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| 00:00.49 | cardamon | ...why is the testing support channel on another server? |
| 00:00.53 | streuner_ | Miesco: after you configured cups and have cups-bsd installed, for example acroread is able to print then |
| 00:01.22 | antgel | streuner_: er, i was looking for a wifi dongle, not 3G :) |
| 00:01.48 | streuner_ | antgel: sorry, 3D? :-) |
| 00:01.56 | streuner_ | hm, 3G |
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| 00:02.34 | streuner_ | cardamon: well, just visit #debian-next on OFTC and ask there? |
| 00:03.34 | cardamon | streuner_: Working on it, but I never remember the command line to make irssi join another server using ssl and port 7000 |
| 00:03.44 | cardamon | streuner_: :P |
| 00:03.47 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 00:04.34 | cardamon | Campus network apparently blocks the typical 6000 block of ports for irc. |
| 00:04.54 | cardamon | I can get around on freenode by using SSL on port 7000. |
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| 00:06.54 | antgel | love that PREEMPT_RT kernels are being built and uploaded :) |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | cardamon: you can ask about testing in here also |
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| 00:07.54 | cardamon | Well, if you're willing...I'm wondering if anyone else had NetworkManger break after a recent update. |
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| 00:08.56 | streuner_ | cardamon: what does BTS say about? |
| 00:09.04 | cardamon | I just moved everything from stable to testing and now NetworkManager/nm-applet won't allow me to alter stored networks, including adding open networks or storing keys for WPA or WEP secured ones. |
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| 00:09.40 | antgel | poisonbit: now i see the size of a -dbg kernel, i understand where you were coming from ;) |
| 00:09.58 | abrotman | cardamon: is your system fully up to date? |
| 00:10.02 | cardamon | I'm in now only because I told iwconfig to connect manually to the right ssid, but I don't know how to do that for secure networks...and I look auto connecting to stored networks and a tiny little graphic.. |
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| 00:10.55 | cardamon | abrotman: As up to date as apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade gets you. |
| 00:11.09 | cardamon | streuner_: What's BTS? |
| 00:11.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, topicsmite cardamon |
| 00:11.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cardamon. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:12.47 | streuner_ | hm, no BTS mentioned in topic :-) |
| 00:12.54 | streuner_ | dpkg, bts |
| 00:12.55 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 00:13.15 | antgel | dpkg: karma antgel |
| 00:13.16 | dpkg | antgel has karma of 3 |
| 00:13.23 | antgel | long memory that bot |
| 00:13.30 | antgel | 'night all, good to be here :) |
| 00:13.36 | cardamon | Bug Tracking System has fewer characters than dpkg, topicsmite cardamon |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:13.42 | streuner_ | well, BTS isnt in topic, maybe we are in #debian-next? :-P |
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| 00:14.31 | Vimp | hi all |
| 00:14.45 | Vimp | do you know of a cert manager with gui for linux available ? |
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| 00:14.52 | Vimp | similar to kleopatra - the kde app |
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| 00:15.22 | streuner_ | well, why you arent using kleopatra then? |
| 00:15.31 | frozencemetery | qt, presumably. |
| 00:15.40 | Vimp | I'm on suse and can figure out how to install it |
| 00:15.51 | antgel | *snort* |
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| 00:16.02 | Vimp | qt ? |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | Vimp: this is #debian |
| 00:17.00 | Vimp | i know abrotman , i just asked for alternative program |
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| 00:17.43 | abrotman | Vimp: but you're using SuSE? |
| 00:17.54 | Vimp | you know, debian has one of the most full software collections |
| 00:18.05 | Vimp | i just need an alternative software name |
| 00:18.11 | nkuttler | Vimp: Debian |
| 00:18.23 | Vimp | i suppose it does not matter what I'm using |
| 00:18.25 | streuner_ | Vimp: how about google? |
| 00:18.29 | antgel | permasunday indeed |
| 00:18.47 | abrotman | Vimp: ask #suse, or search freshmeat .. nothing to do with Debian .. have a nice day |
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| 00:22.12 | nutron | YahbutIrunfedoraY |
| 00:22.22 | nutron | grr :/ sorry |
| 00:22.42 | nutron | Good joke gone bad. |
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| 00:25.37 | xploit1975 | algun programa para controlar al ancho de banda con debian? |
| 00:25.52 | streuner_ | xploit1975: english please |
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| 00:26.34 | streuner_ | !es |
| 00:26.34 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 00:27.07 | xploit1975 | ok gracias!! |
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| 00:35.56 | qwd | I'm installing Debian on a Powerbook G4 and it asks me something about yaboot and Apple-Bootstrap, saying I need an HFS partition and it's not found. Is this only for dual boot or do I have to do this? |
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| 00:36.22 | nkuttler | !tell qwd about ppc |
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| 00:37.10 | qwd | nkuttler: Thanks! |
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| 02:18.09 | daedhel | hi |
| 02:18.11 | daedhel | é |
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| 02:18.40 | daedhel | I want to start X with the command "startx" and my ~.xinitrc |
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| 02:19.03 | daedhel | but doing that prevents me from using nm-applet |
| 02:19.09 | daedhel | it says I don't have the rights |
| 02:19.12 | npx | Squeeze is SOOO good. I always feel compelled to come in here and say so. It's that good. Really. |
| 02:19.24 | daedhel | and also other things are borked, like automounting |
| 02:19.26 | daedhel | and such |
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| 02:20.47 | abrotman | daedhel: so use gdm or something instead? |
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| 02:20.56 | abrotman | npx: tell your friends! |
| 02:22.29 | Yotsubato | hi |
| 02:22.32 | Yotsubato | question: |
| 02:22.35 | markc1 | I am trying to install the nvidia drivers after install. It crashed after kernel update. |
| 02:22.53 | Yotsubato | which would be the best place to find an open source project I could help with? |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | Yotsubato: well, you're in #debian .. http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 02:24.54 | markc1 | I thought there were some instructions here on the robot about installing nvidia drivers. |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 02:25.14 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:25.19 | abrotman | read the wiki link |
| 02:25.30 | daedhel | abrotman: that's not an answer to my problem |
| 02:25.37 | markc1 | Thank you. |
| 02:25.39 | Yotsubato | !abrotman thanks, I will look into it |
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| 02:26.26 | markc1 | abrotman: my video drivers crashed after kernel update |
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| 02:28.29 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have this asx which is a playlist BBC Radio3 and i want to convert it to a regular pls file. is there any special consideration i need to be aware? |
| 02:28.52 | npx | tharkun, I'd just load it up in VLC if I were you |
| 02:29.13 | simonlnu | you could probably save it as pls after ;p |
| 02:29.15 | tharkun | npx: I know, but since this is a headless system i am using mocp |
| 02:29.28 | simonlnu | there's vlx-nox |
| 02:29.35 | simonlnu | vlc* |
| 02:29.49 | tharkun | simonlnu: interesting, let me see if i can fetch it |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | daedhel: right, you have a permissions issues .. figure out the permissions you need and resolve hte issue |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | markc1: i don't use nvidia, nor support it |
| 02:31.13 | simonlnu | no, abrotman has an ancient matrox ;p (j/k) |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | not anymore :) |
| 02:31.51 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 02:32.33 | npx | i'm really happy with the new Intel HD 3000 onboard graphics |
| 02:33.05 | markc1 | abrotman: There was a help thing here for a package that automatically updated the nvidia drivers but I have lost the information regarding it. |
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| 02:33.31 | abrotman | markc1: the bot spit out the URL you need to read .. not sure why you haven't read it yet |
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| 02:34.09 | markc1 | it wasn;t a webpage it was in the bot. I just forgot how to access it. |
| 02:34.28 | markc1 | it geve the instructions here on the screen. |
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| 02:34.46 | abrotman | !nvidia dkms |
| 02:34.46 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | jesus .. it was already on this screen |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | or you could have read the wiki page |
| 02:35.27 | tharkun | !bot abuse |
| 02:35.27 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 02:35.34 | tharkun | :D |
| 02:35.39 | npx | dpkg likes it rough =D |
| 02:35.39 | dpkg | npx: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:35.56 | markc1 | I tried the wiki page stuff. locked the computer up. just like after the kernel update. |
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| 02:36.27 | markc1 | I am not sure if there is a problem but I don't see anything on the web about it. |
| 02:40.09 | markc1 | Computer sucks without 3D support. |
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| 02:41.10 | npx | markc1 i'd help if i had any answers for you... i don't have any systems with nvidia graphics atm =( |
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| 02:45.19 | markc1 | npx: that's cool. |
| 02:46.22 | somiaj | markc1: crashed after a kernel update?? which debian version? |
| 02:47.55 | markc1 | 6 and it did the usual kernel update and crash. I reinstalled 6 and then installed the driver again once again it crashed. |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | usual kenrel update? |
| 02:48.36 | abrotman | if you installed the kernel and driver properly, that wouldn't happen |
| 02:50.27 | markc1 | I dont' know. all I know is This computer has been running on the previous from the install but last week there was a kernel update and crash. |
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| 02:52.04 | markc1 | Got to go for a moment. Pick up my daughter from school. |
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| 02:55.19 | daedhel | abrotman: a "permission issue" |
| 02:55.21 | daedhel | hm |
| 02:55.24 | daedhel | yeah |
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| 03:03.24 | un214 | it seems so often I can't hibernate after updates |
| 03:03.41 | hedgeinfog | What happened to fglrx's suppot in Wheezy recently? I keep on getting 'Failed to load module "fglrx" ' in the logs |
| 03:04.12 | hedgeinfog | Packaged like fglrx-driver seem to have become obsolute |
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| 03:04.37 | hedgeinfog | The only messages I've found on google are all like this: http://osdir.com/ml/general/2011-06/msg43258.html |
| 03:05.37 | hedgeinfog | Shohould I redefine some symbolic link? |
| 03:05.56 | hedgeinfog | I'm sure I'm not the only one having that problem |
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| 03:06.53 | hedgeinfog | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/fglrx-driver <-- doesn't look very promising |
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| 03:15.47 | hedgeinfog | anyone alive? |
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| 03:17.11 | zeroproximity1 | can you install debian sid on a hp touchpad |
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| 03:20.16 | hedgeinfog | Is anyone using fglrx on `newest` wheeze this very minute? |
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| 03:26.50 | simonlnu | i've never used fglrx |
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| 03:36.06 | OldParr | can i set the system to automatically update any package? |
| 03:36.25 | V1psta | google? |
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| 03:42.42 | abrotman | judd: info cron-apt --release squeeze |
| 03:42.44 | judd | Package cron-apt (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: automatic update of packages using apt-get. Version: 0.8.2; Size: 26.4k; Installed: 96k |
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| 03:46.29 | lunar | boggles at 1,036 users |
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| 03:52.22 | CrazyGir | hi! I'm trying to update iceweasel on my squeeze stable laptop, to the current ff7 release. I've been following along here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 03:52.52 | CrazyGir | I've updated my sources list, and run aptitude update, but I don't see the new mozilla.debian.net mirrors |
| 03:53.09 | CrazyGir | have I missed / overlooked another step? |
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| 03:53.36 | abrotman | does it reference it when you update? |
| 03:53.39 | CrazyGir | ah! apt-get gives real info |
| 03:53.47 | CrazyGir | N: Ignoring file 'mozilla' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension |
| 03:53.49 | linux2 | I'm trying to get the nvidia modules to work on a fresh install of debian testing. For some reason after installing nvidia-kernel-dkms, which installed successfully, when I try to load the KDM I get this error: |
| 03:54.13 | CrazyGir | I guess I'm forced into foo.list? |
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| 03:54.17 | linux2 | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 03:54.56 | abrotman | CrazyGir: that should work |
| 03:55.20 | CrazyGir | nods |
| 03:55.22 | linux2 | I have the nvidia-glx package installed as well. The nvidia module loads without any issues if I do modprobe nvidia |
| 03:56.09 | CrazyGir | what's the difference between aptitude update and apt-get update |
| 03:57.03 | abrotman | just the output |
| 03:57.18 | CrazyGir | mmm |
| 03:58.04 | CrazyGir | wow, that was surprisingly easy |
| 03:58.23 | CrazyGir | I've been very impressed with how debian/etc have improved in terms of simplicity/usability |
| 03:58.37 | CrazyGir | things that used to be really difficult to setup (like buttons on your laptop) Just Work |
| 03:59.02 | CrazyGir | I haven't been using debian much the last 6+ years, only really ubuntu/xubuntu for my linux experieence |
| 04:00.03 | lunar | aptitude keeps track of what dependencies are needed after you uninstall something, for one. |
| 04:00.27 | lunar | so that orphans aren't left around. I dunno, maybe apt-get does that now, though. aptitude has a fairly confusing interface if you use if straight-on though. |
| 04:01.03 | CrazyGir | a laptop question: my laptop had a fantastic hibernation setup with windows. this was/is a big feature, I actually tried tried xubuntu on this laptop, but hibernation completely failed. I was surprised, but this Just Worked in debian ;) |
| 04:01.27 | CrazyGir | my question: the hibernation setup in debian seems mysterious.. how does it work? |
| 04:01.40 | CrazyGir | it has worked all on its own for me, then failed |
| 04:01.48 | CrazyGir | I think due to space on the filesystem |
| 04:02.17 | CrazyGir | is it possible to configure any aspects of hibernation? |
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| 04:02.37 | lunar | were you using a Live CD for Xubuntu, or did you have it installed? |
| 04:02.43 | CrazyGir | installed |
| 04:02.47 | CrazyGir | twice |
| 04:02.52 | CrazyGir | one two laptops |
| 04:03.02 | CrazyGir | *on |
| 04:03.38 | lunar | Hmm... I'm not sure how hibernation works on Debian (*ubuntu), to be honest. However, I'd think that if it didn't have enough space on the filesystem, that could make it fail. |
| 04:03.53 | CrazyGir | and RE aptitude, thank you for clarifying lunar. I was asking because aptitude was failing due to a specific reason, but (for whatever reason) decided not to warn me |
| 04:03.59 | CrazyGir | where as apt-get did |
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| 04:04.05 | lunar | There should be a file somewhere in /var/log, either messages or one of the daemons, that would list an error, if there were one. |
| 04:04.16 | CrazyGir | mmm |
| 04:04.22 | CrazyGir | I'll have to dig deeper I guess :) |
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| 04:04.43 | lunar | you'd think with 1000 people here, there'd be more response. sorry. ;) |
| 04:04.56 | CrazyGir | no worries, I'll stick around :) |
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| 04:05.29 | tharkun | CrazyGir: hibernation on whatever OS is a complete mistery that is prone to failure :( |
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| 04:06.45 | lunar | my hibernation works pretty well on vista, but I screwed up my MBR something bad with the last Ubuntu on this laptop, not sure why. not using it now. |
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| 04:07.28 | lunar | CrazyGir, it worked before, right? because some machines are really picky about S3, S5 sleep states.... |
| 04:07.53 | CrazyGir | yea, it did work on its own for a bit |
| 04:08.09 | CrazyGir | I think some vms were running and growing (slowly, just logs..) |
| 04:08.27 | gnarface | file->open location (URI) has *never* worked for me in all my years of using GIMP. can anyone perhaps tell me why? maybe i'm missing a package? |
| 04:08.42 | OldParr | what is to fetch a package ? |
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| 04:12.42 | OldParr | gnarface: on my sistem it works |
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| 04:29.32 | Amarande | hmm. is copying a debian installation from an aging hard drive to a new one as simple as installing the second drive somewhere and doing a cp -R from root directory? |
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| 04:29.51 | Amarande | or is that a good way to make things choke when it say tries to copy /proc/kcore or something awful like that? |
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| 04:32.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Amarande: you can do it that way; use rsync and --exclude stuff |
| 04:33.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | can probably find instructions on the 'net. you'll need to worry about udev rules, booting, and possiblely other things |
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| 04:34.32 | Amarande | yeah, the main thing that did occur to me is that I'd need to remember to put grub on THAT drive's MBR |
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| 04:35.14 | Amarande | other than that, it seems like it should be copy it over, make sure grub isn't accidentally configured to think that drive is sdb when it will become sda, remove the old drive & boot |
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| 04:35.43 | Amarande | SMART is telling me that my drive is running hot and that there's been a bad sector. |
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| 04:35.48 | Amarande | which apparently means the drive is aging and in pre-fail conditions. |
| 04:35.56 | Amarande | and I haven't even had it 4 years yet. |
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| 04:48.46 | linux2 | anyone know if it is possible to use the nvidia card in a hybrid nvidia-intel laptop? I can see the nvidia card listed in lspci, but that's about it. |
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| 04:50.01 | unseensoul | I've recently bought an Asus Notebook and the very basic functions of the touchpad seem to work. However, the touchpad is recognised as PS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse in gpointing-device-settings/gsynaptics. How can I solve this? |
| 04:50.02 | gnarface | linux2: should be possible as long as that particular card is supported by a driver. you might need clever xorg.conf changes though |
| 04:50.52 | linux2 | gnarface, well I tried setting the busid option, but that didn't quite do the trick. Any other suggestions? |
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| 04:52.29 | gnarface | linux2: you might need to configure both video cards in xorg.conf in order to be able to define which is the default, i'm not sure about that. which driver are you using for the nvidia card? nv or the binary non-free one? |
| 04:52.38 | gnarface | linux2: or nouveau? |
| 04:52.59 | linux2 | gnarface, I'm using the binary non-free one |
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| 04:55.59 | linux2 | gnarface, what is even weirder about this laptop is that I can't find it listed anywhere that it has hybrid graphics, and the nvidia chipset that lspci reports is different than what the sticker on the laptop indicates |
| 04:56.11 | linux2 | it says it is supposed to have a 540M, but it has a 555M |
| 04:57.18 | gnarface | linux2: that's odd. well i'm sure people in here have had experience with similar laptops. i know that some of those hybrid dual gpu ones *do* work but its usually a p.i.t.a. the first time you do it. unfortunately i've never touched one so i'm not really of much help :( |
| 04:58.08 | gnarface | linux2: by any chance did you buy this laptop used? |
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| 05:00.36 | linux2 | gnarface, nope, brand new. Just exchanged it for another laptop I bought last week that linux couldn't get running on. I hope I don't have to bring this one back as well |
| 05:01.21 | gnarface | linux2: pastebin your lspci? |
| 05:01.32 | gnarface | linux2: and your xorg.conf |
| 05:02.01 | linux2 | k, one sec |
| 05:02.52 | linux2 | gnarface, lspci http://pastebin.com/DkyDeP3D |
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| 05:04.12 | linux2 | and xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/x7uyb5HB |
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| 05:06.45 | gnarface | linux2: and you said setting the pci bus id didn't help? |
| 05:06.56 | gnarface | linux2: that's a pretty sparse xorg.conf |
| 05:07.05 | gnarface | linux2: what does the log say when you try to start X? |
| 05:07.15 | gnarface | linux2: the xorg log that is |
| 05:07.33 | linux2 | well if I do it as is it errors out saying... |
| 05:08.19 | linux2 | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 05:08.47 | gnarface | linux2: pastebin the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 05:10.30 | linux2 | gnarface, http://pastebin.com/uP4YF9FC |
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| 05:11.16 | kandinski | I have just resized the LVM that keeps the /home in a server, and I need to unmount it in order to resize the filesystem too. However, I can't because I am logged in as my user, so lots of processes have /home/kandinski open. |
| 05:12.26 | kandinski | This server has no root login, but I do have sudo. I could just kill all the processes that come out of lsof /dev/mapper/vg-home, but is there a better way of freeing the device? |
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| 05:14.47 | gnarface | linux2: i don't see any errors in there. it appears to be loading the intel driver |
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| 05:16.11 | linux2 | gnarface, yeah, I'll have to kill this and restart X with the other xorg.conf and then come back to see the error |
| 05:16.14 | linux2 | hang on one sec |
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| 05:25.56 | CrazyGir | do you need a kernel module to mount ufs volumes? (OpenBSD) |
| 05:26.36 | wols_ | CrazyGir: grep UFS /boot/config* |
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| 05:34.38 | wols_ | gnarface: usually one needs to set the videocard in BIOS to "discrete" or hope that vga_switcheroo works and you can use that to set what chip to use with a write to a /sys/ file |
| 05:35.10 | CrazyGir | wols_: hrm.. I see it as a module, and can modprobe it, but mount still complains that it does not recognize the disk. I guess OpenBSD's UFS is not seen as ufs |
| 05:35.17 | CrazyGir | or something else is amis |
| 05:35.20 | CrazyGir | *amiss |
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| 05:35.44 | wols_ | !tell CrazyGir about errors |
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| 05:37.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i have a really stupid question but I thought I'd ask... is there away to Emulate a given Mobile Platform on Squeeze? I particularly want to Emulate Android if possible |
| 05:37.33 | CrazyGir | wols_: it's more that I didn't want to waste your time if I could dig a little deeper |
| 05:37.43 | CrazyGir | right now I am not sure that openbsd _really_ is ufs |
| 05:37.52 | Arbition | what? you can't use the android emulator that comes with the SDK Darkelfjuggalo ? |
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| 05:38.05 | wols_ | you could run a chroot. the kernel is the same, but everything up frm there is different, starting with libc. but the debian kernel would lack specific android stuff. and it'd lack the cell phone hardware I guess |
| 05:38.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | i didnt know the emulator came with SDK nor do i know anything about SDK |
| 05:38.24 | wols_ | CrazyGir: fdisk and file help with that |
| 05:38.36 | gnarface | wols_: thanks for the info |
| 05:38.57 | CrazyGir | wols_: sort of: dev/sdc4 * 1 38913 312568641 a6 OpenBSD |
| 05:39.20 | Arbition | Darkelfjuggalo: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html |
| 05:39.23 | wols_ | CrazyGir: and file ? |
| 05:39.33 | Arbition | binary blobs though |
| 05:40.36 | keeperofdakeys | the android sdk updater shoudl be in the package manager, this will allow you to install everything you need |
| 05:41.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok so apt-get install sdk? |
| 05:41.28 | CrazyGir | wols_: on /dev/sdc4, the partition? /dev/sdc4: block special/dev/sdc4: block special |
| 05:41.36 | CrazyGir | oops |
| 05:41.43 | keeperofdakeys | Darkelfjuggalo: you'll need to search for the correck package |
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| 05:42.05 | wols_ | CrazyGir: see man file, it has a -s option |
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| 05:42.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | so apt-cache search sdk? |
| 05:42.24 | Arbition | sdk is a general term |
| 05:42.31 | Arbition | many SDKs will show up |
| 05:42.38 | Arbition | I doubt android would though |
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| 05:43.46 | CrazyGir | wols_: ok, this looks like a nice ufs fs: /dev/sdc4: Unix Fast File system [v1] (little-endian), last mounted on /mnt, last written at Tue Mar 23 10:12:13 2010, clean flag 1, number of blocks 156284320, number of data blocks 153811180, number of cylinder groups 1508, block size 16384, fragment size 2048, minimum percentage of free blocks 5, rotational delay 0ms, disk rotational speed 60rps, TIME optimization |
| 05:43.59 | CrazyGir | wols_: except when trying to mount.. mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 05:44.20 | CrazyGir | or.. with mount -t ufs.. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc4, |
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| 05:45.04 | wols_ | ufs and BSD are different. they don't really use partitions |
| 05:45.07 | wols_ | http://ghantoos.org/2009/04/04/mounting-ufs-in-readwrite-under-linux/ |
| 05:45.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | so i did 'apt-cache search android' and got this http://paste.debian.net/132957/ |
| 05:45.28 | CrazyGir | yea, we slice :) |
| 05:45.46 | Driver | CrazyGir read Documentation/filesystems/ufs.txt |
| 05:45.58 | Driver | in linux source |
| 05:46.11 | CrazyGir | will do! |
| 05:46.54 | Driver | and try mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd |
| 05:47.06 | Driver | 44bsd used in FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD |
| 05:47.06 | Driver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:47.15 | CrazyGir | yep |
| 05:47.45 | Driver | and not mount? |
| 05:48.07 | CrazyGir | no, that works |
| 05:48.20 | CrazyGir | this is my sad disk that lost a partition table or something |
| 05:48.40 | CrazyGir | or the USB enclosure locked up, I forget |
| 05:48.46 | CrazyGir | it's goofed and needs special attention |
