| 00:00.27 | jelly-home | makedev will gerenate the same ones, and lots more |
| 00:00.28 | seb82 | not even entries which I don't use like hdd2 hdm10 etc? |
| 00:01.29 | jelly-home | seb82: leave them if they don't make problems |
| 00:01.35 | seb82 | kk |
| 00:01.39 | jelly-home | any they don't |
| 00:02.16 | seb82 | the creating an /etc/fstab leaves me a bit clueless... |
| 00:02.42 | jelly-home | seb82: the whole point of MAKEDEV generic is to create a static, populated /dev/ with lots and lots of device nodes which you may or may not use later |
| 00:02.52 | seb82 | ah kk I see |
| 00:02.58 | Torgal | jelly-home, no a file with '/' in the name |
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| 00:03.12 | jelly-home | Torgal: first answer, then |
| 00:03.32 | Torgal | is it possible on windows ? |
| 00:03.51 | jelly-home | Torgal: ask in ##windows |
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| 00:04.09 | jelly-home | I don't _think_ so but am not sure |
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| 00:05.25 | seb82 | e.g. if the external drive is currently /dev/sdb1 should it remain /dev/sdb1 in fstab then? |
| 00:05.27 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | How do I manually update my GRUB just to ensure that it is if it did not update during kernal install? |
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| 00:07.24 | jelly-home | seb82: it depends. Are you going to put that disk in a different machine, and is it going to be the second disk there as well? |
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| 00:07.58 | seb82 | most likely it will... the first disk will most likely be an windows disk... |
| 00:08.05 | jelly-home | seb82: best to use UUIDs or LABELs in fstab instead |
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| 00:08.30 | seb82 | jelly-home: no clue about UUIDs or LABELs... |
| 00:08.49 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | How do I update my Grub? |
| 00:08.54 | jelly-home | !tell seb82 about uuid |
| 00:09.23 | jelly-home | Darkelfjuggalo1: update-grub |
| 00:09.37 | dvs | jelly-home: too easy! ;-) |
| 00:09.46 | jelly-home | imagine that |
| 00:09.59 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok no additional program to access to do that? |
| 00:10.12 | seb82 | jelly-home: how do I name my parititons? |
| 00:10.14 | Big_Brother | jmarsden: you think i could add an ntfs drive to fstab in the same way as the ext3 drives? (changing 'ext3' to ntfs of course) |
| 00:10.45 | seb82 | nvm I found it... |
| 00:10.52 | jelly-home | seb82: you may use "e2label" tool to label them if that's what you want to use |
| 00:10.56 | hotwings | so i compile and install xine-lib-1.2 from its hg source.. current version is 1.2.0~hg-11732.. apt-get upgrade wants to replace libxine-dev with 1.1.19-3.2...... what the hell |
| 00:10.56 | hotwings | why would apt try to replace 1.2.* with 1.1.* ?! |
| 00:11.19 | jelly-home | ,versions libxine-dev |
| 00:11.21 | judd | Package: libxine-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.14-6; squeeze: 1.1.19-2; sid: 1.1.19-3.1; wheezy: 1.1.19-3.1; experimental: 1.1.90hg+20100720+609066b321de-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.19-3.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.19-3.2 |
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| 00:11.30 | seb82 | e.g. e2label /dev/sdb2 ghostfs ? |
| 00:11.49 | jelly-home | hotwings: you probably have debian-multimedia repos enabled |
| 00:12.11 | LtL | Big_Brother: look into ntfs-3g package |
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| 00:13.08 | seb82 | I cannot use e2label on /dev/sdb2 (the swap partition) |
| 00:13.42 | jelly-home | seb82: e2label is only for ext2-ext4 filesystems |
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| 00:13.51 | seb82 | ah kk |
| 00:14.05 | jelly-home | seb82: you can set a label on swap at mkswap time |
| 00:14.19 | hotwings | jelly-home - it looks like i do have debian-multimedia repos in my sources.list so i can get mplayer-nogui. but even so, is it typical behavior for apt to want to downgrade a package version during an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 00:14.29 | hotwings | this has never been a problem for me before, it just started a day or two ago |
| 00:14.36 | jelly-home | seb82: if it's not in use at present, you can just mkswap ... /dev/sdb2 again |
| 00:14.49 | jelly-home | !tell hotwings about epoch |
| 00:15.02 | jelly-home | ah, damn |
| 00:15.31 | jelly-home | hotwings: that nasty 1: in front of the version makes apt and dpkg think it's a newer version |
| 00:15.51 | jelly-home | d-m uses epoch numbers to override Debian packages |
| 00:15.52 | iateadonut | with openssl, (i'm using it with mysql), can several clients use the same client-key at the same time? |
| 00:16.06 | seb82 | kk thx jelly-home: it has a label now |
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| 00:16.33 | jelly-home | hotwings: easiest thing to do is put an epoch in your changelog entry as well and regenerate your packages |
| 00:16.40 | seb82 | so on fstab I could use LABEL=ghostfs instead of UUID? |
| 00:16.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i need to reboot after Grub and kernal updates right? |
| 00:16.46 | jelly-home | seb82: yes |
| 00:16.59 | jelly-home | seb82: it's somewhat shorter and nicer |
| 00:17.00 | hotwings | they must have just started doing this.. i wonder why though |
| 00:17.19 | jelly-home | hotwings: no, he's been using epochs for a long time |
| 00:17.22 | seb82 | yeah true... named them ghostfs and ghostswap |
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| 00:18.26 | jelly-home | hotwings: makes it a) easier to track d-m packages regardless of Debian updates, but b) harder to use Debian packages if there's a matching d-m one |
| 00:18.56 | hotwings | jelly-home - ive been compiling my own xine-lib-1.2 for at least 2 years now and this problem never came up |
| 00:18.58 | jelly-home | and they might be called the same but they're often not really compatible |
| 00:18.59 | hotwings | nothing changed on my end so it has to have changed on debian-multimedia i'd assume |
| 00:19.55 | jelly-home | hotwings: it's possible marillat has added xine only recently |
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| 00:21.02 | jelly-home | hotwings: but his other packages have used incremented epochs as well. see eg. apt-cache policy mplayer |
| 00:22.01 | Big_Brother | not SCP, what would be an easy way to set up debian to be an FTP server? |
| 00:22.41 | hotwings | ok, either way i think your changelog suggestion is the best & least headache for me |
| 00:24.09 | hotwings | so in debian/changelog, xine-lib-1.2 (1.2.0~hg-11732) experimental; urgency=low -> xine-lib-1.2 (1:1.2.0~hg-11732) experimental; urgency=low ? |
| 00:24.19 | LtL | Big_Brother: choose the ftpd server of your liking and install/configure it |
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| 00:25.06 | Big_Brother | LtL: is it always running? |
| 00:25.45 | LtL | Big_Brother: typically yes |
| 00:25.57 | jelly-home | hotwings: right, that's all |
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| 00:26.20 | LtL | Big_Brother: doesn't have to be unless cron re-starts it. |
| 00:26.29 | jelly-home | hotwings: if you have any versioned deps in control, might want to update those as well |
| 00:27.02 | jelly-home | those probably get autogenerated |
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| 00:29.00 | vixus | Can anyone help me identify the reason behind my random freezes? |
| 00:29.13 | vixus | I'm not sure what to look out for in the logfiles. |
| 00:29.15 | centHOGG | have you checked your RAM with memtest |
| 00:29.26 | centHOGG | hard locks? |
| 00:29.31 | vixus | I haven't |
| 00:29.32 | seb82 | thx jelly-home |
| 00:29.38 | vixus | well, not recently anyway |
| 00:30.06 | centHOGG | yeah 3 levels of troubleshooting: hardware, firmware, software |
| 00:30.12 | vixus | centHOGG: Not sure why it would be running out of memory though.. it's just sitting there idle. |
| 00:30.23 | centHOGG | oh no its not running out |
| 00:30.29 | vixus | oh |
| 00:30.29 | centHOGG | its memory failing |
| 00:30.32 | vixus | ah ok |
| 00:30.33 | Big_Brother | smooches LtL on either cheek. |
| 00:30.37 | Big_Brother | thank you. |
| 00:30.37 | centHOGG | when was the last time it worked right |
| 00:30.45 | LtL | Big_Brother: welcome |
| 00:30.46 | vixus | This is a new machine. |
| 00:30.59 | vixus | The freezes have always been there but they're very rare. |
| 00:31.02 | centHOGG | yeah, i would check the mem with a memtest |
| 00:31.04 | vixus | ok |
| 00:31.15 | centHOGG | of a live cd or hiren's bootcd |
| 00:31.20 | vixus | ok |
| 00:31.50 | vixus | thanks |
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| 00:32.00 | LtL | vixus: /var/log/Xorg.1.log ~/.xsession-errors /var/log/kern.log just for starters |
| 00:32.02 | centHOGG | np |
| 00:32.04 | seb82 | I'm missing some /dev/pts in my chroot... |
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| 00:34.17 | HizMonster | Is debian going to keep on Gnome ? |
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| 00:34.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I just attempted to get the lenny to squeeze Dist-upgrade and it is unable to fetch some archives |
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| 00:35.56 | HizMonster | Or hijack it's users like ubuntu and force some gay Unity crap on them ? |
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| 00:37.29 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok I just i cannot access a wired network on my Debian |
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| 00:38.07 | hotwings | might as well add epoch to xine-ui as well before that gets lamed also |
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| 00:38.36 | themill | HizMonster: I'm not sure how one determines the sexuality of a piece of software. |
| 00:38.43 | themill | dpkg: tell HizMonster about gay |
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| 00:38.45 | danols2 | hi all! |
| 00:38.49 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I updated the kernal and the udev, then rebooted my Laptop now i cannot access a wired network |
| 00:39.07 | HizMonster | ((07:38:49:pm)) <dpkg> themill wants you to know: It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. There is no possible meaning of "gay" that is consistent with your usage (you weren't meaning "happy", now, were |
| 00:39.10 | HizMonster | you?) that is not offensive. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced |
| 00:39.27 | danols2 | this is probably very easy --- I aleady have an exim4 setup -- how do I crate an email alias for my user account ? |
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| 00:39.34 | afxx_ | rofl :D |
| 00:39.41 | themill | HizMonster: ummm... seriously? |
| 00:39.58 | indystorm | hey anyone have any info on how to setup ispconfig3? I can't find documentation for it anywhere for some reason... |
| 00:40.23 | HizMonster | . |
| 00:40.52 | afxx_ | indystorm: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-with-bind-and-courier-ispconfig-3 |
| 00:41.02 | afxx_ | but i prefer to use dovecot instead of courier |
| 00:41.11 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | How do I repair a Network connection some where in the middle of Lenny-squeeze? |
| 00:41.42 | themill | Darkelfjuggalo1: did the kernel postinst suggest that you needed some firmware modules? |
| 00:42.06 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Not that I noticed, how do I check? |
| 00:42.07 | afxx_ | indystorm: btw, i install it on lenny then dist-upgrade.. i was able to fix the mail service after some manual work after that, but somehow i corrupted the suphp setup so be careful :) |
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| 00:43.36 | indystorm | I just want web/ftp/ssh.... so you have to pay for the manual? hmmm interesting....! |
| 00:43.53 | afxx_ | who needs manual :) |
| 00:43.55 | danols2 | omg is as easy as editing /etc/aliases ? |
| 00:44.58 | indystorm | lol |
| 00:45.46 | indystorm | I want to be able to setup multiple users and have them have their own directory like /~whatever OR.... subdomain.myserver.dyndns.org is this possible? |
| 00:45.48 | danols2 | tests |
| 00:46.09 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | How do I check if I need firmware Modules? |
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| 00:46.59 | seb82 | night guyes |
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| 00:48.06 | aussa | hi, how can I configure monitor mode in my wireless card? |
| 00:48.30 | dvs | aussa: What is "monitor mode"? |
| 00:48.43 | dvs | suspects it's wpa roam |
| 00:48.47 | aussa | dvs, I don't know, you tell me :S |
| 00:49.19 | npx | i think they mean promiscuous mode |
| 00:49.29 | centHOGG | hell yeah |
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| 00:50.48 | dvs | aussa: wpa roam will pick up and try to connect to wireless networks at they are encountered. |
| 00:51.11 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | how do I fix a wired Network connection in the middle of a Lenny to squeeze upgrade? |
| 00:51.16 | aussa | dvs, oh ok... |
| 00:51.17 | centHOGG | wheh |
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| 00:52.32 | afxx_ | indystorm: i think its possible with dyndns.. btw check the ispconfig2 tutorial there arent many differences on that matter and its free |
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| 00:54.07 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | seriously... one person asks a question about my problem and no one can help? |
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| 00:55.00 | indystorm | oh ok cool |
| 00:55.04 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: the answer depends on whether you have network-manager installed or not |
| 00:55.05 | indystorm | thanks.! |
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| 00:55.25 | centHOGG | good luck with that dude |
| 00:56.06 | indystorm | whats the link for the ispconfig 2 manual? |
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| 00:56.31 | aussa | how do I "turn off" my wireless card, I'm getting this message when setting it in monitor mode: wlan0 ; Device or resource busy. |
| 00:56.44 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | Gnarface, I do not know... I had one, i updated my kernal and my udev, i rebooted before doing the dist upgrade and have no network connection now... |
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| 00:58.56 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: well what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 01:13.00 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | gnarface: Folders: if-down.d, if-post-down.d,if-pre-up.d, if-up, run.... document: interfaces |
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| 01:14.36 | istevenmon | hello guys what would you suggest for apache vhost run in different uid/gid reverseproxy or suexec? |
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| 01:15.40 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: do you have pastebinit ? 'pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces' |
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| 01:18.13 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I can paste it to Debian if you want to read it |
| 01:18.31 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: no pasting here please! |
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| 01:18.51 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | crap i'll have to Copy it by hand to the Debian's paste |
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| 01:21.07 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | http://paste.debian.net/132526/ |
| 01:22.17 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo1: what does "lspci -nn | grep -i net" say? |
| 01:22.19 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: well that explains a lot. there's no external network device listed there at all. |
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| 01:22.22 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try adding this line below that: allow-hotplug eth0 #assuming eth0 is your interface |
| 01:22.59 | gnarface | Darkelfjuggalo1: "# The loopback network interface" << this just refers to a network device the system creates to let processes connect to each other when there's no network |
| 01:24.09 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok LtL. did that |
| 01:24.36 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: you probably need to restart the network |
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| 01:25.01 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try ifup etho |
| 01:25.11 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | I have to restart the network directly? |
| 01:25.23 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: or /etc/init.d/networking restart or reboot |
| 01:25.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | in the terminal? |
| 01:25.39 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: yesy |
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| 01:27.10 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | what to i input to run this? |
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| 01:27.24 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try rebooting |
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| 01:29.04 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: as root /sbin/ifconfig should show lo and eth0 with addresses after reboot. provided the module loaded, check dmesg in terminal if not. |
| 01:29.08 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | just reboot my computer? i though you said reboot the network in the terminal[which is what i was trying to figure out] |
| 01:29.26 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: yes just reboot |
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| 01:30.43 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: its not mandatory but expeditious |
| 01:31.06 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok it's restarting |
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| 01:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: LtL +1 |
| 01:31.52 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: bugger |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | it has been said that bugger is EEEWWW! I really needed that image... neat cars with wings and polkadots, conforming with the standards of HELL |
| 01:32.16 | dvs | !LtL++ |
| 01:32.23 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok loaded up, not connected, what next? |
| 01:32.24 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: as root type /sbin/ifconfig in a terminal. eth0 should be up |
| 01:32.48 | LtL | jhutchins_lt: ok, what i do wrong |
| 01:33.08 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: still no net? |
| 01:33.14 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | still no net |
| 01:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | LtL: No, I was trying to ++ your karma. You doin' good. |
| 01:33.50 | dvs | !karma LtL |
| 01:33.50 | dpkg | ltl has karma of 1 |
| 01:33.54 | dvs | yay |
| 01:33.56 | LtL | jhutchins_lt: ah, that's good then. |
| 01:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | Yes |
| 01:34.40 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | do you want a paste of what that ifconfig showed? |
| 01:34.41 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try this, dmesg |grep eth0 |
| 01:35.18 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: something like this would be nice, e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX |
| 01:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | That would be on the console as opposed to here, |
| 01:36.23 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | [ 1.668776] eth0: broadcom 44xx/47xx 10/100BaseT Ethernet 00:14:22:ae:23:b4 |
| 01:37.20 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: oh my, broadcom chipset. hrm. no mudule loaded it seems. |
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| 01:38.23 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: in a term type lspci |grep -i ethernet |
| 01:38.30 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: wait |
| 01:38.37 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: in a term type lspci -nn |grep -i ethernet |
| 01:38.52 | dvs | that looks familiar |
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| 01:38.57 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: i need the pci id code on that line |
| 01:40.23 | shanepardue | When Gnome3 is available on Wheezy, will it be the default DE? Just wondering if there is any user interaction to get it up and running. |
| 01:40.31 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: the pci id will be in square brackets |
| 01:41.07 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ispci -nn command not found |
| 01:41.33 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | or is that ispci? |
| 01:41.40 | dvs | lspci |
| 01:41.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | lspci |
| 01:42.30 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: L lower case |
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| 01:43.30 | chronos | good night. |
| 01:43.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base- TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02) |
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| 01:45.06 | dvs | !b44 |
| 01:45.30 | chronos | there is some idea why I can't install any package? I get E: Package 'python' has no installation candidate when do apt-get install python |
| 01:45.31 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: you're on squeeze right? do lsmod |grep b44 |
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| 01:46.20 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | LtL I am between Minimum System upgrade and Dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 01:46.37 | vixus | Ok, so there were no issues with my memory |
| 01:46.46 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: yeah, i've been following, as root do, modprobe b44 |
| 01:46.47 | vixus | what else could be causing the freezes and how would I check? |
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| 01:47.43 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok i did that and all i got was warning |
| 01:47.56 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: saying what? |
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| 01:48.38 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i'll do a paste give me a few moments |
| 01:48.51 | vixus | Which of the logs in /var/log would show me the reason for a crash? (I'm having rare, seemingly random crashes on my system.) |
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| 01:49.35 | shanepardue | When attempting to install gnome-session from experimental, it says it can't install gjs..so I'm guessing gnome3 isn't ready yet |
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| 01:51.52 | npx | shanepardue, i get the feeling it's going to be a while yet before gnome3 is really even usable |
| 01:52.34 | shanepardue | npx: Sure seems like it..Thought I'd check since I hadn't in awhile. Played with it in Fedora, but it's pretty buggy. |
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| 01:53.28 | npx | I'm hoping bugfixes keep rolling in for 2.3 and it stays relevant for a long time to come |
| 01:53.34 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | http://paste.debian.net/132532 |
| 01:53.47 | shanepardue | npx: A lot of people feel the same way |
| 01:54.18 | dvs | Darkelfjuggalo1: warnings |
| 01:54.58 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes... |
| 01:55.14 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i know they arte warnings I was asked what the warnings said |
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| 01:56.20 | jhutchins_lt | shanepardue: I will abuse you in the morning. What part of "it's not ready yet" didn't you read? |
| 01:56.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | any other suggestions to fix my ethernet connection? |
| 01:56.51 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: I'm not sure what is going on there. does ifconfig only show localhost? try /sbin/ifup eth0 |
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| 01:58.46 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
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| 02:02.05 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: in /etc/network/interfaces comment out hot-plug with a #, try adding this line, iface eth0 inet dhcp -this is a long shot and i can't guarentee it. |
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| 02:04.12 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | input and saved |
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| 02:05.06 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | reboot computer again? |
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| 02:05.21 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: as root type /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 02:06.53 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | it reconfigured. do i need to reboot computer since the network didnt come up? |
| 02:06.59 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: was network-manager installed previously? |
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| 02:07.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i have network manager as a folder in etc folder |
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| 02:08.28 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | inside that is dispatcher.d > 01ifupdown |
| 02:09.30 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 01ifupdown is an executable text file |
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| 02:10.47 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: it would be in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
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| 02:12.11 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | networkmanager.conf is not in /etc/networkmanager |
