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| 00:00.36 | cmdbbq | so, uh, i am trying to do a fresh install. i previously installed the same version from the same usb stick without any issue on to the same tower. i messed around and broke this install and want to start from scratch, only now the installer complains that i need non-free firmware rt1_nic/rt18168d-2.fw in order to configure my network device. Why would the installer (6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst) need this missing firmware now, but not this morning |
| 00:02.00 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: you've probably lost faith in me, check /etc/resolv.conf, set eth0 to auto, check for or start dhclient. afk/bbl |
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| 00:02.13 | cmdbbq | I don't even think the drivers it wants are the right drivers |
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| 00:02.43 | icarious | is it safe enough to perform a dist-upgrade using backports? Or its better to use packages from backports on "when-needed" basis. |
| 00:03.25 | Pegasus_RPG | yup, my problem was nouveau. Why is that enabled by default? It has never worked for me. |
| 00:03.36 | daemonkeeper | You can't dist-upgrade by using backports (by definition). |
| 00:03.45 | daemonkeeper | also backports aren't available for every package. |
| 00:04.20 | icarious | daemonkeeper: but running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports dist-upgrade" is listing many new packages. even the kernel.. so will it be stable enough? |
| 00:04.45 | daemonkeeper | If you are worried about stability you should probably keep the stable version. |
| 00:04.58 | daemonkeeper | But generally a backport is reasonable stable. |
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| 00:05.44 | icarious | daemonkeeper: so later on, if a package is more updated in stable than the currently installed backports one. it will be updated automatically using apt right? |
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| 00:06.28 | daemonkeeper | You can safely upgrade to a backported version and still retain safe upgrade paths to Squeeze+1 (Wheezy) |
| 00:06.53 | icarious | daemonkeeper: ok , thanks |
| 00:07.36 | fahi | Hi, can how somehow influence how network interfaces are named in wheezy? I installed debian on another machine and my interfaces are now named eth1 and wlan1, but I want them to be eth0 and wlan1 (which don't exist right now) |
| 00:09.01 | daemonkeeper | !70 |
| 00:09.02 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 00:09.25 | ir8 | Hey guys apt-get remove postgres* worked and i was able to reinstall. |
| 00:09.33 | fahi | daemonkeeper: thank you |
| 00:09.46 | obsd123 | dpkg: udev rules |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html (removed at udev v151), or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 00:10.36 | ir8 | thanks guys :D |
| 00:10.37 | obsd123 | dpkg: oops, sorry -- meant to direct that at fahi |
| 00:10.37 | dpkg | obsd123: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:10.52 | daemonkeeper | obsd123: dpkg tell <nick> about <key> |
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| 00:15.14 | pipegeek | Good afternoon. I'm trying to set up an internal partial debian mirror using debmirror, and debmirror is exiting after 404ing on a number of gziped files from ...../Packages.diff/. My output is here: https://gist.github.com/1246615. Any idea what's going on? |
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| 00:29.49 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i know if i am using DHCP? my initial Etch install i didn't set it up[couldn't figure out how] and i have no idea if it was installed later |
| 00:30.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | etch? |
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| 00:30.20 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: are you hooked up to a router? |
| 00:31.30 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: almost all routers use a dhcp server, most all isp's use dhcp, so yes, its extremely likely you use dhcp |
| 00:32.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | Yes i am running through a router |
| 00:33.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | idk IF it was set-up during any update |
| 00:33.31 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: type: 'ps aux |grep NetworkManager' no quotes it's [case-sensitive] |
| 00:33.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | i know when i attempted to set it up in my initial etch install i could not |
| 00:33.39 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: its automatic |
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| 00:34.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok what am i looking for? |
| 00:35.02 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: does grep show a big line with NetworkManager in it |
| 00:36.33 | pipegeek | Hi, folks. So, I'm trying to set up an internal partial debian mirror using debmirror, and debmirror is exiting after 404ing on a number of gziped files from ...../Packages.diff/. My output is here: https://gist.github.com/1246615. Any idea what's going on? |
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| 00:38.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | pid-file /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid |
| 00:38.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | and another with NetworkManagerDispatcher.pid |
| 00:39.23 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: cat /etc/resolv.conf are there a few lines in it |
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| 00:40.20 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: domain, search, and a nameserver or two? |
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| 00:41.25 | Trollymctroll | I farted and pooped my pants. |
| 00:41.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | with erh 'cat /etc/resolve.conf' is that exactly what i need to type? |
| 00:42.07 | neil_m | :) |
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| 00:43.47 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: yes |
| 00:44.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i see the p[roblem i missed a '/' in the cat. |
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| 00:46.07 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | listed nameserver 208.180.42.68 and nameserver 208.180.42.100 |
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| 00:49.00 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: good, go here and make your /etc/network/interfaces file look like this http://pastebin.com/ts4MD6q5 |
| 00:49.26 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: just comment out the old lines with a # |
| 00:51.19 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | LtL: it already looks like that |
| 00:52.03 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | aside from having only 1 # The loopback network interface |
| 00:52.08 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: with auto for eth0? |
| 00:53.22 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: type /etc/init.d/networking restart note - it must list 'lo' and 'eth0' |
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| 00:57.28 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: after restarting networking run /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 00:58.14 | cmdbbq | i need to get ahold of these drivers: http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-realtek |
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| 00:59.20 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: progress? |
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| 01:01.36 | utrrrongeeb | Any indication when Wheezy will get the icedtea browser Java plugin? Squeeze and Sid have it.... |
| 01:02.03 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.55 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: in /etc/network/interfaces must say auto for both looback and eth0 |
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| 01:04.14 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | it does |
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| 01:04.38 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ok i ran it and /sbin/ifconfig |
| 01:04.45 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: ok, run /sbin/ifconfig see if eth0 is there |
| 01:04.53 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | eth0 is there |
| 01:05.10 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: type ping -c 5 google.com |
| 01:05.53 | oobe | I just saw this in my logs this morning wondering if I should be worried about drive failure http://pastebin.com/nvgRkJTE |
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| 01:06.15 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received |
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| 01:06.23 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: its working |
| 01:06.28 | nathwill | woo hoo! |
| 01:06.33 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: a browser |
| 01:06.49 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: er. try a browser |
| 01:07.26 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | the browser is working now after i unchecked work offline |
| 01:07.42 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | now i should be able to finish my upgrade? |
| 01:07.43 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: cool |
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| 01:08.08 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | should I do it from console or Graphic desktop? |
| 01:09.07 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: Thats up to you, synaptic will do |
| 01:09.37 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: if its not a complete upgrade cli might be safer |
| 01:09.40 | danols | hi guys i've noticed mail going to root@mydomain.com are deposited in /var/mail/mail wheras my normal user account mail go to ~/Maildir --- why is root mail going a different place ??? |
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| 01:10.10 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | all i have left is the Dist-upgrade |
| 01:10.39 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: what did you use before? |
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| 01:11.29 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | all I've done is follow the release notes for minimum system upgrade to get the kernal, GRUB, and udev |
| 01:12.30 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: i'd have to check the exact syntax, sec |
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| 01:12.58 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | it was after that system rebot that the connection went out, and that all used the terminal... for the dist-upgrade from etch to lenny i used console bc my graphic desktop crashed somewhere in the middle of it |
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| 01:13.44 | Marsi | Why do they call it asbestos abatement and not asbestos removal? |
| 01:13.49 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: you started all this from etch??? |
| 01:14.10 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes...it's the only disks i have |
| 01:14.37 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | ihave a 3 disk set for etch 4.0r4 i think it is |
| 01:14.50 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: whew, so you've gone from etch to lenny to now being a squeeze initial install? |
| 01:15.06 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yet my install never once asked for disks 2 or 3... |
| 01:15.07 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes |
| 01:15.36 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | been working on this for almost a week [wed or thurs last week] |
| 01:15.47 | danols | hi guys i've noticed mail going to root@mydomain.com are deposited in /var/mail/mail wheras my normal user account mail go to ~/Maildir --- why is root mail going a different place ??? |
| 01:16.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | danols: becuase your mail server is configured that way |
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| 01:17.27 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: is your sources file in order? |
| 01:18.32 | danols | Kamping_Kaiser: ok but why ? why isn't it setup to go to ~/Mbox for root like it does for other normal users |
| 01:18.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes, i followed the Squeeze source from the documenttion when moving from lenny to squeeze |
| 01:19.04 | danols | also it seems form reading that it should /var/mail/root rather than /var/mail/mail |
| 01:19.10 | danols | I'm just trying to understand and learn here |
| 01:19.24 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | most of the first 2 days was trying to find someone to help me[spent a day trying to get pidgin on the debian laptop before i said screw it and put it on my parents computers] |
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| 01:19.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | danols: i don't know why it would be ending up as 'mail', unless its being sent to the 'mail' user |
| 01:19.57 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: ask the channel the safest way to proceed with a full-upgrade, which i believe aptitude uses instead of dist-upgrade, or use apt-get. |
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| 01:20.15 | danols | Kamping_Kaiser: in my alias I have mail: root though |
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| 01:20.34 | danols | my testing consists me sending to root@mydomain.com |
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| 01:20.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | danols: do you have an alias for root to another user? |
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| 01:20.54 | chronos | good night. |
| 01:21.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | i simply send all root mail to my user account; i suspect its a fairly standard setup |
| 01:21.37 | danols | Kamping_Kaiser: nope not yet --- I was setting an alias when I noticed this odity and so I am asking |
| 01:22.00 | chronos | there is someway to configure apt-get or aptitude to use axel download manager with some easy conf instead use apt-fast.sh ? |
| 01:22.14 | chronos | like we do with Gentoo configuring download command |
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| 01:22.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | no |
| 01:22.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | chronos: that no is for you :) |
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| 01:23.30 | danols | looks like I'm not the only one asking http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48944&start=30 |
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| 01:24.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | danols: i don't recall off hand why roots mail always goes to var/mail |
| 01:24.34 | chronos | Kamping_Kaiser: np |
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| 01:26.58 | danols | Kamping_Kaiser: see the last post in this thread http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48944&start=30 |
| 01:27.00 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: have you installed dpkg, apt, and aptitude ? |
| 01:27.06 | danols | it's a default setting if root: is not aliased to anyhthing |
| 01:27.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | sounds right |
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| 01:28.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | danols: ah, interesting |
| 01:28.35 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | the documentation says squeeze is better with apt-get |
| 01:28.48 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | im just not sure if Console is safer for me... |
| 01:28.49 | danols | yeah mystery solved |
| 01:29.02 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: well you installed udev and a kernel first right? |
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| 01:30.23 | danols | ok back to setting up /etc/aliases |
| 01:30.25 | danols | question |
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| 01:30.31 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes |
| 01:31.01 | danols | can I just arbitrarily specify non-existent-account : root |
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| 01:31.08 | danols | than root: my normal user account |
| 01:31.21 | danols | and will then email non-existent-account@mydomain.com be delieverd to my regular account ? |
| 01:31.38 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: type uname -r in a term |
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| 01:32.07 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: 2.6.32-5 right? |
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| 01:34.36 | danols | ok I have my /etc/aliases setup -- however is there any way to prefix or something distinguish which account the email was intendent for ? i.e. info from no-replay aliases |
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| 01:37.19 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | yes |
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| 01:38.38 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: the notes say to update dpkg and apt, have you? |
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| 01:39.55 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: i would say it's safe to run, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:41.09 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: dude... ya with me |
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| 01:43.52 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: correction, upgrade apt dpkg and aptitude, we can check to see if you have first. |
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| 01:45.27 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | upgrade through what program? |
| 01:46.30 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: via apt-get or aptitude |
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| 01:46.46 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: want to type a check first? |
| 01:48.07 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: in a term type 'dpkg -s dpkg' it should return version 1.15.8.11 this is a 64 bit kernel mind you |
| 01:48.38 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | i updated the apt-get then i run and upgrade of the three thru apt-get that is working now |
| 01:49.45 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | im using i386 |
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| 01:50.08 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: ok, apt-get dist-upgrade if you're sure you didnt miss steps, you'll know immediately if you didnt i would think. |
| 01:50.17 | obsd123 | can anyone point me to some docs for the matching behavior of /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 01:50.53 | obsd123 | specifically the Package declaration |
| 01:51.08 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: if you followed the steps correctly go for it, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:52.12 | rypervenche | What are some other cell phones that you can boostrap Debian onto aside from the Nokia N900? Or would I be best off getting one of those? |
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| 01:53.58 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo1: if it's thrashing on the upgrade tell me, the suspense is mounting here! |
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| 01:56.00 | DetroitLibertyPe | I've still got no sound, is there away to just restore all my sound defaults and start over? |
| 01:56.09 | LtL | rypervenche: tried google? |
| 01:56.45 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: start exactly what over? |
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| 01:56.58 | DetroitLibertyPe | Ltl, that's a good question |
| 01:57.18 | DetroitLibertyPe | I've jsut fusted with so many things, that nothing I think is anywhere anymore |
| 01:57.39 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: youre in the midst of a dist-upgrade, sound may not work yet |
| 01:57.55 | DetroitLibertyPe | oh no, not doing that |
| 01:58.39 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: umm, doing sound you mean? or the dist-upgrade |
| 01:59.19 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | those 3 appear to upgrade fine, i'm going to attempt the dist-upgrade in Console just to keep it it off my graphics so i don't crash that again |
| 01:59.32 | DetroitLibertyPe | Ltl, i'm not doing a dist-upgrade, what would make you think I am |
| 01:59.37 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: go for it !!! |
| 02:00.00 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: i thought that was the whole point? |
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| 02:00.20 | DetroitLibertyPe | Ltl, What the heck are you talking about? |
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| 02:01.07 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: oh man, i dunno, type, 'apt-get update && apt-get' upgrade then |
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| 02:01.24 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: oh man, i dunno, type, 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ssorry |
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| 02:01.35 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I have everything updated |
| 02:01.45 | locojay_ | hi does debian have support for ethernet AppleBCM5701 |
| 02:01.51 | DetroitLibertyPe | I just have never had my sound work correctly on this machine |
| 02:02.00 | locojay_ | i get no network device found on a new mac mini 2011 |
| 02:02.18 | robysath | Help: I downloaded firmware-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso and booted on it but it still is looking for firmware for broadcom and intel wifi. What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:02.37 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: My apologies, i thought you were doing a etch to lenny to squeeze a minute ago |
| 02:03.22 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, uhm, no. We've talked before, I bought a brand new machine preinstalled with Squeeze last week and I has no audio |
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| 02:04.26 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: install alsamixergui and set everything to max volumes |
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| 02:06.19 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, thats been done |
| 02:06.38 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: i dunno how i got that confused reading all these threads, i was helping soeone with sound the other night too. |
| 02:07.07 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: lsmod |grep snd |
| 02:07.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, there's a good chance that was me, you were helping me out Thursday and Friday |
| 02:07.46 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: my bad, i musta confused the hell outa you |
| 02:08.09 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, honestly I thought someone stole your nick |
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| 02:09.20 | DetroitLibertyPe | http://pastebin.com/AcTkv1E2 LtL |
| 02:10.59 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: my nick is registered |
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| 02:13.00 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: the pastebin looks ok |
| 02:13.07 | locojay_ | any idea on AppleBCM5701 driver |
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| 02:14.05 | dvs | DetroitLibertyPe: Backported kernel? |
| 02:14.06 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: click on the speaker on your desktop , you using gnome? |
| 02:15.49 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I have Gnome, LXDE, adn KDE installed, currently I'm in KDE |
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| 02:16.16 | LtL | dvs: i believe he's running squeeze stable kernel |
| 02:16.35 | dvs | Oh? version 3? |
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| 02:17.08 | ir8 | thanks guys. |
| 02:17.09 | dvs | Yeah, I'd try a backported kernel (2.6.38 I think) |
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| 02:17.36 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: I haven't used kde lately but in system - preferences - sound you can do some checking, you want to use alsa for sound. |
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| 02:19.06 | ebzzry | Hi! How can I mount an lvm filesystem in the initramfs? |
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| 02:19.46 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, In all of my Sound settings, I usually have two options RS880 Audio Device (HDMI) and Internal Audio Analog Stereo, I should have at least two more, I would think , my USB headset, and my Bluetooth Stereo |
| 02:21.10 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: you can try HDMI |
| 02:21.39 | DetroitLibertyPe | well I know HDMI won't do me anything as I have nothing connected to the HDMI port on the machine |
| 02:21.50 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: What device was alsamixer using? |
| 02:22.05 | ebzzry | Hi! How can I mount an lvm filesystem in the initramfs, when I got dropped to it because I forgot to edit my /etc/fstab? |
| 02:22.15 | DetroitLibertyPe | HDA ATI SB |
| 02:22.35 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: that one |
| 02:23.00 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: now i remember |
| 02:24.05 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, sometimes it will just start working, very quietly, like if I mute or unmute, but the next time I log in it decides not to work again |
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| 02:24.56 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: i recall, and i have no idea whats wrong there |
| 02:25.23 | symbole | I have two VM's (A and B) that are able to ping each other. A is running a service on port 8020, and I'm able to telnet to that port locally. When I try and telnet to port 8020 from B, the connection is refused. A does run other services that are accesible by B, e.g., port 50070. Netstat for A shows "A:8020" and "[::]:50070" under Local Address. Does that mean only connections originating from A can connect to port 8020, therefore all |
| 02:25.23 | symbole | outside connections are blocked? |
| 02:26.17 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, if it makes you feel better, neither did the folks who California who built my computer |
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| 02:28.51 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: try un-plugging the headphones |
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| 02:30.19 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I really need to fix that ethernet connection so it doesn't fall out everytime I unplug other stuff |
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| 02:31.39 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: try running synaptic, search for 'alsa' see igf any alsa stuff is installed |
| 02:31.52 | n00ch | qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq3eee0~99999999993e |
| 02:32.00 | SARC | Greetings. I would like clarification on php. The php package says it ensures that one of three implementations will be installed. Does that mean cgi, cli, or something else? What is the third one? |
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| 02:33.45 | somiaj | the apache module? |
| 02:33.48 | symbole | SARC: I suspect CLI. |
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| 02:34.35 | SARC | The package "pgp-5" |
| 02:35.01 | SARC | I mentioned cli and cgi... wondering if that was correct, and what the thrid one is. |
| 02:35.25 | somiaj | php5 depends on either libapahe2-mod-php5 or libapache2-modphp5flter, or php5-cgi or php5-fpm |
| 02:35.44 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I've got lots of different alsa stuff installed, anythin specific you're looking for? |
| 02:37.11 | somiaj | SARC: so it appears to be either an apache2-mod, a cgi script or a fpm daemon |
| 02:38.13 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: not really, just that an alsa device should be available in sys/prefs/sound settings |
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| 02:39.16 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I don't think I'm follwoing you |
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| 02:39.36 | symbole | I found what my problem was. My /etc/hosts file has two entires for my hostname, one to loopback and one to a public IP. Loopback one. |
| 02:40.26 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: on your desktop theres a menu, click system, preferences, sound. kde may differ i havent used that in years |
| 02:41.03 | somiaj | SARC: also you mean the package is 'php5' I can't find a 'pgp-5' package. But if you look at the depends, you can see the 'or' or | to see the actual names of the four server side php packages debian has, and then look at them each |
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| 02:41.23 | somiaj | SARC: apt-cache show php5 should give you all the info you need |
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| 02:44.43 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I'm gonna log out of KDE and into GNOME so we'll be looking at the same ting |
| 02:44.49 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: click the speaker icon on your desktop, look in preferences, see if there are controls you can enable |
| 02:45.40 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, are you looking for somehting that actually says the words ALSA DEVICE? becaue I keep seeing only those two I mentioned before |
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| 02:46.54 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: yes i am, but it might not be in kde, i don't know |
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| 02:47.49 | OldParr | why removing evolution it tries to uninstall gnome ? ---> http://paste.debian.net/132734/ |
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| 02:53.11 | tensorpudding | OldParr: those are metapackages |
| 02:53.19 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, in GNOME now and the playback device is set to DA ATI SB (Alsa mixer) and my adio is a dull roar, nothing one can make out as real sound |
| 02:53.30 | tensorpudding | removing a core part of gnome doesn't remove the rest of it |
| 02:53.50 | tensorpudding | it just means that the "gnome" metapackage, that pulls in all of the core packages, can no longer be satisfied |
| 02:53.55 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: any other options? |
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| 02:54.52 | DetroitLibertyPe | LTL, yes |
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| 02:55.22 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: like? |
| 02:56.11 | DetroitLibertyPe | HDA ATI DMI (Alsa Mixer) and 4 that end with (Pusle audio) |
| 02:57.03 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: i'd go for hda ati dmi, pulseaudio is probably the problem, its junk imho |
| 02:58.39 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, if you remember from last week, before installed pulse audio I got no audio at all, now sometimes i get quiet audio or this "noise" |
| 02:59.03 | DetroitLibertyPe | cjppse hda ati dmi changes nothing |
| 02:59.44 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: then try a pulse device |
| 03:00.35 | LtL | DetroitLibertyPe: re-starting X helps when it comes to sound issues in my experience |
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| 03:01.24 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | 86% of my dist-upgrade...have to give my dad his computer back now so i wont be here when the dis-upgrade completes |
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| 03:03.18 | LtL | now I know how i confused detroit's problem with darkelfjuggalo1 |
| 03:03.44 | LtL | My nick sucks but its easy! |
| 03:03.51 | tp43 | I am looking into buying a new laptop so I was wondering about video card selection because I want to connect an external lcd and have dual screen with my laptop lcd, I heard it works with nvidia |
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| 03:04.55 | LtL | tp43: nvidia is your best bet with debian. check HCL lists |
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| 03:05.38 | tp43 | really, any second opinions, nvidia is best for debian? |
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| 03:06.59 | wols | LtL: with optimus, ltl is utterly wrong |
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| 03:08.09 | LtL | wols: appreciate the correction, tp43 my apologies. |
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| 03:08.29 | tp43 | I don |
| 03:09.01 | tp43 | I dont know what you guys are saying, you are speaking in some mason code or something |
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| 03:09.26 | wols | !best |
| 03:09.26 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 03:10.19 | wols | you technically have 3 choices and due to the way it currently works, you are actually down to two: intel, nvidia and ati. where intel is always in the package |
| 03:10.26 | tp43 | best for dual monitor between laptop display and external lcd plugged into laptops vga out |
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| 03:10.55 | tp43 | intel sucks aparantly cause you can't run compiz |
| 03:11.10 | wols | tp43: why can't you? |
| 03:11.28 | wols | and the "best" is probably a thinkpad |
| 03:11.40 | wols | at least for what you're asking |
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| 03:11.48 | tp43 | wols, well some of the intel cards don't have driver |
| 03:12.19 | tp43 | wols, My thinkpad didn't last, I am going with hp or acer or anything else next time |
| 03:12.20 | wols | the only ones which don't are atom gma500. and you didn't say you want to buy a netbook but a laptop |
| 03:12.34 | wols | you're funny. acer and durability? what thinkpad was it? |
| 03:12.49 | wols | and don't tell me it was a tp43... |
| 03:13.01 | tp43 | yeah, I need a dvd rom otherwise I would go with a netbook |
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| 03:13.16 | somiaj | yea, I know peole still using a thinkpad 40 and 42 and working like a charm, those laptops were good compared to most for durability/quality. |
| 03:13.34 | somiaj | arg ment t40 and t42 |
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| 03:14.13 | tp43 | wols, yeah, i have a thinkpad 43 and the battery on has 43% capacity left, the screen doesn't turn on for longer than a minute, there is a major rattling from one of the fans, the dvdrom doesnt work anymore, and there is so much heat |
| 03:14.14 | Datz | Hi. I just installed debian, but I can't load google.com in the browser |
| 03:14.38 | wols | tp43: and you had this one how long 6 years? |
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| 03:14.53 | somiaj | Datz: can you ping google.com? |
| 03:14.54 | wols | Datz: are you connected to the internet otherwise? |
| 03:15.13 | CompWizrd | we're starting to see t42's and t43's die at work now |
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| 03:15.40 | Datz | somiaj: wols yes, I can ping google.com successfully |
| 03:16.21 | somiaj | Datz: have you tried any other sites? What error does your webbrowser give you. (almost soundling like you have port 80 blocked and need to use a proxy?) |
| 03:16.33 | tp43 | wols, well, I got it used and used it for a few months and then for half a year I barely used it, and then I started to use it just for a few months just to record from webcam all day when I was out for surveilence and then all the crap I mentioned started happenning |
| 03:16.53 | fredden | I'm having trouble installing http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linkchecker/linkchecker-gui_7.1-1_all.deb on my squeeze system. There's a problem with its python2.6 dependency afaict |
