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| 00:05.41 | robin_sz | there really needs to be a --no-openjdk option on the installer |
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| 00:12.16 | kittonian | ok, with carl's amazing help my netfilter/iptables system is all running nicely again (and much faster!) |
| 00:12.49 | kittonian | however, the last part of the equation that he wasn't really able to assist with is traffic shaping for VOIP which means I need to shape UDP packets which Trickle will not do |
| 00:12.54 | kittonian | anyone know how to do this? |
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| 00:14.05 | Tomasu | I've been using shorewall's stuff to manage it. trying to comprehend the iptables rules and tc rules is a little beyond me most days. |
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| 00:15.53 | kittonian | shorewall does the entire config right? |
| 00:16.10 | kittonian | i already have a perfect config for everything up and running. i just need to do the traffic shaping portion now |
| 00:16.21 | kittonian | and actually my traffic shaping should be pretty easy |
| 00:16.26 | reg1 | debiantonio: the installation of working |
| 00:16.36 | reg1 | debiantonio: the thing is that its no detecting hard disk |
| 00:16.44 | reg1 | debiantonio: this is a virtual machine |
| 00:16.50 | kittonian | i only need to prioritize voip packets and ssh. everything else plays second fiddle |
| 00:17.09 | kittonian | so it's like 3 marks |
| 00:17.25 | kittonian | 1 = voip, 2 = ssh, 3 = everything else |
| 00:18.38 | debiantonio | reg1, ??? |
| 00:19.02 | debiantonio | no hard disk? |
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| 00:19.38 | reg1 | it doesnt detect hard disk.. i have a 8 GB disk sattached to it though |
| 00:19.51 | debiantonio | IDE master? |
| 00:20.09 | reg1 | this is scsi |
| 00:20.41 | reg1 | its a virtual machien on Vmware |
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| 00:21.49 | debiantonio | reg1, http://minus-9.com/index.php/2003/10/09/installing_debian_3_0_woody_with_adaptec |
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| 00:23.30 | reg1 | debiantonio: The versio ni am trying to isntall is a 2.2 kernel. Do you think this could be a problem |
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| 00:25.27 | reg1 | is it a 32 bit or 64 bit |
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| 00:26.42 | debiantonio | reg1, i'm debian and windows hd diverse, not VMware |
| 00:27.04 | debiantonio | woody is 32 bit |
| 00:27.25 | debiantonio | ? |
| 00:27.57 | rypervenche | Does anyone have any experience with Xfce on Debian? I would like to no longer us a DM, but doing so or using anything aside from GDM3 doesn't let me mount drives or shutdown from the GUI, (no powers I guess). Any ideas on a fix? I'd like to use startx to start. :/ |
| 00:28.02 | Colorado | How can I prevent "regular" users (non-root) from viewing the information in other peoples' home directories? Is "chmod 700 /home/user" the best option? |
| 00:28.08 | reg1 | it says debian-30r6-i386-binary1 |
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| 00:28.19 | reg1 | not sure ifts it 32 or 64 bit. any idea? |
| 00:28.49 | rypervenche | Colorado: That or doing 700 on the folders in /home themselves. |
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| 00:29.20 | Colorado | rypervenche: ok thanks |
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| 00:31.59 | debiantonio | reg1, i386 x86 architecture designed for Intel/AMD 32-bit PCs. Also compatible but not recommended on Intel/AMD 64-bit single/multi core PCs |
| 00:32.38 | debiantonio | stable ports |
| 00:33.03 | reg1 | debiantonio: it says "no hard disk was detected. you either need to load special drivers from floppy or plan to install the system ....." |
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| 00:34.27 | debiantonio | reg1, never needs |
| 00:34.59 | debiantonio | reg1, always install cd1 only |
| 00:35.07 | reg1 | strange |
| 00:35.19 | debiantonio | yep |
| 00:36.14 | debiantonio | boot floppies? |
| 00:36.31 | reg1 | its asking to insert floppy to have hard disk detected |
| 00:37.13 | reg1 | may be because it is set to scsi |
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| 00:40.07 | debiantonio | reg1, may be right |
| 00:40.23 | debiantonio | adaptec controller? |
| 00:40.32 | reg1 | debiantonio: changing it to IDE and lets see |
| 00:40.54 | debiantonio | ok |
| 00:41.05 | debiantonio | IDE1 master |
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| 00:41.30 | debiantonio | LILO bootloader |
| 00:42.48 | reg1 | yesssss |
| 00:43.03 | reg1 | hdd detected after changint to IDE :) |
| 00:43.16 | debiantonio | 8) |
| 00:43.24 | debiantonio | master always master |
| 00:43.30 | debiantonio | IDE 1 |
| 00:43.38 | reg1 | sorry didnt get you |
| 00:45.11 | debiantonio | install debian always primary ide master |
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| 00:46.17 | skilz | How can I make my eth0 ip apply on boot? when I reboot it reverts to blank. |
| 00:46.52 | debiantonio | reg1, forget W$ |
| 00:46.53 | reg1 | Debiantonio: i have a 2 GB hdd size. asking me option for primarry, logical or cancel at bottom |
| 00:47.08 | debiantonio | primary |
| 00:47.21 | MrRoy | skilz: in /etc/network/interfaces did you set eth0 to auto? |
| 00:47.32 | reg1 | 512 MB enought to allocte for primary? |
| 00:48.04 | skilz | MrRoy, It'sa static IP I want to set not DHCP |
| 00:48.18 | MaXim_ | No candidate version found for xeyes |
| 00:48.20 | MaXim_ | wattt |
| 00:48.22 | debiantonio | reg1, swap and /home |
| 00:48.29 | MrRoy | skilz: auto does not mean DHCP, it means autoconnect |
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| 00:49.08 | reg1 | beginnning primary as 512 MB ok? |
| 00:49.21 | skilz | MrRoy, Where should I put it in the file? |
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| 00:50.00 | MrRoy | skilz: right before the first line (that starts with iface if I'm not wrong), auto eth0 |
| 00:50.05 | debiantonio | reg1, look this 1# --->http://www.aboutdebian.com/install3.htm |
| 00:50.50 | debiantonio | reg1, read all document |
| 00:51.04 | skilz | MrRoy, http://pastebin.com/KFnYTUm1 |
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| 00:51.52 | MrRoy | skilz: Are you sure you want eth0? eth0 is wired ethernet. wlan0 is wireless. There's no eth0 configuration in that file |
| 00:52.35 | skilz | Mr_Queue, Yes, ppp0 is my internet and eth0 is my network, im routing packets to my network |
| 00:53.09 | debiantonio | reg1, debian install request :) |
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| 00:53.59 | MrRoy | skilz: You haven't configured eth0 in that file. you need to |
| 00:54.17 | skilz | How do I configure it? |
| 00:54.29 | MrRoy | skilz : http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface |
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| 00:54.37 | skilz | I have to type ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 each time I turn the computer on |
| 00:55.03 | MrRoy | skilz: You need to add it to the interfaces file so it autoconnects to it. Use that link it will teach you how (either using DHCP or static) |
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| 00:59.35 | kittonian | can anyone here help me configure tc with iptables? |
| 01:00.08 | kittonian | what i need is fairly simple (I think) but after tons of reading i'm completely lost on this |
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| 01:28.14 | kittonian | can anyone here help me configure tc with iptables? |
| 01:28.56 | MrFrood | kittonian: if no one can help you here try ##linux |
| 01:29.36 | Tramp | kittonian: or #netfilter - but you'd have to be more specific ... |
| 01:31.18 | kittonian | Tramp: been trying in netfilter for two days. no one is very helpful there |
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| 01:33.27 | Tramp | sorry to hear that |
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| 01:34.12 | yann2 | hello! I have an issue with my netbook (asus eee 1001 with intel card) - during startup, at some point it must try to change the resolution, but I only get a black screen - even in recovery mode.. any idea? :( |
| 01:34.22 | yann2 | (this happens also after a complete reinstall of the system) |
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| 01:35.49 | MrFrood | yann2: can you ctrl+alt+f2 to get a VT |
| 01:35.51 | yann2 | tried checking the syslog from grub, but the keyboard is using an incorrect keymap so I fail to scroll up... |
| 01:35.56 | yann2 | nope |
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| 01:37.17 | MrFrood | yann2: shift+page-up for scroll? |
| 01:38.17 | yann2 | MrFrood, yes but its a german netbook... I need to do shift + fn + arrow up (special key for page up) and it doesnt seem to be detected at this stage in grub |
| 01:38.33 | MrFrood | ah ok |
| 01:39.22 | yann2 | tried a "brutal" shutdown so that the syslog wouldnt get full of services shutting down, and cant see anything special in the last 30 lines |
| 01:39.39 | MrFrood | I'm guessing the switch to framebuffer is what is screwing you |
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| 01:39.54 | yann2 | any way to boot in single mode disabling the framebuffer? |
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| 01:41.18 | MrFrood | I thinks so but iirc the exact command depends on your graphics card, I'dd check the wiki if I were you |
| 01:41.23 | yann2 | google was my friend, indeed, adding vga=normal nomodeset to the kernel command line works |
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| 01:41.34 | MrFrood | nice |
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| 01:42.36 | yann2 | what do you reckon, screwed intel driver? |
| 01:42.48 | MrFrood | even if I don't approve of google in general (duckdduckgo is my friend) |
| 01:44.06 | MrFrood | yann2: I think it is just guessing the wrong res (too high) you need to see of there is a way of manually setting it in grub |
| 01:44.34 | yann2 | MrFrood, been working fine for weeks though, just happened this evening... |
| 01:44.43 | yann2 | hope my graphic card is fine |
| 01:44.51 | MrFrood | yann2: after an update? |
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| 01:45.37 | yann2 | cant remember if I did an update last time before shutting down, but maybe |
| 01:46.00 | yann2 | noone else reported something similar? |
| 01:46.35 | MrFrood | wort case senario you revert to the old driver and lock it if it was an update |
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| 01:47.18 | yann2 | well technically I just reinstalled with a netinstall :) |
| 01:47.21 | MrFrood | not while I've been paying attention but that donn't mean nobody has |
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| 02:11.25 | rypervenche | I am having trouble getting Xfce to work with startx. I have followed the instructions in the doc files for xfce4 and xfce4-session, but I am still unable to mount drives, start my login keyring, and shutdown via the GUI (shutdown and restart are grayed out). I even tried adding the proper command to visudo, but no success. Any help? |
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| 02:15.04 | kingsley | rypervenche: When you say you were unable to mount drives, were you alluding to the "mount" command failing? |
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| 02:15.32 | MaXim_ | rypervenche: try these to fix the shutdown issue |
| 02:15.33 | MaXim_ | http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6007 |
| 02:16.12 | rypervenche | "Mount Failed" "Failed to mount "86 GB Filesystem" Not Authorized |
| 02:16.27 | un214 | You can do almost anything with your own custom .Xsession |
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| 02:17.15 | kingsley | rypervenche: What seems to elicit that error message? |
| 02:17.54 | kingsley | rypervenche: and, when and where do you see it? |
| 02:18.00 | rypervenche | un214: Should it be .xsession or .Xsession? |
| 02:18.26 | rypervenche | kingsley: I have a partition on my desktop. When I double=click it it gives me that. Also when I plug in a USB drive it shows me that. It used to work with GDM3 |
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| 02:20.04 | MaXim_ | oh |
| 02:20.11 | MaXim_ | what desktop manager are you using now? |
| 02:20.31 | rypervenche | MaXim_: I am not using one now. Just startx. |
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| 02:20.38 | MaXim_ | ah right |
| 02:20.51 | kingsley | rypervenche: What, if anything, did you replace GDM3 with? |
| 02:20.55 | MaXim_ | what does your .xsession look like |
| 02:20.55 | rypervenche | MaXim_: I tried adding "exec startxfce4" to my ~/.xsession but it didn't work. |
| 02:21.02 | MaXim_ | you need to start other things |
| 02:21.09 | MaXim_ | like dbus-launch and console-kit-daemon |
| 02:21.14 | rypervenche | kingsley: well, I have the same problem with slim and with no DM (startx) |
| 02:21.25 | sharp15 | rypervenche: i'm using a .xinitrc but have no .[Xx]session |
| 02:21.29 | MaXim_ | exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session startxfce4 |
| 02:21.39 | rypervenche | I tried that as well, but didn't work. |
| 02:22.05 | MaXim_ | sharp15: .Xsession is suppoed to be the same as .xinitrc |
| 02:22.08 | sharp15 | it needs to be executable for your user. its a script. |
| 02:22.38 | rypervenche | I'll try that. Also, should it be .Xsession and not .xsession as the doc files showed me? |
| 02:23.14 | sharp15 | MaXim_: ok. i missed that documentation. .Xsession hasn't worked for me on my gentoo box. (before i'm chastised my debian box has a DM) |
| 02:23.23 | somiaj | I do think there is some issue with /etc/X11/Xsession script not honoring .xinitrc but honoring .xsession (saw that issue in slim) |
| 02:23.44 | somiaj | .xsession I belive is a debian thing |
| 02:24.07 | MaXim_ | i'm pretty sure gentoo checks too |
| 02:24.52 | un214 | how do I set password encryption algorithm? |
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| 02:34.11 | yann2 | thanks for your help MrFrood , I'll read more about the framebuffer tomorrow :) Apparently it can be safely disabled and still boot X later on, so I ll try that. Bye! |
| 02:36.42 | rypervenche | MaXim_: I just tried what you wrote in .xinitrc, .xsession, and .Xsession, no luck. |
| 02:38.06 | peterrooney | un214: have you checked /etc/pam.d/*pass* ? |
| 02:38.33 | un214 | yeah |
| 02:39.02 | un214 | took me awhile to figure out |
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| 02:43.24 | FredZ | Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a windowz client to remotely manage xen on a debian server? |
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| 02:45.26 | rypervenche | FredZ: PuTTY can allow you to SSH into the server. |
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| 02:46.10 | FredZ | I was hopeing for a GUI method if it existed. |
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| 02:50.06 | un214 | FredZ: is there a linux one? |
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| 02:50.23 | rypervenche | FredZ: If it exists, it would be at xen.org |
| 02:50.47 | un214 | incidentally, there is an X server in the cygwin distribution and X is network transparent |
| 02:51.24 | un214 | however after getting that set up you may decide the command line is not so bad after all |
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| 02:57.37 | terr | can someone tell me something about this server? I don't find any useful information (yet) |
| 02:57.39 | terr | (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa |
| 02:57.39 | terr | > [10.202.2.41]) |
| 02:58.26 | sharp15 | MaXim_: my attempt on gentoo was months ago. it could've changed. |
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| 02:58.39 | holben | having problem streaming the wall street journal site. streaming stopped after the first few seconds of advertisement ended. what's the likely problem? |
| 02:59.12 | terr | also I'm looking to do a FDD debian install of the latest... probably run ext3 unless someone suggests otherwise and why... where can I find hte boot image? |
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| 03:02.04 | MaXim_ | sharp15: i haven't used gentoo for 6 years |
| 03:02.27 | sharp15 | ok. |
| 03:03.29 | terr | holben: IMHO streaming is the stupidest ideas I've encountered. Just d/l an ogg format. If they won't support ogg then why look at their advertizing. Even GOOGLE knopws the cutomer is king. |
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| 03:04.56 | terr | holben: I did come across a strream suk utility but I've forgotten it and its won't run on my version of Debian... seems I need to upgrade. |
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| 03:10.05 | terr | can someone tell me something about this server? I don't find any useful information (yet) |
| 03:10.27 | terr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.28 | terr | > [10.202.2.41]) |
| 03:10.41 | terr | can someone tell me something about this server? I don't find any useful information (yet) compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa |
| 03:10.41 | terr | > [10.202.2.41]) |
| 03:10.47 | terr | opps! |
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| 03:15.28 | Tramp | terr: maybe ask new york internet, it's probably one of theirs. Btw, that's where fastmail is located |
| 03:16.10 | terr | Tramp: what's .osa? I"ve never seent hat? |
| 03:16.14 | terr | Tramp: what's .osa? I"ve never seent that? |
| 03:16.21 | kuznetzvo-afk | ................. |
| 03:16.29 | Tramp | obviously some domain they use internally |
| 03:16.51 | terr | could this be part of yahoo? |
| 03:16.56 | MaXim_ | rypervenche: try using lightdm |
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| 03:17.02 | MaXim_ | it may solve your problems |
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| 03:17.26 | Tramp | terr: could be. However, I think it's part of fastmail - but it certainly is offtopic on #debian |
| 03:17.47 | terr | Tramp: I was just wondering how to look this up. |
| 03:17.57 | terr | tramp they are sending out spam. |
| 03:18.12 | kuznetzvo-afk | .. |
| 03:18.14 | Tramp | they sure have an abuse@ address |
| 03:18.38 | kuznetzvo-afk | i'm sorry guys. i was going tohelp, but i'm really too drunk.. this just gives me a massive headache >.> |
| 03:18.39 | terr | well since I couldn't even find the company... what is their main web page please? |
| 03:18.52 | kuznetzvo-afk | www.iana.org |
| 03:19.39 | benonsoftware | Hi all |
| 03:19.59 | Tramp | www.nyi.net |
| 03:20.05 | Tramp | terr ^^ |
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| 03:21.44 | terr | Tramp: thanks done. |
| 03:21.54 | Tramp | yw |
| 03:22.11 | terr | Tramp now my next q) is where can I find a decent fdd boot disk so I can install a new OS? |
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| 03:22.57 | Tramp | !tell terr -about floppy |
| 03:23.39 | terr | Shit! |
| 03:23.59 | terr | I just want to get the bloody nic working so I can boot off the nic. |
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| 03:25.34 | terr | Tramp: if I can get teh HDD partitioned and formatted I shoudl be able to install via the net. |
| 03:26.20 | Sp0tter | i just got a vps with debian squeeze on it but it cant resolve any website names, if i ping an ip, that works.. but apt-get update cant find ftp.debean.org, what should i check for? my resolve.conf is emtpy, i looked at another debian install i have and it has the namesrevers there so i entered the namesrever for my new vps in the broken one but that did not help |
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| 03:34.22 | terr | Sp0tter: reboot it. You can just kill -sighup but I forget which deamon |
| 03:34.51 | Sp0tter | that did not help |
| 03:35.13 | terr | Sp0tter: as I recall howver you do not need to reboot after you fix resolv.conf |
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| 03:37.31 | rypervenche | MaXim_: Well, I want to no longer use a DM, but GDM was rather slow for me, so I suppose it would be a step in the right direction for now. |
| 03:37.35 | rypervenche | MaXim_: Thank you. |
| 03:38.57 | MaXim_ | it's working? |
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| 03:40.05 | MaXim_ | console-kit, dbus and such are pretty much garbage |
| 03:40.27 | MaXim_ | there are command line tools such as autofs that allow you to mount automatically |
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| 03:42.49 | rypervenche | MaXim_: Yes, it works. Thank you. I would continue using startx if it weren't for other problems caused by it. |
| 03:43.18 | rypervenche | It's as though the policykit is not being used at all or something. |
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| 03:51.05 | Tropolis | Are there any other methods for getting fonts to not look like ass aside from arbitrarily changing autohint/hintstyle/antialias/lcdfilter/rgba etc for each specific font in .fonts.conf? |
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| 03:53.23 | Tropolis | And is it possible to have more fine-tuned control over font-sizes? I'm able to get the exact font size/hinting/etc I want in a browser, or with the '-fa pixelsize=..' argument to xterm. But most apps only have a GUI allowing you to select font size, and I need a '10.5' or something in-between. |
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| 04:31.42 | Talon_ | I have a problem with squeeze, when I boot, it doesn't connect to my wireless network when it's set to, I manually haveto click it.. then it tells me my keyring wasn't unlocked at login and asks me for my password to unlock it, then it connects fine and im on my way... I would like it to be auto, where can i find the properties for this "keyring" thing? |
| 04:32.26 | somiaj | Talon_: using gnome I would think? Check the gnome-key ring? |
| 04:32.38 | Talon_ | yea gnome 2 |
| 04:32.45 | somiaj | Talon_: are you using network manager to bring up your interfaces? You have 'auto' checked for this connenction? |
| 04:32.56 | Talon_ | yes i do |
| 04:33.02 | somiaj | Talon_: I would imangein you can configure it in one of gnome's control utitilties (I'm not familar with gnome) |
| 04:33.11 | CrazyGir | how do you identify the "real" package name behind a virtual package? |
| 04:33.32 | somiaj | CrazyGir: apt-cache show 'pkg name' |
| 04:33.36 | somiaj | CrazyGir: look at the dependencies. |
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| 04:36.13 | yagoo | CrazyGir, i think u can do it with aptitue.. i forget the exact method.. |
| 04:36.20 | yagoo | (aptitude) |
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| 04:38.33 | anomaly | was listening to a mp3 playlist.. then the music started rapidly repeated the last sound before stopping. /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart says there is no sound card now.. yet, obviously there is. what am I missing? |
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| 04:40.16 | yagoo | anomaly, try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (as normal user) |
| 04:41.05 | anomaly | yagoo etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded). |
| 04:41.36 | anomaly | alsa-utils reset 0 rather, as it was cut off |
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| 04:42.01 | somiaj | any errors in dmesg from the kernel? |
| 04:42.38 | anomaly | last line is [1214979.856412] HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A disabled |
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| 04:44.27 | yagoo | anomaly, this a laptop? (sometimes modules take laptop exclusive params) |
| 04:44.35 | anomaly | yes it is. |
