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| 00:02.41 | beware | can i install qemu on debian without pulling in dependency on X and sound? |
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| 00:03.48 | abrotman | beware: is it actually installing Xorg ? |
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| 00:04.00 | IRConan | hi, does anyone have experience creating deb packages for ruby gems? |
| 00:04.34 | beware | it installs x11-common, other x11 stuff, and a lot of sound libs |
| 00:05.31 | abrotman | beware: pastebin please |
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| 00:07.17 | beware | http://pastebin.com/9cSFgem9 |
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| 00:07.37 | abrotman | beware: that's not really X |
| 00:07.43 | themill | beware: x11-common is not X. It's a few config files. |
| 00:08.34 | beware | so this would be a normal/OK installation on a server |
| 00:09.34 | Amarande | beware: X programs generally need the smorgasbord of X libs, however, the X libs do not also pull the X server itself, because X programs can be displayed on a remote X server. |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | beware: yes .. |
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| 00:18.16 | ChibaPet | Hey all. I'm experiencing something odd, and I'm hoping someone can help. I've installed a second disk, and I'm trying to convert to a software RAID 1 set-up. I created a degraded raid on the new disk and copied everything over. However, my /boot is supposed to be /dev/md/md0, only it's showing up as /dev/md/127. What controls naming here? |
| 00:18.34 | nevyn | udev |
| 00:19.09 | nevyn | but if you ran update-initrd then /etc/md.conf should cover it. |
| 00:19.15 | ChibaPet | I'm booting off the MBR on the first disk and hand-editing in values to make it launch off the RAID. udev... |
| 00:19.27 | nevyn | initrd? |
| 00:19.34 | ChibaPet | I'll try that now. The one part I'm fuzzy about is figuring out how to get the bootloader to be happy. |
| 00:19.42 | ChibaPet | I'll try update-initrd. |
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| 00:20.10 | ChibaPet | It was unhappy trying from a chroot when I first attempted it. But then, I didn't think to have devices available. Doh. |
| 00:21.17 | ChibaPet | So... |
| 00:21.41 | ChibaPet | I don't have anything in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but I was under the impression that identifiers for the raid sets and pieces were imbedded in the disks. |
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| 00:23.49 | wisc | hi, i'm about to install xorg, and i'm trying to figure out which input device drivers to install alongside, because i don't want xorg to go ahead and install everything available to it. i'm on an hp g62 laptop, so xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is a must. what's unclear to me is whether i need to install these as well: xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-input-kbd, xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
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| 00:28.12 | ChibaPet | grub-install /dev/sdb says... "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk." and "Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md127 failed." This makes me wonder if I needed to leave more space or somesuch. I used --metadata=0.90 when I made it. I wonder if that's no longer appropriate. |
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| 00:29.46 | ChibaPet | Hm, trying again with a different metadata flag I guess. |
| 00:29.53 | ChibaPet | I'll probably be back. |
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| 00:30.02 | wisc | anyone? |
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| 00:30.31 | ChibaPet | wisc, sorry, I always just install everything |
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| 00:31.44 | abrotman | wisc: just install the whole xorg package? |
| 00:33.51 | wisc | abrotman: if you don't select the drivers manually it installs everything under the sun |
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| 00:37.16 | abrotman | wisc: yes .. i know |
| 00:37.36 | wisc | abrotman: either way, i found out what i have to install. evdev, synaptics and vesa |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 00:37.46 | wisc | cheers :) |
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| 01:03.24 | ChibaPet | So, yeah, there wasn't anything particularly wrong with the /boot partition, but I needed to get everything to agree on naming, meaning /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 01:23.18 | lfs | I installed backuppc |
| 01:23.30 | lfs | How do I see the apache configuration files? |
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| 01:27.05 | wisc | hi, i just got my debian system up and running, although i wasn't able to select apt mirrors during installation because i didn't have an up and running internet connection at that time. is there a way to do it now? maybe there's a tool or something? |
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| 01:27.26 | wisc | i mean i know i can edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually, but i was hoping there was something *better* |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | that's the easiest way probably |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | where are you geographically? |
| 01:28.20 | wisc | canada |
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| 01:28.30 | abrotman | little more specific .. big country :) |
| 01:28.34 | wisc | haha. toronto :) |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | waterloo is in canada ? |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | erm .. in toronto :) |
| 01:29.07 | wisc | it's in the same province |
| 01:29.18 | wisc | so i guess that would work |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ squeeze main |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | might be better |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | !tell wisc about squeeze sources.list |
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| 01:30.46 | wisc | !tell wisc apt-spy |
| 01:30.55 | wisc | [21:30] <dpkg> No, wisc, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 01:30.56 | wisc | d'oh |
| 01:31.27 | Amarande | ?Syntax Error |
| 01:31.44 | Amarande | think you need "about" there |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | wisc: /msg dpkg apt-spy .. but really, the one i gave you is probably the best |
| 01:31.57 | wisc | Parses a list of mirrors and tests each of the mirrors for bandwidth. Writes to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list based on the responses it gets. |
| 01:32.01 | Amarande | also, yeah, you can just message dpkg with the topic directly, if you want to know yourself :) |
| 01:32.01 | wisc | interesting.. i think that could work |
| 01:32.01 | lfs | backuppc uses some kind of CGI script on install |
| 01:32.19 | lfs | How do I see what Debian did to install backuppc? |
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| 01:32.34 | abrotman | wishes apt-spy would die |
| 01:32.40 | wisc | really? why? |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | because, it's not good |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | lfs: look at the install scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 01:33.21 | wisc | i haven't used it so i can't say. but why did they take out apt-setup from the live system? |
| 01:33.24 | wisc | it would come in handy in a situation like this |
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| 01:33.59 | abrotman | yes, so would man sources.list and debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 01:35.34 | mindbender1 | hello please I'm trying to upgrade to sid from squeeze. Running apt-get -u dselect-upgrade gives me the following errors: |
| 01:35.49 | mindbender1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:35.50 | mindbender1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.50 | mindbender1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.50 | mindbender1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.50 | mindbender1 | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 01:35.50 | mindbender1 | E: Internal error, problem resolver broke stuff |
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| 01:37.23 | abrotman | !tell mindabout why aptitude |
| 01:37.25 | abrotman | grr |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | !tell mindbender1 about why aptitude |
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| 01:38.09 | mkfort | !tell mkfort about why aptitude |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | !tell mkfort about why aptitude |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | !tell mkfort about selftell |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | grrr |
| 01:39.02 | wisc | abrotman: quick question. what are the sources repos for/ |
| 01:39.23 | mkfort | abrotman: so you spam me, AND the channel, to tell me not to spam the channel? |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | if you want package sources |
| 01:39.37 | lfs | How do I see what pages are configured to open with apache |
| 01:39.44 | abrotman | mkfort: so others can see how to /msg dpkg selftell .. that such a factoid exists |
| 01:39.51 | lfs | localhost/backuppc doesn't work |
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| 01:40.11 | mkfort | abrotman: then why didn't you send it to the channel? |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | i just said? |
| 01:40.44 | mkfort | no |
| 01:40.54 | mkfort | you said so others can see, you sent it to me |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | most people understand bots work in /msg |
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| 01:41.19 | mkfort | whatever man, I think you are being a jerk |
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| 01:41.25 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | goes to cry |
| 01:43.00 | abrotman | lfs: did you check /usr/share/doc/backuppc ? |
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| 01:45.47 | abrotman | lfs: ? |
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| 01:47.01 | ChibaPet | Hey, is there a way to get a list of topics from the channel dpkg? |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | which topics? |
| 01:47.27 | ChibaPet | available topics |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | you mean /topic ? |
| 01:47.51 | ChibaPet | No, tidbits about which one can ask the channel dpkg. |
| 01:47.57 | abrotman | you want the list of factoids? |
| 01:47.58 | Amarande | I think he means a list of things dpkg knows about |
| 01:48.07 | karlpinc | !tell ChibaPet about dpkgbot |
| 01:48.10 | spal | Does /etc/init.d/exim4 restart take care of executing update-exim4.conf as well? |
| 01:48.18 | lfs | The Web interface is available at http://myserver/backuppc/ |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | karlpinc: ITYM "your factoids" |
| 01:48.38 | ChibaPet | That'll help. Thank you. |
| 01:48.41 | lfs | Shouldn't that mean localhost/backuppc? |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | lfs: did you read /usr/share/doc/backuppc ? |
| 01:49.24 | lfs | IM reading it now |
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| 01:50.25 | Virtualmix | I'am just wondering, how are ATI video card supported on Debian compared to nVidia? |
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| 01:51.07 | abrotman | he knows we can see him .. right? |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | Virtualmix: depends which device i'd think |
| 01:51.35 | spal | why is this program not placed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin? -- /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-gencert ? |
| 01:51.44 | Virtualmix | abrotman: recent video card |
| 01:51.53 | lfs | This is complicated. |
| 01:52.01 | Virtualmix | Which brand is recommended for functional 3D ? |
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| 01:52.12 | abrotman | spal: probably an example, not something they really want you to use? |
| 01:52.28 | spal | abrotman, but we use it to generate certificates for TLS. |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | Virtualmix: if it were me, i'd go intel, amd, anyone else |
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| 01:52.55 | abrotman | spal: okay .. you can file a wishlist bug to have it in a regular path perhaps |
| 01:53.08 | spal | okay |
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| 01:53.20 | Virtualmix | abrotman: do you mean all but nvidia? |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | Virtualmix: personal distaste .. and i like that intel and amd have been working with the community |
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| 01:56.33 | Virtualmix | abrotman: I am planning to buy a new video card since configuring nvidia driver require a phd in computer engineering... I wonder if new ATI/AMD video card are fully supported? |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | Virtualmix: they're both supposedly fully supported .. i'm not sure either is in a better state than the other |
| 01:57.40 | Virtualmix | abrotman: ok, thank you :) |
| 01:58.23 | Amarande | wow, I didn't find it that hard to set up my nvidia card on squeeze. |
| 01:58.36 | Amarande | now, back when ... hmm ... what was it that was before squeeze, lenny? |
| 01:58.38 | lfs | It is really hard to understand what Debian did here |
| 01:59.25 | Amarande | I think it was lenny anyway, at the time I tried that one, the version of the nvidia driver available in sid was *just* old enough to be too old, and I had to try to install the nvidia driver from the website, which proved indeed to be quite arcane |
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| 02:00.45 | Virtualmix | Amarande: on wheezy, the nvidia driver are currently not working and the only solution I found to have X functional is to remove the video card form my computer... sad reality |
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| 02:01.39 | Amarande | though oddly it was linux that made me switch to an nvidia card when I did |
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| 02:02.03 | Amarande | at the time, the ATI drivers had a severe bug on some systems, mine included, that would cause kernel panic whenever you'd do something so simple as log out of X or try to switch user from the screensaver |
| 02:02.27 | lfs | You should decide where the BackupPC CGI script residYou should decide where the BackupPC CGI script resides. This will usually be below Apache's cgi-bin directory.es. This will usually be below Apache's cgi-bin directory. |
| 02:02.57 | lfs | Where is Apache's cgi-bin directory? |
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| 02:03.37 | abrotman | lfs: did oyu look in the apache config ? |
| 02:04.13 | lfs | I tried to. Isn't is standard on Debian. I got Lenny |
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| 02:04.28 | abrotman | it's sitll in the config |
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| 02:06.41 | lfs | ServerRoot "/etc/apache2" |
| 02:06.45 | lfs | Is that it? |
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| 02:06.55 | abrotman | no |
| 02:07.05 | Virtualmix | /usr/lib/cgi-bin ? |
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| 02:07.10 | nvz | how do I add a display mode to a running x session? |
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| 02:07.28 | lfs | What does that lline mean? |
| 02:07.28 | nvz | the native resolution of this display is 1280x1024 which isnt one of my modes |
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| 02:10.23 | rhenani | Hello guys need some help, I just bulit vlc 1.1.12 on my debian squeeze, previously i had vlc 1.1.11 bulit too |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | nvz: xrandr if it's available |
| 02:10.39 | mindbender1 | abrotman: thanks for the link but it still advises that apt-get should be used for major upgrades. Can I use it to upgrade to sid and please help me with a link to how |
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| 02:11.02 | rhenani | the thing is that I deleted the folder of 1.1.11 version from home directory file and have the new one vlc 1.1.12, and when i open it it keeps showing the old version |
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| 02:12.17 | lfs | So where is apache's cgi-bin directory on Lenny? |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | lfs: did oyu look in the apache config ? |
| 02:12.46 | lfs | I Might as well be reading Chinese |
| 02:12.55 | Virtualmix | lfs: did you had a look in /usr/lib/cgi-bin ? |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | rhenani: did you look in /usr/bin/ ? |
| 02:13.07 | lfs | Thats empty |
| 02:13.22 | abrotman | did you ask your Admin ? |
| 02:13.29 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I had the wrong option.. I figured it out |
| 02:13.30 | karlpinc | mindbender1: You want to read the release notes and follow the specific recommendations for each release. |
| 02:13.50 | nvz | apparently there is an --addmode you use rather than --mode |
| 02:13.51 | abrotman | mindbender1: that's for normal/sane upgrades .. what you're doing is neither |
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| 02:14.08 | Virtualmix | lfs: yes, its empty because its your job to place script into that folder as it is to build the website |
| 02:14.08 | mindbender1 | so what command should do |
| 02:14.15 | lfs | Debian:/usr/lib/cgi-bin# ls |
| 02:14.16 | lfs | Debian:/usr/lib/cgi-bin# |
| 02:14.30 | lfs | I installed backuppc using Debian install |
| 02:14.40 | lfs | Shouldn't it put it there? |
| 02:15.02 | karlpinc | !tell lfs about readme.debian |
| 02:15.12 | rhenani | abrotman: yesnow i see it is there why should i do, delete those files? |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | rhenani: i have no idea .. i'm not the one compiling vlc |
| 02:15.27 | karlpinc | lfs: Maybe, maybe not. The readme.debian might say. |
| 02:15.30 | rhenani | i see two files there: vlc vlc-wrapper |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 02:15.37 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 1.1.11-2+b3; sid: 1.1.12-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.11-2.1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.12-0.0 |
| 02:16.15 | Virtualmix | lfs: I'm not an expert but I don't think it should be there. Have a look in /etc/apache2/ instead |
| 02:16.48 | karlpinc | lfs: If debian is doing things differently, then the readme.debian will say. Otherwise it's dependent on how the program itself is expected to work. (You could also see the readme.debian for apache, possibly.) |
| 02:17.28 | spal | what's the way to enable "authenticated relay" in exim4? |
| 02:17.37 | lfs | Where is the line in apache.config that tells where the cgi-bin file is? |
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| 02:18.31 | abrotman | lfs: http://apache.org/ has great docs |
| 02:18.39 | karlpinc | lfs: I forget the details, exactly what the declaration is. But it could appear in mutiple places in multiple files because apache can host multiple sites. |
| 02:18.41 | lfs | I used to know this stuff, but forgot it all. |
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| 02:19.00 | karlpinc | lfs: Then you should be able to find the directive easily in the docs. |
| 02:19.39 | rhenani | abrotman/ guess if delete them it won't fix the problem |
| 02:20.46 | rhenani | can some one else help me please with this? I just built vlc 1.1.12, previously i had 1.1.11 version compiled too, at the final i deleted the folder of the old version and when i open vlc it keeps showing the old version |
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| 02:22.26 | mindbender1 | i can't understand this line from http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#How_to_upgrade_your_distribution Using full-upgrade in the regular course of events no longer the recommended practice (unless you are running sid, in which case you should not need to be reading this.) |
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| 02:27.30 | Gumby | hi all. is there a trick to getting audio working in 6.2? I just installed a base net install and then went from there. alsamixer is showing the device and when I do "dmesg > /dev/dsp" it takes some time to complete so dmesg is going through to /dev/dsp yet I hear nothing. I've moved the volume sliders in alsamixer to full for everything and also unmuted everything but still no luck |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | 6.0.2? |
| 02:27.51 | Gumby | surry yes, 6.0.2 |
| 02:27.54 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:27.55 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 02:27.55 | Gumby | sorry too |
| 02:28.31 | Gumby | thx abrotman, I'll go through that checklist |
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| 02:34.31 | Gumby | abrotman: went through that checklist and all checks out. odd thing is, I can do "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" and the file plays without error yet I hear nothing |
| 02:34.39 | Gumby | and yes, speakers are on |
| 02:34.47 | Gumby | !alsa firmware |
| 02:34.47 | dpkg | Binary-only <firmware> was removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers at linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>. |
| 02:35.10 | Gumby | !list alsa users |
| 02:35.10 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
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| 02:35.49 | abrotman | Gumby: you can msg the bot also |
| 02:35.59 | Gumby | abrotman: yes, sure can |
| 02:36.03 | abrotman | please do |
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| 02:37.15 | ner0x | What's a good gantt project management tool for linux/gnome/debian? |
| 02:37.27 | ner0x | And not "planner" because it seems to be lacking so far. |
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| 02:38.16 | abrotman | planner? :( |
| 02:38.21 | rhenani | Hello guys, need some help, I just bulit vlc 1.1.12 in my home directory, the htins is that i have the folder o the older version (1.1.11) in my home directory too, i removed the folder of the older version and the older version supposes to go away with the directory. |
| 02:38.47 | rhenani | when i open vlc it keeps showing the older version unless i do: /home/user/vlc.1.1.12 vlc |
| 02:38.59 | rhenani | and i don't want to do that everytime i want to open it |
| 02:39.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hasnt planner been itpd? |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | planner is packaged AFAIK |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | judd: versions planner |
| 02:39.43 | judd | Package: planner on i386 -- lenny: 0.14.3-3; sid: 0.14.4-4+b1; squeeze: 0.14.4-4+b1 |
| 02:40.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats that command that shows you what firewall rules you have set |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | iptables -L |
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| 02:41.56 | Virtualmix | rhenani: a dirty fix could be to add an alias into your .bashrc |
| 02:43.17 | rhenani | Virtualmix: Uhmm i was thinking on build the old version again, delete it for complete and once it's not there any more, build the new version again |
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| 02:43.35 | rhenani | I just should not build the new version having the old. |
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| 02:44.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | rhenani: fix your path? |
| 02:44.19 | rhenani | thought I've always used that way and when i remove the directory of the old version it goes away and the new version replace it |
| 02:44.38 | rhenani | Kamping_Kaiser: how?? |
| 02:45.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: path |
| 02:45.08 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 02:45.18 | Virtualmix | rhenani: did you try in a new terminal window? |
| 02:46.16 | Virtualmix | rhenani: did you empty the trash? that may be the reason why your deleted folder is still alive... |
| 02:46.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys how do I change Chain FORWARD (policy DROP) |
| 02:46.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.50 | rhenani | Virtualmix: You know the thing is that i used |
| 02:46.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am using a firewall script |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: you probably want to ask #netfilter or see netfilter.org |
| 02:47.05 | rhenani | Virtualmix: rm -r to instead go do right clik and delete as i walways do |
| 02:47.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | I dont thik it is dong this. |
| 02:47.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | ll |
| 02:47.18 | rhenani | i don't know if the comand didn't delete for complete all the files |
| 02:48.36 | Virtualmix | rhenani: how do you launch vlc? (I mean which command do you use) |
| 02:48.54 | rhenani | Virtualmix: because previously i did right click and deleted the folder and the new version replaced the other one, this time i removed the foler using: rm - r /home/rhenani/vlc-1.1.11 |
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| 02:49.25 | rhenani | Virtualmix: i have an icon in the desktop though if i do vlc (as non-root) it used to open normally |
| 02:49.49 | rhenani | now it opens the old version everywhere using vlc, in the the desktop icon.. |
| 02:50.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | well they are not responding |
| 02:50.16 | rhenani | to run the new version i have to go inside the folder: /home/user/vlc-1.1.12/ vlc |
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| 02:51.18 | Virtualmix | your desktop icon point to the wrong vlc, you should create a new one |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: you might try being patient .. they're the best people to ask |
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| 02:52.45 | rhenani | Virtualmix: but before when i removed the folder, and i open the icon it opened the new version |
| 02:52.49 | rhenani | you know what i meant? |
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| 02:53.01 | rhenani | Virtualmix: i could do that but i just don't want to leave the old version there |
| 02:53.16 | rhenani | Virtualmix: i could link the icon to the new version |
| 02:53.54 | Virtualmix | rhenani: I think I understand, but your folder probably had a different name before, that's why it was working this way and now its not |
| 02:54.25 | Virtualmix | you can also use "whereis vlc" which vlc is launched, then you can create a symlink to make it point to the one you want |
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| 02:55.13 | rhenani | that's what i was think, let me try something |
| 02:55.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | YAY |
| 02:55.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | I figured it out, |
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| 02:56.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | it worked too now my network for the guests works yay |
| 02:56.35 | Guest86583 | I just upgraded to sid and now when the computer boots, all I get is a fast-flashing cursor in the top left corner |
