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| 00:39.31 | Miesco_ | I do: aplay file.wav, but I get: |
| 00:39.44 | Miesco_ | aplay: set_params:1116: Unable to install hw params: |
| 00:39.53 | Miesco_ | What kind of permissions do I need for this? |
| 00:39.56 | Miesco_ | it works as root... |
| 00:40.40 | cemiotic | Miesco_: check if you have audio permissions |
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| 00:40.54 | Miesco_ | cemiotic: I am in the audio group... |
| 00:41.02 | Miesco_ | cemiotic: is that what you meant? |
| 00:41.12 | cemiotic | yea |
| 00:41.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Miesco_: were you in the group when you logged in? |
| 00:41.38 | Miesco_ | I think so |
| 00:41.42 | Miesco_ | I'll relogin |
| 00:41.45 | Miesco_ | one sec |
| 00:42.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | k |
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| 00:44.24 | Miesco_ | k reloged in |
| 00:44.38 | Miesco_ | naw still doesn't work |
| 00:45.18 | cemiotic | Miesco_: maybe set up alsamixer properly |
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| 00:46.34 | Wyzard | I don't think there's anything to "set up" about alsamixer besides the volume levels |
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| 00:46.48 | Wyzard | but it'd be interesting to see whether alsamixer *works*, or yields a permission error |
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| 00:47.32 | Miesco_ | I'm trying to play it through my tascam us-122 sound card |
| 00:47.49 | Miesco_ | which alsamixer doesn't support |
| 00:48.09 | Wyzard | alsamixer doesn't know (or care) about specific soundcards afaik |
| 00:48.34 | Wyzard | It just manipulates whatever volume controls are attached to the ALSA device, and those are provided by the driver |
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| 00:48.51 | Miesco_ | When I play it on my onboard sound card it works, when I go to my tascam it gives that error |
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| 00:49.19 | Miesco_ | Like aplay -D hw:0 file.wav works but -D hw:1 doesn't |
| 00:49.19 | Wyzard | alsamixer gives you the permission error too? |
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| 00:49.25 | Miesco_ | Wyzard: no |
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| 00:49.51 | Miesco_ | alsamixer just says it doesn't have any controls for the card |
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| 00:50.49 | Wyzard | hmm, that sounds like this is a driver problem, not a permissions problem |
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| 00:52.10 | Miesco_ | Wyzard: Its the standard snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_usx2y |
| 00:52.22 | Miesco_ | Wyzard: Firmware is loaded |
| 00:52.28 | Miesco_ | I have had this working before |
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| 00:52.35 | Miesco_ | on another linux computer |
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| 00:53.41 | Wyzard | According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TASCAM_US-122 you have to download and install a firmware file for that tascam device |
| 00:53.57 | Miesco_ | Wyzard: I did |
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| 00:54.12 | nevyn | Miesco_: I didn't think the tascam had mixer controls |
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| 00:54.17 | Miesco_ | Wyzard: I got the whole fxload command good |
| 00:54.24 | Miesco_ | nevyn: It doesn't |
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| 00:54.27 | nevyn | Miesco_: does it show up in aplay -l |
| 00:54.30 | nevyn | ? |
| 00:54.32 | Miesco_ | nevyn: yea |
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| 00:54.45 | Miesco_ | card 1: USX2Y [TASCAM US-X2Y], device 0: US-X2Y Audio [US-X2Y Audio #0] |
| 00:55.00 | nevyn | does aplay -d plughw:1 somefile.wav work? |
| 00:55.16 | nevyn | -D even |
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| 00:55.37 | Wyzard | and there's a "usx2yloader" program you apparently have to run to initialize the device, after loading the firmware |
| 00:55.50 | Wyzard | That should be in the alsa-firmware-loaders package |
| 00:55.55 | nevyn | Wyzard: he's way further along than that. |
| 00:56.00 | Miesco_ | Wyzard: Yea I ran that and the sound card lit up like a christmas tree |
| 00:56.06 | nevyn | if it's showing up in alsa.. |
| 00:56.24 | Wyzard | nevyn: Just making sure he didn't miss a step |
| 00:56.37 | Wyzard | Past that point I don't know though; I have no experience with that device |
| 00:56.47 | nevyn | Wyzard: if it's being indexed and recognised by alsa.. then he's got firmware etc loaded. |
| 00:57.02 | nevyn | Miesco_: aplay -D plughw:1 somefile.wav |
| 00:57.12 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Gives the same error |
| 00:57.21 | nevyn | but works as root? |
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| 00:58.08 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/133949/ |
| 00:58.27 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Yea, but I think its cause root is using onboard sound card by default |
| 00:58.34 | nevyn | no no... |
| 00:58.41 | nevyn | Miesco_: aplay -D plughw:1 somefile.wav AS root works? |
| 00:58.42 | Miesco_ | wait i'll try the plughw:1 as root |
| 00:58.46 | nevyn | :) |
| 00:59.03 | Miesco_ | nevyn: No it doesn't |
| 00:59.28 | nevyn | ok so it's not permissions |
| 00:59.44 | Miesco_ | yea |
| 00:59.47 | nevyn | can you pastebin everything from that attempt including the command? |
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| 01:00.10 | nevyn | you did put the word plug in didn't you? |
| 01:00.33 | Miesco_ | aplay -D plughw:1 classical.wav 2>&1 | pastebinit | toirssi |
| 01:00.35 | Miesco_ | all I did |
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| 01:01.30 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:01.31 | Miesco_ | I got alsa-firmware-1.0.19 I think from alsa-project.org |
| 01:01.37 | nevyn | that's pretty old |
| 01:01.40 | nevyn | but should work. |
| 01:01.46 | nevyn | what kernel are you using? |
| 01:02.29 | Miesco_ | latest is 1.0.24 |
| 01:02.38 | nevyn | yeah... |
| 01:02.46 | Miesco_ | nevyn: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 01:02.55 | Miesco_ | nevyn: So 1.0.19 should work? |
| 01:03.06 | nevyn | I doubt the firmware has changed |
| 01:03.20 | nevyn | the alsa drivers are in the kernel. not seperate |
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| 01:03.28 | nevyn | 1.0.19 is only the device firmware |
| 01:03.44 | Miesco_ | Is the firmware mutually exclusive with the drivers? |
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| 01:04.35 | nevyn | the firmware is a blob from tascam. |
| 01:04.43 | nevyn | the driver is written by the alsa devs |
| 01:04.50 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/133949/ |
| 01:05.04 | Miesco_ | Looks like driver errors? |
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| 01:05.40 | Miesco_ | the tascam drivers aren't new to the kernel though and I doubt they changed them |
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| 01:05.59 | Miesco_ | maybe i'm not loading all the kernel modules |
| 01:06.01 | nevyn | no it looks like a format missmatch |
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| 01:06.10 | nevyn | which is why I queried if you were using plug |
| 01:06.31 | nevyn | which does format conversions. |
| 01:06.32 | Miesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.01 | nevyn | ie the soundcard doesn't suport S16_LE 44100 |
| 01:07.13 | ksk | hy |
| 01:07.17 | nevyn | which is reasonably odd. |
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| 01:08.13 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Yea the soundcard is bitchy about formats |
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| 01:08.33 | nevyn | Miesco_: most "pro"ish cards are |
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| 01:14.27 | nevyn | Miesco_: umm I'm not seeing any tascam pcm's there |
| 01:14.32 | nevyn | what's aplay -l say? |
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| 01:15.14 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/133952/ |
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| 01:16.47 | nevyn | Miesco_: so something has gone horribly wrong |
| 01:16.50 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 01:17.00 | nevyn | if you run amidi -l can you see the tascam ? |
| 01:17.15 | nevyn | suspects you don't have audio i/o somehow. |
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| 01:17.51 | tharkun | I just got a Sidewinder Joystick in working conditions, does anyone now of a nice flight simulator for linux |
| 01:18.05 | nevyn | xpilot ? |
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| 01:20.32 | Miesco | nevyn: audio i/o? |
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| 01:20.52 | nevyn | Miesco: does the tascam show up in amidi -l ? |
| 01:20.57 | Miesco | I'll try flipping some switches on the card |
| 01:21.12 | Miesco | nevyn: yea |
| 01:21.58 | nevyn | Miesco: so I think it's showing up in alsa as a midi i/o device but not as a pcm i/o device |
| 01:22.01 | nevyn | check dmesg |
| 01:22.24 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/133953/ |
| 01:22.27 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Look |
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| 01:22.50 | nevyn | hey that looks betterer |
| 01:22.51 | Miesco_ | Most propably some urb of usb-frame 170 is still missing. |
| 01:23.18 | Miesco_ | quote |
| 01:23.26 | nevyn | try aplay -D plughw:1 somewav.wav |
| 01:23.34 | nevyn | Miesco_: source? |
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| 01:24.11 | Miesco_ | nevyn: dmesg |
| 01:24.20 | Miesco_ | Sequence Error!(hcd_frame=353 ep=10out;wait=353,frame=350). |
| 01:24.46 | nevyn | Miesco_: so... |
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| 01:24.58 | nevyn | Miesco_: this device should work with udev stuff ootb these days. |
| 01:25.13 | nevyn | ie it should justwork[TM] when you plug it in. |
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| 01:28.58 | Miesco_ | ah ha! |
| 01:29.02 | Miesco_ | I think its my .asoundrc |
| 01:29.23 | Miesco_ | Caudse when I changed it to this, aplay -L showed the tascam device: |
| 01:29.43 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/133954/ |
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| 01:30.58 | Fernandos | hi |
| 01:31.21 | Fernandos | can a user access files created by www-data? |
| 01:31.39 | Fernandos | and write ^ |
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| 01:32.55 | nevyn | Miesco_: just get rid of it for now |
| 01:33.15 | nevyn | Fernandos: yes... |
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| 01:33.33 | Fernandos | nevyn: hmm how= |
| 01:33.38 | Owner | ping |
| 01:33.46 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Ok, with no .asoundrc I get tascam shown up in aplay -L |
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| 01:35.04 | Miesco_ | Its weird how it can't set hardware parameters |
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| 01:35.30 | Chelsea__ | Can anyone recommend a cli-rss reader? I've been using News/Podbeuter, but i'm missing easy automation. |
| 01:35.38 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Maybe they changed the drivers in recent kernels? |
| 01:35.40 | peterrooney | Fernandos: if user is a member of www-data group, should be possible. Is it what is wanted, or is it what is not wanted? |
| 01:35.56 | nevyn | Miesco_: so with no .asoundrc ... |
| 01:36.05 | nevyn | try aplay -d plughw:1 somewav.wav |
| 01:36.12 | nevyn | biab |
| 01:36.17 | Miesco_ | nevyn: Still the paramater error |
| 01:37.53 | Fernandos | peterrooney: it's wanted. I've files that are owned by www-data that the user should have access to, but he cannot modify those files. And I don't want to give him root access. I already added him to the www-data group, w/o effect. |
| 01:38.02 | Miesco_ | maybe its cause its trying the 44100 |
| 01:38.12 | Miesco_ | I dunno... |
| 01:39.17 | peterrooney | Fernandos: check permissions of files. what does ls -al /var/www/somefile.of.interest show? |
| 01:39.49 | Fernandos | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data |
| 01:40.14 | Fernandos | oh man.. |
| 01:40.26 | Fernandos | so obvious... I didn't see it |
| 01:41.04 | nevyn | Miesco_: so can you reset the device and start from scratch |
| 01:41.15 | nevyn | Miesco_: are you running pulseaudio? |
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| 01:41.24 | peterrooney | Fernandos: you can always blame it on being Monday. |
| 01:41.32 | Miesco_ | nevyn: No i'm not running pulseaudio |
| 01:41.32 | dvs | !coffee Fernandos |
| 01:41.32 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic Tanzanian for Fernandos, courtesy of dvs |
| 01:41.52 | Fernandos | thanks it's almost 4 in the morning and I shouldn't work on the server so late |
| 01:41.58 | nevyn | Fernandos: setfacl |
| 01:42.15 | nevyn | Fernandos: is the other way to do it. |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | Fernandos: sticky bits? |
| 01:42.43 | nevyn | and stickbit on the directory is yet another |
| 01:42.48 | Miesco_ | nevyn: I started over |
| 01:42.48 | nevyn | Fernandos: there's lots of ways |
| 01:42.52 | Miesco_ | nevyn: same thing |
| 01:43.18 | Fernandos | I usualy use chmod.. never heard of setfacl |
| 01:43.40 | nevyn | Miesco_: are you using stable |
| 01:43.45 | Miesco_ | nevyn: yea |
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| 01:43.47 | nevyn | Fernandos: it's posix facl control |
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| 01:44.00 | Fernandos | weird not in apt and not installed localy.. |
| 01:45.00 | nevyn | Fernandos: yeah it is. "acl" is the package name |
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| 01:45.09 | Miesco_ | Maybe its because my usb ports are version 2? |
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| 01:45.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | od, acl ships facl in two places |
| 01:45.16 | nevyn | Miesco_: that's unlikely |
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| 01:48.25 | Miesco_ | "1. the older versions of alsa firmware required a second .tar be downloaded and installed, but with newer versions of the alsa firmware that is no longer required. the older file ezusb.ihx has been since replaced with us122fw.ihx as of now the current fw is alsa-firmware-1.0.24.1" |
| 01:48.56 | Fernandos | nevyn: thanks a lot, that's an effective way to manage acl indeed |
| 01:48.56 | nevyn | yeah |
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| 01:49.13 | nevyn | Fernandos: I'd still use a group |
| 01:49.30 | Fernandos | nevyn: he's member of www-data anyway |
| 01:49.33 | nevyn | Fernandos: and if you can possibly avoid facl's I would |
| 01:49.58 | Fernandos | why avoid, didn't you just suggest that? |
| 01:50.28 | nevyn | Fernandos: so if you want some sort of thing where the permissions for humans on the system and the webserver should be different. |
| 01:50.42 | nevyn | ie named users on the system can modify but www-data can't.. |
| 01:50.49 | nevyn | then it might be a good idea to use facls. |
| 01:51.20 | nevyn | but if both www-data (the webserver and users have the same access to the files I'd use the www-data group |
| 01:51.35 | nevyn | and just change the permissions for group write |
| 01:51.49 | Fernandos | they have the same access, the user doesn't have higher permissions |
| 01:52.11 | nevyn | Fernandos: the reason to avoid them unless you need them. is because we needed to have this discussion for you to know they existed |
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| 01:52.28 | nevyn | they fail the obviousness test |
| 01:52.33 | Fernandos | indeed. |
| 01:52.35 | nevyn | they're sometimes useful. |
| 01:52.42 | nevyn | but if you don't have to don't |
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| 01:58.42 | Miesco_ | I don't know :( |
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| 01:59.00 | Miesco_ | I have to go to bed, i'll have to record my awesome song I wrote later |
| 01:59.36 | Miesco_ | It has to be the kernel drivers |
| 02:00.02 | Miesco_ | I've literally copied all the firmware stuff from a backup of my filesystem when the device worked |
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| 02:01.34 | gonzaloaf | hello, my system is not recognizing my two soundcards, how can I tell Debian I have another soundcard? |
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| 02:02.51 | gonzaloaf | !sound |
| 02:02.51 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>. |
| 02:02.55 | gonzaloaf | !alsa |
| 02:02.55 | dpkg | The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:21.44 | abrotman | maybe lsusb if you're lucky ? |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
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| 02:23.34 | Craigwd_2000 | I've never used it with Windows before either so I don't have its PCI ID available... Lsusb...? Is that like lspci for USB devices & should I pipe its output into less like you'd normally do when running lspci -V -V...? |
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| 02:30.07 | comradekingu | Craigwd_2000: http://wiki.debian.org/PocketWorkstation |
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| 02:42.12 | Craigwd_2000 | Comradekingu: The how-to says it's incompatible with OpenZaurus which is what I current have installed on my SL-5500... I have a kernel & various GUI images for Angstrom... Does this install EmDebian onto a Zaurus...? If it does I'd rather use Angstrom since it's kernel is much newer than Etch's... |
| 02:43.13 | Craigwd_2000 | its* |
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| 02:46.53 | Craigwd_2000 | I currently run GPE on it...; not Opie... I'm also running Hentges which is OZ 3.5.4.1 so some of the bugs in OZ 3.5.4 are fixed...; just in case that how-to is no longer current... |
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| 02:50.45 | nutron | If I buy a hardware pci encryption accelerator card, can I make use of it to lower demand on the cpu when I setup encrypted disk volumes? |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | how often are you doing that? |
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| 02:55.46 | Malsasa | Howdy, Debian Users. |
| 02:56.18 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 02:57.13 | adamS_ | Anyone know of how to strip port 80 of privaleged status on lenny? |
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| 03:02.31 | DasEi | adamS_: you mean closing the port ? |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | adamS_: say what? you mean you want your user to be able to run a server there? |
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| 03:06.55 | Amarande | adamS_, architecture is designed to only allow root to use ports 1-1023 |
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| 03:07.48 | Amarande | in order to run a server on a privileged port as a non-root user, generally the program has to be designed to start as root, open the port while still root and then relinquish the rest of its root privileges |
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| 03:08.15 | Amarande | I think you'd have to actually modify the kernel in order to do otherwise |
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| 03:31.17 | nutron | abrotman: sorry was your question to me? |
| 03:31.55 | Guest98402 | when installing tor, using packages from their repos (and their instructions here: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en) I end up with "tor is a broken package", digging a little deeper, it looks like libssl version inconsistencies: tor: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1) but 0.9.8k-7ubuntu8.6 is installed. |
| 03:32.00 | Guest98402 | bah |
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| 03:32.34 | CrazyGir | what is the best way to resolve something like this? |
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| 03:34.12 | bambanx | how hell i can uninstall wine full ? |
| 03:34.15 | bambanx | sorry formy english |
| 03:34.20 | bambanx | :) |
| 03:36.26 | alfplayer | bambanx: you need more space? |
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| 03:37.43 | bambanx | alfplayer, uh? space no i wanna uninstall wine |
| 03:38.28 | alfplayer | i think it is apt-get purge wine |
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| 03:38.55 | alfplayer | windows data may be lost |
| 03:38.55 | george_ | is there a way I can download all the pdf files on a page using wget? |
| 03:39.21 | alfplayer | bambanx: it should be like the same as any package |
| 03:39.28 | CrazyGir | george_: sure? |
| 03:39.46 | CrazyGir | read the manpage? |
| 03:39.48 | george_ | Craigwd_2000, how would you do it, if you don't mind telling? |
| 03:39.52 | CrazyGir | it tells you what to do.. |
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| 03:40.22 | CrazyGir | use the examples about gifs or pngs (I forget that detail) |
| 03:40.29 | george_ | CrazyGir, lol it's like 200 pages long |
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| 03:40.54 | CrazyGir | shrug |
| 03:41.14 | CrazyGir | I've had to look up that specific detail a few times, and I've never had problems identifying the right page |
| 03:42.49 | george_ | CrazyGir, found out how to do it online actually, faster than man pages, thanks anyway though :) |
| 03:42.56 | CrazyGir | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.10 | george_ | CrazyGir, I guess wget is useful for something |
| 03:43.26 | CrazyGir | it's powerful.. |
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| 03:44.56 | george_ | CrazyGir, weird I did wget -r -A.pdf "the url here" |
| 03:45.05 | george_ | and it ended up downloading every file on the whole server |
| 03:45.12 | george_ | all I wanted was the pdf files weird |
| 03:45.28 | CrazyGir | you copy / pasted from the interwebz |
| 03:46.01 | CrazyGir | that is (not getting the desired results) what you should expect when you don't fully understand what you're doing |
| 03:46.59 | george_ | lol |
| 03:47.05 | CrazyGir | :) |
| 03:47.09 | CrazyGir | there's a tradeoff |
| 03:47.16 | CrazyGir | for that efficiency |
| 03:49.04 | george_ | yep |
| 03:49.11 | george_ | np though, just deleted the files I didn't need |
| 03:49.32 | george_ | so what else can wget do that's helpful, download multiple files, scripting, about all right? |
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| 03:54.26 | CrazyGir | you saw the 200 page manual :P |
| 03:56.16 | george_ | CrazyGir, yeah lol |
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| 04:02.23 | SashaNeko | i have an odd issue |
| 04:02.37 | SashaNeko | and i was wondering if anybody had any ideas |
| 04:03.25 | SashaNeko | i need to block a mac address on my router to get my roomate to pay his part of the internet bill but for some reason the routers wireless client list doesnt work so i need some other way to figure out his mac address. I was wondering if anyone knew any good programs for debian that would allow me to figure out his mac address |
| 04:04.06 | folivora | nmap |
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| 04:04.56 | SashaNeko | i am on the same network as them |
| 04:05.00 | SashaNeko | and i have nmap installed |
| 04:05.11 | folivora | nmap -Pn <your.internal.ip.range>/24 |
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| 04:05.26 | SashaNeko | okay |
| 04:05.34 | folivora | so like this: nmap -Pn 10.10.10.0/24 |
| 04:05.54 | SashaNeko | okay |
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| 04:06.19 | folivora | It will list all ip devices which are somehow on the network and answering. Other option is asking ARP-respond from that network. |
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| 04:06.48 | SashaNeko | oh thats really neat |
| 04:06.50 | folivora | There are lot of network discovery tools for *nix OS |
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| 04:08.12 | SashaNeko | thanks a ton |
| 04:09.04 | folivora | np |
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| 04:24.53 | unforgiven512 | I'm using Debian testing amd64 |
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| 04:31.34 | Craigwd_2000 | George: There's a complete how-to for installing onto a Collie on the Angstrom site... I used their narcissus online image builder to auto-build some GUI images to with the 2.6.27 kernel that I downloaded from their site... |
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| 04:32.35 | Craigwd_2000 | to use with* |
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| 04:36.04 | Craigwd_2000 | There's even an option to build an E17/Englightenment GUI image which seems to work quite well in my limited experience with it... |
| 04:36.25 | Craigwd_2000 | Enlightenment* |
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| 04:45.10 | seanjean718 | hi all, I have a debian testing distribution installed in my production server (squeeze) from 2009. This was done by someone else. and now when I do apt-get update, I get the follwoing message: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY XXXXX. I was wondering how I can resolve this? I b |
| 04:45.10 | seanjean718 | een reading the docs on secure apt and I'm still confused as to what to do. |
| 04:45.45 | seanjean718 | I guess my related questioin is ... is it bad to install unverified package? (I installed a few of those) |
| 04:47.23 | karlpinc | seanjean718: You have "testing" in your sources.list file? This is bad, because testing becomes a new release. Squeeze is now stable and wheezy is testing. You probably have a mixture of squeeze and wheezy. This is not good. |
| 04:47.36 | seanjean718 | hmm |
| 04:47.40 | seanjean718 | how should I fix this? |
| 04:47.54 | seanjean718 | right now there are no users on the server |
| 04:47.58 | seanjean718 | I'm testing it |
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| 04:48.20 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, so I'm more or less free to do what I want with it. Just not sure what to do to fix the sources.list |
| 04:48.33 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Are you listing "testing" in sources.list instead of "squeeze"? |
| 04:48.41 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, yes |
| 04:48.55 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, its listed as testing, NOT squeeze |
| 04:49.15 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, I inherited the system this way. I wasn't the original person who did this. I'm sure he had a reason for using testing |
| 04:49.23 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, I'm just not sure what that reason was |
| 04:49.25 | karlpinc | seanjean718: And have you done things like "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" since squeeze was released? |
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| 04:49.34 | karlpinc | seanjean718: He should have just written "squeeze". |
| 04:49.46 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, I haven't done safe-upgrade |
| 04:49.49 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, should I ? |
| 04:50.11 | karlpinc | seanjean718: No. You may be able to recover. |
| 04:50.11 | seanjean718 | karlprinc, I'm just worried that my configs will be overriden |
| 04:50.26 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, ok ... |
