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| 00:02.10 | nsadmin | look at that in a sec... try: perl --version | head -2 |
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| 00:02.21 | nsadmin | and show the second line |
| 00:02.36 | nsadmin | (the first should be blank if it's like mine) |
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| 00:03.40 | da13371 | k |
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| 00:04.12 | da13371 | This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 00:04.38 | nsadmin | ok, I see the problem |
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| 00:05.19 | da13371 | replace operator and continue? |
| 00:05.20 | da13371 | :P |
| 00:05.50 | nsadmin | notice in your sources.list you have the line that says lenny and the other line that says stable |
| 00:06.50 | nsadmin | one issue is stylistic, you have a mixed metaphor: "stable" is a moving target, pointing at the current stable, which is now squeeze |
| 00:07.20 | nsadmin | so you have a lenny source and a squeeze source effectively |
| 00:07.29 | nsadmin | what would you like to do? |
| 00:08.00 | nsadmin | want to keep lenny? or upgrade to squeeze? (note: maybe no choice since downgrades not supported) |
| 00:08.39 | da13371 | i want to do squeeze |
| 00:08.40 | da13371 | BUT |
| 00:08.51 | da13371 | i dont think my current kernel will allow it |
| 00:08.53 | bombadil_ | SOLVED: just needed to reboot |
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| 00:08.58 | Gonzalo | See you guys in a couple of hours, when I try installing Debian 6 on mi Dell Studio 14 |
| 00:08.59 | da13371 | and i686 wont work |
| 00:09.00 | Gonzalo | my* |
| 00:09.00 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:09.04 | Gonzalo | Have a good one!" |
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| 00:09.12 | da13371 | or - i686 ISNT working |
| 00:09.24 | nsadmin | what cpu do you have? |
| 00:09.58 | da13371 | "Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+" |
| 00:10.30 | nsadmin | is it a 64 bit? |
| 00:12.04 | da13371 | yes |
| 00:12.27 | da13371 | This new Sempron processor has the 64-bit instructions activated, which makes it a true Athlon 64 CPU but with less memory cache. So you can think of Sempron 3400+ as a âlight versionâ of Athlon 64 3200+. |
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| 00:12.47 | debiantonio | Sempron processor has the 64-bit instructions activated, which makes it a true Athlon 64 CPU but with less memory cache. So you can think of Sempron 3400+ as a light version of Athlon 64 3200+ |
| 00:13.31 | nsadmin | you might be able to run the amd64 kernel with i386 userland |
| 00:13.38 | da13371 | say what now |
| 00:13.44 | nsadmin | it's a fairly typical situation |
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| 00:14.06 | nsadmin | what kernel are you using now? |
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| 00:14.58 | nsadmin | userland is a term for the programs you generally run... like cat, grep, sort, web browsers, x servers, etc |
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| 00:15.45 | nsadmin | all that is run in user space while the kernel enjoys kernel space (prime real estate for many reasons) |
| 00:15.52 | da13371 | i was running linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7 - in trying to upgrade to lastest i686, i (unintentionally) settled on ... |
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| 00:16.15 | dkarampin | I did a dist-upgrade, the wireless problem remains. Here is my syslog: http://pastebin.com/SpBXNRP2 any help would be appreciated |
| 00:16.16 | da13371 | 2.6.19-rc1-1-486 |
| 00:16.34 | nsadmin | ohh, k7, so compiled for amd |
| 00:17.21 | nsadmin | let's try this... |
| 00:17.42 | nsadmin | first, let's deal with the mixed-metaphor (which is stylistic) issue |
| 00:18.43 | nsadmin | the problem you just experienced, is the moving target (the line in your sources.list that says stable) has moved from lenny to squeeze... it did that when squeeze was released |
| 00:19.07 | nsadmin | what I would like to recommend is that you use the non-moving name (squeeze) in both lines |
| 00:19.37 | nsadmin | but before we go to squeeze let's try to get your lenny as up to date as possible |
| 00:19.59 | da13371 | ok - so what should the sources.list look like for lenny? |
| 00:20.10 | nsadmin | so, for the first cut, change stable in your sources.list to lenny |
| 00:20.34 | nsadmin | everywhere it says "stable" replace with "lenny" |
| 00:20.47 | nsadmin | everywhere it says "lenny" leave that alone for now |
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| 00:21.23 | da13371 | ok - then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:22.00 | nsadmin | let me look at that sources.list again, one sec |
| 00:22.34 | da13371 | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:22.35 | da13371 | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 00:23.08 | nsadmin | yeah, that looks good |
| 00:23.16 | nsadmin | try an apt-get update |
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| 00:24.19 | nsadmin | let's do this one at a time to make sure the steps are working |
| 00:25.00 | nsadmin | I will say right now that I'm not totally sure this will work, I'm starting with the easiest possible and praying :) |
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| 00:25.18 | da13371 | heh |
| 00:25.24 | da13371 | no errors on apt-get update |
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| 00:25.45 | nsadmin | great... now try: apt-get install perl |
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| 00:29.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering if I could get some help with installing an app demo called Algodoo on Squeeze. I'd like to get it working and purchase it but I'm thinking it might be just bad packaging or just not compatible with squeeze or something. Deb file says debian 5.5 or later. I'm hoping someone else here has gotten it to work and can shed some light. |
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| 00:30.55 | nsadmin | same question to both of you... LinuxGuy2009, da13371: did it install? |
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| 00:31.57 | shirt | how can i add a comment to a binary package control file? |
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| 00:32.28 | da13371 | it worked with errors - making pastebin |
| 00:32.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yes. But throws dependency errors. |
| 00:33.06 | da13371 | http://pastebin.com/A9qtTDQq |
| 00:33.24 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, ok, let me check his, could you make a pastebin too |
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| 00:34.55 | nsadmin | da13371, looks like perl came in ok |
| 00:35.11 | nsadmin | da13371, now try apt-get install locales |
| 00:35.20 | nsadmin | , versions locales |
| 00:35.23 | judd | Package: locales on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 00:35.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: The error I get is ./algodoo.bin: symbol lookup error: ./lib/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: pixman_image_composite32. I got the dependencies fixed. This is what it does now. Running from a desktop folder extraction of the tarball. |
| 00:36.29 | nsadmin | ./? |
| 00:37.17 | nsadmin | interesting... do you have . in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 00:37.48 | da13371 | hrm - still getting perl error on locales install: http://pastebin.com/9SfazqH0 |
| 00:38.04 | da13371 | still not able to run locale either |
| 00:38.19 | nsadmin | it's locale? ok, |
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| 00:38.26 | nsadmin | , file bin/locale |
| 00:38.30 | judd | Search for bin/locale in squeeze/i386: libc-bin: usr/bin/locale; libc6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/locale |
| 00:38.51 | nsadmin | , versions libc-bin |
| 00:38.52 | judd | Package: libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 00:39.09 | qwd | Will Iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net work on PPC? Or would it be better to use apt-pinning to get it from Wheezy? |
| 00:39.19 | nsadmin | need help with the libc thing |
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| 00:42.22 | nsadmin | , file bin/locale --release lenny |
| 00:42.25 | judd | Search for bin/locale in lenny/i386: belocs-locales-bin: usr/bin/locale; libc6: usr/bin/locale; libc6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/locale |
| 00:42.53 | nsadmin | !versions |
| 00:43.08 | nsadmin | !version |
| 00:43.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 00:43.37 | da13371 | nsadmin: i have to afk for about 15 minutes and I really apologize for doing so while you are so graciously helping me out - check this out when you get a chance: http://pastebin.com/caxrgcuU - be back asap |
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| 00:44.17 | nsadmin | da13371, will need you to run: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 00:44.39 | nsadmin | ok, I'll likely be around |
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| 00:53.53 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009, how's it goin |
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| 01:12.00 | da13371 | back nsadmin: im on vaca with the wife celebrating 5 yr anniv. - she made dinner - i would have been poisoned if i didn't eat... heh |
| 01:12.27 | nsadmin | hmm. that seems pretty important |
| 01:12.38 | nsadmin | ok, run this: |
| 01:12.40 | da13371 | ii libc6 2.7-18lenny7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 01:12.43 | nsadmin | da13371, will need you to run: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 01:12.50 | da13371 | ^^ |
| 01:12.56 | nsadmin | oh, that looks ok |
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| 01:13.23 | da13371 | any idea why locale binary appears to be missing, or why perl is still hosed? |
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| 01:13.36 | da13371 | (or what's wrong that im misinterpreting?) |
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| 01:13.49 | nsadmin | run this: echo "- $(which locale)" |
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| 01:16.05 | nsadmin | da13371: I think your perl might be ok |
| 01:17.00 | nsadmin | I'm just making sure your libc is ok |
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| 01:17.54 | da13371 | nothing |
| 01:17.55 | da13371 | - |
| 01:18.11 | nsadmin | ok, so that indicates you don't have that file |
| 01:18.41 | da13371 | what are those perl errors im getting when installing packages? |
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| 01:18.53 | da13371 | feel like maybe some essential part of the installs is failing |
| 01:19.11 | nsadmin | try this: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_* |
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| 01:20.39 | da13371 | ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_*: No such file or directory |
| 01:21.05 | nsadmin | ok, one sec |
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| 01:23.02 | bmoloney | i am trying to debug a program that uses 'sshd -i' (not inetd). Anyone know how to lauch 'sshd -i' from the command line and then set the port? |
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| 01:23.49 | sneakers | I installed from the netinst.iso and for the root password I left it blank. Now I can't log on to root even if I put a blank password there. |
| 01:24.30 | karlpinc | sneakers: Login where? In a terminal? |
| 01:25.03 | sneakers | karlpinc: I do not have X Windows. It boots to a terminal log on prompt. |
| 01:25.17 | sneakers | I can log on as my regular user. |
| 01:25.20 | sneakers | But su - |
| 01:25.22 | sneakers | does not work |
| 01:25.28 | Hydroxide | sneakers: what about logging directly in as root? |
| 01:25.36 | karlpinc | bmoloney: "man ssh" "man sshd_config" |
| 01:25.46 | nsadmin | da13371, this next thing is a bit risky... so I first have to ask, do you have any original material you want to save in case this doesn't work and bad things happen? |
| 01:26.04 | sneakers | Hydroxide: I tried that first. No matter what I type for the password, I get authentication failure. |
| 01:26.24 | sneakers | When I just installed Debian right now, during setup, I just left the root password field blank |
| 01:26.56 | karlpinc | sneakers: Even when you type just the enter key? (You didn't accidently set the root password to something like a space did you?) |
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| 01:26.59 | sneakers | Right now it says debian logon: |
| 01:27.33 | da13371 | nsadmin: i can re-do everything, but it would be a huge timesink |
| 01:27.44 | da13371 | nsadmin: what's the suggestion? |
| 01:27.50 | nsadmin | would you care to back up first? |
| 01:27.53 | sneakers | karlpinc: I have not tried checking for space. And yes, it happens even when I just hit the Enter key. |
| 01:27.57 | Hydroxide | sneakers: yeah, I'm surprised it allowed that. there is an option in the installer to set up sudo and disable the root account, but it's only available in expert mode or by putting a boot option at the installer. |
| 01:27.59 | bmoloney | karlpinc: yes I know, but doing "sshd -i -p <port_number>" doesn't actually seem to make sshd listent on <port_number>... I figured inetd communicates the port number to it in some other way?? |
| 01:28.28 | sneakers | Hydroxide: I hit Enter key for password it says: Login incorrect. |
| 01:28.35 | Hydroxide | sneakers: it very well may have a non-blank password, such as the space karlpinc suggested |
| 01:28.51 | sneakers | Re-install :( |
| 01:28.53 | nsadmin | da13371 the suggestion would be (after considering backup) apt-get install libc6 |
| 01:28.54 | karlpinc | sneakers: And you typed "root" in lower case at the "login:" prompt? |
| 01:29.05 | karlpinc | sneakers: No. |
| 01:29.08 | sneakers | karlpinc: yes in lower case |
| 01:29.10 | Hydroxide | sneakers: anyway, you can reset the root password by rebooting and adding init=/bin/bash to the command line |
| 01:29.23 | albion | having an issue trying to get wireless working on debian 6.0.2 - installed firmware-ralink_0.28_all.deb, blacklisted unwanted drivers in /etc/modprobe.d ... the wireless device is now lit up but is not picking up wireless networks / scanning. I added rt2870sta to /etc/modules. The last time I attempted this and had it working I'm sure I added something more than this, but cant find the same info I managed to last time. |
| 01:29.23 | albion | (Sorry for the lengthy post) Any help much appreciated. |
| 01:29.28 | Hydroxide | sneakers: and then you might have to do mount -oremount,rw / so that the root filesystem is writable - I forget if that's required under current debian |
| 01:29.32 | sneakers | Hydroxide: To what command line at boot time? |
| 01:29.33 | Hydroxide | sneakers: and then type passwd root |
| 01:29.39 | sneakers | Ugh |
| 01:29.40 | sneakers | No |
| 01:29.40 | Hydroxide | sneakers: to the kernel command line from grub |
| 01:29.42 | sneakers | Re-install |
| 01:29.51 | karlpinc | sneakers: reboot. Go into rescue mode on the install cd. it will drop you into shell. You then type "passwd" to reset the password. |
| 01:29.52 | Hydroxide | if you prefer to reinstall, go ahead. it's not required, but if you want, feel free |
| 01:30.15 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: ah, rescue mode is a good idea. I never internalized that - I usually just do a manual chroot |
| 01:30.25 | da13371 | nsadmin: already installed |
| 01:30.33 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Nothing wrong with your method either. |
| 01:30.37 | nsadmin | ok, see if locale exist |
| 01:31.02 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 01:31.05 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: (I like it that your method does not require install media.) |
| 01:31.18 | da13371 | nsadmin: it does not |
| 01:31.27 | da13371 | da13371: it's installed but that binary is missing |
| 01:31.38 | da13371 | nsadmin: it's installed but that binary is missing |
| 01:31.50 | nsadmin | ok, try: apt-get --reinstall install libc6 |
| 01:32.01 | sneakers | karlpinc: It is just a virtual machine. I'm am reinstalling now. |
| 01:32.04 | nsadmin | I think that's the right order |
| 01:33.08 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: yeah. I think I got disinclined to use the rescue shell partly because I learned d-i (and probably the tail end of the boot-floppies era) before it existed, and because the shell it drops you into is a very slow-scrolling/slow-refreshing framebuffer |
| 01:33.32 | da13371 | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/WXumqPnF |
| 01:33.41 | da13371 | nsadmin: more ugliness |
| 01:33.48 | nsadmin | ok, I'll look at that now |
| 01:34.09 | nsadmin | some commercial has jingle that's the same tune as some kiss song |
| 01:34.15 | bmoloney | okay let me phrase this differently... Any idea why 'sshd -p <some_port_number>' works fine but 'sshd -i -p <some_port_number>' does not accept incoming connections on that port? |
| 01:35.38 | da13371 | port in use? sshd already running? |
| 01:35.39 | nsadmin | , file etc/init.d/glibc.sh |
| 01:35.44 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 01:35.58 | nsadmin | , file etc/init.d/glibc.sh --release lenny |
| 01:36.03 | da13371 | etc/init.d/glibc.sh: ERROR: cannot open `etc/init.d/glibc.sh' (No such file or directory) |
| 01:36.03 | judd | Search for etc/init.d/glibc.sh in lenny/i386: libc6: etc/init.d/glibc.sh |
| 01:36.36 | bmoloney | da13371: yes sshd is already running on a different port. Doesn't explain why it works with the '-i' option... |
| 01:36.41 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 01:37.02 | bmoloney | da13371: bah, s/with/without |
| 01:37.33 | da13371 | bmoloney: sorry that suggestion is the extent of my debugging abilities for your issue |
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| 01:37.40 | da13371 | bmoloney: obviously not helpful |
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| 01:39.27 | da13371 | bmoloney: are you sure it's not working? (as opposed to timing out while key generated each time someone connects?) |
| 01:40.11 | symptom | where can one download the wheezy netinstall? |
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| 01:41.27 | bmoloney | da13371: I'm not actually using inetd, I am just trying to debug an issue in gridengine from the command line. So I launch 'sshd -i -p <port_number>' and it seems to start just fine (no errors or anything) but I can not ever connect to that port |
| 01:42.16 | jmarsden | bmoloney: -i means "use inetd" -- so the sshd instance expects a TCP connection to be handed to it by inetd... |
| 01:42.37 | jmarsden | If you are not using inetd, do not use the option that is for "use inetd". |
| 01:42.58 | bmoloney | jmarsden: that is my question... how does inetd hand off the connection? |
| 01:43.21 | bmoloney | jmarsden: I am using gridengine, which also uses the '-i' flag |
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| 01:43.32 | nsadmin | da13371, so now you -should- have /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_* |
| 01:43.35 | nsadmin | PLS CHECK |
| 01:43.45 | nsadmin | ERR... pls check |
| 01:43.59 | NickMind | hey all, what font manager do you use? |
| 01:44.16 | bmoloney | jmarsden: and I am trying to debug an issue where I can't connect using ssh through gridengine |
| 01:44.25 | nsadmin | I used Steve Jobs, but something bad happened... |
| 01:45.56 | da13371 | nsadmin: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18lenny7_i386.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0) |
| 01:46.31 | jmarsden | bmoloney: I'm not sure, it has been a looong time since I used inetd! I'd suggest you man inetd, or read its source, to understand that. Or read gridengine source, since that is what you really are trying to work on :) |
| 01:46.52 | nsadmin | cool, you do have it... what we're going to do is unpack it in a temp dir and move stuff into place |
| 01:47.08 | nsadmin | do these: |
| 01:47.10 | nsadmin | cd |
| 01:47.20 | symptom | where can one download the wheezy netinstall? |
| 01:47.46 | nsadmin | # (this is just for da13371) |
| 01:47.55 | nsadmin | mkdir libc-wrk |
| 01:48.13 | da13371 | j |
| 01:48.14 | nsadmin | cp /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18lenny7_i386.deb libc-wrk |
| 01:48.14 | da13371 | k |
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| 01:48.25 | da13371 | k' |
| 01:48.28 | jmarsden | symptom: Browse to debian.org and click on "Network install" under the "Getting Debian" heading... |
| 01:48.47 | bmoloney | jmarsden: okay, I was hoping there was an easier way to debug |
| 01:48.55 | nsadmin | got that much? |
| 01:49.40 | da13371 | ya |
| 01:49.47 | nsadmin | ok: |
| 01:49.53 | symptom | I found it here |
| 01:49.55 | symptom | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:49.56 | nsadmin | cd libc-wrk |
| 01:50.01 | da13371 | ok |
| 01:50.09 | nsadmin | ar x *.deb |
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| 01:50.26 | da13371 | done |
| 01:50.28 | nsadmin | tar xfz data.tar.gz |
| 01:50.32 | symptom | I remember back in the day it was tough finding a woody testing cd as well. I see the website has been updated, but still tough to find the testing images |
| 01:50.40 | nsadmin | that would unpack the data part |
| 01:50.52 | nsadmin | and you should have some dirs in . |
| 01:50.53 | da13371 | done |
| 01:50.56 | da13371 | yup |
| 01:51.17 | nsadmin | you should have etc/init.d |
| 01:51.23 | nsadmin | how many items there? |
| 01:51.49 | da13371 | just glibc.sh |
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| 01:52.06 | nsadmin | copy that file to /etc/init.d |
| 01:52.38 | da13371 | done |
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| 01:52.52 | nsadmin | you should have usr/bin; how many? |
| 01:53.18 | da13371 | 10 files |
| 01:54.00 | nsadmin | one should be locale |
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| 01:54.16 | nsadmin | copy that into place |
| 01:54.59 | da13371 | done |
| 01:55.49 | nsadmin | I'd like to see what others are there; most likely we want to copy all of them, but it might be the case that we;re ok... try: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 01:56.14 | da13371 | cant hurt to copy them all, right? |
| 01:56.25 | nsadmin | I don't think so no |
| 01:56.45 | nsadmin | the dpkg -i would do that too |
| 01:56.45 | da13371 | dpkg -i *.deb worked. |
| 01:56.46 | dpkg | package *.deb worked. is already installed |
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| 01:57.02 | nsadmin | dpkg, you bot! |
| 01:57.03 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 01:57.38 | nsadmin | good, you should be much closer now |
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| 01:57.43 | nsadmin | try this: |
| 01:57.58 | nsadmin | apt-get install apt-get aptitude dpkg |
| 01:58.19 | da13371 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.34 | nsadmin | ok, then try... |
| 01:58.40 | nsadmin | apt-get install apt aptitude dpkg |
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| 01:59.13 | da13371 | apt is already the newest version. aptitude is already the newest version. dpkg is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:59.31 | nsadmin | ok, we're starting to look good |
| 01:59.32 | marc7 | If I'm running squeeze in an EC2 environment, and I'm attaching an EBS volume⦠what command would I use to make the /dev/ link for the volume? MAKEDEV? mknod? |
| 01:59.54 | nsadmin | now try this: aptitude update |
| 02:00.09 | da13371 | worked |
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| 02:00.25 | nsadmin | we're gooing to use aptitude so it seeds this one extra db |
| 02:00.27 | da13371 | but apt-get update was working too |
| 02:00.30 | da13371 | ok |
| 02:00.44 | nsadmin | try: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:00.52 | nsadmin | see if it looks ok |
| 02:00.59 | nsadmin | don't answer yet |
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| 02:01.17 | da13371 | heh |
| 02:01.32 | nsadmin | how much stuff does it want to do? |
| 02:02.43 | da13371 | nothing |
| 02:02.53 | da13371 | says nothing to do |
| 02:03.19 | nsadmin | oh ok, so it looks like you're now up to date |
| 02:03.31 | nsadmin | for lenny |
| 02:03.43 | nsadmin | and it's starting to look like things are working better |
| 02:04.01 | da13371 | dpkg --get-selections | grep image - this works again now |
| 02:04.01 | dpkg | da13371: are you using Windows? |
| 02:04.41 | nsadmin | a dist upgrade to squeeze will replace everything, which may be a good thing to make sure things happen |
| 02:05.09 | nsadmin | oh, dpkg --get-selections | grep libc6-bin |
| 02:05.21 | nsadmin | is that one line? |
| 02:05.31 | adam__ | I have just upgraded to 6.02, but the connection does not see DNS. /etc/resolv.conf is now run by 'NetworkManager' - where do I configure dns ? |
| 02:08.08 | da13371 | nsadmin: that command didn't return anything |
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| 02:08.17 | da13371 | dpkg --get-selections | grep libc6-bin |
| 02:08.17 | dpkg | da13371: are you using Windows? |
| 02:08.21 | adam__ | dpkg dns |
| 02:08.36 | adam__ | dpkg networkmanager |
| 02:08.36 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <nmcli>, <wireless connection managers>. |
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| 02:14.48 | adam__ | dpkg thanks! |
| 02:14.48 | dpkg | pas de quoi, adam__ |
| 02:15.26 | adam__ | dpkg merci beacoup! |
| 02:15.32 | dpkg | adam__: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:15.55 | nsadmin | da13371 ok, that's actually good |
| 02:15.57 | adam__ | heh .. one problem solved |