| 03:16.57 | tp43 | wols, but it used to get piping hot from the start |
| 03:16.58 | somiaj | CompWizrd: that is still fairly good, I've seen most other laptops luckly to have 2-3 years of use if the person carries to and from work regurally. |
| 03:17.01 | Datz | somiaj: Problem occurred while loading the URL http://www.google.com/. All the other computer work just fine |
| 03:17.08 | Datz | on the network |
| 03:17.08 | CompWizrd | my dad still uses my T23 |
| 03:17.25 | CompWizrd | tp43: it does sound like your fan is dead.. i've seen that on a few t42/t43 |
| 03:17.28 | tp43 | Yeah, my T23 lasting long |
| 03:17.31 | wols | tp43: "p" models. normal for them to get hot. you didn't get the "performance" model for nothing |
| 03:17.34 | CompWizrd | and replacing the fan didn't work beacuse it was the MB that was bad |
| 03:17.34 | somiaj | Datz: so you can get to http://debian.org/ just fine? |
| 03:17.51 | Datz | somiaj: not on this machine |
| 03:17.59 | CompWizrd | my current laptop is a T61p.. i need to replace the hinges.. first time i've seen a thinkpad have bad hinges. |
| 03:18.22 | Datz | somiaj: I can also ping debian.org just fine too |
| 03:18.36 | tp43 | yeah, basically I think that thinkpads going downhill since sale to lenova |
| 03:18.44 | wols | normal for the T61 series all around. the more problematic thing with your laptop is the nvidia chip. THOSE die like flies. rather: already died like those insects and are no dead |
| 03:19.04 | tp43 | Datz, that means you don't have any dns |
| 03:19.09 | CompWizrd | wols: well, this one is the quadro so from what i've read those don't have the same problems |
| 03:19.22 | wols | tp43: agreed. the trouble is, others aren't better. for HP you need to buy probooks or such to get the same quality as current TPs and for Acer, quality doesn't exist |
| 03:19.32 | Datz | tp43: I see. now does ping resolve the addresses? |
| 03:19.33 | CompWizrd | mine was still udner warranty when i bought it off ebay, never got around to sending it to lenovo for new hinges |
| 03:19.43 | wols | CompWizrd: you are wrong. quadros are the same chips. and they die. a LOT. ask any TP message board |
| 03:19.51 | somiaj | Datz: are you using firefox? Would you care to try lynx or links2 for me? |
| 03:20.07 | Datz | somiaj: I'm using the debian version of firefox |
| 03:20.11 | Datz | I can try lynx |
| 03:20.23 | tp43 | Datz, I don't know how to configure dns, I have cable internet which has dhcp server, so I just run dhclient and everything is configured for me |
| 03:20.27 | somiaj | Datz: I think I've seen this issue with firefox trying to use its own resolver. |
| 03:20.54 | somiaj | tp43: dns is working jsut fine for him, because he can ping the address, its resolving. Its just firefox may not be using the dns resolver of his machine if that is the case. |
| 03:21.02 | CompWizrd | i use a laptop cooler with mine and it generally doesn't get very warm in the first place, so hopefully it'll last longer |
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| 03:21.51 | tp43 | wols, maybe I should just get a netbook and an external dvd rom, cause then I can save money, cause I am planning on using an external monitor anyway |
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| 03:22.24 | somiaj | tp43: why not get a desktop and save more money? (: |
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| 03:22.47 | Datz | somiaj: lynx: Can't access startfile http://lynx.isc.org/ |
| 03:22.48 | tp43 | somiaj, oh yes, I see, he should try chrom |
| 03:23.12 | Datz | somiaj: so it won't start I guess |
| 03:23.14 | linux2 | I just did a fresh install of debian testing on my new emachines E443 laptop, and I'm having one problem that is really bugging me. For some reason my wireless card returns no results when scanning for networks. It is an Atheros AR9285 card. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 03:23.15 | somiaj | Datz: try lynx debian.org (lets try a webaddress we nkow your can ping) |
| 03:23.16 | tp43 | somiaj, yeah thats true, but these netbooks are pretty cheap |
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| 03:23.45 | somiaj | Datz: its sounding like port 80 is blocked. Do you have to use a proxy to get webpages with your internet? |
| 03:23.52 | wols | cause the netbooks are a quarter (if you are lucky) of the speed of a desktop |
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| 03:24.05 | tp43 | wols really |
| 03:24.06 | Datz | somiaj: no go with debian.org |
| 03:24.24 | somiaj | tp43: you can get a much better desktop for the same price and if your going to be using external monintor and possibally keyboard mouse...only thing is you can't easily pack it around the times you want to. |
| 03:24.29 | Datz | somiaj: port 80 fine. all other computers have no issues. I can run a web server as well from this net |
| 03:24.50 | OldParr | tensorpudding: can i break metapackages and uninstall just one element? |
| 03:24.58 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 03:25.15 | tensorpudding | evolution isn't a dependency of anything you need |
| 03:25.22 | tensorpudding | why do you want to remove it though |
| 03:25.24 | somiaj | OldParr: metapackages are nothing more than a way to pull in groups of packages. They dont' serve any other purpose. |
| 03:25.53 | OldParr | somiaj: pull in?, on this case is pull out! |
| 03:25.56 | tp43 | well, when I look at factorydirect.ca or tigertirect.ca and then I checkout the netbook at walmart for $200 it seems netbook is a better deal |
| 03:25.56 | somiaj | OldParr: so if you don't want the whole bread box, remove the peices you don't want and who cares if the meta package is installed or not -- nothing should depend on a meta package |
| 03:26.00 | Datz | somiaj: am I up the creek without a paddle? |
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| 03:26.30 | somiaj | Datz: nope. I just can't think of a way to debug your situtation. ping <name> works fine so your DNS is working and your getting an ip |
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| 03:26.41 | OldParr | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/132734/ |
| 03:26.44 | Datz | somiaj: let me try changing the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf Is 8.8.8.9 one? |
| 03:26.44 | somiaj | Datz: here is one test. ping debian.org -- grab the ip and put it into y our webrowser. Does that work |
| 03:26.52 | tp43 | man..walmart fired me...working at walmart is tough these days, you need degrees |
| 03:27.01 | Datz | somiaj: I'll try that, one sec |
| 03:27.18 | wols | tp43: more and more I'm tempted to suggest ##hardware |
| 03:27.43 | wols | somiaj: did he tell the actual error message he got? |
| 03:27.44 | Datz | somiaj: yea, by IP works |
| 03:28.00 | wols | Datz: use a sniffer |
| 03:28.09 | Datz | I don't know what that is |
| 03:28.12 | somiaj | OldParr: gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-enviorment are all meta apckages...they don't do anything exepct install groups of packages via dependencies. There is no reason you need them. |
| 03:28.25 | Datz | unless you mean something like wireshark |
| 03:28.33 | Datz | and then I'm in over my head anyway |
| 03:28.41 | OldParr | tensorpudding: i want to remove evolution to make updates shorter and free space |
| 03:28.43 | somiaj | wols: Problem occurred while loading the URL |
| 03:28.44 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.55 | tensorpudding | the space saved isn't very big... |
| 03:29.04 | Datz | so 8.8.8.9 is good DNS address to use? |
| 03:29.12 | OldParr | space is just a techniscism |
| 03:29.22 | OldParr | i ust care about updating |
| 03:29.38 | wols | Datz: 8.8.8.8 |
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| 03:29.51 | Datz | ok |
| 03:29.57 | wols | and good is a matter of perspective. it's google owned |
| 03:30.05 | somiaj | Datz: so the ip works just fine, its not a port issue, ping works just fine so its not a complete dns issue. for somereason other apps aren't able to resolve and I'm not sure why |
| 03:30.10 | tp43 | wols, are you in canada or us/ |
| 03:30.18 | somiaj | Datz: if it was just firefox I'd blame that abonomination, but since its lynx I'm unsure. |
| 03:30.40 | Datz | somiaj: wols, changed nameserver to 8.8.8.8 and works |
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| 03:30.57 | tp43 | wols, should I take my hardware conversation to #hardware, cause I need to install Debian once I buy |
| 03:31.05 | somiaj | still am baffeled why ping was able to resolve just fine but a webbrowser wasn't. Oh well it works I'll stop caring |
| 03:31.27 | Datz | somiaj: it takes forever to resolve though |
| 03:31.28 | somiaj | OldParr: remove them, hit Y. removeing a metapackage will not effect the functionality of anything. |
| 03:31.33 | tharkun | somiaj: use dig if you have dns trouble ping is not precisely the weapon of choice |
| 03:31.38 | tp43 | really, I won't be buying anything, i am broke ass bum, i gotta stick with my rattling thinkpad |
| 03:32.10 | Datz | also, how can I make the new nameserver stick. It will be reset everytime to 192.168.2.1 I assume |
| 03:32.19 | Datz | I've run into this before I think with debian. |
| 03:32.33 | Datz | and I'm slowly remembering what I did |
| 03:32.35 | OldParr | somiaj: if uninstall a metapackage all the packages that were installed by group will uninstall too? |
| 03:32.39 | somiaj | Datz: it sounds more like a bad router, its nameserver should work just fine (and is sometimes prefered as it will cache things locally) |
| 03:32.49 | wols | several ways. editing the dhclient config, making resolv.conf immutable, etc |
| 03:32.58 | wols | use a post-up script,... |
| 03:33.03 | Datz | wols: that sounds like the path to go |
| 03:33.20 | Datz | I think I edited something in /etc/dhcp/ last time |
| 03:33.25 | Datz | looks |
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| 03:33.44 | Datz | but I remember I uninstalled debian as resolving took very long for every address |
| 03:33.54 | Datz | and I never figured it out |
| 03:33.56 | somiaj | OldParr: depends. It wont remove them because of metapackage is gone, but if all of the depends are set to 'auto' it will allow you to remove them, so just set the install flag to 'manual' if you see it wantint go removeing something you may no longer need. |
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| 03:34.53 | Datz | wols: edit this line? #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; ? |
| 03:35.02 | Datz | wols: or which? I forget |
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| 03:35.23 | OldParr | somiaj: playing with that flag seems to be a dangerous move ... |
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| 03:36.35 | Datz | wols: I think that worked |
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| 03:36.44 | Datz | will bbiaf |
| 03:36.44 | somiaj | OldParr: then don't uninstall evolution and keep it. This is beating a dead horse. |
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| 03:37.24 | OldParr | somiaj: i really just want to learn debian |
| 03:38.10 | OldParr | evolution is no longer of my concern after those explanations |
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| 03:38.33 | SevenM7 | Is there any way to display how disk blocks are being used by a user? I have a user on this system that has 7852 blocks used (by looking at quota), yet there are no files in his directory |
| 03:38.52 | somiaj | OldParr: the 'auto' and 'manual' flag aren't dangerous. usually you want libs as 'auto' and then the actual applications as 'manual' as a rule of thumb |
| 03:39.51 | NiLon | SevenM7 did you check hidden files/dirs? |
| 03:40.03 | SevenM7 | yes, there are no files at all |
| 03:40.11 | OldParr | if a set that flag to manual will affect installation too? |
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| 03:41.28 | SevenM7 | It's part of a challenge for class that I'm stuck on. It's not due to files taking up the space, but something related to quotas is allocating those blocks |
| 03:42.47 | wols | SevenM7: it is files. just maybe not where you are looking. e.g. /var/spool/mail/ for example |
| 03:42.58 | somiaj | OldParr: not at all, the flags only effect that when you remove a package, it looks for any 'auto' packages that don't depend on any 'manual' packages and removes them since they were automitcally installed by something else but no longer needed |
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| 03:43.40 | CompWizrd | did they have a file and deleted it but it's still in use? if this is a class exercise that sounds twisted enough for that to be it |
| 03:44.03 | SevenM7 | wols: the mail spool is empty |
| 03:44.33 | SevenM7 | CompWizrd, maybe. how would i be able to check? |
| 03:44.51 | CompWizrd | lsof wouuld show an open file |
| 03:44.57 | wols | SevenM7: this channel is not for helping you with homework btw |
| 03:45.09 | wols | !homework |
| 03:45.09 | dpkg | [homework] something you should do yourself. |
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| 03:45.41 | SevenM7 | wols: Yeah, understood. This is beyond the assignment and it's just me stumped about a particular feature |
| 03:46.27 | SevenM7 | The ultimate assignment is get around quotas, and I've narrowed it down to the fact that there are a bunch of disk blocks being used for... nothing |
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| 03:47.06 | CompWizrd | i used to have a 10 meg quota on a system, and i got around that by filling up /tmp, and when that was full, filled /var/spool/mail |
| 03:47.10 | CompWizrd | admins weren't happy :) |
| 03:48.00 | SevenM7 | lol |
| 03:49.01 | CompWizrd | i was young and naive, and tried to help them find more disk space.. i pointed out there was a huge huge file they could delete to free up disk space, named /proc/kcore i imagine my username got put on a list somewhere. |
| 03:49.39 | somiaj | OldParr: you can also tell aptitude not to remove 'auto' packages with no 'manual' depending on them. And remove them sepertally to make sure somethign doens't get removed that you don't want. Again this is a feature to make it that over time you don't fill up your machine with lots of depends that no longer are required. |
| 03:49.45 | CompWizrd | anyways, this is grossly offtopic. |
| 03:50.21 | SevenM7 | Weird... looks like there are no open files (in lsof) |
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| 03:51.02 | SevenM7 | There's stuff loaded into memory but nothing on disk |
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| 03:56.57 | tp43 | CompWizrd, take me as your apprentice |
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| 03:58.21 | tp43 | i finally bought new underwear...man...feels good |
| 03:59.04 | tp43 | I need to learn dns for websites |
| 03:59.15 | cell_x | are you talking about basic (A) records? |
| 03:59.33 | cell_x | CNAME ; yukapoo |
| 04:00.07 | cell_x | hi; since kernel.org got compromised..how do I download kernel 2.6.32.46 from github? I know I can google 2.6.32.46.tar.gz and find it but not in github? |
| 04:00.52 | somiaj | cell_x: I thought he was only putting 3.1 on github. |
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| 04:01.24 | tp43 | cell_x, I'm not sure, I have namecheap doing it for me, but then I post a website on 000webs, si no matter what link you click it shows same name, never www.name.com/contact.html, basically I need to configure subdomains inside namecheap cause right now all i have name forwarding |
| 04:01.26 | somiaj | https://github.com/mirrors/linux-2.6 -- I guess they are there. |
| 04:02.35 | tp43 | gtg |
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| 04:04.53 | cell_x | somiaj> they are but not like before.. like stable, longterm,... there are RC but i don't want those |
| 04:05.48 | somiaj | cell_x: I'm sure its there, its just a matter of what they are labeled as. I would assume v2.6.32 is the most current 2.6.32 version |
| 04:06.24 | netzsooc | What is and how can I install Debian Testing + Backports? |
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| 04:10.11 | somiaj | netzsooc: what? testing is a moving target, so backports are not made for it. If you have to ask how do you install testing, you shouldn't be running it |
| 04:10.47 | netzsooc | then I will never learn somiaj |
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| 04:11.21 | somiaj | netzsooc: then start reading and be ready to fix borken things |
| 04:12.07 | wols | netzsooc: you can learn with stable. everything you can learn about debian you can learn with debian stable |
| 04:12.15 | netzsooc | reading what somiaj? |
| 04:13.14 | somiaj | netzsooc: debian guides, start poking around. Again play with stable once you see how apt/dpkg work with sources.list its fairly obvious how to upgrade to testing...the hard part is fixing the broken things |
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| 04:13.24 | somiaj | I also expect testing to be in bad shape for gnome users while gnome3 filters in |
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| 04:22.13 | Datz | hi, I'm compiling a wireless driver, and the instructions say to run sbin/insmod rt2860sta.ko |
| 04:22.23 | Datz | there appears to be no such command, is there an alternative? |
| 04:22.39 | Datz | or will it load automatically on reboot? |
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| 04:25.32 | Datz | reboots |
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| 04:28.46 | blackshirt | Datz: place it in /etc/modules |
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| 04:29.28 | Datz | thanks |
| 04:30.25 | Datz | blackshirt: this would be the module (assuming) rt2860sta.ko ? |
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| 04:30.59 | Datz | if so I wonder where it is :) |
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| 04:31.28 | sht | hey guys. I'm having trouble with a dual NIC setup on my debian box. two interfaces, both on the same network but with a different IP. I just need two interfaces so I can bind services to them and keep them isolated. I am trying to follow http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 but am not having any luck (followed it to a T). I'm pretty sure I just need a fixed default gateway |
| 04:31.29 | sht | command.. can anyone assist please? |
| 04:31.34 | blackshirt | Datz: no, i think just module name without ko (rt2860sta) |
| 04:31.45 | Datz | ah, ok thanks |
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| 04:33.08 | blackshirt | sht: delete default route with #route del default and then add route with interfaces you want |
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| 04:34.28 | sht | blackshirt: just adding route del default into the post-up? |
| 04:34.30 | Datz | blackshirt: thanks. I added it to the list in /etc/modules Going to restart and see if it loaded |
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| 04:35.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | Ok so RecaP: Initial etch install -> Lenny -> squeeze in about a week's time... I have a Wireless NIC built into my Laptop, I'd like to be able to install the Network interface to use the Wireless |
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| 04:38.14 | mjrosenb_ | great, I seem to be running into a bug that was filed ~3 years ago, and has not been updated since |
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| 04:38.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | Can anyone tell me how to learn what Wireless card is installed in my Computer? |
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| 04:40.08 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: lspci will tell you what is on your box |
| 04:40.12 | greatjoojoo | google from there |
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| 04:42.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132746 |
| 04:42.38 | Datz | blackshirt: I see it in lsmod now. trouble is, the interface isn't showing up in the network manager.. Did I do something wrong, or just not do everything? |
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| 04:43.32 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: the nice thing about lspci is the beginning of each line tells you WHAT device is on that segment |
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| 04:43.47 | greatjoojoo | which line indicates your wireless adapter? what do you think? |
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| 04:44.01 | bombadil_ | im looking to install a program called sabnzbdplus. It is only found in the unstable repositories, and it seems it requires Python 2.7 to run. I'm running Debian stable and i have Python 2.6.6 installed. If i try to install the sabnzbd package, it will break a lot of things as it upgrades Python as well. what can i do here? |
| 04:44.24 | bombadil_ | *Python to 2.7 |
| 04:44.36 | blackshirt | Datz: is there other (old) modules for your card loaded ? |
| 04:44.49 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes, but I dont understand what most of it means... I assume Network controller is my wireless card by the rest of that line |
| 04:44.59 | somiaj | bombadil_: you will have to use backports. Check backports.debian.org |
| 04:44.59 | greatjoojoo | you got it |
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| 04:45.07 | greatjoojoo | now what is the name of the network controller? |
| 04:45.24 | bombadil_ | thank you as always somiaj, looking into it now. |
| 04:45.37 | somiaj | bombadil_: You can also compile your own backports as well, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 04:45.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection |
| 04:45.50 | greatjoojoo | sweet |
| 04:45.59 | greatjoojoo | now google debian and that and module and see how to set it up |
| 04:46.13 | greatjoojoo | or if debian even has support for it in the repos |
| 04:46.15 | somiaj | bombadil_: and yes mixing distros breaks a lot of things (one of which is upgrading the core libaries such as libc6) wich can have unexpected results. |
| 04:47.42 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i hope this backports route will work |
| 04:47.53 | Datz | blackshirt: I'm not sure if there is an old module. How can I tell?> |
| 04:48.22 | Datz | blackshirt: there shouldn't be afaik, it is a fresh install. and I had to compile the driver |
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| 04:48.52 | blackshirt | Datz: what your card type ? |
| 04:48.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | I'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 now do you mind loading the page incase i have a question about what is on it? [i know i will] |
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| 04:49.34 | somiaj | bombadil_: a lot depends on the pacakges, I don't think your main package sabnzdbplus will have to much trouble making your own backport and I'm hoping there is at least a python 2.7 backport already. |
| 04:49.38 | greatjoojoo | well i'm home, i really don't want to work to be honest :) the trick is to not get overwhelmed by the amount of reading you have to do |
| 04:50.05 | bombadil_ | somiaj: so installing a Python 2.7 backport will not harm my system? |
| 04:50.05 | greatjoojoo | and if it starts to get too much walk away and come back to it later |
| 04:50.27 | Datz | blackshirt: such as band and type? |
| 04:50.31 | Datz | or chipset? |
| 04:50.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | its easy to do when i dont know most of the terminology...but if im understanding it, it does support my card |
| 04:50.46 | blackshirt | Datz: chipsets |
| 04:50.59 | Datz | blackshirt: let me find this |
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| 04:52.04 | somiaj | bombadil_: correct, a backport is built against the libaries in stable, Thus the core system is still stable which is the main issue. The backports packages aren't tested as thourgly, but should work in most situations. |
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| 04:52.30 | Datz | blackshirt: modinfo reveals this: RT2860/RT3090 Wireless Lan Linux Driver |
| 04:52.40 | Datz | this is the chipset? |
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| 04:53.40 | somiaj | Datz: check the /etc/network/interfaces -- is your device mentioned in there? |
| 04:53.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i now have pan0 network |
| 04:53.59 | somiaj | Datz: if it is, comment it out (or remove it) because network manager ignores those devices. |
| 04:54.26 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: sweet :) |
| 04:54.45 | Datz | somiaj: I don't see it there |
| 04:55.02 | somiaj | Datz: /sbin/ifconfig -a (is it there)? |
| 04:55.12 | greatjoojoo | yeah it can be hard if you are not familiar with the terminology |
| 04:55.37 | greatjoojoo | especialy if you are not interested :) |
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| 04:55.43 | greatjoojoo | what brought you to debian? |
| 04:55.43 | Datz | somiaj: it may be pan0? |
| 04:56.21 | Datz | somiaj: I'd think it'd be something like ra0 |
| 04:56.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | How do i configure it on my interfaces? |
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| 04:56.46 | bombadil_ | somiaj: at step #3 i get: dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
| 04:56.57 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i am guessing this means i cannot create the backport? |
| 04:57.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | just add 'auto pan0' to my interface file? |
| 04:57.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | or do i have to add more? |
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| 04:57.53 | bombadil_ | somiaj: actually it created some .debs should i still install them ? |
| 04:58.25 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: that would be /etc/network/interfaces ... google how to add pan0 info to that file |
| 04:58.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | i see since my final upgrade into squeeze the iface eth0 inet dhcp line has been commented out |
| 04:59.03 | greatjoojoo | that sounds right |
| 04:59.06 | somiaj | bombadil_: what debs were created? |
| 04:59.17 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i tried to install and it errors with "dependency problems" |
| 04:59.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so just 'auto pan0' and restart my networks? |
| 04:59.39 | bombadil_ | somiaj: the deb for the program, and some debs for themes |
| 04:59.42 | greatjoojoo | that is only one part |
| 04:59.50 | greatjoojoo | you need the dhcp line as well |
| 05:00.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | iface pan0 inet dhcp? |
| 05:00.21 | greatjoojoo | oh pan0 is bluetooth lol |
| 05:00.24 | somiaj | bombadil_: did you install python 2.7 and its dev files from backports first? What is it complaining its missing? |
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| 05:00.41 | greatjoojoo | actually i don't know to be honest, i though pan0 was your wireless intel adapter ... pan0 is bluetooth according to google |
| 05:00.53 | greatjoojoo | bluetooth is a whole other ball of wax |
| 05:01.07 | somiaj | bombadil_: actually the version in sid seems to only depend on pythom 2.6.6 |
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| 05:01.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | but thats what installed when i followed the wiki page's instructions |
| 05:01.28 | greatjoojoo | wireless dev node would be typically named wlan0 or sometimes eth0 depending |
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| 05:01.52 | greatjoojoo | well no harm in trying |
| 05:02.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | BUT the wiki page lists eth1 instead of pan0 |
| 05:02.00 | greatjoojoo | all that will happen is it won't work at worst |
| 05:02.06 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i did not install backports Python 2.7. I'm not sure it's required. Dependency issues with: python-cheetah |
| 05:02.27 | greatjoojoo | it sounds like you loaded up a bluetooth module for your laptop, not the wireless module required for the intel card |
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| 05:02.31 | greatjoojoo | whats the url again? |
| 05:02.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
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| 05:03.17 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: dpkg -l | grep firmware-ipw2x00 (do you have the firmware installed)? |
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| 05:03.42 | Burgiking | tsch |
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| 05:04.02 | somiaj | bombadil_: what kind? Missing or wrong version? |
| 05:04.07 | greatjoojoo | when you do iwconfig it doesn't show eth1 or wlan0? |
| 05:04.09 | greatjoojoo | but pan0? |
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| 05:04.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes |
| 05:05.00 | bombadil_ | somiaj: just a moment, i installed python-cheetah and some other thing it said it was missing (they installed without dependency problems) and now i think sabnzbdplus may have installed. i'm not sure... |
| 05:05.03 | somiaj | bombadil_: pasting error messages at paste.debian.net is sometimes useful to if you don't know what info is useful. |
| 05:05.05 | greatjoojoo | do you have any eth devices at all? |
| 05:05.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes somiaj, it is installed...that is what gave me pan0 |
| 05:05.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | i have eth0 for my ethernet |
| 05:05.29 | greatjoojoo | it could be eth1 eth2 or similar |
| 05:05.31 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: can you put the output of dmesg at paste.debian.net |
| 05:05.45 | greatjoojoo | and what somiaj said as well pls |
| 05:06.54 | bombadil_ | somiaj: i believe it has installed! thank you. it has started but i'm not sure if it's working right yet. installing all of these things makes me feel so uncomfortable, because if it doesn't work out i have to go back and carefully ask aptitude to remove everything (i feel nervous when i install stuff that doesn't work and i don't uninstall it) |
| 05:07.04 | somiaj | bombadil_: if it was just missing a few depends like that but you had them in stable, you should be just fine. You can also do 'apt-get -f install' after an error with dpkg and see what it thinks will fix the problem. |
| 05:07.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | im getting it |
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| 05:07.29 | bombadil_ | somiaj: thank you, great advice |
| 05:07.36 | somiaj | bombadil_: the thing is since you have done everything with dpkg/apt it can be cleanly removed |
| 05:08.14 | somiaj | bombadil_: the main goal is don't install packages not compiled against the stable core. But you can compile other stuff against it just fine. (you just loose debian secruity updates on those packages) |
| 05:08.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132749 |
| 05:09.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | i just loaded that on the windows PC i have and line 1 on the debian comes up as line 173 on the windows |
| 05:09.44 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: your error is at line 406-408 -- you are missing the firmware. pan0 is just your bluetooth |
| 05:09.59 | bombadil_ | somiaj: all the steps i follow from dpkg after messaging about ssbp, does that leave any stuff on my system that i need to now remove ? |
| 05:10.51 | greatjoojoo | what somiaj said. make sure you follow the wiki page about installing the firmwared |
| 05:10.54 | greatjoojoo | -d |
| 05:11.18 | somiaj | bombadil_: I personally like a build system on my computer. But the extra developer libaries so you can build your own packages isn't needed for daily use. |
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| 05:11.52 | somiaj | bombadil_: so its your call. I don't know of an easy way to remove everything though. |
| 05:12.06 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: looks like you got it? |
| 05:12.28 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | pan0 came up after doing what it said though |
| 05:12.36 | somiaj | I don't think its missing firmware |
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| 05:12.45 | somiaj | I think there is some error |
| 05:13.04 | Darkelfjuggalo1 | any suggestions to correct the error? |
| 05:13.13 | greatjoojoo | huh, indeed |
| 05:13.56 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: doublecheck its there, ls /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw |
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| 05:18.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | should I try to install it again |
| 05:18.53 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: check if its there. I wasn't able to quickly find what error -2 ment. |
| 05:19.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | check how? |
| 05:20.01 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: ls /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw |
| 05:20.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | i did that and the response was simply the file name |
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| 05:21.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | see http://paste.debian.net/132750 |
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| 05:22.15 | Datz | after my wireless driver is loaded, it should be recognized by the network manager? |
| 05:22.34 | somiaj | that means the firmware is there, lets reload the module, rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 |
| 05:23.03 | somiaj | Datz: network-manager ignores devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces. Is your device configured there? |
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| 05:24.08 | Darkelfjuggalo | reload how? |
| 05:24.43 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I just told you "rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200" |
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| 05:26.04 | Datz | somiaj: sorry... irssi froze. no mention of ra0 in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 05:26.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok done |
| 05:27.06 | MaXim_ | hm |
| 05:27.11 | MaXim_ | wodim keeps failing for me |
| 05:27.21 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: check demsg -- you should be able to read if it loaded the firmware correctly or not this time |
| 05:27.26 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: it will be at the very end |
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| 05:28.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132751 |
| 05:28.56 | somiaj | Datz: ifconfig -a -- that shows the device correct? |
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| 05:29.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | line 454 says kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work |
| 05:29.14 | Datz | I've installed package iw, but command iwconfig isn't recognized |
| 05:29.53 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: getting closer, what does line 454 tell you? |
| 05:30.13 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: but it should be there, do you see it in ifconfig -a |
| 05:30.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | eth1 is now available |
| 05:32.34 | greatjoojoo | nice :) |
| 05:32.42 | Datz | somiaj: why might command iwconfig not be found? |
| 05:33.09 | somiaj | Datz: are you running as root, /sbin is not in the users path. |
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| 05:33.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | iwconfig: eth1 radio off |
| 05:33.46 | greatjoojoo | somiaj: hats off to you :) great job tonight |
| 05:33.49 | streuner | Datz: is wireless-tools installed? |
| 05:33.54 | Datz | somiaj: yea, still not found |
| 05:33.59 | greatjoojoo | id fax you a beer if i could :) |
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| 05:35.04 | Datz | streuner: it was not |
| 05:35.37 | Darkelfjuggalo | somiaj has been a lot of help to me the past few days, LtL was also a lot of help to me on my Eth0 problem. atleast showing me ways to find out how to do things...but it will take me a while to remember much of this [ifconfig commands i think i may have down though, lol] |
| 05:35.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | now how do i turn the Radio one? |
