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| 00:01.55 | peterrooney | stacks`: makes me wonder, what are you _actaully_ trying to do? |
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| 00:04.57 | abrotman | jesselang: as a 'testing' user .. you sohuld know about the BTS already |
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| 00:10.09 | jesselang | abrotman, probably. I don't know how to properly file a bug report. |
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| 00:12.40 | abrotman | jesselang: there is informatoin there |
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| 00:16.33 | jesselang | abrotman, I'll check it out, thanks. |
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| 00:18.04 | tehrabbitt | hey, not exaclty debian related, but it is my debian system.... I'm not sure where else to ask, and maybe someone here knows why this is happening... I have an IBM X-Server 346 and i'm trying to upgrade to the maximum 16GB of memory that it supports, but it does not accept more than 8GB even though the additional 8GB has the same timings / speed / make / model of the memory that i already have in there. |
| 00:18.44 | dvs | tehrabbitt: What kernel are you running? |
| 00:19.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | does not accept? |
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| 00:21.51 | jelly-home | user gone, question discarded |
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| 00:22.09 | john3voltas | greetings |
| 00:22.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | that got easy |
| 00:22.28 | dvs | reels the user back in |
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| 00:23.05 | john3voltas | i'm trying to run debian from a livecd image. debian starts up and stops at a login. i don't know debian's root password. can someone help me? |
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| 00:23.18 | karlpinc | john3voltas: It's blank on a live cd. |
| 00:23.35 | john3voltas | tried that already but didn't work :( |
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| 00:24.13 | karlpinc | john3voltas: Is it gui? |
| 00:24.42 | john3voltas | nope. textmode. |
| 00:24.54 | john3voltas | i downloaded a standard-x11 image |
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| 00:25.47 | Theoden | Wow - just saw on the news - Steve Jobs died. |
| 00:26.07 | john3voltas | yep. saw the same here. |
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| 00:28.50 | john3voltas | just heard it's user=user passw=live |
| 00:28.55 | john3voltas | gotta go |
| 00:29.00 | john3voltas | thanks anyways |
| 00:29.08 | john3voltas | cheers |
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| 00:29.37 | fulgore | so sad |
| 00:31.51 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:31.51 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 00:36.21 | Levende | debian doesn't use some iptables-based firewall, by default, does it? |
| 00:36.51 | Levende | tftp request is timing out when a client is attempting to connect to the server |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | Levende: no, it does not |
| 00:37.46 | Levende | alright, thanks |
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| 00:43.54 | gnarface | abrotman: do i need a slapd.conf in order to use cn=config in the slapd.d directory? |
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| 00:44.15 | p0g0 | Levende: often, when I see that, the tftp client is not listening for that server address. |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | gnarface: i only used a single slapd.conf .. but that was on lenny |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | gnarface: not sure why it would matter as long as the sum is the same |
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| 01:03.05 | wolfric | I know this might be more suited to #httpd, but i thought i'd ask here first. What's debians standard way of setting up ssl on apache2? |
| 01:03.31 | abrotman | the module? the config? what? |
| 01:03.33 | wolfric | as in there seem to be a number of different ways to do it, but i'd rather use the method that isn't hackish and integrates well |
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| 01:03.49 | dvs | wolfric: Enable the module? |
| 01:03.50 | wolfric | abrotman: both |
| 01:03.52 | gnarface | wolfric: just add a symlink to the ssl config |
| 01:03.58 | findme123456 | seen greycat |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | use a2enmod |
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| 01:04.05 | wolfric | i've edited the default-ssl and a2ensite default-ssl |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | findme123456: he's around .. why does it matter? |
| 01:04.09 | findme123456 | apt-get help |
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| 01:04.33 | abrotman | sentences bad not process |
| 01:04.43 | findme123456 | it does matter, it was 99 when i last talked to him |
| 01:04.47 | findme123456 | '99 |
| 01:04.50 | wolfric | what mod am i enabling? |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | so, he's around .. not tonight .. |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | wolfric: ssl probably .. might be compiled in now .. can't recall .. look in mods-available |
| 01:05.10 | findme123456 | abrotman:ok thanks |
| 01:05.22 | wolfric | libcherokee-mod-libssl ? |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | findme123456: try during the day, your time |
| 01:05.43 | findme123456 | abrotman:us eastern. Thanks |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | i know .. i said 'your time' |
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| 01:06.39 | gnarface | abrotman: my base DN should be my host name with fully qualified domain, or just the domain? |
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| 01:09.06 | abrotman | gnarface: it can technically be anything .. but generally it'd be dc=foo,dc=org or so .. |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | wonders why gnarface doesn't ask #ldap or #openldap |
| 01:09.22 | Morries | Foreskin contains unique pheromone glands found nowhere else on the body, that about 30% of women could consciously notice, when sitting next to him on the couch, or standing near him. |
| 01:09.26 | Morries | The other 70% are only subconsciously affected by these airborne sexual chemicals, and feel an increased sense of well-being, relaxation, and sexual arousal in his presence. |
| 01:09.27 | Morries | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:21.59 | panoptician | So I'm trying to upgrade a package with a lot of interrelated dependancies on a huge batch of servers. If I do a "dpkg -i *.deb" it cannot seem to realize that all the dependencies are met by the packages like 'rpm -Uvh *.rpm" does. Is there any way I can make it reconcile everything? |
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| 01:24.02 | philipballew | I have a un responsive app/process. how can to kill it? |
| 01:24.49 | panoptician | ps aux | grep processname |
| 01:25.10 | panoptician | find the process id, kill -9 34345 (or whatever) |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | philipballew: what is the state? |
| 01:25.42 | philipballew | its exaile music player. its already been closed. but top sayd its using 99 percent cpu |
| 01:25.48 | zykotick9 | panoptician, "killall processname" works also or with the -9 |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | panoptician: dpkg -i foopkg;aptitude install foopkg |
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| 01:26.51 | philipballew | i tried killall exaile and nothing happeded. thats why i cam here i guess |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | philipballew: what is the state? |
| 01:27.09 | philipballew | abaddon, what do you mean state? |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | right .. because philipballew probably never thought to kill the process ... |
| 01:27.15 | philipballew | the app is not even open |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | philipballew: in ps aux .. what is the state of the process ? |
| 01:27.27 | philipballew | i did |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | philipballew: that was sarcasm .. |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 01:27.37 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 01:28.44 | philipballew | http://pastebin.com/3ZqFYuhM |
| 01:30.07 | panoptician | abrotman: I have all the packages locally downloaded and am trying to do a non-interactive mass install. If I were to do a "rpm -Uvh *.rpm" on a bunch of RPMs, it would figure out the necessary order of installation to satisfy all dependencies. But dpkg does it in arbitrary (probably alphabetical) order and whines. |
| 01:30.21 | abrotman | panoptician: dpkg -i *.deb ? |
| 01:30.29 | panoptician | Yes. |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | panoptician: and then if you use aptitude install foopkg ? |
| 01:30.55 | panoptician | it wants to download stuff |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | what's wrong with that? |
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| 01:31.20 | panoptician | I'm trying to to a non-interactive install on hundreds of servers using already-downloaded packages. |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | you could put your packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ instead ? |
| 01:31.49 | panoptician | oooh, now that's an intriguing idea |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | or use apt-cacher/approx/apt-cacher-ng/apt-proxy |
| 01:33.32 | philipballew | thanks! i used what you said!!! |
| 01:34.21 | vladimp | is it possible for there not to be a source file for an existing package, ie., acpi-fakekey? debian.org package search doesn't give any results and I visited a mirror and there was no source package. |
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| 01:34.56 | vladimp | ppc architecture is what I'm llooking for |
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| 01:35.05 | abrotman | vladimp: is it an old package ? is that the package name or the binary name? |
| 01:35.19 | vladimp | abrotman: package name |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | vladimp: it's not a binary for PPC |
| 01:35.51 | vladimp | abrotman: might also be binary |
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| 01:36.10 | abrotman | vladimp: but the source is http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/acpi-support/ in there |
| 01:36.20 | vladimp | abrotman: I know that's why I'm looking 4 the source package |
| 01:36.25 | abrotman | it's in there! |
| 01:36.57 | vladimp | OK, i looked at teh mit mirror, I'll try there, but why wouldn't debian search function find it I wonder |
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| 01:37.09 | abrotman | because it' snot built for ppc |
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| 01:37.20 | gnarface | abrotman: nobody's ever awake in those channels, but i'm trying |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | gnarface: they are when i'm in there |
| 01:37.47 | vladimp | put the source should be arch independant |
| 01:38.02 | findme1234562 | gnarface: used to be very active, now its forums |
| 01:38.02 | vladimp | s/put/but |
| 01:38.03 | findme1234562 | and such |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | vladimp: but the search tools on your machine don't look at source packages |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | findme1234562: which channels is he talking about? |
| 01:38.47 | findme1234562 | abrotman:perhaps history channel |
| 01:38.59 | scummy | is anybody on squeeze using a more recent than 3.5 version of iceweasel? |
| 01:39.00 | findme1234562 | abrotman:ice road trucker or antiques. |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | so you have no idea what he's talking about at all .. but you're sure they're on forums now? |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | scummy: i am |
| 01:39.14 | findme1234562 | abrotman:chill dude |
| 01:39.23 | scummy | have you had any issues? |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | scummy: works fine for me |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | findme1234562: why would he ask #debian about a history channel |
| 01:40.07 | vladimp | abrotman: I'm talking about http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages not the search in a packagge manager on my machine so It should find the source when you ask it to find sources packages, shouldn't it? |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | vladimp: AFAIK, still only does binaries ... |
| 01:40.42 | scummy | i just upgraded to "release" through mozilla.debian.net, so that i could install an add-on. it still won't let me install the add-on, saying that it isn't available to 3.5, and it doesn't seem to want to open new tabs |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | vladimp: wait .. you want it to find the sources for acpi-fakekey? |
| 01:41.05 | vladimp | abrotman: yes |
| 01:41.44 | vladimp | abrotman: isn't that what the Source package names option is for on the package search page? |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | vladimp: the source package is not acpi-fakekey .. it's acpi-support |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | scummy: you have to restart all your firefox browsers |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | erm, iceweasel |
| 01:42.48 | scummy | i did a couple of times, but i'll try again |
| 01:43.07 | vladimp | yeah, just came back from looking at the http.us.debian.org. |
| 01:43.32 | vladimp | So, where does one find the sources. they must exist if the package exists for other architectres |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | vladimp: you could try adding a deb-src source and then grepping the list yourself .. |
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| 01:46.05 | vladimp | Yeah, but I've grepped the main sight and a mirror with my own eyeballs and it's not there. |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | the source file ? |
| 01:47.02 | scummy | ok, i killed xulrunner and it started working. thanks. |
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| 01:47.28 | abrotman | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/source/ .. that? |
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| 01:48.22 | Sebboh | Hi. "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10". Fine. Where do I find the post-installation script? |
| 01:49.27 | vladimp | abrotman: I'll give that a try |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | Sebboh: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 01:50.03 | Sebboh | abrotman: thanks. And, hello. |
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| 01:52.27 | abrotman | hi |
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| 01:55.51 | Sebboh | abrotman: I modified that file (/var/lib/dpkg/info/nodm.postinst) and ran apt-get install again. My edits stayed (good), but I didn't see the echo output I expected. Is it redirected somewhere else? |
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| 01:56.53 | Sebboh | Or, is it not executing that file directly? |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | it executes that file .. what did you change in there? |
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| 01:57.49 | Sebboh | I added some echo lines just to see what is happening. Debugging. My aim is to figure out which line is failing. |
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| 01:58.05 | abrotman | Sebboh: make the second line say "set -x" instead .. |
| 01:58.15 | Sebboh | One line is something like, start nodm || exit $? .. so that might be it. :) |
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| 01:58.32 | Sebboh | abrotman: ok, but I didn't see the output of my echos... |
| 01:58.57 | Sebboh | set -x enables extra verbosity in the shell, huh.. I remember that now. :) Thanks. |
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| 02:01.02 | vladimp | abrotman: just did deb-src for everything in my sources.list file. Still no fakekey sources. Guess a bug report would be the best way to figure out how the package exists for 3 arches but there is no source file to be found. Sound reasonable? |
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| 02:01.23 | abrotman | not really .. it's kinda just the way it works .. |
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| 02:01.36 | abrotman | vladimp: it was a suggestoin .. i was'nt sure if it would work |
| 02:02.31 | vladimp | abrotman: no worries. What I don't understand is what the package was built from if there are no sources. |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | vladimp: if you look in your binary lists, it has a field for the source package name .. that source package name matches a stanza in the sources list |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | vladimp: it has sources .. but your PPC binary doesn't exist ... |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | vladimp: you can download the source from a mirror and do whatever you want with it |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | including try to build it |
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| 02:04.35 | Sebboh | vladimp: is fakekey not the exact package name? |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | Sebboh: acpi-fakekey |
| 02:04.47 | vladimp | abrotman: I'm missing something. I want to do exactly like you say, try building a package from the source, but I can't find the source, even for the three architectures that have binaries. |
| 02:04.50 | adamS_ | I'm using lenny. Anyone know where I can view the rules I've added to iptables via the command line? |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | adamS_: #netfilter would be a better place, but generally iptables -L |
| 02:05.15 | vladimp | abrotman: well the package name for the existing archs is acpi-fakekey |
| 02:05.40 | Sebboh | The source is in "acpi-support" |
| 02:05.51 | Sebboh | (I looked at sid, anyway.) |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | vladimp: vladimp you have to get the sources from packages.debian.org/acpi-fakekey .. see on the right side of hte page .. there are three links .dsc .tar.gz and .diff.gz .. you need those |
| 02:06.42 | vladimp | so that is what ive been searching for |
| 02:06.43 | vladimp | sebboh: i'm running stable, and it isn't there in the two places I have looked |
| 02:06.52 | Sebboh | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=acpi-support |
| 02:07.23 | adamS_ | What is the best way to forward a port less than 1024 to a port greater than 1024 on my system? netfilter? |
| 02:09.31 | vladimp | abrotman: sebboh: I get it now, one set of sources is producing at least two differenet pkgs acpi-fakekey and acpi-support. I thought there was a 1 to 1 correspondence. Learned something new. Thanks, guys |
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| 02:11.52 | abrotman | vladimp: that package probably produces quite a few |
| 02:15.11 | karlpinc | Is there a pdf reader that supports filling in forms available in main? |
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| 02:19.22 | josh99 | after changing my hosts file, when i go to 127.0.0.1 I don't see the domain i specified in the hosts. any ideas? |
| 02:19.23 | abrotman | karlpinc: pdfedit |
| 02:20.19 | Sebboh | abrotman, thanks. I did find some info. I discovered that I could have got the same info by using env DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer whilst invoking apt-get install |
| 02:20.40 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 02:21.30 | karlpinc | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 02:44.16 | fabieux | hey folks |
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| 02:44.46 | comradekingu | fabieux: hello :) |
| 02:45.02 | ezprezo | Hey guys... I'm having a world up trouble getting my network printer set up in Debian. I have system-config-printer up and running. (CUPS installed) and I go to "New printer" and go to "Find network printer" It asks me for a host, and I don't know what that means. I tried the name of the computer, I tried the network name, and I tried the IP of the computer and printer. |
| 02:46.30 | fabieux | I'm setting up a diskless boot system with the filesystem dealt out by nfs. Each node has a local disk and certain folders like /var/log are mounted from the localdisk rather than NFS. I'm curious, should I, and is it even possible, to mount a local folder for /dev? |
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| 02:46.35 | ezprezo | I've searched forum upon forum too, and nobody says a single thing about what needs to go into the "host" box. |
| 02:48.03 | pipeline | fabieux: yes and no. In the old world, with static /dev, there was no reason to have a local /dev. Same with devfs. In the world of udev, I'm uncertain. Maybe it's necessary. |
| 02:50.12 | fabieux | pipeline: well, mounting an empty folder to /dev breaks the boot process, so it's not that simple hehehe. |
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| 02:50.33 | pipeline | fabieux: yeah that is bad in either old or new world setups |
| 02:50.58 | pipeline | fabieux: in the old world, /dev was just a collection of special files created by mknod -- those can be shared widely. Every system just has a device file for every reasonable device. |
| 02:51.15 | fabieux | pipeline: it seems to work fine when I boot up two machines each with a drive @ /dev/sda, so I'm wondering if there's no worries regarding conflicts. |
| 02:51.19 | pipeline | fabieux: udev is more complicated, and I have never set up a dickless system in that world. |
| 02:51.34 | abrotman | qotd! |
| 02:51.57 | pipeline | fabieux: device files are pretty simple. They're basically just a pair of numbers. They are only relevant to the local system. Like I said, in the old world, you just had the same files for every possible device shared across all (client) systems. |
| 02:52.48 | pdtpatrick_ | Question .. using upstart.. is there anyway to tell how long a service has been up for ? |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | in ubuntu? |
| 02:53.29 | pdtpatrick_ | both debian and ubuntu |
| 02:53.39 | pdtpatrick_ | since squeeze has upstart as well |
| 02:53.44 | fabieux | pipeline: I see. Based on my google results noone bothers with mounting a local /dev, so likely I don't have to worry about it. I'll just stick with this setup. If it's a problem I'm sure I'll run into it as I start scaling up the number of machines. |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | pdtpatrick_: which one are you asking about? |
| 02:54.25 | fabieux | pipeline: tx :) |
| 02:54.39 | pdtpatrick_ | abrotman: isn't upstart the same on both ubuntu and debian? if not then .. for a debian box please |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | pdtpatrick_: are you going to verify the source is the same for both OSes? the operating systems are not identical .. if you need Ubuntu help, ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:57.34 | ezprezo | Might anyone have a hint on what I should do about my network printer issue? |
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| 02:58.43 | pdtpatrick_ | abrotman: .. i use debian as my server and ubuntu as my desktop .. from what i've seen .. upstart runs the same on both boxes using service and initctl .. i'm just asking whether it is possible to tell how long a particular service has been running. |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | pdtpatrick_: which OS? |
| 02:59.18 | pdtpatrick_ | Debian Squeeze |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | i don't understand why people think that Ubuntu ahd Debian are the same and they can ask wherever they want .. would you ask #opensuse about redhat because they both use RPM? go to #ubuntu |
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| 03:00.35 | pdtpatrick_ | r u kidding me? run initctl list and service --status-all or lookup upstart and see whether they are not the same.. so if i was to ask a question about apt-get .. r u going to tell me it is different on ubuntu vs debian? |
| 03:00.44 | pdtpatrick_ | some things are different yes .. but many things are also similar |
| 03:01.18 | abrotman | pdtpatrick_: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu problems |
| 03:01.46 | pdtpatrick_ | *sigh* ... nvm i don't think u r understanding me nor am i understanding how is it ur missing the point im making |
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| 03:07.17 | pdtpatrick_ | abrotman: care to explain to me the differences here |
| 03:07.18 | pdtpatrick_ | http://pastebin.com/di8S5Mts |
| 03:08.37 | abrotman | pdtpatrick_: one says Ubuntu, the other Debian .. ubuntu is offtopic in this channel |
| 03:08.55 | abrotman | i'm not sure why this is hard to understand |
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| 03:09.39 | pdtpatrick_ | oh jeezuz... let me rephrase the question .. Is it possible to tell how long a service has been running in Debian??? |
| 03:10.07 | abrotman | pdtpatrick_: you're offtopic here, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 03:10.36 | tensorpudding | pdtpatrick_, processes show how long they've been running in ps |
| 03:10.42 | tensorpudding | i think it's cpu time, not wall time |
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| 03:12.24 | abrotman | tensorpudding: please go to #ubuntu if you want to support pdtpatrick_ |
| 03:12.50 | gnarface | this howto is so out of date it is harmful http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup |
| 03:13.29 | abrotman | gnarface: i didn't even know that was there, used the openldap.org website |
| 03:14.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: perhaps you should put a warning on it stating as much |
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| 03:15.30 | Sebboh | I used to come in here and ask Ubuntu questions. I felt justified because I had come to #debian first... I get it now. (this aside, of course!) I think the root of it is that users perceive a higher s/n in the proper #channel. *shrug* |
