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| 00:06.11 | iluminator101 | how do i print barcode out for certain numbers |
| 00:06.37 | abrotman | there's a barcode font |
| 00:06.58 | iluminator101 | abrotman, how? |
| 00:07.35 | abrotman | i think i just said? |
| 00:07.54 | iluminator101 | k ah okay |
| 00:07.59 | iluminator101 | thanks |
| 00:09.39 | iluminator101 | I will be back |
| 00:09.46 | abrotman | yay |
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| 00:23.22 | lotus-blade | is there any way to tell what speed my nic is running to the router? it is a gigabit eth card |
| 00:23.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | mii-tool |
| 00:23.49 | un214 | try pinging the router with ping -f about 100 times concurrently |
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| 00:24.09 | abrotman | un214: wtf |
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| 00:27.25 | zleslie | Hello |
| 00:27.32 | zleslie | How can I determin if a service is enabled at boot time? |
| 00:28.02 | un214 | zleslie: ls /etc/rc?.d/S*servicename |
| 00:28.22 | zleslie | Is there a way to do it with invoke-rc.d? |
| 00:28.24 | zleslie | or other method? |
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| 00:30.09 | zleslie | I am looking at the --query option of invoke-rc.d, but its not clear to me how it should be used |
| 00:30.33 | zleslie | For example, on my squeeze box; invoke-rc.d --query ssh start; echo $? give 105 |
| 00:30.38 | zleslie | which is unknown |
| 00:30.45 | zleslie | so, um, why is it unknown? |
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| 00:32.18 | zleslie | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
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| 00:32.35 | zleslie | Says that its an issue with the initscript |
| 00:32.42 | zleslie | thats anoying |
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| 00:49.42 | FunkyBob | I know this may be an odd question.... but how do I find out which version of the kernel was shipped originally in squeeze? |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | which ABI or which package version? |
| 00:51.30 | FunkyBob | package version |
| 00:52.15 | FunkyBob | I've noticed a significant performance regression on one of our servers [ in a specific obscure case ] and it appears to be connected to the kernel update |
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| 00:52.54 | abrotman | FunkyBob: easiest might be to find a 6.0.0 netinst |
| 00:53.05 | abrotman | FunkyBob: perhaps look at changelogs? security updates, etc |
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| 00:53.24 | blast_hardcheese | FunkyBob: Also, check out which-pkg-broke, a command in debian-goodies |
| 00:54.14 | blast_hardcheese | When run on a package it'll list all the deps of that package and when they were last updated |
| 00:54.31 | blast_hardcheese | Possibly a kernel thing, could be something else |
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| 00:57.43 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 01:10.05 | piney0 | Hello. I am hoping someone can help me get a static IP working on squeeze. What i configured seems to be working, except that after a reboot of the computer I have to manually initiate 'sudo ifup eth0' to get the interface working again. What do I need to do next? |
| 01:10.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | piney0: do you have an auto eth0 line? |
| 01:10.40 | piney0 | my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/1dd7Cu57 |
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| 01:10.58 | abrotman | that should say "allow-hotplug eth0" |
| 01:11.09 | piney0 | ahh |
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| 01:12.59 | piney0 | That fixed it. Thanks! |
| 01:13.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman++ |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | preface it with a ! :) |
| 01:14.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | !abrotman++ |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | dpkg: karma abrotman |
| 01:14.32 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 48 |
| 01:14.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | just for you :) |
| 01:14.54 | FunkyBob | can't help reading ! as "not" |
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| 01:16.20 | FluxD | how how can I use resize2fs to extend a ext4 partition to maximum size by including the free space? |
| 01:20.43 | un214 | FluxD: well if you don't get an easy answer, want a hard one? |
| 01:20.56 | FluxD | un214, since its the only answer sure :) |
| 01:21.14 | un214 | copy everything off with tar, reformat to the larger size, then copy everything back |
| 01:21.59 | FluxD | un214, its a gpt partition table with > 2 tb drive |
| 01:22.13 | un214 | and how much space used? |
| 01:22.17 | FunkyBob | but is it >2tb of content? |
| 01:22.22 | FluxD | no |
| 01:22.31 | FluxD | let me paste what I see from parted |
| 01:23.57 | FluxD | Here is output from parted http://pastebin.ca/2088527 |
| 01:24.50 | FluxD | I want to extend the free space into last partition |
| 01:24.58 | un214 | so what's the reason resize2fs didn't work? |
| 01:25.47 | FluxD | un214, I am not sure on the syntax |
| 01:25.59 | un214 | man resize2fs is your friend |
| 01:27.23 | FluxD | un214, would I do resize2fs /dev/sda1 I am really not sure |
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| 01:57.54 | un214 | I don't think sda1 can grow |
| 01:58.32 | un214 | from your pastebin only sda4 can grow |
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| 02:06.40 | wisc | hi, i'm doing a debian netinstall right now, and i'd like to know what the "laptop" and "standard system utilities" package groups consist of. is there a command i could run to see what they are or perhaps they're listed on debian's website? |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | wisc: tasksel --task-packages foo .. but generally, you want standard, and laptop can be useful |
| 02:07.51 | peterrooney | dpkg: laptop task |
| 02:07.51 | dpkg | Laptop task packages in Squeeze: acpi, acpid, acpi-support, anacron, apmd, avahi-autoipd, bluetooth, cpufrequtils, pcmciautils, pm-utils, powertop, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant. Ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 02:08.20 | peterrooney | dpkg: server task |
| 02:08.20 | dpkg | From the Debian Squeeze <installation guide> §6.3.5.2: "The various server tasks will install software roughly as follows. DNS server: bind9; File server: samba, nfs; Mail server: exim4, spamassassin, uw-imap; Print server: cups; SQL database: postgresql; Web server: apache2." Ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 02:09.07 | wisc | abrotman: thanks. if you don't mind me asking. what does "foo" stand for? |
| 02:09.20 | peterrooney | wisc: foo is a generic variable name. |
| 02:09.59 | jordanm | The server tasks are probably the least useful of the bunch |
| 02:10.21 | peterrooney | replace with whatever is actually appropriate. eg. " tasksel --task-packages server" or "tasksel --task-packages laptop" |
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| 02:12.02 | wisc | peterrooney: thanks a lot. :) can't decide whether or not to install the laptop packages though. does the acpid package make any difference in power consumption? |
| 02:12.16 | jordanm | 2011-10-09 22:12 -!- adam8157 [~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157] has joined #debian |
| 02:12.16 | jordanm | 2011-10-09 22:12 < wisc> peterrooney: thanks a lot. :) can't decide whether or not to install the laptop packages though. does the acpid package make any difference in power consumption? |
| 02:12.42 | jordanm | erm, sorry for paste.. wisc: yes, but it would likely be pulled in by gnome already |
| 02:12.54 | wisc | jordanm: i see. i'm going to install xfce4 though |
| 02:15.02 | jordanm | wisc: you can always install the package later outside of the task |
| 02:15.34 | wisc | jordanm: i guess that makes sense. thank you, i really appreciate all your help |
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| 02:37.13 | iluminator101 | how do you get barcode read 8912 to be entered in when it read |
| 02:37.16 | iluminator101 | how do you get barcode read 8912 to be entered in when it reads |
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| 02:41.59 | oobe | dpkg, bark |
| 02:41.59 | dpkg | barks, like a rabid dog. |
| 02:42.50 | un214 | dpgk, sleep |
| 02:43.16 | un214 | dpkg, sleep |
| 02:43.16 | dpkg | i heard sleep is for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 02:50.05 | RA3OR | dpkg, moan |
| 02:50.06 | dpkg | ohhhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, oh yes, tpa, again, ohh....... |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | leave the bot alone |
| 02:51.11 | RA3OR | no, it loves me |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | stop fucking with the bot |
| 02:51.24 | RA3OR | dpkg, rape |
| 02:51.24 | dpkg | it has been said that rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level. |
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| 02:51.37 | RA3OR | I agree |
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| 02:51.42 | sdz | can urxvt settings (not available from Cntr+MiddleClick) be changed while it's running? |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | RA3OR: go play somewhere lese |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | else |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | sdz: i'd imagine not .. you may want to be more specific |
| 02:53.22 | sdz | colors... fonts... transparency... etc |
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| 02:59.44 | alazare619 | can someone help me preseed debian-installer |
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| 03:01.40 | un214 | alazare619: http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html |
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| 03:02.43 | alazare619 | ... |
| 03:03.06 | alazare619 | could someone please explain how to preseed hostname in debian-installer for me |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | un214: please stop |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | alazare619: this is explained in the installation manual |
| 03:04.23 | alazare619 | yes but its not working properly hense the question |
| 03:04.31 | alazare619 | i have hostname=shard in d-i preseed |
| 03:04.37 | alazare619 | and its not processing it for some reason |
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| 03:04.41 | alazare619 | heres my preseed file |
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| 03:05.53 | zodiak | hey guys and gals, is there a 'proper' firefox/thunderbird repo for wheezy ? |
| 03:06.11 | alazare619 | firmware-ipw2x00firmware-ipw2x00/license/acceptedbooleantrue |
| 03:06.11 | alazare619 | d-i netcfg/get_hostname string shard-linux |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | zodiak: it's called Iceweasel in Debian |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | alazare619: paste the whole file |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | in a pastebin |
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| 03:07.02 | alazare619 | that is the whole file abrot |
| 03:07.43 | zodiak | abrotman, oh, I know, but (for example) thunderbird is at 7.0.1 .. icedove is at 3.1.7 |
| 03:07.47 | zodiak | are they the same ? |
| 03:08.21 | alazare619 | http://pastebin.com/P9T3AQeu |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | zodiak: i think they've been concentrating on FF |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | zodiak: and to be fair .. this new numbering scheme is silly .. 7.x thunderbird is barely different from 3.1 |
| 03:09.18 | alazare619 | no.. |
| 03:09.21 | zodiak | hrm. It jst seems.. 'klunky' to download the tarball for thunderbird and put it into my $HOME |
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| 03:09.59 | zodiak | abrotman, perhaps. |
| 03:10.04 | abrotman | alazare619: tried a different hostname? |
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| 03:10.16 | alazare619 | not yet |
| 03:10.22 | alazare619 | could i just make it be hostname= |
| 03:10.25 | alazare619 | since its an alias? |
| 03:10.34 | alazare619 | or would it still be d-i hostname= |
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| 03:11.33 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 03:11.33 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | see the wiki |
| 03:11.58 | PrestonL | I'm wanting to use stalonetray with QVWM and have it dock in the system tray next to the time. How can I make stalonetray run as a "normal" window so that it QVWM can grab it into it's system tray when launched as a system tray app from within QVWM? |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | zoki really dislike this new numbering scheme .. it's rather silly |
| 03:12.29 | abrotman | zodiak: ^^ |
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| 03:14.46 | RA3OR | thanks |
| 03:15.19 | zodiak | abrotman, and, as I feared, enigmail doesn't work on icedove in wheezy |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | sorry, should have magically happened .. not sure why it didn't |
| 03:15.27 | zodiak | see, this is why we can't have nice things :p |
| 03:15.31 | abrotman | zodiak: does it work in 7.x / |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:15.37 | zodiak | yup |
| 03:15.41 | zodiak | f sake |
| 03:15.54 | abrotman | zodiak: well, i've had to manually alter RDF files before to get things to work .. |
| 03:16.00 | zodiak | alrighty.. time to jst use a tarball uncompressed into my ~ |
| 03:16.03 | zodiak | danke |
| 03:16.53 | zodiak | ooooer |
| 03:16.59 | zodiak | that's .. jst not right |
| 03:17.22 | zodiak | I get the feeling that icedove/weasels "cure" is worse than the disease really |
| 03:18.15 | abrotman | zodiak: blame mozilla, not us |
| 03:19.10 | karlpinc | zodiak: No, because you can always go to mozilla and do things their way if you don't like the debian packages. (And, yes, it's a shame about the name but ....) |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 03:19.26 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 03:21.03 | zodiak | I know this is probably one of those topics that comes up a fair bit, but, couldn't you jst stick the firefox/thunderbird into non-free ? |
| 03:21.27 | zodiak | I can't even find the packages in there (the non-free I mean) |
| 03:22.04 | somiaj | zodiak: why when we can just remove the branding and put it into free. Its mostly the logos that are different. |
| 03:22.38 | zodiak | somiaj, I see you have never had to try and support a parental unit ;) |
| 03:24.14 | karlpinc | zodiak: It's not a problem for me. Once you get past the Word-is-not-on-your-computer stage everything else is a gimme. |
| 03:24.22 | somiaj | zodiak: running the static linked libs from firefox.org work just fine too. You dn't have to install stuff via debian if you really want the firefox logo. |
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| 03:24.47 | zodiak | karlpinc, fair point .. thankfully they mostly use 'the web and mail' :) |
| 03:25.16 | zodiak | somiaj, I know, I can (and am) installing the tarballs into ~ .. I jst wondered if there was a cleaner/nicer/saner way |
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| 03:28.05 | somiaj | zodiak: put them in /usr/local and link/put a script in /usr/local/bin if you care for multiple users to have access to them |
| 03:28.49 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:37.18 | peterrooney | still wonders about the difference between /opt and /usrl/local, even after reading the documentation |
| 03:38.36 | karlpinc | Humm. I just did an upgrade to 6.0.3 from 6.0.2 and got a bunch of "unknown media type" errors. Partial paste at: http://paste.debian.net/135354/ What's going on and do I need to worry? |
| 03:39.17 | karlpinc | peterrooney: You read the fhs? |
| 03:41.28 | somiaj | peterrooney: probabaly static linked vs dynamic linked. /usr/local default provides orginization for /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib /usr/local/share, while opt is more /opt/app-name orginization |
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| 03:41.54 | karlpinc | Basicly opt is for random wacky shit, usually from proprietary vendors, and requires additions to $PATH to work, usually. Whereas /usr/local copies the usual Un*x hierarchy, requires, at most, one set of changes to $PATH instead of one per thing-installed-in-opt, and is generally where the sane admin puts unpackaged stuff. |
| 03:41.54 | peterrooney | karlpinc: you bet. the only difference i could see was the wording |
| 03:42.23 | peterrooney | karlpinc: it's a really boring read. |
| 03:42.47 | karlpinc | peterrooney: You must be missing one of the Un*x genes. ;-) |
| 03:42.49 | peterrooney | or perhaps i should say, 'Dry.' |
| 03:43.07 | peterrooney | I mean, I was interested enough to read it in the first place. |
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| 03:43.50 | peterrooney | so, /opt is where you put things if you want to be like MS Windows' Start Menu? |
| 03:44.18 | karlpinc | It's handy to put your configs, as well as any configs you frob, into /usr/local/etc/ and then symlink them back to /etc/. Or, just put symlinks in /usr/local/etc/ to show what you touched. |
| 03:44.21 | somiaj | then they use thinks like 'stow' on top of /usr/local for orgnization so you don't have everything jumbled in the same hirachy. |
| 03:44.31 | karlpinc | peterrooney: I don't know enough about MS stuff any more, but that sounds likely right. |
| 03:45.07 | somiaj | well /usr/local/bin is in most default $PATH and /usr/local/lib is looked at for linkers so if you put stuff there you don't have to do extra config. |
| 03:45.30 | karlpinc | (Or do something even more sane like use a version control system, symlinks the cheap solution.) |
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| 03:49.56 | somiaj | karlpinc: shared-mime-info -- have you checked the bts for that. Unsure how much of an issue it will be depending on how much you use the types that wern't found |
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| 03:52.56 | wisc | hi, does anyone here have any experience setting up a wireless connection inside of a netinstall environment? i have a broadcom 4313 card, but i can't get it to work, and using an ethernet connection to install it isn't really an option. i've tried loading the broadcom and bcm80211 modules (not at the same time, ofc), and redectecting my network hardware, but that didn't do anything either. any ideas? |
| 03:53.03 | karlpinc | somiaj: Just took at quick look at the bts. I don't see anything, but I also didn't try to go back and look at all the closed bugs in case it's been fixed post-squeeze. (I once filed a bug report about not being able to find bugs fixed but still in stable.) It probably won't be an issue. Thanks. |
| 03:53.29 | karlpinc | wisc: You know about non-free firmware? |
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| 03:54.20 | Gm4n | My mdadm is reporting degradedarray events, how do I tell what's going on? (mdstat shows UUUU_UU, is the _ a bad drive?) |
| 03:54.22 | somiaj | wisc: type 'dmesg' and you may see some errors about unable to load firmware. debian removes the non-free firmware blobs from the kernel and puts them in non-free sources not on the netinstall cd. But easy enough to copy over. |
| 03:54.29 | wisc | karlpinc: ish. i've downloaded the deb package for my network card, but the question is how to get it to work? dpkg is not recognised |
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| 03:55.35 | wisc | somiaj: thanks. how can i install the firmware though? i've got the deb file on my usb stick |
| 03:55.36 | karlpinc | This reminds me. There's one computer that seems to take about 20 seconds to come up with a "which printer" dialog (gnome). I suspect it's trying some sort of network discovery and timing out. Is there a way to get rid of this delay? (I don't want to spend lots of time right now but thought I'd ask. It sounds like one of those avahi annoyances.) |
| 03:56.10 | karlpinc | wisc: There's instructions in the install guide. I forget the details. |
| 03:56.46 | somiaj | wisc: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:56.47 | karlpinc | wisc: (It's easy. I remember that.) |
| 03:57.37 | wisc | somiaj: like i said, i've tried doing that in another terminal, but it says that the command dpkg is not recognised |
| 03:57.48 | wisc | karlpinc: trying to find the guide right now :) thanks for the tip |
| 03:57.56 | karlpinc | !tell wisc about ig |
| 03:58.08 | somiaj | wisc: have your rebooted into the install or are you still using the installer? |
| 03:58.20 | karlpinc | somiaj: I think he's still in the installer. |
| 03:58.48 | wisc | somiaj: neither. since i couldn't get my wireless connection to work i had to reboot into a working system to find a fix for it |
| 03:59.34 | somiaj | wisc: the installer contains the base system. You can just install that then boot into the os. Copy the firmware over and rmmod, modprobve the wireless driver to get it up |
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| 04:00.22 | somiaj | wisc: if your in the installer and the base system has been copied to (/media/target I belive or /mnt/target type mount to see) you can just 'chroot /mnt/target' and run the command from inside the chroot |
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| 04:00.46 | karlpinc | wisc: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
| 04:01.18 | karlpinc | wisc: It's possible you need to be in expert mode in the installer. (I don't think so. I haven't RTFMed :) |
| 04:02.05 | windparadise | hello, how do we reinstall with apt-get? |
| 04:02.15 | wisc | karlpinc: i've been in the expert install all along. :P what i find weird is it doesn't even ask me whether i want to load any additional firmware |
| 04:02.22 | windparadise | I was configuring an installing application before the connection went off |
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| 04:03.00 | somiaj | windparadise: apt-get --reinstall install <foo> |
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| 04:04.20 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/private/s0hmo5eifazbbb76hwsmjg Any chance anyone here can tell me why libRETS is a retarded fail that says Python doesn't exist when the compiler says it does? |
| 04:05.19 | Accelerator | Won't detect it with or without swif bindings. |
| 04:05.22 | wisc | brb |
| 04:05.25 | amero | can we install non debian linux os'es in chroot? |
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| 04:05.53 | somiaj | amero: sure you can. |
| 04:06.04 | karlpinc | windparadise: The link I sent says it does ask. |
| 04:06.28 | windparadise | euh, which link is that? |
| 04:06.43 | karlpinc | windparadise: Whoops. Bad autocompletion. Not you. |
| 04:06.48 | windparadise | ok |
| 04:07.42 | amero | somiaj: how do i get their debootstrap? |
| 04:08.11 | amero | eg centos |
| 04:08.28 | arghx | amero: packages.debian.org download it, unpack the archive (alien for example) and run it |
| 04:08.46 | somiaj | amero: centos doesn't have one, but there is a way you can use yum to do a similar thing I found once. Ask centos or google. You can install yum on debian. |
| 04:09.26 | amero | :) |
| 04:09.32 | arghx | somiaj: he needs to run debootstrap on centos. there yum doesn't help in any way |
| 04:09.35 | somiaj | amero: I have only read of how one could do it, never got as far as actually making a centos chroot myself. |
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| 04:10.18 | karlpinc | thinks alien is a "solution" that enables mis-adiministration. |
| 04:10.36 | somiaj | arghx: he wants to install a centos chroot from debian so needs a centos alternative was the impression I got. |
| 04:11.27 | karlpinc | amero: Why would you run it in a choot? Why not just put it in a vm? |
| 04:11.40 | arghx | karlpinc: alien is fine. as long as you remember to only let it create tgz wich you can then easily unpack and neve ever create a rpm or deb |
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| 04:12.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a cli to invoke a switch user? |
| 04:12.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | for gdm? |
| 04:12.31 | karlpinc | arghx: Then you may as well get a tgz in the first place and avoid alien entirely. |
| 04:12.37 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: are you wanting to launch another x-session? |
| 04:12.44 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: or just swithc user with say 'su - user' |
| 04:13.36 | arghx | karlpinc: not everything is available as tar.gz. e.g. debootstrap fromfrom pdo :) |
| 04:15.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | another xsession in fluxbox please stumpwm wont start keepassx for somereason and I want to figure out if its the app or stump |
| 04:15.11 | karlpinc | arghx: tar -xzf foo.tgz; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; make install; everything is available as some such. |
| 04:15.54 | arghx | karlpinc: yes it is. but it would be moronic to do it like that when you have a perfectly fine binary |
| 04:15.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | so um how? |
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| 04:17.45 | karlpinc | arghx: Why's that? You'd be mornic not to use something packaged for your distro because you're going to have all kinds of system integration headaches otherwise. If you're not clever enough to get the source and work with it you're surely not clever enough to manage the sysadmin headaches you'll get if you install binaries from downloaded from random places on the net. |
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| 04:18.14 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-548178-view-previous.html?sid=d839d276b16282fae2856a497ce8ab2b |
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| 04:19.14 | kenifanying | hi all, I have installed wordnet and wordnet-gui in squeeze, but i can't start wordnet-gui. any suggestion? |
| 04:20.09 | arghx | karlpinc: usually such .tgz files work since it's often some shitty proprietary software which isonly packaged for rh where you don't get source to begin with. and in this case it's (c)debootstrap which runs fine in any other distro since it's written exactly for that |
| 04:20.34 | arghx | kenifanying: my suggestion is to tell us why you can't start it |
| 04:20.35 | somiaj | kenifanying: have you ran the binary from a terminal and looked for any errors. |
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| 04:22.43 | kenifanying | arghx, sorry, I installed wordnet-gui, but i can't find any program named wordnet-gui |
| 04:23.09 | somiaj | kenifanying: dpkg -L wordnet-gui to get the list of files it installed, looke for things in /usr/bin |
| 04:23.53 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.54 | dpkg | ii <package> |grep bin 3.1-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:24.19 | kenifanying | somiaj, oh, thanks! I find it, it's named wnb! |
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| 04:53.22 | k-man | anyone know how I might make shairport: https://github.com/albertz/shairport share my audio device rather than hog it from mythtv? |
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| 04:59.19 | Big_Brother | what's a good program for system temps (CPU/motherboard/GPU/ETC) ? |
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| 05:07.10 | arghx | Big_Brother: conky, gkrellm, etc |
| 05:07.22 | somiaj | Big_Brother: depending on your DE they may have a little applet already set up. You can use something like conky if you want a full system monintor to configure. |
| 05:09.21 | Fredxz | I am configuring exim4, but I do not really know how to configure it to just send out email. |
| 05:09.27 | Fredxz | I have the Debian documentation with me. |
| 05:09.33 | Fredxz | Do I configure it as Internet site? |
| 05:09.39 | Fredxz | I do not have any SMTP server installed or so. |
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| 05:10.25 | arghx | Fredxz: for starters yes, internet site |
| 05:10.50 | Big_Brother | somiaj: it's gnome 2(?). |
| 05:11.40 | Fredxz | Can I test it by sending otu test mail somehow? |
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| 05:12.32 | somiaj | Big_Brother: gnome may have a system monintor applet you can just put thien the pannell but I wouldn't know of one since I don't use it |
| 05:13.19 | arghx | Fredxz: of course you can test it by sending a mail.. you actually should |
| 05:13.28 | Fredxz | How? |
| 05:13.40 | Fredxz | I only installed exim4 so unattended-upgrades can send me emails. |
| 05:13.43 | arghx | by using any mail client? |
| 05:13.54 | Fredxz | I do not use this server to deal with my mail. |
| 05:13.57 | Fredxz | I only want it to send out mails. |
| 05:14.14 | arghx | but that doesn't you will be able to send mail to evey recipient. this mailserver runs in a data center or in your honme LAN? |
| 05:14.23 | Fredxz | Data center. |
| 05:14.33 | Fredxz | sendmail is a command I can use? |
| 05:14.39 | Fredxz | I am trying to look up what parameters I need to feed it. |
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| 05:16.59 | Fredxz | Well I just use the mail command and it just does nothing but keep the input for itself. |
| 05:17.02 | Fredxz | Unless I Control + C. |
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| 05:28.31 | ar9 | how do I swtich from squeeze-updates to sid? |
| 05:29.26 | somiaj | ar9: if you have to ask you probabaly shouldn't be running sid. |
| 05:30.06 | ar9 | somiaj: i switched from squueze-updates to sid main contrib and such |
| 05:30.21 | ar9 | somiaj: didn't do anything :| |
| 05:30.28 | somiaj | what did you switch? |
| 05:31.00 | ar9 | somiaj: software sources under synaptic |
| 05:31.57 | somiaj | are you wanting to run sid as you os (and fix any bugs you run into, you will run into bugs) or do you just want something of a newer version than squeeze? |
| 05:32.42 | ar9 | somiaj: latter |
| 05:32.53 | ar9 | i want aptosid |
| 05:33.01 | ar9 | but without installing that |
| 05:33.09 | somiaj | ar9: do not install sid packages on squeeze. That is one good way to break your system. Get a backport |
| 05:33.11 | Big_Brother | it seems my login screen has changed to something less than it was before. how do i change what wm i log into now? |
| 05:33.13 | somiaj | !backports |
