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| 00:13.38 | heavenquake | running squeeze as a desktop, with my regular user all terminals start in / rather than ~. A home is configured, since I can do "cd" and jump directly to my home folder. |
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| 00:14.13 | heavenquake | and echo $HOME gives me /home/heavenquake as it should |
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| 00:14.57 | somiaj | heavenquake: did you run startx in / |
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| 00:15.34 | heavenquake | somiaj: I installed the graphic desktop option using netinst, and it automatically set up GDM and GNOME to start on boot, so I wouldn't know. |
| 00:15.56 | somiaj | heavenquake: terminals open from the cwd of their parent shell, so it could be gdm isn't setting $HOME correct for that. |
| 00:16.30 | heavenquake | echoing $HOME gives me the correct output, so how do I check/correct htat? |
| 00:16.54 | somiaj | heavenquake: I don't use gdm, but if you log into $HOME just fine from a console (Ctrl-alt-f1) its the parent process launching the terminals |
| 00:18.59 | heavenquake | somiaj: logging in from TTY1 put me in ~ just fine. It's not something I want to fiddle with for an hour to get to work, so is there some global bashrc I can configure to run "cd /home/heavenquake" on all terminal startups? I'm the only user on this machine |
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| 00:23.42 | heavenquake | somiaj: nevermind, i found that it still executes my .bashrc and .profile just fine(for some reason), so I just put cd $HOME in there, and it works now. Thanks for your time. |
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| 00:29.46 | somiaj | heavenquake: yea for some reason the xserver/gdm isn't properly setting its cwd to your $HOME. I couldn't tell you why though. |
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| 00:33.02 | kripz | sudo seems to say alot of programs cannot be found and i have to change to root to execute commands? |
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| 00:33.27 | internat | kripz: use the full path |
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| 00:33.45 | kripz | internat, can i go back to the old behaviour? |
| 00:33.50 | internat | if your just doing "sudo shutdown" shutdown is in /usr/sbin, which isnt in your path. |
| 00:34.00 | internat | old behaviour? |
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| 00:34.17 | kripz | internat, i use to be able to just type sudo shutdown |
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| 00:35.45 | internat | i didnt know there had been a change. |
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| 00:36.11 | kripz | happened on 3 boxes so far, i suspect its my path variables or something |
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| 00:40.30 | ksk | kripz: me and some friends had this effect, too |
| 00:40.42 | ksk | but it has changed(back) again i think |
| 00:40.43 | kripz | ksk, did you figure it out? |
| 00:41.34 | ksk | im afreaid i reinstaled the corresponding machine. but with the same debian release - problem was not there |
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| 00:44.14 | kripz | ok found a fix, change file /etc/sudoers Defaultssecure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
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| 00:47.01 | shanepardue | If an application is complaining of a failed outbound tcp or udp connection and I've flushed iptables, the problem is at the router, correct? |
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| 01:19.52 | courpse | Is it discouraged to install a 3.0.4 kernel on squeeze? |
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| 01:34.18 | somiaj | courpse: You could compile your own with make-kpkg. Or get 2.6.39 from backports if you want a more modern kernel, but one that is already compiled in a debian pacakge |
| 01:34.57 | courpse | yeah, But, will it break much? |
| 01:35.21 | courpse | Using a modern kernel i mean. |
| 01:36.08 | somiaj | it shouldn't. 2.6.39 runs just fine and 3.0.4 is really just 2.6.40.4 renamed |
| 01:36.21 | courpse | oh right, coo coo. |
| 01:36.31 | somiaj | as in the deveolpment model hasn't changed |
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| 01:36.54 | somiaj | I'd suggest just gettting 2.6.39 from backports unless you know the new module/driver you need was introduced after. |
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| 01:37.29 | courpse | Yrah, i don;t know if it was after or not, but im using 2.6.32-5-amd64, and its not n here. |
| 01:38.06 | somiaj | In most cases the backported one should be fine. |
| 01:38.22 | courpse | Coo coo, ta. |
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| 01:41.53 | kzman | hi, i need some help |
| 01:42.16 | kzman | i installed nouveau driver and seem it broke the gnome |
| 01:42.57 | somiaj | how? What video card? |
| 01:43.14 | MrHatter | when i run rsync and pipe it to send an email, it sends the email before it has finished, presumably because rsync incurs 3 threads when it runs, how could i make the mail sending happen when rsync has finished ? |
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| 01:43.19 | un214 | I found it necessary to purge nouveau |
| 01:43.24 | un214 | (hardware problems) |
| 01:43.37 | Riviera | MrHatter: how does your command look like? |
| 01:43.40 | kzman | somiaj, it is a nvidia |
| 01:44.08 | somiaj | kzman: I mean what nvidia card. |
| 01:44.40 | kzman | somiaj, a gforce mx 4000 |
| 01:45.06 | somiaj | MrHatter: rsync && foo -- will only run foo after a sucessful exit rsync |
| 01:45.39 | somiaj | kzman: you should be fine. dmesg, /var/log/Xorg.0.log give any warnings/errors? Also what is broken about gnome? |
| 01:46.40 | MrHatter | Riviera and somiaj, thx i will try what somiaj suggested |
| 01:47.11 | shanepardue | i'm running into failed tcp and udp outbound connections..i've flushed iptables, is the home router to blame? |
| 01:47.31 | Riviera | MrHatter: well, I cannot say that that makes much sense if "foo" would be the command that should read rsync's output. |
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| 01:47.51 | kzman | somiaj, fonts are small, and I can not change the icon theme |
| 01:48.37 | somiaj | kzman: fonts being small could be a dpi setting. Not sure why it the nouveau driver will be in the way of changing an icon theme |
| 01:49.50 | somiaj | MrHatter: as Riviera poited out if you want the output of rsync in the email, you may need to place it in a tmp text fil in the middle, rsync > /tmp/output && mail_foo |
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| 01:50.10 | MrHatter | riviera, ok thx, this is what i am doing so far : i made .sh file which contains this : su user -c 'rsync -avz --delete userr@x.x.x.x:/storage/ ./backup' | tee ./logs/backup.txt |
| 01:50.10 | MrHatter | mail -s "file backup" user@user.com.au < ./logs/backup.txt |
| 01:50.38 | Riviera | ... which still would not make much sense, because using && only would send the email if rsync was successful, |
| 01:50.50 | Riviera | which surely is the least interesting case for having an email report :) |
| 01:51.19 | MrHatter | so if rsync is unsuccesful i would want stderr as well ? |
| 01:51.37 | Riviera | MrHatter: sorry for the confusion, I was only referring to using && |
| 01:52.27 | MrHatter | && will wait until rsync has finished though ? so I could add 2>&1 to the log creation ? |
| 01:52.46 | Riviera | MrHatter: there's nothing wrong with your command, mail will only be executed after the su command finished (which only will terminate when rsync terminates) |
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| 01:53.12 | Riviera | MrHatter: && has no benefit over using command1; command2 or |
| 01:53.14 | Riviera | MrHatter: command1 |
| 01:53.15 | Riviera | MrHatter: command2 |
| 01:53.45 | Riviera | MrHatter: so, nevermind that; the problem anyway appears to be something else. What makes you think that rsync is still running when mail is executed? |
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| 01:54.18 | MrHatter | riviera, hmm, i am getting multiple mails for the one job, which are showing the partial runs of rsync |
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| 01:55.56 | Riviera | MrHatter: in this case, please show your whole script :) (maybe in a pastebin) |
| 01:56.16 | lfs | Any suggestions on how to back up Lenny before doing upgrade? cp command? tar command? or something else? |
| 01:57.14 | lfs | I have portable hard drive. |
| 01:57.31 | somiaj | lfs: a lot depends on your setup. But rsync can copy everything onto your portable harddrive. Just make sure you have an unixlike file system on it |
| 01:57.56 | lfs | I have Vista backed up on this hard drive |
| 01:58.20 | somiaj | lfs: you could create a unix like filesystem on a large file on the drive and copy everything into that. |
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| 02:00.01 | somiaj | but you will be limited by the file size limit of the filesystem on the drive. |
| 02:00.51 | MrHatter | Riveria, thx for your help, the script is pretty basic, this one here is the one that sent multiple emails : rsync -av --delete /storage/ /storage1/backups/daily | tee /var/log/dailybackup.txt && mail -s "onsite daily backup" support@support.com.au < /var/log/dailybackup.txt |
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| 02:01.46 | MrHatter | riviera, it sent about ten times, with partial logs in it |
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| 02:03.29 | lfs | rsync is for remote machine |
| 02:04.18 | somiaj | lfs: no, rsync syncs file systems, it can be locally to another harddrive or to a remote machine. |
| 02:04.27 | somiaj | lfs: rsync can just sync over ssh |
| 02:05.04 | Riviera | MrHatter: and how does the content of the mails look like? |
| 02:05.24 | Riviera | MrHatter: different parts of the same rsync invocation? |
| 02:05.24 | un214 | the glowing green of free electrons under a microscope |
| 02:06.31 | MrHatter | riviera, yes just little chunks of the same run |
| 02:07.32 | MrHatter | lfs, rsync is great, you can mirror filesystems over ssh or locally, it only mirrors the changes in the file, not the entire file. so perfect for backup up over the net. |
| 02:07.41 | Riviera | MrHatter: That's probably then a result of how the mail command handles your input |
| 02:07.44 | MrHatter | or locallay |
| 02:07.54 | lfs | I think creating linux file system on hard drive makes things too hard |
| 02:08.38 | somiaj | lfs: you need to copy the file system somewhere, you could just use 'dd' and put the whole copy of the filesystem on the harddrive (provided you can create files big enough) |
| 02:09.11 | lfs | I have one one thousand gigs on storage device |
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| 02:09.27 | lfs | only two 250 gig hard drives |
| 02:09.39 | Riviera | MrHatter: would using mutt instead of mail be an option? |
| 02:09.42 | lfs | But I have a bunch of crap I know I don't need |
| 02:09.49 | somiaj | lfs: how much do you need to backup. Do yo uhave more than your root filesystem you need to backup? |
| 02:09.55 | MrHatter | riviera, i will try it and see |
| 02:10.31 | CrazyGir | trying to run virtualenv through virtualenvwrapper.sh fails, though I don't quite understand why. I would appreciate any suggestions/guidance towards debugging this further. here is my (re)installation of virtualenv and wrapper.sh, then trying to run it: http://dpaste.com/630542/ |
| 02:10.56 | Riviera | MrHatter: echo "rsync finished with exit code $?" | mutt -s "onsite daily backup" support@support.com.au -a /var/log/dailybackup.txt |
| 02:11.00 | CrazyGir | this is on debian squeeze with python 2.6 and virtualenv{wrapper} installed via pip, not apt |
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| 02:11.41 | lfs | I think I just want /home and maybe /root |
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| 02:12.01 | MrHatter | riveria, ok thx i will give it a go |
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| 02:12.21 | lfs | I think if the upgrade fails I will just reinstall from scratch so I don't care about configuration I guess. |
| 02:12.27 | somiaj | lfs: so you just want to back up your data not your actual os? |
| 02:12.48 | lfs | I think so, I haven't thought it all through though |
| 02:12.56 | MrHatter | lfs, you can mount the ntfs drive on your linux box then tar up the entire system and save it as afile |
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| 02:13.44 | lfs | It mounted automatically |
| 02:14.01 | lfs | But do I have to be root to get all of /home? |
| 02:15.05 | somiaj | lfs: is /home on its own partition? Unless your user can already read all of /home, root is just to be safe. |
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| 02:31.17 | karlpinc | MrHatter: But using tar on an ntfs drive won't save the ntfs metadata. (I've not been following so I don't know whether he needs to restore to ntfs.) |
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| 02:32.10 | somiaj | karlpinc: more backup nix filesystem on an external drive. |
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| 02:33.18 | adminewb | squeeze is 6.0.3 now is it not? where would there be a summary of purpose of the point release? |
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| 02:34.11 | karlpinc | adminewb: There's something in the debian-announce mailing list archives. Find it via debian.org. |
| 02:35.33 | adminewb | karlpinc thanks |
| 02:35.51 | somiaj | adminewb: its just a collection of all of the security/bug fixes since 6.0.2 -- the system is still frozen. |
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| 02:36.24 | adminewb | no release of install images expected then |
| 02:36.35 | somiaj | the install images will be updated as well |
| 02:36.40 | somiaj | or have been. |
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| 02:38.55 | karlpinc | adminewb: But the old install images will still work. They'll just need to download more packages from the security team during the install. (Assuming you do a netinstall.) |
| 02:40.11 | Mr_Brown | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.44 | Mr_Brown | even in the backport from lenny it does not work |
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| 02:52.46 | BlueProtoman | Anyone? |
| 02:52.58 | BlueProtoman | Can anyone help me with this? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=83065&p=481488#p481488 No one in #linuxmint-help has been able to help me. |
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| 02:58.53 | rww | BlueProtoman: #debian doesn't support Debian derivatives, and #ubuntu doesn't support Ubuntu derivatives. Please use your distribution's support channel, and bear in mind available support options when choosing a distribution in the future. |
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| 02:59.32 | BlueProtoman | Sue me, I bet this has happened to someone before. |
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| 03:08.46 | rubin110_ | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to 3.0 after doing a dist-upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy. |
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| 03:08.54 | rubin110_ | I'm running into some horible issues. |
| 03:08.57 | rubin110_ | http://pastebin.com/yFej3rH1 |
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| 03:13.20 | Flechmen | Hey, where is uams_dhx.so supposed to come from when compliling netatalk? |
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| 03:13.42 | sm1 | BlueProtoman: that did happened to me once , i'll post to you in #linuxmint-help |
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| 03:14.35 | un214 | amusing things happen when placing multiple primary sources in sources.list |
| 03:14.49 | Big_Brother | is there a program which will convert a PDF to a text file while keeping some formatting (bullets, code, spacing) ? |
| 03:15.02 | un214 | grey matter |
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| 03:19.08 | somiaj | I found python-pdfminer from apt-cache search. Seems it can extract text and even write into formast such as html |
| 03:21.29 | CrazyGir | hiya! in some experimentation with pip, I've noticed that python packages installed via pip don't get usable permissions/ownership to allow regular users the ability to access these packages |
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| 03:22.02 | CrazyGir | I've generally figured out what files need additional perms, but how could I fix this more for the long haul (so as to not require the perm updates) |
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| 03:22.46 | CrazyGir | pip typically installs to /usr/lib/pythonX.Y/{dist,site}-packages/<package> |
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| 03:23.25 | CrazyGir | Big_Brother: as a format, PDF doesn't make that easy :) |
| 03:23.45 | CrazyGir | you are better off trying to use viewer's abilities to copy/paste |
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| 03:24.57 | Gale0n | Hey, can someone help me with a locales problem |
| 03:25.18 | somiaj | CrazyGir: what primisions need to be changed? Do you also need to link the bins or include some other dir in your $PATH? |
| 03:25.20 | Gale0n | Why do I get this error: |
| 03:25.20 | Flechmen | Hey, I'm following these instructions here and the uams_dhx.so module isn't building https://we.riseup.net/debian/afp-server |
| 03:25.21 | Gale0n | /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:25.22 | Gale0n | /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:25.22 | Gale0n | /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:25.32 | somiaj | Gale0n: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:25.35 | nuscire | Hi, there. Is it possible to download mails *more than once* to different computers from POP service of an gmail account by using fetchmail? If I download them from one computer, the gmail would say there's no mail for another computer. |
| 03:25.39 | Gale0n | somiaj: I did |
| 03:25.55 | somiaj | Gale0n: did you generate the ones you want and then choose a default? |
| 03:25.58 | Gale0n | I got that error |
| 03:26.02 | Gale0n | Yes |
| 03:26.13 | CrazyGir | somiaj: I basically need to fiddle with world perms |
| 03:26.17 | Gale0n | en US and en ZA |
| 03:28.01 | somiaj | Gale0n: is /etc/default/locale set to something you generated. It just is saying no such file, seems to me you are missing the locales you are requesting |
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| 03:29.06 | somiaj | CrazyGir: only thing I could think of is see if you could add a script to change the primisions automatically after they are installed. but I don't know pip at all. |
| 03:29.11 | Big_Brother | CrazyGir: :( |
| 03:29.53 | Gale0n | somiaj: I have this in there: |
| 03:29.55 | Gale0n | # File generated by update-locale |
| 03:29.55 | Gale0n | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:30.07 | CrazyGir | hrm |
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| 03:34.03 | karlpinc | nuscire: Yes, it should be possible if you configure fetchmail to not delete from the server after downloading. |
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| 03:35.36 | Gale0n | somiaj: Should I make those files executable ? |
| 03:35.51 | somiaj | Gale0n: no |
| 03:35.57 | Gale0n | :/ |
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| 03:36.13 | Gale0n | What else could I do ? |
| 03:36.31 | somiaj | Gale0n: provide us the output of 'locale' at paste.debian.net |
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| 03:37.30 | Gale0n | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/135141/ |
| 03:38.57 | nuscire | karlpinc: Yes, I configured fetchmail as so. But each time mails are downloaded, they are marked "read" in the server, thus will be skipped by a second retrieving. Someone suggests me using IMAP, but it's kind of slow than POP. |
| 03:39.01 | somiaj | well it seems the dir is /usr/lib/locale/af_ZA.utf8 while you are looking in af_ZA.UTF-8 -- that could be why it isn't finding it |
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| 03:39.38 | Gale0n | but |
| 03:39.48 | Gale0n | I set it to en_US UTF8 |
| 03:40.24 | fjordside | how to match *charging and remove everything after it? |
| 03:40.48 | Gale0n | Ah, now it has 0 errors on "locale" |
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| 03:42.33 | Gale0n | AWW YEAH |
| 03:42.40 | Gale0n | Thanks, somiaj :) |
| 03:42.44 | Gale0n | I appreciate ot |
| 03:42.45 | Gale0n | it * |
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| 04:07.04 | daniel-s | hi |
| 04:07.18 | daniel-s | I just did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 04:07.33 | daniel-s | and I noticed there are a larger number of packages to update than usual |
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| 04:07.51 | daniel-s | (the last time was 1 day earlier) |
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| 04:08.10 | daniel-s | when there is a major update would I notice it in my updates |
| 04:08.25 | daniel-s | I mean a major update of debian |
| 04:08.39 | mhall | Question on the kernel.org compromise. Is there a good way of verifying that a tbz2 I'd like to use wasn't made with bad source files? Not sure what to make of the whole thing. |
| 04:08.43 | daniel-s | or would those updates have been gradually sent out |
| 04:08.50 | rhenani | Hello guys I just installed the new version of JDK 7.0 but the thing is that when i do java -version it shows the old one |
| 04:08.58 | rhenani | how can i set up the new version? |
| 04:09.04 | mhall | rhenani: update-alternatives |
| 04:09.22 | mhall | rhenani: you have to update more than one to switch over a JDK though |
| 04:09.46 | mhall | rhenani: if you go through the list of all alternatives and just change the ones for JDK components, that's been the easiest way for me previously |
| 04:09.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | daniel-s: point update got pushed to the mirrors 15 hours ago |
| 04:10.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | mhall: ben hutchinson addressed this in a mail to debian-devel when the compromise happened, you might want to go and find the post in the list archive :) |
| 04:11.04 | mhall | ah, sweet, let me check that out |
| 04:11.55 | rhenani | mhall: well I tried doing this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-ubuntu-linux-install-configure-jdk-jre/ |
| 04:12.07 | voltagex | So, Eclipse is currently not in testing, is there anywhere I can raise a bug for it? |
| 04:12.14 | mhall | !ubuntu is not debian |
| 04:12.14 | dpkg | is not debian: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users. |
| 04:12.19 | voltagex | rhenani: uh oh, you mentioned the U word. |