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| 03:22.28 | karlpinc | abrotman: Near as I can tell pdfedit is not the right choice for filling out pdf forms. It lets you edit pdfs, which does not seem to have a whole lot to do with having a pdf that's a form and filling in the blanks in the form with text. |
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| 03:24.38 | abrotman | karlpinc: i thought it let you edit the form elements so you could save it as a new PDF .. |
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| 03:25.09 | eLiNuX | saludos, alguien a usado clonezilla |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | !pdfedit |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | !edit pdf |
| 03:25.33 | dpkg | Editing PDFs isn't that easy as they were more-or-less designed to be a read-only document format. The <pdftk> package allows you to split and merge PDFs, as does the "pdfsam" package. The pdfedit package provides a powerful but quirky PDF editor. OpenOffice draw is also able to import PDFs as text/drawing objects which can allow some editing/commenting to be done. Also ask me about <fill pdf forms>, <pdf>. |
| 03:25.34 | alfplayer | eLiNuX: aqui no, en #debian-es |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | !clonezilla |
| 03:25.38 | dpkg | Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. http://www.clonezilla.org/ See also <based on Debian>. |
| 03:26.09 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yeah. Not that I've ever done it, but I believe that some pdfs are "forms". You can type in the blank spaces and it'll take the text. Then you do something with the result. pdfedit lets you change the pdf itself. |
| 03:26.35 | abrotman | karlpinc: you might need adobe-reader .. bless your heart or something :) |
| 03:27.16 | karlpinc | !fill pdf forms |
| 03:27.16 | dpkg | You can use evince, inkscape or xournal to fill in pdf forms. (Try evince first!) Otherwise, you can do so using pdftk: pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf output foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; Or, using flpsed: pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed foo.ps; |
| 03:27.48 | karlpinc | I guess I should have followed the factoid trail. |
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| 03:28.13 | dvs | karlpinc: In Soviet Russia... ok I won't go thee |
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| 03:29.34 | Sean-Der | Does anyone have an idea why my SSL cert would show up in FireFox for a split second and then all the sudden dispensar? |
| 03:29.49 | Sean-Der | disappear |
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| 03:30.27 | Sean-Der | Links does give an error though: Unable to get local issuer certificate |
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| 03:31.51 | eLiNuX | i need a help with clonezilla, for save the burg? |
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| 03:32.25 | Sean-Der | save the burg? |
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| 03:33.23 | eLiNuX | yes i use burg no grub.....? |
| 03:33.31 | DetroitLibertyPe | LtL, I just wanted to let you know I finally fixed my sound on the debian box, apparently my sound card doesn't work with non-amplified |
| 03:33.56 | Sean-Der | Oh you mean your MBR? |
| 03:34.18 | eLiNuX | yes |
| 03:34.39 | Sean-Der | If you do a full disk clone you should be fine. Instead of selecting partitions do the entire disk |
| 03:34.47 | Sean-Der | Are you imaging out to a lab? |
| 03:36.37 | eLiNuX | what happens is that when you clone the disk does not keep me burg, I'm using the option to clone disk image |
| 03:37.32 | Sean-Der | You are selecting the full disk? Not just selecting all partitions.... |
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| 03:38.30 | eLiNuX | I use the option to save disk image |
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| 03:41.37 | Sean-Der | Is there any difference between the target and original machine? |
| 03:41.54 | Sean-Der | Its strange it takes my cert for a second then just drops back to HTTP |
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| 03:43.44 | eLiNuX | no |
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| 03:47.44 | sanduz2 | can someone tell me the difference between editing /etc/crontab and using the crontab -e command? |
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| 03:52.44 | tensorpudding | i think crontab -e does some fancy locking or something |
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| 03:55.20 | Kelsey | Any hunks in here? |
| 03:55.34 | sanduz2 | <---hunk |
| 03:56.34 | Kelsey | "But its real purpose was to deny slaves the kind of sex reserved exclusively for their Egyptian masters, who routinely cuckolded their circumcised Jewish slaves, giving Jewish women the kind of sex their own men never could and relishing it in all its uncensored glory." |
| 03:57.13 | rww | !ops Kelsey circumcision silliness again |
| 03:57.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rww complains about: Kelsey circumcision silliness again |
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| 03:57.51 | Kelsey | I don't get how American men can be so quiiet and silent and "content" about having been CIRCUMCISED. |
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| 03:58.08 | sanduz2 | why would a chick come to freenode lol |
| 03:58.09 | peterS | I don't get how this is on-topic here |
| 03:58.11 | sanduz2 | to do that |
| 03:58.23 | sanduz2 | damn liberals |
| 03:59.47 | peterS | sanduz2: anyway, crontab -e edits your personal crontab file. there's one for each user. /etc/crontab is usually only editable by root. |
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| 04:00.34 | sanduz2 | peterS, i see. thanks. so the directories like cron.hourly are also system wide root only dirs? |
| 04:00.39 | peterS | sanduz2: there's a subtle format difference in there too: since /etc/crontab is global, it has a 'username' field that your 'crontab -e' edited files do not have. that's the user account that runs each job, and for normal user crontabs it is implied. |
| 04:00.48 | peterS | correct |
| 04:01.05 | peterS | anyway /etc/crontab is used to implement /etc/cron.hourly et. al., you might notice |
| 04:01.28 | peterS | (but not /etc/cron.d/, that's done directly by cron) |
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| 04:02.25 | sanduz2 | peterS, i see. so then its generally recommended to use /etc/crontab if youre running system operations under root? |
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| 04:03.01 | peterS | sanduz2: I wouldn't touch /etc/crontab itself. simpler is to drop a file into /etc/cron.d, or just run 'crontab -e' as root - both choices work fine |
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| 04:03.14 | sanduz2 | peterS thank you |
| 04:03.25 | peterS | by dropping a file into /etc/cron.d, you avoid any direct entanglement with config files that are shipped directly by debian |
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| 04:03.34 | CaneToad | I find in Debian 6 when signing on to wireless networks that gnome-keyring-daemon is extremely frequently using up 100% CPU...plenty of similar people getting the same problem...runs battery flat real quick and if you kill it, it just restarts doing the same thing. |
| 04:03.54 | CaneToad | any workarounds? |
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| 04:10.42 | Sean-Der | I am on squeeze. What would be the best way for me to get the newest ca-certificates |
| 04:12.05 | peterS | Sean-Der: I'd say grab the one from unstable, but that requires an update to openssl, which will pull in one or two new libraries |
| 04:13.05 | Sean-Der | peterS: Hmmm... it is just going to have to been done that way. I am having issues with Comdo CA and I think it may be related to this |
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| 04:15.47 | peterS | Sean-Der: you'll want http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/ca-certificates/ca-certificates_20110502+nmu1_all.deb but if you try to install that, it'll complain that your openssl is too old, at which point you'll have to download http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.0e-2_amd64.deb and http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.0.0_1.0.0e-2_amd64.deb |
| 04:16.16 | peterS | (well assuming you're on amd64, as a majority of the userbase probably is) |
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| 04:16.32 | Sean-Der | Yes I am amd64 |
| 04:16.40 | Sean-Der | libssl1.0.0 pre-depends on multiarch-support |
| 04:16.53 | peterS | oh ... I missed that. that's new libc stuff. |
| 04:17.10 | Sean-Der | Is that going to be an issue :/ |
| 04:17.24 | peterS | what I wonder is why ca-certificates wants a new openssl at all |
| 04:18.18 | Sean-Der | peterS: Who knows.... by the way multiarch had no new deps |
| 04:18.26 | Sean-Der | peterS: Installed without a hitch |
| 04:18.37 | peterS | oh, I would have thought multiarch-support required a newer libc6 |
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| 04:19.36 | Sean-Der | Hope this fixes my HTTPS issue |
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| 04:20.20 | peterS | hmmm, so the reason ca-certificates wants a new openssl is to make sure /etc/ssl/certs includes the symlinks expected by apps that use openssl 1.0 and up |
| 04:20.35 | Sean-Der | I am exhausted and the update did not help me at all |
| 04:20.54 | peterS | start at the beginning, then. what is the https issue? |
| 04:21.25 | Sean-Der | attempt to wget https://cms.soaringsoftware.com/index.html |
| 04:21.55 | peterS | according to iceweasel, "The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided." |
| 04:22.20 | peterS | whoever runs that web site needs to configure it to send at least one CA cert along with the site cert |
| 04:22.47 | Sean-Der | I have tried a million configs and it always comes up with errors |
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| 04:23.12 | peterS | so you are the site admin at cms.soaringsoftware.com? |
| 04:23.31 | Sean-Der | Yes |
| 04:23.53 | peterS | whoever sold you your cert should have included their own certificate chain |
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| 04:24.06 | Sean-Der | I have a .crt .key and .csr |
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| 04:24.33 | peterS | .crt and .key are what you need directly, .csr was only what you sent them in order to get the .crt |
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| 04:25.06 | Sean-Der | What are the correct lines for my VirtualHost? |
| 04:25.18 | peterS | look in your .crt file. is it a single blob or are there multiple blobs? |
| 04:25.18 | Sean-Der | I have tried so many I don't know what to do anymore |
| 04:25.26 | peterS | each blob should start with -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE---- |
| 04:25.27 | Sean-Der | Ok |
| 04:25.44 | Sean-Der | One blob |
| 04:26.12 | Sean-Der | I also have a working .pfx |
| 04:26.30 | Sean-Der | I used openssl to convert my .crt .csr and .key to work with IIS6 |
| 04:26.43 | peterS | so, your cert is issued by "/C=GB/ST=Greater Manchester/L=Salford/O=COMODO CA Limited/CN=EssentialSSL CA" |
| 04:27.02 | peterS | you need to find the cert that uses that as its subject, so you can configure apache to send it in the chain |
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| 04:27.48 | Sean-Der | peterS: Does verify display these details? |
| 04:27.58 | peterS | verify? I ... don't know what you are talking about |
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| 04:28.24 | Sean-Der | openssl verify |
| 04:28.57 | peterS | Sean-Der: what you want (I think) is: openssl x509 -noout -issuer -in {filename}.crt |
| 04:29.26 | Sean-Der | issuer= /C=GB/ST=Greater Manchester/L=Salford/O=COMODO CA Limited/CN=EssentialSSL CA |
| 04:29.32 | Sean-Der | That was its > |
| 04:30.05 | peterS | yeah that's what I see too |
| 04:30.16 | peterS | so the next step is to find a cert with that as its subject |
| 04:30.22 | peterS | google points me to https://support.comodo.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=66&nav=0,1,20 |
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| 04:32.16 | Sean-Der | Ok I have that .bundle |
| 04:32.28 | Sean-Der | Never worked with one of these before I am really confused |
| 04:32.40 | peterS | if you open the bundle, it's just a text file with 4 certificates in it |
| 04:32.57 | peterS | the fourth one has a subject of /C=GB/ST=Greater Manchester/L=Salford/O=COMODO CA Limited/CN=EssentialSSL CA which I think is what you need |
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| 04:33.08 | Sean-Der | This is that glob you are talking about? |
| 04:33.12 | peterS | anyway, just copy that file to somewhere, probably name it .ca or .crt to reduce confusion |
| 04:33.19 | peterS | and tell apache to use that as its CA chain |
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| 04:33.52 | peterS | SSLCACertificateFile is the apache directive you're looking for |
| 04:34.27 | peterS | hmmm, no, maybe it is SSLCertificateChainFile |
| 04:34.50 | peterS | pretty sure that's it in fact |
| 04:34.56 | Sean-Der | Ok I just cleaned up that download file with vim |
| 04:35.11 | Sean-Der | So my virtualhost contains a directive to my pem and this? |
| 04:35.12 | peterS | you already have a SSLCertificateFile defined, just define the SSLCertificateChainFile in the same place |
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| 04:35.46 | peterS | yeah, all this is in your vhost config |
| 04:36.05 | windparadise | hello good morning all, pls I installed phpmyadmin, how do I add it to my apache.conf file? |
| 04:37.20 | civillian | windparadise: have you googled that query yet? |
| 04:37.22 | Sean-Der | peterS: THANK YOU SO MUCH |
| 04:37.30 | peterS | Sean-Der: I see you've got a chain of 2 certs now, instead of just the 1 |
| 04:37.48 | Sean-Der | peterS: wget is happy now :D so am I! |
| 04:37.52 | windparadise | yes, I am googling but not finding an appropraite answer |
| 04:38.03 | civillian | windparadise: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=phpmyadmin+debian |
| 04:38.25 | peterS | it might or might not be enough for everyone. 'cause now you require users to trust the "/C=GB/ST=Greater Manchester/L=Salford/O=COMODO CA Limited/CN=COMODO Certification Authority" cert |
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| 04:38.32 | windparadise | civillian: thx |
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| 04:38.45 | windparadise | oh, merde! |
| 04:38.49 | Sean-Der | Yea wget likes it, but FireFox doesn't? |
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| 04:39.28 | Sean-Der | peterS: I have lots of certs it has never been this difficult before |
| 04:39.29 | peterS | Sean-Der: huh. the chain file you downloaded? appears to be in backwards order. |
| 04:39.42 | Sean-Der | peterS: ? |
| 04:40.03 | peterS | Sean-Der: the last one should be first, the first one should be last. if you edit that file (as you saw, it's just a text file) and copy and paste it so the four certs appear in the opposite order, I think it will be a complete chain |
| 04:40.41 | peterS | apparently apache / openssl does not bother to traverse the chain backwards. thus it found what it needed as cert 4, but then didn't bother to go back up to certs 3, 2 and 1 |
| 04:41.38 | peterS | Sean-Der: your cert was signed by the 4th one in the chain file, the 4th one was signed by the 3rd one, the 3rd one was signed by the 2nd one, and the 2nd one was signed by the 1st one. apache / openssl expects to find them in the opposite order. |
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| 04:41.54 | Sean-Der | peterS: Ok fixing |
| 04:41.56 | peterS | (I didn't know until just now that order matters. but it does make sense.) |
| 04:43.06 | peterS | Sean-Der: btw, to look at the certificate chain: openssl s_client -connect cms.soaringsoftware.com:443 The certificate chain subjects/issuers are near the top of the output, followed by the literal certificate files in PEM format |
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| 04:43.43 | Sean-Der | peterS: I am way in over my head here anymore |
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| 04:43.48 | peterS | Sean-Der: oh would you look at that. now you have a chain of 5 certs, including your own plus the 4 bundled ones. |
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| 04:43.59 | peterS | I bet firefox will be happy now |
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| 04:44.36 | Sean-Der | wget is but firefox again is not :/ |
| 04:44.37 | Sean-Der | sigghh |
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| 04:45.21 | Sean-Der | Chromium is though |
| 04:45.28 | gnarface | abrotman: #openldap is almost worse than useless. |
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| 04:45.37 | Sean-Der | I will have to boot my Win7 VM to check IE though |
| 04:45.56 | sanduz2 | how do i output text from a script file to my current screen/current terminal? |
| 04:46.14 | Sean-Der | peterS: I don't get it every other browser is ok with it, why no FF |
| 04:46.20 | peterS | you might have to refresh ff with ctrl-shift-r or something. not sure. since you were using it to test when your cert chain wasn't correct |
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| 04:46.42 | peterS | sanduz2: you mean, how do you view a file? 'cat' or 'less' are the usual ways |
| 04:47.03 | Sean-Der | If IE works I am going to bed it is 1 A.M here and I have class at 8 A.M |
| 04:47.46 | windparadise | hello, pls I am still stuck, there is /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf how do i add / include it to apache2.conf ? |
| 04:48.15 | LoRez | windparadise: start by not spamming your question |
| 04:48.25 | Sean-Der | peterS: Internet Explorer doesn't like it |
| 04:48.35 | peterS | Sean-Der: anyway, iceweasel here seems to like it fine |
| 04:48.42 | Kelsey | "I was never circumcised and still hate circumcision with a passion. It's an atrocious, sexist, inhumane, barbaric hoax, scam, fraud, violation of medical ethics and human rights, and perpetrated by sick or numb-minded automatons unworthy of the title of being human. There, I said it." |
| 04:48.50 | peterS | Sean-Der: what error does firefox give you? |
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| 04:49.02 | Sean-Der | It just drops the SSL cert after 5 secs |
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| 04:49.13 | Sean-Der | No errors, no nothing |
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| 04:49.36 | rww | peterS: given that this person's been doing this for days, a kickban that stays around a while may be useful :) |
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| 04:49.58 | sanduz2 | peterS, no sorry. i mean i want to echo something to the current display/terminal im on (from a script file) |
| 04:50.14 | peterS | rww: oh, has he? well, given he's using a web gateway, it's not entirely clear that anything would "stay around for days". it is too easy to change nicks after all |
| 04:50.32 | rww | peterS: if memory serves, they haven't changed hostnames in that time, you could ban based on that. |
| 04:50.37 | windparadise | any answer pls? |
| 04:50.52 | peterS | sanduz2: the 'echo' command works fine. if you want to make sure it goes to a terminal, not redirected to some random output file, you can explicitly say "echo > /dev/tty" |
| 04:51.08 | sanduz2 | peterS, thank you |
| 04:51.54 | rww | On wheezy and sid, aptitude appears to be keeping around packages that are marked as automatically installed and only suggested by other packages. How do I get it to remove mere suggests and keep just recommends and depends? |
| 04:52.01 | peterS | Sean-Der: I'm always happy to share my hard-won knowledge of certificate chain crap. took me awhile to figure out what I know of it, so I have a lot of sympathy for these problems |
| 04:52.32 | peterS | anyway, I don't know what it means to "drop the SSL cert after 5 seconds" |
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| 04:53.52 | rww | nvm, found it. APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant |
| 04:54.12 | peterS | Sean-Der: hmmm, your cert chain actually looks wrong. I wonder if your edit to that file got muddled up |
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| 04:55.05 | Sean-Der | peterS: Ok I will retry@ |
| 04:55.18 | peterS | Sean-Der: looks like the order, based on the _current_ chain you are exporting, really should be 3 then 2 then 1 then 4 |
| 04:56.20 | Sean-Der | peterS: Would you mind sending me the correct chain. I am so confused :/ |
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| 04:56.53 | peterS | Sean-Der: sure: http://p12n.org:8080/tmp/comodo.ca |
| 04:57.22 | peterS | I think that is the correct order |
| 04:58.00 | upgrdman | I just installed squeeze. I get a no dchp offers error on startup and ethernet doesnt work. Ethernet worked on the live dvd. Any ideas? |
| 04:58.27 | Sean-Der | upgrdman: ifconfig -a? |
| 04:58.51 | peterS | Sean-Der: you should note, btw, that downloading a cert chain from a random guy on IRC is perfectly safe. these things are security-sensitive, but not the public certs themselves. worst thing that can happen there is, your cert chain doesn't work. |
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| 04:59.10 | upgrdman | Sean, command not found |
| 04:59.56 | peterS | upgrdman: this sounds silly but do you have multiple network interfaces and the cable plugged into the wrong one? |
| 05:00.14 | upgrdman | No. Just one gigE. |
| 05:00.18 | Sean-Der | Are you running ifconfig as root? |
| 05:00.41 | peterS | yeah if you aren't root, ifconfig won't be in your path, so try: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 05:01.13 | peterS | it should contain a block that likely starts with "eth0" |
| 05:01.19 | upgrdman | No. Thanks. Shows eth0, eth0:avahi, lo, pan0 |
| 05:01.25 | Sean-Der | peterS: I trust you, and at this point if this server gets compromised I would be happy. This is a f*ing mess |
| 05:01.43 | Sean-Der | dhclient eth0 |
| 05:01.56 | Sean-Der | What happens when you probe for a lease? |
| 05:01.57 | peterS | Sean-Der: heh. your chain looks correct now. testing with "openssl s_client -connect cms.soaringsoftware.com" shows it. |
| 05:02.38 | Sean-Der | peterS: Thank you for your help Peter I owe you big time |
| 05:02.42 | Sean-Der | I need some sleep ....bad |
| 05:02.43 | peterS | Sean-Der: what I was looking for is: cert 0 in the chain, "i:" (issuer) matches cert 1's "s:" (subject). and on down the line. until you get to cert 4, which is self-signed ("s:" and "i:" are the same.) |
| 05:02.49 | peterS | Sean-Der: ...just fyi |
| 05:03.05 | Sean-Der | I need to brush up on this SSL stuff. I always blew it off before |
| 05:03.20 | peterS | it's a big confusing mess, no two ways about it |
| 05:03.46 | Sean-Der | Thanks again! |
| 05:03.50 | peterS | anyway, so long as a browser recognises certificate 4 (probably from the ca-certificates package), you're golden |
| 05:03.53 | peterS | no problem |
| 05:04.00 | peterS | oh, too slow, he left (: |
| 05:04.17 | upgrdman | dhclient eth0 just sits for a minute theb returns. Still cant ping google.com |
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| 05:05.08 | peterS | upgrdman: so, ummm, 'dmesg | grep eth0' - does that give any cause for concern? (network driver complaining about stuff, I mean) |
| 05:05.48 | peterS | upgrdman: for example on some chips you'll see a line of output every time a cable is plugged or unplugged |
| 05:05.52 | upgrdman | Unable to apply firmware patch. Thats it. |
| 05:06.00 | peterS | upgrdman: what's the chip? |
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| 05:06.10 | upgrdman | R8169 |
| 05:06.41 | peterS | upgrdman: yeah you probably need the 'firmware-realtek' package from non-free |
| 05:07.18 | peterS | I'm not certain this should be necessary but it is quite possible. that package at least includes some firmware for some of the variants supported by the 8169 driver |
| 05:07.44 | upgrdman | Damn. I have to reboot to livedvd then. Where can i download the .deb? |
| 05:08.30 | somiaj | upgrdman: packages.debian.org/firmware-realtek |
| 05:08.45 | upgrdman | Chooseing restart in gnome doesnt restart the computer. ? W |
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| 05:09.13 | peterS | maybe it restarts gnome. dunno, I don't use gnome, but that's a convention in some older window managers |
| 05:09.38 | peterS | ctrl-alt-f1 to get a text console, then ctrl-alt-del, should issue the restart sequence |
| 05:09.43 | upgrdman | It acts like it just changes runlevels then changes back. Braindead |
| 05:11.10 | civillian | windparadise: are you still having issues? |
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| 05:11.30 | peterS | huh, always worked for me. maybe some of the newfangled init replacement stuff has messed up the default handling of ctrl-alt-del |
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| 05:18.58 | connor_ | hey does anyone have experience with ssl keys? i was wondering if starttls is as secure as ssl/tls |
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| 05:22.30 | gnarface | connor_: i have experience with ssl keys and i don't know that. i *think* that at least the gnutls people will tell you its as secure |
| 05:22.39 | gnarface | connor_: they may say its *more* secure |
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| 05:28.29 | peterS | connor_: what do you mean by starttls? |
| 05:29.01 | peterS | connor_: starttls is just how to enable tls in a protocol designed to support both encrypted and unencrypted modes, such as SMTP on TCP port 25 |
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| 05:35.55 | connor_ | hmm i believe i understand |
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| 05:48.57 | bookmark | hiya |
| 05:49.31 | bookmark | i was trying to do some programming again, but i can't remember how to obtain source code examples... like right now i would like to obtain the mesa examples for opengl |
| 05:49.38 | bookmark | does anyone know how i would do that with apt? |
