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| 00:21.06 | jefimenko | is there a problem with apt pinning packages with names formatting in certain way? i'm having trouble pinning libsqlite3-0 |
| 00:21.17 | jefimenko | apt-cache policy shows that it's not found (even though it IS there, i can apt-get install it) |
| 00:22.13 | jefimenko | my preferences file looks like http://pastebin.com/3BPYKH4j (yes, i'm using ubuntu, not debian proper) |
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| 00:23.19 | themill | jefimenko: a problem with package dependencies in ubuntu is something that #ubuntu will know about, not #debian. |
| 00:23.55 | jefimenko | http://pastebin.com/C0t6kX70 |
| 00:24.08 | jefimenko | i raise this because i think it may be a problem with the underlying apt tools |
| 00:24.10 | jefimenko | the package is there |
| 00:24.44 | themill | jefimenko: I can't even tell you what version of apt you have, what bugs it may or may not have and how ubuntu changed it before giving it to you. Please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 00:24.50 | jefimenko | i just think the name isn't matching |
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| 00:54.25 | ion_ | My machine starts behave strangely like start the screen protection in matters of minutes. |
| 00:54.32 | ion_ | what it could be |
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| 00:57.19 | ion_ | it really drives me mad... |
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| 00:59.49 | DasEi | ion_: system>setting>screensaver ?! |
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| 01:00.59 | ion_ | DasEi:I know I had been there but don`t work this never happened before... |
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| 01:08.16 | ac_slater | anyone know a good resource for customizing the debian installer? |
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| 01:09.12 | ac_slater | ah nvm there is a link on the main pafe |
| 01:09.14 | ac_slater | page* |
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| 01:16.40 | ac_slater | should modifying the installer be avoided? ie - I have 40+ nodes I need with debian, and cloning is an option, but there must be a faster way |
| 01:18.36 | Keith-BlindUser | The only advice I can give is..you modify anything at your own risk, and probably won't get support. |
| 01:19.49 | ac_slater | thanks, i assumed that |
| 01:20.04 | Keith-BlindUser | Usually you'll be left with whatever you break. |
| 01:20.16 | Keith-BlindUser | At least that's what I'm thinking as well. |
| 01:20.24 | ac_slater | yea, sadly lol |
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| 01:21.23 | roboso | ciao |
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| 01:21.43 | roboso | una info... ma debian con gnome usa puleaudio? |
| 01:21.59 | roboso | *pulseaudio |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | !it |
| 01:22.16 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:22.34 | abrotman | ac_slater: /msg dpkg fai |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | ac_slater: /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 01:22.59 | roboso | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.08 | ion_ | my screen saver is switching on all the time what can I do .. |
| 01:23.14 | ion_ | how shall I solve it |
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| 01:23.37 | ac_slater | abrotman: thanks man, I found the debian docs about automated installing |
| 01:26.00 | roboso | hello debian use pulseaudio ? |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:26.52 | delvalle26 | you can use just alsa if you want |
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| 01:27.16 | roboso | required? or can I remove it without problems? |
| 01:27.45 | delvalle26 | depends on if you choose a DE, I was able to remove it without any problems |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | you can try .. depends on your setup |
| 01:27.58 | roboso | pulseaudio is mixer and not compatibility |
| 01:28.24 | delvalle26 | pulseaudio runs on top of alsa, at least that's my understanding |
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| 01:28.48 | delvalle26 | it gave me serious sound issues at the time though, my old laptop has a low frequency emitter, |
| 01:28.52 | delvalle26 | it would set the volume of it to 100% |
| 01:29.05 | delvalle26 | alsa + dmix has been perfect for me |
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| 01:30.52 | roboso | I have serious problems in the ubuntu distro to use the uninstall pulseaudio and qunado I also removes gnome, this is not linux I can not decide if the packets that make up my distro |
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| 01:31.13 | delvalle26 | you can safely remove the gnome package, it is a meta package |
| 01:31.27 | delvalle26 | you may want to install it again if you do a full upgrade though... |
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| 01:33.23 | roboso | I do not understand why they insist that only problems of using pulse |
| 01:33.43 | delvalle26 | I think people want something for "plug and play" of audio devices |
| 01:33.51 | delvalle26 | individual volume levels per app |
| 01:33.53 | delvalle26 | and network sound |
| 01:34.01 | delvalle26 | I don't care about any of that though... |
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| 01:34.23 | delvalle26 | I just got annoyed that it would tie up a device for things that don't use pulse |
| 01:34.26 | delvalle26 | and introduce latency... |
| 01:34.38 | delvalle26 | but you still get a choice to use or not use it :) |
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| 01:35.17 | roboso | ok |
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| 01:36.43 | roboso | domani provo a installare debian con gnome, la mia architettura è un i7 8 core che iso devo utilizzare? e qual'è l'ultima release stabile di debian? lenny? |
| 01:37.07 | roboso | tomorrow I try to install debian with gnome, my architecture is a core i7 8 iso should I use? and what is the latest stable release of debian? lenny? |
| 01:37.33 | delvalle26 | latest stable is squeeze |
| 01:37.48 | delvalle26 | core i7 is 64-bit (I'm jealous, heh old coreduo here :) ) |
| 01:38.08 | delvalle26 | the only thing I advise is if you use wifi, grab the firmware.tar.gz package and put it on a usb key |
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| 01:38.20 | delvalle26 | the cd install will automatically load the proprietary firmware (if needed) |
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| 01:39.00 | roboso | i7 is not very functional in certain conditions, the better a dual-core |
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| 01:48.55 | roboso | delvalle26 i'm using this iso? debian-live-6.0.2-amd64-standard.iso 27-Aug-2011 20:58 231M |
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| 01:49.29 | delvalle26 | sounds good, I usually install from the net install (bandwidth reasons...) |
| 01:49.47 | delvalle26 | at least with the livecd you can check that all your hardware works :) |
| 01:51.19 | delvalle26 | is going to cook dinner, good luck with your install roboso! |
| 01:52.20 | roboso | tnx |
| 01:52.33 | roboso | good lounch |
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| 01:58.29 | snax | folks |
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| 01:59.33 | obsd123 | maybe a bit OT, but I was wondering if anyone could give me some pointers on how to lock down a debian desktop so that only firefox is open/can be accessed |
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| 02:00.04 | snax | I have my monitor connected to my laptop via vga port. When I invoke a fullscreened game, I get no signal from the vga port. |
| 02:00.09 | snax | via wine |
| 02:00.49 | obsd123 | I'm going to be making a presentation machine and I only want people to be able to mess with our app, not the system itself. It'll be easy to manage the networking component, but I'm not sure how to lock down the desktop itself |
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| 02:01.48 | cemiotic | snax: did you try to run the game emulating a virtual desktop? |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | obsd123: only start one app |
| 02:03.26 | snax | cemiotic: I never heard of this virtual desktop. I'll google that term. |
| 02:04.03 | cemiotic | snax: then run wine.cfg and set up the graphic mode |
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| 02:04.35 | snax | cemiotic: is a virtual desktop a wine configuration ? |
| 02:04.46 | cemiotic | yes |
| 02:04.47 | snax | or a linux function. |
| 02:04.52 | snax | oh ok. thanks i'll research that. |
| 02:04.53 | cemiotic | wine's |
| 02:06.17 | obsd123 | abrotman: they can still minimize it |
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| 02:22.25 | abrotman | obsd123: not if it is the only app running ... i thikn you misunderstand what i'm saying |
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| 02:25.16 | abrotman | grrr |
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| 02:44.15 | Skapare | is there a 2.6.38 kernel available for debian 6.0.2 ? |
| 02:45.47 | Keith-BlindUser | WHy not try searching the package lists? |
| 02:46.04 | abrotman | Skapare: backports.debian.org |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | Skapare: read the instructions there |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | Keith-BlindUser: it's not in the standard lists |
| 02:46.24 | Keith-BlindUser | Ah |
| 02:46.42 | Keith-BlindUser | Okay stand corrected, sorry. |
| 02:47.47 | Skapare | Keith-BlindUser: I could not find it |
| 02:48.02 | DasEi | Skapare: you can always go to kernel.org or use tools like checkinstall |
| 02:48.03 | Skapare | does that mean it's not available? |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | DasEi: i gave him the answer he needed .. don't screw him up |
| 02:48.28 | DasEi | abrotman: fine |
| 02:48.40 | Skapare | DasEi: this is on a remote ded machine, so I need to stick to packaged kernels |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | Skapare: are you ignoring me for some reason? |
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| 02:50.06 | ac_slater | yea |
| 02:50.11 | ac_slater | oops |
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| 02:50.34 | Skapare | abrotman: no, I'm reading the instructions |
| 02:51.06 | Skapare | abrotman: it tells me how to get backports, but not if what I'm looking for is available ... is there an online list of backports? |
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| 02:51.28 | Skapare | abrotman: FYI, I don't have debian installed ... this is for deciding if to install it |
| 02:51.44 | DasEi | http://tinyurl.com/6cyz82o , there are some , lol |
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| 02:52.36 | abrotman | Skapare: it has a .38 or .39 |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 02:53.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny4) |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | Skapare: shuld have a .39 available if that's good enough for you |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | Skapare: do you require a .38 to install the system ? |
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| 02:55.58 | Skapare | abrotman: .39 might work ... I need the nouveau driver at that level ... earlier is too buggy |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | oh, but not to install |
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| 02:57.46 | Skapare | here's the deal ... I need to install a remote server AND make a replica locally ... the remote server will require I not mess around too much, and just install packages ... the local needs nouveau for the 6150SE chipped video |
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| 02:58.03 | abrotman | wonders why this server needs X .. |
| 02:58.29 | Skapare | trying to decide between xubuntu 11.04 vs debian |
| 02:58.44 | Skapare | the server doesn't need X ... the local machine does |
| 02:59.05 | Skapare | actually, nouveau is preferred for use in text mode, anyway |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | doesn't sound like a very good replica :) |
| 02:59.26 | Skapare | I suppose I could leave X out |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | anyway .. yes, you can get a .39 kernel for squeeze (and for the installer if you need it) |
| 03:00.15 | Skapare | does "(and for the installer" mean that installing the kernel package won't install it to the system? |
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| 03:00.25 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | you can have it with both .. |
| 03:00.41 | karlpinc | I think I'm going to need something newer than .39 for my *cough* broadcom wireless. Is there somewhere to go besides kernel.org? |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | karlpinc: for which version of Debian ? |
| 03:01.06 | karlpinc | abrotman: squeeze. I'm thinking I'll have to use make-kpig. |
| 03:01.12 | karlpinc | kpkg. |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | karlpinc: AIUI, the udev in squeeze won't work |
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| 03:01.53 | Skapare | abrotman: I won't ever have console access to the remote machine ... if anything goofs up the best I can do is have an OS reinstall from scratch |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | Skapare: okay, not sure what that has to do with your kernel version :) |
| 03:02.10 | karlpinc | abrotman: What then. Wheezy? |
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| 03:02.15 | abrotman | karlpinc: which already has 3.x |
| 03:03.14 | Skapare | abrotman: what it has to do with my kernel version is I am wondering what was said about a separate installer ... worried I have to run things separately and not just let the usual package installation set it up |
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| 03:03.51 | Skapare | abrotman: because I need a backport kernel, does that change the way the package is installed (changing the sources would be trivial) |
| 03:04.21 | Skapare | abrotman: FYI, my experience is with Ubuntu |
| 03:04.23 | Skapare | ducks |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | Skapare: oh, no, the instructions at backports.debian.org will suffice if you get the system installed with a .32 .... if you needed the .39 to install the system, that is an option also (and that will install a .39 kernel to the system) |
| 03:04.33 | Skapare | but I want to get away from Ubuntu |
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| 03:05.01 | abrotman | Skapare: it's not as hard as it sounds .. you add a source .. update, install the new kernel .. reboot |
| 03:05.14 | karlpinc | abrotman: Any clue if they'll ever be a 3.0 backported to squeeze? |
| 03:05.40 | Skapare | abrotman: OK, so the separate installer thing is for if I want to put .39 on during the main installation? |
| 03:05.41 | abrotman | karlpinc: AIUI, the udev in squeeze won't work |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | Skapare: right |
| 03:05.51 | karlpinc | Skapare: Just like installing any other package, but the old kernel won't go away. |
| 03:05.54 | karlpinc | abrotman: Right. |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | karlpinc: uhm .. when you install newer versions of other packages, the old one generally goes away :) |
| 03:06.23 | Skapare | karlpinc: yeah, I can fall back to the old one if the new one doesn't work ... if I had console access |
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| 03:06.37 | karlpinc | abrotman: Not with kernels. You've got to purge to get them to go. |
| 03:06.55 | Skapare | abrotman: kernels don't do that, at least with ubuntu |
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| 03:07.09 | abrotman | i'm aware .. |
| 03:07.11 | Skapare | abrotman: I have to clean out old kernels if I upgrade a lot |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | he said "any other package" .. that's not true |
| 03:07.35 | karlpinc | abrotman: Sorry. My jokerator is broken. |
| 03:08.03 | Skapare | sorry, I think I got lines from two people mixed up |
| 03:08.14 | abrotman | is pretty sure there was no joking? |
| 03:08.46 | karlpinc | abrotman: You didn't read what I ment. :) |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | you didn't say what you meant :) |
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| 03:09.34 | pujger | HEllo? |
| 03:09.39 | pujger | Anyone here? |
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| 03:10.33 | Skapare | so the plan is, if I decide to go debian, I download 6.0.2.1, install on test machine here, do the kernel change to .38, and if that works, arrange for the 6.0.2.1 to be installed on the remote server, then I ssh in and do the kernel change |
| 03:10.36 | karlpinc | abrotman: Depends. "but" means "except that". |
| 03:11.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | fwiw, there is a new point update due in a week |
| 03:11.07 | pujger | I have a question about hsfmodem |
| 03:11.12 | pujger | It says "Without one, the modem operates in FREE mode (max 14.4Kbps data only, no fax)" |
| 03:11.20 | pujger | is there a free version of the hsfmodem driver |
| 03:11.25 | Skapare | that's in addition to a lot of other packages which I expect to go with no problem |
| 03:11.38 | abrotman | pujger: ask your manufacturer |
| 03:11.49 | pujger | I downloaded this from http://www.linuxant.com |
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| 03:11.58 | pujger | But it's awful to have a linux driver be commercial |
| 03:12.00 | abrotman | pujger: and what is your current 'uname -r" ? |
| 03:12.08 | pujger | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 03:12.35 | abrotman | did you check the linmodem site? it has a script to tell you possible drivers ... if they say that's the only one, you're stuck .. good luck |
| 03:12.37 | Skapare | pujger: you mean "closed source"? |
| 03:12.48 | abrotman | Skapare: some you have to pay for |
| 03:13.11 | Skapare | if the price is OK, I don't mind paying ... but I want source |
| 03:13.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | pujger: buy a proper /better/different modem? |
| 03:13.29 | abrotman | yeah, USR used to sell a proper PCI modem |
| 03:13.42 | pujger | I have a USR proper PCI modem |
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| 03:14.03 | pujger | Skapare: I'm not sure if it is closed source, I wondered if there was an open source version/module set for Conexant HSFmodems |
| 03:14.08 | pujger | I hate winmodems anyway |
| 03:14.31 | abrotman | a proper USR modem wouldn't need conexant |
| 03:14.35 | pujger | right |
| 03:14.52 | pujger | but why does it cost money? My question is: is there a free driver/program for this winmodem |
| 03:15.11 | abrotman | i told you how to check |
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| 03:15.37 | abrotman | http://www.usr.com/products/modem/modem-product.asp?sku=USR5610c .. that'd be a "real" modem .. not a winmodem |
| 03:15.48 | Skapare | you'd think a hardware maker would include drivers for all the OSes, especially since the community is very willing to do all the development work for them if they supply the documentation |
| 03:16.17 | abrotman | Skapare: tell that to nvidia ... |
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| 03:16.29 | Skapare | apparently, hardware makers are infested with PHBs |
| 03:17.04 | pujger | k, I checked http://linmodems.org, more like links from that page, not specific driver links though |
| 03:17.12 | abrotman | RUN THE SCRIPT |
| 03:17.18 | pujger | No linux drivers on conexant's page |
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| 03:17.29 | Skapare | abrotman: well, there is nouveau ... oh wait, no 3D in there, oh well ... but at least is has excellent text mode (at kernel .38) |
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| 03:17.38 | abrotman | must be something in that susquehanna water .. |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | Skapare: that's community with no specs .. nvidia won't help |
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| 03:19.05 | Skapare | nvidia's own driver does text mode all screwed up ... OK, so don't use it on servers or text boxes |
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| 03:20.18 | Skapare | since nouveau does text mode so crisp, clean, and perfect, w/o those manufacturer docs, then I suspect it's more a case of programmer skillz |
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| 03:21.38 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:22.11 | Skapare | abrotman: goodnight, and thanks for the help! |
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| 03:40.32 | cemiotic | no nothing |
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| 03:43.27 | blauefuesse | good morning. I run Squueze and want to activate my gamepad via gameport on soundcard. is there some documentation on how to set up ? |
| 03:45.34 | gnarface | blauefuesse: its bad and incomplete at best |
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| 03:45.51 | gnarface | blauefuesse: there is a debian package that does most the work for you, if i recall |
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| 03:46.58 | gnarface | blauefuesse: do you have xserver-xorg-input-joystick installed ? |
| 03:47.11 | blauefuesse | gnarface: yes |
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| 03:47.43 | gnarface | blauefuesse: do you have the 'joydev' and 'analog' modules loaded? |
| 03:48.14 | gnarface | blauefuesse: also do you have your soundcard driver loaded? |
| 03:48.20 | blauefuesse | gnarface: i also have joystick installed, and have edited xorg.conf / but do not know the device name ... oh, analog also |