| 05:33.13 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:34.21 | ar9 | somiaj: meh test computer please ignore |
| 05:34.27 | dvs | somiaj: He's breaking his system on OFTC |
| 05:34.36 | ar9 | what he said |
| 05:34.46 | ar9 | ive got another computer with stable on it |
| 05:35.05 | ar9 | just want to see how sid will do on this system :D |
| 05:35.30 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 05:35.30 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 05:35.49 | somiaj | ar9: replace /squeeze/ with /sid/ in /etc/apt/sources.list and then update and dist-upgrade. |
| 05:36.55 | ar9 | somiaj: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main contrib non-free? |
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| 05:37.16 | ar9 | somiaj: comment it out? |
| 05:38.16 | somiaj | no add sid sources and remove your squeeze ones. Easiest to just use 'sid' in place of 'squeeze-proposed-updates' in that example |
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| 05:42.51 | ar9 | somiaj: woops, wrong soruces |
| 05:45.34 | Big_Brother | how do i change what WM i log in to? |
| 05:46.01 | somiaj | Big_Brother: depends on how you start X. If using gdm there should be a menu to select the 'session' |
| 05:46.30 | Big_Brother | somiaj: that was how i used to change it but i couldn't find that when i tried just now. |
| 05:46.37 | Big_Brother | well, a few minutes ago. |
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| 05:48.15 | ar9 | try killalll xorg then start kdm if youre gonig for kde |
| 05:52.42 | Big_Brother | i wanted an openbox WM though |
| 05:52.43 | jokar | hello all |
| 05:52.45 | jokar | o/ all |
| 05:52.51 | Big_Brother | #! uses it and it seems rather easy. |
| 05:52.59 | jokar | can you help me for configure honeyd? |
| 05:54.55 | Big_Brother | i think maybe i should just install #!. |
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| 06:04.12 | spal | Does Debian 6 provide Linux 3.0 kernel? |
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| 06:53.41 | qiyong | how do I purge all r status pkgs? |
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| 06:57.03 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 06:57.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 07:03.31 | spal | Is aptitude still the preferred command or it doesn't make a difference now whether we use apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 07:05.39 | Bushmills | !why aptitude |
| 07:05.39 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 07:06.05 | Bushmills | !why not aptitude |
| 07:06.05 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 07:09.13 | felidae | i just did a normal "aptitude upgrade", and there were no problems, except it said "the following are recommended but will not be installed". is there a way to make aptitude (or apt-get for that matter) install those recommended debs by default, even if most of them are just doc packages? |
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| 07:11.26 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me how to get the latest version of ERROR: libx264 version must be >= 0.115. ? |
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| 07:12.30 | threadlock | felidae: I think adding APT::Install-Recommends "1"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf should do it |
| 07:13.06 | peterrooney | felidae: also, --with-recommends on command line |
| 07:13.38 | peterrooney | ,versions libx264 |
| 07:13.40 | judd | No package named 'libx264' was found in i386. |
| 07:14.10 | peterrooney | ,versions ffmpeg # whoops |
| 07:14.10 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.4-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.4-1; sid: 4:0.7.2-1; wheezy: 4:0.7.2-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2squeeze2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.8.4-0.1; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8.5-0.0 |
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| 07:15.39 | mondragon | Is there documentation anywhere that explains how dpkg resolves what package versions are "newer" than others? |
| 07:15.55 | mondragon | (e.g., whether 4.2.1-rc1 is newer than 4.2.1-1) |
| 07:17.12 | felidae | threadlock, peterrooney , thanks! |
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| 07:20.26 | spal | "aptitude upgrade" is not documented in the man page but it works. Is it equivalent to safe-upgrade or full-upgrade? |
| 07:26.59 | Agiofws | ERROR: libx264 version must be >= 0.115. |
| 07:27.22 | Agiofws | i compile latest /home/agiofws/x264/x264_0.svn20111010-1_i386.deb install it with check install and shity ffmpeg spits out an error ERROR: libx264 version must be >= 0.115. wtf |
| 07:27.28 | Agiofws | someone please tell me whose fault this is |
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| 07:43.25 | saju_m | how remove repository "apt-add-repository -r ppa:nova-core/trunk" not working , apt-add-repository: error: no such option: -r |
| 07:46.03 | ompaul | saju_m: as root edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:46.19 | ompaul | ppa is ubuntu leads to broken boxes |
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| 07:47.01 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 07:47.01 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 07:47.10 | ompaul | saju_m: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:47.43 | saju_m | yes |
| 07:47.58 | spal | Just like Apache is very popular as a web server, what's commonly used for setting up email? |
| 07:47.59 | saju_m | where i could not find nova-core/trunk |
| 07:48.30 | saju_m | ompaul: /etc/apt/sources.lis, there i could not find nova-core/trunk |
| 07:48.47 | nickmoeck | saju_m: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 07:49.41 | saju_m | just comment those lines, right ??? |
| 07:49.58 | nickmoeck | yeah |
| 07:50.36 | saju_m | can i remove this file nova-core-trunk-lucid.list |
| 07:50.55 | saju_m | nova-core-trunk-lucid.list.save |
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| 07:51.12 | nickmoeck | should be able to, yes |
| 07:51.32 | nickmoeck | Probably a stupid question but... if I'm writing an application for debian, and it has a database (sqlite3), where would I put that database file? |
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| 07:51.45 | nickmoeck | according to the FHS, that is |
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| 07:54.04 | peterrooney | mondragon: I don't know 'how', but dpkg has a command line option to compare two package versions |
| 07:54.21 | mondragon | peterrooney: ah, good idea, I can at least maybe infer it from a bunch of tests |
| 07:54.46 | ompaul | nickmoeck: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 07:55.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | nickmoeck: well... you should support havin the files placed in arbitrary locations |
| 07:55.29 | themill | !version compare |
| 07:55.30 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version , <version epoch>, <debian revision>. |
| 07:55.38 | ompaul | apt-cache policy package |
| 07:55.41 | nickmoeck | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, I do already, but I'd like a proper default |
| 07:55.46 | nickmoeck | ompaul: thanks for the link |
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| 07:56.31 | peterrooney | mondragon: apparently, I did know how, but I didn't know it. |
| 07:56.40 | ompaul | nickmoeck: morning Kamping_Kaiser |
| 07:56.42 | peterrooney | !themill++ |
| 07:56.47 | mondragon | peterrooney: :-) |
| 07:57.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: gday |
| 07:57.42 | ompaul | your phone it rings |
| 07:57.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | crap. /me runs |
| 07:58.39 | nickmoeck | Hm. seems there's no standard location for that kind of thing |
| 07:59.15 | mondragon | ah crud, so 0.4.2-rc1 is a higher version than 0.4.1...this makes sense, but is not what I want.. :-) |
| 07:59.20 | peterrooney | nickmoeck: it's likely it belongs in /usr/share/<app>/whatever |
| 08:00.11 | peterrooney | nickmoeck: "Any program or package which contains or requires data that doesn't need to be modified should store that data in /usr/share (or /usr/local/share, if installed locally). It is recommended that a subdirectory be used in /usr/share for this purpose." (FHS 2.3) |
| 08:00.18 | nickmoeck | except that /usr/share is for read only data |
| 08:00.46 | jelly-home | mondragon: worse, 0.4.2-rc1 is higher than 0.4.2 |
| 08:01.10 | peterrooney | nickmoeck: so, who changes this data and when? |
| 08:01.28 | mondragon | jelly-home: I had somehow convinced myself that 0.4.2-1 was higher, but alas...yeah |
| 08:01.30 | mondragon | bugger |
| 08:01.50 | mondragon | surely there must be some pattern for how to build packages for release candidates |
| 08:01.57 | mondragon | but sadly I can't find it |
| 08:02.28 | jelly-home | mondragon: use ~ 0.4.2~rc1 |
| 08:02.56 | peterrooney | nickmoeck: I'd be looking at /var/cache as the next likely candidate. |
| 08:03.00 | nickmoeck | peterrooney: it's updated about every minute by a daemon that receives information from other servers |
| 08:03.45 | nickmoeck | /var/cache is for data that can be regenerated by the application |
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| 08:05.20 | nickmoeck | hm. /var/lib seems like a candidate though |
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| 08:05.52 | mondragon | jelly-home: hrm, how can I do that? debhelper is building that string for me...I think the answer may be just to have a separate repo to throw them up on, and then when the rc's are done (the problem is they compete with the 0.5.x "unstable" branch packages), put them in the normal stable repo |
| 08:07.02 | peterrooney | /var/lib has the caveat "data that programs modify while they run, and that pertains to one specific host." |
| 08:07.34 | mondragon | jelly-home: well, possibly debchange actually builds that string |
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| 08:20.18 | voltagex | how would I find out what compiler flags were used on a particular package? |
| 08:20.45 | ompaul | voltagex: get the debian source |
| 08:21.08 | voltagex | ompaul: as in look at debian/rules or debian/control? |
| 08:21.16 | simonlnu | rules |
| 08:21.35 | ompaul | voltagex: and you had to ask when you knew where to look ;-) |
| 08:21.48 | simonlnu | control determines what the build/run deps are, names, etc. |
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| 08:22.06 | simonlnu | it's called laziness |
| 08:22.08 | xDD | Is there any motherboard or expansion card that lets me use a co-processor with a different architecture, i.e. x86_64 + ARM coprocessor? |
| 08:22.31 | voltagex | xDD: doubt it, but if you find one let me know |
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| 08:22.56 | voltagex | xDD: with current processors you can just use an emulator if you need that particular processor for something |
| 08:23.01 | ompaul | xDD: a hammer and chisel |
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| 08:23.20 | ompaul | xDD: it won't process anything very well afterward |
| 08:23.38 | voltagex | xDD: or do like I did and pick up a DreamPlug, then curse at ARMel strangeness like Python being broken under very certain circumstances |
| 08:24.41 | voltagex | simonlnu: do compiler flags for debian packages differ per architecture? |
| 08:24.55 | voltagex | I'm trying to track down a Debian-only python bug |
| 08:25.12 | simonlnu | only when it's needed |
| 08:25.17 | xDD | And what if I wanted to do some sort of x86_64 + Power hybrid to run Xbox 360 games? Can't really use an emulator for those within the next 10 years |
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| 08:25.42 | simonlnu | for that, you'd have to either look at the package, or look at what the toolchain defaults are |
| 08:25.53 | voltagex | as simply as I can put it - uWSGI can't load the python interpreter on ARM, but can on x64 |
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| 08:26.13 | simonlnu | voltagex: squeeze, wheezy? |
| 08:26.33 | sh00p | Anybody know a command line application for sharing passwords (stored encrypted) to multiple users... Something like this: blabla -open Kitchen (I enter my credentials); blabla -show Kitchen:Refridgerator... And it'll give me the password for the refridgerator in the kitchen... Different users might have different access, Some might have access to Kitchen, but not livingroom for example |
| 08:26.49 | voltagex | simonlnu: wheezy on both |
| 08:27.09 | teneightypea | If I can see a package in the Debian Multimedia repository, is there any reason I wouldn't be able to upgrade to it? |
| 08:27.14 | teneightypea | http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mediainfo/mediainfo.php |
| 08:27.20 | simonlnu | voltagex: have they migrated to 2.7 yet? |
| 08:27.42 | voltagex | simonlnu: I'm on 2.7, but what do you mean? |
| 08:27.55 | teneightypea | I see version 0.7.50 and am on 0.7.41 currently. An aptitude update && upgrade did not offer this package as an update. |
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| 08:28.31 | simonlnu | voltagex: uwsgi wouldn't work at all for me because i had both 2.6 and 2.7 going, and the plugin defaulted to 2.7 unless i moved the 2.7 out of the way (one dir up). |
| 08:29.10 | voltagex | simonlnu: I should say, the python interpreter is linked/embedded into uwsgi |
| 08:29.33 | voltagex | simonlnu: the uwsgi dev supports all versions up to ~3 |
| 08:29.38 | simonlnu | ah so you're using a homebrew? |
| 08:30.07 | voltagex | simonlnu: wheezy package crashes in the same way, but unbit (the dev) wanted me to try a newer version |
| 08:31.28 | voltagex | and now we're both stumped |
| 08:31.50 | simonlnu | i'd build it in a very clean environment, and run that. make sure you had just the one python version. |
| 08:32.15 | simonlnu | pbuilder or something |
| 08:32.22 | voltagex | simonlnu: I don't want to "clean" my ARM box, do you have any suggestions on setting up an ARM VM? |
| 08:32.38 | voltagex | oh... chroot I guess? |
| 08:32.47 | voltagex | :/ not enough space for that |
| 08:32.58 | simonlnu | pbuilder is for setting up a build chroot |
| 08:33.29 | simonlnu | that you're on your own, but maybe look at vbox |
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| 08:35.44 | voltagex | qemu |
| 08:36.00 | voltagex | As I don't really want to run qemu inside of a VM itself, brb, reboot needed :P |
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| 08:37.26 | blast_hardcheese | (What's wrong with qemu inside virt?) |
| 08:37.46 | simonlnu | 2 levels of virtualisation... |
| 08:38.02 | simonlnu | you're trying to build something... |
| 08:38.34 | simonlnu | you want it to be as close as possible to the wanted arch... |
| 08:39.18 | blast_hardcheese | It's full emulation |
| 08:39.40 | blast_hardcheese | who cares, other than performance |
| 08:40.33 | simonlnu | *shrug* (i would, but whatever :) |
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| 08:51.25 | metalspike | /usr/local/include/SDL/SDL_opengl.h:46:60: fatal error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory :( |
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| 08:51.34 | metalspike | while attempting a compile |
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| 08:52.22 | koskoz | hi |
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| 08:52.40 | koskoz | Is it required to have grub on a dedicated server? |
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| 08:53.17 | simonlnu | metalspike: try using the debian stuff first |
| 08:53.30 | simonlnu | koskoz: if you wanna be able to boot the machine, yes |
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| 08:54.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | depends what sort of server; alphas could boot from srm :p |
| 08:54.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | ditto things with uboot |
| 08:55.36 | koskoz | simonlnu: well, when I try to select a partition to install grub the next screen tells me that I haven't selected any partition oO |
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| 08:58.41 | metalspike | nvm fixed |
| 08:59.35 | koskoz | how do I know when I have to reboot my server after installing updates? |
| 09:01.29 | felidae | if the kernel was updated |
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| 09:03.10 | koskoz | felidae: how do I check that? I didn't pay attention if the kernal's update was part of the update's list :/ |
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| 09:04.17 | felidae | i don't know how to check the most recently updated packages, i've never needed to before |
| 09:04.38 | totte | Is /etc/services used for something or is it just for reference? |
| 09:05.28 | ompaul | totte: you can read it to see what port various services run on |
| 09:06.10 | ompaul | it doesn't change if you decide to run a server on a "wrong port" |
| 09:06.42 | totte | So it's just for reference then? |
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| 09:09.55 | zW | Hi. |
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| 09:10.28 | zW | Is it possible that pacemaker is not in the squeeze repos ? |
| 09:11.08 | ompaul | totte: it is the ports we expect to run things on the internet you can find details from rfcs |
| 09:11.21 | totte | zW: Looks like it is in Squeeze to me? |
| 09:11.35 | ompaul | totte: so yes it is a reference not a config, but you need a good reason to go elsewhere tbh |
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| 09:12.26 | travkin | debian wheezy still uses GNOME2? |
| 09:12.59 | ompaul | ,gnome |
| 09:13.01 | totte | ompaul: Right, cool. It looks like a config so I got curious. :) |
| 09:13.08 | ompaul | ,versions gnome |
| 09:13.10 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+11; wheezy: 1:2.30+11; experimental: 1:3.0+1 |
| 09:13.23 | travkin | thanks. |
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| 09:19.57 | t0ny-p40 | How do I mount a FAT flash drive and allow non-root users to write to it? |
| 09:20.24 | babilen | !tell travkin -about gnome3 |
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| 09:20.54 | babilen | travkin: Please refer to the status page in the private message from dpkg for up-to-date information on the gnome3 transition |
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| 09:24.11 | p_quarles | t0ny-p40: if it's FAT32 (and I'm guessing it is): mount -t vfat /dev/sdbX /mnt/path_to_folder |
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| 09:25.12 | t0ny-p40 | I can mount it but it won't allow non root users to write to it. I've tried chmod a+w to the mount point and it still won't work. |
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| 09:26.06 | p_quarles | t0ny-p40: unix permissions don't mean anything in FAT32; what error message do you get? |
| 09:26.06 | guardian | hello, i have a fresh debian 6.0 installed and times goes out of sync⦠ntp is installed and i don't really know how to troubleshoot it prints a list of servers and /etc/default/ntp has "-g" |
| 09:26.10 | guardian | what else can i check? |
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| 09:27.12 | jelly | mondragon: yeah, dch or manually edit debian/changelog |
| 09:27.22 | t0ny-p40 | touch: cannot touch `test': Permission denied |
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| 09:31.12 | t0ny-p40 | Ok I figured it out. sudo mount /dev/sdb1 -o uid=1000 ./t |
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| 09:35.27 | ksk | hello there. theres an update of the package grub-pc for stable/oldstable - how may i answer its postinst-dialog automaticly, eg using dsh? |
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| 09:40.27 | karel_ff | ksk, there's an environment variable to prevent postinst dialogs from appearing. I'm looking it up |
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| 09:41.29 | qrq | How remove epiphany without removing half of system? :D |
| 09:42.17 | ksk | karel_ff: its "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" |
| 09:42.29 | blast_hardcheese | qrq: Don't use Gnome? |
| 09:42.45 | ksk | but this way i have no idea which settings it does choose.. mmhm... |
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| 09:44.01 | karel_ff | ksk: I don't think there's a general rule. You'll have to plow through the postinst script and see what needs to be done I'm afraid |
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| 09:45.16 | ksk | ah, you can use =readline, witch works using dsh (thus its not fully automated) |
| 09:46.05 | Iridos | ksk, well, there's -y to apt-get ... use with great care |
| 09:46.47 | Iridos | there's even --force-yes ... use with even greater care |
| 09:46.54 | Iridos | all of those easily available via "man apt-get" |
| 09:47.05 | Iridos | (and I wonder why you didn't find them) |
| 09:47.13 | qrq | blast_hardcheese You right :D |
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| 09:47.21 | entranha | hey |
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| 09:47.57 | Iridos | ksk, also from that manpage... use together with "-d" (that is --dry-run) |
| 09:47.59 | ksk | Iridos: dunno if --force-yes does the job, but "-y" (to aptitude) does not skip postint-diablogs |
| 09:48.10 | ksk | ill take a look, thanks |
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| 09:48.54 | entranha | how to enable opengl acceleration on debian? |
| 09:49.14 | blast_hardcheese | entranha: That's more of an Xorg question |
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| 09:52.09 | themill | ksk: to answer the questions automatically, you preseed the answers to debconf; /msg dpkg debconf-set-selections; /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 10:07.07 | ksk | ah, interesting. thanks themill |
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| 10:12.03 | Sevet | does debian have any equivalent of the reboot-required ubuntu file to indicate a reboot is required after a kernel update? |
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| 10:15.03 | jelly | Sevet: or a libc update? |
| 10:15.20 | jelly | let's play it safe and say it doesn't |
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| 10:17.34 | NodeX | anyone know if libfaac && libfaac-dev will make it into the squeeze packages any time soon |
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| 10:18.44 | superlinux | this channel is now (13 years, 32 weeks, 5 days, 12:33:16 of age! |
| 10:18.55 | superlinux | awesome! |
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| 10:20.48 | superlinux | the registration date is just around my 1st days in university. what a coincidence! |
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| 10:22.48 | amgarching | is there any historical role separation between CFLAGS/CCFLAGS or FFLAGS/FCFLAGS? |
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| 10:24.18 | seicherlbob | hi there! we recently upgraded from lenny to squeeze. We use UDEV rules to run a script whenever an external harddrive gets connected. but since the upgrade, the script gets triggered without the connect-event aswell... have there been changes to udev that might cause this or do we have a bug in our rules? |
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| 10:27.21 | sheepz | hello, why are there like 52 isos of debian? |
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| 10:27.52 | seicherlbob | sheepz: because you can choose your architecture and type of installation. |
| 10:28.36 | sheepz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:28.47 | sheepz | this is the whole repository? |
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| 10:30.40 | seicherlbob | sheepz: i would think so. yes. with this you can make a complete offline installation, but you wont like it ;) |
| 10:31.09 | sheepz | ok, that is weird |
| 10:31.28 | sheepz | but if I wanted to install a minimal version |
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| 10:31.32 | sheepz | what should I download? |
| 10:31.38 | seicherlbob | usually you will use the netinst iso. |
| 10:32.02 | sheepz | sorry |
| 10:32.05 | sheepz | The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 10:32.08 | sheepz | my bad |
| 10:32.11 | seicherlbob | but as the name suggests, you will need a connection to a repository to install additional packages |
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| 10:33.06 | seicherlbob | if you are online with the machine, use the netinst. it's the smallest iso that will fetch additional packages from the repository if needed. |
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| 10:38.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc businesscard is smaller |
| 10:39.06 | ompaul | sheepz: the whole repo is gigs and gigs and gigs :) |
| 10:39.28 | ompaul | sheepz: and when you install make sure you are plugged into the network |
| 10:39.46 | Sevet | kamping_kaiser: yep - netinst ~180mb, businesscard ~40mb |
| 10:40.11 | Sevet | difference is the business card only holds the installer, there's no base system packages on it so they also need downloading too |
| 10:40.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup |
| 10:41.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | runs rm -r liberally over almost duplicate debian mirrors |
| 10:44.05 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: john's monit has now caused Richards voice to play back to him "Our freedom is under attack, our freedom is under attack!" |
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| 10:44.40 | ompaul | then it gives the special siren noise mips mips mips |
| 10:44.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | ompaul: ahahaha |
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| 10:46.57 | fly80 | hello |
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| 10:47.30 | fly80 | is there a command to list all installed fonts in the system? |
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| 10:49.37 | babilen | fly80: fc-list |
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| 10:52.25 | fly80 | babilen, thx |
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| 10:53.49 | waqs | hi all |
| 10:54.09 | waqs | can someone recommend me a cheap raid card that works with debian |
| 10:54.33 | seicherlbob | waqs: why dont you configure a software raid? |
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| 10:54.46 | seicherlbob | mdadm is your friend. |
| 10:55.00 | waqs | siecherlbob, i was hoping to run raid 5 |
| 10:55.14 | seicherlbob | waqs: thats possible with mdadm |
| 10:55.17 | babilen | waqs: IMHO a software raid is preferable over a cheap hw raid |
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| 10:55.41 | waqs | you loose performance with raid 5, raid 0 or 1 is the same as fake raid |
| 10:56.06 | waqs | it's been a few years since i touch mdadm |
| 10:56.10 | waqs | so maybe its changed |
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| 10:57.36 | babilen | waqs: http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html + http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID |
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| 11:00.58 | waqs | babilen thanks for the links, i'll do some tests i have a slow cpu so don't want to impact the performance of the box by running software raid 5 |
| 11:01.39 | babilen | waqs: Your money might be better spend on a new mainboard + CPU than a good hw raid controller though |
| 11:02.08 | waqs | you have a good point my friend |
| 11:02.33 | waqs | sometime you need someone to point to the obvoius |
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| 11:05.07 | Sevet | looks like i've found an answer for an equivalent to the ubuntu reboot-required kernel update file |
| 11:05.16 | Sevet | make one myself from /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ :) |
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| 11:06.14 | satya | hello |
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| 11:07.03 | satya | my slave dns server is unable to resolve the domain, when the primary is unavailable |
| 11:07.22 | satya | when the primary is available, it is resolving |
| 11:07.29 | satya | any help?? |
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| 11:10.17 | luke` | Is hibernate to disk supported on squeeze? |
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| 11:11.50 | petern__ | yeah |
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| 11:14.15 | gmarselis_ | hey guys. is there an option to ls to list only the gid and uid of a file? |
| 11:15.19 | ov3rmind | hi to all |
| 11:15.53 | Bushmills | satya: using axfr to sync slave with master? |
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| 11:16.31 | luke` | petern__: how do you invoke hibernation from the console? |
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| 11:17.19 | petern__ | no idea |
| 11:17.56 | E3D3 | Hi. How can I shorten NotifyOSD its message-time ? Or, is there a NotifyOSD Config for Wheezy ? |
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| 11:20.29 | Sevet | luke`: try the hibernate script in the package of the same name |
| 11:21.09 | Wolfflow | Hi All need some help for set up source list on my remote server for starting installing debian squeeze .deb packages |
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| 11:22.39 | themill | gmarselis_: stat takes a format string |
| 11:22.59 | themill | luke`: pm-utils comes with pm-hibernate |
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| 11:26.22 | satya | Bushmills: what is axfr |
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| 11:31.08 | Wolfflow | Hi All. Debian newbie, would really appreciate if someone can explain me how to list a Debian-Squeeze mirror in my debian-squeeze to get debian packages for install. Thanks |
| 11:32.10 | babilen | Wolfflow: Have you installed already? |
| 11:32.27 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Hi yes I have |
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| 11:33.25 | Wolfflow | babilen: : FYI I have a remote sever that is provided from my ISP an have SSH access |
| 11:33.34 | babilen | Wolfflow: Great, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add your mirrors there. I will drown you in information from our bot now and would appreciate it if you would ask if something is unclear. It might also make sense to paste your final /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net so we can check that everyhting is fine. |
| 11:33.45 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow about squeeze sources.list |