| 04:12.22 | rhenani | mhall: go down to the part it says "setup enviroment variable" and it didn't work |
| 04:12.36 | mhall | voltagex: well said. :) |
| 04:13.44 | voltagex | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=eclipse shows good reasons, but checking that for XULRunner shows that no packages are waiting for it... |
| 04:14.28 | mhall | using distro copies of Eclipse has always resulted in Epic Fail for me |
| 04:14.53 | mhall | that's one of the few things I don't install with a package |
| 04:15.23 | rhenani | the thing is that if i do: java -version |
| 04:15.29 | voltagex | mhall: yeah but then wols will tell me off :P |
| 04:15.41 | voltagex | rhenani: are you using Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 04:15.46 | rhenani | java version "1.6.0_18" |
| 04:15.50 | rhenani | debian squeeze |
| 04:16.23 | rhenani | and if i do: /jdk1.7.0/bin/java - version |
| 04:16.29 | voltagex | rhenani: it's not a great idea to follow tutorials written for Ubuntu, then. |
| 04:16.39 | rhenani | java version "1.7.0" |
| 04:16.47 | rhenani | i want the new version running |
| 04:16.55 | rhenani | do i have to uninstall the old version |
| 04:16.56 | mhall | prepares to rsync a few TB from one old desktop to a new one |
| 04:17.08 | mhall | rhenani: I told you the command which can fix it |
| 04:17.11 | rhenani | ok |
| 04:17.12 | mhall | rhenani: Did you read the man page yet? |
| 04:17.12 | voltagex | rhenani: yes, so the default version of Java on your system is the old one, I think the script you're looking for is update-alternatives |
| 04:17.22 | voltagex | mhall: I'll leave you to it. |
| 04:17.27 | mhall | notices voltagex recommended the same command |
| 04:17.33 | mhall | Coincidence? I think not! |
| 04:17.47 | mhall | voltagex: Maybe if we both say the same thing as each other it will get through? :P |
| 04:18.04 | voltagex | mhall: I'm just hoping that if I answer more questions here I'll get my answers faster :P |
| 04:18.13 | mhall | voltagex: Often effective, as it turns out. |
| 04:18.30 | mhall | voltagex: However, yours might need an Debian Eclipse hacker |
| 04:18.39 | mhall | voltagex: It could be that they have a separate IRC for that |
| 04:19.20 | mhall | grabs the kernel with git to bypass any tarball pwnage |
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| 04:20.59 | voltagex | mhall: yeah, I'm learning all about the debian packaging system now. -_-. Worries me that xulrunner has disappeared without leaving a string of "this package depends on this, don't do that!" |
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| 04:21.22 | mhall | voltagex: I have historically had the best luck with unstable instead of with testing |
| 04:21.38 | mhall | voltagex: There was a time where testing was better many years back but these days I find the opposite |
| 04:21.54 | mhall | That being said there are days where dist-upgrading to unstable would torpedo 1/3 or 1/2 your box |
| 04:22.05 | mhall | Rsync is your friend |
| 04:22.08 | mhall | Use it wisely! |
| 04:22.10 | mhall | ;) |
| 04:22.24 | mhall | rsync + /dev/md is a really good move overall |
| 04:22.35 | voltagex | /dev/md? |
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| 04:22.41 | mhall | Linux SW raid |
| 04:22.44 | voltagex | also, the eclipse-maintainers mailing list is dead |
| 04:22.52 | mhall | that way you don't get Disk Fail |
| 04:22.53 | mhall | ;) |
| 04:22.56 | voltagex | last post May 2011 |
| 04:23.06 | mhall | but doesn't prevent removal or corruption |
| 04:23.11 | mhall | for that, rsync is the way to go |
| 04:23.26 | mhall | or any other decent backup utility |
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| 04:24.44 | rhenani | alright |
| 04:24.52 | rhenani | update-alternives-plus? |
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| 04:27.11 | voltagex | rhenani: man update-alternatives |
| 04:27.23 | rhenani | but it does not work |
| 04:27.24 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 04:27.30 | rhenani | it shows me the manual |
| 04:27.32 | ShapeShifter499 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.51 | rhenani | i need to write something else |
| 04:28.32 | voltagex | ShapeShifter499: not really a debian problem, but Asterisk can maybe do it. What you're actually looking for is called an "ATA" and it's a piece of hardware that lets you plug in an "old" phone into a VOIP system. |
| 04:29.10 | voltagex | rhenani: yes, the manual for update-alternatives will show you what to write |
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| 04:31.07 | ShapeShifter499 | voltagex, hmm |
| 04:31.34 | ShapeShifter499 | I got a vonage router for 2 bucks I thought I could do something with but nothing :/ |
| 04:31.41 | rhenani | voltagex: this is what i found in a website i'm following: http://paste.debian.net/135151/ |
| 04:32.25 | rhenani | the thing is that i don't know what to type instead of:update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun |
| 04:32.53 | NickMind | what is the best way to see disk usage on one drive? i use du -h --max-depth=1 but the command return values for network shares as well. |
| 04:33.26 | voltagex | rhenani: I already said it's a bad idea to follow a tutorial written for Ubuntu |
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| 04:35.08 | rhenani | voltagex: what do you recomend me to do just tell me the exactly comand that's it i've tried a lot of thins and they don't work please |
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| 04:35.55 | voltagex | rhenani: the answer is on http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx which I found by googling update-alternatives java debian |
| 04:36.26 | voltagex | rhenani: on that page search for update-alternatives |
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| 04:37.36 | voltagex | also, the script that your tutorial talks about is in the package "java-common" |
| 04:37.53 | voltagex | so you've done something "interesting" to install Java. |
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| 04:39.32 | voltagex | NickMind: if you don't mind installing a console app, ncdu is pretty good, or df -h will give you an overview |
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| 04:40.03 | rhenani | voltagex: there is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/lib/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java nothing to configure. |
| 04:41.36 | voltagex | rhenani: how did you install Java 7? |
| 04:42.35 | boudiccas | how do i open a rar file please on squeeze? i've tried with ark and it said that it couldnt open as it hadnt got unrar, but i couldnt install that |
| 04:42.51 | rhenani | voltagex: I built it |
| 04:42.53 | voltagex | boudiccas: why couldn't you install unrar? |
| 04:43.10 | boudiccas | apt-get couldnt find it |
| 04:43.13 | voltagex | rhenani: well you'll need to work out how to tell the alternatives file to find it. |
| 04:43.27 | voltagex | boudiccas: add non-free to your sources.list, run apt-get update and try again |
| 04:43.56 | voltagex | boudiccas: if you're not sure how, pastebin your sources.list |
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| 04:47.11 | voltagex | boudiccas: Java 7 is not in Squeeze unfortunately |
| 04:47.46 | boudiccas | voltagex; i'm not interested in java 7, just unrar :) |
| 04:48.49 | voltagex | boudiccas: oops wrong person!! sorry |
| 04:48.52 | Big_Brother | what happened to java 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? |
| 04:49.00 | Big_Brother | afaik, java is 1.6 atm. |
| 04:49.11 | voltagex | Big_Brother: just the way they number it - 1.6 = 6, 1.7 = 7 |
| 04:49.24 | boudiccas | voltagex; http://pastebin.com/ypTGnBwg |
| 04:49.30 | Big_Brother | voltagex: crappy idea. |
| 04:49.57 | voltagex | boudiccas: ok yeah, so see after it says main on each line? |
| 04:50.07 | boudiccas | yes |
| 04:50.09 | voltagex | boudiccas: add non-free after each one. |
| 04:50.16 | boudiccas | k,, ta |
| 04:50.27 | voltagex | boudiccas: save file, run apt-get update && apt-get install unrar |
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| 04:54.46 | rhenani | voltagex: how woudl you recomend to do that |
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| 04:57.45 | voltagex | rhenani: I don't know |
| 04:57.56 | mhall | ; |
| 04:57.59 | mhall | :P |
| 04:58.17 | voltagex | rhenani: why do you need 7 instead of 6? |
| 04:58.33 | voltagex | mhall: hey, I don't feel like learning about the update-alternatives system today |
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| 04:59.41 | mhall | it's really about as easy as fixing a ham sandwich |
| 04:59.49 | mhall | and i explained it before how to do it |
| 04:59.51 | mhall | so meh |
| 04:59.52 | mhall | :) |
| 05:00.18 | mhall | i got other stuff to worry about, like deadly liver disease |
| 05:01.10 | voltagex | :s |
| 05:02.24 | mhall | no joke, really true :) |
| 05:02.42 | voltagex | any recommendations for a terminal-emulator that's better than gnome-terminal? |
| 05:02.46 | voltagex | mhall: sorry to hear that man |
| 05:03.02 | rhenani | voltagex: it's the newest version |
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| 05:04.23 | mhall | i'm planning to make light of it somehow, maybe making a group of fundraisers for the liver foundation called the bad livers, or something such |
| 05:04.27 | mhall | :) |
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| 05:05.21 | voltagex | rhenani: just because it's the newest version doesn't mean you need to install it... |
| 05:05.39 | voltagex | mhall: count me as a donator |
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| 05:08.15 | rhenani | maybe this is what you mean?? |
| 05:08.18 | rhenani | http://www.java7developer.com/blog/?p=55 |
| 05:08.26 | rhenani | take at look to that website |
| 05:08.57 | lfs | are there any good GUI based backup tools? |
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| 05:11.11 | voltagex | rhenani: no, I'm saying either a - learn about update alternatives and add your binary to it, or b - use Java 6, because it's fine for 90% of uses. |
| 05:11.50 | voltagex | rhenani: but yes, the update-alternatives line on that page is correct - just use your path instead of the one written there |
| 05:14.41 | rhenani | Ok |
| 05:14.42 | rhenani | but look |
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| 05:15.17 | xagan | now that's alot of users O_O |
| 05:15.26 | lfs | The program with the portable hard drive installed |
| 05:15.45 | lfs | I wonder if it will work. IT is a Seagate portable hard drive. |
| 05:15.52 | rhenani | I think this parth: http://paste.debian.net/135156/ isn't necessesary?? |
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| 05:17.57 | ham5 | my 3monitor xiernama setup, when i click a dialog to resize it gets huge spans the 3 monitors all the sudden, metacity, nvidia, any ideas? |
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| 05:18.20 | ham5 | oh, not all just some like gnome-terminal, |
| 05:18.42 | ham5 | ahh, just the version 3 apps |
| 05:18.59 | rhenani | voltagex: i want to add the new java to my path man and that's it |
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| 05:19.54 | voltagex | rhenani: yes, the tutorial you linked will do that. |
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| 05:31.52 | rhenani | voltagex: i'll continue tomorrow thanks man |
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| 05:52.55 | lfs | After spending the last several hours researching I think bacula is the best backup tool out there. |
| 05:53.05 | lfs | Any thoughts? |
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| 05:59.01 | george | can someone provide some moc help here? |
| 06:01.35 | Tramp | lfs: I personally like backuppc - but ymmv |
| 06:02.55 | valdyn | lfs: it maybe is, but its also archaic and convoluted |
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| 06:09.23 | voltagex | looks like FGLRX gets broken by the current xorg in testing, is there any way I can go back to the correct xorg? |
| 06:11.12 | george | how can I get the song playing to use the filename like at the top instead of mp3 tag? http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5408/mocf.png |
| 06:11.42 | george | the mp3 tags are all messed up |
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| 06:13.43 | umadbro | double click it |
| 06:14.08 | george | umadbro, that didn't do anything, are you trying to troll? :P |
| 06:14.12 | umadbro | nope |
| 06:14.14 | umadbro | heh |
| 06:14.22 | george | well, didn't do anything hmm |
| 06:14.24 | umadbro | download the song and use mplayer to play it |
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| 06:14.34 | umadbro | mplayer didn't check the file extension to play the song |
| 06:14.36 | george | umadbro, I do have it downloaded |
| 06:14.43 | george | what? |
| 06:14.51 | umadbro | apt-get install mplayer |
| 06:15.27 | george | if you look at the screenshot, I'm just trying to get the player to show the filename instead of mp3 tag, it shows up correctly in the list, but where it says playing, it's wrong |
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| 06:17.18 | lfs | What is this archive manager thing? |
| 06:17.41 | umadbro | domain unregistered |
| 06:18.50 | umadbro | lfs, serious? |
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| 06:21.48 | lfs | Will that thing work for backups? |
| 06:22.05 | umadbro | compressing files for backup, yes |
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| 06:25.23 | lfs | backuppc looks good |
| 06:25.32 | umadbro | deja dup |
| 06:25.42 | umadbro | lightweight and fast IMO |
| 06:25.55 | lfs | What is the dpkg command that tells if a package is installed? |
| 06:26.01 | lfs | I forgot it. |
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| 06:26.58 | somiaj | lfs: dpkg -l lists all installed packages. You can parse that. or just dpkg -l <pkgname> |
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| 06:29.35 | teratorn | lfs: apt-cache policy will list the installation status |
| 06:30.01 | teratorn | thats what I always use - but there might be something more concise |
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| 06:44.25 | marc7 | anyone running djbdns on squeeze? |
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| 06:53.11 | somiaj | might as well ask your actual question. There is a debian fork installable via apt-get. |
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| 06:55.53 | somiaj | dbndns is the package name. |
| 07:01.08 | CVirus | What is /etc/sekl ? |
| 07:01.10 | CVirus | skel* |
| 07:01.15 | voltagex | well that wasn't fun. ATI users on Testing, you may want to put xserver-xorg on hold. |
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| 07:02.12 | somiaj | CVirus: used for the creation of new users home directory |
| 07:02.36 | somiaj | voltagex: use the free drivers. (: |
| 07:03.15 | CVirus | somiaj: is it safe replace my /root/.bashrc with /etc/skel/.bashrc ? |
| 07:03.35 | voltagex | somiaj: something I was doing required fglrx, I just don't remember what |
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| 07:04.18 | somiaj | voltagex: I've been happy with the free driver, but I only want 2D acceleration. |
| 07:04.52 | somiaj | CVirus: why not just edit your roots .bashrc to add what you want. The $PATH is different for users than root so that may be the only incovience of doing that |
| 07:05.17 | somiaj | CVirus: also a different prompt is just nice so you don't get confused when your root. (: |
| 07:05.18 | CVirus | somiaj: thanks |
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| 07:06.07 | CVirus | somiaj: I want to use a ready-made .bashrc to enable coloring for my root shell |
| 07:07.09 | umadbro | search for it |
| 07:07.43 | CVirus | umadbro: copied my gentoo one :-D |
| 07:07.50 | somiaj | CVirus: what coloring. For a colored prompt copy the PS1= line, for alais for things like ls, copy those over. You can copy the whole thing if you like, just check your $PATH |
| 07:07.53 | umadbro | nice |
| 07:08.15 | umadbro | that user@host(red):~(blue)$ |
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| 07:08.44 | CVirus | weird .. it doesn't show @host |
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| 07:08.55 | umadbro | because it's from a gentoo system |
| 07:09.29 | umadbro | add \h |
| 07:09.40 | CVirus | will do |
| 07:09.41 | CVirus | thanks |
| 07:10.23 | umadbro | if ["$color_prompt"=yes]; then PS1=<...> i see color codes there, how to activate color_prompt? |
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| 07:11.18 | CVirus | umadbro: force_color_prompt=yes |
| 07:11.26 | CVirus | err |
| 07:11.31 | CVirus | umadbro: color_prompt=yes |
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| 07:11.57 | umadbro | just figured |
| 07:12.06 | umadbro | there's a commented force_color_prompt=yes |
| 07:12.20 | umadbro | ah |
| 07:12.21 | umadbro | got it |
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| 07:15.03 | umadbro | Bash prompt color codes is at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html |
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| 07:16.18 | somiaj | you could also just remove the if then statmenet and just set PS1 = ... if you don't need an easy way to turn it on/off |
| 07:17.59 | umadbro | zsh is still the best for me though |
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| 07:20.42 | simonlnu | umadbro: oh-my-zsh on github |
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| 07:21.09 | umadbro | what's that? |
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| 07:21.28 | simonlnu | plugins, themes |
| 07:21.31 | umadbro | 404 |
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| 07:21.59 | simonlnu | search for it |
| 07:22.22 | p3rror | hello |
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| 07:22.40 | p3rror | when i've try to run google earth on my Debian i get a error message |
| 07:23.47 | hid3 | Good morning. Is there any way to find out how many open file descriptors are used by the system in total, at the moment? |
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| 07:34.35 | jokar | hello all |
| 07:34.38 | jokar | how are you? |
| 07:34.45 | jokar | i wanna config my honeyd |
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| 07:34.51 | jokar | what should i do? |
| 07:35.10 | jokar | i use virtual box for virtualization windows xp in debian |
| 07:35.32 | jokar | i want analyst a virus |
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| 07:36.20 | jokar | my Vbox network card is vboxnet0 and it ip addr is 192.168.56.1 |
| 07:36.34 | jokar | and in windows this ip addr is 192.168.56.110 |
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| 07:39.39 | jokar | anybody can you help me? |
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| 07:48.06 | stack | hello, does anyone have experience with curlftpfs? I can't understand if it is slow or is the connection.. |
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| 07:56.40 | Bushmills | curl, loading user space file system drivers, tends to be slower than kernel loadable modules |
| 07:56.46 | Bushmills | fuse, i mean |
| 07:57.08 | Bushmills | afaik, curlftpfs is a fuse driver |
| 07:57.12 | stack | Bushmills: mh yes I supposed that but it tends to be terribly slow :) , is there some alternative |
| 07:57.28 | stack | ? |
| 07:57.49 | Bushmills | for http or for ftp? |
| 07:57.58 | stack | Bushmills: ftp |
| 07:58.26 | Bushmills | you should be able to automount an ftp account directly |
| 07:58.43 | Bushmills | autofs seem to support remote ftp |
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| 07:59.13 | Bushmills | never tried that, though. only noticed that in the sample config |
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| 08:00.57 | Bushmills | is it just for transferring files, or do you need an actual mount point for remote file access? |
| 08:00.59 | stack | Bushmills: isn't that also fuse? |
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| 08:01.18 | stack | Bushmills: mounting that would be great |
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| 08:02.24 | Bushmills | because many file manager support accessing remote volumes through ftp. mc, nautilus, konqueror all do. |
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| 08:10.49 | superlinux | hi all. in gnome i get administrative tools like users and groups: "configuration cannot be loaded". what should I do? |
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| 08:25.07 | Bushmills | do administration from shell, maybe? |
| 08:25.57 | Bushmills | in the long term it will suck to depend on such desktop environment specific tools to do user and group admin. |
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| 08:35.48 | deego | Wow, topic looks months old. 6.0.3 got released today. |
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| 08:41.26 | hid3 | deego: yesterday. |
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| 08:42.15 | hid3 | And it's not months old. It's exactly one week old. Last Sunday I was poking everyone to change it to reflect the lenny 5.0.9 release |
| 08:42.45 | hid3 | #debian should hire more responsive admins ;-) |
| 08:43.17 | xingu | hid3: or stop paying the existing ones ;) |
| 08:43.39 | hid3 | delay the payments might also help |
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| 08:43.44 | hid3 | especially on Fridays |
| 08:43.49 | xingu | halve their bonus I think |
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| 08:44.44 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 08:44.45 | hid3 | sadly, but debain.org looks also outdated... |
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| 08:44.53 | *** topic/#debian by babilen -> squeeze (6.0.3) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.9) /msg dpkg 5.0.9 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 08:44.58 | hid3 | *debian I meant |
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| 08:45.19 | babilen | hid3: I want a hot chocolate now :) |
| 08:45.30 | hid3 | babilen: what about OFTC?! ;-D |
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| 08:46.08 | hid3 | I really wanted some pizza yesterday evening... Nah, I feel abd today :) |
| 08:46.23 | xingu | takes to babilen to de proeverie in bruges |
| 08:46.23 | hid3 | *bad, I meant. I forgot how to type too... |
| 08:46.45 | hid3 | !squeeze |
| 08:46.46 | babilen | xingu: yum |
| 08:46.46 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.3>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 08:47.06 | hid3 | hey, I thought it was released on the 5th of Feb, not the 6th |
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| 08:49.44 | CVirus | I'm using Konsole and a custom .bashrc .. how can I set the title of the konsole window to "root" in case if I su ? |
