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| 00:18.02 | k-man | anyone know of a program like pwgen but that can generate passwords like the xkcd 4 word pw idea, from the command line? |
| 00:18.32 | rypervenche | k-man: What's wrong with pwgen? |
| 00:18.44 | rypervenche | k-man: I've found pwgen to be the best, with the -s and -y switches. |
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| 00:20.02 | nevyn | rypervenche: he said like the xkcd 4word pw idea. |
| 00:20.14 | k-man | rypervenche, nothing, I like it - but I also like xkcd's different approach to generating passwords, and it would be nice to have a cli tool for doing so |
| 00:20.23 | nevyn | k-man: you could do it with a tiny shell function |
| 00:20.31 | k-man | nevyn, yeah probably |
| 00:20.41 | k-man | there is already a website that offers it |
| 00:21.44 | nevyn | k-man: do I have to explain how bad an idea that is? |
| 00:21.49 | rypervenche | Ooooh, xkcd, I read xfce >< |
| 00:23.00 | nevyn | rypervenche: so "horse battery staple correct" |
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| 00:24.11 | k-man | nevyn, no - but fwiw, I believe it is implemented in client side javascript |
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| 00:24.39 | k-man | nevyn, also, fwiw, I have not used it in anger, i've only used it to look at |
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| 00:25.14 | nevyn | k-man: I figgured that. |
| 00:25.35 | nevyn | k-man: so a random offset in /usr/share/dict/words 4 times should get you what you want |
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| 00:28.46 | k-man | nevyn, yeah, I'm not going to implement it personaly, no time. just wondered if anyone knew of a tool already written |
| 00:28.55 | k-man | but thanks for the pointer |
| 00:29.35 | k-man | nevyn, also, I think it would be worth choosing a list of words that does not contain particles and articles and whatnot like the, a, an, to etc |
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| 00:29.54 | blast_hardcheese | Is the GTK resize grip that was added a couple months back configurable in any way? I'd like them to go away, as they outright break my window manager. |
| 00:30.13 | k-man | I think xkcd's concept came from the Diceware idea for password generating |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: seems like you'd file a bug with your window manaager? |
| 00:30.37 | nevyn | k-man: so grep it to eliminate all words smaller than 8 chars |
| 00:31.03 | k-man | nevyn, :) thanks for the encouragement |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | what is k-man trying to do? |
| 00:31.37 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: I'll probably do that as well, but it doesn't seem like my window manager is under active development, I'm biding my time before I switch to i3. |
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| 00:32.30 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Unfortunately, even when I switch to a better supported window manager, the resize grips are still annoying and obnoxious, I don't know why there isn't some kind of option to disable them |
| 00:32.35 | k-man | abrotman, I'm not trying to do anything, I was just asking if anyone knew of a tool to generate passwords a la xkcd password generator |
| 00:32.39 | blast_hardcheese | They didn't exist at all a couple months ago |
| 00:33.01 | k-man | abrotman, but nevyn is encouraging me to wriute one |
| 00:33.32 | blast_hardcheese | k-man: You should write one that applies proper capitalization, punctuation, and conjugations |
| 00:34.34 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: what is your WM ? |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | k-man: there are password generators .. i don't know what you're referring to with xkcd |
| 00:35.13 | k-man | blast_hardcheese, the whole point of it is that you dont use capitals or punctuation |
| 00:35.35 | k-man | abrotman, http://preshing.com/20110811/xkcd-password-generator |
| 00:35.52 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: wmii |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: seriously? |
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| 00:36.03 | blast_hardcheese | Planning on switching to i3 |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | ion3? |
| 00:36.23 | blast_hardcheese | http://i3wm.org/ |
| 00:37.09 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Also, why "seriously?" |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | seems like ion3? |
| 00:37.38 | abrotman | okay .. says it's not .. |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: good luck! |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | k-man: there are options for password requirements |
| 00:39.32 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: I'm curious why you said "seriously?" when I said I used wmii ;) |
| 00:40.02 | k-man | abrotman, I know about pwgen etc... it was more a general question |
| 00:40.28 | Amarande | abrotman, xkcd has suggested (and gives the math to back it up) that a password consisting of four regular dictionary words strung together is better than the usual "word with numbers" strategy that's normally advised |
| 00:40.36 | nevyn | right. |
| 00:40.43 | nevyn | I'm sure abrotman is aware of this. |
| 00:40.53 | k-man | abrotman, and I find it an interesting idea regarding passwords, particularly for non computer types who, in my experience do not practice good password policy, and tend to end up with just 1-2 passwords for everything due to it being hard to remember passwords |
| 00:41.01 | nevyn | wanders off to write the required 3 line shell function |
| 00:41.23 | zinx | Amarande: depends on the hashing scheme required |
| 00:41.36 | zinx | Amarande: a lot of the older ones only take the first 8 characters of the password |
| 00:41.46 | zinx | (seriously... and no one thought it was a bad idea) |
| 00:41.51 | k-man | I was more asking if a tool existed for the fun and interest of finding such a tool and using it. not because I feel like writing said tool myself (no matter how simple it is) |
| 00:42.05 | k-man | wishes nevin god speed |
| 00:42.25 | k-man | zinx, good point. |
| 00:42.37 | nevyn | sigh.. my local system doesn't have a valid /usr/share/dict/words file |
| 00:42.43 | nevyn | how did that happen? |
| 00:42.55 | k-man | also many sites now impose a "must contain at least 1 numeral" or "at least 2 capitals" type rules |
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| 00:43.11 | k-man | nevyn, oh well, there goes your plan. |
| 00:43.12 | Amarande | nevyn, you didn't install the package that contains that? |
| 00:43.20 | k-man | nevyn, check out diceware, I think they have lists of words that could be useful |
| 00:43.39 | k-man | nevyn, probably more useful than /usr/share/dict/words imho |
| 00:43.39 | nevyn | has seen a capital a number a lowercase and one of the following "/ - ~@#$^*('" type rules |
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| 00:44.09 | k-man | nevyn, http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.wordlist.asc |
| 00:44.10 | zinx | k-man: i really hate the ones that do that, but then explicitly forbid me from using certain symbols or any symbols, *AND* place a really small restriction for maximum length |
| 00:44.21 | k-man | zinx, oh yeah, me too |
| 00:44.26 | deuterium | hi guys, i use exim4 on debian and configured it (using dpkg-reconfigure) for using a smarthost to deliver the mail. however, when testing it by sending a message on the console on localhost, messages are simply queued and not delivered, i.e. they are marked as *** frozen *** in mailq due to a malformed sender address: <root@ETC_MAILNAME>. what do? |
| 00:44.43 | Amarande | zinx: some sites' password code can't handle special characters |
| 00:44.46 | CaneToad | arggh...anybody know what to do when gnome-keyring-d starts burning up 100% CPU? If I kill it, it just restarts and then puts up a requester asking [in incorrect English] "Enter password for to unlock your login keyring"... and if you press cancel it just comes up again |
| 00:44.52 | zinx | Amarande: broken. |
| 00:45.10 | zinx | Amarande: same with password length -- all the hashes should be the same length no matter how long the password is. |
| 00:45.22 | zinx | Amarande: and if they're not using hashes, they're doing it wrong ;D |
| 00:45.27 | deuterium | /etc/mailname contains 1 entry: mydomain.com |
| 00:46.02 | deuterium | i don't know why exim kind of doesn't resolve/substitute ETC_MAILNAME. any idea? |
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| 00:49.55 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: i haven't heard of anyone uising that in agegs |
| 00:49.57 | abrotman | ages |
| 00:50.03 | rypervenche | k-man: I have my passwords set up like this, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19330159/Videos/password.mkv |
| 00:50.03 | deuterium | anybody had this problem before? that exim didn't substitute ETC_MAILNAME? |
| 00:50.33 | k-man | rypervenche, is that sfw? |
| 00:51.01 | rypervenche | k-man: It is. |
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| 00:51.37 | k-man | rypervenche, what tool is that? |
| 00:51.53 | k-man | rypervenche, I use keepass in windows to similar effect |
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| 00:52.45 | rypervenche | k-man: It is just a simple text file that has been encrypted via GnuPG, then I made a script that takes my input, decrypts it and puts the username and password into my clipboard, then erases them immediately afterward. |
| 00:53.02 | k-man | rypervenche, ah right cool |
| 00:53.12 | k-man | you should publish your tool |
| 00:53.19 | k-man | people might find it useful |
| 00:53.31 | rypervenche | I made a Youtube video about it, but it's an older version of my script. |
| 00:53.35 | k-man | rypervenche, also check out keepass which does similar |
| 00:54.39 | rypervenche | k-man: I prefer to keep my passwords in something simple that I have complete control over. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19330159/Scripts/.pw.sh |
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| 00:55.51 | k-man | rypervenche, what is the protocol? |
| 00:56.31 | k-man | anyway, cool little script |
| 00:56.42 | rypervenche | k-man: It is whatever I want to look up. |
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| 00:57.40 | k-man | ah, I see - so it requires you to remember something about which "protocol" relates to which site? |
| 00:58.33 | rypervenche | Yeah, I'll show you the file I have..or a part of it. |
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| 01:01.21 | rypervenche | k-man: Just something like this, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19330159/Random/test.txt |
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| 01:01.54 | k-man | rypervenche, cool |
| 01:02.11 | rypervenche | k-man: Then I made a script to scp the file to 2 different servers, so I can access my passwords even if I'm not on my computer. |
| 01:02.27 | rypervenche | 1 to export my gpg file, and one to import it if I screw it up |
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| 01:03.55 | deuterium | no idea why ETC_MAILNAME isn't expanded in my debian 5? |
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| 01:04.25 | deuterium | er.. debian 6.0.2 i meant |
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| 01:06.10 | k-man | rypervenche, I'm half way to what you are doing as I keep my passwords in a gpg encrypted file also |
| 01:06.48 | rypervenche | k-man: I've started doing "pwgen -s -y 30" or so for my passwords now. |
| 01:08.12 | k-man | rypervenche, nice :) |
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| 01:16.09 | deuterium | ouch, this really sucks. disappointed that this doesn't work properly by default.. heck, it's exim, not rocket science! |
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| 01:17.05 | linux00002 | heya, I added the bnx2 firmware to my initrd that I am using for preseed like it's explained here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 01:17.23 | linux00002 | But when I netboot , it still doesnt' seem to see the NICs |
| 01:17.49 | linux00002 | I drop to a shell and lsmod shows bnx2 module as loaded |
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| 01:17.52 | gnarface | deuterium: rocket science is way simpler than exim |
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| 01:35.17 | rypervenche | I just purged flashplugin-nonfree then reinstalled it and at the end of the installation I got the messages, ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz, More information might be available at: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 01:35.38 | abrotman | rypervenche: you'll likely have to get it manually |
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| 01:39.39 | rypervenche | Bleh ok. Thanks. |
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| 01:43.05 | innociv | How do I see what processes are running on port 80? lsof -i :80 returns far too much. It's like every single connection opened to one of my httpd's. |
| 01:43.41 | Diddi | netstat, possibly with -p (process), and -l (listening) |
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| 01:44.21 | abrotman | innociv: fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 01:45.23 | innociv | Is that returning a pid? |
| 01:46.00 | innociv | how can I see what ip they're on? |
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| 01:46.34 | abrotman | eh .. shouldn't you know the IP your apache listens on ? |
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| 01:48.47 | MrRoy | Hey, quick question, where does "aptitude install" actually installs the file by default? Is it application dependent? |
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| 01:49.40 | abrotman | MrRoy: it installs files in relation to / |
| 01:50.32 | MrRoy | abrotman: Does it have a default path or something? I'm trying to setup a shortcut for something, but I can't find where it installed |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | MrRoy: dpkg -S pkgname or use apt-file .. or use 'which' |
| 01:51.24 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: I cannot explain to you how happy I am. |
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| 01:51.52 | innociv | abrotman, I have 3 httpd's and 5 ips |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: you found soft cheese? |
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| 01:52.29 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Switched to i3. |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | innociv: that sounds .. silly .. but okay! |
| 01:52.42 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: This is amazing. |
| 01:52.46 | innociv | I'm a mad man. |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: close enough to wmii, without the broken bits? |
| 01:52.59 | magyar | how can i clean a lazy umount filesystem? it's still stuck as a mounted filesystem |
| 01:53.17 | MrRoy | abrotman: Thanks, 'which' was the command I was looking for I guess. |
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| 01:53.35 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Infinitely better than wmii. Configuration is a piece of cake, it actually warns you if there's an error in your config file instead of completely hosing you, |
| 01:53.35 | magyar | df is not showing up the filesystem anymore, but I still can;t work with it |
| 01:53.38 | blast_hardcheese | holy cow. |
| 01:53.48 | lotus-blade | yes. I finally got both my vid cards working. |
| 01:54.19 | lotus-blade | what is it that I need in order to make the screens 1 desktop? |
| 01:54.40 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Also, they have a feature that I've been looking for forever, the ability to have a workspace on a particular screen |
| 01:54.53 | lotus-blade | it is radeon cards so not sure if that make a difference |
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| 01:56.07 | blast_hardcheese | I've got a laptop and an external monitor, I've got workspace 1 on my external monitor, workspace 2 on my laptop |
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| 01:56.50 | blast_hardcheese | This is amazing. |
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| 01:57.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:57.26 | blast_hardcheese | What do you use? |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: depends on which system |
| 01:57.51 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: but i've used lots of different WMs from time to time |
| 01:58.38 | blast_hardcheese | A couple months ago I 'aptitude install "?provides(x-window-manager)"'d |
| 01:59.05 | blast_hardcheese | I tried everything I could get my hands on for as long as I could stand it |
| 01:59.14 | blast_hardcheese | wmii was the clear winner at the time |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | xwinman.org |
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| 01:59.37 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, I've been here before. |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:59.59 | blast_hardcheese | Nice to be reminded that it exists though |
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| 02:13.10 | george_ | I just deleted the files in my downloads folder in my home directory, is there a way I can undelete them, and no they're not in the trash |
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| 02:13.57 | blast_hardcheese | george_: What kind of filesystem are you using? |
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| 02:14.10 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, ext4 i beleive |
| 02:14.26 | blast_hardcheese | My guess is no |
| 02:14.29 | blast_hardcheese | Potentially very no |
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| 02:14.38 | george_ | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 02:14.43 | aypea[2] | anyone know of a clean way of figuring out when an interface IS well and truly up? the delay is playing havock with my attempt at a bonding setup 8( |
| 02:15.05 | blast_hardcheese | aypea[2]: ethtool? |
| 02:16.03 | zyz0 | what is the command to know new updated packages after apt-get update? |
| 02:16.11 | aypea[2] | blast: seriously? |
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| 02:16.50 | blast_hardcheese | aypea[2]: Sorry, I'm not really sure what you're trying to do and I was trying to be helpful. |
| 02:17.10 | dsdeiz | heya why is ifconfig by default under /sbin/ifconfig? this means i can only invoke the command using root? |
| 02:17.13 | blast_hardcheese | george_: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:17.32 | Dewi | dsdeiz: yes. |
| 02:17.38 | aypea[2] | blast: :) I was asking as I did not think of it :) basically I need to know when eth0, etc are really up once I bring them up. in my environemtn there's a rather large delay before they become properly available. :/ |
| 02:17.51 | Dewi | dsdeiz: only root can mess with the network configuration |
| 02:18.41 | blast_hardcheese | george_: It seems like this is a good solution for you. First step would be to immediately shut down and not write anything else to the disk, as it could overwrite your files. |
| 02:18.59 | blast_hardcheese | george_: Second option would be to boot into a liveCD or bring the HD to another machine |
| 02:19.06 | blast_hardcheese | george_: then attempt to use this tool. |
| 02:19.07 | Amarande | dsdeiz: any user can run simple /sbin/ifconfig to view the network settings, but only root can actually do anything else with it. |
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| 02:19.12 | zyz0 | what is the command to know only new updated packages after apt-get update? |
| 02:19.17 | Amarande | since the tool is primarily intended for root's use, it's in /sbin. |
| 02:19.23 | dsdeiz | ahh cool. thanks! |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | he can't actually shutdown .. that would sync the filesystem |
| 02:19.39 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Unplug the computer? |
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| 02:20.01 | blast_hardcheese | or mount -o remount,ro / ? |
| 02:20.35 | blast_hardcheese | george_: Is there something really hugely important that you lost, or do you just not want to download something again? |
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| 02:21.27 | blast_hardcheese | It's good to know that extundelete is still being maintained |
| 02:21.34 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, i just had some random files collected, I mean, if I can recover it good, if I can't then what can you do, hopefully nothing important that I don't remember was deleted |
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| 02:22.08 | blast_hardcheese | george_: How'd you delete them, if you don't mind me asking? |
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| 02:22.11 | blast_hardcheese | Rogue script? |
| 02:23.06 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, yeah it was a script that I didn't really pay too much attention to before running |
| 02:23.10 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Another amazing thing about i3 is that you can restart it in place |
| 02:23.31 | george_ | it wasn't made to be harmful, just didn't know it's exact purpose, pretty dumb of me to run it, i know :/ |
| 02:23.52 | blast_hardcheese | Same with the config, actually |
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| 02:24.02 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: some kind of awesome sorcery that lets you upgrade the package or change the config file without logging out and back in |
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| 02:25.20 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: have you gone through a whole box of tissues yet? |
| 02:25.33 | WhitePelican | hello all, where can I get some asitance with Debian testing? |
| 02:25.41 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: I've just got a toilet paper roll |
| 02:25.44 | blast_hardcheese | I can be here all night |
| 02:25.58 | blast_hardcheese | WhitePelican: What'cha need? |
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| 02:26.47 | WhitePelican | well, I noticed my webcam no longer wors in cheese or skype, but it does work in camorama |
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| 02:29.10 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, just quick question, I need to do livecd right, no other option to put it into read only mode and do it? |
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| 02:29.56 | blast_hardcheese | Is your home partition your root partition? |
| 02:30.10 | blast_hardcheese | ie: /home and / are on the same partition? |
| 02:30.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone with experience running cfengine3 on debian? if cfengine/inputs is a symlink to /etc/cfengine, where does that leave the masterfiles destination. are they still meant to go under /var/? |
| 02:31.17 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, no, different partitions on same hard drive |
| 02:31.24 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, you're in luck then |
| 02:31.29 | george_ | :) |
| 02:31.45 | blast_hardcheese | sudo mount -o remount,ro <partition> |
| 02:31.57 | george_ | partition being sda1 right? |
| 02:32.02 | WhitePelican | blast_hardcheese, any ideas? |
| 02:32.07 | blast_hardcheese | sdawhateveryour/home/partitionis |
| 02:32.29 | george_ | ohh so I unmount my home ok |
| 02:32.34 | blast_hardcheese | Remount your home |
| 02:32.36 | blast_hardcheese | don't unmount it |
| 02:32.41 | blast_hardcheese | WhitePelican: Sorry, totally missed your question |
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| 02:32.52 | george_ | lol, but my extundelete is in my home directory, shouldnt be a problem right? |
| 02:32.59 | WhitePelican | well, I noticed my webcam no longer works in cheese or skype, but it does work in camorama |
| 02:33.08 | blast_hardcheese | george_: If you /read/ it, shouldn't be a problem |
| 02:33.22 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, alright, let me give it a try :) |
| 02:33.25 | blast_hardcheese | george_: but if you sudo su, just do your work in /root/ |
| 02:34.13 | blast_hardcheese | WhitePelican: Right; When you launch cheese, do you notice anything in dmesg? Also, what happens if you run cheese from the terminal (so you can see the error log)? |
| 02:34.16 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, it tells me /home is busy lol |
| 02:34.43 | WhitePelican | let me see what happens hang on a sec |
| 02:34.44 | blast_hardcheese | george_: So log all the way out, make sure to close any screen sessions you have open; Any files you might have open in /home/ could cause that. |
| 02:35.04 | blast_hardcheese | george_: then continue as root in /root/ |
| 02:35.15 | george_ | blast_hardcheese, ohh, i got you. :) |
| 02:35.24 | blast_hardcheese | Good luck :) |
| 02:35.26 | george_ | thanks man, be back with results hopefully |
| 02:35.34 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
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| 02:37.58 | WhitePelican | blast_hardcheese, several mentions of attempts to add gtk widgets, and a whole bunch of messages regarding plugins/effects being found |
| 02:38.33 | WhitePelican | I see nothing (nor does my wife, the admin) that suggests a reason for the bad video |
| 02:38.57 | blast_hardcheese | Wait, bad video or no video? |
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| 02:39.29 | WhitePelican | no video on skype, bad video on cheese, but works perfectly in camorama |
| 02:39.49 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, sorry, must have misread your initial question |
| 02:40.03 | WhitePelican | that's ok |
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| 02:41.17 | WhitePelican | blast_hardcheese, that said, any ideas? |
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| 02:42.06 | abrotman | WhitePelican: as for skype, you'd have to ask them .. |
| 02:42.33 | WhitePelican | fair enough |
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| 02:44.13 | blast_hardcheese | WhitePelican: Half a second, researching |
| 02:44.26 | WhitePelican | ty :) |
| 02:45.00 | blast_hardcheese | Trying to track down a utility I found recently that was designed to solve this exact problem. |
| 02:45.08 | WhitePelican | btw, if I zero out the saturation in Chees's conterol panel, I get a perfect grayscale image |
| 02:45.23 | WhitePelican | oh? |
| 02:45.59 | blast_hardcheese | totally esoteric and awesome, just can't remember which machine I installed it on ;) |
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| 02:46.14 | WhitePelican | hahaha |
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| 02:49.43 | mjrosenb | does debian have a recommended way of not installing unnecessary (where unnecessary is user-defined) locales? |
| 02:50.22 | blast_hardcheese | This could have just been an awesome dream I had |
| 02:50.27 | blast_hardcheese | Could have sworn it was real though |
| 02:50.31 | xoz | localepurge |
| 02:50.42 | WhitePelican | bummer |
| 02:50.54 | blast_hardcheese | Ah! |
| 02:50.55 | blast_hardcheese | Found it! |
