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| 00:05.35 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 00:05.50 | Azrael_- | tried to remove a lvm-snapshot with lvremove. now udev uses 100% cpu and is locked. how can i solve this?tried to remove a lvm-snapshot with lvremove. now udev uses 100% cpu and is locked. how can i solve this? |
| 00:06.06 | Azrael_- | sorry for double-copy |
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| 00:07.55 | jhutchins_lt | peterS: Why subtract 2 from the second digit? |
| 00:08.31 | peterS | jhutchins_lt: because the 2 bit in that byte is flipped when converting a MAC to whatever that 64-bit ID is called |
| 00:08.49 | peterS | jhutchins_lt: if the 2 bit is 0, it means the address is locally allocated, if it's 1 it means it's official |
| 00:09.11 | jhutchins_lt | peterS: Hm. I must've had a database that accounted for that. |
| 00:09.53 | peterS | jhutchins_lt: the database I use is /usr/share/wireshark/manuf from the libwireshark-data package |
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| 00:10.07 | jhutchins_lt | peterS: tnx |
| 00:10.27 | peterS | it's for ethernet MAC addresses. and yeah I'm pretty sure the 2 bit on the first byte is always zero in those MAC addresses, so it's always 1 in the equivalent IPv6 suffix |
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| 00:11.59 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose I should learn ipv6 some day. I still think it's going to be obsolete before it's fully deployed. |
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| 00:12.16 | peterS | or maybe not. that file does list some prefixes where the 2 bit of the first byte is set. |
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| 00:14.44 | peterS | hmmm, but only 29 out of 18000+ prefixes violate this rule. so maybe they were just mistakes that someone noticed in the wild and added to the ethereal/wireshark database |
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| 00:27.07 | nameless` | the debian installer ask me if i want to create RAID logical device, is it using mdadm ? |
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| 00:41.42 | gnarface | nameless`: i'm pretty sure, yes |
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| 00:42.01 | gnarface | nameless`: it doesn't say LVM does it? |
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| 00:44.10 | Pavel | Hi. Could somebody with Evolution installed please try to "create" an IMAP account on the server email.psu.edu and see if probing authentication methods works under SSL and TLS? |
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| 00:46.18 | namtorba | Pavel: i know for a fact that psu.edu has fantastic end-user support |
| 00:46.34 | namtorba | Pavel: though i seriously doubt you're allowed to "create" accounts on the fly |
| 00:47.53 | Pavel | namtorba: I mean to add an account in Evolution. You don't need an actual username to check if it can probe authentication methods (Password, Login, GSSAPI, Kerberos, etc.). |
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| 00:53.38 | namtorba | Pavel: oh! |
| 00:53.49 | namtorba | Pavel: i was about to tell my friend you were breaking into his systems! |
| 00:54.14 | namtorba | Pavel: shouldn't it just be IMAP, i doubt your mail client cares about the backend authentication |
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| 00:55.22 | namtorba | Pavel: http://help.gravity.psu.edu/documentation/email/using-evolution.shtml .. not sure if that's what you're looking for |
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| 01:15.06 | sanduz2 | i want something a bit more up to date and a bit less bloated/pre-built than ubuntu but i dont want to have my system break everytime there is an udpate. what distro do you all recommend? i was leaning towards debian wheezy |
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| 01:17.12 | MrFrood | sanduz2: there is a raeson it is called testing |
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| 01:18.43 | sanduz2 | MrFrood, isnt the reason because stuff is more up to date but not stable enough for a server? |
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| 01:18.53 | MrFrood | sanduz2: try squeeze+backports first andd once you are comftable with debain then think about using texting - testing is supported in #debian-next on the oftc server |
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| 01:20.18 | MrFrood | sanduz2: no -also remember no security updates for testing |
| 01:20.29 | sanduz2 | MrFrood, i am pretty comfortable with debian while using ubuntu, i work in the terminal a lot. what do you think debian testing is good for? |
| 01:21.36 | somiaj | sanduz2: its called testing because things break there have been a few grave bugs recentally. But I run sid fine as a deksotp -- what do I loose -- well I have to fix things from time to time when I upgrade, I have to know debian well and I don't have security updates |
| 01:22.02 | somiaj | sanduz2: as a desktop I say do what you want, just if you have to ask 'how do i fix X' for every error you get, you shoudlnt' be running it. |
| 01:22.11 | somiaj | as a server you want the security updates |
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| 01:22.17 | somiaj | and stability of stable |
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| 01:22.58 | somiaj | sanduz2: debian is working on 'debian cut' which will be a rolling release, kinda like testing but with a bit more stablaity and hopefully fewer bugs, but that is still in the development stage as well. |
| 01:23.13 | sanduz2 | somiaj, are the things that break usually a real serious issue? or just minor? and how often do you think it will happen? and how often are updates? youre talking about wheezy right? |
| 01:23.26 | sanduz2 | somiaj, oh that sounds wonderful. |
| 01:23.34 | MrFrood | sanduz2: we have a lot of people come here who jump into testing without the skillbase to deal with stuff when thing break (I'm dreading gnome3 going into testing), if you have the skills and can live without the security updates go for it but I recommend squeeze+backports |
| 01:23.53 | somiaj | sanduz2: sid has taken computers out more than once -- though its been a while since a grave bug has killed many many things, most bugs are recoerable (but not all -- i.e. back up!!) |
| 01:24.10 | somiaj | sanduz2: testing has less grave bugs, but gets fixed slower than sid and takes longer to get secuirty patches. |
| 01:24.36 | spott | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.41 | sanduz2 | damn, im a little intimidated to jump into testing now hehe |
| 01:24.44 | somiaj | sanduz2: in the last month I have had to manually downgrade my xorg server, fix a few minor bugs and some major ones because the nonfree nvidia packages do not work at all with the version of xorg in sid. |
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| 01:25.09 | sanduz2 | somiaj, oh no that sounds very frustrating =\ |
| 01:25.12 | nameless` | i have 4 fresh new HDD, i'd like to use mdadm to create a RAID 5 device, do i need a partition table or anything ? |
| 01:25.15 | somiaj | sanduz2: if you know how to fix things, read the bts, and understand debian package managment and don't mind manually deal with depends conflicts its great |
| 01:25.46 | dvs | nameless`: yup |
| 01:26.04 | nameless` | dvs: how do i create a partition table, with fdisk ? |
| 01:26.12 | dvs | yup |
| 01:26.13 | nameless` | dvs: there is no partition right now |
| 01:26.16 | somiaj | sanduz2: I like the bugs, its fun, exciting and keeps me upto date on how to fix things -- I have ran the sam sid install for about 7-8 years now on my desktop (even switching it to new hardware) and haven't had a single grave bug, but I have had plenty of bugs take out xorg, or other thigns. |
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| 01:27.16 | nameless` | dvs: i want first to use mdadm over my four hdd and then create a filesystem, it's the good way right ? |
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| 01:27.30 | Pavel | namtorba: Tell your friend that they shouldn't disable TLS (leaving SSL in place) on their IMAP server without notice, or they will confuse a lot of people, especially people whose e-mail client has a bug that prevents it from probing for IMAP SSL after having unsuccessfully probed for IMAP TLS, until the client is restarted... |
| 01:28.03 | dvs | nameless`: no, you want to create the filesystem first. |
| 01:28.08 | sanduz2 | somiaj, that was my experience in the past too. xorg always breaking. such a pain |
| 01:28.54 | namtorba | Pavel: wait, you want me to yell at him because Evo is buggy? :) |
| 01:29.03 | somiaj | sanduz2: for the most part you do not need the newest software (unless you want to be a tester, then expect bugs) -- stable + backports the handfull of things you really need newer is the most sane way. |
| 01:30.21 | nameless` | i have to create ont ext3 partition per HDD and then run mdadm over these four partition which will give me a new "virtual" partition /dev/md0 and then splitting this space with LVM and then re-create another ext3 per each LVM volume ? |
| 01:30.25 | nameless` | dvs: ^ |
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| 01:30.43 | sanduz2 | somiaj, thanks i think ill take your advice |
| 01:31.15 | dvs | nameless`: I've never used LWM |
| 01:31.18 | dvs | LVM |
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| 01:35.24 | Pavel | namtorba: No, I want you to yell at him for shutting down services without notice. I'll do the Evo yelling. |
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| 01:36.07 | nameless` | i've got 4x500GB is it better to create 4 500GB partition with one RAID5 unity or another way ? |
| 01:37.51 | dvs | ??? With RAID 5, that would give you a 1TB RAID array with a spare. |
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| 01:39.25 | nameless` | 1.5TB no ? |
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| 01:39.59 | dvs | not with RAID 5 |
| 01:40.02 | nameless` | why ? |
| 01:40.16 | dvs | It's the way RAID 5 works. |
| 01:40.21 | DebianUserMark | can someone help me becuase in xfce I get this message failed to receive a reply from the session manager |
| 01:40.28 | nameless` | RAID5 works with at least 3 hdd, why 4 is a problem ? |
| 01:40.51 | dvs | it's not a problem but it wont be used until something goes wrong. |
| 01:41.20 | nameless` | dvs: hmm can't i choose to have no spare in the configuration file ? |
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| 01:41.30 | nameless` | dvs: so that mdadm fully use my hdd |
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| 01:42.55 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if there's a command line utility which accepts the name of a file as a parameter, and then reports the check sum of that file in the on-line repository? |
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| 01:44.18 | dvs | nameless`: you can try using all four disks but I don't think it'll work. |
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| 01:45.19 | nameless` | dvs: i never heard of such limitation, especially with RAID5, are you sure you are not mixing with another raid ? |
| 01:45.51 | nameless` | as i understand the theory, i really don't get why 4 disks would be of any problem |
| 01:46.03 | dvs | nameless`: give it a try |
| 01:47.35 | nameless` | i see what you mean |
| 01:47.45 | nameless` | "One other oddity to be aware of. You tend to get better write performance when the number of disks in the raid is (a power of 2) + 1, as the parity calculations are more efficient." |
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| 01:57.46 | hoverbear | Hi all, anyone using debian cut? |
| 01:58.06 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:58.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:58.48 | hoverbear | dvs: I just want to chew the spit with someone using debian cut to see if it's what I'm looking for. :-P |
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| 01:58.56 | kingsley | hoverbear: I've used the command line utility named "cut". |
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| 01:59.10 | hoverbear | kingsley: I was referring to http://cut.debian.net/ |
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| 02:04.58 | namtorba | Pavel: not likely .. i'm sure there's a help desk .. i like my friend .. why would i yell at him for a service i don't use anymore :) |
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| 02:06.00 | Pavel | namtorba: For the greater good. |
| 02:08.22 | namtorba | Pavel: there should be a student wiki there somewhere ... |
| 02:12.33 | kingsley | Why would "aptitude download ifupdown" say "E: No downloadable files for ifupdown version 0.6.8+nmu1; perhaps it is a local or obsolete package?" when "apt-cache policy ifupdown" finds an installation candidate, and /etc/apt/sources.list has the line "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz lists the package? |
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| 02:15.20 | namtorba | judd: versions ifupdown |
| 02:15.23 | judd | Package ifupdown on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.8+nmu1; squeeze: 0.6.10; sid: 0.7~alpha5+really0.6.15; wheezy: 0.7~alpha5+really0.6.15; experimental: 0.7~beta1 |
| 02:15.37 | namtorba | kingsley: or your mirror is wonky |
| 02:15.57 | namtorba | kingsley: did you want download or install ? |
| 02:16.32 | kingsley | namtorba: Yes, judd reports the same version for lenny as I expected. |
| 02:16.50 | kingsley | namtorba: I'd like to just download it. |
| 02:17.13 | namtorba | kingsley: tried wget ? |
| 02:17.29 | kingsley | (T ultimately get the checksum of a certain file in it.) |
| 02:17.39 | kingsley | (To ultimately get the checksum of a certain file in it.) |
| 02:17.56 | namtorba | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ifupdown_0.6.8+nmu1_i386.deb |
| 02:18.00 | namtorba | can you get to that? |
| 02:18.01 | kingsley | namtorba: I haven't tried wget. |
| 02:18.01 | i-was-fedora | use apt-get -d install XXX , and it'll be just downloaded |
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| 02:18.32 | kingsley | i-was-fedora: I like your nick |
| 02:18.57 | i-was-fedora | kingsley, everyone do ! |
| 02:19.08 | namtorba | i-was-fedora: his command he was using should do that already .. |
| 02:19.55 | i-was-fedora | namtorba, i know , but i mean to do update and do this one , otherwise :)- |
| 02:20.03 | namtorba | or aptitude --download-only install ifupdown |
| 02:20.08 | kingsley | namtorba: It turns out that I'd like to download several packages to a local directory. I hope a tool exists for lenny, like aptitude, that automatically determines the URL from the package name. |
| 02:20.17 | namtorba | i-was-fedora: there's a spike sticking out of your jaw |
| 02:20.33 | namtorba | kingsley: apt-get --print-uris |
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| 02:20.59 | i-was-fedora | namtorba, how long ?? |
| 02:21.08 | namtorba | i-was-fedora: about - big |
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| 02:21.54 | i-was-fedora | well , it may be just a bug, i'll try fix it later |
| 02:22.24 | kingsley | "aptitude download" seems pretty convenient. Maybe I should try another mirror. |
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| 02:25.42 | gnarface | any ejabberd rockstars in here? i have a weird error about missing sha_drv.so but its looking for it in /usr/local |
| 02:25.50 | gnarface | (its in /usr) |
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| 02:26.51 | Driver | hi all |
| 02:26.53 | somiaj | fix it with a link!! |
| 02:27.19 | gnarface | ugh |
| 02:27.22 | Driver | i have a question: how build 32bit kernel on 64bit machine? |
| 02:27.28 | somiaj | gnarface: its ugly I know....:/ |
| 02:28.00 | somiaj | Driver: what question...yes you can put a 32bit os on a 64bit machine with a 32bit kernel |
| 02:28.18 | kingsley | namtorba: I'm happy to report that a different mirror worked. Thanks for the reality check. |
| 02:28.19 | somiaj | Driver: but you can't use a 32bit kernel to run 64bit binaries, while you can do it the other way |
| 02:28.45 | Driver | i need 32bit kernel for other computer :) |
| 02:28.50 | somiaj | Driver: sorry build -- I would just make a 32bit chroot to build it in, and you should be fine. |
| 02:29.06 | Driver | hmm... ok. i try it |
| 02:29.19 | somiaj | Driver: you could use gcc-multilib but not sure on the details to ensure your build links to the 32bit libs |
| 02:29.37 | Driver | multilib env installed |
| 02:29.43 | somiaj | Driver: you can also ensure the chroot as the same version of the libs you are needing for the other machine...i.e. make the chroot the same os |
| 02:30.03 | Driver | debian testing on both |
| 02:30.14 | somiaj | Driver: I think the chroot will be the easiest, but I have never tried it. debootstrap makes setting up a chroot fairly straight forward. |
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| 02:32.19 | Driver | make-kpkg have options --cross-compile! :) i try it first |
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| 02:34.06 | somiaj | Driver: let me know if it works. |
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| 02:41.34 | holben | occasionally, after booting up, i notice the system is slow. when i check processes with 'top', i find that klogd is using more than 90% of CPU. this problem goes away with reboot. can i kill klogd after boot-up? |
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| 02:42.10 | somiaj | I don't think you want to kill that, you should figure out why it gets buggy |
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| 02:42.51 | holben | occasionally, after booting up, i notice the system is slow. when i check processes with 'top', i find that klogd is using more than 90% of CPU. this problem goes away with reboot. can i kill klogd after boot-up? |
| 02:43.30 | holben | somiaj: how? |
| 02:43.31 | somiaj | holben: you don't want to kill the 'kernel log daemon', you want to figure out why its acting up. Its strange that a reboot fixes it so something must cause it to loop |
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| 02:44.56 | somiaj | holben: I would check your logs and see which kernel log is getting filled up |
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| 02:45.26 | somiaj | holben: /var/log/kern.log (or various other message logs) if you see one filled with lots of warnings that is what klogd is creating |
| 02:45.30 | holben | there is only only kernel log which is kern.log |
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| 02:47.56 | somiaj | holmgren: messages, syslog and dmesg also contain log info from the kernel. But yes that is the first place I would look though |
| 02:48.29 | somiaj | I guess you can kill the klogd without any side effects (except the lack of logs) |
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| 02:59.03 | phenom | Recommendation on VPS service? |
| 02:59.22 | un214 | buy parts from frys |
| 02:59.25 | un214 | ducks |
| 02:59.54 | namtorba | !hosting |
| 02:59.54 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 03:00.00 | namtorba | good luck! |
| 03:00.02 | un214 | in all seriousness I have a very healthy distrust of virtual hosting |
| 03:00.50 | namtorba | then don't answer |
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| 03:01.58 | phenom | I'm currently using a vps service at 8 a month. Great uptime, no problems so far. |
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| 03:21.26 | kingsley | Why would the "cron-apt" command report upgradable packages, when "apt-cache policy <package1> <package2>" says they're already up to date? |
| 03:21.54 | kingsley | Could it have something to do with recently changing the repository in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 03:35.18 | un214 | probably |
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| 03:39.24 | kingsley | un214: Please elaborate. |
| 03:40.13 | un214 | stuff that runs from cron to alert tends to have stale cache issues until next run |
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| 03:42.08 | kingsley | un214: I'l run it again. |
| 03:42.15 | kingsley | un214: I'll run it again. |
| 03:42.40 | un214 | you have to run the cron entry |
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| 03:43.26 | kingsley | un214: Yes, I think I agree. I found the cron entry and copied it to the command line. |
| 03:44.18 | kingsley | Unfortunately, it reported the same contradictions: Two packages to upgrade, with no newer candidates. |
| 03:44.38 | un214 | darn |
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| 03:50.19 | somiaj | kingsley: what is the apt-policy of those two packages? (care to paste the output) |
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| 03:52.18 | kingsley | somiaj: If you can please elaborate a little on what "apt-policy" is, I'll try to answer your question. |
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| 03:54.29 | becker_11 | Hi I'm about to move from 32 bit to 64 bit and I'm wondering if there's a way to get a txt file listing of all the installed programs on my system. just for reference not neccasarily going to reinstall everything I just want to have a history |
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| 03:55.52 | gnarface | becker_11: there IS |
| 03:56.12 | gnarface | becker_11: i can't remember it off the top of my head but i think it starts with "dpkg-" |
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| 03:57.00 | gusnan | becker_11, dpkg --get-selections > file_that_gets_the_list.txt |
| 03:57.38 | gnarface | becker_11: ah yes this is what i was thinking of ^^^ |
| 03:57.40 | becker_11 | gnarface: yeah I know that feeling I have actually used it before just can't remember it |
| 03:57.46 | becker_11 | gusnan: thanks |
| 03:58.12 | gusnan | becker_11, np |
| 03:59.13 | becker_11 | awesome I must remember to put that on my blog later so I have it for next time |
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| 04:00.22 | gusnan | becker_11, great - dont forget to mention me *kidding* |
| 04:00.40 | somiaj | kingsley: sorry apt-cache policy <pkg1> <pkg2> -- I consildate it for some reason in my head. :( |
| 04:01.57 | becker_11 | gusnan: no prob should that be little g or big G in gusnan lol |
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| 04:02.31 | gnarface | i really need some help from an ejabberd+erlang pro right now |
| 04:02.45 | gnarface | the debian squeeze package is really failing on me but i don't know how to read these errors |
| 04:03.40 | becker_11 | gotta go my buddy just turned up thanks for your help ppl |
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| 04:03.51 | kingsley | somiaj: Oh, OK. |
| 04:03.57 | kingsley | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/ZGAXAf4C |
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| 04:05.00 | kingsley | somiaj: It seems to me that both packages are already up to date. |
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| 04:06.57 | somiaj | agreed, just figured I'd be a second pair of eyes to see if I saw anything amis |
| 04:08.16 | kingsley | somiaj: OK. Thanks for the reality check. |
| 04:08.18 | somiaj | kingsley: I see, its because there is really an openssl-<ver>-lenny12 on security |
| 04:08.48 | kingsley | somiaj: Wow! |
| 04:08.51 | somiaj | kingsley: due to the recent exploits, anyways you don't have security sorces or even stable sources for those pacakges. The only sources your computer sees is /var/lib/dpkg/status (the installed version) |
| 04:09.15 | somiaj | kingsley: my guess is apt-cron isn't nesicrally using your sources to determine updates, and its saying there are secruity updates. |
| 04:09.19 | somiaj | so check your sources, run apt-get update |
| 04:09.23 | kingsley | somiaj: Where can I see the 12th version? |
| 04:09.40 | somiaj | I just checked the version on my lenny box |
| 04:09.51 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openssl |
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| 04:11.25 | kingsley | somiaj: Do you suppose my /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/security.sources.list may need a different line? |
| 04:11.34 | somiaj | kingsley: what was missing from your policy output was any online source for the package. You should have seen a line like http://paste.debian.net/130106/ |
| 04:12.04 | somiaj | if you updated, then yes there is probabaly an issue in your sources |
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| 04:12.26 | somiaj | I didn't know apt read /etc/apt/security.sources.list -- I thought stuff like that was put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 04:12.42 | somiaj | kingsley: I just use a single sources.list file myself. |
| 04:12.54 | somiaj | but I don't have special requirements outside of debian repos |
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| 04:13.25 | kingsley | somiaj: I think my corn-apt is configured to look in /etc/apt/security.sources.list. |
| 04:13.34 | kingsley | s/corn/cron/ |
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| 04:22.00 | kingsley | somiaj: After experimenting with various lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/security.sources.list, my "apt-cache policy <package> still doesn't report the 12th version. |
| 04:22.33 | somiaj | give me the output of your sources.list |
| 04:22.44 | kingsley | somiaj: If I asked you nicely, would you please tell me what "deb" line or lines is or are in your file named /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:22.46 | somiaj | also you did run apt-get update -- did you notice anything in that |
| 04:23.29 | kingsley | somiaj: Yes, I ran "aptitude update", which I believe serves the same purpose. |
| 04:23.36 | somiaj | correct |
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| 04:25.16 | onthesub | hi |
| 04:25.36 | onthesub | i have three sound ports on my computer |
| 04:25.46 | onthesub | speakers, line in, mic in |
| 04:26.13 | onthesub | is it possible to duplicate the speaker audio and route it through the line in slot to my headphones in linux? |
| 04:26.15 | kingsley | somiaj: My sources.list contains "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free". |
| 04:26.34 | onthesub | i know the drivers for this card allow me to do it in windows |
| 04:26.53 | somiaj | onthesub: that would be dependent on the sound card driver in linux. What module is running, you can go start to look up options for that module |
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| 04:27.18 | somiaj | kingsley: is that the whole file? |
| 04:27.20 | Driver | onthesub man asound.conf |
| 04:27.48 | somiaj | kingsley: add a security line, "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 04:28.02 | kingsley | onthesub: You might also run a mixer program, and see if that can send output where you want it. You may just have to turn up the volume in a certain channel. |
| 04:28.04 | onthesub | no man entry. i'm on ubuntu instead of debian unfortunately |
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| 04:29.25 | Driver | google it. |
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| 04:29.45 | Driver | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc |
| 04:29.55 | kingsley | somiaj: I already have "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/security.sources.list. |
| 04:30.07 | peterrooney | the manual page for find (particularly, -newerXY) is a headache. |
| 04:30.52 | somiaj | kingsley: your apt-policy shows you aren't seeing the security update. As I said I am unsure if apt/aptitude honor that file, so just add that to your main sources.list file, update and see if you can see the newversions |
| 04:31.24 | somiaj | kingsley: arg apt-cache --- I think I"m to tired...:D |
| 04:32.03 | kingsley | somiaj: Indeed, adding "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list allowed "apt-cache policy" to see the 12th update. |
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| 04:37.55 | kingsley | somiaj: I'm happy to report that your fine suggestion of adding that line to /etc/apt/sources.list seems to have allowed me to upgrade the packages and stop cron-apt from complaining. |
| 04:38.02 | kingsley | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 04:38.32 | somiaj | I'm glad that cron-apt is smart enough to see around a missconfiguration. (: |