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| 08:58.36 | godfrey_ | is there any chinese here? |
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| 08:59.07 | Woet | no, we don't have those here |
| 08:59.11 | Woet | remind me how that's relevant to debian? |
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| 09:00.02 | godfrey_ | So i needn't use english to talk about something |
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| 09:00.41 | babilen | !zh |
| 09:00.41 | dpkg | Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
| 09:00.58 | Woet | oh, it does exist? it isn't mentioned at http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups |
| 09:01.17 | babilen | godfrey_: The channel is on irc.oftc.net though |
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| 09:01.28 | godfrey_ | thank you |
| 09:01.44 | babilen | Woet: It is mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Official_Debian_IRC_channels |
| 09:02.05 | courpse | Um... never experienced this before, go to install debian from squeeze DVD, and after the install menu, no matter what i choose, it sounds like laptop is tryign to load something, but stops and stays o a black screen |
| 09:02.18 | Woet | babilen: without a description though, so you won't find it when looking for 'china' or 'chinese' |
| 09:02.30 | Woet | babilen: only if you look for 'zh', and if you look for that, you would already know that's the channel :p |
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| 09:04.57 | babilen | Woet: Let the ops of #debian-zh know (/msg chanserv access #debian-zh list) |
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| 09:10.18 | hid3 | cool, debian.org site got updated too |
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| 09:15.28 | superlinux | ممنوع استعمال كلمة "طيز" بكل اشكالها |
| 09:15.45 | superlinux | ممنوع استعمال كلمة "طيز" بكل اشكالها اصبØÂت مراقبة |
| 09:16.12 | LukeSkywalker | what? |
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| 09:16.45 | babilen | superlinux: You probably want #debian-ar or #debian-lb (or speak English here) |
| 09:16.57 | LukeSkywalker | #debian-lb for lybia? |
| 09:17.03 | superlinux | sorry guys! |
| 09:17.06 | Freduardo_ | looks pretty though |
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| 09:17.22 | babilen | Lebanon I guess |
| 09:17.58 | superlinux | LukeSkywalker, I am managing many channels @ once with an eggdrop bot |
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| 09:18.33 | superlinux | I missed omitting #debian from /amsg |
| 09:18.34 | LukeSkywalker | ask it globally, don't mention my name |
| 09:18.51 | superlinux | bye |
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| 09:18.59 | sauvin | amsg is generally frowned upon; it's taken as massive spam. |
| 09:19.19 | LukeSkywalker | huh? |
| 09:19.26 | LukeSkywalker | #debian |
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| 09:33.02 | Fudge | not every channel wants to see stuff you have to say loL |
| 09:33.32 | ompaul | Fudge: fudging the issue again? |
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| 09:33.52 | Fudge | pardon ompaul ? |
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| 09:34.13 | ompaul | I didn't see the previous comment, so to me it was humourous |
| 09:34.37 | Fudge | oh, someoen talking about /amsg'ing stuff |
| 09:34.44 | Fudge | else sending same message to all cahnnels |
| 09:35.15 | ompaul | ah, please sir how can I spam you and your network ;-) |
| 09:35.23 | spal | Would someone like to reproduce this issue: gvim hangs if you try to :open sftp://example.com/ ? |
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| 09:37.14 | ompaul | ,versions gvim |
| 09:37.16 | judd | No package named 'gvim' was found in i386. |
| 09:37.35 | ompaul | spal: so I think you might need to change that a littl |
| 09:38.12 | spal | ompaul, gvim command comes with vim-full I guess. |
| 09:38.50 | ompaul | ,versions vim-full |
| 09:38.51 | judd | Package: vim-full on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 |
| 09:39.01 | ompaul | ah, that would be why I am not seeing it |
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| 09:39.30 | Fudge | ompaul :D |
| 09:39.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | gvim is provided by vim-gtk or vim-gnome iirc |
| 09:40.29 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: I don't really want the overhead of gnome |
| 09:40.32 | ompaul | ooch |
| 09:40.38 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: you got your phone handy? |
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| 09:41.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: i can have it in a minute or two |
| 09:41.45 | ompaul | please check pm before you go |
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| 09:42.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | roger |
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| 09:42.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you don't want the gnome overhead, try -gnome |
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| 09:46.57 | shelldrop[] | hey guys, hopefully somone can help, i want to do anet install of debian squeeze, but i dont have direct internet acdess. only through mobile broadband.... which sucks ... i tried to download network manager and compile it however i get error messages saying my init.d tool is too old. does anyone have any expiereice with this problem :S, or can someone let me know how to get network manager on a minimal debian net install, kind regards :) |
| 09:50.01 | ompaul | spal: you should be useing usernanme etc |
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| 09:50.22 | aidalgol | Wow, he didn't even wait five minutes for a reply. |
| 09:50.45 | spal | ompaul, The current username I am logged in with is used automatically if it isn't specified while sftp-ing or ssh-ing. |
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| 10:03.14 | Bushmills | users who don't work could be encouraged by whipping them |
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| 10:03.57 | Bushmills | ehm.... wrong channel |
| 10:04.30 | Bushmills | was a kind of "how do i make my users work" question :) |
| 10:05.14 | babilen | ... sure ;) |
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| 10:07.51 | ChesterX | hey everyone, I threw out the network-manager (by mistake obviously ^^). And after installing it again I realized I don't have the gnome panel applet anymore to connect, hence I got the manager but so far I can not connect to my wifi... (I tried Wifi-radar but that doesn t seem to work properly). Does anyone know which package I have to install to get that sweet applet back? Thank you :-) |
| 10:08.09 | babilen | ChesterX: Just run it with "nm-applet" |
| 10:08.35 | babilen | ChesterX: You can, for example, use the ALT-F2 dialogue |
| 10:09.22 | ChesterX | babilen, I ran it via the terminal and it worked just fine :-D thank you so much! (nice short-cut the alt-f2, didn't know this one) |
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| 10:10.42 | godfrey_ | what can i do under debian with assembly language? Can anyone give some advice? |
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| 10:11.14 | Bushmills | yasm or nasm you'd want to install, if doing asm for x86 |
| 10:12.13 | Bushmills | yasm often preferred as nasm had to struggle with a number of bugs throughout its life, which yasm didn't manifest afaik |
| 10:12.37 | godfrey_ | i have to write a program... |
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| 10:12.48 | Bushmills | ah. you'd use an editor to do that |
| 10:13.42 | godfrey_ | i mean what should write...the program can do what? |
| 10:14.10 | Bushmills | the program will do what you write. what you should write depends on what the program should do. |
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| 10:16.25 | godfrey_ | i just need to do that to show i have spent some time learning AS... |
| 10:17.06 | Bushmills | nobody can spend the time you have to spend on it on your behalf. |
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| 10:17.59 | Bushmills | better /j #asm for some inspiration with that |
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| 10:18.54 | godfrey_ | i'm learning reverse engineering and i need asm... |
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| 10:19.27 | Bushmills | had you asked me, i'd have said that you're chatting on IRC |
| 10:20.10 | babilen | godfrey_: What do you want us to do? We can and will not tell you what to write just as we can and will not tell you how to live your life or what colours of socks you are allowed to wear :) |
| 10:20.21 | spal | haha. friends often ping me and ask what I am doing. The only true answer can be, "I am talking to you." offtopic but it reminded me of this. :) |
| 10:20.31 | Bushmills | maybe we could tell him what to eat for dinner? |
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| 10:21.04 | godfrey_ | i just want to get some advice for the first not so simple program |
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| 10:21.21 | spal | godfrey_, not sure if this is useful for reverse engineering but I find gcc -S foo.c and analyzing the assembly code a fun activity. |
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| 10:22.58 | godfrey_ | i need to read the code but the problem now is that i have to write some asm demos...i'm a student... |
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| 10:24.19 | cakeb0ss | hah staying on topic can someone tell me what VPS Reseller to go with preferably one that has debian as OS option... so many offer RHEL/centOS |
| 10:24.21 | ompaul | godfrey_: you need to stop talking on IRC and go and read it and do it, have a nice day now! |
| 10:24.36 | cakeb0ss | I prefer debian and apt-get style package management |
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| 10:24.50 | Bushmills | an output routine, which allows you to specify any radix, and prints a string, by converting the binary representation of a number, is maybe a good start. often useful when debugging, later on. |
| 10:24.52 | ompaul | cakeb0ss: If only there was a way to search the internet |
| 10:24.57 | cakeb0ss | but i mean this is for offering webhosting and shell accounts so it doesnt really matter i suppose.... |
| 10:25.10 | cakeb0ss | Oh I had been searching several hours... looking for options |
| 10:25.13 | cakeb0ss | err Opinions. |
| 10:25.20 | ompaul | cakeb0ss: If only there was a way to search the internet |
| 10:25.37 | cakeb0ss | Just wanted to hear others input. If they had experience. |
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| 10:27.34 | babilen | cakeb0ss: gandi.net, linode, .... http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
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| 10:29.06 | godfrey_ | ompaul:it's time for rest now |
| 10:30.49 | cakeb0ss | babilen: thank you very much |
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| 10:33.10 | ompaul | godfrey_: to dream of mov instructions? |
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| 10:34.48 | godfrey_ | ompal: maybe... |
| 10:36.41 | godfrey_ | ompaul :...i'm sorry to type ompa...l |
| 10:37.15 | Bushmills | now the wrath of ompaul is all over you |
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| 10:38.12 | godfrey_ | ?? |
| 10:39.18 | Bushmills | he has been tearing people into pieces for much less |
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| 10:52.31 | ChesterX | hi, what's the difference between the packages: unifont and tff-unifont. From what I understand the latter is the TrueType font but the former says it installs the ttf and the PCF, what's that? |
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| 10:56.51 | Bushmills | unifont is a superset of ttf-unifont, and includes the dependency on ttf-unifont |
| 10:57.50 | ChesterX | Bushmills, I got so far ^^ but what's the pfc (google gives me some very strange answers...)? |
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| 10:59.04 | ChesterX | I am interested in it because I need to render quite a few asian characters (ttf-unifont is already installed) but some still can't be read |
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| 11:00.15 | Bushmills | ah. pcf, not pfc you might mean. pcf fonts are a different type of fonts than ttf fonets |
| 11:00.17 | Bushmills | fonts, even |
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| 11:01.20 | Bushmills | X11 was able to use pcf type fonts long before it supported ttf fonts |
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| 11:25.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | well It is as i feared my network interfaces are not communicating between guest and host on kvm. |
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| 11:26.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | guess we will have to debug tonight heh |
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| 11:31.45 | ultrav1olet | I have two sound cards. How can I make input of a second soundcard a default input for all ALSA applications? |
| 11:31.50 | ultrav1olet | I don't have PA (Pulse Audio), nor I intend to install it |
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| 11:40.50 | dgrf | Hello,can somebody give me a guide for setting up postfix mail server along with dovecot and a webmail interface? |
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| 11:42.02 | oobe | dgrf, no |
| 11:42.21 | Bushmills | dgrf: the default config is a good start |
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| 11:43.11 | Bushmills | consider dovecot and postfix two seperate services - that eliminates the "along with", thereby simplifying the task to set up either |
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| 11:52.11 | littlegiraffe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:53.38 | oobe | LittleFool, you can use // it will appear as / |
| 11:53.39 | oobe | / |
| 11:53.41 | oobe | see |
| 11:55.05 | umadbro | heh he quit. |
| 11:57.46 | aidalgol | Is is possible to use Gnome3 without pulling in experimental packages yet? |
| 11:58.00 | oobe | oh lol I used auto complete on a different nick |
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| 11:59.40 | Bushmills | !lol |
| 11:59.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:00.15 | jelly-home | dgrf: workaround.org has decent configuration guides for middle-sized installations with a couple dozen domains. If you only have a single domain you may want to keep it simpler |
| 12:01.08 | oobe | !heh |
| 12:01.09 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
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| 12:01.28 | jelly-home | Bushmills: what should we use if we want to denote the fact something made us laugh out loud? |
| 12:01.43 | Bushmills | i tend to *grin* |
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| 12:02.08 | Bushmills | what you use is up to you |
| 12:02.11 | oobe | what should we do if lol is looked down upon by elitist snobs? |
| 12:02.26 | dirtycookie | hello, i wanted to know if it is possible to run cpu intensive processes on a graphics card, if so how? |
| 12:02.31 | jelly-home | dpkg, lol =~ s/ and makes you look like an AOL user// |
| 12:02.31 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, jelly-home |
| 12:02.31 | Bushmills | hide in a corner and sulk, maybe? |
| 12:02.37 | eternity13 | Why pressing Home or End buttons inside ssh only prints ~ instead of doing it's function? How to fix that? |
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| 12:04.58 | oobe | dirtycookie, for video playback nvidia chips have vdpau and ati has VDU |
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| 12:05.24 | oobe | graphics cards use their processing power for video only solutions AFAIK |
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| 12:06.11 | oobe | my processor stays on 800Mhz using power saving while playing back HD video |
| 12:06.48 | oobe | using vdpau while if I were using another playback profile it would be clocked at the full rate of 3100Mhz |
| 12:06.49 | jelly-home | dirtycookie: short answer -- only if they're explicitely made to work on GPUs |
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| 12:07.33 | dirtycookie | oobe: i want to use ffmpeg for conversion and i wanted to know if it is somehow possible to save time |
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| 12:08.11 | oobe | no there is a card that is designed for stuff like that though video compression processing etc. but its high end |
| 12:08.21 | oobe | I dont remember its name |
| 12:09.16 | dirtycookie | ah ok so graphics card around 200Euros from ati or nvidia won't be able then? |
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| 12:09.22 | jelly-home | dirtycookie: best ask in the ffmpeg channel |
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| 12:10.37 | dirtycookie | jelly-home: thought it would be a OS issue? |
| 12:11.00 | oobe | dirtycookie, actually now days nvidia CUDA would make it possible to do this however I am not sure if the support exists |
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| 12:11.38 | dirtycookie | oobe: ok, ill check the ffmpeg channel |
| 12:11.44 | oobe | its actually possible to use your GPU for things like bitcoins and calculating complex problems |
| 12:12.08 | jair | hello guys, I run into a little issue with Java, but first I am not sure I understand what is up with the "update-alternatives"? |
| 12:12.16 | jair | what does that command do exactly? |
| 12:12.45 | jelly-home | !tell jair about alternatives |
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| 12:18.09 | jair | jelly-home: thank you so much that was very helpful, although you may be able to help me understand something, this will work if I have the debian version of java-sun installed (e.g apt-get install java-sun-6 yara yara yara) but in this case I downloaded the tar.gz java from oracle site, and the location in my system for it is: /jdk.1.0.7/ |
| 12:18.52 | jair | jelly-home: do I still use update alternatives to set up the profile for single or all users in the debian system, also add it to the $PATH? |
| 12:19.37 | jelly-home | jair: alternatives do not apply then, they're only a packaging construction |
| 12:19.40 | Iridos | no... everything you do outside the packaging system you do outside the packaging system |
| 12:19.51 | jair | jelly-home: that's what I tought |
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| 12:20.02 | Iridos | judd, versions java-sun-6 |
| 12:20.05 | judd | No package named 'java-sun-6' was found in i386. |
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| 12:20.25 | StumpSex | Snardbafulator is a faggot that deserves to get raped . Call him out in #defocus ! |
| 12:20.28 | StumpSex | Thank you! |
| 12:20.44 | Iridos | judd, versions sun-java6-jre |
| 12:20.45 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1; sid/non-free: 6.26-3; wheezy/non-free: 6.26-3 |
| 12:20.52 | jelly-home | !ops StumpSex |
| 12:20.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: StumpSex |
| 12:21.07 | StumpSex | I would love to shit in th emouth of jelly-home |
| 12:21.21 | StumpSex | and then piss in his asshole |
| 12:21.32 | jair | jelly-home: so the only issue I have here is: this is the version of java I have installed: http://paste.debian.net/135200/ |
| 12:21.40 | Iridos | judd, versions sun-java6-bin |
| 12:21.41 | judd | Package: sun-java6-bin on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1; sid/non-free: 6.26-3; wheezy/non-free: 6.26-3 |
| 12:22.01 | jelly-home | jair: uninstall it? |
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| 12:23.08 | jair | I want to set my shell or debian or linux to use as default java this one => http://paste.debian.net/135201/ |
| 12:23.18 | jair | jelly-home: will that be the best way? |
| 12:23.27 | jair | jelly-home: uninstall it? |
| 12:23.59 | jelly-home | jair: to evade accidental usage, yes. You will also need to set correct PATH and probably JAVA_HOME |
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| 12:25.58 | _Dave123_ | how can I get to a cd rom in terminal of debian? |
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| 12:28.44 | Bushmills | "get"? as in "download"? |
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| 12:30.15 | Iridos | I thought get to as in "cd into" |
| 12:30.59 | Iridos | unfortunately the answer to this is "depends" |
| 12:32.13 | Bushmills | how about "mount it" :) |
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| 12:32.59 | Iridos | might be automounted already! |
| 12:33.30 | Iridos | jair.... gorn with the wind |
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| 12:33.56 | Iridos | jelly-home, actually I wonder if the alternative system doesn't just look at all available binaries (that it can find) |
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| 12:35.37 | Iridos | jair_, actually... can't hurt to try running update-alternatives... I wonder if it's not also looking in PATH or "common binary paths" for alternatives |
| 12:35.49 | Iridos | that would make just as much sense as just parsing package contents |
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| 12:36.13 | jelly-home | Iridos: it doesn't "find" anything, the package register their own paths in the alternatives system |
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| 12:36.32 | Iridos | jelly-home, how? |
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| 12:37.04 | jelly-home | Iridos: man update-alternatives |
| 12:37.04 | matrixiumn | hello |
| 12:37.17 | jelly-home | Iridos: ( --install ... ) |
| 12:37.17 | Iridos | jelly-home, reading that for the last 10 minutes |
| 12:37.21 | Iridos | coincidently |
| 12:37.33 | Iridos | just got there :P |
| 12:38.03 | jelly-home | Iridos: easier to read a postinst of a package using it |
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| 12:38.26 | Iridos | nobody preventing you from doing that as well for your custom packages |
| 12:38.34 | Iridos | but might cause confusion with the packages |
| 12:39.13 | jair | I am sorry i got disconnected I am going to brake some glasses at the comcast offices, their network suck! |
| 12:39.39 | jelly-home | [14:23] <jelly-home> jair: to evade accidental usage, yes. You will also need to set correct PATH and probably JAVA_HOME |
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| 12:39.56 | seidell | is there any way to install debian sucsessfully with only wireless connection? i downloaded the full cd and installed, and when i was done the my wireless internet wasent working, so i tried to write sudo apt-get install wireless-tools, and it asked me to put inside the cd and press enter, but it dident work because it dident found the cd!! |
| 12:40.37 | syserr0r | wow. just wow |
| 12:40.38 | jair | jelly-home: I got that :) |