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| 02:12.44 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: but I don't wanna give you bad info but there is a setting in there that probably says 'managed=true' change to false |
| 02:13.25 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: is should work with true and hot-plugging, i don't know why not |
| 02:13.37 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: lsmod |grep b44 |
| 02:13.45 | aussa | have any of you used weplab, it tells me to configure my wireless card in monitor mode, and then to run something like: "weplab -i wlan0 -c weps.cap" but it keeps telling me: ERROR: datalink type is not DLT_IEEE802.11 or PRISM_HEADER. Maybe you need to configure monitor mode in your wireless card |
| 02:14.15 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf does not exist on my computer |
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| 02:15.18 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: read your dmesg and look for the error by typing dmesg |less ... spacebar to scroll, page-up, or 'q' to quit the less program. look for errors |
| 02:17.17 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | is it going to say error? |
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| 02:19.55 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i see 3 items disabled...idk if they are supposed to be |
| 02:19.57 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: it should but i think i know the problem |
| 02:20.12 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | make that 4 |
| 02:20.31 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: referring to what is disabled? |
| 02:20.51 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 4 differnt PME# |
| 02:21.30 | vixus | How do I diagnose a system freeze? |
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| 02:22.05 | somiaj | vixus: try to figure out what kind of freeze, is the kernel crashing or is xorg crashing (will result in an apperent system freeze) |
| 02:22.17 | somiaj | vixus: one way to check for a xcrashing as opposed to the kernel is can you ssh into the machine. |
| 02:22.29 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 0.129096, 0.129316, 0.129542, 0.130061 |
| 02:22.30 | vixus | I don't have sshd enabled |
| 02:22.52 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 0.130928 |
| 02:22.52 | vixus | but shouldn't I be able to Ctrl+Alt+F1 if it was an X crash? |
| 02:22.59 | somiaj | vixus: from there you can look at logs, try to reproduce the freeze, etc. If it seems random it could be bad ram |
| 02:23.05 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 0.131186 |
| 02:23.06 | somiaj | vixus: not if X crashes and takes your keyboard with it. |
| 02:23.14 | vixus | ok |
| 02:23.22 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: there is a bug in udev, if you 'mv /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /home/user' [for safe keeping] then reboot it might come up |
| 02:23.25 | vixus | somiaj: checked RAM already, it's fine. |
| 02:23.41 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: your call |
| 02:23.44 | somiaj | vixus: can you reproduce the crash? |
| 02:23.52 | vixus | somiaj: no, that's the problem |
| 02:24.04 | vixus | somiaj: It happens even when the computer has just been idling for a while. |
| 02:24.30 | vixus | somiaj: and it's not the screensaver |
| 02:24.33 | somiaj | vixus: I'd get sshd running and make sure it's not just x. This is debian stable? |
| 02:24.42 | vixus | squeeze, yep |
| 02:24.49 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: you need to change /etc/network/interfaces back to before also |
| 02:25.30 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i see that AFTER i click to restart |
| 02:25.37 | somiaj | vixus: you could try a bit more modern kernel from backports, make sure its not just a piece of hardware having trouble. I've seen faulty wireless drivers cause the system to crash from the automatic nature of network-manager. Have you parsed the system logs in /var/log (poke around and see if anything looks intersting) |
| 02:25.57 | vixus | somiaj: I have the current BPO kernel (I think) |
| 02:26.04 | vixus | somiaj: I thought it might be wifi actually |
| 02:26.06 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: no idea what that may be. |
| 02:26.10 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | when it restarts... back to the etc0 you had me comment out |
| 02:26.18 | vixus | somiaj: for instance the network dropping or something |
| 02:26.27 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | eth0 |
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| 02:27.07 | somiaj | vixus: try to use the non BPO kernel. Yea I have to disable networkmanager on my laptop cause it will crash my system if the network hickups due to the terrible wireless card. |
| 02:27.15 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: change /etc/network/interfaces back to hot-plug eth0, erase the added line we put in. network manager 'used' to use that. |
| 02:27.55 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572951 |
| 02:27.57 | vixus | somiaj: heh, ok, maybe i'll try plugging straight into and disabling my wireless then |
| 02:28.03 | vixus | just need it up for tonight |
| 02:28.08 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | did I ever need to comment out auto lo |
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| 02:28.27 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | or iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:28.28 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: NO, and does lo show up in ifconfig? |
| 02:28.45 | pujger | Moogy |
| 02:29.14 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | eth0? no |
| 02:29.14 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: erase the iface dhcp line |
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| 02:29.22 | vixus | somiaj: easy to test though, i can just shut down the wlan network |
| 02:31.01 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: it should look like this, http://pastebin.com/7jmHWBEr disregard the #networkmanager stuff |
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| 02:33.06 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | it does aside from the comment 'The primary network interface |
| 02:33.53 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try moving the udev rules file and reboot, it should re-generate |
| 02:34.27 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | repeat the command before my last restart? |
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| 02:34.49 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: the mv command? |
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| 02:35.41 | george_ | anyone know how I can show ram used as ram subtracted by buffers and cache as a percentage? |
| 02:35.46 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: 'mv /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /home/user' [user being your home dir] |
| 02:35.53 | george_ | in conky?* |
| 02:36.34 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | so put in user, or put in root since I'm logged into root right now? |
| 02:37.10 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: put it in YOUR home dir or anywhere that you can keep it just in case |
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| 02:37.50 | LtL | man i wish you could pastebin |
| 02:37.52 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | is there a confirmation message to watch for? |
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| 02:38.45 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: don't think so, permissions will stay the same, you can always put it back, back it should re-generate a working one.' |
| 02:40.37 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | rebooted still no network |
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| 02:41.36 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: did that file re-generate? ls /etc/udev/ |
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| 02:42.01 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: did that file re-generate? ls /etc/udev/rules.d/ sorry |
| 02:42.24 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes |
| 02:43.12 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: does /sbin/ifconfig show lo information? just no eth0? |
| 02:43.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | where do i find sbin? |
| 02:43.50 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | nvm |
| 02:43.56 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: type /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 02:44.16 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | no eth0 |
| 02:45.04 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: but is loopback up with an address of 127.0.0.1? |
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| 02:45.39 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes |
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| 02:46.29 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: ok, I do not know why eth0 isnt coming up. type lsmod |grep b44 |
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| 02:47.39 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | b44 18496 0, ssb 33746 1 b44, mii 2714 1 b44 |
| 02:48.29 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 02:48.39 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: is eth0 there? |
| 02:49.02 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes, eth0 is the first one |
| 02:49.17 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 02:49.36 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | just lo |
| 02:49.44 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: try /sbin/ifconfig up eth0 |
| 02:50.10 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | eth0: unknown host |
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| 02:50.48 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: thats a new one to me |
| 02:51.03 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: /sbin/ifup eth0 |
| 02:52.15 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
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| 02:53.10 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: damn, i wonder if it's your /etc/hosts file causing that |
| 02:53.28 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | can that be fixed? |
| 02:53.40 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: anything can be |
| 02:54.11 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | how might i fix that if it is the problem |
| 02:54.52 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: cat /etc/hosts line one should say 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 02:55.18 | LtL | this is why i install from scratch, i hate upgrades |
| 02:55.47 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: lo wouldnt come up if hosts was wrong |
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| 02:56.29 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | hosts or hosts.conf? |
| 02:56.37 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: hosts |
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| 02:57.23 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: a second line is similiar except it includes your hostname |
| 02:57.25 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 127.0.0.1 local host and 127.0.1.1 debian and some IPv6 capable hosts |
| 02:57.32 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: type 'hostname' |
| 02:57.57 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | im looking in the folder i see a hostname doc i can edit |
| 02:58.18 | LtL | I'm stumped, other than ifup ifdown everything |
| 02:58.19 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | the only host listed in hostname is debian |
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| 02:58.58 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | type in ifup ifdown all? |
| 02:59.17 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | or ifup ifdown eth0 and ifup ifdown lo? |
| 02:59.30 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: so your prompt says root@debian right |
| 02:59.47 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | prompt? in the terminal? |
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| 03:00.42 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: at this point i would try everything, yes the terminal prompt, the local hostname seems to be 'debian' which is fine |
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| 03:01.31 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | debian:~# is what is listed with each line i can input |
| 03:01.32 | chungbd | hi all, i want to build a debian package from binary file. Someone recommend me a tut? |
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| 03:03.42 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: yes the # indicates you're root, or it would be a $ |
| 03:04.00 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok ifconfig eth0 just configured it[for the first time] but sill unknown on the up |
| 03:04.19 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | and ifdown says not configured still |
| 03:04.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | and unfortunately i have to give up this working laptop for my dad now. |
| 03:05.11 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i'll try working on this more later or tomorrow |
| 03:05.38 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: sorry i couldn't help you, there goes my good karma |
| 03:05.40 | somiaj | chungbd: what are you wanting to package? |
| 03:05.56 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | you did your best man, i'm sure it'll get figured out |
| 03:06.05 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: there are ppl here that can figure it out i assure you. |
| 03:06.08 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ttyl man and thanks a lot |
| 03:06.18 | somiaj | 'dmesg | grep eth0' isn't telly you anything? |
| 03:07.04 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | not really, i'll check again when i get back online, parents impatient [supposed to have dishes done already lol, it's after 10pm] |
| 03:07.06 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: note somiaj's comment |
| 03:07.34 | somiaj | its sounding like tierh a) its not detecting eth0, or b) its erroring out and the error should be reported there |
| 03:07.41 | LtL | somiaj: we tried that, i'd need to lastlog to recall what it said |
| 03:07.44 | chungbd | somiaj: this is my project build on qt framework |
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| 03:08.35 | LtL | somiaj: we did look at dmesg. |
| 03:08.37 | somiaj | chungbd: you can look up the 'debian matianers guide' but with dh_make and a standard automake/autoconf setup it can create the debian/ in which all the scripts to build/create the package are put |
| 03:09.23 | somiaj | LtL: yea I figured, just seemed odd the errors he was getting. Usually only see those errors when the device hasn't fully be loaded with either the right module and/or firmware |
| 03:10.04 | LtL | somiaj: thanks for the assist though :) yeah, it's something easy i'm sure, just no pastebin and he's new |
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| 03:13.16 | LtL | somiaj: darkelfjuggalo1 said ifconfig just configured eth0, we were close, its a script error i think. |
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| 03:13.59 | LtL | argh |
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| 03:15.39 | cothrige | Hello all. I am wondering if there is anyone who might have a suggestion as to what would stop gnome-power-manager from offering suspend as an option for lid close when started with startx rather than gdm. Gdm3 here on wheezy is only giving me 'blank screen.' I'm in powerdev btw. |
| 03:16.09 | chungbd | somiaj: ok, i will read it now. Thanks for your help |
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| 03:17.39 | somiaj | cothrige: first welcome to testing...gnome3 is slowly working its way down, read the bts as I'm sure gnome will be buggy for a while. But as to 'why', I belive the gnome tools all use gdm for the root access its needs to suspend, hibernate, logon anohter usr etc. |
| 03:18.07 | somiaj | cothrige: so when you run 'startx', the gnome tools cannot talk to gdm to get it to do various system operations. |
| 03:19.02 | bvk | How can I configure X server to send Page-Up key when I press Alt-Down? Is it possible? |
| 03:19.05 | cothrige | Yeah, I think so. If i start via startx, with say openbox-session in the xinitrc, I can't get any options from gnome-power-manager, or xfce4-power-manager, other than blank screen. If I run either from root after starting the x session it works fine. |
| 03:19.19 | cothrige | Gdm3 starts all of it fine, but startx won't, if that makes sense. |
| 03:19.49 | cothrige | And thanks for the welcome. |
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| 03:21.14 | somiaj | bvk: why do you want to do that? depending on your window manager you can setup various keybindings and fakekey presses (Though not all applications like them) |
| 03:21.33 | somiaj | cothrige: I thought I just told you why. Those tools probabaly rely on gdm to do the actual work, if gdm isn't working they cannot tell it to do things. |
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| 03:23.12 | bvk | somiaj: my keyboard doesn't have page-up/page-down keys |
| 03:23.25 | cothrige | Okay, that makes sense. So, probably no workaround for starting without gdm and getting those priveleges? |
| 03:23.28 | bvk | somiaj: so, i want to use some unused key combinations for that. |
| 03:25.14 | somiaj | bvk: you can reconfigure your key map, but I don't think you can use combinations for that. You could look up 'fake keypress' in google see if you get anything useful, but not all applications like fake vents |
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| 03:36.03 | superstraw | iceweasel seems to browse websites much slower, and occasionally hangs, when compared to internet explorer... same computer. is there something in particular I should be checking out or changing? |
| 03:38.10 | somiaj | superstraw: what seems to be slow? Have you tried chroimum or maybe links2/lynx to see if its just a iceweasel issue or something is slow with dns resolution/connenction times |
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| 03:39.54 | superstraw | somiaj: I usually open multiple tabs on sites that i reference, and the pics are slow to download, links on the sites will take forever and it seems like it's waiting for 1 link to load while the others just flail in the wind, so to say. |
| 03:40.24 | superstraw | somiaj: I will try chrome and see, thx. was thinking opera but meh |
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| 03:41.11 | somiaj | superstraw: also check top, I know firefox can sometimes be a resource hog. But slowness could be somethign else and not the webbrowser |
| 03:41.51 | bombadil_ | I am unable to mount any of my dard disks. I changed their ownership to my user account, but now I can't mount them at all. It says "unable to mount location not authorized" in gnome. |
| 03:42.24 | bombadil_ | i did #chown -R user:user /dev/sdd etc. to each drive |
| 03:42.31 | bombadil_ | i must have screwed something up |
| 03:42.51 | superstraw | bombadil_: did you try mounting as root? |
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| 03:43.19 | somiaj | bombadil_: also change that back, you don't really want to give users direct access to write the device |
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| 03:43.25 | bombadil_ | i cant mount as root, however i think gnome used to ask me for my root password when i would try to mount and it no longer does. |
| 03:43.37 | somiaj | bombadil_: by default only root can mount things that aren't preconfigured in /etc/fstab for users |
| 03:43.55 | bombadil_ | *i CAN mount as root i meant |
| 03:44.13 | bombadil_ | somiaj: what should the correcto ownership be? root:root ? root:wheel? |
| 03:44.15 | somiaj | bombadil_: ok first, /dev/sdd is the full disk, do y ou have it partitioned, so you ahve a /dev/sdd1, /dev/sdd2, etc |
| 03:44.26 | somiaj | bombadil_: root.disk |
| 03:44.29 | bombadil_ | yes i have /dev/sdd1 |
| 03:44.52 | bombadil_ | ok so #chown -R root:disk /dev/sdd etc.. ? for each disk? |
| 03:44.54 | somiaj | bombadil_: so that is the partition you want to mount. What does "mount /dev/sdd1 /path/to/mount/point" do? |
| 03:45.06 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i am able to mount that way no problem |
| 03:45.09 | somiaj | bombadil_: it should fix itself next reboot, but yes to undo that you can do it |
| 03:45.15 | somiaj | bombadil_: ok so read up on fstab |
| 03:45.34 | somiaj | bombadil_: what you need to do is put an entry in /etc/fstab for each disk you want a user to be able to mount |
| 03:45.38 | bombadil_ | in fact i mounted all my drives to directories i created in /mnt, i was perplexed as none of the mounted volumes showed up on my desktop in gnome, either as root or as user |
| 03:45.46 | bombadil_ | ah i see |
| 03:45.48 | somiaj | bombadil_: are these usb disks that get unpluged/pluged in? |
| 03:45.55 | bombadil_ | just one |
| 03:46.05 | bombadil_ | one USB, 2 SATA, one IDE |
| 03:46.22 | somiaj | bombadil_: gnome uses an automounter, that then puts it on the desktop for usb disks. You may want to check that if that is the desire you want. |
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| 03:46.49 | bombadil_ | i see i see |
| 03:46.55 | bombadil_ | i'll just put shortcuts on the desktop instead |
| 03:47.21 | bombadil_ | all my disks are encypted with LUKS, and i want to mount the manually. so i won't be putting them in fstab |
| 03:47.29 | dsdeiz | anyone has rxvt-unicode-256color in squeeze, is it necessary to build ncurses-term? :/ |
| 03:47.30 | bombadil_ | as that way i cannot reboot my server remotely |
| 03:47.36 | superstraw | somiaj: meh, chrome is acting the same way as iceweasel does, slow... gonna google around and see if there's something i can check. |
| 03:48.05 | somiaj | superstraw: sounds like you are having some issue with your networking configuration. Is this over a wireless connenction? |
| 03:48.24 | noonday | Hi, I was installing Miro in aptitude but it forced me to remove VLC in order to proceed with the install |
| 03:48.46 | noonday | how can I have both VLC and Miro? |
| 03:49.11 | bombadil_ | somiaj: are you absolutely certain that the default ownership of disks is supposed to be root:disk ? |
| 03:49.37 | somiaj | bombadil_: that is what they are on my system. root is the owner of devices, the disk group is just the default group for all 'disks' |
| 03:49.54 | bombadil_ | okay thank you for your help. i will change them now |
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| 03:50.38 | somiaj | noonday: why is it forcing you to remove vlc -- track down the 'conflicts' package. |
| 03:50.49 | superstraw | somiaj: I used to be on wireless, but then got a regular ethernet 100mbit card, entered the info into /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 03:51.21 | somiaj | superstraw: I'd say make sure your card is at full duplex (instaed of just 10mbit) but that should still be fast enough for the internets on standard systems |
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| 03:51.30 | somiaj | superstraw: do 'pings' take longer than expected? |
| 03:51.33 | bombadil_ | somiaj: is there a way to put disks in fstab but make it so that they do not auto-mount on boot ? |
| 03:51.54 | superstraw | somiaj: no pings seem just as good |
| 03:52.08 | somiaj | bombadil_: 'noauto' line |
| 03:52.13 | somiaj | bombadil_: option I mean |
| 03:52.28 | somiaj | bombadil_: man fstab |
| 03:52.38 | bombadil_ | somiaj: excellent, thank you. |
| 03:53.30 | noonday | somiaj, these are the packages that aptitude required me to uninstall in order to install Miro: audacity libavcodec53 libavformat53 libavutil51 libffmpegthumbnailer4 libpostproc51 libswscale2 phonon phonon-backend-vlc tumbler vlc vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse |
| 03:55.03 | noonday | Aptitude also reported thse conflicts The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:55.03 | noonday | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.03 | noonday | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.03 | noonday | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.03 | noonday | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.04 | somiaj | noonday: the idea is Miro is depending on some lib that conflicts with one of the vlc libs. You have to track down the conflicts first, figure out which packages cannot live togther, from there you can figure out why. (I don't know a fast way to do this except apt-cach show <pgkname> and look for the conflicts line) |
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| 03:55.33 | bombadil_ | somiaj: any idea why my disks are changing from one /dev/ name to another each boot? |
| 03:55.56 | noonday | anyhow, all that information is enough I think, no more need for me to paste anything else |
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| 03:56.31 | somiaj | bombadil_: because the /dev/sd? are just assigned in the order the disks are detected. |
| 03:56.37 | somiaj | noonday: the idea is Miro is depending on some lib that conflicts with one of the vlc libs. You have to track down the conflicts first, figure out which packages cannot live togther, from there you can figure out why. (I don't know a fast way to do this except apt-cach show <pgkname> and look for the conflicts line) |
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| 03:57.02 | somiaj | noonday: actually it tells you excatlly which packages conflict with eachother, now try to figure out why. Also which version of debian are you running? |
| 03:57.28 | somiaj | bombadil_: its better to use UUID because those are consistant between boots and even if you unplug/replug a drive in that info is stored |
| 03:57.54 | bombadil_ | somiaj: thank you! |
| 03:59.04 | noonday | somiaj, I am actually running an obscure Debian-based distro, but I believe that it completely depends on Debian repositories. Anyhow, I will see if I can figure this out, thank you |
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| 03:59.56 | DammitJim | man, what a mess |