| 02:51.12 | blast_hardcheese | Install the debian-goodies package |
| 02:51.12 | mjrosenb | xoz: ok, it sounded like localepurge is just a hack that piggybacks on apt, rather than being 'debian approved' in some sense. |
| 02:51.27 | blast_hardcheese | use `which-pkg-broke cheese' |
| 02:51.33 | xoz | define debian approve? |
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| 02:52.23 | mjrosenb | xoz: iirc, there was a way of redirecting binaries baked into apt, that would make apt do the heavy lifting in a way that it would understand. |
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| 02:53.53 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: I'm having way too much fun with i3status |
| 02:54.22 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: how is that? i've just been using dzen2 with a bash wrapper script. |
| 02:54.44 | blast_hardcheese | mjrosenb: It provides a lot of functionality out of the box, but the documentation is crap |
| 02:54.58 | blast_hardcheese | I like that you can just say "Monitor my wireless connection" and it just works |
| 02:55.20 | blast_hardcheese | but I'm having to tweak things like where the temperature sensor looks for info, since I'm on a thinkpad |
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| 02:55.43 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: do you know if that depends on networkmanager/wicd/any particular package, or if it just greps around in the system directories? |
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| 02:56.01 | blast_hardcheese | mjrosenb: It greps around the system |
| 02:56.09 | mjrosenb | that is quite nice |
| 02:56.17 | blast_hardcheese | config file snip: run_watch DHCP { pidfile = "/var/run/dhclient*.pid" } |
| 02:56.20 | mjrosenb | sort-of. |
| 02:56.40 | xoz | misses the feta package |
| 02:56.55 | mosno | is there any further detail as to the rationale of the "standard" priority, besides http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities ? |
| 02:57.19 | mosno | "These packages provide a reasonably small but not too limited character-mode system." doesn't really tell you why various packages are in this priority |
| 02:57.31 | mjrosenb | xoz: feta? |
| 02:57.35 | mosno | or how the decision was made, etc. |
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| 02:57.58 | xoz | mjrosenb: works like debian-goodies |
| 02:58.03 | Mneumonic | Has anyone installed the game 0 AD? |
| 02:58.10 | Mneumonic | I can't figure out how to install it in Debian |
| 02:58.36 | blast_hardcheese | I totally want to play 0 AD |
| 02:59.41 | Mneumonic | I really want to play it but it doesn't look compatible with Debian |
| 02:59.51 | Mneumonic | I tried the Ubuntu package and it doesnt have the right dependencies |
| 03:00.26 | blast_hardcheese | Mneumonic: So, ldd $(which 0ad) or whatever the path is |
| 03:00.34 | blast_hardcheese | figure out what it's missing, supply the libraries directly |
| 03:01.00 | somiaj | Mneumonic: you will most likely have to compile from source |
| 03:01.18 | blast_hardcheese | That, of course, would be the easy way of doing things. |
| 03:01.33 | Mneumonic | I've never done that, i know how to but how long does it take? |
| 03:01.51 | Amarande | on a fast machine, most source doesn't take very long to compile at all |
| 03:01.51 | blast_hardcheese | weeks on a 486sx. |
| 03:02.07 | Amarande | the longest compile I can recall ever having was building XFree86 on a 486-66 with 8MB RAM. |
| 03:02.13 | Amarande | Even that only took about 14 hours. |
| 03:02.34 | blast_hardcheese | Amarande: I compiled 2.6.8 on my 486sx, took most of a week. |
| 03:03.03 | Mneumonic | how long do you think a game would take on a modern laptop? |
| 03:03.08 | Mneumonic | i5 2.5ghz |
| 03:03.10 | Mneumonic | 4gb ram |
| 03:03.21 | blast_hardcheese | oh man. |
| 03:03.25 | blast_hardcheese | you're pushing it. |
| 03:03.51 | blast_hardcheese | Mneumonic: The setup for figuring out what libraries are required will probably take more than the actual compilation. |
| 03:04.01 | blast_hardcheese | However, it'll be good for oyu |
| 03:04.03 | blast_hardcheese | *you |
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| 03:05.11 | somiaj | Mneumonic: hard to say, but follow the instructions, realize it puts it in /usr/local |
| 03:05.25 | somiaj | Mneumonic: think it will take you longer to make sure you have the -dev libs installed than to actually do the comiple |
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| 03:06.47 | blast_hardcheese | mjrosenb: So, unfortunately it seems like i3status is too good to be true, at least for some stuff. |
| 03:07.07 | blast_hardcheese | For example, it can't really detect my wireless interface particularly well. |
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| 03:13.34 | E3D3 | I made an LVM with Ubuntu alternate, installed Squeeze but did not know where to install Grub. Somewhere I messed up Ubuntu so I can't give there the command: 'update-grub' . Can anyone give some advice how I can install grub now ? |
| 03:14.49 | abrotman | is'nt your grub in ubuntu ? |
| 03:15.36 | E3D3 | Ubuntu's grub is still there but 'nothing/that OS' won't boot. |
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| 03:18.45 | E3D3 | I have the LVM on an external USB. Can I update its grub from this OS (internal hd = no LVM) ? |
| 03:19.27 | mjrosenb | E3D3: in general, yes. |
| 03:20.09 | aypea[2] | you just need to bring up that volume group. hopefully it's not named differently :) |
| 03:20.16 | aypea[2] | err |
| 03:20.21 | aypea[2] | it IS named differently :) |
| 03:20.25 | E3D3 | I can find it |
| 03:20.51 | blast_hardcheese | You might consider fixing grub from the safety of KVM |
| 03:21.14 | blast_hardcheese | (ie: kvm -hda /dev/sdX -cdrom debian-installer.iso) |
| 03:21.18 | blast_hardcheese | or whatever you'd like |
| 03:21.37 | E3D3 | I don't know what kvm is ? |
| 03:22.14 | blast_hardcheese | It's the kernel-accelerated version of qemu |
| 03:22.19 | blast_hardcheese | a virtual machine |
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| 03:24.11 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: doing things like this is exactly the reason that I preffer qemu over vbox + vmware :) |
| 03:24.23 | blast_hardcheese | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.26 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: although it is usually something a bit more delicate than fixing grub |
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| 03:25.08 | blast_hardcheese | I came to Linux by way of being a Mac power user, I used to install new machines over firewire target disk mode, totally diskless. |
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| 03:25.23 | E3D3 | Okay, I worked only with Sun's VirtualBox but your nice command-example confuse me a little. Still thanks but I first try a simple terminal although it looks smart. I'm just pretending to be smart & always use brute force ;) |
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| 03:25.29 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: s/diskless/cdromless/? |
| 03:25.37 | blast_hardcheese | mjrosenb: Yes ;) |
| 03:25.42 | blast_hardcheese | When I came to Linux, all of my (senior sysadmin) friends were still popping CDs in machines. |
| 03:26.08 | blast_hardcheese | I routinely give demos on how to set up new machines using kvm and a bare drive |
| 03:26.16 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: i was rather saddened when I heard that apple was removing target disk mode |
| 03:26.24 | blast_hardcheese | They're removing it? |
| 03:26.35 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: err, for mackbook air |
| 03:26.39 | mjrosenb | s/ck/c/ |
| 03:26.52 | blast_hardcheese | Hmm, but the MBA doesn't have firewire |
| 03:26.59 | blast_hardcheese | How could they? |
| 03:27.01 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: then I heard other people complaining about "how will I ever get my files off of my laptop now"... |
| 03:27.11 | mjrosenb | blast_hardcheese: and i was *incredibly* sad |
| 03:27.31 | blast_hardcheese | They might bring Target disk back for the MBA once they go to USB3, as I think that's bidirectional like firewire |
| 03:27.39 | blast_hardcheese | (ie, both sides are hosts instead of host/client) |
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| 03:27.48 | E3D3 | I still have friends who buy new pc's because of a smooth looking desktopbackground |
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| 03:28.24 | blast_hardcheese | E3D3: the stupid |
| 03:28.25 | blast_hardcheese | it burns |
| 03:28.32 | E3D3 | bad karma |
| 03:28.52 | E3D3 | but I must have a real funny life before |
| 03:30.54 | blast_hardcheese | Going home, sitting at work messing around with window managers is fun, but I'd much rather be eating the awesome food that's waiting for me in the fridge back home :) |
| 03:31.08 | rypervenche | I bring a flashdrive with PuTTY with me to work to SSH into my server at home. Would it be more secure to continue using a password to log in, or copy my is_rsa.pub to my USB drive and only allow key authentication? |
| 03:31.42 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: Put a passphrase on your key |
| 03:32.13 | blast_hardcheese | then, if there's a keylogger they'd still need your flashdrive (or at least what's on it), and if anyone finds your flashdrive they'll still need your key |
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| 03:32.51 | rypervenche | blast_hardcheese: Oh duh, that was my concern that if anyone knew my server address they would have full access to it, but I have a passphrase on it, derp >< |
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| 03:34.51 | innociv | I'm trying to redirect ###.###.###.###:80 to port 1492. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 gives me the error "iptables-restore v1.4.8: Line 106 seems to have a -t table option." |
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| 03:36.13 | E3D3 | I seems my grub is updated with ... yes Squeeze. I go check it. Thanks for the help. |
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| 03:37.03 | EClaesson | Compared to windows (dualboot), debian's sound quality (music etc) isn't as good. It's a quite large difference. The sound on debian sounds a bit "flat". Any ideas on how to fix it? Or are the generic sound drivers not good enough? |
| 03:37.06 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: I used to think that having key passphrases would be too much of a pain, but I don't mind it actually. |
| 03:38.19 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: Also, (this doesn't apply to you) with a couple of modifications to my .bashrc/profile, I now use a single ssh-agent from virtual-terminals and X sessions. |
| 03:38.47 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: I add the key once, enter the passphrase once, then everywhere I hop to gets access to my agent. |
| 03:38.53 | blast_hardcheese | the one downside is I have to remember to lock it ;) |
| 03:40.22 | rypervenche | blast_hardcheese: I still prefer to type in my passphrase every time I use it. |
| 03:40.29 | innociv | nevermind |
| 03:40.53 | rypervenche | How can I change which id_rsa.pub I use? I can't the option in "ssh" |
| 03:41.00 | innociv | I jsut added a line to my iptables "sudo iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp -d ip.ip.ip.ip --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3000". Do I need to do anything more to make sure that's saved and running? |
| 03:41.09 | innociv | And is there on restart? |
| 03:41.32 | innociv | I don't see the line in my /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 03:41.35 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: Sorry? |
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| 03:42.25 | rypervenche | blast_hardcheese: Well, basically what I'll be doing using PuTTY, but how would I do it using ssh? I'd like to use a different id_rsa.pub when SSHing. |
| 03:42.41 | blast_hardcheese | You don't use the .pub when sshing |
| 03:42.48 | blast_hardcheese | the pub stays on the remote machine |
| 03:42.50 | Rusty1 | EClaesson: there is a #alsa channel where you might get some pointers |
| 03:43.01 | rypervenche | blast_hardcheese: Oh...so I need the private key then? |
| 03:43.07 | blast_hardcheese | Yep |
| 03:43.16 | blast_hardcheese | private key is the thing you keep safe, |
| 03:43.17 | rhenani | Hellos guys I got message while i was chatting on skype saying that my computer's protection isn't activated, that i needed to go to a www.something...com to activate it |
| 03:43.27 | blast_hardcheese | public key is the one you can pepper on all kinds of different machines. |
| 03:43.32 | rhenani | so i wonder if i could have an antivirus for my debian squeeze 6.0.2? |
| 03:44.07 | somiaj | Mneumonic: 0AD compiled here just fine, just follow the instructions on the site it even tells you what packages to install. |
| 03:44.09 | blast_hardcheese | The only reason you need to keep your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys 700 is because you don't want people checking which keys are valid for your account. |
| 03:44.19 | rypervenche | blast_hardcheese: So then I shouldn't put that on my USB drive... so I suppose passwords is my only option, or should I create a new private key just for my USB/PuTTY? |
| 03:44.28 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: Yes. |
| 03:44.47 | rypervenche | blast_hardcheese: Is that still secure? |
| 03:45.00 | blast_hardcheese | What changed between the last time we were talking about this and now? |
| 03:45.18 | blast_hardcheese | Private keys should be kept in a secure-ish location, ie: on your person |
| 03:45.23 | rypervenche | My comprehension of how this all works :/ |
| 03:45.41 | blast_hardcheese | If you've got a private key on your thumbdrive that's protected with a passphrase, you're golden. |
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| 03:46.22 | rypervenche | Ok, gotcha. So it's the private key that is password-protected. |
| 03:46.34 | Amarande | rhenani, the kind of malware you'd pick up that way is 99.9999999+% likely designed only for Windows, so your Linux machine is unlikely to even be able to execute the virus. On the off chance it could, assuming you're not skyping or browsing as root, it's only items owned by you that could be damaged. |
| 03:47.11 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: Yes |
| 03:47.23 | r3m | I always need to type my password twice to login, the first time it always said bad password. i reboot like 20 time and it always do that... is it because my home folder is crypted |
| 03:47.36 | blast_hardcheese | rypervenche: I could give you my pubkey right now, /ALL/ you can do with it is give /ME/ access to boxes /YOU/ control. |
| 03:47.41 | blast_hardcheese | Not many attack vectors in that ;) |
| 03:49.06 | rypervenche | Ok, got a little confused, but I understand now. Thank you. |
| 03:49.12 | blast_hardcheese | Not a problem. |
| 03:49.26 | blast_hardcheese | SSH is really fantastic once you get the hang of it. |
| 03:49.30 | innociv | I have an httpd listening on port 1492. I need connections on port 80 on a certain ip directed to that port. I'm having trouble getting this working.. |
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| 03:49.47 | innociv | if I go to domain.net:1492 that works. But I need domain.net to act the same. |
| 03:50.09 | blast_hardcheese | innociv: What rules are you using? |
| 03:51.01 | innociv | I entered "sudo iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp -d 208.94.240.69 --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1492" And of course I have port 80 open. |
| 03:51.17 | blast_hardcheese | What about the return route? |
| 03:51.21 | rhenani | Amarande: I know but i heart that there are some antivirus-programs that you can have in case you have the virus (you won't execute it but if you pass it or send it to a windows machine for example, it will, so then those progams take care about it and delete it from your linux system so you can't spread the virus |
| 03:51.50 | innociv | How's that work? |
| 03:52.19 | blast_hardcheese | rhenani: Usually that's taken care of for you by your email system or whatnot |
| 03:52.32 | blast_hardcheese | innociv: Hold, let me research; I'm not good with iptables, but I understand the concepts |
| 03:52.44 | innociv | I'm very bad with iptables. Lol. |
| 03:53.17 | innociv | Maybe I need a forward rule? But I'm not sure how it should work. |
| 03:53.33 | innociv | Noteable is that I have many ips on this box. Can't get things crossed. Only want forwarding on that one ip. |
| 03:53.51 | rhenani | blast_hardcheese: thanks for the information |
| 03:54.52 | blast_hardcheese | Actually, if you say iptables -t nat -i eth0 -j MASQUERADE that /might/ do what you need. Do a iptables-save just to be sure. |
| 03:55.46 | innociv | What's masquerade do? |
| 03:56.05 | blast_hardcheese | Makes it seem like the request is coming from the host it's passing through |
| 03:56.20 | rhenani | exit |
| 03:56.23 | rhenani | bye bye |
| 03:56.33 | blast_hardcheese | rhenani: Bye |
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| 03:56.48 | k-man | say you have 3 servers, is there some way to make them appear as one big server? |
| 03:57.09 | somiaj | k-man: router/routing and a load balancer to spread the load across them equally |
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| 03:57.10 | blast_hardcheese | k-man: Stack them and paint them the same color? |
| 03:57.35 | somiaj | k-man: depending on what you do, master/slave are common set ups, so you have a lot of slave servers appearing as a single one |
| 03:57.36 | k-man | somiaj, so it would be more on a per app basis? |
| 03:57.43 | innociv | says no command specified, blast_hardcheese |
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| 03:58.19 | somiaj | k-man: you could have the load ballance redirect all trafic and just have identical configured servers -- though if you want to have data shared acroos them (like a database) you'll want a master/slave setup |
| 03:58.23 | lvidal | hello! |
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| 03:58.41 | lvidal | I'm here just to ask something |
| 03:58.53 | somiaj | k-man: basically everyone is directed to the loadbalancer which then decides which server will be the best for that person to go to. but on the client end it all appears to be the same server. |
| 03:58.59 | blast_hardcheese | innociv: Hmm.. give me a second then. |
| 03:59.07 | blast_hardcheese | Undo that masquerade command. |
| 03:59.11 | k-man | somiaj, ok, thanks |
| 03:59.19 | innociv | Don't think anything commited since it was a bad command |
| 03:59.30 | blast_hardcheese | Ah, good point. |
| 03:59.44 | lvidal | I went to download debian DVD's just to get a big surprise: 8 DVD's 4.4GB each!!! |
| 04:00.00 | lvidal | I came here to ask: why?? |
| 04:00.14 | innociv | It looks like I need a FORWARD command, but I'm not sure what it should look like in this case. |
| 04:00.16 | Dewi | are there any illegal filename characters other than '/' and \0 ? |
| 04:00.26 | somiaj | k-man: a very simple (but crude) way is with dns, you can have a dns server return another ip for each request, and then cycle though them -- since nost dns servers will cache that data you efictivally split the load but in a random way as opposed to a loadbalancer doing it. |
| 04:00.35 | TeddieeB | I belive you can't use ? * |
| 04:00.51 | Dewi | TeddieeB: nah they work |
| 04:00.52 | TeddieeB | thinking of other bash script combo's |
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| 04:01.24 | k-man | somiaj, I was more thinking along the lines of how raid makes multiple drives appear as 1 drive, some way to make multiple servers appear as one |
| 04:01.45 | somiaj | k-man: oh so you want to talk about a cluster, where the servers share thier process across a wide range |
| 04:01.50 | k-man | somiaj, in all ways, ie, ssh in, or err.. ping the server... or compile software on it |
| 04:01.52 | TeddieeB | hmmm. okay. I thought you couldn't use bash scripting triggers... I guess the term is you SHOULDN'T use bash script triggers.. LOL |
| 04:01.53 | somiaj | k-man: yes there are some nice beowulf clusters. |
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| 04:02.05 | k-man | somiaj, ah, clustering, thats the term |
| 04:02.11 | somiaj | k-man: then the whole cluster acts like a single unit and can split up processes across the computers |
| 04:02.28 | Dewi | TeddieeB: apostrophe and space are bash script triggers and they are very common :P |
| 04:02.37 | k-man | so how do I set that up? |
| 04:02.42 | k-man | is it non trivial? |
| 04:02.52 | k-man | I'm only wanting to do it for the fun and glory |
| 04:02.53 | somiaj | k-man: http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 04:02.54 | WhitePelican | blast_hardcheese, I am back. I have new info. I changed the preload statements for shype and now get video, but bad video like in cheese. The same happens in ekiga |
| 04:03.04 | WhitePelican | skype* |
| 04:03.07 | innociv | "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m state --state NEW -d 208.94.240.69 --dport 1492 -j ACCEPT" doesn't do it.. |
| 04:03.14 | TeddieeB | hehe, now that you mention it... I use the apostrophe simi regular in mp3 files and the like |
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| 04:03.20 | k-man | somiaj, thanks for the pointer |
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| 04:03.49 | somiaj | k-man: again there are many inurpritations of 'making multiple servers appear as one' -- loadballancing is fairly nice, also has the added backup if one server goes down the balancer can just redirect trafic. I think clusters have a little more issue if one server goes down (but I have never messed with them) |
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| 04:04.17 | greg | i need help with apt-pinning. i add deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 04:04.18 | greg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.18 | greg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.05 | Dewi | TeddieeB: wikipedia's "Comparison of file systems" says most of the linux ones can to "Any byte except NUL and /" |
| 04:05.17 | Dewi | so I guess that's a good enough answer for me |
| 04:05.18 | k-man | somiaj, ok - I have no real need for it other than it sounds interesting, and 3 8 core servers sitting in my garage waiting for something to do :) |
| 04:05.21 | Dewi | I suspected it was the case |
| 04:05.35 | k-man | 24 cores of goodness... imagine that |
| 04:05.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:05.49 | Amarande | something to do with 24 cores |
| 04:05.52 | Amarande | how about a nice game of chess? |
| 04:06.23 | k-man | or how about thermo nuclear war games? |
| 04:06.39 | somiaj | k-man: well once you get it set up, configure it to be able to run a xen or openVZ setup so you can just bring up and down vps and have like 1 super server running many little ones. (: |
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| 04:07.04 | k-man | I thought it might be interesting to run a vm accross them, install osx on it and use it for compiling a few osx projects I'm fiddling with |
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| 04:08.42 | innociv | You could make a clock |
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| 04:08.49 | innociv | Each core handles one of the hours in a day |
| 04:09.07 | peterrooney | somiaj: at which point, it starts to sound like minix |
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| 04:11.21 | innociv | Can anyone help me with iptables? when someone connects to port 80 I need them forwarded to port 1492. I have an httpd running on port 1492. |
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| 04:15.18 | Rusty1 | innociv: there is a #Netfilter channel where you might get some advice |
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| 04:16.24 | innociv | I'll try that |
| 04:17.12 | becker_11 | incredible as this may seem I have been able to compile a program on my laptop but now have no idea how to run it the program is gpodder from gpodder.org |
| 04:18.31 | somiaj | becker_11: and you didn't install it from the debian repo because? |
| 04:19.20 | becker_11 | soma`, because the current version is 2.19 and the repo is showing 2.7 |
| 04:20.02 | becker_11 | somiaj, sorry re:nick also because I like to learn and I saw this as a learning experience |
| 04:20.03 | streuner | judd, versions gpodder |
| 04:20.04 | judd | Package: gpodder on i386 -- lenny: 0.12.1-1; squeeze: 2.7-1; sid: 2.18-1; wheezy: 2.18-1 |
| 04:20.45 | somiaj | becker_11: you could backport the 2.18 version from wheezy (or sid) |
| 04:20.52 | somiaj | becker_11: did you install it with 'make install'? |
| 04:21.21 | becker_11 | somiaj, yes I used make install, I wasn't aware I could install versions from higher up the repo tree |
| 04:21.30 | somiaj | !tell becker_11 about ssbp |
| 04:22.01 | somiaj | becker_11: you don't install them directally, you compile the source but put it into a debian package so you can use dpkg to install/manage it (and if things depend on it they don't freak out apt) |
| 04:22.16 | somiaj | becker_11: 'make install' usually puts things in /usr/local which is in your $PATH, just type the command name |
| 04:22.42 | becker_11 | somiaj, okay I'll give it a shot |
| 04:22.46 | somiaj | becker_11: just keep the source around so you can 'make uninstall' when you want to remove it |
| 04:23.06 | becker_11 | somiaj, nope it returns command not found |
| 04:23.11 | somiaj | becker_11: nothign wrong with what you did, but I prefer to compile packages against my libaries so I can manage them with dpkg as opposed to just make and make isntall |
| 04:23.48 | somiaj | becker_11: echo $PATH make sure the /usr/local/bin is there. also ls /usr/local/bin (see what was put there) -- here I'm assuming its defaults is /usr/local like most sources but this need not be the case |
| 04:24.00 | somiaj | becker_11: if it installed it someplace strange you'll have to see where the make install script put ti |
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| 04:25.25 | blast_hardcheese | innociv: Those guys don't seem to be particularly helpful :) |
| 04:25.25 | becker_11 | somiaj, yeah it is in my path but the folder /usr/local/bin is empty guess I'll have to read the file |
| 04:25.46 | blast_hardcheese | innociv: I'm still trying to figure it out, but there's no guarantee I'll succeed. |
| 04:25.59 | innociv | Heh |
| 04:26.07 | somiaj | becker_11: yea I have no clue where the default install for some random source is. if you check out the Makefile and search for 'install' you can see where its putting things |
| 04:26.13 | somiaj | becker_11: /opt is sometimes standard |
| 04:26.39 | becker_11 | somiaj, thanks for your assistance |
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| 04:29.25 | factor | How can I set the rear manual feed of a HP printer in Linux |
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| 04:38.08 | boudiccas | does anyone know of a GUI for pdftotext please? |
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| 04:40.33 | chalcedony | boudiccas, star office has something |