| 05:37.11 | Datz | somiaj: iwconfig -a does not show the device |
| 05:37.32 | somiaj | Datz: check dmesg, does it say anything? |
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| 05:39.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | any suggestions at all? I's like to get the wireless up and pidgin installed on it before I have to give up the Windows laptop and leave the office for the night |
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| 05:41.27 | mjrosenb_ | Darkelfjuggalo: that sounds like there is a physical kill switch that is enabled. |
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| 05:41.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | physical kill switch? |
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| 05:42.09 | greatjoojoo | on off button |
| 05:42.19 | greatjoojoo | its either a switch on the side or a button on top |
| 05:43.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok it must be my Fn-Wireless key |
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| 05:43.28 | greatjoojoo | or that |
| 05:43.29 | greatjoojoo | right |
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| 05:43.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | i pressed that and inpute iwconfig again i'll paste the results |
| 05:43.53 | Datz | somiaj: no mention of it there |
| 05:43.56 | greatjoojoo | did the wireless light turn on the laptop? |
| 05:44.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | no the wireless light is not on |
| 05:44.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132752 |
| 05:45.20 | greatjoojoo | okay |
| 05:45.33 | greatjoojoo | now use network manager to connect to a wireless ap |
| 05:45.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | how |
| 05:45.52 | greatjoojoo | if you are in gnome that is |
| 05:46.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | i am in gnome |
| 05:46.07 | greatjoojoo | do you have a network icon in the system tray on the top right? |
| 05:46.31 | somiaj | Datz: if there is no mention of your device in dmesg, then you have to get the correct module to load for your device and load it. |
| 05:46.41 | greatjoojoo | you should be able to right click on it and select the wireless network to join now |
| 05:46.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i am now connected to my home wireless network |
| 05:46.54 | Datz | somiaj: ok. I'll look into that. thanks |
| 05:47.06 | greatjoojoo | *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* |
| 05:47.08 | greatjoojoo | :) sweet |
| 05:47.20 | greatjoojoo | greatjoojoo: what brings you to debian? you seem rather green |
| 05:47.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | Now how do I go about installing pidgin[i have 13 minutes then i have to be out of the office for the night] |
| 05:47.57 | PrestonL | I think that QVWM should be in the main repositories. |
| 05:48.08 | greatjoojoo | apt-get install pidgin |
| 05:48.11 | greatjoojoo | you need to be root |
| 05:48.19 | PrestonL | sudo apt-get -y install pidgin |
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| 05:48.36 | greatjoojoo | does debian now install sudo by default and properly assign perms? |
| 05:48.43 | PrestonL | I don't believe so. |
| 05:48.56 | greatjoojoo | k. just curious |
| 05:48.58 | PrestonL | The first thing I have to do is su | apt-get -y install sudo |
| 05:49.08 | PrestonL | Guess it's a bad idea to tell someone to use a package that probably isn't there. |
| 05:49.09 | greatjoojoo | right, Darkelfjuggalo wont have that |
| 05:49.28 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: you need to open up gnome-terminal from applications / accessories |
| 05:49.32 | greatjoojoo | su - root |
| 05:49.34 | greatjoojoo | type in pass |
| 05:49.38 | greatjoojoo | the apt-get install pidgin |
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| 05:49.57 | Darkelfjuggalo | im installing it from terminal now, thank you |
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| 05:50.41 | PrestonL | You can also: su -c 'apt-get -y install sudo' |
| 05:51.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | i auto login as root trying to get everything upto speed on the computer, i would venture to guess it affects my account also |
| 05:51.17 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: you have not answered the question about why debian |
| 05:51.56 | PrestonL | greatjoojoo: What did you mean when you said that he seemed "green"?? Someone earlier told me that Debian is too "pink". Is there something new with colors I don't know about? |
| 05:52.10 | greatjoojoo | haha! |
| 05:52.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | I dont want to deal with windows anymore, and cant afford a new computer... I've had etch disks for a few years and decided to give linux a real try |
| 05:52.18 | greatjoojoo | american slang |
| 05:52.28 | PrestonL | I'm American and still don't get it :-P |
| 05:52.36 | greatjoojoo | in north america if someone is 'green' it means inexperienced |
| 05:52.37 | greatjoojoo | oh! |
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| 05:52.51 | PrestonL | What part of the USA are you in? |
| 05:52.54 | greatjoojoo | if a group of people are 'pink' they are calling them communists |
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| 05:52.58 | greatjoojoo | i'm canadian |
| 05:53.00 | PrestonL | So would Debian being pink mean that it's too advanced? |
| 05:53.00 | greatjoojoo | the 51'st state |
| 05:53.03 | greatjoojoo | >_< |
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| 05:53.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | one day greatjoojoo...unless canada revolts and takes alaska |
| 05:53.42 | PrestonL | Canada should have never given up the Avro Arrow, if it hadn't, it would be king of the North American Union :-P |
| 05:53.48 | greatjoojoo | you can keep palin :) |
| 05:54.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | i was encouraging you to take it |
| 05:54.28 | PrestonL | I'm going to vote for Ron Paul in the primary, hehe. |
| 05:54.30 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: right on. while this whole rigamarole you went through for wireless seems obtuse its actually exzctly the same thing that happens on windows |
| 05:54.48 | greatjoojoo | a lot of stuff is hidden from you by the installers and manufacturers so it seems easier |
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| 05:55.04 | Darkelfjuggalo | if canada doesn't soon i might defect to canada just it get away from the shitty politics |
| 05:55.07 | greatjoojoo | the tradeoff is that over there you loose freedom at the cost of dollars for convenience |
| 05:55.22 | PrestonL | Politics don't bother me, but hearing people bitch about politics does. |
| 05:55.26 | greatjoojoo | here you get freedom at the cost of learning things properly |
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| 05:56.11 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you shouldn't be running things as root. And no configs that get setup to root may not transfer to the user. learn to use sudo |
| 05:56.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol, PrestonL, I bitch becuase I'd be killed if i were a politician...not because i'm too controversial...but becuase i'd tell you the truth and i know you'd not like any of it |
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| 05:56.44 | greatjoojoo | PrestonL: coolness. american politics interest me. i have a serious problem with the libertarian perspective |
| 05:56.52 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok |
| 05:57.20 | PrestonL | There are libertarians, and there are Internet libertarians. |
| 05:57.20 | greatjoojoo | you will need to install sudo the same way you installed pidgin |
| 05:57.41 | greatjoojoo | and then configure it by adding one line to the config file with a program called visudo to let you sudo as a restricted user |
| 05:57.42 | PrestonL | Most libertarians are just people who don't want to pay taxes, but still want the conveniences of the government. |
| 05:57.57 | greatjoojoo | PrestonL: thats the part i have a problem with |
| 05:58.16 | PrestonL | Their bark is larger than their bite. |
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| 05:58.53 | somiaj | greatjoojoo: actually on debian just 'adduser <usr> sudo' (well newer debain) |
| 05:59.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i switched over, my pidgin took, I'm about to switch to that and move to the living room |
| 05:59.22 | greatjoojoo | somiaj: really? oh nice! |
| 05:59.50 | greatjoojoo | i'll have to remember that |
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| 06:00.04 | somiaj | greatjoojoo: the default sudoers file just has primisions for that whole group. |
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| 06:00.42 | greatjoojoo | *nod* thats so easy, i don't know why i didn't think of it |
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| 06:01.40 | Dimitri_Paolino | hello guys |
| 06:01.45 | Dimitri_Paolino | how can I find the linux version inside the source directory? |
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| 06:01.51 | Dimitri_Paolino | does anyone know please? |
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| 06:02.52 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok im back |
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| 06:03.21 | PrestonL | Dimitri_Paolino: Don't beg :-P Are you talking about uname -a? |
| 06:04.07 | somiaj | Dimitri_Paolino: I found it in the debian/changelog file, but I think I created that when I compiled the source |
| 06:04.23 | Dimitri_Paolino | <@ PrestonL @>· Thank you. No, I have downloaded the kernel from github |
| 06:04.35 | PrestonL | I got you. |
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| 06:04.40 | Dimitri_Paolino | and I have the upstream kernel |
| 06:04.43 | Dimitri_Paolino | yes :) |
| 06:04.50 | PrestonL | No clue. |
| 06:04.58 | somiaj | Dimitri_Paolino: I see the version in 'make menuconfig' though don't see a simple place its stored |
| 06:05.18 | Dimitri_Paolino | <@ PrestonL @>· thank you so much, I will do that ;) |
| 06:05.36 | AphelionZ | Hey everybody, does anybody here have any experience setting up an NNTP/INN server on Debian, or can somebody point me in the right direction? All the documentation I find and all the stuff I read seems pretty old and outdated. |
| 06:06.02 | PrestonL | People still use that? |
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| 06:07.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | what is the best Java to run for Debian squeeze on a i686 arch? i want to make sure i have the best java, flash and shockwave so i dont kill my most frequent sites |
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| 06:08.40 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I would just install what you have in squeeze, and worry about it if something doens't work. |
| 06:09.47 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java6-plugin (assuming non-free sources rae fine for you :) |
| 06:10.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i have sudo, how do i add my user to the sudo to allow it[i cant even apt-get update on my user] |
| 06:10.44 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: adduser <usrname> sudo |
| 06:11.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | do i need <>? |
| 06:11.19 | somiaj | no |
| 06:11.29 | greatjoojoo | Darkelfjuggalo: why debian vs other distros? |
| 06:11.50 | Dimitri_Paolino | Debian is the best one. |
| 06:12.00 | greatjoojoo | lol! i agree! |
| 06:12.01 | greatjoojoo | haha! |
| 06:12.06 | greatjoojoo | that is a great answer |
| 06:12.10 | Dimitri_Paolino | hehe ;) |
| 06:12.15 | Dimitri_Paolino | :D |
| 06:12.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | becuase when i bought the Debian Etch 4.0r4 i had spent amonth with Fedora 9 failing to install properly and i had heard good things about debian |
| 06:12.46 | PrestonL | You might want to try Ubuntu if you don't want to have to think about your system :-) |
| 06:13.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok somiaj where do i go to adduser? |
| 06:13.15 | Dimitri_Paolino | Yeah, Ubuntu is more user-friendly |
| 06:13.26 | somiaj | PrestonL: but then you have to get support in #ubuntu |
| 06:13.38 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: run that command as root. |
| 06:14.02 | PrestonL | somiaj: Yeah, and I imagine that it's a train wreck over there, haha. |
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| 06:14.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | so switch back to root? |
| 06:14.28 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: type 'groups' |
| 06:14.40 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: if you aren't in the sudo group, then use you have to switch to root to add yoruself to it |
| 06:15.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok give me a moment |
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| 06:17.06 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok added |
| 06:17.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok from root it said i was added but attempting to use sudo said im not |
| 06:18.08 | somiaj | you have to logout and back in |
| 06:18.10 | somiaj | to refresh your groups |
| 06:18.28 | greatjoojoo | he's picking it up quick |
| 06:18.31 | greatjoojoo | without complaint |
| 06:18.33 | greatjoojoo | thats a new one |
| 06:18.47 | PrestonL | I wish that people on IRC were this polite when I was first learning Linux. |
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| 06:19.03 | greatjoojoo | lol eye. there were a few rubes in here |
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| 06:19.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | still no luck |
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| 06:20.09 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: 'groups' -- does it list you in the sudo group? |
| 06:20.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes |
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| 06:20.40 | Syvni | Hello!! |
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| 06:20.54 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: then you need to type 'sudo <command>' to run a command as root, and when it asks for a password, enter in your password |
| 06:21.01 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: do not enter in roots password |
| 06:21.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | does it matter if both passwords are the same or do i need to change one? |
| 06:21.27 | dimauro6 | Guys? Is it really unsafe if I do not patch kernel 3.1.0 rc8 from Github with Debian patches? |
| 06:21.39 | dimauro6 | it is because they are not available in debian.org :( |
| 06:21.50 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: not really, if someon breaks your password they also have sudo privlages to become root, so its moot |
| 06:22.23 | greatjoojoo | dimauro6: that question is WAY too hard to answer |
| 06:22.33 | greatjoojoo | if that is the case, the answer you must default to is yes |
| 06:22.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | so 'sudo apt-get install'? |
| 06:22.46 | somiaj | dimauro6: I run vinalla kernels from kernel.org just fine. It depends if you want debian's patches |
| 06:22.59 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: correct |
| 06:23.09 | dimauro6 | ups... I want to run Debian Squeeze as dom0 :S and I DO need a customised kernel :S |
| 06:23.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | i put my password in and get '<username> is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported' |
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| 06:23.51 | dimauro6 | I will try without patches and let's see what happens lol |
| 06:24.17 | somiaj | dimauro6: you could try to apply the most recent debian patch set you could find, most of them (or maybe just the ones you want) will go against the source.... |
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| 06:25.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | Groups: dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
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| 06:25.59 | dimauro6 | <@ somiaj @>· yes, I better not apply them, it might become more unstable I guess :S |
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| 06:26.17 | Darkelfjuggalo | oooh.... I just found root terminal, should using this bypass using the sudo program? |
| 06:26.37 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: your suders file needs updated then. |
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| 06:26.55 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: use sudo...lets just set it up. as root run the command 'visudo' |
| 06:27.32 | markc1 | Anyone having trouble with nvidia drivers? Crash after kernel update |
| 06:27.37 | Darkelfjuggalo | can u do that in the root terminal or should i log back in as root? |
| 06:27.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | can i do that^ |
| 06:27.57 | streuner | markc1: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:28.33 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: root terminal will just ask for your root password and be the same as loging in as root but just in tha tterminal. so you can use that |
| 06:28.58 | markc1 | streuner: Sorry I don't understand? |
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| 06:29.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok have the visudo open |
| 06:30.04 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: add the line '%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL' to the bottom of that file. |
| 06:30.21 | Datz | How can I remove the desktop items? |
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| 06:30.42 | Datz | somiaj: btw, wireless is working now. Thanks for your help ;) |
| 06:30.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok |
| 06:30.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | written |
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| 06:31.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | save it? |
| 06:31.21 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: exit out and save it, then you should be able to use sudo |
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| 06:31.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | it's saving as a tmp...isnt that a temporary file? |
| 06:32.12 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: correct, save it |
| 06:32.24 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you don't edit the file directally you edit a copy of it and then check it. (: |
| 06:32.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | will i have to do this again later? |
| 06:32.32 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: no |
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| 06:33.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok now try to run the 'sudo apt-get update'? |
| 06:33.28 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: si |
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| 06:33.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | not in the sudoers file |
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| 06:35.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | what am i doing wrong? i did as you said |
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| 06:37.11 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I don't know. you could edit again with 'visudo' and replace %sudo with your username and just avoid setting the suder group up. |
| 06:37.12 | Bushmills | shouldn't adding a user to the sudo group be sufficient? |
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| 06:38.05 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: or just paste a copy of your /etc/sudoers file at paste.debian.net |
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| 06:41.08 | streuner | markc1: Did you read the factoid <nvidia> yet? |
| 06:41.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | i cant open my /etc/sudoers file |
| 06:41.43 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: get the output from visudo |
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| 06:42.47 | streuner | markc1: well, it mention if you using nvidia drivers of the website, we arent able to help you then OR you are using the free drivers. There is <nvidia dkms> or such then... |
| 06:42.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | adding the line you told me to didn't save |
| 06:43.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | i just saw that when i reopened it |
| 06:43.26 | streuner | !+tell markc1 -about nvidia |
| 06:43.26 | dpkg | told markc1 about nvidia. |
| 06:43.27 | greatjoojoo | when you save in visudo MAKE SURE to read the prompts |
| 06:43.45 | greatjoojoo | you may have to type 'yes' or similar after selecting save |
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| 06:44.58 | streuner | markc1: note, if you update kernels and you are using nvidia dkms you need the (new) kernel-headers then. |
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| 06:45.37 | Darkelfjuggalo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:46.34 | ompaul | Darkelfjuggalo: CTRL X CTRL W if it is nano (which is what I suspect) and it is there on the menu |
| 06:47.10 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i just write out then exited via ctrl-X and went back in it says the lines i typed |
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| 06:47.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok idk how i closed this window |
| 06:48.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok ctrl W is 'where is' and brings up a search |
| 06:49.13 | ompaul | did you do CTRL X ... |
| 06:49.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes i did ctrl X |
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| 06:50.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i can use sudo now |
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| 06:50.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | now to install java? |
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| 06:50.21 | ompaul | apt-cache search java |
| 06:50.26 | ompaul | and work from there |
| 06:50.45 | ompaul | !tell Darkelfjuggalo about apt |
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| 06:51.20 | ompaul | Darkelfjuggalo: go read what the bot sent you, unless you have taken a break you appear to be on for about 10 hours maybe take a break |
| 06:51.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | java is an invalid operation |
| 06:51.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | 10 hours? no |
| 06:51.42 | greatjoojoo | ompaul: rofl! |
| 06:51.45 | greatjoojoo | wow |
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| 06:52.28 | ompaul | greatjoojoo: the same party was on just before I left to go shopping late last night it being rather early morning now :) |
| 06:52.31 | Andy1978 | Darkelfjuggalo: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement |
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| 06:52.45 | greatjoojoo | ompaul: thats hillarious :) |
| 06:52.57 | ompaul | Darkelfjuggalo: how could you get that apt-cache search java |
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| 06:53.18 | ompaul | actually I don't want to know I'm off to work - where apt will be filling my day with fun :-/ |
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| 06:53.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i forgot to type search |
| 06:54.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok do i need to paste zone for someone to tell me if it is up todate or not? |
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| 06:56.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132759/ |
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| 06:57.55 | gynterk | Hello |
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| 07:00.04 | Darkelfjuggalo | i need Flash 10 for a game I play on Facebook... Might it be possible upgrade to Flash 10? |
| 07:00.09 | cheesedaemon | aloha, seems as though my /home partition (btrfs) has lost its flag, anyone know how to re-set the btrfs flag on the partition? |
| 07:00.24 | cheesedaemon | or maybe a way to recover the data in the partition? |
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| 07:03.17 | khem_ | anybody here know any good OpenSource alternative to Splunk etc? I want a really good log analyzer that supports various formats. |
| 07:05.21 | dimauro6 | guys, is there a problem If I compile Debian kernel source from another disk (sdb1) different than / in (sda1) ?? |
| 07:05.42 | dimauro6 | * than /usr/src |
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| 07:08.13 | dimauro6 | if I create a symbolic link from /usr/src pointing to sdb1 where actually the source would reside... would it be the samee? |
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| 07:10.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i have gathered my Java is as good as it is going to get and is not interfereing with any of thy websites to an extent i can not use them |
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| 07:12.58 | Darkelfjuggalo | can someone assist my on upgrading to Flash 10? |
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| 07:16.36 | zykes- | if i get an error when checking a errorous filesystem saying that fsck is restarting that means what ? |
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| 07:18.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | i think most everyone that can answer got busy or went to bed |
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| 07:19.33 | streuner | zykes-: man fsck |
| 07:20.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | im still trying to figure out how to get flash 10 |
| 07:20.16 | hanibana | my CPU supports long mode (for 64 bit). Is it sufficient to have a 64bit system? or things like BIOS also should support it? |
| 07:20.27 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: did you install the flashplugin-nonfree package? |
| 07:21.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | i tried but i think i messed up 'sudo apt-get update-flashplugin-nonfree --install is what the wiki said to do |
| 07:21.25 | streuner | hanibana: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 07:21.33 | hanibana | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.37 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:21.37 | hanibana | :D |
| 07:21.59 | streuner | !+tell hanibana -about amd64 |
| 07:21.59 | dpkg | told hanibana about amd64. |
| 07:22.09 | zykes- | streuner: says very little about why it restarts... |
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| 07:22.37 | streuner | zykes-: check out the logs (syslog, messages) then |
| 07:22.52 | streuner | zykes-: what kind of FS is that? |
| 07:23.18 | zykes- | ext4 |
| 07:23.21 | UT2K3 | hi guys. Is it possible to change the default vim colors directory for the color schemes to something custom? |
| 07:23.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i'll do that when i finish install wesnoth [i was in the middle of that when my HP mini 110 netbook crashed which is why i grabed the 5 yr old Dell] |
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| 07:23.42 | somiaj | UT2K3: yes it is |
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| 07:23.57 | streuner | zykes-: is smartcontrol installed, does you system support it? |
| 07:24.06 | UT2K3 | somiaj: how? i found nothing with google :/ |
| 07:24.07 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 07:24.13 | somiaj | UT2K3: in .vimrc you can have 'colors foo' |
| 07:24.25 | zykes- | streuner: it's a raid, but the raid has been checked and is ok |
| 07:24.28 | somiaj | UT2K3: my .vimrc has two lines 'syntax on' and 'colors torte' |
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| 07:25.32 | UT2K3 | hm, i don't mean this. I would like to change the default directory or add an additional directory of vi for custom colorschemes. |
| 07:26.09 | streuner | zykes-: if that happens often after a fsck i would use smartmontools to check the HDs |
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| 07:27.00 | zykes- | it's never happened streuner |
| 07:27.05 | zykes- | like before |
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| 07:29.10 | streuner | never had good experiences with ext, i just use JFS |
| 07:29.17 | somiaj | UT2K3: did you try to put them in $HOME/.vim/colors/? |
| 07:29.23 | streuner | dpkg, start a FS war |
| 07:29.23 | dpkg | Btrfs is too slow! |
| 07:30.04 | amphi | xfs FTW ;) |
| 07:30.15 | streuner | amphi: :-P |
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| 07:31.25 | streuner | zykes-: anyway, just repair the FS and if you are using a stable kernel on Debian stable i would think about to change it then... |
| 07:31.51 | streuner | zykes-: in case you get more trouble with the FS then |
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| 07:32.31 | streuner | zykes-: (i hope you are using a stable kernel *AND* squeeze) |
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| 07:35.19 | aminpy | how can setup macbook pro 8,3 sound? |
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| 07:35.36 | aminpy | can I * |
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| 07:36.35 | streuner | aminpy: what kind of chipset is that? |
| 07:36.55 | aminpy | 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device aa90 |
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| 07:36.57 | streuner | sounds like a tric question to |
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| 07:36.59 | streuner | me* |
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| 07:37.20 | streuner | aminpy: lspci -nn |
| 07:37.29 | streuner | we need the pciid |
| 07:38.26 | aminpy | streuner, http://dpaste.com/622431/ |
| 07:39.30 | streuner | judd, pciid 8086:1c20 |
| 07:39.32 | judd | [8086:1c20] is '6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1c20 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 07:40.31 | streuner | aminpy: sees to be supported by ALSA, well there is always OSS4 in Debian, if you get problems with ALSA... |
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| 07:40.40 | streuner | aminpy: s/sees/seems/ |
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| 07:44.40 | streuner | aminpy: what does "cat /proc/version" say, btw? |
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| 07:45.50 | aminpy | streuner, http://dpaste.com/622435/plain/ |
| 07:47.14 | streuner | aminpy: well, ALSA modules are in the kernel then, just /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 07:47.52 | cj101 | hi, just a quick question. im running debian squeeze and using a logitech m510 mouse, does anyone know how i can get it so when i click and hold the scroll wheel i can drag to scroll the page? |
| 07:48.14 | cj101 | ive been looking on google and cant seem to find anything about doing that |
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| 07:49.38 | cephalobodus | cj101: I htink you can get a program called anyremote or (apt-cache search logitech) lomoco might work... |
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| 07:51.09 | streuner | cj101: in case you unterstand german :-) - http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/evdev?redirect=Extratasten |
| 07:51.32 | cephalobodus | I've recently installed anki... as I intend to learn some japanese, however I get a 'swac' error informing me that can't load config or something. I have swac stuff installed... thoughts? |
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| 07:51.49 | cj101 | streuner, unfortunately not :( |
| 07:52.10 | aminpy | streuner, it works thanks |
| 07:52.27 | aminpy | streuner, can you help about VGA? |
| 07:52.37 | streuner | cj101: nm, i got about 1000 hits or so with "logitech m510 debian"... |
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| 07:53.36 | streuner | cj101: (there should be an entry in english as well) |
| 07:53.43 | cephalobodus | any help cj101? |
| 07:54.55 | streuner | judd, pciid 1002:6741 |
| 07:54.55 | judd | [1002:6741] is 'NI Whistler [AMD Radeon HD 6600M Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6741 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 07:56.32 | streuner | aminpy: check out http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 07:57.13 | cj101 | lomoco doesnt support the m510 lol |
| 07:57.42 | cephalobodus | darn |
| 07:57.49 | cephalobodus | goodLuck |
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| 07:58.40 | cj101 | thanks anyway guys |
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| 08:00.48 | zykes- | jesus, the fsck just keeps restarting streuner when it gets to 70% |
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| 08:01.29 | seb82 | zykes, there's not jesus on this board... |
| 08:02.09 | zykes- | pardon. |
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| 08:03.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i see how much memory i have |
| 08:03.59 | streuner | free |
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| 08:04.30 | seb82 | zykes, have you tried running fsck manually? |
| 08:04.57 | zykes- | seb82: manually how? I do it with fsck.ext4 -fyC0 <dev> |
| 08:07.35 | streuner | zykes-: is smartmontools installed, btw? |
| 08:07.51 | zykes- | yes streuner but it's a 3ware raid |
| 08:07.59 | streuner | oh |
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| 08:08.27 | streuner | zykes-: well, i would ask debian-isp then too |
| 08:08.47 | zykes- | -isp ? |
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| 08:10.00 | streuner | zykes-: the ML of Debian Internet Service Provider mailing-list |
| 08:10.09 | streuner | zykes-: http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/ |
| 08:10.23 | Wulf | Hello |
| 08:10.24 | zykes- | why the internet service provider ? |
| 08:10.37 | streuner | zykes-: usually they have experiences with 3ware a lot... |
| 08:10.50 | zykes- | ah |
| 08:14.52 | Wulf | I want to cache .deb archives etc. for a local network with several machines and multiple debian versions; what program is recommended? |
| 08:15.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: apt cache |
| 08:15.28 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Kamping_Kaiser |
| 08:15.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wulf: do a search with apt cache in it |
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| 08:18.01 | Wulf | Kamping_Kaiser: that gives me 3 different packages |
| 08:20.15 | Syvni | . |
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| 08:23.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i check the total memory i have |
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| 08:24.38 | Wulf | free? |
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| 08:25.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | all my memory, total used and free |
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| 08:26.04 | househead | Darkelfjuggalo: cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 08:26.58 | househead | Darkelfjuggalo: or simply 'free' |
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| 08:27.32 | Bzek | Hello. Where is /boot/grub/menu.lst in Squeeze? I need to add "fallback 1" line. |
| 08:27.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok now i want to upgrade my shockwave plugin |
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| 08:29.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | there is a difference in shockwave and Flash isnt there? |
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| 08:29.20 | sep | bzed, squeeze have grub2 as default totaly different |
| 08:29.26 | FriendlyWisconsi | I tried installing the binary nvidia driver thinking I didn't have nouveau. I changed my mind after I realized I did have nouveau but not before having nVidia's installer block nouveau somehow |
| 08:29.36 | FriendlyWisconsi | Now I can't get nouveau working properly again |
| 08:29.46 | FriendlyWisconsi | Any ideas? It seems to load fine according to lsmod |
| 08:29.58 | househead | Darkelfjuggalo: no shockwave in linux AFAIK |
| 08:30.07 | FriendlyWisconsi | But my resolution is whacky and not being detected correctly |
| 08:30.17 | Bzek | sep: O. Ok, thank you. |