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| 02:16.45 | da13371 | nsadmin: ya the kernel installs are auto-kicking off grub now |
| 02:16.58 | da13371 | amd64 did not work |
| 02:17.34 | da13371 | This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i1586 CPU. |
| 02:17.44 | nsadmin | so I just now ran out of time... we got a piece done, and you should be ok to upgrade. Check with someone about the kernel to use with your box, and... |
| 02:17.50 | da13371 | does that mean the i686 kernel wont work? |
| 02:17.53 | nsadmin | !lenny->squeeze |
| 02:18.09 | da13371 | nsadmin: thank you SO much for your help - much appreciated |
| 02:18.12 | nsadmin | argh\ |
| 02:18.28 | nsadmin | np... gonna go play somemusic in marin county :) |
| 02:18.43 | da13371 | not sure what that means, but have fun! |
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| 02:19.09 | nsadmin | where the babes range from 7 - 10+++++ :) |
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| 02:19.58 | da13371 | chix dig *nix |
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| 02:21.05 | nsadmin | well we'll just have to see abt that :) |
| 02:21.25 | adam__ | da13371: I think it means the gentleman will perform in a musical group in Marin County |
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| 02:38.34 | da13371 | nsadmin: i686 kernel working :-) |
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| 02:59.54 | jnewt_ | running lenny still, and need ddrescue. apt-get install ddrescue dd_rescue dd-rescue ddresque doesn't find it. does anyone know the proper name and library for this package (the backup utility) there seems to be some confusing naming surrounding this piece of software and has been logged as several bugs. |
| 03:00.28 | jnewt_ | i guess backup isn't correct, more of imaging. whatever, the one to save your failing disk. |
| 03:02.30 | th0r | jnewt_: ddrescue is in the repos for squeeze |
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| 03:04.18 | jnewt_ | so does it run on lenny? |
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| 03:04.51 | th0r | jnewt_: should be in the lenny repos also. There is also gddrescue...the gnu version |
| 03:05.20 | th0r | jnewt_: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ddrescue |
| 03:05.22 | jnewt_ | hrm, i have the main lenny and backports in sources.list, no luck. |
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| 03:06.03 | th0r | jnewt_: you can download it from that link |
| 03:06.05 | jnewt_ | ok, got gddresuce. |
| 03:06.28 | jnewt_ | tx |
| 03:07.09 | jnewt_ | i don't immediately see a man page, is it identical to ddrescue and no man was created? |
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| 03:18.35 | da13371 | happy to report that server is now running the i686 kernel and is fully updated to squeeze |
| 03:18.51 | da13371 | nsadmin et. al. : thank you very much for your help |
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| 03:30.59 | Flechmen | Hey, what is the minimum space requirements to run a Samba server on Debian? |
| 03:32.11 | un214 | something like 250mb |
| 03:32.52 | Flechmen | Including the base system? |
| 03:32.55 | un214 | yes |
| 03:33.07 | Flechmen | sweet. I've got a 1 GB DOM I want to use |
| 03:36.30 | acu | how long it takes to dd 320 GB hdd ? |
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| 03:37.11 | aypea[2] | how fast is your source and destination? |
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| 03:37.26 | p_quarles | acu: longer than you can hold your breath; but it depends on the speed of the slowest hard drive |
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| 03:37.38 | acu | I did a dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 conv=notrunc, noerror |
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| 03:38.05 | acu | they are both sata 7200rpm |
| 03:38.23 | aypea[2] | as pq said, depends on the speed of the slowest drive |
| 03:38.40 | aypea[2] | is this a full version of dd? |
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| 03:38.50 | acu | do you guys use lvm on top of raid ? |
| 03:38.52 | aypea[2] | if so hit ^\ and it'll tell you the current speed |
| 03:39.02 | aypea[2] | you can guesstimate from there |
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| 03:39.15 | acu | aypea[2], how would I know if it is full version ? |
| 03:39.34 | aypea[2] | acu: are you running this from an installer cd or from a full install? |
| 03:40.05 | acu | well, one of the hard disk is live |
| 03:40.22 | acu | I mean I booted on one hard disk and dd into the other |
| 03:40.40 | aypea[2] | well that's pretty dangerous. i wouldn't be dding a live hd |
| 03:40.47 | aypea[2] | you're not guaranteed to get all the data. |
| 03:40.48 | acu | I have a system I want to do a live backup - I cannot shutdown the server, and I thought I would try this |
| 03:41.05 | aypea[2] | if it's a linux system, go for rsync. safer. |
| 03:41.20 | p_quarles | acu: that's not recommended for live backup; you can take a snapshot if you have an lvm setup though |
| 03:41.21 | acu | aypea[2], for live, rsync would have been better ? |
| 03:41.23 | aypea[2] | but still, you may have problems depending on the stuff you run |
| 03:41.49 | p_quarles | dd pretty much depends on having an offline, unmounted disk to work correctly |
| 03:42.10 | aypea[2] | if you /really/ want to do this on a live system, lvm+snapshot, then take a copy of the snapshot. |
| 03:42.11 | acu | Oh I see - so I screw it - anyhow this is not the "real" system |
| 03:43.12 | acu | I always avoided lvm, thought that if you have one hard disk dead, everything is screwed |
| 03:44.01 | acu | I thought of lvm as the opposite of raid :) |
| 03:44.38 | aypea[2] | lvm is not useful everywhere |
| 03:44.49 | acu | Maybe I should get better and build a raid 5 and create a physical volume and then a group and LVM logical drive out of that |
| 03:44.52 | aypea[2] | only uses it in select instances. |
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| 03:45.05 | acu | instances like ... ? |
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| 03:45.28 | aypea[2] | well THE major use for it for me is in my clustered storage setup |
| 03:45.40 | aypea[2] | then it's within the virtual machines themselves for hd resizing |
| 03:45.49 | acu | On the other hand lvm you can always increase or move the staff without shutting off the server |
| 03:45.50 | aypea[2] | aaand ummm... there it ends for now :) |
| 03:46.23 | crodjer | I am using gnome nm-applet (awesome wm). But I am unable to configure it to use mobile broadband. nmcli doesn't enable the device (wwan). |
| 03:46.28 | un214 | You can use dd on a mounted drive, as long as its mounted readonly |
| 03:46.36 | un214 | I've done it |
| 03:47.20 | aypea[2] | crod: you need other stuff |
| 03:47.30 | acu | is Debian Squeeze 6.03 out ? |
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| 03:49.07 | aypea[2] | crod: not that i can remember the package name now. sigh. |
| 03:49.54 | crodjer | The device is shown in ifconfig |
| 03:50.15 | acu | I have three hard disks (two 1.5 TB and one 1 TB) having a lot of redundant files on it, does anyone know any reliable file duplicate find application ? |
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| 03:52.16 | jnewt_ | acu: you wouldn't happen to have these drives shared through samba and access to a win pc would you? |
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| 03:55.30 | acu | jnewt_ no, why ? |
| 03:56.02 | acu | I could if that will solve my problem |
| 03:56.32 | acu | though the content is redundant, one of the hard disk is formated as ext4, another one has some ntfs and ext3 |
| 03:56.48 | jnewt_ | i just cleaned out tons of files using a program called duplicate cleaner from digital volcano, don't know if it's free or not, i can't remeber, but i like it, a lot. |
| 03:56.56 | Rusty1 | acu: if i open synaptic and enter 'dup' in the search box a couple of progs show up - fdupes, rfind |
| 03:57.35 | jnewt_ | acu: ^^+mine were on my server too, but i generally work from a win pc, so they were all mapped via samba |
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| 03:58.57 | acu | Rusty1, I will try fdupes and rfind, I tried fslint, is a beta joke |
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| 04:00.41 | acu | another stupid question - so dd should be used when both origin and target hard disk are unmounted ? |
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| 04:04.43 | acu | OK, see you around - many thanks |
| 04:04.54 | un214 | acu: orgin unmounted or readonly, target unmounted |
| 04:05.01 | un214 | oops too late |
| 04:05.14 | jnewt_ | need to stop my cron backup from running tonight, as i'm trying to save a disk. is the best way just to kill the cron process and start later? |
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| 04:05.58 | jnewt_ | just a simple ps aux | grep cron ... kill #### |
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| 04:06.43 | aypea[2] | damnit. need a debian with a better kernel :/ |
| 04:07.42 | Flechmen | Hey, so, I've got my network set up to netboot clients into a debian install. pxelinux loads but then says that it can't find pxelinux.cfg/default. My tftpd says it transfered it then the client returned an error |
| 04:07.49 | umadbro | compile it from source, aypea[2] |
| 04:08.00 | aypea[2] | i need to install it first :) |
| 04:08.16 | aypea[2] | once done then i'll grab a normal kernel and compile |
| 04:08.45 | umadbro | yes |
| 04:08.46 | aypea[2] | but i need to get it on there. stupid thing recognises the wireless card but only lets me do WEP and not WPA2 |
| 04:08.49 | aypea[2] | sigh. |
| 04:09.05 | aypea[2] | wonders if wheezy will fair better |
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| 04:10.20 | acu | just wanted to let you know that dd worked - the origin hard disk, was the hard disk I booted and running debian squeeze - and the target disk, was actually mounted - everything works like a charm, including grub et al -- |
| 04:10.28 | acu | dd rocks |
| 04:10.30 | acu | !dd |
| 04:10.30 | dpkg | hmm... dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
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| 04:11.16 | acu | it means that I can use it in live system |
| 04:11.19 | acu | bye |
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| 04:21.25 | neoice | has anyone here successfully run Debian on new (2011) macbooks? seems like there's a boatload of drivers that need hacked in |
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| 04:21.37 | neoice | lots of dkms stuff :/ |
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| 04:43.21 | ar9 | hey could someone help me set up a samba share? |
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| 04:48.04 | albion | hi all, trying to get ndiswrapper working in debian squeeze. all dependencies installed, getting this error "fatal: module ndiswrapper not found" ..ive ran sudo depmod -a and tried to modprobe ndiswrapper but still nothing, any ideas? :s |
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| 05:01.39 | Flechmen | Hey, the netinstall package for PXE booting doesn't seem to work |
| 05:02.34 | karlpinc | Flechmen: ? |
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| 05:04.10 | Flechmen | karlpinc, Debian gives a package for doing a PXE install. I've got my DHCP and TFTP server set up, when the client goes to boot it's running into errors |
| 05:04.53 | karlpinc | Flechmen: Yah. But what errors? |
| 05:05.08 | karlpinc | Flechmen: And what's the package? I know only of a tarball. |
| 05:05.38 | Bushmills | Flechmen's error description doesn't seem to work |
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| 05:06.49 | Flechmen | karlpinc, yes, the tarball. Going by the instructions provided, it just says the client IP, DHCP server IP, and Gateway IP, then shows a flashing light. and, the tftpd output is here: http://pastebin.com/0y5Bv0eK |
| 05:08.47 | karlpinc | Flechmen: If it's sending 32 bytes then you're not sending the right file. |
| 05:09.02 | karlpinc | Flechmen: Try with a tftp client. |
| 05:11.09 | Flechmen | karlpinc, looking at the pxelinux.0 that's in the root directory of that tarball, I would say so too. |
| 05:11.34 | windparadise | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.36 | windparadise | nstalled |
| 05:11.37 | windparadise | E: Broken packages |
| 05:11.45 | windparadise | how do I please fix this ? |
| 05:13.23 | windparadise | any answer please/ |
| 05:13.24 | windparadise | ? |
| 05:14.37 | Flechmen | karlpinc, so, I pointed my tftpd to the debian-installers/i386/ directory so it would use the pxelinux.0 that's in there. Doing that, it tells me it can't find pxelinux.cfg/default. tftpd output: http://pastebin.com/5Ernt1uf |
| 05:15.31 | cicerone | !dotdeb |
| 05:15.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 05:26.24 | ownerguest | Hello I need help with Debian Squeeze is this the right place? |
| 05:27.31 | ownerguest | I'm using Debian Squeeze but my sources.list file doesn't seem to have the right repositories in it |
| 05:27.50 | ownerguest | can anyone find me the list of default repositories for Debian Squeeze 64 bit? |
| 05:31.16 | flower | standart repos seems enough for a while |
| 05:31.53 | ownerguest | I don't have the standard repos flower |
| 05:32.05 | ownerguest | flower and I don't know where to find them online |
| 05:32.09 | flower | wots in ur sources.list? |
| 05:33.30 | flower | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main |
| 05:33.45 | flower | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:33.49 | flower | thats in mine |
| 05:33.57 | flower | but im not using debian pure |
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| 05:43.14 | NickMind | someone clear my head. This line: *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 05:43.36 | NickMind | mean that all messages are loged to syslog file |
| 05:43.41 | NickMind | *.* |
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| 05:45.23 | Flechmen | bawhaha, got it to work |
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| 06:05.34 | Bushmills | suggests to check out dnsmasq, which provides a dhcp server, tftp server and name server in one single program, having everything needed server-side for netboot |
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| 06:14.45 | Flechmen | Bushmills, was that aimed at me? |
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| 06:15.29 | NickMind | someone msg me if your all good with syslog configuration. |
| 06:17.35 | Bushmills | Flechmen: if that possibility to run all in one single package intrigues you, then i'd say "yes" |
| 06:18.11 | Bushmills | otherwise put it aside as channel noise |
| 06:18.44 | Flechmen | Bushmills, I just wasn't sure who you were talking to.. I was using dnsmasq just now to get my PXE boot install working. dnsmasq on my router, pointing to tftpd64 (windows) on my desktop. :p |
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| 06:19.37 | Bushmills | about the same here. just no windows |
| 06:20.22 | Bushmills | and server is router, storage on usb stick :) |
| 06:20.42 | Flechmen | I'd put the storage on my router too, but my router is just a little Linksys thing running ddwrt |
| 06:21.36 | Bushmills | but running all the time, making it more or less ideal as boot server |
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| 06:22.11 | Flechmen | Indeed. Well, I just wanted to install on this one machine. Didn't want to use up a CD for it and it's too old to boot from USB |
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| 06:23.13 | Bushmills | consider to keep it active for things like rescue systems, memory test, partitioning, system installation |
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| 06:24.04 | Flechmen | Yea, I want to set up something eventually where I can boot a computer from the network and have the options to install a veriety of Windows versions and Linux distros |
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| 06:27.31 | Agiofws | hey is anyone using the 3.1 vanilla kernel in debian ? |
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| 06:29.05 | Agiofws | hey is there a site which tells you what modules should be enabled if you pastethe output of lspci or soemthing like that ? |
| 06:30.44 | philipballew | How do I upgrade flash to a newer version? chrome full screen is really blurry |
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| 06:39.00 | Flechmen | Lol... ok.. 1 GB is not enogh disk space for a debian server aparently.. |
| 06:39.17 | meh | lol |
| 06:39.28 | Flechmen | I'm gonna have to get a bigger DOM |
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| 06:57.06 | peterrooney | Flechmen: only if you avoid all desktop temptations would that be possible. |
| 06:58.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 06:58.21 | Flechmen | peterrooney, I did. I selected web server, file server, ssh server, and standard utilities. |
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| 06:58.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | I was wondering if you know what config I got to change to fix my network interfaces that are created at bootup? |
| 06:58.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | I had to change something for kvm before but i forgot what it was. It had to do with changing eth0 to br0. |
| 06:59.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | and its not /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:03.24 | s0mething | hello can someone help turn on compositing in debian 6.0.2 stable ? |
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| 07:06.03 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: you might want to start here - pick the pages from there, it is essentially the info from the bot http://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
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| 07:06.39 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: puts you here tbh http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking |
| 07:06.41 | Acolyte | does wheezy has support for broadcom 4331 drivers? |
| 07:07.04 | ompaul | !broadcom |
| 07:07.05 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 07:07.21 | s0mething | hello can someone help turn on compositing in debian 6.0.2 stable ? |
| 07:07.29 | ompaul | Acolyte: which one is it |
| 07:07.42 | ompaul | !b43 |
| 07:07.42 | dpkg | b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:07.56 | Acolyte | Broadcom Corporation BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 02) |
| 07:08.42 | ompaul | Acolyte: from my reading of that page yes |
| 07:09.35 | ompaul | Acolyte: you do know about firmware-linux-nonfree (install that it might help if it doesn't work out of the box |
| 07:09.56 | Acolyte | ompaul: yes, I've added it to apt/sources |
| 07:10.16 | ompaul | Acolyte: that is a package |
| 07:10.34 | ompaul | i.e. you install that |
| 07:10.52 | Acolyte | ompaul: via apt-get? |
| 07:11.41 | Acolyte | what I meant was that I've added wheezy repo for contrib and non free, done aptitude update |
| 07:12.00 | ompaul | Acolyte: aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree in that case |
| 07:13.42 | twofish | meh, does anybody know when either the xorg people or the nv people are gonna un-break X for people with cards that don't do trapezoid acceleration or whatever? |
| 07:13.52 | Acolyte | ompaul: doesn't seem to find it as part of wheezy repo, checking ... |
| 07:13.57 | s0mething | hello can someone help turn on compositing in debian 6.0.2 stable ? |
| 07:14.00 | twofish | i'st really startin to annoy me |
| 07:14.29 | twofish | and i can't type right because X doesn't render this text field fast enough |
| 07:14.37 | ompaul | s0mething: please give it 10 - 15 min gaps you are not seeing sufficient joins for there to be people who won't see it in back scroll |
| 07:15.15 | ompaul | twofish: you really want to give nvidia a hard time over not releasing enough specs |
| 07:15.38 | twofish | probably |
| 07:15.59 | ompaul | na you and every other nvidia running linux user should be on their case |
| 07:16.10 | ompaul | make it so costly not to |
| 07:16.17 | ompaul | and the same for the ati users |
| 07:16.28 | twofish | but at the end of the day someone's gotta solve the problem and afiak the x people were like "screw you for using nonfree drivers" |
| 07:16.45 | twofish | but then I tried nouveau and same problem |
| 07:16.52 | twofish | actually worse ones |
| 07:16.59 | Acolyte | ompaul: can't seem to find the package... should it be deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/dists/ wheezy/main contrib non-free? |
| 07:17.02 | ompaul | twofish: end of day my solution I use kde and intel |
| 07:17.20 | twofish | icky kde |
| 07:17.34 | ompaul | twofish: obviously you have no taste ;-) |
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| 07:18.10 | twofish | Xmonad + Gnome |
| 07:18.43 | ompaul | twofish: you could go running a second partition where you work with either of the above camps and provide dumps of the reaction to free drivers |
| 07:18.49 | twofish | (stripped down to just nautilus and the taskbar) |
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| 07:19.54 | twofish | no free space for more partitions |
| 07:20.10 | ompaul | Acolyte: if that works for one package it will work for all |
| 07:20.26 | ompaul | Acolyte: if it doesn't your sources are wrong |
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| 07:20.39 | Acolyte | ompaul: okay, thank you |
| 07:21.31 | twofish | the other problem is I think it's kinda low priority cause it affects like 3 cards or something |
| 07:21.46 | ompaul | Acolyte: just do apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree (note non is not none and doesn't have a non- in it ;-)) |
| 07:22.07 | ompaul | twofish: I buy intel for a reason |
| 07:22.10 | Acolyte | ompaul: yes, managed to get it off std repo (not tr.debian.org), initramfs updated |
| 07:22.32 | twofish | ompaul does intel make gfx cards now? |
| 07:22.39 | twofish | I'm not up on the hardware scene |
| 07:22.56 | twofish | I mean, I don't really need accel for anything |
| 07:22.59 | ompaul | twofish: I hope so, all three of my boxes here (two lenovo (1lappy) and one shuttle) |
| 07:23.13 | twofish | oh that's embedded graphics |
| 07:23.17 | Acolyte | ompaul: now what though? restart or modprobe? |
| 07:23.23 | ompaul | Acolyte: restart |
| 07:23.43 | twofish | shared mem grapics has a horrible performance hit on not only the graphics but on the rest of the system |
| 07:23.43 | ompaul | you could modprobe but you are 100% sure it will be available next time if it is there |
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| 07:24.25 | ompaul | twofish: tell that to i3 chipset and so on and we are straying off straight support - I'm in -offtopic also |
| 07:24.27 | twofish | because the bus and northbridge get clogged with DMA requests from the gfx chip |
| 07:24.31 | Acolyte | ompaul: side question: how to build Makefile with make ignoring warnings as errors? I attempted -i switch to no avail |
| 07:25.11 | ompaul | Acolyte: do you want to write that down again? |
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| 07:25.47 | Acolyte | ompaul: haven't asked it before, though, but okay |
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| 07:26.04 | ompaul | is it -w you want in place of -pedantic ;-) |
| 07:27.19 | Acolyte | ompaul: you've got me lost there ;) |
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| 07:27.27 | ompaul | is it -w you want |
| 07:27.44 | jack | good aftternoon! everyone |
| 07:27.47 | Acolyte | error: variable '_qzz_res' set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable] cc1plus: all warnings being treated as errors |
| 07:27.48 | ompaul | Acolyte: it will inhibit all warnings |
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| 07:28.08 | Acolyte | ompaul: makes no diff |
| 07:28.23 | ompaul | Acolyte: you got me there then |
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| 07:28.36 | ompaul | Acolyte: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.6/gcc/Warning-Options.html |
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| 07:30.44 | s0mething | can someone help to turn on compositing in debian 6.0.2 stable ? |
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| 07:31.27 | Acolyte | ompaul: alright, coming back to bcm4331.. restarted the system but iwconfig shows nothing out of ordinary |
| 07:31.56 | Flechmen | Ok, how do I go about chaning my "domain" in Debian? The installer set it to molalla.net and now my ssh terminal tries to connect to nas.molalla.net.. which is incorrect of course |
| 07:31.56 | ompaul | aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 07:32.26 | ompaul | Acolyte: it could be legacy package please chacek the page http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 07:34.02 | s0mething | Flechmen, |
| 07:34.09 | s0mething | type in terminal |
| 07:34.24 | s0mething | domainname --help |
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| 07:38.12 | Acolyte | 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 02) Subsystem: Apple Computer Inc. Device 00e4, modprobe b43 or b43legacy does jack all |
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| 07:38.55 | Flechmen | s0mething, that only displays the domain? |
| 07:39.22 | s0mething | read description |
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| 07:41.21 | Flechmen | s0mething, ok, but how would I tell it to set the domain name as nothing.. 0 |
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| 07:47.29 | ompaul | Flechmen: then you should (a) ssh -C user@ip address or (B) create a working dns for your location |