| 05:49.45 | bookmark | apt-get source? |
| 05:49.50 | bookmark | apt-source? |
| 05:49.53 | bookmark | something like that |
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| 05:50.23 | bookmark | or rather how would i find what im looking for? |
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| 05:51.06 | bookmark | dangit i knew this part at one time or another |
| 05:51.48 | somiaj | bookmark: you need a deb-src line you in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:52.02 | bookmark | ah |
| 05:52.03 | somiaj | bookmark: apt-get source <source pkg> is correct syntax |
| 05:52.14 | bookmark | how would i search through them? |
| 05:52.27 | bookmark | apt-cache? |
| 05:52.38 | somiaj | that just searches though your cache |
| 05:52.54 | Skolem | What is the command to apply the changes in a package's *.debian.tar.gz to the files extracted from *.orig.tar.gz? |
| 05:53.26 | somiaj | !tell bookmark about deb-src |
| 05:53.49 | somiaj | Skolem: are you just trying to compiple a package from the debian source? Its applied during the build process |
| 05:54.04 | Skolem | I'm actually trying to compile the package on OS-X, but I wanted the Debian changes. |
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| 05:55.00 | somiaj | Skolem: did you download the debian source with apt-get source? |
| 05:55.32 | Skolem | No, I just download the files from packages.debian.org. If sounds like using apt-get source will work. I didn't think of that. I'll try it now. |
| 05:55.33 | somiaj | Skolem: the actualy packages are usually located in the debian/packages/ dir |
| 05:55.54 | somiaj | Skolem: arg debian/patches -- patches are there |
| 05:56.13 | Skolem | Wait, yes, I have that⦠but how do I apply the patches? |
| 05:56.23 | somiaj | man patch |
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| 05:56.49 | Skolem | Yeah, fair enough. |
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| 05:57.02 | Skolem | I think there might also be other changes that aren't in the patches subdirectory though. |
| 05:57.17 | Skolem | Like entire other files that are added. Could that be? |
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| 05:58.21 | Skolem | It seems like "dpatch apply-all" is what I want, but it doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 05:58.31 | somiaj | well package.orig.tar.gz is the upstream source. package.debian.tar.gz just contains teh debian/ dir. Every difference should be applied though a patch. |
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| 05:59.36 | Skolem | OK, thanks, that's good to know. |
| 05:59.40 | somiaj | yea looks like you can use dpatch, but I am not familar with that utility. |
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| 06:01.16 | somiaj | Skolem: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html -- that useful? |
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| 06:02.11 | Skolem | Not as useful as the info you gave me. |
| 06:02.19 | somiaj | Skolem: I guess its mostly debian specific, but explains the three files you get from apt-get source |
| 06:02.47 | somiaj | yea I was just searching for info on the source package structure. |
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| 06:13.15 | paulfm | evening all |
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| 06:13.34 | paulfm | anyone feel like schooling me on some command line aptitude? |
| 06:14.12 | paulfm | is there a way to install a kernel via command line... non interactive... I cant seem to disable dpkg configure screen |
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| 06:15.03 | somiaj | paulfm: aptitude install linux-image-<version you want> |
| 06:15.52 | paulfm | somiaj: thanks somaij... I have gotten that far... but it gets stuck on dpkg curses interface |
| 06:16.35 | somiaj | paulfm: that is debconf asking you config questions. What is wrong with ncurses that it isn't rendering? |
| 06:16.36 | paulfm | I need a non interactive way... and I read about DEBIAN_FRONTEND... but dont know where to set it |
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| 06:17.18 | paulfm | somiaj: it is rendering... but I am using ssh on a remote system... and I want a non interactive debconf |
| 06:17.35 | somiaj | paulfm: you can reconfigure deb-conf to use readline instead of curses and change the level of questions it asks. Sometimes you have to answer questions so you may need to do a preseed |
| 06:17.40 | somiaj | but I'm not familar with those |
| 06:18.06 | simonlnu | export FOO=bar |
| 06:18.07 | somiaj | hmm looks like preseed is just for d-i, I was thinking it was for debconf as well |
| 06:18.38 | simonlnu | d-i uses debconf; you can feed it stuff |
| 06:18.56 | Vib3 | hi |
| 06:18.57 | paulfm | simonlnu: how do I export a var so its available to all shells |
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| 06:19.17 | paulfm | somiaj: thanks... yeah... I need to somehow setup debconf |
| 06:19.31 | paulfm | *reading* |
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| 06:19.43 | simonlnu | you don't. you set it beforehand so it does. you'll have to do each open one |
| 06:19.56 | somiaj | paulfm: dpkg-reconfigure debconf to change the system defaults. |
| 06:20.47 | pdtpatrick_ | paulfm: .. here's a good thread |
| 06:20.47 | pdtpatrick_ | http://fixunix.com/debian/127236-apt-get-y-upgrade-non-interactive-sessions-replacing-conf-files-etc.html |
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| 06:21.27 | paulfm | pdtpatrick_: thanks.. taking a looksee |
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| 06:21.50 | paulfm | simonlnu: hmm... I see |
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| 06:22.03 | paulfm | somiaj: thanks - taking a look |
| 06:22.20 | paulfm | pdtpatrick_: looks like what Im after |
| 06:22.30 | pdtpatrick_ | i think what you are looking for might be in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 06:23.06 | Vib3 | hi |
| 06:23.15 | Vib3 | is it possible? -> http://pastebin.com/eJpxEWhx |
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| 06:24.59 | somiaj | Vib3: anything wrong with the fglrx package that comes in squeeze? -- If the newer module requires a newer kernel, you'll want to get a backport of a more recent kernel |
| 06:25.00 | streuner_ | Vib3: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 06:25.17 | paulfm | pdtpatrick_: checking it out - thanks |
| 06:25.23 | pdtpatrick_ | np |
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| 06:26.52 | pdtpatrick_ | Question ... been thinking and maybe i'll test it on my own first. But does anyone use something that tells them how long a process has been running? I know squeeze uses upstart and most of the configs are in /etc/init/ |
| 06:27.04 | Vib3 | somiaj: nothing i just updated kernel to 3 |
| 06:27.06 | pdtpatrick_ | just curious .. if not i'll just continue working on what i've been doing |
| 06:28.06 | Vib3 | somiaj: i think it said kernel module missing or something like that |
| 06:28.14 | simonlnu | squeeze doesn't use upstart. it's present in squeeze, but does not 8use it. |
| 06:28.20 | somiaj | Vib3: what is wrong with the fglrx drivers in squeeze, do you just have a bleeding edge ati card? |
| 06:28.30 | simonlnu | use* |
| 06:29.46 | Vib3 | somiaj: dkms failed for fglrx when i build 3.0 kernel |
| 06:30.10 | somiaj | Vib3: you can even find 11.4 in backports, is that new enough? -- where are you getting this 3.0 kernel? |
| 06:31.15 | Vib3 | somiaj: from github, ohh i hope so |
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| 06:31.50 | somiaj | Vib3: might want to just grab the 2.6.39 kernel from backports as well, you'll get better support sticking within debian packages. |
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| 06:33.57 | Vib3 | somiaj: i have new motherboard and phenom 2 processor, does it have support for DDR3 ECC ? |
| 06:34.37 | Vib3 | thats one reason getting new kernel, cos EDAC didn't support DDR3 |
| 06:35.15 | somiaj | there is very little difference between 2.6.39 and 3.0 -- 3.0 is just 2.6.40 renamed. Yes there is differences but they are small. I cannot tell you when DDR3 ECC support was added, but I'd say before 2.6.39 |
| 06:35.41 | somiaj | you'll have to look up at the change log if you want to find what version that support was added. I think 2.6.39 should be fine. |
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| 06:42.11 | pdtpatrick_ | simonlnu: much appreciated |
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| 06:44.02 | Vib3 | somiaj: ok, nice i found 2.6.39 from backports |
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| 06:45.14 | somiaj | Vib3: yea install the headers and try the fglrx from backports as well. |
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| 06:50.10 | mjrosenb_ | has anyone else noticed makor breakage with bash completion recently? |
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| 06:50.46 | somiaj | mjrosenb_: in testing/sid? Have you checked the bts? |
| 06:51.10 | mjrosenb_ | bts? |
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| 06:57.22 | somiaj | mjrosenb_: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org/<pkgname> |
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| 06:57.41 | somiaj | mjrosenb_: something you should use for info if you run testing/unstable software. |
| 06:57.41 | Gruber | that's useful, I didn't know /pkgname worked as a direct link |
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| 06:58.06 | somiaj | Gruber: works in packages.debian.org/<pkg name> for a quick search as well, (: |
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| 06:58.25 | Gruber | somiaj: very useful too |
| 06:59.10 | t0ny-p40 | What is the proper way of setting the host name? |
| 06:59.29 | t0ny-p40 | hostname reports my hostname while hostname -A reports my old one. |
| 06:59.47 | somiaj | t0ny-p40: /etc/hostname should be the file that its set |
| 07:00.13 | t0ny-p40 | I set that. |
| 07:00.17 | somiaj | t0ny-p40: maybe its getting the old one from /etc/hosts (if your ip is set to the old name) |
| 07:00.25 | t0ny-p40 | Ah. |
| 07:01.19 | t0ny-p40 | Nope. :( |
| 07:01.36 | somiaj | t0ny-p40: man hostname, says '-A' enumerates all configured network interfaces and dose reverse DNS on it. Could you ahve a DNS on your nat returing the old name? |
| 07:02.11 | t0ny-p40 | Yes, thats proably it. |
| 07:02.36 | t0ny-p40 | But I don't have control of it. Amazon does. My problem is mailman is trying to use the old domain name. |
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| 07:04.07 | somiaj | sounds more like a mailman issue, though I can't help with that. |
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| 07:09.16 | paulfm | thanks all for the insight (as always) |
| 07:09.19 | paulfm | laters |
| 07:10.05 | totte | I'm trying to setup exim4 and dovecot as smtp and imap servers on a VPS and I'm struggling to understand why it is so complex. Most tutorials are either outdated or inadequate while the official docs ain't an easy read. Is there something I should learn before trying to set this up? |
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| 07:12.11 | apassi | Hi, does someone know any backup software, which is able take backups until disk space is full, and then start to replace oldest versions with new? |
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| 07:13.25 | joltcan | totte: maybe this can be helpful? http://blog.mekk.com/2011/03/exim4-dovecot-with-sqlite.html |
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| 07:13.53 | joltcan | totte: I mainly followed the dovecot docs on their homepage |
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| 07:14.19 | joltcan | totte: let me know if I should cut n paste something from my conf-file for you |
| 07:14.30 | enosdan | Hello Debian. I broke my system while upgrading squeeze to kernel 2.6.39. Can any1 pls help me? |
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| 07:16.25 | totte | joltcan: Thanks, got to go but will be back later. Was expecting configurations in style with proftpd or apache, this was waaay over my head. :) |
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| 07:17.37 | joltcan | totte: well, that was for authenticating your exim mail sending users with dovecot, not sure if you need that |
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| 07:17.51 | somiaj | enosdan: where did you get this 2.6.39 kernel? |
| 07:18.20 | enosdan | somiaj: from the official backports repository |
| 07:18.51 | somiaj | enosdan: what is broken? Installing that kernel shouldn't have messed with any of the core. Is it not booting. Can you boot up off the old kernel just fine? |
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| 07:20.07 | enosdan | somiaj: no because k.39 was conflicting with init(something) v.98, which was needed for k.32, so I removed both k.32 and init(something) v.98 |
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| 07:20.41 | somiaj | enosdan: so you removed init? Do you have a copy of the packages you removed? |
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| 07:21.31 | somiaj | enosdan: you may have to boot up off of a recovery cd, chroot into your system and install the old kernel and init package |
| 07:22.00 | enosdan | well I can reinstall, all data is safe... the problem is where do I get the version .99 of that initram or inittools package to be compatible with k2.6.39? |
| 07:22.12 | somiaj | enosdan: in teh future never remove a working kernel until the new one you install works. |
| 07:22.44 | enosdan | somiaj: Y I totally agree, but I had to otherwise the new kernel would not install |
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| 07:23.14 | somiaj | enosdan: the backported kernel should be compiled against the software in squeeze. To me it seems weird it was complaining. It wanted you to update the initramfs-tools package? |
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| 07:24.09 | enosdan | somiaj: I believe so. k.38 installed fine (but had a whole different issue) while k.39 forced me to uninstall the initramfs-tools .98 package |
| 07:25.46 | somiaj | enosdan: did you install the initramfs-tools from backports as well? Yes it does appear they want you to upgrade. What is the actual error youg et when booting? |
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| 07:27.00 | enosdan | somiaj: I found no other initram-tools package in the repository. Error is more or less cannot mount root fs (root is EXT4) |
| 07:27.26 | Vib3 | somiaj: now i get :/ -> http://pastebin.com/bXfS4Xcf |
| 07:27.34 | enosdan | somiaj: but I will reinstall, no problem. Are you sure initramfs-tools .99 is in squeeze backports? |
| 07:27.39 | somiaj | enosdan: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/initramfs-tools -- yea the 2.6.39 kernel seems to require a new initramfs-tools package, but its also in backports. |
| 07:27.57 | somiaj | enosdan: so where did you get this initramfs-tools package you installed? Please tell you you didn't install it from sid. |
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| 07:28.22 | Retenodus | Hi |
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| 07:28.44 | somiaj | Vib3: add a -t squeeze-backports (so it knows to grab dependes from there) |
| 07:29.08 | enosdan | somiaj: no I only had squeeze official + backports repos on... that's weird, as I could not find initramfs-tools .99 there |
| 07:29.10 | somiaj | Vib3: if that doesn't work try apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-foo linux-base initramfs-tools firwware-linux-free |
| 07:29.34 | somiaj | enosdan: backports is just pinned lower so you ahve to manually intsall it like I told Vib3 |
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| 07:31.25 | enosdan | somiaj: I see! that's strange behavior as the kernel image is directly available in repos. I will follow your instructions then. |
| 07:31.49 | somiaj | Vib3: seems the firware-linux-free package it wants is from a security update. Do you have security sorces that are up to date. |
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| 07:32.18 | somiaj | enosdan: well its in the backports repos. By default we dont' want every backport installed on someones system if they do an upgrade |
| 07:32.37 | Vib3 | somiaj: it installed with just that -t squeeze-backports |
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| 07:32.48 | somiaj | enosdan: so backporst are pinned to never be an upgrade. So when you install something from teh backports you have to explicitaly state to install it form backports (and then it will grab depends form there) |
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| 07:33.11 | somiaj | enosdan: notice all Vib3 needed was a -t squeeze-backports to say install this package and its depends from backports |
| 07:33.29 | grimeton | what happened to cdrecord? not available anymore? |
| 07:33.32 | Vib3 | but now its says: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169 for few rtl81.. |
| 07:33.35 | somiaj | grimeton: wodim |
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| 07:34.00 | grimeton | somiaj: thanks |
| 07:34.02 | somiaj | Vib3: add your security.debian.org sources and do a security upgrade seems you have some outdated packages. |
| 07:34.09 | enosdan | somiaj: I understand, it may not be stupid-proof but makes sense :-) |
| 07:34.12 | somiaj | grimeton: same program, new name. |
| 07:35.13 | somiaj | Vib3: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-free -- one error said this was outdated which seems to be a security update |
| 07:35.44 | Vib3 | somiaj: i have man non-free in deb and main in deb-src |
| 07:35.57 | somiaj | Vib3: do you have any security.debian.org sources. |
| 07:36.04 | Vib3 | somiaj: is that r8169 security issue? |
| 07:36.10 | enosdan | somiaj: thanks a lot for your help. I just migrated from years of Slackware and so far I am very happy with squeeze. |
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| 07:36.25 | Vib3 | somiaj: yes, deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib |
| 07:36.25 | Vib3 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 07:36.51 | somiaj | enosdan: debian is a nice system, trick with squeeze is be very very careful to keep the core 'stable' so you get the security and debian support |
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| 07:37.16 | somiaj | enosdan: issue is just you have to backport (compile everything aginst this frozen system) so usually there is a few packages someone wants newer than the freeze. Hence backports. |
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| 07:37.55 | enosdan | somiaj: yes I get the idea. Like it lots. Stability FTW :-) |
| 07:38.17 | enosdan | somiaj: hope karma will reward for your kindness & wisdom. Goodbye |
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| 07:41.39 | somiaj | Vib3: put a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list on paste.debian.net (or another pastebin) |
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| 07:42.00 | somiaj | Vib3: (Also no need to msg me, I like to keep conversations public). I think you are just missing your security sources |
| 07:42.09 | somiaj | !security |
| 07:42.10 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 07:43.23 | lissyx | hello |
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| 07:44.37 | Vib3 | somiaj: i added non-free also to security deb, in security deb-src is just main |
| 07:45.08 | somiaj | Vib3: can I see a copy of your sources.list on a pastebin |
| 07:45.23 | somiaj | Vib3: also apt-cache policy linux-firmware-free |
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| 07:47.39 | Vib3 | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/Yrtdyfat |
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| 07:48.42 | somiaj | Vib3: and the second command |
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| 07:48.57 | Vib3 | N: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-free |
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| 07:50.22 | somiaj | Vib3: sorry, apt-cache policy firmware-linux-free |
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| 07:51.35 | Vib3 | http://pastebin.com/8BXWzYac |
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| 07:53.37 | lissyx | any isc dhcp master here ? |
| 07:53.56 | lissyx | I have some strange behavior in squeeze that I can't figure out |
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| 07:54.06 | simonlnu | just ask the question, not for a person |
| 07:54.23 | somiaj | Vib3: hmm, seem to have the right package, though I'm not sure what the backport dependency is. |
| 07:54.41 | grimeton | what tool do i want to use to handle efi partitions when parted is NOT available? |
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| 07:55.24 | lissyx | testcase I have strip down is: network interfaces issues a dhcp request to do pxe boot, receives undionly.kpxe image (iPXE), then executes iPXE. iPXE executes another DHCP request, to ask for the iPXE script |
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| 07:55.41 | lissyx | at this point, both dhcp request returned an IP address X |
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| 07:55.54 | lissyx | if I reboot the machine, the next dhcp request get another IP address |
| 07:56.05 | lissyx | no MAC changed, lease time is not a parameter influencing |
| 07:56.14 | simonlnu | do it by mac address? |
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| 07:56.44 | simonlnu | one ip to same mac, another ip to another macc, etc |
| 07:56.46 | lissyx | if I use DHCP it's not to write down IP address ... |
| 07:56.50 | simonlnu | mac* |
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| 07:57.49 | somiaj | Vib3: well it was just a warning. My research shows that http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-free has no dependencies and is just a collection of firmware. If you happen to need newer firware for your hardware you may need to just grab that and install it. My guess is you don't but untill you reboot and get the new kernel working I cannot say. |
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| 08:02.35 | F0lk | Apple verstärkt sich auch bei ortsbezogenen Diensten: Mit der App Find My Friends kann man den aktuellen Aufenthaltsort seiner Freunde sehen, die sich dazu bereiterklärt haben. Der Dienst habe einfache und präzise Einstellungen zur Privatsphäre, betont Apple. |
| 08:02.42 | F0lk | wrong channel |
| 08:02.44 | F0lk | sorry |
| 08:02.45 | Vib3 | plz english |
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| 08:12.55 | mjau^ | hi! does anyone know what happened to the emerald package for debian? |
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| 08:14.00 | karen_m | it went gold? |
| 08:14.14 | karen_m | *crickets* |
| 08:14.32 | steso | hi all, I hope this is the right place to ask; it looks like that libtiff4-dev (and libtiff-dev) doesn't come with a .pc file... this makes the package invisible to pkg-config, and currently prevents building piglit (the mesa-approved GL test suite) |
| 08:14.37 | steso | is this a packaging error? |
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| 08:21.07 | oldirty | Yeah, that doesn't sound quite right |
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| 08:21.55 | somiaj | steso: I didn't see any bugs on bugs.debian.org -- I'd suggest filing a wishlist bug. |
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| 08:24.17 | steso | oldirty, somiaj: yeah, no bug there... I wanted a confirmation before posting cr*p bug entries and wasting the mantainer's time :-) |
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| 08:27.57 | steso | er... how do I file a bug if I have only gmail available and no MTA locally? |
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| 08:28.20 | benjick | Hello. I |
| 08:28.46 | steso | nevermind, I just found this: http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug#Using_GMail.27s_SMTP_Server |
| 08:28.48 | somiaj | steso: man reportbug (there are options to specify a SMTP server) - You can also get it to make a copy of the email it generates. |
| 08:28.55 | benjick | Hello. I'm having trouble with snmpd on my debian install. All my ubuntu works fine but snmpd doesn't do anything. It doesn't give me an error on start but it's not running |
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| 08:29.00 | steso | somiaj: thanks :-) |
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| 08:30.34 | MmikeMazda | How do I force rotation of /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/mail.info? |
| 08:31.14 | benjick | http://pastebin.com/sV3XfAWJ |
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| 08:33.50 | MmikeMazda | ok, using savelog |
| 08:33.51 | MmikeMazda | thnx :) |
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| 08:37.26 | oldirty | benjick: what happens when you run the script from init.d by hand? should be something along the lines of /etc/init.d/snmpd |
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| 08:38.14 | Vib3 | somiaj: installed kernel and fglrx from backports and now I get -> http://pastebin.com/JQvgB4jJ |
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| 08:39.02 | benjick | oldirty: I ran nmap now and the post is marked closed |
| 08:39.26 | oldirty | because snmp is not running :) |
| 08:39.26 | benjick | oldirty: also see paste at http://pastebin.com/sV3XfAWJ |
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| 08:39.34 | benjick | oldirty: oh, okey |
| 08:40.05 | oldirty | paste me the contents of /etc/init.d/snmpd |
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| 08:40.15 | steso | doh, reportbug-gtk segfaults... |
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| 08:40.31 | benjick | disaster:/home/benjick# /etc/init.d/snmpd |
| 08:40.31 | benjick | Usage: /etc/init.d/snmpd {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} |
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| 08:41.00 | benjick | The process is running i think |
| 08:41.01 | benjick | disaster:/home/benjick# ps aux | grep snmpd |
| 08:41.02 | benjick | snmp 13420 0.0 3.2 10144 4092 ? S 10:30 0:00 /usr/sbin/snmpd -Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1 |
