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| 00:00.32 | seb82 | or unless you intend to install windows or something? |
| 00:00.52 | philipballew | heck no :) |
| 00:01.13 | seb82 | just let the installer take care of it... |
| 00:01.23 | seb82 | are you a first time user of debian? |
| 00:01.39 | seb82 | or just a basic user? |
| 00:02.04 | philipballew | no i am not. I use debian on my desktop. I use ubuntu as well. involved in their community a lot |
| 00:02.06 | seb82 | I don't mean that negatively... |
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| 00:02.23 | philipballew | ive just never seen this error |
| 00:02.35 | seb82 | kk... just try to reinstall |
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| 00:03.02 | McZoidberg | hello, does anyone know of a good guide to installing the nvidia drivers? |
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| 00:03.25 | seb82 | McZoidberg have you tried debian's wiki? |
| 00:03.50 | McZoidberg | i'm still a bit new to Debian, so that is a negative |
| 00:04.07 | seb82 | kk np |
| 00:04.49 | seb82 | McZoidberg, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:05.01 | McZoidberg | Thank you! |
| 00:05.07 | seb82 | np McZoidberg... |
| 00:05.13 | seb82 | good luc |
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| 00:14.26 | Hydrant_ | hey all.. my debian squeeze install (with software raid1) didn't install grub2 properly... how do I get a rescue mode or something to chroot into the install? I can't find anything on the boot cd |
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| 00:18.02 | rawsted | why has vi stopped autodetcting file type for a particular file? it should be conf |
| 00:18.15 | rawsted | it's causing syntax highlighting not to work |
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| 00:19.08 | yeats | rawsted: is "Syntax On" uncommented in /etc/vim/vimrc? |
| 00:19.28 | rawsted | no |
| 00:19.31 | yeats | (assuming that you've installed vim) |
| 00:19.48 | rawsted | syntax highlighting is enabled, vim is indeed installed. the reason why it's not working is that vim stopped autodetecting file type for this one file |
| 00:19.55 | rawsted | :set filetype gives filetype= |
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| 00:20.01 | rawsted | where it should be, and was, filetype=conf |
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| 00:20.31 | rawsted | if i set it manually, syntax highlighting works for that one edit session |
| 00:23.44 | rawsted | wow, it depends on the location of certain directives in this particular conf file (/etc/network/interfaces) |
| 00:24.01 | rawsted | if wlan0 is first, vim gets confused, if eth0 is first, it works |
| 00:24.03 | rawsted | ridiculous |
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| 00:37.51 | Miesco | How do I get a list of kernel modules available? |
| 00:37.55 | Miesco | the .ko files |
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| 00:38.47 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -type f -iname '*.ko' |
| 00:39.02 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 00:42.09 | Pinchiukas | Ok what the F***?! I do a 'mount --bind /dev /mnt/debootstrap/dev' and /dev/pts has files while /mnt/debootstrap/dev/pts doesn't. |
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| 00:45.04 | Pinchiukas | http://pastebin.com/N2WxHTvt |
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| 00:47.44 | Hydrant_ | okay, for some reason the installer did not install grub properly... how do I get grub to probe the OSes and properly configure ? |
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| 01:00.30 | un214 | ok that's weird |
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| 01:00.57 | un214 | irc.debian.org and irc.freenode.net seem to project multiple views of #debian |
| 01:01.37 | un214 | but every other channel I try was behaving weird |
| 01:01.57 | un214 | it would show I create, I am op because I create, and chanserve deops some others |
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| 01:02.03 | McZoidberg | seb82, the wiki is working great, thanks for the info! |
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| 01:02.58 | MaXim_ | any ipod users? |
| 01:03.09 | MaXim_ | what's an ipod manager that doesn't fail miserably |
| 01:03.25 | un214 | android |
| 01:03.33 | McZoidberg | lol |
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| 01:04.34 | McZoidberg | what desktop environments does everyone use? |
| 01:04.50 | un214 | kde |
| 01:04.53 | un214 | gnome |
| 01:04.56 | un214 | xfce |
| 01:04.57 | un214 | lxde |
| 01:05.01 | un214 | openbox |
| 01:05.03 | MaXim_ | i3 |
| 01:05.12 | un214 | and a few others I forget right now |
| 01:05.13 | MaXim_ | awesome |
| 01:05.15 | McZoidberg | not all at once im sure, whats your main? |
| 01:05.20 | un214 | and last of all vgaconsole |
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| 01:05.34 | un214 | vgaconsole |
| 01:05.34 | MaXim_ | i use xfce on desktop |
| 01:05.38 | un214 | followed by kde |
| 01:05.44 | MaXim_ | awesome on notebook |
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| 01:06.41 | McZoidberg | xfce for hardware reasons? |
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| 01:06.50 | MaXim_ | no |
| 01:07.00 | MaXim_ | because i like it |
| 01:07.44 | McZoidberg | anyone else running multiple computers/screens with a KVM switch? |
| 01:08.01 | MaXim_ | it's not even that light - my sun blade 1000 has dual 900mhz CPUs but runs barely acceptably if you turn composition on |
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| 01:08.40 | McZoidberg | I'll have to give xfce a try again, last time I used it, didn't seem very..its been a while |
| 01:09.22 | MaXim_ | its problem is dependencies on gtk and gnome libraries |
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| 01:09.33 | MaXim_ | would be perfect if it didnt pull in all that crap |
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| 01:09.57 | McZoidberg | brb, installing nvidia drivers |
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| 01:10.44 | jaggz | It's been a long time that I haven't had a good backup system.. |
| 01:10.52 | MaXim_ | bacula |
| 01:10.55 | jaggz | I hope someone's around who can help with this.. |
| 01:10.56 | jaggz | bacula? |
| 01:11.02 | jaggz | I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 01:12.38 | jaggz | looks like I might be able to run some part of it on windows too.. that's a good thing since I have linux and windows boxi |
| 01:13.27 | jaggz | one of the problems is that one of the systems I really want to backup is an old etch install |
| 01:14.17 | MaXim_ | yea just install file daemons on all your clients |
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| 01:17.47 | jaggz | oh wait, I guess I did update this box sometime.. (local box so I must not have been so scared of messing it up) |
| 01:17.54 | jaggz | it's 5.0.1.. |
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| 01:18.07 | jaggz | is there a distro name somewhere here, in /etc/, ? |
| 01:19.23 | jaggz | (every year or so I look at /etc/debian_version and then have to go online to see what version it was :) |
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| 01:21.18 | jaggz | maxim, if you don't mind me asking: Do you feel one of these bacula DB packages is useful? (mysql, pg, .. I'd choose sqlite if it's really useful) |
| 01:21.47 | jaggz | sigh.. nevermind, I just noticed it installs sqlite3 by default |
| 01:21.54 | MaXim_ | im not sure, ive never run a server on debian |
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| 01:22.10 | MaXim_ | i asume it installs bacula backends to databases |
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| 01:29.20 | linux2 | is anyone else aware of problems with a touchpad being detected as a logitech wheel mouse? I'm having this problem on my Acer Aspire 5755 and I can't seem to figure out how to get it to detect the touchpad correctly. I believe it is an elantech touchpad, but I'm not sure. |
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| 01:35.05 | woofie | moin. |
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| 01:35.12 | woofie | Shutting down hangs and kernel panics but I can't read the whole error message because it scrolls off the screen. |
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| 01:38.07 | jonee | good morning |
| 01:38.51 | jonee | how do you automatically run fn+f1 on boot? |
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| 02:15.50 | philipballew | hey! after a successful install of squeeze, My desktop boots into grub rescue |
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| 02:17.07 | wols | what is grub rescue again? |
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| 02:17.54 | wols | philipballew: what do you call "grub rescue" ? |
| 02:18.23 | bambanx | what is the best media player for debian ? for video |
| 02:18.41 | philipballew | wols, it says error no such device entering rescue mode |
| 02:18.41 | wols | !tell bambanx about best |
| 02:18.52 | bambanx | or good |
| 02:19.12 | wols | philipballew: what is your partition layout and what is your kernel commandline? |
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| 02:20.20 | philipballew | wols, i have a 500 gig hd and i did the basic install and after install it boots into this |
| 02:20.54 | wols | that's nice but not what I asked for |
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| 02:21.05 | rudi_s | babilen: VLC or mplayer |
| 02:21.12 | rudi_s | babilen: Sorry. |
| 02:21.28 | rudi_s | (Tab completion ...) |
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| 02:22.49 | philipballew | wols, ok. i have all on one section and a 4.7 (i think) swap space. |
| 02:23.10 | philipballew | all my files are on 1 partition |
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| 02:25.35 | wols | philipballew: do you currently have access to your debian installation? |
| 02:26.03 | wols | if so, try fdisk -l or cat /proc/partitions |
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| 02:26.44 | philipballew | wols, no i do not. it wont really boot into grub |
| 02:27.23 | philipballew | i just put in a bigger harddrive. would that be a problem you think? |
| 02:27.35 | wols | no it would not. |
| 02:27.46 | wols | so you don't see the grub menu at all? what do you have instead? |
| 02:27.47 | urlin2u | philipballew, you familiar with the bootscript runit with aubuntu install or disc it will tell you whats up. |
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| 02:28.20 | urlin2u | might run in debian not sure. |
| 02:28.55 | urlin2u | http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:29.00 | philipballew | I am familuar with it. I have a live cd i can run and see what it does |
| 02:29.19 | urlin2u | philipballew, paste it if you want. :D |
| 02:29.53 | philipballew | alright. might take a little bit urlin2u gotta get everything to boot |
| 02:30.23 | urlin2u | philipballew, no problem just hanging. :D |
| 02:30.26 | jonee | hi guys! how do you automatically run fn+f1 on boot or login? |
| 02:30.47 | philipballew | wols, i have squeeze, I had ubuntu 10.04 before that then installed this as i moved the drive to a different computer |
| 02:31.01 | dvs | !tell jonee about nodm |
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| 02:31.09 | wols | !tell philipballew about fixgrub |
| 02:31.32 | wols | philipballew: and you haven't answered to what prompt you can get currently |
| 02:31.32 | philipballew | wols, it did this on 2 different cd's :) |
| 02:31.43 | philipballew | prompt in what way? |
| 02:32.03 | wols | something must be on screen |
| 02:32.15 | jonee | dvs thanks but might not be what I want |
| 02:32.47 | wols | jonee: what does fn+f1 do? |
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| 02:34.47 | jonee | it turns off the multimedia leds on my laptop. i always just type fn+f1 but there might be another way |
| 02:34.50 | jonee | wols |
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| 02:35.42 | wols | jonee: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-658040.html lists some suggestions for example. however, you should check why these LEDs come on in the first place and disable that |
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| 02:36.28 | wols | philipballew: if you can, boot a live cd, any live cd and use it to connect here. then you can properly diagnose your setup |
| 02:36.50 | philipballew | alright. ill do that and see whats up |
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| 02:37.55 | jonee | thanks that is helpful wols. well those leds are for windows to adjust volume, pause / play music, next track etc. but I am not a fan of those red led lights |
| 02:38.17 | wols | philipballew: did you install squeeze when the disk was inside this computer or did you install it in another one and move it then? have you removed any disks since installing squeeze? (e.g. by installing via usb stick)? |
| 02:38.19 | jonee | it is turned on by default and no option in bios to disable |
| 02:38.32 | jonee | like bluetooth which I have managed to turn off |
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| 02:39.17 | philipballew | wols, I installed it via a cd and i have not done anything to the comp since |
| 02:39.24 | wols | jonee: since fn+f1 deals with acpi, I'm not sure a simulated keypress will work however |
| 02:39.44 | jonee | ok thanks |
| 02:39.51 | wols | philipballew: your "grub rescue" gives you a prompt, right? |
| 02:40.31 | philipballew | yeah. |
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| 02:40.42 | philipballew | wols ^ |
| 02:40.46 | wols | philipballew: in rescue mode, run "ls" |
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| 02:42.50 | philipballew | (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0) seb82 |
| 02:43.25 | philipballew | i ran some of these commands before then reinstalled and the error is still here |
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| 02:44.49 | urlin2u | philipballew, youmade sure grub was pointed to that mbr of the install HD and that is first read? |
| 02:45.13 | philipballew | i selected yer to write it to the mbr |
| 02:45.34 | philipballew | *yes |
| 02:45.42 | urlin2u | philipballew, is that HD first to be read in the bios? |
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| 02:45.56 | philipballew | idk. I can look |
| 02:46.05 | lfs | What is the latest version of Debian? |
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| 02:46.29 | woofie | squeeze. |
| 02:46.40 | lfs | stable version |
| 02:46.55 | wols | urlin2u: as you can see, it's the only one |
| 02:47.10 | wols | urlin2u: and "hd0" there is pretty self explanatory too |
| 02:47.43 | urlin2u | wols, I'm not familiar with the ls command, and if it would list all HD's |
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| 02:48.12 | lfs | What is the latest stable version of Debian? |
| 02:49.07 | lulzfish_4 | lfs: Yeah, squeeze (6.0) is the latest stable, I think |
| 02:49.10 | wols | !tell lfs about squeeze |
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| 02:51.26 | lfs | is it /etc/sources.list? |
| 02:51.30 | lfs | To change? |
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| 02:52.07 | wols | lfs: please tell us what you are actually trying to do. then we can help you a lot better |
| 02:52.35 | philipballew | wols, so i booted a lubuntu live usb |
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| 02:52.49 | lfs | I want to see my sources.list file or whatever the hell it is called |
| 02:52.58 | lfs | So I can see what version I got. |
| 02:53.04 | wols | philipballew: can you pastebin your device.map and your grub.cfg? |
| 02:53.16 | wols | !version |
| 02:53.16 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 02:53.23 | philipballew | sure. |
| 02:53.33 | philipballew | needs to remember how to do that |
| 02:53.39 | wols | lfs: what's in your sources.list is not a good indicator what the actually version you run is |
| 02:53.54 | wols | philipballew: does the lubuntu have network access? |
| 02:53.56 | lfs | I have Lenny |
| 02:54.02 | lfs | How old is that one? |
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| 02:54.27 | wols | lenny is oldstable |
| 02:54.36 | wols | lfs: /msg dpkg lenny |
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| 02:54.43 | philipballew | wols, yeah |
| 02:54.50 | lfs | So squeeze might fix my video card? |
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| 02:55.02 | lfs | I have ATI card that doesn't work right in Lenny |
| 02:55.16 | wols | lfs: I told you to tell us your actual problem. instead you wasted more time. |
| 02:55.21 | dvs | ATI makes many video cards |
| 02:55.55 | lfs | Radeon HD 4650 |
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| 02:57.14 | lfs | From what I read if upgrade doesn't fix the card I am out of luck |
| 02:57.39 | lfs | As this card does not have open source drivers |
| 02:57.48 | wols | you are wrong on both accounts there |
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| 02:58.36 | lfs | I sure could be, but I can't figure out how to get this card to work right. |
| 02:58.58 | wols | !tell lfs about lenny->squeeze |
| 02:59.26 | wols | and yes, you need firmware-linux-nonfree for your videocard |
| 03:00.43 | lfs | Even with Squeeze? |
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| 03:01.25 | wols | especially with squeeze |
| 03:01.41 | lfs | OK Thanks |
| 03:01.48 | lfs | But a little disappointing |
| 03:01.53 | wols | what is? |
| 03:01.56 | lfs | I Should have taken more care in buying the card |
| 03:02.08 | aombk | ok can someone point me to the right direction? i am lost here, i dont know what to do. recently it looks like i have lost all my user privileges even though i remain in the groups that grant them. what do i do? i dont know where to look.please help |
| 03:02.13 | wols | I don't get your problem. the card is supported both with free drivers and fglrx |
| 03:02.21 | wols | lfs: have you even read what dpkg messaged you |
| 03:02.42 | wols | aombk: more context needed. what is your actual problem? |
| 03:03.11 | lfs | Did I support non open source hardware by buying this card? |
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| 03:03.57 | wols | lfs: no. at least not to the extent that is possible for videocards. right now, nvidia cards are less open source friendly. this might change with nouveau but that's not there yet. it still has work to do |
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| 03:04.29 | lfs | OK I feel better |
| 03:04.49 | EmleyMoor | For full support of just about any decent video card, you need at least some non-free software at present |
| 03:04.58 | aombk | wols, well i cannot shutdown, i cannot edit any networkmanager connections i cannot change the time etc. |
| 03:05.04 | aombk | wols, i can if i sudo in a terminal. but the gnome applets do not ask for a root password when i try to edit something most system settings are just filled with grayed out options. even though i am in groups like power and network and networkmanager etc. and all these applet and nautilus behaved differently before an update |
| 03:05.33 | wols | aombk: what debian branch and what did the update do? |
| 03:05.48 | wols | aombk: if you run testing, you deserve what you get. this is why it's called testing |
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| 03:07.13 | wols | lfs: in squeeze, with the non free firmware installed, your card should be supported by free drivers. in lenny this wasn't possible since when lenny came out, your card didn't exist yet |
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| 03:07.35 | wols | lfs: and you need to upgrade to squeeze soon anyways. Lenny will be EOL in ~5 months |
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| 03:09.37 | aombk | yes it is testing but i do not know where to start. i dont remeber the update because lots of things were updated |
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| 03:10.38 | wols | aombk: it's testing. and will get gnome3 over time. it will break. a lot, like just now. |
| 03:10.56 | aombk | but let me askcould all this be related with something called polkit or policykit? |
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| 03:15.19 | bambanx | how i can compress a file in parts? |
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| 03:17.44 | wols | bambanx: either by using split (man split) or using zip and the split-size option |
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| 03:20.24 | bambanx | thanks wols |
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| 04:26.29 | bombadil_ | i'm having a heck of a time opening an SSh tunnel to my server. what is the proper command to do so? i have tried so many different ones and none seem to work |
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| 04:27.09 | karlpinc | bombadil_: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:27.45 | simonlnu | ssh [-options] user@host_or_ip_address |
| 04:27.49 | simonlnu | man ssh |
| 04:28.11 | karlpinc | bombadil_: You probably want -L. |
| 04:28.16 | simonlnu | oh, tunnel nm that ^^. but yes check the manual, it has a couple of examples |
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| 04:28.34 | simonlnu | what he said ;) |
| 04:28.35 | bombadil_ | karlpinc: i want to mount an AFP share through a SSH tunnel. But first i just want to tunnel my port 80 and use my server as a proxy in that way while browsing, to make sure it works |
| 04:29.06 | bombadil_ | i have tried that and it doesn't work. i'll try again |
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| 04:29.38 | simonlnu | why not just use afpfs ? |
| 04:29.42 | seidell | is debian hard to install? |
| 04:29.48 | NiLon | -D would maybe be better for browser |
| 04:30.00 | simonlnu | seidell: no. www.debian.org |
| 04:30.03 | bombadil_ | simonlnu: i will investigate afpfs, never heard of it until now. thanks! |
| 04:30.18 | simonlnu | it's on sourceforge |
| 04:30.27 | seidell | simonlnu is there an automatic installer like fedora, ubuntu? |
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| 04:30.31 | simonlnu | they have a deb (x86) |
| 04:30.34 | karlpinc | bombadil_: Getting it to proxy is another ball of wax, unless you've a proxy running remotly. Otherwise, e.g. 'ssh -L 8080:localhost:80 foo@example.com' means you can use http://localhost:8080/ to talk with something listening on port 80 on the remote box. |
| 04:30.59 | karlpinc | seidell: Depends on what you mean by hard. See the install guide. |
| 04:31.02 | simonlnu | seidell: what sort of automation? |
| 04:31.14 | wols | bombadil_: do you run a socks proxy on your server? |
| 04:31.31 | seidell | hard in like archlinux install |
| 04:31.36 | bombadil_ | wols, karlpinc: good point, i totally forgot about the need to run a proxy. I used to use squid. i forgot! |
| 04:32.14 | wols | while you can run squid, it's a bit of an overkill for what you want |
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| 04:33.23 | karlpinc | seidell: Since you're new, you could try typing these in your irc client. "/msg dpkg ig" "/msg dpkg introduction" "/msg dpkg overview" |
| 04:33.34 | lfs | Is firmware-linux-nonfree for Lenny? |
| 04:33.36 | bombadil_ | wols: what would you recommend? |
| 04:33.44 | lfs | Or only for Squeeze? |
| 04:33.48 | simonlnu | !fai |
| 04:33.48 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 04:34.36 | karlpinc | simonlnu: I have a feeling he means "easy as in I don't know what I'm doing and want to install by pressing a single button". |
| 04:35.28 | seidell | is debian easy to install like ubuntu ? |
| 04:35.44 | karlpinc | lfs: The non-free firmware policy is new in squeeze. |
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| 04:35.59 | karlpinc | seidell: Last time I tried installing ubuntu (years ago) it was about the same. |
| 04:36.21 | seidell | is debian better than ubuntu? or fedora? |
| 04:36.35 | karlpinc | seidell: The netinstall is only about 120M. You could download it and try it and see. |
| 04:37.06 | kurtis | Hey guys, I know this is a pretty common issue -- but I just need a quick fix that is somewhat secure. Basically, I'm admin'ing (but barely, I'm not getting paid for this crap) a web site ran on a dedicated server. Nothing special going on -- just Apache w/ PHP. Since it was dedicated to this site, I stuck with the default /var/www for the site and have made all of my changes and chown'd as I built it. |
| 04:37.51 | wols | karlpinc: 120MB was a few versions ago. nowadays it's bigger :) |
| 04:38.05 | kurtis | Now, I'm done with this site and the client is hiring another developer. Turns out the guy doesn't know much -- he will only work with an FTP. I've decided that I'm going to give them SFTP and that's it. FTP is too insecure to be on my hands. What's the best way to give a group write access to /var/www so that any new files or modified files are created under the www-data:www-data user/group? |
| 04:38.06 | karlpinc | seidell: Depends on the person. We think it's more stable, and has more packages. It's also "harder" in that the base debian is free-software only, so you need to turn on non-free stuff. (That makes it "harder" for some. YMMV.) |
| 04:39.00 | karlpinc | wols: Ok. I thought it was just bloated because the default link gets both an amd64 and i386 arch and so is double the size. |
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| 04:39.58 | wols | kurtis: why would stuff in /var/www be owned by www-data, especially when you claim to care about security? |
| 04:40.23 | karlpinc | kurtis: http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
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| 04:42.08 | seidell | umm what iso should i choose here? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:42.10 | kurtis | Whoops, accidentally closed this channel. I got a link and a question about why the files are owned by www-data. That's because Apache complains otherwise |
| 04:42.56 | karlpinc | seidell: You probably want the netinstall. 32 or 64 bit computer? |
| 04:43.02 | karlpinc | !tell seidell about netinstall |
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| 04:43.28 | karlpinc | kurtis: Apache won't complain if you make the files world readable. |
| 04:43.35 | seidell | karlpinc: no i want the normal iso... 64 bit computer, but i want the 32 bit |
| 04:44.10 | karlpinc | seidell: The cds are mostly useful for when you've lots of computers to install on or no internet. |
| 04:44.20 | karlpinc | seidell: Then you want the i386 arch. |
| 04:44.31 | kurtis | karlpinc: hmm, I remember I ran into a problem last time I did that. I just chowned everything to another user so they could temporarily use it ? let me give it another shot |
