| 00:00.50 | thewanderer1 | screw docks, awesome is teh awesome |
| 00:01.06 | qmr | http://awesome.naquadah.org/ this awesome? |
| 00:01.12 | qmr | docks are pretty cool imo |
| 00:01.16 | popkill | qmr: yes |
| 00:01.30 | qmr | popkill: yes this awesome or yes docks are pretty cool |
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| 00:01.55 | popkill | http://awesome.naquadah.org is the awesome project oficial web |
| 00:01.56 | thewanderer1 | this awesome... docks are not cool :P |
| 00:02.08 | namtorba | !5dwm |
| 00:02.11 | namtorba | boo |
| 00:02.15 | qmr | docks are great! |
| 00:02.31 | qmr | hurls a NeXTcube in popkill's general direction |
| 00:03.43 | qmr | how do you launch apps with awesomewm? |
| 00:03.59 | thewanderer1 | meta+r :) |
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| 00:04.16 | popkill | qmr: awesome have a launcher, you can use this launcher with 'modkey + r' |
| 00:04.20 | qmr | and that gives you something like gnome run dialog? (alt F2) |
| 00:05.19 | popkill | qmr: something like gmrun, is based on gtk |
| 00:05.37 | qmr | awesome is installing... any other ideas? |
| 00:05.54 | popkill | qmr: anyway, you can change the keybind asociated to the launch |
| 00:06.21 | popkill | qmr: if you like something more basic, you have dwm too |
| 00:06.24 | qmr | I don't want to change anything. I hate that |
| 00:06.50 | cjg | Hey guys how can I fix this? exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog on ataraxia has non-zero size, mail |
| 00:06.53 | cjg | +system might be broken. |
| 00:07.16 | popkill | qmr: when we use wm, we have to change things ever |
| 00:07.22 | cjg | 2011-09-18 01:27:07 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed: Cannot |
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| 00:07.26 | cjg | +assign requested address: daemon abandoned |
| 00:07.38 | thewanderer1 | popkill: I'm running the default config, works for me :P |
| 00:08.39 | thewanderer1 | cjg: that's hardly a critical error... I don't know what "daemon abandoned" means, but it should be safe to remove the message from the log (truncate it to size 0) and start exim |
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| 00:08.57 | popkill | thewanderer1: yes, that's work, but if you change something like tags names, rules ... you may work better |
| 00:09.28 | cjg | thewanderer1: How do I do that? |
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| 00:10.22 | thewanderer1 | cjg: echo -n >/var/log/exim4/paniclog |
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| 00:18.58 | qmr | ok, awesomewm is crap. made by 15 year olds for 15 year olds. 6pt fonts everywhere! |
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| 00:21.40 | lotus-blade|2 | hello. I am trying to install the drivers for ati. is there any good way to do this? I have 2 of the same card installed |
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| 00:22.09 | somiaj | lotus-blade|2: do you want the free or non-free drivers |
| 00:22.21 | lotus-blade|2 | whatever is better |
| 00:22.41 | lotus-blade|2 | not sure what would work better |
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| 00:25.25 | qmr | lotus-blade|2: just download the .run file from ATI |
| 00:25.59 | qmr | so does debian have the new 'configless' X or whatever like ubuntu has? |
| 00:26.29 | somiaj | lotus-blade|2: the free version will just work by default and you won't have to do anythig special |
| 00:27.12 | somiaj | lotus-blade|2: the non-free version from ati requires you get the fglrx packages and then modify your xorg.conf (usually harder for most) |
| 00:27.38 | somiaj | lotus-blade|2: the non-free gives slightly better 3d support for games but you won't notice the difference for most other things. |
| 00:29.13 | qmr | yea, 3d games native and in wine is the main reason you'd want proprietary drivers.. otherwise you don't have much of a need of it |
| 00:30.47 | namtorba | qmr: you sohuldn't use the .run from ati |
| 00:31.03 | qmr | namtorba: why's that? |
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| 00:33.04 | namtorba | why would you? it has no concept of package management |
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| 00:33.07 | gnarface | AAARRGH! |
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| 00:33.08 | gnarface | apparently (i should have seen this coming) NIS is allergic to vservers? |
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| 00:33.11 | somiaj | qmr: because it could conflict with the way debian does things then it could overwrite (or debian could overwrite) files during upgrades |
| 00:33.11 | somiaj | qmr: install the fglrx dkms and gl packages |
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| 00:34.08 | unkmar | What is a jack server and why would I care. More importantly. I keep getting errors that it can't be connected to and that it isn't running. So, how do I shut that. |
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| 00:34.19 | unkmar | I suspect festival or aplay. |
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| 00:35.24 | namtorba | unkmar: apt-cache show jackd ? |
| 00:35.29 | lotus-blade|2 | what is the best way to see what vid cards are on the system? |
| 00:35.30 | somiaj | unkmar: what application, Jack is just another one of the (way to many) sound servers that are mostly pointless with dmix in alsa |
| 00:35.39 | namtorba | lotus-blade|2: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 00:35.58 | lotus-blade|2 | thank you forgot about that |
| 00:36.00 | somiaj | unkmar: sound servers just make thigns more confusing, the new big name in sound servers is 'pulseaudio' -- but I can't keep up with how they change...get a hardware mixer on your sound card is my suggestion. |
| 00:36.11 | unkmar | ok, so somiaj is who I want to listen to. so, How do I... reading. |
| 00:36.38 | unkmar | ok, so I stop the requests to jack server HOW? |
| 00:36.54 | somiaj | unkmar: depends on the software you are using. What software is requesting the jack server? |
| 00:37.49 | namtorba | these programs have documentation ... no need to bottle feed |
| 00:38.29 | unkmar | somiaj: so espeak is the culprit. |
| 00:38.49 | somiaj | unkmar: so configure it just to use alsa as its sound output |
| 00:39.10 | unkmar | well, I GTG. I'll either be back in later to figure out how or google it. Either way. Thanks |
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| 00:39.58 | namtorba | cute |
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| 00:47.59 | gnarface | so does anyone know how to configure portmap to run on two separate vserver guests? |
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| 00:48.09 | gnarface | this is a problem for my NIS attempt |
| 00:48.50 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 00:52.59 | namtorba | gnarface: why are you using NIS? |
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| 00:54.31 | gnarface | namtorba: because, up till this moment, i thought it was going to be easier. but if portmap can't be forced to behave apparently this is not possible. do you know otherwise? |
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| 00:57.09 | namtorba | gnarface: to do whta? |
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| 00:58.43 | gnarface | namtorba: NIS is a authentication centralization mechanism for *nix servers. its for being able to give users shell access to multiple machines without having to manually keep their UID/GID/Password information in sync across said servers |
| 00:59.27 | namtorba | so is LDAP |
| 00:59.30 | namtorba | so is samba |
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| 01:00.12 | gnarface | namtorba: but they're both a pain in the ass to set up AND to find documentation for. i've been leaning towards kerberos as an option but i was hoping someone would know a way to get portmap just to share. this would be a problem for NFS as well |
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| 01:02.37 | namtorba | ldap is a pain? |
| 01:03.45 | gnarface | namtorba: yea. i can't even find concise documentation on how to set it up. kerberos isn't quite so ba |
| 01:03.46 | gnarface | d |
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| 01:04.00 | namtorba | gnarface: your google skills must be awful |
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| 01:05.41 | gnarface | namtorba: you ever set it up yourself? show me the docs you used. i can't even get *through* the offical ldap docs to figure out the part that tells me how to do specifically what i want to do |
| 01:06.01 | gnarface | namtorba: on the other hand NIS has a simple 2 page setup that can be memorized and is posted like in a billion places |
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| 01:06.41 | namtorba | gnarface: did you make a stop in #ldap ? |
| 01:07.04 | namtorba | http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM |
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| 01:07.47 | gnarface | namtorba: yes that is the actual documention i'm talking about. i'm guessing you've used LDAP and swear by it but you have never had to actually set it up from scratch yourself and have also never set up NIS so you have no frame of reference. |
| 01:08.01 | namtorba | i have used ldap .. but thanks |
| 01:08.11 | namtorba | and NIS .. but long ago |
| 01:08.28 | gnarface | i'm aware of NIS's limitations |
| 01:08.42 | gnarface | the problem i'm having really is more of a portmap limitation. it caught me by surprise |
| 01:08.46 | gnarface | it will make NFS a problem as well |
| 01:08.50 | namtorba | that i don't know about .. |
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| 01:12.33 | gnarface | namtorba: what's your opinion on bcfg2? |
| 01:12.48 | namtorba | prefers the BFG9000 |
| 01:13.05 | namtorba | never used it, never heard of it |
| 01:13.09 | dvs | O_O |
| 01:13.26 | gnarface | dvs: bcfg2? |
| 01:14.00 | gnarface | dvs: i'm looking for alternatives to NIS and trying really hard to not use LDAP or Kerberos (but they're not eliminated from consideration just yet) |
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| 01:15.30 | dvs | gnarface: I was referring to the BFG 9000! |
| 01:15.52 | gnarface | dvs: hah |
| 01:16.28 | namtorba | not sure why you're avoiding LDAP |
| 01:17.22 | simonlnu | yeh really |
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| 01:17.40 | gnarface | ok lets ask some basics that all my google-foo couldn't even answer |
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| 01:17.51 | simonlnu | you don't need kerberos i don't think |
| 01:17.56 | namtorba | he doesn't |
| 01:18.05 | gnarface | say i've eliminated password authentication from my ssh daemon |
| 01:18.14 | gnarface | all my users have public/private rsa key pairs |
| 01:18.30 | gnarface | how do i keep from going back to plain text passwords if i roll out LDAP? |
| 01:18.42 | simonlnu | who says you have to? |
| 01:18.55 | namtorba | apparently he's tested this extensively! |
| 01:19.06 | simonlnu | heh |
| 01:19.07 | gnarface | simonlnu: i seriously just couldn't find a howto for that |
| 01:19.19 | simonlnu | because you don't have to |
| 01:19.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | bcfg2 looked nice in every way but using xml for its configuration :/ |
| 01:19.53 | gnarface | hmm |
| 01:20.03 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: it uses xml for its config structure? |
| 01:20.09 | gnarface | simonlnu: explain? |
| 01:20.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 01:20.49 | simonlnu | explain what? |
| 01:21.00 | gnarface | simonlnu> because you don't have to |
| 01:21.05 | gnarface | i don't know what you mean by that |
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| 01:21.57 | simonlnu | use ldap if you're using ssh key auth; what you'd use ldap for in this case is for nss |
| 01:26.33 | pipeline | gnarface: ldap can use a variety of password hashing schemes, or none at all (i.e. use binds instead of passing hashes around) |
| 01:27.10 | pipeline | gnarface: ldap can also be ssl. or not. It's very much up to your chosen implementation implementation method ( nss_ldap/pam_ldap/sssd/pam_krb5 ), all of the above ) |
| 01:27.23 | namtorba | simonlnu: isn't there a mechanism to store the ssh keys in the ldap also? |
| 01:27.31 | pipeline | namtorba: not really |
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| 01:29.20 | simonlnu | yes there is |
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| 01:29.28 | simonlnu | optional |
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| 01:33.37 | lotus-blade | I have 2 ati radeon 9200 pro cards. tried installing ati nonfree drivers and it said that there is no devices installed for that |
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| 01:34.03 | namtorba | lotus-blade: those don't use the ati drivers anymore .. haven't for like .. uh .. 5 years? |
| 01:34.28 | lotus-blade | ok, what do they use now? |
| 01:34.35 | namtorba | the free radeon drivers |
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| 01:39.14 | lotus-blade | so in xorg.conf it is just radeon for the driver? |
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| 02:01.35 | aussa | hi, I'm trying to install debian squeeze from a usb stick, I tried this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#ftn.id447813 and this: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb , when I tried to boot from it, it just shows me a white line flashing... I tried with the netinst and business version... any suggestion? |
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| 02:06.39 | namtorba | aussa: eh .. i thikn you just want the first paragraph of that page |
| 02:06.45 | namtorba | aussa: 4.3.2 |
| 02:06.48 | LtL | lotus-blade: I noticed you said you had two ATI cards installed, are you running them in SLI or crossfire mode? Let me know how ya do -- tia |
| 02:07.22 | namtorba | LtL: he's using 9200s ... |
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| 02:09.01 | LtL | namtorba: reason I asked is I two ati 5750's in a win7 machine I'd love to have debian on it. |
| 02:09.41 | namtorba | LtL: aren't those newer? |
| 02:09.52 | namtorba | as in .. x5750? |
| 02:10.07 | LtL | namtorba: I've no idea, wold have to look |
| 02:10.20 | LtL | *would |
| 02:10.33 | namtorba | LtL: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 02:12.10 | LtL | namtorba: I'm not on that box, this debian box has just one video card .. an old underpowered ati. |
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| 02:13.04 | LtL | namtorba: I'e just never seen anyone getting X running with twin HD ATI's, or nvidia. |
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| 02:14.05 | namtorba | LtL: ask #ati or #nvidia how it might be possible |
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| 02:15.20 | LtL | namtorba: the xorg.conf edit consequences don't exactly appeal to me. This old P-D 3.00ghz does ok with a radeon x600 |
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| 02:15.36 | Amarande | hmm. what's the command/site again to figure out what package provides a particular file? |
| 02:16.01 | Amarande | apparently, I'm not getting DRI rendering under squeeze under nouveau because "/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so" wasn't found |
| 02:16.03 | LtL | Amarande: apt-file? nah.. |
| 02:16.12 | dvs | Amarande: dpkg -S |
| 02:16.40 | Amarande | dvs: that only works for packages that are actually installed, doesn't it? |
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| 02:16.58 | Amarande | this is more "what package do I need to install because foo is missing" |
| 02:17.19 | bvk | what is the easiest way to display file content from offset X to Y on stdout? |
| 02:17.32 | dvs | Amarande: or apt-cache search |
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| 02:18.29 | dvs | uses packages.debian.org personally. |
| 02:19.54 | Amarande | ok, I'm not actually finding a nouveau_dri.so in squeeze |
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| 02:20.05 | Amarande | even though X is apparently complaining that it needs one in order for DRI to operate |
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| 02:24.32 | somiaj | Amarande: what kernel are you using? |
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| 02:25.08 | Amarande | Linux naamah 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:23:16 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:25.17 | Amarande | stock squeeze |
| 02:25.23 | namtorba | LtL: where did i say anything about xorg.conf .. i told you to ask the people that have more experience how it's done |
| 02:25.36 | lotus-blade | is there any way to get debian detect that I have a dual head system on its own? |
| 02:27.10 | somiaj | Amarande: it looks like it missing the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package for the xorg driver. |
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| 02:28.18 | Amarande | nope, that's installed. |
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| 02:28.35 | Amarande | it's picking up the nouveau driver as default and using it, saying that DRI is supported, but then trying to find that .so file and failing, and thus deciding not to do DRI |
| 02:28.42 | LtL | namtorba: I was never asking for help! I was merely trying to see if lotus-blade was trying to run twin vid cards under debian, 'cuz that'd be a sweet trick and I would fdisk my hotrod win7 i7 machine and run my twin ati's with squeeze... whew |
| 02:29.34 | lotus-blade | yes I am |
| 02:29.45 | lotus-blade | 2 of the same cards |
| 02:30.24 | lotus-blade | it is 2 ati radeon 9200 pro cards |
| 02:30.44 | LtL | lotus-blade: well look up the card's chipset ID, find the module it uses and figure out how to get X to use 'em |
| 02:31.12 | lotus-blade | did that and get nothing but black screens |
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| 02:32.55 | namtorba | LtL: lots of people do it .. |
| 02:33.04 | LtL | lotus-blade: I would have guessed, try looking at dmesg, /var/log/Xorg.1.log, and consider a very intense self-generated xorg.conf or what debian doesn.t use anymore. |
| 02:33.08 | namtorba | but the fact that lotus-blade is using the ati.com driver probably isn't helping |
| 02:33.34 | lotus-blade | not using ati.com driver |
| 02:33.40 | LtL | namtorba: really? I really never bothered to google it |
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| 02:34.14 | namtorba | lotus-blade: you said you were |
| 02:34.28 | LtL | namtorba: he trying :) |
| 02:34.30 | lotus-blade | couldn't get it to install |
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| 02:37.00 | LtL | namtorba: I have never had luck with ati proprietary drivers, the free drivers have always served well. I've tried it numerous time, disto's, etc. |
| 02:37.39 | LtL | namtorba: my spelling is segfaulting |
| 02:39.25 | LtL | lotus-blade: if you get it to work, I'd love to know. my i7 1TB 12GB ram and 57500's would kick |
| 02:39.37 | namtorba | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 02:39.40 | Amarande | *blink* |
| 02:39.50 | namtorba | Amarande: some people do it just because they can ... |
| 02:39.50 | Amarande | "This is good, because nouveau_dri.so is the Gallium3D driver, and as you know, it is in development and not supported. It would only bring trouble, especially with AIGLX." |
| 02:40.01 | Amarande | (on the nouveau page, in re the particular error I got) |
| 02:40.37 | Amarande | so nouveau doesn't support DRI at all intentionally, and nvidia *must* use the non-free driver for that? |
| 02:40.40 | LtL | Amarande: whats the command again to see the driver's status, other than dmicode? |
| 02:40.56 | LtL | er dmidecode? |
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| 02:41.06 | namtorba | driver status? |
| 02:41.13 | LtL | namtorba: ok |
| 02:41.27 | Amarande | LtL: I'm looking through the actual xorg logs |
| 02:41.36 | Amarande | and noting also that glxgears does, in fact, tell me it is using software rendering |
| 02:41.54 | LtL | namtorba: I've done debian for ages but forget easy stuff at times :) |
| 02:43.38 | LtL | Amarande: last iran glxinfo at a glance was for fps, but thanks, that's probably what I want. glxinfo tells me my ati is slow i forget how many times but its still a fast display |
| 02:43.50 | yagoo | LtL, u mean you don't remember how to debug a kernel? pfftt. come on everybody knows that :p |
| 02:44.55 | yagoo | LtL, type apropos driver or module, there's new commands like lsusb, lspci |
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| 02:46.22 | LtL | yagoo: yeah, know those but i got lazy when it comes to compiling kernels, too many machines to maintain as it is. |
| 02:46.41 | somiaj | Amarande: you are requesting a strange file, not sure why. What xorg package are you using (from backports or just from squeeze)? |
| 02:46.58 | yagoo | LtL, try pxe.. you can even boot stuff with diskless stations |
| 02:47.06 | LtL | 'glxgears -info' shows alot of 'stuff' |
| 02:47.28 | LtL | yagoo: booting isn't any problem |
| 02:48.57 | Amarande | somiaj: squeeze |
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| 02:49.20 | Amarande | I'm also trying to check with #nouveau to make sure this functionality *is actually supported in nouveau* before I bang my head into the wall any more |
| 02:49.28 | yagoo | somiaj, bpo is official is it not? |
| 02:50.39 | somiaj | yagoo: offical as in made by debian, but you dont' get security patches from the security team. |
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| 02:51.00 | Amarande | unfortunately, the supported hardware page for nouveau seems to be seven shades of outdated |
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| 02:54.00 | Coweater | anyone familiar with the method for rotating mouse movement axis? i've seen it before but my searches aren't finding anything now |
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| 03:11.06 | Amarande | bwuh. |
| 03:11.17 | unkmar | I'm back. And wondering how to configure espeak to NOT use jack. |
| 03:11.25 | unkmar | to use Alsa instead. |
| 03:11.27 | Amarande | Debian really needs to work on supporting DRI better, seriously. |
| 03:11.40 | unkmar | DRI? |
| 03:11.48 | Amarande | Squeeze just came out this year. This video card is three generations old, technically four since the GTS 250 is really a rebranded 9800 GTX+ |
| 03:11.57 | Amarande | and it's *still too new to get open-source DRI on Debian* |
| 03:12.09 | Amarande | Direct Rendering Interface, aka "hardware 3D acceleration" |
| 03:12.39 | Amarande | I really don't think we want to end up being known as the distro that only works optimally on ancient machines. :S |
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| 03:13.36 | qmr | Amarande: what about nvidia drivers? |
| 03:13.46 | Amarande | qmr: yeah, it looks like I'm going to have to use the non-free driver |
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| 03:13.59 | unkmar | qmr: I couldn't get them to install on my GeForce2 based system. |
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| 03:14.02 | qmr | I don't care about free, just make my polygons go |
| 03:14.17 | qmr | GeForce2, christ that's old |
| 03:14.44 | unkmar | Yeah, old laptop with.... Wait for it.... 1600x1200 screen resolution. |
| 03:15.01 | unkmar | I really do NOT want to ditch that kind of resolution. |
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| 03:15.44 | somiaj | Amarande: the nouvenu 3D support even on 'more modern systems' is still lacking on the 3D side. But yes squeeze began to freeze fairly early in the introduction of the new free drivers. |
| 03:15.46 | qmr | nice. |
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| 03:16.17 | qmr | yea, high res screens are nice. I looked around for a higher res panel for my T60, but all Ic ould find was new ones at like $160-$200... not worth it for an old machine :( |
| 03:16.19 | Amarande | somiaj: and worse, froze on a kernel too old to even install the new free drivers |
| 03:16.26 | Amarande | nouveau documentation says that requires 2.6.38 |
| 03:16.27 | qmr | I have XGA. .. at least at home I can use a full HD external monitor |
| 03:16.48 | Amarande | and I'm not exactly sure how new you can go on a kernel from sources before squeeze's base system tools and libc get too old. |
| 03:16.53 | somiaj | Amarande: so install 2.6.39 from backports, debian stable's goals are far more than just desktops. |
| 03:17.16 | unkmar | I still haven't bothered memorizing the miriad of GA names. XGA, VGA, SVGA, EXGA or whatever. |
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| 03:17.50 | Amarande | unkmar: I pretty much stopped remembering them at SVGA |
| 03:18.07 | Amarande | which, as I recall, is properly anything beyond 320x200x256, but I may be foggy on that |
| 03:18.13 | somiaj | Amarande: debian cut will probabaly apease the desktop croud and hopefully remove these issues (and the large number of people in here getting help on testing) (: |
| 03:18.35 | Amarande | cut? I thought the next one was wheezy |
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| 03:19.04 | Amarande | and I really need to see the newer Toy Story movies apparently, because I'm finding myself no longer remembering any of these names and starting to wonder if they were even in the first one at all heh |
| 03:19.07 | somiaj | Amarande: debian cut is a totally new rolling release |
| 03:19.30 | somiaj | Amarande: its goign to be snapshots of testing that undergo a quciker and more frequent (about once a month) release schedule |
| 03:19.36 | somiaj | Amarande: or a rolling release. |
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| 03:19.47 | th0r | somiaj: and due out about the 23rd century |
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| 03:19.57 | somiaj | th0r: I'm expecting it after wheezy stabalizes. |
| 03:20.00 | unkmar | somiaj: do you know how I can configure my espeak to NOT try to use jack? |
| 03:20.14 | Amarande | blah. |
| 03:20.19 | somiaj | unkmar: you read the espeak documeantation. I have never used that application. |
| 03:20.22 | Amarande | vi is not behaving. |
| 03:20.47 | Amarande | I'm trying to edit sources.list to add non-free, but every time I go to the end of a line, hit i, and try to cursor right, instead it goes up to the line before that and adds in the letter C. |
| 03:21.04 | Amarande | I don't remember it doing this in the past ... |
| 03:21.52 | Amarande | ah, somewhere along the line you guys switched to vim-tiny instead of normal vim |
| 03:22.36 | Amarande | which, apparently, was it. |
| 03:23.44 | somiaj | umm, you can install any of a few vim packages, and set which one is default with the alternatives system |
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| 03:26.54 | unkmar | checking out the documentation now. |
| 03:28.01 | Amarande | hm, dpkg's instructions for installing the non-free nvidia apparently need updating |
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| 03:28.28 | Amarande | I typed in the long command it says when you ask about "nvidia dkms" and it immediately complained about unmet dependencies |
| 03:28.46 | Amarande | "nvidia-kernel-dkms: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20100522) which is a virtual package." |
| 03:29.12 | Amarande | there is no mention of having to deal with that in the instructions dpkg gives. |
| 03:29.18 | karlpinc | I've got a box with an external hard drive and got these errors from dmesg. http://paste.debian.net/131113/ This is from after unmounting the fs. Sadly, I lost the earlier dmesg output but do recall that there was at least one kind of error that preceeded these. This is on an external usb hd. Smart self-tests fine, including the long test. And everything is back to normal after fsck -fy (which reported filesystem changed but nothing else) and reboot. |
| 03:29.57 | karlpinc | Amarande: Did you do an "aptitude update" first? |
| 03:30.23 | Dewi | karlpinc: sounds like it was not really unmounted |
| 03:30.28 | somiaj | Amarande: do you have something strange in your sources.list, nvidia-kernel-common is not a virt package. |
| 03:30.32 | Dewi | karlpinc: do you have LVM running on the disk btw? |
| 03:30.58 | karlpinc | Dewi: Strange thing was, it did unmount. But before that seemed to be mounted ro even though mount said rw. Yes, there is lvm. |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | just deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ squeeze main non-free |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | deb-src http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ squeeze main non-free |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.58 | Amarande | bah. forgot non-free on squeeze-updates. wonder if that's it. |
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| 03:32.34 | Dewi | karlpinc: well I can't explain your FS-specific error, but I can recommend that you do "lvchange -an <lv>" before yanking |
| 03:32.37 | somiaj | Amarande: throw contrib in there just to be safe. |
| 03:32.55 | Dewi | karlpinc: otherwise LVM will tend to get confused |
| 03:32.55 | karlpinc | Dewi: At least fsck did not complain about it being mounted. |
| 03:33.18 | karlpinc | Dewi: Makes sense. And that indeed could have been what happened. I'm not on-site to know whether the usb cable was un/re-plugged. |
| 03:33.24 | Amarande | ah, yeah, looks like it needs something from contrib too |
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| 03:33.46 | karlpinc | Dewi: So, looks lvm-ish to you? |
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| 03:34.21 | Dewi | karlpinc: not the actual error you're getting, no. I just noticed there's a device mapper involved |
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| 03:35.02 | Dewi | karlpinc: and know from experience that it's not safe to hotswap until it's marked non-available |
| 03:35.02 | qwertybewbs | where is my mind? |
| 03:35.17 | Amarande | hmm. xorg.conf.d exists, so the command in the installation instructions stops. |
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| 03:35.47 | Amarande | can one just continue with the adding the Device section part, or is it necessary to delete the xorg.conf.d directory before continuing? |
| 03:35.56 | karlpinc | Dewi: Still, that's helpful. I'll make a note to tell them to reboot the box if they accidently unplug the cable. (That's all they know how to do, and hey, it works. :) |
| 03:36.07 | Amarande | assuming that one does not want unnecessary risk of bad and lose, anyway |
| 03:36.58 | Amarande | ah, the rest of the command did execute. |
| 03:37.07 | Amarande | I really should learn bash better before thinking things like this. |
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| 03:38.50 | karlpinc | The code example for shell in "man 1 flock" fails when run in dash. This looks like a bug in dash but I figured I'd ask here before filing a bug report because my brain is currently broken. |