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| 08:41.25 | oldirty | hmm |
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| 08:41.40 | oldirty | do you have netcat install, perchance? |
| 08:41.50 | benjick | sec |
| 08:41.58 | benjick | now i do |
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| 08:42.35 | oldirty | :) What does 'nc -uz localhost 161 ; echo $? ' say? |
| 08:42.41 | somiaj | Vib3: dpkg -l | grep fglrx -- did you install the fglrx-modules-dkms package? |
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| 08:42.48 | benjick | it returns 0 |
| 08:43.07 | oldirty | okay, then snmp is listening |
| 08:43.17 | oldirty | what makes you think it's not? |
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| 08:43.51 | oldirty | oh, because you can't telnet to localhost on 161? |
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| 08:44.00 | oldirty | that's because telnet runs over TCP and SNMP runs over UDP :) |
| 08:44.10 | somiaj | Vib3: it seems you are trying to mix the debian version with the one you are trying to build. I would just stick to the debian method for install the module. It should generate it against your kernel if you have the headder files insstalled. |
| 08:44.23 | Vib3 | somiaj: yes, shows 1:10-9-3 for every packet |
| 08:44.29 | benjick | oldirty: I can't connect to it |
| 08:45.07 | oldirty | benjick: you're trying to connect to port 161 over TCP, SNMP is a UDP protocol. |
| 08:45.10 | benjick | oldirty: Oh, okey. My snmp client (observium) can't connect either. No firewall present |
| 08:45.34 | oldirty | benjick: the SNMP client is configured to only listen to localhost. check /etc/defaults/snmpd |
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| 08:45.55 | oldirty | and by client i obviously meant server |
| 08:46.00 | somiaj | Vib3: install the ones from backports. apt-get install -t squeeze-backports fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 08:46.05 | oldirty | sorry for the confusion, i'm feeling terrible today. |
| 08:46.16 | benjick | that file doesn't exists |
| 08:46.22 | Vib3 | somiaj: i tried it but dkms failed -> http://pastebin.com/eLDTGPKG |
| 08:46.33 | benjick | It's okey :) I can't complain when someone is helping me |
| 08:46.48 | benjick | found the file |
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| 08:47.11 | Vib3 | somiaj: ohh it installed wrong versions |
| 08:47.16 | benjick | I guess i should remove the ip from SNMPDOPTS='-Lsd -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid 127.0.0.1' |
| 08:47.30 | oldirty | Cool! Just remove ... exactly! |
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| 08:47.59 | benjick | oldirty: Great success! Thank you so much :) |
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| 08:48.27 | oldirty | not a problem. don't forget me when you're rich and famous! |
| 08:48.42 | Es0teric | how do i resolve a subdomain? |
| 08:49.02 | benjick | oldirty: I wont! |
| 08:49.12 | benjick | Es0teric: host subdomain.example.com |
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| 08:49.35 | Es0teric | benjick, i type that in the terminal right? |
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| 08:49.42 | benjick | Es0teric: Yes |
| 08:50.04 | Vib3 | somiaj: it says: "fglrx-modules-dkms is already the newest version." with -t squeeze-backports |
| 08:50.33 | Es0teric | benjick, ok.. so now it tells me that its an alias for the same thing... not the primary domain |
| 08:51.11 | benjick | Es0teric: Can you paste it? |
| 08:51.48 | Es0teric | benjick -> http://pastebin.com/KJQkbSXh |
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| 08:52.34 | benjick | Es0teric: http://pastebin.com/cs4M7i4H |
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| 08:53.48 | Es0teric | benjick -> http://pastebin.com/SYKPxbKb |
| 08:54.16 | benjick | That's wierd. |
| 08:54.31 | Es0teric | benjick, yes it is... |
| 08:55.02 | Es0teric | benjick -> http://pastebin.com/5gPX6ttR thats my apache config (the way apache sees it) |
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| 08:58.15 | benjick | Es0teric: try nslookup test.mysite.ws |
| 08:58.45 | Vib3 | somiaj: you know why is that? -> http://pastebin.com/Sb8653hS |
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| 09:00.57 | Es0teric | benjick, i think its like that because i edited the zone record |
| 09:01.01 | Es0teric | for that... |
| 09:01.29 | Es0teric | benjick, i edited the CNAME for it.. |
| 09:01.46 | benjick | How does you zonefile look? |
| 09:02.03 | Es0teric | benjick, its a godaddy hosted domain but worldstream.nl server |
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| 09:03.07 | Es0teric | benjick, and the nslookup returned an ip.. but not the ip of the server.. it returned a diff. ip, starts with 24 |
| 09:03.40 | benjick | Es0teric: Did you just change the record? |
| 09:03.54 | somiaj | Vib3: I don't actually see any errors there. Ends at Setting up fglrx-driver |
| 09:04.02 | Es0teric | benjick, yes i just changed it now.. i removed the test.mysite.com record from CNAME |
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| 09:04.16 | schorem | hi |
| 09:04.59 | Vib3 | somiaj: yeap, but wrong version, 11.4 is backport version |
| 09:05.13 | Es0teric | Host test.mysite.ws not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 09:05.21 | schorem | leave |
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| 09:06.08 | benjick | Es0teric: DNS-records can take up to 24 hours to functions all over the internet |
| 09:06.42 | Es0teric | ok, benjick.. but since i setup the subdomain through apache, it doesnt matter if i actually add it to godaddy or not right? |
| 09:06.44 | Sevet | or even much longer, depending on ttl settings |
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| 09:07.30 | nkuttler | Es0teric: apache doesn't configure your DNS for you, no |
| 09:07.43 | nkuttler | Es0teric: set up a wildcard dns record.. |
| 09:07.45 | benjick | Es0teric: You have to set up them on godaddy, apache wont tell your DNS-server about your subdomains |
| 09:08.16 | somiaj | Vib3: Is that a new enough version for your hardware? |
| 09:08.28 | somiaj | Vib3: have you built the module and gotten x to start? |
| 09:08.32 | Es0teric | nkuttler -> http://pastebin.com/5gPX6ttR |
| 09:08.46 | Vib3 | somiaj: no, module fails due to that |
| 09:09.01 | Vib3 | i wonder why its offering that wrong version |
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| 09:09.13 | Vib3 | not that backport one |
| 09:09.54 | somiaj | Vib3: what does apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-modules-dkms do? |
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| 09:10.35 | nkuttler | Es0teric: if the domain doesn't resolve you should check your hoster's support |
| 09:11.39 | Vib3 | somiaj: trying to: Setting up fglrx-modules-dkms (1:10-9-3) ... |
| 09:11.48 | Vib3 | its trying wrong version |
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| 09:14.10 | Vib3 | somiaj: ohh problem was in repos, fixed that so ok |
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| 09:18.17 | newbie_linux | is md5 of an iso file different from its burned dvd? or it should be same? |
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| 09:20.12 | newbie_linux | silent? |
| 09:20.33 | Bushmills | may be different, because of padding at file end |
| 09:20.35 | vlt | newbie_linux: Should be the same. Check the size of both |
| 09:21.19 | vlt | newbie_linux: I mean, check only the first sizeof(iso) bytes of the DVD. |
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| 09:21.29 | newbie_linux | size is same but md5 are different! |
| 09:21.50 | vlt | newbie_linux: Then you're doing it wrong ;-) |
| 09:22.20 | vlt | newbie_linux: How did you check the DVD's size? |
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| 09:22.51 | newbie_linux | so both iso & dvd md5 must be same. righ? |
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| 09:23.01 | vlt | newbie_linux: Should be, yes. |
| 09:23.14 | newbie_linux | thanks |
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| 09:24.01 | aminpy | I run apt-get autoremove, and very packages removed, how can I install them? |
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| 09:27.50 | somiaj | aminpy: apt-get install them again -- you can check out /var/log/apt/history.log to see the list of the ones removed |
| 09:28.00 | somiaj | aminpy: or just install the ones you want |
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| 09:28.28 | mikoskay | i have lvm partition table on encrypted physical partition. will i have any problem installing testing from weekle build keeping and keeping my data? |
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| 09:29.40 | vlt | mikoskay: Too few details to tell. |
| 09:30.03 | aminpy | somiaj, how can I downgrade to squeeze? |
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| 09:30.11 | aminpy | from whee |
| 09:30.14 | aminpy | wheezy |
| 09:30.16 | aminpy | *\ |
| 09:30.31 | mikoskay | vlt: what you need to know? its a luks aes-cbc-essiv encrypted physical partition with lvm table on it. |
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| 09:31.51 | vlt | mikoskay: Ok, all I can say is: testing is able to decrypt a LUKS device and to activate LVs on it. |
| 09:31.51 | somiaj | aminpy: reinstall is the best option. |
| 09:32.26 | aminpy | somiaj, I install debian squeeze, but I install some packages from wheezy |
| 09:32.46 | aminpy | somiaj, how can I downgrade those packages to squeeze version? |
| 09:32.47 | somiaj | aminpy: if its only a few you can try to isolate them and manually install the squeeze versions with dpkg. |
| 09:33.13 | somiaj | aptitude search ~S~i~Atesting should show you what packages to downgrade |
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| 09:33.19 | mikoskay | vlt: and will its installer recognize my current partition layout make use of it and set up needed init scripts without data loss? |
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| 09:34.52 | joakim__ | Hi all, I was woundering if any one knows if I can mount a WebDAV drive and then make it avalible offline? kindof like dropbox but with WebDAV as the backend |
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| 09:35.41 | jham | joakim__: something like owncloud? |
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| 09:37.19 | joakim__ | jham, no my ISP gives me a WebDAV dev and Id like to be able to have some living bussines docs there and also be able to work on them wehn not online |
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| 09:37.58 | joakim__ | jham, and the as soon as Im online again it will sync to the WebDAV dev |
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| 09:38.44 | vlt | mikoskay: I don't know. |
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| 09:40.32 | jham | joakim__: actually i thought that is what owncloud is for. just make it use your webdav ressource. didn't try it though |
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| 09:42.18 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 09:42.36 | Posterdati | please does anyone know how to make abra checkpoint vpn works under linux? |
| 09:42.38 | Posterdati | thanks |
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| 09:56.21 | aminpy | I have a debian squeeze but I need to postgresql 9.0 |
| 09:56.28 | aminpy | how can I install it? |
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| 09:58.35 | petemc | aminpy: check for a backport |
| 09:58.50 | pbase | how to I select the internal mic to record? |
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| 10:04.25 | karen_m | somehow my ipv6 gets knocked out, rebooting fixes it. How can I check to see the route is proper or what is wrong? |
| 10:05.31 | pbase | traceroute? |
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| 10:05.59 | oldirty | karen_m: I would start by checking the basic stuff - ifconfig, route -n. |
| 10:06.19 | oldirty | karen_m: do it once for control while the connection is working and compare the output when the connection goes down. |
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| 10:06.29 | oldirty | or v6route |
| 10:06.32 | oldirty | whatevs. |
| 10:06.42 | joakim__ | jham, Thanks Ill look in to that |
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| 10:06.44 | Dagger3 | `route -n`? in this day and age? O.o |
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| 10:07.00 | Dagger3 | (`ip -6 r` is the more modern way of looking at routes) |
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| 10:08.28 | pbase | I can't use the internal mic in the laptop.. how do I enable it? |
| 10:09.38 | pbase | also the bluetooth requires me to enable in windows first and then it works for debian (for one login session only) |
| 10:10.15 | pbase | these two problems fixed and then I can submit my hardware specs to debian for a perfectly working computer |
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| 10:12.40 | karen_m | how do I set the ipv6 route to be : 2604:9a00:2100:a000::1 |
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| 10:13.51 | Dagger3 | you can set the default route with `ip -6 r a default via 2604:9a00:2100:a000::1` |
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| 10:15.27 | karen_m | rtlink responds no route to host, i think i have a bad nic or something |
| 10:15.29 | Slydder | hey all. I have an NFS share mounted and need to sync it with a local directory automatically. I would like to forgo a cron solution because of the rsync overhead. better would be something like lsyncd that actually works with nfs mounts. any ideas? |
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| 10:16.16 | dudz_ | is there such a thing as a kernel version causing ECC ram to not work and stop the machine from booting with ram errors ? |
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| 10:16.49 | dudz_ | like a kernel version that does not support ECC ram, there is no real difference from ecc and non-ecc aside from the obvious that the ecc has ecc and the non-ecc hasn't got ecc :P ? |
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| 10:17.04 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, no |
| 10:17.04 | dudz_ | it shouldn't effect the machine from booting ? |
| 10:17.12 | Gentoo64 | post or boot? |
| 10:17.27 | dudz_ | after grub just crashing and dumping memory errors |
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| 10:17.40 | Gentoo64 | afaik the kernel only has options for ram error protection |
| 10:17.45 | Gentoo64 | and recovery |
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| 10:18.17 | Gentoo64 | but i have no exp at all with ecc... so im not much help :p |
| 10:18.18 | dudz_ | a general computer question then, if your motherboard supports dual-channel memory but your memory does not, and you put the memory in dual-channel mode, this will cause problems ? |
| 10:18.25 | Dagger3 | karen_m: you need a route to that IP... e.g. by having an IP in 2604:9a00:2100:a000::/64 on your upstream interface (or possibly you may be able to add 'dev eth0' to the `ip` command to specify the interface?) |
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| 10:18.43 | colo-work | dudz_, OS-support for ECC is completely voluntary. if you boot an OS uncapable of supporting ECC/EDAC on a machine whose BIOS enables it, nothing (bad) will happen |
| 10:18.45 | Dagger3 | but the exact config you need depends on how Leaseweb have set their network up |
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| 10:19.02 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, it should work. ram is pretty random |
| 10:19.07 | Gentoo64 | might work might not |
| 10:19.07 | colo-work | dudz_, "dual channel" (ganged mode) does not need explicit support from your DIMMs |
| 10:19.12 | colo-work | only from the chipset side |
| 10:19.30 | colo-work | it is of course _possible_ that it doesn't work, but only with rather crappy DIMMs |
| 10:19.31 | Gentoo64 | but if the ram is supported, 2 stick should run in dual channel |
| 10:19.46 | dudz_ | ok, its just strange though, my problem seams to only accure during booting the operating system, when i changed ram to non-ecc memory the debian 6.0.2.1 installation boots. |
| 10:19.55 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, dont forget thet have to be in the 2 seperate channels, not sde by side |
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| 10:20.28 | dudz_ | but Gentoo64 thats only if i want my ram to run in dual-channel mode hey, otherwise it just runs in single channel mode, it wont effect booting my operating system ? |
| 10:20.34 | karen_m | iv'e rebooted, ipv6 is working.. now it will kick out at somepoint |
| 10:20.46 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, no it wont affect booting its just run in single |
| 10:20.55 | dudz_ | yeah thats what i thought, hmm |
| 10:20.56 | Dagger3 | karen_m: are you perhaps blocking icmpv6 in ip6tables? |
| 10:21.08 | dudz_ | i supose i could try run a memory check then hey |
| 10:21.17 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, thatd be the first thing id do |
| 10:21.19 | dudz_ | though i didn't see any boot option for this with the debian cd |
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| 10:21.30 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, well a lot of livecds have memtest |
| 10:21.36 | Gentoo64 | ubuntu |
| 10:21.38 | karen_m | Dagger3, no |
| 10:21.39 | Gentoo64 | is one |
| 10:21.41 | dudz_ | yeah, so i just need to burn another cd hey |
| 10:21.49 | dudz_ | can't do it with the debian installer cd |
| 10:21.53 | Gentoo64 | make it partedmagic so its not a waste |
| 10:22.03 | dudz_ | splendid |
| 10:22.13 | dudz_ | so thats just partedmagic.org i guess hey |
| 10:22.24 | Gentoo64 | i think so yea. its a useful cd to have |
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| 10:22.33 | mah454 | I receive error (createrepo command) : Error opening file for checksum: <open file '<fdopen>', mode 'rb' at 0xa2f12e0> |
| 10:22.34 | dudz_ | excellent, ok thanks i'll try that out |
| 10:23.09 | dudz_ | but also, normally if you have put ram into your machine that the motherboard does not support you will get beeping from the motherboard and nothing will display until you turn it off and replace the memory ? |
| 10:23.24 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, a lot of ram is back compatable |
| 10:23.32 | Gentoo64 | but not all |
| 10:23.34 | dudz_ | the fact that the machine is booting then just stalling at grub doesn't mean that the ram isn't supported, its just there could be errors in the ram i guess hey |
| 10:24.06 | colo-work | dudz_, have you tried disabling "quick boot" yet? |
| 10:24.07 | Gentoo64 | if youve managed to install it fine the ram is probably fine, could be anything |
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| 10:24.30 | dudz_ | uyeah i installed using the debian installer, then when i try to boot it fails |
| 10:24.39 | dudz_ | unless i change the ram to non-ECC then it boots |
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| 10:24.43 | colo-work | how exactly does it fail? |
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| 10:25.21 | dudz_ | i dont have the machine infrount of me to answer that question, but from what i'm told it just gives those messages telling you where the ram is like 00x0000 or whatever |
| 10:25.32 | dudz_ | which i diagnosed as being ram related, and when we swaped the ram it started to bootup |
| 10:26.25 | dudz_ | anyway thanks i'll try the memory test before i do anything else. |
| 10:27.22 | Vib3 | somiaj: nice, it worked but i need ati 11.6 cos couldn't adjust clock speed etc |
| 10:27.45 | Gentoo64 | dudz_, i think running non ecc will be fine unless its a serious server |
| 10:27.48 | oldirty | Dagger3: sorry, I work at a web hosting company with a ton of outdated boxes ;( |
| 10:28.13 | oldirty | Dagger3: mostly lenny, some etch, some sarge, even a few potato machines still out there. |
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| 10:29.57 | themill | oldirty: hopefully the etch and older boxen aren't on public networks any more... |
| 10:30.07 | Dagger3 | oldirty: yeesh... though, I have a woody machine here, and even that has `ip` |
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| 10:32.30 | oldirty | themill: they are on public networks :| |
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| 10:33.24 | oldirty | but most have custom FTP/Apache versions so it's not like some kiddiot can just come along |
| 10:33.36 | oldirty | bah, who am i kidding. it's a freaking nightmare. |
| 10:33.37 | themill | oldirty: this is not a good situation for you or for the internet at large... kernel and network-facing daemons haven't received security support for 18 months or so. |
| 10:34.00 | oldirty | network facing daemons are all custom. a |
| 10:34.25 | oldirty | nd the kernel is actually quite recent (2.6.36) in most cases |
| 10:34.27 | themill | "custom" doesn't mean "is up to date" |
| 10:34.33 | oldirty | fair. |
| 10:35.04 | oldirty | i'm not trying to defend the crappiness of the situation |
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| 10:35.45 | obsidieth | oldirty: i found a bsd 4.9 box at work |
| 10:35.48 | obsidieth | kernel from 2005. |
| 10:35.49 | obsidieth | : | |
| 10:35.51 | obsidieth | in production. |
| 10:36.02 | oldirty | obsidieth: yeesh. |
| 10:37.04 | oldirty | obsidieth: we just retired a pair of BSD/OS machines that were from around then, if not older |
| 10:37.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | please bring it back on topic guys... or take it to -offtopic |
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| 10:38.20 | oldirty | Kamping_Kaiser: apologies. |
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| 10:38.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldirty: np :) |
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| 10:40.02 | Caelum | my cursor in urxvt still does not show up, after a bunch of upgrades of xserver and stuff |
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| 10:43.06 | bloops | is there an utility to install deb's locally (without root access |
| 10:43.47 | bloops | it should take care of dependencies etc. |
| 10:45.01 | petemc | no |
| 10:45.13 | PerfDave | bloops: Installing packages requires access to root-only bits of the filesystem. |
| 10:45.43 | bloops | PerfDave: Hmm, I see |
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| 10:47.08 | Caelum | bloops: you can unpack .debs with ar -x |
| 10:47.23 | Caelum | bloops: then untar the data.tar.gz somewhere in your home dir |
| 10:48.03 | themill | actually, you'd just "dpkg -x" to unpack them, just don't expect them to work in their new location. |
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| 10:48.23 | bloops | Caelum: Yes, I do that usually. But most of the time they have lots of dependencies... |
| 10:49.40 | Caelum | bloops: writing a non-root apt/dpkg system would be an interesting project :) |
| 10:49.43 | bloops | themill: if I could download and unpack every dependecies in, say, ~/.local , is there a way to tell where to look for stuff |
| 10:50.10 | bloops | Caelum: yes, I'm willing to try it actually. but I'm not sure how difficult it would be |
| 10:50.42 | bloops | Caelum: at our college we don't have root access and it would be really helpful! |
| 10:51.16 | themill | you can fiddle with dpkg's config options to get apt to install stuff elsewhere, but maintainer scripts aren't going to work properly and you're going to have a lot of fun with ld paths etc |
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| 10:52.11 | bloops | themill: I was thinking of duplicating the whole unix file structure inside ~/.local |
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| 10:52.34 | ampharos | I'm experiencing GPU hangs with an Intel 845G |
| 10:52.41 | bloops | themill: then maybe fix the ld paths etc. to point to that copy of the filesystem |
| 10:53.17 | ampharos | People can reproduce it, but only on login: I can login and use the PC fine, but anything CPU and RAM intensive causes the display to lock up; I can enter VTs and mouse the cursor though |
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| 10:53.32 | Caelum | bloops: might be easier to use a VM like user-mode-linux too |
| 10:53.43 | ampharos | It's easier to reproduce on a live CD as well; I can't even start terminals on a live CD |
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| 10:54.34 | bloops | what do you think about the pitfalls a non-root apt system would have? |
| 10:55.06 | ampharos | I'm running Debian 6 with 256 MB RAM, 20 GB Debian partition, 400 MB swap, 2.4 Ghz P4 Celeron, and of course, the 845GVSR |
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| 10:55.27 | bloops | it should be easy to say: look for all the .so files in this folder |
| 10:55.49 | ampharos | This is the AGP-less edition for the mainboard, so I can't add in a Radeon or something |
| 10:55.50 | bloops | and I wouldn't be compiling anything to |
| 10:56.03 | Caelum | ampharos: you can get a PCI video card |
| 10:56.27 | Caelum | bloops: the hardest thing will be to get the preinst/postinst/etc. scripts to "work" |
| 10:56.45 | bloops | Caelum: I see |
| 10:56.52 | ampharos | and the fact you can create a malicious repo with a malicious package if you give enough apt privledges |
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| 11:00.30 | ampharos | Besides, most PCI video cards are nvidia.... ugh. |
| 11:00.44 | ampharos | ...would upgrading the kernel help any? |
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| 11:11.41 | bloops | Caelum: how about a solution like renaming all the filepaths in the scripts? would there still be loose ends? |
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| 11:18.46 | aminpy | how can I list packages with flag? |
| 11:19.04 | aminpy | like flag i |
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| 11:19.21 | aminpy | how can I search packages with flag like i? |
| 11:20.23 | kandinski | I am trying to run Sublime Text on Squeeze, and I get this warning: "libgio version is less than 2.26, single instance support disabled". How can I upgrade libgio? |
