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| 00:51.22 | Big_Brother | i forgot my system's password again. :x |
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| 00:56.40 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 01:43.35 | rektide | hello, i'm curious if there's some way i can extract a url for the public key for the Skype repository http://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/ |
| 01:44.06 | rektide | they tell me to use apt-key to: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 4E9CFF4E |
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| 01:44.36 | rektide | is there perchance some way to get a .pub file that has the public key, so i can add that key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ ? |
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| 01:46.18 | rektide | or if nothing else, how do i retrieve the key as a static file? |
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| 01:50.17 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.32 | OldParr | the system colapsed |
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| 01:50.46 | rektide | thanks. i'll be careful friend. :/ |
| 01:51.02 | rektide | and, i dunno, i'm sorry for your loss? |
| 01:51.03 | OldParr | it uninstalled the whole gnome |
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| 01:51.25 | rektide | apt's package resolution has gotten noticably hostile in the past two years |
| 01:51.29 | rektide | it used to find upgrade paths |
| 01:51.30 | N2L | Are there any sources |
| 01:51.34 | rektide | now it has only hatred in it's black heart |
| 01:51.42 | rektide | REMOVE EVERYTHING is solution #1 |
| 01:51.44 | N2L | srictly for games(Open-source games) |
| 01:51.51 | rektide | followed by 300 REMOVE (most) everything |
| 01:52.13 | LiENUS | does debian host a kernel.org mirror? |
| 01:52.38 | rektide | as of yet i just don't have the patience to keep asking for next, to see when it's going to start being constructive and suggestin gupgrades. i, also, do not have a good apt pinning preferences file set up, so it may just be me not giving apt the information it requires. |
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| 01:59.16 | N2L | anyone wanna help me? |
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| 02:01.28 | N2L | hello |
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| 02:01.30 | N2L | anyone here? |
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| 02:02.16 | HazardX | if what you need is really simple/quick I could try. |
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| 02:02.42 | N2L | ok do you know any package sources for games? |
| 02:03.15 | HazardX | things to add to apt? |
| 02:03.47 | N2L | yea |
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| 02:04.50 | HazardX | if you know what you're looking for has been ported to linux, search for it in google with varying forms of 'deb' and 'apt' and 'repository' in the search terms |
| 02:04.58 | HazardX | then you might find some/one/what you're looking or |
| 02:05.00 | HazardX | *for |
| 02:05.19 | rektide | that thing about not having an apt preferences file to establish pinnings? bad idae. gotta fix. |
| 02:05.24 | rektide | not so smart. do not do. |
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| 02:06.03 | rektide | (but bless you emdebian for trying) |
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| 02:08.57 | CrazyGir | hiya! I am trying to setup a virtual network for network testing/dev running via kvm on a debian host. I originally asked this question in #kvm, but I believe it is more of a fundamental network question: I currently have a br0 setup over my laptop's eth0. This is dhcp, and the basic bridged network for the vms (so vms get an ip on the local network). I would like to setup a separate subnet for dev / testing network setups, but need access to the ext |
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| 02:10.37 | HazardX | CrazyGir, I think you can do that in kvm's config on its own, I've always used the tap method to setup network in kvm (so my VMs show up as completely independent IPs on my physical network) |
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| 02:11.45 | HazardX | Unfortunately you're using a laptop, since the easy thing (for me anyway) would be to add another phsyical interface :S |
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| 02:14.01 | Big_Brother | how do i edit permissions for 4 different drives so that it's open to all users and not just root? |
| 02:14.06 | Big_Brother | debian 6. |
| 02:15.15 | HazardX | you mean so regular users can mount/umount the drive? or do you want to allow read/write acccess to other users? |
| 02:15.46 | CrazyGir | mmm |
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| 02:16.27 | CrazyGir | HazardX: libvirt seems to have promise: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking |
| 02:17.03 | Big_Brother | HazardX: open use of the drive to all users. |
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| 02:17.51 | HazardX | Big_Brother, the usual way to do something like that is to mount the drives someplace, and create folders on the mountpoints with approparate permissions (then just treat that folder like the root part of the drive for the users) |
| 02:18.29 | HazardX | CrazyGir, I think that would do what you want, or something like the vde stuff (maybe, I'm not sure if that does NAT for you) |
| 02:19.23 | HazardX | anyway, I'm out later |
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| 02:22.09 | AsuraLe | hen i wanna to mount my windows partion with my thunar,it shows me Authentication is required. how could i fix it ? |
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| 02:23.47 | fractal_mandala | hello |
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| 02:23.54 | Fah | Anyone know if you're walking 2 snmp branches (process name/process memory), will the nodes be in the same order in both branches? |
| 02:23.54 | fractal_mandala | i need help with alsa |
| 02:24.22 | fractal_mandala | i was installed alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 02:24.36 | fractal_mandala | but my alsa doesn't work |
| 02:25.19 | AsuraLe | fractal_mandala: could you control you vol ? |
| 02:25.38 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 02:25.38 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
| 02:25.45 | fractal_mandala | when i tell alsamixer he tell me no such file or directory |
| 02:25.48 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: ^^^ |
| 02:26.17 | fractal_mandala | that is my first expirience with debian i was bought some vps for game hosting |
| 02:28.07 | fractal_mandala | can somebody help me with this i was reading debian wiki but nothing |
| 02:28.20 | fractal_mandala | and make all steps |
| 02:28.53 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: read the message from dpkg above |
| 02:30.08 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: follow up by asking dpkg further questions e.g. /msg dpkg install alsa |
| 02:31.11 | fractal_mandala | thank you very much i will try |
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| 02:32.52 | fractal_mandala | i never used debian i using arch inux few years |
| 02:33.57 | fractal_mandala | nothing |
| 02:34.00 | fractal_mandala | :( |
| 02:34.03 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: welcome to ddebian then |
| 02:34.46 | fractal_mandala | and i was adding my user to group audio |
| 02:34.55 | fractal_mandala | nothing |
| 02:35.07 | fractal_mandala | alsamixer no such file or directory |
| 02:35.30 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: If I were you I'd work through with the bot, if you still have questions I'd pop back later when there are a few more bods here |
| 02:35.52 | fractal_mandala | ok |
| 02:36.02 | MrFrood | slsamixer is part of alsa-utils |
| 02:36.03 | fractal_mandala | that drive me crazy |
| 02:36.09 | fractal_mandala | i know |
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| 02:36.31 | fractal_mandala | and alsaconf |
| 02:36.49 | fractal_mandala | i don't have alsaconf too |
| 02:37.14 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: squeeze oes not use alsaconf |
| 02:37.40 | MrFrood | that's what the message earlier from the bot was about |
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| 02:37.57 | fractal_mandala | o i didn't know |
| 02:37.59 | MrFrood | it's probably the most common alsa issue |
| 02:39.01 | fractal_mandala | that is not good |
| 02:39.24 | fractal_mandala | i setting up alsa on arch for few moments |
| 02:39.30 | fractal_mandala | :( |
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| 02:40.25 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: the bot (dpkg) is pretty well stocked with alsa related factoids - anything in <> is another factoid, here is the alsactl factoidd again |
| 02:40.35 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 02:40.35 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
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| 02:41.41 | f00li5h | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.58 | f00li5h | this is some kind of funkyness between shorewall and xen, can someone help a guy out? |
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| 02:47.04 | fractal_mandala | cat /proc/asound/cards no such file |
| 02:47.16 | fractal_mandala | ? |
| 02:47.25 | fractal_mandala | wtf |
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| 02:49.07 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: have you run the alsactl command as given in the factoid above? |
| 02:49.43 | fractal_mandala | no |
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| 02:51.22 | MrFrood | fractal_mandala: use the bot it covers the most frequently encountered issues |
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| 02:51.45 | fractal_mandala | i was telling lspci |
| 02:51.52 | fractal_mandala | i don't see audio device |
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| 02:52.22 | MrFrood | maybe you need non-free firmware? |
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| 02:54.43 | AdaptiveSi | when compiling: Is there a way to compile only select Segments of a build tree? |
| 02:55.11 | richardr | If I want to check disk I/O on a Debian server, and I specify say for example; iostat -x -d 2 5 ... what stats should most concern me, how are they being presented (percentage %, out of 100?) and what is bad/high disk I/O |
| 02:55.21 | richardr | (trying to determine a bottleneck) |
| 02:55.25 | richardr | Thanks |
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| 02:58.29 | AdaptiveSi | can one just drop into a branch like drivers/sound or drivers/video and just compile that branch? |
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| 03:05.18 | AdaptiveSi | can one compile only one branch of a compile tree? |
| 03:07.19 | Big_Brother | i hate permissions so bad. |
| 03:07.40 | AdaptiveSi | LOL i will pay that Big_Brother |
| 03:08.34 | Big_Brother | i'd work everything through root if it was safe... but it's not at too safe. |
| 03:08.35 | AdaptiveSi | ask a specific question they say... i finally come in with a specific question and no ones awake :S:) LOL |
| 03:08.51 | AdaptiveSi | indeed with safe :) |
| 03:10.11 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: You can compile individual Linux kernel drivers; what you can do with a (non-specified) source tree depends a lot on that tree... so you need to be specific about what tree of code you are talking about, to get a useful answer. |
| 03:10.15 | Big_Brother | ok, so... i have these 4 drives which were designed to dick with me in every way possible. what can i do to fix it without junking them? |
| 03:11.15 | AdaptiveSi | LOL @ "designed to dick with me" |
| 03:11.29 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Seems unlikely that drive manufacturers are going around deliberately designing their drives for that purpose... can you be more specific about this real issue?? |
| 03:11.59 | AdaptiveSi | jmarsden i don't need to know about a specific source tree i can make the necessary leaps of faith there.. i am just wondering how one goes about it in a general sense... |
| 03:12.25 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: You use the build system that is part of the tree concerned. |
| 03:12.34 | AdaptiveSi | EG ONLY cd to .../drivers/video then make and expect ONLY the Video section to compile |
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| 03:12.54 | jmarsden | Maybe, *if* that is the way that tree was set up. |
| 03:14.03 | AdaptiveSi | ok then jmarsden thanks that is pretty much what i was hoping to find out will then need to tweak for myself :) |
| 03:14.14 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: You're welcome. |
| 03:14.38 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: i have these 4 drives that refuse to not be bound to root's permissions/group. i've done chown -R poochief:poochief (among other combinations), i've done chmod -R 777, etc., etc. i even added them to fstab so they'd mount on bootup. |
| 03:14.55 | AdaptiveSi | i have a fair amount of knowledge already.. often i just need holes in my knowledge filled :) |
| 03:15.21 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Are we talking about drives, or about filesystems? |
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| 03:15.45 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: whole hard disk drives each with ext3 filesystems on them. |
| 03:16.24 | jmarsden | OK, so it is the filesystems you are having issues mounting. The drives themselves are not the issue. |
| 03:16.39 | AdaptiveSi | pardon my slight ignorance on this if it is important.. but i have issues with the older /dev/sdaxx stuff and the newer UUID crap :) |
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| 03:17.35 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: sure. |
| 03:17.57 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: So what exactly happens if you do (as root) mkdir /tmp/test1 ; mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /tmp/test1 # where sdb1 is the partition containing the filesystem of interest |
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| 03:20.41 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: it would create a temporary mount site in which i would mount the filesystem to and it'd be locked to root still. |
| 03:21.10 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: define "locked to root" -- that is not a technical term I am familiar with. |
| 03:21.54 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: permissions are set to root as is group- i, the user, cannot create a folder or move a file to the /tmp/test1 if i wanted to. |
| 03:22.41 | AdaptiveSi | mounted as RO??? try as RW? |
| 03:22.44 | AdaptiveSi | and i am guessing |
| 03:22.56 | Big_Brother | AdaptiveSi: root has RW though. |
| 03:23.29 | AdaptiveSi | i seem to recall that when you Mount though that that is what is specified i just wondered if it was at a higher level.. |
| 03:23.41 | AdaptiveSi | but i have not tinkered with it myself |
| 03:23.54 | AdaptiveSi | perhaps like you... i don't usually have an issue :) |
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| 03:24.32 | Big_Brother | all mounting is done through root though and permissions are just set to root. |
| 03:25.29 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Oh, OK; usually normal users don't get to play around at the top of a filesystem, but you can do it if you want... have you used the owner or user option to mount (or in fstab) ? |
| 03:26.33 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: chown? |
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| 03:27.14 | jmarsden | No... the owner or user options to mount. After you mount it as a normal non-root user, we can look at setting the desired permissions on the files within it. |
| 03:28.36 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Look at the fstab entry for your cdrom, for example. See the user option in there? man mount for a bit more info on these options... |
| 03:28.56 | Big_Brother | mount: only root can do that |
| 03:29.06 | un214 | that option works for only for filesystem such as fat and cdrom filesystems |
| 03:29.09 | AdaptiveSi | is the drive mounted as RW? |
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| 03:30.42 | Big_Brother | AdaptiveSi: all drives are mounted as RW, the user doesn't have permission however. |
| 03:30.49 | jmarsden | un214: Really? That is not what man mount seems to say... I guess now we need to test it some more... |
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| 03:30.52 | AdaptiveSi | ah ok then :) |
| 03:31.21 | AdaptiveSi | i understand that your users didn't have permission :) |
| 03:31.30 | jmarsden | tries to find a spare drive here to hook up to test with... |
| 03:31.31 | un214 | oh sorry, user, not user= |
| 03:31.36 | AdaptiveSi | i am somewhat intermediate myself :) |
| 03:31.43 | AdaptiveSi | ie in knowledge |
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| 03:32.42 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: something like (as yourself) mkdir /tmp/test2 ; mount -t ext3 -o user /dev/sdb1 /tmp/test2 would be a useful test... |
| 03:33.07 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Have you actually read the mount man page and tried the user option before? |
| 03:33.42 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: it's been a while. |
| 03:33.58 | Big_Brother | there was a period where all this was going nice and smoothly on windows |
| 03:34.06 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: document what you try... this is not windows :) |
| 03:34.26 | Big_Brother | but then the fake RAID card derped and was like 'what RAID5?' |
| 03:34.29 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: And mounting ext3 filesystems in widnows is not exactly likely to be trivial... |
| 03:34.52 | un214 | obviously, the user option only works inside /etc/fstab |
| 03:35.01 | Big_Brother | i went about a year without using the drives by using a 1TB i had laying around |
| 03:35.04 | Big_Brother | but it's full now |
| 03:35.09 | Big_Brother | so i gotta use this. |
| 03:35.13 | un214 | jmarsden: you're right but ext2 for windows is available |
| 03:35.20 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: no one said EXT* was being mounted in windows. |
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| 03:36.40 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: You said you had 4 drives with ext3 filesystems on them. You said you had used them a while ago in Windows... I thought... ergo, you apparently used those 4 ext3 filesystems in windows sucessfully. |
| 03:37.00 | jmarsden | Meanwhile, this is #debian. So try the command I suggested. |
| 03:37.08 | Big_Brother | i have ext3 filesystems on them *now*. |
| 03:37.12 | rektide | imminently doable via http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
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| 03:37.36 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: i was waiting for a reboot. |
| 03:38.02 | jmarsden | Why would you reboot in the middle of troubleshooting filesystem mounts? Did someone here in the channel suggest that you reboot? |
| 03:38.35 | rektide | there's 495 words under "Does the Ext2 driver access Ext3 volumes, too?" on http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html , no mention of ext4 though (see also: "outlook not good") |
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| 03:39.00 | jmarsden | rektide: This is #debian, we are not running windows, so all that is now irrelevant, but thanks anyway. |
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| 03:39.44 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: if you had read anything i said, you would have known i had tried to auto-mount the drives through fstab. i cleaned out the new lines and rebooted for less clutter and system confusion. |
| 03:40.09 | mentor | Interoperation is not off topic |
| 03:40.43 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: I came in around 30 minutes ago, if you said that in the last 30 mins or so I apologize. |
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| 03:42.17 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: right before i said 'so... i have these 4 drives desgined to dick with me...' you had said something and thus far, have never left the channel. |
| 03:42.22 | Big_Brother | in any case |
| 03:42.32 | Big_Brother | i, the user, cannot even use mount. |
| 03:42.40 | Big_Brother | since, again, only root can. |
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| 03:43.36 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: man mount and read the part about non-superuser mounts |
| 03:44.04 | jmarsden | If you were correct, that aprty of the man page would not exist :) |
| 03:44.06 | jmarsden | *part |
| 03:45.09 | Big_Brother | http://i.imgur.com/UIkCb.png |
| 03:46.32 | jmarsden | Looks like it may well need to be in fstab, as someone else already suggested. |
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| 03:47.12 | ebzzry | Is it possible to create a fat client with ltsp-build-client? I'm running Debian Stable, btw. |
| 03:48.06 | yagoo | fat client? |
| 03:48.07 | yagoo | ? |
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| 03:49.31 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: but they were... |
| 03:49.49 | Big_Brother | and mount said, as i said before, only root can do that. |
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| 03:49.57 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Including the user option in the relevant fstab line(s) ? |
| 03:50.08 | jmarsden | pastebin me the fstab entries please |
| 03:50.33 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: i kinda just did what there was for the USB line but with the UUIDs and /media/ points. |
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| 03:50.51 | jmarsden | so no user entry, so of course only root can mount it :) |
| 03:51.08 | jmarsden | pastebin me what you did, we can edit it and go from there. |
| 03:51.24 | Big_Brother | i've already undone it as i stated before. |
| 03:51.49 | Big_Brother | also, the usb0 has rw,user,noauto on it under the options column. |
| 03:52.04 | Big_Brother | which i copied over for each drive. |
| 03:52.22 | jmarsden | OK, I'll test here on my drive... |
| 03:53.16 | Big_Brother | is it a clean format with gparted under root? |
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| 03:54.06 | Big_Brother | with=through |
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| 03:56.27 | thogar | is there any excuse for anything that i do, such as unpacking or even opening an application, that i get pegged with 100% cpu usage? |
| 03:56.49 | Big_Brother | thogar: horribly weak CPU. |
| 03:57.01 | thogar | athlon 64 3800 cant be that bad? |
| 03:57.19 | thogar | my pentium 4 had no problem at all, same situation |
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| 03:59.04 | somiaj | thogar: what application? Is it all or just paticular ones. Gnome is unforntally a big resource hog |
| 03:59.47 | somiaj | thogar: you should run top and see exctally which application is having the issue. |
| 03:59.58 | thogar | top doesn't report anything |
| 04:00.08 | thogar | yet it will stay at 100% for a minute or so |
| 04:00.20 | somiaj | what stays at 100%? You can have top sort by cpu ussage |
| 04:00.25 | Big_Brother | somiaj: i'm in gnome and i'm getting 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 on my Sempron 140. |
| 04:00.28 | thogar | hmm |
| 04:01.02 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: It can be, I'll reformat it that way... |
| 04:01.21 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: formatting aside, what have you? |
| 04:02.07 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: A 1 TB SATA drive and a USB-to-SATA converter thingie to hook it up outside the machine. |
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| 04:02.39 | Big_Brother | i was wondering more if you've mounted it yet. |
| 04:03.46 | jmarsden | It was NTFS... still playing around... looks like something automounted it so I can't reformat it... |
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| 04:06.24 | thogar | top doesn't report anything thats heavily using cpu, but i have a cpu monitor applet, and once the system becomes slow that applet display 100% usage, so i dont know what to believe |