| 03:48.37 | gnarface | blauefuesse: i think you might need a driver for the gameport too |
| 03:48.40 | blauefuesse | gnarface: yes, in /etc/modules |
| 03:49.00 | gnarface | blauefuesse: do you have the module 'gameport' loaded? |
| 03:49.16 | blauefuesse | yes |
| 03:49.42 | gnarface | blauefuesse: find /dev |grep joy |
| 03:50.18 | gnarface | blauefuesse: or better yet: ls -l `find /dev |grep joy ` |
| 03:50.51 | gnarface | (unless you're missing something i believe that should give you the device name(s) of your currently attached gamepads+joysticks |
| 03:51.03 | gnarface | ) |
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| 03:55.59 | blauefuesse | gnarface: a driver for the gameport? |
| 03:56.19 | gnarface | blauefuesse: that might be 'gameport' |
| 03:57.04 | gnarface | blauefuesse: also, which sound card driver is it? if i recall, some of them don't enable the gameport by default. you might have to add an option to the soundcard module to turn it on |
| 03:57.48 | gnarface | blauefuesse: check to see if you have the module 'ns558' loaded |
| 03:57.59 | gnarface | blauefuesse: some gameports may need additional modules |
| 03:58.04 | blauefuesse | gnarface: i do |
| 03:58.29 | gnarface | blauefuesse: you never told me what the output of this command was: ls -l `find /dev |grep joy ` |
| 03:58.52 | blauefuesse | gnarface: sorry, there was no output |
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| 03:59.46 | gnarface | blauefuesse: something seems to be missing still. |
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| 04:00.52 | gnarface | blauefuesse: you're aware that gameports are not necessarily hotplug right? you may have to have the joystick plugged in and powered up before the computer boots, or at the very least before the module is loaded |
| 04:01.23 | gnarface | blauefuesse: also, fyi, if you have a usb gamepad instead, they are way less trouble to set up these days |
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| 04:02.48 | blauefuesse | gnarface: na, its not an USB |
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| 04:44.43 | fender0107401 | I can access it. |
| 04:45.32 | MrFrood | http://lists.debian.org/ works here |
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| 04:51.39 | CVirus | I'm trying Debian testing in a vm .. thinking of dumping gentoo :-) |
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| 04:56.07 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484898/ why do I keep disconnecting, and what's reason 1? |
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| 05:01.51 | CVirus | Are all the packages available for the 64-bit architecture ? |
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| 05:07.41 | arghx | CVirus: yes. where applicable. |
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| 05:10.04 | breakit | How do I take the online data and convert it to KML |
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| 05:18.16 | daniel-s | is breakit a bot? |
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| 05:19.59 | CVirus | wow .. debian has "Install with speech synthesis" option |
| 05:20.01 | CVirus | neat |
| 05:20.04 | gnarface | what happened to ethereal? did it get renamed? |
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| 05:24.37 | CVirus | gnarface: wireshark |
| 05:24.41 | gnarface | CVirus: thanks |
| 05:25.09 | CVirus | gnarface: no problem |
| 05:25.36 | breakit | WHAT'S A good place to ask how to do mashups |
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| 05:26.12 | arghx | breakit: google |
| 05:27.51 | CVirus | Shall I go for linux-3.0 ? |
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| 05:28.52 | arghx | CVirus: no |
| 05:29.09 | CVirus | arghx: why :-) ? |
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| 05:31.47 | arghx | CVirus: why do you think you need linux 3.0? |
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| 05:32.33 | CVirus | arghx: I'm not sure really .. shall I stick to 2.6 in the meantime ? |
| 05:33.17 | arghx | you should stick with debian stable. and there is no linu 3.0 kernel for it |
| 05:34.28 | CVirus | hmm .. I'm installing wheezy and will install linux 3.0 :-p |
| 05:34.47 | CVirus | I prefer a rolling release distro to be honest |
| 05:36.27 | gnarface | CVirus: just be aware that you decided to walk along the precipice of oblivion despite being warned against it. |
| 05:37.02 | CVirus | gnarface: yeah I know I will be getting almost no support as long as I'm using testung |
| 05:37.07 | CVirus | testing* |
| 05:38.10 | gnarface | CVirus: there's a channel for the brave foolish few; #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 05:40.17 | CVirus | gnarface: thanks .. why isn't it on freenode may I ask ? |
| 05:41.06 | arghx | cause oftc is the one irc.debian.org redirects to |
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| 05:41.25 | CVirus | aha |
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| 05:44.40 | gnarface | CVirus: no fucking clue from my perspective. i am not in any way officially affiliated with the debian team so i neither participated in the decision nor know why it was made |
| 05:45.39 | CVirus | gnarface: take it easy man ! |
| 05:47.38 | gnarface | CVirus: sorry that probably sounded more angry than i meant it to. i perhaps overuse profanity in casual conversation. |
| 05:47.58 | CVirus | gnarface: cheers :-) |
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| 05:58.55 | Neo | good evening everyone |
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| 06:07.52 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484898/ ; why do I keep disconnected, and what's reason 1? |
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| 06:37.43 | Grav | Hello. Which debian installation cd should i get for intel 64bit? |
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| 06:48.57 | stockholm | Grav: the amd64 one |
| 06:49.20 | breakit | Does Debian have Itanium support? |
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| 06:50.15 | stockholm | i think so |
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| 06:51.17 | Grav | stockholm: seriously? it's not for amd? |
| 06:51.20 | breakit | Why do people use Ubuntu instead of Debian? Similarly, why do people use CentOS instead of Fedora |
| 06:51.49 | Grav | breakit: i would want to try debian instead of ubuntu, but dunno which version to download:P |
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| 06:53.13 | laidback_01 | anyone in here seeing problems with Intel Z68 based mainboards? I'm soon to get one just for a debian desktop, so wondering if there's any talk on them yet. |
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| 07:03.42 | peterrooney | Grav: stable, unless you feel like using something that hasn't finished being tested. |
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| 07:07.23 | Grav | peterrooney: I want stable, I had enough of ubuntu breaking my stuff after updates. |
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| 07:14.04 | rdz | hi all. what is the rc file to put flags to ignore SCM directories like .git .svn and cvs when using dpk build tools? |
| 07:14.17 | peterrooney | Grav: then use stable. |
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| 07:15.40 | Grav | peterrooney: well sure:P I was just asking which architecure to use. I'm just checking if amd64 is really for intel 64 of someone is trolling me. |
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| 07:17.15 | aminpy | how can I download all stable packages of debian? |
| 07:17.52 | tuxcrafter | /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin what is the need voor those files |
| 07:17.59 | tuxcrafter | they take up 2 GB and i need the space |
| 07:18.11 | tuxcrafter | i already run apt-get clean and apt-get autormove |
| 07:18.21 | peterrooney | Grav: http://www.debian.org/ports/ should help you decide what's needed for your hardware. |
| 07:18.54 | peterrooney | aminpy: why would you want to? |
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| 07:19.26 | aminpy | peterrooney, I need it when I don't access to internet |
| 07:19.31 | Grav | peterrooney: ok thanks, seems amd64 it is, strange name for intel release |
| 07:19.45 | amero | how do i dnat to multiple ports in iptables? |
| 07:20.16 | amero | oh never mind |
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| 07:32.13 | tuxcrafter | can i remove all these files rm -v /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin.* |
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| 07:39.12 | streuner_ | tuxcrafter: they seems to be apt related... |
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| 07:40.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | my Flash appears to fail occasionally in Ice weasel and I was wanting to install Firefox, Opera, Chrome or Safari to run it more smoothly(Google Chrome and Apple Safari are prefered) |
| 07:41.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | How can I do that in Squeeze |
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| 07:41.58 | Zeit|awy | what's the apt command to get more info on an update? Need the exact revision, not only the short name like linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 07:42.36 | streuner_ | Zeit|awy: why not just using packages.debian.org/<package> ? |
| 07:43.00 | streuner_ | changelog comes to mind |
| 07:43.58 | Zeit|awy | the last kernel update killed the server (300km away..), it was linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-26lenny3, I just like to know if it's now a lenny4 |
| 07:44.10 | xand | Darkelfjuggalo: google have a .deb you can download for Chrome. |
| 07:44.29 | xand | which can then be installed with dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 07:44.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i've yet to understand how to install software that doesnt come directly from Debian.org |
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| 07:45.48 | Bushmills | following the installation instructions which come with those non-debian programs is sometimes successful |
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| 07:47.14 | streuner_ | Zeit|awy: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=linux-2.6 |
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| 07:47.40 | streuner_ | Zeit|awy: maybe that helps too -> http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110122 |
| 07:47.55 | Zeit|awy | yeah found it, it's a lenny4 now, so I might take the risk again.. |
| 07:48.27 | Zeit|awy | never found out why lenny3 killed the server though |
| 07:48.40 | streuner_ | How do you know that? |
| 07:48.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | they instructions aren't that clear for someone that doesn't know termninology, none that I've tried has told me simply 'put in -string- in your terminal/terminal like program used to manage software installations' |
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| 07:50.10 | Zeit|awy | the boot process stopped before an log entry and I had no access to the console, so I bootet a remote rescue and removed lenny3 and went back to lenny2 - which worked |
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| 07:50.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | do I need to extract the File from the .deb? |
| 07:51.49 | Zeit|awy | now I think about risking another try with lenny4.. probably.. not sure.. ^^ |
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| 07:53.09 | Darkelfjuggalo | all Chrome tells me is The Google Chrome package should install in seconds, and should place an icon for your new browser in the system menu (for example, under Applications / Internet / Google Chrome). |
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| 07:53.15 | zwerg | Hey there. |
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| 07:55.07 | zwerg | My xserver on SID is painfully slow since version 1:7.6+9 when switching windows, or scrolling. 3D effects render just fine. Could also be a nvidia driver problem. Anyone else seen this? |
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| 07:56.26 | streuner_ | Zeit|awy: i guess its a production server, i would ask somebody from the debian-kernel team then |
| 07:58.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok... I'm trying to install Chrome into my Squeeze..I've downloaded the Package from google and extracted it, from there i have no idea what I am doing on installing the web browser |
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| 07:58.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | and the site didt not direct me to instructions |
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| 07:59.12 | thewanderer1 | Darkelfjuggalo: and why are you not using chromium-browser instead, which is free software and available in the repository? |
| 07:59.27 | zwerg | Any hints on how to track down performance problems in xorg |
| 07:59.29 | zwerg | ? |
| 07:59.37 | Darkelfjuggalo | what is Chromium? |
| 07:59.59 | thewanderer1 | ,info chromium-browser |
| 08:00.01 | judd | Package chromium-browser (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Chromium browser. Version: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze5; Size: 12819.8k; Installed: 31976k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/chromium/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/chromium-browser |
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| 08:00.44 | thewanderer1 | it's Chrome but free and without the spyware :P |
| 08:00.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok |
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| 08:01.18 | thewanderer1 | also, Flash *will* fail sometimes, because it's utter crap, no matter what you do |
| 08:03.18 | Darkelfjuggalo | i never had problem with the Flash failing to start on my Previous Windows XP, not while I was on Youtube, or playing games on FB, and it never simply stopped in the middle of it[seperate Shockwave plug-ins did all the time] |
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| 08:04.12 | petern__ | Darkelfjuggalo, there's a apt repo for chrome debs |
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| 08:04.51 | petern__ | and also downloadable debs. no need to extract, just install. |
| 08:05.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok as i've said previously ive yet to understand how to install a package from places other than debian |
| 08:06.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i install chromium and got a game, not a browser |
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| 08:07.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, chromium-bsu |
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| 08:07.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | thewanderer1: showed you the package name 7 minutes ago |
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| 08:07.32 | petern__ | package name is chromium-browser, as said earlier |
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| 08:08.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | i missed that. |
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| 08:10.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | last night i was trying to install an emulator for a Andriod Platform... what page might i find the package name on debian.org [another thing i failed to install 3rd party] |
| 08:10.38 | Zeit|awy | streuner_: yes, it's a database server and no way to upgrade for now, have to keep lenny for some more months |
| 08:11.11 | zwerg | Any place to get old releases (like xserver 1.10 which had been on testing until recently)? |
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| 08:12.25 | Zeit|awy | zwerg: prob. in your local apt cache |
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| 08:12.49 | zwerg | Zeit|awy: Silly me cleared that already. |
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| 08:14.11 | thewanderer1 | Darkelfjuggalo: you can use packages.debian.org to search for packages |
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| 09:11.24 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 09:11.51 | Nebukadneza | what is the correct way to specify new commandline arguments to mysqld using debians init-scripts (i wouldn't want to hack the initscript itself ... but theres no /etc/defaults file or similar ;/) |
| 09:11.54 | Max82fr | Hi peeps, I'm a newbie at Debian. Installed it yesterday. Can someone explain me how to install a tar.gz file??] |
| 09:12.45 | Max82fr | can someone help please? |
| 09:13.27 | Max82fr | anybody here?? |
| 09:13.36 | nutterpc | what file |
| 09:13.51 | Max82fr | it's flashplayer installer |
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| 09:13.57 | Max82fr | it's a tar.gz file |
| 09:14.06 | themill | Max82fr: somehow, we need to work on how you ask questions so it's not quite so painful for the people trying to help you. |
| 09:14.18 | nutterpc | generally there is a readme file inside it, which most of the .tar.gz's run like so |
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| 09:14.28 | Max82fr | themill? |
| 09:14.34 | themill | dpkg: tell Max82fr about adobe flash |
| 09:14.38 | nutterpc | ../configure && make && make install |
| 09:14.43 | bauxit | conficure, make, make install after extract the file |
| 09:14.44 | nutterpc | without the first dot |
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| 09:14.54 | bauxit | *configure |
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| 09:14.58 | nutterpc | *most* .tar.gz files need you to install then like that |
| 09:15.09 | nutterpc | beat u to it bauxit :P |
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| 09:15.20 | bauxit | :) |
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| 09:15.36 | nutterpc | cant argue with Debian on this laptop atm |
| 09:15.47 | nutterpc | which uname option shows system load? |
| 09:15.58 | nutterpc | cant remember, after work and what happened there |
| 09:16.18 | bauxit | u can see server load with top command |
| 09:16.25 | bauxit | top | grep load |
| 09:16.33 | Max82fr | can you all please speak in plain english? As I said I've only just installed Debian |
| 09:16.42 | nutterpc | we did max |
| 09:16.58 | nutterpc | in a console window it normally runs like this |
| 09:17.15 | nutterpc | tar -zxvf <file name>.tar.gz |
| 09:17.27 | nutterpc | ../configure && make && make install |
| 09:17.31 | Max82fr | and that's it? |
| 09:17.32 | nutterpc | most times |
| 09:17.41 | nutterpc | check the gz file for a readme |
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| 09:17.44 | themill | nutterpc: I very much doubt that flash player has those steps. |
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| 09:17.50 | Max82fr | there's no readme |
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| 09:17.54 | nutterpc | some places want you to install stuff different |
| 09:18.02 | nutterpc | it might also be iirc |
| 09:18.07 | nutterpc | a .sh file |
| 09:18.14 | bauxit | nutterpc top show 1, 5, 60min server load its not good? |
| 09:18.26 | Max82fr | Oh for god's sake i just want to be able to play youtube videos from the web browser |
| 09:18.33 | themill | Max82fr: did you do what dpkg told you? |
| 09:18.37 | nutterpc | are u on debian max? |
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| 09:18.56 | Max82fr | yes Debian here |
| 09:18.58 | nutterpc | run Synaptic |
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| 09:19.03 | nutterpc | search for flash |
| 09:19.11 | Max82fr | from where synaptic? |
| 09:19.32 | nutterpc | System -> Administration |
| 09:19.40 | Max82fr | ok 2 secs |
| 09:19.48 | nutterpc | or just use apt-get install flash |
| 09:19.58 | nutterpc | it will present you with a whole heap of options iirc |
| 09:20.02 | themill | nutterpc: umm... you should try that. |
| 09:20.31 | Max82fr | no synaptic in my debian! |
| 09:20.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | o.0 |
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| 09:21.21 | nutterpc | try this |
| 09:21.29 | nutterpc | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:21.43 | nutterpc | had a baaaaaaad day at work, had to use WINDOWS :S |
| 09:21.53 | themill | nutterpc: you'll have to help him add contrib and non-free to his sources.list first. |
| 09:22.02 | Max82fr | nutterpc > LOOK > max82fr@debian:~$ apt-get install flash |
| 09:22.02 | Max82fr | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 09:22.02 | Max82fr | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 09:22.02 | Max82fr | max82fr@debian:~$ ^C |
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| 09:22.19 | nutterpc | normal user |
| 09:22.21 | nutterpc | lol |
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| 09:22.50 | Max82fr | nutterpc> are you there? |
| 09:22.52 | themill | Max82fr: you know by now not to paste into the channel. Please try to think about what it is you're. |
| 09:22.54 | themill | doing. |
| 09:23.03 | Max82fr | didnt know! |
| 09:23.12 | Max82fr | how can I show then?? |
| 09:23.29 | nutterpc | you need to be root user to install software |
| 09:23.33 | nutterpc | Max82fr |
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| 09:23.58 | Max82fr | oki will switch to root and then what do I type? |
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| 09:24.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | scrolls up to see how this starteed |
| 09:24.23 | themill | Max82fr: you need to do what dpkg told you to do 10 minutes ago |
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| 09:24.43 | Max82fr | themill > I was talking to nutterp thank you |
| 09:24.57 | nutterpc | wanders off for a moment |
| 09:25.04 | themill | Max82fr: sure... and what he said to do won't work just yet. But do have fun. |
| 09:25.20 | Max82fr | why won't it work then? |