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| 04:04.33 | superstraw | somiaj: I've read ipv6 *may* be my problem, disabling it and rebooting (website said to reboot, meh) |
| 04:04.39 | superstraw | brb |
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| 04:08.55 | superstraw | mmkay wasn't ipv6.... |
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| 04:17.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats the good howto/doc website for debina |
| 04:17.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | debian |
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| 04:18.11 | RORgasm | hey guys |
| 04:18.13 | RORgasm | i'm trying to run a comet server on port 5222 on a new slice |
| 04:18.15 | jmarsden | Big_Brother: Yes. |
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| 04:18.36 | RORgasm | it will be able to accept and send requests on port 5222 to any outside source |
| 04:18.51 | RORgasm | anyone know how to do this with iptables? |
| 04:19.13 | superstraw | slice? bsd speak! |
| 04:19.19 | RORgasm | i'm sort of familiar with iptables but not entirely sure |
| 04:19.26 | RORgasm | lol |
| 04:19.57 | RORgasm | well...its on rackspace cloud...which is essentially a slice on slicehost (rackspace bought them and used it for their 'cloud' infrastructure about a year ago) |
| 04:20.50 | RORgasm | anyone? |
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| 04:26.18 | RORgasm | anyone around? need some help opening port 5222 on debian lenny |
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| 04:27.00 | gnarface | RORgasm: isn't the point of those fancy cloud toy servers that they have web consoles to do all that for you? |
| 04:27.13 | gnarface | RORgasm: there's a good chance its not allowed to run iptables |
| 04:27.20 | RORgasm | gnarface: yup :), but i'm actually using chunkhost |
| 04:27.31 | RORgasm | which is very barebones...no fancy stuff for you to use |
| 04:27.47 | gnarface | its still a vps though right? |
| 04:27.58 | RORgasm | however it is using rackspace cloud...you can select rackpasce vs ec2 vs something |
| 04:28.01 | RORgasm | yes |
| 04:28.03 | RORgasm | still a vps |
| 04:28.07 | RORgasm | iptables is installed |
| 04:28.22 | RORgasm | come with some barebones linux distro images |
| 04:28.33 | RORgasm | i chose squeeze i think |
| 04:28.49 | somiaj | its more likely a firewall on their system not your ow RORgasm |
| 04:28.58 | RORgasm | hmm |
| 04:29.01 | RORgasm | k |
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| 04:29.09 | somiaj | which they usually let you open ports via some web fireall utility. |
| 04:29.22 | RORgasm | yeah |
| 04:29.26 | RORgasm | they're still new |
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| 04:29.47 | RORgasm | so still pretty much do ure own thing..i'll ping them and see what there policies are regarding iptables |
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| 04:42.31 | superstraw | exit |
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| 05:04.57 | gnarface | aussa: it helps to know what wireless card you have first |
| 05:05.03 | mutante | aussa: lspci | grep Wireless |
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| 05:07.53 | mutante | aussa: after that you can use "lsmod" to try and find it, example "Atheros" = ath... |
| 05:08.09 | aussa | mutante, ok ty |
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| 06:01.25 | gnarface | bfig: i'm pretty sure the only appropriate way to solve this is with the pam module |
| 06:01.40 | gnarface | bfig: i mean with the pam module config docs |
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| 06:01.58 | gnarface | bfig: i can't help you in any more detail than that unfortunately. reading them is on my TODO for this week as well |
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| 06:26.28 | bombadil_ | i've installed unreal tournament as i wish to run a server. When i try to start the server i get an error: "error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 06:26.59 | bombadil_ | i've tried #find /usr/lib libX11.so.6 - nothing is found |
| 06:27.18 | somiaj | bombadil_: use apt-file or packages.debian.org to find the missing package |
| 06:27.23 | bombadil_ | i searched for a package that contains libX11.so.6 and found one. I tried to install it with aptitude but it did not install it |
| 06:27.27 | somiaj | bombadil_: its requirng an xlib which may not be installed on your server. |
| 06:27.31 | bombadil_ | i think it is already installed |
| 06:28.16 | somiaj | bombadil_: so libx11-6 is installed? |
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| 06:28.37 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i'm not sure. i tried to install it and it did not install. does that indicate it is alread present on the system ? |
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| 06:29.15 | somiaj | bombadil_: really depends on 'doesn't install' means, it could mean many things. It should tell you 'this package is already at the current version' if its installed |
| 06:29.24 | somiaj | bombadil_: dpkg -l | grep libx11-6 |
| 06:29.34 | somiaj | another option is, are you running an amd64 server? |
| 06:29.36 | bombadil_ | it says "no packages will be installed" |
| 06:29.43 | boudiccas | bombadil_; do 'sudo updatedb' and then when its done do 'locate foo' where foo os the program you're looking for |
| 06:29.49 | boudiccas | is |
| 06:30.19 | bombadil_ | libx11-6 IS installed |
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| 06:30.25 | bombadil_ | i used the commandy you gave somiaj |
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| 06:30.46 | bombadil_ | thank you as well, boudiccas |
| 06:30.55 | boudiccas | bombadil_; yw |
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| 06:31.38 | somiaj | bombadil_: are you on an amd64 server? |
| 06:31.42 | bombadil_ | i'm wondering if i need to somehow create a symbolic link to the file libX11.so.6 but i can't find the file in /usr/lib |
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| 06:32.04 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i'm running 64-bit debian, with a 64-bit intel processor |
| 06:32.19 | somiaj | bombadil_: you probabaly have a 32bit UT binary trying to link of of 32bit libs |
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| 06:32.37 | bombadil_ | Yes, i had to fool the installer into thinking i was running 32-bit linux. |
| 06:32.41 | somiaj | bombadil_: I thought UT had 64 bit binaries, but you can install ia32-libs package for the 32bit libs to run it in the compadability mode. |
| 06:33.01 | bombadil_ | it's the first UT, so i don't think there is a 64-bit installer |
| 06:33.07 | bombadil_ | is there a way to give the game the 32-bit libs ? |
| 06:33.20 | somiaj | bombadil_: 'install ia32-libs' as I just said. |
| 06:33.47 | bombadil_ | sorry i misread that, one moment. and thank you :) |
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| 06:35.00 | bombadil_ | somiaj: is the ia32-libs package specifically for creating 32-bit compatability? will it cause problems with other things on my server ? |
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| 06:35.47 | gnarface | bombadil_: yes, no |
| 06:36.00 | bombadil_ | thank you gnarface |
| 06:36.12 | bombadil_ | well, it loads now. but exits with a "exiting due to error" :) |
| 06:36.23 | bombadil_ | wonderfully vague so as to make troubleshooting nigh impossible |
| 06:36.42 | boudiccas | bombadil_; load it from the command line |
| 06:36.44 | gnarface | bombadil_: you should take a look at all the packages with names that start with ia32 or lib32 |
| 06:37.02 | bombadil_ | it is from the command line unfortunately |
| 06:37.06 | gnarface | bombadil_: you'll probably want several of them at least |
| 06:37.15 | gnarface | bombadil_: apt-cache search ^lib32 |
| 06:37.19 | boudiccas | bombadil_; strace ? |
| 06:37.24 | bombadil_ | gnarface, how to tell which? i am a bit reluctant to begin installing tons of packages willy nilly |
| 06:37.28 | gnarface | bombadil_: apt-cache search ^ia32 |
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| 06:37.59 | bombadil_ | boudiccas how would i use strace? |
| 06:38.12 | boudiccas | bombadil_; strace foo |
| 06:38.37 | gnarface | bombadil_: well which ones you need depends on the program using them, of course |
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| 06:44.29 | bombadil_ | boudiccas: strace says a great deal... tons of files not found |
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| 06:47.23 | bombadil_ | this is a huge mess. wow. i have never had such trouble getting UT to run on linux before. i wonder what i did wrong... |
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| 06:47.46 | bombadil_ | during the install i said "no" to installing OpenGL as the default renderer. i wonder if this could be the problem |
| 06:47.53 | bombadil_ | i chose no because i figure it would be extremely outdated |
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| 06:50.45 | ompaul | bombadil_: here is the deal, you install squeeze you get all the nice packages that squeeze has that work together, if you want to mix and match you will be accused of !sns problems (and most likely correctly), debian works as a single release, sometimes people mix that release up with other stuff, and they get a frankendebian, it may not really be very stable after they go messing around that like that. So when you think about it, if you want to chase |
| 06:50.46 | ompaul | the bleeding edge expect things to be mismatched and expect to be cut, they don't call it bleeding for nothing! ;-) |
| 06:51.06 | ompaul | !sns |
| 06:51.06 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 06:52.01 | ompaul | good luck with that |
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| 06:54.38 | bombadil_ | lol, ompaul! thanks for that. :) i just grabbed the latest debian net install CD because i wanted my system to be secure. But hey, here i am trying to install a game server from the 90s. what can i expect? |
| 06:54.55 | bombadil_ | it did work two years ago, but much has changed since then i am sure |
| 06:55.10 | somiaj | I just wish your error was more descriptive. |
| 06:55.17 | bombadil_ | me too, somiaj |
| 06:55.25 | bombadil_ | i could paste you the strace if you wish. tons of detail there... |
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| 06:55.40 | somiaj | I'm not very good at parsing that myself |
| 06:56.48 | bombadil_ | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/xskeMGFb |
| 06:56.54 | bombadil_ | well there it is none the less |
| 06:57.04 | bombadil_ | maybe someone else will see it who can make heads of tails of that |
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| 06:57.21 | joo | I have something running in Debian in a VirtualBox machine which I started from an SSH session... but I paused the machine for long enough for the connection to time out for my SSH client. If I unpause the machine, what will happen to the process? |
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| 06:58.31 | wols_ | joo: as soon as the controlling terminal from ssh stopped when the connection timed out, the process was ended |
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| 06:58.49 | joo | wols_, but the machine doesn't know the connection has timed out |
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| 06:58.51 | wols_ | joo: use nohup and screen next time |
| 06:58.54 | joo | It's still paused |
| 06:59.00 | wols_ | it knows as soon as you unpause it |
| 06:59.05 | joo | Okay. |
| 06:59.22 | joo | Is there a way to reconnect somehow? |
| 06:59.29 | wols_ | if you can provide the ssh connection again before unpausing (hard to fool the client into a connection), you can prevent it |
| 06:59.34 | joo | ...I suppose that is going off topic. |
| 06:59.41 | joo | Hmm. |
| 06:59.46 | somiaj | bombadil_: I think it tells you your error did you get a line that says "MissingIni before the error, sounds like it can't open its config file and then is erroring out. |
| 07:00.08 | bombadil_ | somiaj: it says that because i started the server with -nohomedir |
| 07:00.19 | bombadil_ | it ends with error even if i do not use that flag |
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| 07:00.58 | wols_ | then check strace again where it errors this time without this flag. do you actually have any ini file? |
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| 07:01.25 | bombadil_ | actually wait a sec. it gives that error no matter how i start it... hmmmm |
| 07:01.50 | dieck | Hi! Is there a problem with IPv6 and the archives? Err http://archive.debian.org etch/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:630:206:4000:1a1a:0:c13e:ca1c 80] or is it just my pc? |
| 07:02.17 | wols_ | no. it's that etch has been EOLed and removed from mirrors in 2010 |
| 07:02.41 | bombadil_ | wow, unrealtournament.ini is in fact missing! i have NO idea how/when it is supposedt to be created. i can copy one from my local machine though. let me see |
| 07:02.49 | somiaj | dieck: I think your missing a /debian at the end of your sources. |
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| 07:03.11 | wols_ | dieck: you really really need to upgrade at least to lenny. etch has no more security support and pretty much guaranteed has exploits against it. /msg dpkg etch sources.list if you still need a mirror |
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| 07:04.21 | somiaj | dieck: check your sources.list, is your line like "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
| 07:05.24 | dieck | wols_: I know, I'm actually reviving a very old PC here, and I WANT to upgrade, but I'm stuck at a Depends $version1 but $version2 is to be installed problem, so I thought about adding the old packages first, in order to resolve this |
| 07:05.50 | dieck | somiaj: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main exactly |
| 07:07.58 | wols_ | etch wasn't fully ipv6 ready afaik. maybe that's it? |
| 07:08.20 | bombadil_ | oh my goodness somiaj it got further this time (with the ini) ! i feel so silly |
| 07:08.31 | bombadil_ | but still fails. says a commandlet "server" is not found. i think i need to install a server pack... |
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| 07:08.46 | dieck | somiaj: ok, disabled ipv6 temporarily, works now |
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| 07:09.18 | dieck | so it's either my ipv6, or archive.debian.org, or the links between them |
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| 07:09.48 | dieck | I'd rather hope it's not mine, but that would be going into denial :) |
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| 07:18.27 | merlincorey | hello, long time no see old friends |
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| 07:19.22 | merlincorey | how does one go about (or does one at all?) installing a package in wheezy (testing) that apparently has a critical bug at the moment |
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| 07:20.44 | merlincorey | in my case, I want to install collectd, but it has a critical bug because it deletes the RRD files when you PURGE it; however, I don't plan to purge it, and if I do, I'll be sure to copy the files, should I need them |
| 07:21.04 | merlincorey | but basically, it doesn't show up in apt-cache and I can't apt-get install it either, but... oh I should try source package |
| 07:21.20 | merlincorey | yeah unable to find source package as well |
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| 07:21.48 | merlincorey | so basically, do I need to maybe take it from experimental or sid or something? or should I install it in some other way? |
| 07:23.17 | jelly-home | merlincorey: doesn't show up? Which debian release are you using? |
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| 07:23.29 | jelly-home | ,versions collectd |
| 07:23.29 | judd | Package: collectd on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.2-3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 4.10.1-1+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.10.1-1+squeeze2; sid: 4.10.1-2.1 |
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| 07:23.56 | merlincorey | jelly-home: as I said, I am in testing (wheezy) |
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| 07:24.18 | jelly-home | use the package from sid, then, if you need it |
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| 07:24.43 | merlincorey | yes, I do need it |
| 07:25.26 | merlincorey | is that -t sid? |
| 07:25.54 | dieck | ok, I wanted to go one step too far in upgrading a system. No packages from testing or sid were installed yet, but apt-get ran once (until it found an error). Now I removed the testing and sid lines, and have only stable left. |
| 07:26.00 | merlincorey | anyway thanks jelly-home |
| 07:26.07 | wols_ | only if you have sid in your sources.list. and if you do, then from then on, stuff gets installed from sid by default, unless you start pinning |
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| 07:26.23 | dieck | But I get libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.2-10) but 2.13-21 is to be installed. apt-cache policy shows there is an entry in /var/libdpkg/status -- can I somehow "reset" this file? |
| 07:26.43 | merlincorey | hmmm the value sid is invalid... |
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| 07:26.56 | jelly-home | merlincorey: it's "carefully enable repos for sid, see whether apt-get -s install collectd introduces other unwanted stuff, if it doesn't install it that way and remove sid repos from configuration" |
| 07:27.02 | merlincorey | ok so should I reread the sources.list / apt man pages and figure out how to do this for just this one package? |
| 07:27.11 | merlincorey | or should I just manually get the source package? |
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| 07:27.20 | merlincorey | I do have a full build environmnt on this host |
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| 07:27.35 | wols_ | merlincorey: you should manually get the .deb package, not the source. you can backport the source package if you really want to tho |
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| 07:27.40 | jelly-home | merlincorey: you may also enable deb-src repos for sid and do a backport |
| 07:27.50 | merlincorey | hmmms ok |
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| 07:28.04 | bombadil_ | okay, i have found a 64-bit installer for UT, did not expect to find this. so i am reinstalling. but the installer quits when looking for libgtk-1.2.so.0 |
| 07:28.07 | merlincorey | I think I'll get the .deb, that sounds straightforward enough |
| 07:28.11 | jelly-home | it's often not needed if the sid package fits neatly |
| 07:28.12 | merlincorey | thanks wols_, EduardeCalibal :) |
| 07:28.14 | bombadil_ | i tried searching with aptitude for libgtk-1.2 but could find nothir |
| 07:28.15 | merlincorey | errr jelly-home :P |
| 07:28.16 | bombadil_ | nothing |
| 07:28.17 | wols_ | dieck: check your apt log what it tried to install from testing |
| 07:28.18 | merlincorey | sorry EduardeCalibal :O |
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| 07:29.39 | merlincorey | sorry I transitioned to BSD for the past couple years so I am all into building stuff from source, but not like a gentoo user, just because that's how ports works :P~ |
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| 07:29.54 | merlincorey | yay .deb |
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| 07:35.57 | dieck | wols_: I'm not good at reading those logs, but it looks like only libc-bin is marked for the never version |
| 07:37.15 | userc | I have a problem with a Lavry DA11 usb audio not being detected on 6.0.2 (another usb audio is detected). Don't know what to do and can't find anything with google |
| 07:37.46 | userc | I tested on a macbook and it is detected... |
| 07:39.18 | wols_ | dieck: libc* packages are NEVER installed on their own. they are always installed as a dependency by something else |
| 07:39.37 | wols_ | dieck: reinstall the squeeze libc* packages manually |
| 07:39.58 | wols_ | userc: what is your actual problem? |
| 07:40.30 | userc | it is not detected ... |
| 07:40.54 | wols_ | and what usb audio chip do you have? and you said something else is detected, so which chip is detected instead? |
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| 07:42.56 | userc | wols_, lsusb gives Bus 001 Device 009: ID 1341:0001 |
| 07:44.12 | userc | wols_, I meant another usb audio dac is detected |
| 07:44.33 | userc | ^as in I have 2 |
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| 07:45.27 | wols_ | userc: http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards |
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| 07:46.14 | wols_ | userc: /proc/asound/cards is the first file to check |
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| 07:49.38 | dieck | wols_: looks like manually installing did the trick, thanks |
| 07:50.11 | dieck | ah, now upgrade works again :) |
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| 07:52.08 | ineedarobot | anyone managed to install xapian for squeeze? |
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| 07:53.47 | wols_ | ,versions xapian |
| 07:53.47 | judd | No package named 'xapian' was found in i386. |
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| 07:54.52 | ineedarobot | ,versions libxapian22 |
| 07:54.52 | judd | Package: libxapian22 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo60+3; sid: 1.2.7-1; wheezy: 1.2.7-1 |
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| 07:55.33 | ineedarobot | I installed libxapian22 (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libxapian22) |
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| 07:56.09 | ineedarobot | and I installed python-xapian but my python app cannot see xapian |
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| 08:23.49 | EvilDevil20 | Hello, can anyone comment on if debian will stay on the Gnome based desktop? |
| 08:24.00 | PerfDave | Debian isn't "on" the Gnome-based desktop |
| 08:24.15 | PerfDave | Debian includes Gnome, KDE, LXDE, twm etc. etc. etc. |
| 08:24.24 | PerfDave | And has installers for the first three of those |
| 08:24.47 | EvilDevil20 | PerfDave: Basically what I mean is "Will Gnome start pushing Unity like Ubuntu as it's main GUI" ? |
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| 08:25.20 | petern__ | i thought gnome didn't much like unity? |
| 08:25.26 | PerfDave | EvilDevil20: That's not a Debian question, that's a Gnome question. If Gnome pushes Unity as its GUI, then Debian will package upstream Gnome, I expect. |
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| 08:26.08 | petern__ | so some people think linux distributions are tied to a particular desktop environment? |
| 08:26.19 | PerfDave | petern__: Some are more tied than others |
| 08:26.20 | EvilDevil20 | PerfDave: I see. Anyway, is there any repos you would need to add to debian to make it a 'good desktop' OS ? |
| 08:26.27 | PerfDave | EvilDevil20: No |
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| 08:26.32 | buhman_ | is there any particular reason why it would take an insane amount of time to log into a sshd? |
| 08:26.40 | petern__ | reverse dns lookup |
| 08:26.45 | jelly-home | petern__: yes, thus the choice of default DE is rather important |
| 08:26.51 | petern__ | or the system is heavily loaded |
| 08:27.10 | buhman_ | petern__: dns is not involved here at all |
| 08:27.15 | wols_ | petern__: considering gnome is developing gnome-shell in contrast to unity, I very much doubt they will use unity any time soon |
| 08:27.23 | buhman_ | petern__: (shouldn't be...) |
| 08:27.24 | petern__ | wols_, 's what i thought |
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| 08:27.47 | wols_ | buhman_: how do you know? |
| 08:28.03 | buhman_ | wols_: how would I know? |
| 08:28.21 | wols_ | you asserted dns is not involved. so how do you know this? |
| 08:28.55 | buhman_ | petern__: load averages are ~0.02 |
| 08:29.30 | buhman_ | wols_: because it's in my LAN just a few routers away |
| 08:29.42 | buhman_ | WAN* |
| 08:29.47 | buhman_ | campus-network |
| 08:30.09 | wols_ | that doesn't matter. ssh still tries a reverse dns lookup |
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| 08:30.29 | buhman_ | wols_: well it wouldn't resolve to anything... how can I disable that? |
| 08:30.45 | wols_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+reverse+dns+lookup |
| 08:31.36 | jelly-home | buhman_: hunt for dns in sshd_config manual |
| 08:32.17 | wols_ | jelly-home: the google search has tons of howtos for that on the first page |
| 08:32.32 | buhman_ | wols_: :S that appears to have worked... |
| 08:33.46 | buhman_ | seems like an odd thing to be enabled by default... |
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| 08:34.54 | zykes- | if a ext4 has "lost journal" how can i recover from that ? it tells me that the fs is now a ext2 fs when running fsck.ext4 |
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| 08:35.14 | wols_ | recreate the journal? |
| 08:35.29 | zykes- | wols_: how ? :| |
| 08:35.43 | zykes- | fsck.ext4 -fyC0 ? |
| 08:35.58 | jelly-home | buhman_: it's also an odd thing not to have DNS working for your servers |
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| 08:36.33 | buhman_ | jelly-home: well just not in the internal-zone... it's complicated and I don't control 99% of the hardware involved |
| 08:36.55 | wols_ | zykes-: tune2fs. not fsck the device but recreate the journal |
| 08:37.32 | zykes- | what parameters wols_ ? |
| 08:37.48 | wols_ | -J ? |
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| 08:38.05 | wols_ | well, -j rather |
| 08:39.23 | zykes- | found it |
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| 08:43.16 | buhman_ | this is quite bizzare |
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| 08:43.28 | buhman_ | I just walked over to another machine, tried to ssh that same server again, and I get the slowness... |
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| 08:44.02 | buhman_ | I started attempting to create the session what must have been 5 minutes ago and it's still just sitting there... |
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| 08:46.21 | StucKman | is there a tool that reverses the input? like «echo foobarbaz | reverse» gives «zabraboff» |
| 08:47.04 | StucKman | zabraboof* |
| 08:47.26 | zykes- | wols_: and after that do a fsck ? |