| 11:33.49 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow about mirrors |
| 11:33.57 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow about non-free sources |
| 11:34.10 | babilen | !tell Wolfflow about squeeze-updates |
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| 11:35.43 | Iridos | aaah |
| 11:36.17 | babilen | Wolfflow: In the end your sources.list should *at least* contain a "deb" line for the Debian repository on a mirror of your choice. A common line would be "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib" where you can replace "CC" with your country code (e.g. "de" for Germany, "hk" for Hong Kong, "ie" for Ireland, ...) -- This line also allows you to install <non-free> and <contrib> software which you might not want. |
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| 11:36.29 | AthomIk | hello |
| 11:36.40 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Thanks. Just to be a bit more clear about. Of course I have to put my country mirror ftp address as to get debian packages in my source list, right? |
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| 11:37.23 | Iridos | you can put in any country mirror... it's just most effective to use yours |
| 11:37.33 | AthomIk | i use 2 x on my wheezy, at this time i am on X:0 (pc screen), how i can send command ( xinput ) to X:1 ? |
| 11:37.46 | AthomIk | X:1 is tv hdmi |
| 11:37.48 | Wolfflow | Iridos: : Oh yes, I see, thanks |
| 11:37.55 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:38.09 | babilen | Wolfflow: You can use whatever mirror you like -- There are default per-country mirrors (i.e. ftp.CC.debian.org) and a general Geo-IP based one (i.e. cdn.debian) -- I personally prefer to use ftp.CC.debian.org with the country code of the country where the box is hosted. |
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| 11:39.00 | Iridos | AthomIk, DISPLAY=:1 xinput |
| 11:39.18 | Wolfflow | babilen: : cool, I will start trying that. Thanks for all the Info. Will report my progress, soon. Thanks for helping. |
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| 11:39.33 | babilen | Wolfflow: You will also need to add security repositories and you *might* want to add squeeze-updates, but the latter is not necessary. If you want to be able to retrieve source packages as well you can just add a "deb-src" line for every "deb" line you have. |
| 11:39.54 | Iridos | babilen the walking factoid :) |
| 11:40.04 | babilen | Wolfflow: You are most welcome, please paste your final sources.list to http://paste.debian.net for inspection along with the output of "apt-get update" |
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| 11:40.13 | babilen | Iridos: hehe |
| 11:40.46 | AthomIk | Iridos: No protocol specified , Unable to connect to X server ? |
| 11:40.55 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Yes. Now clear to me. Ok I will notice that address and by success paste the resource list. Thanks |
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| 11:42.20 | Iridos | AthomIk, then you don't have one running there... perhaps describe your setup a bit more so we can give better answers? |
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| 11:42.56 | voltagex | I'm starting to think Wolfflow is using a translator. |
| 11:43.09 | AthomIk | Iridos great thanks, ok , is a xhost + problem |
| 11:43.39 | Wolfflow | voltagex: : No I do not. :-) |
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| 11:45.27 | Wolfflow | voltagex I just are not very confident with the proof slang and I have to consult and define all new terms! |
| 11:47.58 | AthomIk | Iridos: this is for invert, keyboard/mouse in multiseat system i think with xinput i can make this |
| 11:48.27 | AthomIk | when X is run on my 2 session, one pc screen, on tv hdmi |
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| 12:03.35 | AthomIk | in profile where i can make a scripts for a xinput command, in gnome/kdm, when user loggin ? |
| 12:05.13 | qxt | Been running wheezy testing with only main repos and I really love it. On other GNU/linux flavors the only time I see something being held back when I do an upgrade is Linux (kernel). Way is it that I often see so many packets beside the kernel being held back. Doing a dist-upgrade has not broken anything yet (5 months). Is there a reason for the holding back? |
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| 12:09.52 | abrotman | qxt: sometimes it will remove something you need .. |
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| 12:11.41 | qxt | abaddon, hmm... never noticed that it has. So is it recommended that I do not do a dist-upgrade when I see this? |
| 12:12.23 | AthomIk | which file in my home is read whit gnome start, for script insert ? |
| 12:13.14 | AthomIk | is ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/* ? |
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| 12:14.24 | th0r | AthomIk: you migh try putting it in ~/.profile |
| 12:15.20 | dokma | I'm thinkin of plugging a 2TB Samsung F4 Eco-green into my Debian desktop for backup purposes. Am I right in thinking that the slower spin rate of 5400rpm should translate to better longevity and endurance of the drive? |
| 12:16.25 | AthomIk | th0r, yes but only when gnome is start, when user loggin in X gnome/kdm |
| 12:16.37 | AthomIk | .profile is good for this ? |
| 12:16.41 | sh00p | There might be some correlation between rpm and longevity, I have however not heard of it and would rather blame it on poor quality if a drive crashes |
| 12:17.14 | dTal | dokma: who knows, but it couldn't hurt |
| 12:17.38 | dTal | it's certainly draw less power, which translates into better power supply longevity :p |
| 12:17.42 | dokma | sh00p: it's not that easy for me to determine the quality of a new drive... I'm googling Samsung spinpoint f4 failure atm hoping not to find a ton of reports of crashes |
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| 12:18.02 | dokma | dTal: less power is also good for sure... good thinking |
| 12:18.39 | sh00p | you have the option of setting the rpm? |
| 12:18.53 | th0r | AthomIk: anything in ~/.profile will be executed when the user logs in, even if he uses xfce, lxde, etc. Which DE the user chooses is not important....~/.proflie will execute at login regardless |
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| 12:19.09 | dokma | I don't think so, no. Never heard of HDDs with configurable RPMs |
| 12:19.36 | sh00p | me neither |
| 12:19.52 | th0r | AthomIk: one proviso....kde and gnome are getting more and more 'possessive'. Wouldn't surprise me to see either or both bypassing the usual login processes |
| 12:19.53 | sh00p | it doesnt really answer your question, but I think you'r fine |
| 12:20.39 | dokma | sh00p: probably so... it's not some huge risk but I just wanted to make sure I don't make any obvious stupid choices |
| 12:20.57 | AthomIk | th0r ok thanks, for this advice |
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| 12:30.31 | lamah | i have "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" |
| 12:30.48 | lamah | how can I install a package "libreoffice" i can't install it with apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 12:31.02 | lamah | it gives me Broken packages |
| 12:31.07 | Bushmills | dokma: potentially, yes. with lower RPM is the chance of bearing subjected to less wear. but, manufacturer are surely reacting to this by putting lesser bearings into drives which are less demanding in that respect |
| 12:31.48 | abrotman | lamah: in what? |
| 12:31.56 | Bushmills | another aspect is that drives with higher RPMs are usually running hotter, which is considered not good for drives |
| 12:32.09 | dokma | Bushmills: is there a way to make the disk do nothing at all between backups? Like unmounting them or something??? |
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| 12:32.19 | qrq | Brasero sucks -_- |
| 12:32.26 | abrotman | works great for me |
| 12:32.26 | Bushmills | yes. unmount, and spin down. check out hdparm |
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| 12:32.53 | dokma | I see... so if they are mounted they are constantly spinning? |
| 12:33.14 | Bushmills | no. you can spin them down even then. but any access will spin them up again then |
| 12:34.11 | lamah | abrotman: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/490383/ |
| 12:34.12 | qrq | abrotman K3B is way way way better |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | qrq: are you just here to troll? |
| 12:34.31 | qrq | No |
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| 12:34.37 | abrotman | sure seems thatway |
| 12:34.46 | abrotman | brasero works fine for me .. i've used it for ages |
| 12:34.55 | abrotman | if you have a specific problem with it .. let's hear it |
| 12:35.20 | qrq | Brasero is ripping cd to image for about 20 minutes -_- |
| 12:35.29 | abrotman | brasero is for burning, not ripping? |
| 12:35.38 | abrotman | judd: info brasero --release squeeze |
| 12:35.40 | judd | Package brasero (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: CD/DVD burning application for GNOME. Version: 2.30.3-2; Size: 646.7k; Installed: 1040k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/brasero/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/brasero |
| 12:35.42 | qrq | abrotman Well it can rop also. |
| 12:35.48 | qrq | rip. |
| 12:35.51 | totte | How do I find out what differences there are between Debian package coreutils and the upstream(?) at gnu.org? |
| 12:35.53 | abrotman | qrq: if you say so .. but it probably calls out to sound-juicer |
| 12:36.01 | qrq | abrotman Not audio cd. |
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| 12:36.03 | abrotman | totte: there's a diff package for starters |
| 12:36.05 | qrq | abrotman data cd. |
| 12:36.07 | tensorpudding | totte, check the patches |
| 12:36.16 | abrotman | qrq: ah .. well, 'dd' then:) |
| 12:36.25 | abrotman | lamah: moment |
| 12:36.44 | lamah | ok |
| 12:37.00 | qrq | abrotman dd Got some problems with ending rip in half -_- |
| 12:37.03 | th0r | qrq: is this a commercial cd? some of them are recorded in ways that prevent creating an iso image |
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| 12:37.26 | abrotman | lamah: this on squeeze? |
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| 12:37.34 | lamah | abrotman: yeah 6.0.2 |
| 12:37.43 | lamah | abrotman: only for libreoffice |
| 12:37.46 | lamah | pkg |
| 12:37.59 | abrotman | lamah: make sure your debian is up to date, then use aptitude to install it |
| 12:38.19 | lamah | abrotman: it's up-to-date aptitude gives me this error again... |
| 12:38.35 | abrotman | lamah: you'll have to paste your sources.list |
| 12:38.42 | themill | lamah: the other day, it looked like you didn't have a mirror in your sources.list |
| 12:39.01 | lamah | themill: hi |
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| 12:40.51 | waqs | fail2ban is constantly banning IPs based on an apache-404 rule, the IPs vary but they are all banned for this HEAD /css/homebase.css HTTP/1.1 |
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| 12:41.17 | totte | Okay, but why is there a need for Debian-specific patches when the source seems to be under active development? |
| 12:41.34 | waqs | homebase.css what are they looking for? |
| 12:42.33 | abrotman | homebase.css ? |
| 12:42.42 | waqs | yeah |
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| 12:42.55 | waqs | 7 IPs all banned for HEAD /css/homebase.css HTTP/1.1 |
| 12:42.57 | abrotman | totte: any number of reasons .. the changelog and diff may tell you more |
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| 12:43.23 | lamah | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ak2fVwWZ |
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| 12:43.33 | waqs | is there a known exploit or something |
| 12:43.44 | threadlock | Anyone else got this? I cannot boot Lenny bpo kernels (2.6.32.5, both amd64 and 686) on virtual machines on VMware ESXi 4.0.0, kernel panic. |
| 12:44.10 | themill | lamah: yeah, you have no main mirror there. /msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list |
| 12:44.36 | jelly | threadlock: do you have a screenshot of the panic screen? |
| 12:45.01 | sanderj_ | Do anyone know what's causing the high average load here?: http://pastebin.com/Pw0aH3A5 |
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| 12:45.21 | abrotman | waqs: ask the people that wrote it? |
| 12:45.35 | lamah | themill: ok I understand, can I ask for this: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release is correct or must to be only iceweasel-release without squeeze-backports? |
| 12:46.14 | themill | lamah: that looks correct. But you still need a real mirror. |
| 12:46.21 | AthomIk | th0r: ok for .profile, but my command is xinput, and need X is started, and i must find where i can start my script at X loggin |
| 12:46.28 | lamah | themill: ok, thanks |
| 12:46.37 | threadlock | jelly: just give me a few minutes.. =) |
| 12:47.01 | AthomIk | erfff ok i am in error..... excuses me |
| 12:47.28 | th0r | AthomIk: there should be a startup in gnome, I know I have 'Sessions and Startup' in xfce. You can put it in there for each user |
| 12:48.06 | AthomIk | th0r ok thanks, my brain is not good this day :D |
| 12:48.18 | AthomIk | i return in .profile |
| 12:48.22 | AthomIk | thk |
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| 13:05.44 | miko | Hello : I try to get a kernel source from kernel.org : the tree looks like being empty. What am I doing wrong ? |
| 13:06.08 | miko | And every mirror I tried has a false host name. |
| 13:06.26 | babilen | miko: Clone https://github.com/mirrors/linux |
| 13:06.56 | themill | miko: most of kernel.org has been down for a few weeks. Bits are slowly coming back online. |
| 13:08.45 | miko | I knew that. But I am pretty sure I monitor the tree last week, and saw the sources |
| 13:09.49 | miko | Can you confirm the tree is empty from your point of view (I wish to eliminate suscpicion of bad caches) |
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| 13:11.24 | miko | babilen: I am not very comfortable with git |
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| 13:12.13 | miko | Is there a way to get a tarball for say 2.6.26 or the git repository is only for development ? |
| 13:12.18 | babilen | miko: "git clone https://github.com/mirrors/linux.git" is probably what you want. This raises the question: "What do you actually want to achieve?" |
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| 13:13.05 | miko | babilen : The question is that I have to provide a kernel source for student in an embedded system lesson |
| 13:13.22 | babilen | miko: You can also fetch linux-source-* package(s) from Debian for Debian's kernels. |
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| 13:13.43 | Mannis | ""I have never had an orgasm having sex with a circumcised man. With an intact man? All. The. Time." |
| 13:13.56 | babilen | miko: They will essentially place a .tar.gz in /usr/src/ which you can copy/unpack |
| 13:14.08 | Mannis | "My new boy is the first man I have ever been with who has been intact. WHOO WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I don't ever want to go back to circumsized again." |
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| 13:14.24 | miko | babilen: yes. But I teach them to only use the "official source" |
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| 13:15.42 | miko | I have a workaround as I kept a copy on my professionnal web site. I am just looking for a confirmation there is a flaw on the official kernel.org site |
| 13:16.23 | miko | And a confirmation the mirror url are wrong. |
| 13:16.28 | babilen | miko: Clone Linus' git repo on github in that case. You can also checkout specific version (i.e. git tags) with, for example, "git checkout -b local_branch_name 2.6.32" |
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| 13:17.06 | babilen | miko: AFAICT you can download tar.bz2 directly from kernel.org |
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| 13:17.52 | miko | babilen: It appears I cannot today the kernel branch of the http tree has no version |
| 13:18.11 | miko | empty (just a "people" directory). |
| 13:18.37 | miko | babilen: the git command you give me could be a solution. |
| 13:19.06 | babilen | miko: Yeah |
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| 13:19.44 | miko | babilen: Is github.com/mirrors a system choosing a mirror for me ? |
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| 13:21.11 | babilen | miko: github *is* the mirror -- Which version are you after? |
| 13:22.40 | miko | babilen : I was guessing if there are many mirrors and the hub is just choosing one for me, to avoid overload |
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| 13:23.28 | miko | babilen: I am not stuck to a specific version (students are discovering the procedure of compiling a kernel) |
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| 13:24.49 | babilen | miko: github.com just offers free git repositories for open-source development |
| 13:25.06 | miko | So could somebody confirm me that, from outside my university, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.0.4.tar.bz2 is unavailable ? |
| 13:25.31 | miko | Just to confirm that there is a flaw in the kernel site. |
| 13:25.38 | babilen | yes |
| 13:26.33 | babilen | miko: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/08/cracking-kernelorg |
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| 13:26.51 | babilen | miko: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/9/30/421 |
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| 13:27.17 | babilen | miko: But lets drop it as this really isn't a Debian specific problem (##linux would be better suited) |
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| 13:27.34 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 13:27.57 | Bartzy | Most people separate their /home as a different partition, so when/if they need to reinstall they can do it without back and recovering their data ? |
| 13:28.18 | miko | babilen: you are right : I switch. Thanks. |
| 13:28.20 | Bartzy | for a desktop (personal) use, not server. |
| 13:28.31 | babilen | miko: Good luck and may you have a nice day :) |
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| 13:28.44 | babilen | Bartzy: yes |
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| 13:29.01 | Bartzy | babilen: How much space should I give the rest of the computer ? |
| 13:29.27 | Bartzy | I want /home to contain movies/tv shows/music which takes most space, and it's reasonable to put them in /home/user/ |
| 13:29.43 | babilen | Bartzy: How much space do you have? I would also recommend to use LVM as this allows you to resize your volumes easily later on |
| 13:30.00 | Bartzy | babilen: LVM for desktop use ? for the root/boot as well ? |
| 13:30.01 | babilen | !tell Bartzy about lvm |
| 13:30.06 | Bartzy | babilen: I have 500GB. |
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| 13:30.28 | Bartzy | babilen: I also do web programming, so /var/www fills up to ~5-10GB |
| 13:30.32 | babilen | Bartzy: And you plan to have two partitions/volume groups. (one for / and one for /home) ? |
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| 13:31.00 | Bartzy | babilen: I don't know, that's why I'm asking |
| 13:31.09 | Bartzy | maybe it's better to use a separate partition just for data ? |
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| 13:31.13 | Bartzy | movies/tv shows/music etc ? |
| 13:31.16 | babilen | Bartzy: I would seperate /home and /var from / at least in that case. |
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| 13:31.59 | Bartzy | babilen: Where do you store your data ? |
| 13:32.02 | Bartzy | music/movies etc ? |
| 13:32.19 | Bartzy | in /home ? |
| 13:32.20 | babilen | Bartzy: Just use sensible sizes at the beginning, do not use all available space and resize as needed. |
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| 13:32.31 | iateadonut | can i test a random port to see if a firewall is up with ssh? |
| 13:32.42 | Sevet | i see debian squeeze has a ksplice package... how do we use it? :) |
| 13:32.52 | babilen | Bartzy: I have them in /srv/data, but /home/ is a very sensible approach as well |
| 13:33.03 | Sevet | is it just a case of installing ksplice and then updating the linux-image package, or is there an additional step? |
| 13:33.09 | iateadonut | for example, if i say "ssh user@ip -p 7439" and it says "connection refused" - that means the port is not protected by a firewall? if it were protected, it wouldn't respond at all? |
| 13:33.19 | babilen | !connection refused |
| 13:33.20 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 13:33.23 | Bartzy | babilen: OK, thanks. I think I won't separate /var/ . |
| 13:33.37 | Bartzy | babilen: Maybe I'll do 50GB for /, 450GB for /home |
| 13:33.43 | Sevet | iateadonat: means it was rejected by a icmp message... you can DROP (no reply) or REJECT |
| 13:33.50 | Bartzy | babilen: Should I use LVM for everything, including the root/boot partition ? |
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| 13:34.07 | babilen | Bartzy: Seperating /var makes sense as it will provide some protection against overflowing log files to bring down your system. |
| 13:34.11 | iateadonut | ok, thanks. |
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| 13:34.23 | babilen | Bartzy: Seperate /boot, rest LVM |
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| 13:34.38 | Bartzy | babilen: So /boot should be ext3 ? |
| 13:34.59 | Bartzy | That's because GRUB doesn't know how to boot off LVM partitions ? |
| 13:35.30 | babilen | Bartzy: No need for it to be ext3, ext2 is all you need. |
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| 13:36.14 | Bartzy | babilen: Why not ext3 ? :) |
| 13:36.49 | babilen | Bartzy: You don't really need the journal |
| 13:37.00 | Bartzy | Also, I don't know what size should I give for the /var partition. LVM resizes easily, but what about the partitions inside it ? It's possible/easy to shrink a ext3 partition ? |
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| 13:37.07 | babilen | Bartzy: But use ext3 if you want :) |
| 13:37.24 | Bartzy | babilen: Yeah, but any other reason not to use ext3 for /boot other than that ? :) |
| 13:37.24 | Bartzy | OK :) |
| 13:37.59 | jelly | Bartzy: shrinking an ext3 filesystem can only be done offline, while it's unmounted |
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| 13:38.19 | iateadonut | isn't that true of all filesystems? |
| 13:38.19 | jelly | Bartzy: what are you planning to run on that system? |
| 13:38.24 | babilen | no |
| 13:38.31 | jelly | iateadonut: no. Some can't be shrunk at all. |
| 13:38.43 | jelly | see: xfs |
| 13:38.44 | iateadonut | but any would have to be unmounted to resize? |
| 13:38.44 | babilen | *bam* |
| 13:38.55 | jelly | iateadonut: who knows? |
| 13:39.09 | babilen | iateadonut: s/resize/shrink |
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| 13:39.27 | jelly | I have not done an exhaustive investigation of ALL THE FILESYSTEMS |
| 13:39.35 | jelly | (all of them) |
| 13:39.52 | Sevet | because the tree gets reorganised so nothing would be reading/writing from the right place |
| 13:40.04 | jelly | iateadonut: many do support online growing |
| 13:40.07 | Sevet | safest way to handle it is to unmount it so nothing's using it |
| 13:40.42 | Sevet | jelly: yep, there's a few exceptions |
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| 13:41.01 | Sevet | where the filesystem does work to avoid it being an issue |
| 13:41.30 | jelly | fortunately most commonly used Linux fs types support online growing |
| 13:41.43 | Iridos | can rsync do something like character-substitution? or another program? I want to copy files to vfat and they contain ":", which vfat doesn't tolerate |
| 13:41.45 | jelly | ext[234]fs and xfs |
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| 13:42.32 | jelly | Iridos: make a large image on that vfat and mkfs a decent fs on it? :-) |
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| 13:42.56 | Iridos | can't it's for sharing digital camera images with someone windows... |
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| 13:43.13 | Iridos | I could mass-rename on my own machine... |
| 13:43.17 | Silent | Hello. |
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| 13:43.31 | Silent | I'm installing Deb 6 from my Sansa Fuze MP3 player |
| 13:43.36 | Iridos | well, don't see any with rsync |
| 13:43.40 | Silent | The installer is unable to detect the CD ROM drive |
| 13:43.48 | Silent | Any idea? |
| 13:43.52 | Silent | ideas** |
| 13:43.55 | babilen | Silent: How did you put the image on the mp3? |
| 13:44.17 | Silent | Unetbootin |
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| 13:44.25 | babilen | Silent: unetbootin is not working |
| 13:44.30 | babilen | !tell Silent about usb install |
| 13:44.37 | Silent | But it did a few weeks ago |
| 13:44.51 | jelly | Iridos: or rtfm mount(8), paragraph "Mount options for vfat", uni_xlate |
| 13:44.52 | dvs | babilen: on an mp3 player? |
| 13:45.12 | babilen | dvs: I guess that the mp3 player just behaves as a USB device. |
| 13:45.21 | Silent | babilen Nice bot, lol |
| 13:45.27 | babilen | Silent: Do you have any sensible data on the MP3 that you want to keep? |
| 13:45.36 | Silent | Nope, I guess |
| 13:45.43 | Iridos | jelly, didn't think of that... err, what - it uses : to escape?! |
| 13:45.46 | jelly | Iridos: not sure the resulting filenames are acceptable on windows |
| 13:45.46 | Iridos | well, will try |
| 13:45.51 | Silent | Hmm |
| 13:45.54 | Silent | So complicated |
| 13:46.04 | Silent | The thing is I'm trying to install Deb on my server |
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| 13:46.07 | jelly | probably works for Linux <-> Linux |
| 13:46.12 | Silent | Which doesn't have a CD drive |
| 13:46.25 | jelly | Iridos: mass rename on the source seems the safest bet |
| 13:46.36 | Iridos | jelly, mmh, do you know if 1 or 2 would have a higer chance to work in windows? |
| 13:46.58 | jelly | Iridos: never tried it, sorry |
| 13:46.59 | Iridos | maybe... either I do that for all images, though and stick to the new scheme or I make a copy, though |
| 13:47.13 | Iridos | jelly, good idea, though... thanks, didn't think of mount |
| 13:47.20 | Silent | Syslinux causes me trouble, usually |
| 13:47.25 | Iridos | specially as some weird gnome-thingy automounts everything now |
| 13:47.37 | babilen | Silent: You just have to run "cat the_debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" where you replace /dev/sdX with the block device of the usb stick. (e.g. /dev/sdb) |
| 13:47.53 | Iridos | jelly, and actually I don't think ":" is problematic because it's an unknown unicode character... |
| 13:47.57 | Iridos | more seems to have special meaning |
| 13:48.10 | Silent | babilen I see. |
| 13:48.25 | Silent | Do I have shell access during the installation? |
| 13:48.36 | babilen | Silent: Please read the documentation dpkg that was linked in the factoid dpkg told you about |
| 13:48.53 | babilen | Silent: You'll have a busybox shell, yes -- What do you need it for? |
| 13:49.00 | Silent | I have that page opened |
| 13:49.18 | Silent | I wanted to try to manually mount the flash drive |
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| 13:49.53 | babilen | why? Just use the documentaed and supported way to create the USB installer stick and it should work. |
| 13:49.56 | Iridos | jelly, hehe... doesn't like it much better now I get rsync: mkstemp "/media/ringstick/2011-07-30/.2011-07-30T09:21:24289.JPG.hkfl1D" failed: Invalid argument (22) |
| 13:50.13 | Iridos | which at least is a much more obscure-looking error than before |
| 13:50.33 | Silent | I have the image on a Win machine |
| 13:50.43 | Silent | I'm in a sticky situation, lol |
| 13:51.07 | Iridos | before it was cp: cannot create regular file `./2011-08-18/2011-08-18T11:21:54818.JPG': Invalid argument ... hm, actually cp still says that |
| 13:51.14 | babilen | Silent: In that case use the image writer linked in the factoid and rename the debian.iso to debian.img because Windows/the application is a bit anal about file extensions |
| 13:51.41 | babilen | Silent: Did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 13:51.46 | babilen | !usb install |
| 13:51.46 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 13:51.54 | babilen | Silent: ^^^^ that is what I am referring to |
| 13:52.01 | Silent | I'm reading it now. |
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| 13:52.37 | Silent | Alright, I'll try it later today |
| 13:52.42 | Silent | For now I need to go. |
| 13:52.55 | Silent | Thank you for your time. |
| 13:53.13 | Iridos | jelly, mass-renaming works of course.. but is kind of not satisfactory as I know this'll bug me again |
| 13:53.14 | babilen | Silent: You are welcome, good luck! |
| 13:53.30 | Silent | Thanks ^.^ |
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| 13:54.48 | jelly | Iridos: is it that hard to pick a different strftime format |
| 13:56.51 | themill | and use rename(1) to fix the existing files |
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| 14:02.32 | Iridos | jelly, yes! |
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| 14:03.33 | HeXiLeD | any ideas about this error : Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613/msql.so |
| 14:03.58 | HeXiLeD | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613/msql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613/msql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 14:05.12 | jelly | ,file php5/.*/msql.so |
| 14:05.16 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 14:05.20 | jelly | ,file php5/*/msql.so |
| 14:05.24 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 14:05.29 | jelly | judd: you suck |
| 14:05.58 | judd | Do not! |
| 14:06.07 | babilen | heh |
| 14:06.14 | babilen | HeXiLeD: When do you get that error? |
| 14:06.25 | Iridos | jelly, actually it is... I think it must be from some previous effort that a lot of the images are now present in duplicate... and while there's also stuff like dupemap,findimagedupes et al, I kind of feel it's best not to create a mess in the first place :P |
| 14:06.28 | jelly | "in 2008" |
| 14:06.32 | HeXiLeD | i think today. i just logged into the box |
| 14:06.38 | Bushmills | HeXiLeD: yes - you're running a program which tries to open and load a lib which you don't have. |
| 14:06.48 | babilen | jelly: har har :) |