| 04:44.49 | seidell | karlpinc that is not on that list:| |
| 04:45.43 | kurtis | karlpinc: Normally you're absolutely right -- I'm pretty sure it might have had something to do with this zend optimizer they're running |
| 04:46.20 | kurtis | And also a handful of directories that need to be writable by Apache |
| 04:47.26 | karlpinc | seidell: Probably http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso but if you insist on downloading a full cd then http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso unless you're crazy and want all 52 cds. |
| 04:48.21 | karlpinc | !tell seidell about firmware images |
| 04:48.40 | karlpinc | seidell: ^^ that would be what you want if you've got hardware that needs non-free firmware to work. |
| 04:49.21 | kurtis | Other than those tricks where people manage to upload a PHP file to gain access to the system, how is letting Apache own /var/www a security risk? |
| 04:49.27 | karlpinc | seidell: (That is, if you're unwilling to read the install guide and download the firmware yourself.) |
| 04:49.30 | wols | karlpinc: pretty much only needed if your network hardware needs this non-free firmware |
| 04:50.09 | karlpinc | wols: Agreed. But then, who knows what he's got. |
| 04:50.46 | wols | kurtis: considering how many break ins happen via php, this is a very very important risk and the most common one |
| 04:50.59 | karlpinc | kurtis: If the webserver is cracked you've lost the website. |
| 04:52.20 | karlpinc | kurtis: (And of course the directories need at least "other" "x" permission.) |
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| 04:54.59 | karlpinc | Humm. i386 netinstall now clocks in at 191M. |
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| 04:58.24 | seidell | karlpinc ok but if i choose the net install, i have only wi-fi, do you think my wireless card will work in the installler? |
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| 04:59.21 | karlpinc | seidell: I don't know. I seem to either suck at wireless or am always buying the wrong hardware. |
| 05:00.14 | seidell | xD |
| 05:00.14 | somiaj | seidell: what is your wireless card. If it needs non-free firmware you'll have to grab that package on the side (though I think there are installers with non-free firmware already in them) |
| 05:00.26 | wols | seidell: what wlan chip do you have? |
| 05:00.31 | somiaj | seidell: the debian wiki seems to have a fairly good instructions for most wireless cards. |
| 05:00.48 | wols | seidell: and if wlan is your only network access, I strongly suggest you get CD1 instead of netinst |
| 05:00.59 | seidell | whats the command to show what card i have? |
| 05:01.19 | wols | in linux? lspci -nn or lsusb |
| 05:02.13 | seidell | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.46 | somiaj | seidell: http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 05:02.52 | somiaj | yes it uses non-free firmware. |
| 05:03.22 | seidell | ok |
| 05:03.25 | seidell | nice |
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| 05:17.41 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 05:17.48 | mah454 | where is modules.conf ? |
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| 05:22.01 | mah454 | debian have not /etc/modules.conf ! where is this file ? |
| 05:22.13 | mah454 | /etc/modules.conf == /etc/modules ? |
| 05:22.28 | somiaj | mah454: what config file do you want? |
| 05:22.49 | mah454 | somiaj, this : http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/CDServer-HOWTO/addloops.html |
| 05:23.28 | somiaj | mah454: those are put in /etc/modules.d |
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| 05:24.00 | somiaj | mah454: you should jsut make your own loop.conf file for that |
| 05:24.18 | mah454 | somiaj, i have not this directory ! |
| 05:24.32 | somiaj | mah454: sorry /etc/modporobe.d -- my bad |
| 05:24.33 | mah454 | make this ? |
| 05:25.10 | mah454 | ok ... thank you :) |
| 05:25.45 | somiaj | mah454: it just splits up the files for orginization, I would grep that dir for loop first to make sure you don't have it set somewhere else, but most likely just create your own file for it. |
| 05:26.59 | mah454 | somiaj, I only need loop file in /dev . |
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| 05:27.39 | somiaj | mah454: then why are you adding more loop devices. do 'ls /dev/loop*' first |
| 05:27.54 | somiaj | mah454: do you need more loop devices, or just want a link /dev/loop to a paticular one of them? |
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| 05:28.22 | mah454 | somiaj, I have 7 files on this ... . I need more ... |
| 05:28.38 | somiaj | mah454: yea then just create a loop.conf file, put that line in it, rmmod and modprobe it |
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| 05:31.51 | chovy | can someone explain this? https://gist.github.com/777c667084132e21d29c |
| 05:32.00 | mah454 | somiaj, max_loop=10 do not work ! but max_loop=16 work ! why ? |
| 05:32.10 | somiaj | mah454: powers of 2 |
| 05:32.20 | somiaj | mah454: memory addressing I'm assuming...so 16,32,64 |
| 05:32.39 | mah454 | somiaj, ohhhh ! ok . it's true ! |
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| 05:33.41 | himuraken | Got a weird one: running rpcinfo -p 10.10.30.99 (squeeze amd64) from my ubuntu system on same lan |
| 05:34.06 | himuraken | I get valid NFS reponses when ran as regular user, root fails as though NFS isnt running. Any idea? |
| 05:37.23 | wols | maybe your nfs daemon disallows root to connect for security reasons? |
| 05:37.56 | himuraken | Thats what I thought, checked that via webmin and "everyone" is allowed. |
| 05:39.13 | himuraken | Yeah I have: everyone, everyone but root, nobody. All exports are set to everyone |
| 05:39.25 | himuraken | I was thinking firewall but that isnt on a per user basis. |
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| 06:07.55 | internat | himuraken: do you have no root squash in your exports? |
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| 06:11.12 | sanduz2 | what file contains the list of init.d scripts to run at start up? and what is the recommended way to alter these things? |
| 06:11.45 | gabrielle | hey peeps got any suggestion on a cli version of pidgin? |
| 06:11.59 | internat | sandu: i believe the newer version are dependency based startup so each init file says what it depends on |
| 06:12.06 | Corey | sanduz2: update-rc.d |
| 06:12.19 | internat | the older versions its booted in the sequence listed in your run level eg /etc/rc.3/ |
| 06:12.29 | Corey | gabrielle: I use irssi with bitlbee, but there are likely better options |
| 06:12.44 | gabrielle | well i think i have used licq |
| 06:12.44 | internat | will have symlinks back to the init.d files that show the order. S01 starts before S02 etc.. |
| 06:12.55 | lulzfish_4 | irssi with bitlbee is pretty good, I'm also using that. It does AIM, MSN (I think), probably Google Talk.. |
| 06:13.15 | gabrielle | ok |
| 06:13.53 | gabrielle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.04 | gabrielle | eeep |
| 06:14.07 | gabrielle | it does perfect!!!! |
| 06:14.12 | sanduz2 | Corey, internat, thank you |
| 06:14.26 | internat | np |
| 06:14.44 | gabrielle | ty |
| 06:16.02 | lulzfish_4 | bitlbee implements an IRC server of some sort so it should work with any IRC client, from what I understand |
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| 06:34.10 | sanduz2 | can someone explain the 'source' command? everywhere i look it says its 'used to run a script file' but when i 'source /etc/hosts' for example, it actually refreshes my system or something with the new /etc/hosts file |
| 06:34.23 | sanduz2 | and the /etc/hosts file isnt a script... |
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| 06:35.43 | Bushmills | think of it as a kind of "include" |
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| 06:36.57 | hatter | I have a number of 'screens' (using gnu screen) open which are labelled, can i save the current setup so i dont have to make them all again on reboot ? |
| 06:37.11 | sanduz2 | Bushmills, is there somewhere i can read more about it or something that talks about its underlying function? |
| 06:37.21 | sanduz2 | didnt find a man page for it |
| 06:38.05 | somiaj | sanduz2: man hosts |
| 06:38.10 | Bushmills | bash man page |
| 06:38.13 | gabrielle | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.29 | gabrielle | its quite easy just make a .screenrc in your ~/ |
| 06:38.34 | sanduz2 | somiaj, i meant man for the 'source' command |
| 06:38.35 | gabrielle | aka home |
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| 06:38.50 | hatter | gabrielle. ok thx i will check it out |
| 06:40.13 | iq-9 | Greetings Debianites. I just installed Debian on my desktop and after a reboot I get an endless login loop where I am continuously prompted my password, but never get in. However, I did not receive any message that I submitted an incorrect password. Any ideas? |
| 06:40.20 | jmarsden | sanduz2: in bash, type help source |
| 06:40.26 | sanduz2 | jmarsden, thanks |
| 06:40.47 | jmarsden | sanduz2: You're welcome |
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| 06:42.56 | sanduz2 | weird, every piece of documentation says 'source' executes a script but i am able to use it to refresh my environment with an updated /etc/hosts file, for example. arghh |
| 06:42.59 | iq-9 | I logged in under recovery mode and am in as root. Any suggestions? |
| 06:43.35 | somiaj | iq-9: check the logs, seems as if login is failing.... |
| 06:43.52 | somiaj | iq-9: can you su - <user> correctly |
| 06:43.57 | iq-9 | somiaj, What can I do to rectify? |
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| 06:44.29 | iq-9 | somiaj, |
| 06:44.41 | iq-9 | somiaj, Yeah, I can |
| 06:45.21 | somiaj | as root type 'login username' enter in your password.... that work? |
| 06:46.11 | iq-9 | somiaj, Yes it does |
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| 06:46.48 | somiaj | check /var/log/auth.log does it have any errors about those logins that failed? |
| 06:48.03 | iq-9 | somiaj, The dates are wrong |
| 06:48.22 | iq-9 | somiaj, Do you think that could be the culprit? |
| 06:48.32 | somiaj | poke around other logs in there syslog, messages, hopefully you can find the culprit via and error |
| 06:49.58 | iq-9 | somiaj, I do not see anything out of the ordinary. Do you think a re-install in order? |
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| 06:50.52 | somiaj | iq-9: I think that is admiditing defeat. And if its a fresh install things may not turn out different if you use the same install media |
| 06:51.06 | somiaj | iq-9: maybe reinstall all the login packages. |
| 06:51.40 | iq-9 | somiaj, How do I do that? |
| 06:52.05 | somiaj | though login seems to work just fine when you invoked it. |
| 06:52.22 | iq-9 | somiaj, It just will not let me in |
| 06:53.09 | somiaj | iq-9: are you trying to login via gdm or some display manager? Or just doing a console login |
| 06:53.25 | ham5 | xserver 1.11.1-1 plays nice with nvidia drivers now? |
| 06:53.56 | somiaj | ham5: I wouldn't say that. But it may work in your case. I'm on nouveau now. |
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| 06:54.19 | iq-9 | somiaj, After a fresh net-install, I was going to log into my system for the first time. I used the graphic installer, so the first thing you get when you reboot and get the user name and password prompt |
| 06:54.33 | ham5 | was gettin that ABI error stuff |
| 06:55.16 | somiaj | iq-9: but is it on a graphical screen or a consol. It could be your desktop failing, if so check your xorg or display manger log |
| 06:55.46 | somiaj | ham5: both the nvidia drivers (the really 275.x and the 285.x from experiemntal can work with the abi 11 |
| 06:56.18 | ham5 | thanks somiaj |
| 06:56.47 | somiaj | ham5: but they have been crashing on my system, I've tried all combos. There are still some funky bug reports. I think the ones in sid will more likely have the best results. |
| 06:56.56 | somiaj | well all recent combs |
| 06:57.01 | Bushmills | iq-9: the question is probably: "why are you in recovery mode"? |
| 06:57.15 | iq-9 | Bushmills, There is no other way I can get in |
| 06:57.42 | iq-9 | Bushmills, If logging in will not get me in, do I have another option? |
| 06:57.49 | Bushmills | how that? forgot your password? |
| 06:57.50 | somiaj | iq-9: when you boot up you should hit ctrl-alt-f1 -- that should bring you to a normal login screen. That means its just x that is broken and we can track down why. |
| 06:58.37 | somiaj | iq-9: but you should verify you are at a normal console login vs a graphical xorg login |
| 06:58.50 | iq-9 | Bushmills, You dis not read my previous message. Essentially, I cannot enter my desktop gui, despite the correct username and password. I get no 'wrong password' error |
| 06:59.06 | somiaj | iq-9: check your Xorg.0.log |
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| 06:59.22 | Bushmills | iq-9: have you installed a window manager? or a desktop environment? |
| 07:00.02 | iq-9 | Bushmills, I am not sure, I just followed the graphical installer prompts |
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| 07:00.51 | Bushmills | when you're in "recovery mode", you're in a graphical terminal, with a command line? |
| 07:01.20 | iq-9 | Bushmills, I am in a command line terminal screen |
| 07:01.26 | hatter | i just upgrade this box from lenny to squeeze and now it cant find the lvm... |
| 07:02.03 | Bushmills | so how do "recovery mode" and "no graphic login" connect? |
| 07:02.27 | iq-9 | Bushmills, You tell me |
| 07:02.39 | Bushmills | no, you do |
| 07:02.52 | Bushmills | one doesn't seem to have anything to do with the other |
| 07:03.14 | iq-9 | Bushmills, Okay, thanks |
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| 07:04.48 | Bushmills | maybe it's some confused terminology. a console login is just that - a console login.that's not usually called "recovery mode" |
| 07:05.17 | iq-9 | sure. |
| 07:05.32 | somiaj | I got the impression he couldn't login so he rebooted into rescue mode from the install cd? |
| 07:05.33 | Bushmills | that's just "linux, but without GUI" |
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| 07:06.38 | Bushmills | somiaj: and then, from rescue cd, he can't do a graphical login to his GUI? |
| 07:06.58 | somiaj | Bushmills: no he can't login so he is trying to fix it from resuce mode. |
| 07:07.18 | Bushmills | would be nice if he could confirm that, with a few words |
| 07:07.22 | somiaj | iq-9: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. |
| 07:07.47 | somiaj | Bushmills: agreed, I thoguht he ment he couldn't login to console mode not X from the start. :/ |
| 07:08.14 | Bushmills | i first thought he rebooted into runlevel 1 |
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| 07:09.05 | Bushmills | then i thought he used his DM to log into a no-window-manager xterm session |
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| 07:09.14 | iq-9 | somiaj, What am I looking for |
| 07:09.32 | Bushmills | but now i don't know what he's in and what he calls "recovery mode" |
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| 07:10.05 | somiaj | iq-9: we should start over. To many things could be the reason until we figure out where you are at. |
| 07:10.20 | somiaj | iq-9: but look for EE or WW lines in the log file, see if they say anything about somethign failing |
| 07:10.29 | somiaj | WW may not be that important though |
| 07:11.12 | iq-9 | somiaj, no such lines were found |
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| 07:12.07 | somiaj | iq-9: dpkg -l | grep "dm " |
| 07:12.12 | somiaj | iq-9: what display manager was installed. |
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| 07:14.06 | iq-9 | somiaj, about twelve lines were listed for the first command and none relate to a gui. As for the second question, I was not give an option. I just followed the prompts and filled out the fields as the ypopped up |
| 07:14.22 | jillsmitt_h | hi |
| 07:14.49 | somiaj | iq-9: did you see any package like 'gdm' 'xdm' 'kdm' 'wdm'? |
| 07:15.05 | iq-9 | oops, "gdm 3 next generation GNOME display manager" |
| 07:15.18 | iq-9 | I did not ask for that |
| 07:15.21 | somiaj | iq-9: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:15.34 | somiaj | iq-9: your not running stable if you have access to gdm 3 |
| 07:15.39 | iq-9 | But then again, I was not asked what I wanted, I figured maybe the option would come later |
| 07:16.00 | iq-9 | somiaj, Ahh, I downloaded the wrong install disc then |
| 07:16.10 | somiaj | iq-9: cat /etc/debain_version |
| 07:16.31 | iq-9 | 6.0.2 |
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| 07:16.53 | iq-9 | Is that a development one? |
| 07:17.17 | somiaj | no that is the stable version. I don't see why it says "gdm 3 next generation" |
| 07:18.31 | somiaj | hmm, my mistake appears that gdm3 is in squeeze. But I think this is where the issue is |
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| 07:19.11 | somiaj | iq-9: do you have a gdm log in /var/log |
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| 07:24.03 | pumaaaaz | what can I use to stream my games? like streammygame does but actually work? |
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| 07:26.54 | Bushmills | ,versions streammygame |
| 07:26.56 | judd | No package named 'streammygame' was found in i386. |
| 07:27.13 | Bushmills | can't tell, that package isn't known |
| 07:28.20 | wols | how does one "stream" a game in the first place? |
| 07:28.25 | pumaaaaz | yea its not opensource so it probably wouldn't be listed |
| 07:29.18 | pumaaaaz | wols kind of like what onlive does i guess but a local way, your host computer runs the game and it streams a compressed video and transmits your controls |
| 07:29.40 | wols | pumaaaaz: http://www.virtualgl.org/About/Introduction |
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| 07:39.03 | tonycolin7 | hi guys |
| 07:39.41 | tonycolin7 | could someone please tell me how can I fix this: make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop |
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| 07:40.09 | wols | tonycolin7: where did you get this software you want to compile. they can fix it |
| 07:40.36 | Bushmills | you'd provide the file which is missing, in the location where it's been looked for. |
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| 07:41.05 | tonycolin7 | I got it from v |
| 07:41.06 | tonycolin7 | https://github.com/torvalds/linux |
| 07:41.43 | tonycolin7 | but it only gives me problems on Debian Lenny, because in Squeeze I got it compiled fine. |
| 07:42.41 | wols | then it wasn't the first error the one above. and it could be your gcc toolchain is too old for a 3.0 kernel |
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| 07:42.52 | wols | not to mention that udev might not like 3.0 either |
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| 07:43.28 | tonycolin7 | wols: absolutely, great idea! I will check my versions. |
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| 07:44.17 | wols | tonycolin7: is there any reasonable reason why you need a totally current kernel and lenny at the same time? |
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| 07:44.46 | tonycolin7 | Yes, I need to compile Dom 0 kernel with Root NFS support wols |
| 07:45.28 | tonycolin7 | and... well... the kernel which has the most recent xen support/updates included is 3.1.0 |
| 07:46.34 | wols | you can compile a kernel on any debian machine (with kernel-package) and install in in another. e.g. you can compile on squeeze and install the resulting kernel.deb with dpkg -i in lenny (usually) |
| 07:47.15 | tonycolin7 | :O... well... if that is the case let me try my .deb packages and I will tell you in 5 minutes if they went ok :) |
| 07:47.19 | wols | but I still suggest you should upgrade lenny to current stable. in another 5 months there are no more security updates for lenny anyways. so before you do major work on lenny, simply upgrade. it's easier |
| 07:47.47 | tonycolin7 | perfect wols! |
| 07:47.56 | tonycolin7 | thank you.. I am working on it now. |
| 07:48.48 | tonycolin7 | apt-get upgrade |
| 07:49.25 | tonycolin7 | I have de sid packages enabled on /etc/apt/sources.list ... is that ok? |
| 07:49.33 | wols | tonycolin7: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libalgorithm* |
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| 07:49.48 | wols | tonycolin7: if you run debian squeeze normally, this is not ok at all |
| 07:50.00 | tonycolin7 | ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/info/libalgorithm*: No such file or directory |
| 07:50.03 | wols | tonycolin7: E_CHAN sorry |
| 07:50.28 | wols | having sid enabled is not ok if you run stable. it's a very fast way to a debian reinstall |
| 07:50.39 | tonycolin7 | ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/info/E_CHAN*: No such file or directory |
| 07:52.02 | wols | E_CHAN meaning "this was meant for another channel" |
| 07:52.20 | tonycolin7 | oh ok |
| 07:52.23 | wols | and mixing sid and debian stable is very very bad idea and shouldn't be ever done |
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| 07:52.44 | tonycolin7 | ok I'll comment that line then |
| 07:53.17 | wols | tonycolin7: the damage might have already been done... |
| 07:53.22 | somiaj | if you have already pulled in some thigns from sid it may be to late. |
| 07:53.34 | somiaj | aptitude search ~S~i~Asid |
| 07:53.43 | tonycolin7 | just the newest version of kernel-package |
| 07:53.44 | somiaj | I belive that will see which sid packages you have installed. |
| 07:53.53 | tonycolin7 | okay somiaj |
| 07:54.10 | somiaj | the issue is usually things depend on the libc6 and that is where stuff starts tog et messed up pulling that in. |
| 07:54.37 | tonycolin7 | actually yes :S |
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| 07:55.49 | somiaj | wait, its aptitude search ~S~i~Aunstable |
| 07:56.14 | tonycolin7 | when I do apt-get upgrade on lenny... it becomes debian 6? |
| 07:56.19 | tonycolin7 | ok somiaj |
| 07:56.27 | somiaj | !tell tonycolin7 aboug ssbp |
| 07:56.59 | somiaj | tonycolin7: it will upgrade to the newest version in your sources.list, so yes provided you changed your sources.list to squeeze from lenny and then ran aptitude update |
| 07:57.02 | wols | tonycolin7: no. lenny is debian 5. and I doubt you can apt-get upgrade to lenny |
| 07:57.19 | somiaj | also read the release docs on squeeze, there are some issues to worry about when upgrading form lenny |
| 07:57.34 | somiaj | !tell tonycolin7 about ssbp |
| 07:58.45 | tonycolin7 | okay somiaj |
| 07:59.53 | tonycolin7 | I have 18 unstable packages :S |
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| 08:00.28 | somiaj | tonycolin7: my suggestion is manually downgrade them all to squeeze if you can, but you'll have to use dpkg not apt. |
| 08:01.56 | tonycolin7 | from lenny to squeeze? how is it done with dpkg? downloading the packages directly from the website? |
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| 08:02.11 | babilen | tonycolin7: Please remove sid from your sources.list and give us the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 08:02.20 | babilen | tonycolin7: (i.e. Paste it to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 08:02.27 | tonycolin7 | okay |
| 08:03.07 | babilen | Throw in the output of "apt-cache policy" too |
| 08:03.11 | tonycolin7 | sure |
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| 08:06.03 | babilen | tonycolin7: Or even better :) -- Make that "aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" |
| 08:06.22 | babilen | (sorry, still pre-coffee -- /me should change that) |
| 08:06.53 | tonycolin7 | there is the psot |
| 08:06.54 | tonycolin7 | http://paste.debian.net/133581/ |
| 08:06.57 | tonycolin7 | ohh ok ok |
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| 08:07.49 | tonycolin7 | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 08:07.50 | tonycolin7 | :S |
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| 08:10.40 | tonycolin7 | aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT)) |
| 08:10.41 | babilen | tonycolin7: ah, you are on lenny? I am afraid that your aptitude version does not have Super Cow Powers (yet) -- "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1" has to suffice then. |
| 08:10.46 | tonycolin7 | yes |
| 08:10.51 | tonycolin7 | I am on lenny |
| 08:11.00 | babilen | tonycolin7: Does it work if you run it with search instead of versions? |
| 08:11.17 | babilen | ah, it does .. |
| 08:11.36 | tonycolin7 | how can I see it? |
| 08:11.51 | tonycolin7 | ** run it with search installed versions. |
| 08:12.11 | tonycolin7 | ii libc6 2.7-18lenny7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:12.48 | babilen | What does "dpkg -l aptitude|tail -n1" give you? |
| 08:13.08 | tonycolin7 | this |
| 08:13.09 | tonycolin7 | ii aptitude 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 terminal-based package manager |
| 08:13.48 | babilen | Ok, good. Do you have a particular reason for using lenny and not squeeze? |
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| 08:14.13 | tyhgu | hello |
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| 08:15.40 | tonycolin7 | yes. Because I tried to compile linux 3.1.0 and squeeze as dom0 + xen 4.1.1, but at booting it was really slow, actually took 3 hours and it couldn't boot |
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| 08:16.10 | tonycolin7 | just frozed at the little white circle before the login screen |
| 08:16.45 | eternity13 | why when i run bash script using: "bash ./script.sh" it says ": command not found 16:" on empty lines? |
| 08:16.58 | tonycolin7 | and... I downloaded everything with apt-get |
| 08:17.04 | tonycolin7 | and it was the same thing. |
| 08:17.24 | tonycolin7 | maybe because I had added sid in sources.list :( |
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| 08:18.13 | tonycolin7 | everything ( linux image + xen system ) |
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| 08:19.42 | babilen | Yeah, you really don't want to mix oldstable with sid -- I would actually recommend to first downgrade all packages to lenny (pin (/msg dpkg pinning) lenny to a priority 1001 and run "apt-get dist-upgrade") -- and upgrade to squeeze afterwards. (You'll have to remove the pinning for that obviously) |
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| 08:20.37 | shouso | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.38 | tonycolin7 | http://paste.debian.net/133581/ |