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| 04:08.37 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: brrr, I kee getting "/dev/sdf1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" nonsense... I'll let you know when I have an ext3 fs I can test with!! |
| 04:08.58 | Big_Brother | k... |
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| 04:10.07 | becker_11 | hi I don't want to take up to much of your time so would anyone have a url of a good ssh tutorial covering setting up keys and getting connected for the first time please? |
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| 04:14.21 | Corey | bambanx: ssh-keygen, accept defaults, ssh-copy-id user@host, type your password, boom, done. |
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| 04:14.56 | bambanx | sorrywhat Corey ? |
| 04:15.15 | Corey | Er,mistab. That was to becker_11 |
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| 04:15.53 | bambanx | ok |
| 04:15.55 | bambanx | :) |
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| 04:16.53 | yagoo | (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/htaccess.html) Hi, any apache htpasswd knowers? (I don't want .htpasswd in a location navigable from a mapped web directory-- this works) I can't seem to find the doc to explicitly define username/passwords within a config, or a location that's not web navigable.. |
| 04:17.03 | becker_11 | Yeah thanks Corey I have installed ssh to my laptop, setup static ip, generated the key, forwarded the ports from my router and installed a ssh client on my android phone. I still don't know how to get the key I generated to my phone |
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| 04:18.57 | yagoo | is it htdigest i use instead of htpasswd? |
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| 04:26.55 | LtL | yagoo: you use htpasswd to generate passwords for the .htaccess users |
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| 04:27.21 | LtL | yagoo: encrypted passwords |
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| 04:31.01 | bambanx | how i can install in apanel some stuff show me the temperature of my video card ? |
| 04:31.18 | yagoo | LtL, the question is can I store this .<> file NOT in a web folder |
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| 04:34.48 | LtL | yagoo: well, are you talking about where that file goes? I haven't beed watching |
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| 04:39.02 | LtL | yagoo: ya got me lost sorry. |
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| 04:51.42 | becker_11 | Okay I have a SSH key created and I've emailed it to myself (I created it on my smart phone) how would I go about importing it into the host machine?? |
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| 04:59.11 | jmarsden | becker_11: Stick it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:59.40 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: It works for me (at last -- issues were with formatting the partition not mounting). See http://paste.debian.net/132327 |
| 04:59.54 | becker_11 | jmarsden, do I name it <name> or <name>.pub? |
| 05:00.12 | becker_11 | jm_, sorry thats a file you specified duh |
| 05:00.20 | jmarsden | No, you put it as one line of the file ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 05:24.25 | xrfang | thanks |
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| 05:27.44 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: http://paste.debian.net/132329/ |
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| 05:30.09 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Um... what I am supposed to do with a list of UUID info? Did the approach that worked for me work for you?? |
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| 05:31.09 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: i noticed something odd... all the disks named v1-v4 have sec_type=ext2 but the 'type' is ext3. you think that might cause issues? |
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| 05:32.43 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: I doubt it; I'd have to dig deeper to be sure, but I think that is because ext3 is "ext2 with journalling", so at that level it "looks like" an ext2 filesystem. |
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| 05:34.00 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Did you create an fstab line similar to mine for one of your filesystems, and if so, can you now mount/umount it as a normal user? |
| 05:34.58 | Big_Brother | was it meant to be 'relatime' or 'realtime' ? |
| 05:35.13 | jmarsden | relatime. Relative access time. |
| 05:35.20 | Big_Brother | ah |
| 05:35.27 | MaXim_ | man |
| 05:35.32 | MaXim_ | just had some kind of FreeBSD gremlin |
| 05:35.39 | MaXim_ | couldn't mount any of the nfs mounts |
| 05:35.48 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: It's not important for this, it is just what I generally use, it improves performance a bit in some cases. |
| 05:35.51 | MaXim_ | must be after i fiddled with the exports last night and didnt notice |
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| 05:38.35 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: nosuid? |
| 05:38.43 | Big_Brother | and nodev? |
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| 05:39.22 | jmarsden | Makes sure the system cannot use suid executables and devices on a filesystem; this is mountable by any user, therefore not trusted for systen level struff by the system. make sense? |
| 05:40.06 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: all of this is in the man page for mount, which by now you should have read :) |
| 05:40.41 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: i'm fumblin' between 4 screens now. ;_; |
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| 05:41.22 | jmarsden | Why? One screen, on a machine running Debian, should be sufficient for most people... |
| 05:41.41 | AdaptiveSi | you've got to be kidding |
| 05:41.49 | AdaptiveSi | multiple references to multiple things |
| 05:41.56 | AdaptiveSi | lucky if 4 is enough |
| 05:42.00 | MaXim_ | ive been meaning to buy a new monitor |
| 05:42.26 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: most GUI terminal emulators have tabs. One screen. |
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| 05:42.55 | AdaptiveSi | hmm fair call on screen vs "Views"... but yeah i run CMD Line |
| 05:43.08 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: my main computer is a windows box, it has udal 24" monitors, my arch box is a laptop 'under' those monitors and the debian box is my soon-to-be NAS which has its own monitor above the dual 24" monitors. |
| 05:43.10 | AdaptiveSi | have completely separate system to do research :) |
| 05:43.23 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: all conveniently connected via synergy. |
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| 05:43.46 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: So use the command 'screen' to let you run multiple terminal sessions, and use virtual machines to do "research" ... so you only need one physical machine and one physical screen. |
| 05:44.00 | MaXim_ | tmux master race |
| 05:44.19 | AdaptiveSi | it's ok i have the other machines.. but even with that i still can't find the answers to what i need to know :( |
| 05:44.37 | AdaptiveSi | the only other way is to READ EVERYTHING on LINUX before i start even a simple task... |
| 05:44.38 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: Then the issue is not how many screens you have, just knowing how to find help :) |
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| 05:44.57 | AdaptiveSi | NO.. i would like to know how you find help to something NO ONE HAS DONE? |
| 05:45.23 | MaXim_ | it's great to have api on one monitor while you're coding |
| 05:45.29 | AdaptiveSi | i do wish i knew what i needed to know :| |
| 05:45.30 | MaXim_ | instead of flicking over every few mins |
| 05:46.12 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: You find help on related tasks and learn the principles involved, and synthesize that info to do your new creative work. |
| 05:46.33 | AdaptiveSi | LOL you're kidding right? |
| 05:46.38 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: http://paste.debian.net/132331/ |
| 05:47.12 | jmarsden | No, it is how everyone I know does new truly creative work -- it is always based on something someone else did... we stand on the shoulders of giants... |
| 05:47.20 | AdaptiveSi | 1 it keeps changing 2 more idiots in the programming world who can't stick to standards 3 i would actually have to read everything on every subject even remotely connected to what i am doing |
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| 05:48.15 | AdaptiveSi | most of the time i have to make a guess have a stab in the dark hope it works and then hope i understand why it worked or what it is that did work |
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| 05:49.06 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: Which is why it takes about ten years of dedication to become expert on any one subject. Guessing is ... usually rather unhelpful when the work involved is complex. |
| 05:49.43 | AdaptiveSi | yes .. but what do you do when you just want something to work .. that some one else changed and you were expecting it was going to be OK? |
| 05:49.44 | MaXim_ | what's a decent monitor to buy |
| 05:49.47 | MaXim_ | eIPS or better |
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| 05:51.11 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: restore from the backup made before "someone else" got hold of your code ? |
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| 05:51.54 | AdaptiveSi | it isn't like that... atm i am trying to set up a MythTV system that part has all been OK baring having to adjust for NO Documentation for the NEWER Kernels |
| 05:52.26 | Bushmills | or rebuild your last good version from VCS |
| 05:52.37 | AdaptiveSi | Acquire Hauppauge card cause they are supported and seem to be recommended... except that the particular version i have isn't in the existing drivers |
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| 05:53.15 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: Do your homework, and use the older code and a known working card; *then* work with newer unknown stuff once you have learned from doing it the documented way. |
| 05:53.30 | AdaptiveSi | research to find out what i can do about it... find that i can build the drivers because of course those that say they have done it haven't posted the drivers anywhere or anything usefull like that |
| 05:53.50 | AdaptiveSi | there isn't a documented way |
| 05:54.00 | Bushmills | does that problem arise with stable, or testing/unstable? |
| 05:54.03 | AdaptiveSi | there is not one single clear line of reasoning on it |
| 05:55.13 | AdaptiveSi | so MythTV leads to Hauppauge leads to compile leads to source code aquisition.. leads to how the hell do i actually compile just ONE MODULE |
| 05:55.20 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: looks like i'll work on it when i get home tomorrow. |
| 05:55.22 | AdaptiveSi | for something that isn't documented at all |
| 05:55.47 | AdaptiveSi | and i can't get enough clarity to find the next step |
| 05:56.10 | AdaptiveSi | i don't know what files have or havent' compiled or where they now go |
| 05:56.13 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: How to compile one kernel module is very commonly done, often documented in the source code for each module if I remember rightly. How many other kernel modules have you compiled individually in the past? |
| 05:56.16 | AdaptiveSi | or where the compiled versions are |
| 05:56.33 | AdaptiveSi | NONE |
| 05:56.45 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: Sounds like you need to step back and learn about the general world of kernels and kernel modules, and compiling them. |
| 05:57.11 | AdaptiveSi | which is why i turn to people who have done it before to help me rather than having to WADE through the TONNES Of pages of HOWTOs which are equally unhelpfull |
| 05:57.48 | AdaptiveSi | i understand the concepts of compiling have been doing it for years.. but to compile so many with so many options when most i don't even need to touch is ridiculous |
| 05:58.21 | AdaptiveSi | and peoples statements of "Just install the module".. fail to mention HOW.. ie What(?) goes Where(?) |
| 05:59.03 | jmarsden | Use official docs before random web howtos and such. There is a Debian Linux Kernel Handbook. It might help. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:59.34 | AdaptiveSi | it doesn't help me |
| 05:59.35 | aypea[2] | AdaptiveSi: the hassle you are hitting there is that whilst this is just one instance of the question for you, for the people here it's the Xth, where X is some large number. after a while you get tired of handholding and just point people to the docs to read and that's fair enough. |
| 05:59.47 | AdaptiveSi | i learn from discussion and working out where the gaps are |
| 06:00.08 | AdaptiveSi | but everyone wants you to read 100pages on why there's an alphabet before telling how you spell |
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| 06:00.21 | Bushmills | !m-a |
| 06:00.22 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
| 06:01.05 | AdaptiveSi | aypea[2] that is fine and great.. except i can see that i wont be able to tell if there's a difference because what i am trying to do already has problems |
| 06:01.16 | AdaptiveSi | so is it that i have done something wrong .. or there IS something wrong? |
| 06:01.23 | AdaptiveSi | and how do I pick the difference? |
| 06:01.44 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: That is why I suggested you start with a clearly supported card and kernel first, before trying to work with newer kernels and a newer card :) |
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| 06:02.21 | AdaptiveSi | and that might be nice if i had tonnes of money and reading didn't put me in particular to sleep :( |
| 06:02.50 | AdaptiveSi | i have what i have and no other options really short of a tonne of reading that i am NOT Convinced will actually help me |
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| 06:03.09 | AdaptiveSi | so i can have this working by about the time i die if were to read everything i should |
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| 06:03.50 | jmarsden | OK. If you can't be bothered to read, technical computing as a whole is probably not something you are well suited to, so pay someone do to it, and use your time doing a different task that you enjoy and which will earn you the money to pay the other guy to do the stuff you don't want to do. |
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| 06:04.17 | AdaptiveSi | i would be fine if i could enter a Discussion with someone rather than being a Parrot |
| 06:04.41 | jmarsden | I don't know of many parrots that read... |
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| 06:05.17 | AdaptiveSi | do you really want to start with Kernel Version, make and model of pc... date and time etc? just to work out if the system even supports somethign that i am sure it will but doesn't? |
| 06:05.27 | AdaptiveSi | i don't know what question to ask... |
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| 06:05.57 | AdaptiveSi | i always dispair of having to ask things for just this reason |
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| 06:06.17 | jmarsden | AdaptiveSi: I think your question is "how do I compile and install a single kernel module in Debian?". I think you have already been pointed to two ways to find out... |
| 06:06.27 | AdaptiveSi | i come here for help... so that i don't have to read endless pages in the hope of finding JUST the bit i need |
| 06:06.36 | fredl | hmm, first time here of trying to set up an openvpn connection from Debian, so I'm using the GNOME network-manager.... it seems that the 'Password' type requires a certificate as well, is this true? |
| 06:06.37 | dedbef_ | module-assistant |
| 06:06.50 | AdaptiveSi | yeah and atm i don't know if i am doing something wrong.. or something is missing |
| 06:07.21 | AdaptiveSi | neither of which really answers HOW DO I? |
| 06:07.55 | AdaptiveSi | it is why i was hoping to find someone who has actually got HVR-2200 (8953) |
| 06:08.06 | AdaptiveSi | but i have buckleys on that |
| 06:08.46 | dedbef_ | oh a win-tv tuner |
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| 06:09.02 | somiaj | AdaptiveSi: calm down. Start over. What module do you need to compile for that card? And I am assuming you found there isn't a debian package for it? |
| 06:09.03 | AdaptiveSi | yes |
| 06:09.12 | dedbef_ | well if the module is loaded and detects the hardware you should see a /dev/video folder (i'd think) |
| 06:09.24 | AdaptiveSi | that is something else i am trying to work out but something along the lines of saa7164 |
| 06:09.29 | dedbef_ | then you can run something like xtv or whatever its called tuner to read it |
| 06:10.08 | AdaptiveSi | step back.. can't get that far |
| 06:10.20 | dedbef_ | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200 read that? |
| 06:10.23 | somiaj | dedbef_: xawtv, (: |
| 06:10.35 | dedbef_ | thanx somiaj |
| 06:10.41 | dedbef_ | its xawtv AdaptiveSi |
| 06:10.55 | dedbef_ | was only missing 2 letter :D |
| 06:11.48 | AdaptiveSi | yep can't make head nor tail of it... it seems to have NOTHING to do with my actual problem |
| 06:12.10 | dedbef_ | thought you needed help installing the drivers for it? |
| 06:12.18 | AdaptiveSi | it is all in the fact that the card i have is VER 8953 |
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| 06:12.55 | AdaptiveSi | the drivers have to be acquired (source code at that) and then compiled and then installed |
| 06:13.15 | AdaptiveSi | because despite indications that it recognises the card.. that is and isn't true |
| 06:13.53 | AdaptiveSi | the chipset is found ... however the difference with the later version don't seem to work with it so you need the updated source |
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| 06:17.03 | dedbef_ | dunno what to say, its wintv thingy that should say it all in its compatability, dont try using it with a mac ;) |
| 06:17.35 | AdaptiveSi | well there aren't any other HD Digital Dual Tuner cards around |
| 06:17.39 | AdaptiveSi | not that i can tell |
| 06:17.45 | AdaptiveSi | and any that are have the same issue |
| 06:17.52 | AdaptiveSi | well in different ways |
| 06:18.35 | AdaptiveSi | atm i have cx5000: firmware incorrect size |
| 06:18.48 | dedbef_ | http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/faq/support_faq_linux.html |
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| 06:20.16 | AdaptiveSi | just had a look and still the specific card in question isn't listed there so i don't know what would apply :S:| |
| 06:20.48 | AdaptiveSi | it's down to a revision issue .. if i had 8900 it would be fine |
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| 06:21.24 | AdaptiveSi | i am trying to expand my knowledge by trying and the asking questions about what i don't know |
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| 06:22.05 | AdaptiveSi | and i do tend to ask "Google" before asking here.. but GOOGLE or it's results only take me so far |
| 06:22.47 | dedbef_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1167640 ? |
| 06:23.07 | dedbef_ | find that yet? |
| 06:23.46 | dedbef_ | anyway goodluck, dont watch too much tv, it'll turn you into a NWO zombie |
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| 06:25.42 | AdaptiveSi | nope that's a new one.. still seems like it may or maynot work. i have been through that sort of thing.. but i need to update the base source first :S:) and then i would prefer just to install the Module produced as existing kernel seems to already have module support |
| 06:26.05 | AdaptiveSi | thanks though it's one more to hunt through they have some links at the end :) |
| 06:26.07 | dedbef_ | i find google lacking lately, it was once perfect, but now i'd do searches like "this -that +them" but i still get hits missing +them or still having -that and for some reason viagra adds are right on top |
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| 06:26.28 | AdaptiveSi | LOL yeah :) |
| 06:26.40 | dedbef_ | i use startpage.com and whats it called |
| 06:26.42 | AdaptiveSi | what i really hate actually is the MISSING STEPS in a Sequence of a HOWTO |
| 06:26.49 | dedbef_ | duckduckgo |
| 06:26.57 | AdaptiveSi | hmm ok then :S:) |
| 06:27.11 | dedbef_ | i hear duckduckgo is great for programming/linux search help |
| 06:27.53 | dedbef_ | startpage more for hackers and conspiracy theory folks trying to get away from CIA google |
| 06:28.03 | AdaptiveSi | LOL :) |
| 06:28.19 | dedbef_ | not joking though |
| 06:28.34 | dedbef_ | dead serious |
| 06:29.22 | AdaptiveSi | writeups that say step one acquire the drivers and step two is Install the drivers.. without description of where from .. where to.. OR like in this case EVERY Step involved in the process from NOTHING to Drivers Installed and Fully functional |
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| 06:29.38 | AdaptiveSi | yeah i believe you :)... no arguments there |
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| 06:31.00 | AdaptiveSi | pardon.. need to add i hate writeups that say.... |
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| 06:33.17 | reiffert | Hi. How to stop my interfaces from having an inet6 address on squeeze? |
| 06:33.32 | dedbef_ | blacklist ipv6 module |
| 06:33.48 | dedbef_ | /etc/modules.d/blacklist? somewhere around thar |
| 06:33.54 | dedbef_ | then rebooty |
| 06:33.57 | reiffert | dedbef_: anything that can be done on runtime without bringing the interface down? |
| 06:34.13 | dedbef_ | could try force unloading the ipv6 kernel module |
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| 06:34.21 | dedbef_ | dunno if it will work though |
| 06:34.25 | reiffert | lsmod | grep v6 returns empty. |
| 06:34.29 | mosno | perhaps there's something in /proc or /sys to be twiddled? |
| 06:34.29 | dedbef_ | might need to bring all net devices down or something |
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| 06:37.04 | dedbef_ | hmm |
| 06:38.31 | reiffert | seems like echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 does the job |
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| 06:39.17 | reiffert | but still those messages: gw named[30666]: error (network unreachable) resolving './NS/IN': 2001:500:2f::f#53 |
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| 06:42.09 | rrrreimer | will apt-get install package also resolve the dependencies automatically? I played around with a local package but it didn't install the dependencies |
| 06:43.30 | dedbef_ | think so "apt-get autoremove" |
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| 06:43.53 | reiffert | solved by adding -4 to bind9 nameds options in /etc/default/bind9 |
| 06:44.05 | somiaj | rrrreimer: packages are marked as either 'auto' or 'manual' depending on if you asked for it to be installed or it was brought in asa a dependency |
| 06:45.52 | somiaj | rrrreimer: sorry, missread you. yes apt-get should resolve packages. Now if you start using unoffical sources and or start mising things you can ask for impossible situations. |
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| 06:49.31 | dedbef_ | omfg you have no idea i have like a billion repo's all at war with each other |
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| 06:49.50 | dedbef_ | every month is a new slew of package problems |
| 06:50.26 | ompaul | dedbef_: it is possible to put in a sane small consistent list and get on with life, but some people like a challenge, just saying :) |
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| 06:52.13 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 06:52.25 | mah454 | Why debian have not cdrecord command ? |
| 06:52.48 | dedbef_ | besides the fact upgrade manager always tells me "safe-upgrade"? and says i still have packages to install each time never is finished oh its hell, i need to remove all the sources or reinstall :P just lazy |
| 06:53.00 | valdyn__ | mah454: because you have not installed it |
| 06:53.20 | mah454 | valdyn, what package ? (debian stable) |
| 06:53.33 | mah454 | valdyn__, what package ? (debian stable) |
| 06:53.54 | valdyn__ | mah454: "cdrecord" |
| 06:54.11 | mah454 | valdyn__, I have not this package in repository ! |