| 02:56.35 | Virtualmix | rhenani: or maybe you can edit the launcher on your desktop and change the path to the vlc you want... |
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| 02:57.41 | Virtualmix | roe_: do you use nvidia non-free driver? |
| 02:57.55 | rhenani | Virtualmix: http://paste.debian.net/135606/ |
| 02:58.02 | Virtualmix | roe_: I have the same issue on testing |
| 02:58.23 | rhenani | Virtualmix: ok that does not sound bad. |
| 02:58.47 | roe_ | Virtualmix, I used to, but I just replaced the guts of my machine with a SNB chipset (which is why I had to upgrade to sid) so now I am using the intel igp |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | you could have used wheezy .. |
| 03:00.05 | Virtualmix | roe_: the only solution I found is to boot in recovery mode and remove xorg.conf |
| 03:00.18 | roe_ | I thought testing was frowned upon because it doesn't get security updates |
| 03:01.26 | roe_ | gonna try that |
| 03:01.45 | Virtualmix | roe_: I no expert but I assume testing to be "safer" or more stable than sid, someone else may confirm... |
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| 03:03.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | stable+ backports perhaps |
| 03:03.52 | roe_ | Virtualmix, that seems to do it. Thanks for the tip |
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| 03:04.01 | lfs | /var/www is apache root |
| 03:04.08 | Virtualmix | roe_: glad I helped :) |
| 03:04.09 | lfs | in case anyone is interested |
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| 03:15.12 | alazare619 | what would i add in a preseed file to preseed the hostname im thinking d-i hostname=whateveriwanthere |
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| 03:29.41 | confusid_ | Anyone mess with qemu? Have a question about memory with it |
| 03:30.30 | jordanm | !ask |
| 03:30.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:31.57 | gh0st3r | if an entry in /etc/passwd/ starts with $1$ is it a md5 hash? |
| 03:32.17 | confusid_ | I have the error Failed to allocate memory: Cannot allocate memory with qemu. qemu -m 256 -hda mydrive.image -cdrom /dev/cd -boot d |
| 03:33.28 | confusid_ | system has 3 gig's mem, if I don't tell it to how much mem it works if I tell it then it gives that error |
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| 03:34.14 | jordanm | gh0st3r: hashes should be in /etc/shadow. its DES by default |
| 03:34.22 | Rusty1 | there are $qemu channels on freenode and oftc |
| 03:34.34 | Rusty1 | er #qemu |
| 03:34.48 | jordanm | confusid_: perhaps you need to specify something like "m" for megs eg 256M |
| 03:35.29 | confusid_ | yes asked 2 hours ago no responce in qemu |
| 03:35.44 | confusid_ | tried also used 1G for gig's |
| 03:35.47 | confusid_ | same error |
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| 03:36.18 | jordanm | confusid_: are you trying as root? perhaps there is a ulimit on your login shell |
| 03:36.21 | gh0st3r | jordanm say if the passwd is in /etc/passwd and i have an entry like: |
| 03:36.31 | confusid_ | using sudo |
| 03:36.38 | gh0st3r | test:$1$vyOfnQBM$mzJQwQ8LNXxQojX0WksyC0:.. |
| 03:36.39 | confusid_ | if I don't say how much mem it will run |
| 03:36.51 | jordanm | confusid_: I am not sure how sudo uses ulimits. sudo ulimit -a |
| 03:37.37 | elmo40 | hi. i am trying to install the latest iceweasel with the method from this site: http://mozilla.debian.net/ i currently have 3.0.6 and it doesnt want to install 7.0 It says I am already up to date. I tried the command "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel" Any ideas? |
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| 03:37.49 | confusid_ | I didin't think about ulimits... ty.. will read on taht.. that might be it |
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| 03:38.42 | confusid_ | elmo40 not to be rude.. how about apt-get update? |
| 03:38.55 | elmo40 | no, doesnt do it |
| 03:39.01 | confusid_ | k |
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| 03:39.37 | jordanm | elmo40: are you running lenny or squeeze? |
| 03:39.40 | elmo40 | ok, found the problem. i was typing in lenny-backports ;) |
| 03:39.45 | jordanm | ,versions iceweasel |
| 03:39.47 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-10~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-10; wheezy: 7.0.1-2; sid: 7.0.1-2+b1; experimental: 8.0~b2-1 |
| 03:39.51 | wisc | hi, does anyone here use tint2 on stable squeeze? |
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| 03:40.21 | elmo40 | thanks jordanm :) |
| 03:40.23 | elmo40 | got it now |
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| 04:45.57 | blkcrwn | hello all |
| 04:46.37 | blkcrwn | thinking of moving my web server to debian |
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| 04:46.46 | nevyn | blkcrwn: good for you! |
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| 04:47.47 | blkcrwn | indeed |
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| 04:47.53 | blkcrwn | it comes highly reccomended |
| 04:47.57 | walterheck | hello, I'm looking to set up my own local package repo with at most 20 packages in it. It will serve those packages to the internet, so I need to do signed packages as well. This page lists a bunch of tools, but it is not clear which one I should take for my situation: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 04:48.02 | walterheck | recommendations? |
| 04:48.05 | blkcrwn | my admins are ganging up on me lol |
| 04:48.48 | nevyn | blkcrwn: did you have concerns/questions? |
| 04:49.17 | blkcrwn | well i run apache now so um |
| 04:49.23 | nevyn | I can't garuntee impartial answers. |
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| 04:49.31 | blkcrwn | no problem |
| 04:49.34 | nevyn | blkcrwn: and debian contains apache |
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| 04:50.50 | blkcrwn | yeh i have only run ubuntu web server and i run red hat linux at work...i have experience on many linux distros |
| 04:51.41 | boudiccas | i'd hardly class two as 'many'! |
| 04:51.45 | nevyn | debian is an excellent cross between rhel and ubuntu but different from both. |
| 04:52.06 | nevyn | it has the stabilised software characteristics of rhel. |
| 04:52.39 | nevyn | with the large software selection of ubuntu |
| 04:53.07 | boudiccas | which has the largest software selection, ubuntu or debian? |
| 04:53.30 | nevyn | boudiccas: debian |
| 04:53.45 | boudiccas | thats what i'd hoped you 'd say :) |
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| 04:53.48 | nevyn | but maybe ubuntu if you count multiverse as "in debian" |
| 04:54.14 | blkcrwn | boudiccas: i have used a lot of distros extensively but i guess i meant to say wheni got down to business i either used ubuntu or red hat |
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| 04:55.01 | boudiccas | blkcrwn; fair enough |
| 04:55.57 | boudiccas | i moved from centos to debian six months ago, and haven't regretted it |
| 04:56.16 | blkcrwn | nice |
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| 04:56.30 | blkcrwn | my server admins have spoken |
| 04:56.40 | beardy | Listen to them. |
| 04:56.44 | nevyn | nah. |
| 04:56.49 | nevyn | be all phb |
| 04:56.54 | nevyn | otherwise what's the point |
| 04:57.07 | nevyn | choose your server OS by which has the best screensaver |
| 04:57.16 | boudiccas | lol |
| 04:57.16 | blkcrwn | that's pretty lame |
| 04:57.25 | beardy | That's Debian too. |
| 04:57.38 | blkcrwn | we are looking for security first |
| 04:57.44 | blkcrwn | ubuntu takes to long to patch |
| 04:57.46 | beardy | Having the best screensaver that is. |
| 04:58.29 | nevyn | blkcrwn: that's not going to be better on debian. the security team is on top of stuff but if you really care about that you may need a commercial support arrangement with someone like hp or redhat. |
| 04:58.48 | blkcrwn | na we have successfully fixed a lot of stuff ourselves |
| 04:59.18 | blkcrwn | we pen test our server weekly |
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| 04:59.21 | nevyn | blkcrwn: you need to be comefortable with the level of risk vs effort vs offload that you take on. |
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| 05:00.09 | blkcrwn | hm |
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| 05:02.11 | nevyn | blkcrwn: how big is your organisation? |
| 05:02.17 | nevyn | what's the cost of downtime |
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| 05:02.24 | blkcrwn | nada |
| 05:02.29 | blkcrwn | at this point |
| 05:02.36 | nevyn | how do you evaluate patching vs not patching risks |
| 05:03.00 | nevyn | always patch is a valid strategy but whether it's the right strategy is a different question |
| 05:03.01 | blkcrwn | it's a community with only 300+ members |
| 05:03.05 | blkcrwn | we are only 3 months old |
| 05:03.21 | blkcrwn | nevyn: we evaluate patch by patch |
| 05:03.21 | nevyn | blkcrwn: it's not nada |
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| 05:03.39 | nevyn | it's inconvienince to those300 members and loss of reputation and blah |
| 05:03.45 | blkcrwn | indeed |
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| 05:04.03 | blkcrwn | i guess i'm not equating it to $$ yet |
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| 05:04.47 | nevyn | blkcrwn: reputation loss at the embryonic stage does translate to large $$ later |
| 05:04.49 | nevyn | but meh |
| 05:04.54 | nevyn | we're heading offtopic |
| 05:04.54 | blkcrwn | agreed |
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| 05:27.44 | wisc | hi, is there a way to both install debian and load a non-free firmware from the same medium? (a usb stick) |
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| 05:28.54 | wisc | because i've put the .deb file for the firmware on the root of the usb, but it doesn't seem like the installer even tries looking there |
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| 05:35.20 | nkuttler | !tell wisc about installer firmware |
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| 05:47.21 | superlinux | hi. in compiz there is a tool that can turn the mouse into a pen and let me draw lines to emphasize things or to point at them. my laptop _cannot_ run compiz, but I want only this functionality while I am making tutorials as I teach. so what program i must install? |
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| 06:05.03 | travkin | !version kde |
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| 06:07.06 | zykotick9 | ,versions kde |
| 06:07.07 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
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| 06:18.56 | superlinux | ok! I found what I want. It's called Gromit |
| 06:19.10 | superlinux | it helps in presentations |
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| 06:21.34 | wisc | anyone here running wheezy on an ati card? |
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| 06:25.02 | wisc | nvm |
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| 06:25.42 | wisc | another question though. is there a way to install deb packages, but have apt resolve the dependencies at the time of installation? |
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| 06:28.18 | superlinux | what would debian do if all toy story character names are all used? what names are proposed? |
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| 06:30.06 | peterrooney | superlinux: at current release rates, probably won't happen in our lifetimes. |
| 06:30.26 | superlinux | heh |
| 06:30.51 | superlinux | peterrooney, nice response |
| 06:31.18 | nkuttler | by then we'll have toy story 55 anyway.. |
| 06:32.59 | superlinux | :) |
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| 06:37.18 | darius__w | hi, how to change user what gets emails from system services (like mrtg)? now the first user created while installing gets all emails... |
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| 06:44.11 | peterrooney | darius__w: might want to look at /etc/aliases |
| 06:45.37 | darius__w | peterrooney: does my canges stays there or some script generates taht file? |
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| 06:46.55 | karlpinc | darius__w: man newaliases |
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| 06:48.51 | karlpinc | darius__w: (And "man aliases".) |
| 06:49.00 | darius__w | reading |
| 06:50.16 | karlpinc | darius__w: Nothing generates config files, more or less by definition. (The package manager will create them on first install and then not touch them thereafter.) |
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| 06:51.37 | darius__w | well looks like it working, thanks |
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| 06:55.40 | mosno | superlinux, there's more than you might think... :) |
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| 07:14.31 | peterrooney | karlpinc: don't exim4 and clamav alter /etc/aliases ? |
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| 07:16.13 | arghx | they use it. as any other MTA |
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| 07:47.06 | josh99 | i try to install rxvt-unicode-256color using backorts but it's not available. should i get it from wheezy? |
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| 07:59.45 | arghx | !tell josh99 about ssb |
| 07:59.58 | arghx | installing it from wheezy is not a good idea |
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| 08:05.00 | mete | hi all |
| 08:05.28 | mete | I've a voyage linux and I've installed "bc" (basic calculator)... but when I run bc --help there comes no output |
| 08:05.32 | mete | how can I fix this? |
| 08:05.54 | mete | I've installed bc with "apt-get install bc" and also tried to compile it by myself.... |
| 08:06.39 | Bushmills | i use debian linux, installed bc the same way, and get an overview of options when doing that |
| 08:06.49 | hartzie | yep me too |
| 08:07.10 | Bushmills | maybe you could try debian instead? |
| 08:07.23 | mete | I tried both Bushmills.... |
| 08:07.29 | mete | apt-get and self compiled |
| 08:07.43 | mete | also calculating with bc doesn't work... I doesn't get any output :( |
| 08:08.24 | Bushmills | see http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1318320479191259688d.png |
| 08:08.44 | mete | Bushmills: thank, I know how it should be :P |
| 08:08.52 | mete | but I don't know how to get it work... :( |
| 08:08.57 | Bushmills | well, for fixing such things: determine the cause of the problem, then fox it. |
| 08:09.03 | fasta | Is diffing A with B the same as diffing B with A except replacing + with -? |
| 08:09.10 | mete | on my other machine it works without any problems |
| 08:09.30 | Bushmills | fix it, even |
| 08:09.32 | mete | is there a other simple tool to doing some calculations in the shell? |
| 08:09.52 | Bushmills | echo $((4+5)) |
| 08:10.31 | mete | this works... should be enogh for my little shell script |
| 08:10.36 | mete | thanks Bushmills |
| 08:10.49 | fasta | mete: echo '5+3'| bc |
| 08:10.58 | Bushmills | for shell scripts? probably much preferable over shelling to an external program |
| 08:11.02 | fasta | mete: bc can do much more, AFAIK. |
| 08:11.17 | fasta | If you want efficiency, don't use a scripting language at all. |
| 08:11.32 | Bushmills | as you can result=$((expression)), for example |
| 08:11.37 | fasta | For simplicity I like my solution. |
| 08:11.56 | beardy | If you don't read a few lines before, don't answer. |
| 08:12.21 | fasta | beardy: he said bc 'didn't work'. |
| 08:12.23 | beardy | Simplicity by involving external programs? |
| 08:12.42 | mete | fasta: this doesn't work on one of my machine... don't know why |
| 08:12.57 | beardy | fasta: Yes? And then you tell him to use it? |
| 08:13.09 | fasta | beardy: of course it works on his machine. |
| 08:13.31 | fasta | mete: what error message does it give? |
| 08:14.21 | beardy | He's not even running Debian. but you're answer is still .. weird. |
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| 08:14.43 | mete | fasta: nothing... only blank output |
| 08:14.52 | beardy | your* |
| 08:14.57 | mete | root@temper1:/# echo '5+3'| bc |
| 08:14.57 | mete | root@temper1:/# |
| 08:15.13 | fasta | mete: try bc -i |
| 08:15.24 | mete | root@temper1:/# bc -i |
| 08:15.25 | mete | root@temper1:/# |
| 08:15.30 | beardy | !based on |
| 08:15.31 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 08:15.47 | fasta | Yeah, I am going to go with beardy's answer too. |
| 08:15.56 | mete | ^^ |
| 08:15.57 | Bushmills | try bc <<< 3+2 | hd |
| 08:16.15 | fasta | Perhaps it is a completely different shell. |
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| 08:16.39 | mete | I haven't the package hd Bushmills ^^ |
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| 08:16.53 | Bushmills | hexdump -C instead |
| 08:17.13 | fasta | mete: What does bc -i; echo $? give? |
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| 08:18.30 | mete | isn't installed Bushmills... should I try to install it? |
| 08:18.43 | mete | root@temper1:/# bc -i; echo $? |
| 08:18.43 | mete | 0 |
| 08:18.54 | Bushmills | if you want to see what is actually sent to output, if anything at all, yes |
| 08:19.58 | mete | k will try that :) my box is a bit slow... :PP |
| 08:20.51 | mete | root@temper1:/# bc <<< 3+2 | hexdump -C |
| 08:20.51 | mete | root@temper1:/# |
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| 08:22.00 | m3ridian | I have several hardlinked directories which Im trying to sizecheck with du * -sh. On my old debian system (3.1) du shows the complete size of the directory but on 6.0.3 the first directory checked shows the full size whereas the following directories checked only show a partial size. any idea what might be the problem (maybe it's a feature?) ? |
| 08:22.10 | Bushmills | indicates that there's really no output, not just spaces, or black-on-black text |
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| 08:22.19 | mete | ok... |
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| 08:24.05 | mete | concalc seems to be working |
| 08:24.38 | jelly-home | mete: your distro might use different tools from Debian. |
| 08:24.44 | jelly-home | !voyage |
| 08:24.44 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
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| 08:29.11 | digdilem_ | roodytood, please don't pm spam |
| 08:29.51 | fasta | mete: if you are on a broken platform, just use whatever works, even the very limited capabilities of the shell. |
| 08:30.11 | mete | I just trying fasta ;) :) |
| 08:30.36 | fasta | mete: Perhaps your platform has Scheme Shell support. |
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| 08:31.57 | mete | fasta: this is working as I ned it: tail -n 1 /root/temp.txt |awk '{print $0-4}' |
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| 08:34.29 | sh00p | can somebody explain to me what the hell is going on here |
| 08:34.29 | sh00p | http://fpaste.org/yYjq/ |
| 08:35.30 | jelly-home | sh00p: does id -a in that shell show the relevant group? Did you forget to log off and log in after adding groups? |
| 08:35.58 | sh00p | hmm.. id -a does not show fuse, but I did close the terminal and opened a new one |
| 08:36.04 | sh00p | so I need to log off? |
| 08:36.06 | jelly-home | yes |
| 08:36.22 | sh00p | oh crap, thanks |
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| 08:40.28 | fasta | What is the reason for having to log on and off with group changes? Just legacy? |
| 08:41.01 | PerfDave | fasta: Arguably, there's a security element - user needs to re-authenticate after group changes made. |
| 08:41.20 | PerfDave | But mostly it comes down to process inheritance in UNIX, I expect ;) |
| 08:42.08 | fasta | PerfDave: why would it have to re-authenticate? |
| 08:42.54 | PerfDave | fasta: It's not bad practice when auth privileges change. |
| 08:43.10 | jelly-home | fasta: ask yourself this: where does group membership come from? At which point in the login process does the system assign user and group id? |
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| 08:43.54 | fasta | jelly-home: If I am on a forum on a website and the administrator gives me the power to be moderator, I don't have to relogin either. |
| 08:44.08 | fasta | I don't see why there would be any difference with an OS. |
| 08:44.14 | PerfDave | fasta: The model is entirely different there :) |
| 08:44.29 | PerfDave | If you've ever tried writing a web app and an OS, you'd understand :) |
| 08:44.44 | fasta | In one model data is being shown depending on credentials and in the other case... too. |
| 08:44.52 | jelly-home | fasta: that's because you don't have a permanent connection to the website. Credentials are reestablished on each GET or POST http request. |
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| 08:45.16 | fasta | jelly-home: so, then it is an efficiency thing. |
| 08:45.46 | jelly-home | fasta: well. Yes, but if it worked differently then the OS would not be called unix-compatible |
| 08:46.07 | fasta | But considering that sending a few bytes is not noticable in this modern age it seems this 'efficiency' is not needed anymore. |
| 08:46.16 | fasta | jelly-home: I am not married to UNIX. |
| 08:46.22 | fasta | But I suppose the world is. |
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| 08:46.34 | jelly-home | fasta: well, you're free to use something other than Debian |
| 08:46.42 | fasta | jelly-home: that was not the point. |
| 08:46.57 | jelly-home | fasta: that's what it boils down to |
| 08:47.00 | fasta | jelly-home: it was just a technical question and so far the answer has been 'legacy'. |
| 08:47.14 | PerfDave | There are technical reasons, there are practical reasons. |
| 08:47.27 | fasta | PerfDave: ok, what is the #1 technical reason? |
| 08:47.28 | jelly-home | fasta: it's not legacy, it's an essential property of unix process management |
| 08:47.39 | PerfDave | fasta: That's the way it's written :) |
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| 08:48.04 | PerfDave | Anyway, I don't really see what this has to do with Debian, perhaps you'd be better off asking in ##linux |
| 08:48.22 | jelly-home | roughly, only root can add privileges; processes run by other users can just inherit from parent |
| 08:49.04 | fasta | But if you want to remove privileges, those are not immediately applied for logged in users. |
| 08:49.14 | jelly-home | correct |
| 08:49.20 | PerfDave | That's why sysadmins have slay(1) ;) |
| 08:49.35 | jelly-home | gentlemen prefer pkill |
| 08:49.49 | nevyn | likes slay |
| 08:49.55 | nevyn | it's often convinient |
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| 08:51.18 | fasta | Also, a user loses all program state when he needs just a bit more credentials to do something. |
| 08:51.31 | fasta | Windows also does it in the UNIX way, right? |
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| 08:51.51 | PerfDave | No idea, Windows is offtopic on #debian ;) |
| 08:51.53 | fasta | From a user point of view I think it is a fairly broken model. |
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| 08:52.11 | PerfDave | fasta: THat's nice, feel free to submit patches to kernel.org ;) |
| 08:52.32 | fasta | PerfDave: but then it wouldn't be UNIX anymore and everyone will hate me. |
| 08:53.00 | PerfDave | fasta: *shrug* Seriously, did you have a point or did you just come here to whine? |
| 08:53.25 | PerfDave | 'cause I don't see that you have any better understanding of this subject than anybody else here, which is to say apparently not much ;) |
| 08:53.49 | fasta | PerfDave: uhm, what kind of a response is that? |
| 08:54.11 | fasta | PerfDave: I ask a question and I get lots of uhm, I don't know and vague reasons. |
| 08:54.17 | PerfDave | One that seems appropriate to the subject at hand :) |
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| 08:54.27 | fasta | "The UNIX Gods decided this" is not a reason. |
| 08:54.42 | PerfDave | You ask a question that's offtopic for this channel, have had several pointers to more useful resources. |
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| 08:54.51 | jelly-home | fasta: yes it is, it's an architectural decision. |
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| 08:55.00 | fasta | ##linux a more useful resource? That's a good joke. |
| 08:55.31 | fasta | jelly-home: then we simply have to agree that what you consider to be a reason and what I consider to be a reason are two different things. |
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| 08:55.56 | jelly-home | fasta: nod |
| 08:55.57 | PerfDave | fasta: Sorry, there don't seem to be any people around who are sufficiently expert in UNIX design theory and kernel-level security to answer your question to your satisfaction. |
| 08:56.29 | nevyn | is this why do you need to relogin after changing groups? |
| 08:56.29 | fasta | PerfDave: that's ok. |
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| 08:59.46 | PerfDave | Allowing an existing process to acquire new privilages mid-run seems like a potential security risk to me, certainly. |
| 09:00.03 | nevyn | processes can do that with libcap |
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| 09:02.16 | simon_q_ | I have a user wanting to start a gui crontab task but insists on logging out is it possible to attach to a system wide DISPLAY from crontab whilst logged out ? |
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| 09:03.55 | PerfDave | simon_q_: What are you trying to achieve? If the user isn't logged in, where would the app you want to launch from cron go? |
| 09:05.27 | simon_q_ | PerfDave thanks that what I told him but he insists it has worked in the past of course I dont believe but I wanted to make sure that I wasnt mistaken my view is it needs to be logged in to have a enviroment DISPLAY for the xserver connection.. |
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| 09:09.35 | PerfDave | simon_q_: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 09:12.54 | fasta | I think you can likely just use a mini-xserver running in a screen session which doesn't actually do anything with what commands it receives from the xclient. |
| 09:13.15 | nevyn | simon_q_: there's xmove which works sortof like screen for X apps |
| 09:13.15 | fasta | Now, whether such a thing exists is a completely different thing entirely. |
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| 09:13.25 | jelly | it's called xvfb |
| 09:13.28 | nevyn | simon_q_: but it's reasonably nuts |
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| 09:13.56 | fasta | jelly: and does it work? |
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| 09:14.08 | jelly | fasta: that's a silly question |
| 09:14.52 | fasta | jelly: it might be a broken program. It's not like there aren't more broken programs in Debian. |
| 09:16.04 | fasta | Well, that's a bit harsh. Likely it does work. |
| 09:16.06 | nevyn | hrm xmove seems to have gone into unmaintained mode sadtimes |
| 09:16.16 | nevyn | http://www.dreness.com/blog/?p=35 has a description of how it works |
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| 09:23.05 | simon_q_ | PerfDave found it he was running a vncserver session and of course this leaves a session running only instead of DISPLAY 1.0 he was using 0 so its now working thanks for your comments |
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| 09:24.22 | mosno | is gmane still the best way to search mailing lists online? |
| 09:25.24 | nevyn | hates gmane |