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| 04:51.50 | balleyne | Apache hasn't come back up from a restart, when I /etc/init.d/apache2 stop is says it's not running, same with /etc/init.d/apache2 status, yet I can see apache2 taking up 100% of my CPU... I killall apache2, but happens again whenever I restart... |
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| 05:00.14 | itsnotabigtruck | 'sup, anyone know the most proper way to zeroize the root partition of a live system |
| 05:00.43 | wols_ | dd if=/dev/zero of=.... |
| 05:01.01 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. if i go into single user mode, can i just wipe /dev/whatever, or will it die halfway through because it wanted to load some library |
| 05:01.23 | wols_ | not even a need for single user mode |
| 05:01.53 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i don't want something writing to a filesystem that's in the process of being obliterated |
| 05:02.06 | itsnotabigtruck | and i can't umount it first because that will umount bash, wipe, etc too |
| 05:02.21 | spott | Hello, I'm trying to connect a radio modem to a debian box, via ax.25. I know the modem works, I can connect to it with the serial port, but when I try kissattach and axlisten, it doesn't display anything the modem is receiving. I'm running squeeze, fresh install a few days ago. Anyone familiar with linux and ax.25, that could help me sort this? |
| 05:02.29 | wols_ | remount it ro then maybe |
| 05:02.31 | itsnotabigtruck | (this is a vps, so doing it offline is complicated at best) |
| 05:02.35 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, good idea |
| 05:03.07 | itsnotabigtruck | go read only, wipe, deprovision |
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| 05:03.43 | itsnotabigtruck | spott: hmm, so you know you can communicate with the device via serial? (sounds like it) |
| 05:04.02 | itsnotabigtruck | i doubt there's anyone else here familiar with that particular protocol |
| 05:04.05 | gnarface | spott: hey man. still looking huh? i still don't know crap about it but i'm curious if this howto has anything you haven't tried: http://pakettiradio.net/debian_ax25_mini-howto/ |
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| 05:05.00 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, ax.25 sounds pretty cool |
| 05:05.04 | neoice | I'm playing with mandatory access controls in Debian and I've discovered /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime. I've yet to actually see files in /var/lib/php5 though... is this script really needed? |
| 05:06.13 | itsnotabigtruck | neoice: hmm, which MAC framework? |
| 05:06.20 | neoice | grsecurity |
| 05:06.35 | spott | gnar: nice, hadn't found that one yet. it's got some points I hadn't seen before. I'll play with it some more tomorrow, and see if I can get it working. |
| 05:06.45 | gnarface | spott: good luck |
| 05:07.09 | neoice | I've got a really nice policy but the cron jobs are a pain because they nest so heavily: cron->dash->run-parts->dash->$script->other |
| 05:07.45 | neoice | seems like I should be getting write errors for /var/lib/php5 if it's actually important. |
| 05:07.56 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently it cleans out old php sessions |
| 05:08.13 | itsnotabigtruck | and is run as a cron job |
| 05:08.14 | neoice | indeed, but I've yet to figure out how exactly these sessions get created. |
| 05:08.23 | neoice | php is great, isnt it? |
| 05:08.25 | itsnotabigtruck | php scripts that use the sessions api? |
| 05:08.52 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe try making a test app that uses sessions heavily, hit it for a while, and see what comes up |
| 05:09.06 | gnarface | neoice: without customization they should be created as files in /tmp |
| 05:09.23 | gnarface | neoice: i believe files in data owned by www-data |
| 05:09.31 | gnarface | neoice: er, files in debian i mean |
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| 05:10.01 | neoice | gnarface: so Debian's php5 creates sessions in /tmp but still ships with a script to clean up sessions from somewhere else... |
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| 05:10.36 | gnarface | neoice: for some reason giving apache the ability to delete them too is seen as a security hazard by debian so garbage collection is managed by a cron job separately. i know that is a debian-specific customization of upstream defaults |
| 05:11.27 | gnarface | neoice: it might have something to do with the fact that for the way php normally works, garbage collection can only happen as a sideffect of hits to the web page. with the cron job sessions can get cleaned up even if traffic suddenly goes dead after a lot of them stacked up |
| 05:12.06 | neoice | what if php is running as cgi, does that effect gc? |
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| 05:12.21 | neoice | it seems like the "garbage" dies with each CGI process |
| 05:12.32 | gnarface | neoice: no, other than making it slower |
| 05:12.37 | gnarface | neoice: keep an eye on your /tmp dir |
| 05:12.59 | neoice | I just did a grep -r on etc and I can't even find references to /var/lib/php5. |
| 05:13.00 | gnarface | neoice: you actually have to *use* the $_SESSION superglobal of course for it to do anything |
| 05:13.27 | gnarface | neoice: if you have replaced your php.ini with a custom one of your own or a stock one from upstream you probably blasted it right out. |
| 05:14.09 | gnarface | neoice: the behavior requires a cron script in /etc as well as a specific line in your php.ini that is only present in the one debian packages. i'd recommend doing some sort of diff merge of your custom php.ini with the stock debian one |
| 05:14.26 | neoice | gnarface: I've only ever changed a few values in stock debian php.ini. I've never seen php session stuff in /tmp either so I'm guessing my code doesnt use sessions |
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| 05:15.34 | gnarface | neoice: if you made the code yourself, it would be pretty obvious. if you didn't, you could grep for any functions named "session_[a-zA-Z]+" or the superglobal $_SESSION |
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| 05:16.22 | gnarface | neoice: however it depends on the project. flat file serialized sessions in /tmp are only the default storage method and location. its possible to extend the session features to store them in other ways, like in memcache or in a database table |
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| 05:17.20 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like shred -vzn 2 /dev/xvd# ought to do the trick < for zeroizing my drive |
| 05:17.27 | gnarface | neoice: also note that certain frameworks such as zend completely re-implement and override the system-level php.ini with their own config file that is parsed every request and overwrites all the php.ini stuff transparently |
| 05:17.32 | itsnotabigtruck | thanks wols_! |
| 05:18.00 | neoice | too bad I can't move my wife off of wordpress. |
| 05:18.09 | neoice | thanks for all the insight |
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| 05:18.22 | gnarface | neoice: good luck. yea wordpress is a horrible abomination |
| 05:18.23 | itsnotabigtruck | btw consider using php5-fpm and nginx if you aren't already |
| 05:18.28 | itsnotabigtruck | so you can make that wordpress super fast, heh |
| 05:18.40 | neoice | php5-cgi + fcgi + apache2 |
| 05:18.42 | gnarface | neoice: there are worse though. stay FAAAR away from joomla. that thing is pure evil |
| 05:18.50 | neoice | I use a lot of crazy apache2 features |
| 05:19.13 | itsnotabigtruck | why use fcgi when with apache you can use mod_php? (is it faster that way?) |
| 05:19.32 | neoice | itsnotabigtruck: mod_php doesnt work with mpm-worker. |
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| 05:19.39 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, fair enough |
| 05:19.51 | gnarface | php is so embarrassing |
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| 05:20.03 | itsnotabigtruck | i think php5-fpm has an fcgi interface so you can probably use that |
| 05:20.13 | sammi` | ruby is so promising? |
| 05:20.14 | neoice | "What is PHP-FPM? PHP-FPM (FastCGI Process Manager) is an alternative PHP FastCGI implementation " |
| 05:20.21 | itsnotabigtruck | yup lol |
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| 05:20.29 | gnarface | sammi`: if they ever fix the horrible performance problems it will take the world by storm |
| 05:20.35 | itsnotabigtruck | so that was kinda redundant, wasn't it |
| 05:20.38 | neoice | CGI is where it's at. |
| 05:20.43 | neoice | I mostly run Django |
| 05:20.49 | itsnotabigtruck | basically it moves the fcgi into php core |
| 05:21.01 | itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, ruby is horrible on performance and ram |
| 05:21.12 | itsnotabigtruck | and rubygems doesn't play nice with any distro |
| 05:21.18 | gnarface | but it is thread safe! |
| 05:21.21 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's a neat language |
| 05:21.26 | neoice | eh. |
| 05:21.41 | itsnotabigtruck | if it didn't have that going for it, no one would use it |
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| 05:21.53 | gnarface | itsnotabigtruck: haha probably true unfortunately |
| 05:21.54 | neoice | people use php. |
| 05:22.15 | itsnotabigtruck | people use php because it was around early on and every web host ever supports it |
| 05:22.28 | itsnotabigtruck | good luck trying to use anything /other than/ php on your typical shared hosting provider |
| 05:22.45 | itsnotabigtruck | maaaaybe you can set up some cgi scripts |
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| 05:23.14 | itsnotabigtruck | but you can forget about ruby/fancy python frameworks/etc. |
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| 05:24.02 | neoice | so many cronjobs that need security policy... |
| 05:24.48 | neoice | and postfix. why can't there be a simple, monolithic MTA? noooo, we need 2 dozen binaries to send and recieve mail! |
| 05:25.23 | itsnotabigtruck | i know rite :p though smtp is an anachronistic protocol, with anachronistic software to match |
| 05:25.28 | itsnotabigtruck | unfortunately it's not about to go way any time soon |
| 05:25.55 | neoice | actually, how is the default exim4 config these days if all I need is to send as user@host |
| 05:26.14 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, later guys |
| 05:26.17 | itsnotabigtruck | good luck on your mac |
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| 05:29.45 | msshams | i add this line in crontab with crontab -e: "*/5 * * * * app cd /var/www/reop && git pull" but doesn't run :( can anyone help me to fix that please? |
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| 05:33.32 | Mneumonic | msshams did you try remove that weird square thing with the oo ic stuff in it |
| 05:33.34 | Mneumonic | before git |
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| 05:33.44 | Mneumonic | that doen't seem like something that should be there but i could be wrong |
| 05:34.51 | gnarface | |
| 05:34.52 | gnarface | hmm |
| 05:34.56 | Mneumonic | yea that thing |
| 05:35.02 | gnarface | what character is that supposed to be? |
| 05:35.08 | Mneumonic | no idea |
| 05:35.10 | Mneumonic | first i've seen it |
| 05:35.24 | gnarface | well it looks like it got broken when he pasted it into the client |
| 05:35.41 | gnarface | but that probably suggests it doesn't belong in the script |
| 05:35.45 | gnarface | unless its just a newline |
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| 05:36.13 | gnarface | then maybe its fine (but i don't know why you'd want to confuse matters by putting newlines in your crons) |
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| 05:52.43 | monkeyboy | hi guys |
| 05:53.28 | monkeyboy | i am using wicd to try to connect to my wpa2 wireless ap. the logs show wpa supplicant failing to authenticate and my thinking is the wpa encryption templates are messed up. |
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| 05:53.53 | monkeyboy | anyone using wicd on deb 6 successfully with wpa2 encrything wireless? was hoping to share notes |
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| 05:59.45 | Mneumonic | I have used it in a debian Netinstall |
| 05:59.55 | Mneumonic | I just installed it and restarted and then connected |
| 05:59.57 | Mneumonic | no problems |
| 06:00.10 | Mneumonic | what wireless card do you have |
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| 06:04.37 | kingsley | Why would files be moved to new inodes for no apparent reason? |
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| 06:06.21 | Bushmills | non-apparent reasons are apparent reasons once known |
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| 06:08.22 | kingsley | Which package, if any, lets you "text" to and from someone's cell phone? |
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| 06:13.57 | somiaj | like sms messages? I see an smsclient and a few other sms packages |
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| 06:14.25 | kingsley | somiaj: Yes, like sms messages. |
| 06:14.35 | mfridh | kingsley: gammu, gnokii comes to mind |
| 06:14.54 | kingsley | somiaj: It seems to me that "sms" and "gateway" may be key words. |
| 06:15.24 | somiaj | use apt-cache search though the packages, try a few out. My suggestion. |
| 06:16.01 | kingsley | wonders how the cell phone's owner might reply. |
| 06:17.50 | mfridh | gammu, gnokii. I've used gnokii both at work and at home for sending and receiving sms alerts |
| 06:19.12 | kingsley | For what it's worth, Wikipedia has a list of email to sms gateways for various cell service vendors at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways |
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| 06:22.09 | kingsley | mfridh: Do you happen to know how to tell which service plan (like AT&T or Verizon) is used by a given cell phone number? |
| 06:22.23 | mooperd | Hi debianers. How efficiently coded is bridge-utils do you think? Could it manage a 10Gbit/s tcp stream on a normal computer? |
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| 06:23.16 | mfridh | kingsley: I don't think you can tell in any way? or perhaps you Americans can't port your number between providers? (I've had the same number for 8 years on 4 different providers) |
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| 06:23.29 | mooperd | We are wondering if we should use it in our high performance computing environment to bridge Infiniband and 10GE |
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| 06:25.30 | ujjain | Does Debian have a program that remembers SSH key passwords until reboot? |
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| 06:29.31 | mfridh | ujjain: ssh-agent |
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| 06:33.09 | ujjain | I tried that, it seems ok, but how can I make it run at boot time? |
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| 07:00.53 | julian3387 | morning |
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| 07:23.28 | Driver | somiaj make-kpkg with --cross-compile good build but package builded for amd64 :( |
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| 07:25.37 | somiaj | Driver: :( |
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| 07:29.04 | Driver | i build that package and just extract on laptop :) |
| 07:29.40 | Driver | create initram, edit grub.cfg and reboot =) |
| 07:29.48 | Driver | worked :) |
| 07:30.02 | somiaj | Driver: so the kernel is actually 32 bit? Must not be setup to change the arch of the package since it was built on a 64bit system it just uses that as the default tag. |
| 07:30.10 | Driver | yes |
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| 07:31.17 | somiaj | Driver: check /path/to/src/debian/control file |
| 07:31.36 | Driver | in control amd64 |
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| 07:31.53 | somiaj | Driver: bet ya the arch is setup there, might be able to just change that to i386 |
| 07:31.57 | somiaj | before you compile |
| 07:32.11 | somiaj | though not sure if make-kpkg will regenerate that file |
| 07:32.19 | Driver | maybe :) |
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| 07:45.16 | balboah | when I've changed /etc/security/limits.conf, how do I read this value without rebooting? |
| 07:47.42 | wols_ | log out and back in maybe? |
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| 07:50.13 | balboah | it's for a daemon and it didn't update when restarted |
| 07:50.37 | balboah | either that or a missconfiguration, but it hit the max file open limit again |
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| 07:54.05 | ompaul | balboah: what syntax did you use for that daemon |
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| 07:54.49 | ompaul | once an application/daemon restarts it should pick up the new value aiui |
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| 07:55.28 | balboah | right now limits.conf has: * hard nofile 65535 |
| 07:55.31 | balboah | same for soft |
| 07:55.54 | ompaul | put the daemon name in in front in place of * |
| 07:56.21 | balboah | ok, but wouldn't that rule apply to all? |
| 07:56.29 | ompaul | in theory |
| 07:56.44 | ompaul | however I see examples of using explicit limits |
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| 07:57.36 | balboah | can I verify that value before waiting for the server to hit the limit? |
| 07:58.30 | ompaul | you can find out the limits can't remember how been a long time since I set limits at all (4 years) |
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| 08:00.49 | ompaul | balboah: what's the daemon? |
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| 08:01.39 | balboah | mongodb, I can't even figure out how to run a normal shell command as its user right now. su -c "whoami" - mongodb outputs nothing |
| 08:01.47 | balboah | perhaps it's too early in the morning |
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| 08:23.02 | herkupus | balboah: you can verify the limits by looking at /proc/PID/limits |
| 08:24.15 | balboah | then it didn't work. |
| 08:24.49 | balboah | but I read that it only applies to pam aware daemons, perhaps mongodb isn't one of these |
| 08:25.03 | herkupus | balboah: limits.conf is read by pam_limits.so, are you sure this pam module is used when the daemon is started? |
| 08:25.25 | gnarface | you know what i know this is off topic but i wish every irc channel was as awesome as you #debian |
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| 08:29.53 | herkupus | balboah: if mongodb is pam aware, it must be linked against libpam. you can check with ldd. |
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| 08:30.13 | felidae | is the lenny testing repo the same as the squeeze stable repo? |
| 08:30.26 | felidae | i'm not familiar with debian and my hosting provider only offers deb 5 |
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| 08:32.10 | wols_ | felidae: no. lenny is the old version 5 of debian, squeeze is debian 6 and the current stable release |
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| 08:32.37 | gnarface | felidae: for a cosmic microsecond, they were the same thing. in no case should you be using lenny anything anymore though. upgrade or face your DOOM! |
| 08:32.57 | balboah | herkupus: I guess it's not |
| 08:33.14 | balboah | I'll try some ulimit in startup script hack |
| 08:33.15 | wols_ | felidae: ignore gnarface. however you should not use lenny for new installations or new contracts. lenny support expires in february |
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| 08:33.23 | felidae | i'm aware of the distinction. however due to issues around openvz and debian 6 the hosting provider won't support debian 6 |
| 08:33.32 | felidae | its a VPS |
| 08:33.49 | wols_ | then ask them what they will do when lenny security support expires |
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| 08:34.02 | gnarface | lol |
| 08:34.09 | wols_ | and what issues are there? |
| 08:34.10 | gnarface | yea ask that, it should be entertaining |
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| 08:34.31 | felidae | the issues has to do with "insserv: warning: script 'vzquota' missing LSB tags and overrides" errors whenever i run apt-get |
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| 08:34.50 | wols_ | that is a simple edit. /msg dpkg lsb tags |
| 08:35.02 | bocaneri | when does lenny expire? |
| 08:35.07 | gnarface | felidae: just out of curiosity (feel free not to answer this) how much are you paying these yayhoos? |
| 08:35.17 | wols_ | bocaneri: as I said: february |
| 08:35.20 | felidae | $10/mo |
| 08:35.31 | bocaneri | So soon? Blean. |
| 08:35.41 | felidae | i only signed up recently though, because of problems with my last hosting solution |
| 08:35.44 | wols_ | as always: one year after the next stable version is released |
| 08:35.48 | felidae | as in, this is my first month |
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| 08:37.15 | felidae | my understanding of the problem has to do with openvz containers and the fact that some scripts in aren't LSB compliant and fail in debian 6 |
| 08:37.52 | ironmunk | when I join a node to my puppet master, it uses what it believes is it's fqdn is there a way I can specify when I do the first puppet agent --test to generate a certificate with a certain hostname? |
| 08:38.15 | sacredchao | I get these Python errors when I try to run the application "Nicotine": |
| 08:38.15 | sacredchao | http://pastebin.com/tYnqKuP6 |
| 08:38.17 | wols_ | and you simply add 2-3 lines to the offending script and it's fixed. I'm pretty sure there are howtos available via google by now |
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| 08:38.41 | gnarface | felidae: the problem has to do with the fact your data center goons are monkeys. |
| 08:39.11 | gnarface | felidae: for only 10$ a month though you can always expect corners to be cut heaviliy somewhere |
| 08:39.15 | felidae | yeah i've established that already |
| 08:39.19 | ironmunk | opps wrong channel |
| 08:39.47 | felidae | yeah but i'm not paying for much |
| 08:40.08 | wols_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=vzquota+lsb+tag |
| 08:40.10 | felidae | 512mb ram, 20gb hdd, 100mbit |
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| 08:40.32 | gnarface | what's the bandwidth cap? |
| 08:40.36 | felidae | unmetered |
| 08:40.40 | felidae | which is the key |
| 08:40.44 | gnarface | undisclosed, is more like it |
| 08:40.51 | felidae | well, technically its 10TB |
| 08:41.04 | wols_ | felidae, gnarface: #webhostingtalk |
| 08:41.09 | kuznetzvo-afk | ^ |
| 08:41.19 | gnarface | i'd better not |
| 08:41.22 | felidae | lol |
| 08:41.29 | ompaul | hehe |
| 08:42.15 | felidae | k well what the hell i'm going to try fixing these scripts by hand, hopefully it work |
| 08:42.16 | felidae | s |
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| 08:42.47 | gnarface | it should i would think. but openvz i don't know anything about. isn't that a commercial solution? |
| 08:43.26 | felidae | i don't know anything about it either. learning is fun! |
| 08:43.26 | wols_ | felidae: it's been solved for over a year now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594783 |
| 08:43.39 | felidae | i know, unfortunately i don't run the datacentre it's hosted in |
| 08:43.44 | wols_ | gnarface: no. virtuozzo is |
| 08:44.21 | gnarface | wols_: isn't xen supposed to get around all of such nonsense? |
| 08:44.58 | wols_ | no again. please keep to debian support and learn what virtualization is elsewhere. thank you |
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| 08:45.39 | gnarface | wow, buzzkill |
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| 08:46.41 | gnarface | wols_: what i meant to say was, xen is supported in debian, and generally gets around such nonsense. |
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| 08:47.02 | gnarface | wols_: maybe YOU should learn what virtualization is |
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| 08:48.17 | felidae | what's the best way to remove apache? "apt-get remove apache" complains that apache is a virtual package |
| 08:48.47 | wols_ | your ignorance is showing. please learn what operating system level virtualization is vs. virtal machines or paravirtualization |
| 08:49.02 | wols_ | felidae: remove the apache2.2-common package |
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| 08:49.57 | gnarface | wols_: you really think i don't know the difference between a vhosts that piggyback on the host kernel and ones that run inside a sandbox? bite me |
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| 08:50.20 | gnarface | wols_: but i only know debian, so what i don't know is openvz. what the hell is your problem tonight? |
| 08:50.38 | wols_ | gnarface: do you have a debian support problem? |
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| 08:50.52 | felidae | should i `apt-get autoremove' after, to remove unwanted dependancies? |
| 08:51.06 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.16 | ompaul | cos it is pointless |
| 08:51.44 | gnarface | wols_: yea actually. ejabberd in squeeze is giving me a lot of trouble but i'm having trouble identifying missing components. i just had to fix a shm_drv.so issue with a symlink because i can't for the life of me figure out why its looking in /usr/local for it |
| 08:52.14 | gnarface | wols_: got any help for that or just snarky commments that suggest you assume everyone who knows less than you at something knows nothing at all? |
| 08:52.50 | felidae | so removing apache2.2-common doesn't remove apache2-*, is there a single command to remove groups of packages? |
| 08:52.51 | wols_ | gnarface: please do a proper problem description so someone might be able to help you |
| 08:53.08 | wols_ | it is tiring to have to ask basic questions like "what is the error message" and such |
| 08:53.28 | wols_ | felidae: why wouldn't it remove these packages? what is left? |
| 08:53.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a special switch I can use in stable to dl the non-free drivers ? |
| 08:53.44 | wols_ | IIRC all apache* packages depend on apache2.2-common |
| 08:53.49 | felidae | apache2-doc apache2-utils apache2.2-bin |
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| 08:54.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | I notitced on an install that It said it couldnt find a drive for oen component but it didnt say plaininly which one, just the driver name.. that I had no clue what it was. |
| 08:54.16 | wols_ | Eryn_1983_FL: which non-free drivers? you can add non-free /msg dpkg non-free and then install non-free packages like any other |
| 08:54.30 | wols_ | !tell felidae about bat |
| 08:54.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 08:54.43 | gnarface | i've already asked a couple times. i asked in #ejabberd too. nobody seems to know shit or they at least won't admit it. google tells me the devs have just been telling people to upgrade with their source package rather than explain why the debian one was released, broken |
| 08:54.59 | wols_ | Eryn_1983_FL: debian doesn't say it can't find a driver for something. at most it says it can't find a firmware for it |
| 08:55.10 | wols_ | ,version ejabberd |
| 08:55.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | could of been that.. |
| 08:55.15 | gnarface | 2.1.5 |
| 08:55.15 | wols_ | ,versions ejabberd |
| 08:55.18 | judd | Package ejabberd on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.1-6+lenny2; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.0.1-6+lenny3; lenny-security: 2.0.1-6+lenny3; squeeze: 2.1.5-3; lenny-backports: 2.1.5-3+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.1.5-3+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.1.6-2.1; sid: 2.1.8-1 |
| 08:55.28 | wols_ | !tell gnarface about errors |
| 08:55.29 | gnarface | 2.1.6 is purpordely fixed |
| 08:55.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i will see it again once I do it today.. and check it out |
| 08:55.37 | gnarface | wols_: i've read it don't be a tick |
| 08:55.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 08:56.16 | gnarface | wols_: i'm looking for a link to the error |
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| 08:59.22 | wols_ | bts doesn't seem to know about it |