| 06:54.24 | valdyn__ | mah454: what about "wodim" |
| 06:54.33 | rrrreimer | I'm confused, isn't apt-get install the same than aptitude install? the first one didn't install the dependencies (using a local package) but the latter one does |
| 06:54.35 | MaXim_ | mah454: cdrecord is part of the cdr-tools package which was removed from debian |
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| 06:54.58 | popkill | mah454: use cdrskin, wodim |
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| 06:55.11 | rrrreimer | I seem to become better familiar with aptitude than apt-XXX |
| 06:55.16 | valdyn__ | MaXim_: now you're talking about the program by Joerg Schilling, but he was just asking for the command |
| 06:55.22 | mah454 | valdyn__, what is output of this command : dpkg -S $(which cdrecord) |
| 06:55.35 | valdyn__ | mah454: wodim |
| 06:55.49 | valdyn__ | judd: versions cdrecord |
| 06:55.51 | judd | Package: cdrecord on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1 |
| 06:55.51 | dedbef_ | cdrdao ? |
| 06:56.04 | valdyn__ | judd: versions wodim |
| 06:56.05 | judd | Package: wodim on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1; squeeze: 9:1.1.11-1; sid: 9:1.1.11-2; wheezy: 9:1.1.11-2 |
| 06:56.18 | dedbef_ | i honestly hate cd/dvd's i hope they die soon |
| 06:57.07 | rrrreimer | dedbef_, I like CDs, especially as an ISO on my hard drive :-D |
| 06:57.15 | dedbef_ | lul |
| 06:57.16 | valdyn__ | mah454: i still had the dummmy package cdrecord installed too, but its appearantly no longer available. wodim is fine |
| 06:57.33 | mah454 | valdyn__, ok |
| 06:57.41 | somiaj | rrrreimer: apt-get and aptitude have slightly different logic, but for the most part use the one you like (aptitidue is prefered in some situations) |
| 06:57.44 | popkill | cdrskin work fine too |
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| 06:57.56 | somiaj | rrrreimer: as for upgrades usually read the docs, some upgrades do better with one over the other (dist-upgrades) |
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| 06:58.06 | timpa | i've got a file inside a mounted dir thats 4,4 TB according to ls, df shows that the whole mount is only 4TB big. |
| 06:58.09 | timpa | whats up with that? |
| 06:58.33 | valdyn__ | timpa: sparse files can be bigger than the container |
| 06:58.56 | timpa | you mean like "empty space"? |
| 06:59.02 | dedbef_ | journals and filesystem stuff |
| 06:59.07 | timpa | k |
| 06:59.14 | dedbef_ | formating |
| 06:59.28 | dedbef_ | dang a 4tb file |
| 06:59.44 | timpa | database |
| 06:59.46 | dedbef_ | work for the gobment or somethin? |
| 06:59.54 | timpa | telecom company |
| 07:00.01 | dedbef_ | just as bad |
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| 07:00.03 | dedbef_ | heh |
| 07:00.06 | valdyn__ | timpa: like a file thats created at a specified size without writing it |
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| 07:00.34 | valdyn__ | !sparse file |
| 07:00.37 | valdyn__ | !sparse |
| 07:00.37 | timpa | valdyn__: yes so it just allocates 4,4 but only uses 4? |
| 07:00.46 | valdyn__ | timpa: thats possible yes |
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| 07:01.40 | dedbef_ | i was thinking the filesystem.img is 4.4 and the filesystem within is only 4tb and .4 (wow thats a lot) dedicated free writable space within |
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| 07:01.56 | dedbef_ | er you know what i meant |
| 07:02.02 | valdyn__ | timpa: i dont know how you would get a 4.4 T file though, thats a one *long* write |
| 07:02.19 | timpa | its a WAFL volume |
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| 07:02.23 | timpa | containing lun |
| 07:02.32 | timpa | containing sql databse |
| 07:02.37 | valdyn__ | timpa: that makes sense then |
| 07:03.15 | valdyn__ | timpa: it will blow up to 4.4T if you copy it with a tool or to a filesystem that has no sparse file support |
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| 07:03.31 | timpa | ok |
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| 07:10.32 | rrrreimer | I get a bad substitution error but I can't figure out what's wrong with IN_FILE=${@:$(($#-1)):1} as it works somewhere else |
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| 08:50.45 | peekaie | Hello. If ifconfig -a shows my interfaces, does that necessarily mean that the firmware is up and running? |
| 08:51.03 | peekaie | or will they show up anyway |
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| 08:52.02 | jaan0 | try ip addr |
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| 08:54.01 | babilen | peekaie: No, which network adaptor are we talking about here? |
| 08:54.40 | peekaie | intel centrino wireless-N 1000. |
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| 08:54.58 | peekaie | ifconfig shows only 'lo'. ifconfig -a shows ethernet and wireless interfance. iwconfig shows everything |
| 08:55.15 | babilen | peekaie: Please run "modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn ; dmesg | tail -n 23" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:57.58 | peekaie | babilen, the debian machine is running a cli without internet, i can't paste the output. should i be looking for something specific? |
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| 08:58.34 | babilen | peekaie: It should give you messages regarding your firmware. Is firmware-iwlwifi isntalled? |
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| 09:00.03 | peekaie | during installation, i've been prompted if i wanted to load the firmware from an external device, since it's a "non-free" firmware. since i didn't have it at the time, i skipped. i then installed a package which has the firmware, but i can't figure out how to load it |
| 09:00.23 | peekaie | is there some way i can list all available modules i can load with modprobe? |
| 09:00.52 | PerfDave | peekaie: You don't manually "use" firmware, it gets loaded by drivers as needed |
| 09:01.52 | babilen | peekaie: The command I gave you reloads the module for your wireless adaptor. This will request and load the firmware if it is present. Do you see firmware-related messages in the dmesg output? |
| 09:02.47 | skilz | What do I install for java? |
| 09:03.12 | skilz | sun-java6-jre ? |
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| 09:03.39 | rascal999 | how can i make debsecan not send emails? |
| 09:03.54 | babilen | skilz: openjdk is recommended |
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| 09:03.58 | babilen | !tell skilz about install java |
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| 09:07.14 | sgnut | Anyone from helsinki? |
| 09:07.36 | sgnut | well of finland :) |
| 09:07.44 | sgnut | of->or |
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| 09:12.16 | babilen | !fi |
| 09:12.16 | dpkg | well, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
| 09:12.58 | babilen | sgnut: Please also note that general chit-chat should happen in #debian-offtopic not in here ... You probably find some Finnish people in #debian-fi |
| 09:13.01 | sgnut | thanks babilen :) |
| 09:13.26 | babilen | sgnut: The channel is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode though |
| 09:13.31 | sgnut | babilen: ok, and sorry for the offtopic |
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| 09:13.49 | babilen | sgnut: Have fun! |
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| 09:14.52 | archman | how much time does it need for the bug report to be visible on bugs.debian.org? |
| 09:15.34 | archman | i've reported one for exaile bpo 2 or 3 weeks ago and it's still not visible |
| 09:15.39 | babilen | archman: couple of minutes. I would say less than 30, but it might fluctuate |
| 09:15.54 | archman | babilen: hmm, something went wrong, then |
| 09:16.04 | babilen | archman: bug report for backports have to be reported to the backports mailing list |
| 09:16.10 | archman | aah |
| 09:16.12 | archman | tnx |
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| 09:16.48 | babilen | archman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
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| 09:29.54 | bcc | hello, my /var/log/messages have just seemed to stopped working.. they said " rsyslogd was HUPed, type 'lightweight'." |
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| 09:33.33 | sh00p | I want to make a .deb package for a kernel module with its own init.d script to start and stop it. Can I make it so that the package builds itself upon installation, or do I need to build it for a certain kernel and just ship the module in binary format? |
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| 09:35.18 | sh00p | maybe the deb will just contain sources, and then postinstall (or whatever its called) will build and install the module? |
| 09:35.24 | sh00p | does anybody have any tips on this |
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| 09:35.39 | hartzie | have you tried to google it= |
| 09:35.39 | hartzie | ? |
| 09:35.49 | sh00p | of course |
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| 09:44.47 | sh00p | the module i want to build is not in the repos |
| 09:45.10 | sh00p | or actually building it is not the problem |
| 09:45.18 | sh00p | I want to make a .deb from the source |
| 09:45.42 | ansgar | sh00p: I think you are looking for dkms. |
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| 09:46.19 | sh00p | interesting |
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| 10:19.10 | G0d-servant | The Aptitude "version" of action don't work in lenny. why? |
| 10:19.51 | G0d-servant | example: aptitude versions vlc |
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| 10:35.21 | Sc0rian | why are all my debian messages log file saying "rsyslogd was HUPed, type 'lightweight'." |
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| 10:45.48 | colo-work | Sc0rian, supposedly, logrotate HUPs your rsyslog processes after it rotates its logfiles. |
| 10:45.57 | colo-work | being a proper syslogd, rsyslog notes that down. |
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| 10:50.26 | Sc0rian | colo-work right ok.. it doesn't seem normal thats it's logging in my log files... |
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| 10:51.46 | stockholm | can i use apt-pinning like this: |
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| 10:51.59 | stockholm | Pin: version *+somestring* |
| 10:52.05 | colo-work | Sc0rian, eh? it's a program that's written for keeping log files. |
| 10:52.09 | stockholm | ? |
| 10:52.11 | colo-work | what else should be logging any such action? |
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| 10:55.14 | hanibana | hi. the version of a package in Lenny is A and in Squeeze is A+1 ( I mean major version). Generally is it possible to install A+1 version in Lenny? |
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| 10:57.34 | fasta | How can I display the name of my motherboard (and nothing else)? |
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| 10:57.46 | fasta | (lshw prints way too much and requires root.) |
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| 11:00.02 | stockholm | you will need to grep a little in dmidecode |
| 11:00.09 | babilen | stockholm: No -- See http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata |
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| 11:12.52 | inglor | Hello, got a problem with orion on debian. After a power outage they pid file of orion server was still there (because it didn't gracefully shutdown). How is this generally treated? I thought of creating a cron job to check if the pid file is there and delete it true. |
| 11:13.34 | inglor | Is there a standard strategy on this (because I think it should be common..) |
| 11:13.37 | wols | the orion start csript should do that. not a cronjob |
| 11:14.05 | wols | if you know via some other way that orion hasn't actually been started before. e.g by checking if that lock file is older than the system is booted up |
| 11:14.40 | inglor | wols, true I'll take a look on the script, Also thought of putting the lock file into /tmp folder |
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| 11:15.47 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
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| 11:16.42 | rocketmagnet | can someone help me with a simple problem ? when i install yasm i get version 0.8.0 but the firefox compile process does need a higher version (like 1.*.*) - how can i install a newer version of yasm the correct way ? |
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| 11:17.36 | themill | rocketmagnet: a better question would be "why are you trying to compile firefox?" |
| 11:18.08 | rocketmagnet | i want to try it out and i don't like iceweasel (firebug plugin is not working with iceweasel...) |
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| 11:18.29 | rocketmagnet | but it's a general question -should i compile yasm myself and remove to currently installed one ? |
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| 11:18.45 | wols | rocketmagnet: if anything you should backport it |
| 11:18.47 | wols | ,info yasm |
| 11:18.48 | judd | Package yasm (devel, optional) in squeeze/i386: modular assembler with multiple syntaxes support. Version: 0.8.0-1; Size: 523.8k; Installed: 1468k; Homepage: http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/ |
| 11:18.58 | danboid | Anyone know if the chromium-browser in squeeze repos supports webm? |
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| 11:19.21 | themill | rocketmagnet: plugins work just as well with both browsers; you should "/msg dpkg mdn ; /msg dpkg backports.debian.org" |
| 11:19.29 | peekaie | i got an error while running tasksel. where can i see the log file? |
| 11:19.44 | themill | (the more likely problem is the insanely fast release cycle for firefox where everything gets broken every few weeks) |
| 11:20.04 | wols | "release early, release often!" :P |
| 11:20.33 | themill | break everything every other week |
| 11:21.04 | wols | it's a quote from ESR, so breaking is done every week. he's better than the others :P |
| 11:21.39 | themill | release early release often is good. So is designing a stable API. |
| 11:21.50 | wols | tell that linus :P |
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| 11:26.37 | slidesinger | Are there some dependency issues in stable? |
| 11:27.11 | themill | there should not be, no. /msg dpkg bat |
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| 11:32.09 | slidesinger | http://paste.debian.net/132370 |
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| 11:32.49 | themill | slidesinger: that's not stable -- you've mixed stable and testing there. |
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| 11:33.29 | slidesinger | Isn't squeeze stable? |
| 11:33.44 | themill | it is, but you've got pidgin and some perl stuff from testing (or unstable) |
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| 11:34.32 | themill | slidesinger: can you "apt-get update" then "/msg dpkg not available" and pastebin the output of that aptitude search command. |
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| 11:35.13 | slidesinger | Sure, meanwhile, here is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/132372 |
| 11:35.39 | themill | your present sources.list isn't necessarily relevant to things you did in the past or packages you manually downloaded and tried installing with dpkg -i. |
| 11:36.21 | themill | (also, on an unrelated point, don't use "stable" in your sources.list, use the codename for the release -- /msg dpkg stable sources.list -- and fix that up once we've sorted out the other problems) |
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| 11:42.25 | slidesinger | http://paste.debian.net/132374 |
| 11:42.52 | themill | eek |
| 11:43.21 | slidesinger | Right, there's a lot on here. |
| 11:43.48 | slidesinger | Been running stable on this box since etch. |
| 11:44.02 | themill | slidesinger: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy dash debconf dpkg libc6" for me? |
| 11:44.19 | themill | yeah, it looks like a mix of several releases. This is why you don't use "stable" in your sources.list. |
| 11:45.16 | slidesinger | http://paste.debian.net/132375 |
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| 11:45.54 | themill | how do you feel about running testing instead of stable? |
| 11:46.08 | slidesinger | Could do that. |
| 11:47.38 | themill | slidesinger: you have 3 options that I can see: (a) just upgrade to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) and put up with the moving target. (b) reinstall squeeze, restoring your data from your backups (/msg dpkg aptitude clone) or (c) try to downgrade these packages to squeeze (/msg dpkg partial downgrade) but that's going to be very hard to get it to work. |
| 11:49.20 | slidesinger | Are you referring to the packages that are listing the unmet dependencies? |
| 11:49.58 | themill | no, there's plenty more than that on that list. |
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| 11:50.46 | slidesinger | Right, how do I read that list, anyway? |
| 11:50.52 | themill | "not available" should list very little indeed. In your case, probably only skype. |
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| 11:51.30 | themill | That's a list of packages that have no entry in the sources.list for them. Some of them might be lenny packages that you never upgraded properly. Some are wheezy packages that you pulled in at some stage. |
| 11:51.45 | themill | (the technical term for this is "stinking mess", in case you're curious) |
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| 11:52.28 | jelly | I'll stink in YOUR mess |
| 11:52.30 | slidesinger | Got it. So the best way to clean up since some are old and some are too new is to do a reinstall. |
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| 11:53.56 | themill | slidesinger: yeah, downgrading isn't really that easy anyway. You could continue to upgrade to wheezy though. |
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| 11:54.54 | slidesinger | themill: Thanks much for the assist. |
| 11:55.26 | themill | slidesinger: no worries. Next time, don't use stable in your sources.list, use "squeeze" and don't mix releases ;) /msg dpkg frankendebian |
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| 11:56.26 | Maikl27 | hi, I have some problems with ffmpeg in debian. I can't conver from webm to other formats, how to fix it? |
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| 11:56.53 | qmr | how do you say 'echo until foo' ? |
| 11:56.56 | Maikl27 | a.webm: could not find codec parameters |
| 11:57.01 | qmr | I thought it was >>> EOF or <<< EOF |
| 11:57.05 | qmr | but I guess it's not |
| 11:57.11 | slidesinger | themill: I never thought that using stable in the sources.list would create such issues. |
| 11:57.35 | themill | slidesinger: did you actually do a deliberate lenny->squeeze upgrade at some stage? |
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| 11:57.48 | slidesinger | themill: no |
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| 11:58.29 | themill | slidesinger: yeah, hence the interesting mix of lenny and squeeze on your box. There are release notes written with upgrade procedures that you should follow. But your real problem here is that you tried to install packages from wheezy/sid onto a squeeze box. |
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| 11:59.09 | rocketmagnet | hi again... does someone know how to add entries to the main menu (the menu at the top) ?? |
| 11:59.35 | rocketmagnet | for example if i write an installer and want my application to create a new entry there |
| 11:59.41 | rocketmagnet | or do it manualy |
| 11:59.49 | wols | with lenny and squeeze there, why can't he upgrade to full squeeze? since he only has stable in his sources.list, where would wheezy packages come from? |
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| 12:00.30 | themill | wols: *current* sources.list does not tell you anything about previous sources.list (or what was done with dpkg -i, but this looks like it was done by apt) |
| 12:00.57 | kansas_slim | hi. when setting up a firewall for a httpd on which port does the server respond to a client request? |
| 12:01.46 | wols | kansas_slim: 80 and 443 for https. do you really really want to do that? |
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| 12:02.08 | kansas_slim | it's a school project |
| 12:02.12 | slidesinger | I did install a couple of things out of testing when they were not in stable, but never allowed it to push libs, so all the libs should be stable. |
| 12:02.52 | wols | ah, homework |
| 12:03.01 | kansas_slim | wols: they respond on the same ports? so i just allow outgoing traffic on those ports and i'm done? |
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| 12:03.32 | themill | slidesinger: that's not true. You have libc6 from wheezy. You also have things like dash and dpkg from wheezy. |
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| 12:04.53 | slidesinger | How the heck did I get libc6 out of wheezy? |
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| 12:09.35 | jelly | <slidesinger> I did install a couple of things out of testing |
| 12:09.41 | jelly | ^^ that's how |
| 12:10.24 | jelly | the rest of that sentence is not accurate for reasons that are obvious |
| 12:10.30 | slidesinger | Well, I can say this, I never would have knowingly allowed a libc6 upgrade. |
| 12:10.56 | rdz | hi all. is the BTS currently down? |
| 12:11.13 | rdz | reportbug says it cannot connect to BTS |
| 12:11.31 | jelly | slidesinger: your dpkg.log and apt or aptitude logs will show exactly when did the upgrade occur |
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| 12:12.00 | themill | slidesinger: given that dash was upgraded too, I'd guess you did an "upgrade" when you had testing in your sources.list. |
| 12:12.13 | slidesinger | Cool, I will go and figure that out. Don't want a repeat. |
| 12:13.10 | themill | slidesinger: never mixing repositories in your sources.list is the best way of avoiding that. |
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| 12:16.30 | dsdeiz | heya, anyone using urxvt w the 256color patch? what's the termName I should set? rxvt-256color? |
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| 12:18.30 | kchehab | hi ppl |
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| 12:18.58 | SLot | n |
| 12:19.04 | SandmanNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.08 | SandmanNet | What am I doing wrong here |
| 12:20.49 | kchehab | i installed a modules on debian and special configuration ,whats the way to install the same image on another server (all packages and configuration included) |
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| 12:21.42 | PerfDave | kchehab: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections is a start |
| 12:21.49 | wols | kchehab: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 12:22.02 | wols | kchehab: or you simply make a backup and restore it on the other server |
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| 12:24.28 | babilen | dsdeiz: rxvt-unicode-256color (compare to the rxvt-unicode-256color package in sid) -- You could probably backport that with the steps outlined in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 12:25.44 | kchehab | wols i am a beginner in debian /linux can you please send me a link to read it |
| 12:26.06 | dsdeiz | babilen: awesome, tyvm! |
| 12:26.24 | kchehab | or how to make this backup and restore .is it a backup fir whole partiotion or on packages |
| 12:26.30 | wols | kchehab: type the above in your irc client here. dpkg, the bot in here, will then message you |
| 12:26.53 | kchehab | dpkg |
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| 12:33.38 | wols | kchehab: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 12:38.09 | Hiall | Is there a good list of repo's for squeeze? Just got a new vps and am having package unable to find for pritty much everything heh |
| 12:39.00 | colo-work | Hiall, what are you trying to install? |
| 12:39.14 | Hiall | php/mysql/nginx |
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| 12:39.32 | colo-work | you won't need third-party repos for any of that. |
| 12:39.42 | colo-work | fix your apt setup before doing something unwise. |
| 12:39.55 | Hiall | ah kk |
| 12:40.26 | Hiall | thanks colo-work |
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| 12:44.34 | Hiall | heh sorted it somehow skipped the default repo's during install |