| 03:39.46 | somiaj | karlpinc: works fine here in sid |
| 03:39.58 | karlpinc | somiaj: Maybe is fixed then. |
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| 03:40.17 | somiaj | karlpinc: well I hope I'm in dash, let me try something else |
| 03:40.44 | somiaj | yea I get the man page just fine with /bin/dash -c "man 1 flock" |
| 03:40.54 | CrazyGir | hello! is it ok to setup dhcp for a bridge network interface? |
| 03:41.07 | CrazyGir | all the examples I have seen so far use static configurations |
| 03:41.53 | karlpinc | somiaj: I'm talking about the code in the man page that has the ( flock -s 200 ; ... ) 200>/var/lock/mylockfile in it. |
| 03:42.01 | somiaj | CrazyGir: wouldn't you have to reconfigure your route for teh bridge depending on the ip get you get? |
| 03:42.21 | CrazyGir | shrug |
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| 03:42.26 | CrazyGir | is the system not smart enough to do so? |
| 03:42.30 | CrazyGir | seems silly.. |
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| 03:42.46 | karlpinc | somiaj: You get: dash: Syntax error: word unexpected |
| 03:42.59 | somiaj | CrazyGir: I am not that familar with bridges but I thought they were coded to the ip. I'm sure you could add some script to do it with dhcp, but by default it probabaly won't |
| 03:43.03 | CrazyGir | is there a better way to setup connection sharing for a wired port on a laptop running kvms? |
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| 03:44.21 | gnarface | pipeline, simonlnu: so I read http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM and http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup and there are still gaps in my understanding of this. what else am i missing? |
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| 03:45.28 | somiaj | CrazyGir: I always used iptables NAT and DMASQ for connenction sharing, and that you can attach to the interface. |
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| 03:48.03 | CrazyGir | somiaj: kvms will be happy? |
| 03:48.11 | somiaj | what is kvms? |
| 03:49.00 | CrazyGir | linux kvm |
| 03:49.02 | somiaj | CrazyGir: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections -- this says you can use dhcp just fine. |
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| 03:50.03 | CrazyGir | oh cool, I missed that |
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| 03:50.29 | CrazyGir | next question, is it bad to bypass the included network manager? |
| 03:50.44 | somiaj | CrazyGir: yea there is a difference between a bridge and a route (iptables) -- I really need to learn my networking layers better. |
| 03:51.00 | CrazyGir | :) |
| 03:51.05 | somiaj | CrazyGir: I say you just remove network-manager and just use /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:52.17 | somiaj | network-manager can be annoying and cause problems, and once you get efficent at the interfaces file just extra (you should just chmod 600 /etc/network/interfaces if you put wireless passkeys) |
| 03:53.18 | CrazyGir | nods |
| 03:53.23 | CrazyGir | I'll take note :) |
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| 03:55.49 | th0r | CrazyGir: if you log into other wifi systems often (library, school, mcdonalds) you will find it easier to use a gui of some sort. If network-mangler is giving you problems, you might consider wicd. |
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| 03:56.44 | somiaj | th0r: why not just use aliases (only thing I like the GUI for is finding an unknown network, but I'm getting more use to iwlist wlan0 scan) |
| 03:57.13 | somiaj | th0r: I guess I lack the auto bring up my network, I have to type in ifup wlan0=<network name> each time. |
| 03:58.02 | th0r | somiaj: well, not all libraries are wpa2, not all are wpa-psk, some are even wep. It gets to be a hassle to edit the wpa config and the interfaces file every time you want to log onto another network. I use a lot of marina networks, and just entering the ssid can sometimes be problematic |
| 03:58.11 | th0r | somiaj: just makes life easier |
| 03:58.41 | somiaj | th0r: yea I really like wicd, to bad its development stalled. I just dont' run one because my wireless drivers suck and all teh automatic stuff in the background gets them to crash my kernel. :/ |
| 03:59.39 | th0r | somiaj: devel may have stopped, but it works, so what else should they do? like saying dev on nuts and bolts has stopped...it reaches a point where there is nothing left to do. |
| 04:00.20 | th0r | somiaj: unless you suffer from sns |
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| 04:03.47 | unkmar | somiaj: I learned to setup my wireless manually, along with creating my own helper script. It is painful and ugly, yet I can now get my wireless working through the cli. |
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| 04:04.08 | gnarface | wireless is for people who don't know how to crimp ends on ethernet cable properly |
| 04:04.28 | MrFrood | +1 gnarface |
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| 04:05.02 | gnarface | :-D |
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| 04:05.20 | dsdeiz | heya is /sbin/ part of $PATH? |
| 04:05.23 | unkmar | gnarface: or those that enjoy portability such as coffee shops. |
| 04:05.35 | gnarface | dsdeiz: by default; only if you're root |
| 04:05.40 | dsdeiz | ahh |
| 04:05.54 | dsdeiz | awesome, thanks! |
| 04:05.55 | MrFrood | in the same way that wordprocessors are for people who don't know how to use groff |
| 04:06.15 | gnarface | hah |
| 04:06.42 | Amarande | by 'groff' you mean 'TeX', right? |
| 04:06.44 | gnarface | MrFrood: i can't argue with that point |
| 04:06.50 | Amarande | prods GNOME |
| 04:07.00 | Amarande | I installed a theme, but it's not showing up in the theme selector. |
| 04:07.36 | MrFrood | Amarande: no I mean groff, the gnu version of troff |
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| 04:09.42 | CrazyGir | th0r: thanks! |
| 04:09.52 | unkmar | eh, I'll learn groff later. :P |
| 04:10.09 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 04:10.10 | Amarande | heh, I think Plain TeX might be a little more useful to learn than groff. |
| 04:10.44 | CrazyGir | unkmar: I would like to avoid that.. I have spent enough time debugging wifi networks, I would prefer my interfaces 'just work' so I can go focus on more pressing and important developer/sysadmin tasks :) |
| 04:11.39 | MrFrood | should probably have this conversation in off topic but for non scientific stuff groff is (IMHO) much simpler |
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| 04:12.39 | unkmar | CrazyGir: yeah, that is why I wrote my script. it just works, well, a tiny bit of tweaking depending on if the card is seen as wlan0 or wlan1 or .. Who knows. |
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| 04:13.05 | CrazyGir | hah |
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| 04:14.00 | Amarande | actually, that makes me think now |
| 04:14.12 | Amarande | are GTK2 themes compatible with squeeze's gnome or do I need a GTK3 theme? |
| 04:14.20 | unkmar | The annoying part of my program is that I have the pleasure of typing in the pass-key/passphrase EVERY time I want to connect. Nothing automated about that. :( eh... I'm just glad I don't usually need my script. Got my interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf file setup nicely. |
| 04:14.26 | Amarande | I installed "Midnight OS X" and it's not showing up in the theme selector |
| 04:15.32 | Amarande | and I'm not exactly sure WHY it's not in the theme selector. I even tried issuing the killall command to restart the gnome panels and it still didn't come up. |
| 04:16.18 | Amarande | unless maybe all the good theming now is for compiz and I should just install that |
| 04:16.36 | unkmar | oh, and I unhappy with what has happened with conky so... Any suggestions on replacing any of its functionality? I don't tend to have any panels, docks or trays running. |
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| 04:16.58 | somiaj | Amarande: you need a gnome2 theme (gtk2) -- is there a button to install a theme on the theme selecter you can just point at the theme file? |
| 04:17.05 | th0r | unkmar: gkrellm? |
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| 04:17.43 | somiaj | unkmar: I like xosview |
| 04:18.33 | Amarande | ah, there we go |
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| 04:19.02 | Amarande | apparently, the themes you download are "controls" themes and don't show up in the main theme selector. |
| 04:20.24 | Amarande | you have to go to "customise" and "controls" |
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| 04:23.58 | unkmar | Hmm. gkrellm, xosview. Decisions, decisions. looks like gkrellm is a little complicated and a 2 parter. deamon and client. That has worked well for me with mpd and mpc. Allows easy key bindings to start and stop my music. |
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| 04:24.59 | unkmar | xosview appears to be lightweight. My laptop is very old, I use openbox and no panels to help remain lightweight and have at least some performance. |
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| 04:32.25 | th0r | unkmar: gkrellm deamon is only for monitoring servers remotely. And it has been my experience that gkrellm is lighter on resources than anything else I have tried. And it is quite configurable as well |
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| 04:35.27 | unkmar | so.... How do I redirect an error to /dev/null ? |
| 04:35.40 | somiaj | unkmar: error from what? |
| 04:36.05 | unkmar | cause it looks like a recompile of espeak is required to shutup the jack server errors. |
| 04:37.05 | unkmar | and I didn't compile the binary. I used the aptitude system. I'm a little lazy in the compile area. That's why i use things like bash and perl. |
| 04:37.55 | somiaj | it depends on how you run the program but <command> 2> /dev/null |
| 04:38.35 | somiaj | the 2> means redirect stderr but stdout isn't redirected |
| 04:39.14 | somiaj | you can use &> to redirect everything |
| 04:39.53 | unkmar | I'll use 2> thank you. and I will try to remember the &> trick. |
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| 04:45.26 | unkmar | Ok, that is one more... glitch that has been patched. |
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| 04:55.00 | joe6 | which package has the process wpa_supplicant? apt-file search or aptitude search do not return anythig. |
| 04:55.26 | joe6 | though, aptitude remove suggests that it is part of wpagui or dhcpd-gtk. |
| 04:55.57 | joe6 | and both those packages are not installed on my system. |
| 04:56.05 | gnarface | joe6: wpasupplicant |
| 04:56.33 | joe6 | cool, thanks a lot. gnarface. |
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| 05:03.16 | joe6 | do I need the dbus-daemon when I do not have gnome or gdm running on my system? |
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| 05:03.41 | joe6 | is it used by X? (startx, etc..) |
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| 05:06.25 | gnarface | joe6: that i do not know. i am currently running it |
| 05:06.48 | joe6 | how about avahi-daemon? it seems useless to my purposes? |
| 05:07.23 | gnarface | joe6: yes i'd recommend removing that |
| 05:07.29 | joe6 | ok, thanks. |
| 05:07.48 | unkmar | what is avahi? |
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| 05:08.18 | gnarface | unkmar: IMO: a lame attempt to make linux boxes behave like macs. its a bad idea on multiple levels. |
| 05:08.22 | wols | unkmar: an implementation of zeroconf/bonjour |
| 05:08.28 | joe6 | something about sending arp requests when connected to a network. |
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| 05:08.30 | qxt | Is there a backport of Eclipse or any other way to install it? On testing main. Eclipse is really is the back bone for developing programs in a "modern" way. |
| 05:08.46 | gnarface | unkmar: basically, network-level hotplug-based autoconfiguration |
| 05:09.06 | gnarface | unkmar: i've seen it cause troubles with static configurations |
| 05:09.27 | joe6 | gnarface, are you running the process? ├─modem-manager,1587 |
| 05:09.45 | qxt | unkmar avahi is the Devil. |
| 05:09.47 | unkmar | gnarface: I tend to run dhclient manually, just fine. so... A waste of space? |
| 05:09.58 | gnarface | joe6: negative |
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| 05:11.17 | gnarface | unkmar: at least make sure it doesn't start. i'm not sure its smart enough to avoid clobbering your running network configuration |
| 05:11.29 | joe6 | there are so many processes that run once you have gnome on the system. |
| 05:11.34 | qxt | Anything way to install Eclipse on Wheezy? I spend 8 hours a day coding in Eclipse and it would be nice to use it at home. |
| 05:11.41 | joe6 | it is unbelievable, that you truly need so little. |
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| 05:12.24 | gnarface | joe6: and here i was just thinking about how +300MB seems like a lot for a base install |
| 05:12.29 | joe6 | gnarface, do you know the package that installs modem-manager, again, aptitude search and apt-file search are not returning anything. |
| 05:13.07 | gnarface | joe6: try: dpkg -S [pattern] |
| 05:13.33 | gnarface | joe6: that searches installed files |
| 05:13.38 | qxt | unkmar, to turn off that junk just do this : sudo gedit /etc/default/avahi-daemon |
| 05:13.43 | joe6 | gnarface, thanks, that helped. is dpkg -S > apt-file search or aptitude search |
| 05:14.09 | qxt | Change the line: AVAHI_DAEMON_START = 1 |
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| 05:14.22 | gnarface | joe6: its just a lower level utility. its not a network utility like those |
| 05:14.25 | joe6 | why not just get rid of the package? |
| 05:14.36 | joe6 | oh, ok. |
| 05:14.38 | qxt | to: AVAHI_DAEMON_START = 0 |
| 05:15.10 | gnarface | joe6: one argument for disabling it like qxt stuggests instead of uninstalling it is that some other package may re-install it anyway |
| 05:15.21 | joe6 | makes sense. |
| 05:15.36 | joe6 | what about uml_switch? any use? |
| 05:15.49 | gnarface | joe6: no idea what that is |
| 05:16.30 | qxt | joe6 do you really need micro DNS. |
| 05:16.56 | joe6 | nope. |
| 05:17.53 | joe6 | ├─polkitd,1593, is this necessary? |
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| 05:18.59 | qxt | anyway I got to get to sleep. Take care guys |
| 05:19.02 | qxt | all the best |
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| 05:26.18 | joe6 | gnarface, what about console-kit-dae? |
| 05:26.26 | joe6 | gnarface, is it necessary? |
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| 05:26.41 | joe6 | gnarface, do you have rsyslogd? |
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| 05:27.24 | wols | yes syslog is necessary |
| 05:28.23 | joe6 | wols, thanks. |
| 05:28.30 | joe6 | what about console-kit-dae? |
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| 05:29.05 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 05:32.53 | gnarface | joe6: i'm curious about that one myself. i am running it |
| 05:33.22 | joe6 | seems to be useless to the daily tasks from the manpage, but not sure though. |
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| 05:33.41 | joe6 | it has 64 processes attached to it. |
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| 05:34.45 | joe6 | pulseaudio: requires consolekit |
| 05:34.54 | joe6 | supposedly. |
| 05:35.12 | grendal-prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.13 | grendal-prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.43 | joe6 | interesting, how do you find the gateway? |
| 05:35.49 | joe6 | dns server? |
| 05:35.56 | wols | man route |
| 05:35.57 | joe6 | dhcp server, I meant. |
| 05:36.21 | wols | grendal-prime: this can never work |
| 05:36.59 | grendal-prime | ? hu? worms do it all the time |
| 05:37.14 | grendal-prime | by the way this is not for malware of any kind |
| 05:37.27 | wols | it still cannot work in a generalized way. cannot |
| 05:37.28 | grendal-prime | i want it to make settingup an appliance much easyer |
| 05:37.46 | wols | what you want is done by dhcp already. anything else is too specific for a certain site |
| 05:37.58 | grendal-prime | soooooo.....say i was said computer...and ..you plug me in...and... |
| 05:38.08 | grendal-prime | i try dhcp...and it doesnt work |
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| 05:38.35 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 05:38.35 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 05:39.11 | grendal-prime | soooo..i start at the beginning of "typical" internal networks..like say...10.x.x.x.x and run through the list with a ping sweepl |
| 05:39.23 | wols | DHCP was invented for just that what you ask for. fix your probelms onsite which it has |
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| 05:39.31 | grendal-prime | then go to the 192.x.x.x networks... |
| 05:40.09 | grendal-prime | i know that...but hell im thinking..this one dork out there..will bee like...Nope. We dont trust that stuff. |
| 05:40.25 | grendal-prime | probably in the carolinas... |
| 05:40.33 | grendal-prime | umm are you in the carolinas? |
| 05:40.34 | wols | so you want to reinvent dhcp in a shitty way and kill your network at the time when you do your "scanning"? |
| 05:40.48 | grendal-prime | are you seriouse? |
| 05:40.49 | wols | a network where two machines have the same IP is a very broken network indeed |
| 05:41.01 | wols | yes I am serious |
| 05:41.32 | grendal-prime | why not start at mac layer first |
| 05:41.45 | grendal-prime | then nothing is broken |
| 05:41.54 | wols | what is the advantage of you reinventing dhcp in a bad way? |
| 05:42.10 | wols | and how is this related to debian support? |
| 05:45.22 | grendal-prime | allot of our customers install our equipment in environments that do not have dhcp |
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| 05:46.31 | grendal-prime | trust me when i say i would not ask if there was somethign out there that does this effectively if i had not wound up in a situation with the customer had racked the appliance pluged it in and it not been reachable. |
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| 05:47.03 | grendal-prime | they have to be given access passwords to reconfig the networksettings..or..we send a field engineer. wich is expensive |
| 05:47.16 | wols | !ot |
| 05:47.17 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 05:47.54 | grendal-prime | no its not. I remember debian takeover.. |
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| 05:48.17 | grendal-prime | i thought maybe it had an...aggressive setting. |
| 05:48.25 | grendal-prime | :-) |
| 05:49.06 | wols | debtakeover is a program to replace a foreign linux distro with debian on the fly. nothing network related |
| 05:49.23 | grendal-prime | hmmm |
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| 05:57.38 | white_magic | how can i make a soft link (shortcut) to a wine-installed windows executable? |
| 05:57.50 | white_magic | i know i could write a very short and simple bash script, but it still seems excessive |
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| 05:59.36 | somiaj | white_magic: I'd suggest teh bash script, I put all mine in $HOME/bin and add that to my path |
| 05:59.41 | white_magic | awww |
| 05:59.50 | white_magic | again, linux making things needless complicated |
| 05:59.55 | white_magic | *needlessly |
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| 06:00.44 | white_magic | i will do your suggested approach, though, i guess |
| 06:00.45 | white_magic | iirc, PlayOnLinux (wine frontend) would make sleek shortcuts for you. but i'll stick to vanilla wine & debian for now |
| 06:00.45 | somiaj | well what kind of link are you wanting? Something you can click on to run the program? |
| 06:00.45 | somiaj | I mean yea you can make a link, not sure if not running the file from its expected location to wine would cause issues with the program. It may depend on the program. |
| 06:01.12 | white_magic | well its just a shortcut that needs to say 'wine /path/to/exe' |
| 06:01.16 | white_magic | but im not sure how to specify that |
| 06:01.21 | somiaj | the shortcuts are probably just the command attached to a menu/button. Depending on your WM you can do that to. |
| 06:01.25 | chjj | white_magic: you could use a .desktop file |
| 06:01.31 | white_magic | what's that? |
| 06:01.43 | white_magic | wait.. i think i can just create a 'launcher' |
| 06:01.52 | somiaj | white_magic: if you are adding a button/menu entry yes you can add those, which are different than links, which are different than scripts |
| 06:01.56 | white_magic | which apparently may not be the exact equivalent of 'ln -s' |
| 06:02.05 | chjj | its used by most freedesktop compliant menus, its essentially a shortcut |
| 06:02.06 | somiaj | I just like scripts because I can run them from a terminal just as easily as a button or menu entry. |
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| 06:02.15 | white_magic | somiaj: the menu entries would be very nice, but i'm looking for a shortcut atm |
| 06:02.22 | white_magic | somiaj: good point |
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| 06:02.51 | somiaj | white_magic: That would depend on your window manager / DE and I'm unsure how to add desktop short cuts to gnome (the default but you could use one of many) |
| 06:02.52 | white_magic | somiaj: so if you have a bash script that runs the wine exe (pointed to by a shortcut) and you run the script name in terminal from anywhere, it would recognize it? |
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| 06:03.02 | rgr | is there a onle liner for ntp/autodate sync for debian squeeze please? |
| 06:03.05 | chjj | white_magic: you probably already have some .desktop files you could look at as an example, in /usr/share/applications i think |
| 06:03.06 | somiaj | white_magic: provided you put it in your $PATH |
| 06:03.09 | white_magic | ohhh |
| 06:03.14 | white_magic | yea ok, so its much like windows |
| 06:03.33 | white_magic | chjj: will think about .desktop later, i like the bash approach |
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| 06:03.51 | somiaj | white_magic: again that is why I add $HOME/bin to the first entry on my path, to pick up all the little launcher scripts I write. (I then run those launcher scripts from either the command line or a short cut) |
| 06:04.06 | chjj | yeah, thats a good idea ^ i do that too |
| 06:04.17 | chjj | then i just drop small scripts in ~/bin |
| 06:04.31 | somiaj | white_magic: also makes it easy to change the launcher for anything its attached to |
| 06:04.53 | white_magic | yea |
| 06:05.15 | somiaj | white_magic: you can achive what you want in many ways, (: |
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| 06:05.30 | white_magic | that's the beauty of linux |
| 06:05.33 | white_magic | or it's weakness |
| 06:05.36 | white_magic | depends how you look at it |
| 06:07.24 | white_magic | alright thanks for the input everyone, i'm out |
| 06:09.55 | boudiccas | rgr; sorry? i dont understand your question? |
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| 06:11.10 | rgr | a one liner. a bot response. faq. |
| 06:11.12 | chriswaterguy | Hi - I'm trying to get a USB headset working. I had it working a couple of weeks back, but now it's not being recognized. I'm running Openbox, and I've uninstalled pulseaudio (just using alsa - that's how I got it working before). Any tips, things to check? |
| 06:11.52 | boudiccas | rgr; have you installed ntp? that handles the time getting and setting for you |
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| 06:12.15 | rgr | I recall debian being different. hence the q about the one liner. |
| 06:12.39 | rgr | maybe I recall wrongly |
| 06:12.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | what was the question? |
| 06:13.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | !wayttd? |
| 06:13.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 06:13.21 | boudiccas | rgr; ntp works very well on this squeeze box |
| 06:13.26 | rgr | I just asked if there is a canned response about ntpd setup. |
| 06:13.39 | rgr | how does one query the bot here? |
| 06:13.46 | rgr | ,dpkg ntp |
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| 06:14.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | with ! |
| 06:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ntp |
| 06:14.40 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 06:14.50 | chriswaterguy | Ok, got my sound working with Skype via settings... not sure why it isn't automatic. |
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| 06:15.37 | rgr | thanks |
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| 06:15.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 06:26.15 | drith | In wheezy adobe flash uses great amount of CPU time. Any suggestions how this can be fixed? |
| 06:26.43 | Dewi | drith: that's just flash |
| 06:26.47 | drith | Even in simple youtube video the CPU is at 80% |
| 06:27.06 | drith | With squeeze the case was different! |
| 06:27.28 | Tobias| | How can I log into my server without its bash_rc script running? |
| 06:27.34 | Tobias| | or, without my account's bash_rc script running |
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| 06:32.00 | drith | It's not debian it's firefox issue. With firefox nightly adobe flash uses 33% CPU on the same video. |
| 06:32.13 | drith | Not so surprising... |
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| 06:34.49 | Blue1 | drith: yeah no surprise -- why I installed chrome - plus no 64 bit ff goodness |
| 06:35.41 | drith | Blue1, i am just not chrome person :) but will test it. |
| 06:35.53 | Tobias| | I'm using 64-bit Fx, Blue1 |
| 06:36.16 | Blue1 | Tobias|: where did you get that? I couldn't find it on the mozilla website |
| 06:36.18 | nvz | only issue I have with chrome is the inability to get a chromeless window when I popout hulu player |
| 06:36.50 | nvz | imagine that, no chromless window in chrome.. |
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| 06:37.59 | Tobias| | Blue1: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/ -- although, I actively use the nightly (Fx 9) which is available here (and advertises the 64-bit links) https://nightly.mozilla.org/ |
| 06:39.03 | Blue1 | Tobias|: i have ff 8 beta here (64 bit works fairly well) |
| 06:39.28 | Blue1 | Tobias|: thanks d00d |
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| 06:47.24 | Tobias| | ssh tobias@192.168.1.9 'rm -rf /home/tobias/.bashrc' shows /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory for me |
| 06:47.33 | Tobias| | I imagine because I've broken my bashrc script chronically |
| 06:47.42 | Tobias| | Anybody know how I can solve this? |
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| 06:48.09 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 06:48.18 | n-iCe | cd /home/tobias/ |
| 06:48.30 | Tobias| | I can't SSH to the server |
| 06:48.39 | n-iCe | oh |
| 06:48.50 | n-iCe | that's the error trying to ssh? |
| 06:48.52 | Tobias| | Any ssh connection shows '/usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory' |
| 06:49.08 | n-iCe | ok, who's that box |
| 06:49.14 | Tobias| | Who? |
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| 06:49.29 | n-iCe | is yours? |
| 06:49.35 | Tobias| | Yes |
| 06:49.45 | n-iCe | you have physical contact to it? |
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| 06:50.13 | Tobias| | Using a standard terminal has the same issue |
| 06:50.25 | Tobias| | Log in, "/usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory" |
| 06:50.30 | Blue1 | Tobias|: obvious thing - can you ping the computer? |
| 06:50.36 | n-iCe | even root? |
| 06:51.12 | Tobias| | aha |
| 06:51.17 | Tobias| | n-iCe: Nice solution |
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| 06:51.30 | Tobias| | I blocked root from SSH, but not from tty access :) |
| 06:51.33 | Tobias| | Login worked fine for that |
| 06:51.40 | Blue1 | woo hoo |
| 06:51.45 | n-iCe | great |
| 06:51.58 | n-iCe | 2am I think I need to sleep |
| 06:52.03 | Blue1 | specialises in foot shooting 101 |
| 06:52.08 | n-iCe | watched the two and a half men 9season 1episode :D |
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| 06:52.21 | Blue1 | n-iCe: any good? |
| 06:52.29 | Blue1 | that was with aston kutcher? |
| 06:52.35 | Blue1 | ashton even |
| 06:52.57 | ayambit | In some other unix-likes if I'm for example copying large file I can tap ctrl+t and get status, namely how much is done. Can I do this in linux? |
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| 06:54.30 | n-iCe | Blue1: yes |
| 06:55.04 | n-iCe | ayambit: yes |
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| 06:56.10 | n-iCe | ayambit: oh wait, maybe I did not understand the question, let me re-read |
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| 06:57.38 | nvz | ayambit: use something like rsync if you want progress on copies |
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| 07:04.08 | ayambit | It looks like this: DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] CTRL+T |
| 07:04.10 | ayambit | load: 0.23 cmd: dump 99238 [runnable] 0.02u 0.03s 0% 1756k |
| 07:04.11 | ayambit | DUMP: 0.16% done, finished in 5:08 at Tue Sep 20 16:01:47 2011 |
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| 07:04.28 | ayambit | So, any program can be polled at any time. |
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| 07:06.12 | nvz | great, well ctrl+t doesnt do crap in linux, get over it.. heh |
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| 07:09.13 | nvz | well actually it opens a new tab in many apps |
| 07:09.23 | Deltafoss | is there limits to the number of users i can have on a debian system |
| 07:09.51 | Deltafoss | With the adduser program (say) |
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| 07:11.58 | nvz | Deltafoss: 28,999 |
| 07:12.49 | nvz | Deltafoss: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-users.html |
| 07:13.30 | Deltafoss | nvz: for a server hosting for example. Is that what the existing hosting conpany do? create users on the fly? |
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| 07:14.54 | nvz | Deltafoss: uh that depends entirely on what you mean by server hosting.. many servers create virtual machines which is effectively a whole seperate OS, and other types of servers don't need a real user account at all they use logical constructs of that particular protocol or application |
| 07:15.54 | Deltafoss | Wow, thanks. I'll do some digging |
| 07:16.01 | nvz | if you've reached more than 28,999 users on a single machine you've done something wrong |
| 07:16.25 | Deltafoss | Lol |
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| 07:17.53 | Deltafoss | Is it possible to create a virtual user so they can ssh into the server? |