| 08:21.04 | tonycolin7 | you mean all the packages marked with an A ? |
| 08:21.09 | tonycolin7 | babilen: |
| 08:21.12 | shouso | #flood |
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| 08:26.23 | hatter | how do i find out the UUID of a RAID1 mdadm without using mdadm.conf ? |
| 08:26.25 | seidell | hey i just installed debian, why i dont have wireless internet? |
| 08:26.34 | seidell | network manager |
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| 08:29.26 | Bushmills | seidell: because you haven't configured it? installed possible proprietary firmware? |
| 08:29.26 | seidell | how do i get wireless internet to work on a fresh debian install |
| 08:29.37 | tonycolin7 | just a joke for everyone who wants to laugh for a second: /msg dpkg sex |
| 08:29.49 | Bushmills | you start by identifying your wlan hardware |
| 08:29.50 | seidell | how can i configure it? |
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| 08:30.06 | wols | Bushmills: he uses rt61 |
| 08:30.11 | wols | seidell: is the firmware installed? |
| 08:30.18 | seidell | no |
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| 08:30.26 | Bushmills | wols: how come you know all those things i have to ask? |
| 08:30.37 | seidell | hehe |
| 08:30.57 | josh99 | how to install vbox? i tried virtualbox package and also virtualbox-ose but all kind of errors. |
| 08:31.24 | wols | Bushmills: you need to wake up earlier. he was here a few hours ago :) |
| 08:31.27 | josh99 | i also tried the deb file from the website and it didn't work - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=70914&p=396667#p396667 |
| 08:31.37 | Bushmills | takes comfort from seeing that wols doesn't know whether firmware has been installed |
| 08:31.39 | wols | seidell: then install the firmware. as you've been told before installing debian |
| 08:32.06 | seidell | i downloaded the netinstall first but it dident found my wireless card, so i i had to installed the full cd instead, but it dident found my wireless eighter so i continued install without connect to internet |
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| 08:32.38 | wols | ,versions libqt4-network |
| 08:32.40 | judd | Package: libqt4-network on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.7.3-5; sid: 4:4.7.3-8 |
| 08:33.00 | wols | josh99: which debian version do you run? |
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| 08:33.38 | deStone | if i'm setting up server with 60k plus users - must they each have a unique UID? |
| 08:33.38 | josh99 | wols: squeeze. |
| 08:33.41 | wols | josh99: paste the content of your sources.list to a pastebin please |
| 08:33.48 | wols | deStone: no |
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| 08:34.04 | wols | deStone: they don't need to have a UID at all |
| 08:34.08 | deStone | webhosting service - using ftp - not "logging into the system" |
| 08:34.19 | seidell | how do i install firmware on the debian if i dont can access internet on it |
| 08:34.23 | josh99 | wols: http://pastebin.com/iHTuvVnA |
| 08:34.36 | deStone | wols: thanks, i appreciate quick answer |
| 08:34.48 | wols | seidell: you copy the .deb file onto a usb stick and install it from there with dpkg -i <filename> |
| 08:34.52 | Yogui | hi there, i'm trying to add an IP address to one of my servers which is inside a vlan, and the guides from my hosting company are no help |
| 08:35.13 | wols | deStone: but you didn't give enough info to answer properly in a for you useful way |
| 08:35.18 | seidell | ok, whats the command to find out my wireless cards name? |
| 08:35.34 | syserr0r | lspci ? |
| 08:35.43 | wols | josh99: your sources.list is set up very badly. you lack the debian repos. /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 08:35.51 | deStone | wols: I am not sure the purpose of the uid and if having 'users' with the same uid would cause issues... |
| 08:35.55 | wols | seidell: as I told you before: lspci -nn |
| 08:36.07 | deStone | yogui: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:36.27 | Yogui | deStone: should i paste that on oastebin? |
| 08:36.28 | syserr0r | deStone: i'm at a web hosting place also. we use the same gid for all users |
| 08:36.48 | wols | seidell: and as you've been told before, http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci#install tells you how to install it all |
| 08:37.17 | seidell | thx |
| 08:37.33 | wols | seidell: I suggest you download firmware-ralink wireless-tools from packages.debian.org |
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| 08:37.50 | josh99 | wols: i read the tips about it and now reading the man page. where can i find good sources.list sample? |
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| 08:38.15 | wols | seidell: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ralink |
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| 08:38.21 | wols | josh99: dpkg just sent you one |
| 08:38.50 | wols | josh99: that is if you followed what I told you |
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| 08:39.11 | ompaul | josh99: in the line of text that dpkg sent there are " in between those " and you want to add in contrib non-free from the way the rest of your stuff is set up |
| 08:39.34 | wols | !tell josh99 about squeeze sources.list |
| 08:39.40 | seidell | wols: should i choose .dsc or the tar.gz file to download? |
| 08:40.04 | wols | seidell: neither. you should download the .deb file for i386 |
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| 08:40.22 | wols | seidell: or in this case the "all" one. down. not on the right side |
| 08:40.28 | seidell | there is no deb file on that last link u gave me |
| 08:40.28 | mark76 | Is it git pull or pull git? |
| 08:40.34 | seidell | oh ok |
| 08:40.43 | wols | seidell: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-ralink/download |
| 08:40.44 | josh99 | wols: it was not clear from the text. it say : sources.list has lines like x and y... |
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| 08:41.00 | wols | josh99: yes it does. lines you can exactly use if you want to |
| 08:41.31 | wols | mark76: do you have a git client which is named "pull"? |
| 08:41.39 | tonycolin7 | !tell ompaul about contrib |
| 08:41.43 | Yogui | deStone: here are my interfaces http://pastebin.com/5LBnb7YG and the results from ifconfig afterwards http://pastebin.com/TmwSpgdg |
| 08:41.47 | mark76 | I don't know. I can't get it to work |
| 08:41.54 | mark76 | http://rox.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=rox/Media;a=summary |
| 08:42.01 | wols | tonycolin7: why did you do that? |
| 08:42.16 | mark76 | None of it makes any sense |
| 08:42.21 | tonycolin7 | wols: for him to see what contrib is about |
| 08:42.30 | mark76 | commit? commitdiff? tree? |
| 08:42.44 | wols | tonycolin7: trust me he knows. and you need to read more carefully |
| 08:43.00 | tonycolin7 | ok, sorry |
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| 08:43.34 | tonycolin7 | it was for josh99, sorry |
| 08:43.53 | wols | tonycolin7: any special reason you try to download rox via git? |
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| 08:44.34 | wols | tonycolin7: bad tab, sorry |
| 08:44.43 | wols | mark76: any special reason you try to download rox via git? |
| 08:44.47 | mark76 | Because that's all that's available |
| 08:44.59 | wols | mark76: it should be in debian already |
| 08:45.01 | tonycolin7 | wols: never mind |
| 08:45.06 | josh99 | wols: ompaul ok. i changed my sources. i'll do update and try installing vbox again. thanks! |
| 08:45.11 | mark76 | rox-media isn't |
| 08:46.08 | mark76 | Subversion is so much easier. Why are people switching to something as obtuse as git? |
| 08:46.26 | mark76 | I don't even know which link to use |
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| 08:46.50 | seidell | wols: i have installed the firmware now, i logged out and in but the internet still doesent work |
| 08:46.57 | wols | mark76: the command would be "git" of course, not "pull" btw |
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| 08:47.10 | mark76 | But which link? |
| 08:47.15 | mark76 | None of them work |
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| 08:47.57 | wols | seidell: have you removed the rt61 or rt61pci module from your kernel and then loaded it again? |
| 08:48.16 | somiaj | seidell: you have to rmmod and then modprobe your ethernet module (or reboot) |
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| 08:48.46 | somiaj | though dont' reboot if you can help it...bad suggestion. (: |
| 08:48.53 | mark76 | git http://rox.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=rox/Media;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master |
| 08:49.08 | mark76 | git: 'http://rox.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=rox/Media' is not a git command. See 'git --help' |
| 08:49.22 | mark76 | That's one |
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| 08:50.00 | seidell | wols, no i dont know how.. |
| 08:50.01 | mark76 | git http://rox.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=rox/Media;a=commit;h=a43653afe84c1923da7db42cc5351d2c118ecb6e |
| 08:50.17 | seidell | somiaj: i already rebooted, vefore u told me not to |
| 08:50.20 | mark76 | git: 'http://rox.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=rox/Media' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. Two |
| 08:50.29 | somiaj | seidell: use the 'rmmod' and 'modprobe' command to remove and install modules |
| 08:50.48 | somiaj | seidell: type 'dmesg' look though the out put, see your ethernet modules rt61 saying anything? |
| 08:50.57 | wols | mark76: please read http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=git&group_id=7023 about "git Access" to see what you did wrong |
| 08:51.17 | wols | mark76: ie why your URLs aren't working |
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| 08:52.26 | seidell | somiaj: rmmod and modprobe doesent work, i just get command not found |
| 08:52.38 | wols | seidell: are you root? |
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| 08:53.28 | seidell | wols: no |
| 08:53.28 | wols | mark76: I would replace the last "rox" there with "Media" and try that |
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| 08:53.38 | wols | seidell: that's why you get command not found |
| 08:53.45 | seidell | ahh |
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| 08:54.08 | eternity13 | why when i run bash script using: "bash ./script.sh" it says ": command not found 16:" on empty lines? |
| 08:54.18 | mark76 | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `read-only' |
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| 08:54.45 | Yogui | deStone: what i'm worried about is the second line from /etc/init.d/networking restart, and the alias doesn't show up in dmesg |
| 08:55.07 | seidell | what should i do after typing rrmod and modprobe? |
| 08:55.18 | wols | mark76: just because it's written there, you don't have to type it. it's a read only git repo obviously. you can't expect to be able to write to it, can you? |
| 08:55.21 | seidell | somiaj |
| 08:55.24 | mark76 | Git is rubbish. Or Houghton's rubbish at git |
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| 08:55.52 | seidell | somiaj: and the dmesg command dont show my card |
| 08:55.55 | wols | mark76: *sigh*. it might be better if you do this on your own I guess |
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| 08:56.12 | wols | seidell: what exact commands for rmmod and modprobe did you write? |
| 08:56.29 | wols | seidell: note that both of them need options to work as intended |
| 08:56.47 | mark76 | Just tell me what the link is |
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| 08:56.50 | seidell | wols: just 'rmmod' and modprobe |
| 08:56.52 | mark76 | I can't see it |
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| 08:58.51 | seidell | wols: what more am i supposed to write? and what is this for? i have already installed the firmware .deb file with dpkg -i |
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| 09:00.46 | wols | you need to reload the driver since when it loaded before, there was no firmware present it could load. so now you remove it and load it again so this time the firmware gets loaded too |
| 09:01.54 | seidell | wols but what should i write? |
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| 09:03.34 | wols | seidell: what is the module name for your wlan chip? "lsmod" will tell you |
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| 09:13.51 | seidell | wols what should i look for in that list? |
| 09:14.46 | wols | for your wlan module's name. it should be fairly obvious |
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| 09:15.34 | seidell | wols: it is not showing wlan.. |
| 09:16.34 | seidell | rt61pci ? |
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| 09:17.21 | seidell | rt2x00lib 3741 2 rt61cpi,rt2x00pci |
| 09:17.26 | seidell | wols: this? ^ |
| 09:18.00 | wols | yes rt61pci is the module to unload and then reload |
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| 09:18.22 | seidell | whats the command for unload and reload? |
| 09:18.50 | wols | rmmod and modprobe as you've been told. start with man rmmod |
| 09:19.02 | babilen | seidell: "modprobe -r MODULE ; modprobe MODULE" |
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| 09:20.44 | seidell | babilen: i get "rmmod invalid option -- 'r' |
| 09:20.59 | seidell | oh modprobe |
| 09:21.04 | babilen | seidell: yes ;) |
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| 09:22.17 | seidell | babilen now restart? |
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| 09:24.09 | babilen | seidell: I wouldn't think that this is necessary |
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| 09:24.32 | seidell | babilen but internet is not working, and i dont see network manager |
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| 09:25.46 | mah454 | have linux GUI L2TP client ? |
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| 09:26.20 | babilen | seidell: Ok, you've installed the firmware didn't you? Do you have network access on the box in question right now? |
| 09:26.59 | seidell | babilen: yes i did, no i dont have internet access |
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| 09:27.48 | seidell | babilen: i dont even have network manager (the app like on ubuntu in right corner that u press on the networks aviable to connect) |
| 09:27.52 | Yogui | i'm looking for help to set up an interface alias on a vlan |
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| 09:29.11 | babilen | seidell: Ok, when you run "modprobe -r rt61pci ; modprobe rt61pci ; dmesg | tail -n 20" do you see any errors regarding firmware? Do you see messages that confirm that the firmware is loaded? Is an interface with wireless extensions listed when you run "iwconfig" ? If so, which one is it? Can you see wireless networks when you run "iwlist IFACE scan" (replace IFACE with the name of your wireless interface) |
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| 09:30.24 | seidell | babilen: "modprobe -r rt61pci ; modprobe rt61pci ; dmesg | tail -n 20" all at once in one command? |
| 09:31.01 | babilen | yes (I wouldn't have written it that way otherwise, but you *can* also break it down) |
| 09:31.26 | seidell | no none error |
| 09:31.41 | babilen | good |
| 09:32.15 | seidell | babilen yes btw.2 phy0 errors saying "indirect register access failed" |
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| 09:33.35 | babilen | hmm, haven't seen that before. Is that the exact error message? But pray continue ... Do you have a way to connect your box to ethernet? |
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| 09:33.54 | mah454 | debian have not /dev/ram files ! |
| 09:34.00 | mah454 | I need it ... |
| 09:34.27 | seidell | and iwconfig says no such command |
| 09:34.27 | seidell | no |
| 09:34.27 | seidell | it says "bash: iwconfig: command not found" the same with iwlist IFACE scan |
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| 09:35.17 | babilen | seidell: Do you run those commands as root? |
| 09:35.50 | seidell | babilen i tried both |
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| 09:37.29 | wols | seidell: apt-get install wireless-tools wpasupplicant both are on your CD1 |
| 09:37.35 | babilen | seidell: Is the wireless-tools package installed? |
| 09:37.41 | wols | then you should have iwconfig when you run as root |
| 09:37.56 | babilen | yeah |
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| 09:38.52 | seidell | i installed by usb. its asking to put inside the cd... is there a way to load the usb instead? |
| 09:39.16 | seidell | or do i have to burn an cd? |
| 09:39.58 | babilen | brb |
| 09:40.25 | ompaul | put the usb in the same port |
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| 09:40.57 | seidell | the same port as /media/cdrom/ ? lol |
| 09:40.58 | ompaul | seidell: so are you saying that you put all the effort in of trying to install without being connected to the internet |
| 09:41.30 | seidell | i have installed |
| 09:41.36 | ompaul | seidell: you do know if you had installed on a bit of wire you would have been up and running and having a great time with your new debian system instead of trying to get one to work |
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| 09:43.22 | seidell | but wireless is not working |
| 09:43.22 | seidell | on a bit of wire? what do you mean |
| 09:43.22 | seidell | ompaul |
| 09:43.48 | seidell | btw burning an cd now.. |
| 09:44.21 | ompaul | seidell: if you used the network card on the box when you installed you would have a working system in less than an hour and a half all in |
| 09:44.51 | hatter | what is the best way to have a vpn across multiple machines at different locations ? |
| 09:44.52 | seidell | ompaul well i dont have wired internet |
| 09:46.00 | ompaul | hatter: OpenVPN is great |
| 09:46.20 | ompaul | hatter: have one server central point which is up 24/7 and use it as the hub |
| 09:46.26 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.36 | hatter | ompaul, i like openvpn, have you made a vpn to multiple machines ? |
| 09:46.49 | ompaul | yes multiple sites with routing |
| 09:47.00 | ompaul | just followed the howto on their sites |
| 09:47.04 | ompaul | just followed the howto on their site |
| 09:47.08 | ompaul | openvpn's that is |
| 09:47.12 | hatter | ompaul, i currently have 20 odd machines which are servers |
| 09:47.27 | ompaul | hatter: and they are in one building or what |
| 09:47.33 | hatter | no on the net |
| 09:47.48 | hatter | so i am thinking of one machine that can connect to all of them |
| 09:47.50 | ompaul | hatter: and their functions? |
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| 09:48.13 | hatter | they are small business servers, they also allow vpn into them for road warriors |
| 09:48.35 | hatter | they are all debian lenny |
| 09:48.42 | hatter | at the moment |
| 09:49.29 | hatter | maybe it is easier to use something like fuse |
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| 09:51.38 | ompaul | hatter: do you offer 24/7 monitoring? |
| 09:51.46 | mah454 | How can i make /dev/ram* in Debian ? I compiled New Kernel (2.6.37.6) and enabled ram on this but by default have not it ! |
| 09:51.56 | hatter | ompaul, i would like to |
| 09:52.10 | ompaul | hatter: fuse ... for whattttttttttttttttttttttttt, please put down the crack pipe ;-) |
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| 09:52.18 | ompaul | so use an expression |
| 09:53.05 | ompaul | hatter: do this, you pick your main box on your own site, you set it up as a vpn server you generate keys for all of the sites, that way you can revoke them when they don't pay or whatever they give the contract to someone else etc |
| 09:53.07 | unforgiven512 | I seem to be missing the header files in /usr/include/asm/* |
| 09:53.17 | unforgiven512 | And, I have the respective packages installed. |
| 09:53.39 | unforgiven512 | And this is causing me to be unable to build certain things (namely Android distributions) |
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| 09:53.52 | unforgiven512 | I'm running Debian testing, amd64 |
| 09:54.07 | hatter | ompaul, yeah that sounds good, and a server can also be a client ? |
| 09:54.41 | ompaul | hatter: eh, you want the control to be on your site, yes it can but if you want to do that I strongly suggest you use a different port than normal |
| 09:55.06 | ompaul | hatter: you really want a single box which is the connection point for all these |
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| 09:55.22 | ompaul | if you want to do production correctly even if they are just vms etc |
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| 09:55.33 | hatter | ompaul, yes i agree. all these servers also provide vpn in from road warriors |
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| 09:55.58 | ompaul | hatter: road warrior should never touch your box |
| 09:56.01 | ompaul | only their servers |
| 09:56.29 | ompaul | hatter: however if you find that too much fun, you could just run ssh back to base |
| 09:56.31 | hatter | ompaul, yes, road warriors are for the individual servers which are all non related to each other |
| 09:57.01 | ompaul | or better run it forward from your own base |
| 09:57.08 | ompaul | out to clients |
| 09:57.10 | ompaul | all the time |
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| 09:57.40 | hatter | yes its all ssh at the moment |
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| 09:58.14 | ompaul | hatter: and what extra services would a vpn allow you to run |
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| 09:58.33 | ompaul | hatter: and what about the overhead of not routing between them all |
| 09:58.41 | ompaul | etc etc etc |
| 09:59.08 | hatter | ompaul, yes these questions are why i am thinking out loud |
| 09:59.10 | ompaul | hatter: these are the considerations you might want to look at. |
| 09:59.31 | seidell | wols, babilen: i have burnt an cd now, but the terminal still keeps asking me to put the cd inside when its inside:S |
| 09:59.33 | ompaul | hatter: well write it down on paper on some electronic medium other than irc and see if you want to |
| 09:59.45 | hatter | ompaul, yes thanks for your input |
| 10:00.13 | ompaul | hatter: from what you say you have not offered me a compelling reason to use a vpn |
| 10:00.27 | hatter | ompaul, i agree |
| 10:00.31 | ompaul | I use it for many to router to other site to router to many |
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| 10:01.09 | seidell | is there any way to download wireless-tools and wpasupplicant and install them manualy? |
| 10:01.09 | hatter | ompaul, for proxy ? |
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| 10:03.29 | ompaul | hatter: my setup is, one company, one mail server and central services are run from base, the sub offices openvpn back but all talk through their own proxies to the internet so they route traffic over their own routers to the outside their own local proxies to the outside and so on |
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| 10:04.14 | seidell | where can i download "wireless-tools" to install them on another pc? |
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| 10:04.43 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 10:04.43 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 10:04.47 | valdyn | seidell: ^^ |
| 10:05.13 | seidell | is this the right one? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wireless-tools |
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| 10:08.34 | wols | seidell: yes. however you already have that package on your cd. no need to download. |
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| 10:09.20 | wols | seidell: and with wpasupplicant you will have big problems with simply downloading it sinec it has several dependencies which need to be met |
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| 10:09.55 | seidell | wols: it dident work, i have burnt an cd, but the terminal still keeps asking me to put the cd inside when its inside |
| 10:09.55 | seidell | whats the command to install deb files again? |
| 10:10.29 | seidell | i dont need wpa |
| 10:10.33 | seidell | my network is open |
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| 10:11.25 | seidell | whats wrong with my usb? "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1" |
| 10:11.43 | wols | dpkg -i |
| 10:11.43 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, wols |
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| 10:13.34 | aypea[2] | <whinge>it's really annoying that squeeze doesn't have a gdisk that block aligns</whinge> |
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| 10:14.26 | ompaul | aypea[2]: that is more of a <whine> really |
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| 10:14.59 | aypea[2] | nonono. it's a whinge :) |
| 10:16.01 | ompaul | aypea[2]: trust me, a whinge is what happens when you rm your photos dir rather than backing them up |
| 10:16.26 | aypea[2] | no. that's a profanity :) |
| 10:16.32 | seidell | anybody? |
| 10:16.53 | ompaul | !anyone |
| 10:16.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 10:16.55 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 10:18.12 | seidell | whats wrong with my usb? "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1" |
| 10:18.14 | seidell | it worked before today |
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| 10:20.24 | seidell | this is so annoying |
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| 10:21.02 | photon | hi. how can I figure out on what DVD a given package is? |
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| 10:21.13 | photon | I don't want to download them all. |
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| 10:23.20 | ompaul | photon: why not get it from http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/ |
| 10:23.52 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i'm having an issue with my debian server. i have a very hing upload speed. |
| 10:24.00 | ws2k3 | traffic what i cannot identify |
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| 10:24.22 | ws2k3 | so i taked a look using iptraf -s eth0. and it seems i have a very high upload speed at UDP/80. |
| 10:24.39 | ws2k3 | somebody any idea what this can be? or how to solve? |
| 10:25.07 | p0g0 | ws2k3: wireshark will show you the outbound packets. |
| 10:26.03 | ws2k3 | p0g0 can i also use tcpdump? |
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| 10:26.11 | ws2k3 | or do you advice wireshark? |
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| 10:26.24 | p0g0 | ws2k3: are you intentionally running a web server? Yes tcpdump too, if you prefer. |
