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| 00:00.25 | lfs | I am also wondering about GRUB. |
| 00:00.49 | lfs | I have dual boot here with VISTA, and will upgrading GRUB cause a problem. |
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| 00:02.26 | Wolfflow | Hi All, have just started with debian and need some basic feedback. would really appreciate if someone can help me! |
| 00:03.56 | tensorpudding | Wolfflow, you should ask concrete questions |
| 00:05.16 | babilen | lfs: There are plenty of backup programs, but saving data that is important for you is a good first step. (/msg dpkg what to backup) -- grub can handle booting windows just fine if os-prober is installed (and grub is able to find windows) ... "/msg dpkg dual boot guide" has more information IIRC |
| 00:05.52 | Wolfflow | tensorpudding : have a raw debian 6.0.2 install and would like to install a open source panel to connect remotely to my server which one is the best suited for debian? |
| 00:06.04 | lfs | I Know installing Vista after installing Vista is major headache |
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| 00:06.13 | tensorpudding | "best X" questions have a lot of opinion in them |
| 00:06.31 | lfs | I Mean installing vista after Debian because Vista writes all over the mbr |
| 00:06.35 | civillian | Wolfflow: sshd |
| 00:06.51 | babilen | !tell lfs -about fixmbr |
| 00:06.56 | tensorpudding | i truly don't know anything about panels |
| 00:07.17 | babilen | lfs: You can do that from any live CD and/or debian install CD |
| 00:07.25 | Wolfflow | civillian : shhd is a panel? |
| 00:07.36 | civillian | Wolfflow: the best kind of panel :) |
| 00:07.49 | Wolfflow | civillian : I guess is a shell do you? |
| 00:08.00 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow -about free whcp |
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| 00:08.17 | babilen | Wolfflow: SSH might/should be all you need though. ;) |
| 00:09.11 | Wolfflow | babilen: Oh yes I understand! |
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| 00:12.44 | Wolfflow | Do you know a link with list of common first task to set on a debian for provide a secure internet server? |
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| 00:13.43 | lfs | Using Xchat is there a way to save this session? |
| 00:13.44 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow -about harden |
| 00:14.18 | Wolfflow | babilen: : yes harden |
| 00:14.23 | babilen | Wolfflow: You can ask dpkg (our bot) about all the factoids in <...> |
| 00:14.38 | babilen | Wolfflow: Do you see the private message dpkg send you? |
| 00:14.59 | Wolfflow | babilen : yes |
| 00:16.19 | babilen | Wolfflow: That being said: You shouldn't worry too much as the default configurations are pretty reasonable. The basic and most important thing to keep in mind is: A service that is not running cannot be exploited. |
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| 00:17.26 | babilen | Wolfflow: Jokingly: http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/scissors.pdf |
| 00:17.36 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Oh yes I am just starting to configure and I'm a bitconfused what services I should install first, ftp, apache, mysql etc.. |
| 00:18.42 | Wolfflow | babilen: : and first of all being root is not reccomenden so I do have to create a suer for me and go on with sudo right? |
| 00:18.43 | babilen | Wolfflow: I don't know what you need and what you want to offer. The order of installation doesn't really matter though. I would strongly recommend *not* to use FTP though. |
| 00:18.48 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow -about ftp must die |
| 00:19.08 | babilen | Wolfflow: Root is fine (but don't allow root logins via SSH) |
| 00:20.25 | tensorpudding | speaking of ssh, setup rsa auth and do away with password authentication |
| 00:20.29 | Wolfflow | babilen: : But if I disallow root logging SSH hoe do I proceed? |
| 00:20.57 | tensorpudding | Wolfflow, surely you've set up other users? |
| 00:21.04 | babilen | Wolfflow: You log in as your user and become root with "su" -- You *can* install/use sudo, but it is by no means necessary. |
| 00:21.11 | tensorpudding | you add them to the wheel group |
| 00:21.16 | tensorpudding | then they can su |
| 00:21.22 | tensorpudding | or you setup sudo |
| 00:21.24 | babilen | !wheel |
| 00:21.24 | dpkg | it has been said that wheel is the traditional name of security group 0 in BSD (from slang for "big wheel" as a powerful person). This group is irrelevant in the default Debian configs but you can use the "sudo" group to give users the ability to run commands as root through sudo; ask me about <sudoers>. Alternatively, look at the pam_wheel module for <PAM> which will only allow su to root from members of the wheel group. |
| 00:21.38 | Wolfflow | babilen: : so after setting other user I will disallow root from SSH, right? |
| 00:21.45 | babilen | Wolfflow: yes |
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| 00:22.42 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Ok, thanks. Next what else do I have to set/check before disallowing root fromm SSH? |
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| 00:23.07 | babilen | Wolfflow: That you can acquire root privileges? :) |
| 00:23.36 | Wolfflow | babilen: : with my alias user :-) |
| 00:24.07 | babilen | yes |
| 00:24.14 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Ok I figure out what's the priorrity, Thanks Babilen |
| 00:24.22 | babilen | Wolfflow: Have fun :) |
| 00:24.46 | Wolfflow | babilen: : You too, thanks again. |
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| 00:28.46 | namidark | just booted up a EC2 instance of debian 6 and apparently ping isn't installed⦠where can I apt-get that from ? (iputils-ping isn't installing it :\) |
| 00:29.49 | namidark | Nevermind had to do a apt-get update |
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| 00:35.46 | peterrooney | nameless`: ask dpkg about search |
| 00:36.00 | peterrooney | nameless`: sorry, directed at namidark, who left. |
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| 01:28.41 | mediat0r | hey how do I switch my package manager from stable to testing? |
| 01:29.53 | GTRsdk | mediat0r, I think i know two ways |
| 01:30.22 | GTRsdk | this might not work, but: update-manager -d |
| 01:30.27 | rww | facepalms |
| 01:30.33 | GTRsdk | or edit your /etc/apt/sources.list entries |
| 01:30.48 | GTRsdk | now knows the first one doees not work |
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| 01:30.52 | rww | !tell mediat0r -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 01:32.11 | mediat0r | cool |
| 01:32.39 | mediat0r | thanks GTRsdk /etc/apt/sources.list was what I was looking for |
| 01:32.39 | apt | mediat0r: no problem |
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| 01:34.18 | babilen | mediat0r: I really wouldn't recommend upgrading to wheezy (right now). (in particular *not* if you are using nvidia/amd gpus) |
| 01:34.28 | mediat0r | apt: lets say I want to use a more updated versions of a specific program, should I switch to testing or just get a repo for that program that is more updated? |
| 01:34.29 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, mediat0r |
| 01:34.44 | babilen | !tell mediat0r -about backports |
| 01:34.48 | babilen | !tell mediat0r -about ssb |
| 01:34.58 | GTRsdk | I am using Wheezy |
| 01:35.34 | cakeb0ss | what other gpus are there..... intel? |
| 01:35.43 | babilen | for example |
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| 01:42.47 | nevyn | cakeb0ss: intel, and there's still a bunch of arch's with dumb framebuffers |
| 01:43.03 | nevyn | and there's all the mobile gfx chipsets used by arms |
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| 02:04.37 | ex-parrot | hi all... trying to set up a signed repository but I keep getting "Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 02:04.45 | ex-parrot | is there some easy way to get more verbose debugging about what's going on? |
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| 02:11.03 | ex-parrot | aha, gpgv: not a detached signature |
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| 02:11.41 | ex-parrot | that would be it |
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| 02:35.53 | dau | I am trying to enable usb tethering through my htc desire phone but I do not get it to work. I am using a 2.6 kernel and see "usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1a.7-1, RNDIS device" in the syslog. Apparently it recognizes it. |
| 02:36.18 | dau | I can do a "ifconfig usb0 up" afterwards and assign an address |
| 02:37.30 | dau | and when I set a route to an actual host in the internet, it cannot be reached through the device |
| 02:38.43 | dau | unfortunately I cannot do any debugging from the mobile phone's side because it is not rooted. |
| 02:40.37 | dau | ip addr add 172.16.0.88/16 broadcast 172.16.255.255 dev usb0 |
| 02:40.38 | dau | route add -host xx.xx.xx.xx gw 172.16.0.88 usb0 |
| 02:40.49 | dau | does anyone see an obvious mistake there? |
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| 02:43.52 | cakeb0ss | do you have the tethering progrma installed on your phone? |
| 02:44.16 | cakeb0ss | before you attempt this maybe you should root your phone first |
| 02:44.19 | dau | the Android OS has that included |
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| 02:44.55 | cakeb0ss | on my phone, a palm pre i have it set so my phone is a dhcp server and when i tether i receive an ip address from my phone |
| 02:45.13 | cakeb0ss | i can also connect to it via wifi |
| 02:45.35 | dau | hm that might be the issue. Maybe I am not supposed to set an IP there myself |
| 02:45.46 | cakeb0ss | quite possibly |
| 02:46.00 | cakeb0ss | or you need to set some random localnet ip address statically |
| 02:46.09 | cakeb0ss | ie 192.168.1.15 |
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| 02:46.34 | cakeb0ss | they need a way to talk to each other your phone when in that mode should have a wan address and a lan address |
| 02:47.01 | cakeb0ss | wan being its address to the outside world, lan being its address to your device you are tethering it to |
| 02:47.04 | cakeb0ss | they would not be the same |
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| 02:47.39 | GTRsdk | which package provides aclocal? |
| 02:47.49 | cakeb0ss | also youd set your "gateway" to the internal ip address of your phone and also youd need to set a DNS address |
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| 02:47.53 | cakeb0ss | to resolve hostnames |
| 02:48.25 | xp | this is guilty of off-topic. But where to find qualitifed freelancers to rewrite some English essays? |
| 02:49.04 | rww | xp: so ask in #debian-offtopic instead |
| 02:49.07 | dau | ok I called "dhclient usb0" and it assigned something |
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| 02:49.59 | ac_slater | yup |
| 02:50.02 | ac_slater | oops |
| 02:50.34 | xp | rww, yes. I am not aware there is such a channel. thank you. |
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| 03:19.31 | Eliytres | Hello :) |
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| 03:20.43 | nezZario | Hi debianites! |
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| 03:21.06 | nezZario | ;) ... i'm a little confused, used apt to install dovecot, but for some reason I have 3 dovecot.conf's |
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| 03:39.02 | _Maru_ | did they take out sticky notes from gnome |
| 03:39.04 | _Maru_ | ? |
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| 04:22.02 | teratorn | when browsing a SMB share in gnome, I am accustomed to the share being implicitly mounted under ~/.gvfs on Ubuntu - but on Debian I don't see any mount, and I assume the file access is strictly at the GVFS layer.. any way to get gvfs to actually mount the share? |
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| 04:31.01 | tehrabbitt | what would you guys reccomend that I use to install a VM on my debian machine? I basically want 2 VMs, one for running a copy of XP that I can remote into, the other machine running freenas |
| 04:31.16 | tehrabbitt | i'm running squeeze btw |
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| 04:34.01 | somiaj | have you looked into virtualbox |
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| 04:35.11 | GTRsdk | tehrabbitt, Virtualbox is great for virtual machines |
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| 04:36.07 | tehrabbitt | GTRsdk: better than xen? |
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| 04:37.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | I have been trying to get updates from Debian for a few days... for a while I kpet getting a lock by my update manager and my Terminal(as Superuser) claiming a different program was managing them but I never was able to get them from anything, now my Update manager 'software soruces' panel has all Debian Software options Unchecked and under the Update Tab, 'Debian updates' options are greyed out unchecked. Can someone Suggest to me how to fix thi |
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| 04:38.45 | GTRsdk | tehrabbitt, I have not tried xen |
| 04:39.46 | tehrabbitt | GTRsdk: alright :-\ |
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| 04:40.36 | GTRsdk | tehrabbitt, I'll try xen, but for Windows XP I have had the most luck with virtualbox, since it could have a semi integration mode |
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| 04:41.38 | tehrabbitt | GTRsdk: I've used XEN for creating multiple linux VMs on one machine, but iv'e never tried winXP on it |
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| 04:44.49 | Tyries | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFEr0tNMEQg&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 04:45.07 | Tyries | ALEX JONES BULL HORNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE PLEADING THAT THE WALLS COME CRUMBLING DOWN! |
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| 04:50.15 | tehrabbitt | btw whats a good DNS server i can install on my debian system? |
| 04:50.21 | Tyries | THIS IS A MUST-WATCH VIDEO OF ALEX JONES BULL-HORNING THE FEDERAL RESERVE LIVE, PLEADING THAT THE WALLS COME CRUMBLING DOWN NOW! |
| 04:50.30 | Tyries | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twSjQpixovU&feature=related |
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| 04:51.34 | tehrabbitt | Tyries: this is #debian, not #wallstreet |
| 04:52.14 | Tyries | tehrabbitt: The video is sure to get the ANDRENALINE PUMPING. |
| 04:52.50 | Tyries | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUw3VU_LfPM&feature=related |
| 04:52.55 | Tyries | ALEX JONES RAGES AGAINST DICK PERRY! |
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| 04:53.28 | tehrabbitt | can anyone make a reccomendation on what i can use for an internal LAN DNS server? |
| 04:53.49 | tehrabbitt | I want to implement an internal DNS rather than relying on my linksys router to do it |
| 04:54.19 | Tyries | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxZZjD82bLI |
| 04:54.33 | Tyries | ANGRY ALEX JONES SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT. IT'S THE FEDERAL RESERVE, STUPID! |
| 04:54.37 | aypea[2] | i'd recommend either bind9, pdns-resolver or pdnsd (this one acts more as a forwarder) |
| 04:54.53 | Tyries | GET OUT AND TAKE TO THE STREETS! |
| 04:55.06 | Tyries | WATCH YOUR ALEX JONES FREE OF CHARGE, GET THAT ADRENALINE PUMPING, AND GET OUT THERE! |
| 04:55.08 | aypea[2] | can't. busy with clusters. |
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| 04:55.42 | tehrabbitt | aypea[2]: Hm, which will work the nicest with squid / let me automatically set browsers to use the squid caching proxy? |
| 04:57.43 | Tyries | GET OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:57.50 | Tyries | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EfAmrrqhas |
| 04:58.07 | Tyries | YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE DEATH ------ ALEX JONES RAGES. NO PUNCHES HELD. |
| 04:59.16 | SashaNeko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:04.36 | tehrabbitt | aypea[2]: so out of the ones you reccomended, which is the most popular? |
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| 05:12.31 | peterrooney | tehrabbitt: one more recdommendation for bind9. also, /msg dpkg poll |
| 05:12.42 | peterrooney | recommendation, even |
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| 05:35.02 | technik234 | hello i try to install some packages but for example make is not existing why? |
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| 05:40.04 | nkuttler | !tell technik234 about errors |
| 05:42.02 | Bushmills | because you haven't installed it? |
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| 05:42.59 | Shadur | technik234: just grab build-essential, it'll install most of what you need to compile stuff. |
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| 05:44.30 | technik234 | ok thanks i will try |
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| 05:56.04 | tehrabbitt | how come I can't RDP into my Virtualbox install? I try connecting to the host server's IP and i get disconnected |
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| 05:57.38 | NickMind | can someone confirm something for me. Does "syslogd" use the "wall" command to write messages to logged in users? Or some other app or way? |
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| 05:59.56 | tehrabbitt | I can't connect at all |
| 05:59.57 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
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| 06:05.00 | NickMind | tehrabbitt: are you rdp'ing into a windows vm? |
| 06:05.18 | tehrabbitt | NickMind: I'm trying to install windows on the VM |
| 06:05.31 | tehrabbitt | I started up vboxheadless |
| 06:05.40 | tehrabbitt | and now I want to RDP in so I can do the install |
| 06:05.51 | tehrabbitt | but i can't RDP in |
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| 06:06.39 | NickMind | teratorn: RDP is typically Remote Desktop Protocol. Manly for windows Terminal services |
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| 06:07.01 | tehrabbitt | NickMind: so what should I be using to access the "console" of VirtualBox |
| 06:07.02 | teratorn | ^ tehrabbitt |
| 06:07.05 | Pascal_1 | hello |
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| 06:08.11 | NickMind | tehrabbitt: VRDP is what you want |
| 06:08.18 | NickMind | http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch07.html |
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| 06:08.53 | Pascal_1 | When i launch a session like that on a server : ssh -X root@192.168.1.1 virt-manager, if i close virt-manager the ssh session doesnt close properly. I have to make ctrl-c to close it. Does somebody could tell me why ? |
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| 06:09.02 | tehrabbitt | NickMind: Ah! |
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| 06:09.11 | bosyak | hi all. What the best editor for shell csripts? |
| 06:09.21 | tehrabbitt | bosyak: personal prefrence reallly |
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| 06:10.29 | tehrabbitt | >_< still nothing |
| 06:10.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | bosyak: one with syntax highlihgting |
| 06:11.22 | bosyak | Kamping_Kaiser: something feaute rich? |
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| 06:12.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | gedit, vim, emacs, kate, etc etc all have syntax highlighting, imo the most important feature for hacking shell |
| 06:12.11 | bosyak | error highligting before execution? |
| 06:12.33 | NickMind | Pascal_1: talk out of my butt, but try runing the same command with virt-manager& |
| 06:12.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | bosyak: what do you mean? |
| 06:13.39 | NickMind | Pascal_1: I'm someone better can answer the quesion. But ssh command logs you into the a ssh session, appended the program to start "virt-manager". |
| 06:13.44 | tehrabbitt | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=48972 |
| 06:13.57 | tehrabbitt | RDP just doens't connect to my host |
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| 06:14.07 | NickMind | closing the problem does not close the ssh session. Or that has been my experice |
| 06:14.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pascal_1: its possible virt-manager hasn't closed correctly |
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| 06:14.57 | tehrabbitt | "v" |
| 06:15.03 | tehrabbitt | "You should now be seeing the installation routine of your guest operating system remotely in the RDP viewer." |
| 06:15.06 | bosyak | Kamping_Kaiser: I want to know about error before I execute script... Smart code completition? Not only syntax highlighting. |
| 06:15.16 | tehrabbitt | bosyak: Eclipse |
| 06:15.40 | tehrabbitt | bosyak: it's what I use for stuff |
| 06:15.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suspect all the editors i listed can do it, along with eclipse |
| 06:15.45 | bosyak | tehrabbitt: it's support shell scripting? |
| 06:15.55 | tehrabbitt | I've never tried, but it should |
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| 06:16.06 | mordocai | Anyone have ideas on how to solve a hang on system restart? Using debian testing x64 latest updates. (It doesn't do it on another box with same software). I couldn't find anything in the logs I thought to check, nor can I really find anything on virtual consoles when it freezes. It freezes at Stopping enhanced sylogd: rsyslogd. |
| 06:16.17 | bosyak | thunderrd: thanks:) I'll google about it. |
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| 06:17.34 | Bushmills | bosyak: editor for X or for console? |
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| 06:17.51 | NickMind | tehrabbitt: RDP will only connect to window terminal servers. That mean windows needed to be installed first. |
| 06:17.58 | bosyak | Bushmills: doesn't matter |
| 06:18.07 | tehrabbitt | nvm i think it's the laptop i'm on has broken RDP |
| 06:18.18 | tehrabbitt | since I can't connect to *any* win machine |
| 06:19.10 | NickMind | mordocai: check disk space |
| 06:19.18 | Bushmills | joe isn't too insane. console, syntax highlights shell scripts. |
| 06:19.40 | mordocai | NickMind: I have everything in separate partitions, which partition(s) would i need to be checking? |
| 06:20.10 | NickMind | mordocai: which ever houses /var/log |
| 06:20.11 | mordocai | NickMind: by everything i mean /var /opt /usr /usr/local /home /tmp and / |
| 06:20.22 | mordocai | NickMind: Alrighty, i'll check it. |
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| 06:21.47 | bosyak | Bushmills: joe or jed? |
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| 06:22.12 | Pascal_1 | NickMind: no change |
| 06:22.26 | Bushmills | the editor i mentioned, you mean? |
| 06:22.33 | Pascal_1 | Kamping_Kaiser: i think it's virt-manager wich doesnt close correctly |
| 06:22.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pascal_1: does it close correctly if you ssh in then run it? |
| 06:23.03 | NickMind | Pascal_1: ya sorry, shoot in the dark for me |
| 06:24.28 | bosyak | Bushmills: yes... shell script editor |
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| 06:27.46 | Pascal_1 | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 06:28.01 | Pascal_1 | NickMind: no problem |
| 06:29.03 | Pascal_1 | Kamping_Kaiser: here is what happen : http://pastebin.com/KN4v55bN |
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| 06:30.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pascal_1: if you kill gconfd-2 does virt-manager close? |
| 06:30.46 | NickMind | Pascal_1: I have been doing some testing. because i get the same result with some apps. What i found is ssh session closes fine when running xapps. |
| 06:30.58 | NickMind | but then other times not. |
| 06:31.33 | Pascal_1 | Kamping_Kaiser: no, but gconfd come back if i use virt-manager |
| 06:31.43 | Pascal_1 | NickMind: then you have same problem ? |
| 06:32.09 | NickMind | Pascal_1: only with some apps. |
| 06:32.26 | NickMind | i was thought i was doing something wrong |
| 06:32.33 | Pascal_1 | anyway it's not really a problem |
| 06:32.44 | Pascal_1 | only curiosity ;-) |
| 06:32.56 | Pascal_1 | i will make ctrl-c !! |
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| 06:34.07 | tehrabbitt | i have no idea why this isn't wokring :-\ |
| 06:34.14 | NickMind | Pascal_1: lol same here... Just curiousity more now, then ever. If i find something i msg it to you |