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| 05:49.36 | CrazyGir | thanks for the assistance :) |
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| 05:49.44 | CrazyGir | bah! |
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| 05:52.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | If I install the SDK, i'll be any to RUN android apps on my computer, correct? |
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| 05:56.06 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do I unpack a package? |
| 05:56.18 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: why do you want to unpack a package? What are you trying to do? |
| 05:56.38 | wols_ | Darkelfjuggalo: man dpkg. look for "extract" |
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| 05:57.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | the only Android install i can find i had to download the SDK package for it manually, the instructions say to unpack it |
| 05:57.57 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: is it a tar.gz file? |
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| 05:58.35 | Darkelfjuggalo | tgz |
| 05:58.56 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: 'tar xzvf file.tgz' |
| 05:59.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | full file name is android-sdk_r13-linus_x86.tgz |
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| 05:59.58 | Darkelfjuggalo | linux^ |
| 06:00.50 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so use that instead of file.tgz of course. |
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| 06:02.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | there is a compressed folder Android-sdk-linux_x86 in it... |
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| 06:03.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | should I extract the folder? |
| 06:03.13 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: so run the command I gave you to extract it |
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| 06:03.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok extracted |
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| 06:05.29 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I can't tell you how to use it, just realize if you use root to install stuff from tha tpackage int debian and things break you will get little support. |
| 06:05.53 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: my suggestion is hopefully you can run the whole app from within the directory it gave you. (: |
| 06:06.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | from within the original Folder? |
| 06:06.47 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: the one you just extracted. But again I don't know this app, (: |
| 06:08.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok...so not how do i run it...this is my first install that didn't go exclusively through the terminal |
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| 06:09.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | the instructions from teh website On Mac or Linux, open a terminal and navigate to the tools/ directory in the Android SDK, then execute:android |
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| 06:10.00 | wols_ | and what's the problem with that instruction? |
| 06:10.03 | Darkelfjuggalo | how do i navigate to the directory? |
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| 06:10.14 | wols_ | by using "ls" and "cd" |
| 06:10.49 | wols_ | or you use your filemanage (nautilus? thunar) to navigate through the directories if you are in X |
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| 06:11.13 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok... ok confusing me |
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| 06:13.35 | alfadir | keyboard is not working in X. happend on an upgrade, tested now my second keyboard. KeyPressed events are not generated. works in console. is there a easy way to "reset" the xorg chain ? works on my sid laptop and this is a sid desktop.. reinstall all relevant config files. |
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| 06:14.34 | wols_ | have you compared you laptop and your desktop X logs? |
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| 06:16.04 | somiaj_ | alfadir: there was some issue where xorg started ignoring keyboard devices configured in a xorg.conf file unless you told it not to. What did you upgrade from and to? Also this will clearly be told to you in your xorg.log |
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| 06:21.02 | ac_slater | hey everyone... I have adjusted my $PATH for some nontypical executables ... I can access those bins using tab completetion or other methods ... but `whereis` isnt reporting finding the binaries... but `which` does. I believe I need `whereis` to report that it can find the binary |
| 06:21.06 | ac_slater | any help? |
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| 06:21.55 | wols_ | ac_slater: please use man whereis and read it |
| 06:21.56 | alfadir | somiaj_: hmm.. well the keyboards get registerd via the xinput new thingy.. |
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| 06:22.15 | alfadir | key events like alt key works but no keypress for keys |
| 06:22.23 | alfadir | xev does not show them |
| 06:22.28 | alfadir | but evdevtest does |
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| 06:22.39 | ac_slater | wols_: thank you |
| 06:22.42 | somiaj_ | alfadir: oh that is a bit more bizarre, have you read the the log to see if there are any issues? |
| 06:23.25 | ac_slater | wols_: what does it REALLY mean if a binary isnt reported my `whereis` |
| 06:23.31 | alfadir | somiaj_: yes. have used debian for a long time.. seems like something is broken in the combination with the new xinput |
| 06:23.50 | wols_ | ac_slater: have you read the manpage yet? it's not long... |
| 06:23.52 | alfadir | an old sid installation and can be some old cruft that disturbs somehow |
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| 06:24.04 | alfadir | works well on new sid laptop... |
| 06:24.04 | ac_slater | wols_: yea I've read it |
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| 06:24.11 | wols_ | and what did it say? |
| 06:24.48 | wols_ | e.g. noticed any bugs? |
| 06:24.52 | ac_slater | well, something I noticed "whereis has a hard-coded path, so may not always find what you are looking for" |
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| 06:25.02 | ac_slater | haha yea. |
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| 06:25.27 | wols_ | afaik, tab complete should work via $PATH tho |
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| 06:26.18 | alfadir | thought it was my g15 acting up as i was using it with the g15 deamon.. but bought a cheap usb thing. same problem |
| 06:27.05 | nixmaniack | how do i send desktop notification from cron?? |
| 06:27.15 | ac_slater | My issue is ... i have /usr/local/mpich2/bin added to my $PATH via bashrc ... and they target binaries run fine, but calling, say, /usr/local/mpich2/bin/mpiexec relies on /usr/local/mpich2/bin/hydra* ... but without running the mpiexec bin from within its bin directory, it cant find the hydra bins |
| 06:27.20 | ac_slater | (sorry for the length) |
| 06:28.18 | ac_slater | and my only guess is that it might have something to do with not being reported by `whereis` ... which means other bins cant find it |
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| 06:32.21 | Bushmills | nixmaniack: run cronjob as user which runs the desktop, and set DISPLAY variable |
| 06:32.56 | ac_slater | and nvm ... i solved it |
| 06:33.27 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, * * * * * nixmaniack DISPLAY=:0.0 notify-send "hello" ??? |
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| 06:34.29 | Bushmills | maybe. i'd probably put it in a script, which gets called from crontab, and i's not put it into system crontab, but in user crontab instead |
| 06:34.35 | Bushmills | i'd, even |
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| 06:37.38 | nixmaniack | '* * * * * /home/nixmaniack/notify.sh' i did this, but not getting notification |
| 06:37.43 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, ^^ |
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| 06:38.13 | Bushmills | then you might want to find out why you don't |
| 06:38.32 | nixmaniack | but if i run notify.sh I get notification |
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| 06:38.54 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, how to debug? |
| 06:39.35 | Bushmills | check whether script gets executed |
| 06:39.51 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, where to check that? |
| 06:40.12 | Bushmills | you put something into script which tells you. like touch /tmp/foo |
| 06:40.36 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, okay.. i'll try that |
| 06:42.32 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, it got executed |
| 06:42.45 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, but not working for notification |
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| 06:55.45 | nixmaniack | Bushmills, got it working :) just export DISPLAY=:0 in script |
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| 07:18.36 | hanibana | hi. I want the newly-created user's home direcotry not be readable for others; ie. rwxr-x--- ; Is there any configuration for this? |
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| 07:20.59 | somiaj_ | hanibana: from the adduser man page -- If the file /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local exists , it will be executed after the user account has been set up in order to do any local setup. |
| 07:21.28 | somiaj_ | hanibana: so you can set up a script that will chmod that directory (didn't see any other way to change the default mask to create the directory) |
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| 07:22.12 | jelly-home | hanibana: /etc/adduser.conf if you use adduser |
| 07:22.21 | hanibana | somiaj_: thanks. so nice solution. its more general. |
| 07:23.10 | somiaj_ | hanibana: look at the .conf file as well, and /etc/skel (that script seems to only get run for adding normal users so it wont' mess with --system users installed by debian). |
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| 07:24.37 | jelly-home | there's a config item for EXACTLY THAT FEATURE |
| 07:24.51 | jelly-home | no need to mess with anything else |
| 07:25.00 | wols_ | and it has been standard for several releases now, no? |
| 07:25.13 | jelly-home | dunno |
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| 07:28.26 | jelly-home | hanibana: which Debian release are you using |
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| 07:29.08 | hanibana | jelly-home: actually ubuntu... but I remembered I had this issue with debian too. |
| 07:29.21 | jelly-home | le sigh |
| 07:29.56 | gnarface | that makes me feel betrayed, and i was only reading it |
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| 07:30.12 | jelly-home | nyeh nyeh! |
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| 07:31.39 | hanibana | I have a bunch of Squeeze systems guys! it's just a client station. Sorry for that. |
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| 07:33.01 | jelly-home | realize advice optimal for Debian may not be optimal for a derivative distro |
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| 07:33.38 | jelly-home | even if it works |
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| 07:54.56 | aminpy | I installed debian in my MacBook Pro 8,3 (core i7), when I install openerp modules this process is very very very slow!! how can I find or fix this problem? |
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| 07:56.02 | streuner_ | What is "very very very slow"? |
| 07:56.35 | aminpy | strayer1, I installed openerp's modules in 1 minute before with core i 3 system |
| 07:56.39 | aminpy | streuner_, ^ |
| 07:56.41 | streuner_ | on laptops its usually a HD issue |
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| 07:56.55 | aminpy | streuner_, now 10 minute |
| 07:57.33 | aminpy | streuner_, can you help me to find this problem and solve it? |
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| 07:58.22 | aminpy | I search it in google but I didn't find anything! |
| 07:59.18 | gnarface | aminpy: there is a debian-ppc channel i believe. perhaps you should ask there? |
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| 07:59.29 | seb82 | hey all |
| 07:59.39 | somiaj_ | gnarface: for a core i7? |
| 07:59.55 | gnarface | oh |
| 07:59.58 | gnarface | i missed that part |
| 08:00.07 | gnarface | nevermind aminpy |
| 08:00.15 | streuner_ | aminpy: try a harddisk benchmark tool |
| 08:00.46 | wols_ | aminpy: "slow" in what way? |
| 08:00.58 | streuner_ | aminpy: hdparm |
| 08:01.02 | seb82 | I got an debian environment on an external disk... it boots fine, until only see a black screen with a flashing indicator... the system works because I can login, I tried and reboot the system... but I have no further visual... the system works fine via chroot but as soon as I reboot into it... until halfway boot the screen goes blank but the indicator moves though |
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| 08:01.31 | streuner_ | aminpy: is DMA enabled? |
| 08:01.47 | aminpy | streuner_, I don't know :( |
| 08:01.59 | streuner_ | aminpy: hdparm should tell you... |
| 08:02.15 | wols_ | seb82: more info needed: when is the screen going blank exactly? |
| 08:02.23 | wols_ | what is the last text you can see |
| 08:03.01 | seb82 | if you give me a minute I'll hook it to another pc I'm refurbishing |
| 08:03.11 | aminpy | streuner_, hdparm with which switch? |
| 08:03.26 | streuner_ | aminpy: man hdparm |
| 08:03.43 | streuner_ | aminpy: but be careful |
| 08:03.44 | petern__ | -i |
| 08:03.58 | petern__ | hdparm is crippled now that libata is used |
| 08:05.00 | jeybop | hi |
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| 08:05.11 | jeybop | I have an issue with my sound card |
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| 08:05.32 | jeybop | since this morning, it makes sound, event if I mute it |
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| 08:05.42 | jeybop | I don't know where to search |
| 08:05.52 | jeybop | and I would prefer not reboot |
| 08:06.09 | jeybop | what would be a temporary solution to diable it |
| 08:06.13 | somiaj | jeybop: how do you mute the card? |
| 08:06.56 | jeybop | with gnome-sound-controlelr |
| 08:07.01 | wols_ | jeybop: and how many soundcards do you have in your system? |
| 08:07.07 | jeybop | one |
| 08:07.15 | somiaj | jeybop: cat /proc/asound/cards (to make sure) |
| 08:07.26 | somiaj | jeybop: also can you mute it with alsamixer? |
| 08:07.35 | jeybop | I think it is a material problem, because it makes noise even with the headers pluged |
| 08:07.44 | petern__ | that can happen if the volume control is emulated in software, and a program talks to the hardware instead, bypassing the control |
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| 08:08.28 | jeybop | not better with alsamixer |
| 08:08.30 | somiaj | jeybop: is it the Intel HDA driver, many times you have to set the model= correct to the laptop or there can be bizarre effects |
| 08:08.46 | jeybop | it is |
| 08:08.56 | jeybop | where can I set the model= |
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| 08:10.48 | somiaj | jeybop: in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf need to have a line like 'options snd-hda-intel model=' (I forget the list to look them up but google might give you it based on your laptop model) |
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| 08:14.06 | daedeloth | is there a way to check if dri is enabled? |
| 08:14.16 | somiaj | daedeloth: glxinfo |
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| 08:15.09 | daedeloth | alright, what happens if I turn direct rendering off? |
| 08:16.03 | jeybop | somiaj, thanks for the hint, I found an HowTo, but event after an alsa force-reload, there's still noise |
| 08:16.06 | somiaj | mostly the ability to run 3d games/apps |
| 08:16.41 | wols_ | daedeloth: what videocard chip? |
| 08:16.44 | somiaj | jeybop: manually remove the snd-hda-intel module with rmmod and modprobe |
| 08:16.57 | daedeloth | 2x nvidia GTS250 |
| 08:17.03 | daedeloth | very, very buggy. |
| 08:17.30 | somiaj | jeybop: then check dmesg see any of its loading messages. |
| 08:18.02 | wols_ | daedeloth: nvidia drivers not good? |
| 08:18.24 | jeybop | somiaj, arh... maybe I am just dumb... it could be the fan, and not the speacker (there are close each other) |
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| 08:18.50 | daedeloth | no idea, I just know that my computer is nearly unresponsive and that xorg seems to ignore my gpu's and just do everything on the cpu |
| 08:19.05 | inc0 | hi, I have id_rsa and id_rsa.pub from other debian |
| 08:19.16 | inc0 | I've put them into ~/.ssh/ |
| 08:19.23 | inc0 | but doesnt seem to work any more |
| 08:19.30 | inc0 | any way to get them working? |
| 08:19.40 | jeybop | somiaj, anyway thanks |
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| 08:20.31 | seb82 | wols_, it's to fast to see... |
| 08:20.37 | seb82 | i'll try again |
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| 08:21.17 | daedeloth | hm, maybe I should try the nouveau driver |
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| 08:24.47 | wols_ | seb82: you see where it is: init script, kernel messages, mounting of /, etc |
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| 08:25.54 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: then you aren't using the nvidia driver at all probably. how have you installed the drivers? |
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| 08:26.17 | daemonkeeper | He left :> |
| 08:26.28 | wols_ | good thing you stayed :P |
| 08:26.34 | daemonkeeper | Welcome |
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| 08:29.56 | seb82 | wols_ last thing I was able to see is something about speaker... |
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| 08:33.44 | wols_ | seb82: what does your grub.cfg say then? |
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| 08:34.27 | seb82 | i'll look into it... just sec... |
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| 08:34.39 | seb82 | btw the indicator is on the bottom of the screen... |
| 08:34.46 | wols_ | it sound like kernel image and initrd are loaded and then you get a problem |
| 08:35.01 | wols_ | "speaker" being the pcspkr module, right? |
| 08:36.27 | daedelson | does anyone know how to disable direct rendering? |
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| 08:36.48 | seb82 | wols_ there is none |
| 08:37.07 | seb82 | i have to load them manually vmlinuz and initrd.img |
| 08:37.22 | petern__ | daedelson, are you using nouveau? |
| 08:37.32 | daedelson | no, just tried, didn't do much |
| 08:37.39 | daedelson | so now I'm back to nvidia |
| 08:38.01 | petern__ | did you install the nvidia drivers the 'debian way'? |
| 08:38.54 | daedelson | yea |
| 08:39.08 | daedelson | just apt-get install |
| 08:39.21 | seb82 | wols_ last thing I can see is several "yenta: " but that's it.. |
| 08:39.22 | petern__ | and "glxinfo | grep vendor" lists NVIDIA Corporation? |
| 08:39.43 | daedelson | yep |
| 08:39.48 | petern__ | ok |
| 08:39.53 | petern__ | nvidia's drivers don't use DRI |
| 08:39.59 | petern__ | so you can't turn it off |
| 08:40.03 | daedelson | aha |
| 08:40.09 | daedelson | that makes me sound stupid indeed :) |
| 08:40.25 | daedelson | so, well, all I want is a simple 2d gnome that runs smoothly :) |
| 08:40.26 | petern__ | lack of knowledge isn't the same as stupid |
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| 08:41.56 | daedelson | hm I've set the nvidia option noaccel to true and that seems to make it better |
| 08:42.13 | daedelson | although, not sure about that, xorg is still using 30% cpu |
| 08:42.17 | eni23 | hello at all. i want to run my own gpg-keyserver on squeeze is this possible and not too hard to maintain? which software i should use? |
| 08:42.25 | daedelson | what's the normal cpu usage for xorg? |
| 08:42.55 | petern__ | minimal |
| 08:43.12 | somiaj | daedelson: less than 1% here |
| 08:43.52 | daedelson | alright so I still have a few problems |
| 08:44.03 | daedelson | might it help to install the latest nvidia driver manually? |
| 08:44.17 | somiaj | daedelson: how have you installed it in the first place? |
| 08:44.31 | daedelson | apt-get install nvidia-glx :) |
| 08:44.51 | daedelson | (I'm running testing, on debian stable I wasn't able to get my setup working in the first place) |
| 08:45.00 | somiaj | daedelson: did it install the nvidia-dkms package as well? |
| 08:45.10 | somiaj | you are running testing packages on debain stable...that is your problem. do not mix |
| 08:45.38 | PerfDave | eni23: I'm guessing that if you have to ask, you probably don't want to do this. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 08:45.46 | daedelson | hm, I dist-upgraded, so I think everything got updated, no? |
| 08:46.30 | somiaj | daedelson: oh so you are running testing? did you install the nvidia-dkms package and have the nvidia module loaded (check dmesg) |
| 08:46.48 | petern__ | does installing nvidia-glx pull in the kernel drivers too? can't remember |
| 08:46.53 | daedelson | well I installed stable and then dist-upgraded |
| 08:46.55 | petern__ | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 08:46.58 | daedelson | I can't find a nvidia-dkms package |
| 08:47.06 | petern__ | nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 08:47.14 | somiaj | sorry yea, thanks petern__ |
| 08:47.22 | seb82 | while in grub> is there a possibility to use more or something similiar? or even an editor like nano? |
| 08:47.25 | petern__ | but i don't think it works without it |
| 08:47.29 | daedelson | yea, is installed |
| 08:47.36 | daedelson | lsmod gives |
| 08:47.45 | daedelson | an nvidia module yea |
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| 08:49.03 | daedelson | but to be honest I don't think it's the driver |
| 08:49.06 | somiaj | daedelson: anything in dmesg or the xlog (also check the bts) |
| 08:49.17 | daedelson | what's bts? |
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| 08:50.10 | eni23 | PerfDave: its more interest and paranoia. i want to setup my own hkp-server for bringing pubkeys to some persons. now im using pgp.mit.edu but would be nice to have something on my own |
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| 08:51.07 | daedeloth | http://daedeloth.dyndns.org/dmesg |
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| 08:51.14 | daedeloth | I'm not sure what to look for |
| 08:51.32 | somiaj | daedelson: bugs.debian.org (bug tracking system) |
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| 08:52.13 | daedeloth | I should report it? |
| 08:52.37 | somiaj | unless you can figure out what package its related to, but maybe its already been reported. Its a place to look for info |
| 08:53.10 | eni23 | i know it would be much easyer to just publish pubkeys on a website but would be sweet (we change keys every 3 weeks so not cool to use public servers because they wont delete old keys) |
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| 08:55.14 | daedeloth | should I file it under xserver-xorg? |
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| 08:56.15 | somiaj | daedelson: I don't think its xorg, I would look for bugs of the nvidia package, my guess is its more related to that. Not sure why its not liking your card though, anything in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:57.15 | petern__ | NVRM: Xid (0000:04:00): 54 certainly indicates a problem |
| 08:57.18 | petern__ | no ide what though |
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| 08:57.30 | daedeloth | http://daedeloth.dyndns.org/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:57.38 | wols_ | daedeloth: can you show us the Xorg.0.log ? |
| 08:57.40 | d3xter | hey |
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| 08:58.21 | seb82 | hey d3xter |
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| 08:58.42 | daedeloth | [ 4560.158] (WW) NVIDIA: The Composite and Xinerama extensions are both enabled, which |
| 08:58.43 | petern__ | xinerama may be the problem |
| 08:59.10 | d3xter | i'm trying to install gnome3 from experimental, but it has dependency's which aren't going be installed. apt-pinning doesn't seem to work too |
| 08:59.33 | nkuttler | !tell d3xter about experimental |
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| 09:00.20 | daedelson | yea, I think xinerama + 2 video cards causes the problem |
| 09:00.29 | daedelson | but a triple head without xinerama is quite ... useless |
| 09:00.33 | wols_ | d3xter: which debian do you run? |
| 09:00.44 | d3xter | nkuttler: i know that experimental is highly unstable :) and i dont mind breaking the system |
| 09:00.51 | d3xter | wols_: testing at the moment |
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| 09:01.05 | seb82 | d3xter, take my advice... download a recent fedora live and test it on there... |
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| 09:02.29 | daedelson | well even without xinerama xorg is using a lot of cpu resourcse |
| 09:03.26 | daedelson | but well without xinerama it's at least responsive |
| 09:03.49 | daedelson | alright give me a tip, what video card should I buy for a triple (or 4-screen) setup? :) |
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| 09:04.43 | d3xter | strange thing is, "apt-get install" says e.g. gnome-core isn't going to be installed, but "apt-cache policy" says the opposite |
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| 09:05.21 | daedeloth | never mind, even without xinerama xorg only manages to show one letter per second or so |
| 09:06.09 | daedeloth | is 64bit still an issue in this modern day of age? |
| 09:06.22 | petern__ | nope |
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| 09:07.46 | Dramaturg_ | Hello, I have a problem - I am running debian on a server- he crashed (power supply) and I put the old SATA harddrive in a total different PC - debian started but I can not start any interface (It says Ignoring unknown interface). Any advice? |
| 09:07.54 | keeperofdakeys | daedeloth: definitely not, I would say 32 bit should be used only as a last resort |
| 09:08.12 | daedeloth | I guess it sounds quite like this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642757&archived=False&mbox=no |
| 09:11.40 | wols_ | Dramaturg_: interface as in ethernet or wlan |
| 09:11.42 | wols_ | Dramaturg_: ? |
| 09:12.10 | Sc0rian | i got a debian box that keeps killing other boxes... this is in my messages log http://pastie.org/2610085 what could be the cause |
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| 09:12.52 | wols_ | Sc0rian: your cluster fs crashes? |
| 09:13.13 | Sc0rian | yeah, i have 4 servers, but its only this one that does this |
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| 09:13.32 | wols_ | check what path makes it crash maybe? |
| 09:13.41 | Sc0rian | when it does it, it tends to knocks out the cluster system |
| 09:13.46 | wols_ | or use the system image from the other boxes on this one if they work better |
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| 09:13.56 | Sc0rian | they are exact same boxes |
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| 09:13.59 | Sc0rian | check the path? |
| 09:14.21 | wols_ | "Sep 29 09:22:41 fs3 kernel: [90787.418401] [<ffffffff810f726e>] ? path_walk+0x66/0xc9" |
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| 09:14.40 | Sc0rian | what does this mean? |
| 09:14.51 | wols_ | it means it looks up a path? |
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| 09:15.15 | aborrero | hi there! |
| 09:15.52 | aborrero | anyone can recommends me a XMPP server for debian squeeze? |
| 09:16.06 | aborrero | openfire is discarted :P |
| 09:16.16 | Sc0rian | i have a fuse system mounted on the box.. in my fstab: bfs3:/data-volume /san/gluster/data-volume glusterfs defaults,_netdev,noatime 0 0 |
| 09:16.21 | Sc0rian | anything to do with that? |
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| 09:24.03 | aborrero | anyone could recommends me a XMPP server for debian squeeze? Openfire is actually discarted :P |
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| 09:25.30 | daedelson | hmph, back to windows for now$ |
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| 09:39.05 | Dramaturg_ | wols_: sorry, I tried to start it in rescue mode |
| 09:39.15 | Dramaturg_ | wols_: the interface is network - not wifi |