| 10:26.36 | ws2k3 | yeah i run a webn server |
| 10:26.37 | photon | does tcpdump show udp? |
| 10:26.50 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
| 10:27.00 | ws2k3 | i run a apache2 with some php scripts. |
| 10:27.02 | p0g0 | photon: nor I, I'm a wireshark fan. |
| 10:27.22 | ws2k3 | well i dont know anything about wireshark of tcpdump |
| 10:27.30 | ws2k3 | or how to use but tcpdump i already have installeds |
| 10:27.33 | ws2k3 | installed* |
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| 10:28.31 | p0g0 | ws2k3: your apache logs may give you insight as well, but if you are running a web server and you have clients on the web, a high upload speed is no surprise. |
| 10:29.18 | ws2k3 | yes it is. because its only one simple script. |
| 10:29.24 | ws2k3 | and i maby have 2 visitors a hour |
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| 10:29.35 | ws2k3 | here is a dump of tcpdump |
| 10:29.37 | alex-- | What are the main differences between Cent-OS and Debian? |
| 10:29.42 | ws2k3 | there are things that look very suspisios |
| 10:29.43 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/1s8MXVSD |
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| 10:29.54 | ws2k3 | alex its another disco. |
| 10:30.00 | ws2k3 | distro* |
| 10:30.12 | hatter | disco... lol |
| 10:30.26 | ws2k3 | if u wanne use a linux distro for a server u can take debian or centos. |
| 10:30.31 | ws2k3 | both are good. |
| 10:30.45 | ws2k3 | i prefer debian. but its just what u prefer |
| 10:31.08 | alex-- | Hmm, there is a control panel I like, but that only runs on Cent-OS. |
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| 10:31.37 | alex-- | I always worked with Ubuntu as a desktop OS, so I think Debian would be the best choice for me, but i'm not completely sure. |
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| 10:32.18 | ws2k3 | so somebody any advice about my tcpdump |
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| 10:33.21 | ws2k3 | p0g0: ? |
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| 10:34.28 | p0g0 | ws2k3: you have a lot more than 2 clients per hour, you have a lot of outbound packets sent to .pl, .ru and elsewhere, if that makes sense. Wireshark will show you the contents of the packets, not just their length and type. |
| 10:35.43 | p0g0 | ws2k3: but I have no idea if that is legitimate traffic. You could try stopping apache and see if you continue to send a lot of packets (that would likely be bad). |
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| 10:36.31 | seidell | i totaly uinstall debian |
| 10:36.38 | alex-- | Cent-OS = linux ? |
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| 10:36.50 | ws2k3 | alex yeah |
| 10:37.19 | ws2k3 | p0g0 its no legitimiate traffic |
| 10:38.43 | ws2k3 | when i stop apache2 is continues. |
| 10:39.07 | ws2k3 | but with iptraf -s eth0 i saw that its traffic on port 80 UDP and outgoing |
| 10:39.43 | p0g0 | ws2k3: if it's not apache sourcing the packets, you'd do well to sort out what is sending them. You might start killing suspicious processes while watching the outbound traffic. |
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| 10:40.46 | ws2k3 | thats the point i dont have any suspisui processes |
| 10:40.48 | ws2k3 | i already checked |
| 10:41.45 | p0g0 | ws2k3: do you know what a root kit is? You might want to check and see if you have been rooted on the server. |
| 10:42.04 | ws2k3 | i have heard of the term rootkit |
| 10:42.08 | ws2k3 | but i dont know what it is |
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| 10:43.44 | p0g0 | ws2k3: google is your friend, there are root kit hunters you can try, you may want to boot from another (clean) device (like a live CD) to do the checking. |
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| 10:44.39 | wols | ws2k3: what exactly do iptraf and netstat tell you? |
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| 10:45.03 | p0g0 | ws2k3: but I don't know what's really going on with your server. As I said, wireshark will show you the contents of the packets, not just their nature and destination. |
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| 10:45.29 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.33 | wols | and tashrk for text mode |
| 10:45.43 | ws2k3 | this is a couple of seconds iptraf -s eth0 |
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| 10:46.03 | wols | ws2k3: nestat -anp |grep 80 |
| 10:46.16 | wols | *netstat |
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| 10:46.21 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:47.12 | alex-- | How much resources does a base Debian system needs? |
| 10:47.36 | ws2k3 | wols i get an entire list |
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| 10:47.45 | ws2k3 | of scripts that are running but not port 80 is it it |
| 10:48.05 | ompaul | alex--: wrong way to do it, give it many gigs at least 10 so you can have some flexible |
| 10:48.06 | wols | ws2k3: you make no sense |
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| 10:48.43 | ompaul | alex--: I give full machines to debian there is enough to do that it keeps me busy no microsoft |
| 10:51.34 | hatter | ompaul, oh you are so lucky |
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| 10:51.47 | p0g0 | ws2k3: gl, I gotta go. bbl. |
| 10:51.47 | ompaul | hatter: that is my home |
| 10:52.05 | ompaul | work there is about 5% microsoft |
| 10:52.14 | hatter | ompaul, i am looking forward to a no ms life one day |
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| 11:26.47 | hyper_ch | hi there, I just did a new install of squeeze and I noticed, the shell does not colour files and folders |
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| 11:27.02 | hyper_ch | in the .bashrc it all seems fine and when I run ls --color=auto it will mark them |
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| 11:43.29 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'd like to buy a new laptop to put Debian on it. Any recommandation ? |
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| 11:59.18 | alex-- | Ehm, while kernel.org is down for maintenance, I can't get Debian updates anymore.. |
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| 12:10.34 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've a problem removing postfix from my system - when i try $apt-get remove postfix; i get an error that tells me that apt was not able to configure exim4-daemon-light --> can i somehow tell apt that it only has to remove postfix without installing other packages ?? |
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| 12:16.02 | xand | rocketmagnet: you do need to have some MTA |
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| 12:16.30 | rocketmagnet | xand: can i use postfix also to fetch mails or only to send them? |
| 12:16.44 | xand | to fetch them? from where? |
| 12:17.18 | rocketmagnet | i want to use one programm to fetch mail from my POP3 server, then use spamassassin and clamav, and then use sendmail/postfix to send mail from within thunderbird (the outgoing mails should be signed with my gpg key) |
| 12:17.38 | rocketmagnet | so thunderbird should be my mail application and fetchmail/postfix should work in the background |
| 12:17.56 | rocketmagnet | i think this configuration is nothing new - do you know a good tutorial telling me how to do this ? |
| 12:18.15 | marsfligth | Please, how to resume from 'hibernation' or 'suspend' status pressing the 'usb keyboard' instead of press the computer power button? |
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| 12:44.06 | Dulcin | Hi, I'm wondering: If I want my webserver to only send mailings through PHP - nothing else, no receiving or sending other mail. Should I set it up as a 'null client' and do I need any SASL settings applied after that to make it secure, or is the null client setup secure enough? |
| 12:44.28 | Dulcin | using postfix* I'm very new to this, so if my question doesn't make any sense, please let me know :) |
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| 12:58.56 | Pleomax | hello .. can someone help me installing idjc under LMDE .. i get some weird errors about some files being deprecated, no title, no author |
| 12:59.15 | wols | !tell Pleomax about ask |
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| 13:00.41 | Pleomax | i have a proble installing idjc |
| 13:00.45 | Pleomax | i run |
| 13:00.50 | Pleomax | System: Host extensa-5230e Kernel 3.0.0-1-486 i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint Debian Edition |
| 13:01.07 | Pleomax | when i try to make i get the following errors |
| 13:01.22 | Pleomax | avcodecdecode.c:292:4: warning: ‘AVMetadata’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/libavutil/dict.h:41) [-Wdeprecated-declarations] |
| 13:01.22 | Pleomax | avcodecdecode.c:293:4: warning: ‘AVMetadataTag’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/libavutil/dict.h:36) [-Wdeprecated-declarations] |
| 13:01.22 | Pleomax | avcodecdecode.c:298:4: warning: ‘av_open_input_file’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/libavformat/avformat.h:1090) [-Wdeprecated-declarations] |
| 13:01.22 | Pleomax | avcodecdecode.c:305:10: warning: ‘av_metadata_get’ is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/libavformat/avformat.h:145) [-Wdeprecated-declarations] |
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| 13:01.48 | jelly-home | Pleomax: we can't help you with Mint-specific packaging mix problems. |
| 13:02.00 | jelly-home | !mint |
| 13:02.00 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 13:02.46 | Pleomax | lmde it`s based on debian .. has nothing to do with ubuntu |
| 13:03.00 | Pleomax | i think the error i get it`s a known bug in debian also |
| 13:03.27 | jelly-home | Exactly. It's based on Debian, with additions. This makes the set of packages you use unknown to us. |
| 13:04.03 | jelly-home | if you can reproduce the issue starting from a Debian installation, then you'll be sure it's a Debian bug |
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| 13:04.16 | Pleomax | it is a debian bug |
| 13:04.22 | Pleomax | avcodecdecode.c:235:33: error: ‘CODEC_TYPE_AUDIO’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 13:04.33 | Pleomax | deprecated declarations |
| 13:04.33 | jelly-home | also, use a pastebin |
| 13:04.44 | Pleomax | ok jelly |
| 13:04.53 | Pleomax | i`ll give ya the link in right about 30 secs |
| 13:05.52 | jelly-home | I'm not goint to spend time hunting to see whether you're using ffmpeg sources and headers from Debian or some other source, sorry |
| 13:06.06 | Pleomax | http://pastebin.com/DJ5F1J3z |
| 13:07.03 | Pleomax | can u at least pls take a look at it ? |
| 13:08.01 | jelly-home | the simplest thing to do is find where that symbol is defined and either figure out why ./configure failed to use correct headers, or add the appropriate #include manually |
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| 13:09.16 | jelly-home | or google for "error: ‘CODEC_TYPE_AUDIO’ undeclared " |
| 13:09.36 | Pleomax | k thanks |
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| 13:09.58 | jelly-home | http://bugs.debian.org/623682 might be relevant |
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| 13:28.19 | Barthalion | Anyone get Debian running on Wyse 9150se? |
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| 13:32.08 | martianlobster | could someone remind me how to egrep for the - sign in a file? I thought it was something like egrep -- foo, but that isn't working |
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| 13:36.04 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 13:37.54 | llutz | martianlobster: '\-' |
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| 14:02.31 | chriswaterguy | Looking for advice on headsets... what do you do if your laptop only has one plug for a headset? |
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| 14:03.48 | petemc | chriswaterguy: and you want to use more than one? you can get adapters cheaply that split it to two 3.5mm jacks |
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| 14:08.51 | chriswaterguy | petemc: ok, thanks.. And that should work fine for Skype* or whatever? (*I know Skype's evil, but it's that or long-distance calls) |
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| 14:09.33 | chriswaterguy | I went out and bought USB headphones, which have been a pain - got them working with help from here, and now they're not working again. |
| 14:10.58 | petemc | i was really only walking about sound out, not sound in |
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| 14:11.28 | chriswaterguy | petemc: ah... yes, definitely looking to get sound in. |
| 14:11.47 | chriswaterguy | I've heard of people using Skype on netbooks with just the one plug. |
| 14:12.30 | petemc | when you say plug, what do you mean? |
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| 14:14.19 | chriswaterguy | I mean it just has the one hole. |
| 14:14.36 | chriswaterguy | where normally a headset has the two, er... pins? |
| 14:14.44 | chriswaterguy | the size is right, but there's only one. |
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| 14:15.07 | chriswaterguy | So... two pins, one hole. |
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| 14:16.09 | daemonkeeper | If you wouldn't have started your explanation with "netbook", one might think you are talking about something pervert. |
| 14:16.43 | ring0 | :) |
| 14:17.23 | chriswaterguy | :-D |
| 14:17.43 | chriswaterguy | I can talk about that too, but not on this channel. |
| 14:18.13 | daemonkeeper | Good boy. |
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| 14:24.03 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 14:24.33 | kristian-aalborg | linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-27_i386.deb AND linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-27_i386.deb <--- I have these two, can't remember the name of the last one I need... |
| 14:25.00 | dvs | linux-source is not really needed, is it? |
| 14:25.31 | kristian-aalborg | ah, that's it yes... I will try without it |
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| 14:27.24 | kristian-aalborg | dependency hell seems to be all the rage :/ |
| 14:28.42 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:28.50 | kristian-aalborg | squeeze |
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| 14:29.01 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: they are not the kernels for squeeze |
| 14:29.20 | ompaul | ,version kernels |
| 14:29.21 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 14:29.26 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, I tried the 2.6.38 and 39 kernels |
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| 14:29.38 | ompaul | 32 is the right kernel for squeeze |
| 14:29.43 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 14:29.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 14:29.56 | kristian-aalborg | via backports.... no workie |
| 14:30.04 | ompaul | dvs: my brain does not work thank you |
| 14:30.10 | dvs | kristian-aalborg: works for me. |
| 14:30.14 | dvs | ompaul: np |
| 14:30.16 | ompaul | dpkg-reconfigure brain |
| 14:30.26 | kristian-aalborg | dvs, congratulations :p |
| 14:30.30 | dvs | dpkg install brain |
| 14:30.30 | dpkg | dvs: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:30.38 | kristian-aalborg | sorry ;) |
| 14:31.07 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: it "works for me" where I installed it, so there is something else wrong or not? |
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| 14:32.02 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, I don't know... I'm trying to figure it out |
| 14:32.33 | kristian-aalborg | I get the DRDY errors a lot, and frozen machine on video playback |
| 14:32.35 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: shall we start at the beginning, what is it you are trying to achieve, an |
| 14:33.07 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: pastebin your /etc/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:33.14 | kristian-aalborg | so my first try is to get another kernel running as the former of those problems should relate to that |
| 14:33.22 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, no prob |
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| 14:35.03 | kristian-aalborg | http://paste.debian.net/133637/ here |
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| 14:36.41 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: given what I see there, please run the following commands. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade when you are finished please come back to me |
| 14:37.24 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, hurm, dist-upgrade will bring me where? |
| 14:37.30 | kristian-aalborg | to sid...? |
| 14:38.05 | kristian-aalborg | also, installed via netinstall yesterday... my previous installation (also squeeze) did not seem to have these problems |
| 14:38.15 | dvs | kristian-aalborg: No, to squeeze with that sources.list |
| 14:38.22 | kristian-aalborg | ah |
| 14:38.44 | kristian-aalborg | but... won't the software be less stable than the squeeze stuff? |
| 14:38.47 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: your sources point to some kind of insane beta so I want to make sure you are running squeeze |
| 14:39.00 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, insane beta? |
| 14:39.09 | kristian-aalborg | what part of it...? |
| 14:39.11 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: please do what you were asked and you will be running squeeze up to date and therefore stable |
| 14:39.29 | ompaul | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux squeeze-di-beta1 _Squeeze_ - Official Beta i386 NETINST Binary-1 20101027 |
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| 14:41.19 | kristian-aalborg | ah, I'd not noticed that.... I like to know what it is I am doing before I do anything serious... I think most of you are the same way |
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| 14:42.09 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: ok, you are running not squeeze if you want to run squeeze you do what I said, until you do I have no interest in your not working software |
| 14:42.31 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: you are what I define as working while broken - not a good condition please update upgrade and get stable |
| 14:42.50 | a-l-e_ | however: since i can't test it, i have to ask: can i use pitivi to put 4 video tracks side by side in one movie? |
| 14:42.54 | dvs | goes unstabel |
| 14:43.08 | thewanderer1 | pokes dvs and watches him explode |
| 14:43.26 | a-l-e_ | ooops... wrong channel... |
| 14:43.29 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: just fyi I run SID and Stable and other things as well have fun, when you have your several hundred megs of updates done :) |
| 14:43.40 | a-l-e_ | !audio |
| 14:43.40 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>. |
| 14:43.50 | a-l-e_ | !alsa checklist |
| 14:43.50 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 14:46.21 | a-l-e_ | mmm... what's point 6/ of the alsa checklist? |
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| 14:46.31 | a-l-e_ | modprobe snd-cpm-oss |
| 14:46.47 | a-l-e_ | ... if i type it as sudo, i don't get any output... |
| 14:46.50 | a-l-e_ | and now? |
| 14:46.53 | dvs | a-l-e_: OSS backward compatibility |
| 14:47.12 | dvs | a-l-e_: if you got no output, it was successful. |
| 14:47.30 | a-l-e_ | ok |
| 14:47.34 | a-l-e_ | thanks |
| 14:47.57 | a-l-e_ | pitivi still does not work... but i think that i have to look elswhere... |
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| 15:00.29 | dreamer | hi all, how can I set the default sound device in alsa? I have two soundcards in this machine but just now the wrong device was set |
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| 15:03.44 | kristian-aalborg | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing |
| 15:04.28 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: when was the last time you did that? |
| 15:04.47 | kristian-aalborg | 5 seconds ago :) |
| 15:04.57 | ompaul | previous to that |
| 15:05.15 | kristian-aalborg | never, installed yesterday... did an aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 15:05.55 | ompaul | hang on a sec |
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| 15:07.06 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: please paste the last line of output from what I gave you to do in channel (only one line) thanks |
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| 15:08.28 | wols | dreamer: http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards |
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| 15:11.02 | kristian-aalborg | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:11.13 | dreamer | wols: |
| 15:11.16 | dreamer | thnx |
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| 15:11.34 | dreamer | luckily xbmc can be told to use the right soundcare, so first breakfast with dr who ;) |
| 15:12.04 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: and tail -n1 /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:14.06 | kristian-aalborg | 2011-10-02 16:52:58 status not-installed linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 <none> |
| 15:14.33 | kristian-aalborg | that's the "wrong" kernel that I tried installing |
| 15:14.34 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: so the question that arrises is why - because that package is lenny |
| 15:15.09 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: pastebin the file please in the pastebin |
| 15:15.25 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: what does uname -a give you now |
| 15:16.07 | kristian-aalborg | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 15:16.19 | ompaul | so that is a newer kernel than you tried to install |
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| 15:17.00 | kristian-aalborg | yes, it's the one that got installed by default |
| 15:17.05 | kristian-aalborg | I just wanted another kernel |
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| 15:17.40 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: why? |
| 15:18.25 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: you have backports under your name in the file hashed out, curious what you did there |
| 15:19.45 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, I tried to update the kernel, but I got dependency errors |
| 15:19.56 | kristian-aalborg | should I uncomment and do dist-upgrade? |
| 15:20.06 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: hang on |
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| 15:21.07 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: if you upgrade a single package or two using backports (which in spite of their name come from the future ;-)) you may be able to go backwards |
| 15:21.18 | ompaul | with those packages |
| 15:21.30 | ompaul | however there is no real facility to downgrade if you grabbed lots of stuff |
| 15:21.48 | kristian-aalborg | I have nothing from backports right now |
| 15:22.00 | ompaul | so then why would you enable it? |
| 15:22.11 | ompaul | there is no reason to, let us make that a moot point |
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| 15:23.39 | kristian-aalborg | I enabled it to get an alternative kernel, to see if my woes came from the kernel |
| 15:23.57 | ompaul | did you upload that file yet? |
| 15:24.13 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: I see something very wrong in your sources list |
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| 15:24.59 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, what's wrong there? |
| 15:25.00 | ompaul | no I don't I'm getting ole |
| 15:25.02 | ompaul | old |
| 15:25.12 | kristian-aalborg | and, what file do you want me to upload? |
| 15:26.30 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:26.36 | kristian-aalborg | ah |
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| 15:31.24 | Exhalted | Hey guyz |
| 15:31.41 | Exhalted | I'm switching back from Fedora to Debian, I'm tired of it |
| 15:32.00 | Exhalted | I have a bunch of dvds I've burned but none of them seem to be bootable. How are you supposed to install it? |
| 15:32.19 | babilen | Exhalted: Do you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation? |
| 15:32.20 | ompaul | Exhalted: you got a usb stick handy? |
| 15:32.33 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/mF4zZxvZ |
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| 15:33.05 | Exhalted | yes and yes |
| 15:33.12 | kristian-aalborg | that's dpkg.log |
| 15:33.57 | Exhalted | hm I can't seem to get this file to stop replicating on my usb drive after I delete it |
| 15:34.07 | Exhalted | Disinfector Pro32.exe and Disinfector Pro32.exe.exe |
| 15:34.14 | babilen | Exhalted: I would recommend the netinstall images in that case, which will download all additional packages that are needed during the installation. There are those without firmware (/msg dpkg netinstall) and those with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
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| 15:34.28 | Exhalted | hey babilen |
| 15:34.34 | babilen | Exhalted: Both can either be burned on CD or copied to USB (/msg dpkg usb install) |
| 15:34.41 | Exhalted | I did snag a netinstall img but it says it's not bootable |
| 15:34.54 | Exhalted | can i use unetbootin? |
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| 15:35.35 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: what is the result of uptime |
| 15:35.48 | babilen | It should - No unetbootin won't work -- You essentially cat/cp/dd the image to your usb block device. "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync" for example if you USB stick is indeed /dev/sdb (check with "dmesg") |
| 15:35.52 | kristian-aalborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.59 | Exhalted | i only have windows right now tho |
| 15:36.04 | kristian-aalborg | the other user is one that plays music |
| 15:36.12 | babilen | Exhalted: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 15:36.48 | babilen | Exhalted: Use the tool linked in that factoid, but note that you have to rename the .iso to .img for it to work as Windows seems to be a bit weird when it comes to filenames/extensions |
| 15:36.48 | Exhalted | ok but why wouldnt unetbootin work |
| 15:37.02 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: I need to think for a min back shortly |
