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| 00:01.54 | acu | can I dd sdb1 and sdb2 to a single .img ? |
| 00:02.12 | acu | they are on a single drive |
| 00:02.57 | robokop | acu: what you want it for |
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| 00:03.26 | robokop | it most likely are two seperate partitions so what meaning would a file with those two appended have? |
| 00:03.51 | acu | robokop: I want to run them as a virtual machine |
| 00:03.53 | acu | kvm |
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| 00:05.51 | robokop | acu using 'kvm -hda sdb1.img -hdb sdb2.img' will be more meaningfull i guess |
| 00:06.21 | lotus-blade | Current status: 0 updates [-96] does this mean upgrade successful? |
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| 00:07.26 | obnauticus | hmm |
| 00:07.35 | obnauticus | streuner_ cassini is loaded, but i do not see any interfaces in ifconfig |
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| 00:07.59 | obnauticus | It's still failing to load the driver despite the fact I placed it in /lib/firmware/cassini.bin, is it possible I do not have the correct binary firmware file? |
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| 00:16.16 | infernix | is anyone aware of a tool that will count traffic between pairs of hosts? |
| 00:17.05 | infernix | i'm using a SPAN port to look at everything and have found plenty of tools that track traffic counts per host, but none that do this with a pair of IPs |
| 00:18.16 | infernix | basically i'm trying to find out which pair of hosts use most traffic on the network. seems quite reasonable but it's apparently not so trivial to find a method to do so |
| 00:18.49 | robokop | iptraf can filter based on source and destination ip's |
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| 00:23.09 | infernix | yeah but that's not going to give me traffic counts based on pairs |
| 00:23.14 | infernix | just on specific ips |
| 00:23.43 | TopJimmy8482 | Wireshark + filter by IP? |
| 00:23.50 | infernix | i'm already filtering a specific set of IPs, now i just need the stats. |
| 00:24.33 | infernix | it needs to aggregate the stats over a week orso, so wireshark isn't really ideal for that |
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| 00:25.00 | infernix | don't need the data itself, just numbers. i guess i'm approaching netflow territory |
| 00:25.01 | robokop | infernix: parse your log file in $scripting_language_of_choice |
| 00:25.24 | infernix | robokop: a week of traffic would fill a good 6TB |
| 00:25.30 | infernix | well maybe 4, but still. |
| 00:25.48 | infernix | not really parseable |
| 00:26.06 | robokop | infernix: rotate every hour orso and do parsing and agregrating then |
| 00:26.29 | infernix | mmh. then i might as well hack ntop or darkstat |
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| 00:31.17 | obnauticus | Does anyone here have a good (i.e., up-to-date) guide of how to use debian as a network gateway with iptables? |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | netfilter.org does |
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| 00:33.10 | obnauticus | abrotman thanks for the man pages? lol. |
| 00:33.21 | nathwill | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 <-- newer article |
| 00:33.29 | obnauticus | yeah, i saw that one |
| 00:33.47 | obnauticus | I'm just trying to come up with a good network map in my head |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | obnauticus: it's a gateway .. how much of a map do you need? |
| 00:34.54 | obnauticus | abrotman I have 4 network interfaces with 1 gateway, this gateway is a royal piece of shit and only lets me map the static IP's which it has been assigned as 1:1 NAT as well |
| 00:35.39 | obnauticus | so I have two NAT's, essentially. There is no escaping this. |
| 00:35.40 | obnauticus | lol |
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| 00:35.52 | abrotman | obnauticus: i'm sorry .. are you trapped in the 90s? |
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| 00:36.01 | obnauticus | abrotman nope, I'm trapped with comcast. |
| 00:36.07 | obnauticus | so...worse. |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | obnauticus: not sure what that has to do with your gateway ... you can use any box you like |
| 00:36.31 | obnauticus | abrotman not if you want static IP addresses |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | takes personal offense to that :) |
| 00:36.55 | g0rs | abrotman: are there proxy servers for irc clients? |
| 00:37.00 | obnauticus | I'm open to any suggestions you have which will accept addresses over DOCSIS provisioned via RIPv2 |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | g0rs: yes .. i don't know about them .. use google |
| 00:37.18 | obnauticus | Until then I'm stuck with this SMC8014 |
| 00:37.18 | obnauticus | lol |
| 00:37.47 | MrFrood | g0rs: search for "irc bouncer" |
| 00:37.57 | g0rs | abrotman: do you know how to get a cloak hostname? |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | obnauticus: that's your modem, not your gateway, right ? |
| 00:38.06 | abrotman | g0rs: ask #freenode .. good luck |
| 00:38.14 | obnauticus | abrotman unfortunately it is both...by force. |
| 00:38.36 | obnauticus | And according to the internets as well as comcast, it's unavoidable if you want any sort of static IP |
| 00:38.36 | obnauticus | lol |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | obnauticus: i don't use a comcast "approved" router .. but i don't have static |
| 00:38.52 | obnauticus | I'm sure there are others out there |
| 00:38.55 | obnauticus | i just dont know what to look for |
| 00:38.59 | g0rs | abrotman: they are offering cloaks but i'm looking to cloak my hostname. it is much better to have something like name@hostname.org |
| 00:39.14 | obnauticus | I want DOCSIS 3, and I think the addresses are provisioned via RIPv2 |
| 00:39.30 | abrotman | don't you have to get a new modem fro that ? |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | g0rs: that's called .. DNS |
| 00:39.56 | obnauticus | abrotman I got this modem this year, this area does have DOCSIS 3, but despite that it is still docsis 1.1/2 |
| 00:39.57 | g0rs | abrotman: does using a dynamic dns service hide ip address? |
| 00:40.02 | abrotman | you can try |
| 00:40.04 | obnauticus | this year, as in less than 2 months ago |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | obnauticus: they keep talking about docsis3 |
| 00:40.26 | obnauticus | they have it in some areas |
| 00:40.30 | obnauticus | this is one of the ares where it is available |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | wonders if obnauticus is his neighbor |
| 00:40.49 | obnauticus | but this modem does not support docsis 3, nor do i even max the physical maximum throughput of my modem |
| 00:41.03 | abaddon | g0rs if you have money you can buy an irc proxy like you said you want |
| 00:41.06 | obnauticus | errr physical maximum throughput of the DOCSIS 2.0 spec** |
| 00:41.21 | obnauticus | which is like 47~55mbps depending on where you live |
| 00:41.34 | obnauticus | but that's just based upon the maximum symbol decoding rate of the CMTS |
| 00:41.41 | g0rs | abaddon: money for irc doesn't make any sense . I'm not really that serious type of nerd :D |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | obnauticus: odd thing about that .. they've done some testing that the 'big ass buffer' they've been promoting for years .. isn't so good |
| 00:41.46 | abaddon | g0rs if not, read on dns, bind in linux, ipv6 tunnel, all search-able keywords |
| 00:42.03 | obnauticus | abrotman buffer? |
| 00:42.14 | abrotman | obnauticus: on the modem .. it affectts your throughput |
| 00:42.17 | abaddon | g0rs so you want a vanity hostname and youre not a nerd? do you have something personal against nerds? |
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| 00:42.24 | g0rs | abaddon: i was looking to hide my domain and ip with something like name@cloakedhostname.org |
| 00:42.26 | obnauticus | abrotman oh, you mean the txrx fifobuffer |
| 00:42.30 | Dionix | so in wheezy where is the xorg.conf? |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | obnauticus: roughly |
| 00:42.34 | obnauticus | it should only affect latency |
| 00:42.38 | Dionix | i need to tell it to use nvidia |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | obnauticus: it affects both |
| 00:42.55 | obnauticus | not necessarily abrotman |
| 00:42.56 | Dionix | but i don't see it in /etc/X11/ anymore i haven't used debian in over a year |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | obnauticus: i could steal the presentation from last month if you like? :) |
| 00:43.25 | obnauticus | i would like to see it |
| 00:43.28 | g0rs | abrotman: not really :P |
| 00:43.33 | obnauticus | if it's anything like the normal RF engineering i deal with |
| 00:43.37 | obnauticus | ll |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | obnauticus: i suspect it's internal only |
| 00:43.42 | obnauticus | i wont tell |
| 00:43.47 | g0rs | abaddon: not really . Sorry abrotman it was abaddon |
| 00:43.48 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:44.03 | obnauticus | I only know a lot about DOCSIS for reasons you probably could only guess |
| 00:44.09 | obnauticus | and no, im not a tech |
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| 00:44.39 | dvs | obnauticus: you invented it? |
| 00:44.47 | obnauticus | yes, that's it. |
| 00:44.48 | obnauticus | lol |
| 00:44.56 | obnauticus | If I invented docsis I'd have to kill myself, sorry. |
| 00:45.05 | abrotman | silly name. . next time you invent something .. give it a cool name |
| 00:45.07 | abrotman | like abrotman |
| 00:45.14 | obnauticus | COCKSIS is my next one |
| 00:45.17 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:45.21 | MrFrood | +1 abrotman |
| 00:45.31 | Dionix | ......... |
| 00:45.54 | obnauticus | I'm actually writing my own digital modulation scheme |
| 00:46.00 | g0rs | abaddon, abrotman: MrFrood suggested www.geekbouncer.co.uk |
| 00:46.01 | obnauticus | I could name it after myself |
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| 00:46.26 | abaddon | lol |
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| 00:46.31 | digitalice | hi |
| 00:46.34 | digitalice | anyone? |
| 00:46.38 | obnauticus | no. |
| 00:46.39 | obnauticus | nobody. |
| 00:46.45 | abaddon | if you will be using that, its like making a statement g0rs :) |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | obnauticus: anyway .. i'm not sure why your router of choice affects your ability to keep a static IP |
| 00:47.04 | obnauticus | abrotman in theory it hidners their ability to provision static's |
| 00:47.12 | Dionix | so can anyone point me to what i need to edit in order to tell x what driver to use? |
| 00:47.13 | digitalice | im having problems with squidGuard in debian ... i know this is debian channel, but there is no one in the squid channel :P |
| 00:47.24 | obnauticus | however, i do not know shit about how they provision statics to customers who are in the same broadcast domain as their neighbors and god knows who else who |
| 00:47.32 | obnauticus | probably BPI, but that's still some fancy BPI |
| 00:47.40 | g0rs | abrotman: i used proxies before but not bouncers , its time to try . Probably its better to try a domain from another continent. |
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| 00:47.44 | Dionix | xorg.conf isn't where i expected it to be. |
| 00:48.25 | obnauticus | then create a symlink |
| 00:48.25 | digitalice | when i reload squidGuard with a new conf ... and blacklist, it start to use all the CPU and IO |
| 00:48.29 | obnauticus | (jk) |
| 00:48.43 | abaddon | g0rs dont think you will be 100% anonymous, anything can be tracked on the internet |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | g0rs: uh you want abaddon i think |
| 00:48.52 | abaddon | hehe |
| 00:48.58 | digitalice | and then, the squidGuard porceses (squid childs) go orphane |
| 00:48.59 | obnauticus | EW, abrotman you know what BPI[+] is? |
| 00:49.03 | digitalice | anyone had this problem? |
| 00:49.04 | abrotman | obnauticus: and the tier1 just tell you to eff off and die ? |
| 00:49.23 | obnauticus | ? |
| 00:49.33 | obnauticus | BPI uses 56-bit DES and 128-bit AES |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | obnauticus: i meant about using a linux-based router |
| 00:49.54 | g0rs | abaddon: anonmyity is gone forever. If we want to be secure in our communications , its better to talk in person or by postal mail. |
| 00:49.58 | obnauticus | I can hook my GNURadio up to this and decrypt my neighbors packets...in real time |
| 00:49.59 | obnauticus | this is fucking sad. |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | was asking |
| 00:50.21 | obnauticus | They never "support" any of my networking "techniques" so they call them. |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:50.35 | obnauticus | The most complex shit they see is probably openwrt |
| 00:50.39 | obnauticus | and that's like once a month |
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| 00:51.14 | abrotman | dunno about that .. but i'll take your word for it |
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| 00:52.25 | obnauticus | abrotman I just hope BPI is not broken for Docsis 3 as well |
| 00:52.32 | obnauticus | otherwise operation shitstorm is about to ensue |
| 00:52.48 | g0rs | abrotman: is debian more secure than ubuntu? I'm talking about passwords and directories. If somebody had physical access to the machine, can they break into the machine on debian? |
| 00:53.26 | obnauticus | oh ok, HMAC. It's not as terrible. |
| 00:54.21 | abaddon | g0rs use full disk encryption, both support it, debian is better though |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | obnauticus: FWIW ... i thought docsis3 was already live |
| 00:55.00 | Dionix | whatever yall suck |
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| 00:55.12 | abrotman | that was useful' |
| 00:55.24 | obnauticus | I lol'd. |
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| 00:55.50 | nevyn | g0rs: physical access always wins. |
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| 00:56.15 | g0rs | nevyn: Its a big problem if men in black are after our machines :) |
| 00:57.44 | nevyn | g0rs: so how long do you need to keep them out? and what controls are in place? I'm sure thalis or someone will sell a thermite case with rip tags |
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| 00:57.52 | nevyn | thales even |
| 00:58.03 | nevyn | that'd be kinda cool actually |
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| 00:59.58 | abaddon | g0rs you sound like you're up to something, do you realize how many feds are in this channel?.. you're tagged already bro.. |
| 01:00.10 | g0rs | abaddon: i've been already |
| 01:00.17 | abaddon | :-) |
| 01:00.57 | abaddon | security is very relative, depends who you're up against |
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| 01:01.54 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 01:02.00 | g0rs | abaddon: think about the feds. I think they always win :P |
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| 01:03.24 | abaddon | holywood feds dont really exist in real life, just think about the lie about the "30 seconds to trace a call" thing :) |
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| 01:05.01 | g0rs | abaddon: i think that everybody in this country is being monitored. All emails and chats are recorded or can be traced depending on the logging capabilities. Google is our big bro now. It is gathering lot of information about everybody and has already done that. If it were europe, they would do whatever they can to prevent google from becoming bigger or try to break it up. |
| 01:05.05 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:05.06 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 01:07.17 | TheSudoer | Hello, I am trying to install Eclipse via apt-get on sid...I am getting an error |
| 01:07.34 | TheSudoer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.45 | TheSudoer | and Depends: eclipse-pde (>= 3.5.2-11) but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:07.48 | TheSudoer | any help? |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | try aptitude? |
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| 01:11.43 | TheSudoer | still has the depends |
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| 01:12.16 | abrotman | aptitude update? |
| 01:13.18 | nevyn | TheSudoer: it's kinda a mess. |
| 01:13.30 | nevyn | the root problem is the new version of libjava-jade? |
| 01:13.39 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | judd has the ability to check this ... |
| 01:14.13 | dvs | winona or niomi? |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | naomi ? |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | hands his head in shame |
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| 01:14.46 | dvs | prefers ashley |
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| 01:15.46 | nevyn | TheSudoer: so the short version is that eclipse is a little broken in sid right now. |
| 01:15.57 | TheSudoer | hmm seems that sid must not ahve the versions that eclipse depends on.. |
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| 01:16.16 | nevyn | TheSudoer: it doesn't anymore. it used to. |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | wait ... sid broken ? scandalous |
| 01:16.29 | TheSudoer | ah |
| 01:17.02 | nevyn | TheSudoer: it's fixable by manually installing the version eclipse wants from snapshot and fiddling around |
| 01:17.10 | TheSudoer | ah ok...I will do that |
| 01:17.12 | TheSudoer | thanks |
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| 01:57.56 | robysath | I want to install 6.0.3 netinst for amd64 on my lenovo laptop. I will be installing a desktop environment. My cocnern is if my wireless will work afte rinstallation (during install i can use eth port) |
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| 01:59.18 | abrotman | robysath: which wifi device is it? |
| 02:00.03 | robysath | Intel Pro/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] |
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| 02:00.51 | dvs | robysath: You probably need the unofficial firmware CD. |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | robysath: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] .. is mine .. works fine .. just make sure you instlal the firmware while you have a cable |