| 04:44.40 | yagoo | anomaly, what model? |
| 04:44.48 | anomaly | dell xps m1330 |
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| 04:47.28 | CrazyGir | somiaj: N: Can't select versions from package 'man' as it purely virtual |
| 04:47.50 | somiaj | CrazyGir: what is giving you that error? |
| 04:48.50 | CrazyGir | apt-cache show man |
| 04:48.51 | somiaj | CrazyGir: there is no packaged named 'man', not sure what its saying besides that though. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=man |
| 04:49.05 | CrazyGir | there's a virtual package named man |
| 04:49.15 | joe6 | anyone knows how to fix this error: configure: error: linker with -z relro support required |
| 04:49.26 | joe6 | i have gcc (Debian 4.6.1-10) 4.6.1 |
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| 04:50.12 | somiaj | CrazyGir: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html (check out section 3.6) |
| 04:50.24 | yagoo | anomaly, do u know the deviceid/vendorid? (lspci -vv) |
| 04:50.50 | somiaj | CrazyGir: I don't know how to search virtuial packages, but now I know what you are talking about. (: |
| 04:51.25 | joe6 | mawk was causing that error. ignore it. installing gawk fixed it. |
| 04:51.25 | somiaj | CrazyGir: but they aren't real packages, they are just 'provided by' other packages in teh case you have multiple packages providing the same functionality other packages can depend on the vitural package and not care about which provider you use. |
| 04:51.25 | CrazyGir | hrms |
| 04:51.47 | CrazyGir | yea, I understand their purpose |
| 04:51.55 | CrazyGir | I'm trying to identify the "correct" package |
| 04:51.58 | somiaj | CrazyGir: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt |
| 04:51.59 | yagoo | anomaly, try editing /etc/modprobe.cd/alsa-base -- and add "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop-eapd" -- reboot and see what happens |
| 04:52.29 | CrazyGir | I believe this isn't really an issue here though, as I included the man package in a puppet config due to a ubuntu system |
| 04:52.41 | CrazyGir | so I can remove that package in this instance |
| 04:52.48 | CrazyGir | thanks for the links somiaj |
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| 04:57.53 | somiaj | CrazyGir: have you checked the alternatives for the package |
| 04:58.20 | CrazyGir | It's ok to bypass that issue on this laptop |
| 04:58.36 | CrazyGir | I'll have to figure it out on the ubuntu systems though |
| 04:58.49 | CrazyGir | using puppet to manage my infrastructure (and laptops!) |
| 04:59.01 | CrazyGir | it's great. and if you aren't doing it, it's worth considering.. |
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| 05:02.29 | CrazyGir | is it relatively easy to configure system/disk encryption on a new install, once installed? |
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| 05:02.42 | CrazyGir | or is it easier to simply wipe and setup during the install? |
| 05:03.02 | CrazyGir | I overlooked this during the install, didn't remember seeing it actually |
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| 05:11.16 | somiaj | Well I wasn't able to find anything regarding searching only the 'Provides' field of packages |
| 05:12.00 | somiaj | saw the bug that said when they made apt search though Provides field, but the only suggestions I see to limiting your search to only the Provides field was to pipe the data from apt into sed/grep or some other parser. |
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| 05:15.54 | joe6 | on a debian system, which library contains fwrite/abort/fread or the other standard library functions? |
| 05:15.57 | joe6 | I checked out libc.a |
| 05:16.02 | joe6 | but, it does not seem to define fwrite, perse. |
| 05:16.06 | joe6 | it defines _IO_fwrite and fwrite_unlocked. |
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| 05:16.15 | roue | hola |
| 05:16.31 | roue | anyone know where to find linux-3.0.4.tar.bz2 now that kernel.org is offline? |
| 05:16.59 | roue | I'm looking on github, but only see the 3.0 release and rc's, and the 3.1 rc's. |
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| 05:19.53 | somiaj | I have it in /usr/src/ :D -- I was going to suggest debians version, but it looks like they only 3.0.0 |
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| 05:20.55 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-source-3.0.0 |
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| 05:22.15 | tuv | how do i find out which process is using my cpu the most over a long period of time (day, month)? |
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| 05:33.50 | p_quarles | tuv: I believe that's what the TIME+ column in htop tells you |
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| 05:38.23 | simonlnu | yep |
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| 06:04.07 | tuv | p_quarles, simonlnu: yes. i just would like to keep track of it over time to see any trends |
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| 06:04.43 | p_quarles | tuv: okay, well, htop does that, as said |
| 06:06.18 | tuv | p_quarles: htop shows me the process that has the most cpu up to now. after 10 minutes, that process may change. i want to keep track of which process is that top process continuously and be able to find that historic information whenever i need |
| 06:07.13 | p_quarles | tuv: afaik, htop doesn't reset the value until you turn it off |
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| 06:10.16 | simonlnu | only if the process exits does the value get reset |
| 06:12.47 | simonlnu | tuv: you want something to monitor it, like munin or some other thing |
| 06:12.49 | p_quarles | oh, true; so it would just calculate a single pid/instance of a process |
| 06:13.07 | tuv | you are missing the point. i'm not interested in the time value. i want to know the process with the hightest time value *now*. i want to know the process with the highest time value *10 minutes ago*. i want to know the process with the highest tim value *yesterday*, ...etc |
| 06:13.26 | tuv | simonlnu: exactly |
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| 06:13.57 | tuv | simonlnu: munin monitors numbers. in this case, the value i'm interested in is not a number. it's a process name |
| 06:14.12 | simonlnu | well, you have your choice. there's several sets of packages to handle that |
| 06:14.30 | simonlnu | they can do that |
| 06:14.46 | tuv | simonlnu: i'm familiar (and actually do use) quite a few. haven't seen this metric yet |
| 06:15.03 | n-iCe | hello, I did something bad, might be easy to fix, that's why I ask you guys, I am using testing, but I added stable resources list and updated and upgraded, now lot of bugs sinces that, I moved my sources to testing now, but every time I try to install a packaged seems like dependencies problems are still there, any way how to fix it? |
| 06:15.05 | tuv | it's tricky to present in a graph |
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| 06:15.41 | peterrooney | n-iCe: you poor dear. |
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| 06:16.07 | n-iCe | peterrooney: so am I screwed? |
| 06:16.09 | simonlnu | can be. because they don't necessarily monitor a process only but stats they can produce |
| 06:16.10 | tuv | n-iCe: you upgraded from testing to stable? that cannot be done |
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| 06:16.40 | simonlnu | ouch. good luck with that n-iCe |
| 06:16.41 | n-iCe | tuv: I installed testing, and used stable sources list, I mean I did update and upgrade, now everytime I try to install something dependencies problems come |
| 06:16.54 | n-iCe | so not easy to fix |
| 06:17.11 | valdyn | n-iCe: so you need to fix those "dependency" problems as they arise. No big deal, read the error messages. |
| 06:17.31 | tuv | n-iCe: are most of the installed packages from stable or from testing? and where do you want them to end up? |
| 06:17.42 | n-iCe | valdyn: yeah it is annoying, because I have to install like 10 packages pear software I want and it is MANUALLY |
| 06:18.07 | peterrooney | n-iCe: you could be stubling across dependancy issues until wheezy is declared stable... |
| 06:18.12 | n-iCe | i have been thinking in aptitute, I read can be my solution |
| 06:18.15 | peterrooney | s/stubling/stumbling/ |
| 06:18.50 | n-iCe | the thing I don't use stable is because my buil-in laptop mic doesn't work, just doesn't work, tried everything and came here and you guys tried everything as well, no fix, and works in testing |
| 06:19.10 | n-iCe | I just don't want to use Ubuntu, I really like Debian |
| 06:19.11 | peterrooney | n-iCe: maybe, look through dpkg logs and uninstall everything installed since your change to sources.list ? |
| 06:19.31 | n-iCe | peterrooney: A clean install might take lees time I thin |
| 06:19.37 | n-iCe | less, think |
| 06:19.45 | peterrooney | n-iCe: backports? |
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| 06:20.03 | n-iCe | sorry? |
| 06:20.06 | peterrooney | is kinda sorry if this is rehashing |
| 06:20.12 | peterrooney | dpkg: backports |
| 06:20.12 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 06:30.13 | Some_Person | Weird bug? http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2430/screenshotwindows7fileb.png |
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| 06:37.07 | joe6 | ../glibc-2.14/configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/glibc-2.14 --disable-shared : fails with this error: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/j/local/glibc/objdir/misc/vm86.o', needed by `/home/j/local/glibc/objdir/misc/stamp.o'. Stop. |
| 06:37.36 | joe6 | http://plash.beasts.org/wiki/GlibcBuildIssues : has the solution as deleting the objdir and trying again, but that does not help. |
| 06:37.41 | joe6 | any suggestions, please? |
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| 06:40.52 | reg1 | i have just installed Debian.. but it takes me to GUI and i am not able to do anything there. any idea how to revert back to command line |
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| 06:42.32 | p_quarles | reg1: ctrl-alt-F1 to get to tty1; ctrl-alt-F2 for tty2, etc |
| 06:43.44 | reg1 | p_quarles: not working. i have the gray scree with a "X" icon ... |
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| 06:44.09 | reg1 | p_quarles: rebooted it number of time to abort it booting into gui |
| 06:44.56 | reg1 | it says xconsole but i am unable to do any this |
| 06:45.08 | reg1 | is this something like terminal window in red hat ? |
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| 06:45.45 | p_quarles | if it's not letting you switch to a TTY, then you may have to use a grub boot option to bring up the root console; sorry I don't remember the option off the top of my head |
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| 06:48.22 | alazare619 | !fstab |
| 06:48.23 | dpkg | i guess fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
| 06:48.26 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 06:48.27 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 06:48.54 | wols_ | reg1: do you have a login screen first or just the grey screen with big X? |
| 06:49.18 | wols_ | joe6: why do you build your own glibc? |
| 06:49.20 | reg1 | wols_: a login sceen |
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| 06:49.34 | reg1 | when i login it a big x |
| 06:49.41 | wols_ | reg1: in the login screen, press "ctrl+alt+f1" |
| 06:49.49 | reg1 | tried that |
| 06:49.51 | reg1 | dididnt work |
| 06:49.54 | wols_ | what videocard? |
| 06:49.57 | joe6 | wols_, because, I am trying to build a relocatable static .o file that I can use with ghc |
| 06:50.17 | wols_ | joe6: what .o file? |
| 06:50.19 | joe6 | with gcov and gcov defines this symbol U _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ |
| 06:50.38 | joe6 | wols, i want to create a static relocatable object file. |
| 06:50.51 | wols_ | joe6: debian has no glibc, so I suggest you ask the glibc folks why their source isn't compiling |
| 06:51.00 | joe6 | ok, thanks. |
| 06:51.28 | reg1 | at the bottom of hte graphical login screen there is a white window which comes up after i login too. But unable to do anything in that Window |
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| 06:51.29 | wols_ | joe6: doesn't really make sense to me. if you want to link some library to some other project, you use just that: a lib, not an object file |
| 06:51.43 | wols_ | reg1: please answer my question |
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| 06:52.03 | joe6 | wols_, yes, the lib defines some symbols that are not in the static build. |
| 06:52.40 | wols_ | joe6: are you using the ghc frm debiab? |
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| 06:53.23 | reg1 | wols_: question pls |
| 06:53.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:55.15 | reg1 | not sure. this is the in the Vmwsre console |
| 06:55.40 | wols_ | have you installed the vmware tools? |
| 06:55.52 | reg1 | no not yet |
| 06:55.59 | wols_ | then you should do that... |
| 06:56.16 | wols_ | and you can boot to console from grub, so no DM gets started |
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| 06:56.34 | reg1 | how to boot to grub |
| 06:56.47 | wols_ | you don't boot "to grub". grub is your boot manager |
| 06:56.58 | wols_ | which version debian do you run? |
| 06:57.02 | reg1 | 3.0 |
| 06:57.05 | joe6 | anyone using binutils-gold? I am about to swap my binutils with binutils-gold. |
| 06:57.15 | valdyn | reg1: hah |
| 06:57.16 | wols_ | !woody |
| 06:57.16 | joe6 | want to check if someone else has any experiences with it? |
| 06:57.17 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
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| 06:57.34 | wols_ | reg1: not supported anymore. please install squeeze |
| 06:57.35 | reg1 | yeah woody |
| 06:58.06 | reg1 | i had an IOMETER tool which is only compatible with 3.0 |
| 06:58.08 | wols_ | is there any special reason you run woody inside a VM? |
| 06:58.17 | wols_ | ,version iometer |
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| 06:59.04 | reg1 | 2006.07.27 |
| 06:59.29 | wols_ | yes |
| 07:00.03 | reg1 | thats the version |
| 07:01.24 | wols_ | valdyn: is it me, or is it presunday? |
| 07:01.29 | reg1 | when i left click i see the main menu when i release it goes away |
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| 07:03.33 | valdyn | !permasunday |
| 07:03.33 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 07:07.12 | MaXim_ | great |
| 07:07.17 | MaXim_ | ntfs-3g is locked up |
| 07:07.20 | MaXim_ | and using 100% cpu |
| 07:07.45 | wols_ | kill it with fire |
| 07:08.44 | xingu | "using 100% cpu"... I bet it isn't. :) |
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| 07:09.19 | MaXim_ | well whatever it was doing i nuked it and all is good now |
| 07:11.23 | xingu | http://lwn.net/Articles/425583/ <-- a nice way to see what's actually going on; nb, user processes stuck in D state rarely use much of anything. |
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| 08:15.19 | [E]sc | after i installed compiz on my lenny, my whole system is messed up...there's no window title bar, all my windows are stacked and i can't alt-tab through them...any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 08:18.25 | amphi | [E]sc: it sounds as though compiz is not running |
| 08:18.27 | Worf | [E]sc: sounds as if you have no window manager running ... did compiz actually start? |
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| 08:19.11 | wols_ | !tell MaXim_ about gnome3 |
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| 08:20.34 | [E]sc | amphi, Worf, it did start, i was testing out the options after installing compiz, but then i closed the terminal window after doing a compiz --replace and all hell broke loose. |
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| 08:21.11 | Worf | hmm ... do terminals kill their childs? |
| 08:21.35 | amphi | yes |
| 08:21.37 | Worf | [E]sc: ddid you eventually not put a "&" at the end of the command line? |
| 08:22.16 | amphi | [E]sc: if you start compiz from a term, do 'compiz --replace &; disown' |
| 08:22.21 | [E]sc | Worf, no, i just did: compiz --replace, closed the terminal and was about to reboot...and it bottomed out on me. |
| 08:22.52 | Worf | well, if you were about to reboot then it's ok to kill your windowmanager ... :) |
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| 08:24.15 | [E]sc | Worf, amphi but now just trying to type in terminal the focus ends up on XChat... is there a way to enable compiz on boot? because i read it was compiz --replace on wiki.debian.org/compiz |
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| 08:25.04 | Worf | [E]sc: the recommended way would propably be to specify compiz as window manager ( instead of whatever you start and replace now ) |
| 08:25.20 | amphi | [E]sc: if you use startx, you can put compiz in your ~/.xsession; if you use a DM, I don't know |
| 08:25.22 | urlin2u | [E]sc, rebooot compiz will auto start. |
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| 08:25.47 | riefle | hello, how can i filter an document so it wont show duplicated lines? |
| 08:26.13 | amphi | I haven't tried compiz in a long time, but if it's anything like it was, I wouldn't hang my X session on it ;) |
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| 08:26.43 | [E]sc | lol @ amphi |
| 08:27.06 | [E]sc | urlin2u, i tried rebooting, but the compiz didn't start properly because now i have this broken window experience. |
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| 08:27.43 | [E]sc | Worf and amphi i'll try rebooting again and doing that compiz specify... *fingers crossed* |
| 08:27.46 | urlin2u | [E]sc, you may not have it set up or have you tweaked it? |
| 08:27.57 | amphi | [E]sc: compiz grows more sophisticated - windows used to be merely wobbly, rather than broken ;) |
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| 08:29.10 | stephen_ | anyone know about AV linux? |
| 08:29.12 | Worf | and why all this rebooting? |
| 08:29.22 | [E]sc | urlin2u, i enabled the move window, resize window, application switcher, ring switcher in window management, but it's not working. |
| 08:29.36 | EyesIsMine | How would I use multi windows with Debian 6? |
| 08:30.19 | [E]sc | i can't even type in terminal because it forces the focus back on here... |
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| 08:31.08 | amphi | [E]sc: I expect compiz is not running; you can easily switch to another VT and check with ps |
| 08:31.09 | urlin2u | [E]sc, http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 08:32.32 | amphi | [E]sc: you can also try starting compiz from a text VT, with 'DISPLAY=:0.0 compiz --replace &' and see what happens |
| 08:33.16 | [E]sc | thanks urlin2u amphi, i'll try to give that a try. |
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| 08:36.00 | riefle | Hey. I have a document with multiple lines such as 'a b c d e a b a b a b e f g h i j a b a b a' one letter each line, i wanna filter it just for showing once each entry, how can i do it? |
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| 08:36.55 | TuxFighter | Hi try to update aide (debian) via aide.wrapper --update and it still giving tons of changed files |
| 08:37.22 | amphi | riefle: if the order is not important, you can pipe through sort -u |
| 08:37.53 | riefle | its not important, i tried with uniq but still not working properly still many duplicate |
| 08:38.19 | amphi | riefle: uniq needs its input to be sorted |
| 08:38.52 | riefle | ya |
| 08:38.54 | riefle | thanks amphi |
| 08:39.02 | amphi | you're welcome |
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| 08:46.15 | [E]sc | amphi, Worf much thanks, the compiz wasn't booting properly, now that it works...i'm...kinda disappointed with the effects...all that trouble... hahaha |
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| 08:48.34 | Soothsayer | Can apache be restarted by a non-root user? I need my build script to restart apache. |
| 08:48.43 | Soothsayer | website deployment script* |
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| 08:49.07 | samael | hello |
| 08:50.29 | amphi | [E]sc: now install xmonad ;) |
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| 08:52.49 | [E]sc | amphi, i'm on it...!! |
| 08:52.59 | wols_ | Soothsayer: no. apache needs root priviledges to open port 80 |
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| 08:54.04 | amphi | [E]sc: http://xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/index.html will give you an idea of what you can do with it |
| 08:54.14 | smhar | I am thinking of compiling my kernel 3. is there anything different to it than compiling a 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:54.59 | Soothsayer | wols_, hmm.. what would be a one command for becoming root and restarting apache? (I'm willing to put the root password in my deployment script) or take it as input. |
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| 08:57.11 | Whitesquall | Soothsayer: you can edit /etc/sudoers |
| 08:57.26 | wols_ | a deployment script should run as root. seen dpkg install as non root lately? |
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| 08:58.29 | Soothsayer | wols_, hmm.. but then i've to set too many permissions so apache, mod_fcgid, php, etc can access it. |
| 08:58.41 | Soothsayer | Whitesquall, does sudo allow a password to be sent to it without interaction? |
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| 08:58.59 | wols_ | you don't need a password with sudo if you configure it that way |
| 08:59.09 | Soothsayer | wols_, gotcha. |
| 08:59.25 | Soothsayer | then that seems to be the right option. |
| 08:59.45 | samael | debian squeeze, is it possible to interrupt an init script during the boot process? ctrl+c has no effect at all.. |
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| 09:01.36 | jaggz | anyone know a script which I can, say, "echo word | webtrans english german" and it'll translate the word and display it on the screen? |
| 09:01.44 | jaggz | echo word | webtrans english spanish # outputs "palabra" ("word" in Spanish) |
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| 09:02.57 | Bushmills | jaggz: links2 -dump http://scarydevilmonastery.net/dict.cgi?word - you may have to filter output to remove the other translations |
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| 09:05.23 | jaggz | I think I found one |
| 09:05.30 | jaggz | ooh, thanks Bush |
| 09:05.35 | jaggz | http://www.howtoforge.com/using-google-translate-from-the-command-line |
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| 09:10.36 | wols_ | samael: afaik no. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:17.14 | EyesIsMine | er, how do I get ldconfig for dpkg |
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| 09:17.26 | wols_ | ldconfig is already installed |
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| 09:17.39 | unseensoul | Hi |
| 09:17.39 | EyesIsMine | yeah, but where |
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| 09:18.00 | wols_ | which ldconfig |
| 09:18.00 | [E]sc | thanks amphi let's make this thing look pretty haha |
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| 09:18.49 | EyesIsMine | hm |
| 09:19.12 | EyesIsMine | I need libc6 now. |
| 09:19.39 | samael | wols_: e.g. on a laptop, you configure the network on DHCP somewhere, then shutdown and move somewhere else where no DHCP server is available. at boot process you'll have to wait until the timeout occurs. same for openvpn clients. |
| 09:19.48 | wols_ | yes |