| 15:37.04 | babilen | Exhalted: Numerous reports that it does not and it is not supported. |
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| 15:37.25 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, np |
| 15:38.27 | Exhalted | so you think this image write is going to work better than isorecorder which i've had great luck burning bootable ISO's with in the past? |
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| 15:38.46 | Exhalted | Because I've already wasted 2 DVD's, are you sure the debian dvds are bootable? |
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| 15:39.51 | babilen | Exhalted: Yes, but I was talking about the USB install (re image writer) |
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| 15:40.54 | Exhalted | oh |
| 15:41.04 | Exhalted | hm |
| 15:41.10 | Exhalted | whats a good windows sum checker |
| 15:41.11 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: the use of the earlier version kernels took a lot of my thinking in a wrong direction, I guess it is almost safe to tell you some stuff like |
| 15:41.17 | ompaul | you need codecs and the like |
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| 15:41.33 | ompaul | it appears you may not have these installed - they are used for audio decoding |
| 15:41.53 | kristian-aalborg | I play mp3's right now |
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| 15:42.03 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: and the videos are what kind? |
| 15:42.18 | kristian-aalborg | mainly avi / xvid |
| 15:42.20 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: and do you intend to look at flash videos? |
| 15:42.26 | kristian-aalborg | it could happen |
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| 15:42.48 | kristian-aalborg | I intend to get all the codecs I can |
| 15:43.03 | ompaul | well it won't happen with that box unless you add contrib and non-free to all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:43.18 | kristian-aalborg | ah, will do |
| 15:43.28 | ompaul | then you can install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:43.59 | babilen | !tell Exhalted -about win32-loader.exe |
| 15:44.12 | babilen | Exhalted: That might be an alternative (have never ever used it though) |
| 15:44.13 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: ok does ffmpeg seem to be installed |
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| 15:44.27 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 15:45.08 | kristian-aalborg | I installed vlc and mplayer |
| 15:45.15 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: how? |
| 15:45.33 | ompaul | at 2am, |
| 15:45.36 | ompaul | ok |
| 15:46.08 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, aptitude |
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| 15:48.36 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: dependency hell is something that a user creates by mixing things that should not be mixed |
| 15:48.52 | ompaul | I'm a little surprised that you could even get those kernel packages |
| 15:49.10 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, I downloaded them manually |
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| 15:49.21 | kristian-aalborg | so not really Debian's fault |
| 15:49.29 | ompaul | ya |
| 15:49.55 | ompaul | did you download anything else manually? |
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| 15:50.16 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: ^^ |
| 15:50.29 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, nope |
| 15:50.42 | totte | Is there some sort of shortcut to specify the current directory when working with cp? Like, if I do "cd -" I go to my previous pwd. I'd like to cp a file from another directory into the current one. |
| 15:51.52 | thewanderer1 | totte: in Linux, dot (.) is the current directory |
| 15:52.02 | kristian-aalborg | goes outside for cig |
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| 15:52.21 | ompaul | !tell kristian-aalborg about codecs |
| 15:52.31 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: see the message from the bot |
| 15:52.48 | totte | thewanderer1: Ahh thanks, never quite understood those dots. |
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| 15:58.34 | hje841 | I found this site: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/ I know it's about Ubuntu, but the second highlighted text entry is claimed to be from a Debian guide. What exactly does it do? Starting with 'find'. it doesn't seem to appear in the Debian guide. |
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| 16:00.22 | Bushmills | possibly because "copy-and-mount" kind of instructions - moving /home to an own partition shouldn't be much more - hasn't been considered worthy of dedicating a guide to |
| 16:01.17 | Bushmills | could be that the average ubuntu user is more likely to be in need of such instructions. just a guess, though. |
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| 16:02.39 | hje841 | Bushmills: thanks. so just to guide my head: first get everything in the folder and copy it to the destination and mount the result? |
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| 16:04.19 | Bushmills | you want to take care of copying i with archive option, to keep permissions and ownership, and you're likely to want to mount into an empty /home. renaming is a good way |
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| 16:05.13 | hje841 | Bushmills: would this work if the destination is folder on a different partition and not an entire partion? |
| 16:05.15 | Bushmills | of course you wouldn't want to have any users logged in when you do that, and take care of fstab. but that' part of "using your head" |
| 16:05.23 | Bushmills | that's, even |
| 16:05.42 | Bushmills | yes. check out mount --bind for that |
| 16:05.50 | hje841 | Bushmills: thanks |
| 16:05.52 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, yeah, I know about codecs |
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| 16:10.39 | kristian-aalborg | another question... I'm not sure if this is the proper place.... |
| 16:11.09 | kristian-aalborg | box in question is a media center... when I watch movies, it goes to a blank screen, stating "no input" after 15 minutes or so |
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| 16:11.43 | ompaul | it is not a media center as it goes blank after 15 minutes ;-) you might want to turn off screen savers and the like |
| 16:11.50 | ompaul | for the DE installed |
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| 16:12.33 | kristian-aalborg | ompaul, no DE |
| 16:12.45 | kristian-aalborg | I just use xinit and vlc |
| 16:12.46 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: so some power saving app is working? |
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| 16:14.01 | kristian-aalborg | not as far as I can see |
| 16:14.09 | kristian-aalborg | I'm wondering if it's the TV |
| 16:14.30 | kristian-aalborg | when I touch the mouse or keyboard, it works again |
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| 16:14.59 | ompaul | kristian-aalborg: it won't shut up until it has no signal |
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| 16:15.39 | ompaul | so no signal is being sent from the computer - why |
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| 16:16.01 | kristian-aalborg | dunno... I have the most basic install I could get |
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| 16:16.45 | kristian-aalborg | BUT I have noapic in my grub, to avoid the ata DRDY problem |
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| 16:17.10 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: thats defenitely unrelated |
| 16:17.28 | kristian-aalborg | apic is power management...? |
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| 16:17.46 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: look at xset -dpms |
| 16:18.26 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: mplayer for instance has a switch that will probably disable the screensaving when its running |
| 16:18.44 | kristian-aalborg | valdyn, ah |
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| 16:28.30 | kristian-aalborg | valdyn, trying that... will have to wait 15 mins to see if it works :) |
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| 16:32.07 | notwaldo | I'm on Wheezy, using x.org's radeon driver. I'm getting this on boot: r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/CEDAR_pfp.bin" |
| 16:32.24 | notwaldo | *ERROR* etc... "disabling GPU acceleration" |
| 16:32.51 | notwaldo | The video card is an HD5450, by the way. |
| 16:33.05 | valdyn | notwaldo: you want the package firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:33.44 | Bac9 | has anyone ever installed linux on an encrypted filesystem? |
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| 16:34.02 | notwaldo | Hm. I'm hoping that will fix an issue I've been having. |
| 16:34.19 | notwaldo | When I close X, the screen goes black and doesn't come back. I have to push the reset button. |
| 16:34.43 | ompaul | Bac9: yes but eh ... well if you need to that I suggest you do a lot of reading. Understand get the passwords wrong and you don't get to your data. |
| 16:34.54 | ompaul | Bac9: and there is a performance hit |
| 16:35.02 | ompaul | small on a modern machine but it exists |
| 16:35.21 | notwaldo | If I go to tty 1 and to ctrl+c, though, I can close it, but it ends with an assertion failure. |
| 16:35.31 | Bac9 | ompaul: how would the performance hit be on an i5-2410? |
| 16:35.55 | ompaul | Bac9: not too much I'd wager |
| 16:36.02 | Bac9 | ompaul: just installing a new laptop and am highly tempted to use an encrypted / |
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| 16:36.17 | valdyn | Bac9: whats the point of an encrypted / ? |
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| 16:36.27 | valdyn | Bac9: to hide that youre using debian? |
| 16:36.28 | Bac9 | ompaul: am I correct to understand that /boot has to be unencrypted? |
| 16:36.29 | notwaldo | Thanks, valdyn. brb |
| 16:36.54 | Bac9 | valdyn: it's a laptop, laptops can grow legs if noone is watching |
| 16:37.05 | valdyn | Bac9: that was not my question |
| 16:37.16 | ompaul | Bac9: you should say what valdyn asked cos I had the same questions |
| 16:37.17 | valdyn | Bac9: or an answer to it |
| 16:37.22 | Bac9 | valdyn: "<valdyn> Bac9: whats the point of an encrypted / ?" |
| 16:37.52 | Bac9 | valdyn: did I misunderstand your question? |
| 16:38.01 | ompaul | Bac9: you did |
| 16:38.12 | Bac9 | ompaul: please rephrase then |
| 16:38.15 | valdyn | Bac9: you didnt give a valid answer |
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| 16:38.35 | Bac9 | valdyn: "<Bac9> valdyn: it's a laptop, laptops can grow legs if noone is watching" |
| 16:38.39 | valdyn | Bac9: whats the point in encrypting software that everyone can download from the internet? |
| 16:38.56 | Bac9 | valdyn: I don't plan to have more than one partition |
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| 16:39.14 | Bac9 | valdyn: otherwise I concur |
| 16:39.29 | ompaul | you should consider encrypting only your home |
| 16:39.45 | Bac9 | ompaul: I don't what to set up a separate partition for it |
| 16:39.55 | valdyn | Bac9: assuming this is a somewhat modern machine with a somewhat contemporary harddisk, you should use more than 1 partition |
| 16:40.10 | Bac9 | ompaul: or are you saying there is a better approach? |
| 16:40.39 | Bac9 | valdyn: let's call it user preference and leave it at that (re # of partitions) |
| 16:40.56 | ompaul | Bac9: go into the installer have it sort you out for you look at lvm it is kind of rocking and sensible |
| 16:41.02 | Bac9 | ompaul: AFAIK one cannot encrypt a directory, only a partition |
| 16:41.33 | Bac9 | ompaul: "lvm"? I am not setting up raid, or do you mean something else? |
| 16:41.42 | valdyn | Bac9: whatever you prefer, the point is only that youre making fixing errors harder later on |
| 16:41.42 | ompaul | something else |
| 16:41.45 | ompaul | it is called lvm |
| 16:41.57 | ompaul | or impossible |
| 16:42.00 | Bac9 | valdyn: what is your recomendation then? |
| 16:42.15 | ompaul | Bac9: he told ya, many paritions |
| 16:42.19 | ompaul | or more than one |
| 16:42.19 | Bac9 | ompaul: please do enlighten me AFAIK lvm is only for raid |
| 16:42.26 | valdyn | Bac9: debian stuff on a partition, your user data on another |
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| 16:43.02 | valdyn | Bac9: some people think that lvm is to merge serveral harddisks into one |
| 16:43.06 | kristian-aalborg | valdyn, dammit, screen just went black |
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| 16:43.07 | valdyn | Bac9: both is wrong |
| 16:43.12 | Bac9 | valdyn: I do not know how much space I need for all the apps I plan to install in the future, hence I do not know the proper partition sizes should be |
| 16:43.13 | ompaul | Bac9: it is not. |
| 16:43.31 | valdyn | Bac9: whats your disks size? |
| 16:43.40 | Bac9 | valdyn: 500GB |
| 16:43.40 | ompaul | Bac9: volume management is for managing volumes |
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| 16:44.05 | jelly-home | valdyn: does d-i enable one to set up per-LV encryption? |
| 16:44.10 | Bac9 | is obviously missing something here with LVM... :-( |
| 16:44.22 | valdyn | jelly-home: i dont know the installer really |
| 16:44.35 | ompaul | Bac9: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
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| 16:45.01 | jelly-home | valdyn: alright then, what's the tool to do it post-install then? |
| 16:45.16 | valdyn | Bac9: lvm abtracts the storage layer "logical volumes" away from the underlaying device, with all that that implies |
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| 16:45.45 | ompaul | Bac9: it tackles the I don't know what I am doing with my disk yet |
| 16:45.51 | ompaul | problem |
| 16:46.16 | valdyn | jelly-home: why are you asking me? |
| 16:46.24 | ompaul | Bac9: given that processor, what laptop did you get it ;-) |
| 16:46.29 | jelly-home | valdyn: you suggested lvm |
| 16:46.35 | valdyn | jelly-home: no i did not |
| 16:46.44 | ompaul | jelly-home: as I suggested it, yes it does from my reading the other night |
| 16:47.12 | ompaul | jelly-home: or else I was misreading it |
| 16:47.15 | valdyn | jelly-home: i dont give support about how to do encryption |
| 16:47.18 | ompaul | I didn't choose encryption :) |
| 16:47.38 | valdyn | jelly-home: because its more than year ago that i actually implmented something using encryption |
| 16:47.44 | Bac9 | ompaul: you mean "On small systems (like a desktop at home), instead of having to estimate at installation time how big a partition might need to be in the future, LVM allows you to resize your disk partitions easily as needed." I didn't know it could do that, how does it manage fragmentation of a volume? |
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| 16:48.49 | ompaul | Bac9: that is it's function, I never bothered getting that stuck into it. |
| 16:48.56 | jelly-home | Bac9: it gets fragmented and that's it. |
| 16:49.39 | valdyn | Bac9: fragmentation is not that much of an issue, you dont resize hundreds of times per day |
| 16:49.48 | Bac9 | ompaul: and once I have lvm set up, then what? I'd have to create partitions on the logical volumes? |
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| 16:50.19 | jelly-home | Bac9: lovical volumes are block devices. Use them the same way you'd use partitions. |
| 16:50.36 | Bac9 | valdyn: can you point me to a howto as far as lvm+encryption? |
| 16:50.41 | valdyn | Bac9: but lvm also enables defragmentation |
| 16:50.47 | ompaul | Bac9: it suggests a sensible setup after that you install, when you run out of room you get your act together and work out what room goes where |
| 16:50.56 | ompaul | Bac9: then you sort out your machine |
| 16:51.15 | jelly-home | valdyn: I don't see a PV defragmentation tool available yet. |
| 16:51.20 | ompaul | Bac9: this is way beyond the scope of #debian in my mind |
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| 16:51.35 | ompaul | I will now be corrected by others :) |
| 16:51.36 | valdyn | jelly-home: youre right, but it can be accomplished using pvmove |
| 16:51.53 | jelly-home | can. Is not present yet. |
| 16:52.01 | valdyn | jelly-home: uh? |
| 16:52.08 | Bac9 | ompaul: can you recommend a ling to read up on? |
| 16:52.13 | valdyn | jelly-home: i can defrag my logical volumes using pvmove *now* |
| 16:52.15 | Bac9 | ompaul: can you recommend a link to read up on? |
| 16:52.28 | valdyn | jelly-home: theres just no dedicated tool, and it not very convenient |
| 16:52.36 | jelly-home | valdyn: only if given enough free space |
| 16:52.43 | valdyn | jelly-home: yes |
| 16:52.51 | ompaul | Bac9: if only there was a way to search the internet with the word "howto lvm" in it I'd be doing well ;-) |
| 16:53.03 | ompaul | (clue tldp.org) |
| 16:53.16 | Bac9 | ompaul: yes, that's what I was reading, the article is from 2005 |
| 16:53.19 | ompaul | howtoforge |
| 16:53.30 | ompaul | Bac9: basically it has not changed that much |
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| 16:53.49 | Bac9 | ompaul: oh, so it's still up to date? how strange, thank you |
| 16:54.45 | jelly-home | specifics of lvm+crypt setups can be highly distro and release dependant, because of the need to bind into early userspace and each distro having their own way to make initrd images |
| 16:54.57 | ompaul | Bac9: there are many docs the ubuntu ones the debian one tldp.org when it comes down to it if you use lvm with encryption from the installer you are going to need to read on the day |
| 16:55.13 | jelly-home | I don't know the optimal way to do it on Debian |
| 16:55.23 | valdyn | it might just work |
| 16:55.26 | jelly-home | ompaul: which one of those is right? |
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| 16:55.29 | valdyn | but I dont know |
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| 16:55.54 | ompaul | today I don't know, but if I was installing it I'd read debian stuff first |
| 16:56.02 | ompaul | then I'd read the others then I would make my mind u |
| 16:56.36 | ompaul | but the idea that you won't slice a disk brought us down this side alley and I doubt the op is going to implement it anyway |
| 16:56.50 | ompaul | we haven't seen a good reason to use encryption yet |
| 16:57.10 | valdyn | oh, the stolen laptop is a good reason for me |
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| 16:57.20 | valdyn | just not for encrypting / |
| 16:57.51 | ompaul | valdyn: for me it is a matter of what data is dependent on what |
| 16:58.17 | valdyn | Bac9: you can get away with using 50G / and remaining stuff for your user data, that disk is by far big enough to waste space |
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| 16:58.54 | Bac9 | valdyn: thank you for the suggestion |
| 17:00.46 | valdyn | Bac9: but i would probably do 100 / , 100 /home and save the remaining space for whatever |
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| 17:01.45 | ws2k3 | hello people i'm back.. i still having the same issue with my server that i have alot of traffic that i cannot identify |
| 17:01.57 | tetreb | I gave up partitioning my drives. Isn't this a relict of times with bad file systems? |
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| 17:02.01 | ws2k3 | my upload is way to high and i dont know why |
| 17:02.06 | valdyn | ws2k3: whats so hard about identifying traffic? |
| 17:02.11 | valdyn | ws2k3: is it encrypted? |
| 17:02.17 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
| 17:02.27 | ws2k3 | valdyn i never had this problem before so i dont know how to start |
| 17:02.30 | valdyn | ws2k3: how can you not know its encrypted or not? |
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| 17:02.45 | tetreb | I don't see a point, if my system is damaged that I have to reinstall it, then I'd be probably formatting /home too anyway. |
| 17:02.45 | ws2k3 | how should i see if its encrypted? |
| 17:03.00 | valdyn | ws2k3: by finding clear text in it |
| 17:03.06 | ws2k3 | how |
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| 17:03.12 | valdyn | ws2k3: use wireshark |
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| 17:03.22 | tetreb | An aexeption would be redundant RAID I guess. |
| 17:03.44 | ws2k3 | when i start wireshark i see (wireshark:7215): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 17:03.57 | valdyn | tetreb: you dont want your data encrypted though |
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| 17:04.24 | ws2k3 | valdyn how should i start is text based? |
| 17:04.43 | valdyn | ws2k3: what is text based? |
| 17:04.44 | fir31ight | ws2k3: tcpdump |
| 17:04.56 | ws2k3 | i use only CLI |
| 17:05.05 | ws2k3 | CLI is text based |
| 17:05.06 | ws2k3 | no GUI |
| 17:05.17 | ws2k3 | how should i sure tcpdump to look in a package? |
| 17:05.27 | valdyn | ws2k3: read the documentation |
| 17:06.43 | valdyn | ws2k3: theres also tshark, but im not sure if theres any point vs tcpdump |
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| 17:08.22 | tetreb | valdyn: You mean because only partitions could be encrypted? I haven't encrypted my data in a long time, and I might do it again, but I believe there should be reasonble methods of encrypting a directory? I've got no laptop, but I'd feel safer encrypting the entire disk, in case some badly written application writes my stuff somewhere. But I don't have to do it, just wondering. |
| 17:08.49 | tetreb | I'd encrypt my backup drive I guess. |
| 17:08.54 | ws2k3 | can i use tcpdump to look into the package? |
| 17:08.57 | ws2k3 | packets |
| 17:09.00 | valdyn | tetreb: your badly written application doesnt have permissions to write to random places |
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| 17:10.06 | valdyn | tetreb: but beside that its not possible to boot from the disk when the whole disk is encrypted |
| 17:10.07 | tetreb | valdyn: I see, thanks, well that'S a plus for using Linux then. :) |
| 17:10.49 | tetreb | valdyn: OK. |
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| 17:11.20 | Bac9 | valdyn, ompaul: I always forget how the debian installer has been improved, every time I think of installing debian it is from 6 diskettes, but the new installer is much more sensible |
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| 17:11.33 | valdyn | ehe |
| 17:12.17 | ompaul | yeap |
| 17:12.22 | Bac9 | valdyn: yes, i've not installed debian in a while |
| 17:12.35 | Bac9 | valdyn: never needed to, I just kept upgrading |
| 17:15.56 | tetreb | The recent testing installer is nice and speedy under Virtualbox, even the integration modules were loaded automatically. :) |
| 17:17.11 | tetreb | Well the speedy part probably had to do with my "new" CPU and lots of RAM. |
| 17:17.50 | Parsind | win8 uses alot less ram on my box |
| 17:17.56 | Parsind | like 500 megas |
| 17:18.19 | Parsind | wille win7 is over ! G |
| 17:18.25 | Parsind | 1G |
| 17:18.52 | valdyn | Parsind: wrong channel |
| 17:19.12 | Parsind | wrong window |
| 17:19.16 | Parsind | sorry |
| 17:19.20 | ws2k3 | can i wish tcpdump only monitor outbond traffic? |
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| 17:25.24 | Benkinooby | ws2k3, yes, you can |
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| 17:25.50 | Benkinooby | ws2k3, but don't ask me how :P |
| 17:27.09 | Benkinooby | ws2k3, then man page for tcpdump says NIT doesn't let you watch your own outbound traffic, BPF will. We recommend that you use the latter. |
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| 17:41.11 | Grav | Anyone used shiki theme? I have white checkboxes checked/unchecked and other controls. Don't know how can i fix that. |
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| 17:55.59 | Bac9 | what could cause the debian-installer to hang on the "Select and install software" screen with a "please wait" message? |
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| 17:56.30 | tetreb | press ctrl+alt+f1 I think and see |
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| 17:56.53 | hje841 | how do I install Thunderbird 7 in Squeezy? |
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| 18:07.56 | jelly-home | hje841: squeeze? Debian 6? |
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| 18:08.45 | th0r | hje841: download the tar.gz from mozilla. Put the files in /opt/thunderbird, then create a link from the thunderbird binary in /usr/local/bin |
| 18:09.11 | jelly-home | hje841: you could use the Debian packaging of IceDove from http://mozilla.debian.net/, or use tarball from Mozilla.org like th0r suggests |
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| 18:10.27 | jelly-home | hje841: hm, no, sorry, icedove is only at 5.0 in http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 18:11.28 | hje841 | thanks. I'll go with th0r s suggestion |
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| 18:17.03 | hje841 | it says I'm missing libxul.so when I try to start thunderbird... :S any suggestions? |
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| 18:19.04 | valdyn | hje841: that library should be in /opt/thunderbird or wherever you put it, verify please |
| 18:19.37 | hje841 | valdyn: it is there alright |
| 18:19.55 | valdyn | hje841: something's wrong with you way to run that program |
| 18:20.30 | hje841 | I did ln to thunderbird-bin and runs that |
| 18:20.59 | th0r | hje841: nope...you need to run thunderbird, not thunderbird-bin |
| 18:20.59 | valdyn | hje841: i guess thunderbird-bin is not the intended starter |
| 18:21.26 | th0r | hje841: my fault...I didn't make that quite clear earlier |
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| 18:22.24 | hje841 | valdyn: th0r, hmm.. running thunderbird complains about another lib missing |
| 18:22.36 | valdyn | hje841: which one? |
| 18:22.46 | hje841 | valdyn: libdbus |
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| 18:23.17 | valdyn | hje841: be precise, the full name please |
| 18:23.38 | hje841 | valdyn: libdbus-glip-1.so.2 |
| 18:24.06 | valdyn | hje841: sloppy |
| 18:24.33 | valdyn | hje841: which debian architecture is installed? |
| 18:24.40 | hje841 | 64bit |
| 18:24.57 | valdyn | hje841: aptitude install ia32-libs-gtk |
| 18:25.25 | valdyn | hje841: its libdbus-glib-1.so.2 and its amd64 |
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| 18:27.17 | hje841 | valdyn: that made the trick.thanks |
| 18:27.45 | Datz | hi, /var/log/apache2 is owned by root and group adm, I tried adding my user to group adm to access it, but permission still denied, what might I do? |