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| 09:43.44 | bittin | Hello, iam trying to install an Logitech Quickcam Express webcam with volume id 046d:0870 in Debian what do i want? |
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| 09:45.45 | qwd | I installed Debian on a Powerbook G4. No DE yet. I didn't setup the network during install and when I plug in the ethernet cable now it's not connected to internet. Is there some command I need to run for that? |
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| 09:46.27 | nkuttler | qwd: well yes, you have to configure the network. see man 5 interfaces |
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| 09:50.20 | krion | yo |
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| 09:51.46 | fish_ | hi |
| 09:52.04 | wols_ | !tell Dramaturg_ about 70 |
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| 09:52.53 | fish_ | I guess there is no way to figure out if a package update needs a reboot, right? (for automatication purposes) |
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| 09:53.30 | petemc | fish_: other than an updated kernel, what else do you think would require a reboot? |
| 09:53.37 | wols_ | fish_: the only package that needs a reboot is the kernel |
| 09:53.53 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 09:53.53 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 09:54.10 | fish_ | petemc: well plymouth stuff for example |
| 09:54.30 | wols_ | and what does that need a reboot for? |
| 09:54.34 | qwd | nkuttler: don't really understand that. But I tried ifup and pressing tab to complete to "ifup lo" and it says it's already configured. ifup on its own, ifup eth0, ifup -a, none of these solve it for me. |
| 09:54.50 | fish_ | daemontools afaik in some cases |
| 09:55.13 | wols_ | fish_: why do you even want to reboot? |
| 09:55.23 | wols_ | especially automated reboots... |
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| 09:56.13 | wols_ | qwd: unless you edit your interfaces file properly, ifup won't do what you want it to |
| 09:56.41 | fish_ | wols_: no, I don't want automated reboots. I just don't want to install updates which changes the booting behavior |
| 09:57.21 | fish_ | wols_: I just don't want to end up with a system which doesn't boot properly |
| 09:57.27 | wols_ | that's not doable. and if you don't like boot behaviour changes, you shouldn't install plymouth in the first place |
| 09:57.33 | fish_ | for those updates I would prefer to reboot it to see if everything is fine |
| 09:57.41 | wols_ | what debian do you run? |
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| 09:58.10 | fish_ | i don't use plymouth, it was just an example because simply saying 'oh, this is probably only linux-image' doesn't feels right |
| 09:58.39 | fish_ | thought there might be a flag for 'changes stuff which is not "active" until next reboot' |
| 09:58.53 | fish_ | if not, I'm fine as well :) just wondering if there is such thing |
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| 09:59.08 | wols_ | < fish_> I guess there is no way to figure out if a package update needs a reboot, right? was the question. and the answer to it is: the kernel only needs a reboot |
| 09:59.35 | wols_ | there is no such flag. mainly kernel. grub (or other bootloader) |
| 09:59.39 | qwd | wols_: so isn't there something that can set it up automatically like the installer would? |
| 10:00.25 | wols_ | qwd: install wicd or network-manager. but I dunno if you would want to do that. for getting internet right now: dhclient <interface name> |
| 10:00.55 | fish_ | wols_: okay, thanks a lot! |
| 10:01.22 | petern__ | wols_, i needed a reboot after installed xserver-xorg-video-intel for it to work properly |
| 10:01.36 | petern__ | might've been a dependency of that that needed setting up |
| 10:01.47 | wols_ | petern__: never had that problem myself. what did the reboot solve? |
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| 10:02.38 | petern__ | the x driver wouldn't detect the graphics card because it was still in text mode, or something like that |
| 10:03.42 | petern__ | without a reboot there was no /dev/fb0 |
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| 10:05.21 | petern__ | wols_, i have to say, i was rather surprised myself |
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| 10:06.50 | karl_ | hi, when i create /mnt/usbhdd and then mount and unmount my usb hdd to it the directory vanishes, anyone know why ? |
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| 10:08.22 | bittin` | Hello, somone know how to downgrade your debian kernel? |
| 10:09.49 | karl_ | like this: http://pastebin.com/yBsyB6wj |
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| 10:09.53 | qwd | wols_: thanks! |
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| 10:11.40 | hartzie | bittin` just install a new kernel? |
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| 10:15.36 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.44 | lenswipe | can someone help with a GDM problem? |
| 10:16.00 | wols_ | !tell lenswipe about anyone |
| 10:16.01 | lenswipe | i have an alienware laptop and im having issues getting GDM toa ppear |
| 10:16.13 | lenswipe | smacks wols_ "let me finish my explaination" |
| 10:16.17 | lenswipe | to appear* |
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| 10:16.31 | wols_ | lenswipe: good luck getting any help. have a nice day |
| 10:16.56 | lenswipe | wols_: havent installed the NVIDIA driver yet(im having issues with it) so i dont know if thats the problem or not |
| 10:16.59 | themill | "let me finish my explanation" normally comes before hitting enter. |
| 10:17.18 | lenswipe | wols_: it says the installation fails but it wont tell me why, any suggestions as to stuff to try? |
| 10:17.42 | wols_ | lenswipe: please stop highlighting me and seek help with any masochist. thank you |
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| 10:18.02 | lenswipe | sights |
| 10:18.04 | lenswipe | sighs* |
| 10:18.08 | lenswipe | themill: any ideas? |
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| 10:18.44 | bittin` | hartzie: yepp found a fix in a mailinglist tough :) |
| 10:18.45 | bittin` | Linux cindy 3.0.0-1-powerpc #1 Sat Aug 27 17:07:06 UTC 2011 ppc GNU/Linux |
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| 10:20.06 | lenswipe | picks themill up to get his attention |
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| 10:20.07 | batouzo | hello, how is the hardened debian project doing? |
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| 10:20.30 | karl_ | any hints on my vanishing /mnt/usbhdd directory ? |
| 10:20.58 | wols_ | karl_: any automounter program used? |
| 10:21.13 | wols_ | !automount |
| 10:21.13 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 10:23.05 | karl_ | wols: hmm, yes, i run autofs but on a different directory and gnome is the desktop |
| 10:23.26 | karl_ | i just for the heck cant find out why that directory is vanishing |
| 10:23.34 | karl_ | http://pastebin.com/yBsyB6wj |
| 10:23.55 | karl_ | its a standard squeeze install |
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| 10:26.04 | nirgal | Hi. I can't find an xmpp client with an html interface. Just a couple of low level libraries in php with no reverse deps. Does anyone know one? |
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| 10:27.16 | bittin | Linux cindy 3.0.0-1-powerpc #1 Sat Aug 27 17:07:06 UTC 2011 ppc GNU/Linux yay iam current =) |
| 10:27.26 | wols_ | what is a html interface in this context? |
| 10:27.42 | lenswipe | can someone help |
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| 10:27.59 | lenswipe | picks wols_ up |
| 10:28.13 | nirgal | wols: something people can access using html. A cgi, some django, some php, anything.... |
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| 10:30.57 | sts | hello folks. if i run clamav, should i use debian volatile/-updates or freshclam? or should i use both in combination? |
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| 10:31.05 | sts | does anybody know where this is documented? |
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| 10:34.00 | nirgal | sts: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
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| 10:36.37 | sts | nirgal: as i said ... volatile/-updates.. which should mean squeeze-updates instead of volatile..? |
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| 10:37.38 | sts | nirgal: still don't know whether i should still run freshclam then... |
| 10:37.42 | karl_ | any more help about my vanishing directory ? |
| 10:37.55 | batouzo | how to use grsecurit on debian? |
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| 10:39.27 | nirgal | sts: Here, I just checked /etc/default/spamassassin contains good value for CRON |
| 10:40.37 | nirgal | sts: And if I remember correctly, from /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin, you need to compile the rules manually the first time |
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| 10:41.35 | nirgal | sts: I just realized your question was about clamav, sorry, I go back to sleep :] |
| 10:42.19 | wols_ | !tell batouzo about grsecurity |
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| 10:43.02 | aminpy | wols_, I don't know how can I fix my macbook pro performance |
| 10:43.10 | aminpy | wols_, can you help me? |
| 10:43.18 | aminpy | problem* |
| 10:43.32 | wols_ | aminpy: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc |
| 10:43.37 | gentoo_drummer | anyone here? just wondering.. what's the best case scenario to keep up with sources.list? For example xfce is really outdated on stable, I would like to use a hybrid debian workstation with a mixture of hybrid stable/testing packages. should I also be on the unstable branch for security patches? thanks |
| 10:43.57 | batouzo | is there some quicker installation? |
| 10:44.09 | wols_ | gentoo_drummer: you can do that. you will reinstall your debian inside a month or two if you do |
| 10:44.13 | batouzo | default install of minimal debian takes at least ~30 min, most of which is processing of packages... |
| 10:44.37 | wols_ | gentoo_drummer: debian is not gentoo! and unstable has no security patches at all. testing sorta has but in reality it hasn't either |
| 10:44.39 | batouzo | someone could instead make an image of already installed system that should be ready almost instantly after download |
| 10:45.12 | batouzo | gentoo_drummer: why you change gentoo->debian? :) |
| 10:45.12 | wols_ | batouzo: since you know what is needed, I propose you create such a thing. |
| 10:45.17 | gentoo_drummer | wols_: ofc debian =! gentoo, but I still feel more comfortable with a stable/testing conf |
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| 10:45.41 | gentoo_drummer | batouzo: need a binary distro for now |
| 10:45.48 | wols_ | gentoo_drummer: I just told you that this will break your debian instantly. go ahead but please never ever ask us for support for such a mess |
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| 10:45.51 | gentoo_drummer | dual booting arch/debian |
| 10:46.04 | gentoo_drummer | i see.. |
| 10:46.37 | wols_ | !tell gentoo_drummer about ssb |
| 10:46.41 | gentoo_drummer | so there is no way to get testing packages while on stable? |
| 10:47.17 | batouzo | would it not be cool to package grsecurity-patched debian kernel? |
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| 10:47.38 | aminpy | wols_, I install openerp's modules in 10 minutes with MacBook pro in 10 minutes, but when I use other systems, I do it in 1/2 minute |
| 10:48.43 | daedaluz | this blog is claiming power regression in kernel post-2.6.35 is a lie. thoughts? my personal experience tells otherwise. http://www.fewt.com/2011/09/about-kernel-30-power-regression-myth.html |
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| 10:49.23 | wols_ | daedaluz: what post .35 kernels did you use? |
| 10:50.09 | daedaluz | wols_: all of them. |
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| 10:52.54 | wols_ | daedaluz: have you actually read the blog posting? and understood what it says? and what you can do if you want to? |
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| 10:56.27 | clock | Hello |
| 10:56.59 | clock | When I start my Debian computer its constantly generating faint repetitive annoying noises into the speakers |
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| 10:57.19 | clock | which disappear when silence is being played back or paused in audacity |
| 10:57.27 | clock | and reappear when playback of silence is stopped |
| 10:57.33 | clock | the noises repeat every 5.4 second |
| 10:57.39 | clock | there is noise A and noise B |
| 10:58.23 | clock | Noise A is a high frequency pitched white noise of duration about 300ms followed by a dropout in the natural noise and hum of the soundcard for a 500 ms and a thump |
| 10:58.36 | clock | noise B is a louder pop |
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| 10:58.50 | clock | Noise A comes most of the time and noise B ocassionally |
| 10:59.09 | clock | I observed the sequence of noise A and B and saw: |
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| 10:59.52 | clock | 3*A, 1*B, 2*A, 1*B, 16*A, 1*B, 6*A, 1*B, 51*A, 1*B |
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| 11:00.56 | linux | hey folks |
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| 11:01.07 | linux | where would i go about finding the source tree for debian? |
| 11:01.19 | linux | im installing a driver that requires it , thats all :) |
| 11:01.20 | daedaluz | wols_: yes, I read it, but in my personal experience the power consumption has risen, which is why I'm asking other users' experiences. :) |
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| 11:01.38 | wols_ | linux: you install the header package for your current kernel |
| 11:01.40 | linux | kernel 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 11:01.45 | linux | wols_: how do i do that? |
| 11:01.50 | wols_ | !tell daedaluz about polls |
| 11:02.08 | wols_ | install linux-headers-($uname -r) |
| 11:02.14 | wols_ | in this case, from backports |
| 11:02.17 | linux | thank you :) |
| 11:02.23 | nutterpc | im gunna be installin Debian kFreeBSD tomorrow night |
| 11:02.25 | nutterpc | wooo |
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| 11:02.56 | linux | wols_: bash: syntax erro next unexpected token '(' |
| 11:03.00 | linux | ?_? |
| 11:03.07 | clock | what should I do that these noises disappear? |
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| 11:03.17 | daedaluz | wols_: okay point taken, asking if other people are having problems is terrible thing to do. I'm sorry. |
| 11:03.43 | wols_ | daedaluz: do you honestly want 700 or so answers in this channel? really? |
| 11:04.13 | clock | daedaluz, in my experience, almost anything is a terrible thing to do on debian or ubuntu irc support |
| 11:04.19 | linux | wols_: i fixed it and its saying "E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64" |
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| 11:04.50 | wols_ | clock: yes. like spamming by pressing the enter key countless times |
| 11:05.02 | wols_ | linux: what was your apt-get commandline? |
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| 11:05.19 | linux | wols_: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 11:05.28 | wols_ | linux: this ia backports package |
| 11:05.43 | linux | wols_: yeah, so how do i grab it from backports? |
| 11:05.51 | wols_ | the same way you grabbed your kernel |
| 11:05.54 | daedaluz | wols_: I presume most of the people here are idling and only few have intrest in this issue, but I'm sorry, you are right, I shouldn't disturb the balance in force |
| 11:05.54 | linux | O_O |
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| 11:06.03 | linux | wols_: i grabbed my kernel by downloading an ISO... |
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| 11:06.14 | wols_ | linux: kmuto? |
| 11:06.18 | linux | yep |
| 11:06.24 | wols_ | !tell linux about backports |
| 11:06.29 | clock | wols_, who was spamming by pressing enter? |
| 11:06.31 | wols_ | linux: what driver do you need to compile btw? |
| 11:06.44 | wols_ | clock: look in the neares mirror please. |
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| 11:07.37 | wols_ | clock: you know, you come in here and ask for help for free but then insult the people in here. have you thought about that? good luck |
| 11:07.44 | clock | wols_, i feel unfairly accused and disrespected when u say spamming by pressing enter countless time and look into the mirror |
| 11:07.56 | wols_ | !pal clock |
| 11:07.57 | dpkg | points at clock and laughs hysterically |
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| 11:08.25 | clock | I feel insulted, unfairly treated, disrespected and unfairly accused when I say I insult the people |
| 11:08.37 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.47 | clock | I feel mocked when wols make dpkg point at me and laugh hysterically |
| 11:09.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | clock: you had 11 consecutive lines; wols_ statement is entirely fair |
| 11:09.10 | babilen | Could we move on? |
| 11:09.17 | clock | sorry when you say I unsult... |
| 11:09.43 | clock | Kamping_Kaiser, I feel disrespected when you say wols_ statement is entirely fair |
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| 11:10.00 | petemc | you dont need to give everyone a running commentary of how you feel |
| 11:10.34 | clock | petemc: I feel disrespected when u say i dont have to give running commentary how i feel |
| 11:10.52 | wols_ | clock: please stop that and stay on topic with debian support |
| 11:11.04 | babilen | seconds that |
| 11:11.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | motion carried :p |
| 11:11.23 | clock | i feel disrespected when I feel disrespected about 20 times and you say please stop that and stay on topic |
| 11:11.51 | babilen | clock: Stop it -- If you *have* to discuss this issue feel free to take it somewhere else. |
| 11:11.52 | Bushmills | clock: respect is something which needs to be earned |
| 11:12.08 | clock | I feel disrespected when someone says an imperative what I should do |
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| 11:12.31 | clock | Bushmills, I feel disrespected when u say respect is something that needs to be earned |
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| 11:12.54 | petemc | i feel happy that he has left |
| 11:13.00 | Bushmills | well, that worked : |
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| 11:13.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | well, back to respectful debian support i guess :p |
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| 11:17.47 | zatix | hello |
| 11:18.08 | wols_ | good day |
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| 11:18.26 | zatix | I am planning to install a debian distribution for my work desktop machine, I would also like to collaborate fixing and reporting bugs, should I install sid? |
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| 11:18.52 | wols_ | if you install debian for the first time, you should not install sid. install debian stable and learn how debian works first |
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| 11:19.07 | BW^- | into tomcat on lenny, am i supposed to be able to add a file /etc/tomcat5.5/policy.d/51.java.policies.bme and its privilege contents will be loaded into tomcat on startup? i tried this but they don't seem to load |
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| 11:19.30 | zatix | wols_: is it very difficult? I have been using different unix machines for some years |
| 11:20.35 | Bushmills | zatix: testing - i.e. wheezy - may make more sense for bug reporting |
| 11:20.50 | zatix | ok |
| 11:20.59 | wols_ | zatix: debian, the debian packaging system where most of sid bugs originate, needs to be understood to fix the various problems sid poses regularly. and if you don't understand it at all, you cannot help much or run sid yourself either |
| 11:21.44 | wols_ | zatix: you need to install debian stable anyways at first. and then dist-upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 11:21.47 | Bushmills | zatix: wheezy is also somewhat less likely to bugger your system completley |
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| 11:23.06 | zatix | I will then install the testing release thanks |
| 11:23.38 | Bushmills | i suggest to install stable. change to testing when you're comfortable and familiar with stable |
| 11:23.56 | zatix | ok |
| 11:24.00 | Bushmills | especially with the package management system |
| 11:24.18 | wols_ | zatix: and please run stable OR testing. do not mix the two. and when you run testing, you cannot go back to stable |
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| 11:29.52 | inc0 | hi, I've installed debian recently and I can't get sound working |
| 11:30.11 | inc0 | it sees devices, alsamixer is maxed out |
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| 11:30.41 | inc0 | but when I try to run any music or so, it doesnt work |
| 11:30.57 | inc0 | and it sprints through playback instantly |
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| 11:31.44 | pbase | how do I clean up the terminal command history? and how can I disable to store it |
| 11:32.18 | zatix | history clear |
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| 11:32.50 | colo-work | pbase, try `help history` |
| 11:32.52 | pbase | where is the location of the file where the commands are logged? |
| 11:32.56 | pbase | ok |
| 11:33.05 | colo-work | echo $HISTFILE |
| 11:33.35 | zatix | you have to unset that env variable |
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| 11:33.52 | pbase | cool thanks got it :) |
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| 11:35.09 | pbase | drat it doesnt log the date |
| 11:35.55 | pbase | ok $HISTTIMEFORMAT |
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| 12:00.52 | archman | is this a working email for backport requesting? pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 12:01.48 | themill | for the hydrogen package? Yes, that's the best way to contact the maintainers and they are the best people to ask if they would be prepared to make a backport |
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| 12:04.16 | archman | themill: thanks; maybe you know how much time it is necessary for an email to be visible in the archives? i've sent an email yesterday, but it's still not there.. |
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| 12:05.17 | antgel | i'm trying to debug my usb wireless as per http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/debug. but when i do the modprobe with the debug parameter, it doesn't create the entries in /sys/kernel/debug. does the -dbg kernel package have CONFIG_ATH_DEBUG (as advised here yesterday), or have i missed the point? really don't want to build a kernel |
| 12:05.48 | themill | archman: it was received on the list; I don't know about the alioth list archives. |
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| 12:07.30 | antgel | i think it's just for catching segfaults and getting a stack trace, but i'd love to be proved wrong |
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| 12:07.39 | archman | themill: you managed to check it was recieved? where? :) |
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| 12:08.45 | themill | in my inbox... |
| 12:08.53 | archman | aah, cheers |
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| 12:09.34 | archman | hopefully someone will have that libjack-dev resolved :) |
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| 12:14.57 | themill | archman: when I looked at it yesterday, that didn't seem to be a problem (but I was building in a clean system with out any jack packages installed at all). There were other compilation problems instead... |
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| 12:21.04 | holben | how to deal with this? cannot stream a video because it cannot be viewed in my region? |
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| 12:21.37 | archman | themill: yeah, i have this libjack-jackd2-dev and it conflicts with libjack0-dev; what problems you got? |
| 12:21.37 | nkuttler | holben: on a website? contact the website owner... or use a proxy |
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| 12:22.05 | themill | archman: and the sendfile problems that I had yesterday I can't reproduce today... It does look like a backport you should be able to make yourself, making it in a clean chroot might be worthwhile |
| 12:23.25 | holben | archman: thks, use a proxy sounds right. |
| 12:23.49 | archman | themill: well, after solving the dependencies, i'll try using "dpkg-source -x package; fakeroot debian/rules binary"; i guess that's ok.. |
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| 12:29.14 | holben | trying to watch the Chinese space launch. know of any high speed proxy? |
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| 12:32.32 | nkuttler | holben: not #debian related and kinda hard to find as open proxies get abused by spammers a lot |
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| 12:47.50 | MoooookiE | hello, the debian-sys-maint mysql user on my mysql server has two weeks not existed because of an backup restore error. In this time the hdd space on the server gets smaller and smaller without any reason. There were no new files and the log-files and mysql-datadir is on an external storage. Yesterday I saw the missing user and created it. Today beetween 6-7 clock gets 40% of the hdd space free without anyone touching anything. Can someone tell me what the d |
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| 12:49.04 | abrotman | the drive gets smaller or the free space gets smaller? |
| 12:49.16 | abrotman | and you were truncated |
| 12:49.52 | abrotman | !debian-sys-maint |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | a special user that has access to the local mysql for starting/stopping mysql and other maintenance operations. You should not remove this user. You can try SET PASSWORD FOR 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('new_password_here'); you then need to FLUSH PRIVILEGES; and might need to GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES again. |
| 12:50.10 | MoooookiE | abrotman: sorry, the free space gets smaller without debian-sys-maint |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | so create teh user |
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| 12:51.29 | MoooookiE | abrotman: I've already done that and after that 40% space gets free. But I want know what cronjob or something like this runs which makes this. |
| 12:52.26 | MoooookiE | the space gets free at the time the cron.daily run |
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| 12:55.35 | abrotman | MoooookiE: probably the mysql log rotation? |
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| 12:56.54 | MoooookiE | The mysql log never gets this big |
| 12:58.04 | Psychonaut | I want to allow normal users to only reboot the system, not shutdown. I dont mean just change the value of the variable shutdown to ctrl + alt + del... I meant block the command shutdown -h now and its variations. |
| 12:58.28 | Psychonaut | oh yeah, i forgot the question... Anybody knows about that? |
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| 13:01.03 | sep | Psychonaut, allow them only "sudo reboot" in sudoers ? |
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| 13:03.38 | Psychonaut | sep squeeze dont have sudo command. |
| 13:04.03 | petemc | sure it does |
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| 13:04.09 | petemc | apt-get install sudo |
| 13:05.25 | Psychonaut | petemc im talking about the native system. |
| 13:05.33 | petemc | what native system? |
| 13:05.48 | Psychonaut | the builtin system that dont come with sudo. |
| 13:06.02 | Psychonaut | did u read the question? |
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| 13:06.38 | themill | Psychonaut: what's stopping you installing sudo? |
| 13:06.46 | Psychonaut | [themill]: i dont want sudo |
| 13:06.51 | Psychonaut | lol |
| 13:06.55 | babilen | Psychonaut: Which built-in system are you talking about and why can't you just install sudo? |
| 13:06.55 | themill | gives up |
| 13:07.06 | Psychonaut | babilen i dont whant sudo dude |
| 13:07.13 | Psychonaut | I want to allow normal users to only reboot the system, not shutdown. I dont mean just change the value of the variable shutdown to ctrl + alt + del... I meant block the command shutdown -h now and its variations. |
| 13:07.24 | daemonkeeper | So, live without a proper solution |
| 13:07.26 | babilen | Psychonaut: Yes, grant them those priviliges with sudo |