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| 02:02.04 | abrotman | robysath: in short, you'll want non-free sources and the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 02:02.34 | robysath | cool thankd abrotman and dvs |
| 02:02.38 | bendbanks | Hi all about to do my 1st LVM (squeeze) install and want to change the partition size allocation. Can I do this at install or is that done after install? |
| 02:02.39 | robysath | thanks* |
| 02:03.27 | dvs | np |
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| 02:04.10 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 02:04.36 | Jef91 | what can I make in my rules file to have it simply run "make" without the "-j1" argument it is adding by default? |
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| 02:05.33 | abrotman | Jef91: that is the default |
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| 02:06.26 | Jef91 | I'm getting this "dh_auto_clean: make -j1 distclean returned exit code 2" |
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| 02:06.42 | abrotman | and if you run it without the -j1 ? |
| 02:06.48 | Jef91 | and my rules file is just "dh $@" |
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| 02:07.28 | Jef91 | so clearly nothing is telling it to use -j1 |
| 02:07.34 | Jef91 | unless I am missing something here |
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| 02:12.43 | Jef91 | any ideas anyone? |
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| 02:13.09 | Jef91 | full rules file - http://pastebin.com/9wwBWHVk |
| 02:13.16 | Jef91 | and for some reason it is running make with -j1 |
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| 02:14.15 | peterrooney | Jef91: how many jobs do you _want_ concurrently? |
| 02:14.43 | Jef91 | well its an ARM box |
| 02:14.46 | Jef91 | so 1 I believe |
| 02:15.42 | Jef91 | well, maybe i should be more specific, my build is failing out with this error message - http://pastebin.com/AEThdTE2, but make distclean and make both work fine outside of dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 02:20.59 | ezprezo | Jef91, run the DPI msg error, and then foreword the gpkg to sudo APR. |
| 02:21.21 | Jef91 | what? |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | hhee |
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| 02:26.33 | symptom | If I install stable, then change my apt sources to testing/wheezy and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade will that give me the latest testing bits? Including Kernel? |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | symptom: if it's not broken today .. sure |
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| 02:28.22 | symptom | abrotman, maybe that is why my netinst of testing failed..... ? |
| 02:28.37 | symptom | abrotman, has it been broken a lot lately? |
| 02:29.10 | abrotman | perhaps .. |
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| 02:37.32 | robysath | Does anyone know if netinst will allow a wireless install? Or will I have to use ethernet? |
| 02:37.57 | dvs | robysath: Ethernet is a lot more reliable |
| 02:38.23 | robysath | dvs: ok, off to find a cable then... :) |
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| 02:39.17 | abrotman | robysath: it will .. if you only want to use wep and you d'nt require firmware |
| 02:39.18 | bendbanks | that was the perfect place for a wizard of oz joke |
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| 02:41.03 | robysath | bendbanks: please tell.. :) |
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| 02:43.38 | Devastator | is this the right place to ask if some laptop works well with debian? |
| 02:43.54 | abrotman | you can try |
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| 02:43.55 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:43.55 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 02:44.29 | Devastator | thanks abrotman! |
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| 02:45.46 | Devastator | i finally have a spare laptop with a big hdd, i guess i can have linux laptop now.. |
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| 02:47.07 | abrotman | is confused why it wasn't possible before ... |
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| 02:48.00 | bendbanks | yeah what's HDD space got to do with it |
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| 02:49.03 | Devastator | abrotman my current asus laptop is "vista designed" and with only 200gb of hdd, argh |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | only 200 eh |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:49.25 | Devastator | not enough for dual boot, at least for my needs |
| 02:49.41 | mosno | what is the 'apt-cache show foo' equivalent for the source package? |
| 02:49.57 | g0rs | !thinkpad |
| 02:49.57 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:50.19 | mosno | hmm, i prefer this toshiba over my thinkpad |
| 02:50.33 | mosno | i guess it depends on which series you buy |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | i think it depends on the tihnkpad model .. they used to all be very good |
| 02:50.38 | mosno | T and L kinda suck |
| 02:50.47 | mosno | but my friends X is good |
| 02:50.54 | Devastator | i couldn't afford thinkpad, but bought a dell, i hope it's not bad |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | mosno: the T are the top of the line generally |
| 02:51.28 | mosno | abrotman: multi-monitor on my T's ATI is a pain with Squeeze |
| 02:51.41 | abrotman | mosno: your fault for supporting ATI/AMD :) |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | mosno: what part of that apt-cache show foo do you want fro source? |
| 02:51.59 | mosno | abrotman: well, the laptop was a gift, so i'm not complaining too much :) |
| 02:52.17 | Devastator | gah, dell came with ati :/ |
| 02:52.30 | Devastator | problems ahead |
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| 02:53.29 | mosno | abrotman: i really just want to see what binary packages are associated to a given source package |
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| 02:54.16 | mosno | abrotman: similar to what is seen in the debian-changes mailling list under the "Description" field |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | mosno: apt-cache show .. tells you that |
| 02:55.23 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 02:55.44 | mosno | ah, showsrc |
| 02:56.36 | Devastator | ati videocard and broadcom wifi, yep.. not a good start |
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| 02:56.58 | abrotman | mosno: i think it only has a "Source: |
| 02:56.59 | dvs | Stop dissin ATI dude! |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | mosno: i think it only has a "Source:" line if the source package differs from the binary name |
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| 02:57.19 | abrotman | dvs: eh? |
| 02:57.27 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:59.39 | goose | how can I see my CPU temp? |
| 03:00.13 | Devastator | i confess i didn't followed dvs's statement.. |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | he's canadian |
| 03:01.00 | Devastator | well, that explains a lot hehe |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | you're brazilian |
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| 03:01.46 | Devastator | i see your point |
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| 03:02.46 | Devastator | laptop charged, let's play |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | Gambit? |
| 03:03.10 | Devastator | erm.. no?! |
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| 03:08.23 | bendbanks | I keep getting a dest host unknown on a fresh squeeze install, static IP no DHCP running. IP address is okay but for the life of me it just want ping the router or see the network |
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| 03:09.24 | nsadmin | so you can ping the router on your subnet? |
| 03:10.05 | nsadmin | gonna respond soon? :) |
| 03:10.06 | bendbanks | from other machines yes |
| 03:10.23 | bendbanks | network at large is fine |
| 03:10.23 | nsadmin | but you cannot ping the router from the new install? |
| 03:10.25 | xr-- | :P |
| 03:10.30 | bendbanks | nope |
| 03:10.44 | bendbanks | destination host unknown is the error i get |
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| 03:11.09 | bendbanks | sorry destination host unreachable |
| 03:11.12 | Dionix | i have a question concerning sound/permissions |
| 03:11.18 | Dionix | i can only run alsamixer as root |
| 03:11.25 | nsadmin | are there other OSes currently installed on that box (which for purposes of our discussion we can call what?) |
| 03:11.30 | Dionix | even though i added Dionix my users to group audio |
| 03:11.44 | bendbanks | no only squeeze |
| 03:12.04 | nsadmin | is this the first os it ever had? |
| 03:12.11 | Dionix | i did an ls -l on /dev/snd and it showed that the group audio should be able to use everything |
| 03:12.19 | bendbanks | yeah total new box |
| 03:12.20 | Dionix | any ideas on what to do to fix this? |
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| 03:13.04 | bendbanks | when I did the install it wouldn't let me connect to mirrors but figured it was just internet playing up |
| 03:13.08 | nsadmin | ok... what busses are available, and do you have spare net cards that can go into slots on those busses? |
| 03:13.43 | nsadmin | it seems like the net card itself (or cable) might be failing |
| 03:13.54 | nsadmin | but that's presently a wild guess |
| 03:13.54 | bendbanks | it an on board network card Asus P5g41T- M LX |
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| 03:14.17 | nsadmin | maybe you need firmware for it |
| 03:14.30 | nsadmin | another wild guess |
| 03:14.39 | bendbanks | I was afraid you where going to say that hahaha |
| 03:14.50 | Devastator | is it realtek bendbanks? |
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| 03:15.17 | nsadmin | right now both of those guesses are pretty wild |
| 03:15.27 | bendbanks | mm let me check I think so but will double check |
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| 03:16.05 | nsadmin | so no spare net cards? |
| 03:16.36 | nsadmin | do you have a usb stick with some free space? |
| 03:16.46 | bendbanks | USB I can do |
| 03:16.59 | bendbanks | its a Giglan card |
| 03:17.02 | bendbanks | onboard |
| 03:17.14 | Devastator | pciid? |
| 03:17.23 | nsadmin | oh, you have a usb net card? that could work too |
| 03:17.58 | bendbanks | that or the USB stick |
| 03:18.17 | nsadmin | the builtin card should show up in lspci -nn listing |
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| 03:18.57 | nsadmin | then you should see something like [abcd:efgh] |
| 03:19.09 | nsadmin | l(if you use -nn on lspci) |
| 03:19.35 | bendbanks | yeah it comes up if I do lspci -nn |
| 03:19.52 | bendbanks | [1969:1063] |
| 03:20.02 | Devastator | can you pastebin the output? |
| 03:20.03 | nsadmin | aha, that's the pci id |
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| 03:20.59 | nsadmin | , pciid [1969:1063] |
| 03:21.01 | judd | [1969:1063] is 'AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1c' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1063 |
| 03:21.03 | nsadmin | werez kid |
| 03:21.16 | nsadmin | ph there it is |
| 03:21.42 | Devastator | lsmod | grep atl1c |
| 03:22.15 | rotflcopter | somebody in bash internals? |
| 03:22.57 | zleslie | Hi |
| 03:23.08 | zleslie | where can I get a list of bugs effecting a package I have installed? |
| 03:23.32 | somiaj | bugs.debian.org |
| 03:23.46 | somiaj | zleslie: bugs.debian.org/pkgname for a quick search |
| 03:25.13 | bendbanks | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.35 | Devastator | if atl1c is loaded it should just work |
| 03:27.24 | Devastator | damn ddos :/ |
| 03:27.25 | zleslie | Is anyone running bacula on squeeze with success? I keep getting tracebacks for all my squeeze nodes, don't see a bug reported, not sure how to troubleshoot it |
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| 03:34.17 | Devastator | !broadcom |
| 03:34.17 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 03:39.19 | tharkun | zleslie: not to underestimate bacula's features. I setted up a temporary solution using rsync because i had some isue with bacula. The temporary solution is still up and running |
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| 03:40.07 | tharkun | take a look at rsync capabilities you might as well script something small that does the job right fast and reliably |
| 03:40.44 | zleslie | yeah, I've been down that road before. I inherited this environmnent and it would be nive to fix it rather than scrap it |
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| 03:41.51 | Johnny_Giggles | Is debian with the HURD kernel considered experimental, or stable? |
| 03:42.29 | tharkun | Johnny_Giggles: Is the HURD kernel experimental or stable? |
| 03:42.44 | Johnny_Giggles | I dunno, I guess that's what I'm asking |
| 03:43.02 | rww | Johnny_Giggles: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ discusses its stability. |
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| 03:46.42 | peterrooney | zleslie: ah, the joys of legacy systems... |
| 03:47.04 | zleslie | eh, its debian stable :) |
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| 03:57.21 | Wally | hi guys can you help me with suse? |
| 03:57.24 | nsadmin | the newest hardware doesn't work that well either |
| 03:58.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wally: no |
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| 03:58.15 | nsadmin | Wally, personally I don't care if you ask about suse or not... having said that, I'm not sure you'll find anyone willing |
| 03:59.10 | rotflcopter | hahah |
| 03:59.20 | rotflcopter | no, dont do that |
| 03:59.37 | rotflcopter | put up a debian instead |
| 03:59.50 | nsadmin | he's already gone |
| 04:00.10 | nsadmin | didn't even hear my comment |
| 04:00.20 | rotflcopter | ah i see |
| 04:01.03 | rotflcopter | i wanted to use debian too |
| 04:01.14 | rotflcopter | but was having problems, and abandoned it |
| 04:01.28 | rotflcopter | automatic setup configurefailed |
| 04:02.19 | nsadmin | recently? |
| 04:02.35 | rotflcopter | was about 6 month ago |
| 04:02.43 | rotflcopter | but tried more "stable" versions |
| 04:02.48 | rotflcopter | and patched versions... |
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| 04:02.54 | nsadmin | oh, and did that work better? |
| 04:02.58 | mosno | is it just me, or does paste.debian.net not work via pastebinit in squeeze? |
| 04:03.04 | rotflcopter | well it has bugs too |
| 04:03.13 | rotflcopter | but much less hassle |
| 04:03.18 | rotflcopter | so i stayed here |
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| 04:04.09 | rotflcopter | now im considering a linux from scratch |
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| 04:05.03 | Blue1 | i am getting weird flash problems on 64 bit debian (squeeze) - 64 bit chrome and 64 bit flash - works great on youtube and facebook - not so on sites like cbs.com (no issues with site on 32 bit system) suggestions? |
| 04:05.28 | pbt39 | hi all. I want build small homeserver and want to ask. is there a way to put crypted file-container and mount that file on notebook? |
| 04:06.06 | Blue1 | pbt39: an iso file? |
| 04:07.04 | rotflcopter | sure crypting a file works as a loopdevice |
| 04:07.12 | pbt39 | no, I want use it for rw. as disk, storage |
| 04:07.29 | nsadmin | you mean you want the server to house the encrypted vol and serve it over... what? |
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| 04:07.38 | Blue1 | pbt39: not familiar with container files - sorry |
| 04:08.27 | connor_ | would anyone have experience encrypting mailboxes with postfix? I have tls set up and now I would like to know the best way to encrypt virtual mailboxes |
| 04:09.23 | nevyn | pbt39: network block device and dm-crypt |
| 04:09.26 | nevyn | it's totally doable |
| 04:09.44 | nevyn | pbt39: and only a little insane |
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| 04:10.11 | pbt39 | ok, thanks, I just need words for googleing |
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| 04:10.21 | Rusty1 | Blue1: flashplugin-nonfree installed ? |
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| 04:11.24 | tehrabbitt | hey, how can I use an HP autoloader tape drive (it's an LTO2 drive with 8 tape slots) |
| 04:11.33 | tehrabbitt | 8th slot has a cleaning tape in it |
| 04:11.57 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: doesn't backula support autoloaders? |
| 04:12.01 | Blue1 | Rusty1: no I removed it -- |
| 04:12.01 | tehrabbitt | i once used mt in the past with an old DLT drive, but i'm not sure if there's better stuff to use |
| 04:12.10 | tehrabbitt | nevyn: Hm backula.. never heard of it |
| 04:12.20 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: I've used mt for controlling autoloaders |
| 04:12.25 | tehrabbitt | nevyn: just apt-get backula? |
| 04:12.27 | nevyn | but it's pretty ghetto. |
| 04:12.32 | tehrabbitt | oh lol |
| 04:12.33 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 04:12.36 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: you need install... |
| 04:12.43 | tehrabbitt | ? |
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| 04:12.53 | nevyn | backula is like a proper network backup tool |
| 04:12.58 | nevyn | likes their tagline |
| 04:13.03 | tehrabbitt | ah |
| 04:13.05 | oobe | dpkg, bark |
| 04:13.05 | dpkg | barks, like a rabid dog. |
| 04:13.10 | nevyn | "It comes in the night and sucks up your data MWAHAHAHAH" |
| 04:13.16 | nsadmin | great googly words: of, and, is, was, it, these, those, them |
| 04:13.37 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: apt-get backula doesn't do anything you need install |
| 04:13.44 | nsadmin | dpkg, hiss |
| 04:13.44 | dpkg | nsadmin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:13.50 | Blue1 | Rusty1: afaik the non-free one is 32 bit anyway. |
| 04:13.54 | tehrabbitt | nevyn: basically I have the autoloader attached via scsi to my server, and i just want to be able to control it / back up my important files to tape at least once every 2 weeks or so |