| 12:40.50 | seidell | i also tried to download wireless-tools package and install it manualy but it dident work |
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| 12:41.13 | jair | jelly-home: so you got that I use the icetea6 package from java as plug in in my internet browsers |
| 12:41.35 | jelly-home | nope |
| 12:41.48 | jelly-home | jair: well, yes, right now |
| 12:41.52 | Chris64 | hi |
| 12:41.57 | nkuttler | seidell: sure it's possible, but just get a cable. much less pain |
| 12:42.09 | jair | jelly-home: that is why i don't want to unistall the java I have installed |
| 12:42.18 | seidell | i dont have access to cable |
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| 12:42.33 | matrixiumn | OH GOD |
| 12:42.57 | jair | jelly-home: I am trying to set the path for Java because I will be developing android apps and I want eclipse and the rest of the environment to use the latest version of Java |
| 12:43.05 | matrixiumn | guys when I install debian on a usb memory stick does all the data have to be destroyed? |
| 12:43.21 | Chris64 | is it possible to use two preseed files for debian automatic installation? (like one for base install and a second one with configuration for a subset of the machines?) |
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| 12:44.34 | jelly-home | matrixiumn: the usual process of making a new filesystem usually leads to old data being destroyed, yes |
| 12:44.53 | matrixiumn | NOOOO |
| 12:44.56 | matrixiumn | damn it |
| 12:45.06 | oobe | heh |
| 12:45.18 | oobe | nah lol would work much better there |
| 12:45.26 | seidell | is there any way to install debian sucsessfully with only wireless connection? i downloaded the full cd and installed, and when i was done the my wireless internet wasent working, so i tried to write sudo apt-get install wireless-tools, and it asked me to put inside the cd and press enter, but it dident work because it dident found the cd!! |
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| 12:45.39 | matrixiumn | also when you boot the debian install wizard from a usb memory stick is the screen meant to look like it's about to vomit on you? |
| 12:45.57 | jelly-home | seidell: we read that the first time. Did you use the unofficial installer with all the firmware images? |
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| 12:46.23 | jelly-home | matrixiumn: please provide a screenshot. |
| 12:46.24 | seidell | no where can i get it? |
| 12:46.55 | matrixiumn | jelly-home: how? it's on a boot screen |
| 12:47.00 | jelly-home | !tell seidell about firmware images |
| 12:47.22 | jelly-home | matrixiumn: well. a camera or phone with a camera might do the trick |
| 12:47.33 | seidell | ? |
| 12:47.55 | jelly-home | seidell: did you get a message from the bot in private (in a separate tab)? |
| 12:48.02 | matrixiumn | well it looks like random flashing |
| 12:48.03 | seidell | no |
| 12:48.10 | matrixiumn | I think it's fine though |
| 12:48.17 | jelly-home | seidell: oh well. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 12:48.17 | umadbro | dpkg, oh dpkg.. |
| 12:48.18 | dpkg | hey now, i'm just a bot.. go to #debian if you want some real conversation. ;) |
| 12:48.28 | umadbro | he's there |
| 12:50.24 | seidell | jelly-home will my wireless work with that one? |
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| 12:51.07 | seidell | i have Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g |
| 12:51.07 | jelly-home | seidell: if you have a wireless card that needs firmware, it will work a bit better but I don't know if using those is going to be enough. |
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| 12:51.41 | waqs | hi all, i'm running debian on a hp micro server and want to install a low profile raid controller |
| 12:51.52 | waqs | can you guys recommend one that works with debian out the box |
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| 12:55.53 | johskar | waqs: adaptec, promise and 3ware works for me atleast |
| 12:57.22 | jair | jelly-home: I found this blog => http://www.shinephp.com/install-jdk-7-on-ubuntu/ |
| 12:57.50 | jair | jelly-home: explains ubuntu/debian solution I did not know I could do that with update-alternatives |
| 12:58.25 | jair | Iridos: this is a good blog, thank you for jumping in with the idea of using update-alternatives! |
| 12:58.37 | jair | Iridos: here is how I will make the fix http://www.shinephp.com/install-jdk-7-on-ubuntu/ |
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| 13:06.52 | jair | done! it works! I am all set with the java part :) |
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| 13:25.09 | Lunastyx | plop |
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| 13:25.27 | Lunastyx | I have debian installed on a Toshiba Satellite A300 laptop |
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| 13:26.44 | Lunastyx | But when booting the screen, after a few boot's messages, change and become unreadable |
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| 13:28.51 | Lunastyx | I've successfully install openssh-server without seeing nothing on the screen |
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| 13:29.42 | guk | I did a serial install once |
| 13:29.56 | guk | that's kinda cool 9600kbps you know how slow the debian text ui loads at that speed |
| 13:30.00 | guk | you can watch the curser draw |
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| 13:31.44 | Iridos | Lunastyx, try disabling framebuffer console |
| 13:31.57 | Iridos | I guess |
| 13:32.04 | Iridos | !tell Lunastyx about framebuffer |
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| 13:35.37 | Roybot | [squeeze] I want to install a newer version of transmission-bt, should I compile from source or get the deb from experimental? |
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| 13:37.52 | Lunastyx | Iridos: thx I'll try |
| 13:38.01 | babilen | ,versions transmission |
| 13:38.02 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.03-2; sid: 2.03-2.2; wheezy: 2.03-2.2; experimental: 2.33-1 |
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| 13:38.33 | babilen | Roybot: You *might* be able to backport the package from experimental. See "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on how to do that. |
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| 13:45.56 | Roybot | babilen: Thanks, unfortunately it seems like transmission is not available from squeeze-backports |
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| 13:53.11 | themill | ,checkbackport transmission --fromrelease experimental |
| 13:53.14 | judd | Backporting package transmission in experimental→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libevent-dev (>= 2.0), libnotify-dev (>= 0.7), qt4-linguist-tools, libnatpmp-dev (>= 20110808). |
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| 13:58.41 | Lunastyx | Iridos: In grub I pushed « e » and had fb=false video=vga16:off; and then press F10, put it doesn't change anything. Maybe is not the way to had boot option put I don't found how :/ |
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| 14:10.41 | qrq | What's difference between firefox and iceweasel apart from trademark etc? |
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| 14:12.35 | rypervenche | qrq: Nothing. |
| 14:12.40 | qrq | LOL |
| 14:12.55 | qrq | Sorry. |
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| 14:14.38 | matrixiumn | is it true that if I install debian on a usb memory stick that the data will be destroyed? |
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| 14:15.19 | rypervenche | matrixiumn: If you run it as a liveUSB, once you shutdown all of what you did during your session will be gone. |
| 14:16.56 | jelly-home | matrixiumn: did you not ask this at least once today? |
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| 14:19.06 | Wyzard_ | matrixiumn: Creating a bootable USB stick effectively formats it, so any files on it beforehand will be removed |
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| 14:19.53 | jelly-home | expects a second [14:44] <matrixiumn> NOOOO [14:44] <matrixiumn> damn it |
| 14:19.56 | Wyzard_ | qrq: Firefox was renamed to iceweasel solely to avoid violating Mozilla's trademark policy |
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| 14:21.37 | Wyzard_ | qrq: Mozilla fixes security issues by releasing new versions of Firefox; Debian backports the security fixes to the version of Firefox that's in the current stable release, so the result is that Debian distributes something slightly different than Mozilla's official copy of that version |
| 14:21.59 | qrq | Wyzard iceweasel 7 is in backports? |
| 14:22.20 | Wyzard_ | qrq: Mozilla's trademark policy doesn't allow an unofficial modified version (even if the modification is just a security fix) to use the Firefox trademark, so Debian uses a different name for the whole thing |
| 14:22.34 | Wyzard_ | No idea; I haven't looked, but packages.debian.org can tell you |
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| 14:24.41 | matrixiumn | NOOOOO DAMN IT |
| 14:25.02 | Chris64 | again? |
| 14:25.04 | matrixiumn | what if i'm using UNetbootin? |
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| 14:26.09 | qrq | I cannot instal iceweasel 7 :D |
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| 14:26.28 | Wyzard_ | if it isn't in backports now, it'll probably be there eventually |
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| 14:27.10 | jelly-home | matrixiumn: probably the same, but ask unetbootin people for details of what it does in detail |
| 14:27.32 | matrixiumn | ok |
| 14:27.35 | qrq | Wyzard_ There is easier way :"P |
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| 14:40.28 | chriswaterguy | Is there a line command to show all empty directories? (No hidden files either). I just had a zip extraction error, and lots of crap in my home folder :-(. |
| 14:41.30 | chriswaterguy | Caused the problem by forgetting to click "recreate folders". What I'd really love is a way to "un-extract"... |
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| 14:42.14 | th0r | chriswaterguy: always work in a temp directory and then move later |
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| 14:45.29 | mns | how does one disable the touchpad without restarting X11 ? |
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| 14:50.29 | th0r | mns: you might try 'synclient TouchpadOff=1' |
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| 14:56.44 | Nirgal1 | http://www.debian.org/News/news <-- we lost the code name again (in French version too) |
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| 14:57.24 | ompaul | chriswaterguy: the only thing I can think to do is to extract it to a correct place, then to build a tree of all things that were not yours |
| 14:58.04 | ompaul | and use the ls -alr to delete the unzipped in full and then leave the one you extracted to a correct place |
| 14:58.32 | ompaul | chriswaterguy: that was a meta answer |
| 14:59.05 | jelly-home | Nirgal1: noooooo |
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| 15:09.39 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, what's the usual way to get CPU temperature these days? I used to just cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ but that appears empty now (on squeeze, 2.6.32) |
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| 15:15.18 | dieterd_ | (Zero_D...) I use "acpi -V" for this output. |
| 15:15.31 | eternity13 | Why pressing Home or End buttons inside ssh only prints ~ instead of doing it's function? How to fix that? |
| 15:15.44 | Zero_Dogg | dieterd_: aye, that one is empty in any host I try it on |
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| 15:16.16 | jelly-home | Zero_Dogg: which cpu? |
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| 15:16.39 | Zero_Dogg | jelly-home: dual core pentium 4 |
| 15:16.42 | dieterd_ | This works on my Atom, Via 7D but not on my P4. |
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| 15:17.38 | jelly-home | Zero_Dogg: didn't know they made dual-core p4 back in the day |
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| 15:18.20 | jelly-home | Zero_Dogg: were it a Core or Core 2 or newer series I'd ask whether coretemp kernel module was loaded |
| 15:18.22 | Zero_Dogg | jelly-home: hm, well, I suppose it could be hyperthreading that is fooling cpuinfo |
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| 15:19.14 | jelly-home | but you'll probably need to hunt for motherboard support with a p4 |
| 15:19.28 | jelly-home | support for lm_sensors that is |
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| 15:21.27 | Zero_Dogg | jelly-home: aye, I'm fairly sure it ought to have some support, as it's an older dell poweredge that's suppose to have been RH certified when it was first released. "acpi -V" doesn't list any thermal info on any machine I've got. AMD Phenom, AMD Opteron, Intel Core2. Has it changed or are cpu thermal monitoring just not that common these days? |
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| 15:24.53 | dieterd_ | <Zero_Dogg> On my P4 is the fan controlled by a pin from the CPU. |
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| 15:28.18 | mv-- | I need some help by updating a debian vserver with php5. I allready destroyd a installation because of the stupid suPHP. The vHost is using Confixx, I'd like to prefer to keep runnig it. |
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| 15:28.58 | mv-- | I tried id before with apt-get. Won't work as I wanted |
| 15:29.42 | mv-- | Moodle needs PHP 5.3.0 |
| 15:30.01 | mv-- | php -v |
| 15:30.01 | mv-- | PHP 5.2.17 (cli) (built: Jul 19 2011 07:58:52) |
| 15:30.14 | mv-- | php5 -v |
| 15:30.14 | mv-- | PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze3 with Suhosin-Patch |
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| 15:31.08 | mv-- | I'd like to use the current version ^^ how can I configure it? |
| 15:31.42 | mv-- | Which online manuel can you recommand me? |
| 15:31.54 | matrixiumn | bye |
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| 15:33.26 | Iridos | chrisw... |
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| 15:33.51 | adminewb | http://www.winehq.org/download/debian gives an impression that unstable sid is the only target system, because not enough formal testing has been done, even to graduate it to wheezy-testing; would it be reasonable to expect wine 1.3.x to build ok from source on squeeze? would multi-arch be a variable? |
| 15:34.23 | themill | mv--: for some reason, you have a /usr/bin/php that isn't from debian. |
| 15:34.57 | mv-- | no, I'dont have this folder |
| 15:35.11 | themill | mv--: /usr/local/bin/php then. |
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| 15:35.27 | mv-- | eighter |
| 15:35.32 | Iridos | how can you tell? |
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| 15:35.45 | themill | mv--: also, /usr/bin/php would not normally be used by the webserver for anything php. |
| 15:35.45 | mv-- | I checked it by ssh |
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| 15:36.51 | mv-- | no folder |
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| 15:37.07 | themill | mv--: what does "type -a php" output? |
| 15:37.14 | Fredxz | So what is holding back the Free Software Foundation from considering Debian as an entirely free operating system, the non-free repository maintained by the community? |
| 15:37.28 | mv-- | it's there /usr/bin/php |
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| 15:37.37 | mv-- | ähmm |
| 15:37.45 | mv-- | okey.. interessting |
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| 15:38.43 | mv-- | no, sure... it's a binary and no folder |
| 15:38.54 | mv-- | you're right |
| 15:38.58 | Wyzard_ | mv--: That's to be expected -- it's the PHP interpreter |
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| 15:39.09 | Wyzard_ | but not the one that'd be used by a webserver |
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| 15:40.37 | mv-- | since I used this command "apt-get install php5-common libapache2-mod-php5 php5-cli" |
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| 15:40.43 | mv-- | I got trobble |
| 15:41.50 | mv-- | php5-common was requried, for installing mod_php |
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| 15:42.13 | mv-- | Shouldn't I run it? |
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| 15:42.34 | oobe | dpkg: sit down |
| 15:42.35 | dpkg | oobe: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:42.50 | Iridos | judd, versions php5 |
| 15:42.52 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8-2; wheezy: 5.3.8-2 |
| 15:43.01 | Iridos | judd, versions php5-common |
| 15:43.01 | judd | Package: php5-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.8-2; wheezy: 5.3.8-2 |
| 15:43.35 | mv-- | ? |
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| 15:43.42 | themill | mv--: "some trouble" is a little vague. How about putting the entire output in a pastebin, and telling us where /usr/bin/php came from. |
| 15:43.46 | Iridos | mv--, well, up to now you haven't said what the problem really is, nor what version of Debian you're running |
| 15:44.18 | Iridos | all we know is that you're using a php version that is no currently in any debian repo |
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| 15:48.41 | mv-- | This is my log until I reinstalled the vhost: http://pastebin.com/BaNuTjaS |
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| 15:50.20 | mv-- | my host is running Debian Linux 6.0 |
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| 15:50.34 | mv-- | Linux 2.6.38-domU-v4 on x86_64 |
| 15:50.50 | babilen | mv--: You are using unsupported packages from third parties (of bad quality) -- Do you really expect us to support them? (i.e. dotdeb/webmin) |
| 15:51.19 | mv-- | webmin is my problem. it has it's own webserver |
| 15:51.33 | babilen | !webmin |
| 15:51.33 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 15:51.34 | mv-- | I need support for PHP5 and Apache |
| 15:52.42 | mv-- | ahh interessting. didn't know |
| 15:53.16 | babilen | !tell mv-- -about free whcp |
| 15:53.28 | babilen | mv--: A bunch of people just use SSH though ;) |
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| 15:53.43 | babilen | mv--: But we really can and will not support dotdeb and webmin. |
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| 15:54.30 | mv-- | I don't. I use my consol on MacOS X |
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| 15:54.46 | mv-- | I don't want any support for webmin |
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| 15:55.09 | mv-- | I just need help for a stupid PHP5 update |
| 15:55.10 | babilen | mv--: Why do you try to install it then? |
| 15:55.17 | ompaul | [16:51:19] <mv--> webmin is my problem. it has it's own webserver <<< trying to install it is getting support for it |
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| 15:55.25 | babilen | mv--: I have the feeling that I am missing the big picture here |
| 15:55.44 | ompaul | mv--: if it is not, I have seeing something very strange to misquote babilen |
| 15:56.26 | mv-- | ok, I don't see the correlation to my update issue. Can you explain it to me? |
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| 15:57.06 | babilen | mv--: If you look at your paste you'll see that you have a bunch of broken packages due to your webmin installation. |
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| 15:57.21 | joeoshawa | i am having major issues with my sound |
| 15:57.27 | mv-- | I'll remove it, so if you're guy's would help me than |
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| 15:58.10 | joeoshawa | i have removed all the sound packages and reinstalled alsa with no pulse but something is still pointing to pulse so i cannot open alsamixer |
| 15:58.13 | babilen | mv--: You've also install dotdeb packages (cf. line 396 for example) -- I am not sure what you are trying to achieve and what you expect us to do. |
| 15:58.44 | ompaul | mv--: recreate your server from scratch rather than clean it up and start from there |
| 15:58.56 | babilen | +1 |
| 15:59.04 | ompaul | mv--: you have put so much not debian in there and that has broken it |
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| 16:00.05 | mv-- | for info: this los is old. the installation of my current state ist completely new and untouched, except adding some Confixx useres. As I told you: vServer |
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| 16:00.14 | mv-- | log |
| 16:00.21 | ompaul | mv--: in your paste it says Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
| 16:00.31 | ompaul | mv--: also you were apt-getting lenny |
| 16:00.53 | ompaul | so you are not getting 6.0 - therefore I suggest you get your data off that box, kill it, start again |
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| 16:01.13 | mv-- | reminder: I have a new and untouchted installation. Everthing is fine except the PHP Version |
| 16:01.31 | ompaul | mv--: then why the paste? |
| 16:01.41 | mv-- | you're asked |
| 16:01.58 | ompaul | smashes his head against the desk |
| 16:01.59 | mv-- | This was my first try to update |
| 16:02.04 | joeoshawa | if you have a new and untouched install reinstalling would be no problem |
| 16:02.18 | joeoshawa | no data to lose |
| 16:02.26 | mv-- | fine. yeah |
| 16:02.41 | mv-- | no data to loss |
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| 16:02.46 | mv-- | lose |
| 16:03.03 | babilen | ompaul: head → desk indeed |
| 16:03.05 | ompaul | mv--: in which case apt-get install php5 works |
| 16:03.13 | joeoshawa | it would undo the changes and wham bam thank you mam everything works |
| 16:03.41 | joeoshawa | man if my issue were that simple |
| 16:03.45 | joeoshawa | damnit |
| 16:03.52 | babilen | mv--: Could you tell us once again what the problem with the actual box is you are talking about? What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 16:04.42 | mv-- | what do you mean? in which case? the vHost is running Confixx, that means PHP is still running. But with wrong version |
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| 16:05.00 | mv-- | PHP 5.2.17 |
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| 16:05.08 | mv-- | this is default |
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| 16:05.17 | babilen | ,versions php5 |
| 16:05.19 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8-2; wheezy: 5.3.8-2 |
| 16:05.40 | babilen | mv--: As you can see ^^^ it is not the default version in *any* stable Debian release. |
| 16:06.00 | joeoshawa | wow bad bad bad |
| 16:06.03 | mv-- | in my one of my hoster |
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| 16:06.40 | joeoshawa | you got packages from three different releases in there |
| 16:06.42 | ompaul | mv--: not our problem in that case, please ask them for support. |