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| 08:47.58 | buhman_ | StucKman: "zabraboof"; that should be in some intro-programming manual :P |
| 08:48.30 | llutz | StucKman: echo foobarbaz | rev |
| 08:48.36 | buhman_ | or 'zab' 'rab' and 'oof' |
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| 08:55.05 | inad922 | hello |
| 08:55.30 | inad922 | How do I get which package a given file belongs to? |
| 08:55.39 | Argafal | Hi folks. Could someone please point me towards a howto Hardware-RAID? I have a SiS RAID bus controller 180, with two drives connected to it, set up in the bios of the RAID controller as RAID1. Still I see both discs being used independently after booting, so I am wondering how to fix that. It's the first time I try to set-up a RAID, hence a pointer for some manual would be great. Google returns a huge amount, most of it dealing with software RAIDs or wit |
| 08:55.51 | StucKman | llutz: tx |
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| 08:56.10 | Argafal | inad922: I think there is a dpkg -S for that. |
| 08:56.24 | inad922 | Thanks Argafal |
| 08:56.32 | Argafal | inad922: Only works for installed packages, I think. |
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| 08:56.58 | Argafal | If you need to find a file in a package that you have not installed you can use packages.debian.org, very bottom has a search for filenames in packages. |
| 08:57.02 | inad922 | Yea but it's ok I just wanted to check for an installed package's file and it worked |
| 08:57.08 | llutz | "apt-file search " works on not-installed packages too |
| 08:57.09 | Argafal | inad922: Happy to hear that. |
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| 08:57.16 | inad922 | :) |
| 08:57.21 | Argafal | llutz: cool, didn't know that, thanks. |
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| 09:13.50 | inad922 | If I want to create a package for myself and I want this package to create a database in my mysql server how can I manage to do that in my postinst file? |
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| 09:21.25 | babilen | !tell inad922 -about mentors |
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| 09:22.08 | p3rror | hello |
| 09:22.18 | p3rror | i need to install ettercap from source |
| 09:22.25 | babilen | ok |
| 09:22.33 | p3rror | and i dont need to install gtk version |
| 09:22.53 | p3rror | please can you tell me how can i make it |
| 09:23.03 | p3rror | i see and option in .configure |
| 09:23.14 | p3rror | named --without-PACKAGE |
| 09:23.21 | p3rror | may be it is usefull |
| 09:23.25 | babilen | !tell p3rror -about package recompile |
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| 09:23.34 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 09:24.04 | rocketmagnet | i've a question: how are the tools named that display system information on the X11 background image ?? |
| 09:24.17 | rocketmagnet | like the system load and the number of logged in users ? |
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| 09:24.55 | babilen | rocketmagnet: You might be thinking of conky -- See http://www.linuxandlife.com/2011/09/beautiful-conky-linux.html for examples |
| 09:25.15 | wols_ | conky, super karamba, |
| 09:25.35 | rocketmagnet | babilen: have these kind of apps a special name ? |
| 09:25.49 | babilen | rocketmagnet: conky is the name of the program |
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| 09:26.04 | rocketmagnet | i know, but how is the kind of app named |
| 09:26.12 | rocketmagnet | so i can search also for other apps that do the same |
| 09:26.29 | babilen | rocketmagnet: Those "apps" could be called screenlets, widgets, ... and other things. But the website I linked exemplifies different conky setups |
| 09:26.48 | rocketmagnet | ah ok - ty |
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| 09:32.50 | rocketmagnet | babilen: thank you ! |
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| 09:45.14 | antgel | hi all. running testing on my desktop. whenever my machine returns from suspend, the hard disk light on the pc stays on. it seems to behave pretty normally, but how can i get to the bottom of this? worried that my hard disks will somehow wear out before their time. |
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| 10:15.11 | hay | hi all... I am unable to find an appropriate ISC-DHCPd channel but perhaps some of you will know the answer: I would like to log "pure" option agent.remote-id value or get more information about it since I am planning to use it as a classificator in the host declaration... how can I do it? thx |
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| 10:18.02 | antgel | hi all. running testing on my desktop. whenever my machine returns from suspend, the hard disk light on the pc stays on. it seems to behave pretty normally, but how can i get to the bottom of this? worried that my hard disks will somehow wear out before their time. |
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| 10:19.57 | themill | antgel: suspend to ram or to disk? |
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| 10:20.50 | antgel | themill: hi, to ram |
| 10:21.39 | themill | antgel: hmm... can't say I've ever seen that. Does "iotop" give you an indication of what's doing the IO? e.g. is it some file indexing thing going mad? (ltns!) |
| 10:23.03 | antgel | themill: i'll try iotop, never heard of it. top doesn't report anything very interesting |
| 10:23.22 | themill | ,info iotop |
| 10:23.23 | judd | Package iotop (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: simple top-like I/O monitor. Version: 0.4-2; Size: 25.6k; Installed: 164k; Homepage: http://guichaz.free.fr/iotop/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iotop |
| 10:23.53 | antgel | wow, there's a new bot here. long time since i've been here :) |
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| 10:25.55 | antgel | all pretty quiet on the iotop front, nice program themill |
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| 10:27.47 | antgel | now trying the --accumulated option, very useful |
| 10:27.50 | dsdeiz | hey, built and installed rxvt-unicode-256color on squeeze. the termName it has is rxvt-unicode-256color. when i try to run screen, screen says $TERM is too long. any ideas? |
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| 10:31.11 | wols_ | set it to another term variable? |
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| 10:31.54 | jaakkos | is anyone else with Linux 3.0 or later, using the 'iwlagn' driver with Intel Centrino, having data corruption issues that even get past the TCP CRC? eg., SSH client might die as follows: Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input.; Packet corrupt. |
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| 10:32.05 | jaakkos | if iwlagn is loaded with swcrypto=1, this is extremely easy to reproduce. |
| 10:32.22 | wols_ | dsdeiz: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=112620 for example |
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| 10:33.44 | dsdeiz | ahh awesome, thanks. |
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| 10:35.51 | p0g0 | jaakkos: you might run that past folks in #linux-wireless. |
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| 10:36.36 | jaakkos | p0g0: thanks, couldn't figure out this channel! |
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| 10:41.46 | babilen | dsdeiz: That is a well known bug in screen -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491812 |
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| 10:57.57 | antgel | do my free stats at http://paste.debian.net/132579/ look like i could do with some more real ram? i can see it's using all my 2GB plus nearly 1GB swap, i'm just not sure how much of that is for caching etc, not actually running out of memory. it's a 64-bit desktop running gnome and chromium, does feel sluggish most of the time. processor is athlon 64 x2 5200+ |
| 10:58.36 | antgel | oh, and load average: 0.46, 0.72, 0.85 |
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| 11:00.05 | petern__ | yup |
| 11:00.50 | antgel | petern__: was that for me? :) |
| 11:00.55 | petern__ | yup |
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| 11:01.12 | petern__ | it says how much is being used for caching. only 138MB |
| 11:01.29 | antgel | is my load average: 0.63, 0.69, 0.82 (now) not insanely high for a desktop? |
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| 11:01.46 | petern__ | it will be high if it's swapping a lot |
| 11:02.01 | antgel | i wonder if running 64-bit linux was a good idea, i don't think i even really benefit from it |
| 11:02.56 | antgel | heads to crucial.com |
| 11:03.27 | petemc | how could a load average less than 1 ever be called insanely high? |
| 11:03.44 | antgel | petern__: thanks. do you think moving to 32-bit environment would help the memory usage? |
| 11:04.13 | wols_ | antgel: not to the amount you'd need to make a dent |
| 11:04.25 | antgel | petemc: well, when you don't have any reference point because you have used linux for 15 years but never noticed the load average... |
| 11:04.28 | wols_ | what do you run that you use 2GB+ of memory? VMs? |
| 11:04.56 | blip2 | apache >_> |
| 11:05.11 | wols_ | antgel: load average simply means "is there a process waiting for cpu right now". and unless this average is 1 or above, there isn't |
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| 11:05.26 | wols_ | blip2: he said "desktop" |
| 11:05.49 | blip2 | *scrolls* |
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| 11:08.52 | antgel | wols_: this desktop is currently running... gnome, firefox (no tabs), chromium (15 tabs), and various server processes from development work. |
| 11:08.52 | antgel | hmm, according to top, one of my chromium processes is at 36.5 %MEM |
| 11:08.52 | antgel | ugh, this wireless USB dongle is so unreliable on linux. don't know what messages got through to the channel |
| 11:08.53 | antgel | last message i saw was wols_ explaining load average |
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| 11:11.14 | antgel | well, that was a fail. can somebody please let me know what message was my last that got through? |
| 11:11.29 | antgel | my USB wireless dongle is so unreliable under linux it kills me |
| 11:12.00 | wols_ | no it's not your usb dongle. 0 -!- antgel was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste] |
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| 11:13.36 | antgel | wols_: how strange. my internet definitely went down and i had to ifdown / ifup and replug it, and i hadn't pasted anything in the channel. not on purpose anyway. ;) |
| 11:14.02 | antgel | 14:06 antgel> wols_: this desktop is currently running... gnome, firefox (no tabs), chromium (15 tabs), and various server processes from development work. |
| 11:14.05 | antgel | 14:06 antgel> hmm, according to top, one of my chromium processes is at 36.5 %MEM |
| 11:15.17 | antgel | right, my 6 google docs tabs seem to use 740MB. :( i'll close them and see what happens |
| 11:15.27 | antgel | and i thought chromium was easier on ram than iceweasel ;) |
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| 11:15.56 | wols_ | you use a office package written in javascript and html basically, and you are surprised? |
| 11:16.17 | antgel | and chromium has crashed! |
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| 11:17.11 | antgel | wols_: well, i didn't look into how it was implemented. iceweasel runs like a pig with all the tabs i use, so i thought i'd try another alternative |
| 11:17.26 | antgel | wols_: ah, i see you mean GDocs |
| 11:17.57 | antgel | well, i *assumed* that google would have done enough market research to make sure it ran on a reasonable spec machine |
| 11:18.20 | antgel | it's way lower now though, must be massive memory leaks |
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| 11:20.47 | bitobeat | re |
| 11:22.01 | dedbef_ | CIA-google |
| 11:22.05 | dedbef_ | ;) |
| 11:23.00 | bitobeat | i need a little a help , i expanded a raidstorage under a debian system and rescaned with /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan. i see in the new size of the volume in dmesg, but i dont in the system like cfdisk |
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| 11:24.16 | dedbef_ | http://www.infowars.com/facebook-google-are-cia-fronts/ ;) |
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| 11:24.53 | themill | dedbef_: do you have a debian user-support question we can help you with? |
| 11:25.25 | babilen | dedbef_: Please go somewhere else - This channel is for Debian support. |
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| 11:25.41 | antgel | wow, still kooks on irc then :) |
| 11:25.52 | themill | antgel: permasunday... |
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| 11:26.02 | jelly | bitobeat: the upper layers won't see the change until all usage of that LUN is stopped. That means mounted partitions, swap partitions, LVM PVs, anything |
| 11:26.03 | antgel | themill: heh |
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| 11:26.45 | dirtycookie | hi i have an eeePC where the latest debian is installed, the eeepc has sdcard slot where u SHOULD be able to read them upon inserting a card it doesnt get mounted automatically, so i try to mount it via console but the mount command tries to mount it, but doesnt succeeds because i aborted the command. Basically i need help in mounting a sdcard |
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| 11:28.12 | PerfDave | dirtycookie: What do you mean by "The latest debian"? |
| 11:28.27 | dirtycookie | 6.0 |
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| 11:29.02 | bitobeat | jelly: ah thx, and there anyway to do it with opened volumes? so this is a main sqlserv i cant reboot or stop the sertvice on it :/ |
| 11:29.17 | dirtycookie | PerfDave: 6.0 |
| 11:29.22 | babilen | dirtycookie: Can you see the card in the output of "dmesg|tail -n 23" when you insert it? Could you paste that output as well as your attempts to mount it to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 11:29.37 | dirtycookie | babilen: 1 sec |
| 11:29.40 | babilen | sure |
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| 11:30.09 | jelly | bitobeat: only if you used it directly, without any partitions |
| 11:30.55 | dirtycookie | babilen: here u go http://pastebin.com/cc5TPEdD |
| 11:31.25 | dirtycookie | babilen: command would be "mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt" |
| 11:31.27 | wols_ | dirtycookie: and the mount command you tried with its output? |
| 11:31.39 | wols_ | dirtycookie: file -s /dev/sdc1 |
| 11:31.44 | dirtycookie | wols_: yes |
| 11:31.51 | dirtycookie | wols_: wait |
| 11:31.53 | bitobeat | jelly: in my vg i used 3 pvs which i expanded /dev/sdb is a single dev without any partition table |
| 11:32.08 | babilen | dirtycookie: You might also want to install pmount and try using that. Please paste the complete output of the mount command (pmount too) |
| 11:33.00 | dirtycookie | babilen: ok, will do. back to the command from wols_, the command hangs (is not dead) |
| 11:33.07 | babilen | dirtycookie: The output of "mount" after those commands would also be interesting ... pmount would be used like "pmount /dev/sdc1 sdcard" (you could use another name for the mountpoint in lieu of "sdcard") |
| 11:33.14 | jelly | bitobeat: oh! In that case you should be able to pvresize each of them, if they were grown |
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| 11:34.02 | babilen | dirtycookie: Ok, so the command hangs indefinitely and does not fail with an error? Anything relevant in dmesg when that happens? (you know the drill â http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 11:34.04 | amphi | dirtycookie: the device, at least here, is /dev/mmcblk0p1/ - it's worth looking at the log, as sometimes the driver barfs, and I need to remove and re-modprobe the modules, and reinsert the card for it to be mountable |
| 11:34.26 | jelly | bitobeat: I've heard of cases where an online pvresize went bad, but never actually experienced it myself |
| 11:34.39 | jelly | Works For Me |
| 11:34.41 | babilen | dirtycookie: "file /dev/sdc1" would be worth a look too |
| 11:34.48 | dirtycookie | 1 SEC PLS |
| 11:34.56 | dirtycookie | ok the output of mount is here |
| 11:34.58 | dirtycookie | http://paste.debian.net/132584/ |
| 11:35.09 | wols_ | babilen: didn't he say that it hangs? and sdc1 is a special file, so -s is needed |
| 11:35.39 | babilen | ack |
| 11:36.00 | dirtycookie | pmount is being installed plz hang on |
| 11:36.07 | amphi | dirtycookie: /dev/sdb is the card? |
| 11:36.13 | bitobeat | jelly: pvresize just see the 300GB not the new site of 900GB i tried to resize it, that was what pvresize said to me: WARNING: /dev/sdb: Overriding real size. You could lose data. |
| 11:36.24 | wols_ | amphi: < dirtycookie> babilen: here u go http://pastebin.com/cc5TPEdD |
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| 11:36.31 | babilen | dirtycookie: It looks as it is /dev/sdc (from the truncated dmesg output) |
| 11:36.35 | jelly | bitobeat: which kernel and Debian release is this? |
| 11:37.02 | jelly | bitobeat: you'll have to schedule some downtime and reboot, then |
| 11:37.04 | bitobeat | jelly: 2.6.26-2-amd64 , 5.0.8 |
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| 11:37.18 | amphi | wols_: yeah, I looked, thus my question about sdb |
| 11:37.23 | bitobeat | ah fraid of this :) |
| 11:37.46 | babilen | dirtycookie: And "file -s /dev/sdc1" too (all in a single paste) |
| 11:37.50 | dirtycookie | output of pmount: http://paste.debian.net/132585/ |
| 11:38.06 | jelly | bitobeat: does blockdev --getsize or --getsize64 /dev/sdb show the new size? |
| 11:38.14 | amphi | wols_: oops, sorry, different paste |
| 11:38.19 | babilen | dirtycookie: That is not the output of "pmount /dev/sdc1 sdcard" |
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| 11:38.35 | babilen | wols_: Thanks for the -s reminder |
| 11:38.44 | dirtycookie | babilen: no but back from the first time you asked me to run pmount |
| 11:39.17 | dirtycookie | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/132586/ |
| 11:39.17 | babilen | dirtycookie: Just put it all in one paste -- That really makes it easier for us to follow. (along with the commands) |
| 11:39.30 | dirtycookie | babilen: ok will do |
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| 11:40.05 | bitobeat | jelly: blockdev shows the old size , but if it's too hard or heavy i think i preprare a fast reboot it,1s better than do the whole expand in downtime |
| 11:40.24 | babilen | dirtycookie: Ah -- What is the content of that sdcard? What does "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" give you? |
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| 11:41.18 | dirtycookie | babilen: wiat.... it is hanging |
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| 11:41.47 | babilen | dirtycookie: You most likely need NTFS -- I would recommend ntfs-3g |
| 11:41.56 | babilen | !tell dirtycookie -about ntfsrw |
| 11:41.58 | babilen | !tell dirtycookie -about ntfs |
| 11:42.12 | dirtycookie | babilen: what about it? |
| 11:42.53 | jelly | bitobeat: yeah, if you can't see the new size with blockdev after echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdb/device/rescan, you're out of luck |
| 11:43.24 | dirtycookie | jelly: i need to format it to something other than ntfs |
| 11:43.47 | dirtycookie | ?? |
| 11:43.59 | jelly | miscompletion strikes again |
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| 11:46.03 | zW | Hi. |
| 11:46.21 | babilen | dirtycookie: What is the content of that sdcard? What is the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" ? |
| 11:46.25 | zW | Can someone tell me what the best way is for having a 5.5 mysql version on squeeze ? |
| 11:46.31 | zW | I always use packages |
| 11:46.55 | dirtycookie | bablien: content is .m4a and pdf files |
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| 11:47.24 | wols_ | dirtycookie: "content" as in "what partitions and and filesystems" |
| 11:47.27 | babilen | dirtycookie: Data that you do not want to see deleted? What is the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" ? |
| 11:47.56 | dirtycookie | babilen: no, just a sec im backing up the card |
| 11:48.07 | babilen | how? |
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| 11:48.39 | dirtycookie | babilen: in a windows pc |
| 11:48.43 | babilen | dirtycookie: What do you want to do with that card? What is the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" (you might notice a recurring theme in my questions) |
| 11:50.59 | dirtycookie | babilen: i want to used the card for memory expansion since the eeePC has only 4gb. the command "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" hangs |
| 11:54.02 | babilen | dirtycookie: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" ? |
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| 11:55.27 | dirtycookie | babilen: 1 sec |
| 11:57.23 | dirtycookie | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/132588/ |
| 11:58.08 | dirtycookie | babilen: you will not believe me, after executing lspci.... command i inserted the sdcard and it got mounted automaticallt |
| 11:58.09 | dirtycookie | y |
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| 12:00.32 | depressed | hello |
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| 12:00.39 | dirtycookie | hi |
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| 12:01.50 | babilen | dirtycookie: hmm :-/ -- You might want to try fdisk -l again and create a new filesystem on it. |
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| 12:05.40 | Ar0z | hi all |
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| 12:17.15 | Psychonaut | Is it possible to set multiple groups permission to a folder at Linux? |
| 12:17.30 | Ash-Fox | Yes. |
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| 12:19.09 | joltcan | Psychonaut: There are ACL's for advanced permissions |
| 12:19.35 | Psychonaut | ACLs at samba, for sample? |
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| 12:20.15 | buhman__ | I want my kernel.org back |
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| 12:22.08 | Ash-Fox | Psychonaut, the Linux kernel has had built in ACL support for a while now. See setfacl and getfacl commands |
| 12:22.40 | Psychonaut | [Ash-Fox]: ok... |
| 12:22.47 | Psychonaut | thanks, ill search about it. |
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| 12:24.25 | lenswipe | hey guys i got a debian install here saying that ucode16_mimo.fw is missing |
| 12:24.30 | lenswipe | how do i locate said firmware and install it |
| 12:25.07 | seb82 | lenswipe, aptitude search |
| 12:25.15 | lenswipe | its saying that i can use a USB key or removable media but idk where to get them |
| 12:25.19 | lenswipe | seb82: this is a new install |
| 12:25.21 | lenswipe | how do i do that? |
| 12:25.42 | jelly | lenswipe: are you in the installer? |
| 12:25.45 | lenswipe | yes |
| 12:25.49 | seb82 | lenswipe aptitude search ucode16 |
| 12:25.49 | lenswipe | Graphical Installer |
| 12:25.55 | lenswipe | where do i type that? |
| 12:26.06 | lenswipe | what do i do to drop into a termainL? |
| 12:26.13 | jelly | lenswipe: the easiest thing is probably to use the unofficial installer images with firmware already present |
| 12:26.13 | themill | makes seb82 try that |
| 12:26.14 | lenswipe | CTRL + ALT + F* ? |
| 12:26.28 | seb82 | can you leave the firmware for now... |
| 12:26.55 | lenswipe | im using kumoto |
| 12:27.08 | jelly | lenswipe: what's kumoto |
| 12:27.20 | somiaj | what is asking for the firmware, I can't seem to find any packages with that file on packages.debian.org lenswipe |
| 12:27.26 | lenswipe | jelly: backport |
| 12:27.37 | lenswipe | somiaj: so where do i get the firmware? |
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| 12:27.44 | jelly | lenswipe: a backport of what to which release? |
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| 12:28.13 | lenswipe | jelly: seb82 it should be noted that i cant use aptitude search because the driver is for the wireless card |
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| 12:28.28 | wols_ | broadcom firmware... |
| 12:29.00 | seb82 | lenswipe, I understand your problem as I have the same while installing debian... can't you use a cable to install? |
| 12:29.26 | lenswipe | wols_: YEP |
| 12:29.33 | lenswipe | seb82: im just trying that |
| 12:29.38 | lenswipe | im at college though lol so it might not work |
| 12:29.55 | somiaj | lenswipe: who did you install this driver, also can't seem to find any package kumoto in packages.debian.org either. |
| 12:30.00 | somiaj | s/who/how/ |
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| 12:30.26 | abrotman | lenswipe: what is "cat /proc/version" ? |
| 12:30.36 | lenswipe | uh... hang on |
| 12:30.55 | dirtycookie | babillen:hello again, i restarted my pc couple times and then got a external cardreader, and guess what.... it works fine |
| 12:31.03 | dirtycookie | automounted it everything |
| 12:32.13 | jelly | decides to decipher "kumoto" as "kmuto" |
| 12:32.31 | jelly | things become SO MUCH CLEARER |
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| 12:33.52 | seb82 | i'm trying to set up a debian in chroot, to run standalone on a external drive. While following the debian guide on how to do this... certain things fail... it is possible to reboot a chrooted system? |
| 12:33.52 | kuene | does some one know a good free IP, DNS and DHCP Management web-gui tool? |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | vi? |
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| 12:34.45 | kuene | abrotman, its not for me, but for my boss ;) |
| 12:35.13 | themill | kuene: vimtutor; vim |
| 12:35.26 | flg77 | @kuene give webmin a try .. |
| 12:35.35 | abrotman | kuene: ajaxterm + vi? :) |
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| 12:35.49 | kuene | abrotman, lol |
| 12:36.12 | Bushmills | kuene: stick openwrt into a router? |
| 12:36.14 | jelly | ajaxwhat |
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| 12:36.27 | abrotman | jelly: webby terminal |
| 12:36.34 | lenswipe | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/TzcqS9tq |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | kuene: dtc or something ? |
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| 12:37.10 | abrotman | lenswipe: it was supposed to be one line .. you could have just told me in here .. |