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| 14:07.00 | Bushmills | i'd suggest to complain at the author or packager or distributor of that program |
| 14:07.06 | jelly | babilen: war was beginning |
| 14:07.09 | HeXiLeD | so i have 2 options. load the lib or remove the program that tries to load it |
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| 14:07.30 | jelly | HeXiLeD: which app emits that warning? |
| 14:07.37 | jelly | (or which service?) |
| 14:07.37 | Bushmills | well, you can also do nothing |
| 14:07.38 | HeXiLeD | apache2 |
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| 14:07.49 | Bushmills | or you can sit in a corner and sulk |
| 14:07.52 | HeXiLeD | error.log |
| 14:08.04 | babilen | HeXiLeD: Sorry for asking such a stupid question ... I meant: "Which program/command are you running that provides this output? Which log file (if any) is this from? ..." (i.e. please provide more information) |
| 14:08.33 | themill | HeXiLeD: why on earth use msql? It was crap back in 1998 and hasn't improved... |
| 14:08.47 | HeXiLeD | tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 14:09.01 | HeXiLeD | themill alternative that you recommend ? |
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| 14:09.27 | Sevet | HeXiLeD: do you actually use msql? |
| 14:09.36 | HeXiLeD | yes |
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| 14:09.49 | HeXiLeD | for mediawiki and phpbb and wp software |
| 14:10.08 | themill | HeXiLeD: are you sure you're not looking for mysql? |
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| 14:10.48 | Sevet | or mssql |
| 14:10.57 | themill | (that is not to say that mysql is a good db, just that it's a substantial improvement on msql) |
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| 14:11.40 | HeXiLeD | sorry i misunderstood - use mysql not msql |
| 14:12.00 | disposable | i've created a new raid1 device with mdadm but in /proc/mdstat, it says "resync=PENDING" in that device's stanza. how do i force it to start syncing? every single webpage says something different and i can't make a mistake. |
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| 14:12.53 | HeXiLeD | i think msql is being pulled due to the bin package being compiled with msql |
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| 14:13.25 | HeXiLeD | umm seems like it .. |
| 14:13.30 | HeXiLeD | binary packages ... |
| 14:13.35 | HeXiLeD | shakes his head |
| 14:13.49 | themill | HeXiLeD: msql is not anywhere in Debian. It never has been. |
| 14:13.54 | Sevet | apt-file doesn't show msql.so in any debian package... if you don't use it you're best off disabling that module, probably under /etc/php5/conf.d/ |
| 14:14.04 | Sevet | it's a problem in your config file trying to load a module that doesn't exist |
| 14:14.18 | HeXiLeD | Sevet good tip. let me check |
| 14:14.31 | jelly | HeXiLeD: your php interpreter is configured to try to load an extension missing from your disk. Either reconfigure the php interpreter (/etc/php5/*/php.ini) or install the missing extension |
| 14:15.00 | themill | HeXiLeD: how about starting at the beginning with what it is you're trying to do, what version of debian you are using and what you did to try to install msql and/or things that want it. |
| 14:15.22 | Sevet | 20060613 means he's on lenny |
| 14:15.38 | Sevet | but msql.so still isn't on that one |
| 14:17.02 | HeXiLeD | /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini has extension=msql.so to be loaded. will comment it and see what happens |
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| 14:17.28 | kW | Hello! There seems to be a package dependency bug, who can I talk to to fix it? |
| 14:17.41 | themill | HeXiLeD: not by default, there isn't. |
| 14:18.29 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.41 | syslq | How do you think secure uefi will influence linux? |
| 14:18.58 | Sevet | kW: try bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:20.18 | themill | kW: either just ask your question or report the bug with reportbug |
| 14:20.27 | Sevet | HeXiLeD: looks like that extension= line is in the lenny example config but in a comment as a example of how to load an extension only. it should never have been uncommented. |
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| 14:21.16 | HeXiLeD | edited /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and commented the extension |
| 14:21.19 | HeXiLeD | problem solved |
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| 14:21.27 | gangz | hi everybody, please How load AC97codec in debian ? |
| 14:21.36 | themill | HeXiLeD: next time, don't uncomment it... |
| 14:21.51 | HeXiLeD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.15 | HeXiLeD | i am used to gentoo/source based distros and always compile with the flags i need only. |
| 14:22.18 | themill | it is certainly not enabled by default |
| 14:22.32 | HeXiLeD | umm.. them probably my mistake |
| 14:22.36 | themill | misconfiguring php.ini has nothing to do with compile flags ;) |
| 14:22.55 | eagles0513875 | hey guys im having a rather interesting issue with audio. when i first boot my machine audio back end im guessing fails to start after a reboot it works just fine no questions asked. how can i start the audio backend in squeeze |
| 14:23.43 | HeXiLeD | all solved now. but i have no idea why msql was enabled there. thank you for your help guys. |
| 14:23.53 | eagles0513875 | scratch my issue lol |
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| 14:25.18 | Fredxz | I am trying to change my MOTD, but I can not find the uname entry at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh. |
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| 14:27.11 | Bushmills | why not change your motd first, and then look for whatever uname entry you're looking for wherever you want to look for them? |
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| 14:33.56 | kW | Hello! Can I say in a /etc/apt/preferences file "package foo, and all its dependencies if necessary, should come from "testing", the remainder from "squeeze-backports"?" |
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| 14:36.39 | themill | why would you want to do that? |
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| 14:37.39 | Iridos | Hello! And we remember you from 20 minutes back |
| 14:38.37 | dvs | \/me hides |
| 14:39.29 | Iridos | you additionally hid the / |
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| 14:42.38 | DeLorean731 | <--- installing debian for the first time |
| 14:42.50 | DeLorean731 | I really like how they give you the option to not install a graphical environment |
| 14:43.34 | Bushmills | sometimes people are surprised that debian offers a GUI at all |
| 14:43.45 | DeLorean731 | why is that? |
| 14:43.51 | DeLorean731 | is it not common for workstations or something? |
| 14:44.01 | Bushmills | because they've been told that linux is like ms-dos |
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| 14:44.18 | DeLorean731 | ah haha |
| 14:44.39 | DeLorean731 | I've used Ubuntu a bit |
| 14:44.45 | DeLorean731 | which is based on Debian right...? |
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| 14:44.53 | DeLorean731 | so maybe it's not fair to say it's my first Debian install |
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| 14:45.13 | Bushmills | googles that funny term "ubuntu" |
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| 14:46.22 | Flash_ | it'll never catch on, y'know. |
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| 14:48.18 | SSantos | hey guys, I need to upgrade only the php 5.2 to 5.3... how can I solve this? |
| 14:48.46 | Bushmills | ,versions php5 |
| 14:48.47 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8-2; wheezy: 5.3.8-2 |
| 14:48.58 | themill | SSantos: you can put your lenny->squeeze upgrade plans into action; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 14:49.14 | Sevet | squeeze has php5 5.3, perhaps it's in lenny-backports |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | nope |
| 14:50.12 | Iridos | Bushmills, what... are you saying linux isn't a newer version of msdos ? |
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| 14:51.12 | SSantos | so, the commando /msg dpkg 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13 -> 5.3.3-7+squeeze3 will solve? |
| 14:51.20 | Bushmills | but with some confusion where they tried to copycat the \ directory delimiters |
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| 14:51.30 | themill | SSantos: err... no. |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | SSantos: not even close, and a really bad idea |
| 14:51.47 | themill | dpkg: tell SSantos about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:51.47 | Bushmills | and what sick mind decided to use - for command line parameters |
| 14:51.50 | Iridos | right... copied everything off and didnt even get it right |
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| 14:52.01 | Sevet | type in irc "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
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| 14:52.32 | abrotman | Sevet: he was already told that ... |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | twice |
| 14:52.42 | Iridos | three time's the charm |
| 14:53.12 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 14:53.12 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.9>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 14:54.38 | Sevet | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:55.15 | abrotman | !tell Sevet about selftell |
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| 14:56.01 | Iridos | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:56.13 | Iridos | oh, that actually works |
| 14:56.22 | Iridos | I wondered about the -> quirk |
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| 14:56.47 | Wolfflow | : Iridos may I ask you a questio? |
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| 14:58.47 | arghx | Wolfflow: go ahead. he cannot stop you :) |
| 14:59.11 | abrotman | Iridos: only short form with -> doesn't work |
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| 15:00.19 | Iridos | abrotman, well, he and I did use "!" |
| 15:00.33 | Wolfflow | arghx : Oh yes, I am just reallly new so I take care not to push! Anyway I did add this line in my sources.list: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main , but it do not work |
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| 15:01.04 | babilen | Wolfflow: Just ask the channel :) |
| 15:01.31 | abrotman | Iridos: it works for tell, not for in-channel |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | !lenny->squeeze |
| 15:01.40 | abrotman | see .. |
| 15:01.41 | Iridos | abrotman, I noticed :) |
| 15:02.00 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Ok should I add this for my country in sources.list: http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian6.0.3/ |
| 15:02.01 | Iridos | I knew it doesn't work that way... but was suddenly unsure about !tell |
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| 15:02.53 | babilen | Wolfflow: No, you would want: "deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" (and optionally "contrib non-free" at the end) |
| 15:02.53 | Iridos | Wolfflow, in what regard does it fail to work |
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| 15:04.08 | Wolfflow | Iridos : I checked with aptitude and apace2, php5 etc.. show in list not installed |
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| 15:04.22 | Burns | Hello, I suddently have a huge load on my server |
| 15:04.23 | Burns | 73.59, 70.53, 49.16 |
| 15:04.28 | Burns | how to know from where it comes |
| 15:04.29 | babilen | Wolfflow: Could you show use your current /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 15:05.10 | Wolfflow | babilen I will try to do thet now... some minutes.... |
| 15:05.17 | babilen | Wolfflow: Sure :) |
| 15:06.05 | babilen | Burns: Check with top/htop/iotop/... |
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| 15:07.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jelly a fable |
| 15:07.23 | babilen | *about |
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| 15:07.42 | Iridos | that's what SHE said |
| 15:07.50 | Iridos | err, he |
| 15:08.13 | Wolfflow | babilen: : I have send it under"wolflow" |
| 15:08.27 | Iridos | dpkg, tell jelly about a fable |
| 15:08.58 | Wolfflow | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/135473/ |
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| 15:10.08 | Iridos | I kind of see everything in there twice |
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| 15:10.23 | eternity13 | why isn't my debian starting with wrong ip address configuration? is that normal? |
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| 15:10.45 | arghx | eternity13: could you read your question carefully and maybe rephrase? |
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| 15:11.13 | abrotman | dustpan: youcan't speak in this channel as root |
| 15:11.28 | eternity13 | if i set wrong static ip address or gateway, system stucks ar starting sshd |
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| 15:11.52 | babilen | Wolfflow: Does http://paste.debian.net/135474/ work? What about deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 15:11.55 | babilen | deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 15:12.12 | dustpan | hello :) |
| 15:12.26 | babilen | Wolfflow: Does http://paste.debian.net/135474/ work? What about http://paste.debian.net/135475/ ? (I would personally prefer the latter) |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | dpkg: qotd271 is <reply><arghx> why isn't my debian starting with wrong ip address configuration? is that nomral? |
| 15:12.34 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:12.34 | babilen | Wolfflow: Sorry for the fucked up paste |
| 15:12.34 | Wolfflow | babilen: will give it a try now |
| 15:12.49 | dustpan | i have aparently symlinked rename to something stupid and now i can't rename anything, would anyone be able to help? |
| 15:13.00 | arghx | dustpan: man mv |
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| 15:13.24 | dustpan | but mv is different to rename no? |
| 15:13.28 | arghx | wonders who would use "rename" for renaming |
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| 15:13.35 | themill | does |
| 15:13.44 | abrotman | depends on the parameters .. i've used rename |
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| 15:14.10 | arghx | dustpan: what is your actual error when trying to use rename? |
| 15:14.13 | dustpan | but now i can never use rename again! should i not be upset? |
| 15:14.21 | arghx | and if you said you symlinked, what does it point to? |
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| 15:14.33 | dustpan | /usr/bin/rename |
| 15:14.41 | Iridos | arghx, people who want to rename 1000 files in a defined manner? |
| 15:14.43 | dustpan | error is no such file or directory |
| 15:14.53 | arghx | dustpan: being upset won't solve your problem, but feel free |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | dustpan: you can't rename the symlink or the original? |
| 15:15.41 | arghx | dustpan: ls -l /usr/bin/rename for a start |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | arghx: did you fix your network configuration ? |
| 15:15.58 | themill | (it should be a link to /etc/alternatives/rename) |
| 15:16.03 | dustpan | yeah it is |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | readlink -f $(which rename) |
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| 15:17.19 | arghx | arghx: was it broken? |
| 15:17.23 | dustpan | hmm it comes back with /etc/apache2/sites-available/rename |
| 15:17.36 | babilen | o_O |
| 15:17.40 | arghx | abrotman: ^^ |
| 15:17.41 | themill | nice one |
| 15:17.47 | dustpan | fuck knows what i did :S |
| 15:17.58 | babilen | (couldn't have said it better) |
| 15:18.28 | Iridos | now we only gotta find this guy called "fuck" and ask him |
| 15:18.33 | dustpan | :) |
| 15:19.00 | Iridos | probably best not done by running through the streets yelling his name, though |
| 15:19.42 | dustpan | so could anyone give me a pointer on what i need to do to fix it? |
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| 15:20.37 | abrotman | arghx: sorry, meant eternity13 |
| 15:21.00 | abrotman | dustpan: update-alternatives --config rename |
| 15:21.20 | Iridos | possibly rm /usr/bin/rename; ln -s /etc/alternatives/rename /usr/bin/rename |
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| 15:21.33 | dustpan | cheers abrotman |
| 15:21.37 | dustpan | and everyone :) |
| 15:21.50 | lulzfish_4 | I've done something a bit naive again here, I have a Debian 6.0 live USB that says the Windows drive was not unmounted cleanly, and Windows is refusing to boot. |
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| 15:22.24 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Success. It work. Thanks. will go and install and configure all what I need for http://community.aegirproject.org/node/389#Install_system_requirements |
| 15:22.30 | lulzfish_4 | Debian recommends I mount the drive in Windows but it's in a desktop so that is difficult |
| 15:22.42 | babilen | !congratulate Wolfflow |
| 15:22.43 | dpkg | Woohoo Wolfflow, you did it! |
| 15:22.58 | jelly | lulzfish_4: depending on how it's failing, you're likely going to need a windows installer cd to repair that |
| 15:23.08 | Wolfflow | babilen : dpkg THANKS! |
| 15:23.25 | lulzfish_4 | jelly: I'm not sure, Windows won't even go to safe mode |
| 15:23.28 | jelly | lulzfish_4: try the ##windows channel |
| 15:23.34 | lulzfish_4 | not a bad idea |
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| 15:24.13 | dustpan | So whilst I'm here, I have deployed a grails war to tomcat, created a virtual host for it in apache 2, it loads the right page but has no styleing, and the links all go to the wrong place, works if i go to it on 8080 (tomcat), have i made a simple mistake? |
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| 15:25.50 | babilen | Wolfflow: Hmm, those instructions are (at best) suboptimal. I am also not sure about those given for Debian on http://community.aegirproject.org/node/400 as their package quality is unclear. |
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| 15:27.35 | spal | Is exim4 the default MTA on Debian? |
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| 15:28.23 | babilen | Wolfflow: Please be aware that we (i.e. Debian) will not support those packages. Do you need exactly that software? |
| 15:28.27 | babilen | spal: yes |
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| 15:29.01 | spal | babilen, if I want to setup a mailing list with exim4, what should I go for? any ideas? |
| 15:29.12 | spal | ezmlm works only with qmail if I am right. |
| 15:29.15 | babilen | Wolfflow: Please also read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532923 |
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| 15:29.38 | babilen | spal: Why don't you use something like mailman ? |
| 15:29.45 | jelly | spal: dunno, Mailman may be overkill for a single list |
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| 15:30.06 | spal | babilen, okay. jelly, what would you suggest for say a couple of lists? |
| 15:30.13 | jelly | spal: mailman. |
| 15:30.14 | gangz | ALSA : no sound, can you help me ? fresh install debian squeeze |
| 15:30.40 | spal | jelly, okay. so mailman is an overkill only for a single list but is good if I plan to manage 2 or more lists. |
| 15:30.42 | babilen | Wolfflow: In particular http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532923#26 implies that their packages are of poor quality -- Please proceed with caution! |
| 15:31.11 | jelly | spal: yes. |
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| 15:36.53 | DeLorean731 | grr I'm totally drawing a blank - how would I print the text of a file to the console? |
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| 15:37.50 | jelly | DeLorean731: cat filename? less filename? |
| 15:38.06 | DeLorean731 | thanks - cat is what I was looking for (: |
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| 15:38.51 | threadlock | jelly: did you look at the panic screen earlier? http://bayimg.com/mAKmLAADg |
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| 15:39.44 | jelly | threadlock: yes, but I have no further ideas, sorry. Does the vm boot with a normal lenny kernel? |
| 15:40.24 | threadlock | jelly: i'll try.. it does boot with a squeeze kernel |
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| 15:45.40 | markatto | is there a way to select utc in the debian installer? It only seems to give me options for timezones in my country |
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| 15:46.12 | markatto | but I assume that it selects the locale based on the country I choose, so I want to choose my country correctly right? |
| 15:46.25 | arghx | markatto: why would you want to use UTC? |
| 15:46.51 | markatto | arghx: have servers in different timezones, want times to be consistent? |
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| 15:48.10 | markatto | obviously I can change the timezone after installing, but it seems strange to not be able to set it the way I want from the installer |
| 15:48.11 | themill | markatto: you can select Etc/UTC as a timezone afterwards with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; I presume that option is there in the installer too |
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| 15:49.07 | markatto | themill: i have been doing it that way after installation, I was just wondering if I could save a step |
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| 15:49.21 | jason404 | how do I check if a particular package is installed? |
| 15:49.36 | jason404 | I thought apt-cache show would do it, but it does not |
| 15:49.50 | spal | The qmail website has the title that it is the second most popular MTA on the internet: http://qmail.org/top.html but http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.201009/mxsurvey.html doesn't show. I do see some QMail Toaster though. |
| 15:50.04 | jelly | threadlock: oh. Well, use the squeeze kernel then and forget about the very similar backported one. |
| 15:50.06 | abrotman | jason404: apt-cache can .. |
| 15:50.12 | abrotman | jason404: so does dpkg and aptitude |
| 15:50.27 | jason404 | abrotman: so how? I usually use apt-xxx |
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| 15:52.11 | themill | jason404: did you look carefully at the output of "apt-cache packagename"? |
| 15:52.22 | Wolfflow | babilen: : Sorry I just read now your info. Will check out the link, thanks |
| 15:52.57 | jason404 | themill: did you mean apt-cache show packagename, or another option? |
| 15:53.21 | themill | jason404: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 15:53.30 | ceba_ | how can i teach ssh to add every password protected ssh-key to the ssh-agent? |
| 15:54.09 | Wolfflow | babilen: : You mean the Aegir Package? Yes I know. I am starting to install for development and sharing with some other collegues! |
| 15:54.12 | jason404 | okay, that works, thanks |
| 15:54.34 | jason404 | dpkg -L packagename also can be used, indirectly |
| 15:54.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename also can be used, indirectly |
| 15:54.54 | jason404 | whatever |
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| 15:55.30 | threadlock | jelly: well.. i'm not sure it is that easy for us, but perhaps it could work as a workaround for those rare caseses where we have to install lenny on virtual servers =) |
| 15:56.24 | wisc | hi, is there a way to install xorg without all the drivers that come with the meta package? |
| 15:56.35 | babilen | Wolfflow: Yes, I was referring to the aegir packages |
| 15:56.53 | threadlock | (we're using FAI to install debian on workstations, laptops and physical and virtual servers) |
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| 15:57.31 | jelly | threadlock: you could write to the backports people about the panic |
| 15:57.31 | Wolfflow | babilen : Many thanks for notice to me. I will read with attention the bug reported. :-) |
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| 15:57.39 | themill | dpkg: tell jason404 about installed test |
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| 15:58.06 | jelly | threadlock: eg. I expected that backport to be essentially the same kernel as squeeze, but obviously it's not |
| 15:58.11 | jason404 | themill: okay thanks |
| 15:58.22 | karloskar | hello, i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Center |
| 15:58.35 | wisc | anyone? |
| 15:59.23 | Hydroxide | karloskar: What version of debian is this? |
| 15:59.29 | threadlock | jelly: ok. yeah, me too.. thanks |
| 15:59.32 | jelly | threadlock: "Please report bugs that you found in the packages to the backports mailinglist and NOT to the Debian BTS!" http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 15:59.37 | babilen | Wolfflow: It is not so much a real bug as the bug that tracks the process of including aegir into Debian. The message (#26) I linked earlier lists a couple of problems that have been found in the upstream aegir packages which prevent it from being included in Debian right away. |
| 16:00.22 | karloskar | please help me, hello, i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Ce |
| 16:00.35 | abrotman | jason404: apt-cache show foo .. it will show which version is installed or none |
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| 16:00.44 | Silent | Hello people. |
| 16:00.46 | Hydroxide | karloskar: we heard your question the first time. what version of debian are you using? |
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| 16:00.58 | wisc | is there a way to install xorg without all the drivers that come with the meta package? |
| 16:01.04 | karloskar | i havent a lot of memory on my laptop so, i need to remove it before i install chromium |
| 16:01.08 | jason404 | abrotman: no, I use that to get info on any app I am about to install |
| 16:01.18 | karloskar | i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Center |
| 16:01.21 | Silent | Could anyone help me find where is the Debian/kfreebsd i386 installer ISO image located in the mirrors? |
| 16:01.21 | karloskar | i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Ce |
| 16:01.22 | karloskar | i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cev |
| 16:01.23 | karloskar | vi cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Ce |
| 16:01.23 | Hydroxide | wisc: yes, just install the packages you need |
| 16:01.23 | karloskar | i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Ce |
| 16:01.24 | karloskar | i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Ce |
| 16:01.27 | Wolfflow | Babilen Yes indeed I have read about. This is why I am not using the package but setting up aegir manually. |
| 16:01.28 | karloskar | i cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Cei cant remove the default web browser trough the Software Ce |
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| 16:01.54 | Mimoso98 | hi |
| 16:02.07 | Mimoso98 | I'm trying to mount a USB memory doing this in my stab file: |
| 16:02.08 | Mimoso98 | /dev/sdb /media/usb auto user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 16:02.15 | Mimoso98 | but when I do mount /dev/sdb |
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| 16:02.21 | Hydroxide | that was getting weird :) |
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| 16:02.31 | Mimoso98 | I get mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:02.34 | Mimoso98 | ? |
| 16:02.38 | wisc | Hydroxide: that's the thing, i'm not sure what i need to get the least bloated, yet still functional xorg up and running |
| 16:02.42 | Bartzy | babilen: Sorry, I had to go without notice. So ext3 can only be shrinked when unmounted ? Also, what's the best FS to choose for a laptop ? |
| 16:02.45 | Mimoso98 | How can I mount a simple memory sUSB stik??? |
| 16:02.48 | systemclient | If a package is not changed for 10 days in Unstable it goes to Testing, right? |
| 16:03.02 | systemclient | Mimoso98: with graphical user interface or console? |
| 16:03.15 | Mimoso98 | console |
| 16:03.16 | systemclient | Mimoso98: in KDE/Gnome you should just be able to open it in Dolphin/Nautilus |
| 16:03.18 | Mimoso98 | it's a server thanks |
| 16:03.25 | Bartzy | The regular needs/wishes: Fast boot/load time, general performance, and robust against crashes |
| 16:03.35 | systemclient | Mimoso98: # mount /dev/sdxn /media/usbstick |
| 16:03.35 | jelly | systemclient: and if it's not very buggy, and if its dependencies are satisfied in testing, and I probably forgot something |
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| 16:03.43 | babilen | Wolfflow: Their instructions to do so are also suboptimal and might need adaptation to actually fit Debian's apache2 setup. Judging from #26 it seems pretty hard/impossible to run aegir from another (FHS compliant) location and not /var/aegir -- Looks as if upstream still has some work to do before aegir can be considered for inclusion in Debian. |
| 16:03.53 | Wolfflow | babilen : aegir is still in intense development and there is also airc channel: #eagir |
| 16:03.57 | systemclient | jelly: so for a desktop, testing might be a little more stable than unstable? |
| 16:04.00 | Hydroxide | wisc: if the package dependencies are satisfied with the xorg (or xserver-xorg) metapackage installed, it should work. specifically you need at least one video driver and presumably at least one input driver (most normal keyboard and mice on linux use evdev) |
| 16:04.01 | wisc | Hydroxide: i would be fine with the xorg meta package if all it installed was the deps listed here http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xorg but it also installs a bunch of drivers for video cards i won't ever use |
| 16:04.04 | Mimoso98 | device /dev/sdxn does not exist |
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| 16:04.22 | systemclient | Mimoso98: well, you have to know which device it is, maybe sdb or sdc |
| 16:04.23 | abrotman | jason404: about to install ? |
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| 16:04.29 | jelly | systemclient: a little, yes. Basic rule of thumb: if you need to do work today, do not upgrade. |
| 16:04.29 | Mimoso98 | it's sdb |
| 16:04.30 | babilen | Bartzy: Yes and I would recommend ext3/ext4 |
| 16:04.38 | Hydroxide | wisc: the dependencies are the -all packages *OR* the individual driver packages. the dependencies have alternatives built in |