| 16:06.56 | babilen | mv--: Ok, to get this straight: You have to machines which both run Debian. The first is not of interest here and the paste you gave us is from that one. The other runs Debian too (which release?), you haven't pasted anything from there and you want to upgrade php5. Is that more or less correct? |
| 16:07.09 | mv-- | Ok repeat: I'd like to update my version of PHP 5.2.17 to the current stable one. > 5.3 |
| 16:07.25 | babilen | mv--: Which release of Debian are you tracking there? |
| 16:07.27 | ompaul | mv--: on the machine you want to do this please do the following |
| 16:08.07 | Wyzard_ | mv--: If your current copy of PHP wasn't installed from a Debian package, you can't use Debian's package system to upgrade it |
| 16:08.13 | mv-- | ompaul: thank you, go watching TV. I'm flipping out after hours of testing.., I dont pay 50 EUR per hour |
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| 16:09.04 | Wyzard_ | If it was installed from some third-party unofficial Debian package, it might be OK to use apt to upgrade it |
| 16:09.15 | Wyzard_ | but you need to know what you *have* currently before you can figure out what to do next |
| 16:09.15 | ompaul | mv--: upload /var/logs/apt/history.log into paste.debian.net and your attitude really really works when people help you out of kindness # |
| 16:09.30 | babilen | Wyzard_: We can still not support this -- I am not even sure how mv-- managed to get hold of 5.2.17 |
| 16:10.15 | joeoshawa | umm ok then i will wait please let me know when someone can help me with my sound. (not being snide) |
| 16:10.20 | ompaul | mv--: and if you paid 100 euros you would not have hours of testing I guess |
| 16:10.25 | joeoshawa | thank you |
| 16:10.27 | babilen | mv--: Is my analysis above correct? How was your current version of PHP installed? Which Debian release are you tracking? |
| 16:11.12 | ompaul | joeoshawa: the only thing I can think of is that something on your machine is currently using the package which is why it won't die - anything running any audio at this time |
| 16:11.20 | mv-- | wait a sec |
| 16:11.36 | ompaul | mv--: na we are going to watch TV :P |
| 16:11.39 | mv-- | http://pastebin.com/C4AdCrVm |
| 16:11.44 | ompaul | mv--: what machine is that |
| 16:11.45 | joeoshawa | no i removed everything and rebooted i had no alsa or pulse |
| 16:11.58 | mv-- | Debian Linux 6.0 |
| 16:12.04 | mv-- | x86_64 |
| 16:12.16 | joeoshawa | i apt-get'd alsa |
| 16:12.17 | mv-- | kernel Linux 2.6.38 |
| 16:12.41 | babilen | mv--: Ok, what is the output of "apt-cache policy php5" ? Kernel .38? How/Who installed that kernel? |
| 16:12.41 | joeoshawa | so i must have a file pointing alsa to pulse audio somewhere |
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| 16:13.03 | ompaul | babilen: that was his vps provider |
| 16:13.07 | mv-- | php5: |
| 16:13.07 | mv-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.08 | mv-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.08 | mv-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.08 | mv-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.24 | babilen | heh |
| 16:13.36 | babilen | (I should have foreseen that) |
| 16:13.39 | joeoshawa | wow umm yeah ... ok then |
| 16:13.41 | ejvend | lol |
| 16:13.55 | joeoshawa | buh bye? |
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| 16:14.02 | ompaul | mv-- please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:14.06 | mv-- | http://pastebin.com/96cwyLCr |
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| 16:14.48 | babilen | mv--: You can see that you indeed 5.3.3 installed. |
| 16:15.34 | mv-- | http://pastebin.com/PJ3T9wZq |
| 16:15.39 | babilen | s/you indeed/you have indeed/ |
| 16:15.47 | mv-- | yeah, =) |
| 16:16.04 | babilen | mv--: So -- What was it again you are trying to achieve? |
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| 16:16.50 | mv-- | babilen: I'd like to install Moodle, which requries PHP 5.3.0 + |
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| 16:17.08 | mv-- | but my phpinfo says me: 5.2.7 |
| 16:17.09 | babilen | You have PHP >= 5.3.0 |
| 16:17.27 | Wyzard_ | If phpinfo() says 5.2.7 then the version you're actually running isn't the one installed from the Debian package |
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| 16:17.36 | joeoshawa | its probably a sim link problem |
| 16:17.37 | babilen | exactly |
| 16:17.38 | Wyzard_ | Maybe you have a rogue copy in /usr/local or something? |
| 16:17.46 | ompaul | mv--: apt-get install moodle |
| 16:17.49 | mv-- | and Moodle won't start installing |
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| 16:18.27 | Wyzard_ | The real question isn't why doesn't Moodle work, it's why does phpinfo() say 5.2.7 when dpkg says version 5.3.3 is installed |
| 16:18.51 | mv-- | I want it for a single Confixx User, not a system-wide installation. |
| 16:18.57 | babilen | Quite likely a local installation that shadows the correct one from Debian |
| 16:19.12 | themill | answering the question of where php 5.2.7 came from would be a good start |
| 16:19.24 | mv-- | Maybe you have a rogue copy in /usr/local or something? ??? |
| 16:19.41 | babilen | mv--: Do you have a local installation of PHP in /usr/local/ ? |
| 16:20.03 | babilen | mv--: (Or anywhere else?) |
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| 16:20.21 | mv-- | themill: yepp |
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| 16:20.24 | babilen | Can one convince PHP to show where it is installed? |
| 16:20.31 | Wyzard_ | or maybe you're mixed up and the server where you're running phpinfo() is a different machine than the one where you're looking at versions with dpkg :-) |
| 16:20.37 | gangz | hi everybody! does someone know FIREFOX problem : Couldn't load XPCOM ? |
| 16:21.06 | themill | mv--: which web server is this with? phpinfo() will tell you exactly where it is loaded from. |
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| 16:21.10 | mv-- | babilen: yepp, it's there |
| 16:21.27 | babilen | mv--: Could you paste the complete output of phpinfo() to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 16:22.09 | jelly-home | or link the phpinfo page if it's visible on them internets |
| 16:22.17 | babilen | or that |
| 16:22.49 | gangz | FIREFOX : Couldn't load XPCOM ? any idea ? |
| 16:23.10 | mv-- | http://uzl.vpex.de/info.php |
| 16:23.11 | MrFrood | gangz: use iceweasel |
| 16:23.30 | joeoshawa | gangz, did you try googling it |
| 16:23.41 | babilen | gangz: I am not aware of that particular problem. How did you install firefox? You are aware that Debian ships iceweasel and not firefox, which means that you are not using Debian packages there. Please provide more information about your problem. |
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| 16:23.59 | jelly-home | gangz: which Debian release? How did you install Firefox? Which version? How are you starting it? |
| 16:24.16 | themill | mv--: so you've got both confixx and webmin installed. Where could it go wrong? |
| 16:24.20 | gangz | Debian 6 , 64bits |
| 16:25.23 | mv-- | Ähmm, I guess Confixx because I saw this issue before I installed webmin |
| 16:25.54 | Wyzard_ | mv--: I'm not familiar with Confixx, but it's apparently a control panel for web hosts, similar to cPanel |
| 16:26.20 | Wyzard_ | mv--: I think cPanel installs its own bundled versions of lots of things, like Apache and PHP; it may be that Confixx does too |
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| 16:27.01 | themill | mv--: confixx and/or webmin are the problems here. I don't think anyone wants to touch your mess until you're actually running debian. "debsums" might help you get rid of that crap. |
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| 16:27.13 | themill | (or at least repair the damage) |
| 16:27.17 | Wyzard_ | Seeing /etc/apache2/confixx_phpini/web5/php.ini makes me think you're running a Confixx-bundled copy of PHP |
| 16:27.36 | mv-- | yeah I know... but Confixx is pretty nice. Except this issue if it's correlated to it |
| 16:27.51 | gangz | FIREFOX pb: i'll try to execute ./firefox the first time, my first problem was lib32 on 64bits system, but now i've installed ia32-libs |
| 16:27.54 | Wyzard_ | so the solution would be to either upgrade Confixx to a version that bundles a newer PHP, or remove Confixx and use Debian's PHP |
| 16:28.46 | jelly-home | !tell joeoshawa -about alsa checklist |
| 16:28.51 | joeoshawa | ok here is the issue my sound is fubar on this install |
| 16:28.57 | gangz | FIREFOX pb: now i see the message : Couldn't load XPCOM |
| 16:29.15 | joeoshawa | if i reinstall i get a too many sounds error if more then one app tries to use alsa |
| 16:29.23 | gangz | FIREFOX pb: i've installed xulrunner but nothing changed |
| 16:29.29 | mv-- | mmh |
| 16:29.36 | babilen | gangz: Why don't you use iceweasel? If you want newer releases you can get them from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:29.42 | jelly-home | gangz: your second problem is probably also a "missing a 32bit library" issue |
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| 16:30.11 | joeoshawa | ok jelly-home since i told you i cannot open alsa mixer how should i go about that |
| 16:30.21 | joeoshawa | seriously |
| 16:30.27 | joeoshawa | not being snide |
| 16:30.44 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: alsamixed -c 1 |
| 16:31.12 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: alsamixer -c 1 -- does that work differently or fail in a different way? |
| 16:31.15 | joeoshawa | command not found |
| 16:31.32 | jelly-home | mind the typo |
| 16:31.37 | gangz | >>babilen : thanks i'll try it, i'm installing it (iceweasel) |
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| 16:31.58 | joeoshawa | alsamixer is up |
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| 16:32.29 | gangz | >>jelly-home : yes , i think so, but which 32b lib is missing ? that's the question |
| 16:33.03 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: press F6, choose a physical card, and do step 2), do that for all the physical cards listed on F6 menu |
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| 16:35.16 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: also, you seem to have your alsa library configuration file somewhere munged to prefer the virtual pulseaudio card. That's why alsamixer fails without -c |
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| 16:37.05 | gangz | >>babilen : which flashplayer can i install with icewease ? any idea ? |
| 16:37.34 | Wyzard_ | flashplugin-nonfree, in the non-free repository |
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| 16:37.50 | gangz | ok thanks |
| 16:37.53 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: I don't know where that config file is, so after you're finished with unmuting and turning all the knobs to 100%, run "strace -f -eopen -ostrace.log alsamixer" and pastebin the resulting strace.log file |
| 16:38.11 | Wyzard_ | or a free one like gnash, though it doesn't support all the features of Adobe Flash |
| 16:38.20 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: install strace if it's not installed already |
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| 16:40.20 | gangz | have you ever use flashplugin-nonfree ? |
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| 16:40.34 | gangz | is it good ? like the real flash adobe ? |
| 16:40.59 | tetreb_ | isn't it the same |
| 16:41.06 | joeoshawa | well i am turning up all the volumes for everything to 100 and the mic comes out the speakers |
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| 16:41.20 | joeoshawa | what i wanted to prevent but it shows there working |
| 16:41.21 | toropisco | gangz: *it is* the real adobe flash binary. |
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| 16:41.51 | toropisco | gangz: In fact. Now that Adobe Flash 11 has 64-bit support, it works natively. |
| 16:41.51 | gangz | great , it's what i want , |
| 16:42.31 | yoshio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.22 | toropisco | yoshio: of course, because it is a downloader script. Debain cannot distribute the binaries without risking legal liability. /cc gangz |
| 16:43.25 | joeoshawa | ok no sound in mplayer |
| 16:43.35 | joeoshawa | going to use the strace now |
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| 16:44.25 | gangz | ok i see thanks guys |
| 16:44.37 | toropisco | gangz: if for some reason flashplugin-nonfree hasn't been updated yet, you can download the binary from Adobe and copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 16:45.35 | gangz | yes but my mozilla does'nt work (couldn't load XPCOM) i use iceweasel like an alternativ |
| 16:45.59 | joeoshawa | where do i find the strace log file |
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| 16:47.38 | eternity13 | Why pressing Home or End buttons inside ssh only prints ~ instead of doing it's function? How to fix that? |
| 16:47.38 | Bushmills | you don't. you redirect error output to file |
| 16:48.09 | toropisco | gangz: there are several details you are leaving out: Version of debian, version of firefox, the way you are trying to run FF... (myself, I've run release, beta, aurora, nightly from dmo and iceweasel all at the same time whithout problems. Use different profiles and start up scripts.) |
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| 16:50.13 | joeoshawa | Bushmills, you talking to me? |
| 16:50.19 | yoshio | toropisco, gangz: I ran "aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree" yesterday on Squeeze, and it installed Flash 11.x (I had 10.x previously). |
| 16:51.09 | toropisco | Excellent. |
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| 16:53.00 | joeoshawa | I am thinking thats what the -ostrace.log was for but i cannot find a file by that name |
| 16:53.52 | Fredxz | If Debian updates, do I ever need to reboot? |
| 16:53.56 | Fredxz | Will it tell me if it is needed? |
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| 16:54.02 | Fredxz | I am running it on my VPS. |
| 16:54.03 | Bushmills | joeoshawa: no.. i did. |
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| 16:56.42 | Wyzard_ | Fredxz: Generally, a reboot is only needed if the kernel is updated |
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| 16:57.02 | Wyzard_ | That happens from time to time -- including yesterday, when 6.0.3 was released |
| 16:57.28 | Wyzard_ | and you don't have to reboot immediately (but the new kernel won't take effect until you do) |
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| 16:58.26 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: current working directory |
| 16:58.59 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: you ought to have run the command while being in a directory your user could write to |
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| 17:00.23 | Javache | hi, i'm trying to update my debian squeeze install, but it keeps getting stuck on "Unpacking replacement base-files ..." (upgrading base-files 6.0squeeze2 to 6.0squeeze3) |
| 17:00.24 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: you can also give it an absolute path like strace -o/tmp/foo |
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| 17:00.46 | Wyzard_ | Javache: Do you get an error message? |
| 17:01.32 | Javache | Wyzard_: no, it's just stuck, and I see a defunct dpkg-deb process |
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| 17:02.59 | Wyzard_ | It may just take a long time, if you're low on RAM or something |
| 17:03.02 | Wyzard_ | Make sure your filesystem isn't full |
| 17:03.03 | gangz | yoshio , toropisco : Thanks guys , flashplugin-nonfree works with iceweasel, just a problem with sound (maybe because it's a Vbox guest linux) |
| 17:03.53 | Javache | Wyzard_: it's a high-end machine, it's been like that for a couple of hours, i'll check the free space |
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| 17:05.24 | Wyzard_ | Javache: Beyond that, I don't know, but I'd use strace to investigate and see what dpkg is actually doing |
| 17:05.26 | dieterd | gangz: there was something with oss and flash |
| 17:05.44 | Javache | Wyzard_: found the issue, there was still an nfs volume mounted of which the server had gone away |
| 17:05.53 | Wyzard_ | ah, that makes sense |
| 17:05.56 | Javache | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_6.0squeeze3_amd64.deb (--unpack): unable to stat `./mnt' (which I was about to install): Input/output error |
| 17:05.56 | dpkg | javache: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 17:06.23 | Wyzard_ | hmm, just noticed my nick has been wrong for hours |
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| 17:06.32 | dieterd | http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4 |
| 17:06.53 | dieterd | Flash V7 uses OSS natively, so no special setup is needed. |
| 17:07.11 | valdyn | dieterd: wow this one old howto |
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| 17:08.14 | Franciman | hi |
| 17:08.16 | jelly-home | dieterd: flash 9+ uses alsa, and 10.something uses pulse when available (by default) |
| 17:08.26 | gangz | dieterd : What do you mean ? |
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| 17:08.38 | dieterd | Look the link. There stands below Adobe Flash a lot of things till flash 10. |
| 17:08.41 | joeoshawa | just ran mplayer from command line and got this (totem:3121): Totem-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
| 17:08.43 | Franciman | hey people, to develop drivers on squeeze what do I need to download ? |
| 17:08.52 | Franciman | only kernel headers or something else? |
| 17:09.05 | valdyn | jelly-home: does it? mine is using alsa on "auto" |
| 17:09.26 | joeoshawa | and jelly-home i tried to do the strace but no idea where the log file it |
| 17:09.27 | joeoshawa | is |
| 17:10.07 | goshawk1 | anyone know of a tool that will allow selecting a font, size, etc and generate the X name format for it? |
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| 17:10.12 | Wyzard | joeoshawa: strace's output goes to the console (on stderr) unless you specify a logfile with -o |
| 17:10.52 | dieterd | i used a ossalsa http://alsa.opensrc.org/Aoss |
| 17:10.59 | jelly-home | valdyn: oh, I still have that ~/.asoundrc bit to make all app use pulse |
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| 17:11.09 | joeoshawa | it was a typo |
| 17:11.12 | dieterd | to solve a similar trouble |
| 17:11.14 | joeoshawa | one sec |
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| 17:12.10 | dieterd | or try padsp, den PulseAudio OSS Wrapper |
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| 17:12.41 | joeoshawa | http://pastebin.com/nS9ZE4JW |
| 17:12.53 | dieterd | http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/alsa-oss |
| 17:13.49 | dieterd | the german side describes a little why - i run in this to. It is valid vor ubuntu 11.04 too |
| 17:13.58 | Bushmills | goshawk1: xfontsel |
| 17:14.01 | valdyn | joeoshawa: running "mplayer" starts totem for you? |
| 17:14.25 | joeoshawa | in command line typing totem runs mplayer |
| 17:14.30 | goshawk1 | Bushmills, that's right, forgot about that one, ty!! :-) |
| 17:14.36 | joeoshawa | i ran it to check for errors |
| 17:14.41 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: move /etc/asound.conf away (rename it or something) |
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| 17:15.33 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: also, pastebin it for reference |
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| 17:16.38 | jelly-home | ,file alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so |
| 17:16.41 | judd | Search for alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so in squeeze/i386: libasound2-plugins: usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so |
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| 17:18.25 | joeoshawa | http://pastebin.com/4fG86VZj yep that is it |
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| 17:19.59 | dieterd | validin: Have this trouble idea in mind. Sometimes connection pulse audio to flash gets broken by installing a package which (still) uses (legacy) oss. Flash find then rests of oss and does not proper connect to pulse any more. after doing the steps others here describing this mostly should be repaired. |
| 17:20.34 | sqweek | howdy, don't suppose anyone is keen to update an oprhaned package? |
| 17:20.56 | mrtn_ | I saw a network administrator testing a firewall rules with executing a command starting with "s" before ssh connection to a server. This command starting with "s" was something similar to lsof(lot of output) and the ssh connection was refused by server, he saw what caused this. This is a bad description, but it's all I remember.. |
| 17:21.12 | babilen | sqweek: Which one is it? |
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| 17:21.22 | Iridos | strace? |
| 17:21.26 | dieterd | (people in this channel helped me last year with my flash sound trouble too) |
| 17:21.27 | sqweek | i've moved url from sqweek.dnsdojo.org to sqweek.net, but atm the 9mount package in unstable still references the old address |
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| 17:22.17 | joeoshawa | hahahahaha yessssssssssssssssssss thank you thank you thank you |
| 17:22.30 | joeoshawa | I HAVE SOUND |
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| 17:22.59 | mrtn_ | Iridos, thanks! That was the one. |
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| 17:23.33 | joeoshawa | hopefully the other issues are gone too |
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| 17:24.03 | Iridos | although that was more a question for #debian-scrabble |
| 17:24.30 | joeoshawa | so is there a way to point certain programs to a certain card? (i can leave this to another day if necessary) |
| 17:26.20 | Iridos | joeoshawa, you can configure many programs to use a certain card and they'll remember... |
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| 17:26.43 | Iridos | there might be some hack possible with .asoundrc, but dunno if you can really do anything per-program there |
| 17:27.08 | Iridos | and then there's always pulseaudio if you've got a couple of spare days (weeks?) to get it to run properly |
| 17:27.46 | joeoshawa | once was enough for that |
| 17:27.49 | joeoshawa | lol |
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| 17:28.01 | dieterd | yes, mplayer |
| 17:28.22 | dieterd | can be directed to a special sound card |
| 17:29.03 | joeoshawa | well the idea is i want to make all media go to sound card a and all regular computer stuff to sound card b |
| 17:29.35 | joeoshawa | then connect sound card a to tv and b to computer speakers and headset |
| 17:29.41 | pipeline | joeoshawa: well, that's kind of a frustrating problem. |
| 17:29.46 | joeoshawa | lol |
| 17:29.51 | LordDeath | the new /etc/init.d/apache2 config file, has it been changed for security reasons? |