| 12:37.16 | jelly | captcha image: ZUG |
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| 12:38.04 | lenswipe | abrotman: hmm |
| 12:38.07 | lenswipe | so yeah |
| 12:38.10 | lenswipe | about this linux instal |
| 12:38.17 | abrotman | uh oh |
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| 12:39.01 | jelly | lenswipe: install over wire and deal with firmware for wireless later |
| 12:39.27 | lenswipe | yeah thats what im doing |
| 12:39.50 | kuene | abrotman, will have a look at dtc. thnx |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | kuene: in short .. you want something like that .. |
| 12:42.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kuene about free whcp |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | kuene: see that URL |
| 12:43.14 | kuene | abrotman, hm... I do not really know what the hell my boss really wants. but he wants to make dns-enries and watch his dhcp leases and track the ips... |
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| 12:43.25 | Axioplase_ | Hi. |
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| 12:44.12 | abrotman | kuene: is this an ISP? |
| 12:44.15 | kuene | abrotman, what is whcp? Westfield Homeless Cat Project??? |
| 12:44.43 | Axioplase_ | After a bad upgrade from stable to testing, I have some problems with packages⦠Is there a way to find (and remove) all packages installed that are not available in repositories for testing? |
| 12:44.54 | kuene | abrotman, no we are a university |
| 12:45.05 | abrotman | Web Hosting Control Panel |
| 12:45.18 | abrotman | kuene: uhm .. the uni has an admin or three? shouldn't they be doing that stuff? |
| 12:45.30 | wols_ | Axioplase_: what problems exactly? and I am skeptical that your intended solution solves the problem |
| 12:45.56 | wols_ | abrotman: but then the boss would be dependent on his underlings. that's no good for him |
| 12:46.08 | seb82 | can you reboot a system running in chroot? |
| 12:46.38 | wols_ | seb82: chroots have no kernel, hence cannot reboot |
| 12:46.53 | seb82 | and when I have installed a kernel... |
| 12:46.56 | Axioplase_ | wols_: A lot of errors like "I wasn't able to locate a file for name-the-package". |
| 12:46.59 | lenswipe | yawns |
| 12:47.05 | kuene | abrotman, yeah. i am one of the three and I am doing that stuff. but my boss wants to do it to and he threatens to buy a commercial appliance blackbox |
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| 12:47.17 | wols_ | !tell Axioplase_ about bat |
| 12:47.37 | seb82 | as apposed in the Debian Guide: Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System |
| 12:47.39 | abrotman | kuene: weird boss ... |
| 12:47.46 | kuene | abrotman, so I try to find a free product that I am happy with and he is too ;) |
| 12:48.03 | Axioplase_ | wols_: Ok, I'll try to give you that, thanks. |
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| 12:48.18 | kuene | abrotman, is that not how bosses are? |
| 12:48.20 | abrotman | kuene: anyway .. there are plenty of ways .. check some of those hosting panels .. they can certainly do DNS >. not sure about the dhcp stuff, but you could write a script to do that for you i would imagine .. as long as he's not changing dhcp stuffs |
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| 12:51.25 | wols_ | Axioplase_: the important error is the first one you ever encountered. the following ones are usually meaningles |
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| 12:51.36 | lenswipe | guys im having issues with network mirros |
| 12:51.40 | lenswipe | im getting bad network mirror |
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| 12:51.55 | lenswipe | im pointing at my HTTP proxy but all the mirrors give me "Bad network error" |
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| 12:51.59 | lenswipe | anyone care to comment on that? |
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| 12:53.09 | Bushmills | no, not really |
| 12:53.17 | lenswipe | nvm i fixed it :D |
| 12:55.44 | Axioplase_ | wols_: they all are the same. The paste is coming |
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| 12:57.29 | ayambit | How do I make to make a user on a remote box in such a way that using this username I can only ssh into this remote box with public key, and make this user with emtpy password for this user and disable local (console) logon? |
| 12:57.38 | Axioplase_ | wols_: here you go http://paste.debian.net/132597 |
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| 13:00.00 | wols_ | ,versions libgtksourceview-common |
| 13:00.01 | judd | Package: libgtksourceview-common on i386 -- lenny: 1.8.5-1 |
| 13:00.22 | wols_ | Axioplase_: what was this debian install before you tried to upgrade to testing? |
| 13:00.39 | Axioplase_ | wols_: an up-to-date stable |
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| 13:00.47 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 13:01.04 | wols_ | Axioplase_: not with packages that are only available in lenny. |
| 13:01.06 | Azrael_- | last time i restored a machine from backup with totally new hardware i had some problems. the raid and lvm-ids and guids didn't fit anymore, so did the mac. is there a good howto that gives an overview/guidance around most possible problems? |
| 13:01.33 | Psychonaut | can i give permission to a user to reboot the system but not to shutdown? |
| 13:01.39 | wols_ | Axioplase_: remove libgtksourceview-common |
| 13:02.10 | Axioplase_ | wols_: yes, that's what I want to do, but there are *dozens* of such packages, and I discover them one after the other. |
| 13:02.21 | Axioplase_ | wols_: I want to find them all at once, so I can get rid of them |
| 13:02.33 | wols_ | then do a dist upgrade |
| 13:02.36 | Axioplase_ | That's my initial question⦠|
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| 13:03.32 | wols_ | Axioplase_: is there any reason why you can't do one? |
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| 13:04.05 | wols_ | !tell Axioplase_ about install gnome |
| 13:04.25 | Axioplase_ | wols_: I can remove them, but the only way to find them is to try to update everything. Then, aptitude finds one, prints the error, and stops. I remove it manually and restart the procedure. |
| 13:04.38 | Axioplase_ | wols_: It takes hours⦠|
| 13:05.01 | wols_ | Axioplase_: have you actualy DONE what I suggested? |
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| 13:05.29 | Bushmills | Psychonaut: you can bind reboot to ctrl-alt-del |
| 13:05.32 | wols_ | Axioplase_: you misuse apt badly and then complain when it breaks |
| 13:05.36 | Axioplase_ | wols_: remove the package and full-upgrade? Yes, at least 50 times yesterday on the previous 50 such packages. |
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| 13:05.56 | wols_ | "'m reinstalling little by little, after doing aptitude upgrade from stable |
| 13:05.57 | wols_ | % to testing, instead of full-upgrade. It seems to have broken many" |
| 13:06.09 | wols_ | and you don#t need to reinstall. you need to INSTALL. different thing |
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| 13:06.42 | Axioplase_ | wols_: I do "reinstall" because doing "install" from stable to testing broke the system. |
| 13:06.43 | themill | Axioplase_: "reinstall" tells aptitude to install exactly the same version that is already on the system (and if it doesn't have that exact version, download it again and try again) |
| 13:06.50 | wols_ | you explicitly tell apt-get to reinstall non-existing packages and then complain when apt errors since these packages don't exist |
| 13:07.10 | wols_ | Axioplase_: no. your bad invocation broke the system. last time: have you DONE what I suggested? |
| 13:07.39 | Psychonaut | [Bushmills]: hm... U mean by setting the variable? |
| 13:07.57 | wols_ | Psychonaut: afaik ctrl+al+del on console = reboot is the default |
| 13:08.03 | Axioplase_ | wols_: what suggestion? "remove the package and then do a dist-upgrade"? |
| 13:08.07 | Bushmills | Psychonaut: /etc/inittab |
| 13:08.29 | wols_ | Psychonaut: other way I can think of is a very small C program with system ("shutdown -r now"); with permissions as suid root |
| 13:08.40 | wols_ | Axioplase_: simply install gnome |
| 13:09.11 | Axioplase_ | ha. Ok, let me try |
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| 13:11.14 | MarconM | someone can to help me |
| 13:11.24 | MarconM | in my network manager on debian squeeze |
| 13:11.31 | MarconM | show .... device not manager |
| 13:11.40 | MarconM | i can to choose wired network |
| 13:11.46 | MarconM | #i cant |
| 13:12.18 | wols_ | MarconM: is your wired network configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:12.52 | pog | Hello - I'm wondring, wether there is a Debian-bootable arround, which starts am Machine to a ssh-server (without the necessity to have monitor and keyboard)? |
| 13:13.00 | seb82 | wols_ I did a tasksel install standard... but it's been on 0% for already 20 minutes... |
| 13:13.08 | Axioplase_ | wols_: it complains about a few broken dependencies. I'll just remove them all so that gnome installs as you suggested |
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| 13:13.27 | MarconM | wols_: is dhcp |
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| 13:13.38 | seb82 | brb |
| 13:13.42 | MarconM | yes ... is configured |
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| 13:14.48 | wols_ | MarconM: if network manager detects configuration via interfaces file, it will back off and not do anything to that network device |
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| 13:16.46 | LemensTS | Is there somewhere I can get linux-2.6.32.5.tar.gz kernel still? |
| 13:17.10 | MarconM | ok |
| 13:17.17 | wols_ | LemensTS: any debian repository? |
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| 13:19.03 | jelly | LemensTS: why do you need exactly that upstream source version |
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| 13:20.15 | LemensTS | jelly: building oslec codec |
| 13:20.57 | jelly | LemensTS: for that one weird kernel, or for your current Debian kernel? |
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| 13:21.50 | LemensTS | jelly: its my current debian kernel |
| 13:22.09 | LemensTS | Its what came with the latest version of debian 6 |
| 13:22.36 | jelly | LemensTS: oh. That's not "linux-2.6.32.5.tar.gz". |
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| 13:23.51 | jelly | LemensTS: most out of source drivers need just linux-headers-$(uname -r) package and build-essential installed |
| 13:24.21 | tomodachi | is there a wat to get a list of pending upgrades of packages in debian? Ive seen something like that on ubuntu serves when you log in to the shell |
| 13:24.30 | tomodachi | would be nice to have something similair on my debian server |
| 13:25.08 | themill | aptitude search ~U |
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| 13:26.32 | tomodachi | themill: awesome Thanx! |
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| 13:30.32 | inad922 | is there a way to create a mysql database with the postinst script of a deb package? |
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| 13:31.16 | babilen | inad922: Yes, but please discuss packaging related question in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:40.54 | Amarande | hmm, that's odd, even a badly behaved X app shouldn't be able to crash the X server, no? |
| 13:41.01 | u-foka | Hy! I have a new netinstall squeeze, and sysctl.conf or sysctl.d doesn't work at all |
| 13:41.12 | Amarande | there I was browsing and next thing the mouse pointer would move, but no response, had to bail out to TTY and do /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 13:41.21 | aypea[2] | amerande: given a perfectly coded X, yes. |
| 13:41.38 | Amarande | (and strangely, it had to be restart: doing gdm3 stop and then gdm3 run *won't* work, that complains about not being able to get some GNOME thingy or other and bails) |
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| 13:44.18 | ayambit | How can I disable console logon for a user? |
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| 13:50.55 | lduros | hello, i'm looking into solutions (using maybe python or shell script along with debian) for mass mailing (periodical newsletter) to potentially a very large number of emails. Does anybody have experience or a direction to give me for this. thanks! |
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| 13:52.14 | veleno | hhello i'm trying to install an old Debian 3.1 Sarge. I'm using these as apt-sources: http://pastie.org/2599910 |
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| 13:53.53 | jelly | veleno: ok... is there a question? Typically codenames like "sarge" are used instead of "Debian-3.1" but I _guess_ this should work |
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| 13:54.18 | themill | there's a symlink in the repo, so I guess so |
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| 13:54.55 | Amarande | sarge. wow, how long ago was sarge. |
| 13:55.10 | Amarande | I remember being around when sarge was current, but I can't remember precisely when that was :) |
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| 13:55.15 | Miesco | Whats the latest iceweasel with mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:55.16 | veleno | Amarande: i'm forced to, as one the package I need, modelnet, is packaged for that version..which is pretty old |
| 13:55.33 | Amarande | can |
| 13:55.37 | Amarande | 't build from source? |
| 13:55.42 | veleno | Amarande: it's a nightmare. |
| 13:56.15 | Amarande | or is that a closed-source app? |
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| 14:03.01 | niklaswe | hmm guys.. is this right.. 30 06,17 * * root /usr/local/bin/backup I want that script 06:30 in the morning and 17.30 in the evning every day |
| 14:03.28 | jelly | veleno: consider installing something more modern, like debian 5 (currently oldstable) that can still run sarge in a chroot |
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| 14:04.18 | jelly | then just fill up your sarge chroot with whatever legacy stuff you need |
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| 14:07.14 | niklaswe | i found the problem :) |
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| 14:35.57 | sh00p | hey guys, I have a weird question... Is it possible to make an executed command think that / is actually another folder? I have this driver that I want to make into a .deb, so when it does make install, I want it to put everything in /my/path/lib/modules/<blabla>/ and /my/path/etc/init.d/<blabla> |
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| 14:36.17 | wols_ | sh00p: chroot |
| 14:36.24 | sh00p | I dont have make in the chroot then |
| 14:36.33 | wols_ | you can have |
| 14:36.40 | Psychonaut | Im trying to manage permissions to multiples groups at a single folder with ACLs. I've created the ACL rules, but the chmod permission still valid, i want just the ACL permissions to this folder, how can i do that? |
| 14:37.30 | sh00p | Psychonaut, make restrictive chmod rules and then extend those with acl |
| 14:37.45 | sh00p | if that works :o |
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| 14:37.50 | sh00p | been a while |
| 14:37.58 | Psychonaut | [sh00p]: Like apply chmod 000 and extend the acl rules? |
| 14:38.04 | Psychonaut | already tried... |
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| 14:38.59 | sh00p | wols_, make depends on linux-gate.so which doesnt have a path when i do ldd |
| 14:39.13 | sh00p | so I cant copy that :o |
| 14:40.41 | Amarande | usually, you use fakeroot to build a .deb |
| 14:40.57 | sh00p | I know Amarande , but this is a bit before that |
| 14:41.25 | sh00p | a deb contains a catalogue structure among other things, so thats where I am now |
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| 14:41.51 | sh00p | I want to 'make install' into my catalogue structure directly, instead of installing on my / and then copying |
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| 14:46.12 | seb82 | is there a walkthrough on how to install debian to an external drive through an existing debian... and please don't refere to the debian manual... it's doesn't really work all to well... |
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| 14:46.31 | sh00p | seb82, debootstrap |
| 14:46.35 | sh00p | works wonders |
| 14:46.36 | djook | hye everybody |
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| 14:47.01 | djook | I am trying to avoid a certain dialog with preseed file, during a network installation |
| 14:47.14 | seb82 | sh00p I know... that's wot I'm using but the manual seems incomplete... it lacks certain things... |
| 14:47.14 | sh00p | seb82, mount /dev/externaldrive /tmp/blabla; debootstrap lenny /tmp/blabla; |
| 14:47.27 | djook | it is linux-base related and complains about the boot record configuration |
| 14:47.39 | djook | anyway, it is ok if I assume the warning |
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| 14:48.01 | sh00p | seb82, mount proc, dev and sys on your blabla, chroot in... then install kernel and grub and your good to go |
| 14:48.01 | djook | I tried different ways , using debconf-get-selections to get the preseed options but |
| 14:48.01 | seb82 | sh00p that's wot i have already... |
| 14:48.40 | sh00p | what's not working then seb82 ? |
| 14:48.45 | djook | I am waiting for the pb to occure to give you the right sentence |
| 14:48.55 | seb82 | I already installed a kernel and grub... |
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| 14:49.19 | seb82 | I added a password to the root-user... but /dev/pts is missing... |
| 14:49.28 | sh00p | dont worry about that |
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| 14:49.44 | seb82 | why not? |
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| 14:49.54 | sh00p | it wont be missing once you boot from it |
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| 14:50.09 | seb82 | quess wot sh00p.. it does... |
| 14:51.02 | sh00p | i've never worried about that, and i've deboostrapped 10 times the last two weeks |
| 14:51.22 | sh00p | you have proc in your fstab? |
| 14:51.26 | seb82 | yes... |
| 14:51.39 | seb82 | but no sys... because that wasn't in the manual... |
| 14:51.57 | sh00p | I dont have sys in fstab either, think that happens from somewhere else |
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| 14:52.21 | seb82 | ~i'll be in touch... rebooting into the external drive |
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| 14:53.53 | bubak | hello everyone -- si it possible to guess, whether ethernet cabel is plugged-in in eth0 from for example /sys/class/net/eth0? |
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| 14:54.31 | petern__ | maybe carrier |
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| 14:55.13 | ksk | bubak: there is "mii-tool" |
| 14:55.14 | themill | ifplugd/ethtool/mii-tool |
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| 14:55.46 | bubak | peterne__ + ksk: thanks -- carrier seems ok |
| 14:56.00 | bubak | ksk: mii-tool: will have a look |
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| 15:09.34 | seb82 | sn00p... |
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| 15:11.41 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've a microSD card that seems broken and not detected anymore. Is there a way to reformat it ? |
| 15:12.11 | seb82 | guys I've installed debian on an external drive with debootstrap... by following debian's instructions and some hints I got it bootable... |
| 15:12.28 | seb82 | now it 'hangs' at a read-only-filesystem and something with pid |
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| 15:14.34 | jhutchins_lt | lord_rob: It has to at least be detected as a storage device. |
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| 15:14.48 | djook | if anyone is interested, I got options that get rid of the linux-base dialog architecture config bla |
| 15:14.55 | djook | in preseed file |
| 15:15.12 | djook | at least I think so, I am doing a last test to validate |
| 15:15.14 | helo | anyone know why after using fdisk i get "Re-reading teh partition table failed with error 16: device or resource busy" |
| 15:15.19 | helo | but only occasionally |
| 15:15.29 | helo | lsof doesn't show anything accessing the device |
| 15:15.32 | djook | helo, maybe swap in use ? |
| 15:15.35 | helo | no swap |
| 15:15.58 | lord_rob | well it's difficult to say jhutchins_lt, I put it in a usb adapter and I don't know if the adapter itself recgnognises the SD |
| 15:16.03 | djook | ... udev trying to read the partition table ? |
| 15:16.07 | djook | or hal ? |
| 15:16.12 | helo | no udev or hal :) |
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| 15:16.26 | seb82 | is the drive mounted helo? |
| 15:16.27 | djook | helo what runlevel is the OS running ? |
| 15:16.31 | helo | nope |
| 15:16.44 | sisif | Hello guys. Does any one here has any idea if / how I can use usb power management to power off / on an usb device using a console command / bash script ? |
| 15:16.46 | helo | djook: using my own /init, with debian binaries... no runlevel |
| 15:16.53 | djook | nothing in dmesg ? |
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| 15:17.15 | jhutchins_lt | djook: runlevels are irrelevant in debian. |
| 15:17.24 | djook | helo, maybe hardware problem ? |
| 15:17.31 | djook | jhujhiti, try init 1 ... |
| 15:17.38 | helo | i see the usual message when a partition table is scanned "mmcblk0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 > p3 p4" |
| 15:17.49 | djook | jhutchins, try init 1 ... |
| 15:18.07 | djook | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.13 | cmdbbq | Hello everyone! I am new here, but you may be seeing a lot of me moving forward. I am migrating from ubuntu to get a more stable and customizable linux experience. I am looking to learn the right way not the easy way, so I hope you will be patient with whatwever bad habits i learned under ubuntu. |
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| 15:19.13 | lord_rob | jhutchins_lt: [ 5035.244609] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 dmesg says |
| 15:19.19 | djook | cmdbbq, not worried about the GNU "fanatism" ? (I think about mp3 and h264 encoding for example) |
| 15:19.23 | seb82 | problem solves... wrong fstab |
| 15:19.44 | seb82 | cmdbbq welcome to Debian |
| 15:20.01 | cmdbbq | djook, i might be now... |
| 15:20.05 | cmdbbq | thanks seb82 |
| 15:20.09 | djook | cmdbbq ;) |
| 15:20.19 | jhutchins_lt | djook: Does fdisk -l see it? |
| 15:20.33 | helo | djook: yeah, it may be hardware... chinese ipad knockoff with potentially outdated/buggy kernel |
| 15:20.35 | seb82 | cmdbbq how do you plan on starting to use debian |
| 15:20.44 | djook | cmdbbq, that is the real difference between both distro |
| 15:21.31 | djook | helo, any experience from other owner of the hardware ? |
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| 15:21.58 | djook | jhutchins_lt, the fdisk problem is helo's |
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| 15:22.09 | seb82 | guys I'll be rebootin into my debootstrap debian again... till later |
| 15:22.23 | djook | jhutchins_lt, I went here for preseed issue but it seems I found my way |
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| 15:22.27 | eviltoaster | What kind of package should i download to be able to have icons/files on my desktop? |
| 15:22.35 | eviltoaster | small one |
| 15:22.42 | cmdbbq | i am installing stable on my primary as we speak, what i want is stability. Ubuntu, in my experience, was easy to get running, but something would inevitably go wrong |
| 15:22.47 | helo | djook: nope... i'll have more units to test on later this week. just wanted to rule out any stupidity first ;) |
| 15:22.49 | djook | evilbulgarian, depends on the windowmanager you are using |
| 15:23.06 | djook | helo ok |
| 15:23.10 | eviltoaster | wmfs |
| 15:23.16 | eviltoaster | djook, |
| 15:23.17 | djook | eviltoaster, depends on the windowmanager you are using |
| 15:23.36 | djook | sorry toaster, thought was breakfast time |
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| 15:24.04 | eviltoaster | ? ^^ |
| 15:24.15 | cmdbbq | i want a machine the requires minimall maintanence |
| 15:24.20 | djook | eviltoaster, heu I am lost, I mixed with evilbulgarian |
| 15:24.22 | djook | sorry so |
| 15:24.30 | eviltoaster | i know :) |
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| 15:24.44 | djook | I have no experience with from scratch things |
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| 15:25.20 | djook | xfce rules ? (...) |
| 15:25.29 | eviltoaster | i use feh to get a background image :) |
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| 15:25.43 | eviltoaster | so i tought there could be a package like that for icons too |
| 15:26.11 | djook | no idea at all |
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| 15:26.22 | eviltoaster | Thats why i ask :) |
| 15:27.24 | djook | most of the time, I find answer myself only by asking on irc ; most not all ... |
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| 15:27.50 | djook | windows manager is a world itself |
| 15:27.58 | eviltoaster | yea |
| 15:28.01 | eviltoaster | it is... |
| 15:28.45 | djook | by the way, my last test prooved me wrong ..... shit |
| 15:29.02 | djook | so I will ask once again |
| 15:29.23 | Amarande | system understanding is improved through testing things and learning through failures, djook. |
| 15:29.35 | djook | during a net install with preseed file, I ask for the installation of the 2.6.39 from squeeze-backports |
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| 15:29.43 | djook | Amarande, any clue about my problem so ? |
| 15:29.56 | Amarande | I didn't think you could install backports during netinst, so :S |
| 15:30.04 | djook | and it needs linux-base as compatibility |
| 15:30.10 | djook | Amarande, yes with preseed file |
| 15:30.37 | djook | I give the backports repository and specify packages/squeeze-backports for the installation |
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| 15:31.05 | djook | but it prompts me with something I want to avoid to fully automatize the thing |
| 15:31.06 | sysRPL | hello |
| 15:31.29 | sysRPL | can someone help me please? i upgraded my laptops wireless card from an intel 3950bg to an intel 5300abgn ... but now linux doesn't see my wireless card .. i'm used a wired connection right now to ask for help |