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| 09:21.12 | wols_ | EyesIsMine: what are you doing? from the soundof it, it's something you will regret very soon |
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| 09:21.26 | EyesIsMine | Attempting to configure dpkg. |
| 09:21.37 | wols_ | and you need to redo that why? |
| 09:21.42 | samael | but I think I can play a bit in interfaces(5) (maybe using allow-hotplug) and deal with some little bash code in the init scripts. shouldn't be so difficult.. |
| 09:22.07 | EyesIsMine | wols_, it's fun |
| 09:23.43 | unseensoul | Why am I getting the old (root) GTK theme when I launch some gnome applications (such as eog)? |
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| 10:04.21 | archman | has anyone had this problem where the middle (L+R) mouse button just stops working on its own and doesn't work until you relogin? |
| 10:04.39 | archman | (stable release) |
| 10:05.23 | archman | (oops, GNOME DE) |
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| 10:29.16 | Sgt_Lemming | whoops |
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| 10:29.28 | Sgt_Lemming | just made the 1m load average hit 4420 |
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| 10:34.15 | richo | I'm trying to get debian to install on my power4 based intellistation. I'm finding lots of reports about this issue and debian and derivatives failing in the same way, but YDL succeeding. Anyone here knowledgable about PPC hardware to look at it with me? |
| 10:34.24 | richo | The issue is a hand at "returning from prom_init" |
| 10:34.47 | richo | Although I believeit's not a hand per se, just that it can't do anything more with the video driver, so while it does continue, I can't see anything |
| 10:35.12 | wols_ | !ppc |
| 10:35.12 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:36.50 | richo | Thanks wols_ |
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| 10:38.52 | MaXim_ | !sparc |
| 10:38.53 | dpkg | SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:00.01 | wols_ | I have a .deb file and what to know its dependencies and such. any way to see that without unpacking or installing it? |
| 11:00.40 | richo | dpkg -I n.deb? |
| 11:00.40 | dpkg | package n.deb is already installed |
| 11:01.20 | richo | huh? |
| 11:01.23 | Arafangion | dpkg -I Arafangion.deb |
| 11:01.24 | dpkg | installs Arafangion.deb into arafangion's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 11:01.30 | richo | really? I just tried it on a local one |
| 11:01.30 | Arafangion | Damn straight. |
| 11:01.47 | richo | although aptitude show "package" ought to work too |
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| 11:02.16 | wols_ | thank you. didn't see that in dpkg --help |
| 11:02.29 | richo | it's in the manpage, at least in the experimental apt |
| 11:02.48 | richo | I'm gunna try gentoo media I think, see if I can't bootstrap debian from there, assuming it'll boot |
| 11:02.59 | richo | debootstrap being in gentoo's portage is /really/ handy. |
| 11:03.52 | Loaferleach | /really/ handy |
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| 11:11.02 | shbk | hello, may be someone 'll help me. i want to find out how many keys my keyboard has. i have tried lshw , lspci, hwinfo, sysinfo,hardinfo. |
| 11:11.02 | shbk | i am planning if this bash function to use it in c++ via system() call, afterward receive output, parse it and take what i needed. |
| 11:11.02 | shbk | i 've almost all info about system which is needed. |
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| 11:21.04 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 11:21.23 | ROKO__ | there is a page in wiki for compilling our kernel ? |
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| 11:23.37 | dFence | hi guys - quick question: is it possible to use autofs to merge an existing directory (w/ subfolders) with a remote, say NFS share? |
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| 11:28.56 | krathox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:31.45 | llutz | krathox: does the 5552 have a 64bit cpu? |
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| 11:32.44 | nevyn | krathox: does it have an atom or i3/i5/i7 cpu? |
| 11:32.57 | EvilGenius101 | I'm in resuce mode, trying to reset a root password. but not sure what partition to mount as I've got Sda,sda1,sda2 but the O.S is on a SSD that i cannot seem to mount |
| 11:33.11 | dgeary2 | i asked about getting 148f:3072 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT3072 Wireless Adapter working with Debian Squeeze a few weeks ago and someone pointed me toward rt2870sta, however i am using a powerpc machine and am therefore stuck with rt2800usb driver. problem is no scan results. any ideas? |
| 11:33.18 | nevyn | EvilGenius101: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 11:33.25 | krathox | llutz:i read the instruction and say amd athlon II dual core p340 (2.22 ghz- imb l2 cache - 1066 mhz fsb) |
| 11:33.42 | nevyn | EvilGenius101: or do you mean a rescue CD? |
| 11:33.47 | EvilGenius101 | nevyn, and then , passwd root ? |
| 11:33.53 | EvilGenius101 | nevyn, its a server |
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| 11:34.01 | nevyn | EvilGenius101: how are you in rescue mode? |
| 11:34.05 | dgeary2 | also, i never see 'link becomes ready' in /var/log/messages |
| 11:34.27 | EvilGenius101 | nevyn, resue from ssh |
| 11:34.33 | EvilGenius101 | rescue* |
| 11:34.41 | dgeary2 | but i'm not sure if 'link becomes ready' only occurs after association with an access point |
| 11:35.01 | nevyn | rescue from ssh??? |
| 11:35.06 | llutz | krathox: so check amd for further info. if in doubt and the netbook has <= 4GB, just use 32bit |
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| 11:35.38 | xf_merc | krathox: CPU has 64 bit support, according to http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Athlon-II-P340-Notebook-Processor.37883.0.html |
| 11:35.53 | xf_merc | krathox: so you can use 64 bit version of debian |
| 11:36.38 | EvilGenius101 | neyn, I enabled recue from server CP & then it rebooted into rescue and the new password was generated for rescue mode. |
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| 11:39.54 | krathox | xf_merc: i am very grateful for you assistance, and i will try to install to best i can (sorry for my english is not very good) |
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| 11:40.39 | krathox | by the way, how much swap in hard i need, if you let me know? |
| 11:42.47 | xf_merc | krathox: depends how much ram you have. I tend to go for RAM * 1.5 |
| 11:42.51 | ompaul | krathox: it depends on what kind of a box for a server always 2x the ram, for development same again for a desktop up to 2gigs but if you are using 2gigs of swap you have biggggg issues |
| 11:43.41 | xf_merc | sheds a tear at the thought of consuming 2gb of swap |
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| 11:44.07 | ompaul | krathox: the development is and server stuff is to allow for bad crashes (not seen one that bad in 10 years) but I have had occasion to run code that needed 16gigs of ram for a rather nasty data sort clean up and parse |
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| 11:45.26 | krathox | this machine have 4 gb of ram ddr3 |
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| 11:46.16 | ompaul | krathox: but what is it's primary use. |
| 11:46.31 | ompaul | note the operative word is Primary :) |
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| 11:48.42 | DelphiWorld | Hey all |
| 11:48.49 | DelphiWorld | anyone use PowerDNS? |
| 11:48.56 | DelphiWorld | i installed / configured it sucsessfully |
| 11:49.04 | DelphiWorld | but i want to by able to use it as a forwarder |
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| 11:49.51 | Biscolo | Hello |
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| 11:50.31 | Biscolo | When i have done the update, I have seen two kernels in my pc |
| 11:50.38 | Biscolo | How can I remove the old one |
| 11:50.39 | krathox | i use word processor and mocp and mplayer and web browser if internet nerby |
| 11:50.41 | Biscolo | apt-get remove ??? |
| 11:52.22 | xf_merc | krathox: 2gb |
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| 11:54.01 | EvilGenius101 | how do i mount all devices in rescue. not sure where the o.s is? |
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| 11:56.38 | krathox | well, thank, i do not what to say, i only hope can help like you help me, gracias no se como agradecer la ayuda que hacen por mi, espero retribuircelos algun dia, larga vida a debian, long live and prosperity |
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| 12:13.46 | Iridos | Biscolo, why don't you try it... |
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| 12:17.52 | fossala | I have been using Debian on my desktop for years now and I am atm migrating my server from FreeBSD over to Debian. While transfering all my files back to the server I keep getting this. Message from syslogd@Spellbound at Sep 17 13:10:03 ... kernel:[ 8041.004084] Invalid GART PTE entry during table walk. |
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| 12:18.34 | deathwing | hi |
| 12:18.47 | deathwing | I'm getting this dbus error on kdm.log (with KDE 4.6.5 on Debian 6.0.2.1) -> http://pastebin.com/kvwnxMpS any idea? |
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| 12:20.02 | MaXim_ | that's what you get for trying to flee FreeBSD :P |
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| 12:20.39 | deathwing | ? |
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| 12:29.36 | JPT | dpkg-reconfigure localeconf says that "localeconf" is not installed... however, apt-get install localeconf says that it is unable to locate the package. i'm on testing. |
| 12:31.51 | thewanderer1 | JPT: so the behaviour is consistent. what's the problem? |
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| 12:31.57 | digitalknight | Hi, what would be the command to forward all internet packets from ppp0 to eth0? |
| 12:32.00 | digitalknight | I want to share internet from ppp0 to network eth0 |
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| 12:33.15 | JPT | well, i get tons of warnings about how my locales are not set or setting the locale has failed and i did not figure out how to fix this. |
| 12:33.34 | thewanderer1 | JPT: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 12:34.12 | thewanderer1 | digitalknights: it should be easy to find that on the Web using any search engine... it's a basic iptables task really |
| 12:34.21 | JPT | that's what i already tried. it generated some locales afterwards, but even after a reboot, the warnings appeared. |
| 12:34.38 | digitalknights | thewanderer1: Sorry I have no X so broswer |
| 12:34.45 | digitalknights | Im just setting up this system |
| 12:34.50 | thewanderer1 | digitalknights: links is fine too |
| 12:34.56 | thewanderer1 | (or w3m, or lynx...) |
| 12:35.10 | JPT | http://paste.debian.net/130575/ |
| 12:35.15 | digitalknights | It's very hard to find data |
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| 12:37.33 | thewanderer1 | digitalknights: example page with a pretty script: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES |
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| 12:38.45 | thewanderer1 | JPT: well, *now* you shouldn't be getting any more locale errors |
| 12:39.09 | JPT | well, that's my problem... i did this several times... and it did not work :/ |
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| 12:43.05 | JPT | aah, found it... had a leftover in /etc/environment |
| 12:43.07 | JPT | :) |
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| 12:49.19 | RichiH | how do i set my US-bought wireless card to europe? preferably manually, i.e. without CRDA or wireless-regdb |
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| 12:52.01 | digitalknights | Any way to make ppp connect pon when system boots? |
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| 12:54.28 | nicksb | anyone have experience installing the SDK for android with eclipse? I'm getting an error on debian, but it works on ubuntu |
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| 12:56.51 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
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| 12:57.29 | kristian-aalborg | so, I have a Debian installation on USB... I fear it may have gotten bad as xorg.conf is ignored |
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| 12:58.34 | kristian-aalborg | or perhaps it's .xinitrc... regardless, the X session won't start the way it's supposed to... how do I check if the pen has gone rotten? fsck -sumthin sumthin? |
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| 13:01.38 | kristian-aalborg | should I simply plug it in a working box and use tune2fs -v? |
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| 13:04.44 | kristian-aalborg | also, I power of the USB box with ssh cthulhu -l kristian -t "sudo poweroff" - that's okay, right? |
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| 13:06.58 | dualboot | RichiH: Is iw in the same named package what you look for - "iw reg set CN" to set wireless LAN to regulations for mainland China for example. Is not permanent, though. |
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| 13:13.31 | kvarley | How can I get HDMI audio working? Doing "aplay -D plughw:2,3 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" Works but I have no option to select the HDMI audio device on the sound control panel :/ |
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| 13:16.58 | Rusty1_64 | kvarley: http://alsa.opensrc.org/DigitalOut dunno if anything there will help, there is a #alsa channel as well |
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| 13:25.07 | qwer | Hi people. How can I convert a flv file (from youtube) to ogg? Is there a nice package? |
| 13:25.54 | kristian-aalborg | kvarley, try #alsa, they might be able to help |
| 13:26.08 | kristian-aalborg | qwer, mplayer perhaps? |
| 13:26.33 | kristian-aalborg | qwer, from YT? |
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| 13:26.50 | mms_ | hi I have opensolaris at first entry and windows (3 entries) listed in grub menu. currently no matter which os I choose it shows its startup screen and hangs. can you tell me how I can some how get to prompt from where I can do hard disk check. |
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| 13:27.23 | RichiH | dualboot: thanks, i will try that |
| 13:27.55 | qwer | kristian-aalborg: yes from youtube |
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| 13:28.13 | kristian-aalborg | I was gonna recommend tinyogg.org, but I just see that it's closed :( |
| 13:28.40 | kristian-aalborg | has a bit of shopping to do, says "ta" |
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| 13:34.54 | nicksb | solved my problem in the end :o) had to downgrade libjasper |
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| 13:36.22 | mms_ | I have booted using solaris install cd and choose opensolaris and also tried one with text console but both drop me into sunos copyright terminal and hangs |
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| 13:43.37 | bravvve | hello,a'v debian lenny for AMD64,and headphones are not detected |
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| 13:44.49 | savr | !moo |
| 13:44.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/*office/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 13:46.11 | xf_merc | I thought cows burped methane? |
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| 13:47.36 | bravvve | any one can help |
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| 13:47.53 | xf_merc | bravvve: What's your audi device? |
| 13:47.56 | xf_merc | *audio |
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| 13:48.57 | bravvve | how can i know that? |
| 13:49.22 | xf_merc | bravvve: Right back up a bit. What are you trying to do this on? |
| 13:49.29 | xf_merc | And what do you mean by a'v? |
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| 13:50.55 | bravvve | i'v,not a'v sory |
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| 13:51.44 | bravvve | i have vaio laptop,and wan to use headphone not speekers |
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| 13:59.56 | bravvve | i have 2 sound card :realtek hight definition audio,and idt sigmatel high definition audio codec |
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| 14:03.19 | xf_merc | bravvve: Sorry, got distracted. |
| 14:03.50 | xf_merc | bravvve: So when you plug in headphones, what happens? Do you get audio through both headphones and speakers? |
| 14:04.58 | bravvve | no just speekers,even if i stop speeker,i got nothing in headphone |
| 14:05.52 | xf_merc | Okay, have you looked to see if headphone and speaker volumes are seperate in the mixer? |
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| 14:06.16 | bravvve | yes they are separeted |
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| 14:07.25 | xf_merc | I recall having similar issues with my D630 back in Lenny |
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| 14:08.12 | xf_merc | It could just be that the drivers in the kernel just don't like that hardware. |
| 14:08.33 | xf_merc | My issues went away when I upgraded to Squeeze |
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| 14:09.06 | _doomster_ | I'm wondering, my ~/.mozilla is 189MiB, is that normal? |
| 14:09.22 | bravvve | i'ts not easy tp upgarded to squeeze |
| 14:09.23 | thewanderer1 | _doomster_: yes, and it's probably cache |
| 14:09.36 | xf_merc | bravvve: bravvve: My only suggestion really is just to play around with the settings in the mixer. You could also try asking at #alsa , they might be able to help. |
| 14:09.52 | MaXim_ | doomster: maybe not |
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| 14:10.01 | MaXim_ | depends what software you have that depends on xulrunner |
| 14:10.13 | xf_merc | bravvve: you could also try updating your kernel, if it the drivers in there then that might solve it |
| 14:10.29 | bravvve | xf_merc>ok am going there |
| 14:10.39 | thewanderer1 | hm, for me a kernel upgrade fixed all hardware problems :P |
| 14:10.55 | dvs | agrees |
| 14:11.03 | bravvve | how can i do that,compiling kernel? |
| 14:11.10 | dvs | But I can't get an updated kernel right now. :-( |
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| 14:11.13 | doomster | MaXim_: the only app I'm aware of is iceweasel. I don't use any other mozilla apps. |
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| 14:11.38 | thewanderer1 | I'm on 3.1-rc5 right now, it's mostly fine |
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| 14:12.01 | MaXim_ | firefox 3.0 and up use their own xulrunner |
| 14:12.02 | dvs | 3.0.4 works fine for me. |
| 14:12.09 | MaXim_ | do you have songbird or eclipse installed? |
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| 14:12.27 | cnz | what's a good p ackage to install to read temps |
| 14:12.31 | saati | hello, is this an appropriate place to ask questions about live-build? |
| 14:12.35 | cnz | sensors is saying my vc is running at 85c |
| 14:12.38 | doomster | MaXim_: no |
| 14:12.42 | dvs | bravvve: What do you mean "it's not easy to upgrade to Squeeze?" |
| 14:13.26 | MaXim_ | i guess you can try du -ch ~/.mozilla to find out what is stealing the space |
| 14:13.43 | MaXim_ | very few apps should be putting stuff in there |
| 14:13.44 | thewanderer1 | maybe your cache is set to a high value by default... |
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| 14:13.54 | MaXim_ | ancient versions of firefox and mozilla may though |
| 14:14.01 | thewanderer1 | cnz: and "vc" would be what? |
| 14:15.14 | MaXim_ | hmm nvm, just checked mine, 1.5GB :P |
| 14:15.22 | MaXim_ | probably firefox cache |
| 14:15.33 | mms_ | from bios can I do ram test ? |
| 14:16.11 | cnz | thewanderer1: video card |
| 14:16.21 | thewanderer1 | cnz: well, maybe it is! |
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| 14:16.42 | saati | mms_: your bios does a basic ram test in POST, it's unlikely to support anything more, you can use memtest86 |
| 14:17.24 | ant13 | hi everyone, i'm in the process of installing debian on my mac and I noticed i need refit, i also saw its available in debian repos but the files the repo version installs and the files I'd get downloading it from sourceforge are different (.efi files are different checksum) does anyone know what the reason would be? hopefully I'm not in the wrong place |
| 14:17.44 | mms_ | saati: if it reports fine in bios then does it mean its good enough ? |
| 14:18.00 | saati | not really |
| 14:18.11 | mms_ | my boot hangs and on trying various live cd...one from ubutu stated could not allocate memory |
| 14:18.11 | dvs | mms_: no |
| 14:18.32 | mms_ | thats why I wonder whether its ram issue |
| 14:18.33 | dvs | mms_: There is a memtest ISO that you can try. |
| 14:18.45 | mms_ | let me check |
| 14:20.02 | boudiccas | ant13; this is not a supprt channel, please ask in #debian |
| 14:20.17 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:20.21 | saati | boudiccas: this isn't #debian? |
| 14:20.26 | MaXim_ | lol |
| 14:20.30 | MaXim_ | this is only a chat channel |
| 14:20.32 | boudiccas | sorry wrong window |
| 14:20.40 | ant13 | lol? |
| 14:21.07 | MaXim_ | the support channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:21.27 | kristian-aalborg | erm, can I disable cron daemon? |
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| 14:21.41 | kristian-aalborg | I mean, it it used by default by the system? |
| 14:21.44 | ant13 | oh my bad pardon |
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| 14:23.09 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.25 | wols_ | various things won't work anymore then, e.g. logrotate |
| 14:23.28 | mms_ | memtest iso is just 1200kb |
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| 14:24.01 | mms_ | memtest iso is just 1200kb |
| 14:24.11 | dvs | yeah? |
| 14:24.20 | dvs | so? |
| 14:24.21 | wols_ | ,info memtest |
| 14:24.22 | judd | No record of package 'memtest' in squeeze/i386. |
| 14:24.25 | wols_ | ,info memtest86 |
| 14:24.26 | judd | Package memtest86 (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: thorough real-mode memory tester. Version: 3.5-2.2; Size: 127.6k; Installed: 400k; Homepage: http://www.memtest86.com/ |
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| 14:24.48 | dvs | wols_: Debian can't boot for him. |
| 14:25.14 | saati | mms_: that sounds right, it's just a very small program |
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| 14:25.24 | kristian-aalborg | wols_, to save resources/ boot faster |
| 14:25.30 | wols_ | kristian-aalborg: BS |
| 14:25.57 | kristian-aalborg | wols_, ? |
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| 14:26.08 | mms_ | alright booting with memtest |
| 14:26.12 | mms_ | lets see |
| 14:26.22 | saati | kristian-aalborg: you save maybe 1 MB of ram and 0.01 sec in the boot time |
| 14:26.26 | saati | you should not do this |
| 14:26.36 | saati | cron is very useful |
| 14:26.44 | kristian-aalborg | box is from 1998 |
| 14:26.57 | saati | cron is from 1970 |
| 14:27.00 | cnz | ok back |
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| 14:27.30 | kristian-aalborg | what I meant was, if it's not being used by the default system (like the ssh daemon, for instance) I might as well drop it |
| 14:27.39 | kristian-aalborg | hang on, I will boot the box |
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| 14:27.46 | xf_merc | kristian-aalborg: it's really not recommended. |
| 14:27.57 | xf_merc | kristian-aalborg: If the box is that old, why not change it? |