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| 06:35.48 | Pascal_1 | thanks |
| 06:35.51 | Pascal_1 | same for me ! |
| 06:36.00 | tehrabbitt | WTF apparently #virtualbox is invite only? lol |
| 06:37.32 | CruX| | hello, i would luke to mount /var with noexec option. After doing that apt get is not working because has scripts under /var.. How can set script directory for apt ? |
| 06:37.42 | CruX| | same problem with /tmp |
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| 06:38.08 | CruX| | some packages temporary creates scripts under /tmp |
| 06:38.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | CruX|: which ones? |
| 06:38.39 | CruX| | Kamping_Kaiser: java |
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| 06:38.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | interesting, i wasn'taware of that. |
| 06:38.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | i didn'tthink it was allowed |
| 06:39.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | CruX|: you may have to add apt pre and post hooks to enable exec on /var/ before running |
| 06:40.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | CruX|: not sure if its a bug that packages use /tmp/ or not, but its annoying if some don't handle it being noexec |
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| 06:40.45 | CruX| | Kamping_Kaiser: thx I will test that |
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| 06:45.08 | inc0 | hi, I have problem with avi files, when I run them in totem, they play very fast |
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| 06:47.34 | Bushmills | good, then you can watch two in a time when others can only watch one |
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| 06:49.02 | NickMind | inc0: both audio and video play equally fast? |
| 06:49.19 | inc0 | audio is silent |
| 06:49.57 | inc0 | Bushmills, but where is fun? When you have good wine you drink it right from bottle?;) |
| 06:50.27 | Bushmills | inc0: yes, so you can have two in the same time |
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| 06:51.08 | inc0 | sounds like alcoholism can become your problem, be careful |
| 06:51.54 | SNow | Hi guys, who can help me with .htaccess and SSL |
| 06:51.59 | NickMind | Bushmills: i'm with you on that one as well. DONT SEE The Tree of Life |
| 06:52.04 | SNow | somehow .htaccess is not working under SSL, should it be like that? |
| 06:52.41 | NickMind | inc0: is audio silent on prepuse? |
| 06:52.51 | NickMind | prepose |
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| 06:53.13 | NickMind | purpose |
| 06:53.15 | inc0 | not rly |
| 06:53.27 | inc0 | but it works fine in other things |
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| 06:53.32 | inc0 | like music or youtube |
| 06:53.33 | NickMind | inc0: what is the codec? |
| 06:53.43 | inc0 | audio? pulse |
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| 06:53.49 | NickMind | video |
| 06:53.58 | Hemebond | Anyone know if there's an IRC channel for Shotwell? |
| 06:54.07 | NickMind | inc0: i think its a codec problem |
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| 06:55.18 | inc0 | well my thoughts exactly |
| 06:55.22 | NickMind | Hemebond: google search is your friend. But if not, gnome channels may help. |
| 06:55.34 | inc0 | I've installed totem-xine but doesnt seem to solve |
| 06:55.35 | Bushmills | inc0: but, i have the choice of drinking only one, and then have some spare time to do a but of disk repartitioning, while you're still sipping from your glass |
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| 06:56.12 | Hemebond | NickMind: Yeah, already checked. I found an answer to my problem anyway. Cheers. |
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| 06:56.37 | inc0 | if u repartition disc after wine...hmm I wonder how your partitions look like |
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| 06:57.31 | NickMind | my guess is too much or too less. depends on the type of drunk he is |
| 06:58.22 | inc0 | well programming while in balmer's peak is great |
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| 06:58.35 | Bushmills | yes, makes you want to proceed with the second bottle |
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| 07:07.55 | MaXim_ | anyone using NVIDIA drivers with vesafb? |
| 07:08.14 | MaXim_ | I seem to lose vesafb capabilities after entering X on my G92. |
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| 07:09.15 | jelly-home | MaXim_: don't use framebuffer and nvidia non-free drivers at the same time. it's not supported |
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| 07:09.50 | MaXim_ | I've had it working before |
| 07:10.00 | MaXim_ | it just doesn't happen to work on this configuration |
| 07:10.10 | MaXim_ | before (other hardware) |
| 07:10.13 | jelly-home | you were lucky. Nvidia docs explicitely say not to do that |
| 07:10.37 | MaXim_ | fair enough then |
| 07:10.45 | jelly-home | !nofb |
| 07:10.45 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 07:11.20 | MaXim_ | I have lilo |
| 07:11.27 | MaXim_ | so I'll just change the setting there :P |
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| 07:16.57 | Vbitz | how to I get fglrx working in unstable, i tried the ati installer and it does not have libgl |
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| 07:20.49 | nkuttler | !tell Vbitz about fglrx |
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| 07:27.51 | Vbitz | how would i go about finding libgl for fglrx in unstable, the instaler did not install it |
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| 07:50.47 | Slydder | morning all. |
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| 08:13.44 | Vbitz | how would i go about finding libgl for fglrx in unstable, the instaler did not install it |
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| 08:17.19 | nkuttler | Vbitz: which installer? |
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| 08:17.52 | Vbitz | nkuttler, the one from the ati website, i found it in a bug report link |
| 08:17.57 | nkuttler | !tell Vbitz about fglrx |
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| 08:18.18 | nkuttler | Vbitz: do *not* use the official installer |
| 08:18.50 | Vbitz | nkuttler, since fglrx-driver is broken in unstable, what should i do |
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| 08:19.27 | nkuttler | Vbitz: use vesa until it works again. for your next install, install whatever you need before you upgrade |
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| 08:20.23 | mrtnt86 | I executed C-kermit which has following escape character" Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled". Any ideas, what this means? I mean which keys should I press down at the same time? "Ctrl" and "-" and "\"? |
| 08:20.26 | Vbitz | what do you mean by vesa? i am currently running X on mesa |
| 08:20.37 | nkuttler | well then keep using that. use whatever works |
| 08:21.31 | Vbitz | the issue is it does not work for any 3d work |
| 08:21.53 | Vbitz | blender will not even start |
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| 08:22.49 | nkuttler | Vbitz: well why do you run unstable if you need a stable box? |
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| 08:23.24 | babilen | Is the radeon driver not working? (with libgl1-mesa-dri for 3d hw acc) |
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| 08:23.59 | Vbitz | babilen, my graphics card is not supported on the open source driver |
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| 08:24.12 | babilen | ack |
| 08:24.27 | Vbitz | nkuttler, i find using outdated software really anoying |
| 08:24.43 | nkuttler | finds using broken stuff more annoying |
| 08:24.56 | nkuttler | Vbitz: anyway, you could use testing or try the snapshot archive |
| 08:25.16 | Vbitz | nkuttler, the snapshot archive fails to install anything |
| 08:26.18 | babilen | The situation is not really better in testing -- Downgrading xserver-xorg-core + deps (i.e. xserver-xorg-{video,input}-*) is also worth a try. First thing to do though is to remove the amd .run installer crapola. Also: #debian-next (oftc) |
| 08:26.41 | babilen | Downgrading to 1.10 that is |
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| 08:29.46 | claw | where is crontab ? i want to paste something into it >> crontab |
| 08:30.23 | babilen | claw: /etc/crontab |
| 08:30.55 | claw | okay seams like i have to define the user there |
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| 08:31.05 | claw | is @daily working in that cron ? |
| 08:31.20 | babilen | claw: Are you perhaps looking for /etc/cron.daily/ ? |
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| 08:47.53 | Vbitz | my bad package configuration kept the XServer running |
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| 08:56.41 | willemb | I am looking for news files for packages I do not have installed, but want to install. Is that possible? |
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| 08:59.56 | nsadmin | got amd64 on a somewhat recent dell laptop, and I'm getting a message saying it's shutting down irq 18, and so I need to know what's on that irq and why the (debian) kernel would be shitting down the irq |
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| 09:01.14 | NodeX | dmesg ? |
| 09:01.18 | babilen | willemb: changelogs? You could run "aptitude changelog PKG" or download the source with "apt-get source PKG" or "apt-get source PKG" |
| 09:01.21 | jelly | nsadmin: often the culprit is in the lines just before that |
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| 09:02.03 | nsadmin | jelly, it's really early in the boot messages, but there is a group of 4 lines that seem to go together |
| 09:02.29 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:02.35 | Agiofws | is anyone here using mutt ? |
| 09:02.52 | colo-work | Agiofws, I am |
| 09:02.55 | babilen | Agiofws: Yes, hard to come up with reliable numbers though. |
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| 09:03.23 | Agiofws | i can't seem to read msword files they open up as plain text files |
| 09:03.36 | Agiofws | application/msword; /usr/bin/ooffice %s; test=sh -c 'test '$DISPLAY' |
| 09:03.40 | Agiofws | #application/msword; /usr/bin/ooffice %s; test=test -n "$DISPLAY" |
| 09:03.44 | Agiofws | mutt says though |
| 09:04.00 | Agiofws | ---Attachment: DIMI26 SEP-23 OKT 11.doc : application/msword |
| 09:04.01 | babilen | Agiofws: antiword might come in handy. You can configure what is used in you mailcap -- Just google for it. |
| 09:04.04 | Agiofws | No matching mailcap entry found. Viewing as text. |
| 09:04.04 | Agiofws | anyideas ? |
| 09:04.23 | Agiofws | antiword ? |
| 09:04.29 | colo-work | Agiofws, hmm, I don't have a mailcap entry for .doc any more, but mine's working fine (for docx, that is) |
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| 09:04.41 | colo-work | I'm using mutt-patched from debian repos |
| 09:04.41 | babilen | ,info antiword |
| 09:04.41 | Agiofws | what do you have ? |
| 09:04.43 | judd | Package antiword (text, optional) in squeeze/i386: Converts MS Word files to text, PS and PDF. Version: 0.37-6; Size: 147.4k; Installed: 772k; Homepage: http://www.winfield.demon.nl/ |
| 09:04.49 | colo-work | application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; docx2txt %s -; copiousoutput |
| 09:04.53 | colo-work | is my mailcap entry for docx |
| 09:05.03 | babilen | Agiofws: Do you actually want to open it with ooffice/libreoffice? |
| 09:05.06 | colo-work | (yes, that really is their MIME-type. crazy f*cks.) |
| 09:05.12 | Agiofws | babilen, YES |
| 09:05.30 | jelly | Agiofws: grep application/msword /etc/mailcap ? |
| 09:05.42 | babilen | Agiofws: Try colo-work's mailcap entry -- but it should be in /etc/mailcap IIRC |
| 09:06.04 | Agiofws | application/msword; soffice -no-oosplash -writer '%s'; edit=soffice -no-oosplash -writer '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"; description="Microsoft Word Document"; nametemplate=%s.doc |
| 09:06.07 | colo-work | ~/.mailcap is fine |
| 09:06.07 | apt | colo-work: okay |
| 09:06.11 | jelly | so it's there |
| 09:06.20 | Agiofws | hey do you think MUTT is not reading my ~.mailcap file ? |
| 09:06.31 | colo-work | Agiofws, works for me |
| 09:06.34 | colo-work | (in ~) |
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| 09:07.00 | babilen | Agiofws: Do you have conflicting settings in your ~/.mailcap ? |
| 09:07.12 | jelly | Agiofws: well. Even if it didn't, the global entry should work |
| 09:07.46 | jelly | Agiofws: which debian release, version of mutt package? |
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| 09:07.59 | Agiofws | this is how i start mutt |
| 09:08.05 | Agiofws | /bin/su -c "/usr/sbin/exim4 -bd " ; /usr/bin/fetchmail ; /usr/bin/mutt -f /home/agiofws/mbox |
| 09:08.18 | jelly | wtf |
| 09:08.22 | Agiofws | but i don;t think its relevant |
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| 09:08.46 | jelly | you're right, it's not |
| 09:08.49 | colo-work | my complete ~/.mailcap can be found here, but it's nothing out of the ordinary: http://johannes.truschnigg.info/assets/mailcap |
| 09:09.21 | willemb | babilen do you consider the newsfile to just be a changelog? |
| 09:09.50 | PerfDave | follow davidangell |
| 09:10.25 | nsadmin | NodeX/jelly: a section of my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/S0FEYriK |
| 09:10.37 | babilen | willemb: No, are you after the actual (upstream released) NEWS ? |
| 09:10.37 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/Rl15Hjr1 this is my ~.mailcap ... |
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| 09:11.03 | willemb | babilen I pretty much want to know what the impact of a squueze upgrade will be :-) |
| 09:11.18 | babilen | Agiofws: Does it behave differently if you comment out line 5? |
| 09:11.32 | colo-work | wow, you must be the only person in the universe who's actually using realplayer ;) |
| 09:11.40 | jelly | Agiofws: does it also not work if you move away ~/.mailcap temporarily? |
| 09:11.44 | nsadmin | willemb, approximately 29 newtons |
| 09:12.04 | jelly | colo-work: or used it a decade ago |
| 09:12.11 | babilen | willemb: I am not aware of a command that will show you upstream's NEWS file |
| 09:12.54 | willemb | if NEWS pretty much belongs to upstream, I can get it from the source, don't worry |
| 09:13.01 | nsadmin | that would seem a handy file to include |
| 09:13.07 | Agiofws | ---Attachment: DIMI26 SEP-23 OKT 11.doc : application/msword |
| 09:13.09 | Agiofws | No matching mailcap entry found. Viewing as text. |
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| 09:13.32 | babilen | willemb: Packaging related information can be found in debian/changelog which you can retrieve with "aptitude changelog PKG" |
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| 09:14.10 | nsadmin | Agiofws, I dunno, I guess mutt could try running abiword or something like that |
| 09:14.15 | jelly | Agiofws: are you trying to view it inline, or are you clicking on the attachment in the attachments menu? |
| 09:14.30 | babilen | clicking? :) |
| 09:14.33 | Agiofws | i am pressing v |
| 09:14.40 | Agiofws | and then enter |
| 09:14.49 | jelly | right, so the latter |
| 09:14.56 | nsadmin | can you get mutt to save the attachment |
| 09:15.05 | jelly | nsadmin: you can always do that |
| 09:15.13 | jelly | that's besides the point |
| 09:15.21 | babilen | Agiofws: So that is without your ~/.mailcap ? |
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| 09:15.53 | Agiofws | does not work even with no mailcap in ~ |
| 09:16.40 | Agiofws | though when i press an enter on a html mime type it opens up in chrome |
| 09:16.53 | nsadmin | mutt is a shell program... maybe when run in an xterm it might have access to the DISPLAY var and maybe therefore able to start an x client (for the purpose of viewing the attachment) |
| 09:17.07 | Agiofws | jpeg works aswell |
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| 09:17.29 | nsadmin | what does it do when you view a jpeg? |
| 09:17.34 | Agiofws | it just does not work for ooffice |
| 09:17.42 | Agiofws | it opens gqview |
| 09:18.03 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/177789 |
| 09:18.25 | nsadmin | I believe you :) |
| 09:18.50 | Agiofws | its about stupid M$ again i can just feel it |
| 09:18.51 | Agiofws | :P |
| 09:19.16 | nsadmin | and gqview is an x client? |
| 09:19.25 | Agiofws | [-- Attachment #2: DIMI26 SEP-23 OKT 11.doc --] |
| 09:19.29 | Agiofws | [-- Type: application/msword, Encoding: base64, Size: 630K --] |
| 09:19.35 | Agiofws | [-- application/msword is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] |
| 09:19.39 | Agiofws | no its a picture viewer |
| 09:19.42 | Agiofws | IN X |
| 09:20.27 | Agiofws | A 4 DIMI26 SEP-23 OKT 11.doc [applica/msword, base64, 630K] |
| 09:20.48 | Agiofws | hey can you guys confirm why the appica word is CUT ? |
| 09:20.57 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/177790 |
| 09:21.16 | nsadmin | I was wondering that myself |
| 09:21.35 | colo-work | Agiofws, do you have a file named ~/.mime.types? |
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| 09:22.09 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ls .mi |
| 09:22.11 | Agiofws | .minirc._dev_ttySL0 .mission-control/ |
| 09:22.17 | Agiofws | mission-control ? |
| 09:22.19 | Agiofws | hahah |
| 09:22.46 | nsadmin | model rocketry |
| 09:23.02 | nsadmin | so this IS rocket science... |
| 09:23.21 | Agiofws | this is getting on my nerves |
| 09:23.43 | colo-work | Agiofws, try `echo "application/msword doc" > ~/.mime.types` |
| 09:23.43 | Agiofws | and the mutt geeks on #mutt are not helpfull |
| 09:23.45 | colo-work | then restart mutt |
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| 09:24.39 | nsadmin | will he "lose" default mime types if he does that? |
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| 09:24.57 | Agiofws | does mutt have some kind of kill command to RESTART it or something ? |
| 09:25.12 | colo-work | nsadmin, nope |
| 09:25.22 | Agiofws | maybe its using some kind of Tmp file or something ? |
| 09:25.24 | colo-work | Agiofws, none I'm aware of |
| 09:25.38 | nsadmin | not as far as I know... you just quit mutt and fire it up again |
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| 09:25.59 | colo-work | just to check - you are using mutt-patched from debian, aren't you? |
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| 09:27.15 | nsadmin | did anyone comment on my dmesg fragment? |
| 09:28.22 | Agiofws | colo-work, no i thing i am using normal mutt |
| 09:28.30 | Agiofws | whats with the patches ? |
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| 09:28.40 | FriendlyWisconsi | I can't seem to get RSAA ssh logins working with my debian homeserver. I had it working hours ago but I tried to rsync some data to it and I kept getting an 250 error. Found out I wasn't able to ssh into it anymore because it won't accept my key. I had an existing ssh connection to it open already though so I managed to fix that problem, but I still can't get a passwordless login set up. |
| 09:28.56 | FriendlyWisconsi | Already tried generating new keys and all that, but it didn't work |
| 09:29.13 | FriendlyWisconsi | Double checked my sshd config and all that and it seems to be fine |
| 09:29.16 | colo-work | Agiofws, they are for added awesome |
| 09:29.22 | colo-work | (sidebar et al.) |
| 09:29.23 | FriendlyWisconsi | Permissions are fine as well |
| 09:29.38 | nsadmin | FriendlyWisconsi could the rsync have removed your key? |
| 09:29.44 | FriendlyWisconsi | No |
| 09:30.10 | nsadmin | try ssh-agent bash |
| 09:30.13 | nsadmin | then ssh-add |
| 09:30.23 | FriendlyWisconsi | locally or remotely? |
| 09:30.37 | nsadmin | not sure, most likely locally |
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| 09:31.03 | nsadmin | if you're running X then there should already be an ssh-agent running |
| 09:31.10 | FriendlyWisconsi | Doesn't seem to work |
| 09:31.28 | FriendlyWisconsi | Lemme retart X then |
| 09:31.32 | nsadmin | can you log into the remote? |
| 09:31.34 | Agiofws | colo-work, still even wit mutt-patched |
| 09:31.35 | FriendlyWisconsi | I can |
| 09:31.44 | nsadmin | and with a key pair? |
| 09:31.47 | FriendlyWisconsi | No |
| 09:31.48 | Agiofws | what is the sidebar for anyway ? |
| 09:31.51 | FriendlyWisconsi | I need to use a password |
| 09:32.03 | colo-work | Agiofws, also with your custom ~/.mime.types ? |
| 09:32.12 | nsadmin | you would need a key pair in order to use ssh-agent |
| 09:32.18 | FriendlyWisconsi | I have one |
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| 09:32.31 | colo-work | Agiofws, sidebar: http://people.redhat.com/kzak/mutt/mutt-sidebar.png |
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| 09:32.35 | FriendlyWisconsi | Followed http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
| 09:32.41 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$more .mime.types |
| 09:32.41 | Agiofws | application/msword doc |
| 09:32.43 | FriendlyWisconsi | Like I said, it worked hours ago but now it doesn't want to |
| 09:32.47 | FriendlyWisconsi | No idea why |
| 09:32.53 | nsadmin | is the public key added to remote:.ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 09:32.56 | FriendlyWisconsi | Yep |
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| 09:33.23 | nsadmin | take a look at man ssh, there's a way to make it super verbose |
| 09:33.25 | colo-work | Agiofws, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas then. |
| 09:33.35 | Agiofws | can i send you the doc ? |
| 09:33.38 | Agiofws | to try ? |
| 09:33.53 | colo-work | you'd probably have to bounce the mail to my address |
| 09:34.02 | colo-work | in order for your MUA not to mangle anything |
| 09:34.21 | Agiofws | i'll just send you the doc as an attachment |
| 09:34.27 | Agiofws | if its not a problem |
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| 09:34.56 | colo-work | the problem is that if you do that, your MUA will decode it, base64-encode it again, assign a MIME-type of its own liking, and THEN mail it out. |
| 09:35.12 | colo-work | whatever result I get might not have anything to do with what happens at your end |
| 09:35.16 | Agiofws | i can't open any doc |
| 09:35.20 | Agiofws | ok |
| 09:35.35 | Agiofws | caould you try and send me a doc file ? |
| 09:35.42 | colo-work | I don't have any around :D |
| 09:35.44 | colo-work | wait a sec |
| 09:36.04 | FriendlyWisconsi | debug3: Incorrect RSA1 identifier |
| 09:36.05 | FriendlyWisconsi | Weird |
| 09:36.21 | FriendlyWisconsi | Shouldn't regenerating the key pair have fixed this though? |
| 09:36.55 | nsadmin | if you regenerated the pair, you would need to re-add it to authorized_keys |
| 09:37.00 | FriendlyWisconsi | I did |
| 09:37.27 | nsadmin | and the problem existed before you did that and after? |
| 09:37.30 | willemb | babilen: But finding out what to watch out for when upgrading say, from mysql 5.0 to 5.1 is tricker |
| 09:37.39 | willemb | *trickier* |
| 09:37.51 | FriendlyWisconsi | Yep, I just did it again as well, deleting my local .ssh/ dir as well |
| 09:37.53 | FriendlyWisconsi | Still a problem |
| 09:38.04 | nsadmin | willemb, why, do you use mysql for something? |
| 09:39.25 | nsadmin | well... when you find out why it's asking for password instead of passphrase and you fix that problem, things should work |
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| 09:40.47 | nsadmin | FriendlyWisconsi, it sounds like you're aware of how things work and you're doing all the right things... |
| 09:41.12 | FriendlyWisconsi | Aware enough to get the gist of what's happening at least |
| 09:41.24 | FriendlyWisconsi | For most things, this not bieng one of them |
| 09:41.26 | FriendlyWisconsi | http://pastebin.com/EgSz9JLb |
| 09:42.15 | FriendlyWisconsi | This is what I got with trying to ssh -vvv into my server |
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| 09:43.23 | FriendlyWisconsi | It seems to be a problem with the server, I can tell that at least since I was able to do a passwordless login to my own machine |
| 09:43.45 | nsadmin | is your private key ascii? |
| 09:43.58 | FriendlyWisconsi | No clue. |
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| 09:44.25 | nsadmin | from the messages, it looks like it is |
| 09:44.46 | nsadmin | it looks like it's having trouble parsing the key |
| 09:45.39 | nsadmin | what exactly did you rsync the first time? |
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| 09:46.03 | nsadmin | and, what exactly were you doing when the problem started |
| 09:47.06 | FriendlyWisconsi | I tried "rsync -au /mnt/TB/server/samba server:/mnt/Samba/ --progress" and found it didn't work |