| 16:04.38 | systemclient | Mimoso98: if you have one disk, it will be b |
| 16:04.50 | jason404 | abrotman: yes, it gives info on any package |
| 16:04.51 | Mimoso98 | ok, but again: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:04.52 | Bartzy | babilen: ext4 can shrink without umounting? Also, more importantly, why ext4 and not 3 ? |
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| 16:05.12 | abrotman | jason404: sorry, meant apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 16:05.18 | systemclient | jelly: but it does work? I know people with Arch do not have many problems -- so I guess unstable might not implode every hour? |
| 16:05.28 | Hydroxide | wisc: really, it's saying that the dependencies need at least one video driver and at least one input driver, but if none are installed and the user didn't specify one, it will default to the -all one |
| 16:05.28 | Wolfflow | babilen : one of my task is to start to review the code and see to contribute and to see to work toward a stable release |
| 16:05.34 | babilen | Bartzy: No. But why are you planning to shrink the partitions already? |
| 16:05.34 | jason404 | abrotman: ok thanks. themill actually already told me about that |
| 16:05.46 | abrotman | jason404: sorry, brain fart :) |
| 16:05.52 | jason404 | np |
| 16:06.05 | jelly | systemclient: there are experienced Debian users using it as their workstation OS. |
| 16:06.06 | babilen | Wolfflow: Ok, please take the points raised in #26 serious then and try to fix them. |
| 16:06.13 | Hydroxide | wisc: so just install what's right for your system, which is probably at least the evdev input driver, maybe the synaptics or wacom depending on your touchpad/tablet hardware, plus your video chipset driver |
| 16:06.16 | Bartzy | babilen: so I can choose sizes recklessly :p |
| 16:06.26 | Hydroxide | wisc: and that will satisfy the corresponding bits of the xorg metapackage dependency |
| 16:06.31 | systemclient | jelly: so I might not get too bad results with Testing then (or should I go unstable directly?) |
| 16:06.31 | Bartzy | babilen: But umounting is not so bad if I do it only once.. |
| 16:06.33 | babilen | Bartzy: Just plan to grow them later on |
| 16:06.45 | Bartzy | babilen: But ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 16:06.53 | Bartzy | this is on squeeze, if it matters. |
| 16:07.05 | jelly | systemclient: depends on what your goals are. Do you want to help fixing bug in Debian? |
| 16:07.07 | Wolfflow | babilen : I will give my best to improve and contribute. will feedback here as we reach a better stream. thx |
| 16:07.07 | wisc | Hydroxide: oh. that makes sense. but it'd be nice if it gave a message saying that it was going to default to the -all flag |
| 16:07.25 | babilen | Bartzy: Up to you -- You might want to use some of ext4 features. (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features) |
| 16:07.30 | systemclient | jelly: I just want the latest stuff, I package myself and do not want to wait a year until it shows up in Stable |
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| 16:08.06 | Hydroxide | wisc: yeah, it's hard to generalize such a message properly to all cases of alternatives in dependencies |
| 16:08.25 | Hydroxide | wisc: but when dependencies have alternatives, any one will satisfy the package manager |
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| 16:08.53 | babilen | Wolfflow: Are you part of aegir's development team? I would recommend to contact the prospective Debian maintainer (i.e. The Anarcat <anarcat@anarcat.ath.cx>) and discuss the issues directly. |
| 16:09.21 | wisc | Hydroxide: thanks for all your help. :) quick question before i leave though, is there a way to run a command that's written in a text file without making a bash script? it's just one line |
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| 16:09.48 | Hydroxide | wisc: if the file contains just a bash command line, then just type 'bash thefile' |
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| 16:10.06 | Hydroxide | wisc: it effectively is a bash script already, minus the executable permission bit and the #!/bin/bash line at the top |
| 16:10.27 | Wolfflow | babilen: : No I'm not part of the team yet. I just wanted to have a development server ready first the I will contact the Team to start working together. Sure I will contact anacart. |
| 16:10.29 | wisc | Hydroxide: perfect. thanks again :) |
| 16:10.34 | Bartzy | babilen: Thanks! ext4 is considered stable? |
| 16:10.35 | Hydroxide | np |
| 16:10.42 | systemclient | Bartzy: I use it for forever now |
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| 16:11.15 | babilen | Wolfflow: It might also be appreciated if aegir's development team is aware of the issues that have been raised with its software. |
| 16:11.15 | Bartzy | systemclient: Any performance improvements you checked/noticed over ext3 ? |
| 16:11.19 | fsgxdroid | hi, what is the package name to mount iso in nautilius? |
| 16:11.21 | Hydroxide | Bartzy: it's stable enough that lots of distros, including the upcoming wheezy release, default to it |
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| 16:11.45 | Bartzy | Cool. That's a good note :) and the version of it in squeeze is as stable ? |
| 16:11.54 | babilen | Bartzy: I personally consider it stable, yes. Others might disagree and ext3 is definitely the more conservative^Wtested choice |
| 16:12.10 | Wolfflow | babilen I will inform the team for sure on the Drupal.org Aegir group and on their aegir-community site. |
| 16:12.27 | babilen | Wolfflow: Thank you! |
| 16:12.37 | Bartzy | babilen: Would you use it for a server ? |
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| 16:12.53 | babilen | Bartzy: yes |
| 16:12.54 | alwaysgood | Squid3 still work with pam correctly at Debian Squeeze? |
| 16:12.55 | Silent | What's the netboot installer? |
| 16:12.56 | Wolfflow | babilen : I toke notice of the issue. Thanks to you too. :-) |
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| 16:13.01 | spersaud | how do I remove colors when I do an "ls" again ? |
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| 16:13.35 | babilen | !tell Silent -about netboot |
| 16:13.42 | Silent | Thank you. |
| 16:13.53 | babilen | Silent: You are welcome |
| 16:13.54 | Bartzy | babilen: Thanks a lot. I have one last question: I should use noatime, right ? |
| 16:13.59 | Bartzy | as a mount option |
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| 16:14.28 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: There are still some programs that can't deal with ext4, there is no performance improvement, in fact it's probably slower. |
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| 16:14.34 | babilen | Bartzy: Why? |
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| 16:14.54 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: I'm getting mixed signals :p |
| 16:14.55 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: What it does have is improved ability to deal with extremely large files and/or extremely large filesystems. |
| 16:15.10 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: It is not "better" simply because it's newer. |
| 16:15.15 | babilen | +1 |
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| 16:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: For nearly all desktop setups it's unnecessary, and ext3 is a better choice. |
| 16:15.33 | Bartzy | babilen: You just said you would use it :p |
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| 16:15.42 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Why ? |
| 16:15.47 | systemclient | Bartzy: I could not tell. I just use it since it is the standard with Ubuntu :-/ |
| 16:15.48 | babilen | Bartzy: I was referring to noatime |
| 16:15.50 | Bartzy | babilen: noatime - to improve performance a bit ? |
| 16:16.10 | babilen | Bartzy: Up to you -- Does it provide a measurable performance gain for your setup? |
| 16:16.11 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: it is older, better understood, better incorporated into more software. |
| 16:16.31 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: You mean FS utilities ? |
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| 16:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: You don't want a three-ton truck with a 454 that gets 8 mpg if you're running around town doing small errands. |
| 16:16.57 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Anything that deals directly with the filesystem. |
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| 16:17.14 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: ext4 doesn't imporve boot time ? |
| 16:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: There are some applications that access it directly, and not all have had the ext4 extensions added to them. |
| 16:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: No, it does not improve boot time. If anything it would slow it down. |
| 16:17.51 | babilen | Bartzy: What are you actually trying to build here? What will your box be used for? Which services will you offer? What kind of data/files are you expecting? |
| 16:17.57 | systemclient | starts another Debian installation :) |
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| 16:18.45 | spal | any idea why aptitude says that sendmail is not installed: http://pastebin.com/U4Vc1MXS ? |
| 16:19.17 | systemclient | jelly: would you rather recomment Testing or Unstable for everyday use? |
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| 16:20.24 | Bartzy | babilen: Actually, I asked about the server only to know about stability. It's my work laptop. Using it for coding, watching movies, internet. lots of programs opened. |
| 16:20.42 | jason404 | spal: you got lots of users/mail? |
| 16:20.56 | babilen | spal: "aptitude search '~i~nsendmail'" gives you what? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:20.57 | spal | jason404, no. this is on my laptop. |
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| 16:21.22 | jason404 | spal: don't use that sendmail crap then. exim4. a doddle to set up |
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| 16:21.34 | spal | jason404, yeah exactly. that's what I am trying. :) |
| 16:21.42 | jason404 | spal: it's installed by default I think |
| 16:21.46 | babilen | spal: And yes, using postfix or exim4 is a good idea |
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| 16:22.02 | spal | babilen, output: http://paste.debian.net/135491/ |
| 16:22.19 | babilen | spal: There you go :) |
| 16:22.30 | jhutchins_lt | sendmail is a great system. |
| 16:22.34 | babilen | spal: What about "aptitude why sendmail-base" ? |
| 16:22.42 | spal | jason404, I removed it last year because PHP sendmail() wasn't working with it. PHP invokes sendmail with -i which means standard input usage in exim4. |
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| 16:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | Rumors of problems with sendmail date back to the "lilo can't handle large disks" era. |
| 16:23.29 | spal | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/135492/ |
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| 16:25.06 | babilen | spal: Ok, that should answer your question. |
| 16:25.13 | spal | yes thanks. |
| 16:25.24 | spal | I'll restore exim and use exim for my SMTP needs. |
| 16:25.29 | Bartzy | babilen? |
| 16:25.32 | babilen | Bartzy! |
| 16:26.02 | Bartzy | :) |
| 16:26.11 | Bartzy | babilen: You asked what I'm using the system for |
| 16:26.17 | babilen | Bartzy: Sounds as if you have no specific needs and can use ext3 or ext4 |
| 16:26.29 | Bartzy | thanks. |
| 16:26.40 | spal | I see that "aptitude upgrade" works but it is not documented in the man page. Is it a synonym for "full-upgrade" or "safe-upgrade"? |
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| 16:27.23 | Bartzy | Any reason to have any reserved blocks for non-root partitions on ext3 ? |
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| 16:27.28 | Bartzy | for example, /home partitions |
| 16:27.46 | spal | I want to know which package installed: /etc/mail/helpfile - Is there a command? |
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| 16:28.33 | themill | spal: you'll need to purge the sendmail packages; /msg dpkg purge; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:28.46 | alwaysgood | Squid3 still work with pam correctly at Debian Squeeze? Im trying to implement Squid with Unic Authentication, but for some reason is not working. |
| 16:28.48 | monstaRtruck | hey do we cover mint debian |
| 16:29.13 | monstaRtruck | for some reason geany doesnt want to load remote files |
| 16:29.19 | jelly | systemclient: in this channel, I'll go with "use stable instead, if you can" |
| 16:29.26 | themill | monstaRtruck: there's a #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for mint users. |
| 16:30.05 | spal | 'apt-file find /etc/mail/helpfile' gives no output. |
| 16:30.19 | systemclient | jelly: I do not want to use stable ⦠it is too old for me |
| 16:30.36 | themill | spal: did you run "apt-file update" as dpkg said? (you could also use dpkg -S on an installed package) |
| 16:30.47 | themill | systemclient: too well tested, you mean? |
| 16:31.03 | spal | themill, I use aptitude. I ran aptitude update. Wouldn't that be enough? |
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| 16:31.13 | systemclient | themill: probably. I am young, and I want the bleeding edge. But not the trouble associated with it :) |
| 16:31.25 | babilen | Hmm, my dpkg-query seems to be borken :-/ |
| 16:31.30 | monstaRtruck | they banned me themill |
| 16:31.36 | monstaRtruck | :~( |
| 16:31.51 | themill | monstaRtruck: then say sorry and get on with your life. |
| 16:31.57 | monstaRtruck | sory |
| 16:31.59 | jelly | systemclient: you have conflicting requirements |
| 16:32.01 | babilen | monstaRtruck: Speak to the operators in that case. We only support Debian and you are welcome here if you use Debian, but we can and will not support mint. |
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| 16:32.16 | themill | spal: you just installed apt-file.... think about what it does and how it might do that. |
| 16:32.27 | monstaRtruck | but i wana stay minty fresh? |
| 16:32.29 | spal | yes, trying apt-file update. |
| 16:32.54 | th0r1 | monstaRtruck: I can see why they banned you |
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| 16:33.16 | systemclient | jelly: I know. So I go with testing. If it is too boring, I can still go to unstable, and if everything breaks I just fire up my ubuntu |
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| 16:36.20 | systemclient | There is testing-updted and testing-secuity, is there? |
| 16:36.41 | themill | systemclient: neither have useful content 99% of the time, but yes they exist. |
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| 16:37.17 | systemclient | themill: so I just replace "squeeze" with "testing" and leave the three sources there? |
| 16:37.24 | themill | testing-proposed-updates (not testing-updates, there wont' be a wheezy-updates until much later in the release cycle) |
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| 16:37.39 | themill | does a little iyhtays dance |
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| 16:38.27 | monstaRtruck | <th0r1> i can c y ur parents gave u up for adoption |
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| 16:38.56 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 16:39.00 | themill | monstaRtruck: I think we've had enough. again. Please do try to be more signal and less noise in the future. |
| 16:39.32 | tharkun | S/N relationship is expected to be at leas 0 db |
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| 16:40.27 | Bartzy | if I have 4GB RAM on my laptop and I want to hibernate, I need more than 4GB, right? 6GB ? |
| 16:40.31 | spal | "pi exim4 - metapackage to ease Exim MTA (v4) installation" -- What does p and i mean together? |
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| 16:41.21 | themill | spal: the header to the output explains the state abbreviations; see also dpkg(1) |
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| 16:43.17 | tharkun | Is there a colaboration suite to exchange files like google apps in Debian? (Problem is internet link is painfully bad) |
| 16:43.48 | spal | themill, no header in aptitude output: http://paste.debian.net/135497/ |
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| 16:44.47 | themill | spal: oh, I thought you were looking at dpkg output; /msg dpkg aptitude states |
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| 16:50.17 | markatto | tharkun: how heavyweight are you looking for? |
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| 16:51.03 | jmeb | gooday all -- creating my first RAID5 array with mdadm, once created is it normal that one (of three) disk is listed as a spare? |
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| 16:51.12 | tharkun | markatto: It is for a school whose connection is not that stable. I don't know some 20 users i believe they might require more in the future |
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| 16:51.23 | markatto | tharkun: there are a couple hardcore groupware suites, such as zimbra |
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| 16:51.57 | tharkun | markatto: I didn't know zimbra had spreadsheet and word processor |
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| 16:52.34 | markatto | tharkun: oh, you want online editing? I don't know of any open source solution that is workable |
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| 16:53.38 | i5513 | hi people, |
| 16:53.47 | tharkun | markatto: Actually They are dying to switch to Google Apps because according to them it will solve them a lot of problems. In reality they do not have the connection to support it. 4 computers trying to access a simple page was needed to collapse their connection |
| 16:53.51 | Fredxz | Hi person. |
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| 16:54.06 | i5513 | any of you using wget 1.13-1 from sid ? |
| 16:54.23 | i5513 | wget "https://gmail.com" is hanging at start .. |
| 16:54.45 | i5513 | can somebody test in his computer ? |
| 16:54.54 | i5513 | with wget 1.12 it doesn't happen |
| 16:55.12 | i5513 | it hang reading certificates from /etc/ssl/certs |
| 16:55.12 | nkuttler | i5513: works for me |
| 16:55.24 | ikonia | i5513: why are you wgetting a webmail logging |
| 16:55.27 | ikonia | login |
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| 16:55.53 | i5513 | ikonia, only for testing issue (i have another site with a cert in my intranet) |
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| 16:56.24 | i5513 | nkunttler, you have your debian uptodate to sid ? |
| 16:56.25 | spal | So, I have "pi exim4". It means exim4 is not installed and it is going to be installed. When is it going to be installed? |
| 16:56.53 | markatto | tharkun: sounds like your best option is some kind of network file share |
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| 16:57.07 | DjSt3rios | Hello |
| 16:57.19 | [Sanyi] | !package search sid nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx |
| 16:57.22 | K-J158 | hi |
| 16:57.27 | [Sanyi] | :P |
| 16:57.33 | [Sanyi] | !package search testing nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx |
| 16:57.37 | DjSt3rios | If someone could help me I would appriciate it. I am new user using Linux, and I have a problem installing Java |
| 16:57.38 | themill | spal: next time you tell aptitude to do something to do with package management, e.g. "aptitude install" |
| 16:57.47 | spal | okay |
| 16:57.56 | themill | [Sanyi]: alternatively, you could just ask your question |
| 16:58.04 | DjSt3rios | Can someone body tell me how I could install java? |
| 16:58.13 | themill | dpkg: tell DjSt3rios about install java |
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| 16:58.22 | tharkun | markatto: thanks I thought of NFS as a first line of defense but they say Google Apps is far more complete than that. I think i need further research |
| 16:58.38 | [Sanyi] | am, i used a sid nowdays, but today the nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx is deleted the repository |
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| 16:58.46 | spal | "aptitude upgrade" is a synonym of "full-upgrade" or "safe-upgrade"? |
| 16:59.02 | themill | spal: the man page for aptitude tells you that (as does "aptitude upgrade") |
| 16:59.03 | [Sanyi] | and my sid crased.. |
| 16:59.06 | [Sanyi] | :/ |
| 16:59.18 | i5513 | spal: I think safe-upgrade |
| 16:59.22 | spal | okay |
| 16:59.53 | i5513 | spal: but |
| 17:00.09 | i5513 | I didn't read about in manpage, so ... may be that won't exist ? |
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| 17:00.50 | TheCoffeMaker | DjSt3rios, what Linux flavor are you using ? |
| 17:01.16 | Fredxz | GNU/Linux distribution* |
| 17:01.25 | DjSt3rios | If you mean version, Debian 6 |
| 17:01.45 | DjSt3rios | I need the normal java |
| 17:01.51 | DjSt3rios | I want to run a java server |
| 17:02.01 | DjSt3rios | so probably I need the normal version of java |
| 17:02.05 | babilen | !tell DjSt3rios about install java |
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| 17:02.11 | DjSt3rios | but Do I have to pay for it? |
| 17:02.12 | TheCoffeMaker | DjSt3rios, check if you have contrib and non-free on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:02.28 | themill | DjSt3rios: does "aptitude install openjdk-jre" not work for you? |
| 17:02.29 | babilen | DjSt3rios: I'd recommend openjdk |
| 17:02.41 | DjSt3rios | with openjdk I can still run java apps? |
| 17:02.44 | babilen | *openjdk-6-jre |
| 17:02.53 | themill | err.. yes |
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| 17:03.00 | DjSt3rios | hmm |
| 17:03.04 | DjSt3rios | I will try it but |
| 17:03.09 | themill | DjSt3rios: what do you mean by a "java server"? |
| 17:03.12 | DjSt3rios | I need jdk actually |
| 17:03.16 | DjSt3rios | Im running a game server |
| 17:03.18 | boudiccas | stop using your enter key for punctuation |
| 17:03.20 | babilen | DjSt3rios: Sure, why shouldn't you? It even is the reference implementation for 7 and sun's/oracle's version will be removed from Debian soonish. |
| 17:03.22 | DjSt3rios | which is using java |
| 17:03.45 | K-J158 | can anyone help me please ? i've do a apt-get dist-upgrade this morning, to upgrade to debian 6.0.3 but the installed linux-image is still 2.6.32-5 |
| 17:03.46 | themill | DjSt3rios: "aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk", then. |
| 17:03.55 | DjSt3rios | alright Thanks, i will try it |
| 17:04.07 | themill | K-J158: upgrade from what to 6.0.3? |
| 17:04.20 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze |
| 17:04.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38) |
| 17:04.24 | babilen | ... probably just a missing linux-image metapackage |
| 17:04.25 | K-J158 | when i do a apt-cache show linux-image-amd64, the showed version is 2.6.32-29.. ?! |
| 17:04.43 | K-J158 | themill, from last stable debian |
| 17:04.50 | themill | K-J158: don't confuse the kernel ABI in the package name with the kernel package version. |
| 17:04.53 | K-J158 | from squeeze |
| 17:04.55 | boudiccas | 6.9.2 |
| 17:04.56 | systemclient | I just installed testing and my sound is very faint. (KDE-VLC) Any way to check up on volumes there (alsamixer, pavucontrol)? |
| 17:05.05 | boudiccas | 6.0.2 better |
| 17:05.06 | babilen | K-J158: What does "dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" give you? (paste to http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 17:05.41 | systemclient | has his sound problem resolved -- nevermind |
| 17:05.56 | markatto | tharkun: yeah using a groupware solution can give some more order to it, but there's really nothing comparable to google apps that you can run locally |
| 17:06.01 | babilen | K-J158: -29 is the correct version is it not? |
| 17:06.04 | babilen | checks |
| 17:06.12 | babilen | ,versions linux-image-amd64 |
| 17:06.14 | markatto | themill: there are a few competitors, but they are all software as a service |
| 17:06.14 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.0.0+39; sid: 3.0.0+40 |
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| 17:06.25 | K-J158 | hm |
| 17:06.28 | K-J158 | strange |
| 17:06.30 | K-J158 | wait |
| 17:06.40 | K-J158 | http://paste.debian.net/135503/ |
| 17:06.50 | K-J158 | before asking i removed all linux-image packages |
| 17:06.55 | boudiccas | K-J158; stop using your enter key as punctuation |
| 17:07.05 | babilen | K-J158: Please do *not* use your enter key as a substitute for punctuation. Thank you :) |
| 17:07.21 | n0sq | does debian have a disk defragmenter like shake? there's a package for shake but it's not the same as shake for, say, Mandriva. |
| 17:07.44 | K-J158 | clean aptitude (lol sorry..), and reinstall linux-image-amd64 package. i think it's ok now, right ? |
| 17:08.00 | babilen | K-J158: Those packages are up-to-date |
| 17:08.51 | K-J158 | ok. i'll try to reconfigure grub and reboot... string package name, no ? |
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| 17:10.04 | n0sq | http://www.vleu.net/shake/ |
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| 17:10.34 | babilen | K-J158: "string package name" huh? What do you mean? Isn't grub already configured? |
| 17:10.43 | boudiccas | n0sq; why dont you tell us what this 'shake' is? and debian is not windows, it doesn tneed a defragmenter |
| 17:10.47 | n0sq | thought that linux didn't need a defragmenter anyway but why would anyone develop such a utility for linux? |
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| 17:11.05 | n0sq | shake is a defragmentation utility |
| 17:11.06 | jelly-home | n0sq: it was a lie |
| 17:11.23 | systemclient | n0sq: it might be useful if it defragments the volume so you can split it |
| 17:11.24 | K-J158 | the package name is linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 and the kernel version is 2.6.32-38 ?! |
| 17:11.38 | jelly-home | n0sq: "didn't need a defragmenter as badly as some other OSes" |
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| 17:11.54 | systemclient | jelly-home: I guess with a SSD it should be history :D |
| 17:12.14 | jelly-home | systemclient: do you use SSD for all your data? |
| 17:12.14 | babilen | K-J158: yes |
| 17:12.27 | babilen | K-J158: err, no, not quite |
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| 17:12.39 | showy | does existe an apt command to determine the repository of a pkg ? |
| 17:13.05 | babilen | K-J158: The package name is linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, the kernel version is 2.6.32 and the package version is 38. -5- is the kernel ABI |
| 17:13.06 | systemclient | jelly-home: nope, I am not that rich :) |
| 17:13.06 | jelly-home | showy: apt-cache policy packagename shows something similar |
| 17:13.10 | boudiccas | showy; sudo apt-get install foo ........ just works |
| 17:13.11 | n0sq | so, why is the debian shake completely different from the mandriva shake? near as i can tell, the debian shake package isn't a defragmenter |
| 17:13.15 | jelly-home | systemclient: well then, there's your answer |
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| 17:13.28 | rww | showy: you may find apt-cache policy packagenamehere useful |
| 17:13.29 | K-J158 | what do you mean by "ABI" ? |
| 17:13.40 | jelly-home | n0sq: because it's some other software with a similar or identical name? |
| 17:13.43 | systemclient | jelly-home: but I never did defragment my Linux/Mac, so did I really miss something? |
| 17:14.01 | i5513 | showy: aptitude versions too |
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| 17:14.11 | babilen | K-J158: http://kernelnewbies.org/ABI |
| 17:14.19 | K-J158 | :-} |
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| 17:14.46 | jelly-home | systemclient: depends on your usage patterns |
| 17:15.20 | showy | apt-cache policy shows status, installed version, and candidate version only... maybe i need a flag ? |
| 17:15.25 | babilen | K-J158: application binary interface â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface |
| 17:15.29 | jelly-home | systemclient: I've noticed a 30% difference in full backup time saved after defgramenting ext3 with lots of small files |
| 17:15.39 | systemclient | jelly-home: how did you defrag? |
| 17:15.51 | jelly-home | systemclient: format a new fs and copy files |
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| 17:17.28 | i5513 | Can somebody compare their "annottate-output strace wget "https:/xxx/" with my own (wget 1.13: (sloooow) http://paste.debian.net/135507/) (wget 1.12 (fine): http://paste.debian.net/135509) ? |
| 17:17.37 | K-J158 | yes ! ok, good to know ! i've an last question... before this version, i was using a myself-compiled e1000e driver for my network card. i think that the kernel provided with latest debian version (6.0.3) embed this driver. is it true ? |
| 17:17.42 | i5513 | I see many "brk" system calls, but I don't know why .. |
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| 17:17.53 | systemclient | jelly-home: sounds time consuming :-/ |
| 17:18.10 | showy | nvm.. true thanks |
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| 17:20.33 | babilen | K-J158: Which NIC exactly? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) |
| 17:20.45 | AthomIk | is important libreoffice-gcj ? because apt-get wanna remove this if i install rosegarden ? |
| 17:21.08 | K-J158 | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1503] (rev 05) |
| 17:21.13 | babilen | K-J158: If you have the 82579 one you are lucky :) |
| 17:21.33 | babilen | !82579 |
| 17:21.33 | dpkg | Intel 82579 LAN on Motherboard devices (LOMs) are supported in-tree <e1000e> driver since Linux 2.6.36 and in Debian Squeeze since the <6.0.3> point release (Debian bug #627700). These include the 82579LM (PCI ID 8086:1502, found in the Dell Latitude E6320 and Lenovo ThinkPad T420, X220) and 82579V (PCI ID 8086:1503). Ask me about <install debian>. |
| 17:21.38 | jelly-home | systemclient: you have no idea |
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| 17:22.44 | systemclient | jelly-home: as in "I have 2 TB of data" or "I have a RAID-6 of SSDs"? |
| 17:22.59 | K-J158 | babilen, ok.. so my question is : i've a e1000e.ko in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/e1000e/... is it my own-compiled driver.. or this provided by debian.. :( if you are on debian 6.0.3, can we compare cksum of this file ? |
| 17:23.55 | systemclient | jelly-home: brb |