| 12:44.47 | Hiall | thanks again colo-work ;) |
| 12:45.41 | colo-work | you're welcome |
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| 12:50.10 | wols | Hiall: happens when you have not network connection when installing |
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| 12:59.30 | iateadonut | does fail2ban work only with ssh? |
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| 13:01.19 | themill | iateadonut: it can be configured to work with lots of other daemons too. Check out its configuration in /etc/fail2ban/ (along with its documentation) |
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| 13:04.39 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 13:07.28 | iateadonut | i was writing a database of md5 strings to see how easy it would be to crack certain passwords, and a lot of passwords, especially ones of less than 6 characters and maybe made of dictionary words are not safe - i was wondering though, if your program was set up to md5 twice, then there's no database that could possibly be created to reverse the final md5 hash to its original password... is that not even relevant? |
| 13:08.04 | PerfDave | No :) |
| 13:08.08 | blink_ | I have renamed a system, and dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to use a smarthost I control. when fcheck (or cron) runs and generates an email, it sends the email to root@development.domain.tld instead of root@domain.tld. any idea where I can go to resolve that? |
| 13:08.22 | ansgar | iateadonut: You want to read about "salting" hashed passwords. |
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| 13:08.50 | Tobias| | Sure there could be, iateadonut |
| 13:08.59 | colo-work | iateadonut, it's common practise to perform a hashing algorithm a certain number of rounds. the problem is that if the number of rounds is known, and the attacker has a rainbow table for that number of rounds, you're out of luck. |
| 13:09.11 | Tobias| | If it contained definitions for all possible MD5 hashes as well, you'd just pass it through your database/rainbow table twice |
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| 13:09.27 | Tobias| | Of course, that'd be a ridiculously large database |
| 13:10.12 | colo-work | it's much better to use a better hashing algorithm than performing MD5 a thousand times on each password you hash though. |
| 13:10.34 | iateadonut | like sha, you mean? |
| 13:10.38 | wols | iateadonut: you do know what a hash is and how it works? doing it twice is about the stupidest thing you can do with a hash. terminally stupid |
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| 13:10.51 | Tobias| | I personally advocate SHA512, but if you only have a small userbase, use some ridiculously slow hash |
| 13:10.54 | iateadonut | wols, nope, i don't. just learning. |
| 13:11.10 | wols | with encryption you can do it triple which helps security. with hashes, not so much |
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| 13:11.34 | iateadonut | how is it that ssh is able to encrypt without a certificate? |
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| 13:11.50 | dsdeiz | hm, so i've compiled and installed the one from sid tho i don't think i see rxvt-unicode-256color under /usr/share/terminfo/ |
| 13:11.57 | cysioland | Help! When I try to connect to Minecraft, it fails with: java.security.ProviderException: Library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsoftokn3.so does not exist . JRE: openjdk7 |
| 13:12.10 | colo-work | iateadonut, look at wikipedia for DH Key Exchange |
| 13:12.25 | Tobias| | Is Minecraft comptaible with openjdk? |
| 13:12.29 | rozie | cysioland: use sun java |
| 13:12.31 | Tobias| | Last I checked they said to use sun's |
| 13:12.36 | wols | iateadonut: please check where you are. thank you |
| 13:12.38 | colo-work | you mean Oracle's |
| 13:12.42 | colo-work | :^) |
| 13:12.54 | cysioland | rozie: With OpenJDK6 it works, it's bug in ca-certificates-java |
| 13:13.03 | iateadonut | thanks guys - lots of good keywords. |
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| 13:13.53 | rozie | iateadonut: I made database of IIRC all 4 letter and less md5 hashes |
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| 13:14.16 | rozie | it fits in memcahced on 1GB RAM machine |
| 13:14.55 | rozie | having such a DB you just ask for a hash and receive string instantly |
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| 13:15.27 | Sc0rian | i have failing hard drive (sdd)... but the box has 6 hard drives in it.. is there a way i can idenify the serial number in debian and colerate it back to the right drive? |
| 13:15.32 | rozie | but it's worth nothing when passwords are salted. and size of such a DB grows rapidly (exponetnially?) |
| 13:15.46 | rozie | Sc0rian: read SMART |
| 13:16.01 | rozie | compare s/n with one on the label |
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| 13:18.53 | Hiall | wols: sadly I was the one installing it orginally heh just got given the vps login details when the hosting co. finished |
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| 13:26.13 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 13:26.28 | Cybertinus | I'm trying to install php5-mcrypt on my Debian 5 server |
| 13:26.36 | Cybertinus | but I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/uy1yyNXP |
| 13:26.44 | iateadonut | ansgar, thanks about the salting passwords tip |
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| 13:27.19 | Cybertinus | anybody any idea how I can install php5-mcrypt or libmcrypt4? |
| 13:27.53 | themill | !show sources.list Cybertinus |
| 13:27.53 | dpkg | Cybertinus: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 13:29.12 | Cybertinus | themill: http://pastebin.com/F3ynFPD4 |
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| 13:32.27 | themill | Cybertinus: can you pastebin "apt-get update; apt-cache policy libmcrypt4" for me? |
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| 13:32.42 | Cybertinus | themill: sure, gimme a sec |
| 13:33.11 | themill | Cybertinus: actually -- you need to update your mirror |
| 13:33.21 | themill | dpkg: tell Cybertinus about mirrors |
| 13:33.32 | themill | Cybertinus: kernel.org mirrors are missing, pick another one that's close to you |
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| 13:35.51 | Cybertinus | themill: true, the kernel-mirrors are down, but it that a problem for php5-mcrypt? |
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| 13:36.46 | themill | Cybertinus: well apt now doesn't know where to find libmcrypt4. |
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| 13:37.22 | Cybertinus | themill: the requested paste http://pastebin.com/4zcY0rP4 |
| 13:37.46 | Cybertinus | themill: where can I find different mirrors? |
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| 13:38.36 | themill | see the list that dpkg gave you. ("deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" would be just fine though) |
| 13:39.45 | rascal999 | how can i bypass dialog boxes in shell to install software automatically? |
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| 13:40.08 | Cybertinus | themill: ah, I missed that dpkg had opened a private chat to me. Gonna check it out |
| 13:40.40 | themill | dpkg: tell rascal999 about preseed |
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| 13:41.25 | rascal999 | themill: my bad, this is for package installation via aptitude |
| 13:41.49 | themill | rascal999: the same ideas still apply -- "/msg dpkg debconf-set-selections" |
| 13:42.18 | Cybertinus | thnx themill, it is installed now |
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| 13:51.00 | blink_ | how do I change the hostname of my computer completely? I changed /etc/hosts and hostname but it's still pulling the old value for some cron emails |
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| 13:53.20 | niklaswe | blink_: use hostname new-hostname |
| 13:53.37 | niklaswe | the other required an reboot |
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| 14:00.10 | blink_ | niklaswe: ok thanks |
| 14:00.38 | blink_ | out of curiosity, does exim4 configured to use a smarthost, observe the /etc/aliases file? |
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| 14:01.29 | fasta | What is a good desktop sharing tool for Debian? |
| 14:01.53 | fasta | Ideally one where the other party also controls a mouse and can put labels, etc.? |
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| 14:03.49 | wols | fasta: vnc? |
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| 14:04.56 | fasta | wols: doesn't that also give equal control to both parties? |
| 14:05.20 | fasta | wols: I want to 'own' the desktop, but the other one has read-only access + some labels. |
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| 14:08.01 | alharaka | howdy, debconf-get-selections in squeeze: why is not there? apt says debconf-utils is installed. |
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| 14:08.20 | alharaka | i see everything *but* debconf-get-selections, including debconf-set-selections. |
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| 14:14.14 | G0d-servant | i installed vlc 1.1.7 from source. now i how removed it? |
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| 14:15.22 | abchirk | G0d-servant, make uninstall in the src dir? |
| 14:15.23 | petemc | G0d-servant: it may have a make uninstall option, otherwise you will have to manually remove it |
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| 14:18.37 | blink_ | if I run `mailx -s "ALERT: [fcheck] `hostname --fqdn`" root` and type in a message, then a line containing only a . it doesn't get sent to the alias I've defined in the /etc/aliases file |
| 14:18.49 | blink_ | I'm using exim4 configured to send to a smarthost |
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| 14:19.20 | jelly | blink_: where does it get sent? Did you remember to run "newaliases"? |
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| 14:19.28 | petemc | exim doesnt use newaliases |
| 14:19.40 | jelly | cor, what does it use |
| 14:19.48 | petemc | nothing, it just reads the files |
| 14:19.50 | petemc | file |
| 14:19.55 | G0d-servant | i removed the source dir, must be create again? it mean -> 1-extract bz2 file 2- ./configure 3-make unistall ? |
| 14:20.15 | jelly | petemc: on every single local delivery? |
| 14:20.45 | petemc | jelly: yes |
| 14:20.59 | petemc | you can use cdb or whatever |
| 14:22.12 | G0d-servant | abchirk & petemc: make unistall ->make: *** No rule to make target `unistall'. Stop. |
| 14:22.32 | abchirk | how did you install it? |
| 14:22.58 | G0d-servant | abchirk: you with me? |
| 14:23.33 | abchirk | yes |
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| 14:24.34 | G0d-servant | abchirk: from source -> 1-./configure 2-make 3-make install |
| 14:26.19 | LordDeath | i have replaced sendmail with postfix |
| 14:26.31 | LordDeath | but there is still a /etc/cron.d/sendmail |
| 14:26.41 | LordDeath | which sends a mail to the root |
| 14:27.08 | LordDeath | can I disable it without any side effects? |
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| 14:28.03 | wols | G0d-servant: make uniNstall. missing n above |
| 14:28.04 | abchirk | G0d-servant, mhh strange... and if you do ./configure again and make uninstall again? |
| 14:28.22 | abchirk | right the N is missing. :) |
| 14:28.58 | blink_ | jelly: I ran newaliases after updating it, it's being sent to root@oldhostname.domain.tld |
| 14:29.11 | blink_ | instead of admin@domain.tld |
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| 14:32.35 | petemc | blink_: you will have to add a router to look in /etc/aliases and place it before the router that sends to smarthost |
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| 14:32.47 | G0d-servant | wols & abchirk: make uninstall worked. removed. very thanks. "unistall" no "uninstall" :-D |
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| 14:34.15 | abchirk | yo |
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| 14:36.25 | blink_ | petemc: is there any way I can simply configure exim4 to send all root email to root@domain.tld instead of root@hostname.domain.tld without complicating the exim4 config with an additional router |
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| 14:36.52 | SuperNull | hey guys im fairly uneducated about packages and doing upgrades and maintenance with them.. (which is actually said for my position) anyone have an insightful documentation i can use ? i have some issue with upgrading older boxes with older versions and thats my ideal info |
| 14:37.07 | blink_ | this dev node is the only machine causing me problems, I have 15 others that use the smarthost correctly, and never tries to send to root@hostname.domain.tld |
| 14:37.40 | petemc | blink_: what does exim -bP qualify_domain print ?? |
| 14:38.21 | babilen | SuperNull: I would recommend to read the Debian reference and the release notes of the releases you want to upgrade to. |
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| 14:40.41 | blink_ | petemc: dev.domain.tld |
| 14:41.08 | blink_ | which is what I set it to using the hostname command. I get failures when it runs fcheck via cron, failing on root@development.domain.tld |
| 14:41.15 | blink_ | which is the old hostname |
| 14:41.30 | petemc | blink_: you could change that one setting to domain.tld |
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| 14:43.51 | mplabs | Hello |
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| 14:44.45 | mplabs | I'm trying to download a file automatically using wget but it says the server returned 404-forbidden. is there a way to simulate I'm using a browser? it does work if I try it by hand using FF for example |
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| 14:45.53 | petemc | mplabs: you could try passing a user agent string but it may be a redirect issue |
| 14:46.03 | blink_ | petemc: how do you mean "change that one setting" |
| 14:46.17 | petemc | blink_: set qualify_domain |
| 14:46.25 | wols | mplabs: lots of ways for the server to chec: user agent, robots.txt, javascript capability, cookies. etc |
| 14:46.36 | blink_ | I did dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to qualify all email as domain.tld, would that not do it? |
| 14:46.49 | petemc | it may, exim with exim -bP |
| 14:46.56 | mplabs | maybe it's just checking the user agent, I will try to send one |
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| 14:46.58 | mplabs | thanks |
| 14:47.56 | s0n00b | man date; man touch; is only funny the first 50 times you type it |
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| 14:48.44 | sammi` | how can you man touch for 50 times |
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| 14:50.33 | babilen | sammi`: You want to run "man touch" 50 times? If so: Just do it |
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| 14:51.59 | sammi` | ZZz |
| 14:52.14 | SuperNull | babilen my biggest problem is upgrading is broke on a lot of these servers.. ex: its running etch i686 .. nothing will install sadly.. i really only need to get mysql-client which fubars.. but. |
| 14:52.30 | babilen | !tell SuperNull -about bat |
| 14:52.37 | babilen | !tell SuperNull about etch |
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| 14:53.22 | SuperNull | babilen ! thats nice. |
| 14:53.23 | SuperNull | :-) |
| 14:53.27 | SuperNull | go dpkg haha |
| 14:53.28 | babilen | SuperNull: You should seriousl consider upgrading your etch boxes to squeeze. Please read "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
| 14:53.36 | babilen | seriously* |
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| 14:53.57 | SuperNull | Thank ya, i will try this.. luckily its a cacti box.. doing monitoring only. |
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| 14:54.30 | sammi` | grub2 is so hard to understand |
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| 14:57.40 | SuperNull | babilen seriously.. you rock i didnt even know dpkg offered such bot services mm mmm good. |
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| 14:59.52 | babilen | SuperNull: I merely pointed you in the right direction. We should thank the people who curate the dpkg database (/me included) .. Please note that etchnhalf exist too. I strongly recommend to follow the release notes for each release. etch does *not* receive security support whatsoever and you have to upgrade ASAP |
| 15:00.26 | babilen | SuperNull: It *might* be easier to start with a pristine squeeze install though, but both ways are possible. Good luck! |
| 15:00.43 | babilen | sammi`: Do you actually have a serious and Debian related question? |
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| 15:01.25 | SuperNull | yeahhh usually.. thats the case.. but we keep having these boxes that run for years.. |
| 15:01.27 | SuperNull | damn stability. |
| 15:01.48 | babilen | heh |
| 15:02.50 | blink_ | petemc: I have dc_readhost='domain.tld' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, that should be enough to overwrite the from right? |
| 15:02.52 | SuperNull | :-) |
| 15:03.03 | SuperNull | linux in general just works. |
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| 15:04.12 | SuperNull | i have had some public facing security issues tho. we once were a node in some kind of DDos botnet 400megabit of upload using dalnet irc.. (yeah only the ddos bots these days ?) |
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| 15:07.06 | SuperNull | crosses fingers on etch upgrade |
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| 15:16.40 | Sigvatr | http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7544/chuga19ef7.jpg |
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| 15:24.29 | MrMind | hi, I have a debian server at my home running lamp and use it to develop my websites⦠if I want to get access outside the local network so I can continue to develop when I'm not is home is vpn the best solution? |
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| 15:25.49 | dkr | yes |
| 15:26.07 | somiaj | MrMind: I prefer ssh myself, but then again I don't need graphical interfaces/tools on the actual server. |
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| 15:26.35 | dkr | yeah, I was thinking ssh, but if he is connectnig to websites on that internal net, too he might need gui |
| 15:26.53 | petemc | you can use nx over ssh |
| 15:27.09 | dkr | what's that? |
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| 15:27.29 | petemc | remote desktop protocol |
| 15:27.45 | dkr | nxproxy ? |
| 15:27.57 | petemc | nxserver, nxclient |
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| 15:28.06 | wols | why would one want to use such a thing to remotely develop? a editor can easily be run on a computer far away. no need to log in to do it |
| 15:28.11 | SNow | http://p.defau.lt/?_vEGKGGXJNeCEC7LlB3RtQ - how can I fix this? |
| 15:28.14 | petemc | there are other ways to achieve the same thing, this is just me prefence |
| 15:28.17 | petemc | preference |
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| 15:28.42 | petemc | wols: because one might prefer to do things that way, horses for courses and all that |
| 15:28.44 | jhutchins_lt | In most cases GUI forwarded over VPN is so slow as to be unusable. It's certainly not practical unless both ends have better than consumer grade links. |
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| 15:29.23 | wols | SNow: you don't mix releases. what debian are you running and how long has it been since updates? |
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| 15:29.32 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: uh .. consumers have fast links these days ... |
| 15:29.43 | wols | abrotman: tell this to my cellphone |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | not everyone is still on 768k DSL :) |
| 15:29.45 | dkr | petemc: hrm, don't see those in debian |
| 15:30.11 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: This is just from experience managing a few hundred remote sites at small businesses. |
| 15:30.14 | blink_ | abrotman: I've seen 30mbit cable lines throttle vpn sessions just because it's encrypted. <-canada |
| 15:30.16 | dkr | petemc: ah, found qtnx |
| 15:30.20 | petemc | dkr: there was freenx, i use nomachines packages |
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| 15:30.49 | SNow | wols I have just accessed the system, it's an old server, and I doubt it had an update in a year basis |
| 15:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Unless the businesses considered the internet to be a path for their revenue they were unlikely to have connections fast enough for GUI forwarding to be anything but a last-ditch access method. |
| 15:31.37 | wols | SNow: then there is probably "stable" in your sources.list. find first out what's there before you can fix it. basically you run etch or older (or so) and try to install a current debian package |
| 15:31.48 | petemc | nx works perfectly well over slow links |
| 15:31.56 | wols | SNow: I strongly suggest you reverse all package install actions you did so far |
| 15:32.02 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 15:32.02 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 15:32.07 | SNow | yeah, it's stable |
| 15:32.17 | SNow | wols did not do any installs, just update and -f install which crashed |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i've done tons of GUI stuff over VPN .. latency can be an issue .. but straight bandwidth isn't generally an issue anymore |
| 15:32.34 | SNow | so i should switch from stable to sitch and try update? |
| 15:32.39 | wols | SNow: what did you do exactly? |
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| 15:32.57 | wols | sitch? and no you cannot simply upgrade to a newer version like this. this is what broke your system... |
| 15:33.00 | dkr | I didn't mean literally running gui apps over the vpn, just accessing his devel web servers through the vpn with local gui app/aka web browser. :) |
| 15:33.16 | wols | dkr: openvpn or similar. or ssh |
| 15:34.01 | SNow | wols apt-get update, apt-get -f install and it crashed. |
| 15:34.15 | SNow | that's it |
| 15:34.23 | SNow | maybe someone did an update before me |
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| 15:34.43 | SNow | so I can replace stable with etch and try again ? |
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| 15:35.53 | wols | why did you run apt-get -f install? |
| 15:36.00 | SNow | ,versions dpkg |
| 15:36.02 | judd | Package: dpkg on i386 -- lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; squeeze: 1.15.8.11; wheezy: 1.16.0.3; sid: 1.16.1 |
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| 15:36.09 | wols | no you cannot. these packages are curently half installed basically |
| 15:36.09 | SNow | wols it suggested to do so because of libc6 |
| 15:36.20 | wols | and you don't even know which debian you run |
| 15:36.28 | SNow | 1.13.26 version of dpkg |
| 15:36.30 | wols | apt-get update suggested this? |
| 15:36.41 | SNow | wols no, apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:36.43 | SNow | suggested this |
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| 15:36.50 | SNow | because update told that there is no pubkey |
| 15:36.57 | wols | so you did install packages after all |
| 15:37.04 | SNow | I tried ;) |
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| 15:37.52 | wols | then please answer my question from above. this time, do it right |
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| 15:39.00 | SNow | Ok, apt-get update, saw a backports url in sources.list, removed it, did apt-get update, got a mesage regarding the pubkey, did apt-get install debian-archive-keyring, got a suggestion to do a -f install because of libc6, and then it broke down, thats it |
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| 15:40.31 | preller | is there a tool that finds me duplicate dirs/files on a disk? |
| 15:40.35 | wols | did apt-get install actually download and try to install anything? |
| 15:40.57 | abrotman | preller: yes .. fdupes |
| 15:41.06 | SNow | wols this time - no, but I am not sure about earlier stage ( earlier admin ) |
| 15:41.10 | SNow | I believe he did that.. |
| 15:41.14 | wols | SNow: e.g. did it download gpg and such? |
| 15:41.28 | preller | abrotman: thx |
| 15:41.50 | wols | SNow: what is in your sources.list? "stable" or "etch" or something else altogether? |
| 15:42.24 | SNow | wolms : http://p.defau.lt/?omkHVkvMfkLgudz1nFeeBA wolms: stable |