| 08:59.50 | gnarface | sha_drv.so |
| 09:00.13 | gnarface | it looks for it in anywhere but /usr/lib/ejabberd |
| 09:00.41 | gnarface | it exists here: /usr/lib/ejabberd/priv/lib/sha_drv.so |
| 09:00.55 | gnarface | my copy (stock debian install mind you_ was looking here: /usr/local/lib/ejabberd/priv/lib/sha_drv.so |
| 09:00.59 | gnarface | so i fixed with symlink finally |
| 09:01.16 | gnarface | google shows it coming up in all kinds of wrong places, but i think some of those guys compiled from source |
| 09:01.32 | gnarface | the question is how to manually tell it where to look, rather than doing a cheesy symlink hack |
| 09:01.48 | gnarface | hang on i will get the bug for you. its still unclassified or unreproducable or whatever |
| 09:02.49 | gnarface | wols_: its the top one on the list "freshly installed ejabberd fails to start" |
| 09:02.52 | gnarface | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516718 |
| 09:03.05 | gnarface | nobody seems to agree on a proper fix or even the actual cause |
| 09:03.11 | gnarface | i got the symlink idea from a gentoo user |
| 09:03.16 | gnarface | tragic huh? |
| 09:03.30 | dracmas | I just want clarification of lb build (live-build tool). Everytime I want to tweak the settings and redo the command does it have to download the base and applications every time? |
| 09:04.03 | gnarface | wols_: i did try the "ERLANG_NODE=ejabberd" thing and a couple of other things. they don't make any difference for me |
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| 09:06.01 | wols_ | this bug report is a catch all. there are about half a dozen different reasons why it doesn't start, and they are all in this single bug :( |
| 09:06.19 | gnarface | wols_: oh the missing info that i got from some other forum that's not actually posted in that bug report is that the sha_drv.so error only appears if you start ejabbered in live mode with "/etc/init.d/ejabberd live" instead of /etc/init.d/ejabberd start |
| 09:07.07 | gnarface | wols_: otherwise ya... the logs are depressingly uniform in their error reports. which on its own is impressive since the error messages look like whole serialized object dumps rather than just one-line text messages |
| 09:07.36 | gnarface | wols_: you'd think with that much verbosity at least you'd be able to see shit coming ahead of time |
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| 09:07.55 | wols_ | pdo doesn't know shm_drv or sha_drv. a file with this name is not in debian |
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| 09:08.48 | gnarface | wols_: that's depressing because according to apt-file, its in ejabberd 2.1.5-3+squeeze1 |
| 09:08.52 | gnarface | what is pdo? |
| 09:09.04 | gnarface | wols: |
| 09:09.06 | gnarface | root@xmpp1:/# apt-file search sha_drv.so |
| 09:09.06 | gnarface | ejabberd: /usr/lib/ejabberd/priv/lib/sha_drv.so |
| 09:09.13 | wols_ | !pdo |
| 09:09.13 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:09.18 | gnarface | i swear i did not compile this bullshit myself |
| 09:09.33 | gnarface | haha pdo pretty damned obvious |
| 09:09.38 | gnarface | even though its not, that's funny |
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| 09:11.06 | gnarface | wols_: any idea how i'd find out when the planned release date of 2.1.6 was from weezy->squeeze (if there was one) without emailing the developers directly? they're not even as nice to me as you are |
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| 09:11.26 | gnarface | (they won't even respond with snarky comments, they just ignore me) |
| 09:12.32 | wols_ | http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 09:12.52 | wols_ | or what do you mean? squeeze will never ever get a 2.1.6 release. |
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| 09:13.10 | wols_ | your best workaround is to backport ejabberd from wheezy |
| 09:13.26 | gnarface | wols_: oh really? that's like against policy? |
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| 09:14.31 | wols_ | stable is stable. it only gets security updates and very very rarely fixes for really really serious bugs. but those fixes are so rare they basically don't exist |
| 09:14.35 | gnarface | wols_: i actually didn't know that. i figured if 2.1.5 and 2.1.6 were similar in every way except that 2.1.5 was so horribly broken the actual upstream developers won't even speak of it, they'd just move the wheezy version down. i guess that's me showing my ignorance for real this time |
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| 09:15.18 | gnarface | wols_: so you are effectively saying what they are saying, make my own or download someone else's 2.1.6? |
| 09:15.26 | wols_ | !ssb |
| 09:15.27 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 09:15.32 | wols_ | it should be easy and quick... |
| 09:16.16 | gnarface | well there are some patches they want applied to it so it was the eventual plan |
| 09:16.29 | gnarface | i was just hoping to be able to get this version actually *functional* as a test case before it got crazy |
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| 09:17.13 | wols_ | are your patches for 2.1.5 or 2.1.6? |
| 09:17.13 | gnarface | wols_: well that explains why this is so frustrating. thanks for being helpful, in spite of our clear hatred for each other |
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| 09:18.08 | gnarface | wols_: they were actually for an older version but they have been successfully applied to 2.1.6 in an ancient outdated centos 5.5 environment |
| 09:18.22 | gnarface | wols_: so they're very simple things |
| 09:18.42 | gnarface | wols_: more stylistic preferences than actual new features |
| 09:18.48 | eviltoaster | What was the name of that paper strip with hole in...bill gate used it for progamming.. i forgot :) |
| 09:19.13 | petemc | punch cards? |
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| 09:20.04 | eviltoaster | petemc, yes ... paper strip + hole + programming worked on google ^^ |
| 09:21.32 | gnarface | wols_: if this bug #516718 gets the right classification someone might add a patch to fix the problem right? |
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| 09:22.22 | gnarface | wols_: that would be as good as getting 2.1.6 as far as i'm concerned. this is the only notable difference between the two |
| 09:22.32 | gnarface | at least for our purposes |
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| 09:28.28 | gnarface | wow i think i liked wols_ better when he was insulting and demeaning |
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| 09:35.48 | colo-work | tt, hi Thomas :D ist ja lustig, dass ich dich hier treffe |
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| 09:37.18 | gnarface | hi Thomas. i'm sorry but i do not speak german very well. its uh... merry to meet you here too though. |
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| 09:37.58 | jpinx-away | !english |
| 09:37.58 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope). |
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| 09:39.44 | gnarface | colo-work: der deutsche Kanal ist #debian.de |
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| 09:41.14 | gnarface | colo-work: sprechen Sie Englisch? |
| 09:41.49 | colo-work | gnarface, I'm aware of that, but the person I was speaking to (who I do know in person, and whose mother tongue is German) isn't in that channel ;) |
| 09:42.25 | gnarface | colo-work: oh sorry my german is terrible. i thought you said your name was Thomas and you were telling us all hello |
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| 09:42.53 | colo-work | hehe, I see :D |
| 09:43.02 | colo-work | anyway, merry to meet you here, too |
| 09:43.06 | colo-work | ;) |
| 09:43.06 | gnarface | hah |
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| 09:48.38 | hichamat | I have DVD1, Debian installed (command line), now I want install gnome from DVD, how ? |
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| 09:49.56 | spo0nman | Hi, |
| 09:50.18 | tt | colo-work: kennen wir uns? |
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| 09:53.30 | gnarface | hichamat: if the cdrom is mounted and in your sources.list (which may be already the case if you installed from that dvd) then it should be just as simple as apt-get update && apt-get install gnome |
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| 09:56.07 | nameless` | is sata disk hotswapable ? |
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| 09:57.12 | colo-work | nameless`, SATA-300 (vulgo SATA2 or SATA-II) and above is. you probably need to have your disk controller in AHCI mode for that to work, though. |
| 09:57.24 | Pimpinella | hi |
| 09:57.38 | colo-work | with SATA-150, there are controllers that implement hotplug as well, afaik - but it's not mandatory |
| 09:57.56 | Pimpinella | what would be the recommendation for filesystem for a new installation these days? |
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| 09:59.20 | Pimpinella | i was generally happy with ext3 so far, so should i probably use ext4 (is that really stable yet)? |
| 10:00.01 | colo-work | running ext4 for years now, no problems to report. |
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| 10:00.21 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 10:00.27 | ROKO__ | i have trouble with debian squeeze |
| 10:00.33 | ROKO__ | after update kernel |
| 10:00.35 | ROKO__ | cant boot |
| 10:00.37 | Pimpinella | ty colo-work guess i'll use ext4 then |
| 10:00.43 | ROKO__ | get kernel panic |
| 10:00.45 | ROKO__ | and error message |
| 10:00.47 | ROKO__ | initrd is too big |
| 10:00.49 | ROKO__ | ?! |
| 10:01.14 | gnarface | nameless`: colo-work actually buyer beware. i've seen some of the earlier (ddr2 era boards at least) with sata 300 controllers (marvell crap comes to mind) that only support hotplug on 2 of 6 or 8 plugs ("e-sata" plugs they call them) |
| 10:01.45 | gnarface | nameless`, colo-work and that's in spite of the standard. just check your motherboard manual to be sure. |
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| 10:02.40 | cata | hello guys, is there a way to tell rsync to copy empty directories from source to dest? they're excluded right now ... thanks! |
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| 10:06.35 | gnarface | cata: rsync has a lot of options. i'm pretty sure that must be one of them but i would be surprised if anyone could remember off the top of their heads. have you read the man page thoroughly? you might discover all sorts of fun things you can do with it |
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| 10:09.42 | ROKO__ | ?!?!?!?! |
| 10:10.39 | gnarface | ROKO__: well stop keeping your lunch in there! |
| 10:11.20 | wols_ | ROKO__: what new kernel did you install? what version? |
| 10:11.22 | ROKO__ | i want to tell me why after update kernel in squeeze cant boot |
| 10:11.25 | ROKO__ | 2.6.32.5 |
| 10:11.27 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 10:11.30 | ROKO__ | from debian updates |
| 10:11.45 | wols_ | and what kernel did you run before? |
| 10:12.07 | gnarface | ROKO__: you are sure you did not modify your kernel or add any modules? maybe a little "m-a a-i" ? |
| 10:12.23 | ROKO__ | hm no |
| 10:13.02 | ROKO__ | only m-a prepare nvidia-kernel-common |
| 10:13.05 | ROKO__ | but it not success |
| 10:13.26 | ROKO__ | du -csh /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 10:13.27 | ROKO__ | 2.8M/boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 10:13.27 | ROKO__ | 2.8MиÑого |
| 10:13.28 | gnarface | ROKO__: hmm. that is a very big module. it is strange that it would be TOO big though |
| 10:13.32 | ROKO__ | initrd is really small |
| 10:14.02 | hichamat | gnarface: thank you |
| 10:14.22 | gnarface | ROKO__: anything else weird about this machine you should tell us about? maybe a very small /boot partition? i ran that update on several machines this week and had no problems. |
| 10:14.32 | Pimpinella | ROKO__: google has MANY hits on "initrd is too big" |
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| 10:14.37 | ROKO__ | gnarface: not boot partition |
| 10:14.38 | gnarface | ROKO__: i did not use any extra modules |
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| 10:14.42 | ROKO__ | i use one partition |
| 10:14.50 | wm4 | what was this site that archived ancient debian packages? |
| 10:14.58 | Pimpinella | one of these would be: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=48319 |
| 10:15.01 | ROKO__ | gnarface: just installed debian squeeze |
| 10:15.04 | gnarface | hichamat: did it work? |
| 10:15.06 | Pimpinella | did you try that yet? |
| 10:15.10 | ROKO__ | and update notifier tell me for updates |
| 10:15.23 | ROKO__ | Pimpinella: |
| 10:15.24 | ROKO__ | yes |
| 10:15.26 | ROKO__ | not work |
| 10:15.33 | ROKO__ | before that initrd 9MB |
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| 10:16.23 | gnarface | ROKO__: is everything up-to-date or just your kernel? |
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| 10:16.29 | gnarface | ROKO__: when is the last time you did a full update? |
| 10:16.37 | ROKO__ | gnarface: before 10 minutes |
| 10:16.42 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 10:16.45 | gnarface | that is weird |
| 10:16.59 | hichamat | gnarface: yes, installation under way |
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| 10:17.53 | gnarface | hichamat: hehe well that was the easy problem. the difficult one will be removing it once you decide it sucks |
| 10:18.04 | wm4 | damn, apparently there was never a xmms plugin to play flac |
| 10:18.22 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 10:18.29 | ROKO__ | i cant understand what happens |
| 10:18.43 | ROKO__ | http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=73590.0 |
| 10:18.54 | ROKO__ | there have with memory hole in bios but not tryed |
| 10:18.59 | ROKO__ | will try |
| 10:19.00 | ROKO__ | brb |
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| 10:23.16 | ROKO__ | hm |
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| 10:23.24 | ROKO__ | after dissable memory hole |
| 10:23.26 | ROKO__ | it boot |
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| 10:23.32 | Soothsayer | I get a perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 10:23.32 | Soothsayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.35 | ROKO__ | but cant mount btrfs partitions |
| 10:23.43 | K1ng` | hi |
| 10:23.50 | K1ng` | can anyone tell me how to fix this error |
| 10:23.51 | Soothsayer | what exactly should I do here? I'm trying to install an app (virtualmin), but I think this is disrupting it |
| 10:23.51 | K1ng` | http://pastebin.com/B8pxAFSK |
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| 10:24.09 | K1ng` | virtualmin sucks... |
| 10:24.15 | K1ng` | try ispconfig |
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| 10:24.29 | ROKO__ | gnarface, do you have idea ? |
| 10:24.47 | Soothsayer | K1ng`, I'd disagree. but let's move out of that debate please. I need a fix for this issue at the moment. |
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| 10:25.28 | gnarface | Soothsayer: the problem is you didn't configure your locale. run dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the charmap(s) you want |
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| 10:25.37 | wols_ | K1ng`: install php5-pgsql |
| 10:25.44 | gnarface | Soothsayer: probably it won't cause a problem with install though, its just a warning |
| 10:26.03 | wols_ | !tell Soothsayer about locale |
| 10:26.05 | gnarface | ROKO__: maybe it is an unrelated problem? what error do you get when you try to mount them? |
| 10:26.11 | K1ng` | wols_, thanks a lot :) |
| 10:26.20 | ROKO__ | gnarface, wait |
| 10:26.21 | Soothsayer | gnarface, It's installed fine with that warning.. but it doesn't seem to start after it. |
| 10:26.22 | ROKO__ | brb |
| 10:27.02 | gnarface | Soothsayer: oh. well maybe it sucks. try dpkg --purge [package name] and then reconfigure your locales, then try to install it again |
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| 10:29.23 | Soothsayer | gnarface, it's not really a package, but an install script |
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| 10:29.38 | Soothsayer | ok, which locale should I pick by default? |
| 10:29.42 | ROKO__ | so |
| 10:29.51 | gnarface | Soothsayer: brazillian portugese |
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| 10:30.24 | ROKO__ | gnarface, http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/en/show/1688 |
| 10:30.30 | gnarface | Soothsayer: seriously though, whatever one is appropriate for your preferred language. |
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| 10:30.54 | gnarface | Soothsayer: for american english, for example, you may want to pick en_US-utf8 or whatever its called |
| 10:30.58 | Soothsayer | gnarface, quite an exhaustive list here. I just want a standard english one. nothing special. |
| 10:31.05 | Soothsayer | gnarface, ha, that's what I was looking for. |
| 10:31.29 | gnarface | Soothsayer: for some reason i've been picking en_US utf8 and latin 1 (but not latin15) and then making the utf8 one the default |
| 10:31.42 | gnarface | Soothsayer: but in theory you should only need utf8 unless there are bugs |
| 10:32.59 | gnarface | Soothsayer: they're in alpha order. see the 3 en_US ones? you can really pick all of them if you like but it'll take a long time to finish. just make sure you make that en_US-utf8 one (that's probably not the exact spelling but you see which one i mean ,right) the default for maximum future-proofing |
| 10:33.19 | Soothsayer | gnarface, I keep gettin this error |
| 10:33.19 | Soothsayer | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7QQ3WRQY |
| 10:33.40 | Soothsayer | gnarface, yes, I did pick that. but ^^ |
| 10:33.50 | ROKO__ | gnarface, tryed with backports kernel and with it can mount btrfs but with this cant |
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| 10:34.13 | Soothsayer | en_US.UTF-8 is already selected |
| 10:34.40 | wols_ | Soothsayer: did you run it and choose a locale? if so, log in in another vty and try stuff there |
| 10:35.13 | Soothsayer | wols_, yes, I did choose a locale. It just can't generate it after that |
| 10:35.31 | wols_ | and why not? error message? |
| 10:35.45 | gnarface | ROKO__: yea what does it say? |
| 10:35.49 | Soothsayer | wols_, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7QQ3WRQY |
| 10:35.58 | ROKO__ | gnarface, http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/en/show/1688 |
| 10:36.08 | wols_ | Soothsayer: there is no error message generating them |
| 10:36.16 | Soothsayer | warnings? |
| 10:36.40 | gnarface | ROKO__: is the second part from dmesg? |
| 10:36.42 | wols_ | there are not warnings generating them either. please do what I told you above |
| 10:36.46 | gnarface | ROKO__: this looks like the problem: BTRFS: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features |
| 10:37.00 | Soothsayer | this is the main issue I'm trying to solve. |
| 10:37.00 | Soothsayer | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sPZXDiFa |
| 10:37.03 | ROKO__ | gnarface, i just run mount /dev/sdb1 /media/cldx |
| 10:37.06 | ROKO__ | and get this |
| 10:37.07 | gnarface | ROKO__: but the first part would show up with any filesystem if you didn't have the module loaded |
| 10:37.25 | ROKO__ | root@Calculate:/home/ROKO__# lsmod | grep btrfs |
| 10:37.25 | ROKO__ | btrfs 375821 0 |
| 10:37.25 | ROKO__ | zlib_deflate 17746 1 btrfs |
| 10:37.25 | ROKO__ | libcrc32c 1074 1 btrfs |
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| 10:37.31 | ROKO__ | ops sorry |
| 10:37.33 | wols_ | Soothsayer: we do not support webmin. and the locale thing is no error there either |
| 10:37.33 | gnarface | ROKO__: pastebin |
| 10:37.36 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 10:37.36 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 10:37.42 | ROKO__ | gnarface, yes sorry |
| 10:37.48 | ROKO__ | thats all |
| 10:37.51 | ROKO__ | module is loaded |
| 10:38.08 | wols_ | ROKO__: what kernel did you run before that your btrfs worked? |
| 10:38.25 | ROKO__ | wols_, i tryed backports kernel 2.6.38-bpo |
| 10:38.29 | ROKO__ | with it work |
| 10:38.34 | ROKO__ | with 2.6.32.36 |
| 10:38.35 | ROKO__ | not |
| 10:38.49 | wols_ | ROKO__: that's not what I asked. please answer my question |
| 10:39.04 | ROKO__ | wols_, i cant understand your question |
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| 10:39.31 | wols_ | you ran a kernel before you tried upgrading. and you had btrfs working back then yes? so what kernel was that exactly? |
| 10:39.48 | ROKO__ | as i sayd with default debian kernel not work |
| 10:39.55 | ROKO__ | only with backports kernel get work |
| 10:40.06 | ROKO__ | are you understand me ? |
| 10:40.08 | wols_ | and I asked you something. please answer |
| 10:40.22 | wols_ | I understand you. but you don't answer the actual question I asked |
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| 10:41.07 | wols_ | if you can't understand english, I suggest you tell us what your native language is so we can direct you to a more fitting channel maybe which uses your language |
| 10:41.14 | ROKO__ | wols_, because cant understand you what the hell do you mean |
| 10:41.38 | wols_ | ROKO__: where does /dev/sdb1 come from. what distro did create the filesystem? |
| 10:41.48 | ROKO__ | gentoo |
| 10:42.00 | wols_ | ah |
| 10:42.11 | ROKO__ | ?! |
| 10:42.28 | ROKO__ | with 2.6.38 kernel aslo |
| 10:42.30 | Soothsayer | wols_, well, it's made a lot of progress since I've used it and the virtualmin layer over it really makes it a good panel for quick stuff. I've really not had any issues with it in the past. We have two servers using it and its real stable. |
| 10:42.32 | ROKO__ | also* |
| 10:43.08 | wols_ | Soothsayer: that's fine but OT here. good luck with it and I suggest you do awesome backups |
| 10:43.36 | Soothsayer | wols_, I didn't really ask for webmin related help. I was more tryign to fix the locale warnings |
| 10:43.52 | ROKO__ | wols_, it mean will work only with same kernel version ?? |
| 10:43.54 | wols_ | well, then did you do what I told you to above? |
| 10:44.01 | wols_ | ROKO__: no it does not |
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| 10:44.15 | ROKO__ | i cant solve that |
| 10:44.22 | wols_ | can't solve what? |
| 10:44.34 | ROKO__ | mounting btrfs in debian |
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| 10:45.58 | wols_ | you already found the solution: a backport kernels |
| 10:46.11 | wols_ | at least with those options you choose when you created the filesystem |
| 10:46.17 | ROKO__ | no way to get with default kernel |
| 10:46.24 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 10:46.39 | wols_ | no |
| 10:46.46 | wols_ | not with the option you chose |
| 10:47.23 | ROKO__ | well |
| 10:47.27 | ROKO__ | and next question |
| 10:47.34 | ROKO__ | how to use apt pinnings |
| 10:47.55 | ROKO__ | in cases when want some newer version to install only with apt-get -t repo install package |
| 10:47.56 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 10:47.58 | wols_ | what for? if you want to use it to install software from testing or unstable, you are wrong |
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| 10:48.05 | ROKO__ | because now is enabled by default |
| 10:48.09 | wols_ | ROKO__: that is not what pinning is for |
| 10:48.21 | wols_ | !tell ROKO__ about backports |
| 10:48.31 | ROKO__ | no i mean and for sid repo |
| 10:48.51 | ROKO__ | how can make to be used only when apt-get -t sid |
| 10:48.51 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 10:49.02 | wols_ | yes. and I told you that is not what you want. if you do that you will reinstall your debian a week or so after |
| 10:49.36 | ROKO__ | well |
| 10:49.45 | ROKO__ | brb to boot again bpo kernel |
| 10:49.50 | ROKO__ | and thanks |
| 10:49.57 | wols_ | if you install packages from sid in squeeze you break your debian. the end. as soon as we see you have such a system where you mixed branches and got problems (you always get problems then and in 95% of time we find out what you did) you won't get any support anymore |
| 10:50.26 | ROKO__ | okay well so i will not use it |
| 10:50.35 | ROKO__ | when will get support ? |
| 10:50.39 | ROKO__ | stable and backports ? |
| 10:51.18 | ROKO__ | reboot |
| 10:51.28 | wols_ | you can run full sid too, but then you better know what you are doing. just that mixing branches is always creating a unholy mess which basically means: reinstall |
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| 10:54.05 | ROKO__ | mount /dev/sdb1 /media/cldx/ |
| 10:54.05 | ROKO__ | root@Calculate:/home/ROKO__# |
| 10:54.07 | ROKO__ | good |
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| 10:56.49 | ROKO__ | thanks for help guys |
| 10:57.07 | ROKO__ | and congrats debian 6 is better than debian 5 @_@ |
| 10:57.09 | wols_ | !tell ROKO__ about pinning |
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| 10:58.51 | ROKO__ | wols_, okay |
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| 11:02.11 | solofight | people amazon cloud computing is not providing debian nor ubuntu :( i simply love the apt-get way of doing things., is there any other essence of debian available ? |
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| 11:03.46 | rypervenche | solofight: You're looking for another distribution that might work with Amazon cloud computing? |
| 11:04.37 | solofight | rypervenche: yes which can have the same experience like debian |
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| 11:05.23 | wols_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=ec2+debian |
| 11:05.25 | solofight | i was amazed with apt-get way |
| 11:05.39 | solofight | if something can help me in installing packages i will be happy |
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| 11:06.05 | nsadmin | solofight, tried that search yet? :) |
| 11:06.29 | solofight | nsadmin: yes looking at results |
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| 11:07.42 | solofight | nsadmin: us-east1 has ubuntu ! |
| 11:08.15 | solofight | nsadmin: but here it says they dont have ubuntu http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ |
| 11:08.17 | solofight | ! ? |
| 11:08.31 | solofight | i mean its not hyperlinked |
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| 11:08.48 | nsadmin | umm... hmm? |
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| 11:09.20 | solofight | nsadmin: what does ummm...hmm? mean. please explain |
| 11:09.45 | nsadmin | what does "us-east1" mean? |
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| 11:10.22 | solofight | nsadmin: region of instance |
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| 11:12.27 | solofight | nsadmin: http://alestic.com |
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| 11:18.02 | cherrybone | do you guys think Debian runs well on that laptop? http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/products_id/86042?refcampaign_id=45c48cce2e2d7fbdea1afc51c7c6ad26 |
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| 11:21.03 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys did hapen to any of you to have HDD with smart Error at poweron lifetime 0.0.0??? |
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| 11:23.59 | cnz | im looking to switch to debian from ubuntu and wanted to get some peoples opinion on desktops |
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| 11:24.13 | boudiccas | cnz; kde |
| 11:24.29 | cnz | what makes kde better than lxde or gnome? |
| 11:24.30 | ROKO__ | gnome/xfce |
| 11:24.32 | ROKO__ | @_@ |
| 11:25.29 | cnz | I would l ike to test out gnome3 or is that a bad idea? |
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| 11:25.48 | ROKO__ | gnome3 isn't in debian .. |
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| 11:25.57 | cnz | but can be installed right? |
| 11:25.58 | ROKO__ | only in experimental if i'm not wrong |
| 11:26.09 | ROKO__ | yes if you want to destroy system |
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| 11:26.42 | cnz | oh so bad idea |
| 11:27.05 | ROKO__ | if you want gnome3 why you not use native gnome3 distribution ? |
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| 11:27.24 | wols_ | !gnome3 |