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| 04:41.07 | boudiccas | chalcedony; thanks, i'll have a look |
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| 04:41.31 | chalcedony | good luck :) |
| 04:42.03 | chalcedony | boudiccas, if you open the pdf in evince you can usually paste the text but it loses formatting |
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| 04:42.30 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 04:42.46 | mah454 | I need list of debian community's . |
| 04:43.03 | boudiccas | chalcedony; thats not going to be possible using cut n'paste, its 96 pages long! but thanks anyway |
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| 04:43.54 | chalcedony | boudiccas, hmmm |
| 04:43.56 | Rat409 | boudiccas: maybe this,can't vouch for all the features tho http://pdfedit.cz/en/index.html |
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| 04:46.48 | streuner | boudiccas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software#Unix_.2F_Linux |
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| 04:47.28 | endra | Hey |
| 04:47.33 | endra | Can I uninstall OpenJDK completely? |
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| 04:49.00 | somiaj | endra: if you installed it with apt, apt-get remove <pkgname> or apt-get --purge remove <pkgname> to purge it (get rid of the config files) |
| 04:49.07 | endra | Sorry, I meant can all java be removed entirely or is there some dependency from debian to have some java interpreter |
| 04:49.56 | somiaj | java is not mandatory, but there may be lots of packages that depend on it |
| 04:50.04 | somiaj | endra: dpkg -l | grep java |
| 04:50.24 | endra | hmm okay |
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| 04:50.45 | somiaj | endra: remove any package, apt will tell you what else it will remove, if there is something you want that it removes then you have to have some java |
| 04:51.18 | endra | One last question: how can I install a 32bit JVM using aptitude in a 64bit environment? Specifically the package sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk |
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| 04:53.00 | endra | I actually just spotted ia32-sun-java6-bin |
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| 05:01.24 | grepper | I'm having trouble with permissions in dev for my dvd drive. No symlinks are being created, and user is not allowed to access the device file. On sid with udev 172-1 |
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| 05:02.02 | somiaj | grepper: are you trying to link /dev/dvd to /dev/sd? or /dev/hd? for the actual device? |
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| 05:03.09 | wamp3ter | hi all. I just installed testing with gnome. for some reason gconf-editor and some other admin apps do not seem to pick up my theme. any help would be great. |
| 05:03.16 | grepper | somiaj: well, I'd be content to just have /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdrw links working. The actual device is /dev/hda |
| 05:03.39 | grepper | it 'was' working, not sure what changed, or if my rules file is outdated |
| 05:04.09 | Onlyodin | Can anyone point me in the right direction to iso images for Lenny? debian-cd mirrors only seem to have squeeze now. |
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| 05:05.26 | mac_ | hi everyone, I've run pm-hibernate to hibernate my 3.0 kernel on debian testing, but now it won't boot (blinking cursor after grub, nothing else). I tried all the common tricks (init=/bin/bash, noresume etc.). What can I do? |
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| 05:06.38 | grepper | somiaj: I believe this is the relevant file: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules. Contains this: http://pastebin.com/fwR5w8hD |
| 05:07.06 | grepper | not sure where ownership and group for it is set |
| 05:07.33 | somiaj | links don't have an owner/group, that is attached the the actual device they link to |
| 05:07.40 | grepper | right |
| 05:07.51 | grepper | I'm talking about the permissions on the actual file |
| 05:07.56 | somiaj | did the actual cd device change in a kernel upgrade? |
| 05:08.41 | somiaj | my cdrw is connected to /dev/sr0 -- and I use /etc/udev/links.conf to set up the links |
| 05:08.44 | jmarsden | Onlyodin: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/index.en.html |
| 05:08.52 | grepper | lspci shows: 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) |
| 05:09.06 | grepper | and 00:06:0 is in that file I pastebined |
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| 05:09.24 | somiaj | grepper: but the actual device is /dev/something (that is what you are linking to) |
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| 05:09.49 | somiaj | grepper: I use a sata dvdburner and its at /dev/sr0 and so /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrw both link to it |
| 05:09.55 | grepper | well, I'm not doing anything, I'm counting on udev to do that, no ? |
| 05:10.33 | somiaj | grepper: ll /dev/cdrom (where does the link point to)? |
| 05:10.34 | grepper | I can create it manually and change permissions manually, but it will break again on reboot or on unspecified events that trigger udev |
| 05:10.41 | somiaj | grepper: arg ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 05:10.45 | grepper | there is no symlinks ! |
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| 05:11.28 | grepper | strangely /dev/hda shows root floppy now, used to be root disk, dunno what's up with that |
| 05:11.57 | grepper | should probably be root:cdrom so user can acccess it and the (currently uncreated) symlink |
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| 05:12.51 | somiaj | grepper: what I do is figure out what the actual device is, /dev/<foo> then set up links in /etc/udev/links.conf to link to the device...as for permisions mine have always just worked |
| 05:15.01 | grepper | okay, I could change links.conf, but still not sure where ownership/group is set |
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| 05:16.06 | grepper | er. what does it mean at the top of link.conf: "# This file does not exist. Please do not ask the Debian maintainer about it." |
| 05:16.17 | grepper | s/link.conf/links.conf/ |
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| 05:17.21 | george | blast_hardcheese, hey |
| 05:17.48 | george | blast_hardcheese, I just want to say, thank you very much for the extundelete utility |
| 05:19.57 | somiaj | grepper: it means he won't deal with using that file, seems teh prefered way is to use the rules.d/ directory -- what is the permissions it sets on the actual cdrom device? |
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| 05:21.23 | grepper | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 3, 0 Sep 22 01:20 /dev/hda |
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| 05:21.54 | george | blast_hardcheese, I was able to recover like 90% of the files I lost, kind of scary some of the things from like a month ago were recovered too 0_0 |
| 05:22.17 | somiaj | grepper: seems like what is happening is udev is not detecting the device as a cdrom, so the rules aren't generating the links because the links are for the cdrom not a floppy |
| 05:22.33 | somiaj | grepper: I have no clue why it is detecting your cdrom as a floppy, have you recentally upgraded your kernel? |
| 05:22.50 | grepper | nope |
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| 05:22.55 | somiaj | grepper: http://paste.debian.net/131516/ (my 70-persistent-cd.rules which works fine so yours seems ok) |
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| 05:23.11 | grepper | okay |
| 05:23.18 | somiaj | grepper: check 'dmesg | grep hda' -- any word about how its detecting |
| 05:23.44 | grepper | 1.984118] hda: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3540A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 05:25.04 | somiaj | grepper: well running sid you know to check the bts to see if this is a known bug |
| 05:25.32 | rozie | grepper: do you have access from root account? |
| 05:26.05 | rozie | grepper: is your user in cdrom group? |
| 05:26.33 | grepper | yeah, can't find any reports on this issue |
| 05:26.39 | somiaj | rozie: that isn't the problem, udev is calling his cdrom a 'floppy' and thus assigning the wrong group for it and not creating the links since it isn't a cdrom |
| 05:26.53 | somiaj | grepper: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=287225 (this guy had a very similar issue, but its an old old bug) |
| 05:27.19 | grepper | heh, was just on that page |
| 05:27.29 | grepper | yeah, 2004 |
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| 05:28.43 | somiaj | grepper: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info (that give you anything)? |
| 05:29.07 | grepper | yep |
| 05:29.22 | grepper | its the expected (i would imagine) output |
| 05:30.00 | grepper | http://pastebin.com/KhiRS0KU |
| 05:30.11 | rozie | grepper: sometimes it's good to add info to existing bug (if it's the same issue). DDs might have ignore it thinking it's just single case (and not commenting) |
| 05:30.43 | grepper | strange I would be the only one experiencing this currently though |
| 05:30.45 | somiaj | grepper: well I am unsure why /dev/hda is being assigned the 'floppy' group, but my guess is that is also why the links aren't being made |
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| 05:30.58 | somiaj | grepper: could just be something bizarre with yourset up. |
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| 05:33.20 | grepper | guess I'll have just use chown for the time being, and hope udev doesn't periodically outsmart me |
| 05:33.34 | somiaj | grepper: try to do this |
| 05:33.48 | grepper | yeah, if I chown root:cdrom user can access it, then run udevamin trigger, and its back to root:floppy |
| 05:34.04 | somiaj | grepper: add the rule KERNEL="hda", GROUP="cdrom" to your rules file |
| 05:34.39 | grepper | which rules file ? |
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| 05:34.56 | somiaj | grepper: I'd put it int the persistant cdrom one just so its all in one place |
| 05:35.08 | somiaj | grepper: do you want lots of links or just one link? |
| 05:35.36 | somiaj | grepper: KERNEL="hda", GROUP="cdrom", SYMLINK+="cdrom" -- that rule may be all you need |
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| 05:37.01 | grepper | okay, only that is in the file. Should running udevadmin trigger update permissions and symlinks ? |
| 05:37.14 | grepper | er, udevadm I mean |
| 05:37.15 | somiaj | grepper: seems you can do this as well |
| 05:37.25 | somiaj | grepper: KERNEL="hda", GROUP="cdrom", SYMLINK+="cdrom dvd cdrw dvdrw" |
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| 05:37.38 | somiaj | that should put the device /dev/hda in the cdrom groupa nd make all those links to it |
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| 05:37.44 | somiaj | I woudl comment out the other rules that aren't working. |
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| 05:38.15 | somiaj | I'm unsure if you should reboot to test it out or not. (: I'm just reading though the documentation and making things up |
| 05:38.18 | somiaj | http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 05:42.24 | grepper | if I run: udevadm test /dev/hda I get: unable to open device '/sys/dev/hda' (after a hundred warnings about deprecated options |
| 05:42.26 | grepper | ) |
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| 05:45.36 | somiaj | grepper: sounds like you have some problems, but I get the same error. I belive the rule line I gave you will work. :D |
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| 05:48.21 | grepper | somiaj: both running udevadm trigger and restarting the udev daemon don't change anything, perhaps I'll try a reboot |
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| 05:55.20 | grepper | somiaj: nope, didn't work, still root:floppy. In the meantime I had added my user to floppy group and that works (for now), I guess I'll have to live with that |
| 05:55.32 | aypea[2] | punts insserv - work damn you, work. |
| 05:55.50 | grepper | adds a touch of nostalgia to my computing :) |
| 05:56.09 | grepper | thanks for your input, time for quick walk and bed, its almost 2am here |
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| 05:56.56 | somiaj | grepper: not sure why that rule isn't working. you can play around with rules until you get the syntax right. Also check /lib/udev/rules.d (grep for floppy and see why its getting detected as such) -- it could also be a bug you could file. |
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| 05:59.08 | grepper | okay |
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| 06:01.16 | grepper | somiaj: I think you might have nailed it with that file |
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| 06:01.26 | grepper | SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTRS{removable}=="1", GROUP="floppy" |
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| 06:01.56 | grepper | I changed it to GROUP="cdrom" , ran udevadm trigger, and now /dev/hda is: root:cdrom |
| 06:02.50 | grepper | I'm guessing that file will get overwritten soon enough though by the next upgrade cycle |
| 06:02.50 | Onlyodin | jmarsden, thanks for that (lenny ISOs) |
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| 06:03.02 | jmarsden | Onlyodin: You're welcome. |
| 06:03.02 | somiaj | grepper: that file will be overwritten next udev upgrade. |
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| 06:10.38 | innociv | I have an httpd, node.js, listening on port 1492 of one of the ips on my machine. going to http://#.#.#.69:1492 works fine. I'm trying to redirect from port 80 to 1492 so going to http://#.#.#.69 will work just the same. http://pastebin.com/B0n808ef is my iptables save. http://pastebin.com/FyhD6eDH makes it look like the data is being routed. http://pastebin.com/18bETmNs is curl showing connection refused on port 80. |
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| 06:13.21 | civillian | innociv: you are using curl from another machine yes? |
| 06:13.58 | innociv | No that was from the same one. But pretty much the same result if i use the browser. |
| 06:14.16 | innociv | I can connect to ...69:1492 from the outside. Page not found if I view ...69:80 from my browser. |
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| 06:14.56 | civillian | does tcpdump confirm your redirect is working? |
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| 06:16.33 | innociv | I need to install that I guess |
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| 06:16.57 | innociv | What command should I be running to check that? |
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| 06:17.43 | civillian | check if it's installed? |
| 06:18.04 | civillian | apt-cache policy tcpdump |
| 06:18.16 | civillian | or a dozen others |
| 06:18.23 | innociv | i just installed it |
| 06:18.29 | civillian | have you used it before? |
| 06:18.37 | innociv | I mean what command should I run to confirm my redirect is running. |
| 06:18.38 | innociv | Nope. |
| 06:18.45 | civillian | tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 80 or port 1492 |
| 06:18.47 | civillian | that should do it |
| 06:19.16 | civillian | run tcpdump in a window while you try connecting, check the output |
| 06:19.28 | innociv | when I do 80 I get a bajillion things spammed. How do I do it on just one ip? |
| 06:20.41 | innociv | dst ip and port 80? |
| 06:20.52 | civillian | yeah sure that will do it |
| 06:21.37 | innociv | hm syntax error from that |
| 06:21.50 | innociv | oops |
| 06:21.51 | innociv | forgot the and |
| 06:22.34 | innociv | Okay, it did something! |
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| 06:24.30 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/AQw1jhMt I tried listening on 1492 and connecting to 80 and it does nothing. |
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| 06:25.40 | civillian | so you're running the dump on the machine with port 1492 open? |
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| 06:26.35 | innociv | Yeah. Port 1492 and port 80 are both open. httpd is running on port 1492. Iptables is supposed to be redirecting port 80 to 1492. |
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| 06:27.59 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/B0n808ef iptable rules. At least I assume these are the ones applied. |
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| 06:28.16 | civillian | you should be seeing a connection to port 1492 so I'd say your redirect isn't working |
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| 06:29.30 | innociv | Yeah. If i'm running tcpdump on port 1492, and i connect to port 80, I should be seeing something in tcpdump |
| 06:29.41 | innociv | I'd think, but I see no such thing. So it's not redirecting.. |
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| 06:31.56 | innociv | Okay butt.. |
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| 06:32.10 | innociv | If I count the packets with "sudo iptables -t nat -L -v", it goes up every time I send a request on port 80 |
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| 06:43.43 | jesk | anyone also having problem installatin debian on current DL380 hardware? |
| 06:44.05 | grepper | somiaj: it is perplexing to me why I need to edit something in /lib rather than udev respecting /etc |
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| 06:44.55 | somiaj | grepper: well that is why I think its a bug, something is wrong and its idenitifying your device as a floppy and not a cdrom |
| 06:45.14 | grepper | could be |
| 06:45.33 | somiaj | grepper: but the rules in /lib will be overwritten with any upgrade to udev (those are supose to be universal rules for all debian machines while /etc/udev/rules.d/ are the special custom made rules |
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| 06:47.18 | grepper | right |
| 06:48.05 | grepper | still, it would make sense to provide a way to override that faulty detection by a rule in /etc, doesn't seem to be atm |
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| 06:49.06 | grepper | anyway, its all deep voodoo to me, not sure I can intelligently comment |
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| 06:52.11 | AsuraLe | my pc have no voice again after i try to install qmmp ,how could anybody could tell me how to make out it ? |
| 06:52.29 | faLUCE | hi. Is it possible to have two /etc/rc.local files ? Or something similar |
| 06:52.59 | AsuraLe | i use alsa to driver my sound card and i use to try pulseaudio ~ |
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| 06:54.06 | AsuraLe | there is only one rc.local but it hs rc0.d~rc6.d and rcS.d |
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| 06:57.02 | Driver | AsuraLe, other application have sound? |
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| 06:57.46 | AsuraLe | Driver: after i try to run qmmp once time , my pc have no voice out anyway ~ |
| 06:58.17 | AsuraLe | Driver: any app and my debian itself have no sound out |
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| 06:58.50 | Driver | are you unmuted default output pulseaudio? |
| 06:59.10 | Driver | default - muted |
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| 06:59.24 | AsuraLe | Driver: now i remove my pulseaudio and remain my alsa |
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| 07:00.21 | Driver | cat /proc/asound/card |
| 07:00.36 | AsuraLe | Driver: i could change the vol in my alsa mixer and even play music but no sound |
| 07:01.37 | AsuraLe | Driver: not card file ,but it have card0 , card1 and cards |
| 07:01.48 | Driver | cards |
| 07:02.16 | AsuraLe | 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 20 1 [NVidia_1 ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfcffc000 irq 16 |
| 07:02.28 | AsuraLe | Driver: it shows these |
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| 07:02.59 | Driver | your speaker\phone connected via hdmi? |
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| 07:04.08 | AsuraLe | Driver: no, i donot have a speaker a phone or speaker on my hdmi ,but i connect my hdmi to my tv with my graphic driver |
| 07:04.23 | AsuraLe | Driver: with my graphic card |
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| 07:05.14 | Driver | ok its via hdmi :) try execute this command with root priveleges (or with sudo) alsa force-reload |
| 07:05.18 | AsuraLe | Driver:but i havenot use it from my reinstall my debian last week~ |
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| 07:06.23 | AsuraLe | Driver: i did it ,it shows that :Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc). Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-h |
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| 07:06.55 | Driver | sound on hdmi ever worked for you? |
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| 07:07.15 | AsuraLe | Driver: i donot kown how to check if it works |
| 07:07.29 | Onlyodin | I have a VM that was apparently once running etch, and partially upgraded to lenny, but there were libc6 issues. Somehow I've managed to completely break it so that the machine wont even boot now. Any suggestions on how I can fix this? |
| 07:07.43 | AsuraLe | Driver: should i disconnect the hdmi line ? |
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| 07:09.43 | AsuraLe | Driver: how could i stop the hdmi ? |
| 07:10.21 | Driver | hmm... 2 videocards in your pc? |
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| 07:11.06 | AsuraLe | Driver: yes ,one in my mastercard , but i donot use it anyway~ |
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| 07:12.34 | AsuraLe | Driver: cannot i stop my computer using HDMI except i get away my video card? |
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| 07:13.41 | Driver | show me aplay -L |
| 07:14.24 | AsuraLe | aplaynull Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) default:CARD=NVidia HDA NVidia, ALC887-VD Analog Default Audio Device front:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, ALC887-VD Analog Front speakers surround40:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, ALC887-VD Analog 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers surround41:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 HDA NVidia, ALC887-V |
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| 07:15.51 | Driver | hmmm |
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| 07:16.09 | AsuraLe | what 's wrong with it ? |
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| 07:16.38 | AsuraLe | i couldnot understand it at all 。。 |
| 07:16.53 | Driver | your card in SLI? |
| 07:17.08 | Driver | what model? |
| 07:17.24 | AsuraLe | how to check it ? i donot kown about it , i'm fresh to linux |
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| 07:17.44 | Driver | lspci | grep VGA |
| 07:18.22 | AsuraLe | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce G210] (rev a2) |
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| 07:19.43 | innociv | Can a user not share a name with a group? |
| 07:19.56 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 07:23.55 | Driver | AsuraLe your card need to plug spdif source from other audiocards(e.g. pci or internal on motherboard) |
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| 07:25.24 | AsuraLe | Driver: yes , i want it to output from my motherbord card |
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| 07:25.51 | Driver | nvidia standalone multimedia card (sound and video) since 4xx series |
| 07:26.42 | AsuraLe | Driver: so how could i make my audio use the internal on my motherboard? |
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| 07:27.00 | Driver | 2xx and below need plug external spif source |
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| 07:27.52 | Driver | plug spdif cable on your MB spdif output and plug in svga |
| 07:28.42 | AsuraLe | Driver: my video card seems to be GT430~ |
| 07:29.06 | Driver | [15:18:22] <AsuraLe>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce G210] (rev a2) |
| 07:29.07 | AsuraLe | Driver: i use the driver NVIDIA-280.13 |
| 07:29.07 | Driver | wtf? |
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| 07:30.10 | AsuraLe | Driver: it's thinks my video card is GT210.... so how could i make out it |
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| 07:30.50 | Onlyodin | I have a debian machine that was apparently once running etch, and partially upgraded to lenny, but there were libc6 issues. Somehow (trying to install libc6) I've managed to completely break it so that the machine wont even boot now. Any suggestions on how I can fix this? I've booted from an install CD into a 'rescue' command prompt. |
| 07:31.59 | Driver | Onlyodin chrooted on your old system and try full upgrade to lenny |
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| 07:32.48 | Onlyodin | Driver, chroot gives me a Seg fault |
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| 07:33.24 | advocatu1diaboli | How can I resize a partition? On the command line, i e |
| 07:33.27 | Driver | Onlyodin backup information and reinstall. easyway :) |
| 07:33.43 | Driver | AsuraLe you have earphones? |
| 07:33.59 | debianNewie | i want to know how to detect evdo modem su-6350u in linux ? |
| 07:34.07 | Onlyodin | Driver, is there likely to be no other way? |
| 07:34.21 | AsuraLe | Driver: sorry , i just check it again ,it's a GT210. i have it ~ |
| 07:34.27 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: first figure out which version of libc6 is installed in there at the moment |
| 07:34.35 | Driver | AsuraLe try plug 3.5 jack in green port |
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| 07:34.39 | Driver | and listen |
| 07:34.44 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: there's always a way. |
| 07:35.00 | Driver | its easiest way :) |
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| 07:35.39 | Onlyodin | jelly-home, I was attempting to install libc6_2.11.2-10_i386.deb, but it was complaining about a non-dpkg version of libc6-i686 |
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| 07:35.52 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: eg. dpkg --rootdir=/path/to/chroot -l libc6 |
| 07:36.00 | AsuraLe | Driver: ok～i did it |
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| 07:37.00 | AsuraLe | Driver: is it the listen line of my earphone ? |
| 07:37.08 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: well, trying to plug a debian 6 libc onto a partial debian 4 - 5 installation without reading release notes for debian 6 is not a great idea |
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| 07:37.52 | Onlyodin | jelly-home, libc6 is 2.11.2-10, status 'iF' |
| 07:38.05 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: can you pastebin the output of dpkg --rootdir=/path/to/chroot -l 'libc6*' |
| 07:38.12 | Onlyodin | jelly-home, was that a Debian 6 package? sheesh. |
| 07:38.36 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: blame the booze |
| 07:40.05 | Onlyodin | jelly-home, I cant copy/paste from the machine but the only libc6* package 'installed' is libc6, "Desired" = i, "Status" = F |
| 07:40.41 | Onlyodin | I'd love to blame the booze. But it probably boils down to me not knowing nearly enough about debian. |