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| 08:30.27 | FriendlyWisconsi | I'd set it manually using xrandr but gtf can't do 1366 768 60.00 for some reason |
| 08:30.47 | househead | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Adobe_Shockwave#Platform_support |
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| 08:33.40 | FriendlyWisconsi | Well I can't seem to set my resolution correctly even with xrandr |
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| 08:34.21 | hipodilski | hi is there a tool I can use to see what files are causing the most writes to the disk on GNU/Linux |
| 08:34.24 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 08:35.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i asked becuase the only Shockwave i can find for Debian is Shockwave Flash and i dont need another Flash I need a Shockwave |
| 08:35.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | hipodilski: iotop |
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| 08:39.39 | pbase | am on debian testing (wheezy) and have chromium and iceweasel installed. I logged in facebook using chrome and then tried to login again from iceweasel. to my surprise, it auto logged me in iceweasel.. how is that possible? |
| 08:40.22 | jelly-home | Darkelfjuggalo: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=1735 ? |
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| 08:41.29 | Iridos | Wulf, it depends on your exact needs... |
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| 08:42.25 | daedeloth | after a brief holiday in ubuntu I have decided to move back to debian stable |
| 08:42.35 | daedeloth | however, I'm having trouble setting up my xinerama setup |
| 08:42.40 | daedeloth | with 2 nvidia video cards. |
| 08:42.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do I install it? |
| 08:42.52 | daedeloth | and since I moved to ubuntu because this "issue" was pushed to testing a few months back, I'm kindof dissapointed that the issue found it's way to stable |
| 08:42.57 | daedeloth | so, does anyone have experience with 2 nvidia cards set up in a triple monitor xinerama setup? |
| 08:43.17 | Iridos | Wulf, there are a couple of factoids /msg dpkg apt-proxy - also /msg dpkg about the other alternatives (keywords are in <>-brackets) |
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| 08:43.43 | Iridos | Wulf, haven't used any of those myself |
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| 08:44.08 | Micha648 | hi, is there a way to detect new network interfaces without reboot ? |
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| 08:45.05 | Hydroxide | Micha648: new in what sense? mostly they should be detected automatically |
| 08:45.20 | Iridos | daedeloth, seems unlikely that it found its way into stable... you might want to check the changelog for the packages you suspect and install older packages to find where the problem occured |
| 08:45.25 | Hydroxide | Micha648: even if you plug in a usb network device or something |
| 08:45.29 | Iridos | !tell daedeloth -about snapshots |
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| 08:46.04 | Micha648 | the debian is running inside a esx env - so i plugged in a new ethernet adapter - my goal is to detect this "device" without rebooting the system |
| 08:46.18 | Iridos | daedeloth, I read you correctly that you say it used to work in squeeze but not anymore? |
| 08:46.22 | daedeloth | well I don't really know when it happened |
| 08:46.28 | Hydroxide | Micha648: ah - in that case, are you sure vmware even supports that? |
| 08:46.34 | Iridos | or are you saying it worked in lenny, but not in squeeze? |
| 08:47.00 | daedeloth | well it used to work in lenny |
| 08:47.02 | daedeloth | I think |
| 08:47.06 | Hydroxide | Micha648: I guess if it let you do it, probably yes... have you installed the vmware tools or are you running without those? |
| 08:47.13 | daedeloth | yea, in lenny and "early squeeze" |
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| 08:47.42 | daedeloth | and it's still working in ubuntu |
| 08:48.00 | Micha648 | Hydroxide, running whitout tools, just looking to say "he debian, check for new hardware" |
| 08:48.01 | Iridos | daedeloth, if it used to work in squeeze, the change that caused it should be easy to find... there were not so many changes to squeeze |
| 08:48.05 | Hydroxide | Micha648: Debian seems to have the open-vm-tools and associated source packages in the official archive, and there's also the option for using the official vmware ones |
| 08:48.25 | daedeloth | well no I mean I was running testing at that point |
| 08:48.30 | daedeloth | it was way before the squeeze release |
| 08:49.05 | Micha648 | how would I reinizialize hardware if I use hotplug devices ? |
| 08:49.07 | Hydroxide | Micha648: there is no such thing, because it always notices new hardware, to the extent vmware and linux support hotplugging for that kind of device without the proprietary or open vmware tools installed |
| 08:49.45 | Hydroxide | Micha648: but, you can always remove the network driver module (I forget what it is on vmware but I think pcnet by default?) and then run udevadm trigger |
| 08:49.48 | Micha648 | Hydroxide, ok ... so there is no debian-way to do it "manual" |
| 08:49.50 | Hydroxide | Micha648: or maybe even just udevadm trigger |
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| 08:49.58 | pbase | I find a change in the new wirelss configuration... earlier it used to ask the keyring password to connect to the wifi.. ow it asks for the wifi passphrase. debian testing wheezy. is this change a known one? |
| 08:50.01 | Hydroxide | Micha648: there's no "it" to do |
| 08:50.10 | Hydroxide | Micha648: it's not a debian versus non-debian thing |
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| 08:50.46 | Micha648 | Hydroxide, thanks anyway ... |
| 08:50.59 | Hydroxide | Micha648: you can try what I said, and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it finds the new interface - if it does work, then that's the way you were looking for |
| 08:51.21 | vampi-the-frog | hey guys. I've just added two more HDD's to my 2HDD software RAID 1 setup, and i'm going to change to software raid 5 - any comments or links? (im looking for the online tutorial that i read when i setup raid 1 initially...) |
| 08:51.51 | Iridos | Wulf, but dont use apt-move, that's obsoleted by the others |
| 08:52.18 | Hydroxide | Micha648: no problem. it's also entirely possible that the open-vm-tools and corresponding open-vm-source package in Debian, or the proprietary vmware.com version, will do sufficient vmware-specific magic to make it work |
| 08:52.46 | daedeloth | maybe I should update to testing... |
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| 08:55.50 | Iridos | daedeloth, maybe you should try to figure out what the exact problem is, though :) You haven't shown anything that might shed a light on it |
| 08:56.28 | daedeloth | alright, I'll see if I can fetch the logs |
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| 09:01.19 | Iridos | daedeloth, also xrandr output... how do you set that up with two cards? Can one Xserver do it or does that still need two? |
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| 09:02.18 | linux2 | I'm having some trouble with wireless on my new laptop. For some reason no wireless networks show up with the wireless card. Once in a while I will see one, but it will fail to connect for some reason. I've searched google, bu it doesn't look like anyone else has had this exact issue. Any ideas? |
| 09:02.43 | linux2 | it's an Atheros AR9285 |
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| 09:07.13 | jeybop | hi |
| 09:08.25 | jeybop | is there any existing script to easily manage package pinning? Something like $ apt-pin package-name stable |
| 09:09.26 | hipodilski | Kamping_Kaiser: thx |
| 09:10.25 | Iridos | !tell jeybop -about hold |
| 09:10.34 | jeybop | if it doesn't exist, do you think it might interest people? |
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| 09:12.10 | daedeloth | alright so I'm on my laptop so I can keep talking without hopping offline every time |
| 09:12.27 | daedeloth | I'm rebooting now |
| 09:12.35 | Iridos | did you get my last question? |
| 09:12.43 | daedeloth | might not have |
| 09:12.53 | Iridos | <Iridos> daedeloth, also xrandr output... how do you set that up with two cards? Can one Xserver do it or does that still need two? |
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| 09:13.25 | daedeloth | xrandr was not supported |
| 09:13.28 | Iridos | also... if you got one working version, one that does not, comparing logs/xrandr might be helpful (depending on what the exact problem is) |
| 09:13.59 | daedeloth | hm well I dn't have ubuntu installed anymore |
| 09:14.27 | Iridos | how is randr not supported? |
| 09:15.08 | daedeloth | no idea, it just says taht onces in a while |
| 09:15.14 | daedeloth | also I don't really know what exactly xrandr does |
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| 09:15.25 | mostafadn | hey guys |
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| 09:21.52 | dv_ | hello |
| 09:22.14 | daedeloth | so, this is my xorg.conf file: http://daedeloth.dyndns.org/xorg.conf |
| 09:22.49 | daedeloth | so 2 video cards, 3 separate devices, 3 separate screens |
| 09:22.57 | dv_ | with udev, hotplugging devices like usb sticks is easily possible. they can then be mounted automatically in /media/ |
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| 09:23.07 | dv_ | but without a DE like gnome or KDE, how do I unmount them? |
| 09:23.13 | jeybop | Iridos, thanks |
| 09:23.26 | dv_ | is there some sort of lightweight gui for mounting/unmounting hotplugged devices like usb sticks? |
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| 09:24.32 | daedeloth | and this is my xorg log: http://daedeloth.dyndns.org/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:24.41 | Iridos | jeybop, it's a bit annoying right now with 2 types of hold and the programs ignoring the other... but guess that will be resolved until next release |
| 09:24.47 | daedeloth | to be honest I don't really know what's going on in there |
| 09:26.34 | Iridos | daedeloth, how many monitors can you use... just one? |
| 09:26.40 | daedeloth | 3 |
| 09:26.46 | Iridos | with that log! |
| 09:26.55 | daedeloth | with that log I don't ahve anything |
| 09:27.03 | daedeloth | nothing is working, I have a black screen |
| 09:27.17 | Iridos | oh |
| 09:27.33 | Iridos | so would try to get one screen to work first... |
| 09:27.48 | daedeloth | oh, easy, if I disable xinerame everything works |
| 09:27.50 | Iridos | it's not even sure it's a multi-setup problem until you tried that |
| 09:28.05 | Iridos | what I wonder about: (II) Sep 28 11:19:29 NVIDIA(1): Virtual screen size determined to be 1680 x 1050 |
| 09:28.17 | Iridos | that's just big enough for one monitor |
| 09:28.23 | daedeloth | hm, no, indeed |
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| 09:28.37 | jeybop | Iridos, ok, thanks for the details |
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| 09:28.49 | Zap-W | hI |
| 09:28.53 | Iridos | yw |
| 09:29.01 | Zap-W | where are the xen40 domu example scripts on debian squeeze |
| 09:29.09 | Zap-W | config not scripts |
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| 09:29.24 | dname | how to disable SSH from the user? only FTP access |
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| 09:30.31 | daedeloth | heh, disabled xinerama, everything works |
| 09:30.32 | daedeloth | http://daedeloth.dyndns.org/Xorg.0.log.2 |
| 09:30.36 | daedeloth | but the log is the same |
| 09:30.56 | Iridos | daedeloth, but as it's enough for one monitor, you should get a picture one monitor... and there are no errors in that log |
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| 09:31.18 | daedeloth | hm, maybe I should check gdm logs? |
| 09:31.25 | Zap-W | ?? |
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| 09:31.50 | Iridos | daedeloth, did you try without any xorg.conf? |
| 09:32.02 | daedeloth | yea, but then it doesn't even load the nvidia settings |
| 09:32.12 | daedeloth | and without xorg.conf it just uses one display |
| 09:32.15 | daedeloth | (or two if I use twinview) |
| 09:33.20 | daedeloth | Xlib: xtension "RANDR" missing on display ":0:0" |
| 09:33.20 | daedeloth | Gdk-ERROR **: unable to find a usable depth |
| 09:33.23 | Iridos | I think I only need xorg.conf for the virtual screen size... everything else is either autodetected or set up via xrandr (only two screens/one card) |
| 09:33.32 | daedeloth | (that's :0greeter.log gdm3 log) |
| 09:33.53 | daedeloth | but xrandr doesn't work with 2 video cards |
| 09:34.12 | Iridos | ok |
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| 09:34.26 | Iridos | daedeloth, hm, well, try changing depth |
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| 09:34.30 | babilen | daedeloth: You can configure your nvidia hw with a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as exemplified in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" -- Multiple monitors are typically automatically detected and can be enabled/configured with the *randr tools such as arandr, xrandr, grandr, ... You can see the detected monitors when you run "xrandr -q" |
| 09:34.39 | babilen | daedeloth: Ah, alright ... |
| 09:34.50 | daedeloth | multiple video cards :) |
| 09:34.53 | babilen | yes |
| 09:34.54 | daedeloth | it's a hassle |
| 09:35.00 | babilen | apparently |
| 09:35.08 | daedeloth | I'm thinking about picking up one of those triple monitor ati cards |
| 09:35.24 | daedeloth | but well apaprently it's gdm3 that's causing trouble |
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| 09:37.21 | Iridos | says you're running 32bpp... dunno why that should be an issue... perhaps try 16 bit depth |
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| 09:38.57 | Bushmills | dname: change user's shell |
| 09:39.04 | daedeloth | nope, still the same |
| 09:39.22 | daedeloth | http://daedeloth.dyndns.org/Xorg.0.log.3 |
| 09:39.42 | daedeloth | is there an alternative to gdm3? |
| 09:39.43 | Iridos | oh, sorry... the xrandr and the depth error are two separate ones, I see that now |
| 09:39.45 | daedeloth | maybe kdm? |
| 09:39.55 | Bushmills | or use an ftpd - if you really have to use ftp - which allows virtual users |
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| 09:40.26 | dname | I need to leave access via FTP. And disable SSH access |
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| 09:40.58 | Iridos | daedeloth, no, the problem is that it tries to use randr but fails... I don't see why, though. you got three times of "(==) RandR enabled" |
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| 09:41.58 | daedeloth | yea, but I expected that, I've never seen randr work in a multi card setup |
| 09:42.09 | daedeloth | but previously gdm didn't need it |
| 09:42.13 | daedeloth | It hink |
| 09:42.16 | daedeloth | *i think |
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| 09:42.56 | Iridos | all the xinerama stuff should run via randr these days |
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| 09:44.25 | vlt | Hello. What can be a reason for "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error \n passwd: password unchanged" when I want to change the password by typing "passwd" as root? (/usr/bin/passwd looks fine: 4755 root:root) |
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| 09:47.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | vlt: you probably typod |
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| 09:48.03 | vlt | Kamping_Kaiser: What does that mean? |
| 09:48.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | probalby human error, try changing the password again |
| 09:48.24 | vlt | Kamping_Kaiser: I actually didn't type "passwd"? |
| 09:48.34 | vlt | Kamping_Kaiser: It happens every time. |
| 09:48.52 | Iridos | vlt, perhaps /etc/shadow is locked? |
| 09:48.52 | vlt | I just type "passwd" and hit the enter key. |
| 09:49.00 | vlt | Iridos: How to find out? |
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| 09:49.44 | Iridos | good question |
| 09:50.13 | Iridos | hm |
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| 09:50.39 | Iridos | what happens on "vipw -s" ? |
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| 09:53.39 | jelly | MAGIC |
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| 09:54.05 | Iridos | jelly, how do fucking magnets work |
| 09:54.27 | Iridos | jelly, and the question wasn't to you, ya know? |
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| 09:56.02 | Iridos | daedeloth, if gdm tries to use xrandr to set resolution and fails and you end up with something not supported by your monitor, that would explain the empty screen on monitor 1 |
| 09:56.22 | daedeloth | hm, makes sense |
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| 09:57.21 | Iridos | and the small virtual screen additionally explains it for #2 and #3 ... |
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| 09:58.06 | daedeloth | so anything I can do about that? |
| 09:58.20 | Iridos | vlt, hm, for me, "passwd" just hangs as long as I have one instance of shadow locked by "vipw -s" |
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| 09:59.19 | Iridos | well, first should add in section screen Virtual 2880 2880 |
| 09:59.27 | reiffert | Hi. I was upgrading lenny to squeeze. (already migrated to insserv). When I want to reboot, then the last message I get is "Stopping domain name service...: bind9" and then nothing happens after that. How to track down the problem? |
| 10:00.02 | flib | I've just installed Debian with the win32-loader. Grub gives me "error: incompatible license. Entering rescue mode..." Any ideas on this? |
| 10:00.08 | Iridos | (well, something bigger for 3 screens of course, this is from mine) |
| 10:00.31 | reiffert | Restarting bind9 works without problems, even so when all interfaces are down. |
| 10:01.01 | daedeloth | in which one? because I have 3 screen seconds |
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| 10:01.38 | Iridos | daedeloth, 2nd, I guess you can just set the default (or only!) resolution that xorg should offer in xorg.conf... then shouldn't matter if xrandr fails to set resolution or not ... the black screen suggests that default is a higher resolution thatn your monitor wants |
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| 10:03.03 | Iridos | I have stuff like Option "PreferredMode" "1600x900" in Section "Monitor" for each monitor |
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| 10:04.01 | Frots | hi, I need some help regarding preseeding partman/alignment |
| 10:04.45 | daedeloth | 2nds? so the most left one you mean? |
| 10:05.12 | Iridos | I meant for the 2nd problem |
| 10:05.18 | Frots | I need to only preseed it if the server is a certain type of hardware |
| 10:05.29 | Frots | which I can check with grep -q |
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| 10:06.00 | Frots | is this possible with 'd-i partman/early_command string grep -q MS-7228 /sys/class/dmi/id/board_name && debconf-set partman/alignment cylinder' ? |
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| 10:06.27 | reiffert | any ideas on how to track down sysv-rc bootscript trouble when shutting down? |
| 10:06.45 | daedeloth | Iridos, well the main issue stays that gdm just crashdes |
| 10:06.59 | daedeloth | or at least abborts |
| 10:07.01 | daedeloth | aborts |
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| 10:07.48 | Iridos | log says it's setting resoltion of monitor CRT to... 1280 x 1024 DFP to 1680 x 1050 crt-1 to 1280 x 1024 |
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| 10:09.59 | zorrolero | reiffert: you could try "update-rc.d -f bind9 remove; update-rc.d -f bind9 defaults" don't remember if it is really "bind9"...or "bind" or "named" in /etc/init.d/ ... and you should ask dpkg about sysv-rc |
| 10:10.19 | daedeloth | bah, I give up |
| 10:10.23 | daedeloth | i'm upgrading to testing |
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| 10:12.20 | reiffert | zorrolero: I'm allready on insserv |
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| 10:18.26 | gentoo_drummer | I know ta |
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| 10:25.16 | zorrolero | reiffert: ok, don't know then... |
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| 10:26.25 | reiffert | it was a hanging script in /etc/networking/if-down.d/ |
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| 10:26.35 | reiffert | thanks for your help. |
| 10:26.49 | Iridos | daedeloth, you didn't say it crashes, you said you get a black screen! |
| 10:27.25 | Iridos | daedeloth, and what you showed weren't fatal errors, I think |
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| 10:43.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | I just restarted my computer, and my eth1 wireless network interface says it is not managed, but i was using it exclusively before I had to restart |
| 10:43.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | I checked the interface document it is set to auto |
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| 10:46.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | anyone here? |
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| 10:50.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | hello? |
| 10:50.34 | Darkelfjuggalo | any human available? |
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| 10:50.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | !networking |
| 10:51.00 | dpkg | For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>. |
| 10:51.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | !interfaces |
| 10:51.14 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 10:51.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | !resolv.conf |
| 10:51.42 | dpkg | somebody said resolv.conf was /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
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| 10:52.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | !static route |
| 10:52.19 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
| 10:52.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok not helping me |
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| 10:53.49 | Shadur | Darkelfjuggalo: Then maybe you should try asking an actual question. |
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| 10:55.13 | mortne | Hi. I am on a system that I need to upgrade - and I'm having a bit of a problem.. I have lenny and squeeze in souces.list, and did a update. When I try a dist-upgrade, I get <libc-bin: Breaks: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.7-3 is installed> and <locales: Depends: glibc-2.13-1 but it is not installable> |
| 10:55.22 | mortne | Is there any hope for me? |
| 10:55.51 | Shadur | Remove all lenny lines from your apt sources list, then try again. |
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| 10:56.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | Shadur i explain my issue and no one commented for a few minutes |
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| 10:56.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | i rebooted my computer and my eth1 wireless network interfaceis not actvating the NIC |
| 10:56.46 | Shadur | I wasn't paying attention to the screen at the time, and your multiple queries to dpkg scrolled your original question right off the buffer. |
| 10:57.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | under wireless networks it says device not managed |
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| 10:57.21 | Shadur | I haven't worked much with wireless interfaces in linux, sorry. |
| 10:57.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | but the eth1 is configured and set t auto, i was using it before the reboot |
| 10:58.55 | mortne | removed lenny-entries - now, I only have squeeze ones. Did apt-get clean, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade - getting the same as before.. |
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| 11:00.17 | Darkelfjuggalo | anyone with wireless config experience/ |
| 11:00.58 | mortne | Would it help to apt-get remove locale and/or libc-bin? (Can get through anything without libc-bin? |
| 11:02.06 | mortne | Darkelfjuggalo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/after-installation-of-wireless-wired-network-device-is-unmanaged-666691/ |
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| 11:04.05 | wols | mortne: you run a etch, not lenny |
| 11:04.14 | wols | ,versions libc-bin |
| 11:04.16 | judd | Package: libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 11:04.23 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 11:04.26 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 11:04.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | thanks but that doesnt answer my question |
| 11:04.57 | wols | mortne: correction: you have lenny squeeze and wheezy |
| 11:05.15 | wols | mortne: you need to run ONE branch of debian and then upgrade to whatever you want |
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| 11:05.47 | mortne | wols: Could you give med a pointer - how do I get to running just one? |
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| 11:06.28 | wols | your first error is to have more than one branch of debian in your sources.list. that is very foolish and leads to problems very soon |
| 11:06.36 | mortne | Darkelfjuggalo: Sorry, didn't see your question. The answer is: Yes, there are humans available |
| 11:07.28 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: you need to give us a lot more context before anyone can help you |
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| 11:08.13 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: for starters: what did you chnage before you rebooted (and don't say "nothing": if it's nothing, your wlan still works and you have no problem) |
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| 11:08.22 | mortne | wols: Yes, I feel that already... But how do I revert to having just one? My sources.list now contains just one, but before it didn't... Can I be saved? |
| 11:08.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i just tried to restart my networking and the ifup couldnt read my interfaces file |
| 11:08.40 | wols | mortne: you learn what you actually run. lenny, squeeze or what? |
| 11:09.20 | mortne | cat /etc/debian_version -> lenny/sid |
| 11:09.24 | wols | and it depends what you did and installed when you mangled your sources.list. e.g. why the heck is there a wheezy package there? |
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| 11:09.45 | wols | so you ran lenny when it was testing and never ever upgraded |
| 11:09.53 | wols | or at least not properly |
| 11:10.09 | seb82 | wols, sound like a fun system |
| 11:10.16 | wols | mortne: what kernel do you run? |
| 11:10.53 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: what was the error? |
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| 11:12.37 | seb82 | is it possible to install fedora through debian? |
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| 11:12.53 | seb82 | like debootstrap to install debian through debian? |
| 11:13.01 | wols | seb82: ask #fedora, not us. they might have something like debootstrap for debian |
| 11:13.17 | Darkelfjuggalo | Trying to restart my Wireless eth1 network and this is what i get http://paste.debian.net/132808/ |
| 11:13.21 | niklaswe | if I have make menu with select, and has an submenu.. how would i do so 1 choose is to return to main menu ? |
| 11:13.31 | wols | go into #fedora and ask "I run another linux distro and want to use it to install fedora. how can I do that?" |
| 11:14.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | there is no excuse for my Ifup and my ifdown to suddenly not read the interfaces file |
| 11:14.02 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: so what is the content of your interfaces file? |
| 11:14.06 | mortne | wols: Its an old machine I just received, so I don't know the state.. The kernel is: '2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 08:32:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux'. When I arrived, the sources.list said ' http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ testing main' (not named) |
| 11:14.31 | seb82 | thx for the tip wols |
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| 11:15.17 | wols | mortne: having "stable" or "testing" written in a sources.list is very very bad, for the reason you jut experienced. I suggest you put lenny there and dist-upgrade to a proper lenny as much as you can do it. you might have to downgrade your libc6 which will be very very icky. I strongly suggest you have a bootmedia (live cd!) handy |
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| 11:15.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132810/ |
| 11:16.03 | wols | mortne: you can fix it probably, but the amount of work needed might be a lot more than a simple reinstall. your choice |
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| 11:16.35 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: who put the BT stanza there? |
| 11:16.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | i also have interfaces.bak-O that only lists loopback and eth0 |
| 11:17.25 | Darkelfjuggalo | I did, somehow i got pan0 when i tried to get eth1 at first... but the pan0 isnt doing anything atm |
| 11:17.38 | sh00p | how can I get a list of the files that 'make install' for a random build script puts on my system? |
| 11:17.40 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: is your wlan lacking any encryption? |
| 11:17.50 | wols | Darkelfjuggalo: the pan0 is breaking your interfaces file |
| 11:18.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | comment it out? |
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| 11:18.10 | wols | sh00p: you cannot. all you can do is read and decipher the makefile(s) |
| 11:18.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | i shouldnt my network isnt encryted |
| 11:18.49 | sh00p | wols, I thougt maybe there was a wrapper program, like "blabla make install", and then blabla would keep track of it |
| 11:18.51 | wols | !tell sh00p about checkinstall |
| 11:19.21 | sh00p | ooh, interesting |
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| 11:20.39 | Zap-W | how do I get stdin when upgrading kernel package , I put a script in /etc/initramfs-tools that asks the user and I type it in |
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| 11:22.24 | mah454 | dpkg, squid |
| 11:22.24 | dpkg | Squid is a caching web proxy supporting HTTP/S, FTP and others. smb_auth is broken in 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1, see Debian bug #524957 to correct. Debian's packages do not have SSL enabled (BTS #180886), ask about <package rebuild> and supply "--enable-ssl" for this. See also <squid deb caching>, <transparent proxy>. /usr/share/doc/squid{,3}/* http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq http://squid-cache.org/ #squid on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:23.09 | mah454 | mitikoman, hala bezan dpkg squid |
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| 11:23.28 | mitikoman | dpkg squid |
| 11:23.28 | dpkg | Squid is a caching web proxy supporting HTTP/S, FTP and others. smb_auth is broken in 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1, see Debian bug #524957 to correct. Debian's packages do not have SSL enabled (BTS #180886), ask about <package rebuild> and supply "--enable-ssl" for this. See also <squid deb caching>, <transparent proxy>. /usr/share/doc/squid{,3}/* http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq http://squid-cache.org/ #squid on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:23.31 | hyper_ch | hello there, in Synaptic, what does it mean when a package was installed "manually"? |
| 11:23.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i commented those out network restart? |
| 11:23.47 | mitikoman | mah454, ok gereftam chi migi |
| 11:24.21 | mortne | wols: Thanks.. I will try my luck.. |
| 11:24.30 | mitikoman | mah454, inaro az koja yad gerefti ? |
| 11:24.59 | mitikoman | squid |
| 11:26.11 | niklaswe | how should I fix this.. i have a shell-script and using select to generate menus/submenus.. how should I fix so I coming to main menu when I have selected an submenu? |
| 11:27.10 | wols | mortne: good luck |
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| 11:28.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/132814/ |
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| 11:34.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | fuck it its after 6:30 in the moring i;ll fix this in the after noon when i crawl out of bed |
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| 11:36.49 | sh00p | how can I unpack a .deb so I can see the control-files and postrm etc |
| 11:36.58 | sh00p | dpkg -x only extracts the other stuff, not the DEBIAN folder |
| 11:36.58 | dpkg | sh00p: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 11:38.03 | sanderj | Hi. Why do I get up: "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? dirname" when I do ls -la.. is something wrong with this dir? |
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| 11:38.38 | frozencemetery | that looks like you don't have permissions, Sander^work |
| 11:39.02 | Sander^work | frozencemetery, I'm root. |
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| 11:39.36 | ptripath | Sander^work, even in case of filesystem corruption one can face this issue |
| 11:39.40 | p0g0 | Sander^work: have you checked the filesystem for errors? |
| 11:39.51 | frozencemetery | well, ls -la fundamentally should print out the permissions and of you have the # and no permissions printout, then that looks like an fs problem |
| 11:40.25 | Sander^work | p0g0, I havent tried yet. |
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| 11:41.20 | sandstorm | when I try to apt-get update, I am getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/132820/ I am a newbie in Debian, thanks in advance. |
| 11:42.10 | seb82 | sandstorm put your sources,list on paste.debian plz |
| 11:42.20 | seb82 | if you are a newbie, then why are you using testing? |
| 11:42.20 | sandstorm | seb82: on my way, sir |
| 11:42.46 | sandstorm | seb82: this is not my machine, it is a school server. I am trying to help |
| 11:42.49 | wols | !non-us |
| 11:42.49 | dpkg | Non-US is where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org. http://wiki.debian.org/non-US |
| 11:43.05 | wols | sandstorm: non-us is gone for years now |
| 11:43.26 | sandstorm | wols: ah I see, I am trying to help the server right now and am ignorant about the changes :) |
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| 11:44.11 | seb82 | kk well a look in the sources.list will maybe shed some light on the situation |
| 11:44.18 | wols | sandstorm: and having "testing" in sources.list is a GREAT way to break your debian very badly. put the actual release names in there. before you install ANY package, make sure you know which debian branch you are running. and "testing" is not a suitable answer to that. |
| 11:44.22 | wols | !version |
| 11:44.22 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 11:44.27 | sandstorm | seb82: sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/132823/ |
| 11:44.37 | wols | seb82: no it won't. we already know what's in there from his paste |
| 11:44.58 | sandstorm | wols: this server is running Debian 4.0 which is etch I guess |
| 11:45.11 | wols | sandstorm: which debian are you running? I suggest you use ALL the commands dpkg gave above since your debian is probably a bad mix of many different branches |
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| 11:45.33 | seb82 | it came for sarge... |
| 11:45.37 | wols | sandstorm: you run a server with testing? a 5 year out of date testing? |
| 11:45.44 | wols | what came? |
| 11:45.52 | seb82 | *from sarge |
| 11:45.54 | sandstorm | wols: not me sir, it belongs to a school |
| 11:46.17 | seb82 | they moved it knowingly from stable to testing |
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| 11:46.49 | seb82 | wols: #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r4 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20061116)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 11:47.46 | seb82 | erm why do i have the urge to tell him to reinstall from scratch with debian squeeze? |