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| 09:25.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, adobe flash |
| 09:25.28 | themill | did you read what dpkg said? |
| 09:25.32 | Max82fr | I just need flash |
| 09:25.46 | themill | sure. Need flash. Can't read. |
| 09:26.01 | nutterpc | lol, fine, I'll go download the file and find the directions, lol |
| 09:26.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | puts Max82fr in the 'not ineterested in behing helped' box and goes back to dinner |
| 09:26.06 | Max82fr | themill > nah, got lost in his jargon. im a newbie I told ya |
| 09:26.18 | themill | Max82fr: so how about asking for clarification? |
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| 09:26.34 | gentoo_drummer | how can i get ubuntu fonts or cleartype on debian? |
| 09:27.01 | nutterpc | Kamping_Kaiser, want a beer? |
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| 09:27.05 | nutterpc | I have a few left |
| 09:27.08 | nutterpc | :) |
| 09:27.13 | Max82fr | Puts kamping_Kaiser in "can't help myself getting involved and can't even spell when making pointless comments!" |
| 09:27.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | nutterpc: thanks for the offer, but i have a couple in the fridge :) |
| 09:27.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. keep digging that hole Max82fr |
| 09:27.42 | nutterpc | Max82fr, heres what I suggest |
| 09:27.51 | nutterpc | before the hole gets dug mate |
| 09:28.10 | Max82fr | haha (pretend laugh) |
| 09:28.12 | themill | Max82fr: I wouldn't start criticising people for their communications skills if I were you. |
| 09:28.35 | nutterpc | you will need to make sure you can accurately inform us of the steps you have followed |
| 09:28.44 | nutterpc | where it is you are up to |
| 09:28.50 | nutterpc | and most of all |
| 09:28.53 | nutterpc | manners |
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| 09:29.06 | Max82fr | themill> all i m asking is some help, not comments on the fact that I dont understand everything as I said many times, Im new! |
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| 09:29.24 | nutterpc | fellow *nix geeks wont help you if your rude about it. Everyone is new at some point |
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| 09:29.46 | nutterpc | the only way you can learn is by a combination of working *with* people and also getting your hands dirty |
| 09:30.09 | nutterpc | we know where your coming from |
| 09:30.13 | Max82fr | im not rude, I just want answers, not talking about it for ages with no aim to do anything that s all |
| 09:30.15 | themill | Max82fr: Sure. And you'll get lots of help here if you actually follow the instructions you are given, you answer the questions that you are asked and, most importantly, you read the information that you are given. We don't solve problems for people, we help people solve their own problems. |
| 09:30.19 | nutterpc | you've admitted your new, thats step one |
| 09:30.35 | themill | (this isn't an AA meeting) |
| 09:30.46 | Max82fr | themill feels like it! |
| 09:30.46 | nutterpc | Max82fr, thats not the mindset to take, to get help |
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| 09:31.19 | nutterpc | go about it from the mindset of: I need answers to my issues, what am I missing? |
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| 09:31.31 | nutterpc | not I need answers, fix this for me |
| 09:31.48 | Max82fr | .... bored of being bossed around. I was just asking for information... |
| 09:31.59 | nutterpc | its not being bossed |
| 09:32.17 | nutterpc | take a step back |
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| 09:32.58 | themill | Max82fr: You feel frustrated because you're not getting help, we're frustrated because you seem to be impossible to actually help and you'd rather rant than learn. Well, you've got your information now -- dpkg told you everything you need to install flash. Have a nice day! |
| 09:32.58 | nutterpc | you have been provided with a *few* streams of information. But you have also only acted upon maybe 1-2 of them |
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| 09:33.22 | nutterpc | hands themill a red bull |
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| 09:33.39 | nutterpc | if you think installing flash is frustrating Max82fr |
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| 09:33.44 | dos000 | whats the best way to have a local machine as a repository of apt ? for faster local downloads ? |
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| 09:34.17 | themill | dos000: a proxy is your best bet, /msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng |
| 09:34.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | dos000: build a debian mirror? use debmirror and wrap it up in a script :) |
| 09:34.19 | nutterpc | dos000, iirc, you can set it up through mysql, but i think theres also something on the debian wiki floating about |
| 09:34.26 | Max82fr | ive done apt-get install flash and it says: unable to locate flash |
| 09:34.47 | nutterpc | Max82fr, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:34.52 | nutterpc | i got the command wrong |
| 09:34.53 | nutterpc | lol |
| 09:34.59 | dos000 | thanks all ! |
| 09:35.04 | nutterpc | what does *that* say |
| 09:35.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | dos000: np, gl :) |
| 09:35.23 | Max82fr | ok let me try that then |
| 09:35.44 | dos000 | Kamping_Kaiser: i think what i am looking for was apt-cacher-ng |
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| 09:36.07 | dos000 | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks .. of course |
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| 09:36.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | nod. not many people need the whole lot |
| 09:36.23 | Max82fr | it says it has no installation candidate |
| 09:36.28 | nutterpc | right |
| 09:36.34 | nutterpc | what that means Max82fr |
| 09:36.45 | nutterpc | is that you need to enable more repositories |
| 09:37.03 | Max82fr | whats a repository? |
| 09:37.33 | nutterpc | a catalogue of software/libraries in essence |
| 09:37.34 | themill | a store of applications that you can install with apt |
| 09:37.45 | Max82fr | oki ool |
| 09:37.46 | Max82fr | cool |
| 09:37.54 | nutterpc | let me find the website I use for building my sources.list |
| 09:37.56 | Max82fr | how do i do that? |
| 09:38.08 | themill | Max82fr: you need to edit, as root, the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 09:38.18 | themill | nutterpc: please don't give him debgen |
| 09:38.29 | nutterpc | lol |
| 09:38.40 | nutterpc | however did u know :P |
| 09:38.53 | Max82fr | who should i follow? nutterpc or the mill ?? |
| 09:39.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt ships with an example sources.list with all the proper repos in it (in usr) |
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| 09:39.20 | nutterpc | themill, I normally find its easier, thats all |
| 09:39.24 | nutterpc | :) |
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| 09:39.32 | themill | nutterpc: all it does is make trouble for later |
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| 09:40.18 | nutterpc | ahhhh |
| 09:40.34 | Max82fr | nutterpc > sorry you lost me.... what should i do next? |
| 09:40.57 | nutterpc | let themill explain, I need to pee |
| 09:41.00 | nutterpc | if he wants to :P |
| 09:41.06 | nutterpc | runs off to the loo |
| 09:41.10 | Max82fr | lol |
| 09:42.08 | themill | Max82fr: first, can you pastebin the contents of the file /etc/apt/sources.list. Don't paste them here, paste them into http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 09:42.26 | krion | yo |
| 09:43.06 | Max82fr | howdo i do that sorry? |
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| 09:44.20 | Max82fr | how do I go to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 09:46.48 | Max82fr | themill? |
| 09:46.50 | Max82fr | pls |
| 09:46.55 | Mmike | Max82fr, you do: cat /etc/apt/soruces.list |
| 09:47.15 | Mmike | then, displayed contents paste to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 09:47.31 | Mmike | there you'll get a link to a pasted content, and paste that link here |
| 09:47.38 | nameless` | Mmike: maybe you should precise how to ctrl-c and ctrl-v ? :] |
| 09:47.44 | Max82fr | it says no such file or directory |
| 09:48.02 | nameless` | Max82fr: there was a typo in Mmike |
| 09:48.16 | nameless` | Max82fr: find the typo is your quest |
| 09:48.22 | Max82fr | ok so what is it really? |
| 09:48.34 | nameless` | Max82fr: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:48.34 | Max82fr | sources? |
| 09:48.37 | nameless` | yep |
| 09:48.47 | Mmike | yeps, mybad, sorry |
| 09:49.09 | Mmike | Max82fr, you do know how to copy and paste stuff around the open applications, terminals, web browsers, etc, right? |
| 09:49.22 | Max82fr | then paste where sorry? |
| 09:49.34 | Mmike | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 09:50.23 | bolt | How can I replicate the "Last login at X from Y" message pam_lastlog prints at login? The "lastlog" and "last" commands are kind of iffy to parse in a script. Is there a good way to do this? |
| 09:50.32 | Max82fr | i have but it's asking for name and browse?! |
| 09:51.33 | colo-work | bolt, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 09:51.33 | Mmike | Max82fr, what browse? |
| 09:51.46 | Max82fr | done it |
| 09:51.48 | Max82fr | http://paste.debian.net/plain/133182 |
| 09:52.38 | nutterpc | watches his poor little connection getting flogged on BT |
| 09:52.40 | nutterpc | lol |
| 09:52.42 | nutterpc | grins |
| 09:53.19 | Mmike | Max82fr, neat! |
| 09:53.31 | Max82fr | what u mean? |
| 09:53.35 | Mmike | Max82fr, will you be comfortable editing that file? |
| 09:53.51 | Mmike | you need to add 'more repos' there for flash to rowk |
| 09:53.53 | Mmike | erm ,work :) |
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| 09:53.56 | Max82fr | if you guide me through then yeah I suppose. not on my own though |
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| 09:54.16 | Mmike | Max82fr, do you know how to edit files? |
| 09:54.20 | Max82fr | nah |
| 09:54.29 | nutterpc | nano is your friend |
| 09:54.34 | bolt | colo-work: I have a script that runs as ssh's ForceCommand on login. This prevents those messages from being printed, even if the script just ends up launching an interactive shell. When it does launch a shell, I want those messages. |
| 09:54.41 | Mmike | ok, this might sound a bit lame of me, but... how come you ended up with debian? :) |
| 09:54.46 | nutterpc | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:54.59 | nutterpc | as root user |
| 09:56.09 | Max82fr | ok who is explaining me then? |
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| 09:57.06 | Max82fr | > Mmike You left? |
| 09:57.10 | Mmike | nope, still here |
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| 09:57.34 | Max82fr | I've installed Debian as part of my studies |
| 09:57.46 | nutterpc | all i gave was the command you will need to be able to edit files |
| 09:57.48 | nutterpc | :) |
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| 09:58.11 | Mmike | you need to edit that file and add 'contrib' there |
| 09:58.29 | Max82fr | ok so what's the next step then? |
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| 09:58.43 | nutterpc | grabs his beer and sits back and watches |
| 09:58.51 | Mmike | nutterpc, :P :) |
| 09:58.57 | Mmike | it's not even noon here, can't have beer yet! |
| 09:59.11 | nutterpc | passes Mmike a beer |
| 09:59.13 | Max82fr | i know it's just am here |
| 09:59.16 | Mmike | Max82fr, are you comfortable using nano? Do you know how to open the file, save the file, etc, etc? |
| 09:59.17 | Max82fr | 11 sm |
| 09:59.20 | bolt | Max82fr: sounds like you need to... study |
| 09:59.21 | Max82fr | 11 am even |
| 09:59.36 | Max82fr | bolt> no sh*t! |
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| 09:59.46 | nutterpc | Mmike, its easier to get him introduced to nano than it is vi |
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| 10:00.00 | bolt | i mean, study, read, instead of asking about stuff like using a text editor... |
| 10:00.02 | Max82fr | never done it but can do if u explain |
| 10:00.13 | Mmike | nutterpc, naturalmente! |
| 10:00.21 | bolt | just my 2 cents though |
| 10:00.21 | nameless` | nutterpc: Mmike or just give him the echo "http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list command |
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| 10:00.42 | Mmike | well, he needs to understand what is he doing and why is he doing it |
| 10:00.58 | Mmike | if he just needs his flash to work, it's easier to get ubuntu or mint and be done with it |
| 10:01.00 | buhman | I ran acpi, it told me I had 25 seconds of battery 0%. So I quickly initiated standby |
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| 10:01.03 | buhman | the laptop went into standby, and then immediately woke up again |
| 10:01.05 | Mmike | that's why I asked him why was he into Debian? |
| 10:01.06 | buhman | I put it into standby again, it woke up again |
| 10:01.08 | buhman | and again, and it woke up again and died |
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| 10:01.11 | buhman | why? |
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| 10:01.28 | nameless` | Mmike: you're right, i guess :] |
| 10:01.30 | nutterpc | buhman, broken battery |
| 10:01.32 | Max82fr | Debian was recommended by uni for our future work, exams and stuff |
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| 10:01.45 | nameless` | Max82fr: which university ? |
| 10:01.47 | nutterpc | Max82fr, use the command I gave you |
| 10:01.54 | bolt | Max82fr: doesn't your university have a course, some books or other information about it then? |
| 10:02.03 | nutterpc | nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:02.03 | Max82fr | uni of bedforshire |
| 10:02.15 | nameless` | bolt: i would be surprise if the university explain how to get flash work :) |
| 10:02.25 | buhman | nutterpc: what? |
| 10:02.25 | bolt | nameless`: but... using a text editor? |
| 10:02.33 | buhman | nameless`: you're mistaken, battery works fine |
| 10:02.34 | Mmike | Max82fr, get ubuntu, it's verry much like debian, but it's easier for a newcommers to come around. Play with it for a month to get a feel what a root account is, what is shell, what is text editor, how to edit files, what are which files, etc, etc... |
| 10:02.41 | nameless` | buhman: i beg your perdon ? |
| 10:02.42 | buhman | I had legitimately drained it |
| 10:02.48 | Max82fr | oki im in nano now |
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| 10:03.09 | buhman | nameless`: sorry, wrong completion; you spoke and I did n-tab again |
| 10:03.16 | nameless` | buhman: :] |
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| 10:03.28 | nutterpc | Max82fr, you need to find the lines which correspond to debian.org, and add contrib non-free |
| 10:03.41 | buhman | nutterpc: I legitmately drained battery; question is why did it refuse to standby |
| 10:03.42 | Mmike | Max82fr, you need to add 'contrib non-free' (without the ') at the end of each line ending with 'main' |
| 10:03.52 | nutterpc | ahh ok buhman |
| 10:03.56 | nutterpc | hmm |
| 10:04.00 | nutterpc | swap file maybe |
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| 10:04.00 | Mmike | so "deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ squeeze main" becomes "deb http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 10:04.09 | nutterpc | nods |
| 10:04.18 | Mmike | do that, save the file, and paste the contents of the file on pastebin again |
| 10:04.24 | nutterpc | ahh but |
| 10:04.26 | nutterpc | Mmike |
| 10:04.26 | Mmike | and share the URL here when you're done |
| 10:04.38 | nutterpc | he needs to know how to SAVE the file first under nano :P |
| 10:04.49 | nutterpc | sculls his beer |
| 10:05.02 | themill | (don't add contrib and non-free to the cdrom line) |
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| 10:05.18 | nutterpc | once the necessary lines have been edited |
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| 10:05.40 | nutterpc | press and hold Ctrl, then hit O |
| 10:05.51 | nutterpc | that brings up the save prompt down the bottom |
| 10:05.53 | Mmike | huh, true, themill . Max82fr, don't add it to the cdrom line, in fact, you can comment out (that means: add # at the begining of the line) the cdrom line |
| 10:06.15 | nutterpc | hit enter, and then still pressing and holding Ctrl |
| 10:06.18 | nutterpc | hit X |
| 10:06.26 | Mmike | Max82fr, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nano-basics-guide.xml <- nano basics |
| 10:06.37 | nutterpc | Mmike, u need scotch |
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| 10:06.55 | nutterpc | looks at a bottle of 18yr old highland single malt sitting on his desk |
| 10:07.05 | Mmike | nutterpc, how do you know I fancy those? :) |
| 10:07.33 | nutterpc | whistles innocently |
| 10:07.59 | nameless` | who dislikes scotch anyway ? |
| 10:08.09 | nutterpc | and the good stuff at that |
| 10:08.14 | nutterpc | 18Yr old |
| 10:08.15 | nutterpc | =) |
| 10:09.22 | Mmike | is looking at a not-even-opened-yet bottle of Talisker |
| 10:09.37 | Mmike | and I do have some Tullamore Dew somewhere |
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| 10:10.50 | zaak | hi, any maintainer on libvirt? |
| 10:11.21 | nutterpc | now, Max82fr |
| 10:11.34 | nutterpc | how have u gone on adding those entries to the sources.list |
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| 10:13.46 | Max82fr | hang on sorry. getting a bit confused |
| 10:14.00 | Max82fr | im now back in nano, with a colour screen... |
| 10:14.30 | Max82fr | you want me to add contrib non-free to the end of every lines that say main?? |
| 10:14.36 | nutterpc | nods |
| 10:14.42 | nutterpc | EXCEPT |
| 10:14.51 | nutterpc | the ones which reference the installation media |
| 10:15.05 | nutterpc | eg: the CD or DVD you used to install Debian |
| 10:15.31 | bolt | whoa |
| 10:15.41 | bolt | i go out to lunch, come back, and we're still adding sources? |
| 10:15.56 | Max82fr | the cd rom line doesnt have main at the end anyway |
| 10:16.11 | themill | it does in your paste |
| 10:16.22 | Max82fr | not in nano |
| 10:16.24 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/484985/ |
| 10:16.38 | buhman | ^ as you can see it resumes *immediately* after suspend |
| 10:16.48 | buhman | and no reported errors |
| 10:17.06 | Max82fr | is there anythng i need to type to edit it or i just type it over |
| 10:17.08 | Max82fr | ? |
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| 10:18.32 | Mmike | Max82fr, you realy need to be comfortable editing files |
| 10:18.47 | nutterpc | i think Mmike had it right earlier |
| 10:18.51 | Max82fr | will be but just tell me pls |
| 10:18.54 | Mmike | Have you used a computer before? Any computer, on any OS? Windows? Familiar with notepad? |
| 10:19.00 | nutterpc | Max82fr, your going to be better off using Ubuntu |
| 10:19.11 | nutterpc | Debian is not geared towards beginner users |
| 10:19.14 | Max82fr | too late, got debian on now |
| 10:19.44 | Mmike | ubuntu also has /etc/apt/sources.list, and also uses apt for package management, and what you lear there is going to be of great value for debian, but lerning curve is much more... not-steep |
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| 10:20.28 | Max82fr | ok ive added it to the lines now. how do i save it pls? |
| 10:20.41 | nutterpc | I told you before |
| 10:20.50 | nutterpc | press and hold ctrl |
| 10:20.54 | nutterpc | then hit O |
| 10:21.04 | nutterpc | brings up nano's save option |
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| 10:21.17 | nutterpc | then you just need to hit enter to save the changes you have made |
| 10:21.31 | nutterpc | and then holding ctrl, press X |
| 10:21.34 | nutterpc | which exits nano |
| 10:21.58 | Mmike | Max82fr, you can't have those kind of questions asked :) I realy don't want to sound like an ass, but it's like trying to learn how to do a handbrake turn in a car but having no idea on how to start the engine, and then saying 'just start it for me, I only want to learn handbrake turn' |
| 10:22.17 | thewanderer1 | actually, doesn't the Debian Reference Manual answer the text editing question? |
| 10:22.24 | nutterpc | mhmm |
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| 10:22.41 | Max82fr | nutterpc> is it ctrl 0 (as in zero) or O the letter? |
| 10:22.49 | nutterpc | the letter |
| 10:23.08 | Max82fr | cause it says ctrl O is write out |
| 10:23.13 | Max82fr | does it mean save? |
| 10:23.37 | nutterpc | yes |
| 10:24.11 | Max82fr | it says: [ Error writing /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied ] |
| 10:24.18 | nutterpc | means your not root user |
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| 10:24.28 | nutterpc | :) |
| 10:24.28 | Max82fr | i was! |
| 10:24.35 | Max82fr | crap, i start again |
| 10:24.45 | nutterpc | if u get permission denied |
| 10:24.50 | nutterpc | your not root user |
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| 10:26.48 | Max82fr | nutterpc> all done and saved |
| 10:26.59 | nutterpc | now |
| 10:27.06 | nutterpc | type the following commands |
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| 10:27.14 | themill | (as root) |
| 10:27.38 | _KaszpiR_ | sudo |
| 10:27.38 | nutterpc | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:27.41 | _KaszpiR_ | for the win |
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| 10:27.55 | nutterpc | if u type it as root, as i have it |
| 10:27.57 | themill | _KaszpiR_: if that's installed and configured. Do you know if it is? |
| 10:28.23 | nutterpc | Debian will commence each command in series |
| 10:28.35 | Max82fr | done |