| 07:40.47 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: downgrade libc6 to lenny, get rid of libc6-i686 if you have to |
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| 07:41.33 | jelly-home | use dpkg commands similar to above |
| 07:41.47 | jelly-home | and download the (correct :-) package manually |
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| 07:42.05 | Driver | AsuraLe yes. now your internal audiocard worked |
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| 07:42.55 | jelly-home | ,versions libc6 |
| 07:42.56 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.13-18; sid: 2.13-21 |
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| 07:43.38 | Onlyodin | jelly-home, where in a mirror's tree will I find that package? |
| 07:43.58 | AsuraLe | Driver: so what could i do kown |
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| 07:45.19 | advocatu1diaboli | How can I resize a partition? On the command line, i e Is parted the tool of choice? |
| 07:45.59 | AsuraLe | Driver: so what now i should do ? |
| 07:46.15 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: pool/g/glibc/ probably, but it's probably easier to use http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
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| 07:47.13 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: make that pool/main/g/glibc/ |
| 07:47.33 | Driver | AsuraLe in alsamixer you may choose soundcard? (press F6) |
| 07:48.54 | AsuraLe | Driver: there are 3 choices default , 0 HDA-NVIDIA 1 HDA-nvidia |
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| 07:50.37 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. i've got a system running squeeze. i'm using vblade to export various disk devices. |
| 07:50.51 | pluesch0r | i've noticed that some vblade processes use a very high load, so i wanted to shut them down. |
| 07:50.51 | Onlyodin | can I do something along the lines of deb --root=/mnt -i libc6-something.deb ? |
| 07:51.03 | Onlyodin | rather, dpkg --root=... |
| 07:51.05 | pluesch0r | thing is: they do not obey to kill <PID>. they do not obey to kill -9 <PID> |
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| 07:51.41 | pluesch0r | they just create a very high load. what can i possibly do, other than reboot the box? |
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| 07:51.58 | Driver | AsuraLe show me your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (dont copypast in irc. publish on site e.g. pastebin.com) |
| 07:52.59 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: yes you can, just like above. |
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| 07:55.20 | Onlyodin | wicked, that worked well enough to boot the machine |
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| 07:56.30 | Driver | AsuraLe try reboot and disable internal soundcard in BIOS =) |
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| 07:57.23 | jelly-home | Onlyodin: fix the most obvious of remaining package breakage using dpkg --configure -a |
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| 07:57.40 | AsuraLe | Driver: http://code.bulix.org/5mlaa7-80581 |
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| 07:58.48 | mah454 | I need list of debian community . |
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| 07:59.39 | advocatu1diaboli | Can I resize my running root partition with parted without risking anything? |
| 08:00.17 | mah454 | advocatu1diaboli, You must use liveCD (gpart , systemrescueCD) |
| 08:00.55 | MaXim_ | advocatu1diaboli: there will always be risk. Just back up your data |
| 08:01.06 | advocatu1diaboli | Data is backed up |
| 08:01.16 | advocatu1diaboli | I am logged in to root volume as root |
| 08:01.21 | advocatu1diaboli | parted launched |
| 08:01.26 | jaakkos | advocatu1diaboli: some file systems can be resized online |
| 08:01.32 | advocatu1diaboli | resize 1 |
| 08:01.37 | jaakkos | such as xfs |
| 08:01.39 | advocatu1diaboli | ext3 running debian |
| 08:01.46 | AsuraLe | Driver: why i should to reboot and disable the internal soundcard in BIOS? |
| 08:02.12 | advocatu1diaboli | mah454: URI for liveCD? |
| 08:02.40 | mah454 | advocatu1diaboli, search in google |
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| 08:03.59 | mah454 | advocatu1diaboli, Download this : http://citylan.dl.sourceforge.net/project/systemrescuecd/sysresccd-x86/2.3.1/systemrescuecd-x86-2.3.1.iso |
| 08:04.09 | Driver | AsuraLe try alsaplayer -o alsa -d hw:1,0 somefile (wav or ogg) |
| 08:04.56 | Onlyodin | jelly-home, thanks again, have run dpkg --configure and will attempt to continue figuring out where this machine is at in the morning. |
| 08:05.07 | AsuraLe | Driver: try this now ? or need to reboot and disable first? |
| 08:05.14 | Driver | now |
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| 08:06.36 | AsuraLe | Driver: could i use alplay ? i donot have a alsaplayeryet |
| 08:07.02 | jelly-home | advocatu1diaboli: in general, you can't. Boot a livecd and do it from there. |
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| 08:07.27 | jelly-home | gparted has a livecd of their own |
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| 08:07.57 | Driver | aplay -d hw:1,0 file |
| 08:08.00 | jelly-home | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php but any decent live image would do |
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| 08:08.41 | AsuraLe | Driver: no sound ~ |
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| 08:09.17 | Driver | now reboot for disable internal card |
| 08:09.29 | Driver | and try listen via hdmi |
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| 08:10.01 | Driver | if no sound - you need spdif cable |
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| 08:10.13 | AsuraLe | Driver: how to try that? with my TV? |
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| 08:10.20 | Driver | yes |
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| 08:11.21 | rrrreimer | hi everyone, what packages do I need for packaging beside equivs? |
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| 08:13.34 | AsuraLe | it's seems that my graphic card donot fond my tv with the hdmi ,what should i do ? |
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| 08:15.47 | AsuraLe | Driver: now there is no sound or image on my tv ,and i couldnot found my TV in my nvidia-settings |
| 08:15.48 | babilen | rrrreimer: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/start.en.html#needprogs has a short list -- but the list of programs you need depends on the software you want to package. The plethora of VCS packaging helper such as gitpkg, git-buildpackage or svn-buildpackage are also not mentioned |
| 08:16.13 | Driver | O_o |
| 08:16.16 | rrrreimer | thanks |
| 08:16.56 | Driver | try replug hdmi and restart nvidia-settings |
| 08:17.02 | rrrreimer | babilen, I want to package a small java application |
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| 08:17.17 | babilen | rrrreimer: It really depends on what you are trying to do, but reading the NMG is a good start and will introduce you to the basics of packaging and relevant tools. |
| 08:17.54 | rrrreimer | babilen, I already packaged it for arch linux and the only difference seems to be the license location |
| 08:18.17 | rrrreimer | but I'll check the manual entirely |
| 08:18.30 | babilen | rrrreimer: In that case you might also want to take a look at javahelper and the Java policy -- Please take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Packaging. You should also be aware that packaging help is typically found in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:19.08 | rrrreimer | I read a java packaging policy but I'm not sure if that one was out-dated or somewhat |
| 08:19.29 | rrrreimer | thanks for all the advices so far :-) |
| 08:19.33 | babilen | rrrreimer: I am quite sure that you can not just adopt arch's package as Debian has different/higher standards on the packaging. |
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| 08:21.12 | babilen | rrrreimer: The Java policy is a bit outdated, yes. I would recommend to learn about debhelper and javahelper and use that. Check your package with lintian and try to follow best-practises. And please ask in #debian-mentors for comments or clarifications. #debian-java (oftc too) is also a good place, but a bunch of Java team members hang out in -mentors too. |
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| 08:22.11 | rrrreimer | oh, thanks, I'll join them |
| 08:22.59 | AsuraLe | Driver: it said i should to restart my x-server how could i do that ? |
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| 08:23.44 | Driver | logout - alt+e - login |
| 08:24.09 | rrrreimer | are there any other channels? did they move? nobody there and one of these is invited-only |
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| 08:26.00 | wols | rrrreimer: debian-mentors on oftc, not here on freenode |
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| 08:27.08 | AsuraLe | Driver: OK, |
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| 08:27.55 | rrrreimer | didn't know what oftc before |
| 08:28.00 | rrrreimer | -what |
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| 08:28.26 | AsuraLe | AsuraLe: it's seems i could not use the command aplay -d hw:1,0 ~file |
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| 08:28.57 | AsuraLe | Driver: it's seems i could not use the command aplay -d hw:1,0 ~file |
| 08:29.09 | Driver | not aplay |
| 08:29.13 | Driver | run qmmp |
| 08:29.27 | AsuraLe | Driver: i remove it ~~ |
| 08:29.35 | AsuraLe | Driver: should i reinstall it ? |
| 08:29.42 | Driver | ok. run any app with sound |
| 08:30.19 | AsuraLe | Driver: it seems only aplay now , should i use aply file ? |
| 08:30.36 | Driver | aplay file |
| 08:31.00 | AsuraLe | Driver: no sound at all |
| 08:31.04 | AsuraLe | Driver: no sound at all |
| 08:31.11 | Driver | sad :( |
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| 08:31.33 | AsuraLe | Driver: there is no sound from y TV or my earphone |
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| 08:32.17 | Driver | earphone now disabled. is internal card. but try unmuted alsamixer now |
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| 08:32.39 | AsuraLe | Driver: what should i do now ? |
| 08:32.55 | Driver | try unmuted alsamixer now |
| 08:33.18 | AsuraLe | Driver: remove it ? |
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| 08:33.37 | Driver | what remove& |
| 08:33.39 | Driver | ? |
| 08:33.55 | AsuraLe | Driver: remove alsamixer? |
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| 08:34.02 | Driver | no |
| 08:34.19 | Driver | run alsamixer and unmuted channels on card |
| 08:34.55 | AsuraLe | Driver: how to unmuted? |
| 08:35.04 | Driver | press , |
| 08:35.06 | Driver | m |
| 08:35.55 | AsuraLe | it's make the greenlight off? |
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| 08:36.29 | MaXim_ | hmm |
| 08:36.42 | MaXim_ | where can I put xmodmap stuff so that it will be automatically run on startup of X? |
| 08:37.01 | AsuraLe | Driver: i turn off all of them in card 0 and card 1 |
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| 08:38.08 | Driver | try play sound |
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| 08:39.46 | AsuraLe | Driver: there is no sound when i play with or without -d hw:1,0 |
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| 08:43.01 | AsuraLe | Driver: i found there is some strange in my alsamixer |
| 08:43.34 | AsuraLe | Driver: it's shows item:master [db gain:0.00] |
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| 08:46.41 | sino_ | can somebody explain to me the difference between 127.0.0.1/8 and 127.0.0.1/32 |
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| 08:47.26 | nameless` | sino_: yes |
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| 08:48.06 | nameless` | sino_: well, it's all about the network mask |
| 08:48.13 | nameless` | sino_: do you know what is the CIDR ? |
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| 08:49.00 | sino_ | nameless`: not from the acronym |
| 08:49.40 | nameless` | sino_: well the number behind the / (8 or 32 here) is the number of bits from the address (here 127.0.0.1) used to identify the network |
| 08:49.59 | nameless` | sino_: an IP address retains two information, the network and the host |
| 08:50.04 | sino_ | nameless`: so there can be 2 networks one which is /8 and one which is /32 ? |
| 08:50.13 | sino_ | interestingt |
| 08:50.14 | nameless` | sino_: not exactly, |
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| 08:50.23 | nameless` | sino_: because the /32 belongs to the /8 |
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| 08:50.31 | sino_ | ah |
| 08:50.42 | nameless` | by the way, 127.0.0.1/8 is for your loopback interface |
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| 08:51.17 | nameless` | sino_: for instance 192.168.0.0/24 and 192.168.1.0/24 are two different subnet |
| 08:51.20 | sino_ | nameless`: yes i know this. so the reason i am asking is becuase my mailserver is whitlisting 127.0.0.1/8 and somebody suggested to change that to /32 but i dont understand why :) |
| 08:51.29 | nameless` | ha |
| 08:51.30 | nameless` | hmm |
| 08:51.31 | sino_ | nameless`: yes that i know |
| 08:52.09 | nameless` | i don't see obvious reason |
| 08:52.34 | sino_ | nameless`: the guy even went so far to say that its 'STUPID' to use /8 as opposed to /32 |
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| 08:52.41 | sino_ | (8 was the default) |
| 08:52.44 | babilen | sino_: How many hosts do you have in your subnet? |
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| 08:53.30 | AsuraLe | Driver: what should i do now ? |
| 08:53.51 | nameless` | sino_: maybe he was just trolling :) |
| 08:54.02 | nameless` | sino_: but really i don't see obvious reason |
| 08:54.56 | nameless` | sino_: yeah, you could have two mail server, one on 127.0.0.1/32 and the other 127.0.0.2/32 but still... |
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| 08:59.57 | AsuraLe | Driver: how could i do with my pc ? |
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| 09:08.18 | AsuraLe | Driver: i found some other sthing , i run alsamixergui ,and i found some chanle could not be closed |
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| 09:08.49 | rascal999 | anyone familiar with debsecan? |
| 09:09.00 | AsuraLe | Driver: some chanle i closed in alsamixer but it seems be open in alsamixergui |
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| 09:11.07 | TomyLobo | hi |
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| 09:11.40 | TomyLobo | is it possible to install a debian package in one's user folder and still have it work just as if the system admin had installed it? |
| 09:12.04 | TomyLobo | apt-get install <package> --user or something maybe? |
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| 09:17.08 | hartzie | TomyLobo how do you think could that work? |
| 09:17.38 | TomyLobo | by putting a folder in one's home directory into the path maybe |
| 09:17.49 | TomyLobo | and then installingthe binaries there |
| 09:18.04 | TomyLobo | same with libs, includes etc |
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| 09:18.24 | TomyLobo | include* |
| 09:18.27 | hartzie | then you should better download the sources and compile them by yourself |
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| 09:18.49 | hartzie | you would have to need a new root directory |
| 09:19.07 | TomyLobo | what about things like fakeroot? |
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| 09:20.06 | a_l_e | hi. i have a intel on board audio card (Intel Corrporation 6 Series/C200 rev05)... any idea which module i could need? |
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| 09:20.18 | hartzie | thats just für file manipulation not an alternative root directory |
| 09:20.56 | hartzie | for |
| 09:21.06 | streuner | a_l_e: its a kernel thingie, what kind of kernel do you use (cat /proc/version)? |
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| 09:21.47 | a_l_e | streuner: 3.0.0-11-amd64 from testing |
| 09:22.21 | streuner | a_l_e: and the kernel is able to see the audicard? |
| 09:22.39 | a_l_e | lspci shows me the audio card... |
| 09:22.39 | AsuraLe | how could i make my voice not output to my HDMI?? and it's not goto my TV with my HDMI line at all ~~ |
| 09:23.13 | streuner | a_l_e: a good sign, dmesg as well? |
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| 09:24.05 | TomyLobo | hartzie is there anything short of a VM that provides an alternative root? |
| 09:24.10 | Bushmills | AsuraLe: disable mic input on mixer, or pull it down. |
| 09:24.25 | streuner | a_l_e: if, the kernel should already loaded, just take a look at lsmod |
| 09:24.27 | a_l_e | streuner: ... yes, it looks like it's recognizing it... |
| 09:24.51 | a_l_e | snd has snd_hda_intel and some others... |
| 09:24.56 | a_l_e | i think i'll try to reboot... |
| 09:25.04 | streuner | why |
| 09:25.40 | AsuraLe | Bushmills: i turn off all of i can off in my alsamixer , and i found someone in alsamixer it shows open ,and i couldnot control it |
| 09:25.42 | streuner | Did you load some other sound modules before? |
| 09:25.55 | a_l_e | i've installed some gst and alsa packages... maybe something is just wrongly setup... |
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| 09:26.07 | hartzie | TomyLobo maybe you tell what you want to accomplish if i get want you want to do maybe there is a different way |
| 09:27.01 | TomyLobo | i want to try out a debian package without manually extracting it |
| 09:27.12 | TomyLobo | and without su |
| 09:27.40 | AsuraLe | Bushmills: i just try to install an qmmp ,and i found it's no sound! so i remove it ! |
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| 09:28.05 | guzu | hello all |
| 09:28.24 | TomyLobo | a bunch of them actually. dependencies and such |
| 09:28.26 | AsuraLe | Bushmills: finally ,it's not only no sound in my qmmp ,the qmmp make my pc not any sound at all |
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| 09:28.28 | guzu | how can i boot the latest debian arm iso under qemu or another emulator? |
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| 09:29.13 | AsuraLe | Bushmills: and then ,i tried to reinstall the alsa , install and remove pulseaudio ,but it doesnot work at all |
| 09:29.14 | Bushmills | "no sound at all" also implies "your voice not on HDMI" |
| 09:30.42 | AsuraLe | Bushmills: but i just Driver tell me that my pc use HDMI to output my voice , and sadly ,now Driver and I found that ,my HDMI model is in used ,and could not stop it |
| 09:31.30 | rascal999 | debsecan fails to pick up all security updates, could this be because the feed is out of date? |
| 09:31.53 | a_l_e | a reboot didn't help... |
| 09:34.01 | advocatu1diaboli | Is resizing a root partition high risk? Or low risk? |
| 09:34.18 | advocatu1diaboli | Any chance of success at all? |
| 09:34.25 | MaXim_ | it will probably work |
| 09:34.29 | MaXim_ | but why take a chance |
| 09:34.36 | advocatu1diaboli | I have a backup |
| 09:34.40 | MaXim_ | just do it then |
| 09:34.40 | advocatu1diaboli | The image is 8GB |
| 09:34.46 | advocatu1diaboli | I am trying to make it 150 GB |
| 09:35.06 | MaXim_ | expanding is a lot easier than contracting |
| 09:35.08 | MaXim_ | you'll be fine |
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| 09:37.36 | advocatu1diaboli | MaXim_: It now looks like this http://pastie.org/private/0p1q0hgnre7bvwetbx8na |
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| 09:39.06 | advocatu1diaboli | I am a little unsure which measures it takes |
| 09:39.13 | michelem | hello folks |
| 09:39.14 | advocatu1diaboli | this resize command |
| 09:40.20 | advocatu1diaboli | Error: Partition /dev/sda1 is being used. You must unmount it before you modify |
| 09:40.27 | advocatu1diaboli | it with Parted. |
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| 09:40.32 | advocatu1diaboli | It’s the running system... |
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| 09:40.50 | advocatu1diaboli | So I guess it’s not possible to change the running system. |
| 09:41.32 | michelem | where do I find documentation on ifupdown? |
| 09:41.49 | nameless` | advocatu1diaboli: are you using lvm ? |
| 09:41.56 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: I would generally suggest to resize the partitions and filesystems offline (i.e. from a live CD) -- Which filesystem do you use and what is your filesystem layout (i.e. the output of "mount") |
| 09:42.09 | michelem | I want to touch a "workflag" in pre-up and remove it in "post-down", but I want to have it removed if any intermediate step fails. |
| 09:42.14 | babilen | michelem: "man ifup" + "man ifdown" |
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| 09:42.27 | michelem | babilen: grossly insufficient |
| 09:42.36 | advocatu1diaboli | ext3 |
| 09:42.41 | advocatu1diaboli | debian |
| 09:42.42 | streuner | a_l_e: hm, did you use a live CD yet, for example Knoppix or grml? |
| 09:42.46 | babilen | michelem: You probably also want to read "man 5 interfaces" |
| 09:42.49 | nameless` | advocatu1diaboli: is a a primary partition or a lvm volume group ? |
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| 09:42.58 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: Do you use LVM? |
| 09:43.03 | a_l_e | streuner: ... no... |
| 09:43.17 | a_l_e | ut i have ubuntu installed on it, too... |
| 09:43.25 | a_l_e | let's test it there... |
| 09:43.26 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: Could you paste the output of "mount" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 09:44.34 | streuner | a_l_e: also, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 09:45.59 | streuner | a_l_e: pciid woud helpful too (lspci -nn) |
| 09:46.12 | a_l_e | ok, under ubuntu i can listen to an internet radio over flash... |
| 09:46.38 | streuner | check out <alsa checklist> then... |
| 09:47.44 | a_l_e | is there any infomration i should look at in ubunt that it could help in debian? |
| 09:47.47 | advocatu1diaboli | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/131541/ |
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| 09:48.06 | advocatu1diaboli | nameless`: primary |
| 09:48.21 | streuner | a_l_e: usually you dont need any configuration for ALSA... |
| 09:49.02 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: Ok, now "df -h" and "fdisk -l /dev/sda" (fdisk needs to be run as root/with sudo) → http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:49.21 | a_l_e | rebooting into debian... |
| 09:49.33 | babilen | michelem: Does the interfaces manpage answer your question? |
| 09:50.00 | advocatu1diaboli | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/131542/ |
| 09:50.39 | michelem | babilen: I find more there, but not what I need |
| 09:52.32 | streuner | a_l_e: you mentioned some apps you installed for your sound before, did they make any changes to the config? If not, i would google with pciid and debian about a ug then... |
| 09:52.41 | a_l_e | ok, streuner... i went through the checklist and the first item was the good one... |
| 09:52.49 | streuner | ah well |
| 09:52.56 | a_l_e | no idea why, but i was not in the audio group... |
| 09:53.13 | streuner | Debian doesnt make that auto... |
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| 09:53.53 | a_l_e | well, i'm not sure that it's a good idea not to ask for the current user being added to the audio group when setting up the sound system... |
| 09:54.16 | a_l_e | 3 hours lost... just because pitivi refuses to launch if the sound system is not working... aaargh! |
| 09:54.40 | a_l_e | and all in all: just because youtube does not accept the ogv files created by recordmydesktop... |
| 09:55.38 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: Ok, that should be pretty straightforward. Boot into a live CD, run fsck on /dev/sda1 (i.e. "e2fsck -n /dev/sda1"), then disable tje ext3 journal ("tune2fs -O^has_journal /dev/sda1"), run parted and resize the partition (you can also use gparted for a GUI) .. |
| 09:56.50 | advocatu1diaboli | babilen: So it can not be done live on a running system? |
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| 09:57.31 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: Once you've resized the partition you can resize the filesystem with resize2fs (resize2fs /dev/sda1) and enable the journal again with "tune2fs -j /dev/sda1") |
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| 09:58.26 | babilen | advocatu1diaboli: I wouldn't do it on a running system, but it can be done. |
| 09:59.06 | a_l_e | ok, at least now i have some good music in the background... |
| 09:59.24 | a_l_e | ... indian food warming up in the kitchen... |
| 09:59.28 | a_l_e | the day can only get better :-) |
| 09:59.34 | a_l_e | thanks for your help! |
| 10:00.21 | babilen | a_l_e: How can it get better? Sounds pretty nice already :) </off-topic> |
| 10:00.25 | Iridos | sounds like a slight on vi... |
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| 10:01.07 | Iridos | (pitivi --> pity, vi) |
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| 10:08.19 | xok | hello all |
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| 10:14.50 | ffk27 | its pretty dead here |
| 10:14.56 | ffk27 | debian is to stable |
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| 10:27.47 | minkben | how do I use nano as input to a process? Something like: mailx a@b.c < 'nano stdin' |
| 10:27.53 | minkben | but working |
| 10:28.58 | dimir | minkben: try: env EDITOR=nano mailx a@b.c |
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| 10:29.30 | minkben | mailx reads from stdin, it doesn't use an editor |
| 10:30.02 | ffk27 | mailx a@b.c < `nano stdin` |
| 10:30.15 | ffk27 | ` |
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| 10:33.34 | dimir | r$ man mailx | col -b | grep EDITOR |
| 10:33.34 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.37 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.20 | minkben | it's not the edit command, it's sending mail |
| 10:35.10 | dimir | OK, well, sorry then. I've never used mailx anyway. |
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| 10:35.53 | minkben | I just find it weird that I can't make nano write to standard output |
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| 10:41.01 | advocatu1diaboli | I now got partedmagic loaded, it’s slow as a can of malacid? or however that is spelled... |
| 10:41.05 | advocatu1diaboli | But OK |
| 10:41.57 | AsuraLe | how could stop a remove a module from my pc? |
| 10:42.12 | gnarface | hey people. google says this error comes from not having kernel headers but i have them: "/usr/include/linux/errno.h:4:23: fatal error: asm/errno.h: No such file or directory" |
| 10:42.22 | Iridos | minkben, that doesn't make any sense as a command |
| 10:42.58 | Iridos | you can't "edit stdin" anyway, as this is where your editor commands would come from |
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| 10:44.11 | Arafangion | gnarface: Evidently, you do not have your kernel headers. |
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| 10:46.24 | gnarface | Arafangion: could it be that my kernel version is too old? |