| 09:25.27 | nevyn | but yes |
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| 09:25.59 | mosno | i'm not a huge fan, either ... but it's the best i've found (including versus http://lists.debian.org/search.html) |
| 09:26.16 | mosno | i suppose i could use an nntp client |
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| 09:28.29 | jelly | but that doesn't give you a search interface |
| 09:28.43 | jelly | unless you pull up all the headers |
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| 09:31.07 | mosno | true |
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| 09:31.27 | mosno | not to mention pull headers for all lists that may contain results you want |
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| 09:37.27 | dnano91 | hey... i have a problem, installing a networkprinter that requires an authentification... using system-config-printer the program freezes, cups webinterface doesn't offer this option and editing the file /etc/cups/printers.conf does not work... |
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| 09:39.42 | jelly | dnano91: what kind of network connection does the printer use? |
| 09:39.46 | Wolfflow | babilen: Hi, I informed @anarcart and he says that he is aleready on and going to update the aegir package issue. |
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| 09:40.31 | dnano91 | jelly: sorry, it is smb |
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| 09:40.55 | jelly | dnano91: I've successfully added a windows shared printer by providing an url like smb://username:password@hostname/path in the web ui |
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| 09:42.18 | dnano91 | when i use a ppd file... can i delete it after installing the printer? |
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| 09:42.45 | dselect | It's ok, I'm here! My factoid database is readonly and my short-address character is % |
| 09:42.59 | jelly | dnano91: you may wipe the source, cups copied it somewhere to its configuration |
| 09:43.25 | dnano91 | jelly: ok, thank... now i'll see if it works |
| 09:43.30 | jelly | dnano91: why not keep it somewhere if you ever have to add a similar printer or reconfigure the current one |
| 09:43.53 | dnano91 | jelly: Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED) |
| 09:44.34 | jelly | dnano91: if you need to use DOMAIN\username, url-escape the backslash... smb://DOMAIN%5Cusername:password@.../.../ |
| 09:45.21 | jelly | possibly easier to edit the relevant DeviceURI in /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 09:45.44 | NodeX | is there anyway to exit out of a forced fsck on boot.... one of my drives is stuck at 23.2% and it's driving me mad |
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| 09:46.00 | jelly | dnano91: ... web ui seems to forget the username and password bits when you Modify Printer |
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| 09:46.11 | NodeX | oh and keep it from going into ro mode |
| 09:46.21 | Aldus | hi, my debian server is automatically disconnecting me from SSH after some minutes of inactivity. I'm not sure if it's due to my connection or what, as it only happens with that server. Is there some setting I could check? |
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| 09:46.55 | jelly | Aldus: might be a firewall in between. |
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| 09:47.09 | dnano91 | jelly: do you have any idea, why the system-config-printer freezes? |
| 09:47.32 | Aldus | jelly, how could i check it? |
| 09:47.43 | jelly | dnano91: no idea, never used it |
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| 09:48.21 | izepstan | someone can help me quickly, short question: http://pastebin.com/pzz18juq |
| 09:49.05 | jelly | Aldus: hm... add ServerAliveInterval (man ssh_config) and see if it helps |
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| 09:49.36 | jelly | izepstan: how is this a Debian question? |
| 09:49.40 | tvm | izepstan: ask in the channel that supports your language |
| 09:49.43 | Aldus | jelly, i'll try thanks |
| 09:49.51 | izepstan | oh fuck |
| 09:49.52 | izepstan | sry |
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| 09:49.53 | izepstan | haha |
| 09:49.55 | izepstan | =) |
| 09:49.58 | tvm | :) |
| 09:50.36 | PerfDave | izepstan: Mmm, that looks wonderfully exploitable ;) |
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| 09:50.50 | Aldus | jelly, should i use it on my local machine or on the server? |
| 09:51.00 | izepstan | nae, the framework handle this |
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| 09:51.05 | izepstan | ^^ |
| 09:51.44 | tvm | aldus: you can use ssh -vvv to debug your session |
| 09:51.49 | ppalmes | how to get the number of cores in the command line? |
| 09:51.50 | tvm | aldus: to see what is happening |
| 09:52.14 | PerfDave | ppalmes: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 09:52.45 | jelly | Aldus: it's a client configuration option. |
| 09:52.55 | Aldus | tvm, ok thanks |
| 09:53.00 | Aldus | jelly, thanks, i'll try |
| 09:53.15 | Aldus | jelly, I'm considering also using ClientAliveInterval on the server, that could help as well i guess |
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| 09:54.14 | tvm | aldus: you shouldn't need it, unless you are on very broken connection |
| 09:54.22 | ppalmes | thanks PerfDave |
| 09:55.01 | Aldus | tvm, ok :) i'll see |
| 09:55.52 | jelly | tvm: that's exactly what his initial question suggests |
| 09:56.39 | tvm | indeed. |
| 09:56.50 | Aldus | actually i bought a very good connection, fast and usually stable, but i have this problem |
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| 09:57.04 | Aldus | when using the neighbour's poor and far away connection i didn't have it |
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| 10:14.07 | zatix | I have a USB headset and it is not working, I think that the problem might be that the system is using another device as an output |
| 10:14.50 | zatix | I have another machine that runs in other linux distribution and gnome-volume-controller allows me to choose the hardware I want but the one of devian doesnt |
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| 10:15.25 | zatix | I dont have such option and I think it might be this the problem because the hardware is properly recognized |
| 10:16.35 | zatix | any idea of how to do this? |
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| 10:16.56 | zatix | I posted the problem and some screenshots here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71264 |
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| 10:18.14 | mindbender1 | please how to I resume a stalled upgrade with aptitude? |
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| 10:18.49 | mindbender1 | I'm upgrading to sid from squeeze |
| 10:19.18 | rookmoot | hi, yesterday i upgraded to unstable, since then, when my xorg is running it uses 100% cpu |
| 10:19.25 | rookmoot | someone have an idea ? |
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| 10:19.42 | nevyn | sid is not an upgrade |
| 10:20.05 | rookmoot | i know that, but i needed it for some reason |
| 10:20.17 | mindbender1 | how do I describe moving from squeeze to sid |
| 10:20.32 | Sevet | mindbender1: surely that's more of a downgrade? :) |
| 10:20.39 | Sevet | right, squeeze->sid makes more sense |
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| 10:20.50 | mindbender1 | that's what I meant |
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| 10:21.25 | babilen | mindbender1: Please provide more information (preferably on http://paste.debian.net) -- What do you mean by "stalled" ? |
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| 10:21.28 | mindbender1 | I'm running squeeze and now I'm moving to sid |
| 10:21.29 | Sevet | could quit aptitude then run it again... |
| 10:21.30 | Sevet | there's "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade" |
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| 10:21.52 | Iridos | just interrupt it and run it again? I mean... might not have much other choice |
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| 10:22.54 | Sevet | any already installed are done. the one in progress will be reinstalled putting it in a good state. the queued ones will then be done. |
| 10:22.57 | mindbender1 | by stalled I meant that my connection went after about 1GB of download then suddenly ran out of battery and machine restarted now I want to resume |
| 10:23.15 | Sevet | so it should be fine to just run aptitude again to upgrade |
| 10:23.17 | Iridos | zatix, http://paste.debian.net/135660/ |
| 10:24.12 | rookmoot | hoo i just found something interesting |
| 10:24.12 | babilen | mindbender1: So, you where just downloading when your system ran out of energy? You can just run "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude dist-upgrade" again |
| 10:24.12 | mindbender1 | I don't want it to redownload all files again but use those files already downloaded and only download those that failed from previous attempt |
| 10:24.16 | Sevet | and probably a good idea whenever doing a big os install/upgrade to be on mains power ;) |
| 10:24.25 | rookmoot | i changed my gtk theme to "highcontrast", and my cpu doesn't load anymore |
| 10:24.37 | Sevet | it won't download them again, they get cached in /var/cache/apt |
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| 10:24.41 | babilen | mindbender1: That is the standard behaviour -- Downloaded packages are saved in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:24.44 | zatix | Iridos: what I have to do with this? |
| 10:24.48 | mindbender1 | Sevet: I had power outage |
| 10:24.58 | Sevet | ah ok |
| 10:25.03 | Sevet | if you've already got them it'll only download it if its been removed from the cache or if there's a newer version |
| 10:25.27 | Iridos | zatix, guess |
| 10:25.52 | Iridos | zatix, wait, wasn't that your pastebin? |
| 10:26.02 | Iridos | it was |
| 10:26.34 | mindbender1 | Sevet: so aptitude dist-upgrade should work? cos I read of aptitude -f dist-upgrade somewhere |
| 10:26.40 | NodeX | can anything be doen if a system doesn't listen to a control D interrupt and continues checking a disk |
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| 10:26.52 | Iridos | zatix, mine works... so your dmesg output isn't very useful? It only shows your device registers well and good |
| 10:26.56 | babilen | mindbender1: What does "aptitude dist-upgrade" want to do? |
| 10:27.33 | mindbender1 | babilen: to upgrade from squeeze to sid after editing sources.list |
| 10:27.46 | zatix | Iridos: so the point is that the headset is properly recognized but I think the system is using the sound card of the motherboard by default instead of the headset |
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| 10:28.13 | zatix | in fedora and ubuntu the command gnome-volume-control allows me to choose what output I want but the one of debian doesnt |
| 10:28.16 | zatix | and I think this is the problemç |
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| 10:29.02 | sig09 | -0 * * * * command , what is this means to cron ? |
| 10:29.04 | Sevet | mindbender1: -f is a force flag. try without it and see if you get any errors. -f will override them if there are, although there could be a better way to resolve them. |
| 10:29.05 | babilen | mindbender1: Yes, I know what it does. But why is it not doing that in your case? |
| 10:29.19 | Iridos | zatix, well, use the other one then... that's normal. 1st sound device always gets used |
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| 10:29.59 | babilen | mindbender1: What happens if you run it? |
| 10:30.12 | zatix | Iridos: but the headset uses USB I can not plug it in the soundcard |
| 10:30.14 | mindbender1 | babilen: actually I just wanted to be sure it won't start all over again |
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| 10:30.27 | Sevet | sig09: on the hour, every hour... not sure about the -, but i'd guess it'd just be treated as 0 |
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| 10:31.12 | Sevet | mindbender1: you'll currently be half way between squeeze and sid, it'll just continue the upgrade |
| 10:31.15 | mindbender1 | babilen: moreover I initially started the upgrade with sudo aptitude then u, then U |
| 10:31.19 | babilen | mindbender1: It does not (unless you've deleted the packages from the cache) |
| 10:31.24 | sig09 | Sevet, 0-5 in mimute field means , run in 0,1,2,3,4 and 5 th minutes, right ? |
| 10:31.35 | mindbender1 | babilen: ok |
| 10:31.35 | Sevet | sig09: yes |
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| 10:33.11 | sig09 | so instead of 0, is there any meaning for -0 ? |
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| 10:33.27 | Sevet | not afaik, i haven't seen that before |
| 10:33.59 | Sevet | minderbender1: for future reference uU is the same as 'aptitude upgrade' which is different from 'aptitude dist-upgrade' |
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| 10:34.04 | sig09 | i saw that in awstats's cron job , :) |
| 10:34.07 | Sevet | for squeeze->sid you'll want dist-upgrade |
| 10:34.30 | Sevet | upgrade updates packages but doesn't install any new packages. dist-upgrade will also install new packages. |
| 10:35.12 | Sevet | also handles some dependancy changes better |
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| 10:37.39 | Sevet | mindbender1: at least that's my understanding, but certainly dist-upgrade is the one you want in this case |
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| 10:39.56 | Iridos | zatix, if you can't select the sound device you'll have to look further than dmesg... |
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| 10:42.10 | NodeX | does anyone know of a password resetter for linux as an iso or w/e |
| 10:42.41 | NodeX | more importantly debian |
| 10:42.46 | babilen | NodeX: Which passwords do you want to reset? |
| 10:42.54 | NodeX | err root lol |
| 10:42.55 | babilen | !i forgot my root password |
| 10:43.02 | babilen | !i forgot root password |
| 10:43.07 | babilen | kicks dpkg |
| 10:43.23 | NodeX | the system has gone into an fsck cycle and the only way to break it is to enter the root password |
| 10:43.29 | petemc | %ifrp |
| 10:43.32 | babilen | !i forgot root's password |
| 10:43.33 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 10:43.37 | ||arifaX | babilen: single user mode http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub |
| 10:43.40 | NodeX | to which I saved once in my secureCRT and didn't bother writing it down lol |
| 10:43.45 | babilen | petemc: Thanks -- I am eternally indebted :) |
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| 10:43.54 | petemc | any time |
| 10:44.00 | petemc | i thought dselect was heer |
| 10:44.01 | NodeX | I can't even get it to do that |
| 10:44.02 | petemc | here |
| 10:44.33 | NodeX | it does 1 of 2 things, reboots and goes into normal mode where it forces the fsck, 2. reboots into rescue mode which forces the fsck |
| 10:44.36 | mindbender1 | Sevet: now that I have gone the uU way if it finishes, can I still run aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 10:44.55 | NodeX | any attempt to Crtl+C results in a read only file system lol |
| 10:44.58 | Sevet | i think so |
| 10:45.16 | babilen | NodeX: Then chroot from a live cd into the running system. Make sure that your filesystems are OK before doing that though. |
| 10:45.17 | petemc | NodeX: sounds like a damaged filesystem |
| 10:45.23 | mindbender1 | but I should still have a usable system after uU |
| 10:45.23 | NodeX | yer I know |
| 10:45.26 | mindbender1 | ? |
| 10:45.31 | NodeX | but I need to get a litel bit of data from it |
| 10:45.34 | NodeX | little * |
| 10:45.42 | NodeX | drive is only 3 months old :( |
| 10:45.46 | babilen | mindbender1: Sure -- Just run "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 10:45.58 | Sevet | it should be usable, but you might be missing a few packages from sid... i think dist-upgrade will probably fix that though |
| 10:46.01 | petemc | NodeX: so why does it matter if its read only ? |
| 10:46.06 | NodeX | babilen : it's a remote server |
| 10:46.12 | mindbender1 | ok thanks |
| 10:46.22 | NodeX | petemc : because it hangs at trying the syslogd and wont move past it |
| 10:46.31 | NodeX | trying to start the syslogd ** |
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| 10:48.47 | Sevet | minderbender1: you should bear in mind that dpkg's advice on sid is 'Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in' |
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| 10:48.57 | Iridos | zatix, I don't like the gnome thing much... try running alsamixer, then press "S" |
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| 10:49.57 | Sevet | so expect problems, and if you're unable to fix them then sid is probably not the best version to be using |
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| 10:50.02 | zatix | Iridos: that allows me to change the volume of the headset device but there is no option to set the default output |
| 10:51.38 | Sevet | testing is usually a better one to use, although it's still not meant to be used on production servers as you'll still have problems from time to time |
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| 10:54.37 | Iridos | zatix, most programs have an option to change the sound device... I don't think you can change the default device from gnome in debian... that's a pulse thing (and debian doesn't by default use pulse) |
| 10:54.43 | Iridos | !tell zatix -about sound default |
| 10:55.09 | zatix | Iridos: ok thanks |
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| 10:57.11 | gele | Hello. |
| 10:57.28 | gele | Does the first installation DVD for 6.0.3 contain all packages needed for the "laptop" and "desktop" tasks? |
| 10:58.02 | tvm | gele: yes. |
| 10:58.09 | gele | tvm: Great, thanks. |
| 10:58.27 | NodeX | yay got it to fastboot by editing the grub .. now I can change the fricken root password |
| 10:58.34 | NodeX | coz now i can login :D |
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| 10:59.28 | Iridos | hmm |
| 10:59.34 | Iridos | zatix, actually, try http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39116&start=45 |
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| 11:00.18 | Iridos | zatix, i.e. gstreamer-properties |
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| 11:02.01 | zatix | Iridos: so I did that and I changed the device and I can actually hear the tone when I click the test button |
| 11:02.25 | zatix | but I can not still hear music with Rythmbox but I am almost there thanks .D |
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| 11:03.45 | _Dave123_ | how can I set a size that terminal on gnome will automatically open in? |
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| 11:07.03 | _Dave123_ | nvm i got it |
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| 11:07.59 | mosno | is the parted family of tools the best way to resize an LVM LV containing an ext4, or should i do it manually? |
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| 11:08.49 | mosno | where "manually" means resize2fs and fdisk |
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| 11:09.17 | colo-work | just use lvresize |
| 11:09.20 | colo-work | it will take care of the rest |
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| 11:09.40 | colo-work | fdisk doesn't understand LVM anyway, and I don't think parted does either |
| 11:10.02 | gele | Don't you have to resize2fs anyway, to tell the filesystem to use the new space? |
| 11:10.14 | mosno | colo-work: i don't think lvresize is aware of the filesystem |
| 11:10.31 | mosno | colo-work: i'd break my fs if i didn't resize the fs first |
| 11:11.02 | mosno | from the manpage: "You should therefore ensure that any filesystem on the volume is shrunk first so that the extents that are to be removed are not in use" |
| 11:11.16 | colo-work | mosno, I used to resize using lvresize (on Squeeze) a few weeks ago |
| 11:11.31 | colo-work | it automatically called resize2fs after the LV's size was changed |
| 11:11.38 | mosno | colo-work: in that case, the manpage is severely out of date |
| 11:11.39 | colo-work | and initiated the online growth process |
| 11:11.43 | colo-work | yup |
| 11:11.46 | colo-work | I noticed that :) |
| 11:11.48 | mosno | colo-work: on squeeze? |
| 11:11.52 | colo-work | on Squeeze. |
| 11:11.55 | mosno | wow. |
| 11:12.07 | mosno | now the question is, do i trust you :) |
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| 11:12.12 | colo-work | no harm in having a backup though, right? :D |
| 11:12.45 | mosno | yeah... but i'm doing the resize so i can take a backup in the first place. bah, i guess i should be safe and do a manual one first. |
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| 11:13.18 | gele | Does lvresize do that when shrinking as well? |
| 11:13.32 | gele | (but calling resize2fs before shrinking the volume obviously) |
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| 11:15.31 | mosno | i'm basically trying to backup my laptop HDD, which has /boot in a regular partition, and [swap, home, root] on LVM. i selected fsarchiver as my backup tool of choice. backup will be to an external USB HDD> |
| 11:15.49 | mosno | is there something better than fsarchiver? it seems decent from its webpage... |
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| 11:16.36 | mosno | i basically want a complete backup (partitions, filesystems, xattrs), hence fsarchiver |
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| 11:16.37 | babilen | mosno: I don't know fsarchiver, but you might want to take a look at backuppc, dirvish and duplicity |
| 11:16.52 | mosno | babilen: i don't think any of those do complete backups, just file-level |
| 11:17.01 | mosno | babilen: ie. they're not for system restore |
| 11:17.03 | babilen | mosno: Yes |
| 11:17.33 | dustpan | hello, im trying to get my mail server sorted but all the guids seem to be for dovecot 1.x where my install has 2.x, would it be unwise to downgrade for simplicity of following tutorials? |
| 11:17.40 | mosno | babilen: "yes", i'm correct? |
| 11:18.44 | gele | At least duplicity just deals with files. |
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| 11:20.49 | babilen | mosno: yes |
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| 11:21.01 | babilen | \o/ RichiH :) |
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| 11:21.56 | digdilem_ | spring cleaning? |
| 11:22.08 | babilen | digdilem_: exactly |
| 11:22.09 | RichiH | aye |
| 11:22.12 | RichiH | well |
| 11:22.14 | RichiH | fall cleaning |
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| 11:22.48 | ike | Global unban day. |
| 11:23.35 | Iridos | all trolls welcome |
| 11:23.53 | comradekingu | all trolls equal |
| 11:25.15 | Iridos | err |
| 11:25.33 | Iridos | so in what part of the world is it spring now? |
| 11:25.41 | Iridos | South Africa perhaps |
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| 11:26.10 | Iridos | ah... right... fall cleaning... leaves and bans fall |
| 11:26.24 | zatix | Iridos: I solved it thanks :D |
| 11:26.24 | Iridos | <-- catches up, if a bit slowly |
| 11:26.35 | Iridos | zatix, which way did you go? |
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| 11:26.48 | zatix | Iridos: I modified /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 11:26.51 | Iridos | ok |
| 11:26.55 | Iridos | judd, versions dovecot |
| 11:26.56 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
| 11:27.03 | zatix | and changed the default card and device |
| 11:27.07 | Iridos | judd, versions dovecot-core |
| 11:27.08 | judd | Package: dovecot-core on i386 -- sid: 1:2.0.15-1; wheezy: 1:2.0.15-1 |
| 11:27.54 | Iridos | zatix, probably best way... I usually find it easier to find changes made in a config file than with some obscure gnome/gconf/whatever setting |
| 11:28.06 | zatix | yes.. |
| 11:29.45 | Iridos | zatix, although I have to wonder... why's that in /usr/share/alsa and not in /etc/alsa or /etc/asound.conf |
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| 11:30.30 | Iridos | or did you copy alsa.conf from there to /etc/alsa.conf? |
| 11:31.02 | Iridos | dustpan, there's no dovecot in squeeze |
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| 11:31.27 | Iridos | judd, versions dovecot-common |
| 11:31.29 | judd | Package: dovecot-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; sid: 1:2.0.15-1; wheezy: 1:2.0.15-1 |
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| 11:32.59 | mosno | does parted in squeeze fully support ext4? i'm looking at the git repo for parted but the commit logs aren't that detailed |
| 11:33.25 | mosno | i'm not seeing any mention of ext4 in the parted documentation on my disk |
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| 11:34.25 | gele | The Debian installer ought to have a "paranoid" mode that used encrypted LVM for everything, disabled all networking at every boot, blocked all network traffic except for Tor and disabled suspend-to-RAM. |
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| 11:35.24 | Iridos | hm, or got renamed |
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| 11:36.12 | Iridos | gele, good idea... and you'll personally help anyone who locks himself out of such a system, right? |
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| 11:36.32 | jelly | gele: how large a percentage of users do you think would benefit from that added complexity? |
| 11:37.03 | mosno | gele: sounds like a nice candidate for a blend |
| 11:37.10 | gele | Iridos: You couldn't "lock yourself out" any more than you could with the encrypted LVM option in the current installer. |
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| 11:37.54 | Iridos | gele, which I'm not a fan of |
| 11:38.13 | Iridos | although it's hard to see at what other place you could better start configuring it |
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| 11:38.41 | Iridos | but if you can set up that stuff without any expertise, it'll be no surprise if you have no clue whatsoever how to deal with problems |
| 11:39.47 | Iridos | jelly, I bet it's a large amount of people... must be at least a ppm or two |
| 11:39.48 | ArKaItZ | Hello. Is there anyone skilled on installing django using uwsgi on cherokee? |
| 11:40.09 | Iridos | that's a bad throat infection you got there |
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| 12:02.45 | eternity13 | why aren't home and end buttons working inside ssh as superuser? they work normally with different user |
| 12:04.14 | mosno | eternity13: try ssh to localhost and see if they work |
| 12:04.45 | mosno | eternity13: oh wait, "normally with different user"... |
| 12:05.11 | Iridos | eternity13, they do for me |
| 12:05.30 | Iridos | oh... root... can't ssh in as root |
| 12:05.42 | gele | How are the UUID values used in /etc/fstab computed? Do they still refer to the same partition if the disk is moved to another bus type (e.g. from internal ATA to an external USB casing) ? |
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| 12:05.55 | Iridos | well, ssh --> su still no problem |
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| 12:06.53 | gele | eternity13: Do you have different keyboard configurations in console and xorg? |
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| 12:11.05 | jelly | gele: they're not computed. Each filesystem's metadata contains that UUID among other things. |