| 17:24.08 | AthomIk | what s the best apt-get install or aptitude install ??? resultat is not egal.... ? |
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| 17:24.19 | babilen | K-J158: I am not |
| 17:24.26 | AthomIk | apt-get give not the choice..... hummmm |
| 17:24.31 | K-J158 | ok |
| 17:24.43 | K-J158 | i'll try to see on the package |
| 17:24.47 | babilen | K-J158: And just use the module that comes with Debian's kernel |
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| 17:25.06 | K-J158 | thanks for yours answers babilen ! |
| 17:25.20 | babilen | K-J158: You are welcome, may you have a wonderful day :) |
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| 17:25.54 | i5513 | all the world is ok with wget https://www.kernel.org for example? :S |
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| 17:26.44 | K-J158 | my day is almost finished here :( |
| 17:26.54 | babilen | s/day/night in that case |
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| 17:27.04 | K-J158 | thannnks ;) ! |
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| 17:32.24 | K-J158 | hm... i think i'm not lucky.. my server had packet loss all the day, and that since upgrade... i think the e1000e driver provided doesn't work fine with my NIC |
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| 17:34.22 | K-J158 | yes... 97 packets transmitted, 25 received, 74% packet loss, time 96201ms |
| 17:34.45 | AthomIk | what s the best apt-get install or aptitude install ??? resultat is not egal.... ? apt-get force the "light" choice ? |
| 17:35.34 | AthomIk | how apt-get install choice ? |
| 17:35.35 | somiaj | AthomIk: what do you mean by the "light" choice? |
| 17:35.39 | K-J158 | and when i'm using rescue mode (povided by my hosting services), the connection is fine.. packet loss appears only when i'm on by fresh upgraded debian |
| 17:36.09 | AthomIk | somiaj: by the choice of minimum desinstall packages .... |
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| 17:37.17 | somiaj | AthomIk: so you want to not install the recomended and/or suggested pacakges? man apt-get or apptitude, there is a flag to not install them. --no-recomends I belive is the one for apt-get |
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| 17:39.37 | AthomIk | somiaj: no, in fact when i run aptitude install rosegarden, i have some choice, apt-get haven't this and desinstall one package |
| 17:40.01 | AthomIk | libreoffice-gcj |
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| 17:41.05 | somiaj | AthomIk: apt-get and aptitude use different logic. aptitude has super cow powers so you should use it. |
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| 17:45.06 | AthomIk | somiaj: ok thk |
| 17:46.09 | somiaj | AthomIk: there are multiple ways to resolve depends and conflicts in more complicated situations. Once you add recomended/suggested packages into the mix. apt-get and aptitude may treat paticular cases differentally cause of their slightly different logic. aptitude tries to be more interactive. (: |
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| 18:00.11 | systemclient | I just installed the proprietary nvidia drivers ⦠now X chews some 100% of my CPU. Is that normal? |
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| 18:00.25 | systemclient | I use KDE with full compositing |
| 18:00.31 | systemclient | on an nVidia 9500 GT |
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| 18:01.33 | lamah | how can i change splash image in grub2 |
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| 18:03.32 | spal | The tutorials on wiki.debian.org are official tutorials or tutorials written by users like us? |
| 18:05.21 | spal | hey babilen. I see you in irc.oftc.net as well with the exact same topic set at the exact same time for #debian. Are OFTC and Freenode in the same network or the two channels are synced? |
| 18:06.06 | tensorpudding | they're not the same network |
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| 18:06.45 | systemclient | Anyone an idea why X takes so much power? |
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| 18:07.10 | systemclient | it uses even more without compositing ⦠|
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| 18:09.18 | larsl | Hello. |
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| 18:11.33 | larsl | I've installed Squeeze on a 2GB disk image using KVM, but I'm having problems getting the graphics to work OK when I run it in KVM. All emulated video cards in QEMU except 'std' make the screen flicker and windows and pointers jump about to the point that it becomes unusable, and the 'std' is prohibitively slow (takes 10 seconds to refresh the entire screen). |
| 18:11.45 | larsl | This is with the latest QEMU packages in Squeeze. |
| 18:11.47 | tetreb | Hi, is a dns line in interfaces mandatory for internet? doesn't it use the gateway automatically? |
| 18:11.54 | larsl | Does anyone know what the problem might be, and how to solve it? |
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| 18:14.05 | larsl | I thought I'd try the builtin VNC server in QEMU instead of the VGA emulations, but then I couldn't connect to it from the host. The port forwarding doesn't seem to work either. |
| 18:14.30 | somiaj | tetreb: you need to have a dns set in /etc/resolv.conf -- if your using dhcp, many cliets will set that for you from the dhcp request. Adding a line in interfaces requires openresolve and is only if you don't want to use the one given to you by your server |
| 18:14.50 | acu | I have a partition with windows7 (NTFS) and want to make it as a virtual machine and run it in kvm - squeeze - how can I make it as an img so kvm will recognize it ? |
| 18:14.50 | somiaj | tetreb: if your using a static entry in interfaces it will leave your /etc/resolv.conf alone, so you'll have to set that yourself |
| 18:15.26 | tetreb | somiaj: Thanks! That's it. |
| 18:15.32 | larsl | acu: KVM will recognise the partition itself. You can do 'kvm /dev/sda2' or whatever the Windows partition is called. |
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| 18:16.00 | larsl | Or maybe not. It will need a MBR. |
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| 18:17.39 | acu | lars1: I have few options - in this one, I have windows7 installed in 100 GB partition and Debian in a 50 KB partition - the GRUB takes care of to boot options - you are telling me that if I boot in debian, I should fire the windows7 in kvm ? |
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| 18:17.48 | acu | I use virt manager |
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| 18:19.02 | larsl | acu: Sorry, I'm not sure. If it had been a separate disk with a separate master boot record and a bootloader you could just tell KVM to use it directly, but when it's on a partition some trickery is probably needed. |
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| 18:19.29 | acu | lars1: I can have it either way |
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| 18:20.06 | vivanov | networkmanager doesnt share internet connection in testing while it does in stable. the packets get filtered. how to fix ? |
| 18:20.25 | acu | so you tell me - have a different hard disk with debian - fire debian - mount the ntfs with Win7 then start virt manager and create a new virtual machine and point to the partition with windows7 |
| 18:21.32 | larsl | acu: No need to mount it. |
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| 18:23.04 | Fredxz | Would anyone be able to help me out getting a really minimal Debian system? |
| 18:23.08 | acu | lars - so my Win7 is NTFS - do I need to create machine from cli virsh or I can do it wit Virtual Machine Manager ? |
| 18:23.19 | Fredxz | I really just want to host a web server, I believe I will go for Apache because it can be extended quite a bit. |
| 18:23.27 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 18:23.29 | Fredxz | I have a fresh Debian install and I am going through the base system packages. |
| 18:23.50 | Fredxz | I wonder, things like, rsync, reiser4progs, do I need all this? |
| 18:23.52 | ChibaPet | Fred, do you have non-free ready? |
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| 18:24.05 | jelly-home | Fredxz: those are not part of the base system. |
| 18:24.09 | Fredxz | I am really afraid to remove certain things the system might need. |
| 18:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | Fredxz: rsync yes, reiser4 only if you plan to use reiser. |
| 18:24.19 | Bartzy | I have a dell latitude E5420 with a Intel Sandy bridge integrated GPU. It seems like Debian squeeze didn't recognize my screen correctly, and even though the resolution is fine, the DPI setting is wrong. How can I make debian recognize this screen ? |
| 18:24.26 | Fredxz | These get installed if you pick base system during Debian install. |
| 18:24.39 | Fredxz | Which is the minimum you need to select during the install. |
| 18:24.49 | jelly-home | Fredxz: did you unselect everything at the task selector dialog? |
| 18:25.04 | Fredxz | No, a base system was installed by my VPS provider. |
| 18:25.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:25.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 18:25.12 | Fredxz | But from my own experience I know these get installed through the base system. |
| 18:25.21 | jelly-home | Fredxz: they installed more than just the base debian system |
| 18:25.28 | Fredxz | I was wondering if there might be a simple guide that would explain what packages are non-essential towoards my VPS. |
| 18:25.30 | ChibaPet | Fredxz, look at the deborphan package - it can help identify things you don't need if you want to trim down. |
| 18:25.47 | Fredxz | Thank you ChibaPet, I am going to look into it now. |
| 18:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: You might see if the .39 kernel works any better, although it's more likely an xorg issue. There is a backport of xorg, though it may not be complete. |
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| 18:26.30 | ChibaPet | It's not entirely what you want, but it's in the right direction. In general don't worry too much about extra packages - what you want to audit and control are what services are running. |
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| 18:26.48 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: This will happen on ubuntu too ? It's so frustrating to install debian on laptops :\ |
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| 18:26.59 | spal | how do I know if /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf is being used or /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf? |
| 18:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: No idea. Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 18:27.23 | ChibaPet | Bartzy - ironically, I've never managed to get Ubuntu to run properly on a laptop. I've tried twice, and both times I gave up and went back to Debian, which just works. |
| 18:27.24 | Fredxz | ChibaPet, I am somebody who really likes it price, especially for my web server, if I do not need it, it has to go. |
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| 18:27.41 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: So if the .39 kernel doesn't work, there's no obvious solution ? |
| 18:27.49 | Fredxz | I ran it, it did not output anything. |
| 18:27.57 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: The problem is that the sandy bridge graphical chipset doesn't work with the older drivers, and it takes time to work the bugs out of new drivers. |
| 18:28.00 | Fredxz | Which is normal considering it is a fresh base install and I never really installed anything else to begin with. =/ |
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| 18:28.13 | ChibaPet | Fredxz, my recommendation then is to become comfortable with aptitude and look at dependencies. When you see a package you don't think you want, check to see how much churn you'll generate by trying to remove it. |
| 18:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: You may be able to set the dpi with an xorg.conf, but I don't know the details. |
| 18:28.34 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: and the .39 kernel or the 3.0 kernel have new drivers ? |
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| 18:28.47 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Search xorg forums and general linux forums for information on your specific chipset. |
| 18:28.59 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: They might. Check the changelog to be sure. |
| 18:29.13 | Fredxz | ChibaPet, going to compile a list and see if I am right or wrong in thinking if I need it or not. =/ |
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| 18:29.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Fredxz about uninstall everything |
| 18:29.46 | vivanov | .ÑÑÑе |
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| 18:31.17 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 18:31.28 | ChibaPet | dpkg: tell ChibaPet about uninstall everything |
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| 18:31.39 | spal | I have modified /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. What do I need to restart for the changes to appear in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 18:31.52 | ChibaPet | Oh, that's pretty cool. |
| 18:32.07 | ChibaPet | spal, are you using NetworkManager? |
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| 18:32.10 | spal | yes |
| 18:32.17 | ChibaPet | If so, restart your interface with that then. |
| 18:32.24 | ChibaPet | Remember that you'll lose your connections. |
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| 18:33.40 | dvs | !ops please silence Liquid-Silence |
| 18:33.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: dvs complains about: please silence Liquid-Silence |
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| 18:34.28 | ChibaPet | Thank you, jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:35.36 | LoRez | Liquid-Silence: have you fixed yourself? |
| 18:35.43 | dvs | o_O |
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| 18:36.34 | spal | hi |
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| 18:37.15 | cardamon | So I'm not sure which arch I should be getting. Kinda silly, but I've never used anything but i386, and now I'm finally building a 64-bit machine. |
| 18:37.26 | arghx | cardamon: amd64 |
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| 18:37.42 | cardamon | arghx: Is that the standard? |
| 18:37.59 | arghx | if you have to ask, then yes. it's the only one suitable for you then |
| 18:38.04 | mmnicolas | Is there a wiki of some sort where we explain what will happen to the default desktop on the next release ? |
| 18:38.24 | cardamon | mmnicolas: There's release notes. |
| 18:38.31 | cardamon | ...when the release comes out. |
| 18:38.42 | mmnicolas | that's a problem |
| 18:39.24 | arghx | mmnicolas: debian doesn't have a "default dekstop". but: wheezy will use gnome 3 |
| 18:39.42 | mmnicolas | oh really.. :( |
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| 18:40.44 | arghx | you are free to use any other desktop environment you want. debian ships with many |
| 18:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Pretty much everything works in amd64 now, though flash is still buggier than 32b. It's still true that if you don't know why you need 64b you're probably better off with 32b. |
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| 18:42.20 | dvs | cardamon: unless you have more than 4GB of memory |
| 18:43.32 | cardamon | More registers. |
| 18:43.34 | CyberWorld | I use a SSD for my main drive and know trim support wasn't fully supported until 2.6.33 and squeeze is 2.6.32 while trim support was started a bit before 2.6.30 |
| 18:44.03 | CyberWorld | What's missing from squeeze's kernel for TRIM? |
| 18:44.06 | arghx | CyberWorld: use a backports kernel |
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| 18:44.36 | systemclient | how can I go from nvidia back to noveau? I stepped into the xorg mess :-/ |
| 18:44.36 | arghx | cardamon: and more memory usage. in the realworld, 64bit is not faster than 32bit |
| 18:44.49 | arghx | systemclient: uninstall your nvidia packages |
| 18:45.16 | systemclient | arghx: is that it? |
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| 18:46.03 | arghx | systemclient: you might have to manually delete/rename your xorg.conf file(s), but yes, that's it |
| 18:46.05 | spal | systemclient, and you'll have to restore the original Xorg.conf files perhaps. |
| 18:46.25 | spal | systemclient, there must be an Xorg.conf.original automatically created by the nvidia installer. |
| 18:46.28 | arghx | there is no xorg.conf file originally. you don't want to have a xorg.conf file or anything under xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 18:46.41 | systemclient | there was no xorg.conf to begin with |
| 18:46.45 | spal | okay |
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| 18:47.10 | spal | I have /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Why so? |
| 18:47.13 | spal | I thought it's always there. |
| 18:47.14 | StyXman | I'm on debian sid and lately sudo does not set the right PATH environment, so f.i. sudo apt-get install foo does not work because it doesn't find ldconfig. any ideas? |
| 18:47.18 | systemclient | okay, so I just sift though aptitude and delete everything with "nividia" ⦠that will also uninstall these kernel modules (I have no idea of Kernel compoilation) |
| 18:47.30 | systemclient | spal: it is not needed any more, xorg can find everything automatically now |
| 18:47.31 | arghx | spal: not since etch or so unless you create it |
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| 18:47.50 | spal | systemclient, okay |
| 18:47.55 | arghx | systemclient: dpkg -l |grep nvidia and you see everything you need to remove |
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| 18:48.56 | systemclient | is than an i or an L? |
| 18:49.08 | ChibaPet | ell |
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| 18:49.12 | StyXman | systemclient: lowercase L |
| 18:49.30 | jelly-home | it's a "copy and paste it as-is" |
| 18:49.44 | themill | and check dpkg(1) to see what it says |
| 18:49.48 | systemclient | it is a "I am sitting on a nother computer since mine is not usable right now" :-) |
| 18:49.49 | Fredxz | How do I know whether bash or dash is being used? Both are installed, but is not only one used at a time? |
| 18:50.09 | systemclient | Fredxz: there is a $BASH_VERINFO |
| 18:50.21 | systemclient | arghx: so the "ii" ones are still there then? |
| 18:50.26 | nkuttler | Fredxz: $SHELL ? |
| 18:50.28 | themill | Fredxz: dash is used for scripting, bash is used for interactive shells |
| 18:50.31 | Fredxz | That did not output anything. |
| 18:50.35 | arghx | Fredxz: echo $SHELL ? |
| 18:50.35 | StyXman | Fredxz: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 18:50.44 | arghx | systemclient: yes |
| 18:50.51 | Fredxz | /bin/bash, so that means I can uninstall dash? |
| 18:51.07 | arghx | Fredxz: I wouldn't advise it |
| 18:51.11 | StyXman | Fredxz: depends of what you want |
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| 18:51.17 | nkuttler | Fredxz: nah, keep it |
| 18:51.29 | Fredxz | Well it says I am using bash and I do not plan to use anything else but bash. |
| 18:51.32 | Bartzy | how do I make only the kernel package to update from wheezy, but everything else to update/install from squeeze ? |
| 18:51.35 | Fredxz | So I assume dash will be installed and not be used ever. |
| 18:51.38 | systemclient | arghx: and rc means what? |
| 18:51.43 | nkuttler | Fredxz: you are wrong. the system uses it |
| 18:51.54 | Fredxz | Oh ok. |
| 18:52.00 | StyXman | nkuttler: not if /bin/sh point to bash? |
| 18:52.12 | nkuttler | StyXman: not if you rm -rf / either.... |
| 18:52.17 | StyXman | (it's a question because I'm not sure) |
| 18:52.19 | Fredxz | When I do echo $SHELL it says I am using bash. |
| 18:52.25 | arghx | systemclient: dpkg -l |less and you see |
| 18:52.36 | arghx | Fredxz: as themill said: interactive shell |
| 18:52.39 | themill | waits for the premature optimiser's brain to explode on the "but dash is faster... but then I have two shells installed" problem |
| 18:52.40 | CyberWorld | arghx, thx for the info was just looking into how to use backports for the delay in thanks |
| 18:52.55 | jelly-home | dash is faster?!?!? |
| 18:53.02 | nkuttler | !1 |
| 18:53.02 | StyXman | nkuttler: I mean, in which condition the system uses specifically dash if /bin/sh points to bash? |
| 18:53.10 | arghx | jelly-home: yes. JIT compiler |
| 18:53.25 | Fredxz | I do not want to know if dash is faster. |
| 18:53.29 | nkuttler | StyXman: you don't have dash installed then |
| 18:53.35 | themill | StyXman: by default from squeeze onwards and you are encouraged to make that change on lenny->squeeze |
| 18:53.37 | Fredxz | I want to know, if I use bash, and never intent to change, if dash needs to be there at all. |
| 18:53.38 | nkuttler | StyXman: or you messed with the symlinks |
| 18:53.44 | nkuttler | ... |
| 18:53.50 | StyXman | nkuttler: actually I do, it's Fredxz situation what I'm asking |
| 18:53.58 | jelly-home | Fredxz: it does not. |
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| 18:54.02 | Fredxz | I use Debian 6.0 64-bit. |
| 18:54.02 | AltrortlA | I've got a question: I put in my DEbian a SD disk memory 4Gb that comes from win7, and Linux do not detect memory card. So I have tried to check SD on Windows Vista, and it see folder and files (so I have removed it in secure mode). Back to Debian same result. But another SD of 512Mb is detected and usable. |
| 18:54.08 | Fredxz | Then I will purge it. :x |
| 18:54.17 | Fredxz | Thanks for the clarification. |
| 18:54.30 | themill | jelly-home, Fredxz: it does if you are running squeeze or later. |
| 18:54.41 | nkuttler | Fredxz: it's still a good idea to keep it, but do whatever you like |
| 18:54.46 | jelly-home | themill: need to be there? |
| 18:54.51 | StyXman | themill: I'm asking nkuttler for a clarification on his comment on Fredxz's situation, not a general one |
| 18:54.54 | Fredxz | Ok. |
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| 18:55.00 | Fredxz | Well. |
| 18:55.06 | Fredxz | When I try to purge it. |
| 18:55.09 | themill | jelly-home: check the PreDepends of bash. |
| 18:55.11 | themill | Fredxz: stop... |
| 18:55.12 | ChibaPet | Fredxz, have you looked through the fine selection of non-free packages? |
| 18:55.13 | Fredxz | It says Bash PreDepends on it. |
| 18:55.15 | Bushmills | Fredxz: consider that bash is about 10 times the size of dash - why not use a compact shell for all those scripts which only need a POSIX compliant shell, and not the superset bash gives? |
| 18:55.22 | jelly-home | hah |
| 18:55.27 | Fredxz | ChibaPet, I do not have the non-free repository enabled. |
| 18:55.42 | jelly-home | Fredxz: I stand corrected, you'll have to keep dash. |
| 18:55.53 | Fredxz | Ok, thanks for clearing it up. |
| 18:55.56 | StyXman | themill: wow, bash predepends on dash. |
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| 18:56.14 | StyXman | I didn't know that |
| 18:56.23 | ChibaPet | Hm, I use bash as a replacement for the pdksh I used to use. I wonder if I'd be sufficiently happy not using bash. |
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| 18:57.16 | StyXman | ChibaPet: I'm not sure I would use dash as a shell, but I do it as /bin/sh so start up scripts "run faster" |
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| 18:57.33 | Bushmills | ChibaPet: interactively? possibly not. |
| 18:57.38 | Fredxz | debianutils, this package has tools primarily used during the Debian installer. |
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| 18:57.43 | Fredxz | is not sure whether to keep or not. |
| 18:57.51 | Fredxz | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/debianutils |
| 18:58.04 | rdponticelli | debian-next is just for developers? |
| 18:58.06 | StyXman | Fredxz: keep |
| 18:58.06 | ChibaPet | Ah, hm. I'm seeing that it's not big on being interactive. |
| 18:58.07 | themill | Fredxz: why are you bothering (us) with all this again? |
| 18:58.18 | themill | rdponticelli: it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:58.22 | Fredxz | I am wondering what packages my system needs and does not need. |
| 18:58.33 | nkuttler | Fredxz: run debfoster |
| 18:58.40 | themill | Fredxz: why? what do you possibly hope to gain from this? |
| 18:58.40 | Fredxz | It is a freshly installed system. |
| 18:58.46 | pAt_ | has anybody an idea why the newsreader pan isn't in the wheezy repo at the moment? |
| 18:58.55 | Bushmills | your system doesn't need bash. not anymore. but you may want bash. |
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| 18:59.00 | StyXman | Fredxz: if it's fresh, then most probably you want it |
| 18:59.03 | rdponticelli | themill: I have to connecto to that server? |
| 18:59.05 | Fredxz | I will never use the software, it will never have to be updated, if there ever would be an exploit in one of them (which is always possible), I would be less affected. |
| 18:59.24 | nkuttler | Bushmills: i can't remove bash unless i type Yes, do as I say! |
| 18:59.32 | Fredxz | themill, that is why. |
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| 18:59.36 | Fredxz | Because I care, about such practices. |
| 18:59.39 | Fredxz | Which others do not bother about. |
| 18:59.44 | nkuttler | Fredxz: run debfoster |
| 19:00.00 | Fredxz | Is it the same as deborphan which I got advised to use and did not output anything? :/ |
| 19:00.00 | Bushmills | indeed. considered essential. |
| 19:00.05 | themill | Fredxz: you're making work for yourself and everyone else. How about you make it just work for yourself by reading the package descriptions. |
| 19:00.07 | StyXman | Fredxz: if you want to trimm down your installation, just stays away from Required packages. use aptitude |
| 19:00.08 | jelly-home | Fredxz: it's not the same. |
| 19:00.11 | Fredxz | themill. |
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| 19:00.17 | Fredxz | I am investing a bit of time in this. |
| 19:00.22 | Fredxz | For a server that will run like this for years. |
| 19:00.28 | Fredxz | So. |
| 19:00.33 | Fredxz | I want to take this time. |
| 19:00.41 | Fredxz | To learn as well what these base packages do and if I need them. |
| 19:00.43 | themill | no, you're going through the package list alphabetically and asking us about each package. |
| 19:00.49 | Fredxz | Not really. |
| 19:01.01 | Fredxz | I am only asking about those that are rather unclear after having looked them up on packages.debian.org. |
| 19:01.20 | Bushmills | nkuttler: i thought bash wasn't used anymore for init scripts at all, but there are still a few left with a bash hashbang |
| 19:01.41 | StyXman | Fredxz: jusr stay away from Required package, unless you know your system. give you time to learn it |
| 19:01.49 | Bushmills | nfs init scripts, for example |
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| 19:02.34 | smhar | greetingd |
| 19:02.41 | Fredxz | Thing is, I intent to run this server for years, perhaps even, it could run up to 10 years. If I invest a bit of time in removing these packages I will never ever use, over the years, they will not have to be updated, if exploits existi n them, I will not be affected. |
| 19:02.54 | Fredxz | I like to be efficient and only have installed what I really need. |
| 19:03.16 | Fredxz | Why leave it there consuming resources and having the posibility of having security exploits discovered in the future, really? |
| 19:03.19 | themill | if this is a public server, it should not be running for that long with those packages |
| 19:03.37 | ChibaPet | Fredxz, this is only useful if you plan to be compromised. You don't care about installed packages, you care about running services. |
| 19:03.44 | Fredxz | It will be a web server, so I am very careful about everything to prevent future problems. |
| 19:03.45 | smhar | I am planning to buy a new vga card, and I want to check to see if Geforce G210 1GB is working fine under debian wheezy. any one here is using this card? |
| 19:04.00 | Bartzy | I have no xorg.conf. How can that be ? |
| 19:04.00 | themill | "consuming resources" 216k of disk space... |
| 19:04.06 | StyXman | Fredxz: required packages are pretty well maintained |
| 19:04.15 | Fredxz | themill, and all those times it will check the repository for updates. |
| 19:04.19 | arghx | Bartzy: normal since lenny or so. no more need for xorg.conf |
| 19:04.20 | Fredxz | For perhaps these, 10 packages I might get rid off? |
| 19:04.24 | Fredxz | And considering it checks daily. |
| 19:04.25 | Fredxz | Every day. |
| 19:04.27 | Fredxz | For years to come. |
| 19:04.29 | Bartzy | arghx: Where can I set the DPI ? |
| 19:04.32 | Fredxz | Those resources stack up. |
| 19:04.37 | Fredxz | I was not talking about disk space. |
| 19:04.40 | StyXman | Fredxz: also, if you wanted a minimum system to gorw upon, you should have installed just base and the install the minimum you want |
| 19:04.41 | themill | less with the enter key, more with the brain in gear not neutral |
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| 19:04.50 | arghx | Bartzy: X does it automatically. why would you want to set DPI? |
| 19:04.57 | Fredxz | StyXman, the base includes things you do not end up using. |
| 19:05.05 | Bartzy | arghx: Fonts are extremely small |
| 19:05.07 | Fredxz | It includes tools for multiple file systems you would not even use. |
| 19:05.27 | StyXman | Fredxz: that you don't use or taht you think you don't need? |
| 19:05.30 | Fredxz | This is a base install, I am further stripping it down as it includes things I still not need. |
| 19:05.36 | Bartzy | arghx: a 14.1" laptop, 1600x900 resolution. But on windows fonts look much bigger and understandable... |
| 19:05.47 | ChibaPet | Fredxz, you're really going to freak when you consider all the kernel modules you don't need. And then there's the inefficiency of running modules anyway - get ready for a monolithic kernel without all that wasted code! |
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| 19:05.52 | Fredxz | StyXman, I do not really see the need to have xfsutils installed on an ext4 file system? =/ |
| 19:05.59 | nkuttler | Bartzy: hm, which model is that? |
| 19:06.03 | arghx | Bartzy: xrandr might have a setting. X should see the screensize tho and adjust accordingly |
| 19:06.06 | Bartzy | nkuttler: Dell E5420 |
| 19:06.14 | Fredxz | ChibaPet, I have a limit set on my perfectionism and efficiency. |