| 04:50.55 | karlpinc | seanjean718: If you've never upgraded then you may still have just squeeze on there. Otherwise it can be difficult or impossible to undo. (I don't know how to do either.) |
| 04:51.37 | seanjean718 | what I want to do is just upgrade certain packages |
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| 04:51.51 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, but the sourcelist is complaining about gpg public not verified |
| 04:51.59 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, any ideas how I can fix that? |
| 04:52.08 | karlpinc | seanjean718: What you need to do is just run a single version of debian. Mixing releases gets you a broken system. |
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| 04:52.29 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, well I think I am running a single version |
| 04:52.53 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Not if you've installed any packages since squeeze was released (after having done an "aptitude update"). |
| 04:52.54 | DasEi | seanjean718: import the missing keys |
| 04:53.28 | karlpinc | DasEi: Yah. And that will let him upgrade to wheezy, on a production system. Which is unlikely what he wants to do. |
| 04:53.56 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, how do I find out which package came from which distribution? |
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| 04:55.45 | karlpinc | seanjean718: I'm not sure. But the answer's in "apt-cache policy foo" but you have to run that on each package. I think you can do it with aptitude. But I don't know how, you'll have to read the instructions. You probably want to start by replacing "testing" with "squeeze" and doing an "aptitude update". But I'd not touch anything until you've got a plan. Best from someone who knows more than I do. |
| 04:56.38 | karlpinc | seanjean718: You _could_ upgrade to wheezy. But testing breaks and isn't something recommended for a production server. |
| 04:56.38 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, thanks a lot man |
| 04:56.50 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, ok, understood |
| 04:57.09 | somiaj | aptitude search ~S~i~Aaptitude search ~S~i~Atesting |
| 04:57.17 | somiaj | that should show you which packages installed are really testing |
| 04:57.22 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Meanwhile, when you say you want "newer" packages it raises a red flag. Type "/msg dpkg backports" and "/msg dpkg overview" for more info. |
| 04:57.22 | somiaj | switch testing with stable to get that list |
| 04:57.58 | seanjean718 | somiaj, sorry what do you mean switch testing with stable to get that list, what list? |
| 04:58.02 | karlpinc | somiaj: He should really just say "squeeze" and be done with it so he does not have another problem when wheezy is released. |
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| 04:58.28 | karlpinc | seanjean718: The list that his aptitude command will give you. |
| 04:58.31 | somiaj | karlpinc: that search doesn't search for codenames. I was talking about the command I linked |
| 04:58.47 | karlpinc | somiaj: Ah. I see. |
| 04:58.49 | somiaj | seanjean718: aptitude search ~S~i~Atesting -- shows you all the testing packages you have installed |
| 04:59.06 | seanjean718 | somiaj, thanks. yup I did that |
| 04:59.16 | jsoft | Anyone else had dramas putting debian on an intel iMac? |
| 04:59.22 | seanjean718 | somiaj, seems like the upgraded packages are also testing |
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| 04:59.42 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I just don't understand the difference between keeping testing and going with the testing codename |
| 04:59.50 | somiaj | seanjean718: aptitude search ~S~i~Astable -- shows all the stable packages. You will have to manually downgrade all the 'testing' packages to stable. You really shoudln't use testing on a production server. If you think the list is to big, reinstall might be quicker. |
| 04:59.52 | karlpinc | !tell seanjean718 about stable |
| 05:00.12 | somiaj | seanjean718: you could run a testing server, it just sin't suggested. |
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| 05:01.07 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, ha I have nothing from stable installed |
| 05:01.12 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, everything is testing |
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| 05:01.21 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Testing is not squeeze. Testing is wheezy now. Testing changes as releases are released. You don't want your box to change until you deliberately read the release notes and follow the upgrade procedure. |
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| 05:02.00 | somiaj | seanjean718: you could stay with a testing server, but as karlpinc says, you should change it to 'wheezy' in your sources.list |
| 05:02.01 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, this was setup by the guy before me and its been running fine for 2+ years ... I don't know what motivated him to use testing, but he knew what he was doing. So I'd trust his decision. Further, a lot of the configurations are custom, and I'm not sure howt o restore those configs if I reinstall ... |
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| 05:02.24 | karlpinc | seanjean718: He wanted squeeze. Now you have wheezy. |
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| 05:02.37 | somiaj | seanjean718: testing can just break during upgrades and doens't get the best security updates. For production this is strongly discouraged. |
| 05:02.45 | seanjean718 | somiaj, but karlpinc also said that mixing what was released in squeeze with what is now wheezy is bad |
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| 05:03.02 | karlpinc | somiaj: You no longer have anything that's squeeze. You just said so. |
| 05:03.16 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I completely understand, but I read somewhere that once you go testing, you can't really go back to stable, no? |
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| 05:04.16 | somiaj | seanjean718: not without a reinstall. |
| 05:04.19 | seanjean718 | karlprinc, sorry I only did apt-get install a couple of packages. I did not do a dist upgrade |
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| 05:04.22 | karlpinc | seanjean718: There is no downgrade procedure. Save your configs. Re-install. Rebuild the configs from what you saved, making sure not to include anything that's newer that what's in stable and so not understood by the stable software. |
| 05:04.53 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, how does tha tmake my distribution "wheezy". It makes sense that the packages that I did upgrade would be from wheezy. But the onces that are not upgraded should still be "squeeze" testing .. |
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| 05:05.29 | karlpinc | cantido: I think the imagemagick website has examples. I think. |
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| 05:06.15 | seanjean718 | karlprinc, shoot, sounds more complicated than what I really want. |
| 05:06.29 | karlpinc | seanjean718: "testing" now means wheezy. Upgrading bits requires other bits. And any sort of "aptitude upgrade" will just upgrade everything. |
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| 05:07.00 | cantido | karlpinc: someone pm'd me a tutorial.. the examples on both the imagemagick and graphicsmagick sites are pretty confusing |
| 05:07.05 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Probably not as complicated as fixing some problem that comes up at some random time when testing is broken. Or fixing a rooted box. |
| 05:07.36 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, ok, what do I do to just "reinstall"? |
| 05:07.43 | karlpinc | cantido: They confused me. :-) But eventually it worked. |
| 05:07.50 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, I already backed up my configs |
| 05:07.54 | karlpinc | cantido: But I didn't do text. |
| 05:08.33 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Don't forget to backup stuff in /var/ The crontabs are in there/etc. I forget if there's other stuff but I think so. |
| 05:08.42 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, ok |
| 05:08.51 | cantido | karlpinc: the only things I could cleary find about text for graphicsmagick was all C api stuff .. googled it for hours, it was making my head hurt heh.. the tutorial someone pm'd me seems just what I want |
| 05:08.56 | seanjean718 | so to "reinstall", I would just put the sources.list to stable and do dist upgrade? |
| 05:09.37 | karlpinc | seanjean718: No. You'd, say, download the netinstall image and run the installer. Everything's erased. |
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| 05:09.59 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Then you put things back one by one. |
| 05:10.20 | karlpinc | seanjean718: By installing the packages you want and configuring them using your backups as an example. |
| 05:10.52 | unforgiven512 | I figured out my build issues. |
| 05:10.58 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Don't forget to save /usr/local/, and hope that the previous admins were savvy enough to keep their unpackaged work there. |
| 05:11.32 | seanjean718 | so basically, 1) back up all /etc and /var 2) remember which packages I had 3) do netinstall erase whole thing 4) put packages back one by one with the original configs? |
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| 05:11.58 | unforgiven512 | For some reason, the new linux-libc-dev package, due to the multi-arch redesign, doesn't symlink /usr/include/asm/ to /usr/include/$ARCH-linux-gnu/asm/ |
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| 05:12.19 | unforgiven512 | Defining that symlink alleviates the errors. |
| 05:12.21 | karlpinc | seanjean718: And resore every script and so forth the previous admins wrote. Hopefully those are in /usr/local/ where they belong and not in some other place. |
| 05:12.59 | karlpinc | seanjean718: And you can use the original configs, because those are for a later release of the software and may or may not work. You can use them _mostly_, but may not be able to use them exactly as they are. |
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| 05:13.18 | karlpinc | seanjean718: er. "cannot use the original configs". Oops. |
| 05:13.35 | seanjean718 | i se |
| 05:13.38 | seanjean718 | i see |
| 05:13.48 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, this is separte from the gpg issue right? |
| 05:13.59 | karlpinc | seanjean718: You can probably do something to see what changes were made to configs, so you don't have to go through _all_ the configs. |
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| 05:14.08 | seanjean718 | karlprinc, right now the server blocks outgoing connections, I can't get to the keyserver using gpg |
| 05:14.15 | karlpinc | seanjean718: the gpg issue is a symptom of not having an updated gpg package. |
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| 05:14.38 | karlpinc | seanjean718: I'm tired. Not gpg package, but the package with the keys in it. |
| 05:15.31 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Something's not entirely updated to the latest testing -- like the package with the keys in it. Unless you've got non-debian sources in your sources.list. |
| 05:16.38 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Apt keeps track of what config files you changed, so it knows what can be overwritten and what not. |
| 05:17.17 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, sorry that you're tired ... ok ... well I'm still not sure what i"m supposed to be updating or changing to get the repo verified. =/ |
| 05:17.22 | seanjean718 | karlprinc, thanks for helping |
| 05:17.23 | karlpinc | seanjean718: If the previous admin did not do clever things, like symlink into /usr/local/etc/ when he changed a config, you'll have to use apt to tell what he changed. That should signfificantly reduce the workload. |
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| 05:18.13 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Probably if you do an "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" it will upgrade and fix your gpg problem. And make it that much harder to move back to squeeze. |
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| 05:18.38 | seanjean718 | karlprince, what is safe-upgrade. |
| 05:19.35 | karlpinc | seanjean718: An upgrade without backwards incompability, in short. Not a full-upgrade. The old names were "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade". |
| 05:19.58 | karlpinc | seanjean718: But then again, it might take a full-upgrade to fix your problem. |
| 05:20.06 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Your gpg problem. |
| 05:20.27 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, ok |
| 05:20.40 | karlpinc | seanjean718: Note that testing breaks. Upgrading could introduce new breakages. |
| 05:20.49 | seanjean718 | karlpinc, yea .. |
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| 05:29.49 | Dewi | karlpinc: my iptables -L doesn't mention any interfaces |
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| 05:39.48 | karlpinc | Dewi: You don't have to specify an interface, it's optional. Also, iptables -L does not give you the whole picture. You need another flag. I forget what. |
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| 05:40.15 | karlpinc | Dewi: The question is, if you don't specify an interface does the rule apply to lo as well? |
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| 05:47.07 | Dewi | karlpinc: http://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html#INCLUDERCFIREWALL |
| 05:47.08 | evil-man | karlpinc: if you don't specify an interface the rule apply to all interfaces. yes, iptables works on loopback interface. |
| 05:47.51 | Dewi | karlpinc: that example script does some localhost stuff that doesn't always involve -i |
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| 05:48.01 | Dewi | karlpinc: but other times it does |
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| 05:48.20 | Dewi | karlpinc: you should be okay though since localhost has a highly predictable IP address |
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| 05:48.52 | karlpinc | Dewi: Thanks. It'll be annoying to always do !lo. Oh well. |
| 05:48.55 | karlpinc | evil-man: Thanks. |
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| 05:52.21 | Toras | Circumcision, it's an atrocious, sexist, inhumane, barbaric hoax, scam, fraud, violation of medical ethics and human rights, and perpetrated by sick or numb-minded automatons unworthy of the title of being human. |
| 05:52.58 | Toras | There, I said it. |
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| 05:53.42 | CVirus | Why isn't the eclipse package found in Wheezy ? although it's there in Squeeze ! |
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| 05:54.11 | somiaj | CVirus: some times packages are removed |
| 05:54.24 | CVirus | somiaj: why |
| 05:55.01 | somiaj | http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse.html -- one place to look |
| 05:55.18 | CVirus | somiaj: thanks |
| 05:55.25 | somiaj | CVirus: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse/news/20110809T163912Z.html |
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| 05:56.01 | somiaj | hmm, that just says it was removed, not why |
| 05:56.30 | CVirus | it's okay .. I just thought that something was wrong with the repo or something |
| 05:56.32 | CVirus | anyways |
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| 05:56.58 | CVirus | With Gentoo I could "unmask" testing packages to install them .... How can I install things from Sid while running Testing ? |
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| 05:57.22 | somiaj | CVirus: I think you can't install it cause of depends issues, but you could try a backport, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 05:57.35 | Toras | CIRCUMCISION: DOCTORS LIABLE FOR CRIMINAL ASSAULT |
| 05:57.40 | somiaj | CVirus: you could chekc the depends, if they all live in testing install the binary, but it seems depends issues are why it was removed in the first place |
| 05:57.46 | Toras | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.59 | CVirus | somiaj: I'll fetch it from Sid then |
| 05:58.38 | karlpinc | !ops Toras is offtopic |
| 05:58.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: karlpinc complains about: Toras is offtopic |
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| 05:59.27 | CVirus | somiaj: why would I use backports if I'm running Wheezy ? |
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| 05:59.56 | Toras | Personally, I'm a pro-circumcision type person. I think circumcision promotes cleanliness and, by reducing oversensitiveness of the parts, helps to correct any tendency which may exist to improper manipulations of the genital organs and the consequent acquirement of evil sexual habits, such as masturbation. I was circumcised right after I was born and I don't miss having a foreskin one bit at all. Circumcisors are just doing their jobs |
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| 06:01.14 | somiaj | CVirus: because you really don't want to pull in sid packages in wheezy for bug reasons. You could just try and install it and all pacakges, but since wheezy and sid are different you could have conflicts |
| 06:01.37 | Toras | But getting back to the point, I also think that any uncircumcised men in the world need to be circumcised in order to know what already circumcised men feel. And to all those men who were circumcised as adults and who once knew the pleasures of a foreskin let me just say one thing to all of you: "WELCOME TO THE OTHER SIDE!!!" |
| 06:02.09 | CVirus | somiaj: check this out http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=eclipse |
| 06:02.18 | karlpinc | !op And Toras is trolling |
| 06:02.18 | dpkg | okay, karlpinc |
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| 06:02.44 | karlpinc | !ops And Toras is trolling |
| 06:02.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: karlpinc complains about: And Toras is trolling |
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| 06:03.19 | Toras | WOULD YOU SHUT UP? |
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| 06:14.36 | Dewi | Toras: try #nineteenthcentury |
| 06:14.48 | CVirus | LOL |
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| 06:15.05 | Toras | How is that funny? |
| 06:15.11 | Toras | "Careful anatomical investigations have shown that circumcision cuts off more than 3 feet of veins, arteries, and capillaries, 240 feet of nerves, and more than 20,000 nerve endings. The foreskinâs muscles, glands, mucous membrane, and epithelial tissue are destroyed, as well." |
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| 06:16.00 | streuner | Toras: this is a technical support channel for Debian, please respect that. |
| 06:16.26 | Dewi | actually you don't even need to respect, just comply or leave |
| 06:17.25 | Corey | Toras: Enough. |
| 06:18.54 | magnus_ | hi. im using lighttpd with debian 6. debian manages mime types with mime-support package. the manual states that i should add my own mime types in ~/.mime-types. however, the script in debian lighttpd package which reads the mime-types and outputs a configuration for lighttpd does only care about /etc/mime.types. Is this a bug? |
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| 06:30.09 | karlpinc | magnus_: Check the readme.debian. |
| 06:30.15 | karlpinc | !tell magnus_ about readme.debian |
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| 06:31.19 | magnus_ | karlpinc, there is no README.Debian in mime-support package |
| 06:31.24 | magnus_ | only a changelog |
| 06:32.01 | magnus_ | but the real problem here is really the lighttpd debian package, which does not seem to honor all configuration files of mime-support package |
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| 06:32.25 | nkuttler | magnus_: which ~/ did you actually use? |
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| 06:32.52 | nkuttler | magnus_: would probably have to be the www-data home |
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| 06:33.19 | magnus_ | nkuttler, well, it doesn't really matter. if i open up the script in lighttpd which converts mime-types to config, it clearly tells me it will _only_ try to open /etc/mime.types. But yes, i tried putting it in ~/.mime-types of www-data |
| 06:33.58 | magnus_ | so problem is: /usr/share/lighttpd/create-mime.assign.pl does not read any other file than /etc/mime.types when it's also suppose to read ~/.mime.types |
| 06:34.07 | magnus_ | (to be compatible with mime-support package) |
| 06:34.30 | nkuttler | magnus_: oh well that should be easy to fix then. just read the script and check what it does |
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| 06:34.53 | nkuttler | or... if you already did file a bug |
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| 06:35.11 | magnus_ | yes, i did. where do i turn to file a bug? |
| 06:35.35 | nkuttler | !tell magnus_ about reportbug |
| 06:36.40 | magnus_ | i feel that it may perhaps be the responsibility of mime-support package to provide a concatenated mime-types (/etc/mime.types + ~/.mime-types) to packages depending on it, to make it less complex. should I perhaps add this as a feature request to mime-support package instead of filing a bug with lighttpd? |
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| 06:54.47 | seanjean718 | hey karlpinc, are you still there? |
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| 07:00.38 | somiaj | seanjean718: if you have a question you should just ask. (: |
| 07:01.07 | seanjean718 | somiaj, hey |
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| 07:01.20 | seanjean718 | somiaj, so I did a dist-upgrade on the testing and it completely broke down |
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| 07:01.42 | somiaj | seanjean718: welcome to testing. Check the bug reports. Try to figure out what broke. |
| 07:01.48 | seanjean718 | somiaj, actually I didn't do a dist-upgrade ... I only installed python, which screwed up perl, which had a cyclic dependency |
| 07:01.55 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I have been doing that for the past 3 hours |
| 07:02.13 | seanjean718 | somiaj, first it was perl 5.12.3 ... so I just decided to do a apt-get dist-upgrade -f |
| 07:02.28 | Aenigma | seanjean718: i believe people usually set up chroots when using different branches |
| 07:02.38 | seanjean718 | somiaj, which was fine .... up until it got to configuring |
| 07:02.43 | somiaj | seanjean718: there is a reason why we suggest stable, thing don't change and it undergoes lots of testing to limit these types of issues. |
| 07:02.51 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I know .. I get it |
| 07:03.04 | somiaj | seanjean718: so what is your problem, maybe I can point you in the right direction. What are you trying to fix right now? |
| 07:03.11 | seanjean718 | somiaj, but I have testing .. and would love to fix it without wipe all my configs and starting over again now |
| 07:03.15 | seanjean718 | somiaj, |
| 07:03.53 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ok, so I did apt-get dist-upgrade -f. Then it was fine up until configuration. Now I'm facing a this issue: Setting up initscripts (2.88dsf-13.11) ... |
| 07:03.53 | seanjean718 | insserv: warning: script 'K01pwrstatd' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 07:03.53 | seanjean718 | insserv: warning: script 'pwrstatd' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 07:03.53 | seanjean718 | insserv: There is a loop at service monit if started |
| 07:03.53 | seanjean718 | insserv: Starting pwrstatd depends on monit and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
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| 07:05.24 | seanjean718 | somiaj, sorry I screwed up the pasting. its late. I"m tired and hating life right now. |
| 07:05.35 | seanjean718 | somiaj, were you able to see the error message? |
| 07:05.41 | somiaj | seanjean718: use paste.debian.net -- also put a copy of the command you ran |
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| 07:06.27 | seanjean718 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/133979 |
| 07:06.32 | seanjean718 | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/plain/133979 |
| 07:06.42 | seanjean718 | somiaj, this was after apt-get dist-upgrade -f |
| 07:07.15 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ahhh now everything is broken. Ugh so screwed up |
| 07:07.26 | TimmyT | mobile broadband connection doesn't work in kde network manager. im trying to use my cellphone but when i click on the created connection for the cellphone it does nothing, though it works under gnome.how can i solve this issue? |
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| 07:07.59 | seanjean718 | somiaj, its initscript and I have no idea how to fix it |
| 07:08.21 | somiaj | seanjean718: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list file (put that at paste.debian.net) |
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| 07:08.48 | somiaj | seanjean718: I would reinstall the package or purge then reinstall the package who put that initscript on your machine, 'dpkg -S /etc/init.d/pwrstatd' |
| 07:09.24 | somiaj | I personally cannot find that init script anywhere in debian and trying to figure out where you got it. |
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| 07:10.09 | CVirus | I'm trying to install Eclipse using ssb and I'm getting this http://paste.debian.net/133978/ ... anyone ? |
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| 07:11.13 | seanjean718 | somiaj, no idea ... where I got it |
| 07:11.15 | Dewi | CVirus: you need a newer tzdata-java |
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| 07:12.01 | somiaj | CVirus: yea fix line 22 first, try apt-get -f install (make sure you dont' have any issues before starting this) (the differences are very small must have missed it in an upgrade) |
| 07:12.02 | Dewi | CVirus: to match your tzdata |
| 07:12.05 | seanjean718 | somiaj, sources list |
| 07:12.09 | seanjean718 | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/7caa3ebe |
| 07:12.57 | Dewi | CVirus: you appear to have a testing tzdata |
| 07:13.01 | Dewi | or sid |
| 07:13.03 | somiaj | seanjean718: dpkg -S pwrstatd -- output of that. |
| 07:13.08 | seanjean718 | somiaj, how do I reinstall initscript? I tried removing it with dpkg and then reinstall with dpkg -i /var/cache/archives/initscript...deb, but that didn't work. |
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| 07:13.36 | somiaj | seanjean718: you don't want to reinstall initscripts, you want to fix the script that is broken which is part of another package that I cannot figure out where you got it. |
| 07:13.51 | seanjean718 | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2e69b8ea/ |
| 07:14.04 | CVirus | Dewi: suggestions ? |
| 07:14.06 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ooooh I think its monit |
| 07:14.25 | Dewi | CVirus: well did you build your own tzdata? |
| 07:14.26 | seanjean718 | somiaj, no? it keeps saying starting pwrstatd depends on monit |
| 07:14.29 | CVirus | Dewi: no |
| 07:14.39 | Dewi | CVirus: what version of debian are you using? |
| 07:14.43 | somiaj | seanjean718: no clue what this powerpanel package it says you have installed. its not part of debian as far as I can tell. |