| 11:48.18 | wols | sandstorm: what what various versions of stuff does it run? |
| 11:48.21 | frozencemetery | seb82: that is what we call a "good idea" |
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| 11:48.36 | wols | important parts are kernel, libc mainly |
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| 11:49.01 | sandstorm | wols, seb82: version of the system: http://paste.debian.net/132825/ |
| 11:49.10 | frozencemetery | seb82: personally I would say that dealing with migration will be too hard since it really isn't mirrored anymore for that version |
| 11:49.32 | sandstorm | wols, seb82: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 11:50.32 | seb82 | so it was sarge based... changed to unstable at first with stable/updates for security, then moved into testing even for security... |
| 11:51.13 | seb82 | wols, you agree with commenting '#' the non-us lines? |
| 11:51.27 | sandstorm | since it is a school server, there are lots of webpages running and stuff, so it is better I just can fix the system as it is |
| 11:51.56 | seb82 | who managed it before you? |
| 11:51.57 | wols | sandstorm: then I suggest you bring it to a defined version of debian (etch). /msg dpkg etch |
| 11:52.05 | sandstorm | seb82: god knows :) |
| 11:52.06 | frozencemetery | if you could find a sarge mirror, you would want to get the sources.list pointing to sarge and update all of that. then upgrade that to lenny, and then to squeeze. |
| 11:52.18 | wols | a sarge mirror is not what he needs |
| 11:52.29 | wols | and between sarge and lenny there is etch. |
| 11:52.38 | wols | !tell sandstorm about etch sources.list |
| 11:52.51 | seb82 | lol a school running an unmaintained server... lucky it is still running |
| 11:52.52 | frozencemetery | wols: I would assume that this system isn't current with sarge, so it would be good to do that before going to etch? |
| 11:53.07 | sandstorm | seb82: thanks to debian :) |
| 11:53.30 | wols | frozencemetery: why do you think so? especially when the system runs etch? |
| 11:53.56 | sandstorm | wols: so might I update my sources.list with the suggested one from dpkg bot? |
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| 11:54.16 | seb82 | wols: in theory, could it be straight upgraded to squeeze? |
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| 11:54.33 | wols | seb82: neither in theory or practice. doing that will break it horribly |
| 11:54.41 | frozencemetery | wols: sorry, I misread that...thought it was running sarge. Point is it should be upgraded to be current with the last release of whatever it has, then updated. |
| 11:54.54 | wols | you have to go through all the versions in between. debian can only be upgraded to the next version of debian |
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| 11:55.12 | wols | frozencemetery: he runs a kernel of sarge after all. and the system was installed with sarge |
| 11:55.44 | seb82 | wols: okay so we should be updating from sarge to etch then to Lenny and then to squeeze? |
| 11:55.52 | blackshirt | anyone here know free image filter library for linux, likes libimgfilter used by safesquid for pornographic image filtering ? |
| 11:56.05 | seb82 | ofcourse sandstorm should... |
| 11:56.07 | frozencemetery | wols: yes I think that was what I was suggesting? It's what I was trying to articulate in any case. |
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| 11:56.27 | sandstorm | wols: so might I update my sources.list with the suggested one from dpkg bot? will it be fixed then ? |
| 11:56.40 | seb82 | sandstorm: hold your breath for a second... |
| 11:56.45 | sandstorm | ok |
| 11:57.05 | wols | sandstorm: when you pgrade to etch: /msg dpkg etch release-notes |
| 11:57.20 | wols | correction: /msg dpkg etch release notes |
| 11:57.32 | wols | same for upgrade to lenny and then squeeze |
| 11:57.50 | seb82 | but first we need to ditch the non-us lines, right? |
| 11:58.02 | mactimes | Hi there. I'm looking for a FTPD with WUI, which users management is independent from the local users (i.e., stored in a database or something like that). A friend of mine recommended me one once, but he just can't remember. Any ideas? |
| 11:58.11 | sandstorm | so the first thing is I will change my sources list to: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 11:58.22 | sandstorm | and then, apt-get update? |
| 11:58.36 | seb82 | perhaps first a safe dist-upgrade? |
| 11:58.44 | seb82 | if such a thing exist? |
| 11:58.59 | sandstorm | erm, I do not know how to do that without breaking all the system, it runs like 20-30 web sites of departments :( |
| 11:59.45 | seb82 | make a backup of those just in case... |
| 12:00.19 | sandstorm | also mysql and postgresql is running atm I guess |
| 12:00.22 | sandstorm | with loads of data |
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| 12:02.03 | sandstorm | I actually was trying to install libgd for php5 and apt-get did not work because it is way old, I might be trying to install it manually just to avoid any changes to the system |
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| 12:03.31 | seb82 | sandstorm; I think you'll be running in to much more problems... |
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| 12:03.49 | seb82 | sandstorm: normally when updating a system you'll inform the users and take the server offline for a short period... |
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| 12:04.54 | seb82 | I could try to regenerate a copy of your system... if you tell me wot it currently runs... |
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| 12:05.09 | seb82 | I'll install sarge to my external drive and see where it takes me |
| 12:05.38 | sandstorm | how can I find out which packages are installed, or which applications currently working? |
| 12:06.14 | frozencemetery | ps? |
| 12:06.30 | nkuttler | sandstorm: dpkg -l, ps |
| 12:06.39 | nkuttler | or.. define working |
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| 12:07.08 | seb82 | right... I'll be install sarge for starters... |
| 12:07.22 | sandstorm | seb82: ps -ax: http://paste.debian.net/132836/ |
| 12:07.33 | seb82 | kk thx |
| 12:07.56 | sandstorm | my pleasure |
| 12:08.13 | seb82 | wot about all installed packages, does anyone now that |
| 12:08.14 | frozencemetery | out of curiosity, can you get the output of uptime at some point? |
| 12:08.32 | sandstorm | dmesg maybe? |
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| 12:09.39 | seb82 | good we're installing sarge on the go... |
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| 12:10.14 | wols | dpkg -l |grep ^ii shows you every single installed package. but why do you need this? |
| 12:10.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep ^ii shows you every single installed package. but why do you need this |
| 12:10.26 | sandstorm | seb82: are you doing it on vmware? |
| 12:10.32 | wols | !aptitude clone |
| 12:10.33 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 12:10.46 | seb82 | no, my system is not to well capable for that... |
| 12:11.05 | sandstorm | seb82: so where are you installing the system at ? |
| 12:11.16 | sandstorm | seb82: while you are online :) |
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| 12:11.29 | wols | sandstorm: you do not want to install libgd on this mess |
| 12:11.31 | seb82 | wols, I was thinking if i have 'cloned' system, I could try to see any upcoming issues... |
| 12:11.48 | wols | seb82: so can he. and he's in a better position to do so |
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| 12:11.56 | seb82 | using debootstrap... |
| 12:12.09 | sandstorm | wols: ah it is required for a page :(, also I've heard that there is a bundled gd library for php, how may I figure out that? maybe I can find a workaround to enable that? |
| 12:12.16 | seb82 | wols: I know but if it breaks here, no harm done. if it breaks there... a lot of harm done |
| 12:12.17 | Iridos | hehe... to clone a Debian machine, use some totally cryptic aptitude command |
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| 12:12.45 | seb82 | sandstorm could you give me the output of dpkg --get-selections? |
| 12:13.03 | wols | sandstorm: what do you have in your sources.list now? and why can't you upgrade as suggested? |
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| 12:13.28 | sandstorm | btw how may I paste a big text file onto some pastebin from debian console ? |
| 12:13.42 | seb82 | wols: in regardings of your sources.list question: http://paste.debian.net/132823/ |
| 12:13.49 | stockholm | sandstorm: there is a package called pastebin or so |
| 12:13.53 | seb82 | just try so |
| 12:14.00 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.11 | sandstorm | stockholm: currently I cant install anything on the system because apt-get is broken since it is very old. |
| 12:14.24 | stockholm | ah |
| 12:14.26 | stockholm | ouch |
| 12:14.32 | wols | seb82: soyou haven't fixed anything at all. I strongly suggest you start |
| 12:14.36 | daedeloth | ok, updated to testing |
| 12:14.39 | daedeloth | it works here |
| 12:14.42 | daedeloth | but performance is terrible |
| 12:14.55 | wols | stockholm: he's mistaken. he can't install anything cause his sources.list is pointing to garbage. |
| 12:15.12 | stockholm | wols: :-) |
| 12:15.27 | seb82 | stockholm, we're talking about sarge/etch sort of system with sarge basic moved to testing... |
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| 12:15.44 | stockholm | exciting. |
| 12:15.52 | stockholm | sarge is 5 years old? |
| 12:15.58 | sandstorm | I need to get the file via ftp |
| 12:16.03 | sandstorm | and then paste it to pastebin |
| 12:16.28 | seb82 | stockholm, exactly my point... I just like to see how it works with this ahum special mode... |
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| 12:17.05 | seb82 | I just hope I'll get my wireless card working in sarge... etch... testing... s.e.t.-system |
| 12:17.20 | seb82 | lol |
| 12:17.21 | seb82 | l |
| 12:17.22 | seb82 | a |
| 12:17.33 | seb82 | okay we have sarge in debootstrap... let's chroot |
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| 12:19.01 | seb82 | reminds himself to setup fstab with hda/hdb instead of sda/sdb... |
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| 12:19.56 | seb82 | okay we have a someonewhat working sarge... |
| 12:20.04 | seb82 | now I need to know the kernel version to install... |
| 12:20.39 | seb82 | somehow this seems fun |
| 12:20.53 | seb82 | does sarge have ircii? |
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| 12:22.17 | seb82 | sandstorm how are thing coming? |
| 12:22.21 | seb82 | *things |
| 12:22.27 | seb82 | btw which country are you in? |
| 12:22.43 | sandstorm | hold on a sec please, I am trying to upload my dpkg -l list to web |
| 12:22.53 | sandstorm | if it is useful ? |
| 12:22.53 | stockholm | i am guessing some desert |
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| 12:23.26 | sandstorm | seb82: Turkey |
| 12:23.34 | seb82 | merhaba |
| 12:23.43 | sandstorm | seb82: merhaba :) |
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| 12:23.50 | seb82 | nasilsin? |
| 12:23.55 | sandstorm | tesekkurler siz ? |
| 12:24.19 | sandstorm | I don't know dutch though :) |
| 12:24.31 | seb82 | that covers my turkish... I'm English... using some overseas server... making me look dutch... |
| 12:24.56 | sandstorm | ah I see :) Englishman in Netherlands ? :P |
| 12:25.02 | Slydder | hey all. I would like to automatically mirror a local directory to a NFS share. any ideas? |
| 12:25.18 | wols | how automatic? |
| 12:25.26 | wols | rsync maybe? |
| 12:25.28 | seb82 | nope in the UK... logged into to a dutch server |
| 12:25.38 | sandstorm | got it |
| 12:25.47 | Slydder | an update in the local directory would automatically get mirrored to the nfs share |
| 12:26.25 | seb82 | is fun though |
| 12:27.12 | sandstorm | seb82: http://wikisend.com/download/295108/packages.list <-- dpkg -l with linux type carrige return, line feeds |
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| 12:27.30 | seb82 | kk I'll check it out... |
| 12:27.36 | seb82 | I have to say I now some Dutch... |
| 12:28.09 | seb82 | *know |
| 12:28.35 | sandstorm | ah, a tough language in terms of pronouncing? |
| 12:28.49 | seb82 | you could say that ;) |
| 12:29.12 | seb82 | e.g. peanutbutter... they call it peanut-cheese |
| 12:29.45 | sandstorm | not even close to the elegant style of British English inherited from the kingdom ? :) |
| 12:29.47 | seb82 | when they curse... it funny |
| 12:30.03 | seb82 | i'm not entirely brit... me mother is from Ireland... |
| 12:30.17 | sandstorm | ah I seee |
| 12:30.20 | seb82 | sandstorm are you running any gui? |
| 12:30.29 | sandstorm | seb82: not that I know of |
| 12:30.53 | seb82 | how can you access irc then? |
| 12:30.59 | sandstorm | seb82: wished I had one, can I run a gui, wm or a dm via ssh like console ? |
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| 12:31.16 | sandstorm | it is my laptop which runs winxp, I access to the server via ssh |
| 12:31.17 | seb82 | if you'd install vnc for that matter |
| 12:31.24 | seb82 | you using putty? |
| 12:31.37 | sandstorm | I can do it for my machine but not for the server since apt-get doesnt work ? |
| 12:31.41 | sandstorm | yes putty |
| 12:31.43 | seb82 | my current system... is a laptop a former winxp laptop now running fulltime linux |
| 12:31.47 | seb82 | putty is good |
| 12:31.58 | sandstorm | does the job :) |
| 12:32.00 | sandstorm | for now |
| 12:32.01 | seb82 | we'll see wot we can do about it... |
| 12:32.26 | seb82 | first I must deal with my wireless connection... |
| 12:32.27 | sandstorm | allright |
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| 12:33.44 | sandstorm | yes I guess |
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| 12:34.56 | seb82 | wols, security has no use on sarge currently right? |
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| 12:35.23 | seb82 | nor on other older versions but squeeze, right? |
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| 12:36.21 | wols | lenny too |
| 12:36.38 | seb82 | kk thx |
| 12:36.56 | seb82 | wot server do i need for sarge? archive or archives? |
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| 12:38.26 | seb82 | sandstorm if you pass along your email in private well be in touch... I need to head out |
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| 12:39.57 | sandstorm | seb82: of course |
| 12:40.04 | sandstorm | hold on a sec |
| 12:40.38 | karlpinc | wols: Lenny too? I thought there was support for a year after the squeeze release. |
| 12:41.30 | wols | karlpinc: yes. "lenny too" has use for security |
| 12:41.42 | wols | and yes, year after the next release (approx) |
| 12:41.47 | karlpinc | Psychonaut: Yes. Split-horizon dns. See the arm guide. |
| 12:42.04 | karlpinc | wols: Ok. (He said "security has no use for...") |
| 12:42.12 | claw | just a question : why is the version of liferea that old in wheezy ? Current developer stable is 1.8.1 and wheezy repos is 1.6.5 (the copyright is up to 2009) ? |
| 12:43.04 | karlpinc | claw: You'd have to ask the package maintainer. Maybe he's slack, or there isn't one. |
| 12:43.26 | wols | karlpinc: "< seb82> nor on other older versions but squeeze, right?" me: "lenny too" |
| 12:43.52 | sandstorm | seb82: did you receive the mail, sir? |
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| 12:44.05 | karlpinc | wols: Ah. |
| 12:44.06 | wols | ,versions liferea |
| 12:44.07 | judd | Package: liferea on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.18-1.1; squeeze: 1.6.4-1; sid: 1.6.5-1.2+b1; wheezy: 1.6.5-1.2+b1 |
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| 12:44.50 | wols | claw: there is no 1.8.1 existing |
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| 12:45.10 | wols | claw: not in debian or anywhere else. especially not a stable version. stable is 1.6.6 |
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| 13:10.56 | sandstorm | where may I find old debian packages? |
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| 13:11.32 | flecha | Good morning! Debian doesn't have python-pip? I didn't find it in the repo.... =( |
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| 13:17.31 | nkuttler | flecha: hm, yet it does |
| 13:17.35 | nkuttler | !tell sandwitch about archive |
| 13:17.42 | ujjain | Can somebody maybe lookup how I can recreate xorg.conf? dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver (I have it in text-file) doesn't do it, and failsafe xorg.conf doesn't boot. |
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| 13:19.56 | flecha | nkuttler, my host is using lenny version... |
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| 13:25.21 | dp | I have a cron job running on a debian box that constantly dies from SIGPIPEs. I've trapped the SIGPIPEs, but this brings up other issues. what can I do to actually fix the problem? |
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| 13:28.31 | nkuttler | flecha: virtualenv, easy_install pip |
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| 13:35.10 | lduros | any update on this issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576218 |
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| 13:35.23 | lduros | it's been broken for a while :-\ |
| 13:35.23 | lduros | hehe |
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| 13:35.58 | flecha | nkuttler, looks like it worked! Ty! =) |
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| 13:36.25 | iateadonut | how can i test if a server has fail2ban installed? i've been guessing passwords for someone's site like 26 times. i'd like to suggest they put ssh on another port and install fail2ban; i'm not sure if they don't have fail2ban, though... normally, how high do you set fail2ban (how many tries)? |
| 13:37.30 | househead | iateadonut: lower than 26 I, I would imagine |
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| 13:39.27 | inc0 | hi, I've messed up with alsa and oss, and I've messed up totally. After reinstall of alsa it doesnt see my sound card. Since alsaconf is no longer present how can I force alsa to look for sound cards? |
| 13:39.57 | iateadonut | househead, that's what i figured too. i'm kind of a novice though so i wanted to make sure before i opened my mouth to these people and proved that i am. |
| 13:40.02 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 13:42.52 | abrotman | lduros: i believe this has been discussed .. check the mailing list archives .. i think activating it violates some DSFG issue, can't recall |
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| 13:43.04 | abrotman | lduros: google "debian libreadline" |
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| 13:44.12 | lduros | abrotman: ok. i'll look thanks :-) |
| 13:44.18 | househead | iateadonut: no problem :) |
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| 13:46.06 | iateadonut | does fail2ban also work on DOS attacks? |
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| 13:46.35 | nevyn | no. |
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| 13:50.43 | gusto | hi folks |
| 13:51.40 | gusto | does someone here use midnight commander? i want to get rid of the file highlight. i created my own empty filehighlight.ini in my ~/.mc directory, but that doesnt help |
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| 13:52.30 | gusto | and i dont know who to hell did include this MIME shit ... but i can not remove the packages completely, because they are as dependency on other packages i dont want to get rid of |
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| 14:13.57 | battaglin | how do I reload php.ini I've made changes in max_upload_filesize? |
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| 14:14.12 | battaglin | or should that work right away? |
| 14:14.17 | frozencemetery | ₥ode |
| 14:14.20 | iateadonut1 | /etc/init.d/http restart |
| 14:14.24 | frozencemetery | whoops sorry |
| 14:14.27 | iateadonut1 | or apache2 restart, or whatever. |
| 14:15.34 | iateadonut1 | battaglin, for debian, it's (as root or sudo) /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 14:15.48 | iateadonut1 | but you may ls /etc/init.d/ to find what services you have - check for http or apache |
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| 14:18.23 | battaglin | yeah.. did restart apache2.. just wont upload above a 2MB file |
| 14:18.23 | battaglin | strange |
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| 14:21.46 | iateadonut1 | did you change two parameters in php.ini? |
| 14:21.57 | iateadonut1 | there is a max upload and post total upload parameters. |
| 14:22.31 | qwer | Hello. I have 2 debian machines. How can I mount a remote hard disk? |
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| 14:22.56 | frozencemetery | qwer: is sshfs what you are looking for? |
| 14:24.07 | iateadonut1 | sshfs [user@]host:[dir] mountpoint -p port |
| 14:24.24 | qwer | awesome thanks a lot |
| 14:24.26 | iateadonut1 | because you definitely have ssh on a different port than 22 |
| 14:24.27 | seb82 | back in town |
| 14:25.20 | iateadonut1 | also, if you use dolphin, dolphin supports sftp: in a gui if that's the functionality you're looking for. you don't necessarily have to mount it. |
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| 14:27.20 | iateadonut1 | qwer, that last message is for you. |
| 14:27.50 | qwer | yeah. i'll try sshfs |
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| 14:28.48 | iateadonut1 | sftp://user@host:port/directory - type that in dolphin and then your files will appear right in dolphin without mounting... if you want. i've found it easier. |
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| 14:29.13 | glioros | guys through shh how can i check that mod_rewrite is loaded |
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| 14:29.52 | frozencemetery | lsmod | grep rewrite #? |
| 14:30.07 | SARC | How do i run a .load script for apache? |
| 14:31.03 | Bushmills | SARC: a2enmod |
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| 14:31.32 | seb82 | glioros, is it a module? |
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| 14:32.16 | Bushmills | glioros: check in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 14:32.21 | iateadonut1 | ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 14:32.24 | iateadonut1 | d'oh! |
| 14:32.33 | iateadonut1 | Bushmills beats me again. |
| 14:33.00 | Bushmills | as long as you don't make a habit from it |
| 14:33.01 | glioros | ok is loaded |
| 14:34.02 | Bushmills | qwer: some prefer st like nfs over openvpn |
| 14:34.21 | Bushmills | though sshfs is less setup to do |
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| 14:40.21 | seb82 | where can I get kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 2.6.8-16sarge1, it's not in repo... |
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| 14:43.43 | aminpy | how can I fix line 10 problem -> http://dpaste.com/622648/ |
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| 14:46.41 | glioros | I have this error have this error Options FollowSymLinks or SymLinksIfOwnerMatch is off which implies that RewriteRule directive is forbidden |
| 14:46.48 | glioros | what that means and what can i do ? |
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| 14:48.04 | awwfu | private http proxy at 62.75.246.7:3128 fast |
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| 14:53.10 | TriumphOfDeath | Greetings |
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| 14:55.35 | TriumphOfDeath | Hello, I have a problem .. I'm watching weird lines on my screen! |
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| 14:55.56 | qwer | sshfs works very very well. thanks a lot! |
| 14:56.05 | somiaj | TriumphOfDeath: either a bad video driver or video card. |
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| 14:57.23 | TriumphOfDeath | bad video card can't be 'cause this isn't happening on my old instalation ubuntu910 |
| 14:57.41 | Bushmills | seb82: it *was* in repo. long time ago, when sarge was state of the art |
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| 14:58.10 | Bushmills | !sarge |
| 14:58.10 | seb82 | i'm trying to 'clone' a turkish computer system which still runs sarge/etc in testing mode... |
| 14:58.10 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
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| 14:58.27 | TriumphOfDeath | im using squeeze |
| 14:58.39 | somiaj | seb82: what do you mean 'in testing mode' that kernel will not work with udev |
| 14:58.46 | somiaj | TriumphOfDeath: what video card? |
| 14:59.07 | TriumphOfDeath | <somiaj> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon X2300 |
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| 15:00.40 | Bushmills | TriumphOfDeath: turn off the wiggly lines screensaver |
| 15:00.56 | TriumphOfDeath | Lol |
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| 15:01.42 | TriumphOfDeath | I was trying with radeon and fglrx drivers, I can't believe this, everyone thinks I'm crazy |
| 15:02.05 | TriumphOfDeath | O_o |
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| 15:02.27 | somiaj | TriumphOfDeath: what version of teh fglrx drivers? seems that card is a bit old and not supported for the current fglrx drivers. |
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| 15:02.52 | seb82 | somiaj, i rebuilding the system on my external harddrive in chroot, and when I got it set up, I'll boot into it... |
| 15:03.16 | somiaj | seb82: archive.debian.org then should have all the kernels, etc for sarge |
| 15:03.36 | seb82 | somiaj, I meant the original system was installed as sarge stable and put into testing. Which basically means that the kernel is sarge but some programs are etch... |
| 15:03.43 | seb82 | thx for the hint |
| 15:04.08 | TriumphOfDeath | <somiaj> yup I know that, last version I think this is the matter |
| 15:05.08 | TheWarden | would anyone know what this status code means, 0x0001#012 or where I can lookup the meaning of status codes? |
| 15:05.46 | somiaj | TriumphOfDeath: it doesn't appear that fglrx have legacy pacakges like the nvidia driver. You may have to either install a version that has support from ati's website or just use the free 'radeon' drivers, wouldn't know what you need to support that card. |
| 15:06.08 | somiaj | TheWarden: full error codes in google sometimes get hits, but sometimes take some looking |
| 15:06.40 | gusto | what graphics card? |
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| 15:08.00 | karlpinc | TheWarden: It might help to tell us what that is supposed to be a status code of. Is it flashing on your microwave? |
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| 15:08.07 | TriumphOfDeath | somiaj: I think everything is fine, with radeon drivers -> glxinfo | grep direct -> direct rendering: Yes.. But I still have weird lines |
| 15:08.32 | TheWarden | laughs at karlpinc statement |
| 15:09.29 | TheWarden | the error is from the system log, MAIL (mailed 253 bytes of output but got status 0x0001#012) |
| 15:09.49 | somiaj | TriumphOfDeath: do you still have the ubuntu install that works fine? Go figure out what driver its using as at least you know the name/version of the one that works, then see about getting that installed. I'm not to familar with radeon but I'm just going by one forum post saying the newer fglxr drivers don't support that card. |
| 15:10.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: What log file? |
| 15:10.26 | TriumphOfDeath | ok, thks |
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| 15:10.54 | seb82 | how can I remount / ? |
| 15:10.58 | somiaj | TriumphOfDeath: unsure why the free radeon driver is having that issue though. |
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| 15:11.08 | seb82 | brb |
| 15:11.30 | TheWarden | karlpinc: syslog |
| 15:12.01 | TriumphOfDeath | somiaj: it's ok, thank you for help |
| 15:12.22 | karlpinc | TheWarden: That's not a lot of help. Everything goes into syslog. That's the whole message line? It's probably your MTA. What MTA are you using? |
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| 15:12.48 | WormFood | what is the debian way of reconfiguring x11 video drivers? I just changed my laptop, and the video chipset is different, so need to reconfigure that aspect of the system. |
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| 15:13.20 | karlpinc | WormFood: I usually install the driver package and hope for the best. |
| 15:13.41 | philluminati | In a "modern" debian / unix system, am I supposed to be using syslog-ng or rsyslog or dsyslog or what logging package please? |
| 15:13.55 | TheWarden | karlpinc: yeah I wish I knew more this is just what I saw in the log and assumed by how it is stated that, that isn't a good status code |
| 15:14.17 | somiaj | WormFood: default these days is a blank xorg.conf file, in that case it should automaitcally detect your new driver and load it with no changes |
| 15:14.33 | karlpinc | TheWarden: It's probably your MTA and is also in /var/log/mail.log. You need to read the docs for your mta to tell what it means. |
| 15:14.55 | somiaj | WormFood: if you are using a custome xorg.conf file or made one for the non-free nvidia or ati drivers, you can either just move it out of space or go edit it. No real debian way for how you configure xorg. The nice thing is most things are automatic |
| 15:15.28 | WormFood | my old laptop had an ati, but the new one is just generic intel video drivers. |
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| 15:15.29 | somiaj | WormFood: you will need the xserver-xorg-video-<driver> package, in case you didn't install them all by default |
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| 15:15.57 | WormFood | no, I didn't install them all by default, but I'm not sure which package name corresponds to my video chip |
| 15:16.09 | somiaj | WormFood: go check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and make sure you aren't trying to load ati drivers)...just omving the file out of place and letting automatic detection should work just fine. |
| 15:16.14 | TheWarden | karlpinc: okay I hate to sound stupid but what is MTA and unfortunately for some reason all mail log files are 0 bytes (empty files). |
| 15:16.15 | karlpinc | philluminati: The debian default, IIRC, is rsyslog. You can use what you like. You could ask in #debian-next (on irc.debian.org?) to see what's the default for wheezy. |
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| 15:16.40 | philluminati | alright thanks karlpinc |
| 15:16.46 | somiaj | WormFood: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- for intel drivers |
| 15:16.58 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Sounding stupid is expected here. We all sound stupid. Mail Transfer Agent. Sendmail, exim, postfix, etc. |
| 15:17.43 | TheWarden | karlpinc: ahh okay I figured as much but wasn't positive as I just assumed what MTA was :). okay well that would be sendmail then. Thanks. |
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| 15:18.27 | somiaj | ug, sendmail is ugly...dpkg -l | grep sendmail to make sure. (: |
| 15:19.26 | peterrooney | I'm stupider than you! (and slower) |
| 15:20.06 | WormFood | sendmail is great...I mean, if you want someone else to own your machine. |
| 15:20.31 | WormFood | sendmail was the president of the "exploit of the week club" for many years |
| 15:20.32 | karlpinc | WormFood: That's not so true any more. It's just painful to administer. |
| 15:20.55 | WormFood | yeah, I know...however, it shows me that it is not a good design to start with. |
| 15:21.04 | WormFood | has been running qmail since 1999 |
| 15:21.23 | karlpinc | WormFood: Yeah. It just grew. Like Topsey. I prefer postfix myself. |
| 15:21.41 | wols | WormFood: 1999 qmail was nice and state of the art. that that was eons ago. time has moved forward, qmail did not |
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| 15:23.34 | karlpinc | In poking around update-alternatives to see how to ask it about mta's. I can't figure out what to ask it, as usual. Is there no "alternative group", or whatever the vocabulary is, unless you've got more than one alternative installed? |
| 15:23.46 | karlpinc | s/'// *sigh* |
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| 15:24.06 | petemc | you cant have more than one mta installed via the packaging system |
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| 15:24.28 | karlpinc | petemc: Ah. Sanity. |
| 15:25.07 | WormFood | wols, if you think qmail has not moved forward, then you are sadly misinformed. |
| 15:25.18 | petemc | no he's not |
| 15:25.20 | wols | karlpinc: Provides: mail-transport-agent fwiw |
| 15:25.35 | karlpinc | wols: Right. Thanks. |
| 15:25.44 | echo083 | in your opinion how long should take the search of a file in 300Mb of data with the find command just by name on a 7200RPM harddrive formated with reiserfs ? |
| 15:25.48 | wols | WormFood: qmail hasn't gotten a single new line of code in years. all there is, is a hodgepodge of badly integrated and maintained patches |
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| 15:26.25 | WormFood | there are some patches that gets the original author's blessings. |
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| 15:27.27 | atul | Hi am newbie to debian, till time uses Ubuntu now wanted to used Debian OS. I am trying to download Debian OS form here :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/ but here its showing list of .iso files so Do I need to download all files ? |
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| 15:27.33 | WormFood | qmail is fast, reliable, easy to configure, and flexible...while it is sad that DJB no longer maintains it, there are other talented people maintaining it. |
| 15:28.03 | WormFood | atul, if you have a good internet connection, I suggest you do a net install |
| 15:28.48 | WormFood | atul, if your network interface needs firmware, then I strongly suggest you use the unofficial net install, because the official debian net install does not contain firmware images (but you can load them from usb) |
| 15:29.39 | WormFood | if you have a network connection, then all you really need it the first dvd...but if you have no network connection, you may need to download more, depending on what you want to install. |
| 15:30.14 | atul | WormFood, thanks for reply I do have good Internet connection |
| 15:31.09 | wols | atul: you only need CD1 from there. or the netinst iso, whichever you want |
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| 15:31.45 | TheWarden | karlpinc: would I just search for sendmail status codes? |
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| 15:33.11 | atul | wols, Thanks for reply, You means from this site where listed almost 50.iso list I need to get first one only http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:33.24 | wols | yes. as I said: CD1 is all you need |
| 15:34.29 | wols | atul: these CDs contain the full debian repository which is the biggest linux distro around. so you only want to download all CDs if you really need ALL of debian while being in the african jungle the whole next year. if you have an internet connection, they're not needed |
| 15:35.12 | atul | wols, oh that I was not aware of I need basic Debian. I will download first CD only then |
| 15:35.25 | atul | wols, WormFood Thaks for help |
| 15:35.32 | WormFood | get the unofficial net install, if your network card needs firmware images |
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| 15:35.50 | WormFood | if you're not sure, then get the unofficial net install |
| 15:36.36 | atul | WormFood, unofficial net install ? I didnt get it can you please tell more |
| 15:37.19 | WormFood | if you got the official net install, then you *may* need the firmware files for your network card. It all depends on what card you have. |
| 15:37.56 | WormFood | if you already have the first DVD or the net install, then you can download the firmware images, and put on a usb drive, if you need them |
| 15:38.14 | atul | WormFood, oh got it Thank You Very Much |
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| 15:38.58 | WormFood | your welcome |
| 15:39.20 | WormFood | is lists.debian.org blocked in China? (it appears that way) |