| 19:06.20 | Fredxz | If you were to think like that. |
| 19:06.25 | nkuttler | is shopping for a laptop |
| 19:06.26 | Fredxz | You would think much further than just software. |
| 19:06.30 | Bartzy | arghx: How can I see what is the screen size? xdpyinfo reports an incorrect phycial size. xrandr outputs correct size |
| 19:06.31 | Fredxz | And harware, and so forth and so forth. |
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| 19:06.54 | Fredxz | But really. |
| 19:06.57 | arghx | Bartzy: dunno. both should report the same in an ideal world :( |
| 19:06.58 | themill | Fredxz: please... stop hitting enter every 6 words and try writing full sentences. It makes you look even more like a nut case |
| 19:07.06 | Bartzy | I hate X |
| 19:07.32 | Fredxz | themill, shut the fuck up. |
| 19:07.37 | neil_m | dont worry X hates you |
| 19:07.38 | StyXman | Fredxz: if you want to be a total control freak, go for gentoo |
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| 19:07.51 | arghx | Bartzy: your Xorg log normally reports the physical screen size too |
| 19:07.53 | ChibaPet | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 19:07.54 | themill | Fredxz: please try to play nicely with the other kiddies |
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| 19:09.08 | Na_Klar | Could someone think of a sane reason why elinks should lost network-connection when rebooting and switching from eth1 to eth2? (Not that I would need elinks, but it makes me sceptic) |
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| 19:09.31 | StyXman | Na_Klar: rebooting? |
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| 19:09.50 | Na_Klar | styxman, yea i have to configure my networks right now |
| 19:10.17 | StyXman | Na_Klar: rebooting a machine stops all processes |
| 19:10.43 | Na_Klar | yea. therefor i configure etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:10.44 | nkuttler | what a lousy os :p |
| 19:10.45 | StyXman | Na_Klar: unless you mean rebooting the router has impact on your computer's elinks |
| 19:10.54 | Na_Klar | no |
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| 19:11.38 | StyXman | Na_Klar: if you switch from interfaces, you are basically changing the routing, so yes, you most probably lose all tcp connections |
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| 19:11.53 | Na_Klar | I want to fix the settings for the networks in /etc/network/interfaces. It works all fine. Eht1 is now dhcp and eht2 static. But when I boot with eth2 access, elinks does not get any connection. which is not bad, but i wonder why .. |
| 19:12.09 | StyXman | Na_Klar: ah! |
| 19:12.24 | StyXman | basically, your eth1 settings work but your eth2 don't |
| 19:12.28 | Na_Klar | jap |
| 19:12.45 | Na_Klar | in regard to elinks |
| 19:12.59 | StyXman | Na_Klar: is the only afected? |
| 19:13.00 | Na_Klar | everything else (webserver etc) works as expected |
| 19:13.07 | StyXman | ! |
| 19:13.12 | Na_Klar | sshd too |
| 19:13.28 | StyXman | so we're not talking about not setting properly the proxy... |
| 19:13.30 | StyXman | weird |
| 19:13.54 | Na_Klar | yeah, there is no proxy in use in neither case |
| 19:14.21 | jhutchins_lt | Default gateway? |
| 19:14.29 | StyXman | jhutchins_lt: everythiong else works |
| 19:14.29 | Na_Klar | 255.255.255.0 |
| 19:14.45 | StyXman | Na_Klar: hmmm, does is not possible as default gateway |
| 19:14.58 | StyXman | that's at most, a netmask |
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| 19:15.04 | Na_Klar | right, my bad |
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| 19:15.18 | Na_Klar | i did not specify a gateway for the static eth |
| 19:15.27 | Na_Klar | just address and netmask |
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| 19:16.11 | AthomIk | i have flashplugin-nonfree installed and epiphany can't read flash ???? |
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| 19:16.31 | AthomIk | but iceweasel is ok for flash |
| 19:17.41 | StyXman | Na_Klar: if you don't have a gateway, you should not be able to reach internet |
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| 19:17.49 | StyXman | Na_Klar: are you using eth2 now? |
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| 19:19.01 | Na_Klar | styXman, hm, interesting. If you are sure that not giving a gateway for static results in impossibility for internet-access, I definitely can not use eth2 .. wait a sec, please |
| 19:19.23 | StyXman | Na_Klar: your routing table must be interesting |
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| 19:20.02 | systemclient | how do I downgrade my xserver to 1.10? |
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| 19:20.17 | StyXman | systemclient: that question ahs no easy answer |
| 19:20.20 | StyXman | has* |
| 19:20.30 | Na_Klar | styxman, I reduced it now to the eth2 configuration. When I boot the machine whith that interfaces file, everything works exept elinks. http://codepad.org/1piF9aIp |
| 19:20.50 | systemclient | StyXman: so I am either stuck with a horrible nvidia glitch or with no 3D? |
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| 19:22.06 | AthomIk | i have flashplugin-nonfree installed and epiphany can't read flash ? but iceweasel can, where is my error ? |
| 19:22.22 | StyXman | systemclient: basically you have to download the packages by hand, there is no automatic way to do it |
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| 19:22.31 | spal | now that I am settling for exim4 for email, which POP3 server should I use with it? |
| 19:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | !partial downgrade |
| 19:22.37 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 19:22.48 | StyXman | Na_Klar: can you paste the output of "route -n"? |
| 19:23.07 | jelly-home | spal: dovecot seems to be the popular choice. And imap preferred over pop3. |
| 19:23.08 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: I used dovecot. It has it's own tls mech. |
| 19:23.30 | spal | jelly-home, okay. |
| 19:23.49 | systemclient | jhutchins_lt: I think you have a completely different problem than I have ⦠|
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| 19:24.18 | Na_Klar | styxman, of course: http://codepad.org/sAMjRIh0 |
| 19:24.54 | ws2k3 | hello people. i know this isnt the right channel to ask this question. but because i'm alot around here i wanne try it anyway. for 1u server which brand do u advice supermicro ,dell,intel,hp? |
| 19:25.25 | Na_Klar | I now think that 0.0.0.0 maybe the problem ... |
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| 19:25.31 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Depends on what's important to you. |
| 19:25.34 | StyXman | Na_Klar: you don't have a default GW. how you're reaching us is unknown |
| 19:25.52 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Dell and supermicro assemble components from other manufacturers. |
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| 19:26.23 | StyXman | Na_Klar: no, the 0.0.0.0 is ok |
| 19:26.27 | architek | Did something change again with ntfs? By default I get read only access while i used to have write access? I see package disk-manager, does one need this now? |
| 19:26.35 | StyXman | Na_Klar: that means no gateway |
| 19:26.45 | systemclient | jhutchins_lt: my aptitude SIGABRT when I type /~ |
| 19:26.46 | jelly-home | ws2k3: HP Proliant DL3xx series work very nicely on Debian |
| 19:26.50 | spal | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt , so it is common to let exim4 use Dovecot's authentication instead of configuring authentication separately for exim4? |
| 19:27.10 | alesan | hi! I have a computer running debian. I use ext3 as filesystem. This computer can be powered off at any time... so to avoid corruption I would like to mount the FS read-only and put only the very necessary directories mounted on tmpfs |
| 19:27.13 | StyXman | Na_Klar: basically what you have there is only the routing information to get to your network, but not how to reach another one |
| 19:27.23 | alesan | do you know if such thing can easily be done in debian? |
| 19:27.26 | jhutchins_lt | spal: Dunno how common it is, but possible. |
| 19:27.29 | jelly-home | spal: I'm not using exim4, so can't comment |
| 19:27.39 | AthomIk | flashplugin-nonfree is good for epiphany browser ? |
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| 19:27.54 | Na_Klar | styxman, I see. So - not sure - if I understood right, I need so specify a gateway, right? |
| 19:27.54 | StyXman | Na_Klar: just add the default gw and it should work. unless you really want to know how it's working now |
| 19:28.05 | StyXman | Na_Klar: yes, you need to |
| 19:28.17 | systemclient | jhutchins_lt: how can I prevent aptitude from upgrading to a error-prone 1.11 again? |
| 19:28.23 | qckheavy | hello people. i know this isnt the right channel to ask this question. but because i'm alot around here i wanne try it anyway. for 1u server which brand do u advice supermicro ,dell,intel,hp? |
| 19:28.50 | pipeline | those are all very fine choices qckheavy |
| 19:28.58 | Na_Klar | styxman, just for my understanding, you always mention "default" gateway. Is there something important in opposite to just a gateway? |
| 19:29.06 | themill | qckheavy: they were also quite good for ws2k3 |
| 19:29.13 | nkuttler | systemclient: /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:29.23 | somiaj | qckheavy: any of those companies make both quality computers and value line computers. If you read reviews pick the better quality of the company you want to support. |
| 19:29.26 | pipeline | qckheavy: the last time I bought a 1U for personal use, I found it was actually cheaper to buy a brand new dell with warranty than to get a supermicro/intel white box. Your mileage may vary. Check out the HP SMB online shop and the Dell Outlet SMB. |
| 19:29.26 | systemclient | !dpkg hold |
| 19:29.26 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
| 19:29.28 | qckheavy | me and ws2k3 are the same guy |
| 19:29.38 | qckheavy | lost my connection for a fer seconds |
| 19:29.42 | architek | ah ntfs-3g was removed because of a conflict with ntfsprog |
| 19:30.35 | qckheavy | pipeline well. its my first 1U server. they i need is a xeon processor with at least 24 gb of ram storage is not important |
| 19:30.43 | jhutchins_lt | qckheavy: Depends on what's important to you. Dell and supermicro assemble components from other manufacturers. |
| 19:30.50 | StyXman | Na_Klar: yes, but it's way beyound your needs. basically, the routing table has entries that say «if you need to reach this network, use this interface and (potentially) talk to this gateway. the default one is for the unknow networks. so, most machines with one interface have one entry to reach the inmediate network and another entry saying "for anyhting else, use this gateway" |
| 19:30.53 | qckheavy | a good connection is important so i think of intel NIC |
| 19:31.21 | jhutchins_lt | qckheavy: Actually, there are bugs in some of the current Intel chipsets. |
| 19:31.46 | Na_Klar | styxman, got it. Yeah, in my case one gateway does it. Thanks a lot for the kind support. |
| 19:32.03 | StyXman | Na_Klar: here, have mine as an example: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/6849 |
| 19:32.21 | StyXman | Na_Klar: no problem, it's better than watching TV :) |
| 19:33.05 | Na_Klar | styxman, ^^ yeah. And I thought already: The gateway should be simply the router ip. At least in my simple home network :P |
| 19:33.25 | qckheavy | aah ok. |
| 19:33.29 | StyXman | Na_Klar: yes, but the internal one, the one that it's in your network |
| 19:33.37 | Na_Klar | correct |
| 19:33.42 | qckheavy | what do u advice then the most important is the connection |
| 19:33.51 | qckheavy | i need the best possible network handeling |
| 19:34.13 | StyXman | there's quite a trick there: connecting to an unknown network means talking to the default gateway, but the routing table also must know how to reach it :) |
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| 19:34.27 | AthomIk | flashplugin-nonfree is good for epiphany browser ? |
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| 19:34.48 | StyXman | still, it's unbeliavable that it worked without the gateway, and so specifically not working |
| 19:34.48 | ChibaPet | Athomlk, so it appears from a quick Google search. Your mileage may vary. |
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| 19:37.10 | StyXman | and so it went... |
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| 19:40.28 | adam___ | hi all |
| 19:41.16 | adam___ | i have set up a debian box, and i am behind a router, i have forwarded the ort on my router, how do i make my server publically accessable to the wan and not only lan? |
| 19:42.29 | ChibaPet | adam__, sounds like you've done what you need to do - you forward a port from your router |
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| 19:44.41 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: What protocol? |
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| 19:45.56 | systemclient | I now downgraded the xserver to 1.10. I set the packages on hold in aptitude, how can I set them on hold system wide? |
| 19:45.57 | adam___ | jhutchinftp/http |
| 19:46.08 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: http/ftp |
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| 19:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Publicly accessible ftp server is a bad idea. |
| 19:46.47 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: You should use ssh/scp instead. |
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| 19:47.19 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Forward port 80 from the router to the webserver and it should work (assuming the web server already works on the lan). |
| 19:47.50 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: im pretty new to setting up a webserver. i can access the ip locally, but not locally |
| 19:48.15 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: so if you could advise i would greatly appreciate it |
| 19:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | How are you testing non-local access? |
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| 19:48.53 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: just typing in the wan ip |
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| 19:49.43 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Not gonna work. You need to relay off of an external machine, so that the packets reach the external port on the router in order for it to forward them, |
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| 19:50.16 | architek | adam___: you can try with http://translate.google.com/ |
| 19:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: What's your public address/hostname? |
| 19:50.25 | architek | (for http) |
| 19:50.47 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: ip? |
| 19:51.03 | jhutchins_lt | Whichever |
| 19:51.44 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: 92.237.228.241 |
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| 19:55.51 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: any luck? |
| 19:56.32 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Doesn't look like I'm getting any response. What kind of router? |
| 19:56.45 | salvin | a good avi editor with a gui? |
| 19:56.58 | jhutchins_lt | Check your access/error logs on the webserver and see if I hit anything. It just timed out, which suggests it's not forwarding. |
| 19:57.29 | arghx | jhutchins_lt: or the ISP blocks it? |
| 19:57.31 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: netgear |
| 19:58.09 | architek | salvin: openshot, avidemux |
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| 19:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | Not sure what their setup looks like, mine are linksys. Make sure you're forwarding port 80 on the router to port 80 on the webserver (or whatever the webserver's listening on). |
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| 19:59.22 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: how do i find out what the webservers listed on? |
| 20:00.23 | salvin | architek: which is the more stable and with a better synced output? |
| 20:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | salvin: It's more a question which interface and features you personally preferr. |
| 20:02.07 | architek | salvin: no idea. avidemux used to crash for some video encoder. its partially maintained... |
| 20:02.08 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: By default it's 80. If you just use a regular URL to access it internally that's what it's doing. |
| 20:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: i don't know if the router would log attempts to reach it externally. |
| 20:03.00 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: You also have to be sure that the router isn't listening to port 80 on it's external interface for a configuration/stats page. |
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| 20:03.26 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: They _usually_ default to listening on the internal port 80 only, but I don't know what you have. |
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| 20:03.57 | salvin | jhutchins_lt: i don't care, i find only stability, maybe kmencoder it's what i want |
| 20:04.38 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: its working now, good security advice |
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| 20:07.50 | salvin | there isn't kmencoder in debian, ok, i'm trying openshot |
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| 20:09.00 | salvin | and kdenlive? is it good? |
| 20:10.01 | krakrjak | I think kdenlive is getting there. |
| 20:10.05 | krakrjak | certainly worth a look. |
| 20:11.06 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: any security advice you could give me |
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| 20:13.24 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: http://tldp.org - system administrator's guide, The Masquerading guide has some good stuff and has links to Ranch's Trinity Linux page which is much more thorough. |
| 20:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Also Network Administrator's Guide. |
| 20:13.51 | AthomIk | ok epiphany-browser / flash, install other :) |
| 20:13.53 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Hey, it's working! |
| 20:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: What was it? |
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| 20:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: That might make sense in French but not in English. |
| 20:14.50 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: didnt forward to port 80 :-) |
| 20:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
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| 20:15.38 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: its just a system to learn how to set and administer servers |
| 20:15.57 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: why does it have to be port 80? |
| 20:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: HTTP defaults to port 80 - look in /etc/services for a full list of default ports. |
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| 20:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: https defaults to 443. |
| 20:17.07 | adam___ | ok :-) |
| 20:18.20 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: so are they reserved ports? |
| 20:19.03 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Not strictly speaking, some people will run other services on port 80 because it's not likely to be blocked. |
| 20:19.43 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Public servers often move things like ssh to a different port to avoid brute force attacks. |
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| 20:20.22 | adam___ | jhutchins_lt: just looking at web min is that any good? |
| 20:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: If you see a url like http://www.someserver.com:8080 that means the server is listening on a different port. |
| 20:20.45 | qckheavy | adem webmin it not wise to do |
| 20:20.47 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 20:20.54 | qckheavy | but adem what ur target what are u trying to do |
| 20:21.02 | qckheavy | i also use webmin but in a safe way :D |
| 20:21.09 | jhutchins_lt | adam___: Learning text based administration is MUCH more powerful. |
| 20:21.39 | qckheavy | i agree |
| 20:21.44 | nkuttler | web based admin is just a *massive* waste of time. i have to do it frequently for clients :| |
| 20:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | qckheavy: No such thing. |
| 20:22.05 | adam___ | just to learn good safe linux admin and setup |
| 20:22.19 | qckheavy | jhutchins_lt believe me it is :) |
| 20:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | qckheavy: When webmin corrupts it's configuration files and trashes your server you are going to have to learn to do it right anyway. |
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| 20:23.01 | Na_Klar | I want to execute the lighttpd server on debian with user rights instead of with root rights. Could someone point me in the right direction, I do not find an entry to that issue. |
| 20:23.15 | adam___ | i think my ip changes now and then and they wont give me a static ip is there a way around this? |
| 20:23.27 | qckheavy | jhutchins_lt i know how to do it the right way. but for some software i use there was a webmin plugin and i wanted to see how it lookds because then i have a nice overview of all the options of that software |
| 20:24.27 | qckheavy | jhutchins_lt but i have webmin. and i have a firewall that just blocks all ports. my ip adres is on the allow list. so i can reatch myserver.com:10000 still then i need to login as root if that isnt safe i dont know it anymore, |
| 20:24.41 | qckheavy | so nobody can get the webmin login except me. |
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| 20:25.55 | spal | I tried: echo "This is a test email" | mail -s "Foo" <my_userid_here>@gmail.com ; I got this error in /var/log/exim4/mainlog: R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 20:26.00 | spal | how can this be fixed? |
| 20:26.01 | jhutchins_lt | qckheavy: It's not just a security hazard, it screws up and corrupts the configuration files for the services it messes with. You can't just ssh in and fix the config file when it fails. |
| 20:26.08 | jhutchins_lt | qckheavy: It _does_ fail. |
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| 20:26.27 | themill | spal: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:27.04 | spal | themill, I did that once and I selected "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" there. |
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| 20:27.32 | qwer | anyone can help? german error: http://pastebin.de/19275 |
| 20:27.41 | architek | Na_Klar: the problem might be that you normally need to be root to bind ports < 1024. |
| 20:28.39 | Na_Klar | architek, that is true. But for security reasons it should be possible to run a webserver with no root rights. Any workaround ideas? |
| 20:28.44 | jhutchins_lt | !localised errors |
| 20:28.44 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
| 20:28.59 | DjSt3rios | Guys I have a problem.. I downloaded a program (navicat) on Debian 6, and it has a shell script to start the program.. but when I run the script it doesn't do anything.. Im logged as root.. any help? |
| 20:29.03 | themill | qwer: it would be handy to know how you got the box in that state. |
| 20:29.33 | karlpinc | !tell qwer about de |
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| 20:29.49 | karlpinc | qwer: That's if you want support in german. |
| 20:29.53 | DjSt3rios | nobody? :/ |
| 20:29.55 | qwer | themill: because /usr/bin/python was an empty link to /usr/bin/python2.6 I recreated it |
| 20:30.09 | qwer | then I did apt-get remove python |
| 20:30.23 | themill | qwer: and why was /usr/bin/python2.6 missing? |
| 20:30.29 | qwer | after that apt-get autoclean/ purge /remove |
| 20:30.37 | qwer | /usr/bin/python2.6 wasn't missing |
| 20:30.46 | themill | qwer: what is an "empty link" |
| 20:31.25 | qwer | themill: .... executing /usr/bin/pyton gave an error "no device or address found" while python2.6 did well |
| 20:31.32 | architek | Na_Klar: there's something called capabilities http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man7/capabilities.7.html but I never tried this, can't help more |
| 20:31.45 | qwer | themill: and now I would like to reinstall python ^^ |
| 20:31.47 | Na_Klar | architek, thank you so far |
| 20:31.53 | qwer | any way in this chaos ? |
| 20:32.02 | spal | themill, okay, I was able to resolve the error, I specified smtp server details where it asked for smarthost server details. |
| 20:32.10 | spal | that caused the issue. |
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| 20:32.53 | themill | qwer: let's start with "aptitude reinstall python python2.6 python2.6-minimal" |
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| 20:33.38 | DjSt3rios | Anybody can help me guys? please :/ |
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| 20:34.33 | karlpinc | !tell DjSt3rios about smart questions |
| 20:34.53 | adam___ | do i change the public web server dir from var/www to smething else? |
| 20:34.54 | abrotman | i'm sure the script does something .. |
| 20:35.03 | themill | DjSt3rios: try asking the people who gave you navicat, perhaps. |
| 20:35.04 | DjSt3rios | huh |
| 20:35.09 | DjSt3rios | Well |
| 20:35.15 | DjSt3rios | I sent them a ticket but still nothing |
| 20:35.17 | DjSt3rios | I was wondering... |
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| 20:35.25 | DjSt3rios | If it is possible to search the packages |
| 20:35.25 | architek | Na_Klar: I see this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/lighttpd.htm , search for 'root privileges'. it seems to be possible only with lighttpd. probably lighttpd is suid, drops root after having bind the port |
| 20:35.31 | DjSt3rios | maybe I could get it through terminal |
| 20:35.38 | DjSt3rios | and install it somehow |
| 20:36.03 | qwer | themill: getting some errors: http://pastebin.de/19276 |
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| 20:36.38 | Na_Klar | architek, well interesting. Once again I think, I've choosen the right webserver :P |
| 20:36.57 | qwer | themill: hope you're understanding german ;) |
| 20:37.05 | Na_Klar | never heard a proc can drop root privilegs, thought ^^ |
| 20:37.12 | themill | qwer: ok, next step... "LANG=C aptitude reinstall python python2.6 python2.6-minimal python-support" |
| 20:37.13 | architek | Na_Klar: I ran this server a long time ago and had a wiki with this. it's nice, simple; ... light. but I can't remember about this |
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| 20:37.45 | abrotman | DjSt3rios: ask them why their script doesn't run, you paid for their product and their support |
| 20:37.47 | spal | can we make the 'mail' command connect directly to smtp.googlemail.com and STARTTLS? |
| 20:38.33 | qwer | themill: errors again http://pastebin.de/19278 |
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| 20:38.42 | themill | spal: no, but you could use a real MUA to do that, or configure your MTA to do that. |
| 20:38.45 | DjSt3rios | alright |
| 20:39.01 | spal | themill, okay. so mutt can do it? |
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| 20:39.36 | themill | qwer: try running that exact same command again |
| 20:40.16 | themill | qwer: actually, add "python-minimal" to the list too |
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| 20:41.19 | qwer | themill: this was successfull ;) |
| 20:41.45 | architek | spal: yes, since about 10 years. the answer to "can mutt do .." is usually "yes" :) |
| 20:41.55 | qwer | themill: any further step? or is it done |
| 20:41.57 | spal | architek, okay. |
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| 20:42.23 | themill | qwer: ok... so "aptitude reinstall ~npython~i" might be a good thing to run to make sure the rest of your python packages are installed and happy. Also "/msg dpkg debsums" and get debsums to check the rest of your packages. |
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| 20:44.48 | qwer | themill: wait, just did it again i think .... see http://pastebin.de/19279 |
| 20:44.52 | qwer | how can this be ? |
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| 20:45.24 | qwer | after running spawn-fcgi the /usr/bin/python is getting 0 bytes |
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| 20:46.41 | themill | qwer: umm... do you know what the -s option to spawn-fcgi does? |
| 20:46.42 | qwer | this is what I called "/usr/bin/python is empty" |
| 20:47.00 | qwer | I thought I know ^^ |
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| 20:47.30 | qwer | someone helped me on #lighttpd |
| 20:47.40 | themill | it's no longer a link, it's been turned into a socket |
| 20:48.02 | qwer | hm..... okay.... :/ |
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| 20:49.11 | qwer | just doing the reinstalling again |
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| 20:50.14 | babilen | themill, qwer: "-s <path> bind to Unix domain socket\n" (cf. http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/spawn-fcgi/repository/entry/trunk/src/spawn-fcgi.c line 425) so that behaviour is not really surprising |
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| 20:50.42 | themill | quite |
| 20:51.37 | Bartzy | how do I make only the kernel package to update from wheezy, but everything else to update/install from squeeze ? |
| 20:51.54 | Bartzy | I have a kernel from wheezy, I want updates for it when available, but only for the kernel, nothing else... |
| 20:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: That's called frankendebian and is not supported. |
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| 20:52.46 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: You can use backports. |
| 20:53.03 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze-backports |
| 20:53.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1) |
| 20:53.04 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Especially with the 3.x kernels it's not going to work well anyway. |
| 20:53.18 | themill | Bartzy: ^^ using the backports kernel is a safer and better tested route |
| 20:53.21 | themill | jhutchins_lt: orly? |