| 04:14.05 | tehrabbitt | since right now my only backup is to an external HDD and i've already had one fail on me in the past 3 months |
| 04:14.12 | tehrabbitt | thank god it was a RAID1 external :-\ |
| 04:14.25 | nsadmin | dpkg's animalistic functionality is obviously woefully incomplete... |
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| 04:14.44 | rotflcopter | what is .deb anyway? |
| 04:14.46 | tehrabbitt | so Backula is my best option to do this? |
| 04:14.53 | tehrabbitt | rotflcopter: it's a debian package |
| 04:14.56 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: http://www.bacula.org/en/ it's a real backup solution |
| 04:15.10 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: with administration costs like a real backup solution |
| 04:15.17 | tehrabbitt | :-\ so not free? |
| 04:15.21 | tehrabbitt | or it is |
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| 04:15.26 | nevyn | it's free software |
| 04:15.31 | Blue1 | rotflcopter: its like an install.exe in windows (so please don't shoot me for saying so) |
| 04:15.32 | tehrabbitt | OH, administration costs == time |
| 04:15.33 | nsadmin | in this context it's at the end of the names of files which contain software prepared by debian for debian installations |
| 04:15.33 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
| 04:15.38 | rotflcopter | haha |
| 04:15.54 | rotflcopter | and how does it differ from rpm? |
| 04:16.04 | rotflcopter | can i convert it ? |
| 04:16.09 | tehrabbitt | rotflcopter: rpm == redhat package file |
| 04:16.12 | Blue1 | rotflcopter: same thing - deb is for debian and rpm is redhat |
| 04:16.12 | nsadmin | look into alien |
| 04:16.17 | tehrabbitt | theres a tool, alien |
| 04:16.19 | tehrabbitt | what nsadmin said |
| 04:16.20 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 04:16.21 | Blue1 | rotflcopter: what nsadmin said |
| 04:16.23 | tehrabbitt | beat me too it |
| 04:16.25 | tehrabbitt | :-p |
| 04:16.27 | rotflcopter | hehe ok thx |
| 04:16.27 | tehrabbitt | <-- too slow |
| 04:16.29 | nevyn | Blue1: not at all. deb's can't depend on files rpm's can |
| 04:16.33 | nsadmin | what nsadmin said? |
| 04:16.43 | rotflcopter | i see you have good reflexes early |
| 04:16.43 | Blue1 | nevyn: true that |
| 04:16.45 | tehrabbitt | nsadmin: you said look into alien... i was typing the same thing |
| 04:16.46 | nevyn | Blue1: postinst scripts in debian are more crazy than in rpm |
| 04:16.46 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 04:17.20 | tehrabbitt | alien will work on some RPMs, but it may require you still to have some prereqs installed first before you can install the DEB that it makes |
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| 04:17.35 | nevyn | in particular postinst scripts are permitted to be in more esoteric languages I think rpm postinsts need to be bash or sh |
| 04:17.40 | Blue1 | iirc i had to do that with lightscribe |
| 04:17.42 | rotflcopter | not sure i want to do that |
| 04:17.42 | nsadmin | redhat packagers make rpms |
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| 04:17.51 | nsadmin | debian packagers make rpms |
| 04:17.54 | nsadmin | for the most part |
| 04:17.55 | Rusty1 | Blue1: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/flashplugin-nonfree/download |
| 04:18.02 | nsadmin | err |
| 04:18.05 | rotflcopter | i like the source tar.xz format more |
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| 04:18.06 | nsadmin | oops :) |
| 04:18.08 | Blue1 | Rusty1: on my way |
| 04:18.11 | rotflcopter | and compile it |
| 04:18.19 | nsadmin | debian package managers make debs |
| 04:18.54 | grepper | its been a while since I updated my kernel (2.6.32 on debian sid). What kernel is it suggested to use atm ? |
| 04:19.07 | grepper | version that is |
| 04:19.18 | connor_ | does anyone know how to encrypt postfix mailboxes? |
| 04:19.29 | nsadmin | I have -no- idea... but I do know squeeze can use .32 |
| 04:19.58 | tehrabbitt | so bacula == compile from source? |
| 04:20.21 | tehrabbitt | how would i locate my tape drive as a device btw? |
| 04:20.26 | tehrabbitt | is it like /dev/tape or something? |
| 04:20.37 | Rusty1 | connor_: there is a #posfix channel, perhaps they can help |
| 04:20.56 | Rusty1 | postfix* |
| 04:22.04 | rotflcopter | can i boot a kernel (linux) from an usb stick then unmount the usb device and remove, and chroot to the local system (that has same files) ? |
| 04:22.40 | Blue1 | Rusty1: still crashes on the aljazeera and cbs sites - but plays youtube fine. |
| 04:22.42 | rotflcopter | or i must leave the usb stick in then? |
| 04:23.10 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: try bacula |
| 04:23.29 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: dmesg|grep st |
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| 04:25.14 | VZ2iCarly | hello: i was wondering is it possible to run kde 3.3 in debian 6? if so where to obtain an easy to install package |
| 04:25.40 | peterrooney | ,version kde |
| 04:25.43 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 04:25.47 | peterrooney | ,version kde3 |
| 04:25.48 | judd | No package named 'kde3' was found in i386. |
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| 04:26.39 | Blue1 | VZ2iCarly: not advised |
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| 04:27.15 | peterrooney | IMHO, kde 4 isn't advised either |
| 04:27.26 | connor_ | Rustyl: thanks, I should have checked there first, sorry about that |
| 04:27.42 | Blue1 | peterrooney: indeed. i tried 4.x and if I didn't know better, I'd conclude linux was broke |
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| 04:29.25 | VZ2iCarly | prefers the 3.3.x kde, and needs it desperately for to show how easy linux it to use |
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| 04:31.44 | nsadmin | almost misread lenny as larry |
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| 04:45.16 | TehRabbitt | so bacula, is there a specific way I need to install it?" |
| 04:46.57 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: it's in apt |
| 04:47.09 | TehRabbitt | nevyn, so just run apt-get install bacula? |
| 04:47.31 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:47.35 | TehRabbitt | and do I need X to use it, or does it have like a web interface :-\ |
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| 04:47.57 | TehRabbitt | or, is there a way to tunnel X through putty? |
| 04:48.06 | TehRabbitt | i doubt it, but it's worth a shot lol |
| 04:48.10 | nevyn | yeah using Xming |
| 04:48.16 | nevyn | does it all the time |
| 04:48.20 | mindbender2 | I can't find my at-spi-registryd in usr/lb. where can I get this file? |
| 04:48.24 | TehRabbitt | nevyn, hard to do? |
| 04:48.42 | nevyn | nah. install xming and click the xming integration tickbox |
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| 04:52.22 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: so just use "startx" like I usually would once it's installed? |
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| 04:55.12 | TehRabbitt | SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server |
| 04:55.16 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
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| 04:55.53 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: nah just run whatever app.. |
| 04:55.58 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: Ah |
| 04:56.01 | nevyn | exporting a desktop is a bit more tricky |
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| 04:56.20 | TehRabbitt | SWEET |
| 04:56.21 | TehRabbitt | :-D |
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| 04:58.14 | TehRabbitt | so how do i get the gui for bacula? |
| 05:01.32 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: is there a gui for it? |
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| 05:03.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | type bacula? |
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| 05:04.59 | TehRabbitt | not found |
| 05:05.37 | nsadmin | type bacula<--- leave cursor there, don't hit enter, try tab |
| 05:05.57 | TehRabbitt | i get -console, -dir, -fd, -sd, -tray-monitor |
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| 05:06.01 | TehRabbitt | i've tried all of them |
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| 05:06.27 | nsadmin | you've never used this thing before? or have you? |
| 05:06.36 | TehRabbitt | i've never used it, no |
| 05:06.36 | nsadmin | I haven't, myself |
| 05:06.40 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: I'd suggest reading the documentation |
| 05:07.13 | TehRabbitt | it says wx-console == the GUI but it's not found either |
| 05:07.13 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 05:07.18 | Big_Brother | where's the firewall in deibna ? |
| 05:07.20 | Big_Brother | debian* |
| 05:07.25 | nsadmin | yeah, me too, maybe start with /usr/share/doc/bacula/README.Debian |
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| 05:07.50 | nsadmin | that'w a new misspelling |
| 05:07.55 | nsadmin | !dsebain |
| 05:08.12 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 05:08.12 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 05:08.27 | TehRabbitt | nsadmin, I don't have that file |
| 05:08.51 | nsadmin | oh, what's in /usr/share/doc/bacula then? |
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| 05:09.31 | nsadmin | is bacula the package you did apt-get install (HERE) on? |
| 05:09.32 | TehRabbitt | :/usr/share/doc/bacula# ls ChangeLog INSTALL LICENSE README ReleaseNotes technotes VERIFYING |
| 05:09.41 | TehRabbitt | nsadmin: yes it is |
| 05:10.27 | nsadmin | ok, well I probably need to make backups too, so I'll look into this thing over the next few days |
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| 05:10.46 | nsadmin | meanwhile, ... less README |
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| 05:11.01 | TehRabbitt | Your best bet to get Bacula compiled and running is to read the online manual at: http://www.bacula.org |
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| 05:11.13 | TehRabbitt | and then it shows how to compile it right below that |
| 05:11.49 | nsadmin | is that README or INSTALL? |
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| 05:12.33 | TehRabbitt | nsadmin that's readme |
| 05:12.39 | nsadmin | explore tech notes |
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| 05:12.55 | TehRabbitt | ls |
| 05:13.08 | TehRabbitt | it's just a change log |
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| 05:14.06 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: compiling it would probably be notsensible. |
| 05:14.12 | Big_Brother | anyone using spotify on debian? |
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| 05:14.41 | TehRabbitt | how is the tape drive even showing up in debian? |
| 05:14.48 | TehRabbitt | .../dev/tape? |
| 05:14.52 | craigevil | Big_Brother, last time i installed it the stupid thing would crash everytime |
| 05:15.19 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: installing bacula-console-qt and the sqllite db backend and stuff will be needed in addition to the core bacula engine |
| 05:15.29 | Big_Brother | craigevil: it's getting there... just gotta fix this 'firewall' blockage it's claiming. |
| 05:15.31 | nevyn | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bacula |
| 05:15.39 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: i tried installing bacula-console-qt as well as sqllite and it didn't wrork |
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| 05:15.51 | nevyn | !didn't work |
| 05:15.51 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 05:16.04 | TehRabbitt | as in still no GUI |
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| 05:16.19 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: is the engine running? |
| 05:16.48 | TehRabbitt | bacula-console-qt is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:17.06 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: I did a /etc/init.d/bacula restart etc and it says it succeeded |
| 05:17.19 | nevyn | right. did you then try running backula-console-qt |
| 05:17.26 | TehRabbitt | excuse me, /bacula-director restart |
| 05:17.30 | TehRabbitt | yes command not found |
| 05:17.33 | nevyn | after having all your x11 mojo working? |
| 05:17.42 | TehRabbitt | root@thoth:/usr/share/doc/bacula# bacula-console-qt -bash: bacula-console-qt: command not found |
| 05:17.52 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: yes. I can start chromium-browser just fine |
| 05:17.52 | josh99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.07 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: dpkg -L backula-console-qt |
| 05:18.24 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:18.25 | nevyn | try bat |
| 05:18.37 | nevyn | that's the binary in extreme unhelpfulness |
| 05:18.44 | TehRabbitt | it was bat |
| 05:18.45 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 05:18.52 | TehRabbitt | its alive 0_0 |
| 05:20.00 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: now why isn't my drive showing up :( lol |
| 05:20.28 | nevyn | because you havn't configured it or havn't installed the nessicary components? |
| 05:20.51 | TehRabbitt | i mean like, how do i point it to the proper device? or find out what the device is on my system? |
| 05:20.59 | TehRabbitt | aka I know my external drive is /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:21.08 | TehRabbitt | so how do I find out what my tape is showing up as? |
| 05:21.12 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: the tape drive will be /dev/st0 |
| 05:21.13 | craigevil | josh99, remove the -src part, then run aptitude update |
| 05:21.17 | TehRabbitt | ah |
| 05:21.22 | nevyn | but the robot will be something else |
| 05:21.31 | TehRabbitt | hm :-\ |
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| 05:21.41 | TehRabbitt | it's an HP 1/8 autochanger |
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| 05:35.04 | TehRabbitt | how come this doens't work |
| 05:35.05 | TehRabbitt | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 05:37.18 | TehRabbitt | and i keep getting this: |
| 05:37.19 | TehRabbitt | cannot open SCSI device '/dev/st0' - Device or resource busy |
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| 05:42.21 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: did you install mtx (which is what bacula uses to control autochangers |
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| 05:53.41 | Wulf | anyone good with apt-cacher-ng? I want to use it for automatic ubuntu network install and it loads another file from a local webserver and the cacher says permission denied. (how) is it possible to let the proxy load the file? |
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| 06:13.00 | ^Alchemist^ | Hey, I have a question. I have a dedicated server running on debian 6, but after every reboot it won't start. My server provider says the system upgrade tries to upgrade configuration from grub to grub2 and fails to correctly translate my previous grub configuration. Is it a bug? I thought that squeeze uses grub2 by default so why grub is there? |
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| 06:17.10 | oobe | ^Alchemist^, old grub would be there from the previous install |
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| 06:20.43 | bzed | ^Alchemist^: maybe because you neither read whats written in the release notes on upgrades nor what grub2 told you when it was installed? |
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| 06:25.57 | mjrosenb | is going to guess that bison and liby aren't abi compatible |
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| 06:38.05 | TehRabbitt | question, can I make a 200GB .img file, mount it, and then dump my backup files into it... and then when I want to back up to tape, I just copy .img to the tape? |
| 06:38.50 | TehRabbitt | or is there a way of doing incremental etc |
| 06:41.14 | mjrosenb | TehRabbitt: tar has some incremental features. |
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| 06:42.55 | TehRabbitt | how can i check the status of my drive to see if it's actually working properly? |
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| 06:43.25 | TehRabbitt | i keep getting "device or resource busy" |
| 06:43.41 | josh99 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:44.05 | TehRabbitt | mind you the tape drive itself i've power cycled twice |
| 06:44.10 | TehRabbitt | and power cycled the actual server too |
| 06:44.44 | somiaj | josh99: because you do not want to install wheezy packages on squeeze |
| 06:44.54 | josh99 | somiaj: oh |
| 06:45.06 | somiaj | josh99: that deb-src line just adds the source packages, so you can download the source and compile it against squeeze libaries. /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 06:45.29 | somiaj | josh99: so you have started out correct as in not installing a wheezy binary, but you have to actually compile your own package. |
| 06:46.09 | mjrosenb | ah-hah! |
| 06:46.11 | mjrosenb | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg949771.html |
| 06:46.20 | mjrosenb | is running into ^that^ |
| 06:46.27 | josh99 | josh99: so i need to get the source? thanks |
| 06:46.38 | josh99 | somiaj: ^ |
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| 06:47.11 | mjrosenb | somiaj: you seem to know what you're doing. any idea about a temporary fix for that? |
| 06:47.23 | somiaj | !tell josh99 about ssbp |
| 06:47.43 | somiaj | mjrosenb: there is a file conflict, its exiting out because you are trying to overwrite a file owned by another package |
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| 06:48.11 | somiaj | aperentally liby-dev has that file |
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| 06:50.02 | somiaj | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645047 -- there is the bugreport. I guess wait until its fixed or remove one and/or the other pacakges |
| 06:50.10 | somiaj | if you don't need liby-dev just remove it. |
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| 06:52.02 | mjrosenb | afiak, i'm not using it |
| 06:52.14 | mjrosenb | not sure if there are any packages using it without my knowledge |
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| 06:52.33 | somiaj | its a -dev package, nothing should depend on it |