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| 10:29.05 | nutterpc | did u run that command? |
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| 10:29.10 | nutterpc | it should install flash now |
| 10:29.12 | Max82fr | last line says: flashplayer11 tar.gz saved |
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| 10:29.22 | _KaszpiR_ | themill well, good point ;) |
| 10:29.24 | Max82fr | meaning that youtube will work? |
| 10:29.36 | nutterpc | wait for it Max82fr |
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| 10:29.41 | nutterpc | its still going |
| 10:29.43 | Max82fr | ok |
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| 10:30.23 | Max82fr | no, it's finished |
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| 10:30.47 | nutterpc | looks where the last of his pizza is |
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| 10:32.33 | Max82fr | look> http://pastebin.com/FTFx2VvQ |
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| 10:33.45 | Max82fr | nutterpc> seen my paste? does it mean it's done? |
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| 10:34.01 | themill | yes |
| 10:34.28 | raro | Hola |
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| 10:34.44 | Max82fr | doesn't work though |
| 10:35.48 | Max82fr | and also, ive got nsluginviewer crashing evrytime i go on a webpage?! |
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| 10:37.40 | Max82fr | nutterpc>? |
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| 10:37.58 | nutterpc | need food |
| 10:38.01 | nutterpc | and more beer |
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| 10:39.08 | Max82fr | what should i do next? :-( |
| 10:40.37 | jaggz | can't find mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 10:40.43 | jaggz | I'm trying to use aptitude.. any idears? |
| 10:41.16 | thewanderer1 | jaggz: kernel.org is down for maintenance, try cdn.debian.net (or was it cdn.debian.org?) instead |
| 10:41.17 | themill | jaggz: kernel.org hasn't been there for a few weeks; pick a different mirror. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 10:41.23 | Max82fr | nutterpc?? |
| 10:41.27 | themill | thewanderer1: .net |
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| 10:46.40 | Mmike | Max82fr, why don't you try Ubuntu? Or Mint?/ |
| 10:47.21 | Max82fr | mmike because the teacher at uni has said to get Debian, and it's installed now, so got to sort this out. :-( |
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| 10:48.10 | bla | I'm trying to install Debian on SSD-disc. Squeeze installer I use (20100912) doesn't detect drive. Any idea what modules to try, or should I use never installer? |
| 10:48.17 | Max82fr | can you help pls |
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| 10:48.46 | babilen | Max82fr: So, flashplugin-nonfree is installed? What is the output of "dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree|tail -n 1"? Have you restarted your browser? (Which?) Did you install flash in any other way before? |
| 10:48.50 | Max82fr | im half way through, ive modified the file in nano and installed flashplayer |
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| 10:49.46 | Max82fr | ive added contrib non-free to the main lines and installed flash |
| 10:50.16 | Max82fr | what next? |
| 10:50.43 | babilen | Max82fr: How? What is the output of the command I just mentioned? Which browser are you using? Have you restarted it before you attempted to use flash? Is the flash plugin listed on the "about:plugins" page? If so, which version? |
| 10:51.12 | Max82fr | using Konqueror |
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| 10:51.53 | babilen | Max82fr: Could you try iceweasel please? And please answer the rest of my questions as well. |
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| 10:52.16 | Max82fr | http://pastebin.com/cbFaeKkZ |
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| 10:53.27 | jaggz | :) |
| 10:53.34 | Max82fr | works on iceweasel for some reason?! |
| 10:54.05 | babilen | Max82fr: Are you logged in as root or is this just specific to that shell? Does it work in iceweasel? Have you restarted Konqueror before you attempted to use flash? Could you start konqueror from a shell (*not* as root) and check if you get any error messages? How exactly does it crash? |
| 10:54.06 | Mmike | Max82fr, so it works? |
| 10:54.22 | themill | !dbugs 549309 |
| 10:54.26 | dpkg | #549309:N[konqueror-nsplugins] konqueror-nsplugins: nsplugin SEGVs on all flash sites (); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:00:01 UTC [] |
| 10:54.32 | Max82fr | it works on iceweasel |
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| 10:54.59 | thewanderer1 | Konqueror is not a good browser for Flash |
| 10:55.02 | themill | Max82fr: just use iceweasel then. Problem solved! |
| 10:55.13 | babilen | Max82fr: Great, so use iceweasel and read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309 |
| 10:55.28 | Max82fr | i get an error from nsluginviewer crashing evrytime i go on a webpage with konqueror |
| 10:55.45 | themill | yeah, we get that. And now you've got the solution. |
| 10:56.20 | babilen | Max82fr: Yes, that bug is known. Just use iceweasel and carry on. I would also recommend to read a bit about Linux and Debian. |
| 10:56.36 | babilen | !tell Max82fr -about general cli tutorial |
| 10:56.40 | babilen | !tell Max82fr -about reference |
| 10:56.44 | babilen | !tell Max82fr -about grounding |
| 10:56.51 | babilen | Max82fr: That should get you going. |
| 10:56.51 | Max82fr | will do but how come konqueror doesnt work properly? |
| 10:57.24 | babilen | Max82fr: Please read the bug report I've linked |
| 10:57.28 | themill | Max82fr: no-one seems to really understand that bug -- it was reported two years ago and is probably quite difficult to fix because it deals with flash for which we don't have the source code. |
| 10:57.56 | Max82fr | perhaps it's best to uninstall Konqueror? |
| 10:58.45 | themill | Max82fr: if you're using KDE you'll find it rather hard to uninstall. Just tell KDE that you want iceweasel to be your browser instead. |
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| 10:58.58 | Max82fr | ok how do you do that? |
| 11:00.16 | CVirus | How come Sid and Wheezy contain packages of the same version ? |
| 11:00.36 | themill | Max82fr: System Settings -> Default applications -> Web browser |
| 11:00.39 | Max82fr | and also i wanted to install firefox... can anyone explain me how to? please :-) |
| 11:00.50 | bolt | How can I replicate the "Last login at X from Y" message pam_lastlog prints at login? The "lastlog" and "last" commands are kind of iffy to parse in a script. Is there a good way to do this? |
| 11:00.52 | Bushmills | !iceweasel |
| 11:00.52 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 11:01.01 | themill | CVirus: they should unless there has just been a new upload of a package. |
| 11:01.18 | CVirus | themill: aha |
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| 11:01.42 | CVirus | themill: why isn't kde 4.7 uploaded to Sid yet ? |
| 11:01.55 | themill | CVirus: work in progress, sooner if you help. |
| 11:02.01 | Guest55925 | CVirus: developer uploads to SID, after a testing time that package migrates into testing, once release team people thinks testing is good enough, there is a stable release. (as simple explanation) |
| 11:02.31 | Guest55925 | CVirus: some other packages might be in experimental which dont migrate to anything |
| 11:02.32 | CVirus | themill: will start helping out really soon .. I'm still installing Debian in a vm :-) |
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| 11:02.56 | Max82fr | how can i install firefox please? |
| 11:03.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Max82fr about mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:03.09 | bolt | Max82fr: see what dpkg told you |
| 11:03.30 | CVirus | Guest55925: thanks |
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| 11:04.41 | Max82fr | seen this but it still doesn't tell me how to install firefox? does it?? |
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| 11:05.24 | thewanderer1 | Max82fr: what is your problem with Iceweasel? |
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| 11:05.48 | themill | Max82fr: iceweasel is firefox with a different icon. No-one here is going to spend 4 hours with you helping you change that icon. |
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| 11:06.18 | babilen | Max82fr: Iceweasel *is* Firefox *is* Iceweasel -- It uses a different name and icon that is all. |
| 11:07.00 | Max82fr | i just prefer firefox's layout |
| 11:07.10 | themill | it's the same... |
| 11:07.15 | Max82fr | is it?? |
| 11:07.35 | Max82fr | why is it not called the same then? |
| 11:07.45 | themill | did you read what dpkg said? |
| 11:08.22 | Max82fr | yeah! bit in depth for me at this stage lol |
| 11:08.42 | Max82fr | thanks for your help peeps! |
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| 11:09.09 | nutterpc | Max82fr, the bill will be in the mail soon |
| 11:09.10 | nutterpc | lol |
| 11:09.15 | Max82fr | i wanted to know.... how do i get all the cool desktop animations working and the fancy task bar at the bottom? |
| 11:09.18 | Mmike | Max82fr, you're persistent, got to give you that :) |
| 11:09.20 | Max82fr | lol |
| 11:09.34 | Max82fr | well yeah i want to learn |
| 11:09.35 | babilen | Max82fr: Please do yourself and us a favour and read the documentation dpkg told you about in private. |
| 11:10.22 | Mmike | Max82fr, that's neat, but, you have to learn, and that means a lot of reading and thinkering on your own... |
| 11:10.49 | CVirus | themill: how can I track the upload progress of KDE 4.7 to Sid ? |
| 11:11.34 | Max82fr | ok will do |
| 11:11.52 | Max82fr | how do i get the animations to work though? |
| 11:12.03 | nutterpc | Max82fr, seriously mate |
| 11:12.07 | nutterpc | one thing at a time |
| 11:12.09 | nutterpc | lol |
| 11:12.32 | nutterpc | the way you will learn more |
| 11:12.42 | nutterpc | is by reading, researching & doing |
| 11:12.47 | nutterpc | in that order |
| 11:12.52 | babilen | (and lots of thinking) |
| 11:12.58 | nutterpc | hence researching |
| 11:13.03 | nutterpc | ^^ |
| 11:13.10 | Max82fr | not as intuitive as windows then!! |
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| 11:13.23 | nutterpc | Linux was never meant to be |
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| 11:14.10 | babilen | My mom thinks linux is easier to use than windows fwiw </offtopic> |
| 11:14.55 | themill | CVirus: following the pkg-qt-kde mailing list is probably the best way. I don't know of an automated tracker of some sort for that team. |
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| 11:15.47 | nutterpc | babilen, my best mate is about ready to throw windows out |
| 11:15.58 | nutterpc | once linux is setup, and you instruct the person on what to do |
| 11:16.04 | CVirus | themill: thanks a lot |
| 11:16.05 | nutterpc | it *IS* imo, easier than windows |
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| 11:37.02 | SuperB44 | hello |
| 11:37.52 | zumbi | dpkg: greet SuperB44 |
| 11:37.52 | dpkg | Bonjour, SuperB44 |
| 11:38.31 | SuperB44 | bocsi, de tudnátok segÃteni egy kicsit? |
| 11:39.02 | zumbi | SuperB44: this is english channel |
| 11:39.11 | ElDiabolo | How do I halt a system that does not shut down on halt because of hardware problems? |
| 11:39.22 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: pull the plug |
| 11:39.35 | SuperB44 | KMess connecting problem :( |
| 11:39.47 | ElDiabolo | Is there a recommended least damage way? |
| 11:40.01 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: halt first, then pull the plug... |
| 11:40.28 | thewanderer1 | when your kernel says "system halted", it should be safe to do so |
| 11:41.57 | zumbi | dpkg: tell SuperB44 about hu |
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| 11:42.12 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, It does not. halt hangs. |
| 11:42.22 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: at what stage? |
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| 11:42.43 | p0g0 | ElDiabolo: do you still have a console? |
| 11:42.51 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, Early. Desktop is still usable. |
| 11:43.16 | p0g0 | ElDiabolo: open a console, and try "telinit 6" |
| 11:43.44 | thewanderer1 | ElDiabolo: how exactly does it "hang"? |
| 11:44.52 | ElDiabolo | p0g0, Thx. This did it. |
| 11:45.19 | thewanderer1 | O.o |
| 11:45.37 | thewanderer1 | well, try "shutdown" then instead of calling "halt"... it should work better |
| 11:45.38 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, It says ".. going down.. ", syslog says that too, but nothing else happens. |
| 11:45.53 | thewanderer1 | as in, shutdown -h now |
| 11:46.09 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, telinit 6 did it. |
| 11:46.20 | thewanderer1 | yeah but it's used for rebooting the machine |
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| 11:46.55 | thewanderer1 | for shutting down, telinit 0 is the proper one |
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| 11:50.16 | ElDiabolo | Uh, just looked, it did not fully shut down. It just got much further. |
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| 11:52.00 | ElDiabolo | Remote login is still possible. |
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| 11:55.57 | p0g0 | ElDiabolo: what files and processes are still open/running? "ps -A; lsof" You might be able to explicitly kill the offending process (or not). You can try "telinit 0" as well, tho I wouldn't expect that to work better than the 6.. |
| 12:00.59 | ElDiabolo | p0g0, There are processes with a D. I think the partition at /home is no longer writable due to lvm problems. |
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| 12:05.57 | p0g0 | ElDiabolo: viz http://linuxgazette.net/issue83/tag/6.html |
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| 12:07.22 | ElDiabolo | p0g0, Just pulled the plug after sync. Will read that anyway. Thx. |
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| 12:07.46 | p0g0 | ElDiabolo: well, the basic message was that you'd have to reboot somehow... |
| 12:08.12 | p0g0 | unless you could rmmod or kill the parent processes. |
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| 12:11.58 | CVirus | Debian is too slow in a vm :-( |
| 12:12.22 | bla | Doesn't sound like a Debian problem. |
| 12:13.12 | CVirus | bla: definitely |
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| 12:14.25 | nkuttler | CVirus: Debian is as "fast" as the hardware you put it on. vm problem |
| 12:14.35 | Bushmills | runs fine in VMs here |
| 12:14.56 | CVirus | it's weird that other operating systems are running fine in VM though |
| 12:14.57 | Bushmills | maybe "in an vm" needs more detailling |
| 12:15.04 | CVirus | VirtualBox |
| 12:15.28 | Bushmills | kvm here. no appreciable performance loss. |
| 12:15.28 | CVirus | I think it's a GPU problem |
| 12:16.19 | wols | there is always a performance loss. I/O in VMs suck |
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| 12:16.48 | bla | Use vserver/openvz/lxc. |
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| 12:17.12 | bla | Or make sure you're able to paravirtualize your debian (modules) |
| 12:18.37 | CVirus | bla: thanks |
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| 12:27.38 | niklaswe | have someone setup goosh (google shell) |
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| 12:33.26 | bolt | How can I replicate the "Last login at X from Y" message pam_lastlog prints at login? The "lastlog" and "last" commands are kind of iffy to parse in a script. Is there a good way to do this? I use ssh's ForceCommand in my sshd_config, and that prevents this from being printer. I want my ForceCommand script to do so. |
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| 12:33.54 | bolt | printed* |
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| 12:35.11 | bolt | can i call the map module manually or something, just to have it print that text? |
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| 12:36.56 | thewanderer1 | hi. are there any plans to ship the updated Tor for Squeeze, so that Iranian users are still able to connect through my relay? |
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| 12:37.46 | thewanderer1 | I understand that Squeeze only includes security updates, but this is critical to the proper functioning of the network |
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| 12:40.18 | themill | thewanderer1: there was talk of a tor update on d-release. Check there and/or gratuitously ping weasel. |
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| 12:42.33 | thewanderer1 | themill: are you referring to a mailing list or a channel? |
| 12:44.52 | themill | thewanderer1: yes. |
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| 12:45.37 | thewanderer1 | themill: right... :P |
| 12:45.54 | thewanderer1 | I'll look on OFTC then |
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| 12:53.50 | NodeX | howdee people's : I have a slight weird issue with Debian Squeeze ... Every now and again it goes into sleep or hibernation until it's pinged remotely then it wakes up ... I can't work out where to debug this .. it's a fresh install wiht only nginx running on it, anyone else have this before ? |
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| 12:55.02 | NodeX | I should ass there is no window manager of any sort on the system, it's a minimal install |
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| 12:55.57 | abaddon | hi, i have a problem with fonts in iceweasel, if i check Allow pages to specify their own fonts, i get blank text on some pages, i have mscorefonts, liberation and others, i did a minimum install so maybe its a missing fonts issue? a page where the top menu comes out blank: drupalchat.org , chromium, konqueror or opera work fine |
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| 12:56.37 | abaddon | im on debian wheezy, with iceweasel 5.0, had the same problem before the 5 upgrade from 3.5 |
| 12:56.55 | Ender79 | can anyone give me a pointer to instructions for setting up USB keyboard/mouse wakeup (from suspend)? I see lots of tips about enabling devices with /proc/acpi/wakeup but when i enable one of the USB devices this way, my computer wakes up from suspend instantly (never really goes to sleep, fan spins higher for 0.5 secs like it does when it is resumed normally) if i enable the other it doesn't do that but keyboard/mouse don't wake it |
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| 12:57.50 | joelio | Anyone know what the preseed values are to *not* ask what kernel image I want to install on Wheezy is? |
| 12:58.31 | joelio | n/p it's in debconf-get-selections I think |
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| 13:01.00 | abrotman | abaddon: is the 'xorg' package installed? |
| 13:01.17 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: strange that a suspended system would answer to ping... are you sure it's in an ACPI sleep state? |
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| 13:02.35 | abaddon | abaddon installing it now and i'll restart X to see what happens, i didnt have it installed because i was trying to just have the absolute minimum required, brb |
| 13:02.40 | abaddon | abrotman ^^^ |
| 13:02.44 | abaddon | thanks |
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| 13:04.58 | NodeX | thewanderer1 : i'll check |
| 13:05.46 | NodeX | It's very strange ... if you don't SSH into the system for about 18 hours it stops responding to everything (web/ssh etc) - when you ping it then it wakes up |
| 13:06.09 | NodeX | at first I thought it was my connection so I asked 10 other people to try it, but it's the same for all |
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| 13:07.07 | NodeX | the ping could be coincidence because sometimes it wakes up after attempting to SSH 3 or 4 times .. the ISP swears it isn;t their network at the data center and blames my route to the server |
| 13:07.41 | NodeX | I should mention it's connected @ 10gbps via a broadcom netextreme 11 |
| 13:07.47 | abrotman | abaddon: in general, it's a good idea to have that packge installed .. i realize the extra drivers are useless .. but they aren't that large |
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| 13:10.12 | NaCl | Where might I find the debian CA cert? Firefox is whining whenever I hit alioth. |
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| 13:10.58 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: are you blocking ping requests on the server? |
| 13:11.05 | NodeX | thewanderer1 : no |
| 13:11.56 | thewanderer1 | and only ping ever wakes it up? |
| 13:12.04 | NodeX | It's weird because if the system was going into hibernation it would log it somewhere |
| 13:12.14 | thewanderer1 | well, supposedly |
| 13:12.14 | NodeX | 3 or 4 SSH attempts will wake it up |
| 13:12.31 | NodeX | but ping seems to (the twice I tried so far) |
| 13:12.36 | thewanderer1 | here's an idea: make a daemon that logs something every minute, along with the data |
| 13:12.40 | thewanderer1 | s/data/date/ |
| 13:12.57 | thewanderer1 | and upon looking at the log, you will know whether the system was running at any given hour |
| 13:13.12 | NodeX | just cron it perhaps ? |
| 13:13.16 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 13:13.21 | thewanderer1 | every minute or sth like that |
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| 13:17.07 | NodeX | I just wrote a quick bash logger to echo to a file every minute it was up |
| 13:17.23 | NodeX | and we'll see if there is gaps ... if there is then it's the OS, if not then it's the network card |