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| 15:43.20 | wols | SNow: I suggest your use dpkg to install a etch libc6 .deb file. it should tell you which package(s) are affected. basically the plan is to egt on a proper debian release, whatever that may be, probably etch, and then upgrade it to a current, supported one from there |
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| 15:43.34 | wols | alternative is to reset the whole thing and restore from backups |
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| 15:44.18 | wols | check if you have a /var/log/dpkg.log* and /var/log/apt* |
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| 15:45.16 | SNow | wolms There is /var/log/apt* |
| 15:45.35 | SNow | wolms you mean I should get .deb from etch not jusing apt-get and do dpkg -i ? |
| 15:45.46 | wols | then look at them. it tells you what has been done, which packages installed when |
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| 15:46.15 | wols | you cannot really use apt-get for etch anymore. etch is gone. EOL and no more mirrors there normally |
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| 15:46.28 | wols | use archive.debian.org |
| 15:46.36 | wols | SNow: what kernel version do you run? |
| 15:47.11 | gentz | my debian default time server at pool.ntp.org has been giving me the wrong time for over a week now? |
| 15:47.35 | valdyn__ | gentz: maybe your timezone is wrong |
| 15:47.51 | SNow | wolms I believe someone did upgrade witch stable.. |
| 15:47.54 | SNow | with |
| 15:48.03 | wols | gentz: and pool.ntp.org is not a debian service but basically the main timeserver for the whole internet (sort of) |
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| 15:48.14 | SNow | wols it's a vps 2.6.18-238.5.1.iv.028stab085.3 |
| 15:48.15 | gentz | valdyn__: nope timezone is set correctly. I have to manually set my clock each reboot with date |
| 15:48.17 | wols | SNow: no, they tried to |
| 15:48.29 | wols | great. a VPS :( |
| 15:48.47 | SNow | yeap.. |
| 15:49.00 | valdyn__ | gentz: pool.ntp.org gives *me* the right time |
| 15:49.00 | SNow | should it work with a libc6 from etch |
| 15:49.14 | cantido | gentz: sure your clock isnt slipping? |
| 15:49.41 | themill | gentz: what sort of offset does the clock have? |
| 15:49.52 | cantido | gentz: if your clock is too far out it wont be corrected either |
| 15:50.01 | gentz | yeah msut be something else. It keeps setting it to 7 am ish |
| 15:50.04 | wols | no. this kernel doesn't work with debian stable anymore. too old. udev will complain. loudly. lenny will work |
| 15:50.11 | valdyn__ | gentz: i suggest you try "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" to see this properly. the ntpd server you may be running does not set the time instantly |
| 15:50.13 | wols | I suggest you tell your VPS provider to upgrade their kernel |
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| 15:50.33 | cantido | gentz: sounds like the battery for your clock is dead IMHO |
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| 15:50.42 | SNow | wols so max what can I get is lenny, right? |
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| 15:51.32 | jhutchins_lt | gentz: Could be a problem with your hardware clock, possibly a bad battery on the motherboard. |
| 15:51.43 | wols | SNow: yes |
| 15:51.55 | gentz | Is there a way to test the battery? |
| 15:51.57 | SNow | wols I should take: http://archive.debian.net/etch/libc6 |
| 15:52.01 | gentz | My BIOS settings are saved |
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| 15:52.04 | SNow | i386 right? |
| 15:52.06 | cantido | gentz: voltmeter |
| 15:52.47 | wols | SNow: yes. but I would first look at the logs |
| 15:52.52 | SNow | libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1_i386.deb |
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| 15:53.17 | SNow | wols it complains about that tzdata is not installed |
| 15:53.39 | SuperNull | i use rdp over vpn all the time.. its not horrible. I do also control the modem configuration file of my modem tho ;-) |
| 15:53.41 | blink_ | in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, I have a dc_readhost='domain.tld' entry, but `exim4 -bP qualify_domain` still states that it's dev.domain.tld... how do I set that in the "debian" way? |
| 15:53.56 | SuperNull | wow. i left my window scrolled up for ever ago :-/ |
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| 15:54.07 | SNow | wols I installed tzdata + libc6, what can I do next? :) |
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| 15:54.18 | SNow | or maybe *must* :) |
| 15:54.21 | blink_ | my exim4 mainlog says that dev.domain.tld is an unroutable address (correctly, since the mail should have been sent to domain.tld) |
| 15:54.24 | valdyn__ | blink_: did you run update-exmi4.conf ? |
| 15:54.27 | blink_ | yep |
| 15:54.36 | SNow | wols can I change from stable to lenny and do update and upgrade? :) |
| 15:54.58 | wols | !tell SNow about etch->lenny |
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| 15:56.29 | blink_ | valdyn__: I'm not sure that the dc_readhost even corresponds with rewriting the domain. I just want all mail to be qualified as domain.tld |
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| 15:56.35 | wols | SNow: /msg dpkg etch sources.list make sure your etch is up to date and apt-get has no more conflicts. then upgrade to lenny. and never ever put "stable" or "testing" in sources.list. only the actual release names |
| 15:57.15 | SNow | wols, yeah, I am doing that, I am getting an error of release file has epired |
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| 15:57.25 | valdyn__ | blink_: look at the manpage, this only sets the rewrite of From: |
| 15:57.34 | SNow | wols I know about stable or testing, it's the old admin ... |
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| 15:58.01 | SNow | Ok, etch is up to date, doing upgrade to lenny |
| 15:58.37 | wols | I suggest you follow the factoid dpkg sent you if you want to avoid grief |
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| 16:00.01 | SuperNull | i just used it .. it worked flawlessly even with some gay apt-get errors (nothing important tho, just PHP being a bitch to install) |
| 16:00.43 | blink_ | I looked at the manpage, but should I be looking at update-exim4.conf man or exim4 proper? |
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| 16:00.57 | SNow | wols what's that? :) |
| 16:01.06 | SNow | I am doing as dpkg told me |
| 16:01.15 | SNow | step by step |
| 16:01.41 | SNow | http://p.defau.lt/?_a8eZ2uoSa1GqoW_aCVXVg |
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| 16:02.28 | blink_ | I had domain.tld as a relay domain, removed it and it's working. |
| 16:02.39 | wols | SNow: have you looked into your logfiles? |
| 16:02.59 | SNow | dpkg.log? |
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| 16:03.24 | wols | either |
| 16:03.26 | valdyn__ | blink_: your qualify_domain equals the contents of /etc/mailname. Its required to restart exim4 to take new settings ( maybe reload is also enough ) |
| 16:04.21 | valdyn__ | blink_: and the manpage sais that dc_readhost only works for smarthost or satelite systems, i do not entirely understand the implications of that |
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| 16:05.39 | wols | SNow: you have checked your libz package btw? |
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| 16:08.15 | blink_ | valdyn__: I am of type satelite in the config. I think I caused my own problem, and then unbroke it. |
| 16:08.33 | blink_ | but thank you for your help ppls |
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| 16:19.37 | zizanie | nice, no registration needed:P |
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| 16:42.23 | kaneda^ | what kind of IDS does everyone here use fro debian? |
| 16:42.40 | tomodachi | kaneda^: what? |
| 16:42.47 | kaneda^ | intrusion detection |
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| 16:43.33 | tomodachi | kaneda^: i dont use any , but a few years ago I used tripwire |
| 16:44.11 | kaneda^ | OK, i'm using denyhosts just to prevent intrusion and snort for network intrusion detection |
| 16:44.22 | kaneda^ | but not much more than that aside from the usual hardening |
| 16:44.34 | SNow | wols: I have serious problem |
| 16:45.12 | SNow | http://p.defau.lt/?PmpczNt53gORz8q91KezbQ |
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| 16:47.08 | tomodachi | kaneda^: why not just start by disabling root login, then also password auth and then use keybased auth |
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| 16:47.33 | tomodachi | kaneda^: then anyone wold need to brute force both the username, and your very very long keybased password |
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| 16:48.43 | twobitsprite | how do I get a 2.6 pae kernel in wheezy? There is a package for it, but it's a virtual package and it just installs the vanila 2.6 kernel... |
| 16:48.48 | SNow | who can help me? :) |
| 16:48.56 | kaneda^ | tomodachi: root login is disabled, but denyhosts stops the skiddies |
| 16:48.58 | twobitsprite | (also, I know 3.0 is in wheezy, but there aren't vbox kernel modules for that yet |
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| 16:54.07 | SuperNull | wtf. locate isnt installed by default after upgrade?! thats madness. |
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| 16:54.43 | jelly | SuperNull: madness? This is... squeeze |
| 16:54.52 | themill | !mlocate |
| 16:54.52 | dpkg | mlocate (where m == "merging") is locate/updatedb implementation, a replacement for the <locate> and <slocate> tools from lenny onwards. mlocate is clever in that it remembers timestamps on directories so it doesn't need to rebuild the entire database each day. See http://packages.debian.org/mlocate for more information. http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/blog/mlocate |
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| 16:55.33 | SuperNull | heh. |
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| 16:55.59 | jelly | mlocate is also less clever in that it uses the same config file but with syntax reduced a lot |
| 16:56.53 | SuperNull | but but .. it worked.. :-) was trying to find my mysql sock file. alas.. the directory it was supposed to be in doesn't exist. |
| 16:57.24 | themill | SuperNull: upgrading to squeeze with mysql? /msg dpkg squeeze mysql |
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| 16:58.08 | SuperNull | dpkg has some insightful info .. i love him. |
| 16:58.08 | dpkg | SuperNull: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:58.10 | SuperNull | pets dpkg |
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| 16:59.16 | SuperNull | hurm. |
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| 17:02.04 | SNow | who can help me? |
| 17:02.17 | kaneda^ | SNow: help you with what? |
| 17:02.23 | kaneda^ | can you condense whatever it is you need into a question? |
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| 17:06.31 | wols | ,versions util-linux |
| 17:06.34 | judd | Package: util-linux on i386 -- lenny: 2.13.1.1-1; squeeze: 2.17.2-9; sid: 2.19.1-5; wheezy: 2.19.1-5 |
| 17:06.53 | SuperNull | mmm i like that too |
| 17:07.06 | wols | SNow: look at the first error in your paste |
| 17:07.10 | tomodachi | kaneda^: another way is also limiting the amount of new connections over tcp to port 22 (this is fairly easily done with iptables, so lets say you only allow 5connections per minute) |
| 17:07.25 | wols | and then check why this file is missing |
| 17:08.12 | kaneda^ | tomodachi: denyhosts is much more flexible, i prefer # of passwords attempted |
| 17:08.24 | kaneda^ | tomodachi: and you can make it any amount of time in between unbanning |
| 17:08.25 | ikonia | !ops eva pm spamming sex links on join |
| 17:08.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ikonia complains about: eva pm spamming sex links on join |
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| 17:10.50 | themill | thanks, ikonia |
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| 17:11.38 | peterS | fwiw eva didn't spam me when I cycled. maybe it's smarter than to spam people who cycle |
| 17:11.43 | tuvwx | why isn't this package migrated to testing already: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mercurial.html ? |
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| 17:12.30 | peterS | !why is mercurial not in testing |
| 17:12.30 | dpkg | mercurial is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mercurial |
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| 17:15.04 | tuvwx | peterS: 1) mercurial is already in testing. an upgrade is a valid candidate, but not there yet. 2) the second reason on that page is: "makes 3 depending packages uninstallable" - yet all three packages are marked "waiting for mercurial" |
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| 17:16.21 | peterS | tuvwx: yes I know it is already in testing. that web page still answers your question |
| 17:16.43 | themill | tuvwx: hgsubversion is not a valid candidate |
| 17:17.15 | peterS | tuvwx: it may be that you've got a circular testing migration situation, which needs to be forced manually by a release manager. These things happen all the time, and the RMs have tools to look for them. |
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| 17:18.05 | peterS | tuvwx: why does a circular migration dependency situation have to be resolved manually? because it's really expensive, computationally, to detect and resolve them automatically, so the manual method was chosen at some point |
| 17:18.42 | tuvwx | peterS: ah.. thanks for the explanation |
| 17:19.01 | themill | and in this particular case, "hgsubversion is only 3 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in." so it's not ready to migrate yet. |
| 17:19.39 | peterS | right, so if you wanted to force all those packages into testing now, you'd have to override the 'hgsubversion too young' situation manually even if the loop would otherwise be done automatically |
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| 17:19.53 | tuvwx | themill: why isn't this information available on the qa package page. it should be under "excuses" |
| 17:20.13 | themill | it is http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hgsubversion.html |
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| 17:20.47 | tuvwx | themill: no. if hgsubversion is holding mercurial back, then it should be listed as a migration excuse for mercurial |
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| 17:22.24 | peterS | tuvwx: if you click the 'hgsubversion' link on the http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mercurial page, it's there. whoever wrote the excuses parser just didn't choose to paste that particular case across packages |
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| 17:22.39 | themill | it's two clicks away from that page -- I don't know that the pts can really work out that information on its own to display it, but you're welcome to try -- its svn repo is given at the bottom of the page. |
| 17:22.47 | SNow | Hi guys, what can I do, I have lenny and I have this problem: http://p.defau.lt/?z1s53Di6m_Ke_5i8NewojA |
| 17:22.50 | peterS | because what's detected there isn't "this depends on that" but "this breaks the old version of that", and they don't always mean the same thing |
| 17:22.53 | SNow | how can I fix this? |
| 17:23.14 | wols | SNow: by installing what it complains about. the question of coures is: why is it missing? |
| 17:23.21 | tuvwx | themill: i know it is reachable. i got to it eventually. but it's misleading to see no excuses and yet no migration |
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| 17:23.41 | peterS | tuvwx: you should read, or re-read, explanation "1." at the bottom of the excuses output |
| 17:23.47 | themill | SNow: do you have util-linux installed? |
| 17:24.19 | SNow | util-linux - no. |
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| 17:24.26 | themill | tuvwx: sure. The tools can always do with improving. The QA team are very welcoming to new volunteers. |
| 17:24.31 | SNow | Installed, and worked, great! |
| 17:24.48 | peterS | tuvwx: if the software knew it should paste the hgsubversion output into the mercurial excuse page, that is equivalent to knowing that it is a circular migration. If the software knew _that_, we wouldn't have the manual hinting situation. |
| 17:25.35 | themill | SNow: util-linux is an Essential package. It's a bit weird not to have it. You might like to: aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant ~E |
| 17:25.43 | peterS | tuvwx: as I understand it, getting the software to recognise the circular dependency situation is not difficult, it would just be really computationally expensive. if you can come up with a way to do it that is not computationally expensive, as themill notes, the source code is available and I'm sure the release team will accept patches |
| 17:26.23 | tuvwx | peterS: got it |
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| 17:27.52 | SNow | themill: I now have a problem with apache: http://p.defau.lt/?v57f2EdVfRPkrFc_35VKag |
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| 17:28.36 | dreamer | anyone have experience enabling spdif out for alsa? |
| 17:28.44 | themill | SNow: I don't want to know why you have random libraries in /usr/local and what you're trying to do. |
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| 17:29.13 | dreamer | trying 'mplayer -ao alsa:device=spdif <some>.mp3' doesn't work |
| 17:29.20 | dreamer | mplayer just plays, but I don't hear anything |
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| 17:30.15 | MrMind | ssh only use tcp? not udp, am right? |
| 17:31.11 | kaneda^ | yes |
| 17:31.19 | kaneda^ | anything that doesnt involve flinging packets liberally uses tcp |
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| 17:31.42 | MrMind | kaneda^: okay, thanks |
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| 17:32.55 | kaneda^ | MrMind: http://compnetworking.about.com/od/tcpip/l/blports_gl10.htm |
| 17:33.41 | MrMind | kaneda^: oh, really nice site, bookmarked! |
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| 17:39.03 | cardamon | Hey...soooooo...I moved all my packages to wheezy and I think I broke a permission somewhere because now I can SEE networks but NetworkManger won't respond to my attempts to log in and occasionally throws me a "You don't have the right privelages to do this." Also, $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "TheNetworkIWant" is returning no results. I don't know enough to know where to look. |
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| 17:40.17 | twobitsprite | anyone have any idea how to get a PAE 2.6 kernel in wheezy? I know about 3.0, but there aren't vbox drivers for that |
| 17:40.38 | twobitsprite | there's a PAE package, but it's a virtual package that doesn't seem to install a PAE kernel |
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| 17:45.13 | babilen | twobitsprite: What is wrong with linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae ? |
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| 17:45.30 | giwe | Say I have an embedded system. Can I just install dpkg, and a few packages on it? |
| 17:45.50 | babilen | twobitsprite: Or rather: What prevents your from using virtualbox? |
| 17:45.56 | wols | giwe: no |
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| 17:46.19 | giwe | wols: any suggestions for the desired task? |
| 17:46.33 | babilen | !emdebian |
| 17:46.33 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:46.34 | wols | twobitsprite: you cannot compile the modules manually? |
| 17:46.51 | sisif | Hello guys. Does any one here has any idea if / how I can use usb power management to power off / on an usb device using a console command / bash script ? |
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| 17:47.31 | wols | giwe: what dpkg needs to do its work needs actually many many different programs. dpkg, debconf, perl, to name a few |
| 17:48.17 | babilen | twobitsprite: Is virtualbox-dkms not working? What errors do you get when you try to install virtualbox? How do you install it? |
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| 17:49.27 | giwe | wols: so manually unpacking the packages and then copying them to the embedded rootfs could work instead. |
| 17:49.52 | wols | giwe: yes. dpkg --extract or use ar to extract them |
| 17:50.10 | giwe | wols: thanks |
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| 17:55.30 | cardamon_ | I moved from squeeze to wheezy, then one reboot later NetworkManager and iwconfig aren't connecting to the networks. Attempts to add networks in NetworkManager tells me I don't have the right privelages even though my user is in the groups sudo and netdev. $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "network" is also not working. |
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| 17:56.33 | sigg3 | #debian-offtopic |
| 17:56.46 | sigg3 | :) |
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| 17:58.01 | wols | cardamon_: start the network manager gui with gksu or gksudo |
| 17:58.27 | wols | and your iwconfig command only works for non-encrypted APs |
| 17:58.40 | cardamon_ | wols: It's an open AP. |
| 17:59.10 | sigg3 | Just popping in to say THANK YOU for a great distribution! I'm a regular slacker but has recently found Debian a nice and stable alternative. Pat yourselves on the back, cheers! |
| 17:59.19 | wols | cardamon_: then check your kernel output |
| 17:59.44 | cardamon_ | wols: And NetworkManager will not let a non-root permission user run it anyway. |
| 18:01.04 | wols | shows how much I use nm I guess |
| 18:01.28 | cardamon_ | wols: What output? dmesg? |
| 18:02.04 | babilen | cardamon_: nm-applet does however, which is probably what we are talking about here |
| 18:02.08 | tharkun | cardamon_: what pciid has your nick? |
| 18:02.36 | cardamon_ | Even when it can't connect to an open network due to DNS or whatever reasons, NetworkManger would previously try connecting. Right now when I pull one up in it an click on it it just sits there like I did nothing at all. |
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| 18:02.52 | babilen | cardamon_: "iwconfig wlan0" would be interesting as well as your dmesg output when you try to connect. Do you see networks when you run "iwlist wlan0 scan" ? Which chipset is used in your wireless adaptor? |
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| 18:03.56 | cardamon_ | babilen: iwconfig tells me the ESSID:off/any, Mode's managed, AP is not associated, Tx-Power=20dBm...etc |
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| 18:04.42 | babilen | cardamon_: Ah, you don't have network access on the box in question? |
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| 18:04.52 | cardamon_ | babilen: and no change in dmesg from before and after an attempt to connect. |
| 18:05.07 | babilen | cardamon_: syslog? chipset? |
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| 18:05.42 | cardamon_ | I think it's NetworkManager trying to do something and finding it doesn't have the right permission, which is crazy because it's running from root. |
| 18:05.42 | sisif | Does anyone knows how to match an USB device listed in "lsusb" to /sys/dev/usb/devices ? |
| 18:06.15 | cardamon_ | babilen: Never set one up. And don't know. It's a little Eee PC. |
| 18:07.03 | babilen | cardamon_: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
| 18:07.30 | cardamon_ | We're in "It was working...then I accidentally the whole thing" territory. I moved from Squeeze to Wheezy with a brief stopover in Sid do to a mistaken sources.list |
| 18:08.26 | cardamon_ | babilen: Atheros AR242x/AR542x |
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| 18:08.51 | babilen | stopover? How did you revert? What is the output of the command given in "/msg dpkg not available" |
| 18:09.02 | babilen | cardamon_: Do you have network access on the box in question? |
| 18:09.07 | cardamon_ | No. |
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| 18:10.49 | cardamon_ | No ether cables available to try and NetworkManager is being weird about ANY connection. Like I cannot delete the unused Wired connection 1. Even after I killed it and a relaunched it with gksudo just to be sure. |
| 18:11.07 | babilen | That makes debugging a bit harder. It would be interesting to see what happens if you try to connect manually. Please stop network-manager and try to connect manually. "ip link set wlan0 up ; iwconfig wlan0 essid YourESSID ; iwconfig wlan0" |