| 14:27.57 | wols_ | it is used by default. as I said it (or probably anacron) are used for things like logrotate |
| 14:28.03 | mms_ | if the memtest passes what guess for boot hang ? |
| 14:28.21 | mms_ | I am on intel hp pavillio laptop |
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| 14:28.35 | dvs | mms_: Where does it stop? |
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| 14:28.49 | kristian-aalborg | xf_merc, it's a cool machine for this task |
| 14:28.59 | Parsind | Releases of Mcron 1.0.6 --- 2010-06-19 |
| 14:29.03 | mms_ | dvs: its shows initial windows animation screen and stops those few colored dots come together.... |
| 14:29.18 | mms_ | dvs: in opensolaris it stops on its initial progress bar |
| 14:29.24 | wols_ | mms_: we do not support windows. we support debian. you can ask why your debian kernel hangs, NOT why windows hangs in here |
| 14:29.33 | wols_ | mms_: same for opensolaris |
| 14:29.41 | saati | mms_: every os hangs somewhere |
| 14:29.43 | saati | ? |
| 14:29.54 | dvs | mms_: Get a live Debian ISO and then call us. |
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| 14:30.40 | icesword | i am guessing you ran out your ram |
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| 14:30.48 | mms_ | dvs: I have business card one |
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| 14:31.34 | wols_ | mms_: then come back when you run it and have problems with it. not before |
| 14:31.44 | kristian-aalborg | these are the daemons that I have running: acpid, alsa-utils, fuse, hdparm, module-init-tools, procps, rsyslog, sudo, udev, x11-common |
| 14:31.50 | icesword | or maybe your ram is not plugged tightly something like that |
| 14:31.51 | kristian-aalborg | can I lose some of them? |
| 14:32.14 | wols_ | kristian-aalborg: laptop? |
| 14:32.48 | wols_ | kristian-aalborg: fuse, hdparm and sudo are unecessary. acpid can be if you run a desktop |
| 14:33.08 | MaXim_ | anyone remember a game called gnome stones? |
| 14:33.14 | MaXim_ | I remember playing it many many years ago |
| 14:33.20 | kristian-aalborg | wols_, yes laptop: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:380Z |
| 14:33.23 | MaXim_ | just wondering what has happened to it |
| 14:33.36 | saati | MaXim_: do ou mean same? |
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| 14:34.04 | MaXim_ | nah |
| 14:34.08 | MaXim_ | definitely not that |
| 14:34.22 | MaXim_ | it was this game where you dug underground and collected diamonds |
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| 14:34.36 | MaXim_ | had to watch out for boulders and enemies |
| 14:34.44 | MaXim_ | kristian-aalborg: quite a relic you got there :P |
| 14:34.50 | wols_ | so it is a boulderdash clone? |
| 14:35.04 | MaXim_ | yea |
| 14:35.06 | kristian-aalborg | MaXim_, indeed |
| 14:35.08 | MaXim_ | that must be it |
| 14:35.42 | kristian-aalborg | debian is *smooth* on it, though... as long as you stay away from anything not light |
| 14:36.07 | kristian-aalborg | emacs runs fine, along with a bunch of other editors... also, music playback is flawless |
| 14:36.10 | wols_ | on hardware like this, vlc is nice to play avis |
| 14:36.27 | MaXim_ | you could probably run X with something like awesome or xmonad |
| 14:36.30 | kristian-aalborg | yes, that could be done... but not that kind of setup |
| 14:36.35 | kristian-aalborg | or fluxbox |
| 14:36.37 | MaXim_ | window maker |
| 14:36.38 | wols_ | but it needs more memory |
| 14:36.45 | kristian-aalborg | but again, not neccesary |
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| 14:37.06 | kristian-aalborg | memory for boxen this old is stupidly expensive.... I have 99 megs |
| 14:37.40 | MaXim_ | i am running red hat 6.2 on an old Pentium MMX to relieve the nostalgia |
| 14:37.46 | wols_ | 96MB is ok, the 32MB quoted in thinkwiki is not |
| 14:37.47 | MaXim_ | 128mb of ram |
| 14:38.38 | icesword | you run debian on it? |
| 14:38.38 | jhutchins_lt | I talked with a company Friday that said they were still running RH2.1 on a production server. |
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| 14:38.55 | MaXim_ | linux 2.2 is truly primitive |
| 14:39.12 | MaXim_ | production servers with ancient software is not uncommon |
| 14:39.41 | Rick_ | Hello guys, I just setup my debian on a comparitively old lappy and can't figure out how to setup the 3945ABG Intel Wireless card and the Synaptics Touchpad |
| 14:39.43 | MaXim_ | my friend who is a sysadmin frequently encounters machines running OS/2 and netware |
| 14:40.05 | MaXim_ | you may need a firmware blob for that card rick |
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| 14:40.25 | Rick_ | Whenever i enable non free software in synaptics package manager *even as superuser the checkbox does not get ticked |
| 14:40.44 | Rick_ | MaXim, could you please guide me through ? |
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| 14:41.20 | MaXim_ | try editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:41.29 | MaXim_ | as root user |
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| 14:41.49 | MaXim_ | at the line that says "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib" |
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| 14:42.03 | MaXim_ | append "non-free" to it |
| 14:42.42 | kristian-aalborg | icesword, yes, regular squeeze netinstall |
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| 14:42.57 | kristian-aalborg | MaXim_, got any tips/hacks you'd like to share? |
| 14:43.04 | MaXim_ | hacks? |
| 14:43.18 | MaXim_ | ive not run any modern linux distros on ancient hardware so i can't say |
| 14:43.32 | MaXim_ | i tend to run ancient OS on ancient hardware :P |
| 14:43.51 | icesword | eh if you don't want graphic aeros could be nice |
| 14:43.51 | MaXim_ | os/2, ancient linux and BSD, dos etc |
| 14:44.06 | kristian-aalborg | you'd be surprised how much state of the art stuff you can actually do... like mutt and such ;= |
| 14:44.19 | kristian-aalborg | (not that I'm clever enough to use mutt) |
| 14:44.29 | MaXim_ | you can try cone |
| 14:44.44 | MaXim_ | it is more user friendly and supports multiple accounts with ease |
| 14:44.47 | MaXim_ | usenet too if you like |
| 14:44.56 | kristian-aalborg | I use alpine, it's cool |
| 14:45.16 | MaXim_ | trying to get linux on my ps2 lately |
| 14:45.29 | MaXim_ | some guy was successful in porting linux 2.6 to it, but i had trouble booting it |
| 14:46.24 | xf_merc | MaXim_: that always interested me, do you need any special gear to do it? |
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| 14:46.50 | MaXim_ | hmm not really, the disc is supposed to work in almost any ps2 |
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| 14:47.35 | MaXim_ | but my problem is that my ps2s are region 4 (australia) so they cant take advantage of the hack he used to launch the boot loader |
| 14:48.14 | MaXim_ | my fat ps2 is modchipped and that seems to interfere with the loading as well |
| 14:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Yeah, I put alpine on most of my mailservers so I can do management and diagnostics. |
| 14:48.57 | MaXim_ | so supposedly its bootable if i launched the boot loader manually as an ELF file but i've had no luck |
| 14:49.33 | MaXim_ | black rhino linux works well but that is truly ancient (kernel 2.2) |
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| 14:51.14 | MaXim_ | it's so old that it still has dselect package manager |
| 14:51.49 | blubberdiblub | yikes |
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| 14:52.03 | kristian-aalborg | give debian a spin on those boxen... you'd be surprised |
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| 14:52.42 | MaXim_ | i think i know what to expect, it would run fine as long as you don't install gnome or something |
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| 14:53.56 | MaXim_ | even xorg is pretty chunky though so maybe it's best to just use the console :P |
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| 14:54.53 | Rick_ | Can someone help me setup Intel 3945ABG wireless Card on Debian Wheezy ? |
| 14:55.29 | MaXim_ | Rick_: did you do what i said yet |
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| 14:55.44 | boudiccas | Rick_; try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:56.14 | Rick_ | Uh, i had a browser crash so can't see what you typed and irc logs take some time.. |
| 14:56.30 | MaXim_ | ic |
| 14:56.48 | MaXim_ | try following this guide |
| 14:56.50 | MaXim_ | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 14:58.00 | Rick_ | I already tried that before comming here. Doesn't work for me, Network manager states "Device not ready(firmware missing)" |
| 14:59.01 | trnzmeta | nite all |
| 14:59.06 | MaXim_ | can you confirm that you've added "non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 14:59.35 | Rick_ | yeah done through root terminal and vi |
| 14:59.42 | MaXim_ | alright |
| 14:59.49 | Rick_ | It is puzzling me too. |
| 14:59.52 | MaXim_ | and firmware-iwlwifi is installed? |
| 15:00.07 | Rick_ | yes, aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:00.56 | Rick_ | do i need a restart or should i submit a ticket for non working firmware in wheezy ? |
| 15:01.10 | MaXim_ | what happens when you type "modprobe iwl3945" |
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| 15:05.01 | rozie | Rick_: triple check messages. 3945ABG was working already in Etch, little chance something is broken. |
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| 15:07.37 | Rick_ | Maybe it's just me, will try a clean install and if still broken will shift back to stable build |
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| 15:08.49 | rozie | Rick_: no need to do such a thing. just read messages |
| 15:08.53 | mms__ | debian 6 net install is only 191M ? |
| 15:08.54 | Rick_ | btw is debian fastest noob friendly linux distro ? |
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| 15:09.18 | Rick_ | yeah, i did everything in wiki, irc logs, asked few guys here but no luck |
| 15:09.27 | rozie | OTOH Wheezy is testing. I guess you'd better use stable |
| 15:09.32 | mms__ | I have 4.0 and its 1G |
| 15:10.03 | rozie | mms_: 1GB is not netinstall, it's just and installer |
| 15:10.18 | Rick_ | netinst is ~200mb |
| 15:10.30 | mms_ | rozie: sorry actually 4.0 is 166M and 6.0 is 190M |
| 15:10.41 | kristian-aalborg | Rick_, the ppl here won't love me for this, but Ubuntu is more noob friendly |
| 15:10.45 | kristian-aalborg | ducks |
| 15:10.58 | mms_ | rozie: let me try download 6.0 |
| 15:11.09 | kristian-aalborg | I have netinstall, it defaults to about 600 megs I think |
| 15:11.21 | rozie | Rick_: Debian noob friendly? well... if noob is reading and trying to learn, yes. But I also agree Ubuntu is more noob friendly |
| 15:11.36 | rozie | and more tolerant to ignorance |
| 15:12.03 | LegalEagle | what is agood alternativ to gnome settings manager as iam tryingto runn a bare bones lxde setup and do't want a damn peice of gnome bloat in my system? |
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| 15:12.13 | Rick_ | btw, is it also faster ? i don't care much about noob friendliness as i've already been into linux distros for quite a time now and am sure looking forward to learn |
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| 15:12.41 | fossala | Rick_ if you want speed try arch or gentoo. |
| 15:12.43 | Rick_ | but however i feel that most of them just feel "Slow" to load/boot/launch stuff etc... |
| 15:12.55 | kristian-aalborg | Rick_, pretty much the same... depends a lot on how you configure it, and which desktop you run |
| 15:12.59 | saati | fossala: the old gentoo is fast myth |
| 15:12.59 | rozie | Rick_: you probably won't notice the difference |
| 15:13.37 | rozie | it's rather program version difference than system settings |
| 15:13.37 | MaXim_ | you probably don't even need gnome-settings-manager |
| 15:13.55 | Rick_ | i ran it on C2D E4500, OC to 3.27G with 4gig ddr2-800 ram and 9600gt and 80gb SLC SSD from Intel |
| 15:14.01 | kristian-aalborg | hey, I could do without the alsa daemon also! |
| 15:14.18 | skilz | How can I run ppp on boot? |
| 15:14.58 | kenifanying | hi all, when i try to remove evolution it will remove gnome-coreï¼ how can i remove evolution without remove gnome-core? |
| 15:15.03 | rozie | skilz: there's no build in option for this? |
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| 15:16.04 | davis | hello |
| 15:16.04 | blubberdiblub | skilz, try the ppp method in your /etc/network/interfaces. also "man interfaces" |
| 15:16.16 | rozie | Rick_: about the hardware. should we be jelous or hug you and say "don't worry, you'll get better, one day"? ;> |
| 15:16.35 | simonlnu | kenifanying: gnome-core is a meta-package. remove it, and set the stuff you wanna keep as installed. use something smarter than apt-get like aptitude |
| 15:16.41 | skilz | blubberdiblub, how would I put 'pon' in there? |
| 15:16.56 | davis | is it possible to bring up a wpa2 wifi connection without using /etc/network/interfaces and simply using the command line tools? |
| 15:17.04 | Rick_ | rozie: It wasn't to make anyone jealous or something, C2D are pretty old now and DDR2 sucks as well, as for the SSD, i won it in some competition :p |
| 15:17.30 | blubberdiblub | skilz, read the interfaces manpage and search for the ppp method in there. you don't put pon there directly. it will call pon for you |
| 15:18.13 | rozie | Rick_: well. PIII 1GHz 1GB RAM SDRAM. Still works fine and I like this machine. ;) |
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| 15:18.36 | kenifanying | simonlnu, thanks! |
| 15:18.55 | tensorpudding | C2D is still pretty powerful |
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| 15:19.01 | Rick_ | lol, and i used to think i was outdated :o |
| 15:19.18 | skilz | blubberdiblub, Im looking at it now, so I think maybe just 'ppp'? |
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| 15:20.34 | blubberdiblub | skilz, something like "iface ppp0 ppp" in one line and then a " provider yourprovidername" in a second indented line or so |
| 15:20.51 | rozie | Rick_: there's much marketing involved these days. manufactures would like us to change hardware every year |
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| 15:21.12 | blubberdiblub | skilz, and then also a line "auto ppp0" in front of the iface line, so it gets started at boot time |
| 15:21.13 | rozie | if something wokrs, no need to replace |
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| 15:21.59 | Rick_ | The problem is games like bfbc2 on windows lag a lot and it takes me ~15 mins just to compile linux 2.6.32 for my phone |
| 15:22.13 | rozie | Rick_: use ccache |
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| 15:22.38 | Rick_ | whats that ? |
| 15:23.01 | rozie | ccache. cache for compiler |
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| 15:23.22 | deathwing | hi |
| 15:23.28 | rozie | if you change some options and compile again you should see difference |
| 15:23.31 | JLuc | hello i got some newbe questions : how to get out of the 'man' command results ? |
| 15:23.40 | StefandeVries | Press Q |
| 15:23.48 | JLuc | yes ! |
| 15:23.51 | StefandeVries | ;) |
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| 15:24.06 | rozie | ctrl-c may work too |
| 15:24.13 | JLuc | no |
| 15:24.13 | deathwing | I'm trying to add a network printer (hosted on Windows XP machine). Should I use socket://hostname with cups to connect? |
| 15:24.36 | mms_ | memtest takes too long |
| 15:24.53 | JLuc | and : what is the command to display a textfile content ? 'type' does not exist |
| 15:25.11 | rozie | JLuc: tac |
| 15:25.14 | rozie | (; |
| 15:25.14 | blubberdiblub | skilz, there's a useful example there, even if you don't have exactly pppoe: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 15:25.51 | Rick_ | more filename does the work for me |
| 15:26.27 | JLuc | ok thanks |
| 15:26.32 | JLuc | what does tac stands for ? |
| 15:26.33 | wols_ | davis: yes it is |
| 15:27.05 | rozie | JLuc: it's cat reversed |
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| 15:27.16 | JLuc | hmhmmm |
| 15:27.23 | rozie | JLuc: you may also use less. or more |
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| 15:27.29 | wols_ | deathwing: that, or samba/cifs |
| 15:27.39 | JLuc | ah more ! |
| 15:27.47 | wols_ | JLuc: use "less" instead |
| 15:27.49 | thewanderer1 | less is more :) |
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| 15:28.12 | JLuc | got to Q to escape less too... |
| 15:28.19 | blubberdiblub | skilz, there's a useful example there, even if you don't have exactly pppoe: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 15:28.26 | JLuc | fine thanks |
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| 15:28.40 | wols_ | !reference |
| 15:28.40 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 15:29.01 | wols_ | JLuc: I suggest you read this reference. lots of helpful things in there |
| 15:29.04 | mms_ | debian cd image 1 is good enough ? |
| 15:29.10 | deathwing | wols_: I saw my printer is ready, but can't connect |
| 15:29.13 | rozie | JLuc: http://infodotnet.blogspot.com/2007/11/basic-bash-command-linux.html is also good |
| 15:29.13 | wols_ | mms_: to install debian? yes |
| 15:29.20 | mms_ | ok |
| 15:29.49 | JLuc | ok. that was next question :-) |
| 15:30.19 | rozie | JLuc: google for "basic bash commands" |
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| 15:30.21 | thewanderer1 | rozie: the most inaccurate name ever :D |
| 15:30.35 | rozie | thewanderer1: which one? |
| 15:30.47 | thewanderer1 | rozie: the "bash" and "linux" parts :P |
| 15:31.19 | rozie | well, good SEO there |
| 15:31.34 | rozie | most people will know name bash (if any) |
| 15:31.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sadly :P |
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| 15:31.46 | rozie | and use it on Linux |
| 15:32.05 | skilz | blubberdiblub, That says nothing about ppp at boot |
| 15:32.06 | Rick_ | uh, guys is gnome 3.1 worth it ? |
| 15:32.23 | wols_ | Rick_: there isn't even a proper gnome3 yet, where would 3.1 come from? |
| 15:32.53 | Rick_ | well their site lists that with 3.2test version |
| 15:33.01 | blubberdiblub | skilz, i'm talking about the example there. that starts pppoe (or ppp) on boot |
| 15:33.15 | Bushmills | Rick_ it's free therefore it is worth every penny |
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| 15:34.16 | deathwing | after restart cups I saw this errors: http://pastebin.com/L1gbPUn9 any idea? |
| 15:34.25 | Rick_ | Bushmills: i meant, is it just as irritating as "Unity" included in Ubuntu 11.04 onwards ? how about low powered pc, does it takes it toll on em due to all fancy transitions and animations ? |
| 15:34.45 | dracmas | Different people have different opinions on the next gnome. Some love it. I don't mind gnome3, but gnome-shell feels laggy on my computer so I'd rather not use it. |
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| 15:35.48 | Bushmills | Rick_ i'm sure you can return it if not satisfied |
| 15:36.00 | rypervenche | Rick_: I only know one person who likes it. Give it a try yourself and see what you think of it. |
| 15:36.28 | Rick_ | I will just do a clean install, i have a separate ~/ partition so no worries. |
| 15:36.46 | Bushmills | we don't worry. it is your system :P |
| 15:36.47 | Rick_ | rypervenche: can you guide me on how to install gnome 3 on debian ? |
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| 15:40.06 | rypervenche | Rick_: I think it is only in experimental |
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| 15:40.44 | wols_ | !gnome3 |
| 15:40.44 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 15:40.46 | Rick_ | won't hurt to try |
| 15:41.04 | tensorpudding | it actually can |
| 15:41.05 | wols_ | Rick_: which debian branch do you currently run? |
| 15:41.09 | tensorpudding | if your system gets hosed |
| 15:41.11 | Rick_ | wheezy |
| 15:41.12 | Rick_ | test |
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| 15:41.27 | wols_ | Rick_: and from what you wrote so far, I'm fairly sure it will hurt you |
| 15:41.35 | tensorpudding | there are other distros with stable releases using gnome 3 |
| 15:41.38 | rozie | Rick_: remember: upgrades on Debian are easy. downgrades are not. |
| 15:41.39 | tensorpudding | fedora, for instance |
| 15:41.46 | tensorpudding | you might dual-boot |
| 15:41.50 | nicksb | is using gnome3 and liiiikes it |
| 15:41.54 | wols_ | or use a schroot. or a VM |
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| 15:42.08 | tensorpudding | an schroot for gnome 3? |
| 15:42.16 | tensorpudding | wouldn't that require a lot of work? |
| 15:42.43 | dracmas | used a live boot of fedora so he wouldn't hose his system :P |
| 15:42.44 | tensorpudding | virtualbox doesn't support accelerated graphics in guests to the point required by gnome 3 |
| 15:42.47 | Rick_ | btw, what distro would you guys think is the fastest ? arch / fedora / debian / ubuntu ? |
| 15:42.48 | wols_ | what requires more: a full reinstall or a schroot? |
| 15:43.06 | tensorpudding | i didn't know you could schroot gnome |
| 15:43.33 | wols_ | why not. it's all userland, right? |
| 15:43.42 | tensorpudding | lots of interconnecting parts |
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| 15:44.02 | rypervenche | Rick_: All can be the same speed depending on how you set up the computer. I would say Arch or Debian out of the box because they don't come with much on them, but you can customize everything :P |
| 15:44.15 | tensorpudding | can the schrooted gnome use graphics acceleration |
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| 15:44.52 | wols_ | sure. you might have to bind mount dev or so, but why not? |
| 15:45.08 | tensorpudding | it just seems like it would conflict with host gnome |
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| 15:45.27 | tensorpudding | running it live sounds like the easiest way, seriously |
| 15:45.45 | tensorpudding | and safer, since it's fedora, not debian experimental or whatever |
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| 15:50.13 | Some_Person | Weird bug? http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2430/screenshotwindows7fileb.png |
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| 15:50.19 | Some_Person | or am I missing something? |
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| 15:52.58 | Rick_ | hmm, I'm getting a few uninstallable packages error in gnome.. |
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| 15:56.14 | rypervenche | Rick_: I would recommend that you try a liveCD of Fedora to try i tout. |
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| 15:56.37 | dracmas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.41 | dracmas | lol |
| 15:56.48 | dracmas | remembers the saying "If you break it, then you get to keep the pieces." |
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| 15:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 15:57.01 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 15:57.20 | GRMrGecko | I need a DNS server that does DNS whitelisting. Only allow a few domains to be queried. |
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| 16:00.10 | th0r | GRMrGecko: if you only want a few, don't use DNS...just add the entries to /etc/hosts |
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| 16:01.09 | wols_ | GRMrGecko: and if you want to serve these few domains to a full LAN, run dnsmasq and edit the hosts file on that machine accordingly |
| 16:01.20 | GRMrGecko | th0r: The problem⦠I do not know when they update their domain servers ip addresses |