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| 13:19.33 | thewanderer1 | oh btw, there should be some link down / link up messages if the card is flaky :P |
| 13:19.46 | NodeX | that's what I thought |
| 13:19.49 | NodeX | but there is nothing |
| 13:20.15 | abaddon | abrotman didnt fix it, i also upgraded and dist-upgraded, did a full restart, firefox is 6.0.2 now, it has the same issue |
| 13:20.15 | thewanderer1 | since you're already running a logger, add a ping command to it with 2 or 3 nearest hops |
| 13:20.16 | NodeX | I have this ... Sep 17 23:09:10 h149-3-140-194 kernel: [ 4.776113] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.PMI0._GHL] (Node ffff88043fc2bd40), AE_NOT_EXIST |
| 13:20.19 | thewanderer1 | see where the link is cut off |
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| 13:20.47 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: ah, crappy Intel ACPI. it didn't affect the network card for me. but it raises CPU usage to 100%, right? |
| 13:21.19 | NodeX | Not sure ... |
| 13:21.23 | NodeX | I never am online to check |
| 13:21.28 | NodeX | can i turn it off easy ? |
| 13:21.33 | NodeX | I also have this... Sep 20 01:16:16 h149-3-140-194 kernel: [ 9322.311922] bnx2x: Warning: Unqualified SFP+ module detected on eth2, Port 0 from Molex Inc. part number 74752-9506 |
| 13:21.35 | thewanderer1 | for me one thread was always running at 100% |
| 13:22.27 | thewanderer1 | you can't do anything about ACPI bugs (maybe a DSDT override would help but it's an ad-hoc fix), and Intel doesn't usually give a crap |
| 13:22.35 | NodeX | :( |
| 13:22.50 | NodeX | I have 4 of these servers and this is the only bad one |
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| 13:23.39 | thewanderer1 | is that ICH7? |
| 13:23.55 | NodeX | I don't know what ICH7 is sorry |
| 13:24.04 | thewanderer1 | Intel chipset... should show up in lspci |
| 13:24.29 | NodeX | yer Intel soryr |
| 13:24.34 | abrotman | abaddon: IW should be 7 |
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| 13:24.48 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 13:24.50 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: what version of it? can I have the complete output of lspci? |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 13:24.54 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-10; wheezy: 6.0.2-1; sid: 7.0-1 |
| 13:25.06 | abrotman | uh .. i guess hta'ts only if you're using mozilla.debian.net |
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| 13:25.14 | abrotman | abaddon: what about another browser? |
| 13:25.30 | NodeX | http://pastebin.com/uL4Q6Mt0 |
| 13:25.35 | abaddon | abrotman its 6 in wheezy, i dont use the one from sid but i could test with that though http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel .. other browsers work fine, tested with chromium, konqueror, opera |
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| 13:30.26 | abaddon | the same on iceweasel 7, blank/empty text, its like the text is not there, without any space reserved for rendering it |
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| 13:32.53 | janis | hi guys!! CAn I make aptitude do what I tell it to? |
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| 13:33.03 | NodeX | lmfao |
| 13:33.17 | NodeX | is it being a naughty little boy and not eating it's veggies ? :P |
| 13:33.43 | janis | NodeX, exactly!! Keeps slipping updates when I order it to remove some lbgksu |
| 13:33.53 | NodeX | --purge ? |
| 13:34.00 | janis | I was thinking some --force leash... |
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| 13:34.02 | babilen | s/--// |
| 13:34.11 | babilen | !tell janis -about bat |
| 13:34.14 | janis | or a bad dog command.. |
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| 13:34.51 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: ok well, Intel 3400. slightly less crap than ICH7, but still buggy :P |
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| 13:35.46 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: as I mentioned, add some ping to your logger so that you know where the routing fails |
| 13:35.55 | janis | well, I just want aptitude to behave somewhat like apt-get. tries to get the job done. Not offering alternatives, unless it *really* can't do it |
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| 13:36.09 | thewanderer1 | NodeX: say, check the first and the second hop |
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| 13:36.21 | thewanderer1 | janis: use apt-get :) |
| 13:36.44 | janis | thewanderer1, then i'd like aptitude to spit the package names that i'm telling it to alter |
| 13:36.46 | babilen | janis: Just use apt-get? But we can *not* help you if you do not provide more information. See the private message dpkg sent you for some suggestions. |
| 13:36.48 | abrotman | abaddon: /win 4 |
| 13:36.51 | abrotman | grrr |
| 13:37.15 | ChibaPet | Hey all. Is there a reasonable way to find out which repository a package is to be pulled from? |
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| 13:38.02 | abrotman | !tell ChibaPet about which repo |
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| 13:38.18 | ChibaPet | thank you |
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| 13:39.01 | themill | ChibaPet: one that's not installed yet? apt-cache policy packagename (or increase aptitude's verbosity with --show-versions) |
| 13:39.35 | janis | babilen, I want a graphical way to choose packages and then use some apt-get like command to remove them. Neither apt-get nor aptitude can do the task by default, as it seems. I'd like to think that the way the packages are to be chosen should be irrelevant, but they are such that would essentially bering the distro to its basic needed packages (no X, no servers, just ssh and basic stuff) |
| 13:39.57 | ChibaPet | In this case, it's one that's installed and pending upgrade, but I believe the upgrade is from a local repository. |
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| 13:41.00 | NodeX | I'll see what they come up with thewanderer1 (the ISP is doing a diagnostic for me as we speak) |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | ChibaPet: apt-cache policy foo |
| 13:41.29 | babilen | janis: I would guess that you are removing of a package that is a dependency of a metapackage which is in turn removed along with the other dependencies. But as I said: There is nothing we can do if you don't provide more information. |
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| 13:42.12 | janis | babilen, in that case, would some command make aptitude happy (and me exilarated) to rip the whole dependency tree? |
| 13:42.16 | ChibaPet | thank you again - the long pipeline suggested by the bot didn't seem to quite work |
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| 13:43.03 | janis | I take the full responsibility, I ralize I'm asking something most probably not recommended and certainly not supported, I am just asking for a gun to kill my distro :) |
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| 13:43.57 | abaddon | abrotman these fixed it gsfonts-other gsfonts-x11, i already had gsfonts, traced to those from some strace output.. so installing those fixed my issue with iceweasel displaying blank text on some pages :-) |
| 13:44.34 | pcjimmy | hello . first time join debian group |
| 13:44.39 | themill | ChibaPet: those commands are about analysing the past not predicting the future |
| 13:45.25 | pcjimmy | Directly speaking I have a problem right now |
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| 13:47.18 | pcjimmy | When I use "mpt-status" View my RAID card and partition, Error says: "IOCTL: No such device found" I am doing is 1. Install mpt-status, but said after mptctl is missing 2. Using "using mknod / dev / mptctl-c 10 22" added mptctl to the kernel 3. Add "modprobe mptctl" to "/ etc / modules" 4. Restart and the mptctl successfully loaded, but using "mpt-status" Error "IOCTL: No such Device" |
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| 13:47.58 | pcjimmy | When I use "mpt-status" View my RAID card and partition, Error says: "IOCTL: No such device found" |
| 13:48.16 | pcjimmy | What I did : 1. Install mpt-status, but said after mptctl is missing 2. Using "using mknod / dev / mptctl-c 10 22" added mptctl to the kernel |
| 13:48.24 | pcjimmy | 3. Add "modprobe mptctl" to "/ etc / modules" 4. Restart and the mptctl successfully loaded, |
| 13:48.28 | babilen | janis: Show me the information dpkg told you about and I might be able to help you. Please provide it all in a single paste on http://paste.debian.net :) |
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| 13:48.56 | pcjimmy | however when I use "mpt-status" this Error shown "IOCTL: No such Device" |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | cute ... |
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| 13:50.38 | Virtualmix | Hello everyone. I'm running Debian Testing and my system is very slow and not responsive since yesterday's updates. Often the display freezes for a few seconds with only the mouse cursor available. Any idea on that issue? |
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| 13:52.25 | DammitJim | I'm on Debian wheezy and I'm getting this warning when the device boots: |
| 13:52.27 | DammitJim | Sep 30 09:43:15 I1121-Mario udevd[293]: timeout: killing 'usb_id --export /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.4/1-1.4:1.0/video4linux/video0' [492] |
| 13:52.34 | pcjimmy | already posted on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:52.52 | jelly | when building a custom kernel for etch (don't ask), which options need to be there to have udev and initramfs support? |
| 13:52.53 | pcjimmy | please check "babilen" Thanks |
| 13:53.10 | Virtualmix | My problem seems to be because of a bug with Xorg. |
| 13:53.16 | DammitJim | it delays the boot for 30 seconds |
| 13:54.09 | Virtualmix | Right now /usr/bin/Xorg is using 100% of the CPU... |
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| 13:56.03 | Sc0rian | i installed a script today now my debian box says this when i apt-get insserv: warning: script 'VRTSralus.init' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 13:57.03 | daemonkeeper | Sc0rian: Probably you upgraded from Lenny recently and/or a init script you use was not concerted. |
| 13:57.08 | daemonkeeper | *converted |
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| 14:00.12 | janis | babilen, thanks!! I did get to terms with aptitude!! I chose some other set of packages, and It was happy to obey! :) |
| 14:00.55 | qwer` | Hello. Does someone know a "debian-like" mail provider, which respects privacy? |
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| 14:01.33 | janis | if you are curious, I wrote a half description in http://paste.debian.net/133222/ untill I actually managed the task |
| 14:01.47 | qwd | Debian Squeeze on Powerbook G4. Trying to get right click to work. Here's my /etc/init.d/mouseemu http://pastebin.com/eiiVCXYd I do /etc/init.d/mouseemu stop and then start and it still doesn't work. No right click, no scroll. I've tried enabling F10 and F11 as well, but those also didn't work. |
| 14:03.09 | Sc0rian | thanks daemonkeeper |
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| 15:36.11 | geekbri | I'm struggling a bit with building my own .debs (and understanding the documentation). It seems i've succesfully run dpkg-buildpackage but I don't understand how to turn this into a binary .deb now. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:37.24 | debsan | geekbri, if you ran dpkg-buildpackage a .deb was created |
| 15:37.25 | jelly | geekbri: if you have run dpkg-buildpackage [...] -b [...] it ought to have created binary .debs in the parent directory |
| 15:37.32 | wols | dpkg-buildpackage is supposed to create the .deb. are you compiling debian packages or make your own? |
| 15:37.47 | geekbri | I'm trying to build my own package (for use by me only) |
| 15:37.56 | jelly | and it would have told so |
| 15:38.08 | debsan | geekbri, look if there were any errors |
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| 15:38.18 | wols | but from debian sources or everything by yourself? e.g. are you a packager or programmer? |
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| 15:38.31 | jelly | geekbri: pastebin your complete run, together with the complete command line |
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| 15:38.42 | geekbri | ok hold on, trying to digest all this. |
| 15:39.21 | jelly | *burp* |
| 15:39.26 | debsan | xd |
| 15:39.48 | geekbri | wols: i am a programmer, but I am trying to build my own custom php5.3.8 .deb, I built this from sources myself. I'm sure I didn't do this perfectly as its my first try, I didn't even setup the proper configuration files it needs to install (ie. php.ini) but i was just trying to see if i could build a binary |
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| 15:40.30 | babilen | geekbri: You could just use the php5 packages in sid |
| 15:40.34 | babilen | ,versions php5 |
| 15:40.35 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8-2; wheezy: 5.3.8-2 |
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| 15:40.58 | geekbri | ok, that would probably be a good idea huh? |
| 15:41.09 | wols | I strongly suggest you use the debian packages, modify them and then build the .debs from that |
| 15:41.20 | themill | ,checkbackport php5 |
| 15:41.25 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sidâsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
| 15:41.46 | babilen | geekbri: Using PHP is probably not a good idea regardless of the version ;) -- You could backport it by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 15:42.10 | geekbri | babilen: unfortunately its not my choice :) |
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| 15:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: How would you recommend running Drupal without php? |
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| 15:43.45 | geekbri | phew, i feel fully overwhelmed now, haha... ok im going to go google away and play with the sid php package |
| 15:44.10 | babilen | !tell geekbri -about ssb |
| 15:44.20 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I don't |
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| 15:44.37 | Neonlajt | How thoroughly are drivers tested when shipped with deb? |
| 15:44.41 | jhutchins_lt | So the White House is doin' it wrong? |
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| 15:47.35 | project2501b | hey guys |
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| 15:48.51 | emper0r | please need a cool link active and work step by step to make package from python scripts?.. google have older manuales an tutorials and always missing something.. any idea? |
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| 15:49.17 | project2501b | i am trying to hunt down nx3fwct.bin and nx3fwmn.bin apparently they are not in firmware-nonfree . anybody got a clue where to find them, sort of a kernel re-compilation? |
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| 15:49.39 | Neonlajt | project2501b: I have them |
| 15:49.46 | somiaj | project2501b: you could try packages.debian.org (they sound like a wireless firmware, check the firmware-<foo> packages |
| 15:49.46 | Neonlajt | project2501b: which nic? |
| 15:49.51 | Neonlajt | nope |
| 15:50.01 | Neonlajt | its firmware for the Netxen networks cards. |
| 15:50.05 | project2501b | Neonlajt: how much |
| 15:50.21 | project2501b | somiaj: no, they are gbit ethernet cards, by nexgen |
| 15:50.27 | project2501b | netxen whatever |
| 15:50.34 | Neonlajt | HP |
| 15:50.38 | project2501b | yeah, HP |
| 15:50.43 | Neonlajt | NC375T? |
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| 15:50.49 | project2501b | i am installing them on a DL980 |
| 15:50.56 | Neonlajt | okay |
| 15:51.09 | Neonlajt | I've never had issues with the lack of firmware |
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| 15:51.18 | Neonlajt | I have however had issues with them. |
| 15:51.28 | babilen | emper0r: Have you already packaged the scripts for the cheeseshop? (i.e. used distutils) If not ask #distutils about a good tutorial/manual. Or are you asking about Debian packages? |
| 15:51.35 | project2501b | in this case, ethernet ports 1 & 2 do not iniit |
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| 15:51.44 | Neonlajt | But, you might be able to compile them from the HP site |
| 15:51.52 | project2501b | Neonlajt: i do not understand why they are not part of firmware-nonfree |
| 15:51.52 | Neonlajt | they have a linux tarball |
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| 15:51.59 | Neonlajt | project2501b: Neither do I. |
| 15:52.02 | project2501b | really? url please? |
| 15:52.06 | Neonlajt | hp.com |
| 15:52.09 | Neonlajt | search for your nic. |
| 15:52.10 | Neonlajt | :) |
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| 15:52.19 | project2501b | who is maintaining firmware-nonfree? man |
| 15:52.22 | project2501b | shit |
| 15:52.30 | Neonlajt | They have precompiled ones for Redhat/Suse |
| 15:52.31 | project2501b | i don't have the ilo3 connected :( |
| 15:52.38 | project2501b | and the datacenter is a bit of a walk |
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| 15:52.58 | emper0r | babilen: debian packages |
| 15:53.00 | project2501b | *shrug* ok i will boot from 3/4 and then compile the drivers for the nci |
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| 15:53.39 | somiaj | project2501b: doesn't seem like those firwmare are located in a debian package, you can just download the firmware from the vendor and copy it to /lib/firmware (you have the module it is just complaiing about missing firmware?) |
| 15:53.47 | babilen | emper0r: In that case: Read http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonAppsPackagingTeam use dh_python2 and ask questions in #debian-mentors and/or #debian-python on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:54.34 | project2501b | somiaj: it's complaining about missing hardware, yes. eth0/1 is not initializing. but it's good. i still have 2-3 |
| 15:54.41 | emper0r | babilen: thanxs.. i see your disutils link too.. i guess i start withthat 1st thanxs for the tips |
| 15:54.42 | project2501b | it has a diff controller |
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| 15:55.47 | babilen | emper0r: Yeah, please follow (for example) http://docs.python.org/distutils/index.html and ask #distutils about good manuals (please let me know if they have something good) |
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| 15:56.13 | emper0r | babilen: yes indeed i guess the example have my question... |
| 15:56.29 | emper0r | i have the app but not have the setup.py and not have idea to how start it ! :) thanxs again |
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| 15:56.51 | babilen | emper0r: Good luck! |
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| 16:17.06 | emper0r | babilen: if some package it's upload into pypi or cheesshop some DD put that into repo or that is other step to do? with python-team from debian developers? or how works that? |
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| 16:27.00 | prometoys | I need to put some lines in the xorg.conf - but its know on the fly generated. can I use xorg.conf.d in squeeze? |
| 16:27.18 | prometoys | or what would be the best way to add some lines for a touchscreen configuration? |
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| 16:31.16 | rozie | create xorg.conf with X -configure, place it in the usual place... |
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| 16:34.07 | cjs226 | anyone using reiserfs4? Â i ask as I'm looking for a filesystem that allows for filenames longer than 512bytes/characters. any other recommendations? |
| 16:34.31 | wols | prometoys: you simply put the options you need into a file in xorg.conf.d and it will be used. there is no need for a full blown xorg.conf as rozie suggested |
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| 16:34.56 | prometoys | wols: didn't know that. this is awesome and make sens e:) |
| 16:35.09 | prometoys | rozie: thanks, too. |
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| 16:36.19 | wols | cjs226: reiserfs4 is dead. use normal reiserfs if you must |
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| 16:37.55 | cjs226 | wols: unfortunately reiserfs (not 4) has the same 255 character limitaion as ext4 |
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| 16:38.45 | BlastHardcheese | 255 characters is enough for anyone |
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| 16:38.54 | AsuraLe | my alsa cannot caputre playback,how to configure it ? |
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| 16:40.29 | cjs226 | blasthardcheese: unfortunately the system i need to backup stores email messages using their mime id as the filename. amazon s3 allows it |
| 16:40.57 | wols | cjs226: are you sure about this? |
| 16:41.33 | cjs226 | wols: that s3 allows it, yes |
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| 16:42.31 | wols | I mean the reiserfs limit |
| 16:43.10 | cjs226 | wols: I'm leaning on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Limits |
| 16:43.26 | wols | seems you are right. if reiserfs has this limit, as do all other linux filesystems, are you sure this isn't a VFS limit? |
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| 16:45.16 | cjs226 | wols: not sure about vfs. assuming i can't find an alternative I'm considering trying reiserfs4 a go but given it's current status would love for an alternative |
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| 16:45.36 | valdyn | cjs226: why dont you use paths to encode instead of only the file name |
| 16:46.47 | cjs226 | valdyn: sorry, i don't follow |
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| 16:47.10 | wols | cjs226: use subdirectory names as part of the "filename" |