| 07:14.48 | CVirus | Dewi: I'm on Wheezy and trying to install Eclipse from Sid |
| 07:14.53 | CVirus | Dewi: using ssb |
| 07:15.05 | somiaj | CVirus: apt-get install tzdata -- what does that do? |
| 07:15.10 | seanjean718 | somiaj, should I just get rid of it? |
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| 07:15.28 | Dewi | CVirus: okay update your sources and 'aptitude install tzdata-java' |
| 07:15.31 | CVirus | somiaj: nothing |
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| 07:15.45 | somiaj | CVirus: and apt-get install tzdata-java errors out? |
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| 07:16.00 | Dewi | CVirus: what does 'apt-cache policy tzdata-java' say? |
| 07:16.01 | CVirus | Dewi: http://paste.debian.net/133985/ |
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| 07:16.08 | CVirus | somiaj: no errors |
| 07:16.17 | somiaj | seanjean718: I don't know. Its not part of debian, I'm not sure what it does or why you need it, but it isn't in compliance so yes you could. |
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| 07:16.20 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 07:16.21 | somiaj | CVirus: did it install it just fine? |
| 07:16.26 | Dewi | CVirus: update your sources |
| 07:16.30 | mah454 | Why this command not work ? http://pastebin.com/cx7X3WWu |
| 07:16.33 | CVirus | Dewi: http://paste.debian.net/133986/ |
| 07:16.41 | CVirus | somiaj: it is installed already I mean |
| 07:16.43 | somiaj | CVirus: apt-cache policy tzdata-java -- output please |
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| 07:16.49 | CVirus | somiaj: ^^ |
| 07:16.56 | Dewi | CVirus: that is not the current version in wheezy |
| 07:17.08 | Dewi | CVirus: see? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/tzdata-java |
| 07:17.11 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I just got rid of it |
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| 07:17.13 | seanjean718 | somiaj, dpkg --remove --force-all powerpanel |
| 07:17.15 | Dewi | CVirus: your sources are not up to date |
| 07:17.26 | somiaj | seanjean718: umm, don't force things that is only going to make it worse |
| 07:17.34 | somiaj | seanjean718: use apt-get make sure you pull out anything that depends on it. :( |
| 07:17.39 | seanjean718 | somiaj, it didn't have any dependencies |
| 07:17.40 | CVirus | Dewi: let me run aptitude update and test again |
| 07:17.49 | CVirus | Dewi: same |
| 07:18.09 | seanjean718 | somiaj, apt-get is completely broken b/c of perl 5.12.3 is broken....I can't do anything |
| 07:18.13 | somiaj | seanjean718: dpkg --purge powerpanel -- purge it to get the init script, also avoid --force-all with dpkg that is a very dangrous flag |
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| 07:18.28 | Dewi | CVirus: something must be wrong with your sources. Either the list, or the mirror you're using |
| 07:18.33 | somiaj | seanjean718: give me the output of 'apt-get -f install' at paste.debian.net |
| 07:18.42 | CVirus | Dewi: let me paste my sources.list |
| 07:19.37 | somiaj | CVirus: maybe your mirror is just slightly out of date. Not srue why though. |
| 07:19.39 | seanjean718 | somiaj, thank you so much. I'm freaking out now. |
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| 07:20.10 | CVirus | somiaj: I'm using cdn.debian.net |
| 07:20.34 | CVirus | Dewi: ^^ |
| 07:20.53 | Dewi | CVirus: that's a big collection of mirrors |
| 07:21.01 | CVirus | hmm |
| 07:21.02 | somiaj | CVirus: your mirror just seems to be outdated, thoguh not sure why its complaining. Try another mirror |
| 07:21.29 | Dewi | CVirus: what I mean is, it chooses your local one. So maybe that's out of date |
| 07:21.31 | seanjean718 | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/plain/133987 this si the output of apt-get -f install |
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| 07:22.46 | Dewi | CVirus: type - host cdn.debian.net |
| 07:22.58 | somiaj | seanjean718: 'apt-cache policy tar' |
| 07:23.30 | Dewi | CVirus: oh, nevermind |
| 07:23.33 | seanjean718 | somiaj, it reports installed 1.22-2, candidate 1.25-3 |
| 07:23.44 | seanjean718 | somiaj, show I do apt-get install tar? |
| 07:23.46 | Dewi | CVirus: that's not giving me the same mirror as my browsers get so I don't trust it |
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| 07:23.57 | CVirus | Dewi: I'm changing mirrors and will update now |
| 07:23.59 | somiaj | seanjean718: does apt-get install tar work? your tar is outdated and that is erroring out? |
| 07:24.10 | Dewi | CVirus: yeah, it'll probably work |
| 07:24.14 | seanjean718 | somiaj, not I just tried that .. it doesn't work..more dependency problems |
| 07:24.44 | seanjean718 | somiaj, should I try dkpg instead? |
| 07:24.50 | somiaj | seanjean718: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/tar -- download it manually and install with dpkg |
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| 07:25.05 | somiaj | seanjean718: yea, your system is in a strange state mixed between squeeze and wheezy, this may take a while..:/ |
| 07:25.20 | CVirus | Dewi: what to do after update ? |
| 07:25.25 | seanjean718 | crap |
| 07:25.29 | seanjean718 | somiaj, Im not sleeping ... |
| 07:25.40 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I have this deb on my /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:26.46 | Dewi | CVirus: aptitude install tzdata-java |
| 07:26.51 | seanjean718 | somiaj, crap! I can't install with dpkg -i ... I just get same tar error message! |
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| 07:27.19 | somiaj | seanjean718: give me the output of dpkg -i <that file> |
| 07:27.19 | CVirus | Dewi: works ... Thanks a million |
| 07:27.26 | CVirus | somiaj: works :-) |
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| 07:27.35 | somiaj | CVirus: yea just had a lagging mirror. |
| 07:27.52 | Dewi | CVirus: hopefully your next ssb won't have that spanner in the works :) |
| 07:27.59 | seanjean718 | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/e1d375c0 |
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| 07:28.47 | CVirus | Dewi: somiaj: Thanks again you guys |
| 07:28.47 | Dewi | seanjean718: wow, that's a new one |
| 07:28.54 | Dewi | seanjean718: sounds like your dpkg is newer than your tar |
| 07:28.55 | seanjean718 | =/ |
| 07:29.20 | somiaj | seanjean718: can you extract that package. dpkg -x file.deb /path/to/some/tmp/location |
| 07:29.23 | EmleyMoor | I just installed a kernel update and the dkms trigger for nvidia failed - X works OK still. Is there anything I need to do or should I just ignore this? |
| 07:29.37 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ok |
| 07:29.41 | seanjean718 | Dewi, yea ... ugh |
| 07:29.48 | somiaj | EmleyMoor: have you rebooted on that new kernel. What version of debian? |
| 07:29.50 | seanjean718 | somiaj, what do I do now after that? |
| 07:30.09 | EmleyMoor | Yes, I have rebooted. squeeze |
| 07:30.31 | somiaj | seanjean718: copy that version of tar that is extracted over your version of tar |
| 07:30.35 | seanjean718 | somiaj, no .. i can't --warning=no-timestamp is still USED |
| 07:30.52 | somiaj | seanjean718: yea you are going to have to somehow get a version of tar put on your system |
| 07:31.05 | seanjean718 | somiaj, where can I find a bin file ? |
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| 07:31.28 | Dewi | somiaj / seanjean718 : don't copy tar over tar. Just update your path |
| 07:31.35 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ok I'll do this on another linux machine I have access to and then copy it back via network |
| 07:31.46 | somiaj | Dewi: thanks, yes that is a much better idea. (: |
| 07:32.13 | somiaj | seanjean718: listen to Dewi but yes you will have to somehow get a version of tar newenough to use that option. |
| 07:32.13 | seanjean718 | Dewi, so move the old tar to tar_old and then add a link to new tar at /bin/tar? |
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| 07:32.38 | somiaj | seanjean718: no put it in /usr/local/bin or $HOME/bin/ |
| 07:32.39 | Dewi | seanjean718: nah don't touch the system tar |
| 07:32.42 | EmleyMoor | somiaj: Yes, I have rebooted. squeeze |
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| 07:33.18 | somiaj | seanjean718: by default the tar in /usr/local/bin will get used over the system one, once you install the new tar package correctly you can remove that file |
| 07:33.22 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj how else can I unpack a deb file other than dpkg??? |
| 07:33.53 | somiaj | EmleyMoor: well if you are running the module and xorg is working just fine I'd just ignore the warning (the nvidia glx/kernel versions are right) |
| 07:34.06 | Dewi | somiaj: could seanjean718 somehow get dpkg to install from a directory instead of a .deb ? |
| 07:34.19 | EmleyMoor | somiaj: Thanks - thought probably so |
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| 07:34.52 | somiaj | Dewi: not that I know of. I wonder if the flag --warning=no-timestamp can be disabled just to install this single package |
| 07:35.21 | Dewi | seanjean718: do you still have the unpacked .deb for new tar? |
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| 07:35.31 | Dewi | seanjean718: can you just try dpkg -i /that/dir |
| 07:35.42 | Dewi | it's a long shot... |
| 07:35.44 | somiaj | Dewi: it woudln't unpack for him |
| 07:36.17 | seanjean718 | Dewi, that doesn't work ... uses the new tar |
| 07:36.34 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. Any ideas or suggestions for a mp3 to midi converter in Debian? |
| 07:36.50 | somiaj | seanjean718: do you have another computer/debian install? |
| 07:37.12 | demooriaan | hid3: ffmpeg? audacity? |
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| 07:37.32 | somiaj | convertion to midi is an oddity I dont' think is standard. |
| 07:37.51 | Dewi | seanjean718: if you have another machine with the new tar, make a directory called /tmp/newtar/ and copy it in. Then update your path: PATH=/tmp/newtar:$PATH |
| 07:37.59 | Dewi | seanjean718: that should get dpkg using the new tar |
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| 07:38.07 | hid3 | demooriaan: thanks! |
| 07:38.11 | Dewi | seanjean718: temporarily |
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| 07:39.26 | jelly-home | hid3: hire a musician and let them transcribe the tune in as much detail as you can afford? |
| 07:39.28 | jelly-home | hides |
| 07:39.45 | seanjean718 | Dewi, ok I got the new tar! |
| 07:39.46 | hid3 | oh yeah.. |
| 07:39.52 | Dewi | hid3: that's not going to work well |
| 07:39.57 | Dewi | hid3: like... at all |
| 07:40.32 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj I ended up using dpkg on my mac and transfered it back to the server |
| 07:40.45 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj so back to teh last step at apt-get -f install? |
| 07:41.00 | Dewi | seanjean718: is your server a similar era mac? |
| 07:41.10 | seanjean718 | Dewi, server is linux |
| 07:41.15 | seanjean718 | Dewi, not from apple |
| 07:41.26 | Dewi | seanjean718: I mean are they the same arch |
| 07:41.27 | somiaj | seanjean718: hopefully they are both i386 compadable for binaries. |
| 07:41.32 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj apt-get -f install seems to have finished without errors now |
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| 07:41.42 | Dewi | seanjean718: oh cool |
| 07:42.01 | somiaj | seanjean718: seems you fixed your issue. Now change your $PATH back and remove that temproty tar |
| 07:42.01 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj no I move the deb to my mac, and then extracted using dpkg -x then move that tar back to linux. that tar is amd64 for my server. |
| 07:42.11 | somiaj | Dewi: probabaly doesn't matter if he just extracted it and copyed the binary over. |
| 07:42.29 | seanjean718 | somiaj, what now? |
| 07:42.53 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I guess i need to roll back to teh other problems on the stack ... |
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| 07:43.02 | seanjean718 | somiaj, Dewi my original problem was the broken perl dependencies! |
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| 07:43.22 | Dewi | seanjean718: you have a very mixed up system |
| 07:43.40 | seanjean718 | Dewi, hmm I did dist-upgrade |
| 07:43.42 | somiaj | I woudl try to get everythign completely upgraded to wheezy and fix any issues you run across. |
| 07:44.01 | seanjean718 | somiaj, so what would that be ? apt-get full-upgrade? |
| 07:44.01 | Dewi | seanjean718: oh. did it fail partway through or what? |
| 07:44.02 | somiaj | seanjean718: you broke in the middle or something still have a few hunder packages that say they need upgrading and your tar was still stable messing you up |
| 07:44.18 | seanjean718 | Dewi, I'm not surehow to check if it completed ... what would dpkg be? |
| 07:44.26 | somiaj | seanjean718: I'd do it in steps, I'm not sure if aptitude or apt-get will be better |
| 07:44.27 | Dewi | seanjean718: just run it again I guess |
| 07:44.33 | somiaj | seanjean718: I would 'apt-get upgrade' frist |
| 07:44.34 | seanjean718 | Dewi, ok |
| 07:44.48 | demooriaan | hid3: also check if sox is able to do the job |
| 07:44.52 | Dewi | seanjean718: dist-upgrade I mean |
| 07:45.07 | somiaj | seanjean718: I would then apt-get dist-upgrade second. |
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| 07:45.22 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj running apt-get upgrade now |
| 07:45.55 | CVirus | Dewi: somiaj: building eclipse is now failing :-( http://paste.debian.net/133993/ |
| 07:46.17 | Dewi | CVirus: you know eclipse is just a java program |
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| 07:46.24 | Dewi | CVirus: you don't actually need to build it |
| 07:46.42 | Dewi | CVirus: I mean... if you're happy to have the unpackaged version |
| 07:46.43 | CVirus | Dewi: I'm following the steps in the ssb factoid |
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| 07:47.01 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj shoot .. now its something weird and unexpected. http://paste.debian.net/plainh/e8d0dc15 |
| 07:47.09 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj should I say yes? |
| 07:47.26 | somiaj | CVirus: line 26 -- seems its missing a jar it needs, try to track it down |
| 07:47.38 | Dewi | CVirus: yeah it sounds like it's got a dependency that the package system doesn't know about |
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| 07:47.52 | somiaj | seanjean718: I would say Y in that situtation. |
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| 07:48.05 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ok I did ... but what did it mean? why would it remove user? |
| 07:48.29 | seanjean718 | somiaj, i have about 10 users on this computer .. is this going to affect their login |
| 07:48.29 | somiaj | seanjean718: its a group, for some reason there was a conflict in the gid |
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| 07:48.45 | somiaj | seanjean718: no it just removed the group 'user', did you have your users in that group for any paticular reason? |
| 07:48.55 | CVirus | somiaj: Dewi: libjasper-java is installed |
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| 07:49.02 | Dewi | seanjean718: that's not a group on my system, I don't think it's default |
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| 07:50.19 | Dewi | CVirus: yeah it seems picky about the version |
| 07:50.29 | Dewi | CVirus: it's a source package bug |
| 07:50.29 | seanjean718 | Dewi, cool....I guess I'll deal with teh consequences later. whooooa I got a lot of warning skiping duplicate certificate |
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| 07:51.00 | CVirus | Dewi: this is very irritating :S |
| 07:51.02 | Dewi | CVirus: are you likely to need anything that depends on eclipse? |
| 07:51.09 | CVirus | Dewi: no |
| 07:51.14 | CVirus | Dewi: I just need eclipse :S |
| 07:51.16 | Dewi | CVirus: maybe just run the binary |
| 07:51.19 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj should I be keeping all my current configs? Its asking me if I want to override /etc/sudoers |
| 07:51.26 | Dewi | CVirus: from eclipse.org |
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| 07:51.41 | CVirus | Dewi: will do :-( |
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| 07:52.04 | somiaj | seanjean718: its a case per case thing, I know this rewrite of the /etc/sudoers is needed cause they want to update the secure_path (mine broke cause I didn't upgrade it) -- if you have custom settings then you will have to edit or fix |
| 07:52.14 | Dewi | CVirus: eclipse is pretty self-contained as long as it can find java |
| 07:52.37 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I did a diff and I think basically one line and only one user was in the sudoer's list |
| 07:52.37 | Dewi | CVirus: on windows it doesn't even have an installer, it's just a zip file |
| 07:52.57 | CVirus | Dewi: yeah I know .. I just prefer to install everything from the package manager .. that's all |
| 07:53.20 | seanjean718 | somiaj, it looks like its user ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL instead of ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 07:53.24 | Dewi | CVirus: me too. It does sound like the src pacakage has a dependency bug, that's all |
| 07:53.31 | seanjean718 | somiaj, linux is so complicated ... its amazing it all works |
| 07:53.41 | CVirus | Dewi: how can I get rid of all the deps eclipse installed before it failed to compile :S ? |
| 07:53.57 | somiaj | seanjean718: its not complicated you are just using 'testing' software which hasn't been cleaned out |
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| 07:54.14 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I see ... :S |
| 07:54.17 | somiaj | seanjean718: I would say 'yes' |
| 07:54.17 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I said Y |
| 07:54.23 | seanjean718 | somiaj, gotcha |
| 07:54.26 | Dewi | CVirus: well "apt-get -b source" doesn't touch the system, it just works out of a subdir of the current dir |
| 07:54.29 | somiaj | seanjean718: debian actually works really smoothly if you run stable and don't try to do things outside of the os. |
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| 07:54.39 | Dewi | CVirus: but the deps you installed before that you would have to manually remove |
| 07:54.50 | seanjean718 | somiaj, shockingly ... it finished without error |
| 07:55.00 | CVirus | Dewi: I see |
| 07:55.02 | seanjean718 | somiaj, now apt-get dist-upgrade -f? |
| 07:55.12 | Dewi | seanjean718: linux "just works" a lot more if you don't run pre-release stuff |
| 07:55.25 | seanjean718 | Dewi, tell that to the guy that started it all |
| 07:55.36 | seanjean718 | Dewi, I just got the sh*t end of the stick |
| 07:55.53 | somiaj | seanjean718: don't need the '-f' |
| 07:55.56 | seanjean718 | Dewi, should I be doing apt-get dist-upgrade after this? |
| 07:56.13 | Dewi | seanjean718: I'd keep running it until it stopped doing anything |
| 07:56.30 | somiaj | Dewi: yea he was stuck with this fraken mix we said either upgrade to wheezy or reinstall, (: |
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| 07:56.58 | BearJeu | hi guys. |
| 07:56.58 | Dewi | seanjean718: also run 'apt-get install' before it each time |
| 07:57.15 | Dewi | seanjean718: that can also finish some stuff off depending on what failed |
| 07:57.18 | BearJeu | I created a virtual interface on 6.0 called eth0:1 |
| 07:57.25 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj udev new version doesn't support my current kernal...what do I do? |
| 07:57.25 | BearJeu | i do an ifup eth0:1 |
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| 07:57.41 | somiaj | seanjean718: what kernel version? 'uname -a' |
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| 07:57.55 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I said no |
| 07:57.56 | BearJeu | and the interface comes up. however, I can't ping it from the internet |
| 07:57.59 | Dewi | seanjean718: the upgrade should at some point include a kernel |
| 07:58.28 | seanjean718 | somiaj, Dewi 2.6.30-2-amd64 that's the current version |
| 07:58.30 | somiaj | he might be on a VPS in which the kernel is given to him by the dom0 or what ever its called in his case |
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| 07:58.55 | somiaj | seanjean718: that isn't even a squeeze kernel...sounds like you had a prerelease squeeze system. :( |
| 07:58.56 | seanjean718 | somiaj, Dewi ok it finished but returned an error for udev, becuase I didn't upgrade |
| 07:59.13 | seanjean718 | somiaj, I think I did ... this system was put together at 2008/2009 early |
| 07:59.43 | somiaj | seanjean718: wish I would had know that, I would have had you just upgrade to squeeze (though really there is no knowing what was done before) |
| 07:59.48 | somiaj | seanjean718: install a new kernel |
| 07:59.52 | somiaj | seanjean718: then finish your upgrade |
| 08:00.08 | Dewi | somiaj: which is it normal to install first, udev or kernel? |
| 08:00.17 | seanjean718 | somiaj, how do I install a new kernel ? :S sounds daunting ... |
| 08:00.35 | Dewi | seanjean718: nah it's just like any other package, only one critical to the boot process |
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| 08:00.46 | Dewi | seanjean718: "same as other packages only dangerouser" |
| 08:00.58 | somiaj | Dewi: I'd say kernel then udev, because without a new kernel he wan't be able to install udev. |
| 08:01.06 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj not haviing udev is screwing up my dependencies for dist-upgrade ... because I ran it again .. and it crapped out with unmet dependencies |
| 08:01.17 | somiaj | seanjean718: yea we have to fix your kernel now. |
| 08:01.26 | somiaj | seanjean718: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 08:01.34 | seanjean718 | somiaj, ok doing this now |
| 08:01.37 | somiaj | seanjean718: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 -- install the one that looks best for your system. |
| 08:02.08 | Dewi | seanjean718: probably want linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 08:02.47 | Dewi | seanjean718: install that |
| 08:02.53 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj the newest 2.6 seems to be teh one that is already installed for me |
| 08:02.56 | Dewi | somiaj: should seanjean718 then reboot before trying to install udev again? |
| 08:03.08 | Dewi | seanjean718: no, you said you have 2.6.30-2 |
| 08:03.11 | somiaj | yea he'll have to get running the new kernel for udev to be compadable |
| 08:03.17 | BearJeu | Can you guys ping 184.105.225.140 |
| 08:03.17 | somiaj | seanjean718: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 08:03.18 | Dewi | seanjean718: the one I just said is at 3.0.0+39 in wheezy |
| 08:03.40 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj I need 2.6.32 for new udev to work, but I don't see this with apt-cache search |
| 08:03.47 | somiaj | Dewi: only problem with linux-image-2.6-amd64 package is it upgrades your kernel automacially and I don't like that. |
| 08:03.59 | somiaj | seanjean718: you need >= 2.6.32 |
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| 08:04.14 | seanjean718 | somiaj, Dewi so should I just do 3.0.0? |
| 08:04.36 | somiaj | seanjean718: that will be fine. if you have it installed, reboot and boot up on the new kernel, the continue the upgrade |
| 08:04.41 | seanjean718 | Dewi, you said for me to get 2.6 again. What's the diff b/n 2.6 and 2.6-2? |
| 08:04.58 | somiaj | seanjean718: 3.0 is really 2.6.40 with a new name...dont' let the 3.0 scare you |
| 08:05.00 | Dewi | seanjean718: 2.6 is a general package that installs the latest 2.6.* |
| 08:05.13 | Dewi | seanjean718: which, confusingly, includes 3.* |
| 08:05.15 | seanjean718 | Dewi, its reported as a dummy package |
| 08:05.38 | seanjean718 | Dewi, so this one?linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 08:05.53 | somiaj | seanjean718: still waiting for the output of 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' |
| 08:05.57 | Dewi | seanjean718: maybe install linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 08:06.01 | seanjean718 | somiaj, oops |
| 08:06.02 | Dewi | seanjean718: that's the actual package |
| 08:06.02 | seanjean718 | ok |
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| 08:06.21 | Dewi | seanjean718: that way it won't autoupdate again |
| 08:06.41 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj http://paste.debian.net/plainh/a6c2734b |
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| 08:07.22 | Dewi | seanjean718: looks like you've already started installing linux-image-2.6-amd64 but it didn't finish |
| 08:07.26 | seanjean718 | Dewi, linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 i have this but its U |
| 08:07.34 | seanjean718 | Dewi, yea ... what do I do to finish it? |
| 08:07.41 | somiaj | seanjean718: I don't like that iU.... |
| 08:07.50 | somiaj | seanjean718: dpkg --configure -a (does that do anything)? |
| 08:08.03 | metaperl | On debian/testing Im getting a dependancy cycle with libgmp10 - http://pastebin.com/wU6065Y2 |
| 08:08.56 | seanjean718 | somiaj, it started a blue screen with "package configuration" "confuring linux base" |
| 08:09.05 | seanjean718 | somiaj, that looks like its installing the new kernel eh? |
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| 08:10.09 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj its asking me to update device IDs automatically or by myself. auto? I already use UUID for mounting |
| 08:10.29 | Dewi | seanjean718: what's the actual question? |
| 08:10.40 | somiaj | metaperl: you may have to resolve the dependencies by grabing the correct deb from pacakges.debian.org and installing with dpkg. |
| 08:10.48 | metaperl | oh |
| 08:11.24 | seanjean718 | Dewi, should I say yes or no? |
| 08:11.29 | seanjean718 | Dewi, I think I should say yes |
| 08:11.47 | seanjean718 | Dewi, said yes... looks like kernel is installing now |
| 08:12.10 | metaperl | somiaj: why isnt libgmp10 in the list - http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgmp10&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 08:12.15 | seanjean718 | Dewi, python-libxml failed ... b/c my python is still 2.5 ... and that was teh whole reason why it all started |
| 08:12.18 | metaperl | that's the one I'm havingp roblems with |
| 08:12.48 | somiaj | metaperl: you were only searching for 'stable' http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&searchon=names&keywords=libgmp10 |
| 08:12.50 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj ok dpkg --configure -a finished .. but still reports errors ffor all my python- packages |
| 08:13.23 | seanjean718 | somiaj, Dewi back to dist-upgrade .. but now broken .. should I do apt-get install udev? |
| 08:13.23 | somiaj | seanjean718: dont worry about those errors...dpkg -l | grep linux-image (is the new 3.0.0 kernel now have status 'ii') |
| 08:13.36 | somiaj | seanjean718: we are fixing the udev issue, which means fixing your kernel. |
| 08:13.38 | seanjean718 | somiaj, they're all ii now |
| 08:13.46 | somiaj | seanjean718: reboot, hope the new kernel works. (: |
| 08:13.47 | seanjean718 | somiaj, kernel installed |
| 08:14.02 | seanjean718 | somiaj, reboot? or install udev? ooh ... I'mnot running the new kernel |
| 08:14.08 | Dewi | seanjean718: hope very hard |