| 15:40.30 | WormFood | either it is blocked, or there was a problem with the server that was fixed by the time it took me to route that IP over my vpn. |
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| 15:48.46 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've a very big question: i've compiled my kernel and many applications i use to make my system much faster - now my question is: can i somehow create an installation for my system so that when i have to reinstall i don't have to do all the work again ?? |
| 15:49.10 | MrMind | is there any big performance differens on transmission cli and rtorrent? |
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| 15:52.08 | wols | !gentoosmite rocketmagnet |
| 15:52.08 | dpkg | spends 6 days recompiling rocketmagnet, and when it's all done, rocketmagnet runs 8% slower than previously |
| 15:52.50 | wols | rocketmagnet: have you created .deb files when you compiled your wonderfully optimized binaries? |
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| 15:58.19 | Captain_Harlock | have a problem with my APU AMD E-350. the current resolution is 800x600. Using the latest debian. could somebody offer any help? |
| 15:59.41 | Captain_Harlock | the gpu is the Radeon XXXX and is on die with the CPU Zacate AMD E-350. |
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| 16:02.45 | Bushmills | Captain_Harlock: try xrandr to change resolution |
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| 16:03.38 | jelly | the thing is likely too new for squeeze xorg |
| 16:03.58 | wols | not just likely, it is |
| 16:04.09 | wols | Captain_Harlock: get xorg from backports |
| 16:04.26 | wols | if that doesn't help, you might need fglrx |
| 16:04.41 | rocketmagnet | wols: no |
| 16:04.46 | Captain_Harlock | i have downloaded the proprietary fglrx but no luck |
| 16:04.51 | rocketmagnet | i just have .tar.bzip3 |
| 16:04.53 | rocketmagnet | i just have .tar.bzip2 |
| 16:04.56 | MrMind | exit |
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| 16:05.19 | rocketmagnet | wols: i want to backup the root partition and all other system related partitions like /var /usr etc. |
| 16:05.30 | wols | Captain_Harlock: if you have installed it (the one you downloaded from amd.com) you have broken your debian xorg anyways |
| 16:05.37 | wols | rocketmagnet: then do it? |
| 16:05.40 | rocketmagnet | so i can restore my system after system troubles without having to recompile everything again |
| 16:06.25 | rocketmagnet | my main question is how to backup those partitions and how to restore them - i think i've to create a live cd and put the backups there so i can restore the system with the live-cd |
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| 16:07.42 | spersaud | how do I get erlang R14B04 ??? |
| 16:07.51 | spersaud | I am on amd 64 .. help help help |
| 16:08.22 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about clonezilla |
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| 16:09.02 | wols | ,versions erlang |
| 16:09.04 | judd | Package: erlang on i386 -- lenny: 1:12.b.3-dfsg-4; squeeze: 1:14.a-dfsg-3; sid: 1:14.b.3-dfsg-2; wheezy: 1:14.b.3-dfsg-2 |
| 16:09.09 | rocketmagnet | wols: thanks alot |
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| 16:23.02 | CyberScript32_ | Do i need a special kind of NIC to make a linux box interact with a switch that has vlans? In other words, a normal NIC can manage Dot1q frames with the propers packages installed? |
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| 16:28.33 | Psychonaut | Do i need a special kind of NIC to make a linux box interact with a switch that has vlans? In other words, a normal NIC can manage Dot1q frames with the propers packages installed? |
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| 16:29.50 | cusco | Psychonaut: I believe so |
| 16:30.27 | Psychonaut | cusco all the tutorials at the net just put the package vlan and done... nothing about special kind of interface. |
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| 16:30.39 | levinhu171 | hi! i included another server in the sources.list ... but appears that signature cannot be verified ... what a can do to resolve this? |
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| 16:31.45 | Walex | levinhu171: you have to find where the signature for that repository (not server) is published. |
| 16:32.07 | Walex | levinhu171: often for Debian related things it is in the Debian keyring package or in a PGP keyserver |
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| 16:32.44 | cusco | Psychonaut: I meant I belieave any normal NIC should do it |
| 16:32.46 | cusco | sorry |
| 16:33.02 | Psychonaut | [cusco]: oh, ok |
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| 16:35.51 | levinhu171 | Walex ok, i will try to solve this problem. thanks for you help |
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| 16:35.55 | levinhu171 | ;) |
| 16:36.16 | Walex | levinhu171: there are lots of web pages on how to find and import keys |
| 16:36.43 | Walex | levinhu171: often you can just use the key "summary" as a web search keyword and you'll find the key |
| 16:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | Psychonaut: vlan is tcp/ip |
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| 16:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | Psychonaut: NICs handle TCP/IP over Ethernet/Fiber/CoAx/WiFi/Whatever, they don't care what's in it. |
| 16:38.33 | nevyn | jhutchins_lt: BZZT |
| 16:38.47 | nevyn | 802.1q is not tcp/ip |
| 16:39.23 | nevyn | it's a layer2 framing encapsulation (below TCP/IP in the OSI stack) |
| 16:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, I've got my layers mixed up, but the NICs don't care. |
| 16:40.04 | nevyn | kinda |
| 16:40.11 | nevyn | TCP offload engines do care |
| 16:40.21 | nevyn | but dumb nic's don't care |
| 16:40.31 | nevyn | as long as they support large enough frames |
| 16:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | Which is more what he was asking. |
| 16:41.01 | nevyn | (slightly larger than a normally framed TCP/IP MTU in dumb frame encapsulation) |
| 16:42.02 | ltsampros | Hi guys, sorry for the dumb question, but is there any authoritative guide on how to dist-upgrade to testing ? |
| 16:42.26 | themill | ltsampros: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:42.48 | ltsampros | themill: thank you sir! |
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| 16:45.45 | buhman | how can I tell apt to change architectures? |
| 16:45.52 | buhman | and change all the packages appropriately? |
| 16:46.31 | jhutchins_lt | ltsampros: Mind you, since testing is in a state of flux, you do so at your own risk. |
| 16:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: From which to what? |
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| 16:47.58 | themill | buhman: you can't. Backup your data and "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" prior to reinstalling. |
| 16:48.00 | buhman | jhutchins_lt: 32-to-64 or 64-to-32 or x86_32/64-to-arm or anything-supported-to-anything-supported |
| 16:48.11 | buhman | surely a 64-bit installation can bootstrap a 32-bit and then do some kexec sorcery and go from there right? |
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| 16:49.43 | buhman | themill: I'd think I could just say "apt change-architecture go!" and it could do everything for me... |
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| 16:50.11 | themill | and how exactly would that work... |
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| 16:50.46 | buhman | themill: afaik, especially for the 32-to-64 case, you could just kexec your new kernel and then have it proceed with the "installation", right? |
| 16:51.25 | themill | except you need all the libraries to magically change at the same time from i386 to amd64. |
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| 16:51.46 | buhman | well, only the ones you need to reinstall the libraries you need... |
| 16:52.01 | buhman | don't we have /lib32 and /lib64? |
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| 16:52.37 | buhman | they could be installed before the kexec; shouldn't be that big of a deal |
| 16:52.57 | themill | buhman: I have no idea what multiarch stuff they have implemented in ubuntu. debian stable does not. |
| 16:53.13 | jelly | eh, this is obviously not about stable |
| 16:53.28 | jelly | since it does not have multiarch at all |
| 16:53.38 | themill | jelly: this isn't about multiarch though |
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| 16:54.21 | jelly | multiarch is probably a necessary preq. to do what buhman wants |
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| 16:54.55 | buhman | seems like that wouldn't be |
| 16:55.03 | jelly | buhman: it's very likely not all the pieces of the puzzle are there yet |
| 16:55.12 | buhman | I'm only talking about changing architectures completely, not mixing them |
| 16:56.14 | themill | buhman: and as I said, instantaneously rebuilding the machine in a different arch isn't possible (and in any case would be a reinstall, which I've just told you how to do) |
| 16:56.30 | glioros | what is the server url ffmpeg converts videos ? |
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| 16:57.27 | buhman | it could be done with a logical order-of-operations; there's no instantaneous magic about it |
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| 16:58.44 | themill | buhman: if it's that easy and would be that useful, it would exist already. Feel free to implement such a trivial thing and submit it as a patch. I'm sure the apt guys would be thrilled that someone had finally got it to work.. because clearly no-one has ever thought of trying before... |
| 16:59.00 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: As far as I know there isn't a linux distribution so far that has made migration between 32 and 64 even remotely possible. You install one or you install the other. |
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| 16:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | Intel to arm doesn't even make sense. |
| 16:59.32 | buhman | themill: I never said trivial, I'm just saying sounds like it's possible |
| 17:00.05 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: Nobody's done it so far. It would seem to make sense, particulary to "upgrade" from 32 to 64. Cross platform just ain't gonna happen. |
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| 17:00.54 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: If you were going from one arch to another it wouldn't make any sense to preserve the system folders. |
| 17:00.55 | archman | is there an "official" way to request a backport? |
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| 17:01.14 | buhman | themill: that would be cool though, "bug: no arch-to-arch upgrade support; patch" |
| 17:01.20 | themill | archman: discuss it on the backports-users mailing list. What is it you're looking for? |
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| 17:02.15 | archman | themill: hydrogen => 0.9.5 ; too many deps needed to resolve/break to build/backport it myself/run it :/ |
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| 17:03.26 | themill | archman: that looks like a fairly simple backport to make yourself. |
| 17:03.51 | themill | ,checkbackport hydrogen |
| 17:04.00 | judd | Backporting package hydrogen in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
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| 17:04.27 | archman | erm, not really i think |
| 17:04.44 | archman | i'll recheck |
| 17:04.52 | jhutchins_lt | !tell archman about ssb |
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| 17:05.25 | archman | thanks, will check about it |
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| 17:14.10 | archman | libjack-dev seems to be the problem |
| 17:14.11 | archman | i get |
| 17:14.13 | archman | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:14.13 | archman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.13 | archman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.13 | archman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.37 | archman | sorry for spamming |
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| 17:15.52 | levinhu171 | Walex i solved the problem. thanks for you support ;) |
| 17:16.14 | phorce1 | what's the command to find out what has a file open preventing me from umounting a USB drive? |
| 17:16.21 | frozencemetery | lsof | grep |
| 17:16.51 | archman | getting this when trying to install libjack-dev: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8qs3cQBf |
| 17:17.06 | phorce1 | frozencemetery: thx |
| 17:17.12 | frozencemetery | yup |
| 17:17.55 | wols | !tell archman about bat |
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| 17:19.26 | archman | run: http://pastebin.com/yjNzNH3P |
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| 17:20.11 | wols | archman: which debian do you actually run? |
| 17:20.18 | archman | policy: http://pastebin.com/4Vsbzrxp |
| 17:20.21 | archman | wols: squeeze |
| 17:20.28 | wols | and where did you get libjack-0.116 from? |
| 17:20.36 | archman | hmm |
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| 17:21.50 | archman | wols: apt-cache policy libjack-0.116 gives (none) in both fields |
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| 17:22.09 | archman | Package `libjack-0.116' is not installed. |
| 17:22.11 | wols | archman: that is to be expected but doesn't answer my question |
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| 17:22.21 | wols | archman: dpkg -l |grep libjack |
| 17:22.35 | archman | wols: you're asking me where i got it, and i don't have it; hold on |
| 17:22.49 | archman | ii libjack-jackd2-0 1.9.6~dfsg.1-2 |
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| 17:23.21 | hugoroy | hello i'm trying to install debian on a macbook, i am at the partition step |
| 17:23.35 | hugoroy | it says that checking HFS+ file system is not implemented yet |
| 17:23.37 | hugoroy | what can i do? |
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| 17:24.03 | somiaj | hugoroy: do you want to keep any data on that partition? |
| 17:24.15 | hugoroy | yes |
| 17:24.30 | hugoroy | (im just trying to resize it) |
| 17:24.37 | hugoroy | i need to make space for debian's partitions |
| 17:24.37 | somiaj | you'll probabaly have to use the mac os tools to resize it and leave blank space for the debian cd |
| 17:24.38 | frozencemetery | you should use the mac os installer cd for that |
| 17:24.51 | frozencemetery | boot the cd, choose a language, and then from the utilities menu choose Disk Utility |
| 17:24.53 | archman | wols: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UQiWUB3w |
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| 17:25.03 | frozencemetery | allocate space for debian in the form of a fat32 partition |
| 17:25.12 | hugoroy | frozencemetery, arf. gparted can't handle that? |
| 17:25.22 | hugoroy | my friend hasn't brough his mac os intall cd over |
| 17:25.25 | frozencemetery | hugoroy: gparted doesn't like hfs+ |
| 17:25.31 | frozencemetery | It will do it but it won't be happy |
| 17:25.38 | hugoroy | are there risks? |
| 17:25.43 | frozencemetery | anecdotal |
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| 17:25.52 | hugoroy | so what do you mean it doesn't like it? |
| 17:25.53 | somiaj | hugoroy: loosing the whole partition and any data on it |
| 17:26.01 | frozencemetery | you can try BootCamp.app in mac os which may do what you want |
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| 17:26.07 | hugoroy | ok thanks |
| 17:26.14 | somiaj | hugoroy: the file system is closed source, so the support we have for messing with it isn't always the best. |
| 17:26.20 | Guest1771 | is there any reason why dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome would come back empty, but I'm sitting at a fully functional gnome desktop? |
| 17:26.34 | wols | hugoroy: if you do all this without backups and lose data, it's your own fault. if you do things like resizing, you always must have full backups |
| 17:27.16 | hugoroy | yes, i know ;) |
| 17:27.23 | hugoroy | it's kind of an emergency for a friend of mine |
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| 17:28.12 | frozencemetery | somiaj: actually, hfs+ is an open spec iirc |
| 17:28.17 | frozencemetery | so there really is no excuse |
| 17:28.20 | frozencemetery | same with gpt support |
| 17:28.26 | jhutchins_lt | hugoroy: You might want to read relevant web pages for the particular mix you are trying to do. |
| 17:28.40 | frozencemetery | is running Debian squeeze on his Macbook 3,1 right now |
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| 17:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | hugoroy: Linux on Apple hardware, challenging. Mac on Non-Apple hardware: Serious hackery. |
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| 17:29.13 | archman | wols: should i let the package manager to resolve those problems? |
| 17:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | I've done CentOS 4/5 on Minis, but didn't ever get dual-boot to work. |
| 17:29.55 | somiaj | frozencemetery: hmm, didn't know that. Yes there isn't an excuse, well maybe better support will come one day. |
| 17:29.59 | Guest1771 | anyone? I just did a clean squeeze install, setup my nvidia drivers and such, now i'm trying to replace gnome with openbox, but apt claims there are NO gnome* packages installed. |
| 17:30.22 | jhutchins_lt | Guest1771: Ok. Is there a problem? |
| 17:30.33 | Guest1771 | jhutchins_lt: gnome is still there. all of it. |
| 17:30.33 | hugoroy | jhutchins_lt, can you give me some links plz? |
| 17:30.58 | somiaj | Guest1771: apt doesn't do package globbing with wildcards (afiak) -- try 'dpkg -l | grep gnome' |
| 17:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | hugoroy: I don't have anything current, and I don't know what combination you're trying to get. |
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| 17:31.05 | frozencemetery | somiaj: I really hope so |
| 17:31.10 | Rajko | how do i prevent going to sleep/turning off monitor/etc |
| 17:31.16 | archman | themill: there seems to be no backports-users mailing list (according to http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe) |
| 17:31.21 | Rajko | there's no X, this is a server |
| 17:31.22 | Guest1771 | somiaj: nada |
| 17:31.33 | frozencemetery | I like my computer, it has reliable hardware (it's now nearly 5 years old and haven't replaced any broken parts), even if it is not as well supported |
| 17:31.40 | themill | dpkg: tell archman about bpo users |
| 17:31.42 | somiaj | Guest1771: then you don't have any gnome packages installed...must have not gotten that far. So just install openbox |
| 17:31.45 | themill | archman: it should be there... |
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| 17:31.56 | Guest1771 | somiaj: I am at a gnome desktop, in gnome terminal, even after a reboot |
| 17:32.13 | jhutchins_lt | Guest1771: Then you didn't do what you thought you did. |
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| 17:32.50 | Ash-Fox | I have to ask, is there a better way of providing a "how to setup my repository" to other people? Right now I have to give a long string to copy paste into the terminal, but it seems convuluted: sudo bash -c "echo deb http://pkg.roadapp.internal/x86 ./ > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/roadapp" && wget http://pkg.roadapp.internal/key.asc -O - | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get |
| 17:32.50 | Ash-Fox | install roadapp |
| 17:32.59 | Guest1771 | jhutchins_lt: i'm not sure I follow... what are you implying? and how can I prove it to you? |
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| 17:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | Guest1771: No need to prove anything, figure out what you actually did and do what you actually want, which is probably aptitude install openbox. |
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| 17:34.02 | Guest1771 | jhutchins_lt: I want to remove gnome. |
| 17:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | Guest1771: If you still have Gnome, you'll have to choose openbox in the login manager. |
| 17:34.07 | Guest1771 | thats my goal |
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| 17:47.24 | ruied_ | Hi, I'm having a problem with musiconhold. I've configured a [CNO] musiconhold class (in musiconhold.conf) and added musicclass=CNO in sip user extension, but asterisk is not pickingup the CNO musicclass. Pstebin: http://pastebin.com/S5Kc0bYX |
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| 17:52.03 | ruied_ | ups, wrong channel |
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| 17:53.48 | frozencemetery | heeerp |
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| 17:56.11 | usuario123 | aaaaaaaa:test |
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| 17:56.25 | shundake | Hello there! |
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| 17:57.09 | shundake | I'm in trouble with my suspension to disk... When I resume it crashes... |
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| 17:57.26 | shundake | But when I resume in singlemode/safemode it work... |
| 17:57.34 | shundake | Anybody could help me? |
| 17:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | ruied_: Is this asterisk on Debian? Which release? |
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| 17:58.05 | jhutchins_lt | ruied_: Oh, I presume you went to #asterisjk |
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| 17:59.35 | shundake | my laptop -> Dell Inspiron 1525 uname -a |
| 17:59.35 | shundake | Linux wasteland 3.0.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Sat Aug 27 16:41:03 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:01.54 | somiaj | shundake: its probabaly some module like sound or wireless crashign when its being brought up. (: |
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| 18:02.40 | kristian-aalborg | aight... so my box spazzed out, which is good... diagnosis time! |
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| 18:07.23 | kristian-aalborg | fsck died with exit status 1 |
| 18:07.54 | kristian-aalborg | that's the error I get... I figure the fs is borken, which is not the end of the world in this case... but I'd like something more specific |
| 18:08.05 | shundake | somiaj Humm.. it could be the broadcom module? |
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| 18:08.41 | somiaj | shundake: that is the most likely culprit. One way to test is to disable the wireless and remove the module before you suspend |
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| 18:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Was this a schuled fsck, a forced fsck on reboot, what? |
| 18:11.21 | jhutchins_lt | scheduled even. |
| 18:12.33 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins, forced on reboot... box was totally unresponsive and I had to press the power button... happened once before |
| 18:13.02 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: http://www.snow.nl/dist/xhtmlc/ch03s02.html |
| 18:13.46 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: You'll need to reboot to rescue/single user mode with the partition read-only and check it, possibly with auto-repair. Might be easier from a live CD, though I usually do it from console. |
| 18:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | /s/console/single-user mode |
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| 18:14.43 | kristian-aalborg | this is an usb pen, I can easily move it to a working machine |
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| 18:15.20 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; backup the drive just in case it dies |
| 18:15.30 | kristian-aalborg | I'm not really that surprised that it's gone bad - but I want to know if I did something wrong when I installed it, as my next install will be on a DOM |
| 18:15.50 | kristian-aalborg | it's the OS part of a media center |
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| 18:15.54 | shundake | somiaj Hum... If it solve the problem... I'll need to add the module into a blacklist.. or, whenever I'll suspend it I'll have to do these trick ? |
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| 18:17.49 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins, I'm not interested in "fixing" as I probably can't - I just want the diagnostics |
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| 18:18.58 | kristian-aalborg | I booted the usb pen at least twice a day for over a month... I probably just wore it out |
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| 18:22.40 | kristian-aalborg | needs a nap, bbl |
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| 18:23.42 | Anarchy7 | hi all |
| 18:23.54 | Anarchy7 | whats the command to zip a folder : tar foldername ? |
| 18:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: fwiw I'd concur, nothing you did wrong. |
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| 18:24.57 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins, yeah, I hope so.... but there's a reason people don't boot off of usb's on a daily basis, I reckon ;) |
| 18:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: They're supposed to be fine for reads, just limited write cyclesw. |
| 18:25.35 | boudiccas | i dont trust USB pend/thuimb drives, all cheap and nasty |
| 18:25.46 | boudiccas | pen |
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| 18:26.00 | kristian-aalborg | this was a quality one.... but still just not designed for that kind of thing |
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| 18:28.35 | dondelelcaro | you really shouldn't trust them, but if the key does wear-leveling, you should be ok |
| 18:28.40 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, you can do the wear leveling for it |
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| 18:30.38 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Well, it's true that anything you only have on a flash drive you don't have a permanent copy of. |
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| 18:31.41 | boudiccas | jhutchins; and thats why i wont use pen/thumb drives. but i do store my backups on an external USB h/d |
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| 18:36.53 | bmoloney | I am having issues getting NFS4 idmap working correctly without a reboot. My users and groups from ldap are visible and I restart the 'nfs-common' service but all mounts show up as being owned by nfsnobody. Rebooting causes the mounts to work correctly. Any idea what I am missing? |
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| 18:40.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so I have eth1 as my wireless network interface... it was working then i had to reboot my computer...now my networks says device not managed |
| 18:40.57 | Justin__ | Darkelfjuggalo: by 'my networks' do you mean network-manager? |
| 18:40.59 | frozencemetery | Darkelfjuggalo: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: What did you upgrade |
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| 18:41.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Have you upgraded anything since your last reboot? |
| 18:43.08 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok an hour or so before the reboot i upgraded Flash to Flash 10, and installed two game packages[Battle of Wesnoth and Konquest] but not since I have rebooted |
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| 18:44.03 | aarkerio | hi! somebody is having troubles with fglrx ATI driver module? |
| 18:44.27 | aarkerio | the module is installed but X system crashes |
| 18:45.04 | dirtycookie | hi people i have an eeepc which has a sdcard slot. inserting a generic 2gb card is no problem at all |
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| 18:45.54 | nvictor | hey all |
| 18:45.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | i have attempted to restart my networks without a result |
| 18:45.57 | dirtycookie | but inserting a 16gb from transcend is a problem. It cant get mounted although i can see it gets a device name assigned |
| 18:45.58 | dirtycookie | http://pastebin.com/yyn0LzKw |
| 18:46.06 | nvictor | how do i delete mails i get with the mail utility? |
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| 18:49.33 | Justin | nvictor: did you try typing a '?' ? |
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| 18:50.50 | boudiccas | nvictor; what 'mail utility'? |
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| 18:51.41 | blubberdiblub | dirtycookie, does it have any partitions on it? the kernel doesn't seem to see any partitions. is it formatted with a filesystem already? if so, have you tried mounting /dev/sdb ? |
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| 18:53.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | I am looking over Networking documentation and all I find is generalized information about what this type of networking or that type of networking is...I'm not finding anything related to my particulat problem |
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| 18:53.40 | nvictor | Justin: i did |
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| 18:53.47 | nvictor | boudiccas: sorry was away |
| 18:53.51 | nvictor | boudiccas: mail |
| 18:54.03 | dirtycookie | blubberdiblub: yes i tried mounting it via console, the mount command hangs meaning aborting it with ctrl+c doesnt respond at all only when taking the card out of the sdcard slot. but using a usb card reader, works just fine |
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| 18:54.15 | nvictor | Justin: there is a delete in the command listing, i don't know why it does not work |
| 18:54.17 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: if network-manager sais that your device is not managed then that means what the network-manager documentation's readme sais |
| 18:54.26 | nvictor | Justin: i tried delete 1 where 1 is the number |
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| 18:54.34 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: that README is in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 18:54.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i fix that? |
| 18:54.41 | nvictor | Justin: but the listing still prints all the mails |
| 18:54.41 | Anarchy7 | how to copy a file from one place to another place? |
| 18:55.01 | valdyn | Anarchy7: "man cp" |
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| 18:55.27 | Anarchy7 | man cp |
| 18:57.11 | blubberdiblub | dirtycookie, maybe the eeepc's sd card slot cannot handle it. it's not directly connected, if i remember correctly. it has some internal card reader on the internal usb bus or so. but i'm not sure |
| 18:57.16 | Darkelfjuggalo | so do i need to check 'ifupdown eth1' to find out if it is enabled? |
| 18:57.36 | Justin | dirtycookie: what eeepc do you have? |
| 18:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | nvictor: I always find it hard to find the info on how to actually use mail, and I have to re-teach myself every time. I usually install alpine as a better alternative. |
| 18:57.48 | Anarchy7 | how to get out man? |
| 18:57.52 | dirtycookie | Justin: eeePC 701 |
| 18:58.00 | babilen | Anarchy7: "q" |
| 18:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | nvictor: mail is ok for command line/batch sending. |
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| 18:58.21 | Justin | dirtycookie: ah.. a have a 900 and a 16G card works just fine, but the 701 is older |
| 18:58.27 | Anarchy7 | thanks :) |
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| 18:58.35 | babilen | np |
| 18:58.39 | Justin | dirtycookie: what does file -s /dev/sdb say? does that hang too? |
| 18:58.54 | dirtycookie | Justin: 1 sec |
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| 18:58.55 | Justin | dirtycookie: does something like dd bs=1M count=128 if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null work? |
| 18:59.34 | robin_sz | is there a simple howto for installing a proper Java on Debian and getting rid of the joke one? |
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| 18:59.46 | dirtycookie | Justin: the console hangs |
| 19:00.00 | Justin | dirtycookie: doesn't look good |
| 19:00.04 | valdyn | robin_sz: you mean like a howto for the actual "apt-get install sun-foo" ? |
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| 19:00.35 | somiaj | robin_sz: what is proper and what is joke? Are you wanting the non-free java from sun, intsead of an open source alternative? |
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| 19:00.44 | dirtycookie | Justin: hold one sec |
| 19:00.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok How do I make changes to ensure my wireless port is being managed |
| 19:00.55 | robin_sz | somiaj, yes, exactly that. |
| 19:01.10 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: i told you, read the README in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 19:01.17 | robin_sz | I keep think I have purged all the relevant packages and then something else shows up |
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| 19:01.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | i am looking at that it is telling me to make changes to me /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:02.04 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: so? |
| 19:02.06 | somiaj | robin_sz: well then say that so we dont' have to guess. you need to install the 'sun-java-foo' packages of your liking, you may need to add 'non-free' to your sources |
| 19:02.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | but idk what changes to make, eth1 is set to auto with iface eth1 inet dhcp under it |
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| 19:02.35 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: just put a # in front of those lines |
| 19:02.52 | Darkelfjuggalo | so comment out my wireless network connection? |
| 19:02.56 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: network-manager will ignore any 'iface foo' devices. |
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| 19:03.14 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: correct, because you ware wanting to use another tool to manage them, and network-manager ignores things managed by the default interfaces file |
| 19:03.21 | dirtycookie | Justin: when it hangs, the only way to get the control back of the terminal i take the card out, and when i take the card out during the execution of ur command i get the following output |
| 19:03.22 | dirtycookie | http://pastebin.com/cAWg06x0 |
| 19:03.25 | robin_sz | somiaj, and apt-get remove --purgr openjdk-6-jre .. and anything else? |
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| 19:03.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | i just want it to work, i dont care what is managing it right now |
| 19:03.42 | valdyn | robin_sz: purging the other java is not required |
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| 19:04.01 | somiaj | robin_sz: dpkg -l | grep java (if you want to see what java packages you have installed) |
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| 19:05.21 | robin_sz | whats this iced-tea stuff? does that need to go too? |
| 19:05.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok... i have commented it out How does that assist me in getting it to work? |
| 19:05.45 | valdyn | robin_sz: you dont need to uninstall anything |
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| 19:06.06 | valdyn | robin_sz: but you can, *we* dont know which vm you want to use |
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| 19:06.25 | robin_sz | valdyn, well, id rather be safe than sorry, deploying stuff that worked on one box but not another sucks |
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| 19:06.37 | robin_sz | valdyn, Sun 6 jre |
| 19:07.10 | robin_sz | still too much unimplemented in the open source one |
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| 19:07.49 | babilen | (which is the reference implementation for 7) |
| 19:08.07 | valdyn | the sun one has broken networking on debian/amd64 |
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| 19:08.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | Im not understanding how commenting out my wireless interface is going to make it work |
| 19:08.18 | valdyn | something with ipv6 |