| 16:47.18 | wols | number of subdirs and paths are unlimited |
| 16:47.48 | cjs226 | wols valdyn: you mean split the filename into subdirs? |
| 16:47.59 | ProfClonk | Hi, i'm currently trying to configure a postfix mail server. it correctly accepts mail sent from other mail servers via SMTP, but when i try to connect from a normal client (that doesn't have a MX record), i get a connection timeout. i'd want the server to accept the connection, authenticate the client via SASL and then accept mail. How do i tell postfix to accept all SMTP-Connections regardless of MX-Records? |
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| 16:48.54 | jelly | cjs226: that might work as well. Or use a backup system that doesn't backup files 1:1 |
| 16:49.41 | valdyn | ProfClonk: why do you think the reason for the timeout is the missing MX record? |
| 16:50.11 | cjs226 | jelly: thx. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. it appears zfs will allow for longer filenames than the table i pointed to mentioned. anyone try using zfs on linux? |
| 16:50.26 | ProfClonk | valdyn: because, when connecting from another V-Server that does hava a MX-Record vie netcat, postfix accepts the connection and sends something |
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| 16:50.38 | wols | cjs226: you need fuse for that. I suggest you use kfreebsd instead then |
| 16:50.43 | jelly | cjs226: some people on ##linux have |
| 16:50.49 | ProfClonk | but when connecting from my computer, which doesn't have a MX-Record, i get a timeout |
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| 16:51.00 | jelly | wols: there's also the kernel port |
| 16:51.06 | valdyn | ProfClonk: thats not really conclusive evidence |
| 16:51.14 | wols | jelly: working and legal? |
| 16:51.29 | ProfClonk | valdyn: okay, it was just a thought :D |
| 16:51.36 | ProfClonk | but what else could it be O_o |
| 16:51.46 | wols | ProfClonk: depends on your main.cf |
| 16:51.47 | valdyn | ProfClonk: you might want to read the log file of postfix and look up if it even gets a connection attempt |
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| 16:51.55 | karlpinc | ProfClonk: That almost sounds like a routing issue. You'll want to see what the logs say about whether the connection was even seen by postfix. |
| 16:52.06 | ProfClonk | the log file doesn't show anything about the connection attempt |
| 16:52.14 | valdyn | ProfClonk: so there wasnt one |
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| 16:52.30 | ProfClonk | well, i can connect perfectly via SSH to the server |
| 16:52.37 | ProfClonk | but not via SMTP, to exactly that server |
| 16:52.54 | valdyn | ProfClonk: your isp wouldnt be the first to block smtp |
| 16:53.05 | ProfClonk | ohmygod |
| 16:53.08 | ProfClonk | i'm so stupid |
| 16:53.11 | ProfClonk | it IS blocking smtp |
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| 16:53.28 | ProfClonk | ARGH |
| 16:53.37 | valdyn | i didnt really think i'd hit this at the first try ... |
| 16:53.37 | ProfClonk | how could i forget that?! |
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| 16:55.22 | jelly | wols: dunno and yes. Just not dfsg-free. |
| 16:56.58 | jelly | wols: people seem to often confuse "can't be in Debian" with "isn't worth shit" |
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| 16:57.49 | wols | next you say debian isn't the best thing since evening gameshows. heretic! burn him at the stake! |
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| 17:05.52 | jelly | wols: you jest, but some people really have that reaction |
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| 17:10.52 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying people don't understand that it's a good thing some crap isn't allowed into debian, or that people think that because it's not allowed in debian it's crap? |
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| 17:11.28 | jhutchins_lt | I take "Not allowed in Debian" to be a good indicator of "not worth the powder to blow it to hell" myself. |
| 17:12.02 | jelly | stop proving my point! |
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| 17:22.38 | windparadise | I am trying to follow a procedure to install red5 and a following command was posted cp -r www /usr/share/red5/webapps/oflaDemo |
| 17:23.22 | windparadise | but when applied I had an error of -bash: cd: -r: invalid optioncd: usage: cd [-L|-P] [dir] |
| 17:23.30 | windparadise | what do I do? |
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| 17:30.27 | somiaj | windparadise: it looks like you typed 'cd' not 'cp' |
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| 17:30.39 | somiaj | windparadise: -r is not a valid option for 'cd' but it is for 'cp |
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| 17:30.54 | windparadise | I typed cp |
| 17:31.00 | somiaj | your error sais otherwise |
| 17:31.00 | windparadise | but I didn't run ant earlier |
| 17:31.09 | windparadise | I did it and the issue is solved |
| 17:32.07 | Hyperion | Can anyone please explain me what resides in /opt ? Mine's empty, and I can't find a concrete answer other than add-on data. |
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| 17:32.41 | dondelelcaro | Hyperion: add-on packages, generally. |
| 17:32.46 | dondelelcaro | Hyperion: normally /opt should be empty |
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| 17:34.05 | tensorpudding | in general, /opt can be used for large binary programs |
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| 17:34.35 | tensorpudding | the google chrome ppa in ubuntu installs chrome to /opt, for instance |
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| 17:34.52 | tensorpudding | but debian wouldn't use it for any packages, normally |
| 17:35.19 | mrf_ | i'm new to debian and i was wondering why a lot of the preferences windows are greyed out |
| 17:35.35 | Hyperion | Thanks for the answers guys. If it's no use to debian its fine. |
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| 17:35.45 | mrf_ | like i want to add workspaces so i right click the switcher but i can't change any settings |
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| 17:37.47 | Bushmills | mrf_: there are surely 5 different "switchers", probably more, available with debian |
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| 17:37.56 | DelphiWorld | Yo Folks |
| 17:38.05 | Bushmills | meaning, there is no such thing as "the" switcher |
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| 17:38.25 | mrf_ | i think this is the standard gnome one |
| 17:38.45 | DelphiWorld | Anyone From Egypt ? |
| 17:38.48 | mrf_ | "Workspace Switcher 2.30.2" |
| 17:38.56 | Bushmills | ah. well, i'm using the cairo-dock one, which is different to the one you're using |
| 17:39.10 | mrf_ | oh ok |
| 17:39.17 | mrf_ | well i have another question then |
| 17:39.21 | mrf_ | i want to change my terminal color scheme |
| 17:39.22 | Bushmills | it calls itself "switcher" :) |
| 17:39.42 | mrf_ | so i go to file->new profile |
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| 17:39.53 | Bushmills | hm. number of terminal emulators is probably more like ten |
| 17:40.01 | mrf_ | haha, i see |
| 17:40.07 | mrf_ | again i think mine is the standard |
| 17:40.12 | mrf_ | i haven't changed anything from the default |
| 17:40.17 | Bushmills | no. more than 10 |
| 17:40.22 | mrf_ | "Gnome Terminal 2.30.2" |
| 17:40.36 | mrf_ | do you have that one? |
| 17:40.46 | Bushmills | ehm - no. |
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| 17:41.04 | Bushmills | rxvt, xterm, terminator ... |
| 17:41.24 | mrf_ | ok, then hopefully i can ask a general question |
| 17:41.37 | mrf_ | sometimes the preferences are greyed out |
| 17:41.48 | mrf_ | when the applications are user-level |
| 17:42.06 | mrf_ | i assume if i somehow gave them root access i could change the preferences |
| 17:42.10 | mrf_ | but i don't have the command line for them |
| 17:42.25 | mrf_ | i mean the executable name |
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| 17:42.30 | Bushmills | unlikely. x apps preferences are all about user preferences |
| 17:42.33 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 17:42.39 | geekbri | I've downloaded the source package for php via apt-get source, and I wanted to examine the debian/ directory used to create the .deb but it doesn't seem to be there. Is there some other way to obtain this? |
| 17:42.42 | mrf_ | i see |
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| 17:42.52 | mrf_ | well then how should i go about figuring it out |
| 17:42.58 | mrf_ | how to change these GNOME settings |
| 17:42.59 | johnfg | I'm trying to connect via smb to a printer connected to a windows 7 machine. |
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| 17:43.35 | johnfg | However, I'm not seeing the driver for this Canon MF4100 Series UFRII LT. Where can I get it? |
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| 17:44.04 | abrotman | generic PS or PCL won't work ? |
| 17:44.29 | mjrosenb_ | dpkg -l seems to be truncating package names. is there any way to get itto not do that? |
| 17:44.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching seems to be truncating package names. is there any way to get itto not do that |
| 17:44.42 | Bushmills | gconf-editor is a way to change many settings, more than are usually shown by apps' preferences dialogs |
| 17:45.30 | johnfg | abrotman, I didn't try, but will now... |
| 17:45.55 | Bushmills | mjrosenb_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:48.09 | mjrosenb_ | Bushmills: thanks! |
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| 17:51.34 | Bushmills | ah, there went egoga aka pudger again |
| 17:51.36 | Maarten | that didn't last long :P hope he got his kicks. |
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| 17:52.37 | Bushmills | hm, maybe not. different provider |
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| 17:57.06 | IngoPan | Will Debian run on the new Assus EEEPad Slider/Tranformer Models? http://alturl.com/4cj9q |
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| 17:57.30 | Bushmills | send me one, i'll try it and tell you |
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| 17:58.06 | abrotman | IngoPan: might want to ask #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net .. they may know |
| 17:58.07 | IngoPan | hehe ok;) |
| 17:58.26 | tensorpudding | the eeepad isn't really like an eeepc at all |
| 17:58.55 | tensorpudding | uses an nvidia tegra cpu |
| 17:58.58 | wols | IngoPan: why haven't you googled? |
| 17:58.58 | abrotman | tensorpudding: but they may know more .... |
| 17:58.59 | tensorpudding | runs android |
| 17:59.08 | wols | e.g. http://www.offensivethinking.org/thoughts/2011/07/14/debian-chroot-eee-pad-transformer/ URL says it all |
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| 18:12.15 | jicko3 | when is the next rebuilt of squeeze installation images planned? The current ones are older than 1/4 year... (one has to upgrade a lot immediately after installation...) |
| 18:12.16 | ledoktre | Greetings. I am attemting to setup a bridge. Ultimately, I am attempting to pass all traffic on eth0 to a virtual Vyatta firewall (KVM). I have a box setup as a test right now, on my local lan. In it, I have eth0 plugged to my lan, and am trying to touch eth1 via br0. Eth0 mac reset to virtual, ip addresses cleared. Eth1 mac set to eth0 original mac and IP. Any ideas where I am going wrong? |
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| 18:13.21 | ledoktre | I would like to add, due to limitations of my ISP, I need to use MAC cloning to have connectivity |
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| 18:14.03 | kvu_ | hey... can someone help me... i want to create a pdf file from some kind of offline html-help which is divided into multiple html files and it does have some kind of weird ToC |
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| 18:16.52 | jhutchins_lt | kvu_: You might be able to import the files into OOffice and massage them into coherence, the use the export- or print-to-pdf function. |
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| 19:01.15 | e-anima | one question, what could be wrong if suddenly something like php -i on the shell does not output nothing |
| 19:01.19 | e-anima | no error no output |
| 19:01.26 | e-anima | php is installed but somehow.. |
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| 19:05.19 | abaddon | e-anima strace -fF php -i |
| 19:05.28 | abaddon | maybe with -o output_file |
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| 19:06.13 | e-anima | the output is ...wtf |
| 19:06.26 | e-anima | http://screensnapr.com/v/CoHFJo.png |
| 19:06.27 | e-anima | this |
| 19:06.34 | e-anima | the cli somehow must be broken |
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| 19:07.56 | abaddon | e-anima ls -l /usr/bin/php ; file /usr/bin/php ; ldd /usr/bin/php |
| 19:08.12 | drocko | hey, i'm running squeeze and my wireless card has issues. I know there is a good driver for it included in the 3.0 kernel and I have tried to compile and package a 3.0 kernel to get it's functionality, but that screws up other things. Is there a way I can keep use squeeze and get this wireless card to work? |
| 19:08.46 | e-anima | nothing |
| 19:09.01 | e-anima | everytimer... |
| 19:09.02 | Bushmills | backport kernel, maybe |
| 19:09.05 | Bushmills | !bpo |
| 19:09.05 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 19:09.12 | e-anima | the only thing i did was aptitude purge php5-xdebug |
| 19:09.17 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 19:09.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny4) |
| 19:09.51 | drocko | Bushmills: hmm, so i would be able to use a backported kernel to get the functionality? |
| 19:09.52 | e-anima | pecl does nothing to...eben if its installed |
| 19:10.18 | Bushmills | 2.6.39 is pretty close to 3.0, it may work for you |
| 19:10.50 | abaddon | e-anima those were 3 commands, nothing on all 3? it should be a link to a link to the php binary, on debian.. |
| 19:11.06 | abaddon | i guess the links got broken somehow on your setup |
| 19:11.42 | drocko | i can give it a shot. The developer said that the particular driver didn't make it in until 3.0 |
| 19:11.43 | e-anima | everytime everything gets broken if i try to deinstall something after insatlling something |
| 19:12.15 | e-anima | ldd /usr/bin/php -> not a dynamic executable |
| 19:12.15 | e-anima | if i do that |
| 19:12.23 | e-anima | ll |
| 19:12.27 | abaddon | and ls -l /usr/bin/php ? |
| 19:12.41 | e-anima | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 6. Sep 19:06 /usr/bin/php -> /etc/alternatives/php |
| 19:12.42 | e-anima | works |
| 19:12.47 | abaddon | ls -l /etc/alternatives/php ? |
| 19:13.10 | e-anima | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 6. Sep 19:06 /etc/alternatives/php -> /usr/bin/php5 |
| 19:13.19 | abaddon | ls -l /usr/bin/php5 ? :-) |
| 19:13.24 | abaddon | and: file /usr/bin/php5 |
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| 19:13.50 | abaddon | and another one: dpkg -S /usr/bin/php5 |
| 19:14.27 | abaddon | i wonder if its not some custom install of php5 and not from the regular debian repo, or if you didnt get hacked somehow |
| 19:14.34 | abaddon | *custom and broken |
| 19:14.52 | abaddon | because " ldd /usr/bin/php -> not a dynamic executable" doesnt sound right |
| 19:14.53 | freifahrt | what could be the reasons that i can't write grub into my mbr at a fresh install? |
| 19:14.55 | e-anima | i only used debian repos |
| 19:15.15 | boudiccas | freifahrt; you're not doing it as root? |
| 19:15.31 | e-anima | ls -l /usr/bin/php5 -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 29. Sep 23:59 /usr/bin/php5 |
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| 19:15.54 | e-anima | file /usr/bin/php5 -> /usr/bin/php5: empty |
| 19:15.59 | e-anima | uh empty wuah. wtf |
| 19:16.04 | abaddon | ah there you go |
| 19:16.10 | abaddon | reinstall php5-cli |
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| 19:16.43 | freifahrt | boudiccas: it's during a net install |
| 19:16.53 | e-anima | aptitude install php5-cli does not install anything |
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| 19:17.04 | e-anima | i do not get it |
| 19:17.05 | drocko | rats, yes it's only in 3.0 |
| 19:17.22 | drocko | what are the odds that there will be a 3.0 kernel backport for squeeze? |
| 19:17.26 | abaddon | freifahrt any descriptive error message? maybe change virtual console to tty4 or 5, i think those are where errors are |
| 19:17.35 | abaddon | alt+f5.. |
| 19:18.02 | e-anima | do i need to purge php5-cli bevore? |
| 19:18.15 | abaddon | e-anima because you already have it, apt-get remove php5-cli && apt-get install php5-cli, thing is i dont know if the remove doesnt remove the configs too |
| 19:18.29 | freifahrt | ok, error code 1 |
| 19:18.36 | e-anima | k thats not important. its my test machine ^^ |
| 19:18.40 | abaddon | or only --purge does that.. see that you dont lose configs |
| 19:18.41 | abaddon | k |
| 19:19.05 | abaddon | the remove might also remove other packages, make sure to reinstall them |
| 19:19.15 | freifahrt | oh, fuck me |
| 19:19.24 | abaddon | OS error code 1: Operation not permitted ?! |
| 19:19.25 | freifahrt | not enough memory |
| 19:19.33 | boudiccas | freifahrt; language! |
| 19:19.42 | freifahrt | i apologise |
| 19:19.46 | abaddon | heh, how much? just for posterity |
| 19:20.00 | e-anima | works again. hm i see i still do not get the difference between aptitude purge and apt-get remove |
| 19:20.13 | freifahrt | 500mb for /boot |
| 19:20.16 | abaddon | e-anima the difference is that i dont use aptitude :P |
| 19:20.23 | e-anima | ;D |
| 19:20.36 | e-anima | with apt-get it works |
| 19:20.42 | drocko | well, i think i may just replace the wireless card. somehow this feels like defeat, but I don't have time for trying to make this one work. |
| 19:20.44 | drocko | thanks! |
| 19:20.45 | boudiccas | freifahrt; that sounds reasonable |
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| 19:20.56 | abaddon | not enough memory, as in ram right? |
| 19:21.04 | abaddon | mbr has nothing to do with /boot disk space |
| 19:21.26 | freifahrt | slected item won't fit into memory |
| 19:21.51 | freifahrt | This error is returned if a kernel, module, or raw file load command is either trying to load it's data such that it won't fit into memory or it is simply too big. |
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| 19:22.35 | freifahrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.45 | abaddon | so how much ram? |
| 19:22.48 | freifahrt | 4g |
| 19:23.09 | abaddon | the error is probably from somewhere else |
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| 19:25.04 | e-anima | hrhr i often see myself typing /etc/init.d/apache retard |
| 19:25.05 | e-anima | *g* |
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| 19:29.06 | Lars_G | Greets all. |
| 19:29.43 | Lars_G | Question, I'm using a debian based distro, and this distro doesn't set pam_mkhomedir.so in common-session by default, but I see the pam packages appear to come from squeeze itself. Is this a debian config issue? |
| 19:30.31 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: Debian doesn't use pam_mkhomedir.so |
| 19:30.38 | dondelelcaro | (by default) |
| 19:30.56 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Could I ask why? |
| 19:31.05 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: in fact, I don't know of any distribution that does, because it's generally not done |
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| 19:31.29 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: because in non-large setups you create home directories at the time of account creation, not initial login |
| 19:31.51 | Lars_G | hmmmm ok. Thank you |
| 19:31.58 | freifahrt | could it be a bios "virus protection" preventing me from writing into mbr? |
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| 19:32.26 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Since I'm building images of this subdistro, is there any debconf way I could revert this? or will I have to make my own pam packages? |
| 19:32.44 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: usually you use pam_mkhomedir.so when you have lots of machines and a central LDAP, and not everyone logs into every machine (or you're not otherwise doing mounted home directories) |
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| 19:32.54 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: why do you want it? |
| 19:33.18 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: but you can easily just create your own package that adds pam_mkhomedir.so to common-session or whatever is appropriate... |
| 19:33.30 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: That's exactly my use case. |
| 19:33.42 | Lars_G | Yes I think I'll end up making my own package. thanks |
| 19:33.59 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: if you're actually deploying this onto a lot of machines, you might actually want to be checking into puppet too |
| 19:34.36 | dondelelcaro | (and personally, I'd really avoid running a non-Debian distribution on a ton of machines) |
| 19:35.26 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: I am checking into puppet. Even when saddly I can pre-setup it with debconf :) |
| 19:35.36 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: I have to, by law |
| 19:36.02 | boudiccas | why, in a debian channel are we discussing a non-debian distro? surely it would be more appropriatep |
| 19:36.13 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: heh. I doubt it, but whatever works |
| 19:36.20 | boudiccas | for #debian-extras? |