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| 07:48.42 | Flechmen | ompaul, I don't need an external domain name for it.. it's serving a LAN. and I'd rather type in just "nas" instead of "192.168.1.123" |
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| 07:49.09 | ompaul | Flechmen: then you need to make your network all one domain name |
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| 07:49.25 | ompaul | or put stuff in /etc/hosts (not great but it works) |
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| 07:49.59 | ompaul | Flechmen: I have to go in about 5 mins so I'll leave the rest as an exercise to the reader |
| 07:50.04 | Flechmen | At this point, it'll just be easer to re-install and make sure the installer doesn't set a dnsdomainname |
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| 07:52.29 | ompaul | no |
| 07:52.43 | ompaul | vi /etc/hosts and put the ip and machine name in there |
| 07:53.12 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. How do I configure aptitude NOT to install the 'recommended' packages, just dependencies? |
| 07:53.22 | ompaul | call it apt-get |
| 07:53.37 | bzed | apt-get install recommends, too |
| 07:53.58 | ompaul | bzed: eh, it installs deps |
| 07:53.58 | Flechmen | I'd have to do that on all of the computers of my network. LIke I said tho, I just installed it and the first time I go to log in over ssh, it redirects me to something belonging to my ISP.... |
| 07:53.59 | bzed | hid3: apt-get --no-install-recommends |
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| 07:54.09 | hid3 | I actually prefer apt-get over aptitude |
| 07:54.15 | bzed | ompaul: since squeeze apt-get installs recommends, too |
| 07:54.33 | hid3 | bzed: is there any way (create a config file or..?) so that I won't need to supply that param every time? |
| 07:54.37 | ompaul | bzed: I better not tell you I'm running sid |
| 07:54.51 | ompaul | hid3: alias |
| 07:54.53 | hid3 | I mean, I want to avoid the recommended packages every time I use apt-get |
| 07:54.59 | hid3 | Oh, I see |
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| 07:55.20 | bzed | hid3: I have http://devel.recluse.de/~bzed/.publish/2011-10-08-yJGsxFAwFiU/01default in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 07:55.58 | bzed | hid3: what you are looking for is the APT::Install-Recommends "0"; |
| 07:56.00 | bzed | line |
| 07:56.07 | bzed | but the others might be useful, too :0 |
| 07:56.10 | bzed | :) |
| 07:56.19 | Agiofws | hi |
| 07:56.21 | Agiofws | is there a debian equivalent for mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.25 2.6.25 ? |
| 07:56.32 | hid3 | Thanks! |
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| 07:58.48 | bzed | Agiofws: man update-initramfs |
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| 08:00.21 | Agiofws | update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.18-1-686 is that how you create an initrd image ? |
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| 08:00.30 | twofish | can someone point me in the right direction for building a debian package from source? |
| 08:00.46 | twofish | not my own, something I got with apt-get source pkgname |
| 08:00.51 | twofish | and then applied a patch too |
| 08:01.30 | twofish | and I would think it would come with the DEBIAN directory already populated but not so much? |
| 08:03.17 | twofish | nvm figured it out |
| 08:03.35 | twofish | I guess the old was was to run dpkg --build against the source dir |
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| 08:04.02 | bzed | twofish: dpkg-buildpackage :) |
| 08:04.04 | twofish | but the new way is to use dpkg-buildpackage from inside the source dir, and it uses the "debian" directory (lower case) |
| 08:04.13 | twofish | bzed yep, thanks |
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| 08:04.56 | bzed | twofish: dpkg-buildpackage is the right way since a loooooooong time. the DEBIAN directory part is handled internally ;) |
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| 08:05.33 | hid3 | Any updates about the upcomming 6.0.4 point release? |
| 08:05.39 | hid3 | sorry, it's only 6.0.3 |
| 08:06.03 | twofish | well I've found that with debian the "ancient way of doing things" tends to hang around as a high priority on google for a long time for whatever reason |
| 08:06.27 | twofish | found this out the hard way with kernel compilation |
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| 08:07.43 | Guest360 | twofish: Just pepper your query with "squeeze" or "wheezy" -- What are you working on? (/me is nosy again) |
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| 08:17.00 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/177994 |
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| 08:20.46 | NickMind | is /dev/console still used? |
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| 08:30.42 | twofish | yay, it worked |
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| 08:31.33 | twofish | if anybody comes in wonder about how to fix the slowness in xorg and has a 9500, 9600, or 8600 series nvidia graphics card using nouveau or nonfree drivers then applying this patch: |
| 08:31.33 | twofish | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=43275&d=1317933433 |
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| 08:31.50 | twofish | to xorg-xserver and rebuilding it seems to fix the problem |
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| 08:38.16 | cicerone | twofish, that sounds like a job for BTS and submit to it |
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| 09:03.04 | valdyn | twofish: dont just give the patch but the forum thread, theres various versions of X and the patch might already be applied in newer versions |
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| 09:10.12 | twofish | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166698 |
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| 09:10.41 | twofish | this is already in BTS for the issue though, it just get's forwarded to the thread cause the xorg people are apparently convinced its not their problem |
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| 09:16.27 | ChesterX | Hello, I installed squeeze in english and would now like to add language support (view website, documents and be able to type) for chinese (simplidied and traditional), japanese and korean. So far I could find any "language" applet that would enable me to chose directly the languages, do I have to install all the packets manually? |
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| 09:19.15 | twofish | ChesterX run dpkg-reconfigure locales then install fonts for the langauges you want |
| 09:19.22 | twofish | or install "unifont" |
| 09:19.23 | dutchfish | hi, i wonder if there is some basic stepper motor control lib inside Debian, any hints welcome. |
| 09:19.45 | twofish | as for input, look into UIM (Universal Input Method) |
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| 09:20.23 | Deesl | how can I list all the services that run at startup on a Debian box? |
| 09:20.34 | dutchfish | Deesl, ps auxww |
| 09:20.39 | daemonkeeper | dutchfish: I wonder how that should work. That merely depends on the interface used, there is no standard hardware bus afaict. |
| 09:20.59 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, sure, i know, but anything would ben ice as a starter |
| 09:21.12 | Deesl | dutchfish: nopes I am looking for something like rc-update --list on Gentoo |
| 09:21.28 | dutchfish | Deesl, good tip, ty |
| 09:21.44 | Deesl | dutchfish: ????? |
| 09:21.48 | daemonkeeper | I wrote something in Pascal, uhm 12 years ago. I used the parallel port and direct I/O |
| 09:22.17 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, yes, trying to avoid that road, because i need 4 steppers |
| 09:22.51 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, something like usb ftdi based or serial |
| 09:23.06 | daemonkeeper | The IO was the easiest part as far as I can remember. |
| 09:23.29 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, yes, i am delving into the niches of step and half step |
| 09:24.06 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, before i try form scratch, i wonder if someone else did this already, hence my q |
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| 09:24.48 | daemonkeeper | Yes, I understand. But unless there is a industry standard bus to interface stepper motors, I doubt there is a usable library at all. |
| 09:25.22 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, a lib with an api that could be bent to your needs, would be a nice thingy to have |
| 09:26.06 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, or even not a lib but a package |
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| 09:26.30 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, anyway thank you for the input |
| 09:26.47 | Bushmills | dutchfish: just from scratch here too. and probably in a source form not very usable to you. also some direct drive motor control, involving some TI motor controller chip |
| 09:26.48 | daemonkeeper | Don't know about your schematic, but if you have a TTL/CMOS gate you control by a computer interface, e.g. say the USB or serial/parallel port, it's really nothing else than setting and unsetting a given bit at time. |
| 09:27.27 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, not if you want stepper speed, instant break etc |
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| 09:28.08 | daemonkeeper | Well, that's probably somehow encoded |
| 09:28.09 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, i was thinking about ULN driven interface or the like |
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| 09:28.54 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, yes |
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| 09:30.15 | daemonkeeper | The only problem is, these days operating systems don't like direct in-/output anymore and want people to use some standard interfaces instead. In good old times of no memory protection such things were easier. |
| 09:30.42 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, yep, on an SBC i would tackle it in ASM |
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| 09:31.18 | daemonkeeper | On Linux, you can use inb(2)/outb(2) but you need root privileges to do so. |
| 09:31.31 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, hence i want a lib |
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| 09:32.27 | daemonkeeper | Well, your lib would really be a kernel module then |
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| 09:32.51 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, a kernel module in the end would be another possibility, but i doubt there is a need for it |
| 09:33.18 | daemonkeeper | For your use case it should be really easy to achieve by using a kernel module. |
| 09:33.47 | daemonkeeper | Just register a character device, send ioctls to it, and translate that to a inb/outb calls |
| 09:33.54 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, mm... maybe, i have to delv einto further and take a braod path then |
| 09:33.54 | xingu | dutchfish: arduino? |
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| 09:34.07 | dutchfish | xingu, no, i need the debian system for it |
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| 09:34.44 | xingu | dutchfish: the adk is available for linux... |
| 09:34.44 | dutchfish | xingu, to much control logic behind it for the steppers work |
| 09:34.57 | dutchfish | xingu, oh, that would be nice, hint? |
| 09:35.14 | xingu | http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software |
| 09:35.22 | dutchfish | xingu, ty |
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| 09:52.17 | eptalon | heyas |
| 09:53.14 | eptalon | I have had some trouble with XFCE4 (in sid), that usb devices show up on the desktop, but mounting them fails as "not permitted" |
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| 10:01.26 | Pinchiukas | Anyone have any ideas why I can't mount the device: http://pastebin.com/9QvGvum1 ? |
| 10:03.10 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: your initial ramdisk has no /root directory? |
| 10:03.58 | Pinchiukas | How can that be? |
| 10:04.07 | Pinchiukas | I didn't build it myself, Debian scripts built it. |
| 10:04.21 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: alternatively /dev/xdva1 does not exist |
| 10:04.26 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: i dont know, go look |
| 10:04.39 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: that means go look at the initrd |
| 10:04.42 | Pinchiukas | If you look up a few lines, it kinda does exist. |
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| 10:05.07 | valdyn | Pinchiukas: the physical device exists, that does not spawn the device node |
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| 10:07.04 | Pinchiukas | goes on to extract initrd... |
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| 10:12.29 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: the initrd doesn't have a /root or a /dev. :) |
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| 10:17.48 | Pinchiukas | valdyn: though I checked the initrd on a working machine and it didn't have a /root or a /dev as well... |
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| 10:20.56 | ChesterX | twofish, thank you - I can now read all the websites. However some names of files friends send me cannot be shown (they say: invalid encoding). Is this because I am still missing some packages? |
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| 10:29.36 | Pinchiukas | Anyone? :/ |
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| 10:33.24 | Guest11346 | good evening! This is my secind time on ICR. I'm new debian. Last time thanks to many fellow members I solved a problem |
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| 10:33.37 | Guest11346 | I now have another question |
| 10:34.09 | Guest11346 | please if anyone can help. i download AoE component to put my PC as AoE server |
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| 10:34.51 | Guest11346 | however after I create the etherd node, i issued aoe-stat command and return no result |
| 10:34.59 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, line 146 gives a clue, i suspect bad hardware timers. I have expireinced that myself, also see the woble issue in latest kernel development, i suspect that also has something to do with it. I have no clear solution. |
| 10:35.56 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, wich kernel are you trying? |
| 10:36.10 | Pinchiukas | linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 |
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| 10:36.36 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, yes, i was using the same one |
| 10:37.41 | Guest11346 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 10:37.52 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i am not sure if this is related (still investigating it) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=d670ec13178d0fd8680e6742a2bc6e04f28f87d8 |
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| 10:39.21 | MrMind | is it possible to get kde 4.7 on top of debian stable? |
| 10:39.24 | Pinchiukas | I don't know that much about timers... |
| 10:39.24 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, for me a delay loop on boot for the spindles to setle, solved it in some cases, i gues since the boot process on modern machines is so fast, this is related |
| 10:39.41 | Pinchiukas | I use a delay of 15 seconds. |
| 10:39.45 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, thats all i can tell atm |
| 10:39.55 | Pinchiukas | Line 146? It's this: [ 0.000000] Memory: 1736608k/1781760k available (2635k kernel code, 43812k reserved, 1455k data, 404k init, 1044488k highmem) |
| 10:40.25 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, oops my mistake line 163 |
| 10:41.07 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, notice the huge time jump between 162 and 163 |
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| 10:42.13 | Pinchiukas | 0.4ms? |
| 10:42.26 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, cpu freq too |
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| 10:42.48 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, its a guestimate at that point |
| 10:43.13 | Guest11346 | please help! |
| 10:43.13 | Pinchiukas | I'm starting to think there's something wrong with the drivers or something... |
| 10:43.47 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i don't exclude that, but i only share what i have expirienced |
| 10:43.49 | Kaede | adriana is onjoin msging people with links. |
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| 10:45.03 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, broken hardware is another option, but that is a wild gues |
| 10:45.59 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, what happens when you disable cpu states in the bios? |
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| 10:47.44 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, xen kernels can be picky on some hardware about that |
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| 10:49.03 | Pinchiukas | I can't control the hardware. :) This is on EC2. My guess would be that I've tried to boot on a hundred machines. :) |
| 10:49.23 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 10:50.14 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, have you tried with 2.6.18 kernel with a small lenny setup on EC2? |
| 10:50.29 | Pinchiukas | No. |
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| 10:50.57 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, or even a 2.6.26 (wich i still do run sometimes for some purposes) |
| 10:51.43 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: you're thinking about the timer problem? |
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| 10:51.49 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, yes |
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| 10:52.42 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and the way locking was banded in newer kernels, and the way it does timekeeping, and the way newer kernels handle small jiffies |
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| 10:53.37 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and above that C-states and the pickyness of xen kernels about that |
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| 10:54.19 | Pinchiukas | Well ok, I'll try debootstrapping lenny. |
| 10:54.30 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, this problem gets magnified if a separate backend is used over thing slike nfs and iscsi |
| 10:54.41 | Pinchiukas | And I bet it is. :) |
| 10:55.04 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, my best bet as a testrun would be lenny on 2.6.26 |
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| 10:55.14 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, (for a xen kernel) |
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| 10:58.05 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, one more thingy, make absolutely clear that your repo is clean, not assume it, test it. |
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| 10:59.22 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i have wasted too many costly hours with a bad image ;) |
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| 11:02.13 | mezod | adriana is a bot |
| 11:02.39 | mark76 | Aha! |
| 11:02.49 | mark76 | That's why she keeps popping up |
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| 11:04.12 | mst | sec. |
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| 11:04.20 | mst | ah, there we go |
| 11:04.25 | mark76 | :) |
| 11:04.41 | mst | /quote remove # beats rejoin code |
| 11:05.19 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: repo? image? |
| 11:05.23 | Pinchiukas | I'm debootstrapping it. |
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| 11:08.13 | mark76 | Does anyone know why I couldn't run the Sawfish configuration manager gui on Squeeze? |
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| 11:09.07 | file-exists-p | Hi all. I have a laptop + external monitor on vga. is there any option to put in xorg.conf so that when the server starts, it ignores the external display ? |
| 11:09.16 | file-exists-p | (already asked in #xorg, no answer) |
| 11:09.20 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ok |
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| 11:47.30 | archman | Has anyone managed to use squeeze with pinning to wheezy (i want to install uswsusp that way) (i have it installed locally, already)? Looks like apt just ignores my "preferences" file.. |
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| 11:51.22 | somiaj | archman: don't mix stable and testing. |
| 11:51.57 | somiaj | archman: if you have installed testing packages and pulled in some core files (because of depends) you will most likely experience unexpected bugs. Use backports |
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| 11:56.13 | archman | somiaj: i didn't install any core files. i'm asking how to do pinning, you don't need to warn me, i've already (been warned 100 times) and read about the consequences. :) |
| 11:57.11 | archman | somiaj: i'm talking about "uswsusp", which needs no other package upgraded. |
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| 11:58.44 | somiaj | archman: then just download the .deb and install it with dpkg. |
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| 11:58.56 | somiaj | archman: having testing sources on stable will only lead to problems. |
| 11:59.57 | archman | somiaj: again, you didn't answer me anything. does this mean that pinning to wheezy is not possible at all? |
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| 12:01.29 | cicerone | !tell archman about bobbitt |
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| 12:02.40 | archman | ... |
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| 12:03.05 | somiaj | sure its possible, you can also install whatever you want on your computer be it binary, source, unoffical. But pinning wheezy on a stable install is a bad idea. Backports are what you want, so use backports. |
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| 12:04.35 | User_CL | hi, download debian, trie install but not detect my hard disk ... |
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| 12:04.45 | ompaul | archman: they who breaks their system gets to keep the pieces, there is a point beyond reasonable care and attention to the box that the channel won't support, frankendebian or frankenbuntu being two ways known to destroy working systems :-) |
| 12:04.46 | User_CL | have one ssd new |
| 12:04.47 | archman | somiaj: ok, but why does it want to upgrade my entire system if i set 900 for Pin: release n=squeeze and - 10 for Pin: release o=Debian ? |
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| 12:05.11 | somiaj | archman: apt-cache policy <pkgname> -- choose any |
| 12:05.25 | archman | somiaj: what? |
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| 12:05.34 | somiaj | archman: default pinning is 500, so making wheezy 900 will of course pin i thigher |
| 12:05.52 | somiaj | archman: run that command on any package that is wanting to upgrade. It will tell you 'why' it wants to upgrade it |
| 12:05.54 | niteye | i"m trying to watch "the monster of frankenstein" but it's in black and white, any fix? |
| 12:06.01 | archman | somiaj: apt wants to upgrade my entire system with "apt-get upgrade", even tho squeeze is pinned highest.. |
| 12:06.41 | somiaj | archman: this is not the place to get support for pinning wheezy in squeeze. the answer is don't do it. If you must you are on your own. |
| 12:07.03 | archman | is there a place for such a question on IRC? |
| 12:07.11 | somiaj | no |
| 12:07.27 | cicerone | niteye: lol, its all ok, no worries :-) |
| 12:07.28 | ompaul | niteye: you need a time machine to go to 1931 to convince the directors and producers to film it in colour! |
| 12:07.41 | somiaj | archman: make a backport. |
| 12:07.47 | somiaj | archman: remove wheezy from your sources. |
| 12:07.55 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: ALERT! /dev/xvda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 12:07.59 | Pinchiukas | This is lenny. :) |
| 12:08.10 | somiaj | or upgrade to wheezy and run testing software. If you want to upgrade to wheezy there is a support chan for that on irc.debian.org |
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| 12:09.02 | ompaul | archman: and you won't get support for the kind of behaviour you have been here to fore suggesting in #debian-next on irc.debian.net, testing will and does break. your call |
| 12:09.23 | ompaul | archman: they will support testing but sometimes it is broken and they will wait on fixes so must you |
| 12:09.44 | somiaj | they won't support mixing testing and stable though. Choose one. |
| 12:10.33 | ompaul | somiaj: I think I said that :) |
| 12:10.55 | archman | ok |
| 12:11.12 | somiaj | ompaul: just repeating it. (: |
| 12:11.13 | cicerone | ompaul: me too :-P <bobbitt> |
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| 12:11.47 | ompaul | cicerone: that's the way we cry :) |
| 12:13.41 | niteye | something mysterious is happening with my VGA monitor, after a few seconds it turns black (but i can still see a faint outline of windows that are on it), it goes back to normal if i turn it off and on |
| 12:14.13 | thewanderer1 | niteye: hardware problem |
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| 12:14.15 | cusco | crt? |
| 12:14.30 | niteye | nah LCD |