| 07:17.55 | nvz | Deltafoss: simplest example would be running debootstrap on a directory and running a server inside a chroot, that server effectively has its own etc/passwd etc/shadow and such, so none of the users outside that chroot matter in the context of that server |
| 07:18.36 | nvz | Deltafoss: not that I'm aware of, ssh requires an active user account. |
| 07:18.54 | nvz | it does not require the user have a shell, but its very limited in its use if not |
| 07:19.16 | Deltafoss | ok, that's why i asked of the limit in the first place |
| 07:19.23 | Bushmills | Deltafoss: adduser virtual |
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| 07:20.07 | nvz | heh |
| 07:20.18 | nvz | now thats just misleading |
| 07:20.28 | Deltafoss | Lol! i mean not directly adding user to /etc/passwd |
| 07:20.47 | ansgar | nvz: Users in a chroot are the same users outside even when you give them another name in /etc/passwd. |
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| 07:21.58 | nvz | ansgar: as far as the kernel and filesystem are concerned.. |
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| 07:22.30 | nvz | however a server running in a chroot /srv/chroot/ isn't going to allow a user with the uid 1000 to login using nvz and my password |
| 07:23.19 | Deltafoss | Sure |
| 07:23.21 | ansgar | It will however allow users to kill outside processes and similar things. |
| 07:24.18 | ansgar | There's at least one limit for users: uid_t is 32bit, so you can have at most ~2^32 users. |
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| 07:25.13 | nvz | well there is a logical limit in that debian has outlined the use of uids as well.. as I pointed out.. 1000-29999 |
| 07:25.19 | Deltafoss | I'll like the users to have an ssh access but what i dont want them to do is to be able to have access to my shadow files. Can i obscure the root directory and jail them to thier home directory |
| 07:25.38 | nvz | you can't just use any number between 0-65534 without consequence |
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| 07:26.20 | nvz | Deltafoss: you can run ssh in a chroot, yes |
| 07:26.35 | ansgar | Well, you can just user all uids > 66000... Not much of a difference. |
| 07:26.52 | me-1 | hi...where can i download Debian iso with LXDE |
| 07:27.23 | ansgar | s,user,use, |
| 07:27.53 | ansgar | Deltafoss: They won't have access to /etc/shadow anyway. |
| 07:27.56 | Deltafoss | nvz: i could just jail all users to chroot. That's intresting |
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| 07:28.41 | ansgar | Any if they get local root, the chroot doesn't matter. |
| 07:28.42 | nvz | me-1: just use the netinst or choose the xfce+lxde image |
| 07:29.12 | Deltafoss | I'll experiment that on my localhost |
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| 07:30.15 | me-1 | nvz, I need iso image if you could tell |
| 07:30.30 | nvz | me-1: offline install? |
| 07:30.40 | me-1 | nvz, yes |
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| 07:30.51 | nvz | me-1: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 07:31.24 | Deltafoss | Another challenge is restricting users from accessing other user's directory. maybe i should delete the cd command..lol |
| 07:31.24 | me-1 | nvz, is that an official image..? |
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| 07:32.03 | nvz | me-1: no, cdimage.debian.org is a backdoor to the pirate bay.. of course its an official image |
| 07:32.13 | Bushmills | Deltafoss: what purpose would that virtual user account have, if your goal is to prevent logins/accessing server file system anyway? |
| 07:32.59 | me-1 | nvz, :) thank you . i thought it might be created by some user |
| 07:33.12 | Deltafoss | giving user the power to ssh without having such previllage |
| 07:33.28 | Bushmills | what privilege? |
| 07:33.36 | Deltafoss | As accessing each others homedir |
| 07:33.49 | ansgar | Deltafoss: There is such a thing as filesystem permissions... |
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| 07:34.09 | nvz | me-1: na, debian has been making cd1 in various flavors for this reason.. currently there are 4 complete desktop environments, gnome is on the vanilla cd1 iso, then there are separate images for KDE or for xfce+lxde |
| 07:34.12 | Deltafoss | users should be limited to their home directory and beyond. Not backward |
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| 07:35.17 | nvz | Deltafoss: thats what chroot is for, but the file permissions keep users from screwing up the system.. |
| 07:35.25 | babilen | Deltafoss: Restricted SSH access might be what you are looking for. See "/msg dpkg scponly" for details. |
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| 07:36.00 | me-1 | nvz, what do you mean by xfce+lxde 2in1..? |
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| 07:36.35 | nvz | me-1: well lxde and xfce are both cosiderably smaller in file size than KDE or GNOME so they are both on one disc |
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| 07:37.25 | nvz | me-1: the idea is that regardless of which DE you prefer you should only need the first ISO to get a basic system installed |
| 07:37.26 | me-1 | nvz, got it . Thank you for the info . I really appriciate your help |
| 07:37.27 | Deltafoss | That's helpful guys, thanks. SSH is our guy. Let me consult the oracle |
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| 07:49.15 | E-bola | Hello |
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| 07:49.34 | E-bola | Can debian bond/team two nic teams together? |
| 07:49.44 | E-bola | So make a team out of two other teams basically |
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| 07:52.11 | cheater | hi i am having a problem connecting two computers with ethernet |
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| 07:53.03 | cheater | it used to work just an hour ago, now it doesn't. it is a laptop and a desktop trying to connect to it (laptop should be a router). running mii-tool on the desktop shows all eth interfaces have links down |
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| 07:53.45 | cheater | on the laptop, though, something more involved is happening. mii-tool is showing errors. |
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| 07:54.34 | streuner | cheater: cat /proc/version |
| 07:54.48 | wols | !tell cheater about errors |
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| 07:55.11 | cheater | it shows "invalid argument" for eth0, "operation not supported" for eth1, and "no such device" for eth2 |
| 07:55.15 | cheater | sorry i was typing |
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| 07:55.27 | cheater | the weird thing is this laptop only has one ethernet port, and ifconfig only shows eth1. |
| 07:56.18 | streuner | cheater: cat /proc/version |
| 07:56.41 | cheater | however the gnome network manager nm-applet - which is what i am using to set up the internet connection sharing (and it worked before) only shows eth0 and eth2. |
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| 07:57.24 | cheater | something weird is going on. how can i debug this? |
| 07:57.34 | MaXim_ | you guys reckon debian will fit on a 4.3GB hdd? |
| 07:57.43 | streuner | How about to answer our questions? |
| 07:57.54 | cheater | why do you need the version? |
| 07:58.12 | cheater | Linux version 2.6.38-11-generic |
| 07:58.14 | cheater | here you go |
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| 07:58.20 | streuner | MaXim_: sure, usually it depends, but 4 GB should be enough |
| 07:58.43 | streuner | cheater: thats not the whole output |
| 07:59.17 | cheater | have you tried asking your question under #bridge? |
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| 07:59.44 | E-bola | MaXim_: yep depending on what u install ofcourse |
| 07:59.47 | streuner | *PLONK* |
| 08:00.02 | MaXim_ | how much would the base system alone take up |
| 08:00.09 | MaXim_ | i only plan to install X and something light like window maker |
| 08:00.33 | nvz | MaXim_: typically the whole gnome install only takes up about that much actually |
| 08:00.43 | nvz | MaXim_: its probably the ram thats gonna limit you, not the HDD |
| 08:00.55 | MaXim_ | i wouldn't even use gnome on my modern machines |
| 08:00.59 | MaXim_ | let alone an old pc like this :P |
| 08:01.00 | nvz | heh |
| 08:01.26 | wols | MaXim_: few hundred MB 200-300 I guess. and I ran such a system with p2 233 and 128MB and windowmaker. even ffox ran but rendering was noticeably slow and javascript was out of the question. vlc ran videos (SD) fine too |
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| 08:01.39 | nvz | yeah well I'm just saying.. gnome desktop system install usually only weighs in around 4gb.. so.. you can def manage a minimal install |
| 08:01.48 | cheater | how would i reload the driver for my network card? |
| 08:01.53 | MaXim_ | i can run firefox comfortable on windows 98 |
| 08:01.55 | MaXim_ | slow of course |
| 08:01.57 | cheater | is it possible at runtime? |
| 08:02.05 | nvz | cheater: rmmod, modprobe |
| 08:02.21 | MaXim_ | right now got netscape and xmms in RH 6.2 with gnome 1.0 and its dipping into the swap memory :P |
| 08:02.22 | wols | cheater: #ubuntu |
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| 08:04.05 | MaXim_ | lately found out some guys forked window maker and kept maintaining it |
| 08:04.08 | MaXim_ | good stuff |
| 08:04.21 | tuv | openbox ftw |
| 08:04.26 | cheater | wols, if i type #ubuntu into the bash prompt i get no output, do i need to install something? |
| 08:04.33 | cheater | nvz, thanks |
| 08:04.38 | MaXim_ | might get away with awesome or xmonad |
| 08:04.47 | MaXim_ | but even awesome is chunky with its lua runtime |
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| 08:05.10 | tuv | xmonad pulls it a lot of ghc shit |
| 08:05.12 | babilen | MaXim_: If you find that clunky, you might like dwm |
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| 08:05.26 | babilen | tuv: Haskell is a good language to know :) |
| 08:05.37 | MaXim_ | ill try awesome first |
| 08:05.42 | nvz | I was just about to say, lets not bash Haskell now.. |
| 08:06.14 | tuv | i wasn't. i was critisizing the install size, for a minimalist package |
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| 08:06.42 | tuv | and each time you refresh your config, you run the compiler |
| 08:06.54 | nvz | Sawfish is still my fav.. though a bit lispy.. heh |
| 08:07.24 | MaXim_ | damn |
| 08:07.25 | MaXim_ | this thing has xchat |
| 08:07.27 | nvz | nothing a bag of parenthesis and some anti-psychotics cant fix |
| 08:07.44 | tuv | i used wmii for a while. a flexible version of dwm |
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| 08:08.25 | MaXim_ | i wonder if my voodoo2 will work |
| 08:08.35 | MaXim_ | well 2x voodoo2s |
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| 08:08.50 | streuner | MaXim_: VESA, if you dont need 3d... |
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| 08:09.14 | MaXim_ | i dont think vesa will work on a card that doesnt even have a video bios :P |
| 08:09.22 | streuner | heh |
| 08:09.26 | MaXim_ | or a 2D graphics engine for that matter |
| 08:10.00 | streuner | get a cheap videocard then :-) |
| 08:10.10 | MaXim_ | i have an s3 virge 4MB for 2D |
| 08:10.14 | wols | MaXim_: everything from vga onwards had a video bios. ega too |
| 08:10.27 | MaXim_ | voodoo2s dont support 2d graphics at all |
| 08:10.32 | wols | ah voodoo2. not videocard |
| 08:10.40 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:10.42 | wols | *not a |
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| 08:10.53 | MaXim_ | but i was more interested in getting 3d to run on it |
| 08:10.56 | cheater | ok, i have reloaded the kernel driver, let's see if that helps |
| 08:11.05 | MaXim_ | i wonder if they still include the 3dfx driver in the kernel |
| 08:11.09 | tuv | wmii was my de of choice for vnc sessions. then i discovered openbox |
| 08:11.30 | wols | MaXim_: /boot/config knows |
| 08:11.46 | wols | and 3D works with tdfx afaik |
| 08:12.18 | MaXim_ | hmm |
| 08:12.26 | MaXim_ | might be able to use 3dfx as framebuffer deive |
| 08:12.28 | MaXim_ | nonetheless |
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| 08:13.16 | MaXim_ | now to decide, do i want to live my nostalgic life on linux 2.2 or do i want to explore the latest and greatest on anient hardware |
| 08:13.48 | tuv | sounds like you can afford to try both |
| 08:14.17 | MaXim_ | well i already have red hat 6.2 |
| 08:14.22 | MaXim_ | but its getting boring now |
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| 08:17.50 | cheater | ok, after reloading the kernel driver for my network card with rmmod and modprobe -a i can now probe it with mii-tool and mii-tool says "no link". what can i do now? |
| 08:18.06 | jiltdil | how to upgrade debian 6.0.1 to 6.0.2 |
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| 08:18.09 | cheater | i tried the same on the other side, of course. |
| 08:18.42 | streuner | jiltdil: /msg dpkg security |
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| 08:20.26 | jiltdil | streuner:thanks |
| 08:21.46 | wols | cheater: you go to #ubuntu and ask them why natty doesn't work. good day |
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| 08:23.45 | cheater | this laptop will drive me natty, you are right with that |
| 08:23.57 | cheater | but i think the laptop itself is already loco |
| 08:24.33 | MrMind | if I install debian on a laptop without gui and it will just act like a server, should I then install the laptop package in software selection? |
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| 08:24.58 | cheater | sounds like the right thing to do |
| 08:25.25 | babilen | cheater: As you are using Ubuntu you will find support in the #ubuntu channel and *not* in #debian -- Please join that channel (/join #ubuntu) and ask them. Thank you. |
| 08:26.06 | MrMind | cheater: yep, i think so to but I'm not sure |
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| 08:27.27 | somiaj | MrMind: I'd look to see what the laptop task really installs, might mostly be stuff you don't need and you can just indivudially install the stuff you do. |
| 08:27.27 | babilen | MrMind: The laptop task installs a couple of laptop related packages (apt-cache show task-laptop) -- I would install it, but you can also hand-select the ones you want. |
| 08:27.32 | somiaj | MrMind: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22laptop.22_task -- most of it seems useful. Though I'm not a big fan of avahi and don't use bluetooth |
| 08:27.49 | cheater | babilu: you are welcome but i am not using Ubuntu GNU/Linux, thanks! |
| 08:28.03 | babilen | I second somiaj's sentiment on avahi :) |
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| 08:29.10 | MrMind | okej, thanks guys! |
| 08:29.35 | cheater | sorry that was for babilen |
| 08:29.45 | babilen | cheater: Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy", "cat /etc/debian_version" and "uname -a" to http://paste.debian.net -- The output of "lsmod", "lspci -knn|grep -i -A2 ethernet" and "ifconfig -a" would also be of interest. |
| 08:30.35 | cheater | i would have to type-over all that stuff from apt-cache policy, is this really necessary? |
| 08:30.42 | cheater | i can't get the affected machines on a network. |
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| 08:31.04 | cheater | let's stop being silly, alright? |
| 08:31.06 | wols | babilen: he runs ubuntu |
| 08:31.19 | cheater | i am? that is very good to know |
| 08:31.26 | wols | < streuner> cheater: cat /proc/version < cheater> Linux version 2.6.38-11-generic |
| 08:32.10 | babilen | ack |
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| 08:32.22 | StucKman | when I do «locale -a», where does it take the info from? or, put in another way, what do I configure so another locale appears in the list resulting from that command? |
| 08:32.31 | wols | cheater: you constantly lie about that trying to get help from us. you should be banned |
| 08:32.45 | wols | !tell StucKman about locales |
| 08:32.53 | somiaj | StucKman: dpkg-reconfigure locales (it should allow you to generate any locales you want and set the default one) |
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| 08:33.09 | cheater | so you /whoised me and saw ubuntu in the ident and immediately thought the computer this irc client is running on is the one i am having problems with |
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| 08:33.13 | StucKman | wols: tx |
| 08:33.22 | cheater | even though it was repeatedly said that the machines in question cannot connect to the internet |
| 08:33.37 | cheater | i can see where you went wrong there |
| 08:33.47 | cheater | however, i think you have outsmarted even yourself |
| 08:33.47 | MaXim_ | lunix schmunix |
| 08:33.47 | StucKman | somiaj: and in an automatic way? like, a post-installation script? |
| 08:33.49 | MaXim_ | same stuff |
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| 08:34.04 | cheater | have you tried being a bit more helpful and friendly, wols? |
| 08:34.08 | cheater | that does not hurt at all |
| 08:34.14 | somiaj | StucKman: what do you mean automatic? dpkg-reconfigure locales just asks you two questiosn and does the rest. |
| 08:34.21 | wols | cheater: do you have a DEBIAN support question? |
| 08:34.26 | StucKman | somiaj: as in unatended |
| 08:34.31 | cheater | yes, my internet does not work. help! |
| 08:34.48 | somiaj | cheater: dmesg -- are you missing the firmware package for your wireless? |
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| 08:35.15 | cheater | somiaj, this is not wireless, the two computers cannot connect via ethernet to eachother and to the rest of the world |
| 08:35.29 | somiaj | some wired cards still need firmware |
| 08:35.38 | cheater | the kernel modules are loaded |
| 08:35.42 | somiaj | from the non-free repos |
| 08:35.45 | cheater | mii-tools just shows the links are down |
| 08:35.49 | StucKman | cheater: dmesg says anything about link going up and/or down? |
| 08:35.52 | wols | cheater: please do what babilen told you. and not having internet is no hindrance: there are usb stick. |
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| 08:36.07 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 08:36.54 | StucKman | wols: what kind of answer is that? if you´re pissed because of cheater, just ignore him |
| 08:37.14 | babilen | cheater: You can use the script tool to create a comprehensive log of your terminal session in a single file, which you can easily copy to a different host with internet connection. Please read "man script" and make sure that you have bsdutils installed. |
| 08:37.16 | wols | StucKman: he runs ubuntu but doesn't want to admit it, that's all. you don't know what happened before |
| 08:37.37 | Nebukadneza | i'm having some problems with gcc/g++ (4.4.5-1) on my stable box. I'm trying to build a package (rtorrent) via dpkg-buildpackage - i'm getting that the c++ compiler doesn't work, if i look into config.log it seems that crt1.o cannot be found :/ |
| 08:37.50 | wols | StucKman: and if he has to show us extensive logs, he knows he will be found out which of course he doesn't want |
| 08:37.50 | StucKman | somiaj: dpkg-reconfigure locales is not asking anything, not even with -p low |
| 08:37.53 | MaXim_ | is using debian such a crime? |
| 08:37.55 | MaXim_ | er |
| 08:37.58 | MaXim_ | ubuntu |
| 08:38.00 | somiaj | StucKman: are you running ubuntu? |
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| 08:38.09 | StucKman | somiaj: oh no |
| 08:38.13 | wols | MaXim_: asing for ubuntu help in hereand lying in here is |
| 08:38.16 | babilen | MaXim_: No it is not, but Ubuntu is also not supported in here. |
| 08:38.18 | StucKman | I mean, yes, I do :( |
| 08:38.19 | Nebukadneza | the file itself resides in "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o" - i somehow don't know what to check next ;/ |
| 08:38.22 | StucKman | sorry for that |
| 08:38.28 | StucKman | :| |
| 08:38.41 | StucKman | wols: I see |
| 08:38.47 | MaXim_ | i guess if there's enough hard evidence that he is not lying i suppose |
| 08:38.53 | somiaj | StucKman: one of the thigns that always annoyed me about locales on ubuntu was not being able to configure the package. They do things differntaly. |
| 08:39.04 | f[x] | hello, is it possible to specify mkfs options in preseed file when formatting root partition? |
| 08:39.05 | cheater | somiaj, when i do ifconfig eth0 up i dmesg shows [timestamp] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP); eth0: lin kis not ready |
| 08:39.14 | StucKman | ok, #ubuntu it its. wish me luck |
| 08:39.15 | cheater | sorry typo that should be a colon there. same difference. |
| 08:39.16 | f[x] | I can't seem to find any mentions in partman-auto docs |
| 08:39.38 | cheater | StucKman, that was for you as well :) |
| 08:39.42 | wols | streuner: please stop |
| 08:40.00 | babilen | wols, cheater, MaXim_: I told cheater what information we need and how to get it. I am happy with supporting him/her and hope that cheater would stop asking in here if he/she were indeed running Ubuntu. |
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| 08:40.17 | MaXim_ | hey i'm not a part of this :P |
| 08:40.24 | MaXim_ | im just another user |
| 08:40.36 | MaXim_ | but i'll help if i feel like it |
| 08:40.41 | Nebukadneza | noone? ;/ |
| 08:40.52 | babilen | MaXim_: You just made a remark, ignore my remark fwiw |
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| 08:41.16 | MaXim_ | Nebukadneza: is is amd64? |
| 08:41.17 | cheater | right, i get no help because i am ircing from a computer that is not debian |
| 08:41.18 | wols | Nebukadneza: what is the exact error? |
| 08:41.22 | Nebukadneza | MaXim_: nop |
| 08:41.24 | cheater | what an amazing way to go |
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| 08:41.44 | cheater | you guys should truly be hired by every tech support company on the planet |
| 08:41.47 | Nebukadneza | ""/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory"" |
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| 08:42.21 | babilen | Nebukadneza: My first gut feeling is that gcc is not installed correctly installed or that some of the dependencies are missing. Make sure you have the build-essential package installed as well as the build dependencies of rtorrent. (aptitude build-dep rtorrent) and show us the output of the build run. |
| 08:42.31 | MaXim_ | Nebukadneza: what happens if you type export LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 08:42.46 | wols | Nebukadneza: does the rtorrent package from stable have the same error when you try to buildpackage it? |
| 08:43.06 | Nebukadneza | MaXim_: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is empty? |
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| 08:43.11 | MaXim_ | ok |
| 08:43.13 | MaXim_ | just checking.. |
| 08:43.17 | Nebukadneza | wols: i'm trying the stable package (0.8.6) |
| 08:43.37 | Nebukadneza | babilen: mhhh, build-essentials is installed (i think correctly?) ... but i'm trying to aptitude reinstall that stuff, one sec |
| 08:43.43 | babilen | cheater: Please, I told you how to create a log of your terminal session in a single file (with script) and told you what information we need. Even if you were running Debian (which I assume to be true so far) we need that information. Please provide it and lets drop this meta-discussion. |
| 08:44.15 | wols | Nebukadneza: can you compile other things? crt1.o is normalled always linked to every executable |
| 08:44.27 | wols | simple hello world should suffice I think |
| 08:44.56 | Nebukadneza | one second |
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| 08:45.18 | Nebukadneza | nop |
| 08:45.24 | cheater | i cannot transfer files from those computers because they are not on the network. the only thing i could do is to save the log out, power down the computers, take out the hard disk, and put it in this computer. i am not going to take apart my laptop. if you want i can type in any output you want from it, but not kilobytes of text. |
| 08:45.30 | Nebukadneza | a simple return 0 program cannot be compiled by either - gcc and g++ |
| 08:45.56 | babilen | cheater: No removable media around? |
| 08:46.02 | wols | Nebukadneza: uninstall and purge all of gcc and reinstall? |
| 08:46.12 | cheater | i have some amiga floppies |
| 08:46.17 | cheater | however, i have no floppy disk drives. |
| 08:46.28 | Nebukadneza | trying |
| 08:46.49 | Nebukadneza | wheee, dependency hell |
| 08:47.04 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: ls /usr/lib/crt1.o -- is the file there? |
| 08:47.45 | Nebukadneza | nop, its in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ (which seems to have been some debian idea to move that stuff there) |
| 08:48.08 | Nebukadneza | sup, purged gcc* g++* and buildessential, now reinstall buildessentiakl |
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| 08:48.11 | wols | but which is the correct place afaik |
| 08:48.22 | Nebukadneza | depends on how gcc is configure afaik? |
| 08:48.22 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: yea seems to be a i386 only lib now that I look at it, its not on my amd64 machine. So you'll need to install some 32bit libs it seems. |
| 08:48.38 | Nebukadneza | this is a complete 32bit machine |
| 08:48.40 | wols | crt1.o is part of libc6-dev |
| 08:48.46 | wols | you should have removed that too |
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| 08:49.17 | Nebukadneza | oh, sorry, kay |
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| 08:50.10 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: you are running amd64? |
| 08:50.19 | Nebukadneza | somiaj: no |
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| 08:51.03 | babilen | cheater: Please organise a USB somewhere and come back -- It is very hard to provide support without seeing what is going on. Make sure that your device is correctly installed (firmware/module version) which you can check with the PCIID of the lspci command I gave you earlier. Reload the module (modprobe -r THE_MODULE ; modprobe THE_MODULE) and check the kernel ring buffer for interesting messages. (dmesg|tail -n 23) -- If all that worked, check ... |
| 08:51.09 | babilen | ... if the interface is seen (ifconfig -a) and bring it up. The way to do that depends on your configuration. If you use /etc/network/interfaces you would use "ifup THE_INTERFACE), but a more low-level approach would be "ifconfig THE_INTERFACE up" ... if you use dhcp you can use "dhclient -v THE_INTERFACE" to request your configuration via DHCP (second way of configuration) -- Show all that, and provide more details. You should also ... |
| 08:51.15 | babilen | ... paraphrase/summarise the output of the commands I gave you earlier. (cat /etc/debian_version should be easy for example) |
| 08:51.48 | Nebukadneza | ahaaaa |
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| 08:52.43 | Nebukadneza | wols: puring build-essential and libc6-dev (and all there was of gcc), then reinstalling build-essential *did* work |
| 08:52.50 | Nebukadneza | thank you SO much!~ |
| 08:53.26 | somiaj | seems there was a change, in squeeze the lib is located in /usr/lib, while in wheezy/sid its located in /usr/includ/<arch>-linux-gnu/ |
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| 08:53.48 | Nebukadneza | yeah, they recently changed it |
| 08:53.56 | Nebukadneza | mailing lists are full of complaints ;/ |
| 08:54.05 | somiaj | sorry /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
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| 08:55.03 | somiaj | so are you running testing then Nebukadneza? |
| 08:55.45 | Nebukadneza | no, only some packages pinned from testing, mainly stable |
| 08:55.59 | Nebukadneza | i think i've pinned some gcc somewhere in the past :/ |
| 08:56.14 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: that is the cause of all of your problems, you probabaly pulled in libc6 (a core dependency to almost everything) from testing and now have a broken install |
| 08:56.21 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: do not mix. |
| 08:56.25 | cheater | babilen: i have done all that (reloaded the kernels and did ifconfig up) and get the output from dmesg. getting a stupid usb stick is a whole-day effort and i cannot do this right now anyway (bus comes at 6 am and 7 pm) so maybe we can try to do it without the usb stick. /etc/debian_version says 6.0. sorry i had to go to the other pcs to get that info |
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| 08:56.31 | Nebukadneza | at least not like that, yes ;/ |
| 08:56.33 | Nebukadneza | lesson learned |
| 08:56.34 | wols | Nebukadneza: that is your problem and you broke your debian with that. libc6 (and libc6-dev) was from testing, while gcc frm stable. if you continute to pin you will have constant problems like this. use backports instead |
| 08:57.03 | cheater | sorry let me repaste the dmesg output: [timestamp] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP); eth0: link is not ready |
| 08:57.05 | wols | Nebukadneza: you never pinned gcc |
| 08:57.05 | Nebukadneza | yep, will do |
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| 08:57.58 | StucKman | cheater: either the cable is bad or one of the NICs |
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| 08:58.11 | cnz | what's the channel for wheezy support? |
| 08:58.32 | cheater | StucKman, i think the nic for the laptop is not working correctly |
| 08:58.36 | cheater | however, it worked before |
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| 09:00.07 | cheater | the cable did not just stop working on its own, i didn't touch it and besides it's only a meter long - no physical wear to it |
| 09:00.18 | cheater | in fact let me try another cable |
| 09:00.25 | cheater | but i do not think that is it |
| 09:00.29 | somiaj | cnz: you can ask here and make us wish more people would run testing, though check the /topic, the channel is on the offical debian irc network, irc.debian.org will link to it. |
| 09:00.36 | somiaj | cnz: arg more people would run stable. |
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| 09:01.14 | somiaj | cheater: does the lite on the router/switch light up saying you got a connenction? |
| 09:01.43 | cnz | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/NU7Xwwqc getting this error problem when trying to run apt-get upgrade |
| 09:01.52 | cheater | somiaj, there is no router, i am just trying to connect the laptop to the desktop directly |
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| 09:03.11 | somiaj | cnz: people who run testing are expected to know how to fix stuff like that. seems tomcat is the issue, I'd purge that package and then reinstall it. Also check the bts for possible bugs. |
| 09:03.26 | somiaj | cnz: well dno't purge, but remove (if you want to keep config files) |