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| 17:30.10 | joeoshawa | i know pulse has a gui for it but not sure if i am willing to go there again |
| 17:30.22 | pipeline | joeoshawa: there are three major ways to determine the default sound output device: ~/.asoundrc (libalsa), gstreamer-properties (gstreamer), and ~/.libao (mplayer/libao) |
| 17:30.33 | pipeline | joeoshawa: pulse is a whole nother ball of wax, don't go there broheim ;) |
| 17:30.37 | dieterd | mplayer -af equalizer=5:3:1:0:0:0:0:-1:-2:-3 -af volume=0 -ao alsa:device=hw=0 -playlist http://radiolink/internet-64/*.asx |
| 17:30.44 | pipeline | joeoshawa: your best bet is probably to do what dieterd just proposed |
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| 17:30.58 | pipeline | joeoshawa: set sane defaults for all regular computer stuff, then play your "media" with explicit settings for mplayer |
| 17:31.09 | joeoshawa | good idea |
| 17:31.25 | pipeline | joeoshawa: apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio, then use aplay -L to get a list of valid alsa devices for the -ao alsa:device argument. |
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| 17:31.29 | dualcore | hello. i'm wondering why my updates wont install. i open update manager it just kinda freezes |
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| 17:32.07 | joeoshawa | pulse is purged |
| 17:32.10 | joeoshawa | for ever |
| 17:32.13 | joeoshawa | and ever |
| 17:33.12 | Iridos | nah |
| 17:33.15 | joeoshawa | i may use a command i found to cause apt-getting pulse to return an error |
| 17:33.16 | Iridos | pulse will come one day |
| 17:33.24 | Iridos | can only be 2-3 debian releases in the future |
| 17:33.56 | pipeline | every few years somebody invents this shit again |
| 17:34.02 | pipeline | audio servers have been done, re-done, re-spun, and done again |
| 17:34.15 | pipeline | I don't know what drives people to say "THIS time, it will be DIFFERENT!" |
| 17:34.37 | Iridos | the same as playing the lottery? |
| 17:34.50 | joeoshawa | why not make one program that does all this stuff with add ons |
| 17:34.55 | joeoshawa | or natively |
| 17:34.56 | pipeline | joeoshawa: that's been done, too |
| 17:35.04 | dieterd | joeoshawa: Pulse i great, but the full version needs al ot of resources. so every distro tailors it down. But then users get a lot of trouble. |
| 17:35.11 | pipeline | in the 90s we had NAS, and then ESD, and then JACK/LADSPA, and now pulse |
| 17:35.35 | pipeline | so we're now on the fourth generation of audio servers and it's still kind of a pain :) |
| 17:35.45 | joeoshawa | there was a whole argument about this on ubuntu |
| 17:35.53 | pipeline | yeah there were arguments the first three times, too |
| 17:35.58 | pipeline | and they were substantially the same as today's argument |
| 17:36.47 | joeoshawa | well for me the argument is over |
| 17:36.50 | dieterd | A legacy pc of mine was occupied by pulse by 20% cpu, alsa was only 5% cpuload. |
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| 17:37.04 | joeoshawa | if debian puts pulse back in i will remove it again |
| 17:37.34 | joeoshawa | i will install programs that can choose the sound card for movies and music |
| 17:37.54 | pipeline | incidentally you probably need to set up dmix |
| 17:37.55 | joeoshawa | and streaming |
| 17:37.56 | dieterd | after full installation (I added some packages) and then it was ok. |
| 17:38.13 | joeoshawa | dmix? |
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| 17:38.52 | joeoshawa | i have google chrome for my tv browser |
| 17:38.59 | dieterd | yes, look here http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix |
| 17:39.03 | Iridos | err |
| 17:39.05 | joeoshawa | and chromium for monitor |
| 17:39.11 | Iridos | there's nothing to set up with dmix anymore |
| 17:39.13 | Iridos | it'S default? |
| 17:39.36 | dieterd | NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix for analogue output. Dmix is enabled by default for soundcards which don't support hardware mixing. You still need to set it up for digital outputs. |
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| 17:40.37 | joeoshawa | will check right now |
| 17:40.51 | joeoshawa | start both teamspeak and urban terror |
| 17:41.25 | Iridos | al wright |
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| 17:44.10 | Iridos | fairysnuff |
| 17:45.05 | joeoshawa | all is right with the world again |
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| 17:45.21 | joeoshawa | thank you all for your help |
| 17:45.28 | dieterd | joeoshawa: great! |
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| 17:46.27 | dieterd | bye |
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| 17:46.40 | sqweek | is there a better channel to ask about package administration? |
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| 17:47.30 | Iridos | if that means "package building" then yes |
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| 17:50.07 | sqweek | no i'm just looking to get the website updated for the 9mount package, as i've moved from sqweek.dnsdojo.org to sqweek.net |
| 17:50.31 | sqweek | i would try to contact the maintainer but pretty sure it's orphaned |
| 17:50.58 | sqweek | my main desire is to get the reference to sqweek.dnsdojo.org off the web |
| 17:52.22 | toropisco | sqweek: You will have a lot more luck writing to the debian-devel mailing list. You don't need to be subscribed (but to indicate so when you post there). Else, the official, official, Debian IRC channels are located in oftc.net. This is a community supported channel for all intents. |
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| 17:53.13 | iluminator101 | how do i print number in bar code? |
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| 17:53.18 | iluminator101 | how do i print numbers in bar code? |
| 17:53.21 | Woet | sqweek: both are down, what about removing it all together? :p |
| 17:53.25 | sqweek | toropisco: cheers, i'll poke the ML |
| 17:54.46 | sqweek | woet: sqweek.net has been working. i currently have 2000ms latency to my ISP's gateway though so i'm not surprised if you're having difficulty ^_^ |
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| 17:55.05 | Woet | sqweek: homehosting and australian internet |
| 17:55.08 | Woet | sounds like an awesome combo |
| 17:55.15 | sqweek | \o/ |
| 17:55.26 | Woet | can I hit it every minute and leech your bandwidth allowance? |
| 17:55.35 | Woet | i'm in a civilized world without bandwidth limits :p |
| 17:55.50 | sqweek | lol |
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| 17:56.46 | sqweek | woet: good point though, i should wait until whatever is going on has passed before emailing |
| 17:57.10 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 17:57.15 | Woet | i think this is going off-topic though |
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| 17:58.47 | silvertip257 | I'm looking to start experimenting with preseeding. The pages I've found so far on creating preseed configs are a bit sparse ... any suggestions on where to look next? |
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| 18:02.03 | mrtn_ | I have often seen that programs make new system variables once they are started(for example socat creates $SOCAT_SOCKADDR among others). Is there a way to see all the new variables created by application? "env" does not show those variables.. |
| 18:02.29 | Wyzard | mrtn_: Environment variables are per-process, not system-wide |
| 18:02.38 | Wyzard | They're inherited from parent process to child, but not the reverse |
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| 18:03.27 | Wyzard | so if socat exports a SOCAT_SOCKADDR variable to its child process, that child process is the only thing that sees it |
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| 18:06.28 | mrtn_ | Wyzard, ok, see. And if I check "ps -eo pid,ppid,fname | grep socat" I can see, that parent process is 30256, which is a bash. So am I correct, that those variables listed by "env" belong to bash and are inherited to all the processes which have parent process ID 30256? |
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| 18:06.56 | Wyzard | yes |
| 18:07.10 | Wyzard | though each process can change or remove values from its own environment, or the environment it passes on to its children |
| 18:07.40 | Wyzard | You can see a process's environment variables by looking in /proc/${pid}/environ -- but they're separated by null characters (which are invisible on the console) rather than newlines, so it'll look like they're all crammed together on one line |
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| 18:08.06 | Wyzard | so use something like: cat /proc/${pid}/environ | xargs -0 -IVAR echo "VAR" |
| 18:08.34 | spal | Is there any way to do exception handling when require() fails? |
| 18:08.41 | spal | oops, wrong channel. |
| 18:09.05 | Wyzard | actually, "xargs -0L1 echo" is a simpler way to do that |
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| 18:12.18 | mrtn_ | Wyzard, clever :) However, there are only variables inherited from bash as long as I understand. I mean there are no $SOCAT_SOCKADDR variables etc |
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| 18:13.11 | ar9 | what's a lightwight kde debian distro? |
| 18:13.15 | Wyzard | Right; if you want to see that, look at the environment of that child of socat |
| 18:13.23 | ar9 | a good one |
| 18:13.50 | mrtn_ | Wyzard, ok, thanks! |
| 18:14.26 | somiaj | kde and lightweight don't really go together. But with debian you can just cherry pick the packages you want installed. |
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| 18:15.07 | ar9 | somiaj i just want Debian with KDE minimal, but i don't know how to install from usb |
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| 18:15.18 | ar9 | somiaj no cd drive |
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| 18:16.26 | ompaul | ar9: get the cd downloaded netinstall will let you install from the net or get cd1 if you have a slow network connection, then cat whichever.iso > /dev/sdX1 whatever that might be |
| 18:16.42 | somiaj | ar9: installing form usb is the same as a cddrive. the netinstall/cd1 iso images are dual purpose. They can be put on a usbdrive just fine. There is a KDE version of disc1, but I'd suggest just a netinstall and only install the packages you want. |
| 18:16.44 | ompaul | then plug it in tell the machine to boot from usb in the bios and happy days |
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| 18:17.53 | ar9 | ompaul every time ive tried booting from netinstall on a usb it fails at installing packages, just aska for a cd rom |
| 18:18.16 | ar9 | ompaul so the cvommand is cat ? |
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| 18:20.30 | ompaul | ar9: netinstall should have a wired connection to the internet |
| 18:20.43 | ompaul | ar9: what kind of box is it? |
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| 18:21.29 | ar9 | ompaul dell dimension b110/8100 old but new enough to boot from usb |
| 18:21.32 | somiaj | it seems like you just aren't setting up your sources.list first |
| 18:21.48 | ar9 | probably |
| 18:21.54 | somiaj | I bet your installs are fine, you just need to set up your sources.list to search for the internet (not a cdrom) |
| 18:22.04 | ar9 | i just click ok until somethinfg goes wrong |
| 18:22.25 | somiaj | depending on your network card you may need non-free firmware to get online, you may have to download that and copy it over |
| 18:23.09 | ar9 | somiaj ill see what happens, shold i use unetbootin or fedora iveusb creator |
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| 18:25.18 | somiaj | unetbootin will work, you can just download the iso and dd/cat it to the usb drive as well. Many ways |
| 18:25.28 | somiaj | unetbootin is probabaly the most usb friendly |
| 18:25.31 | somiaj | arg user |
| 18:26.05 | ar9 | i just used unet right now, downloaded usb hd media |
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| 18:26.26 | ar9 | going to try it out i guess |
| 18:26.38 | rhenani | Hello guys i have a question, I have debian squeeze 6.0.1 without graphical environment |
| 18:26.56 | rhenani | is the package gnome-core a desktop-envinroment? |
| 18:27.11 | rhenani | environment* |
| 18:27.19 | Bushmills | yes, it is |
| 18:27.41 | rhenani | but I just installed and my computer is still everything black |
| 18:27.43 | Bushmills | strictly speaking, no, it isn't |
| 18:28.05 | Bushmills | it is a meta package, which, when installed, pulls in the components of a desktop environment |
| 18:29.00 | Bushmills | everything black on monitor i get when not turning the monitor on |
| 18:29.08 | rhenani | no no |
| 18:29.09 | rhenani | I mean |
| 18:29.10 | ar9 | did you try startx? |
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| 18:29.34 | rhenani | like if it wasn't a desktop environment |
| 18:29.40 | rhenani | everything is trhough comand line |
| 18:29.45 | Bushmills | does it run? |
| 18:29.49 | rhenani | i don't have desktop environment yet |
| 18:29.51 | rhenani | no |
| 18:29.55 | Bushmills | then start it |
| 18:29.59 | rhenani | how |
| 18:30.14 | rhenani | ? |
| 18:30.20 | Bushmills | you have an X server installed? |
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| 18:37.39 | fjordside | How to specify a new prompt style system wide? |
| 18:38.08 | Nirgal1 | rhenani: try tasksel to install desktop if needed. if X doesn't start, have a look at /var/log/Xorg* |
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| 18:38.55 | jelly-home | fjordside: which shell? |
| 18:39.03 | fjordside | bash |
| 18:39.14 | jelly-home | fjordside: probably /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 18:39.36 | jelly-home | but read the fine manual, bash reads more than one rc file at start |
| 18:40.13 | ar9 | somiaj netinstall seems to be worknig, partitioning the drive, thanks |
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| 18:41.07 | fjordside | jelly-home: thanks, I will look into it, i see PS1 defined in /etc/profile |
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| 18:41.56 | jelly-home | fjordside: yeah, but that one is not used only by bash but also by other shells |
| 18:42.53 | fjordside | jelly-home: thanks again, bye |
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| 18:43.57 | Nirgal1 | fjordside: unfortunatly, .bashrc files are created in all user homes, based on /etc/skel/.bashrc. These might override global settings |
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| 18:45.24 | ar9 | does anyone know how big the minimal install that "netinstall" downloads? |
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| 18:46.14 | somiaj | ar9: it doesn't download it, it install the base system (minimial system) which is a few hundered megs uncompressed |
| 18:46.38 | somiaj | the base system is on the netinstall cd. After that depending on what else you need you'll have to download things. |
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| 18:47.08 | pipeline | netinstall ironically does not require the net to install |
| 18:47.18 | pipeline | it is the absolute minimum |
| 18:48.30 | ar9 | pipeline wekk the netinstall isnt doesnt have guis, so a noob like me cant do anything with it : |
| 18:48.53 | pipeline | ar9: the gui installer is almost exactly the same as the curses installer |
| 18:49.08 | pipeline | ar9: it looks a little prettier but it has the same options, just uhh mouse instead of keyboard to click on stuff |
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| 18:49.47 | ar9 | pipeline no I mean a DE, |
| 18:50.08 | ar9 | pipeline cant browse facebook without a DE |
| 18:50.14 | qwd | Pretty sure you can choose to install a DE at the end of the installation. |
| 18:50.20 | somiaj | lynx/links2 -- though not sure how facebook works |
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| 18:50.25 | pipeline | ar9: run "tasksel" |
| 18:50.30 | somiaj | also you don't need a full DE, you just need a WM |
| 18:50.33 | pipeline | ar9: pick "desktop" or whatever |
| 18:50.43 | pipeline | ar9: it will install Mostly The Right Shit |
| 18:50.52 | somiaj | actually you can browse facebook without even a WM |
| 18:51.01 | somiaj | just make sure you pick 'alternative desktops' the default desktop is gnome |
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| 18:51.45 | Bushmills | ar9: once upon a time, many computers had no GUI, and still. noobs managed to use them. |
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| 18:53.00 | Bushmills | ok, granted, they may have been not "noobs like you" :) |
| 18:53.46 | tetreb_ | having a manual is important |
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| 18:54.08 | somiaj | think it was easier to go from now expectations and learn a totally new thing, then come from 'it must work this way' experiences and have to relearn another way. |
| 18:54.15 | somiaj | s/now/no/ |
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| 18:54.44 | ar9 | Bushmills i just want something where i dont have to lear vi or emacs to configure RC files so i can have sound : |
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| 18:55.24 | Bushmills | ar9: don't worry, emacs is not part of a minimal installation. |
| 18:55.51 | ar9 | Bushmills lol ive heards emacs is almost an OS in itself |
| 18:55.54 | Bushmills | i think pico is |
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| 18:56.06 | somiaj | nano -- the free pico |
| 18:56.08 | Bushmills | (editor with a minimal install) |
| 18:56.09 | pipeline | Bushmills, tetreb_ : yeah, back in the day, computers came with printed and bound documentation and "getting started" stuff |
| 18:56.17 | Bushmills | ah, right. nano |
| 18:56.36 | Bushmills | pipeline: they even came with schematics |
| 18:56.51 | pipeline | ar9, Bushmills : emacs original design goal was to be a fully fledged lisp system, which would indeed be "an OS in itself." But they never really finished the job. They ended up with a swiss army knife editor. |
| 18:57.12 | tetreb_ | ar9 does that even exist? My experience with DE config apps iwas that they don't expose all options and usually you need just those |
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| 18:57.53 | tetreb_ | ar9: But I have limited experience. Anyway sound config seems complicated, Pulseaudio should autoconfig and work |
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| 18:58.10 | ar9 | tetreb_ive tried crunchbang and you neeed to configure the openbox menu every time you installed something |
| 18:58.23 | ar9 | tetreb_ dont need that |
| 18:58.27 | somiaj | ar9: if you want lightweight learning rcfiles is the way to go. But debian by default should make lots of hardware just work. The graphical interface you put ontop is up to you. But if you want lightweight kde/gnome may not be the path to take |
| 18:58.29 | adminewb | is wine on debian just not popular for some particular reason? |
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| 18:59.02 | somiaj | adminewb: its just not an easy package to compile for every arch/situtation so its just outdated. Its not that hard to make a custom wine package. I do it to install the latests version |
| 18:59.15 | ompaul | adminewb: yes the newer versions need some non free stuff aiui --- and who wants those binaries for windows anyway |
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| 18:59.20 | somiaj | ar9: in debian there is a 'menu' package, that allows auto generation of menus. Most wm's including openbox will use that. |
| 18:59.27 | ar9 | somiaj if I choose "graphical ebviroment" when it asks what kid of server i want it to be, it just install xorg and stuff not Gnome right? |
| 18:59.45 | tetreb_ | ar9: you mean pulseaudio? In my opinion it's meant for the end user, if you want to do all by yourself,, it gets complicated. :) |
| 18:59.57 | adminewb | somiaj, so do you just start with a tarball from winehq.org without anything debian flavored? |
| 19:00.04 | somiaj | ar9: I don't know what the tasks really are, look here http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 19:00.29 | ar9 | tetreb_ that was during and arch install, not a debian install, debian is just easy peasy install :D |
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| 19:00.32 | somiaj | adminewb: correct. if you ahve a build system just 'make install' will put it in /usr/local and it will work just fine. Just keep a copy of the source around so you can 'make uninstall' it |
| 19:00.54 | somiaj | adminewb: if you want to get a little more advanced you can use dh_make and build the source into a custom .deb -- takes more work but then you can install/remove it with dpkg. Either will work fine. |
| 19:01.24 | Bushmills | adminewb: i guess wine is not that popular because most thing you can do with it is to run windows program which is considered unnecessary given that you can run linux program without wine |
| 19:01.28 | tetreb_ | somiaj: I nevr knew that, that should be on the first page of a linux newbe guide (for windows users) |
| 19:01.59 | Bushmills | ah, about what ompaul said |
| 19:02.09 | adminewb | somiaj thanks |
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| 19:02.25 | Bushmills | ompaul: stop taking the words out of my mouth before i was able to utter them |
| 19:02.31 | pipeline | ar9: it's 2011. Don't sweat "lightweight" too much. |
| 19:02.49 | pipeline | ar9: your browser will happily eat a gigabyte of RAM. The 50M versus 100M for all the peripheral items is pretty much trivial. |
| 19:02.54 | ar9 | pipeline the dydtem im installing on has 512 mb of ram |
| 19:03.14 | pipeline | ar9: yeah, so it won't run a modern browser capably anyway. You will be thrashing swap regardless. Don't sweat the small stuff :) |
| 19:03.26 | ar9 | ar9 uzbl browser is pretty good at not freezing up the whole enviroment |
| 19:03.47 | pipeline | uzbl still uses webkit, still gonna consume considerable memory |
| 19:03.58 | ompaul | Bushmills: I was giving you the weekend off :) |
| 19:04.05 | ompaul | hides |
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| 19:04.28 | ar9 | pipeline but google-chrome will freeze my system when opening a new tab :| |
| 19:04.51 | pipeline | ar9: google chrome and uzbl are both based on webkit |
| 19:04.54 | ompaul | ar9: ehn thought you hadn't got debian installed |
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| 19:05.34 | ar9 | ompaul trying to switch from mint Debian to Debian KDE |
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| 19:06.35 | ar9 | pipeline yeah but google-chrome with a bunch of extensions will eat up more ram than just a webkit window |
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| 19:07.54 | _Dave123_ | is it possible to make hotkeys for debian? like #t is open terminal? |
| 19:08.01 | _Dave123_ | in gnome |