| 08:14.13 | Dewi | seanjean718: that you can boot |
| 08:14.27 | seanjean718 | Dewi, how do I do a warm reboot? |
| 08:14.35 | Dewi | seanjean718: 'reboot' |
| 08:15.25 | seanjean718 | Dewi, hope my RAID controller is still recognized ... |
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| 08:15.56 | seanjean718 | Dewi, eesh ... I won't know what's going on until the network is up |
| 08:16.11 | Dewi | seanjean718: ouch |
| 08:16.22 | seanjean718 | Dewi, yea ... its a remote machine |
| 08:16.23 | Dewi | seanjean718: more risk... |
| 08:16.29 | seanjean718 | Dewi, yea .. |
| 08:16.38 | Dewi | seanjean718: you should be prepared for the possibility that it doesn't come up |
| 08:16.53 | Dewi | seanjean718: new kernels and new udevs can easily break networks and stuff. Do you have more than one network interface? |
| 08:17.08 | Dewi | if you have just 1 that's safer |
| 08:17.10 | seanjean718 | Dewi, eth0, eth1 .. only one works |
| 08:17.56 | seanjean718 | I think it didn't come up =/ |
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| 08:18.49 | seanjean718 | Dewi, I didn't install the new udev before upgrading kernel ... |
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| 08:19.38 | metaperl | On debian/testing, everything is depending on libc6 being a certain version, but a newer version is to be installed - http://pastebin.com/x2WxUMRG |
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| 08:19.58 | seanjean718 | Dewi, somiaj something bad happened...I can't ssh in |
| 08:19.59 | m_ | Hi |
| 08:20.08 | metaperl | the problem with libgmp10 and multiarch-support is all based in a newer libc6 slated for installation |
| 08:20.09 | m_ | i've got three MD devices to recover |
| 08:20.19 | m_ | can I delay one of them? |
| 08:20.36 | somiaj | seanjean718: you may need to get physical access. :/ |
| 08:20.49 | seanjean718 | somiaj, yea that'll have to wait til tomorrow |
| 08:21.12 | seanjean718 | somiaj, sigh ... what do I do when I get to the terminal? I'm not even sure if I'll know how to get through this ... |
| 08:21.22 | seanjean718 | I guess the network must have messed up |
| 08:21.27 | metaperl | I wonder if I should upgrade to unstable |
| 08:21.49 | seanjean718 | somiaj, or maybe the kernel is screwed up ... =/ |
| 08:22.09 | somiaj | seanjean718: you should still be able to boot up off the old kernel. |
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| 08:22.21 | somiaj | seanjean718: it could also be a simple as a network error too. |
| 08:22.23 | seanjean718 | somiaj, just pick from the grub list I guess? |
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| 08:22.27 | somiaj | seanjean718: correct. |
| 08:22.35 | seanjean718 | somiaj, yea its not timing me out |
| 08:22.50 | seanjean718 | somiaj, before it started up it just refused my connection ... now its not? |
| 08:23.02 | seanjean718 | crap its already 4:22 am where I am ... no sleeep |
| 08:23.16 | seanjean718 | somiaj, are you around tomorrow as well if I need help? |
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| 08:23.25 | bahamas | hello. i have a virtual machine on which i've put debian. i'm trying to setup a website on this machine and so far i've configured apache. can anyone tell me what other steps are needed? |
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| 08:24.18 | somiaj | metaperl: you just need to update multiple packages. so just get libc6-dev and any other culprits. You can install them with together with dpkg to fix it. |
| 08:24.26 | somiaj | metaperl: you could also try aptitude it has different logic |
| 08:25.31 | somiaj | metaperl: seems you also need http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/multiarch-support |
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| 08:58.00 | AdvoWork | hi there. Any suggestions for this please, got a debian VM, with XEN, trying to insall a new VM, picking the distribution(ubuntu) i put in the archive path, but i cannot see where/how it would decide if to use the desktop or server version.Any suggestions please? |
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| 09:01.00 | Dewi | AdvoWork: ubuntu is not debian |
| 09:01.15 | Dewi | AdvoWork: debian does not have desktop & server versions |
| 09:01.16 | PerfDave | AdvoWork: How are you trying to install a new VM? xen-create-image? |
| 09:01.22 | AdvoWork | i know that, but the OS im using, with XEN on, is debian |
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| 09:02.03 | AdvoWork | PerfDave, yeah xen-create-imagine --hostname=whatever and it would be using xen-tools.conf |
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| 09:06.47 | petern__ | AdvoWork, your host is debian, and your vm will be debian? where does ubuntu come into it? |
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| 09:13.45 | AdvoWork | petemc, well, got a virtual server with x amount of VM's on it. the main host is debian, and all the vm's have been created with xen. I'm trying to make a new VM, but with Ubuntu as the OS, if that makes sense, This isnt really an ubuntu question as such, i just dont know how xen/the config can distinguise between using a desktop or server version? |
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| 09:16.25 | petemc | AdvoWork: i know you werent asking me! but i think xen-create-image uses debootsrap which just gives you a base install |
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| 09:19.22 | f0rtex | hi everybody, i've trouble with my nm-applet (it stopped working after an update). my .xsession-erros says: Faild to add/activate connection: (32) not Authorized to control networking |
| 09:19.33 | f0rtex | my user is in the netdev group |
| 09:19.54 | f0rtex | any hints? |
| 09:20.30 | AdvoWork | petemc, yeah it does, but how do you mean base install? being desktop? |
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| 09:21.13 | petemc | AdvoWork: no, just the base system |
| 09:21.51 | BearJeu | guys, i'm trying to get this virtual interface up and running... |
| 09:21.56 | BearJeu | I added it. |
| 09:22.11 | BearJeu | I can bring the interface up, however, I can't ping it. |
| 09:22.20 | BearJeu | from my home system. |
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| 09:24.14 | rascal999 | http://pastebin.com/MqKbpv6T line 27, why doesn't this change to rwx? http://pastebin.com/vrnVCjvu but if i chmod 777, it works |
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| 09:25.34 | holben | what happen to the package aircrack-ng? can't install it from 'testing' or 'unstable' repo. |
| 09:26.40 | babilen | !tell holben -about aircrack |
| 09:26.46 | babilen | holben: WPA or WEP? |
| 09:27.07 | rascal999 | !tell rascal999 -about aircrack |
| 09:27.23 | babilen | rascal999: /msg dpkg aircrack |
| 09:27.39 | holben | babilen: it can handle both. |
| 09:27.55 | babilen | holben: Which one are you "working" on? |
| 09:28.09 | holben | WEP |
| 09:28.47 | holben | the issue is why can't it be installed? |
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| 09:29.18 | babilen | holben: Ok, in that case pyrit (cuda/opencl powered WPA passphrase retrieval tool) won't help much. I would still suggest to take a look. IIRC there have been recent talks about re-introducing aircrack into the archive. |
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| 09:29.33 | babilen | holben: Read the bug referenced in the factoid dpkg told you about |
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| 09:30.56 | holben | babilen: the factoid says its not in squeeze which is a stable release now but I am trying to install from 'testing' or 'unstable'. |
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| 09:31.31 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 09:31.46 | babilen | holben: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605519 â this is the bug report/removal request I am talking about |
| 09:32.27 | holben | yeah, but that's only relevant to squeeze. |
| 09:32.28 | Golfgeo | When selecting options for a new guest, should I select linux & debian OR linux & kernel 2.4 for an older version of Debian with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 09:32.44 | babilen | holben: How so? |
| 09:32.54 | Golfgeo | Sorry, in virtualbox |
| 09:33.39 | holben | babilen: "Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, " |
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| 09:34.15 | babilen | holben: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642934 |
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| 09:34.49 | jsoft | Any suggestions on a tiny, almost pocket portable laptop thing? |
| 09:34.54 | jsoft | (that works well with debian) |
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| 09:35.57 | holben | babilen: thks, understand the issue now. damn, i shouldn't have removed it. |
| 09:36.02 | petern__ | AdvoWork, i don't really know what the difference is between ubuntu desktop & server editions. is it just the default set of packages? |
| 09:36.02 | flaccid | hmm loooks like the log directives are wrong on this one. disregard that i guess |
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| 09:36.13 | petern__ | (seems odd to make the distinction...) |
| 09:37.03 | babilen | holben: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642934 (but note that it has been removed for a reason -- I also read somewhere that people are working on packaging it again, but I can not find the reference right now.) |
| 09:37.23 | babilen | holben: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/aircrack-ng/ (not the link to the bug report) |
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| 09:37.36 | holben | babilen: thks, i will surf for the info. |
| 09:37.39 | inc0 | hi, is there any repo with newest apt and deps for experimental? |
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| 09:39.59 | babilen | holben: I've found it, but it was just some "Is anybody interested in maintaining aircrack-ng?" question in #d-mentors ... Nothing tangible so far. |
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| 09:41.21 | zarlino | I'm trying to package a Qt app. I'd like to depend on Qt>=4.5. I used shlibs:Depends and it automatically adds Qt4.7 to the dependencies. Should I remove completely shlibs:Depends? I set the dependencies by hand? |
| 09:41.26 | holben | babilen: thks for all the info. will try to build fr source. |
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| 09:43.36 | babilen | inc0: yes, it is called experimental. What are you trying to do? |
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| 09:44.30 | inc0 | babilen, install newest wine, and everytime I get errors from depends |
| 09:44.59 | babilen | inc0: Installed it from where? Which errors do you get? Paste relevant information to http://paste.debian.net please. |
| 09:45.06 | babilen | !tell inc0 -about bat |
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| 09:51.49 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134017/ |
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| 09:52.44 | babilen | inc0: And now also paste the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy wine" and your sources.list |
| 09:52.50 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134018/ |
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| 09:54.35 | babilen | inc0: Which Debian release are you *trying* to run? You are aware that mixing stable with anything but backports leads to pain and broken systems, aren't you? I would recommend to install wine from squeeze *or* to completely upgrade to wheezy *first* before pulling packages from sid. |
| 09:55.26 | inc0 | so remove everything but experimental form sources list? |
| 09:55.57 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134019/ heres sources list btw |
| 09:56.07 | babilen | inc0: I also have no idea what the frickelplatz repository is, but the packages there are not supported by us. Please contact the maintainer. Are you sure that the packages there are packaged for squeeze? (I wouldn't think so, but I have never heard of this "gefrickel" before) |
| 09:56.45 | babilen | inc0: Which Debian release are you trying to run? |
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| 09:56.54 | inc0 | wheezy |
| 09:57.01 | inc0 | and I've found this repo in one of forums |
| 09:57.07 | inc0 | since it has lastest wine |
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| 10:01.42 | babilen | inc0: Well, make sure you run an up-to-date wine and contact the maintainer of these frickel-packages for help. It looks as if they are not packaged for Debian -- If you want to investigate yourself check "apt-cache policy PKG" for all packages apt-get complains about. FWIW -- You can get wine packages for sid from http://www.winehq.org/download/debian but they are also not supported by *us* -- #winehq will, however, support them. |
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| 10:01.47 | jelly | peraps they're frickel amazing, perhaps not |
| 10:03.01 | inc0 | well I've tried, but still I got depends problem |
| 10:03.15 | inc0 | for example ia32-libs |
| 10:03.55 | babilen | ,versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 10:03.56 | judd | Package: ia32-libs on amd64 -- lenny: 2.7+lenny2; sid: 20110609; squeeze: 20110609; wheezy: 20110609; squeeze-proposed-updates: 20111001 |
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| 10:06.26 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134021/ |
| 10:06.27 | inc0 | etc |
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| 10:10.22 | sephii | Hello, IÂ have a munin plugin that should report the amount of spam received, but this plugin parses the /var/log/mail.log file, which is chmodded to 0640 and belongs to root:adm, so it can't read it. What's the best way to make this plugin working? |
| 10:11.11 | sephii | (and afaik the plugin runs with the munin:munin user) |
| 10:13.05 | babilen | inc0: I would recommend the following: Remove *all* entries in sources.list that refer to squeeze and frickelplatz, you also don't need sources for sid *and* unstable. I would also recommend to use "wheezy" instead of "testing", but that is not absolutely necessary (but has different semantics) -- After you've done that: "apt-get update" and let me take a look at the output of "aptitude search ~b" |
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| 10:13.44 | babilen | inc0: The output of "aptitude search ~o" would also be of interest -- Please put *everything* (including your new sources.list) in a single pastebin. Thank you. (brb) |
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| 10:21.48 | inc0 | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/134025/ |
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| 10:36.14 | markinfo | i managed with "echo 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb3/remove" to turn one USB port off. How to turn it on again? |
| 10:37.11 | babilen | inc0: Please run: "aptitude search -F '%00p' ~b|xargs apt-cache policy" and show me the output -- Those are all broken packages that you have to reinstall. |
| 10:37.16 | kuznetzvo | echo 0? |
| 10:37.20 | kuznetzvo | just a guess. |
| 10:37.48 | kuznetzvo | otherwise i'm way too high to be using a computer |
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| 10:38.25 | markinfo | kuznetzvo, no - "echo 0" does not work. |
| 10:38.46 | kuznetzvo | the i apologize, i'm way too high to be using a computer |
| 10:39.08 | flaccid | http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/devices-power-management/usb.php |
| 10:39.10 | flaccid | on ? |
| 10:39.51 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134027/ I dont know why LC_ALL=C doesnt work tho.. |
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| 10:40.36 | flaccid | maybe /power/state is what you though not sure |
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| 10:44.29 | babilen | inc0: Ok, run "apt-get purge libwine-alsa-unstable libwine-bin-unstable" (show me the errors (if any)) and then "aptitude reinstall ~b" |
| 10:45.06 | babilen | inc0: You also want to run "aptitude purge ~o" |
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| 10:46.50 | inc0 | done, no errors |
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| 10:48.29 | inc0 | now, how to install new wine properly? |
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| 10:48.35 | inc0 | wine has no installation candidates |
| 10:52.58 | babilen | inc0: You can either grab wine-unstable from sid (apt-get -t sid install wine) which will give you the unfortunately outdated Debian packages of wine or install it from http://www.winehq.org/download/debian http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ and get support in #winehq |
| 10:53.26 | babilen | inc0: Do you still get results when you run "aptitude search ~b" ? |
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| 10:54.08 | inc0 | ah yes I do |
| 10:54.10 | inc0 | hold on |
| 10:54.30 | babilen | inc0: Did you run "aptitude reinstall ~b" ? |
| 10:54.40 | inc0 | I did |
| 10:54.46 | inc0 | and worked out with no errors |
| 10:54.47 | babilen | (and aptitude purge ~o) |
| 10:55.18 | babilen | May I see the output of "aptitude search ~b" again please? |
| 10:55.48 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134029/ |
| 10:56.01 | inc0 | ah, hold on, this is output of reinstall |
| 10:56.24 | babilen | Looks as if no packages are matched by ~b (and broken) anymore |
| 10:56.33 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134030/ search |
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| 10:57.41 | babilen | inc0: What does "aptitude keep-all ; aptitude search ~b ; aptitude -f install" give you? (Don't install anything yet, just show me the output) |
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| 10:59.58 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134032/ |
| 11:00.51 | babilen | inc0: Wonderful -- Please run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and your Debian system should be fixed and up-to-date. You can then continue to install wine. |
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| 11:02.43 | inc0 | tyvm babilen |
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| 11:04.32 | babilen | inc0: You are welcome -- i wouldn't recommend to add random repositories to your sources.list as these might result in broken packages/systems and are not supported by us. |
| 11:04.58 | Bushmills | which if the packages scilab, sage, octave, all available in debian, is the one coming closest to matlab? |
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| 11:05.20 | inc0 | yes, but usually debian packages are ages old |
| 11:05.21 | Bushmills | of the, even |
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| 11:05.49 | babilen | Bushmills: octave probably |
| 11:06.36 | Bushmills | thanks, octave will be the first to look at, then |
| 11:07.05 | babilen | s/probably// actually |
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| 11:10.23 | babilen | inc0: I know (a pity that is) -- I would recommend to join #winehq and use their packages from carbon-project. I have not personally used and can/will not support them, but they are blessed by upstream and maintained by a DD |
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| 11:10.47 | tensorpudding | Bushmills, sage is python, but can use octave for computations, it's not in debian though |
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| 11:11.03 | inc0 | and thats what I'm going to do babilen :) tyvm again for your time |
| 11:11.13 | babilen | inc0: Have fun! :) |
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| 11:14.34 | BigTuna- | i setup hardware raid on my new HP server. Trying to install debian but it won't recognize the logic drive. Instead it asks which hard drive to install it on. Is this a debian installer issue or an issue with my server raid setup? |
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| 11:24.52 | inc0 | ehh, again problems with is32-libs>< |
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| 11:25.57 | babilen | inc0: You know the drill â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:27.53 | inc0 | http://paste.debian.net/134039/ |
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| 11:29.37 | babilen | inc0: Hmm, what does "apt-cache policy gcc-4.6-base" give you? What about "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 11:30.56 | inc0 | well, hmm, I think I know now, I tried to install it from sid |
| 11:30.58 | inc0 | not wheezy |
| 11:31.14 | babilen | inc0: Ah! You already installed some sid packages and in particular gcc-4.6-base from sid. You might have to either: Remove those packages and reinstall the wheezy version *or* grab ia32-libs from sid -- Please also note that wheezy/sid support is typically done in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:31.44 | inc0 | babilen, and this channel is invite-only;) |
| 11:31.56 | babilen | inc0: On irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
| 11:32.05 | inc0 | oh |
| 11:32.12 | inc0 | ok, tyvm then |
| 11:32.22 | babilen | No problem -- See you there |
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| 11:36.07 | Bushmills | tensorpudding: i think i saw sage in debian |
| 11:36.31 | tensorpudding | it was packaged, once |
| 11:36.41 | tensorpudding | but if it's still packaged the package is heavily out of date |
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| 11:37.41 | Bushmills | hm, not anymore. me mistaken |
| 11:38.05 | niklaswe | does someone know how i can get time from dmesg.. when stuff happening.. ? |
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| 11:38.45 | Bushmills | you could add the time offset to uptime |
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| 11:44.55 | niklaswe | Bushmills: I have using -r with dmesg but it looks like this machine doesn't have -r |
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| 11:52.02 | Bushmills | "don't strip the log level prefixes" seems to bear no relevance to displaying absolute times |
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| 12:02.15 | XTF | Hi. What's the best way to support restart-on-crash for a custom daemon? |
| 12:03.45 | streuner | dpkg, info restartd |
| 12:04.16 | dpkg | restartd: (Process checker and/or restarter), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
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| 12:10.22 | DasEi | XTF: have a script evoked by a cronjob, say hourly f.e. |
| 12:13.36 | Bushmills | XTF: "best"? start with respawn from inittab is one way |
| 12:13.39 | XTF | DasEi: You're kidding me right? |
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| 12:14.06 | Bushmills | monit is another. or daemon-tools |
| 12:14.26 | Bushmills | daemontools, actually |
| 12:14.31 | DasEi | XTF: no, but might not be the best way |
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| 12:15.33 | XTF | restartd seems a little hackish |
| 12:15.43 | XTF | inittab seems wrong. Will have a look at monit |
| 12:16.00 | Bushmills | monit is overkill for one single daemon |
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| 12:16.20 | XiGuLoR | Hi |
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| 12:18.25 | XTF | Hmm. What about daemon-tools then? |
| 12:18.51 | Bushmills | should do |
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| 12:20.36 | wfq | hi guys |
| 12:21.35 | abrotman | RUN! |
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| 12:23.09 | niklaswe | hmm would be nice if i could see which application some had a specific pid |
| 12:24.15 | th0r | niklaswe: ps ax | grep <pid> |
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| 12:26.04 | niklaswe | th0r: yeah.. but the process die, so didn't see which application it was some used that pid.. |
| 12:26.08 | niklaswe | thats the problem :P |
| 12:27.22 | abrotman | did it die gracefully? |
| 12:28.36 | niklaswe | abrotman: i only see nc [defunct] but i didn't see the parent pid for that proccess |
| 12:28.57 | niklaswe | hmm i will wait till it happens again.. |
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| 12:39.47 | wfq | hi guys |
| 12:41.01 | wfq | this article guides you how to set up a dhcp server http://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server, but I Just want the server to be action on one of my two interfaces. Can anyone please give me a hint how I could o that? thanks |
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| 12:41.56 | wfq | oh just spot it on: INTERFACES="eth1" |
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| 12:42.55 | XiGuLoR | wfq: it's monday ;-) |
| 12:43.16 | wfq | Monday? isn't Tuesday today? |
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| 12:44.13 | XiGuLoR | No no ... monday 2 ... tommorow monday 3 etc ... but friday is still friday |
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| 12:46.41 | abrotman | wfq: IIRC, the dhcp server manpage tells you how |
| 12:46.47 | abrotman | ah, he found it |
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| 12:53.24 | metaperl | I'm having some problems upgrading my Debian/testing system, revolving around kernel upgrades, multiarch-support and libc6 - https://github.com/metaperl/karuna/issues/3 |
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| 12:58.51 | babilen | metaperl: I would have thought that the warnings from the packaging system would have stopped you from proceding, but well. You need to install a newer kernel than the one you are running now. (which? uname-r) As 3.0 has been released you want to install the linux-image-686 *not* the linux-image-2.6-686 one |
| 12:59.13 | babilen | metaperl: Or just install the real kernel image directly. |
| 12:59.29 | metaperl | babilen: uname -r reveals 2.6.18.8-linode22 |
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| 12:59.55 | metaperl | babilen: so what is the exact apt-get command you recommend? |
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| 13:00.41 | abrotman | install the metapackage |
| 13:00.51 | metaperl | ok, apt-get linux-image-686 is my guess |
| 13:00.53 | babilen | metaperl: I recommend talking to your VPS provider as what you are doing is probably not supported by them. (you see the kernel from the host) |
| 13:00.53 | jelly | mmm, meat-a-package |
| 13:00.59 | abrotman | thought linux-image-2.6-686 was depending on 3.0 |
| 13:01.16 | babilen | ,depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release wheezy |
| 13:01.16 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-686 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: linux-image-686-pae, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
| 13:01.20 | jelly | babilen: linode uses xen, there might be a way to plug own kernel |
| 13:01.31 | babilen | jelly: Good to know, ta! |
| 13:01.43 | metaperl | so you're sayhing I should type `apt-get install linux-image-686-pae` ? |
| 13:01.46 | jelly | how exactly, no idea |
| 13:01.52 | metaperl | (assuming I want to fix things (grin)) |
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| 13:05.09 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:05.19 | Vye | Are there any network gurus here that could take a look at the connection issue I'm having with my router running iptables on debian? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=70972 |
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| 13:07.53 | fhd | Hi. Can I use two seperate configuration files in /etc/sites-enabled to configure two different locations (e.g. /one and /two) in apache? |