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| 10:49.06 | Arafangion | gnarface: No, I think you just don't have your kernel headers installed. |
| 10:50.39 | advocatu1diaboli | babilen: I got gparted launched, it’s some sort of GUI tool. |
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| 10:50.54 | gnarface | Arafangion: i assure you that i have them, and i have the file /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm/errno.h |
| 10:51.01 | advocatu1diaboli | My little partition is selected |
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| 10:51.48 | Iridos | !tell gnarface -about apt-file |
| 10:52.02 | Iridos | what does this return: uname -a && (dpkg -l linux-\* )|grep ^ii ) |
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| 10:53.10 | advocatu1diaboli | Can I just click Resize/Move drag the thing out and save, then reboot? |
| 10:53.14 | advocatu1diaboli | Or is there more to it? |
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| 10:54.24 | gnarface | Iridos: syntax error |
| 10:54.39 | Iridos | err |
| 10:54.42 | gnarface | Iridos: why did you show me that? |
| 10:54.55 | Iridos | one ) was too many: uname -a && (dpkg -l linux-\* |grep ^ii ) |
| 10:54.57 | gnarface | Iridos: did you think i did not know about apt file or something? |
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| 10:55.14 | gnarface | Iridos: $ dpkg -S /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm/errno.h |
| 10:55.14 | gnarface | linux-libc-dev: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm/errno.h |
| 10:55.28 | wols | gnarface: what are you trying to compile? |
| 10:55.29 | Iridos | gnarface, 'cause there was no reason to ask google, you could have just looked where asm/errno.h is |
| 10:56.01 | wols | asm/errno.h can be for kernel or for userland |
| 10:56.22 | gnarface | wine-1.3.28 |
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| 10:59.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | hasnt someone talked about the asm/errrno.h problem on deb-dev recently? |
| 10:59.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | as in, the last week or two? |
| 10:59.43 | valberg | anyone here have couchdb running on debian sid? |
| 10:59.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | it was in a discussion on multiarch |
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| 11:00.14 | wols | !tell valberg about anyone |
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| 11:01.02 | valberg | wols: heh heh - well that's basically my question. if they are I want to know how they did it ... |
| 11:01.04 | wols | gnarface: then it should be /usr/include/asm/errno.h |
| 11:01.27 | wols | valberg: no then that's not your question. /msg dpkg errors |
| 11:01.49 | valberg | wols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642218 |
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| 11:02.12 | vlt | !no |
| 11:02.12 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 11:02.43 | wols | valberg: have you installed libmozjs2d? |
| 11:02.53 | valberg | wols: i'm not able to... |
| 11:02.56 | gnarface | wols: linux-headers-3.0.0-1-common or linux-headers-3.0.0-1-common-rt? |
| 11:02.57 | wols | valberg: wrong |
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| 11:03.04 | wols | gnarface: neither |
| 11:03.17 | vlt | o-kay ... "Topic for #debian-no: Sarge er stable og Etch er i testing. www.debian.org , www.debian-administration.org" ;-) |
| 11:03.34 | gnarface | wols whence then? |
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| 11:03.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | vlt: the lenny cds haven't arrived there yet :) |
| 11:03.52 | valberg | wols: i don't know about you, but i read "Depends: libmozjs2d (>= 1.9.1) but it is not installable." as if it is not _installable_ |
| 11:03.58 | vlt | Kamping_Kaiser: hehe |
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| 11:04.26 | Iridos | judd, versions libmozjs2d |
| 11:04.28 | judd | Package: libmozjs2d on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.1.16-6; lenny-backports: 1.9.1.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.9.1.16-8; squeeze-security: 1.9.1.16-9 |
| 11:04.35 | valberg | yup |
| 11:04.40 | wols | gnarface: libc6-dev normally. have you install the build deps for wine yet? |
| 11:04.40 | valberg | Iridos: already been there :( |
| 11:04.49 | Iridos | it's there for squeeze |
| 11:04.54 | valberg | that's why i've written the bugreport |
| 11:04.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | are you running sid and being surprised its not working correctly? |
| 11:05.09 | valberg | Iridos: is there such a thing as forwardports? |
| 11:05.11 | gnarface | wols: yes, some time ago. this should have been the 20th or 30th copy of wine i've compiled |
| 11:05.25 | valberg | Kamping_Kaiser: no not surprised - just a bit annoyed :) |
| 11:05.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 11:05.31 | wols | valberg: why can't you fix a simple dependency problem? you run sid. you should be able to do so |
| 11:05.39 | Iridos | dpkg? |
| 11:05.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: are you on testing? |
| 11:05.47 | Iridos | wazzit with that guy |
| 11:05.56 | wols | gnarface: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:06.04 | wols | that is, if you really need/want kernel headers |
| 11:06.13 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: uh, no sid but i do have x11 pinned back to testing :( |
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| 11:06.25 | gnarface | wols: i have it already |
| 11:06.26 | valberg | wols: well just because i run sid doesn't mean i'm a instant debian super user |
| 11:06.28 | wols | valberg: please reinstall debian stable |
| 11:06.41 | valberg | wols: well then my wireless won't work ;) |
| 11:06.52 | wols | valberg: but to be able to run sid, it is assumed you are a debian super user. and to be able to fix such minor problems yourself |
| 11:07.12 | wols | valberg: what kernel does your wireless need? |
| 11:07.13 | Iridos | dunno, is it minor? |
| 11:07.14 | valberg | wols: and it is not allowed to ask for help and directions? |
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| 11:07.40 | Iridos | depends on if you only need to remove the dependency or if the program still depends on it, no? |
| 11:07.40 | wols | Iridos: it might not be, but he doesn't know if it is since he hasn't tried anything. like trying to install the moz js engine |
| 11:07.45 | wols | !sid |
| 11:07.45 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 11:08.24 | Arafangion | Even then, don't use sid. |
| 11:09.06 | Iridos | valberg, note that this channel is for stable, there is #debian-next on oftc for people running testing and anyone running sid should feel comfortable and joyful about fixing bugs themselves :P |
| 11:09.09 | wols | valberg: you now know that libmozjs2d is available. please try to install it |
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| 11:09.25 | valberg | so basically you are not allowed to use sid to ACUIRE the skills to find your way out of a mess |
| 11:09.43 | valberg | wols: i'll try :) thnx |
| 11:09.43 | jelly | gives valberg a Q |
| 11:09.45 | wols | valberg: you can run stable to acquire the ksills |
| 11:09.56 | valberg | Iridos: ahh cool - thnx for the heads up |
| 11:09.58 | wols | *skills |
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| 11:10.55 | Iridos | valberg, basically: no. Problems in sid are so common, if you ask about every single one, you're there all month :P |
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| 11:11.27 | rypervenche | valberg: Testing may be better suited to your needs. |
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| 11:11.51 | valberg | Iridos: actually I've had less problems with sid than with stable - and this couchdb is more of an annoyance than a "problem" per se |
| 11:11.53 | spal | why is debian (wheezy) aptitude full-upgrade trying to install DECNet? |
| 11:11.55 | wols | valberg: especially since there is no reason why testing won't support your wlan. most probably even stable+kernel backport would support your wlan just fine |
| 11:12.25 | wols | spal: cause debian has "recommends". and they are evil. and if you do install decnet, your network may break. very very badly. don't install it ever |
| 11:12.59 | spal | wols, okay |
| 11:13.00 | rypervenche | wols: Thanks for that. I had that too, purging it now :P |
| 11:13.27 | Iridos | valberg, ha... actually that happened to me once, too... but then testing was about to release... for hardware support, you can run a newer kernel on stable, that's usually sufficient. The good tihng about stable is, that no new packages enter it at all until next release... so usually if you fix a problem in stable it stays fixed for 2-3 years (or less, depending where in the release cycle you install it) |
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| 11:14.37 | wgo | Hi all, I am getting Fatal error: Call to undefined method DateTime::diff() on php 5.3.3 on Debian. Is there a package I can install? |
| 11:15.05 | rypervenche | spal: Do you happen to know what the package name is? I can't seem to find it on my system. |
| 11:15.56 | wols | rypervenche: dnet-common |
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| 11:17.08 | valberg | Iridos: the problem was that the driver for my wireless was introduced in firmware-linux-nonfree 0.31 iirc - and stable has <0.31 - I tried with backports but somehow it didn't work (can really recall why) |
| 11:18.14 | rypervenche | wols: Thank you. |
| 11:18.17 | wols | valberg: drivers are not in a firmware package |
| 11:18.48 | wols | what you need to do is use a backport kernel and this firmware 0.31 package from testing |
| 11:19.08 | valberg | wols: sorry - the firmware for my wireless |
| 11:19.17 | themill | wgo: are you sure that's the version of php you're using? |
| 11:19.19 | wols | valberg: which wlan chip do you have? |
| 11:19.44 | wgo | themill, yep I just realised that - was in wrong shell I need 5.3 |
| 11:19.49 | themill | wgo: (and are you sure that your php code is correct) |
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| 11:20.11 | valberg | wols: 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
| 11:20.26 | wols | !RTL8191SE |
| 11:20.26 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 11:20.28 | wgo | yep, code works on my dev server and not on my production - just need a bigger version of PHP themill - sorry to bother |
| 11:20.34 | themill | wgo: ahh... that sounds more plausible. You need to upgrade from lenny to squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze; you only have a few months of lenny security support left anyway so now is a good time to put your upgrade plans into practice. |
| 11:20.58 | wgo | themill, ooh scary times for my production server |
| 11:21.02 | wols | :( for this one you need a testing or sid kernel. still: please run testing. it's only marginally better than sid for your purposes but still better |
| 11:21.59 | valberg | wols: cool cool - i'll try it out :) thanks for the help anyways |
| 11:22.14 | gnarface | did nvidia ever fix the abi problem with x11? |
| 11:22.37 | wols | valberg: your couchdb problem will persist tho |
| 11:22.47 | wols | not yet afaik |
| 11:23.07 | wols | and $deity knows how long it then takes for it to show up in sid... |
| 11:23.13 | wgo | themill, should I change my sources to squeeze stable |
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| 11:24.56 | themill | wgo: you shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list (/msg dpkg stable sources.list). You should follow the release notes. |
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| 11:26.30 | me-1 | hi when I try to boot into debian i get this error ...http://picpaste.com/Image0022-UGtCS6gB.jpg...how to solve it..? |
| 11:27.30 | wols | me-1: can you boot debian or another linux? e.g. via CD? |
| 11:28.10 | me-1 | wols, via cd..? explain please |
| 11:28.29 | wols | you installed debian how? |
| 11:29.07 | me-1 | wols, i installed when it was released it was working fi |
| 11:29.15 | me-1 | fine |
| 11:29.19 | wols | I didn't ask "when" but "how" |
| 11:29.30 | Shadur | Huh. Kernel.org is down? |
| 11:29.31 | me-1 | wols, by CD |
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| 11:30.00 | wols | me-1: then use that CD to boot debian and fix your grub installation. for a way how do boot your debian: /msg dpkg fixgrub |
| 11:30.09 | wols | the fixing of grub is however not like that in your case |
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| 11:30.41 | wols | tho it depends on exactly what whent wrong |
| 11:31.04 | petern__ | Shadur, well they had a break-in a while ago |
| 11:31.17 | wols | and powered it down. kernel is not on github |
| 11:31.40 | me-1 | wols, i think grub is fine as lets my chosse normal boot and recovery but later this error appeares |
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| 11:31.55 | Arafangion | wols: Didn't linus put his tree on github? |
| 11:32.06 | wols | me-1: no it's not find. it gives the kernel for some reason or other a wrong uuid for the / filesystem |
| 11:32.27 | wols | Arafangion: kernel is *now on github. mea culpa |
| 11:32.55 | me-1 | wols, any solution I am a inexperienced user |
| 11:33.07 | wols | me-1: and to fix it, you first have to be able to boot and let grub regenerate its configuration |
| 11:33.20 | wols | yes there is a solution and I told you what to do above |
| 11:33.36 | wols | me-1: what did you do that it suddenly stopped booting? |
| 11:33.42 | me-1 | wols, can i use an ubuntu live cd..? |
| 11:33.50 | wols | yes, a ubuntu live cd is fine |
| 11:33.54 | Iridos | "break-in"? |
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| 11:34.30 | wols | Iridos: yes a break in |
| 11:34.37 | me-1 | wols, whould i reinstall grub.. using ubuntu live CD |
| 11:34.43 | Iridos | wonders why that wasn't in the news |
| 11:34.56 | wols | you can reinstall grub but reinstalling grub is not what you need to do to fix your problem |
| 11:35.02 | wols | Iridos: it was |
| 11:35.03 | Iridos | I noticed that it was down for a couple of days, though |
| 11:35.10 | me-1 | wols, what else |
| 11:35.16 | ascheel | me-1: an ubuntu live CD will require you to do it manually. A Debian boot CD will more than likely fix it itself without much interaction, if I remember right |
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| 11:35.26 | Arafangion | Iridos: Probably because it had little meaningful impact. |
| 11:35.32 | Iridos | not in the regular media... all busy with greece and the euro |
| 11:35.34 | wols | me-1: find out what the current UUID is of your / fs and use that instead |
| 11:35.57 | wols | Iridos: no one in mainstream media cares about such things. but every tech news site reported it |
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| 11:36.36 | me-1 | wols, can you provide any link how to solve this issue..? |
| 11:36.47 | wols | me-1: no I cannot |
| 11:37.03 | mroe | Is it possible to assign ttySN aliases? |
| 11:37.03 | wols | me-1: again: what did you do to make it stop booting? |
| 11:37.12 | me-1 | ascheel, how i can solve it by debian cd..? |
| 11:37.28 | wols | !tell me-1 about fixgrub |
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| 11:37.49 | me-1 | wols, i did not do anything |
| 11:38.01 | mroe | I want to buy a handful of usb to serial adapters and use them to have access to the console of various embedded devices, but as soon as you have more than 2 or 3 serial devices it can get difficult to keep them straight |
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| 11:39.08 | wols | mroe: the name of a ttySx is irrelevant, only the major/minor device node number is. you'd probably have to write your own udev script(s) |
| 11:39.32 | mroe | gotcha, I will investigate |
| 11:39.33 | mroe | thanks |
| 11:39.47 | rrrreimer | is there a tool which decompresses the compressed changelogs in /usr/share/doc/<package/changelog-Debian.gz? |
| 11:40.08 | rrrreimer | I mean which automatically decompresses it and 'less' it |
| 11:40.20 | wols | rrrreimer: use zless ? |
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| 11:40.53 | rrrreimer | wols, thanks I didn't know that tool |
| 11:41.12 | rrrreimer | and what tool is used to read gz-compressed html documentation? |
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| 11:44.42 | streuner | mc? |
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| 11:45.58 | wols | since all browsers can receive gzipped webpages, shouldn't they be able to read gzipped html files too? |
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| 11:52.44 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 11:53.37 | Azrael_- | i have a bridge with several virtual machines. i need to modify the mac adress for some of the packages sent to/from the bridge based on mac and/or ip. is this somehow possible? |
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| 11:55.09 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:10.53 | pp | hello everyone |
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| 12:11.19 | Bushmills | Azrael_-: with kvm, yes. mac=... |
| 12:11.40 | Bushmills | oh. "of packets" ... not "of interface" |
| 12:11.56 | Bushmills | assuming "packages" is meant to mean "packets" |
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| 12:13.38 | Bushmills | with different ip addresses, each bridged virtual interface should respond to who-has arp requests with their own mac address before a packet gets sent. that's probably were you'd determine the destination MAC |
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| 12:17.23 | Azrael_- | Bushmills: i use xen |
| 12:17.31 | Bushmills | i don't |
| 12:17.35 | Azrael_- | :) |
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| 12:17.52 | Azrael_- | yeah, i meant packets |
| 12:18.23 | gnarface | err:module:attach_process_dlls "MSVCR80.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
| 12:18.26 | Azrael_- | the interfaces respond properly but sometimes the dc sends the packets with the wrong mac and i want to change this |
| 12:18.44 | Azrael_- | what package did i have to reconfigure (dpkg-reconfigure) to use less with man? |
| 12:18.47 | Bushmills | check your arp table |
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| 12:19.06 | rrrreimer | wols, whenever I try to open html.gz firefox opens the download dialog, I think it's a difference between getting a compressed website from a server and from localhost |
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| 12:19.35 | Tobias| | Any weird peculiarities I should know of if booting debian/win8 from the same SSD? (or, for that matter, any weird pecularities when using Debian on an SSD at all?) |
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| 12:20.52 | colo-work | Tobias|, use ext4 as your fs of choice |
| 12:20.58 | colo-work | consider running a backports kernel if you go stable |
| 12:21.01 | Arafangion | Tobias|: Managing the time can be annoying. |
| 12:21.41 | Tobias| | That'll be no big issue. Install win8, let it mangle my clock, and tell debian to account for that during installation :) |
| 12:21.50 | Tobias| | More worried about the drive side of things |
| 12:22.19 | Tobias| | Ext4 is better for the SSD because of less journaling than ext3, right? |
| 12:22.31 | Arafangion | ext4 is simply faster. |
| 12:22.41 | colo-work | you can use ext4 without journal if you want to, but ext4 is both faster and supports DSM/TRIM |
| 12:23.16 | Tobias| | Alright |
| 12:23.18 | Tobias| | Will do |
| 12:23.45 | Tobias| | If I have partition across both an HDD and SSD, which are better to have on the SSD? |
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| 12:24.54 | angel56 | Tobias|: have you looked into the UEFI of win8 yet? |
| 12:25.13 | abrotman | angel56: isn't that a hardware issue, not an OS issue? |
| 12:25.28 | angel56 | Tobias|: it could pose some problems trying to dual boot |
| 12:25.29 | abrotman | IOW, UEFI of <manuf> |
| 12:25.35 | Tobias| | read about it, angel56 |
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| 12:25.49 | Tobias| | But I can't imagine it causing problems for now |
| 12:26.02 | Azrael_- | Bushmills: why check my arp-table? if the dc send me packets with the correct ip but from mac from the routers. how can the arp-table help me with this? |
| 12:27.44 | Bushmills | because the arp table determines what interface a packet is sent to, when its destination gets reduced from "ip address" to "interface with that ip address" |
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| 12:28.57 | Bushmills | so there'd be the possibilities that the destination ip address was wrong from the beginning, or the arp table contains incorrect MACs |
| 12:29.10 | Bushmills | or some problem looking up MAC from ip address |
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| 12:30.29 | Bushmills | i suppose the question shouldn't be "how do i change a wrong destination MAC to the correct one", but "why is a wrong MAC used as destination" |
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| 12:30.48 | Bushmills | or, fix the cause, not the symptoms |
| 12:33.23 | Azrael_- | the problem is the following: the dc wants each vm to listen/send with one specific mac (not a generic one). thus the vms also act if the packets arrive with the correct mac. but sometimes the dc has problems with the correct setup of the ip-mac assignment in their routers. thus i either don't get any packets or i get the packets with the wrong mac. |
| 12:33.56 | Azrael_- | ofc the dc tries so solve it as fast as possible but often it isn't fast enough for me. so i want to correct the incoming packages if the dc hasn't reacted properly so far |
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| 12:43.49 | haking9 | hi guys, I represent a magazine for IT security professionals by IT security professionals. (there is almost 100 000 people from IT branch reading us every month) |
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| 12:43.49 | haking9 | For more information please visit www.hakin9.org |
| 12:43.49 | haking9 | I am looking forward to hearing from you. |
| 12:43.49 | haking9 | Best regards |
| 12:43.49 | haking9 | piotr.klimaszewski@software.com.pl |
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| 12:44.29 | sammi` | ah |
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| 12:48.42 | afuentes | hi, im looking for the scripts that debian uses to compile the packages to the different archs... are they available? |
| 12:48.51 | afuentes | the naming of the packages and so on |
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| 12:51.28 | spal | Now, I have got a bug with reportbug. When I launch reportbug, it hangs. Now how do I report this bug? |
| 12:51.55 | Iridos | fix the problem you have with reportbug |
| 12:53.02 | spal | Iridos, Is there no alternative to file a bug? |
| 12:53.25 | jicko3 | would you recommend installing on a Crucial M4 64GB SSD? If yes, what filesystem when reliability is more important than performance? |
| 12:53.25 | ansgar | spal: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 12:53.34 | jicko3 | *I mean installing Debian |
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| 12:55.30 | boudiccas | jicko3; ext3 |
| 12:56.56 | jicko3 | boudiccas: ok, thanks |
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| 12:57.52 | boudiccas | jicko3; yw |
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| 12:58.18 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 12:58.40 | ass | i have a question. why do both ends need ip address on SLIP link?? I mean, can't they just use device name??? |
| 12:59.31 | gypsymauro | there is a way to achieve this: apt-get install aprogram , apt-get install a lot of dependencies of 'aprogram' then something like apt-get remove-all-dependencies aprogam it removes aprogram and all dependencies? |
| 12:59.46 | jicko3 | lol? |
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| 13:00.50 | sammi` | ass: why not ask on #networking |
| 13:00.58 | jicko3 | nice command: apt-get remove-all-dependencies |
| 13:02.56 | Iridos | spal, you can just send email... (ansgar already gave you the url) reportbug just makes sure you include some of the necessary information |
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| 13:05.11 | spal | Iridos, yes, doing that. |
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| 13:13.50 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello there. I'm having a problem getting a class-compliant USB sound card to work in Debian Stable. Testing with 2.6.32, 2.6.39, and 3.0.0 kernels on ALSA 1.0.23, I get this: http://pastebin.com/hNVCLi91 |
| 13:13.59 | tdn | I have to add a file to a debian package. The file is a wrapper script that should be installed in /usr/bin. Is there a common way of adding such a file to a debian package? |
| 13:14.11 | Pegasus_RPG | I already sent a message to the alsa-user mailing list but figured I'd ask in here too |
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| 13:15.05 | Pegasus_RPG | Should I report this as a bug? |
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| 13:16.45 | Iridos | tdn, no... put it in /usr/local/bin along with other non-packaged stuff or make a separate package for it that depends on the package you want to use... if you add it to the package, it will be gone when next time that package is upgraded |
| 13:16.59 | a_l_e | my default terminal emulator is lxterm.. which should (if i understood it correctly) launch xterm. |
| 13:17.48 | tdn | Iridos, it is to be added to a package. I think of adding the line "cat metaconfig-wrapper.sh > $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/metaconfig" to resources/Makefile, however, I am not sure how to make sure it gets proper permissions (+x) |
| 13:17.51 | a_l_e | i've set some settings in .Xresources and "manually" launching xterm gets the settings... but launching lxterm does not... |
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| 13:21.24 | crissi | hello. i want to know where i can find updated packages for kde4 (e.g. 4.7) |
| 13:21.35 | crissi | 4.4.5 is quite old. |
| 13:21.45 | a_l_e | ok, sorted it out... |
| 13:21.46 | crissi | 4.6 in testing is also quite old. |
| 13:21.49 | a_l_e | lxterm was calling uxterm which is a wrapper around xterm... |
| 13:21.57 | a_l_e | and uxterm settings start with UXTerm* instead of XTerm* ... |
| 13:21.57 | Amarande | wow, I think the last time I used Linux before this install, KDE3 was still current |
| 13:23.55 | thewanderer1 | how do I check what TLS versions are supported in my openssl install on Squeeze? (specifically, I want to know what Lighty supports) |
| 13:24.08 | Iridos | a_l_e, that would overwrite the program... |
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| 13:24.51 | thewanderer1 | crissi: do you have a specific *need* for newer KDE? |
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| 13:25.55 | a_l_e | Iridos: my point was: at the end you see a xterm running, but the Xterm* settings are not taken into account... a bit disturbing... |
| 13:26.37 | Iridos | thewanderer1, hmm, type openssl, then help? |
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| 13:27.40 | Iridos | err |
| 13:27.50 | Iridos | a_l_e, sorry, I meant tdn |