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| 06:52.41 | somiaj | it will only matter if you need it to build some thing |
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| 06:53.07 | mzgcz | who can give me zlib source pkg |
| 06:53.07 | mjrosenb | How do I remove it? apt-get remove is attempting to finish installing libbison-dev first |
| 06:53.13 | mjrosenb | which is obviously not working |
| 06:53.28 | somiaj | mjrosenb: dpkg -r or dpkg --purge |
| 06:53.43 | somiaj | mzgcz: add a deb-src line and apt-get source it |
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| 06:54.25 | mjrosenb | somiaj: most excellent! |
| 06:54.51 | mzgcz | somiaj, ok,let me try |
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| 07:02.20 | g00se | Is there a good way of differentiating bad data/storage on a partition and simply a bad disk? |
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| 07:06.05 | josh99 | somiaj: i use dpkg -i, correct? it tells me i need to get more packages with higher version numbers. am i doing it right? |
| 07:06.39 | somiaj | josh99: yes after you build the package. Where did you get the package you are going to dpkg -i to? |
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| 07:07.20 | josh99 | somiaj: debian's website |
| 07:07.25 | josh99 | wheezy |
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| 07:08.51 | somiaj | josh99: that is the same as installing a package from wheezy, I told you not to do that. Listen to what dpkg told you. Make a backport. Btw what package do you want to install? |
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| 07:10.19 | josh99 | somiaj: rxvt-unicode-256color |
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| 07:10.31 | cypha | any reason to use debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 07:11.19 | josh99 | cypha: less packages installed by defualt |
| 07:11.27 | josh99 | cypha: feels leaner |
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| 07:11.44 | cypha | is it faster? |
| 07:11.51 | hartzie | cypha no unity xD |
| 07:11.58 | cypha | i use openbox anyway |
| 07:12.06 | Bushmills | more comprehensively tested |
| 07:12.23 | cypha | ubuntu has more users, how is debian more tested? |
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| 07:13.05 | Bushmills | by not adding it anytime a new version of a package becomes available to the download pool |
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| 07:13.37 | Bushmills | also, debian is released when bugs are weeded out, not when the calendar demands it |
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| 07:16.11 | linkslice | dumb question. I'm just goofing off and want to know how to echo stuff to the system bell, and the speaker? |
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| 07:16.47 | cypha | anything you'd recommend over debian? |
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| 07:16.59 | cypha | linkslice, libnotify? |
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| 07:18.43 | linkslice | cypha, no, specifically I'm trying to redirect the output of tcpdump to the speaker. both internal and external...jsut for kicks. I can't seem to lcoate the dev to pipe to though |
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| 07:19.40 | cypha | ah ok |
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| 07:25.35 | cypha | during my setup, I'm being asked for hostname and domain name? |
| 07:25.51 | cypha | sup with that? |
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| 07:26.38 | hartzie | thats the computer name and where the computer is located |
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| 07:27.07 | hartzie | for the domain name you can choose anything like homenetwork |
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| 07:29.08 | cypha | aah ok |
| 07:29.13 | cypha | cuz it was saying something about .com and whatnot |
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| 07:42.37 | bzrk | hi, can anyone check if this error on sid is reportworthy? http://pastebin.com/REcvDiCC |
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| 07:45.54 | bzrk | nvm, already reported |
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| 07:48.41 | jokar | hello all |
| 07:48.48 | jokar | i wanna configure a honeypot |
| 07:48.53 | jokar | can you guide me? |
| 07:49.40 | mjrosenb | honeypot? |
| 07:49.55 | nsadmin | that would be a specific application; write out your requirements, which means: what -exactly- do you need it to do |
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| 07:50.37 | nsadmin | this document that you will write will serve as your guide |
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| 07:50.51 | courpse | How can i make a link to a samba share? |
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| 07:55.42 | nsadmin | I just installed bacula, and I need a proof-of-concept... specifically, I need to make a backup and restore it somewhere else to see how restores are done |
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| 07:58.26 | cypha | this looks exactly like ubuntu |
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| 07:59.19 | nsadmin | cypha: ok |
| 07:59.34 | cypha | I can't just sudo with any user? |
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| 08:00.04 | nsadmin | debian doesn't use sudo, at least not by default... you have to install it |
| 08:00.13 | cypha | oh |
| 08:00.15 | nsadmin | and no, sudo has a file of users |
| 08:00.30 | nsadmin | this file is called sudoers |
| 08:00.35 | cypha | so I'd have to open a root terminal |
| 08:00.36 | cypha | ? |
| 08:00.42 | nsadmin | those users can sudo |
| 08:00.43 | cypha | and then aptitude install sudo? |
| 08:00.59 | nsadmin | you can still do that (sudo bash) |
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| 08:01.23 | nsadmin | that is, if you[re a sudoer and that hasn't been adjusted |
| 08:01.44 | nsadmin | or sudo (shellyouuse) |
| 08:01.58 | cypha | k, u lost me |
| 08:02.32 | nsadmin | but wait, the conversation is cool and everything... and, I don't have a clear idea what you're after, what you want |
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| 08:03.25 | nsadmin | all I know so far is "this" looks like "ubuntu", and not whether that's good or bad |
| 08:03.47 | cypha | neither |
| 08:03.49 | cypha | just commenting |
| 08:03.53 | cypha | it's definitely faster though |
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| 08:04.03 | cypha | much much smoother/faster |
| 08:04.29 | cypha | got a list of differences I should know about? |
| 08:04.30 | nsadmin | so the looks are similar while the actions seem more efficient |
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| 08:06.25 | nsadmin | mostly what's different is that debian seems to strive toward stability |
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| 08:07.20 | nsadmin | debian has an unstable branch, a testing branch, a stable branch (latest released) and archived copies of all the old debians |
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| 08:07.54 | cypha | nsadmin, aptitude install still works in here? |
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| 08:07.55 | nsadmin | ubuntu takes debian's unstable and works on it for like 6 months and releases |
| 08:08.09 | nsadmin | should, yes |
| 08:08.14 | cypha | nsadmin, I meant about functionality, what's different :) |
| 08:08.32 | cypha | like, what commands are different? |
| 08:08.36 | cypha | or are they the same |
| 08:08.40 | nsadmin | there are many thousands of moving parts |
| 08:09.16 | nsadmin | if you consider the development cycles of each, there are things to realize about them |
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| 08:10.40 | cypha | k |
| 08:10.49 | cypha | and are there any basic commands that are different? |
| 08:10.52 | nsadmin | most dists of linux (which debian and ubuntu are two of many) operate very similarly |
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| 08:12.00 | nsadmin | there can be, but you're asking a very broad ranging and very general question that would take a long time to answer fully |
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| 08:12.39 | nsadmin | the answer would seem to take the form of a -really- long list |
| 08:13.03 | peterrooney | cypha: ubuntu has some strange changes, the full extent of which we couldn't be expected to know unless we were ubuntu masters. Heck, they even changed the basic utility 'shutdown' to remove the '-F' option. |
| 08:13.23 | cypha | what's -F do? |
| 08:13.35 | nsadmin | are you looking to switch and are looking onto each, or already switched and experiencing curiousities? |
| 08:13.56 | cypha | well, I just installed debian, and if I like it better, I'll stay |
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| 08:14.03 | peterrooney | cypha: let me tell you, that caused me no end of confusion, that it accepted the option without complaint |
| 08:14.14 | cypha | I just wanna understand if there are any basic differences I should know about at the command line |
| 08:14.21 | peterrooney | cypha: force fsck on reboot |
| 08:14.41 | cypha | oh ok |
| 08:14.56 | cypha | weird it didn't complain about the unrecognized switch |
| 08:14.59 | peterrooney | I thought I was going crazy. |
| 08:15.23 | nsadmin | song title? |
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| 08:15.48 | nsadmin | oh wait, no, the correct title is "I think I'm goin outta my head" |
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| 08:17.06 | peterrooney | Having to switch between debian, SunOS, and gentoo, I'm almost in the habit of reading the man page before running any command. |
| 08:17.59 | cypha | so peterrooney, besides the switches, any basic commands that are different at the command line? |
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| 08:18.09 | cypha | like sudo still gives root permission to user |
| 08:18.16 | cypha | grep still searches within files |
| 08:18.25 | cypha | ps ax checks processes |
| 08:18.46 | nsadmin | cypha, one thing, both debian and ubuntu can make fairly decent desktops, but intrinsic on ubuntu due to how their release workflow works, debian is considered far more stable and therefore much more suitable as a rock solid server |
| 08:18.48 | cypha | aptitude install |
| 08:19.07 | cypha | i only use it for local development |
| 08:19.12 | cypha | but good ot know ,thanks nsadmin |
| 08:19.26 | peterrooney | well, yes, those are the same. the differences are mostly cosmetic, but can be meaningful. |
| 08:19.45 | nsadmin | +perhaps you would make a separate machine as a file server |
| 08:19.52 | nsadmin | or compile server |
| 08:19.59 | cypha | nsadmin, were you looking for this song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6blgjF6UkU |
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| 08:20.33 | cypha | production server is remote |
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| 08:21.36 | nsadmin | when choosing an os for a server, debian wins over ubuntu in all cases |
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| 08:22.01 | nsadmin | err, I should put "I would choose" somewhere in there |
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| 08:24.42 | nsadmin | ubuntu's main thing is, they want to provide newer software faster... which means you get lotsa new shiny red balls, and when you compare, there's more effort and time spent testing and making sure everything works together |
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| 08:26.23 | cypha | i hardly use any of the X stuff |
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| 08:26.30 | cypha | I'm gonna switch to openbox |
| 08:26.40 | cypha | actually, this seems so smooth so far, I may not even |
| 08:27.47 | nsadmin | debian puts in a lot of time and care to things, from packaging software to testing and quality control |
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| 08:28.30 | cypha | well, ubuntu only releases 2 per year, should be thoroughly tested, no? |
| 08:28.46 | cypha | most aren't 'much different than the previous |
| 08:28.55 | themill | haha |
| 08:29.05 | peterrooney | Yomank |
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| 08:32.51 | nsadmin | remember that while debian takes its own unstable to form testing and eventually a new reoeased stable, ubuntu takes debian's unstable and works with it... one thing they don't seem to do is incorporate debian's solutions to problems, and if that's the case, ubuntu typically duplicates a shitload of work that debian already does |
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| 08:34.02 | cypha | seems inefficient |
| 08:34.20 | cypha | man hours could be put to better use for the linux community at large |
| 08:34.26 | oobe | dpkg, penis |
| 08:34.26 | dpkg | well, penis is a fuck stick |
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| 08:36.16 | babilen | oobe: Stop playing with the bot and please on-topic in here |
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| 08:36.38 | mjrosenb | that must have taken at least 500 man-hours alone to implement and perfect. |
| 08:36.54 | oobe | yes it did thanks for noticing |
| 08:37.16 | oobe | getting that bot to say those words makes all those hours with it though |
| 08:37.22 | mjrosenb | and they were well spent. |
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| 08:38.03 | babilen | oobe: Please try to stay on-topic in the future and refrain from adding senseless and potentially insulting factoids to the bot. |
| 08:38.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, forget oobe |
| 08:38.24 | dpkg | jelly-home: i forgot oobe |
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| 08:38.40 | jelly-home | dpkg, forget my name really |
| 08:38.40 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'my name really' to forget, jelly-home |
| 08:38.43 | nsadmin | maybe dpkg should not listen to change requests from oobe |
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| 08:39.14 | jelly-home | nsadmin: he seems to be a decent fellow usually |
| 08:39.37 | jelly-home | at least one doesn't keep a freenode account for 7 years being a troll |
| 08:39.38 | nsadmin | maybe just bored |
| 08:39.46 | jelly-home | ->d-o |
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| 08:41.53 | jelly-home | !start a penis war |
| 08:41.53 | dpkg | my schlong is bigger than yas |
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| 08:42.30 | dawud | hello all, I have a kerberized openldap already configured, and I'd like to know if it's possible to store the krb realm into openldap |
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| 08:43.08 | dawud | kinda chicken-egg problem? |
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| 08:43.42 | nsadmin | solves all chicken-egg problems |
| 08:44.13 | nsadmin | cooks em both and eats em! |
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| 08:44.40 | simonlnu | dawud: yes |
| 08:44.49 | simonlnu | it is possible |
| 08:44.53 | simonlnu | does it |
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| 08:45.48 | dawud | simonlnu: my problem is with kdb5_ldap_util, how do I migrate my existing realm into openldap? |
| 08:46.10 | simonlnu | dunno, never used the mit stuff |
| 08:46.31 | dawud | simonlnu: ah, ok, you're using heimdal, right? |
| 08:46.33 | simonlnu | i switched to heimdal years ago when the mit stuff didn't support it |
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| 08:46.56 | dawud | simonlnu: do you recommend heimdal over mit? |
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| 08:47.37 | simonlnu | i couldn't say, like i said, i never used the ldap connected bits. mit came out with support a few years ago. |
| 08:48.32 | dawud | simonlnu: ok, thanks anyway, seems like I have to update my knowledge... Is it too different (heimdal) from mit wrt to config etc? |
| 08:48.47 | simonlnu | in heimdal anyway, you just point the db to a (sub-)tree in the dit, and you're done. init realm, etc. |
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| 08:50.27 | dawud | simonlnu: looks quite useful. using mit seems like I can only kerberize the access to openldap _or_ store the realm into it, not both |
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| 08:51.10 | simonlnu | hm. could be they haven't implemented that yet |
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| 08:55.34 | dawud | simonlnu: ok, looks like it can be done, I found an article explaining it. It must be done in the proper order: 1st store the realm into ldap, then kerberize the access (not the opposite, like I already did...) |
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| 08:56.04 | dawud | simonlnu: here it is in case it's useful to others: http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-d6-kerberos-openldap-provider.php |
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| 09:04.11 | dawud | anyway, I'm still looking for a way to solve this w/o undo/redo my job. kdb5_ldap_util uses auth via DN against openldap, is there a way to use my existing ldap pricipal for this task? |
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| 09:10.29 | NodeX | anyone use delegate much ? |
| 09:11.17 | NodeX | oops |
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| 09:17.29 | Puck` | hi everyone |
| 09:17.44 | Puck` | is there a way to restore default configurations for a package? Like if i re-install it? |
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| 09:17.55 | Puck` | I'm talking about apache2 |
| 09:17.59 | babilen | !tell Puck` -about confnew |
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| 09:20.11 | themill | Puck`: make sure you reinstall the right package though -- use "dpkg -S" to work out what package the file is in. |
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| 09:21.32 | Puck` | themill: wouldn't i need to reinstall the apache2 package? |
| 09:21.54 | Puck` | basically i need all the default files in sites-available sites-enabled also apache2.conf and ports.conf |
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| 09:26.58 | gentoo_drummer | how do i check the debian repo available kernels in apt? |
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| 09:27.45 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 09:27.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 09:28.01 | babilen | gentoo_drummer: Also "aptitude search '~n^linux-image'" |