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| 09:48.03 | FriendlyWisconsi | Looked it up on Google and then tried sshing into my server and found out I was being denied access |
| 09:48.08 | nsadmin | so you have something mounted on /mnt on both the local and remote (which you seem to be calling "server" now)? |
| 09:48.15 | FriendlyWisconsi | Like my key was wrong, even though it was the same as before |
| 09:48.40 | FriendlyWisconsi | Yes, but I don't think that's the problem |
| 09:48.52 | FriendlyWisconsi | Prior to all this I had configured things for at least 6-8 hours |
| 09:49.02 | FriendlyWisconsi | So there's a ton of things that could have caused this |
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| 09:49.33 | nsadmin | that's not good... there's no way I can participate in sifting thru all that |
| 09:49.37 | ernst | btw i get the key_read messages here too, but passwordless login works, so that might not be the cause |
| 09:49.38 | FriendlyWisconsi | The narrow it down the two big ones were some init-scripts for rtorrent and minecraft, setting up some things in apache to get rutorrent working, adding two new users (rtorrent and minecraft) |
| 09:49.45 | FriendlyWisconsi | lol, it's fine |
| 09:50.25 | FriendlyWisconsi | Oh, almost forgot |
| 09:50.26 | FriendlyWisconsi | http://pastebin.com/FMdQN5Bt |
| 09:50.29 | FriendlyWisconsi | My sshd_conf file |
| 09:50.42 | FriendlyWisconsi | sshd_config* |
| 09:51.31 | FriendlyWisconsi | hmmm |
| 09:51.37 | FriendlyWisconsi | It seems to be a user problem |
| 09:51.47 | FriendlyWisconsi | I enabled root login and tried it with my root account and it works fine |
| 09:51.58 | nsadmin | btw, can you look at /home/miles/.ssh/id_rsa (don't show anyone that, it's your private key) and see if it looks like an ascii key file |
| 09:52.33 | FriendlyWisconsi | It didn't have any strange characters in it, so it probably was |
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| 09:53.15 | ernst | from your ssh -vvv it seems youre properly offering to authenticate with your pubkey but the server somehow declines |
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| 09:53.34 | ernst | maybe theres something in the servers auth.log? |
| 09:53.44 | FriendlyWisconsi | ernst: It seems to be a problem on the server and only a problem with the account "miles" on it |
| 09:53.56 | nsadmin | hmm. I'm not sure how current ssh works at the moment... but when I last noticed, a ssh-keygen would make a binary file for the private key and an ascii file for the public |
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| 09:55.25 | FriendlyWisconsi | Oct 7 04:54:27 server sshd[1890]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/miles |
| 09:55.28 | FriendlyWisconsi | Derp |
| 09:55.35 | FriendlyWisconsi | I need to check /var/ more often |
| 09:55.44 | FriendlyWisconsi | The ownership and permissions didn't look bad though |
| 09:55.44 | ernst | FriendlyWisconsi: ah was to suggest checking permissions for ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 09:55.59 | ernst | and/or for ~/.ssh |
| 09:56.02 | nsadmin | do you have a file /home/miles/.ssh/id_rsa-pub |
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| 09:56.40 | nsadmin | FriendlyWisconsi hmm, wonder what the parse indications are all about |
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| 09:57.19 | FriendlyWisconsi | http://pastebin.com/5puMGK6E |
| 09:57.29 | FriendlyWisconsi | Here's the permissions locally and remotely |
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| 09:57.58 | ernst | FriendlyWisconsi: and ls -ld ~/.ssh |
| 09:58.12 | ernst | on remote |
| 09:58.35 | FriendlyWisconsi | drwx------ 2 miles miles 4096 Oct 7 04:54 /home/miles/.ssh |
| 09:59.28 | nsadmin | it looks like the remote has 9777 on the home dir |
| 09:59.30 | ernst | FriendlyWisconsi: ugh and ls -ld ~miles |
| 09:59.35 | nsadmin | err 0777 |
| 09:59.44 | FriendlyWisconsi | nsadmin: Yeah, fixed that |
| 09:59.48 | FriendlyWisconsi | Not sure how that happened |
| 09:59.58 | nsadmin | does it work now? :) |
| 10:00.03 | HexaByte | hi all, i have a problem with updating a XEN PV guest. apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install non xen kernel version. How can i mask that non-xen kernel? http://pastebin.com/2GHbKVMN please advise me :-) |
| 10:00.13 | FriendlyWisconsi | drwxr-xr-x 3 miles miles 4096 Oct 7 04:54 /home/miles/ |
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| 10:00.41 | FriendlyWisconsi | Hmm |
| 10:00.48 | FriendlyWisconsi | Yeah it does, it seems the 777 on /home/miles was causing it |
| 10:01.03 | FriendlyWisconsi | Thanks for the help you two |
| 10:01.04 | nsadmin | ok, so locally, try ssh-add |
| 10:01.11 | FriendlyWisconsi | nsadmin: It works, no need to do that |
| 10:01.51 | nsadmin | so it's passwordless because the key has a "" passphrase? |
| 10:02.04 | FriendlyWisconsi | Huh? |
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| 10:02.22 | FriendlyWisconsi | I'm not sure. I'm just using RSAA authentication to avoid having to use a password to log in |
| 10:02.26 | FriendlyWisconsi | Which I disable for security reasons |
| 10:02.38 | FriendlyWisconsi | Not too keen on the specifics of keys and all that |
| 10:02.53 | nsadmin | and when you generated the key, did you give it a passphrase? |
| 10:03.01 | FriendlyWisconsi | But it seems the problem was that I acidentally changed /home/miles to have 777 permisions |
| 10:03.07 | FriendlyWisconsi | Yeah it did |
| 10:03.13 | FriendlyWisconsi | It was doing that the entire time |
| 10:03.16 | ernst | FriendlyWisconsi: usually your ssh key has a password too, and you have the ssh-agent "cache" your pw so you can ssh to your machines w/o pw |
| 10:03.56 | FriendlyWisconsi | I had that set to blank, I forgot why |
| 10:04.08 | FriendlyWisconsi | I remember having problems with it, but I don't remember what |
| 10:04.34 | nsadmin | probably because you wanted to do passwdless entry for the rsync |
| 10:04.43 | FriendlyWisconsi | That and SSH |
| 10:04.46 | FriendlyWisconsi | err |
| 10:04.47 | FriendlyWisconsi | sshfs* |
| 10:05.01 | FriendlyWisconsi | Anyway thanks for the help |
| 10:05.04 | nsadmin | you'd only want those keys in there temporarily (I guess, that's really up to you) |
| 10:05.26 | FriendlyWisconsi | I need to get finished up with this so I dont' starve |
| 10:05.29 | FriendlyWisconsi | Have a nice day |
| 10:06.55 | nsadmin | anyway, I want to figure out what irq 18 is |
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| 10:09.18 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.18 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:10.41 | nsadmin | does that have any indication on what the irq is being used for? |
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| 10:11.27 | colo-work | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:11.36 | colo-work | some of your USB controllers, apparently |
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| 10:12.30 | nsadmin | so if that irq gets shut down, that would mean it switches to polling, true? |
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| 10:36.22 | hjubal | Does anyone use Hp Ultrium LTO 4 or 5? |
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| 10:37.25 | mongrol | hi folks |
| 10:37.50 | mongrol | can anyone tell me why I can see the fglrx-driver in backports on the packages website but can't see it in synaptic? |
| 10:38.31 | petemc | mongrol: do you have backports in your sources.list ? |
| 10:38.58 | mongrol | yep |
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| 10:39.13 | mongrol | I can see, and have installed, opther backports |
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| 10:39.55 | mongrol | hmm, firmware-linux-nonfree is missing too |
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| 10:42.00 | mongrol | its like I have some crazy filter on, or something is corrupt |
| 10:42.15 | HexaByte | hi all, i have a problem with updating a XEN PV guest. member:apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install non xen kernel version. How can i mask that non-xen kernel? http://pastebin.com/2GHbKVMN please advise me |
| 10:42.29 | hjubal | I mean... Is Hp Ultrium LTO 4 or 5 supported by Debian? |
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| 10:49.16 | sanderj_ | Why is my load average 18.00 14.21 12.21, when my processes isn't using more than 20% cpu and memory? |
| 10:51.06 | HexaByte | sanderj_: cause more than 18 concurrent processes are running |
| 10:51.14 | HexaByte | man uptime ;-) |
| 10:51.15 | babilen | sanderj_: i/o probably (iotop and processes in "D" state) |
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| 10:52.49 | sonic | does anyone know why the argus-server package isn't available in squeeze? |
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| 10:58.49 | sanderj_ | Whats debian 3.1 old archive deb sources lines ? |
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| 11:00.23 | babilen | !tell sanderj_ -about sarge |
| 11:00.26 | babilen | !tell sanderj_ -about sarge sources.list |
| 11:00.46 | babilen | sanderj_: Have fun -- Archeology is an interesting field of study ;) |
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| 11:03.04 | zumbi | sonic: maybe #558409 |
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| 11:08.12 | sonic | zumbi: hmm, ok.. seems strange that it's still in the other releases (http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=argus-server) :/ |
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| 11:12.06 | zumbi | sonic: well, it looks like in got fixed after release |
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| 11:12.48 | zumbi | sonic: release managers probably didnt think it was apropiate to release it for squeeze |
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| 11:14.06 | zumbi | sonic: I guess if you want it in squeeze or backports, file a wishlist BR |
| 11:15.05 | sonic | zumbi: ok, thanks |
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| 11:15.47 | Agiofws | hey guys |
| 11:15.56 | Agiofws | i have an issue with icedove |
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| 11:17.24 | Agiofws | though i like it when i use mutt it vanishes all emails from icedove is there a solution for this ; can i make icedove + mutt use the same email folder both retrieving email from gmail ? |
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| 11:23.41 | tvm | agiofws: that completely depends on your settings, but why use two clients at once ? |
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| 11:25.39 | Agiofws | well not at the same time sometimes i like using mutt sometimes i like using icedove ... |
| 11:26.03 | Agiofws | but once i open mutt it deletes everything from icedove |
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| 11:30.10 | gernot | Agiofws, the disappearing mail sounds weird. How does mutt retrieve mail? Do you use fetchmail or something? And is icedove configured for IMAP access? |
| 11:30.37 | Agiofws | i use fetchmail to get mail from gmail within mutt |
| 11:30.45 | Agiofws | i start mutt as |
| 11:31.10 | Agiofws | /bin/su -c "/usr/sbin/exim4 -bd " ; /usr/bin/fetchmail ; /usr/bin/mutt -f /home/agiofws/mbox |
| 11:31.51 | Agiofws | should mutt and icedove use the sam mail flder or something like that ? |
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| 11:31.54 | gernot | Agiofws, there you go. So my guess is fetchmail retrieves your mail via POP and deletes it from the server. Icedove may or may not be accessing Gmail via IMAP. One solution would be to use IMAP with all clients. |
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| 11:32.30 | Agiofws | wait |
| 11:32.52 | Agiofws | so i should use Imap with fetcmail ? |
| 11:33.09 | gernot | Agiofws, alternatively you could try to configure to use icedove with your mbox file. You'd have to try if/how well that works. |
| 11:34.05 | Agiofws | i am using imap with gmail within icedove |
| 11:34.09 | gernot | Agiofws, you wouldn't need fetchmail anymore. You could use either mutt itself to access the IMAP server or use something like OfflineIMAP. |
| 11:34.16 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/177817 |
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| 11:34.38 | gernot | Agiofws, good. |
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| 11:35.54 | Agiofws | ads |
| 11:35.56 | themill | particularly insulting to those of us who have real PhDs. |
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| 11:37.39 | Agiofws | anyone knows why all email messages vanish from icedoves inbox once i open up mutt to retrieve them from gmail ? |
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| 11:38.42 | gernot | I do, I do! |
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| 11:39.22 | themill | Agiofws: perhaps something like "offlineimap" would be useful? (I know that's not really an answer to your question, but a lot of mutt users use it) |
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| 11:40.00 | Agiofws | what does that application do ? |
| 11:40.35 | colo-work | it's a protocol, not an app :) |
| 11:41.08 | PerfDave | offlineimap is an application, not a protocol :) |
| 11:42.04 | Agiofws | my low key guess is that while icedove can read email off gmail with them getting deleted fetcmail Fetches them REALLY and deletes them from gmails server ? |
| 11:42.20 | Agiofws | offlinemap is the man in between :) |
| 11:42.45 | Agiofws | /s/with/without |
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| 11:43.29 | Agiofws | maybe i should set the settings in gmail ? |
| 11:43.36 | Agiofws | or something like that ? |
| 11:44.00 | walterheck | is this the right channel to ask about repackaging (i.e. making a new version or even making some small changes)? I could really use some help.. |
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| 11:44.56 | PerfDave | Agiofws: Fetchmail fetches mail yes. But mutt doesn't need fetchmail. |
| 11:45.08 | PerfDave | Agiofws: You can get mutt to do IMAPS directly |
| 11:45.39 | Agiofws | PerfDave, what is the difference ? |
| 11:45.58 | Agiofws | so fetchmail uses POP ? |
| 11:46.06 | PerfDave | Agiofws: IMAPS works with mail folders on the server, and keeps mail there. Fetchmail pulls mail from the server and removes it. |
| 11:47.11 | Agiofws | PerfDave, SO offline i would not be able to view my (OLD) mail |
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| 12:00.00 | HexaByte | hi all, i have a problem with updating a XEN PV guest. member:apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install non xen kernel version. How can i mask that non-xen kernel? http://pastebin.com/2GHbKVMN please advise me |
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| 12:06.46 | walterheck | is this the right channel to ask about repackaging (i.e. making a new version or even making some small changes)? I could really use some help.. |
| 12:07.58 | jelly | walterheck: this or #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org if you're starting from source. Best just ask your question(s) |
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| 12:11.37 | walterheck | jelly: ok. I want to repackage zabbix-agent and zabbix-server, first of all to have v 1.8.8 (lenny back ports is 1.8.2) and second of all I want to make some changes and serve them from a local repository. This is what I have done so far: http://pastebin.com/ci17d1A6. Now, how do I go about making changes? |
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| 12:16.20 | jelly | walterheck: well. Try the stupid way. Make a tarball for your source and use uupdate to get an updated debian source tree from your 1.8.2 backport source tree and the tarball |
| 12:16.34 | jelly | walterheck: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 12:16.38 | jelly | walterheck: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:16.39 | Agiofws | ok guys i ma trying to set up mutt with imap on gmail but mutt just does not recieve themail can anyone help me out ? |
| 12:16.55 | walterheck | jelly: ok, checking.. |
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| 12:17.37 | petemc | Agiofws: ive configurd that in the past with no issues |
| 12:18.29 | jelly | Agiofws: what happens when you try to change to imaps://imap.gmail.com/ folder? |
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| 12:19.37 | nsadmin | uupdate is part of uuencode? |
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| 12:20.11 | Agiofws | change ? |
| 12:20.25 | Agiofws | this is my muttrc file |
| 12:20.28 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/kJtWQGQB |
| 12:20.49 | Agiofws | how do i change to another folder ? |
| 12:21.04 | Fingolfin | hi there. I have a problem with Debian 6: the login screen (gdm3) does not allow switching keyboard layouts and the locale. I tried for an hour now to find out how to change this, but so far no luck :/. All docs I find are either dated, do not seem to apply to debian, or just tell me that it should "just work" |
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| 12:21.51 | Fingolfin | some more info: the machines until today only had the german locale, so I used "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to add en-UK & en-US (with UTF8). and set en-US as default, so now the login screen is in english by default |
| 12:22.16 | petemc | Agiofws: press c |
| 12:22.34 | jelly | then type in folder name |
| 12:22.39 | Agiofws | is there a special way of showing up new messages in mutt ? |
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| 12:23.22 | Fingolfin | but our machines have different keyboards: US, UK, DE... and I can't convince the login screen to use the right one, it seems to assume a DE layout on all machines :/. |
| 12:23.42 | Fingolfin | also tried installing dpkg-reconfigure and then "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" , selecitng the correct layout on each machine, but not even that helped |
| 12:23.50 | Fingolfin | note: once logged in, switching keyboard layouts works just fine |
| 12:23.54 | jelly | dpkg, tell Fingolfin about keymap |
| 12:24.15 | Agiofws | petemc, is THIS on the WAN or local ? |
| 12:24.22 | nsadmin | Fingolfin, that sounds like it is as it should be |
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| 12:24.43 | nsadmin | once you log in, you can change things about your acct |
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| 12:25.46 | petemc | Agiofws: i use gmail |
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| 12:25.53 | Agiofws | i do too |
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| 12:30.49 | nsadmin | Fingolfin, not sure if keyboard layout is related to locales, especially if it's 1-1 (which in your situation should not be the case) |
| 12:31.47 | colo-work | Agiofws, you'd like mutt to learn IMAP-IDLE (aka "push email"), right? |
| 12:32.12 | nsadmin | if there is not that relation, you should be able to arrange for the keyboard layout to be read at startup; I don't know the details, but it should be possible |
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| 12:33.37 | rikr | hello |
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| 12:33.58 | rikr | what is the "default" mount point for other hard disks? /mnt, /media? |
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| 12:34.25 | jelly | rikr: it's probably a matter of taste more than something dictated by Debian of FHS |
| 12:34.41 | nsadmin | there's not a default, but you can set up a permanent mounting in /etc/fstab |
| 12:34.52 | jelly | I use /media/labelname for external disks and /mnt/foo for internal |
| 12:35.02 | rikr | but a wrong place its "/", not? |
| 12:35.04 | aypea[2] | uses /mnt by default for manual stuff |
| 12:35.14 | jelly | but I also use /mnt/foo for network shares |
| 12:35.16 | nsadmin | not sure what you mean |
| 12:35.36 | Fingolfin | nsadmin: locale and keyboard layout should be independent from each other, and I think that is the case |
| 12:35.47 | rikr | if i mount something in the root, like /newdisk |
| 12:36.01 | ekf | nsadmin, setting permanent ones work for automounted USB devices? |
| 12:36.03 | Fingolfin | just made a discovery: if I enter an invalid username, then *afterwards* gdm suddenly shows popups that allow selecting the keyboard layout etc. |
| 12:36.04 | rikr | i brake the linux directory structure |
| 12:36.07 | nsadmin | if you try mounting something on / and it does it, that's going to do a really great job of making your system unusable, maybe temporarily |
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| 12:36.16 | jelly | rikr: noone is stopping from mounting your Windows D: as /d if you want it |
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| 12:37.20 | rikr | haha, not in "/" sorry, in a directory directly dependent of "/" like "/disk1" |
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| 12:37.28 | nsadmin | ekf, you might be able to either create labels or use uuids for permanent mount points for specific filesystems on specific devices |
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| 12:37.54 | nsadmin | sure, you can mkdir /disk1 (as root) and then mount something there |
| 12:37.59 | robinsmidsrod | how can I make sshd execute a custom shell script after say 3 faulty logins from the same IP and pass the ip to the custom script? |
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| 12:38.17 | Fingolfin | has to correct himself: gdm3 shows a menu at the bottom of the screen which allows choosing language & keyboard layout *while entering the password* but not while entering the username |
| 12:38.20 | nsadmin | as implied, a "mount point" is a dir |
| 12:38.22 | jelly | robinsmidsrod: I'd use fail2ban |
| 12:38.33 | sh00p | How can I make it so that fsck is performed automatically if there are fs-errors while trying to mount during boot? |
| 12:38.37 | sh00p | now i have errors=remount-ro |
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| 12:38.42 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: what is that? |
| 12:38.43 | sh00p | and that's not what I want |
| 12:38.46 | Fingolfin | and it doesn't remember any settings I make... so users apparently are expected to only want to change gdm's language & keyboard layout while entering a password, not while entering a username?! |
| 12:38.54 | jelly | dpkg, tell robinsmidsrod about fail2ban |
| 12:39.06 | rikr | nsadmin: yes, i can, but i don't follow the linux filesystem specification, no? |
| 12:39.20 | nsadmin | sh00p doesn't that already happen? |
| 12:39.42 | ekf | nsadmin, on gnome what is the prefered way, using gnome-mount or just putting a line in /etc/fstab? |
| 12:39.53 | nsadmin | rikr, and you don't have to. all that is -required- of a mount point, is that it be a directory |
| 12:40.04 | jelly | rikr: eh, FHS is not one of Ten Commandments |
| 12:40.15 | lp1 | i can't connect to a netgear dgn1000b via wireless (linksys works fine) - debian stable |
| 12:40.26 | sh00p | nsadmin, it did not... the server i'm working on is in another country |
| 12:40.28 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: I just got my ipset configuration set up, and now it autoblocks IPs for 1 hour that try to scan the SMB/CIFS and SMTP ports on my firewall |
| 12:40.31 | sh00p | i need to make sure it does in the future |
| 12:40.37 | rikr | jelly: where i can go? |
| 12:40.55 | lp1 | i even managed to get 2 kernel oopses due to NULL pointer dereference |
| 12:41.02 | nsadmin | hmm. then you need to be very careful |
| 12:41.18 | robinsmidsrod | now I was thinking that I could do the same for sshd, because there is so much sshd scanning going on - basically what I need to do is call "ipset -A autoblock <ip>" |
| 12:41.29 | lp1 | i only see a message "composite sync not supported" - any ideas? |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | sh00p: if the system knows there is a filesystem error, the fsck will happen |
| 12:42.55 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: I was hoping to avoid a log-scanning utility |
| 12:43.46 | krion | hey guys |
| 12:44.08 | krion | i try to load firmware from an usb stick with the current squeeze debian-installer with no luck |
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| 12:44.29 | krion | when i try to manually mount the usbstick the busybox return: invalid argument |
| 12:44.32 | krion | any clue ? |
| 12:44.34 | sirnicholas | Hi |
| 12:45.09 | nsadmin | sh00p, as long as / is initially mounted read-only, it too can be checked... I'm wondering why it doesn't run fsck as it stands... did someone alter something? |