| 19:08.31 | ompaul | ar9: so the issues are with mint or debian? |
| 19:08.39 | somiaj | _Dave123_: depends on your window manager. |
| 19:09.37 | ar9 | ompaul i'd rather have vanilla Debian with KDE |
| 19:09.54 | Bushmills | there are several lighter web browsers, with varying degree of similarity to the bigger browsers. like dillo, netsurf, midori, kazehakaze etc |
| 19:10.04 | ompaul | ar9: so the issues are they with mint? |
| 19:10.13 | pipeline | dillo will actually run inside 512M of RAM |
| 19:10.17 | pipeline | dillo is ridiculously lightning fast |
| 19:10.19 | somiaj | vimprobable |
| 19:10.23 | ar9 | ompaul there's no issue |
| 19:10.23 | pipeline | it also has zero support for modern web stuff :P |
| 19:10.35 | ar9 | ompaulnone at all, just want a different DE |
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| 19:10.49 | Bushmills | links2 -G may be a nice alternative to those |
| 19:10.54 | ompaul | ar9: you are talking about software freezing and the like but there is no issue, therefore I'll assume you are talking about none debian issues |
| 19:11.02 | ar9 | pipeline I'll try dillo, thanks for the recommend |
| 19:11.10 | tetreb_ | dillo is also a curseword in german ^^ |
| 19:11.21 | ar9 | ompaul yessir |
| 19:11.29 | pipeline | dillo will most assuredly make you curse |
| 19:11.41 | ar9 | pipeline javascript support? |
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| 19:12.04 | ompaul | ar9: therefore they are not appropriate to here ;-) |
| 19:12.28 | tetreb_ | to curse or not to curse |
| 19:12.31 | pipeline | ar9: none at all |
| 19:12.53 | ar9 | ompaul well my original question was how do i usb install, and it was answered very clearly :D |
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| 19:15.43 | Iridos | apt-cache search curses |
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| 19:16.03 | jeeves_moss | I have a "Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82543GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Fiber) (rev ff)" and I can't get the OS to see it. ideas on how I can find it? |
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| 19:17.25 | Agiofws | ok hello |
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| 19:17.46 | jeeves_moss | Agiofws, hello |
| 19:18.03 | Iridos | jeeves_moss, try a newer kernel from backports ... if it's not seen at all it's probably not supported |
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| 19:18.26 | Agiofws | i just updated my kernel to 3.1rc and all of the sudden i am getting email in my mail box when ever an error/waring comes UP would you know what process i have to kill for this to stop ? |
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| 19:23.25 | acu | 6.03 is release - I have to install from scratch few servers - and I would prefer to download and burn at least first DVD - does anyone knows the link for it ? - I guess that at this point only netinst would do a 6.03, if anyone can point me to an iso with 6.03 AMD_64 I would appreciate |
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| 19:24.48 | tommjames | hey. i just did an upgrade, and now my monitor prefs are saying "Monitor: Unknown" and only a few low resolutions are available. anybody have anything like that? |
| 19:24.55 | ompaul | acu: funny you should ask that, I'd check the server in a couple of hours when the mirrors get updated |
| 19:25.13 | acu | omnamashivaya :) |
| 19:25.37 | acu | it is a kind of prayer ompaul |
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| 19:26.52 | Iridos | Agiofws, should be /etc/rsyslog.conf ... but why that would change with a kernel update is beyond me |
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| 19:27.15 | ompaul | acu: well it won't speed up the mirror process, a totally robotic setup |
| 19:27.16 | acu | ompaul: I guess that the hardisks from the mirrors are hot - litterally hot :) |
| 19:29.14 | acu | ompaul: can you translate please :) - the propagation to the mirrors takes time ? - If I do the netinstall would take unnecesarly to much bandwidh |
| 19:30.06 | ompaul | acu: if you have to do several servers it might be waiting, and use propagation to mirrors does take time |
| 19:30.46 | ompaul | acu: if speed is the issue then make one dd it to other platters then edit them and plug them into other boxes |
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| 19:31.17 | ompaul | acu: a run to mirros can take up to 6 hours if it fails check in 6 hours |
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| 19:32.57 | jmeb | anyone else have dependencies issues install mdadm on squeeze? |
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| 19:34.19 | acu | ompaul: thanks - I thought of dd (which is truly magic) only that the servers/workstations have slightly different hardware and installing it clean is preferred -no, I have no problem with the speed - just an ecologic thought - if I have to make few installs - installing everytime from the mirror will incur some costs for the mirrors, if I downloaded the DVD I could install it without the need to go for other things - |
| 19:34.56 | Agiofws | Iridos, i agree |
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| 19:35.20 | ompaul | acu: ahh you could kick off all servers at the one time and spend less than an hour and a half on them all with net installs |
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| 19:36.19 | Iridos | Agiofws, only thing I can think of is that the config to mail these errors was always present but your new kernel now spits those errors the first time... or that you also installed a new rsyslog along with the kernel |
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| 19:38.34 | Agiofws | where would rsyslog be in debian |
| 19:39.37 | acu | see you around - thanks a bunch |
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| 19:40.36 | adminewb | Agiofws, /usr/share/doc/rsyslog-doc/html/rsyslog_conf.html ... that what you mean? |
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| 19:49.11 | systemclient | If I install Debian on a SSD, do I have to do anything special? Would EXT4 be a good choice? |
| 19:50.29 | lupine_85 | ext4 would be fine. get the block alignment right, and ensure trim support is enabled |
| 19:50.39 | Bushmills | what kind of SSD? |
| 19:50.48 | Agiofws | whats trim support ? |
| 19:50.51 | lupine_85 | https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu ? |
| 19:51.12 | lupine_85 | I guess debian stable's kernel is a bit old for that |
| 19:51.45 | systemclient | Stable is too old for me -- I go unstable or testing |
| 19:52.10 | systemclient | Bushmills: I have yet to buy. But I have told myself I need one for some reason :) |
| 19:52.34 | systemclient | Agiofws: it is a feature you need for SSD so they can be a little faster/safer |
| 19:52.50 | lupine_85 | if you're using unstable, it'll have support |
| 19:53.08 | lupine_85 | anyway, if you're going to spend money on an SSD, avoid the "value" range |
| 19:53.29 | lupine_85 | I bought a kingston value-ish one ,and I'm not particularly impressed, but the enterprise stuff we have at work is something else entirely |
| 19:53.33 | systemclient | lupine_85: you mean < 100€? |
| 19:53.54 | lupine_85 | I'm not really familiar with price points at the moment |
| 19:54.13 | lupine_85 | obviously, SLC if you can afford it |
| 19:54.20 | systemclient | My inner limit is around 100€ right now -- but I know that more money will get you more :) |
| 19:54.31 | systemclient | lupine_85: sure, but I am just a student ;-/ |
| 19:54.44 | systemclient | and it is just for my personal computer, which is not beefy itself |
| 19:54.58 | systemclient | Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz -- 2GB -- 9500 GT |
| 19:55.04 | lupine_85 | mm, the ones at work are in the thousands of pounds range |
| 19:55.16 | systemclient | that is *way* over my head |
| 19:55.37 | lupine_85 | mine too, but they're fun to play with :D |
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| 19:55.40 | systemclient | But I can see how they can be fun, worked on a Dell Workstation with 2x Xeon and 24 GB once |
| 19:56.09 | systemclient | anyway, trim seems to be from Kernel 2.6.33 |
| 19:56.18 | systemclient | so that is beyond stable, but a piece of cake for sid |
| 19:56.37 | lupine_85 | ja |
| 19:57.38 | systemclient | oh, somebody like to use whois … I see |
| 19:58.16 | Corey | I have a netbook with a hosed drive; is there a Debian Live USB image I can boot from? |
| 19:58.18 | systemclient | another dumb question: I use sid for a while in a VM for packaging … how usable is that for everyday stuff? |
| 19:58.30 | systemclient | Corey: Ubuntu has live disks |
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| 19:58.42 | systemclient | Corey: there are some Debian live ones I have heard of+ |
| 19:59.11 | systemclient | Corey: you need something for an USB stick? |
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| 20:01.20 | Corey | systemclient: Indeed. |
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| 20:01.59 | systemclient | Corey: you can install Ubuntu on a Live stick, there are tools for Windows out there |
| 20:02.15 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 20:02.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 20:03.05 | Bushmills | observe that 2.6.39 has been backported to stable |
| 20:04.00 | rww | Corey: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ has hybrid live images that can be dd'd to a USB stick |
| 20:04.29 | Bushmills | !kmuto |
| 20:04.29 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 20:06.34 | systemclient | So how usable is Unstable for everyday use? |
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| 20:07.38 | ar9 | I just finished installing debian from netinstall without a DE or WM, |
| 20:07.42 | lupine_85 | I use wheezy on my laptop |
| 20:07.46 | ar9 | and ll i get is a flashing _ |
| 20:07.53 | lupine_85 | (squeeze kernel doesn't support the hardware) |
| 20:07.56 | lupine_85 | WFM, YMMV, etc |
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| 20:09.38 | ar9 | somiaj i dont have a terminal :( |
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| 20:11.41 | ar9 | i dont have a terminal after a fresh install |
| 20:11.55 | ar9 | nothing but a flashing cursor |
| 20:12.00 | cusco_ | what happens when you boot? |
| 20:12.18 | cusco_ | waht does it say in the boot proccess? |
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| 20:12.43 | qmr | everydns sold out... someone recommend me a free nameservice? |
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| 20:13.42 | folivora | qmr: dyndns.org ? |
| 20:13.54 | qmr | no, not what I'm asking |
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| 20:14.07 | qmr | I mean free nameservers... liek your domain needs ns1.foo ns2.foo and so on |
| 20:14.13 | folivora | aaa |
| 20:14.24 | qmr | I thought godaddy did this .. but .. I guess not |
| 20:14.24 | cusco_ | qmr: 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:14.31 | cusco_ | d 8.8.4.4 ? |
| 20:14.39 | cusco_ | google public dns |
| 20:14.41 | qmr | cusco_: you also don't understand what I'm asking :P |
| 20:14.44 | cusco_ | ok |
| 20:14.45 | qmr | maybe I'm not wording it properly |
| 20:14.57 | cusco_ | you mean zone managing service? |
| 20:15.09 | threadlock | free as in freedom? |
| 20:15.12 | qmr | http://www.zoneedit.com/ any good? |
| 20:15.20 | qmr | free as in I don't have to pay for it |
| 20:15.21 | cusco_ | I used it for several years |
| 20:15.45 | cusco_ | ovh allows you to create a handle for free and manage zones for free too |
| 20:15.47 | ar9 | cusco_ installed grub to the boot usb :( |
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| 20:16.09 | cusco_ | ar9: boot it with usb |
| 20:16.17 | cusco_ | then eject usb, and run: update-grub |
| 20:16.44 | qmr | says my username is invalid.... |
| 20:17.02 | cusco_ | hu? |
| 20:17.04 | cusco_ | login as root |
| 20:17.12 | qmr | zoneedit.com |
| 20:17.15 | cusco_ | ah |
| 20:17.21 | cusco_ | create a new one then |
| 20:17.37 | qmr | don't see why it says invalid... qmriis .. why wouldn't that be valid >_> |
| 20:18.02 | cusco_ | perhaps it alredy exists? |
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| 20:18.37 | qmr | yea, I tried logging in on both platforms.. nadda |
| 20:18.49 | cusco_ | recover pass or register again |
| 20:19.01 | qmr | no such account... I'll have to make up another username to try I guess |
| 20:19.41 | qmr | Round your order up by 1 cents and we'll match it, giving 2 cents to the charity you select! Details |
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| 20:25.10 | symptom | any idea why I cant get the debian netinst iso to boot on virtualbox4.1.4 |
| 20:25.11 | symptom | ? |
| 20:25.33 | systemclient | symptom: is that the current one? |
| 20:25.34 | symptom | boot device is set properly. |
| 20:25.48 | systemclient | symptom: I have seval debian VMs on my vbox, but I do not know its version |
| 20:25.50 | symptom | systemclient, yes released last week I think. Both the deb and the vb |
| 20:26.03 | systemclient | symptom: I use the current one on Ubuntu 11.04 |
| 20:26.33 | symptom | ok im on ubuntu10.10 but the current one is 4.0.4 from the ubuntu sources. |
| 20:28.29 | symptom | systemclient, the netinst iso should bood with the installer right? Im just getting a blinking cursor (waited 15min, no change) |
| 20:28.37 | totte | I used openportchecker.com to see what it says about my server - and for some reason the SSH port is displayed as closed. SSH definitely works for me though, what's up with that? |
| 20:28.39 | symptom | or should i try a different image....? |
| 20:29.21 | totte | The httpd ports are displayed as open... :/ |
| 20:29.24 | systemclient | symptom: so it is not that idfferent I guess |
| 20:29.40 | systemclient | symptom: can you type anything? |
| 20:29.42 | symptom | totte, does ssh work FROM your server? or can you ssh to it? |
| 20:29.56 | symptom | totte, from you server you can 'netstat -a | grep LISTEN' |
| 20:29.58 | systemclient | symptom: or maybe the download failed? |
| 20:30.17 | symptom | systemclient, perhaps the dl did fail.... I restarted it a few times with wget -c |
| 20:30.25 | symptom | let me check the hash |
| 20:30.42 | totte | symptom: I can definitely both SSH into it and out from it. :S |
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| 20:32.04 | bintje | hmm |
| 20:32.26 | bintje | i have user root user1 user2 and user3 and i want only user1 and user2 to be able to login via ssh console |
| 20:32.32 | bintje | i can restrict the root login in the sshd_config |
| 20:32.46 | bintje | but how can i define allowed groups? i kinda forgot |
| 20:32.49 | systemclient | bintje: it is possible, I do not know how |
| 20:33.05 | bintje | i think i did it once that i had the group ssh and only ppl in the group ssh were able to connect via ssh |
| 20:33.23 | symptom | totte, depends on what type of scan you are running on your box. if netstat -a says listening and you can ssh to it then you are good. |
| 20:33.32 | blackmath | ^^^ nvm |
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| 20:33.45 | symptom | s/you are/openportchecker.com |
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| 20:35.21 | systemclient | why is the channle limit set regularly? |
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| 20:36.16 | qmr | if I want a record to to point to another name ... instead of IP.. can I do that? |
| 20:36.34 | totte | symptom: Well it says "LISTENING" on three rows; tmux, acpid and mysqld. |
| 20:36.58 | blast_hardcheese | qmr: cname? |
| 20:37.17 | totte | I mean, it works... perhaps the scanner is faulty and I ought to use another one. |
| 20:37.52 | symptom | $ netstat -a | grep ssh |
| 20:37.52 | symptom | tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN |
| 20:37.52 | symptom | tcp6 0 0 [::]:ssh [::]:* LISTEN |
| 20:37.55 | symptom | no? |
| 20:38.01 | qmr | blast_hardcheese: yea, I was thinking that, but it's been awhile since I've fiddled with these things |
| 20:38.36 | qmr | it would actually be good if I could somehow have mc.ebsf.us be local for port 80 and have the port for minecraft be remove.. idk if that's doable or not |
| 20:38.38 | symptom | LISTEN||LISTENING |
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| 20:40.47 | totte | symptom: http://pastebin.com/bsMMc4hH, replaced the numbers with X's. |
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| 20:41.51 | totte | Those two are mysql and sftp by the way. |
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| 20:43.44 | fjordside | How to change XTerm background to black instead of white system wide? |
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| 20:44.08 | Iridos | so what did you change the numbers to X for? |
| 20:44.26 | Iridos | fjordside, xterm -bg black -fg white? |
| 20:44.44 | Iridos | fjordside, or set in .Xresources |
| 20:44.45 | totte | Iridos: The first one is mysql and the second is sftp. |
| 20:45.00 | Iridos | dunno if there's a system wide equivalent for that...probably is |
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| 20:45.07 | fjordside | Iridos: system wide, not per user |
| 20:45.21 | totte | Not sure if they give something away, bit new to ports and stuff. |
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| 20:46.09 | Iridos | fjordside, well... that bit was left to the reader as an exercise... |
| 20:46.20 | fjordside | I see /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color but how to enable it? |
| 20:46.30 | Iridos | but look at /etc/X11/Xresources/ |
| 20:47.07 | Iridos | ah, or those :) |
| 20:47.46 | jair | hello guys, I am trying to install debian in a dell machine with video card DVI-D dual link, it has a split DVI single cable and from there connects to the dell monitor DVI as well. When I went through the installation I could see all the process no problem but when I finished the installation process and restart the system the monitor goes power save not input detected... :( |
| 20:48.04 | jair | any suggestions? should I try to play with the configurations of xorg? |
| 20:49.10 | arghx | jair: you should give us the debian version and actual hardware you use, not do desperate configuration attempts |
| 20:49.43 | symptom | totte, strange. Run nmap -sS -p22 -PN -A -T4 -vv <yourserver> from your client to do a full exhaustive scan of port22 on your server. |
| 20:50.18 | Iridos | fjordside, those should be "enabled" but you want to edit XTerm, not XTerm-color? |
| 20:50.43 | arghx | totte: are you trying to ssh to your server from the outside? (ie different public IP) |
| 20:50.46 | jair | arghx: OK |
| 20:51.06 | jair | arghx: I will collect the information: debian squeeze 64bit net-install |
| 20:51.07 | fjordside | Iridos: I don't understand how those files work |
| 20:51.25 | arghx | totte: e.g. go to a friend and try to connect via ssh to your ssh server. does that work? and: you do have a router and the router has port 22/tcp forwarded? |
| 20:51.34 | jair | arghx: I will bring the dell model and the video input again is DVI-D |
| 20:52.09 | arghx | jair: dvi is not a video input. and how you connect your monitor is irrelevant. what's more important are video card and number of cards if more than one |
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| 20:52.52 | jair | ok but I can not get to the terminal log in |
| 20:53.41 | jair | arghx: I will collect the information and come back thank you |
| 20:53.51 | arghx | !tell jair about nomodeset |
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| 20:54.08 | totte | symptom: I'll have to install nmap first, downloading. |
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| 20:54.20 | jair | !nomodeset |
| 20:54.25 | arghx | jair: please use "nomodeset" kernel parameter and boot with that |
| 20:54.27 | fjordside | Iridos: I believe $TERM defines what files is used but where is $TERM defined? |
| 20:54.30 | arghx | !kms |
| 20:54.31 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:54.41 | jair | arghx: ok thank you |
| 20:54.49 | Iridos | fjordside, they're the system-wide version of .Xresources/.Xdefaults. Look at "man xterm", search for app-default if you want more in depth stuff, I think it's in the man-page of X(7), possibly xrdb |
| 20:54.57 | arghx | totte: nmap is useless to test localhost |
| 20:55.32 | scummy_ | i updated squeeze today and my ps/2 keyboard and mouse stopped working. there was a udev error when booting. any ideas? |
| 20:55.34 | fjordside | Iridos: xterm man is huggeeee |
| 20:55.35 | totte | arghx: It's a VPS and I can connect to it from both my laptop and from my laptop through another Debian box. The firewall shows sshd, apache and sftp ports are open and available... |
| 20:55.49 | fjordside | Iridos: thanks for search keyword |
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| 20:56.12 | arghx | !tell scummy_ about errors |
| 20:56.13 | Iridos | fjordside, I might also recommend "man bash" for those long winter evenings |
| 20:56.14 | Iridos | :D |
| 20:56.48 | symptom | totte, better yet if you are running linux with Xwindows on you other client then use zenmap. If youre already installing nmap then continue doing that, and install zenmap after. zenmap is a gui front end for nmap, and it gives you some more explainations on what happened during the scan. |
| 20:58.42 | totte | symptom: Gotcha. |
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| 21:00.10 | arghx | totte: if it works as intended, what is your problem exactly? |
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| 21:01.14 | totte | arghx: That openportchecker website suggests that specific port is closed when it isn't, I'm curious and reading tutorials on "hardening" Windows. |
| 21:01.29 | totte | I eman Debian. |
| 21:01.37 | Iridos | fjordside, "man 7 X" search for ^RESOURCES |
| 21:02.14 | arghx | totte: what have open ports you want to have open to do with "hardening" in any way? |
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| 21:04.03 | totte | arghx: I set iptables to keep a select few open, I guess it's relevant somehow? |
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| 21:04.29 | arghx | if you cann connect to sshd and apache, please tell me how it would be? |
| 21:04.59 | symptom | totte, you didnt change anything in you sshd_config did you ? |
| 21:05.48 | valdyn | totte: iptables keeping ports "open" does not make those ports open |
| 21:05.54 | totte | symptom: Only the port? |
| 21:06.31 | symptom | totte, so you DID change the sshd_config??? yes? |
| 21:06.32 | Iridos | totte, ports are only "open" if a process listens to them |
| 21:06.34 | valdyn | totte: or most ports will be closed even if iptables has all open |
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| 21:07.07 | totte | Yeah I changed the port number in sshd_config? |
| 21:07.36 | symptom | totte what did you change it to? |