| 12:11.15 | gele | jelly: Oh, OK. |
| 12:11.40 | jelly | gele: (so, yes, connecting the device in a different way doesn't change uuid) |
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| 12:12.42 | Iridos | so why's there the label and a uuid |
| 12:13.27 | gele | One human-readable, one globally unique? |
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| 12:14.32 | Iridos | I don't believe any of those "globally unique" claims |
| 12:14.50 | Iridos | like with the mac addresses |
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| 12:15.39 | colo-work | 1 in 2^128. do the math. |
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| 12:15.52 | abrotman | colo-work: that's not a guaranteed unique system ... |
| 12:16.07 | rly | Is there an English thesaurus package for dict available? |
| 12:16.10 | colo-work | no shit? |
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| 12:17.52 | abrotman | rly: dict-moby-thesaurus ? |
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| 12:21.12 | rly | abrotman: thank you |
| 12:22.48 | Iridos | admittedly... 5E28 IDs for each person on earth |
| 12:23.10 | abrotman | Iridos: not unique! |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | runs off to have 5e28 kids ... |
| 12:23.47 | Iridos | makes purely coincidental overlap a bit unlikely |
| 12:24.26 | Iridos | abrotman, but lets stop there... seeing that you are a bit busy now |
| 12:24.30 | abrotman | they said the same thing about DNA! look what they've done now! |
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| 12:25.27 | Iridos | abrotman, about 80000 moles of kids :P |
| 12:25.40 | Iridos | and what have they done now? |
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| 12:26.35 | Iridos | abrotman, impossible to have so many kids... |
| 12:26.39 | Iridos | ... you'd run out of names! |
| 12:26.53 | Iridos | hehe... but you could give them uuids |
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| 12:27.16 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:27.45 | abrotman | 123D-123D-FDE2-D2AB: sit down and eat your dinner! |
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| 12:28.17 | jelly | calling her Alex is somehow nicer |
| 12:28.33 | Iridos | you just wait until pretty much everyone on the world is on the internets... |
| 12:29.45 | Iridos | jelly, maybe, but it confuses the heck out of her 4.34E12 sisters that are also called Alex |
| 12:30.53 | babilen | .oO( #d-ot ) |
| 12:31.07 | Iridos | babilen, I think we're done anyway |
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| 12:35.24 | k-man | I'm seeing this error: Assertion 'p' failed at pulse/simple.c:384, function pa_simple_drain(). Aborting. which appears to be a bug in libao http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608621 but afaict, the fix is not available until v 1.1.0 which is only available in wheezy. I'm running squeeze - how can I install the later version of libao? |
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| 12:40.38 | gnutoo | hi, the debian project maintained their versio of libdvdread in the past, but the git is now gone, and here: |
| 12:40.51 | gnutoo | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libdvdread, I cannot find the link trough the source repository |
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| 12:41.18 | abrotman | gnutoo: did you check the copyright file for a URL, sometimes it has one |
| 12:41.21 | gnutoo | I'd like to know what happend to libdvdread and to know where to fetch the best one |
| 12:41.24 | gnutoo | ok |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | gnutoo: upstream is mplayer |
| 12:42.17 | gnutoo | ok |
| 12:42.25 | gnutoo | so it is now called libdvdnav? |
| 12:42.29 | gnutoo | thanks a lot |
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| 12:42.56 | abrotman | gnutoo: packages.debian.org/libdvdread4 .. see if that helps ? |
| 12:43.43 | gnutoo | I just needed a link to make an openembedded recipe for mplayer, to have mplayer again on my freerunner, thanks a lot!!!! |
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| 12:46.19 | eternity13 | ln /etc/inputrc /root/.inputrc fixed my home, end button issue. |
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| 12:55.18 | metal55 | Hello |
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| 12:55.47 | metal55 | I was wondering if someone could tell me what debian package I needed to install on a MacBook Air? |
| 12:56.09 | ectospasm | metal55: package to do what? |
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| 12:56.48 | metal55 | Oh Sorry, I meant I was trying to install debian under Virtualbox and I wasn't sure which package to use |
| 12:56.55 | metal55 | was it the i386? |
| 12:57.05 | metal55 | I know its the i7 processor |
| 12:57.33 | metal55 | but not sure if that still means its the i386 chipset or not |
| 12:57.41 | ectospasm | you can use i386/i686, or x86_64/amd64 |
| 12:57.50 | ectospasm | ...both should work with an i7 |
| 12:58.13 | ectospasm | if you have more than 4GB virtual memory, go with x86_64 |
| 12:58.21 | ectospasm | er, virtual machine memory |
| 12:58.31 | metal55 | thanks, |
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| 12:58.58 | ectospasm | ...although I can't remember if the i686 install has PAE by default... |
| 12:59.10 | metal55 | Thanks ectospasm, I appreciate the help |
| 12:59.19 | metal55 | I think I will go with the i386 |
| 12:59.28 | nevyn | why? |
| 12:59.35 | nevyn | for the love of god why? |
| 12:59.38 | metal55 | then I think I will be able to share the image on my windows 7 PC |
| 12:59.41 | metal55 | lol |
| 12:59.47 | metal55 | ... ok not a good idea? |
| 13:00.04 | nevyn | metal55: how much ram does it have? |
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| 13:00.22 | metal55 | My Macbook Air has 4Gb |
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| 13:00.43 | ectospasm | metal55: your VM probably won't have that much, i386/i686 is fine |
| 13:00.58 | nevyn | are you installing on the hardware? (you bought the worst possible hardware for running free software btw) |
| 13:01.29 | ectospasm | nevyn: pssst, a Mac is still just a PC. It should run free software just fine. |
| 13:01.34 | metal55 | I was only going to give the VM 512.. its just going to run Apache and MySQL, using it as a Dev VDI |
| 13:01.47 | nevyn | ectospasm: not quite |
| 13:02.05 | metal55 | lol |
| 13:02.12 | metal55 | aww but is sooo pretty |
| 13:02.22 | ectospasm | nevyn: but anyway, he's running a VM, so your point is moot |
| 13:02.36 | metal55 | still VirtualBox is free |
| 13:03.02 | ectospasm | and the i7 processor was designed with virtualization in mind. |
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| 13:03.19 | metal55 | really, cool I did no know that |
| 13:03.54 | ectospasm | well, most modern general-purpose CPUs have special instructions for virtualization |
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| 13:04.29 | nevyn | ectospasm: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136710.html |
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| 13:05.29 | ectospasm | nevyn: oh, yeah. a live journal post is good reference. |
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| 13:05.58 | nevyn | did you see who's journal it was? |
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| 13:06.14 | ectospasm | nevyn: am I supposed to know who that is? And that it's authentic? |
| 13:06.40 | abrotman | ectospasm: it's a good reference ... |
| 13:06.49 | abrotman | very good |
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| 13:07.27 | JacobF | What is the best way to do what I want to do, print 2 pages per sheet double-sided so that when the papers are laid on top of each other and folded down the middle it forms like a boox |
| 13:07.31 | JacobF | book* |
| 13:07.49 | nevyn | tho it is 6 months old so the 6month comment means maybeit does work now. |
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| 13:08.11 | Bushmills | JacobF: cups gives you ways to do that but it may need a bit of figuring out. |
| 13:08.23 | ectospasm | nevyn: like I said, this argument is moot for more than one reason now (-; |
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| 13:08.58 | ectospasm | figures there'd be a more official kernel blog or something. Not livejournal... |
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| 13:09.17 | JacobF | I'll look into it, I did it before in OpenOffice but it was cumbersome and manual |
| 13:09.20 | nevyn | cause the kernel developers are a single voice crying in the wilderness |
| 13:09.24 | Bushmills | i did something similar just a few weeks ago, only more complex: pages 1+2 one one side, 5+6 on next sheet, 9+10 on next etc, then flipping the file and printing 3+4, 7+8, 11+12 etc on backside |
| 13:09.29 | nevyn | have you seen lkml? |
| 13:09.59 | ectospasm | mailing lists should not be read message by message. |
| 13:10.01 | Bushmills | there was one trick i remember: i had to print the backsides first, then the front |
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| 13:10.13 | JacobF | what did you use to print it |
| 13:10.24 | JacobF | cups? |
| 13:10.42 | Bushmills | reason is, had i done it the other way around, it would have been necessary to reorder the pile by sorting last page first, second last to second etc |
| 13:10.47 | ectospasm | JacobF: it's not CUPS that controls what you want to do. It's controlled in the application. |
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| 13:11.01 | Bushmills | laserjet 4100. single side printing laser printer |
| 13:11.08 | nevyn | ectospasm: how should they be read? |
| 13:11.19 | JacobF | I have an officejet single sided printer |
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| 13:11.26 | ectospasm | nevyn: I usually search through them. Much more efficient unless it's a low traffic list. |
| 13:11.42 | JacobF | And what I want to print is just plain text |
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| 13:11.59 | ectospasm | I'd imagine subscribing to lkml would be like shooting the firehose straight down your throat. |
| 13:13.30 | nevyn | ectospasm: the point I was making (badly) is that an official blog is so completely forign to the way the process works. |
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| 13:14.26 | ectospasm | nevyn: point well taken. I'm not that familiar with the kernel development process. I'm (marginally) more familiar with Asterisk development. |
| 13:14.42 | ectospasm | nevyn: and this has gotten OT, IMHO |
| 13:14.46 | nevyn | yeah |
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| 13:33.11 | _Dave123_ | I'd like to know if it's possible to launch terminal on debian gnome with a shortkey, does anyone know? |
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| 13:34.14 | Justin | _Dave123_: gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 13:35.15 | _Dave123_ | thanks |
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| 13:46.16 | khaleel5000 | hi, whats linux 3.0 pae for? (debian sid) |
| 13:46.42 | khaleel5000 | I have intel c2d laptop, using 2.6.26xxx kernel, just wondering if upgrade is for me? |
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| 13:47.27 | gimpy0138 | pae is "physical address extension". A way to get >4GB of RAM on a 32 bit machine, 3.0 is just a newer version of the kernel. |
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| 13:48.11 | khaleel5000 | ok, thanks. gimpy0138 |
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| 13:50.02 | nevyn | khaleel5000: how much ram do you have? |
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| 13:54.11 | khaleel5000 | nevyn: i have 2 gigs, i wont need pae but say 3.0 so thought may be its the only upgrade for kernel |
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| 13:54.25 | khaleel5000 | but it appears nvidia headers for it are not available, |
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| 14:06.43 | jelly | ,versions linux-headers-3.0.0-2-686-pae |
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| 14:30.21 | Bushmills | i use mediainfo for that purpose |
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| 14:32.09 | nitzs | Bushmills: okay. but it's not in the debian repos. |
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| 14:33.06 | ecolitan | if i'm running squeeze, then using squeeze-backports means I would get packages from wheezy? |
| 14:33.21 | jelly | nitzs: mplayer also shows some of it |
| 14:33.33 | abrotman | ecolitan: yes, if available |
| 14:33.36 | Bushmills | ,versions mediainfo |
| 14:33.36 | judd | Package: mediainfo on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 0.7.41-0.0; sid-multimedia: 0.7.50-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 0.7.50-0.0 |
| 14:33.53 | Bushmills | !dmm |
| 14:33.53 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 14:34.11 | nitzs | Bushmills: okay. thanks. |
| 14:34.11 | krion | hey guys |
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| 14:34.31 | krion | i wonder where the default nfs options are setup in debian ? |
| 14:34.42 | ecolitan | and I read that setting pin priority isn't necessary for squeeze-backports, how does this work then? |
| 14:34.42 | krion | because i got a weird behaviour |
| 14:35.07 | krion | on a fresh install, nfs mounts pass sec=sys as options, on a dist-upgrade it pass sec=null |
| 14:35.07 | ecolitan | krion: /etc/exports ? |
| 14:35.17 | krion | ecolitan: on a client |
| 14:35.19 | jelly | ecolitan: nothing gets installed from there unless you explicitely ask for it |
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| 14:36.03 | Bushmills | in /etc/default are also some nfs options set |
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| 14:36.43 | ecolitan | krion: you have to manually tell the client how to mount, or write in /etc/mtab |
| 14:36.55 | ecolitan | jelly: thanks |
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| 14:37.29 | krion | ecolitan: that's what i did, but didn't answer my question :) |
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| 14:38.14 | krion | hence why a fresh squeeze install mount nfs share with sec=sys, and a dist upgrade mount it as sec=null, while both fstab got only 'defaults' as nfs mount options |
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| 14:43.59 | krion | ecolitan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492970#90 this seems to answer my question |
| 14:45.40 | ecolitan | krion: further than I'd gotten |
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| 14:47.05 | Jef91 | how do I change system language from the command line? |
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| 14:48.11 | krion | Jef91: try LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 14:48.24 | ecolitan | this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591456 has been fixed, but I cant figure out how to get the fixed package in squeeze |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | Jef91: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:49.27 | ecolitan | the fix has been uploaded to sid, how long will that take to come down the line? |
| 14:49.37 | Ephexeve | Hey all, question, everytime I open a terminal windows, it opens at the / folder |
| 14:49.41 | Ephexeve | how can I change this? |
| 14:49.49 | abrotman | Ephexeve: in what? |
| 14:49.54 | Ephexeve | in root |
| 14:49.56 | Ephexeve | folder '/' |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | no .. in whichh Terminal app ? |
| 14:50.08 | abrotman | in which version of Linux? |
| 14:50.10 | Ephexeve | gnome-terminal |
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| 14:50.22 | Ephexeve | it does here (never did before I installed compiz, i think) |
| 14:50.30 | abrotman | in which version of Linux? |
| 14:50.44 | Ephexeve | squeeze stable |
| 14:50.55 | Ephexeve | uname -r is 2.6 |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | and what does the prompt look like? |
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| 14:51.17 | abrotman | the full prompt |
| 14:51.32 | Ephexeve | what? |
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| 14:52.37 | Ephexeve | When I CTRL + T (keyboard shortcut for Terminal) it open normal, but the normal folder is '/' not ~ |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | like "bob@foo:/#" or however you have it made |
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| 14:53.44 | ChibaPet | Hm, my copy and paste seems to be erratic lately. I'm not seeing a clipboard manager running. Should I be seeing a default clipboard manager with Gnome under Squeeze? |
| 14:53.46 | Ephexeve | its ephexeve@Ephexeve-laptop:/$ |
| 14:54.08 | Ephexeve | and if I just cd, goes to my ~ |
| 14:54.09 | abrotman | and your 'echo $PWD" is really / ? |
| 14:54.35 | Ephexeve | yes |
| 14:54.53 | ecolitan | Ephexeve: echo $PS1 |
| 14:54.59 | gele | ChibaPet: I thought clipboards were handled by the X11 server? |
| 14:55.19 | ChibaPet | gele, to some extent they are, but persistence is handled only if you have a clipboard manager |
| 14:55.35 | abrotman | gele: not all ... some DEs have their own tools |
| 14:55.37 | ChibaPet | for instance, if you quit an application, what you copied in it goes away without a clipboard manager |
| 14:55.46 | babilen | Ephexeve: Have you been here before? |
| 14:55.47 | gele | Oh, right. |
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| 14:56.29 | ChibaPet | I'm just seeing weird stuff, like between two gnome-terminals, copy is simply failing to happen randomly, or when I paste I get a gratuitous trailing newline for some reason. |
| 14:56.36 | babilen | Ephexeve: (and asked about the very same problem) |
| 14:56.46 | Ephexeve | ecolitan: ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:w\$ |
| 14:56.51 | Ephexeve | babilen, not that I remember |
| 14:57.08 | Ephexeve | First time |
| 14:57.09 | ChibaPet | chroot in there?? |
| 14:57.28 | Ephexeve | (since I am a Arch user) and I love debian running on my laptop |
| 14:57.32 | babilen | Ephexeve: Ok, I am asking because this is the second time that I hear about it. I assume that you are up-to-date and in particular running 6.0.3. Is that correct? |
| 14:58.03 | Ephexeve | Yes |
| 14:58.31 | Ephexeve | built date; 11.12.2010 |
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| 14:58.54 | Ephexeve | any ideas for this? |
| 14:59.05 | babilen | Ok, give me some time. I will try to reproduce that issue on one of my VMs. |
| 14:59.20 | Ephexeve | Very strange.. if I cd goes to my ~ (otherway around than from ~ to / |
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| 14:59.25 | Ephexeve | *) |
| 14:59.28 | Ephexeve | Ok |
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| 14:59.49 | abrotman | Ephexeve: tried creating a new user and see if it still happens ? |
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| 15:00.36 | babilen | Ephexeve: I am not entirely sure what exactly causes this and where this regression comes from -- a very very horrible crude but working hack would be something like "cd /home/USER" in your bashrc ... I would also recommend to try creating a new user. |
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| 15:01.25 | Ephexeve | Babilen, just a sec, let me try to create a new user then and see if this happens too |
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| 15:03.48 | Ephexeve | Babilen |
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| 15:03.53 | Ephexeve | tried adding a new user |
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| 15:03.56 | Ephexeve | and all works fine |
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| 15:04.00 | Ephexeve | it starts at the ~ |
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| 15:04.37 | Zxcvb | is password authentication the default for ssh logins on debian squeeze? |
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| 15:04.53 | abrotman | Zxcvb: as opposed to? |
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| 15:05.07 | nkuttler | key auth? |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | i'm checking! |
| 15:05.24 | abrotman | he might have something like ldap in mind :) |
| 15:05.25 | Zxcvb | yes, key auth |
| 15:05.29 | nkuttler | which would be annoying as you'd have to put the pubkey on the host first |
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| 15:05.40 | abrotman | Zxcvb: yes passwords |
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| 15:05.54 | Ephexeve | abrotman, I will try to add compiz to the new user I made and see what happens to the terminal, just a sec |
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| 15:08.16 | acu | does anyone knows howto start a virtual machine with some kvm ? |
| 15:08.27 | Bushmills | Zxcvb: ssh is preconfigured for keys. you simply need to place your public key on the server |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | but it does also allow passwords |
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| 15:08.53 | Zxcvb | so if you want keys you just put the key on the server and disable passwords? |
| 15:08.58 | Bushmills | therefore, you could easily say "password or keys are default" |
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| 15:09.38 | Bushmills | no. if you want keys exclusively, you'd disable passwords |
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| 15:10.22 | Zxcvb | wtf? why is it installing openoffice when I selected ssh/file server but not gui environment in tasksel? |
| 15:10.23 | ChibaPet | Randomly, if anyone sees the copy/paste errors I've seen, Parcellite might be the answer. |
| 15:10.24 | Bushmills | otherwise, password authentication will only be used when key based authentication isn't used |
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| 15:12.04 | Darkelfjuggalo | I updated my google Chrome, and Though the system says it is intalled there is no evidence of the file or application's location to be capable of running it[the icon disappeared from the Application's drop down menu and the only other location is the .deb package from google.com in mt temp folder] |
| 15:12.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | any suggestions how to locate it on my squeeze? |
| 15:13.04 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: can you launch it from the command line? |
| 15:13.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | I dont know the file path to launch it |
| 15:13.57 | Iridos | try ch[tab] |
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| 15:14.11 | Ephexeve | babilen: tried adding a new user, and the terminal started in ~, |
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| 15:14.14 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: try typing "goog" en then press TAB ? |
| 15:14.20 | Ephexeve | any idea what's happening here? |
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| 15:15.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok that ran the browser |
| 15:15.32 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: now you can use "whereis google-chrome" to locate the launcher |
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| 15:16.10 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: (replace google-chrome by the proper program name) |
| 15:16.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok it gave me two file paths |
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| 15:17.02 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: there you have your answer :) |
| 15:17.06 | Ephexeve | babilen: you still there? |
| 15:17.19 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: why dont you use chromium instead of google chrome? |
| 15:17.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | /usr/bin/google-chrome and /usr/share/man/ma1/google-chrome.1 is my launcher the first one? |
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| 15:17.51 | yonkeltron | i'm having some issues with aptitude complaining about things not being in my PATH when using sudo. if i sudo su then it's fine. how can i go about researching this issue? i'm using zsh on testing. |
| 15:17.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | Chromium would not load my flash at all... Chrome doesnt Crash is |
| 15:18.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | it^ |
| 15:18.07 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: yes it is, the second one seems to be the manual page |
| 15:18.58 | Ephexeve | anyone?? :( |
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| 15:19.40 | qrq | What is name of application that install deb files? |
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| 15:19.58 | Virtualmix | qrq: gdebi ? |
| 15:20.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | Thank you should i create a text Doc to auto Run launcher as I have with my firefox[firefox is managed by me rather than the system] seeing as there is no launcher icon in the applications? |
| 15:20.02 | yonkeltron | qrq: are you asking about the apt family of tools? |
| 15:20.19 | qrq | No |
| 15:20.29 | qrq | I use xfce and I want to install deb -_- |
| 15:20.46 | qrq | By clicking on it. |
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| 15:20.59 | qrq | And I need to know activator. |
| 15:21.06 | Virtualmix | qrq: I think you want gdebi |
| 15:21.08 | qrq | I mean command. |
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| 15:21.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | qrq whats you Desktop environment? i know gdebi is for gnome |
| 15:21.23 | Ephexeve | ecolitan, abrotman, babilen: you guys still there? |
| 15:21.30 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: do you run gnome? |
| 15:21.33 | qrq | XFCE |
| 15:21.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | yes i use gnome |
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| 15:22.12 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: then right clic on desktop > Create launcher |
| 15:22.13 | nube | Hey all |
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| 15:22.15 | Burns | Hey |
| 15:22.24 | Burns | how to know what takes up my hdd space |
| 15:22.33 | qrq | I got it. |
| 15:22.36 | qrq | Thanks |
| 15:22.56 | Darkelfjuggalo | and put in the file path as the name? |
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| 15:23.06 | Darkelfjuggalo | i mean command? |
| 15:23.39 | Bushmills | qrq: just "clicking on it" will not be successful in cases where the .deb requires additional packages, to satisfy its dependencies |
| 15:23.54 | qrq | Bushmills I know. |
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| 15:23.58 | Bushmills | qrq: consider to install your .deb files from a command line |
| 15:24.09 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: "Browse" then select the file /usr/bin/google-chrome |
| 15:24.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok |
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| 15:24.47 | qrq | Bushmills I got gdebi |
| 15:24.54 | qrq | Bushmills Problem solved. |
| 15:24.56 | qrq | :P |
| 15:24.58 | qrq | :) |
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| 15:25.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | thank you |
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| 15:26.18 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: also, if you want your launcher back into your gnome menu, right clic on the menu and select "edit menu" |