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| 20:53.40 | gawen | where did thunar-vfs-update-thumbnailers-cache-1 go on sid ? |
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| 20:54.09 | jhutchins_lt | themill: We've seen a couple of packages balk at the version number - I don't think there are functionality issues. |
| 20:54.32 | themill | jhutchins_lt: which ones? bugs filed? |
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| 20:54.39 | babilen | qwer: Where did you find those spawn-fcgi examples? I would guess that you rather want to specify a port, but I don't really know what you are trying to achieve. |
| 20:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I'm all on stable so I don't have anthing. |
| 20:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | themill: There was talk of backporting the 3.x kernel as 2.6.40 to get around it. |
| 20:56.03 | qwer | babilen: no, i just wanted to configure the fastcgi for python with lighttpd and was advised to run that because the "python-handler" was giving an error |
| 20:56.25 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I think that was mentioned on the backports list. |
| 20:56.26 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I'm yet to see any of these problems actually reported. You claim that you've seen them reported here, hence I'm hoping you'll provide details to back up your assertions so we can actually get this backport done eventually. |
| 20:56.35 | themill | jhutchins_lt: there has been nothing like that on the backports list. |
| 20:56.53 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: But the backports doesn't have the 3.0 kernel |
| 20:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | I thought that was where I saw someone ask about backporting it with a different version but it could have been here. |
| 20:57.43 | babilen | qwer: I've had a look at the source code and running "-s /usr/bin/python" is definitely wrong as it will unlink the previous "socket" (in this case just the symlink) and create a "new" one there ... bad bad bad |
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| 20:59.01 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Why pinning is not necessary in squeeze-backports in order to get security updates ? |
| 20:59.19 | Bartzy | in lenny-backports it was necessary due to the NotAutomatic flag. What's different with squeeze? :) |
| 20:59.33 | qwer | themill: http://pastebin.de/19281 |
| 20:59.41 | themill | Bartzy: the repository headers tell apt in squeeze to take updates from that repo |
| 20:59.52 | qwer | how to do the last step with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`" ?? |
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| 21:00.12 | Bartzy | themill: What is the repository headers ? |
| 21:00.24 | themill | Bartzy: ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes |
| 21:00.24 | Bartzy | the Release file ? |
| 21:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Sorry I don't have more concrete info, just remember someone discussing it somewhere. |
| 21:00.58 | themill | qwer: you run that exact command |
| 21:01.03 | Bartzy | themill: Yeah, just saw it. and apt in squeeze knows how to handle it, but in lenny it doesn't, I guess ? |
| 21:01.27 | themill | Bartzy: yep. Using that header was introduced during the squeeze release cycle |
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| 21:02.15 | Bartzy | themill: Thanks. |
| 21:02.36 | Bartzy | How can I see with apt/aptitude, what is the repo that will be used for a specific package ? |
| 21:02.40 | qwer | babilen: you mean the source code of spawn-fcgi is wrong ?? |
| 21:02.47 | Bartzy | squeeze / backports / other ? |
| 21:03.05 | qwer | themill: thank you veeeeeeery much ;) |
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| 21:03.22 | babilen | qwer: No, your usage of it is wrong. |
| 21:03.30 | qwer | babilen: okay ;) |
| 21:03.58 | babilen | qwer: (There might be bugs with it though -- I just wanted to understand what "-s /usr/bin/python" does) |
| 21:03.58 | themill | Bartzy: /msg dpkg bpo list; /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 21:04.36 | babilen | Bartzy: Also "apt-cache policy PKG" |
| 21:05.09 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 21:09.33 | AltrortlA | Thanks |
| 21:09.41 | AltrortlA | exit |
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| 21:20.38 | Na_Klar | Is someone here using lighttpd on his debian machine? |
| 21:20.59 | arghx | !anyone |
| 21:20.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:21.07 | Na_Klar | righty |
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| 21:21.40 | TechDesk | lool |
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| 21:22.49 | Na_Klar | does someone have the original path to server.errorlog and server.upload-dirs in regard to lighttpd debian package? I did overwrite it and it fails, and i cannot remember the orginal paht. I cannot find it online (also not on lighttpd.net cause it is debian specific package) and i do not want to reinstall the whole server just because of this :P |
| 21:22.50 | nvz | how can I see the total size of all installed packages? |
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| 21:23.07 | arghx | nvz: df :P |
| 21:23.22 | Na_Klar | or rather: |
| 21:23.35 | Na_Klar | can I somewhere see the files that are included to debian packages? |
| 21:23.36 | arghx | Na_Klar: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:24.27 | nvz | nvz: no, I only want to know whats being taken up by instaled packages |
| 21:24.29 | Na_Klar | arghx, apt-get |
| 21:24.37 | nvz | thats a stupid answer.. I mean really stupid |
| 21:24.44 | nvz | the info I want is in the package metadata |
| 21:24.56 | nvz | I'm not talking about disk info at all |
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| 21:26.20 | arghx | nvz: then I'd write a script that loops over all installed packages and parses the output of dpkg -l for each. or you read the status file directly |
| 21:26.43 | theDUBBER | www.thedubber.altervista.org |
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| 21:26.49 | nvz | yeah wel I already knew that much.. figured maybe one of the package utilities already did this |
| 21:27.32 | architek | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\n' | awk '{s=s+$1}END{print s}' |
| 21:27.51 | themill | nvz: grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size -n "install ok installed" | awk '{SUM += $1} END {print SUM}' |
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| 21:29.37 | Na_Klar | arghx, got it: could "apt-get download lighttpd" and see in source on my own :P thx for the hint |
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| 21:30.07 | themill | architek: bonus points for working out why those two solutions give different sizes ... â¹ |
| 21:30.17 | nvz | themill: haha |
| 21:30.56 | architek | :) |
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| 21:33.06 | themill | architek, nvz: ahh... any packages that are removed but not purged would be included in the list from dpkg-query. |
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| 21:33.54 | architek | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} ${Status}\n' | awk '/install ok installed/{s+=$1}END{print s}' |
| 21:33.55 | gnude | hello, which files must i edit for changing the ip of a server? |
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| 21:34.08 | gnude | /etc/network/interfaces ... ok. someone else? |
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| 21:35.33 | mmnicolas | gnude: yep |
| 21:36.05 | mmnicolas | gnude: it shouldnt use userland tools such as networkmanager if its a server, but you'll probably want to make sure |
| 21:36.30 | Na_Klar | How is the file named which defines the daemons that should be run at start-up? |
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| 21:36.44 | gnude | i have no network manager |
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| 21:37.14 | themill | Na_Klar: are you looking for /etc/rc2.d ? (and /etc/rcS.d) |
| 21:37.21 | Na_Klar | ty |
| 21:37.31 | Na_Klar | i think |
| 21:37.32 | mmnicolas | Na_Klar: its not a specific file, it's called runlevels, take a look at /etc/init.d and the update-rc.d command |
| 21:38.47 | Na_Klar | themill, mmnicolas, in particular I deinstalled exim4, but on start-up the system still tries to start it, olthough I deleted every exim4 file or dir after removing it .. so i thought there must be a conf file which tries to execute it on start up |
| 21:39.05 | themill | dpkg: tell Na_Klar about purge |
| 21:39.22 | mmnicolas | Na_Klar: try uninstalling with 'purge' instead (eg. aptitude purge exim4-daemon) |
| 21:39.36 | Na_Klar | hm, i did apt-get autoremove .. |
| 21:39.47 | themill | "~nexim4" ftw |
| 21:41.02 | mmnicolas | Na_Klar: not the same thing, autoremove removes packages that nothing depends on anymore |
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| 21:41.47 | mmnicolas | this is the default behavior of aptitude btw |
| 21:42.01 | Na_Klar | mmnicolas, I see. So would you recommend to aptitude purge '~c' like mentionend in the dpkg notice themill send me |
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| 21:42.31 | themill | Na_Klar: that can be quite handy, yes. But make sure it's not going to wipe out config files you actually want. |
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| 21:43.01 | mmnicolas | dpkg: tell mmnicolas about purge |
| 21:43.16 | mmnicolas | didnt know about that |
| 21:43.22 | Na_Klar | themill, *shudder* how could I ever be sure about that? |
| 21:43.25 | nvz | does a cp -R get dotfiles? |
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| 21:43.38 | nvz | when copying a homedir.. |
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| 21:44.13 | themill | Na_Klar: this is only an issue if you have temporarily removed a package prior to reinstalling it |
| 21:44.24 | abrotman | nvz: don't you think this is really easy to test? |
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| 21:44.54 | nvz | abrotman: I am testing it.. but like a dumbass I didnt start screen and didnt wanna have to login again.. heh |
| 21:45.01 | tvm | nvz: it does. |
| 21:45.17 | nvz | is handling a out of space on root situation remotely |
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| 21:45.35 | abrotman | nvz: uhm .. i meant like .. mkdir -p /tmp/foo/.bar ; cp -R /tmp/foo/ /tmp/baz/ ? |
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| 21:48.56 | Na_Klar | themill, I see. Yeah, I don't want to install exim4 again. |
| 21:50.39 | nvz | I could stop this start screen and continue with rsync I suppose |
| 21:50.50 | Na_Klar | themill, just btw, is there a simulation mode of "aptitude purge '~c'"? |
| 21:51.14 | themill | Na_Klar: aptitude search ~c |
| 21:51.26 | Na_Klar | thxalot |
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| 21:58.42 | qrq1 | Are Debian Squeeze updates released after premiere of Squeeze so important? |
| 21:58.49 | qrq1 | I mean mucn critical? |
| 21:59.09 | nvz | depends on what they are... |
| 21:59.19 | qrq1 | Well overall |
| 21:59.20 | nvz | there was recently a SSL update |
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| 21:59.29 | nvz | that was pretty important |
| 21:59.51 | qrq1 | Were there many bugs? |
| 22:00.13 | qrq1 | Since release of Squeeze |
| 22:00.16 | nvz | bugs are not fixed after a release unless there is a security flaw |
| 22:00.21 | nvz | so yeah, they're important |
| 22:00.40 | threadlock | security updates are pretty good to follow |
| 22:00.55 | qrq1 | Proposed not really? :) |
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| 22:03.16 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi. I'm using lighttpd and someone on #lighttpd ask me to contact the Debian maintainer because when lighttpd is running and when I'm using the command : «service lighttpd restart» that say the port (80) is already in use. What is the step to do that please ? |
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| 22:04.20 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: that's not a Debian command AFAIK |
| 22:04.44 | th0r | koshieFinalReliz: just wondering, can you do a service stop and then a service start? |
| 22:04.55 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: generally, we use /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart |
| 22:04.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: service is in sysvinit-utils |
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| 22:05.08 | abrotman | ugh .. stop moving stuff around! |
| 22:05.09 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, but this is a Debian script right ? Or maybe when this guy has say «contact the maintainer» I've understand the guys of Debian. Maybe a mistake from me. |
| 22:05.16 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: or 'invoke-rc.d |
| 22:05.17 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: or 'invoke-rc.d' |
| 22:05.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | koshieFinalReliz: `apt-cache show lighttpd |grep Maint` |
| 22:05.35 | roodytood | LOOKUP SOMETHING FOR ME |
| 22:05.35 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: did you check the BTS yet? |
| 22:05.38 | koshieFinalReliz | Er, give me a seconde, to many hl x) |
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| 22:05.45 | roodytood | Does anyone have access to ancestry.com? |
| 22:05.46 | abrotman | looks at roodytood |
| 22:05.54 | abrotman | roodytood: this is a Debian support channel |
| 22:06.06 | koshieFinalReliz | th0r, I can run or stop a service with no problem and with other service like prosody no problem. |
| 22:06.35 | MattJ | koshieFinalReliz, good to know Prosody is ok :) |
| 22:06.55 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, I used to do that with service, that's not a good way ? |
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| 22:07.04 | koshieFinalReliz | (sorry for my english) |
| 22:07.10 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, BTS ? |
| 22:07.11 | themill | koshieFinalReliz: do you have another web server running at the same time? |
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| 22:07.13 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: Kamping_Kaiser seems to say it's okay .. personally, i just use the init script |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | !bts |
| 22:07.16 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 22:07.27 | koshieFinalReliz | themill, no |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: 100% sure? |
| 22:07.44 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, oh okay I see. |
| 22:07.54 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, there is just lighttpd, any apache package :) |
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| 22:07.58 | koshieFinalReliz | (or other) |
| 22:08.06 | koshieFinalReliz | And I've killed manually all process of lighttpd |
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| 22:08.14 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: fuser -n tcp 80 .. does it return anything ? |
| 22:08.35 | koshieFinalReliz | 80/tcp: 12603 abrotman |
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| 22:08.53 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: ps aux | grep 12603 |
| 22:09.07 | roodytood | LOOKUP SOMETHING FOR ME |
| 22:09.15 | abrotman | roodytood: this is a Debian support channel |
| 22:09.17 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, there is the process which I kill manually when I see that. |
| 22:09.21 | roodytood | Does anyone have access to ancestry.com and woul dbe willing to look up something |
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| 22:09.26 | roodytood | where is a good channel for my question then |
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| 22:09.39 | abrotman | roodytood: try #defocus or /msg alis help |
| 22:10.13 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, When I've the error message about the port I'm stopping lighttpd with service lighttpd stop and I kill the process. |
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| 22:10.24 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: what is that process? |
| 22:10.27 | koshieFinalReliz | After I can run it correctly with no error message. |
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| 22:10.33 | koshieFinalReliz | www-data 12603 0.0 0.0 43448 1548 ? S Oct10 0:00 /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf |
| 22:10.38 | alazare619 | anyone know where qt-settings conf file is stored? |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: sounds like lighttpd isn't shutting down correctly |
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| 22:11.05 | koshieFinalReliz | alazare619, try a locate | grep "qt" or something like that, I dunno sorry |
| 22:11.30 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, wait, I will paste you the steps, you will understand what I mean (because understand me is very hard sometines, in english) |
| 22:11.51 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: we do have a #debian-fr if that would be easier |
| 22:11.53 | alazare619 | i did locate nothing found |
| 22:12.01 | alazare619 | guess ill just use catfish to find it with find comand |
| 22:12.11 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, I'm trying to improve my english. |
| 22:12.21 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: okay, just trying to make you aware it exists |
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| 22:14.21 | koshieFinalReliz | http://pastebin.com/767313Zy abrotman understanding ? |
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| 22:17.09 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: right, it's not shutting down correctly for some reason |
| 22:17.28 | koshieFinalReliz | Yeah, and people on #lighttpd advice me to contact the maintainer. |
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| 22:17.31 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: for some reason, the "stop" part isn't working |
| 22:17.39 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: okay, is this on squeeze? |
| 22:17.46 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, yes |
| 22:17.49 | koshieFinalReliz | the stable :) |
| 22:18.25 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: so the first thing you'd do is to look through archived and unarchived bugs at bugs.debian.org/lighttpd |
| 22:19.07 | koshieFinalReliz | Okay, and if I don't find something I open a bug ? |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: then you use reportbug to file a bug |
| 22:19.37 | koshieFinalReliz | Okay, I will try (I've never report a bug :]) |
| 22:19.42 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, thank |
| 22:19.43 | abrotman | first time for lots of stuff |
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| 22:27.22 | cardamon | Troublesome. |
| 22:27.53 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 22:27.55 | cardamon | my campus network blocks any *.torrent file from being resolved. |
| 22:28.38 | cardamon | Including ones for legitimate purposes...such as trying to snag a debian iso. |
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| 22:28.41 | PerfDave | Tor? :) |
| 22:29.10 | Zharf | you don't have to download it through bittorrent.. |
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| 22:30.27 | cardamon | Yeah, but it's faster. |
| 22:30.38 | abrotman | how is this a Debian problem? |
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| 22:32.11 | themill | how would it be faster? no wait... I don't care |
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| 22:33.17 | alazare619 | cardamon, idk but you might wana check out masking your traffic / encrypt the traffic |
| 22:33.36 | architek | debian.org says its faster :) |
| 22:33.38 | alazare619 | or just get a seedbox then tell it to download |
| 22:33.46 | alazare619 | then download off the seedbox |
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| 22:44.52 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, sorry but I've again a question, I'm using bureport and I'm asking about the severity of the bug, «important : a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone.» seems to be the good choice, right ? |
| 22:45.01 | koshieFinalReliz | bugreport* |
| 22:45.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | koshieFinalReliz: what are you filing a bug about? |
| 22:46.41 | koshieFinalReliz | When I'm using service lighttpd restart command lighttpd is not correctly stop so it doesn't run, I've an error message about port 80 already in use, I've to kill the process manually and start lighttpd. |
| 22:46.43 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: his lighttpd seems to not stop |
| 22:47.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: oh |
| 22:47.08 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: i wouldn't say it has a major effect .. |
| 22:47.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | koshieFinalReliz: does service lighttpd stop work? |
| 22:47.14 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: next level down is normal ? |
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| 22:47.56 | koshieFinalReliz | Kamping_Kaiser, lighttpd say nothing but the process is here... |
| 22:48.10 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, I'm not sure to understand your sentence |
| 22:50.07 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, I will use the important severity level |
| 22:50.11 | koshieFinalReliz | it seems to be correct. |
| 22:50.18 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: it doesn't break your package .. just makes it difficult |
| 22:50.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | koshieFinalReliz: anything over normal is going to get dropped by the maintainer |
| 22:50.34 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, yes but it's very very unclean to stop a deamon like that |
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| 22:50.51 | koshieFinalReliz | Hum |
| 22:50.53 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: it could be a bug in your config |
| 22:50.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | koshieFinalReliz: what release are you running? |
| 22:50.59 | koshieFinalReliz | Or maybe normal, you're right... |
| 22:51.00 | abrotman | saqueeze |
| 22:51.03 | koshieFinalReliz | Kamping_Kaiser, squeeze |
| 22:52.31 | koshieFinalReliz | abrotman, reportbug send a copy of my lighttpd.conf |
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| 22:53.01 | abrotman | koshieFinalReliz: okay |
| 22:53.14 | koshieFinalReliz | I will send a normal severity level. Thank again |
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| 22:54.52 | Gumby | !nvidia |
| 22:54.52 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:56.41 | Amarande | Gumby: unless you know you will have no need for DRI, get the blob |
| 22:57.01 | Gumby | blob? |
| 22:57.08 | Amarande | the binary driver |
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| 22:58.35 | nixy | where can i find glx drivers to debian testing ?, all packages is removed from the repo |
| 22:58.53 | Gumby | I've used the m-a auto-install and nvidia-kernel-xxx-source |
| 22:58.56 | Gumby | seems to have worked |
| 23:01.03 | abrotman | nixy: which glx drivers? |
| 23:01.13 | cardamon | Can wget or any other url fetch tool pause/restart a download? I'm trying to snag the livecd ISO and my campus network is uncooperative. |
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| 23:01.41 | civillian | cardamon: you can resume with -c I believe |
| 23:01.41 | cardamon | It's gonna take a few hours. |
| 23:01.47 | abrotman | cardamon: man wget |
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| 23:02.44 | nixy | abrotman, fglrx driver for ati 4600 |
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| 23:03.20 | abrotman | nixy: nothing on packages.debian.org ? |
| 23:03.36 | nixy | not a single package heh |
| 23:03.51 | nixy | fglrx-driver exist for squeeze but not in testing |
| 23:04.07 | cardamon | the default limit on wget retries is 20 it looks like, so if I just set it to retry infinitely and wander around with my machine on, it shoould eventually get it. |
| 23:04.08 | abrotman | well, that happens in testing .. |
| 23:04.16 | cardamon | ...or the battery will die. Whichever comes first. |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | cardamon: or get you banned from your .edu network |
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| 23:04.44 | nixy | abrotman, is it good idea to swith to sid ? |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | wtf do you think? you're barely getting testing to work .. do you think unstable would be better? |
| 23:05.18 | nixy | abrotman, testing do not have anything, not either wine lol |
| 23:05.27 | abrotman | lolololol |
| 23:05.29 | abrotman | use stable |
| 23:05.38 | nixy | i dont want stable on this machine |
| 23:05.45 | nixy | i use stable on my main one |
| 23:05.46 | Amarande | wine in debian is ancient no matter what dist you get |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | okay, then you get broken parts .. have fun! |
| 23:05.55 | Amarande | even sid's version is starting to collect cobwebs |
| 23:07.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | its in experimental iirc |
| 23:07.14 | cardamon | Lovely. 30Kb/s. |
| 23:07.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | this was discussed 'recently' on deb-dev |
| 23:07.31 | cardamon | Oh look, it dropped to 20kb/s |
| 23:08.14 | nixy | abrotman, I will have fun, it will be ubuntu that have the drivers for ati |
| 23:08.14 | cardamon | Can't stop here. We're in dialup country. |
| 23:08.34 | nixy | amazing testing do lack so many packages |
| 23:08.37 | rww | nixy: Go use Ubuntu, then? |
| 23:08.39 | abrotman | nixy: okay, have a nice day .. |
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| 23:08.59 | nixy | abrotman, i love debian i use it , but this is not my machine |
| 23:09.12 | nixy | the owner dont want to use old debian packages |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | that's great .. don't care .. go to #ubuntu for support |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | cardamon: did you check the gatech mirror? |
| 23:09.43 | nixy | abrotman, well i will thx for your nice support !" |
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| 23:09.49 | abrotman | nixy: i'm not trying to be an ass .. but there's no point in arguing about it |
| 23:09.51 | nixy | you sux |
| 23:10.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:10.09 | dvs | heh |
| 23:10.13 | abrotman | cardamon: nevermind ... there's no debian-cd mirror |
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| 23:10.51 | rww | It just occured to me that I could fix that +b ubuntu*!*ubuntu@* to be a banforward and that it'd be amusing. |
| 23:11.24 | dvs | rww: Amusing? Required! |
| 23:11.33 | cardamon | abrotman: Right. |
| 23:16.01 | Amarande | rww: until you say "Go use Ubuntu, then?" to someone and the server happily kicks a field goal :) |
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| 23:18.20 | abrotman | rww: i believe it was at one time |
| 23:19.27 | rww | abrotman: want it fixing? ;) |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | uhm, i think channel ops should do that, not staff .. right? |
| 23:20.09 | themill | abrotman: we can't |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | themill: we've done other forwards? |
| 23:20.36 | rww | abrotman: forwards require +o in the target channel these days |
| 23:20.43 | rww | or that the target channel be +F |
| 23:20.44 | abrotman | stop changing things! |
| 23:20.51 | themill | abrotman: you either have to be +o in the target channel or the target channel needs to be +F/ |
| 23:20.56 | themill | yeah, what rww said |
| 23:22.08 | abrotman | and if they can't speak, i really don't care that much |
| 23:23.46 | Amarande | abrotman: there's also the fact that banning the U word could impact actual debian discussion |
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| 23:24.13 | Iridos | OR make them more amusing |
| 23:24.14 | abrotman | Amarande: that's not what he's doing |
| 23:24.14 | rww | Amarande: that's a ban by hostmask, not by message content. people on Ubuntu liveCDs tend to have predictable nicks and idents. |
| 23:24.21 | Amarande | ah. |
| 23:24.33 | abrotman | and no .. |
| 23:24.35 | Amarande | I thought that was some sort of nifty freenode trick to ban a word and shove people into another channel for using it. :S |
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| 23:25.05 | babilen | rww: What do the other #u mods think of that? (btw, should we take this out of #d?) |
| 23:25.35 | rww | elky: ^^^ |
| 23:26.32 | elky | With the current state of things, someone would need to put it on a meeting agenda. |
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| 23:26.39 | abrotman | could we not discuss it here? |
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| 23:27.00 | rww | oh, right, I forgot. our IRC Council is broken :P |
| 23:27.11 | rww | goes off to do other things |
| 23:27.18 | elky | You can discuss it all you want, but it's hard enough to remove an a-kick without a meeting. |
| 23:27.39 | elky | I removed one last week and apparently shouldn't have because there wasn't a rubber stamp involved. |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | elky: wrong channel to discuss this |
| 23:28.33 | elky | Possibly, yes. |
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| 23:28.53 | abrotman | definitely |
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| 23:29.11 | elky | rww, #debian-offtopic plzkthx |
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| 23:31.14 | qqwer | hi |
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| 23:32.45 | howaaa | how to configure a program such it can be run as a specific user, e.g. like lighttpd is run by user www-data |
| 23:33.03 | howaaa | any howto for this in debian ? |
| 23:33.30 | abrotman | !suid |
| 23:33.31 | dpkg | methinks suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | is that what you want? |
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| 23:35.03 | themill | howaaa: it's usually done through an option to start-stop-daemon in the init script |
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| 23:37.02 | howaaa | the init script is what i need |
| 23:37.09 | howaaa | thanks ;) |
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