| 21:07.49 | totte | 42? |
| 21:09.20 | totte | Iridos, valdyn: Yeah processes listen to ports and firewall restricts access to them(?). |
| 21:10.06 | valdyn | totte: yes |
| 21:10.29 | totte | Must be a website hiccup, nmap says port 21, 554, 443, 80, 7070 and 42 are open. The website only displayed 80 and 443 as open. |
| 21:10.35 | totte | zenmap, that is. |
| 21:10.47 | Iridos | totte, there's usually no point of having a firewall that way... if you don't want people to access the service don't run it or let it listen on localhost only |
| 21:10.50 | valdyn | totte: no, that website will probably only scan specific ports |
| 21:12.10 | symptom | totte, if you changed the port then the website is probably scanning for port 22 (the common ssh port) and it doesnt see 22 open. |
| 21:12.38 | symptom | so it says ssh is closed, but you are running it on port 42 so it is open, just not on the standard port. |
| 21:12.42 | valdyn | or hes just scanning his router |
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| 21:12.51 | valdyn | while he thinks he is scanning something else |
| 21:12.56 | totte | D'ohh... |
| 21:13.00 | totte | Alright. |
| 21:13.17 | symptom | valdyn, probably both. Didnt realize he had the router in there |
| 21:13.31 | valdyn | everyone starts scanning his network for open ports before understand what that even means |
| 21:13.34 | valdyn | or so it seems |
| 21:14.00 | symptom | totte, if you want to get to your ssh server from oustide your LAN then you can either forward port 42 (in the router settings) or set your ssh host as the DMZ. |
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| 21:14.12 | symptom | then do the scan and the site will show 42 open |
| 21:14.15 | valdyn | symptom: i dont know, but sftp would be typical for a router |
| 21:15.10 | totte | symptom: I can get to it from anywhere? It's a VPS. I must have misunderstood everything about ports and iptables I guess. |
| 21:15.25 | totte | It's a VPS far away from where I am, I mean. |
| 21:15.33 | totte | As in, it's not in my LAN. |
| 21:15.43 | valdyn | totte: thats great |
| 21:15.54 | valdyn | totte: so then you are likely really scanning the proper machine |
| 21:16.33 | symptom | the website might only scann common ports and not 42/nameservice |
| 21:16.49 | totte | Ah. |
| 21:16.50 | symptom | see you netstat -a output again.... notice that nameservice is LISTENING |
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| 21:17.21 | symptom | netstat -a translates the port number into the common service for that port. do netstat -an to see the actual port number. |
| 21:17.48 | valdyn | might aswell use -pan then |
| 21:17.51 | totte | symptom: Yeah... 42... :S |
| 21:19.38 | totte | So everything is as it should be I guess - and I'm better off using zenmap than random websites? |
| 21:19.53 | valdyn | totte: depends |
| 21:20.00 | valdyn | totte: maybe your isp blocks some ports |
| 21:20.06 | valdyn | totte: maybe it does not, we dont know |
| 21:20.27 | valdyn | totte: assuming your isp does not block anything your zenmap is better |
| 21:20.42 | symptom | totte, in general yes. but it is all about perspective. where are you trying to hit your server from, etc. |
| 21:20.55 | windparadise | Hello, pls how do I fix this issue? |
| 21:20.58 | valdyn | totte: but netstat is even better |
| 21:21.05 | windparadise | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:21.07 | windparadise | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.08 | windparadise | nstalled |
| 21:21.10 | windparadise | E: Broken packages |
| 21:21.12 | windparadise | root@storecomplex:~# |
| 21:21.18 | arghx | !dotdeb |
| 21:21.19 | dpkg | dotdeb is probably for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 21:21.32 | windparadise | hereis my sources list http://pastebin.com/Kcr00aPt |
| 21:21.40 | arghx | windparadise: uninstall ALL of dotdeb. and purge it too. then install squeeze packages |
| 21:21.56 | valdyn | totte: or if netstat shows everything in order then iptables is not required except to do the same thing in two places, probably as a precaution against mistakes |
| 21:21.58 | arghx | windparadise: we do not support dotdeb |
| 21:22.11 | windparadise | ok |
| 21:22.28 | totte | Alright, cool, thanks symptom, valdyn. I'll read some more about netstat and nmap. :) |
| 21:23.42 | cicerone | windparadise: get rid of those dotdeb packages. we told you that serveral times |
| 21:24.27 | windparadise | ok |
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| 21:57.17 | STF | hey guys how can i exlude directories when i use 7z? |
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| 21:57.54 | arghx | probably with a find --exec 7z.... command |
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| 21:59.36 | STF | i have tried with xr!.wine but that gives me this: "bash: !.wine: event not found" |
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| 21:59.52 | Dan39 | hello folks :) |
| 22:00.37 | Dan39 | is there a reason debian devs dont patch screen to allow longer TERM variable? |
| 22:00.46 | Dagger3 | STF: quote or escape the ! |
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| 22:02.16 | Iridos | STF, a) not sure what you think this would do and b) the shell interprets your "!". Use '-quotes around it |
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| 22:03.09 | Iridos | TERM=totally-fancy-sns-induced-termial-type-that-I-have-to-tell-all-my-friends-about? |
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| 22:04.08 | Iridos | I thought the generic limit on environment variables is... 255 chars? |
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| 22:05.44 | STF | whats means escaping? |
| 22:05.48 | quitte | is there some remote shell for connections with huge latency? something udp based, i guess? |
| 22:07.08 | arghx | quitte: you'd only want a line based one instead of a char based connection I guess. e.g. like IRC bouncers |
| 22:08.11 | quitte | text editors wouldn't work - but i guess i could work around that |
| 22:09.43 | Dan39 | Iridos: screen only accepts i think, a 20 character TERM by default |
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| 22:10.17 | Dan39 | Iridos: its a known thing, and patched in other distros. its simple as change a "20" to "32" in one of the files before compiling |
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| 22:10.51 | Dan39 | yea, its not too hard to compile it yourself with the patch, but that takes a couple minutes... |
| 22:10.56 | totte | Dan39: I switched to tmux. |
| 22:11.11 | Dan39 | yea i know about tmux |
| 22:12.42 | Iridos | but what TERM is actually longer than 20 characters? |
| 22:12.46 | Iridos | anyway |
| 22:12.53 | totte | Iridos: urxvt, one of them. |
| 22:13.09 | Iridos | Dan39, check the BTS, file a wishlist report if there is none |
| 22:13.15 | Iridos | totte, what does it use |
| 22:13.32 | Dan39 | Iridos: rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 22:13.32 | totte | rxvt-unicode-256-colors... I don't really remember... :S |
| 22:13.39 | totte | Right. |
| 22:13.46 | Iridos | ew |
| 22:13.52 | Dan39 | ew? |
| 22:13.54 | Dan39 | ew you |
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| 22:14.14 | Iridos | I mean: eww, rxvt-unicode-256color |
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| 22:17.02 | Iridos | Dan39, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491812 |
| 22:18.32 | Iridos | bump it and say that there's no problem with the patch and that distribution x, y and z use it |
| 22:18.53 | quitte | arghx: putty supports local line echo |
| 22:19.04 | Iridos | (if you are sure this is so) |
| 22:19.07 | Dan39 | Iridos: whats wrong with urxvt? |
| 22:19.28 | Iridos | nuffin |
| 22:19.38 | arghx | quitte: it's not the echo you need afaik. you need putty to "type" locally and only send when you press enter, instead with every character |
| 22:19.39 | Iridos | but for me all feels wrong with a TERM entry like this |
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| 22:20.05 | Dan39 | o well |
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| 22:20.17 | quitte | arghx: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#faq-localecho sounds like it can do that |
| 22:20.31 | quitte | arghx: local line editing |
| 22:20.59 | Iridos | Dan39, as I said... add to the bug report if you can. If this patch or a similar one is in use all over the place, the maintainer was just overly cautious |
| 22:21.07 | nyk2005 | Is there a repository that still has mysql4 (for squeeze) in it? I need it for a old DB in v4 format, as there's no other way to get the data, as far as I know. |
| 22:21.23 | arghx | nyk2005: no |
| 22:21.52 | nyk2005 | arghx: ah, too bad. And conversion of the binary db is also not possible? |
| 22:22.00 | arghx | but you can run a different "version" of debian inside a chroot perhaps? a version of debian that comes with mysql4? |
| 22:22.39 | nyk2005 | arghx: then I better just build mysql4 from source, that should be easy.. |
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| 22:22.53 | nyk2005 | arghx: I hope |
| 22:22.56 | Iridos | judd, versions mysql-common |
| 22:22.58 | judd | Package: mysql-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1 |
| 22:23.16 | Iridos | that's pre-lenny |
| 22:23.31 | Iridos | nyk2005, there never was mysql 4.x for squeeze... |
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| 22:24.33 | nyk2005 | Iridos: yes, the server was running sarge for many years, but now they made me upgrade to squezze, which broke the db.. |
| 22:25.18 | Iridos | nyk2005, I guess you can try to forward-port it the same way one usually backports stuff from testing/unstable... for the procedure see /msg dpkg ssb and also /msg dpkg snapshots to get the old source packages |
| 22:25.18 | arghx | nyk2005: did you upgrade frm sarge directly to squeeze? |
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| 22:27.30 | nyk2005 | arghx: yes, first I tried directly and failed. Then the vserver admin luckily had a backup-image and I was successful by upgrading in 2 steps, through etch, otherwise the kernel and udev got in an chicken-and-egg problem.. :) |
| 22:28.59 | nyk2005 | Iridos: thanks, I try! thanks for the link to the old sources, I wasn't yet able to get it from mysql.com, the site has turned into something horrible! |
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| 22:31.17 | arghx | nyk2005: you broke your system. to upgrade to squeeze you MUST upgrade to lenny first. |
| 22:31.34 | arghx | sarge - etch - lenny and then squeeze |
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| 22:32.26 | nyk2005 | arghx: ah yes, I was at lenny too. I mean the system is ok, just can't load the old /var/lib/myql data. |
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| 22:33.38 | Iridos | nyk2005, the full upgrade path should have taken care of that, though |
| 22:34.23 | nyk2005 | Iridos: it should have converted the binary mysql db to v5? |
| 22:34.52 | Iridos | nyk2005, only upgrades from one release to the next is supported, else you always hit additional problems |
| 22:35.29 | Iridos | nyk2005, or told you how to do it and to do it before proceeding the upgrade |
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| 22:37.16 | Iridos | nyk2005, _something_ should have been there to allow you a seamless upgrade... even if it's just a warning that tells you to export your database before upgrading from 4 to 5 ... I dunno... _some_ mysql databases are always around and I thought I did every upgrade step since potato |
| 22:37.22 | Iridos | so perhaps it was automatic |
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| 22:37.51 | Iridos | because I can't remember any database failing between etch and lenny... even if they didn't contain anything important |
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| 22:38.07 | nyk2005 | Iridos: I'm not sure, maybe I skipped a debian version in the process, I just wanted the system working, completely forgot about mysql. |
| 22:38.29 | malclocke | Anyone having troubles with the latest apache update wanting to install apache2-mpm-itk? |
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| 22:40.17 | nyk2005 | Iridos: ah, I saw something useful in /var/lib/mysql, it tells to run mysql_upgrade, so let's try that with v5! |
| 22:41.22 | Iridos | actually etch already used mysql5 |
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| 22:42.10 | Iridos | nyk2005, ah, right... and that's pretty likely integraged into the upgrade process somewhere... possibly just as text warning you, or it asks you if it should run it at that time |
| 22:42.35 | Iridos | oh well... gn |
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| 22:46.27 | nyk2005 | Iridos: hehe, it works! cool! thanks for the motivating hints! I just purged/reinstalled and re-copied the data. Must have been the old my.conf |
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| 22:50.24 | malclocke | if I do 'apt-get upgrade' apache2 my system wants to replace apache2-mpm-prefork with apache2-mpm-itk. If I do 'aptitude upgrade' it doesn't. |
| 22:53.18 | Fredxz | malclocke, aptitude probably does not track the dependencies properly? |
| 22:53.25 | Fredxz | Do you use aptitude or apt-get mainly? |
| 22:53.39 | Fredxz | If you install through apt-get, I do not think aptitude will setup a dependency structure. |
| 22:53.47 | Fredxz | But not entirely sure. |
| 22:54.14 | malclocke | manually I would normally use aptitude, but this is a machine with configuration management (puppet), which uses apt-get internally |
| 22:54.47 | Fredxz | I really have no idea how to restore a dependency structure really so aptitude would work properly for you in this particular case. |
| 22:55.15 | Iridos | malclocke, sounds more like one is a dist-upgrade, the other not |
| 22:55.37 | Fredxz | Also. |
| 22:55.49 | Fredxz | malclocke, aptitude upgrade is deprecated, you should use aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 22:56.13 | malclocke | Fredxz, sure |
| 22:56.17 | themill | Fredxz: there's no difference between the two |
| 22:56.36 | Iridos | hm, but actually I don't see why it would ever want to replace one by the other |
| 22:56.41 | Fredxz | themill, upon using upgrade, it will tell you it is deprecated, and advise you to stop using it and use safe-upgrade instead. |
| 22:56.44 | malclocke | Fredxz, the config management system has used 'apt-get install' internally |
| 22:56.46 | Fredxz | So I just do what it tells me really. |
| 22:57.01 | themill | malclocke: can you please pastebin the full output of both of them along with the output of "apt-cache policy apache2-mpm-itk apache2-mpm-prefork; apt-cache policy" |
| 22:57.14 | themill | Fredxz: that doesn't mean that there is a difference. |
| 22:57.40 | Iridos | <nitpick> yes it does, means there's an additional message </nitpick> |
| 22:58.21 | Iridos | these things are sometimes so hard to resist... so I think "why bother, just give in" |
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| 23:00.00 | malclocke | themill, http://pastebin.com/bbkDN4A2 |
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| 23:03.24 | malclocke | themill, that's on a machine that ran an upgrade unattended last night, and two things occurred: apache2-mpm-prefork was replaced with apache2-mpm-itk and libapache2-mod-php5 was replaced with libapache2-mod-php5filter |
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| 23:05.19 | Iridos | not what he asked for, though... and not sure how we should see any from that |
| 23:05.33 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have debian testing with kernel 3. My laptop is a lenov G470, the internal mic don't work. Any idea? |
| 23:06.18 | themill | malclocke: so it's a bit late now for us to work out what went on, is it? |
| 23:06.54 | malclocke | well, I have another machine that I haven't upgraded yet, it appears to want to do the same thing |
| 23:07.36 | somiaj | Ariel_Calzada: figure out why it isn't working. Have you used alsamixer and turned up/unumted the mic. If you are using the intel-hda driver you may have to specifiy a correct model= for it |
| 23:07.47 | themill | malclocke: can you pastebin the entire output of "apt-get -s upgrade" and "aptitude -s upgrade" then |
| 23:08.35 | Ariel_Calzada | somiaj: well the model is not in the file in /usr/share/doc/alsa-.... |
| 23:08.52 | Ariel_Calzada | somiaj: Conexant CX20590 |
| 23:10.32 | malclocke | themill, hmmm ... 'apt-get upgrade' doesn't want to make the changes, only 'apt-get -s install apache2' |
| 23:14.36 | malclocke | themill, ahhh ... here we go, here's the output of 'aptitude -s install apache2' http://pastebin.com/BKbQqpFp |
| 23:15.56 | themill | The apache2-mpm-worker package is starting out as a "broken" package. This should never be the case, and you'll find that the package management tools aren't entirely deterministic when trying to go from a bad state to a good state. (they can end up picking different strategies to achieve the goal) |
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| 23:16.52 | malclocke | so, that's {ab} ? |
| 23:17.35 | themill | a == automatically installed; b == broken |
| 23:17.48 | rawburt | I've installed xscreensaver and it's not starting up automatically. /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc contains: if test x"`which xscreensaver 2>/dev/null`" != x""; then\n xscreensaver -no-splash & |
| 23:17.53 | rawburt | any thoughts? |
| 23:17.57 | malclocke | themill, roger. Any way I can see why it's considered broken? |
| 23:18.55 | themill | malclocke: "aptitude -f" may give you hints; /var/log/dpkg.log (or other logs) may tell you. |
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| 23:20.49 | malclocke | themill, cool, thanks. Is showing as 'half configured' |
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| 23:24.06 | xelister | how to install minimalistic debian with almost no packages installed (e.g. no X system at all no destkop no nothing - it will be a server) |
| 23:24.22 | Iridos | rawburt, several ones... it's a horrible construct to avoid [ -x /path/to/file ] ... and what's the "\n" doing in there after then |
| 23:24.23 | themill | malclocke: the states are explained in "man dpkg"; it might be that a previous upgrade didn't quite complete correctly because the postinst didn't exit cleanly (for some reason...). Does "dpkg-reconfigure apache2-mpm-worker" succeed? |
| 23:24.47 | rww | xelister: during installation, uncheck "desktop environment" in the list of tasks to install |
| 23:24.57 | themill | xelister: just don't select anything other than "standard system" at the "tasksel" stage in the installer. |
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| 23:26.01 | arghx | xelister: you don't even need to install "standard system" if you don't want to |
| 23:26.19 | themill | it's highly recommended that you do |
| 23:26.33 | arghx | xelister: and you want to disable recommends too when installing stuff afterwards |
| 23:26.56 | malclocke | themill, neither box actually has apache2-mpm-worker installed. The one that has yet to upgrade would install it. The one that did upgrade chose 'libapache2-mpm-itk' |
| 23:27.25 | un214 | why was base-files updated? |
| 23:27.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres 'small server install' and then theres 'broken server install' - try to make sure you avoid the latter |
| 23:27.31 | xelister | arghx: if already it with installed, what would be fast way to remove all desktop etc unneded stuff |
| 23:27.31 | themill | malclocke: if it's {ab} then it's already installed. |
| 23:27.35 | themill | dpkg: tell un214 about 6.0.3 |
| 23:28.39 | arghx | xelister: /msg dpkg remove x /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 23:28.45 | malclocke | themill, nope '# aptitude show apache2-mpm-worker : State: not installed' |
| 23:29.00 | arghx | Kamping_Kaiser: how would it be broken? |
| 23:29.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats a 'how long is a piece of string' question |
| 23:30.26 | themill | arghx: trying to be too cool about what you have installed that you have a machine that's a pain in the arse to use is a great way. Recommends are enabled by default for a reason as is the standard task. |
| 23:30.51 | rawburt | the \n was just a demonstration.. |
| 23:31.25 | arghx | themill: on a server, they are useless. may I remind about recent dnet-common. or the way it likes to drag in X, etc |
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| 23:32.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | {{fact}} |
| 23:32.11 | themill | arghx: I've never seen X get dragged in on a server via any dependency chain recommends or otherwise; dnet-common is not a problem in stable and that is what you would be installing on a server. |
| 23:32.20 | arghx | as for tasksel standard, yes I have to install stuff like less manually, but I do it and it's fine. apt works, dpkg works and the network does too after an installation without any tasksel and that's all one needs |
| 23:33.11 | themill | sure, you can spend the next few weeks manually installing each of these things that you can't believe aren't already on the machine. Have fun with that. I have a life to get on with. |
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| 23:34.58 | un214 | themill: I've seen it |
| 23:35.23 | un214 | First time I tried to install iceweasel on server (for remote X) it wanted to drag down X server |
| 23:35.33 | themill | !pal un214 |
| 23:35.33 | dpkg | points at un214 and laughs uproariously |
| 23:35.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | shakes his head and goes elseware |
| 23:36.14 | themill | (and aptitude install iceweasel does not install xorg) |
| 23:36.46 | un214 | seems that's been fixed then |
| 23:37.17 | *** part/#debian rawburt (~robert@pdpc/supporter/professional/exes) |
| 23:39.15 | themill | un214: it wasn't the case in lenny either. (and you really need to be asking yourself wtf you would install iceweasel on a server) |
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| 23:39.57 | un214 | answer: because lynx is no longer fully suitable in this web 2.0 world |
| 23:41.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | protip: use a desktop for that |
| 23:42.07 | un214 | when the object is to hunt down a package that can't be grabbed by apt-get for use on the server, the use the desktop is the wrong answer |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | uhm, you can find the URL on your desktop? |
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| 23:45.26 | multi_io | is it possible that "pvscan" does or does not detect PVs, depending on the currently running kernel version? |
| 23:46.02 | multi_io | I'm upgrading from 2.6.24 to 3.0.0 (both binary kernel packages compiled from the respective source package), and this is what I see |
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