| 09:29.01 | jelly | babilen: or search for Provides: linux-image maybe |
| 09:29.14 | babilen | jelly: Yeah, that would work too |
| 09:29.28 | gentoo_drummer | thx |
| 09:29.28 | jelly | '~Plinux-image' ? dunno |
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| 09:29.49 | babilen | jelly: I haven't done that before, would have to test it. Looks okish though. |
| 09:30.37 | jelly | ,whatprovides linux-image |
| 09:30.39 | judd | Package linux-image in squeeze/i386 is provided by: linux-image-2.6.32-5-486, linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686, linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686, linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem, linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686. |
| 09:30.51 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 09:38.57 | PhoenixSTF | is there a maximum partition size for swap? |
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| 09:41.41 | sauvin | If you have to ask that question, you have WAY too much memory. |
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| 09:42.27 | PhoenixSTF | I wish i had, my 1.5tb raid fsck is using 6gb of ram plus 1.2 gb of swap |
| 09:42.38 | PhoenixSTF | and it runs out of memory |
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| 09:42.51 | empiric | hi |
| 09:43.03 | PhoenixSTF | can i had a 160 gb hdd just for swap? |
| 09:43.04 | colo-work | hehe, nice |
| 09:43.10 | empiric | guys i want to install debian6 on my HP prolient BL465 G7 server |
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| 09:43.13 | colo-work | PhoenixSTF, should not be a problem on x86_64 |
| 09:43.23 | empiric | how can i through smart start tool any idea? |
| 09:43.29 | colo-work | empiric, so? what's the problem with that? |
| 09:43.32 | PhoenixSTF | colo-work, is amd64 on squeeze |
| 09:43.46 | colo-work | what is the "smart start tool"? |
| 09:44.17 | tvm | phoenixstf: the limit was 64GB at some point, but it might be more nowadays |
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| 09:44.27 | empiric | well i reboot my machine with 64bit smart start 8.6 version |
| 09:44.31 | PhoenixSTF | tvm, ty m8 |
| 09:44.40 | empiric | i got the command promt thriugh smart start |
| 09:44.45 | empiric | what to do how i install debian |
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| 09:44.59 | PhoenixSTF | anyone knows any options on e2fsck not to use memory and use a file to store fsck information |
| 09:45.02 | tvm | phoenixstf: you can use several swap partitions though |
| 09:45.04 | colo-work | I don't know what "smart start" is. you should probablyjust read its documentation |
| 09:45.20 | PhoenixSTF | tvm, lol never tought about that |
| 09:45.27 | tvm | phoenixstf: yeah, it's easily possible :) |
| 09:45.31 | empiric | for windows smart start boots and ask for windows cd and installation done what to do for debian |
| 09:45.39 | PhoenixSTF | tvm, ty m8 ^^ |
| 09:46.20 | tvm | phoenixstf: see mkswap for more info |
| 09:46.22 | tvm | you're welcome :) |
| 09:46.30 | PhoenixSTF | tvm, roger xD |
| 09:46.33 | colo-work | empiric, that's quite evidently a question about smart start, not Debian. you're better off consulting with someone who has experience with that software. it's been a while sine I last had a proliant under my whim. |
| 09:47.05 | sep | running xchat on debian testing. have any of you a solution to the incredibly slow redrawing of the text area ? google just confirmes that others have the same issues, but no fix. swapping virtaul desktops or tabs in xchat couses a 2 second long redraw of the text area |
| 09:47.09 | empiric | no but i am asking how to install debian |
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| 09:47.38 | tomodachi | empiric: i have managed to install linux on a proliant dont remember how I used the smart start cd:s thoug |
| 09:47.39 | empiric | through smart start b/c i do not have physical server access i am accessiog server through HP ILO management |
| 09:47.48 | tomodachi | empiric: possibly it had an option stating other os |
| 09:48.09 | empiric | ya ca you show me some websites |
| 09:48.21 | sep | empiric, does not ilo support virtual cd with iso image ? just use the first debian cd or the netinstall iso |
| 09:48.27 | empiric | i am seeing this http://lackof.org/matt/hacking/proliant/Debian-ProLiant-Guide.html but not clear what to do |
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| 09:48.35 | tomodachi | empiric: no i did this like 3 years ago , dont remember |
| 09:48.37 | empiric | ya it support virtual cd |
| 09:48.56 | empiric | i have mount virtuall smartstart to boot through it |
| 09:48.58 | tomodachi | i had a physical cd this was an old oooold compaq prliant dl380 ithink |
| 09:49.07 | sep | empiric, so test with the netinstaller.iso and boot that instead |
| 09:49.24 | empiric | my quesion is whan i install debian does it affect ILO management web interface or not |
| 09:50.03 | sep | empiric, in my experience it does not (only onlu experience with ilo on the hp blade servers ) |
| 09:50.12 | tomodachi | empiric: well its integrated into the hardware not being dependend of the os software |
| 09:50.16 | tomodachi | i believe |
| 09:50.17 | empiric | sep actually i have installed windows through smart start what it does it start HP management software insde windows and if we forget passowrd we use that to reset |
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| 09:50.24 | empiric | i am worried abt that |
| 09:50.40 | empiric | i install windows on P servers through smart start |
| 09:50.58 | empiric | for installing debain what to do boot directly from debain iso |
| 09:51.02 | empiric | or thriugh smart start |
| 09:51.22 | colo-work | boot from CD if it lets you |
| 09:51.48 | empiric | ok |
| 09:51.51 | colo-work | so smart start is just an ILO sort-of-shell or what? |
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| 09:52.00 | empiric | ya |
| 09:52.02 | sep | empiric, allways just the debian cd |
| 09:52.04 | colo-work | you should be able to mount a CD image over it |
| 09:52.52 | empiric | smart start dows install HP intergrated services indise OS so if you forgot ILO pass but you can access the machine you can reset ILO pass |
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| 10:04.47 | zendeavor | ugh |
| 10:05.17 | nullie | how can I find source for debian source package? |
| 10:05.19 | zendeavor | pacman keeps saying "failed to init transaction. if you are sure a package manager is not running you can delete (null)" |
| 10:05.33 | zendeavor | hey debian. |
| 10:05.36 | zendeavor | wrong channel |
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| 10:05.41 | PerfDave | nullie: apt-get source $package |
| 10:05.57 | nullie | PerfDave, uh... I mean source for this source |
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| 10:06.18 | Iridos | is this some type of riddle? |
| 10:06.38 | nullie | scm repository for rules, control and patches |
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| 10:07.13 | nullie | s/scm // |
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| 10:08.14 | mindbender1 | please I'm getting this message: "sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory" when try to run certain commands, how do I resolve it |
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| 10:09.25 | petemc | mindbender1: are you in a directory that has been deleted? |
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| 10:10.36 | mindbender1 | petemc: I think you're right |
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| 10:11.37 | mindbender1 | please where can I get help on my network manager woes |
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| 10:12.06 | Iridos | I heard usually people sacrifice a goat and a chicken |
| 10:12.26 | Iridos | if you have any specific questions for a debian system, ask them here |
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| 10:13.30 | PerfDave | nullie: You probably want to ask #debian-devel |
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| 10:14.03 | Iridos | PerfDave, if you understood what he asked, can you explain it to me? |
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| 10:17.00 | Guest67503 | is it possible to download & install packages in squeeze ? This PC has no internet connection |
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| 10:17.35 | Guest67503 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mplayer <<<All those deps |
| 10:17.53 | Sevet | iridos: version control for the files that turn it into a debian package |
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| 10:21.17 | oobe | Guest5145, what you want to do is download each deb file and its deps then install them using dpkg -i |
| 10:21.47 | oobe | damn he left thats the 2nd time that happened to me |
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| 10:22.37 | Iridos | so he did |
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| 10:23.20 | Iridos | oobe, there's better ways and we got factoids about them... if you're interested /msg dpkg apt-offline /msg dpkg apt-zip (and follow hints in <>-brackets) |
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| 10:24.53 | Sevet | it's '/msg dpkg apt offline' not '/msg dpkg apt-offline' |
| 10:25.07 | Iridos | yeah |
| 10:25.12 | Iridos | just noticed myself |
| 10:25.25 | oobe | ah ok |
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| 10:49.44 | mosno | why is this still opening in epiphany http://paste.debian.net/135941/ instead of iceweasel? i've set iceweasel in Gnome Preferred Applications, and for x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser alternatives. |
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| 10:53.36 | th0r | mosno: did you log out and back in so the new items were read in? |
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| 11:07.48 | Daniel1289037 | Hello! |
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| 11:08.44 | Daniel1289037 | I need to send mails from my server, but I don't want to install a full mail server. Is there something small to just send mails? |
| 11:09.07 | Iridos | you should already have a mail server |
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| 11:09.32 | Daniel1289037 | Iridos, I did a minimum install, I don't have anything. |
| 11:09.32 | Iridos | it's needed for internal deliveries and so usually installed |
| 11:09.39 | Daniel1289037 | Hmm |
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| 11:10.11 | Iridos | try dpkg -l exim\* |
| 11:10.13 | jham | Daniel1289037: you have no sendmail insalled currently? |
| 11:10.23 | Daniel1289037 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.37 | mosno | th0r: aren't gnome apps meant to be instant apply? |
| 11:10.41 | Daniel1289037 | when I mail -s Subject receipient@sdsdf.de |
| 11:10.50 | Iridos | fairysnuff |
| 11:10.53 | jelly | Daniel1289037: Debian has used /usr/sbin/sendmail path since like 1998 |
| 11:10.57 | jelly | or earlier |
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| 11:11.03 | Gomex | Hi guys |
| 11:11.15 | Iridos | jelly, there's a softlink at /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 11:11.40 | Gomex | Is there in Debian 6 any tool to help me setup a debian client auth in OpenLDap server? |
| 11:11.55 | jelly | Daniel1289037: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mail)) ? |
| 11:12.10 | jelly | Iridos: still, no packaged apps should refer to it |
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| 11:12.55 | Daniel1289037 | jelly, "dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mail))" --> "heirloom-mailx: /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx" |
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| 11:13.53 | jelly | Daniel1289037: that's an unusual choice for mail binary. I suggest using bsd-mailx package instead |
| 11:14.04 | mosno | logout/login didn't help my problem ( http://paste.debian.net/135941/ still opening in epiphany, not iceweasel) .... anyone know what else i can try? |
| 11:14.10 | Iridos | it was handed down to him :) |
| 11:14.23 | mosno | i've set x-www-browser, gnome-www-browser and Gnome Preferred Applications |
| 11:14.48 | Daniel1289037 | jelly: I have no idea :) So should I "apt-get bsd-mailx"? |
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| 11:15.07 | jelly | Daniel1289037: apt-get install bsd-mailx |
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| 11:15.48 | jelly | ,file usr/lib/sendmail |
| 11:15.53 | judd | Search for usr/lib/sendmail in squeeze/i386: exim4-daemon-light: usr/lib/sendmail; ssmtp: usr/lib/sendmail; xmail: usr/lib/sendmail; msmtp-mta: usr/lib/sendmail; postfix: usr/lib/sendmail; masqmail: usr/lib/sendmail; exim4-daemon-heavy: usr/lib/sendmail; courier-mta: usr/lib/sendmail; esmtp-run: usr/lib/sendmail; nullmailer: usr/lib/sendmail |
| 11:16.30 | jelly | is elucidated |
| 11:17.05 | Daniel1289037 | jelly: of course ;) |
| 11:18.32 | Daniel1289037 | jelly: Do I have to worry that I have an open relay or something? Or is mailx save when freshly installed? |
| 11:18.43 | Iridos | Daniel1289037, well, exim4 is the default MTA. Perhaps look at ssmtp if you look for small and simple (but dunno if that fits your needs) |
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| 11:19.18 | Iridos | aptitude search '~G mail::smtp' or aptitude search '~G mail::transport-agent' gives you a list |
| 11:19.24 | Iridos | tags are a bit weird there |
| 11:19.47 | mosno | no one knows? :( |
| 11:19.50 | jelly | Daniel1289037: you don't. No Debian mail server software comes with an open-relay setup by default |
| 11:20.02 | Slydder | go go gadget netflow |
| 11:20.32 | Daniel1289037 | Thank you! |
| 11:21.21 | Slydder | bout wet myself about halfway through the video. lol |
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| 11:22.35 | Iridos | mosno, you seem to have done the obvious things... specially with changing /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser you could look for other settings in gconf-editor ... but I don't think there's a simple way to tell why gnome does something |
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| 11:24.34 | mosno | Iridos: i think i found a relevant bug filed on bdo |
| 11:25.17 | mosno | Iridos: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573771 |
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| 11:27.10 | mosno | yet another bug that isn't important enough to be fixed in stable, i guess |
| 11:27.31 | mosno | does anyone know if there's any talk of making a repo whose policy is to allow fixes to all stable bugs? |
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| 11:27.59 | mosno | i'm thinking of proposing it |
| 11:28.38 | babilen | mosno: I am not aware of such talks and it would violate the definition of being stable (that is that you can assume that all bugs stay the same) |
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| 11:28.57 | babilen | !tell mosno -about stable |
| 11:29.20 | mosno | babilen: you'd still have stable, but there'd be a new repo... much like squeeze-updates... perhaps call it squeeze-fixups |
| 11:29.27 | babilen | mosno: And frankly: you can just backport the packages from sid manually or pull them from backports |
| 11:29.32 | PerfDave | Wasn't that what volatile was for? :) |
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| 11:29.56 | mosno | PerfDave: i think that's more for things that need updates by nature, not because they're broken |
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| 11:30.04 | jelly | that's what squeeze-updates is all about |
| 11:30.04 | mosno | PerfDave: it's called foo-updates now |
| 11:30.07 | babilen | PerfDave: volatile/squeeze-updates is for software that *has* to be updated frequently in order to work correctly. (think antivirus for example) |
| 11:30.08 | Iridos | babilen, sounds a lot of fun for gnome (although haven't ever tried, perhaps it's not as bad as it seems) |
| 11:30.12 | jelly | full circle |
| 11:30.36 | babilen | Iridos: backporting gnome? |
| 11:30.44 | mosno | i'm not talking about new versions |
| 11:30.45 | jelly | a seriously bad name, foo-updates, that |
| 11:30.47 | mosno | i'm talking about bugfixes |
| 11:30.50 | Iridos | babilen, well, his problem was with gnome, no? |
| 11:30.56 | mosno | version must remain the same |
| 11:31.08 | babilen | jelly: Absolutely ... In particular because we now have squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates |
| 11:31.13 | project2501a | emacs sucks! |
| 11:31.14 | mosno | yes. |
| 11:31.23 | mosno | so squeeze/updates does security and critical fixes |
| 11:31.31 | Iridos | babilen, yeah... now everything is totally clear |
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| 11:31.46 | mosno | squeeze/fixups would do non-critical fixes ie. any non-wishlist bug filed in bdo |
| 11:32.00 | mosno | and sqeueeze-updates is for antivirus signatures and timezone updates |
| 11:32.07 | Iridos | babilen, also good idea to rename upgrade to safe-upgrade ... I'm totally in favor to keep renaming everything with every new release cycle |
| 11:32.14 | themill | that it's not even fixed in unstable makes this a bit of a moot point |
| 11:32.29 | mosno | because i've been using debian stable and i'm loving it except for these annoying bugs that mean i have to avoid certain broken packages |
| 11:33.04 | mosno | people that want absolute stability would not use squeeze/fixups, but people that want their pet peeve bugs fixed would |
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| 11:33.09 | mosno | anyone with me on this? |
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| 11:33.33 | mosno | i probably should send it to the mailing list |
| 11:33.36 | Iridos | the time spent on long-known bugs in stable is kind of annoying... |
| 11:33.49 | mosno | Iridos: sorry? |
| 11:34.05 | Iridos | I mean yes... the bugs in stable are annoying |
| 11:34.14 | mosno | yyeah |
| 11:34.15 | themill | mosno: there's a lot of work in what you're proposing. I can't imagine that people will volunteer to do this. |
| 11:34.20 | Iridos | and you spend 2 hours finding out what goes on to see that someone filed a bug 1 year ago |
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| 11:35.25 | mosno | themill: how so? it wouldn't be mandatory for the bug to be fixed, but at least it would provide the policy and infrastructure for people to do so if they wished |