| 15:31.40 | djook | saying mbr configuration failed, parameters needs to e updated |
| 15:31.49 | djook | and I choose continue |
| 15:32.07 | djook | and tried to recover the parameters via debconf-get-selections |
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| 15:32.42 | djook | but none of my combinaisons works |
| 15:33.42 | djook | and it is the last point before everything works without an intervention |
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| 15:36.28 | cmdbbq | ok, so it seems i have already made a mistake as i thought i grabbed an xfce install and find myself staring at classic gnome. what would be the best way to swap out gnome for xfce? |
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| 15:38.25 | wols_ | cmdbbq: install xfce4 and /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 15:38.43 | wols_ | if you don't care about the space needed by gnome you can simply skip the removal step |
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| 15:40.01 | djook | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.20 | djook | I dont know wht to do to get rid of this step during the installation |
| 15:40.22 | cmdbbq | wols_: is the removal step likely to break anything? |
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| 15:46.46 | djook | I am trying with this d-i linux-base/disk-id-manual-boot-loader string skip-config |
| 15:47.01 | djook | not convinced |
| 15:47.08 | sysRPL | can someone help me please? i upgraded my laptops wireless card from an intel 3950bg to an intel 5300abgn ... but now linux doesn't see my wireless card .. i'm used a wired connection right now to ask for help |
| 15:47.23 | ChibaPet | Does anyone have an example of embedding message compression into a dhcpd.conf file, for concatenating dhcp-name options, for example? I've seen it done before, but I'm not finding an example now. |
| 15:47.31 | djook | sysRPL, is your hardware supported ? |
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| 15:47.57 | ChibaPet | RFC1035 compression, specifically. |
| 15:48.00 | djook | sysRPL, what kernel have you ? |
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| 15:52.47 | sysRPL | 2.6.35-30-generic ... the card is an Intel 5300abgn |
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| 15:53.32 | sysRPL | i am pretty sure theIntel card i listed is supported |
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| 15:55.09 | jelly | sysRPL: it might be better to ask for proper support in the channel for your actual distro. The ways of installing firmware and support tools for your card might differ. |
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| 15:55.55 | jelly | this channel is only for Debian, and we don't know what the derivative distros do with their setup |
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| 15:56.24 | npx | sysRPL, iirc the support for the intel 5000 series wifi cards is/was spotty |
| 15:56.39 | npx | but i won't swear to that |
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| 15:56.47 | wols_ | npx: good thing you don't :P |
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| 15:57.48 | Bartzy | Is it possible to use curl to upload a file from a remote location? instead of @/path/to/local/file, do something like @http://example.com/file |
| 15:58.14 | sysRPL | jelly: i was offered the same advice in ##linux and my response was ... i aleady did asked in #ubuntu and this is my backu[ channel |
| 15:59.14 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 15:59.14 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:59.31 | jelly | sysRPL: might want to consider switching to a distro with a better support system! |
| 15:59.37 | helo | get off my lawn! |
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| 15:59.51 | wols_ | Bartzy: http has not provision for that |
| 16:00.17 | npx | wols_, you can probably get curl to read POST data from stdin |
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| 16:00.46 | sysRPL | dpkg: was that response to me? |
| 16:00.47 | dpkg | sysRPL: i haven't a clue |
| 16:01.00 | wols_ | sysRPL: yes it was. and dpkg is a bot |
| 16:01.28 | npx | Anyone interested in Wine 1.3.29 packages for Squeeze? |
| 16:01.33 | sysRPL | wols_: sorry for harassing the people here |
| 16:01.43 | wols_ | npx: tons of people are |
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| 16:02.22 | npx | wols_, I built a .deb with checkinstall and it's working perfectly with Photoshop CS5, is there any particularly good way to share it? |
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| 16:02.48 | wols_ | afaik no |
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| 16:09.37 | Psychonaut | Im trying to manage permissions to multiples groups at a single folder with ACLs. I've created the ACL rules, but the chmod permission still valid, i want just the ACL permissions to this folder, how can i do that? |
| 16:13.48 | jhutchins_lt | How do I install Gnome3 on a T4 system? |
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| 16:15.53 | peterrooney | ,versions apache |
| 16:15.55 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
| 16:16.02 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg gnome 3 ? |
| 16:16.12 | themill | peterrooney: it would be apache2.2 |
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| 16:16.51 | envirocbr | Hey guys, I have this error: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 16:16.54 | envirocbr | 64481591B98321F9 |
| 16:17.04 | envirocbr | I followed the only guide I saw online but to no avail |
| 16:17.12 | envirocbr | I ma trying to upgrade from Lenny to squeeze |
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| 16:17.54 | themill | envirocbr: if you install the debian-archive-keyring package then you will have it |
| 16:18.02 | envirocbr | thanks |
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| 16:31.17 | tharkun | People, i detected an ailing disk. I just checked that all information was properly backed up. But a subdirectory which holds some 40 GB of data is not backed up. What is the best way to back it up so that if the disk utterly fails i have at least a working partial backup? |
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| 16:34.09 | ChibaPet | tar? |
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| 16:34.22 | ChibaPet | It's quick and easy anyway. |
| 16:34.45 | ChibaPet | or rsync to a safe location perhaps |
| 16:35.22 | ChibaPet | or if you're feeling frisky, you could dump the directory to a file |
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| 16:37.11 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: T4 is the new CPU announced but not yet released by Oracle. |
| 16:37.41 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: Seems like the perfect match for an incomplete DE. |
| 16:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: rsync |
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| 16:39.43 | thewanderer1 | ACL works locally, but not over NFSv3. I mount the said NFS share with acl flag, but the flag does not show up in /etc/mtab nor in /proc/mounts. getfacl or setfacl work correctly on files on the said share. I'm really banging my head against a wall here... |
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| 16:40.23 | thewanderer1 | and by ACL doesn't work I mean that the permissions in effect are only traditional UNIX permissions (mode), without taking ACL into account... anyone seen this? |
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| 16:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: is acl fully enabled on the client machine? |
| 16:42.21 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: acl package installed, all ACL-related functions work but it's not taken into effect in permission checks |
| 16:42.54 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: So it works on local files but not on NFS? |
| 16:43.06 | thewanderer1 | it seems so |
| 16:43.23 | ChibaPet | Are ACLs advertised to work over NFS? |
| 16:43.27 | thewanderer1 | oh, the client is an OpenVZ VE with Squeeze, the host kernel is Squeeze too |
| 16:43.42 | thewanderer1 | ChibaPet: I don't know if they're advertised to work... they certainly work for me at home, though, but not there |
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| 16:44.13 | ChibaPet | At home, over NFS? |
| 16:44.19 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 16:44.24 | ChibaPet | Hm, first thing that comes up for me that seems relevant: http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/ACLs |
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| 16:44.45 | ChibaPet | I've used local FS ACLs but never tried it over NFS, but that seems to indicate a whole different system for NFS. |
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| 16:44.56 | thewanderer1 | this is over NFSv3 |
| 16:45.05 | Bert_2 | Hi, anyone know whether gparted can copy partitions from an MBR HD to a GPT HD ? |
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| 16:46.31 | jhutchins_lt | Bert_2: Try it. |
| 16:46.39 | jhutchins_lt | Bert_2: Tell us. |
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| 16:47.51 | Bert_2 | jhutchins_lt: I'm asking so I don't have to try :p |
| 16:48.12 | Bert_2 | I'm setting up a new sys and I have to decide whether to preinstall on gpt or do mbr and move in case I need more mbr space |
| 16:48.26 | DE2 | hey, i updated debian and forgot to reconfigure my bootloader, lilo, now its crashed and cant log in, running ubuntu from live cd. How do I reconfigure lilo on the drive that wont boot? |
| 16:48.35 | Bert_2 | but apparently nobody knows whether it's possible so I'll just have a go when I need to :p |
| 16:48.41 | DE2 | s/cant log in/wont start/ |
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| 16:51.55 | fulgore | hugs debian |
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| 16:55.15 | somiaj | DE2: well you could chroot into your install and run lilo from there -- issue may be that ubuntu names the devices differentaly so you'll have to change your lilo config. |
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| 16:56.01 | somiaj | Bartzy: can't you just use rsync and copy the contets -- I thought the actual partition data was slightly different so a raw write of the partition might not be the best bet. |
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| 16:58.45 | DE2 | somiaj: so it might be better to start from a debian live cd? |
| 16:59.43 | Miesco | Does libreoffice have an equation editor? |
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| 17:00.41 | somiaj | DE2: or the rescue cd. Again I would just use what you have and just double check your lilo.conf file and make sure you have telling it to install things on the right drive. |
| 17:00.45 | boudiccas | Miesco; you could ask in #lbreoffice, they'll know for sure |
| 17:01.14 | somiaj | Miesco: openoffice use to, I'm sure it's still there...how to use it I don't know cause latex is my choice. I belive it was called 'math' |
| 17:01.41 | somiaj | Miesco: file -> new -> formula |
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| 17:02.00 | Miesco | somiaj: Yea I have to use open office for my course, can't use latex |
| 17:02.04 | DE2 | somiaj: i just ran lilo on the chrooted mounted drive, and got an error "Fatal raid setup.. " |
| 17:02.45 | reiffert | Hi. I was creating a md raid on debian squeeze but I forgot to create a mdadm.conf file and I restarted the machine. Now cat /proc/mdstat doesnt list anything at all. What can I do now? |
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| 17:03.38 | somiaj | DE2: its been so long since i've used lilo, but it might take some work to get it to put things in the right spot. |
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| 17:05.14 | npx | running Debian/kFreeBSD in a VM, and I'm feeling it.. |
| 17:06.14 | npx | I wonder how much work it'd be to get this to use FreeBSD's libc and LLVM's libstdc++ |
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| 17:07.48 | daemonkeeper | npx: Probably a lot, since it runs a GNU user land. |
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| 17:08.03 | valdyn | reiffert: mdadm --assemble --scan |
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| 17:08.45 | npx | daemon, yeah I'm curious about the rationale there, it seems like it would've been easier to package up the BSD userland and just include the GNU fileutils/textutils |
| 17:08.56 | daemonkeeper | npx: There is a reason why kfreebsd neither uses the BSD nor the GNU libc. |
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| 17:10.48 | daemonkeeper | npx: Its more than that: The kfreebsd libc needs to wrap Linux API calls into FreeBSD syscalls (if applicable). To the application, the kfreebsd libc looks and feels mostly like a Linux libc, but runs on the native BSD interface of the kernel. |
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| 17:11.52 | daemonkeeper | npx: That makes it possible, to port many Linux applications for free to kfreebsd, i.e. without any explicit POSIX compatible programming. |
| 17:12.44 | daemonkeeper | There are limitations of course, for example when there is no straifhtforward way to implement a syscall on BSD. |
| 17:12.52 | daemonkeeper | *straightforward |
| 17:13.17 | themill | daemonkeeper: what is the "libc0.1" package in kfreebsd-i386 and how does it relate to what you're talking about? |
| 17:13.37 | daemonkeeper | themill: Its a homebrewn libc. Its neither (e)glibc nor BSD libc. |
| 17:13.50 | themill | orly |
| 17:14.08 | themill | ,source libc0.1 |
| 17:14.09 | judd | Package libc0.1 in squeeze -- source: eglibc |
| 17:15.30 | daemonkeeper | FSVO http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/eglibc/2.11.2-10 |
| 17:15.54 | daemonkeeper | But yes, its based on eglibc |
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| 17:16.00 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, I should have been more precise |
| 17:17.12 | npx | Pretty slick setup |
| 17:17.31 | npx | I wonder if there was any consideration given to using FreeBSD's linux "emulation" and including glibc and BSD libc |
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| 17:18.10 | daemonkeeper | On FreeBSD side? That will probably never happen. |
| 17:18.18 | themill | npx: aiui, part of the point of the kfreebsd debian port is uses the GNU userland. |
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| 17:18.25 | tp43 | I need help with mount command: mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto,unhide |
| 17:18.49 | DE2 | somiaj: are there any channels for lilo or refit? |
| 17:18.51 | daemonkeeper | Right, which is (L)GPL licensed. And that's no-opt for FReeBSD. |
| 17:19.47 | npx | daemonkeeper, Oh no, I meant specifically for Debian/kFreeBSD - rather than a homebrew eglibc they'd package libc from -STABLE and whatever glibc was in Debian stable |
| 17:19.59 | npx | daemon, and ship the kernel with the Linux emu layer turned on |
| 17:20.01 | daemonkeeper | As themill correctly pointed out, its the same code base. |
| 17:20.04 | daemonkeeper | Though patched. |
| 17:20.20 | daemonkeeper | The Linux emulation layer is incomplete. |
| 17:20.47 | npx | just to be clear I'm not saying "that was stupid" or anything along those lines |
| 17:20.48 | daemonkeeper | Its about 2.6.18 (roughly) and you would lose any FreeBSD specific improvements, giving you less reason to use kfreebsd at all. |
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| 17:21.09 | npx | what I had in mind was a system capable of using the ports tree to produce .deb packages with checkinstall |
| 17:21.31 | laidback_01 | heh heh... you are going down the same path that spawned out gentoo |
| 17:21.39 | daemonkeeper | There are some plans to do that. |
| 17:21.48 | daemonkeeper | i.e. make a kfreebsd FreeBSD port package. |
| 17:21.49 | thewanderer1 | npx: oh, ports could be made to run on Debian GNU/Linux too, that's not the point of kFreeBSD |
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| 17:22.33 | thewanderer1 | it's supposed to have a clean, efficient, and secure-by-design networking stack, and robust kernel code... |
| 17:22.52 | mooperd | hallo. is there a debian kernel developers room? |
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| 17:23.56 | daemonkeeper | mooperd: You can reach a particular developer best by writing a bug report, or/and to his contact address. Note, he is not supposed to give you user support. |
| 17:24.05 | daemonkeeper | +writing |
| 17:24.12 | npx | thewanderer1, the ports tree is probably the most robust way to do source-based package management and .deb/apt is probably the best binary package management |
| 17:24.16 | mooperd | I want to understand the difference between a redhat kernel and a debian kernel |
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| 17:24.37 | daemonkeeper | mooperd: You won't need a developer to answer that question. |
| 17:24.40 | npx | thewanderer1, so I was just thinking, how cool would it be to be able to combine the two |
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| 17:25.03 | ProGammer_ | hey |
| 17:25.20 | daemonkeeper | npx: I see not much benefits to do, you can easily install kfreebsd in a FreeBSD port (and vice versa - although the latter still needs some work afaik) |
| 17:25.26 | ProGammer_ | i add new user using adduser and im trying to login via ftp with that account |
| 17:25.29 | daemonkeeper | err s/port/jail/ |
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| 17:25.37 | DE2 | somiaj: where should my MBR go, on /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda3, sda1 has a GPT |
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| 17:25.44 | mooperd | I'm trying to work out why floating point performance on the newly released Interlago processor is half that, per core, than the previous magnycours processors. |
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| 17:27.15 | npx | daemonkeeper, well imagine as a sysadmin, you could custom compile applications via the ports tree and do something like "make debinstall" to install .deb packages from the ports tree to the appropriate location of an apt repository |
| 17:27.20 | thewanderer1 | mooperd: are your frequencies lower? :P |
| 17:27.56 | daemonkeeper | npx: This is merely lacking someone who does it. The technology to do is already there. |
| 17:28.04 | thewanderer1 | tp43: read the mount manpage, see the options' order and what flags you need to supply |
| 17:28.22 | mooperd | thewanderer1: only by 0.2 Ghz |
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| 17:29.46 | npx | daemonkeeper, yeah that's a legit point, it just feels strange to me that distributing source code is so easy with google code and sf.net and github.com |
| 17:29.52 | npx | and distributing custom binaries is such a pain |
| 17:30.21 | npx | i mean doing it within your own lan is relatively easy but making packages widely available across the internet so people can add a line to sources.list and download your stuff |
| 17:30.23 | daemonkeeper | npx: There is a subtle difference between source code and binaries. |
| 17:30.42 | npx | yeah the obvious trust issues |
| 17:31.17 | daemonkeeper | Not quite what a meant. A binary contains platform dependent code, which is typically dynamically linked these days. Its hard to make that a portable. |
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| 17:31.59 | Psychonaut | Im trying to manage permissions to multiples groups at a single folder with ACLs. I've created the ACL rules, but the chmod permission still valid, i want just the ACL permissions to this folder, how can i do that? |
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| 17:33.00 | mooperd | How do I tell which version of DHCP is packaged with squeeze? |
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| 17:33.15 | valdyn | judd: versions isc-dhcp-server |
| 17:33.16 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-server on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; wheezy: 4.1.1-P1-17; sid: 4.2.2-1 |
| 17:33.22 | valdyn | mooperd: ^^ |
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| 17:33.44 | mooperd | valdyn: AWESOME! |
| 17:33.56 | Psychonaut | anyone has a good material about ACL on linux? |
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| 17:34.12 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: UNIX perms and POSIX ACL work in tandem on Linux, you can't use ACL only for access control |
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| 17:34.44 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 ? Im trying to use it for directory permissions. |
| 17:34.45 | valdyn | chmod 000 and the proper acl might do what he wants ? |
| 17:34.55 | Psychonaut | valdyn already tried |
| 17:35.07 | Psychonaut | =/ |
| 17:35.07 | thewanderer1 | and what's the result? |
| 17:35.15 | Psychonaut | cant do nothing |
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| 17:35.23 | Psychonaut | the permissions setted by the acl has no effect. |
| 17:35.37 | valdyn | acl are probably read/writable when acl support is not even enabled |
| 17:35.38 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: maybe because the mask was too restrictive when you chmodded to 000 |
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| 17:35.47 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: false |
| 17:36.01 | Psychonaut | valdyn i've enabled the acl at the partition |
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| 17:36.18 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: if you chmod to 000, what does the "mask" entry say in ACL? |
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| 17:36.45 | valdyn | Psychonaut: mounted with acl support? |
| 17:36.52 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 the mask is used only when i set a default acl |
| 17:36.55 | Psychonaut | valdyn yo |
| 17:36.57 | Psychonaut | yup |
| 17:37.17 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 if i set the chmod to 000, the mask will be --- |
| 17:37.24 | Psychonaut | so i cant do nothing. |
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| 17:37.39 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: and you want to do what precisely? |
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| 17:37.56 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 i want to set diferrent permissions for 2 groups at a single directory |
| 17:38.33 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: and they have no effect? |
| 17:38.56 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 no effect, chmod always has priority. |
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| 17:39.47 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure how it's implemented in the kernel, but I guess it makes sense not to check ACL if the access mode satisfies a request |
| 17:39.59 | nathan82 | < formerly known as seb82 |
| 17:40.03 | thewanderer1 | i.e. grants access |
| 17:40.25 | Bushmills | Psychonaut: make a new group, add members of both groups to that new group. and set group ownership to that new group |
| 17:40.28 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: chmod to 000, set mask to 777 |
| 17:40.35 | thewanderer1 | ACL should work then |
| 17:40.42 | Psychonaut | hm |
| 17:40.50 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 ill try |
| 17:40.54 | nathan82 | now from the external drive, build with debian via debootstrap... |
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| 17:41.16 | Psychonaut | Bushmills wont work |
| 17:41.27 | Psychonaut | Bushmills i have one folder that i want to share with 2 others groups |
| 17:41.41 | Psychonaut | Bushmills and one of these groups can only read, and the other can read and write |
| 17:41.48 | Psychonaut | Bushmills this is made by using ACLs. |
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| 17:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | Psychonaut: Nope. |
| 17:43.32 | Psychonaut | [jhutchins_lt]: nope what? |
| 17:43.47 | Psychonaut | jhutchins isnt made by acl configuration? |
| 17:44.04 | Psychonaut | jhutchins_lt how is it then? |
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| 17:45.22 | Bushmills | there are ways to work around acls, if you really wanted to. a way could be to mount --bind the directory to an additional location, and give that location an alternative set of permissions |
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| 17:46.15 | Psychonaut | Bushmills i cand bind the directory and assign 3 differents groups to it? |
| 17:46.41 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: did my suggestion with setting the mode to 000 and mask to 7 work? |
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| 17:47.16 | Bushmills | you could mount --bind it twice, and set three different groups as owner |
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| 17:47.32 | Bushmills | that's a bit kludgy, of course. but relatively simple. |
| 17:47.39 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 i've set the chmod 000 and the system is not understanding. When i type de ls -l command the system dont answer |
| 17:47.41 | ProGammer_ | i need to change default directory of this user ? |
| 17:48.23 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: does not answer in what way? |
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| 17:48.28 | Psychonaut | Bushmills i think the acl option is more ellegant, but ill try this. The problem is that ill have 3 different locations for the same folder, this makes no sense. |
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| 17:48.52 | Bushmills | yes, that's the kludgy part |
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| 17:49.00 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 no response for cmd 117 mid 88 |
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| 17:49.13 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: what? O.o |
| 17:49.36 | Bushmills | in addition. permissions of files in those dirs remain unaffected |
| 17:49.53 | Psychonaut | Bushmills yeah, i think its not the solution im looking for. |
| 17:49.58 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 weird huh? |
| 17:50.31 | jhutchins_lt | Psychonaut: What about using samba? |
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| 17:50.51 | thewanderer1 | oh come on guys |
| 17:50.52 | Bushmills | t'was wrong what i said, about different permission sets, anyway |