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| 16:02.00 | GRMrGecko | wols_: I've heard of dnsmasq, would it allow me to just give it a few domains that it's allowed to lookup? |
| 16:02.50 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: There is probably a better way to do whatever it is you're really trying to do. |
| 16:03.19 | GRMrGecko | jhutchins_lt: I've been told to use squid as a proxy, but I don't want to do proxing |
| 16:03.33 | GRMrGecko | I want a master server which does dns lookups |
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| 16:03.49 | GRMrGecko | and if it's asking for the domains it allows then it will look it up |
| 16:04.21 | GRMrGecko | If there is a way to accomplish what I want without a proxy, I will do it |
| 16:04.23 | Oxy290 | any idea why the IP 85.31.186.122 would be connecting to my PhpMyAdmin? |
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| 16:04.56 | GRMrGecko | Oxy290: There are scanners out there that scans the internet for servers and problems with them |
| 16:05.02 | valdyn | Oxy290: how are we supposed to know? |
| 16:05.03 | GRMrGecko | tries to exploit the problems |
| 16:05.10 | GRMrGecko | it may be one of those |
| 16:05.19 | GRMrGecko | or someone could have stumbled apon it |
| 16:05.38 | GRMrGecko | back to my topic... |
| 16:05.39 | valdyn | Oxy290: but beside that, why the hell is your phpmyadmin accessible from the internet? |
| 16:05.56 | Oxy290 | no, several attempts have been made from this IP, and it does have a history of spamming? |
| 16:05.58 | GRMrGecko | I decided DNS would be the way as that's how it looks it up to begin with |
| 16:06.11 | GRMrGecko | so why not go to the core of the system and do it there? |
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| 16:06.19 | Oxy290 | valdyn: I do some remote stuff on my server. its not like its a production type thing or something |
| 16:06.38 | GRMrGecko | I am a programmer so if I have to modify code to an existing DNS server, I can. |
| 16:06.50 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: we dont know what you really want to do i think |
| 16:07.01 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: dnsmasq does what it sais in the package description |
| 16:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: Yes, we can tell you are not an administrator. Your are fixated on methodology rather than the overall goal. |
| 16:07.23 | wols_ | valdyn: he wants to limit his users to google.com and facebook.com basically. no other site |
| 16:07.37 | GRMrGecko | jhutchins_lt: I told you the goal, white list domains. |
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| 16:07.47 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: dnsmasq can do that |
| 16:07.56 | GRMrGecko | thanks. |
| 16:08.05 | GRMrGecko | I will look into that. |
| 16:08.18 | valdyn | wols_: what a fucked up idea |
| 16:08.44 | wols_ | wonder what GRMrGecko does when his users find out they can use http://ip.of.an.anon.proxy/?q=hotpornsite.com |
| 16:08.49 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: opening google.com opens almost the whole internet, might aswell not restrict |
| 16:09.17 | wols_ | valdyn: google.com is an example. dunno his sites he wants to use. but blocking via DNS resolving like he does is moronic |
| 16:09.45 | blubberdiblub | limiting dns lookups does not prevent users from using the ip adresses directly |
| 16:10.06 | wols_ | blubberdiblub: shush. let him find that out on his own |
| 16:10.15 | blubberdiblub | hehe, okay |
| 16:10.43 | GRMrGecko | wols_: I know of that issue, they won't be smart enough and if they are, I'll find a list of proxies and block them via routing tables. |
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| 16:11.16 | wols_ | GRMrGecko: yes, we know you are smarter than the chinese government. really, we do. |
| 16:11.34 | GRMrGecko | wols_: Please⦠I am annoyed with people doing this. |
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| 16:11.49 | GRMrGecko | I am not saying I'm smart, I am only trying to do one task |
| 16:11.54 | GRMrGecko | which is block domain names |
| 16:11.58 | GRMrGecko | not IP addresses |
| 16:12.01 | wols_ | no one claimed you were smart. |
| 16:12.14 | wols_ | or not smart either |
| 16:12.41 | GRMrGecko | Your just being rude by saying "GRMrGecko: yes, we know you are smarter than the chinese government. really, we do." |
| 16:13.04 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: If you are not enjoying your irc experience there is a solution for that... |
| 16:13.05 | wols_ | just pointing out that the chinese are trying to do the same as you |
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| 16:13.46 | valdyn | but the chinese do get google to cooperate ;) |
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| 16:14.05 | wols_ | well, they aren't smarter, just more powerful :) |
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| 16:18.18 | mms_ | I am booting with netinstall and on selecting install it gives blank screen |
| 16:18.25 | mms_ | looks like its not really installing |
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| 16:21.00 | mms_ | wols_: debian netinstall I am booting with and on choosing install its blank screen |
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| 16:23.23 | wols_ | you have a hardware problem as you've been told countless times now. not a debian problem |
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| 16:34.17 | mms_ | wols_: no one told me hardware problem. I did ram test and hdd test both went fine. |
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| 16:34.46 | wols_ | you didn't do a ram test. a ram test takes >= 24 hours. a hdd tests takes around 2 hours |
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| 16:34.50 | doomster | jump on it three times, if any pieces come loose, you have a hardware problem. |
| 16:35.15 | mms_ | wols_: I did quick self test of hdd from bios and memtest I did 7 tests and all went fine.... |
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| 16:35.47 | wols_ | mms_: and both are meaningless. please don't waste our time and yours. please? |
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| 16:38.46 | mms_ | any one knows how to get by boot hang after grub menu its tries to boot os and then in that os both win 7 and opensolaris it hangs....not only that I try to use install disks of os and they too hang....any idea ? |
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| 16:39.10 | mms_ | I tried even debian netinstall and that too hangs on choosing install |
| 16:39.29 | tsousa | i need the driver rt61 on my debian machine. but debian doesnt bring it. where can i download it and how can i install it? |
| 16:39.35 | wols_ | !rt61 |
| 16:39.35 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 16:40.15 | cjhmdm | hello, I'm trying to run an app (red5 streaming server, built from source) as a specific user, but when I run the startup script I get the following output: bash: /root/.bashrc: Permission denied |
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| 16:40.52 | wols_ | cjhmdm: your special user, does he have a home directory? |
| 16:40.53 | MaXim_ | !e1000 |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | e1000 is the Intel PRO/1000 driver, included in mainline Linux kernels. This driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sf.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000%20stable/ . See also <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. |
| 16:41.03 | cjhmdm | wols_ yes |
| 16:41.05 | wols_ | !tell MaXim_ about msg the bot |
| 16:41.16 | cjhmdm | also has a .bashrc script of it's own |
| 16:41.17 | wols_ | cjhmdm: you didn't give us enough info to help you |
| 16:41.31 | tsousa | how can i install an already existent .deb package on my system? |
| 16:41.36 | cjhmdm | typing it up now... |
| 16:41.44 | wols_ | tsousa: apt-get install <package>, dpkg -i <package> |
| 16:42.22 | cjhmdm | ok.. here's the init script: http://pastebin.com/nfbzw5jL |
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| 16:42.32 | cjhmdm | I run it while logged in as root and get the above error |
| 16:42.52 | cjhmdm | if I log in as the user and run it, I get password prompted.. which is not ideal for starting the script on boot |
| 16:42.56 | cjhmdm | at boot time* |
| 16:43.03 | cjhmdm | but I don't know what's causing the error |
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| 16:43.14 | egoga | How do I make a .cil file for an executable |
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| 16:43.23 | egoga | How do I make a CIL image for an executable |
| 16:43.59 | cjhmdm | my user has it's own home directory, has a .bashrc script of it's own.. and I also put BASH_ENV=~/.bashrc in my users .bashrc (also sourced it) |
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| 16:45.24 | wols_ | cjhmdm: man sudo |
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| 16:45.46 | maxexcloo | Hey |
| 16:45.53 | maxexcloo | I have a bash script |
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| 16:46.10 | cjhmdm | my user acct doesn't have sudo privs |
| 16:46.17 | maxexcloo | And I'm having a small issue with a section of it involving installing packages with apt-get |
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| 16:46.36 | maxexcloo | http://www.pastie.org/2548610 |
| 16:46.36 | cjhmdm | (the user I'm running the app as) |
| 16:46.41 | wols_ | cjhmdm: your sudo line is wrong. it doesn't run red5 as some user. at least not from what I can see from man sudo |
| 16:46.41 | maxexcloo | That snippet works |
| 16:47.01 | maxexcloo | Except it seems to only install packages with no dependancies |
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| 16:47.25 | maxexcloo | Example output: Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Abort. |
| 16:47.28 | maxexcloo | :\ |
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| 16:48.15 | cgc | maxexcloo: use 'apt-get -q -y install $package' |
| 16:48.21 | egoga | How do I make a CIL image for a .NET Windows executable |
| 16:48.27 | egoga | this is for mono |
| 16:48.34 | maxexcloo | cgc, <3 |
| 16:48.37 | maxexcloo | Thank you! |
| 16:48.57 | cgc | np :) |
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| 16:49.23 | wols_ | maxexcloo: unatteded install of packages is a very bad idea. you have been warned |
| 16:49.45 | wols_ | !tell egoga about mono |
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| 16:50.10 | maxexcloo | wols_, why do you say that> |
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| 16:50.27 | egoga | When I try to run mono file.exe, it says "Cannot open assembly '/root/file.exe': File does not contain a CIL image." How do I make a CIL image? |
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| 16:50.38 | maxexcloo | cgc, if you're interested this is what it was for :) |
| 16:50.38 | maxexcloo | https://github.com/maxexcloo/Minimal |
| 16:51.04 | wols_ | egoga: I suggest you follow the pointers dpkg gave you |
| 16:51.52 | cgc | maxexcloo: cool, i have my own which installs off a pxe server |
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| 16:54.01 | cgc | maxexcloo: I use this: http://www.hands.com/d-i/ |
| 16:55.01 | maxexcloo | cgc, mine is for minimal VPSes |
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| 16:55.23 | maxexcloo | My scripts can setup a small VPS (under 128 MB with full MySQL, PHP, Ngnix, etc) |
| 16:55.24 | maxexcloo | :) |
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| 17:00.18 | rypervenche | Quick question. Is apt-get getting better with dependencies, or are a lot of you still using aptitude? |
| 17:00.22 | thewanderer1 | guys, how long should it normally take for nscd to refresh its records? is it instantaneous or should I write a cron script to purge the cache sometimes? |
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| 17:00.38 | thewanderer1 | rypervenche: didn't touch aptitude for 3 years, am still alive :P |
| 17:00.46 | cgc | rypervenche: i've always used apt-get |
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| 17:04.31 | cgc | thewanderer1: i would imagine it would remove each record as they expire |
| 17:04.58 | thewanderer1 | cgc: yeah, and they expire how and when exactly? (short of reading the source...) |
| 17:05.40 | cgc | thewanderer1: the TTL in the DNS response |
| 17:05.41 | i-was-fedora | hi , i have recently swithched from (fedora) to (debian) , and in (fedora) i used to create (local repository) from my downloaded packages to be used with (yum), i tried to do the same in (debian) , but i failed, ending in put my downloaded packages in /var of apt and install them with apt ........ (depressed) .... how do i create local repo in debian/apt ??? |
| 17:06.01 | thewanderer1 | cgc: I'm caching LDAP posixAccount entries, no DNS involved |
| 17:06.19 | cgc | oh, not sure then |
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| 17:09.14 | i-was-fedora | i have used (dpkg-scanpackages) and i have added entry refering to my repo in (/etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 17:13.48 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: why exactly do you need a local repository? |
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| 17:15.26 | i-was-fedora | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.07 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: only foe me ..! |
| 17:16.11 | i-was-fedora | for |
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| 17:17.06 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: if you need to install the same packages on multiple computers, you should use an apt proxy |
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| 17:17.24 | thewanderer1 | first machine installs it and pulls from the Internet, all other take it from the cache |
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| 17:18.00 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: i told you , only for me ... |
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| 17:18.29 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: you can install the packages using dpkg you know |
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| 17:18.52 | wols_ | i-was-fedora: have you put the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 17:18.52 | i-was-fedora | i know bro , but dependency ... you know :( |
| 17:19.04 | i-was-fedora | yea |
| 17:19.25 | i-was-fedora | i wrote such before |
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| 17:22.01 | i-was-fedora | to specify my problem , i created the (packages.gz) file in the folder containing the packages using (dpkg-scanpackages) and i have added entry refering to my repo in (/etc/apt/sources.list) , detached my usb modem , but debian didn't recognize the packages ..... that's all |
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| 17:25.17 | fossala | Is it possible to install Virtualbox headless version? |
| 17:25.22 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: what do you mean by did not recognize? |
| 17:25.43 | thewanderer1 | fossala: save yourself the trouble and go for KVM+libvirt :P |
| 17:25.58 | fossala | I don't have hardware virtulization :( |
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| 17:26.09 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: it didn't even mention it when trying to apt-get upgrade |
| 17:26.14 | i-was-fedora | sorry . update |
| 17:26.47 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: strange, it should at least include an "Ign" (as in Ignore) line for malformed entries |
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| 17:27.26 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: hmm, packages.gz not Packages.gz ? |
| 17:27.30 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: this is my entry ( deb file:///home/egy3/localRepo/ ) |
| 17:27.46 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: its Capitalized , am sure P |
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| 17:28.37 | thewanderer1 | i-was-fedora: ok, you wrote it without the capital first so I mentioned that. your deb line should include a component path, like this: deb file:///home/egy3/localRepo ./ |
| 17:29.16 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: component path ?? i will try that :) |
| 17:30.07 | thewanderer1 | actually I'm not sure if that's the right syntax, but looks better than the previous at least :P |
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| 17:32.22 | joe6 | i am trying to add in some nicer colors for vim in console (gnome-terminal). export TERM=xterm-256color , but I cannot find any application called xterm-256color. Is it just as simple as installing another package or is it a bigger deal than that. |
| 17:32.26 | joe6 | or, how can I get gnome-terminal with more colors? |
| 17:32.27 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: ok wahe apt-get update ,it was like E: Malformed line 64 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist) <<< absolute ;) |
| 17:32.33 | joe6 | or, is there a better terminal than that. |
| 17:33.12 | fossala | joe6: I use xterm but alot use urxvt (rxvt-unicode) |
| 17:33.31 | fossala | You can set the colors through .xresourses or .xdefaults |
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| 17:35.23 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 17:35.39 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: but when returned to previous - it worked ;) ......... but Ign(nore) is given ! |
| 17:35.42 | mah454 | I need Document for installing Asterisk (VOIP) on Debian . |
| 17:36.42 | i-was-fedora | thewanderer1: do you know where the (update cache) files are stored ?? not the packages |
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| 17:37.44 | nvz | i-was-fedora: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
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| 17:40.04 | i-was-fedora | nvz: and how do i know that my local repo is active (apt-get update is enough ??) |
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| 18:00.18 | nvz | i-was-fedora: yes, if its in /etc/apt/sources.list and didnt give errors in the update then its active |
| 18:01.23 | nvz | notes its rather slow in here today |
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| 18:02.23 | i-was-fedora | nvz: ok bro, i'll detach from internet & check if that worked .... |
| 18:03.00 | nvz | shrugs |
| 18:03.07 | i-was-fedora | : O_o |
| 18:03.41 | nvz | I got far bigger problems.. just happened to look in during differential diagnosis |
| 18:03.58 | nvz | thinks how great it would be to have a microscope right now |
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| 18:05.46 | i-was-fedora | : DD & microscope ..... O_o may be he's a pathologist ! |
| 18:06.04 | i-was-fedora | : quit to check repo :) |
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| 18:06.44 | nvz | na, I've just had chronic illness doctors wont solve.. been symptom free for 4 days now for the first time in 3 years.. so.. before the shit all pops up again, I'm trying to figure out what I did that changed anything |
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| 18:07.27 | balzar | how can i see the version of the compiler that my current kernel is compiled with ?? |
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| 18:07.41 | somiaj | uname -a doens't tell you? |
| 18:07.45 | nvz | balzar: uh I believe thats the first line of /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:07.49 | somiaj | guess not |
| 18:07.50 | nvz | or what somiaj said |
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| 18:08.02 | balzar | nope |
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| 18:08.51 | nvz | well the 3rd line in mine anyhow |
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| 18:09.12 | nvz | either way the kernel outputs that when it boots |
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| 18:09.53 | balzar | dmesg has it ... |
| 18:09.59 | somiaj | cat /proc/version |
| 18:10.05 | somiaj | seems to be where it gets and/or puts that info |
| 18:10.47 | balzar | yes the same output as in dmesg |
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| 18:13.25 | balzar | strange that my kernel is build with gcc 4.3.5 which can not be found in my apt sources ?? |
| 18:14.09 | somiaj | balzar: what kernel and debian version? |
| 18:14.42 | balzar | squeeze amd64 |
| 18:14.59 | balzar | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:15.00 | balzar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.10 | egoga | How do I make a CIL file for an executable? Do I use mono |
| 18:15.45 | somiaj | balzar: maybe the maching building the kernels is just using 4.3.5 so they can also build lenny kernels as well. (though lenny's gcc is 4.3.2) |
| 18:16.11 | egoga | |
| 18:16.12 | egoga | |
| 18:16.15 | egoga | |
| 18:16.16 | egoga | :&! |
| 18:16.20 | egoga | d¢ |
| 18:16.34 | boudiccas | good! |
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| 18:17.44 | wols_ | ,versions gcc-4.3 |
| 18:17.44 | judd | Package gcc-4.3 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.5-4 |
| 18:18.20 | somiaj | ahh I was just looking at the meta package gcc's defaults, not the 4.3 branch. Makes better sense |
| 18:18.21 | wols_ | balzar: you run a squeeze kernel and gcc 4.3 is the "default" squeeze gcc. nothing there. if you change debian branches but not your kernel, it's all your own fault |
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| 18:19.33 | fridim_ | hi |
| 18:20.11 | balzar | wols_: what debian branches are you talking about ? |
| 18:20.45 | fridim_ | I'm running a preseeded squeeze installation, but it fails. How can I deactivate from inside the installation, the auto-answer for example for the partitionning part ? I have a shell (busybox) |
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| 18:20.53 | somiaj | balzar: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcc-4.3 -- the kernel is in squeeze, if you aren't seeing it you aren't using squeeze. |
| 18:20.58 | somiaj | balzar: gcc version. |
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| 18:22.50 | balzar | its all there |
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| 18:23.02 | balzar | gcc-4.3: Installed: 4.3.5-4 |
| 18:23.02 | balzar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.49 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.03 | wols_ | if it's not in your sources, you don't run squeeze |
| 18:26.16 | MrRoy | Would anyone help me fixing some errors I have with X? I installed the official ATI drivers, and then X. When I type 'startx', I get this : http://pastebin.com/vWyXmuJq |
| 18:27.34 | wols_ | MrRoy: you mean you got your drivers from amd.com as a .run package? |
| 18:27.44 | MrRoy | wols_: Yes |
| 18:28.09 | wols_ | MrRoy: we do not support those. only the debianized ones in non-free |
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| 18:28.30 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 18:28.31 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:28.35 | wols_ | see the irc channel there |
| 18:28.39 | MrRoy | wols_: I tried using the ones in non-free, but I always ended up with "aticonfig: no supported driver detected" |
| 18:28.50 | wols_ | MrRoy: note: these break your debian as well |
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| 18:28.54 | wols_ | what videocard do you have? |
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| 18:29.05 | MrRoy | wols_: A HD6800 |
| 18:29.12 | MrRoy | wols_: 6850* |
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| 18:30.04 | wols_ | then you'd need to backport the fglrx drivers from sid |