| 11:35.41 | mosno | again, i'm not talking version updates. that would be prohibited |
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| 11:36.49 | themill | mosno: backporting bug fixes is a lot of work. They then need to be tested. Once uploaded, the packages need security support too... a security fix to that package now needs to be applied in several places. etc etc. |
| 11:36.50 | Iridos | and lets call that squeeze\updates as to not cause confusion |
| 11:37.34 | Iridos | themill, and you see a difference to backports there? |
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| 11:39.00 | mosno | themill: they wouldn't necessarily be backported, but yes, i suppose it'd be non-trivial. but what do people do now? i imagine hardcore users with an itch to scratch would put their fixes in a private repo |
| 11:39.24 | themill | Iridos: it's yet another place to make the fix. It's the same as backports... |
| 11:39.26 | mosno | eg. foo-1.2.3-5 is broken, so they make a foo-1.2.3-5-fixes1 or something |
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| 11:40.16 | Iridos | it would also provide a testing ground for rc fixes |
| 11:40.24 | Iridos | dunno how those are tested right now |
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| 11:40.58 | negaduck | hi! how to mount yaffs2 in debian? That's android filesystem |
| 11:41.01 | mosno | at the moment, non-expert users just have to suffer with the bug |
| 11:41.08 | mosno | or find a replacement package |
| 11:41.14 | mosno | like i did with brasero (replaced with k3b) |
| 11:41.28 | themill | Iridos: they are tested in s-p-u |
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| 11:44.02 | Iridos | well blow me away... Seattle Public Utilities ... and I never knew! |
| 11:44.09 | mosno | themill: what would you do if you were using stable and the package was annoyingly broken? |
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| 11:45.47 | themill | mosno: depends on how annoying. I sometimes backport things if it's fixed in testing. (e.g. I backported kile the other day as the newer version fixes some performance problems in squeeze). Sometimes I just work around it. tbh, I rarely find things that annoy me enough to do anything about them at all. |
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| 11:47.58 | mosno | themill: you backport to squeeze-backports, or a private repo? |
| 11:48.23 | mosno | i am going the "workaround" route because my debian-fu isn't there yet |
| 11:48.54 | themill | Usually private, sometimes I stick the package somewhere public but I don't like to encourage people using random packages from random repos anyway. |
| 11:49.12 | themill | In this case, backporting won't help you anyway as this bug is still present in wheezy and sid. |
| 11:49.34 | mosno | true |
| 11:50.03 | mosno | i wonder why it isn't forwarded upstream |
| 11:50.38 | jelly | !blow Iridos |
| 11:50.38 | dpkg | blows Iridos |
| 11:50.44 | jelly | away |
| 11:50.50 | Iridos | wadd? |
| 11:51.12 | jelly | you asked for it |
| 11:51.30 | Iridos | I don't curry sexual favors |
| 11:51.38 | Iridos | or was that flavors |
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| 11:52.32 | jelly | that wasn't sexual at all |
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| 11:52.43 | jelly | !blow Iridos away |
| 11:52.43 | dpkg | blows Iridos away |
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| 12:11.07 | simonlnu | dawud: ty |
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| 12:12.38 | dawud | simonlnu: np! |
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| 12:24.40 | Grav | Is there an easy way to change default fonts to something less horrible? |
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| 12:24.59 | xvilka | hi! are there any tutorial how-to install debian on flash drive for another PC, without using installer, qemu, etc? |
| 12:25.34 | xvilka | i've tried qemu-way, but it is veeery slow on my machine |
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| 12:28.12 | abrotman | Grav: fonts where? |
| 12:28.27 | abrotman | xvilka: the other PC part doesn't really matter generally |
| 12:28.59 | xvilka | yep. i mean other arch x32 vs current x64 |
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| 12:29.21 | abrotman | you could just make a 32bit chroot on the flash device? |
| 12:29.58 | abrotman | why does it fail in qemu ? |
| 12:30.51 | xvilka | abrotman: just because too slow. My current machine just have 1Gz+1Gb without kvm support :( |
| 12:31.06 | abrotman | it's tooslow to make? or use? |
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| 12:31.43 | xvilka | to make. I'm going use my flash drive on another, not current pc. |
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| 12:31.54 | Grav | abrotman: everywhere, but i think i made it somehow better downloaded some cairo packages and used slight hinting. |
| 12:31.54 | abrotman | xvilka: but you're only making it once? |
| 12:31.55 | xvilka | another will be x86 embedded |
| 12:32.17 | abrotman | Grav: everywhere meaning? console? telnet? Gnome? KDE? |
| 12:32.23 | xvilka | abrotman: once, but too slow. more than bunch of hours |
| 12:32.38 | xvilka | cant wait anymore :) |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | xvilka: chroot? |
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| 12:34.14 | xvilka | abrotman: yes, you right. Forgot about. |
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| 12:37.26 | Grav | abrotman: Gnome, browsers, text editors. Fonts looked small, jagged. I'm trying different font settings now. |
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| 12:40.18 | abrotman | Grav: ah okay .. there are gnome-ish settings for fonts also |
| 12:41.18 | abrotman | Grav: wiki.debian.org/Fonts might help |
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| 12:41.55 | Grav | abrotman: I will check it, thanks. |
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| 12:45.48 | Gomex | Hi guys |
| 12:46.05 | Gomex | is there any thing that I should do more than this doc in Debian 6 > http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-d6-openldap-client.php#aptg |
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| 12:46.56 | Gomex | I already did everything and still get this error when try ssh : pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server |
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| 12:48.43 | abrotman | Gomex: can you get the ldapclient to bind normally without pam ? |
| 12:48.56 | Gomex | abrotman, it is working well |
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| 12:49.36 | abrotman | Gomex: did you look at the pam-ldap docs? |
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| 12:50.02 | Gomex | abrotman, I did look this doc http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-d6-openldap-client.php#aptg |
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| 12:50.13 | Gomex | abrotman, I follow all instructions |
| 12:50.20 | Gomex | I did follow |
| 12:50.31 | abrotman | oh, those aren't your instructions .. |
| 12:50.52 | empiric | gusyi am trying to install debain 6 amd on hp prolient BL465G7 servers it says firmware ql2300_fw.bin and tg3_ts0.bin missing i am mounting media remotely through ILO |
| 12:51.07 | empiric | how i give OS these 2 files any idea |
| 12:51.15 | jelly | empiric: use the unofficial images with firmware |
| 12:51.27 | empiric | how? |
| 12:51.30 | jelly | empiric: or mount them over virtual usb stick |
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| 12:51.38 | Na_Klar | After changing my server's sshd port from 22 to 26000, the sshd server does not remember the name (ip) of the remote client. I always got "Last login: Tue Oct 11 11:11:11 2011 from noname" where "noname" usually would be the client's IP address. What is going wrong there? |
| 12:51.43 | empiric | i do not have virtual usb option |
| 12:51.46 | jelly | !tell empiric about firmware images |
| 12:52.02 | empiric | jelly can you paste me link |
| 12:52.13 | abrotman | the bot just told you in msg |
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| 12:52.36 | DjSt3rios | hi |
| 12:52.39 | Gomex | abrotman, is there more instructions to follow? |
| 12:52.47 | jelly | empiric: I don't know how iLO on blade chassis works. DL series servers have virtual cdrom and virtual floppy, you might use virtual floppy |
| 12:52.58 | speak | I'm having a bit of trouble with tab completion in the terminal. So, I'm trying to run a java command, like so: java -Djava.library.path path_i'm_trying_to_autocomplete -classpath /path/pathpath/path |
| 12:52.59 | abrotman | Gomex: i haven't done that .. i'm sure google can find you more |
| 12:53.06 | DjSt3rios | Can someone tell me if there is any free software to prevent DDoS Attacks? |
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| 12:53.19 | speak | for some reason hitting tab after the Djava.library.path just doesn't autocomplete the path at all |
| 12:53.28 | abrotman | DjSt3rios: Call your upstream ISP |
| 12:53.39 | abrotman | you can use an Android phone if it has to be open source? |
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| 12:53.43 | abrotman | or openmoko |
| 12:53.49 | DjSt3rios | I have a dedicated computer in a company abrotman |
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| 12:54.00 | Na_Klar | djst3rios, you can use iptables to fight against that. --limit option is your friend. which port do you want to save? |
| 12:54.15 | DjSt3rios | actually all ports are opened |
| 12:54.16 | abrotman | DjSt3rios: and what? you call your upstream ISP .. using iptables is useless |
| 12:54.22 | jelly | empiric: you should have gotten a private message from "dpkg" with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ link |
| 12:54.25 | DjSt3rios | hmm :S |
| 12:54.34 | jelly | !tell empiric about kmuto |
| 12:54.41 | abrotman | DjSt3rios: if the traffic gets to your server, you've already lost |
| 12:54.42 | empiric | ya virtual floopy i have but i download the firmware its .deb file how i mount it on floppy |
| 12:54.49 | abrotman | so using iptables on your server doesn't really do much |
| 12:54.55 | DjSt3rios | actually |
| 12:55.09 | empiric | i do not have internet on that server |
| 12:55.17 | DjSt3rios | I have a server and many people connect so, i need somehow to limit the TCP/UDP packets per second or something |
| 12:55.19 | Na_Klar | djst3rios, abrotman is true iptables cannot prevent from flooding. it only could lower damage |
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| 12:55.35 | jelly | empiric: same thing as mounting an iso, make a floppy-sized image, format it and put files on it |
| 12:55.40 | PerfDave | There are a few kernel settings you can tweak to help protect against DDoS, like timeouts for SYN floods, but it depends on the nature of the DDOS |
| 12:55.56 | empiric | hmm |
| 12:56.04 | DjSt3rios | Isn't there any software than can kill connections if they send too much packets per second? |
| 12:56.09 | empiric | hey its firmware for OS not for the server right |
| 12:56.20 | jelly | empiric: correct. |
| 12:56.34 | empiric | ok thanks man |
| 12:56.41 | abrotman | DjSt3rios: yes .. but the traffic still comes down the pipe ... |
| 12:56.51 | empiric | what i have to do boot server from firmware then it ask for OS cd |
| 12:56.51 | DjSt3rios | :/ |
| 12:56.52 | empiric | right |
| 12:56.53 | empiric | ? |
| 12:57.10 | empiric | to complete installation |
| 12:58.09 | jelly | empiric: no, just mount the floppy and copy the files to /target/lib/firmware/ (if the installation is mounted at /target) |
| 12:58.22 | jelly | empiric: or use the installer image with firmware. |
| 12:58.35 | empiric | ok |
| 12:58.52 | empiric | i have OS installed i just mount this firmware and install NIC software |
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| 13:01.59 | Na_Klar | djst3rios, you mainly should close your ports and prevent relevant ports from beeing brute-forced. DDos (exspecially _D_DoS) is hardly to avoid, and the network serving the connection to you has better options to achieve that |
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| 13:03.49 | abrotman | DjSt3rios: if it's truly a DDoS .. you call your ISP .. nothing you do on your server will really help .. no matter what Na_Klar says |
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| 13:04.29 | Na_Klar | abrotman, did I say something else? |
| 13:04.41 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:04.50 | Sevet | na_klar: even if you block the ports you're still having to process the packets to drop them and having the bandwidth on your link consumed, the only way to stop it is to get it blocked upstream by your isp |
| 13:05.06 | jelly | empiric: if you have OS installed, you can make an .iso image with firmware-qlogic and firmware-linux-nonfree packages |
| 13:05.19 | jelly | empiric: get them from packages.debian.org |
| 13:05.20 | Sevet | um, meant that towardss djst3rios |
| 13:05.31 | empiric | i do not have internet |
| 13:05.40 | jelly | empiric: you're on irc. |
| 13:05.46 | empiric | and i donnot have physical access to the machine |
| 13:05.59 | jelly | empiric: how did you install it? |
| 13:06.13 | empiric | mount iso and reboot machine and install |
| 13:06.21 | empiric | debain iso |
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| 13:06.41 | jelly | empiric: so make an different iso and use the same way to mount it |
| 13:06.50 | empiric | ok |
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| 13:15.21 | Na_Klar | After changing my server's sshd port from 22 to 26000, the sshd server does not remember the name (ip) of the remote client. I always got "Last login: Tue Oct 11 11:11:11 2011 from noname" where "noname" usually would be the client's IP address. What is going wrong there? |
| 13:15.58 | xr-- | Hmm seems strange |
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| 13:16.49 | Justin | Na_Klar: that has nothing to do with the port |
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| 13:17.12 | Na_Klar | justin, i assumed that too, but the behavior is correlant to the port change |
| 13:17.35 | Na_Klar | hm .. |
| 13:17.36 | Justin | Na_Klar: correlation is not causation |
| 13:17.46 | xr-- | If you change back to 22 it works? |
| 13:17.47 | Na_Klar | i know, that is way i say correlation |
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| 13:18.15 | Na_Klar | justin, i also closed some ports, does ssh need any other port than the one the transfer is managed by? |
| 13:18.32 | Na_Klar | s/way/why |
| 13:18.33 | Justin | Na_Klar: uhh, you probably broke DNS |
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| 13:19.16 | Na_Klar | justin, hm .. I did not specify any DNS server for now |
| 13:20.10 | jelly | Na_Klar: are you sure it's worked before? |
| 13:21.00 | jelly | Na_Klar: if you used dhcp client previously, it might have provided nameserver configuration as well |
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| 13:21.20 | Na_Klar | justin, jelly, oh I was wrong. I specified the dns of my local router as DNS, the entry should be correct. And I am sure it worked before, it just gave me the (network internal) IP of my client PC |
| 13:21.27 | Na_Klar | jelly, ah |
| 13:21.52 | Na_Klar | jelly, you are right, I configured my eth no static |
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| 13:22.21 | Na_Klar | s/no/to |
| 13:22.24 | jelly | verify the current contents of /etc/resolv.conf instead |
| 13:22.32 | Na_Klar | i just did |
| 13:22.45 | Na_Klar | it seems to be correct, but i double opt now |
| 13:23.34 | Justin | Na_Klar: if you blocked dns traffic things will act strange |
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| 13:23.53 | Na_Klar | justin, I allowed all icmp traffic, does dns need something else? |
| 13:24.19 | Sevet | udp and tcp ports 53 |
| 13:24.25 | Na_Klar | oh |
| 13:24.46 | Na_Klar | letme fix that xD |
| 13:25.00 | Sevet | are you whitelisting ports on the output chain? |
| 13:25.08 | Na_Klar | right |
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| 13:25.18 | Na_Klar | more the input chain |
| 13:25.37 | Sevet | established,related in input should allow outgoing dns queries, but only if you're allowing it in the output chain |
| 13:25.38 | Na_Klar | output is all accepted |
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| 13:26.20 | Na_Klar | I don't need port 53 tcp udp for INPUT ?? |
| 13:28.12 | Caelum | If I'm doing a make -j10 with distcc, and seeing practically no load on the distcc target, does that mean the network between the two machines is too slow? |
| 13:28.41 | Na_Klar | How can I verify if my DNS connection works as expected or not? |
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| 13:28.55 | jelly | Na_Klar: dig +short google.com |
| 13:29.11 | jelly | or getent hosts google.com |
| 13:29.40 | Na_Klar | jelly, well that worked. But how can I be sure which DNS server it used? |
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| 13:30.04 | Na_Klar | ah |
| 13:30.05 | jelly | Na_Klar: dig +short google.com @specific-ns |
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| 13:30.36 | Na_Klar | jelly, yeah that and just giving "dig" shows the dns which is in use |
| 13:31.03 | jelly | sure, remove +short make it a lot more verbose |
| 13:31.09 | Na_Klar | so my DNS settings seems to work. Is any other thinkable reason why my sshd should not be able to resolv the IP of the client? |
| 13:31.22 | Sevet | what's the ip? |
| 13:31.27 | Sevet | is it a lan ip? |
| 13:31.30 | Na_Klar | internal |
| 13:31.34 | Na_Klar | for now |
| 13:31.39 | Na_Klar | lan ip |
| 13:31.43 | Na_Klar | 192.168.129.100 |
| 13:31.46 | Na_Klar | ^^ |
| 13:31.53 | Sevet | that could be why then, probably has no reverse dns entry |
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| 13:31.58 | jelly | Na_Klar: does your nameserver resolve it? |
| 13:32.00 | Na_Klar | it worked before |
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| 13:32.25 | jelly | Na_Klar: (the current ip address of the ssh client?) |
| 13:32.26 | Na_Klar | reverse DNS? hm |
| 13:32.35 | Na_Klar | jelly, yes |
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| 13:33.08 | Na_Klar | jelly, well i can ping the ip, how do i test the relsolving? |
| 13:33.39 | Sevet | nslookup 192.168.129.100 |