| 18:11.37 | cardamon_ | It says "Connection Delete Failed: Insufficient privileges" in a popup when I try. |
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| 18:12.29 | babilen | cardamon_: This is from within nm-applet started in your user's session? |
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| 18:12.52 | babilen | cardamon_: And by "disable network-manager" I mean running "service network-manager stop" |
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| 18:13.17 | cardamon_ | babilen: Oh...well I just killall -15 NetworkManager |
| 18:13.18 | wuffi600 | what was the name of the package that offers tool to define services and their runlevels? |
| 18:13.33 | babilen | cardamon_: *sigh* |
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| 18:14.03 | wuffi600 | "initadmin" or "system5edit" or something i can not remember |
| 18:14.05 | cardamon_ | babilen: Well I did my killall -15, then the rest of the stuff you said, and that does get me associated. |
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| 18:14.49 | babilen | cardamon_: Wonderful -- So it is a network-manager related problem. |
| 18:15.02 | cardamon_ | babilen: Yes and no. |
| 18:15.44 | cardamon_ | babilen: I'm now connected to the campus network I was trying to get on the whole time...however, it's got a web portal to login and authorize for any further activity...and it's not coming up. |
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| 18:16.27 | babilen | cardamon_: Well, you probably need to acquire an address via dhcp. Run "dhclient -v wlan0" to issue a DHCP request. |
| 18:16.39 | kaneda^ | is there a way of getting a list of other users' environment variables? |
| 18:16.54 | cardamon_ | babilen: should I sudo it? |
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| 18:17.05 | cardamon_ | babilen: The answer to that is yes |
| 18:17.07 | babilen | cardamon_: Why are you running nm-applet as root? Is this from within your normal user's session? |
| 18:17.07 | cardamon_ | :P |
| 18:17.20 | cardamon_ | babilen: I am not. never ran it. |
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| 18:17.48 | cardamon_ | it runs automatically. |
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| 18:18.28 | cardamon_ | babilen: No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 18:18.43 | babilen | cardamon_: In your user's session? (gnome?) -- I would also encourage you to elaborate a bit more on the "stopover in sid" fuckup and paste the output of "/msg dpkg not available". |
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| 18:18.58 | cardamon_ | babilen: Openbox actually. |
| 18:19.10 | cardamon_ | No gnome. |
| 18:20.06 | babilen | cardamon_: Do you know how the network connection has to be configured? You are associated aren't you? (check with "iwconfig wlan0") |
| 18:20.16 | cardamon_ | it's #!, which is Debian with gnome gutted and Openbox and tint2 shoved into the hollow cavity. |
| 18:20.39 | cardamon_ | babilen: Yes it's associated, and no, I do not know. |
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| 18:20.51 | babilen | cardamon_: And you ran "service network-manager stop" didn't you? Are other dhclient processes running? Is the interface configured already? (ifconfig wlan0) |
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| 18:21.15 | babilen | cardamon_: You are running Crunchbang? |
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| 18:21.58 | cardamon_ | babilen: killing it apparently stopped it. service network-manager stop confirms that. |
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| 18:22.19 | cardamon_ | babilen: yes. |
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| 18:22.42 | babilen | cardamon_: You are wrong here in that case. Please ask for support in #crunchbang |
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| 18:23.00 | cardamon_ | They came up short. |
| 18:23.23 | cardamon_ | Finally! |
| 18:23.40 | cardamon_ | I got a DHCP entry. |
| 18:23.47 | babilen | cardamon_: Crunchbang is still not supported here. Install Debian and come back. (here for squeeze and #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid) |
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| 18:24.21 | cardamon_ | Regardless, you helped. |
| 18:25.24 | babilen | unintentionally -- Please respect our decision to only support Debian users in here. We *can* and *will* not support every based-on-Debian distribution on this planet. So, lets drop it and may you have a nice day. |
| 18:26.13 | cardamon_ | It's the same thing, they just gutted Gnome. |
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| 18:28.06 | babilen | cardamon_: It is not, drop it. |
| 18:28.16 | babilen | !tell cardamon_ about based on debian |
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| 18:49.41 | robos | hello: If I do an iostat -x -n I see ops/s at 153, r/ops at 35 and 0 w/ops. How can there be 153 ops/s when read ops + write ops is only 35? |
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| 19:01.59 | ben__ | Does anyone here use Audacious Media Player? |
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| 19:02.49 | babilen | ben__: probably -- Please ask your real question |
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| 19:03.45 | ben__ | I'm using Audacious Media Player and I was trying to make it more minimal and now I can't get the menu bar back. How do I get it back? |
| 19:03.56 | ben__ | There's nothing in the right clicking menu that brings it back. |
| 19:04.23 | ben__ | I tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it hoping it would be like it was when I first installed and it was just like I left it. |
| 19:05.10 | ben__ | How do I either A) restore the menu bar on it? B) reset all its settings to the standards it came with. Is there some sort of preferences file I can delete? |
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| 19:05.13 | babilen | ben__: You probably have a ~/.audacious or ~/.config/audacious directory somewhere in which your settings are saved. You could move that somewhere else to cause audacious to revert to its defaults. |
| 19:05.35 | ben__ | babilen: Thank you! Let me look |
| 19:06.04 | babilen | ben__: I am not sure about the exact path though -- Those are just educated guesses. |
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| 19:06.36 | CyON | Hai !! all ,how to change the music theme in ubuntu 11.10 ? |
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| 19:06.50 | oznt | hi guys, i need help understanding how to use the gconf-2 command to set up a list of values |
| 19:07.03 | ben__ | babilen: Can't find either of those. How to I browse that area either through the terminal or through thunar (i'm using xfce)? |
| 19:07.05 | oznt | does someone here understands gconf |
| 19:07.25 | babilen | CyON: Please ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:08.01 | CyON | ok ..thanks for u r help |
| 19:08.48 | babilen | oznt: You might find gconf-editor to be easier to use than gconf-2 -- Read "man gconftool-2" for a short overview of its cli interface. |
| 19:09.04 | ben__ | OK I'm in the home directory, how do I get there? |
| 19:09.31 | babilen | ben__: Where exactly? |
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| 19:09.37 | oznt | babilen, thanks i've read the man page. totally unclear ... and gconf-editor can't be scripted |
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| 19:09.58 | ben__ | babilen: How do I get to where I could see config files like that? I am VERY new to this operating system. |
| 19:10.33 | frikinz | Any idea what this means: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig " when doing glxinfo? |
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| 19:11.08 | nvz | ben__ the config files global are in /etc and local are in your homedir |
| 19:11.22 | nvz | read the fhs if you are new... |
| 19:11.32 | babilen | ben__: Those configuration files are typically hidden in most filemanagers. (i.e. all so-called dot-files) -- If you are using nautilus (the default Gnome filemanager) you can right-click into the window and select "show hidden files" -- You could also do this within a terminal. |
| 19:11.54 | babilen | !tell ben__ about grounding |
| 19:12.01 | babilen | !tell ben__ -about general cli tutorial |
| 19:12.06 | babilen | !tell ben__ -about reference |
| 19:12.18 | ben__ | I dont' know what that "tell" means. |
| 19:12.28 | babilen | ben__: Those documents should serve as a good introduction to Debian and Linux in general |
| 19:12.43 | babilen | ben__: You should have received private messages from our bot dpkg |
| 19:12.43 | nvz | actually in nautilus its view menu... the right clic doesnt show that..only in the gtk file selector do you see that in right click menu |
| 19:13.03 | babilen | nvz: Ah, thank you for the correction. |
| 19:13.12 | babilen | ben__: Note nvz' remark |
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| 19:13.26 | ben__ | I am not using gnome. I'm using xfce. |
| 19:13.51 | nvz | i need to disable my right ctrl key and i dont understand xmodmap..heh |
| 19:14.13 | ben__ | babilen: I'm sorry, I'm not using gnome. I'm using xfce. I'll take a look though., I didn't think it would be this rough to undo such a stupid simple mistake |
| 19:14.21 | nvz | not sure if i can even map ctrl keys individually like that |
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| 19:15.22 | nvz | but my netbook had a non functional ctrl on the right now its randomly stuck without even touching the keyboard... which effects even pluggin a keyboard in |
| 19:15.51 | babilen | ben__: It typically is not -- But I do not know how to do this from within audacious, which is why I suggested a general way. Could you open a terminal and run "ls -la ~ ~/.config" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 19:16.15 | nvz | if i could unmap it..thatd solve my issue for now without having to remove my keyboard to use an external |
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| 19:16.25 | ben__ | babilen: OK I'll do that. thanks so much! |
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| 19:18.33 | ben__ | babilen: I ran that and it found a list of .conf 's for different programs I think. It lists them with different levels of access, I think. One is for "audacious." This is a good sign right? |
| 19:19.02 | nvz | oh well i suppose i had better learn to use xmodmap today.. and perhaps revisit openvpn and learn to setup certs..cause im getting beyond what i can do with shared keys p2p |
| 19:19.19 | babilen | ben__: Those are different directories -- So you have a ~/.config/audacious directory? (~ is short for your user's home directory) |
| 19:20.15 | oznt | can someone here help me confirm this is a bug ? http://paste.debian.net/132476/ |
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| 19:21.25 | ben__ | babilen: so this file is in the directory that is called ".config" right? How do I access that? it's invisible in the terminal and in thunar? |
| 19:21.51 | babilen | ben__: If that is indeed the case run "mv ~/.config/audacious{,_old}" which will move the directory that contains audacious' configuration files to ~/.config/audacious_old -- Once you have done that you should be able to start audacious and it should revert to using its defaults. |
| 19:22.21 | oznt | hi guys, can some one help me confirm this is a bug ? http://paste.debian.net/132476/ |
| 19:22.21 | ben__ | babilen: I FOUND IT in thunar! Would it be too risky to delete this file? |
| 19:22.30 | ben__ | babilen: I mean this directory? |
| 19:22.33 | babilen | ben__: You can go into that directory with "cd ~/.config/" -- But please just try to rename the directory with the command I just gave you. |
| 19:22.42 | babilen | ben__: You can also delete it |
| 19:23.53 | Bushmills | babilen: creative use of brace expansion |
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| 19:24.40 | ben__ | babilen: OK I'm gonna try to restart and see if it makes a difference. Thanks so much! |
| 19:24.42 | babilen | Bushmills: That one is already hard-wired in my finger memory ;) |
| 19:24.50 | Bushmills | i like that one |
| 19:25.05 | babilen | ben__: Restart audicious I hope? (i.e. not the computer) |
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| 19:25.41 | ben__ | babilen: i tried just reopening audacious. it still looked the same. I redeleted it. I'll just restart and brb |
| 19:26.10 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 19:28.24 | frequenzman | gentoo ist scheisse? |
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| 19:29.01 | babilen | frequenzman: Please play somewhere else. |
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| 19:29.48 | frequenzman | im not amused about you |
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| 19:30.15 | ben__ | bebian: It worked! |
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| 19:30.53 | sphenxes | i use rsync to back up my files. however sometimes rsync is very slow and go through all the files (already backed up) till it start backing up new files. what is the option that i use to stop rsync going through all backed up file. i use : rsync -rvh --size-only dir dri01. any suggetions please |
| 19:31.05 | babilen | frequenzman: Please try to stay on-topic, help users who need help or ask specific question if you have a problem with Debian. Stay quiet if you do not. Thank you! |
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| 19:31.42 | ben__ | babilen: It worked! |
| 19:31.51 | ben__ | babilen: Thank you so much!!! |
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| 19:32.15 | babilen | ben__: Great! I hope that you did not reboot though -- I would strongly recommend to read: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/ http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ (Debian reference) |
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| 19:33.18 | frequenzman | babilen: What you mean on stay topic? |
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| 19:33.45 | ben__ | babilen: I deleted the configurations, used aptitude to remove audacious, restarted, then reinstalled from aptitude. :P too crazy I'm sure. |
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| 19:34.21 | ben__ | babilen: I'm going to bookmark those links though, i'm sure they will be of great help for me, learning this system. thank you so much, again! |
| 19:35.17 | babilen | ben__: Just come here if you have questions in the future -- Some reading is inevitable though. I hope that you enjoy Debian and its community. |
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| 19:36.09 | ben__ | babilen: I am enjoying it, a lot because of the community. I'm finding so many helpful people on the debian channel whenever I have problems. Again, thanks! |
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| 19:38.39 | babilen | frequenzman: The topic of this channel is technical support for Debian users. |
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| 19:40.59 | pbase | I tried playing youtube on chromium with Gnash 0.8.10dev. it plays fine. but I don't see an nimimum resolution option in it (240p).. How do I add that option? |
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| 19:50.36 | zykotick9 | pbase, it's most likely video dependent. Do you see the option to change resolutions, where do you see 240p? Try a different video to see if it has other resolutions available. |
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| 19:51.14 | pbase | zykotick9: I also installed the adobe flash library.. it gives me that option for all vidos |
| 19:51.16 | pbase | videos |
| 19:51.56 | gnarface | so i need to build some deb binary packages from source tar.gz files |
| 19:52.04 | gnarface | typically i've done this with the checkinstall script |
| 19:52.11 | gnarface | its sufficient for basic default builds |
| 19:52.16 | gnarface | but i want to know how to do it *right* |
| 19:52.19 | pbase | its not site dependent.. they offer low resolution for all videos. vice versa doesn't happen |
| 19:52.30 | gnarface | so where would i go to learn to build debs by hand? |
| 19:52.53 | gnarface | or at least learn a tool to build debs that doesn't mask control |
| 19:53.06 | pbase | gnarface: I had searched it sometime back on google and found goof tutorials on it.. can't rememebr now |
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| 19:53.16 | pbase | good |
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| 19:53.34 | fractal_mandala | hello |
| 19:53.41 | fractal_mandala | i need help with alsa |
| 19:54.05 | fractal_mandala | just alsa won't work |
| 19:54.20 | pbase | fractal_mandala: what kernel? |
| 19:54.45 | fractal_mandala | o just sec |
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| 19:55.39 | fractal_mandala | 2.6.32-5 |
| 19:55.40 | cantido | gnarface: debian new maintainer page |
| 19:56.06 | fractal_mandala | amd64 |
| 19:56.13 | pbase | mysql website is hacked and is supplied some malware |
| 19:56.23 | pbase | supplying* |
| 19:56.28 | fractal_mandala | i was installed alsa-utils and alsa-base |
| 19:56.28 | gnarface | cantido: thanks, i've been meaning to read it, i guess this is my excuse |
| 19:56.32 | frequenzman | im not amused about you |
| 19:56.44 | frequenzman | never chose gentoo! |
| 19:56.48 | frequenzman | never chose gentoo! |
| 19:56.49 | frequenzman | never chose gentoo! |
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| 19:56.51 | dimir | I second that. |
| 19:56.54 | dimir | :-D |
| 19:57.31 | pbase | fractal_mandala: are you using new hardware? |
| 19:57.40 | fractal_mandala | that is vps server |
| 19:57.58 | fractal_mandala | in vmware |
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| 19:58.22 | fractal_mandala | i was bought that from giga international |
| 19:58.25 | pbase | sorry I have no knowledge about them but I suppose the newer kernels have good support for it |
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| 19:58.48 | pbase | maybe you can try lscpi -mm |
| 19:59.14 | pbase | and ger the audio controller and find the appropriate module in the kernel for it |
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| 19:59.43 | fractal_mandala | i can paste this on your pvt |
| 19:59.52 | fractal_mandala | i don't wish spam |
| 20:00.14 | babilen | fractal_mandala: You can paste to http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:01.18 | fractal_mandala | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/50368783/ |
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| 20:02.23 | aminpy | how can I install wireless for macbook pro 8.3? |
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| 20:02.52 | aminpy | can anybody help me (give me links or ... about it) |
| 20:02.56 | aminpy | ? |
| 20:03.17 | fractal_mandala | btw that is my first expirience with debian |
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| 20:04.09 | gnarface | hoooly shit |
| 20:04.16 | babilen | aminpy: What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
| 20:04.17 | gnarface | the infamous 440BX |
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| 20:04.27 | babilen | gnarface: where? |
| 20:04.35 | pbase | fractal_mandala: your audio controller doesn't seem to be recognzed... |
| 20:04.37 | gnarface | babilen: in fractal_mandala's paste |
| 20:04.37 | aminpy | babilen, Broadcom Corporation Device 4331 (rev 02) |
| 20:04.40 | babilen | oh ... fractal_mandala \o/ |
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| 20:04.55 | fractal_mandala | but when i tell alsamixer |
| 20:05.01 | babilen | aminpy: That is not the complete output ;) |
| 20:05.05 | fractal_mandala | he tell me no such file or directory |
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| 20:05.21 | gnarface | babilen: oh maybe its just what the virtual machine is faking |
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| 20:05.28 | babilen | !tell aminpy about bcm4331 |
| 20:05.33 | gnarface | fractal_mandala: you said that was a virtual machine/ |
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| 20:05.40 | gnarface | ? |
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| 20:05.51 | gnarface | fractal_mandala: a vps i mean? |
| 20:06.11 | fractal_mandala | yes |
| 20:06.43 | babilen | aminpy: Those links should give you something to read -- Doesn't exactly look good. You might want to buy a hardware platform that is better supported |
| 20:07.27 | gnarface | fractal_mandala: are you sure it even has virtual audio hardware? direct access to things like video cards, audio cards and clock chip hardware are often the types of things that are blocked in a vps specifically due to the security risks involved |
| 20:07.49 | fractal_mandala | i don't know |
| 20:08.04 | fractal_mandala | that is vps i was bought from giga international |
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| 20:08.11 | pbase | fractal_mandala: canu hear audio on the host os ? |
| 20:08.22 | fractal_mandala | no |
| 20:08.31 | fractal_mandala | i cant run alsamixer |
| 20:08.40 | fractal_mandala | he tell me no such file or directory |
| 20:08.57 | pbase | how many operting system you have on it |
| 20:09.04 | fractal_mandala | 1 |
| 20:09.08 | fractal_mandala | just debian |
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| 20:14.26 | darkelfjuggalo | Ok I recently upgraded from Etch to Lenny...[almost immediately after a fresh Etch install] I want to upgrade to squeeze, but i do not think my '06 Dell will be able to handle it...So I want to get some software up to speed to make my Browsers display properly... such as Java, Flash and if possible, Shockwave, can someone tell me how to do this? |
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| 20:16.02 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: java, flash and shockwave may not be able to handle lenny |
| 20:16.22 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: what is your hardware? |
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| 20:17.57 | darkelfjuggalo | Im not sure my hardware... as I said it's a 2006 Dell Inspiron b130 with the default hardware |
| 20:18.24 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: i'm running squeeze on computers i built in the 90's man. |
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| 20:19.00 | jaakkos | i'm running squeeze with Linux 3.1-rc6 on http://bifferos.co.uk/ |
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| 20:19.59 | gnarface | darkelfjuggalo: just make sure you have *some* swap for big apt-get/aptitude pulls, especially if you are installing from scratch |
| 20:20.18 | darkelfjuggalo | ok, give me a moment I am switching to a better Computer, then I want to try to upgrade to Squeeze on the Laptop I have Lenny on |
| 20:20.34 | leino | quick question: I'm getting errors when using aptitude: "no space left on device". Is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 20:21.11 | leino | (/var is indeed 100% full) |
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| 20:21.23 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok switched |
| 20:21.42 | MrFrood | leino: no |
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| 20:22.00 | gnarface | leino: apt-cache clean |
| 20:22.16 | leino | ok, I'll give it a try |
| 20:22.18 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I need the Source for squeeze |
| 20:22.28 | MrFrood | gnarface: ta, I was just looking the command up |
| 20:22.29 | gnarface | leino: sorry i lied its apt-get clean |
| 20:22.47 | gnarface | MrFrood: i looked it up after |
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| 20:23.39 | leino | gnarface: thanks, my var is less occupied now, and /var/cache/apt/archives is virtually empty |
| 20:23.51 | leino | MRFrood: thanks to you as well |
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| 20:24.07 | MrFrood | np |
| 20:24.37 | gnarface | leino: by default it piles up as many of them as it can, to save bandwidth in the event that you wish to at some point re-install a package from scratch, for example |
| 20:25.04 | leino | gnarface: I figured... I should have made var more than 1G |
| 20:25.53 | leino | anyways: thanks again, gonna move back up the stack now :) |
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| 20:26.26 | gnarface | leino: yes, although i find that 5G is usually sufficient for /var unless you are running a virtualized host or webserver |
| 20:26.42 | gnarface | leino: take it easy |
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| 20:27.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | can someone give me the source for Squeeze to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze? |