| 15:28.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | oh, I keep asking this question but never get an answer... i have system and security updates waiting[over a week] but my update manager cant lock file bc it says my aptitude or apt-get is dealing with the up dates, and my apt-get and aptitude say another program is accessing the folder preventing the lock... |
| 15:28.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | any suggestions to correct this error? |
| 15:29.02 | Bushmills | some sort of auto updater or apt toolbar app running? |
| 15:29.04 | nube | So, I have a quick question, guys. I installed Debian yesterday, changed the repo to testing; everything was working fine (installed gnome-core and the whole nine, ran an aptitude upgrade, and edited the fstab), until I rebooted. When I tried entering my username and password, it wouldn't go through. I tried the *root* account and it still wouldn't go through |
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| 15:29.33 | Virtualmix | Burns: there's a graphical program call baobab |
| 15:29.34 | nube | I thought it was my keyboard that had crapped out at first, but it's working fine. |
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| 15:30.18 | Bushmills | Darkelfjuggalo: lsof should be able to show what other program accesses that lockfile |
| 15:30.33 | wimm | Darkelfjuggalo - sounds like your running both apt-get and aptitude at the same time, hence the lock. |
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| 15:30.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok thank you |
| 15:30.44 | Virtualmix | nube: do you use a qwerty keyboard? |
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| 15:32.14 | Virtualmix | nube: try to login to a tty console, you may have the wrong keyboard setup selected |
| 15:32.45 | Virtualmix | nube: otherwise boot into recovery mode and create a new user from the command line |
| 15:34.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | ??? ok...this time useing apt-get to double check the file name for the isof, apt-get upgrades |
| 15:34.42 | babilen | Ephexeve: hmm |
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| 15:35.43 | Ephexeve | babilen: oh you back, cool! |
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| 15:37.04 | nube | Virtualmix: I tried another tty console and it didn't work. It's a Logitech illuminated keyboard. I'm able to insert the username correctly, as well as root. However, when I type the password it doesn't go through |
| 15:37.50 | nube | Virtualmix: Funny thing is that it was working flawlessly before. |
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| 15:38.47 | Virtualmix | nube: ohh that's weird, can you select a different keyboard setup on GDM login screen? I've the same keyboard by the way (K800) |
| 15:39.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | I just noticed one of my upgrades... Squeeze has a new ISO? |
| 15:39.19 | babilen | Ephexeve: So, is the bug reproducable with compiz? |
| 15:39.29 | babilen | !tell Darkelfjuggalo -about 6.0.3 |
| 15:39.52 | nube | Virtualmix: lol. I'm not a fan of GDM. I use bare-ass Linux console for loginl |
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| 15:40.26 | nube | Virtualmix: It's a weird issue, man. And it's annoying, as I want to finish setting up my Debian box. I do NOT want to go back to Ubuntu (ugh(. |
| 15:40.28 | Ephexeve | Babilen, I turned compiz on the other user all worked well, I think its Compiz of my video driver, since when I installed debian, without the drivers, the terminal was ok, after installing the driver and compiz, restarting came to this |
| 15:40.52 | Ephexeve | but then again, it would be strange, since the other account works fine.. |
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| 15:41.00 | babilen | Ephexeve: So you couldn't reproduce the behaviour so far? |
| 15:41.13 | Virtualmix | nube: oh yes it sound weird, I'm trying to think... Are all the key working when you type you username? |
| 15:41.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | kool thanks when this finishes... the Lenny Kernal never removed from my system and it worries me having an old kernal I'm not using... |
| 15:41.47 | Ephexeve | Babilen, what? |
| 15:42.13 | nube | Virtualmix: Yep. They work perfectly fine. I don't know why -- all of a sudden -- I'm unable to login when I didn't have a problem before. |
| 15:42.24 | babilen | Ephexeve: You just see that behaviour with your first user not the one that was newly created? |
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| 15:42.58 | Ephexeve | Yes |
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| 15:43.13 | Ephexeve | the second users I just created works fine, I open the terminal and it's at ~ |
| 15:43.14 | Virtualmix | nube: then its not an issue with the keyboard or capslock... all I can think of is reboot in recovery mode and create a new user |
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| 15:43.58 | babilen | Ephexeve: Pity! I had hoped that we/you would be able to figure out what causes this behaviour for your original user. :-( |
| 15:44.33 | Ephexeve | babilen, indeed, I tried googling, but nothing :'( |
| 15:44.44 | Ephexeve | maybe there is someone here who know?? |
| 15:44.47 | Ephexeve | *knows |
| 15:44.53 | nube | Virtualmix: Regardless of whether or not I create a new user, the issue lies within root as well -- which won't allow me to make system-wide changes. |
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| 15:45.12 | nube | Ugh. I love Debian, but this has to be the most obscene issue I have ever come across. |
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| 15:45.51 | salvin | can i modify the audio track of an avi file with a low-pass filter using mencoder or ffmpeg? |
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| 15:46.38 | Virtualmix | nube: you're right, damn I'm not sure what you can do to save your install... Ubuntu does not sound like a solution to me XD |
| 15:46.49 | gentoo_drummer | is there a nice how-to to compile the kernel on debian? |
| 15:46.50 | babilen | Ephexeve: As I said: There was someone here earlier with the same problem, but I wasn't active at that time. AFAICT they also didn't find a solution. I am not sure where else you can go. What I would do is to start moving your configuration files (i.e. .bash* .gnome* .config/* (and others)) somewhere else and migrate them back one by one ... that way you might find the culprit ... |
| 15:47.05 | nube | Virtualmix: I won't be going back to that bloated monstrosity. I'd rather fellate a hot curling iron. |
| 15:47.28 | Virtualmix | nube: ahah |
| 15:47.43 | Ephexeve | Babilen, indeed, that's my mind right now too :P |
| 15:47.56 | Virtualmix | nube: did you tried another keyboard maybe? ... |
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| 15:48.05 | gentoo_drummer | is this the howto to compile a kernel on debian? http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 15:48.06 | nube | Virtualmix: Sure did, my good man. |
| 15:48.32 | Virtualmix | nube: that was my last bet :-s |
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| 15:48.57 | Virtualmix | nube: which Debian version did you install ? |
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| 15:48.57 | nube | gentoo_drummer: There are tons of howto's on the net for it. It's best if you search for one that accomodates to your understanding. |
| 15:49.05 | nube | Virtualmix: 6, dude. |
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| 15:49.18 | gentoo_drummer | nube: whats the official one though> |
| 15:49.20 | nube | Virtualmix: the latest. I downloaded Debian yesterday and installed it. |
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| 15:50.01 | nube | gentoo_drummer: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 15:50.04 | nube | Try that |
| 15:50.17 | gentoo_drummer | nube: im on it :) |
| 15:50.21 | Virtualmix | nube: I cant think about any else than re-installing :-s |
| 15:50.49 | babilen | gentoo_drummer: I would recommend http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html -- Why are you compiling your kernel? (if I may ask) |
| 15:50.57 | nube | Virtualmix: If I re-install, I'm going to grab the nearest infant, and squeeze the life out of it. |
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| 15:52.07 | babilen | gentoo_drummer: That is: Except for that fact that your nickname insinuates that you are accustomed to the way things are done in Gentoo ;) |
| 15:52.10 | Virtualmix | nube: osqueeze it hard for me as well please |
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| 15:52.19 | gentoo_drummer | babilen: true. |
| 15:52.29 | babilen | gentoo_drummer: So, why? |
| 15:52.29 | Virtualmix | nube: I'm not sure if its possible but otherwise you can try to create a new root account ... |
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| 15:52.59 | gentoo_drummer | babilen: why not? |
| 15:53.03 | nube | Virtualmix: Not possible. Lol. |
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| 15:54.05 | nube | Unless I completely remove the entire / directory and re-install Debian while keep the current /home directory, I'm screwed. This has to be a bug. |
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| 15:54.17 | babilen | gentoo_drummer: Because it is not necessary, you are prone to make mistakes and cause yourself a lot of work as you have to make sure that you track updates yourself? |
| 15:54.54 | gimpy0138 | nube: You can't log in even as root? What error do you get? |
| 15:55.00 | Ephexeve | btw, is there a way to see if my card is running fine? |
| 15:55.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | will i need to dist-updrade when this is complete? |
| 15:55.14 | Virtualmix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.40 | nube | gimpy0138: gimpy0138 I can't recall directly as I'm at work at the moment; but pretty much along the lines of it's not the right password. |
| 15:55.44 | Ephexeve | *video card, since I installed ATI catalyst, I restarted I had a watermark saying HW not supported.. but everything was running great, so I got a script to remove the watermark |
| 15:56.05 | gimpy0138 | nube: Boot into single user mode and reset the root password then try again. |
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| 15:56.58 | nube | gimpy0138: is this a known bug? I've read that it's been happening to a couple of folks. |
| 15:57.23 | gimpy0138 | nube: I don't know, but when I can't log into root that's what I do. |
| 15:57.49 | nube | gimpy0138: lol which means that the problem occurs often? |
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| 15:59.32 | gimpy0138 | nube: Only happens to be when I forget a root password. |
| 15:59.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | do i need to dist-upgrade Debian 6.0.3? |
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| 16:00.06 | gimpy0138 | ...or when I'm trying to get into a box that was built by someone years ago who never gave out the root password before leaving the company. |
| 16:00.27 | nube | Ah. |
| 16:00.40 | nube | Well, when I get home I'll definitely try something again. |
| 16:00.40 | gimpy0138 | The latter is far more common. I've also replaced /etc/shadow via the NetBackup agent to get into a live system. |
| 16:01.14 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: you can if you want, also you can use "apt-get dist-upgrade -s" to simulate before you do it for real (so you can choose to do it or not) |
| 16:01.58 | gentoo_drummer | is the debian twitter security sufficient for me to update my system? |
| 16:02.25 | gentoo_drummer | i dont like cron "lurking" in my system |
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| 16:03.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | will the upgrades i got just now be complete without the dist-upgrade? If i dist-ungrade it, will I have to reinstall all that I have installed that wasn't default to the OS install? |
| 16:03.55 | Virtualmix | gimpy0138: is the "single user mode" the same as "recovery mode" ? |
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| 16:05.58 | gimpy0138 | Virtualmix: I;m not sure, I think the latter runs extra stuff. Single user mode is a standard Unix thing. |
| 16:06.04 | Darkelfjuggalo | Ill ask again after my Reboot |
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| 16:06.12 | Virtualmix | Darkelfjuggalo: normally, if you are running debian stable, I dont think dist-upgrade is necessary. Also it wouldn't remove your custom software |
| 16:06.20 | babilen | gentoo_drummer: Could you rephrase that question? What is "the debian twitter security" and why would cron be lurking? |
| 16:06.28 | wimm | Darkelfjuggalo - Debian 6.0.3 Squeeze is the current stable Debian offering. You don't have to do a dist-upgrade. You can try out stable and get to know it better. |
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| 16:07.00 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you shouldn't have to dist upgrade to the newest squeeze updates. Do you have non squeeze sources, put your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 16:07.33 | Virtualmix | gimpy0138: I've never see that single user mode, do you launch it from grub? |
| 16:07.38 | Darkelfjuggalo | to my knowledge i was stable before hand, so i should still be stable after my reboot for the upgrades i just got, right? |
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| 16:08.09 | gimpy0138 | Virtualmix: Yes, it is run level 1. go into grub at boot and add " single" to the end of the kernel line. |
| 16:09.00 | gimpy0138 | Virtualmix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_user_mode |
| 16:09.27 | Virtualmix | gimpy0138: Thank you, its good to know :) |
| 16:09.30 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: safe upgrade does not replace programs that have been superceeded by other programs, or important system-level packages such as the kernel. full-/dist-upgrade will do that. When you're within a given release (6.x.x) the difference is mostly kernel updates. |
| 16:09.41 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Unless you updated the kernel there is no need to reboot. |
| 16:10.19 | wimm | Darkelfjuggalo - you're stable should be up to date. |
| 16:10.44 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: As long as you stick to the release name (squeeze) you won't get involuntary changes from stable to testing. |
| 16:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Even if you use "stable" instead of "squeeze" you won't have to worry about it for quite a while. |
| 16:11.52 | jhutchins_lt | (These things are explained in the man page.) |
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| 16:25.41 | s_chng | hello! |
| 16:26.16 | s_chng | im trying to install wheezy amd64 but when i get to the choosing a package manager part, i get the error "mirror does not support the specified release (wheezy)" |
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| 16:26.28 | s_chng | this happens no matter what mirror i choose |
| 16:26.38 | s_chng | has anyone run into this problem before? |
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| 16:29.59 | wimm | s_chng - try changing wheezy to testing. |
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| 16:31.13 | babilen | s_chng: I would also recommend to use a stable installer, as getting the wheezy *installer* to work is not much of a priority right now. Furthermore I would recommend not to install wheezy (with the stable installer) but squeeze and make the switch to wheezy from there. |
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| 16:32.03 | s_chng | wimm: sorry I meant testing |
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| 16:32.24 | s_chng | babilen: i tried squeeze but it doesnt include drivers for my nic, intel 82579 |
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| 16:32.34 | babilen | s_chng: 6.0.3 does |
| 16:32.48 | s_chng | i tried following a bunch of suggestions online to manually add it but couldnt get it to work |
| 16:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | s_chng: Did you try the backported kernel? |
| 16:33.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok, i wont worry about my dist-upgrade, can someone tell me how to remove the lenny kernal? |
| 16:33.34 | themill | s_chng: that works just fine with the kmuto installer (a kernel from backports.org) |
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| 16:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | s_chng: If you can't get things to work in stable, switching to testing is just going to bring you more grief, because testing IS going to break. |
| 16:33.39 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Support for 82579 is available in 6.0.3 |
| 16:33.43 | babilen | !6.0.3 |
| 16:33.43 | dpkg | Debian 6.0.3 was released on October 8th, 2011. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Support for additional networking hardware (e.g. Broadcom BCM57765 and BCM57785, Intel 82576 ET2 and 82579, Realtek RTL8105E) is introduced. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20111008 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 16:34.10 | themill | trust me to go and grab an installer image a day too early. |
| 16:34.10 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: How are we doing with sandy bridge support? |
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| 16:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Are you upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 16:34.51 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I am not sure about that - It is working fine in sid fwiw, but that is not really what you are asking about, is it? |
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| 16:35.08 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Interested in general progress. |
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| 16:36.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | i have squeeze already, the lenny kernal never removed itself |
| 16:36.24 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: You can just remove/purge the package |
| 16:36.36 | s_chng | thanks for the help guys, if 6.0.3 has the 82579 drivers, i'll definitely give that a try |
| 16:36.37 | project2501a | hey guys, can i give screen an input file, with say, N lines of input, and it will spawn N commands? |
| 16:36.47 | babilen | themill: hehe, happens :( |
| 16:36.57 | PerfDave | project2501a: You can use a screenrc to launch programs automagically |
| 16:37.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | what is the package name for the lenny kernal? |
| 16:37.07 | themill | Darkelfjuggalo: you can look at the output of "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image" to work out what packages you no longer need. Also, /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 16:39.31 | project2501a | yes, it is. screen startup file |
| 16:40.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i need clearer instructions that that... and dpkg confused the fuck out of me |
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| 16:41.00 | Darkelfjuggalo | dpkg always conguses the fuck out of me |
| 16:41.00 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Darkelfjuggalo |
| 16:41.21 | babilen | heh |
| 16:41.26 | Psi-Jack | conguses? You sure got a purty mouth, Darkelfjuggalo. |
| 16:41.40 | pzn | is there any package for "music broadcast"? I have a 1Mbps link, and some people like to hear the same web-radio... so I tought about doing some "streaming intranet replicator". it there any package for that? |
| 16:41.59 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: Run "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image" and "aptitude search ~o" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:42.35 | Darkelfjuggalo | Psi-jack just becuase im born and raised in redneck country doesnt make me one of these people |
| 16:42.51 | Psi-Jack | Darkelfjuggalo: Talking about yer potty mouth. |
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| 16:43.32 | Darkelfjuggalo | you used back woods hick lingo for 'pretty' |
| 16:43.54 | babilen | ... or not |
| 16:44.04 | Psi-Jack | Darkelfjuggalo: Gives more of a lasting impression. :) |
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| 16:44.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | BLAH Psi-jack |
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| 16:45.27 | Psi-Jack | grins. "See.. Now you have a bad taste in your mouth from the sting of the idea." l:) |
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| 16:48.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/135744/ |
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| 16:50.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | PM me when i have to leave the COmputer for a moment |
| 16:50.09 | janis | hi guys! I want to make sure that autofs service loads after a program has run, however without delaying the bootup process. |
| 16:50.18 | janis | What is the correct way? |
| 16:50.26 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: AFAICT "aptitude purge ~o skype+" should do the trick -- You can also manually select applicable packages. |
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| 16:51.03 | janis | So far I added an entry with a post-up script that waits for a ping reply from a known local server, denoting autofs may safely be run (it draws entries from an ldap server) |
| 16:51.18 | janis | however the entire process is delayed by some 20s |
| 16:51.26 | abrotman | janis: what is it dependent on? |
| 16:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: I think VLC will do that, there are other packages to stream audio. |
| 16:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: You're wanting to re-stream something already on-line? |
| 16:52.06 | janis | abrotman, sorry, I am not sure what u r referring to, what is what dependent on? the autofs init script? |
| 16:53.09 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, yes, exactly, to re-stream in intranet a live internet radio |
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| 16:53.12 | abrotman | janis: does the program autofs depnds on run at boot time? |
| 16:53.42 | janis | on the init script I get an entry of the kind: # Required-Start: $network $remote_fs $syslog |
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| 16:54.13 | abrotman | can't you do that with your autofs ? |
| 16:54.40 | janis | but even though network is set up, the network is responsive only some 20 s after link is up, so I *have* to delay autofs queries to the ldap server until a valid responce signifies that the router has settled |
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| 16:56.00 | janis | abrotman, you mean me editing the init script so that is waits for that specific process if I understand it correctly? |
| 16:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: pulseaudio will probably also allow you to pipe your audio output to a dedicated streaming server. |
| 16:57.34 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, tks, I'll read about VLC and pulseaudio! |
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| 17:00.14 | pzn | has anyone seen this bug: using "gdm" in a server, and connecting as remote "gdm" users from remote computer. audio is being "piped" to remote computer. when I login, if remote computer does not have audio hardware, then at the loading of gnome-volume-control the kernel of the server gives an oops and dies. |
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| 17:01.10 | abrotman | seb82: you still can't IRC as root here |
| 17:01.21 | abrotman | no matter how many times you join/part |
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| 17:02.09 | janis | abrotman, did I understand u correclty? :p |
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| 17:02.21 | seb82 | lol |
| 17:02.23 | abrotman | janis: so your autofs needs a sleep of some sort? |
| 17:02.24 | seb82 | thx abrotman |
| 17:02.42 | janis | abrotman, yes, I did a for ((i=0;i<20;i++)); do ping ... ; done |
| 17:02.46 | seb82 | it's because I'm now running a bare naked system... with no graphical ui or wot so ever... |
| 17:03.18 | seb82 | spend the last 1,5 hour in upgrading lenny to squeeze... |
| 17:03.25 | somiaj | even the minimial base system gives you the ability to have multiple users |
| 17:03.26 | janis | abrotman, but I want to avoid editing the files bundled with vanilla packages, because in case of an update, the files may be overwritten. |
| 17:03.28 | ompaul | seb82: adduser |
| 17:03.41 | janis | is it a valid fear? |
| 17:03.42 | seb82 | somiaj, I know, but I though I could enter as root... |
| 17:03.55 | seb82 | ompaul, thx for the hint |
| 17:03.57 | ompaul | !irc as root |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | (from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!" |
| 17:04.18 | seb82 | lol @dpkg & @ompaul |
| 17:04.20 | abrotman | looks at dpkg |
| 17:04.21 | ompaul | seb82: don't be messin with peoples heads |
| 17:04.40 | abrotman | janis: you could stop it from starting at boot, and instead do a post-up ? |
| 17:04.40 | peterrooney | janis: not a reasonable fear |
| 17:04.41 | seb82 | ompaul, no one Highlander is enough... |
| 17:04.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | babilen why am i purging my skype? I just installed that messenger last night? |
| 17:05.17 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: You are not purging it (that is why I added skype+ at the end) -- Please read "man aptitude" |
| 17:05.19 | ompaul | seb82: also if you search you will find that irc clients are open to abuse so please resolve it now :) |
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| 17:05.34 | seb82 | ompaul,I've logged in as a normal user... |
| 17:05.40 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok |
| 17:05.40 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: Something like "aptitude remove foo+" will actually install foo ;) |
| 17:05.45 | ompaul | seb82: I missed that |
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| 17:05.50 | seb82 | np np ompaul |
| 17:05.51 | ompaul | seb82: sorry |
| 17:05.55 | janis | peterrooney, I also fear the subsequent admins may do the same. But if you say those scriupts are not to be overwritten, that's definitely a soothing thought! :))) |
| 17:05.58 | Darkelfjuggalo | i never understood foo+ either |
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| 17:06.01 | sloop_ | hello |
| 17:06.03 | seb82 | no worries... well guys brb asap...need to run an airing... |
| 17:06.13 | sloop_ | somebody try the tuptime utility in production enviroment? |
| 17:06.14 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: Now you do! Isn't it a wonderful world :) |
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| 17:06.48 | Darkelfjuggalo | do i have to sudo that command? |
| 17:06.52 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: sure |
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| 17:07.18 | janis | abrotman, simply bringing the nic up does not guarantee tconnection. I have to wait an indefinite time before (after nic is brought up) the router settles and thus have a viable internet connection. So, a simple post-up service autofs start would probably fail |
| 17:07.48 | sloop_ | sure not? |