| 19:08.35 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: we told you |
| 19:08.39 | robin_sz | not on amd64 |
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| 19:08.54 | robin_sz | the openjdk one doesnt seem to have a working appletviewer |
| 19:08.55 | action09 | hi all |
| 19:09.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | not clearly enough |
| 19:09.46 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: commenting out fixes nothing directly, but it makes the choice that network-manager handles that interface |
| 19:09.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | i was told i wanted something else to manage my wireless connection and I didn't even know i did |
| 19:10.15 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: you complained about network-manager net "managing" that device |
| 19:10.45 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: we just showed you how to make it so that network-manager will manage that device |
| 19:10.45 | dirtycookie | Justin: u there |
| 19:10.50 | Justin | dirtycookie: yep |
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| 19:11.20 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: and thats probably a good choice as i dont see you managing to find the correct contents for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:11.27 | dirtycookie | Justin: what can u say about the output?? |
| 19:12.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | No, I am complaining that the the device is not managed according to the top right, whatever that is that shows all available network connections. and I CANNOT ACCESS MY WI-FI |
| 19:12.20 | Justin | dirtycookie: did the dd command hang? |
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| 19:12.29 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: the "top right" is a program that talks to "network-manager" |
| 19:12.46 | dirtycookie | Justin: dd from ... to... |
| 19:12.53 | Justin | dirtycookie: the command I gave you |
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| 19:12.57 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: please forgive us if we dont talk in terms of "top right" but use the actual names of the things |
| 19:13.20 | dirtycookie | Justin: sry, can u give it agian |
| 19:13.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok well that is allowing my eth0 but SINCE my last reboot it is not allowing my eth1 |
| 19:13.39 | Justin | dirtycookie: dd bs=1M count=128 if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null |
| 19:13.49 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: this is all explained in the README |
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| 19:13.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | idc what terminology you use just make it clear what you are refering to as I'm still new to all this |
| 19:13.55 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: did you remove (comment out) eth1 (or what ever device) from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:14.00 | valdyn | Darkelfjuggalo: but you can comment eth1 out too |
| 19:14.13 | icarious | is the squeeze/ wheezy kernels completely binary blob free? |
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| 19:14.17 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you may have to restart network-manager after that so it relooks for devices to manage. |
| 19:14.27 | Darkelfjuggalo | eth1 is what i commented out, |
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| 19:14.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i cant remember to full command to restart |
| 19:15.11 | somiaj | icarious: that is the goal, but unless you go look at the patches hard to say for sure. But yes in squeeze we split the binary blobs and firmware into firmware packages. |
| 19:15.20 | bmoloney | icarious: i believe so, unless you download the "unofficial" release |
| 19:15.33 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart (I hope that is the name type net<tab> to get it to auto complete) |
| 19:15.41 | icarious | i am using the official one. ok. thats great. |
| 19:15.49 | valdyn | somiaj: does nm-applet still die when you do that? |
| 19:16.11 | Anarchy7 | rm directory |
| 19:16.15 | Anarchy7 | doesnt work ... |
| 19:16.17 | somiaj | valdyn: I don't think so, my guess is it gets upset and complains that it cannot connect to the daemon, but then tries again. |
| 19:16.19 | dirtycookie | Justin: just tried it on the cardreader and it didnt take long to finish, trying it now on the cardslot |
| 19:16.20 | Anarchy7 | rm -f directory also deosnt work |
| 19:16.21 | somiaj | valdyn: I don't use nm..:/ |
| 19:16.26 | Anarchy7 | how can I delete a folder? |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | !folder |
| 19:16.35 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 19:16.45 | valdyn | Anarchy7: rm -r directory |
| 19:17.00 | somiaj | Anarchy7: you need the -r flag as well (Recursive) but be careful rm -rf is very dangerous, because it will remove everything it can. |
| 19:17.00 | Anarchy7 | ok |
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| 19:17.29 | Justin | Anarchy7: perhaps you should read a book or introductory article on unix? |
| 19:17.33 | Anarchy7 | I want to remove only that folder not entire system ... |
| 19:17.33 | dirtycookie | Justin: jep it hangs |
| 19:17.43 | action09 | is there a debian group for wifi ? i mean a suer need to be in a group to obtain an ip adress via wifi ? |
| 19:17.44 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok Thank you...i'm sorry if I'm getting pissy... I'm getting frustrated |
| 19:17.45 | Anarchy7 | it wouldnt delete other things than the folder right? |
| 19:18.00 | Justin | dirtycookie: yeah, not looking good.. the 701 might not support SDHC |
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| 19:18.44 | action09 | i'm just curious because i can't get an ip address with dhcp with wifi... only wifi, and it's weird because i use an internal wifi card on a laptop, and also i tried with an external wifi (alfa) usb, same problem |
| 19:19.14 | dirtycookie | justin: lol ok, is there any way around it?? |
| 19:19.29 | Justin | dirtycookie: find out what the largest SD card the 701 supports and buy that one |
| 19:19.30 | somiaj | action09: what sort of security is on the wifi connenction? |
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| 19:19.47 | Justin | action09: " i can't get an ip address with dhcp with wifi... only wifi" what? |
| 19:20.02 | action09 | somiaj i tried with wep and wpa2.. |
| 19:20.39 | action09 | Justin hmm yes :) i can see wifi networks and when i try to connect and obtain an ipadress with dhcp , no way |
| 19:20.57 | action09 | manually configuring the interface or using wicd |
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| 19:21.08 | somiaj | action09: how did you try? are you using a network-manager or /etc/network/interfaces -- are you using wapsupplicant for wpa? |
| 19:21.18 | action09 | somiaj yes |
| 19:21.36 | action09 | for wpasupplicant |
| 19:21.44 | dirtycookie | Justin: ok i could do that but, but is it the only way?? |
| 19:21.57 | somiaj | action09: is it a large network with lots of AP points? It just seems that your issue is you don't have the right passphrase for the network. |
| 19:22.03 | Justin | dirtycookie: is the hardware you have does not support an sdhc card, then an sdhc card is not going to work |
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| 19:22.21 | Justin | action09: how are you actually trying to connect. be specific. |
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| 19:22.41 | action09 | somiaj yes maybe you're rught i was not thinking about this hypothesis |
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| 19:23.22 | somiaj | action09: either that are aren't using the right security model, i.e. wep vs wap |
| 19:24.09 | ltsampros | I upgraded from debian squeeze (everything worked fine) to debian testing (wheezy), but unfortunately there seems to be some problem with nforce4 chipsets and forcedeth driver. Is anyone faceing the same issue ? |
| 19:24.11 | action09 | Justin ok sorry, here the post on debian userlist: http://pastebin.com/RfCiRd0A |
| 19:24.26 | somiaj | ltsampros: check the bts. Welcome to testing! (: |
| 19:24.28 | action09 | somiaj i'll check this before saying it's a bug :) thanks |
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| 19:24.45 | Justin | action09: that does not help. at all. |
| 19:24.50 | Justin | action09: HOW are you trying to connect |
| 19:25.02 | Justin | !+smart questions |
| 19:25.03 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 19:25.16 | action09 | Justin i tried with wicd and/or configuring manually interfaces |
| 19:25.34 | Justin | action09: which are you trying NOW |
| 19:25.37 | ltsampros | somiaj: np. I'll hopefully find an old ethernet card around here to cope until this gets sorted. |
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| 19:25.51 | action09 | Justin wicd, detect network (open) and use it ... getting an ip address cia wicd |
| 19:25.54 | action09 | via |
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| 19:26.42 | Justin | action09: ok, so it works? |
| 19:26.48 | somiaj | ltsampros: well learn to read the logs, check dmesg, try to track down where the problem is (error message are usually spit out) and then fix it. Testing is a <moving target> so things change and need fixed. (: |
| 19:27.18 | ltsampros | somiaj: nothing there unfortunately :/ older kernel doesn't work either which kinda surprised me |
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| 19:27.30 | nvictor | hi |
| 19:27.44 | nvictor | i have a few question about the caching feature of django |
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| 19:27.54 | somiaj | ltsampros: well figure out what 'doesn't work' means in your case. Try to isolate the error. |
| 19:28.04 | action09 | Justin no :) |
| 19:28.24 | Justin | action09: this "open" network is one that does not use WEP or WPA? |
| 19:28.31 | nvictor | oops |
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| 19:28.48 | action09 | Justin correct |
| 19:28.48 | ltsampros | somiaj: tcpdump revealed no RX. ifconfig showed no errors either. removed/reloaded the driver to no luck. |
| 19:29.12 | Justin | action09: what does iwconfig say |
| 19:30.12 | action09 | it detect the wifi networks correcly |
| 19:30.31 | Justin | action09: i need to know what it says, not what your interpretation of the output is |
| 19:30.34 | action09 | Justin obviously i've not my laptop right here :) it's not i don't want to be specific sorry :) |
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| 19:38.24 | seb82 | wols, u there? |
| 19:38.30 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have two microSDHC cards that that I thought were bricked by my phone. But strangely enough therir content can be read (and copied to my HD) using the USB connection to the phone. It's detected as a hotplug USB device. Could I use this way to format the SD ? |
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| 19:38.56 | Justin | lord_rob: yes.. by formatting it |
| 19:39.01 | seb82 | lord_rob, yes... I do it all the time since my internal reader doesn't work |
| 19:39.13 | seb82 | lol @ justin |
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| 19:39.30 | lord_rob | sure Justin of course |
| 19:39.33 | [diablo] | Good evening #debian |
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| 19:39.41 | seb82 | likewise diablo |
| 19:39.50 | linugen | evenin' |
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| 19:39.57 | lord_rob | but the problem is how do I know "the drive letter" ? |
| 19:39.57 | [diablo] | We urgently need to find a 3.0 package of "minicom" and any deps |
| 19:40.08 | seb82 | lord_rob see dmesg |
| 19:40.09 | [diablo] | could anyone tell me where to get it please? |
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| 19:41.24 | seb82 | diablo what system are you running and why do you need version 3.0? |
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| 19:42.31 | linugen | seb82: its an old server running 3.0 |
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| 19:42.41 | [diablo] | seb82, sorry, as linugen says... |
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| 19:43.26 | seb82 | debian 3.0 as in sarge? |
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| 19:43.44 | linugen | i suppose so :) |
| 19:43.47 | [diablo] | woddy |
| 19:43.49 | [diablo] | woody even |
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| 19:43.58 | Justin | [diablo]: what are you planning on using minicom for? |
| 19:44.07 | seb82 | woody... you know that's gonna be hard because in wheezy we're up to version 2.5 |
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| 19:44.41 | [diablo] | Justin, linugen is at the DC with serial cable connected to a dead machine |
| 19:44.56 | Justin | [diablo]: do you have screen installed? |
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| 19:45.05 | linugen | Justin: yeah |
| 19:45.08 | linugen | oh wait |
| 19:45.10 | linugen | lemme check |
| 19:45.15 | seb82 | [diablo] for as far as i can see... no minicom 3.0 exists... |
| 19:45.15 | linugen | yup |
| 19:45.47 | [diablo] | doh |
| 19:45.47 | [diablo] | not good |
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| 19:46.27 | Justin | linugen: you can use screen for that.. screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:46.28 | seb82 | can't you upgrade the machine? |
| 19:46.40 | [diablo] | nope, impossible |
| 19:46.42 | linugen | seb82: nope unfortunately not ... kind of an emergency right now |
| 19:46.46 | linugen | Justin: let me try that |
| 19:46.58 | seb82 | does the machine have an usb port? |
| 19:47.00 | seb82 | ethernet? |
| 19:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions minicom |
| 19:47.29 | judd | Package: minicom on i386 -- lenny: 2.3-1; squeeze: 2.4-3; sid: 2.5-2; wheezy: 2.5-2 |
| 19:47.45 | linugen | seb82: ethernet yup |
| 19:47.59 | [diablo] | non existent then eh |
| 19:48.01 | jhutchins_lt | It's not like there's been a lot of breakthrough innovation in serial communication in, oh, the last ten years or so. |
| 19:48.31 | seb82 | can't you use a crosslink connection? |
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| 19:48.58 | Justin | and failing that, I'm pretty sure you can just use cat to communicate over the serial port.. |
| 19:49.04 | linugen | seb82: i cant set an ip on the ohter machine |
| 19:49.06 | Justin | cat /dev/ttyS0 in one window, cat > /dev/ttyS0 in the other |
| 19:49.12 | brunner | I need to hire someone who knows how to set up LUKS to be unlocked remotely via SSH. Any takers? |
| 19:49.24 | Justin | but I've always just used screen |
| 19:49.26 | seb82 | are both machines running debian? |
| 19:50.22 | linugen | yup |
| 19:50.25 | seb82 | good |
| 19:50.34 | seb82 | why can't you set an ip on the other machine? |
| 19:50.35 | dondelelcaro | brunner: http://geekscrap.com/2010/02/luks-mermaids-of-remote-unlock/ |
| 19:50.49 | dondelelcaro | brunner: basically, if you want LUKS, you don't want remote unlock |
| 19:50.52 | linugen | i dont have xs to the machine anymore ... and the guy who set it up redirected vga to serial |
| 19:50.56 | linugen | so i'm working blind here |
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| 19:51.41 | linugen | i think the unavailable machine might be doing an fsck right now |
| 19:51.41 | brunner | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to protect against physical theft of the machine |
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| 19:52.00 | linugen | it isn't properly booting in any case |
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| 19:52.09 | dondelelcaro | brunner: yeah, but remote unlock won't help you much with that |
| 19:52.35 | brunner | no? |
| 19:53.01 | Rajko | says somewhere that debian arping should have -U |
| 19:53.03 | Rajko | but it says unsupported |
| 19:53.04 | seb82 | is it connected? |
| 19:53.10 | dondelelcaro | assuming someone actually wanted the data; however, if you just want to avoid someone casually getting the data, you can do luks over the partitions that you want to encrypt, bring the main partitions up normally, and then mount the other partitions after boot |
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| 19:53.27 | Justin | Rajko: which debian arping? was that a recently added feature? |
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| 19:53.53 | Rajko | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/update-arp-cache-for-ip-address/ |
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| 19:54.30 | Rajko | nevermind |
| 19:54.33 | brunner | dondelelcaro: the machine will be hosted in a third world country. I'm banking on the attacker not being incredibly savvy |
| 19:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | brunner: Not a good way to bet if it matters at all. |
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| 19:55.30 | dondelelcaro | brunner: if you're talking about an attacker instead of theft, that's an entirely different issue |
| 19:55.38 | brunner | being present in person is not an option |
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| 19:55.42 | jhutchins_lt | brunner: People go after servers there expecting just that kind of thinking, or expecting unsophisticated admins. |
| 19:55.47 | brunner | leaving the disk completely unprotected is not a good option |
| 19:55.48 | seb82 | linugen: how is the machine connected? |
| 19:55.51 | brunner | so what options do I have? |
| 19:56.16 | dondelelcaro | brunner: depends on how valuable the data is |
| 19:56.42 | brunner | that is, if I can't be there in person to put in a key, how can I encrypt the disk at all, unless I'm able to remotely unlock it |
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| 19:57.32 | linugen | seb82: i only have a serial between it and another debian machine |
| 19:57.46 | seb82 | can your ssh over serial? |
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| 19:57.59 | linugen | seb82: i have a kvm attached to it, but i can't do anything with it cause every I/O is redirecte to serial |
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| 19:58.12 | linugen | seb82: the machine is in a booting state, so i dont think so |
| 19:58.37 | dondelelcaro | brunner: you can encrypt the disk with a key which is on the disk, or you can have the server get the key from somewhere else, or you can have someone who you trust physically enter the key, or you can bring up the encrypted disks in stages, or a whole host of things |
| 19:58.40 | seb82 | it's been ages since I used a serial connection... 10 years ago under MS-DOS |
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| 19:58.56 | dondelelcaro | brunner: but http://gpl.coulmann.de/ssh_luks_unlock.html explains how to do it |
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| 19:59.30 | linugen | seb82: tell me about it :( |
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| 19:59.48 | seb82 | lot easier then with interlnk and intersvr |
| 20:00.00 | seb82 | can't you get near the machine? |
| 20:00.08 | brunner | dondelelcaro: thanks. I'm looking for someone I can hire to implement it, because I'm looking to have a few other basic things done as well |
| 20:00.18 | [diablo] | linugen, private |
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| 20:00.53 | dondelelcaro | brunner: http://www.debian.org/consultants has the list |
| 20:01.28 | seb82 | wot is wrong with minicom 2.x? |
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| 20:04.32 | blubberdiblub | nothing, works fine here :) |
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| 20:04.52 | seb82 | hows the blubbing blubberdiblub |
| 20:05.37 | blubberdiblub | it blubs well, seb82 |
| 20:05.45 | seb82 | lol *thumbs up* |
| 20:06.16 | Rajko | how do i change one initscript so it always starts after some other |
| 20:06.27 | seb82 | perhaps you can help linugen |
| 20:07.13 | blubberdiblub | didn't follow the conversation. does he only want to be able to access the boot process via serial or so? |
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| 20:07.28 | brunner | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 20:07.53 | seb82 | he needs complete access to the machine... |
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| 20:08.48 | blubberdiblub | seb82, linugen, well. i don't know about this kvm part. i have a NAS here with debian on it that i can access completely via serial if i want, if that helps |
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| 20:09.21 | linugen | screen doesn't seem to cut it |
| 20:09.28 | linugen | i just get a blank screen |
| 20:09.35 | linugen | pff too many variables :/ |
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| 20:11.03 | brunner | dondelelcaro: that's a long list. it's a shame there's no way to sort or filter by skill. |
| 20:11.42 | seb82 | linugen, how do you connect to it? |
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| 20:12.46 | linugen | seb82: i cant right now |
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| 20:13.02 | linugen | seb82: as soon as it starts booting, after the megaraid ctrl is loaded ... it redirects output to serial |
| 20:13.02 | seb82 | linugen: what do you do normally? |
| 20:13.09 | linugen | ssh if its up |
| 20:13.18 | Rajko | how do i make one initscript dependant on another ? just adding the 2nd script name into the 1st didnt seem to do anything |
| 20:13.33 | seb82 | blubberdiblub can you to connect to serial at boottime? |
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| 20:15.53 | blubberdiblub | seb82, yes, i can connect via serial all the time. i can even access bios setup, but that's due to the bios providing serial connection if i want. grub can be configured to do serial on its own or can use the bios's serial stuff, kernel can be passed command line args to send all its output over serial at boottime, and serial login can be configured with getty in inittab |
| 20:16.20 | seb82 | could linugen do the same at this point? |
| 20:16.50 | blubberdiblub | seb82, i don't know, since i don't know what this kvm stuff is. i have zilch experience with that |
| 20:17.01 | seb82 | zilch? |
| 20:17.11 | blubberdiblub | zero |
| 20:17.29 | seb82 | where you from? sounds like a cool word zilch |
| 20:17.52 | blubberdiblub | i'm from germany ;) |
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| 20:18.39 | seb82 | close by then... we only have holland/belgium/france/luxembourg in between |
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| 20:18.39 | seb82 | lol |
| 20:18.46 | seb82 | yeah my stuff shows I'm from holland... I'm logged into a dutch server... |
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| 20:19.07 | seb82 | I know 2 german words... Gotten abbend |
| 20:19.20 | valdyn | seb82: thats not even one |
| 20:19.34 | blubberdiblub | hehe :) |
| 20:19.41 | blubberdiblub | but nearly ;) |
| 20:19.49 | seb82 | valdyn, he understands it... so! |
| 20:19.54 | seb82 | In yer face! |
| 20:20.01 | valdyn | heh |
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| 20:21.20 | Rajko | DO I NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN ORDER FOR MY LSB INFO CHANGES IN INITSCRIPTS TO TAKE EFFECT ? |
| 20:21.26 | seb82 | I bet you did too... mr Duetsland... |
| 20:21.33 | seb82 | Rajko, no shouting plz |
| 20:21.37 | Rajko | i have to |
| 20:21.38 | valdyn | Rajko: run "insserv" |
| 20:21.44 | seb82 | Rajko, we're stupid not deaf! |
| 20:22.02 | seb82 | oh w8... stupid shouldn't have been there |
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| 20:22.15 | babilen | seb82: Could we focus on support in here? |
| 20:22.39 | seb82 | sorry babilen, my bad |
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| 20:25.09 | seb82 | right |
| 20:25.20 | seb82 | linugen, how does your serial connection work? |
| 20:25.39 | linugen | not very good |
| 20:25.42 | linugen | not to say, not at all |
| 20:25.46 | linugen | just a blank screen |
| 20:25.49 | linugen | :( |
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| 20:28.21 | Jarii | Hi, I'm using debian and I have a problem with its ssh server (OpenSSH_5.9p1); I get this error when I try to connect to it: "Write failed: Broken pipe" |
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| 20:28.39 | Jarii | in the syslog I have " sshd[20324]: fatal: Couldn't obtain random bytes (error 604389476)" |
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| 20:28.43 | Jarii | do you have any idea? |
| 20:29.08 | Jarii | I tried searching on the internet but nothing helped :) |
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| 20:32.00 | seb82 | how do you login into the machine normally? |
| 20:32.26 | valdyn | Jarii: check if /dev/random and/or /dev/urandom exist |
| 20:32.53 | Jarii | seb82: yes, I can login in it normally; it's strange that I can log into it normally using ssh, and the root user |
| 20:33.05 | Jarii | valdyn: yes, they exist |
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| 20:33.29 | seb82 | linugen: <seb82> how do you login into the machine normally? |
| 20:33.35 | seb82 | sorry Jarii... |
| 20:33.50 | valdyn | Jarii: on the server you are trying to log in to? |
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| 20:34.19 | mikemol | Jarii: regarding root user, /etc/ssh/sshd_config contains a line which should allow you to disable root login. "PermitRootLogin no" |
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| 20:34.24 | Jarii | valdyn, yes, I tried logging in locally and it works |
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| 20:35.28 | Jarii | mikemol, I left it enabled because sometimes I need to ssh in it as root |
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| 20:35.47 | Jarii | the problem is when I try to log in using ssh as a normal user |
| 20:35.48 | linugen | seb82: normally via ssh |
| 20:35.52 | linugen | seb82: but the machine is not up |
| 20:36.00 | linugen | seb82: i suspect it being in the middle of an fsck |
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| 20:37.20 | kruz | anyone have a sec to help me configure my sound. I had it working fine on 64bit, but I haven't been able to get it working on squeeze 32bit. http://pastebin.com/L14xqrbt |
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| 20:38.18 | seb82 | kruz, alsa, pulse, or oss? |
| 20:38.39 | kruz | Seb, alsa, and it is working, however it only comes out of the onboard sound and I'm trying to use the USB audio |
| 20:39.34 | seb82 | kruz, sorry, can't help you with that... |
| 20:39.50 | kruz | Seb, Thank you (: |
| 20:39.55 | seb82 | does alsactl init, detect it? |
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| 20:40.34 | kruz | Seb, I believe so. It will work on programs that specifically say to use the USB, but I can't figure out why it won't let me use it as a default device (it used to on 64bit) |
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| 20:42.01 | kruz | when I sue alsactl init, it tries to use the onboard sound |
| 20:42.27 | seb82 | which ui are you using? |
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| 20:42.57 | kruz | You mean DesktopEnvironment/Windowmanager ? |
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| 20:44.00 | kruz | LXDE / Openbox |
| 20:44.46 | seb82 | which mixer? |
| 20:44.47 | seb82 | brb |
| 20:45.00 | kruz | alsamixer |
| 20:45.19 | valdyn | kruz: theres 2 methods, one is ~/.asoundrc, the other is setting the index in /etc/modprobe.d/. Both are explained on google |
| 20:45.58 | kruz | valdyn, I set my USB audio to index 0 and I set my cards as 1 in .asoundrc as per my original statement. (with pastebin) |
| 20:46.51 | b_52globe | plz any good dns servers ? |
| 20:46.58 | b_52globe | near france if possible |
| 20:47.03 | kruz | valdyn, I was using http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 20:47.10 | valdyn | kruz: youre assigning a name "card0", im not sure that makes sense, i do this via !default |
| 20:47.42 | seb82 | in alsamixer you can choice the device right? |
| 20:47.48 | Maarten | b_52globe: check opendns.org |
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| 20:48.02 | valdyn | kruz: http://www.seehuhn.de/pages/alsa |
| 20:48.17 | kruz | Seb, yes. It has the AudioHub Speaker as "1" |
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| 20:48.27 | b_52globe | Maarten, thanks but i';m stuck now can open the page my dns doesn';t work :d |
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| 20:48.42 | kruz | valdyn, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 20:48.45 | Dulak | b_52globe: 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 |
| 20:48.49 | seb82 | go with valdyn... he has more experience... |
| 20:49.05 | b_52globe | Dulak, thanks |
| 20:49.07 | Maarten | b_52globe: set your DNS to 8.8.8.8 , then go to opendns.org and find a server near France, then change it to that |
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| 20:49.20 | b_52globe | ok |
| 20:49.45 | kruz | when I had it set before in .asoundrc the only thing that didn't work was flash because there was some bug that made it output all of the sound to the onboard sound. every other program worked fine. |
| 20:50.03 | valdyn | kruz: flash will use the !default |
| 20:50.21 | valdyn | kruz: i dont know what youre renumbering in asoundrc actually accomplishes |
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| 20:51.35 | valdyn | personally i say that pulseaudio is the only sane solution to this, but dont do it, id have to walk you through more ~/.asoundrc stuff, which i have no time for |
| 20:51.41 | kruz | valdyn, ok. well when I had !default and modprobe was picking up the USB as card 0, it was still spitting the output to the onboard. everything else worked fine |
| 20:52.26 | valdyn | kruz: index=0 is set in your alsa-base.conf.. so thats what i would expect |
| 20:52.33 | linugen | brb |
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| 20:53.03 | kruz | (: I'll follow the link you sent me. no worries. all I had to change on 64 bit was modprobe and when I wanted to change my sound to my headset I would have a script that changed .asoundrc |
| 20:53.12 | kruz | Thanks for all your help valdyn, seb82 |
| 20:53.18 | valdyn | kruz: welcome |
| 20:53.39 | seb82 | kruz, np |
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| 20:54.26 | kruz | last quick question. Will squeeze still use asound.conf from /etc/ if I create it, since it doesn't exist? |
| 20:54.36 | valdyn | kruz: yes |
| 20:54.57 | kruz | That was, I think, part of my confusion. |
| 20:55.12 | valdyn | kruz: that file is required for multi-user alsa stuff |
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| 20:55.58 | kruz | q= that fixed it |
| 20:56.04 | kruz | I got my USB working now with asound.conf |
| 20:56.06 | kruz | lol |
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| 20:59.33 | kruz | valdyn, seb82 so I just added the lines for the default card and set it to 1 which is what /proc/asound/cards was reading the USB audio as. then I just restarted the alsa service. |
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| 21:00.01 | valdyn | kruz: you want to set your internal devices to fixed index values too |
| 21:00.04 | seb82 | kruz: and now it works like you want it? |
| 21:00.25 | valdyn | kruz: otherwise having usb plugged out when modules are being loaded will break this |
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| 21:00.57 | valdyn | kruz: or alternatively set the usb thing to a high index value, not 0 |
| 21:01.11 | kruz | seb82, yes. default to USB. valdyn, yeah I will. Right now I just wanted to be able to listen to music while I work on stuff and not have to have a headset on |
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| 21:02.04 | kruz | valdyn, I always want USB as my default though (I don't have speakers plugged in. these are USB speakers) so I set it as 0 to be detected and raised the setting of the internal cards |
| 21:02.05 | seb82 | valdyn: would you happen to know how I can attach my bluetooth headset to alsa via a bluetooth dongle? |
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| 21:02.28 | JordiGH | How can I forbid a process from claiming too much memory? |
| 21:02.39 | valdyn | seb82: i dont know how bt pairing is done in linux |
| 21:02.50 | valdyn | seb82: the alsa part shouldnt be any different |
| 21:02.55 | valdyn | !limits |
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| 21:03.05 | valdyn | !limit |
| 21:03.06 | dpkg | hmm... limit is iptables -t nat -N LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN -j LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -m limit --limit 2/sec --limit-burst 8 -j RETURN; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -j DROP |
| 21:03.11 | valdyn | nvm that |
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| 21:04.03 | JordiGH | !ulimit |
| 21:04.13 | valdyn | JordiGH: you can do some things via /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:04.16 | seb82 | i'd probably need an usb-hub first... only have 3 usb-ports... two in use for external drive... other one for the mouse as my touchpad is broken... |
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| 21:04.40 | JordiGH | valdyn: I keep going into thrashes when I accidentally tell Octave to do something stupid. :-) |
| 21:04.45 | JordiGH | I'd rather it tell me "out of memory, n00b". |
| 21:04.54 | valdyn | JordiGH: dont use swap |
| 21:05.14 | JordiGH | Yeah, that's another option. What's the easiest way to disable it? |
| 21:05.20 | valdyn | JordiGH: or reduce swap size as much as required to make the oom-killer hit before thrashing becomes to annoying |
| 21:05.20 | JordiGH | I guess I only want swap for hibernating. |
| 21:05.30 | valdyn | JordiGH: swapoff -a |
| 21:05.38 | JordiGH | How do I make it permanent? |
| 21:05.39 | seb82 | right i'm gonna try to run debian sarge... |
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| 21:06.09 | JordiGH | seb82: Nostalgic? |
| 21:06.13 | valdyn | JordiGH: add the noauto flag in /etc/fstab |
| 21:06.16 | DammitJim | why can we drag images from a webpage around, but can't drop them anywhere? |
| 21:06.38 | valdyn | DammitJim: its not like that |
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| 21:07.07 | valdyn | DammitJim: but the reason is that this kind of ipc mechanisms is badly unified across linux applications |
| 21:07.11 | seb82 | JordiGH: helping out a turkish school who has a server running a very special system... installed as stable sarge... upgraded in time to experimental (Etch) with a sarge kernel... |
| 21:07.24 | file-exists-p | so I have this really weird phenomenon which happened again: C-c does not kill processes anymore in bash ... |
| 21:07.26 | seb82 | which now needs to be upgraded to squeeze... |
| 21:07.31 | valdyn | DammitJim: or just blame your favourite browsers developers |
| 21:07.33 | file-exists-p | if I start tcsh, ^C works |
| 21:07.42 | file-exists-p | but if I start a process in bash, ^C does nothing |
| 21:07.48 | file-exists-p | it just prints ^C in the xterm |
| 21:07.54 | JordiGH | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 21:07.57 | seb82 | I tried to 'copy' the system and see how to safely upgrade this thing |
| 21:07.57 | valdyn | DammitJim: btw, drag and dropping an image to gnome-terminal works as intended -> gives the URL |
| 21:08.01 | file-exists-p | even if I start new xterms, or rxvt |
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| 21:09.03 | file-exists-p | any idea? |
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| 21:09.31 | file-exists-p | I have no idea of what I could look at to reach any diagnosis |
| 21:09.32 | seb82 | so not really nostalgic... |
| 21:09.33 | valdyn | DammitJim: but it gives gimp the URL too and gimp us to stupid to do the right thing with that url |
| 21:09.38 | file-exists-p | I even started a bash in a strace |
| 21:09.42 | file-exists-p | but in that case ^C works again |
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| 21:09.57 | file-exists-p | hm |
| 21:09.59 | seb82 | more creating a system which if it breaks doesn't cause 20 departments to be without serverspace |
| 21:10.06 | file-exists-p | this is more a place to discuss copy-paste issues? |
| 21:10.47 | DammitJim | valdyn, exactly |
| 21:10.53 | valdyn | DammitJim: generally your experience with stuff like this should be best if you stick to apps within the same desktop environment, or pick a browser that does this right |