| 11:20.31 | Bushmills | aminpy: dpkg -l |
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| 11:21.07 | aminpy | Bushmills, now how can I search them with c flag? |
| 11:22.08 | Bushmills | aptitude search ... gives better search options. check the ~ prefix |
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| 11:23.30 | Bushmills | alternatively, grep the dpkg -l output |
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| 11:26.43 | GirlyGirl | Hi is it possble to get Gnome 3.2 on debian? |
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| 11:27.45 | dudz_ | i've installed debian 5.0.2.1 and have the linux kernel version installed that came with that, 2.6.32-5-amd64, if i wanted to go back to a previous kernel version, would this cause me dependency problems perhaps or should it be fine ? |
| 11:27.53 | dudz_ | *6.0.2.1 |
| 11:28.31 | babilen | !tell GirlyGirl about gnome3 |
| 11:29.20 | Caelum | bloops: would make more sense to make wrapper scripts for things called from those scripts |
| 11:29.24 | GirlyGirl | babilen: Thanks, I wanted it for testing reasons |
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| 11:30.25 | bloops | Caelum: Seems like a lot of work! Wonder why this hasnt been done before... :) |
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| 11:32.05 | dudz_ | how do i install an older kernel version, i am using the squeeze apt repositories atm, is it as simple as loading the lenny apt repositories and apt-get installing an older kernel from it ? |
| 11:33.15 | dTal | Has anyone sucessfully installed debian on an Intel FakeRAID that already had Windows on it without destroying Windows? I did it with Ubuntu, but for some reason Ubuntu was extremely shaky with the disk and routinely corrupted both files written to the windows parition and itself, to the point where the installation is now unrecoverable. I'd like to install debian instead, but it's extremely important that Windows be preserved or I'll be facing a firing squad. |
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| 11:33.38 | dTal | I'm sure it's just fine, but I'd really like to make sure someone's actually done it first. |
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| 11:34.32 | dTal | Also, at the moment, grub can boot windows. Can I back up its current configuration somehow, in case it doesn't autodetect the windows the second time around? |
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| 11:35.48 | dudz_ | grub is in your /boot partition |
| 11:35.57 | dudz_ | just backup the /boot somewhere |
| 11:36.25 | dudz_ | and then restore it and re-install grub and install it to the mbr using the documentation available for that |
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| 11:38.22 | dTal | I'm not sure I had a seperate /boot partition, and I was worried it might be an embedded configuration. |
| 11:38.41 | dTal | (Ubuntu is completely unbootable now) |
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| 11:40.09 | Slydder | hey all. I have an NFS share mounted and need to sync it with a local directory automatically. I would like to forgo a cron solution because of the rsync overhead. better would be something like lsyncd that actually works with nfs mounts. any ideas? |
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| 11:56.00 | dTal | Slydder: I had a bit of a google for you and found this: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/March2001/article199.shtml |
| 11:56.12 | jelly | Slydder: rsync considers nfs mountpoint as local. It doesn't do incremental updates, but copies the whole file when it detects a change. |
| 11:56.12 | dTal | there doesn't seem to be whole lot out there though, oddly |
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| 11:56.58 | dTal | hmm, does fam even work with nfs? |
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| 11:57.45 | dTal | Actually I'm not sure if it's even possible with NFS. The client doesn't recieve any sort of notification when a file is changed on the server - imagine the overhead! So you'd have to keep polling it. |
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| 11:59.12 | colo-work | that's true. inotify doesn't work for nfs exports, for instance. |
| 11:59.17 | colo-work | you'll have to resort to polling |
| 11:59.44 | antgel | question about experimental... ;) want to install linux-headers-3.1.0-rc7-686-pae but "linux-headers-3.1.0-rc7-686-pae depends on linux-kbuild-3.1.0 [UNAVAILABLE]". linux-kbuild-3.1.0 doesn't exist in unstable either (obviously). so to whom is the linux-headers-3.1.0-rc7-686-pae in experimental useful, as it's uninstallable? is this a mistake, or is it a case of "it's experimental so you have no grounds to complain" |
| 12:02.36 | dTal | Unless you can run something server-side that can catch inotify events and forward them. |
| 12:04.43 | dTal | Of course, if you control the server completely the best way to do it would be to swap server and client. |
| 12:04.46 | Slydder | dTal: exactly the problem am currently not happy with the situation. |
| 12:04.55 | Slydder | lol |
| 12:05.08 | Slydder | this is a arm based nas that I have to work with here. |
| 12:05.26 | Slydder | doubt seriously that inotify is even active in the kernel |
| 12:05.31 | dTal | Ah. What NFS version? |
| 12:05.35 | Slydder | 3 |
| 12:06.53 | dTal | If all you have is NFS then polling is the only way. |
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| 12:07.19 | dTal | NFS is quite basic in many ways. |
| 12:07.36 | Slydder | never done any nfs polling. |
| 12:07.46 | Slydder | will take a look and see what I can find. |
| 12:07.51 | dTal | No, ordinary polling. |
| 12:07.57 | dTal | The NFS is transparent. |
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| 12:08.07 | dTal | You just don't get kernel notifications. |
| 12:08.50 | dTal | So rsync and cron is sort of it. |
| 12:09.23 | Slydder | yeah. very promising |
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| 12:17.54 | jelly | Slydder: I'd put a rsync server on the nas instead of nfs if possible and compare the performance |
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| 12:19.41 | masterkorp | hello, is debian php ready for php-fpm ? |
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| 12:24.12 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know why a rsync could freeze? |
| 12:24.51 | _Christophe_ | I've got a rsync process stucked at 0% and never progress... |
| 12:26.18 | dTal | bad recursion? what;s the memory use like? |
| 12:27.08 | oldirty | also flat directories with huge numbers of files |
| 12:27.11 | dTal | I had an rsync fill up the disk once with a preposterous number of files by trying to back up an entire hard drive to itself |
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| 12:27.22 | oldirty | dTal: nice! |
| 12:27.35 | oldirty | i always seem to forget to exclude bind mounts... ;| |
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| 12:28.29 | dTal | it'd be nice if rsync came with a switch that meant "don't do anything stupid" |
| 12:29.16 | CaptainKnots | yeah, like --no-dub |
| 12:29.19 | CaptainKnots | dumb* |
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| 12:29.28 | CaptainKnots | hate keys sticking |
| 12:29.29 | CaptainKnots | ugh |
| 12:29.44 | Slydder | jelly: if there is even a rsync server package available for the box. and I am NOT compiling on that thing. I compiled gluster on it and it took forever. like the old days compiling on a 8088 or 286 |
| 12:29.54 | _Christophe_ | humm |
| 12:30.32 | jelly | Slydder: compile in qemu! :-D |
| 12:30.49 | Slydder | qemu have armtel support? |
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| 12:31.24 | _Christophe_ | What do you think about bad recursion dTal? |
| 12:31.54 | jelly | ,file bin/qemu-system-arm |
| 12:31.58 | judd | Search for bin/qemu-system-arm in squeeze/i386: qemu-system: usr/bin/qemu-system-arm |
| 12:32.42 | dTal | _Christophe_: I can tell this is a two-man joke but I can't figure out what I'm supposed to say |
| 12:32.51 | dTal | something recursive |
| 12:33.05 | antgel | question about experimental... ;) want to install linux-headers-3.1.0-rc7-686-pae but "linux-headers-3.1.0-rc7-686-pae depends on linux-kbuild-3.1.0 [UNAVAILABLE]". linux-kbuild-3.1.0 doesn't exist in unstable either (obviously). so to whom is the linux-headers-3.1.0-rc7-686-pae in experimental useful, as it's uninstallable? is this a mistake, or is it a case of "it's experimental so you have no grounds to complain" |
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| 12:33.48 | dTal | Slydder: just because glusterFS was a pain to compile doesn't mean rsync will be |
| 12:33.57 | dTal | rsync os probably smaller |
| 12:34.00 | dTal | *is |
| 12:34.13 | dTal | and the bottleneck is ram, not cpu |
| 12:34.48 | dTal | c is generally much easier than c++ to compile embedded |
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| 12:35.31 | oldirty | Slydder: as dTal says. The rsync codebase is only about 700Kb, I believe. |
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| 12:35.44 | Slydder | wait a sec. can't do that anyway. the whole reason behind the nfs mount was so that the content could be made readily available to another container in case a box dies. a matter of mounting the nfs share only. |
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| 12:36.48 | Slydder | there is are a few different servers pulling from differing directories in this share. |
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| 12:38.04 | dTal | if you control the clients, you could potentiall set up something a bit more complex where the clients track their own changes to the share and document them in a single file, which is polled constantly |
| 12:38.42 | jelly | keep nfs. I'm suggesting rsync server because IME it's much faster to sync changes over rsync than to run rsync on an nfs mount |
| 12:38.50 | Slydder | yeah would be nice except I have developers here that push changes to templates and such per ftp |
| 12:39.48 | mah454 | Stive Jobs Dead ?! |
| 12:39.49 | Slydder | jelly: there you are correct except when you can target specific files/directories inside the share. then it goes quite quick. the problem is by file deletions in the share. |
| 12:40.33 | Slydder | if the file is deleted you have to tell rsync to sync the directory with the delete option. and god forbid should the directory be large. |
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| 12:41.08 | jelly | if you want to keep the tree synced to have to use --delete the whole time anyway |
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| 12:41.19 | Slydder | I need a way to safely and quickly poll a directory on the share. |
| 12:41.26 | Slydder | true |
| 12:41.57 | Slydder | but it's not a problem as long as you are syncing on a file level instead of a directory level. |
| 12:41.58 | jelly | I'm guess GlusterFS didn't turn out well for you or? |
| 12:42.15 | dTal | Is there only one machine that needs to replicate the NFS locally, or all of them? |
| 12:42.32 | Slydder | to much for the arm box. could only get 2 mirrors going to match 2 servers. but I have about 20 that I have to get running. |
| 12:42.47 | Slydder | dTal: ca. 20 atm |
| 12:42.54 | dTal | Hrm. |
| 12:43.06 | jelly | get a stronger box, eh. like... an Atom :-) |
| 12:43.11 | Slydder | lol |
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| 12:43.16 | dTal | My intuition is that the the best way is still to run an NFS *client* on the NAS and servers on each of your machines |
| 12:43.23 | Slydder | I have this and have to deal with it till at least next year |
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| 12:46.06 | dTal | Then, every time the master copy is changed on the NAS, you can use an inotify-based thingy to propagate it to all the other machines easily |
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| 12:47.15 | abrotman | gnarface: i disagree .. but perhaps i'm more patient |
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| 12:48.07 | masterkorp | what happened to php5-fpm package ? |
| 12:48.43 | Slydder | masterkorp: I use the one in dotdeb.org |
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| 12:50.28 | masterkorp | Slydder: hmm can i ask why is not on the repos ? |
| 12:51.52 | Slydder | just a sec let me check to be sure |
| 12:52.21 | Slydder | php5-fpm_5.3.6-6~dotdeb.1_i386.deb is the one I have |
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| 12:55.29 | masterkorp | yeah but since php-fpm is buil-in in php 5.3 now |
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| 12:59.53 | bambanx | guys i wanna install debian for 32 its , in the web are a lot of cds, anyone can link me the correct pls |
| 13:00.30 | bambanx | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso.torrent this is? |
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| 13:00.46 | filePeter | bambanx: No. amd64 is 64bit! |
| 13:01.05 | bluenemo | what is the main debian channel, this one or the one on OFTC? |
| 13:01.09 | bambanx | but this is multiarch |
| 13:01.10 | filePeter | bambanx: Iâd recommend you get the netinst-cd |
| 13:01.14 | bluenemo | rofl filePeter :D |
| 13:01.42 | bambanx | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 13:01.45 | bambanx | i386 |
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| 13:02.00 | filePeter | bambanx, bluenemo: haha, lol. Yeah next time Iâd recommend reading to myself⦠;-p |
| 13:02.07 | GirlyGirl | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7.2.php Is KDE SC 4.7.2 available for debian ... if so where can I get packages |
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| 13:02.42 | bambanx | well this work for 32 ?debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 13:03.17 | filePeter | bambanx: Well, yeah. i386 is 32bit and amd64 is 64bit as meantioned already⦠;-) |
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| 13:03.58 | babilen | GirlyGirl: No (not and never in stable and not yet in unstable) |
| 13:03.59 | NickMind | sorry for the noob question. But i'm trying to understand the use of /dev/console? |
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| 13:04.40 | GirlyGirl | babilen: Around how much time should it take to reach unstable |
| 13:04.44 | Slydder | NickMind: your looking at it |
| 13:05.48 | babilen | GirlyGirl: It appears as if that version has been released yesterday, so it might take some time. I am not affiliated with the pkg-kde team and am not aware of their plans. See http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ , their mailing lists and #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) for further details. |
| 13:05.48 | NickMind | Slydder: i want to send message to something what would message all terminals on a system. |
| 13:06.02 | Slydder | NickMind: see wall |
| 13:06.11 | Slydder | man wall even |
| 13:06.29 | NickMind | the web tells me to use /dev/console |
| 13:06.42 | NickMind | Slydder: willdo |
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| 13:07.25 | Slydder | NickMind: who are you going to listen to? the net or me? I say wall. the net says see /dev/console. I win. ;) |
| 13:07.53 | NickMind | Slydder: i wrote that before i got your message |
| 13:07.55 | NickMind | :) |
| 13:08.31 | NickMind | altough I have to say i really would like to understand the use of /dev/console/ |
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| 13:08.45 | NickMind | google is just confusing me more. |
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| 13:11.55 | NickMind | ok here is underline question. If i send something to /dev/console where does it go, in debian 6? |
| 13:12.18 | Slydder | cool. just found a possible solution similar to inotify only in userspace |
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| 13:12.32 | bluenemo | do cat /dev/console and type sth |
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| 13:13.04 | Caelum | does the debian XSF have an irc channel? |
| 13:13.25 | bluenemo | searchirc.com |
| 13:13.50 | ezprezo | Hey guys... I'm having a world up trouble getting my network printer set up in Debian. I have system-config-printer up and running. (CUPS installed) and I go to "New printer" and go to "Find network printer" It asks me for a host, and I don't know what that means. I tried the name of the computer, I tried the network name, and I tried the IP of the computer and printer. |
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| 13:13.54 | ezprezo | I've searched forum upon forum too, and nobody says a single thing about what needs to go into the "host" box. |
| 13:14.09 | NickMind | bluenemo: nothing but weird chars. |
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| 13:14.18 | NickMind | i reall cant type sth |
| 13:14.27 | Slydder | NickMind: of course. it is a computer after all. binary |
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| 13:14.39 | Slydder | sth=something |
| 13:14.45 | NickMind | lol |
| 13:14.50 | bluenemo | when you type sth, you get sth back.. thats what i know so far :) |
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| 13:16.36 | NickMind | when i don't get back anything. Does /dev/console point to something in debian? |
| 13:17.24 | NickMind | even when i send a message to /dev/console, with cat /dev/console runiing an a different terminal i don't get the message |
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| 13:19.36 | Slydder | NickMind: have your ever read RUTE? |
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| 13:20.00 | hroi | hi |
| 13:20.34 | hroi | I am trying to run a program remotely as ssh -X guest@mymachine "myprog.py" |
| 13:20.58 | hroi | i keep getting "bash: myprog.py: command not found" |
| 13:21.13 | Slydder | hroi: you have to give the absolute path |
| 13:21.30 | hroi | however, if I log in and run it on the shell it works... its in the path set in .bashrc |
| 13:21.56 | Slydder | but you aren't getting that environement when ssh executes it. |
| 13:21.59 | hroi | Slydder: its as if the .bashrc dont get exectued then, why |
| 13:22.06 | hroi | oh |
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| 13:23.35 | hroi | Slydder: do I have to source the bashrc first? there are other things like python library paths. |
| 13:24.02 | hroi | is there a setting in ssh that deals with this? |
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| 13:25.53 | Slydder | hroi: try ssh -X user@host "bash -c myprog.py" |
| 13:25.59 | Slydder | might work for you |
| 13:26.17 | Slydder | or with -ic |
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| 13:27.04 | hroi | Slydder: nope, same errors |
| 13:27.10 | Slydder | the "i" will for bash into interactive mode which usually is what's required for .bashrc inclusion |
| 13:27.54 | hroi | Slydder: in that example it says "cannot set terminal process group (-1): Invalid argument" |
| 13:28.09 | hroi | Slydder: and I have to kill the process |
| 13:28.54 | hroi | Slydder: I have other servers that dont have this problem, it must be a setting in the ssh daemon |
| 13:29.03 | hroi | Slydder: some sort of security maybe |
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| 13:32.18 | Slydder | try sourcing it in .bash_login or .profile |
| 13:35.33 | Slydder | hroi: or you could just do ssh -X user@host ". ~/.bashrc ; myprog.py" |
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| 13:38.28 | Slydder | yeah that with ". ~/bashrc ; myprog.py" works like a charm |
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| 13:43.37 | Slydder | hroi: and make sure you are killing bashrc execution because of a PS check |
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| 13:45.38 | systemclient | I have a bunch of packages that form a depenency tree. I would like to build them in pbuilder, but it complains (while building B) that A is not installed. How can I install my freshly build A into the pbuilder for B to use? |
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| 13:51.20 | Iridos | systemclient, you have to define a local mirror in .pbuilderrc then run --update to have it incorporated |
| 13:51.44 | Iridos | systemclient, http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks |
| 13:51.47 | systemclient | Iridos: okay, thanks |
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| 13:53.30 | Iridos | systemclient, it was a bit annoying when I tried it the way it was described... can't remember if I got it to run. I wish there was some simple _quick_ way to test if the configuration one gives really successfully does that... if you run into troubles and work them out, please update the wiki |
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| 13:54.00 | systemclient | well, I think I will just wait for the new->sid migration and build it the regular way in a couple days. |
| 13:54.05 | Iridos | systemclient, hmm, actually I think the page has been edited since I last looked at it |
| 13:54.07 | systemclient | thanks for the tutorial though |
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| 14:00.06 | hroi | Slydder: I found a solution, uncomment the first line in the .bashrc |
| 14:00.23 | hroi | Slydder: there is a nonsensical line there that stops the .bashrc to execute when the shell is not interactive |
| 14:00.40 | hroi | Slydder: I uncommented [ -z "$PS1" ] && return |
| 14:01.03 | Slydder | exactly what I said above. ;) |
| 14:01.09 | hroi | Slydder: assuming that $PS1 is empty in non-interactive shells |
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| 14:01.32 | Slydder | (03:43:37 PM) Slydder: hroi: and make sure you are killing bashrc execution because of a PS check |
| 14:01.43 | hroi | Slydder: oh, I didnt understand you were talking about that |
| 14:01.49 | Slydder | np |
| 14:01.50 | hroi | line |
| 14:01.53 | jelly | Slydder: /usr/bin/qemu-system-arm -cpu '?' lists a number of CPUs, ARM v9 and above it seems. Not sure what armtel is. |
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| 14:02.09 | Slydder | jelly: am going to try and go with fam |
| 14:02.18 | jelly | good luck |
| 14:02.48 | Slydder | there is more documentation available for fam/nfs mounts than any other option except for the cron path |
| 14:02.57 | Slydder | and I ain't settin foot on that path |
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| 14:10.26 | da13371 | I did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", then rebooted. It did not reboot into the new kernel, instead booting into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. I checked /boot/grub/menu.lst and found that while normal and single user options for linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 were 0 and 1 at the bottom of the file "default 2" was still there, explaining why it went into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. I edited the file manually |
| 14:10.27 | da13371 | to "default 0", but I failed to "grub-update"grub update after making changes to menu.lst - with kvm access, how to fix system that failed to boot? |
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| 14:11.26 | da13371 | I did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", then rebooted. It did not reboot into the new kernel, instead booting into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. I checked /boot/grub/menu.lst and found that while normal and single user options for linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 were 0 and 1 at the bottom of the file "default 2" was still there, explaining why it went into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. I edited the file manually |
| 14:11.26 | da13371 | to "default 0", but I failed to "grub-update" after making the change to menu.lst. Now the system is trying to boot into linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, but init fails and root filesystem isnt found. how to fix system? |
| 14:11.42 | da13371 | sorry for spam sent first block before i had it edited by accident |
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| 14:12.45 | da13371 | if i select "2.6.19-rc1-1-486" in the grub menu, will that one still work? |
| 14:13.14 | petemc | on sure way to find out.. |
| 14:13.16 | petemc | one |
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| 14:17.08 | rikr | hello |
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| 14:17.35 | aussa | hi, can I install virtualbox on debian wheezy? |
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| 14:19.11 | flypp | aussa, of course |
| 14:19.13 | sephii | aussa: yes you can |
| 14:19.18 | flypp | aptitude search virtualbox |
| 14:19.28 | aussa | the last version? |
| 14:19.40 | rikr | one nice version |
| 14:19.47 | flypp | xD |
| 14:19.55 | Vib3 | somiaj: where i can get ati 11.6 deb packages for debian? |
| 14:20.03 | Bushmills | aussa: it is possible. whether you can you alone can find out |
| 14:20.25 | sephii | suppose I have a directory with 3 files and a folder "foo" and a folder "bar". I want to copy all the files and the folder bar in foo, how can I do that easily? I can do cp -r * foo but this generates me a warning |
| 14:20.40 | sephii | so I'm wondering if there's a clean way to do that |
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| 14:22.06 | aussa | Bushmills: the way I installed it on squeeze was by adding its repo on the sources list and the updating the apt, I can't do that on wheezy, I think the repo does not exist |
| 14:23.14 | aussa | this deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free but changing squeeze for wheezy |
| 14:23.28 | Bushmills | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 14:23.30 | judd | Package: virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.4-dfsg-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.2-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.1.2-dfsg-1 |
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| 14:24.01 | Bushmills | ,versions virtualbox |
| 14:24.01 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.1.2-dfsg-1+b2; wheezy: 4.1.2-dfsg-1+b2 |
| 14:24.23 | Bushmills | hm |
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| 14:24.40 | schorem | exit |
| 14:24.45 | dvs | !exit |