| 09:03.40 | cnz | somiaj: yeah I don't know much about tomcat, im running tomcat for a friend otherwise it wouldn't be installed |
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| 09:04.40 | somiaj | cnz: I don't either, I just know you are getting tons of warnings, was tomcat installed via apt-get or another method |
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| 09:04.53 | cnz | another method |
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| 09:05.00 | cnz | I followed some guide |
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| 09:05.35 | cheater | nope, the cable wasn't it |
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| 09:05.52 | cheater | in fact i have connected a new, never before used cable and it did not fix things. |
| 09:05.57 | somiaj | cnz: well what ever you did inserv doesn't like -- I'd fix that, as for the apache2.2 issues, seems you may have to check the postinst script or the bug system to see why its exiting and fix it. |
| 09:06.01 | cnz | somiaj: http://kahimyang.info/kauswagan/HowtoBlogs.xhtml?b=384 is the guide I followed |
| 09:06.07 | cheater | miitool on the interfaces from both sides still says "link is not ready" |
| 09:06.33 | cheater | however, the cable i am using is not crossover. the interfaces in question should detect this automatically, however maybe that went wrong? |
| 09:06.37 | somiaj | cnz: I think those insserv are just warnings, the post install script exiting with error 1 you should track down, again this may already be known and in the bts system -- but it may also be due to the custom tomcat stuff you did. |
| 09:06.42 | cheater | normally they *do* work together but this time they do not |
| 09:07.03 | StucKman | cheater: are you sure either the laptop or the other machine can internally switch the port to crossed? |
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| 09:07.14 | cheater | yes it has worked before |
| 09:07.18 | StucKman | hmmm |
| 09:07.30 | cheater | is there an explicit command to either check it or set it? |
| 09:07.41 | StucKman | next step is to try with a hub or router |
| 09:07.54 | somiaj | cnz: testing + custom installing software usually means little help...google is your friend. |
| 09:08.20 | herkupus | cheater: i'd rather use ethtool, not mii-tool. btw, which ethernet chip is it? |
| 09:08.37 | cheater | oh wait |
| 09:08.40 | cheater | that is fucked up |
| 09:08.44 | cheater | it just started working |
| 09:08.48 | cheater | you know when? |
| 09:08.59 | cheater | i disconnected the mouse from usb on the laptop |
| 09:09.00 | wols | !tell cnz about lsb tags |
| 09:09.06 | cheater | the mouse is from microsoft |
| 09:09.09 | cheater | IT MAKES SENSE |
| 09:09.12 | herkupus | ... |
| 09:09.30 | cheater | seriously, though: maybe i also pressed down on the side of the laptop and something connected |
| 09:10.06 | cheater | let me go downstairs and try experimenting with this a bit because this is insane |
| 09:11.05 | cheater | ok, yes |
| 09:11.17 | cheater | wow... mouse is connected and the ethernet connection works |
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| 09:11.34 | cheater | i think probably something is not connecting on the laptop, probably a hairline crack in a trace or something like that |
| 09:11.53 | StucKman | cheater: I´m not sure if you can do anything with mii-tool |
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| 09:12.05 | cnz | somiaj: thanks, im just confused on where to start looking |
| 09:12.07 | cheater | StucKman, i "fixed" it |
| 09:12.14 | StucKman | cheater: I read :| |
| 09:12.28 | cheater | or at least: now i know i need to have the card fixed, replaced, or something like that |
| 09:12.46 | cheater | this is gonna take ages, getting dhl to come here is a chore |
| 09:12.49 | StucKman | cheater: check if the connectors are clean and aligned |
| 09:13.12 | cheater | will do thanks |
| 09:13.12 | cheater | this thing is probably a mini-pci card |
| 09:13.12 | somiaj | cnz: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.<foo> has the stuff you want |
| 09:13.44 | somiaj | cnz: you want the postinst script -- again its erroring out probabaly trying to do something either with setting a startup script. I think its your custom tomcat stuff getting in teh way. |
| 09:14.42 | cnz | would it be better to just remove tomcat |
| 09:14.45 | somiaj | cnz: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header -- probably the line, take wols factoid on lsb tags, fix that tomcat initscript |
| 09:14.55 | cheater | alright guys, well, thanks for the help, next time i'll be better prepared in case it's a software issue |
| 09:14.59 | somiaj | cnz: If you can undo what you did. I think its mostly the initscripts |
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| 09:15.33 | cheater | thanks a lot somiaj StucKman and babilen, have a nice day |
| 09:15.35 | cheater | cya |
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| 09:15.55 | cnz | somiaj: no startup script has been created for tomcat |
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| 09:16.58 | jiltdil | ifconfig command is not working in my newly install debian? please tel how to fix this |
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| 09:17.04 | somiaj | cnz: check rc.local (what you pasted me is giving you fairly clear errors, read them and try to figure out what is wrong) |
| 09:17.20 | cnz | somiaj: rc.local is blank |
| 09:17.21 | somiaj | jiltdil: ifconfig is located in /sbin, normal users do not have it in their $PATH |
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| 09:17.41 | jiltdil | somiaj: ok thanks i understood |
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| 09:17.43 | arvind_khadri | jiltdil, sudo ifconfig if you are in sudo group, else do it in root terminal |
| 09:18.06 | somiaj | you can /sbin/ifconfig -a (if all you want to do is check the status as a normal user) |
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| 09:19.32 | cnz | somiaj: yeah I don't know how to research this issue to resolve it so looks like im stuck at reinstall debian |
| 09:19.58 | somiaj | cnz: google gave me some hits, but yes running testing usually requires one to know how to fix things like this. :/ |
| 09:20.26 | jiltdil | What should i have to enter to make a user to use sudo in visudo |
| 09:20.27 | cnz | yeah, im not sure what to google for |
| 09:20.30 | somiaj | cnz: it appears to be the lsb tags and you have to fix what ever is yelling at them, do you have an /etc/init.d/tomcat? |
| 09:20.45 | somiaj | cnz: copy and paste errors is usually a good start, I got a few bug reports filled with that error. |
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| 09:21.48 | MaXim_ | mm |
| 09:21.56 | MaXim_ | not having much luck with my ancient box |
| 09:21.57 | cnz | hhmm |
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| 09:22.08 | MaXim_ | kernel panic when it tried to read the firmware from the floppy xD |
| 09:22.16 | cnz | it's runing to run /usr/local/tomcat/bin/*.sh scripts |
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| 09:22.22 | cnz | but that's not where tomcat is installed |
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| 09:23.24 | fairway | hi all |
| 09:23.38 | fairway | should a tomcat webapp always run with apache + tomcat mod in productive env? |
| 09:23.45 | fairway | on a debian system |
| 09:23.47 | cnz | somiaj: I think I found the problem |
| 09:23.57 | cnz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.14 | fairway | mod_jk? |
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| 09:26.45 | wols | cnz:dpkg told you long ago about lsb tags. didn't you read it? |
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| 09:28.03 | cnz | wols: yes I read the website |
| 09:28.08 | cnz | just doesn't make sense to me |
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| 09:29.15 | SandmanNet | So if I have blank hardware (or in my case, blank VM's) and want Debian installed on all of those. Is there a way to handle that over the network? |
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| 09:29.31 | jiltdil | I add the user to file visudo like %user ALL=(ALL) ALL after this installatin from this user is runnning but checkin ifconfig says command not found |
| 09:29.43 | SandmanNet | Even better, to create Debian installs from a "master" system... that are equally configured |
| 09:29.49 | wols | SandmanNet: how do you access the console of your VMs? |
| 09:30.03 | SandmanNet | wols: Over vmware's Sphere |
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| 09:30.23 | SandmanNet | I would like to batch-install 30 Debian machines this way |
| 09:30.29 | wols | create one install and copy/clone that one? how's that hard? |
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| 09:30.49 | jelly | what wols said. Create a single machine, use it as a template. |
| 09:30.53 | SandmanNet | Wols: That's what I'm doing now. takes about 15 minutes per machine to copy the files |
| 09:31.00 | SandmanNet | + lots of manual work |
| 09:31.14 | wols | is your hardware that slow? how many terabytes do you copy? |
| 09:31.18 | SandmanNet | To create empty VM's is about 30s to one minute per machine |
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| 09:31.47 | SandmanNet | Plus - I don't want all to have the same size image either |
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| 09:31.56 | SandmanNet | I don't know, it just takes a lot of time. |
| 09:32.01 | wols | create VM, copy over the image file, boot it to set a different static IP. done |
| 09:32.02 | jelly | you can resize the disks later |
| 09:32.31 | SandmanNet | All are DHCP, so there shouldn't even be need for that |
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| 09:33.00 | SandmanNet | Also, VM copying only works within the same vmware machine (I don't have vCenter) |
| 09:33.13 | cnz | somiaj: I can't find anything on google why im getting insserv: Starting tomcat depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
| 09:33.17 | SandmanNet | But ok, so that's the bets way to do it, then. I guess I have to continue to it this way :) |
| 09:33.17 | Bartzy | hey |
| 09:33.21 | Bartzy | What's the best way to know if a port is open in a bash script ? Parsing 'netstat' ? |
| 09:33.36 | wols | cnz: you need to fix the FIRST error. your lsb tags. everything else will follow |
| 09:34.00 | wols | Bartzy: probably |
| 09:34.19 | cnz | wols: well the info you sent me |
| 09:34.24 | cnz | wasn't helpful |
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| 09:34.55 | cnz | I didn't see any info on the link on how to add lsb tags and override |
| 09:34.57 | wols | cnz: then get an admin who understands it? the follow on errors are a result of the first |
| 09:35.22 | wols | cnz: simply look at the other init.d scripts. it should be very clear. heck, look at the default debian tomcat init.d script |
| 09:35.58 | petemc | Bartzy: if lsof -i :80 >/dev/null ; then echo "port open"; else echo "port closed" ; fi |
| 09:36.00 | wols | and http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts is a prett clear explanation what and how to do |
| 09:36.13 | cnz | wols: yes I am reading that now |
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| 09:36.32 | Bartzy | petemc: I just got a tip from #bash: if nc -z host port; then... Very elegant in my opinion :) |
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| 09:36.54 | petemc | Bartzy: mine works too! |
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| 09:37.27 | cnz | wols: actually that link wasn't helpful to me http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot is the one im reading |
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| 09:38.49 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/vcwq3V9Z that's my tomcat script in init.d |
| 09:39.01 | cnz | it has the start, stop etc the site says it needs |
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| 09:39.54 | wols | no it does not |
| 09:40.47 | wols | cnz: http://paste.debian.net/131151/ that's what's needed. as an example for apache2, not your tomcat! |
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| 09:41.27 | cnz | wols: was justa going to ask if that was needed in the script as I see it other init.d scripts |
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| 09:48.26 | cnz | root@rooted-inside:/etc/init.d# update-rc.d tomcat defaults |
| 09:48.26 | cnz | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 09:48.27 | cnz | root@rooted-inside:/etc/init.d# |
| 09:48.36 | cnz | woot, that's a good sign I take it? |
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| 09:49.02 | fishsponge | hey people... i'm using rsync to sync some very large files from one location to another (obviously) over the Internet... every time the connection dies half way through a huge file it has to start that huge file again rather than checking what is already there and continuing on from where it left off. how can I get it to check what is there already and then resume if it hasn't changed? |
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| 09:49.16 | cnz | wols: thanks I re-wrote the script with the info you last linked |
| 09:49.29 | wols | fishsponge: how do you copy? what protocol? |
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| 09:49.56 | cnz | YES upgrade finished |
| 09:49.58 | wols | fishsponge: many protocols, like http, https or ftp can resume automatically. rsync too |
| 09:50.01 | cnz | thanks a lot somiaj and wol |
| 09:50.02 | fishsponge | wols, over SSH. also, when the rsync process dies, the partial file seems to be removed... |
| 09:50.17 | cnz | now I know whwt to do and not to do in the future with scripts |
| 09:51.01 | wols | fishsponge: rsync --partial keep partially transferred files |
| 09:51.18 | MrMind | hmm, what can it be when it takes 2-3s more to log in on my server on the none root account? I mean from that i have write in the password and the prompt comes… even over ssh it's the same thing, can something be wrong configure or something? |
| 09:51.29 | wols | fishsponge: e.g. http://dimitar.me/how-to-resume-partial-file-transfers/ |
| 09:51.33 | fishsponge | wols, will that leave the partial file there *and* resume it when I run the rsync command again? |
| 09:52.05 | fishsponge | and what if the first part of the file has changed or if the file has been replaced? will it check to make sure it's not appending an updated end to an old beginning? |
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| 09:52.39 | wols | in that case your whole transfer is crap. resume or no resume |
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| 09:54.07 | fishsponge | wols, so if that is likely to happen, should I use the -c (checksum) option as well? |
| 09:54.17 | d3v1ous | hello, can somebody help me with LXC in Debian Sqeeze? |
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| 09:55.15 | fishsponge | wols, actually, isn't rsync based on file size and modification date/time? if so, it should be fine because I am never going to update the content of a file without changing the modification time... |
| 09:56.01 | wols | !tell d3v1ous about ask |
| 09:56.19 | wols | fishsponge: try it before your depend on it :) |
| 09:56.56 | fishsponge | ok... here's the updated command (without checksum)... rsync -avz --partial --delete-excluded --exclude='.snapshot' -e 'ssh -x -l rsyncuser -i /home/user/bin/keys/id_rsa' remotehost:/largedisk/ /local/largediskbackup/ |
| 09:57.06 | fishsponge | i think i'm happy with that :-) |
| 09:58.46 | d3v1ous | Ok wols, i can't make limitation of my virtual container. I have sucessfully passed checks for lxc-checkconfig (name spaces, memory and etc.) but when i put some limitations in my config, i can't get in the virtual machine. |
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| 09:59.08 | d3v1ous | The virtual machine aways use all ram which i have on phizical computer, all cores ... |
| 09:59.22 | d3v1ous | What i should go do make limitation for the container? |
| 09:59.49 | fishsponge | ok, so next question... I have a 2Mbit upload at home, and my rsync is hammering it (as you can imagine). is there a way I can throttle my rsync command to only send 1Mbit/sec? |
| 10:00.01 | fishsponge | debian at the destination and debian at the source... |
| 10:00.41 | petemc | you can limit rsyncs speed, check the manpage |
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| 10:01.02 | fishsponge | oh, cool... never thought it'd have it built in! |
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| 10:02.10 | wols | d3v1ous: use cgroups for that |
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| 10:02.38 | wols | d3v1ous: and make sure cgroups work correclty, limiting RAM and CPU usage for various groups |
| 10:02.47 | d3v1ous | wols: i have this in virtual container config.. lxc.cgroup.cpuset.cpus = 0 lxc.cgroup.memory.limit_in_bytes = 128M |
| 10:03.34 | wols | have you tried manually to set limit with cgroups directly? afaik you can also look at existing limits set with cgroups. check if they are set |
| 10:04.50 | d3v1ous | yes, they are set.. when i created the container, in cgroup mounts i see new directory with the name of the container, the limitations is set correctly |
| 10:05.03 | d3v1ous | but i can't get it in virtual container] |
| 10:06.47 | wols | I'd try to get cgroups working on their own first. when I see them working as I want to, then try to make them work for LXC. took me half a day or so to get them to work for normal processes (WINE instances) |
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| 10:09.32 | d3v1ous | hmm i also write with peoples from lxc channel, and they say to me because proc is not fully virtualized, and i aways watch all resources of physical machine in virtual container |
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| 10:10.51 | valberg | hi |
| 10:10.55 | wols | so test your memory and cpu limits and check the host what is actually used? |
| 10:11.02 | valberg | anyone have experience with installing couchdb on debian sid? i get this http://paste.pocoo.org/show/479044/ |
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| 10:16.38 | wols | valberg: show us your sources.list |
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| 10:21.24 | mostafadn | hello guys |
| 10:21.40 | mostafadn | My book has been published: http://www.karajlug.org/books/gnulinux-book/ |
| 10:21.59 | mostafadn | It is in Persian and you can download an ebook version there ^ |
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| 10:26.26 | valberg | wols: uhh - that sounds so dirty when you say it like that :P here it is : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/479058/ |
| 10:27.20 | wols | ,versions libmozjs2d |
| 10:27.21 | judd | Package libmozjs2d on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.1.16-6; lenny-backports: 1.9.1.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.9.1.16-8; squeeze-security: 1.9.1.16-9 |
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| 10:29.40 | wols | as you can see there is no such lib in sid (anymore). I guess you know what to do |
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| 10:30.22 | valberg | wols: well not really :S add squeeze repo or? |
| 10:31.36 | MaXim_ | hmm |
| 10:31.37 | wols | possibly yes |
| 10:31.47 | MaXim_ | kernel panic every time i try to use the floppy |
| 10:31.53 | wols | at least for the ffox javascript lib |
| 10:33.35 | MaXim_ | ah |
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| 10:33.43 | MaXim_ | only when i try to dpkg -i from a floppy :/ |
| 10:33.50 | MaXim_ | works fine if i copy the deb |
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| 10:34.10 | wols | a floppy that discriminates against debian tools? unpossible! |
| 10:34.32 | valberg | wols: that feels like bit of an overkill |
| 10:34.48 | valberg | (to add a whole repository for one packages) |
| 10:35.03 | wols | valberg: go to pdo and download the package. install with dpkg -i |
| 10:35.28 | valberg | pdo? |
| 10:35.31 | wols | !pdo |
| 10:35.32 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 10:35.35 | valberg | ahh |
| 10:35.36 | valberg | :P |
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| 10:35.46 | babilen | valberg: Please report that bug against couchdb. You might also want to fix the packaging as the dependencies are obviously wrong. |
| 10:35.47 | valberg | fair - didn't know that abbrivation |
| 10:35.58 | valberg | babilen: i'll be right on it |
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| 10:36.39 | wols | babilen: not necessarily. limbozjs2d is the javascript lib for ffox 3.5. since sid has 5.0 or so and the javascript interpreter very very much changed, it might not work anymore with the newer libs |
| 10:36.51 | wols | so it might really need that old lib |
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| 10:37.11 | babilen | wols: In either case: The bug should be reported and the packaging fixed :) |
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| 10:37.31 | valberg | i've never reported a debian bug - but i'll look at it later today - right now i have to run |
| 10:37.34 | valberg | thnx for the help :) |
| 10:37.41 | babilen | !tell valberg -about reportbug |
| 10:37.49 | babilen | valberg: Have fun! |
| 10:37.51 | valberg | babilen: nice thnx! |
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| 10:40.41 | oobe | !tell babilen -about poo |
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| 10:42.43 | MaXim_ | damn |
| 10:42.45 | MaXim_ | what is sucking up all the ram |
| 10:42.51 | MaXim_ | 105mb used |
| 10:43.19 | digdilem_ | linux will use as much ram as it can, doesn't neccessarily mean you're running out |
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| 10:43.20 | wols | top is your friend |
| 10:43.28 | MaXim_ | yes |
| 10:43.31 | MaXim_ | 5mb free |
| 10:43.34 | MaXim_ | 4mb buffers |
| 10:43.55 | MaXim_ | although it does say 88mb cached |
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| 10:44.28 | babilen | oobe: huh? |
| 10:44.39 | MaXim_ | nevermind |
| 10:44.43 | oobe | lol |
| 10:44.47 | MaXim_ | turns out its not using that much at all then :P |
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| 10:45.08 | MaXim_ | haha aptitude is a little slow at searching |
| 10:45.37 | wols | use apt-cache search |
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| 10:50.48 | alfadir | hi, evtest gets my keyboard events, but xev just reports a KeymapNotify, not a KeyPress.. any ideas ? keyboard works in console, think it changed with an update 2 month ago.. |
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| 10:52.37 | alfadir | the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf sets the inputs up. |
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| 10:58.54 | AL13N_work | did anyone see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/ ? is there a way to reject TLSv1.0 connections on apache by default? |
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| 11:04.19 | oobe | AL13N_work, according to that article "Although versions 1.1 and 1.2 of TLS aren't susceptible, they remain almost entirely unsupported in browsers and websites alike" |
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| 11:04.43 | oobe | so Im thinking if you could do this most people wouldnt be able to use the site for ssl connections at all anymore |
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| 11:20.21 | benignbala | Hi, I am running Lenny on a few old boxes. I have installed snmpd on one of the boxes and am trying an snmpwalk with the localhost. |
| 11:20.31 | benignbala | I am getting a timeout, not response from localhost. |
| 11:20.50 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:24.20 | benignbala | I am running snmpwalk -v 2c -c public localhost |
| 11:25.32 | MaXim_ | haha |
| 11:25.41 | MaXim_ | zsh is ludicrously slow on this thing |
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| 11:28.26 | herkupus | MaXim_: what kind of machine is that? |
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| 11:30.32 | kuLa | guys what should I use to manage my repos insted of dpkg-scanpackages && dpkg-scansource, is apt-ftparchive any good or reprepo even better? |
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| 11:33.18 | zumbi | kuLa: it depends, but reprepro does fairly good job, but its more complicated |
| 11:33.44 | zumbi | kuLa: for simple repo you can run dpkg-scan* |
| 11:34.05 | zumbi | kuLa: so, what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 11:35.50 | Lasers | Is there a known command that could purge all packages except for base? |
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| 11:36.56 | zumbi | Lasers: maybe with aptitude interface |
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| 11:38.24 | kuLa | zumbi: I have quite big repo atm, which is managed by my scripts based on dpkg-scan* and I'd like to replace my scripts and enhance capabilities fo this repo |
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| 11:38.41 | zumbi | kuLa: then start looking into reprepro |
| 11:38.56 | kuLa | zumbi: basicaly I'm looking for best tool to do so |
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| 11:39.52 | kuLa | zumbi: any hints regarging DAK? |
| 11:41.39 | zumbi | kuLa: you also got mini-dak, based on apt-ftparchive. Best tool would be the one that best fits you. |
| 11:42.10 | zumbi | kuLa: IMO reprepro is the more user oriented tool |
| 11:44.55 | kuLa | zumbi: well I don't mind setting it up, waht I need is easy upload to it auto scan for new packages, etc. so it looks like I'll go with reprepo, thx mate |
| 11:45.14 | kuLa | *what |
| 11:45.31 | Daviey | kuLa: reprepro is worth looking at |
| 11:45.32 | Daviey | oh, sorry - missed that suggestion |
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| 11:47.13 | MaXim_ | hmm |
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| 11:47.18 | MaXim_ | wat do |
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| 12:14.46 | unkmar | ok, I may be overlooking somethings. I have conky, gkrellm and xosview installed. I use to use conky until they shattered its usability. |
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| 12:16.42 | wols | unkmar: you overlooked stating the actual problem |
| 12:16.53 | unkmar | I was thinking to use gkrellm. |
| 12:17.20 | unkmar | I had conky layout as a panel along the bottom. Is it possible to get gkrellm like that? |
| 12:17.37 | unkmar | I haven't even attempted to configure xosview yet. |
| 12:17.52 | AL13N_work | oobe: perhaps SSLv3 alone would be enough? |
| 12:18.01 | AL13N_work | or even SSLv2 |
| 12:18.27 | unkmar | wols: sorry, I am being distracted by the TV. Since I am comfortable in the living room using my laptop. |
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| 12:19.58 | MaXim_ | hmm |
| 12:20.03 | MaXim_ | xorg seems not to like my S3 Virge |
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| 12:20.19 | oobe | AL13N_work, I dont know sorry but yes it is a concern some more research will be in order I guess |
| 12:21.35 | thewanderer1 | uh, SSLv3 and SSLv2 are old and broken, you actually need TLS 1.1 |
| 12:22.23 | jelly | thewanderer1: what's broken with ssl v3? |
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| 12:24.22 | thewanderer1 | jelly: fom Wikipedia: "From a security standpoint, SSL 3.0 should be considered less desirable than TLS 1.0. The SSL 3.0 cipher suites have a weaker key derivation process; half of the master key that is established is fully dependent on the MD5 hash function, which is not resistant to collisions and is, therefore, not considered secure." |
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| 12:25.15 | thewanderer1 | also, the article goes on to say that the vulnerability also affects all versions of SSL. |
| 12:25.41 | thewanderer1 | (it's quite logical since TLS is just the evolution of SSL under a changed name...) |
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| 12:25.57 | ms_ | hi |
| 12:26.10 | ms_ | i'm trying to resize an ext3 container, but get end of device error http://pastebin.com/9Rnc5LTN |
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| 12:29.36 | AL13N_work | thewanderer1: but, in the current scenario, it seems that TLSv1.0 is easier to hack than SSLv3 |
| 12:29.48 | AL13N_work | and all clients support SSLv2 and SSLv3 right? |
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| 12:30.07 | AL13N_work | so if i reject TLSv1.0 on my apache ssl, i'll be safer again? |
| 12:30.47 | thewanderer1 | and then you open the door to various other vulnerabilities which were plaguing the older versions... there is a reason for introducing 1.1 and 1.2, really |
| 12:31.47 | thewanderer1 | browser vendors should get down to work any moment now, though... maybe they'll implement a 3-year-old standard now that they're given a solid kick |
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| 12:33.06 | jelly | ms_: how did you create the file? |
| 12:33.49 | jelly | ms_: which version of Debian is this? |
| 12:34.17 | thewanderer1 | AL13N_work: the vulnerability is 5 years old, by the way, or possibly more - the first indications date back to 2002... go figure :P |
| 12:34.18 | AL13N_work | thewanderer1: i'm not saying there is no reason, but even if they are starting to work now, it'll be months by the time i actually get anything |
| 12:34.32 | jelly | ms_: ext2resize is a VERY old program, long replaced by resize2fs. I think the only distro still using it is RHEL4. |
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| 12:44.36 | satty | why my linux freez for a while when i insert 3g usb data card ?? |
| 12:45.33 | ms_ | kk |
| 12:45.34 | ms_ | thx |
| 12:45.38 | ms_ | works now |
| 12:46.15 | satty | ms_ no its not working |
| 12:47.03 | namtorba | he wasn't talking to you |
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| 12:47.16 | satty | oh |
| 12:48.08 | Acolyte | anyone can advise about installation of lenny onto mac mini via usb? |
| 12:49.23 | Acolyte | as in, if installing afresh, should entire drive be used (including GPT) or not? |
| 12:49.43 | namtorba | use squeeze |
| 12:50.22 | Acolyte | yeah, squeeze, my bad |
| 12:51.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | 1 |
| 12:51.20 | Acolyte | trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel but it doesn't say much about if overwriting GPT will work alright |
| 12:52.44 | wols | Acolyte: why would you want to install lenny? |
| 12:53.02 | Acolyte | wols: squeeze, my bad, not lenny |
| 12:53.35 | wols | due to Macs using EFI, I wouldn't deviate from GPT |
| 12:54.15 | Acolyte | wols: first time using mac and want to use it as debian server |
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| 12:54.23 | satty | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.13 | Acolyte | so its better to use EFIt to conform with GPT instead of using whole drive with lilo/grub? |