| 13:07.39 | babilen | *privileges |
| 13:07.41 | themill | Psychonaut: sudo is designed for precisely this sort of thing. Use it or annoy someone else about how to reinvent the wheel. |
| 13:08.07 | Psychonaut | themill ok, thanks. |
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| 13:17.29 | Psychonaut | can i use squeeze with authentication at samba and http proxy with time restrictions? I was told that was possible only with transparent proxy. |
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| 13:21.09 | svenx | given a package, what's the best way of finding the source code repository? in this case, ifenslave-2.6 |
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| 13:21.24 | svenx | imo, it should be a separate field in the package metadata |
| 13:21.40 | takpar | i\] |
| 13:21.53 | nvz | in debian it tells you in the package info what the source package name is, and the repo is the same as the package itself |
| 13:22.06 | nvz | if thats not a debian package, then IDK |
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| 13:23.32 | wols_ | svenx: apt-get source ifenslave-2.6 and if it's not debian it's OT here anyways |
| 13:23.39 | svenx | wols_: well, true. |
| 13:24.02 | magnus_ | a monitoring system is periodically sending me reports over email. for each email, there is an attachment with some data. what would be an easy way to fetch each mail and extract the attachment for processing? ideally, i'd like to use a IMAP connection so that the server PUSH emails to me whenever new reports arrive. When a new mail is detected, i'd like to start another program which handles the processing |
| 13:24.05 | wols_ | it is a debian package, so why did you have to ask? |
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| 13:25.14 | nvz | ok well maybe not.. I swear there was a damn source package field in the package info.. but I'm not seeing it on anything yet.. |
| 13:25.27 | nvz | ah shows on libc6 |
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| 13:25.34 | wols_ | svenx: what do you mean with "finding source code repository" exactly? |
| 13:25.40 | svenx | wols_: i was looking for the maintainer/git/svn-repo for it, to investigate discrepancies in the docs. it seems that ubuntu has forked and fixed it themselves, so was thinking of a backport to debian's repo. |
| 13:25.44 | wols_ | nvz: only shows if the source name is different than package name |
| 13:25.56 | svenx | i can always contact the maintainer. |
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| 13:26.28 | wols_ | svenx: there is no such thing. what is the advantage of having such a public source code control system for a distro? |
| 13:26.50 | svenx | ..so you can fork/clone and create patches? |
| 13:27.02 | wols_ | and you can't do that now? |
| 13:27.27 | wols_ | you simply download the source for any package, be it in squeeze or experimental and you can patch and fork however you want |
| 13:27.36 | svenx | i can always base the patch on a release, but it would be nice to have access to the repo to make a clean commit |
| 13:27.39 | wols_ | so why does it have to be in a cvs? |
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| 13:27.56 | wols_ | are are repos. we call them "sid" or "experimental" |
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| 13:28.05 | wols_ | *there are |
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| 13:28.55 | wols_ | not as if ubuntu or other people randomly go to your git repo then and pull your patches (which is the same as when one sends a patchset to a debian maintainer |
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| 13:42.11 | daedhel | i'm getting fucking fed up with this fucking pile of shit that consolekit authentification has become FOR OVER A YEAR since hal was deprecated |
| 13:42.20 | daedhel | this shit is getting fucking too much |
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| 13:42.26 | daedhel | i need to vent |
| 13:42.35 | nvz | hah |
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| 13:43.09 | daedhel | seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM AND WHY ISN'T IT FIXED |
| 13:43.29 | nvz | wanders off |
| 13:43.53 | babilen | daedhel: Please relax and take it somewhere else. Or ask specific questions if you need/want our help. Thank you :) |
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| 13:48.05 | jelly | his kit is inconsolable |
| 13:48.42 | sio | Hi.. I have python-2.7 installed; I'm trying to install python-cheetah, and it's requiring python-2.5, which i don't want. this has changed recently, is it possible to install it w/o 2.5? |
| 13:49.53 | sio | Oops... I mean I have python 2.6.6 installed, not 2.7 |
| 13:50.43 | wols_ | sio: where did you install cheetah from? |
| 13:51.52 | sio | i'm trying to add it using apt-get |
| 13:52.21 | wols_ | now this is a fscked up depends line: |
| 13:52.27 | wols_ | ,depends python-cheetah |
| 13:52.27 | judd | Package python-cheetah in squeeze/i386 -- depends: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python2.5, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~). |
| 13:52.34 | sio | the standard repositories, or whatever they're called. it's a clean debian squeeze install. |
| 13:52.49 | wols_ | sio: I suggest you create a "backport" yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:54.32 | sio | wols_: ok... i'll give it a try. how about contacting the pkg maintainer, if it needs to be fixed? |
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| 13:55.09 | daedhel | jelly: that was a good one |
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| 13:55.28 | sio | wols_: thanks for the help. |
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| 14:11.56 | daedhel | anyone is unsing sid here, and managed to make policykit and consolekit work with console logins and starting X with .xinitrc and startx |
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| 14:14.23 | Joelito | daedhel, unsing as not using? |
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| 14:15.49 | daedhel | Joelito: what do you mean ? |
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| 14:16.16 | Joelito | I didn't understand the question |
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| 14:16.42 | daedhel | Joelito: hm |
| 14:16.50 | daedhel | Joelito: what don't you understand |
| 14:17.11 | Joelito | the word "unsing" |
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| 14:18.08 | daedhel | hm |
| 14:18.20 | daedhel | its a typo |
| 14:18.25 | daedhel | obviously |
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| 14:22.08 | babilen | daedhel: Take a look at ck-launch-session |
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| 14:23.49 | babilen | daedhel: Please also note http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597937 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/08/msg01564.html |
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| 14:31.03 | daedhel | babilen: I already use ck-launch-session |
| 14:31.11 | daedhel | and I modified the pam files |
| 14:31.18 | daedhel | and made many other attemps |
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| 14:34.15 | danboid | I'm using network-manager under wheezy- I can still access machines on my lan but can't access the net now even though all settings seem to be correct and I can access the net on other machines on the same network. |
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| 14:35.28 | danboid | When I try accessing a web site under Iceweasel it will do the DNS/looking up bit but it never connects to a site |
| 14:35.54 | daedhel | babilen: thanks for the link. It was informative |
| 14:36.43 | danboid | I've tried restarting the networking service and networking manager and the full machine, tried deleting /etc/udev/../networking file (whatever its called) - no luck |
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| 14:37.42 | babilen | daedhel: Good luck -- Those were the best references I could find in a reasonable amount of time. A (dirty?) workaround would be to just use a graphical login manager, but you might not want/like that. |
| 14:37.42 | danboid | I feel there is some kind of lock or temp file stopping access here |
| 14:38.40 | daedhel | babilen: i don't know how you manage to stay zen about this. thi problem has been bugging me since hal was deprecated, and i'm so pissed, it's not even funny |
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| 14:39.47 | Smerdyakov | I'm trying the Icedove in the latest Debian stable for the first time. Does anyone know how I can make it behave more traditionally, not combining inboxes from separate IMAP acounts into one folder? |
| 14:40.26 | babilen | daedhel: Go for a walk, install a graphical login manager and relax. ;) |
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| 14:41.26 | danboid | OK - so I can fix it just by changing my static IP but if I revert to my old one or DHCP - I'll get no net |
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| 14:42.20 | abrotman | again ... |
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| 14:45.00 | abrotman | daedhel: you can get X working without the hal stuff, it's hard .. that's why we don't suggest doing it .. if you don't want X running all the time, the easier method is to install xdm/gdm/slim, and have it not start at boot, and start it when you want to use X |
| 14:46.01 | daedhel | abrotman: yeah, I could use GDM |
| 14:46.31 | daedhel | but the fact i can't use X without a DM, well |
| 14:46.34 | daedhel | its a bug |
| 14:46.40 | daedhel | and it is not fixed |
| 14:46.45 | daedhel | and it enrages me |
| 14:47.02 | danboid | daedhel, Why do you need a DM? |
| 14:47.10 | abrotman | daedhel: you use X .. |
| 14:47.20 | jelly | did startx stop working? |
| 14:47.21 | abrotman | daedhel: you're asking about other tools .. not X itself |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | daedhel: last night you were saying that n-m and automount don't work IIRC .. those are not X |
| 14:48.11 | daedhel | jelly: yes, it stopped working with the polkit and consolekit session |
| 14:48.32 | daedhel | danboid: I don't need one and I don't want one |
| 14:48.39 | jelly | OMG they killed startx! |
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| 14:48.45 | abrotman | they didn't! |
| 14:48.47 | jelly | the bastards |
| 14:49.02 | daedhel | consolekit is at fault |
| 14:49.16 | abrotman | daedhel: what part of *X* doesn't work? |
| 14:49.34 | daedhel | ? |
| 14:49.39 | daedhel | never said X is not working |
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| 14:51.32 | abrotman | "can't use X without a DM" .. that's false .. you said it |
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| 14:53.13 | daedhel | yup |
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| 14:58.21 | danboid | daedhel, Are you having probs with n-m too? squeeze, wheezy, sid? I'm under wheezy |
| 14:58.38 | daedhel | hm yeah |
| 14:58.44 | daedhel | nm never worked right |
| 14:58.45 | daedhel | in sid |
| 14:59.09 | daedhel | g2g0 |
| 14:59.16 | daedhel | go |
| 14:59.20 | daedhel | ttyl |
| 14:59.24 | danboid | daedhel, can you be more specific? |
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| 15:05.12 | abrotman | danboid: ignore him .. he's trying to make things more difficult |
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| 15:16.10 | Pegasus_RPG | hello there. Is backports meant to be used on an as-needed basis or should it be included during normal apt-get upgrade cycles? |
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| 15:17.24 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: both. Packages you have installed from squeeze-backports will be upgraded; packages you have only from squeeze will not be automatically upgraded to the versions in squeeze-backports. |
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| 15:18.07 | Pegasus_RPG | ok, that's really handy! But I want to know if it's intended to upgrade all packages to the backports versions wholesale? |
| 15:18.16 | debiantonio | "...Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable (in a few cases only, e.g. security updates) in a stable environment so that they will run without new libraries (whenever it is possible) on a Debian stable distribution. ..." |
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| 15:22.40 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: no, that is not the intended use. Pick the ones you want. |
| 15:23.06 | Pegasus_RPG | ok, thank you for the confirmation. |
| 15:24.56 | Pegasus_RPG | is installing a brand new laptop with Debian Squeeze but wants newer applications |
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| 15:26.09 | speak | hey, running Debian Squeeze here, and for some reasons my videofiles are running slightly in slow motion (the audio is lower too) |
| 15:26.22 | speak | i'm quite at loss, not sure where to start finding the cause |
| 15:26.27 | tensorpudding | getting the newest apps is antithetical to having a stable install |
| 15:26.30 | speak | music plays normally in Audacious |
| 15:26.44 | speak | i've tried both the default video player that comes with debian, and VLC |
| 15:28.16 | blip2 | speak: in vlc does the speed control do anything (regardless of what the base speed is) |
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| 15:29.42 | speak | you mean Playback -> Faster functionality? that works |
| 15:30.00 | blip2 | and in the bottom right corner? |
| 15:30.23 | speak | yes |
| 15:30.27 | blip2 | hmmk |
| 15:30.43 | blip2 | tried mplayer? |
| 15:31.01 | speak | no i don't think so, i'll give it a go thanks |
| 15:31.54 | blip2 | cause if mplayer doesn't play it right, theres a problem with libraries/hardware (assuming its not the file) |
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| 15:40.30 | speak | yeah blip2 i wasn't able to find a video output that would play it with the right speed |
| 15:40.56 | eliasson | Hi. I want to replace the text -skeleton- with the value from $1 (argument from .sh-script). I'm now using sed 's/-skeleton-/$1/g' but that litteraly replaces with $1. |
| 15:40.57 | speak | and i've tried multiple different files from different sources, so it's not the file that's off |
| 15:41.02 | eliasson | How can I overcome that? |
| 15:41.05 | blip2 | tried a dvd? |
| 15:41.34 | speak | haven't tried one, i'll see if i can find one |
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| 15:42.25 | digitalice_ | hello, i opened email ports on my firewall, but is does not work for computer in my lan. any idea? http://pastebin.com/gTPq71Fk |
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| 15:46.26 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: you opened nothing |
| 15:47.10 | wols_ | digitalice_: and you didn't need to open anything either |
| 15:47.31 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: your policy is "ACCEPT", thats default, your ACCEPT rules *on* *top* of that are redundant |
| 15:47.41 | digitalice_ | ahh |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | or #netfilter |
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| 15:48.17 | digitalice_ | i just want to my computer in eth0 can check mail throw eth1 |
| 15:48.17 | wols_ | digitalice_: what is you actual email problem? |
| 15:48.25 | digitalice_ | how do i do that? :P |
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| 15:48.46 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: start by not thinking in terms of interface names but network adresses |
| 15:49.00 | wols_ | digitalice_: need a lot more info about your network setup. routing mainly |
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| 15:49.39 | eliasson | Hi. I want to replace the text -skeleton- with the value from $1 (argument from .sh-script). I'm now using sed 's/-skeleton-/$1/g' but that litteraly replaces with $1. How can I overcome that? |
| 15:49.48 | digitalice_ | my network is lan, router, firewall, wan |
| 15:49.56 | digitalice_ | tell me what do u need and i paste it |
| 15:50.04 | colo-work | eliasson, use double instead of single quotes |
| 15:50.08 | colo-work | around your sed statement |
| 15:50.10 | eliasson | colo-work: Thanks. |
| 15:50.21 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: what does not work? |
| 15:50.45 | digitalice_ | the firewall has a proxy ... but i dont allow lan to connect to the internet |
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| 15:51.06 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: that firewall runs debian too? |
| 15:51.38 | digitalice_ | but email, does not work, so i need to open internet to the lan computers, just in port 110 and 25 to check mail |
| 15:51.46 | digitalice_ | yes, im on the firewall right now |
| 15:51.56 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: dont call it "open" because thats not what it is you want |
| 15:52.10 | valdyn_ | !ipmasq |
| 15:52.11 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
| 15:52.12 | digitalice_ | ok |
| 15:52.18 | valdyn_ | oh to bad |
| 15:52.38 | digitalice_ | but i dont want nat |
| 15:52.41 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: you need ip masquerading for the non-routable lan adresses |
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| 15:52.55 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: what you want *is* nat |
| 15:53.05 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: dont tell us you want to do nat without nat |
| 15:53.31 | eliasson | colo-work: For some reason, that did not do the trick. :| |
| 15:53.33 | eliasson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.44 | digitalice_ | http://pastebin.com/FRF2jDsn but i did that here? |
| 15:53.52 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: or at least tell us what you dont want about nat or whats wrong with nat |
| 15:53.58 | digitalice_ | ahhh |
| 15:54.15 | colo-work | eliasson, you had the arguments to s reversed before |
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| 15:54.19 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: thats the same old paste, those ACCEPT fules do nothing |
| 15:54.25 | colo-work | are you sure you know what you want to have done? |
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| 15:54.41 | digitalice_ | i dont want to let computers in the lan use internet, or other ports, just email |
| 15:54.55 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: ok, no |
| 15:54.57 | eliasson | colo-work: I want to replace -skeleton- with the value of $1 |
| 15:55.00 | digitalice_ | no, i just followed a tutorial -_- |
| 15:55.09 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: you want to have nat for specific ports only |
| 15:55.14 | digitalice_ | ahh |
| 15:55.15 | eliasson | Oh, Now I see. |
| 15:55.15 | digitalice_ | ok ;) |
| 15:55.18 | eliasson | colo-work: sorry :) |
| 15:55.20 | eliasson | typo |
| 15:55.22 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: or you want nat for specific traffic only |
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| 15:55.41 | digitalice_ | for spesific ports only ;) |
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| 15:55.58 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: echo should probably work too |
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| 15:56.29 | digitalice_ | valdyn_ i dont know, can u help me? |
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| 15:56.49 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: im very lazy and i dont know the rules without reading up on it anyway |
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| 15:57.13 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: use your favourite howto to get masquerading and add the destination port filters of your choice |
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| 15:57.20 | alexbligh | How does dh_installinit take parameters? dh_installinit --update-rcd-params='defaults 98 02' fails with the peculiar message 'Duplicate specification "O=s" for option "O"' |
| 15:57.20 | alexbligh | . No amount of '--', removing or adding quoting seems to work. Any ideas? |
| 15:57.34 | digitalice_ | valdyn_ any tutorial? |
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| 15:59.53 | eliasson | Is it possible to make all files/folders created in a directory always have chmod 770 and a specific owner and group owner? |
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| 16:00.34 | blip2 | eliasson: the filesystem cannot enforce that for you |
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| 16:00.42 | keith4 | eliasson: set g+s on the parent |
| 16:00.53 | eliasson | keith4: Thanks. |
| 16:02.08 | blip2 | I'll quote "For system security reasons it is not a good idea to set many program's set user or group ID bits any more than necessary, since this can allow an unauthorized user privileges in sensitive system areas. If the program has a flaw that allows the user to break out of the intended use of the program, then the system can be compromised." |
| 16:02.10 | speak | sadly blip2 i'm not able to test a dvd because i don't have any working video dvd's around. ;( |
| 16:02.21 | blip2 | speak: bleh |
| 16:02.35 | blip2 | what files are you trying to play? |
| 16:02.59 | speak | i've tried MKV and AVI |
| 16:03.13 | blip2 | what encoding? |
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| 16:03.40 | blip2 | speak: afk for a bit |
| 16:03.51 | speak | okay blip2! thanks for the help so far |
| 16:04.35 | speak | H264, and also DivX MPEG-4 Version 5 |
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| 16:21.31 | acu | hey guys - does anyone know when IPV6 is going to be implemented ? |
| 16:21.50 | valdyn_ | acu: more than 10 years ago I think |
| 16:22.01 | acu | :) |
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| 16:22.31 | acu | valdyn: the ISPs are not handing IPV6 I guess |
| 16:22.44 | valdyn_ | acu: maybe yours doesn't |
| 16:22.59 | acu | I wanted to setup a LAN with IPV6 - while the WAN will be faced with ipv4 since that is what I got from the provider |
| 16:23.11 | acu | valdyn: but the DNS servers and everything is IPV6 ready |
| 16:23.18 | Dagger3 | tunnels can be had trivially from www.tunnelbroker.net |
| 16:23.37 | acu | I have most of domains at Godaddy - I have to see if I can set it there too |
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| 16:26.19 | acu | Dagger3: so the DNS would not handle yet ipv6 - but where do I get the IPV6 addresses - what I am still puzzled by is that the main concept would be that every single workstation in the world will have to have an ipv6, but that have to be assigned otherwise there will be a conflict - so where do I get my ipv6 to begin with - I understand for LAN that I will chose my ipv6 address - but that would not be the public one |
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| 16:28.01 | Dagger3 | you get your address space from an ISP... they route you a block of addresses |
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| 16:29.04 | Dagger3 | for instance if you get a tunnel from HE, they might give you 2001:470:db8::/48, which means you get all the addresses between 2001:470:db8:0:0:0:0:0 to 2001:470:db8:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff |
| 16:29.11 | NickMind | hello all im try to pipe service --status-all command to anything. and not getting a full list |
| 16:29.15 | NickMind | is there a better cli service command I should use? |
| 16:29.31 | valdyn_ | acu: no, not everyone has to have a routable ipv6 adress |
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| 16:29.46 | valdyn_ | acu: but theres enough for everyone to have plenty |
| 16:30.25 | Dagger3 | acu: you use addresses from that range on your LAN. generally those would be the only addresses you use, and you wouldn't bother with private LAN-only addresses |
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| 16:31.30 | valdyn_ | NickMind: how is your list not full? |
| 16:31.48 | acu | Dagger3: OK, so my current ISP gives me an IPv4 static address - then I go to Hurricane Electric and get IPV6 and tunnel them through the one IPV4 - and all my workstations will have an IPV6 and only my WAN router will have an IPV4 and IPV6 did I get it right ? |
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| 16:33.19 | acu | Alternatively, if my ISP provider gives me an IPV6 - I do not need an IPV4 at all - if all the public DNS servers are already dual capable |
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| 16:33.45 | Dagger3 | you need to give each computer v4 addresses if you want them to be able to access the v4 internet |
| 16:34.05 | valdyn_ | 4in6 |
| 16:34.08 | NickMind | valdyn_: if i run the command i see my terminal more then a page, then i pipe to less or >file.txt and i only see 24 lines or so |
| 16:34.08 | valdyn_ | works |
| 16:34.41 | valdyn_ | NickMind: how many is it supposed to be? |
| 16:35.09 | NickMind | valdyn_: 40+ |
| 16:35.22 | Dagger3 | valdyn_: for tunneling v4 between hosts, but how does that help you access the v4 interwebs? |
| 16:35.23 | acu | Dagger: but the router and gateway which is both ipv6 and ipv4 will not take care of that ? - or that is the valdyn_ 4in6 |
| 16:35.23 | NickMind | is there a better command for services running? |
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| 16:36.20 | valdyn_ | NickMind: the undedertimed "services" ( thats mostly stuff that just triggers switches and is not daemons ), the stuff with [ ? ] goes to stderr, not stdout and > only catches stdout |
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| 16:36.27 | acu | when you think that all this tools learned for ipv4 are going to be obsolete soon - nmap and all :) |
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| 16:36.59 | wols_ | pskill trek |
| 16:37.14 | NickMind | valdyn_: your right thanks, 2>&1 works |
| 16:37.23 | Dagger3 | acu: it is in principle possible to do a v6-only LAN with the router translating (see NAT64 and Tayga), but it doesn't have any advantages over dual-stacking it |
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| 16:37.35 | speak | blip2 yeah the only further hints i can tell you is that streaming videos from Youtube works |
| 16:37.46 | digitalice_ | im back |
| 16:37.47 | speak | so that's quite interesting. some weird codec issue of some weird sort |
| 16:37.57 | digitalice_ | i guess i know what i was looking for |
| 16:38.09 | blip2 | speak: sounds like it |
| 16:38.23 | digitalice_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.16.0/24 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination IP_ADDRES |
| 16:38.26 | blip2 | I assume everything else is working ok? |
| 16:38.40 | speak | yeah |
| 16:38.50 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: that looks wrong |
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| 16:38.54 | blip2 | yeh I would go with library/codec |
| 16:38.57 | digitalice_ | what should i put in IP address to allow, all server in internet? |
| 16:39.09 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: skip it entirely |
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| 16:39.17 | speak | i added debian-multimedia repository in and it had updates on some codecs as well, but still no luck |
| 16:39.24 | inc0 | hi, I have problem with sound in debian |
| 16:39.27 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: -j DNAT is not what you want |
| 16:39.32 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: -j MASQ is |
| 16:39.38 | inc0 | basicly it doesn't work at all |
| 16:39.50 | househead | all IP addresses = 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:39.51 | inc0 | its testing/experimental now |
| 16:39.53 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: -d is also wrong, your doing reverse nat with this, not at all what you want |
| 16:40.02 | digitalice_ | valdyn_ can you show me an example? |
| 16:40.17 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: ill try |
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| 16:40.53 | acu | Dagger3: dual stacking you mean having both ipv4 and 6 enabled in each workstation ? what would be the advantage of that ? |
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| 16:41.46 | valdyn_ | digitalice_: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth1 --dport 25 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:41.50 | acu | inc0: do you use pulse or alsa - are the volumes up - did you have sound before ? |
| 16:42.15 | Dagger3 | acu: you can access v4 hosts on the internet :p |
| 16:42.42 | inc0 | acu, alsa, mixers seems to be maxed out, I didn't have sound, speaker-test works well, it gives noise |
| 16:42.55 | inc0 | when I run mp3 or something it speeds up |
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| 16:43.10 | acu | do you hear anything ? |