| 18:30.44 | MrRoy | wols_: I've been told to use backports, I got the same "aticonfig: no supported driver detected" error using them, so I gave up and used the .run one from their website |
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| 18:33.20 | egoga | How do I sqitch my regular kernel to the nVidia kernel? |
| 18:33.22 | egoga | How do I switch my regular kernel to the nVidia kernel? Rare |
| 18:33.26 | egoga | I SAID SCREEJY WEEN |
| 18:33.26 | wols_ | there is no backported fglrx. but normal Xorg from backports should support your card just fine. but sinec there is no fglrx from backports, aticonfig from it cannot work at all |
| 18:33.29 | egoga | maybe I should just go: |
| 18:33.33 | egoga | The plant then took the guano molecule into it's root... going up it's stalk or shoot it deftly |
| 18:33.33 | egoga | turned into a pollen grain, swept up by a bee taking it to it's nest |
| 18:33.36 | egoga | The nest gave birth to a larvae, which turned into a pupae, and finally into an adult bee |
| 18:33.38 | wols_ | egoga: there is no nvidia kernel |
| 18:33.39 | egoga | The molecule went into the bee's stinger during growth. Then some kid got stung... |
| 18:33.41 | wols_ | egoga: please stop it |
| 18:33.43 | egoga | it really hurts when it comes from bird shit |
| 18:33.45 | egoga | You fug ug fagheads. |
| 18:33.48 | egoga | Wear your baseball hat backwards with an ass on the back and we'll call you asshat |
| 18:33.51 | egoga | Some of the time I ordinarily don't know. It all begins with the letter A. Fork, spoon, knife, it's all at the table. |
| 18:33.55 | egoga | The mailman comes to each of us in time. |
| 18:33.57 | wols_ | !ops please show egoga the door until he calms down |
| 18:33.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols_ complains about: please show egoga the door until he calms down |
| 18:34.01 | egoga | you fug dug fargnargs |
| 18:34.01 | egoga | HEP TEP ROG'S MY KICK ASS PHRASE, Boy my bestest friend |
| 18:34.02 | egoga | I'm Hep Tep Rogging to the Rep Tep Hogger! |
| 18:34.05 | egoga | Roogy to the hep tep rog. HEP TEP ROG! |
| 18:34.13 | egoga | Cause hep tep rog's my KICK ASS PHRASE! |
| 18:34.13 | egoga | I'm thinking about herf herding my NERF NORDS! |
| 18:34.13 | egoga | I'm hep tep hegging to the hep tep noob nork! Why don't you all scroob nork! |
| 18:34.15 | egoga | I've been hep tep rogging since 2006... Say HEP TEP ROG if you want me to go away! |
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| 18:35.27 | wols_ | !tell MrRoy abour ssb |
| 18:35.48 | wols_ | !tell MrRoy about ssb |
| 18:36.48 | MrRoy | wols_: If it does not support aticonfig, does that mean I have to make xorg.conf manually? |
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| 18:37.47 | pushpop_ | where do I find the history file for a user |
| 18:37.57 | pushpop_ | so I can see the commands they have been entering |
| 18:38.10 | boudiccas | pushpop_; in bash |
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| 18:39.36 | pushpop_ | thx |
| 18:39.52 | boudiccas | pushpop_; yw |
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| 18:41.21 | adv_ | i aptitude installed the bigmem kernel but after a reboot, uname -a shows i'm using the default one. how can i have the bigmem kernel used instead? |
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| 18:43.25 | egoga | Ok |
| 18:43.29 | egoga | How do I make a CIL file with mono |
| 18:43.30 | kittonian | morning all |
| 18:43.51 | kittonian | so i'm still trying to get this whole traffic shaping thing working properly and so far it's not doing what I need |
| 18:44.06 | kittonian | anyone around who knows tc and iptables really well that could give me a hand? |
| 18:44.07 | adv_ | grub no longer uses menu.lst? |
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| 18:44.18 | egoga | Cannot open assembly 'file.exe': File does not contain a valid CIL image. |
| 18:44.30 | egoga | -rwxr-xr-x 1 negger negger 200704 Sep 17 14:44 file.exe |
| 18:44.53 | boudiccas | egoga; what are you trying to install? |
| 18:45.34 | egoga | I'm trying to run an executable, that requires .NET 3.0 or higher, I think it's a .NET 3.5 executable |
| 18:45.38 | Bushmills | !ops boudiccas feeds trolls |
| 18:45.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bushmills complains about: boudiccas feeds trolls |
| 18:45.51 | egoga | I found out that there's a program called MONO that runs .NET 3.5 executables, but it says: |
| 18:45.54 | egoga | Cannot open assembly 'file.exe': File does not contain a valid CIL image. |
| 18:46.03 | egoga | I downloaded all the CIL libraries |
| 18:46.19 | boudiccas | Bushmills; i was trying to be polite |
| 18:46.32 | adv_ | how do i tell grub to find all kernels and add them? autodiscovery |
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| 18:47.43 | egoga | Testing binary compatibility between Windows and mono... when running on debian I get: |
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| 18:47.46 | egoga | Cannot open assembly 'file.exe': File does not contain a valid CIL image. |
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| 18:47.56 | egoga | SO HOW DO I MAKE A CIL IMAGE? |
| 18:48.02 | nvz | egoga: mono is NOT binary compatible with windows |
| 18:48.11 | nvz | you need to compile against mono |
| 18:48.22 | egoga | How do I do that? |
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| 18:48.30 | egoga | by running visualbasic8 in linux somehow? |
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| 18:49.47 | wols_ | nvz: of course it is compatible, same CIL. just the standard libraries aren't |
| 18:50.00 | egoga | by running visualbasic8 in linux somehow? |
| 18:50.06 | nvz | mono compiles.. |
| 18:50.07 | wols_ | which makes what he tries pretty pointless, but who cares. |
| 18:50.12 | wols_ | egoga: wine |
| 18:50.19 | egoga | Ok, so wine then |
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| 18:50.31 | wols_ | egoga: including winetricks most probably |
| 18:50.33 | egoga | What is CIL exactly then? A way of compiling C# programs for use with Linux? |
| 18:50.43 | nvz | yeah.. I'm referring to the fact that mono doesnt implement even all of .NET much less none of the actual win32api |
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| 18:50.48 | wols_ | no. CIL = common intermediate language |
| 18:51.00 | egoga | I see |
| 18:51.12 | egoga | Are mono exes backwards compatible with windows XP, Vista, 7, etc |
| 18:51.13 | xf_merc | egoga: CIL is what you get when you "compile" .NET code. |
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| 18:51.20 | egoga | I see. |
| 18:51.35 | wols_ | egoga: may I show you this awesome website which can be located under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Intermediate_Language ? |
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| 18:51.41 | rhenani | hello I have a question, How do i copy a file from my computer to another computer I have here next to me, it has debian squeze 6.0.2 and rsync installed same as this one. |
| 18:51.44 | egoga | Would compiling .NET code on linux to make a cil, then taking a windows compiled EXE work? |
| 18:51.52 | egoga | like typing mono file.exe |
| 18:52.11 | wols_ | egoga: you talk gibberish again. like before |
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| 18:52.21 | egoga | no, This is gibberish: |
| 18:52.24 | nvz | egoga: just because something is .NET doesnt mean its ONLY .NET |
| 18:52.26 | egoga | dZmRWG! ;`p#^z\ FlIo AB< YzXBw|I" 9%or'% NNgiVjA; jA(~!ik |
| 18:52.33 | egoga | KTk"~t,N ;nu`IHG< G?M0<|Fk OugqjV% pBBHS%,M ks].Z+O iqN/t!Qn |
| 18:52.34 | wols_ | egoga: stop that. |
| 18:52.36 | egoga | C{d& hph kQAy&W/t eL=$f.Y %FZ2}w #iBo!]P] k`a<xyR= &T+E^{b |
| 18:52.40 | J_Rey | how does one get a package officially backported |
| 18:52.41 | wols_ | !ops please remove egoga |
| 18:52.41 | egoga | #&Zb(g`@ vtTU># `"* Tny anNvi|Zc Q=$-~GNG .Yj3)gU [M'xrkGM |
| 18:52.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols_ complains about: please remove egoga |
| 18:52.46 | egoga | =}IPI<(L vA^F/'~/ 8ribj[b p/;}i=HO Lkx=]&F zA~|I:`s ar*_if |
| 18:52.51 | egoga | )t!+Tx;% (lBZbt59 $|]orZ-# OPM-aX( :S#S}' h*X4|)xk *ty(p]n% |
| 18:52.56 | egoga | Terminated |
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| 18:53.00 | egoga | so mono would ONLY be .NET |
| 18:53.20 | kittonian | anyone know of a good bandwidth test application that would allow me to show a realtime output of outgoing LAN traffic over a certain port with the ability to specific tcp or udp? I want to run two continuous streams so that when I make a change to my traffic shaping I can see if one slows down or not |
| 18:53.22 | wols_ | nvz: may I please suggest you stop helping him so he isn't rewarded for his abusive behaviour? |
| 18:53.38 | davis | in 6.x do we use wpa_supplicant for wpa-psk wifi connections? |
| 18:53.47 | boudiccas | kittonian; vnstat |
| 18:54.02 | wols_ | davis: yes. wpasupplicant |
| 18:54.05 | Bushmills | simply proceeds with /ignoring replies too |
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| 18:54.13 | solar_sea | Hi, I'm trying to run a tplink card with ath9k driver in Master/AP mode. However iwconfig wlan0 mode "Anything" returns a weird error. The card is working otherwise in Ad-Hoc mode for example. Can anyone point me to any hints how to get it working ? Thanks |
| 18:54.13 | nvz | davis: you might, we dont.. heh |
| 18:54.14 | wols_ | kittonian: iptraf |
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| 18:54.56 | davis | is there a good document to read on wpa_supplicant? I am having a hell of a time getting it to work. is http://wiki.debian.org/WPA up to date? it only mentions 5.0 at most. |
| 18:55.09 | wols_ | davis: yes it is |
| 18:55.15 | wols_ | davis: what wlan chip and what driver? |
| 18:55.16 | nvz | solar_sea: I've had issues with mode setting before.. sometimes it only works if its the first command.. i.e. remove and reload the driver then try it |
| 18:55.21 | davis | many thanks |
| 18:55.22 | kittonian | boudiccas: vnstat just monitors the traffic from what i just read. i need to be able to initiate the traffic from the app |
| 18:55.31 | nvz | solar_sea: I'm sure thats a bug in the driver but it has worked for me in the past with the ath5k |
| 18:55.38 | solar_sea | nvz: thanks, I'll try that! |
| 18:55.56 | kittonian | wols_: seems iptraf is the same |
| 18:55.58 | wols_ | davis: see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK 3. for an example interfaces file. or use wicd or network-manager |
| 18:56.22 | wols_ | kittonian: and you need to do that why? |
| 18:56.25 | nvz | solar_sea: I think the real issue is that it cannot change mode even when working properly when its associated.. but I've seen it refuse to even when not |
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| 18:57.04 | egoga | What'z better for new releasez squeeze or wheezy |
| 18:57.07 | wols_ | solar_sea: for ath9k I suggest you should check out a backports kernel too. squeeze kernel is not always up to the task |
| 18:57.18 | kittonian | what i want to do is run a command that initiates outgoing bandwidth (for example - stream1=eth0|port=6300|udp, stream2=eth0|port=22|tcp) |
| 18:57.19 | egoga | What'z better for new releasez like wine updates squeeze or wheezy |
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| 18:57.35 | kittonian | and then watch the output for those streams in realtime |
| 18:57.50 | J_Rey | Is anyone else having issues compiling BZFlag 2.4? Is there any way to get it backported? |
| 18:58.01 | wols_ | !tell J_Rey about errors |
| 18:58.13 | wols_ | J_Rey: "anyone" questions are a waste of time. yours and ours |
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| 18:58.33 | nvz | egoga: you really need to try not be so childish and repetitive or you will not get help here.. you also need to be on topic. Windows programs may not run on linux, they're certainly not suppose to.. any means of doing so is a hack and without knowing what you're trying to run we can't really help much anyhow |
| 18:58.35 | kittonian | wols_: as i said, i need it to monitor what i'm doing while configuring my traffic shaping. right now, to test the voip while doing an upload on a client, i have to place a phone call and start an upload. |
| 18:59.05 | mat619 | Hi there! My Squeeze installed an i686 besides the i486 kernel my CPU really needs, and Grub2 defaults to booting the i686 kernel. How do I correct this? |
| 18:59.11 | egoga | is there an online guide to tweaking the latest version of wine to get it compatible with most newer libraries like .NET 3.5, nsvcp90, etc |
| 18:59.13 | wols_ | kittonian: that is no reasoning why the monitoring app needs ot cause the traffic |
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| 18:59.25 | egoga | liek how to install all useful winetricks configurations, other libraries, etc |
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| 18:59.28 | wols_ | nvz: ignore. simply ignore. you are still rewarding him |
| 18:59.28 | nvz | egoga: that would be entierly off topic for this channel |
| 18:59.32 | egoga | opk |
| 18:59.51 | wols_ | mat619: what cpu? |
| 18:59.52 | nvz | egoga: try a wine developer channel, google for it |
| 19:00.00 | J_Rey | well I got an answer with my waste of time question since my first one was ignored |
| 19:00.15 | mat619 | wols_: VIA C3. You might remember me from my installation attempts - finally got it done. |
| 19:00.22 | wols_ | J_Rey: have fun. with your non answer and your problems. I will ignore your problem now. good day |
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| 19:00.44 | mat619 | wols_: Squeeze decided to install the i686 kernel anyway though, glad it did install the 486 too. Would've quite some trouble if not. |
| 19:00.44 | J_Rey | lolz ok thanks, I'll bug the package maintainers then |
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| 19:00.50 | wols_ | mat619: install the 486 kernel. if needed, uninstall the 686 one. dpkg -l |grep linux-image shows you what is installed |
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| 19:01.44 | mat619 | wols_: the 486 is already installed, but getting rid of the 686 altogether sounds like a good idea. my little VIA can't use it anyway. |
| 19:01.45 | rhenani | I got this problem and I honestly don't know that to do |
| 19:01.59 | mat619 | wols_: thanks for the tip, will try that. |
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| 19:02.07 | rhenani | when i try to transfer a file from this computer to my other computer debian squeeze 6.0.2 |
| 19:02.23 | wols_ | mat619: install linux-image-486 |
| 19:02.24 | rhenani | using this comand: rsync -avP /home/rhenani/debian-squeze.sh/ rhenani@172.16.109.165:/home/rhenani |
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| 19:03.20 | rhenani | I got this error: http://paste.debian.net/130620/ |
| 19:03.41 | mat619 | wols_: the 486 IS already installed! that's fine. I just need to remove the 686 now. how do I do this, and is the entry removed from the bootloader menu afterwards? |
| 19:03.51 | wols_ | rhenani: does the reciver have an ssh-server running? |
| 19:04.29 | wols_ | mat619: if you uninstall the package (apt-get purge or dpkg purge), then the boot menu is remade and the removed kernel gone there |
| 19:04.38 | mat619 | wols_: ah perfect. thank you! |
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| 19:05.23 | wols_ | mat619: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |grep 686 remove all of those |
| 19:05.40 | J_Rey | meh.. maybe later then |
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| 19:13.31 | zitter | hi, does anyone has installed Debian on Freecom Media Player? |
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| 19:15.28 | egoga | Whjat's a good way to set up the nvidia xserver, nvidia-xconfig? |
| 19:15.40 | egoga | DO I HAVE TO RECOMPILE THE KERNEL TO USE IT WITH OPENGL |
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| 19:16.17 | egoga | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 19:16.25 | egoga | /bin/sh: /root/line: not found |
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| 19:16.32 | egoga | The plant then took the guano molecule into it's root... going up it's stalk or shoot it deftly |
| 19:16.35 | egoga | The molecule went into the bee's stinger during growth. Then some kid got stung... |
| 19:16.38 | egoga | turned into a pollen grain, swept up by a bee taking it to it's nest |
| 19:16.41 | egoga | The nest gave birth to a larvae, which turned into a pupae, and finally into an adult bee |
| 19:16.44 | egoga | it really hurts when it comes from bird shit |
| 19:16.47 | egoga | You fug ug fagheads. |
| 19:16.49 | egoga | Wear your baseball hat backwards with an ass on the back and we'll call you asshat |
| 19:16.53 | egoga | Some of the time I ordinarily don't know. It all begins with the letter A. Fork, spoon, knife, it's all at the table. |
| 19:16.56 | egoga | The mailman comes to each of us in time. |
| 19:16.59 | egoga | you fug dug fargnargs |
| 19:17.01 | egoga | HEP TEP ROG'S MY KICK ASS PHRASE, Boy my bestest friend |
| 19:17.04 | egoga | I'm Hep Tep Rogging to the Rep Tep Hogger! |
| 19:17.06 | egoga | Roogy to the hep tep rog. HEP TEP ROG! |
| 19:17.09 | egoga | Cause hep tep rog's my KICK ASS PHRASE! |
| 19:17.11 | egoga | I'm thinking about herf herding my NERF NORDS! |
| 19:17.14 | egoga | I'm hep tep hegging to the hep tep noob nork! Why don't you all scroob nork! |
| 19:17.15 | zitter | ... |
| 19:17.16 | egoga | I've been hep tep rogging since 2006... Say HEP TEP ROG if you want me to go away! |
| 19:17.19 | egoga | Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... Has Hes... Hogan's Heroes... |
| 19:17.23 | egoga | Where's Waldo... Where's Osama Bin Laden... there is no difference. |
| 19:17.25 | egoga | Nothing but a bunch of druggie channels go do drugs tomorrow it's not swiped. |
| 19:17.28 | egoga | The grass is green and I"m not WHITE |
| 19:17.30 | egoga | Talking about a bee turning into a nest. |
| 19:17.33 | egoga | I'm thinking about boody hunk daislies... Hoodin for rhyme rhuck pruck traisy |
| 19:17.35 | egoga | Fuck daddy dick ass I don't mind, chicka licka lutch to the chickil heckin' cream, I give off steam! |
| 19:17.38 | egoga | I'm thinking about rubbity jibbits... I'm thinking about rubbity diddle dabby dabby dazzlie! |
| 19:17.42 | egoga | Wag wag... woadwooze rhymes with road rules. |
| 19:17.44 | egoga | Rubbity diggy... I'm thinking about my ribbity dib dab raggity ann! |
| 19:17.47 | egoga | Congo Bongo... anadinary fun... Bingo Cingo, Bingo Cingo, with an other cookie cutter, now what do you see, with a really cookie cutters, swingin' adda me! Bongo Congo will have you flying of your tree! |
| 19:17.51 | egoga | Rub dub chicka licka luck round! Rub dub chicka licka laidy daidy! Rub dub chicka licka luck round! Rub dub chicka licka laidy daidy! |
| 19:17.54 | egoga | I'm thinking about rubbity dig dagging my plackity yan! |
| 19:17.58 | egoga | I'm thinking about rug tugs, I'm thinking about poopy poopy shcrap! Rug tug dickle, holg tug the meel waal! |
| 19:18.02 | egoga | Of the expectant quadrilatical theorem, comes a tenth degree arc regrunion. |
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| 19:18.07 | egoga | Farting inside the thimble spool, the next time mom mom comes to sew she'll drool |
| 19:18.07 | egoga | I'm not thinkin about kardacian bilm horned mooses anymore, I'm thinkin about Plix Plixiplik... |
| 19:18.10 | egoga | wanted in over seven solar systems for being a thief, he's the quadrant's most wanted man. |
| 19:18.13 | egoga | Seometimes a schwinn rider comes to play... other days it comes time to drive miss dais'... |
| 19:18.17 | egoga | kill me I kill you fuckin games that chew up your roots |
| 19:18.19 | egoga | I'm here to snork my jecka lecka lains. I'm modas me, I 'll hit you with a cay-une! |
| 19:18.20 | blubberdiblub | !ops egoga is flooding the channel with nonsense |
| 19:18.20 | MrFrood | !ops egoga |
| 19:18.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: blubberdiblub complains about: egoga is flooding the channel with nonsense |
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| 19:18.23 | egoga | Ring dong ring dog ring dong, ring dog ring dong rink donk. |
| 19:18.26 | egoga | Ar ewe asterism or aspacurism... boy I'm giving you brain anurisms. |
| 19:18.29 | egoga | Fuck daddy dickass, he's not online, so many idlers it's wasting my time. |
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| 19:19.52 | MrFrood | thank you mrmist |
| 19:20.02 | mrmist | he was a bit cockish |
| 19:20.15 | boudiccas | mrmist; can the ban be made permanent please? |
| 19:20.23 | wols_ | he's done this for several hours now |
| 19:20.29 | mrmist | boudiccas: unless someone removes it it'll stay there |
| 19:20.35 | MrFrood | he is a repeat offender |
| 19:20.49 | thewanderer1 | chattr +i the ban :P |
| 19:20.52 | mrmist | boudiccas: it's potentially a dynamic range he's on, though |
| 19:20.55 | Bushmills | and there are repeat feeders too |
| 19:21.08 | Dulak | he's not on a static ip, a perma ban would be pointless |
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| 19:21.43 | thewanderer1 | does dynamic mean it changes every day? I'm on theoretically a "dynamic" one, but it changes once a year or so |
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| 19:21.59 | thewanderer1 | (actually, if I don't touch my card's MAC, it stays the same forever I think) |
| 19:22.12 | mrmist | that really depends on ISP and such |
| 19:22.16 | Dulak | it can change once a day, once a year, whatever. But the fact is it will change. |
| 19:22.24 | MrFrood | thewanderer1: ddepends on the isp an type of connection |
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| 19:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | It's verizon, so I would expect it changes a lot. |
| 19:22.46 | Dulak | On my cable modem I can get a new ip in under 5 minutes, anytime I want. |
| 19:23.04 | somiaj | thewanderer1: depends on the dhcp lease provider. Many if you actually release the lease just give you a new one when you ask for it -- some of them tie the leases to your mac and save it for you for a few hours to a week (or more) before the release it to be grabed by another request. |
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| 19:23.16 | jhutchins_lt | Does Verizon do wired connections in some regions? |
| 19:23.28 | Dulak | Verizon has FIOS |
| 19:23.35 | Dulak | fiber to the house |
| 19:23.38 | Dulak | mmmm |
| 19:23.39 | somiaj | lots of people just use routers who never actually release the lease and just keep renewing it keeping the same ip for long periods of time. |
| 19:23.47 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, yes, I think my folks have that in L.A. |
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| 19:24.23 | Cim | hi |
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| 19:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | There are ISPs that force the IP to change periodically. Most US providers don't do that any more, but Telmex still does it. I think it's to enforce server bans. |
| 19:25.01 | zitter | ciak, the second. Does anyone has installed Debian on Freecom Media Player? |
| 19:25.30 | Dulak | yes, but most are just cached, there are various ways to get that cache reset, sometimes in as little as 5 minutes. |
| 19:25.34 | wols_ | zitter: ask your real question. don't waste your time and ours |
| 19:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | zitter: You'll probably have to hunt the forums for that, it's pretty specialised. |
| 19:25.53 | Dulak | so perma banning a dynamic IP is a bit pointless to block someone that is determined enough. |