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| 13:15.23 | HardDisk_WP | can I have rsync output only a list of how many new bytes will be occupied on the target? |
| 13:15.41 | HardDisk_WP | the target is a ext3 container and i want to resize it according to the dry rsync run |
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| 13:19.36 | pipeline | gnarface: there are a lot of moving parts, it takes time to figure this shit out. |
| 13:20.02 | pipeline | gnarface: pro tip: never use the openldap server. 389 DS is basically Sun/Netscape LDAP 5.1, and it's completely dfsg free. |
| 13:20.11 | pipeline | gnarface: openldap is kind of a piece of crap by comparison |
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| 13:21.49 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: haha, I don't even have access to cn=config... went back to slapd.conf just yesterday for manageability :P |
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| 13:26.37 | HardDisk_WP | thewanderer1, getting access to cn=config is simple |
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| 13:26.46 | thewanderer1 | haha, right :) |
| 13:26.50 | HardDisk_WP | just bind to the cn=config with the ldap admin credentials |
| 13:27.06 | HardDisk_WP | combine this with apache directory studio and it works (tm) |
| 13:27.37 | thewanderer1 | if I try to search within cn=config base with cn=admin,dc=domain... then I always get object not found :P |
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| 13:27.59 | thewanderer1 | apparently the ACL are wrong... but then I only upgraded from a mixed Lenny/Testing release yesterday and I think the config dir is a mess |
| 13:28.13 | HardDisk_WP | oh, yep |
| 13:28.15 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 13:28.23 | HardDisk_WP | if it was a mess before, you are in problems now |
| 13:28.27 | thewanderer1 | there were Ubuntu bugs relevant to my problem it seems :P |
| 13:28.47 | thewanderer1 | well, as long as slapd.conf is supported, I'm fine... then I'll wipe slapd.d and re-generate with slaptest :P |
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| 13:39.38 | Acolyte | for some reason debian installer doesn't want to recognize HFS volume and automatically install squeeze into it ... |
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| 13:41.12 | blackshirt | Acolyte: HFS volume ? |
| 13:41.22 | Acolyte | os x |
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| 13:42.44 | petemc | Acolyte: you find this suprising? |
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| 13:43.23 | Acolyte | petemc: yes, because I haven't touched macs yet |
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| 14:02.12 | blink_ | is there a way to update a package interactively? I've changed an init script and want to keep some of my changes between updates/not have my updates get squashed |
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| 14:03.25 | panierter_panda | hi guys! i wanna use php-soap in debian-squeeze, installed the package, but i didn?t find the .so-file to include soap as an extension in php.ini... any hints? |
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| 14:04.02 | Dulak | If a config file that is managed is changed, when it updates it should prompt you with various options on what to do. |
| 14:04.15 | AL13N_work | blink_: init scripts are not usually packages with the noreplace option, so it'll likely be overwritten? |
| 14:04.36 | Dulak | Ahh you said init file, not config file. My bad. |
| 14:04.54 | AL13N_work | blink_: otoh, if you think it could be useful for others or whatever, you can always ask for a change on that package |
| 14:05.06 | AL13N_work | perhaps a way can be found to make your change configurable? |
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| 14:05.33 | blink_ | AL13N_work: right, yeah. that's my concern. it's from backports I think... maybe even a 3rd party so that's not much of an option. I'd be better off just building my own. |
| 14:05.35 | Dulak | blink_: what I did was copy the init file to my own version, modified it, and set it to use mine. Then updates only affect the original init that I am not using. |
| 14:05.41 | AL13N_work | blink_: i'd advise you to either track down the persons involved or to submit a bug report on it |
| 14:05.41 | blink_ | if apt-get or dpkg doesn't do it out of the box |
| 14:05.45 | thewanderer1 | panierter_panda: php-soap is not a PHP extension. |
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| 14:06.14 | blink_ | Dulak: good call. might as well do that, add mine to rc.d and just make a note to update my init after updates |
| 14:06.25 | AL13N_work | oops, wrong channel |
| 14:06.37 | blink_ | thanks for you input folks :) |
| 14:06.51 | AL13N_work | forget what i mentioned, i don't know that much about debian |
| 14:07.19 | AL13N_work | i thought this was another channel of a distribution where i'm a contributor of that distro |
| 14:07.27 | AL13N_work | (which is rpm based) |
| 14:07.40 | blink_ | ah, no worries. |
| 14:07.44 | AL13N_work | which is why i mentioned the noreplace option, but i'm totally unsure if debian has that |
| 14:08.24 | trnzmeta | nite all |
| 14:09.05 | panierter_panda | thewanderer1: so how to prove if soap now? the connection between the icinga-reporting cronk and the jasper server works via soap... but that doesn?t work yet. |
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| 14:09.41 | panierter_panda | thewanderer1: *works now, sry |
| 14:09.59 | thewanderer1 | panierter_panda: read the package description please |
| 14:10.13 | panierter_panda | kk, thx |
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| 14:12.47 | gnarface | pipeline: you're recommending not to use slapd? |
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| 14:14.07 | panierter_panda | thewanderer1: so now i know, that it is a client/server class... but how to get soap.so in debian? |
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| 14:14.56 | joe6 | i get the dreaded xrandr message: from Xorg.0.log: http://codepad.org/bqBmyTq7, xrandr -v : http://codepad.org/LLchlWdr, the message: Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0". |
| 14:15.14 | thewanderer1 | panierter_panda: it is a class in a .php file, there is no .so... read the list of included files using `dpkg -L php-soap`, chances are you just need to do require_once("SOAP.php"); or whatever it's called and it will work |
| 14:15.25 | joe6 | i am using nouveau. Is this as simple as finding an xrandr extension package with apt? |
| 14:15.36 | joe6 | or, is there more involved than that? |
| 14:16.02 | pipeline | gnarface: yes |
| 14:16.11 | panierter_panda | thewanderer1: ah, okay! thanks a lot! |
| 14:16.50 | pipeline | gnarface: on the client side this is pretty easy. I recommend you start with JUST nss_slapd and pam_ldap. You'll need to set up an /etc/ldap.conf correctly, then enable nss_ldap in /etc/nsswitch.conf. Test that configuration with e.g. "getent group" and "getent paswsd." Once you have that working, enable pam_ldap in /etc/pam.d. |
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| 14:17.19 | pipeline | gnarface: alternative to pam_ldap: once you have tested nss_ladp with getent group, try using pam_krb5 instead, and set up a krb5 server to talk to your ldap. Both fine choices. |
| 14:17.49 | pipeline | gnarface: pam_*: handles authentication. nss_*: handles getting data. So pam_krb5 can let you in, authing against the dir, and nss_ldap will get your uid/gid, tell the system your home dir etc |
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| 14:18.08 | pipeline | joe6: that's a message you shuoldn't be seeing |
| 14:18.18 | thewanderer1 | I use nss_mysql and pam_krb5 at home, they work like a charm... much better than LDAP :) |
| 14:18.29 | pipeline | joe6: randr is disabled in your X11 config. If you wrote the config yourself, try deleting the config file and restarting X. (You almost never need an xorg.conf) |
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| 14:18.49 | pipeline | joe6: if you are already running without a config file, then your card+driver combination probably doesn't support RandR. |
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| 14:19.18 | pipeline | thewanderer1: 389 DS will happily handle thousands of clients and a quarter million accounts. Probably overkill for home ;) |
| 14:19.22 | joe6 | pipeline: i read that it is caused by xinerama, which i have enabled in xorg.conf |
| 14:19.32 | joe6 | let me delete the xorg.conf and try. |
| 14:19.35 | joe6 | pipeline: thanks. |
| 14:19.50 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: I'm done with LDAP, thanks :P |
| 14:20.09 | thewanderer1 | (also, no packages in the repo -> no go anyway) |
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| 14:21.46 | joe6 | pipeline: i have 2 monitors, and that was one of the reasons to have xorg.conf : http://codepad.org/8FZ5Ud8d. do you still think that xorg.conf is unnecessaryL |
| 14:21.50 | joe6 | s/L/?/ |
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| 14:22.21 | pipeline | joe6: you would need an xorg.conf to configure your monitors to be exactly hte way you want at x startup |
| 14:22.31 | pipeline | joe6: but with xrandr enabled you can have your desktop environment configure the monitors on the fly, after you log in |
| 14:23.12 | joe6 | then, i do not need xrandr as i do not use gnome/kde. I use startx and xmonad. |
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| 14:24.39 | fosstux | Hi! I'm trying to integrate apache solr into drupal on a Debian 6 server. But when I try to launch the solr instance, I get java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.mortbay.xml.XmlConfiguration |
| 14:24.49 | fosstux | What do I need to install to fix this? |
| 14:25.05 | jelly | pipeline: did you happily backport a more recent 389DS to Debians? |
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| 14:25.41 | pipeline | jelly: does it matter ? 389ds has bugfixes applied, but at heart, it's a fork of netscape 5.1. An old version is still a pretty awesome product. |
| 14:26.04 | pipeline | jelly: also the way 389ds works is intrinsically "instanced," you don't really win very much having it managed by the package system anyway |
| 14:26.10 | pipeline | jelly: you could just go download the tarball of binaries and be off to a fine start |
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| 14:26.30 | pipeline | jelly: it's like tomcat: having it managed by the system gets you a free init script and instant patching, but you till have to do a bunch of the setup work yourself :P |
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| 14:26.50 | jelly | that probably applies to any ldap swerver |
| 14:27.17 | jelly | but yeah, we don't bother with tomcat packaging at all |
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| 14:28.00 | gnarface | pipeline: one of the problems i'm having here just figuring out how to do something like what you've described is that the documentation is horrendously out of date. do you have anything debian-specific that's newer than what is on debian.org? |
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| 14:31.39 | iateadonut | when i use the exec() command in php, it works for a php file called from the command line by user 'me', but when i call it from a website by user 'www-apache' i'm assuming, it doesn't work - i'm not going to change the setting; seems like a good idea, but what is the setting that controls that? |
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| 14:33.19 | fosstux_ | Hi! What is missing when after starting a solr jar file, that I get an error: http://dpaste.org/WqJwk/ |
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| 14:33.22 | thewanderer1 | iateadonut: I guess exec uses the system shell, which should be /bin/false for the Apache user |
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| 14:34.09 | an0 | Is anyone familiar with using getopts in bash scripting? Or should I ask in the offtopic channel? |
| 14:34.34 | wols | fosstux_: http://www.jarfinder.com/index.php/java/info/org.mortbay.xml.XmlConfiguration it seems jetty |
| 14:34.43 | wols | an0: #bash ? |
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| 14:35.01 | an0 | I'll try there. Thanks! |
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| 14:37.43 | fosstux_ | So - I've now installed jetty and started it on port 8900. But the error remains the same |
| 14:37.58 | iateadonut | thewanderer1, interesting, thanks. |
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| 14:38.29 | wols | fosstux_: it's not you need to run it. it needs to get loaded in the same java VM, findable from your java -jar call |
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| 14:39.29 | fosstux_ | wols: how? |
| 14:39.32 | junix659 | hey everyone, i seem to be having a problem with dpsycho and prelude-lml http://pastebin.com/qUKsNYYB has this been fixed yet? |
| 14:40.46 | wols | fosstux_: putting it in CLASSPATH? |
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| 14:43.29 | fosstux_ | It seems I got java 1.6 installed - but I need 1.5. Whats the best way to migrate? |
| 14:43.50 | Amarande | er, 1.5 is a downgrade. |
| 14:44.39 | fosstux_ | yep |
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| 14:44.53 | wols | fosstux_: archive.debian.org? tho I dunno if non-free stuff is kept. maybe java.com |
| 14:45.17 | wols | but do you really want to run software that old that needs 1.5? |
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| 14:45.27 | lazka | nautilus in testing ignores all first copy/cut commands. any ideas why? |
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| 14:47.14 | lazka | ah.. problem was: parcellite |
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| 14:54.10 | sole | :-D |
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| 14:57.51 | gnarface | pipeline: so what, instead of installing slapd i install what instead? libpam-ldap, libnss-ldap, libpam-ldapd, libnss-ldapd? |
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| 15:03.38 | goose | I just did a netinst, and one way or the other, server edition got installed when I meant to install desktop edition. so I need to install gnome, and what else, to make it a useable desktop? |
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| 15:04.56 | achadwick | Is using tasksel the correct way of doing that in debian these days? |
| 15:05.05 | babilen | !tell goose -about install gnome |
| 15:05.17 | oobe | goose, start with gnome it will install a bunch of deps then work from there |
| 15:05.35 | goose | alright, thanks oobe |
| 15:05.45 | oobe | that is how I installed my system too its nice having a very minimal system to start with then only install what you want/need |
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| 15:05.48 | goose | apparently it didn't install *anything*. no sudo, no vim.. |
| 15:05.58 | babilen | recommends one of the smaller metapackages, but goose could also just install the "gnome" package or use tasksel |
| 15:06.01 | goose | bare install I guess. not sure how that happened. |
| 15:06.03 | oobe | do you have a root account |
| 15:06.16 | goose | yeah, I'm logged in as root right now, updating apt so I can install stuff |
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| 15:06.29 | oobe | login as root make sure you have you sources.list sorted out |
| 15:06.29 | goose | 55% [Waiting for headers] |
| 15:06.34 | oobe | oh ok |
| 15:06.37 | goose | that's what I just did |
| 15:06.41 | oobe | sounds like your on your way |
| 15:06.45 | goose | it's hanging at 55% though, might have to switch mirrors |
| 15:06.47 | goose | thanks fellas :) |
| 15:06.58 | babilen | goose: Just install the gnome metapackage of your liking and take it from there. If you want sudo just install it and add your user to the "sudo" group if you don't need any fancy configuration. |
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| 15:07.17 | goose | yeah, it's just a desktop setup, not a server or anything |
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| 15:11.43 | junix659 | hey everyone, i seem to be having a problem with dpsycho and prelude-lml http://pastebin.com/qUKsNYYB has this been fixed yet? |
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| 15:12.22 | danols | hi guys does any one know shere sftp/ssh stores it's log file ? I can't find it |
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| 15:13.14 | Parsind | ? /var/log |
| 15:13.36 | danols | Parsind: yeah but what file name ? |
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| 15:14.04 | Parsind | man ssh |
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| 15:14.09 | danols | k thanks |
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| 15:15.46 | wols | it has no separate logfile afaik |
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| 15:21.37 | fosstux_ | As said before, I'm installing drupal with apache solr support. But why does the search only work for complete words like "Methode", bit not for parts of a word like "Meth"? |
| 15:23.03 | danols | what is the command utility to get all user info |
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| 15:24.33 | thewanderer1 | danols: info about all users? |
| 15:24.37 | LtL | danols: try 'id -a' man id, thats one, and /var/log/auth.log should show ssh/ftp logins/fails etc |
| 15:24.47 | namtorba | getent ? |
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| 15:25.24 | thewanderer1 | fosstux_: you're probably asking at a wrong place |
| 15:25.34 | danols | yeah get ALL user info for a specific user |
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| 15:26.13 | thewanderer1 | so "id -a username" and maybe if you want the line from /etc/passwd: "getent passwd username" |
| 15:26.22 | danols | or do you gys just look at the passwd file and stuff |
| 15:27.06 | LtL | danols: all the above |
| 15:27.15 | namtorba | danols: getent passwd danols |
| 15:27.27 | danols | k |
| 15:27.29 | danols | thank you |
| 15:27.37 | fosstux_ | sorry |
| 15:28.00 | danols | thought maybe there is a nice utility that shows all possible info |
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| 15:28.02 | danols | thanks again |
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| 15:28.49 | namtorba | danols: what's wrong with getent .. what else do you need? |
| 15:28.57 | n-iCe | hi |
| 15:29.09 | danols | well there is pam stuff for once |
| 15:29.32 | danols | there is also other stuff that get's executed when user logs in |
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| 15:30.56 | namtorba | danols: you want to query a user's .profile also ? |
| 15:31.10 | namtorba | or .bash_profile? |
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| 15:33.06 | danols | I guess |
| 15:33.31 | Pupskucheen | is there a way to run a command on startup (before login) |
| 15:33.37 | danols | I found this page http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/commands/linux_cruserman.html |
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| 15:33.49 | Pupskucheen | i want to start x11vnc |
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| 15:34.42 | wols | !tell Pupskucheen about rc.local |
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| 15:35.09 | wols | Pupskucheen: but if you use vnc as an x server, it should work as the displaymanager's xserver too |
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| 15:36.33 | pipeline | gnarface: client and server are separate problems |
| 15:36.44 | pipeline | gnarface: the client is packaged by debian. 389 ds is not, you'll have to install that manually on the server |
| 15:36.53 | pipeline | gnarface: you could use openldap in a pinch, but I don't recommend it |
| 15:37.05 | gnarface | pipeline: why not, precisely? |
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| 15:37.21 | Pupskucheen | Does rc.local start the commands before login? |
| 15:37.28 | pipeline | gnarface: once burnt, twice shy. Long story. Also: there's not really any reason to use openldap now that there is a dfsg-free fork of "real" ldap |
| 15:37.36 | pipeline | gnarface: also |
| 15:37.41 | pipeline | gnarface: don't run ldap clienst on your ldap server |
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| 15:37.47 | pipeline | gnarface: use local accounts on the directory server, save yourself suffering |
| 15:38.17 | catsup | i have a process with higher RSS than its ulimit, how can this be? |
| 15:38.24 | catsup | for pid in 2421; do ps h -o rss,command $pid; grep resident /proc/$pid/limits; done |
| 15:38.27 | catsup | 55780 /usr/sbin/tor --RunAsDaemon 0 --SocksListenAddress 127.0.0.1 --SocksPort 9051 -f ./torrc |
| 15:38.30 | catsup | Max resident set 30000000 30000000 bytes |
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| 15:38.52 | gnarface | pipeline: i think that's what i wanted to do, but i'm having trouble finding current documentation. also i like ssl keys. is it stupid to ask whether i can use ssh authentication so i don't have to change that part? |
| 15:38.55 | Pupskucheen | wols: Does rc.local start the commands before login? |
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| 15:39.19 | pipeline | gnarface: ssh authentication happens before pam_krb5 or pam_ldap gets involved, ssh keys will override the directory authentication |
| 15:39.28 | pipeline | gnarface: but yorr account data can still be pulled from the directory |
| 15:39.43 | pipeline | gnarface: so ssh will use your local keys for authentication, but authorization/access data will still come from ldap |
| 15:40.06 | pipeline | gnarface: I reiterate -- all these components are separate, and it's up to you, the systems administrator, to make all the moving parts work together seamlessly |
| 15:40.23 | catsup | is the unit actually not in bytes, or am i doing something wrong, or ... wtf??? gaaaah |
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| 15:40.56 | wols | Pupskucheen: yes |
| 15:41.05 | Pupskucheen | okey |
| 15:41.08 | Pupskucheen | I'll try it |
| 15:41.28 | catsup | man, i know it's in bytes, not like i've never used ulimit, works on other processes... (although i used perl BSD::Resource to set ulimit to launch perl... but /proc is showing the ulimit set) |
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| 15:41.40 | catsup | launch tor through perl* |
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| 15:42.51 | catsup | abrotman: little help :) |
| 15:43.07 | Miesco | How come I can't get libreoffice, dependecy problems |
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| 15:43.29 | fas3r | Hello |
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| 15:43.36 | diegoviola | hi |
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| 15:43.50 | diegoviola | should i install 32 or 64 bit if the machine has less than 4 gb of ram? |
| 15:43.55 | diegoviola | intel dual core cpu |
| 15:44.05 | pipeline | diegoviola: when in doubt, use 32 bit |
| 15:44.12 | diegoviola | pipeline: ok |
| 15:44.13 | diegoviola | thanks |
| 15:44.19 | pipeline | diegoviola: also 32 bit isn't limited to 4G of RAM except on a few very old, very cheap systems. 32 bit limit is istr 36 GB |
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| 15:44.45 | diegoviola | i see |
| 15:44.47 | diegoviola | than you so much |
| 15:44.59 | thewanderer1 | I've been using amd64 on desktop systems for 5 years... works just fine O.o |
| 15:45.03 | pipeline | ah no the limit is 64 GB for 32 bit systems (36 bit hardware addressing) |
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| 15:45.53 | Miesco | ,versions libreoffice |
| 15:45.53 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.3-1; sid: 1:3.4.3-2 |
| 15:46.08 | pipeline | thewanderer1: irritating problems: adobe flash, java web start, wine, proprietary software from more than five years ago |
| 15:46.17 | pipeline | thewanderer1: if I have to set up a 32 bit chroot, then 64 bit is more work than it was worth :P |
| 15:46.28 | diegoviola | where i could get the sha1sum or checksums for the install cd images? |
| 15:46.32 | thewanderer1 | heh, Flash works on amd64 natively now, so does Web Start |
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| 15:46.41 | pipeline | web start definitely doesn't |
| 15:46.41 | thewanderer1 | Wine is fine too :P |
| 15:46.45 | Miesco | I got it, its backports |
| 15:46.56 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: strange, I think I'm using it |
| 15:47.01 | pipeline | oracle amd64 java for linux doesn't inclued the plugin, javaws, etc |
| 15:47.03 | pipeline | thewanderer1: maybe with icedtea |
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| 15:47.25 | pipeline | thewanderer1: the point is, while amd64 is suitable for many people under many circumstances, it's still not a no-brainer. If you don't know what you want, 32 bit is still the safer choice. |
| 15:47.41 | pipeline | thewanderer1: especially since debian ships a 64 bit kernel for the 32 bit version |
| 15:48.09 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: it does? good heavens |
| 15:48.18 | navysealltblue|A | Any advice for an install that freezes when auto detecting hardware? Running a p3 dell laptop. |
| 15:48.48 | pipeline | thewanderer1: yeah. A lot of things that require proprietary kernel drivers shit their pants if you have 64 kernel, 32 userland, but it's way better than nothing. |
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| 15:49.27 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: I thought you need an amd64 CPU to run amd64 kernels? O.o |
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| 15:50.00 | wols | navysealltblue|A: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/installation_guides/debian_linux_installation_guide/ch05s03.html.en see 5.3.3.2 |
| 15:50.20 | wols | thewanderer1: do you need an intel cpu when you want to run i386 kernels? |
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| 15:54.41 | somiaj | fishsponge: rsync won't do that afiak, what I do is use split to split the large file into pieces then just transfer the pieces. Problem is you will have to do this on a per large file basis and not rsync the whole dir. |
| 15:55.14 | somiaj | fishsponge: oh sorry, was looking at the backlog just now realized your question was old. :/ |
| 15:55.44 | wols | somiaj: rsync does resume :) |
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| 16:00.29 | chees | hi |
| 16:00.49 | chees | is there out any good drivers for radeon 6310? |
| 16:00.50 | somiaj | wols: Got to find that option....:D |
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| 16:01.45 | somiaj | ahh --append and --apend-verify? |
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| 16:02.57 | gnarface | pipeline: lets say i just want the shell accounts on my ldap server be the user database. is that possible? |
| 16:03.11 | somiaj | chees: do you need 3d support, I would say the free drivers are good for most desktop things. |
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| 16:03.56 | chees | not need 3d |
| 16:04.11 | chees | i have just get crash on the drivers |
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| 16:04.25 | chees | and video works poor |
| 16:04.35 | fas3r | how can i do a " while read line ;do echo $line; done < test " and keep the form of the file test ? |
| 16:04.39 | abrotman | catsup: ? |
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| 16:04.53 | catsup | oh hai |
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| 16:05.19 | fas3r | for example if the 1st line is : /dev/hd4 655360 260864 61% 3199 10% / i would like to return : " /dev/hd4 655360 260864 61% 3199 10% / " but not " /dev/hd4 655360 260864 61% 3199 10% /" |
| 16:05.26 | abrotman | catsup: ignore |
| 16:05.35 | catsup | abrotman: just thought you might know the answer to my question |
| 16:05.48 | chees | somiaj what do you think |
| 16:06.26 | catsup | i.e., i have a process that (according to ps -o rss) is exceeding its rss ulimit (according to /proc/pid/limits)... how is it possible? |
| 16:06.50 | wols | somiaj: --partial |
| 16:06.54 | somiaj | chees: I'd check your xorg log files and see exactlly which driver is being loaded. But I have never ran into issues with the radeon driver -- is that a fairly new radeon, you might have to get a newer driver version than what is in squeeze, or even backport the non-free drivers |
| 16:07.17 | catsup | abrotman: um, do you mean you are ignoring me? :( |
| 16:07.20 | chees | ok |
| 16:07.27 | wols | chees: for your e350, you need a current fglrx.. free drivers are not advanced enough right now |
| 16:07.32 | somiaj | wols: thanks |
| 16:07.41 | thewanderer1 | wols: thewanderer1> pipeline: I thought you need an amd64 CPU to run amd64 kernels? << I was referring to amd64 architecture, which Intel uses too... but I was kind of surprised that 32-bit Debian would ship with that |
| 16:07.43 | chees | one told me ubuntu will have better support |
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| 16:07.56 | chees | e350? |
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| 16:08.30 | wols | chees: at least you are not the only one who has problems with the radeon driver and the 6310. yes ubuntu has better support since their 11.04 has a later freeze date. and they make it easier to use non-free software |
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| 16:08.44 | wols | chees: the radeon 6310 is part of the amd e-350 cpu |
| 16:08.46 | somiaj | chees: ubuntu will just install the non-free drivers by default in some cases. But with a recent version of the non-free you should be fine. Just look for backports. |
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| 16:09.41 | thewanderer1 | since we have someone with E-350 here, may I ask if any other quirks besides the GPU are present? |
| 16:09.51 | thewanderer1 | (I'm thinking about getting one myself) |
| 16:10.08 | wols | chees: you can try the xorg from backports. that's the newest one. ubuntu doesn't have a newer one either. if that doesn't work, your only choice is fglrx in a recent version. but I'd try the xorg backport forst. /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:10.15 | chees | skip linux mint debian gnome or not |
| 16:10.36 | wols | thewanderer1: all manufacturers use shitty realtek chips it seems... and they are a PITA for wlan |
| 16:10.47 | wols | chees: are you running mint or debian? |
| 16:10.49 | thewanderer1 | ok, I won't be needing WLAN |
| 16:10.58 | chees | mint debian |
| 16:11.02 | wols | !mint |
| 16:11.02 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 16:11.24 | chees | oh |
| 16:11.30 | thewanderer1 | chees: may I ask you to paste the contents of /proc/cpuinfo to paste.debian.net anyway? I'm interested in the platform |
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| 16:12.06 | chees | sure |
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| 16:16.06 | Pupskucheen | I don't get x11vnc to work |