| 13:28.15 | thewanderer1 | Iridos: that would be too easy... it doesn't show supported SSL/TLS versions at all :P |
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| 13:28.31 | DonaldStrachan | hi |
| 13:28.33 | DonaldStrachan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.40 | spal | I have libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins. But Iceweasel still uses gnash. How can I make it use libflashplayer.so? |
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| 13:30.01 | thewanderer1 | spal: remove gnash :P |
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| 13:32.16 | crissi | thewanderer1: yes because 4.7 is needed for normal work |
| 13:32.42 | crissi | older kde4 versions are not useable |
| 13:32.43 | spal | thewanderer1, yes, that solved it. thanks. |
| 13:33.03 | thewanderer1 | strange, I heard the same about 4.5... |
| 13:33.32 | thewanderer1 | anyway, there are no official packages for KDE4.7 in Debian - if you really need them, you have to compile them from sources |
| 13:33.33 | crissi | every kde4 release is better than the release before |
| 13:34.08 | jelly | crissi: yeah, 4.0 was pretty much rock bottom! |
| 13:34.38 | crissi | until kde4 has reached the stability and less bug same as kde 3.5.10 every kde4 release should be available |
| 13:34.43 | Amarande | I can't remember the last time I even tried KDE |
| 13:34.46 | babilen | but better than 3.5 |
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| 13:34.52 | crissi | jelly: rotfl |
| 13:35.04 | crissi | 4.0 was alpha state |
| 13:35.09 | crissi | brrr |
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| 13:35.21 | crissi | 4.5 was the first useable version |
| 13:35.29 | crissi | beta quality |
| 13:35.43 | crissi | 4.7 is the real 4.0 |
| 13:35.50 | spal | I submitted a bug manually via email. How long before it gets a bug ID? |
| 13:35.53 | jhutchins_lt | !tell crissi about trinity |
| 13:36.06 | crissi | i know |
| 13:36.24 | crissi | i use lenny with 3.5 here on my workstation |
| 13:36.55 | crissi | but on other machines there is squeeze and there is current kde4 required |
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| 13:40.55 | rrrreimer | where do I see which packages are binary packages? |
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| 13:41.09 | rrrreimer | here: http://packages.debian.org/unstable |
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| 13:41.26 | wols | !wayttd rrrreimer |
| 13:41.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rrrreimer? |
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| 13:41.56 | rrrreimer | wols, I just want to see how other packages look like |
| 13:42.07 | wols | "look like"? |
| 13:42.10 | rrrreimer | the link is not correct |
| 13:42.27 | rrrreimer | yeah, what they contain and especially if most packages are to be compiled |
| 13:42.53 | wols | debian is a binary distro. you don't compile anything |
| 13:42.55 | nameless` | rrrreimer: on each packet you have the list of files |
| 13:43.45 | nameless` | rrrreimer: for instance http://packages.debian.org/sid/munin at the end click on "liste des fichiers" or "file list" http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/munin/filelist |
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| 13:48.21 | nkuttler | ~w |
| 13:48.22 | apt | somebody said w was http://new.linuxnow.com/docs/content/XWindow-User-HOWTO-html/XWindow-User-HOWTO-2.html |
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| 14:00.36 | arnoldB | Hi, I got an error installing screen(1) on a squeeze system ( Oracle Virtualbox-VM). APT-Log: http://www.np.arbe.me/index.php?1338 I've removed the .deb, apt-get update'd and tried to reinstall the package, but the same error appeared. Any ideas how to solve this? I've installed screen(1) on another system successfully. |
| 14:02.13 | colo-work | well a segfault hints at defective hardware most of the time. |
| 14:02.28 | colo-work | (or a programming error, but I think we can rule that out in this case) |
| 14:02.45 | colo-work | can you reproduce the problem by trying to install screen again |
| 14:02.48 | colo-work | ? |
| 14:03.20 | arnoldB | colo-work: sure, I mentioned that above :) |
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| 14:04.47 | jelly | arnoldB: are you using a nonstandard kernel? Pastebin your /var/log/kern.log, at least the last 200-ish lines |
| 14:05.05 | colo-work | arnoldB, sorry, I'm a bit tired today it seems ;) |
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| 14:07.16 | arnoldB | jelly: http://www.np.arbe.me/index.php?1339 uname -r => 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:07.27 | Accelerator | Anyone here have experience with VSFTPD? Any idea why it might be so horridly slow and unstable with sFTP? (Regular FTP is fine.) |
| 14:07.57 | arnoldB | Installed via debian netinstaller (minimal system / without gui) |
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| 14:10.36 | dokma | could I use an USB bluetooth on Debian to voice control Amarok ?? |
| 14:11.50 | arnoldB | I've solved my problem. apt-get install -f && apt-get install screen |
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| 14:14.34 | colo-work | dokma, USB bluetooth adapters generall work fine on GNU/Linux systems |
| 14:14.43 | colo-work | I don't know what's required to voice-control amarok |
| 14:14.52 | colo-work | but from a hardware and drivers perspective, you should be fine |
| 14:15.21 | dokma | colo-work: the only step needed between an usb bluetooth mic and amarok is a voice recognition system |
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| 14:15.49 | dokma | so I want to patch these together and train the voice recog to my voice to control amarok during salsa lessons |
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| 14:16.43 | colo-work | hehe, sweet idea for sure |
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| 14:17.16 | colo-work | I don't know if there's free voice recognition software available. if you want to synth voice, there's espeak - maybe there's something in the project's wake. |
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| 14:19.33 | twobitsprite | Hey #d... I have a lif that keeps going down for no known reason... I have a second IP on eth0:1 which over night or a few days just goes away... if I ifup it it comes back, but there's nothing in the logs |
| 14:19.40 | twobitsprite | this is squeeze |
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| 14:20.04 | babilen | colo-work, dokma: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/wiki/ is good |
| 14:20.05 | jelly | a lif? |
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| 14:20.20 | dokma | babilen: thank you! |
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| 14:20.58 | twobitsprite | jelly: isn't that what you call the eth0:1 things? logical interface? |
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| 14:21.11 | p0g0 | colo-work: *+IVR (and iirc, not debian, IBM released it's dictate software as freeware) |
| 14:21.52 | jelly | twobitsprite: "interface alias" or "secondary ip address" |
| 14:22.11 | twobitsprite | jelly: I'm sure I've heard of them being called lif's before |
| 14:22.27 | jelly | lif of Brian |
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| 14:22.42 | twobitsprite | hehe |
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| 14:22.56 | twobitsprite | anyways, any idea how I might try to figure out what's going on with it? |
| 14:23.18 | twobitsprite | grepped the logs for "eth0:1" "interface" etc |
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| 14:24.18 | jelly | twobitsprite: any dhcp clients or notwork-manager or wicd or other dynamic network thingy installed? |
| 14:24.45 | twobitsprite | eth0 is dhcp, but I have eth0:1 as static in the interfaces file |
| 14:24.57 | twobitsprite | unless when eth0 renews it's lease it kills the eth0:1? |
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| 14:26.36 | twobitsprite | I suppose I could give eth0 a static IP too and see if the problem recurs. |
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| 14:27.58 | jelly | twobitsprite: I think dhcp client doesn't care and shuts down all routes and addresses |
| 14:28.16 | infernix | twobitsprite: why even bother with dhcp if you're setting up a static ip on 0:1 anyway |
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| 14:29.00 | twobitsprite | infernix: well... I assign static leases via dhcp for most of my servers... but I can't figure out how to get dhcp to hand out a second IP |
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| 14:34.13 | rrrreimer | who of you uses javahelper? |
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| 14:40.35 | Bushmills | do you? |
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| 14:41.56 | rrrreimer | not really, I figured out that it's not the right thing |
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| 14:42.42 | rrrreimer | my application is java-based but I already provide a wrapper, not everything is java, one part is bash and I only need to symlink the main bash script |
| 14:44.37 | twobitsprite | rrrreimer: you'll get a better response if you just ask your real question |
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| 14:49.09 | thewanderer1 | how do I get a new, non-vulnerable Adobe Flash on Debian? |
| 14:49.48 | thewanderer1 | should I download it manually? any signs of a Squeeze update incoming? |
| 14:50.26 | thewanderer1 | in particular, I wouldn't want to get pwned by an XSS attack which it facilitates |
| 14:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: What happens when you run the script? |
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| 14:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I would expect that it would be updated if necessary within a day or so, the maintainer is VERY responsive. |
| 14:51.50 | thewanderer1 | oh, you mean the one from the package? let's se |
| 14:51.51 | thewanderer1 | e |
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| 14:53.36 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: uh, 2011-06-09 version, this can't possibly be good |
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| 14:54.07 | thewanderer1 | no DSA either |
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| 14:54.34 | jhutchins_lt | Mine's doing 09 22 on wheezy. |
| 14:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | Er, no, on squeeze. |
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| 14:55.10 | jhutchins_lt | Or... no, that's the current timestamp I guess. |
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| 14:56.05 | thewanderer1 | noooo bloody hells, Adobe's website assures me everything is fine and that Chrome will surely download it on its own |
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| 14:56.40 | thewanderer1 | why does it have to presuppose that Chrome even has the privileges to update anything? :/ |
| 14:57.22 | petemc | probably because for the majority of people it does |
| 14:58.01 | jhutchins_lt | We live in a Microsoft world. |
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| 14:59.06 | bjoernb | hi |
| 14:59.14 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like we're currently using flashplugin-nonfree_10.1.82.76.1.tar.gz 13-Aug-2010 |
| 14:59.29 | jhutchins_lt | Does the vulnerability apply to 10, or just to 11 (just released). |
| 14:59.37 | bjoernb | how do i change python to version 2.7? i have installed python 2.6 and 2.7. |
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| 15:00.10 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: many other vulns. apply to 10.x |
| 15:00.12 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: Critical vulnerabilities have been identified in Adobe Flash Player 10.3.183.7 and earlier versions for Windows, Macintosh, Linux and Solaris, and Adobe Flash Player 10.3.186.6 and earlier versions for Android |
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| 15:00.35 | thewanderer1 | of course the main download site only ships 32-bit binaries :/ |
| 15:00.53 | MaXim_ | check the beta page for flash 11 |
| 15:01.04 | MaXim_ | (amd64) |
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| 15:02.35 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but I don't know if the vulns are fixed in it |
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| 15:03.20 | MaXim_ | lol |
| 15:03.37 | MaXim_ | you're on a wild goose chase if you expect to be using a secure adobe flash |
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| 15:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:04.12 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 15:04.35 | thewanderer1 | getting rid of this rubbish right now... any clue how to run YouTube videos without it? |
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| 15:06.13 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You need the Adobe player to play current flash video. That's all there is to it. |
| 15:06.19 | tvm | thewanderer1: gnash |
| 15:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | gnash is a joke. |
| 15:06.38 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I mean, there was some HTML5 mode or something... |
| 15:06.58 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Might work for chrome, but not all videos are available. |
| 15:07.11 | MaXim_ | YT has html5 opt-in program |
| 15:07.19 | MaXim_ | but it is only enabled on certain vids |
| 15:07.46 | thewanderer1 | holy shit. Google just tracked my sister's Web searches and is now displaying content on YouTube based on IP address only. no cookies, no nothing. this is hell... |
| 15:08.19 | petern__ | welcome to google |
| 15:08.32 | MaXim_ | wise words of scott mcnealy: you have no privacy. get over it |
| 15:08.35 | tvm | jhutchins_lt: it is apparently able to play the youtube videos, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/gnash-088-claims-to-support-all-youtube.html |
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| 15:09.06 | MaXim_ | last time i tried gnash (not too long ago) it was nastily broken for flash video |
| 15:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | tvm: it does play some. |
| 15:09.07 | petern__ | youtube changes things which can break it again |
| 15:09.34 | MaXim_ | i don't know why they don't just go ahead with the html5 video |
| 15:09.52 | MaXim_ | ive been using the YT mobile site with streaming h264 on my iphone for almost 2 years now |
| 15:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | MaXim_: Because people already own the software to create flash, and it's what they know. |
| 15:10.31 | thewanderer1 | MaXim_: MPEG LA + H264 == patent hell |
| 15:11.16 | nitzs | If I install packages from backports and wanted to revert back to the stable packages, how can I do it? |
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| 15:11.37 | MaXim_ | it was just an example |
| 15:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | nitzs: Restore your backup. |
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| 15:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | !partial downgrade |
| 15:12.18 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
| 15:12.33 | MaXim_ | the html5 vids on YT are ogg theora for the most part |
| 15:12.59 | MaXim_ | h.264 is unsupported on google chrome and firefox |
| 15:13.18 | Amarande | on a related point, if you install packages from backports, do you have to burn a netinst disc and do a full reinstall from scratch when wheezy comes out? |
| 15:13.30 | jhutchins_lt | nitzs: There's probably a way to search for the bpo package, but it should only have installed packages you specified + dependencies, so if you purge that package with aptitude it should also purge the dependencies; then you just reinstall. |
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| 15:14.19 | Amarande | (and most squeeze users are going to have at least a few backports by the time wheezy comes out ... particularly, I imagine, for iceweasel, because Firefox 3 is getting too long in the tooth for general use now, e.g. G+ doesn't work with it) |
| 15:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | Amarande: There's no guarantee, but they try to keep the version numbers such that you can do a normal upgrade. |
| 15:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | Amarande: Not sure how it works for mdn. |
| 15:15.07 | nitzs | jhutchins_lt: okay |
| 15:15.16 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, how does Google Plus not work with Firefox 3? O.o |
| 15:15.22 | thewanderer1 | are they using some black magic? |
| 15:15.27 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Try it. |
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| 15:15.58 | ajikeshi_ | thewanderer1, kinda.. yes :D |
| 15:16.13 | ajikeshi_ | they use some html5 or ajax |
| 15:16.28 | thewanderer1 | ah, yes. because XHTML is not enough... |
| 15:16.57 | thewanderer1 | ok, well, everything I need seems to be working without Flash, seems like I can get rid of it for good |
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| 15:18.02 | Amarande | thewanderer1, it seems related to the Gecko being too old, based on a little bit of googling I did about it |
| 15:18.15 | Amarande | after that, I decided to just upgrade to Aurora from backports |
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| 15:19.57 | thewanderer1 | ok, as long as it's fine with Chromium I guess I'll pass |
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| 15:31.05 | arnoldB | hm is there a programm or a special parameter for date(1) to only get the current time zone of the system? |
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| 15:32.10 | SPF | arnoldB: date '+%z' |
| 15:32.33 | arnoldB | alright, fount it too. thank you |
| 15:32.37 | arnoldB | *d |
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| 15:36.56 | MoshutZu | Hello ppl! :) I am trying to install things on my new Debian 6, but I am still getting an error... -> -bash: ./process: cannot execute binary file |
| 15:37.12 | wols | MoshutZu: more context |
| 15:37.14 | MoshutZu | I am using a Power PC, it's a Mac G4 |
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| 15:38.06 | wols | useful context preferred |
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| 15:38.22 | MoshutZu | I am new to Linux :) I tryed to install a irc bot, it doesn't work, now I am trying to install a Counter Strike server |
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| 15:38.48 | wols | ldd <binary you want to run" and check if all libs it wants are present |
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| 15:40.24 | MoshutZu | http://pastebin.com/zTBvvCF3 - some more text :) |
| 15:40.50 | somiaj | it sounds like he is trying to install an i386 binary (cs server/random irc bot) on a ppc -- of course the binary will not execute |
| 15:40.59 | somiaj | MoshutZu: you have to make sure the binaries you get are for a powerPC |
| 15:41.11 | neoice | something is trying to 'modprobe' on one of my systems and throwing fatal errors. how can I determine what process is trying to load what module? |
| 15:41.17 | MoshutZu | I understand... I think they are not :( |
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| 15:42.12 | harovali | hi, I hava a dependency nightmare, while installing stable. "perl-base5.10.1.17squeeze1 is installed, but perl-base5.10.1.17squeeze2 is to be installed and perl depends on perl-base5.10.1.17squeeze1". Nothing seems to workaroud the problem. Any hint ? |
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| 15:42.45 | somiaj | harovali: sounds like you are missing your security sources |
| 15:42.56 | somiaj | harovali: check /etc/apt/sources.list (do you have a security.debian.org source) |
| 15:43.07 | MoshutZu | Thanks somiaj ;) I will try to find something for ppc |
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| 15:58.42 | DammitJim | do you guys know what a <96> means in a text file? |
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| 15:59.48 | wols | ascii char 96 most probably |
| 16:05.23 | DammitJim | oh |
| 16:05.34 | DammitJim | wols, do you know how I can find that in sed or vi? |
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| 16:07.15 | Amarande | octal code search, probably. try looking for \140. |
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| 16:09.23 | rhenani | hello guys good morning for everybody |
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| 16:10.41 | rhenani | I want to move a directory that i have in my Desktop to a external Harddisk i plugged to my computer, I have debian squeeze 6.0.2, it is on my Desktop too, but trying to use "mv" comand i can't find where the harddisk is placed |
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| 16:10.55 | rhenani | or located |
| 16:11.05 | valdyn | rhenani: /media/something |
| 16:11.31 | rhenani | valdyn: Thank you |
| 16:11.37 | somiaj | rhenani: there is no reason it has to be automounted. type 'dmesg' and see what device the drive was assigned to, and then type df (to see where it mounted the drive) |
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| 16:11.57 | valdyn | somiaj: except its automounted since its visible on the desktop |
| 16:12.18 | somiaj | ahh missed that...:/ |
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| 16:13.22 | rhenani | somiaj: valdyn is right |
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| 16:14.42 | somiaj | rhenani: yea that is the default place, I just gave you two commands you could have looked. 'df -h', or 'mount' will list the mounts and where thigns are located. 'dmesg' will tell you what the kernel detected the drive as. |
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| 16:15.09 | rhenani | somiaj: thank you very much =) |
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| 16:31.51 | me-1 | hi....I am a new user . I cant boot into Debian I get this error..http://picpaste.com/Image0022-UGtCS6gB.jpg...I need some urgent help please |
| 16:33.28 | somiaj | me-1: I see I/O errors with your hd, sounds like it could be bad |
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| 16:34.14 | Amarande | IDE or SATA hard drive? |
| 16:34.36 | me-1 | somiaj, any solution..? I can use an ubntu live cd if i am asked to |
| 16:34.52 | me-1 | Amarande, IDE |
| 16:34.56 | Amarande | if it's IDE, make sure you've hooked it up right and the jumpers are set correctly. (Seriously. I've been building my own boxes and those for the family for about 15 years now, and yet last year once I had to take a machine to the repair shop because I couldn't get OS's to install right on it, and it turned out that somehow I had missed a jumper. It happens to the best of us.) |
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| 16:36.00 | somiaj | me-1: I would check the hd first, there are some free boot discs you can get a hold of to see if its actually bad (after you double check as Amarande said its not a jumper cable issue) |
| 16:36.09 | Amarande | interestingly, the particular jumpering mistake caused OS's to *install* correctly, but they wouldn't boot afterwards |
| 16:36.11 | somiaj | it could just be a bad ide cable, those 80 wire cables can sometimes go bad. |
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| 16:36.39 | derric | When I try to set the time server in KDE, I get an 'unable to contact time server' err. Is there a protocol that need to be configured for this? |
| 16:36.49 | me-1 | Amarande, i suspect you are right . I swaped HD . cable is fine I think |
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| 16:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | derric: What release? |
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| 16:37.50 | derric | jhutchins_lt: It's the latest for Squeeze, I think version 4. |
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| 16:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. I have mine set in /etc/ntp.conf, and the CP applet doesn't seem to know about it. |
| 16:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | derric: Not sure what method kde is using. |
| 16:40.33 | jhutchins_lt | derric: What timeserver are you using? |
| 16:40.49 | Mkman | when i do dhcpcd wlan0 i get dhcpcd.sh : interfsce wlan0 has been configured with new IP=SOME IP. i dont get any wireless connection. what seems to be the problem? |
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| 16:41.41 | me-1 | Does VLC use proprietry codecs..? |
| 16:41.46 | jhutchins_lt | Mkman: You have to establish the wireless link before the DHCP client will work. |
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| 16:43.21 | Mkman | jhutchins_lt: how can i do that? i have the wpa_supplicant already configured |
| 16:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Mkman about wifi |
| 16:43.52 | mooperd | I ran HPL on an AMD magnycours processor and got a score of ~9GF per core. Exactly the same software stack on the new AMD interlago-bulldozer ran at 5GF. |
| 16:43.58 | mooperd | any ideas why this might be |
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| 16:44.00 | derric | jhutchins_lt: nist1-atl-ustiming.org |
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| 16:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Mkman about network-manager |
| 16:44.41 | mooperd | I was using a nearly cutting edge kernel, an older compiler and core math library. |
| 16:44.56 | Mkman | jhutchins_lt: i that computer i dont have connection |
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| 16:45.33 | derric | jhutchins_lt: Well I suppose I could ask on the KDE channel... |
| 16:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | derric: That host doesn't resolve. |
| 16:45.52 | derric | jhutchins_lt: If it's a KDE thing. |
| 16:46.06 | jhutchins_lt | derric: You could, or debian-kde on oftc. |
| 16:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
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| 16:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, oftc. |
| 16:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | derric: try pool.ntp.org or 1.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 16:47.30 | derric | jhutchins_lt: How about: jhutchins_lt: How about: 64.250.177.145 |
| 16:47.46 | joe6 | just installed the virtualbox package. but, I cannot figure out how to start it. everything in the docs, the system cannot find. VirtualBox, virtualbox, VBox.sh |
| 16:48.09 | joe6 | uri: uri: http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
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| 16:48.19 | joe6 | got it, thanks. |
| 16:48.58 | Amarande | also, never, ever use two NTP servers. always use one, or at least three. :) |
| 16:49.22 | Amarande | (this applies to clocks in general, really.) |
| 16:49.46 | jhutchins_lt | derric: That looks like a valid server. |
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| 16:50.31 | derric | jhutchins_lt: I put the ip number in and I got a different err, someting about the dbus backend being broken. |
| 16:50.55 | Bushmills | seems that that server has no peers. |
| 16:51.18 | derric | jhutchins_lt: Unable to athenticate... dbus backend seems to be broken... |
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| 16:51.23 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Right, direct reference, level 1. |