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| 12:14.47 | _Dave123_ | is there a way I can change the blinking cursor in debian gnome KDE's terminal? |
| 12:14.57 | cusco | try connecting another source of input, but yea, hardware problems |
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| 12:15.21 | User_CL | helpe please : debian install does not recognize my ssd |
| 12:15.38 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:15.46 | niteye | i use the DVI for my primary monitor, but if it was a bad connector id think that it wouldnt temprarily fix itself by pressing the "switch source" button all the time |
| 12:15.53 | somiaj | User_CL: does your bios reconize it? |
| 12:16.03 | cusco | User_CL: is it sata? |
| 12:16.06 | User_CL | somiaj : bios reconize ! |
| 12:16.18 | hellop | Hi. I'm checking what the System Properties on a particular debian install is from Java. It reports OS Version: 2.6.32-5-amd64 but OS Architecture: i386. I'm confused. Is it possible to have a 64bit kernel with a 32bit OS? |
| 12:16.28 | User_CL | and other distro: ubuntu install reconize ! |
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| 12:16.38 | User_CL | but .. need install debian |
| 12:16.40 | thewanderer1 | hellop: yes, it is possible to run an i386 userland with amd64 kernel |
| 12:16.46 | somiaj | hellop: yes it is. 64bit kernels run 32bit binaries fine in emulation mode |
| 12:16.51 | cusco | User_CL: you have got to the step where it detects HD's right? |
| 12:16.56 | hellop | ok, good to know |
| 12:17.03 | ompaul | User_CL: with a live cd please pastebin lspci |
| 12:17.06 | cusco | User_CL: try testing net install instead |
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| 12:17.21 | somiaj | hellop: so it is possible to have a 32bit userland eventhough your running a 64bit kernel (this is useful if you want 32bit userland/libs/binaries but want a kernel that handels >4gb of ram better) |
| 12:17.42 | ompaul | User_CL: paste.debian.net - what model is your lappy? |
| 12:17.45 | hellop | So then with 4GB RAM, that must be why Java only reports Physical mem as 3GB? |
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| 12:18.39 | somiaj | hellop: not sure why java can't see it all. cat /proc/meminfo to see what your systems says you have |
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| 12:19.02 | hellop | somiaj: or.. what you're saying seems to contradict what I just said. I'm trying to set the max java heap size, but for some reason Java only reports: Hardware Physical Memory: 2797MB/3022MB |
| 12:19.03 | ompaul | User_CL: it is per machine, not user |
| 12:19.35 | User_CL | wait.. then download other imagen cd ? |
| 12:19.36 | thewanderer1 | hellop: ...you're running 32-bit Java? |
| 12:19.44 | hellop | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 12:19.48 | ompaul | java - the reason computers needed more than 640k ;-) and wrt setting what it can do - maybe the rest of the machine is used |
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| 12:20.00 | thewanderer1 | hellop: then what were you expecting? :P |
| 12:20.24 | hellop | thewanderer1: the actual physical ram... ;) |
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| 12:20.44 | thewanderer1 | hellop: 32-bit programs can only address up to 3GB of memory |
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| 12:21.14 | thewanderer1 | e.g. if you have a machine with 16GB of RAM and run 5 such programs, they can take 15GB, but each of them only sees 3GB individually |
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| 12:21.55 | thewanderer1 | 32-bit. just drop it :P |
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| 12:22.27 | hellop | thewanderer1: ok, good to know how it works. Thanks for the help, guys/gal. |
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| 12:22.54 | hellop | figured there might be one... |
| 12:23.10 | file-exists-p | any people with whom I discussed my weird bash ^C problem the other day ? |
| 12:23.22 | archman | somiaj: successfully created a backport. cheers :) |
| 12:23.31 | cusco | User_CL: I would try http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - it has newer software, thus more hw support.. but I would look at lspci first and check chipset of hdd controller |
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| 12:24.07 | somiaj | archman: good work. (: |
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| 12:25.17 | archman | somiaj: is there a possibility to somehow contribute that package to the community? |
| 12:26.11 | somiaj | archman: not sure on the regulations regarding packages for backports.debian.org -- but I think to be offical you have to be a matainer. For the most part we just suggest people build their own backports with the <ssbp> factoid |
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| 12:26.28 | valdyn | thewanderer1: 32-bit programs cannot adress 3GB |
| 12:26.40 | TechDesk | pae |
| 12:26.52 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: alright, maybe somewhere around 2.5GiB |
| 12:26.53 | valdyn | thewanderer1: it may be 4 or 2 or lower, but in i386 its *two* |
| 12:27.00 | valdyn | thewanderer1: no, two |
| 12:27.10 | thewanderer1 | somehow Java was reporting 3 :P |
| 12:27.31 | valdyn | thewanderer1: java was not reporting what it can adress but what physical ram he has |
| 12:27.41 | User_CL | cusco: ok... now reboot machine for get infor lspci... waitt... |
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| 12:27.45 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: which he doesn't have...? |
| 12:28.04 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, maybe the 32-bit emulation also impacts meminfo |
| 12:28.07 | valdyn | which may be a broken java detection mechanism or him using a 32-bit kernel that can in his specific machine use 3GB physical ram |
| 12:28.09 | archman | "Please only upload package with a noteable userbase. User request for the package may be an indicator." aaah.. |
| 12:31.28 | valdyn | total physical memory is 4G - space reserved for i/o in a specific setup, *that* can end up being 2.5G |
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| 12:35.15 | file-exists-p | h |
| 12:35.21 | file-exists-p | ahem sorry |
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| 12:40.26 | _Dave123_ | What is the best tool for unrar on debian?> |
| 12:40.58 | th0r | _Dave123_: unrar? |
| 12:41.34 | hellop | valdyn: You're saying 32bit OS programs can only address 2GB? I thought it was 3GB? I never understood the limitations anyways since 2^32 =4GB. I thought 32bit OSes could address all 4GB, but just windows XP or some such was limited to 3GB. |
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| 12:42.35 | Iridos | in contrast to unrar-free |
| 12:42.44 | Iridos | !tell _Dave123_ about non-free |
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| 12:43.10 | Iridos | take care, the non-free rar is shareware which you have to pay for after 30 days |
| 12:43.12 | Iridos | or somesuch |
| 12:43.18 | zwerg | Hi there. |
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| 12:44.30 | valdyn | hellop: youre not following the destinction in there |
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| 12:44.37 | Vanscot | Hi! |
| 12:44.48 | hellop | Something I wish I could understand is why Java is reporting Physical RAM as 3GB when I have 4GB. Valdyn, what do you mean 32bit programs cannot address 3GB? I'd be happy to be pointed to references. I want to understand this. |
| 12:44.53 | valdyn | hellop: the kernel can adress 4G, but one single process can only adress 2GB |
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| 12:45.23 | Vanscot | So, is there a way to know (from a command executed by udev) the location of the .Xauthority file for gdm3? |
| 12:45.24 | hellop | Why a 2GB limit? |
| 12:45.39 | hellop | This could very well be the answer to my issue. |
| 12:45.46 | Vanscot | Everytime I reboot my laptop, the script that disables the touchpad when a mouse is plugged gets broken. |
| 12:45.51 | valdyn | hellop: and even from the 4GB that the kernel can adress you need to substract reserved adresses to calculate the actualy physical ram you can use |
| 12:46.17 | hellop | Take a look at my JMX screensho (though it doesn't break anywhere near 2GB)t: http://imageshack.us/f/690/jmxscreenshot.jpg/ |
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| 12:46.52 | hellop | I have Java heap set to 2.4GB, maybe that's the problem, since you are saying 32bit cannot address more than 2GB. |
| 12:46.54 | Vanscot | hellop: Also, java can receive arguments to set the min/max memory for the machine. |
| 12:47.00 | zwerg | I'm experiencing grave performance issues with google-chrome-unstable on twitter.com. Anyone else seen this? |
| 12:47.04 | User_CL | hi.. here info lspci : http://pastebin.com/qphjQqkb |
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| 12:47.54 | ompaul | hellop: if your o/s will only grant X you can tell the java to grant 10X but it doesn't have it |
| 12:47.55 | hellop | I always thought Java heap could be set up to Physical RAM + pagefile. And that the limit was 4GB for 32bit. |
| 12:48.00 | Bushmills | zwerg: same problems when using chromium? |
| 12:48.15 | Vanscot | User_CL: what's the problem? (español por privado, si quieres) |
| 12:48.31 | valdyn | hellop: its 2G for 32-bit, but I dont know how java deals with to large values, if it crashes or whatever |
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| 12:49.08 | hellop | What reference can I look to for info on this 2GB limit? |
| 12:49.13 | ompaul | hellop: so now a programming language can supersede the abilities of an O/S |
| 12:49.30 | ompaul | hellop: interesting papers on this? |
| 12:49.33 | Vanscot | valdyn: Oddly, java seems to crash with too small/too big values.. |
| 12:49.38 | zwerg | Bushmills: Since Google's version is 16.x and chromium-browser's is 14.x I doubt that would compare. |
| 12:49.40 | Vanscot | (Like 64mb) |
| 12:50.21 | hellop | ompaul: all I know is that Java reports 5GB on my other system for getSyetemProperties("maxmem") and that is 3GB physical + 2GB pagefile. So I thought that's what Java could use. |
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| 12:51.00 | ompaul | hellop: and the o/s on that box is? |
| 12:51.10 | hellop | Windows |
| 12:51.15 | ompaul | 64bit I bet |
| 12:51.29 | Davor | hi, I'm having problems with the debian installation, it detects all partitions on my first hdd, but none on my second. dropping to a shell and running fdisk -l lists all the partitions properly |
| 12:51.49 | Davor | it's a wheezy install, but I can't join the -next channel |
| 12:51.50 | Bushmills | zwerg: unluckily, google's version is not in debian, which makes it rather hard to diagnose |
| 12:52.23 | ompaul | Davor: what reason is -next saying? |
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| 12:52.30 | zwerg | Bushmills: They've got a repo though, so I thought someone might be using it. |
| 12:52.36 | Davor | need an invite, ompaul |
| 12:52.36 | valdyn | hellop: theres a configurable split in adress space between kernel and userspace |
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| 12:53.03 | valdyn | hellop: this splits up the total 4G into say "1G for kernel / 3G for each process". I dont know the default |
| 12:53.12 | Bushmills | hellop: 2 gig limit with 32 bit? commonly an issue with chosen data type. signed when unsigned would have been preferable. |
| 12:53.16 | User_CL | hi friends... here have the information lspci... |
| 12:53.44 | valdyn | hellop: might actually be 1/3 for you then, even though what java reports sure is not the physical memory limit but a per process limit |
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| 12:54.04 | ompaul | Davor on irc.oftc.net the channel modes are Channel modes: no messages from outside, topic protection, no colors allowed, limited to 300 users |
| 12:54.04 | Bushmills | result: operations on that data think they work on an items in the range from -2gig to 2gig |
| 12:54.14 | ompaul | Davor use the right network :) |
| 12:54.28 | Davor | ahhh :) |
| 12:54.33 | Davor | thanks ompaul :) |
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| 12:56.18 | valdyn | hellop: but this does not imply that you can blow up heap to that size |
| 12:57.17 | hellop | Man I really wish I could figure this out. |
| 12:57.37 | valdyn | hellop: you need to use a 64-bit java if you approach the limit anyway |
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| 12:58.48 | ompaul | hellop: so go install 64bit, you'd nearly have the install done by now if you had started the first time someone told you about 64bit here :0 |
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| 12:59.21 | valdyn | theres no way i would let something in production if its already near limits from the beginning |
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| 12:59.45 | ompaul | hellop: note valdyn's comment |
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| 13:04.37 | hellop | I just never heard of a 2GB limit on a 32bit program. good to know.. searching google, apparently windows has a " /3GB switch in boot.ini: allows for 3GB to be made available to programs, with the kernel taking 1GB". Is there a such thing in debian? |
| 13:04.55 | valdyn | hellop: yes, its probably even the default |
| 13:05.07 | ompaul | la la l a |
| 13:05.53 | Vanscot | hellop: that's called PAE, but trust us... with linux, better jump to 64 bits already. |
| 13:06.02 | Vanscot | If your system supports it, do it. |
| 13:06.05 | valdyn | pae is something else |
| 13:06.06 | daemonkeeper | Vanscot: Wromg. |
| 13:06.08 | daemonkeeper | *wrong |
| 13:06.29 | daemonkeeper | There is a hard limit of 32 bit of memory which can be addressed on x86 whether PAE is in use or not. |
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| 13:06.43 | valdyn | hellop: the split between process memory and kernel memory is tunable. I cant say if its a good idea to do that |
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| 13:07.11 | daemonkeeper | You can have more than 4G of memory _in total_ with PAE, but there is a hard platform limit of 4G _per process_ |
| 13:07.27 | Vanscot | Wasn't the idea of PAE to allow systems to access more than 3.5 GB? |
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| 13:07.33 | Vanscot | Oh.. |
| 13:07.34 | daemonkeeper | Yes, _in toal_ |
| 13:07.37 | daemonkeeper | *total |
| 13:07.38 | Vanscot | System, not apps. |
| 13:07.39 | ompaul | hellop: why are you arguing the toss and not going to 64bit? |
| 13:07.41 | Vanscot | ok, ok. |
| 13:07.42 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 13:07.52 | ompaul | if you are serious about this you are going about it the wrong way |
| 13:08.12 | daemonkeeper | However, on desktops you will rarely need more than 4G _per process_ |
| 13:08.17 | Vanscot | I'll ask here since gnome is dead. |
| 13:08.33 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I beg to differ ;) |
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| 13:08.52 | daemonkeeper | Well, you can install some database on your desktop. |
| 13:08.53 | Vanscot | Do you know if I can use the key UserAuthFile for the daemon settings in the gdm3/daemon.conf or it's ignored? |
| 13:09.25 | Vanscot | Also, if I can't use that key, is there a way to know the location of the Xauthority file beforehand so I can use it in my udev script? |
| 13:09.39 | ompaul | babilen: average user you are not :) |
| 13:09.49 | MaXim_ | the limit in windows for a 32-bit app is 2GB or 3GB with /3GB kernel switch |
| 13:10.06 | MaXim_ | unless you use adress windowing extension |
| 13:10.23 | daemonkeeper | hellop: Anyway, the quintessence of this discussion is: There is no such switch on Linux. You can use up to 4G without problems on recent 2.6 kernels (with recent being 5 years or so). |
| 13:10.24 | MaXim_ | very few applications take advantage of that though.. |
| 13:10.35 | valdyn | hellop: http://www.spack.org/wiki/LinuxRamLimits might interest you, but its also obsolete, probably because 64-bit commodity hard- and software has been available for years |
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| 13:11.00 | hellop | ompaul, I cannot upgrade to 64bit OS for this application. |
| 13:11.17 | valdyn | hellop: even though its java? |
| 13:11.25 | MaXim_ | no 64-bit os -> no >3gb memory then |
| 13:11.45 | MaXim_ | unless you use mmap trickery |
| 13:11.46 | valdyn | thats ironic |
| 13:11.46 | Vanscot | I'm going to try it.. |
| 13:11.51 | Vanscot | brb or be dead.. |
| 13:11.57 | ompaul | hellop: then put up with the limits on your work imposed by physics |
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| 13:12.45 | MaXim_ | hmm you guys think its a good idea to install commercial software thats only available for ubuntu as a deb? |
| 13:12.49 | MaXim_ | they do have a tarball though |
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| 13:13.04 | mark76 | Damn it. I had sawfish-ui appearance working and now it's stopped again >:o |
| 13:13.15 | Bushmills | MaXim_: i think it is a good idea to install free software |
| 13:13.16 | ompaul | MaXim_: no, I'd be more in favour of the tarball if I had a gun to my head. |
| 13:13.39 | MaXim_ | Bushmills: that's not always possible |
| 13:13.50 | hellop | Thank you guys very much for this informative discussion. I will set my Java heap from 2400 back to 1800 and see if that fixes my allocation errors that only happen after 10 hours of running. |
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| 13:14.04 | MaXim_ | best of luck to you hellop |
| 13:14.11 | somiaj | MaXim_: problem with a .deb is depends could cause conflicts. Best to just extract it with dpkg -x (then its basically a tar) |
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| 13:14.39 | Bushmills | MaXim_: it is about always possible to install free software |
| 13:14.45 | MaXim_ | somiaj: so if I install it and it doesn't complain about dependencies then I'm home free |
| 13:15.01 | ompaul | home not-free |
| 13:15.06 | somiaj | MaXim_: though a static linked tar would be the better choice. But dpkg -i foo.deb from an untrested source can lead to issues. |
| 13:15.08 | Bushmills | maybe with a bit of work here and there :) |
| 13:15.20 | ompaul | what if your next apt-get upgrade kills it |
| 13:15.28 | MaXim_ | who knows |
| 13:15.41 | MaXim_ | i've had some wine debs installed for years with no problems |
| 13:15.55 | somiaj | MaXim_: provided the deb is decent. Not installing nicely, needing non debian depends are the issue for installing. Running it is another story, but yes I think you will just fine in this case. |
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| 13:16.22 | MaXim_ | here goes in any case |
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| 13:17.05 | MaXim_ | it's pretty large so i'll bet it's statically linked |
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| 13:17.18 | Vanscot | Didn't work. |
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| 13:37.21 | metalspike | how's things in debian-land |
| 13:37.31 | paxed | how do i set the X default font? right now the font used with -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* is very ugly one i've installed myself. |
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| 13:39.37 | thewanderer1 | hm, why doesn't Debian bring back the old apt-get behaviour where it did *not* remove unneeded packages on its own, but instead require the user to call autoremove? |
| 13:40.31 | Bushmills | maybe as incentive to migrate to aptitude? |
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| 13:40.59 | thewanderer1 | which does the same thing? |
| 13:41.20 | Bushmills | configurable |
| 13:42.05 | thewanderer1 | sure, but "configurable" means "100% of new users will see the default behaviour"... |
| 13:42.06 | somiaj | thewanderer1: apt-get doesn't remove packages here until I run autoremove. Its probabaly a preference |
| 13:42.37 | Bushmills | 100% of users will initially see the default configuration, yes |
| 13:42.45 | thewanderer1 | I can remember it working the way somiaj mentioned it in Lenny or maybe Etch... |
| 13:42.56 | Bushmills | luckily the defaults are predictable |
| 13:42.58 | thewanderer1 | and it was way less harmful for users |
| 13:43.30 | thewanderer1 | these days we see lots of people confused as to why apt-get chose to remove their desktop when they only uninstalled pidgin/evolution/some silly little prog |
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| 13:44.02 | somiaj | there use to be days before packages had 'auto' and 'manual' flags and you had to use deborphan. |
| 13:44.21 | Bushmills | well, one size doesn't fit all |
| 13:44.39 | Bushmills | that's maybe why configuration comes in handy |
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| 13:46.12 | ompaul | autoremove is still a requirement |
| 13:46.25 | Bushmills | for the rest, there's ubuntu :) |
| 13:46.26 | ompaul | or am I reading that wrong? |
| 13:46.41 | ompaul | Bushmills: you can't be serious :) |
| 13:47.06 | Bushmills | i'm always serious. so much that i can't even tell anymore when i'm not |
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| 13:48.07 | Vanscot | [Insert bison-yes!.png] |
| 13:48.48 | Vanscot | I've managed to know my Xauthority file on the fly for my udev script! |
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| 13:50.33 | Vanscot | I wonder if it will workout while booting. |
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| 14:01.30 | paxed | how do i set the X default font? that is, the font used with -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*? |
| 14:02.03 | aypea[2] | damnit. is it possible to weed out packages that have not been isntalled due to either direct request or via a dependency? I accidentally left auto-install recommends on and don't feel like reinstalling. |
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| 14:03.55 | somiaj | aypea[2]: they should be flaged as 'auto' or 'manual' -- though I'm unsure if things pulled in by recomends are set to 'manual' or not. |
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| 14:04.31 | aypea[2] | damn. of all the dumb defaults to have 8( sigh. |
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| 14:06.14 | babilen | aypea[2]: How so? Recommended packages are typically wanted by our users. If you are aware of particular packages that you want to remove just remove them. I am not aware of a way to differntiate between currently installed packages that are only kept because another package recommends them. But you might be able to construct a nice aptitude search pattern that does this. |
| 14:06.43 | harrisonk | I want to install debian for a personal server, I don't need any guis but i can't figure out which ISO I need, my server is a i386 system |
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| 14:07.26 | babilen | aypea[2]: Differntiate between packages that are automatically installed to satisfy a Depends and those that satisfy a Recommends that is |
| 14:07.29 | somiaj | harrisonk: grab the netinstall iso (it just contains a base system and ability to install the rest from the internet) -- just install the applications you want. Basesystem deons't contain x. |
| 14:08.12 | harrisonk | somiaj: ah thanks! |
| 14:08.31 | babilen | harrisonk: You should install the standard task though |
| 14:08.43 | aypea[2] | babilen: by default I want to install far less than is recommended. for example I do not need to pull in chunks of X when installing ssh just because someone else may want it and one time, the difference between recommends and not on an upgrade was around 500MB of packages. i'll pass. |
| 14:08.44 | somiaj | harrisonk: if you use a network card that requires non-free firmware you may find cd1 a bit nicer, though you can easily just copy that non-free firmware to your computer. |
| 14:08.50 | babilen | harrisonk: There is no special "Server Edition" in Debian because it just doesn't make sense to have that. |
| 14:08.56 | harrisonk | ah |
| 14:09.13 | harrisonk | thanks all! |
| 14:09.24 | babilen | !tell harrisonk -about ig |
| 14:09.34 | babilen | harrisonk: Have fun! :) |
| 14:09.43 | harrisonk | I will! |
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| 14:11.06 | babilen | aypea[2]: Yeah, I was just trying to motivate the default behaviour. I am not arguing that it fits everybody. I would love to help you, but *I* just don't have a suitable search pattern memorised. |
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| 14:12.09 | blakkheim | the kernel, openssh, and lots of stuff updated this morning? |
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| 14:13.28 | aypea[2] | babilen: no worries. thanks for trying. sorry for getting a bit touchy about it. last time there was an unhappy argument with someone and I'm just tired right now. trying to avoid. :/ |
| 14:15.09 | aypea[2] | babilen: oooh. fyi, deborphan has a flag that turns off taking deps and suggests into account. :) |
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| 14:17.00 | aypea[2] | hmm. not sure it works that well. |
| 14:17.04 | blakkheim | i don't see anything on the debian changelog, where can i see what was changed today? |
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| 14:17.16 | babilen | aypea[2]: Good to know -- I'll investigate that route of action later. If you come up with satisfying results let us know. |
| 14:18.45 | somiaj | aypea[2]: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/how-find-remove-installed-recommended-packages-help-201948432.html |
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| 14:19.39 | somiaj | aypea[2]: someone seems to say there is an APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImporant and Aptitude::Keep-Recommends setting but I can't seem to find documation on it in man apt.conf |