| 16:16.15 | Pupskucheen | i tried rc.local and xinitrc |
| 16:16.27 | Pupskucheen | i want to use vnc to login |
| 16:16.35 | Pupskucheen | so it has to be started before login |
| 16:16.37 | Pupskucheen | any ideas? |
| 16:16.46 | Mantas | hello, I Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.26-2-686. My debian distribution is Lenny, kernel 2.6.26-2-686. |
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| 16:17.43 | somiaj | Mantas: apt-cache search linux-source (what is the package name it returns) |
| 16:17.54 | wols | Pupskucheen: use vnc4server instead? |
| 16:18.37 | wols | Mantas: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.25-2-686? |
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| 16:20.17 | somiaj | so is there any difference between the source for the package and the linux-source package. I guess one you can get without the deb-src line |
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| 16:21.09 | MrMind | is it necessary set "create mask" and "directory mask" when I share a folder in samba? |
| 16:21.19 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: x11vnc is intended to share the current active session. |
| 16:21.53 | jhutchins_lt | MrMind: It will use sensible defaults. |
| 16:22.20 | Mantas | wols: it doesn't work. |
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| 16:22.56 | wols | ,versions linux-image-686 |
| 16:22.58 | judd | Package linux-image-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.0.0+39; wheezy: 3.0.0+39 |
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| 16:23.51 | simonlnu | Mantas: you should consider upgrading to current stable, squeeze |
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| 16:24.24 | MrMind | jhutchins_lt: oh okey, beacuse I followed a guide that told me to set create mask = 0660 and directory mask to 0771, but I think I leave it then |
| 16:25.15 | jhutchins_lt | MrMind: Try it, if you like what you get keep it, if not change it. |
| 16:25.40 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: Do you have a valid deb-src line in your sources.list? |
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| 16:27.51 | MrMind | jhutchins_lt: yep, thx =) |
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| 16:28.00 | n-iCe | guys |
| 16:28.05 | n-iCe | I am so in love with Debian |
| 16:28.18 | neil_m | it's not that gret |
| 16:28.24 | neil_m | great |
| 16:28.26 | neil_m | :) |
| 16:28.44 | Flash_ | it's good, but well, in love with it? that's a little strange |
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| 16:29.17 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 16:29.18 | n-iCe | I know |
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| 16:29.23 | n-iCe | cries |
| 16:29.29 | n-iCe | is just awesome |
| 16:29.58 | somiaj | !love |
| 16:29.58 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
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| 16:31.16 | fas3r | why when i use echo with \f, i have an empty line between each line ? |
| 16:31.25 | fas3r | can i remove it ? |
| 16:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: Please keep the discussion here in case I wander off. |
| 16:31.47 | Mantas | ok |
| 16:31.56 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: I don't think your source line is valid, and certainly isn't for packages in main. |
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| 16:33.10 | fas3r | no idea :S |
| 16:33.22 | Mantas | so just add your line, do I have to restart something? |
| 16:33.33 | Miesco | How do I turn a latex file into microsoft word file? |
| 16:33.33 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: i don't know if there is a Latvian repository, whatever european one works best for you instead of .us. |
| 16:33.47 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: Don't have to restart, just run aptitude update. |
| 16:34.22 | simonlnu | Miesco: why oh why would want to do that? |
| 16:34.28 | tensorpudding | Miesco: there might be a converter |
| 16:34.35 | tensorpudding | but the output you get could be terrible |
| 16:34.45 | junix659 | hey everyone, i seem to be having a problem with dpsycho and prelude-lml http://pastebin.com/qUKsNYYB has this been fixed yet? |
| 16:34.56 | Miesco | simonlnu: My online course at ILC wants it in microsoft .docx file, I made a .pdf but it wants a .docx :/ |
| 16:35.24 | simonlnu | poor you, that's bad... |
| 16:35.24 | Miesco | And a beautiful .pdf from latex with all my equations, spent 3 weeks digitalizing all my math questions |
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| 16:35.49 | tensorpudding | your math course demands .docx for equation-filled text? that's criminal |
| 16:35.55 | tensorpudding | it can't even display math properly |
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| 16:36.11 | simonlnu | maybe use libre/openoffice? |
| 16:36.16 | Miesco | tensorpudding: I just found this out |
| 16:36.21 | Miesco | simonlnu: I tried, it doesn't import latex |
| 16:36.22 | tensorpudding | Miesco: what you could do |
| 16:36.32 | tensorpudding | is painstakingly convert all equations into pictures |
| 16:36.34 | Mantas | jhutchins_lt: voip:/etc/apt# apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 16:36.35 | Mantas | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 16:36.37 | tensorpudding | and insert them into the file |
| 16:36.37 | Mantas | Building dependency tree |
| 16:36.38 | Mantas | Reading state information... Done |
| 16:36.40 | Mantas | E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | did you update? |
| 16:37.21 | Mantas | yes |
| 16:37.21 | wols | Mantas: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-source&searchon=names&suite=oldstable§ion=all |
| 16:37.26 | tensorpudding | and dump the text from the tex into a docx |
| 16:37.37 | tensorpudding | and manually format it |
| 16:37.40 | wols | it's 2.6.26 and nothing else. it'd be silly for source to be for specific CPUs... |
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| 16:38.06 | Miesco | wait, they take .rtf files also, there's a latex2rtf binary |
| 16:38.10 | Miesco | i'll try that |
| 16:38.19 | tensorpudding | rtf doesn't support equations |
| 16:38.23 | tensorpudding | it's going to mangle them |
| 16:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 16:38.57 | judd | Package linux-source-2.6.26 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26-26lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.6.26-26lenny3; lenny-security: 2.6.26-26lenny3 |
| 16:39.20 | n-iCe | Is there any equivalent for RASAPI in Linux? |
| 16:39.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 16:39.22 | judd | Package linux-source-2.6.32 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-35~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32-35; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-35squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-35squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-35squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-35squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-36 |
| 16:39.22 | tensorpudding | what the hell kind of place doesn't support PDF anyway |
| 16:39.26 | wols | Miesco: can you export your pretty equations as png or such? |
| 16:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: Use the name judd provided. |
| 16:40.08 | wols | jhutchins_lt: which one? you gave the name, just didn't |
| 16:40.27 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: you should probably check dpkg -l linux-image* first. |
| 16:40.37 | Miesco | wols: Thats what the latex2rtf does |
| 16:40.38 | tensorpudding | generally when they require .DOC they want to hand-edit the file and send it back to you |
| 16:40.47 | tensorpudding | which is a good way to ruin formatting |
| 16:41.13 | Miesco | wols: wait no, it rendered my .eps's as png |
| 16:41.46 | Miesco | tensorpudding: .doc period is a good way to ruin formatting, heck it is not structured at all |
| 16:41.48 | Mantas | un linux-image <none> (no description available) |
| 16:41.49 | Mantas | un linux-image-2. <none> (no description available) |
| 16:41.51 | Mantas | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26+17+lenn Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 16:41.52 | Mantas | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26-8 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 16:41.54 | Mantas | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26-26lenny Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 16:42.20 | wols | Mantas: don't do this |
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| 16:43.16 | Miesco | I just just paste the .tex text into a word file |
| 16:43.20 | Miesco | should* |
| 16:43.58 | tensorpudding | heh |
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| 16:44.10 | tensorpudding | they'd be confused |
| 16:44.15 | simonlnu | Miesco: hehe |
| 16:44.26 | tensorpudding | your professor probably hasn't ever seen tex before |
| 16:44.28 | abrotman | catsup: oh .. i thought you meant about the ops .. what was your question ? |
| 16:44.53 | tensorpudding | give you a failing mark |
| 16:44.57 | simonlnu | here, you want a frigging .docx ? read that, and look at a real document formatter |
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| 16:47.26 | RichiH | is there a way to have all audio output be redirected to another sound device as soon as it's plugged in? i just got usb-based speakers for my laptop and would want to use them if connected |
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| 16:48.18 | catsup | abrotman: about the ops? i already resolved it, but the problem was i thought setrlimit(RLIMIT_RSS, ...) did something, but it doesn't |
| 16:48.41 | somiaj | RichiH: you could setup some hotplug script but in the end you just have to modify your .asoundrc file and tell it the default device |
| 16:48.51 | g00se | I can't open a new terminal tab - it hangs. This is a syslog tail: http://pastebin.com/S0qn9Tvf |
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| 16:49.58 | wols | g00se: that's nice but pretty useless |
| 16:50.30 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 16:50.31 | wols | it helps to see the full kernel error message |
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| 16:50.44 | Mneumonic | Can anyone help me get a working volume control in the xfce4.8 panel |
| 16:50.59 | wols | Mneumonic: does it work with alsamixer? |
| 16:50.59 | g00se | wols: OK - i'll go further back |
| 16:51.14 | Mneumonic | i have a mixer that i can change the sound settings with |
| 16:51.23 | Mneumonic | But I would like a volume control slider applet in my panel |
| 16:51.29 | Mneumonic | similar to crunchbang or xubuntu |
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| 16:52.14 | MrMind | someone that can explaine why I should use "create mask = 0660" and "directory mask = 0771" on my share in samba? |
| 16:52.40 | somiaj | MrMind: do you understand what a file mask is? (it is basically the way you setup default permisions) |
| 16:53.30 | MrMind | somiaj: I'm not really sure but I think it gives different permission for diffrenet users? |
| 16:53.37 | Mantas | I am still facing the problem: You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel installed. |
| 16:53.43 | g00se | http://pastebin.com/XUHsPKEn i think is the start of one... |
| 16:54.19 | somiaj | MrMind: no, its for file permisions. What it does is set the file permisions on files that are written/created by samba. |
| 16:54.55 | somiaj | MrMind: man chmod if you want more on permisions. But all you are doing is setting the permisions that samba writes on default. You only need those lines if the defaults for samba don't suit your needs |
| 16:55.13 | g00se | wols: What do you make of that one? |
| 16:55.36 | MrMind | somiaj: oh okey, the thing is that I follow a guide and it tolds me to use this permission, I just wanted to know why :) |
| 16:56.04 | somiaj | MrMind: you just set it though a 'mask' instead of the actual permisions. Because the guide wanted to not trust the defaults. The admin of the guide things those are the sane defaults. |
| 16:56.18 | wols | g00se: mutex_lock (mutually exclusive lock) and the first line of the error makes it look like a race or such that resulted in a deadlock |
| 16:56.31 | wols | g00se: what kernel version is it? |
| 16:56.41 | Miesco | I phoned my online course and they just said I need a .doc file and had no idea for how I can make one from my .tex file |
| 16:56.53 | Mantas | If I ugrade to sqeeze it won't be a problem any more with kernel source? |
| 16:57.11 | Miesco | Maybe I can convert the latex file to one giant image and put it into the .doc file |
| 16:57.40 | somiaj | Miesco: Ask if you can send a pdf file, they should be able to view it (just not edit it). I haven't ever seen a tex2doc converter. |
| 16:57.57 | MrMind | somiaj: okey, but you think it's safe to use the samba defaults? I trust samba more then the guide ;) |
| 16:58.25 | wols | MrMind: why did you read the guide in the first place then? |
| 16:58.31 | somiaj | Mantas: apt-cache search linux-source (what problem are you having) -- if you just want to compile your own kernel there is a linux-source-2.6 packages |
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| 16:59.20 | somiaj | MrMind: I think understanding why file permisions are important on a *nix system, and the differences in the two is more useful than going one way or another. Try it both ways, create a sample file, look at the file permissions, see the difference. Decide which fit your admin model |
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| 16:59.56 | g00se | wols: 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:00.27 | wols | g00se: I'd try a backport kernel if I were you. that is, if you can reproduce the error |
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| 17:00.52 | MrMind | somiaj: okey, thx := |
| 17:00.53 | MrMind | :) |
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| 17:01.29 | sajkaca | hi i m doing tunneling with putty. so i add 10.0.0.15:80 port 88 and i go to web open localhost:88 and it works.. but now how to add ssh port (22) anyone knows? |
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| 17:02.17 | g00se | wols: I've known it to happen before. At the mo i can reproduce it quite easily by trying to open a new terminal, irrespective of what application i use for it |
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| 17:10.11 | Mantas | somiaj: I still get error when I am installing dahdi: You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel installed. Even so my kernel source is: linux-source-2.6.26. Where is the problem? |
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| 17:11.40 | somiaj | Mantas: so what you really need is the kernel headers not the source |
| 17:12.31 | Mantas | somiaj: My headers: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:13.14 | themill | wasn't dahdi introduced in squeeze? (it was called zaptel in lenny) |
| 17:13.17 | berserkr | hello all. I have a problem with debian squeeze. I've installed 2 more GB of RAM memory, and system does not recognize... any help??? |
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| 17:14.01 | somiaj | berserkr: what is your total ram? its >4gigs I'm assuming and you are running i386? you need a -bigmem or -pae kernel |
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| 17:14.29 | berserkr | my system is 32bit and i've 4GB total |
| 17:14.48 | berserkr | the system only recognize 2GB |
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| 17:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | berserkr: Install the bigmem kernel. |
| 17:15.28 | somiaj | berserkr: well you can only get about 3.2GB on a standard 32bit kernel -- have you checked your bios, does it detect your ram -- maybe there is an issue and its disabling it |
| 17:15.36 | berserkr | yes, I read something about bigmem, but I think the problem is other |
| 17:15.47 | somiaj | he should see more than 2GB without a bigmem kernel |
| 17:15.49 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: Unless PAE is used. |
| 17:15.55 | jhutchins_lt | berserkr: Yes, first question is does the BIOS recognize it. |
| 17:15.55 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 17:16.57 | g00se | wols: Thanks for help. Shall try backported kernel |
| 17:17.17 | Mantas | themill: no dahdi works fine in lenny |
| 17:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | Mantas: How do you know that if you can't install it? |
| 17:17.58 | berserkr | somiaj: nop, the slot is active.. in fact i had 2 modules of 1GB before and all of them recognized |
| 17:18.27 | berserkr | now only one of them is recognized |
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| 17:19.16 | somiaj | berserkr: check your mobo specs, maybe it can't deal with more than 1GB strips -- if its only reconizing one it could be you didn't plug it in all the way or there is an error with it. |
| 17:19.20 | Mantas | jhutchins_lt: it was working, I added some sangoma a200 expansion cards and after that I am facing problems |
| 17:19.41 | berserkr | somiaj: is the kernel who recognize the ram on start? or is another package? |
| 17:20.03 | Mantas | Now I am trying to reinstall dahdi in fact |
| 17:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | berserkr: Again: Does the BIOS see all 4G? |
| 17:20.23 | somiaj | berserkr: its the kernel -- but unless your BIOS sees the ram the kernel won't either. |
| 17:20.32 | berserkr | somiaj: the motherboard supports 4GB |
| 17:20.49 | themill | Mantas: how are you installing it? |
| 17:20.53 | berserkr | ok, i'm goin to check it |
| 17:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | berserkr: We're not asking what it supports or what the slots are doing, we're asking if the BIOS sees all 4G. |
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| 17:21.40 | berserkr | ok ok, reboot |
| 17:22.04 | Mantas | themill: /dahdi-linux-complete-2.5.0.1+2.5.0.1 make |
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| 17:24.49 | MrMind | I run a samba server and how can the folders a create on my mac get different permissions(drwxrwxr-x) that the folders I create from my linux machines?(drwxrwx--x)? I use create mask = 0660 and directory mask = 0771 |
| 17:27.34 | somiaj | MrMind: because samba is using a different mask than the defaults of your machine |
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| 17:28.18 | MrMind | somiaj: yep, I know but both the mac and linux machine i try from are not the server, just clients |
| 17:28.35 | MrMind | so the folder should get the same permissions, right? |
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| 17:30.45 | somiaj | MrMind: it should but the mask is just the default, if the client requests no default permisions it might use them -- I'm not to familar with samba. |
| 17:31.08 | cwong | are there any working pci-express wireless cards compatible with kismet? |
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| 17:32.24 | MrMind | somiaj: okey, thx anyway |
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| 17:33.39 | somiaj | cwong: Kismet will work with any wireless card which supports raw monitoring (rfmon) mode -- seems you should just double check that mode is supported in the model of the card you want. |
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| 17:34.33 | cwong | somiaj: k.. the problem i guess is most pci-express arent really compatible with linux .. better do some more research... |
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| 17:36.47 | sylar | is it possible to instal debian on NTFS? |
| 17:36.58 | petemc | no |
| 17:37.01 | simonlnu | no |
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| 17:37.39 | sylar | :( |
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| 17:39.07 | somiaj | I seem to recall seeing a way to install linux on ntfs, but it was very hacky and I wouldn't recomended it -- the file permisions are way different and it most likely will just cause issues. |
| 17:39.21 | ompaul | i.e. not work |
| 17:40.00 | ompaul | sylar: get your NTFS system into a virtual box and then run debian natively on the machine and forget to restore the virtual box thus having a working computer with integrity ;-) |
| 17:40.06 | dkr | why would you even want to? :) if you want access from winblows there are win32 tools to access/mount extn stuff |
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| 17:42.02 | Miesco | Okay I got all my equations in a .odt converted from latex. When I convert to .doc the equations don't show.................. |
| 17:42.19 | sylar | o, but I don't have enough disk on that one, and i don't want to buy a new disk for it |
| 17:42.21 | simonlnu | :( |
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| 17:43.12 | somiaj | Miesco: I see a pdf 2 doc converters from google. Maybe take the pdf and convert it (the converter might just take the equations in as images so they dont' change) |
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| 17:46.34 | bolt | what the heck is the manual for grub's configuration files in /etc/grub.d/ called? |
| 17:46.56 | bolt | can't find it |
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| 17:49.34 | themill | bolt: "info grub" (or read the comments in the files) |
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| 17:50.08 | Miesco | somiaj: Thanks, it puts it into a rtf that is kind of readable |
| 17:50.16 | Miesco | somiaj: I'm gunna send that in |
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| 17:52.55 | Miesco | Okay sent it |
| 17:53.19 | Miesco | I'm going to probably fail now because the file is messed up so much but ah well |
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| 17:53.53 | joe6 | dmwit, to get rid of 'Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0".', set #Option "RandR" "false" |
| 17:53.58 | joe6 | in the xorg.conf |
| 17:54.09 | Miesco | I can't even start unit 2 until unit 1 has been marked....... |
| 17:54.29 | joe6 | and use "xrandr --output VGA-1 --right-of DVI-I-1" to set your monitor position. |
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| 17:56.48 | Iridos | Miesco, there's no good way of doing that at all... there's latex2html ... and yes, as you saw latex2rtf... all of it loses the advantages of latex |
| 17:57.09 | Miesco | Iridos: Thats what I used latex2html, still messed up though |
| 17:57.30 | compgenius999 | hey guys, I'm planning on transforming an old celeron box into a server, also I'm going to be booting it from a USB, is there a special memstick image, or can I just use the ISO with unetbootin? Also, could I customize the install to set up SSH by itself and auto-dhcp eth0? |
| 17:57.36 | themill | Miesco: why are you converting latex to anything else anyway, btw? |
| 17:57.42 | compgenius999 | Saves me setting up a keyboard to the system |
| 17:57.51 | Iridos | Miesco, unreasonable not to accept pdf |
| 17:58.02 | Iridos | complain to the dean or whatnot |
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| 17:58.30 | Iridos | themill, <Miesco> : My online course at ILC wants it in microsoft .docx file, I made a .pdf but it wants a .docx :/ |
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| 17:59.26 | valdyn | how hard can it be to embed pdf file contents into docs |
| 17:59.28 | themill | Miesco: You could try seeing if OOo can read in the PDF directly and then spit out a docx file. oodraw can read in PDFs at least. |
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| 18:00.05 | compgenius999 | so, does anyone know how I would set up a custom debian ssh install from a USB flash drive? |
| 18:00.07 | atmosx | hello |
| 18:00.30 | atmosx | what is the best way to install linux-kernel-3.0 on squeeze ? |
| 18:00.30 | atmosx | or at least 2.6.39? |
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| 18:01.37 | themill | dpkg: tell atmosx about bpo |
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| 18:02.44 | Iridos | Miesco, you could have considered to obey the letter, but not the spirit of the instructions.... |
| 18:02.55 | valdyn | Miesco: embedding pictures in your docx file might be just fine, since docx might just be requirement for the secretary to print it out or whatever, not meant to do anything else but that |
| 18:02.59 | atmosx | themill: thankms dude |
| 18:03.12 | Iridos | Miesco, just convert the pages of your latex document into high-res png and import these into a word document one by one :-P |
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| 18:03.17 | compgenius999 | so, does anyone know how I would set up a custom debian ssh install from a USB flash drive? |
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| 18:03.44 | n-iCe | compgenius999: you want to install debian from a usb? |
| 18:04.07 | compgenius999 | n-iCe yeah, onto a headless box, so that I can just SSH into 192.168.0.3 |
| 18:04.20 | compgenius999 | rather than connecting up a keyboard and doing the install from there |
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| 18:05.25 | n-iCe | well, set the usb with netbootin and the debian iso |
| 18:05.26 | Iridos | Miesco, the more like debian-answer is to look at the tex4ht package, which produces html that can be read into word, according to the web |
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| 18:05.45 | n-iCe | then you can just boot, don't know how you will ssh a pc with no packages installed thoughj |
| 18:06.25 | Arrnas | i have debian running on vmware and im having problems with passwords, sudo doesn't recognize my user password or root password and i can only login at the user page, if it idles and logs me out i can't login from the login screen i need to go to switch user and enter the pass there |
| 18:07.05 | valdyn | Arrnas: sudo is not set up at all by default in debian |
| 18:07.26 | valdyn | Arrnas: that means its not useful for anything till you change the configuration |
| 18:07.39 | valdyn | Arrnas: ( or add yourself to the sudo group i guess ) |
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| 18:07.54 | karlpinc | !sudoers |
| 18:07.54 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
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| 18:08.36 | joe6 | dmwit, also get rid of libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 18:09.01 | Arrnas | thanks for that but im still confused why i can't login through the login screen after i idle |
| 18:10.08 | Arrnas | should i reinstall debian ? i think it might have something to do with vmware |
| 18:10.34 | valdyn | Arrnas: are you tryint to log into X as root? |
| 18:11.01 | Arrnas | no im a regular user and i get logged off after some amount of time |
| 18:11.17 | Arrnas | when i try to log back in it throws wrong password at me |
| 18:11.35 | Arrnas | when i go to switch user, select my logged in user and enter the same password it works |
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| 18:15.10 | kingsley | Why would inodes change for files in /sbin, like depmod, ifconfig and modprobe? |
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| 18:16.13 | kingsley | I'm not aware of having done anything that would have affected them. |
| 18:17.15 | Arrnas | should i just leave root password blank in order to use sudo? |
| 18:17.44 | AimHere | No |
| 18:17.57 | AimHere | Learn to use the /etc/sudoers file |
| 18:18.23 | AimHere | 'man sudoers' |
| 18:18.29 | somiaj | Miesco: send the pdf with it and ask if they are ok to send in the future since they are all nice looking |
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| 18:20.26 | valdyn | kingsley: inodes dont change unless you rewrite the files |
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| 18:21.01 | kingsley | valdyn: I'm inclined to agree. |
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| 18:24.04 | somiaj | Arrnas: adduser <usr> sudo (by default any user in the sudo group has full sudo primisions) if you want to modify the sudoers file use 'visudo' |
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| 18:25.22 | kingsley | valdyn: Conversely, *anything* that might rewrite a file, could change an inode. |
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| 18:29.21 | N3 | Is there a way to re-install the /etc/init.d/bind9 script? |
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| 18:29.59 | ompaul | N3: what did you do to make you ask that question? |
| 18:30.10 | N3 | stuff |
| 18:30.16 | N3 | I chrooted bind |
| 18:30.20 | N3 | then removed that |
| 18:30.28 | N3 | then tried to re-install bind9 |
| 18:30.40 | N3 | I think I've tracked it down to something called "irsserv" |
| 18:30.52 | ompaul | copy the file.deb to a place on your desktop |
| 18:30.59 | ompaul | create a directory there |
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| 18:31.26 | goose | what boot loaders work with UEFI and windows? Because GRUB doesn't. |
| 18:31.29 | ompaul | use dpkg -x file.deb directory/ |
| 18:31.32 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 18:31.32 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 18:31.35 | valdyn | N3: ^^ |
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| 18:33.38 | N3 | dpkg: error processing bind9 (--configure): |
| 18:33.38 | N3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.38 | N3 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:33.38 | N3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.38 | dpkg | n3: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 18:33.47 | N3 | w/e |
| 18:34.03 | N3 | Same problem |
| 18:34.39 | themill | N3: please pastebin the entire message not some random snippet of it. |
| 18:34.52 | themill | (also include the command that generated the error) |
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| 18:35.22 | diegoviola | where i could get sha1sum checksums or md5 to check against the debian iso files? |
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| 18:35.53 | diegoviola | oh i found it, sorry |
| 18:35.54 | themill | diegoviola: in the same directory on the CD mirrors |
| 18:36.05 | N3 | http://pastie.org/2564393 |
| 18:36.06 | diegoviola | yes, found it, thanks |
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| 18:36.14 | N3 | themill: http://pastie.org/2564393 |
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| 18:38.15 | babilen | goose: You want grub-efi |
| 18:38.56 | Neurotiquette | How do I update my php5-cli version to php 5.3.5? Currently if I type apt-get update and apt-cache search php5-cli it gives me 5.2.7 |
| 18:39.14 | goose | babilen, installed it, but I still can't get grub to see windows on /dev/sda (Debian is on /dev/sdb) |
| 18:39.24 | themill | Neurotiquette: upgrade to squeeze, following the release notes. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:39.52 | themill | N3: Does that init script still not exist on disk? |
| 18:40.14 | N3 | themill: no |