| 17:08.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | so what exactly is beinf removed in this purge? |
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| 17:08.40 | abrotman | janis: sounds like there isn't an elegant solution |
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| 17:08.48 | janis | abrotman, unless... unless you propose to create a script to bring up autofs after it has settled.. |
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| 17:09.23 | janis | abrotman, but only if ifup does not block and wait for the script to finish (/me thinks setsid?) |
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| 17:10.25 | peterrooney | janis: it's standard procedure for debconf to ask for permission before overwriting config files, and to give you options to (a) inspect the differences, and (b) override any changes |
| 17:10.34 | babilen | Darkelfjuggalo: All obsolete packages - That is all packages that are no longer available in the repositories you configured. In short: All packages that you still have installed from earlier releases. |
| 17:10.45 | abrotman | janis: does the OS require the autofs for anything to work ? |
| 17:10.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok kool |
| 17:10.56 | sloop_ | not reply for me? |
| 17:11.17 | janis | abrotman, hm.. no, but by all means, it should be started optimally before any user loggs in |
| 17:11.38 | janis | see: home folders... |
| 17:11.57 | ompaul | sloop_: what do you mean try uptime, I've used it many times. |
| 17:12.16 | sloop_ | ompaul: uptime not, tuptime command |
| 17:12.17 | janis | ok, abrotman i'll try using a setsid script, started from network/if-up.d |
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| 17:12.59 | janis | hm.. what's the debian way to disable a service from startup from commandline? |
| 17:13.01 | ompaul | ,versions tuptime |
| 17:13.02 | judd | No package named 'tuptime' was found in i386. |
| 17:13.05 | babilen | sloop_: What is "the tuptime utility" ? Are you referring to the (yet unpackaged) http://sourceforge.net/projects/tuptime project? What does it do? Why is it important if somebody else used it apart from you? |
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| 17:13.15 | ompaul | sloop_: it is not native to debian |
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| 17:13.36 | babilen | sloop_: Do you need help to install it? Or rather: What can we do for you? |
| 17:13.48 | jelly-home | ompaul: very few packages are native to debian |
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| 17:14.18 | sloop_ | I ask if someone try it in a production server, no more |
| 17:14.24 | ompaul | jelly-home: only about 29k iirc |
| 17:14.38 | ompaul | jelly-home: the use of the word native might be strange I guess |
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| 17:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | !popcon |
| 17:15.04 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 17:15.11 | jelly-home | !tell ompaul about native package |
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| 17:15.35 | jelly-home | ompaul: if it has an upstream, it's not native. Debian is just redistributing. |
| 17:16.49 | jelly-home | perhaps it is "not packaged in Debian (yet)" |
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| 17:18.25 | sloop_ | not problem , the deb available works well |
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| 17:19.38 | jelly-home | seems like a reasonably simple perl tool |
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| 17:20.31 | alazare619 | where is the prefered applications config file stored? |
| 17:21.07 | sloop_ | jelly-home: yes, it works well, for the time that I used it |
| 17:21.30 | monstaRtruck | jelly |
| 17:21.38 | monstaRtruck | i 777ed / |
| 17:21.59 | simonlnu | why? |
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| 17:24.35 | themill | monstaRtruck: please play elsewhere. |
| 17:24.47 | monstaRtruck | im not playing |
| 17:24.50 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 17:24.55 | monstaRtruck | help |
| 17:25.12 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: restore from back up |
| 17:25.18 | monstaRtruck | i cant ssh in with my key |
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| 17:25.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: he's been quieted for making a fool of himself just last night. Proceed with caution |
| 17:25.42 | abrotman | he'll be there again |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | if he can't ssh in .. not sure how he's going to fix it anyway |
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| 17:26.53 | monstaRtruck | i was asking a debian question is that wrong? |
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| 17:27.04 | alazare619 | where is the prefered applications configuration file stored? |
| 17:27.11 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: which version of Debian? do you have backups? |
| 17:27.17 | monstaRtruck | nope |
| 17:27.19 | themill | monstaRtruck: has your mint installation miraculously turned into a debian installation now? |
| 17:27.42 | jelly-home | touched by a debiangel |
| 17:27.48 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: then you'll be reinstalling .. have a nice day |
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| 17:28.09 | monstaRtruck | no i can get into the box w a pass |
| 17:28.13 | monstaRtruck | ur not listening |
| 17:28.29 | abrotman | you're not speaking english |
| 17:28.29 | sloop_ | jelly-home: it's ok if I isntalled an application outside repos, no? |
| 17:28.57 | jelly-home | sloop_: do you trust the author and the download site? |
| 17:29.11 | sloop_ | yes, i think... |
| 17:29.20 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, I am doing a fsck one a ext4 filesystem but it keeps going out of mem, already did the e2fsck.cfg scratch file option but i think it aint working |
| 17:29.35 | jelly-home | sloop_: well, the amount of trust is the exact amount of how "ok" it is ;-) |
| 17:29.47 | sloop_ | yeha! |
| 17:29.50 | monstaRtruck | english or chinese ur not helping |
| 17:29.51 | sloop_ | thanks |
| 17:29.59 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: you *cannot* fix what you've done unless you have a backup |
| 17:30.09 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: which version of Debian is this? |
| 17:30.16 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: how large an ext4 fs? |
| 17:30.29 | PhoenixSTF | RAID 5 1.5 tb |
| 17:30.45 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: do you have 2+ GB of RAM? |
| 17:31.01 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, 6Gb |
| 17:31.04 | monstaRtruck | whats wrong w changing all permissions back to factory |
| 17:31.13 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, plus 1.2 gb of swap |
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| 17:31.21 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, it all goes away |
| 17:31.28 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: which version of Debian is this? |
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| 17:31.49 | Justin | monstaRtruck: what does '777ed' mean? |
| 17:31.55 | sloop_ | bye |
| 17:32.01 | abrotman | Justin: chmod |
| 17:32.12 | monstaRtruck | i had a .gvfs/mount-to-server-root |
| 17:32.14 | Justin | abrotman: I'm asking him :) |
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| 17:32.22 | Justin | it is not yet clear what he actually did |
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| 17:32.31 | monstaRtruck | i was in that dir and clicked properties |
| 17:32.51 | monstaRtruck | where i set everything to read wright |
| 17:32.55 | monstaRtruck | and clicked ok |
| 17:33.00 | abrotman | including subdirs? |
| 17:33.02 | monstaRtruck | yeah |
| 17:33.04 | ompaul | monstaRtruck: happy reinstalling |
| 17:33.05 | abrotman | Justin: he's also not running Debian |
| 17:33.16 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: hm. That ought to be enough but if you say it's not, it's not... I do not have experience with [scratch_files]. Get the very latest e2fsck/e2fsprogs if you can, it may contain fixes. |
| 17:33.19 | abrotman | monstaRtruck: please put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:33.31 | jelly-home | ,depends e2fsprogs --release sid |
| 17:33.32 | judd | Package e2fsprogs in sid/i386 -- depends: e2fslibs (= 1.42~WIP-2011-10-09-1), libblkid1 (>= 2.17.2), libc6 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.42~WIP-2011-10-05-1), libss2 (>= 1.34-1), libuuid1 (>= 2.16), util-linux (>= 2.15~rc1-1). |
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| 17:34.38 | abrotman | if he applied the chmod to all subdirs .. the system is gone |
| 17:34.41 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, it whould be enougth but i had big issues with the RAID, i dont know why it uses the hall ram and swap and the system kills the fsck due to no more memory |
| 17:35.15 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: I suppose you're running fsck in single-user and you don't have many other processes alive at that point? |
| 17:35.34 | Justin | abrotman: well, if he happens to have another debian system like it is easy enough to fix, but usually easier to backup data+reinstall |
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| 17:35.57 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, correct, i have some services but ocupy 200 mg of ram at most and .1% of CPU |
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| 17:36.18 | abrotman | he's also not answering questions about which version of linux he's running .. shocker |
| 17:36.19 | simonlnu | mg? |
| 17:36.20 | gimpy0138 | Someone chmod'd starting at /? I've seen this before and yes, the system is gone. Restore from backup or re-install. PEBKAC |
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| 17:36.40 | Justin | the system is technically not "gone" as all the files are still there, just with the wrong permissions |
| 17:36.41 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: version of e2fsprogs package? which debian release? |
| 17:36.52 | simonlnu | yes very much pebkac ;) |
| 17:36.55 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, debian 6 |
| 17:37.00 | gimpy0138 | Justin: Yea, but I've never seen a way to fix all of the perms. |
| 17:37.02 | daemonik | Does Kerberos authentication on Linux see use in real-world environments? If so, what's the best way to keep uids/gids persistent across systems? |
| 17:37.04 | jelly-home | simonlnu: they're very light processes! |
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| 17:37.27 | simonlnu | jelly-home: they sure are =) |
| 17:37.33 | gimpy0138 | daemonik: Kerberos doesn't care about UID and GID, it only handled authentication. |
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| 17:37.42 | jelly-home | Justin: and it's much easier to reinstall than to guide thru recovery over irc. |
| 17:38.15 | gimpy0138 | daemonik: You may want Kerberos+OpenLDAP or maybe just OpenLDAP depending on if you need what Kerberos offers (SSO and such). |
| 17:38.17 | Justin | 'find / -xdev -printf "chmod %m %p\n"' on a working system piped to sh on the broken system |
| 17:38.28 | abrotman | assuming they have the same files ... |
| 17:38.34 | daveo | newb question: under the shebang line what is the proper way to set mode to utf-8 |
| 17:38.35 | jelly-home | daemonik: debian-enterprise mailing list may offer some insights |
| 17:39.06 | Justin | abrotman: they'd have all the same important files, then it is easy enough to find / -perm 777 and reinstall the affected packages |
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| 17:39.30 | gimpy0138 | Justin: They would have to be exactly the same systems. Even the nodes in HA clusters where I work wouldn't have that. |
| 17:39.36 | daemonik | gimpy0138, Yes, Kerberos only handles authentication, but something has to supplement it so that user@example.net is recognized on each system or specific systems. Is there documentation on leveraging OpenLDAP for that? |
| 17:39.43 | daemonik | jelly-home, I'll check that out |
| 17:39.47 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, got any advice for me? i am really stuck on this one |
| 17:39.48 | Justin | gimpy0138: they would not have to be exactly the same. |
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| 17:40.39 | Justin | that will fix almost everything in /bin /sbin /lib, and then find -perm 777 will find anything else that still needs reinstalling |
| 17:40.44 | gimpy0138 | Justin: If they aren't then you miss files. Important ones like /etc/shadow may get fixed but varioud other things would still be broken and very difficult to track down. |
| 17:40.44 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: first, try e2fsck from the latest e2fsprogs. Next, ask in ext3-users mailing list. #linuxfs channel of OFTC but they say it's for developers only |
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| 17:40.59 | Justin | gimpy0138: 'find -perm 777' is not 'very difficult' |
| 17:41.02 | Na_Klar | In regart to iptables: Is it valid to first REJECT all INPUT traffic and then ACCEPT one specific? |
| 17:41.31 | Justin | Na_Klar: you have that backwards |
| 17:41.31 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, thnaks m8 but its ext4... |
| 17:41.37 | Sevet | reject as first rule or policy? |
| 17:41.41 | gimpy0138 | Justin: If you want o review every single file and make a guess at what the mdoe should be, go for it. I think the safest approach is to re-install. I would never try such hacker on any box you rely on. |
| 17:41.48 | Sevet | policy yes |
| 17:41.49 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, I will try anyway tanks a lot |
| 17:41.52 | Sevet | first rule no - it'll never reach the 2nd |
| 17:41.55 | Na_Klar | justin, you mean first accept and then reject all |
| 17:41.58 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: that's the list for the whole fs family |
| 17:42.14 | Justin | gimpy0138: are you listening? you don't have to 'guess' you simply find any files that are still mode 777 and reinstall those packages. |
| 17:42.18 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: get a decent livecd like grml.org if you can't install stuff on your working system |
| 17:42.25 | Sevet | na_klar: yes accept 1st then reject, which reject as policy will do |
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| 17:42.56 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: it's basically debian unstable + goodies, so you can boot it, aptitude update, and install latest e2fsprogs |
| 17:43.00 | gimpy0138 | Justin: Wouldn't a package reinstall either A: not touch existing files, or B: destory existing (and modified) files? |
| 17:43.36 | abrotman | gimpy0138: not all files |
| 17:43.37 | prom_nl | it's been a while since i've been here. is apt still the bot to ask questions? |
| 17:43.43 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, i thinh ill try backports or unstable e2fsprogs ty ^^ |
| 17:43.51 | abrotman | prom_nl: dpkg now |
| 17:44.08 | Na_Klar | sevet, justin, so I use a .rules file with -A INPUT -p x -dport x -j ACCEPT and then -A INPUT -j REJECT |
| 17:44.17 | Sevet | gimpy0138: it should only replace non-config files, which shouldn't have been modified. the rest you can then find with 'find -perm 777' and fix manually |
| 17:44.28 | Justin | Na_Klar: you should use -P INPUT REJECT |
| 17:44.55 | abrotman | Sevet: it will also not fix perms on directories that already exist |
| 17:44.56 | gimpy0138 | Sevet: Is dpkg smart enough to know "this is a config file I shouldn't touch, this is binary i should touch"? |
| 17:45.12 | Sevet | abrotman: try but he can fix those manually then |
| 17:45.14 | abrotman | gimpy0138: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.conffiles |
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| 17:45.24 | Na_Klar | justin, what does that -P for "policy" mean in comparsion to "rule"? |
| 17:45.25 | abrotman | Sevet: you hope .. |
| 17:45.31 | Justin | Na_Klar: 'default' basically |
| 17:45.32 | Sevet | gimpy0138: dpkg package builders list which files are config |
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| 17:46.07 | Sevet | that's how it can prompt you on update with the 'config file differs - keep/replace/show_diff?' message |
| 17:46.11 | Na_Klar | justin, so all my statements should be policies? |
| 17:46.23 | Sevet | na_klar: no |
| 17:46.26 | abrotman | Sevet: yes, that's how it knows .. so if a package doesn't use tha tfile .. bad things can happen |
| 17:46.33 | Na_Klar | confused |
| 17:46.34 | Sevet | you have 1 policy per table |
| 17:46.40 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 17:46.44 | Na_Klar | then comes the rules |
| 17:46.47 | Na_Klar | right? |
| 17:46.53 | Sevet | policy is the default action to do on a packet if it hasn't been accepted/rejected/dropped by a rule in the table |
| 17:46.57 | Na_Klar | I C |
| 17:47.11 | gimpy0138 | Sevet: Ok, so you have to trust the package maintainers....sort of a hit and miss. You could do it that way but I still think for a real prod machine I would always just rebuild so I *know* I'm in a clean state. |
| 17:47.15 | Na_Klar | policy = default behavior, then explicit rules, right? |
| 17:47.33 | Sevet | and order of -A matters, but -P can be done at any time since there's only 1 policy |
| 17:47.56 | Sevet | gimpy0138: you're already trusting the maintainers every time you update |
| 17:48.27 | gimpy0138 | Sevet: I don't update unless I'm fixing a specific problem. |
| 17:48.30 | Na_Klar | sevet, so I can say: P = reject all input, then A = allow specific port |
| 17:48.32 | Sevet | the whole point of the repositories is you're trusting them |
| 17:48.47 | Sevet | well, then i wonder how many security patches haven't been applied to your system |
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| 17:49.01 | Sevet | na_klar: yes, exactly |
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| 17:49.15 | Na_Klar | sevet, justin, ty |
| 17:49.28 | gimpy0138 | Sevet: Many, and I'm ok with it. I see no need to patch package X and only package Y is accessible to the world. |
| 17:50.09 | Na_Klar | sevet, can I set one policy for INPUT and one for OUTPUT, since you said there is only one policy per file? |
| 17:50.15 | Sevet | remember to add rules to let in everything you might expect, and you might accepting the established state useful. remember all packets hit the tables, not just the first one of a connection |
| 17:50.17 | prom_nl | i am considering a new laptop. any recommendations regarding the graphics card? |
| 17:50.24 | Sevet | 1 per table... input and output are 2 different tables |
| 17:50.29 | Na_Klar | ty |
| 17:50.41 | Na_Klar | got it |
| 17:50.51 | Sevet | INPUT,FORWARD,OUTPUT tables have policies... custom ones don't |
| 17:51.23 | Sevet | and when i keep saying table i mean chain... (sorry, late and not enough caffeine) :) |
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| 17:52.07 | Na_Klar | yeah, so that tables configuration may exist in one .rules file, i assume |
| 17:52.27 | Sevet | what's this .rules file? |
| 17:52.50 | Na_Klar | sevet, /etc/iptables.up.rules |
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| 17:53.23 | daemonik | gimpy0138, Why use OpenLDAP over something like Hesiod? |
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| 17:53.48 | Na_Klar | sevet, for activation on start-up |
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| 17:54.21 | abrotman | there is a #netfilter |
| 17:54.35 | Sevet | right, i don't use that file but i do something identical stored elsewhere |
| 17:54.50 | Sevet | it's given to iptables-restore which replaces all your iptables rules with the ones in that file |
| 17:54.58 | Sevet | so you need to store them all in there |
| 17:55.17 | Sevet | btw, you can edit your rules with the iptables command until your happy |
| 17:55.30 | Sevet | then use iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up.rules to dump those rules to that file |
| 17:55.39 | Na_Klar | yea |
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| 17:56.27 | Na_Klar | but, when restoring i got an error saying I need a chain, I startet the file with *files \r\n -P blabla .. seems like I have to use -A first |
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| 17:57.03 | Sevet | pastebin what you have? |
| 17:57.08 | Na_Klar | or should i create a new chain? .. huh, have to got more through that |
| 17:57.13 | Na_Klar | okay |
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| 17:57.23 | Sevet | and using the iptables-save trick is guaranteed to give you a file iptables-restore will like |
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| 17:58.05 | Sevet | packets always hit input/forward/output, you only create new chains if you want to jump something from one of those to do some special processing just on that type of packet |
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| 17:58.28 | Na_Klar | http://codepad.org/EVTS5Sxk |
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| 17:59.02 | gimpy0138 | daemonik: I have no experience with hesoid, you can use whatever you want. |
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| 17:59.51 | PerfDave | I need to work out how to get iptables to play nicely with Network-Manager, I'm sure it's possible. |
| 18:00.01 | Sevet | na_klar: http://pastebin.com/4yLr5TTd try that |
| 18:00.01 | gimpy0138 | daemonik: All I'm saying is that plain Kerberos isn't enough if you want UIDs and GIDs the same across many machines. I used only OpenLDAP to do it a few months ago but OpenLDAP is a pain.... |
| 18:00.18 | monstaRtruck | i do have debian btw |
| 18:00.24 | Sevet | sorry, forgot -P is only for commandline usage, in iptables-restore file it's got a different format |
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| 18:00.45 | Na_Klar | ah, i see |
| 18:00.46 | Sevet | perfdave: how so? |
| 18:01.03 | PerfDave | Sevet: Dynamically adding / removing firewall rules as interfaces change. |
| 18:01.34 | pertutatis | I have 2 questions: 1- Is debian easy enough for a 3 years ubuntu user? 2-Is squeeze better than testing for home use? Will it have lastest versions of libreoffice, gimp, firefox...? |
| 18:01.39 | ArcAngel | does anyone here have X running in xen VM? |
| 18:01.39 | Sevet | perfdave: there are hooks in /etc/network for if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d - might those be what you need? |
| 18:01.42 | ArcAngel | on squeeze |
| 18:01.57 | PerfDave | Sevet: Don't know whether Network-Manager will use them. |
| 18:02.02 | Sevet | it will |
| 18:02.14 | Na_Klar | sevet, your conf returns on restoring "cannot set policy INPUT on REJECT : bad name" |
| 18:02.18 | PerfDave | pertutatis: I use stable for home use. It doesn't have the latest versions of stuff, it has stable versions of stuff. |
| 18:02.20 | jelly-home | pertutatis: 1 - maybe 2 - depends, no, no, a tentative yes (iceweasel not firefox) |
| 18:02.25 | Sevet | network-manager controls the interfaces, but the system will always run those hooks if they go up/down |
| 18:02.28 | Justin | Na_Klar: you have it backwards |
| 18:02.43 | PerfDave | Sevet: Fair enough, I thought they only ran the hooks if you used ifup and ifdown :) |
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| 18:03.15 | PerfDave | pertutatis: I find Debian easier to use than Ubuntu; it's less buggy IME |
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| 18:03.50 | Sevet | perfdave: as far as i know network-manager uses those commands |
| 18:04.22 | Na_Klar | simply spoken I want to whitelist ports on INPUT and blacklist ports on OUTPUT |
| 18:04.41 | Na_Klar | justin, you say when whitelisting I have to do the rules before the policy? |
| 18:04.42 | pertutatis | iceweasel is ok, no problem... so I better try testing for lastest versions? (I wanna switch to debian because i think it's less resource hungry) |
| 18:05.04 | Justin | Na_Klar: no, you told it to apply the INPUT policy to the REJECT table |
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| 18:05.13 | Justin | Na_Klar: instead of the REJECT policy to the INPUT table |
| 18:05.15 | Sevet | na_klar: no, he means you must have put ":REJECT INPUT" not ":INPUT REJECT" |
| 18:05.31 | Na_Klar | same for FORWARD and OUTPUT? |
| 18:06.01 | PerfDave | pertutatis: If you're new to Debian, run stable. Newer versions are not always better. I don't think the distro affects how resource hungry it is, though ubuntu does install a lot of bloat like GNOME by default. |
| 18:06.02 | Sevet | :CHAIN POLICY [0:0] is the syntax |
| 18:06.11 | Sevet | for all chains |
| 18:06.20 | Na_Klar | but INPUT is the chain, or not? |
| 18:06.24 | Sevet | yes |
| 18:06.27 | Na_Klar | REJECT is the policy |
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| 18:06.32 | Sevet | yes |
| 18:06.34 | Na_Klar | so INPUT REJECT, not REJECT INPUT |
| 18:06.39 | Sevet | :INPUT REJECT [0:0] |
| 18:06.45 | Na_Klar | that faile |
| 18:06.47 | Na_Klar | d |
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| 18:07.29 | Sevet | should've worked |
| 18:07.52 | Sevet | pastebin your config file again? |
| 18:08.01 | Sevet | maybe something else in there broke it |
| 18:08.03 | Na_Klar | it is the exact that you posted |
| 18:08.11 | Na_Klar | sevet, your conf returns on restoring "cannot set policy INPUT on REJECT : bad name" |
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| 18:08.29 | Na_Klar | on line 3 |
| 18:08.29 | jelly-home | PerfDave: though, Debian's default DE is decidedly Gnome, too |
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| 18:09.22 | Na_Klar | line2 in your post, i added a line |
| 18:09.25 | Na_Klar | (empty) |
| 18:09.28 | pertutatis | thanks for your answers PerfDave and jelly-home, I'm still thinking of what to do... I want to use GNOME anyway in ubuntu or debian (not unity, too heavy) |
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| 18:10.20 | Sevet | na_klar: ok, i've confirmed it |
| 18:10.25 | Sevet | you want to use DROP as a policy |
| 18:10.38 | Sevet | turns out iptables doesn't like REJECT, although you could still do that as the last rule |
| 18:10.40 | Na_Klar | instead REJECT? |
| 18:10.55 | Sevet | and the error message is confusing, looks like it's giving them the wrong way round |
| 18:11.02 | Arrowmaster | thats weird, you should be able to reject with iptables |
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| 18:11.18 | calculon_ | Hi, guys! |
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| 18:11.22 | calculon_ | May ask u? |
| 18:11.23 | Sevet | :INPUT DROP [0:0], and if you do that i suggest you consider making the last INPUT rule -j REJECT |
| 18:11.23 | Na_Klar | i'd rather like to reject than to drop .. |
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| 18:11.40 | Sevet | DROP sends no reply, REJECT sends a ICMP error so connects fail without having to timeout |
| 18:11.41 | Na_Klar | hm .. |
| 18:11.42 | pertutatis | see you! ;) |
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| 18:11.54 | calculon_ | How much opensource software is under GPL license? |
| 18:12.02 | Arrowmaster | there are situations when REJECT is better than DROP |
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| 18:13.02 | architek | the advantage of a drop over a reject for a server is questionnable |