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| 12:47.04 | nsadmin | maybe the settings in /etc/fstab don't specify when to check what |
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| 12:47.16 | sh00p | hmm |
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| 12:47.33 | sh00p | UUID=7a7e4b2f-d404-4702-8eb9-527a569f326f / ext4 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 12:47.45 | sirnicholas | I'm trying to install debian from a usb stick (network install). I've unpacked the testing boot.img.gz onto a usb drive and then put the mini.iso image on the usb stick. My laptop boots fine, but the installer cannot find the mini.iso image. Further, when trying to mount the hard drive from the shell they cannot be found (sda and sdb). |
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| 12:48.28 | sh00p | I know it can be checked if its mounted ro, but the thing is, I can't tolerate somebody having to go there manually to do it |
| 12:48.53 | nsadmin | sh00p, that's all of fstab? |
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| 12:49.06 | sh00p | yeah, and proc |
| 12:49.14 | DammitJim | what vnc client do you guys recommend? |
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| 12:49.23 | krion | vncviewer |
| 12:49.26 | nsadmin | and this is a remote server? |
| 12:49.26 | sh00p | I didnt partition it :) dont blame me |
| 12:49.36 | sh00p | yeah it is |
| 12:49.39 | DammitJim | ty kir |
| 12:49.41 | nsadmin | oh, ok, well... :) |
| 12:49.41 | DammitJim | krion, |
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| 12:50.35 | sh00p | I've had to spend a whole day passing commands over the phone to a guy who doesn't know squat about linux in order to get back in contact with it |
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| 12:52.53 | nsadmin | hopefully the disk isn't full or nearly so... with only one partition (as you may know), there's lots of stuff that makes files grow, creates new files, etc etc) |
| 12:53.11 | sh00p | it's got like 3.5 gigs left out of 4 in total |
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| 12:53.31 | sh00p | and its only running openvpn |
| 12:53.41 | nsadmin | that's plenty of free space |
| 12:53.42 | sh00p | so it's gonna take a couple of years for the logs to grow out of the disk |
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| 12:54.00 | sh00p | what happened now was probably that some guy just pulled the power, corrupted the fs |
| 12:54.05 | sh00p | and then it went into single user mode |
| 12:54.17 | sh00p | and everything was mounted ro |
| 12:54.32 | sh00p | and on top of that the isp had changed its dns-servers |
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| 12:54.43 | sh00p | so everything was lovely |
| 12:55.25 | nsadmin | it might be a good idea for them to use dhcp to feed static IPs and dns servers |
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| 12:55.40 | sh00p | i dont think the isp offers dhcp |
| 12:55.46 | nsadmin | having said that, one thing you might do is run a dns server |
| 12:56.20 | nsadmin | and don't use their servers at all |
| 12:56.29 | sh00p | i put it to use opendns now |
| 12:56.59 | nsadmin | that'll work |
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| 12:57.30 | sh00p | but it's weird with the fs... cause I know my laptop for example runs fsck automatically if there are errors |
| 12:57.38 | nsadmin | (otoh, if that server were say a mail server, you really should run a dns on the same machine so lookups are very fast) |
| 12:58.01 | sh00p | its a firewall with embedded stuff on the other side.... so no real users |
| 12:58.04 | colo-work | nscd is calling |
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| 13:00.03 | nsadmin | you've inherited a multitude of issues... |
| 13:00.10 | yann2 | hello! I m having a hard type findnig the partition type for a dmcrypt partition, any hint? :( |
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| 13:01.17 | sh00p | nsadmin, indeed |
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| 13:01.48 | da13371 | I did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", then "update-grub". Do I need to do anything else before I reboot? (dont have physical access to this server, so have to get this right or pay colo staff) |
| 13:02.35 | nsadmin | da13371, no, reboot and see if it's in there at the top |
| 13:02.56 | sh00p | check the grub.cfg/menu.lst and see which is default |
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| 13:03.13 | tvm | yann2: it should be probably normal linux 83 |
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| 13:03.42 | HexaByte | hi all, i have a problem with updating a XEN PV guest. member:apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install non xen kernel version. How can i mask that non-xen kernel? http://pastebin.com/2GHbKVMN please advise me |
| 13:03.43 | da13371 | sh00p: the linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is at top |
| 13:03.51 | sh00p | and default is 0 ? |
| 13:04.14 | da13371 | sh00p: yes. before i reboot - how do i get a list of installed packages? |
| 13:04.22 | sh00p | dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:04.22 | dpkg | sh00p: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:04.32 | sh00p | you can check the usual to be sure.. you have a /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:04.36 | sh00p | you have a /boot/initrd |
| 13:04.38 | yann2 | tvm, ok, thanks, that explains why I didnt find one ;) |
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| 13:05.39 | abrotman | da13371: that's generally suffiient .. and that version isn't the one you care about .. it's the actual package version |
| 13:06.05 | Humle91 | hey is it still possible to download debian 5, i cant find it on the debian main page, or im just to stupid to find it |
| 13:06.25 | nsadmin | you mean lenny? |
| 13:06.25 | da13371 | sh00p: all those checks pass - thx |
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| 13:06.35 | da13371 | abrotman: not sure i understand what you are advising |
| 13:06.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Humle91 about install lenny |
| 13:07.00 | da13371 | what exactly does update-grub do? |
| 13:07.14 | nsadmin | da13371, installing the linux-image package (as you did) should run grub-update |
| 13:07.22 | themill | Humle91: of course, now is the time to be putting your lenny->squeeze upgrade plans into action, not making new installations of lenny :) |
| 13:07.38 | abrotman | da13371: cat /proc/version .. see the full version string? that's the one that matters |
| 13:08.22 | da13371 | abrotman: well right now, it's running 2.6.19-rc1-1-486 - i've been trying to get it to run the 686 kernel |
| 13:08.59 | da13371 | abrotman: previously it was running linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 |
| 13:09.24 | da13371 | abrotman: it's a Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ processor |
| 13:09.37 | da13371 | da13371: how do i figure out which kernel i should run for that? |
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| 13:11.10 | da13371 | nsadmin: i did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686", then rebooted, but i hadn't done "update-grub" so it booted back into "linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7". I manually edited menu.lst to make it "default 0" instead of "default 2", and rebooted, and server wouldn't boot |
| 13:11.50 | da13371 | nsadmin: i paid colo to boot it into grub option three (2.6.19-rc1-1-486) |
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| 13:12.07 | themill | What's the preferred way of setting the MAC address on boot these days? (static ip configured in /e/n/interfaces) |
| 13:12.08 | da13371 | nsadmin: and i've now run "update-grub" |
| 13:12.33 | da13371 | nsadmin: obviously, im worried about rebooting it again now |
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| 13:16.20 | s0n00b | i need to free up some space and....apt is using about a gig of space with all its indexes and what not |
| 13:16.30 | s0n00b | can i remove /var/cache/apt-xapian-index/ what is it |
| 13:17.10 | gimpy0138 | Does anyone know if the bonding mode balance-rr workd with multiple switches? |
| 13:17.16 | sh00p | I don't know about xapian-index but i've removed /var/cache/apt with no problems |
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| 13:17.46 | themill | s0n00b: "apt-get clean" will remove the downloaded .debs. Unless you have an insane sources.list, the rest will not take much space at all. |
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| 13:19.39 | s0n00b | man, freaking google was disobeying my robots.txt and filled up my drive in logs and then my mysql crashed |
| 13:19.43 | da13371 | my server has a Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ processor - does anyone know how i figure out which kernel package i should be running for that? |
| 13:19.44 | s0n00b | and now i cant even find where all the space is used |
| 13:19.59 | dTal | I have a pre-existing intel soft raid, and the debian installer not only shows the mirror as a proper disk, it shows each partition on that mirror as its own disk as well (each with a single parition). Which one should I tell it to install to? |
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| 13:20.32 | themill | s0n00b: hmm... google is actually quite good at obeying robots.txt. Use their webmaster tools to check what it plans to do. |
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| 13:20.56 | s0n00b | yeah well this time they ignored it |
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| 13:21.20 | walterheck | jelly-home: seems like the stupid way (uupdate) is getting me quite far, thanks! |
| 13:21.21 | s0n00b | and im not signing up for google./... |
| 13:22.14 | s0n00b | how come every package i try to remove says it isnt installed or its virtual and cant be removed |
| 13:22.17 | themill | s0n00b: I'd take a punt that you have a dodgy robots.txt or that you changed it while the site was being crawled. (they obviously only check for robot.txt occasionaly) |
| 13:22.31 | s0n00b | nah |
| 13:22.37 | s0n00b | google straight up disobeyed it |
| 13:23.16 | themill | wanders on to find a different brick wall to talk to |
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| 13:23.26 | s0n00b | i guess i deserve it for doing the same thing to them before |
| 13:23.28 | dTal | s0n00b: Obviously it's too late for that one instance, but I would check the logs to see where google was looking for it |
| 13:23.44 | dTal | and to make sure it 404 because of dodgy permissions or something |
| 13:23.51 | s0n00b | nope |
| 13:23.52 | dTal | *it didn't |
| 13:24.05 | s0n00b | i deleted all the logs because i had 0 space |
| 13:24.22 | s0n00b | what is a virtual package and how do i remove it |
| 13:24.50 | dTal | A virtual package contains no data and exists solely to pull in dependencies. |
| 13:25.11 | dTal | There's no point in removing it, but you can do so the same as any other package. |
| 13:25.42 | nsadmin | if you've been using aptitude, removing the virtual package will also remove its deps |
| 13:25.57 | ronr | hi, I'm looking for a debian package that will create a 3d surface based on a series of discrete x,y,z coordinates, anyone knows a package I could check out? |
| 13:26.14 | jelly | dTal: that's a metapackage. A virtual package exists only as Provides: in other real packages. |
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| 13:26.30 | dTal | jelly: oh woops |
| 13:26.36 | nsadmin | ronr, you mean like povray.org? |
| 13:26.42 | da13371 | abrotman sh00p nsadmin: server didn't come back online. :-( how i figure out which kernel package i should be running for Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ processor? if linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is something that should be working, any ideas what i am doing wrong here? |
| 13:26.42 | dTal | same difference haha |
| 13:27.07 | jelly | s0n00b: what's your real issue |
| 13:27.11 | themill | nsadmin: err... no it won't. |
| 13:27.48 | dTal | Anybody know about this fakeraid thing? |
| 13:27.55 | nsadmin | it won't? I thought that was the point of aptitude versus apt-get |
| 13:27.58 | ronr | nsadmin: that looks way too sophisticated, I just have a bunch op x,y,z points that I want to plot and create a surface between, much like k3dsurf does, but with discrete data instead of functions |
| 13:28.38 | dTal | ronr: meshlab |
| 13:28.39 | sh00p | da13371, i'd be suprised if it wasnt i686 compatible |
| 13:28.46 | themill | nsadmin: (a) both apt-get and aptitude track automatic removal of dependencies, (b) virtual packages don't actually exist -- they cannot be installed or removed. |
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| 13:28.58 | nsadmin | maybe you write a function that outputs the discrete data and use the k3surf thing |
| 13:29.05 | da13371 | sh00p: right? why's it not booting? :-( |
| 13:29.24 | ronr | dTal: I'll give meshlab a try, thx |
| 13:29.50 | themill | ronr: /msg dpkg plotting |
| 13:29.53 | nsadmin | themill, so, I guess both myself and the original questioner were using the wrong terminology? |
| 13:30.04 | dTal | ronr: you doing point cloud stuff? That's what meshlab is for |
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| 13:30.16 | dTal | if you're doing data plotting it's probably not quite what you want |
| 13:30.25 | sh00p | thats hard to say da13371 , do you have someone on site you can tell you whats on the screen? |
| 13:30.27 | sh00p | (if any) |
| 13:30.50 | themill | nsadmin: given that the questioner likes to rant and not provide information, anything could be the case there. (but it would seem that he is really talking about virtual packages) |
| 13:30.58 | da13371 | sh00p: MIGHT be able to see it with the p.o.s. excuse for a kvm they put on it - stand by |
| 13:31.04 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 13:31.20 | ronr | dTal: it's data plotting, I'll check out the packages dpkg told me as well |
| 13:32.13 | dTal | well, I daren't install to either of these in case I screw up |
| 13:32.16 | nsadmin | what are they tho? if they don't exist, can't be installed or removed, (dunno how to finish this sentence) |
| 13:32.32 | s0n00b | hwo do i find the largest packages installed |
| 13:32.37 | s0n00b | somehow im using 4GB of space |
| 13:32.40 | s0n00b | on a server |
| 13:32.43 | themill | dpkg: tell nsadmin about virtual package |
| 13:33.09 | themill | takes away s0n00b's enter key |
| 13:33.10 | dTal | s0n00b: I wouldn't do it by package, I would use one of those programs that breaks down disk use |
| 13:33.14 | themill | s0n00b: /msg dpkg installed |
| 13:33.36 | dTal | you've probably got a big bucketload of temp files somewhere |
| 13:33.39 | nsadmin | so mta is a virtual package provided by all the mtas |
| 13:33.44 | nsadmin | for example |
| 13:33.54 | s0n00b | yeah i cant figure it out, it says im using 4gb but du only says 1gb |
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| 13:34.15 | s0n00b | ok it says 2.8gb |
| 13:34.20 | s0n00b | but df says 4gb |
| 13:34.28 | dTal | Also on what kind of server is 2 gigs of disk use a problem? |
| 13:34.44 | s0n00b | debian server |
| 13:34.46 | nsadmin | one that has only 2.1g storage? |
| 13:34.57 | s0n00b | 4.8 |
| 13:35.00 | dTal | nsadmin: not a server I'd like to admin :D |
| 13:35.08 | themill | s0n00b: feel free to start providing details rather than making us guess |
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| 13:35.15 | s0n00b | du / -s -h says 2.8G used |
| 13:35.22 | s0n00b | df -h says 4G used |
| 13:35.30 | nsadmin | that could depend on what the server is doing |
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| 13:35.39 | s0n00b | its doing nothing |
| 13:35.43 | s0n00b | its all crashed |
| 13:35.48 | dTal | Well, yeah, if it's a gateway then no big |
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| 13:35.56 | nsadmin | what's its purpose? |
| 13:36.12 | dTal | But it's a public facing web server by the sound of it |
| 13:36.13 | s0n00b | how do i figure out what depends on boost....boost is freaking huge |
| 13:36.32 | themill | s0n00b: did you restart daemons when you deleted their log files? |
| 13:36.33 | dTal | in which case you probably want more than a few gigs |
| 13:36.39 | dTal | for precisely this reason |
| 13:36.39 | nsadmin | probably a dood idea for such to run a dns |
| 13:36.52 | s0n00b | ive rebooted it |
| 13:37.02 | s0n00b | i moved the logs to another partition |
| 13:37.13 | s0n00b | i still dont have enough space to start mysql though |
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| 13:37.44 | dTal | s0n00b, stupid question, is there some reason why you can't just buy a terabyte drive |
| 13:37.54 | dTal | not being funny or anything |
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| 13:38.01 | dTal | it's just that they're only about 50 quid |
| 13:38.05 | s0n00b | becuase that would be like 6000 dollars a month |
| 13:38.08 | s0n00b | ERROR 126 (HY000) at line 1: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_27a8_0.MYI'; t |
| 13:38.09 | s0n00b | ry to repair it |
| 13:38.24 | s0n00b | oh wtf |
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| 13:38.36 | s0n00b | no wonder....why is /tmp/ of the 'overflow' fileystystem |
| 13:38.36 | dTal | maybe, if you bought a terabyte SSD and replaced it every week |
| 13:38.51 | themill | s0n00b: because there's not enough space on the real system at boot time |
| 13:38.51 | s0n00b | when did this crap happen... |
| 13:39.02 | s0n00b | hmm ok i should reboot then |
| 13:39.04 | s0n00b | again |
| 13:39.10 | s0n00b | thanks |
| 13:39.50 | dTal | is still wondering when a terabyte drive cost 6 grand a month |
| 13:40.00 | karel_ff | Does anyone have experience with setting up a package repository? |
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| 13:40.46 | karel_ff | When installing a package you can specify a version (apt-get install mypackage=1.5) |
| 13:41.15 | karel_ff | But when I use reprepro to add a newer version of mypackage, the old version gets removed |
| 13:41.46 | karel_ff | Would it suffice to specify --keepunreferencedfiles when running reprepro to keep the file, |
| 13:42.15 | s0n00b | jesus, how can it not locate libboost to remove |
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| 13:42.31 | karel_ff | or do I need some other approach to have multiple versions in the repository? |
| 13:42.55 | s0n00b | wow removing all of boost frees up 32kb |
| 13:42.58 | s0n00b | great |
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| 13:43.11 | da13371 | does anyone know how to determine which kernel i should be running for a "Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+" processor? |
| 13:43.13 | AthomIk | hello |
| 13:43.50 | AthomIk | da13371: uname -a ? |
| 13:44.23 | AthomIk | da13371: amd64 is good for this i think |
| 13:44.42 | s0n00b | how do i get a list of the largest packages installed |
| 13:44.49 | da13371 | AthomIk: nope - i was running linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 - need something other than that for upgrade to squeeze |
| 13:45.19 | da13371 | This new Sempron processor has the 64-bit instructions activated, which makes it a true Athlon 64 CPU but with less memory cache. So you can think of Sempron 3400+ as a âlight versionâ of Athlon 64 3200+. |
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| 13:45.58 | da13371 | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is suprisingly not working |
| 13:46.14 | s0n00b | i really need to free up some space |
| 13:46.19 | petern__ | and amd64? |
| 13:47.00 | AthomIk | da13371: are you tunning bios for cached core ? |
| 13:47.00 | petern__ | btw "mobile sempron 3400+" is a bit vague. there are several versions of it |
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| 13:48.12 | da13371 | petern__: just reporting what /proc/cpuinfo says - what specific information do you need?> |
| 13:48.28 | sh00p | da13371, what did you see on the screen? |
| 13:48.31 | sh00p | why didn't it boot |
| 13:48.41 | themill | s0n00b: on a server, it's highly unlikely that space will be freed by removing packages, unless you did something silly like install gnome on it. |
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| 13:48.52 | da13371 | AthomIk: i dont know - the idiots at the colo are using a kvm that relies on the system's power, so i cant get into the bios, because the colo staff and customer service are worthless |
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| 13:49.10 | s0n00b | themill, i found what happened... |
| 13:49.20 | da13371 | sh00p: the colo took the kvm away before ticket was closed :-( can't see it |
| 13:49.28 | s0n00b | themill, i guess the crowbar server was downloading all kinds of .part files to my /tmp/ ... |
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| 13:49.37 | s0n00b | not sure why |
| 13:49.45 | AthomIk | s0n00b: remove all in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:49.55 | sh00p | you could try hooking a serial console to it, modify some grub kernel params |
| 13:50.03 | sh00p | frickin hassle though |
| 13:50.11 | petern__ | AthomIk, "apt-get clean" is a safer way of saying that, no? |
| 13:50.43 | s0n00b | well im back to 1.2G used with 3.6G avialable...now to figure out why crowbar is doing this |
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| 13:51.03 | AthomIk | petern__: well done i think |
| 13:51.14 | k-man | which kernel should I install for an intel core2 duo cpu? |
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| 13:51.49 | sh00p | i'd stay away from the 64 bit stuff |
| 13:51.56 | colo-work | eh? |
| 13:51.57 | petern__ | amd64 |
| 13:51.58 | colo-work | are you crazy? |
| 13:52.12 | AthomIk | apt-get clean yes is the best way. |
| 13:52.12 | colo-work | a 32bit system is not worthy of 2011. |
| 13:52.12 | sh00p | i guess :) |
| 13:52.30 | scressi | anyone know rsyslog very well? |
| 13:52.36 | sh00p | at home yeah, i'd run 64 bit all the time |
| 13:52.39 | sh00p | at work, ni |
| 13:52.40 | sh00p | no |
| 13:52.58 | petern__ | why? |
| 13:53.20 | sh00p | all of a sudden i need to run some old binary we dont have the source for |
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| 13:53.45 | petern__ | ia32-libs... |
| 13:54.09 | petern__ | and if it's really old then you'll be needing unavailable libs too anyway |
| 13:54.55 | MaXim_ | VM |
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| 13:56.28 | dTal | I see no reason not to use 64 bit in this day and age |
| 13:56.41 | MaXim_ | low memory? |
| 13:56.56 | colo-work | because of pointer size? come on... |
| 13:57.04 | dTal | when are you gonna have a 64 bit machine that tight on ram |
| 13:57.21 | MaXim_ | maybe an old sparc or alpha machine |
| 13:57.40 | dTal | Oh come on you know what I meant |
| 13:57.47 | dTal | Those are seperate arches anyway |
| 13:57.55 | dTal | I mean on a x86_64 |
| 13:58.11 | Ryushin | What rdesktop/freerdp frontend is everyone using? I was using tsclient, but it has not been updated since 2008. |
| 13:58.31 | MaXim_ | the latest atoms support amd64 |
| 13:58.38 | MaXim_ | but might not have much memory |
| 13:58.56 | dTal | I still think it's not liable to make much difference |
| 13:59.15 | MaXim_ | Ryushin: im using remmina |
| 13:59.15 | dTal | certainly falling in the realm of "premature optimisation" |
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| 13:59.55 | Ryushin | MaXim_: I'll check it out. |
| 14:00.29 | colo-work | Ryushin, xfreerdp served me well whenever I needed to use RDP (which is rarely) |
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| 14:01.23 | Ryushin | colo-work: Unfortunately, I have to connect to windows servers every day. So using a shell rdp client can get a bit cluttered. |
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| 14:02.43 | colo-work | well, I've seen vinagre, reminna and krdc in action |
| 14:02.47 | colo-work | all seemed capable |
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| 14:03.59 | MaXim_ | what is the point of using amd64 if you never want to address more than say, 3gb of memory |
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| 14:04.29 | dTal | computational efficiency |
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| 14:04.41 | Vanscot | Mornings... I have some problems with an udev rule that it's meant to disable my touchpad. |
| 14:04.57 | dTal | some tasks are a dog on 32 bit |
| 14:04.59 | Vanscot | Let me nopaste my rules.. |
| 14:05.08 | MaXim_ | "some" :P |
| 14:05.19 | MaXim_ | on the other hand, some might be slower on 64 |
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| 14:07.12 | Vanscot | http://pastebin.com/4V0MJWBF |