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| 18:40.26 | N3 | themill: I need to install bind9 as if it was not there in the first place |
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| 18:40.46 | themill | N3: are you trying to restore lots of other config files too, or just that one? |
| 18:40.47 | valdyn | N3: you need to install the package that contains the init script using what dpkg said above |
| 18:40.55 | themill | valdyn: see the pastebin |
| 18:40.59 | N3 | themill: all of htem |
| 18:41.01 | N3 | them* |
| 18:41.41 | themill | N3: back up the config files, "aptitude purge bind9; aptitude install bind9" |
| 18:42.57 | N3 | themill: I think that did it |
| 18:43.08 | babilen | goose: Do you have os-prober installed? |
| 18:43.14 | N3 | themill: Yep that was it, thanks! |
| 18:43.46 | N3 | damn I feed stupid :( |
| 18:44.08 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 18:44.10 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; wheezy: 5.3.8-1; sid: 5.3.8-2 |
| 18:44.33 | wols | Neurotiquette: what debian do you run? |
| 18:44.58 | smhar | is it possible to hide the registered users from the gdm login window, so the user must writes the username -not select it- in order to login? |
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| 18:46.55 | dym | I need inspiration for a script - i need to start an action everytime an ftp upload finishes - but im not sure how to tell when its actually finished - cant use any kinda pidfiles or such tho. |
| 18:47.04 | dym | How would you "catch" the end of an upload? |
| 18:47.12 | meise_ | smhar: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME_2.28_Changes#Removing_list_of_user_names |
| 18:47.38 | Neurotiquette | wols: Whats the best way to check? |
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| 18:48.16 | wols | Neurotiquette: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && uname -r |
| 18:48.29 | smhar | thanks meise_ |
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| 18:50.04 | Neurotiquette | 2.13-0ubuntu13 |
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| 18:51.09 | wols | Neurotiquette: please ask in ubuntu then. we wouldn't know what php5 they ship. debian doesn't ship 5.3.5 anywhere and never did |
| 18:51.10 | themill | Neurotiquette: you probably want to ask in #ubuntu, not #debian |
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| 18:51.50 | atmosx | in order to have 2.6.39* kernel working properly do I have to install like another 300 packages? |
| 18:52.19 | atmosx | linux-headers-2.6.39 , linux-something-2.6.39 and so on? |
| 18:52.19 | wols | atmosx: yes. which is why you would compiled your own /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 18:52.47 | wols | arvind_khadri: the headers you must have. and the linux-image package. rest is optional unless other things are dragged in: module-init-tools, udev, etc |
| 18:52.53 | Neurotiquette | wols: Why does it matter if the only thing I want to upgrade is php? |
| 18:52.54 | wols | atmosx: ^^ |
| 18:52.55 | themill | atmosx: there should be quite little grabbed from backports for your kernel. (about 5 or 6 packages) |
| 18:53.16 | themill | Neurotiquette: we have no idea what php ubuntu has, please just ask them. |
| 18:53.16 | wols | Neurotiquette: cause we don't know anything about ubuntu and debian has no php 5.3.5. we simply don't know |
| 18:53.25 | wols | themill: does bpo have .39 now? |
| 18:53.35 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze-backports |
| 18:53.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1) |
| 18:53.56 | atmosx | wait, I'm compiling the kernel as I used to do in Gentoo (which means manually, after configure .config) … I typed 'make' |
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| 18:54.02 | wols | did that change from .38 or is my brain chemistry playing tricks on me? |
| 18:54.09 | wols | atmosx: bad bad choice |
| 18:54.11 | themill | wols: a month or so ago |
| 18:54.11 | atmosx | now I see that you have another command fakeroot …. |
| 18:54.22 | atmosx | wols: yes, because I'm used to use linux :-( |
| 18:54.25 | atmosx | anyway |
| 18:54.26 | wols | atmosx: make-kpkg is the actual command. fakeroot is just icing |
| 18:54.30 | themill | atmosx: weren't you heading off to backports.org to just download a kernel a few minutes ago? |
| 18:54.35 | valdyn | atmosx: fakeroot's purpose is only to fool tar |
| 18:55.10 | atmosx | themill: yeah, but didn't find anything newer than 2.6.32 and I need the ath9k_htc which sits on 2.6.39 |
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| 18:55.29 | themill | atmosx: didn't I tell you specifically that 2.6.39 is available? |
| 18:55.38 | atmosx | wols: is there any guide? I have found many but none is like the other... |
| 18:55.48 | atmosx | themill: I can't find it! |
| 18:56.19 | wols | atmosx: /msg dpkg kernel-package and /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:56.41 | atmosx | themill: I found only linux-source-2.6.39 |
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| 18:56.54 | melik | is there an alternative command to expr that handles decimal points? |
| 18:56.58 | themill | atmosx: did you follow the instructions on backports.org to add the repository? What does the output of "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image~Vbpo" say? |
| 18:57.22 | Bushmills | melik: bc |
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| 18:58.31 | pipeline | gnarface: no. |
| 18:58.34 | atmosx | themill: they have any 2.6.39 versions |
| 18:58.49 | pipeline | thewanderer1: 32 bit debian has an amd64 kernel available, it's not mandatory |
| 18:58.56 | pipeline | thewanderer1: amd64 + dkms bits for it |
| 18:59.00 | TheDeathOfRats | Got a server that I need to do a BIOS reset on, but I can't get to it easily. Is there any way to clear the CMOS from the linux command line? |
| 18:59.02 | atmosx | let's I want this one: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1 |
| 18:59.55 | Neurotiquette | themill: You mean it's impossible to install the latest version of php on Debian? |
| 19:00.02 | themill | atmosx: "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686" (or -amd64 or -686-pae or ...) |
| 19:00.30 | themill | Neurotiquette: I told you how to upgrade from php5.2 to php5.3 on debian but that's a completely useless answer for someone running ubuntu. please go to #ubuntu. |
| 19:00.30 | atmosx | hmmm |
| 19:00.59 | atmosx | themill: this is a precompiled kernel or what? |
| 19:01.21 | themill | atmosx: of course. Most people gave up recompiling kernels in 1997. |
| 19:01.44 | atmosx | themill: and how do I know if it has the specific module I need? |
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| 19:01.59 | themill | atmosx: install it and check... |
| 19:02.03 | atmosx | it it's build in that is or it comes as a modules (do I download modules for this kernel also?) |
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| 19:02.06 | atmosx | themill: okay... |
| 19:02.14 | atmosx | I'll just keep recompiling mine, just in case |
| 19:03.11 | pipeline | TheDeathOfRats: there's no standard method. If your vendor hardware permits it. |
| 19:04.16 | jelly-home | melik: echo 'scale=6; 2/3' | bc |
| 19:04.48 | Neurotiquette | themill: I actually ran the apt-get lennyu -> squeeze suggestion you gave me. It's running. |
| 19:05.04 | themill | Neurotiquette: stop it. You really don't want to do that. |
| 19:05.11 | Neurotiquette | ctrl+c safe to do? |
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| 19:06.38 | Neurotiquette | Heh, probably not. :/ |
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| 19:06.51 | Neurotiquette | Oh well, better on a VPS then my home machine, eh? |
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| 19:07.06 | somiaj | Neurotiquette: if it is just 'downloading' sure |
| 19:07.24 | TheDeathOfRats | pipeline: It used to be possible using the debug tool in DOS (going back a bit I know), is there no equivilant? |
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| 19:07.48 | Neurotiquette | somiaj: Hehe nope. Oh well, I'll reset the VPS, it's ok. |
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| 19:08.04 | pipeline | TheDeathOfRats: it's vendor-specific |
| 19:08.24 | pipeline | TheDeathOfRats: e.g. if you are running debian on a sparc you can use the eeprom(1) command |
| 19:08.39 | pipeline | TheDeathOfRats: that's not going to work on your HP ProLiant, you'll have to get tools from HP for it :P |
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| 19:09.23 | TheDeathOfRats | pipeline: Damn, I'll have to patch into the RS232 and do it remotely then, I'm fairly sure there will be no tools. Thanks anyway :) |
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| 19:17.23 | spetrea | I |
| 19:17.30 | spetrea | I've a problem with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:17.36 | spetrea | I made a package using dh_make |
| 19:17.49 | spetrea | and now I modified some stuff in debian/* |
| 19:17.53 | spetrea | and I want to re-build the package |
| 19:17.58 | spetrea | and I do dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 19:18.03 | spetrea | and I don't get a new .deb |
| 19:18.05 | Bushmills | !enter |
| 19:18.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:18.26 | spetrea | I do stat on the .deb file created and it's the same one as before, althought I have made changes to the files in debian/ |
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| 19:18.42 | spetrea | what am I doing wrong ? |
| 19:20.16 | jelly-home | looking in the wrong place, perhaps? |
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| 19:20.35 | jelly-home | ../ of the source tree |
| 19:20.45 | spetrea | jelly-home: I'm looking in ../ yes |
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| 19:20.57 | jelly-home | what if you remove or move away the old deb |
| 19:21.04 | spetrea | and I see a .deb which should be new, but it's still the old one which is weird |
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| 19:21.17 | spetrea | jelly-home: then it complains that it doesn't have a .deb |
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| 19:25.26 | spetrea | jelly-home: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 19:25.27 | spetrea | ... |
| 19:25.28 | spetrea | dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot fstat file ../libweather-perl_0.05-1_all.deb: No such file or directory |
| 19:25.41 | spetrea | sorry for the samll paste, I tried to keep it small |
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| 19:37.31 | monotux | ok, I'm on wheezy, but flash is srsly lagging, what is it that I'm doing wrong? |
| 19:37.40 | monotux | all this non-configuring of X makes me nervous |
| 19:38.05 | Bushmills | you're free to provide a config file |
| 19:38.56 | wols | monotux: people said earlier today that it was the browser that made flash not work. after switching from iceweasel to something else (I think chromium) it worked better for them |
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| 19:39.05 | wols | also you could try mozilla.debian.net for other versions |
| 19:39.21 | wols | and of course you need to be sure you have adobe flash installed and not gnash |
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| 19:40.05 | monotux | gnash was the very first thing I removed :) |
| 19:40.12 | monotux | I'll try chromium then |
| 19:40.20 | monotux | but on arch linux (in firefox) everything was smooth |
| 19:41.29 | monotux | still lagging in chromium :/ |
| 19:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | is chromium dfsg compliant? |
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| 19:41.48 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it |
| 19:41.52 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's in main. |
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| 19:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | Hum. I thought it did lots of phoning home and reporting your browsing. Which I guess wouldn't affect compliance. |
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| 19:46.32 | monotux | but srsly, I'm used to work with my xorg.conf (or my XF86Config or whatever they were used to be named...) for 1 hour before X works, have I missed something? Like enabling acceleration options etc? |
| 19:47.36 | babilen | monotux: Xorg typically configured itself automagically these days -- If you want us to check your hardware accelleration status paste the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 19:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | monotux: How can we know? |
| 19:48.09 | babilen | !tell monotux -about empty xorg.conf |
| 19:49.45 | monotux | babilen: thanks! |
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| 19:52.16 | zeroproximity1 | where can i get refurbished fuser units for xerox for cheap with good quality? |
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| 19:54.51 | xingu | you know you're had a bit too much unix when... you read "fuser" and your brain free-associdates fuser(1) |
| 19:55.07 | jelly-home | zeroproximity1: uh, try asking ebay or ##hardware? |
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| 19:55.44 | wols | xingu: I guess you're not the only one thinking about that |
| 19:55.46 | jelly-home | thought it was (8) |
| 19:55.47 | monotux | http://paste.debian.net/131262/ <-- glxinfo output |
| 19:56.04 | monotux | what should I be looking for in that? |
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| 20:06.13 | monotux | babilen: any ideas? :) |
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| 20:06.59 | abrotman | jelly-home: isn't there more than one? |
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| 20:08.13 | goose | is ftp.us.debian.org being slow for anyone else? |
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| 20:08.30 | goose | trying to do a fresh netinstall, it's being very very slow |
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| 20:09.05 | abrotman | goose: it's a round-robin .. we'd need the actual IP |
| 20:09.11 | goose | ah |
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| 20:09.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: missing context! |
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| 20:12.03 | RokenP | Hey all - fresh install, I'm getting a warning if I type "gnome-terminal" in a terminal. Can't load modules "atk-bridge" and "gail-gnome". As far as I can tell all packages are installed. Any fix (the terminal opens just fine) - amd64 |
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| 20:15.44 | thewanderer1 | I've just upgraded mysql-server-5.0 to 5.1 and it refuses to start, any ideas? |
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| 20:16.14 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 20:16.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:16.35 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/131265/ based on this would be nice too. |
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| 20:17.31 | jelly-home | what about starting mysqld manually in foreground? |
| 20:18.01 | boudiccas | RokenP; fresh install of what? |
| 20:18.05 | thewanderer1 | hmmm... yeah, [ERROR]... that might be it |
| 20:19.07 | boudiccas | RokenP; squeeze, wheezy, sid? plenty to choose from |
| 20:19.20 | thewanderer1 | now, this: http://paste.debian.net/131266/ and mysql_upgrade can't connect (duh!) since the server is not running (can't start) |
| 20:19.35 | RokenP | Sorry - current testing |
| 20:19.52 | boudiccas | RokenP; so thats sid then? |
| 20:19.56 | RokenP | Netinst on Sunday |
| 20:20.18 | abrotman | RokenP: make sure your system is fully up to date .. |
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| 20:20.23 | abrotman | RokenP: and check the BTS .. |
| 20:20.32 | RokenP | Wheezy |
| 20:20.43 | RokenP | only used safe upgrade since (I don't want x to update |
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| 20:21.18 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: what about, say, starting mysqld manually in foreground (to run the upgrade bit)? |
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| 20:21.29 | abrotman | RokenP: why not? |
| 20:21.39 | RokenP | I need fglrx drivers |
| 20:21.45 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it... catch 22... |
| 20:21.59 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 20:22.11 | abrotman | RokenP: and what? if you want a stable system, use stable .. |
| 20:22.22 | abrotman | RokenP: if you're going to use testing, and only use safe-upgrade .. stuff *will* break |
| 20:22.23 | boudiccas | RokenP; you'll probably get more support for your wheezy box over on irc.oftc.net #debian-next as this channel only really supports squeeze |
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| 20:22.35 | abrotman | boudiccas: not true at all .. stop saying that please |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | i don't know how that got started, but it's not true |
| 20:22.52 | abrotman | has a good idea |
| 20:23.00 | boudiccas | it isnt? i thought that was the case, but i stand corrected then |
| 20:23.00 | RokenP | abrotman, Well, is it true that latest X breaks fglrx |
| 20:23.26 | RokenP | Suppose I could clonezilla it and try :) |
| 20:23.30 | abrotman | RokenP: then don't use Testing .. stable exists for people that don't want things to change |
| 20:24.10 | thewanderer1 | hmmmmm, the config file had "skip-bdb" which fubar'd the daemon start. I wonder why no postinst scripts detected that? :P |
| 20:24.55 | boudiccas | abrotman; should this channels topic be amended then in view of what you've just told me, as it states what i said? |
| 20:24.59 | abrotman | boudiccas: someone started that rumor .. and it's not true .. #debian-next is a specialized place for that type of support just like #debianppc exists, but people can ask questions here |
| 20:25.16 | abrotman | boudiccas: it doesn't force you to leave .. |
| 20:25.30 | abrotman | boudiccas: the topic used to mention #ubuntu too .. didn't stop people ... |
| 20:25.44 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 20:26.48 | RokenP | I'd like to get to fully updated testing again (I was fully updated on LMDE until fglrx died uncerimoniously) - which I'm sure is something to do with Mint repositories. Drivers are currently working fine here. / is only 8 Gb so backup is no big problem. I'll give it a go and call back if I still have the problem afterwards |
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| 20:27.10 | abrotman | RokenP: are you using Mint or Debian ? |
| 20:27.15 | RokenP | Now - debian |
| 20:27.43 | boudiccas | RokenP; so what has mint got to do with it? i'm puzzled |
| 20:28.04 | RokenP | I was responding to the suggestion of using stable - pointing out that I'm used to using testing |
| 20:28.18 | thewanderer1 | can anyone give me an /etc/init.d/mysql md5sum from Squeeze? |
| 20:28.36 | thewanderer1 | from mysql-server-5.1 |
| 20:29.11 | thewanderer1 | also... Sep 20 20:27:00 vm-mysql /etc/mysql/debian-start[23621]: WARNING: mysql.user contains 2 root accounts without password! -- ain't that cool... O.o |
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| 20:29.34 | DasEi1 | thewanderer1: ea6d050ac82ed69d01970f9b95ab9b9d |
| 20:29.52 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
| 20:29.54 | zykotick9 | thewanderer1, DasEi1 i got the same sum as well |
| 20:30.01 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 20:30.24 | RokenP | maybe back tomorrow guys. Thanks |
| 20:30.26 | thewanderer1 | now I only need to figure out this root account thing |
| 20:30.37 | abrotman | RokenP: what is your video card? |
| 20:30.49 | RokenP | HD4670 |
| 20:31.28 | RokenP | don't suggest radeon driver - it's too slow |
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| 20:31.32 | abrotman | RokenP: i know people think that Testing is for daily use .. but in reality, things break ... Periods of stability give it the illusion of being stable, when in fact, it is not |
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| 20:32.05 | RokenP | abrotman, I know - don't panic, I'm well used to troubleshooting and fixing, but this one has me stumped (up to now) |
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| 20:32.33 | DasEi1 | thewanderer1: man mysqladmin |
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| 20:33.27 | RokenP | OK - gotta fix up some udev rules, then I'll try the backup and full dist-upgrade, see how I go on |
| 20:33.32 | thewanderer1 | DasEi1: I'm still not sure how it would help me find out why I have root accounts without passwords |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | RokenP: i'd try a full-upgrade probaby |
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| 20:34.15 | RokenP | So long as I have my safety net in place, I'm happy enough :) |
| 20:34.28 | DasEi1 | thewanderer1: sure, but you can for now least either delete those or givem them passwords |
| 20:34.48 | thewanderer1 | I wonder how they got here in the first place |
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| 20:35.52 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
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| 20:37.03 | thewanderer1 | does it seem normal that I have a root user for 127.0.0.1 without password set? |
| 20:37.31 | Section58 | hello, i am getting 'no space' errors from nano and shorewall as it trys to make temp files. but df says i have space. The box has been rebooted. http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1143222546 |
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| 20:37.49 | Section58 | Is there a better way to debug that ? |
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| 20:38.13 | thewanderer1 | Section58: does "df -i" say that you have free space as well? |
| 20:38.42 | Section58 | no, thats totatlly full |
| 20:38.44 | Section58 | thank you |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | thewanderer1: that is nomral |
| 20:38.53 | Section58 | googles Inodes |
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| 20:39.35 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: well, ok... so this user can't log on? (in my testing he couldn't... but in theory) |
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| 20:40.00 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i didn't say that ... |
| 20:40.02 | yctn | chown that is the commadn to change the owner of a directory am i right? |
| 20:40.18 | thewanderer1 | should I delete it? looks like a security risk to me O.o |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | thewanderer1: AIUI .. the mysql in Debian defaults to allow root to connect over localhost |
| 20:40.33 | abrotman | that said .. you sohuld be using pgsql :) |
| 20:40.46 | thewanderer1 | oh come on, I have a mysql-dependant app :P |
| 20:41.12 | thewanderer1 | I thought I changed the localhost password, but the 127.0.0.1 user is still there... I'll change his password too |
| 20:41.26 | MrMind | I'm running a minimal install of Debian on a laptop without gui ofc and the screen never goes completly to sleep, it become black after a while but it's still lightning, can I completly put the screen in some sleepmode or turn it off? |
| 20:41.35 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you'd have to flushprivs or whatever ... |
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| 20:42.38 | boudiccas | abrotman; that sounds faintly indecent, flushprivs! |
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| 20:44.25 | RhanisRho | trying to get sound working on a laptop, anyone offer some help? |
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| 20:45.06 | thewanderer1 | I'd like to see a reason behind having not one but two entries for root by default, both for local access... O.o |
| 20:45.10 | RhanisRho | speaker-test gives some weird sound out of front left, but then never moves over to the other speakers. |
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| 20:45.24 | RhanisRho | I tried to run alsaconf but couldn't find it |
| 20:45.25 | pipeline | RhanisRho: get a usb sound card |
| 20:45.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:45.55 | thewanderer1 | RhanisRho: have you chosen an snd-intel-hda model, as described somewhere in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base ? |
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| 20:46.04 | pipeline | RhanisRho: there are about ten thousand variants of intel audio for laptops. They all use pretty much the same handful of chips, but how the analogue switches/inputs/outputs correspond to physical switches/speakers/jacks varies pretty widely. |
| 20:46.20 | pipeline | RhanisRho: so if your laptop is pretty new, odds are that it's going to be a pain in your ass. |
| 20:46.26 | RhanisRho | laptop is old |
| 20:46.30 | RhanisRho | celeron M |
| 20:46.46 | pipeline | if it's old then it should have "just worked" and thewanderer's advice is likely to pan out for you |
| 20:47.00 | RhanisRho | i don't know how to choose a snd-intel-hda model |
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| 20:48.49 | RhanisRho | what do I do? |
| 20:49.33 | thewanderer1 | RhanisRho: the basics of the model setting are described in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio.txt.gz (you might want to search for "model=", then see the HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz for a list |
| 20:50.09 | RhanisRho | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 20:50.24 | RhanisRho | i don't get it |
| 20:50.24 | thewanderer1 | oh hmm, might not even be Intel HDA then. |
| 20:51.39 | Aleuck | hello. I need some help here configuring the tty's resolution to 1280x768 on grub |
| 20:51.48 | RhanisRho | So what do I do now? |
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| 20:52.59 | thewanderer1 | you could try writing this line: "options snd-hda-intel model=auto" (without the quotes) to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-fix.conf |
| 20:53.12 | aussa | I'm trying to install debian from a usb stick, I tried this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#ftn.id447813 and non of the options worked, is it the netinst or the business version? any suggestions? |
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| 20:53.14 | thewanderer1 | should get picked up by modprobe |
| 20:53.53 | RhanisRho | thewanderer1: then what? |
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| 20:54.25 | thewanderer1 | RhanisRho: easiest would be to reboot after that and see if it gets better, I think |
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| 20:57.27 | RhanisRho_ | thewanderer1: that did it |
| 20:57.35 | b_jonas | hello. how long will security updates to lenny be supported? is there an announcement about that yet? |
| 20:57.36 | RhanisRho_ | can you explain to me what you did so I can learn from this? |
| 20:57.45 | Aleuck | hello.. how do I change de tty resolution? |
| 20:58.05 | RhanisRho_ | thewanderer1: and there's no master in alsamixer, how do I fix that? |
| 20:58.08 | thewanderer1 | RhanisRho_: I typed your audio card model into DuckDuckGo (web search engine), ended up on Ubuntu Forums and found a fix... :P |
| 20:58.17 | thewanderer1 | about the lack of master, I don't know |
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| 20:58.33 | thewanderer1 | maybe PCM control will be enough for you :P |
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| 20:58.45 | RhanisRho_ | thewanderer1: duckduckgo? |
| 20:58.54 | thewanderer1 | yes, no Google for me :P |
| 20:59.17 | RhanisRho_ | i don't get it |
| 20:59.18 | RhanisRho_ | why? |
| 21:00.12 | amphi | scroogle? |
| 21:00.55 | MrFrood | because ddg rocks! |
| 21:01.09 | daveo | +1 dckdckgo |
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| 21:02.11 | RhanisRho_ | but I could have just used google |
| 21:02.13 | babilen | monotux: (afk now) -- You have hardware acceleration (direct rendering: Yes + OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2) |
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| 21:03.55 | thewanderer1 | RhanisRho_: of course. you asked what I did, though. :P |
| 21:04.19 | b_jonas | uh huh, I found some information about my question on the debian website |
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| 21:04.45 | b_jonas | it says support for oldstable is usually up to one year or until it would become oldoldstable, whichever is earlier |
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| 21:04.54 | b_jonas | but this can change and isn't promised for the future |
| 21:05.00 | b_jonas | so the short answer is, we don't know yet |
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| 21:06.06 | DexterF | hi |
| 21:06.20 | RhanisRho_ | well anyway thanks for the help |
| 21:06.22 | RhanisRho_ | ciao |
| 21:06.37 | somiaj | b_jonas: note if you keep up with the DSA no reason why you can't use oldoldstable, you just lack debian's security fixes and have to apply them yourself. |
| 21:06.40 | DexterF | how do I change a vfat formatted usb drive's label? |
| 21:07.29 | b_jonas | DexterF: there's a 'dosfslabel' program, read its manpage |
| 21:08.00 | DexterF | b_jonas: thanks! |
| 21:08.05 | somiaj | DexterF: look at the dosfstools package, it contains many tools for vfat/fat32/fat16 etc file systems |
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| 21:08.11 | spal | DexterF, mlabel -i /dev/sdb1 ::Foo |
| 21:08.12 | b_jonas | somiaj: I see |
| 21:08.26 | spal | DexterF, the command comes from 'mtools' package. |
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| 21:08.50 | somiaj | b_jonas: yea debian doesn't take down the repos (just use archive.debian.org) until they are oldoldoldoldoldstable, the security team just stops fixing bugs/security holes |
| 21:09.08 | b_jonas | somiaj: I would actually like to upgrade to squeeze from lenny actually, but for some reasons it will take some time before I'll do that, and I'd like to know how urgent it is |
| 21:09.20 | spal | DexterF, /dev/sdb1 is of course an example there. You'll need to change it. If you are formatting afresh, you can set the label while formatting: mkdosfs -v -F 32 -n Foo /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:09.31 | DexterF | all done already |
| 21:09.35 | b_jonas | and I know they don't take it down: I've actually changed the sources.list on one machine that was still running etch when it was moved to archives |
| 21:10.00 | somiaj | b_jonas: that is why debian gives at least a year of support, to allow time for people to figure out upgrades and what not. |
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| 21:10.20 | DexterF | mlabel wanted a dos drive name and I would have had to change /etc/mtools.conf each time i plugged another usb drive |
| 21:10.22 | somiaj | unforntally with time limits, and dates, when its ready is the standard debian answer. |
| 21:10.24 | b_jonas | somiaj: one year should be enough, but is wheezy is released earlier then it's less than one year |