| 14:19.43 | White_R | hi! I'd like to set the tty (ctrl-alt-F1) resolution OR increase its font size. I can't find anything on google. I tried editing both /etc/grub.d/00_Header (adding set gfxpayload) and /etc/default/grub (adding the old 'vga=xxx' or uncommenting GRUB_GFXMODE). What to do? |
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| 14:20.15 | garulf | Hi guys.. |
| 14:20.24 | aypea[2] | babilen: will do. :) |
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| 14:20.46 | aypea[2] | somiaj: thanks! :) |
| 14:20.47 | babilen | aypea[2]: Much appreciated. |
| 14:21.00 | garulf | I've some problem to make hdmi works. speaker-test -D hdmi:Intel -c 2 works... how can i set hdmi default device for playback? |
| 14:21.19 | Vanscot | White_R: setupcon |
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| 14:21.21 | Vanscot | Maybe? |
| 14:21.22 | blakkheim | oh, /etc/debian_version says 6.0.3 now |
| 14:21.29 | garulf | and... why alsamier -D hdmi:Intel doesn' t work? |
| 14:21.36 | garulf | alsamixer* sorry |
| 14:21.50 | White_R | Vanscot: :* |
| 14:21.55 | Vanscot | :$ |
| 14:22.06 | White_R | Vanscot: :D |
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| 14:25.11 | somiaj | garulf: I set the default devince in $HOME/.asoundrc |
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| 14:26.04 | garulf | somiaj: thanks, can be without restarting alsa?? |
| 14:26.07 | somiaj | garulf: try alsamixer -c <card> |
| 14:26.19 | somiaj | garulf: its a number, cat /proc/asound/cards to get the list |
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| 14:26.35 | somiaj | garulf: yes, the asoundrc is read whenever a program access alsa |
| 14:27.05 | somiaj | garulf: http://paste.debian.net/135013/ -- replace it with the correct numbers for your device. 'aplay -l' is another good place to look |
| 14:27.42 | garulf | somiaj: thanks! i'll try.. |
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| 14:29.12 | garulf | somiaj: It works! Thanks... |
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| 14:32.23 | MaXim_ | alrighty |
| 14:32.39 | MaXim_ | i edited the deb package to remove the ubuntu specific depends |
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| 14:32.48 | MaXim_ | all seems well :) |
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| 14:36.59 | User_CL | please.. helpme install debian in SSD ... have netins |
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| 14:37.19 | pipeline | User_CL: you don't have to do anything special. Procede normally. |
| 14:37.19 | arch_adam | hi how do i highrer the resolution in the CL to lower the text size? |
| 14:38.20 | User_CL | pipelina: install debian not detect my SSD Crucial M4 |
| 14:38.29 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, mknod /dev/xvda b 202 0 | also see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601974 |
| 14:38.42 | blakkheim | is it normal for the 6.0.3 update to be pushed to the repos with no announcement yet? |
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| 14:39.25 | arch_adam | can i lower the font , i do not have a gui |
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| 14:40.13 | White_R | arch_adam: setupcon ? |
| 14:40.22 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: but I'm not even using grub - I'm using EC2s pv-grub. |
| 14:40.33 | arch_adam | White_R, setupcon? |
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| 14:40.36 | Pinchiukas | I only have a single file - /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
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| 14:40.58 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, as in the host, or vm? |
| 14:41.20 | White_R | arch_adam: read the manual page with the command "man setupcon" |
| 14:41.23 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: the VM, I don't have any access to dom0. |
| 14:41.23 | crodjer | What should I edit to configure caps lock as escape key (as setting xkboptions here: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RemapCapsLock) |
| 14:42.01 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and what devices are listed and there names? |
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| 14:42.27 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, maybe they use xvda instead of xvda1? |
| 14:42.27 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: in the debootstrapped /dev? |
| 14:42.36 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, yes |
| 14:43.13 | Pinchiukas | Doesn't the kernel in my other working instance manage the /dev on IT and not the /dev inside the debootstrap dir? |
| 14:43.22 | Pinchiukas | I mean - it probably won't contain anything. |
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| 14:43.59 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, as far as i know, your host provides the names, your vm has to boot from root on one of those (hd0) |
| 14:44.01 | Bushmills | mount --bind ... |
| 14:44.08 | User_CL | helpme please... |
| 14:44.10 | Bushmills | are the same devices, after all |
| 14:44.21 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I partitioned the block device. |
| 14:44.24 | Pinchiukas | So hd0,0. |
| 14:44.24 | User_CL | install debian not detect my ssd disk |
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| 14:44.41 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ok, and what name scheme does that have? |
| 14:44.58 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: can you clarify your question? |
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| 14:45.23 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, the blockdevice uid or name is? |
| 14:45.49 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I mean the disk volume that's attached to the VM. |
| 14:45.49 | ompaul | User_CL: what kernel are you using? |
| 14:46.13 | Pinchiukas | I didn't create a fs on it, I created a partition and the created the fs in that partition. |
| 14:46.19 | User_CL | new install ! dowload minimal cd iso |
| 14:46.32 | ompaul | User_CL: what kernel are you using when you go to install? |
| 14:46.33 | Pinchiukas | User_CL: give him the output of 'uname -a'. |
| 14:47.07 | arch_adam | White_R, if i use setupcon -f (what do i pass here?) |
| 14:47.11 | User_CL | wait... |
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| 14:48.47 | White_R | arch_adam: you don't pass anything. You set what you want editing the file /etc/default/console-setup and then you give the command 'setupcon -f' with no arguments |
| 14:49.05 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, page 102 http://http.cdnlayer.com/itke/blogs.dir/113/files/2009/03/chapter-4-professional-xen-virtualizaton.pdf |
| 14:49.18 | arch_adam | White_R, there is no file there, so if i create one how do i nkow the syntax for the properties? |
| 14:50.39 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: it only has 30 pages. :) |
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| 14:50.52 | User_CL | uname -a = Linux (none) 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 |
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| 14:51.18 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, arent they numbered? (this is only part 4) |
| 14:51.26 | White_R | arch_adam: you have no /etc/default/console-setup ? really? try giving ls /etc/default/console-* |
| 14:51.30 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 14:51.39 | ompaul | User_CL: you have to install .38 or higher for linux to work with that disk |
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| 14:52.52 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I don't really understand what you're trying to tell me... |
| 14:54.00 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, If your domU kernel happens to miss support for the xvda* disk devices (the xen-blkfront driver), use the --scsi option that makes the VM use normal SCSI HD names like sda*. You can also set scsi=1 in /etc/xen-tools/xen-tools.conf to make this the default. |
| 14:54.11 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 14:54.13 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 14:54.33 | arch_adam | White_R, sorrt my bad its there, ok alter properties then run setupcon -f? |
| 14:54.42 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I don't have access to dom0 or the config files. |
| 14:54.43 | White_R | yup |
| 14:54.50 | White_R | arch_adam: yes |
| 14:54.55 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i understand |
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| 14:55.04 | arch_adam | White_R, is there an apt-get for extra fonts? |
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| 14:55.27 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, so in thta case find out the naming scheme of the host, all my links and hints are related to that |
| 14:56.28 | White_R | arch_adam: I don't know. Have you tried Terminus? I find it really pleasant... |
| 14:57.12 | arch_adam | White_R, where are the fonts storewd in debian |
| 14:57.22 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: well judging from the dmesg, my partition that need to be booted is /dev/xvda1. |
| 14:57.38 | arch_adam | does anyone know how i can public access to my server to serve webcontent? |
| 14:58.00 | White_R | arch_adam: lots of places, but for setupcon you have different fonts from those used by the rest of the system. |
| 14:58.03 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, dmesg of the vm is not conclusive for this |
| 14:58.15 | White_R | arch_adam: mostly /usr/share/fonts |
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| 14:59.19 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I tried a rightscale made Debian AMI, it also uses /dev/xvda1. |
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| 14:59.41 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, can you find out in busybox the device naming with fdisk -l ? |
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| 15:00.12 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: "in busybox"? |
| 15:00.14 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and that one works? |
| 15:00.55 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: yeah. |
| 15:01.02 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, busybox, as in 'i dropped to the shell' |
| 15:01.07 | Vanscot | Testing = wheezy? |
| 15:01.22 | ompaul | User_CL: I can't remember the location, there is a guy who packages debian squeeze with kernel 3.0 you need one of those install disks from what i can find out |
| 15:01.37 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: are you saying I should enter something in the VM after it drops me to busybox? |
| 15:01.50 | Pinchiukas | I don't have access to that console, only can see the output. |
| 15:01.56 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, if possible yes, like fdisk -l |
| 15:02.07 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ah ok |
| 15:02.27 | Pinchiukas | I can find things out in the working instance though. |
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| 15:02.57 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, well you can look up how stuff is mounted in there |
| 15:03.10 | Pinchiukas | Sec... |
| 15:03.14 | arch_adam | White_R, and does setup con automatically know that the fonts arew in usr/shar/fonts/xxxx or do i need to specify ther p[ath |
| 15:03.52 | Pinchiukas | /dev/xvda2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 15:03.53 | arch_adam | how do i make my apache dir public to serve web content@? |
| 15:03.56 | User_CL | ompaul : which version debian have *.38 ? |
| 15:04.02 | Pinchiukas | They have /boot on /dev/xvda1. |
| 15:04.11 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ok, next: |
| 15:04.30 | ompaul | User_CL: I can't remember the location, there is a guy who packages debian squeeze with kernel 3.0 you need one of those install disks from what i can find out |
| 15:04.30 | White_R | arch_adam: as I told you before, setupcon DOESN'T use fonts in /usr/share/fonts/ . I don't know where it takes its fonts. Comments in /etc/default/console-setup say you can use fonts 'Fixed' 'Terminus' 'Terminus-bold' and others. |
| 15:04.31 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, can you dump the instance, loop mount it, and chroot into it? |
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| 15:04.54 | Pinchiukas | Dump it? I'm actually root on it. |
| 15:05.04 | ompaul | dutchfish: ^^ can you think of that guys site? |
| 15:05.06 | arch_adam | ok thankyou |
| 15:05.13 | User_CL | mmm |
| 15:05.17 | dutchfish | ompaul, ? |
| 15:05.23 | arch_adam | how do i allow access for people to see webcontent from my ip@? |
| 15:05.36 | ompaul | dutchfish: the squeeze image with 3.0 kernel |
| 15:05.58 | dutchfish | ompaul, heh?? |
| 15:06.02 | ompaul | ok |
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| 15:06.17 | ompaul | I know there is one ... can't remember the site / guys name |
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| 15:06.30 | ompaul | User_CL: I have it in some logs if you will let me grep for a while |
| 15:06.39 | ompaul | User_CL: about 10 mins should do it |
| 15:06.56 | User_CL | mmmm |
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| 15:08.10 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: what else can I check out? |
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| 15:08.54 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, if you can reach the vm, by any means, checkout what it 'thinks' the block device is named or it's UUID |
| 15:08.57 | arch_adam | where do i set noapic ? |
| 15:09.13 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: which I'd do how? |
| 15:09.46 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, by accesing it, either directly from some kind of panel, or by dumping it and loop mount it |
| 15:10.14 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I mean the instance is booted, and I'm logged on to it as root. |
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| 15:11.01 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, so whats the problem then? if you can log into the vm's root? |
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| 15:11.07 | qrq | Are proposed updates heavily tested? |
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| 15:11.35 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, or am i/you mixing up things? |
| 15:11.43 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: so I need to determine the block devices available? Don't I do that by ls -l /dev/xvd*? |
| 15:11.54 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, fdisk -l |
| 15:12.01 | Pinchiukas | Ok. |
| 15:12.19 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and mount tells you how it is mounted |
| 15:12.51 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/REt7sM9n |
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| 15:14.24 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, looks good to me, boot on xvda1 / on xvda2 |
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| 15:14.36 | Pinchiukas | Yeah. |
| 15:14.56 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, now please your bootmanagers stansa |
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| 15:15.30 | qrq | Proposed updates are less stable than main updates? |
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| 15:15.48 | matrixiumn | hello |
| 15:16.16 | matrixiumn | can I have a link for a guide on how to use unetbootin to install debian on a memory stick please |
| 15:16.38 | matrixiumn | because google doesn't come up with any clear results |
| 15:16.57 | valdyn | qrq: proposed updates are the queue for a point release, basically |
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| 15:17.56 | qrq | valdyn Well aren't they changed after? |
| 15:18.10 | valdyn | qrq: after what? |
| 15:18.16 | qrq | valdyn I mean.... |
| 15:18.30 | qrq | valdyn After including into proposed repository. |
| 15:18.54 | qrq | My English is rusty -_- |
| 15:19.15 | matrixiumn | hello? |
| 15:19.15 | valdyn | qrq: sure they will be changed if newly introduced bugs are found |
| 15:19.50 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/6Cfr03Pi |
| 15:19.54 | qrq | valdyn Well does it happen often that proposed packages are not included later in stable tree? |
| 15:20.24 | valdyn | qrq: no idea, it should be rare, but i dont have any statistics |
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| 15:20.43 | valdyn | qrq: why are you asking these questions? |
| 15:20.48 | qrq | valdyn I read on net that these packages are not well tested. |
| 15:20.51 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, that won't work, you need the hypervisor matching kernel ... dugh |
| 15:21.04 | valdyn | qrq: in production you should not use proposed updates unless you need that specific bugfix |
| 15:21.21 | qrq | valdyn I don't want any problems , that's all :) |
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| 15:22.00 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: huh??? |
| 15:22.15 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, a xen kernel (if your host is indeed a xen host) |
| 15:22.26 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, (inside the vm) |
| 15:22.37 | Woet | dutchfish: incorrect, you can use any kernel on a xen host. |
| 15:22.41 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: that DOES work. |
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| 15:23.01 | Pinchiukas | Yeah, provided it has domU support. |
| 15:23.20 | ompaul | dutchfish: if you see User_CL this is for him http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:23.23 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, bingo, and thats not the case up till 2.6.32 or something |
| 15:23.48 | Pinchiukas | So? |
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| 15:24.43 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, The new 2.6.32 kernel images have paravirt_ops-based Xen dom0 and domU support. |
| 15:25.06 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#DomU_.28guests.29 |
| 15:25.31 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, (if we are still talking lenny indeed) |
| 15:26.00 | Pinchiukas | No, squeeze all the time. |
| 15:26.21 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i misunderstood you then, i thought we where doing lenny as a test |
| 15:26.39 | Pinchiukas | I did and it didn't work. Got back to squeeze then. :) |
| 15:26.45 | dutchfish | ok |
| 15:27.02 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, just to get it clear, what exactly did work? |
| 15:27.10 | matrixiumn | hello? |
| 15:28.05 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: what do you mean "did work"? |
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| 15:29.01 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, as in any instance that would boot normal? |
| 15:30.00 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, if any ... that is |
| 15:30.04 | Pinchiukas | Well the one not made by me. And it's suqeeze! |
| 15:30.08 | Pinchiukas | *squeeze |
| 15:30.14 | dutchfish | ok |
| 15:30.45 | matrixiumn | why is everyone ignoring me? |
| 15:30.51 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, do you know what kernel the host itself runs? |
| 15:31.09 | ompaul | !ask |
| 15:31.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:31.12 | dutchfish | matrixiumn, just ask, if anyone knows you get an answer |
| 15:31.19 | matrixiumn | ok |
| 15:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | !tell matrixiumn about usb install |
| 15:31.25 | matrixiumn | I have asked |
| 15:31.25 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: no. |
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| 15:32.04 | matrixiumn | thanks guys |
| 15:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | matrixiumn: That's just kinda how it works, if nobody takes interest in your question at the time. |
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| 15:32.45 | jhutchins_lt | matrixiumn: People who might know the answer are either busy or not paying attention. |
| 15:32.54 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, thats a hard nut to crack, my best bet is that it runs a parvirt_ops enabled kernel, that needs some tweaks in the host and prolly at least 2.6.34 or newer kernel, i would try to delve into the xen configs of that vm image to find out. |
| 15:33.20 | matrixiumn | ok |
| 15:33.24 | Pinchiukas | I'm using the same exact package the working image is using. |
| 15:33.31 | jhutchins_lt | matrixiumn: Anyway, that message from dpkg should help. |
| 15:33.49 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, sure, but it prolly need some configging also |
| 15:34.11 | Pinchiukas | Whick I'm tring to figure out. :) |
| 15:34.24 | matrixiumn | ok cool thanks |
| 15:35.31 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, you could do a trick, and copy the /etc dir out of the working instance, put it in a git, then copy over it the non-working instance from the one your made, run a git dif and read. |
| 15:36.15 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, do the same for the boot stansas |
| 15:36.16 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 15:36.41 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, then it should be pretty obvious in a litle time |
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| 15:38.12 | Pinchiukas | Everything seems the same, I just don't understand it. :| |
| 15:38.39 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, what bootmanager is inside the working instance, is that grub? |
| 15:38.46 | Pinchiukas | None. |
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| 15:39.55 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and in the non-wrking instance? |
| 15:40.38 | file-exists-p | anybody here remember my mysterious problem with ^C under bash ? |
| 15:40.42 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: none as well. |
| 15:40.53 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 15:41.47 | umadbro | file-exists-p, what was it? |
| 15:42.00 | file-exists-p | imadbro: sometime, ^C does not work anymore in a bash in a xterm |
| 15:42.10 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, is libdevmapper1.02.1 installe don both instances? |
| 15:42.18 | file-exists-p | imadbro: I do not know when it happens, but sometime it does not work and stay like this until I restart X |
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| 15:42.43 | file-exists-p | umadbro: it does it in any xterm I start, even if I start a new bash in the current bash |
| 15:42.46 | umadbro | you're really mad, bro. |
| 15:42.49 | umadbro | heh |
| 15:42.50 | file-exists-p | :) |
| 15:42.53 | file-exists-p | sorry ^^ |
| 15:42.54 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: none of them have it. |
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| 15:43.03 | file-exists-p | umadbro: stty sane does not help |
| 15:43.04 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ok |
| 15:43.09 | file-exists-p | umadbro: etc. real mystery |
| 15:43.26 | file-exists-p | umadbro: .inputrc has nothing weird, there is no trap in bash, etc. |
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| 15:44.47 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, cab you pastebin form both instance 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 15:45.10 | Pinchiukas | cab? |
| 15:45.24 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, * can you pastebin form both instance 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' |
| 15:45.51 | umadbro | hm |
| 15:45.52 | umadbro | xinitrc? |
| 15:46.22 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, or 'blkid /dev/xvda1' |
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| 15:47.19 | file-exists-p | umadbro are you talking to me? |
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| 15:47.25 | umadbro | yes |
| 15:47.48 | file-exists-p | umadbro: check this out, here I am http://pastebin.com/LkFYBx03 |
| 15:48.02 | file-exists-p | there is a difference in the strace bash with the problem and without |
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| 15:48.31 | file-exists-p | I added the printfs toto to check that nothing was called before after the sigprocmask |
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| 15:48.58 | file-exists-p | I have no f*cking clue why the top_level_mask is not [] in the first case, given that there is a sigemptyset just before |
| 15:49.02 | file-exists-p | I must have missed something |
| 15:49.14 | file-exists-p | I have to leave, the wife is calling for help :) bbl |
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| 15:50.42 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, my wild gues, is that your host filters on blkid ... |
| 15:50.50 | Vanscot | And they say that hacker are not under control. |
| 15:50.53 | Pinchiukas | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Oct 8 14:12 264e85c3-2483-4c17-bd81-fec33d4a1fe1 -> ../../xvda3 |
| 15:50.55 | Pinchiukas | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Oct 8 14:13 323ff89d-2aa4-48b4-8dd7-818ee1a1c55d -> ../../xvda1 |
| 15:50.59 | Pinchiukas | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Oct 8 14:13 4ec21fe5-34f1-4ed3-87b5-553851c677b9 -> ../../xvda2 |
| 15:51.02 | Pinchiukas | This is on the working instance. |
| 15:51.13 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ugh .. use pastebin |
| 15:51.29 | Pinchiukas | On my non-working (where I mounted it to a working amazon-linux pastebin) there is no /dev/disk. |