| 16:43.15 | inc0 | and jumps few seconds each |
| 16:43.17 | Dagger3 | acu: you can use NAT64, which allows your LAN workstations to access v4 hosts over v6, but then you have all the disadvantages of just putting them behind a v4 NAT, plus the added complication of maintaining the NAT64 setup (which also requires a special DNS server) |
| 16:43.18 | acu | speeds up means plays |
| 16:43.18 | inc0 | nope |
| 16:43.28 | inc0 | or thinks it plays;) |
| 16:43.47 | inc0 | only sound I got so far is from speaker-test |
| 16:43.51 | Dagger3 | acu: plus any software that can't handle v6 will completely break, and any use of v4 literal addresses will fail |
| 16:43.55 | inc0 | which means sound card is working |
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| 16:44.37 | acu | so you have problem with the codec - try installing vlc - it has it's own codecs (decoders) - and play with that and see - because if you have sound - is not the sound card |
| 16:44.37 | hotwings | is there a way to check if there are items which can be "apt-get autoremove"'ed without actually doing the command? are autoremove'able packages listed in a file somewhere or? |
| 16:44.56 | valdyn_ | hotwings: apt-get -s autoremove |
| 16:45.03 | inc0 | correction, speaker-test used to work, now it doesnt for some reason |
| 16:45.25 | acu | Dagger3: so the conclusion is not to bother with ipv6 there is no advantage beyond an academic exercise which might be time consuming and extralayer where things can go wrong |
| 16:45.32 | somiaj | hotwings: apt-get tells me the list of packages everytime I run it, but you could do a dry-run or something. |
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| 16:46.01 | somiaj | hotwings: which is the -s --dry-run --just-print --no-act (seems to have lots of flags for the same thing) |
| 16:46.45 | inc0 | lspci | grep Audio http://pastie.org/2612089 |
| 16:46.48 | acu | inc0 if you have pulse and alsa installed (sound servers) sometimes there is a conflict - I forgot now details about them - but just see if both are installed and see - but first you have to make sure that your sound card works - play a cd - use another file than mp3 - some movie etc - if |
| 16:47.01 | valdyn_ | acu: alsa is not a sound server |
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| 16:47.13 | valdyn_ | acu: you cannot have pulse without alsa |
| 16:47.13 | Dagger3 | acu: well, the conclusion I came to was to stick v6 on the network via a tunnel, so I could access remote v6 hosts, and so I could have globally-reachable address on all of my computers |
| 16:47.17 | themill | hotwings: "aptitude search ~g" |
| 16:47.49 | inc0 | cd is good idea, it doesnt need codecs |
| 16:48.00 | valdyn_ | inc0: cd doesnt even need a sound card |
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| 16:48.10 | valdyn_ | inc0: depending on how you play |
| 16:48.23 | Dagger3 | acu: it's quite useful if you, say, accidentally firewall yourself out on v4 -- just log in over v6. and not having NAT has many obvious advantages |
| 16:48.56 | acu | Dagger: Ok so what you are sayin is this - install the workstations with both - ipv4 and ipv6 and you can access them remotely through ipv6 (therefore avoiding rerouting trafic etc on ipv4) that is a good one - |
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| 16:49.23 | valdyn_ | acu: ipv6 opens a new can of worms security-wise, you dont want that |
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| 16:50.27 | jicko3 | would you recommend a fsck on any HD partition on a laptop every <40 mounts? (as it is set up by default) |
| 16:50.33 | acu | Dagger3: and those ipv6 I can get from ? |
| 16:51.00 | inc0 | hmm |
| 16:51.05 | inc0 | cd doesnt work eighter |
| 16:51.29 | inc0 | speed is 3 or 4 times faster than normal |
| 16:51.35 | inc0 | speed of playback that is |
| 16:52.41 | Dagger3 | acu: you can get a tunnel from www.tunnelbroker.net (they do proto41 tunnels; you can also try www.sixxs.net for tunnels over UDP, but sixxs are a pain to get tunnels from. use TB if you can) |
| 16:52.51 | acu | inc0: I forgot to fix those issues - as you have seen from valdyn correcting me - I know if you have two sound servers they may conflict - but I do not remember which etc |
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| 16:53.37 | acu | Dagger3: do you know how much it costs ? |
| 16:53.59 | acu | are they stuck to an IPV4 or I can move them around ? |
| 16:54.00 | Dagger3 | acu: both TB and sixxs are free |
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| 16:54.11 | inc0 | well I think I have pulse, and I'm sure I have alsa |
| 16:54.22 | inc0 | but I ran alsa with linux-sound-base |
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| 16:54.45 | valdyn_ | sixxs is fine, they just let you show some technical "expertise" |
| 16:55.06 | valdyn_ | or you could say they let you jump through some hoops |
| 16:55.15 | acu | inc0: if you are still around - I can dustoff my rust and look exactly into it - but many people can help - |
| 16:55.16 | Dagger3 | acu: TB's tunnels are configured to a specific v4 address, but you can change that address (and there's a URL to you can ping to change it automatically) |
| 16:55.47 | Dagger3 | I assume sixxs's can be moved between v4 addresses just be restarting the client, but it's been a while since I've used them |
| 16:55.57 | inc0 | I am;) well, it might help. I'll try to verify which sound server is running atm |
| 16:56.10 | valdyn_ | Dagger3: yes they can |
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| 16:56.30 | acu | Dagger: so the advantage of ipv6 is that I can ssh or vnc remote or for a server - I can have file server on IPV6 and all the headache of trafic rerouting is removed |
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| 16:56.44 | inc0 | and its pulseaudio |
| 16:57.06 | valdyn_ | inc0: run pavucontrol |
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| 16:57.31 | inc0 | no such command, I'll try to install it |
| 16:57.35 | valdyn_ | inc0: if some program that tried to play sound does not get listed there, then its misbehaving and needs to be reconfigured to use pulseaudio |
| 16:58.48 | Dagger3 | acu: if by "traffic rerouting" you mean port-forwarding on a NAT, or whatever other crap you have to go through to get access to a server on 10.x.x.x/192.168.x.x... yeah, that's the huge advantage |
| 16:59.33 | acu | anyhow I have to make a confession - side from technical support - I have dipped more in Redhat and specially redhat derivatives like Centos lately - and I have to appreciate very much that Debian community is unbelievable organized and promising compare to other "communities" - and I did not realized that :) Actually I am more mindfull of how Debian is organized and transparent |
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| 17:00.27 | acu | Dagger3: thanks a bunch - very helpful - I think you should write and document a howto |
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| 17:00.36 | inc0 | woho, I can hear music!:P |
| 17:00.42 | acu | magic |
| 17:00.45 | zumbi | acu: thanks - good you realize it :) |
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| 17:01.14 | inc0 | in pavucontrol it turned out, that my pc speaker was priority instead of sound card |
| 17:01.19 | inc0 | tyvm guys |
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| 17:02.08 | inc0 | and mp3 works like charm |
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| 17:04.16 | acu | zumbi :) I am trying to spend my neurons on something which is build on more than 5 people, and which promise perpetuity and oppenness - I was "forced" :) to do more Redhad or derivatives since they are more widespread in the industry, and I hope/ actually I am sure that in 5 years Debian will balance - we need few true "commercial" providers of support to back it up - that is I think only reticence why big players do not use debian - anyh |
| 17:04.16 | acu | ow sorry for ranting - but I felt I need to share :) |
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| 17:04.33 | Dagger3 | acu: it's not quite a howto, but there's a bunch of us crazy guys in #ipv6 if you have any questions or need help |
| 17:05.09 | acu | Dagger3: that is what I needed man - crazy ipv6xers :) |
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| 17:06.38 | zumbi | acu: well, there are more politics than that.. redhat has lots of upstreams working on GNU code |
| 17:07.03 | zumbi | acu: while Debian already has a fork which provides comercial support, named *buntu |
| 17:07.43 | zumbi | acu: otoh, Debian is about freedom and no comercial interest, you take responsability on whatever you feel |
| 17:08.00 | zumbi | (which its not already taken by others) |
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| 17:20.01 | speak | can't find anything on MPEG4 or xvid being slowed down on any platform *loses it* |
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| 17:30.53 | hotwings | valdyn_ / somiaj thanks.. just got your replies now |
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| 17:37.53 | helo | can anyone think of a zero-disk-usage way of turning the screen blue by writing to the framebuffer? it's easy to do black by using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fb0 |
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| 17:38.31 | helo | oh, i'll just write a tiny c app that spits out the blue pixel, so i can "blue | dd of=/dev/fb0" |
| 17:38.42 | helo | almost zero disk usage :) |
| 17:39.10 | wols_ | a single byte file with blue pixel should work too no? |
| 17:39.34 | helo | i don't know how to get dd to loop back to the beginning of the file |
| 17:39.34 | hotwings | wouldnt it be easier to just set the background color instead of actually fill? |
| 17:40.00 | helo | hotwings: if i was trying to set the background color, yes :) |
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| 17:40.32 | PerfDave | helo: Why would "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fb0" touch the disk? |
| 17:40.45 | hotwings | i assumed thats what you wanted when you said turn the screen blue :) |
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| 17:41.59 | helo | PerfDave: it doesn't (did you misread something?) |
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| 17:42.39 | PerfDave | helo: Oops, my bad |
| 17:43.19 | PerfDave | yes $'\xNN' | dd of=/dev/fb0 |
| 17:43.25 | PerfDave | Where NN is the hex value you want |
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| 17:49.12 | jelly-home | PerfDave: lots of \n sneak into that stream! |
| 17:50.00 | jelly-home | tr < /dev/zero >> maybe |
| 17:50.07 | PerfDave | Oops, I thought yes didn't include a \n if you specified your own string |
| 17:50.14 | jelly-home | no |
| 17:50.16 | jelly-home | no |
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| 17:53.30 | debiantonio | 4no |
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| 17:56.41 | geekhead36 | what is a fedora distribution that is slightly easier to use than fedora but also fully selinux? |
| 17:57.08 | jelly-home | geekhead36: try asking in ##linux channel |
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| 18:09.56 | vixus | What the hell? ALSA has suddenly decided not to output sound via my headphone jack. The jack works when I'm using a different kernel (on which wifi doesn't, unfortunately) but not on this BPO kernel (which is the fastest/most functional for me.) |
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| 18:10.14 | vixus | It was working a few minutes ago and now after a reboot it doesn't |
| 18:10.31 | PerfDave | vixus: Anything in alsamixer? |
| 18:10.56 | vixus | nope, they're not muted. |
| 18:11.12 | PerfDave | Is alsactl not set to output via the jack? |
| 18:11.28 | vixus | how do I check? |
| 18:11.53 | vixus | I didn't change anything to cause this, by the way.. it just happened while I was watching videos. |
| 18:12.00 | PerfDave | Buggered if I know, TBH |
| 18:12.27 | simonlnu | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 18:12.28 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:7.6+8; sid: 1:7.6+9 |
| 18:12.30 | somiaj | vixus: have you checked your logs, parse dmesg to see if the module being brought up is having some error. Also what sound module? |
| 18:12.33 | CoolCold | hi guys |
| 18:12.40 | simonlnu | ,versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 18:12.40 | CoolCold | anyone uses fuse on squeeze? |
| 18:12.41 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny3; lenny-proposed-updates: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny4; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-13; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.11.1-1; wheezy: 2:1.11.1-1 |
| 18:12.51 | simonlnu | damn |
| 18:12.53 | CoolCold | can specifi user_id=1000 as mount option |
| 18:12.55 | vixus | somiaj: I think HD intel? |
| 18:13.03 | CoolCold | i.e. i need files to be owned by that uid |
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| 18:13.32 | somiaj | vixus: do you set your model= for your computer, it could be the newer version of the driver just needs a correct model set (its assuming a different one) |
| 18:13.45 | somiaj | CoolCold: uid=foo |
| 18:13.58 | somiaj | CoolCold: mount -t type /device /mountpoint -o uid=foo |
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| 18:14.13 | vixus | somiaj: No, I don't set the model. Can I find the correct model set somewhere? |
| 18:14.48 | somiaj | CoolCold: though it really depends on the filesystem type, this works for things like vfat, iso9660, ntfs, and various other types that don't have the standard linux primisions in the fiile system |
| 18:14.55 | vixus | somiaj: and why would this suddenly have changed? |
| 18:14.56 | somiaj | vixus: I'd ahve to look it up in google. |
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| 18:15.13 | somiaj | vixus: you upgraded kernels, maybe the module changed in that upgraded kernel. |
| 18:15.17 | CoolCold | somiaj: looks like works |
| 18:15.18 | simonlnu | what's the site again where i can recently removed packages? it's not archive.d.o ; i was just there, and it's too early. |
| 18:15.24 | simonlnu | can get* |
| 18:15.29 | CoolCold | somiaj: but i can't see that in man |
| 18:15.45 | somiaj | CoolCold: its there, look under the 'filesystem' options...its paticular to the file system |
| 18:16.03 | somiaj | CoolCold: i.e. if your mounting a vfat filesystem, look under those options |
| 18:16.22 | CoolCold | somiaj: i'm mounting fuse fs |
| 18:16.36 | simonlnu | snapshot.d.n |
| 18:17.13 | somiaj | simonlnu: http://packages.qa.debian.org ? |
| 18:17.26 | CoolCold | somiaj: anyway, thanks! |
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| 18:17.31 | somiaj | simonlnu: oh you want the package, not the info as why it was removed. |
| 18:17.34 | nvictor | holaaa :D |
| 18:17.40 | nvictor | how do i chain commands ? |
| 18:17.56 | nvictor | i want to add an entry to the cron table |
| 18:18.15 | somiaj | nvictor: what do you mean, both ; and && work in bash. You could also write a script and call that script form the crontable |
| 18:18.17 | nvictor | and i must first go into the specified folder |
| 18:18.21 | somiaj | nvictor: how often do you want this script to run? |
| 18:18.32 | nvictor | somiaj: every, umm, say 15min :) |
| 18:18.59 | somiaj | nvictor: well I would write a script. there is a /etc/cron.hourly but that isn't every 15min |
| 18:19.08 | cmdbbq | i am having somee difficulty with the nouveau driver in stable. it appears to work fine while the machine is connected to an old monitor, however the intended setup for the machine is to an hd lcd tv which shows the system bios then grub then begins to load then the screen reports "mode not supported" can anyone point me in the right direction to learning if nouveau will support the tv? |
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| 18:19.19 | somiaj | nvictor: if you put scripts in those dirs you don't have to update the crontab, but if not just write a simple shell script and call that from your crontab |
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| 18:19.58 | somiaj | cmdbbq: disable framebuffers. Also are you connencting via hdmi or a vga port? |
| 18:20.01 | nvictor | somiaj: ok, thanks |
| 18:20.02 | CyON | hai guys !! since when I upgraded my ubuntu 11.4 to 11.10 I cant play audio file when I roll over the mouse on the file ! I used to play like this in older versions of ubuntu can any one tell me how to FIX this ? |
| 18:20.07 | cmdbbq | somiaj: |
| 18:20.11 | cmdbbq | somiaj: vga |
| 18:20.15 | somiaj | CyON: #ubuntu |
| 18:20.30 | somiaj | cmdbbq: check the specs for your tv, they usually limit the resolutions accepted for those ports for some silly reason |
| 18:21.00 | somiaj | cmdbbq: I can't even get full 1080p on my vga port and have to use hdmi. I just think you are outputting a video resolution not supported. So you'll have to fix your video resolution. |
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| 18:21.05 | cmdbbq | somiaj: i have previously had the display set at 1920x1080, and i would like to get that set up again |
| 18:22.00 | CyON | somiaj : can u tell the ubuntu's latest ver channel |
| 18:22.03 | somiaj | cmdbbq: can y ou check your xorg.log see what relosution its trying to set, then see if you can adjust it. |
| 18:22.11 | wols_ | !tell CyON about ubuntuirc |
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| 18:23.06 | somiaj | cmdbbq: maybe you are luckly and your vga port can accept full 1080p resolutions, so then just make sure nouvenu is set to use it. I personally use the non-free drivers here so I don't have much experience with it. |
| 18:23.19 | CyON | wols_: ;) |
| 18:23.45 | nvictor | somiaj: they are separated by tabs? the entries? |
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| 18:23.51 | nvictor | is that mandatory? |
| 18:24.05 | somiaj | nvictor: what enteries? The script should use newline between commands |
| 18:24.28 | nvictor | somiaj: no i mean the crontab entries |
| 18:24.39 | somiaj | nvictor: for crontab I think any witespace is fine, I just use spaces but afiak it will also view tabs as whitespace |
| 18:24.43 | nvictor | when i did crontab -e, it says it can't install it because of errors |
| 18:25.01 | nvictor | mm, let's see what i did wrong |
| 18:25.04 | buhman | if I know that Foo public key is Bar, can I download and add that key to bar using some sort of automagic public key lookup service? |
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| 18:25.20 | vixus | this is ridiculous |
| 18:25.29 | nvictor | somiaj: ok corrected my error o/ |
| 18:25.38 | nvictor | i mean \o/ |
| 18:25.41 | nvictor | :lol: |
| 18:25.44 | nvictor | see you guys |
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| 18:26.26 | hip0 | someone has experience with elgg |
| 18:26.40 | cmdbbq | somiaj: it appears to try a range of resolutions starting with 1920x1080 at several different refresh rates |
| 18:26.41 | buhman | hip0: probably |
| 18:27.09 | buhman | cmdbbq: on a CRT or something? |
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| 18:27.28 | somiaj | cmdbbq: what resolution is the driver trying to use? your xorg log should tell you that. |
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| 18:27.45 | buhman | "refresh rates" and resolutions like "1920x1080" probably shouldn't be used in the same sentence |
| 18:28.16 | buhman | makes negligible difference on non-crt's |
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| 18:29.21 | cmdbbq | buhman: the tv is a samsung lcd, a few years old |
| 18:31.02 | buhman | cmdbbq: which is relevant to what I just said how? |
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| 18:31.20 | buhman | cmdbbq: if you're driving a lcd with vga, you should just run at ~60hz |
| 18:31.23 | cmdbbq | somiaj: the log makes reference to numerous resolutions in the format: (II) NOUVEAU(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x59.9 and so on with more groups of numbers +hsync -v |
| 18:31.30 | dbb | in debian wheezy, how can I change my default shell from dash to bash ? |
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| 18:31.39 | buhman | dbb: isn't it already bash? |
| 18:32.08 | dbb | libtool is failing like crazy on a project, because something calls through dash instead of bash, and all the '+=' lines fial |
| 18:32.10 | cmdbbq | buhman: i guess i am having trouble following you |
| 18:32.21 | dbb | FAIL |
| 18:32.35 | dbb | :-( |
| 18:32.38 | helo | the system shell is dash, the user shell is still bash right? |
| 18:32.54 | cmdbbq | buhman: you asked if i was running an old crt, both monitors i have access to (the tv and the backup) are lcd |
| 18:32.57 | dbb | I suspect thats true, but I cant say |
| 18:33.13 | buhman | cmdbbq: no, I asked why you were playing with refresh rates on an lcd |
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| 18:33.40 | somiaj | cmdbbq: that is just saying the modes it supports, what is the one its actually using? do you configure this in your xorg.conf file? |
| 18:34.04 | babilen | dbb: The script is broken then as it should contain "#!/bin/bash" and not "#!/bin/sh" -- Use "chsh" to change your user's default shell or set the system default with "dpkg-reconfigure dash" -- It would be preferrable to fix the scripts though. |
| 18:34.28 | somiaj | dbb: the default shell is dash for system things, the default user shell is bash. ls -l /bin/sh to see what /bin/sh points too (it should be dash) |
| 18:34.33 | dbb | babilen: the top line of the emitted libtool file says /bin/bash, but something calls it with dash |
| 18:34.35 | Joelito | question: using qt4-qtconfig, where can I save the themes so I change the QT4 widget styles? |
| 18:34.37 | babilen | dbb: Where system default == /bin/sh link |
| 18:34.50 | cmdbbq | buhman: oh, i follow you now |
| 18:35.02 | babilen | dbb: Something is buggy then :-/ |
| 18:35.04 | cmdbbq | buhman: i was just reading the info in the logs |
| 18:35.20 | kingsley | In lyx, after doing insert->list/TOC->Table of Contents, how do you fill in the table with parts, sections, subsections, etc...? |
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| 18:35.22 | dbb | I am going to try the reconfigure thng |
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| 18:36.08 | babilen | dbb: Programs that rely on the addumption that /bin/sh == /bin/bash are broken. It is as easy as that, but sometimes hard to find the culprit. You can work around this issue by satisfying this assumption, but finding the cause would be better IMHO |
| 18:36.19 | babilen | *assumption |
| 18:36.42 | cmdbbq | somiaj: i have not configured it in the xorg file, i am currently using a fall back xorg from the Nouveau site that, as I grok it, allows the driver to auto-detect the settings. if i manually enter it into xorg to use the resolution i desire, this should allow the tv to detect/display the output? |
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| 18:38.02 | dbb | babilen: you are right - libtool 2.4 is broken on wheezy |
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| 18:38.28 | nvictor | somiaj: oh hai again :) |
| 18:38.58 | nvictor | somiaj: what can i do to avoid writing 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 for every five mins? |
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| 18:40.01 | llutz | nvictor: */5 |
| 18:40.03 | dbb | anyway, dpkg-reconfigure dash got the build ot work.. so you are right again babilen, it was dash |
| 18:40.08 | babilen | dbb: File a bug then (if that has not been done already) -- Please also note that there is a specific channel for sid/wheezy support on irc.oftc.net named #debian-next |
| 18:40.12 | nvictor | llutz: thanks |
| 18:40.25 | nvictor | llutz: what does the / mean? |
| 18:40.38 | babilen | dbb: Wonderful -- Please keep this change in mind as you might want to revert it in due course. |
| 18:40.52 | llutz | nvictor: its the syntax (man 5 crontab) |
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| 18:41.54 | tensorpudding | forwarding bugs is fun :) |
| 18:42.08 | karsten | What's the command that's used to parse out mail headers? It can match specific header lines with / without the header (eg: From: | Date:, etc.)? |
| 18:42.11 | nvictor | llutz: oh do i redirect to null? |
| 18:42.18 | nvictor | llutz: the output |
| 18:45.05 | karsten | Answer: formail (part of procmail). |
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| 18:45.08 | nvictor | ah found it |
| 18:45.12 | karsten | (to my own question). |
| 18:45.12 | nvictor | o/ |
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| 18:46.06 | karsten | kingsley: That's sort of a lyx-specific question (or LaTeX specific question). I suepect it happens when you actually build the doc to be published. |
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| 18:51.07 | babilen | karsten: Please do not cross-post :) |
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| 18:56.04 | ni1s | is there any way to have apt also install a package corresponing -dev part? |
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| 19:00.15 | somiaj | ni1s: just install the dev lib, it will install the normal lib with it |
| 19:00.24 | somiaj | ni1s: so apt-get install libfoo-dev |
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| 19:01.16 | nvictor | oh hai :D |
| 19:01.35 | nvictor | what does the ampersand after the redirection command really mean? |
| 19:01.51 | nvictor | can't find any good explanation, seems people been just using it... |
| 19:02.06 | nvictor | like in 2>&1 |
| 19:02.24 | somiaj | nvictor: 2> means redirect stderr |
| 19:02.41 | somiaj | nvictor: you can redirect it anywhere, &1 means stdout |
| 19:02.47 | somiaj | (as oposed to a file named 1) |
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| 19:07.51 | shrimants | how do i burn a debian netinst ISO to USB drive? I tried unetbootin and that failed because it doesnt detect my cd rom |
| 19:08.06 | shrimants | oh how do i do it *within windows* |
| 19:08.13 | wols_ | shrimants: simply dd over the iso file |
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| 19:08.48 | shrimants | in windows? |
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| 19:09.00 | shrimants | i'd have to install and configure cygwin and then find dd |
| 19:09.11 | shrimants | there isnt just some random windows dd-ish utility |
| 19:09.13 | shrimants | ? |
| 19:09.23 | karsten | babilen: Um, what makes you think I'm cross-posting? |
| 19:09.27 | wols_ | dd of=\\.\PhysicalDrive2 ? |
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| 19:09.39 | babilen | karsten: Sorry, not you, but kingsley |
| 19:09.43 | shrimants | windows doesnt have dd >.> |
| 19:09.47 | babilen | !tell shrimants -about usb install |
| 19:10.11 | karsten | shrimants: It does if you add it. htp://www.cygwin.com |
| 19:10.12 | babilen | shrimants: You have to rename the .iso to .img as Windows is a bit, well, anal about file extensions. |
| 19:10.14 | ompaul | shrimants: we tend not to know windows well, been off it for years :) |
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| 19:10.24 | karsten | shrimants: You can anlso find dd-like utilities for Windows. |
| 19:10.36 | karsten | shrimants: ... but that's really not oru problem here. |
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| 19:10.44 | wols_ | shrimants: outside of cygwin |
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| 19:10.51 | babilen | shrimants: Just use the image writer linked in the factoid dpkg just told you about. |
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| 19:11.21 | shrimants | babilen: will that work for .img files only or will it work for the iso |
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| 19:12.06 | babilen | shrimants: As I said: Just rename the file and it'll work. (I haven't used that tool, but that was the feedback I/We've got) |
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| 19:12.46 | Emosexual | hi |
| 19:12.48 | shrimants | oh rename .iso to .img and use win32imgwriter |
| 19:12.52 | shrimants | gotcha |
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| 19:13.02 | karsten | ni1s: What's your interest in the -dev stuff? If you're building something specific and need to drag over dev libraries, you can use auto-apt's 'file' option, which is crazy scary wicked cool. |
| 19:13.20 | jhutchins_lt | shrimants: Actually if someone were to READ THE DIRECTIONS, there is a Windows utility to apply the USB image. |
| 19:13.20 | babilen | shrimants: exactly :) Good luck! |
| 19:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 19:13.25 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 19:14.03 | babilen | !tell shrimants -about win32-loader |
| 19:14.05 | babilen | !tell shrimants -about win32-loader.exe |