| 13:08.15 | fhd | I know that this works with subdomains, but I can't get it running with directories or locations. |
| 13:09.39 | wfq | I have now set up eth0 and eth1. eth0's IP is assigned by using the dhcp server by default in the network and on the eth1 I want to set up a dhcp server. Before doing anything with the dhcp server I lose my internet connection on eth0 if eth1 is up. If I do ifdown eth1 && ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0, eth0 starts working again |
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| 13:10.01 | wfq | how can I have bot up but still get eth0 working? is there any way to say what the main interface is please? |
| 13:11.13 | XiGuLoR | Did you specify a gateway on eth1 ? |
| 13:12.02 | wfq | fhd, why don't you just do two virtual hosts where the two folders are at the root of the apache's document root by default /var/ww/one /var/www/two |
| 13:12.12 | abrotman | fhd: you mean /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ? |
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| 13:13.01 | fhd | abrotman: Yes |
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| 13:13.16 | abrotman | fhd: you want yoursite.com/one/ and yoursite.com/two/ ? |
| 13:13.18 | wfq | XiGuLoR, I just want to get eth0 as my main interface. I think it uses by default eth1 and this is connected to a server directly via wire |
| 13:13.30 | fhd | abrotman: Yeah, but I need it in separate sites-enabled files |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | fhd: are /one/ and /two/ in separate directories ? |
| 13:13.50 | fhd | wfq: You mean the same document root? |
| 13:13.51 | wfq | fhd, you can do that by creating different virtual hosts |
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| 13:14.04 | abrotman | he doesn't even need virtual hosts |
| 13:14.07 | fhd | abrotman: Yes. /one is in fact a proxy for a tomcat server |
| 13:14.27 | abrotman | fhd: you could do that .. files won't contain much, but yes you can |
| 13:14.31 | wfq | fhd, what abrotman said is true as long as you want to refer to them as mydomain/one and mydomain/two |
| 13:14.33 | fhd | wfq: My problem is that one of the sites-enabled files is just ignored if I do that |
| 13:14.37 | wfq | if you create two subfolders |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | fhd: a2enmod ? |
| 13:14.57 | abrotman | fhd: you can just use an Alias, right ? |
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| 13:15.02 | fhd | abrotman: Yeah |
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| 13:15.27 | fhd | abrotman: Right now I have one virtual host that configures a proxy to tomcat, and one that sets an alias to /two for a directory /opt/two |
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| 13:15.44 | abrotman | okay .. and what is the error in the apache logs |
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| 13:16.17 | wfq | fhd, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 13:16.20 | XiGuLoR | wfq: yeap but if you specify a gateway on the eth1 config, all your trafic may be directed via eth1 when you bring it up. => My question, did you specify a gateway ? If yes remove it and try again. You may use the 'route' command to check if after enabling eth1 something change on your routing table |
| 13:16.28 | fhd | abrotman: Hm. None, really. |
| 13:16.53 | wfq | XiGuLor, I see what you mean |
| 13:16.56 | wfq | shall try this |
| 13:17.06 | fhd | abrotman: One virtual host is just silently ignored |
| 13:17.34 | fhd | abrotman: Do I need two different document roots? |
| 13:17.50 | wfq | XiGuLoR, it was definitely that one |
| 13:17.52 | wfq | thanks |
| 13:17.56 | fhd | abrotman: I don't really understand how Apache decides that two virtual hosts are actually the same and should overwrite each other |
| 13:18.05 | fhd | abrotman: I thoguht it was the absense of a "ServerName" setting |
| 13:18.06 | gnarface | ,versions ejabberd |
| 13:18.07 | judd | Package: ejabberd on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.1-6+lenny3; lenny-security: 2.0.1-6+lenny3; squeeze: 2.1.5-3; lenny-backports: 2.1.5-3+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.1.5-3+squeeze1; sid: 2.1.8-1; wheezy: 2.1.8-1 |
| 13:18.14 | XiGuLoR | You'r welcome |
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| 13:19.10 | abrotman | fhd: you're not dealing with virtual hosts in this case it seems .. right ? |
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| 13:20.18 | fhd | abrotman: No, at least not name based virtual hosts. It would be "location based" virtual hosts |
| 13:20.35 | fhd | abrotman: Instead of one.example.com and two.example.com, I wan't example.com/one and example.com/two |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | which is an Alias AIUI |
| 13:20.55 | abrotman | try them in the main config file .. see if you get an error |
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| 13:22.18 | fhd | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/6R3bUhdA |
| 13:22.20 | fhd | wfq: http://pastebin.com/6R3bUhdA |
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| 13:22.54 | abrotman | really needs to fix ajaxterm |
| 13:22.56 | fhd | abrotman: wfq: /one works, /two doesn't. No error message. |
| 13:23.39 | wfq | fhd, this is a question for #httpd |
| 13:23.52 | fhd | wfq: I tried to ask there, but I don't get voice |
| 13:23.57 | abrotman | fhd: uhm, that'S a virtual host .. i really mean without those .. just a straight Alias |
| 13:24.01 | wfq | but what is going on is that the two virtual hosts are being overlapped |
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| 13:24.16 | wfq | I think you need servername |
| 13:24.17 | fhd | abrotman: HM. I somehow assumed I have to put virtualhosts in /etc/sites-enabled |
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| 13:24.55 | wfq | there is a crappy way of doing this which is creating two symbolic links to /opt/one and /two respectively |
| 13:25.02 | wfq | and then type domain/one |
| 13:25.03 | deeLer | hello, how can i find filenames with illegal characters, showing an inverted "?" in the filename |
| 13:25.05 | wfq | domain/two |
| 13:25.11 | fhd | abrotman: Works! |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | fhd: technically, you can put anything you like to supplement your config in sites-enabled .. |
| 13:25.30 | fhd | wfq: Just leaving out the <VirtualHost *:80> Tags works |
| 13:25.49 | fhd | abrotman: Yeah. This will suffice in my case |
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| 13:25.54 | fhd | abrotman: But it does seem a bit unclean |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 13:25.57 | abrotman | it is :) |
| 13:26.09 | fhd | abrotman: Especially since I actually need that for SSL :) |
| 13:26.12 | wfq | that is why I was saying you were overwriting the virtual hots |
| 13:26.14 | abrotman | deeLer: man find |
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| 13:26.27 | wfq | fhd, if you need ssh in one of them only, you better use virtualhosts |
| 13:26.35 | fhd | wfq: Yeah, I hoped apache would let me specify virtual hosts location based, but it doesn't seem to do that |
| 13:26.37 | wfq | but you will need namevirtualhots directive |
| 13:26.52 | wfq | fhd, you need to read a tutorial of apache |
| 13:26.55 | wfq | it is not a debian issue |
| 13:27.04 | wfq | I know it is a bit painful |
| 13:27.19 | fhd | wfq: I would have asked in #httpd, but I can't :( |
| 13:27.21 | abrotman | wfq: it kind of is a Debian issue |
| 13:27.25 | fhd | wfq: Thanks for helping me here |
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| 13:27.38 | abrotman | wfq: the config itself is broken, but the way that Debian does the config .. #httpd hates it |
| 13:27.42 | wfq | fhd, have a look at here; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 13:27.49 | abrotman | so they almost always send people here to deal with it |
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| 13:28.03 | wfq | I know httpd hates it but he can ask without mentioning about debian |
| 13:28.08 | fhd | wfq: That doesn't cover my problem |
| 13:28.17 | wfq | then transfer it to debian |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | wfq: as soon as you say "sites-enabled" they know |
| 13:28.33 | rgr | fhd: you create your virtualhosts file whereever then symlink into sites-available with a suitable name. then use sudo a2ensite to enable it. |
| 13:28.38 | wfq | he does not need to mention |
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| 13:28.46 | wfq | his problem is how to set up two different virtual hosts |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | rgr: you're not helping |
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| 13:28.55 | abrotman | wfq: but he's not trying to do that .. |
| 13:29.04 | rgr | yes I am. Since he just said the wrong place for this virtualhosts file. Look above. |
| 13:29.08 | wfq | I think so because he wants one with ssl |
| 13:29.17 | wfq | and the other one not |
| 13:29.19 | abrotman | rgr: he does NOT need virtual hosts at this point |
| 13:29.27 | wfq | there is no way of getting that unless you define two virtual hosts |
| 13:29.27 | abrotman | wfq: only if one *requires* it |
| 13:29.39 | abrotman | or he cares about dirty certs |
| 13:29.44 | wfq | and one requires it according to his words? |
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| 13:29.52 | wfq | anyway |
| 13:30.13 | abrotman | in reality, he might prefer to do one.host.com and two.host.com .. may end up being easier to manage |
| 13:30.17 | wfq | I need to know if my dhcp server works now :). Bloody windows ie7... it is just terrible to deal with |
| 13:30.25 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:30.35 | wfq | *windows 7 |
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| 13:30.54 | abrotman | you can also require SSL just for certain directories |
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| 13:32.52 | rgr | out of curiosity why "location based" as opposed to virtualhosts which make management so much easier? virtualhosts contain a pointer to their "location" and from then on its child play. |
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| 13:33.21 | wfq | it works! bloody hell ... |
| 13:33.42 | rgr | Was that Ron Weasely? ;) |
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| 13:35.07 | abrotman | rgr: he asked for directories .. i just said he could force SSL for some directories .. |
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| 13:35.34 | rgr | I was hoping someone here running Debian Squeeze could do a little experiment for me : open google chrome stable and then right click and "inspect element" and tell me if you see the "scripts" icon. They're not coming up here making debugging js and jquery rather tricky... |
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| 13:36.13 | abrotman | doesn't want to install X to try this :) |
| 13:36.20 | abrotman | rgr: might want to specify which $ARCH |
| 13:36.21 | rgr | (and I dont like FF but obviously thats an option) |
| 13:36.31 | djura-san | my debian box is kinda slugissh with kernel 3.0 on amd athlon 2200+ (32bit, 18GHz). Anyone had a similar expirience? |
| 13:36.52 | djura-san | *sluggish |
| 13:36.59 | rgr | well, 32 bit debian x86 , but anyone than can confirm it doesnt work pretty much tells me its not my issue. |
| 13:37.23 | rgr | what does "kinda sluggish" mean and doing what? |
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| 13:38.17 | gnarface | i tried to add a snapshots.debian.org src to my apt sources.list and when i ran apt-get update i got this error: E: Release file expired, ignoring http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20110601T031942Z/dists/sid/Release (invalid since 118d 11h 5min 24s) |
| 13:38.19 | gnarface | how fix? |
| 13:38.19 | dvs | djura-san: 18GHz is sluggish?!? |
| 13:38.25 | djura-san | rgr: after any operation, like 2GB file copying or something like that (big md5sum check), it is sluggish and it takes some time to do any operation like open file, redraw images on screen etc. |
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| 13:38.51 | rgr | Hmm the scripts icon isnt even in the webkit browser dom. goddam it. |
| 13:38.52 | djura-san | dvs: it is not but with kernel 3 it is. I have 2.6.39 on my box too and there it is everything is okay |
| 13:39.00 | abrotman | gnarface: get the key file? |
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| 13:40.17 | amine | hey |
| 13:40.55 | gnarface | abrotman: uh... probably not. how should i do that? |
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| 13:42.04 | gnarface | abrotman: apt-get install apt-get install devscripts? |
| 13:42.09 | amine | I did aptitude update/upgrade this morning and it is trying to install sid packages. Any idea why? |
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| 13:43.25 | dvs | amine: Because your sources.list says so? |
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| 13:44.19 | abrotman | gnarface: debian-keyring ? |
| 13:44.31 | amine | dvs: I'm on squeeze main. I have squeeze-backports in there, though, for one package |
| 13:44.43 | amine | http://pastebin.com/i4mRMGTL |
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| 13:46.21 | dvs | amine: What's line 28? |
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| 13:47.00 | amine | dvs: I see that, but it isn't in my sources.list |
| 13:47.24 | dvs | amine: you sure? post it. |
| 13:47.41 | amine | dvs: http://pastebin.com/QbB2RHBZ |
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| 13:48.44 | gnarface | abrotman: it wasn't installed but nope, that doesn't fix it. it says the file is expired for 118 days man... should this even work? i sorta just guessed |
| 13:48.53 | gnarface | abrotman: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20110601T031942Z/ |
| 13:49.02 | dvs | weird |
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| 13:52.56 | burd_tu | EDAC e7xxx: error reporting device not found:vendor 8086 device 0x2541 (broken BIOS?) << This is happening on two Lenny servers i upgraded with the latest kernel yesterday.. anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 13:54.54 | sje46 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.05 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:2541 |
| 13:56.06 | judd | [8086:2541] is 'E7500/E7501 Host RASUM Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2541 |
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| 14:03.14 | DaFresh | hi all |
| 14:04.06 | DaFresh | i am looking for something like arpwartch but for broadcast detection ... thx |
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| 14:08.53 | XiGuLoR | DaFresh: wireshark ? |
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| 14:12.07 | DaFresh | XiGuLoR: thx for the reply, actualy i use 'manualy' iftop / wireshark / iptop to detect them, but i am looking for something with a deamon running in background that can start script when a excessive broadcast is detected on the network |
| 14:12.37 | DaFresh | s/iptop/iftop |
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| 14:14.11 | Arafangion | Yikes, I started a tk program... And the fonts are HUGE. |
| 14:14.26 | Arafangion | Basically, my dpi setting seems stuffed up. (A side effect of using NVIdia's crap) |
| 14:14.36 | Arafangion | Where might I find more information about setting DPI? |
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| 14:14.56 | Arafangion | Almost every program is fine, just not tk. |
| 14:16.41 | XiGuLoR | DaFresh: Ah ok ... hum never heard about something that meet your needs sorry |
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| 14:24.35 | gnarface | abrotman: :( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595801 |
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| 14:29.05 | amine | Hi guys, my stable installation keeps hitting sid/main and it isn't in my /etc/apt/sources.list. This is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/ZgwFEwuZ This is what happens when I do aptitude update: http://pastebin.com/k8U8Fyey - notice how it keeps hitting sid? :( |
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| 14:29.50 | babilen | !show sources.list |
| 14:29.50 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 14:30.02 | babilen | amine: Please run ^^^ and paste the output again. |
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| 14:30.51 | DaFresh | XiGuLoR: no, thx anyway ;) |
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| 14:31.21 | DaFresh | XiGuLoR: s/no/np |
| 14:31.27 | amine | babilen: http://pastebin.com/rYiBmgj6 |
| 14:31.53 | babilen | amine: -> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sid.list is the culprit |
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| 14:32.18 | amine | Was that automatically created? |
| 14:32.26 | babilen | amine: NFC |
| 14:32.43 | amine | What does that mean? |
| 14:33.16 | babilen | amine: "no fucking clue" -- Did you install any third-party packages? Is this box administered by multiple people? |
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| 14:33.49 | amine | babilen: I added squeeze-backports but that shouldn't use sid, right? I will talk with the other admins after confirming that squeeze-backports isn't the issue |
| 14:34.29 | babilen | amine: It is not -- I would assume that one of the other admins created that file. (not the brightest idea) -- I would remove/move it and run |
| 14:34.34 | babilen | !not available |
| 14:34.34 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 14:34.45 | amine | babilen thanks |
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| 14:35.02 | babilen | amine: Or actually, make that: aptitude versions '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 14:35.35 | babilen | amine: And let me see the output (don't forget to run "apt-get update" / "aptitude update" after removing the sid repo |
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| 14:36.01 | jelly | How can I create a gpg symetrically encrypted file that can be decrypted with any of two separate distinct passphrases? |
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| 14:37.10 | amine | babilen: http://pastebin.com/F31b63pR - these might hav ebeen installed from sid because I did a aptitude update but it failed half way through the packages |
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| 14:37.52 | amine | babilen: will it downgrade those packages to stable if I do an update after removing sid? |
| 14:38.14 | abrotman | gnarface: so it is broken ? |
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| 14:41.14 | babilen | amine: No, those packages will and cannot be downgraded (or rather: your system is likely to break if you try). I would recommend to restore the box from backups. |
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| 14:41.59 | babilen | amine: Sorry for the bad news, but the set of packages installed from sid comprise gems such as libc6 that are essential packages for your system. |
| 14:42.03 | hborderiou | Hi |
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| 14:42.54 | hborderiou | When I do apache2 -S i've got the error apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 14:43.02 | amine | babilen: that sucks :( Thanks for the help |
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| 14:43.19 | babilen | amine: I know -- Good luck! |
| 14:43.24 | hborderiou | I've checked my /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/envvars and I think they are right |
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| 14:47.34 | XiGuLoR | hborderiou: and wich user is specified in your conf file ? |
| 14:47.35 | gnarface | abrotman: so it seems |
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| 14:47.49 | hborderiou | www-data |
| 14:47.53 | gnarface | abrotman: there is a simple work around though |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | gnarface: okay, good |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | goes back to clawing eyes out |
| 14:48.58 | XiGuLoR | hborderiou: did you change it ? Sure there is no bad hidden characters near the username ? Is this user still exist in your /etc/passwd ? |
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| 14:49.37 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: no I didn't change anything in this file... but if I do a echo ${APACHE_RUN_USER} , I've got nothing (as root :-( ) |
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| 14:52.18 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: isn't it weird ? |
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| 14:53.21 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: it's ok, i do a apache2ctl -S and it works |
| 14:53.52 | XiGuLoR | Aaaahhhhhh |
| 14:53.53 | XiGuLoR | Ben oui |
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| 14:54.10 | XiGuLoR | Read too fast, did not notice you missed the ctl part |
| 14:54.43 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: np |
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| 14:58.25 | hborderiou | Hi, I've got "Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server." with my virtual host |
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| 15:00.28 | XiGuLoR | hborderiou: and you have at least a file inside this folder ? Try to point the url directrly to it |
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| 15:00.54 | mplabs | Hello |
| 15:01.18 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: yes... and user rights are ok |
| 15:01.34 | mplabs | the services marked here (http://paste.debian.net/134088/) are the ones that are being loaded automatically at startup. I don't know all of them, should I remove/activate_again anyone else? |
| 15:01.58 | gapless | hi guys. trying to build the wireshark source from testing on squeeze using pbuilder. have built the corresponding libcap debs to /var/cache/pbuilder/result and added pointed OTHERMIRROR etc. to that dir as per http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks#How_to_include_local_packages_in_the_build . still getting unmet build deps: http://pastie.org/2638155 ... what might be wrong? |
| 15:02.01 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: can't it be a pb with my FollowSymLinks ? |
| 15:02.14 | mplabs | (by the way, that was the output of rcconf) |
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| 15:05.14 | XiGuLoR | hborderiou: Hum ... are you sure you reach the right virtualhost ? Specify a separeate error and access file for this and see if you reach the right vhost |
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| 15:05.54 | hborderiou | XiGuLoR: I've found it... I had a line +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch and if I comment it, it works |
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| 15:09.03 | Amarande | hmm. is it normal for there to be random font weight glitchiness on iceweasel on debian? |
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| 15:09.39 | Amarande | like, everything's readable, but fairly often normal weight fonts will render as bolder than normal (this seems to often go away during scroll down/up, and always does if the errant text is selected) |
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| 15:12.53 | wfq | hi guys |
| 15:13.05 | wfq | can I backport thunar 1.2.3 from unstable to testing? |
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| 15:13.48 | babilen | ,checkbackport thunar |
| 15:13.51 | judd | Backporting package thunar in sidâsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libexo-1-dev (>= 0.5.1), libxfce4util-dev (>= 4.8.0), libxfce4ui-1-dev (>= 4.8.0), xfce4-panel-dev (>= 4.8.0). |
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| 15:14.25 | babilen | wfq: Looks like doing so requires quite some work |
| 15:14.59 | wfq | babilen I am on wheezy |
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| 15:15.21 | babilen | wfq: Ah, to testing :) -- Just pull the package from sid, no backport is needed. |
| 15:15.56 | wfq | babilen, you mean to download or add the proper source to my source.list? |
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| 15:16.42 | babilen | wfq: I mean: Add sid sources, set the <default release> to "wheezy" or use appropriate <pinning> and install the package with "apt-get -t sid install thunar" |
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| 15:18.53 | wfq | brilliant, thanks |
| 15:19.03 | babilen | wfq: (you can ask dpkg (our bot) about the things in <..> (e.g /msg dpkg default release) |
| 15:19.11 | babilen | ) |
| 15:20.16 | wfq | hmm that is very good one |
| 15:20.29 | wfq | thanks again |
| 15:20.35 | babilen | You are welcome, enjoy! |
| 15:20.44 | gapless | that's pretty cool |
| 15:20.50 | gapless | ,checkbackport wireshark |
| 15:20.55 | judd | Backporting package wireshark in sidâsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
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| 15:21.30 | babilen | gapless: "/msg judd checkbackport wireshark" ;) -- And yeah, that is cool. |
| 15:21.35 | babilen | themill++ |
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| 15:23.11 | gapless | babilen, heh, got it :) |
| 15:23.15 | jelly | ,checkbackport linux-image-686-pae |
| 15:23.18 | judd | Backporting package linux-image-686-pae in sidâsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: linux-support-3.0.0-1. |
| 15:23.57 | jelly | ,checkbackport linux-image-686-pae --recurse |
| 15:23.59 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <i386>]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and i386 are used. |
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| 15:24.35 | jelly | --build-it-for-me-and-dcc |
| 15:25.08 | babilen | jelly: patches welcome ;) |
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| 15:30.28 | Amarande | ,checkbackport wine --arch amd64 |
| 15:30.30 | judd | Backporting package wine in sidâsqueeze/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
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| 15:30.59 | jelly | Amarande: that's not saying much. |
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| 15:31.06 | jelly | ,versions wine |
| 15:31.06 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 15:31.30 | jelly | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 15:31.31 | Amarande | wow, even experimental is terribly out of date then |
| 15:31.31 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.35-1 |
| 15:31.44 | Amarande | I think they're up to 1.3.x now |
| 15:31.55 | jelly | yeah, just forget the current state of wine in Debian |
| 15:32.00 | jelly | !wine-unstable |
| 15:32.00 | dpkg | Unofficial but more up-to-date builds of wine-unstable for sid at http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 15:33.05 | tabakhase_ | hello there |
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| 15:33.42 | tabakhase_ | ive got a embedded tomcat starting from a "normal" user context, how can i allow that user to start smth on port 80? |
| 15:34.22 | Virtualmix | Hi there! I removed the nvidia non-free driver and installed the nouveau driver instead but now everything is broken and I cannot even access the tty console (the display is flickering its impossible to use) |
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| 15:34.58 | cantido | Virtualmix: have you rebooted since doing it? |
| 15:35.00 | BigTuna- | from the netinstall image can I run the install with a parameter (load driver)? it brings me right to a GUI menu when I boot off it. |
| 15:35.32 | XiGuLoR | tabakhase: only privilegied users may use ports <1024 ... so my first reaction will be "must be in the root group" |