| 11:27.24 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 11:27.37 | anddam | hi, what's the suggested way to get a package that's in sid but not in stable, backports? |
| 11:27.47 | wols_ | !tell anddam about ssb |
| 11:27.47 | anddam | obviously I'm on stable |
| 11:28.15 | anddam | I see, what does ssb stand for btw? |
| 11:28.36 | anddam | Source Sid Backports? |
| 11:29.10 | wols_ | the factoid tells you what it stands for |
| 11:29.30 | wols_ | hmmm, seems that changed. simple sid backport usually |
| 11:29.31 | anddam | actually it didn't |
| 11:29.41 | anddam | I wouldn't have asked otherwise |
| 11:29.42 | anddam | thanks |
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| 11:30.29 | anddam | FYI I'm searching for youtube-dl |
| 11:31.57 | anddam | seems that factoid for "deb-src sid" has a single quote too much in the entry line |
| 11:32.05 | anddam | "'deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" |
| 11:32.14 | anddam | that 'deb-src isn't right, is it? |
| 11:32.30 | Iridos | dpkg, ssb |
| 11:32.30 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:32.56 | Iridos | (i thought before everyone looks what you're talking about) |
| 11:34.10 | anddam | dpkg, deb-src |
| 11:34.10 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
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| 11:34.17 | anddam | dpkg, deb-src sid |
| 11:34.17 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "'deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 11:34.21 | anddam | I meant this one |
| 11:34.27 | anddam | see the single quote? |
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| 11:34.40 | Iridos | in the other one, too |
| 11:35.36 | Iridos | dpkg, deb-src~=s/'// |
| 11:35.36 | dpkg | Iridos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 11:35.42 | Iridos | knew it |
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| 11:36.15 | anddam | it's not the same, in deb-src factoid there's a string with two single quotes, in "deb-src sid" there's a string in two double quotes with a spare single quote |
| 11:36.40 | mibo0001 | i'm using squeeze. when i start screen as root it works fine but as user it says "No more PTYs. Sorry, could not find a PTY" and terminates. how would i fix this? |
| 11:36.45 | Iridos | oh, right... but copied from it |
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| 11:39.30 | anddam | Is there a way to list existing backports? on bdo I only see a form to search them |
| 11:40.42 | Iridos | dpkg, deb-src sid =~ s/'// |
| 11:40.42 | dpkg | Iridos: i didn't have anything called 'deb-src sid' to modify |
| 11:42.28 | Iridos | gaah, sid is an option |
| 11:42.38 | Iridos | dpkg, cmd: deb-src (.*?) =~ s/'// |
| 11:42.38 | dpkg | Iridos: OK |
| 11:44.01 | anddam | dpkg, deb-src |
| 11:44.01 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
| 11:44.21 | anddam | dpkg, deb-src sid |
| 11:44.21 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 11:44.43 | anddam | oh I see, (.*?) matched only the factoid with "sid" option |
| 11:45.02 | Iridos | dpkg, deb-src hugendubbel |
| 11:45.02 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the hugendubbel release is: "deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ hugendubbel main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
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| 11:45.10 | Iridos | don't try this at home, kids |
| 11:45.22 | anddam | shouldn't (.*?) match empty too and therefore just "deb-src" factoid? I see "deb-src" wasn't changed |
| 11:45.31 | anddam | s/just/too/ |
| 11:46.25 | Iridos | no |
| 11:46.38 | cnz | ASD';FKA'SDKF;A'LFK'AFK;A'SKF;L |
| 11:46.47 | Iridos | dunno how matching is done internally |
| 11:46.56 | Iridos | cnz, take the cat off your keyboard, please |
| 11:49.22 | Iridos | dpkg, infobot |
| 11:49.22 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more. |
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| 11:50.28 | Iridos | but I am sure you can read some BEAUTIFUL perl code to find out, if you are interested enough |
| 11:51.32 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 11:51.54 | tuxcrafter | i am having a issue with iceweasel 5 to ssl websites |
| 11:51.57 | tuxcrafter | it is very slow |
| 11:52.05 | tuxcrafter | and with chromium they load in seconds |
| 11:52.11 | rozie | tuxcrafter: use 6.0. this is stable and supported |
| 11:52.11 | cherrybone | is there a package in the debian archive to have the bot dpkg one ones own PC? |
| 11:52.29 | Iridos | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 11:52.32 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-9; wheezy: 5.0-6; sid: 6.0.2-1; experimental: 7.0~b5-1 |
| 11:52.41 | cnz | the live desktop cd that's booted doesn't mean that's thet desktop that's going to install if you install debian does it? |
| 11:52.46 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.53 | tuxcrafter | 6.0 is nog available |
| 11:53.01 | rozie | mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:53.14 | Iridos | tuxcrafter, that's testing? |
| 11:53.28 | tuxcrafter | Iridos: yes i am using testing |
| 11:53.28 | cnz | tuxcrafter: what does nog available mean? |
| 11:53.46 | tuxcrafter | cnz: not in the testing debian repos |
| 11:53.52 | Iridos | did you check the bts? |
| 11:53.56 | cnz | tuxcrafter: aahh ok |
| 11:54.15 | Iridos | this channel is more for stable... there's #debian-next on the oftc network for testing |
| 11:54.26 | tuxcrafter | jups i know sorry |
| 11:55.10 | tuxcrafter | sudo apt-get install iceweasel -t sid |
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| 11:56.42 | tuxcrafter | still very slow |
| 11:56.43 | tuxcrafter | wierd |
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| 11:59.56 | cherrybone | if one install iceweasel from branch x, then one should also install xulrunner from branch x (and all addons xul-ext-*) |
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| 12:10.08 | Sc0rian | i've offically converted from centos to debian today :-) |
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| 12:12.00 | daemonkeeper | !congratulations Sc0rian |
| 12:12.00 | dpkg | Huzzah Sc0rian, you did it! |
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| 12:19.06 | mutante | welcome Sc0rian |
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| 12:21.26 | boudiccas | Sc0rian; why did you leave centos? i left just after 5.6 came out |
| 12:21.56 | boudiccas | Sc0rian; pm me if you want it to be private |
| 12:22.27 | daemonkeeper | Probably because it sucks. |
| 12:22.40 | Sc0rian | ha |
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| 12:23.09 | daemonkeeper | No, I'm serious. Updates take ages, security support is poor, available packages are very limited (but that's due to RHEL of course) |
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| 12:23.20 | Sc0rian | ran lots of servers on it and centos 6 just annoys me even more |
| 12:23.52 | Sc0rian | clustering support on it (luci etc) doesnt even work in rhel6 |
| 12:24.23 | boudiccas | i left because it seemed to be going the way of 'White Box Enterprise' |
| 12:24.54 | Sc0rian | i hate the hacking i have to always do to get stuff to work |
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| 12:28.41 | kurrata | hi, i just installed debian. went to cli and removed gnome thought aptitude(i think), then installed virtual kde. so far so good. now when i want to install kdmit wanstto pull 400mb worth of gnome stuff...could someonse checkif it is right or i have messed up something up |
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| 12:29.19 | fossala | kurrata: You can install kde from the installation media. |
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| 12:30.12 | kurrata | fossala: i had minimal install, when i selected grapish env it didnt give me any submenus or anything like that, same for servers and databases |
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| 12:31.10 | fossala | Yeah there is a section at the start and if you go into advanced you can select you DE. Then when you select what you want later on in the install it will install kde. |
| 12:31.37 | kurrata | ;( |
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| 12:32.07 | fossala | If you have only just install maybe re-install it. It only takes 15mins. |
| 12:32.26 | kurrata | around 1/2h with mynet ;) |
| 12:32.32 | fossala | :( |
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| 12:33.09 | kurrata | thx for the info...will go hunt that mysteriouse advanced settings |
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| 12:33.22 | fossala | It is right at the start |
| 12:33.35 | kurrata | expert install? |
| 12:33.38 | fossala | There are some options just before you start the install. |
| 12:33.52 | fossala | No just below expert install there is another option its in there |
| 12:34.03 | kurrata | k, thanks |
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| 12:36.03 | wols_ | fossala: how can this work when there is no kde on the ISO at all and tasksel files are fixed |
| 12:36.26 | fossala | I will fire up a vm and double check 1 sec. |
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| 12:40.09 | fossala | I'm right it's on the boot menu Advanced options>Alternate desktop enviroments>"KDE/LXDE/XFCE" |
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| 12:41.27 | fossala | He is using net install but I'm also sure that if your using normal ~700MB cd to install if the file isn't on the cd it will search the interwebs for the files aslong as you set up the network correctly. |
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| 12:54.43 | toxboi | Hi, how can I exclude two tables at once in mysqlhotcopy? |
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| 12:57.26 | dkr | db_name./~(table1|table2)/ |
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| 13:00.00 | anddam | Iridos: I notice some sarcasm in "BEAUTIFUL.*perl", am I right? |
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| 13:05.55 | Iridos | anddam, no |
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| 13:06.12 | anddam | why the capital letters, then? |
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| 13:06.19 | Iridos | emphasis |
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| 13:06.31 | anddam | I see |
| 13:06.34 | anddam | thanks |
| 13:06.48 | spal | Can I see the list of packages I can install from the first DVD alone? |
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| 13:07.36 | spal | I am going to install Debian on a system with no connection to the internet. I have got only the first DVD. I want to make sure that I'll get the packages I need from the first DVD alone. e.g gvim, ssh server, etc. |
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| 13:08.53 | wols_ | !tell spabout cd content |
| 13:09.17 | wols_ | !tell spa about cd content |
| 13:09.38 | Iridos | anddam, ;) |
| 13:10.31 | dkr | all caps is for acronyms |
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| 13:15.23 | toxboi | dkr: thanks a lot! |
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| 13:19.43 | Arafangion | Hmm, 'dar' is still too manual for my needs - is there an automated backup program that will automatically backup my ~/ to an external drive? |
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| 13:20.30 | petemc | Arafangion: backuppc |
| 13:20.42 | petemc | i used dirvish, but im not sure that its still maintained |
| 13:20.44 | boudiccas | Arafangion; rsnapshot |
| 13:20.56 | boudiccas | Arafangion; rsync |
| 13:21.18 | colo-work | Arafangion; rdiff-backup |
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| 13:22.14 | fmateo05 | hi |
| 13:22.19 | fmateo05 | i have a question; |
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| 13:22.26 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 13:22.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:22.30 | fmateo05 | i want to install kernel 2.6.34 |
| 13:22.35 | fmateo05 | on debian squeeze |
| 13:22.51 | Arafangion | boudiccas: rsync is a terrible backup solution on it's own. |
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| 13:23.15 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 13:23.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 13:23.19 | boudiccas | Arafangion; i use it very easily, it backs up to my external h/d every three hours |
| 13:23.24 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels --arch=amd64 |
| 13:23.25 | Arafangion | boudiccas: On it's own, at best it's an efficient one-way synchroniser. |
| 13:23.26 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 13:23.36 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 13:23.37 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 13:23.40 | Arafangion | boudiccas: So you overwrite your previous backup every time? |
| 13:23.45 | thewanderer1 | crap, I don't know the syntax |
| 13:23.57 | Arafangion | investigates petemc's suggestion of backupppc. |
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| 13:24.05 | boudiccas | no, i have one backup for every 24 hours, just as i like it |
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| 13:24.18 | fmateo05 | ok |
| 13:24.58 | anddam | dkr: all your caps are belongs to us |
| 13:25.07 | Arafangion | boudiccas: I'm going to assume you have a script that does that. |
| 13:25.15 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Because rsync on it's own does not do that. |
| 13:25.26 | boudiccas | Arafangion; yes, it works very well too |
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| 13:25.32 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Also, I doubt it'll do so efficiently on my external media, which is ntfs. |
| 13:25.45 | boudiccas | Arafangion; horses for courses |
| 13:26.10 | boudiccas | Arafangion; my external usb h/d is ext3 |
| 13:26.23 | Arafangion | boudiccas: I have recently checked out 'dar', it has the same limitations as rsync except that it works better given that i'm using ntfs. |
| 13:27.26 | Arafangion | boudiccas: But I would have to script it, and I'd rather not do so. |
| 13:27.46 | boudiccas | Arafangion; i used to use rsnapshot until it ate all the space on my / twice! never again, so i use rsync and am very happy with it |
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| 13:28.42 | Arafangion | boudiccas: That would be similar to rsync + cp -P. (Or whatever the option it is that gets cp to create hardlinks) |
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| 13:29.19 | donttrustem | i want to setup a local dns server with forwarding ⦠is there a doc for this? |
| 13:29.46 | Arafangion | Hmm, backuppc's more than what I want. |
| 13:29.47 | Bushmills | dnsmasq, maradns. |
| 13:30.07 | Bushmills | they come with man pages |
| 13:30.07 | Arafangion | I dont' want to set up a webserver to use it.; |
| 13:30.19 | donttrustem | Bushmills: was that for me? |
| 13:30.26 | Bushmills | yes |
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| 13:30.56 | donttrustem | OK ⦠so I can use this for local DNS and it will forward all other requests? |
| 13:31.09 | Bushmills | that depends on how you configure them |
| 13:31.32 | Bushmills | you can do that with either |
| 13:31.51 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Basically, what I want is to have a program that backs up my ~ very regularly to an external drive that can trivially be plugged into any of my other machines and mounted. |
| 13:32.16 | donttrustem | Bushmills: it sets up dhcp as well? |
| 13:32.23 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Which pretty much rules out ext3, even if I only had linux (I'd have to mess about with permissions, numeric ID's, and the like) |
| 13:32.35 | Bushmills | dnsmasq does - it even provides a dhcp server |
| 13:32.49 | boudiccas | Arafangion; rsync will do that, and i've documented it on my blog |
| 13:32.57 | donttrustem | Bushmills: don't want the dhcp side :) |
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| 13:33.13 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Yes, but rsync is expensive in terms of disk usage unless you use hard links... Do they work on ntfs? |
| 13:33.15 | Bushmills | "it sets up dhcp" but you don't want?? |
| 13:33.28 | boudiccas | Arafangion; no idea :) |
| 13:33.33 | anddam | bye |
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| 13:33.48 | donttrustem | Bushmills: I only want the DNS |
| 13:33.54 | Arafangion | boudiccas: It strikes me that I should check. ;) |
| 13:34.03 | donttrustem | local dns .. I have a dhcp server runnig |
| 13:34.04 | Bushmills | then disables dhcpd component |
| 13:34.09 | donttrustem | Ah OK |
| 13:34.11 | donttrustem | cool |
| 13:34.24 | Bartzy | How can I use adduser in a script ? Make it not ask the question for name etc ? |
| 13:34.30 | petemc | Bartzy: user useradd |
| 13:34.34 | petemc | erm, use |
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| 13:34.45 | boudiccas | Arafangion; http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html and you'll find it amongst all the verbiage |
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| 13:35.33 | bubak | bartzy: you may also look at expect library -- it allows to control interactive programs |
| 13:35.37 | Bartzy | thanks. |
| 13:35.39 | Bushmills | maradns is name server only. no dhcpd. can be used as forwarding nameserver, recursive name server, authoritative name server. and combinations. |
| 13:35.40 | Bartzy | I'll use useradd |
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| 13:35.46 | hichamat | where is apt.conf ?? /etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't exist |
| 13:35.47 | Arafangion | boudiccas: I've done something similar in the past, just really hoping I don't need to write a program to do it. |
| 13:36.00 | fossala | Does anyone know a good place to start on how to set up a mail server? I don't want just a copy and paste guide, I want to be able to understand each step and why I'm doing it so I don't screw myself over later down the line when I need to troubleshoot. |
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| 13:36.21 | petemc | fossala: pick the mta you want to use, read its documentation |
| 13:36.28 | boudiccas | Arafangion; i got my script and stanza to work with the help of my local LUG |
| 13:36.47 | Bushmills | fossala: postfix man pages and config files |
| 13:37.05 | bubak | fossala: i always enjoyed postfix documentation -- for start: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html |
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| 13:37.17 | fossala | So just learn the mta then build around that? |
| 13:37.26 | Arafangion | boudiccas: A naive rsync+cp crontab has some edge cases. |
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| 13:37.38 | fossala | Awesome thanks, a bit simpler than I thought. |
| 13:37.47 | petemc | you might think that now.. |
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| 13:37.53 | Arafangion | boudiccas: At work, I use TimeMachine. It's sweet, and awesome. |
| 13:37.57 | boudiccas | Arafangion; 'edge cases'? |
| 13:38.41 | fossala | I know it's not going to be easy and I don't plan on moving to hosting my own email until I am sure I can handle it. With Uni work that could be a while. |
| 13:38.43 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Running out of inodes (If you use a unix filesystem) is one issue. |
| 13:38.55 | Arafangion | boudiccas: Another issues are backups taking longer than expected. |
| 13:39.05 | hichamat | where I can enter APT::Install-Recommends "false"; ? |
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| 13:39.24 | boudiccas | Arafangion; ah, i see. well so far i've not run into any problems with it |
| 13:39.34 | Arafangion | boudiccas: I have. ;) |
| 13:40.19 | Arafangion | boudiccas: That said, if I were to write my own backup program, I would use rsync, it's a beautiful thing. |
| 13:40.30 | boudiccas | Arafangion; :) |
| 13:40.33 | Arafangion | boudiccas: TimeMachine is similar, but with a lot of smarts. |
| 13:41.06 | Arafangion | might go as far as to claim that TimeMachine represents the best a backup system could be for a home user. |
| 13:42.01 | petemc | the same could be said for airport express, they can detect double nat and switch on bridging |
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| 13:42.21 | Arafangion | Nice. |
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| 13:45.04 | hichamat | what is the best solution for system backup ? RAID or or there is others solutions ? |
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| 13:45.23 | Arafangion | RAID is not a backup solution. |
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| 13:46.57 | Arafangion | Hmm, "BackInTime" looks interesting. |
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| 13:47.37 | hichamat | Arafangion: thanks |
| 13:47.47 | Arafangion | hichamat: I'm currently investigating myself. |
| 13:48.54 | thewanderer1 | I use faubackup, but not sure how well that works with foreign FS |
| 13:49.45 | donttrustem | Bushmills: hmm! I have entries in my hosts files but it doesn't seem to look at that first even though it is set to look at them |
| 13:49.59 | donttrustem | Bushmills: dnsmaq I am using |
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| 13:51.40 | Arafangion | thewanderer1: Hmm, I suspect much the same. |
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| 13:52.16 | thewanderer1 | does NTFS have stable inodes? |
| 13:52.31 | donttrustem | this is confusing # Add local-only domains here, queries in these domains are answered |
| 13:52.31 | donttrustem | # from /etc/hosts or DHCP only. |
| 13:52.32 | donttrustem | #local=/localnet/ |
| 13:52.33 | Arafangion | Don't know, I suppose I should find out. |
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| 13:53.12 | thewanderer1 | Arafangion: if so, I recommend faubackup, it's dead simple (grab it from lenny) |
| 13:53.20 | donttrustem | where do you add them in the local net? |
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| 13:53.33 | Arafangion | thewanderer1: backintime is in squeeze, and seems even simpler. |
| 13:53.36 | hichamat | Arafangion: can I use tar for backup the whole system ? |
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| 13:54.03 | thewanderer1 | Arafangion: good, never tried it myself. pick what you like :) |
| 13:54.04 | Arafangion | hichamat: Yes. |
| 13:54.20 | Arafangion | hichamat: But it's an especially clunky way to do it, better would be to use dar. |
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| 13:55.47 | Arafangion | hichamat: Don't forget to exclude /dev |
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| 13:56.07 | Arafangion | hichamat: And to shut down your various databases and other daemons if you intend to backup /var that way. |
| 13:57.12 | hichamat | Arafangion: and what about Amanda ? because I'm looking for a robust open source tool in command line used on business company, the objectif is backup many workstation turning on debian |
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| 13:57.50 | Arafangion | hichamat: Then your requirements are very different to mine. I've never used Amanda. |
| 13:58.00 | hichamat | Arafangion: using client/server method |
| 13:58.47 | hichamat | Arafangion: :) |
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| 13:59.47 | Arafangion | backintime looks to be *perfect* |
| 13:59.53 | Arafangion | For my use... Not hichamat's. |
| 14:00.27 | Arafangion | Speaking of external drives... How does one use ext3 or other typical formats conveniently? |
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| 14:00.41 | Arafangion | Ie, when I plug it in, I expect all files to be readable by me. |
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| 14:03.24 | bubak | just to continue in RAID / backup solution -- what do you use to backup sw raid? |
| 14:04.00 | Arafangion | RAID is not a backup solution! |
| 14:04.12 | sep | bubak, i backup the contents with backuppc (overrsync (over ssh)) |
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| 14:07.33 | bubak | arafangion: i know, just asking what tool you use to backup sw raid -- recently i tried clonezilla -- but it does not handle sw raid well, so i just backup the root directory (which is ugly) |
| 14:07.40 | bubak | sep: i will give it a try |
| 14:07.53 | Arafangion | bubak: Why should it care about teh sw raid in particular? |
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| 14:08.46 | sep | bubak, backuppc copies contents of mountpoints. not disk images. |
| 14:08.48 | sep | fyi |
| 14:09.18 | sep | bubak, and hence does not care about raid (or not) |
| 14:09.22 | bubak | arafangion: as i just select the first google offerred and it was clonezilla -- but it cannot handel sw raid correctly, or at least i was not able to make a backup unlesss i also back up free sp[ace |
| 14:09.45 | Arafangion | bubak: What? |
| 14:09.54 | Arafangion | bubak: The sw raid should be *irrelevant*. |
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| 14:10.27 | bubak | ara: just try google : clonezilla sw raid -- you will see, that it has some problems with that |
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| 14:10.54 | bubak | it is able to clone physical partition and not backup free space, but for some reason, it is not able to do so with sw raid |
| 14:10.57 | Arafangion | Oh, you're trying to copy the file system *images*. |
| 14:11.02 | bubak | yes |
| 14:11.04 | bubak | exactly |
| 14:11.05 | Arafangion | Why? |
| 14:11.28 | bubak | just seemed more simple to me, than to backup important data |
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| 14:12.03 | Arafangion | It's the most complicated way to do a backup. |
| 14:12.10 | bubak | :-) |
| 14:12.25 | bubak | glad that i have asked :-) |
| 14:12.35 | bubak | arafangion: sep uses backuppc -- what do you use? |
| 14:12.48 | Arafangion | As of... 10 minutes ago... I've been using backintime. |
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| 14:14.42 | sep | bubak, backuppc have deduplication. at the current time it have deduplicated 40 TB of data into 3.4TB real storage. the rest is hardlinks. just sweet |
| 14:15.06 | sep | it also makes it very easy to allow users to access or restore their own files |
| 14:15.19 | sep | it's probably way overkill if you are 1 user with 1 machine :) |
| 14:15.34 | Arafangion | Sep, but I'd certainly consider it for a more substantial installation. |
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| 14:16.24 | bubak | ara: just curious -- why doing images is wrong? if you can arrange that hw will always be the same -- you may just clone it, or do I missing something? |
| 14:16.51 | Arafangion | bubak: It's an exceededly fragile way of managing backups. |
| 14:17.09 | bubak | sep: i will give it a try, backuppc looks reallly good from their web site |
| 14:17.10 | Arafangion | bubak: Not to mention, additionally extremely expensive in terms of disk space. |
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| 14:18.25 | bubak | ara: money is not a problem for this solution, but i understand that backing up the data is more versatile, but also requires more time to restore (you need to install HW, OS, and such) |
| 14:19.02 | Arafangion | bubak: I like to do a backup every hour. |
| 14:19.09 | Arafangion | bubak: In an automated fashion. |
| 14:19.32 | boudiccas | set it and forget it! |
| 14:19.42 | jaakkos | backuppc is great indeed. |
| 14:20.10 | sep | bubak, you need HW for a disk backup as well. |
| 14:20.24 | sep | and for OS any linux live cd with ssh would do |
| 14:20.32 | jaakkos | my company currently has 12TB worth of backups crunched to 687GB by backuppc. |
| 14:20.39 | donttrustem | is struggling to get maradns to work as a local dns+forwarding |
| 14:20.47 | bubak | sep: but the hw will be provided in hosting center almost free of charge, taking a money for hosting into account :-) |
| 14:21.47 | bubak | happens to be that i try to find a solution for backing up an enterprise system, though i have no experience in that area :-(, bad management decision i would say |
| 14:21.50 | sep | bubak, on your own network or on theirs ? i have a pxe bootable linux live cd image i use for backuppc restore's |
| 14:22.05 | bubak | sep: theirs network |
| 14:22.20 | bubak | sep: but i am able to use any live cd distro i want in physical KVM |
| 14:22.38 | bubak | sep: backuppc dpoes not do live backups? |
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| 14:23.28 | sep | bubak, live backups ? |