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| 20:28.51 | MrFrood | Darkelfjuggalo1: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:30.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | dpkg never gives me a straight enough answer... I am a n00b to linux ingeneral, the documentation confused the fuck out of me, that's why I'm asking people |
| 20:30.35 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Darkelfjuggalo1 |
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| 20:31.13 | MrFrood | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:32.48 | MrFrood | Darkelfjuggalo1: dpkg is pretty clear on this |
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| 20:33.45 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok well i can't Edit my sources...at least not the way I did in Etch... |
| 20:33.51 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: i assume what its saying is that you have to use an archive for your lenny source, cause its too fucking old now. once you've got lenny upgraded fully, then you can switch in your squeeze source. also, you should probably read the installation manual/release notes (they're the same doc now right guys?) |
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| 20:34.30 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i didn't need an archive for lenny... |
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| 20:34.41 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: if you've installed some add-on software to manage your sources instead of using /etc/apt/sources.list you might have trouble |
| 20:34.56 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: you're not using the cd are you? |
| 20:35.21 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | idk how yo do anything except update and upgrade existing software using aptitude OR apt-get |
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| 20:35.39 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | no i am not |
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| 20:37.22 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: well why can't you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list directly then? might it just be that you forgot to switch to root? how did you do it before? |
| 20:37.41 | PerfDave | Darkelfjuggalo1: Have you read the Installation Notes for Squeeze which tell you how to upgrade from Lenny? |
| 20:38.08 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i am in root [i log in there directly], i just clicked to open the source document and some tabbed box popped up instead |
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| 20:39.15 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Software sources: [tab list] Debian Software, third party software , updates, authentication, statistics |
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| 20:39.41 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: sounds like your window manager changed or something in it changed |
| 20:40.00 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: i don't recognize the box you describe, so i don't use that window manager either |
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| 20:40.14 | babilen | gnarface: I guess it is synaptic |
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| 20:40.48 | gnarface | hmm |
| 20:40.50 | gnarface | !synaptic |
| 20:40.51 | dpkg | Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (and if you are using lenny then it behaves well with aptitude too). http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSynaptic . Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver. |
| 20:41.07 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Please edit your sources.list with an editor of your choice. -- Just out of curiosity: Wouldn't a new installation of squeeze be a sensible approach? |
| 20:41.09 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: ^^^^ try reading that |
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| 20:42.14 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Debian Software Tab: Downloadable from internet [check box] Officially supported(main) [check box] DFSG-compatible software with Non-Free Dependencies(contrib) [checkbox] Non-DFSG-compatible Software (non-free) [check box] Source Code Download from [Drop down Menu] Http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 20:43.01 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: where does it say squeeze? |
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| 20:43.57 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: As I said: Please open /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor of your choice. I would also strongly recommend to read and follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 20:44.30 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Babilen: Idk my editors... Linux is new to me. and upgrade is the only way i have [no money to buy discs and the DVDs i already have keep getting corrupted in the disc drive] |
| 20:44.49 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: The instructions are extensive and it is important that you follow them. If a particular step is unclear: Please tell us where you are and what is unclear about that particular step. |
| 20:45.13 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: open up a terminal and type: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:45.21 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | gnarface : I doesn't that drop down menu only has the listed address, Main Server, and Other... |
| 20:45.34 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Do you have an USB stick? Is this a local machine? |
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| 20:47.03 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: I just had the impression that a new installation of squeeze might be easier for you than an upgrade. I am not saying that you can not upgrade, but it is important that you follow the release notes. |
| 20:47.20 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | no I donot have a USB Flash Drive and what does Local Machine mean [im used to windows the only thinking i ever have to do is what cussword to use when my Virus protection fails] |
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| 20:48.14 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: local machine == a computer in front of you (as opposed to one you access remotely) |
| 20:48.15 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i am saying upgrade is the ONLY available option to me due to malfunctions with the other available computers and my lack of money |
| 20:48.17 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: if youre totally unfamiliar with this terminology its probably cheapest to pay someone to do this, unless you dont value your time at all |
| 20:48.34 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes it is next to the laptop i am talking to you on |
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| 20:49.19 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Valdyn: I have no income... no expendible income, no substantial income...no income at all |
| 20:49.24 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Wonderful -- So please start reading the release notes and come back once you've reached a step you do not understand. |
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| 20:49.47 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: then you can only learn this terminology, we cant walk you through that, read.. alot |
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| 20:50.08 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: feel free to ask very specific questions however |
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| 20:50.42 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: like what is "local machine" -> the computer youre sitting in front of or working on or trying to upgrade |
| 20:51.39 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | the terminology is why I never understand the documentation. I have the source list open in nano as instructed previously... |
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| 20:52.30 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: so ask us about words, thats not to hard |
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| 20:54.38 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: the file should have a very simple syntax |
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| 20:55.32 | lord_daemon | hi friends |
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| 20:55.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | syntax? |
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| 20:57.52 | valdyn__ | !dict syntax |
| 20:57.57 | valdyn__ | !test |
| 20:57.58 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 20:57.58 | dpkg | Dictionary 'syntax' (1 of 6): The structure of strings in some language. A language's syntax is described by a {grammar}. For example, the syntax of a binary number could be expressed as binary_number = bit [ binary_number ] bit = "0" | "1" meaning that a binary number is a bit optionally followed by a binary number and a bit is a literal zero or one digit. The meaning of the language is given by its {semantics}. See also {abstract syntax}, ... |
| 20:58.02 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: well you're really encouraged to read the man page for sources.list, but since i enjoy giving people enough rope to hang themselves with, here is one that you can just copy+paste: http://paste.debian.net/132495/ |
| 20:58.30 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: read what dpkg said, "/msg dpkg dist somewhord" to do this on your own |
| 20:58.42 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Please read the release notes! |
| 20:59.09 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | im trying to read the release notes, but I swear it's in an alien language |
| 20:59.26 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: if you want it to be more like ubuntu then you will want to add "contrib" and "non-free" after each instance of "main" in that file i pasted |
| 20:59.37 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: its written by and for people with a basic cs background. |
| 21:00.01 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | cs? |
| 21:00.13 | gnarface | computer science |
| 21:00.17 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: that doesnt mean you need to have that background, im sure theres kids who understand this perfectly fine |
| 21:00.48 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: don't worry the terminology is reusable |
| 21:00.58 | PerfDave | Meh, my girlfriend's education is in farm management, and she installed her own Debian :) |
| 21:01.17 | valdyn__ | PerfDave: but she did ask you if hitting enter was ok? |
| 21:01.23 | jaan0 | used to cow management then? |
| 21:01.32 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Is English not your native language? |
| 21:01.38 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I'm 23 i got kicked out of college before i got past programming a calculator... |
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| 21:02.01 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: programming a calculater has nothing to do with this fortunately |
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| 21:02.14 | gnarface | hah |
| 21:02.17 | gnarface | TI basic |
| 21:02.18 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Yes English is... technically...im from louisiana... |
| 21:02.19 | gnarface | what a hoot |
| 21:02.24 | elo | Hi, I want to link a library (libmath (math.h)) to a project using pkg-config. I can't find math.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig; what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:02.59 | valdyn__ | im not sure a .pc file exists for this |
| 21:03.18 | elo | valdyn__: hmm, how do I do this then? |
| 21:03.23 | valdyn__ | elo: the only linker flag needed is -lm |
| 21:03.28 | elo | valdyn__: yes |
| 21:03.37 | elo | valdyn__: should I specify that in the Makefile outside of the pkg-config rule? |
| 21:03.39 | elo | it sounds a bit ugly |
| 21:03.46 | gnarface | ~$ apt-file search math.pc |
| 21:03.46 | gnarface | r-mathlib: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libRmath.pc |
| 21:03.48 | elo | I expected pkg-config to somehow handle it itself. |
| 21:03.53 | valdyn__ | elo: its not different anywhere |
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| 21:04.13 | gnarface | valdyn__, elo: apt-file search math.pc ? |
| 21:04.14 | elo | valdyn__: you mean in other distros? |
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| 21:04.28 | valdyn__ | gnarface: i did a locate, but thats equivalent on this box |
| 21:04.36 | valdyn__ | elo: no, on any OS |
| 21:04.42 | gnarface | elo: do you have r-mathlib installed? |
| 21:04.43 | elo | valdyn__: I see. |
| 21:04.46 | elo | gnarface: no |
| 21:04.59 | elo | gnarface: I doubt it's related. |
| 21:05.03 | elo | gnarface: r-mathlib is for R. |
| 21:05.09 | valdyn__ | elo: anything thats got a standard libc, that should include windows |
| 21:05.21 | valdyn__ | elo: or your video recorder |
| 21:06.18 | elo | valdyn__: okay, so I shall create another variable for standard libc libraries that should be linked to in my Makefile |
| 21:06.29 | elo | and use pkg-config only for libraries that have a .pc (non-standard?) |
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| 21:06.55 | valdyn__ | elo: i dont know how this is supposed to be done with pkg-config, maybe m is included already.. |
| 21:07.04 | elo | valdyn__: it's not, unfortunately. |
| 21:08.09 | elo | Thank you very much, valdyn__. |
| 21:08.13 | elo | Thank you gnarface as well. |
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| 21:08.46 | action09 | hi all |
| 21:09.58 | action09 | anyone know a conf or bug aplying to thinkpad t410 ? i'm using iwlwifi firmware + iwlagn module.. i can see wifi interface but never able to get an IP.. :( |
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| 21:10.51 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Reading Squeeze Release notes Chapter 3... I know nothing about items mentioned in 3.1.1. |
| 21:10.59 | jaan0 | action09, unload/reload the module and read the last 10 lines of dmesg |
| 21:11.59 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: dont expect us to find that chapter : gives us at least the url or even better the word you dont understand... |
| 21:12.15 | valdyn__ | Darkelfjuggalo1: even though wikipedia or dict.org might be able to explain those alot better |
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| 21:14.24 | action09 | jaan0 hi http://pastebin.com/2pHpQEBt nothing bad :( |
| 21:14.28 | action09 | it seems |
| 21:14.37 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: I would suggest to skip most of the stuff you do not understand. ;) |
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| 21:15.46 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/mipsel/release-notes/ch-installing.en.html |
| 21:15.51 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: In that chapter that is -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_architecture would explain "architecture" for example if you want to understand that. In short: There are different ways a computer chip can be designed and different languages that are used by these different chips. |
| 21:16.34 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: I also doubt that you have a mipsel system -- What kind of computer do you have? |
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| 21:16.55 | jaan0 | action09, seems the hw is fully supported - at least a good start. personally I'd next run wpa_supplicant from CLI to possibly fetch any error |
| 21:16.58 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Dell inspiron b130 |
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| 21:17.26 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I believe i am using i386 |
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| 21:17.58 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Please read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html in that case |
| 21:19.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok looking over it, it says the same stuff...with only a few minor changes that do not clear anything up for me http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-installing.en.html |
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| 21:20.56 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Just continue with http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html or google terms you do not understand. You will find extensive discussion for most concepts online. |
| 21:21.21 | babilen | *discussions |
| 21:22.06 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I've never felt this handicapped with a computer before... |
| 21:23.11 | thewanderer1 | "main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1" and OpenLDAP (slapd) fails to start... the cert file is accessible by openldap user. any other clues? O.o |
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| 21:28.12 | thewanderer1 | ah... TLSCipherSuite NORMAL... |
| 21:28.23 | thewanderer1 | (obviously! heh :P ) |
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| 21:30.48 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Should I skip chapter 4? i mean its a straight from Etch to Lenny to Squeeze with no installations between |
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| 21:31.23 | abrotman | wonders what chapter 4 is ... |
| 21:31.37 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: No, chapter 4 is *exactly* the chapter that explains how you upgrade your system from lenny to squeeze |
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| 21:31.52 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | upgrades from Debian 5.0(lenny) |
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| 21:32.58 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | all it is doing is telling to look for other things not related so my hardware dont crash |
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| 21:36.40 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i am still not finding the correct source... i see a web address I have I don't know what to follow it with... |
| 21:37.24 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | dammit bbs |
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| 21:38.47 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Correct source for what? And how is this related to a BBS? |
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| 21:41.36 | deusex1983 | good evening guys could you help me with chrome how can I get the latest Chrome Browser version for install? |
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| 21:42.14 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | BBS? |
| 21:42.26 | action09 | jaan0 ok thanks for the info i'm trying to but it seems a bug |
| 21:42.29 | action09 | damn |
| 21:42.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | BBS is be back soon |
| 21:42.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i had to go get dinner started |
| 21:42.42 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: "dammit bbs" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system |
| 21:42.47 | action09 | see some posts with hal pb.. |
| 21:43.07 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Ok, enjoy your dinner. |
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| 21:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: What's for dinner? |
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| 21:44.38 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i got the water boiling... NOW the listed source for squeeze is what i have http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian but I do not know what follows [my lenny source has 'lenny main contrib non-free'] |
| 21:44.45 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Burgers and Mac and Cheese |
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| 21:45.40 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. I'm probably grilling some trout, not sure what goes with it. |
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| 21:46.18 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Im making due with what i have...its the end of the month |
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| 21:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: main contrib non-free |
| 21:46.52 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: At which step are you in the relese notes? |
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| 21:47.24 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 4.3.1 is what im reading |
| 21:47.50 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Adding APT Internet sources |
| 21:48.12 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: I would stay with the mirror you have right now -- It is most likely a suitable one. |
| 21:48.35 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Continue with 4.4.1. Recording the session |
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| 21:50.39 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | what do i change to get from lenny to squeeze... Simply t5he word lenny to the word squeeze? |
| 21:51.52 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: That is one step during the upgrade. Please follow the steps in the release notes. It is *important* that you do that. In particular because you have to upgrade udev and the kernel + reboot before you upgrade the rest of the system. |
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| 21:54.14 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Your sources.list should look like: http://paste.debian.net/132503/ |
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| 21:56.49 | start | if ntfscmp say things like: "Inode 705 attribute 0x10 content: DIFFER", does it means that the content is different? |
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| 21:57.55 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | how do i save it in nano editor |
| 21:58.52 | MrFrood | Darkelfjuggalo1: look at the bottom of the scrren (ctrl+o iirc) |
| 22:00.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | thats not listed |
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| 22:01.30 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | doing it brings up file name to write... pressing enter with save it? |
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| 22:02.48 | MrFrood | Darkelfjuggalo1: no idea, I normally do not use nano as I prefer more powerful text editors |
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| 22:06.39 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: and yes |
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| 22:11.21 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | It was recommended to me, when my source list opened in something other than a text editor |
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| 22:16.12 | mrgordon | Crisco,are you knowledgeable with debian linux 6.0 |
| 22:16.44 | Crisco | mrgordon: a little bit |
| 22:16.48 | Crisco | why did you ask me? |
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| 22:19.16 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 22:19.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:24.59 | seb82 | hey babilen |
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| 22:34.08 | npx | sooo sosososo impressed with squeeze |
| 22:35.30 | seb82 | how come npx? |
| 22:35.57 | streuner__ | npx: yeah, stable is just fine, if you running something when you need only to turn on and wouldnt have much headaches |
| 22:37.22 | npx | it's fast, all of my hardware is supported perfectly including sleep/hibernate, i've got 64-bit flash (what?!) |
| 22:37.49 | seb82 | npx you got lucky on sleep/hibernate... it fails on my laptop otherwise its indeed marv |
| 22:37.57 | npx | i had fedora 14 on the same system and debian 6.0 is perceptibly faster |
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| 22:38.18 | fckgw | anybody some skills with curl on commandline? :D |
| 22:38.28 | somiaj | it's usually the wireless drivers or sound drivers that fuck with suspend/hibernate...:/ |