| 19:14.11 | jhutchins_lt | If someone were to READ THE WHOLE SCROLLBUFFER, he'd save himself a lot of embarassment. |
| 19:14.17 | Emosexual | I just installed Debian on an iMac G3, and I want the International English Keyboard layout.. however, Mac keyboard doesn't have the alt key. How can I do Alt + GR for accents if my mac keyboard doesn't have alt. The apple key isn't working either. |
| 19:14.26 | babilen | shrimants: Those two might come in handy as well |
| 19:14.33 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: hehe :) |
| 19:14.59 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: reading is overrated |
| 19:15.20 | karsten | jhutchins_lt: Where's the sport in that? |
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| 19:16.04 | ompaul | wols_: only if you don't do it. ;-) |
| 19:16.04 | shrimants | thanks babilen |
| 19:16.17 | shrimants | im attempting to switch over from archlinux |
| 19:16.29 | shrimants | testing the various other waters and whatnot |
| 19:16.31 | frozencemetery | Emosexual: does that machine have an option key? |
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| 19:16.48 | frozencemetery | because very likely that will be the alt, if the command key isn't |
| 19:16.49 | Chance | hi all, whats up with the insserv: warning: script 'service' missing LSB tags and overrides in debian 6.0 |
| 19:16.50 | Chance | ? |
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| 19:17.07 | wols_ | !tell Chance about lsb tags |
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| 19:17.24 | Emosexual | yes frozencemetery |
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| 19:18.02 | Chance | wols_ nice one thanks |
| 19:18.29 | wols_ | pats dpkg |
| 19:18.33 | wols_ | dpkg: good bot |
| 19:18.33 | dpkg | wols_: :) |
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| 19:22.49 | qwer | Hello. Is there a very simple video editing program for debian? I just want to extract a little part of a video. |
| 19:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | Emosexual: Alt might be mod+option (not sure if mod is shift or what). My Option key is marked alt above option |
| 19:22.57 | ni1s | for a user to be able to have a crontab, does that user need to be part of the cron group, the crontab group, or both? |
| 19:23.05 | jhutchins_lt | qwer: avidemux |
| 19:23.20 | qwer | jhutchins_lt: thx |
| 19:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | ni1s: afik none of the above. |
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| 19:24.25 | ni1s | right, thanks |
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| 19:25.01 | qwer | avidemux doesn't support ogv :( |
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| 19:35.16 | quebra | hi, can i somehow install PlayDeb on Debian ? |
| 19:35.27 | babilen | What is PlayDeb? |
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| 19:35.56 | quebra | http://www.playdeb.net/welcome/ |
| 19:36.00 | zykotick9 | babilen, 3rd party game repo inteded for ubuntu |
| 19:36.08 | quebra | yeah and i love games |
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| 19:37.16 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 19:37.16 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 19:37.21 | notrev | quebra, read this: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/3-applications-resources-to-discover-install-awesome-linux-games/ |
| 19:37.31 | quebra | ok |
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| 19:41.42 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 19:41.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I set up persistent VNC sessions? |
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| 19:43.06 | HardDisk_WP | i've tried to follow some tutorials based on xinetd, but all terminate the session once I close the vnc viewer |
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| 19:43.16 | HardDisk_WP | and the desktop itself is massively messed |
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| 19:43.47 | danols_work | hi any idea why du -h would return 3.3G total but df -h says drive is still full ? |
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| 19:44.10 | danols_work | the total size on this vpn is 16g |
| 19:44.27 | danols_work | so there should be plenty of space left --- is it fragmented or needs a parittion check ? |
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| 19:44.39 | quebra | notrev: i've installed playdeb but i have command not found when i type 'playdeb' |
| 19:44.42 | quebra | :( |
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| 19:46.25 | valdyn_ | danols_work: you just deleted a large file? |
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| 19:48.47 | Chance | is there a way to control the fan power in debian ? |
| 19:49.04 | valdyn_ | HardDisk_WP: vnc sessions are always persistent, unless you close the session explitely. |
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| 19:49.34 | Chance | maybe /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ ? |
| 19:49.35 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn_, this must be a side effect of starting it via xinetd, then... though i already removed the -once |
| 19:49.45 | jicko3 | is it recommended to fsck each partition on a laptop's HDD every < 40 mounts? (the way which is Debian configured by default) |
| 19:49.51 | valdyn_ | HardDisk_WP: the only thing those xinetd things to is to start a new session after you closed the old one |
| 19:50.03 | frikinz | Chance: yes if you have trip points that you can modify |
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| 19:51.15 | valdyn_ | jicko3: who cares? |
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| 19:51.42 | valdyn_ | jicko3: just do your daily backups, if the backup cant be done then you know that you need an fsck |
| 19:52.11 | valdyn_ | jicko3: that fsck is not really very useful |
| 19:52.21 | jicko3 | jicko3: how are you doing backups? duplicity? |
| 19:52.28 | DasEi | Chance: you can try fancontrol if your chipset is supported |
| 19:52.33 | jicko3 | I mean valdyn ;) |
| 19:52.35 | valdyn_ | jicko3: backuppc |
| 19:52.35 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn_, i followed this tutorial: http://www.stuartellis.eu/articles/vnc-on-linux/#persistent-desktops |
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| 19:53.18 | Chance | DasEi where can i get some more info about it ? |
| 19:53.50 | HardDisk_WP | and the xinetd file is 3BRABMjJ |
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| 19:53.54 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.com/3BRABMjJ |
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| 19:54.52 | jicko3 | valdyn: are you really doing incremental backups every day on your laptop? |
| 19:54.54 | valdyn_ | HardDisk_WP: being persistent across reconnects is default behaviour of vncserver, he's not modifying that |
| 19:55.15 | valdyn_ | jicko3: i did, but my laptop no longer exists. I dont have one now |
| 19:55.20 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn_, so why does the session terminate after i close vncviewer? o_O |
| 19:55.27 | DasEi | Chance: install lmsensors and see if the corresponding modules btw sensors are found |
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| 19:55.35 | wuffi600 | hi all. |
| 19:55.46 | HardDisk_WP | tried both with -once and without -once in the command line |
| 19:55.46 | valdyn_ | HardDisk_WP: maybe your way to close vncviewer is terminating your X session |
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| 19:56.29 | jicko3 | valdyn_: backuppc seems pretty sophisticated. Will have a look on it. Thanks for the hint |
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| 19:57.00 | Chance | DasEi installed fancontrol but E: Unable to locate package lmsensors |
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| 19:57.24 | Chance | is it lm-sensors by any chance ? |
| 19:57.51 | DasEi | Chance: yup |
| 19:58.04 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn_, simply closing the connection should not terminate the vnc session, imho... and the messed up colors remain => http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8450/vnct.png |
| 19:58.08 | ws2k3 | is it possible to get an overview to see which proces is using howmuch data traffic |
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| 19:58.19 | Chance | DasEi done with success now ? |
| 19:58.23 | wuffi600 | i've have just upgraded from lenny tpo squeeze. is there a way to find out if there are old lenny packages still installed? maybe using some aptitude command? |
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| 19:58.38 | HardDisk_WP | i already disabled compression and encoding in my vnc client, doesnt help |
| 19:58.42 | ws2k3 | is it possible to get an overview to see which proces is using how much data traffic eatch proces is using |
| 19:58.44 | babilen | jicko3: /me recommends dirvish |
| 19:58.49 | Chance | DasEi sensors-detect ? |
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| 19:59.15 | babilen | wuffi600: /msg dpkg not available |
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| 19:59.28 | DasEi | Chance: yes |
| 19:59.30 | pishi_naznazi136 | i've installed ubuntu on a virtual box and shared a folder from host operation system. i've mounted that folder somewhere through root mode, but when i try to access that directory through normal account it says permission is denied. how can i configure it for accessing those files with normal accounts? |
| 19:59.32 | babilen | wuffi600: (Assuming that you do not have lenny in your sources.list) |
| 19:59.41 | valdyn_ | pishi_naznazi136: wrong channel |
| 19:59.51 | babilen | pishi_naznazi136: You want #ubuntu not #debian |
| 19:59.59 | jelly-home | pishi_naznazi136: or ##linux perhaps |
| 20:00.09 | jelly-home | pishi_naznazi136: or #vbox |
| 20:00.25 | DasEi | chance:it's just to get an idea of chipset, see : http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed |
| 20:00.28 | wuffi600 | babilen. yes there are no lenny-sources any more in sources-file. Thank you very much for your excellent hint. |
| 20:00.35 | jelly-home | pishi_naznazi136: or read VirtualBox' manual |
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| 20:00.40 | pishi_naznazi136 | doesn't makes differences. ubnutu is the child of debian. ppl there didn't answer me |
| 20:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 20:00.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:00.59 | jelly-home | pishi_naznazi136: it matters to users of Debian. You won't get an answer here. |
| 20:01.07 | frozencemetery | well then ubuntu needs to find better reps for their channel. sorry and have a nice day. |
| 20:01.12 | AphelionZ | I'm trying to use apt-add-repository but my system still doesnt have it installed, even after I sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-software-properties && sudo dpkg-reconfigure python-software-properties |
| 20:01.17 | AphelionZ | what can I try next/ |
| 20:01.17 | babilen | wuffi600: Thank themill who came up with that insanity -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579603 |
| 20:01.20 | pishi_naznazi136 | ok |
| 20:01.20 | Chance | DasEi sadly Sorry, no sensors were detected. but strange my server is full of fans is a HP ProLiant DL380 G4 |
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| 20:01.29 | pishi_naznazi136 | i've installed debian on a virtual box and shared a folder from host operation system. i've mounted that folder somewhere through root mode, but when i try to access that directory through normal account it says permission is denied. how can i configure it for accessing those files with normal accounts? |
| 20:01.40 | ws2k3 | is it possible to get an overview to see which proces is using how much data traffic eatch proces is using |
| 20:01.43 | jicko3 | babilen: looks also nice. I'll think about which to use |
| 20:01.49 | jelly-home | pishi_naznazi136: which debian release are you using? |
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| 20:02.03 | pishi_naznazi136 | squeeze jelly-home |
| 20:02.04 | HardDisk_WP | ws2k3, no but using iftop you can at least look to which hosts the traffic is going |
| 20:02.09 | themill | wuffi600: actually, if you're just wanting to see what's left over from lenny, /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 20:02.22 | babilen | jicko3: I like browsable backups and dirvish is working nice for everyhting I need it to do. |
| 20:02.22 | DasEi | Chance: can try given suggestions then, never tried on a Proliant (used to be in server rooms?!) |
| 20:02.25 | HardDisk_WP | and then use netstat -np to find out the process (or -lnp if it's server processes) |
| 20:02.29 | babilen | themill: hehe, right :) |
| 20:02.46 | jelly-home | pishi_naznazi136: please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 virtualbox\*" and "uname -a" in the guest |
| 20:02.57 | babilen | themill: I am just so fond of your insanity ;) |
| 20:02.58 | jicko3 | babilen: are you sure of backuppc not being capable of it? |
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| 20:03.12 | themill | babilen: I'm not insane! I just talk to myself occasionally... |
| 20:03.23 | Chance | DasEi its in a server room but there are like 3 of them there and only one does a lot of noise |
| 20:03.28 | babilen | jicko3: No |
| 20:03.32 | jelly-home | Chance: use HP's Proliant-specific tools, and iLO management web UI |
| 20:03.35 | valdyn_ | jicko3: backuppc is superior to dirvish in all ways except for simplicity |
| 20:03.44 | babilen | hehe |
| 20:03.47 | tensorpudding | is zfs coming to debian anytime soon? |
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| 20:03.55 | babilen | tensorpudding: no |
| 20:04.06 | tensorpudding | there's the native kernel module |
| 20:04.07 | jelly-home | Chance: you REALLY want to read about and setup and use iLO, it's a great feature |
| 20:04.08 | valdyn_ | jicko3: but dont get me wrong, i like dirvish too, and ive been using it for a long time |
| 20:04.11 | babilen | tensorpudding: Or rather: It is already available in kfreebsd |
| 20:04.19 | tensorpudding | i know that it is |
| 20:04.26 | valdyn_ | jicko3: but its not suitable for many things that backuppc is suitable for |
| 20:04.26 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: problem solved! |
| 20:04.31 | tensorpudding | but kfreebsd isn't really the same thing |
| 20:04.36 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: it's Debian. |
| 20:04.39 | Chance | jelly-home definatly |
| 20:04.43 | tensorpudding | okay, that's true |
| 20:05.00 | tensorpudding | is it ever coming to debian linux |
| 20:05.07 | tensorpudding | excluding the fuse plugin |
| 20:05.09 | frikinz | ws2k3: theres also a package called nethogs |
| 20:05.23 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: more likely not than yes |
| 20:05.31 | tensorpudding | any reason? |
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| 20:05.42 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: undistributability of binaries |
| 20:05.45 | jicko3 | valdyn: hmm... one point that speaks for dirvish is that it is based on rsync, what is very sophisticated. What are the main features you miss on dirvish? |
| 20:05.53 | jicko3 | valdyn_ ^^ |
| 20:05.56 | babilen | tensorpudding: It will not happen due to licensing issues |
| 20:06.02 | daemonkeeper | tensorpudding: ZFS will never be part of Linux, presuming Oracle does not relicense it. However Debian /has/ native ZFS support in Debian kfreebsd. |
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| 20:06.25 | tensorpudding | to my understanding, you're not allowed to distribute the derived work of the driver |
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| 20:06.31 | valdyn_ | jicko3: the main problem with dirvish is that you may get an excessive number of files over time if you keep many backups |
| 20:06.49 | daemonkeeper | tensorpudding: Short answer is: ZFS is CDDL, Linux is GPL and they are not compatible to each other. |
| 20:07.00 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: the best you can hope for is foo-source style packages like pine and qmail used to have, that download the source and build packages out of it |
| 20:07.06 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn_, foudn the error: wait = no |
| 20:07.06 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.11 | tensorpudding | jelly-home, yes, that's what i was expecting |
| 20:07.18 | babilen | Speaking of backups -- Did anybody play with liw's obnam yet? |
| 20:07.20 | jicko3 | daemonkeeper: what? you think Oracle won't relicense it? In the past Oracle always seemed like freeing all their stuff and cooperating with the free software community |
| 20:07.24 | tensorpudding | just wondering if anyone had tried to make such packages |
| 20:07.25 | ws2k3 | frikins nethogs dont support UDP packages |
| 20:07.31 | valdyn_ | jicko3: but its perfectly fine for a backup solution for single hosts |
| 20:07.37 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: sounds like a nice project |
| 20:07.40 | Chance | jelly-home interesting reading something about the web interface that the iLO is actually requesting a dhcp ip address from the server, now i have to find out all the dhcp ip addresses leases |
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| 20:07.47 | daemonkeeper | jicko3: err, do we talk about the same Oracle? I don't think so :> |
| 20:07.49 | tensorpudding | i dunno |
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| 20:07.57 | ws2k3 | frikinz: and the problem is its UDP traffic @ port 80 i discovered that with iptraf |
| 20:08.00 | tensorpudding | having tried to get involved with debian packaging makes me want to run debian again |
| 20:08.07 | daemonkeeper | jicko3: Also, Oracle has Solaris, no point in supporting Linux. |
| 20:08.12 | tensorpudding | but my server is dependent on zfs |
| 20:08.15 | jelly-home | Chance: I _think_ iLO is a separate port on a 380 G4, is it even connected? |
| 20:08.15 | jicko3 | daemonkeeper: sorry for not marking the irony, it's sometimes useful in chats :) |
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| 20:08.27 | daemonkeeper | jicko3: :> |
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| 20:08.34 | AphelionZ | why would aptitude install python-software-properties not install apt-add-repository? |
| 20:08.36 | tensorpudding | i guess i could do debian/kfreebsd instead though |
| 20:08.38 | babilen | tensorpudding: Use a platform that supports it then. If you want Debian kfreebsd is the way to go. |
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| 20:09.00 | tensorpudding | there's nothing saying that you can't use zfs on linux |
| 20:09.04 | jelly-home | Chance: yeah, by default it's configured to use dhcp. you can reconfigure it on the console or if you manage to connect to it ;-) |
| 20:09.14 | ogzy | hi, i want to set suphp at my squeeze install, apache2 and mod_php is installed currently, i want to set suphp for a vhost, what should i do? |
| 20:09.22 | tensorpudding | you just can't distribute a compiled driver linked to the kernel |
| 20:09.39 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I've seen kfreebsd-image-10-amd64 packages -- Do you have any idea what they are about? |
| 20:09.53 | babilen | should probably take it to -kbsd |
| 20:09.56 | tensorpudding | well, i'll consider kbsd |
| 20:10.00 | valdyn_ | jicko3: rsync is just a low level tool, most backup systems use the typical tools like rsync |
| 20:10.05 | tensorpudding | freebsd is fun though |
| 20:10.06 | Chance | jelly-home is there a way to find out it's mac ? |
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| 20:10.22 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Not sure where you found that, but Robert uploaded -10 to experimental recently. Eventually someone made Wheezy images out of it. |
| 20:10.36 | jelly-home | Chance: there's a card on the machine front somewhere |
| 20:10.41 | IRsee | hotcopy makes images of the file system that you can mount and rsync from and all kinds of stuff. |
| 20:10.46 | daemonkeeper | babilen: At least it wasn't announced on debian-bsd@ |
| 20:10.53 | jicko3 | valdyn_: I think I will use backuppc, its also more common for Debian users according to popcon |
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| 20:11.07 | valdyn_ | jicko3: the bigger systems need to support deduplication in better ways than dirvish does though |
| 20:11.08 | babilen | daemonkeeper: yeah, in experimental -- i am just not sure what they are for and how they relate to kfreebsd |
| 20:11.16 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Well, its the kernel := |
| 20:11.23 | jelly-home | Chance: never seen a 380G4, just 380G3 and 360G4p and *G[567], not sure where's the card _exactly_ |
| 20:11.39 | valdyn_ | jicko3: its more complex, but im sure debian is used in alot of scenarios where you want to backup 5 or more systems on one backup system |
| 20:11.46 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Ok, but what is the difference between a system that was initially amd64 with that kernel and kfreebsd |
| 20:11.59 | valdyn_ | jicko3: thats where backuppc can shine or bacula can shine, its probably not your use case though |
| 20:12.17 | Chance | jelly the card is in the back and all i got to find is the iLO's mac address then i can assign some ip address from my dhcp server |
| 20:12.30 | jicko3 | valdyn_: I think your're right. At the moment I am just administering three workstations (mine and two of relatives) but maybe in the future |
| 20:12.32 | valdyn_ | jicko3: so what im saying is dirvish or backuppc wont make that much of a diffrence for a single laptop to back up |
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| 20:12.34 | jicko3 | I need it |
| 20:12.38 | babilen | daemonkeeper: They've just met my eye and I though -- "Yeah, funky. Debian is marvellous" but am not entirely sure what the target audience for these packages is. |
| 20:12.50 | peterS | Chance: probably starts with 00:14:C2, anyway. if you see DHCP leases from MACs that start with that.... |
| 20:12.50 | babilen | *thought |
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| 20:13.03 | valdyn_ | jicko3: for 3 i would already throw away dirvish |
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| 20:13.17 | valdyn_ | jicko3: at least of 2 of those run the same stuff / OS |
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| 20:13.49 | jelly-home | Chance: well you can start a dhcp server and see what comes up :-) |
| 20:14.04 | jicko3 | valdyn_: all Debian |
| 20:14.05 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Not sure what's the point of your question is. Its (yet another) kernel package, e.g. like linux-image-2.6.32 vs linux-image-3.0.0 |
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| 20:14.33 | Chance | ok lets see |
| 20:14.38 | jicko3 | valdyn_: what about bacula? |
| 20:15.12 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Sure. But given that I install that package I will suddenly run a kfreebsd kernel, won't I? How does this relate to the userspace and why wouldn't I just install kfreebsd instead? |
| 20:15.13 | valdyn_ | jicko3: bacula is to arcane for me, i had no motivation to learn it at all |
| 20:15.34 | daemonkeeper | babilen: You mean because of arch: amd64? |
| 20:15.42 | babilen | daemonkeeper: exactly |
| 20:15.50 | valdyn_ | jicko3: its very old and that makes the terminolog and the weird stuff you get to do when not backing up to tape feel alien |
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| 20:16.10 | frikinz | ws2k3: looks like nethogs only properly supports tcp, even if the changelog says udp. it also doesn't see say igmp.. |
| 20:16.19 | jicko3 | valdyn_: I definitely want a system that supports D2D2T |
| 20:16.45 | valdyn_ | jicko3: whatever that means |
| 20:17.06 | jelly-home | disk to (staging area) disk to (streaming) tape |
| 20:17.13 | Chance | jelly interesting seems like iLO not even active atm need to check at boot brb |
| 20:17.32 | valdyn_ | jicko3: I wouldnt bother with tapes |
| 20:17.36 | jicko3 | valdyn_: it's a nice feature that also backuppc is capable of (in fact, I learned about it shortly after you suggested the program :) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/D2D2T |
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| 20:17.41 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Oh, I see. Good question actually, I am not sure what they are for :> |
| 20:17.57 | jelly-home | Chance: unplug the machine completely, wait a minute at least, plug it back -- if it's configured to do DHCP it should try to get an address |
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| 20:18.07 | daemonkeeper | I am pretty sure, you can't just upgrade a Linu installation to kfreebsd. |
| 20:18.09 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Alright, I'll take it to #d-kbsd |
| 20:18.11 | daemonkeeper | *Linux |
| 20:18.19 | somiaj | babilen: because then you get to use the debian packageing system and admin tools. Sure the kernel and binaries are all compiled against freebsd, but the packaging/core of the system is based on debian design. |
| 20:18.33 | peterS | somiaj: that's entirely beside the point |
| 20:18.38 | valdyn_ | jicko3: i backup to raid1 and replace disks to store one away |
| 20:18.43 | [X]Halidith | Hello, i want to know what procces takes how much traffic, i use debian in console what programs can i use? |
| 20:18.44 | somiaj | peterS: ahh must have missed the question then. (: |
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| 20:18.54 | [X]Halidith | i heard u can combine ntop and iptraffic? is that right? |
| 20:18.57 | peterS | somiaj: we have a 'kfreebsd-amd64' architecture, so why is the kfreebsd-inage-8.2-1-amd64 package provided also for architecture 'amd64'? |
| 20:19.03 | Matt` | how do I fully remove mysql? |
| 20:19.06 | jicko3 | valdyn_: lol, raid :) I want to backup laptop HDDs |
| 20:19.06 | babilen | somiaj: Indeed -- I was asking about the kfreebsd-image-10-amd64 packages on *amd64* not kfreebsd in general |
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| 20:20.05 | peterS | babilen: maybe it is intended to be installed on a xen dom0, so you can boot xen domUs with it? |
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| 20:20.20 | daemonkeeper | You won't need a special AMD64 image for that. |
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| 20:21.16 | peterS | daemonkeeper: just saying, traditionally in xen, you install the kernel images on the dom0, so they can be fed to the hypervisor by the boot loader. so the hypervisor boots the kernel directly, not via a secondary virtualized boot loader |
| 20:21.31 | valdyn_ | [X]Halidith: i dont think accounting by process id is in linux mainline |
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| 20:22.02 | daemonkeeper | peterS: Got you, but that's considered deprecated these days and not really an argument. We haven't a CentOS/Fedora etc. kernel either in Debian for this reason. |
| 20:22.21 | peterS | daemonkeeper: ... errr ... that part is true, but what I meant is, the kernel image is fed to the hypervisor by the xen tools on the dom0 |
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| 20:22.43 | babilen | Well, I've asked in #d-kbsd -- /me is curious now |
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| 20:23.06 | somiaj | babilen: ahh yea, didn't see those there. I guess if you really want the amd64 arch (it does contain packages not in debian bsd and has a little more testing one it) but for some reason prefer the kfreebsd kernel. |
| 20:23.13 | daemonkeeper | peterS: Actually you mean xen-utils I guess, but as I said: Your probably want to use pygrub/pvgrub these days. |
| 20:23.34 | peterS | possible. I don't really keep up with the xen state of the art |
| 20:23.51 | peterS | anyway, this is one possible motive for providing kfreebsd-image packages in the linux architectures |
| 20:23.53 | babilen | somiaj: But will that work? And what is the point of kfreebsd then if you could have the kfreebsd kernel with the complete amd64 userland? |
| 20:23.54 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: Its not that easy. |
| 20:23.59 | wuffi600 | themill: excellent, thank you very much |
| 20:24.38 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I couldn't imagine. There are many dependencies in the userland preventing that, including but not limited to its own libc, no udev and so on. |
| 20:24.53 | [X]Halidith | valdyn_ : well i heard u can combine 2 network monitor programs and make it will show you network traffic per procces |
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| 20:25.24 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Which is exactly the reason why I don't "get" those packages ... |