| 14:07.24 | Vanscot | But it says that it cannot connect to the X server. |
| 14:07.47 | Vanscot | -> No protocol specified Failed to connect to X Server. <- |
| 14:07.59 | Vanscot | :q |
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| 14:08.44 | Vanscot | I've tested the rule and works, synclient does try to disable the touchpad, but seems like X doesn't allow it. |
| 14:09.24 | themill | Vanscot: is that the actual location of your Xauthority? (it's not with gdm3) |
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| 14:09.40 | Vanscot | Mmm, I'm using gdm3.. |
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| 14:10.04 | Vanscot | An echo $XAUTHORITY does return another location.. |
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| 14:23.56 | Innocentus | anyone? :/ |
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| 14:27.26 | Innocentus | Is there a command with which a debian package can be reinstalled completely? |
| 14:27.39 | Innocentus | Or missing files fixed? |
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| 14:28.58 | colo-work | Innocentus, apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 14:29.15 | colo-work | alternatively, apt-get purge <package> && apt-get install <package> |
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| 14:29.21 | colo-work | (warning; purge kills off config files) |
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| 14:29.49 | Innocentus | I tried both |
| 14:29.52 | Innocentus | just in that moment |
| 14:30.00 | Innocentus | but the damn pdo.so is still missing |
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| 14:30.19 | Innocentus | on another installation the pdo.so is right in place |
| 14:31.51 | Innocentus | colo-work: any other commands left? :/ :( |
| 14:32.25 | Innocentus | ah, I know - I will check the channel logs |
| 14:33.10 | k-man | how do I install the virtualbox guest aditions? |
| 14:33.18 | babilen | Innocentus: Which package did you reinstall? |
| 14:33.24 | babilen | ,file pdo.so |
| 14:33.28 | judd | Search for pdo.so in squeeze/i386: php5-common: usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/pdo.so; php5-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/pdo.so |
| 14:33.29 | Innocentus | php5-mysql |
| 14:33.49 | babilen | Innocentus: Looks as if you want php5-common (did you delete that file?) |
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| 14:34.40 | Innocentus | right |
| 14:34.43 | Innocentus | aptitude reinstall php5-common |
| 14:34.45 | Innocentus | did the trick |
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| 14:35.12 | babilen | !tell Innocentus -about apt-file |
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| 14:35.24 | babilen | Innocentus: Splendid! Have a nice day :) |
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| 14:37.26 | Innocentus | thank you people |
| 14:37.28 | Innocentus | bye |
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| 14:56.25 | iman | hi, how can i change between AC and Battery mode in debian ? |
| 14:56.33 | abrotman | unplug the AC? |
| 14:57.17 | iman | abaddon, when I unplug ac the machine goes down |
| 14:57.29 | iman | abaddon, sorry |
| 14:57.37 | iman | abrotman, when I unplug ac the machine goes down |
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| 14:59.55 | abrotman | then your battery is dead? |
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| 15:00.19 | nsadmin | won't hold a charge? |
| 15:00.44 | tharkun | iman: does your battery led blink or has an unusual color? |
| 15:02.12 | tharkun | usually modern (5 years) laptops have some type of cirtcuit to detect battery problems? |
| 15:02.29 | babilen | iman: Does it shutdown the system gracefully or is it just *snip* â dead? |
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| 15:02.50 | iman | no, it's ok, when I recently installed debian after installation the battery has finished and machine goes shutdown and I plug the AC and turn on machine, now the battery is during charging very good and it's full now, but when I unplug AC the machine going down |
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| 15:02.57 | dokma | should /etc/hostname contain FQDN or just the hostname? |
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| 15:03.13 | dokma | I have just the hostname atm and it all functions flawlessly on a production server |
| 15:03.18 | babilen | dokma: just the hostname |
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| 15:03.29 | nsadmin | what do you mean "the machine going down"? |
| 15:03.34 | dokma | babilen: are you sure? |
| 15:03.41 | windparadise | hello good morning all, what command is use to locate file(s) in a system? |
| 15:03.43 | iman | nsadmin, hibernate |
| 15:04.05 | babilen | iman: Is it immediately turning off or does it shutdown gracefully? (as it would do if you run "shutdown -h now" or so) |
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| 15:04.10 | babilen | dokma: yes |
| 15:04.15 | iman | tharkun, it has during change icon |
| 15:04.16 | dokma | babilen: thank you! |
| 15:04.34 | babilen | !tell dokma about hostname |
| 15:05.08 | iman | babilen, how can i to do now ? |
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| 15:05.36 | iiiii | ibam is a nice utility for checking battery info |
| 15:05.41 | babilen | iman: Please answer my question -- If it is immediately turning off then I would suspect that your battery is dead. |
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| 15:06.07 | iiiii | or looking in /sys/xxx i forgot the path |
| 15:06.52 | iman | babilen, the battery charged correctly |
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| 15:07.37 | iman | babilen, it's changed has been finished and it's shuting down |
| 15:07.41 | babilen | iman: yes, but is the computer off as soon as you remove the AC cable? |
| 15:07.57 | iman | babilen, yes |
| 15:07.57 | babilen | brb |
| 15:08.43 | babilen | iman: Does the computer work if you start it with *only* the battery inside or does it *only* work when the AC cable is plugged in? |
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| 15:08.54 | babilen | brb (really) |
| 15:09.20 | iman | babilen, I didn't try it |
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| 15:09.44 | nsadmin | after you do try it, you can answer that question |
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| 15:10.06 | windparadise | euh, pls how do I completely wipe out roundcube and roundcube-mysql in the system |
| 15:10.12 | windparadise | I did apt-get remove |
| 15:10.19 | windparadise | but it left some config files out |
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| 15:10.58 | colo-work | configs that are created at runtime won't get purged, because apt doesn't know about their existence |
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| 15:12.28 | windparadise | any answer pls? |
| 15:12.50 | wooden | windparadise: apt-get remove --purge [package] |
| 15:13.06 | blackmath | anyone know how to send messages to notification-daemon like you would with notify-send? Trying to get a shell script to pop up notifications. |
| 15:13.18 | themill | windparadise: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 15:14.24 | wooden | Is there a traditional Unix environment variable to define an image viewer? Something like the way $EDITOR is expected to define your text editor. |
| 15:14.49 | pipeline | wooden: not that I know of |
| 15:15.14 | dTal | wooden: traditional UNIX environments don't have GUIs :p |
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| 15:15.23 | wooden | dTal: Touche. |
| 15:15.53 | pipeline | traditional unix environments certainly have GUIs |
| 15:16.02 | pipeline | X11 pre-dates modern unix |
| 15:16.38 | pipeline | and before X11 there were proprietary window systems per-vendor |
| 15:16.55 | colo-work | pipeline, care to name one? |
| 15:16.58 | pipeline | wooden: there is the www-browser 'alternative' in /etc/alternatives, which I guess is pretty close |
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| 15:17.52 | nsadmin | wooden traditionally, unix is text |
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| 15:19.04 | pipeline | colo-work: sunview (sun), 4sight (sgi), VUE (hp), wmgr (apollo), mgr (at&t) |
| 15:19.15 | pipeline | colo-work: there were a bunch of them. Literally every vendor shipped a different window ystem. |
| 15:19.35 | pipeline | a lot of them were network transparent, too. |
| 15:20.06 | colo-work | interesting. |
| 15:20.15 | pipeline | also before window systems |
| 15:20.18 | pipeline | there were graphical terminals |
| 15:20.24 | colo-work | I always thought project athena was one of the first windowing systems |
| 15:20.52 | pipeline | athena pre-dates x11 also :X |
| 15:21.11 | colo-work | project athena is what X11 evolved into, right? |
| 15:21.24 | pipeline | huh not as far as I know |
| 15:21.25 | dTal | well this is the thing, the concept of a GUI, and its various implementations, has never been consistent enough for standard environment variables to evolve |
| 15:21.40 | dTal | even today the GUI experience is constantly changing |
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| 15:21.43 | colo-work | ah I see, Athena is a superset of X1 |
| 15:21.45 | colo-work | X11 |
| 15:21.48 | pipeline | when they did finally standardize the GUI, they standardized on CDE |
| 15:22.18 | sirnicholas | Hi, is there any way I can use the testing netinstall cd image on a usb stick? |
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| 15:22.33 | pipeline | and there was no point in having an environment variable for an image viewer, you would just call dximagevew or whatever directly ;) |
| 15:23.37 | pipeline | at any rate I'm grateful for all that stuff to be gone. Debian ships a truly free and unencumbered X11 with a variety of fine window systems. |
| 15:23.40 | pipeline | err managers |
| 15:23.48 | dTal | however iirc there is a reasonably "standard" system for defining default applications, although it's not based around env vars |
| 15:24.18 | themill | wooden: perhaps you were wanting something like xdg-open |
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| 15:31.45 | Vib3 | hi |
| 15:31.51 | Vib3 | where i could get deb packages for ati driver 11.6 for squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 15:33.36 | starenka | hi how can i set resolution for system without x? |
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| 15:35.32 | Joelito | starenka, in which DE? |
| 15:35.52 | propman | Quote: "install squashfs-modules for your kernel and either aufs-modules or unionfs-modules before you install remastersys" These aren't in aptitude. Thoughts appreciated. thanks :) |
| 15:36.19 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: I created a script that attached to rsyslog and automatically blocks a user by adding them in an ipset - https://gist.github.com/1270550 |
| 15:36.34 | starenka | Joelito: squeeze |
| 15:36.41 | robinsmidsrod | jelly: if they try to brute force attack sshd |
| 15:36.45 | robinsmidsrod | like it? |
| 15:36.49 | Joelito | starenka, DE = Desktop Environment :) |
| 15:36.55 | starenka | Joelito: i tried vga switch to kernel in grub(2) |
| 15:37.04 | starenka | Joelito: i have no DE (no X) as i said |
| 15:37.06 | starenka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:37.21 | wuffi600 | hi. |
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| 15:37.53 | Joelito | ow :p, well, I think the vga is the propper way, you need to see if the current kernel uses vga as cmdline and what are their possible values |
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| 15:39.19 | wuffi600 | what can i do if "aptitude update" can't download "Translation-en_US.bz2" because the mirror does not offer the file? I do not need any translations...: "W: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/pub/linux/debian/dists/lenny/main/i18n/Translation-en_US.bz2 Connection failed" |
| 15:39.48 | Joelito | starenka, what resolution do you want to use? |
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| 15:40.13 | pipeline | dTal: yes, "alternatives" in /etc/alternatives. See also the man page for "update-alternatives" |
| 15:40.20 | Joelito | wuffi600, mirror down? |
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| 15:40.26 | pipeline | sirnicholas: there absolutely is. In fact I think on the newest CDs, you can dd the iso image directly to the stick. |
| 15:41.06 | wuffi600 | Joelito: no no, the mirror is up. I guess i can trick the things by setting a different $LANG |
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| 15:41.52 | SimonSimCity | In this tutorial you can read something about chroot environment for ssh. The tutorial talks about server- and user-chrooting ... |
| 15:41.53 | SimonSimCity | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 15:41.53 | SimonSimCity | Question: Can I combine these two? The tutorials says no - but I think it must be possible to chroot the server to /home/ and the user to /home/$user |
| 15:42.33 | wuffi600 | Joelito: in deed, this mirror does not offer the en_US FIles |
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| 15:43.59 | wuffi600 | Joelito: "LANG=en_UK.UTF-8 aptitude update" works perfectly |
| 15:44.09 | starenka | Joelito: its fine now, you just set GRUB_GFXMODE= and then GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep and it;s okay |
| 15:44.33 | Joelito | good :) |
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| 15:49.51 | wuffi600 | where can i find mirrors for old releases, let's say etch |
| 15:49.55 | project2501a | hey guys, is there a how-to setup exim4 really quick? i just wanna tell it "go ahead and accept mail, but just limit it to this range of IPs" |
| 15:50.08 | babilen | !tell wuffi600 about archive |
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| 15:50.36 | petemc | project2501a: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:50.56 | project2501a | petemc: thanks :) |
| 15:51.00 | petemc | np |
| 15:51.23 | project2501a | i will read the exim book tomorrow |
| 15:51.37 | project2501a | just don't feel like breaking open 500 pages right now. |
| 15:51.42 | project2501a | i'd rather eat and watch a movie |
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| 15:53.11 | wuffi600 | babilen: thank you. but how can i find mirrors to use as apt-lines in sources.list? |
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| 15:53.45 | wuffi600 | babilen: e.g. ftp://ftp.archive.debian.net/debian etch main contrib |
| 15:54.23 | themill | dpkg: tell wuffi600 about etch sources.list |
| 15:54.36 | Levende | needing to compile a kernel for use in booting my diskless nodes, but the latest kernels have just about /everything/ enabled by default, and it takes longer to disable everything than it does to compile. Are there stripped down .configs avalible for kernel varieties? |
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| 15:55.28 | wuffi600 | themill, babilen: thank you a lot |
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| 15:56.56 | teclo- | Hi where can I find security updated for Etch ? They aren't or archive.debian.org, nor on security.debian.org ... ? |
| 15:57.17 | PerfDave | teclo-: Etch doesn't get security updates, it's too old. |
| 15:57.27 | teclo- | PerfDave: ah yes, right.... |
| 15:57.51 | PerfDave | Lenny is oldstable, gets security updates until Feb 2012. |
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| 15:59.26 | teclo- | but, yeah, etch doesn't get security updates since 2010 because it was released in 2007. But, here I got an "historical" machine running Etch and it has not been powered since 2008. Perhaps is there some way to apply Etch security updates that appeared between 2008 and 2010 ? |
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| 16:00.14 | unkmar | I have a question that I don't even want to ask. |
| 16:00.28 | unkmar | Is there an AOL for debian or linux in some way? |
| 16:00.41 | teclo- | heh aohell |
| 16:00.42 | unkmar | I've got some stubborn customers that just gotta have their AOL software. |
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| 16:01.09 | teclo- | stubborn ? stubborn and stupid, rather |
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| 16:01.16 | unkmar | If there definately isn't, then they will just endup in a VM. |
| 16:01.25 | harovali | it's just me or console-fonts substitution by kbd is a mess ? |
| 16:01.31 | teclo- | unkmar: perhaps could you be more explicit about what you mean by "AOL for debian or linux" ? |
| 16:01.37 | harovali | s/consolefonts/consoletools/ |
| 16:01.53 | themill | teclo-: it adds "me too" onto random files throughout the filesystem |
| 16:02.19 | unkmar | teclo-: I mean the entire AOL experience. That crappy browser email integrated thing that abuses most of your screen realestate. |
| 16:03.04 | teclo- | unkmar: oh yeah, that horrible and buggy piece of crap^W software that came on free CDs in the late nineties ? Where you click here and there and nothing woks ? |
| 16:03.30 | Psychonaut | i have 2 interfaces on my computer. I want to share the internet connection trhu MASQUERADING. So, i've used # iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.27.80.0/24(my eth1 LAN address) -o eth0(my internet interface) -j MASQUERADE, but my other computer dont connect. I've already enabled ip forwarding. Any idea? |
| 16:03.34 | AthomIk | i search a way for my ati 4200, a debian way |
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| 16:03.47 | teclo- | unkmar: couldn't it possible for your users to, you know, use that thing called their mind, to kinda, you know... realize that AOL is first crap, and second, completely outdated crap |
| 16:03.52 | unkmar | yep, that would be the one. With the extra features of.. Financing online through AOL's portals and such. |
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| 16:04.11 | iman | how can I change proxy details in iceweasel, it appear that it's not have proxy setting |
| 16:04.32 | unkmar | teclo-: unfortunately, not these particular bags of bones. |
| 16:04.43 | AthomIk | iman: network |
| 16:04.57 | unkmar | teclo-: they have money and ain't afraid to use it. The really stupid kind. |
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| 16:05.31 | iman | AthomIk, very strange, i have not network menu anywhere |
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| 16:05.58 | teclo- | unkmar: they got money and they're stupid ? Ouch. But well, why don't they you know, buy luxury watches, instead of harassing you to get AOL to "work" ? |
| 16:06.41 | simonlnu | they proxy *everything* |
| 16:06.59 | iman | are there application for handle connection proxy? |
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| 16:07.52 | unkmar | ok, so I assume that you don't know if there is an AOL for linux |
| 16:08.06 | simonlnu | why would there be? |
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| 16:10.07 | AthomIk | iman: edition -> preferences -> réseau in french translate now :D |
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| 16:11.36 | iman | i don;t have one, i just have General - Font & Style - Privacy - language Menu in Preferences |
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| 16:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: That makes no sense, AOL is not an application, it's a service. |
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| 16:14.38 | wuffi600 | are there any ways to sandbox better then via chroot environment? maybe with control over networktraffic in and outo the box? |
| 16:15.14 | AthomIk | iman try to set proxy in .profile like bsd |
| 16:15.55 | wuffi600 | userland-kernel? |
| 16:15.59 | iman | AthomIk, do you now an application to handle all proxy internet connection program? |
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| 16:17.39 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: many people still install AOL 9.x whatever software. It is a software that uses a service. |
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| 16:18.07 | unkmar | so, with my current personaly frustrations as such a high level, I will leave. |
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| 16:18.12 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: No, it's a branded web browser. |
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| 16:19.29 | AthomIk | iman google for --- > http_proxy= |
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| 16:19.52 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Yes, there are web browsers available in Linux. You can even customize them with AOL branding. |
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| 16:20.55 | syntaxx | is it possible to preserve LVM during the preseed? |
| 16:21.29 | archman | is this valid? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ADgG4SUY (wanting to install uswsusp from testing with using apt-pinning. |
| 16:23.36 | archman | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VfebzbMp |
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| 16:23.41 | archman | sources.list |
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| 16:26.29 | rgouveia | does anyone know what's this new icon for notifications near the date in gnome2 that hit debian testing a few weeks ago? It seems to aggregate all applications notifications |
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| 16:32.42 | archman | anyone here knows anything about apt pinning (using stable with pinning testing)? |
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| 16:34.04 | tables | i'm looking for a doc or anything that works to set up https on apache2 |
| 16:34.11 | Guest50056 | archman: You shouldn't mix stable with anything but backports -- For more information on pinning "/msg dpkg pinning" (read in particular the errata) |
| 16:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | !ssl |
| 16:34.22 | tables | debian lenny |
| 16:34.22 | dpkg | Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
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| 16:34.50 | tables | argh, that doesn't tell me |
| 16:35.01 | PerfDave | tables: Check httpd.apache.org ? Basically "a2enmod ssl" and then follow the instructions :) |
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| 16:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | tables: The system is in transition from single-cert to accomodating named multi-host systems and the documentation, as usual, lags. |
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| 16:43.00 | mmaksimov | Hello everyone. I've got a notebook without optical drives and a USB drive with Debian6.0.1a netinstall. I've used this very dongle to setup Debian on two desktops without optical drive and everything was ok, however on this notebook the installer fails at "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step. A quick google session didn't yield anything useful on the first page. Any suggestions? |
| 16:43.30 | archman | why does apt-get/aptitude ignore my "preferences" file? |
| 16:43.35 | archman | (squeeze) |
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| 16:50.51 | windparadise | hello, pls which free/open source WHM system with user account control as well as billing do we have in debian? |
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| 16:55.41 | windparadise | any answer pls? |
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| 16:57.44 | dondelelcaro | windparadise: dtc, and others. apt-cache search billing; or apt-cache search control panel |
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| 16:58.40 | connor_ | hey would anyone know of a good guide in how to set up a good proxy server on a debian vps |
| 16:59.57 | iman | when i want to update iceweasel i face this error, what it's problem ? W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 16:59.58 | dondelelcaro | connor_: depends what you want to proxy |
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| 17:00.58 | dondelelcaro | !apt-key 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 17:00.58 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 85A3D26506C4AE2A ; gpg --export 85A3D26506C4AE2A | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:01.14 | dondelelcaro | iman: ^^^ (after verifying that 85A3D26506C4AE2A is actually the correct key for mozilla.debian.net) |
| 17:01.22 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: i would like to proxy http/https traffic, and torrents, and have it all be encrypted |
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| 17:01.43 | dondelelcaro | connor_: so use a vpn |