| 22:38.51 | npx | yeah i got a laptop with an atheros wifi card specifically because of that |
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| 22:39.21 | npx | for whatever reason suspend didnt work in fedora 14 but it's flawless on squeeze so that's a really nice perk |
| 22:39.33 | npx | (probably some config error I made tbh) |
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| 22:41.06 | npx | my only concerns at this point are really minor usability things, like "why can't I highlight text with my cursor in tmux panes when it's running in guake?" |
| 22:41.08 | mrgordon | Crisco: Because i will like to know how to go about installing the nvidia driver |
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| 22:43.54 | Crisco | mrgordon: google it |
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| 22:44.08 | mrgordon | thanks to you |
| 22:44.12 | Crisco | I found out the names of the drivers on the Arch Wiki |
| 22:44.22 | somiaj | !nvidia |
| 22:44.23 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:44.25 | Crisco | it is really helpful even if you aren't using Arch Linux |
| 22:45.03 | mrgordon | thanks again,i will try the link,thanks again |
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| 22:45.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | would Safe Upgrade be the same as Minimal System upgrade? |
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| 22:46.09 | npx | and you know, aside from google chrome this installation is 100% OSS |
| 22:46.30 | npx | and flash, grr |
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| 22:47.14 | seb82 | somiaj: i know... that's were it goes wrong... |
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| 22:48.36 | somiaj | seb82: I can't even run a network-manager without it causing my wireless drivers to crash my kernel. |
| 22:48.42 | donkdonk | anyone know what kind of options i can stick in /etc/default/grub? |
| 22:48.50 | somiaj | npx: why not use chromium? |
| 22:49.12 | donkdonk | i want to keep grub from updating the menu.lst file |
| 22:49.12 | seb82 | My network is managed through /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:50.02 | somiaj | seb82: I prefer to do that, but sometimes a gui to find a new wireless node makes it faster than looking though wlist wlan0 scan and then putting the entries into the interfaces file |
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| 22:50.31 | npx | i'd just use iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever; dhclient wlan0 if i didn't use network-manager |
| 22:50.47 | npx | i guess it'd be kind of a pain if you had to use WPA/WEP though |
| 22:51.15 | seb82 | true, but when you e.g. reinstall your system you always have a file which contains all the network you want/need to access... if you backup the file |
| 22:51.39 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i ask again, is safe upgrade the same as minimal system upgrade? |
| 22:51.46 | somiaj | npx: basically all the inerfaces file does is allow you to put all those opptions into a file to automatic the process the second time you want to connect to that ap. (: |
| 22:52.24 | somiaj | npx: then you call the ifup/ifdown scripts which put all the right wpa/wep, essid, etc to ifconfig |
| 22:52.28 | npx | i didn't even know /etc/network/interfaces supported wifi until i installed 6.0 |
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| 22:53.20 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | *sits back waiting* |
| 22:53.29 | npx | Darkelfjuggalo1, i don't know or I'd answer you =* |
| 22:53.30 | npx | =( |
| 22:53.40 | seb82 | npx: already since Lenny... |
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| 22:55.31 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: aptitude is not recommended for the lennyâsqueez update. safe-upgrade as opposed to full-upgrade will not remove packages |
| 22:55.34 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | anyone else know? i know i've seen a lot of people talking about upgrades recently and often i see 'safe upgrade' then 'full upgrade |
| 22:56.15 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: *please* follow the release notes -- every single command you need if given in there and "safe-upgrade + dist-upgrade" will not work for lennyâsqueeze |
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| 22:56.40 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok thank you thats all i needed to know |
| 22:57.16 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: Read "man aptitude" to learn about safe- and dist-upgrade |
| 22:57.24 | babilen | s/dist/full/ |
| 22:57.36 | r04r | Does anyone know if its possible to restrict which ports may be forwarded by a specific user in authorized_keys? I'm using port forwarding with ssh -R and using OpenSSH |
| 22:57.38 | joe6 | my sound is gone since I upgraded to the debian kernel on 3.0.0. |
| 22:57.44 | joe6 | anyone have the same problem? |
| 22:58.27 | joe6 | amixer: http://codepad.org/YADki5Ao |
| 22:58.47 | joe6 | lsmod: http://codepad.org/MUtujQFL |
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| 23:00.16 | somiaj | joe6: but if you boot off your old kernel it works just fine? Does cat /proc/asound/cards show your sound cards? |
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| 23:01.26 | joe6 | somiaj, haven't tried with the older kernel, will try that: cat /proc/asound/cards: http://codepad.org/8OEoVMWC |
| 23:01.33 | joe6 | it does show my card. |
| 23:01.38 | notslad | is there a good doc or tip for explaining how to specify a local mirror during a debian install? I'm using the net install method and it doesn't let me specify the address of the mirror I want to download packages from.. |
| 23:02.08 | joe6 | i also removed gnome. and, I am not sure if the gnome stuff removed the sound mechanism. |
| 23:02.15 | somiaj | joe6: alsamixer seems to be just fine to, it didn't get muted? |
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| 23:02.27 | somiaj | joe6: well I guess in that case, what are you trying to make sound with? |
| 23:02.32 | joe6 | somiaj, that is what I checked. |
| 23:02.52 | npx | joe6, do you have pulseaudio installed? |
| 23:02.59 | joe6 | somiaj, i tried speaker-test -Dsurround51:ICH5 -c6 -twav |
| 23:03.35 | joe6 | npx, no, i think I had pulseaudio installed at some point. good catch. i do not have it now. |
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| 23:03.50 | somiaj | notslad: you can modify the /etc/apt/sources.list file by hand to put the right mirror in there after you install the base system. |
| 23:03.52 | joe6 | npx, it could be one of the packages that I zapped |
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| 23:04.15 | joe6 | somiaj, speaker-test output: http://codepad.org/acLntlE6 |
| 23:04.20 | somiaj | notslad: I though the DI would let you choose a mirror, but maybe you need expert mode for that |
| 23:04.21 | npx | joe6, do you still have a ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 23:04.21 | notslad | somiaj: but there isn't a way to specify the mirror used for the base install? |
| 23:04.30 | somiaj | notslad: the base install is on the CD |
| 23:04.39 | npx | joe6, or an /etc/asound.conf |
| 23:04.41 | notslad | somiaj: I'm allowed to select from a list of mirrors.. but I want to host a private mirror on my network |
| 23:04.57 | joe6 | npx, no, i do not have a asoundrc and neither that either |
| 23:05.22 | joe6 | npx, and neither /etc/asound.conf, either |
| 23:05.35 | somiaj | notslad: well the base system is on the netinstall-CD not network connenction required. If expert mode doesn't let you manually enter in your own mirror, just install the base system and change your mirrors before downloading/installing anything else. |
| 23:05.36 | joe6 | npx, should I install pulseaudio |
| 23:05.48 | npx | i don't think so |
| 23:05.58 | npx | until you can confirm alsa is working at least |
| 23:06.19 | notslad | somiaj: hmm.. I haven't seen an "expert mode".. I'll look for it when I install again |
| 23:06.26 | seb82 | joe6,, wot is the output of alsactl init? |
| 23:06.53 | notslad | somiaj: I want to do most of my installs over PXE, so hosting my own mirror would be nice |
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| 23:07.04 | joe6 | seb82, alsactl is not found |
| 23:08.46 | seb82 | joe6, have you install alsa? as in alsa-base alsa-tools,etc ? |
| 23:08.47 | joe6 | this is what aplay -l and aplay -L show: http://codepad.org/U0SVtfRR |
| 23:09.33 | notslad | somiaj: thanks for the tips! I suddenly have to go... l8r |
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| 23:09.42 | joe6 | seb82, this is what dpkg --list | grep -i alsa : http://codepad.org/ZaJlpL69 |
| 23:11.09 | joe6 | should I just get them from unstable, alsa-base and alsa-utils, I mean |
| 23:11.21 | seb82 | try to install them |
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| 23:12.22 | joe6 | ok, thanks. seb82, will do so. alsa-utils and alsa-base or should i just install everything with word alsa in them? |
| 23:12.55 | npx | i wish they'd have stuck with opensound =/ |
| 23:13.04 | joe6 | libasound2, linux-sound-base , liboss4-salsa-dev, liboss4-salsa2? |
| 23:13.12 | joe6 | gstreamer0.10-alsa |
| 23:13.33 | seb82 | no try only alsa-base and alsa-utils... |
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| 23:14.31 | joe6 | seb82, ok, thanks: installed: http://codepad.org/wBlqjIJS |
| 23:14.46 | joe6 | ii alsa-utils 1.0.24.2-3 Utilities for configuring and using ALSA |
| 23:15.12 | seb82 | kk cool... now try alsactl init again... |
| 23:15.48 | joe6 | seb82: http://codepad.org/J3XaUn76 |
| 23:15.54 | seb82 | npx, the community wants other stuff and builds other stuff... |
| 23:16.07 | joe6 | did not realise that alsactl was in sbin. |
| 23:16.11 | joe6 | had to do it as root |
| 23:16.51 | joe6 | speaker-test has no sound, though. |
| 23:17.48 | cemiotic | try unmute it |
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| 23:19.18 | seb82 | joe6 haven't you got sudo? |
| 23:19.48 | joe6 | cemiotic, amixer settings: http://codepad.org/aH7syCTe, i think it is unmuted and at 100% |
| 23:19.56 | joe6 | seb82, yes, i do. |
| 23:20.23 | joe6 | i use "sudo -i" to become root. |
| 23:20.28 | npx | seb82, yeah - i've always been critical of alsa and pulse but it's all working great at this point, so I can't complain |
| 23:20.38 | LtL | joe6: ya gotta reboot after the alsactl init .. afaik |
| 23:21.01 | seb82 | LtL: I'm don't agree on that... afaik it works straight... |
| 23:21.07 | seb82 | *I don't |
| 23:21.13 | LtL | joe6: the pastebin looks good |
| 23:21.17 | joe6 | seb82, i could reboot, if that helps. |
| 23:21.25 | cemiotic | joe6: use alsamixer instead |
| 23:21.26 | seb82 | joe82: try alsamixer |
| 23:21.30 | seb82 | lol cemiotic |
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| 23:21.44 | r04r | What is debian's equalavant of the /etc/event.d? |
| 23:21.52 | joe6 | cemiotic: yes, i use alsamixer to change the settings and amixer to print out the settings to paste for you |
| 23:22.00 | r04r | Specifically something that simply launches at boot and restarts the process if it ends |
| 23:22.08 | joe6 | as, I do not know how to get alsamixer settings out to pastebin. |
| 23:22.12 | LtL | seb82: nod, but the reboot is in directions somewhere, but i wouldnt be surprised if you can skip it. |
| 23:22.24 | npx | r04r, is /etc/event.d what upstart uses? |
| 23:22.32 | seb82 | npx: my laptop only works with alsa and pulse, oss made my entire system do weird stuff in the end |
| 23:22.49 | r04r | npx: I think so. I'm guessing /etc/inittab would be good for the job? |
| 23:23.05 | seb82 | joe6, wot kind of system (brand type, etc) are you using? |
| 23:23.11 | cemiotic | joe6: paste the input of id command |
| 23:23.17 | cemiotic | sorry output |
| 23:23.34 | joe6 | seb82: http://codepad.org/eSvoGw5J |
| 23:23.48 | joe6 | cemiotic: uid=1000(joe) gid=1000(joe) groups=1000(joe),7(lp),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),124(vboxusers) |
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| 23:24.09 | cemiotic | joe6: use last resort.. reboot |
| 23:24.27 | joe6 | seb82: the full lspci -vvv output, http://codepad.org/21y6TAAR |
| 23:24.39 | npx | seb82, if you try freebsd 8.2, it's not really a desktop/laptop linux competitor but it handles sound sooo well |
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| 23:24.47 | joe6 | could it be the Intel ICH driver? shouldn't it be intel 8x0 or 810 oslt? |
| 23:25.25 | npx | i forgot about debian/kfreebsd... |
| 23:25.33 | seb82 | npx, I will at some point in the future... but I'm using an 8 year old laptop... |
| 23:25.33 | LtL | joe6: intel HDA Alsa typically |
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| 23:26.04 | joe6 | LtL, driver, you mean? |
| 23:26.18 | cemiotic | joe6: "lsmod | grep snd" |
| 23:27.01 | LtL | joe6: yes, but ICH is sound related, I would expect to see intel alsa something or other in sound /prefs/ gui |
| 23:27.36 | Koheleth | Hi all, can ikonia from Ubuntu ban me from here cuz she has problems with men? |
| 23:27.42 | joe6 | cemiotic: http://codepad.org/nzI9oOZ3 lsmod | grep snd |
| 23:27.44 | Koheleth | geez |
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| 23:28.25 | IdleOne | Koheleth: so instead of harassing the ubuntu namespace you're going to do it in debians? |
| 23:28.27 | jelly-home | Koheleth: isn't there an #ubuntu-ops channel or something to take issues like that there |
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| 23:28.44 | seb82 | joe6: wot computer/laptop are you on? |
| 23:28.50 | Koheleth | lets go to SuSE eh |
| 23:28.57 | Koheleth | enough of this |
| 23:29.14 | seb82 | how can i bind the host system /dev to a chroot /dev? |
| 23:29.15 | jelly-home | Koheleth: let's keep tech support channels for tech support, please |
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| 23:29.24 | joe6 | seb82, desktop. it has an msi motherboard. I can get more details, if you want. I have them somewhere. and I am using headphones. |
| 23:29.38 | joe6 | the headphones worked on this computer, for a long time. |
| 23:29.42 | npx | joe6, is it a USB headset? |
| 23:29.54 | seb82 | joe6, do you have a gui running? |
| 23:30.16 | joe6 | but, recently, I had a gnome disaster and got rid of all gnome stuff alongwith pulseaudio (inadvertently) and something then seems to have caused this. |
| 23:30.41 | jelly-home | seb82: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
| 23:30.42 | joe6 | npx, no, just the normal one which plugs into the stereo jack. |
| 23:31.14 | joe6 | sed82, i have xmonad, none of the gnome stuff, if that is what you mean. |
| 23:31.18 | seb82 | jelly-home: the instruction say to be carefull with this... |
| 23:31.30 | joe6 | seb82, i could install some preferences or some app, if you feel that it will help. |
| 23:31.39 | cemiotic | joe6: you might need to pick a different sound card in alsamixer by pressing F6 |
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| 23:32.21 | joe6 | cemiotic, i have in alsamixer "- (default), 0 Intel ICH5" |
| 23:32.34 | seb82 | are you sure the sound is unmuted in gui mixer? |
| 23:32.44 | joe6 | and picking either one shows the same settings. |
| 23:33.04 | joe6 | seb82, mm is muted, correct, and 00 is unmuted, correct? and everything is in the red zone. |
| 23:33.19 | joe6 | seb82, the max allowed, I believe |
| 23:33.52 | joe6 | seb82, and everything is with 00 |
| 23:34.04 | cemiotic | joe6: may be you plugged incorrect holes, lol |
| 23:34.20 | seb82 | where's your Master at Joe6? |
| 23:34.48 | seb82 | Jelly-Home... wot is supposed to do? |
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| 23:35.45 | joe6 | i changed surround to Shared from Independent and S/PDIF P to IEC958 and it works now. |
| 23:35.55 | joe6 | wow, that is cool. |
| 23:36.12 | jelly-home | seb82: what you asked -- give full access to /dev (which basically means the whole system) inside a chroot stored at "/path/to/chroot" |
| 23:36.28 | joe6 | npx, seb82, cemiotic, LtL, thanks very very much, folks. |
| 23:36.38 | seb82 | joe6: your welcome! |
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| 23:37.00 | seb82 | jelly-home: would it then show the drive on which chroot is running e.g. sdb1? |
| 23:37.27 | jelly-home | seb82: indeed it would. That's what you asked for. |
| 23:37.36 | seb82 | because it doesn't... |
| 23:37.38 | LtL | According to http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA .. a reboot is suggested AFTER alsactl init is issued. his alsactl init results look good but seems to be a little terse on loaded modules, however my board/chip are different. |
| 23:38.10 | jelly-home | seb82: what are you really trying to accomplish |
| 23:38.33 | LtL | joe6: wtg dude! |
| 23:38.35 | seb82 | jelly-home: to install debian to an external drive which I can chroot into or even run standalone... I used deboostrap for it... |
| 23:38.58 | LtL | joe6: ye hath conquered debian silly sound quirks |
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| 23:39.11 | joe6 | LtL, that is funny, thanks. |
| 23:39.30 | joe6 | or, maybe, linux's sound quirks or is it alsa's sound quirks.. |
| 23:39.33 | seb82 | and the debian manual says to run MAKEDEV generic (while in chroot) in the map /dev but it says it can't find MAKEDEV |
| 23:40.10 | jpwhiting | anyone here know how to permanently set their locale? |
| 23:40.11 | jelly-home | seb82: it's in root's PATH, /sbin/MAKEDEV ... if you use that, _don't_ bind mount /dev in the chroot |
| 23:40.23 | jpwhiting | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale suggests putting some stuff in /etc/profile but that doesn't seem to work here |
| 23:40.23 | LtL | joe6: probably alsa and the kernel, i've had to mess with every version since sarge on a dozen boxes |
| 23:40.36 | seb82 | how can I unbind it? |
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| 23:40.43 | jelly-home | umount it |
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| 23:40.55 | seb82 | just like umount /media/ghost/dev |
| 23:40.59 | jelly-home | yes |
| 23:41.05 | joe6 | Ltl, intersting that aplay -l shows 2 devices now. http://codepad.org/binEecOS |
| 23:41.07 | seb82 | kk did that... thx |
| 23:41.22 | jelly-home | seb82: verify it got umounted. |
| 23:41.28 | seb82 | via mount right? |
| 23:41.35 | joe6 | i think it is the iec958 that needs to be configured. |
| 23:41.36 | jelly-home | sure, or df |
| 23:41.48 | seb82 | it's unmounted... |
| 23:41.56 | LtL | joe6: yeah, thats normal |
| 23:41.57 | jelly-home | or cat /proc/mounts |
| 23:42.04 | seb82 | there's no MAKEDEV in /sbin... |
| 23:42.07 | wolfe213 | is there some way I can have a "hostname" that points on my LAN to this machine for like apache and related web services? I dont have access to my router to use regular DNS, can this be done with mDNS/zeroconf somehow? |
| 23:42.16 | joe6 | cemiotic: i am thinking that it is your suggestion to change the sound card from default to the first one that seemed to have made the difference. |
| 23:42.31 | joe6 | cemiotic: i am not sure, but that could be one of the things that I changed too. |
| 23:42.41 | cemiotic | joe6: lol, np man |
| 23:42.46 | seb82 | hoping joe6 isn't deaf by now... |
| 23:43.00 | joe6 | seb82, music to the ears, man. |
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| 23:43.05 | LtL | joe6: if it works dont fix it! |
| 23:43.11 | seb82 | lol @ joe6 |
| 23:43.13 | joe6 | Ltl, good suggestion. |
| 23:43.31 | joe6 | LtL, but cannot help it, would have been on windows if i could have helped it. |
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| 23:43.57 | joe6 | the thrill of the new frontier? |
| 23:44.04 | cemiotic | joe6: don't forget to run alsactl store |
| 23:44.18 | LtL | cemiotic: good point. |
| 23:44.23 | joe6 | cemiotic, good point. btw, where does it store its' settings? |
| 23:44.56 | cemiotic | joe6: i don't know, really |
| 23:45.07 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i am attempting to install the Kernal upgrade for squeeze i have followed 4.4.5 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev anf 4.6.1 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#kernel-metapackage and 4.4.5 fails to install the linux image |
| 23:45.13 | LtL | joe6: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 23:45.15 | joe6 | cemiotic: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 23:45.29 | cemiotic | good to know |
| 23:46.44 | LtL | seb82: I'm outa line here but isn't MAKEDEV in /dev/ |
| 23:46.54 | LtL | */dev |
| 23:46.58 | seb82 | no... that's the problem... |
| 23:47.09 | LtL | seb82: ah...ooh. |
| 23:47.30 | seb82 | i installed makedev in chroot via apt-get... I'm getting messages about .udevdb or udev presence... |
| 23:47.32 | unseensoul | How can I find out which network interfaces are associated with network cards? |
| 23:48.20 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Following 4.4.5 i get 'E: couldn't find package linux-image-2.6-flavor' |
| 23:48.25 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I followed 4.6.1 directions installed that package and tried again |
| 23:48.26 | seb82 | so MAKEDEV is aborted... |
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| 23:49.21 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 4.4.5 failed to find the package, I took -flavor off and it gave me a list of providers and told me to choose one |
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| 23:49.56 | jelly-home | seb82: pastebin your cat /proc/mounts |
| 23:50.18 | seb82 | from the target system or host? |
| 23:50.38 | jelly-home | seb82: host |
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| 23:51.30 | seb82 | http://paste.debian.net/132516/ |
| 23:51.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | *Sits back and waits* |
| 23:52.03 | jelly-home | seb82: did you at any point copy the contents of some other /dev into your chroot's /dev? |
| 23:52.05 | seb82 | nope |
| 23:52.33 | seb82 | I did the install as supposed: /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH squeeze \ |
| 23:52.33 | seb82 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.13 | seb82 | then lauched chroot straight away... |
| 23:53.27 | jelly-home | seb82: is there anything matching /media/ghost/dev/*udev* or /media/ghost/dev/.*udev* |
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| 23:54.12 | jelly-home | seb82: /media/ghost/dev should be almost empty |
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| 23:54.20 | seb82 | in chroot ls /dev/.*udev* gives me db... |
| 23:54.34 | jelly-home | seb82: wipe those manually |
| 23:54.49 | jelly-home | redo MAKEDEV afterwards |
| 23:55.08 | seb82 | the whole map has the following: http://paste.debian.net/132517/ |
| 23:55.27 | seb82 | in chroot or on the host in /media/ghost/dev ? |
| 23:55.35 | jelly-home | seb82: it's the same |
| 23:55.39 | seb82 | kk |
| 23:55.54 | jelly-home | seb82: but run MAKEDEV inside the chroot |
| 23:56.00 | seb82 | .*udev* is removed in chroot |
| 23:56.01 | r04r | does inittab have a logfile? |
| 23:56.03 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo1: linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 23:56.25 | seb82 | makedev can't read /proc/devices... |
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| 23:56.50 | viusert | Hi, a noon question. Is configuration wizard available In console? (network ip/mask , hostname, ssh fingerprint) for onetime boot config task? |
| 23:56.50 | Torgal | hello, how to create a file containing a / caracter ? |
| 23:56.52 | jelly-home | seb82: well, /proc is mounted inside the chroot |
| 23:56.59 | jelly-home | seb82: well, /proc is NOT mounted inside the chroot |
| 23:57.05 | jelly-home | Torgal: you can't |
| 23:57.06 | seb82 | owkay |
| 23:57.13 | seb82 | do I need to mount it? |
| 23:57.27 | jelly-home | Torgal: oh wait, a file containing it? echo / > somefile |
| 23:57.54 | jelly-home | seb82: if you want to get rid of that message, yes |
| 23:58.10 | seb82 | do I mount inside chroot? |
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| 23:58.21 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Thank you Babilen |
| 23:58.58 | jelly-home | seb82: you may mount a fresh /proc inside chroot, or bind-mount the one from the main system |
| 23:59.25 | seb82 | could I remove the dev-files in /dev/ and start MAKDEV generic after I mounted proc? |
| 23:59.30 | jelly-home | seb82: the former is approximately mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 23:59.59 | jelly-home | seb82: there is no need to remove any other entries |