| 18:28.04 | valdyn | Datz: log out and back in after adding to group |
| 18:28.12 | Datz | an |
| 18:28.14 | Datz | thanks |
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| 18:29.20 | Datz | valdyn: awesome. working now :) |
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| 18:30.26 | Grav | Is there some problem with controls, and checkboxes under debian themes? |
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| 18:30.48 | Grav | it can be only default or broken? |
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| 18:31.17 | karl_ | hi, anyone know why the directory /mnt/usbhdd is removed after unmount ? |
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| 18:33.57 | karl_ | it seems that any directory i create, mount my usb disk there, vanishes on umount |
| 18:34.00 | karl_ | is that normal ? |
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| 18:34.38 | marsfligth | Please, how to resume from 'hibernation' or 'suspend' status pressing the 'usb keyboard' instead to press the computer power button? |
| 18:34.54 | th0r | karl_: you shouldn't have to mount the usb drives. The system should create and delete the mount points as required. |
| 18:35.07 | karl_ | like this: http://pastebin.com/sz7CabtQ |
| 18:35.15 | valdyn | marsfligth: thats a bios setting |
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| 18:35.31 | karl_ | i am writing a shell script that mounts usb disk, does backup, umounts usb disk |
| 18:35.44 | karl_ | however, the directory is vanishing every time on umount |
| 18:35.48 | karl_ | i have no idea why ! |
| 18:35.51 | valdyn | marsfligth: "wake on lan" is maybe more well known, the same for usb is what you need, debian cannot fix that |
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| 18:36.22 | karl_ | th0r: could it be a mount-daemon is interfering ? |
| 18:36.44 | valdyn | marsfligth: for suspend this should just work though, hibernation is a completely different thing |
| 18:37.40 | Grav | No one is using a custom theme? |
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| 18:38.23 | marsfligth | in my case, to resume I always need to press the computer power button, in hibernate mode and aslo in standby mode |
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| 18:38.47 | karl_ | marsfligth: have a look in your bios, check for anything usb related |
| 18:38.56 | Bushmills | Grav: what a strange conclusion |
| 18:39.16 | karl_ | not all bioses support starting a system with a usb keyboard |
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| 18:39.35 | th0r | karl_: I got dumped from the wifi, did my explanation to you get through? |
| 18:39.45 | archman | Anyone here that used Google Chrome with debian and managed to turn off that turbo smooth font rendering? (muddy font issue) |
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| 18:39.48 | karl_ | if you cant get it to work with usb, you might have to resort to a ps2 keyboard |
| 18:39.53 | karl_ | th0r: no ! |
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| 18:40.27 | valdyn | marsfligth: on hibernate the bios is the only place to look at. On suspend or standby its a function of your computers acpi. I dont know if you can change settings for it. Probably not |
| 18:40.35 | th0r | karl_: the new usb system identifies each disk with a unique id/mount point. That allows you to write scripts like you are attempting without having to resort to manual mounting. |
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| 18:40.55 | th0r | karl_: I assume you are running squeeze |
| 18:41.00 | marsfligth | karl_: Thanx, ill have a check |
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| 18:41.33 | Grav | Bushmills: Who knows it could be true. I can't find a way to change controls, checkboxes etc on themes. It can be only default or nothing. Can't find anything on Google. |
| 18:41.37 | karl_ | th0r: i know about uuids and stuff, however, i am not removing the disk, its always plugged in, no no auto-daemon is doing anything, i just want to "mount, backup, umount" |
| 18:41.47 | karl_ | thor: yes, squeeze |
| 18:41.55 | totte | I've found two patches for screen on debian to add a "firstline" option but they are for 4.0.2 and 4.0.3 (on bugs.debian.org) - is anyone using either of those? |
| 18:42.28 | Bushmills | Grav: anyway, i can't tell whether there is "some" problem with default routes. either way could be wrong. |
| 18:42.38 | valdyn | karl_: show us your mount command |
| 18:42.39 | Bushmills | ehm ... themes, i mean |
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| 18:43.51 | Bushmills | that says nothing about me using default or custom themes |
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| 18:44.01 | Grav | Bushmills: do you know some working themes i could download from synaptic and check? |
| 18:44.17 | Bushmills | for fluxbox? it comes with plenty of themes |
| 18:44.18 | valdyn | Grav: themes for what? |
| 18:44.27 | valdyn | uh fluxbox |
| 18:44.28 | marsfligth | I have 'vendor: ASUSTeK Computer INC' 'product: P5KPL-AM' ''serial: MS6C93B70308945'' |
| 18:44.28 | Bushmills | or for console? |
| 18:44.42 | valdyn | i thought fluxbox themes only really affect colors |
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| 18:44.51 | Bushmills | iceweasel allows you to download new themes |
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| 18:45.04 | karl_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/B2ATwGwg |
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| 18:45.28 | Bushmills | valdyn: he thoughtfully left us entirely in the dark what themes he thought of |
| 18:45.33 | Grav | valdyn: gnome themes |
| 18:45.55 | timmyt | what tool can i use for using DUN with my cellphone.? |
| 18:45.56 | karl_ | valdyn: it seems that the directory is only vanishing when i mount this usb-drive, mounting and umounting the internal sata drives does not remove the directory |
| 18:46.13 | valdyn | Grav: apt-cache search gtk2-engines |
| 18:46.26 | marsfligth | valdyn: My mb is ASUSTeK P5KPL-AM' ''serial: MS6C93B70308945'' (info get by lshw) |
| 18:46.56 | cheasee | hi, ive got a kgpe-d16 mobo which has 3 NICs (two intel and one management) - i would like to know if its possible to use the mgmt nic as third nic? |
| 18:47.07 | cheasee | i dont see it in lspci? |
| 18:47.35 | valdyn | karl_: odd |
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| 18:47.58 | timmyt | guys what can i use for tethring? |
| 18:47.59 | marsfligth | karl_: My mb is ASUSTeK P5KPL-AM' ''serial: MS6C93B70308945'' (info get by lshw) |
| 18:48.25 | valdyn | timmyt: gnomes network-manager works quite nicely |
| 18:48.28 | karl_ | valdyn: yep, and i know i could just mkdir the directory every time, but it bugs me big time ! |
| 18:48.38 | Grav | valdyn: it shows a list of themes i can download |
| 18:48.46 | Grav | valdyn: ? |
| 18:48.55 | valdyn | Grav: yes |
| 18:49.24 | timmyt | im on kde |
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| 18:49.59 | valdyn | timmyt: i dont know kde, but its probably just the same |
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| 18:51.29 | valdyn | timmyt: use the plasma-widget-networkmanagement on kde4 or network-manager-gnome on kde3 and have mobile-broadband-provider-info installed |
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| 18:52.25 | valdyn | timmyt: it doesnt really need gnome running, just a notification area, which kde has aswell should do |
| 18:52.26 | timmyt | tnx |
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| 18:52.58 | karl_ | valdyn: any ideas what i could do ? |
| 18:53.12 | valdyn | karl_: no, nothing good |
| 18:53.18 | valdyn | karl_: change the mountpoint name |
| 18:53.37 | himuraken | Im unable to list services on a known working NFS server when I am logged in as root. Running rpcinfo -p ipaddress works when not root. Ideas? |
| 18:53.39 | karl_ | valdyn: does not help, if i just "sudo mount" it anywhere, the directory vanishes |
| 18:53.48 | valdyn | karl_: narrow this down somehow. Udev could do stuff on mount or unmount ,but this doesnt really make sense |
| 18:53.50 | karl_ | valdyn: upon umount |
| 18:54.20 | valdyn | karl_: chattr +i /mnt/usbhdd |
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| 18:55.39 | karl_ | valdyn: well, thats just as good as creating the directory before the mount |
| 18:55.57 | karl_ | i hate it when a computer does things i did not tell it to do ! |
| 18:56.04 | valdyn | karl_: sure, but it could also yield an error message in a logfile |
| 18:56.15 | karl_ | ah, will try then |
| 18:56.36 | iq-9 | Greetings Debianites, I cannot get into my Debian GUI after I login. I keep getting looped back into the login screen without touching the GUI |
| 18:56.54 | valdyn | karl_: or you could use an inotify watch to figure out whos deleting |
| 18:57.06 | Grav | I have installed different gnome themes. Everything changes but controls, checkboxes etc. Feels like win95 again:P |
| 18:57.26 | valdyn | Grav: somethings broken on your system |
| 18:57.38 | valdyn | Grav: which debian release is this? |
| 18:57.55 | Grav | debian 6 stable, 64bit |
| 18:58.15 | valdyn | Grav: ive seen this alot, but i dont regularily changed themes so logging out and back in might adjust the widgets properly |
| 18:58.35 | Grav | i have restarted it already few times, nothing changes |
| 18:58.40 | valdyn | Grav: or try gtk-chtheme |
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| 18:58.58 | Grav | should i install that? |
| 18:59.03 | Grav | or run? |
| 18:59.06 | valdyn | Grav: gtk2.0 configuration is very messy |
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| 18:59.24 | valdyn | Grav: its a package, if its not installed you cant run it ;) |
| 18:59.51 | Grav | ok its running |
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| 18:59.52 | valdyn | Grav: gtk2.0 is also obsolete, so why would you create a theme? |
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| 19:01.31 | Grav | i dont want to create a theme, i just want to use something that looks ok, not like it comes from 90s |
| 19:02.47 | amphi | there is a vast number of themes for gtk2 on the tubes |
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| 19:05.33 | karl_ | valdyn: just fscking the drive, will be a few minutes |
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| 19:07.08 | jelly-home | valdyn: if it's that obsolete why does Debian use it! |
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| 19:08.58 | karl_ | valdyn: have done chattr +i /mnt/usbhdd, the directory stays after umount, but i cant find any error msg in dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:09.03 | karl_ | anywhere else i can look ? |
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| 19:15.25 | karl_ | would this be the right command: sudo inotifywatch -v /mnt/usbhdd ? |
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| 19:15.39 | karl_ | its not giving any output even when i manipulate /mnt/usbhdd |
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| 19:19.31 | karl_ | ah, it is giving some output, alas, that does not help: http://pastebin.com/ANDbxpzV |
| 19:19.49 | karl_ | this is when i do the mount, umount, ls in another console |
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| 19:20.18 | karl_ | who the f... is deleting that directory ?? |
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| 19:23.15 | Onryo | I got some instructions to make a user called kaliuser. Done. I got an example to do with with him. uid = 1001 (kaliuser) gid =10 (wheel) groups = 0 (wheel), 10 (wheel). I know about wheels etc but I am not sure what this means. |
| 19:23.29 | Onryo | Can somebody explain. |
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| 19:25.09 | ismael_ | Hello. I have a question about Avahi. I have 2 separate networks, plus multicast routes in place for one iface. Does avahi work in that case? Do I have to do something to make Avahi able to broadcast on both networks? |
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| 19:25.58 | Onryo | so i see if I do an id what I am seeing is this uid=1001(kaliuser) gid=1001(kaliuser) groups=1001(kaliuser) |
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| 19:26.59 | Onryo | groups is just him there (kaliuser) |
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| 19:28.00 | Onryo | can somebody explain what is meant with uid = 1001 (kaliuser) gid =10 (wheel) groups = 0 (wheel), 10 (wheel) |
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| 19:28.34 | notwaldo | Hi. I've compiled ffmpeg, and am now getting this error when I run it: ffmpeg: relocation error: /usr/local/lib/libavfilter.so.2: symbol avformat_find_stream_info, version LIBAVFORMAT_53 not defined in file libavformat.so.53 with link time reference |
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| 19:28.55 | notwaldo | When I remove the libav* shared libs from /usr/lib and /usr/lib/i686/cmov, it works. |
| 19:29.12 | notwaldo | How do I make sure ffmpeg tries to use only the ones at /usr/local/lib? |
| 19:29.33 | notwaldo | Not other program is having those problems. |
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| 19:30.36 | karl_ | valdyn: any other ideas ? |
| 19:30.41 | debian866 | Are any there official Debian AMIs for Amazon EC2 like Ubuntu does? |
| 19:31.20 | hid3 | Good evening everyone. |
| 19:31.28 | hid3 | Anyone bother to update the topic? |
| 19:31.31 | Onryo | notwaldo just use my script. It will do all the git work and compile everything for you from scratch. You just press "install" http://pastebin.com/NHXrsBxm |
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| 19:31.33 | hid3 | lenny 5.0.9 is out |
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| 19:32.47 | hid3 | no one hears me :( |
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| 19:33.20 | debian866 | Everyone's selfish ^ |
| 19:33.30 | debian866 | but I heard you |
| 19:34.23 | notwaldo | That's useless, Onryo. |
| 19:34.26 | hid3 | Selfishness is good sometimes :) |
| 19:34.53 | debian866 | There you go... |
| 19:35.12 | ismael_ | How does multicast work when there are no routes? Does the packet go out on all ifaces? |
| 19:35.31 | iq-9 | Greetings Debianites, I cannot get into my Debian GUI after I login. I keep getting looped back into the login screen without touching the GUI |
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| 19:42.09 | Grav | Can i use Firefox 7 on Debian 6 64bit? |
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| 19:43.00 | robglas | I don't see why not? |
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| 19:43.40 | Grav | I have downloaded oficial files from mozzilla.org, running from /opt/firefox and UI is broken |
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| 19:43.51 | Grav | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
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| 19:44.38 | babilen | Grav: Either install iceweasel 7 from http://mozilla.debian.net or ask #firefox for support :) |
| 19:44.50 | babilen | Grav: (I recommend the former) |
| 19:45.15 | niadh | Hey is and` about? |
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| 19:46.30 | Grav | Is this really the same? 100% the same as ff7 ? |
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| 19:47.56 | Shirakawasuna | Hi folks! I'm currently an ubuntu user but am interested in debian's lighter touch. One of the primary reasons I use ubuntu is that if an individual packages their own app, there's probably going to be an ubuntu .deb available. From what I understand, debian and ubuntu packages generally are not compatible, so would I lose this advantage if I switched to debian? Thanks. |
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| 19:49.42 | niadh | Shirakawasuna: Not always, there are tools to package software into your own debian debs or are you after the PPA concept? |
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| 19:51.20 | archman | i have added a google chrome repository but removed it from the sources.list later, but it still downloads from there when running "aptitude update". i have removed a key with "apt-key del __". why is it still downloading the list from that repo? |
| 19:51.21 | iq-9 | Greetings Debianites, I cannot get into my Debian GUI after I login. I keep getting looped back into the login screen without touching the GUI |
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| 19:51.58 | Shirakawasuna | niadh: I wasn't thinking of PPAs per se, but that is another way that software is easily available. I suppose I'm just satisfied with the fact that I can easily get debs for most things that are compatible with ubuntu, from the humble indie bundle to scientific software. Debian does seem very cool, though. I should try it out in virtualbox again anyways. So will those deb tools take an ubuntu deb and attempt to make it compatible wit |
| 19:51.58 | Shirakawasuna | h debian? Do they re-link libraries or something? |
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| 19:53.13 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: try launching gnome (if that's what you're using) using 'startx' and a properly-configured ~/.xinitrc. It should output errors to the console. |
| 19:53.24 | Shirakawasuna | after killing gdm/lightdm (whichever is being used) |
| 19:53.56 | archman | why is aptitude update loading some repo if i removed it from sources.list? |
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| 19:54.44 | niadh | Shirakawasuna: Well that depends are you adverse to building your own packages from source? |
| 19:54.46 | babilen | !tell Grega about iceweasel |
| 19:55.02 | Shirakawasuna | niadh: I'm certainly comfortable with it, but I like the convenience of not needing to do it. |
| 19:55.15 | babilen | Grega: FF minus icons + Debian patches |
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| 19:57.25 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, The only place where I can do anything is when I get into recovery mode |
| 19:57.31 | niadh | Shirakawasuna: Well I actually use Arch Linux, so I know the fun of trying to find binarys that work on your system ;) I wonder if there is like a debian user repo, that would solve your issue I think |
| 19:57.50 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: What do you mean? Can you use ctrl+alt+f1? |
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| 19:58.16 | Shirakawasuna | (if you're not used to the VTs, remember that X is going to be on alt+f7 or alt+f8 |
| 19:59.03 | babilen | !tell archman -about show sources.list |
| 19:59.22 | babilen | archman: Please paste the output of the command dpkg told you about along with aptitude's output to http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 19:59.30 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Okay, I did what you said and I got a fatal server error |
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| 19:59.50 | archman | babilen: was just looking at the sources.list.d dir, there's google thing. :) |
| 20:00.08 | Bushmills | archman: there's also /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 20:00.16 | Shirakawasuna | niadh: Ah, that's funny. I'm an ex-archer myself. |
| 20:00.17 | archman | Bushmills: yeah, just saw it |
| 20:00.19 | babilen | archman: And is that the repository which is mysteriously downloaded? |
| 20:00.29 | archman | babilen: yes :) |
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| 20:00.47 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, the output is that X is already running on one screen |
| 20:00.50 | babilen | archman: Hehe, there we have the answer then :) |
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| 20:00.54 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: ah |
| 20:01.06 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: did you stop gdm (assuming it's gdm) first? |
| 20:01.12 | archman | babilen: thanks! |
| 20:01.15 | babilen | np |
| 20:01.39 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, GDM is the default, I have no control over it. I used the net install version |
| 20:01.42 | archman | babilen: still learning debian :) |
| 20:02.16 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I prefer KDE for my desktop |
| 20:02.30 | PerfDave | Civilisation! |
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| 20:02.47 | niadh | Shirakawasuna: I used checkinstall to build a package, with all the deps, I don't see how an autobuild service like the aur would be outside the realms of possibility, and like Arch, if the debs are deemed good enough, pull them into the official repos |
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| 20:03.13 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: Okay. Well gdm makes X start, so you need to make both of those stop before you can test out stuff like I described. Use the init.d script. If it's like ubuntu (and I don't know whether it is), you can use /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:03.22 | babilen | archman: Enjoy! I recommend to read the Debian Reference (/msg dpkg reference) and/or http://debiansystem.info/ for a good overview. |
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| 20:04.02 | archman | cheers :) |
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| 20:04.55 | Shirakawasuna | niadh: That sounds pretty cool, though my understanding is that debian has very rigorous packaging standards, so any new packages means having an expert taking care of them. |
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| 20:05.20 | niadh | Shirakawasuna: Perhaps, yes, I am not so familiar with debian |
| 20:05.39 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, No such file or directory |
| 20:05.55 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: ls /etc/init.d and look for gdm or kdm or xdm or lightdm |
| 20:07.16 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I see gdm3 |
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| 20:09.25 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, stopped, what next? |
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| 20:19.40 | Shirakawasuna | sorry, was making coffee iq-9 |
| 20:19.54 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: now you want to edit /home/youruser/.xinitrc |
| 20:21.00 | Shirakawasuna | add this to it: exec ck-launch-session gnome-session |
| 20:21.15 | Shirakawasuna | it should be the only non-commented line in /home/youruser/.xinitrc |
| 20:21.29 | Shirakawasuna | Then, as your own user (NOT root!), type 'startx' |
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| 20:21.44 | Shirakawasuna | I"m assuming that you're using gnome at the moment |
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| 20:31.31 | aminpy | I have a macbook pro with two os (mac os x and debian), I create database on mac os x in 32 ms, but on debian I create database in 31000 ms! |
| 20:31.37 | aminpy | can anybody help me? |
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| 20:32.27 | abrotman | what kind of database? |
| 20:32.41 | aminpy | abrotman: Postgresql |
| 20:32.50 | aminpy | abrotman: create database aminpy; |
| 20:32.52 | aminpy | just this |
| 20:33.06 | cafaro | I have a debian server (which I don't have physical access to) that keeps rebooting automatically every now and then. Now it didn't start all (it runs again after another reboot), and I was told there appearently was a "grub hard disk error". The disks are set up in raid1 with mdam. Could anyone provide me with some hints on how to pinpoint this problem? What logs could be relevant? Thanks! |
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| 20:33.22 | abrotman | perhaps #postgresql might know if there's a reason it would take longer on one than the other |
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| 20:34.55 | burd | cafaro: a lot of times dmesg would show something out of order |
| 20:34.59 | aminpy | abrotman: I tested it with mysql |
| 20:35.08 | aminpy | abrotman: but I have the same problem |
| 20:35.30 | Shirakawasuna | cafaro: I would also check the hard drives with hdparm |
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| 20:36.54 | cafaro | alright, thanks |
| 20:36.56 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 20:44.06 | haxi__ | Hi there! I'm having trouble installing AMD Radeon HD 6490M driver on brand new debian. I installed it via amd-driver.run found on amd's website, but total blackout, can't do anything it just boots and is black. |
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| 20:46.11 | babilen | haxi__: We do not support AMDs .run driver installation unfortunately -- Please ask #ati for support with that. The recommended and supported way of installing fglrx (if you really have to and xserver-xorg-video-radeon is not working properly already) is: |
| 20:46.15 | babilen | !fglrx dkms |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 20:46.34 | babilen | !radeon |
| 20:46.35 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 20:47.19 | cafaro | Shirakawasuna: Which hdparm switch to use? I tried rereading md0's partition table with -z, and I got: "BLKRRPART failed: Success". Is this something serious? |
| 20:47.22 | hmmmm | hello, i installed xutils-dev and it apparently does not come with xorg-macros.pc |
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| 20:47.26 | hmmmm | how can i install that? |
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| 20:49.32 | babilen | It should: |
| 20:49.37 | babilen | ,file xorg-macros.pc |
| 20:49.41 | judd | Search for xorg-macros.pc in squeeze/i386: xutils-dev: usr/share/pkgconfig/xorg-macros.pc |
| 20:50.03 | hmmmm | i am looking at the packing list and it's not there. |
| 20:52.09 | babilen | hmmmm: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/xutils-dev/filelist and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/xutils-dev/filelist both list it -- Where are you looking? |
| 20:52.11 | hmmmm | i have installed the version 1:7.24+3, which is also the latest version |
| 20:52.17 | burd | Well after 10 years with Debian, one of the things I've never tried was build a mirror so I read and set up apt-mirror.. I started the downloading and after a bit realized I told it to get the src stuf which I don't need, stopped it, changed the mirrors.list and started it again but it seems the src packages it grabbed are still in the repository. apt-mirror is almost finished and I am curious if it will remove the old src files or leave them there.. If it leav |
| 20:52.17 | burd | es them, is there a command for apt-mirrors to tell it to remove that stuff? |
| 20:52.22 | hmmmm | is that indeed the right version which contains it? |
| 20:52.28 | babilen | ,versions xutils-dev |