| 14:24.45 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
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| 14:27.39 | hroi | hi |
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| 14:28.03 | hroi | I cant find the programs xpra in aptitude search, is it not available for debian? |
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| 14:29.03 | rikr | hroi: hi |
| 14:29.14 | Bushmills | sid only |
| 14:29.21 | Bushmills | ,versions xpra |
| 14:29.21 | judd | Package: xpra on i386 -- wheezy: 0.0.7.25+dfsg-1; sid: 0.0.7.27+dfsg-1 |
| 14:29.29 | Bushmills | oh, made it to wheezy already |
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| 14:30.55 | hroi | right, i have x86_64 |
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| 14:31.17 | hroi | those version numers are low |
| 14:31.17 | Bushmills | shouldn't matter |
| 14:31.39 | hroi | how do I get aptitude search to look into wheezy |
| 14:31.44 | hroi | can i do it on the fly |
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| 14:32.06 | Bushmills | not a great idea, if your're running squeeze now |
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| 14:32.56 | asdjaputra | nice |
| 14:33.07 | hroi | Bushmills: xpra shouldnt have many odd dependencies |
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| 14:33.16 | themill | it's entirely backportable, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 14:33.30 | asdjaputra | just a bogus hacker group promotion in horrible formatting |
| 14:33.37 | asdjaputra | were ever :D |
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| 14:34.51 | hroi | I better just get that tarball |
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| 14:35.03 | dimir | Nice spamming. |
| 14:36.00 | asdjaputra | #d should have a floodbot |
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| 14:38.56 | tvm | so 90's. |
| 14:40.09 | loxley | pung is an ancient swedish word for the lower part of a mans genitals, wonder where they got that from |
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| 14:43.30 | Vib3 | hi |
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| 14:43.44 | Vib3 | does someone have debian working with ati 11.6 drivers? |
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| 14:47.24 | orangey | hello all! |
| 14:47.36 | orangey | where can I get some expert help on procmailing? |
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| 14:48.28 | asdjaputra | where ever you can find one |
| 14:49.02 | orangey | I figured as much |
| 14:49.09 | asdjaputra | if someone here have some experience with procmail, you may ask your question |
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| 14:50.04 | orangey | The essence is that I get my work emails forwarded from work to my home account, and they come, sadly, as attachments (EML?). I'm trying to make a rule that strips the container and leaves just the forwarded email so that it looks like it came right to my account |
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| 14:50.56 | saivnoba | hi, I'm on squeeze with gnome 2.30.2 (installed from cd-1 with default options). I don't find 'suspend' button. Even in power management GUI I don't have suspend/hibernate options. what is wrong? |
| 14:51.53 | orangey | saivnoba: strange. the suspend button is even default. |
| 14:51.59 | orangey | oh wait. 2.3, not 3.2 |
| 14:52.07 | orangey | sorry |
| 14:52.15 | rikr | aha, gnome 3 |
| 14:52.25 | rikr | this is other thing |
| 14:52.29 | asdjaputra | unless, your computer doesn't have enough RAM to do so |
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| 14:52.52 | saivnoba | I'm on gnome 2.30.2 (stable release). I have 2G RAM. |
| 14:53.24 | saivnoba | suspend works perfectly on other distros I have. |
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| 14:53.45 | saivnoba | here i can't even find the button or option in gui. |
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| 14:55.02 | fasta | Does anyone know whether I can tell Thunderbird to not display me certain information in emails I receive (e.g. a regex)? |
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| 14:56.48 | orangey | fasta: like what? |
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| 14:58.08 | fasta | orangey: like the same stuff that gmail filters out (e.g. mailing list headers and footers). |
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| 14:58.38 | orangey | I didn't think thunderbird showed them. it has a minimal headers view, no? |
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| 15:00.15 | fasta | orangey: not the headers. I mean text mentioning from which mailing list some message came. |
| 15:00.16 | NodeX | guys what's the chmod to allow group read/write to a file |
| 15:00.26 | NodeX | user is in the group |
| 15:00.38 | orangey | chmod g+wr |
| 15:00.59 | orangey | fasta: Give me an example so I can understand what you're trying to do |
| 15:01.20 | orangey | I wonder if we have different ideas of what the words "header" and "filter" mean |
| 15:01.45 | NodeX | ty ty |
| 15:02.07 | saivnoba | fasta: View->Headers->Normal |
| 15:02.08 | orangey | p.s., here's a sample message that I'm trying to procmail: http://pastebin.com/jMCxexR7 |
| 15:02.10 | NodeX | is that recursive ? |
| 15:02.17 | orangey | chmod g+wr -R |
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| 15:03.00 | fasta | orangey: If you are a member of a mailing list, it says "foo mailing list"<newline>email@foobar.com<newline>URL of email archive in every email sent. |
| 15:03.29 | fasta | orangey: so, it is part of the actual contents of the mail, not its envelope. |
| 15:03.46 | fasta | Google like uses some machine learning to filter out that stuff. |
| 15:03.59 | fasta | Or rather 'hide' it, which for a user is the same thing. |
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| 15:06.19 | fasta | likely* |
| 15:06.22 | orangey | fasta: within the message body? |
| 15:06.35 | fasta | orangey: yes |
| 15:06.40 | orangey | paste an example on pastebin.com |
| 15:07.02 | orangey | that's really inappropriate behaviour on the part of your mailing list. All that business should happen in headers |
| 15:07.07 | orangey | as X-List-Id and so on |
| 15:07.36 | fasta | orangey: example: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-June/079046.html |
| 15:07.50 | fasta | orangey: tons of mailing lists operate like that. |
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| 15:08.29 | orangey | this mailing list uses mailman |
| 15:08.39 | orangey | which means that it uses headers, not body |
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| 15:08.52 | fasta | orangey: so, what adds these headers then? |
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| 15:09.14 | fasta | orangey: why do they end up in my email when I display them? |
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| 15:09.31 | themill | t'bird has options on what headers it should display to you |
| 15:09.44 | orangey | fasta: To be honest, it's impossible at the moment to know what your question is, since you're having trouble articulating it using the common language |
| 15:10.16 | orangey | fasta: probably the best way forward is to paste a sample message source and a screenshot to illustrate your point |
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| 15:10.41 | orangey | themill: He's claiming in his pasted examples that it's in body |
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| 15:12.43 | fasta | orangey: if I do 'show source', I see in the last 4 lines the undesirable lines. They are also in the headers. |
| 15:12.57 | orangey | fasta: as above, paste and screenshot please |
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| 15:13.41 | orangey | fasta: Otherwise, you're gonna have to sharpen your communications to clearly state the problem using terms we understand |
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| 15:14.34 | fasta | orangey: I displayed the message source. I see a bunch of headers and then the message and at the end I see the 4 lines I talked about. |
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| 15:14.53 | fasta | orangey: isn't this just a user preference in mailman? |
| 15:15.05 | fasta | orangey: or something the administrator configured? |
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| 15:16.32 | orangey | fasta: I'm going to say this only once more. Because of the repetition, it will be more clear and more blunt, which can be interpreted as hurtful. It is meant to be the opposite: I have no idea what you're talking about. You clearly can't express it with your words. Take the advice and do as told to help advance yourself with this problem. Paste the message source and post a screenshot, annotated is even better. |
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| 15:18.06 | fasta | orangey: I will say that everyone capable or reading English and has used a mailing list can understand me. Just that you cannot, shows that you have a problem with understanding people. |
| 15:18.36 | fasta | The message source sent by a Mailman instance clearly shows some stuff in the body. What's hard to understand about that? |
| 15:18.40 | orangey | fasta: Your problem is that I likely contain the information you are seeking |
| 15:18.55 | orangey | fasta: So if you want help, you're going to have to adjust a little bit. |
| 15:19.21 | fasta | I can see whether I can find something which is non-sensitive information. |
| 15:20.17 | orangey | you're talking headers, then talking about something at the bottom of a message (usually known as footer). Really, anybody who can understand what the heck you're asking deserves a gold star |
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| 15:21.22 | sephii | Is there a command that would allow me to copy something to another place even if the destination directory chain doesn't exist yet ? |
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| 15:24.09 | rikr | sephi, interesting |
| 15:24.28 | rikr | you can do a mkdir -p bedore |
| 15:24.30 | rikr | before |
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| 15:24.49 | fasta | orangey: I said two things. I said that in the headers some mailing list specific data is present and I said that at the bottom of the message (so below the content of the message in the Thunderbird display of the source) it shows the 4 lines of text containing the mailing list information. |
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| 15:28.27 | rhenani | hello guys trying i've always built firefox on my debian squeeze 6.0.2 and todaqy trying to update my firefox 6.0.1 to 7.0.1 |
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| 15:28.51 | themill | lucky you |
| 15:28.53 | rhenani | when i run make install (last step) i got this error: |
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| 15:29.46 | rhenani | http://paste.debian.net/134618/ |
| 15:30.12 | themill | rhenani: there are perfectly good iceweasel 7.0 packages for squeeze (/msg dpkg mozilla.debian.net). If you want to compile firefox, perhaps ask in #firefox. |
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| 15:39.18 | vladimp | ping |
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| 15:40.16 | abrotman | lots of people here .. |
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| 15:43.54 | mrozieres | Hi there, i am looking to know how it would be possible to tune the header banner of the 6.0.2 debian graphical installer. Can some give me an hint ? |
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| 15:45.19 | fatalerrors | hi |
| 15:46.31 | fatalerrors | i'm using sandy bridge on a debian squeeze, so i compiled a kernel (3.0.4) to support it as 2.6.32 from the sqeeze can't deal with it |
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| 15:47.32 | fatalerrors | everything seems to work but i have an error starting the X server: "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" |
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| 15:47.52 | rikr | try #X -config |
| 15:48.00 | rikr | but before, kill the x |
| 15:48.06 | fatalerrors | rikr: doing it |
| 15:48.20 | rikr | mmm |
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| 15:49.46 | fatalerrors | it's saying : "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices: Configuration failed" |
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| 15:51.25 | fatalerrors | rikr: any idea what's wrong ? maybe the intel driver is not up-to-date enough as well... |
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| 15:52.04 | lduros | is there any reason that my laptop batteries would start dying (now at 28% capacity) in a few months after switching to Debian, while it was always fine using Ubuntu/Trisquel? Just wondering if it has something to do with Debian, or just fate :-) |
| 15:52.09 | fatalerrors | maybe i forget something in my kernel configuration |
| 15:52.32 | petemc | lduros: batteries degrade after so many power cycles |
| 15:52.39 | abrotman | lduros: not likely .. batteries suck |
| 15:52.49 | petemc | or after none, if you keep it plugged in all the time |
| 15:53.04 | lduros | petemc abrotman: but why would it degrade only after I switch to debian |
| 15:53.14 | lduros | it was just the time i guess |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | i have a laptop, the cells seem to have just started dying |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | lduros: how old is the battery? |
| 15:53.40 | lduros | abrotman: 3 years old |
| 15:53.52 | petemc | you're lucky it lasted until now |
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| 15:54.37 | BlopX | hello everybody, i feel kind of stupid asking this question but here it goes: I just installed squeeze on my eeepc. Now after starting it I get to the text based login screen, so far everything is ok - but now i would like to get to the desktop and i have no clue what command line would do that (i tried several. none of which worked). What do I have to do? (I didn't found anything in the wiki either) |
| 15:54.37 | lduros | wouldn't ubuntu and debian handle battery management the same wya anyway? |
| 15:55.24 | fatalerrors | does anyone have an idea for my problem? i need to solve it today elsewhere my boss will kill me.... |
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| 15:55.38 | abrotman | lduros: despite popular belief .. debian and ubuntu are not the same |
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| 15:56.19 | da13371 | I did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", then rebooted. It did not reboot into the new kernel, instead booting into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. I checked /boot/grub/menu.lst and found that while normal and single user options for linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 were 0 and 1 at the bottom of the file "default 2" was still there, explaining why it went into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. I edited the file manually |
| 15:56.19 | da13371 | to "default 0", but I failed to "grub-update" after making the change to menu.lst. Now the system is trying to boot into linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, but init fails and root filesystem isnt found. how to fix system? |
| 15:56.22 | lduros | abrotman: ubuntu derives from debian to a certain extent though, that extent is not clear to me :-) |
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| 15:56.44 | abrotman | lduros: but they have their own patches, etc .. |
| 15:56.50 | lduros | abrotman: ok |
| 15:56.56 | abrotman | lduros: anyway .. you could try an ubuntu livecd |
| 15:57.29 | lduros | abrotman: yeh now there's also a message saying that my batteries are broken or old there too |
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| 15:57.35 | abrotman | lduros: i get that .. but windows agrees |
| 15:57.49 | lduros | abrotman: i don't have windows |
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| 15:59.01 | lduros | abrotman: in any case, just wanted to make sure. I'll buy a new laptop soon and so i don't want the batteries to die young :-P |
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| 15:59.06 | lduros | abrotman: thx |
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| 16:06.02 | mrozieres | i can't find/j #debianfr |
| 16:06.07 | mrozieres | ;) |
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| 16:06.27 | lluvia | how can I install programs in my home with apt-get or aptitude without having root permissions |
| 16:06.40 | spersaud | how do I resize my partitions, my / partition is 96% full |
| 16:06.45 | qwd | How do you make the 2 in H2O small and at the bottom? Like the opposite of H²O |
| 16:07.04 | qwd | (which you make by doing ^2, is it as easy to do the one at the bottom?) |
| 16:07.05 | PerfDave | qwd: In what? |
| 16:07.28 | qwd | PerfDave: Debian? ^2 seems to work everywhere. |
| 16:07.31 | qwd | Gnome? |
| 16:07.45 | PerfDave | ^2 doesn't work here ;) |
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| 16:08.32 | qwd | PerfDave: Oh it does for me. Well, let's say in Gedit then. |
| 16:08.32 | themill | qwd: <compose> _ 2 wfm. |
| 16:08.36 | spersaud | how do I remove all dependencies of a packages, ie postgresql ? I will be switching to app engine |
| 16:08.47 | qwd | themill: Thanks! |
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| 16:08.56 | Iridos | lluvia, you can't, they're not made for that. You can unpack packages and (possibly) use the binaries inside or you can have a complete system in a chroot that you can install things into... but that's all not the same |
| 16:09.33 | lluvia | so the only way is to download the sources and compile them? |
| 16:09.43 | lluvia | one by one |
| 16:10.14 | lluvia | (thinking on dependencies) |
| 16:10.24 | spersaud | !purge |
| 16:10.25 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 16:10.35 | Iridos | themill, you made that up! there is no character for that and compose _2 doesn't do anything for me |
| 16:10.53 | themill | orly â |
| 16:11.01 | Iridos | lluvia, as I said, you can unpack the packages and try to use the binary inside... |
| 16:11.15 | Iridos | â² |
| 16:11.19 | Iridos | grmp |
| 16:11.22 | Iridos | â |
| 16:11.23 | Iridos | oh |
| 16:11.26 | Iridos | now I can write it, too |
| 16:11.28 | lluvia | Iridos, what about config files? |
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| 16:11.54 | ksuhku | uhm, which key is <compose> |
| 16:12.09 | Iridos | lluvia, well, difficult... some might be a file in the package, but some are modified by the install scripts |
| 16:12.16 | Iridos | !tell ksuhku -about compose |
| 16:12.23 | Iridos | !tell ksuhku -about compose key |
| 16:12.25 | Iridos | oops |
| 16:12.53 | Iridos | themill, and actually the factoid doesn't mention how to permanently configure the compose key and I seem to have forgotten how to do it |
| 16:12.57 | Iridos | (hint, hint) |
| 16:13.00 | ksuhku | thanks mate Iridos |
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| 16:13.32 | lluvia | Iridos: how I download the packages with the binnaries? |
| 16:13.56 | themill | Iridos: most people would configure that from their X start up scripts or from their DE's config options. |
| 16:14.12 | Iridos | hmm |
| 16:14.19 | Iridos | I might of done dat |
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| 16:15.56 | Iridos | themill, you're right... changed it in some silly gnome menu! No wonder I have no recollection whatsoever |
| 16:16.55 | vladimp | just tried building from source 4 the 1st time. Want acpi-fakekey which doesn't have a binary pkg for powerpc. pkg search on pkg.deb.org say to get source for acpi-support to build acpi-fakekey. Did that and ran debuild, but only got debs for acpi-support and -base, no -fakekey. Anybody know why that is so? |
| 16:17.39 | Iridos | ksuhku, if there are any gnomes on your system, then system->keyboard preferences->Layouts->compose key position |
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| 16:18.04 | ksuhku | Iridos, thanks, I noticed that a second ago! :) |
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| 16:20.21 | Iridos | ksuhku, "sooo obvious" |
| 16:20.36 | ksuhku | :) |
| 16:20.37 | Iridos | I thought there's actually a way to configure that in xorg.conf |
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| 16:21.58 | spersaud | why does debian use up 6 gb ? how do I unmount and resize partitions ? |
| 16:22.14 | spersaud | or if someone has a ssd they can send me that will be great |
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| 16:28.25 | cosmos2 | Hello |
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| 16:28.51 | cosmos2 | I get a but with Yaboot on a powerbook install (debian squeeze ppc) |
| 16:29.16 | cosmos2 | First time it was ok with: boot hd:,yaboot |
| 16:29.22 | ksuhku | spersaud, you could e.g. boot off a live cd to be able to unmount your root |
| 16:29.23 | jason_ | oh wow. PPC talk? |
| 16:29.31 | jason_ | cosmos2: are you installing this locally or in a terminal server? |
| 16:29.38 | cosmos2 | but I tryied to reinstall for diverses reasons and now it fails |
| 16:29.56 | jason_ | cosmos2: I tried to install debian PPC the other day and it failed due to yaboot. |
| 16:30.07 | peterrooney | cosmos2: there is also #debianppc |
| 16:30.08 | jason_ | cosmos2: ironically, Ubuntu (which only has community PPC support) worked without a hitch. |
| 16:30.10 | spersaud | ksuhku: oh ok |
| 16:30.11 | cosmos2 | I place files on /, no cd?dvd, and netinstall |
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| 16:30.50 | cosmos2 | nocd?dvd |
| 16:30.54 | cosmos2 | nocd/dvd |
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| 16:31.32 | cosmos2 | so why the first time it was ok with exactly this command "boot hd:,yaboot" |
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| 16:31.46 | cosmos2 | and now it fails, with the same command? |
| 16:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | cosmos2: What does it do? |
| 16:32.03 | thewanderer1 | hi. I need to install Skype on Squeeze. what is the recommended way to do that? (preferably not much invasive) |
| 16:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | !skype |
| 16:32.24 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 16:32.49 | cosmos2 | It's supposed to boot from a msdos hhd + elementary files for a netinstall |
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| 16:34.50 | cosmos2 | I've installed these files directly on a preformated MSDOS internal hdd: |
| 16:34.50 | cosmos2 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ |
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| 16:35.01 | thewanderer1 | thanks for the pointer, jhutchins_lt |
| 16:35.08 | cosmos2 | First time:ok |
| 16:35.32 | ksuhku | spersaud, I use http://gparted.org/livecd.php for that |
| 16:35.33 | cosmos2 | Second time:not ok |
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| 16:36.19 | cosmos2 | So I suppose that is a bug in Yaboot, at least fotr the netboot install |
| 16:36.24 | cosmos2 | for |
| 16:36.31 | epifanio | hi All |
| 16:36.55 | epifanio | i'm tring to install gnome-shell .. i'm on a debian testing installed from the net-install cd |
| 16:36.56 | jhutchins_lt | cosmos2: If you're not going to tell us what it IS doing we're not going to be able to help you. |
| 16:37.29 | epifanio | i added the experimental repository in source.list .. but if i try to install gnome shell it give me : fix broken package firs |
| 16:37.33 | epifanio | *first |
| 16:37.44 | epifanio | have you any clue on how to fix the problem ? |
| 16:37.47 | epifanio | thanks! |
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| 16:40.19 | jhutchins_lt | epifanio: You probably shouldn't be messing with experimental. In fact, you should consider re-installing stable instead of testing until you understand the system better. |
| 16:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 16:40.35 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | !fr |
| 16:40.43 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 16:41.06 | epifanio | that's the error http://paste.debian.net/134636/ |
| 16:41.08 | jhutchins_lt | wanders off to do real world stuff. |
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| 16:41.29 | cosmos2 | So: I do, at open firmware prompt, a : "boot hd:,yaboot", and at yaboot prompt, I type "install", and I get: "install:-1,/vmlinux: Unable to open file, Invalid device" |
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| 16:45.27 | cosmos2 | I've also tryied with: "boot hd:1..." to "boot hd:17...", ond I get the same error only for "boot hd:1...", like on the command "boot hd:,yaboot". The other commands gives: "couldn't locate partition, cant open: hd:(numbers different than 0 or 1), yaboot" |
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| 16:54.08 | acu | hey guys is any new kernel release with 6.03 ? |
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| 16:59.53 | jhutchins_lt | acu: There's an update for Lenny. |
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| 17:01.25 | babilen | acu: http://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2011/10/msg00000.html |
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| 17:05.33 | acu | babilen: thanks it seem that we go from 2.6.32-5 to 2.6.32-37 what I did not get is that in the news announcement is stated as following " Debian "Squeeze" 6.0.3 will ship updated Linux kernel packages, including bug fixes from the Linux "longterm" series up to 2.6.32.46" http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110919 - so should I understand that those fixes from .46 where just applied to .37 ? |
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| 17:08.15 | babilen | yes |
| 17:08.34 | babilen | AFAIUI ;) |
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| 17:12.59 | acu | babilen: how can I know who takes care of debian website ? - I think is important to have a link for consultants visible on the front page - of course I have other sugestions |
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| 17:14.08 | babilen | acu: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Webmaster |
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| 17:15.16 | pocoyo | ,help |