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| 19:27.27 | davis | how do i add my name to netdev group? |
| 19:27.29 | Monter | Witam wszystkich. |
| 19:27.47 | boudiccas | Monter; !pl |
| 19:27.52 | boudiccas | !pl |
| 19:27.57 | boudiccas | !pol |
| 19:28.02 | boudiccas | sod it! |
| 19:28.12 | wols_ | dpkg: ping |
| 19:28.26 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: The real problem is that it unjustly bans the next person who gets handed that IP, and if you ban a range anybody in that pool gets banned. |
| 19:28.27 | Monter | ups |
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| 19:28.45 | Dulak | jhutchins_lt: yup |
| 19:28.48 | rhenani | wols_: are you there? |
| 19:29.00 | wols_ | rhenani: yes |
| 19:29.03 | Dulak | davis: adduser username groupname |
| 19:29.09 | Dulak | davis: as root |
| 19:29.27 | Cim | I have two network interfaces wlan0 and ppp0 (this one is from usb HSPA modem), on wlan0 I connect to my WLAN network with Internet and on ppp0 I have connection to mobile Internet. Is there any way to use wlan 0 only for ssh and samba and ppp0 to any other connections? |
| 19:29.41 | rhenani | wols_: look what i got now: |
| 19:29.43 | davis | Dulak: thanks. fwiw, i dont have a /etc/groups file |
| 19:29.51 | rhenani | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/130622/ |
| 19:29.52 | zitter | jhutchins_lt, "install debian on freecom media player ii" doesn't return result, so doens't it work, right? |
| 19:30.27 | rhenani | wols_: why is that? |
| 19:30.29 | davis | hmm it says i am in there already. wonder why i dont see the icon in my upper right of gnome |
| 19:30.43 | dpkg | methinks pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 19:30.49 | thewanderer1 | Cim: policy routing |
| 19:30.52 | jhutchins_lt | zitter: Um, no. Just that no one has used that particular phrase describing it working. |
| 19:30.55 | wols_ | rhenani: cause the certificate for the ssh server with this IP has changed. read the message very carefully: it tells you how to fix it |
| 19:31.10 | Dulak | Cim: there is but it's ugly and not easy. You basically set up your own routing daemon, and TOS to mark the packets, then the routing daemon can route them however you like. It is damn messy. |
| 19:31.33 | thewanderer1 | Dulak: I thought iptables could do it... |
| 19:32.09 | jhutchins_lt | zitter: Start for searching for linux and "freecom media player" - use loose terms then narrow your search. |
| 19:32.13 | Dulak | thewanderer1: it maybe can by now, but I thought it was only source and destination, not service type. I might be wrong. |
| 19:32.41 | thewanderer1 | Dulak: anything should be possible with MARK I think |
| 19:32.44 | Dulak | thewanderer1: I had to set up something similar for a dual homed DSL/Cable setup a couple years ago and it was a pain in the neck. |
| 19:33.28 | Dulak | my counterstrike ping was worth the trouble though. omg the headshots... |
| 19:34.01 | davis | i have network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed according to synaptic but it does not show up in gui. why? |
| 19:34.26 | Cim | so there no applications that i could force using iface for ssh or other aplications? |
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| 19:34.54 | Aziroshin | Hello. |
| 19:34.56 | Dulak | Cim: thewanderer1 says you can use MARK with iptables to do that |
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| 19:35.43 | Aziroshin | I have a debian box which is serving as a router. I doubt my problem will be even solvable on a whim, but probably someone has an idea. |
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| 19:35.54 | Cim | thewanderer1: can you tell me more on priv? because i was trying use MARK and CONNMARK but it dosen't work for me |
| 19:36.07 | Aziroshin | The machine constantly loses internet connectivity - however, it is still able to ping itself and the local network continues to function. |
| 19:36.16 | Cim | I prabobly doing smth wrong |
| 19:36.18 | thewanderer1 | Cim: I'm not experienced in that topic, sorry, try #Netfilter |
| 19:36.27 | Cim | ok |
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| 19:36.50 | Dulak | Aziroshin: when you lose wan, how do you get it back? |
| 19:37.04 | Aziroshin | dhclient eth0 |
| 19:37.05 | Aziroshin | And it comes back |
| 19:37.08 | Aziroshin | The IP isn't lost, though. |
| 19:37.16 | Aziroshin | So, it wouldn't really be needed. |
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| 19:38.07 | Aziroshin | I am not using network manager. |
| 19:38.25 | Dulak | Aziroshin: it depends on the dhcpd setup though. If the lease expires and you don't renew, it could be blocking you until renew. Also it could be an arp problem, do you control the dhcpd? |
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| 19:38.52 | Aziroshin | I control the dhcpd for the local network, which is on the same computer. |
| 19:39.18 | Dulak | Aziroshin: and that is not set for master right? |
| 19:39.43 | zitter | nothing to do. no debian on that shit. |
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| 19:42.09 | r3m | i make an error, i put grub on my usbkey.... anybody can tell me how to set it on the hd |
| 19:42.38 | Dulak | Aziroshin: your problem is most likely arp related. Linux has a nasty habit of arping on all interfaces, instead of a single interface. It's not pretty, but to fix it would require redoing virtually the entire tcp/ip stack. |
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| 19:43.27 | Dulak | Aziroshin: the quick fix is to force lease renew on the problem interface periodically. Say a cron job running every 6 hours or so that renews the lease. |
| 19:43.33 | Dulak | doh |
| 19:43.41 | wols_ | !tell r3m about fixgrub |
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| 19:44.19 | wols_ | r3m: if you can still boot your debian, you can also simply use grub-install inside debian |
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| 19:45.19 | Aziroshin | In case you said something, the connection died on me. |
| 19:45.27 | Aziroshin | I have not been able to read it. |
| 19:45.31 | Dulak | Aziroshin: the quick fix is to force lease renew on the problem interface periodically. Say a cron job running every 6 hours or so that renews the lease. |
| 19:46.11 | Aziroshin | I have been thinking about polling. |
| 19:46.48 | Aziroshin | I am very affraid of connection losses to the internet during game sessions. |
| 19:47.45 | Dulak | Aziroshin: it's likely an arp issue, which has no real fix. polling a pingable ip to force a lease renew would be ok, but it's harder to code than just a 'renew lease every 8 hours' script would be. |
| 19:48.33 | Dulak | Aziroshin: in a game using udp a lease renew wouldn't even disconnect you unless the ip changed. |
| 19:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: I believe it's possible to force a lease expiration time in the client config, even though it's usually done on the server. |
| 19:49.08 | Aziroshin | That's what I am affraid of - I have cable, my IP rarely changes, and I probably wouldn't get that IP until my next dhclient request. |
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| 19:49.55 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: When you renew, the client requests the same address first. |
| 19:50.20 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: Depending on whether the server honors that request determines whether you get it. |
| 19:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: You can be off-line for months, and as long as no-one else has that address when you request it (and the server isn't set to force a change) you will get the same address. |
| 19:51.15 | Dulak | Aziroshin: the problem isn't really the lease, it's that your arp table gets corrupted when linux arps the wrong ip onto an interface. You want to try flushing your arp table the next time this happens and see if it fixes the problem. |
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| 19:51.31 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: It only changes if someone else has the address, or if the server forces it. |
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| 19:52.40 | Dulak | Aziroshin: if flushing the arp table fixes it, you just script that to happen every X hours where X is the average time the connection lasts. |
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| 19:54.18 | Er0x__ | hi, what the hell can't install php... http://i.imgur.com/05XJC.png |
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| 19:55.06 | Aziroshin | Died. =\ |
| 19:55.40 | Aziroshin | It' spamming neighbour table overflow warnings now. |
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| 19:55.57 | Aziroshin | I have googled on that some time ago, but somehow the search results have not been very explaining. |
| 19:56.00 | somiaj | Er0x__: seems like issue with your sources.list file. Do you have only squeeze enteries in there (aren't trying to mix debian versions) and the security.debian.org sources? run apt-get update recentally? |
| 19:56.18 | Er0x__ | somiaj: its clean install (latest stable) |
| 19:56.22 | Dulak | Aziroshin: someone on your cable subnet is being very, very bad. |
| 19:56.22 | Er0x__ | nothing modded |
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| 19:56.37 | Aziroshin | Are you sure? |
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| 19:56.50 | Aziroshin | can't it be my local dhcp server or something that's causing some loopback or whatever situation? |
| 19:57.02 | somiaj | Er0x__: then make sure you have the security sources, 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 19:57.42 | Aziroshin | All the solutions I find are about increasing the arp cache. |
| 19:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: Could be the router. Anything else on your local net? |
| 19:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: tcpdump could be informative but be sure to limit it. |
| 19:58.16 | Aziroshin | The computer affected is the router - connected to it is a cablemodem and a switch, which forms the local ethernet. It is a wireless access point as well. |
| 19:58.37 | Aziroshin | I have never really worked with tcpdump. Let's see... |
| 19:58.55 | Dulak | Aziroshin: I'm not sure actually, you need to look at a lot of different things. when you span networks. It's why I get paid so well to do what I do. |
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| 19:59.13 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: The concern being that something on the local net may be storming it. Printservers are frequently guilty. Also bad Windows boxes and failing switches/routers. |
| 19:59.31 | rhenani | wols_: now I gut this: |
| 19:59.35 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: The other common storm cause is a cable plugged back into the switch. |
| 19:59.36 | rhenani | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/130628/ |
| 19:59.38 | Dulak | Aziroshin: how long has it been happening? |
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| 19:59.56 | r3m | can i use the flash plugin from adobe? |
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| 20:00.37 | jhutchins_lt | !flash |
| 20:00.38 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 20:00.46 | Aziroshin2 | I got the messages. |
| 20:00.52 | Aziroshin2 | detected network failure early enough this time. |
| 20:01.17 | Aziroshin2 | (jhut's message about the failing switches/routers being the last one) |
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| 20:01.34 | Aziroshin2 | How likely is it that the dhcp3-server running on the same box is causing the issue? |
| 20:01.41 | Aziroshin2 | (for the local network) |
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| 20:04.20 | Dulak | r3m: add the contrib repo to your sources.list, and apt-get update, then the package for the adobe flash is called flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:04.39 | Er0x__ | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/peLVZXzJ |
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| 20:05.11 | LordDeath | newbie question: do I have to shutdown mysql first before I reboot debian? |
| 20:05.33 | wols_ | no |
| 20:05.36 | antiwire | Debian should do that for you, automagically |
| 20:05.38 | Dulak | LordDeath: nope everything gets shutdown proper when you issue a reboot command |
| 20:05.52 | LordDeath | thx :) |
| 20:05.59 | Dulak | LordDeath: you don't want to use the power switch for that though |
| 20:06.12 | rhenani | wols_: why is that now? |
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| 20:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: Some systems intercept it. |
| 20:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: So it does a proper shutdown. |
| 20:06.32 | LordDeath | Dulak: I have no power switch on my hosted vserver ;-) |
| 20:06.34 | wols_ | rhenani: you need to learn to read the error messages. it clearly says what the problem is |
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| 20:08.10 | rhenani | wols_: bash: rsync: command not found |
| 20:08.11 | rhenani | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender] |
| 20:08.13 | rhenani | rsync error: remote command not found (code 127) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7] |
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| 20:09.00 | __nyuszika7h__ | Hi, the installer seems to have freezed, what can I do/ |
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| 20:09.43 | __nyuszika7h__ | It stopped at 'Starting up the partitioner' |
| 20:09.52 | Aziroshin2 | I have now instated a most primitive renewal mechanism. dhclient eth0 is now executed every 2 minutes. |
| 20:09.52 | Aziroshin2 | This might have to do until a proper solution is found. |
| 20:09.54 | Aziroshin2 | going to try something. |
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| 20:15.06 | __nyuszika7h__ | Anyone? |
| 20:15.22 | r3m | Dulak: thanks a lot |
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| 20:15.39 | boudiccas | what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 20:15.42 | wols_ | __nyuszika7h__: ctrl+alt+f2 not working? |
| 20:15.53 | __nyuszika7h__ | wols_: it works, otherwise I wouldn't be here |
| 20:17.23 | r3m | What is the version of the kernel that come with the stable version please |
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| 20:18.48 | wols_ | r3m: 2.6.32-5 |
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| 20:19.05 | wols_ | r3m: backports 2.6.39 is also available |
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| 20:20.25 | __nyuszika7h__ | wols_: Any other ideas/ |
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| 20:20.45 | __nyuszika7h__ | I tried SSHing in remotely or even SSHing to localhost, it freezes at 54% |
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| 20:20.55 | __nyuszika7h__ | at partitioning part |
| 20:21.16 | __nyuszika7h__ | I have an LVM filesystem back from the previous incomplete installation |
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| 20:34.34 | sphenxes | I have backed up my hard drive 1 (zfs) to hard drive 2 (zfs) using rsyn. I have searched and found snap shot zfs send poolname snapshot@1| recieve command poolname and can do the same work. my question: if i use the zfs send | recieve command right now. Would this command send all my files once more from hard drive 1 to hard drive 2. Or it will know that both hard drives are the same and wait for incremental snap shot? |
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| 20:40.45 | StefandeVries | #flood |
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| 20:41.20 | __nyuszika7h__ | I reformatted my HDD but installer still freezes at partitioning/ |
| 20:41.23 | __nyuszika7h__ | Help! |
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| 20:41.59 | thewanderer1 | __nyuszika7h__: see what processes are running (ps), what they're doing... |
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| 20:43.14 | __nyuszika7h__ | If I kill partman, it says installation step failed and I can retrz |
| 20:43.19 | __nyuszika7h__ | But it always freezes there |
| 20:43.59 | jmarsden | __nyuszika7h__: How big is the HD and how long did you leave it "frozen" ? |
| 20:44.25 | __nyuszika7h__ | jmarsden: 500GB, and I waited for 5-10 minutes |
| 20:44.46 | __nyuszika7h__ | If that matters, it had an LVM filesystem on it before |
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| 20:44.57 | __nyuszika7h__ | And I'm going to create LVM again |
| 20:45.13 | __nyuszika7h__ | It 'freezes' at Starting up the partitioner part |
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| 20:48.43 | __nyuszika7h__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.01 | davis | how do i determine if I have a gl capable xserver installed? |
| 20:49.46 | kittonian | alright this is crazy. no matter what I try with this config I can't get traffic shaping to work correctly |
| 20:49.51 | kittonian | can anyone give me a hand? |
| 20:50.01 | kittonian | my script is pastebin'd at http://pastebin.com/fNQA816u |
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| 20:50.33 | LtL | davis: in a shell try /usr/bin/glxinfo |
| 20:50.46 | __nyuszika7h__ | So, does anyone have any ideas/ |
| 20:50.51 | __nyuszika7h__ | It seems to fail start partman |
| 20:51.22 | Er0x | still can't get php installed http://pastebin.com/XD7hGwkN |
| 20:51.27 | wols_ | davis: glxinfo |
| 20:51.27 | davis | LtL: it says direct rendering yes |
| 20:51.43 | davis | but tuxracer runs very slow |
| 20:52.04 | wols_ | direct rendering yes it not sufficient anymore |
| 20:52.36 | wols_ | ,versions libonig2 |
| 20:52.37 | judd | Package libonig2 on i386 -- lenny: 5.9.1-1; sid: 5.9.1-1; squeeze: 5.9.1-1; wheezy: 5.9.1-1 |
| 20:53.09 | wols_ | Er0x: pastebin your sources.list please |
| 20:53.39 | Er0x | wols_: http://pastebin.com/peLVZXzJ |
| 20:53.43 | davis | when i run pong2 it says 4 fps |
| 20:54.00 | wols_ | davis: what videocard? |
| 20:54.04 | davis | so do I need to install libonig2 or was that for someone else |
| 20:54.16 | davis | its a radeon on a t42p laptop |
| 20:54.21 | wols_ | !tell Er0x about cdn sources.list |
| 20:54.40 | __nyuszika7h__ | Nobody? |
| 20:54.48 | davis | i have not done anything besides default install other than apt-get install tux and pong2 |
| 20:55.06 | wols_ | !tell Er0x about squeeze sources.list |
| 20:55.40 | wols_ | Er0x: you lack the squeeze main repository. all you have in your sources.list are the debian security updates. which is why you get this error. fix your sources.list and it will work |
| 20:56.06 | wols_ | davis: that should be supported by default. it's some x1300 or such, right? |
| 20:56.11 | rypervenche | Where can I find a list of all of the things dpkg knows? |
| 20:56.18 | wols_ | davis: check your glxinfo output and your Xorg.0.log |
| 20:56.28 | wols_ | dpkg: your factoids |
| 20:56.28 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 20:56.44 | LtL | davis: this is a wild guess, is fglrx installed? I've never had good results on ATI cards with it. |
| 20:56.46 | rypervenche | wols_: Thanks. |
| 20:56.48 | davis | wols_: sorry pal i don't know what x1300 is |
| 20:57.01 | wols_ | davis: the radeon chip in your t42p |
| 20:57.04 | davis | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80) |
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| 20:57.22 | davis | wols_: oh, don't think so. not sure really. |
| 20:57.26 | wols_ | oh. radeon 9600. |
| 20:57.39 | wols_ | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42p says firegl or radeon 9600 |
| 20:57.40 | Er0x | wols_: thx, its working now :) |
| 20:58.03 | wols_ | davis: as I said: Xorg.0.log and/or glxinfo output |
| 20:58.22 | davis | ok let me look at Xorg log. one sec |
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| 21:00.32 | davis | wols_: hmm. lots of radeon messages in xorg log, including : |
| 21:00.34 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.29 | wols_ | now the question is why it did so. it usually says why |
| 21:01.50 | davis | got me |
| 21:01.57 | davis | ill look again |
| 21:02.29 | __nyuszika7h__ | Why doesn't anyone say anything? |
| 21:02.41 | __nyuszika7h__ | Is everyone ignoring me? |
| 21:02.49 | seb82 | because we are busy... thinking of a solution to help you/ |
| 21:02.51 | seb82 | *you? |
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| 21:05.35 | LtL | __nyuszika7h__: Do you have local access to this box? I would boot a gparted cd and wipe your drive, partition table .. the works. I't worked before for me. |
| 21:05.42 | wols_ | __nyuszika7h__: what is special about your disk setup? |
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| 21:06.11 | __nyuszika7h__ | LtL: yes, I'm sitting next to it and there are no partitions, I deleted all of them |
| 21:06.32 | __nyuszika7h__ | Also, why doesn't the keyboard layout affect other ttys? |
| 21:06.33 | davis | wols_: it looks like in kernel dmesg it is using a frame buffer for the radeon. Way back when, i remember that was a a problem if you wanted to do opengl. its been many years since I dorked with opengl. maybe things have changed or maybe that is the problem. not sure. |
| 21:07.08 | wols_ | davis: it's not the problem. kms is mandatory for the radeon driver |
| 21:07.20 | davis | wols_: kms? |
| 21:07.46 | davis | wols_: kernel mode s? |
| 21:07.55 | wols_ | !kms |
| 21:07.55 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 21:08.23 | davis | ahh. ok thanks for info. |
| 21:09.09 | wols_ | davis: I suggest you pastebin your log and the glxinfo output |
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| 21:10.44 | davis | im looking at this http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2010/08/msg00188.html |
| 21:11.07 | davis | it looks like he added some changes to xorg.conf |
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| 21:11.15 | davis | let me try that. brb |
| 21:11.26 | davis | so far i ahve not touched that file. |
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| 21:12.23 | nyuszika7h | notes he is still here |
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| 21:12.39 | simonlnu | you can run without kms, but then a lot of the accel functions don't work, as well as opengl |
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| 21:13.37 | davis | hmm. no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. man its been a long time since I used debian. |
| 21:13.48 | kittonian | is anyone around that knows tc and iptables really well? i need some serious help with traffic shaping. i already have a script but it's not doing what i need. pastebin at http://pastebin.com/fNQA816u |
| 21:13.50 | jancsika | Hello. I was playing around with the system theme in Wheezy through System->Preferences->Appearance, and now I forgot what the default theme was. How do I find out and get it back? |
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| 21:14.13 | wols_ | kittonian: #iptables. very unlikely you get help here |
| 21:14.30 | wols_ | kittonian: or you could check out cgroups instead of tc and htb :) |
| 21:14.31 | kittonian | wols_: no one is there to help |
| 21:14.47 | nyuszika7h | LtL: Any further ideas? |
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| 21:15.05 | kittonian | and fyi the channel is #netfilter. #iptables is a private channel |
| 21:15.52 | kittonian | i don't want to start over with something new. i just want to get these rules working and be done with it. |
| 21:16.17 | Mneumonic | are any of the other window managers much lighter than openbox? |
| 21:16.28 | Mneumonic | i recently switched from xfce to openbox and i like the difference |