| 18:13.06 | Sevet | na_klar: at a guess the reason you can't use it as a policy is it's actually sending it to a module not just accept/drop |
| 18:13.09 | Na_Klar | arrowmaster, i think that too |
| 18:14.10 | Na_Klar | sevet, i see .. well, drop worked for restoring, but the effect seems not to be right .. but that could be related to my input --dport 80 rule is not correct .. |
| 18:14.12 | Arrowmaster | ive heard of network hardware getting overloaded from a ddos when using drop, and switching to reject fixed everything because it made all the networking hardware clear the connections from memory |
| 18:15.06 | Sevet | well, what's not quite right? |
| 18:15.18 | Na_Klar | it is wondrous hard to define a whitelist for incomming requests on debian ^^ |
| 18:15.20 | Arrowmaster | so my dvd drive has stopped working after swapping discs, anyway to reset it |
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| 18:17.07 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.debian.net/135770/ is the last i got out of syslog from it and now nothing new is showing up |
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| 18:17.12 | rotflcopter | hi |
| 18:17.24 | Sevet | na_klar: on input i accept any '-i lo' '-m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED' and '-p icmp' and then whitelist based on proto+port, works fine |
| 18:17.30 | rotflcopter | is there a standard way of mounting 5 encrypted disks with 1 password at system startup (preferrably without luks?) |
| 18:17.45 | Sevet | remember to accept icmp or you'll get problems with not receiving icmp errors and pmtu breaking |
| 18:17.47 | Justin | rotflcopter: lvm |
| 18:17.58 | Sevet | and you need to combine '-p tcp' with '--dport 80' |
| 18:18.05 | Na_Klar | yea |
| 18:18.19 | rotflcopter | Justin<< i'd like to put raid6 on the crypted volumes.... |
| 18:18.36 | Justin | rotflcopter: no, you put the crypted volumes on top of raid6 |
| 18:18.54 | rotflcopter | so there is no solution for my question? :( |
| 18:19.03 | rotflcopter | only if i write a script? |
| 18:19.11 | Justin | rotflcopter: you're doing it wrong. |
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| 18:20.09 | Sevet | na_klar: one thing to remember... outgoing connections will have packets coming back hitting the input chain (and visa versa) |
| 18:20.27 | Sevet | -m state --state --ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT in both INPUT and OUTPUT will handle those |
| 18:20.30 | Na_Klar | sevet, but accepting lo state established and icmp does not deactivate any ports. Or is it a default behavior when setting up that rules, that everything goes primary off? |
| 18:20.53 | Sevet | and the earlier you put it, the fewer rules will be processed for those packets (which are the majority in a connection) -> less latency/load |
| 18:21.06 | Na_Klar | i can see that |
| 18:21.21 | Sevet | lo is loopback connections only, which you should be able to trust |
| 18:21.28 | Na_Klar | sure |
| 18:21.28 | rotflcopter | Justin<< but if i make lvm volume on disks before crypting, then the lvm volume is unencrypted right? |
| 18:21.38 | Sevet | established,related are connections that have already been accepted by your firewall |
| 18:21.47 | Sevet | first packets in a connection have a different state (NEW) |
| 18:21.47 | Justin | rotflcopter: no, you make the lvm volume after encrypting |
| 18:22.01 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 18:22.11 | Na_Klar | that make sense |
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| 18:22.42 | rotflcopter | so i have 5 disks encrypted with same password, and would have to mount them at startup before LVM can use them then |
| 18:22.47 | Sevet | so i just do the incoming port whitelisting on the NEW ones, accept icmp/established/related/loopback and drop everything else |
| 18:22.53 | Sevet | never bothered with outgoing |
| 18:23.04 | Sevet | but same principle will apply |
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| 18:23.28 | Na_Klar | I understand, but how do you drop anything else on the end? |
| 18:23.33 | Justin | rotflcopter: NO! |
| 18:23.39 | iman | what is the best yahoo chat client in linux ? |
| 18:23.46 | Psi-Jack | iman: What do you prefer? |
| 18:23.51 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Surely the existence of the Debian KDE and Gnome installers means there isn't a "default" :) |
| 18:24.03 | iman | Psi-Jack, I am beginner :( |
| 18:24.07 | Justin | rotflcopter: you make ONE raid array with the 5 disks. you make ONE encrypted disk with ONE password. you put lvm on top of THAT |
| 18:24.15 | jelly-home | PerfDave: nope, sorry |
| 18:24.22 | Sevet | na_klar: the policy |
| 18:24.35 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 18:24.37 | Psi-Jack | iman: Then you still should know "best" is an opinion only you can decide upon. |
| 18:24.42 | rotflcopter | but still storing raid information on disks |
| 18:24.58 | monstaRtruck | i am all fixed guys |
| 18:25.00 | Sevet | but doing it as the last rule would do too. packets are checked against each rule, if they match do the action, if not move onto the next rule. accept/drop stop processing any further |
| 18:25.10 | monstaRtruck | wheeeepeeeee |
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| 18:25.10 | Sevet | (reject too) |
| 18:25.24 | iman | Psi-Jack, I try pidgin but it wouldn't to keep me |
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| 18:26.19 | Justin | rotflcopter: where else would you store it? |
| 18:26.46 | rotflcopter | Justin<< i was thinking about storing raid information on the encrypted volumes |
| 18:26.55 | khaleel5000 | jelly-home: on pae, kbuild thanks. |
| 18:26.58 | Na_Klar | sevet, I see |
| 18:27.03 | Justin | rotflcopter: NO. you store the encrypted volumes on the raid array |
| 18:27.06 | Sevet | plenty more targets than that really which the iptables manpage explains, but that's the basics of it |
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| 18:33.25 | Na_Klar | When I ACCEPT a port I don't have to mention its --state NEW, do I? |
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| 18:35.35 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar: you don't have to. you can have a stateless firewall just fine. |
| 18:35.41 | gangz | ittle survey : what do you do on Linux guest VM (with Windows host), what's the interest?coz perf are bad. i'm really intrigued, for a Job i understand , but for a user i'm intrigued ... |
| 18:36.24 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, I accepted ESTABLISHED,RELATED for INPUT before |
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| 18:36.45 | Na_Klar | so on all ports |
| 18:37.01 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar: ok, then it should work if you place the rule further down the chain |
| 18:37.12 | PerfDave | gangz: "Perf are bad"? |
| 18:37.19 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, you mean with NEW or w/o NEW state? |
| 18:37.46 | PerfDave | I run Windows at work, with a Backtrack Linux VM on it for penetration testing |
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| 18:38.41 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar: if you accept ESTABLISHED,RELATED and then accept packets in any "state" on that port (that is, without the state match in the rule), it should work |
| 18:38.57 | Sevet | na_klar: only mention it if you want to check for it. if you've already accepted established/related then you can check what's left without checking the state |
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| 18:39.23 | jelly-home | Perf so bad. |
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| 18:39.26 | Sevet | at that point it'll only be NEW or INVALID |
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| 18:39.47 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 18:39.50 | seikenjodan | witam. Jak przejsc z localtime na utc i odwrotnie ? |
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| 18:40.04 | jelly-home | !pl |
| 18:40.05 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 18:40.12 | Sevet | using --state on a rule only affects that rule. all other rules can choose whether to use it or not, it won't matter |
| 18:40.25 | Sevet | you don't have to use it on everything just where you need it |
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| 18:40.48 | Na_Klar | Sevet, that configuration works perfectly for me. If you do not mind you could look over it. Maybe there is something you would think is worth to notice: http://codepad.org/g2fB91Dp |
| 18:41.39 | gangz | not you Perf ^^ , no i mean the performances are not really similar that an host system |
| 18:41.53 | Sevet | na_klar: there's no policy. there's always a policy so you may as well pick it. drop would be most secure if you're doing block by default. |
| 18:42.00 | seikenjodan | how to change localtime to UTC and UTC to localtime ? |
| 18:42.15 | Sevet | you can omit the '-m state --state NEW', it's extra processing that'll have little effect |
| 18:42.41 | Na_Klar | sevet, though there is no policy, it works as expected. Requests on other ports than the accepted are rejected |
| 18:42.52 | PerfDave | gangz: In what way not similar? |
| 18:43.11 | Sevet | other than that looks fine |
| 18:43.30 | Na_Klar | k |
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| 18:45.28 | Na_Klar | sevet, I think the --state NEW pram could be wise for ssh. It can help avoiding brute-force attacs |
| 18:45.38 | gangz | PerfDave : maybe for a big server it's similar, but a normal user, on normal laptop (core i7 for example) , it's slightly more slow on guest ? i don't want offend you ^^ |
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| 18:46.57 | PerfDave | gangz: With good VM software, and hardware accellerated virtualisation (which core i7 supports) there's not much performance difference in terms of CPU speed certainly; disk speed might be an issue on a Windows host, I don't know. |
| 18:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: For brute force attacks you need to use the throttling feature. I set mine for 3 connections in 3 seconds. |
| 18:48.09 | gangz | which good VM software for instance ? |
| 18:48.26 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_lt, throttling is part of which package? |
| 18:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: What's interesting is that it not only stops ongoing attacks, but reduces the overall number of attacks as botnets decide your ip isn't worth the effort. |
| 18:48.39 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: It's part of the kernel's iptables. |
| 18:48.56 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_lt, oh interessting, how do i configure it? |
| 18:49.03 | Na_Klar | or where can i read about |
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| 18:49.13 | Papierkorb | hello |
| 18:49.23 | thewanderer1 | gangz: I've yet to see a decent virtual machine hypervisor for Windows. every single one has its quirks. if you want to deploy Linux VM's in production, you just don't do it on Windows. |
| 18:49.50 | PerfDave | gangz: I'm not that experienced with VM software on Windows hosts TBH. I run a single GUI GNU/Linux VM on a Windows host, and it's perfectly adequate. |
| 18:49.56 | Papierkorb | i've just installed Debian Squeeze and i need Qt 4.7, but apt-get only has 4.6 .. is there some backport available? |
| 18:50.02 | PerfDave | gangz: I can't help but feel that your questions are offtopic for #debian though :) |
| 18:50.03 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ - or follow the links to Ranch's home page where he does Trinity Linux hardening. |
| 18:50.35 | Na_Klar | ty |
| 18:50.37 | architek | Na_Klar: you could also lock down the outgoing to do whitelisting for NEW connections. it can help ;) |
| 18:51.30 | Na_Klar | architek, i do that for ssh, but for http it maybe extra processing with less effect, as sevet said |
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| 18:52.25 | gangz | thewanderer1 : it's not for a big Production , it's just for me ... :) |
| 18:52.29 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: Something like -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m limit --limit 3/min --limit-burst 3 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:52.36 | architek | Na_Klar: as you want. i haven't read what you intend to put on the server but having a scriptkiddie own php and use wget to get the rest or an ssi, this will slow him down.. |
| 18:52.40 | thewanderer1 | gangz: then don't worry about performance at all :P |
| 18:52.58 | Sevet | na_klar: NEW on ssh won't help stop brute force attacks |
| 18:53.02 | themill | Papierkorb: no. Qt 4.7 is in wheezy and sid. You can either work in a wheezy chroot or upgrade to wheezy. (btw why 4.7?) |
| 18:53.22 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_lt, yea i thought of that limit before .. reading now about it |
| 18:53.28 | Papierkorb | themill: because 4.7 has some new stuff i use |
| 18:53.31 | Na_Klar | sevet, because every new attempt will be NEW? |
| 18:53.32 | Sevet | all new connections would show as NEW, they wouldn't be INVALID (that would just means the conntrack module didn't think it was a valid ssh packet) |
| 18:53.41 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: It's been very effective for me. |
| 18:53.42 | Sevet | you'd want to look at the rate limit feature for that |
| 18:53.52 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_lt, sounds wise |
| 18:54.17 | Sevet | sorry, i see jhutchins_lt already showed you that |
| 18:54.38 | Na_Klar | yea |
| 18:54.47 | Sevet | irc client hadn't scrolled down :) |
| 18:54.51 | gangz | thewanderer1:do you use virtualisation only for your work purpose ? |
| 18:55.17 | thewanderer1 | gangz: I host about 10 virtual machines on KVM and they're doing just fine (Debian host/guest) |
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| 18:55.20 | GNU\colossus | hmmm |
| 18:55.36 | GNU\colossus | is it possible that the "lzop" package in debian is effectively unmaintained? |
| 18:55.50 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_lt, what does -m tcp do? |
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| 18:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | Na_Klar: I used to build my firewalls from Ranch's scripts directly setting the rules, but these days I use shorewall because it makes it easy to quickly blacklist a rogue IP. |
| 18:56.26 | Na_Klar | ic |
| 18:57.18 | themill | GNU\colossus: it's had two uploads this year and the maintainer has done lots of other uploads. Why? |
| 18:58.37 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_lt, *lol* setting --limit 3/min for ssh did give me 5 attempts before refusing .. how come? |
| 18:58.41 | GNU\colossus | ah my bad, I looked at the library's version instead of that of the cli tool. |
| 18:58.47 | GNU\colossus | sorry for causing any confusion :) |
| 18:58.56 | themill | :) |
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| 19:08.44 | zorb | hi guys, i have a problem : my scripts in /etc/cron.d/ arn't executed, ideas? |
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| 19:09.40 | thewanderer1 | zorb: cron.d is not for scripts, cron.d is for *crontabs* |
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| 19:10.33 | zorb | thewanderer1: sorry, yes i have a crontab files there and thy arn't triggered |
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| 19:11.12 | themill | zorb: what filenames do they have? |
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| 19:11.41 | zorb | thewanderer1: files are 777 and containing lines like "00 3 * * * root /InternalStorage/PloneRepository/scripts/ploneBackup.sh day" |
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| 19:12.20 | zorb | thewanderer1: one files names "ploneBackup" |
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| 19:13.13 | thewanderer1 | zorb: see cron logs |
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| 19:14.16 | zorb | where to tind them? nothing in /var/log/ .. |
| 19:15.03 | zorb | ok found in syslog |
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| 19:16.18 | lapsusbrutus | crap crap crap, I did a mistake.. a major one, anyone can give me hints where/how to get files back? I downloaded a torrent with Transmission. I had two virtually equal torents in progress, I deleted one of them, and the files of the other one dissappeared. Anyone have a good idea how to undelete them easily? |
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| 19:17.06 | Na_Klar | lapsusbrutus, you can use testdisk for trying restoring deleted files |
| 19:17.13 | zorb | thewanderer1: in syslog no trace of files from /etc/cron.d/ only from the /etc/crontab file |
| 19:18.08 | lapsusbrutus | hmm, ill look into that, as long as I dont write to the disk I guess thats going to work |
| 19:18.13 | zorb | thewanderer1: it is strange i have the same setup on a Etch and the cron files in cron.d are executed |
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| 19:18.26 | themill | zorb: get rid of that capital B |
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| 19:21.14 | zorb | themill: ill try but .. there is another cron task named with no capital leters and also that isn't executed |
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| 19:24.00 | themill | it's unlikely that you're using cron with -l so it's probably not an issue anyway. mode 777 might be though. I'd hope cron would ignore such files, personally. |
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| 19:24.32 | totte | If I add "DenyUsers blargh" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config - blargh will still be prompted for password when trying to access the server, is this intended? Shouldn't blargh get some message, like "Sorry, no can do"? |
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| 19:25.51 | zorb | themill: yes files are 777 |
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| 19:27.23 | zorb | there is might be some lines in /etc/crontab trigger files from the cron.d folder or they are triggered automaticly? |
| 19:27.27 | architek | totte: it could be used as an information leak to discover all your denyusers? |
| 19:27.49 | jhutchins | Interesting, pkill pp kills my lenny kde desktop. |
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| 19:31.10 | totte | architek: Ahh, cool, didn't think of that. Thanks. |
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| 19:35.51 | Caelum | why does the kernel pass -mno-sse to gcc when I choose atom as the processor? |
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| 19:37.05 | jelly-home | ask the kernel people? |
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| 19:38.08 | jelly-home | perhaps they're saving xmm registers for specific usage and only enable if for some bits |
| 19:38.29 | jelly-home | or gcc is buggy and kernel makefiles are working around it |
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| 19:39.17 | Caelum | just thought he configured something wrong |
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| 19:40.07 | jelly-home | nah, there's all sorts of weird specific tuneups in kernel |
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| 19:42.35 | jelly-home | Caelum: a naive google search results in eg. http://markmail.org/message/jdyihwlynglnjqyw#query:+page:1+mid:7snqntpiroekutex+state:results |
| 19:43.07 | jelly-home | oops, that's freebsd :-) |
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| 19:44.23 | kert | pirates on freenode are fake |
| 19:44.30 | jelly-home | but I bet it's something similar |
| 19:44.34 | kert | pirates on freenode are fake |
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| 19:44.39 | jelly-home | !ops kert |
| 19:44.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: kert |
| 19:44.42 | xeviox | hi, I've created a chroot environment for ssh with makejail, how can I start it? |
| 19:44.43 | kert | pirates on freenode are fake |
| 19:45.12 | jnix | afternoon #debian |
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| 19:45.30 | jelly-home | evening jnix |
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| 19:46.09 | schorem | hi all |
| 19:46.16 | xeviox | reason is that I want run gitolite with a chrooted ssh |
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| 19:46.27 | schorem | does anyone know a nice lightweight twitter client for squeeze |
| 19:46.58 | xeviox | I used this tutorial: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html (G.2.2) |
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| 19:47.17 | xeviox | but there is no info on how to start the sshd daemon in chroot |
| 19:47.59 | jnix | so is debian 6 using the /etc/$ldapdir/slapd.d setup? |
| 19:48.01 | jnix | by default* |
| 19:48.23 | jnix | trying to teach myself openldap |
| 19:48.48 | mentor | ! tell schorem about search |
| 19:49.27 | schorem | @mentor: i did a search, but smuxi doesn't work under sqeeze |
| 19:49.49 | gimpy0138 | jnix: Good luck with that, oldap is a pain. #openldap might be helpful. |
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| 19:50.16 | jnix | i've got the openldap administrator's guide, looks like a serious pain in the neck |
| 19:50.28 | mentor | schorem: Er, "doesn't work"? |
| 19:50.34 | mentor | Does that mean, isn't in? |
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| 19:51.10 | schorem | it is in backports, but connecting to twitter isn't allowed by twitter |
| 19:51.30 | schorem | and there is no help available, the bug isn't solved yet |
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| 19:53.50 | architek | xeviox: openssh 5.9 introduced "UsePrivilegeSeparation=sandbox" see http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-5.9. but its only in wheezy. dunno for backports |
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| 19:55.50 | ubuntu_ | I just installed Debian 6 lxde ...Is there a way to install Network Manager after installing the OS? |
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| 19:56.33 | architek | xeviox: err how to start the daemon is the first line of the chapter :) |
| 19:56.51 | xeviox | architek: thanks, but I want to run sshd in the chroot to let another sshd run outside it (on a different port) |
| 19:56.56 | xeviox | architek: ah ok, thanks :D |
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| 19:57.23 | ubuntu_ | I am atm in Lubuntu live CD mode |
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| 19:58.24 | architek | I thought p.d.o was listing also package versions in backports. doesn't look like |
| 19:59.46 | ubuntu_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.54 | themill | ubuntu_: aptitude install network-manager; you probably want some sort of front-end to it too though |
| 20:01.39 | ubuntu_ | themill, But I need a working internet connection to do that |
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| 20:01.49 | ubuntu_ | I use mobile BB |
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| 20:03.01 | ubuntu_ | themill, Any hope ? |
| 20:03.05 | qrq | How halt alsa? |
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| 20:03.25 | qrq | I mean in terminal |
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| 20:03.42 | Justin | !wayttd qrq |
| 20:03.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, qrq? |
| 20:03.42 | qrq | By command :D |
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| 20:04.04 | qrq | I want to check if application seg fault is made by sound server. |
| 20:04.18 | Justin | qrq: alsa is not a sound server |
| 20:04.26 | qrq | Whatever. |
| 20:04.31 | qrq | :) |
| 20:05.00 | themill | ubuntu_: you could chroot into your debian install and then run that command |
| 20:05.02 | qrq | So? |
| 20:05.44 | qrq | How stop alsa? |
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| 20:06.14 | ubuntu_ | themill, BRB |
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| 20:06.46 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I infer that he doesn't have the network connection set up yet. |
| 20:07.04 | qrq | > /etc/init.d/alsa-utils ? |
| 20:07.05 | architek | man interfaces? :) |
| 20:07.20 | themill | jhutchins_lt: he clearly does, however. |
| 20:07.24 | jhutchins_lt | architek: mobile broadband - he probably needs some specialsteps. |
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| 20:08.04 | jhutchins_lt | [15:01] <ubuntu_> themill, But I need a working internet connection to do that |
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| 20:08.34 | architek | yes but he in in lubuntu live cd talking to us so chroot could be an option |
| 20:08.35 | themill | jhutchins_lt: [21:05] <themill> ubuntu_: you could chroot into your debian install and then run that command |
| 20:09.06 | jhutchins_lt | Assuming it's on the same system, yes, I suppose he could. |
| 20:09.07 | qrq | Its not alsa issue :P |
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| 20:19.06 | sunkan | I updated a laptop with a BCM4312 wireless card, and as soon as it authenticates to the AP the laptop freezes without any other kernel output that I can see. |
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| 20:19.46 | sunkan | My first thought is to just revert the updated kernel, but how do I do that? I don't have the old .dpkg file(s) in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:23.36 | Bushmills | sunkan: 2.6.32-5 kernel? |
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| 20:24.06 | sunkan | Yes, I had 2.6.32-31 according to /var/log/aptitude |
| 20:24.52 | sunkan | But I don't know where to download it now when -38 is the current one. |
| 20:25.29 | Bushmills | that 2.6.32-31 kernel is the last kernel working reliably with bcm4312 here |
| 20:26.17 | Bushmills | sorry, i lie. bcm4313 it is |
| 20:26.17 | sunkan | Oh, really.. Well then I guess that my issue will be resolved if I revert then.. |
| 20:26.41 | sunkan | Ok.. But I guess it's the same 'b43' driver yes? |
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| 20:27.06 | Bushmills | Kernel driver in use: brcmsmac |
| 20:27.20 | sunkan | I see.. |
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| 20:30.17 | sunkan | I know old dists can be found at archive.debian.org, but I can't find the older kernel versions from squeeze. Are they stored somewhere public? |
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| 20:32.34 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 20:32.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 20:33.07 | Sevet | through the debian/patches directory of a package, is it possible to delete a file from the original source? |
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| 20:40.05 | somiaj | Sevet: create a diff which compares the file with /dev/null or some empty file. |
| 20:40.36 | somiaj | the man page for patch says look at GNU diff's -N or --new-file option |
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| 20:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | !snapshot |
| 20:44.26 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:44.46 | shrine00 | hello, how can i make my apache run on tcp4 instead of tcp6 ? tcp6 0 0 :::80 <- seems like ipv6 is intefering somehow with my services |
| 20:45.31 | ompaul | shrine00: eh you want to disable your ipv6 then? |
| 20:45.33 | dondelelcaro | shrine00: it's listening on both ipv4 and ipv6 interfaces by default |
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| 20:45.47 | sunkan | Thanks, I must have missed the snapshot archive.. Will try the older kernel to see if that fixes the problem now.. |