| 19:36.59 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Doubt it all you want, by local decree all workstations belonging to the government in my coutnry have to run this particular locally made debian subset |
| 19:37.04 | boudiccas | sorry, #debian-offtopic |
| 19:37.18 | Lars_G | boudiccas: This distro is 99% debian, 1% changed or extra packages |
| 19:37.43 | Lars_G | boudiccas: And as it came to light the specific "issue" I have stems from debian |
| 19:38.33 | boudiccas | i'm sorry Lars_G but i still believe you're off topic for this channel |
| 19:38.36 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: heh. wouldn't be the first time that governments have decreed idiocy |
| 19:38.49 | dondelelcaro | but at least it's based on Debian |
| 19:38.53 | Lars_G | boudiccas: Ok, where can I ask questions about debian packages then? |
| 19:39.07 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: it's marginally on topic; and the question has been answered anyway |
| 19:39.07 | jelly-home | Lars_G: ##linux perhaps |
| 19:39.09 | boudiccas | i've already said, #debian-offtopic |
| 19:39.20 | dondelelcaro | regardless, lets drop this here. |
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| 19:41.26 | Lars_G | Yeah... right, ok |
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| 19:49.53 | alabd | good day all , is there any nnice tut about setting up an openvpn server ? |
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| 19:50.21 | ompaul | alabd: try the faq and howto on the openvpn website rock out |
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| 19:51.51 | soomsoom | Hello i just moved from stable to testing and gnome is really slow... |
| 19:51.59 | soomsoom | i have nvidia driver installed |
| 19:52.14 | ompaul | soomsoom: can I point out something to you in your previous line, you used the word testing |
| 19:52.19 | ompaul | it is called testing for a reason |
| 19:52.40 | ompaul | join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and you will find out things as they hit testing and so on |
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| 19:53.24 | soomsoom | ok if i want to got back to stable is possible? |
| 19:53.40 | soomsoom | *it |
| 19:54.00 | tensorpudding | you can't go back to stable |
| 19:54.07 | tensorpudding | i mean, without reinstalling |
| 19:54.14 | soomsoom | ugh :X |
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| 19:55.14 | tensorpudding | you can keep wheezy until it becomes stable |
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| 19:55.23 | tensorpudding | in like, a year or two |
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| 19:56.19 | soomsoom | :| |
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| 20:05.59 | abaddon | tensorpudding http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
| 20:06.31 | abaddon | s/cant/not easy/ |
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| 20:08.45 | ompaul | abaddon: if you want to provide help for soomsoon when they come back be my guest, the fastest option is to reinstall because you can read some docs during the install |
| 20:08.47 | tensorpudding | i stand corrected |
| 20:08.57 | tensorpudding | (reinstalling is easier) |
| 20:09.05 | tensorpudding | there's nice tools for backing up your files now |
| 20:09.18 | ompaul | tensorpudding: it ain't the debian way ;-) and rick moen isn't going to be there to hold your hand ime ;-)) |
| 20:09.31 | tensorpudding | it's not like the system is unbootable |
| 20:09.38 | tensorpudding | you can rescue your files at your leisure |
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| 20:10.20 | ompaul | tensorpudding: that thing looks more like a get a couple of backported packages sorted out |
| 20:10.31 | ompaul | a full system, with new kernels |
| 20:10.36 | ompaul | ooch |
| 20:10.43 | abaddon | lol, i stand corrected, your answer was much better considering the context :) |
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| 20:11.11 | abaddon | if he asks that in here.. |
| 20:11.25 | shm | Hi there, where I can find list of the account names reserved by packages? |
| 20:11.34 | shm | s/account/accounts/ |
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| 20:12.03 | abaddon | but im sure downgrading would work, even if i would have to resort to ar`ing them |
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| 20:17.58 | alabd1 | what is main repo of debian to get packages ? |
| 20:18.01 | abaddon | shm just from a google search of some user names, i dont think there is any list, or they would be all on the same page |
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| 20:19.16 | shm | abaddon: too bad ;[ |
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| 20:20.32 | cosmos2 | hello folks |
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| 20:21.24 | cosmos2 | I get troubled trying to install a ethernet dlink pcmcia on a debian minimal (+fluxbox), and on a old laptop |
| 20:21.41 | cosmos2 | I have no eth0 |
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| 20:21.59 | cosmos2 | at all |
| 20:22.04 | cosmos2 | only lo |
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| 20:22.09 | cosmos2 | localhost |
| 20:23.06 | cosmos2 | "alias eth0 pcnet_cs" in /etc/modules.conf, doesn't work |
| 20:23.23 | cosmos2 | maybe a dbus miss |
| 20:23.25 | cosmos2 | ? |
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| 20:23.38 | cosmos2 | different irq? |
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| 20:24.04 | Bodhi007 | cosmos i been here for a while and never seen anyone talk but no i dont know how to fix your problem :( |
| 20:24.09 | cosmos2 | in which file to add eth0? |
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| 20:29.01 | Sean-Der | What group does a user have to be in to use sendmail? |
| 20:29.34 | ompaul | Sean-Der: once you are on the box you shouldn't have an issue |
| 20:30.34 | Sean-Der | It is weird the user can specify /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 20:30.47 | Sean-Der | but just #sendmail doesn't work |
| 20:31.01 | ompaul | it is just it is not on their path |
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| 20:32.09 | Sean-Der | Am I going to have to reboot so it will add to their path? Logging in and out isn't doing anything |
| 20:32.58 | boudiccas | Sean-Der; have you tried restating x when you log out? |
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| 20:33.05 | boudiccas | restarting |
| 20:33.18 | valdyn | Sean-Der: why would a user want to use sendmail directly ? |
| 20:33.27 | boudiccas | it might work, and then again it might not |
| 20:33.30 | Sean-Der | boudiccas: It is an Xless server |
| 20:33.57 | Sean-Der | valdyn: I had someone request it! |
| 20:34.35 | valdyn | Sean-Der: that doesnt make it a good idea |
| 20:35.04 | valdyn | Sean-Der: no one knows which sillyness made him request it |
| 20:35.20 | Sean-Der | valdyn: It is a silly place |
| 20:35.27 | Sean-Der | It is a shared hosting server |
| 20:35.40 | Sean-Der | We have random people with SSH access and someone requested it |
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| 20:36.48 | Bushmills | Sean-Der: if you have to provide pathless user executable sendmail, put a symbolic link into a directory in user path, to /usr/sbin/sendmail, rather than adding /usr/sbin to user path |
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| 20:37.28 | Sean-Der | Bushmills: Ok that sounds like a good idea |
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| 20:40.33 | brolin_empey | How can I fix âE: Internal Error, could not perform immediate configuration (2) on perlâ when applying changes in aptitude? |
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| 20:41.30 | boudiccas | brolin_empey; use apt-get? |
| 20:42.34 | m_abs | Hey, I'm on debian wheezy with KDE4.6 and I have built KDE4.7 with kdesrc-build as my own user and now I'd like to have to option to login to a KDE4.7-session from KDM. I've created a file /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.7.desktop which has a Exec=/home/morten/.xinit (http://pastebin.com/L9uGzHnq). But I still can't select KDE4.7 in KDM. What have I don't wrong? |
| 20:43.39 | boudiccas | m_abs; i fear that we cant help you here, you need to be in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:44.01 | m_abs | boudiccas, Okay, I'll try that. |
| 20:44.07 | boudiccas | they handle wheezy questions whilst we handle squeeze ones |
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| 20:45.24 | brolin_empey | boudiccas: I thought both aptitude and apt-get use the same APT backend, which means apt-get would have the same problem as aptitude? |
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| 20:46.16 | boudiccas | brolin_empey; i dont know, try it and see, and report back what you find :) |
| 20:46.45 | boudiccas | i've never used aptitude, just used apt-get from day one |
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| 20:54.05 | brolin_empey | boudiccas: As I expected, âapt-get installâ fails with the same error. â¹ |
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| 20:54.27 | debiantonio | "... Aptitude is said to deal with dependencies better than apt-get. For example, say you install a package which automatically installs some library packages because it depends on them. When you remove this package with apt-get, it won't remove the libraries this package installed, although they aren't used anymore. ..." |
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| 20:54.54 | boudiccas | brolin_empey; fair enough |
| 20:54.58 | debiantonio | "... When you install that package with aptitude and remove it with aptitude, aptitude 'detects' that those library packages aren't used anymore and will therefore automatically remove thm. ..." |
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| 20:55.54 | sammi` | so why does apt-get still live? |
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| 20:58.02 | ompaul | sammi`: because I want it |
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| 20:58.32 | sammi` | so you dont care the aren't used anymore depedencies? |
| 20:58.48 | iridium | aptitude tries to be smart, and that sometimes is a good thing, and other times a curse |
| 20:58.52 | ompaul | enoparse |
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| 20:59.08 | ompaul | sammi`: ask again please, I don't grok your question |
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| 21:05.47 | hje841 | Right now I'm installing Debian on my laptop and have reached the step about partitioning. What exactly does the first choice "assisted/guided - use the biggest chunk of free space"? (loosely translated from danish) |
| 21:06.24 | hje841 | Before I started the process I deleted an Ubuntu partition but kept the swap |
| 21:06.51 | dondelelcaro | hje841: it will use whatever is free, and ask you a few questions, and then configure everything for you |
| 21:07.17 | hje841 | dondelelcaro: including create a new swap partition? |
| 21:07.25 | jhutchins_lt | hje841: I almost always use manual. That way you can keep your existing swap. I prefer swap + single partition for almost all situations. |
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| 21:08.30 | hje841 | jhutchins_lt: my choice of setup too. |
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| 21:10.36 | hje841 | on to manual. Whats the diff between ext3 and ext4? |
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| 21:12.20 | sammi` | main diff is you will never know the date debian pick up ext4 |
| 21:12.25 | jhutchins_lt | ext4 has some advantages for very large files on very large filesystems. No advantage for normal end-user systems, and many tools and direct-access packages are not quite ready for it. |
| 21:12.32 | jhutchins_lt | Not many, some. |
| 21:13.03 | hje841 | okay. I'll use ext3. it's the default choice by the installer |
| 21:13.34 | ompaul | hje841: 4 is faster I can "testify" I've been using it for a long time :-) |
| 21:13.36 | hje841 | jhutchins_lt: btw. how big is a large file? |
| 21:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | hje841: It's easy to convert ext3 to ext4 if it ever becomes appropriate, but I think ext3 will stick around for filesystems we consider "normal" now even if/when ext4 becomes more common. |
| 21:13.59 | jhutchins_lt | hje841: Gigs. |
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| 21:15.02 | hje841 | the little 'f' that appears in the table by the new partition I just made, what is that for? |
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| 21:15.19 | jhutchins_lt | "format"? |
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| 21:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | I've run the installer maybe six times over four years. |
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| 21:15.49 | hje841 | ok :) I'll proceed and see what happens |
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| 21:16.20 | oscurochu | i just installed debian onto my ibook g4. i need to install wireless-tools and firmware-b43-installer, but I have no network connection. How can I find out which CDs have these two packages? |
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| 21:16.49 | sammi` | hje841: you might want to try simple-cdd |
| 21:17.02 | hje841 | sammi`: ? |
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| 21:17.48 | debiantonio | select "Separate /home partition." |
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| 21:19.36 | debiantonio | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 21:19.52 | mjrosenb_ | is there a way of finding what release dist-upgrade wants to upgrade from->to? |
| 21:21.04 | debiantonio | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 21:23.50 | mjrosenb_ | debiantonio: was that for me? |
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| 21:25.27 | debiantonio | if useful ... |
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| 21:29.09 | propman | Downloaded debian-live-6.0.2-i386-xfce-desktop.iso which supposedly is a liveCD version but the file is too big to burn to CD (827MB). Suggestions would be appreciated |
| 21:29.52 | propman | burning to DVD isn't an option :( |
| 21:29.53 | sammi` | burn dvd |
| 21:29.54 | hje841 | propman: put it on a USB drive |
| 21:30.21 | propman | installing on non-usb bootable system |
| 21:30.37 | s3phir0th115 | Try it with plop boot manager then |
| 21:30.39 | debiantonio | usb pendrive "persistent" is fine |
| 21:31.06 | s3phir0th115 | That'll let a good many systems boot via usb that wouldn't otherwise |
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| 21:31.41 | hje841 | propman: how about finding a different iso then? There's a net-installer that gets everything it needs from a network connection |
| 21:31.49 | s3phir0th115 | Sometimes even that'll have issues, but it's worth a try. |
| 21:32.15 | debiantonio | that's 8gb |
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| 21:33.47 | propman | OK many thanks for the suggestions people...much appreciated. off to do some experiementing :) |
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| 21:34.56 | winux | i just setup up debian, without the internet connected. How do I configure it now through the command line? |
| 21:34.58 | hje841 | propman: np |
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| 21:36.12 | sammi` | winux: clarify your question |
| 21:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | oscurochu: You should be able to download just those two packages. |
| 21:36.29 | s3phir0th115 | winux, depends on how you want to configure it. |
| 21:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | oscurochu: Transfer them with USB or similar. |
| 21:36.54 | jhutchins_lt | oscurochu: On the other hand, that stuff _should_ be on CD1 and is certainly on DVD1. |
| 21:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | oscurochu: I could be wrong. |
| 21:37.24 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-offline |
| 21:37.33 | s3phir0th115 | It is. I used dvd1 and jigdo and it had all the packages when I needed to generate a cd1 |
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| 21:38.03 | jhutchins_lt | That would seem obvious. |
| 21:38.52 | winux | s3phir0th115: well, its a little wierd.. i want to connect it through another win7 computer which has wireless internet access, but i simply want to be able to get internet access on the linux box |
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| 21:39.24 | oscurochu | I figured it out, except one thing: firmware-b43-installer tries to connect to the internet to download the firmware, which is obviously a problem for me. lol |
| 21:39.32 | s3phir0th115 | Hmm, so your win7 system is acting as a router? |
| 21:39.37 | winux | so from wireless internet on win7 computer -> wire -> linux box |
| 21:39.38 | winux | yea |
| 21:39.44 | oscurochu | so how can i tell the installer to look for the firmware inside the usb device? |
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| 21:40.26 | sammi` | winux: ssh? |
| 21:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | !installer firmware |
| 21:40.29 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 21:40.35 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, ok. Well winux, if the win7 system is also doing dhcp, you'll just have to use something like dhcpd I believe it is |
| 21:41.03 | s3phir0th115 | If not, I suggest using "man ifconfig" to see how you set up a manual ip with it. I forget how exactly it's done |
| 21:41.21 | winux | i dont even have ifconfig as a command for some reason |
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| 21:41.28 | mykhal | hi. is someone familiar with debian installer? partman (or who) hangs when scanning disk, so i have to skip this step and assign mountpoints manually.. |
| 21:41.43 | s3phir0th115 | And oscurochu, I'd like b43fwcutter instructions |
| 21:41.47 | s3phir0th115 | I'd look up* |
| 21:42.02 | s3phir0th115 | You should be able to point to where it is and where you need it with that. |
| 21:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | winux: Are you root? |
| 21:42.14 | oscurochu | that bot doesnt help at all, sorry |
| 21:42.31 | oscurochu | looks like im gonna have to install the firmware manually. =( |
| 21:42.56 | s3phir0th115 | It's not hard oscurochu. Trust me. If you have the firmware, it's literally just running that program |
| 21:43.03 | s3phir0th115 | And that program you can get from the repos anyway |
| 21:43.10 | s3phir0th115 | So, like one command. :) |
| 21:43.16 | sammi` | mykhal: you can swith the tty to read the error messgae |
| 21:43.17 | winux | jhutchins: oh i wasnt thanks |
| 21:43.41 | mykhal | sammi`: i know, but there is no helping message |
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| 21:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | oscurochu: As I understand it, you are prompted for firmware/drivers during install and can point to other media (floppies, other USB, CD) to install them. |
| 21:43.59 | mykhal | i need to know how the installer assingns the mountpoints for the next step |
| 21:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | I haven't had to do this with Debian. |
| 21:44.28 | mykhal | i have looked into partman scripts and it seems little bit complicated :) |
| 21:44.55 | s3phir0th115 | I've never had to do that either |
| 21:45.06 | diytto | I am trying to burn the debian netinst iso to a disc on lubuntu, but all my dsic burning programs say the disc does not support it |
| 21:45.13 | oscurochu | i've already got debian installed so that does not help me, as i just said. |
| 21:45.15 | s3phir0th115 | What step are you on? mykhal ? |
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| 21:45.44 | mykhal | s3phir0th115: i'm traying again, i'll tell you |
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| 21:46.03 | s3phir0th115 | oscurochu, look up b43 on the repos. one of them should be something along the lines of fwcutter |
| 21:46.17 | mykhal | it's vasly supported device with proprietary ide drivers.. |
| 21:46.24 | sammi` | diytto: you can put it into a usb stick |
| 21:46.41 | diytto | sammi`: I don't have one to use |
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| 21:46.58 | mykhal | s/vasly/badly/ |
| 21:46.59 | diytto | I'm wondering why it won't let me burn the image |
| 21:47.04 | s3phir0th115 | Then once you have it oscurochu, look up how to use it with google. You should be able to point it to your firmware, wherever it may be. |
| 21:47.38 | mykhal | biy i switched into some ide compatibility mode in bios, i see the partitions normally |
| 21:47.58 | oscurochu | oh so i use fwcutter on the firmware bz file? |
| 21:48.08 | ampharos | I'm having problems with Debian, I'm using the Live LXDE CD, and sometimes X will ignore mouse buttons and keyboard keys completely; I can only move the mouse; and hitting the power button neatly exits X and halts the PC. |
| 21:48.18 | ampharos | I can even reproduce this on Ubuntu. |
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| 21:49.24 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: It would be useful to know if the rest of the system were still running, like if you could ssh to the system when the console was frozen. |
| 21:50.01 | s3phir0th115 | oscurochu, I forget which file you use. but some usage examples should indicate which file. |
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| 21:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | !b43 |
| 21:50.53 | dpkg | b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:51.33 | s3phir0th115 | Yeah. dpkg there seems to have it right on oscurochu |
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| 21:51.53 | oscurochu | it doesnt tell me how to install it, so once again, the bot doesnt help |