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| 15:51.56 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, so, its not the same in this respect |
| 15:52.04 | Pinchiukas | I can't tell - I can't be booted in my non-working instance. :) |
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| 15:52.22 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, make it so, and bare in mind that your host could filter by UUID (blkid) |
| 15:52.37 | Przemek18 | hi |
| 15:52.38 | Przemek18 | !pl |
| 15:52.38 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 15:52.38 | Pinchiukas | Ah, I was chrooted, sorry. |
| 15:52.45 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, can you dump it? |
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| 15:52.51 | Pinchiukas | Sec. |
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| 15:53.10 | Pinchiukas | http://pastebin.com/hmPtbdma |
| 15:53.11 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, take your time. np. |
| 15:53.22 | Pinchiukas | Though I don't see what you'll see out of that. |
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| 15:54.01 | file-exists-p | re |
| 15:54.02 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, there you have it: its xvdz1 not xvda1 ! |
| 15:54.23 | Przemek18 | Hi i have domain and i have server www(nginx) and i need a dns server can you help me i've to install bind9? |
| 15:54.43 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, the uuid stuff still this ocunt too |
| 15:54.52 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, count* |
| 15:55.12 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I mounted my non-working Debian image as xvdz to the amazon-linux instance because xvda is already in use here. |
| 15:55.20 | Pinchiukas | This doesn't really matter. |
| 15:55.34 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ah ic |
| 15:55.44 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, was confusing for me |
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| 15:57.44 | Przemek18 | Mam domene.pl w home, mam takze serwer WWW na nginx (dziaÅa) chce postawic serwer dns tak aby wpisac go w home aby mi to dzialalo patrzylem na bind9, ale konfiguracja jest nie udana pomozed ktos a moze uzyc dnsmasq? |
| 15:58.11 | Pinchiukas | English, please. |
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| 15:59.00 | nkuttler | !tell Przemek18 about pl |
| 15:59.08 | pipeline | http://www.debian.org/international/Polish/ |
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| 16:00.22 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: any more ideas? |
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| 16:01.04 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, if you carefully checked all xen configs and you are abselutely shure, try altering the UID of the device to the same as the instance that worked by something like 'tune2fs /dev/xvda1 -U $UUID' where $UUID is the same number as the one that works. this must be reflected in the configs too prolly /etc/fstab and xen configs. |
| 16:01.44 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, but walk the /etc with git first to compare. |
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| 16:02.05 | Pinchiukas | They've added a bunch of other packets and customizations. There'd be a lot of differences. |
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| 16:02.33 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, filter those in .git/config |
| 16:03.05 | Pinchiukas | Filter what? The buttload of differences? |
| 16:03.16 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, thats even faster then maually walking all, and even then you might overlook stuff |
| 16:03.25 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, manually* |
| 16:03.44 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, unless you have a better idee? |
| 16:03.52 | Pinchiukas | That's slower, I think. |
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| 16:05.26 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, for the git dif, you don't need to stage nor commit, only the dif files will be shown, not the new ones for the packages you don't have, if you make a git from the instance that didn't work first. |
| 16:05.58 | Pinchiukas | I don't really know how to use git. :) |
| 16:06.03 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, and i ment only the /etc dir |
| 16:06.15 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, ah darn |
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| 16:08.20 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, then manually walk it, search for tings that are important in the boot/mount stage or could affect xen behaviour, thats the best i can do as an advice, unless you have logs to show, would could be wring. |
| 16:08.27 | dutchfish | wrong* |
| 16:08.45 | Pinchiukas | What logs? |
| 16:09.16 | _Dave123_ | what would be considered a good to do list manager for debian? |
| 16:09.19 | _Dave123_ | (gnome) |
| 16:09.19 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i gues not |
| 16:09.53 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I do have the console output of both mine and the working Debian instance. |
| 16:10.06 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, well, thats something, paste it |
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| 16:12.00 | Pinchiukas | I've found the same problem experienced by somebody else: http://pastebin.com/HyK87CVt |
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| 16:12.42 | Pinchiukas | He even listed the device files. |
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| 16:19.20 | MattJ | If I want to set up a server where I can dput source packages and get binary packages come out the other end, what stack is recommended nowadays? |
| 16:20.19 | iderik | if a script in /bin needs to store data, where is the typically place to store this file? /var? any special subdir in /var? |
| 16:20.29 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: any ideas from that guys pastebin? |
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| 16:21.01 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, working on it, i have to look up the stuff |
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| 16:22.23 | MattJ | iderik, /var/lib? |
| 16:22.38 | jelly-home | iderik: executables in /bin ought not to depend on other mountpoints. What are you trying to package? |
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| 16:24.18 | jelly-home | iderik: if it's a custom, unpackaged executable, it's more proper to put it in /usr/local/bin instead |
| 16:25.10 | _Dave123_ | whats the best way to check if works when having set a static ip address in debian? |
| 16:25.29 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, what does the script /scripts/init-bottom contians in the working instance? |
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| 16:28.05 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: I'd bet they're the same. :) |
| 16:28.27 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, well, in your pastebin it's missing |
| 16:28.46 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, line 194 |
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| 16:29.50 | iderik | jelly-home: its just a script of my own |
| 16:30.18 | shanepardue | I'm thinking of installing Gnome on top of a headless server for the wife to have a decent computer to use for basic web browsing and blogging. Am I going to regret this decision with a big performance hit? |
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| 16:30.44 | jelly-home | iderik: put it in /usr/local/bin then |
| 16:31.05 | tensorpudding | shanepardue, performance hit to what? |
| 16:31.13 | ompaul | shanepardue: the length of a piece of string is the answer, if the box has a reasonable processor and ram surely not |
| 16:31.28 | iderik | jelly-home: thanks :) |
| 16:31.34 | shanepardue | older dual-core with 2gb ram. Might upgrade ram |
| 16:31.46 | jelly-home | iderik: data might go into /var/lib/scriptname or /var/local/scriptname |
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| 16:31.49 | tensorpudding | you might |
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| 16:35.33 | Pinchiukas | dutchfish: it's the other guys log and no, nothing is missing there. |
| 16:35.40 | Pinchiukas | He has the same problem I'm having. |
| 16:36.11 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, i have to end this due to time constraints, i am sorry it didn't work out to help you. |
| 16:36.16 | Bushmills | shanepardue: depending on the wife's browsing habits, the rest of the world may suffer from a performance hit. |
| 16:36.33 | shanepardue | Bushmills: ha, true indeed |
| 16:36.43 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, read again what i said about UUID and ocmparing the configs and study th elogs |
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| 16:36.50 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, good luck |
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| 16:38.06 | Pinchiukas | Thanks. |
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| 16:39.02 | shanepardue | I guess my biggest concern is, will the installation of Gnome affect the performance of Apache/MySQL |
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| 16:39.51 | ompaul | shanepardue: isn't there a way to test this and find out |
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| 16:40.49 | shanepardue | I suppose I'll give it a go.. |
| 16:41.24 | iderik | jelly-home: i was thinking of the procedur of uninstalling/removing the script, the user might not know that there is now a dead file lying there forever |
| 16:42.11 | iderik | jelly-home: the dead file will be the leftover datafile in var/lib/script/ |
| 16:42.45 | iderik | jelly-home: hmm, thats what packages are for, right? :O |
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| 16:52.29 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can tell me what's wrong: http://pastebin.com/9QvGvum1 ? I bet he's experiencing the same problem: http://pastebin.com/HyK87CVt |
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| 17:02.35 | jeward | How do I fix: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. ? |
| 17:02.44 | jeward | I've tried: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/x11-connection-rejected-because-of-wrong-authentication/ |
| 17:03.08 | jeward | I get the error when going from one squeeze box to another. |
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| 17:03.25 | Bushmills | jeward: depends how xclient tries to talk to xserver |
| 17:03.26 | valdyn | jeward: define "going" |
| 17:03.40 | jeward | Okay, here's the long story. |
| 17:03.55 | jeward | I'm physically on a Snow Leopard machine. |
| 17:04.09 | jeward | ssh -CX 1stbox |
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| 17:04.14 | jeward | xterm works fine. |
| 17:04.45 | jeward | ssh -CX to 2ndbox (from the 1stbox), I get the error. |
| 17:05.12 | jeward | leopard -> 1stbox -> 2ndbox |
| 17:05.37 | Bushmills | you're currently sitting behind a machine, running an X server, running on snow leopard? |
| 17:06.17 | jeward | I'm on the snow leopard box trying to get X from a squeeze box behind another squeeze box. |
| 17:06.28 | Bushmills | where is the X server? |
| 17:06.50 | jeward | The 1stbox is a "jump" box, the second a linux router. |
| 17:07.03 | Bushmills | and where is the X server? |
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| 17:07.15 | jeward | The X server is on Snow leopard if I understand it right. |
| 17:07.37 | jeward | But it gets complicated when things are nested. |
| 17:07.44 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: You might want to use VNC instead of direct forwarding. |
| 17:07.51 | jeward | So, an xterm displays here fine from 1stbox. |
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| 17:08.15 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: I would love too, but I'm going through a firewall. |
| 17:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: You need to use ssh's port forwarding if you want to forward X. |
| 17:08.21 | valdyn | jeward: is X forwarding enabled on the 2nd ssh *server* ? |
| 17:08.41 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: VNC's going to be easier to pass through the firewall. |
| 17:08.45 | Bushmills | then you probalby need to set the xserver on snow leopard to accept the remote xclients |
| 17:08.45 | jeward | valdyn: It is enabled on both 1stbox and 2ndbox. |
| 17:09.03 | jeward | Bushmills: It accepts them fine from 1stbox. |
| 17:09.15 | Bushmills | that's fine that it does |
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| 17:09.28 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: Isn't that what ssh -XC does? |
| 17:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: No. |
| 17:09.44 | jeward | Ah. |
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| 17:10.25 | jhutchins_lt | You establish a forwarded connection from your client to the intermediate box, which then looks like a connection to the third box. |
| 17:10.26 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.27 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: Different kind of forwarding. |
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| 17:11.05 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: Hmmm, thi used to work. |
| 17:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: That only works on a direct connection. ssh port forwarding simulates a direct connection. |
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| 17:11.58 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: Is there any way to use something fancier like Wyse Pocketcloud? |
| 17:12.06 | jeward | Are you guys familiar with that? |
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| 17:12.24 | jeward | A host registers with google somehow and then you can bypass all this tunneling. |
| 17:12.32 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: vnc |
| 17:12.49 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: Right, but I need to get it through the firewall. |
| 17:13.26 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: Do you know how to do that without modifying the firewall? |
| 17:13.49 | jeward | I've done it with Wyse Pocketcloud and an iPad->Mac. |
| 17:14.04 | jeward | But I want to see my debian desktop. |
| 17:14.34 | jeward | I saw a video of a guy veiwing his ubuntu desktop on an iPad that way. |
| 17:14.42 | jeward | So I figure it has to be douable. |
| 17:14.52 | jeward | Just can't figure out how. |
| 17:14.56 | valdyn | jeward: ssh -X cannot show your debian desktop, only X clients, like xterm |
| 17:15.19 | jeward | valdyn: I have done vncviewer through ssh -X before. |
| 17:15.32 | Bushmills | you could try ssh -Y ... |
| 17:15.43 | jeward | Bushmills: Trying now. |
| 17:15.52 | valdyn | jeward: ok, that works, but its a silly idea |
| 17:16.11 | jeward | valdyn: I'm open to less silly ideas. :-) |
| 17:16.24 | valdyn | jeward: naturally vnclient is an X client too indeed |
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| 17:16.46 | jeward | valdyn: And the only way I've been able to solve this problem in the past. |
| 17:16.56 | valdyn | jeward: what do you want - vnc or "just" ssh -X ? |
| 17:17.14 | jeward | valdyn: vnc would be ideal. |
| 17:17.18 | Bushmills | jeward: be aware that may -Y suggestion is 6 minutes old, and was queued by the client during a period of disconnection |
| 17:17.43 | valdyn | jeward: log into the 1stbox, -X is not required, create a tunnel to the 2ndbox |
| 17:17.59 | valdyn | jeward: once that tunnel is set up you can run vnclient on your mac |
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| 17:18.08 | jeward | valdyn: Now the kicker is, my workstations is... 3rdbox... |
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| 17:18.24 | valdyn | jeward: so? |
| 17:18.34 | jeward | laptop->jumpbox->firewall->workstation |
| 17:18.51 | valdyn | jeward: why cant the laptop log into the firewall directly? |
| 17:19.06 | jeward | firewall denies access to anything but the jumpbox. |
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| 17:19.39 | valdyn | jeward: so it goes like this, create a tunnel jumpbox->firewall, create another tunnel firewall -> workstation |
| 17:19.50 | valdyn | jeward: and run the program using those tunnels on your laptop |
| 17:19.50 | Bushmills | would install openvpn on both ends and let the clients talk to server through a seemingly local connection |
| 17:20.10 | jeward | Ah... I COULD use openvpn I think. |
| 17:20.16 | valdyn | jeward: ssh can create those tunnels, see -L and -R |
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| 17:20.31 | jeward | valdyn: Okay, that sounds feasible. |
| 17:20.37 | valdyn | jeward: openvpn can do this too and more, but its not really significantly different for the purpose youre telling us |
| 17:20.50 | valdyn | jeward: i mean, openvpn isnt any easier to set up |
| 17:20.58 | jeward | True that! |
| 17:21.43 | PerfDave | I keep reading your nick as jedward, I'm sorry. |
| 17:21.50 | Bushmills | true, but once you need to connect to a remote box through hops, one is likely to find more applications and uses for shortcutting the connection |
| 17:22.15 | ompaul | PerfDave: that wasn't nice, I was had just managed not to! |
| 17:22.24 | jeward | What is jedward? |
| 17:22.52 | ompaul | jeward: you'd change your nick if you saw |
| 17:23.13 | Bushmills | a fork of jed editor? |
| 17:23.17 | jeward | Looks. :-) |
| 17:23.21 | ompaul | jeward: safe for work, safe for everything including xfactor |
| 17:23.41 | jeward | Cool! |
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| 17:23.58 | jeward | Sort of a Devo Adam Ant cross. :-) |
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| 17:24.37 | ompaul | jeward: oh dear, I have images in my head thanks |
| 17:25.05 | jeward | Hmmm, trying it through the openvpn tunnel. |
| 17:25.08 | Bushmills | was it good stuff? |
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| 17:25.28 | ompaul | Bushmills: mostly alt dot tasteless |
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| 17:25.52 | Bushmills | the stuff causing the images in your head? |
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| 17:28.11 | ompaul | Bushmills: magnam fortunam magnus animus decet! ;-) and that is the problem here |
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| 17:29.01 | jeward | Hmmm, I can tunnel vnc hrough ssh through the openvpn, but I can connect directly through the openvpn with Screen Sharing. |
| 17:29.15 | jeward | cannot, rather,. |
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| 17:29.46 | Bushmills | vnc though ssh through openvpn?? |
| 17:29.55 | systemclient | how do I commit a patch in a debian package? |
| 17:29.56 | jeward | Yes, that works. |
| 17:29.57 | Bushmills | through, even |
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| 17:30.20 | jeward | vnc directly through openvpn isn't working. |
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| 17:30.40 | jeward | May be the OSX vnc client isn't liked by the vnc server. |
| 17:30.46 | Bushmills | xdmcp through openvpn? |
| 17:31.01 | jeward | Bushmills: Never done that. |
| 17:31.14 | jeward | I find uncompressed X awfully slow. |
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| 17:31.40 | jeward | Oh wait... it's coming back to me now... |
| 17:31.50 | tdubellz | nods |
| 17:31.58 | jeward | Something about bonjour/avahi? |
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| 17:32.20 | Bushmills | that's more for service announcement |
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| 17:32.42 | jeward | Yeah, seems like the OSX vnc client needs that. |
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| 17:32.46 | _Dave123_ | does anyone know a remote desktop client tool for Debian Gnome? |
| 17:32.51 | Bushmills | aka zeroconf |
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| 17:33.30 | agaran | hello |
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| 17:33.45 | Bushmills | _Dave123_: remmina, to support multiple protocols |
| 17:34.06 | tdubellz | hello agaran |
| 17:34.10 | Bushmills | (including rdp) |
| 17:34.19 | _Dave123_ | Bushmills: its better than rdesktop? |
| 17:34.24 | lukaso666 | Hi, I have problem with Crunchbarng I installed today; I asked at crunch channel but I didn't get any answer. My webcam is not recognized by skype or cheese - at all. my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/cDf7hLR4 | port where my webcam is enabled - by usbview - is defined as: http://pastebin.com/kdXHZzQH and http://pastebin.com/1hq12a7c |
| 17:34.30 | lukaso666 | anyone can help me? |
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| 17:34.35 | Bushmills | can't really tell, i never used rdp |
| 17:34.58 | Bushmills | lukaso666: ask them again |
| 17:35.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, how do I use remote desktop/vnc to show the login screen? I was able to connect and then I logged out now I cannot connect ideas? |
| 17:35.03 | jeward | tries chicken of the VNC. |
| 17:35.19 | Bushmills | nag them until they reply - they're authoritative on crunchbang |
| 17:35.33 | lukaso666 | Bushmills, I'll come back to Debian Sid probably - the best stuff :) Crunchbang drive me mad |
| 17:35.48 | Bushmills | sid will drive you mad too |
| 17:35.56 | lukaso666 | noooo :) |
| 17:35.58 | sauvin | How so? |
| 17:36.05 | lukaso666 | I had Sid and Aptosid long time |
| 17:36.16 | Bushmills | dozens of updates and new packages every day |
| 17:36.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, how do I use remote desktop/vnc to show the login screen? I was able to connect and then I logged out now I cannot connect ideas? |
| 17:36.27 | lukaso666 | I knooow |
| 17:37.30 | agaran | anyone using radeon (radeon driver, no fb) with xorg, squeeze, and having X crash once sdl app is launched? |
| 17:37.39 | jeward | The final problem.... the workstation has two huge Mac Cinema displays. vncviewer displays the right one, Chicken of the VNC the left "wrong" one. |
| 17:37.57 | Bushmills | agaran: statistically, most probable |
| 17:38.28 | agaran | Bushmills: statistically my google fu fails to find any bugreports and if thats common there should be plenty ;) |
| 17:38.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do you get remote desktop working on debian before you login? |
| 17:38.52 | Bushmills | i haven't even tried to google for that combination :) |
| 17:38.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | as in, so you can see the login screen? |
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| 17:39.12 | agaran | THE_GFR|WORK: xdmcp you mean? |
| 17:39.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | agaran: I guess? |
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| 17:39.38 | matrixiumn | bye |
| 17:39.39 | jeward | Can the also do it with vino? |
| 17:39.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | agaran: I'm not sure what you mean by xdmcp |
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| 17:40.09 | agaran | THE_GFR|WORK: you need local X client broadcast Xdmcp query, there is option to do so with gdm(local) to find remote X machines allowing xdmcp, there was also Xterminals (hardware stuff with firmware==Xserver) which were able to do so too |
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| 17:40.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | agaran: I need to be able to do it with VNC |
| 17:40.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | so I can see the local desktop and not create a new desktop |
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| 17:41.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | agaran: it only works when you are actually logged-in in this case, and now I cannot see the login screen |
| 17:41.37 | agaran | THE_GFR|WORK: hmm, then i don't know, i think its possible because vnc act as xserver on linux, so user-login-chooser could display on it probably, but i don't know |
| 17:41.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | :o |
| 17:41.58 | jeward | This is how you do it in Ubuntu: http://jakeyoon.com/2008/11/19/enable-vino-vnc-server-for-login-manager-gdm-in-ubuntu/ |
| 17:42.08 | agaran | at least it can act as xserver, not sure whats in super new Xorg.. |
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| 17:43.02 | jeward | This may be more generic: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/04/16/linux-remote-desktop-part-2-connect-to-gdm-or-kdm-login-screen-using-vnc/ |
| 17:43.05 | agaran | Bushmills: any hints how to debug? (Xnest launched, then starting sdl app with DISPLAY pointing to xnest server causes crash of xnest only so better for debugging) |
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| 17:44.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: thanks but, since I am not logged in and I didn't restart the machine, do I just restart x? |
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| 17:44.48 | NickBelhomme | hi guys, I want to install debian from a usb key, and I knwo in the past I had a website presenting a windows tool which formatted and installed an kind of iso on it, so install was a breeze. Does this ring a bell? |
| 17:44.49 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 17:45.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: thanks |
| 17:45.31 | Bushmills | no real idea. i'd probably start by determining whether the machine actually crashes or just shows a dark screen |
| 17:45.49 | agaran | Bushmills: just X crashes (for me), machine works |
| 17:45.57 | agaran | Bushmills: and gdm respawns, i can relogin etc.. |