| 17:15.16 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 17:16.01 | esaym153 | anyone have any issues updating Testing to the latest version of mdadm? |
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| 17:16.29 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 17:16.57 | kristian-aalborg | which terminal emulator should I use? I don't need anything advanced, but I want it to look good |
| 17:17.09 | valdyn | !default |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | If you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
| 17:17.12 | kristian-aalborg | I installed aterm, but just saw that it's unsupported as of 2008 |
| 17:17.49 | kristian-aalborg | xterm is default, but I find it very hard to configure properly |
| 17:17.52 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: what is wrong with that. I still use aterms here. But I think the best term is an xterm. I just like my pseudo transparency |
| 17:18.21 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, nothing really wrong with it - just wondered if I missed out on something |
| 17:18.27 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: whatever ships with your desktop environment or xterm |
| 17:18.40 | kristian-aalborg | valdyn, DE is ratpoison |
| 17:18.51 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: so xterm |
| 17:19.07 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: i use rxvt, unicode + pseudo transparency |
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| 17:20.31 | kristian-aalborg | I see that my belowed æøå's are missing |
| 17:20.35 | kristian-aalborg | in aterm that is |
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| 17:23.35 | Iridos | kristian-aalborg, need an unicode-wrapper around xterm... it's then called "uxterm" |
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| 17:25.27 | Iridos | although, looking at it, I'm a bit hazy on what it does that setting LC_CTYPE to the next something.UTF8 doesn't do as well |
| 17:25.57 | Iridos | probably the -u8 option |
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| 17:27.38 | RichiH | shouldn't postgresql-9.1 use alternatives to link from /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/pg_ctl to /usr/bin/pg_ctl? |
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| 17:29.20 | cosmos2 | any debian ppc users? |
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| 17:30.10 | cosmos2 | previous errors looks like yaboot cannot detect the right partition number |
| 17:30.28 | rhenani | trying to compile firefox 7.0.1 on debian i got an extrange error doing "make" comand |
| 17:30.39 | rhenani | http://paste.debian.net/134629/ |
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| 17:30.44 | rhenani | can someone helpme please? |
| 17:31.10 | cosmos2 | ...but I've tryied numbers from -1 to 17...and still I get errors |
| 17:31.33 | nkuttler | !tell cosmos2 about ppc |
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| 17:32.24 | Psychonaut | Is there a way to authenticate Apache2 at the local linux users without using NIS? |
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| 17:33.04 | petemc | Psychonaut: possibly with sasl |
| 17:33.14 | grepper | hi all. I set up my box as a gateway as I am getting VoIP, and its working (well , not VoIP yet) okay following this article: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23. But if I run the script I get: Bad argument `ppp0e' Seems to work fine though. |
| 17:33.21 | Psychonaut | petemc u think NIS is the best option? |
| 17:33.25 | grepper | is it an issue with ppp0e not yet being up when the script runs ? |
| 17:33.29 | petemc | Psychonaut: i dont use it |
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| 17:34.15 | bzrk | Psychonaut: mod_authnz_external does pam auth iirc |
| 17:34.29 | bzrk | otherwise google apache auth pam |
| 17:34.33 | grepper | if so what would the debian way of running the script 'after' ppp0e is running ? Right now its in up.d/ and run as post-up from interfaces file |
| 17:35.04 | Psychonaut | bzrk hmmmm, indeed... I saw something about PAM authentication. |
| 17:35.08 | somiaj | that seems just fine grepper |
| 17:35.24 | nkuttler | grepper: is the problem that the interface is up before the pppoe connection is made? |
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| 17:35.30 | bzrk | Psychonaut: yes local auth these days runs through pam |
| 17:35.55 | Psychonaut | [bzrk]: Nice. Thanks dude! I'll try to run this. =} |
| 17:35.59 | bzrk | yw |
| 17:36.03 | grepper | somiaj: could be that the iptables is run before the ppp0e interfaces is up, hence I get the error messages. Just an uneducated guess |
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| 17:36.31 | nkuttler | grepper: btw, ppp0e looks wrong, is that really the name of the interface? |
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| 17:36.53 | grepper | duh ! |
| 17:37.23 | grepper | I used 'ppp0e' cause of an answer gave in the thread I was reading, probably should be ppp0 :P |
| 17:37.50 | grepper | iptables seems to figure it out okay though somehow |
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| 17:40.56 | lrojas | hi all |
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| 17:41.35 | grepster | hm, now I get Bad argument `ppp0' |
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| 17:42.10 | lrojas | by mistake i executed a sudo app-get install pkg-name, but that packaged was previously installed... and i got pkg-name is already the newest version. pkg-name set to manually installed. |
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| 17:42.26 | lrojas | how can i fix that? |
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| 17:43.08 | o2T7 | Hello. Is there any chance to get a ks8995 pci ethernet hub working? |
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| 17:44.07 | o2T7 | I've seen some work on OpenWRT projects, but can't find anything Debian related. |
| 17:44.32 | nkuttler | grepster: well don't just guess interfaces names, see your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:44.44 | petemc | o2T7: if its supported by the linux kernel it should work in debian |
| 17:45.04 | o2T7 | hi petemc :) there's been a lot of time |
| 17:45.14 | petemc | hi :) |
| 17:45.25 | petemc | time marches ever onward |
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| 17:45.31 | o2T7 | the case is that lspci shows nothing |
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| 17:51.07 | binbinsh | how can I help, developer's corner is too long to read. |
| 17:51.19 | valdyn | binbinsh: you cant |
| 17:51.23 | binbinsh | why |
| 17:51.44 | valdyn | binbinsh: because if developer's corner is already to long to read, then there's no point |
| 17:52.03 | spersaud | i have multiple drives and sound juicer only wants to extract from one drive at a time |
| 17:52.12 | dondelelcaro | binbinsh: depends on what you want to do... but you really need to do some reading first |
| 17:53.00 | valdyn | spersaud: you could file a bug report, but then again sound juicer is probably mainly intended to be easy, not to be full featured |
| 17:53.29 | spersaud | valdyn: what is better ? cdrdao |
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| 17:53.38 | valdyn | spersaud: cdrdao is something else |
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| 17:53.44 | grepster | nkuttler: I wasn't 'guessing' |
| 17:53.49 | valdyn | spersaud: try jack |
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| 17:54.08 | spersaud | I need something that can get the names, thats the most important part as I build my audio library from my cds |
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| 17:55.03 | spersaud | valdyn: plus I get .flac for the audio quality |
| 17:55.09 | grepster | I'm aware of how to find an interface name. ppp0 is no better than ppp0e in the iptables script, even though that is the interface name shown by ifconfig |
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| 17:56.20 | grepster | oh well, guess I'll just live with the warnings/errors for now, since no one seems to know atm |
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| 17:56.30 | grepster | and it works okay |
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| 17:58.09 | binbinsh | dondelelcaro, I want to help make gnome 3.2 packages, but do not known how to start, could you give me some advice, thx. |
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| 17:58.58 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 17:58.58 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 18:00.14 | somiaj | binbinsh: that is quite a tast since gnome 3.2 is such a big collection of pacakges. I'd suggest starting with a simpiler task and learn how debian packages work if you aren't use to building them |
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| 18:25.30 | jamescarr | is there a way to install a deb and make it go get all the deps? |
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| 18:25.54 | PerfDave | jamescarr: Other than aptitude or apt-get? :) |
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| 18:26.11 | grepper | somiaj: got it working w/o error/warning messages by putting it in vi /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 18:26.22 | grepper | s/vi//g :P |
| 18:26.31 | jamescarr | yeah, the rabbitmq-server in the apt repo is too old for my blood |
| 18:26.50 | mike__ | excuse me, gentlemen. Having a wireless problem here. Ive looked at the page, this is not listed under unsupported...will this here use the ath5k driver? |
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| 18:26.56 | mike__ | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atheros-AR5416-AR5BDT92-PCI-e-Desktop-Wi-Fi-WLAN-Card-/180672279669?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a10e83475#ht_4426wt_762 |
| 18:26.57 | PerfDave | dpkg: sns? |
| 18:26.57 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 18:27.02 | mike__ | sorry for the long link :( |
| 18:28.26 | claw | what is the usage of "update-alternatives --config glx" its not working for me anyway... "nothing to configure" |
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| 18:29.20 | tvm | jamescarr: apt-get install gdebi |
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| 18:30.21 | tvm | jamescarr: i've used that app sometime ago for same task, although it's GTK dependent, it's able to install local .deb and fetch the rest |
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| 18:30.43 | tvm | but you can always just figure out deps and install them manually (based on the dpkg -i output) |
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| 18:31.38 | tvm | jamescarr: afaik, apt-get and dpkg cannot install local package and fetch remote dependencies simultaneously |
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| 18:37.55 | bambanx | Guy i have i7 with 6gigas RAM and 400 space how i should do the partitions? |
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| 18:38.42 | boudiccas | bambanx; i'm not a guy but i'll still answer you. 400 what? |
| 18:38.57 | bambanx | Hard disk |
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| 18:40.06 | RichiH | shouldn't postgresql-9.1 use alternatives to link from /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/pg_ctl to /usr/bin/pg_ctl? |
| 18:40.14 | Bushmills | bambanx: according your needs |
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| 18:41.00 | bambanx | well i use my for design programming games movies... |
| 18:41.04 | aminpy | how can I install postgresql-9 in debian squeeze? |
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| 18:41.38 | boudiccas | bambanx; then you possibly do not have enough h/d space |
| 18:41.58 | bambanx | what? |
| 18:42.08 | Bushmills | "hard disk" |
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| 18:42.32 | bambanx | my question is how much for swap ext3 .... |
| 18:42.57 | bambanx | my hard disk is of 400 gigas |
| 18:43.05 | bambanx | 6 on RAM |
| 18:43.19 | Bushmills | not too much. when your system needs swap frequently, upgrade RAM instead |
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| 18:44.42 | bambanx | how much swap? |
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| 18:45.06 | Bushmills | about as much as you need on top of your RAM |
| 18:45.11 | boudiccas | bambanx; however much you want to allocate |
| 18:45.24 | bambanx | i am beginner |
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| 18:45.45 | bambanx | And my english suck |
| 18:45.48 | Bushmills | do beginners have higher or lower swap needs? |
| 18:45.58 | bambanx | damn |
| 18:46.07 | bambanx | Ok forget |
| 18:46.47 | Bushmills | amount of swap space is fairly independent of degree of mastering a language |
| 18:46.52 | mike__ | just double the amount of your ram in mb was the old rule of thumb.... |
| 18:47.10 | ksuhku | sure sounds like overkill nowadays |
| 18:47.16 | mike__ | yeah |
| 18:47.24 | bambanx | thanks mike__ |
| 18:47.27 | mike__ | 500mb swap would do on any system |
| 18:47.35 | mike__ | if you ask me... |
| 18:47.36 | bambanx | and for ext3? |
| 18:47.51 | boudiccas | bambanx; have it all as ext3 |
| 18:48.06 | Bushmills | your usage pattern determines how much swap you need, not the used file system |
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| 18:48.29 | ksuhku | but what about hibernating? does the hibernator in kernel only use swap or can it use a file as well? |
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| 18:49.16 | ksuhku | bambanx, read up on block-size if you want to conserve space |
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| 18:49.45 | gimpy0138 | ksuhku: I think hibernation can only use swap paritions. |
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| 18:50.08 | ksuhku | so, thus you'd need almost as much swap as ram right? |
| 18:50.10 | bambanx | i do 12 gigas for swap |
| 18:50.30 | bambanx | :P |
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| 18:50.50 | ksuhku | of course , |
| 18:51.01 | Bushmills | pray your system never needs to use 12 GiB of swap |
| 18:51.09 | ksuhku | not all memory is used always and the hibernation image is compressed, so... |
| 18:53.00 | ksuhku | bambanx, are you going to hibernate it? |
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| 18:53.21 | bambanx | what you mean? |
| 18:53.31 | bambanx | no |
| 18:53.44 | ksuhku | then you don't need too much swap at all |
| 18:54.11 | bambanx | well is installing now |
| 18:54.15 | ksuhku | ;) |
| 18:54.20 | bambanx | Can i resize later? |
| 18:54.24 | mike__ | id use 1gb swap at most on any system i have in my house, and i never see any of them use more than 90mb |
| 18:54.29 | ksuhku | yes you can |
| 18:54.34 | bambanx | Cool |
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| 18:56.15 | bambanx | For what i used hibernation? |
| 18:56.21 | mike__ | i need a good pci wireless card for my desktop. Any suggestions? |
| 18:56.37 | bambanx | Atheros? |
| 18:56.39 | mike__ | (preferably one that works OTB) |
| 18:56.53 | GirlyGirl | bambanx: mike__+1 to Atheros |
| 18:58.02 | ksuhku | bambanx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernation_%28computing%29 |
| 18:58.12 | mike__ | all im fnding on ebay is mini pci cards |
| 18:59.07 | bambanx | Thanks |
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| 19:01.09 | bambanx | when is ready debian 7 ? |
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| 19:02.34 | PerfDave | WIR, SIYH? :) |
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| 19:03.03 | bambanx | ? |
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| 19:03.27 | bambanx | it will have gnome 3? |
| 19:03.47 | PerfDave | bambanx: It'll be released When It's Ready; Sooner If You Help. Given that Debian 6 was released less than a year ago, I doubt it's imminent. |
| 19:04.27 | bambanx | ok |
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| 19:09.25 | zeroproximity1 | i need help solving this problem http://paste.pocoo.org/show/488430/ thanks in advance |
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| 19:11.46 | Bushmills | ,versions nfs-common |
| 19:11.47 | judd | Package: nfs-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-4; squeeze-backports: 1:1.2.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.2.4-1; sid: 1:1.2.5-2 |
| 19:12.37 | Bushmills | how come you're using version 1:1.2.5-2? |
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| 19:14.50 | zeroproximity1 | fixed it thanks |
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| 19:20.15 | Vib3 | hi |
| 19:20.25 | Vib3 | I would need some help with -> http://pastebin.com/RYr8Baah |
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| 19:22.46 | gimpy0138 | Vib3: Looks like a bug in their installer. |
| 19:23.47 | somiaj | Vib3: I would suggest sticking with the backport drivers until the newer version makes it into debian. Then you know its been tested to work with debian. You could contact ati and see what they say to support their installer. Only thing you were missing was overclocking options of the newer driver? |
| 19:24.11 | Vib3 | gimpy0138: yea |
| 19:25.11 | Vib3 | somiaj: yes, and those drivers totally jamm my debian, i can reboot just by using "reboot -f" |
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| 19:27.12 | somiaj | well looks like an error in their installer, line 146 -- its trying to find a directory that isn't there |
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| 19:29.18 | Vib3 | somiaj: yes, i can install e.g. 11.9 driver fine, but it has cpu usage bug |
| 19:29.42 | Vib3 | i use it for bitcoin mining so it uses my cpu for 100% cos of bug |
| 19:30.24 | Vib3 | 11.6 worked on ubuntu flawlessly |
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| 19:31.00 | da13371 | I did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", then rebooted. It did not reboot into the new kernel, instead booting into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. |
| 19:31.20 | da13371 | I checked /boot/grub/menu.lst and found that while normal and single user options for linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 were 0 and 1 at the bottom of the file "default 2" was still there, explaining why it went into 2.6.19-rc1-1-486. |
| 19:31.20 | da13371 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.20 | da13371 | Now the system is trying to boot into linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, but init fails and root filesystem isnt found. how to fix system? |
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| 19:33.11 | mutante | ehmm.. Setting up epiphany (0.7.0-5) .. but epiphany-browser: command not found, epiphany: command not found |
| 19:33.52 | mutante | my menu entry also broke after upgrading: Failed to execute child process "epiphany-browser" (No such file or directory) |
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| 19:35.46 | mutante | hmm, ok, epiphany != epiphany-browser .. wasnt that different before? ok, never mind |
| 19:36.59 | tehrabbitt | hey, I was in here yesterday and i asked a question but sadly i lost my internet connection right when someone tried to answer it X_X anyway, I still can't figure it out... I feel it's a hardware issue or BIOS issue, but idk what to do. the machine is a ibm x-server 346 supporting a max of 16GB of DDR2 3200R. I tried putting in 8, 12, and even 16GB, but it won't work above 8GB (machine beeps and wont POST). i'm not sure if anyone else he |
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| 19:40.46 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: Make sure the RAM amounts, type, and timing all match, make sure you are puttin them in the correct slots, read the system documentation, call IBM. |
| 19:41.00 | gimpy0138 | Also, don't buy IBM, they are terrible. |
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| 19:42.16 | tehrabbitt | grrr okay still having connection problems |
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| 19:44.13 | tehrabbitt | anyone here ever deal with IBM X-Servers? |
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| 19:49.16 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.44 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: Make sure the RAM amounts, type, and timing all match, make sure you are puttin them in the correct slots, read the system documentation, call IBM. |
| 19:50.46 | gimpy0138 | Also, don't buy IBM, they are terrible. |
| 19:51.18 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt: If it won't post it's a hardware problem. Sounds like it might not like some of the RAM or might have an 8G limit. |
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| 19:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt: BIOS updates are always a good thing to check. |
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| 19:54.20 | tehrabbitt | gimpy0138: they're all from the same batch of ram / same model, speed, timings, etc |
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| 19:55.03 | tehrabbitt | jhutchins: thats what i thought, the 8GB limit, but the documentation for th emachine says 16GB max, or 8GB max in mirrored mode (16GB physical memory mirrored) |
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| 19:56.18 | smhar | greetings, |
| 19:56.31 | Vib3 | somiaj: thx, I submitted bug report to AMD |
| 19:56.48 | JyZyXEL | Warning: the RSA host key for 'nas' differs from the key for the IP address '192.168.0.100' |
| 19:56.51 | JyZyXEL | Offending key for IP in /home/foo/.ssh/known_hosts:36 |
| 19:56.52 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: You sure you have the right docs? IBM has multiple versions of the same models. |
| 19:56.53 | JyZyXEL | Matching host key in /home/foo/.ssh/known_hosts:41 |
| 19:56.57 | JyZyXEL | what command can i use to fix that? |
| 19:57.35 | gimpy0138 | JyZyXEL: Those are held in .ssh/known_hosts usually |
| 19:57.49 | JyZyXEL | thats what it says |
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| 19:58.15 | gimpy0138 | You can just delete the file if you want the easy fix. It will be created again as needed but you lose all the host keys your system knows about, but that's not a huge deal. |
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| 19:58.47 | nitzs | How can I see the filenames of the files contained in a package? |
| 19:58.53 | JyZyXEL | what the heck, im not gonna delete the whole file cause of that |
| 19:58.59 | tehrabbitt | gimpy0138: i'm trying to confirm right now |
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| 19:59.52 | gimpy0138 | Each SSH server has a "host" key. The "host" has a private key and when you (client) connects you get the public key matching it. From then on every time you connect SSH will compare your local public key (in known_hosts) to the server's key to see if there is a man in the middle attack. |
| 19:59.57 | smhar | I need help. the motherboard of my computer was burnt and I got a new one. I have 2 hd, one IDE and one SATA, I have several systems on them, but the main is debian testing. now grub loads but gives me errors and not going to debian or anywhere. I tried the netinst cd and went to rescue mode, and chose the root partition on debian then I asked to rewrite grub, but got an error that I can not write to hardisk |
| 19:59.59 | tehrabbitt | gimpy0138: http://vsemcomp.ru/dat/bin/files/39_ibm_346_8840.pdf |
| 20:00.02 | tehrabbitt | thats the one i have |
| 20:00.17 | gimpy0138 | JyZyXEL: Then just delete the offending line(s) in the file with vi, emacs, nano, pico, whatever. |
| 20:00.40 | JyZyXEL | thats manual |
| 20:00.59 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: BIOS update as jhutchins_lt mentioned and also try to physically pwoer the machine off for a few minutes if you haven't already. |
| 20:01.09 | gimpy0138 | As in, unplugged. |
| 20:01.16 | JyZyXEL | id rather use a simple oneliner than go poking around with a text editor |
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| 20:01.39 | gimpy0138 | JyZyXEL: Then learn how to do that. awk, sed, perl, pick one and learn. |
| 20:01.58 | JyZyXEL | ... |
| 20:02.13 | JyZyXEL | how about, ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.100 |
| 20:02.24 | gimpy0138 | JyZyXEL: You don't learn by people giving you answers. Learn how something works and use it. |
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| 20:02.49 | gimpy0138 | I don't recall if ssh-keygen over-writes offending entries, but tias. |
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| 20:03.32 | tehrabbitt | gimpy0138: I upgraded to the latest BIOS / left the machine unplugged overnight when I got frustrated with it last night :-\ |
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| 20:04.09 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: Have you tried swearing at it and hitting it? |
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| 20:04.26 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: Have you belittled it in front of the other servers? |
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| 20:04.48 | ChorlaMan | hi |
| 20:04.54 | ChorlaMan | to everybody |
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| 20:05.08 | Psychonaut | I have a Linux Box acting like a router with dot1q enabled for 2 vlans (eth0.10, eth0.20). I want to share my eth1 internet connection with those 2 vlans. A simple masquerading would solve the problem? |
| 20:05.15 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: Other than that I'm not sure. Open a case with IBM, it sounds like a hardware issue including bad RAM. |
| 20:05.17 | ChorlaMan | some user know www.zenloadbalancer.com project? I would like use, it is based on debian |
| 20:05.25 | ChorlaMan | and I would like to know references |
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| 20:09.36 | tehrabbitt | gimpy0138: I would but they want a service contract to even talk to you on the phone /. via email :( and those are hundreds a year |
| 20:09.57 | tehrabbitt | this is just my home 'mess around' box lol |
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| 20:10.41 | gimpy0138 | tehrabbitt: Sounds like a hardware issue, nthing more I can help with. |
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| 20:10.56 | tehrabbitt | alrighty thanks for tryin :-D |