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| 15:35.37 | Virtualmix | I had to boot on the recovery mode to have a graphical session. What did I do wrong? |
| 15:35.44 | Amarande | XiGuLoR, must be the root user actually |
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| 15:36.01 | Virtualmix | cantido: yes, a few times |
| 15:36.09 | Amarande | tabakhase, you're going to have to somehow have the program start as root and then relinquish privileges after binding to the port |
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| 15:37.03 | tabakhase_ | Amorphous the program is jira standalone, so a wired javapackaged package... |
| 15:37.17 | gapless | tabakhase, you could use setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' /path/to/program (dunno how well that works with Tomcat) or (as I do) bind to a port > 1024 and use port forwarding |
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| 15:37.55 | cantido | Virtualmix: what if you boot in "rescue mode" |
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| 15:38.10 | tabakhase_ | gapless so smth like iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to 8080? |
| 15:38.15 | cantido | Virtualmix: I've never seen the binary nvidia driver mess up framebuffer virtual terminals |
| 15:38.22 | gapless | tabakhase, precisely :) |
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| 15:38.54 | Virtualmix | cantido: Yes, this is what I'm am currently doing. The only way I can have a working graphical session |
| 15:39.03 | tabakhase_ | hm, google tells smth about "authbind"... |
| 15:39.37 | tabakhase_ | but for using authbind i would need to modify jira -> no go |
| 15:39.43 | petern__ | Virtualmix, using gdm3? |
| 15:39.54 | Virtualmix | petern__: yes |
| 15:40.18 | petern__ | i mentioned this the other day, if xorg fails to start, gdm3 behaves really badly. it just restarts it constantly. gdm2 used to give up after 3 goes... |
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| 15:40.27 | petern__ | Virtualmix, the solution given was, er, boot in recovery mode :S |
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| 15:40.47 | petern__ | so basically, check your xorg config, make sure nvidia isn't set as the driver, etc... |
| 15:41.33 | cantido | booting in rescue mode and checking the xorg log would be a good idea ;) |
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| 15:42.35 | Virtualmix | cantido, petern__ , thank you, I'm going to have a look at my xorg.conf |
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| 15:43.07 | cantido | wonders what gdm thinks its going to do by restarting over and over.. |
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| 15:45.27 | petern__ | dunno but it's really persistent :S |
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| 15:45.50 | Virtualmix | what if I remove nouveau and delete my xorg.conf ? :-) |
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| 15:47.56 | tabakhase_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 176.31.*.* --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to 8080 just kicks me a "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-4-pve/modules.dep: No such file or directory \n iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist" |
| 15:49.15 | cantido | Virtualmix: Vesa should work atleast |
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| 15:50.44 | Virtualmix | cantido: Thank you, I'm going to give it a try :) |
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| 15:51.50 | jason_ | hey guys - anybody ever utilize Debian/LTSP on PPC clients? |
| 15:52.04 | gapless | tabakhase_, hmm is that a stock Debian kernel you're running? |
| 15:53.02 | tabakhase_ | gapless not a hundret percent, its the appliance shipped within openVZ |
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| 15:56.10 | tabakhase_ | seems like there is a fix.. |
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| 15:57.04 | gapless | tabakhase_, ah "pve" is "promox virtual environment". unfamiliar to me. i suspect the case might be that your VPS provider needs to configure that for you. not sure. |
| 15:57.20 | gapless | *proxmox |
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| 15:58.43 | tabakhase_ | gapless "i am my vps provider" ;-) |
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| 15:59.52 | gapless | tabakhase, ah :). configuring openvz is beyond my expertise, I'm afraid |
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| 16:00.18 | tabakhase_ | i found smth in the forums... trying... |
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| 16:01.00 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, lsmod | grep nat , should have an answer if it is enabled |
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| 16:03.32 | Chelsea_1 | Hi all, how do I install a x86 package in a amd64 architecture? |
| 16:03.50 | cantido | Chelsea_1: you don't, not yet anyhow |
| 16:04.51 | Chelsea_1 | cantido, thanks for the quick response... though you defenitely ruined my day ;) |
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| 16:05.46 | cantido | Chelsea_1: I think the idea of the multiarch stuff is to allow i386 stuff to be installed, but I dont think thats there yet.. unless someone else knows more |
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| 16:06.17 | cantido | Chelsea_1: there is nothing to stop you installing the ia32 libs and running it outside of dpkgs control |
| 16:06.24 | tabakhase_ | dutchfish its not, nether on hardware node nor on the virtual machine |
| 16:07.04 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, i gues you need to modprobe it then |
| 16:07.09 | dutchfish | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 16:07.58 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, or define it on a conf file like openvz ie /etc/vz/vz.conf |
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| 16:08.26 | tabakhase_ | dutchfish thats what ive just tryed, following last post on http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=33068&&srch=hostnode#msg_33068 |
| 16:08.41 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, i don't know for proxmox, but i gues it's analogues |
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| 16:09.07 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, then it loads on boot i gues, or manually modprobe th emodule |
| 16:09.45 | tabakhase_ | module "nat" "ipt_nat" & "iptables_nat" throws module not found right now |
| 16:10.00 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, it should be modprobe ip_nat |
| 16:10.13 | tabakhase_ | -.- namings |
| 16:10.33 | tabakhase_ | shapow done works -.- thanks |
| 16:10.39 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 16:10.54 | tabakhase_ | now just iptable is not happy within my chain, but thats another story.. |
| 16:11.14 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, i have no clue, i solely use Debian |
| 16:11.29 | joelio | Could someone tell me why linux-image-2.6-amd64 on Wheezy installs the 3.0 kernel? Having issues with some proprietry hardware that requires 2.6 headers (crap, I know) |
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| 16:12.27 | isfranc | hello |
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| 16:13.32 | BigTuna- | do netinstalls not show the boot: prompt? |
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| 16:14.05 | dutchfish | tabakhase_, maybe this gives a clue? http://lorenzod8n.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/very-simple-nat-set-up-on-debian/ |
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| 16:15.59 | dutchfish | BigTuna-, choose another tty, like alt-F2, and back to F1 when done |
| 16:16.26 | ElDiabolo | Is there a utility that on x86 logs the output from sensors, does sars do that? |
| 16:16.42 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, or munin |
| 16:16.47 | Chelsea_1 | cantido, Eeeh... could you maybe point me to some info where I can read more about it? (googling doesn't give me clear results) |
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| 16:19.20 | ElDiabolo | dutchfish, Thx. Recommendations? |
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| 16:20.47 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/229 |
| 16:21.15 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, i use it to monitor even the temperatures of systems etc etc |
| 16:21.49 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, and it does nice graphs as well |
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| 16:23.30 | ElDiabolo | dutchfish, My home system gets problems if I plugin an usb device or put in a cd I get crashes. I want a high resolution log of the voltages to see if they go down if that happens. Reasonable idea? |
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| 16:24.19 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, mm... thats more a rt monitoring directly form the kernel i gues |
| 16:24.48 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, or a trigger based on a log entry |
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| 16:26.00 | dutchfish | ElDiabolo, but if it was my system, i used a voltmeter on the culprit and provoked that situation |
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| 16:26.18 | ElDiabolo | I'll see. Tram reaches destination. thx and n8. |
| 16:26.19 | dutchfish | s/used/would use |
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| 16:26.27 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 16:38.08 | _snowball | Hey guys, having trouble with Xorg, my display driver and Debian. I used to be able to output 1920x1080 to my external LCD screen. this worked in Debian 5, ArchLinux, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc... so I know my computer has the capability. When I switch to 1920x1080 on the external, though, the screen becomes diagonal green lines and I can see some movement of the mouse. Also, right now the resolution being output to the external screen is 1680x1050 and that works |
| 16:39.09 | _snowball | I created a new xorg.conf, because I've seen that Xorg detects several external monitors (VGA1, the one I want), DP1 (not connected) and TV1 which has an "unknown connection". |
| 16:39.34 | _snowball | Tried to modify it to make it use intel driver on Screen1 (the external monitor, I presume), but it doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 16:39.49 | _snowball | 1116 people, someone must know. :P |
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| 16:42.51 | dualcore | i'm trying to get a $10 vivitar mini digital camera working in debian as a webcam, any suggestions? |
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| 16:47.24 | _snowball | Anyone? |
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| 16:50.51 | somiaj | _snowball: what graphics driver and debian version? |
| 16:51.19 | _snowball | somiaj: Debian 6 and integrated intel gma 4500hd (the intel mobile series 4) |
| 16:51.55 | somiaj | _snowball: not familar with using that card. Is there any non-free firmware you may have to install for it? |
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| 16:52.47 | _snowball | somiaj: usually, the 'intel' driver did just fine. But, if you feel up to it you could help me configure my xorg.conf, because Xorg automatically detects 4 displays, and assigns each of them a different card and driver. |
| 16:53.12 | _snowball | For example the external one gets vesa or fbdev (not sure which because Xorg autodetection failed, bad). |
| 16:53.16 | _snowball | *badly |
| 16:54.20 | somiaj | is that the display that isn't working right, the one that is using vesa? |
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| 16:55.15 | _snowball | somiaj: I don't know if it's using vesa, I thought that was the problem. So in xorg.conf I put 'intel' as the driver (not sure if I've done it correctly). |
| 16:55.28 | _snowball | Also, there isn't a way to check what device is using what driver at the moment, is there? |
| 16:55.51 | _snowball | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep driver isn't the best way. :P |
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| 16:56.29 | somiaj | _snowball: you could try xvinfo or glxinfo (if either xv or glx enabled). Or parse the xorg log |
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| 16:58.20 | _snowball | somiaj: wanna take a look at my log? |
| 16:58.23 | _snowball | HAHAHA |
| 16:58.31 | _snowball | In a completely linux-related way. :P |
| 16:58.33 | somiaj | _snowball: not really, but if you put it at paste.debian.net maybe someone else will |
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| 16:58.40 | _snowball | Alright. |
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| 17:00.40 | SashaNeko | i have a funny question. I have a debian dhcp server on my network and I was thinking about using it to seed the debian torrents |
| 17:00.52 | SashaNeko | anyone know a good command line torrent program |
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| 17:01.09 | _snowball | SashaNeko: rtorrent? |
| 17:01.09 | jason_ | hey guys - anybody ever utilize Debian/LTSP on PPC clients? |
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| 17:03.59 | khem_ | what do you guys recommend as the visually most attractive webstats / web analyzer for Apache logs? :-) |
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| 17:05.25 | nathwill | piwik |
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| 17:05.32 | nathwill | ^khem_ |
| 17:06.34 | khem_ | hey nathwill |
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| 17:07.33 | nathwill | khem_: http://piwik.org/ <-- good docs on setup/usage. i'm a fan |
| 17:07.59 | khem_ | nathwill: never heard of! thx |
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| 17:08.36 | nathwill | khem_: yw |
| 17:09.12 | jason_ | If I fire up Debian with LTSP, is it possible I can generate a PowerPC based chroot? I fell short with this on Ubuntu because Ubuntu doesn't support PPC, but Debian does from what I understand. Am I crazy to think I can generate a PPC chroot on an Intel system????? |
| 17:09.47 | khem_ | nathwill: looks really nice |
| 17:11.13 | nathwill | khem_: ja. it's not *technically* a "log analyzer", but if you are just looking for insight into your traffic, it's great. |
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| 17:11.39 | khem_ | nathwill: ja sounds very swedish |
| 17:11.44 | khem_ | :-) |
| 17:11.49 | khem_ | nathwill: yeah I just want my web traffic |
| 17:11.50 | nathwill | :p |
| 17:11.56 | somiaj | jason_: how will you run the ppc binaries? You need a ppc kernel for that. |
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| 17:12.05 | khem_ | for log analysis I rather use splunk / sawmill or octopuss and cover all formats |
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| 17:12.14 | jason_ | somiaj: I thought Debian had some sort of "wrapper" to counter that. |
| 17:12.29 | jason_ | somiaj: I have a PPC machine here, for what it's worth... but if I can avoid the install time, that's a plus. |
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| 17:12.56 | babilen | khem_, nathwill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506933 -- "apt-cache search apache log analyzer" comes up with alternatives. goaccess looks usable/helpful even though it might fall short of your requirements regarding "visually attractiveness" |
| 17:13.20 | jason_ | somiaj: my goal is to get a PPC linux system running and generate a LTSP chroot. Then copy that folder, hop on an Intel production server with LTSP and plop the chroot in place. Update it and then I should be able (in theory) to use PowerPC thin clients against my Intel-based server. |
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| 17:14.14 | somiaj | jason_: multi-arch doesn't work like that. Unless you have some sort of virtulization level that can emulate PPC and I think most of them allow emulation of the os but not allow a ppc virtual install on an intel system (I haven't heard of such a thing, it may exist but its not going to be easy) |
| 17:14.39 | jason_ | somiaj: well that's fine. like I said I have a PowerPC mac here I can use if need be. |
| 17:15.16 | jason_ | somiaj: Ubuntu just gives me some errors when I try to generate hte PPC chroot, mostly because I think the mirrors are borked. SUpposedly I can override it, which I may try with a --mirror option, but I'm not positive yet and that PPC system with ubuntu on it is in another building. |
| 17:15.47 | jason_ | somiaj: I don't even care what I use, whether it's debian, ubuntu, fedora... just something that can utilize these old macs as clients. it'd be a really, really sweet way to use this older hardware instead of tossing it. |
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| 17:16.02 | jason_ | somiaj: have you by chance used LTSP? |
| 17:16.05 | somiaj | jason_: sure you can install debian on that, but you won't be able to copy a chroot from that with powerpc binaries and expect it to run on a i386/amd64 kernel. There may be some virtualization that would allow this. That is where I would look, see if virtualbox, xen or someother virtualizing enviorment allows this. |
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| 17:16.42 | jason_ | somiaj: have you used ltsp? Because the chroot in ltsp is just... a folder. So yeah I can easily copy it. Will it work? LTSP devs say it should in theory... |
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| 17:17.29 | nathwill | babilen: thanks for the tip. doesn't get more visually attractive than that! :) |
| 17:17.51 | somiaj | jason_: no I haven't used LTSP, so the actual server isn't 'running' the binaries its just making them available for a client to run on their native hardware. That may work, but yes you will need a ppc system to set it up on as an intel kernel will not work inside a ppc chroot. |
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| 17:18.26 | jason_ | somiaj: yes, exactly. /opt/ltsp/i386 is where the 32 bit client information is stored, so when the clients boot they link to that exact folder. The key is I need that i386 to be ppc... |
| 17:18.28 | babilen | nathwill: hehe |
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| 17:19.02 | jason_ | somiaj: earlier I found someone who hosted a PPC chroot on a Fedora system, but it seems to be fussy when I try to run it on my Ubuntu install. I assume generating the chroot makes the chroot somewhat system-specific and mixing rpm vs deb OS's might cause it to be fussy? |
| 17:19.14 | jason_ | somiaj: unless that's just ubuntu being fussy due to its lack of PPC love. |
| 17:19.19 | somiaj | jason_: yea I'd set up the chroot on a ppc, because you won't be able to chroot into it from the intel server and configure it (since none of the binaries will work) -- as for sharing the binaries with a client. I'm unsure on that. I will agree with it could work in theory but no clue beyond that. |
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| 17:20.17 | somiaj | jason_: the only other option is build it inside a virtuilization enviorment that allows you to virtualize ppc kernel on intel. I haven't seen any support for such a thing, but I have never looked. |
| 17:20.36 | jason_ | somiaj: well thin clients tend to "leech" off the main system... so if I apt-get install audacity, audacity is magically available to the clients. with fat clients, I have to CD into the chroot and apt-get install audacity, so if I ran fat clients I'd need to continually utilize the PPC system to re-build the chroot for new add-ons, but I'm wondering (and hoping) that the ppc thin client chroot can still work with the i386 server... |
| 17:21.13 | jason_ | somiaj: it's just (being a mac-and-slowly-moving-to-linux school district) tough to see these old macs, which turn on and function, to go to waste simply because their PPC architecture hates the LTSP setup. |
| 17:21.25 | jason_ | somiaj: while limited in horsepower, these old G3 and G4 boxes would fly as thin clients.... |
| 17:21.28 | somiaj | jason_: no. You cannot run ppc binaries on a i386 kernel without virtualization. So chrooting into the enviroment will just get you tons of errors about incompadable binary format. |
| 17:21.52 | jason_ | somiaj: I don't actually chroot in to it when its a thin client. |
| 17:22.16 | jason_ | somiaj: that makes me wonder if installing audacity on the server would allow the clients to see audacity on the fly.... |
| 17:22.29 | jason_ | somiaj: otherwise, yes, I'd need to fire up the PPC system any time I need to make a chroot change. |
| 17:22.38 | jason_ | somiaj: doable? absolutely. a pain? oh yes. |
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| 17:26.05 | somiaj | jason_: sounds nifty, but not something I have any experience with. Yes you will most likely have to fire up the PPC system to make any changes to the thin client since the intel server won't be able to do anything inside the chroot install/configure new pacakges |
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| 17:26.45 | jason_ | somiaj: that's fine if that's what it takes. anything to save a dollar! and fortunately linux being thin, my remaining PPC machine can handle that... 1.2ghz PPC G4 with 512 RAM makes Ubuntu 10.04 flyyyyyy... |
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| 17:27.55 | somiaj | jason_: ther server I irc from is an old mac mini, my friend loves the ppc. Debian works well on them. |
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| 17:28.31 | jason_ | somiaj: not to get off topic, but does anybody still make PPC based systems? I wasn't sure if Apple abandoning PPC warranted another company to pick up support for the remaining fanatics. |
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| 17:31.09 | somiaj | jason_: I think the pc3 is a 64 bit RISC processor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC is a good starting point for reasearch |
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| 17:32.06 | jason_ | good deal |
| 17:32.20 | somiaj | arg ps3 not pc3 |
| 17:32.50 | dvs | Ironically, PS3 is a cell processor based on the Power platform |
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| 17:41.10 | blitz00 | Hello. Any filesystems expert around? |
| 17:41.18 | dvs | !ask |
| 17:41.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:41.44 | PerfDave | jason_: IBM still make POWER, which isn't quite the same thing as PowerPC |
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| 17:42.19 | zumbi | PerfDave: is POWER, PowerPCSPE? |
| 17:42.28 | PerfDave | What? |
| 17:42.38 | blitz00 | I want to rm a file, but rm complains that the file does not exists. But it does, i can read it, change ownerships, perms, but i can't move it, i can't delete it, I can copy it. No, it's not immutable, lsattr shows no flag set |
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| 17:42.46 | PerfDave | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7 |
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| 17:43.32 | blitz00 | It's a gfs2 filesystem, didn;t suffered a crashed recently, it did suffered one 3 weeks ago and did a sucessfully fsck on it.. but now i started finding files I can't delete |
| 17:44.24 | Shodan_ | what command would I use to print out a list of all files system wide that have been created or modified in the past hour? I was thinking ls -l -R | grep '2011-10-4' but that's for the whole day |
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| 17:44.58 | PerfDave | Shodan_: find -mtime |
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| 17:45.03 | dnyrgr | Hi, ive installed apache on ubuntu server everything seems to be working fine but I added a directory to /var/www and I get a 403 and 508 error when I try access those files froma browser can anyone help please? |
| 17:45.28 | jelly-home | dnyrgr: you want the #ubuntu-server channel |
| 17:45.33 | zumbi | PerfDave: http://wiki.debian.org/PowerPCSPEPort |
| 17:45.48 | Shodan_ | PerfDave: will try, thanks |
| 17:46.11 | dnyrgr | jelly-home: ok thanks sorry |
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| 17:46.52 | no_gravity | Good evening Gentlemen! "apt-cache search pkzip" brings up "tar - GNU version of the tar archiving utility" - whats the magic behind this? Is there a longer description of tar somewhere that contains the word pkzip? |
| 17:47.04 | blitz00 | http://paste.debian.net/134122 |
| 17:48.26 | jelly-home | no_gravity: apt-cache show packagename shows the longer description |
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| 17:48.30 | lord_rob | pkzip ? |
| 17:48.48 | PerfDave | zumbi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_e500 says that's a Freescale derivative of PowerPC which lacks an FPU; POWER is the arch from which PowerPC was derived. |
| 17:48.54 | jelly-home | no_gravity: you might have been searching for "zip" and/or "unzip" tools |
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| 17:49.20 | lord_rob | zip and unzip are the commands to do what pkzip does on DOS |
| 17:49.23 | no_gravity | jelly-home: yes! but i cant find them. |
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| 17:49.39 | jelly-home | no_gravity: those are also the respective package names |
| 17:49.41 | Shodan_ | Does "find -mmin 60" find files modified or created in the past 60 minutes? |
| 17:49.59 | jelly-home | Shodan_: there is no creation timestamp in POSIX in general. |
| 17:50.31 | Shodan_ | well modified then |
| 17:50.32 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 17:50.36 | PerfDave | Shodan_: No, it finds them modified exactly 60 minutes ago. See the TESTS section in "man find" |
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| 17:50.49 | no_gravity | jelly-home: interesting. "apt-cache show zip" outputs nothing. |
| 17:51.00 | jelly-home | ,info zip |
| 17:51.03 | judd | Package zip (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Archiver for .zip files. Version: 3.0-3; Size: 308.2k; Installed: 600k; Homepage: http://www.info-zip.org/Zip.html; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/zip |
| 17:51.09 | Shodan_ | ugh alright, I just want a good command to find all files modified within the past 60 mins |
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| 17:51.15 | jelly-home | no_gravity: does apt-cache policy zip show anything? |
| 17:51.25 | PerfDave | Shodan_: Find is the right command |
| 17:51.27 | Shodan_ | been using linux for a whole 2 days at this point lol |
| 17:51.45 | no_gravity | jelly-home: |
| 17:51.46 | no_gravity | zip: |
| 17:51.46 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.46 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.46 | no_gravity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.53 | PerfDave | Shodan_: Type "man find" to read the manual for find, and consult the TESTS section, as I just said :0 |
| 17:51.54 | jelly-home | Shodan_: find ... -mmin -60 (think "up to and including 60") |
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| 17:52.04 | no_gravity | re |
| 17:52.08 | jelly-home | !tell Shodan_ about using find |
| 17:52.27 | apteeth | how can two copies of a file have the same md5sum but different sizes reported by du, on the same ext4 filesystem? |
| 17:52.34 | no_gravity | So how do I go about installing zip? |
| 17:52.58 | PerfDave | apteeth: One's sparse, one isn't? |
| 17:53.10 | jelly-home | no_gravity: your /etc/apt/sources.list apt configuration file is incomplete, there's no proper debian mirror in there |