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| 17:50.59 | thewanderer1 | the ACL will work, there's just something weird going on |
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| 17:51.24 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: can you paste the whole shell session? I can't even understand what the "no response" meant... |
| 17:51.48 | Psychonaut | jhutchins_lt samba has the same problem |
| 17:52.18 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 just a minute, sorry for the waiting, im at class right now |
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| 17:54.28 | DeBiL_SRo | cs47 |
| 17:54.46 | DeBiL_SRo | je tu nekdo? |
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| 17:55.40 | DeBiL_SRo | is anyone there? |
| 17:56.02 | thewanderer1 | DeBiL_SRo: do you have a real question to ask? |
| 17:56.16 | DeBiL_SRo | ehm |
| 17:56.20 | DeBiL_SRo | maybe |
| 17:56.22 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 i think my system is crashed hahaha |
| 17:56.27 | Psychonaut | i cant do chmod again |
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| 17:56.37 | somiaj | DE2: might be late, but it depends on your setup....usually you put it on /dev/sda (the mbr of the actual device and not a paticular partition) |
| 17:56.46 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: hmmm, never seen that |
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| 17:57.03 | Psychonaut | [thewanderer1]: after i made the chmod 000 the system is acting weirdly |
| 17:57.11 | somiaj | DE2: but you can put it on one of the partitions if you have a chain bootloader already hiding in the master mbr of the disk (this is what the bios will boot from) |
| 17:57.15 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: in what way? |
| 17:57.16 | frikinz | Hi. Can someone suggest a working dock (for openbox). |
| 17:57.33 | DeBiL_SRo | linux is crap |
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| 17:57.50 | nathan82 | DeBil_SRo, why is it crap? |
| 17:58.10 | thewanderer1 | move on, you don't want to be troll food tonight |
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| 17:59.30 | Faustus2 | does debian run smoother than ubuntu? i have a asus eee (mini computer) |
| 17:59.54 | ompaul | how would we know we don't use ubuntu |
| 17:59.58 | thewanderer1 | Faustus2: try it and see |
| 18:00.07 | daemonkeeper | And even if we did, it would be personal experience |
| 18:00.40 | Faustus2 | hmm i guess so |
| 18:01.11 | nathan82 | Don't want to brag about it, but *cough* *cough* Debian is the best distro currently *cough* *cough* |
| 18:01.31 | ompaul | %s/currently//g :wq! |
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| 18:02.29 | ompaul | Faustus2: subjected is as subjective sees. |
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| 18:02.52 | ompaul | of course we are all 100% committed to being objective |
| 18:02.59 | ChibaPet | Faustus2, I run Debian Squeeze on an Asus EEE PC. |
| 18:03.02 | ChibaPet | It runs fine. |
| 18:03.29 | nathan82 | @ompaul: currently (read: ever) |
| 18:04.00 | Faustus2 | cool, maybe ill have to try it. |
| 18:04.11 | Faustus2 | ubuntu runs a bit slow on eee :( |
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| 18:04.32 | Faustus2 | but i like how easy ubuntu is |
| 18:04.34 | ompaul | nathan82: superfluous words are superfluous |
| 18:04.38 | ChibaPet | I've never managed to get everything to work on an Ubuntu install. More than once I've tried it speculatively and fallen back on Debian when random things didn't work. |
| 18:04.57 | frikinz | Same experience here |
| 18:05.06 | Faustus2 | what doesnt work? :S |
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| 18:05.51 | nathan82 | I've come from RedHat 5.1, Suse (around 2001/2002) then I moved to RedHat again, then Fedora... Tried Ubuntu and finally came through test out on debian... which has been running in my house for nearly 3 to 4 years now... |
| 18:05.54 | ChibaPet | Faustus2, the two instances I'm thinking of involved (1) wireless not working well, and (2) X not handling a rotated monitor. |
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| 18:14.47 | Psychonaut | [thewanderer1]: ive tried wit the chmod 000 at other vm |
| 18:14.47 | Psychonaut | didnt worked too |
| 18:14.49 | Psychonaut | the default mask was rwx |
| 18:15.36 | ChibaPet | nathan82, for what it's worth, I've used a bunch of Debian, some RHEL, some Fedora, some OpenSuSE, some SLES. I like them all. I stick with Debian because I think it's important to have a viable noncorporate distro. |
| 18:17.06 | nathan82 | Debian is also one of the oldest... |
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| 18:20.01 | ChibaPet | http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.08/gldt1108.png |
| 18:20.46 | nathan82 | having mayor issues with webbrowsers which keep on crashing... chrome and ephihany... |
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| 18:22.09 | ChibaPet | Prior to Debian wooing me with its amazing package management, I was a NetBSD person. I used to like it, but man, source-based packaging with a quarterly release cycle is hard to take in a production environment. |
| 18:22.19 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 18:22.46 | nathan82 | hey wuffi6000= |
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| 18:24.12 | nathan82 | why is debian working so slow on an external hard drive? |
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| 18:24.49 | ChibaPet | Please be much more specific. |
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| 18:25.12 | streuner | nathan82: USB1? |
| 18:25.31 | nathan82 | i've install debian via debootstrap on an external drive, since the netinstall-cd failed and currently i'm out of cd's... USB2 |
| 18:26.08 | Faustus2 | ubuntu - satanic edition :P |
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| 18:26.24 | ChibaPet | I was happy to see that, Faustus2. |
| 18:26.29 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: didn't work in what way? |
| 18:26.37 | Psychonaut | [thewanderer1]: nope |
| 18:26.55 | thewanderer1 | that was not a yes/no question :P |
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| 18:27.08 | Psychonaut | soryr |
| 18:27.10 | Psychonaut | ahhaaha |
| 18:27.20 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 i've set the chmod 000 to the folder |
| 18:27.34 | Psychonaut | then i've added the 2 other groups that i want with the proper permissions |
| 18:28.02 | Psychonaut | then i've switched to a user that belongs to those groups and tried to list the content of the folder, then i got permission denied. |
| 18:28.09 | Faustus2 | ChibaPet: theres even a ubuntu eee edition :S |
| 18:28.19 | Psychonaut | the getfacl output shows that the umask is rwx |
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| 18:29.59 | wuffi600 | i have a question about pm-utils. pm-hibernate works perfectly, also the resume-boot works great. But pm-suspend or pm-hibernate-hyprid does nothing, it does not write anything to the logs. Where can i find what's wrong? |
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| 18:39.14 | frikinz | what is the channel for debian testing/unstable support? |
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| 18:39.51 | somiaj | frikinz: check the /topic, but its not on freenode |
| 18:39.58 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: I'll try to reproduce your setup in a couple of minutes, extremely busy right now |
| 18:40.07 | somiaj | frikinz: you could ask a question here, but many may just say -- welcome to testing/sid, (: |
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| 18:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 18:41.49 | frikinz | thanks all |
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| 18:42.16 | Psychonaut | [thewanderer1]: ok, thanks very much |
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| 18:43.53 | filePeter | How to set aspell to use my favourite language by default? |
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| 18:47.05 | MrFrood | filePeter: iirc aspell takes it lead from the $LANG envioromental variable, for ispell set the $DICTIONARY envioromental variable |
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| 18:48.52 | filePeter | MrFrood: Ah. ok. |
| 18:48.56 | filePeter | MrFrood: thx. |
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| 19:00.44 | mark_u | hey everyone. I'm trying to install debian 6 to an a softraid array of disks. I setup /boot, / and swap as raid1 across all disks. then i used the rest as a raid5 for /home. when i get to the part of the installer where it attempts to install grub.. it fails. If I run grub-installer /dev/sda at prompt it says "chroot: can't change root directory to /dev/sda. My understanding is grub installs to the first disk regardless of the array I cre |
| 19:00.44 | mark_u | ated? |
| 19:00.51 | mark_u | any suggestions |
| 19:01.40 | wols_ | mark_u: when you run grub-installed have you chrooted to your new debian installation? |
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| 19:01.51 | mark_u | wols im still in the installer |
| 19:02.02 | wols_ | that's not what I asked |
| 19:02.16 | mark_u | sorry then I don't understand how to do that |
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| 19:02.31 | wols_ | don't understand what? |
| 19:02.38 | mark_u | chrooting to the new installation |
| 19:02.41 | mark_u | chroot /target? |
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| 19:03.44 | wols_ | yes, but bind mounting /dev/ and /proc inside it before. /msg dpkg fixgrub |
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| 19:04.51 | nathan82 | wols_ wouldn't it be possible to delete /dev/.*udev* and if necesarry install makdev and do MAKEDEV generic in /dev ? |
| 19:05.06 | mark_u | where it says "root filesystem", is that meant to be / or /boot |
| 19:05.21 | nathan82 | is /boot root? |
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| 19:07.56 | wols_ | mark_u: /root. and you have to mounted /boot properly as well when you use a separate one |
| 19:08.04 | mark_u | right. Is it safe to install grub to the raid1 I created for the root filesystem, or should I be using the first disk regardless |
| 19:08.15 | wols_ | nathan82: why would you wanz zo delete *udev? |
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| 19:08.24 | johnfg | hi again. |
| 19:08.45 | wols_ | mark_u: whatever your BIOS sees. the BIOS needs to load that part of grub. so if you use software raid, /dev/sda it is |
| 19:09.09 | mark_u | wols_: ok. And then if i wanted to be anal I could install it to each of the drives if i really wanted, correct |
| 19:09.11 | johnfg | I'm trying to access an openvpn client at its assigned ip, but am getting a time out. Any idea how to fix? |
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| 19:09.49 | Glanzmann | How can I freeze one package for updates? |
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| 19:10.09 | Glanzmann | So I want the complete system but don't put updates for one package. |
| 19:10.22 | Glanzmann | *update* |
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| 19:10.46 | mark_u | wols_: after completing the commands after chroot, there is some output from grub-install regarding "this GPT partition label has no bios boot partition, embedding not possible ...... embedding is not possible but is required when the root device is on a raid array or lvm volume" |
| 19:10.51 | wols_ | mark_u: correct. not sure if it works if you simply make one drive "dormant". cause it can go one of two ways if that first drive fails: a) /dev/sda still exists but can't be accessed. b) /dev/sda fails so badly, it doesn't exist anymore. I suggest you test your preferred failure scenario to see if it actually works with your configuartion |
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| 19:11.03 | nathan82 | wols_ I had to to create devices in /dev |
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| 19:11.53 | wols_ | mark_u: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548156 |
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| 19:13.07 | frikinz | johnfg: increase debug of openvpn? run tcpdump? |
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| 19:13.56 | johnfg | frikinz, Will increasing the openvpn debug show up when I try to ssh? |
| 19:15.42 | frikinz | johnfg: no, when trying to start openvp as a client? |
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| 19:15.54 | mark_u | wols_: so basically i have to repartition the whole thing and create some non-raid partitions specific for grub. |
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| 19:16.41 | frikinz | johnfg: do both the client and server start properly? |
| 19:16.50 | johnfg | frikinz, Yes. |
| 19:17.15 | Nebsleep | what do I specifically need to have in exim's conf file to make it an open relay server? |
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| 19:18.17 | ksk | lol |
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| 19:18.45 | ksk | it has to accept mail for any target |
| 19:18.56 | ksk | you should be able to manage this via dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 19:19.10 | ksk | but why? :> |
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| 19:20.04 | Nebular | security project, we're learning how to spoof and spot spoofed mail, however I need an open relay to do it |
| 19:20.44 | ompaul | Nebular: prepare to be banned from the internet :) |
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| 19:21.37 | Dulak | If that box is internet facing it will be mere hours before spammers find it, and a day or two before it's listed as a spam site in all the major spam lists. |
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| 19:22.21 | ompaul | Dulak: if it has enough bandwidth it will take less than 10 minutes at a guess, |
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| 19:23.25 | Dulak | You can simulate an open relay by allowing only your own subnet for all mail, which avoids the problems and still lets you do what you need to do. |
| 19:23.53 | Nebular | That helps my classmates not |
| 19:23.58 | Dulak | ompaul: I was being optimistic, I had an intern configure an open relay last year that was being used in under 5 minutes. |
| 19:24.39 | Dulak | Nebular: well your classmates can do the same thing, and your classmates won't do jack to get you off the spam lists. |
| 19:24.47 | ompaul | Dulak: back in the windows 98 days when it was put online in 2000 unsecured it was compromised in 18 seconds |
| 19:24.48 | mark_u | i remember like 7 years ago doing a windows XP install for someone who didnt have a NAT and was plugged into their modem. it had that shutdown virus within 15 min |
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| 19:24.57 | mark_u | good times ;p |
| 19:25.41 | Dulak | Nebular: you can do what you want, but actually running an open relay for any reason is just shooting yourself in the foot. |
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| 19:29.28 | Nebular | ok. Subnet it is. I'll let my classmates SSH into my box and telnet from there into the smtp server. Hopefully the requirement to actually send spoofed email to a working email account won't blacklist me. |
| 19:29.35 | nathan82 | mark_u: the blaster-virus? |
| 19:30.04 | mark_u | haha nathan thats the one |
| 19:30.15 | nathan82 | mark_u: it was there even with nat... i speak from experience... |
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| 19:30.29 | nathan82 | did you know that in fact it was a virus from microsoft? |
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| 19:30.43 | mark_u | no actually, i just knew it was a huge pain in the ass :) |
| 19:31.08 | nathan82 | I remember it very much |
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| 19:33.33 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: you wanted a dir to which 2 groups have access and the rest of the world can't even enter, right? |
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| 19:35.15 | Psychonaut | [thewanderer1]: yeah |
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| 19:35.38 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 and those 2 groups has different permissions, one can only read and the other can read and write |
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| 19:37.49 | nathan82 | guys I'm gonna upgrade to testing... to try out gnome3... if I don't like it... can I step back to squeeze? |
| 19:38.01 | PerfDave | !tell nathan82 about downgrade |
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| 19:38.41 | nathan82 | PerfDave there is a way... |
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| 19:39.22 | nathan82 | the hardway... keeping my laptop harddrive at squeeze... the external goes to testing... if it goes wrong, we'll reinstall via debootstrap/chroot lol |
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| 19:40.03 | nathan82 | nvm PerfDave thx for the info... in case it breaks I still have the internal drive of my laptop at squeeze |
| 19:41.10 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: here is a getfacl dump of my directory which realizes this exact purpose: http://paste.debian.net/132676/ |
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| 19:46.59 | Psychonaut | [thewanderer1]: wait, ill open |
| 19:47.27 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 i did that too |
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| 19:47.48 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 now login as a user from group test1 and try to write at the folder |
| 19:48.00 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 19:48.46 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 worked fine? |
| 19:49.01 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 19:49.22 | Psychonaut | weird. |
| 19:49.25 | thewanderer1 | make sure that this is identical |
| 19:49.42 | thewanderer1 | want a test case in a bash script? |
| 19:49.51 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 ill try again right now |
| 19:50.03 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 i think it could help, in case im doing something different |
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| 19:52.54 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: simple test case which should give you the result: http://paste.debian.net/132678/ |
| 19:53.33 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 exactly what i did. |
| 19:53.42 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 what kernel r u using? |
| 19:53.43 | Psychonaut | rs |
| 19:53.45 | Psychonaut | lol |
| 19:54.20 | bfig | question about pam modules and passwd: i have added a pam module to the passwd stack, and i'm getting some authentication bypassed |
| 19:54.41 | thewanderer1 | Psychonaut: 3.1-rc5... but should work on 2.6.32-5-amd64 too |
| 19:55.10 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 yeah, mine is amd64 |
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| 19:55.25 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 ill install the vm again and try it, good to know that works. |
| 19:55.33 | Psychonaut | thewanderer1 thanks a lot, man. |
| 19:56.48 | bfig | my module is supposed to do this: 1)ask if you want to change some unrelated application password. if you want to, then change it and exit the passwd command. if you don't want to, run the regular passwd |
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| 19:58.00 | bfig | so i'm playing with the sufficient/PAM_IGNORE/required/PAM_SUCCESS to see if i manage to do what i want. the problem is PAM_IGNORE is not working properly, it is not ignoring the module when i don't want to use it |
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| 20:05.59 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: In my experience, the directive is probably working as intended, you're just not understanding it's use properly. AFIK they haven't messed with PAM in a while. |
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| 20:06.31 | bfig | jhutchins_lt, i'm having *exactly* this problem so i'm playing with the sufficient/PAM_IGNORE/required/PAM_SUCCESS to see if i manage to do what i want. the problem is PAM_IGNORE is not working properly, it is not ignoring the module when i don't want to use it |
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| 20:07.00 | bfig | mm that wasn't waht i wanted to paste |
| 20:07.08 | jhutchins_lt | k |
| 20:07.10 | bfig | http://www.spinics.net/lists/pam/msg05902.html |
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| 20:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: I'm really not offering to help, pam is a very tricky maze to figure out. |
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| 20:07.52 | bfig | it's probably a dumb error related to not understanding the PAM_IGNORE flag, but i don't have anyone else to ask |
| 20:07.53 | dhunt | people I have a kernel issue |
| 20:08.36 | bfig | i want to use passwd to change passwords for another application too, so i added a module at the start that asks the user whether he wants to change the other application password or local linux password |
| 20:09.15 | dhunt | kernel-package is broken for 3.0 and I'm trying with make deb-pkg but it creates 400MB debs, what's wrong with it? |
| 20:09.23 | bfig | i set the module as 'password sufficient pam_mymod.so' |
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| 20:10.19 | bfig | if the user answers he wants to change the new app password, i do what i need to do and return PAM_IGNORE |
| 20:10.36 | bfig | if not, i return PAM_SUCCESS which correctly terminates the stack |
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| 20:11.11 | bfig | whenever i use the PAM_IGNORE flag it doesn't quite work like that: it stops asking for authentication for the unix password |
| 20:11.55 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: I think you should pastebin the actual file so someone who knows pam can see what you're actually doing (rather than what you intend to do). |
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| 20:12.13 | bfig | ok |
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| 20:13.08 | bfig | http://hpaste.org/51844 |
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| 20:15.13 | bfig | vim visual copy is not working as intended... |
| 20:15.13 | bfig | repastes |
| 20:16.04 | bfig | http://hpaste.org/51847 |
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| 20:16.31 | delx | Hello |
| 20:16.57 | delx | I have created my first package. Is it possible to ask the user for input at installation (postinst) time? |
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| 20:18.51 | paulfm | hey everyone |
| 20:19.34 | dhunt | kernel-package is broken for 3.0 and I'm trying with "make deb-pkg" but it creates 400MB debs, what's wrong with it? |
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| 20:20.54 | paulfm | Is there a way to upgrade my lenny kernel via apt even though I don't see a newer kernel version listed in aptitude than what was installed (2.6.26-2-686) ? |
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| 20:21.18 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 20:21.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny4) |
| 20:21.49 | Bushmills | yes, there is |
| 20:22.27 | paulfm | judd: thanksâ¦. so how do I see these in aptitude? |
| 20:22.38 | Bushmills | !bpo |
| 20:22.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 20:22.57 | paulfm | Im really trying to update any at a related drivers?.. is this the way to do it?â¦by updating the kernel |
| 20:23.43 | dhunt | paulfm: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and put the backports, then install the new kernel |
| 20:23.49 | paulfm | thanks... |
| 20:24.08 | paulfm | dhunt: thanks⦠so I can't just update the at a drivers outside of a kernel update? |
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| 20:25.04 | paulfm | at a = ata |
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| 20:25.30 | ksk | why not upgrade to squeeze at all? |
| 20:25.54 | dhunt | paulfm: those drivers are in the kernel itself |
| 20:26.16 | paulfm | dhunt: makes sense. Thanks⦠looking into the back ports right now |
| 20:26.33 | paulfm | thanks for all the help fellas |
| 20:27.03 | paulfm | ksk: I am tying to update via ssh⦠and Im hoping a kernel update is easier than diet upgrade |
| 20:27.08 | paulfm | dist upgrade |
| 20:27.43 | ksk | mhm, never had problems during an lenny->squeeze upgrade |
| 20:27.52 | ksk | but can be sucky if you only have ssh, yes.. |
| 20:28.18 | paulfm | ksk: yeah.. just trying to take safest route to at a driver update :-) |
| 20:28.39 | paulfm | thanks⦠looking at back ports⦠looks promising |
| 20:29.04 | paulfm | lunch time for me :-)) |
| 20:29.15 | paulfm | dhunt: thanks for the help |
| 20:29.29 | paulfm | thanks to ksk also and Bushmills |
| 20:29.37 | paulfm | see u in a few |
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| 20:31.33 | dhunt | anybody here have compiled linux 3.0 with "make deb-pkg" succesfully? |
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| 20:38.57 | p3rror | hello |
| 20:39.08 | p3rror | i'm looking to install cheops |
| 20:39.14 | p3rror | in my debian box |
| 20:39.39 | p3rror | and i get this error configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
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| 20:39.57 | p3rror | even no gnomeConf.sh in apt-file |
| 20:40.50 | orudie | does Debian use LILO ? |
| 20:41.27 | dhunt | you can use lilo or grub |
| 20:41.55 | somiaj | orudie: default has been grub for some time, but lilo is still around |
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| 20:47.59 | lotus-blade | is there a new version of iceweasel? I am getting browser is outdated errors. |
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| 20:51.18 | streuner | mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 20:52.14 | streuner | dpkg, iceweasel backports |
| 20:52.14 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
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| 20:56.33 | dhunt | dpkg: some colors would'nt be bad for that page |
| 20:56.33 | dpkg | dhunt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:01.24 | daemonkeeper | !bot |
| 21:01.24 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:01.34 | dimir | ye, right. |