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| 17:02.00 | dondelelcaro | connor_: though it won't be encrypted as soon as it exits |
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| 17:02.43 | Na_Klar | the graphical installer asks me for software to install. In regard to "SQL-Database", which db is that? MySQL? |
| 17:02.50 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: thats fine, well i would think https would still be, but ya |
| 17:02.53 | themill | Na_Klar: postgres |
| 17:02.57 | Na_Klar | ty |
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| 17:03.14 | Na_Klar | and, btw, "E-mail server", which one is that? |
| 17:03.23 | themill | Na_Klar: as a general rule, those options in tasksel aren't very useful with the exception of "standard task" |
| 17:03.41 | Na_Klar | i see |
| 17:03.59 | Na_Klar | so, "stantard tools" should be enough? |
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| 17:04.15 | Na_Klar | and ssh-server cannot be wrong, can it? |
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| 17:05.08 | iman | dondelelcaro, so, what is lately iceweasel version? |
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| 17:06.34 | iman | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110323 Iceweasel/3.5.16 (like Firefox/3.5.16), it means my iceweasel is very old, yes ? |
| 17:06.35 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: what vpn software would you recommend? |
| 17:06.59 | dondelelcaro | connor_: openvpn |
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| 17:07.01 | hanibana | hi. Can Bind have ACLs (like allow-query) for specific records of a zone? |
| 17:07.06 | dondelelcaro | iman: in what? |
| 17:07.10 | iman | because of firefox latest version is 7 |
| 17:07.31 | dondelelcaro | ,versions iceweasel |
| 17:07.32 | iman | so, the latest version of iceweasel is 7 |
| 17:07.32 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-10~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-10; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-10; sid: 7.0.1-2; wheezy: 7.0.1-2; experimental: 8.0~b1-1 |
| 17:07.43 | jhutchins_lt | Karaj |
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| 17:08.09 | iman | jhutchins_lt, are you living in karaj ? |
| 17:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Nope. |
| 17:08.29 | jhutchins_lt | !mdn |
| 17:08.29 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 17:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | Mozilla is playing silly games with version numbers. |
| 17:09.14 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: does openvpn need to be installed client side as well? |
| 17:09.30 | dondelelcaro | connor_: yes |
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| 17:10.24 | mmaksimov | Hello everyone. I've got a notebook without optical drives and a USB drive with Debian6.0.1a netinstall. I've used this very dongle to setup Debian on two desktops without optical drive and everything was ok, however on this notebook the installer fails at "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step. A quick google session didn't yield anything useful on the first page. Any suggestions? |
| 17:10.29 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: hmm, i was looking for a proxy service that wouldn't need any client side configuration other than domain, username and password |
| 17:11.02 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: and i assumed encryption would be handled similiar to https |
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| 17:11.36 | dondelelcaro | connor_: every proxy needs client side configuration; some of them are just built in to things like web browers, but all of them require it |
| 17:12.07 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: ahh okay i misunderstood |
| 17:12.26 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: so is openvpn compatible with utorrent and firefox? |
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| 17:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | connor_: They have nothing to do with eachother. |
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| 17:13.38 | dondelelcaro | connor_: openvpn is capable of proxying all traffic |
| 17:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: I don't think vpn and proxying should be confused. |
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| 17:15.12 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: yes i agree, i only want a proxy |
| 17:15.44 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: you can use a VPN to proxy |
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| 17:16.05 | PerfDave | mmaksimov: I'd look on linux-laptops.org or whatver the site is these days for hte model of notebook you've got. |
| 17:16.07 | connor_ | jhutchins_lt: would you know of a good guide for settings up an https proxy? |
| 17:16.29 | ulaek | Woopiwoop. New laptop! <3 Time to flash that Windows-installation. ;) |
| 17:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | connor_: All I know about proxying is that squid is the most popular system. |
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| 17:16.59 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Do you attend the university there? |
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| 17:17.18 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: a vpn would be good if i was the only user, but i would like to have a proxy and give out accounts, if software needs to be installed client side then it is too cumbersome |
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| 17:17.53 | iman | jhutchins_lt, no, i living there |
| 17:17.56 | connor_ | jhutchins_lt: hmm, i will read more into squid |
| 17:19.19 | connor_ | dondelelcaro: thank you for your help |
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| 17:24.34 | alazare619 | can someone tell me where to find the folder the extensions for iceweasel are stored? |
| 17:25.14 | acu | alazare619: in /home/alazare619/.mozzilla something |
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| 17:25.35 | acu | you can browse using nautilus and choose to see hidden files |
| 17:25.44 | alazare619 | what if i wana place the addon as a system wide one? |
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| 17:25.57 | acu | hey guys - is 6.03 ready today ? |
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| 17:26.56 | Craigwd_2000 | Alazare619: Actually it's in ~/.mozilla... |
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| 17:27.17 | alazare619 | i see that but im still trying to figure out how to place the addon as a system wide |
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| 17:27.54 | alazare619 | say i just have the *.xpi |
| 17:28.06 | alazare619 | where can i p lace it to make it system wide rather then adding a path in /etc/skel |
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| 17:28.54 | Craigwd_2000 | Maybe you'd install it as root in iceweasel but I don't know if it would work like that or not... |
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| 17:30.09 | iman | iceweasel sucks, it's very very slow and in hanging mode at version 7.0.1 |
| 17:30.28 | alazare619 | not for me so id prefer to keep your opinion in #opinion |
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| 17:30.55 | Bushmills | iman: try disabling firefox extensions |
| 17:31.15 | megaTherion | Hi, I've some strange problem after safe-upgrading this system - it doesnt connect via wpa_supplicant - I can see it in the processes, however if I kill it and manually type the cmd it works |
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| 17:31.35 | MrGeneral | Folks, it seems that its not possible to login to my pptp server with the same account in multiple computers, is there any way to get this? |
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| 17:32.33 | ws2k3 | hello guys i'm building a server and i was wandering for top network preformence does it matter if i use the onboard nic or a good hp/intel nic or what do u advice? |
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| 17:33.17 | alazare619 | anything not realtek based |
| 17:33.44 | Bushmills | gigabit ethernet? |
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| 17:34.24 | pipeline | ws2k3: most systems don't have enough I/O capability to reach the limits of their network |
| 17:34.30 | pipeline | ws2k3: so I wouldn't sweat it too hard. |
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| 17:43.52 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: depends entirely on what the onboard chipset is. |
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| 17:52.49 | Craigwd_2000 | Jhutchins_lt: That & it won't work right if you're only internally wired for either Cat-5 or Cat-5e... |
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| 17:53.26 | jhutchins_lt | !confuse Craigwd_2000 |
| 17:53.27 | dpkg | No, how are their pineapple yesterday, Craigwd_2000? Wellies of the Monarchy of Micronesia with extra anchovies. |
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| 17:54.11 | windparadise | hello, pls do I need to install fastcgi php to my debian server? |
| 17:54.22 | babilen | windparadise: Not necessarily |
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| 17:54.48 | windparadise | ok, thx |
| 17:55.02 | Craigwd_2000 | That's so funny Jhutchins_lt but I'm still not very impressed by what dpkg just said... |
| 17:55.18 | Craigwd_2000 | Is it a joke or something...? |
| 17:55.29 | babilen | windparadise: But I do not see why you ask this. It is *your* decision what you install and we can not tell you what you need. |
| 17:55.31 | EyesIsMine | !confuse |
| 17:55.41 | EyesIsMine | :- |
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| 17:55.47 | EyesIsMine | !confuse EyesIsMine |
| 17:55.47 | dpkg | No, who is your ferret yesterday, EyesIsMine? Pants of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra herring. |
| 17:55.58 | windparadise | euh, I am setting a basig hosting server, |
| 17:56.25 | windparadise | where I can see there is mod php already but I have seen additonal configuration to specify fastcgi path |
| 17:56.41 | windparadise | and i was confused, that's why I asked the question earlier |
| 17:57.53 | Craigwd_2000 | Although some Cat-5e cabling that pre-Cat-6 is thick enough to work in Gigabit Ethernet mode too... |
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| 17:58.13 | Craigwd_2000 | that's pre-Cat-6* |
| 17:58.39 | babilen | windparadise: You do not *have* to use fastcgi, but you can. The decision is yours. As I am (luckily?) not a PHP dev or admin I can not comment on the merits of using mod_php vs mod_fcgid. You might want to discuss this in a php channel. |
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| 17:59.14 | windparadise | ok |
| 17:59.25 | Craigwd_2000 | Isn't there a #php for that...? |
| 17:59.27 | windparadise | well, I am offering a hosting account to users |
| 18:00.42 | Craigwd_2000 | #php channel* |
| 18:00.55 | bzed | windparadise: are you sure you want to provide *hosting* if you don't even know the basics? |
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| 18:03.52 | gnarface | i installed apt-cacher-ng and then set it as my proxy on several machines - but only stuff in security.debian.org is being cached... wtf? |
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| 18:10.22 | el_seano | I'm trying to add a repository from the cli using 'add-apt-repository' and it appears to not like my syntax |
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| 18:10.52 | el_seano | the repo itself is through http, and known to work elsewhere |
| 18:11.00 | el_seano | and I really don't want to resort the GUI :0 |
| 18:11.17 | el_seano | anybody have any pointers on syntax? The man page and -h flag are kind of sparse |
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| 18:14.05 | babilen | el_seano: You could also just edit /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directly with an editor of your choice. I've never used add-apt-repository. Please note that we do not support third-party repositories. What are you trying to achieve/install? |
| 18:14.46 | el_seano | babilen: I was really just hoping to use add-apt-repositories so as to avoid having edit sources.list |
| 18:15.10 | el_seano | it's this repo we have set up at my work, and normally our installs have the repo prepackaged. |
| 18:15.35 | el_seano | er... preseeded |
| 18:16.06 | el_seano | anyway, I thought I had remembered adding it through the apt script, but i may have dreamt it |
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| 18:17.45 | babilen | el_seano: Well, looks as if add-apt-repository does nothing else than 'echo "deb http://THEREPO FOO BAR" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' so there is no need to use this particular tool. (Why even package it?) |
| 18:18.02 | el_seano | shrugs |
| 18:18.31 | babilen | el_seano: I would, however, personally recommend to add a vendor specific file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which contains your repository |
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| 18:18.49 | el_seano | that sounds good |
| 18:19.17 | babilen | el_seano: It is easier to remove/change that way as you only have to deal with the content you ship yourself. |
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| 18:25.34 | superstraw | Does anyone know what I'm trying to do here: %s/.*\d{24}$/\d{24}$/g |
| 18:25.40 | superstraw | it doesn't quite work like i expect... |
| 18:26.18 | superstraw | i'm trying to chop off numbers at the beginning of the line, 24 digits from the end. |
| 18:26.37 | superstraw | basically to make the line 24 digits. |
| 18:26.49 | superstraw | vi for debian btw :) |
| 18:27.03 | Dulak | anything followed by 24 digits, but you regexed the replacement too, so it has no idea what to replace it with |
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| 18:27.28 | superstraw | hmm. |
| 18:27.38 | superstraw | so I shouldn't use %s eh |
| 18:27.54 | Dulak | %s means all lines, search |
| 18:28.31 | Dulak | the problem is in the replacement, you don't regex that, you want a back reference |
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| 18:29.00 | superstraw | how do i do that? the numbers are going to be random per line, more or less |
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| 18:30.15 | Dulak | superstraw: you use () around the group(s) you want to backreference in the regex, then reference them in the replacement as \1 \2 \3 etc in the order they appear in the regex |
| 18:30.22 | superstraw | ah |
| 18:30.40 | zambaboo | hey guys, here's my partman script: http://pastie.org/2656902 - my home partition ends up filling up the disk. what am i doing wrong here? |
| 18:30.54 | superstraw | ty Dulak i will read about that. |
| 18:31.09 | Dulak | superstraw: you probably need \( and \) in the regex, I think vim wants them escaped |
| 18:31.20 | superstraw | i believe it does |
| 18:31.24 | superstraw | want them that way |
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| 18:46.19 | kian | why does debian include all of the ip6-* lines in /etc/hosts? what requires them? |
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| 18:46.52 | jhutchins | kian: ipv6 |
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| 18:47.16 | Dulak | kian: it's for ipv6 deployments, which will get more and more common in the future |
| 18:47.16 | ttuttle | hey, how do I get apt to not install exim4 because I want mutt? |
| 18:47.33 | ttuttle | can I install a different mailer and have it use that without having to manually remove the one it installs? |
| 18:47.42 | rww | ttuttle: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 18:47.45 | Dulak | ttuttle: exim is the mail server, mutt is the mail client, they are nothing alike |
| 18:47.45 | ttuttle | apt-get |
| 18:47.49 | kian | Dulak, jhutchins: i know its for ipv6, but why are they necessary? why not just "::1 localhost" |
| 18:47.50 | ttuttle | Dulak: I am quite aware. |
| 18:47.54 | ttuttle | Dulak: I did apt-get install mutt |
| 18:47.59 | ttuttle | Dulak: and it wanted to install exim4 as a dep |
| 18:48.02 | rww | ttuttle: apt-get --no-install-recommends install mutt |
| 18:48.09 | rww | i think it's a recommend, anyway |
| 18:48.19 | Humle91 | hmm, shouldnt debian 5 be able to install sun-java5-jdk ? |
| 18:48.22 | rww | yes |
| 18:48.29 | rww | to it being a recommend, that is. sorry. |
| 18:48.30 | ttuttle | rww: thanks! |
| 18:49.37 | Dulak | kian: they are just convenient shortcuts for the most commonly used subnets in ipv6, I don't think they are necessary, they just make for easy to remember names |
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| 18:49.56 | kian | Dulak: thx |
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| 18:56.28 | Humle91 | can someone tell me why apt-get install sun-java5-jdk doesnt work in debian 5 ? says it should on the net |
| 18:57.28 | totte | Apache loads sites-enabled in alphabetical order, right? When I enter my server IP into the browser I get site "a" which is set to sub.totteweb.com, but would rather have it display site "b" which is www.totteweb.com. What is a recommended way to go about this? |
| 18:57.40 | jhutchins | ,versions sun-java5-jdk |
| 18:57.42 | judd | Package: sun-java5-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1.5.0-22-0lenny1 |
| 18:58.06 | totte | i.e. to have all wildcard subdomains be directed to tottesweb.com/www.totteweb.com |
| 18:58.08 | jhutchins | Humle91: Looks like you need to enable non-free |
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| 18:58.44 | Dulak | totte: pretty sure apache considers sites in the order they are listed in the config, and it's either the first or last that is default. (think it's the first) |
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| 19:00.17 | Humle91 | oki jhutchins |
| 19:00.23 | Dulak | Humle91: what version you on? For squeeze it's java5-jdk instead of sun-java5-jdk and it's in non-free as jhutchins mentioned |
| 19:00.31 | Humle91 | debian 5 |
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| 19:00.53 | totte | Dulak: Yeah but I've got a handful of virtual hosts, the thing is that in aplhabetical order stats.totte.com is "default" when I'd rather have it be totte.com or www.totte.com. :S |
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| 19:01.04 | jerware | hi |
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| 19:01.45 | jerware | afer leaving my computer run for a long period of time (after waking up), I loose internet connectivity. even attempting to dhclient eth0, I still can't ping 8.8.4.4 |
| 19:01.48 | jhutchins | totte: Can you think of a way to get the configuration files to sort in a different order? |
| 19:01.52 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 19:02.04 | mah454 | I need PDF Document for TProxy ... |
| 19:02.08 | jerware | I get it back after rebooting the machine. |
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| 19:02.18 | Dulak | totte: I have not run apache for a couple years but I distinctly remember it being config order, not alphabetical at the time. |
| 19:02.20 | jerware | BUt I don't want to keep rebooting. |
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| 19:02.56 | Dulak | jerware: wireless? |
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| 19:03.31 | sirEgghead | i'm running an intel motherboard with a core i5 sandybridge cpu. i'd like to install my geforce 9500gt pcie card. i hooked it up earlier and debian would not boot up. obviously there are driver issues. should i install the nvidia drivers for the card and try again? or is there some other configuration i need to take care of first? |
| 19:03.36 | jerware | Dulak: |
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| 19:04.04 | jerware | Dulak: no like I said, I attempt to dhclient eth0. |
| 19:04.33 | totte | Having a look at the configs again to see what order they are in. The word I was looking for is "catch-all", like, wildcard or non-existant sub domains are sent back to the "real" site. |
| 19:05.02 | jerware | I do have a wlan0 too but my eth0 id directly connected to the cable modem, and my wifi router off. the default gateway (according to the route command) does Not point at my wifi router anyway. |
| 19:05.03 | Dulak | jerware: eth0 is wireless for me, ymmv. When you said wake up did you mean come out of hibernate or wake up from sleep mode, or what? |
| 19:05.20 | jerware | Dulak: as in me coming out of hibernate |
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| 19:05.40 | jerware | I let my computer run all night, the next morning there's no internet connectivity with out rebooting. |
| 19:05.46 | Dulak | jerware: I had that problem too, let me see if I can find the page with the fix |
| 19:06.34 | jerware | I noticed there were dhclient processes running in the backround. I killed those, but the dhclient attempt still didn't work after that. maybe those are the culprit. |
| 19:06.34 | superstraw | Dulak: I wanted to truly thank you for your help with my previous vi question... i've been struggling with that for weeks. cheers! |
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| 19:07.17 | Dulak | superstraw: np |
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| 19:09.10 | sirEgghead | any video card gurus around here today? :) |
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| 19:10.29 | pipeline | sirEgghead, it doesn't really work that way |
| 19:10.34 | pipeline | ask a specific question and see if anyone bites |
| 19:10.51 | pipeline | if you want to ask questions like "any $FOO gurus at hand?" be prepared to spend $100-$500 an hour |
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| 19:11.00 | cusco__ | hi |
| 19:11.04 | sirEgghead | pipeline, i asked the specifics first. just thought i'd try that method as well :) |
| 19:11.10 | cusco__ | I have a problem... my home server has a disk full |
| 19:11.15 | cusco__ | and I can't ssh in |
| 19:11.20 | cusco__ | and I have no keyboards lying arround |
| 19:11.27 | cusco__ | any ideas? |
| 19:11.38 | pipeline | cusco__: serial terminal |
| 19:11.41 | Dulak | jerware: I can't seem to find it, but it came down to '/etc/init.d/networking restart' after every resume. I had to add that command to a file somewhere but I didn't document it at the time. |
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| 19:12.39 | cusco__ | pipeline: how? |
| 19:12.47 | Dulak | jerware: the next time it happens try running that restart command as root and see if it fixes the problem, if so you can add it to a file somewhere to happen whenever the computer resumes. Looking for the file |
| 19:13.10 | totte | Dulak, jhutchins: Nevermind that, I was being absentminded, a wildcard alias in the "default" vhost solved it. |
| 19:13.14 | pipeline | cusco__: something you would have wanted to set up in advance... |
| 19:13.15 | totte | Thanks though. :) |
| 19:13.26 | cusco__ | well, I'm too late |
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| 19:15.46 | Dulak | jerware: on lenny it's in /etc/pm/sleep.d but that's not correct for squeeze |
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| 19:16.56 | rnigam | hi i am having issues with doing apt-get install libstdc++ . It complains that The following packages have unmet dependencies: libstdc++6-4.4-dbg : Conflicts: libstdc++6-4.3-dbg but 4.3.5-4 is to be installed libstdc++6-4.4-doc : Conflicts: libstdc++6-4.3-doc but 4.3.5-4 is to be installed E: Broken packages. Can help me get around this. I am using Debian Squeeze's xen kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 19:20.21 | quitte | rnigam: the kernel is unrelated. did you add packages from a leter distro and then go back to squeeze? |
| 19:21.02 | quitte | rnigam: also why would you even want to explicitly install libstdc++? |
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| 19:25.51 | rnigam | quitte: I instaled open64 compiler from a deb file (converted from rpm using alien). Do you think that might be the cause? Please look at this for more details: http://pastebin.com/CthDvCZN |
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| 19:27.32 | quitte | rnigam: yes. thats the cause. |
| 19:27.32 | quitte | rnigam: or maybe not |
| 19:27.36 | quitte | install libstdc++6-dev instead |
| 19:28.14 | quitte | rnigam: probably not the cause. i somehow thought it came with a libstdc package |
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| 19:30.09 | Vbitz | how do i downgrade a package using apt-get and a snapshot repo |
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| 19:30.58 | rnigam | quitte: any idea how I can fix this? or which direction I am supposed to go in .? |