| 17:46.15 | agaran | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506666 this is very similar bug |
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| 17:46.55 | agaran | but so far i never saw mentioned error message |
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| 17:47.11 | agaran | same was happening on lenny..so i upgraded |
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| 17:49.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: that didn't work, followed the directions, nothing |
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| 17:49.44 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: you're trying to connect to :0? |
| 17:49.48 | NickBelhomme | hi guys, I want to install debian from a usb key, and I knwo in the past I had a website presenting a windows tool which formatted and installed the iso on it, so install was a breeze. Does this ring a bell? |
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| 17:50.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: yea |
| 17:51.19 | agaran | any pointeres where i can get hints how to debug/help? |
| 17:51.22 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: Dunno, I've never actually done it myself. Oh, you do have to enable vino. |
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| 17:52.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: how? |
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| 17:52.33 | jeward | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=266981 |
| 17:52.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: can't do that if I can't login |
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| 17:54.20 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: So you did the other stuff on your local machine? |
| 17:54.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: yes |
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| 17:54.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | but it cannot open display when trying to do vino, my issue is I cannot see the login screen! |
| 17:54.53 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: You can't do anything to the remote machine if you can't login. |
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| 17:55.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: I cannot see the gnome LOGIN SCREEN that's what I need to see! |
| 17:55.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: I can SSH in |
| 17:55.27 | qrq | How make distributable copy of my debian? |
| 17:55.38 | hid3 | Looks like 6.0.3 is just out!!! |
| 17:55.47 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: See the articles I linked... you need to work on the remote machine. |
| 17:56.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: I have been, I try to connect with VNC and it won't because I'm NOT logged in I need to see the normal desktop |
| 17:56.58 | jeward | What port did you try to connect vnc to? |
| 17:57.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | default |
| 17:57.46 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: try 5900 |
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| 17:58.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: ok |
| 17:59.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: its not working |
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| 18:00.22 | jeward | THE_GFR|WORK: I can't do it for you, sorry. |
| 18:00.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: I do not know I edited the files but it does not work |
| 18:00.46 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can tell me what's wrong: http://pastebin.com/9QvGvum1 ? I bet he's experiencing the same problem: http://pastebin.com/HyK87CVt |
| 18:00.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | when I try to start vino it says "cannot start display" or something like that |
| 18:01.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | "cannot open display" |
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| 18:03.02 | stranger_ | hello. could anyone please tell me, where are file/directory read attemts 'permission denied' errors logged, if they are logged at all? |
| 18:03.54 | valdyn | stranger_: they are not |
| 18:03.56 | _Dave123_ | any rdesktop users for debian in here? how can i exit a full screen? |
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| 18:06.59 | lamah | hi all |
| 18:07.02 | lamah | i have The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:07.05 | lamah | for libreoffice only |
| 18:07.09 | lamah | i can't install libreoffice? |
| 18:07.10 | lamah | how? |
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| 18:07.25 | lamah | aptitude and apt-get can't help |
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| 18:07.52 | lamah | !umet |
| 18:08.30 | stranger_ | thanx, valdyn. The problem is that I have a user, say userx, and a directory /var/www/site.com owned by www-data:userx with 570 permissions, while /var/www is owned by root:webdev with 750 permissions, and a symlink from /home/userx/www/site.com to /var/www/site.com, and userx can't open /var/www/site.com directory, while he is in a owner group (userx). |
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| 18:10.47 | dokma | anyone here uses ISPConfig on Debian? |
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| 18:11.05 | dokma | I already have a manually setup server where I've configured vexim |
| 18:11.19 | dokma | but now I'm thinking of managin the whole server with ISPConfig |
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| 18:11.42 | dokma | so I'm thinking of how does ISPConfig actually manage the email accounts |
| 18:11.56 | valdyn | stranger_: he needs +x to /var/www |
| 18:12.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | jeward: how do I fix this I cannot get it to show me the LOGIN SCREEN!!!!! |
| 18:12.47 | stranger_ | valdyn: thanx, will try it. |
| 18:13.49 | valdyn | stranger_: when everyone can enter /var/www, that does not imply that everyone can read its contents, and he does not need to |
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| 18:15.21 | stranger_ | valdyn: works like charm, thanks again =) |
| 18:15.23 | stranger_ | *a |
| 18:15.32 | valdyn | stranger_: symlinks cant work around parent permissions btw, but hardlinks or bind mounts can |
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| 18:19.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | how do I make the login screen for SCREEN :0 work vian VNC? |
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| 18:22.23 | lapfrog | yo guys. i'm looking for a multimedia player (music/video) that i can install on my debian media box, and which i could control remotely via some software. it must have manageable playlists and capable to play on fbdev |
| 18:22.45 | valdyn | lapfrog: why fbdev? |
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| 18:22.52 | lapfrog | it's an X-less machine |
| 18:23.18 | qrq | I want installable iso of my debian , is there any simple application to do it? |
| 18:23.22 | valdyn | lapfrog: sure, i can see that when you want fbdev, but since fbdev is orders of magnitude slower than X, Im asking why |
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| 18:23.33 | lapfrog | it's fine for movie playback |
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| 18:24.01 | lapfrog | the machine has an intel on-board and i was able to watch family guy (about 700px wide) fine |
| 18:24.10 | lapfrog | and vlc played it back with stretching (Full screen) |
| 18:24.33 | lapfrog | but i'm looking for a way to set this up, like i did with torrents (transmission-daemon on the box, transmission remote clients on the other machines) |
| 18:24.39 | valdyn | lapfrog: if it was to slow in X , it will be even slower on fbdev |
| 18:24.49 | lapfrog | i said nothing about speed in X |
| 18:24.56 | valdyn | lapfrog: i see |
| 18:25.13 | lapfrog | music is more important though |
| 18:25.29 | lapfrog | it must have a manageable playlist, and the remote clients must be able to manage this playlist |
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| 18:28.12 | stranger_ | is there any way to show to the user only those files/directories, on which he has read or execute permission? so when user lists /var/www, he sees only his site1 and site2 directories, and not other user's site3 and site4? |
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| 18:28.39 | valdyn | stranger_: why can he even list /var/www ? |
| 18:28.52 | qrq | Can anyone help me? |
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| 18:29.25 | valdyn | qrq: mondo does this |
| 18:30.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, when I logout of X it does not show the login screen what do I do to fix this? |
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| 18:30.25 | valdyn | stranger_: the permissions to list are determined only by the read flag on /var/www, theres no way to hide stuff |
| 18:30.27 | stranger_ | Now he can't, it gives him 'permission denied' error. I'm just curious if I can get rid of this error and only list directories he has permission to |
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| 18:30.51 | valdyn | qrq: or with home files, your choice |
| 18:31.17 | qrq | valdyn Thanks |
| 18:31.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone, when I logout of X it does not show the login screen what do I do to fix this? |
| 18:31.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | it closes X totally how do I fix this |
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| 18:32.10 | valdyn | stranger_: use bind mounts if you dont want him to see errors |
| 18:32.25 | stranger_ | ok, thanks, valdyn |
| 18:32.36 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: youre still talking about vnc i assume |
| 18:32.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: no not atm |
| 18:33.03 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: how do you start X ? |
| 18:33.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | I type startx at command-line |
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| 18:33.31 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: aptitude install gdm |
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| 18:34.01 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: or gdm3 or xdm or kdm or whatever you want |
| 18:34.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: its there |
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| 18:34.14 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: what is there? |
| 18:34.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: gdm I guess? |
| 18:34.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can kill and restart GDM |
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| 18:34.40 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: then you get a login screen |
| 18:34.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: not a GUI one |
| 18:34.55 | _Dave123_ | I have just installed openssh server on my virtual machine of debian squeeze (all latest version) somehow i cannot connect to it.. Is there something i need to add? I can ping the ip of the virtual machine from anywhere |
| 18:35.01 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: gdm is a login screen |
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| 18:35.06 | THE_GFR|WORK | hmm |
| 18:35.14 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: whats your gdm doing when its not presenting a login screen? |
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| 18:35.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: I do not know |
| 18:35.53 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: run as root "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 18:36.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok |
| 18:36.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | GDM is already running. Aborting |
| 18:36.27 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: run as root "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
| 18:37.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | "there already appears to be an X server running on display :0 |
| 18:37.28 | thewanderer1 | hi, where do I find documentation why sqlite3 requires write permission to the directory holding the database file? |
| 18:37.33 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: yes, you need to quit X, then start gdm |
| 18:37.54 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: why the hell would you need documentation for this? |
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| 18:38.33 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: sorry, wrong target |
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| 18:38.42 | valdyn | thewanderer1: why the hell would you need documentation for this? |
| 18:38.59 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: a one-line answer is fine, too |
| 18:39.22 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: just a sec |
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| 18:40.32 | valdyn | thewanderer1: theres no sqlite3 daemon that would deal with permissions in its own way like mysqld would |
| 18:40.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: now it shows correctly |
| 18:40.59 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: sure, but the database file already exists :/ |
| 18:41.25 | valdyn | thewanderer1: you mean you want to only read from it? |
| 18:41.43 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: no, write. but it's only 1 file per database. |
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| 18:41.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: now here is my VNC question, how do I get VNC to display my login gdm page? |
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| 18:42.28 | soomsoom | When i connecting a usb storage to the computer, I getting an error message from gnome... the usb drive is formatted to fat32, and when i mounting it manually its works... what could be the problem? |
| 18:42.48 | agaran | soomsoom: what error message says? |
| 18:42.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | because it used to do so... |
| 18:43.11 | soomsoom | I will send you screen shot |
| 18:43.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | now all it says is "protocol negotiated" with VNC |
| 18:43.49 | soomsoom | agaran: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/screenshotunledwindow.png/ |
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| 18:44.13 | soomsoom | and if i manually mount it, its working!! no bad block... |
| 18:44.25 | soomsoom | i think its only permission issue |
| 18:44.28 | agaran | soomsoom: now dmesg|tail after gnome attempt to mount |
| 18:44.33 | valdyn | thewanderer1: i dont know sqlite3 internals, only similar databases, likely culprits are lockfiles or temporary db files or a recreation of the whole db file. |
| 18:44.34 | agaran | soomsoom: and look for errors there |
| 18:45.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | valdyn: ??? |
| 18:45.17 | valdyn | THE_GFR|WORK: dont ask me, I dont know. |
| 18:45.19 | soomsoom | agaran: http://pastie.org/2661975 |
| 18:46.10 | agaran | hmm i would say that it tries to find iso partition there, but don't know why |
| 18:46.36 | agaran | if you have no fstab entries for /dev/sdb1 then i have no idea |
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| 18:47.08 | soomsoom | agaran: oh no |
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| 18:47.30 | soomsoom | agaran: http://pastie.org/2661981 |
| 18:47.47 | soomsoom | /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 18:47.49 | soomsoom | :X |
| 18:47.54 | agaran | soomsoom: so why you are surprised?;>> |
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| 18:48.04 | soomsoom | agaran: if i will remove it? |
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| 18:48.13 | agaran | soomsoom: just place # before line |
| 18:48.35 | valdyn | thewanderer1: http://www.sqlite.org/tempfiles.html |
| 18:48.44 | thewanderer1 | aa-haaaaa! |
| 18:48.55 | soomsoom | agaran: ohhhh now its working great! :D |
| 18:49.00 | soomsoom | thanks :D |
| 18:49.10 | thewanderer1 | thanks, I was using transactions and I'd never met that condition before |
| 18:49.11 | agaran | np |
| 18:49.35 | Gargantua | Anyone here know anything about the alsa modular synth? I have it installed but I think I have an audio problem or something because none of the doc examples play forme. |
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| 18:50.08 | valdyn | Gargantua: dont think, simply tell us the command that doesnt do what you want and its output |
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| 18:50.15 | valdyn | !alsa checklist |
| 18:50.16 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 18:50.20 | valdyn | Gargantua: or follow ^^ |
| 18:51.25 | Gargantua | valdyn: step 5 already works for me. |
| 18:51.44 | soomsoom | finally i can copy files in a regular user to my phone :D |
| 18:52.07 | valdyn | Gargantua: does that work as a regular user too? |
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| 18:52.32 | Gargantua | Yes it does. |
| 18:52.48 | valdyn | Gargantua: great, now let us know what does not work... |
| 18:53.19 | Gargantua | I'm loading an introductory .ams example file and pressing Synthesis -> Play, I hear nothing. |
| 18:53.23 | Gargantua | Tried several examples. |
| 18:53.44 | valdyn | Gargantua: am I supposed to know which program you are using? |
| 18:54.01 | Gargantua | Alsa Modular Synthesis, also known as ams. |
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| 18:58.14 | valdyn | Gargantua: funny how its called alsa ... but seems to use jackd |
| 18:59.08 | Gargantua | You know what's even funnier? the documentations were last updated in 2003. |
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| 18:59.48 | valdyn | Gargantua: start it from a terminal, at least then you can see jackd output |
| 19:00.36 | Gargantua | Interesting |
| 19:00.39 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.22 | valdyn | qrq: i cant help you with that, i used to create isos and burn later |
| 19:01.25 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.14 | valdyn | Gargantua: you can see where jackd is playing back, and you can compare that with /proc/asound/devices |
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| 19:04.52 | Gargantua | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/iiwDtX9K |
| 19:05.43 | Gargantua | valdyn: what do you think? |
| 19:06.30 | valdyn | Gargantua: looks fine |
| 19:06.36 | valdyn | Gargantua: but i see no jackd output there |
| 19:06.48 | valdyn | Gargantua: you started that seperately? |
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| 19:08.32 | Gargantua | valdyn: what do you mean? |
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| 19:08.54 | valdyn | Gargantua: jackd is a sound daemon that is started with ams when I start ams |
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| 19:09.26 | Gargantua | gargantua@laptix:/usr/share/ams/tutorial$ ps ax | grep jackd 9056 pts/3 S+ 0:00 grep jackd |
| 19:09.34 | Gargantua | Should I run that command after the ams one? |
| 19:09.48 | valdyn | Gargantua: its starting automagically with ams for me |
| 19:09.59 | Gargantua | gargantua@laptix:~$ ps ax | grep jackd 9063 ? SLsl 0:00 /usr/bin/jackd -T -ndefault -p 128 -R -P 60 -T -d alsa -n 2 -r 48000 -p 1024 -d hw:0,0 |
| 19:10.06 | Gargantua | Same here. |
| 19:10.17 | valdyn | Gargantua: i dont get sound either so uh |
| 19:10.39 | valdyn | Gargantua: if hw:0,0 is your primary sound card you should hear something |
| 19:10.50 | valdyn | Gargantua: s/primary/the correct/ |
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| 19:11.32 | Gargantua | How do I know if it is? |
| 19:11.42 | valdyn | Gargantua: cat /proc/asound/devices |
| 19:12.37 | valdyn | Gargantua: [0- 0] is card 0, channel 0 |
| 19:12.48 | valdyn | Gargantua: hw:0,0 is the same |
| 19:13.00 | valdyn | Gargantua: and /proc/asound/cards enumerates cards |
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| 19:13.21 | Gargantua | [0 - 0] is digital audio playback, digital audio capture, and hardware dependent. |
| 19:13.32 | Gargantua | The list starts at 2: |
| 19:13.44 | valdyn | Gargantua: yea, you can ignore that 2: |
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| 19:14.36 | Gargantua | I think I know what the problem is |
| 19:14.37 | Gargantua | AlsaModularSynth is a realtime modular synthesizer and effect processor. It features |
| 19:14.37 | Gargantua | MIDI controlled modular software synthesis |
| 19:14.37 | Gargantua | Realtime effect processing with capture from e.g. "Line In" or "Mic In". |
| 19:14.37 | Gargantua | I don't have a keyboard or anything? |
| 19:14.37 | Gargantua | Man, I was they had proper documentation. |
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| 19:16.14 | Gargantua | valdyn: any ideas? |
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| 19:16.56 | shysoft | I'd like to compile a library on my Debian machine for use on Red Hat. Is this straightforward, or am I likely to encounter issues? |
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| 19:18.11 | Dulak | shysoft: you probably want to compile it statically then, which makes for bigger binaries, and locks you to the libraries on the debian machine, but should run ok on redhat. |
| 19:18.22 | krikri | !lsb |
| 19:18.22 | dpkg | Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>. |
| 19:18.28 | llua | i changed my systems hostname. but when i try to ssh into it i have to use the old hostname. any idea why? |
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| 19:18.54 | ompaul | llua: you might want to tell the box you are sshing in from that the host name changed be it dns /etc/hosts |
| 19:19.04 | ompaul | llua: whatever way it finds out the name |
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| 19:20.08 | llua | ompaul: was hoping if it would be another way of doing it. but thank you |
| 19:21.07 | Dulak | llua: you can override dns using the hosts file on the client machine, that works in any OS just a matter of finding the hosts file to modify |
| 19:21.30 | Wyzard | llua: A machine's own idea of its own hostname is completely separate from what DNS says its name is |
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| 19:21.51 | Wyzard | It's like deciding to call yourself by a new name, but the phone book still lists you under your old name |
| 19:22.14 | Dulak | Wyzard++ |
| 19:22.21 | Wyzard | You need to update DNS, or /etc/hosts on other machines, or whatever else you're using to resolve names to addresses on your network |
| 19:22.31 | llua | makes sense. thank you. |
| 19:23.19 | Wyzard | If it's on a LAN, you might look into using avahi and libnss-mdns |
| 19:23.54 | Wyzard | Those let you look up other machines on the LAN using "<hostname>.local" as a DNS name, and the hostnames are chosen by the machines themselves |
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| 19:36.29 | Dionix | hey quick question, i've been away from deiban for a long time and i can't find a flash plugin on apt |
| 19:36.39 | Dionix | what should i apt-cache search for? |
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| 19:37.15 | Wyzard | Dionix: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:37.23 | somiaj | flashplugin-nonfree -- you have to have non-free sources enabled |
| 19:37.23 | Dionix | thank you |
| 19:37.38 | Dulak | Dionix: you have to enable the non-free repo to get the adobe flash, otherwise you can use gnash |
| 19:37.41 | Dionix | ah i may need to add nonfree to my apt |
| 19:37.56 | Dionix | =] yeah hehe i remember some stuff |
| 19:38.11 | somiaj | note flashplugin-nonfree is just scripts to install flash, not flash itself so it won't update flash for you, but gives you tools to do that. |
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| 19:38.31 | unkmar | I'm ready to complain. I attempted the debian way. of course, I running lenny which doesn't help the matters. |
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| 19:38.44 | somiaj | the debian way for what? |
| 19:38.57 | unkmar | aptitude install virtualbox and the many other attempted forms have failed. |
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| 19:40.02 | th0r | unkmar: you can either download the packages from the oracle website, or get the ppa information from that site and add it to your sources.list |
| 19:40.03 | unkmar | It loads and won't run the virtual machine unless I run it as root, which requires me to again create the virtual machine under the root user. And I believe that to be the wrong way to do it. |
| 19:40.26 | Dulak | unkmar: you probably gonna have to get the deb packages for virtualbox and install them manually |
| 19:40.51 | th0r | unkmar: did you add your user to the group vboxusers? |
| 19:41.28 | unkmar | th0r: yep, then logged out and in again, even attempted a reboot. been doing alot of those lately so uptime hasn't been a big concern. |
| 19:42.04 | th0r | unkmar: you can run virtualbox as root, correct? |
| 19:43.38 | unkmar | well, I could until my latest attempt to reinstall it all. It complains the version VBox kernel modules doesn't mactch teh VBox application. |
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| 19:44.13 | Dionix | ty its working fine now =] |
| 19:44.14 | th0r | unkmar: well, you have it hosed now. You should uninstall everything, download the latest from oracle, and install it again from scratch |
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| 19:45.02 | unkmar | it would be great if it was easy to uninstall it all. Requires removing 2 or 3 packages with long names. |