| 16:51.50 | Bushmills | doesn't make it a very reliable server, in terms of accuracy |
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| 16:51.55 | jhutchins_lt | Or stratus 0 |
| 16:52.39 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: If it syncs to ACTS it should be accurate enough. |
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| 16:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: peering would be less accurate. |
| 16:53.57 | rhenani | exit |
| 16:54.02 | rhenani | bye bye everybody |
| 16:56.28 | Bushmills | seems it is accurate. within 1 ms of other references |
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| 16:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | derchris: I'd start with debian-kde then, though they're not terribly responsive sometimes. |
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| 17:09.03 | magnus_ | hi. im trying to install mysql-server on an old machine with only 128 MB of ram. i know this works if i build it from source, because i can then use a less resource hungry config. however, i'd like to use debian packages to make it easier to maintain. when i do apt-get install mysql-server, the installation fails during the "setting up mysql-server"-phase because it cannot allocate enough memory. the default mysql config seem to assume i h |
| 17:09.04 | magnus_ | ave more than 128 mb of memory |
| 17:09.50 | somiaj | magnus_: you could compile a custom mysql-server package and then install that. |
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| 17:10.42 | magnus_ | will that also mean i have to rebuild new packages whenever i need to upgrade? or can i fallback on standard packages and just pick "keep local config"? |
| 17:10.48 | wuffi600 | I would like to know "What Packages contain a file/directory that's name contains substing foo?" How can i do such search on a debian system's commandline without browsing packages.debian.org? |
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| 17:12.08 | Bushmills | wuffi600: apt-file |
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| 17:13.02 | wuffi600 | Bushmills: thanx exactly what i have been looking for. |
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| 17:13.40 | Bushmills | 576 packages do, btw |
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| 17:15.44 | derric | jhutchins_lt: I got it. I just had to install NTP. |
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| 17:19.06 | burg | hello. i have these settings in sites-enabled, yet when i go to marius.viponly.ro it shows the contents from viponly.ro (other folder) |
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| 17:21.42 | somiaj | burg: sounds like an apache issue, but do you have the viponly.ro domain listed before the marius.viponly.ro domain in which case the eariler one is set up to take any subdomain and redirect it) |
| 17:21.58 | somiaj | burg: but you may get better help in #apache for configuring the virtuial domains right |
| 17:22.24 | burg | somiaj, i asked there first, they said i should ask here |
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| 17:24.21 | somiaj | burg: well give us an ls of the sites-enabled dir along with the contents of the releveant config files. I'm still thinking its just the order they are listed along with the master viponly.ro just being a catch all. |
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| 17:25.52 | nkuttler | i don't think #apache supports debian.. fhs etc |
| 17:26.15 | nkuttler | or #httpd rather |
| 17:26.30 | burg | somiaj, ls, like the list of files in there? |
| 17:26.46 | somiaj | burg: correct, I just wanted to see the ordering. |
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| 17:27.26 | burg | 000-default webmin.1316711484.conf . where first is for viponly.ro , the second is for the subdomain |
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| 17:28.02 | somiaj | burg: you should use numbering system to control the order, like 000-default 001-webmin.foo 002-viponly.ro |
| 17:28.07 | alazare619 | im having an issue with debian when trying to hibernate it is saying mat0019 wich is a driver any ideas where to look |
| 17:28.15 | somiaj | burg: try to do that but make the viponly.ro have an eariler number. |
| 17:28.49 | somiaj | burg: arg I mean make the subdomain appear first in the list |
| 17:29.19 | tdn | Why is ntop not available in debian repos? It is gplv3? I think it used to be availble iirc. |
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| 17:29.44 | somiaj | tdn: ntop - display network usage in web browser (its in sid) |
| 17:29.50 | somiaj | tdn: packages.debian.org/ntop |
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| 17:30.33 | themill | tdn: also in squeeze-backports |
| 17:31.06 | tdn | somiaj, ok |
| 17:31.17 | tdn | Thanks for info |
| 17:32.18 | somiaj | yea not sure why it isn't in squeeze, guess there was some conflict |
| 17:32.43 | burg | somiaj, those files are automatically created by webmin |
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| 17:34.12 | somiaj | burg: I don't know about webmin, i just know that they are supose to be links to the configs in sites-available. and they are parsed in order. I bet you changing the order will be the easiest fix |
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| 17:38.03 | burg | so viponly.ro should have larger number? |
| 17:39.06 | somiaj | its alphanumeric order, so 003 comes before 004 |
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| 17:47.59 | alazare619 | somewhat releated to debian but i need a name for a linux distribution...im having a writers block |
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| 17:48.19 | JoshH | doobiean |
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| 17:49.08 | alazare619 | gnubeian? |
| 17:49.22 | alazare619 | bian* |
| 17:49.26 | alazare619 | gnubian? |
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| 17:50.13 | Bushmills | debian it's called what people use here |
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| 17:50.31 | Bushmills | close but no cigar |
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| 17:51.50 | alazare619 | just trying to get an idea of what to name this distro ive been working on .. |
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| 17:52.14 | squid | hello all! |
| 17:52.28 | ansgar | alazare619: YetAnotherRandomLinuxDistributionBasedOnDebian. |
| 17:52.42 | alazare619 | i LOVE IT! |
| 17:53.13 | alazare619 | after this im taking what is in parted magic, and system rescue cd and adding a few more tools into 1 live iso |
| 17:53.35 | alazare619 | Yarldbd |
| 17:54.09 | alazare619 | Yaldbod |
| 17:54.29 | alazare619 | yet another linux distribution based on debian |
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| 17:55.47 | Bushmills | you could also /nick YetAnotherUserSpammingTheChannel |
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| 17:56.17 | Bushmills | Yaustc, fyi |
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| 18:05.20 | bxxp | Hi, somebody know the protocol beep ? |
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| 18:05.51 | simonlnu | yeh, ^G ;p |
| 18:06.33 | jicko3 | how is Openbox intended to be closed? When I right-click the background and click on 'exit' it tells me stuff about critical error and the like on the terminal on which I have called it via 'startx' |
| 18:07.29 | simonlnu | exit session, yes |
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| 18:07.41 | bxxp | [simonlnu] Could you explain a bit, I find that the information does not help me? |
| 18:08.12 | simonlnu | was meant to be funny, not so much helpful |
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| 18:17.18 | jicko3 | simonlnu: so it is just normal that openbox gives extensive critical error messages when it is closed? |
| 18:18.06 | simonlnu | no. it should exit normally. |
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| 18:26.36 | jicko3 | simonlnu: do you use openbox? |
| 18:26.56 | simonlnu | i have in the past. not in the last few months. |
| 18:27.34 | jicko3 | simonlinux: did you get any messages when you exited it? |
| 18:27.57 | jicko3 | I mean simonlnu ;) |
| 18:28.57 | simonlnu | not like you said, no |
| 18:29.34 | jicko3 | simonlnu, thanks |
| 18:30.12 | simonlnu | my first thoughts were a) not enough info b) checked the bts? |
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| 18:31.11 | jicko3 | simonlnu: I have been using openbox for years over different installations on different machines and archs and it was always the same. But checking the bts seems a good idea |
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| 18:32.14 | simonlnu | *nods* |
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| 18:34.03 | nitzs | does anyone know how to seek in mpg123? |
| 18:34.20 | jicko3 | nitzs: I guess so |
| 18:34.38 | nitzs | please enlighten me |
| 18:34.39 | jicko3 | nitzs: at least the devs should |
| 18:35.00 | Bushmills | statistically, most likely. someone does |
| 18:35.05 | jicko3 | ^^ |
| 18:35.10 | simonlnu | i've used the arrow keys, but i used some CL options to enable them |
| 18:35.31 | nitzs | what were the options? |
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| 18:35.44 | simonlnu | use the --help |
| 18:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | derric: Interesting, because afik if you install ntp, it sets up ntpd as a daemon and uses the /etc/ntp.conf file, which my configuration applet ignores. |
| 18:36.35 | jhutchins_lt | derric: Which is not to say if I set somethign with the applet it wouldn't overwrite the ntp.conf file... |
| 18:36.37 | daela | my console is showing â instead of some other symbol. I had this issue before but can't remember the issue. locale maybe? charmap? can anyone point me in the right direction? just ssh'd into machine, not in X. |
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| 18:38.42 | Xano | I have two symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled to vhost files. THey are named "000-default" and "foo". However, apache2ctl still tells me they're both default vhosts |
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| 18:42.15 | magnus_ | anyone know where would i go if i have questions about DNS and domains? |
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| 18:43.22 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: What sort of question? |
| 18:43.49 | CapnRazor | Hi All can anyone help me with an xrdp question on Debian Squeeze? (XRDP is working, root can connect but not my user account) |
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| 18:45.09 | magnus_ | jhutchins_lt, well, im a bit confused. i have a domain, which i've registered at some point. i still pay to that company. since then, i have moved the domain to another site where i manage it. if i want to move it again, who do i contact? i mean, the guys im paying still have absolute power, right? still, when i look at the DNS records the SOA record, which seems to be "the guy in charge" points to my DNS management company, not the origi |
| 18:45.10 | magnus_ | nal place where i registered.. |
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| 18:46.39 | CapnRazor | magnus_: I would expect it to be the firm you are sending the check to |
| 18:47.16 | magnus_ | thats what i thought, but the dns management site also overs a "transfer" option, where i can pay them to transfer out the domain someplace else |
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| 18:47.45 | CapnRazor | if you want to provide the domain name I can look at the whois, maybe I can spot something |
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| 18:48.06 | magnus_ | it's duskwood.com |
| 18:48.23 | CapnRazor | sec |
| 18:48.37 | magnus_ | i originally registered it at oriweb.com, which seems to use enom.com for registrar. the dns hosting company im with now is dnspark.net |
| 18:49.03 | magnus_ | what i really like to know what decides who can move the domain.. |
| 18:49.13 | ne0h|track | hey folks, does anyone know some good howto about running userspace-layer7 filter on debian squeeze? I used the kernelspace version a lot in lenny with kernel 2.6.28.. but now seems that the only option is the userspace version.. |
| 18:49.23 | magnus_ | because right now two organizations is claiming they can, which i find a bit odd... |
| 18:50.45 | CapnRazor | magnus_: Yeah from the nameservers it looks like dnspark has the domain, |
| 18:51.11 | CapnRazor | are you trying to make a change to a different IP? |
| 18:53.10 | magnus_ | no, im trying to move to another provider of ns servers, so basically get rid of dnspark altogether |
| 18:53.25 | magnus_ | so if dnspark has the domain, why do i still pay to enom/oriweb? |
| 18:53.37 | magnus_ | (dnspark is not charging anything) |
| 18:53.42 | CapnRazor | magnus_: nope Im wrong the DNS looks to be hosted by dnspark the domain registrar is enom still |
| 18:53.52 | magnus_ | how can you tell? |
| 18:54.37 | CapnRazor | I used the network solutions whois tool, google whois. |
| 18:55.21 | CapnRazor | then search your domain, if you scroll to the ibottom of the results there is a link for underlying info |
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| 18:57.15 | CapnRazor | anyone: still looking for help with xrdp question. |
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| 18:57.25 | magnus_ | ok, i see.. thanks CapnRazor |
| 18:57.37 | CapnRazor | cheers |
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| 18:59.20 | pikapika- | is it possible to install to and boot from a virtual hd(natively not a vm)? kind of like windows 7 support for native .vhd booting, i don't care what format of virtual drive |
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| 18:59.54 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: Sorry, wandered off, let me catch up here. |
| 19:00.00 | Cain | how to find if a text file is in utf-8 or iso9... ? |
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| 19:00.51 | CapnRazor | jhutchins_lt: I think I got him sorted |
| 19:00.52 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: Whoever you register the domain with sets the master DNS for it. Most places these days will offer to let you set up your own zone control file on their DNS servers, which you can then point at any IP you want. |
| 19:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: You can also hire a third party, like dyndns.org, and have them run the DNS for you. |
| 19:01.45 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: Most of my sites use the registrar's DNS, but I have a few where the client has the DNS at a third party. |
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| 19:02.31 | magnus_ | yeah, i have multiple domains with multiple registrars.. i'd like to manage all at one location, so im hoping i can somehow transfer zone-control to a common 3rdparty for all my domains |
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| 19:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: That's the way they all used to be done, so chances are good. |
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| 19:03.30 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: I'm migrating from Namesecure to GoDaddy - I think Namesecure had a big price hike. |
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| 19:04.10 | The_Schmidt | Cain: I think u want to use the 'file' command on it |
| 19:05.34 | Cain | The_Schmidt : yep, thx |
| 19:05.43 | The_Schmidt | cool, yw |
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| 19:06.43 | E3D3 | I'm have troubles installing Debian as 2nd OS in LVM on an USB-harddisc. I got boot-error 'no such device'. It can't find the volume-group but Grub can ?! Who can help me it ? |
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| 19:09.18 | magnus_ | E3D3, perhaps debian has not detect the USB drive at the point in execution where it needs to mount it? some usb discs take longer to probe |
| 19:09.36 | jhutchins_lt | !nl |
| 19:09.48 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 19:09.50 | pikapika- | is it possible to install to and boot from a virtual disk(natively not a VM)? I know windows 7 added support for their bootloader to boot .VHDs natively is there some way to do that with linux? i don't care what format of virtual disk it is |
| 19:10.14 | E3D3 | dpkg: :) Bedankt |
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| 19:10.18 | dpkg | E3D3: i haven't a clue |
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| 19:10.53 | joltcan | pikapika-: I dont really understand, you want to boot your system from a virtual disk, like an iso or something? |
| 19:10.54 | E3D3 | dpkg: Sorry, it was for someone else. |
| 19:10.54 | dpkg | E3D3: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:10.57 | ujjain | How can I do a verbose shudown and see what it does when shutting down? GUI desktop |
| 19:11.01 | wols | pikapika-: yes. see wubi |
| 19:11.10 | wols | pikapika-: but not with debian |
| 19:11.12 | E3D3 | jhutchins_lt: Thanks |
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| 19:11.23 | magnus_ | jhutchins_lt, is it possible to change registrar? i mean, completely move my domain to some other company, changing whom i send my checks to? |
| 19:11.25 | pikapika- | joltcan yea that would be fine as long as its persistent |
| 19:12.05 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: Yes. Usually you need to "unlock" the domain, then request a confirmation code, then start the process at the new registrar, which will then ask for the code. |
| 19:12.09 | wols | pikapika-: why would you want that? |
| 19:12.13 | Dulak | magnus_: if your current registrar allows transfers you can take your domain to any other registrar that supports transfers |
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| 19:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: With Namesecure you do everything, then it just sits for about five days until it fails over to the new registrar. Other places allow you to confirm the transfer right away and it's faster. |
| 19:12.52 | E3D3 | magnus_: Thanks. Will it help when I wait a little when I see the boot-options so the USB can be recognized ? |
| 19:13.00 | joltcan | pikapika-: definitely supported by grub, but unfortunately I can't point you to any resources |
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| 19:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: Most places are a lot smoother and easier than they were say five years ago. It's all automated, no humans involved. |
| 19:13.43 | magnus_ | E3D3, maybe.. usually i think you should use a initrd loaded from elsewhere, put a small system which tries to mount the usb disk (wait for it) and then chroot into that |
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| 19:14.01 | magnus_ | so it's not mandatory for a registrar to allow transfers? why would a registrar allow it? they lose customers :) |
| 19:14.50 | E3D3 | magnus_: Thanks |
| 19:14.53 | joltcan | pikapika-: if you install memtest it usually creates an image that you can boot from, so maybe you want to have a look at that. The initrd image can contain any module that is used to read pretty much any filsystem, so that could potentially also be used |
| 19:15.41 | Dulak | magnus_: because it's a feature customers demand in a registrar. The same reason car manufacturer's include cup holders. They have nothing to do with the function of the car, but since the first one was put in a car, all cars need them to compete. |
| 19:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: It's in their interest to cooperate so that other registrars will cooperate when the transfer is to them. |
| 19:17.11 | magnus_ | cool, thanks all for your answers. i think i have all the answers now |
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| 19:18.01 | jhutchins_lt | magnus_: The registrar you are transferring TO is probably going to be the most helpful. |
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| 19:19.09 | pikapika- | wols its easier to backup/restore if its just a single file instead of a full on partitioned HD |
| 19:19.45 | wols | pikapika-: wrong. a partition is a file btw. and if a linux installation is in such a file, it's much much more prone to break. it's a LOT slower as well |
| 19:20.50 | wols | pikapika-: in linux, /dev/sda1 is a file like any other and you can copy and backup it and whatever else you want, just as you can do that with c:\roodisk.image |
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| 19:22.29 | c0mrade_ | How can implement a 6-stage pipeline? Hardwired logical circuitry/gates or assembly/microcode? |
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| 19:22.36 | Bushmills | pikapika-: how about, booting from a cdrom image stored on disk? |
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| 19:23.31 | wols | c0mrade_: and now you tell us how this is debian related. we are all ears |
| 19:23.48 | Bushmills | you could call a stored cdrom image a virtual disk, afterall |
| 19:23.51 | c0mrade_ | Oh dear. It is related. |
| 19:24.38 | c0mrade_ | I want to create my own customized debian distribution and implement a 6-stage pipeline within the microchip I'll be using on the motherboard. |
| 19:24.43 | yctn | what is a good tool to messure the broadband used by proces? |
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| 19:25.05 | c0mrade_ | :P |
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| 19:25.39 | c0mrade_ | Anyone got an idea? |
| 19:26.18 | wols | c0mrade_: you talk nonsense. please stop |
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| 19:26.48 | c0mrade_ | How come? |
| 19:26.54 | wols | yctn: do you mean how much network traffic a process generates? |
| 19:26.56 | themill | c0mrade_: perhaps ask in ##hardware. I think we're bored now. |
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| 19:27.07 | yctn | wols yeah? |
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| 19:27.12 | pikapika- | wols hmm ill have to look into that |
| 19:27.15 | wols | yctn: iptraf, ntop, etc |
| 19:27.25 | yctn | what do u advice? |
| 19:27.40 | wols | I just gave you advice |
| 19:27.45 | c0mrade_ | What is debian? |
| 19:28.05 | Bushmills | !debian |
| 19:28.05 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 19:28.22 | c0mrade_ | !debian |
| 19:28.22 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 19:32.18 | yctn | wolf isnt there a cli utlity for only per proces traffic? |
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| 19:34.04 | yctn | some like nethogs only they dont support udp packeges |
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| 19:41.03 | jmd | Anyone know of any PTP enabled NICS which work in Debian? |
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| 19:43.04 | nameless` | how can i regenerate the smb.conf ? i deleted it by mistake, i tried to purge then reinstall, to dpkg-reconfigure but still it isn't here |
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| 19:45.31 | Halidith | Hi, my debian system generates a unussual upload traffic its like all proces generate twice its upload output. I cant see which procces generates that much |
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| 19:49.10 | shbk | hello! does anybody know way in which possible to create booting usb pen with: msdos, linux, windows ? I sought, but I 've found only combinations like windows+msdos or windows+linux. but I need all three OS. thanks in advance |
| 19:50.29 | wols | Halidith: iptraf, ntop |
| 19:51.29 | Halidith | i am using debian in tty so ntop isnt an option, will check out optraf ty |
| 19:51.48 | shbk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.56 | jmd | shbk, Don't those two combinations span all three? |
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| 19:52.05 | Uchiha_Itachi | shbk: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
| 19:52.56 | shbk | I need msdos to regret |
| 19:53.00 | E3D3 | shbk: If I remember well thank 'Hiren's BootCD' does it. |
| 19:53.04 | wols | shbk: all you need is a howto for getting each distro on the stick on its own. then install grub and make it boot every one of them |
| 19:53.22 | wols | msdos has no usb support so that will be very hard to impossible |
| 19:53.34 | wols | but how is this all debian support related? |
| 19:53.48 | shbk | I 've done msdos boot usb |
| 19:53.55 | Iridos | yeah... don't see why reading BOTH combinations of windows+msdos or windows+linux. shouldn't be enough... |
| 19:54.14 | shbk | but I don't know how to organize three OS |
| 19:54.30 | Iridos | only thing is you need to understand what the howtows are doing it's not enough to copy stuff |
| 19:54.34 | wols | shbk: we can help you how to install debian. we are not here for supporting the others |
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| 19:55.11 | shbk | well , although you showed me a path, thanks a lot |
| 19:55.57 | wols | if you install each one of them into its own partition and then install grub to the usb stick, os-prober should find them all on its own and add it to your grub menu |
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| 19:57.17 | wuffi600 | after "dist-upgrade" vom lenny to squeeze i get error message "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 5.536652] ACPI: I/O resource nForce2_smbus [0x4e00-0x4e3f] conflicts with ACPI region SM00 [0x4e00-0x4e3f] [ 5.536728] nForce2_smbus 0000:00:03.2: Error probing SMB2. done." What is this about? |
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| 19:58.48 | Halidith | Is there a other program to monitor it? with just ur console as program |
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| 20:00.41 | themill | dpkg: tell nameless` about ucf confmiss |
| 20:01.11 | themill | nameless`: you also have to pick the right package to work on -- samba-common in this case |
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| 20:04.08 | yctn | hello guys.. i'm have an serieus problem |
| 20:04.38 | yctn | my linux box is consuming alot if internet traffic so i'm looking for a tool to monitor the broadband used per proces somebody any advice? |
| 20:04.51 | Uchiha_Itachi | iftop |
| 20:05.25 | yctn | it does not display proces id |
| 20:05.26 | Bushmills | tcpdump. destination port of outgoing packets should give some clue already |
| 20:05.40 | yctn | i dont have to know where the traffic goes to |
| 20:05.44 | yctn | only from which proces it comes |
| 20:06.12 | Bushmills | destiniation *port*, not address |
| 20:06.37 | wuffi600 | yctn: ntop gives grphical overview in webbrowser |
| 20:08.05 | yctn | can i see the proces id there? |
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| 20:09.51 | Woet | yctn: lsof |
| 20:09.58 | Woet | won't show traffic but will show sockets |
| 20:10.03 | Woet | so combine lsof with iftop :) |
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| 20:10.45 | CapnRazor | anyone: still looking for help with xrdp question. |
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| 20:11.43 | CapnRazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.42 | CapnRazor | I expect its an account security setting but I haven't been able to find anything usefull on google |