| 14:23.33 | bubak | sep: ie, as i get it now, you just backup live data in the system as it is normally online -- if there are inconsistencioes, what do you do? |
| 14:23.50 | Arafangion | You sure as heck can't with clonezilla. |
| 14:24.13 | bubak | yes, clonezilla is out of question |
| 14:24.17 | sep | for databases i dump them to file before backup. but i also do lvm snapshots |
| 14:24.17 | jaakkos | bubak: backuppc uses rsync |
| 14:24.25 | sep | and rsync that |
| 14:24.26 | jaakkos | by default. |
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| 14:24.49 | sep | but also with lvm snapshots you should make sure you'r database is consistent before doing the snapshot |
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| 14:25.48 | boudiccas | /usr/bin/rsync -av /home/boztu/ /media/disk/`/bin/date +%Y%m%d`/ >> /home/boztu/cron/backup.txt............ thats what i use with rsync |
| 14:26.00 | bubak | there is oracle backup up with rman and archive logging, thats fine |
| 14:26.01 | bubak | and you just create a lvm snapshot, do the backup, delete the snapshot? |
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| 14:26.51 | sep | bubak, in pre_ and post_ scripts yes |
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| 14:27.32 | desdenova_ | hello everyone. In order to install kde to my brand new, command-line-only, debian 6 I know I need the kde-full package. |
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| 14:27.36 | sep | if you have databases tho you should make sure they are consistent in the time it takes to create the snapshot |
| 14:27.43 | desdenova_ | do i have to install something else for x11? |
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| 14:28.32 | sep | desdenova_, you probably want to install xorg as well |
| 14:28.36 | sep | so yes |
| 14:29.20 | desdenova_ | sep: the package name is just xorg? |
| 14:29.23 | bubak | sep: sql is no problem, consistency is solved, but regular files are something that bothers me |
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| 14:29.26 | sep | !install xorg |
| 14:29.26 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 14:29.31 | sep | yes |
| 14:29.43 | bubak | sep: but lvm snapshot with copy on write is quite a good idea |
| 14:30.01 | desdenova_ | thank you sep |
| 14:30.06 | desdenova_ | !install kde |
| 14:30.07 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
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| 14:30.35 | SerajewelKS | bubak: of course, if some program is in the middle of writing to a file, you're going to get that snapshot in a half-written state |
| 14:31.34 | trnzmeta | nite all |
| 14:31.46 | desdenova_ | so with the standard netinst, xorg and the kde package I have everything I need for a basic functional setup? |
| 14:31.49 | SerajewelKS | i wish there was a system-level "flush and synchronize" signal that would get sent to all processes, and they would all flush any buffers and ensure data consistency on disk, then make a syscall that would block until the OS released it... |
| 14:32.26 | SerajewelKS | then an LVM snapshot could send that signal and wait for processes to block on that call, at which point all data should be consistent and LVM makes the snapshot, then releases the processes |
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| 14:33.03 | donttrustem | I am not sure where I am going wrong here.. I have setup dnsmasq and I can resolve names on the server locally but when I point a workstation to use that dns it cannot resolve local names |
| 14:33.25 | bubak | serajewelKS: so there is probably no bullet proof solution and while backing up a regular data you always have some potential inconsistency? |
| 14:33.31 | SerajewelKS | donttrustem: what names can you resolve locally? |
| 14:33.46 | SerajewelKS | bubak: if stuff is writing to the disk, yes, there is always a chance of data corruption |
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| 14:34.02 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: i.e jessica |
| 14:34.09 | SerajewelKS | database servers are usually able to recover from such scenarios |
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| 14:34.32 | SerajewelKS | donttrustem: so what does "dig jessica @127.0.0.1" return when run on the DNS server box? |
| 14:34.46 | donttrustem | http://gyazo.com/f4f761eed5cf1a49733a197cbaa180d5 |
| 14:35.09 | donttrustem | it is working on the server but not when I try from a workstation |
| 14:35.13 | SerajewelKS | ok, what is the DNS suffix as configured on your other workstations? |
| 14:35.28 | bubak | well, thanks to all for tips and answers, will have look at backuppc to complete database backup with regular files backup |
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| 14:35.40 | donttrustem | the ipaddress of the server |
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| 14:35.55 | SerajewelKS | donttrustem: not the DNS server address, the DNS suffix |
| 14:36.04 | donttrustem | ah â¦. but it is only listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:36.05 | SerajewelKS | donttrustem: are these windows or linux workstations? |
| 14:36.18 | SerajewelKS | donttrustem: oh, heh... that could be the issue :P |
| 14:36.23 | donttrustem | :) |
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| 14:36.51 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: let me configure the interface |
| 14:36.51 | SerajewelKS | be aware of the suffix issue though. some OSes when given a bare name will append the DNS suffix when resolving. |
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| 14:37.11 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: oK |
| 14:37.12 | SerajewelKS | so you have to make sure that jessica. and jessica.suffix. both resolve |
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| 14:38.48 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: in the conf it say or not add ⦠does this mean it can listen on the interface or the address? |
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| 14:39.43 | karlpinc | What (aside from a custom pregx) can I use to extract a foo@example.com address from a full rfc2822 address? |
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| 14:40.10 | namtorba | is the field consistent? awk? |
| 14:40.27 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: still not working from my mac |
| 14:40.34 | karlpinc | namtorba: Consitent, but the syntax is not dead simple. |
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| 14:41.11 | namtorba | karlpinc: sample ? |
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| 14:44.18 | karlpinc | namtorba: See rfc2822 (IIRC, it could be 2821) |
| 14:45.04 | karlpinc | Surely it's been done before. |
| 14:45.10 | donttrustem | fixed :) |
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| 14:45.53 | karlpinc | (Sadly, my net connection seems to be only working well enough to support irc. My web is broken :-P ) |
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| 14:50.05 | raikage | will there be issues regarding the following configuration? The only one I could think of is when it is accessed via eth1 (pasted the info in #flood) |
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| 14:52.00 | karlpinc | !tell raikage about pastbinit |
| 14:52.11 | karlpinc | !tell raikage about pastebinit |
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| 14:53.32 | raikage | karlpinc, my apologies, basically what con go wrong with this simple route configuration. http://pastebin.com/n36rJwss |
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| 14:54.44 | sep | anyone running libvirt from squeeze-backports? after upgrading to that from libvirt in squeeze, i notice a few issues. ie grub hangs on the gusest when i try to boot one of the guests (that worked previously) |
| 14:54.59 | fullstop | Hi.. I'm looking into timezones / zoneinfo.. are things such as "US/Central" being phased out? It doesn't appear to be an "official" zoneinfo entry... |
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| 14:55.39 | mads- | Hi. I have a bash script copying a zip file before I do stuff with it. So then I say copy, sync, sleep for 30 seconds just to be sure the sync is done. My question is: Will the sleep called right after sync in some way affect the sync? |
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| 14:56.41 | Bushmills | mads-: why would you even need to sync before "doing stuff" with a file? |
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| 14:57.18 | Bushmills | unless you copy it to a removable storage device, or expect your machine to crash when "doing stuff", there's little point |
| 14:57.34 | karlpinc | raikage: No problem. (But my net is so slow I can't see web pages. (!)) |
| 14:57.39 | mads- | Bushmills, I have heard from one of my colleagues that it might be required when copying a file in a bash to do a sync afterwards to ensure the file is actually done copying before I start working on it |
| 14:57.59 | Bushmills | mads-: nope. not needed. |
| 14:58.37 | karlpinc | mads-: You need sync to be sure the file is on-disk, in case you need to remove the disk or your box dies. Otherwise, it's transparent to you. |
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| 14:59.12 | mads- | OK. then my problem probably lies elsewhere. Thought I had it figured out though |
| 14:59.21 | mads- | Thanks |
| 14:59.39 | namtorba | karlpinc: i was hoping not to have to google myself :) |
| 14:59.50 | Bushmills | it's more likely the problem is a bug in the script :) |
| 15:00.01 | karlpinc | namtorba: You don't need to. Go straight to www.rfc-editor.org where the offical rfcs are kept. |
| 15:00.20 | namtorba | uhhuh ... |
| 15:01.07 | namtorba | or you could just give me an example so i don't have to read an RFC |
| 15:02.16 | iateadonut | if i've got an email that is receiving a csv file everyday, and that csv file needs to be put on a certain place on a server so a script can run on it - how might i do that... main thing is taking the csv from the email and putting that in a certain directory on the server. |
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| 15:02.43 | karlpinc | namtorba: I'd have to read the rfc myself to get all the possible example permunations. In which case I may as well write a pcre myself. I'm really looking for someone who just knows the right tool to use. |
| 15:02.45 | namtorba | iateadonut: procmail |
| 15:03.01 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: friggin windows machines are crap |
| 15:03.11 | namtorba | karlpinc: wrong channel? |
| 15:03.16 | namtorba | whoops .. wrong person |
| 15:03.49 | karlpinc | iateadonut: procmail plus something like munpack to get the attachement out. |
| 15:03.50 | donttrustem | mac resolve the names perfectly ⦠windows can do an nslookup ok but cannot ping the name :S |
| 15:04.15 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 15:04.36 | karlpinc | iateadonut, namtorba: I've not been able to find a good substitute for munpack -- even though it's no longer maintained upstream and it does not deal with something or another having to do with encoding. |
| 15:05.01 | namtorba | karlpinc: i can't imagine there isn't a perl lib to do this already |
| 15:05.40 | karlpinc | iateadonut: You may be able to use your /etc/ailases file to direct the mail to your (munpack) script instead of having to use procmail. It depends. Procmail is handy. |
| 15:05.40 | iateadonut | is there a gui networking tool if you're using debian on the desktop? |
| 15:06.21 | karlpinc | namtorba: No doubt. Alghouth I find perl to be write-only I'm willing to go there. |
| 15:06.41 | Bauldrick | so instead of altering /etc/sudoers , I can create a file in /etc/sudoers.d and add Bauldrick ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL or is that wrong? |
| 15:06.45 | namtorba | karlpinc: apt-cache search extract email ? |
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| 15:07.06 | iateadonut | (i'll check for perl libs, too) |
| 15:07.06 | karlpinc | namtorba: "aptitdue search ~Gmail" at the moment. |
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| 15:07.16 | namtorba | karlpinc: or just ask #perl :) |
| 15:07.37 | karlpinc | Bauldrick: IIRC you could just add Bauldrick to the sudoers group. |
| 15:08.11 | dwfreed | s/sudoers/sudo/ |
| 15:08.33 | iateadonut | libmailtools-perl - Manipulate email in perl programs - there's the perl lib, i guess |
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| 15:12.40 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: are you still here? |
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| 15:13.01 | SerajewelKS | donttrustem: sort of, i'm at work so i'm in and out |
| 15:13.12 | donttrustem | ah sorry |
| 15:13.27 | donttrustem | strange it was all working and just stopped resolving |
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| 15:16.00 | HardDisk_WP | when writing a manpage, I can use \fIword secondword |
| 15:16.05 | HardDisk_WP | to make the words italic |
| 15:16.16 | HardDisk_WP | but how do I "undo" the \fI? |
| 15:16.39 | namtorba | can you change back to normal ? |
| 15:16.40 | karlpinc | HardDisk_WP: man 7 groff Or read the info pages. |
| 15:17.31 | Justin__ | HardDisk_WP: did you try reading the source for just about ANY existing man page? |
| 15:17.31 | karlpinc | HardDisk_WP: Possibly may 7 groff_man |
| 15:17.42 | karlpinc | s/may/man |
| 15:18.11 | HardDisk_WP | Justin__, yes, that's where I got the \fI from |
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| 15:18.42 | Tigerboy | debian upgrades forced the uninstall of VLC this morning. |
| 15:18.46 | twobitsprite | man pages have italics? |
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| 15:19.10 | HardDisk_WP | twobitsprite, it's underlined |
| 15:19.10 | namtorba | Tigerboy: you let it happen you mean? |
| 15:19.13 | Justin__ | HardDisk_WP: ok? and what came after the fI? |
| 15:19.32 | HardDisk_WP | a \fR. /me is blind these days, it seems |
| 15:19.33 | Tigerboy | it was the only real option of the set of choices |
| 15:19.40 | donttrustem | SerajewelKS: man it is working now â¦. friggin strange problem ⦠thanks for yourhelp |
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| 15:19.53 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: testing? sid? |
| 15:19.55 | namtorba | Tigerboy: and if you try to install it again ? |
| 15:19.56 | donttrustem | p |
| 15:20.01 | Tigerboy | let it happen how about not messing up the darn upgrades in the first place |
| 15:20.21 | thewanderer1 | gentlemen, how do I compile a Linux module which I forgot during config time? |
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| 15:21.07 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: directing your question to "gentlemen" is unduely limiting your options... not sure if there are any such creatures in here :P |
| 15:21.11 | thewanderer1 | (ok, ladies too so that boudiccas doesn't get angry :P ) |
| 15:21.24 | Tigerboy | twobitsprite: lol |
| 15:21.29 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 15:21.56 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:22.06 | thewanderer1 | oh whatever, I'll recompile that... |
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| 15:22.13 | Tigerboy | Twobitsprite: wheezy |
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| 15:22.27 | spersaud | my screen stays at the same brightness when I plug in and unplug the power cord |
| 15:22.32 | spersaud | its a toshiba tecra laptop |
| 15:22.44 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: you do realize that's "testing" right? :) |
| 15:23.12 | namtorba | Tigerboy: and if you trtry to install it again ? |
| 15:23.22 | Tigerboy | oh for christ sake |
| 15:23.24 | spersaud | its a Toshiba Tecra M11 - S3412 |
| 15:23.34 | Tigerboy | typical |
| 15:23.35 | Tigerboy | lol |
| 15:23.38 | karlpinc | namtorba: libemail-address-perl Now all I need to do is find a python library instead. :) |
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| 15:23.51 | SDr | hi! |
| 15:23.58 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: no, what's typical is people complaining about things occasionally breaking in testing... :P |
| 15:24.08 | namtorba | karlpinc: hehe .. good luck |
| 15:24.35 | Tigerboy | no it's typical that people that don't know what they are talking about try to pick arguments |
| 15:24.51 | namtorba | Tigerboy: and if you trtry to install it again ? |
| 15:24.57 | MrFrood | #debian-next on irc.debian.org for testing/unstable support |
| 15:25.03 | Tigerboy | things shouldn't break in any of the systems certainly not testing |
| 15:25.24 | Tigerboy | it forces the uninstall of gnome and many other programmes lol |
| 15:25.27 | namtorba | wtf .. it's called testing for a resaon .. you probably didn't do the dist upgrade .. so the stale libraries required it to remove VLC |
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| 15:25.54 | namtorba | judd: versions vlc |
| 15:25.54 | Tigerboy | it always do full upgrade |
| 15:25.55 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 1.1.11-2+b3; wheezy: 1.1.11-2+b3; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.11-2.1 |
| 15:26.03 | namtorba | well, vlc is in testing ... |
| 15:26.16 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: not trying to pick arguments, but testing is a moving target, and is prone to occasional breakage... |
| 15:26.25 | Tigerboy | it's just not set up right for the upgrade |
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| 15:26.42 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: if it's not upgrading right, file a bug |
| 15:26.43 | spersaud | when I restart my computer the screen becomes bright again :) |
| 15:27.09 | Tigerboy | yes I will thanks |
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| 15:27.18 | namtorba | it's not a bug .. it's the user |
| 15:27.21 | boudiccas | spersaud; its not a debian problem, its a hardware one |
| 15:27.22 | twobitsprite | people who "know what they're talking about" know this |
| 15:27.39 | Tigerboy | it's a bug like too many other things and theirs no excuse for it |
| 15:27.46 | spersaud | boudiccas: how do I fix it ? |
| 15:27.48 | namtorba | there's .. and it's not a bug |
| 15:27.51 | spersaud | drivers ? |
| 15:27.51 | boudiccas | spersaud; its in your settings, check the bios or power management settings |
| 15:27.56 | Tigerboy | it is a but |
| 15:27.58 | namtorba | Tigerboy: can you install VLC now? |
| 15:27.59 | Tigerboy | bug |
| 15:28.03 | Tigerboy | no |
| 15:28.05 | spersaud | boudiccas: oh really ? you think so huh ? |
| 15:28.07 | namtorba | why not? |
| 15:28.11 | namtorba | use a pastebin |
| 15:28.12 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: ugh... software has bugs, that's a fact of life... expecting everything to always work 100% all the time is unrealistic, especially WHEN ITS TESTING |
| 15:28.18 | namtorba | twobitsprite: drop it, move on |
| 15:28.20 | Tigerboy | because it forces the uninstall of other programmes |
| 15:28.24 | spersaud | boudiccas: what about probing the kernel ? |
| 15:28.25 | namtorba | Tigerboy: pastebin |
| 15:28.32 | namtorba | use paste.debian.net please |
| 15:28.59 | spersaud | boudiccas: give me one of those hackish looking commands, something el33t .. show me your progress |
| 15:29.00 | boudiccas | spersaud; i'd check the power settings first, especially as it stays bright when you unplug it |
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| 15:29.14 | spersaud | boudiccas: it goes dull, and stays dull |
| 15:29.22 | spersaud | even when I plug the power back in |
| 15:29.33 | boudiccas | spersaud; thats not what you said earlier |
| 15:29.52 | spersaud | boudiccas: well that is the case |
| 15:30.00 | ner0x | Thinking about learning mutt or pine, any suggestions? |
| 15:30.12 | spersaud | ner0x: mutt |
| 15:30.13 | twobitsprite | ner0x: I prefer mutt |
| 15:30.22 | namtorba | ner0x: alpine gets myvote :) |
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| 15:30.44 | spersaud | ner0x: why dont you use gmail like everyone else |
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| 15:31.53 | MrFrood | +1 alpine/pine |
| 15:32.06 | boudiccas | +1 mutt |
| 15:32.10 | rgr | If you want a challenge the gnus. Easily the most powerful news/mail client in existence. |
| 15:32.14 | ner0x | spersaud: I do use gmail. Wanted to use mutt to view it. |
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| 15:32.34 | MrFrood | and spersaud alpine works well with gmails imap mode |
| 15:32.34 | lord_daemon | hi friends :D |
| 15:32.37 | spersaud | ner0x: its kind of complicated, http://www.andrews-corner.org/mutt.html |
| 15:32.47 | spersaud | ner0x: good luck |
| 15:33.04 | ner0x | spersaud: I'll figure it out. Been around linux quite a while. :-) |
| 15:33.14 | namtorba | still no paste eh .. |
| 15:33.43 | lord_daemon | i'll to install debian in the my machine. I count on your help |
| 15:33.45 | lord_daemon | :D |
| 15:33.59 | spersaud | battaglin: now it works as it should, strange, will have to keep an eye on it, ... I was like why is this screen so dark ... thanks for you help |
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| 15:38.38 | djura-san | howto 3d with nouveau on sid? |
| 15:38.59 | djura-san | I really wanna just use basic one to speed up some apps |
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| 15:40.18 | thewanderer1 | well, first you need to get Sid to work... |
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| 15:44.20 | djura-san | hm, just sumbled upon this package "libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental" |
| 15:46.09 | karlpinc | namtorba: Looks like python 2.6 has the mail package that does this stuff. I just hate to re-invent the wheel. Somebody wrote this program already. |
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| 15:47.17 | calculon_ | did anybody saw Torvalds? |
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| 15:47.50 | boudiccas | calculon_; is he alright after being sawed? |
| 15:48.03 | calculon_ | mb) |
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| 15:49.03 | namtorba | karlpinc: good |
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| 15:50.11 | calculon_ | can we start hollywar python vs bash? |
| 15:50.37 | tensorpudding | no, that's offtopic |
| 15:50.46 | calculon_ | why? |
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| 15:51.03 | tensorpudding | this channel is for debian support |
| 15:51.11 | donttrustem | anyone know how to stop firefox automatically putting in www |
| 15:51.32 | namtorba | it doesn't ? |
| 15:51.47 | donttrustem | it does here |
| 15:52.04 | namtorba | then you've done that .. or the remote server is doing a redirectl |
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| 15:52.07 | djura-san | so i installed libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package but im not sure how to check if my basic 3d is working. Any tips for that? |
| 15:52.07 | donttrustem | i type an intranet address and it puts www infront |
| 15:52.34 | calculon_ | glxgears |
| 15:52.44 | calculon_ | install mesa-utils |
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| 15:53.03 | mplabs | Hello! |
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| 15:55.14 | calculon_ | guys, what kind of beer do u like? |
| 15:55.33 | boudiccas | calculon_; off topic |
| 15:55.37 | calculon_ | is it offtopic too? |
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| 15:55.49 | calculon_ | debian+beer=love |
| 15:55.57 | calculon_ | no? |
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| 15:56.35 | Matt__ | OT: did anyone try to block Skype using a Belking router? I would like to do so but my router doesn't seem so flexible as to block specific protocols on a specific port. any idea? |
| 15:57.05 | Matt__ | is there any other way? |
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| 15:57.21 | zinx | Matt__: Skype designed their protocol to be very hard to block, from what I understand |
| 15:57.23 | zumbi | iptables? |
| 15:57.25 | djura-san | calculon_: thanks mate. I will try it right away |
| 15:57.36 | donttrustem | is going to loose it with dnsmasq it resolve OK then 10 minutes later stops resolving WTF |
| 15:57.47 | Matt__ | iptables, where? zumbi |
| 15:57.58 | zumbi | Matt__: on debian |
| 15:58.06 | Matt__ | zinx, I know but there're ways, the only problem is that your router has to be good enough :P |
| 15:58.36 | zumbi | Matt__: use debian as a router? |
| 15:58.38 | djura-san | calculon_: if everything is okay, i will see geras right? |
| 15:58.39 | zinx | Matt__: ^^ |
| 15:58.42 | djura-san | *gears |
| 15:58.43 | Matt__ | zumbi, I'm the only one who use Debian here, the point is that skype is used in other computers on the same network I am |
| 15:59.02 | zumbi | Matt__: squid? |
| 15:59.36 | Matt__ | ahm |
| 16:00.21 | zumbi | Matt__: well, I mean you can use a Debian box as a router, then you can cache pages, filter packets, mark packets, all that fun... |
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| 16:00.58 | blackalegator | hi all! |
| 16:01.07 | blackalegator | Could someone help me with iptables? |
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| 16:01.16 | Matt__ | haha it would be nice but I can't change the router, I was looking for a way to achieve it using my Belking router |
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| 16:01.54 | blackalegator | I am trying to redirect all the incoming connections at port 25565 to another ip with the same port. After googling for hours this is where Ive got |
| 16:01.55 | Matt__ | it does have a firewall but it's pretty basic I'm afraid |
| 16:02.09 | blackalegator | sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 25565 -j DNAT --to-destination <ip>:<port> |
| 16:02.20 | blackalegator | It doesnt work though( |
| 16:03.46 | Matt__ | oh, I have an idea! |
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| 16:04.36 | blackalegator | Looks like I wont find it... |
| 16:04.45 | Matt__ | what if I set a custom DNSs server that can't resolve the IP for any Skype server? haha |
| 16:04.53 | Matt__ | zumbi, that would work, right? |
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| 16:05.25 | zumbi | maybe |
| 16:05.30 | des_ | !install xorg |
| 16:05.30 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 16:05.39 | des_ | !install kde |
| 16:05.40 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 16:06.27 | Matt__ | now the problem is how or where to find such a DNS server |
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| 16:09.24 | Matt__ | does anyone know any free service to setup and use a custom DNSs server? |
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| 16:12.34 | wols_ | why would a service allow you to run your own dns server? that makes no sense. if you need a free DNS server which resolves your domain, enter "free dns" into google and choose from a dozem |
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| 16:19.27 | spersaud | ner0x: Im trying to get it to work too, any luck ? certs are already in /etc/ssl/certs :) no need to generate those certs |
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| 16:20.37 | des_ | !install x11 |
| 16:20.42 | des_ | !install xorg |
| 16:20.43 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
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| 16:23.59 | spersaud | what is the difference between mail and mutt ? |
| 16:24.23 | des_ | !install kde |
| 16:24.23 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
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| 16:24.49 | des_ | !kde |
| 16:24.49 | dpkg | K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 16:26.04 | jhutchins_lt | !tell des_ about message the bot |
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| 16:27.09 | jhutchins_lt | des_: Well, that's a little out of date. You can also /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 16:27.10 | des_ | jhutchins_lt thanks and sorry for spamming :) |
| 16:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | des_: Sometimes it's useful to have the message out in the open when you're discussing things. |
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| 16:34.35 | Parsind | anyone need any help? |
| 16:34.44 | mosno | why aren't dpkg's status and available files just a single file? |