| 13:34.13 | Sevet | if it worked before maybe your dns server changed, could be the last one had some entries for it but the new one doesn't |
| 13:34.44 | Na_Klar | well, since the client is not a host, it has just an IP address. But Sevet, you seem to be right, the ip is resolved with name = nonam, that is why sshd gives me noname ^^ |
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| 13:35.19 | Sevet | still not sure why it displays noname instead of the ip though |
| 13:35.20 | Na_Klar | so, before sshd gave me the IP, now the resolved host name .. okay |
| 13:35.34 | Sevet | you could try setting 'UseDNS no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config (that'll disable reverse dns lookups) |
| 13:35.47 | jelly | Na_Klar: getent hosts 192.168.129.100 |
| 13:35.49 | Na_Klar | good idea |
| 13:36.08 | jelly | Na_Klar: dig 100.129.168.192.in-addr.arpa. PTR |
| 13:36.40 | Na_Klar | getent gives "noname" for ip |
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| 13:37.06 | Sevet | there's the reason then |
| 13:37.20 | Na_Klar | i check the sshd_config |
| 13:37.28 | Sevet | guessing noname is generated by the dns server rather than giving a doesn't exist reply which i'd expect to log the ip |
| 13:37.38 | Sevet | usedns no will log the ip |
| 13:38.29 | Na_Klar | Yeah, that "DNS server" is for now just a router. It surely does not behave like a real DNS server. |
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| 13:40.15 | Na_Klar | Fixed (and understood). Thank you justin, jelly, sevet. I appreciate |
| 13:40.21 | jelly | Na_Klar: what's a "real dns server"? |
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| 13:40.54 | jelly | Na_Klar: there are authoritative dns servers and dns recursors. Different purposes. Both are real. |
| 13:41.03 | Na_Klar | jelly, a dns server that does not resolv unknown host names with "noname" ? |
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| 13:41.43 | jelly | Na_Klar: what does dig say when you ask the same nameserver? |
| 13:43.12 | Na_Klar | jelly, couple of things, what part shall I filter for you? |
| 13:43.35 | jelly | Na_Klar: pastebin the whole thing (with the command line) |
| 13:43.42 | Na_Klar | k |
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| 13:43.46 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:43.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 13:43.51 | mick_laptop | anyone know the best way to take something made w/ camtasia (some OSX screencapture software) and save the file to disk? I was thinking about using some screencapture software and letting it run - I'm justnot sure how I could handle the sound part |
| 13:44.30 | Devastator | what is trivial for dual boot? windows first? linux first? doesn't matter? |
| 13:44.34 | mick_laptop | I'm asking since I'm probably approaching the problem in a less than optimal way |
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| 13:44.43 | Na_Klar | jelly, http://codepad.org/xjzP5KLf |
| 13:44.58 | mick_laptop | Devastator: windows then linux (how it used to be) |
| 13:45.14 | Devastator | got it |
| 13:45.16 | Sevet | devastator: i'd use grub |
| 13:45.19 | mick_laptop | Devastator: windows used to be confused if it wasn't on there first |
| 13:45.23 | Sevet | install windows then linux |
| 13:45.30 | mick_laptop | yup |
| 13:45.35 | Devastator | okie dokie |
| 13:46.05 | an0 | mick_laptop, probably someone is going to ask how camtasia on Mac is related to debian, but until then, are you just trying to export your camtasia video? |
| 13:46.16 | mick_laptop | not y video |
| 13:46.18 | mick_laptop | my* |
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| 13:46.32 | jelly | Na_Klar: um... that's not the same query. You want to ask dig 100.129.168.192.in-addr.arpa. PTR @192.168.129.15 |
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| 13:46.53 | an0 | mick_laptop, just a screenshot from the video? I'm confused, but I use Camtasia on Mac so maybe I can help. |
| 13:47.01 | Na_Klar | jelly, ah is that a reverse DNS query? |
| 13:47.04 | jelly | Na_Klar: I have NO idea why would it even with A records like that. |
| 13:47.11 | mick_laptop | MIT did some work w/ the govt. and made a kickass class on radar... only they released it in some flashcrap |
| 13:47.31 | mick_laptop | an0: ^ |
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| 13:47.38 | mick_laptop | made w/ camtasia |
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| 13:47.52 | jelly | Na_Klar: that's a query for a PTR record, which is how mappings from IP addresses back to symbolic names are stored in DNS, yes. |
| 13:47.53 | an0 | mick_laptop, so what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:47.56 | Sevet | na_klar: yep, reverse dns entries are PTR entries as subdomains of .in-addr.arpa |
| 13:48.11 | mick_laptop | only I'd like to watch it while not being online |
| 13:48.16 | Sevet | nslookup a.b.c.d would convert the request to that form, but dig you need to give the .arpa |
| 13:48.23 | Sevet | note the bytes are in reverse order |
| 13:48.23 | Na_Klar | jelly, http://codepad.org/03wcu0Rv |
| 13:48.25 | mick_laptop | an0: can't d/l it |
| 13:48.30 | an0 | mick_laptop, why not? |
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| 13:48.50 | mick_laptop | nfi |
| 13:48.52 | an0 | mick_laptop, where is it hosted? |
| 13:48.57 | Na_Klar | sevet, got it |
| 13:49.01 | jelly | Na_Klar: and there you go. Your resolver really is giving out "noname." as PTR for that address :-) |
| 13:49.02 | Na_Klar | interessting ^^ |
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| 13:49.21 | Na_Klar | jelly, yeah, that is why I call it a wierd dns server :P |
| 13:49.29 | jelly | I'll agree |
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| 13:49.33 | Na_Klar | ty |
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| 13:49.44 | Na_Klar | ^^ so again some understanding for me, ty all |
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| 13:51.10 | mick_laptop | an0: mind if we take this to a /msg - since most people here will just complain about it being OT :) |
| 13:51.32 | an0 | mick_laptop, sure, I only have a minute though |
| 13:52.07 | Na_Klar | I like the try in this channel to generate knowlegde and not just to fix the problem. ^^ just btw |
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| 13:54.19 | empiric | hey jelly i make the iso for all deb files and mount as cdrom on installed debain to get NIC working |
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| 13:54.33 | mick_laptop | ok, I guess I'm back |
| 13:54.55 | jelly | empiric: sorry? Is that a report of success or a question? |
| 13:54.56 | mick_laptop | I'll probably use istanbul or gtk-recordmydesktop to record the screencast |
| 13:54.56 | empiric | when i install dpkg --install xyx.deb the it says missig file in /lib/firmware/ql2300_fw.bin |
| 13:55.09 | empiric | this is the i am trying to install throguh deb |
| 13:55.16 | empiric | a question |
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| 13:55.28 | jelly | empiric: can you pastebin the whole output ? Make a screenshot. |
| 13:55.46 | empiric | how i send you screenshot |
| 13:55.52 | empiric | can i email you |
| 13:56.10 | jelly | empiric: http://picpaste.com/ or some other image sharing site |
| 13:56.14 | simonlnu | !picpaste |
| 13:56.20 | jelly | imgur.com |
| 13:56.56 | hankmed | anyone got an old (the last) etch repo still online? i got a really old computer here, i just need some packages to fix it, and no space to upgrade... |
| 13:57.22 | abrotman | hankmed: archive.debian.org |
| 13:57.38 | mick_laptop | empiric: isn't that provided by the package firmware-qlogic? |
| 13:57.55 | Slydder | anyone here using csync2? |
| 13:58.09 | hankmed | abrotman: ah thx |
| 13:59.17 | mick_laptop | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-4.0/ |
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| 13:59.46 | mick_laptop | beat me to it :) |
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| 14:00.43 | empiric_ | jelly here http://picpaste.com/error-poKphkTa.jpg |
| 14:02.17 | jelly | empiric_: that's all ok. |
| 14:02.32 | empiric_ | so now can i install NIC |
| 14:02.33 | empiric_ | ? |
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| 14:02.46 | empiric_ | oh let me chk then the NIC |
| 14:02.51 | jelly | empiric_: if you rmmod tg3 and modprobe tg3 you ought to be able to configure network |
| 14:02.58 | empiric_ | ok |
| 14:03.02 | empiric_ | tanks man let me try |
| 14:03.08 | empiric_ | going offine to coonect server |
| 14:03.10 | empiric_ | again |
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| 14:03.17 | empiric_ | thanks amn |
| 14:03.19 | empiric_ | man |
| 14:03.22 | jelly | cheers |
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| 14:05.40 | Al3xG0 | my server is being viciously attacked by icmp blocker how do I that? http://pastebin.com/0zmM4ern |
| 14:06.40 | Sevet | empiric: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523365 "This is a false alarm. The HBA has burned-in firmware." file can be there to override but it's not required so you can safely ignore it |
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| 14:07.10 | abrotman | Al3xG0: you contact your ISP |
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| 14:07.47 | Al3xG0 | abrotman not have to block it not? |
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| 14:10.24 | abrotman | Al3xG0: you contat your ISP |
| 14:10.28 | Sevet | al3xg0: a ddos attack has to be blocked upstream. even if you find a way to recognise & drop all the correct packets, the connection requests are still consuming cpu to do so and using up the bandwidth on your link. |
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| 14:12.10 | abrotman | and your server doing it is far less effecient than what your ISP has |
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| 14:23.25 | SPF | what is a good way to check an open port in a bash script where you can use $? something with nc ip port? |
| 14:24.08 | Bushmills | depends what you call "open port". not firewalled? service listening? port one same machine or remote machine? |
| 14:24.44 | SPF | http port |
| 14:24.49 | SPF | not firewalled |
| 14:25.08 | SPF | just to check if a http service is running |
| 14:25.12 | Bushmills | you could grep the iptables rules |
| 14:25.23 | thelastninja | SPF: you can use telnet |
| 14:25.26 | Sevet | what do you want to do? check something is accepting connections? |
| 14:25.35 | Bushmills | oh. service running... wget something |
| 14:25.35 | SPF | Sevet: yes |
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| 14:25.51 | SPF | thelastninja: I could use telnet and grep for "connection refused" |
| 14:26.06 | Sevet | i'd use nc or wget |
| 14:26.08 | SPF | but I was wondering if I could use $? instead |
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| 14:27.03 | thelastninja | SPF: yes that way is possible |
| 14:27.14 | Sevet | yes, wget will set a non-zero $? on error |
| 14:27.23 | Sevet | not sure about nc but probably that too |
| 14:27.24 | SPF | ah, I just found I can use nc -z ip port |
| 14:27.38 | Bushmills | curl http://server > /dev/null && echo success |
| 14:29.24 | Bushmills | though if you want to be sure that it's actually a web server listening on port 80, you'd probably want to examine the returned data |
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| 14:30.05 | SPF | that's true, in that case I would look into using wget |
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| 14:31.30 | Bushmills | if your goals is to ensure that a service runs, for purposed of restarting if necessary or such, don't test remotely. instead, put something like, for example, monit on the server |
| 14:31.37 | Bushmills | purposes, even |
| 14:32.33 | Bushmills | actually, monit would be able to test remote servers too. |
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| 14:33.32 | Bushmills | it'd turn the whole thing around. rather than running a script which tests, and reacts to result of test, monit would test, and run a script depending on the outcome of the test |
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| 14:34.36 | Yatmai | wow, I've never been in open source museum (; |
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| 14:45.33 | pyther | Hello |
| 14:45.48 | pyther | can someone paste the contents of /etc/debian_version, I'm righting a distro detection script |
| 14:46.29 | petemc | 6.0.2 |
| 14:47.16 | pyther | petemc: cheers |
| 14:47.19 | dschoepe | pyther: wheezy/sid |
| 14:47.34 | dschoepe | (for sid) |
| 14:47.51 | dschoepe | (I may have some packages from wheezy installed though) |
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| 14:48.30 | Enekk | Hello, I'm new to Debian and was having a problem that I was hoping someone had some idea about |
| 14:49.00 | somiaj | should be 6.0.3 now if you upgrade to the newest squeeze |
| 14:49.11 | Enekk | I've read all the discussions about ppas and why they are a bad idea, but I must admit that I still find them useful for some things that re not updated in Debian testing. |
| 14:49.44 | somiaj | Enekk: what is a ppas? |
| 14:49.51 | Enekk | Anyways, I noticed that the add-apt-repository comes in testing automatically, but it faisl with a cryptic python error whenever |
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| 14:49.58 | Enekk | *whenever I run it |
| 14:50.24 | somiaj | are you installing a wheezy package on squeeze or are you running debian testing? |
| 14:50.38 | Enekk | I'm running testing |
| 14:51.24 | Enekk | The scripts comes by default - it just dies with a python error whenever you try to use it |
| 14:51.41 | somiaj | Enekk: check the bts for the package. File a bug if you think it is one. |
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| 14:51.55 | Enekk | bts? |
| 14:52.25 | somiaj | bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
| 14:52.50 | Enekk | thanks, the url is what I needed |
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| 14:54.38 | abrotman | pyther: you should probably use lsb_release -a |
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| 14:55.24 | pyther | abrotman: is it more accurate? |
| 14:56.27 | tedo | I have a problem with lsyncd - it stopped working as a daemon |
| 14:56.35 | tedo | no errors |
| 14:56.43 | abrotman | pyther: try it and see .. |
| 14:56.44 | tedo | no process |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | pyther: i'd say yes, buy a lot |
| 14:56.51 | abrotman | by a lot |
| 14:56.59 | pyther | abrotman: I don't have a debian system |
| 14:57.18 | afuentes | when i do apt-get update i get E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/whttp could not be found |
| 14:57.20 | pyther | abrotman: does that command simply print out the version number, it does it provide more info? |
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| 14:57.39 | afuentes | the problem is last time i changed sources.list wheeze sources had a typo but sid and experimental no, so i dont know what to do to get the package list from wheezy again :S |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | pyther: try it and see |
| 14:57.52 | afuentes | every package in my cache list is now from sid and experimental |
| 14:57.53 | pyther | abrotman: I don't have a debian system |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | pyther: do you have a linux system? |
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| 14:58.16 | pyther | abrotman: yes |
| 14:58.17 | somiaj | seems lsb_release is an optional package you need to install. |
| 14:58.26 | Sevet | pyther: 5.0.9 (lenny) 6.0.3 (squeeze)... 4.* is etch, 5.* is lenny, 6.* squeeze and 7.* wheezy |
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| 14:58.43 | afuentes | and i cant do apt-get update to fix the apt cache |
| 14:58.44 | Sevet | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history for earlier ones |
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| 14:59.11 | abrotman | pyther: most Debian systems have that binary .. it returns multi-line information .. RH based systems should have it available also |
| 14:59.38 | somiaj | afuentes: what is your sources.list? |
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| 14:59.55 | abrotman | .win 1 |
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| 15:00.14 | mrozieres | Hi there a little question, about DebianInstaller. I've used simple-cdd to build a custom iso. I'd like to use it also on usb sticks. Someone have an up to date recipe to build it from a custom iso ? |
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| 15:00.21 | tedo | while ago I put in cron: "@reboot sleep 120; lsyncd /home/user/lsyncd.conf.lua;" and it worked perfect... but now I have noticed the problem |
| 15:00.45 | drvodka | Hi all, I'm going to be installing on a new machine soon, and I was hoping there is some kind of program/script that will scan my current system, and tell me what config/other files i've modified, what files i've added etc. I remember some like xorg.conf/hosts, added .so in /lib, but i'm sure there are plenty i'd forget. Does anyone know such a program/script? thanks |
| 15:00.52 | Sevet | pyther: lsb_release -a gives: http://pastebin.com/d7zira8g |
| 15:01.13 | afuentes | somiaj, i fixed it, i had whttp in sources.list instead of http :D |
| 15:01.34 | ChibaPet | drvodka, are you replacing a machine or spinning up a new machine? I'm not sure what exists to characterize your changes, but restoring to new hardware isn't a terrible idea. |
| 15:01.53 | drvodka | ChibaPet: it's going to be a 2nd machine |
| 15:01.57 | Sevet | it'll be on more than one distribution, and gives dist name (eg debian), version (eg 6.0.3) and codename (eg squeeze) so it'll be more generic than looking at debian_version there and at something else on non-debian systems |
| 15:02.14 | Sevet | plus ubuntu'll have a /etc/debian_version but i'd expect that to show ubuntu information |
| 15:02.20 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 15:02.33 | abrotman | that's why using debian_version is not a good idea |
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| 15:02.47 | ChibaPet | drvodka, you can still restore to a new machine and customize, but I tend to do the sort of inventory you're describing with a pen and paper, and I start by noting all the services I want to move |
| 15:03.03 | Sevet | *plus ubuntu'll have a /etc/debian_version but i'd expect lsb_release to show ubuntu information |