| 17:53.23 | PerfDave | apteeth: Hash collision? Do theyhave the same sha sum? |
| 17:53.27 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ok |
| 17:53.40 | jelly-home | no_gravity: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:54.13 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ahmm... its a vm .. it seems its ubuntu :) |
| 17:54.20 | apteeth | PerfDave: Don't know about the sha1 sum, i kept the bigger file. I'll be reading up on spare files |
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| 17:55.17 | jelly-home | no_gravity: your UBUNTU /etc/apt/sources.list apt configuration file seems to be incomplete. Please ask about details in an ubuntu support venue, like the #ubuntu channel |
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| 17:55.35 | no_gravity | jelly-home: yeah, im there now. |
| 17:55.40 | no_gravity | jelly-home: thanks so far. |
| 17:55.48 | jelly-home | good luck, that channel is 99.9% noise |
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| 17:56.06 | jelly-home | might as well just google for ubuntu sources.list |
| 17:56.19 | Jef91 | Someone who has Squeeze installed could you paste the contents of your /etc/inittab file for me? |
| 17:57.13 | jelly-home | make that pastebin* |
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| 17:57.37 | GNU\colossus | Jef91, mine's slightly modified; still interested? |
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| 17:57.59 | Jef91 | sure GNU\colossus |
| 17:58.19 | GNU\colossus | http://paste.debian.net/134126/ here you go, Jef91 |
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| 18:04.57 | RichT23 | Hello, i have a random quesion about packages... |
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| 18:05.37 | RichT23 | well its about bind9, is there a way to install it but have it not install the example files? |
| 18:06.20 | digitalice_ | hi, can u help me to redirect some ports using ip tables? what is wrong there: http://pastebin.com/frhBzxDp ive got 2 adapters, eth0 lan and eth1 wan. |
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| 18:06.49 | tuvwx | extlinux seems to have replaced my grub on update. is it the default boot loader now, or did do that just because i had syslinux installed? |
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| 18:10.27 | nutterpc | has debian kfreebsd matured much? |
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| 18:13.05 | ajik | hi i got a question.... how can i easily connect to an already running xsession via windows? |
| 18:13.17 | ajik | first guess wouldve been vnc |
| 18:13.44 | valdyn_ | ajik: ssh -X |
| 18:13.51 | jelly-home | ajik: "Not easily." Use x11vnc if you want a vnc connection. |
| 18:13.52 | ajik | but itkeeps spawning a new xsession |
| 18:13.55 | valdyn_ | ajik: or vnc or rdp or whatever you want |
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| 18:14.15 | ajik | valdyn_: sure... but the trouble with vnc seems to be i have to enable it from within the xsessioon |
| 18:14.17 | valdyn_ | ajik: thats not vnc that spawns a new session, thats xvncserver |
| 18:14.34 | ajik | err yes... youre right |
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| 18:14.53 | ajik | and ssh -X is no option when using windopws |
| 18:15.02 | valdyn_ | ajik: why not? |
| 18:15.02 | jelly-home | ajik: use the correct vnc server, one that actually _can_ attach to an existing X session |
| 18:15.07 | tharkun | ajik: you can have a speciall purpose key that fires up a vnc session withing an ssh tunnel |
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| 18:15.30 | ajik | tharkun: already tunneld the correct ports |
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| 18:16.18 | tuvwx | ajik: x11vnc will connect you to your running session. other vnc servers will spawn new sessions |
| 18:16.33 | ajik | aaaah okay |
| 18:16.35 | tuvwx | ajik: ssh -X works, but requires an X server on your windows machine |
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| 18:17.00 | ajik | just one more question then... tuvwx do i have to restart the xserver for x11vnc to wirk |
| 18:17.15 | ajik | tuvwx: ya... thats the trouble... the needed xserver |
| 18:17.16 | tuvwx | ajik: AFAIR, cygwin ships an X server for windows. there also was Exceed, an x server for windows |
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| 18:17.39 | ajik | tuvwx: it does.. and it works okay... but i dont want to install cygwin here because its not my pc |
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| 18:18.23 | ajik | well i ll be trying..cu later :D |
| 18:18.29 | valdyn_ | actually, even skype works i think |
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| 18:19.24 | tuvwx | teamviewer seemed ok, but didn't use it seriously to tell |
| 18:20.15 | tuvwx | doesn't gnome's vnc (vino) connect you to the running session? |
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| 18:20.30 | valdyn_ | tuvwx: sure |
| 18:20.41 | tuvwx | ajik: try gnome's vnc (vino) |
| 18:21.32 | tuvwx | anybody else experienced an extlinux takeover? |
| 18:22.16 | jelly-home | takeover? |
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| 18:27.07 | stepdown | having problems with the Nvidia driver under Wheezy, think the solution is to downgrade to xserver-xorg-core 1.11 |
| 18:27.30 | stepdown | http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/582322-wheezy-after-update-significant-slow-3.html |
| 18:27.43 | jelly-home | stepdown: 1.10. |
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| 18:27.56 | Goobz | Ello all! |
| 18:28.06 | stepdown | unsure how best to do tha |
| 18:28.50 | jelly-home | stepdown: one way is to get old packages from snapshot.debian.org |
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| 18:29.14 | stepdown | hi jelly-home (sorry, it's all a bit slow over here) |
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| 18:29.40 | Goobz | Quick question: Anyone know of a good imaging software that isn't 1 to 1? Using symantic's ghost atm and my company is looking for alternatives. |
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| 18:29.57 | jelly-home | stepdown: echo "deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20110826T091413Z/ sid main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nvidia-borkage.list && aptitude -o 'Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false' update |
| 18:30.22 | tuvwx | jelly-home: i'm using grub, and have syslinux installed for making bootable usb's. on update, extlinux installed a mbr |
| 18:30.47 | ajikeshi_ | thanks tuvwx i got it working now :) |
| 18:30.49 | jelly-home | stepdown: and then aptitude install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.10.4-1 |
| 18:31.40 | stepdown | jelly-home, many thanks, let me try that out :) |
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| 18:33.09 | jelly-home | tuvwx: extlinux 2:4.04+dfsg-3 did not do that for me (running testing i386 here) |
| 18:33.54 | tuvwx | jelly-home: extlinux 2:4.04+dfsg-3 -> 2:4.04+dfsg-4 testing amd64 |
| 18:34.20 | jelly-home | tuvwx: debconf-get-selections |grep extlinux/install ? |
| 18:35.11 | tuvwx | debconf-get-selections: command not found |
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| 18:35.30 | tuvwx | dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 18:35.31 | dpkg | tuvwx: i don't know |
| 18:35.33 | Maarten | Hmmm... I seem to be running into multi-monitor issues. I have a laptop with a 1680x1050 screen on a docking station, and a 24" 1920x1080 screen attached as second monitor. I often pick up the laptop from the dock, go to a meeting, and hook it up to a projector that supports up to 1280x1024. NVidia is the chipset I use, so I use nvidia-settings for the multimonitor config.... but I can't seem to switch easy from laptop+monitor ---> laptop ---> |
| 18:35.33 | Maarten | laptop+projector. |
| 18:35.43 | Maarten | Any software to make those switches easier? |
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| 18:36.11 | jhutchins | Maarten: Try xrandr |
| 18:36.22 | Maarten | xrandr - will check :) |
| 18:36.43 | tuvwx | Maarten: try arandr also: a gui for xrandr |
| 18:36.57 | jelly-home | tuvwx: um... you don't have debconf-utils, sorry. What about grep -A2 extlinux/install /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |grep Value |
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| 18:37.12 | Maarten | thanks, I'm sure that's gonna help :) |
| 18:37.22 | tuvwx | Value: false |
| 18:37.30 | jelly-home | tuvwx: nvidia driver does not support really xrandr yet |
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| 18:38.09 | jelly-home | oops, that "really" ended up in the wrong place |
| 18:38.13 | tuvwx | oh.. for nvidia, nvidia-settings |
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| 18:38.40 | tuvwx | Maarten: oh.. for nvidia, nvidia-settings |
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| 18:39.14 | karen_m | I just cleaned out my dedicated server, and going to return it to the isp. Is there a way to zero out all the free space to maek sure they cannot get my data? |
| 18:39.29 | neil_m | dd |
| 18:39.33 | tuvwx | jelly-home: for the record, debconf-get-selections: extlinux extlinux/install boolean false |
| 18:39.52 | tuvwx | karen_m: wipe |
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| 18:40.31 | aidehua | karen_m: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Securely_erasing_files_by_filling_your_disk |
| 18:40.55 | Maarten | tuvwx: yeah I already use that. But it doesn't allow X to switch automatically.... e.g. when I am booted in Windows 7, and I walk away, any program open on the 2nd monitor will simply exist on the laptop screen, on Debian they seem to "dissappear", that is, they are still there and running, but I can now move my mouse into the "blackness of non existence" on the left side (which is where my screen is), and apps just stay there. And when I hook up a |
| 18:40.55 | Maarten | projector, it just sees it as something new, and have to restart X. |
| 18:40.57 | tuvwx | jelly-home: what does that 'false' mean? that is was 'automatically installed'? |
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| 18:41.50 | jelly-home | tuvwx: answer to the debconf question, Description: Should EXTLINUX be installed to the MBR? |
| 18:42.34 | jelly-home | tuvwx: (question is in /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat) So I'm not sure how the package decided to run that path really |
| 18:43.12 | aidehua | I can't use multiple prompting PAM modules with sshd keyboard-interactive and a broken ssh client I have to use... |
| 18:43.32 | aidehua | Any tips on PAM modules that split a password into two parts, to feed to separate modules? |
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| 18:44.04 | jelly-home | karen_m: or shred. or boot DBAN on it, /msg dpkg dban |
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| 18:44.30 | aidehua | (password = <$code><$password>, with $code -> pam_google_authenticator, and $password to -> pam_unix.so) |
| 18:44.37 | tuvwx | jelly-home: i just ran dpkg-reconfigure extlinux and confirmed it was, and still is, answered no. then after answering the question it showed a few lines that look like it's installing itself: writing config for kernel ..., installing debian theme ... etc. i may have misinterpreted that as installing on the mbr. i haven't actually rebooted yet |
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| 18:45.48 | jelly-home | tuvwx: oh, that was just hooks for kernel packages, so it generates appropriate configuration files. Analogous to update-grub, which also does not reinstall grub onto MBR. |
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| 18:46.11 | murmurs | hi |
| 18:46.15 | tuvwx | jelly-home: oh.. ok. sorry for the noise. good to know though |
| 18:46.30 | karen_m | thanks guys! |
| 18:46.34 | karen_m | aidehua, that is awesome |
| 18:46.47 | apteeth | t/quit |
| 18:46.51 | apteeth | sorry |
| 18:47.09 | murmurs | what happens if I accidentally did the following command, whilst SU at /: "chmod 755 * <username>"? |
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| 18:48.05 | jelly-home | murmurs: not much damage is done |
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| 18:48.17 | aidehua | karen_m: Maybe you misread me? I'm trying to implement this, rather than telling people about how I implemented it! :D |
| 18:48.28 | jelly-home | murmurs: you'd have to put /tmp back to 1777 |
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| 18:48.45 | aidehua | I feel like I'm going to have to make my own PAM module that splits the password, and then does its own PAM stuff :/ |
| 18:48.48 | murmurs | jelly-home, for some reason my Debian seems to have borked and I've had to reboot back into Ubuntu |
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| 18:49.03 | murmurs | I now cannot even see the debian drive (within ubuntu). |
| 18:49.33 | murmurs | jelly-home, how would I go about changing the chmod of /tmp back to 1777? |
| 18:51.06 | jelly-home | murmurs: use the chmod command, properly. |
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| 18:51.35 | murmurs | jelly-home, that's the problem, I can't seem to reboot into Debian at all. |
| 18:52.04 | jelly-home | murmurs: boot into some other Linux, mount the Debian root filesystem manually, then use chmod |
| 18:52.46 | murmurs | jelly-home, I'm in Ubuntu, I've tried mounting the folder which contains Debian, it won't mount. |
| 18:53.36 | murmurs | rather, it says it's already mounted but I can't access it |
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| 18:54.15 | jelly-home | murmurs: what happens when you try to access it as root? |
| 18:54.21 | murmurs | "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of " |
| 18:54.29 | murmurs | oh, I haven't tried as root |
| 18:54.44 | jelly-home | murmurs: use a terminal and an interactive root shell |
| 18:54.55 | murmurs | (well, truth be told, I don't know how to access root other than using "sudo", in Ubuntu) |
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| 18:55.50 | jelly-home | well, that's it, just tell sudo to open an interactive shell, sudo -i |
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| 18:56.58 | giulia27 | hello, a question at two cents. Is Thunderbird available in the official deposit package ? |
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| 18:57.25 | nathwill | guilia27: icedove |
| 18:57.54 | giulia27 | icedove is the name of the software ? |
| 18:58.21 | giulia27 | (i really love Thunderbird, so it will be a shame if I had to give it up) |
| 18:58.32 | nathwill | icedove is unbranded thunderbird |
| 18:58.32 | valdyn___ | !icedove |
| 18:58.32 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 18:59.27 | giulia27 | ok thank you :) |
| 18:59.34 | Lns | Has anyone with Squeeze+VirtualBox had issues after the latest updates a few days ago? Everything was fine before my last dist-upgrade, now this morning I tried to load vbox and i get this: "RTR3Init failed with rc=-1912 (rc=-1912) ... Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root." -- So I already had vbox-ose-dkms package installed, and vboxdrv is listed in `lsmod`... anyone know what's going on? |
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| 19:00.51 | murmurs | jelly-home, ok, I'm in the Debian folder |
| 19:01.07 | murmurs | I've managed to open a root terminal (sudo gnome-terminal) |
| 19:01.12 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 19:01.26 | murmurs | but I do not see the /tmp folder in there |
| 19:01.41 | Posterdati | is there any debian program to update nokia telephone firmware (based on android) |
| 19:02.23 | nathwill | posterdati: may want to look at docs for the phone, most phone firmware mods i've seen use dd |
| 19:02.41 | valdyn___ | Posterdati: wrong channel |
| 19:03.21 | valdyn___ | Posterdati: nokia ships flashers for anything that might run android |
| 19:03.34 | murmurs | jelly-home, I've found the /tmp folder |
| 19:03.43 | GNU\colossus | is there anyone from the fine folks doing mozilla.debian.net around in here? |
| 19:03.43 | murmurs | tried to chmod /tmp 777 |
| 19:03.48 | murmurs | but doesn't wokr |
| 19:03.50 | murmurs | work* |
| 19:04.06 | jelly-home | murmurs: 1777 |
| 19:04.07 | GNU\colossus | you need 1777 on that |
| 19:04.28 | murmurs | chmod /tmp 1777 |
| 19:04.29 | jelly-home | murmurs: and do that on the one inside Debian partition |
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| 19:04.35 | jelly-home | NOT current /tmp |
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| 19:05.05 | murmurs | I'm doing that on the one inside the debian partition |
| 19:05.15 | jelly-home | murmurs: and it's chmod 1777 /path/to/tmp not the other way round |
| 19:05.24 | murmurs | but I get "invalid mode: `/tmp`" |
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| 19:05.34 | murmurs | oh |
| 19:05.35 | jelly-home | murmurs: /tmp is NOT a path inside your Debian mount point |
| 19:05.45 | jelly-home | murmurs: where is Debian mounted? |
| 19:06.22 | murmurs | oh a folder inside /media/6f.... |
| 19:06.36 | Lns | usually in the bedroom....BAM! ;) (sorry that's my only OT today) |
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| 19:07.24 | XiGuLoR | Hi |
| 19:07.31 | murmurs | done now |
| 19:07.33 | jelly-home | murmurs: so look at the contents of that folder, and fix the permissions on "tmp" IN THERE |
| 19:07.39 | murmurs | fingers crossed that it works |
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| 19:08.01 | jelly-home | murmurs: what does ls -ld /media/.../tmp look now? |
| 19:08.08 | murmurs | jelly-home, thanks for the patience and assistance |
| 19:08.09 | murmurs | oh |
| 19:08.11 | murmurs | one sec |
| 19:08.34 | jelly-home | should be drwxrwxrwt ... now |
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| 19:09.46 | iderik | How come that rxvt-unicode-256color terminal is only to be found on sid(unstable) and weezy(testing)? So im not able to use it on squeeze? |
| 19:10.19 | Bushmills | ,versions rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 19:10.19 | judd | Package: rxvt-unicode-256color on i386 -- sid: 9.12-1; wheezy: 9.12-1 |
| 19:10.20 | murmurs | drwrwxrwt 5 root root |
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| 19:10.47 | Bushmills | too recent for squeeze |
| 19:11.10 | murmurs | jelly-home, it says "drwxrwxrwt 5 root root" |
| 19:11.16 | iderik | Bushmills: hmm, ok. so i have to wait for it? :/ |
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| 19:11.24 | murmurs | :) |
| 19:11.26 | Bushmills | for what? for wheezy? |
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| 19:11.37 | murmurs | ok, I'll boot into debian and make sure things are ok again |
| 19:11.48 | murmurs | thank you again jelly-home :) |
| 19:12.04 | iderik | Bushmills: yes, for it to be able for squeeze? |
| 19:12.17 | Bushmills | it will never become part of squeeze |
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| 19:12.40 | jared566 | hey - how can i run the programm "debmirror" on windows? do i need a perl interpreter? |
| 19:12.45 | Bushmills | it *may* become available as backport |
| 19:12.46 | iderik | Bushmills: ok....... cant you tell me why? give me some more information? you might noticed im new to this |
| 19:12.54 | Bushmills | !bpo |
| 19:12.54 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 19:13.21 | iderik | Bushmills: is wheezy newer than squeeze? have i missed an update? :O |
| 19:13.40 | Bushmills | it won't become available for squeeze because squeeze has already been released |
| 19:13.59 | Bushmills | can't just add stuff to what's out already |
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| 19:14.11 | iderik | oh ok |
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| 19:14.50 | iderik | feels weird, i cant be the only one using rxvt 256 colors on squeeze |
| 19:14.51 | Bushmills | !wheezy |
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| 19:14.51 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 19:16.34 | Bushmills | meaning to say " it won't become available *in* squeeze..", as it may become available *for* squeeze through backports |
| 19:16.40 | jelly-home | iderik: I only use terminals with true color support. This is 2011, why would mere 256 colors be acceptable?! |
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| 19:17.14 | iderik | jelly-home: true colors? never heard of, let me take a look on that :) |
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| 19:18.01 | jelly-home | https://github.com/robertknight/konsole/blob/master/user-doc/README.moreColors |
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| 19:18.31 | jelly-home | because WHY THE HELL NOT |
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| 19:21.10 | jelly-home | no apps support it? Their loss |
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| 19:21.48 | stepdown | Jelly, i've borked it more, can't login |
| 19:22.23 | stepdown | In rescue mode says network unreachable so I can't upgrade back either |
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| 19:23.02 | jelly-home | stepdown: you're murmurs? |
| 19:23.12 | stepdown | Can only think of changing xorg.conf |
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| 19:23.37 | jelly-home | oh, sorry, you're the other dude |
| 19:23.56 | stepdown | I was having nvidia problems, yeah |
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| 19:24.24 | jelly-home | stepdown: in rescue mode, remount / read-write if it's not, mount /var if it's not mounted, and /etc/init.d/network start |
| 19:24.25 | stepdown | (on my phone now so even slower!) |
| 19:24.44 | stepdown | Okay |
| 19:24.54 | jason_ | So I'm trying to install Debian PPC onto an older iBook, but it prompts me for firmware during the install - agere_sta_fw.bin. Anybody know where I can find it? All of the links I found with it supposedly having it were broken links. |
| 19:24.55 | jelly-home | I guess it's normal for the network to not be set up? Don't really remember |
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| 19:27.19 | ompaul | jason_: ask in #debianppc on irc.oftc.net that seems to be the channel also please /msg dpkg ppc a |
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| 19:29.40 | jason_ | ompaul: doyou know if that is referring to wireless firmware? |
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| 19:30.34 | ompaul | jason_: no, I have no knowledge of PPC other than it exists |
| 19:30.45 | jason_ | ah okay |
| 19:30.47 | jason_ | thank you |
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| 19:32.38 | rubidious | what is the correct way to remove a startup process in debian these days |
| 19:32.40 | rubidious | ? |
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| 19:36.49 | nathwill | update-rc.d ? |
| 19:37.33 | nathwill | to fully remove, i think it's update-rc.d -f service remove |
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| 19:38.57 | luichi | hi |
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| 19:39.26 | rubidious | nathwill: this appears to be deprecated |
| 19:39.32 | rubidious | it was the first thing I tried |
| 19:39.36 | nathwill | srsly? |
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| 19:39.49 | nathwill | update-rc.d works on my testing install... |
| 19:40.25 | rubidious | does it complain about dependency based booting? |
| 19:40.41 | rubidious | uname? |
| 19:41.49 | rubidious | 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 19:42.09 | nathwill | io'm on the same |
| 19:42.15 | amphi | insserv may be what you need |
| 19:42.23 | rubidious | insserv is for adding, no? |
| 19:42.25 | nathwill | but no.. it hadn't complained. |
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| 19:43.30 | rubidious | ah, -r |
| 19:43.35 | rubidious | didn't see that the first time |
| 19:43.39 | rubidious | I'll try insserv |
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| 19:44.52 | luichi | i'm not american so i will like if you can say me if this corrections (http://pastebin.com/gpa7WZVm) (corrections are the idented parts) are ok to correct this wiki page http://wiki.debian.org/Partition. Please dont edit yourself because i have to make other little changes. thanks |
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| 19:47.13 | luichi | anyone?? |
| 19:47.14 | stepdown | Jelly, it doesn't seem to be recognising my mouse or keyboard at the splash screen so I can't login now |
| 19:47.51 | stepdown | Have upgraded back |
| 19:48.09 | jelly-home | stepdown: if it's a usb keyboard, try unplugging and plugging back in |
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| 19:48.38 | jelly-home | stepdown: you may need to downgrade xserver-xorg-input-* as well |
| 19:49.00 | Nirgal1 | I am puzzled by severity of bug 470417. Basically, if when you have ipv6, brute force attack on ssh is not prevented. It used to be "serious" and now it's back to "wishlist". In a distro that is supposed to support ipv6, isn't that inappropriate? |
| 19:49.40 | stepdown | Jelly, same version number? |
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| 19:50.43 | jelly-home | stepdown: not that easy, they have separate versioning schemes |
| 19:50.55 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 19:50.57 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-input-evdev on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.0.8-1; squeeze: 1:2.3.2-6; squeeze-backports: 1:2.6.0-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.6.0-2+b2; wheezy: 1:2.6.0-2+b2; experimental: 1:2.6.0-3+b1 |
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| 19:52.54 | stepdown | Shall I go for the squeeze one? |
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| 19:56.42 | stepdown | Can't find those versions, guess I'll need another repo? |
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| 19:59.19 | jelly-home | stepdown: one person has reported success with x-x-core from squeeze-backports but I have no idea what exactly is going wrong on your machine |
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| 20:10.36 | stepdown | Hmmm, any chance some other package got deselected? |
| 20:10.50 | isfranc | bye |
| 20:12.36 | jelly-home | stepdown: well, make sure xserver-xorg-input-all is installed. If it's not, either install that, or at least x-x-i-evdev and -synaptics (and maybe -kbd and -mouse but I'm not sure they're needed) |
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| 20:14.30 | AthomIk | re |
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| 20:15.56 | stepdown | Jelly, you clever person, trying that now :) |
| 20:17.11 | jelly-home | stepdown: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might show what goes wrong |
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| 20:18.42 | AthomIk | i use multiseat on wheezy 64, and i search for switch my 2 keyboard and mouse, when X is running |
| 20:18.57 | stepdown | When I go to downgrade it wants to remove them all |
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| 20:21.12 | stepdown | Like, one to be downgraded,6 to be removed |
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| 20:22.25 | stepdown | Still, back to being able to login now |
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| 20:24.29 | AthomIk | how i can attach on spÃecific keyboard on a session, a this time keyboard and mouse are forced by uuid in xorg.conf |
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| 20:24.38 | Br|aN | hello |
| 20:24.41 | Br|aN | anyone can help me |