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| 21:52.04 | oscurochu | what is up with people being lazy these days >_> |
| 21:52.09 | s3phir0th115 | You ask it about b43-fwcutter? |
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| 21:52.32 | s3phir0th115 | Cause that's essentially what's needed here |
| 21:52.48 | s3phir0th115 | Once the firmware is in place, the device works automatically |
| 21:52.53 | oscurochu | i have the firmmware downloaded, i dont know how to install it. do i use fwcutter or not? i have no idea what im doing up to this point. |
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| 21:53.04 | s3phir0th115 | Yes. fwcutter |
| 21:53.05 | oscurochu | i need to install it somehow |
| 21:53.08 | oscurochu | ok |
| 21:53.10 | mykhal | s3phir0th115: "Partition disks" phase, stuck in 50% "Scanning disks...", last partman log item "parted_server: OUT: OK" (probably by 30parted), last syslog message "partman-lvm:", just above: "partman-lvm: No volume groups found" |
| 21:53.48 | ampharos | jhutchins: no ctrl+alt+fkeys, no bksp |
| 21:53.51 | mykhal | i cak kill some processes to get back to the installer, but don't know how to handle it manually then |
| 21:54.05 | ampharos | I didn't try SSH, I was going to load the server but it froze loading LXTermina |
| 21:54.22 | s3phir0th115 | Hmm. I've never had an error like that. My discs are always detected |
| 21:54.44 | mykhal | i could not (yet) find where what to comment to prevent that scanning |
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| 21:55.30 | karlpinc | mykhal: I don't suppose you have one of those fake raid cards? |
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| 21:56.21 | mykhal | karlpinc: no, just SD card adapter simulated as IDE |
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| 21:56.44 | mykhal | but is see the partitions, can read/write them, i don't need no scanning |
| 21:56.50 | karlpinc | mykhal: Turn it off in the bios for the install? |
| 21:57.08 | mykhal | karlpinc: i'd like to install on it :) |
| 21:57.16 | karlpinc | mykhal:) |
| 21:57.49 | karlpinc | mykhal: You may have to use expert mode and partition manually. |
| 21:58.19 | mykhal | karlpinc: i'm doing that. but the installer hangs up in that scanning phase |
| 21:58.25 | karlpinc | mykhal: You can always use something like fdisk and skip the step in the installer. |
| 21:58.29 | mykhal | i have made thar partitionws already |
| 21:58.33 | sammi` | mykhal: maybe you can try #debian-boot |
| 21:58.37 | mykhal | i just want to mount them and continnue installing |
| 21:58.55 | mykhal | sammi`: thx for tip |
| 21:59.15 | karlpinc | mykhal: So, do it at the command line and come back. (#debian-boot might be on irc.debian.org.) |
| 21:59.57 | mykhal | karlpinc: ok, but i need the installer to understand tha i have made it snother way |
| 22:00.41 | karlpinc | mykhal: I think you just need to put an fs on and mount them in the right place. (You may not wind up with a good fstab either.) |
| 22:00.48 | mykhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.54 | Es0teric | who here is good with proftpd? |
| 22:01.03 | karlpinc | !tell Es0teric about ask |
| 22:01.16 | Es0teric | i did ask.. i asked who is good with proftpd |
| 22:01.18 | karlpinc | Es0teric: I always find vsftpd easier. YMMV. |
| 22:01.43 | Es0teric | karlpinc, i tried vsftpd and it was a headache.. |
| 22:01.45 | Es0teric | lol |
| 22:01.55 | mykhal | karlpinc: should it be mounted into /mnt/ ? |
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| 22:02.14 | karlpinc | mykhal: At this point I run out of being sure what goes where. Sorry. |
| 22:02.36 | karlpinc | mykhal: I don't think so, but I don't recall. Maybe. |
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| 22:02.56 | mykhal | karlpinc: ok |
| 22:03.31 | Es0teric | karlpinc, two things happened to my proftpd.. and its as follows - when i tried to login the ftp via cyberduck, it kept me on the home directory of the username.. but it did not allow me to go to the root directory or the /var/www.. and now when i tried to restart the proftpd, it says "Starting ftp server: proftpd - warning: unable to determine IP address of 'site.com" |
| 22:03.42 | oscurochu | ok finally, thanks. that was kinda aggrivating. |
| 22:03.48 | Es0teric | now i think its because somewhere in my hosts file, i put "site.com" as the server alias.. my question is where |
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| 22:05.32 | oscurochu | is there a default dhcp client? |
| 22:05.55 | hje841 | is it possible to choose a language that is different from that what is used in my location? |
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| 22:08.08 | hje841 | install gnome |
| 22:08.20 | hje841 | dpkg install gnome |
| 22:08.20 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 22:08.33 | ompaul | hje841: it is possible to choose whatever language you want |
| 22:08.43 | ompaul | (as long as it is supported) |
| 22:08.53 | hje841 | ompaul: got it :) |
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| 22:09.27 | hje841 | dpkg: install x |
| 22:09.27 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 22:09.49 | ompaul | hje841: perhaps you would like to /msg dpkg YourQueryGoesHere |
| 22:10.02 | hje841 | oh.. right |
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| 22:10.35 | hje841 | okay a general question: what is recommended to use: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 22:11.00 | streuner_ | the later |
| 22:11.09 | ompaul | hje841: do this /msg dpkg why aptitude and then the other one |
| 22:11.10 | oscurochu | whats the difference? |
| 22:11.21 | oscurochu | oh |
| 22:11.38 | babilen | hje841: I typically use apt-get if I don't need aptitude's search expressions. |
| 22:11.42 | ompaul | aptitude tries to resolve conflicts - apt-get does not - if you are running beta it might be more fun not to try to resolve things |
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| 22:12.25 | ompaul | beta is testing / sid but you really do need to know squeeze first to get a good grip on how a working system is setup |
| 22:12.32 | ompaul | then go ahead break it ;-) |
| 22:12.33 | streuner_ | used kpackage in the past, so what |
| 22:12.46 | ompaul | babilen: please check my request in -ot |
| 22:13.27 | craigevil | gah kpackage was buggier than adept, both ate kittens |
| 22:13.33 | soomsoom | ompaul: i reinstalled all the system... now it works prefectly |
| 22:13.42 | streuner_ | hje841: we recommend here aptitude, but whatever package manager are you more familar, just use that |
| 22:13.42 | ompaul | soomsoom: ;-) |
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| 22:14.47 | hje841 | streuner_: if I'm switching OS I might as well use best practice from the start :D |
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| 22:15.53 | steliovitch | ubuntu sucks |
| 22:15.56 | steliovitch | ubuntu sucks |
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| 22:16.38 | streuner_ | hje841: kpackage helped me to switch... |
| 22:16.49 | steliovitch | ubuntu sucks |
| 22:16.50 | steliovitch | ubuntu sucks |
| 22:16.57 | hje841 | streuner_: huh? |
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| 22:17.18 | streuner_ | hje841: if i would used dselect i wouldnt use Debian prolly :-) |
| 22:17.27 | babilen | hje841: apt-get and aptitude are different tools with different behaviour. I would recommend apt-get in general, but use aptitude if I need its search expressions or interactive resolver. |
| 22:18.04 | debiantonio | debian groovy :) |
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| 22:21.52 | streuner_ | dpkg start a package manager war |
| 22:21.52 | dpkg | ed /dev/[hs]da is the maddox of package managers! |
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| 22:24.01 | oscurochu | "aptitude search xorg" returns no results. "aptitude install xorg" does nothing either. i believe i am just missing something in my sources.list file, since this is a fresh install. what do i adD? |
| 22:24.35 | streuner_ | !xorg |
| 22:24.35 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Squeeze are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:25.21 | oscurochu | that doesnt help |
| 22:25.44 | streuner_ | !+tell oscurochu -about install x |
| 22:25.45 | dpkg | told oscurochu about install x. |
| 22:25.54 | debiantonio | root login? |
| 22:25.58 | oscurochu | .... |
| 22:26.13 | babilen | oscurochu: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 22:26.19 | oscurochu | i could have asked the bot myself, if i believed it could help me |
| 22:26.23 | oscurochu | ok |
| 22:26.52 | oscurochu | command not found. |
| 22:26.57 | streuner_ | oscurochu: that sounds interesting :-) please do what babile told you |
| 22:27.17 | oscurochu | and its a generic sources.list file, no changes besides uncommenting the mirrors. |
| 22:27.37 | streuner_ | we need your sources.list |
| 22:27.49 | babilen | Let us see -- and "apt-cache policy" is giving you "Command not found" ? |
| 22:28.16 | oscurochu | i cant just hand over my sources file if i dont have a gui to copy and paste it with |
| 22:28.19 | ompaul | oscurochu: here is the deal, you show the file and people will help you else you get considered a sad waste of time, |
| 22:28.27 | ompaul | you can |
| 22:28.44 | babilen | !pastebinit |
| 22:28.44 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>. |
| 22:29.08 | oscurochu | and how do you figure i get this program? |
| 22:29.16 | ompaul | well there is wget |
| 22:29.17 | oscurochu | nvm |
| 22:29.17 | babilen | oscurochu: Use pastebinit ^^^ if you can install it. That being said: You essentially want to configure some mirrors with "main" and run "apt-get update" .. |
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| 22:29.28 | babilen | !tell oscurochu about squeeze sources.list |
| 22:29.52 | streuner_ | oscurochu: packages.debian.org/pastebinit - you are able to download there |
| 22:30.43 | babilen | oscurochu: dpkg just told you about a generic geo-ip enabled sources.list -- Another common mirror setup is to use something like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib" where "CC" is replaces with your country code (e.g. uk, hk, tw, de, be, ...) |
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| 22:34.18 | oscurochu | finally. thanks |
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| 22:35.32 | babilen | yw |
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| 22:39.18 | streuner_ | wonders what kind of d-i he used to install Debian |
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| 22:39.46 | streuner_ | (in order to make such a sources.list...) |
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| 22:56.07 | Chance | hi any ideea how i can fix [ 6.983597] eth1: Failed to load firmware "tigon/tg3_tso.bin" - using debian 6.0.2 |
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| 22:56.54 | streuner_ | load the firmware into /lib/firmware ? |
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| 22:57.09 | seb82 | hey all |
| 22:57.14 | seb82 | abrotman hows ya? |
| 22:57.25 | Chance | streuner_ where from ? |
| 22:57.30 | seb82 | babilen, wot up? |
| 22:57.40 | streuner_ | !firmware |
| 22:57.40 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 22:59.37 | streuner_ | Chance: what kind of NIC is that? |
| 23:00.08 | seb82 | here I am again. I tried running sarge with fb=false but with no avail... screen still goes blank with a blinking cursor at the bottom |
| 23:00.35 | seb82 | hey streuner_, what about ya? |
| 23:00.45 | streuner_ | fine, thanks |
| 23:00.50 | seb82 | good, np |
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| 23:01.15 | seb82 | linugen, hows you? |
| 23:01.15 | Chance | streuner_ i think i messed it up a bit brb |
| 23:01.36 | streuner_ | Chance: just tell us more about your NIC, what kind of chipset? |
| 23:02.35 | seb82 | hey valdyn |
| 23:02.50 | seb82 | hey, wols, hows ya? |
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| 23:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Can you get a console in single-user mode? |
| 23:05.39 | seb82 | hey jhutchins_lt... no I can't... in regular at single user mode it blanks out the screen |
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| 23:06.13 | seb82 | *in both regular and single user... |
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| 23:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: How about no fb single user? |
| 23:08.37 | seb82 | how can I do that? |
| 23:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: That's wierd 'cause the installer obviously ran. |
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| 23:08.56 | seb82 | I need start everything manually from grub> |
| 23:09.03 | seb82 | I installed it with deboostrap... |
| 23:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Same way as for regular mode, edit line and add nofb. |
| 23:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | !nofb |
| 23:09.17 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 23:09.25 | jhutchins_lt | Or those. |
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| 23:11.29 | seb82 | I'll give it a try jhutchins_lt... htx |
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| 23:14.40 | Ti-chan | Hi. I have questions about partitioning. Could someone who knows about it in detail be of assistance? |
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| 23:15.29 | hje841 | I've started my debian box in recovery mode and now I can't find my ethernet card. ifconfig reveals only loopback device. Any suggestions on how I can get it back? |
| 23:15.44 | dondelelcaro | hje841: dmesg and lspci will clue you in |
| 23:16.15 | dondelelcaro | hje841: it either may have failed, or you may be missing firmware |
| 23:16.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ti-chan -about ask |
| 23:16.26 | ompaul | Ti-chan: I don't know, what exactly is your question, some background would be useful. |
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| 23:16.47 | hje841 | dondelelcaro: that's weird. cause they worked fine before I installed Gnome |
| 23:16.59 | hje841 | lspci finds them find |
| 23:17.02 | hje841 | fine* |
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| 23:17.36 | dondelelcaro | hje841: lspci would display them regardless. Does ip link; or ifconfig -a; display them? |
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| 23:18.11 | hje841 | dondelelcaro: ifconfig -a displays them. |
| 23:18.13 | Ti-chan | What folders to create a seperate partition for and whit what size. (I have my own idea about it) Would very nice if I could discuss this with someone |
| 23:18.34 | dondelelcaro | hje841: they're there then; they're just deconfigured. |
| 23:18.51 | dondelelcaro | hje841: presumably network-manager or something similar has taken over the configuration of them |
| 23:18.51 | daemonkeeper | There is not a single, correct answer to that question, Ti-chan. |
| 23:18.59 | seb82 | jhutchins_lt, grub doesn't work all to well... as I need to load things manually... setting video to vga16:off gives me still the same output |
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| 23:19.27 | ompaul | Ti-chan: decisions on sizes of partitions are totally personal. If you have the time and inclination, I'd suggest let the machine auto decide on LVM then you can change stuff to suit afterward. |
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| 23:19.55 | seb82 | hey ompaul |
| 23:19.58 | hje841 | dondelelcaro: hmm.. you're prob right. ifconfig down/up only gave eth0 an IPv6 address, but no traffic |
| 23:19.58 | daemonkeeper | Although the Debian installer makes lafe very hard to you if you want to use LVM, but don't allocate all available space. |
| 23:20.27 | ompaul | seb82: hello |
| 23:20.27 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: not really |
| 23:20.35 | dondelelcaro | you just have to know what you want |
| 23:20.39 | seb82 | hows ya ompaul? |
| 23:20.40 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: You need to partition manually, yes. |
| 23:21.09 | ompaul | seb82: having too much fun for a kde user :) |
| 23:21.20 | seb82 | lol always good |
| 23:21.31 | hje841 | dondelelcaro: okay, now I have traffic, but apt-get update can't get anything |
| 23:21.49 | hje841 | 'something wicked happened resolving...' |
| 23:22.00 | seb82 | hje841, wots the output of ping google.com ? |
| 23:22.20 | ompaul | Ti-chan: one thing if you do decide to go your own way, if the box is used for production anything make the swap 2x the ram |
| 23:22.23 | hje841 | seb82: unknown host |
| 23:22.34 | seb82 | hje841, so you're still down... |
| 23:22.43 | daemonkeeper | ompaul: Ehrm, swap being 2 x RAM is obsolete since ... 10 years? |
| 23:22.57 | seb82 | daemonkeeper: 3x times alright? |
| 23:23.00 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: not in certain crash situatios |
| 23:23.10 | hje841 | seb82: any suggestions? |
| 23:23.25 | seb82 | hje841: i didn't follow the story... |
| 23:23.34 | seb82 | but sure I could try |
| 23:24.11 | hje841 | I can't get in to Gnome until I've installed the right graphics driver (nvidia) hence boot in recovery mode |
| 23:24.13 | daemonkeeper | ompaul: In certain scenarios you need a certain configuration. Any rule of thumb is not helpful at all, especially not in times of 8+ GiB RAM |
| 23:24.31 | hje841 | I've added non-free repositories to sources.list |
| 23:24.41 | seb82 | kk |
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| 23:25.00 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: I hear ya, I have had use to run a box with a horrid amount of ram and swap, it got chomped by the code |
| 23:25.04 | ompaul | took an hour to run |
| 23:25.12 | amphi | gracious to a fault |
| 23:25.17 | ompaul | 16gigs of ram and 8 cores |
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| 23:25.44 | ompaul | amphi: he hit me up in pm |
| 23:25.50 | amphi | ah |
| 23:25.50 | ompaul | I told him it was bad form ... |
| 23:26.01 | ompaul | then asked him the basic question |
| 23:26.01 | seb82 | ompaul: talking about horse power |
| 23:26.03 | daemonkeeper | ompaul: So, my servers have 72G of RAM, do you tell me I need 144G swap now? :) |
| 23:26.14 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: you are a bit more special |
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| 23:26.26 | hje841 | I'm following the howto on installing nvidia drivers the Debian way and can't get to install the module-assistant or nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:26.32 | ompaul | if you are running out of ram at 72gigs you are doing it wrong :) |
| 23:26.41 | daemonkeeper | I actually do :> |
| 23:26.43 | mutax | good morning... I updated from squeeze to wheezy yesterday. Now When I visit twitter.com with iceweasel Xorg takes 100% CPU and the machine is inresponsible for 20 seconds. any hints? Using Xorg with the nvidia driver - never had problems like that. using top the WCHAN field is empty, I have no idea how to debug that. 3d acceleration is on and working. |
| 23:26.55 | seb82 | have you tried restart the network card? |
| 23:26.57 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: lets move this to a side channel :) |
| 23:27.47 | hje841 | seb82: ifconfig down/up? yeah. it didn't give me an IPv4 address |
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| 23:32.34 | ceba_ | mutax: if this is an X issue.. maybe try using the vesa driver just to rule out your videodriver? |
| 23:33.59 | mutax | hm. I'll try that, as soon as I can restart X {some terminals open without screen. damn} |
| 23:34.23 | ceba_ | does this only happen on twitter.com? |
| 23:34.54 | ceba_ | have you tried disabling all plugins / using another iceweasel profile etc.? |
| 23:34.56 | mutax | I was not yet able to find another page that behaves like that. |
| 23:35.00 | mutax | Jupp, I did |
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| 23:35.18 | ceba_ | so the same thing with a clean iceweasel install |
| 23:35.19 | mutax | even tried another version of iceweasel and the version from mozilla.org |
| 23:35.25 | mutax | yap. |
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| 23:39.15 | ceba_ | another idea could be that it's window manager dependant @ mutax |
| 23:39.56 | mutax | no, the WM shouldn't play any role here |
| 23:41.13 | hje841 | after installing Squeezy I installed Gnome, but it just gives me 'static' colors when loaded. Booting up in recovery mode to install a new nvidia driver fails. I've lost internet connection. my ethernet card is not configured. 'ifconfig down/up' doesn't help. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:43.11 | mutax | try dhclient to get an IP, if you are not starting gnome there will be no network manager applet that configures your card |
| 23:43.31 | mutax | I hat to blacklist the nouveau driver to get the nvidia driver working |
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| 23:44.10 | ceba_ | mutax: me too |
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| 23:44.26 | hje841 | mutax: thanks a lot :D |
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| 23:50.46 | hje841 | any good repository for non-free stable? |
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| 23:52.13 | somiaj | hje841: what do you mean, you just use the standard repo and add the non-free flag to get teh non-free packages |
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| 23:53.13 | hje841 | thanks somiaj |
| 23:53.27 | somiaj | !tell hje841 about non-free sources |
| 23:54.32 | sammi` | how to get rid of Nvidia's flash when booting? |
| 23:55.44 | somiaj | smica: seems you just add the option Option "NoLogo" "true" |
| 23:55.50 | somiaj | to your device section. |
| 23:56.04 | somiaj | (assuming you mean the xorg splash) |
| 23:57.06 | sammi` | yeh.I dont like that Logo when X starts |
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