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| 21:11.06 | file-exists-p | any bash/xterm/signals expert??? |
| 21:11.07 | DammitJim | right |
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| 21:12.23 | valdyn | file-exists-p: "a process" or a specific program? |
| 21:12.31 | file-exists-p | valdyn: even "sleep 10" |
| 21:12.38 | file-exists-p | can not be ^C anymore |
| 21:12.46 | file-exists-p | same for any dumb command started in there |
| 21:12.52 | Dulak | file-exists-p: first thing to try is bash with no profile or bashrc: bash --norc --noprofile |
| 21:12.59 | file-exists-p | tried -> change nothing |
| 21:13.00 | valdyn | file-exists-p: works for me, is an issue with your terminal i think, try a different terminal |
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| 21:13.16 | file-exists-p | dulak: tried -> still does not work |
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| 21:13.26 | valdyn | file-exists-p: is this a remote connection? |
| 21:13.30 | file-exists-p | valdyn: it works "usually" but from time to time it stops to work ... |
| 21:13.34 | Dulak | file-exists-p: then it's not bash, it's whatever your terminal is sending |
| 21:13.41 | file-exists-p | valdyn: nope xorg + fvwm2 + xterm + bash, Squeeze |
| 21:13.49 | valdyn | file-exists-p: ok |
| 21:13.52 | ejer | file-exists-p, http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/119801-ctrl-c-does-not-work.html ? |
| 21:13.56 | file-exists-p | dulak: tcsh started in the same bash does get it |
| 21:13.59 | valdyn | file-exists-p: programs can fuck up your terminal settings |
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| 21:14.11 | Dulak | file-exists-p: because bash with norc and noprofile executes nothing before the shell, which means nothing can trap the signal |
| 21:14.12 | valdyn | file-exists-p: try "reset" in bash when it doesnt work anymore |
| 21:14.32 | file-exists-p | valdyn: reset and stty sane do nothing :) |
| 21:14.37 | file-exists-p | 30s I check ejer's url |
| 21:15.20 | file-exists-p | okay, in that url, the guy had something that trapped the signal |
| 21:15.22 | file-exists-p | I do not |
| 21:15.26 | file-exists-p | this is a fucking mystery |
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| 21:15.47 | valdyn | file-exists-p: get a way to reproduce reliably... |
| 21:16.02 | file-exists-p | valdyn: to put myself in that situation? honnestly, this is part of the mystery |
| 21:16.10 | file-exists-p | valdyn: if I start xdm -> X |
| 21:16.13 | file-exists-p | it works |
| 21:16.15 | file-exists-p | I work for days |
| 21:16.19 | file-exists-p | and suddently it does not |
| 21:16.35 | Dulak | file-exists-p: do you have an ~/.inputrc file? |
| 21:16.35 | file-exists-p | right now, it does not |
| 21:16.40 | file-exists-p | dulak: yes |
| 21:16.52 | file-exists-p | nothing that look too weird though |
| 21:16.54 | Dulak | file-exists-p: move that file to another name and see if it goes away |
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| 21:17.10 | Dulak | file-exists-p: yeah just going through the stuff that can affect it |
| 21:17.12 | file-exists-p | nope |
| 21:17.20 | file-exists-p | moved .inputrc to dot.inputrc |
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| 21:17.24 | file-exists-p | started a bash in the bash |
| 21:17.26 | seb82 | how can you upgrade to the next version without updating the kernel? |
| 21:17.29 | ejer | file-exists-p, check that stty -a shows intr = ^C |
| 21:17.30 | file-exists-p | still same thing: sleep 10, and then ^C^C^C^C^C^C^C |
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| 21:17.51 | file-exists-p | ejer: it does, and "stty sane" does nothing |
| 21:18.07 | file-exists-p | could I get something by stracing xterm or bash ? |
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| 21:18.24 | file-exists-p | (do we agree this is weird?) |
| 21:18.32 | file-exists-p | tcsh works |
| 21:18.36 | file-exists-p | emacs eshell works |
| 21:18.44 | file-exists-p | rxvt + bash -> same problem |
| 21:18.59 | file-exists-p | console with alt-f1 + bash -> works |
| 21:19.12 | ejer | file-exists-p, for fun try CTRL-SHIFT-C |
| 21:19.28 | file-exists-p | nothing :) just prints ^[C^[C :) |
| 21:19.36 | file-exists-p | I am going to kill myself! |
| 21:19.37 | Dulak | file-exists-p: you have a ~/.Xmodmap file? |
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| 21:19.51 | file-exists-p | dulak no but a bunch of ugly xmodmap in my .xsession |
| 21:19.58 | adminewb | I want to install wine (1.3.29 preferably) on squeeze 6.0.2; would building from the stock distro-agnostic tarball here: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.29, be the best way? could it be expected to build at all? |
| 21:20.02 | file-exists-p | dulak but I insist: it works if I restart xorg |
| 21:20.10 | file-exists-p | dulak: it suddently stops working |
| 21:20.21 | Dulak | file-exists-p: yes but xdm doesn't use the .xsession iirc |
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| 21:20.40 | file-exists-p | hm, it seems to do, since I start everything from there |
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| 21:21.05 | file-exists-p | including fvwm2 and emap |
| 21:21.21 | Dulak | it's gdm that doesn't then, I know at least one of them doesn't use .xsession because it caused me fits about 5 years ago |
| 21:21.29 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 21:21.50 | file-exists-p | btw, only two ugly xmodmap in my .xsession: xmodmap -e "remove Lock = Caps_Lock" and xmodmap -e "add mod5 = Caps_Lock" |
| 21:22.01 | file-exists-p | I doubt this is the root of the problem |
| 21:22.16 | file-exists-p | please #debian, you are my last hope |
| 21:22.24 | Dulak | I have almost the same thing except I mapped caps to escape for vim |
| 21:22.36 | file-exists-p | note that if I sudo root, it does the same |
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| 21:22.52 | Dulak | but logging into the console it works? |
| 21:23.06 | file-exists-p | yes |
| 21:23.15 | file-exists-p | I mean, if I switch to console with ctrl-f1, log there |
| 21:23.16 | file-exists-p | it works |
| 21:23.18 | Dulak | that's pretty weird |
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| 21:23.21 | file-exists-p | indeed |
| 21:23.46 | file-exists-p | but so that I understand, since it works with tcsh, and since bash prints ^C^C^^C, it means that the xterm sends the signal to bash |
| 21:23.50 | file-exists-p | so bash is the problem here |
| 21:23.51 | file-exists-p | no ? |
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| 21:24.19 | file-exists-p | I mean my key press goes from the keyboard through the driver, xorg, fvwm or whoever, down to bash |
| 21:24.47 | Dulak | if it were bash the norc and noprofile should have stopped it. Also if it were bash it would happen in the console as well |
| 21:24.50 | file-exists-p | I killed emap, does not change anything |
| 21:25.07 | file-exists-p | but tcsh does work! |
| 21:25.15 | Dulak | yes, it's weird |
| 21:25.52 | jhutchins_lt | termcap may be involved |
| 21:26.01 | file-exists-p | http://pastebin.com/Us7Edam1 |
| 21:26.06 | file-exists-p | ah |
| 21:26.09 | file-exists-p | AH |
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| 21:26.19 | Dulak | I'm just saying there is no difference between bash at the console and bash in a term, except for the stuff sitting between the keyboard and the screen, which is where the problem actually is. |
| 21:27.01 | file-exists-p | hm |
| 21:27.48 | file-exists-p | I have an hairy setting in .Xresources to mess up a bit the VT100 translations of the xterm |
| 21:27.56 | file-exists-p | is there a xrdb option to reset everything ? |
| 21:28.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | I have games I dont care to play, How do I remove them |
| 21:28.44 | file-exists-p | and emacs -nw gets ^C okay |
| 21:28.54 | file-exists-p | seriously this is paranormal stuff |
| 21:29.31 | file-exists-p | h |
| 21:29.43 | file-exists-p | ... you let me alone with my problem!!! |
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| 21:30.03 | file-exists-p | what would be a reasonable diagnosis tool to check what's going on ? |
| 21:30.29 | craigevil | Darkelfjuggalo, the same way you remove any other package, aptitude remove packagename |
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| 21:30.39 | madi | hello, how can i convert a .3gp file in something like mp4 or avi? |
| 21:30.59 | madi | i can't open it on debian |
| 21:31.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | ive never removed a program before Craigevil |
| 21:31.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | will the package name be different than the game's name? |
| 21:31.40 | valdyn | !read |
| 21:31.41 | dpkg | well, read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 21:31.58 | craigevil | Darkelfjuggalo, aptitude user's manual - http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ |
| 21:32.10 | Dulak | madi: vlc and mplayer both will play 3gp files |
| 21:32.13 | file-exists-p | dulak, jhutchins, valdyn, ejer ? guys ? |
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| 21:32.19 | file-exists-p | ... guyyyys ? |
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| 21:33.11 | madi | Dulak, thanks, i'll try |
| 21:33.37 | Dulak | file-exists-p: I can't think of anything else. Comment 1 line at a time in you .Xsession and see if any 1 line makes the problem go away. There is no tool to fix or diagnose it, termcap is a mess. |
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| 21:33.51 | file-exists-p | dulak: if I ssh on localhost, ^C works in bash :) |
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| 21:35.14 | file-exists-p | dulak: if I restart the X session it will work again |
| 21:35.21 | file-exists-p | dulak: it sometime "starts to happen" |
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| 21:37.33 | Dulak | file-exists-p: no idea man, it's weird, but at the same time you kinda know where the problem is. You either put up with it, or you do the tedious task of figuring it out. The long and hard way, unfortunately. |
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| 21:38.07 | file-exists-p | dulak: as a matter of fact, I take it as a game, a puzzle |
| 21:38.19 | file-exists-p | it's not such a big deal, more a pride issue :) |
| 21:38.37 | file-exists-p | I have a very light config, xorg + fvwm2 + xterm + bash ... I do not want mysteries |
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| 21:39.45 | file-exists-p | interestingly, I find references to ^Z in the man page of bash, and to C-x for instance |
| 21:39.50 | file-exists-p | but none to ^C or C-c ? |
| 21:41.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok I'm not finding what Package is associated with what game... |
| 21:41.27 | file-exists-p | darkel: dpkg -S |
| 21:41.41 | file-exists-p | dpkg -S filename |
| 21:41.42 | dpkg | There is no record of a filename package |
| 21:42.04 | madi | Dulak, No suitable decoder module:VLC does not support the audio or video format "samr". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this. |
| 21:42.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | so how do i know what packages to remove to free up space taken by games and other softward i do not want |
| 21:42.35 | file-exists-p | dulak: even funnier: If I start a bash in a tcsh in the original xterm's bash, it works again! |
| 21:42.50 | file-exists-p | but if I start a bash in the original xterm's bash, it does not work :) |
| 21:42.53 | Dulak | madi: mplayer recognizes it for sure, I use mplayer myself to watch 3gp files. I thought for sure vlc would as well but I was wrong, sorry. |
| 21:43.55 | Dulak | vlc used to be the last resort video player, but mplayer is looking more and more like the real swiss army knife of video. |
| 21:43.56 | file-exists-p | okay, time to sleep |
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| 21:44.01 | file-exists-p | thanks all for the help ... |
| 21:44.12 | madi | Dulak, mplayer actually opens it but doesn't reproduce the sound |
| 21:44.12 | file-exists-p | I will keep you updated if I ever solve that mystery |
| 21:44.43 | madi | Dulak, Cannot find codec 'libamr_nb' in libavcodec... |
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| 21:44.58 | Dulak | madi: yeah that samr thing is an audio format |
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| 21:46.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | Lets try this again, how do I determine the package name for a game i wish t remove? |
| 21:46.05 | Dulak | madi: samr is not a free codec, you have to compile mplayer or vlc manually to include it, since it's illegal for them to distribute |
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| 21:46.23 | madi | i see.. |
| 21:46.32 | madi | thanks Dulak |
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| 21:50.19 | Dulak | Darkelfjuggalo: depends on the game, really. You can try 'aptitude search gamename' to see if it is it's own package, if that doesn't work it's probably a package compilation, ilke gnome-games which includes 7-10 games for gnome in 1 package. |
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| 21:51.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok and is there away to determine if what i want to keep will be removed with the package? |
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| 21:51.59 | Dulak | Darkelfjuggalo: you can do 'dpkg -S /path/to/game/binary' to see which package owns that game |
| 21:52.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok thank you |
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| 21:54.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol i went ahead and removed...it removed all but the 2 games i personally installed...oh well the mines and freecell were pass a few extra minutes anyway. |
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| 21:58.49 | Darkelfjuggalo | im looking in Stable Packages... If I want to install tomboy [i think that is the name of the Notebook program i am thinking of] but i can't figure out which category the package would be listed under |
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| 22:07.18 | locojay | hi i m doing lvcreate -L10G -nelastix-root vg0; lvcreate -L1G -nelastix-swap vg0 but get Volume group "vg0" not found . any idea |
| 22:07.47 | locojay | i m on debia wheezy |
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| 22:16.02 | tharkun | Gentlemen and Ladies, has anyone made a dell 1130n printer work under linux? |
| 22:16.38 | tharkun | I checked the install script and it is indeed atempting to replace lpr which i believe it is a really bad idea. |
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| 22:16.49 | tharkun | Does anyone have a comment on that? |
| 22:17.21 | PerfDave | tharkun: Did you look at linux-printing.org or cups.org for that model? |
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| 22:17.54 | tharkun | PerfDave: no, since i have the install cds, i was looking for the ppd files |
| 22:18.22 | PerfDave | tharkun: I'd advise doing that then. |
| 22:18.42 | tharkun | PerfDave: linux-printing.org is for sale :D |
| 22:19.30 | PerfDave | Oh, whatever the site is then. |
| 22:19.43 | tharkun | lol, nvm |
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| 22:24.07 | robd | Hey guys! |
| 22:24.45 | robd | How can I get a list of all the services and what run levels they are active in on a Debian 5 system? Is there anyway to get update-rc.d to just print a list like "chkconfig --list" ? |
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| 22:30.27 | somiaj | robd: why not just ls /etc/init.d and ls /etc/rc?.d |
| 22:30.46 | robd | somiaj: I was looking for a nice table |
| 22:31.05 | robd | somiaj: But find did the trick ;) |
| 22:31.35 | somiaj | ls /etc/rc?.d is almost a table |
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| 22:33.09 | tharkun | robd: ls /etc/init.d >table.txt ls /etc/rc?.d > second_table.txt |
| 22:33.12 | tharkun | :D |
| 22:33.41 | robd | tharkun: I did the same thing w/ find, but then used sort to make it nice |
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| 22:43.31 | f3xius | is there a way to create an .Xauthority file myself? |
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| 22:43.45 | f3xius | I was looking for a package with mkxauth but I didn't see anything containing it |
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| 22:44.06 | themill | !man xauth |
| 22:44.07 | dpkg | man xauth is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=xauth where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 22:44.25 | themill | bah... that would be one man page not there :( |
| 22:44.35 | themill | f3xius: xauth is the tool for that |
| 22:44.53 | frozencemetery | themill: http://compute.cnr.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?xauth |
| 22:45.26 | themill | I'm not in need of the man page.... |
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| 22:45.32 | poisonbit | why to create a man page that just is a paragraph by each variable, and let the config file without that explanations ? (initscripts...) |
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| 22:46.16 | poisonbit | a.k.a. /etc/default/rcS Vs man rcS |
| 22:46.48 | poisonbit | that annoys me... config files that lacks information, sparse notes, ... what a waste of time for every user |
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| 22:47.11 | poisonbit | of course, you need to read /usr/share/doc/initscripts too |
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| 22:47.50 | poisonbit | why don't just put all the info in the config file, over each affected variable in each affected file ? could not be better ? |
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| 22:48.31 | poisonbit | it's like try to make an idea of what lighttpd or nginx can do, from the debian config files Vs their official files/docs |
| 22:48.58 | poisonbit | commented information does not hurt any user, and keeps your defaults |
| 22:49.40 | f3xius | thanks themill I'll see how I can bend it to my will |
| 22:49.42 | themill | And then if you recreated the config file for any reason, you'd not have the documentation. Or worse, you'd have the documentation in two different places and it would be slightly different. |
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| 22:50.01 | poisonbit | puts rant mode off |
| 22:50.11 | Bushmills | poisonbit: because configurations are more likely to get customised than documentation? |
| 22:50.42 | poisonbit | I deep into information when I want to customize, and viebersa |
| 22:50.49 | poisonbit | vicebersa |
| 22:51.04 | seb82 | wot is the proper way to upgrade sarge to etch? |
| 22:51.24 | Bushmills | grin |
| 22:51.38 | zumbi | seb82: read release notes for etch |
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| 22:51.39 | Bushmills | maybe you want to start by installing potato? |
| 22:51.53 | poisonbit | looks at the calendar |
| 22:52.03 | seb82 | where can I find them? |
| 22:52.11 | poisonbit | archive.d.o ? |
| 22:52.16 | seb82 | kk thx |
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| 22:52.33 | seb82 | and would my ralink-wirelesscard work under sarge/ |
| 22:52.33 | zumbi | seb82: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 22:52.43 | Es0teric | i have a question, how do i setup the /etc/hosts file? |
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| 22:53.02 | Es0teric | i just tried to install ssmtp and it tells me "host:name: unknown host" |
| 22:53.10 | poisonbit | Es0teric, with entries for google analitics to your loopback |
| 22:53.11 | Es0teric | *"hostname: unknown host" |
| 22:53.17 | zumbi | seb82: ralink wireless depends on your kernel |
| 22:53.22 | Es0teric | poisonbit, how do i do that? |
| 22:53.30 | Bushmills | Es0teric: you'd use an interactive hosts configuration frontend program, called an "editor" |
| 22:53.43 | zumbi | seb82: it might work better on squeeze with non-free firmware package:) |
| 22:53.44 | poisonbit | Es0teric, man 5 hosts |
| 22:53.47 | Es0teric | bushmills, its a remote server... i am using nano |
| 22:53.52 | seb82 | zumbi: on lenny and squeeze I installed firmware-ralink (or the other way around) |
| 22:54.00 | Es0teric | nano or vi |
| 22:54.11 | poisonbit | see the examples in the man page |
| 22:54.22 | Es0teric | poisonbit, what? |
| 22:54.24 | Bushmills | Es0teric: then you're almost there. man hosts tells you the rest you need to know |
| 22:54.43 | Es0teric | OH SNAP |
| 22:54.45 | zumbi | seb82: ok, I dont remember if <etch official kernel had support for them |
| 22:54.49 | seb82 | zumbi: i'm doing a test for turkish school... else they mind up with 20 departments without e-mail and stuff |
| 22:55.05 | seb82 | but my ethernet card should regulary work right? |
| 22:55.12 | seb82 | *they end up |
| 22:55.20 | zumbi | seb82: might not be hard to compile a custom kernel or module for that |
| 22:55.41 | seb82 | zumbi: thanks I'll see wot happends... |
| 22:55.55 | seb82 | zumbi: wot about rndis? |
| 22:55.58 | Es0teric | bushmills, but i have the same format that the man page says... |
| 22:56.16 | Es0teric | [ip] [domain address] [domain] |
| 22:56.41 | zumbi | seb82: never used it, ralink had drivers since early days, but some cards changed chipsets, so it was a bit crazy |
| 22:56.48 | Bushmills | well, then you're done with /etc/hosts |
| 22:57.32 | seb82 | kk thx |
| 22:57.42 | Es0teric | bushmills, so then why is it that ssmtp tells me "hostname: unkown"? |
| 22:58.09 | seb82 | if my grub doesn't work proberly... and i end up in grub rescue, how can I start the system from the second harddrive partition 1? |
| 22:58.12 | Bushmills | does it? no idea. iirc, your question was "how do i setup the /etc/hosts file?" |
| 22:58.22 | poisonbit | Es0teric, if /etc/hosts is ok, check that /etc/nsswitch.conf has a line like "hosts: files dns" |
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| 22:59.15 | Es0teric | poisonbit, yes it does.. line 11 |
| 22:59.27 | Bushmills | maybe you have a typo in your ssmtp config |
| 22:59.38 | Es0teric | bushmills, it wont even let me install... |
| 22:59.46 | Es0teric | i do the sudo apt-get install ssmtp |
| 23:00.21 | Bushmills | ah. is that ubuntu ssmtp, by any chance? |
| 23:00.35 | poisonbit | Es0teric, do you have problems with the hosts file ? |
| 23:00.43 | poisonbit | I mean, a ping to your hosts edit, resolves ? |
| 23:01.05 | poisonbit | else forget about the hosts file and deep into the ssmtp docs/support/debugging |
| 23:01.22 | Es0teric | poisonbit, that last thing you said.. pinging i dont get what you mean.. like if i ping the site will it return packets? |
| 23:01.33 | poisonbit | the ip |
| 23:01.48 | Es0teric | yes, it does resolve |
| 23:02.23 | poisonbit | then your hosts edit was successful |
| 23:02.26 | poisonbit | :) |
| 23:02.36 | poisonbit | and your issue is in ssmtp, that I've never used |
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| 23:03.11 | Es0teric | so if i ping the ip and it resolves, the issue is ssmtp? |
| 23:03.13 | poisonbit | is a daemon ? maybe it caches dns, restart it |
| 23:03.38 | Es0teric | poisonbit, a daemon like... nginx? |
| 23:03.43 | Es0teric | or apache? |
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| 23:04.03 | poisonbit | ssmtp... |
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| 23:04.31 | poisonbit | can you response the last Bushmills question? he seems to know more than me about that software |
| 23:04.57 | poisonbit | "ah. is that ubuntu ssmtp, by any chance?" |
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| 23:07.43 | poisonbit | Maybe I got fossilized at some point, on just having exim at servers and gmail at home |
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| 23:08.01 | poisonbit | years ago I had some qmails and sendmails and some mailing lists and squirrelmails |
| 23:08.15 | Bushmills | ssmtp is just a mail forwarder |
| 23:08.32 | poisonbit | seems like a light solution for that cloud things |
| 23:08.40 | Bushmills | nullmailer kind of program |
| 23:10.05 | Es0teric | when the /etc/hosts file is edited, does one have to restart the apache server too? |
| 23:11.08 | poisonbit | what are you editing ? |
| 23:11.12 | poisonbit | a remote host ? |
| 23:11.15 | Es0teric | yes |
| 23:11.16 | poisonbit | or the local deffinitions |
| 23:11.22 | poisonbit | than you don't need |
| 23:11.24 | Es0teric | dude.. the file is /etc/hosts |
| 23:11.32 | poisonbit | and ? |
| 23:11.41 | poisonbit | don't you have entries for your host ? |
| 23:11.45 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 23:16.00 | poisonbit | today I've seen a machine with: an entry in /etc/hostname, other non matching in /etc/hostname, and lvm volume names, with other host (in the lvm names) because the child that installed it, "was confused, but then fixed it" |
| 23:16.12 | poisonbit | errrr hostname Vs hosts |
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| 23:17.57 | poisonbit | maybe I'm still one of the few persons that for little things still prefer djbdns to bind |
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| 23:19.27 | Es0teric | ok, how do i get to the hostname file? |
| 23:19.40 | LiENUS | if a dhcpv6 server gives my machine a /112 will a debian host respond to all addresses in that subnet? |
| 23:19.49 | LiENUS | or will i have to still manually assign all addresses within it |
| 23:21.40 | poisonbit | LiENUS, I just know about ipv4, but... what "ip a s" says ? |
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| 23:22.05 | LiENUS | i dont have a dhcpv6 server yet the next update to my router though is going to include one |
| 23:22.13 | LiENUS | i was wondering if it'll do what i want |
| 23:22.45 | poisonbit | if you don't see them listed, then you may need a "post-up" hook in your interfaces, to add them with ip addr add, and a post-down to remove them |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | it'll probably still do both |
| 23:22.52 | poisonbit | mmm sorry, can't predict :) |
| 23:22.55 | Es0teric | poisonbit, i changed the hostname file but it still shows up as before... |
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| 23:23.12 | LiENUS | poisonbit, well 2^16 is a LOT of adresses to add lol |
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| 23:26.05 | poisonbit | I don't know how ipv6 works very well, it's dissabled in all my networks. But if the dhcp server gives that, the dhcp client should understand the proto... |
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| 23:28.37 | poisonbit | the "should" verb has covered great moments of the computers history |
| 23:28.55 | abrotman | wtf ... |
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| 23:29.18 | antgel | is there a compelling reason why CONFIG_ATH_DEBUG isn't set in the debian kernel? (and other debug flags)? can't believe i have to build a fricking kernel in order to debug this disgusting wifi usb dongle (atheros 9271-based) |
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| 23:30.44 | poisonbit | antgel, most users could not believe that they should run debug symbols every time, in order to you be able to debug your issue |
| 23:30.50 | seb82 | guys im stuck at (initramfs) |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | antgel: which kernel do you have now? |
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| 23:31.54 | poisonbit | whereis fix_stuck.pl |
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| 23:32.21 | Miesco | How do I enable my printer? |
| 23:32.49 | poisonbit | have you installed cups ? |
| 23:33.00 | Bushmills | printers tend to have an "on-line" button to enable them |
| 23:33.29 | streuner_ | !+tell Miesco -about cups |
| 23:33.29 | dpkg | told Miesco about cups. |
| 23:33.53 | Miesco | I have my printer set up |
| 23:33.55 | babineni | /nick bauxit |
| 23:33.59 | Miesco | poisonbit: Yes |
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| 23:34.07 | Miesco | Whats the enable printer command |
| 23:34.21 | antgel | poisonbit: er, what's the impact of setting that flag to "m", apart from that it enables the debug parameter for loading that module. where do debug symbols come into it? |
| 23:34.45 | abrotman | Miesco: google "configure cups linux" |
| 23:34.50 | abrotman | antgel: which kernel do you have now? |
| 23:34.59 | Miesco | abrotman: Oh I think its working |
| 23:35.14 | antgel | abrotman: HI! LONG TIME! 3.0.0-1-amd64. |
| 23:35.20 | antgel | ah, can i just install linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64-dbg? |
| 23:35.21 | seb82 | i cant boot my system as im stuck at initramfs |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | antgel: oh ... i won't suggest you get a newer kernel :) |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 23:35.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny4) |
| 23:35.30 | streuner_ | Miesco: localhost:631 |
| 23:35.35 | abrotman | antgel: that would seem .. reasonable |
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| 23:35.56 | antgel | right, i only just saw the -dbg package. QUESTION VOID ;) |
| 23:35.57 | Miesco | lpoptions |
| 23:36.01 | Miesco | sorry |
| 23:36.03 | antgel | abrotman: shana tova, how are things? |
| 23:36.17 | streuner_ | Miesco: but first install cups, thats we told you before |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | antgel: new job, new place, in the city .. could be worse i suppose |
| 23:36.34 | abrotman | antgel: and happy new year to you too :) |
| 23:36.51 | antgel | abrotman: enjoy, all sounds very exciting. all good in my hood :) |
| 23:37.10 | streuner_ | antgel: LTNS |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | Seems that way lately anyway .. |
| 23:37.41 | antgel | got to debug this thing, been living with it for so long, now just had enough of unplugging and replugging to get another 5 minutes connectivity |
| 23:37.53 | Miesco | streuner_: I have cups installed |
| 23:38.04 | abrotman | Miesco: you have to *configure* it .. jesus |
| 23:38.08 | antgel | streuner_: hi :) yes, very long time. i just don't have time to help out much, so i try not to ask either ;) |
| 23:38.12 | streuner_ | Miesco: good, so just run localhost:631 in your browser |
| 23:38.15 | abrotman | antgel: yeah, my wifi bugs sometimes ... |
| 23:39.05 | antgel | i had an irssi session running in screen on an offsite server for years but decommissioned the server. looking to move on with the career, after so long freelancing, so i don't need the server for my clients |
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| 23:39.14 | Miesco | streuner_: I did, Im gunna try a different driver |
| 23:39.49 | antgel | abrotman: sometimes? the funny thing is that in newer kernels, it seems to be even worse than it was to start with. whereas my laptop with the iwl3945 is rock solid with the same router |
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| 23:40.04 | streuner_ | Miesco: hm, just visit linuxprinting.org or such, they have tips and tric about printers in Linux |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | antgel: you sure it's not the USB bus? |
| 23:40.49 | antgel | abrotman: *blink* |
| 23:41.09 | antgel | of *course* i'm not sure :) but all the other devices seem to work okay and there's *nothing* in the syslog |
| 23:41.18 | abrotman | oh okay :) |
| 23:41.29 | abrotman | makes up more funny questions |
| 23:41.32 | antgel | unless you mean some sort of hanging interrupt-type low-level conflict |
| 23:41.36 | antgel | nothing changed then :P |
| 23:42.05 | abrotman | antgel: do you get driver errors in the syslog? |
| 23:42.35 | antgel | abrotman: no, it all looks fine. just seems to hang. and i consistently need to replug the dongle *twice* |
| 23:42.52 | antgel | this is why i wanted some debug info ;) |
| 23:43.16 | abrotman | antgel: any n-m involved? |
| 23:43.24 | antgel | abrotman: wpasupplicant |
| 23:43.29 | antgel | (with WPA) |
| 23:43.39 | abrotman | takes that as a no ... |
| 23:43.44 | antgel | *nod* |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | and you've tried another USB device? |
| 23:44.30 | antgel | abrotman: loads of other usb devices on this machine, but i don't have another with the same hardware if that's what you're asking |
| 23:44.38 | antgel | remembers the painful truth |
| 23:44.51 | antgel | on the rare occasions when i boot into XP, it all works fine :( |
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| 23:45.37 | streuner_ | XP, oh good lord, you spend too much time on crappy OSs :-P |
| 23:45.38 | Miesco | Does cups use lpr command? |
| 23:45.42 | Miesco | and lpq? |
| 23:45.50 | streuner_ | Miesco: lpr, if needed |
| 23:46.00 | Miesco | lp works, lpr doesn't |
| 23:46.07 | streuner_ | cups-bsd |
| 23:46.21 | antgel | streuner_: it's a rare occasion indeed, but i cannot lie, the crappy OS driver for this crappy wifi dongle is far superior |
| 23:46.24 | streuner_ | might has a different name, not sure |
| 23:46.50 | streuner_ | antgel: time to get something which is better supported |
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| 23:48.05 | streuner_ | dpkg, info cups-bsd |
| 23:48.18 | dpkg | cups-bsd: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD commands), section net, is extra. Version: 1.5.0-8 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 147 kB |
| 23:48.29 | streuner_ | Miesco: ^^^ |
| 23:48.30 | antgel | streuner_: bit difficult. i live in .il at the moment and whilst it's not the backward camel-dominated experience some seem to think, there's certainly less consumer choice. i suppose i could buy online |
| 23:48.59 | antgel | but the problem is that when one goes online, anything with a driver *looks* well supported |
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| 23:49.36 | antgel | there's nothing saying that the TP-Link TL-WN322G or whatever hangs |
| 23:50.01 | antgel | maybe i should take it up with LKML but i've never had good responses on that (very high-traffic) list |
| 23:50.40 | antgel | if someone can point me to a reliable USB WiFi dongle that works well with current kernels and is available from amazon, i'll buy it now (and be very thankful) |
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| 23:51.23 | antgel | even abrotman has wifi problems and he's a linux guru! :P |
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| 23:52.07 | streuner_ | sticks his Huawei USB dongie into the machine |
| 23:52.28 | streuner_ | Bus 002 Device 021: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E230/E270/E870 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem |
| 23:52.31 | tharkun | PerfDave: I couldn't find any kind of support. and replacing lpr on a printing server is not something i trust dell to maintain. So Do you want a cheap DL1130n with no use :D |
| 23:52.31 | AimHere | My netgear wg111v3 has always worked, once I upgraded the kernel beyond 2.6.26 or so |
| 23:53.05 | antgel | streuner_, AimHere: reliable? |
| 23:53.06 | streuner_ | antgel: E220 works just fine here |
| 23:53.19 | AimHere | "always worked" means I've never had it fail yet |
| 23:53.29 | AimHere | Had it over a year |
| 23:53.30 | streuner_ | antgel: sometimes a bitch to work vs. OSX, but it works |
| 23:54.24 | streuner_ | antgel: i got connection problems, it might a problem, but usually i get it to work |
| 23:54.36 | antgel | just went down again, but i saw messages in here. too weird. can't even ping my router. :-S |
| 23:54.44 | streuner_ | antgel: via wvdial and newer kernels |
| 23:54.51 | antgel | if you read this i'm in the twilight zone |
| 23:55.08 | antgel | 33 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 31999ms |
| 23:55.40 | streuner_ | antgel: E220 isnt very new, but it works, you should be able to get it second hand at least... |
| 23:56.25 | antgel | and now pinging has returned |
| 23:56.36 | Miesco | How do I set my default print command to 'lp'? |
| 23:56.40 | antgel | 91 packets transmitted, 20 received, 78% packet loss, time 90023ms |
| 23:56.58 | antgel | streuner_: thanks to you and AimHere for the tips, i'll try to pick one up. maybe ebay |
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| 23:57.54 | qwd | Will Iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net work on PowerPC? |
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| 23:59.41 | streuner_ | Miesco: there is no need to do that, after you installed cups-bsd |