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| 16:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | mosno: Usually databases use things like index files to speed queries. |
| 16:35.26 | Parsind | you should ask the devs |
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| 16:36.02 | mosno | jhutchins_lt: neither is an index... |
| 16:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | mosno: Sounds like you already know the answer then. |
| 16:36.57 | mosno | jhutchins_lt: i honestly don't |
| 16:37.09 | Parsind | are you having problems using dpkg? |
| 16:37.23 | mosno | Parsind: just trying to understand the system |
| 16:38.00 | mosno | as far as i can see, each package's record only differs by two fields in status and available. |
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| 16:38.41 | mosno | status has Status but not Size; available has Size but not Status |
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| 16:39.02 | mosno | i don't see why this just can't be one file |
| 16:39.11 | mosno | ie. what the rationale/history is here |
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| 16:39.52 | namtorba | mosno: they record different things |
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| 16:40.19 | boudiccas | mosno; are you bored? |
| 16:40.19 | mosno | namtorba: do you have any more details besides what i pointed out? |
| 16:40.29 | mosno | boudiccas: no |
| 16:41.18 | namtorba | mosno: imagine if you were to update the status of one package .. you'd have to parse that whole file ... |
| 16:41.19 | mosno | it's just that everywhere i look it only makes a passing reference to status/available... doesn't explain it in detail |
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| 16:42.28 | mosno | namtorba: doesn't this happen anyway for the status file? i don't see your point. |
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| 16:44.44 | mosno | i can understand having status as the smaller file to do quicker updates on, but then why have all that duplcate information between status and available? |
| 16:44.59 | mosno | meh |
| 16:45.23 | Parsind | its linus yet another file |
| 16:45.30 | mosno | i'm sure one of these years i'll figure it out |
| 16:45.39 | mosno | Parsind: linus? |
| 16:45.43 | Parsind | linux |
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| 16:45.55 | Parsind | they like to duplicate stuff |
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| 16:46.11 | mosno | Parsind: i'm guessing there's some historic reason |
| 16:46.32 | Parsind | maybe compatibility |
| 16:46.41 | mosno | i guess i really want to know which file is changed when, and how |
| 16:47.03 | Parsind | just look at the time stamp |
| 16:47.16 | mosno | ... |
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| 16:48.22 | Parsind | but who cares |
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| 16:48.30 | Parsind | isnt it working? |
| 16:48.51 | Parsind | dont fix it if aint broken |
| 16:48.52 | mosno | this is FOSS... if no one cared, nothing would get done |
| 16:49.01 | mosno | i'm not fixing anything, just learning |
| 16:49.09 | hichamat | I want restart the X session so I do /etc/init.d/gdm restart , now how I can start it again ? (startx doesn't work) |
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| 16:49.45 | Tectu | hi people. Can you help me? I am searching for the grub stage files. Can't find them in /boot/grub/stage* or /etc/default/grub |
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| 16:50.31 | boudiccas | hichamat; CTRL + ALT + backspace will restart x |
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| 16:51.23 | Tectu | so, can anyone tell me, where i can find the grub stage files? |
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| 16:51.54 | hichamat | boudiccas: thanks it works |
| 16:52.03 | boudiccas | hichamat; yw |
| 16:52.39 | enjoycrf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.39 | enjoycrf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.39 | enjoycrf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.39 | enjoycrf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.39 | enjoycrf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.16 | Parsind | lol |
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| 16:54.36 | b0mbadil | hello |
| 16:54.52 | Black_Prince | dpkg, lol |
| 16:54.52 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 16:56.01 | Parsind | muhahahah |
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| 16:56.24 | dwfreed | dpkg: heh |
| 16:56.24 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
| 16:56.25 | Parsind | i wasn't laughing out loud |
| 16:56.35 | ghoti | So ... newbie question here. If I've inherited a Lenny box whose available packages are all pretty old, is there a repository I can add to /etc/apt/sources.list that will give me newer versions of software? I'd prefer to go with packages so I can track what I install, rather than compiling from source. |
| 16:56.41 | rgr | hichamat: that SHOULD restart it |
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| 16:56.42 | Parsind | i was calling him Lamer On Line |
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| 16:57.13 | rgr | ghoti: why not just upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 16:58.05 | neoice | ghoti: I would use apt-pinning, but you really should move off of Lenny altogether soon. |
| 16:58.13 | hichamat | rgr: the command ? yes but it doesn't work |
| 16:58.14 | ghoti | rgr, it's a VM, and I don't have console access. |
| 16:58.30 | ghoti | s/VM/VPS/ |
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| 16:58.46 | rgr | VPS? |
| 16:59.02 | neoice | virtual private server, like linode, rackspace, etc |
| 16:59.10 | grand_grunt | Hi. I am trying to use a different repository for VLC packages to avoid a bug in the Squeeze version of VLC. I've added the rep, done the /etc/apt/preferences.d/vlc file, and apt-cache policy shows everything to 500, even if there is a 1001 in my preferences file. |
| 16:59.18 | grand_grunt | Also: I've done aptitude update. |
| 16:59.23 | ghoti | Virtual Private Server. It's got some production stuff on it, and I can't risk screwing it up just because I don't know what I'm doing. :P |
| 16:59.47 | grand_grunt | I just don't get why aptitude doesn't "sees" the preferences file. |
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| 17:01.00 | grand_grunt | This is my source.list: http://pastebin.com/KZY5yLr0 this is my /etc/apt/preferences.d/vlc file: http://pastebin.com/21xxfDpx |
| 17:01.03 | neoice | grand_grunt: pastebin the prefs file? I feel like I've had issues with preferences.d because I had a minor typo or something silly |
| 17:01.08 | ghoti | I see some references to "backports", but few definitions. Are backports the newer versions of packages built for older versions of Debian? |
| 17:01.49 | larsl | Hello, does anyone know of a tool that will do incremental backups of block devices? E.g. from one USB stick to another of the same size. |
| 17:02.06 | grand_grunt | I forgot a bit from the source.list, there is also the "deb" Debian version, not only deb-src. |
| 17:02.13 | boudiccas | larsl; rsync |
| 17:02.27 | larsl | I basically want to back up encrypted filesystems without decrypting them, and I'm hoping that small changes in the filesystem results in a small number of changed blocks so that incremental backups make sense. |
| 17:02.40 | larsl | boudiccas: I tried that, it keeps saying "not a regular file, skipping". |
| 17:02.52 | neoice | grand_grunt: this is one of mine: http://pastebin.com/WVnaUKis I don't recall what o=,c= does |
| 17:03.16 | larsl | I suppose I could implement the rsync algorithm myself, or write a FUSE system that maps device files as ordinary files, but if there already is a tool that works I'd rather use that. |
| 17:03.47 | grand_grunt | neoice: Hm, I suppose I could mix up Squeeze and testing and use VLC from testing. |
| 17:03.56 | neoice | larsl: tarsnap? |
| 17:03.58 | grand_grunt | That would avoid my trouble :] |
| 17:04.12 | larsl | neoice: I haven't heard of that, I'll take a look. |
| 17:04.16 | ghoti | tarsnap is cool. |
| 17:04.18 | neoice | grand_grunt: I wouldn't recommend that neccessarily, I was just giving you an example config that I know works for what I'm doing |
| 17:04.54 | neoice | larsl: tarsnap is a paid-service, but it's basically encrypted rsync. it's very cheap and the guy that runs it is a huge supporter of open-source |
| 17:05.08 | grand_grunt | neoice: Yes. But I've read the man for apt_preferences, twice, and there is not a single bit of misconfiguration as far as I can see. |
| 17:05.16 | grand_grunt | and still 500 priority for everything. |
| 17:06.06 | grand_grunt | And it is boring to have a not running VLC. |
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| 17:07.19 | ghoti | neoice: also, the guy who runs tarsnap started university at age 13 and got his Ph.D from cambridge in crypto. He's insanely smart. :) |
| 17:08.20 | ghoti | tries to figure out what to add to sources.list to get lenny-backports |
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| 17:08.41 | alfplayer | Hi. I was wondering if it common to lose data when the PC loses power (e.g. because of blackouts). Especially using debian/linux as a desktop, using ext4, with desktop apps. |
| 17:08.44 | spersaud | ghoti: whats tarsnap ? |
| 17:09.10 | grand_grunt | Tsss, apt_preferences are getting me mad. |
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| 17:09.32 | Bushmills | alfplayer: even though you can't exclude that possibility, it is not something happening frequently |
| 17:10.04 | spersaud | ghoti: why are you so impressed by this guy ? cryptography is not a terribly difficult subject, plus other people are constantly breaking the cryptography, ie RSA 1024 |
| 17:10.12 | Bushmills | what hasn't been written to disk yet, and resided in RAM only, will be gone, of course |
| 17:10.17 | somiaj | alfplayer: the journaling file system is supose to help limit the amount of data loss due to improper shutdowns, though its not fail proof, it helps a lot of the time. Best to just get a power backup. |
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| 17:10.20 | alfplayer | Bushmills: thanks, that's what i was thinking |
| 17:10.23 | grand_grunt | Why the hell does Debian want to delete wine when I try to use VLC from testing instead of VLC from stable? Am I doing stuff that wrong? |
| 17:10.24 | ghoti | spersaud: http://www.tarsnap.com/ - it's an online backup tool for "the truly paranoid". |
| 17:10.54 | somiaj | grand_grunt: yes you DO NOT install testing packages on stable. You get backports |
| 17:11.02 | larsl | neoice: It looks like a online backup system. I want to do local backups, from device to device. |
| 17:11.03 | spersaud | ghoti: I think pgp is some of the best security available right now |
| 17:11.07 | larsl | E.g. plug in the USB stick with the encrypted filesystem on it, plug in the backup stick, run the program to transfer all changed blocks to the backup stick. |
| 17:11.26 | ghoti | spersaud: I've met him, and unlike so many very technical people, he is actually social and communicates well. He's also the FreeBSD security officer, I think. |
| 17:11.30 | alfplayer | i know major ext4 data corruption bugs are solved, mostly i wonder about apps not taking necessary precautions |
| 17:11.32 | Bushmills | grand_grunt: because testing vlc probably needs more up-to-date libs which conflict with installed libs |
| 17:11.42 | tensorpudding | spersaud: RSA isn't broken in a meaningful sense |
| 17:11.54 | Bushmills | and you haven't opted for installing newer versions |
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| 17:11.57 | spersaud | tensorpudding: right |
| 17:12.19 | tensorpudding | side channel attacks are interesting, but don't attack the actual algorithms |
| 17:12.28 | ghoti | ah - my question is answered by http://serverfault.com/questions/287118/is-debian-lenny-backports-safe-to-use-on-lenny . Yay. |
| 17:12.28 | grand_grunt | Bushmills: Yes.. that would be nice if there could be two different versions of the libs. |
| 17:12.55 | Bushmills | or the more recent versions of those libs conflict with again other packages which will be removed to resolve the conflicts |
| 17:13.33 | Bushmills | grand_grunt: it would also be nice to not mix distributions to avoid such problems |
| 17:13.38 | larsl | Shouldn't library packages be renamed when they break compatibility? |
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| 17:14.14 | Bushmills | or to not mix versions, in your case |
| 17:14.23 | ghoti | spersaud: sure, PGP provides excellent security, but it's a tool for a particular job. If what you need is an online backup too, PGP is only a component. |
| 17:14.43 | ghoti | s/oo,/ool/ |
| 17:14.58 | petemc | pgp is prone to breaking ime |
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| 17:18.20 | grand_grunt | Bushmills: And, it is nice to have the possibilty of downloading the source of VLC and compile them. |
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| 17:18.44 | spersaud | when will they fix the update manager ? |
| 17:18.52 | spersaud | it never works right |
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| 17:22.36 | namtorba | so don't use it? |
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| 17:31.19 | ghoti | I still need some backports help. I've added "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run `apt-get update`, but the package I'm looking for doesn't seem to be there. From my read of the Contents file, it seems lenny-backports includes only 2700 or so packages. Am I getting this right? |
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| 17:31.56 | boudiccas | ghoti; what package are you looking for? |
| 17:32.18 | ghoti | tinyproxy, newer than version 1.6. Preferably version 1.8. |
| 17:32.37 | boudiccas | ,versions tinyproxy |
| 17:32.38 | judd | Package tinyproxy on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.3-3.2; squeeze: 1.8.2-1squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.8.2-1squeeze1; sid: 1.8.2-2; wheezy: 1.8.2-2 |
| 17:32.59 | ghoti | right, hence backports. |
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| 17:33.21 | boudiccas | ghoti; if you can upgrade to squeeze you can have your wish |
| 17:34.04 | ghoti | alas, that's not an option at this time. :( This is a remote VPS with some production stuff on it, and I can't risk taking it down indefinitely. |
| 17:34.14 | SerajewelKS | ghoti: you can backport it yourself |
| 17:34.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell ghoti about ssb |
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| 17:34.34 | ghoti | SerajewelKS: I guess I can toss myself into the deep end. <sigh> |
| 17:34.55 | SerajewelKS | only backport from squeeze, not sid |
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| 17:35.11 | ghoti | ya, I gather that I just always want to avoid sid. :) |
| 17:35.22 | ghoti | Thanks. |
| 17:35.23 | SerajewelKS | especially on a production server |
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| 17:42.46 | namtorba | ghoti: you can backport it from any version of Debian you want |
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| 17:48.59 | mark_u | anyone here familiar with getting LSI MegaRAID SAS controllers going in debian? I'm unable to get the driver to load upon installation.. following all their instructions in http://www.lsi.com/downloads/Public/MegaRAID%20Common%20Files/Debian5.0.x_05_30.zip to no avail. makes no sense as its a pretty standard driver |
| 17:49.44 | namtorba | mark_u: that driver is already in Debian .. but there is more than one driver IIRC |
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| 17:50.14 | mark_u | yeah none of the included versions work either. tries detecting it for 1-3 seconds, then goes back to the driver list in the installer. |
| 17:50.29 | namtorba | got the PCIID? |
| 17:50.45 | mark_u | their instructions ask to copy the .ko off the disk into the drivers/scsi/megaraid folder and attempt detecting the disks again, doesnt work. |
| 17:50.50 | namtorba | mark_u: and that driver is for lenny, not squeeze |
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| 17:51.17 | mark_u | yeah I am running lenny. interestingly I had tried the supplied drivers in squeeze and they didnt work either |
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| 17:51.46 | mark_u | namtorba: where do i get the pciid? just lspci |
| 17:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | mark_u: lspci -nn |
| 17:53.22 | namtorba | mark_u: did you try squeeze? |
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| 17:54.40 | mark_u | namtorba: sorry, I meant that I actually tried installing squeeze with the supplied drivers. |
| 17:54.42 | mark_u | no go |
| 17:55.09 | mark_u | output pertaining to LSI is "RAID bus controller 0104 LSI Logic / Symbios Logic Device [1000:0073 rev 03 |
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| 17:55.41 | namtorba | mark_u: we want the asdf:asdf at the end |
| 17:55.52 | mark_u | thats all that was there |
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| 17:55.54 | Martiini | anyone know ?? -- wheezy installation default packages .... or whatever its called .. like .. a list I can dpkg --set-selections < ~/packages.list && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
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| 17:56.00 | mark_u | is that not sufficient? |
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| 17:56.29 | bl4ckh0l3 | hi |
| 17:56.33 | mark_u | namtorba: seems to appear in pcidatabase.com |
| 17:56.45 | bl4ckh0l3 | How can I install debian squeeze from usb drive? |
| 17:56.57 | Tigerboy | mark_u: try pci-id |
| 17:57.02 | mgelman | if I export cflag options for gcc, and then use make-kpkg, does make-kpkg use those cflags just like make would? |
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| 17:57.08 | namtorba | mark_u: the 1000:00073? that's not it i don't think |
| 17:57.23 | mark_u | namtorba: it does show up here: http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=239 |
| 17:58.22 | mark_u | Tigerboy: thats not a valid command. this is just busybox in the debian installer |
| 17:59.18 | mark_u | 1000:0073 is my model though. LSI Megaraid SAS 9240-8i |
| 17:59.26 | Tigerboy | mark_u: I think you can use lspci quite well for pci-id function |
| 18:00.21 | Tigerboy | mark_u: try lspci -nn |
| 18:00.33 | namtorba | we already covered that |
| 18:00.35 | mark_u | tigerboy: see above |
| 18:00.40 | Tigerboy | oh ok |
| 18:01.19 | mark_u | man i thought i picked a decent card for this box im building but what a hassle. it seems like everything should just work but its not |
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| 18:02.03 | Tigerboy | Mark_u: I always make sure I add all the drivers which are not in by default with deb (sorry if you covered that too) |
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| 18:02.41 | mark_u | tigerboy: i tried the stock drivers, then I tried using LSI's instructions for dropping in their .ko file into the scsi/drivers/megaraid directory and attempting the "detect drives" again. no go |
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| 18:02.43 | namtorba | anyway ... |
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| 18:03.14 | Tigerboy | mark_u: ok so you put in the nonfree driver packs in the repos |
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| 18:03.55 | mark_u | eh? I burned a debian 5.x CD and popped it in.. then I burned a cd with LSI drivers too after the fact and tried copying them into the modules dir via busybox |
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| 18:04.23 | mark_u | i cant get debian installed here because it wont detect the controller :) |
| 18:04.26 | Tigerboy | mark_u: let me try to hunt for that a sec |
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| 18:04.57 | mark_u | namtorba: i know you have an answer |
| 18:04.58 | Tigerboy | mark_u: shoot try to do the advanced install options? |
| 18:05.14 | mark_u | how will that assist? |
| 18:05.26 | mark_u | i did try the expert install, it doesnt make a difference |
| 18:05.47 | Tigerboy | mark_u: I can't say precisely but I do recall solving it on some systems by using the advanced route in the install menu |
| 18:06.04 | mark_u | I get to "detect drives", try all megaraid drivers, none work, ALT-F2 out, copy megaraid_sas.ko into modules dir from LSI disc, "detect drives" again, no go. |
| 18:06.20 | mark_u | hm |
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| 18:08.39 | Tigerboy | we have the same problem with some of our centos servers I"m asking how it was fixed but it could take a while |
| 18:10.07 | mark_u | well im hooped right now |
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| 18:10.23 | Waiti123 | Hello folks, i'd like to copy a clean Debian Squeeze installation to an external media in case for rollback what could i do? My Partition Raid1 mdo sda2 sdb2 |
| 18:10.43 | valdyn_ | !mondo |
| 18:10.43 | dpkg | Mondo Rescue is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. http://www.mondorescue.org/docs/mondorescue-howto.html#FAQ http://trac.mondorescue.org/wiki/FAQ http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 18:10.54 | karlpinc | mark_u: Is that a real raid card or just another case of marketing software raid as real raid? (Unless you're an enterprise and have extra compatible raid cards on-hand when your controller dies you're better off using Linux software raid so you can pop in another controller without losing your data.) |
| 18:11.27 | mark_u | karlpinc: it's a real raid card.. i think it was a $300 model its nothing crazy |
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| 18:12.22 | karlpinc | mark_u: It does not need special drivers to do raid? (That's where the software raid lives.) I'm thinking you might want to turn the raid-ness off. |
| 18:12.38 | Tigerboy | Mark_u: I just received a note back-- try changing to cable select in bios the main guys that a fixed it are not in yet and I will let you know when I get something. |
| 18:13.10 | Tigerboy | cable select on the drives * |
| 18:13.22 | mark_u | as in.. put a jumper on them? |
| 18:13.27 | mark_u | where am i going to get 8 little jumpers haha |
| 18:13.27 | Tigerboy | he said in bios but it is on the dives |
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| 18:13.35 | Tigerboy | lol |
| 18:13.51 | mark_u | also, wtf. that seems bizzarre |
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| 18:14.06 | mark_u | but i guess at this point i have nothing else |
| 18:14.11 | Tigerboy | well I'm not certain but if there is any problem with the jumpers you can fix it by so doing... you most likely have a jumper on them |
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| 18:14.35 | karlpinc | Tigerboy: SATA drives don't have cable select. |
| 18:15.09 | Tigerboy | oh ok again I missed the beginning of the conversation well that is all I got from one tech |
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| 18:15.37 | Tigerboy | then also make certain the raid is set up in bios well... |
| 18:15.57 | Tigerboy | can it be detected by windows 7 install disk as an example |
| 18:16.15 | mark_u | well i setup a raid10 without issue in the raid WebBIOS |
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| 18:18.04 | fasta | My sound stopped working in Squeeze. Likely after a reboot it will work again, but this isn't Windows... right? |
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| 18:19.55 | mark_u | karlpinc: you said special drivers to do raid.. i dont think thats the case. the driver is one piece |
| 18:19.57 | Tigerboy | ok mark_u: maybe try to switch the raid bios to legacy ata mode to facilitate the installation phase. |
| 18:20.18 | mark_u | tigerboy that would only be useful if i were using the onboard raid for the motherboard.. this is a PCI card |
| 18:20.23 | mark_u | no? |
| 18:20.50 | Tigerboy | other way is to build on a pata drive and migrate over to sata once the installation is complete |
| 18:21.02 | mark_u | that is doable i guess |
| 18:21.17 | Tigerboy | mark_u: ok got you but maybe the bios allows that to be changed for the card perhaps |
| 18:21.33 | mark_u | dont think so.. heh. |
| 18:21.46 | Tigerboy | mark_u: once you get through the install deb is very stable -- sometimes it can be like giving birth |
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| 18:22.13 | mark_u | oh i know. my speciality is managing debian after its installed. lawl |
| 18:22.22 | Tigerboy | lol |
| 18:22.30 | fasta | alsamixer gives me: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 18:22.56 | boudiccas | fasta; is alsamixer installed? |
| 18:23.12 | mgelman | mgelman |
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| 18:24.30 | fasta | boudiccas: otherwise it would not give that message. |
| 18:24.38 | jhutchins_kc | !alsa checklist |
| 18:24.38 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 18:25.31 | jhutchins | fasta: That message usually means you don't have permissions to access the audio device, which item 1 above addresses. |
| 18:25.52 | fasta | jhutchins: I am in the audio group (and I already was) |
| 18:26.12 | jhutchins | fasta: Did you log out and log back in? |
| 18:26.13 | fasta | jhutchins: I think Opera still 'owns' the audio resource. |
| 18:26.20 | jhutchins | fasta: What release are you on? |
| 18:26.25 | fasta | jhutchins: Squeeze |
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| 18:27.02 | fasta | jhutchins: the operapluginwrapper has crashed tens of times. |
| 18:27.23 | fasta | jhutchins: other than that, I haven't seen anything odd. |
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| 18:27.45 | fasta | Also, I don't think one application should be able to remove the sound capability. |
| 18:27.57 | spersaud | you are all scumbags |
| 18:28.17 | spersaud | *joke* |
| 18:28.37 | fasta | jhutchins: the odd thing is that only rhythmbox and some other applications appear to be broken. |
| 18:28.50 | Martiini | help me !!!!!! |
| 18:28.52 | fasta | jhutchins: amarok works surprisingly |
| 18:29.07 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 18:29.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:29.20 | Martiini | !ask |
| 18:29.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:29.26 | fasta | jhutchins: any idea? |
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| 18:30.05 | mark_u | namtorba: what happened you were on a roll of ideas :) |
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| 18:30.20 | foofoobar | Hi |
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| 18:31.25 | foofoobar | I added http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all to my sources.list some time ago to install php5.3 |
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| 18:32.03 | thewanderer1 | how do I start VLC with a given geometry? |
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| 18:32.20 | foofoobar | Now I want to install php5-cgi with apt-get but I get the error: |
| 18:32.22 | foofoobar | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:32.22 | foofoobar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.27 | foofoobar | What should I do now? |
| 18:32.38 | ner0x | Do you know what a dependency is? |
| 18:33.38 | simonlnu | foofoobar: remove the dotdeb crap from your sources.list, update, then try again |
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| 18:34.34 | foofoobar | simonlnu: tried, same error |
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| 18:35.06 | thewanderer1 | foofoobar: remove your php packages, then install them again |
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| 18:35.20 | valdyn_ | foofoobar: not you cant get the same error when no dotdeb package is available |
| 18:36.12 | foofoobar | apt-get remove php5;apt-get update;apt-get install php5 php5-cgi |
| 18:36.15 | foofoobar | same error |
| 18:36.21 | foofoobar | is there a cache of packages? |
| 18:36.23 | fasta | jhutchins: the problem seems to be that it wants to connect to an unconnected microphone :/ |
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| 18:36.33 | Tigerboy | mark_u: they just said the megaraid2 drivers should work(other megaraids are sometimes fakeraid and other drivers)... or try pata for install followed by migrate |
| 18:36.39 | fasta | Why it would ever want to do such a thing is beyond me. |