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| 20:25.30 | valdyn_ | [X]Halidith: now if you just knew which program that is? |
| 20:25.38 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Eventually someone in #kbsd will enlighten us. |
| 20:25.45 | babilen | hopefully |
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| 20:26.05 | shadow98 | if someone could look at my logrotate script that would be nice. ------>>> http://pastebin.com/GPpg6nFq trying to get prerotate working |
| 20:26.07 | Nirgal | damned, I was knock out again while upgrading a server to squeeze. Last line was "Stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager". Then nothing... :( |
| 20:26.31 | Chance | jelly there is a problem seems like i can not get into the iLO cause asks for a user and a pass and i do not have those this is when i enter with f8 at boot time\ |
| 20:26.33 | marcpv | hi, I have problem on debian 6, it does not detect my wireless card, I use a Lenovo Thinkpad Edge 13"... any idea? |
| 20:26.37 | Chance | have to reset it somehow |
| 20:26.42 | valdyn_ | Nirgal: why was network-manager running on your server? |
| 20:26.42 | N0rb | helps to use screen |
| 20:26.56 | valdyn_ | Nirgal: clearly you deserved to be punished for this at some point |
| 20:27.06 | Nirgal | valdyn_ :p |
| 20:27.15 | peterS | marcpv: first of all, is there a hardware button to enable / disable the wireless - oftentimes there is, and if there is, it might actually affect the OS at a low level where it can't even see the device |
| 20:27.30 | somiaj | daemonkeeper: yea I wasn't sure how good the linux emulation really is. |
| 20:27.32 | marcpv | peterS: no button |
| 20:27.33 | frikinz | didn't know servers had networkmanager |
| 20:27.45 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: Around 2.6.18 ~ |
| 20:27.47 | jelly-home | Chance: yeah, there's a procedure for that, I think it involves setting a jumper inside the machine and leaving it unplugged for 10 minutes |
| 20:27.57 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: It most likely won't boot a Squeeze. |
| 20:28.06 | peterS | marcpv: second, try 'lspci | grep -i network' and see if the wireless adapter is listed at all |
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| 20:28.12 | dondelelcaro | Chance: the manual for the machine will tell you what to do to reset that |
| 20:28.19 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: In fact, the most recent Linux in FreeBSD ports is Fedora 10. |
| 20:29.32 | jelly-home | Chance: also seems to be possible to do it with proliant tools if you have linux already installed, eg. http://blog.netnerds.net/2006/04/ribcl-reset-administrator-password-on-ilo/ |
| 20:29.43 | marcpv | peterS: sorry, Im not using debian right now, I tried the live version before install to check everything works |
| 20:29.58 | peterS | marcpv: then I suspect we won't be of much help here |
| 20:30.00 | marcpv | peterS: will this work on live version? |
| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | !tell Chance about proliant |
| 20:30.13 | peterS | it is hard to support things-that-are-not-debian in #debian, even if we wanted to |
| 20:30.18 | marcpv | peterS: i can reboot now |
| 20:30.51 | marcpv | (so sorry) |
| 20:30.53 | peterS | anyway, if lspci is available, you should still try it |
| 20:31.00 | peterS | on your live linux boot, I mean |
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| 20:31.11 | marcpv | ok, be right back ;) |
| 20:31.16 | peterS | (if the live image doesn't provide lspci, that's too bad, it's a pretty useful tool) |
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| 20:31.37 | _ymn | Hi, does anyone know why the pan newsreader is not in debian testing but in squeeze? |
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| 20:32.02 | valdyn_ | !why is pan not in testing |
| 20:32.03 | dpkg | pan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pan |
| 20:32.18 | _ymn | valdyn_: thank you |
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| 20:32.54 | [X]Halidith | valdyn_ : thats why i ask it here ;p maybe u guys know it, i can remember somthing like ntop and optraiffc |
| 20:33.16 | ws2k3 | iptraf halidith means |
| 20:33.27 | ws2k3 | (me and halidith work on the same issue) |
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| 20:41.58 | marcpv | hi again peterS |
| 20:42.11 | peterS | hey marcpv, any news on your wireless chip? |
| 20:42.13 | marcpv | im using debian squeeze live cd |
| 20:42.39 | marcpv | not yet, what may i type_ |
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| 20:44.07 | babilen | marcpv: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 20:49.05 | marcpv | peterS 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01) |
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| 20:50.59 | marcpv | peterS: u read that? |
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| 20:52.07 | babilen | !rtl8188ce |
| 20:52.07 | dpkg | For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-based PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>. For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-VAU-based USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>. |
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| 20:52.46 | babilen | marcpv: "/msg dpkg rtl8192ce" |
| 20:52.47 | agike | Hi, I'm setting up a new debian system and find that my USB which contains config files is not |
| 20:52.50 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:53.04 | valdyn_ | agike: hal? |
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| 20:53.38 | agike | valdyn: Its been a while since I had to do this .. |
| 20:53.45 | marcpv | babilen: please, can u explain it? |
| 20:53.52 | valdyn_ | agike: you dont need hal |
| 20:53.57 | babilen | !rtl8192ce |
| 20:53.58 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 20:54.12 | agike | valdyn: what do you suggest ? |
| 20:54.37 | valdyn_ | agike: run "lsusb" |
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| 20:54.52 | peterS | marcpv: kernel 2.6.38 is available via backports.debian.org, and the realtek firmware is in the non-free repository in a package named 'firmware-realtek', also in backports.debian.org |
| 20:54.52 | babilen | marcpv: One second please -- I will investigate the issue. |
| 20:55.09 | marcpv | ok ok thanks a lot |
| 20:55.28 | peterS | (I _think_ the squeeze/non-free version of the firmware-realtek package does not have the correct firmware file in it. so.) |
| 20:55.30 | agike | valdyn: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1005:b113 Apacer Technology, Inc. Handy Steno 2.0/HT203 |
| 20:55.46 | valdyn_ | agike: so theres your usb |
| 20:55.50 | babilen | ,versions firmware-realtek |
| 20:55.50 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.33; wheezy/non-free: 0.33 |
| 20:55.57 | agike | .. but nothing in /media |
| 20:56.31 | agike | how does one enter the fs ? |
| 20:56.40 | valdyn_ | agike: run dmesg, plug in and out your usb disk/stick/whatever, watch dmesg again, see what changes in dmesg |
| 20:57.11 | babilen | marcpv: Ok, you need to install a newer kernel and firmware for that device from backports. Please enable backports as explained on http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ and install the kernel. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) + firmware (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek) |
| 20:57.15 | agike | valdyn: hmm .. thanks |
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| 20:57.44 | babilen | marcpv: The "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" is a command that you should run in your IRC client which will send a private message to our bot dpkg |
| 20:57.58 | Chance | jelly managed to reset it now |
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| 20:59.13 | pzn | is there anyway to "simulate" a kernel panic or other thing like that. I need to simulate a machine "crash" (debian stable) inside a virtual-machine to check if the "virtual machine server" is logging critical crashes |
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| 20:59.36 | agike | valdyn: it has moved from 'address 4' to 'address 5' |
| 20:59.57 | peterS | pzn: you can force reboot the machine with no warning, with alt-sysrq-b |
| 21:00.00 | agike | valdyn: usb 1-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 |
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| 21:00.19 | valdyn_ | agike: yea, thats ok, look lower, there should be a device name, like sda or sdb |
| 21:00.31 | N0rb | fork bomb it :D |
| 21:00.39 | marcpv | im taking notesso i can fix it once installed, i am using irc chat via web by the way |
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| 21:00.58 | N0rb | but that wont crash it |
| 21:00.58 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 21:00.58 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae See also <bdo kernel lenny>. |
| 21:01.06 | babilen | marcpv: Read that ^^^^ |
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| 21:01.41 | agike | valdyn: eof, it's on the sdb drive |
| 21:01.50 | babilen | marcpv: Good luck -- Can you connect to the internet via ethernet? |
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| 21:02.11 | valdyn_ | agike: "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" shows any partitions? |
| 21:02.19 | marcpv | thanks very much to all of you... im connected right now via ethernet |
| 21:02.27 | marcpv | working with debian live |
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| 21:02.43 | marcpv | no irc chat client by default... |
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| 21:03.34 | techexo | Hi everyone :) |
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| 21:03.56 | marcpv | well, see you! thanks again, this irc chat is great |
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| 21:04.01 | babilen | marcpv: Ok, just checking as a working internet connection makes it much easier to install these package once you've installed Debian. Do you understand what you have to do now? No big problem if not as you can always come back though :) |
| 21:04.44 | techexo | I'm on Debian Sid/exp and, a few days ago, is appeared a little envelope in the notification area, wich makes an historic of all "non-closed" notifications |
| 21:04.52 | marcpv | I think i got it... i guess! |
| 21:05.32 | techexo | and I can't find out informations on this new feature |
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| 21:05.44 | agike | valdyn: lots of stuff on cylinders, bytes, devices, but nothing on how to get into the usb. In ubuntu it just pops up in /media and I can copy accross the files. I had that in a previous debian install, I think, but cannot remember how I did it then. |
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| 21:06.07 | techexo | Somone has an idea of the origin of that ? |
| 21:06.17 | valdyn_ | agike: run "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and show us the last line |
| 21:06.43 | pzn | peterS, no keyboard to press it, it is a virtual machine :-) I tought about "cat /dev/zero > /dev/mem" what do you think? |
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| 21:07.05 | karlpinc | agike: Some desktops do this. Or you can install usbmount. Better yet, listen to valdyn_. I've not read more than your last comment. |
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| 21:07.39 | valdyn_ | agike: you can do something else too, but i think your primary issue was accessing your configuration files |
| 21:09.21 | valdyn_ | pzn: use your sysreq key |
| 21:09.25 | techexo | there is obviously a link with notification-daemon, but that's a little light as information (sorry for approximate english) |
| 21:09.42 | pzn | valdyn_, it is a virtual machine, there is no keyboard |
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| 21:10.07 | valdyn_ | pzn: you can trigger the same stuff via /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 21:10.51 | glupek | Section "Device" |
| 21:10.51 | glupek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.51 | glupek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.51 | glupek | EndSection |
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| 21:11.55 | glupek | http://dpaste.com/623672/ |
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| 21:12.27 | igor47 | question: i'm trying to run a particular aptitude command on a lot of machines at once. this is a complicated package upgrade, and i need to pick the SECOND solution that aptitude offers, not the first. is there a way to do that in a script? |
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| 21:13.24 | valdyn_ | igor47: why dont you specific the solution on the aptitude command line? |
| 21:13.29 | valdyn_ | igor47: why dont you specify the solution on the aptitude command line? |
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| 21:14.23 | igor47 | what do you mean? as in, explicitly? |
| 21:14.55 | valdyn_ | igor47: if "aptitude install foo" results in a situation where you need to select the 2second solution you might aswell run "aptitude install bar1 bar2 bar3 ...barN" where bar1---barN equals that "second choice" |
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| 21:15.23 | igor47 | yeah, it's a really long command line. i thought there might be a shortcut |
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| 21:16.10 | valdyn_ | igor47: cant be to much for cut & paste, but it might suffice to specific a fraction of the total number of packages that are being upgraded |
| 21:16.56 | igor47 | been trying to find the right combo that offers me the right solution first |
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| 21:17.12 | valdyn_ | igor47: i dont think you can preselect the 2nd choice other than using a tool like "expect" to talk to aptitude |
| 21:17.36 | dondelelcaro | igor47: you can also just schedule a bunch of specific package versions to be installed, and then run the upgrade after it |
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| 21:17.40 | PerfDave | igor47: Out of interest, what is the complicated command you're doing? |
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| 21:18.51 | igor47 | i've had a custom repo with custom-built libguestfs packages for my virtualization nodes, but now libguestfs packages are in sid, so i'm trying to switch to the official ones |
| 21:18.58 | pzn | valdyn_, tks, /proc/sysrq-trigger did the job :-) |
| 21:19.07 | igor47 | this is resulting in massive upheaval |
| 21:19.13 | tensorpudding | debian/kfreebsd isn't working with unetbootin |
| 21:19.42 | AphelionZ | does anybody know how to make a fuse mount point available to all users? |
| 21:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | Has anybody figured out what triggers the problem where a unetbootin device will ask for the .iso? |
| 21:19.59 | Matt` | What's meant by "Enable Gearman in /etc/default/gearman-server "? http://toys.lerdorf.com/archives/51-Playing-with-Gearman.html |
| 21:20.27 | tensorpudding | it's annoying because it seems like unetbootin acts different every time i use it |
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| 21:20.35 | tensorpudding | now it's got this ugly grub thing |
| 21:20.46 | valdyn_ | Matt`: some services have init scripts set up properly but are just not started by default, thats what you can change |
| 21:20.49 | tensorpudding | and tries to load a kernel in ubnkern |
| 21:20.53 | agike | karlpinc, valdyn: thanks. After installing usbmount it recognises 8 usb ports, but none with a mounted fs .. |
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| 21:22.31 | Matt` | i remember having the same issue on my last server "PHP Fatal error: Class 'GearmanWorker' not found" |
| 21:22.38 | Matt` | phpinfo() says it's there :S |
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| 21:24.01 | peterS | pzn: if you haven't discovered 'echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger' yet ... there's that |
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| 21:24.17 | blauefuesse | good evening. |
| 21:24.39 | tensorpudding | the debian docs on usb install is really, really lacking |
| 21:24.53 | babilen | tensorpudding: How so? |
| 21:25.28 | tensorpudding | well |
| 21:25.37 | tensorpudding | it doesn't actually tell you what to do |
| 21:25.46 | tensorpudding | and the second section for flexible installs is empty |
| 21:25.48 | PerfDave | tensorpudding: Thanks for volunteering to improve them! |
| 21:25.56 | babilen | +1 |
| 21:26.24 | blauefuesse | how do i activate my gamepad that is attached to gameport on soundcard $ gameport 6113 3 snd_cmipci,ns558 i also have the package joystick installed but still i cannot find a solution |
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| 21:26.25 | tensorpudding | i don't actually know what belongs there |
| 21:26.30 | tensorpudding | so how am i supposed to improve it |
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| 21:26.53 | peterS | 'cp netinst.iso /dev/sdc' is not very hard. the hard part is knowing that /dev/sdc is your USB disk. (: |
| 21:26.58 | blauefuesse | ^ lsmod | grep game = gameport 6113 3 snd_cmipci,ns558 |
| 21:27.09 | tensorpudding | wait, apparently this doc problem is only for the freebsd one |
| 21:27.23 | Chance | is there a way of unpacking .scexe (firmware) files ? |
| 21:27.25 | tensorpudding | the regular debian linux ones seem fleshed out |
| 21:27.28 | Matt` | oh poop |
| 21:27.49 | Matt` | if I didn't use -p when using cp would it screw with owners/permissions? |
| 21:28.05 | valdyn_ | tensorpudding: "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" <- thats to hard? |
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| 21:28.12 | valdyn_ | tensorpudding: or doesnt work? |
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| 21:29.13 | peterS | Chance: looking for /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin from http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.32~bpo60+1_all.deb ? |
| 21:29.46 | peterS | oh sorry, that was markpv that needed that one |
| 21:29.53 | Chance | peterS no i am trying to update my proliant 380 iLO firmware |
| 21:29.56 | tensorpudding | valdyn_, it's failed for me in the past |
| 21:30.04 | tensorpudding | that's why i used unetbootin for a time |
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| 21:30.39 | peterS | Chance: oh. somewhere or other I found a 'ilo194.bin' file in one of HP's zip files |
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| 21:31.32 | peterS | along with a 'flash_ilo' executable I could feed it to |
| 21:31.32 | Chance | any clue where to check i only managed to get a CP012665.scexe but no clue what to do with it |
| 21:31.54 | peterS | Chance: run 'zipinfo' on it, see if it's a zip file in disguise |
| 21:32.05 | peterS | (sometimes these things are) |
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| 21:32.40 | yagoo | igor47, just a tip if you're still on this.. if you need to log what you're doing to help batch script this on other machines.. try using the command tee |
| 21:32.51 | Chance | peterS did and End-of-central-directory signature not found. |
| 21:33.20 | peterS | ah, so it isn't. anyway ... it was some time ago I was doing those ilo upgrades but one way or another I found a .bin file and a 'flash_ilo' exe |
| 21:33.33 | dju` | Hello. I have a problem with booting my system (squeeze) with / over LVM over RAID1. It seems that the initramfs does not load dm and raid1 modules so it does not start the array... any help please? |
| 21:33.44 | peterS | it was a 32-bit executable so of course I had to have the libc6-i386 package installed |
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| 21:34.16 | tensorpudding | okay, that's disturbing |
| 21:34.27 | tensorpudding | just inserting the usb now causes my computer to not boot |
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| 21:34.57 | peterS | tensorpudding: sounds like a fun issue I had with (oddly enough) a DL380 server |
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| 21:36.15 | tensorpudding | okay |
| 21:36.20 | tensorpudding | now it boots |
| 21:36.23 | tensorpudding | DISK BOOT FAILURE |
| 21:36.41 | tensorpudding | see, this is why i stopped using cat to put iso images on drives |
| 21:37.11 | yagoo | ? |
| 21:37.21 | dju` | actually I have to type "mdadm --assemble /dev/md/0" at (initramfs) prompt for the array to be started |
| 21:37.22 | yagoo | tensorpudding, you probably cat it to the wrong device man |
| 21:37.23 | peterS | cat, cp and dd will all do exactly the same thing. I prefer cp over cat, but they both work |
| 21:37.25 | agike | karlpinc, valdin: SOLVED it ! I temporarily mounted the other drive containing the config files, but still cannot get into the usb .. |
| 21:37.30 | tensorpudding | yagoo, no, i didn't |
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| 21:38.14 | yagoo | is this for making usb debian boot an installer? i believed i tried this with no success |
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| 21:38.37 | yagoo | (number of months ago) |
| 21:38.38 | peterS | tensorpudding: did you copy the iso to /dev/sdX or /dev/sdX1? it should have been plain /dev/sdX, to overwrite the boot sector and the partition table. |
| 21:38.43 | agike | valdyn, karlpinc: solved it by mounting the other drive containing the config files, but still cannot get into the usb fs |
| 21:38.45 | tensorpudding | i have to go through this rigamarole every danged time i try to install from usb |
| 21:38.55 | tensorpudding | peterS, it was sdX |
| 21:39.20 | yagoo | tensorpudding, you're saying your main internal drive was changed by the booting usb? |
| 21:39.39 | tensorpudding | what do you mean |
| 21:39.40 | peterS | what can I say, it worked for me last time I tried that. OTOH, I was installing linux, maybe the install image for kfreebsd had a bug? |
| 21:39.55 | claw | after last update of fglrx pkgs gdm3 is not starting anymore ? how to rebuild xorg.conf now (im using wheezy)? |
| 21:39.56 | tensorpudding | yagoo, i'm put it on a usb drive |
| 21:40.02 | yagoo | "<tensorpudding> just inserting the usb now causes my computer to not boot" |
| 21:40.16 | tensorpudding | no |
| 21:40.17 | peterS | also be sure and 'sync' before you unplug the drive, so it actually writes all the data. 'cp' or 'cat' will not ensure this. |
| 21:40.18 | tensorpudding | it was the bios |
| 21:40.26 | tensorpudding | this was preventing the bios from doing anything |
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| 21:40.46 | tensorpudding | i just plugged the flash back in |
| 21:40.49 | tensorpudding | it looks fine |
| 21:40.57 | yagoo | tensorpudding, plug in your usb when your machine is off. |
| 21:41.04 | tensorpudding | it's just booting from usb on the target machine doesn't work |
| 21:41.09 | yagoo | tensorpudding, don't plug usb when starting up or shutting down |
| 21:41.22 | yagoo | or plug/unplug while startingup/shuttingdown |
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| 21:41.26 | claw | after last update of fglrx pkgs gdm3 is not starting anymore ? how to rebuild xorg.conf now (im using wheezy)? |
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| 21:41.53 | tensorpudding | well |
| 21:41.58 | tensorpudding | it still doesn't work |
| 21:42.27 | yagoo | tensorpudding, its an incompatibility somewhere on the hardware level/bios |
| 21:42.42 | yagoo | tensorpudding, u can always hope it can work if u try a bios update. |
| 21:42.46 | tensorpudding | ugh, i just remembered that the netinst wouldn't have wifi drivers on it |
| 21:43.05 | tensorpudding | they haven't updated this motherboard's bios in years |
| 21:43.06 | delvalle26 | tensorpudding: just download the firmware.tar.gz and stick it on the usb |
| 21:43.22 | delvalle26 | I've done a few net installs like that (install from cd, drivers on my usb.) |
| 21:43.36 | tensorpudding | does the full kfreebsd iso come with the ath driver? |
| 21:43.39 | yagoo | claw, x can run with xorg.conf.. |
| 21:43.40 | delvalle26 | personally I'd like to try making a usb install with grub loading the iso... |
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| 21:44.02 | yagoo | claw, if u need to "modify" an xorg.conf for an exotic device.. an X sample can be made with X -configure |
| 21:44.21 | tensorpudding | maybe installing debian/kfreebsd is ill-advised |
| 21:44.27 | yagoo | claw, (i meant earlier that X can run "without" an xorg.conf file) |
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| 21:44.42 | yagoo | ,/with/without |
| 21:45.17 | yagoo | delvalle26, i heard people have success with that, grub2 |
| 21:45.50 | yagoo | delvalle26, in order to have a linux boot successfully that way.. the booting kernel needs to support it |
| 21:46.12 | delvalle26 | yagoo: do you know of a simple tutorial? I would probably just mess around with qemu to test it |
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| 21:46.24 | delvalle26 | it seems like most people use fat32 and syslinux (bah and humbug to that!) |
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| 21:46.47 | yagoo | delvalle26, it has to do with "grub2 iso loopback boot" |
| 21:47.06 | yagoo | delvalle26, you use the loopback module (grub2's own internal module) |
| 21:48.01 | delvalle26 | would I have to partition the usb very much? Ideally I'd like to make a small partition for grub, and the rest ext2, where I could stick a few iso's to try out |
| 21:48.24 | delvalle26 | I'd probably put something like slitaz, and debian installers, hopefully they support this iso loopback thing |
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| 21:48.46 | delvalle26 | (my laptop is getting a bit old now, it's nearly 6, so I'd like a live usb thing just in case something fails...) |
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| 21:50.11 | yagoo | delvalle26, there's a few guides out there.. "Boot LiveCD ISO images directly from hard drive " https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 21:50.33 | delvalle26 | yagoo: thanks :) |
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| 21:51.35 | yagoo | delvalle26, i'm sure the storage of where you place the .iso files is very flexible.. |
| 21:52.02 | yagoo | delvalle26, here's another.. http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB |
| 21:52.06 | delvalle26 | good, it's just I'd like to avoid something like putting 5 partitions on a usbstick |
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| 21:53.03 | yagoo | delvalle26, i don't know the specifics, but u need at least those two things-- grub2's internal loopback module.. and the booting kernel needs to support it |
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| 21:53.50 | delvalle26 | I'll experiment a bit, I've been geeking out with debian lately |
| 21:54.05 | delvalle26 | running awesome wm, no more DE, using more cli apps |
| 21:54.12 | delvalle26 | too much fun, makes my old machine seem pretty swift |
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| 21:55.10 | yagoo | delvalle26, and your bios needs to support usb booting as well.. |
| 21:55.21 | delvalle26 | heh yeah, no worries, it does |
| 21:56.11 | delvalle26 | I had done a boot with freedos to update the bios, several years back |
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| 21:57.42 | delvalle26 | An unrelated question, anyone know of a login manager that handles ck-sessions and policykit? |
| 21:57.48 | delvalle26 | besides gdm/gdm3 |
| 21:58.24 | delvalle26 | I tried going pure startx, and slim too, gave me no end of issues with nm-applet and mounting... |
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| 21:59.01 | delvalle26 | if not gdm3 is okay, but it seems less themable and flexible than gdm... |
| 21:59.14 | delvalle26 | Doesn't even have a list of sessions to choose from |
| 22:00.28 | babilen | delvalle26: It does -- you just have to select the user first. |
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| 22:01.43 | delvalle26 | babilen: thanks, I knew I must have missed something |
| 22:02.09 | delvalle26 | is there way to fully customize the layout? Or can it just apply a gtk theme? |
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| 22:02.58 | babilen | It is less themeable and I never cared about it enough to invest time. Google should know (or other kind souls in here) |
| 22:02.59 | delvalle26 | if so, can anyone recommend a dark dark gtk3 theme? |
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| 22:04.23 | delvalle26 | babilen: yeah, mostly I'd just like something tad darker |
| 22:04.28 | karsten | devhell: Does it have to be tall and handsome as well? |
| 22:04.43 | delvalle26 | otherwise the greeter is pretty nice overall interface wise |