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| 21:17.49 | Prolac | hello, does anyone knows how can I prevent my screen session from bliniking when I (for example) press backspace and there is not text to delete? |
| 21:18.40 | wols_ | Mneumonic: not really. there are many different ones which behave very differently, but generally they are all similar light as openbox |
| 21:19.13 | Mneumonic | Alright thats what it seemed like. I've looked at things like IceWM and JWM and i just can't see how they would be much lighter than openbox + tint2 |
| 21:19.26 | nyuszika7h | is sooo tired *yawn* |
| 21:19.27 | amphi | Prolac: ctrl-a ctrl-g perhaps |
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| 21:20.24 | amphi | Mneumonic: FWIW, xmonad is using ~8MB here ATM |
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| 21:21.23 | Prolac | amphi: it doesn't keep blinking, it only blinks once |
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| 21:21.58 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/130642/ -- why does dash return true for [ -n $dontexist ] ? |
| 21:22.00 | davis | wols_: that did nto help. thanks anyway. i'll try your link. bbiab |
| 21:22.01 | amphi | Prolac: yes; it's called 'visual bell' |
| 21:22.04 | RichiH | that does not make any sense |
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| 21:22.33 | Prolac | amphi: how do I turn it off? |
| 21:22.44 | Prolac | its turned off in putty already |
| 21:23.04 | Prolac | it just happens while I'm in a screen session |
| 21:23.12 | RichiH | man screen |
| 21:23.13 | RichiH | then press / |
| 21:23.21 | RichiH | then search for bell |
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| 21:24.32 | Prolac | thanks RichiH :) |
| 21:24.41 | RichiH | np |
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| 21:46.17 | jmarsden | RichiH: [ -n $foo ] is invalid syntax if $foo is empty, because the shell sees [ -n ] . The fix is to use [ -n "$foo" ] |
| 21:46.34 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 21:50.44 | LtL | nyuszika7h: sorry I was busy with someone, Like I said, boot off a .iso image of gparted or equivalent and relly clean the disk, mbr, get a fresh partition table etc., just get that hdd back to OEM condition. |
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| 21:50.58 | LtL | nyuszika7h: really |
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| 21:51.19 | nyuszika7h | LtL: ok |
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| 21:52.10 | LtL | nyuszika7h: or there is the possibity your install media is bad, run a checksum on it, and or could the hdd be bad? |
| 21:53.02 | nyuszika7h | No idea, but I'll probably not do anything with it today, I'm too tired |
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| 22:01.30 | RichiH | jmarsden: aye, found out already |
| 22:01.35 | RichiH | but thanks for getting back to me! |
| 22:01.45 | jmarsden | RichiH: You're welcome. |
| 22:01.51 | RichiH | lesson here is: quote. always. |
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| 22:12.08 | jancsika | what's the difference between installing the linux-image-3.0.0-1-rt-amd64 package and the linux-image-rt-amd64 package (which lists the former as a dependency)? |
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| 22:14.39 | wols_ | when you install the latter, your kernel gets automatically updated when an update is available |
| 22:14.43 | somiaj | jancsika: when things update the linux-image-rt-amd64 will autmoically pull in the next kernel it links to |
| 22:15.05 | somiaj | jancsika: the other is a fixed package that the only updates you may get are just bug fixes to that kernel (not an actuall higher kernel version) |
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| 22:15.46 | Aziroshin | Sigh. I opted for setting up dnsmasq. |
| 22:15.59 | jancsika | somiaj: I see. Thanks for the help! |
| 22:16.01 | Aziroshin | It indeed is the dhcp3 server that was causing the problem, as suspected. |
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| 22:25.05 | joe6 | http://codepad.org/kEmrw9cQ, which package installs perl5? |
| 22:25.49 | joe6 | libperl5.12? |
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| 22:26.52 | dvs | joe6: it should already be installed |
| 22:27.53 | streuner_ | judd, versions perl |
| 22:27.54 | judd | Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; sid: 5.12.4-4; wheezy: 5.12.4-4; experimental: 5.14.1-2 |
| 22:27.57 | joe6 | dvs, i am trying to install rxvt-unicode from source and it complains this vay. |
| 22:28.20 | kittonian | is anyone around that knows tc and iptables really well? i need some serious help with traffic shaping. i already have a script but it's not doing what i need. pastebin at http://pastebin.com/fNQA816u - i am trying to configure this so that the VOIP traffic, when it occurs, will steal all the other bandwidth away to do what it needs to do (or at least as much as it needs at any given time). once the call has ended, normal bandwi |
| 22:28.20 | kittonian | dth should resume across the LAN. |
| 22:28.23 | nvz | joe6: for compiling source you dont need perl, you need perl headers |
| 22:28.37 | joe6 | http://codepad.org/IHS9HMeb |
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| 22:28.42 | joe6 | nvz, oh, ok. |
| 22:28.53 | nvz | joe6: -dev packages |
| 22:28.59 | joe6 | nvz, where can I get them from? package name? oh, ok, thakns. |
| 22:29.02 | joe6 | thanks. |
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| 22:29.47 | nvz | cause I highly doubt its written in perl, just implements something in perl |
| 22:30.03 | joe6 | nvz, thanks, i found the package. |
| 22:31.02 | joe6 | nvz, that fixed it, thanks. |
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| 22:33.19 | hachi | hey folks, does anyone know if there's an ISO image for installing debian as EFI? |
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| 22:33.36 | hachi | I've got a box here, that as far as I can find requires EFI (not a mac) to get grub to work, or something |
| 22:33.57 | hachi | and on a whim I seriously just want to try it cause I'm tired of it not doing anything yet |
| 22:34.08 | nvz | heh |
| 22:34.10 | Dulak | hachi: you install grub2, and that will handle the efi thing, iirc |
| 22:34.24 | nvz | grub2 is the default in squeeze |
| 22:34.38 | hachi | yeah, and grub2 is installing itself in pc mode |
| 22:34.54 | hachi | reboot, and the machine never boots from hard drive |
| 22:35.05 | hachi | it never even shows the "GRUB" string or anything |
| 22:35.12 | Dulak | hachi: boot your install media, chroot into your / and install grub using efi |
| 22:35.33 | hachi | documentation about grub efi says I must boot via EFI to install grub efi |
| 22:35.48 | Dulak | ohhh. didn't know that bit. |
| 22:36.09 | Dulak | that should be fun. i'm sure some livecd with efi grub2 is out there |
| 22:37.52 | nvz | hachi: I'd think following a mac mini isntall or such would be the same if you do in fact have efi |
| 22:38.11 | nvz | because the mac mini is standard intel + efi install |
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| 22:38.32 | nvz | wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
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| 22:50.50 | FredWPufs | Hi guys, I have a quick question (been a while for me). I just got myself a Debian 6 64-bit VPS and it is a clean install, I was wondering what the best automated way is to keep things up-to-date. |
| 22:50.55 | FredWPufs | I believe I used apticron in the best, but not sure. |
| 22:51.19 | FredWPufs | In the past I was using something that, if packages were enabled, it would install them, and email me the log to check. |
| 22:51.27 | FredWPufs | If packages were updated* |
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| 22:57.11 | nvz | I have no suggestions for that.. I don't believe in doing automatic updates. Hell I had to change my mirror on several machines recently after kernel.org got hacked.. just as a precaution.. |
| 22:58.23 | FredWPufs | nvz, yeah I know about that, but really, I update regardless. To me it would just take extra effort. Either I login (which I wouldn't do often), and run the two commands manually, or I let software do it, and have me email the output whenever something happened. |
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| 22:59.48 | FredWPufs | If I would install apticron (which only needs an email as configuration), do I need to install any additional software? Or can Debian software send out emails by default? |
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| 23:00.09 | nvz | FredWPufs: if your MTA is configured correctly |
| 23:00.24 | FredWPufs | Erm, let me look up what MTA means. :x |
| 23:00.24 | nvz | by default I believe it only sends mail locally |
| 23:00.31 | Dulak | FredWPufs: exim should be installed and configured for local email, you have to do stuff to configure it for inet mail |
| 23:00.38 | nvz | Mail Transport Agent, its usually exim |
| 23:01.02 | FredWPufs | Yeah Exim is not installed. |
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| 23:01.12 | Dulak | FredWPufs: if you have it email a local account it will work, if you want to use an inet email you need to configure exim accordingly |
| 23:01.27 | Dulak | FredWPufs: skip exim then and install postfix |
| 23:01.37 | tharkun | !beer Dulak |
| 23:01.37 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Delirium Tremens for Dulak |
| 23:01.42 | aixenv | did a lenny to squeeze inplace upgrade and now suphp doesnt work, ive been googling for the last few hours and im not coming up with anything that gives me a fix, any ideas? the sites are getting internal 500 error and it's almost like suphp isnt loading |
| 23:01.56 | FredWPufs | Hmmm, it's like this. I got a VPS with Gandi, and a domain, but the mailing is dealt with by Gandi's mail servers, and I just have the main domain pointed as an A record to the VPS. |
| 23:02.02 | Dulak | FredWPufs: postfix has an 'internet' setting you can choose at install that should allow you to do inet email without a problem |
| 23:02.20 | Dulak | FredWPufs: you need an MTA to mail out |
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| 23:02.29 | FredWPufs | It's not internal though, my mail is handled by a different server. |
| 23:02.36 | tharkun | FredWPufs: use a nullmailer from your system to your VPS relayhost |
| 23:02.40 | FredWPufs | Hmmm thank you for the kind help so far. |
| 23:02.56 | Dulak | FredWPufs: seriously, install postfix, choose the 'internet' option and it should just work, for sending out emails |
| 23:03.21 | FredWPufs | Is there anyway I can send a test mail afterwards? |
| 23:03.27 | tharkun | Dulak: no need to install a full mta when nullmailer is what it is really needed |
| 23:03.50 | tharkun | FredWPufs: mutt is your command line mua |
| 23:03.57 | tharkun | easy to set up and use |
| 23:04.01 | FredWPufs | Yeah, plain and simple, the only mail dealing that needs to be done is apticron notifying me when updates are available on an email account on a different server. |
| 23:04.07 | FredWPufs | I will never ever use any other mail fucntions on that server. |
| 23:04.20 | Dulak | FredWPufs: nullmailer with a relay is the lightest option |
| 23:04.21 | FredWPufs | So I think nullmailer will do? |
| 23:04.38 | FredWPufs | Is there a simple command line program which I can send test emails out with? |
| 23:04.42 | FredWPufs | So I can see if it functions? |
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| 23:04.53 | nvz | sendmail perhaps |
| 23:05.13 | aixenv | telnet |
| 23:05.15 | tharkun | !ssmtp |
| 23:05.16 | dpkg | sSMTP is an extremely simple <MTA> to get mail off the system to a mailhub. It does not receive mail, expand aliases or manage a queue. http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP . See also <nullmailer>. |
| 23:05.18 | Dulak | FredWPufs: I just figured you might do more if you host domains and such, but if you don't need an MTA no need to install it. nullmailer just forwards everything to your hosting provider MTA |
| 23:05.44 | FredWPufs | Dulak, it's a simple and small VPS, it will only host HTML pages and images, that's it. |
| 23:06.14 | tharkun | FredWPufs: ssmtp is your solution ;P just configure it as your VPS provider suggests either with port 587 or 25 accordingly |
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| 23:06.30 | Dulak | FredWPufs: I said that about my dedicated server 10 years ago. I have like 500 domains and over 100 customers on it now. |
| 23:06.52 | FredWPufs | Dulak the VPS will end up being a small website where I can dump projects on for a collection and overview. |
| 23:06.58 | FredWPufs | It could be I won't look at the site for months. |
| 23:07.08 | FredWPufs | Trust me, if I end up doing something like you I will create another VPS server. |
| 23:07.55 | Dulak | Yup. Till some buddy asks you to host his domain. Then your g/f gets a domain and demands an email list, and your uncle asks you about hosting a game server, and 10 years later you are a hosting provider. |
| 23:08.00 | Dulak | Been there, done that. |
| 23:08.08 | aixenv | as anyone run into issues with lenny->squeeze related to suphp 0.7 ? |
| 23:08.20 | FredWPufs | Dulak, I have a content server (although shared web hosting, but it's stable) to take care of that. |
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| 23:08.46 | Dulak | FredWPufs: whatever man, you are me 10 years ago. Enjoy the ride. |
| 23:10.31 | aixenv | no ideas? i suppose i should just do a new install with squeeze - probably save more time to just archive the sites/dbs and re-install with clean squeeze |
| 23:10.59 | tharkun | aixenv: are you using mysql? |
| 23:11.17 | aixenv | server is a LAMP server yes |
| 23:11.19 | MrRoy | I'm having "no screens found" error when I try to startx, yet I have a screen configured in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (see http://pastebin.com/nrxrwuSp). Any ideas? |
| 23:11.41 | nvz | aixenv: well I never had that issue cause idk what suphp is.. but there are lots of lenny->squeeze issues I've found.. it usually is better to install clean, the upgrade seems to break stuff all over |
| 23:11.43 | aixenv | i've found lots of bug reports and various poss of ppl having similar issues but no fixes |
| 23:11.45 | tharkun | aixenv: there where some isues with mysql on the lenny->squeeze upgrade your problem might be there |
| 23:11.55 | Dulak | aixenv: I personally don't like dist upgrades, they always break stuff. You have your deployment automated? |
| 23:11.56 | aixenv | tharkun: agreed sadly |
| 23:11.59 | nvz | which is sad, its the only upgrade I've experienced that didnt go smoothly since I started in potato |
| 23:12.20 | aixenv | etch-> lenny went better than ive seen lenny->squeeze |
| 23:12.27 | aixenv | but also it just depends on what's running on the server i suppose |
| 23:12.37 | tharkun | aixenv: do a backup of your databases and fully upgrade mysql uninstalling it and installing the squeeze version then repopulate your dbs with the backup |
| 23:12.38 | aixenv | apache+php from now on i just doing a migration to a new server |
| 23:12.48 | nvz | most all upgrades I'd done since potato were smooth.. lenny however had a lot of big changes |
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| 23:12.51 | aixenv | well mysql is fine, the issue is suphp |
| 23:12.57 | nvz | lenny->squeeze that is |
| 23:13.14 | aixenv | from what im reading suphp and php5 had lots of changes to squeeze versions, config file changes , etc |
| 23:13.20 | Dulak | I did a fresh install of squeeze after using a squeeze dev box to get the deployment automated. |
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| 23:13.47 | Dulak | Took all of an hour to go from lenny to squeeze on a production box with over 100 customers on it. |
| 23:13.55 | aixenv | ill just archive the sites/dbs and format/reinstall - i hate going that route, this feels like failed windows upgrade |
| 23:13.59 | tharkun | aixenv: Installing fresh might be your best bet as per what Dulak just stated |
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| 23:14.05 | alazare619 | so for some reason its taking well over 10mins to dd a iso hybrid thats 800megs to a jump drive any ideas? |
| 23:14.25 | aixenv | ive done probably 20ish lenny-> squeeze inplaces in the past, this was first time i saw this issue |
| 23:14.35 | aixenv | usually there are other issues, this is a first |
| 23:14.47 | tharkun | aixenv: there is always a first ;P |
| 23:14.54 | aixenv | yea no kiddding sadly |
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| 23:15.32 | MrRoy | Could anyone help me with my "no screens found" problem when trying to startx? I'm pretty sure there is no problem with my xorg.conf file (see http://pastebin.com/nrxrwuSp). I'm using the open-source radeon drivers. |
| 23:15.54 | aixenv | im gonna try copying over the apache* from a working squeeze and see if that fixes it, if nt ill format/reinstall |
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| 23:16.25 | Dulak | aixenv: any reason you don't just purge and reinstall the squeeze packages? |
| 23:16.36 | aixenv | cuz i already tried that and it didnt work |
| 23:16.38 | tharkun | aixenv: remember to do a bacup of your config files before attempting any type of fixing |
| 23:17.08 | Dulak | aixenv: you said it was the suphp? |
| 23:17.11 | aixenv | yea we have an inplace archiving script that gets all the vhost conf files and what not |
| 23:17.18 | aixenv | suphp seems to be the issue yes |
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| 23:18.15 | Dulak | aixenv: what's the issue exactly? |
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| 23:19.59 | aixenv | Dulak: 500 internal server error - errors in error_log such as: Caused by KeyNotFoundException in Configuration.cpp:234: Handler "application/x-httpd-suphp" not found |
| 23:20.42 | Dulak | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/9de6e1938e2b3038?fwc=1 |
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| 23:20.56 | aixenv | this link explains it: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2011-03/msg04011.html |
| 23:20.58 | Dulak | Debian bug 594571 |
| 23:21.18 | aixenv | yea i found that link too |
| 23:21.40 | Dulak | Did you change the mime type for suphp to use the php5 mime type? |
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| 23:21.55 | aixenv | mod-php5 isnt in the equation though that's disabled , it's just using suphp |
| 23:22.03 | neurolysis | Hi, what package should I install if I want `vi'? Right now it is provided by vim.tiny, which is not really what I'm looking for. |
| 23:22.14 | neurolysis | I'm looking for the 'traditional' vi. |
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| 23:23.19 | alazare619 | im trying to dd a iso of the debian live to a jump drive and its taking a rediculously long time any ideas? |
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| 23:24.29 | Dulak | aixenv: the problem is how they changed the handling of the mime type for php5, mod-php5 uses the new way, suphp uses the old way, so you have to switch suphp to the new way manually, until upstream fixes it. |
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| 23:26.07 | aixenv | tried changing the suphp.conf parameters in both /etc/suphp/ and the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/suphp.conf, to no avail |
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| 23:27.06 | Oxy290 | how well does debian run java applications compaired to other os's (windows included) |
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| 23:27.50 | Dulak | mmm, it looks like it's /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf you need to edit. suphp loads mod-php5 apparently |
| 23:28.32 | jmarsden | neurolysis: The BSD 4.4 vi is packaged as nvi |
| 23:28.41 | Dulak | I should maybe look into this suphp thing, it's rather nifty. |
| 23:28.45 | neurolysis | jmarsden: thanks |
| 23:28.50 | aixenv | dulak great for shared vhost server |
| 23:28.51 | jmarsden | neurolysis: You're welcome. |
| 23:29.06 | aixenv | separation of ownership and making sure scripts/files are owned by that user |
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| 23:29.49 | Dulak | aixenv: yeah I am hyper vigilant on my server over that stuff, this would simplify my life a lot |
| 23:31.27 | aixenv | dulak - definitely |
| 23:31.30 | MrRoy | I'm having "no screens found" error when I try to startx, yet I have a screen configured in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (see http://pastebin.com/nrxrwuSp). Any ideas? |
| 23:33.03 | jmarsden | MrRoy: get rid of the xorg.conf and let X autoconfigure itself. |
| 23:33.33 | MrRoy | jmarsden: Is there a command to autoconfigure it? Because it was empty before I config'd it |
| 23:33.51 | jmarsden | MrRoy: If the file does not exist, X will autoconfigure. Just let it. |
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| 23:35.04 | MrRoy | jmarsden: Oh, that worked. Thanks |
| 23:35.15 | jmarsden | MrRoy: You're welcome. |
| 23:35.37 | nvz | MrRoy: btw the config is useless without the error. and you can setup those screens you seemed to be setting up with the monitor config in gnome or using xrandr or such |
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| 23:36.27 | MrRoy | nvz: I'll check that once I have my DE working. Thanks |
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| 23:43.59 | MrRoy | Does Compiz require gnome or kde to be installed on debian? |
| 23:44.30 | joshuap | How stable is Debian? |
| 23:44.56 | tharkun | joshuap: depends on the programs you run on it. |
| 23:45.27 | joe6 | anyone using urxvt with vim? the syntax coloring is all black and white. Did anyone get it to work? |
| 23:46.10 | nkuttler | joe6: try :syntax on |
| 23:47.21 | joe6 | nkuttler, it is on. I think there is something off with the terminal colors. |
| 23:47.31 | joe6 | tput colors = 88 |
| 23:47.33 | tharkun | joe6: any special stuff on ~/.Xresources |
| 23:47.41 | nkuttler | joe6: works for me |
| 23:47.59 | joe6 | nkuttler, what colorscheme are you using in vim? |
| 23:48.08 | joe6 | do you use a dark background in terminal? |
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| 23:48.29 | joe6 | cat you please tell me what "tput colors" returns on the terminal? |
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| 23:48.51 | nkuttler | joe6: 8 |
| 23:49.06 | joshuap | tharkun: web disk.. ssh.. ftp.. irc.. |
| 23:49.28 | joe6 | nkuttler, what colorscheme in vim? |
| 23:49.51 | nkuttler | joe6: no idea. has always worked for me |
| 23:50.01 | joe6 | in vim, :colors |
| 23:50.21 | nkuttler | joe6: do you get colors in, say, xterm? |
| 23:50.59 | joe6 | in gnome-terminal, the syntax coloring works great. but, italics work in rxvt and hence the reason to change to rxvvt. |
| 23:51.07 | tharkun | joshuap: I have a server who has been running for the last 300 days without a hickup. It is running stable. My laptop has been running testing without any real hazardous or toxic circumstances that i can recall. Although a few hickups once in a while |
| 23:51.58 | tharkun | joshuap: as allways it depends on your expertise to solve problems and the needs you might have to run special software |
| 23:52.54 | nkuttler | joe6: default |
| 23:53.00 | aixenv | ah i fixed it |
| 23:53.29 | joe6 | cool, just tried default, it works for me too. |
| 23:53.55 | joe6 | so, I guess it is the issue with the colorscheme that I use. btw, if you have not tried it, check out zenburn, it is awesom. |
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| 23:54.08 | joe6 | but, i cannot get it to work on urxvt though |
| 23:54.24 | tharkun | joe6: you might want to play with .Xresources |
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