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| 20:32.13 | TheWarden | Does anyone know of a good disk imaging software to use that will allow imaging to a network drive and also have the ability to breakup the file that will go onto multiple CDs or DVD? I also want to be able to restore individual files within the image if possible. |
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| 20:38.01 | CapnRazor | TheWarden: have you looked at Clonezilla? |
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| 20:50.23 | RhanisRho | anyone know a solution to this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616718 I'm having the same issue. |
| 20:50.44 | RhanisRho | trying to add printer in cups, get forbidden error |
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| 20:52.11 | RhanisRho | Anyone? |
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| 20:53.53 | LemensTS | How do I make the terminal size 80 x 27 when I ssh with putty? |
| 20:54.17 | somiaj | LemensTS: configure putty to the size you want. |
| 20:54.20 | LemensTS | It seems everything I can find talks about the console |
| 20:54.26 | Bushmills | RhanisRho: log in as somebody who is member of the lpadmin group |
| 20:54.49 | somiaj | LemensTS: that is because ssh doesn't set the window size, the application/terminal does. Configure putty to use the size you want...its in one of the submenus |
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| 20:54.55 | RhanisRho | Bushmills: how do I add myself to that group? |
| 20:55.04 | Bushmills | !adduser |
| 20:55.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, adduser is a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 20:55.16 | Bushmills | or user to a group |
| 20:55.19 | somiaj | adduser <usr> <group> |
| 20:55.20 | LemensTS | somiaj: yea thats what I thought, i went through all the settings in putty but didnt see it. Ill look again i guess |
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| 20:57.13 | CapnRazor | where do I allow a user to connect via xrdp new install I can connect as root but not my user account |
| 20:57.28 | RhanisRho | Bushmills: how do I remove that user from the group now? |
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| 20:58.21 | Bushmills | !deluser |
| 20:58.21 | dpkg | hmm... deluser is the tool used to delete user accounts from your computer. |
| 20:58.41 | Bushmills | or user from group |
| 20:58.44 | RhanisRho | i don't want to delete the user, just remove him from the group |
| 20:59.25 | Bushmills | man deluser |
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| 21:16.22 | ezprezo | Hey guys, quick question... I uninstalled wine because I don't need it anymore, and I had MS Office on there, I think I deleted that manually.. but when I go to a file with an Office extension it still has MS Office as default. |
| 21:16.35 | ezprezo | Is there a way to easily switch all of these at the same time? |
| 21:17.17 | ezprezo | Also, when I go to Open With... other application The menu has like 20 words, and 10 excels and all of that, can I get rid of these as they are cluttering up the "Open with other application" menu? |
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| 21:18.16 | angel56 | ezprezo: check /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache |
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| 21:19.21 | ezprezo | Hmm interesting interesting |
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| 21:20.11 | themill | ezprezo: .local/share is more likely to be relevant for wine applications |
| 21:20.16 | ezprezo | Well, I don't see any wine entries in there, |
| 21:20.21 | ezprezo | Oh ok, I'll check there too |
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| 21:22.03 | ezprezo | There's a whole ton of "wine-extension-dotx.***" files in there, can I simply wipe all of these out? |
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| 21:23.00 | r3pek | hey |
| 21:23.14 | r3pek | how can i confirm a debian-dev is still a debian-dev? ;) |
| 21:23.25 | r3pek | anyone know where they handout? :) |
| 21:23.44 | themill | db.debian.org |
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| 21:27.50 | connor__ | can someone help me with installing a repository? |
| 21:28.11 | helo | how can i start bash on a tty manually? i.e.- i press alt+f8 and see "#" |
| 21:28.35 | r3pek | themill, thanks |
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| 21:29.22 | connor__ | or rather, can someone help me install sources to sources.list? |
| 21:29.44 | somiaj | helo: you can just run the shell, /bin/bash -- though is this on a rescue/install cd? |
| 21:29.49 | LtL | connor__: just edit the repo line into /etc/apt/sources.list [as root] then run aptitude update .. or apt-get update |
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| 21:30.31 | helo | somiaj: embedded ramdisk ripped from a debian install |
| 21:30.41 | connor__ | thanks, but i need to get a key from the source and i dont know how |
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| 21:30.46 | connor__ | it is a well known source |
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| 21:31.22 | themill | connor__: it would be easier if you were more detailed and less vague about what you were trying to do |
| 21:31.59 | LtL | connor__: the source should have a URL at that website they should list the key and instructions on how to import it to your keyring. |
| 21:32.00 | helo | i thought 'getty -l /bin/bash 38400 tty9' would do it, but apparently not |
| 21:32.11 | connor__ | sorry, i am trying to add the following source: |
| 21:32.15 | connor__ | deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian-multimedia/ stable main |
| 21:32.33 | connor__ | but when i do i get the following error after i apt-get update: |
| 21:32.46 | connor__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.13 | themill | connor__: you need to install the "debian-multimedia-keyring" package. Also, use "squeeze" not "stable" in your sources.list. |
| 21:33.42 | connor__ | okay ill try that, thanks! |
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| 21:34.44 | streuner | connor__: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.php#q1 |
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| 21:35.50 | connor__ | great, that worked! Thanks a lot! |
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| 21:36.35 | Mike33 | anyone know a page to help generate a gig key for my companies apt repo so I don't get the "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
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| 21:37.47 | streuner | connor__: that was a good job, you are welcome |
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| 21:38.58 | themill | Mike33: /msg dpkg reprepro; the two links there talk you through it |
| 21:39.24 | Mike33 | themill, thanks |
| 21:39.31 | gentz | I dded debian iso to my usb flash drive & i boot it from the bios, but its not booting. do i need to do something else? |
| 21:39.46 | somiaj | helo: well do you even have the bash binary to run, ls /bin/bash |
| 21:39.57 | somiaj | helo: I think 'help' gives you alist of the builtin commands to that shell |
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| 21:41.15 | somiaj | gentz: did you dd it to the drive or the partition? |
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| 21:41.29 | helo | somiaj: my init is running a program that takes over tty0. nothign is running on any other ttys. for debugging i want to be able to alt+f2, switching to tty2, and have a bash prompt staring at me |
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| 21:41.32 | gentz | somiaj: to the parition |
| 21:41.33 | somiaj | gentz: i.e. of=/dev/sdc1 or of=/dev/sdc (assuming the usbdrive was /dev/sdc) |
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| 21:41.56 | gentz | somiaj: ah. thanks |
| 21:41.56 | somiaj | gentz: the usbdrive then needs a stnadard mbr writed to it and then you need to ensure that partition has the bootable flag |
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| 21:42.34 | helo | i have the bash binary |
| 21:42.37 | somiaj | gentz: or just write it to the actual device and not the partition |
| 21:42.38 | gentz | somiaj: should i use lilo or grub? |
| 21:42.46 | gentz | somiaj: really that will work? |
| 21:42.51 | somiaj | gentz: you can use fdisk to put a standard mbr partition |
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| 21:43.19 | somiaj | gentz: afiak -- again I haven't really messed with it, but I belive that is your problem is you didn't do anything to teh mbr of the usb drive and the mbr was written onto the partition with the dd |
| 21:43.55 | gentz | somiaj: didnt know u can use fdisk to write mbr. how? |
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| 21:44.47 | somiaj | I might be thinking of the old dos version, cause I'm just getting /mbr hits..:D |
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| 21:45.03 | streuner | you write mbr via lilo or grub... |
| 21:45.05 | gentz | somiaj: ok. i will try to use lilo |
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| 21:45.42 | somiaj | be careful, your partition data is also on the mbr, so you don't want to destroy that |
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| 21:46.48 | somiaj | gentz: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/install-a-new-mbr-to-your-usb-flash-device/ is what I found in google |
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| 21:47.21 | gentz | somiaj: thnaks |
| 21:47.29 | streuner | Do you think there isnt something mentioned in ig? ;-) |
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| 21:48.02 | streuner | dpkg, usb install |
| 21:48.03 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 21:48.23 | gentz | nice. ty |
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| 21:52.19 | gentz | lol ^. Sry wrong terminal. |
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| 22:00.52 | peterrooney | is betting that Onlyodin uses network-manager |
| 22:01.09 | themill | it's his client not his network connection that's the problem |
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| 22:20.53 | c4pt | hello i am having problems with my default audio device i have a usb audio device a pci audio device onboard ALC audio and hdmi audio |
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| 22:22.03 | c4pt | i tried to blacklist.conf blacklist snd-usb-audio blacklist snd-usb-lib blacklist snd-emu10k1 (the usb audio device and the emu10k1 devices are used in virtual machines) |
| 22:22.28 | c4pt | but both hdmi audio and the onboard ALC audio both use snd-hda-intel |
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| 22:47.33 | Pinchiukas | Anyone wanna help me with this: http://pastebin.com/SXj9QJ9s ? |
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| 22:55.41 | kreign | hi, i'm wondering which init.rd script it is that reads /etc/network/interfaces on boot. |
| 22:55.43 | jhutchins_lt2 | Wierd. Sometimes this Acer One doesn't resume from hibernate, but instead I get this sequece of test screens - solid colors, shaded bars, etc. Only fix is power off/on, and when it came back this time the konversation scrollbuffer shows June 22. |
| 22:55.46 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: have u googled?... perhaps this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1167710 |
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| 22:56.00 | kreign | does anyone know? |
| 22:56.29 | jhutchins_lt2 | kreign: I don't think it's direct input to an init script, but it's something networking calls. Before network manager and userspace drivers you could reset by restarting networking. |
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| 22:57.06 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: not really. :) |
| 22:57.08 | kreign | jhutchins_lt2, 'reset'? |
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| 22:57.38 | kreign | jhutchins_lt2, I'm not familiar with the importance/significance of networkmanager, as it relates to anything, really, other than desktop applets. |
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| 22:57.57 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: sorry, I really don't understand what it's trying to resolve in your fstab ... looks like something's blank ...perhaps you should have a look? |
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| 22:59.55 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: does that help? |
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| 23:00.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: release notes |
| 23:00.15 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 23:00.48 | The_Schmidt | o.0 |
| 23:00.48 | benedikt | are gpu fan speeds (fan voltage) controllable in the driver (and is it implemented) ? |
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| 23:05.03 | babilen | kreign: networking calls "ifup -a" and "ifdown -a" |
| 23:06.02 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: yeah, I was looking at fstab myself... |
| 23:06.15 | Pinchiukas | Here is my fstab: |
| 23:06.16 | Pinchiukas | # file system mount point type options dump pass |
| 23:06.16 | Pinchiukas | /dev/xvda1 / ext3 defaults 0 1 |
| 23:06.16 | Pinchiukas | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
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| 23:06.53 | Pinchiukas | Looks fine to me though. |
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| 23:07.36 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: u opened it with a text editor and look for strange characters and such? |
| 23:07.55 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: my guess there's an extra line or something in where it shouldn't be |
| 23:08.24 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: but that's the extent of my expertise on the subject :/ |
| 23:09.38 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: mine doesn't quite look like that |
| 23:10.01 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: did you set yours up manually? |
| 23:10.58 | Pinchiukas | Yeah. What's different from yours? |
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| 23:11.09 | The_Schmidt | my /proc is not mounted with 'defaults' like that^ and also...you may want to change /dev/xvda1 to /dev/sda1 ... I could be off, tho |
| 23:11.28 | The_Schmidt | do you have a working system? |
| 23:11.39 | The_Schmidt | that system? is it working? |
| 23:11.46 | Pinchiukas | No. :) |
| 23:12.08 | The_Schmidt | ok, so then why do you have it as a /dev/xvda1 ? |
| 23:12.11 | otak | The_Schmidt: I think Pinchiukas is using Xen |
| 23:12.42 | The_Schmidt | otak: link? |
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| 23:12.55 | Pinchiukas | Yes I am. |
| 23:13.05 | Pinchiukas | I see other systems mount proc with defaults too. |
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| 23:13.26 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: yes, I'm using Xen. |
| 23:13.46 | Pinchiukas | I could try /dev/sda1 I guess... But I don't see how that'd change anything. |
| 23:13.50 | Pinchiukas | It's a symlink. |
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| 23:14.57 | alesan | hi! my understanding is that debian "SID" has quite recent stuff that is fairly stable |
| 23:15.00 | alesan | correct? |
| 23:15.20 | benedikt | alesan: define "fairly" |
| 23:15.28 | linux2 | I'm wondering if someone might be able to help me with this. I just bought a new Emachines E443 laptop today and did a fresh install of debian testing. When I attempt to boot all goes well until after it loads the kernel. It shows a few more items and then looks like it tries to go into framebuffer mode and then the screen looks like static and just stays like that. Any ideas? |
| 23:15.50 | alesan | benedikt, I do not know, otherwise I would not ask |
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| 23:16.07 | alesan | for example I installed "squeeze" but it has an ancient xorg version |
| 23:16.12 | benedikt | alesan: you are asking for an objective definiton of a subjective term |
| 23:16.13 | alesan | I would need something more recent |
| 23:16.15 | The_Schmidt | alesan: sid is the most recent ... and will likely break often when you update |
| 23:16.28 | benedikt | alesan: short answer: deian testing |
| 23:16.30 | alesan | The_Schmidt, isn't that "experimental"? |
| 23:16.42 | alesan | so "squeeze" is not testing? |
| 23:17.19 | benedikt | linux2: sounds like it is when X is starting. Try starting without X or switching to one of the virtual terminals (Ctrl-Alt-F[1..6]) |
| 23:17.28 | themill | alesan: can I ask why you're looking for a newer xorg? |
| 23:17.35 | benedikt | alesan: squeee is stable |
| 23:17.58 | alesan | themill, I have a binary Mali driver that needs an updated ABI |
| 23:18.14 | The_Schmidt | alesan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Distributions |
| 23:18.16 | alesan | (ARMEL Debian) |
| 23:19.01 | alesan | I would need a fairly recent version this board has memory controller issues and it crashes a couple of times per day anyway |
| 23:19.02 | themill | alesan: there's a newer xorg for squeeze in squeeze-backports; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:19.27 | alesan | /msg dpkg bpo? |
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| 23:19.39 | themill | dpkg: tell alesan about bpo |
| 23:20.04 | alesan | so it would be enough to enable the backports in apt.conf or similar? |
| 23:20.21 | themill | alesan: that sends a message to the bot "dpkg". xchat will have opened a new tab with the message from dpkg. |
| 23:20.34 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: perhaps u should paste the entire fstab on pastebin.com |
| 23:20.41 | themill | alesan: sources.list; follow the instructions on the backports website. |
| 23:20.58 | alesan | themill, I did not question the syntax, but the "bpo" thing |
| 23:21.06 | alesan | only few secodsn later I understood it was "backport" or something |
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| 23:21.32 | themill | originally "backports.org" |
| 23:21.42 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: http://pastebin.com/a48p9qr9 IS my entire fstab. |
| 23:21.48 | linux2 | I'm not sure if my question got posted |
| 23:22.15 | linux2 | I got disconnected, anyone see a question from me above? |
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| 23:23.33 | themill | cheapie: please stop filling the bot with useless crap. |
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| 23:24.16 | cheapie | themill: You mean the ROT13'd moo? Sorry. |
| 23:24.16 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: idk it looks right to me |
| 23:24.28 | themill | along with a pile of others, yes. |
| 23:24.30 | linux2 | I'm wondering if someone might be able to help me with this. I just bought a new Emachines E443 laptop today and did a fresh install of debian testing. When I attempt to boot all goes well until after it loads the kernel. It shows a few more items and then looks like it tries to go into framebuffer mode and then the screen looks like static and just stays like that. Any ideas? |
| 23:24.38 | linux2 | sorry if that is a re-post |
| 23:24.42 | cheapie | themill: OK then. |
| 23:24.43 | Pinchiukas | Me too. :/ |
| 23:25.00 | alesan | cheapie, how can I read some ROT13 stuff out of the bot? |
| 23:25.25 | cheapie | alesan: Ask dpkg about "help rot13". |
| 23:25.31 | alesan | do you know if "SID" has a netinstall for ARMEL? |
| 23:25.52 | themill | dpkg: tell alesan about install sid |
| 23:26.11 | themill | alesan: Given your level of knowledge of debian, I'd highly recommend that you don't go anywhere near sid. |
| 23:26.51 | alesan | wasn't sid a step below "experimental"? |
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| 23:27.00 | alesan | in any case OK I will install "testing" |
| 23:27.25 | themill | alesan: why not just use stable... |
| 23:27.31 | linux2 | anyone else here have problems with the ATI radeonHD 6250 and debian? I can't get my system to boot. |
| 23:28.12 | alesan | I already have squeeze. I want a more "recent" system I can boot to if I need something updated |
| 23:28.21 | alesan | like gstreamer for example |
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| 23:30.02 | phob0s | mplayer aaosdcolor=V qutestion: V use in which format? |
| 23:30.19 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: is it an encrypted drive or something? |
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| 23:31.31 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: nope. |
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| 23:35.02 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: from what I see in this post it looks like you may have a bad drive http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/target-filesystem-doesnt-have-sbin-init-835691/ ... might I recommend the ubcd for a hard drive util ... ultimatebootcd.com |
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| 23:36.16 | cheapie | themill: Is dpkgbot's database open-sourced? |
| 23:36.19 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: this is a virtual machine. I doubt very much that the drive is bad. :) |
| 23:36.25 | Pinchiukas | It can't mount something as far as I can tell... |
| 23:36.31 | BenBE | I have a quite interesting problem with Apache and SSL on Debian: Whenever I try to setup a SSL VHost on the primary IP of the Server I get a HTTP VHost on Port 443; when I setup the same config on another IP the same config block creates a proper SSL VHost. Using mod_gnutls+NameVirtualHost |
| 23:37.02 | The_Schmidt | Pinchiukas: perhaps u try a reinstall on the vm, then? |
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| 23:39.13 | c4pt | hello i am having a problem with alsa and multiple sound cards |
| 23:39.28 | c4pt | i have a emu10k1 card , ALC audio , USB audio , and HDMI audio |
| 23:39.51 | c4pt | i've tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base but the only device showing up in my audio preferences is my hdmi audio |
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| 23:41.09 | Anarchy7 | how can I open a port? |
| 23:41.13 | Anarchy7 | whats the command ... |
| 23:42.02 | thewanderer1 | Anarchy7: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:42.12 | Anarchy7 | open 53 for Bind |
| 23:42.14 | g3brown | I was running 'cp' from an ssh session that got disconnected. #1 does it finish the copy before stopping. #2 anyway I can reconnect to that session to see what happened? |
| 23:42.22 | thewanderer1 | Anarchy7: what closed it? |
| 23:42.39 | Anarchy7 | I dont know , someone says it is closed .. |
| 23:42.49 | thewanderer1 | g3brown: #1 probably no, #2 no :P |
| 23:43.02 | BenBE | g3brown No and no. Use screen which makes a yes yes ;-) |
| 23:43.04 | Pinchiukas | The_Schmidt: :) |
| 23:43.19 | thewanderer1 | Anarchy7: Debian by default does not block any network traffic |
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| 23:44.50 | thewanderer1 | you should be able to verify that by calling `iptables -L -v` and seeing if policies are set to ACCEPT and no rules are otherwise present |
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| 23:46.38 | Anarchy7 | pkts : port? |
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| 23:46.44 | Anarchy7 | I dont see anywhere 53 |
| 23:47.16 | thewanderer1 | please paste the output of that command to paste.debian.net |
| 23:47.32 | Megaf | root@debian:~# uptime |
| 23:47.34 | Megaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.44 | Megaf | lets go towards 1 year of uptime |
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| 23:48.02 | thewanderer1 | Megaf: gratz... I had 200 days but the UPS had to fail :P |
| 23:48.25 | Megaf | :S |
| 23:48.33 | c4pt | <c4pt> hello i am having problems with alsa and multiple sound devices in debian |
| 23:48.33 | c4pt | <c4pt> i have an ALC onboard audio device , snd-hda-intel , a USB external audio device snd-usb-audio and a hdmi audio device snd-hda-codec-hdmi |
| 23:48.44 | BenBE | Okay, found the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642357 --- Seems this bug also takes effect if not listening on localhost, but 0.0.0.0 for the first IP a VHost is defined. Downgrade to 0.5.6 workes properly. |
| 23:48.51 | Anarchy7 | thewanderer1 : http://paste.debian.net/131681/ |
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| 23:50.17 | thewanderer1 | Anarchy7: ok, there are no iptables rules which would block DNS traffic. also, the firewall is redundant since the policy is set to ACCEPT anyway... |
| 23:51.06 | thewanderer1 | (read: your firewall rules are doing nothing really...) |
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| 23:52.40 | shujin | italic |
| 23:52.45 | Anarchy7 | so how do I open this port? |
| 23:52.49 | shujin | does that look italic to you |
| 23:52.51 | Anarchy7 | or make it listening |
| 23:52.54 | Anarchy7 | or work ... |
| 23:53.01 | shujin | does this look italic to you? |
| 23:53.05 | shujin | or do you just see symbols |
| 23:53.23 | shujin | ? |
| 23:53.57 | thewanderer1 | shujin: no italic, no symbols either |
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| 23:54.10 | shujin | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 23:54.28 | windparadise | hello, pls how do I configure mysql server to allow remote connections? |
| 23:54.44 | windparadise | using debian 6 |
| 23:54.50 | thewanderer1 | Anarchy7: the port is not being filtered, maybe you don't have anything listening on it... see `netstat -tl` to check that for TCP, or -ul for UDP |
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| 23:55.19 | cheapie | Does anybody know where I can download a copy of the dpkg bot? (I REALLY want one...) |
| 23:55.26 | thewanderer1 | windparadise: edit /etc/my.cnf, remove the part which tells it to bind to 127.0.0.1 only, then make a user with % or the remote addr set as host instead of localhost |
| 23:55.33 | BenBE | windparadise By setting the bind address to 0.0.0.0 |
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| 23:55.48 | thewanderer1 | cheapie: dpkgbot is just infobot AFAIK, look for it |
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| 23:56.19 | cheapie | thewanderer1: I already have an infobot, I'm just looking for dpkg's facts database. |
| 23:56.48 | thewanderer1 | cheapie: ask dpkg about factoids |
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| 23:57.50 | cheapie | OK, but I can't figure out how to import those into my infobot. |
| 23:58.18 | cheapie | thewanderer1: OK, but I can't figure out how to import those into my infobot. |
| 23:58.18 | Anarchy7 | or 53 isnt being listened ... |
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| 23:58.25 | Anarchy7 | so what to do? |
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| 23:58.39 | thewanderer1 | Anarchy7: have you checked netstat? |
| 23:58.45 | Anarchy7 | yes |
| 23:58.52 | thewanderer1 | do you have a DNS server running? |
| 23:59.26 | Anarchy7 | http://paste.debian.net/131682/ |
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| 23:59.49 | Anarchy7 | Apache web server and Bind are running by webmin/virtualmin |
| 23:59.52 | windparadise_ | thewanderer1: my.conf is not in /etc/ folder, I can locate it, |
| 23:59.54 | Angelous | Hey, does anyone know the synatx for telnet like if I wanted to telnet a program to tell it what to do? |