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| 19:35.19 | quitte | rnigam: doesn't install of libstdc++6-dev work? |
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| 19:35.43 | quitte | rnigam: libstdc++6-4.4-dev |
| 19:36.13 | quitte | oh. already ... |
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| 19:38.50 | rnigam | quitte: http://pastebin.com/YDqBsEh3 . I just ran a locate command... Could you see the link and suggest further. |
| 19:40.08 | quitte | rnigam: find the rpm that contains the libs and install that,too |
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| 19:40.40 | pasquale | hello guys i have a question, why did you decide to fork away from ubuntu, because it is a pretty cool distro |
| 19:40.42 | Pinchiukas | This is my console output: http://pastebin.com/9QvGvum1 Why is it not booting? |
| 19:41.00 | pasquale | i like ubuntu but i dont understand this fork debian |
| 19:41.03 | pasquale | was it needed |
| 19:41.09 | pasquale | why dont you work on ubuntu instead |
| 19:41.49 | pasquale | also why did you name your ubuntu fork "debian" |
| 19:41.57 | pasquale | ubuntu is a pretty cool name |
| 19:42.04 | pasquale | and their site and forums is way better |
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| 19:42.16 | rnigam | quitte: you mean the rpm for open64 compiler libs or the libstdc++ libs? |
| 19:43.10 | quitte | rnigam: looks to me like it expects to find its own libstdc++ |
| 19:43.23 | pasquale | i guess ubuntu is already working |
| 19:43.30 | pasquale | without this stdc++ problem |
| 19:43.51 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.55 | JohnPrimeXXL | lol |
| 19:43.59 | JohnPrimeXXL | agreed |
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| 19:44.46 | JohnPrimeXXL | in 1993 there was Ubuntu and in 2011 Debian forked from Ubuntu... |
| 19:45.07 | quitte | and in 2011 some people still feed the trolls |
| 19:46.26 | quitte | he's got a point,though |
| 19:46.30 | quitte | rnigam: http://wiki.open64.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ubuntu |
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| 19:46.43 | JohnPrimeXXL | I can't let anyone (even a troll) starve ;) |
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| 19:48.26 | rnigam | quitte: so just apt-get remove the present .deb installation and build all the libraries manually then ! |
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| 19:49.39 | quitte | rnigam: that looks like it should work. |
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| 19:51.17 | Daemonik | Does anyone here use LVM in a production environment? If so, what do you use LVM for? |
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| 19:51.47 | daemonkeeper | For Logical Volume Management (yes! really!) |
| 19:51.50 | quitte | someone does. they use it for managing partition sizes. |
| 19:51.58 | Daemonik | Should my swap partition go in LVM? |
| 19:52.00 | ws2k3 | hello guys i'm building a server and i was wandering for top network preformence does it matter if i use the onboard nic or a good hp/intel nic or what do u advice? |
| 19:52.23 | daemonkeeper | You can install everything in a LVM, if you want. |
| 19:52.58 | Daemonik | ws2k3, onboard or dedicated card doesn't matter so much, what matters is what's on the board or what's on the card. If you want good network performance, look into jumbo frames. Do you need redundancy on layer-2 (switch/NIC failure without downtime?) |
| 19:53.38 | ws2k3 | how u mean jumbo frames? |
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| 19:54.23 | Daemonik | daemonkeeper, well yeah, I can do anything, if I want :-P my question is, is it best practice to have a boot partition and then dedicate the rest of the disk (in this case, a logical disk, backed by software RAID1) to be a "physical volume" for LVM? In what real-world scenario is LVM advantageous over having the rest of the logical disk be one big partition / filesystem that the root of the filesystem is mounted on? |
| 19:54.26 | quitte | bigger packets so a better ratio of data to control information |
| 19:55.15 | daemonkeeper | LVM is especially handy if you need to manage partitions a lot, e.g. if you need to create/resize/remove partitions a lot, or you need full disk backups. |
| 19:55.20 | quitte | Daemonik: there is no best practice. think about what you need now and might need in the future and pick a solution that meets your needs |
| 19:55.27 | Daemonik | ws2k3, look up jumbo frames, they are packets larger than the "standard" size of 1500 bytes. Typically (on most hardware) jumbo frames are 9000 bytes in size. With jumbo frames your packets are bigger, and your servers can move more data with less packet-processing overhead. |
| 19:55.32 | Daemonik | quitte, |
| 19:55.40 | Daemonik | I'm not sure what the future will bring :-P |
| 19:56.11 | Daemonik | quitte, Suppose I want to resize my swap partition in the future, would placing the swap partition and the root filesystem in LVM make sense? How difficult is it with LVM to resize both swap and the root file system at the same time? |
| 19:56.19 | quitte | llvm helps there. also a filesystem that can do online resizing |
| 19:57.15 | quitte | Daemonik: having partitions in lvm makes sense,yes ;) |
| 19:57.22 | harovali | hi, I installed cups in debian Squeeze, and I can't manage for guests to authenticate to this host to be able to print. The error in the guest is 'cannot open connection - Connection refused', the error in the server error_log is 'cupsdAuthorize: Empty Basic password!' and 'cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 7 (Authentication failure)!'. How can I solve this ? |
| 19:57.29 | Daemonik | quitte, ext4 can do online resizing, yes? Is it stable? |
| 19:57.33 | quitte | or volumes,rather |
| 19:58.09 | quitte | Daemonik: i might cause a flamewar. but i still like reiser3. ext4 resizing is crazy slow |
| 19:58.17 | quitte | especially shrinking |
| 19:58.23 | quitte | but it's very safe |
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| 19:58.56 | ws2k3 | Daemonik so it doesnt matter if i use a realtek Gb onboard card or a intel/hp card? |
| 19:59.33 | ws2k3 | networking is the most important part of my server. |
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| 19:59.44 | quitte | haha |
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| 20:00.01 | Daemonik | quitte, Perhaps you can help me with this http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Lenny ? They say "go for a LVM based partitioning and take care that you have enough free space for snapshots" . . I'm not sure what that should look like. Should the root filesystem be in a smaller volume then I would leave the rest of LVM empty? |
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| 20:00.39 | Daemonik | ws2k3, Avoid realtek networking and go with intel networking if you can. There is only one bad intel card that I know of. |
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| 20:01.31 | quitte | yes. leave most of the lvm free. you can always use it later or for snapshots if thats what you want |
| 20:01.31 | martianlobster | could someone remind me, what is the command for listing the open files for a process? |
| 20:01.53 | Daemonik | ws2k3, Avoid the 82573L, it can not do jumbo frames. Some have reported that it can, but I haven't seen it actually work. If networking is important to you, enable jumbo frames on your network and look into bridging your interfaces and enabling RSTP on your interfaces and switches so that you can tolerate layer-2 failures. |
| 20:01.53 | daemonkeeper | lsof? |
| 20:02.02 | martianlobster | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.14 | martianlobster | how could I forget htat, "list open files" dooooh |
| 20:02.31 | ws2k3 | and do u guys know anything of PCI risers? |
| 20:02.35 | martianlobster | I was putting some extra letters in it |
| 20:02.52 | Daemonik | ws2k3, You'll have to plan out how your network is going to upgrade to jumbo frames. You'll have to assess your hardware. Use something like bandwidthd and munin to get an idea of what your server is doing (or not doing) performance wise. If you need more than gigabit performance you can add more NIC cards and do NIC bonding (aka "teaming") |
| 20:03.07 | Daemonik | ws2k3, Many people in here will know about PCI risers. |
| 20:03.22 | Daemonik | ws2k3, You should Google for the document "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" |
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| 20:04.09 | harovali | how do I enable lpd protocol in cups besides ipp ? |
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| 20:04.38 | quitte | harovali: cupsys-bsd iirc |
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| 20:04.58 | ws2k3 | Daemonik thx. i know what u mean and for now i dont need gigabit networking. and yes i have access to the hardware and yes i already have some monitor tools running. traffic is around 1 mb per sec. the reason i came here was to ask what is the best way to optimize it the best way |
| 20:06.33 | Daemonik | ws2k3, The very best way to optimize it is jumbo frames, and two NICs in a bridge physically connected to separate ethernet switches. Switches, or individual ports on switches, and networking cards, can and do fail |
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| 20:07.47 | harovali | quitte: thanks but I find it missing from Squeeze |
| 20:08.05 | harovali | quitte: I see cups-bsd, it's the same ? |
| 20:08.14 | ws2k3 | Daemonik i have around 1 mb traffic at this moment so i wanne keep it to one NIC for now. |
| 20:08.28 | Daemonik | quitte, Should my swap partitions go on LVM? |
| 20:08.46 | quitte | harovali: the package description says bsd commands. but i guess you want the networking part |
| 20:09.05 | harovali | quitte: true ! |
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| 20:09.17 | quitte | Daemonik: there's nothing wrong with swap on lvm |
| 20:10.04 | quitte | harovali: general replacement for lpr, lpd and the like |
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| 20:22.24 | GNU\colossus | where/how can I contact the people responsible for mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 20:23.14 | GNU\colossus | is mailing pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org frowned upon, or is the address supposed to be mailed to? |
| 20:23.25 | Python132o | I'm trying to PXE boot. Laptop wired and booting "Broadcom UNDI PXE-2.1". It gets the IP fine, then it requests the pxe file with log "RRQ from 10.0.0.111 filename /pxelinux.0" but then the tftpd logs " tftp: client does not accept options" and the client requests the file again (again requesting pxelinux.0) and this is where nothing happens anymore. No timeouts, just ip information on laptop screen. Very odd... Anyone capable of helping? |
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| 20:23.56 | jigg | g evening |
| 20:25.10 | Justin | Python132o: did you google "client does not accept options" ? |
| 20:25.18 | Justin | Python132o: "Note that the "client does not accept options" message seems to be only a harmless warning, not a sign for error" |
| 20:25.33 | Justin | Python132o: did you verify that you can download /pxelinux.0 with a tftp client from another machine? |
| 20:25.58 | Python132o | It would most likely say failed downloading as that is what happened when I removed the file .Now it just hangs after getting the IP. |
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| 20:28.24 | Aztec | so, here is the question: why not bring up a rolling-release version of debian that's releaseed as stable? |
| 20:28.29 | ws2k3 | well i have an issue with my PCI riser. maby somebody else can help me out. this is ym server case: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/fotoqih.jpg/ i have a choce of 2 PCI risers this is the one i think i need: http://static.salland.eu/newfiles/product/02/81/28174.jpg this is the other one:http://static.salland.eu/newfiles/product/03/42/thumb_200_200/34247_200_200.jpg |
| 20:30.28 | Daemonik | ws2k3, In the future, go with supermicro |
| 20:30.58 | ws2k3 | Daemonik i are saying i need a PCI riser of supermicro? |
| 20:31.12 | Daemonik | ws2k3, eyeballing it . . either look like they could work. No I'm saying use Supermicro server chassis |
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| 20:31.45 | ws2k3 | Daemonik aah on that way ok. thx for the advice |
| 20:31.47 | martianlobster | if I get a pid, and then do a ls -f /proc/PID/fd, and I get a list of the open sockets, is there some way for me to take those numbers (I have no idea what they mean), and get the ports, and addresses, and protocols, for those sockets? |
| 20:33.00 | ws2k3 | Daemonik i think they both could work. but i dont think they both will Fit |
| 20:33.15 | Python132o | phew, got it to boot :) |
| 20:33.16 | Daemonik | ws2k3, You'll have to find out the hard way. |
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| 20:36.53 | skyride | anyone know where i could get a bit of help with pptpd? |
| 20:37.06 | skyride | can't seem to find what i'm looking for on google, nor a relevant irc channel |
| 20:37.12 | jhutchins | Daemonik: Supermicro doesn't make the motherboards. |
| 20:37.28 | skyride | tl;dr if anyone here can help: I can't seem to specify the default gateway it should use |
| 20:37.30 | Daemonik | jhutchins, "the motherboards"?? |
| 20:37.34 | jhutchins | skyride: The howto at http://tldp.org is pretty good. |
| 20:37.41 | ws2k3 | Daemonik are there pci express network cards? |
| 20:37.49 | Daemonik | ws2k3, There are. Look on NewEgg.com |
| 20:37.49 | ws2k3 | or do i need to go for just pci? |
| 20:37.58 | ws2k3 | what do u think is wise to do |
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| 20:38.13 | Daemonik | ws2k3, Either should be fine for whatever you're doing. Go with PCI-Express if the board supports it. |
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| 20:39.05 | ws2k3 | deamonik thx for ur advice |
| 20:39.42 | skyride | doesn't seem to be anything about pptpd there jhutchins :( |
| 20:39.43 | Daemonik | ws2k3, What is the server to do?/ |
| 20:40.27 | jhutchins | skyride: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml |
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| 20:41.37 | ChesterX | hello everyone, I just installed squeeze and would like to add chinese, japanese and korean language support (as well for typing as for character recognition) - Where/How can I do that? |
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| 20:42.29 | skyride | thats the client jhutchins |
| 20:42.34 | skyride | i'm looking for help with the server |
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| 20:43.21 | jhutchins | skyride: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/VPN-Masquerade-HOWTO-5.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/configure.html |
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| 20:44.13 | jhutchins | skyride: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+pptp+server |
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| 20:44.49 | jhutchins | I use it for VPN's and don't set the default gateway so I'm not sure of the correct syntax. |
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| 20:48.13 | skyride | did you set bcrelay in the config file? |
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| 20:49.17 | bmoloney | anyone here is using gridengine |
| 20:49.24 | bmoloney | ? |
| 20:51.17 | skyride | jhutchins if you go do ipconfig/ifconfig while you're connected to the VPN, what does it tell you the default gateway is? |
| 20:51.39 | skyride | i can connect fine, and speak to other clients of the VPN, i just can't access to the internet via the VPN |
| 20:52.04 | skyride | i don't know if this is a configuration error on my part, or i need to do something extra |
| 20:52.09 | skyride | so thats pretty much why i'm lost |
| 20:52.10 | jhutchins | skyride: It doesn't change, because I don't tell it to. |
| 20:52.49 | jhutchins | you have to tell the server to forward the packets from the VPN, usually via TCP Masquerade. |
| 20:53.17 | jhutchins | You also have to either tell the server to use the VPN as the default gateway or tell the dhcp server on the pptp server to tell it. |
| 20:53.53 | jhutchins | skyride: I'll bet you a nickel if I google "pptp default gateway linux" I'll find the answer. |
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| 20:54.49 | jhutchins | skyride: I know it's on tldp, they have docs there that tell you how to set up a whole ISP. |
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| 20:56.06 | skyride | i think it's just my lack of understanding of networks at a lower level than simply ip addresses showing |
| 20:56.24 | skyride | its hard to know what to look for when you don't fully understand something |
| 20:56.27 | jhutchins | skyride: Read the docs and correct your lack of knowledge. |
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| 20:57.29 | arnoldB | How could I check (within a bash script) if a uid exists? |
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| 20:59.16 | sim-value | How recent are packages in Debian Testing compared to rolling release distributions like arch or gentoo? |
| 20:59.18 | jhutchins | skyride: I'm sorry I can't just give you the answer. I'll dig through the old server I set up several years ago and see what I come up with. |
| 20:59.26 | jhutchins | skyride: Are you working on the server, the clients or both? |
| 20:59.32 | jhutchins | skyride: What are you using for the server? |
| 20:59.56 | dondelelcaro | arnoldB: if getent passwd "$(uid)">/dev/null 2>&1; then blah fi; |
| 21:00.00 | dondelelcaro | arnoldB: man getent |
| 21:00.24 | dondelelcaro | (though I should note that works even if you don't pass a UID) |
| 21:00.26 | skyride | i'm just a bit lost dude, i appreciate it, i'm usually happy to google and read 99% of the time |
| 21:00.33 | skyride | but i really am a bit deep here |
| 21:00.38 | skyride | i'm using windows 7 as a client |
| 21:00.44 | skyride | and its running on a debian 6 server |
| 21:00.46 | dondelelcaro | sim-value: depends on the package |
| 21:01.13 | arnoldB | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 21:04.21 | jhutchins | skyride: Sorry, I moved that network to a dd-wrt router that handles the VPN now. |
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| 21:04.30 | jhutchins | skyride: Can't even remember hot to start it from here. |
| 21:04.30 | skyride | ah no worries |
| 21:04.40 | skyride | actually thats a thought |
| 21:04.44 | skyride | i have an old router running dd-wrt |
| 21:04.47 | skyride | could try that |
| 21:05.29 | jhutchins | skyride: Try that vpn masq doc, that's probably what you need. Like I said, you have to enable tcpip forwarding, and I think that needs to be in the kernel as well as in the server config. |
| 21:05.44 | jhutchins | skyride: Windows should default to using the VPN as the default gateway. |
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| 21:06.12 | jhutchins | skyride: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/VPN-Masquerade-HOWTO-5.html |
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| 21:07.55 | antgel | hi all, i'm trying to build lucene2 source package but tests fail due to being out of memory. it uses cdbs, but i can't see how to build without running the tests. can anyone help? i can pastebin the debian/rules |
| 21:07.58 | jhutchins | skyride: See also http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/debian-howto.phtml |
| 21:08.41 | antgel | :q |
| 21:12.11 | antgel | okay, according to http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html#id2554899 i should just need to comment out DEB_ANT_CHECK_TARGET *crosses fingers* |
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| 21:17.09 | debugg3r | man i was apalled when my girlfriend called me a pedo |
| 21:17.22 | debugg3r | how a 5 year old girl can say things like that? |
| 21:17.44 | debugg3r | i mean all these girls act mature and old |
| 21:17.52 | debugg3r | and they get all bitchy when i wanna bang them |
| 21:17.53 | daemonkeeper | This is #debian. |
| 21:17.58 | debugg3r | "im 13 im 13!" |
| 21:18.03 | debugg3r | oh sorry |
| 21:18.08 | debugg3r | i wanted to join #lesbian |
| 21:18.10 | debugg3r | mispelled |
| 21:18.12 | daemonkeeper | !ops -^ |
| 21:18.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: daemonkeeper complains about: -^ |
| 21:18.47 | daemonkeeper | That works too. |
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| 21:19.23 | daemonkeeper | You should change your host cloak if you don't want to be recognized, popkill. |
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| 21:21.58 | lluvia | how can I install a .deb file in a different location than default? |
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| 21:22.18 | TrollingMonster | wooah |
| 21:22.46 | TrollingMonster | masha'allah |
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| 21:24.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | lluvia: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:24.43 | lluvia | Kamping_Kaiser: installing packaged software in a user home without root permissions |
| 21:24.48 | TrollingMonster | are people like computer here? or they can smile? |
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| 21:25.20 | daemonkeeper | lluvia: Extract with dpkg-deb, move to your location. Roughly. |
| 21:25.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | lluvia: you can extract it with -x, but i doubt it'll work correctly unless you do a lot of environment setup first |
| 21:25.32 | daemonkeeper | + what Kamping_Kaiser says. |
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| 21:28.14 | lluvia | it is a shame that apt-get cannot be used for that, that empowers the user, theoretically a user can download the source from the repository and compile it, so I don't see that it is a privacy issue to don't let the user to install the software locally, or giving thenm facilities |
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| 21:28.47 | daemonkeeper | lluvia: That's way more complicated than you would think. |
| 21:29.10 | kaluva | lluvia: That's not what apt-get was meant for |
| 21:29.58 | lluvia | but do you agree that what I request is a useful thing? |
| 21:30.12 | daemonkeeper | Debian has about 30.000 packages. Many of them need root privileges for one or another reason, many need root privileges to set it up correctly. It's way more complicated than "installing a package to ~/bin" |
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| 21:30.37 | lluvia | I see |
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| 21:31.05 | kaluva | lluvia: It might be useful, though nor for many people |
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| 21:31.47 | daemonkeeper | The problem is: There are many packages which just don't work that way. Hence there is no attempt to introduce support for it to Debian. |
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| 21:32.57 | daemonkeeper | Also: A package may need a lot of dependencies not installed yet, e.g. shared libraries which aren't available on your system. It's complicated to get such binaries running in ~ |
| 21:33.17 | Sevet | hi everyone, does anyone know how to create a hardlink to a deleted file that's currently still open by a process (readable through /proc/PID/fd/N)... needs to be a hardlink not a cat/cp as the file's still growing |
| 21:34.18 | Sevet | nevermind, tail +0 works :) if anyone knows how to do a hardlink please let me know though - 20G file so that'd be much quicker |
| 21:34.36 | lluvia | btw, zeroinstall-injector do things in this way, but it seems that you need that the author had created a .xml entry for this purpose |
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| 21:36.30 | kaluva | Sevet: What does /proc/<pid>/fd/<delted file> look like? I'm curious |
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| 21:36.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | sure, so can/does cpan. its still not a trivial exercise (made harder by the mix of languages) |
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| 21:40.18 | thewanderer1 | "/usr/lib/ure/bin/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libjvmfwk.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" while upgrading OO.o on Squeeze/amd64. is this a known problem? |
| 21:40.54 | thewanderer1 | ldd on /usr/lib/ure/bin/javaldx shows the correct path and the file does exist (verified by taking the path from ldd and running `stat` on it) |