| 18:36.41 | valdyn_ | foofoobar: you forgot to remove your dotdeb sources in between |
| 18:36.50 | foofoobar | valdyn_: I did |
| 18:36.56 | foofoobar | before |
| 18:37.09 | valdyn_ | foofoobar: there cant be the same error when that dotdeb package isnt available |
| 18:37.12 | foofoobar | does apt caches packages? |
| 18:37.24 | foofoobar | maybe the apt-get install php5 does not download a new package |
| 18:37.33 | valdyn | foofoobar: thats irrelevant, does it cache lists, yes, but apt-get update takes care of that part |
| 18:37.35 | foofoobar | so it uses the package in cache (dot deb version) |
| 18:37.43 | somiaj | foofoobar: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:38.12 | mark_u | tigerboy: how hard is it to migrate afterwards. would i just dd the entire drive onto my raid array after |
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| 18:39.36 | Tigerboy | yes it should work fine-- but I would first try to see if the megaraid2 drivers solve the issue |
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| 18:39.46 | somiaj | foofoobar: look at "apt-cache policy php5" -- because the dotdeb has a newer version 5.3.5 as opposed to 5.2.6, its not going to want to install the older version unless you manually tell it to |
| 18:39.51 | fasta | How do I tell ALSA to use a certain device? |
| 18:39.52 | Tigerboy | sounds more like an installer problem |
| 18:39.56 | somiaj | foofoobar: or apt-cache policy php5-common |
| 18:40.07 | fasta | It seems to just take a guess at the world and .. fail. |
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| 18:40.29 | valdyn | fasta: set your default device in ~/.asoundrc - google knows how to do that |
| 18:40.34 | fasta | $ LC_ALL=C alsamixer |
| 18:40.34 | fasta | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 18:40.39 | fasta | valdyn: also for that problem? |
| 18:40.40 | somiaj | fasta: you can configure your asoundrc to tell which device is default -- as for actual appilcations most allow you to choose which device to actually use. |
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| 18:41.05 | fasta | That error message is also really bad. |
| 18:41.15 | fasta | 'mixer' is not an absolute file name. |
| 18:41.15 | Tigerboy | mark_u:check if you can maybe mount the drives with a live dvd/cdrom |
| 18:41.19 | valdyn | fasta: thats an unrelated problem, one that sais that you have no sound card |
| 18:41.22 | fasta | As such it doesn't actually mean anything. |
| 18:41.22 | somiaj | fasta: cat /proc/asound/cards (do you have any modules actually loaded, 'no device' sounds like you dont have any modules loaded. |
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| 18:41.33 | mark_u | tigerboy: i'll try a knoppix livecd |
| 18:41.40 | fasta | somiaj: 3 cards are listed. |
| 18:41.42 | foofoobar | valdyn, somiaj: it works now, but now I have php526 installed and not php53 :/ |
| 18:41.56 | fasta | somiaj: tons of modules are loaded, including the right one. |
| 18:41.58 | valdyn | foofoobar: thats ok, we dont support dotdeb |
| 18:42.05 | Tigerboy | mark_u: good idea it's basicly live deb and the projects have reintegrated |
| 18:42.11 | valdyn | judd: versions php5 |
| 18:42.12 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8-1; wheezy: 5.3.8-1; sid: 5.3.8-2 |
| 18:42.14 | fasta | somiaj: in fact, amarok is playing sound right now. |
| 18:42.32 | somiaj | fasta: try alsamixer -c 0, alsamixer -c 1, etc for each card |
| 18:42.54 | fasta | somiaj: that works. |
| 18:43.00 | foofoobar | so using dotdeb is not a good idea? |
| 18:43.12 | fasta | foofoobar: is it your friend? |
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| 18:43.20 | valdyn | foofoobar: looks like squeeze has php 5.3, so why dont you upgrade to the latest stable debian release? |
| 18:43.25 | fasta | foofoobar: can you go to his house and slap him/sue him? |
| 18:43.41 | fasta | foofoobar: if the answer to any of those questions is no, then it is not a good idea. |
| 18:43.42 | foofoobar | fasta: no, but this repo is not as old as the lenny one i'm using.. |
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| 18:44.05 | fasta | foofoobar: it also depends on how much you care for getting hacked. |
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| 18:44.23 | foofoobar | fasta: I do, and php53 is much safer than php526.. |
| 18:44.26 | fasta | foofoobar: if you don't care to be part of a botnet, go ahead. |
| 18:44.39 | joelio | Is there any better support for software RAID 10 in the latest debian-installer? Or is it still a manual job? |
| 18:45.04 | somiaj | foofoobar: debian does patch its version of 5.26 against any known vulabilities. |
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| 18:45.32 | fasta | somiaj: so what is the root cause of the problem I have? |
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| 18:45.54 | somiaj | fasta: no clue, alsamixer only works if you put a '-c foo' flag? |
| 18:45.59 | fasta | somiaj: yes |
| 18:46.13 | valdyn | fasta: winmodem? |
| 18:46.18 | valdyn | fasta: i mean, do you have one? |
| 18:46.31 | koollman | foofoobar: lenny *is* old. you could upgrade to squeeze |
| 18:46.33 | fasta | valdyn: I do have an ancient soundcard in it. |
| 18:46.51 | fasta | valdyn: it is not in use, because there is some IRC conflict, AFAIK. |
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| 18:46.55 | fasta | valdyn: IRQ |
| 18:47.05 | valdyn | fasta: so that one could be on id 0 |
| 18:47.16 | foofoobar | somiaj> foofoobar: debian does patch its version of 5.26 against any known vulabilities. < yes, and php53 has a new security arch.. |
| 18:47.26 | valdyn | fasta: "cat /proc/asound/cards" , or did you show us that already? |
| 18:47.40 | foofoobar | koollman: but I don't want to upgrade the whole system just to use the current stable version of php53 |
| 18:47.59 | somiaj | foofoobar: well then install or make a backpot |
| 18:48.01 | koollman | foofoobar: well, the current stable version of php is in the current stable versoin of debian |
| 18:48.10 | fasta | valdyn: the first one is my microphone, the second one is my motherboard one and the third one comes from my graphics card. |
| 18:48.30 | valdyn | fasta: use a paste site |
| 18:48.32 | fasta | valdyn: the one with the conflict (an Audigy) is not listed. |
| 18:48.51 | valdyn | fasta: is that a usb microphone? |
| 18:49.21 | fasta | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/130244/ |
| 18:49.25 | fasta | valdyn: yes |
| 18:49.43 | valdyn | fasta: i find it strange that it has no mixer, but maybe thats ok |
| 18:49.50 | fasta | valdyn: (the one with the conflict is not an usb microphone. ) |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | fasta: so use ~/.asoundrc to set your default device |
| 18:50.02 | fasta | valdyn: but isn't this a bug? |
| 18:50.11 | valdyn | fasta: not having a mixer? |
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| 18:50.17 | mark_u | tigerboy: upon booting knoppix livecd i notice udevd saying timeout: killing sbin/modprobe.. etc. i noticed in the debian installer that it would just hang when i tried to modprobe the new module as well.. maybe an issue o rsomething |
| 18:50.34 | fasta | valdyn: not getting some curses interface. |
| 18:50.40 | valdyn | fasta: i dont know if thats a bug |
| 18:50.57 | valdyn | fasta: depends on the spec if thats a bug |
| 18:51.10 | fasta | valdyn: The top-left corner of alsamixer is the are to show some basic informa |
| 18:51.27 | fasta | valdyn: there is already a bug in the man page right there. |
| 18:51.34 | valdyn | fasta: ok |
| 18:51.38 | valdyn | fasta: so report it |
| 18:51.49 | valdyn | fasta: and use your ~/.asoundrc.. |
| 18:52.13 | fasta | valdyn: the reportbug program doesn't work. :) |
| 18:52.22 | valdyn | fasta: it works perfectly fine |
| 18:52.34 | fasta | valdyn: it crashes once every two times here. |
| 18:52.45 | fasta | valdyn: with an arithmetic exception. |
| 18:52.48 | valdyn | fasta: then you have bigger problems than just sound issues |
| 18:52.57 | fasta | valdyn: no, I don't. There is a bug. |
| 18:53.03 | fasta | valdyn: lots of people have that issue. |
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| 18:53.08 | valdyn | fasta: yea, broken hardware |
| 18:53.16 | fasta | valdyn: I traced it to gtk+-2.0. |
| 18:53.28 | fasta | valdyn: some python program breaks an assumption. |
| 18:53.39 | fasta | valdyn: and then in the end gtk+-2.0 breaks. |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn | fasta: i dont see where reportbug is a gtk+ program |
| 18:53.56 | fasta | valdyn: try starting it. |
| 18:53.59 | valdyn | fasta: maybe youre not using it, maybe youre talking about reportbug-ng |
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| 18:54.17 | valdyn | fasta: reportbug is a pure cli program |
| 18:54.21 | fasta | valdyn: I am talking about a program with name 'reportbug'. |
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| 18:54.39 | fasta | /usr/bin/reportbug |
| 18:54.40 | valdyn | fasta: so dont use it. |
| 18:54.50 | fasta | valdyn: how do I get the command line version? |
| 18:55.08 | valdyn | fasta: apt-get install reportbug |
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| 18:55.23 | Tigerboy | + |
| 18:55.25 | fasta | valdyn: that says it has already been installed. |
| 18:56.05 | mark_u | tigerboy: same deal in knoppix. shows up in lspci, megaraid_sas module loaded, but doesnt detect the disk |
| 18:56.23 | paese | someone here who also get an error ".: 34 : Can't open /etc/zce.rc" ? i'm trying to uninstall the whole zend server stack but somewhere is a bit hanging and I can't find where. I don't even know where to ask |
| 18:56.27 | valdyn | fasta: "dpkg -S /usr/bin/reportbug" gives what? |
| 18:56.55 | fasta | valdyn: reportbug: /usr/bin/reportbug |
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| 18:57.13 | valdyn | fasta: thats the right one in debian. Its not gtk. |
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| 18:57.24 | fasta | valdyn: it also has a dependency on python-reportbug. |
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| 18:57.58 | fasta | valdyn: 4.12.6 is the version of the package. |
| 18:58.01 | valdyn | fasta: right |
| 18:58.17 | fasta | valdyn: on my machine I get a gtk2 GUI when I run that. |
| 18:58.22 | valdyn | judd: versions reportbug |
| 18:58.22 | judd | Package reportbug on i386 -- lenny: 3.48; squeeze: 4.12.6; wheezy: 6.2; sid: 6.2.1 |
| 18:58.54 | fasta | valdyn: I don't have the -ng version installed. |
| 18:59.32 | valdyn | fasta: ok, edit /etc/reportbug.conf and switch to an interface that works |
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| 19:01.09 | fasta | valdyn: that seems to work. Thanks. |
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| 19:03.34 | tqrst | latex always errors out with "This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (TeX Live 2009/Debian) ---! /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdftex/latex.fmt doesn't match pdftex.pool", even on the simplest tex file. Any ideas how to fix this? (I also asked in #latex but it's a slow channel, and I've only had this issue on debian) |
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| 19:03.52 | Sid8 | hi all |
| 19:04.09 | boudiccas | tqrst; have you tried using kile? |
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| 19:04.33 | tqrst | boudiccas: I don't have X, so no |
| 19:05.00 | tqrst | boudiccas: doesn't kile just wrap around latex? |
| 19:05.28 | boudiccas | tqrst; its an editor for latex, which if you could use it might get round your problems |
| 19:05.40 | namtorba | mark_u: meeting .. |
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| 19:06.53 | tqrst | boudiccas: why do you think it would help? I'm a bit hesitant to install X and half of KDE on a server machine just to get latex running. |
| 19:07.42 | boudiccas | tqrst; it was just an idea |
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| 19:09.39 | mark_u | no worries namtorba im just totally lost here. im just trying using the 2nd pci-x slot on my mobo now to see if that helps. dunno if you saw but i also tried booting a knoppix live CD and it would show in lspci but cant actually use it or display in fdisk. the loading of the module seemed to hang or not work fully, as it did when i tried modprobing in the debian installer |
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| 19:10.27 | foofoobar | fasta, koollman: I will think about an upgrade.. apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 19:11.49 | Rod_Stiffington | how do I download a specific version for a package in the unstable repo |
| 19:12.00 | Rod_Stiffington | aptitude search just gives me the stable version |
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| 19:12.46 | studiofenix | is wheezy already good enough to use in my main computer? |
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| 19:13.42 | mrstocks | hey, i have a 5.1 speakers but i only get the sub and the left & right |
| 19:13.53 | mrstocks | is that easy to change? |
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| 19:14.57 | kittonian | hi all |
| 19:15.26 | kittonian | i have a really old celeron box that's been running sarge for many years now and i was wondering if it is possible to do an apt upgrade to lenny |
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| 19:18.03 | Tigerboy | kittonian: yes just change sources.list and go for it |
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| 19:18.34 | Tigerboy | do apt-get upgrade followed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:18.54 | kittonian | what is the source i need to put in sources.list |
| 19:19.00 | kittonian | been googling and haven't found it |
| 19:19.09 | boudiccas | Tigerboy; dont you do apt-get update first? |
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| 19:20.00 | kittonian | and since this box is still using lilo, will it automatically update me to using grub? apparently lilo has some issues according to docs i read |
| 19:20.06 | Tigerboy | Kittonian: yes do apt-get update of course first-- in sources.list change to ~ deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
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| 19:21.37 | kittonian | Tigerboy: that source does not work |
| 19:21.40 | Tigerboy | kittonian: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main (not sarge) |
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| 19:22.09 | Tigerboy | well you are changing to sarge so resetting it to sarge is what you must do |
| 19:22.17 | Tigerboy | to lenny sorry |
| 19:22.29 | kittonian | yup, it's updating apt now |
| 19:22.37 | Tigerboy | cool |
| 19:22.54 | kittonian | this box is the router that handles all the traffic for my home network and if it goes down i have no communication to the outside world |
| 19:23.04 | kittonian | so i'm trying to ensure that there won't be any issues missed |
| 19:23.12 | kittonian | i.e. the lilo to grub situation |
| 19:23.17 | Tigerboy | no should go fine |
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| 19:24.15 | tqrst | boudiccas: for the record, reinstalling the packages after wiping /var/lib/*tex* worked |
| 19:24.37 | boudiccas | tqrst; i'm glad its worked out for you :) |
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| 19:29.06 | hje841 | I know it might not be the place but I can't find it anywhere else: an IRC channel for shell scripting. |
| 19:29.08 | hje841 | Any suggestions on how to cut silence from an audio file in shell scripting? |
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| 19:29.50 | tqrst | hje841: that's not really a shell scripting question either |
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| 19:30.34 | Bushmills | hje841: by passing the proper arguments to the tool your calling from bash script, which does your audio file editing |
| 19:30.34 | valdyn | hje841: man sox |
| 19:30.42 | tqrst | hje841: but have a look at sox |
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| 19:31.00 | hje841 | thanks. That might be the one I'm looking for :D |
| 19:31.07 | tqrst | or write a digital signal processing library for bash |
| 19:31.09 | tqrst | that would be awesome |
| 19:31.17 | hje841 | lol |
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| 19:33.05 | kittonian | upgrade succeeded. doing the dist-upgrade now |
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| 19:34.33 | Tigerboy | kittonian: ok good I don't think you need to add the security repo for lenny the default main covers it |
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| 19:35.36 | kittonian | think it's a good "just in case" idea? |
| 19:35.50 | Tigerboy | kettonian: then the next leap is going to squeeze if you care to which you will need security added in |
| 19:36.19 | kittonian | nah. just needed to go through this to move from a 2.4 kernel to the 2.6.39 kernel with the updated netfilter/iptables |
| 19:36.21 | Tigerboy | the full shabang would be -- deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:36.30 | kittonian | didn't really want to do this in the first place :) |
| 19:36.44 | Tigerboy | and you would change the lennys to squeeze and do the same thing |
| 19:37.33 | Tigerboy | then also deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free to get all the repos but Im not sure they keep the contribs and securities for the older versions |
| 19:37.43 | Tigerboy | but that would certainly be how to do it for the squeeze update |
| 19:38.02 | kittonian | gotcha. no interest in moving to squeeze |
| 19:38.08 | Tigerboy | ok |
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| 19:38.23 | kittonian | we got vonage yesterday and i need to prioritize sip traffic on my network |
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| 19:38.31 | Tigerboy | Kittonian: if you do the update it will tell you the repos it cannot fetch then just go back in and remove |
| 19:38.31 | kittonian | so i have to go through all of this to make it happen |
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| 19:38.58 | Tigerboy | if it cannot fetch non-free then remove that part of the line |
| 19:39.36 | Tigerboy | kittonian: it is just a bit of an added time each time you do an update so it's not critical to remove them. |
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| 19:42.14 | Tigerboy | kittonian: if there are any updates like video kernel modules (dkms) or kernels in the upgrade then you will want to do a reboot when you get the chance. |
| 19:42.57 | Megaf | # uptime |
| 19:42.57 | Megaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.00 | kittonian | i'm compiling a custom 2.6.39 kernel while this is happening and will install that and reboot when it's installed |
| 19:43.00 | Megaf | o/ |
| 19:43.16 | Tigerboy | ok great |
| 19:44.07 | kittonian | great, the dist-upgrade failed because i'm not yet running a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:44.25 | kittonian | so i guess i'll have to get the new kernel installed and then do the dist-upgrade again |
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| 19:44.33 | ghoti | Megaf: are you bragging about 172 days? |
| 19:44.47 | ghoti | or your load average? |
| 19:44.57 | Tigerboy | kittonian: ok that is probably because of your current kernel yes do the kernel first. |
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| 19:45.12 | Megaf | ghoti, both? |
| 19:45.14 | fbs | What do i need to do to get a file from /etc/sudoers.d/ working with sudo? Because a update of the sudo package changes /etc/sudoers i want to put my rule in /etc/sudoers/00-bas. So i copied the rule from sudoers to 00-bas but it doesnt work. Sudoers is default and contains #include /etc/sudoers.d, 00-bas is 0440 |
| 19:45.28 | hudo | hi, how to set EDITOR permanently ? |
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| 19:45.45 | yagoo | hudo, edit your bash profile variable EDITOR= |
| 19:45.47 | ghoti | Megaf: it was 220 days since my last power failure. |
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| 19:46.06 | yagoo | hudo, (in login script) |
| 19:46.06 | StefandeVries | !ops oihje |
| 19:46.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: stefandevries complains about: oihje |
| 19:46.06 | hudo | yagoo, thx, or the .bashrc ? |
| 19:46.07 | Tigerboy | oihje: how is obama a socialist exactly? |
| 19:46.18 | Megaf | yep, I could have a better uptime as well, but I had to update the linux kernel |
| 19:46.20 | thewanderer1 | Tigerboy: don't feed the troll, especially here |
| 19:46.21 | yagoo | Tigerboy, you want to be banned too? |
| 19:46.21 | scampbell | Please don't feed the trolls. |
| 19:46.29 | marienz | StefandeVries: they probably saw already |
| 19:46.42 | StefandeVries | marienz: Even still. Can't hurt. |
| 19:46.46 | Tigerboy | just a pure idiot sorry didn't mean to help him in anyway. |
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| 19:51.44 | andihit | how can I enable bootlogd? I've already set the variable in /etc/default/bootlogd to true. |
| 19:52.04 | andihit | (on wheezy) |
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| 19:52.57 | Megaf | ghoti, yep, I could have a better uptime as well, but I had to update the linux kernel |
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| 19:57.17 | wolfric | what do i need for xen gui? i assume dom0 is a gui system that i can manage xen from right? i don't have a desktop manager or x server installed atm |
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| 20:02.40 | miguel000 | i droppped my portable hd on the floor and can not even see the partitions anymore :( |
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| 20:02.59 | boudiccas | miguel000; that was clever! |
| 20:03.06 | miguel000 | any cahnce to get some of the data rescued wit software |
| 20:03.12 | miguel000 | it was accidentally |
| 20:03.21 | miguel000 | ? |
| 20:04.02 | boudiccas | miguel000; what FS is on it? |
| 20:04.22 | yagoo | miguel000, u must of damaged the headers.. not software recovery can be done as it's now a hardware malfunction.. this could easily cost into the hundreds to repair.. |
| 20:04.46 | miguel000 | its fat i think |
| 20:04.50 | miguel000 | or maybe ntfs |
| 20:04.51 | yagoo | so |
| 20:04.55 | yagoo | it's a hardware issue. |
| 20:05.16 | yagoo | u need to bring it into a data recovery service.. and have them fix the actuatorarm/head_readers.. |
| 20:05.21 | miguel000 | nah |
| 20:05.27 | miguel000 | to expensive |
| 20:05.30 | yagoo | then ditch teh drive.. nothing u can do.. |
| 20:05.57 | miguel000 | i wondered if i can recover at least [arts |
| 20:05.58 | miguel000 | parts |
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| 20:06.16 | yagoo | and how to do expect not to read anything? |
| 20:06.17 | miguel000 | without touching the damaged hardware |
| 20:06.45 | miguel000 | i dunno if im not able to read anything |
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| 20:07.17 | yagoo | miguel000, u already said u cant read the partition table.. |
| 20:07.35 | wolfric | can someone confirm, if i install xen on debian, then reboot into it, is this dom0 the os i was in before i rebooted ? or is it something new? when the computer boots up, is what you see when it loads the kernel ,is that dom0 or is it something separate? |
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| 20:07.43 | C0MPAQ_ | hey, does anybody have a copy of that picture of enki-]['s junk? |
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| 20:08.21 | miguel000 | yagoo: fdisk -l gives some errors about sdc which is the drive |
| 20:08.35 | yagoo | wolfric, look up what's a hypervisor.. -- the kernel with the xen feature offers running VM's.. |
| 20:08.59 | yagoo | miguel000, nothing i can do to help.. u have a hardware issue. |
| 20:09.21 | boudiccas | miguel000; the drive is f**ked, time to move on and be more careful |
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| 20:09.41 | miguel000 | :( |
| 20:09.44 | miguel000 | thx uys |
| 20:09.48 | miguel000 | guys |
| 20:10.10 | resus | hi all, how would i go about redoing the sources.list config with debconf? |
| 20:10.49 | yagoo | miguel000, your data is still intact.. it's the "actuator arm/head readers" which are misaligned or damaged.. the platters are not damaged, and a hardware fix means ur data can be fully recoverable.. (but costly) |
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| 20:11.44 | yagoo | resus, there's probably a sample under /usr/share/doc/apt-?/ |
| 20:11.45 | miguel000 | i wonder if i could just put the magnetic discs of my drive into another exact model |
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| 20:12.11 | yagoo | miguel000, no u cant.. there's different storage of badvector table on the chip |
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| 20:12.15 | boudiccas | miguel000; oh boy! |
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| 20:12.46 | clustermagnet | gents, running unsquashfs, and am getting: |
| 20:12.46 | clustermagnet | zlib::uncompress failed, unknown error -3 |
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| 20:13.08 | clustermagnet | which package should i install on the system? |
| 20:13.17 | somiaj | I have seen cases where the actual drive was good, but the board on the drive went bad...replacing the board from an identicial drive allowed dat recovery. But if the arms are broken and you have to get the plates out its costly. |
| 20:13.21 | yagoo | miguel000, unless u know how to duplicate the badvector table chip.. |
| 20:13.24 | resus | yagoo, yep there is but i was wondering if debconf or something similar would do it |
| 20:13.45 | yagoo | or badsector vector chip.. |
| 20:14.12 | yagoo | resus, probably.. but there must be a sample in /usr/share/doc/apt.. somewhere |
| 20:14.40 | resus | yagoo, there is a sample it has stable repositories set up |
| 20:15.35 | resus | but i can never remember which version i have it says 6.0.2 in /etc/debian_version which after googling i remembered is squeeze but is that stable? |
| 20:15.48 | boudiccas | resus; yes |
| 20:15.56 | resus | it feels like the hwole naming scheme is so conviluted |
| 20:16.14 | yagoo | !sources.list |
| 20:16.14 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:16.16 | EmleyMoor | resus: It's themed from the Toy Story movies |
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| 20:16.56 | resus | EmleyMoor, yea i understand that, to obad i've never seen that movie |
| 20:17.09 | yagoo | resus, there's also a gnome-tool to edit sources -> http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 20:18.07 | Lomba | Hi, |
| 20:18.20 | resus | yagoo, i'd rather use the command line and anyway i'd need my sources setup before i can download that, i got it now thanks |
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| 20:18.45 | yagoo | resus, did u try dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:19.24 | clustermagnet | gents, can someone please help?http://pastie.org/2539466 |
| 20:19.24 | resus | yagoo, no i'll try and see what that does |
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| 20:20.02 | yagoo | resus, there's the netselect-apt package.. |
| 20:20.24 | yagoo | resus, i tend to use .. lynx /usr/share/doc |
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| 20:22.32 | resus | i see thanks for the advice i think the doc samples are the way to go like you said |
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| 20:28.17 | resus | how do i tell apt-cache search to only show installed packages? the --installed flag isn't doing it |
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| 20:29.26 | yagoo | resus, aptitude might |
| 20:30.23 | yagoo | resus, btw to list install packages, one does-> dpkg -l |
| 20:30.34 | yagoo | ,/installed/ |
| 20:31.05 | resus | yagoo, got it thanks again |
| 20:32.05 | yagoo | who here aliases like ls? (eg: ls='ls -gGad --group-directories-first ' .. just curious |
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| 20:32.37 | nkuttler | yagoo: exactly 4.3 people |
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| 20:33.07 | yagoo | i never bothered to use --group-directories-first until today.. and have to admit it looks pretty good i can list stuff like this :) |
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| 20:34.09 | resus | yagoo, why would you have a -d in there? |