| 20:52.29 | judd | Package: xutils-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.4+3; squeeze: 1:7.5+4; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+5~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+5; wheezy: 1:7.6+5 |
| 20:52.50 | hmmmm | okay |
| 20:52.55 | hmmmm | why is mine so much newer? |
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| 20:53.14 | hmmmm | oh sorry, nevermind, that's not 24 |
| 20:53.18 | hmmmm | 1:7.4+3 |
| 20:53.22 | Shirakawasuna | cafaro: I'm not sure, sorry. I just know that what you're seeing in terms of hardware could be a failing hard drive. |
| 20:53.25 | babilen | hmmmm: Do you have that file? What is the output of "dpkg -L xutils-dev", "dpkg -l xutils-dev" and "ls -la /usr/share/pkgconfig/xorg-macros.pc" ? (paste to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 20:53.53 | babilen | hmmmm: Why do you think that the file is not there? |
| 20:54.12 | hmmmm | i honestly have no clue. |
| 20:54.16 | Shirakawasuna | cafaro: keep in mind that you should unmount the filesystem(s) before running many hdparm commands |
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| 20:54.38 | babilen | hmmmm: No, why do *you* think that the file is not there? What is the output of those commands? |
| 20:54.52 | hmmmm | http://paste.debian.net/133724/ |
| 20:55.11 | cafaro | Shirakawasuna: ok |
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| 20:55.52 | babilen | hmmmm: Which architecture is that? Which release of Debian? |
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| 20:55.58 | hmmmm | how can i check? |
| 20:56.05 | hmmmm | i386, dunno what release |
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| 20:58.16 | babilen | hmmmm: Weird, I just downloaded the package and it does ship/contain that particular file. Could you reinstall it please? |
| 20:58.22 | hmmmm | ok |
| 20:59.16 | babilen | hmmmm: Did you do anything that might have caused that file to disappear (read: be deleted) in the meanwhile? |
| 21:00.03 | hmmmm | be deleted? it was never installed apparently |
| 21:00.07 | haxi__ | babilen: very, very usefull. Thanks a lot! |
| 21:00.19 | hmmmm | i reinstalled, and it's still absent |
| 21:00.25 | hmmmm | i'm going to install it manually |
| 21:00.30 | babilen | haxi__: Did you install the driver using the Debian way? Does it work? |
| 21:01.01 | hmmmm | where _do_ i fetch that from? |
| 21:01.06 | babilen | hmmmm: hmmmm ... /me is having a fag now, brb (weird issue, i'd like to reproduce that locally) |
| 21:01.07 | haxi__ | nope. Sorry I'm a nvidia user trying to install amd the nvidia's way. |
| 21:01.37 | haxi__ | My bad, I'll try the debian way tomorrow. Have a good night! |
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| 21:03.49 | usbtv | can anyone recommend me some CHEAP TDT USB adapters (dongles), that is usb adpaters that will enable me to watch DIGITAL TV on my netbook? I am in Spain and the only TV you can watch here is digital. I am looking for USB adapters that do NOT require non free firmware and are approved by the FSF |
| 21:03.59 | usbtv | a visit to h-node.com did not help me at all |
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| 21:04.25 | babilen | haxi__: Didn't you say in the very beginning that you are having a "AMD Radeon HD 6490M" card? |
| 21:04.45 | haxi__ | Yes I did |
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| 21:05.14 | babilen | Why do you want to install nvidia drivers for that? |
| 21:05.48 | haxi__ | Na na I meant "download driver.run from nvidia.com and run it" when I said " the nvidia way" |
| 21:06.05 | haxi__ | sorry my english expression is quite fuxxed up ;) |
| 21:06.10 | babilen | Yes, why nvidia drivers for that card? |
| 21:06.16 | haxi__ | In fact, that's why I tried first the amd's way, cos I supposed that the lastest debi driver won't work with such a new card |
| 21:06.19 | dreamer | uhg, new xorg, nvidia-drivers and FF7 totally don't work together -_- |
| 21:06.44 | babilen | dreamer: downgrade to 1.10 → #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:07.00 | dreamer | is that even possible? |
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| 21:07.16 | Bushmills | haxi_nvidia drivers require an nvidia video controller |
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| 21:08.04 | Bushmills | just to state the very obvious |
| 21:08.12 | lapsusbrutus | hi guys, got a debian machine running dnsmasq as dhcp and dns server. works great for a while, until connections suddenly stop working.. its doing nat also. I cant even ssh it internally. while when i connect a screen and keyboard to it, all look fine except internal network not working.. a "invoke-rc.d networking restart" fixes it though.. for an hour or so extra, before it happens again.. |
| 21:08.30 | lapsusbrutus | anyone have an idea where to look for clues? |
| 21:08.35 | haxi__ | it's just that I don't express myself correctly Bushmills, obviously I did know that. :p |
| 21:09.16 | ompaul | lapsusbrutus: where does it get it's ip from? |
| 21:09.36 | lapsusbrutus | ifconfig look well.. got correct ip and netmask on both cards, but the internal one is not working even if all look good |
| 21:09.41 | Bushmills | "trying nvidia (way) because amd (way) didn't work with your amd video controller" ?? |
| 21:09.42 | babilen | Bushmills: Thank you :) |
| 21:09.57 | lapsusbrutus | external, from isp.. internal is static |
| 21:10.10 | babilen | haxi__: You do *not* have an nvidia graphic card if that isn't clear |
| 21:10.27 | ompaul | lapsusbrutus: and is it changing external IP once an hour? |
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| 21:11.04 | Bushmills | so if you knew - why do you still try? |
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| 21:11.41 | lapsusbrutus | no ips are ok, just will not connect.. |
| 21:11.58 | haxi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.10 | haxi__ | Sorry, I do not use the right words. I'm high. |
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| 21:12.30 | haxi__ | My bad! |
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| 21:12.47 | haxi__ | (I'm *not* dumb!) |
| 21:13.00 | lapsusbrutus | hmmm I think I found a typo in interfaces file: network 192.168.2.0 should be ..1.0 I guess this could be the explination.. but why does it work for a while?? :) |
| 21:13.08 | Bushmills | then you should repartition your disk - that of course meaning to look up ati driver installation instructions on the wiki |
| 21:13.21 | Bushmills | just the same with different words |
| 21:14.14 | antivirtel | hi! Can someone help me in this question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64016/access-workstations-without-public-ip-maybe-with-vpn ? |
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| 21:14.58 | lapsusbrutus | s/I think I/I/ Its an obvious typo:) but strange that it works only a while... that I cannot explain |
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| 21:15.38 | lapsusbrutus | worst errores to find are those that work most of the time :) |
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| 21:16.49 | Bushmills | !ati |
| 21:16.49 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 21:18.16 | lapsusbrutus | antivirtel: just reverse an ssh tunnel |
| 21:18.36 | antivirtel | lapsusbrutus and how? |
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| 21:19.40 | lapsusbrutus | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reverse+ssh+tunnel |
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| 21:20.23 | wols | http://www.fileserve.com/file/sKUrm7F |
| 21:20.23 | wols | http://www.fileserve.com/file/bGhpNCd |
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| 21:21.08 | jelly-home | wols: what |
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| 21:22.10 | lapsusbrutus | antivirtel: but check if thats ok with work or wherever you want to use ssh.. some have (for good reasons) strict policies for vpn,ssh tunnels, and other ways into a internal network. |
| 21:22.45 | antivirtel | lapsusbrutus I try :) |
| 21:22.47 | antivirtel | thanks |
| 21:23.06 | Furai` | Hello. :) |
| 21:23.18 | lapsusbrutus | antivirtel: gl :) |
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| 21:25.49 | Sokini_ | hi |
| 21:26.17 | Sokini_ | i'm having some little problems with my debian squeeze x86_64 installation |
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| 21:26.47 | Sokini_ | some binaries, extracted from official packages, won't execute |
| 21:27.10 | somiaj | Sokini_: what do you mean by 'extracted' |
| 21:27.19 | somiaj | Sokini_: are you dpkg -x pakages? |
| 21:27.43 | Sokini_ | no, i mean installed via aptitude |
| 21:28.46 | tetreb | What's the minimum HDD size for an installation without a GUI please? I'm using Virtualbox and it aborted with 1GB HDD size. I'm trying 2GB now. According to debian.org 1GB should be enough without a desktop? I selected only standard tools in tasksel, no additional options. |
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| 21:29.07 | somiaj | Sokini_: ok what doy ou mean by won't execute, what errors are you getting? |
| 21:29.15 | pipeline | tetreb: 1GB is enough if you don't have any swap space... |
| 21:29.16 | rozie | tetreb: ~200 MB for base system |
| 21:29.23 | Sokini_ | i'm getting "error : not found |
| 21:29.25 | somiaj | Sokini_: maybe give a very paticular example of one that doesn't execute and the error |
| 21:29.34 | Sokini_ | but when i do a ls i have the file |
| 21:29.47 | rozie | "without gui" means nothing, you can install a lot of cli apps... |
| 21:29.48 | valdyn | Sokini_: run "hash -r" |
| 21:29.49 | somiaj | Sokini_: give the command you are trying to run. |
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| 21:30.31 | tetreb | pipeline: it was a guided install onto a 1GB HDD, but tasksel aborted and said "no space left on device" while "writing to /var..." |
| 21:30.51 | Sokini_ | i was trying to run add-apt-repository ( installed from python-software-properties) |
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| 21:31.15 | pipeline | tetreb: yeah -- to fit in 1GB you will want to do manual partitioning etc. The defaults won't work in a pathologically small environment. |
| 21:31.32 | tetreb | pipeline, thanks! |
| 21:31.33 | Sokini_ | and i get : sudo /usr/bin/add-apt-repository sudo: /usr/bin/add-apt-repository: command not found |
| 21:31.35 | lulzfish_4 | It looks like my install is 699 MB, told it to do LVM and a single / partition |
| 21:31.58 | tetreb | OK, thnaks, I'll do manual partitioning then. :) |
| 21:32.03 | valdyn | Sokini_: so sudo is not installed? |
| 21:32.10 | Sokini_ | sudo is installed |
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| 21:32.39 | Sokini_ | "sudo echo test test" |
| 21:33.08 | Sokini_ | and /usr/bin is in my $PATH |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | Sokini_: run "hash -r" as i said |
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| 21:33.37 | Sokini_ | valdyn: nothing |
| 21:33.43 | valdyn | Sokini_: sure nothing |
| 21:33.50 | Sokini_ | valdyn: ? |
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| 21:34.34 | valdyn | Sokini_: no feedback is good feedback, thats for "hash -r" |
| 21:34.48 | Sokini_ | valdyn: oh, okay |
| 21:34.57 | Sokini_ | valdyn: what to do now, try again? |
| 21:35.04 | valdyn | Sokini_: run "sudo ls", does that work? |
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| 21:35.47 | Sokini_ | yup |
| 21:36.12 | somiaj | Sokini_: p.d.o says no package contains teh file /usr/bin/add-apt-repository |
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| 21:36.33 | valdyn | python-software-properties: /usr/bin/add-apt-repository |
| 21:36.44 | valdyn | thats probably not in squeeze, I wouldnt know |
| 21:36.58 | babilen | ,file /usr/bin/add-apt-repository |
| 21:37.00 | Sokini_ | i have the wheezy repo enabled |
| 21:37.01 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:37.01 | babilen | ,file /usr/bin/add-apt-repository --release wheezy |
| 21:37.04 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/add-apt-repository in wheezy/i386: python-software-properties: usr/bin/add-apt-repository |
| 21:37.08 | valdyn | try "add-apt-repository" without sudo |
| 21:37.44 | Sokini_ | valdyn: same result |
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| 21:37.58 | valdyn | Sokini_: same result as what? |
| 21:38.11 | th0r | Sokini_: is add-apt-repository marked as executable? |
| 21:38.12 | Sokini_ | valdyn: as with sudo : not found |
| 21:38.19 | Sokini_ | th0r: yes |
| 21:38.29 | somiaj | Sokini_: the binary add-apt-repository is not in squeeze (stable) which you said you are running. Did you install the squeeze version of the package and expect it to have a testing binary it seems. |
| 21:38.32 | valdyn | Sokini_: "ls -l /usr/bin/add-apt-repository" |
| 21:38.40 | somiaj | Sokini_: the packge is in stable, but the file is not in that package yet. |
| 21:38.55 | valdyn | Sokini_: paste the output of that ls command |
| 21:39.02 | Sokini_ | i had the same problem with a binary in the android sdk |
| 21:39.39 | Sokini_ | valdyn: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2 oct. 23:38 /usr/bin/apt-add-repository -> add-apt-repository |
| 21:39.51 | Sokini_ | somiaj: i installed it from wheezy |
| 21:40.04 | valdyn | Sokini_: so its a link that links to itself |
| 21:40.05 | Sokini_ | somiaj: (apt-get -t wheezy ) |
| 21:40.14 | valdyn | Sokini_: that file does not really exist |
| 21:40.34 | Sokini_ | valdyn: ? |
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| 21:40.49 | Sokini_ | valdyn: how the hell did that happen? |
| 21:41.24 | Sokini_ | valdyn: i installed the package from the official repo... |
| 21:41.30 | valdyn | Sokini_: i dont know what you did, purge the package, remove that file and install it again |
| 21:41.33 | somiaj | Sokini_: so you are mixing stable and wheezy packages. No wonder you have problems. Don't mix debian versions. |
| 21:41.52 | Sokini_ | somiaj: well, everything else works |
| 21:42.09 | valdyn | judd: versions add-apt-repository |
| 21:42.10 | judd | No package named 'add-apt-repository' was found in i386. |
| 21:42.24 | valdyn | judd: versions python-software-properties |
| 21:42.24 | judd | Package: python-software-properties on i386 -- lenny: 0.60.debian-1.1; squeeze: 0.60.debian-3; sid: 0.76.7debian2+nmu1; wheezy: 0.76.7debian2+nmu1; experimental: 0.80.6debian1 |
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| 21:42.37 | Sokini_ | somiaj: i have an apt-rule which makes it install only squeeze packages unless i ask for it |
| 21:42.50 | valdyn | Sokini_: since this is the same package that im using, you must have broken this |
| 21:42.55 | Sokini_ | somiaj: and i ask for it only in rare occasions |
| 21:42.58 | somiaj | Sokini_: well what happens is the package from wheezy depends on other packages from wheezy, and if you follow though all the depends you end up make your core system testing which could have some strange effects with other packages. |
| 21:43.06 | Sokini_ | valdyn: okay, let's go for reinstallation |
| 21:43.36 | somiaj | Sokini_: no...make a backport...its not about the package you want to isntall, its about all of the depends getting pulled in with it. |
| 21:43.36 | Sokini_ | somiaj: i have in total 8 packages from wheezy, including dependencues |
| 21:43.56 | somiaj | Sokini_: downgrade them all to stable and then make yourself a backport if you really need this one package. |
| 21:43.59 | Sokini_ | somiaj: and i'm watching them |
| 21:44.16 | Sokini_ | somiaj: why? it's always been working |
| 21:44.46 | Sokini_ | anyway, working now after reinstallation |
| 21:44.56 | Sokini_ | thanks a lot guys |
| 21:44.58 | somiaj | Sokini_: then have a borken system that will have random bugs and not be supported by debian. |
| 21:45.40 | Sokini_ | somiaj: okay, i'm gonna do that |
| 21:45.48 | Sokini_ | thanks a lot! |
| 21:46.51 | somiaj | Sokini_: /msg dpkg ssbp (building backports is the prefered way to get yourself a testing package) |
| 21:47.04 | somiaj | Sokini_: you can build bakports from either testing or sid (though the factoid says sid) |
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| 21:48.35 | Sokini_ | somiaj: and what is the difference with a package installed from wheezy directly? |
| 21:49.27 | somiaj | Sokini_: its all about the depends. When you build a backport it will link against the depends in stable. If you pull in a wheezy package you will most likely pull in all of its depends from wheezy as well |
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| 21:49.51 | Sokini_ | okay |
| 21:49.55 | Sokini_ | got it |
| 21:49.58 | somiaj | Sokini_: since most packages depend on the core (libc6 and a few others) they will get upgraded to the wheezy version to meet the depends, and then many packages start to have errors because of changing the core. (: |
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| 21:57.55 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Are you there still? |
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| 21:58.05 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: yup |
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| 21:58.43 | tetreb | Tasksel aborted again with a 1GB HDD in Virtualbox. I went to manual partitioning and let it automatically create one 900MB "/" and 100MB "swap". Again, only "standard tools" was selected in tasksel. "dpkg: failed to write status database record about 'menu' to '/var/lib/dpkg/status': no space left on device" |
| 21:58.44 | iq-9 | Okay, i went away too. Sorry about that. I tried to do edit /home/user/.xinitrc like you said, but it is blank when I open it with a text editor |
| 21:58.49 | iq-9 | So that cannot be the path |
| 21:59.10 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: nope, that's right |
| 21:59.16 | iq-9 | Also, two kill two ducks in a row, I want KDE |
| 21:59.17 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: it's a settings file that's normally nonexistent |
| 21:59.24 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: ah, cool |
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| 21:59.27 | Sebastian_ | hey there, I'm trying to get a list of reverse dependencies for a package that I have installed. apt-cache rdepends shows all reverse dependencies, whether I actually have a version of the package installed or not. Is there an easy way? I didn't find anything obvious while searching. Thanks! |
| 21:59.32 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: this might be a gnome problem anyways, so that could be a good idea |
| 21:59.45 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, How do I switch the GUI? |
| 22:00.32 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: I would install kde first, then remove gnome. |
| 22:00.37 | somiaj | tetreb: what are you trying to install? A DE can easily be over 1GB. Also if your downloading everything over the net /var/cache/apt/archives will have to fill up with the packages so you many need extra space to store the packages before you isntall them. |
| 22:00.47 | windparadise | hello,pls i have a virtual path configuraiton at http://pastebin.com/rWefz9uk I want to specify a different host path apart from /var/www how do I run that configuration? can someone pls assist? |
| 22:01.18 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Can you point me to the documentation that shows me to switch gui's? |
| 22:01.39 | somiaj | Sebastian_: there use to be a package called deborphan which would look for libs that don't have anything that depends on them. Maybe it has options. |
| 22:01.45 | tetreb | somiaj: Thanks about te cache hint. It's Debian stable businesscard iso, no DE, just the standard tools option is selected. |
| 22:01.47 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: to install KDE: http://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
| 22:02.01 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: to remove gnome, just remove an essential genome package using the apt-get autoremove command |
| 22:02.02 | tetreb | somiaj: I'll try a different image. |
| 22:02.10 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: e.g. apt-get autoremove nautilus |
| 22:02.26 | Sebastian_ | somiaj: !!! deborphan -d |
| 22:02.27 | Sebastian_ | thanks! |
| 22:02.31 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: you also might want to throw in a --purge command, if this is a fresh installation (it will delete gnome-related configs, possibly some other configs) |
| 22:02.54 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: at some point while you're installing kde, it should let you choose kdm as your login manager (do this!). |
| 22:02.57 | somiaj | tetreb: problem is the business card iso only contains the base system, it will have to download any additional packages from teh net first. Maybe using cd1 or dvd1 image will make it so all the packages are on your install media and not having to be stored in your limited image |
| 22:03.22 | somiaj | Sebastian_: yea don't hear much about deborphan anymore with the 'manual' and 'auto' flags in apt to detected orphaned libaries |
| 22:03.22 | tetreb | somiaj: Thanks, I'm downloading another iso. :) |
| 22:03.42 | dvs | which one? |
| 22:04.33 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: incidentally, I recommend trying out xfce, at least on a virtualbox installation (and if you're using testing). xfce 4.8 is pretty great. |
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| 22:05.11 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Thanks for that. I used XFCE on laptops, but for Desktops, I want my eyecandy |
| 22:05.13 | daveo | iq-9: +1 for xfce or lxde |
| 22:05.42 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: you can have eyecandy w/ xfce :). You just switch out the window manager for compiz. |
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| 22:06.08 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: but of course desktop choice is entirely subjective. I just used to be a kde user for a loooooong time until xfce 4.8 came out. |
| 22:06.12 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, What about dual screens? |
| 22:06.23 | Shirakawasuna | I've never used dual screen, so I dunno |
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| 22:07.18 | Shirakawasuna | not trying to bother you, though, just wanted to say that xfce's much better than the last time I used it ;) |
| 22:07.51 | joe788 | hello |
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| 22:10.03 | joe788 | anyone want to chat? |
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| 22:12.11 | joe788 | What is everyone here for? |
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| 22:12.40 | windparadise | hello, pls I want to automatically create an ftp account which will only mind his own created folder, he shouldn't look for a folder above or aside what is been dedicated to it |
| 22:12.47 | windparadise | how do I run that configuration? |
| 22:13.17 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I got a lot of messages about 'could not resolve mirror' |
| 22:13.40 | iq-9 | I guess I have to switch mirrors, how would I do that? |
| 22:13.42 | somiaj | windparadise: look up chroot ftp -- you can chroot the ftp account into its 'directory' to keep them there. How you set this up may depend on the ftp server you are using. |
| 22:13.53 | somiaj | iq-9: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:14.05 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: maybe. You might just need to connect to the internet |
| 22:14.10 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: ping www.google.com |
| 22:14.19 | somiaj | iq-9: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ for a lit of mirrors |
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| 22:15.15 | joe788 | hey Kaede |
| 22:15.25 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Ahh, my internet is not connected to the desktop. Now ownder |
| 22:15.29 | iq-9 | wonder |
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| 22:15.50 | windparadise | somiaj: I am using proftpd |
| 22:16.00 | bla | I'm kind off not updated. How one configures touchpad/compose key in wheezy? (No Hal exists in system and no X configs either) |
| 22:16.36 | somiaj | windparadise: well then look up 'proftpd chroot' I don't use ftp servers and would have to look up how to configure them |
| 22:16.54 | windparadise | ok |
| 22:17.00 | peterrooney | joe788: discussion about using debian operating system, /topic for particulars. |
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| 22:17.10 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I guess I have to re-install to get the networking part sorted out. I thought it would automatically configure |
| 22:17.17 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: no, you should be ok |
| 22:17.17 | iq-9 | I guess not |
| 22:17.21 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: dhcpcd eth0 |
| 22:17.30 | somiaj | bla: if xorg isn't detecting your settings the new way is to put config files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d -- just put in the section to configure your touchpad -- the syntax hasnt' changed that much, its just the full config isn't needed anymore with auto detection. |
| 22:17.30 | Shirakawasuna | once it's plugged in |
| 22:17.45 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Command not found |
| 22:17.51 | bla | somiaj, cool, thanks. |
| 22:18.18 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: hmm. There's probably another option. |
| 22:18.33 | somiaj | bla: you could generate a whole xorg.conf file, but I kinda like the xorg.conf.d way of being able to split up the configs for orginization. |
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| 22:19.20 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: does 'ifconfig' list eth0? |
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| 22:19.40 | roothorick | Googling has proven inconclusive... what's the "official" way to load iptables rules at startup? |
| 22:19.47 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, no, just lo |
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| 22:20.04 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: type 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 22:20.41 | dvs | get out! |
| 22:20.43 | Sebastian_ | How can I uninstall a broken package? |
| 22:20.43 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Okay, I see them all now |
| 22:20.56 | somiaj | roothorick: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 22:21.02 | Bushmills | roothorick: an up action hook in interfaces is one way |
| 22:21.10 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: if eth0 is there, type 'ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 22:21.32 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: then when you type 'ifconfig' only, it should show up (the interface is enabled) |