| 21:41.35 | thewanderer1 | ah, silly me... some step requires /proc to be mounted :/ |
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| 21:41.59 | Sevet | kaluva: it's a wget of a very large .tar.bz2 which i deleted by accident :) didn't want to wait to redownload 7GB |
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| 21:42.12 | kaluva | Sevet: I guessed that much :) |
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| 21:42.27 | kaluva | What I meant is, what does "ls -l" look like? |
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| 21:43.07 | Sevet | lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Oct 7 22:26 6 -> /root/backups/tmppN6n.tar.bz2 (deleted) |
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| 21:49.47 | AthomIk | fglrx no exist in wheezy ? fglrx is ati drivers i think |
| 21:50.11 | AthomIk | how i can use my ati hd4200 in 3d on wheezy ? |
| 21:50.16 | AthomIk | is possible ? |
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| 21:58.49 | AthomIk | :D |
| 22:01.30 | antgel | wants to kick eclipse in the nuts |
| 22:01.38 | dkarampin | hello, I'm trying to make wireless work and I'm following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/wl . On the first step, it asks me to install the linux headers and I use this package: linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 22:01.51 | dkarampin | but still, it complains that there are no headers |
| 22:01.53 | dkarampin | any help ? |
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| 22:03.08 | SterniX | dkarampin whats ur own kernal? |
| 22:03.15 | SterniX | type uname -a |
| 22:03.33 | themill | dkarampin: which release of debian and what architecture? |
| 22:03.50 | dkarampin | dkarampin@laptop:~/wireless$ uname -r |
| 22:03.51 | dkarampin | 2.6.39-2-amd64 |
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| 22:04.25 | babilen | AthomIk: fglrx is in a bit of a broken state in testing due to the xorg 1.11 transition - you *might* have more luck with the version in sid. Please check the bug reports and/or use radeon in the meanwhile. |
| 22:04.36 | dkarampin | how can I check the release ? |
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| 22:05.12 | AthomIk | babilen: ok thanks |
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| 22:09.03 | dkarampin | themill, SterniX any idea ? |
| 22:09.25 | AthomIk | for the release ? |
| 22:09.34 | AthomIk | is /etc/debian_version |
| 22:10.55 | themill | dkarampin: the output of "apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6-amd64; apt-cache policy" would be handy to see in a pastebin. |
| 22:10.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | lots of ways, depends how badly you messed up your system:p |
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| 22:14.08 | dkarampin | themill: http://pastebin.com/enZ4hk97 |
| 22:14.12 | babilen | Are we actually sure that wl can be built against the bdo kernel? AthomIk, what is your actual device (lspci -nn|grep -i network) ? Have you tried the standard kernel module after installing the (presumably needed|) firmware? |
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| 22:14.54 | babilen | uh, yummy ... messed up sources.list :) |
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| 22:16.19 | AthomIk | babilen: i use radeon or vesa, is a graphic card not a network card |
| 22:16.43 | babilen | AthomIk: Err, I meant dkarampin not you. Apologies :) |
| 22:16.44 | AthomIk | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] |
| 22:17.46 | dkarampin | babilen: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) |
| 22:17.46 | dkarampin | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 22:18.56 | dkarampin | babilen: what am I doing wrong with the sources list ? |
| 22:19.03 | babilen | !BCM4312 |
| 22:19.03 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 22:19.57 | babilen | dkarampin: I'd suggest to install the firmware (see above) and use the standard kernel module. Your sources.list look frightening enough so that I don't want to dive into this deeper tonight. |
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| 22:21.30 | babilen | dkarampin: Given that you have testing/unstable in your sources.list I am kind of surprised that you are not using a 3.0 kernel -- you might want to make sure that you have a fully upgraded wheezy/sid (whatever you are trying to run) system before continuing. |
| 22:21.36 | jelly-home | why it's just unstable, testing and some google stuff :-| |
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| 22:22.40 | jelly-home | and default-release set to testing I guess? |
| 22:22.59 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 22:23.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 22:23.13 | babilen | dkarampin: I'd suggest to install the linux-image-amd64 (or 686-pae if you run that) package, which will install the current kernel in wheezy/sid |
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| 22:23.48 | dkarampin | ok, can you have a look first at my sources.list ? http://pastebin.com/mbfgjRz6 |
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| 22:24.19 | dkarampin | shall I delete the last 2 lines ? |
| 22:24.22 | themill | Working out why a package that does exist is reported to not exist would also be worthwhile. |
| 22:24.28 | nsadmin | oh wow, 3 is availoable for squeeze? who's using it on s2qeeze now? |
| 22:24.55 | babilen | dkarampin: After you've done that install the firmware (i.e. firmware-b43-lpphy-installer) and test your network by reloading "b43" with "modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43" if you see your interface in "ifconfig -a" and it has wireless extensions in "iwconfig" you should be almost fine. If "iwlist wlan0 scan" even finds some networks you are done. |
| 22:25.47 | darobison | Hello everyone, I just installled Iceweasel 9.0a2 and am having trouble getting sound to work. I already have the ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" line in my /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc. Is there something else I need to do for the Alpha version? Running Wheezy BTW. |
| 22:26.02 | darobison | Google wasn't much help. |
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| 22:27.26 | jelly-home | Iceweasel HOW MUCH |
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| 22:27.51 | nsadmin | five quarters |
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| 22:28.02 | babilen | jelly-home: IW 42.23 ½ |
| 22:28.37 | jelly-home | IW >9000 |
| 22:28.44 | babilen | darobison: Is IW 7 working? |
| 22:29.32 | dkarampin | babilen: if I modify my sources list and do an upgrade, will the messy thing be fixed ? (I'm not talking about the wireless) |
| 22:29.50 | nsadmin | darobison, so google was some help? show link of useful info and please state how it was useful and what you learned from it |
| 22:30.01 | babilen | dkarampin: It is actually not that messy -- Which release do you want to track? |
| 22:30.06 | darobison | If I remeber right it wasn't, but I installed that from the tarball. |
| 22:30.52 | darobison | I also tried the prealpha that way, but then found a debian package for 9.0b2... Got everything I need working (except a few addons) except sound. |
| 22:31.13 | dkarampin | babilen: testing |
| 22:31.19 | nsadmin | installing from tarball and not from a debian package is hard to know what you have definitively |
| 22:31.22 | darobison | I was sick for a few days after originally trying to upgrade so the complete details are a little fuzzy |
| 22:31.30 | darobison | I removed all of that completely. |
| 22:31.38 | darobison | Just a package from ... |
| 22:31.56 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:32.10 | darobison | mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports iceweasel-aurora |
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| 22:32.49 | darobison | also followed the regular directions for upgrading flash. Running the 64-bit linux alpha of that. |
| 22:33.08 | nsadmin | oh so you got an iceweasel from that? |
| 22:33.10 | darobison | unpacking and moving the .so files, etc. |
| 22:33.34 | darobison | iceweasel from the mozilla.debian.net..... line in apt/sources.list... yes |
| 22:33.42 | babilen | dkarampin: Are you living in Germany or France? |
| 22:33.56 | dkarampin | babilen: no, Greece |
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| 22:34.33 | darobison | nsadmin... I don't know what your name is supposed to stand for, but it made me a little nervous for a second when I thought it said NSAadmin... Lol |
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| 22:35.20 | babilen | dkarampin: Ah, I was asking because you had ftp.fr and ftp.de in your sources.list -- do you have a particular reason for using those instead of the greek mirrors? |
| 22:35.43 | nsadmin | ns is naviserv written originally by navisoft at which time it was $5000/seat, then aol bought the company and renamed it to aolserver |
| 22:36.30 | dkarampin | babilen: to be honest, I think when I did the installation, I think I were abroad (It's been more than a year) |
| 22:36.33 | babilen | dkarampin: If not, just use something like http://paste.debian.net/134935/ as your sources.list -- Please note that you have to use "wheezy" to set your default release not "testing" (if you actually set the default release) |
| 22:36.36 | darobison | ah... As long as there's no affiliation with the National Security Agency, I feel no need to hide under my desk with a shotgun waiting for the black helicopters... So all is well... |
| 22:36.37 | nsadmin | in really old versions, all the services were owned by user nsadmin |
| 22:37.24 | darobison | actually now that you mention it it does sound familiar. I've probably just never read it wrong before. |
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| 22:37.42 | dkarampin | babilen: why do I have to specify the codename ? What if wheezy becomes stable, do I need to renew my sources.list ? |
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| 22:37.54 | nsadmin | the black helicopters are real... and they played "how many aolish users can fit in a phonebooth" only with the helicopter... |
| 22:38.22 | nsadmin | so if you see a black helicopter weaving really badly, (a) you know why and (b) RUN NOW |
| 22:38.24 | babilen | dkarampin: So, make sure your default release (/msg dpkg default release) is set to "wheezy" if you use that and run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" -- After that you should be able to install the current kernel (apt-get linux-image-amd64 OR apt-get install linux-image-686-pae) -- Once you've completed that install the firmware, reload the module and check if your interface is working with the commands I've given earlier. |
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| 22:39.14 | babilen | dkarampin: A little explanation: I very much prefer to track the actual releases by name as that will not lead to unforeseen surprises once a new stable release has been made. |
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| 22:39.43 | darobison | lol... I always run from black helicopters... You can learn alot from old Mel Gibson movies... Lol |
| 22:40.24 | darobison | Still need to figure out how to torch a place like that without destroying anything else though... That was cool. |
| 22:40.28 | dkarampin | babilen: ok, I'll do that. I hope I won't break the universe :) |
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| 22:40.47 | dkarampin | babilen: btw is the sources.list checked ? Shall I just copy paste them ? |
| 22:40.51 | nsadmin | if you do, just reboot it |
| 22:41.19 | babilen | dkarampin: Just make sure that you've set the default release to the name you use in your sources.list -- I just wanted to organise your sources.list a little and suggest a greek mirror. |
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| 22:41.21 | nsadmin | and hope to GOD the universe isn'trunning ubuntu |
| 22:41.34 | babilen | dkarampin: You should be able to just copy and paste it, yes |
| 22:41.37 | darobison | lol |
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| 22:41.54 | Gonzalo | Hello everybody |
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| 22:42.06 | nsadmin | Gonzalo: Rubalcaba? |
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| 22:42.21 | Gonzalo | nsadmin, what? |
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| 22:42.33 | darobison | nsadmin? Did you have any ideas for the sound issue? |
| 22:42.38 | nsadmin | oh, great cuban pianist |
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| 22:42.53 | nsadmin | who shares your first name |
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| 22:43.43 | dkarampin | babilen: thanks. So when the next release comes out, I 'll just update the 'wheezy' |
| 22:43.44 | Gonzalo | I didn't know that (: |
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| 22:44.42 | babilen | dkarampin: I would suggest to wait a little and stay with the (at that time) stable wheezy release until sid/testing settled down a little. Once that happened you can replace "wheezy" with whatever name is used for the next release |
| 22:44.50 | nsadmin | I wish I did... I have sound issues myself... it's a vague possibility 3.0.0 might have sound drivers that understand what is seen by earlier versions as an unexpected and unknown and therefore spurrious interrupt |
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| 22:45.05 | Gonzalo | Well, I'm using LMDE, and I'm tired of all those updates that breaks the system every time. I'm thinking about installing Debian or going back to Ubuntu (10.04 64), but it has a lot of trouble with my broadcom wireless card... |
| 22:45.11 | babilen | BTW: Which name *will* we use for the next release? ... /me hopes it is going to be "troll" - That would just be marvellous |
| 22:45.14 | nsadmin | wheezy is released?? |
| 22:45.24 | babilen | nsadmin: No, once that happened |
| 22:45.32 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:46.12 | dkarampin | babilen: thanks, Let's hope I won't have problems |
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| 22:47.26 | babilen | Gonzalo: Well, you are always welcome to install Debian and come here to ask questions here if you have problems. You will need to install firmware (from non-free) for most (all?) broadcom cards. If you now the name of the card you can ask our bot (dpkg) about it. So if you have a, say, bcm4315 card you would "/msg dpkg bcm4315" -- The Debian wiki contains extensive information on how to configure the adaptors. |
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| 22:47.49 | babilen | s/now/know :-/ |
| 22:47.57 | nsadmin | babilen: I have at least two instances of "nobody cared" messages on irqs, and I'm wondering if at least some work going into 3.0.0 addresses that |
| 22:48.23 | babilen | nsadmin: I don't care ;) |
| 22:48.33 | Gonzalo | Makes sense, babilen. Unfortunately I'm at work and I don't have the model. |
| 22:48.41 | darobison | K, I ran over to an alsa channel... Do you want me to let you know if I find an answer nsadmin? |
| 22:48.44 | babilen | Gonzalo: You can always come back later :) |
| 22:48.59 | Gonzalo | Yep, I know! (: Thanks |
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| 22:49.24 | nsadmin | absolutely! |
| 22:49.40 | babilen | darobison: Sure, that enables us to provide better support in the future. Please apologise, but I guess that nobody is suffering from such a severe case of SNS as you to run IW9 :) |
| 22:50.06 | darobison | ? SNS? ? IW9? |
| 22:50.10 | darobison | sorry new to irc |
| 22:50.11 | babilen | !sns |
| 22:50.12 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:50.28 | craigevil | iceweasel: Installed: 9.0~a2+20111007042010-1 :) |
| 22:50.28 | darobison | actually it was an attempt at fixing other problems... |
| 22:50.37 | babilen | craigevil: yay! |
| 22:51.05 | darobison | I started with trying 7, then nightly, both from the tarball... Then decided to go with the middle ground when I found a source for packages... |
| 22:51.33 | babilen | darobison: FWIW, I am running IW7 on sid without any problems. |
| 22:51.51 | darobison | I've been running testing for years... Usually my only problems happen when I get impatient and try something for sid and forget to get my pinning right or remove it from my sources.list |
| 22:52.10 | zumbi | babilen: rumour has it, debian 8.0 might be named Pangolin |
| 22:52.30 | darobison | did you do anything special babilen? For sound or anything? |
| 22:53.08 | babilen | darobison: Well, I had to convince flash to use PA (with an appropriate /etc/asound.conf) but apart from that? No, nothing ... |
| 22:53.29 | nsadmin | reason my sound isn't working is a hardware situation |
| 22:53.56 | darobison | I don't know if swearing is allowed here so instead @$%@$# I was hoping not to have to mess with pulseaudio... Bad luck every time... |
| 22:53.59 | babilen | darobison: I've configured IW7 on squeeze for my mother the other day with plain ALSA and it worked without any problem. |
| 22:54.17 | darobison | just with the ICEWA |
| 22:54.27 | darobison | oops sloppy enter click |
| 22:54.31 | shirt | how does the tzdata lawsuit affect debian? |
| 22:54.41 | darobison | just with the ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" thing or what? |
| 22:55.24 | babilen | shirt: It does not (yet) -- There is a thread on debian-devel ( <8762k03jni.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> ) |
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| 22:56.04 | AthomIk | bye |
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| 22:56.19 | beatsteaks | I lost my sound in browser, flash, mplayer any clue ? |
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| 22:56.30 | babilen | darobison: No, nothing like that was necessary. |
| 22:58.13 | darobison | Well, I used to have to do that to get it to work, so I've tried it both with and without, but I didn't really have any other ideas, and I'm not finding references to the same problem on google... Hmmm? |
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| 23:04.33 | darobison | Ok, I just double-checked a bunch of stuff and the only problem was that I'm a complete dumb@55 |
| 23:04.59 | babilen | hmm? |
| 23:05.01 | darobison | The other day it wasn't working with the manually installed ones, so I assumed that was the problem with the alpha package too... |
| 23:05.10 | darobison | Nope... My fiance had stolen my speakers... |
| 23:05.23 | babilen | heh |
| 23:05.27 | darobison | They were plugged into her box... lol |
| 23:05.27 | jelly-home | !pal darobison |
| 23:05.28 | dpkg | points at darobison and laughs |
| 23:05.56 | babilen | darobison: Are they turned on? ;) |
| 23:06.35 | darobison | lol, yeah... and since I'd already double checked everything else, I almost lost an eardrum when I plugged them back into where they go... |
| 23:06.46 | darobison | had all volume levels maxed... |
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| 23:07.01 | ampharos | this is getting ridicolous |
| 23:07.24 | ampharos | I have to restart the whole damn PC because my graphics card is moodier than a woman with PMS |
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| 23:07.41 | spersaud | is this right ? |
| 23:07.43 | spersaud | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free |
| 23:07.47 | ampharos | 256 MB ain't a lot |
| 23:07.53 | darobison | Well thanks for the patience with my problem guys... I'd rather be pointed at and laughed at than beaten for wasting someones time... Or worse yet... Never finding the problem... |
| 23:08.04 | spersaud | just reinstalled but sources.list was not configured by installer |
| 23:08.17 | ampharos | but I shouldn't have to restart the whole damn thing because I'm using icedove and iceweasel at the same time! |
| 23:08.25 | dkarampin | babilen: can you have a look here ? http://pastebin.com/Fne0JYMQ |
| 23:08.32 | spersaud | also how do I get adobe flash ? what the name of that non-free package ? |
| 23:08.40 | dkarampin | it happened during dist-upgrade |
| 23:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: I did a $300 emergency service call once just to plug in the power on a computer. |
| 23:09.33 | darobison | Should I file a bug report saying that Iceweasel 9.0a2, Debian Wheezy, Alsa, and Flash don't work together when there's no speakers plugged in??? |
| 23:10.02 | dkarampin | and... root@laptop:/home/dkarampin/wireless# echo $PATH |
| 23:10.03 | dkarampin | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 23:11.00 | themill | dkarampin: but you didn't run that command from a root prompt, did you? |
| 23:11.16 | dkarampin | no, I used su |
| 23:11.27 | dkarampin | isn't the same ? |
| 23:11.30 | themill | itym sudo |
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| 23:15.18 | dkarampin | no, I mean I firstly typed su and gave the password |
| 23:15.24 | dkarampin | themill: dkarampin@laptop:~$ sudo echo $PATH |
| 23:15.24 | dkarampin | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 23:15.37 | jelly-home | eh |
| 23:15.46 | themill | that's really not how sudo works.... |
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| 23:16.11 | themill | (or more precisely, "not how your shell works") |
| 23:16.20 | jelly-home | but it's how shell works NINJAD |
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| 23:19.33 | jeward | So I installed nvidia drivers "the debian way" bu I have no nvidia-xconfig? |
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| 23:19.53 | jeward | Did I miss a step or something? |
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| 23:23.28 | jelly-home | jeward: you forgot to install the nvidia-xconfig package? |
| 23:23.36 | jeward | Checking. |
| 23:23.54 | jeward | d'oh! |
| 23:24.12 | jeward | I thought it was installed with the kernel module, sorry! |
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| 23:24.41 | jelly-home | also a separate package: nvidia-settings |
| 23:29.17 | quitte | oooh. i didn't know about that package. kept editting Xorg.conf |
| 23:29.39 | daemonkeeper | It's hardly needed these days. |
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| 23:30.11 | daemonkeeper | Typically, a 4 line xorg.conf is enough for a basic nvidia driver setup, these days. |
| 23:30.13 | quitte | would be nice if the nvidia driver was just added to the Xorg auto detection. |
| 23:30.35 | quitte | it's a single line patch but the devs disagree it's a good ides. |
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| 23:30.56 | quitte | because you might have nvidia-glx installed and still want to use nouveau/nv or something |
| 23:32.11 | jelly-home | unlikely to happen in Debian |
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| 23:51.24 | da13371 | im getting strange errors when doing apt-get installs, related to not being able to run locale, and weird perl-looking errors. anyone available to help me correct/diagnose?: http://pastebin.com/FBUMziPU |
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| 23:52.29 | nsadmin | +da13371, first off you running as root? |
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| 23:53.43 | nsadmin | hmm. nonresponsive |
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| 23:54.44 | da13371 | nsadmin: yes |
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| 23:55.05 | da13371 | here's some more scary errors I got that I don't know what to do about |
| 23:55.08 | da13371 | http://pastebin.com/gBuDwAxe |
| 23:55.09 | nsadmin | echo "- $PATH" |
| 23:55.19 | nsadmin | as root |
| 23:55.49 | da13371 | # echo "- $PATH" |
| 23:55.50 | da13371 | - /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 23:56.12 | nsadmin | that looks fine |
| 23:56.48 | nsadmin | so that eliminates two problems, you do have root, and the PATH is set properly for root |
| 23:56.50 | da13371 | im working off a laptop remoted into a box that's ssh'd into the ailing system, so if im slow to respond, that's why. was also getting that second pastebin link |
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| 23:57.08 | nsadmin | oh ok, cool |
| 23:57.16 | nsadmin | thanks for clarifying that |
| 23:57.50 | bombadil_ | i'm having some trouble with php5 on my debian server. in phpinfo it lists the PHP.ini config file it is loading, however it does not recognize any changes made to the PHP.ini file |
| 23:57.59 | nsadmin | ok, now let me look at those pastebins, meanwhile I need your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 23:58.15 | da13371 | k one (or more) sec |
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| 23:59.36 | da13371 | http://pastebin.com/WnKkmUGP |
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| 23:59.45 | da13371 | ^ my sources.list |