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| 22:05.17 | delvalle26 | karsten: heh :) |
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| 22:06.46 | karsten | delvalle26: There were a few websites specializing in various desktop themes and such for a while. I mostly don't play there anymore but would suggest startign your hunt there. |
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| 22:08.57 | bolt | is it normal for ssh to tell me "Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal." even if I do not specify -t? i'm trying 'echo "echo hey" | ssh myserver' at the moment, and it spits that out before connecting and displaying "hey" |
| 22:09.20 | jonez | greetings. I was wondering if anyone is around that can help me get pam_pgsql configured on squeeze. I've been trying to follow various posts on the topic. what I need most is a way to test my pam config and make sure it is right. after that is working, then I'll move to getting saslauthd working. |
| 22:10.09 | jonez | when I google for pam pgsql, I get a lot of hits from a security issue from 2004, and nothing about how to set up/test :( |
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| 22:21.49 | locojay_ | hi i installed debian wheezy 64 bit on a mac mini but can;t chroot into drive from reduce usb stick |
| 22:21.59 | locojay_ | how can i boot the system from installdisk |
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| 22:22.20 | locojay_ | i need to make some change to grub as i am having some prob with refit |
| 22:23.00 | yagoo | locojay_, what did u install to, a usb stick? |
| 22:23.11 | Intelme | hello i have a server, that needs route how do i add a route to a it? |
| 22:23.24 | abrotman | Intelme: man route |
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| 22:23.33 | locojay_ | yes a usb stick with 64bit install so i can chroot into a 64bit system. seems like the usb stick i have is 32bit |
| 22:23.57 | yagoo | Intelme, i believe you'd want a static route.. something static_route directive.. there's probably a sample in /usr/share/doc/<> |
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| 22:24.36 | Intelme | do you know how to do it? |
| 22:24.46 | locojay_ | or how can i boot manually using vmlinux? |
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| 22:25.26 | streuner_ | Intelme: route stuff is usually an interfaces issue, but we are already (if you need more) |
| 22:25.44 | streuner_ | Intelme: told you* |
| 22:26.33 | yagoo | locojay_, vmlinux? what are you talking about? |
| 22:26.49 | locojay_ | sry vmlinuz |
| 22:27.10 | locojay_ | to boot the install manually if no grub is there |
| 22:27.16 | yagoo | locojay_, you should be able to boot up with the install cd and do a rescue prompt from there..(and then a chroot).. |
| 22:27.28 | locojay_ | does not work |
| 22:27.38 | yagoo | locojay_, you'd have to check with refit/and-or apple docs/ to see if you can do a "usb boot" on your mac |
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| 22:27.49 | locojay_ | since i installed a 64bit from a 32bit usb install stick |
| 22:28.00 | wolfric | what service on debian would be sending out net bios udp packets? |
| 22:28.06 | wolfric | on a standard default install of squeeze |
| 22:28.11 | locojay_ | i can boot worked fine installed but then i can't reboot |
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| 22:28.34 | themill | wolfric: what do you mean by "standard install". |
| 22:28.38 | locojay_ | using usb stick again to enter rescue does not let me chroot |
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| 22:29.10 | yagoo | locojay_, get the grub fixed for the usb.. |
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| 22:29.15 | somiaj | locojay_: unforntally you'll need to boot from a 64bit kernel to run 64bit binaries. |
| 22:29.23 | yagoo | locojay_, you probably overwrote your grub bootcode |
| 22:29.29 | locojay_ | thanks |
| 22:29.39 | locojay_ | how can i get a 64bit install usb stick |
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| 22:29.44 | wolfric | themill: got it thanks, someone mentioned in #linux that it would be samba |
| 22:29.48 | robin_sz | buy one? |
| 22:29.53 | yagoo | locojay_, thought u said you booted from a usb install stick.. |
| 22:29.56 | locojay_ | downloaded wheezy and used unebootin |
| 22:29.57 | wolfric | themill: but just fyi, it's the default packages that are installed when you install from a live cd |
| 22:30.02 | locojay_ | yes |
| 22:30.25 | initself | I'm trying to install mono, but not having any luck. |
| 22:30.31 | locojay_ | debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst + unebootin ==> stick |
| 22:30.31 | initself | http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:30.35 | somiaj | locojay_: grab a 64bit netinstall image -- they are also usb images. |
| 22:30.35 | yagoo | locojay_, u may be able to re-apply the unetbootin but to the "same" install volume.. i dont think it'll overwrite your debian install |
| 22:30.35 | seb82 | how can I display all the installed packages? I know there's a command for it... but I forgot it.. |
| 22:30.43 | initself | shouldn't I be able to add deb http://debian.meebey.net/experimental/mono / |
| 22:30.45 | robin_sz | we went color in 1972, why would anyone want mono? |
| 22:30.49 | abrotman | seb82: /msg dpkg installed |
| 22:30.53 | yagoo | locojay_, that way your grub bootcode can be fixed at least for the installer |
| 22:30.59 | initself | then apt-get update and then download mono? |
| 22:31.03 | locojay_ | thanks |
| 22:31.09 | seb82 | thx abrotman |
| 22:31.14 | streuner_ | judd, versions mono |
| 22:31.16 | judd | No package named 'mono' was found in i386. |
| 22:31.23 | initself | mono-complete |
| 22:31.24 | yagoo | locojay_, once you can boot into rescue prompt, do a chroot, and install "grub" to the "partition" of "/" (installed system) |
| 22:31.29 | initself | got it |
| 22:31.40 | themill | wolfric: that's what *you* mean by standard... samba is by no means part of a standard installation of debian. |
| 22:31.46 | yagoo | locojay_, then coldboot from refit, u should see 2 penguin logos.. |
| 22:31.48 | locojay_ | thanks will get a 64 bit net install image |
| 22:31.50 | seb82 | lol @ judd: I read to quickly "No package named 'mono' was found in 1983" |
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| 22:32.33 | streuner_ | initself: mono is in Debian, why do you think you need meebey's experimental packages? |
| 22:32.46 | yagoo | locojay_, you can also install to the internal drive.. just backup stuff with DiskUtility from the osx installer dvd.. also with the installerdvd u can resize hfs+ partitions.. |
| 22:33.06 | abrotman | streuner_: to be fair, the mono is fairly outdated last i looked, even in wheezy/sid |
| 22:33.10 | wolfric | themill: well that's what was installed from a live cd install when you just went next next next etc |
| 22:33.20 | wolfric | themill: what would *you* define by standard |
| 22:33.21 | locojay_ | i see one at the moment but nothing happens. just a tux. and syncing using partition tool did not work. i first tried a complete lvm . that did not work and then reinstalled using 5gb ext3 2gb swap and rest lvm . grub install worked. but could not boot |
| 22:33.34 | seb82 | abrotman... was I supposed to get a message on 'dpkg installed'? |
| 22:33.34 | streuner_ | abrotman: that doesnt sound like meebey, but anyway |
| 22:33.36 | themill | wolfric: that presumably included the desktop task. Few would call that "standard". |
| 22:33.49 | wolfric | themill: no it didn't. no gui |
| 22:34.10 | yagoo | locojay_, lvm is too complicating atm, you don't need lvm to install debian.. you can simply have "/" and swap partitions |
| 22:34.48 | locojay_ | i did have a working debian . but i need xen as a need elastix as a pbx and only works with centos :( |
| 22:35.12 | abrotman | seb82: /msg dpkg installed .. dpkg is a channel bot |
| 22:35.17 | streuner_ | initself: anyway, you need to add "./" in the line in sources.list, IIRC |
| 22:35.28 | themill | wolfric: samba wouldn't be dragged in at all then. Most odd. "/msg dpkg standard task" for what is normally considered a "standard install" |
| 22:35.28 | seb82 | dpkg isn't doing anything... |
| 22:35.28 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, seb82 |
| 22:35.38 | yagoo | locojay_, so why not use gpt? (don't know if u can somehow clear out the dosmbr table to make sure debian or other linuxes dont touch dosmbr table) |
| 22:35.47 | abrotman | streuner_: considering the pace mono moves at? |
| 22:35.52 | themill | seb82: dpkg will have opened a new tab for you. |
| 22:35.59 | seb82 | nope it didn't |
| 22:36.02 | seb82 | dpkg installed |
| 22:36.02 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename". |
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| 22:36.15 | seb82 | because I typed it.. I got it now |
| 22:36.52 | abrotman | you were supposed to *msg* the bot .. jesus |
| 22:37.00 | abrotman | streuner_: /msg judd versions libmono2.0-cil |
| 22:37.01 | yagoo | locojay_, you can always fix grub on your usb -- with the help of virtualbox or vmware.. |
| 22:37.50 | seb82 | abrotman: okway I didn't get that... sorry |
| 22:37.53 | locojay_ | yagoo: how would that work |
| 22:37.58 | yagoo | locojay_, but device map may be different.. |
| 22:38.20 | yagoo | locojay_, oh u boot up an install environment in vmware or vbox with an .iso.. |
| 22:38.30 | locojay_ | where can i see if a net image is 64bit |
| 22:38.31 | locojay_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:38.34 | yagoo | locojay_, vmware for eg is avail for mac/win/linux.. |
| 22:38.58 | yagoo | locojay_, your physical "usb" can be mapped into vmware |
| 22:39.50 | seb82 | thx |
| 22:40.20 | yagoo | locojay_, were you able to boot into debian when debian was on lvm? |
| 22:40.30 | yagoo | locojay_, or was debian on plain ext3 ? |
| 22:40.34 | seb82 | who has experience on sarge? |
| 22:40.58 | locojay_ | no was not . that why i created a 5gb ext3 and a 2gb swap and rest lvm |
| 22:41.05 | abrotman | seb82: ask a real question |
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| 22:41.22 | seb82 | abrotman: I'm being serious |
| 22:41.27 | locojay_ | but now i can't boot as well. i guess the first lvm installed must have confused refit |
| 22:41.36 | abrotman | seb82: So am I .. |
| 22:41.37 | yagoo | locojay_, what is 5gb ext3, and 3gb swap? Are you saying these partitions are on or not on lvm? |
| 22:41.46 | abrotman | seb82: /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:41.53 | locojay_ | regular debian . will be dom0 |
| 22:42.06 | locojay_ | they are not lvm |
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| 22:42.13 | dondelelcaro | seb82: lots of people do, but you shouldn't be running sarge anymore anyway |
| 22:42.34 | locojay_ | 5gb ext3 and 3gb swap + 400 gb lvm (some groupsâ¦.) |
| 22:42.41 | seb82 | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to help out some school in Turkey who's running an very strange installed server... |
| 22:42.45 | locojay_ | can't see if a iso is 64bit |
| 22:42.48 | yagoo | locojay_, so why not use just a plain ext3 instead of lvm? I'm sure you can use virtual files on ext3 for xen environments.. |
| 22:42.56 | yagoo | locojay_, eg: loopback files.. |
| 22:43.01 | abrotman | seb82: then ask a specific question .. |
| 22:43.25 | seb82 | I've installed sarge via debootstrap... |
| 22:43.27 | locojay_ | resizing is nicer with lvm and no less io than if one uses --dir |
| 22:43.46 | seb82 | in chroot I had issues with installing a kernel and stuff... but i can boot from grub> |
| 22:43.48 | streuner_ | seb82: but why in hell sarge? |
| 22:43.49 | yagoo | locojay_, but if youre comfortable with lvm that's fine.. |
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| 22:44.19 | locojay_ | yeah just having probe finding a 64bit image a the moment to login and fix grub |
| 22:44.43 | seb82 | streuner_: the school is stilling running a sarge kernel upgraded to the then testing (etch) and is has to be upgraded to squeeze... it can't be taken offline easly as 20 departments depend on this server |
| 22:44.46 | yagoo | locojay_, remember, with refit-- you install the grub1 stage to the partition of your linux install, refit does not boot from the master sector 0 |
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| 22:44.58 | abrotman | seb82: schedule downtime or do it off-hours |
| 22:45.10 | magyar | hi, trying to update iceweasel but getting "xulrunner-7.0 : Depends: libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.10) but 3.12.9-2~bpo60+1 is to be installed" |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | seb82: you should follow all of the release notes for upgrading between releases |
| 22:45.28 | streuner_ | magyar: run here fine in sid |
| 22:45.31 | abrotman | magyar: put the full error and your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:45.32 | seb82 | we want to make sure it is even nicely possible before attempting do it... that's why I'm trying to recreate the server locally |
| 22:45.37 | yagoo | locojay_, (i'm referring to "grub2" program-- I meant stage1 and not "grub1") |
| 22:45.39 | seb82 | with a somewhat similar setup |
| 22:45.44 | yagoo | locojay_, my typo.. |
| 22:45.58 | seb82 | everting goes fine until I'm boot... |
| 22:46.03 | streuner_ | magyar: do what abrotman told you, you should have a wrong sources.list |
| 22:46.11 | locojay_ | i usually did install to mbr using regular install and it worked. not idea if wheezy install disk uses grub2 vs grub1 |
| 22:46.23 | yagoo | locojay_, i have some experience with macs and refit.. got a triple boot on a macbook.. |
| 22:46.23 | abrotman | 7.0 iceweasel even works on squeeze |
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| 22:46.34 | streuner_ | and in sid |
| 22:46.40 | seb82 | my screen goes blank... the curses takes input, but it is displayed at the bottom but shows no text... I'm certain wot the last lines of text are there... |
| 22:46.53 | abrotman | seb82: turn off the framebuffer |
| 22:47.05 | locojay_ | this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/ only has 32 |
| 22:47.08 | seb82 | how can I do that? |
| 22:47.09 | yagoo | locojay_, the problem with that approach, is that you have to maintain that one for the usb.. |
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| 22:47.28 | yagoo | locojay_, if u have many linux installs, let's say you delete debian.. you lose grub.cfg.. now redhat won't boot.. |
| 22:47.30 | seb82 | something with payload? |
| 22:47.43 | yagoo | locojay_, so it's better to have stage1 injected into / |
| 22:47.47 | locojay_ | usb is just to be able to already login to the installed system as grub does not boot at the moment |
| 22:47.59 | locojay_ | ah k |
| 22:48.08 | abrotman | seb82: wtf is payload? |
| 22:48.10 | yagoo | localhost, ALSO.. REFIT.. you're not using a PC bios here.. |
| 22:48.11 | seb82 | I thing it indeed goes wrong when it gets to loading my videocard/screens stuff |
| 22:48.42 | yagoo | locojay_, refit scans partition heads and places a logo for found fileystem types then tries to do a chainload.. check your refit if it does USB too.. |
| 22:49.10 | yagoo | locojay_, (see if refit scans USB partitions heads too is what i mean) |
| 22:49.35 | seb82 | someone told me to use 'gfpayload=text' |
| 22:50.07 | locojay_ | fuck being stupid the stick had a 64bit rescue option . JJJJJ |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | seb82: not for squeeze |
| 22:50.27 | yagoo | locojay_, you'd have to do mount --bind before chroot |
| 22:50.43 | yagoo | locojay_, it'll be easier to then grub-install to / afterwards |
| 22:50.54 | seb82 | I'm running sarge... but how i can I turn off the framebuffer? |
| 22:51.02 | yagoo | locojay_, use <device> instaed of / for the grub-install command of course |
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| 22:51.16 | abrotman | seb82: fb=false .. maybe |
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| 22:52.07 | locojay_ | yahoo : finally managed to enter the system via rescue. what should i do to get grub working again |
| 22:52.17 | seb82 | I'll try thx |
| 22:52.58 | yagoo | locojay_, mount the installed, then mount --bind the dev sys and proc, then choot |
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| 22:53.44 | yagoo | locojay_, after chroot, u use grub-install |
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| 22:54.19 | locojay_ | grub-install on /dev/sda? |
| 22:54.30 | yagoo | locojay_, where's debian? /dev/sda1 ? |
| 22:54.38 | locojay_ | sda4 |
| 22:54.45 | yagoo | locojay_, grub-install /dev/sda4 |
| 22:55.06 | locojay_ | 1,2,3 mac refit, and mac reuse if i recall |
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| 22:55.15 | yagoo | locojay_, if that doesn't show up in refit, then it's possible refit is not made to scan the headers of the usb partitions |
| 22:55.19 | locojay_ | 4,5 debian, swap, 6 lvm |
| 22:55.35 | locojay_ | no usb part ion here |
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| 22:55.50 | locojay_ | usb just used to install as i don't have a cd drive |
| 22:55.53 | yagoo | locojay_, ? |
| 22:55.58 | yagoo | locojay_, this is not good.. |
| 22:56.09 | locojay_ | why |
| 22:56.27 | yagoo | locojay_, I don't know and don't think refit will look after 4th primary partition properly with dosmbr.. |
| 22:56.57 | locojay_ | let me try grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:57.26 | yagoo | locojay_, are you going to try to boot from partition 5 after? |
| 22:57.33 | yagoo | locojay_, use /dev/sda4 for now.. |
| 22:57.37 | locojay_ | no just 4 |
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| 22:57.43 | locojay_ | k |
| 22:57.56 | yagoo | locojay_, what's on 1,2,3rd? |
| 22:58.03 | yagoo | locojay_, osx? |
| 22:58.07 | locojay_ | refit , mac and mac restore |
| 23:00.12 | yagoo | locojay_, just wondering.. you really are using your refit configuration on your usb? |
| 23:00.24 | locojay_ | no |
| 23:00.29 | locojay_ | usb just debian image |
| 23:00.32 | locojay_ | to install |
| 23:00.59 | locojay_ | grub-install /dev/sda4 failed. blacklist are UnRELIABLE |
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| 23:01.16 | yagoo | locojay_, did u do mount --bind? |
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| 23:02.03 | locojay_ | yes i m already in the sys and mount shows /dev/sda4 on / type ext4 |
| 23:02.43 | yagoo | locojay_, is /dev/sda4 your um installer, or your "installed" debian ? |
| 23:02.51 | locojay_ | installed debian |
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| 23:04.14 | locojay_ | yagoo: /dev/sda fails with not BIOs boot partition |
| 23:04.24 | locojay_ | gptsync? |
| 23:04.58 | yagoo | locojay_, i never used usb boot with mac.. that's why i'm asking you to check (and said before) any special USB options in refit.. |
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| 23:05.51 | yagoo | locojay_, btw.. did you select the debian-"installer" for the usb from the refit menu? (if so then that means it scanned the usb) |
| 23:06.08 | locojay_ | installed refit on machine. the created a usb install drive using unebootin and installed . |
| 23:06.16 | yagoo | locojay_, because i know refit scans at the least the internally drive by default |
| 23:06.30 | locojay_ | holding option and just select the drive |
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| 23:06.39 | locojay_ | worked fine even without refit installed |
| 23:07.13 | yagoo | locojay_, do you ever get the refit menu to load up? and if it does with the usb plugged in, do you get any linux logos on refit? |
| 23:07.21 | locojay_ | es it does |
| 23:07.29 | locojay_ | but can't boot into the tux drive |
| 23:07.32 | yagoo | locojay_, and this linux logo, how many are there, 1? |
| 23:07.39 | locojay_ | 1 logo |
| 23:07.43 | locojay_ | and 1 mac |
| 23:07.56 | locojay_ | sry 2 |
| 23:08.10 | yagoo | locojay_, is this happening now, or before? |
| 23:08.12 | locojay_ | 1mac 1tux and +1 win if drive is in |
| 23:08.21 | locojay_ | now and before |
| 23:08.29 | locojay_ | but can't boot now |
| 23:08.43 | locojay_ | as i can't sync with the refit part tool |
| 23:09.05 | locojay_ | this all happened after doing a complete lvm install |
| 23:09.26 | yagoo | locojay_, gptsync simply mirrors gpt<->dosmbr partition table.. I believe grub2 can handle gpt on mac.. but u'd have to check this to be 100% sure |
| 23:09.41 | locojay_ | looking at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/13554/how-to-reinstall-or-recover-grub-mbr-on-an-intel-mac |
| 23:10.42 | yagoo | locojay_, try a grub-install with --root-directory= |
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| 23:11.06 | yagoo | locojay_, eg: grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda4 /dev/sda4 |
| 23:11.44 | locojay_ | sme |
| 23:11.51 | yagoo | about the blacklist? |
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| 23:12.44 | yagoo | locojay_, "/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition. This is a BAD idea. |
| 23:12.44 | yagoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.44 | yagoo | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 23:12.46 | yagoo | " |
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| 23:12.58 | yagoo | sorry.. |
| 23:13.38 | yagoo | locojay_, i think you meant to say "blocklists" as described in this output |
| 23:13.51 | locojay_ | i get error will not proceed with blocklit |
| 23:13.55 | locojay_ | should i force |
| 23:13.59 | yagoo | locojay_, like the one i pasted? |
| 23:14.18 | yagoo | locojay_, is this grub1 or grub2? |
| 23:14.20 | locojay_ | yes |
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| 23:14.55 | yagoo | locojay_, grub -v |
| 23:15.17 | locojay_ | let me ssh and dpaste |
| 23:16.01 | yagoo | (grub --version) |
| 23:16.22 | locojay_ | grub not foud |
| 23:16.24 | yagoo | the least you should be using is grub2, because u might be using gtp on that usb drive |
| 23:16.37 | yagoo | meant grub --version |
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| 23:16.55 | locojay_ | installing grub2 |
| 23:18.28 | yagoo | locojay_, |
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| 23:19.10 | locojay_ | sry just needed to fix ssh login by mounting /dev/pts |
| 23:19.34 | yagoo | locojay_, also refit shuold not be less than 0.9 ( according to http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook ) |
| 23:20.04 | locojay_ | have 0.14 |
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| 23:20.17 | yagoo | locojay_, doesnt say grub problems on that page.. but there are incompat with other partitions tools |
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| 23:20.34 | yagoo | "If you install an old version of rEFIt and then install Debian + Lilo, you might not be able to install Grub afterwards." |
| 23:20.47 | yagoo | well actually it does.. but this page may be outdated |
| 23:20.58 | locojay_ | gptsync then update-grup. grup command does not exists |
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| 23:21.10 | yagoo | grub |
| 23:21.20 | yagoo | ,/b/p :b :p |
| 23:21.26 | yagoo | lol |
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| 23:22.46 | Chelsea_ | Hi all, How do I make a symlink of selected files in MC ? -so not ^x,s becouse that's for active files. |
| 23:22.51 | locojay_ | yagoo: http://dpaste.com/623733/ |
| 23:23.06 | yagoo | locojay_, refit is good stuff.. but it's tricky for anyone new to using it.. (I actually have lion and snow osx on separate partitions and simply choose 1 of two apple logos on machine powerup) |
| 23:23.24 | locojay_ | do u xen to mac |
| 23:23.31 | locojay_ | that would be ideal |
| 23:23.39 | locojay_ | not using mac on that box |
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| 23:24.03 | yagoo | locojay_, that paste only shows a dosmbr<->gptsync (notice only 4 primary partitions for dosmbr-- this is the limitation i was talking about) |
| 23:24.37 | locojay_ | shit |
| 23:24.39 | yagoo | locojay_, i believe there might be a nogpt or something like this for your kernel bootline |
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| 23:25.06 | yagoo | locojay_, actually -- i meant.. to say, "i believe there might be a nodosmbr or something like this for your kernel bootline" .. if it exists |
| 23:25.08 | locojay_ | gut 4 is ok as system is on 4 |
| 23:25.19 | yagoo | locojay_, i told you not to sync. |
| 23:25.47 | locojay_ | anyway to undo |
| 23:26.03 | yagoo | locojay_, now what if the kernel uses dosmbr instead of gpt? then u cant use anything after the 4th partition.. |
| 23:26.24 | locojay_ | only way to reinstall |
| 23:26.28 | yagoo | locojay_, ? |
| 23:26.47 | yagoo | locojay_, nonono.. |
| 23:27.00 | yagoo | locojay_, u may be able to simply wipe out the dosmbr tables manually.. |
| 23:28.51 | locojay_ | mmh... |
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| 23:30.19 | rubidious | Which package might I need to get openssl 32 bit libraries (I'm on amd64 at the moment, trying to install wine) |
| 23:30.37 | yagoo | rubidious, search openssl.. should be in there somewhere |
| 23:30.48 | yagoo | rubidious, wine should be in repo.. it isnt? |
| 23:31.30 | rubidious | yagoo I need to build a specific version for the application I'm working with |
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| 23:32.11 | magyar | abrotman: I was missing backports |
| 23:32.22 | locojay_ | yagoo: worked |
| 23:32.29 | yagoo | locojay_, what worked? |
| 23:32.30 | locojay_ | able to boot in debian ;) |
| 23:32.52 | yagoo | locojay_, can u see the other partitions? like swap and lvm? |
| 23:33.05 | locojay_ | gptsync /dev/sda ; grub-install --force /dev/sda; #update-grub |
| 23:33.27 | locojay_ | yes i see refit mac and windows (aka linux) |
| 23:33.41 | locojay_ | and recovery drive |
| 23:33.52 | locojay_ | using windows(aka linux) boots |
| 23:33.58 | yagoo | locojay_, you can choose the logo from refit and it boots? |
| 23:34.09 | locojay_ | did not try from refit |
| 23:34.12 | locojay_ | directly |
| 23:34.29 | locojay_ | refit, mac, windows, restore: cliked windows (debian) |
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| 23:34.53 | yagoo | locojay_, maybe your partition type is wrong.. lol.. should be 83 and not the ntfs type |
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| 23:35.21 | locojay_ | as long as i can boot into debian I'm happy |
| 23:35.24 | locojay_ | thanks for helping |
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| 23:35.56 | yagoo | locojay_, also there's something to do with a "video" mode when booting up linux under a mac.. so if u have slow graphics, you'd now part of the reason.. |
| 23:36.12 | yagoo | locojay_, has to do with the boot process, something to do with grub2 |
| 23:37.41 | yagoo | locojay_, grub1 doesn't support gpt.. so it was the reason why it was not seeing any partition table.. |
| 23:38.03 | yagoo | locojay_, i still would stick to gpt-only, but in your case if it works the way u like it.. thats fine |
| 23:38.29 | locojay_ | something happen though with my mac a while back |
| 23:38.35 | locojay_ | can't login |
| 23:38.45 | locojay_ | but really don't care as only debian |
| 23:39.04 | yagoo | locojay_, sometimes an apple update can do funny stuff against refit, u simply install refit after.. |
| 23:39.38 | locojay_ | yeah via mac rescue mode |
| 23:39.43 | yagoo | locojay_, and btw (u probably missed me saying), lion works with refit too.. I can choose an apple logo.. so it is a pretty stable gadget |
| 23:39.54 | locojay_ | i guess i won't try to redo couple debian lvm |
| 23:40.12 | yagoo | locojay_, i thought u said u needed lvm for virtual machines |
| 23:40.19 | locojay_ | yes |
| 23:40.45 | locojay_ | but now ext3 physical dom0 + lvm . first i tried complete lvm |
| 23:41.15 | locojay_ | with /boot swap and / image under lvm |
| 23:41.57 | yagoo | locojay_, the minimum thing u needed was grub2.. |
| 23:42.53 | yagoo | locojay_, u should still be able to boot on partitions beyond #4 but u need to remove the dosmbr table to make sure gpt is used.. |
| 23:43.13 | locojay_ | k thanks |
| 23:43.35 | yagoo | locojay_, u want to do that? |
| 23:43.44 | locojay_ | tomorrow i guess |
| 23:43.57 | yagoo | locojay_, it's basically 1 or two commands... |
| 23:44.33 | locojay_ | no need for >4 |
| 23:44.52 | locojay_ | just /boot lvm on 4 |
| 23:47.33 | seb82 | how can I add fb=false to grub menu.lst? |
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| 23:50.03 | abrotman | it's sarge .. are you sure it's even grub |
| 23:50.04 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:50.15 | seb82 | yes |
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| 23:50.34 | abrotman | then edit the command line when it boots |
| 23:50.54 | seb82 | can't I add it to the menu.lst? |
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