| 19:45.58 | unkmar | at least the UI version of aptitude works well enough when you know how to use limit. |
| 19:46.08 | Wyzard | unkmar: Are you running squeeze, or wheezy? |
| 19:46.21 | unkmar | Wyzard: no. lenny. |
| 19:46.34 | jnewt_ | if when using smartctl a) the drive shows Auto Offline data collection on/off support, but fails to enable- "smart enable automatic offline failed" is there anything else i can check? |
| 19:46.37 | unkmar | Wyzard: you want me to upgrade my distro so it can be as hosed at the virtualbox install? |
| 19:47.13 | Wyzard | unkmar: I'd recommend you upgrade to squeeze because it's the current release of Debian anyway |
| 19:47.27 | Wyzard | but I asked because the virtualbox packages have changed, so it's important to know which version you're asking about |
| 19:47.47 | unkmar | Wyzard: cause I'm not going to KILL my machine for 2 days while I try to rebuild from the failed upgrade to squeeze. I have better things to do with my time. |
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| 19:48.18 | th0r | unkmar: attitude won't get you much help. |
| 19:48.20 | Wyzard | so you're going to keep running lenny forever? :-) |
| 19:48.36 | Wyzard | It's OK to continue using it for now, but be aware that it'll eventually stop getting security updates |
| 19:49.01 | unkmar | Wyzard: no, I'm going to run lenny until I have 2 days to kill. I don't have them at the moment. |
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| 19:49.35 | Wyzard | Anyway, it looks like the packages you'd want to install for lenny are virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 (or replace -686 with -amd64 if you're running that) |
| 19:50.06 | unkmar | th0r: I know. Just feeling a bit frustrated. I was fighting virtualbox and about an hour into it I became aware that I was still using Lenny on this system. |
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| 19:50.57 | Wyzard | If you have both of those packages, and they're up-to-date, you shouldn't be getting errors about mismatched versions of the kernel module |
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| 19:51.59 | Wyzard | btw, lenny's version of virtualbox is quite old |
| 19:52.10 | Wyzard | 1.6.6, whereas the current version is 4.0 |
| 19:52.16 | th0r | Wyzard: there are lenny packages at oracle |
| 19:52.29 | Wyzard | backports has version 3.2 for lenny |
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| 19:53.35 | Wyzard | I've never used Oracle's packages so I don't know whether they're similar or different from Debian's packages |
| 19:54.08 | th0r | Wyzard: actually, the ose versions leave something to be desired. I had problems with the earlier 4.1, but the latest, 4.1.4 seems to be running fine in squeeze |
| 19:54.23 | th0r | Wyzard: and as I said...there are also lenny packages at the site |
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| 19:55.00 | Wyzard | virtualbox in general leaves something to be desired IMO -- I don't actually use it, I use vmware |
| 19:55.04 | Wyzard | (though I haven't tried vbox 4) |
| 19:55.16 | Wyzard | but I'm at least familiar with how to correctly install vbox in Debian |
| 19:55.39 | unkmar | the goto a website and download feels so much like windows. |
| 19:55.53 | Wyzard | Are you using the Debian packages or the Oracle ones? |
| 19:56.25 | th0r | Wyzard: who are you asking? I am using the latest oracle packages |
| 19:56.34 | Wyzard | sorry, asking unkmar |
| 19:56.54 | unkmar | Wyzard: I had been trying to use the debian packages via aptitude. |
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| 19:57.14 | FailServer | Heya - I'm trying to install an FTP server, over SSH on a VPS... I think I got it right, however I just get connection refused when I try to connect to the FTP server... Can anyone give me some advice on how to work out where it's going wrong? |
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| 19:57.42 | Wyzard | Did you install virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 (or virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-amd64) ? |
| 19:58.15 | unkmar | FailServer: you are alread ssh into the machine, are you able to ftp via localhost? |
| 19:58.20 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 19:58.29 | unkmar | FailServer: that is the simple test to see if it is running. |
| 19:58.43 | unkmar | FailServer: if so, then you can try reaching it from the outside. |
| 19:59.02 | FailServer | Pure-Ftpd, to clarify, using the debian. unkmar , thanks! Just tried locally, and it's still refused instantly... |
| 19:59.36 | unkmar | FailServer: so the ftp daemon isn't running. Should be able to find it in /etc/init.d |
| 19:59.57 | unkmar | FailServer: I personally try to stay away from ftp. What is your reason for using it? |
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| 20:00.39 | unkmar | FailServer: I tend to use scp or rsync. From the windows world I use WinSCP or pscp. pscp is a putty program. |
| 20:01.06 | FailServer | Long story - mostly as drupal has a sweet module installing feature, from the webUI, which uses ftp (locally on the server) to install |
| 20:01.46 | Wyzard | simpler to just unzip the module into the modules directory yourself IMO |
| 20:02.07 | Wyzard | I don't think it's worth setting up an FTP server (which is an ugly, insecure, OLD protocol) just to avoid that |
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| 20:02.19 | daemonkeeper | !ftp must die |
| 20:02.19 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 20:03.05 | blakkheim | sftp fo life |
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| 20:04.22 | FailServer | I agree with your views, but this way any idiot with drupal admin access can install a module without needing to have any sort of server access... But thanks anyway, I'll get there eventually. :) |
| 20:04.46 | Wyzard | Don't give idiots admin access :-P |
| 20:05.20 | FailServer | Would love not to... Sadly, idiots pay bills :P |
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| 20:06.18 | unkmar | FailServer: yeah, tell me about it. |
| 20:06.52 | unkmar | FailServer: not an invitation. (a sympathetic sholder.) |
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| 20:07.46 | FailServer | haha |
| 20:09.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyhow know what I need to do to make GDM show up via VNC so I can login to the gui? |
| 20:10.11 | unkmar | I'm sure that when I do get time to upgrade to squeeze, I will get to install and setup VirtualBox all over again. Yippee. |
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| 20:10.59 | unkmar | THE_GFR|WORK: I've done it before. I don't recall how. It was ugly. somthing about running x11vnc as root so you can see the login, then getting kicked out and running x11vnc again as the logged in user. |
| 20:11.19 | unkmar | I could be wrong though. |
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| 20:12.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | unkmar: that sounds kind of silly :\ but yea |
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| 20:13.22 | Gargantua | http://pastebin.com/Xb50tyAc |
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| 20:13.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | unkmar: so I guess its just not easy? |
| 20:13.28 | Gargantua | Someone please tell me what this error means? |
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| 20:14.21 | unkmar | THE_GFR|WORK: almost anything can be easy if you can script and setup a system for it. |
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| 20:15.02 | robinetd | I have an atheros 9280 wireless card and I'm running debian testing. I'm trying to connect to a wpa2 AP. It gives no errors through /etc/networking (silently fails to get an address), but when I use wpa_supplicant, I get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument |
| 20:15.03 | unkmar | THE_GFR|WORK: I haven't taken time to find a reliable way to use x11vnc to reverse connect to a listener. Same problems in either direction. :( |
| 20:15.10 | Gargantua | Never mind. |
| 20:16.01 | unkmar | robinetd: so, running "iwconfig" also gives you a sort of IO error? |
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| 20:16.30 | robinetd | unkmar: No, it gives me a list of interfaces (lo, eth0, wlan0). |
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| 20:17.42 | unkmar | robinetd: what about "iwlist wlan0 scanning" |
| 20:18.35 | unkmar | BRB, rebooting. |
| 20:18.56 | robinetd | It just says "Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down". after ifconfig wlan0 up and then running iwlist scan, I get a list of access points. |
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| 20:19.30 | unkmar | robinetd: sounds like a drivers problem. |
| 20:19.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | unkmar: lame :( |
| 20:19.57 | robinetd | That's what I assumed. It's supported by ath9k though and has worked for a while, and under numerous distributions. |
| 20:20.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | unkmar: I'll figure it out later or get help thanks though |
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| 20:21.45 | unkmar | I'm back already. |
| 20:21.55 | robinetd | unkmar: any other ideas? |
| 20:22.24 | unkmar | robinetd: uname -r ? |
| 20:22.37 | robinetd | unkmar: 3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 20:23.02 | unkmar | N cards aren't supported until the more recent kernels. Yeah, that is more recent. Hmm. |
| 20:23.28 | robinetd | Well, it doesn't actually appear to be using the wireless N anyways. Maximum bit rate appears to be 54Mbs. |
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| 20:23.52 | ompaul | robinetd: so here is the question of the day, why are you running pae? |
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| 20:23.57 | unkmar | THE_GFR|WORK: x11vnc does need the MAGIC MIT cookie or something along those lines. |
| 20:24.12 | ompaul | robinetd: also if you are running sid why are you in this channel and not in #debian-next on oftc? |
| 20:24.20 | robinetd | ompaul: I chose linux-image-686 in the installer. It installed pae. I'm not running sid, I'm running testing. |
| 20:24.51 | unkmar | robinetd: testing is generic name. Currently it points to sid. |
| 20:24.57 | rww | erm. |
| 20:24.59 | robinetd | what |
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| 20:25.03 | robinetd | testing is wheezy. |
| 20:25.15 | unkmar | robinetd: oh, well, I'm out of touch. |
| 20:25.23 | ompaul | robinetd: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 20:25.29 | rww | unkmar: testing has never pointed at sid :) |
| 20:25.41 | ompaul | robinetd: obviously you run the squeeze commands |
| 20:25.44 | ompaul | but hey |
| 20:26.32 | robinetd | ompaul: Yeah. ath9k is loaded. Interface is up. Still get those errors. |
| 20:26.53 | robinetd | wpa isn't something you can misconfigure in /etc/network/interfaces very easily. :( |
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| 20:27.46 | rww | robinetd: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces with private information redacted, please |
| 20:28.55 | unkmar | interfaces isn't the problem. The card can't even scan for available networks. Regardless of whether they exist or are encrypted. |
| 20:29.22 | unkmar | That is why I had him run "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 20:29.26 | robinetd | rww: http://dpaste.com/630483/ comments redacted also. |
| 20:29.33 | robinetd | unkmar: It did scan properly. |
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| 20:29.52 | unkmar | I though you reported it wasn't supported. |
| 20:30.00 | robinetd | what? |
| 20:30.28 | robinetd | I've been using my atheros 9280 on many other distributions. It also worked on debian until recently for some reason. |
| 20:30.34 | unkmar | oh, oops, Overlooked. |
| 20:30.35 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.49 | robinetd | Read the last part of that. |
| 20:31.08 | unkmar | yeah, then I'll look at interfaces. |
| 20:31.13 | ompaul | robinetd: it would be better if you said the positive stuff the other although more detailed was not needed :) |
| 20:31.28 | ompaul | eg fter ifconfig wlan0 up and then running iwlist scan, I get a list of access points. |
| 20:31.33 | robinetd | ompaul: This does not help me. |
| 20:32.09 | ompaul | robinetd: it does if you don't put in info not needed people don't get info overload |
| 20:32.19 | rww | Oddly, I was able to read it just fine. |
| 20:32.29 | robinetd | rww: That's because you're smarter than the average bear. |
| 20:32.35 | ompaul | rww: you've always been brilliant :) |
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| 20:36.18 | unkmar | robinetd: I don't know that I can help. My interfaces and wpa is setup very different. |
| 20:37.01 | unkmar | I maintain a wpa_supplicant.conf file and load it using wpa-roam. |
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| 20:47.02 | iugrina | what is a good software to check digital signatures of pdfs? |
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| 20:48.56 | ompaul | iugrina: what do you mean "check digital signatures" |
| 20:49.13 | ompaul | md5sum - gpg keys ? |
| 20:49.36 | agaran | ompaul: there is some kind of digital signatures that can be attached/embeded into pdf file, |
| 20:49.38 | ompaul | OCR of barcodes |
| 20:51.04 | ompaul | http://www.labnol.org/software/sign-pdf-documents/9333/ that - or the adobe crack |
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| 20:59.44 | spal | Is remote file inclusion disabled in PHP for Debian? |
| 20:59.57 | spal | I have allow_url_fopen = On allow_url_include = On, Why then <?php include "http://cotpi.com/include/util.txt" ?> doesn't produce any output? |
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| 21:02.57 | cusco | oops |
| 21:03.53 | agaran | should we respond now with . .. and other entries?;> |
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| 21:33.50 | file-exists-p | I still have my bash ^C weird problem, anybody to help ? |
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| 21:40.39 | tvm | file-exists-p: only if you describe your problem and ask. |
| 21:41.50 | file-exists-p | tvm: http://www.reddit.com/r/bash/comments/l567p/very_weird_c_behavior/ |
| 21:41.57 | file-exists-p | tvm: a bit long to explain here |
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| 21:42.52 | sencha_ | could someone tell me where debian keeps the scripts it uses to build packages? |
| 21:42.58 | file-exists-p | svm: I absolutely not understand what is going on .... |
| 21:43.07 | file-exists-p | tvm sorry |
| 21:43.09 | file-exists-p | svm ^^ |
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| 21:43.25 | tvm | hmm. |
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| 21:44.35 | AthomIk | hello |
| 21:44.39 | file-exists-p | tvm: weird, no? |
| 21:44.46 | tvm | yes. |
| 21:45.08 | tvm | this is most likely some bash specific quirk. |
| 21:45.12 | file-exists-p | yes |
| 21:45.36 | file-exists-p | I remembered having the same problem under 5.0 |
| 21:45.40 | file-exists-p | (debian I mean) |
| 21:45.55 | file-exists-p | anyway |
| 21:45.58 | file-exists-p | strange stuff |
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| 21:48.13 | tvm | file-exists-p: does this happen in plain console ? |
| 21:48.21 | file-exists-p | nope |
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| 21:48.49 | file-exists-p | I mean, I never work long enough in console |
| 21:48.52 | file-exists-p | so maybe it would happen |
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| 21:49.10 | file-exists-p | but if it does happen in X, and I switch to console, it does not do it there |
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| 21:50.40 | tvm | hmm. |
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| 21:54.23 | tvm | file-exists-p: you should file a bug report, i don't see this anywhere |
| 21:54.43 | file-exists-p | tvm: but I do not know how to reproduce it |
| 21:54.56 | file-exists-p | tvm: and I have no idea where the bug is ... xterm ? x ? bash ? tty ? |
| 21:55.03 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: Actually, that's pretty normal. |
| 21:55.12 | file-exists-p | jhu: what is normal ? |
| 21:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: If bash isn't "listening" and doesn't interpret the control sequence, it's displayed instead. |
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| 21:55.46 | file-exists-p | jhu: but why isnt'it listening ? |
| 21:55.48 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: Has to do with the termcap difference between an xterm and the actual console. |
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| 21:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: Well, sleep? |
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| 21:56.16 | file-exists-p | jhu: ??? if I run sleep 3 and then ^C, it interrupts the sleep |
| 21:56.24 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: Or something else that causes it to stop accepting input, like a hung or busy process, or just one that hasn't returned yet and didn't fork. |
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| 21:56.42 | file-exists-p | jhu: no, I mean that I can not interrupt ANY process anymore |
| 21:56.48 | file-exists-p | jhu: basically ^C does not work anymore |
| 21:56.56 | file-exists-p | jhu: never, not for any process |
| 21:56.57 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: What happens if you do a reset? |
| 21:57.00 | file-exists-p | jhu: just prints ^C |
| 21:57.05 | file-exists-p | jhu: nothing changes |
| 21:57.10 | file-exists-p | jhu: stty sane does not help neither |
| 21:57.14 | file-exists-p | jhu: trap shows nothing |
| 21:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: I mean use the reset command. |
| 21:57.28 | file-exists-p | jhu: yes, I understood. reset doesnot help |
| 21:57.35 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: It's a lot like how arrow keys are not always accepted. |
| 21:57.41 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: What keyboard layout? |
| 21:57.47 | file-exists-p | jhu: US |
| 21:57.54 | file-exists-p | jhu: thinkpad, US keyboard |
| 21:57.59 | file-exists-p | jhu: but it usually works |
| 21:58.07 | agaran | file-exists-p: does that happen after displaying (via cat or something) some binary junk? |
| 21:58.11 | file-exists-p | jhu: it works always, and SOMETIME it stops to work |
| 21:58.14 | file-exists-p | agaran: no |
| 21:58.23 | file-exists-p | agaran: and it does it in *new* xterms too |
| 21:58.43 | file-exists-p | agaran: if I notice this in a bash, from that point all new bash do it |
| 21:58.49 | file-exists-p | agaran: even in other xterms, or rxvt |
| 21:59.07 | agaran | file-exists-p: ok, just asking.. so most likelly i would say X keyboard mapping gets altered or something like that |
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| 21:59.38 | file-exists-p | agaran: and still shows ^C^C^C^C ??? |
| 21:59.43 | tvm | but the actual ^C gets printed, but the bash just doesn't interprets it the way it should |
| 21:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: Which release? |
| 21:59.49 | file-exists-p | jhu: squeeze ? |
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| 22:01.52 | windparadise | hllo, pls dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot returns command not found error |
| 22:01.57 | windparadise | what is the correct command? |
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| 22:05.49 | windparadise | any answer pls? |
| 22:06.49 | file-exists-p | I am bothering people in #bash, seems more adequate |
| 22:06.52 | file-exists-p | thx for your help |
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| 22:09.42 | windparadise | hello, pls anyone with me pls? |
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| 22:11.15 | agaran | windparadise: maybe you dont have build-essentials installed? |
| 22:12.12 | windparadise | agaran: which one is build essentials, and how do i install it ? |
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| 22:12.55 | agaran | windparadise: you need dpkg-dev, i checked it via apt-file |
| 22:13.15 | agaran | (apt-file search <filename> once you have updated apt-file bases can tell what package contains given file) |
| 22:13.27 | windparadise | agaran: so should I run apt-get install dpkg-dev ? |
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| 22:13.50 | agaran | windparadise: i think so |
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| 22:19.59 | windparadise | agaran: that works, |
| 22:20.03 | windparadise | but which package is this ? |
| 22:20.05 | windparadise | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5) po-debconf |
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| 23:00.36 | dmbaturin | Hi! I'm using squeeze and I have a little trouble. My motherboard has kicked the bucket and I had to replace it with Gigabyte DX10. Everything went fine but sound, I don't hear anything when attempt to play a file with mplayer or something. I do see snd_intel_hda in lsmod: http://pastebin.com/288nbj47 |
| 23:00.53 | dmbaturin | What do I miss? |
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| 23:09.58 | AthomIk | dmbaturin: use you hdmi connector ? |
| 23:10.18 | AthomIk | aplay -l for sound card list |
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| 23:11.05 | AthomIk | aplay -D hw:0,0 /path/to/wav.wav for test a card, you see number in aplay -l |
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| 23:11.46 | AthomIk | here i have sound on hp speak on hw:0,0 and hdmi tv on hv:2,9 for exemple |
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| 23:12.17 | dmbaturin | AthomIk: No, analog jacks. |
| 23:12.26 | dmbaturin | Let me paste aplay. |
| 23:14.02 | AthomIk | i don't use pulseaudio, only alsa, base drivers in wheezy |
| 23:14.10 | dmbaturin | http://pastebin.com/NgL92Tyw |
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| 23:14.42 | tvm | dmbaturin: double checked the mixer volumes ? |
| 23:14.54 | AthomIk | dmbaturin: try aplay -D hw:0,0 /path/to/wav.wav and set a good path for a wav file |
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| 23:15.46 | AthomIk | ha ok, ressource is busy |
| 23:15.57 | AthomIk | humm close all vlc and other sound player |
| 23:16.01 | AthomIk | before |
| 23:16.30 | AthomIk | have you try alsamixer ? |
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| 23:17.12 | dmbaturin | AthomIk: Killed smplayer, same output. Yes, I tried alsamixer, shows only "master" level and doesn't let me adjust it. |
| 23:18.11 | AthomIk | have you tried without pulseaudio, you can stop this ? is a server |
| 23:18.37 | AthomIk | dmbaturin: try aplay -D hw:0,1 /path/to/wav.wav and set a good path for a wav file |
| 23:18.42 | simonlnu | lsof /dev/snd/ |
| 23:19.16 | simonlnu | if it exits non-zero then you're golden ;p |
| 23:19.20 | dmbaturin | AthomIk: Interesting. When I killed pulseaudio (couldn't stop it properly via init script), aplay could play a wav. |
| 23:19.38 | simonlnu | yes. it occupies the devices. |
| 23:20.03 | simonlnu | aplay is alsa... needs access to the h/w... |
| 23:20.35 | AthomIk | is important pulseaudio, and why ? |
| 23:20.48 | dmbaturin | Set alsa as output device and could here sound there as well. |
| 23:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: It solves problems that most people will never have. |
| 23:21.06 | dmbaturin | AthomIk: No clue, I'm just a network engineer and don't know too much about sound :) |
| 23:21.17 | simonlnu | no, not really. |
| 23:21.35 | simonlnu | only for apps that need it, which tend to be gnome-ish. |
| 23:22.03 | dmbaturin | Interesting that with my previous motherboard I didn't have any sound until I installed pulseaudio and after I did it started to work. |
| 23:22.35 | dmbaturin | Well, I look like a lamer and I actually is a lamer when it comes to multimedia stuff. |
| 23:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | It allows some fancy redirection and manipulation of the path the sound takes, like playback on a different server, or different levels for different programs that don't have internal volume controls (which most do). |
| 23:22.42 | AthomIk | dmbaturin: yes, sure, i am a systeme admin and have see the sound probleme because i have 2 output |
| 23:22.52 | AthomIk | on hp speak and hdmi tv |
| 23:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | dmbaturin: Yeah, solves a few problems, creates a lot more. |
| 23:23.47 | dmbaturin | Ok, thanks a lot! |
| 23:24.12 | dmbaturin | Are there some documents explaining how sound in linux works? |
| 23:24.42 | AthomIk | alsa is complex exist web site more and more option etc |
| 23:24.54 | AthomIk | exist #alsa i think |
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| 23:27.45 | dmbaturin | Hhm. When I choose alsa backend in VLC, it doesn't help for some reason. |
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| 23:29.06 | dmbaturin | NM, works after process restart. |
| 23:31.40 | AthomIk | alsa is easy, create a .asoundrc in home directory for user config, see google for this |
| 23:31.54 | dmbaturin | AthomIk: Thanks, sure I will. |
| 23:31.58 | AthomIk | with this i have one user on hdmi and one on hp |
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| 23:35.56 | AthomIk | yes i have a nice dual seat debian :) |
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| 23:57.48 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 23:58.14 | babilen | TrueDD: night |
| 23:58.14 | poisonbit | and to the bots |
| 23:58.26 | TrueDD | night babilen |
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| 23:58.40 | TrueDD | poisonbit, what I'm not |
| 23:58.56 | TrueDD | have a good night |
| 23:59.27 | poisonbit | :) good nights all |