| 20:46.00 | shrine00 | yes i want to disable ipv6 completly but not even sure that it is on cause lsmod | grep ipv6 doesnt states anything about it |
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| 20:46.07 | dondelelcaro | shrine00: why? |
| 20:46.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell shrine00 -about noipv6 |
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| 20:46.47 | shrine00 | dondelelcaro 80 is not listened on tcp4 for some reason netstat -pant | grep 80 not showing tcp |
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| 20:47.13 | Guest9608 | How to enable DHCP on eth0 ? |
| 20:47.16 | dondelelcaro | shrine00: sure, but :::80 is port 80 on both ipv6 and ipv4 by default. |
| 20:47.30 | cantido | Guest9608: do you want it to survive reboot? |
| 20:47.36 | Dagger3 | by default a program can listen on [::]:80 and will be able to accept connections on both v4 and v6 |
| 20:48.03 | shrine00 | dondelelcaro so this line: tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 8173/apache2 means it listens on tcp4 and 6 ? |
| 20:48.24 | shrine00 | i thaught ::: means all addresses |
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| 20:49.11 | dondelelcaro | shrine00: yes. |
| 20:49.19 | dondelelcaro | :: means all zeros. |
| 20:49.31 | shrine00 | yes to it listens on tcp4 also ? |
| 20:49.35 | dondelelcaro | shrine00: by default, yes. |
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| 20:52.33 | s_chng | hello |
| 20:52.48 | s_chng | i am trying to install 6.0.3 and and i get an error when choosing a mirror |
| 20:52.58 | s_chng | "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" |
| 20:53.05 | s_chng | thie happens regardless of the mirror I choose |
| 20:53.09 | rotflcopter | is there a device layer for linux that is equivalent to zfs's raid-z2 ? |
| 20:53.31 | s_chng | has anyone seen this before? |
| 20:53.34 | ompaul | s_chng: put your /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.debian.net |
| 20:53.36 | Dagger3 | rotflcopter: no, but mdadm's raid6 support comes close |
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| 20:53.57 | Dagger3 | (or you could use zfs-fuse or zfsonlinux.org's in-kernel modules) |
| 20:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: Does that apply on initial install as well? |
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| 20:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | s_chng: What installer are you using? |
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| 20:54.46 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: I'd be guessing upgrade |
| 20:54.50 | ompaul | but that is just me |
| 20:54.54 | rotflcopter | Dagger3<< that would be cool to mak it native, but thats not complete yet :( |
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| 20:55.20 | s_chng | jhutchins_lt: just the regular installer |
| 20:55.23 | s_chng | ? |
| 20:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | netinstall? DVD1? USB? |
| 20:55.45 | s_chng | ah, netinst |
| 20:55.52 | s_chng | burned to a cd |
| 20:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | s_chng: Does that ask you which version you want to install? |
| 20:56.20 | s_chng | ompaul: looking for sources.list, it's not in /etc/apt/ |
| 20:56.26 | s_chng | jhutchins_lt: no, it doesnt |
| 20:56.39 | ompaul | s_chng: ok abandon my idea |
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| 20:57.17 | Dagger3 | rotflcopter: it does work though (but using it for / is probably painful and fragile at the moment) |
| 20:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: We had someone who had the same problem with "wheezy" a few hours ago, I wonder if something is strange on the mirrors and it expects "stable" instead of "squeeze". |
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| 20:57.41 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 20:57.42 | s_chng | jhutchins_lt: that was me :) |
| 20:57.51 | Dagger3 | I'm literally right in the middle of reformatting my VM server to use zfsonlinux.org's kernel ZFS for VM storage |
| 20:58.05 | s_chng | and someone told me to try 6.0.3, 6.0.3 isnt "stable"? |
| 20:58.12 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: does netinstall support uname -a on boot |
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| 20:58.30 | ompaul | s_chng: someone is wrong, where did you download from? |
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| 20:58.35 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: Haven't seen it enough to know. |
| 20:58.55 | Sevet | s_chng: stable is squeeze which is 6.* |
| 20:59.16 | jhutchins_lt | misses building dozens of systems every week. |
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| 20:59.59 | s_chng | ompaul: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:00.13 | sunkan | I have now verified that the old kernel I was running (2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-31) does not hang the laptop like -38 does.. Thanks for the tip on snapshot.debian.org |
| 21:00.21 | babilen | s_chng: 6.0.3 has been released not long ago, but you are (AFAIK) the only person with that particular problem. I'll dive into the internets and see if I can find other reports about that. Which installer are you using? (graphical/text/expert/graphical expert) |
| 21:00.32 | jhutchins_lt | sunkan: Yay! |
| 21:00.36 | s_chng | babilen: text |
| 21:00.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 21:00.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 21:01.20 | babilen | s_chng: Could you also try the expert installer? (just to make sure) -- Does this happen with multiple mirrors (like before? which?) or just with a single one? |
| 21:01.39 | ompaul | s_chng: try a different country as your setting |
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| 21:02.04 | s_chng | babilen: yes, happens with every mirror, will try expert installer |
| 21:02.38 | s_chng | ompaul: tried with a few other countries and get the same error |
| 21:02.48 | babilen | s_chng: Ok, just checking |
| 21:03.39 | ompaul | s_chng: iwhat chipset ? |
| 21:03.50 | s_chng | babilen: from my searches it seems like some people had the same problem with squeeze when it was in testing |
| 21:03.51 | ompaul | amd64 or i386 or something else? |
| 21:03.56 | s_chng | ompaul: amd64 |
| 21:03.59 | ompaul | thank ou |
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| 21:04.01 | ompaul | you |
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| 21:05.04 | babilen | s_chng: You are trying to install squeeze aren't you? Which mirrors did you try? That really sounds like a mirror specific issue, but I would be surprised if that affects huge number of primary mirrors. |
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| 21:06.03 | s_chng | babilen: yes it does sound like a mirror issue, but i tried most of them, in order, starting with the first one ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 21:06.50 | jon__ | hey im trying to compile ndiswrapper and im getting errors im on a pc with low ram so i cant paste bin the error but ill type it out here |
| 21:07.15 | babilen | s_chng: Are you trying ftp or http? |
| 21:07.29 | babilen | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 21:07.56 | babilen | Looks like some major ftp fuckup -- Not sure what error 1 is though |
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| 21:08.30 | jon__ | [/jon/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper/driver/crt.co] error 2 [_modules_/jon/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper/driver] error 2 [sub-make] error 2 [all] error 2 |
| 21:08.31 | babilen | s_chng: I am hoping now that you only tried ftp and that http works ;) |
| 21:08.55 | s_chng | babilen: the installer seems to be trying with http actually :( |
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| 21:09.02 | notslad | is there any documentation on the linuxrc parameters for the debian net install image? I want to point the installer to a local mirror through a kernel parameter (or some other hands-off installation way) |
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| 21:09.36 | babilen | s_chng: grrr |
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| 21:10.03 | s_chng | babilen: DEBUG: command: wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release -0 - | grep -E '(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 21:10.14 | s_chng | that's what gets printed |
| 21:10.20 | babilen | thanks |
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| 21:11.28 | babilen | s_chng: I can retrieve that file quite fine. What happens if you run that command in one of the busybox shells? |
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| 21:12.10 | babilen | s_chng: That is, try "wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release" and take a look at it or run "grep -E '(Suite|Codename):' Release" |
| 21:12.27 | babilen | brb |
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| 21:13.41 | s_chng | babilen: trying that |
| 21:13.56 | jon__ | any one l |
| 21:14.15 | jon__ | it was telling me i cant type here earlier |
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| 21:15.12 | s_chng | babilen: arg i figured it out |
| 21:15.21 | jon__ | anyone =[ |
| 21:15.44 | s_chng | babilen: my university is redirecting me so im not actually getting to the mirror |
| 21:15.56 | thewanderer1 | heh, stupid captive portals |
| 21:16.05 | s_chng | i'm an idiot |
| 21:16.09 | s_chng | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 21:19.23 | babilen | s_chng: I suspected that |
| 21:20.01 | s_chng | babilen: yeah it was weird that every mirror wasnt working, thanks for all the help |
| 21:20.13 | babilen | s_chng: Well, good that we figured it out. I guess that you are redirected to one of those stupid login pages? |
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| 21:22.55 | notslad | any idea how I can automatically specify a local mirror for a debian install? some linuxrc paramater, maybe? |
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| 21:24.05 | karlpinc | notslad: Preseeding will do it. See the install manual. It may have another option as well. |
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| 21:24.25 | notslad | looks up preseeding |
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| 21:25.00 | notslad | karlpinc: I had seen a "preseeding/url=" paramater.. will debian play nice if I don't provide a preseeded answer to all of it's questions? |
| 21:25.55 | karlpinc | notslad: I don't know, but it makes sense to me to be allowed to only preseed some answers. |
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| 21:26.29 | s_chng | babilen: yes, that's exactly what's happening |
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| 21:26.57 | qwd | Which way would you recommend for getting updated Iceweasel in Debian Squeeze on PPC? I'm guessing mozilla.debian.net doesn't work with PPC? |
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| 21:27.45 | babilen | s_chng: It might work if you login via a live cd (so it registers the MAC address of your NIC) or do you have to login every single time? You could also spoof the MAC address on another computer with macchanger. |
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| 21:28.21 | babilen | s_chng: Or you could just download CD1/DVD1 and install from that, or go somewhere else, or ... |
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| 21:29.04 | themill | qwd: getting the source package from mozilla.d.n and then compiling it would work |
| 21:29.10 | notslad | karlpinc: I'll go with that, then :^) |
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| 21:32.22 | qwd | themill: would apt-pinning be easier? I haven't compiled anything in ages, don't even remember how to, so trying to explain that to someone else seems a bit complicated. |
| 21:33.30 | themill | qwd: I doubt pinning will work well. "/msg dpkg ssb" and use mozilla.d.n in the deb-src line |
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| 21:36.28 | qwd | themill: thanks, I think I'll wait until I have the laptop here so I can do it myself, but now I know where to start. |
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| 21:51.32 | s_chng | babilen: i managed to get around it by spoofing the mac on my laptop, logging in, and then plugging in the cable into the computer im trying to install on |
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| 21:52.26 | babilen | s_chng: yes! evil hacker! |
| 21:52.39 | babilen | s_chng: congratulations though |
| 21:53.11 | s_chng | babilen: heh, thanks |
| 21:53.56 | Sevet | s_chng: you could also try something like this from /etc/network/if-up.d: http://dave.frop.net/automatically_login_wifi_captive_portal_perl_and_wwwmechanize |
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| 21:54.15 | Sevet | of course that script'll need to be customised for your uni's portal |
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| 21:58.00 | jham | hmm.. www:mechanize looks nice |
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| 21:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | Sevet: Also a bit tough to do on the installer. |
| 22:00.23 | jhutchins_lt | I've been able to get around some portals by just using an alternative DNS server. |
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| 22:02.35 | dokma | are there any workout tracking apps in the repos? |
| 22:03.21 | architek | www:mechanize is nice but for this simple task a simple curl is sufficient: curl -s -F "username=myuser" -F "password=mypass" http://ip/login.html |
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| 22:04.26 | architek | hum unless then first get receives a session id propagated to the form |
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| 22:08.35 | architek | so starkbucks is so insecure to send a user/pass in clear text? nice. |
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| 22:10.10 | Jef91 | I'm using Debian squeeze on an ARMEL based system and the package "gconf2" keepings giving me "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 247" and failing to install. |
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| 22:11.08 | s_chng | jhutchins_lt: difference dns server is a good idea |
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| 22:12.39 | architek | Jef91: you could try to find the problem by looking in the postinst script /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst. You can also run it with sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst to find out the problem |
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| 22:15.45 | ice799 | Is there a way to tell apt when running an apt-get install BLAH to not overwrite a conflicting file in the file system? |
| 22:16.14 | ice799 | I.e., I have a modified /etc/blah.conf, the BLAH package includes a /etc/blah.conf, but i want to keep my own, automatically. |
| 22:16.31 | Jef91 | architek "sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst" ran without errors however the package is sitll failing to configure |
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| 22:16.43 | IRConan | afaik it should do that anyway ice799 |
| 22:17.04 | scwizard | I ended up with a minimal install. Now I can download and install new packages just fine, but I don't have ifconfig |
| 22:17.11 | scwizard | how do I install ifconfig? |
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| 22:17.34 | themill | scwizard: it's in /sbin |
| 22:17.34 | Jef91 | sudo apt-get install ifconfig |
| 22:17.45 | PerfDave | Jef91: No :) |
| 22:17.50 | PerfDave | ifconfig is in the net-tools packag |
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| 22:18.03 | Jef91 | any other ideas on my gconf problem? |
| 22:18.06 | scwizard | oh sbin was off the path O_o |
| 22:18.08 | scwizard | well ok then |
| 22:18.14 | scwizard | I know how to fix that |
| 22:18.15 | Jef91 | Not used to this type of issues in Debian :( |
| 22:18.43 | themill | Jef91: can you pastebin the entire output of "aptitude -f install"? |
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| 22:19.05 | PerfDave | scwizard: You probably don't want /sbin in a non-root user's path, it's not very useful :) |
| 22:19.09 | Jef91 | themill - http://pastebin.com/xXvJpMJD |
| 22:19.50 | scwizard | fsck? reboot? ifconfig? |
| 22:19.59 | scwizard | I think I'll put it in my sudoer's path :/ |
| 22:20.03 | Jef91 | themaill does that output show the issue OK or would you like apptitude as well? |
| 22:20.44 | themill | Jef91: that's probably the same information. And not helpful, unfortunately. Perhaps stick a "set -x" at the top of that postinst and try again. |
| 22:21.11 | themill | scwizard: none of those commands are particularly useful without root privileges, hence them not being in your PATH by default. |
| 22:21.27 | Jef91 | should I remove the "set -e" or just add the set -x after/before it themill? |
| 22:21.40 | themill | add it |
| 22:21.41 | scwizard | meh, I'd rather be told "you gotta be sudo" then "lol ifconfig not found" |
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| 22:22.42 | Jef91 | themill - http://pastebin.com/4hrvm0DM |
| 22:22.53 | PerfDave | Stuff like iptables gives very confusing output if run as non-privileged user |
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| 22:24.12 | themill | why is gconf always so speshul.... |
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| 22:24.49 | Jef91 | >.< |
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| 22:26.01 | themill | Jef91: does it take ages to complete that configure step? |
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| 22:26.12 | Jef91 | not too long |
| 22:26.15 | Jef91 | about an average time |
| 22:26.20 | Jef91 | Its a semi slow ARM box |
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| 22:28.12 | Jef91 | what does error exit status 247 even mean? Been searching online but can't find anything |
| 22:28.48 | themill | "gconf is off sulking" probably |
| 22:29.18 | Jef91 | >.< |
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| 22:30.57 | themill | Anselme: stop IRCing as root |
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| 22:34.33 | m0ntra | #flood |
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| 22:35.19 | Jef91 | meh |
| 22:35.28 | Jef91 | just fired off a message to the ARM mailing list |
| 22:35.30 | m0ntra | merp |
| 22:35.44 | Jef91 | hopefully someone there will have some idea why gconf2 is being flipping stupid |
| 22:35.45 | themill | Jef91: there are two bugs in the bts about this postinst script hanging at this point, but nothing about it failing like this. |
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| 22:36.07 | themill | !dbugs 614717 |
| 22:36.11 | dpkg | #614717:G[gconf2] Installation hangs at 'gconf-schemas --register-all --no-signal' (); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:45:02 UTC [] |
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| 22:38.02 | Jef91 | :( |
| 22:38.09 | Jef91 | any other ideas on a work around to get it installed? |
| 22:38.49 | themill | Jef91: you could add "exit 0" to the top of that postinst. That will let apt think that it was successfully completed, but whether any gconf-using package would actually work properly or not is another matter. |
| 22:40.17 | Jef91 | sounds good |
| 22:40.21 | Jef91 | thanks for the hack around themill |
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| 22:42.14 | themill | Jef91: the maintainer might be interested in your situation too since this seems hard to debug. Running that actual gconf-schemas command from the terminal or under a debugger might provide useful information. |
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| 23:09.50 | scwizard | in man pages my up and down arrows don't work and colors don't appear |
| 23:11.04 | petemc | scwizard: PAGER=most man foo |
| 23:11.13 | petemc | you may need to install most first |
| 23:12.11 | scwizard | "Unknown terminal: putty" u_u |
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| 23:12.57 | scwizard | its fine I'll just pretend to be xterm like I always do u_u |
| 23:13.14 | scwizard | thanks petemc, that did the trick |
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| 23:15.36 | petemc | np |
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| 23:25.07 | Acony | I need to update my debian installation since I have some testing version, and it is old |
| 23:25.41 | Acony | very old, I am not sure, how to check which one do I have, so I need hints, how to update to latest version / |
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| 23:26.52 | th0r | Acony: uname -a or uname -d might be a good place to start |
| 23:28.07 | Acony | Linux acony 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 06:32:16 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:28.44 | Acony | th0r, I don't see nothing from that output, I tried that before :D |
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| 23:30.18 | th0r | Acony: sorry....try lsb_release -d |
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| 23:30.33 | Acony | Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable |
| 23:30.49 | Acony | th0r, nothing useful again |
| 23:30.53 | th0r | Acony: well....that wasn't much help <smile> |
| 23:31.19 | acu | I have a 250 GB HDD /dev/sdb and I have two partitions /dev/sdb1 (100 MB Bootable NTFS) and /dev/sdb2 the remaining is Free 224 GB - I want to dd only sdb1 and sdb2 not the empty space - is that possible - can I dd it in a partition of another disk ( I have 66 GB available in a Free Partition) - |
| 23:31.26 | Acony | aleksandar@acony:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:31.26 | Acony | squeeze/sid |
| 23:31.32 | Acony | well here we are |
| 23:31.38 | Acony | so it is squeeze/sid |
| 23:31.45 | petemc | Acony: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:31.46 | Acony | testing unstable |
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| 23:32.15 | acu | maybe my message was too contorted |
| 23:32.16 | Acony | petemc, ii libc6 2.11.2-6 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:32.27 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 23:32.27 | petemc | ,versions libc6 |
| 23:32.29 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 23:32.30 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 23:32.40 | acu | I want to dd two partitions in one - well - I want to make that a virtual machine |
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| 23:34.08 | acu | !dd |
| 23:34.08 | dpkg | from memory, dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 23:34.47 | Acony | so, what should i do to get the latest version on my machine ? |
| 23:35.51 | petemc | Acony: does /etc/apt/sources.list mention squeeze or testing? |
| 23:36.48 | Acony | petemc, yeap squeeze |
| 23:36.56 | Acony | I don't see testing... |
| 23:37.19 | Acony | here is the output http://pastie.org/2679976 |
| 23:38.08 | petemc | Acony: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade should give you an up to date squeeze |
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| 23:40.14 | acu | guys can I put after if two partitions like dd if=sdb1 if=sdb2 of=sda15 bs=4096 conf=notrunk,noerr ? |
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| 23:41.13 | petemc | acu: i think what you're trying to do has plenty of potential to go wrong |
| 23:41.42 | somiaj | acu: I assume you just want to copy over the file system. If so you can't just append two file systems together and expect a filesystem in return. |
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| 23:42.54 | Acony | petemc, http://pastie.org/2679993 |
| 23:42.56 | acu | somiaj: I do not know exactly how to do it - it is a p2v try - from Windows7 to KVM debian - I guess I need to create an image then copy the two disks there ? |
| 23:43.39 | lotus-blade | what is the difference between 6.0.2 and 6.0.3? |
| 23:43.47 | themill | dpkg: tell lotus-blade about 6.0.3 |
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| 23:44.06 | somiaj | lotus-blade: look up the release notes for the exact differences. Its only bug/security fixes with a small nuber of hardware improvments |
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| 23:44.30 | petemc | Acony: try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 23:45.05 | somiaj | acu: why do you need both partitions? I think that is where your issue is. Even in windows one partition will be called C: and one would be called D: they are seperate file systems. |
| 23:45.42 | Acony | petemc, done, and update is done as well |
| 23:46.05 | acu | somiaj: the 100 MB is the boot partition - the system is in the 25 GB - I wonder if I copy the 25 GB partition it would not boot then I gess |
| 23:46.23 | acu | the 25GB is c: |
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| 23:47.36 | civillian | acu: create 1 virtual disk of appropriate size, giving some room for GB/GiB differences |
| 23:47.47 | scwizard | I have a /usr/bin/java and a /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/java |
| 23:47.51 | civillian | acu: use clonezilla to backup your M$ box to an image |
| 23:47.54 | scwizard | do I want to uninstall the former? |
| 23:47.59 | civillian | acu: restore |
| 23:48.10 | civillian | acu: done |
| 23:48.22 | somiaj | acu: I'm unsure how creating an image of windows7 is, but if you need a whole virtual disk with both a boot and os parttion, you'll have to create a file/image of the right size, put a partition table on it, then copy each partition onto its appropriate part. |
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| 23:48.54 | somiaj | acu: but you won't want to copy both partitions into a single file system like you were trying. |
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| 23:49.21 | obnauticus | does anyone here know how to solve this error? http://pastebin.com/Y2G0eb7u I couldn't find bin/cassini.bin on Debian's firmware wiki page ( http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware ), it 404's. |
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| 23:50.37 | streuner_ | obnauticus: firmware usually lives in /lib/firmware in Debian |
| 23:51.02 | somiaj | obnauticus: using packages.debian.org returns no deban package with that firmware in it. You'll probabaly have to get the firmware from its offical source and as streuner_ said stck it in /lib/firmware |
| 23:51.21 | obnauticus | I found some random cassini.bin, which is probably not working |
| 23:51.27 | somiaj | obnauticus: its also sun/cassini.bin its looking for, not bin/... as you said |
| 23:51.28 | obnauticus | i put it in /lib/firmware/sun/cassini.bin |
| 23:51.38 | streuner_ | thats wrong |
| 23:51.46 | obnauticus | just firmware/cassini.bin? |
| 23:51.56 | streuner_ | /lib/firmware |
| 23:51.59 | obnauticus | k |
| 23:52.04 | obnauticus | what do i do to test this firmware? |
| 23:52.22 | obnauticus | without rebooting |
| 23:52.44 | scwizard | oh |
| 23:52.45 | scwizard | it's an alias |
| 23:54.39 | streuner_ | you have to (just) reload the daemon (/etc/init.d/<whatever it is>) |
| 23:55.37 | streuner_ | i guess its network releated, so just use ifdown <dev> and ifup <dev> |
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| 23:56.22 | streuner_ | (if its supported (FW), it should tell you about in syslog or/and messages) |
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