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| 21:02.21 | scampbell | Does grub2 itself ever get updated? I'm wondering how it should know that there are two grubs (a software system) to update. Maybe there's no such thing as a grub2 update. |
| 21:02.33 | scampbell | er, software raid system. |
| 21:03.34 | valdyn | scampbell: why would grub2 never get updated? |
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| 21:06.13 | scampbell | I'm trying to find out 'how' it would perform an update on a soft raided system. How does it know to update 2 different disks. Haven't found diddly in the files yet... |
| 21:06.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | So last night I spent a lot of Time on here trying to fix my eth0 Network connection... |
| 21:06.37 | nathan82 | and did it work out? |
| 21:06.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | it just occured to me, since I have not completed the lenny to Squeeze upgrade, I still have lenny kernal |
| 21:07.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | would i possibly still have my eth0 network available on the lenny kernal to complete the dis-upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 21:09.07 | nathan82 | perhaps... but you could still end up with the same issue.... |
| 21:09.15 | valdyn | scampbell: it doesnt necessarily need to update 2 different disks |
| 21:09.29 | scampbell | Got a guy remotely who installed his software raid system but only wrote grub to one disk. I'm not sure what I need to do to make it right. I can just grub-install the other disk but I'm wondering how updates get handled. |
| 21:09.50 | valdyn | scampbell: there's *one* grub image that you install to *one* disk by default |
| 21:10.08 | valdyn | scampbell: but youre free to select more than one when you are prompted |
| 21:10.24 | valdyn | scampbell: none of those has to be on the raid, but any of them can be |
| 21:10.25 | scampbell | right, but if we get a new 'grub' image will both drives get updated? |
| 21:10.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | If i do not have it, seeing as i can only use an internet upgrade[no money to buy discs, no flash drive and idk anyone locally that uses ANY linux, much less Debian] is there a way to reverse and try again? |
| 21:10.43 | scampbell | just the biosgrub partition is what i'm thinking about. |
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| 21:10.52 | nathan82 | no there isn't... |
| 21:11.02 | nathan82 | !tell Darkelfjuggalo about downgrade |
| 21:11.15 | valdyn | scampbell: you get a dialogue, prompted by debconf where you confirm your previous choice of block devices to write the grub image to |
| 21:11.37 | Darkelfjuggalo | So I have to start from Scratch with my etch discs that i bought a few years ago and try again? |
| 21:12.06 | scampbell | valdyn: Ah... you just hit it for me. It's probably in debconf that it 'remembers' to do both drives. |
| 21:12.07 | nathan82 | can't you keep your lenny kernel at bay? |
| 21:12.10 | valdyn | scampbell: and let me confirm that this is totally unrelated to raid, its a general thing with a boot manager that you can install it anywhere |
| 21:12.56 | scampbell | valdyn: yep, I understand. I got a guy who remotely only installed grub on one disk of his software raid. i want to make it so, in the future, his updates go smoothly. |
| 21:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: How much of the install guide have you read? |
| 21:13.17 | valdyn | scampbell: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 21:13.18 | scampbell | I'm almost embarrassed that I didn't realize that the stored answer to the debconf question is in frickin' debconf :) |
| 21:13.23 | scampbell | yep |
| 21:13.25 | scampbell | ty ty |
| 21:13.31 | nathan82 | how can darkelf keep his lenny-kernel and install a squeeze-kernel? |
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| 21:13.53 | valdyn | scampbell: on top of that you need to either have only 2 disks or install grub to *all* disks that you bios might make primary in case one breaks |
| 21:13.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | Nathan82: I have no experience with linux... when i bought the discs, I could not find help...this time I emailed contributors until someone responded...so i'm in the dark on most of the terminology |
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| 21:14.29 | valdyn | scampbell: ( or naturally, fix your bios when one disk breaks ) |
| 21:14.33 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: You should also check out the mailing lists, but have you read the install guide yet? |
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| 21:14.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | I have the squeeze kernal, Nathan... but when i installed it i lost my eth0 network |
| 21:15.13 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: squeeze has firmware that was yet part of the kernel in lenny in a seperate package. You might need that |
| 21:15.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | I've read thru chapter 4 jhutchins |
| 21:15.23 | scampbell | valdyn: yep. Got a bunch of machines out there, just this one was done wrong. I don't do "almost fixed" :) |
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| 21:15.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | Valdyn: I did the minimum system upgrade already |
| 21:16.02 | scampbell | embarrassing really though, I just finished a preseed with custom udebs and I didn't think about debconf's db... <blush> |
| 21:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: What have you tried to fix the ethernet on squeeze? Do you need firmware? |
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| 21:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Rebooting to the stock .26 lenny kernel would probably cause problems with udev. |
| 21:16.32 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: so? does that involve the firmware thing? |
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| 21:17.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | Someone suggested various 'if' commands to tried to activate it [it says it is there, but ifdown says not configured, ifconfig says it configures, ifup doesn't recognize the eth0] |
| 21:17.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | what is firmware? |
| 21:18.07 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 21:18.07 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 21:18.18 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: You didn't read the release notes for squeeze, did you? |
| 21:18.26 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: what is listed in "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 21:19.04 | Darkelfjuggalo | I did as the release noted instructed as i got to it, but I only understood 'type this into terminal' |
| 21:19.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | Valdyn: eth0 and lo are listed, but eth0 isn't recognized |
| 21:19.57 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm trying to sort by 2 fields using `sort -t " " -k1 -k2, but it's sorting only by the first field. any ideas? |
| 21:20.20 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: *you* say that its not recognised, i say it is, and it is listed |
| 21:20.26 | thewanderer1 | oh nvm, shit in => shit out |
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| 21:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: That's more civilly abbreviated "gigo". |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: run "dhclient eth0" and let us know what happens |
| 21:21.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | the Interface commands to not recognize it... |
| 21:21.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | give me a moment |
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| 21:23.39 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: thanks, kind of forgot that one :P |
| 21:24.06 | Darkelfjuggalo | do i need to do a paste to show you? |
| 21:24.36 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: if you fail to describe the output properly |
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| 21:25.08 | Darkelfjuggalo | i dont understand what it means so i'll put it to paste zone |
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| 21:30.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132693/ |
| 21:30.47 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: your network card is fine |
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| 21:31.53 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: what was the issue actually that brought you to think the network card was "not recognised" ? |
| 21:32.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | my ethernet port is not picking up ethernet cord pluged into it |
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| 21:32.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | give me a moment and i'll get you the IF commands messages |
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| 21:43.59 | iateadonut | you know in hosts how you can define an ip address as a hostname? is there a way to define a ip address and a directory as a hostname, like 127.0.0.1/testing/website testwebsite or something along those lines? |
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| 21:45.02 | nathwill | no |
| 21:45.32 | PerfDave | iateadonut: No, that makes no sense |
| 21:45.57 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132697/ |
| 21:46.01 | somiaj | iateadonut: do you want to be able to type 'foobar' into your webbrowser and get sent to a subdirectory in it? |
| 21:46.52 | iateadonut | yes, because an extensive part of the code that i am testing sends you to a file in your root directory. |
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| 21:47.24 | iateadonut | but the subdirectory also has to be hosted, so that php files will execute |
| 21:47.29 | somiaj | iateadonut: the hosts file only assigns a name to an ip |
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| 21:47.53 | nathwill | iateadonut: i think you want to use apache vhosts w/ the document root set to whatever dir you want the browser to think is the webroot |
| 21:47.56 | iateadonut | so the only way is to make a virtual host in apache or change the code, right? |
| 21:48.05 | somiaj | iateadonut: you could set up apache (or your webserver) to take a hostname and redirct it to the right dir, with either vhosts or some mod_rewrite rule |
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| 21:48.22 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 21:49.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | Valdyn or jhutchins_lt, either of you reading that? |
| 21:51.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | be back in a few |
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| 21:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | He's either got garbage in his interfaces file or network-manager is messing with things. |
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| 21:56.14 | nathwill | jhutchins_lt: you looked at synclient? |
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| 22:01.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so my network card is just fine apparently interface commands will not activate my eth0, anyone got another suggestion? |
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| 22:03.12 | ompaul | Darkelfjuggalo: try ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 22:04.08 | Darkelfjuggalo | ompaul: did that, no additional message, what next? |
| 22:04.15 | ompaul | type ifconfig |
| 22:05.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | only show lo [which is all it showed last night with just ifconfig] |
| 22:06.14 | ompaul | it's done |
| 22:06.20 | ompaul | ifconfig is the command you wanted |
| 22:06.37 | ompaul | now ifconfig eth0 up and see what you get |
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| 22:08.37 | unseensoul | Gsynaptics/Gpointing-device-settings is unable to detect my laptop's touchpad. How can I solve this? |
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| 22:12.52 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132704/ |
| 22:13.47 | lotus-blade | is there a way to get flash 10.3? I keep getting 11.1rc1 installed and I can not run flash apps |
| 22:14.11 | aypea[2] | manual download I'm betting. |
| 22:15.23 | aypea[2] | being in 64bit land i'm stuck on 11. go securisomething. |
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| 22:16.49 | lotus-blade | stuck with 11 her too on 64bit. can't get my school site to load with this |
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| 22:17.34 | streuner | Are you talking about acroread? |
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| 22:19.00 | streuner | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:19.02 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
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| 22:24.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok someone starts helping me, then they vanish while i'm getting the information they asked for... |
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| 22:26.58 | craigevil | !Adobe Flash |
| 22:26.58 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 22:31.29 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok did someone reply while i was disconected? |
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| 22:34.20 | streuner | no |
| 22:35.53 | streuner | great, but he should be able to get that by himself |
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| 22:38.08 | daveo | there is rumblings that flash will die when html5-video is universal |
| 22:38.49 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | so no1 is going to remind me the command to restart my network to test that my eth0 is picking up a signal from my ethernet cable? |
| 22:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: We are just fellow Debian users, sometimes waiting for our own answers. We have lives, and jobs. If I do this at work, I have to show some kind of return for the company. |
| 22:39.07 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: If I do it at home, there are other things and people that demand my time. |
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| 22:39.44 | daveo | gives jhutchins_lt a pat on the back for being a good fellow |
| 22:40.32 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: My guess is that you either have cruft in your interfaces file or network-manager is "helping". |
| 22:40.35 | themill | Darkelfjuggalo1: there's no way to just "restart a network". You can "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" if that's what you want. |
| 22:41.41 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | reboot a network then... i know I was given the command to do one or the other last night |
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| 22:41.57 | PerfDave | mii-tool should tell you whether a network card is connected to something interesting. |
| 22:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: /etc/init.d/networking restart used to work, but with your problems it might not. |
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| 22:42.44 | themill | it never really worked at all... it's just more honest about it now. |
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| 22:44.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok i'll reboot my computer and see if that does anything |
| 22:44.55 | streuner | no need to do that, just listen to themill |
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| 22:45.47 | streuner | connection problems arent solved via reboot in Debian, you just restart it |
| 22:47.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok well i'll work on it more after dinner |
| 22:47.38 | yagoo | i know this is a bit offtopic.. but anyone knows where i can find a similar program for linux? ( http://www.wizbrother.com/cyberarticle/screenshots.html ) |
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| 22:48.34 | yagoo | sorry i got disconnected.. i repost my question.. |
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| 23:04.20 | ir8 | Hello all. |
| 23:04.26 | ir8 | I have a fast question for someone. |
| 23:04.37 | ir8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.42 | ir8 | I can not install that one dep |
| 23:04.58 | ir8 | is there another way to install postgres 9 without using the source? |
| 23:06.05 | PerfDave | AminCX: iftop |
| 23:06.22 | PerfDave | ir8: Another way than what? |
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| 23:06.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | ir8: do you want to install postgres from backports? |
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| 23:07.13 | AminCX | well, i know them but do you know anything that have something like a web interface ? |
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| 23:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | AminCX: mrtg |
| 23:08.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | netdisco perhaps |
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| 23:09.04 | ir8 | yes |
| 23:09.31 | AminCX | jhutchins_lt: does it show traffic rates per tcp connection ?! |
| 23:09.45 | ir8 | Kamping_Kaiser: yes backports |
| 23:09.52 | jhutchins_lt | AminCX: It does lots of stuff. |
| 23:09.58 | ir8 | Kamping_Kaiser: How else can this be done? |
| 23:10.03 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok back. anyother suggestions? |
| 23:10.19 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: My guess is that you either have cruft in your interfaces file or network-manager is "helping". |
| 23:10.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | ir8: i suspect your libpq-dev and or libpq5 are coming from the main repo. try installing libpq5 from backports and see what version you get |
| 23:10.40 | AminCX | jhutchins_lt: ok, then i am going to test it now, thanks a lot. |
| 23:11.00 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | jhutchins how do i do that? |
| 23:11.10 | PerfDave | AminCX: A web interface isn't something you asked for, you asked for a command-line app :) |
| 23:11.11 | jhutchins_lt | AminCX: I suggest that you spend some time reading the website and the docs. |
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| 23:12.02 | themill | ir8: it would help to see the command that's generating this output as well as the complete output. Please use a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste |
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| 23:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo1: Read the manpage for interfaces. Figure out why each line is there and what it's doing. See if network-manager is installed/running. |
| 23:12.19 | ir8 | sure one sec. |
| 23:12.45 | AminCX | PerfDave: yes i know but they does not fit my needs, because of latency of refresh and other things and this is confusing me . thank you by the way . |
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| 23:13.40 | ir8 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpq-dev : Depends: libpq5 (= 8.4.8-0squeeze2~bpo50+1) but 9.0.4-1~bpo50+1 is to be installed |
| 23:13.43 | ir8 | hmmm |
| 23:14.44 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | telling me what i need to do is all fine and dandy, but without a how to, i'm not getting anywhere |
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| 23:15.21 | themill | ir8: full command and full output â http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 23:15.41 | ir8 | http://paste.debian.net/132716/ |
| 23:15.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Darkelfjuggalo1 about networking |
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| 23:16.55 | themill | ir8: why are you mixing lenny-backports and squeeze? |
| 23:17.08 | ir8 | well, I need to install postgres 9.0 |
| 23:17.12 | streuner | ir8: please show us your sources.list too |
| 23:17.18 | ir8 | sure. |
| 23:17.59 | ir8 | http://paste.debian.net/132717/ |
| 23:18.42 | ir8 | hmm. |
| 23:18.45 | themill | ir8: do you think you're running lenny or squeeze here? What's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl"? |
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| 23:19.22 | ir8 | http://paste.debian.net/132719/ |
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| 23:20.24 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like he's installing lenny backports on a squeeze system. Always good for fun and laughs. |
| 23:20.27 | ir8 | this makes no sense its a new install of debian as well. |
| 23:20.35 | themill | ir8: ok, so you're really running squeeze. Get rid of those "lenny-backports" lines from your sources.list and uncomment the squeeze lines. |
| 23:20.42 | themill | not that new |
| 23:21.02 | streuner | mention <bobbitt> :-P |
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| 23:21.14 | themill | ir8: if you want postgresql-9.0 then you should add "squeeze-backports" to your sources.list instead. |
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| 23:21.45 | ir8 | have a link for them? |
| 23:21.57 | themill | dpkg: tell ir8 about squeeze-backports |
| 23:22.36 | streuner | anyway |
| 23:22.40 | streuner | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 23:22.40 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:23.45 | ir8 | success! |
| 23:23.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 23:23.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ++ |
| 23:23.52 | dpkg | well, + is a nice kitty, or a way to force me to answer in public (like, "~+foo" -> "<apt> foo is bar") |
| 23:23.56 | ir8 | themill: thanks pal. |
| 23:24.05 | streuner | ir8: well, first prio is in Debian a clean sources.list, otherwise you get a lot of headaches |
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| 23:25.52 | ir8 | what package provides pg_config |
| 23:25.53 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 23:26.07 | streuner | ir8: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:28.48 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok I'm reading the link given to me and found the manual in my terminal... I'm not understanding what I should be doing though |
| 23:28.54 | ir8 | this is strange pg_config |
| 23:29.02 | obsd123 | what's the best way to upgrade something (kde for example) from backports with aptitude? |
| 23:29.03 | ir8 | is not able to be found unless i missed something. |
| 23:29.16 | streuner | judd, file pg_config |
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| 23:29.20 | judd | Search for pg_config in squeeze/i386: libpq-dev: usr/bin/pg_config; postgresql-server-dev-8.4: usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/pg_config |
| 23:30.01 | ir8 | this is for postgres 8.4? |
| 23:30.06 | streuner | sure |
| 23:30.17 | streuner | in default squeeze |
| 23:30.25 | ir8 | unless 9/0 does not support it? |
| 23:31.19 | ir8 | apt-ghttp://pastebin.com/PzfEDBXL |
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| 23:31.22 | streuner | no idea, but how about to look at packages.debian.org and look at the filelist of backports? |
| 23:31.30 | ir8 | any clues? |
| 23:31.44 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: do you have this file: type, ls -l /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 23:31.52 | daveo | try #postgresql? |
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| 23:32.28 | ir8 | I have this install on my freebsd boxes complete a-ok. However this debian install is iffy. strange. |
| 23:32.46 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | No LtL, Only thing in the Network Manager Folder is Dispatcher.d |
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| 23:34.15 | streuner | ir8: true - http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/i386/postgresql-9.0/filelist |
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| 23:35.48 | ir8 | streuner: yeah i need to install development packages. |
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| 23:36.32 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: make sure /etc/network/interfaces looks like this for a start. http://pastebin.com/dUkf4mXr |
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| 23:38.34 | ir8 | I have no idea wtf is going with this. |
| 23:38.50 | ir8 | It used to use work. heh. |
| 23:39.30 | adminewb | Is it reasonable to expect this wine 1.3.29 source tarball, unpatched for debian afaik, to build correctly for a debian squeeze installation (not just sid)? http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 23:40.43 | streuner | ir8: sorry, my mistake - http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/i386/libpq-dev/filelist |
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| 23:42.20 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello there. I just installed Stable with nothing but the Laptop task selected on my new Hp Elitebook 8440p with nVidia NVS 3100M graphics. Right after the initial boot messages, the screen goes completely blank. [CTRL] + ALT + F1/2/3 does nothing. It seems I can log in and issue commands, but how can I make the console visible? |
| 23:42.50 | Pegasus_RPG | wonders if this is that damned nouveau getting in the way again...can I blacklist it while typing blindly? |
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| 23:43.13 | streuner | Pegasus_RPG: how about to just remove the driver? |
| 23:43.36 | Pegasus_RPG | modprobe -r nouveau doesn't seem to do anything (my screen remains blank) |
| 23:43.40 | aypea[2] | Pegasus_RPG: log in into single user mode. if that's not good enough use init=/bin/bash on the boot line. |
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| 23:49.15 | Pegasus_RPG | aypea[2]: single user mode doesn't help, though it does confirm that nouveau is suspect since that's the last few messages I see before losing the display. init=/bin/bash works but the FS is read-only. Oh well, guess I'll boot the install stick into rescue mode and blacklist that s--t |
| 23:49.25 | adminewb | understands not how source packages work with apt, if they do |
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| 23:52.38 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: now run this, type: 'ps aux |grep NetworkManager' no quotes it's [case-sensitive] |
| 23:52.49 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: you there? |
| 23:52.50 | CoreXeT | anonymous |
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