| 22:21.32 | somiaj | Sebastian_: what do you mean broken? |
| 22:21.35 | Shirakawasuna | nice |
| 22:21.57 | somiaj | Sebastian_: dpkg -r, dpkg --purge, apt-get (or aptitidue) remove |
| 22:22.16 | Sebastian_ | somiaj: I am trying apt-get purge libssl1.0.0 and I get an E: Broken packages complaing about libssl1.0.0 |
| 22:22.49 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: basically, we want to enable eth0. Then, because you don't have dhcpcd, we need to set up your interface manually. All this means is that we define an ip for your interface and tell it where to look for your router. |
| 22:22.50 | somiaj | Sebastian_: that error dosen't seem that useful, wonder which packages are complaining. :/ |
| 22:23.00 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: so first, ifconfig eth0 up. |
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| 22:23.07 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, done |
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| 22:23.46 | Sebastian_ | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/DC1MqS2d |
| 22:23.49 | Bushmills | Sebastian_: aptitude may give better results |
| 22:23.56 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 22:23.56 | dpkg | aptitude is, like, a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 22:24.09 | Sebastian_ | Bushmills: thanks |
| 22:24.28 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Next? |
| 22:24.55 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: then we need to know what your router's ip is. Probably 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:25.06 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: you can guess it based on another computer's ip address |
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| 22:26.40 | somiaj | Shirakawasuna: dhcpcd isn't usually installed by default, he probabaly has a dhcpclient and an simple /etc/network/interfaces line may be simpler. |
| 22:27.42 | Shirakawasuna | ah right |
| 22:27.46 | Shirakawasuna | dhclient |
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| 22:28.34 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: run dhclient eth0 |
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| 22:30.40 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Thant command got the internet connected |
| 22:30.43 | iq-9 | thanks |
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| 22:32.12 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: nice |
| 22:32.38 | windparadise | hello, pls what is the correction option to use ? I have this error alex@storecomplex:/webuser# tar -zjvf gnupanel.tar.bz2 tar: Conflicting compression options |
| 22:32.48 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I want to see what the world of debian can bring me |
| 22:32.59 | fram | xjvf |
| 22:33.10 | somiaj | windparadise: 'z' means 'gz2' and 'j' means 'bz2', you want an 'x' for extract instaed of a 'z' |
| 22:33.24 | somiaj | windparadise: arg 'z' means 'gzip' or '.gz' |
| 22:33.30 | windparadise | ? |
| 22:33.54 | fredden | windparadise, try "tar xjvf gnupanel.tar.bz2" |
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| 22:34.02 | windparadise | ok |
| 22:34.10 | somiaj | windparadise: each letter in your zjvf means one option. 'z' and 'j' are two different types of compression. You want a 'xjvf' because you want to 'x' extract and 'j' bz2 file |
| 22:34.35 | windparadise | ok' |
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| 22:34.45 | fredden | windparadise, "v" is for verbose, and "f" is "use the following file" |
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| 22:35.56 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:36.08 | lenswipe | can someone tell me how to install the latest firefox on debian? |
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| 22:36.52 | fredden | lenswipe, instructions here http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:36.57 | lenswipe | thx |
| 22:37.14 | lenswipe | fredden, uh thats for iceweasel |
| 22:37.23 | lenswipe | i dont want iceweasel i want firefox |
| 22:37.24 | fredden | lenswipe, yes |
| 22:37.26 | streuner | !iceweasel |
| 22:37.27 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 22:37.40 | lenswipe | streuner, i know what iceweasel is |
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| 22:38.00 | fredden | lenswipe, in that case you may want to compile your own |
| 22:38.03 | streuner | well, if you using Debian, just use iceweasel then |
| 22:38.07 | lenswipe | streuner, i dont want iceweasel because its fucking ancient |
| 22:38.14 | lenswipe | 3.5 or something |
| 22:38.17 | PerfDave | lenswipe: You're asking a different question |
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| 22:38.31 | PerfDave | "How do I get the most recent version of a Firefox-based browser" |
| 22:38.38 | streuner | lenswipe: its in Debian 7.0 |
| 22:38.45 | fredden | lenswipe, I'm using v7.0.1 with instructions here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:38.57 | fredden | lenswipe, on squeeze |
| 22:39.05 | lenswipe | streuner, whats in debian 7.0 iceweasel or firefox 7? |
| 22:39.07 | magyar | hi, trying to install squeeze from dvd-1. When I get to the point of configuring software raid it will not assemble the devices. Why? |
| 22:39.27 | streuner | lenswipe: iceweasel, which missed some icons and nonsense |
| 22:39.56 | lenswipe | streuner, does it have the UI and the features? |
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| 22:40.17 | Shirakawasuna | iceweasel is firefox, lenswipe |
| 22:40.22 | Shirakawasuna | it just has the branding removed |
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| 22:40.31 | lenswipe | Shirakawasuna, i know what iceweasel is |
| 22:41.01 | Shirakawasuna | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
| 22:41.08 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
| 22:41.09 | streuner | lenswipe: there should be some binaries for Linux , just download that, but you dont really need that... |
| 22:41.14 | fram | use chrome :) |
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| 22:41.44 | th0r | lenswipe: why don't you just install firefox from the mozilla site? |
| 22:41.45 | fredden | lenswipe, what are you trying to get/install/have ? |
| 22:41.50 | lenswipe | fram, i have chrome, but i want firefox too |
| 22:42.07 | lenswipe | th0r, because it comes as a .tar.bz2 with no instructions |
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| 22:42.26 | lenswipe | fredden, im trying to install firefox 7 on debian squeeze - read the question |
| 22:42.51 | Shirakawasuna | if you want an icon, you download the package from mozilla, lenswipe. As in you go to the firefox website. |
| 22:42.52 | th0r | lenswipe: it's kinda tough. download the tar.bz2, put the files from there in /opt/firefox, then create a link from /opt/firefox/firefox to /usr/local/bin. |
| 22:43.06 | Shirakawasuna | lenswipe: alternatively you find someone who has a custom repository (you can google this as well as we can) |
| 22:43.13 | th0r | lenswipe: and as you can see it doesn't deserve the language |
| 22:44.03 | Shirakawasuna | lenswipe: if you can't figure out the firefox tar.gz, you don't need the icon that badly. Because that's seriously all you would be getting by not using iceweasel. |
| 22:44.05 | fredden | lenswipe, instructions here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ where "iceweasel" is "firefox" without mozilla branding - this is what you want. |
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| 22:44.30 | lenswipe | Shirakawasuna, ill take th0r's suggestion rather than using ice-weasel since the ice-weasel packages available for debian probably predate my birth by about 40 years |
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| 22:44.41 | streuner | fredden: didnt he told us what iceweael is? after he told us that he using 3.5? :-/ |
| 22:44.42 | somiaj | lenswipe: firefox 7 is not in debian squeeze, so you have to go outside of debian to get it. You could use mozilla.debian.net packages, you could install the binaries from mozilla.org, you could make a backport from sid (/msg dpkg ssbp) -- its possible and you have your options. |
| 22:44.47 | fram | I hear a troll a-coming... |
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| 22:44.54 | lenswipe | fredden, yes indeed ice-weasel is firefox - problem is all the debian packages are frikkin ancient |
| 22:44.58 | Shirakawasuna | lenswipe: you clearly didn't read anything I wrote, lol. You can help yourself ;) |
| 22:45.10 | fredden | lenswipe, what version would you like? |
| 22:45.11 | Shirakawasuna | lenswipe: here's a hint: one of the links I gave you proves you wrong. |
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| 22:45.18 | streuner | *PLONK* |
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| 22:45.30 | [matsalleh] | What's the easiest way to limit the bandwidth on an interface? |
| 22:45.40 | streuner | via software |
| 22:45.56 | streuner | (if its supported) |
| 22:45.58 | [matsalleh] | strayer, Could you be more specific? |
| 22:46.01 | lenswipe | Shirakawasuna, heres a hint when i type.....you know what i cant even be bothered with this |
| 22:46.02 | [matsalleh] | woops |
| 22:46.05 | [matsalleh] | I mean streuner |
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| 22:46.46 | th0r | lenswipe: and that attitude is what kept me from answering earlier. you would probably be happier elsewhere |
| 22:46.47 | Shirakawasuna | lenswipe: I think it's time for you to leave, troll. |
| 22:46.48 | fredden | lenswipe, browse here: http://mozilla.debian.net/, choose your debian version (squeeze), choose the software you want (iceweasel), choose the version you want (release), follow instructions |
| 22:47.09 | lenswipe | th0r, its actually your solution im going to try FYI |
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| 22:48.14 | merlin1991 | I'm trying to set up a small nas wich means debian + openssh + samba for me, I want to put debian on an as small as possible partition and mount the rest of avaiaible hdd space somewhere to /var, how big should I make the system partition? |
| 22:48.24 | lenswipe | Shirakawasuna, wikipedia defines trolling as "someone who posts inflammatory extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community" since you're the one making me angry i would say that makes you not me the troll. Goodbye troll |
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| 22:50.41 | streuner | dpkg, bandwidth_limiting_howto |
| 22:50.41 | dpkg | well, bandwidth_limiting_howto is http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Bandwidth-Limiting-HOWTO.html |
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| 22:52.13 | [matsalleh] | streuner, thanks |
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| 22:52.48 | samuel | hello guys |
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| 22:53.17 | samuel | I have a problem when booting, on every boot the system always stalls at "udevd inotify_add_watch... file or directory not found" - is there any way I can shorten the boot stall of this? |
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| 22:57.54 | blahblah33 | testing |
| 22:58.02 | streuner | failed |
| 22:58.07 | blahblah33 | noted |
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| 23:08.09 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I can login to my gui, but apart from a terminal window, the screen looks like a rebus puzzle |
| 23:08.34 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: what have you done so far? |
| 23:08.46 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I looked up the page to install the KDE packages |
| 23:08.54 | iq-9 | I uninstalled gnome |
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| 23:10.14 | iq-9 | Debian is a lot more complicated to install than I thought |
| 23:10.34 | streuner | crap |
| 23:11.02 | somiaj | iq-9: you would suggested not to remove gnome until you got kde installed. How did you install kde? |
| 23:11.27 | iq-9 | http://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
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| 23:13.38 | bla | iq-9, try 'startkde' in that terminal after login |
| 23:13.45 | merlin1991 | guys I'M |
| 23:13.50 | bla | iq-9, you'd have to configure login manager to start KDE somehow. |
| 23:13.59 | merlin1991 | about to partition the nas now, any concrete ideas? |
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| 23:16.51 | merlin1991 | okay hm another question, having put the netinst iso onto a usb drive, the system fails to "mount" the cd to continue, where do I have to mount the usb stick to so it can continue? |
| 23:17.41 | dvs | merlin1991: ???? How did you "put" the netinst iso onto the USB drive? |
| 23:17.44 | iq-9 | bla nice, how do I configure login manager to start kde? |
| 23:18.24 | merlin1991 | dvs: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.de#usb-copy-easy |
| 23:19.04 | dvs | merlin1991: try section 4.3 instead. |
| 23:19.10 | dvs | if it's debian 6.0 |
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| 23:19.33 | bla | iq-9, depends on login manager. I use exotic one so I can't really help. |
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| 23:19.40 | merlin1991 | it's debian 6.0, but I got a kernel up and running, so if I mount it myself I guess the installer can continue |
| 23:19.53 | merlin1991 | my only problem is, that I don't know where it wants the "cd" content |
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| 23:21.12 | somiaj | merlin1991: check your /etc/apt/sources.list (see where it thinks the cdrom is), probabaly /media/cdrom or /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:21.13 | mplabs | Hello |
| 23:21.17 | dvs | merlin1991: Using the method you specified, you put the iso image on the USB drive too |
| 23:21.44 | mplabs | how do I set dvorak intl with dead keys? I couldn't find how to do so using setxkbmap, I can using the keyboard settings (in the control panel) |
| 23:21.57 | merlin1991 | dvs I'm sorry, I actually meant the top thing |
| 23:22.07 | mplabs | same question for us intl with dead keys :| |
| 23:22.46 | merlin1991 | tbh I seem to have run into a different manual when browsing from my other machine |
| 23:22.46 | dvs | merlin1991: Then there's nothing else to do. You specify an Internet location to download the rest of the files. |
| 23:22.51 | iq-9 | bla Why is it that hard to switch GUI's? |
| 23:22.57 | merlin1991 | becuase it suggest to cat the netinst.iso to the usb /dev device |
| 23:23.11 | merlin1991 | but reading it again I can't find that here now |
| 23:23.33 | bla | iq-9, why? In my setup I just write 'xmonad' in ~/.xinitrc to get it working. |
| 23:23.34 | dvs | merlin1991: What cat command did you use? |
| 23:23.36 | merlin1991 | I'll get the boot.img and try again |
| 23:23.42 | merlin1991 | cat debisa |
| 23:23.44 | merlin1991 | sry |
| 23:23.54 | merlin1991 | cat debian... > /dev/sdb |
| 23:23.55 | dvs | merlin1991: you said you used the iso image. |
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| 23:25.02 | merlin1991 | I'm checking my browser history on the ubuntu box to find the manual I followed |
| 23:25.15 | samuel | I have a problem when booting, on every boot the system always stalls at "udevd inotify_add_watch... file or directory not found" - is there any way I can shorten the boot stall of this? |
| 23:25.55 | iq-9 | This is borked |
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| 23:27.21 | merlin1991 | dvs this is the manual I actually followed: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:28.04 | dvs | merlin1991: which section? |
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| 23:28.33 | merlin1991 | first section wich suggest to get a cd / dvd image that fits your pendrive and just cat it onto it |
| 23:28.46 | dvs | merlin1991: section 4.3.1 is what I'd use. |
| 23:28.57 | merlin1991 | yes that's what I followed |
| 23:29.12 | merlin1991 | ended up with the installer complaining about not being able to mount the cd content |
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| 23:29.37 | dvs | merlin1991: If you used that command then it shouldn't ask for a CD. |
| 23:29.55 | dvs | and you don't need an .img file either. |
| 23:30.00 | merlin1991 | well bite me, I did cat the netinst.iso onto my usb drive and tried to boot it |
| 23:30.04 | merlin1991 | and it DID ask for cd |
| 23:30.28 | dvs | merlin1991: What was the exact command you used? |
| 23:30.58 | merlin1991 | cat debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb |
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| 23:31.26 | merlin1991 | afaik that's a straight write iso to usb drive (sdb is the usb drive, I checked when plugging it in in dmesg) |
| 23:31.40 | dvs | merlin1991: Ok, that's right. Did you specify a Debian mirror site when prompted? |
| 23:31.51 | merlin1991 | I never got that prompt |
| 23:32.01 | merlin1991 | I prompted for keyboard layout and location |
| 23:32.08 | merlin1991 | then complained about cdrom |
| 23:32.18 | merlin1991 | s/I/it/ |
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| 23:34.05 | dvs | That's strange. It's suppose to ask for a Debian mirror after that. |
| 23:34.55 | merlin1991 | I just tried again, and it asked the keyboard layout + region and then complained about cdrom |
| 23:35.27 | merlin1991 | the weird thing is, that I can't mount the stick either |
| 23:35.45 | dvs | merlin1991: Did you boot up off the USB stick? |
| 23:35.52 | merlin1991 | in the console a mount /dev/db1 /mnt/test (test exists) fails with invalid argument |
| 23:35.54 | merlin1991 | yes i did |
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| 23:37.49 | mplabs | how is the settings panel called? I want to execute using the command line |
| 23:37.54 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: sorry, i decided to have yet another coffee |
| 23:38.29 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: Did you install kde-desktop or something else? |
| 23:38.32 | dvs | merlin1991: I'd try CD1 if it will fit. |
| 23:38.39 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I think the best way is to install with a KDE disc. I saw a site that has it, but the link is dead |
| 23:38.54 | merlin1991 | dvs what do you mean? |
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| 23:39.32 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, I have a KDE screen I logged into, but there are errors everywhere |
| 23:39.32 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: well, there's two competing objectives. The first is learning linux + debian. The other is remaining sane. I think you should try and install KDE and remove gnome, get everything working, to learn some good linux/debian stuff. But if it's making you crazy, installing a kde disk is acceptable ;) |
| 23:39.34 | PerfM | YAAAAAAAYYY!! |
| 23:39.35 | PerfM | WOOOO |
| 23:39.37 | iq-9 | And I cannot auto login |
| 23:39.39 | PerfM | ALRIGHHHTTT!!!! |
| 23:39.58 | mplabs | ahm, maybe I can fix my problem if there's a way to know what keyboard map the system is using, something like getxkbmap, is there anything like that? |
| 23:40.06 | dvs | merlin1991: cat debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 23:40.14 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: how did you install kde? |
| 23:40.41 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, through that link yuo sent me |
| 23:40.43 | merlin1991 | ah I see, I was still mentally trying to mount the thing so that cd1 didn't fit :P |
| 23:40.59 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: but that link listed at least three different ways to do it |
| 23:40.59 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, http://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
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| 23:41.20 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, The big install |
| 23:41.41 | windparadise | hello, pls where is my apache logs files are located again? |
| 23:41.53 | merlin1991 | dvs and I can tell the "offline" installer to use the net instead? |
| 23:41.56 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: so basically this? apt-get install aptitude tasksel && aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ |
| 23:42.10 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Yeah |
| 23:42.13 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: k |
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| 23:42.21 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: did you then remove gnome? |
| 23:42.39 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, yep |
| 23:42.48 | icaunus | i cant start NFS anymore, not even after a reinstall of nfs-common, is this a known bug? (debian 6.02) |
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| 23:43.31 | helpshae | windparadise, apache logs are usually in /var/log/ |
| 23:43.41 | dvs | merlin1991: Yes |
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| 23:43.42 | windparadise | hello, pls I am in trouble, |
| 23:43.54 | PerfM | windparadise, have no fear! |
| 23:43.57 | PerfM | PERFM IS HERE |
| 23:43.57 | burd | all logs are in /var/log |
| 23:44.02 | merlin1991 | still trying the img thing first, because the cd1 iso dl still takes another 16 min :D |
| 23:44.09 | windparadise | I can't install gnupanel, it has changed all my hosting account |
| 23:44.18 | PerfM | windparadise, oh dear, you are in trouble |
| 23:44.44 | windparadise | currently I am faced with connectioon refused |
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| 23:45.31 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: did it ask you to select a login manager? |
| 23:46.29 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Yep |
| 23:46.31 | Shirakawasuna | k |
| 23:46.38 | windparadise | I am faced with forbidden on my webhosting |
| 23:47.17 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: do the problem is again that you login, but your screen gets corrupted at some point? (when?) |
| 23:47.22 | windparadise | when tried to open my site, I got an errror of You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 23:47.36 | windparadise | what can I do pls? I think this is permission issue |
| 23:47.40 | windparadise | adding users |
| 23:47.46 | windparadise | and changing permissions |
| 23:47.47 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, When I log in |
| 23:47.51 | windparadise | what do I do? |
| 23:47.52 | PerfM | windparadise, you know, I'm just not to sure. |
| 23:48.09 | PerfM | windparadise, I dont think there is anything you can do. Embrace the change |
| 23:48.10 | PerfM | accept it |
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| 23:48.19 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, When I login I get the terminal, so I type startkde and I get kde, but also a termal loaded with stuff going nuts |
| 23:48.23 | PerfM | everything happens for a reason |
| 23:48.36 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: that's strange. It shouldn't give you a terminal when you login. |
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| 23:48.51 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, When I shut the terminal down, I get booted out of the OS |
| 23:48.55 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: right |
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| 23:49.08 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: at the kdm login screen, change the session to kde. |
| 23:49.12 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: it's probably set to something else |
| 23:49.40 | Tigerboy | Xsession has been changed to append again and is causing stations to run out of space. This happened a few months ago. I fixed it but I don't know what the problem is with the thing reappearing. |
| 23:50.31 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Ahhh, pfff...I'm in! hahaha |
| 23:50.35 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, Thanks! |
| 23:50.39 | PerfM | OMG MEE TOO |
| 23:50.41 | PerfM | yaaaaay |
| 23:50.58 | PerfM | highfives iq-9 and Shirakawasuna |
| 23:51.28 | Shirakawasuna | iq-9: you're welcome! |
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| 23:54.37 | PerfM | omg, HI RWW |
| 23:54.55 | rww | hi PerfM |
| 23:55.24 | merlin1991 | dvs I'm starting to think that the usb stick might be faulty, following 4.3.2 I can't mount the resulting stick complaining about bad superblock |
| 23:55.27 | PerfM | rww, this channel is so unfriendly, I just ^5'd two people and didn't get any back. |
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| 23:55.47 | rww | PerfM: It's a support channel, that's how support channels work. Try #debian-offtopic. |
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| 23:56.44 | Konroes | "speaking as a fellow victim on the matter of male genital mutilation/male circumcision i feel that this is one of those matters that can totally at times even irreversibly destroy the trusting relationship that comes to exist over time between ones self and their parents on the matter." |
| 23:56.45 | PerfM | well, fair nuff, support channels are full of prudes. |
| 23:56.47 | dvs | merlin1991: That'll do ti. |
| 23:56.49 | dvs | it |
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| 23:57.09 | dvs | merlin1991: You could try dd but I think it will be the same thing. |
| 23:57.22 | dvs | merlin1991: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 23:57.22 | merlin1991 | anyway, trying to cat the cd1 iso, and after that it's time to try another stick |
| 23:57.31 | Konroes | " i was 27 years old at the time when i made my mother explain to me why she had me circumcised asa infant and when she explained to me it was because of hers and dads families collective will and their christian religion i went and backhand slapped her one time across the face with my right hand" |
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| 23:58.07 | rww | Konroes: Not that silliness again. Stop it. |
| 23:58.17 | merlin1991 | wonders if that sony warning about never ever using your own tool to repartition the stick holds any truth |
| 23:58.32 | merlin1991 | (that would be the next stick to try) |
| 23:58.38 | Konroes | rww: It's not funny. It's a man's lifelong pain and suffering. |
| 23:58.58 | rww | Konroes: It's also rather offtopic for all the channels I've seen you mention it in. |
| 23:59.04 | iq-9 | Shirakawasuna, The next thing is getting nvidia drivers running. I tried this page, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but a lot of the commands do not work |