| 20:24.52 | th0r | Br|aN: yes |
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| 20:25.07 | Br|aN | is debian simple to insttall |
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| 20:25.12 | Br|aN | i use ubuntu now |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn___ | Br|aN: stick to ubuntu |
| 20:25.41 | aidehua | Oh hahah |
| 20:25.50 | aidehua | Ooops, wrong channel :D |
| 20:25.55 | MrFrood | Br|aN: iirc they use the same installer, but I could be wrong? |
| 20:25.57 | jelly-home | I'm with valdyn___ on this. |
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| 20:26.10 | jelly-home | MrFrood: ydrc |
| 20:26.17 | Br|aN | iirc? |
| 20:26.25 | th0r | Br|aN: I think if you have to ask, you should stick with what you have for now |
| 20:26.32 | stepdown_ | if I recall correctly |
| 20:26.34 | ompaul | if I recall correctly |
| 20:26.48 | ompaul | double drat |
| 20:26.56 | stepdown_ | finally found one he could answer ;) |
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| 20:27.32 | Br|aN | ya i been usin linux for a whyile was just wondering if there were changes |
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| 20:27.41 | MrFrood | jelly-home: it's a long time since I installed ubuntu :P |
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| 20:28.17 | CQ | hello, I updated an old machine (probably not used in a year or so) running testing today with an update (not dist-update) and after the reboot the networking is killed... any ideas? ifconfig shows the interface up and not configured, and route shows no routes... |
| 20:28.29 | jelly-home | MrFrood: 1-2 years is a long time for distro installers. OTHER distros change their shit. |
| 20:28.38 | ompaul | Br|aN: debian provides the basis for that *buntu people they change it - therefore changes are a given - so now if I may make a suggestion this is not the forum for talking about this |
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| 20:28.53 | XiGuLoR | Hi |
| 20:29.03 | th0r | Br|aN: you would find debian less up to date. for instance, my vlc is four or five versions back, but it works. If you want sns....stick with ubuntu |
| 20:29.21 | Bushmills | Br|aN: since the day you started using linux, there were no changes at all. |
| 20:29.22 | ompaul | CQ: you should DU upgrading is a great way to break your system |
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| 20:30.07 | Br|aN | ok thanks |
| 20:30.15 | ompaul | CQ: go get yourself wired and apt-get update&& apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:30.20 | CQ | ompaul: ok, next time I'll dist-upgrade... how can I get the networking going then now? |
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| 20:30.39 | CQ | ompaul: its wired, its in a vbox VM with a wired connection... |
| 20:30.56 | ompaul | CQ: I know nothing of vbox so there you go |
| 20:31.20 | ompaul | CQ: try one thing run dhclient as root |
| 20:31.22 | CQ | ompaul: the problem is networking is not set up. The box thinks it has an ethernet cable plugged in, eth0 is up and just not configured |
| 20:31.46 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 20:31.46 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 20:32.03 | ompaul | CQ: after that you broke it next time you will back up your image, then you will do your upgrade and save yourself the pain |
| 20:32.12 | CQ | ompaul: doh... should have thought of that myself, that did it, thanks ;) |
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| 20:32.28 | ompaul | CQ: turn the box off back it up |
| 20:32.31 | ompaul | then work from there |
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| 20:34.22 | CQ | what should my sources.list point to? Im in europe and its pointing to the US mirrors... |
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| 20:35.54 | windparadise | Hello good morning all, anyone successfully used syscp |
| 20:35.56 | windparadise | ? |
| 20:36.03 | windparadise | I am having some serious issue here, |
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| 20:36.15 | windparadise | I have installed it and I cant access my ftp account |
| 20:37.11 | PerfDave | What's syscp, windparadise? Doesn't seem to be in Debian Stable |
| 20:37.19 | Bushmills | ,versions netselect-apt |
| 20:37.19 | judd | Package: netselect-apt on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.ds1-12.1; squeeze: 0.3.ds1-14; wheezy: 0.3.ds1-18; sid: 0.3.ds1-21 |
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| 20:37.30 | Bushmills | CQ: try netselect-apt |
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| 20:37.54 | windparadise | I have installed it and I cant access my ftp account |
| 20:38.07 | windparadise | open source |
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| 20:38.33 | PerfDave | windparadise: OK, I don't know what this thing is or what it does, and you're not telling me so I can't help. Maybe somebody else can. |
| 20:38.55 | windparadise | hold a sec, brb |
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| 20:40.28 | Bushmills | ,versions syscp |
| 20:40.30 | judd | No package named 'syscp' was found in i386. |
| 20:40.43 | CQ | Bushmills: thanks, noce tool! |
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| 20:41.34 | th0r | syscp is a system control panel for web servers |
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| 20:42.38 | Bushmills | supposedly the authors will be able to help with problems resulting from using their program |
| 20:42.42 | iderik | I get these weird characters when holding ALT-key and then pressing another key (like: ±²³´µ·¶ëòåïéãö). I remember playing with some kind of X keyboard config a while ago but I cant remember the exact name of it, do you have any idea what im talking about? |
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| 20:43.27 | th0r | iderik: .Xmodmap maybe. use xev to find the keycodes and .Xmodmap to redefine them? |
| 20:43.35 | negge | I'm trying to grab the newest version of Pidgin from unstable using apt-pinning. Everything seems to be normal except apt-get upgrade says some packages have been kept back. apt-cache shows that the candidate is from unstable even though it shouldn't be. What is wrong? Here's the output of my pin settings and an apt-cache policy example: http://pastebin.com/zB1bvYGz |
| 20:43.54 | iderik | th0r: no, it was not that program :/ |
| 20:44.04 | hdb2 | so...for us lowly netbook users, does btrfs give us anything that ext4 wouldn't? (I'm rebuilding a machine, which is why I ask) |
| 20:45.08 | th0r | hdb2: two questions....do you trust btrfs? and do you trust ext4? |
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| 20:46.21 | PerfDave | Hmm, what's a nice simple way to measure the practical bandwidth between two hosts? I'm thinking of something involving dd and netcat perhaps |
| 20:46.33 | hdb2 | th0r: honestly, I don't know enough about either of them to give an honest answer. this is just a "play machine", which is why I seem so unconcerned :) |
| 20:47.09 | negge | PerfDave: iperf not good enough? |
| 20:47.16 | Bushmills | hdb2: doesn't seem so, atm. multiple sources come to similar results, consistent with fro example http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_btrfs_nilfs2&num=2 |
| 20:47.37 | PerfDave | negge: Never heard of it, will give it a go |
| 20:48.18 | negge | PerfDave: it measures raw TCP performance |
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| 20:48.47 | negge | I use it to test the speed of wifi connections for example |
| 20:48.55 | hdb2 | hmmm, I see. so I guess I can just stick to ext3 for now. thanks for the link! |
| 20:49.05 | stepdown_ | jelly-home, many thanks for the assistance, all seems well now |
| 20:49.19 | negge | hdb2: I'm using ext4 on a laptop and it's all fine |
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| 20:53.31 | negge | okay it seems that apt-pinning fails when using squeeze-backports. Do I have to pin packages from there too? |
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| 20:58.24 | jelly-home | stepdown_: you're welcome! Have a nice evening/night. |
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| 21:19.06 | vlad | i just updated my squeeze to unstable and got issue with decorations http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1471395/Screenshot.png |
| 21:19.14 | vlad | how to fix this? |
| 21:20.21 | tdn | I am seing a lot of IO wait in top. Is there any way to see which processes/users are causing the I/O wait? I have tried top and htop, but they do not seem to reveal this. |
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| 21:23.27 | faxng | Where did all of my disk space go? http://i.imgur.com/fI0wI.png gparted yields that my "lvm2" partition has 250 GB available. Right clicking on "Filesystem" and to Properties returns "0" bytes remaining. |
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| 21:24.03 | faxng | The chart also in the picture states that I have 18 GB left. |
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| 21:26.45 | rubidious | tdn: you can check process states in ps |
| 21:27.02 | rubidious | or check to see which processes are using /dev/disk or whatever |
| 21:27.04 | Grega | tdn: iotop ? |
| 21:27.06 | ksx4system | i know it may be a lame question but... how do I format a hard drive from command line? I have only ssh access to one of my boxes and I just added new harddrive |
| 21:27.19 | ksx4system | it's second hand one, so there's probably ntfs/fat32 |
| 21:27.37 | ksx4system | i'd love to format it to ext3/ext4 |
| 21:27.37 | rubidious | fdisk |
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| 21:27.53 | rubidious | or if you want a ui cfdisk I think |
| 21:27.57 | rubidious | I have a q |
| 21:28.08 | rubidious | I have almost all versions of libunique |
| 21:28.26 | ksx4system | oh, I'm already familiar with cfdisk! |
| 21:28.27 | Bushmills | ksx4system: mkfs.ext3 |
| 21:28.32 | ksx4system | thanks, rubidious |
| 21:28.33 | Bushmills | or ext4 |
| 21:28.45 | rubidious | and I'm trying to install something which depends on libunique-1.0 (which I have) |
| 21:28.53 | rubidious | yet when I make it, it's looking for '$ dpkg -l | grep libunique |
| 21:28.56 | rubidious | wwops |
| 21:28.57 | rubidious | woops* |
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| 21:29.12 | rubidious | it's looking for `unique-1.0.pc' |
| 21:29.20 | rubidious | in my pkgconfig directory, which is not there |
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| 21:30.15 | rubidious | I don't see how to get around this |
| 21:30.26 | rubidious | since I have pretty much every version of libunique there is |
| 21:30.50 | rubidious | (3.0, 3.0-dev, 1.0) |
| 21:31.14 | wolfric | is slappasswd in any other packages other than slapd |
| 21:31.35 | somiaj | wolfric: have you checked pacakges.debian.org and searched? |
| 21:31.39 | wolfric | somiaj: yes |
| 21:31.51 | somiaj | wolfric: it will return all debian pacakges that contain that file |
| 21:32.03 | wolfric | oh wait there's n option of searching inside packages |
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| 21:32.16 | tdn | Grega, iotop is a great suggestion. I will try that next time it happens. |
| 21:32.16 | wolfric | i see thanks... i guess it isn't... |
| 21:32.20 | wolfric | which is a load of... |
| 21:32.46 | amphi | rubidious: you have libunique-dev installed? |
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| 21:32.53 | somiaj | wolfric: why would you want it another package? |
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| 21:33.53 | wolfric | somiaj: i'm generating a password, i shouldn't need to install a whole server to do that |
| 21:33.58 | wolfric | somiaj: it should be part of ldap-utils |
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| 21:34.07 | wolfric | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=228705 i wonder what happened to this bug fix |
| 21:34.21 | somiaj | wolfric: file a bug. You can just download / extract the deb with dpkg -x / grab the binary if that is all youw ant. |
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| 21:35.49 | rubidious | amphi: I believe so |
| 21:36.21 | rubidious | amphi: apparently not |
| 21:36.28 | amphi | heh |
| 21:36.38 | rubidious | amphi: thanks dude.. I thought libunique-1.0.0 was the obvious choice |
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| 21:36.52 | rubidious | now I have four libunique packages |
| 21:36.56 | rubidious | yay! |
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| 21:37.06 | amphi | .pc files are generally, if not always, in the -dev package |
| 21:37.09 | somiaj | wolfric: they have a file called ldappasswd in ldap-utils, could it be generating the same passwords -- just using another name |
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| 21:39.08 | somiaj | wolfric: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openldap/openldap_2.4.23-7.2/changelog -- mabye see if you can see why they took it out or renamed it. They did say they added in the version and closed the bug report |
| 21:40.17 | somiaj | wolfric: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304339 -- there is the bug that took it out...aperentally its just a link to the slapd server. |
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| 21:43.08 | rubidious | amphi: ty, today I learned |
| 21:43.21 | amphi | you're welcome |
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| 21:44.37 | faxng | Gparted returns 250 GB available on my lvm2 partition. This: http://i.imgur.com/fI0wI.png says that I have 18 GB available. Right clicking on Filesystem -> Properties says that I have 0 bytes remaining. Currently I'm working on a new installation. Where did all of my space go? |
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| 21:44.50 | ax-ax | everything in my os has become severly slow in the last days |
| 21:45.03 | ax-ax | i think that it has with my graphics drivers to do |
| 21:45.24 | ksx4system | Bushmills: i used mkfs.ext3, how do I reduce number of reserved blocks as I did when installing Debian? |
| 21:45.24 | ptt | what tool do you guys use to merge 2 existing file system. my root directory under /dev/sda6 is full so i want to merge my /dev/sda7 to expand /dev/sda6. any idea? |
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| 21:46.36 | ax-ax | anyone familiar with white, blank, laggy windows that load in a couple of seconds before showing the content? |
| 21:46.41 | Bushmills | ksx4system: you don't want to. tune2fs is what you can use if you really have to. |
| 21:47.23 | Vye | Would any tcpip gurus here be able to provide some insight into the issue I'm having? It's fairly complex so I put it up on serverfault: http://serverfault.com/questions/318350/tcp-sessions-hanging-with-debian-and-iptables |
| 21:47.44 | ksx4system | Bushmills: why not? I always make it smaller than default 5% |
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| 21:48.36 | Bushmills | because that space is not just "reserved" in the sense of not being used at all |
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| 21:49.31 | ksx4system | Bushmills: so... what could possibly crash? I have no idea, my other boxes work like a charm without reserving 5% of space |
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| 21:49.51 | Bushmills | youc could end up with higher fragmentation of your volume |
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| 21:51.05 | ksx4system | Bushmills: well... I don't care since this is scratch drive (temporary craps, it'll be rm'ed /whatever/* weekly) |
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| 21:51.33 | cafaro | How to check a disk while it's in raid1? I removed the disk from the array with mdadm, and umount said it wasn't mounted, then I did: fsck /dev/sdb1, but I get: "fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.linux_raid_member for /dev/sdb1".... |
| 21:51.43 | Bushmills | in that case - what benefit would give your a few extra % of space? |
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| 21:52.21 | ksx4system | Bushmills: big one since this box has only two 40Gb drives |
| 21:52.49 | ksx4system | 80Gb of space (and yes, first of them is system drive) is nearly nothing |
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| 21:53.21 | Bushmills | filling disks to more than 95 % oce a week, then removing files again is a rather untypical use. |
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| 21:54.02 | ksx4system | Bushmills: indeed, it is. |
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| 21:54.43 | ksx4system | i should buy myself less crappy fileserver with eight Western Digital 3Tb drives on RAID10 |
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| 21:55.08 | ksx4system | but these drives are insanely expensive, so are decent RAID cards :( |
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| 21:55.17 | Bushmills | well, the fact alone that it reaches 95% would be an extra reason for me to leave reserved space higher - that's the condition when that space is most needed |
| 21:55.56 | ksx4system | well, I tuned it to 3% and in case of any problems I'll just tune it back to 5% or more |
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| 22:06.32 | enosdan | hello debian. Please is there a way to download kernel source 2.6.38-bpo.2 ? |
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| 22:07.58 | enosdan | (it is a backport for squeeze) |
| 22:08.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | several |
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| 22:08.50 | enosdan | for example? I only found 2.6.38... |
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| 22:10.40 | abrotman | enosdan: you mean .39 ? |
| 22:10.42 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 22:10.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 22:12.44 | enosdan | Yes but I need the source of the same version of the binary |
| 22:13.07 | abrotman | enosdan: you should really have the .39 .. |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | enosdan: the .38 isn't in the repos anymore |
| 22:13.22 | enosdan | I can download binary .38-bpo.2 and source .38 |
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| 22:18.02 | enosdan | Guys.. help me plz :-) I need to compile a single kernel module for a backport image |
| 22:19.38 | abrotman | enosdan: you don't have to msg me .. i can see your typing in here |
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| 22:20.01 | abrotman | enosdan: the current bpo kernel is .39 .. that's the one you should be targeting |
| 22:20.28 | enosdan | abrotman: (sorry haven't used IRC in a while, pmed u by mistake) |
| 22:20.39 | GTRsdk | what kernel is in the newest debian CD? |
| 22:20.57 | flocky | Hello. I run Game servers on my server, and last days I've been attacked by a massive DoS of UDP. Do you have any idea how I can protect myself? with iptables or smth |
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| 22:21.06 | enosdan | abrotman: .39 image is not available in squeeze repos AFAIK. 2.6.39-bpo2 is |
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| 22:21.43 | abrotman | right ... |
| 22:21.53 | abrotman | GTRsdk: stable has a .32 by default |
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| 22:22.06 | abrotman | enosdan: right .. so you dn't want the .38, you want the .39 |
| 22:22.29 | enosdan | abrotman: yes I used .38 cause I wanted TRIM for the SSD |
| 22:22.48 | abrotman | wonders what part of 'use the .39' is confusing ... |
| 22:22.52 | GTRsdk | abrotman: I need something new, like .39 or 3.0. What should I do to get that? |
| 22:22.57 | enosdan | abrotman: .39 image is not there: .39-bpo.2 is |
| 22:22.59 | abrotman | !tell GTRsdk about kmuto |
| 22:23.11 | abrotman | enosdan: yes .. i'm leaving off the last bit .. use that .39 |
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| 22:23.50 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-source-2.6.39 |
| 22:23.53 | judd | Package: linux-source-2.6.39 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-3~bpo60+1 |
| 22:24.05 | enosdan | abrotman: but then I'd need the corresponding kernel source to compile the phison module which I need |
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| 22:24.50 | GTRsdk | abrotman: will there be kernel updates to new ones like 3.0?] |
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| 22:25.15 | abrotman | enosdan: which the bot just stated is there |
| 22:25.46 | abrotman | GTRsdk: squeeze's udev is not compatible with the 3.x series .. so the best you can do is to use kmuto to install, then get the .39 from backports.debian.org |
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| 22:26.30 | GTRsdk | abrotman: okay so 2.6.39 is in the repositories? |
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| 22:27.13 | abrotman | GTRsdk: in backports.debian.org, yes |
| 22:28.17 | enosdan | abrotman: wut? abrotman: alrighty! got it... thanks a lot, my patient debian guru |
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| 22:28.58 | dude_ | hello. how do I select a different soundcard to use? I want to use a usb device listed as device 1 with "cat /proc/asound/cards" instead of my onboard card. I know how to do it with jack, but not with alsa. (Debian Wheezy) |
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| 22:29.45 | enosdan | abrotman: yes, 2.6.39 image and source are the same version, as opposed to 2.6.38. All sorted. Thank again, I wish you a nice evening |
| 22:30.14 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 22:30.21 | enosdan | :-) |
| 22:30.36 | abrotman | dude_: i think the alsa-project.org wiki explains this ? |
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| 22:32.02 | GTRsdk | abrotman: what is the kernel package name? |
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| 22:34.54 | flocky | Hello. I run Game servers on my server, and last days I've been attacked by a massive DoS of UDP. Anyone can help me o this? |
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| 22:36.19 | Bushmills | the admin(s) of your upstream router(s) can |
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| 22:36.57 | abrotman | GTRsdk: for what? in general, linux-image-* |
| 22:37.06 | AthomIk | i have deselected automount in gconf-editor, but usb i again dÃetect, why ? |
| 22:37.41 | abrotman | you may have to relogin ? |
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| 22:38.36 | AthomIk | yes |
| 22:40.20 | GTRsdk | abrotman: I think the debian wheezy iso is what I want. How stable is wheezy? |
| 22:40.38 | abrotman | GTRsdk: today? maybe okay .. tomorrow, might crash and burn .. use at your own risk |
| 22:41.04 | GTRsdk | okay |
| 22:41.25 | abrotman | GTRsdk: you're expected to know how to trouble shoot that crash and burn and use the BTS effectively |
| 22:41.43 | AthomIk | very strange.... |
| 22:41.44 | dude_ | abrotman: hm, it shows how to specify a specific card from the command line, but I want a command that says "greetings computer please use the usb audio interface I just plugged in for all audio output from this point forward, thank you computer" |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | dude_: i don't know much about multiple cards .. you may need to script this .. #alsa may know more |
| 22:43.22 | AthomIk | i use a udev rule for pmount this usb key, by one user, i use multiseat |
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| 22:45.00 | AthomIk | yes, is not a great problem, but not logique |
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| 22:46.12 | dude_ | abrotman: I was hoping it would be as easy as System -> Preferences -> Sound, and choosing the device from a dropdown list, but gnome has no such feature. (Granted this is probably not a commonly desired feature.) Thanks, I'll check out the #alsa channel |
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| 22:54.31 | AthomIk | one i create a udev rules pmount my usb key, by user1 and USB2 name for mount |
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| 22:55.32 | AthomIk | for user1 i see mount point USB2 is ok, in nautilus i see USB2 and other line the real name of the systeme into the usb key (clonezilla) |
| 22:55.49 | AthomIk | for user2 i see in nautilus only the real name of the key |
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| 22:59.42 | gnarface | so debian's slapd.conf changed to slapd.d ... how do i print out the current config? |
| 22:59.57 | AthomIk | automount is off..... why i have a nautilus usb key ...... |
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| 23:10.05 | AthomIk | or i must see pmount cmd in udev... |
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| 23:17.54 | jmanuel_cool | saludos |
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| 23:21.57 | AthomIk | change the umask in pmount other user can read the key, well, but not perfect |
| 23:22.03 | AthomIk | can't |
| 23:22.21 | abrotman | did you try just taking your user out of the plugdev group ? |
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| 23:24.51 | zutme | Can I install wheezy packages in squeeze? |
| 23:25.05 | daemonkeeper | !backports |
| 23:25.05 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 23:25.28 | zutme | daemonkeeper, thanks |
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| 23:25.36 | AthomIk | abrotman, but i other user have i her usb key , |
| 23:25.38 | AthomIk | ? |
| 23:26.17 | AthomIk | ok, i stop with this small problem, esthetic problem in fact for my pc at home |
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| 23:27.08 | GTRsdk | how does a business card iso or net install iso work? |
| 23:27.48 | GTRsdk | my netbook requires wifi for internet, so could it connect to the internet via wifi? |
| 23:28.09 | npx | GTRsdk, either that or ethernet; it's just a bare minimal system that fetches the rest of the installation over the internet |
| 23:28.18 | gnarface | GTRsdk: first answer: magic second answer: yes, depending on hardware support |
| 23:29.03 | debiantonio | lshw |
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| 23:29.06 | gnarface | GTRsdk: you'll probably want to identify wifi device |
| 23:29.19 | GTRsdk | how would I scan for a wifi access point? |
| 23:29.46 | npx | GTRsdk, the squeeze installer just presents you with a list of available access points |
| 23:29.53 | npx | or you can enter in the ESSID manually |
| 23:30.29 | npx | probably safer to assume that you're going to need to use ethernet, I'm not sure how many wifi cards will work out of the box with no firmware |
| 23:30.47 | gnarface | certainly less than ethernet cards |
| 23:30.53 | AthomIk | ok, bye all |
| 23:30.56 | npx | my atheros wifi worked fine but if you have a broadcom or intel chip you may not be so lucky |
| 23:30.59 | GTRsdk | I got my wifi card to work with Linux kernel 3.0 on Ubuntu |
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| 23:31.49 | npx | GTRsdk, it'll almost certainly work once the system is installed, but the installer doesn't include much (any?) firmware for wifi cards |
| 23:31.51 | gnarface | GTRsdk: sometimes its easier to install with a wire and configure wireless after it boots |
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| 23:45.58 | abrotman | oh okay |
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| 23:56.48 | GTRsdk | does unetbootin or the ubuntu startup disk creator work with the net installer? |
| 23:57.53 | rww | GTRsdk: disregard both, do dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdXY |
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