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| 20:11.21 | tehrabbitt | i appreciate it, I was just trying to make sure i didn't maybe not think of something i should have thought of 0_0 lol |
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| 20:28.52 | mamalujo | hi! I'm presuming this must be a hardware issue, but just to check, since it started so suddenly; bit more than half a year ago I moved to debian testing (again). quite soon, I started getting computer freezes, perhaps its some confirmation bias, but I think it happens when doing something graphics related more often - like watching some video, esp if demanding. It either just freezes, or freezes and the screen becomes garbled. ... |
| 20:28.58 | mamalujo | ... Sometimes instead of this, I just loose all audio (and usually a freeze not long after). I run the computer w pretty rare shutdowns, though I don't remember seeing anything problematic in the temperatures after such freezes... I haven't done much to troubleshoot (like, using some live CD), so just wondering if it perhaps sounds familiar to someone... |
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| 20:29.15 | kr0nic | hellos, i have a question, its better have a only server for web and mail? or its much better have separate? |
| 20:30.07 | abrotman | mamalujo: might want to specify some hardware specifics |
| 20:30.12 | abrotman | kr0nic: depends on the loan |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | load |
| 20:30.16 | ChorlaMan | someone know zenloadbalancer.com based on debian? |
| 20:30.24 | ChorlaMan | some recomendation about the project? |
| 20:30.29 | ChorlaMan | stable? |
| 20:30.31 | ChorlaMan | useful? |
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| 20:30.50 | gimpy0138 | kr0nic: It also depends on your security requirements aka how paranoid you are |
| 20:32.15 | kr0nic | gimpy0138, allright i think is better work separate |
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| 20:33.23 | mamalujo | abrotman: ok, its an older comp, Athlon 64 3000+ (Orleans core version), 2.5GB ram (DDR2), with a builtin GPU (and audio), GeForce6100. Another reason I suspect the GPU is that nouveau doesn't work on my comp, though its supposed to be well supported, so this is w proprietary drivers. |
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| 20:35.34 | mamalujo | perhaps its GeForce 6150, don't quite remember |
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| 20:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: Does it work correctly on stable? |
| 20:36.29 | mamalujo | jhutchins_lt: before the upgrade, while I had stable, yes it did work w/o freezes. I haven't tried installing it again to check |
| 20:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: I would recommend that you re-install stable, and if you want to test wheezy install it on a seperate partition as a boot option so that you can work around problems like this. |
| 20:37.48 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: I haven't seen any problems specific to GeForce cards with wheezy, but you can check with #debian-next on oftc.net where more of the people are runnign test softwarae. |
| 20:38.06 | mamalujo | fair enough, I think I can afford 2 installs spacewise now |
| 20:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: ~4G should be plenty for testing. |
| 20:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: nuveau is for nvidias anyway. |
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| 20:39.51 | dkz | hi |
| 20:40.24 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 20:40.24 | dkz | there is any repository to install KDE 4.7.1 ? |
| 20:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | dkz: no. |
| 20:40.37 | RichiH | shouldn't postgresql-9.1 use alternatives to link from /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/bin/pg_ctl to /usr/bin/pg_ctl? |
| 20:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | dkz: Not for stable. |
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| 20:40.47 | RichiH | with 9.1 installled, i lack a /usr/bin/pg_ctl |
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| 20:40.53 | dkz | jhutchins_lt: same for unstable? |
| 20:40.57 | RichiH | which, in turn, makes akonadi drive against a wall |
| 20:41.13 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kde-base |
| 20:41.15 | judd | No package named 'kde-base' was found in i386. |
| 20:41.27 | mamalujo | jhutchins_lt: yes, its for nvidia, not sure what you mean by that - "The GeForce 6 Series (codename NV40) is **Nvidia's** sixth generation of GeForce graphic processing units. " (wiki). |
| 20:41.32 | RichiH | does anyone have an ealier version of postgres installed and can check if that sets alternatives? |
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| 20:42.16 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kdebase-bin |
| 20:42.17 | judd | Package: kdebase-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-1 |
| 20:42.35 | mamalujo | jhutchins_lt: well, my current root partition uses some 18gb, I think it was 12 before I spammed it games and stuff. could I fit in just 4? |
| 20:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: Never mind, just my brain lagging. |
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| 20:42.52 | mamalujo | ah, right heh :) |
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| 20:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | mamalujo: Check the install guide, it should say how much space is necessary. Obviously more if you have both kde and gnome. |
| 20:43.46 | mamalujo | right, ok, thx |
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| 20:44.28 | cantido | I think 4GB will be very tight for kde and gnome.. |
| 20:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | dkz: Looks like 4.6 is the latest to be stable enough to test. |
| 20:44.49 | dkz | I see, thx |
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| 20:47.12 | Delaila | alguien habla español ? |
| 20:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | !es |
| 20:47.21 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 20:47.38 | dkz | Delaila: si, pero para eso el canal de debian-es |
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| 20:47.58 | Delaila | yo qeria saber eso nomas :B |
| 20:49.34 | dkz | I'm looking for install Debian on Chromebook, has anyone tried it or knows if it's stable? |
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| 20:54.36 | DammitJim | what can I do to fix this problem when the machine is booting up and it takes forever? |
| 20:54.38 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/SCJfTc94 |
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| 20:55.03 | DammitJim | line 883 |
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| 21:01.46 | cakeb0ss | Thinking of switching to debian from ubuntu... |
| 21:02.03 | DammitJim | cakeb0ss, do a vm and try it out |
| 21:02.08 | cakeb0ss | Already have. |
| 21:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Looks like a problem initializing a camera. Can the camera be unplugged? |
| 21:02.24 | cakeb0ss | One thing im trying to decide is based on my laptops integrated graphics |
| 21:02.59 | cakeb0ss | I had to compiled on ubuntu to run the latest mesa to stop getting this ARB_Shader error while trying to play heroes of newerth |
| 21:03.04 | DammitJim | jhutchins, it's an integrated webcam on this Inspiron laptop |
| 21:03.14 | DammitJim | I don't care for the camera to be honest... going to look at bios now |
| 21:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Does it work with stable? |
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| 21:04.07 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: BIOS updates are always a good idea. Most manufacturers will issue at least one by the time a MB hits retail. |
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| 21:04.50 | DammitJim | dammit... no bios update |
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| 21:04.57 | DammitJim | and I haven't tried it with stable |
| 21:05.23 | DammitJim | no option to turn the camera off |
| 21:05.24 | DammitJim | :( |
| 21:05.33 | DammitJim | I wonder if I can just trick the OS to just not look for it |
| 21:05.37 | cantido | cakeb0ss: you'll probably need a backport in stable then.. which I'm not sure you'll be able to get for mesa |
| 21:05.37 | DammitJim | I don't care of the webcam working |
| 21:05.50 | DammitJim | so that it can just continue booting instead of waiting/trying to enable it |
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| 21:06.16 | cakeb0ss | yeah thats what i was worried about |
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| 21:06.26 | DammitJim | jhutchins_lt, how did you know it was the webcam? |
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| 21:09.44 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: v4l |
| 21:10.04 | DammitJim | oh... while I was looking that up, I thought that was a tv tuner of some sort! |
| 21:10.16 | DammitJim | is there a way to just tell linux not to try to load it and move on? |
| 21:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: I don't see a specific driver. I suppose it could blacklist it, or you could blacklist whatever v4l module is loading. I take it the cam ends up not working? |
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| 21:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: You can use the v4l resources to try to troubleshoot it. |
| 21:11.09 | jhutchins_lt | !v4l |
| 21:11.09 | dpkg | "Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. The V4L1 API is obsolete and does not work with most newer V4L drivers. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/What_is_V4L_or_DVB%3F http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.exploits.org/v4l #v4l on irc.freenode.net. See also <dvb>, <webcam>. |
| 21:11.19 | DammitJim | I don't even care for the webcam working |
| 21:11.45 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Well, if it works it isn't gumming up the system, so possibly worth fixing. |
| 21:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Also, perpetual question: does it work in stable? The 3.0 kernel has all kinds of new kinks. |
| 21:12.15 | DammitJim | nah, I don't use the webcam at all |
| 21:12.20 | DammitJim | I might try out stable |
| 21:12.29 | DammitJim | but also wanted to know if it was possible to blacklist it like you said |
| 21:12.41 | Agiofws | how do i get icedove to use chrome instead of firefox clicking on emails links ? |
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| 21:20.08 | b7006 | come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat come to irc.zonebg.com on channel #bgchat |
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| 21:21.02 | bambanx | guys i installed windows 7 and next debian squeeze with grub, but now i restart and i dont see windows on the grub , how i can fix this? |
| 21:22.20 | ompaul | bambanx: I have no idea but this web page might http://apcmag.com/dualboot |
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| 21:25.33 | bambanx | anyone know ? |
| 21:26.26 | dvs | bambanx: aptitide install os-prober |
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| 21:26.38 | bambanx | what is this? |
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| 21:28.00 | bambanx | installed |
| 21:28.50 | bambanx | now dvs ? |
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| 21:30.04 | dvs | bambanx: reboot? |
| 21:30.28 | bambanx | when i reboot i dont see on my grub windows 7 |
| 21:32.15 | dvs | bambanx: anything in /etc/grub.d ? |
| 21:32.27 | bambanx | 1 sec |
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| 21:33.36 | dFence | hi guys! is there a environment-variable I can set to pass the "-j N" argument to make? |
| 21:33.41 | bambanx | i have a few files on this deirectory : 00_header , 10_linux 30_os-prober ... |
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| 21:34.21 | bambanx | dvs maybe i need to add to the grub windows 7 ? |
| 21:34.59 | dvs | bambanx: in custom |
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| 21:35.39 | bambanx | dvs i have 40_custom and 41_custom |
| 21:35.41 | cantido | dFence: man make |
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| 21:43.19 | bambanx | dvs, what i do in custom? |
| 21:43.48 | dvs | bambanx: I dunno. os-prober works for me. |
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| 21:46.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambanx: did you look at ompaul 's link? |
| 21:46.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions grub-core |
| 21:46.26 | judd | No package named 'grub-core' was found in i386. |
| 21:46.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 21:46.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions grub-common |
| 21:46.44 | judd | Package: grub-common on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-12; wheezy: 1.99-12 |
| 21:47.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | 201008 should know about vista, so should detect 7 too (aiui) |
| 21:47.59 | bambanx | yes but i dont understand |
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| 21:48.03 | bambanx | my english suck |
| 21:48.06 | bambanx | :/ |
| 21:48.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | what is your native language? there maybe a debian channel to help you |
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| 21:50.06 | confusid | Hello, just saw kfreebsd debian. What is the extras with this? |
| 21:50.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | what do you mean extras? |
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| 21:50.31 | bambanx | Kamping_Kaiser, look this pls maybe this can help me http://imageshack.us/f/580/pantallazott.png/ |
| 21:50.38 | bambanx | is my drives |
| 21:50.56 | confusid | I'm looking for info to explain what it is |
| 21:51.12 | bambanx | i think i do wrong my partitions |
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| 21:51.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | confusid: its debian with a freebsd kernel |
| 21:52.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambanx: so you've got 2 ntfs partitions, i assume the 2nd is windows |
| 21:52.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambanx: have you noticed you have two swap files? one 6 gb and one 11gb? |
| 21:53.02 | confusid | ah nice.. one more question. Is it able to run debian and bsd ports or I would still need to run a 2nd kernel for that? |
| 21:53.12 | bambanx | yes Kamping_Kaiser |
| 21:53.29 | bambanx | i need to delete the 12 swap? Kamping_Kaiser |
| 21:53.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambanx: you don't 'need' to, its just odd to have two swap files like that. |
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| 21:54.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | confusid: don't know about ports, but i suspect not (ports is the package management stuff on bsd right?) |
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| 21:54.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | or do you mean in a vm? |
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| 21:54.57 | confusid | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, I'm use to openbsd and have run the debian kernel with it and ran linux and bsd/ports programs |
| 21:55.12 | bambanx | what can i do Kamping_Kaiser ? |
| 21:55.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: kfreebsd |
| 21:55.39 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:55.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | confusid: i suggest you ask on that irc channel ^^ |
| 21:55.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | confusid: they'll have a better idea then me :) |
| 21:56.32 | confusid | np, I'm downloading the stable.. will test it out :) Debian was my first linux :) |
| 21:57.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | bambanx: about your windows? if rerunning grub-install doesn't helpi'm not sure what to suggest. |
| 21:57.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | confusid: :) |
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| 22:02.12 | scressi | i have a question about rsyslog if anyone can help |
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| 22:02.29 | unkmar | I fixed my xbindkeys and gnome problem. |
| 22:03.26 | unkmar | I believe it was a race condition. xbindkeys would start around the time the .xml keybindings were loading. {sleep 30; xbindkeys ;} & is what I now have in my .xsessionrc |
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| 22:05.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | unkmar: nice work :) |
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| 22:31.48 | localtoast | My GPU keeps hanging when the system is being used intensively, what gives? |
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| 22:32.19 | civillian | overheat? |
| 22:32.26 | localtoast | No, not overheating |
| 22:32.32 | localtoast | it's an Intel 845G |
| 22:33.16 | localtoast | It especially happens when using Icedove and iceweasel at the same time |
| 22:33.41 | localtoast | Upgrading Iceweasel to 7 and Icedove to 3.1 makes it even WORSE |
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| 22:34.52 | localtoast | The hang in the GPU renders X unusable until you reboot |
| 22:35.07 | localtoast | I can switch to a VTs, but switching to X results in a black screen |
| 22:35.25 | localtoast | when the GPU hangs in X, I can move the cursor and it even changes, but the display doesn;t change |
| 22:35.40 | localtoast | is it ram related? |
| 22:35.46 | localtoast | I only 256 MB RAM in it |
| 22:35.58 | civillian | if you've got a decent swap then probably not |
| 22:36.03 | localtoast | 400 MB swap |
| 22:36.12 | civillian | umm, probably not enough |
| 22:36.26 | civillian | I'd go with at least 1GB |
| 22:36.35 | localtoast | It's just gmail, facebook, another tab for occasional browsing, and Icedove to monitor POP |
| 22:36.42 | localtoast | basically, your mother's debian session |
| 22:37.05 | civillian | what does 'free' say? |
| 22:37.31 | localtoast | I'll SSH into it... |
| 22:38.01 | localtoast | damnit |
| 22:38.19 | localtoast | dynamic IPs are a bitch when your hostname resolving server isn't working :( |
| 22:39.55 | localtoast | htop says 200/240 |
| 22:40.03 | localtoast | 166/467 for swap |
| 22:40.11 | civillian | my icedove here (testing) is using around 140M |
| 22:40.17 | localtoast | CPU is hitting lower than 10% |
| 22:40.26 | localtoast | icedove is using 10% |
| 22:40.37 | localtoast | but iceweasel is using 60% |
| 22:40.43 | localtoast | lower memory usage from 3.6 my ass |
| 22:42.03 | localtoast | uptime is 42 minutes... |
| 22:42.12 | localtoast | it doesn't last long without needing a restart |
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| 22:45.03 | civillian | throw more ram at it and see what happens |
| 22:45.10 | localtoast | if I had more.... |
| 22:45.14 | civillian | 256 is not seen often |
| 22:45.20 | civillian | in desktops anyway |
| 22:45.24 | localtoast | it was standard back in 2004 |
| 22:45.36 | civillian | not really heh |
| 22:45.47 | localtoast | I only have on eother DDR using box |
| 22:45.52 | civillian | 2001 perhaps |
| 22:46.02 | localtoast | the other one has DDR2 and the other SDRAM |
| 22:46.45 | civillian | one way to be 100% sure would be to increase the swap to around 2GB |
| 22:46.56 | civillian | if you don't want to buy more ram |
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| 22:47.00 | localtoast | the system is using less than half or swap |
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| 22:47.12 | PerfDave | localtoast: Does the machine actually hang, or is it just X? i.e. when it's frozen can you still SSH in etc.? |
| 22:47.19 | localtoast | Just X |
| 22:47.25 | localtoast | I can enter VTs, SSH in, etc. |
| 22:47.32 | localtoast | Just than X refues to update the display |
| 22:47.39 | localtoast | except for the cursor |
| 22:48.32 | localtoast | when I ctrl+alt+F1 and ctrl+alt+f7, it'll complain that the GPU hung and enter a black screen with the cursor |
| 22:48.44 | PerfDave | What'll complain? |
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| 22:49.05 | PerfDave | Are you using the right Xorg video driver? Anything in your X logs? |
| 22:49.05 | localtoast | the VT will complain that the GPU hung and switxch back to a black X session |
| 22:49.15 | PerfDave | localtoast: How will it complain? |
| 22:49.31 | localtoast | in a VT, kernel warning |
| 22:49.46 | PerfDave | OK, what's the error message? |
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| 22:50.09 | flocky | Hello. I am running Game Servers on my dedicated system. Last days I've been victim of udp dos or ddos attacks. Any help/advice? |
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| 22:52.26 | civillian | flocky: DDoS protection requires an upstream solution, DoS protection can usually be done on the host itself |
| 22:52.38 | templet | i was asked to come here and see if anyone knew how i could solve my problem http://pastebin.com/3bGcgv9x |
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| 22:54.13 | PerfDave | templet: What is the command "upgrade"? Some kind of script or alias? |
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| 22:54.41 | PerfDave | templet: Also, what does "Böyle bir dosya ya da dizin yok" mean? |
| 22:55.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions gnome-colors-common |
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| 22:55.49 | judd | Package: gnome-colors-common on i386 -- sid: 5.5.1-1; squeeze: 5.5.1-1; wheezy: 5.5.1-1 |
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| 22:56.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | templet: who asked you to come here? |
| 22:58.21 | themill | PerfDave: "No such file or directory" |
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| 23:00.07 | templet | Kamping_Kaiser, it was #ubuntu+1. i found a pastebin almost exactly i was having basically --configure required on some package |
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| 23:01.04 | themill | templet: can you explain why you were asking about debian upgrade problems in #ubuntu+1? (or why ubuntu upgrade problems are relevant to #debian?) |
| 23:01.50 | templet | only because someone sent me here they felt the problem would be easily solved in debian based support |
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| 23:02.18 | themill | templet: #debian supports debian, not debian-based. I can't tell you anything about what is wrong with ubuntu packages. |
| 23:02.45 | templet | ok no problem thanks |
| 23:02.48 | localtoast | especially because ubuntu does naughty things packaging that isn't kosher with normal debian |
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| 23:03.31 | rww | sighs |
| 23:03.37 | rww | I'll go lart the #ubuntu+1 people. |
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| 23:05.12 | rww | Looks like they sent them over here because the user's hostname is "debian" :\ |
| 23:06.06 | rww | the date on that pastebin is screwy, I guess they're being odd and reusing someone else's |
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| 23:12.39 | civillian | flocky: try #networking |
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| 23:20.25 | daemonkeeper | ##networking, actually. |
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| 23:21.58 | _jesse_ | hey all, I did a package upgrade and now my wireless refuses to work; wicd says that it is a 'bad password' |
| 23:22.38 | _jesse_ | when it tries to put the interface up, demsg reports ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 23:23.44 | parapa | how can I tell what drivers I need to install for my netbook so opengl works with wine? |
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| 23:29.32 | somiaj | is there a libreoffice channel -- just noticed that libreoffice doens't return me to a prompt when I run it from a terminal anymore. Off to the bts. |
| 23:30.01 | localtoast | #libreoffice |
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| 23:30.08 | somiaj | thanks |
| 23:30.14 | localtoast | you're welcome |
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| 23:33.03 | Ebonwumon | I'm very unfamiliar with debian, but my VPS has it installed. I want to use the PHP 5.4 beta, instead of the regular PHP5 package. Is there anyway to enable some sort of unstable or testing repository and install from that? |
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| 23:35.20 | somiaj | Ebonwumon: do not install testing/unstable packages on a stable system. This will break it. Instead you have to use a backport |
| 23:35.21 | huglester | Ebonwumon: if php 5.3.8 would suit your needs,i'd recomment www.dotdeb.org . I think they'll have php 5.4 when it will be released |
| 23:35.24 | somiaj | !backports |
| 23:35.24 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 23:36.21 | Ebonwumon | Oh. |
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| 23:36.27 | Ebonwumon | Sounds like a PITA =\ |
| 23:36.37 | somiaj | ,versions php5 |
| 23:36.40 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8-2; wheezy: 5.3.8-2 |
| 23:36.51 | Ebonwumon | The PHP 5.4 feature in question isn't /that/ important to me, I can wait I suppose. |
| 23:37.11 | themill | huglester: dotdeb is not really a great recommendation. Their packages tend to cause more problems than they solve. |
| 23:37.16 | somiaj | doesn't even appear the beta has made it into experimental. So you will basically be left on your own to install/manage it |
| 23:37.33 | huglester | themill: hm.. maybe you have some good alternatives? |
| 23:38.01 | themill | "aptitude purge ~nphp" is one excellent alternative; what dpkg said is another. |
| 23:39.08 | Ebonwumon | All this makes me miss Arch Linux :( |
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| 23:57.21 | lfs | It says I should do backup before upgrading from LEnny |
| 23:57.51 | lfs | Are there any special backup programs or should I just copy what I want to save? |
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