| 21:10.40 | b_jonas | somiaj: so if wheezy was released yesterday, then lenny would likely be no longer supported |
| 21:10.45 | somiaj | b_jonas: there is no way wheezy is comming out this year, gnome3 is going to take a while to get stable. |
| 21:10.47 | b_jonas | s/yesterday/tomorrow/ |
| 21:10.59 | b_jonas | it depends on gnome3? |
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| 21:11.24 | somiaj | gnome3 is going to be one of the many DE's they make avaiable. The plan is to include it and gnome3 is already slowy migrating into testing |
| 21:11.33 | daveo | debian called for all devs to submit changes, ready for next release |
| 21:11.33 | b_jonas | I mean, didn't they also say the last ubuntu wanted to wait for btrfs to be stable? |
| 21:11.47 | b_jonas | somiaj: I see |
| 21:12.25 | b_jonas | well, I also have a question about this particular upgrade being complicated, but I'm not sure I want to ask it right now |
| 21:12.37 | somiaj | b_jonas: they may change that plan (I think its a little agressive) but it will just make for a long freezing process. Ubuntu using a different release schedule that they try to stick to more than release goals. |
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| 21:14.03 | b_jonas | somiaj: it was just an idea. I don't think they'll stick to it |
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| 21:14.54 | daveo | speaking of ubuntu is unity gnome3 or something on top of gnome? |
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| 21:15.29 | daveo | just lots of complaining about unity on the airwaves |
| 21:16.45 | b_jonas | so anyway, I have this machine currently running lenny that I want to eventually upgrade to squeeze. there are two obstacles for this, but I'm asking about only one of them now. it's that the access (mostly file creation) on the root fs on this machine is currently very slow, |
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| 21:17.51 | somiaj | I know ext4 is supose to be faster than ext3, but not sure if that is the problem...could it be the dma speed of the hd b_jonas ? |
| 21:17.58 | b_jonas | I blame xfs for it because that's what the root fs is using. for this reason, I'll want to migrate the root fs to another file system before I run the upgrade, because the way it is now, a full upgrade to squeeze would take days. |
| 21:18.46 | b_jonas | I could upgrade from xfs to ext3 or reiser, but I know I eventually want to run ext4, and changing the fs twice seems ugly. However, I can't directly change to ext4 because I need a newer kernel for that. |
| 21:18.56 | somiaj | I don't think there is an easy way to change from xfs to ext4 without creating a new partition/filesystem to copy your install to. Could you just backup and reinstall (as opposed to upgrading) |
| 21:19.09 | b_jonas | somiaj: I can create a new partition and copy all of it. |
| 21:19.31 | b_jonas | the root fs for this machine is small and we have plenty of hard disk space. |
| 21:19.39 | b_jonas | only, I don't want to change the fs twice. |
| 21:19.42 | somiaj | b_jonas: you might find it far easier to just create a new partition, install a fresh squeeze install then copy over configs/data/etc from the old install (as opposed to an upgrade) |
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| 21:20.19 | b_jonas | my question is whether there's a simple way to upgrade the kernel only to the kernel distributed with squeeze, without having to upgrade too much else. |
| 21:20.27 | somiaj | b_jonas: backports |
| 21:20.46 | b_jonas | somiaj: you can upgrade the kernel from backports? that's news to me |
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| 21:20.50 | uuplatina | what is the difference between "xfsdump -J -s ew_gpfs -s ew_media - /mnt/media1 | xfsrestore -J - /mnt/media2" and just copying "ew_gpfs" "ew_media" from /mnt/media1 to /mnt/media2 |
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| 21:21.03 | somiaj | b_jonas: the sqeueeze kernel has been backported to lenny in lenny-backports |
| 21:21.11 | b_jonas | that's great |
| 21:21.16 | b_jonas | I'll look at that |
| 21:21.19 | b_jonas | thanks for the idea |
| 21:21.31 | somiaj | b_jonas: note backports may not get secuity fixes, but for this it could work. But still with the other issues you may run into why are you avoiding a fresh install? |
| 21:21.34 | compgenius999 | guys, would there be a way to configure my debian to attempt to connect on ethernet and wifi every 5 minutes if either of them aren't connected? |
| 21:22.05 | somiaj | compgenius999: you could write some script to work with the interfaces file, but most would probabaly just use network-manager or wicd |
| 21:22.59 | b_jonas | somiaj: this is a xen virtual machine where the host is managed by a system administrator, so I can't start a fresh install without bothering him too much. I have to bother him some anyway, but a fresh install would be much more work. |
| 21:23.03 | b_jonas | for him, taht is. |
| 21:23.16 | b_jonas | Even migrating the filesystem twice would be easier |
| 21:23.21 | b_jonas | for both him and for me. |
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| 21:23.41 | somiaj | b_jonas: awe, and here is hoping you could just use deboostrap, make a new xen image and upload it to him |
| 21:23.48 | compgenius999 | somiaj it's annoying me, for whatever reason it seems like the USB ports on this machine suck so much that my wifi doesn't work, at all |
| 21:24.11 | b_jonas | somiaj: for that I'd have to familiarize myself with xen too. |
| 21:24.12 | compgenius999 | it tells me that it paired fine with my AP, and that it got an IP and everything, but then I can't connect to it at all, or ping from the box |
| 21:24.30 | somiaj | compgenius999: network-manager has an option to renew/automically bring up interfaces, just put allow-hotplug <interface> as well |
| 21:24.30 | compgenius999 | so I end up rebooting it, because I plugged an eth cable in to change things |
| 21:24.31 | compgenius999 | T_T |
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| 21:24.46 | b_jonas | and even if I made a fresh install, I think he has made some magical settings on it that only he knows about. |
| 21:24.52 | somiaj | b_jonas: you also have to look for -xen kernels, hopefully there is one in backport. |
| 21:25.32 | b_jonas | somiaj: yes, the admin said I will have to look at the -xen kernels, though I still don't understand why: |
| 21:25.44 | b_jonas | the -xen kernels are for xen hosts, not for xen guests. |
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| 21:27.39 | somiaj | the package description says its for both. |
| 21:27.47 | somiaj | dom0 (host) and domU (guest) |
| 21:28.09 | b_jonas | ah, so that's what it means... |
| 21:28.14 | b_jonas | hmm |
| 21:28.25 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#DomU_.28guests.29-2 |
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| 21:28.57 | uuplatina | what is the difference between "xfsdump -J -s ew_gpfs -s ew_media - /mnt/media1 | xfsrestore -J - /mnt/media2" and just copying "ew_gpfs" "ew_media" from /mnt/media1 to /mnt/media2 |
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| 21:29.27 | b_jonas | so if I used one of these kernels from backports (there's no -xen one by the way), will it generate an initrd at install time like squeeze does, or does it come with an initrd in the binary like lenny does? |
| 21:29.55 | b_jonas | also, it seems the backports has kernels from sid, not from squeeze |
| 21:30.20 | b_jonas | or maybe both? |
| 21:30.50 | b_jonas | no, it seems all the ones I find are newer than squeeze's kernels |
| 21:31.16 | b_jonas | but thanks for the hint nevertheless, it's definitely useful to know that backports has kernels |
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| 21:34.27 | compgenius999 | guys, does anyone know why I can't access my debian install from another PC via SSH? for some reason my debian install is ignoring all packets to it on the wifi address (192.168.1.48), I can access the address from the actual debian setup, but I can't access the address from anywhere else |
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| 21:37.43 | DasEi1 | compgenius999: passauth enabled ? right port ? no hindering firewall ? right subnet/FQDN ? |
| 21:38.26 | compgenius999 | DasEi1 iptable is empty, my windows firewall is fine, I can ssh to it on my ethernet private network 192.168.0.83 |
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| 21:38.32 | compgenius999 | but not on its wireless IP 192.168.1.48 |
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| 21:39.14 | compgenius999 | PING 192.168.1.48 (192.168.1.48) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.1.48: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.071 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.48: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.051 ms |
| 21:39.32 | compgenius999 | C:\Users\Chris>ping 192.168.1.48 Pinging 192.168.1.48 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 192.168.1.84: Destination host unreachable. |
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| 21:42.43 | b_jonas | compgenius999: so what error do you get if you try to connect ssh through wifi? |
| 21:43.47 | uuplatina | what is the difference between "xfsdump -J -s ew_gpfs -s ew_media - /mnt/media1 | xfsrestore -J - /mnt/media2" and just copying "ew_gpfs" "ew_media" from /mnt/media1 to /mnt/media2 |
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| 21:44.43 | compgenius999 | b_jonas basically, I can ssh into its ethernet IP, but not into its wifi IP |
| 21:45.00 | compgenius999 | its wifi IP seems to just blatantly drop my packets |
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| 21:46.27 | b_jonas | compgenius999: so what happens if you try to ssh in through wifi? |
| 21:47.14 | compgenius999 | b_jonas well, I'm in it right now, that's how I'm checking everything |
| 21:47.14 | compgenius999 | ethernet* |
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| 21:47.30 | compgenius999 | b_jonas if I try to ssh into its wifi, I just end up with a timed out or host unreachable |
| 21:47.35 | somiaj | some wifi drivers are just buggy, mine does the same thing if I don't use my wifi connenction for a while I have to wait a second for it to communicate to the ap...:/ |
| 21:47.59 | somiaj | compgenius999: every time, can you ping it until you get some packates back and then ssh in at that time? |
| 21:48.30 | compgenius999 | somiaj it seems a bit strange how the debian box can happily ping 192.168.1.48 (it should go through the gateway right?) |
| 21:48.35 | compgenius999 | yet it's completely ignoring me |
| 21:48.54 | solar_sea | Using the new, dependency based boot sequencing, how do I remove a script from starting in all run levels ? |
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| 21:49.06 | compgenius999 | somiaj I haven't gotten any errors in dmesg saying that I got d/c'd from my AP |
| 21:49.09 | somiaj | compgenius999: I accredit my issues (though they are very rare and always fix themselves with 5-10seconds of pints) to faulty wireless drivers.. |
| 21:49.12 | compgenius999 | i'm still seeing link established |
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| 21:49.29 | compgenius999 | [ 322.212971] wlan0: direct probe to AP 00:14:a4:6c:da:2e (try 1) |
| 21:49.29 | compgenius999 | [ 322.224261] wlan0: direct probe responded |
| 21:49.29 | compgenius999 | [ 322.224271] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:14:a4:6c:da:2e (try 1) |
| 21:49.29 | compgenius999 | [ 322.227214] wlan0: authenticated |
| 21:49.29 | compgenius999 | [ 322.227262] wlan0: associate with AP 00:14:a4:6c:da:2e (try 1) |
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| 21:49.35 | compgenius999 | sorry |
| 21:49.39 | compgenius999 | oops... |
| 21:50.42 | compgenius999 | somiaj http://paste.debian.net/131278/ |
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| 21:52.03 | compgenius999 | somiaj any ideas? |
| 21:52.30 | somiaj | compgenius999: what wireless card/module? |
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| 21:52.44 | compgenius999 | somiaj prism54 with isl3887usb firmware |
| 21:52.54 | compgenius999 | it's always been a great driver and has worked fine with most other distros |
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| 21:53.25 | somiaj | compgenius999: compare kernel versions, you are running the squeeze 2.6.32 kernel? |
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| 21:53.46 | compgenius999 | Linux derpian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:51:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:54.17 | compgenius999 | somiaj I've used the driver on old versions of ubuntu with the same kernel, and I've used it with 3.0 kernels etc. |
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| 21:54.25 | compgenius999 | well module/firmware* |
| 21:54.47 | somiaj | compgenius999: well my guess its the module, I find recent kernels bette for wireless, try the backported 2.6.39 kernel |
| 21:55.04 | somiaj | compgenius999: also compare the firmware you have to the most recent firmware, maybe you could get a firmware update |
| 21:55.18 | compgenius999 | no not really, the firmware is rather old, but compatible |
| 21:56.02 | compgenius999 | i'll try the backported kernel anyway |
| 21:56.22 | somiaj | well I'm just saying what are the thigns i've ran across. You can either say that isn't the issue, or try and see if a newer kernel + newer firmware fixes the issue. I don't think debianis doing anything to time out |
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| 21:56.48 | somiaj | my wireless driver is so finky if i'm not careful it crashes my 3.0 kernel....:/ |
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| 21:58.07 | compgenius999 | somiaj what's the name of the backported kernel? I've added backports to my sources, and did an aptitude update, didn't see naything in aptitude search kernel |
| 21:58.49 | DexterF | can I replace mesa 7.10 in testing with a simple backport from sid's 7.11 just like that or am I ruining dependencies I haven't even heard of? |
| 21:58.50 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 21:58.57 | DexterF | libdrm? kernel perhaps? |
| 21:59.21 | somiaj | compgenius999: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.39 (I belive that is the backported one -- grab the one for your system) |
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| 22:00.06 | somiaj | DexterF: sometimes testing/sid are close so you could first look and see if you satisfy the dependencies of the sid package, if not yes making your own backport is the best way. |
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| 22:00.47 | compgenius999 | somiaj http://paste.debian.net/131280/ |
| 22:00.54 | compgenius999 | T_T |
| 22:01.23 | DexterF | somiaj: how do I check if a sid src's deps are matched? |
| 22:02.12 | compgenius999 | oh, wait, I got it |
| 22:02.17 | compgenius999 | had to -t squeeze-backports |
| 22:02.31 | somiaj | DexterF: packages.debian.org/<pkg name> look at the depends (though that can be a pain) -- you could add a sid repo (pin it down) and install it and if it pulls in other sid packages you stop...or just backport to be safe |
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| 22:05.42 | TheDeathOfRats | Having some issues with apache2 and php5, both the server and the mod are installed, but the browser still downloads .php files. Any ideas? |
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| 22:06.23 | compgenius999 | TheDeathOfRats you might need to configure mime-types |
| 22:06.37 | themill | dpkg: tell TheDeathOfRats about php wants me to download still |
| 22:06.40 | compgenius999 | to make sure php is being handled by PHP rather than thought of as any old file |
| 22:06.52 | themill | TheDeathOfRats: most of the time, that's your browser lying to you |
| 22:07.31 | TheDeathOfRats | themill: Thanks, I've done this dozens of times and never had that issue before, bloody chrome! |
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| 22:10.26 | compgenius999 | somiaj no that didn't help at all |
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| 22:10.35 | compgenius999 | it's made my boot times longer... and it still doesn't work |
| 22:10.36 | DexterF | somiaj: well, the backport worked ok - if deps were not met it would not have, I guess |
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| 22:11.41 | somiaj | DexterF: that isn't how deps work |
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| 22:11.52 | somiaj | DexterF: depeds are usually something like you libX of version >= Y |
| 22:12.19 | somiaj | compgenius999: try to get the newest firmware |
| 22:12.28 | compgenius999 | somiaj this is the newest firmware -_- |
| 22:12.31 | somiaj | compgenius999: again this is just where I think the issue is going to be kerne/firmware |
| 22:12.45 | DexterF | somiaj: ill just install them and see if allgoes up in smoke |
| 22:12.52 | compgenius999 | it works fine on kernel 3.1 on my arch install, and works fine on the latest ubuntu kernel, and the same firmware I've used on ancient ubuntu installs |
| 22:12.55 | somiaj | DexterF: so the reason you backport is you have version Z of a package Z < Y but the binary requires version >= Y |
| 22:13.27 | somiaj | DexterF: so its not that you don't have the depends, it is that you have a different version. So the reason you make a backport is to complile the package to depend on the version you have. |
| 22:13.57 | DexterF | somiaj: actually I make that backport because I need latest mesa... |
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| 22:14.02 | compgenius999 | somiaj so far, upgrading the kernel has just completely killed my ability to connect at all, it's just refusing to pair now -_- |
| 22:14.03 | somiaj | compgenius999: then figure out what arch/ubuntu is doing differently. diff the actuall firmware, check the configs. |
| 22:14.25 | compgenius999 | actually arch and ubuntu don't ship with the firmware, I just copy the firmware from my flash drive |
| 22:14.27 | compgenius999 | and it works, |
| 22:14.53 | compgenius999 | somiaj http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 |
| 22:14.59 | compgenius999 | it's even said to be supported fine in the debian wiki |
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| 22:15.47 | Ergo^ | hey are there any news on gnome 3 landing in testing ? |
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| 22:16.27 | somiaj | Ergo^: its plan is to be in wheezy before the release, I've seen a few packages migrate, but it just means gnome in testing my break a lot for the next few months. (: |
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| 22:16.52 | somiaj | Ergo^: different parts are spread across experiementa/sid/testing and are droping into testing slowly as the bugs get worked out. |
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| 22:18.34 | compgenius999 | somiaj http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54usb under second generation ISL3887, I've followed the guide and yet I'm still having issues |
| 22:19.07 | somiaj | Ergo^: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 22:19.45 | somiaj | compgenius999: I gave you my suggestion, all I can say is keep googling, playing around until you figure it out. |
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| 22:24.21 | aussa | can I connect to a WPA2 network during debian installation? |
| 22:24.41 | themill | aussa: [22:58] <Black_Prince> no |
| 22:25.02 | compgenius999 | i'm going to have to give up with this soon, it's just not working |
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| 22:26.30 | aussa | do I need internet connection during debian installation? |
| 22:27.23 | compgenius999 | aussa only if you're doing a net install |
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| 22:28.18 | Iridos | aussa, you can install a base system from the installer CD and then install everything from that (but it's easier with internet connection) |
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| 22:28.35 | themill | aussa: you need an internet connection to download packages either prior to the installation, during it or after it. |
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| 22:29.39 | Iridos | themill, actually, one can get the full DVD archive by mail, hence the answer would be "no", I guess :D |
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| 22:31.15 | Black_Prince | Connection can always be setup after minimal installation without problems (unless firmware required or unless using businesscard iso) |
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| 22:32.15 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 22:33.08 | man_in_shack | what does it mean when splashy says "Connection refused"? |
| 22:33.09 | i-was-fedora | hi , i have a problem dealing with some of my (iso) file types over my (hard disk) ... i don't know what happened , but now they are read as (data) by the file utility ....not able to mount them or extract files from them .. any suggestions ?? |
| 22:33.18 | man_in_shack | i'm getting that on boot from the initrd |
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| 22:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | man_in_shack: Possibly splashy is having trouble connecting to the framebuffer? |
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| 22:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | man_in_shack: Do you get the splashy graphics or the boot log? |
| 22:35.18 | Black_Prince | splashy? Isn't that obsolete? |
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| 22:35.56 | man_in_shack | boot log for most of it ... splashy comes up on during init |
| 22:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions splashy |
| 22:36.08 | judd | Package splashy on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.13-3+lenny1; sid: 0.3.13-5.1+b1; wheezy: 0.3.13-5.1+b1 |
| 22:36.27 | jhutchins_lt | wheezy but not squeeze. |
| 22:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | man_in_shack: What relase? |
| 22:36.45 | man_in_shack | sid |
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| 22:37.17 | dknight | using parallel is it possible to run two commands that are completely unrelated, say ping and host and cat a file? |
| 22:37.21 | jhutchins_lt | man_in_shack: Well, there ya go, that kind of behavior is to be expected. You should be following the devel mailing lists or wherever they discuss sid status. |
| 22:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | dknight: parallel? |
| 22:38.38 | thewanderer1 | I guess he means GNU parallel |
| 22:38.41 | man_in_shack | i don't subscribe to the "sid is broken so it's your fault" view |
| 22:39.01 | Iridos | i-was-fedora, file looks at the magic byte of the files... so if those isos ever worked and were recognized properly, the beginning of the file must have been overwritten |
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| 22:39.10 | dknight | jhutchins_lt: yeah gnu parallel? |
| 22:39.20 | man_in_shack | if no one used sid, nothing would get fixed |
| 22:39.39 | Iridos | man_in_shack, sure... in testing :) |
| 22:39.47 | i-was-fedora | Iridos: hoe to rescue data , if possible ? |
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| 22:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: sid being pre-testing. |
| 22:40.25 | Iridos | i-was-fedora, depends on what happened to the file... also depends on what data... |
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| 22:40.32 | man_in_shack | points at wheezy having the same package as sid |
| 22:40.58 | jhutchins_lt | dknight: What package is it in? |
| 22:41.01 | diegoviola | how do i add/remove services such as ssh to start/stop at boot? |
| 22:41.18 | diegoviola | and where do i configure network interfaces? i believe there's a script in /etc for that? |
| 22:41.21 | jhutchins_lt | diegoviola: rcconf, chkconfig |
| 22:41.26 | jhutchins_lt | !interfaces |
| 22:41.26 | diegoviola | ty |
| 22:41.26 | dknight | jhutchins_lt: I don't know. It is a gnu tool. that is all I know |
| 22:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: interfaces? |
| 22:42.00 | thewanderer1 | dknight: reading the manual is highly advised |
| 22:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | taps dpkg's case with a spanner... |
| 22:42.03 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 22:42.10 | Iridos | oi |
| 22:42.16 | Iridos | botlalalalag |
| 22:42.22 | themill | man_in_shack: so what has changed since it last worked? |
| 22:42.24 | diegoviola | thanks |
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| 22:43.09 | dknight | thewanderer1: I tried reading it and it was a bit confusing. it works more like piping as per the manuals. |
| 22:43.25 | Iridos | !tell diegoviola -about update-rc.d |
| 22:43.34 | i-was-fedora | Iridos: nothing specialto the files , just a new system install ... on another partition , files are completely untouched :( |
| 22:43.53 | thewanderer1 | dknight: that's what I understand from it too :P |
| 22:43.54 | i-was-fedora | Iridos : just some ISOs containing videos and photos for me& friends and original CDs ard heavily damaged |
| 22:43.57 | diegoviola | Iridos: thanks |
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| 22:44.18 | thewanderer1 | dknight: why would you want to run unrelated commands with GNU parallel, though? |
| 22:44.44 | dknight | thewanderer1: I want to run two tasks simultaneously like we do in threads |
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| 22:45.03 | man_in_shack | themill: that's a good question |
| 22:45.33 | thewanderer1 | dknight: well, you can use & to put an operation in the background. or maybe the shell is not the right tool for you at all... |
| 22:45.43 | Iridos | i-was-fedora, who know what you copied... well, for photos/videos, try magicrescue ... you may need to configure/adapt it for the types of files you search for, so it's good to have files of exactly the same type around (like from the same digital camera) to test if it can find those |
| 22:46.18 | Iridos | dknight, command1 & command2 & command3 & |
| 22:46.57 | dknight | Iridos, thewanderer1 : okay |
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| 22:47.17 | dknight | Iridos, thewanderer1 : thank you |
| 22:47.36 | dknight | Iridos, thewanderer1 : I have used this earlier but had forgotten. |
| 22:47.59 | i-was-fedora | Iridos: i'll try that .... thanks in advance :) |
| 22:48.51 | man_in_shack | adding video driver to initramfs is probably a good idea |
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| 22:51.30 | man_in_shack | ok, so now i can see a new error |
| 22:51.45 | man_in_shack | splashy is trying to call depmod, which doesn't exist in the initramfs |
| 22:51.54 | man_in_shack | *initrd |
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| 22:54.32 | compgenius999 | guys, is there any easy way to temporarily boot something with grub2? since it seems debian doesn't like you editing grub.cfg, instead it just completely ignores your entry |
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| 22:56.33 | man_in_shack | uh |
| 22:56.36 | themill | compgenius999: "man grub-reboot" |
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| 22:57.33 | man_in_shack | if you modify /boot/grub/grub.cfg, then the next time you run update-grub it will overwrite your changes |
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| 23:02.02 | compgenius999 | man_in_shack http://paste.pocoo.org/show/479526/ |
| 23:02.14 | compgenius999 | it's right there... yet grub seems to just ignore the entry |
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| 23:02.17 | compgenius999 | and skip right past it |
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| 23:02.43 | compgenius999 | oh... i just realized they're supposed to be curly braces |
| 23:02.50 | man_in_shack | and there you go |
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| 23:02.57 | man_in_shack | isn't there a grub check config tool? |
| 23:02.58 | compgenius999 | looked like normal brackets in putty >_> |
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| 23:04.13 | man_in_shack | you need a better font for putty then |
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| 23:04.42 | compgenius999 | anyway, testing grub-reboot out now... might work this time |
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| 23:05.20 | compgenius999 | no i don't think it helped... still booted the ordinary kernel T_T |
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| 23:07.25 | man_in_shack | ok, i added depmod to the initrd and it didn't help |
| 23:07.27 | man_in_shack | still getting "Connection refused" |
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| 23:15.35 | jason404 | I have an app which disappeared. I came home to find it no longer running |
| 23:15.46 | jason404 | which log file might tell me what happened to it? |
| 23:16.00 | jason404 | (it does not make its own logs) |
| 23:16.04 | compgenius999 | jason404 check dmesg for out of memory errors |
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| 23:16.37 | compgenius999 | if the kernel decides the system is out of memory, it generally likes to kill whatever process is eating the most to prevent the system from crashing |
| 23:17.09 | jason404 | compgenius999: I see. That seems quite likely on this system |
| 23:17.33 | compgenius999 | if you don't see anything in dmesg, just search around /var/log |
| 23:17.49 | compgenius999 | anyway i'm off to bed |
| 23:18.44 | jason404 | compgenius999: okay, thanks |
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| 23:19.57 | jason404 | it seems to have did a segfault, whatever that is |
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| 23:24.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | jason404: also look at .xsession-errors |
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| 23:25.17 | jason404 | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, but I'm not using X - it's a GUI-less vps |
| 23:25.41 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 23:26.16 | man_in_shack | does init-top stuff get run before local-premount in initramfs-tools? |
| 23:27.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | jason404: ah, ok :) |
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| 23:50.37 | terr_ | I'm going to be installing into a new desktop soon... I'm debating about using ubuntu but I think I might get better support here. (opinions). Currently I've been running sarge for a few years and its fine... just old in the teeth. Also this will likely be running on a dual P3 MB hopefully tualatin core cpu's over 1 Ghz. I've got a tualatin core 1.3 gHz celron and its fine. So the dual P3's should be at least 2x as fast. Will be usi |
| 23:50.37 | terr_ | VMware and virtual box. |
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