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| 20:35.02 | wolfe213 | I want to convert to aac with vlc and it tells me that my ffmpeg doesnt support that, is there an ffmpeg that does? perhaps the dmm version? |
| 20:35.28 | yagoo | resus, that limits the listing to current directory.. |
| 20:35.52 | oobe | wolfe213, try mencoder |
| 20:36.00 | yagoo | resus, eg(not using aliases)-> ls -dal * , compare to, ls -dal */ |
| 20:36.06 | oobe | I didnt even know vlc supported converting |
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| 20:36.39 | pixi897 | hi, is debian 6.0 using grub1 or grub2? |
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| 20:36.50 | wolfe213 | oobe: yeah well mencoder doesnt have an easy interface and I'm running purely sample converts here.. and obviously you dont know much about vlc cause it does everything |
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| 20:36.59 | yagoo | resus, if u don't use -d, * would expand to show contents of subfolders |
| 20:37.16 | wolfe213 | I am trying to just transcode to several formats to see which offers exceptable quality at the lowest file size |
| 20:37.18 | yagoo | resus, i also use shopt -s dotglob.. |
| 20:37.24 | oobe | that is correct I dont know much about vlc but its not necessary to use vlc or any other gui frontend |
| 20:37.29 | wolfe213 | I cant do many common formats without aac in ffmpeg |
| 20:37.30 | yagoo | resus, so that ls * shows the dotentries... |
| 20:37.40 | yagoo | resus, and i'd then don't have to do ls .* |
| 20:37.42 | wolfe213 | acceptable even.. heh |
| 20:37.56 | oobe | any gui program that converts video or audio is using the same libs and commands that people use from the CLI |
| 20:38.28 | yagoo | oobe, google:"audio convert software site:wikipedia.org" |
| 20:38.47 | wolfe213 | oobe: right well I will be scripting this to use mencoder or ffmpeg directly eventually but I want to be able to do it graphically right now cause its easier for me to select a bunch of different options to test |
| 20:38.48 | oobe | im not the one who needs help on this topic |
| 20:38.57 | resus | yagoo, that'd be weird for me i'm used to not passing anything to ls if i'm currently in the dir i want to view |
| 20:39.04 | wolfe213 | and if it doesnt work through vlc its not gonna work at all |
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| 20:39.28 | yagoo | eh |
| 20:40.15 | yagoo | resus, if u use "alias ls=<stuff>" then u don't have to worry about passing -gGad.. |
| 20:40.30 | yagoo | resus, "ls" becomes substituted.. |
| 20:41.00 | yagoo | resus, most of the time i'd use "lynx <path>" |
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| 20:41.39 | wolfe213 | bah it says it doesnt have mp3 or aac.. heh.. I gotta go find a new ffmpeg or something |
| 20:41.43 | clustermagnet | guys, why is this happening? http://pastie.org/2539466 |
| 20:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | wolfe213: There's a collection of scripts called tovid - http://freshmeat.net/projects/tovid that can be very helpful. I believe it even has a gui now. |
| 20:41.58 | wolfe213 | I know why, its the debian policy |
| 20:41.58 | clustermagnet | how can i make sure zlib::uncompress is working on the system? |
| 20:42.08 | jhutchins_lt | wolfe213: dmm? |
| 20:42.24 | jhutchins_lt | !tell wolfe213 about dmm |
| 20:42.30 | wolfe213 | jhutchins_lt: debian multimedia.. where we always kept our non compliant multimedia stuff |
| 20:42.31 | yagoo | clustermagnet, zlib is like part of the basesystem.. i doubt its not installed.. |
| 20:42.45 | clustermagnet | yagoo no kidding :( |
| 20:42.52 | clustermagnet | yagoo: so then wtf is up with this :) |
| 20:42.58 | wolfe213 | I know about dmm I just didnt know if there was a version there that supported it |
| 20:43.00 | yagoo | clustermagnet, unless u borked something -> dpkg -l |grep -i zlib |
| 20:43.07 | resus | yagoo, that's cool i've never used lynx as a file browser i might have to give it a shot, have you tright midnight commander or the like? |
| 20:43.11 | clustermagnet | yagoo: possible! checking :) |
| 20:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | clustermagnet: My guess would be a corrupted file, but I have no real information to go on. |
| 20:43.29 | resus | s/tright/tried/ |
| 20:43.39 | clustermagnet | http://pastie.org/2539466 |
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| 20:43.40 | yagoo | resus, lynx is the fastest.. i use arrow keys for fast navigation, readme stuff |
| 20:44.17 | yagoo | resus, there's others, but they're not good imho.. one called like cdex or something.. |
| 20:45.03 | yagoo | (clex) |
| 20:45.13 | mark_u | anyone here familiar with getting LSI MegaRAID SAS controllers going in debian? I'm unable to get the driver to load upon installation.. following all their instructions in http://www.lsi.com/downloads/Public/MegaRAID%20Common%20Files/Debian5.0.x_05_30.zip to no avail. makes no sense as its a pretty standard driver. PCI ID is 1000:0073 and is supposed to be covered under the driver. looking for "far out" suggestions at this point |
| 20:45.14 | resus | yagoo, pretty sweet it has the / for search option |
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| 20:45.53 | resus | yagoo, is there a way to execute a shell command from here? |
| 20:46.27 | clustermagnet | yagoo: want to see soemthing even crazier? |
| 20:46.29 | yagoo | resus, i only use it for reading stuff/navigation.. not much more |
| 20:46.41 | yagoo | resus, i think mc is better for handling execs.. |
| 20:46.44 | clustermagnet | preface: im battling clonezilla, trying to stick a proprietary driver in |
| 20:46.51 | resus | yagoo, gotcha |
| 20:46.55 | clustermagnet | anyways⦠made a desktop video to show my problem |
| 20:46.55 | clustermagnet | http://youtu.be/_oQglMao8FA |
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| 20:47.02 | clustermagnet | its crazy, genisoimage is fucking up |
| 20:47.12 | yagoo | resus, if u like fast navigation.., u'd probably like to check out wcd as well |
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| 20:47.53 | resus | i got another one, when i restart network service with init.d.networking restart or service networking restart it says this is deprecated, what's the recommended way to do it? |
| 20:47.59 | yagoo | resus, i never looked deep enough into clex (sort of like lynx/mc).. but if u're always working in cli, you'd like to master one of these |
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| 20:48.13 | resus | yagoo, nice i'll check it out |
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| 20:48.33 | CannedCorn | hey guys how do i apt-get install something with no-x |
| 20:48.43 | CannedCorn | so that it doesn't try to install x packages as well |
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| 20:50.33 | yagoo | CannedCorn, maybe place a "hold" (using aptitude) on the xserver-xorg or related xserver package |
| 20:50.51 | CannedCorn | eh, too complicated, i'll just install it |
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| 20:51.04 | somiaj | CannedCorn: what do you mean? What packages are you not wanting to install? |
| 20:51.05 | yagoo | CannedCorn, aptitude "hold" <packagename> |
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| 20:51.09 | CannedCorn | mongodb |
| 20:51.15 | yagoo | CannedCorn, aptitude hold xserver-xorg |
| 20:51.20 | yagoo | eh |
| 20:51.30 | CannedCorn | nah, i have x already installed |
| 20:51.52 | CannedCorn | but for some reason, when try to install mongo it wants to install all these x11proto and dev packages |
| 20:51.57 | CannedCorn | which i don't want |
| 20:52.00 | yagoo | i thin xserver-xorg is a virtual package.. so that's why i said maybe.. |
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| 20:52.45 | somiaj | CannedCorn: its because either mongodb or possibilly its recomended pacakges are dependent on those x packages, and to get the programs to function they need to be installed as well. |
| 20:52.59 | jhutchins_lt | CannedCorn: mongo? |
| 20:53.06 | CannedCorn | jhutchins_lt yes mongo |
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| 20:53.22 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg info mongo |
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| 20:53.31 | CannedCorn | mongodb |
| 20:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg info mongodb |
| 20:53.43 | dpkg | mongodb: (An object/document-oriented database (metapackage)), section database, is optional. Version: 1:1.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 20:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mongodb |
| 20:54.06 | judd | Package mongodb on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.4.4-3; sid: 1:1.8.2-1 |
| 20:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | It does seem strange that it would pull in a bunch of x deps. Is this in squeeze? |
| 20:54.39 | CannedCorn | yeah |
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| 20:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | CannedCorn: ...also a production package shouldn't require dev packages. |
| 20:55.11 | somiaj | CannedCorn: that package is dependend on mongodb-dev (teh development pieces) do you need that as well or do you just want the 'mongodb-server' |
| 20:55.28 | CannedCorn | just the server |
| 20:55.37 | somiaj | so just install the server and not the meta package |
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| 20:56.37 | Tomasu | hi, I keep having this problem with grub-pc on debian, most times grub-pc updates, it fails to install to my root devices. my /boot is on a mdraid1 volume, and it complains that there isn't enough space. |
| 20:57.02 | Tomasu | it has worked. and the last time this was "fixed" the bug mentioned grub was compiled with the wrong opts? |
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| 20:58.55 | cantido | Tomasu: have you checked the BTS? Re-opened the bug? |
| 20:59.10 | Tomasu | I'm trying to find it.. still looking |
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| 21:00.04 | Tomasu | aha, think I found it |
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| 21:00.11 | Desconocido2 | # Appears as Tongtyed.http://www.mermeliz.net/cr/dl/Tongtyed.AVB |
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| 21:01.54 | CannedCorn | ok thanks guys |
| 21:02.05 | CannedCorn | somiaj thanks! |
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| 21:05.08 | joeoshawa | hello, what is the command to update the boot loader again i removed my ubuntu install and repartitioned it. |
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| 21:05.27 | joeoshawa | please |
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| 21:07.17 | joeoshawa | nvm |
| 21:07.19 | joeoshawa | got it |
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| 21:11.10 | format_c | I'm running squeeze, but want to connect my fancy iPad2 with my Debian using libimobiledevice1 |
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| 21:11.41 | format_c | unfortunately its only available in version 1.0.2. |
| 21:11.43 | rsampaio | hi there |
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| 21:12.05 | rsampaio | I am trying to build a debian live with live-build |
| 21:12.13 | rsampaio | but I need the backported kernel in this image |
| 21:12.26 | rsampaio | does anyone knows if it is possible ? |
| 21:12.28 | joeoshawa | i need to add a directory to the places menu can someone help me |
| 21:13.42 | joeoshawa | I know ubuntu has a way to make a live cd of your current install |
| 21:13.46 | joeoshawa | so it should be |
| 21:13.55 | joeoshawa | one sec |
| 21:13.56 | Tomasu | ok, here's what is probably a dumb question, how would I go about restoring a single "configuration" (grub.d/) file? I really don't want to overwrite the rest of my grub config |
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| 21:15.10 | format_c | But for IOS4 its version 1.0.4 necessary. How can I install libimobiledevice1 in version 1.0.6 (available for wheezy) without going completely to wheezy? |
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| 21:17.00 | joeoshawa | http://www.linux-live.org/ <- this will make a live-cd of your current install |
| 21:17.17 | RichiH | interesting |
| 21:18.03 | joeoshawa | so if thats the kernel you have installed your good to go or you could use an old crappy machine install the distro then the kernel then make the live cd |
| 21:18.33 | bazu | hi i buy a new laptop lenovo y570 with video nvidia GeForce 555m with option Optimus and i wonder how to conf it |
| 21:18.47 | bazu | hi i buy a new laptop lenovo y570 with video nvidia GeForce 555m with option Optimus and i wonder how to conf it |
| 21:18.52 | bazu | sorry... |
| 21:19.01 | joeoshawa | so how do i add a directory to the places menu |
| 21:19.25 | joeoshawa | the directory i want to add to everyones places menu |
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| 21:20.19 | joeoshawa | then share it with samba incidentally but i can do that later since there is only one computer working right now |
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| 21:22.21 | twobitsprite | lolol.. I have something running linux kernel 2.2.14... |
| 21:22.32 | twobitsprite | (it's a cyclades terminal server.. but still) |
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| 21:26.34 | joeoshawa | ahhhhh damnit i figured it out but now i got a ->bookmarks entry then the places |
| 21:26.39 | joeoshawa | not what i wanted |
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| 21:31.19 | ThePendulum | Greetings |
| 21:31.24 | kichawa | community/usb_modeswitch |
| 21:31.29 | kichawa | do you use huawei e1820? |
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| 21:32.35 | ThePendulum | I am a little confused. My computer has an Intel Celeron D (I know...), and I was wondering I should download the amd64 release of Debian or the ia64 release, another possibility would be the i386 release. Does anyone have a clue about what release I should choose to run Debian 64-bits on my Celeron D? |
| 21:32.43 | RichiH | is any of the chroots/*builders preferred for packaging, these days? |
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| 21:37.08 | somiaj | ThePendulum: look that chip up to see if you have 64bit capabilities or not. If you do, it will use the amd64 for 64 bit, or the i386 version for 32bit |
| 21:37.45 | somiaj | ThePendulum: in amd64 the amd is missleading it basically means any x86_64 bit processor (the 64 extensions of i386) |
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| 21:38.14 | ThePendulum | That surely wasn't very clever of the guy who came up with the name for the architecture lol |
| 21:38.16 | ThePendulum | Thanks anyway |
| 21:38.25 | somiaj | ThePendulum: ia64 was for a few of intels really early 64 chips before the x86_64 got standarized. |
| 21:38.53 | ThePendulum | You answer questions even before I can ask them, thanks! :-) |
| 21:39.00 | somiaj | ThePendulum: it was originally named that because they were different, but soon intel adopted the standard amd was using, name stuck for historical reason. (: |
| 21:39.34 | ThePendulum | Happy to get my X6 saturday or monday, at least I can just click whatever looks like 'AMD' lol |
| 21:40.14 | ThePendulum | Well, seems like UNetbootin is done putting the Debian installer on my USB. Thanks for your support, I'm going to reboot. Cheers ^^ |
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| 21:46.44 | operaor | hi all how to make a 11g device work in 11b mode, in Ad-hoc linux? |
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| 21:48.40 | jhutchins_lt | operaor: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 21:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | operaor: Also http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
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| 21:51.51 | LiENUS | is there a reason that my debian 6 box has lilo and grub installed? |
| 21:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: Because someone installed them. |
| 21:52.16 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: grub2 is the default. |
| 21:52.34 | LiENUS | jhutchins_lt, i updated my kernel and got some error from lilo because i originally installed from a thumb drive/net install |
| 21:52.41 | LiENUS | and when i pulled the thumbdrive disks got renameded |
| 21:52.44 | operaor | that page in huge |
| 21:52.48 | operaor | question is simple |
| 21:52.57 | operaor | but I don't find the answer by googleing it |
| 21:53.07 | operaor | maybe someone has had same issue? |
| 21:53.25 | operaor | just to make a 11bg wifi work in 11b mode |
| 21:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | operaor: ad-hoc situations are fairly rare. |
| 21:53.38 | operaor | iwconfig wlanX modu 11b doesnt work |
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| 21:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | operaor: Are you sure the option is available in your hardware and the driver? |
| 21:56.12 | operaor | no |
| 21:56.54 | LiENUS | jhutchins_lt, should i uninstall lilo? |
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| 21:58.11 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: If you're not using it, probably. Not that it's hurting anything. |
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| 21:58.26 | LiENUS | is there a way to confirm what bootloader is in my mbr? |
| 21:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: It's a good bootloader and can handle some things that grub can't. |
| 21:58.44 | LiENUS | well afaik i was using grub to boot |
| 21:58.45 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: Boot the system, watch the screen. |
| 21:58.51 | LiENUS | cant reboot it right now heh |
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| 21:59.24 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: You can grab some sort of hex editor that can read it directly, or you can use something like dd to copy it to a file and read it. |
| 21:59.36 | LiENUS | first 512 bytes? |
| 21:59.38 | hudo | got debian squeeze server version. How do i get updates ? How to start actualisation ? |
| 21:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: A great man once said "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". |
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| 22:00.01 | LiENUS | jhutchins_lt, well i got an error when installing the new kernel to reboot into tonight heh |
| 22:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | hudo: actualisation? |
| 22:00.07 | LiENUS | or i wouldnt be messing with it :/ |
| 22:01.46 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: Without knowing what the specific error was I'm not sure if it's important. It _probably_ isn't. Got a rescue disk/usb? |
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| 22:02.07 | LiENUS | usb rescue heh |
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| 22:02.16 | LiENUS | Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sdb") got that error |
| 22:02.31 | LiENUS | no /dev/sdb only /dev/sda but when i installed it decided usb disk was /dev/sda and raid array was /dev/sdb |
| 22:03.12 | hudo | jhutchins_lt: yes get new versions of installed packages e.g new firefox version, new linux-kernel etc |
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| 22:11.36 | Some_Person | Is there an easy way to backup whatever's in my MBR? |
| 22:11.58 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 22:12.06 | tensorpudding | using dd, you can put it into a file |
| 22:12.15 | tensorpudding | and reverse the command to write it back |
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| 22:14.17 | Some_Person | and what would that command be? |
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| 22:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | Some_Person: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 22:17.04 | LiENUS | looks like lilo |
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| 22:17.09 | LiENUS | though i see strings for lilo ad grub in it |
| 22:17.52 | LiENUS | *and |
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| 22:19.01 | Some_Person | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 22:19.44 | Some_Person | What about backing up a partition bootsector? |
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| 22:20.59 | jhutchins_lt | Some_Person: I'm not sure that's a valid concept. There is no real bootsector on a partition afik. |
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| 22:22.11 | LittleDedPenguin | what about the area between the MBR and the first partition? |
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| 22:22.49 | windparadise | Hello, pls I have installed Debian 6 on vmware, how do I make is show on the network? I am not using internet adapter but rather a 3G usb modem to connect to the internet, |
| 22:25.20 | Some_Person | How can I back up a partition bootsector with dd? |
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| 22:27.26 | LittleDedPenguin | dd if=/dev/sda1 of=./sda1.bs bs=512 count=1 |
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| 22:28.12 | LittleDedPenguin | be careful messing with the mbr and boot, if you don't know what you're doing, it is really really easy to lose your data |
| 22:28.20 | LittleDedPenguin | really easy |
| 22:28.59 | Some_Person | I'm trying to install a different bootloader, but in case it fails, I should be able to restore from an MBR and a bootsector backup |
| 22:29.40 | bambanx | exist any app for control the fans ? |
| 22:30.32 | LittleDedPenguin | a site that describes the MBR in full: http://thestarman.pcministry.com/index.html |
| 22:31.17 | LittleDedPenguin | the bootloader may not completely reside on the MBR |
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| 22:32.06 | LittleDedPenguin | there is space, between the MBR and the first partition... stuff gets hidden there |
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| 22:33.45 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 22:33.46 | joeoshawa | This was the first one that let you run X, though the method they used to configure it occasionally allowed the magic smoke to escape from your monitor. hahahahahaha rofl |
| 22:33.56 | mah454 | what is default $TERM in debian ? |
| 22:33.58 | Some_Person | LittleDedPenguin: Should I back that up too just in case? |
| 22:34.27 | somiaj | mah454: there really isn't one. Depends on which desktop/mw you use or personal choice. |
| 22:34.44 | mah454 | somiaj, I use gnome |
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| 22:34.53 | somiaj | mah454: gnome will default to gnome-terminal but that isn't nesscarly debians default term. |
| 22:35.56 | mah454 | somiaj, and default term in console ? |
| 22:36.09 | mah454 | somiaj, and default term in console ? (without UI) |
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| 22:36.34 | somiaj | mah454: the 'linux' term |
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| 22:37.13 | cantido | vt100@9600 ftw! |
| 22:37.37 | joeoshawa | i was watching a video on linux the other day did you know microsoft actually submits code to linus for the linux kernel development!\ |
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| 22:38.06 | joeoshawa | strange |
| 22:38.10 | mah454 | soma`, my user in gnome desktop receive this message in gnome-terminal : "WARNING: terminal is not fully functional" |
| 22:38.23 | mah454 | somiaj, , , my user in gnome desktop receive this message in gnome-terminal : "WARNING: terminal is not fully functional" |
| 22:39.03 | windparadise | any answer please? |
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| 22:39.54 | mah454 | windparadise, what is your question ? |
| 22:39.56 | nkuttler | windparadise: sounds more like a vmware support question |
| 22:39.59 | somiaj | mah454: I would look that error up in google. I don't reconize it and what command is giving you that warning? |
| 22:40.20 | dracmas | is it the settings for the live user that gets transferred over when you first create your own user name? |
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| 22:40.39 | mah454 | somiaj, ok tnx :) |
| 22:41.01 | windparadise | ok |
| 22:41.02 | gary_golden | with dependency boot system, how can I know which services is enabled at startup? |
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| 22:42.14 | dracmas | I want to modify the xfce iso using xnest so I can customize the desktop, but I don't know if that will switch over when you create your first user |
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| 22:42.35 | dracmas | live disk * |
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| 22:43.54 | mah454 | gary_golden, check this command : ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 22:44.48 | gary_golden | mah454: oh, dependency boot uses the same symlink mechanism? |
| 22:45.42 | gary_golden | cool |
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| 22:58.31 | adminewb | having trouble with some add-on kernel modules that had been working, and now produce "Invalid module format" errors when modprobe'd; unknown what caused the transition over recent weeks, full circumstances take some space to relate |
| 22:59.39 | th0r | adminewb: there was a kernel update recently. If you installed it that might require recompiling those add-on modules |
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| 23:00.28 | adminewb | th0r, thanks for the news item; I'd have thought in that case that a "dkms build" would help, though that gives more errors like it thinks the current modules are fine |
| 23:01.45 | adminewb | th0r would the kernel update have affected the backport kernel for 6.0: 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 and its headers? |
| 23:02.22 | th0r | adminewb: not sure. I only know of the update because I turned on a computer I hadn' |
| 23:02.25 | th0r | t used in a while |
| 23:02.25 | adminewb | hmm maybe my dkms needs an update too |
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| 23:07.25 | adminewb | strange, system wants to install linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-* which I removed when that kernel was removed; using only 2.6.39 backport now; they wouldn't share header package versions would they? |
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| 23:08.11 | Some_Person | ok, I'm really glad I backed up the MBR |
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| 23:30.46 | adminewb | for weird, has there been some change in the names of archs, as in 'amd64' now being known only as 'x86_64'? for purposes of kernel modules etc. |
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| 23:33.21 | adminewb | dkms status is giving some strange messages about the added modules, depending on what string is used for arch |
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| 23:35.25 | LemensTS | What is a good lightweight dhcp server for debian? |
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| 23:37.32 | gnarface | LemensTS: you're saying the normal one takes up too much resources? |
| 23:37.39 | johntramp | hi, can anyone suggest a way to `cat file > fifo` with approx 1ms pause between lines? |
| 23:38.23 | LemensTS | gnarface: is the normal one isc-dhcp-server-dbg now? |
| 23:38.26 | tvm | lemensts: dhcp3-server |
| 23:38.48 | LemensTS | whoops i mean isc-dhcp-server |
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| 23:41.06 | rudi_s | johntramp: Why? |
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| 23:42.57 | rudi_s | johntramp: while read x; do echo $x; sleep 0.0001; done < file might work, but I guess the sleep takes longer than one 1ms. |
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| 23:49.43 | tvm | i'd suggest echo "$x", and read -r to avoid mishaps |
| 23:50.04 | gary_golden | LemensTS: dnsmasq is easy to configure |
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| 23:50.43 | johntramp | rudi_s: because i am trying to simulate the data i am getting over UART from an embedded system |
| 23:51.47 | rudi_s | johntramp: Use tvm's advice (thanks) and check if the timing fits. |
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| 23:53.27 | joeoshawa | omfg 2 hours to tranfer my tv shows |
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| 23:58.46 | Waiti123 | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showpost.php?p=263578&postcount=9 any ideas? |
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