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| 15:03.16 | Sevet | debian_version on ubuntu'll show the debian version it's based on |
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| 15:03.30 | abrotman | that's not good enough |
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| 15:03.36 | drvodka | ChibaPet: yeah, i was just hoping for some script that will tell me most... the worst is things like programs written in python where i've patched them a lot etc, and can't remember exactly what files |
| 15:03.40 | nsadmin | ubuntu failed to deal with /etc/debian_version |
| 15:03.50 | drvodka | ChibaPet: but that's good that it might just work by partimage/regrub on the new machine |
| 15:03.57 | abrotman | Sevet: using debian_version is a *bad* idea |
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| 15:04.27 | Sevet | yes. that's why i'm suggesting pyther use lsb_release, using ubuntu as an example why... |
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| 15:04.56 | ChibaPet | drvodka, I did something similar the other day, moving from a single disk to software RAID 1 |
| 15:05.09 | ChibaPet | it's reasonable depending on your perspective |
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| 15:05.22 | zumbi | hi! I am getting a eth alias on my network interfaces, it is not configured on /etc/network/interfaces, it even picks up another subnet which its not setup, do you have an idea where should I look to disable that ethernet alias? |
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| 15:05.32 | drvodka | ChibaPet: yeah, both are fairly standard desktop machines, no seriously wild differences i think |
| 15:06.12 | netsan | hey all, i have an new raid controller card (pci) , when i'm inserting into the debian installer i can see my two disks there |
| 15:06.24 | netsan | instead of one. |
| 15:06.25 | ChibaPet | zumbi, was it set up by hand? |
| 15:06.29 | Sevet | netsan: fakeraid |
| 15:06.32 | zumbi | ChibaPet: yes |
| 15:06.53 | netsan | Sevet what do you mean |
| 15:07.12 | Sevet | raid functionality is implemented in a software driver on windows, not on a hardware chip |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 15:07.14 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 15:07.23 | netsan | but i have hardware one. |
| 15:07.33 | zumbi | ChibaPet: in case it helps, it is squeeze based system |
| 15:07.58 | Sevet | no, you have a hardware card that gives a couple of ports. it does the actual raid stuff in the driver. |
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| 15:08.38 | abrotman | netsan: think of it like a winmodem |
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| 15:08.58 | abrotman | netsan: the system needs to use the CPU to do the real work for the raid |
| 15:08.59 | netsan | but, so why i need this card if i have on my mother board a-lot of sata ports |
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| 15:09.04 | nsadmin | oh gawd, winmodems :! |
| 15:09.05 | Sevet | some'll have a compatible linux driver but not all |
| 15:09.13 | Sevet | in any case you'll be just as well off using the md software raid driver that linux provides which'll work with any ports (ie you don't need that card) |
| 15:09.17 | drvodka | nsadmin: hah i just shed a tear in bad memory too ;) |
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| 15:09.49 | nsadmin | I'm glad I never had that memory :) |
| 15:10.12 | drvodka | nsadmin: i feel ashamed because i paid for a closed source driver for it |
| 15:10.14 | nsadmin | I once spent 90 bux to get a real modem |
| 15:10.36 | drvodka | they told me in the store that it was a hardware modem, but they lied |
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| 15:10.59 | Sevet | hope they gave you your money back then |
| 15:11.03 | nsadmin | was it pci? |
| 15:11.06 | ChibaPet | zumbi, if it was set up by hand, take it down by hand? you can control those things with ifconfig |
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| 15:12.11 | drvodka | nope, no money back, i still hold a grudge against maplin to this day |
| 15:12.15 | netsan | Sevet i dont get it |
| 15:12.23 | netsan | so it exactly like the raid i have on my motherboard? |
| 15:12.28 | netsan | what the advantage of this? |
| 15:12.48 | nsadmin | gotta consider getting away from ifconfig and route entirely... and learning ip |
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| 15:13.39 | george__ | would anyone happen to know how to change xchat to open links with iceweasel rather than chromium? |
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| 15:13.42 | Sevet | drvodka: hmm, sale of goods act should've helped you there (fitness for purpose clause) |
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| 15:13.59 | Sevet | netsan: it's giving you a few extra ports |
| 15:14.07 | Sevet | but all the important work is done on the cpu not the card |
| 15:14.16 | drvodka | Sevet: yeah i know but it's all just hassle, i just paid $7 or so for a driver and tried to forget about it |
| 15:14.18 | petern__ | or it might just not be set up |
| 15:14.18 | netsan | so it just give me ports? |
| 15:14.19 | Sevet | plus you'll have no caching being done by the card |
| 15:14.20 | netsan | :| |
| 15:14.23 | Sevet | and no battery backup option |
| 15:14.26 | petern__ | what's the card? |
| 15:14.34 | drvodka | george__: what desktop do you use? |
| 15:14.36 | netsan | 1430SA adaptech |
| 15:14.57 | Sevet | dmraid might let you use the card, but unless you're sharing it with another os it's probably a lot easier to use linux's software raid implementation (md) |
| 15:15.03 | george__ | drvodka, desktop? distro? |
| 15:15.08 | Sevet | !md |
| 15:15.08 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. This means you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a special (read winmodem) hardware controller. To establish at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 15:15.19 | drvodka | george__: i had a similar issue before, and i changed the settings in kde system settings for default browser and that fixed it |
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| 15:15.48 | george__ | drvodka, ohh, I'm on openbox :/ |
| 15:16.21 | drvodka | george__: well you can also look into update-alternatives |
| 15:16.30 | netsan | Sevet so it peace of **** . it dont give me anything at all. |
| 15:16.30 | nsadmin | I think that factoid has semantic errors |
| 15:17.00 | george__ | drvodka, see in update-alternatives I have the default set to iceweasel, that's why I find it weird that it opens up with chromium |
| 15:17.03 | Sevet | raid controllers are something you want to research fairly thoroughly before buying. most are the fake kind. the real ones do cost a lot more though. |
| 15:17.07 | george__ | let me try just removing chromium |
| 15:17.18 | petern__ | yeah, sorry, 1430SA is a fakeraid card :( |
| 15:17.23 | Sevet | it might still be usable using dmraid to recognise the volumes, but md'll be just as good |
| 15:17.37 | netsan | so i will alwayse see my two hard-drives instead of one? |
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| 15:17.54 | petern__ | set it up with md |
| 15:18.10 | mrozieres | netsan > you will use mdX block devices |
| 15:18.23 | Sevet | it could still be worth it if the ports are faster than the ones on your motherboard. and windows has no md support so on a dual boot system it's worth it, if you can get it working in debian with dmraid |
| 15:19.09 | petern__ | remembers all this fun from the first highpoint fakeraid cards |
| 15:19.18 | drvodka | i have another issue.. i have a box that i'd like to pull the hard drive out of to use in my main box, but when i booted a livecd there, and cfdisk, it didn't pick up the drive, does anyone have any clues for things to try there to find it? |
| 15:19.38 | netsan | Sevet so the only advantage is port speed:? suck. |
| 15:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | Sevet: There is no evidence that CPU based "fake" raid is any faster than normal disks. |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | netsan: it offloads processing |
| 15:20.01 | Sevet | netsan: unless you want to use it with windows, 'fraid so :/ |
| 15:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | Sevet: If you know of a published benchmark that shows otherwise, please share. |
| 15:20.41 | netsan | abrotman what do you mean? |
| 15:20.45 | nsadmin | drvodka start with the obvious stuff... computer power on? drive connected properly? drive spins up? etc |
| 15:20.51 | Sevet | jhutchins_lt: i'm only saying it because i've used a 6gb/s fakeraid card in a computer that only had 3gb/s onboard |
| 15:21.02 | drvodka | nsadmin: yeah, that box boots fine into the windows that is currently installed |
| 15:21.08 | Sevet | still can't say i saw much difference though |
| 15:21.23 | nsadmin | which is on the drive you want to pull? |
| 15:21.27 | Sevet | since the drive was only on the 3gb/s threshold and it wasn't very loaded anyway |
| 15:21.28 | drvodka | nsadmin: yeah |
| 15:21.39 | Sevet | s/drive/drive's speed/ |
| 15:21.48 | nsadmin | so that's evidence the drive itself works |
| 15:21.53 | drvodka | nsadmin: it doesn't seem to be any exotic drive, just a 250gb sata thing i think |
| 15:22.30 | nsadmin | do you have other sata drives on the same controller? |
| 15:22.36 | drvodka | nsadmin: nope |
| 15:22.52 | nsadmin | that seems a good place to start digging in |
| 15:23.15 | drvodka | nsadmin: the controller might be a weird one? not driver in my livecd by default maybe? |
| 15:23.21 | Sevet | drvodka: what's the controller it's plugged into? if it's an unusual one perhaps the livecd doesn't have a driver for it but windows does have one installed? |
| 15:23.31 | Sevet | :) |
| 15:23.41 | drvodka | ok thanks guys, i will look into that |
| 15:23.46 | nsadmin | well let's see.... lspci -nn, and get the pciid of the card |
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| 15:24.35 | nsadmin | then you can ask judd or other interface to udd what it knows about that pciid |
| 15:24.56 | netsan | ;-( |
| 15:24.59 | nsadmin | perhaps the first thing to do is make sure the driver is present |
| 15:26.25 | netsan | Sevet, why should i create array in RAID bios and then to see 2 disks and then to create another array? |
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| 15:26.36 | abrotman | you wouldn't |
| 15:26.39 | netsan | so? |
| 15:26.43 | netsan | whats my option? |
| 15:27.46 | abrotman | you use dmraid/mdraid or get a real raid controller |
| 15:28.15 | netsan | so why i was needed to create an array on the RAID controller bios? |
| 15:28.24 | abrotman | who said you needed to? |
| 15:29.27 | netsan | the instructions :) |
| 15:29.42 | abrotman | netsan: if this is for a large storage system, you may want a real raid controller |
| 15:29.49 | netsan | workstation used |
| 15:29.49 | abrotman | netsan: which instructions? where? |
| 15:29.51 | netsan | nothing else |
| 15:29.56 | netsan | instruction of the card |
| 15:29.57 | abrotman | oh, mdraid would be fine |
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| 15:30.04 | hroi | hi |
| 15:30.07 | abrotman | netsan: those are likely for windows users .. |
| 15:30.15 | netsan | sh*t :) |
| 15:30.29 | hroi | I would like to share a folder so that it can be accessed through the /net/mymachine mechanism |
| 15:30.33 | epsilon | netsan: 1430sa offers just hostraid, so no own real raid controller on the card, more software based |
| 15:30.34 | hroi | automount I guess |
| 15:30.48 | Fredxz | exim4 or bsd-mailx? =/ |
| 15:30.49 | Fredxz | And why? |
| 15:30.57 | hroi | for all machines within the network |
| 15:31.14 | hroi | there is a firewall so that intranet machines cannot be accessed from the outside |
| 15:31.15 | netsan | i hope they will get that back |
| 15:31.18 | epsilon | netsan: just configure as single disks on the adapter, then run conventional mdadmin-RAID in linux |
| 15:31.33 | netsan | epsilon but why i should need that card for that? |
| 15:31.42 | netsan | if i have an mother board that give me exact same thing |
| 15:32.03 | abrotman | Fredxz: for what? they do different things |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | netsan: you don't .. that's the point |
| 15:32.35 | epsilon | netsan: it's pseudo-RAID, managing the actual RAID in Software in OS. Real Hardware-RAID does everything on the card and OS will only see one final virtual disk |
| 15:32.55 | Fredxz | abrotman, need unattented-upgrades to sent me emails. |
| 15:32.59 | Fredxz | That is the only thing I need really. |
| 15:33.05 | abrotman | Fredxz: ssmtp |
| 15:33.08 | abrotman | nullmailser .. |
| 15:33.14 | abrotman | uh .. nullmailer |
| 15:33.15 | Fredxz | abrotman, uin the future I might have a forum which would send out emails as well. |
| 15:33.22 | netsan | and no other advantage like perforamnce or anything? |
| 15:33.23 | Fredxz | But that would be it. |
| 15:33.26 | jelly | Fredxz: mailx calls exim4, exim4 queues mail and sends it further |
| 15:33.28 | epsilon | netsan: yes it sucks and no one eally needs it, especially in linux |
| 15:33.40 | Fredxz | So jelly, exim4 then? |
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| 15:34.09 | jelly | Fredxz: you can use any MTA you feel comfortable with, exim4 is just a default. |
| 15:34.17 | epsilon | netsan: no extra performance, it just offers RAID in Software-Level. Nothing else than a decoration |
| 15:34.23 | Fredxz | Do not really know, usually I go with the most simple. |
| 15:34.28 | jelly | Fredxz: does echo test | mail -s test foo@example.org work now? |
| 15:34.29 | Fredxz | That does exactly what I need, nothing else. |
| 15:34.40 | Fredxz | When? |
| 15:34.43 | Fredxz | I did not install anything yet. |
| 15:34.46 | jelly | Fredxz: NOW |
| 15:34.49 | jelly | oh |
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| 15:35.05 | jelly | Fredxz: well what DO you have installed? Debian base system? |
| 15:35.12 | Fredxz | Yes. |
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| 15:35.20 | epsilon | netsan: if you really want hardware-RAID, you need a card 200Euro+ and not <50Euro |
| 15:35.33 | jelly | Fredxz: do you need delivery to local, unix users? |
| 15:35.34 | Fredxz | bash: mail: command not found |
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| 15:35.42 | Sevet | netsan: i find fakeraid quite annoying... i have no problem with fakeraid as the onboard raid implementation on a motherboard (it's cheap and most people don't use it), but when i buy a hardware raid card i expect it to really be a raid card |
| 15:35.46 | Fredxz | No, just my email addresses. |
| 15:35.52 | Fredxz | Out there on the Internet. |
| 15:36.00 | Fredxz | Only sending, no receiving. |
| 15:36.02 | Sevet | btw, you'll probably find the md driver performs better than the one on your card would anyway |
| 15:36.14 | jelly | Fredxz: use nullmailer as a MTA, as eg. bsd-mailx to provide the "mail" command. |
| 15:36.53 | jelly | Fredxz: you will also need a smarthost provided by your ISP (or eg. Gmail) for nullmailer to send mail to. |
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| 15:37.20 | Fredxz | This is not needed when using exim4? |
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| 15:37.50 | qrq | What is a name of package that is a user manager? |
| 15:37.52 | ChibaPet | apt-get install bsd-mailx |
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| 15:38.01 | qrq | I mean gui gnome user manager. |
| 15:38.23 | qrq | :) |
| 15:38.29 | qrq | Not console one. |
| 15:38.52 | jelly | Fredxz: exim4 is able to send mail by itself. |
| 15:39.42 | Fredxz | I am configuring exim but not sure what option to pick. |
| 15:39.48 | qrq | Can someone check this for e? |
| 15:39.53 | Fredxz | mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail? |
| 15:39.59 | qrq | I don't have gnome -_- |
| 15:40.01 | Fredxz | Or no local mail, send by smarthost? |
| 15:40.33 | jelly | Fredxz: mail sent directly. If you're going to use a smarthost, get rid of exim4 and use something smaller an more appropriate. |
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| 15:42.31 | george__ | anyone here use tilda./ |
| 15:42.33 | george__ | ? |
| 15:42.44 | qrq | Its gnome-control-center |
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| 15:52.05 | acu | I want to copy all files from ona 1.5 TB HDD to 3 TB HDD - and I want to keep the date same - if I use RSYNC what command should I use ? rsync --verbose --progress --stats /media/1_5TB_BACKUP /media/3_TB_HARD_DISK ? |
| 15:52.40 | Justin | acu: rsync is for syncing, you are not syncing, you should use cp |
| 15:52.41 | PerfDave | man rsync, then do a test run on a subset ;) |
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| 15:55.01 | Sevet | justin: actually since that's a backup it might be appropriate since it's faster if he wants to bring it up to date in future |
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| 15:55.32 | Justin | but it's not the future yet :) |
| 15:55.58 | acu | there are other problems - if I just do cp of 1.5 TB it dies |
| 15:56.08 | Justin | it does what now? |
| 15:56.56 | Sevet | acu: you probably want the rsync -a option |
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| 15:57.06 | Sevet | it implies things like -t which preserves the times |
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| 15:58.17 | Sevet | and if you're concerned about it dying, try --partial too |
| 15:58.22 | acu | Justin so what cp command should I give - I want to copy everything as I mentioned before |
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| 15:58.44 | acu | Sevet, the system froze - do not know - |
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| 15:59.02 | Justin | if the system froze you have bigger problems, and using rsync instead of cp is not going to solve them |
| 15:59.36 | acu | Justin: what command should I use with cp ? |
| 15:59.40 | acu | that was the question |
| 15:59.49 | Justin | cp is the command |
| 15:59.56 | Sevet | cp -rfpP |
| 16:00.16 | Sevet | -p keeps the mode,perms and times |
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| 16:00.31 | Justin | or use -a, which is made for this sort of thing |
| 16:00.35 | george__ | is there something wrong with the debian servers? sudo apt-get update is taking like 5 minutes |
| 16:01.01 | Justin | george__: there are hundreds of debian servers. are we supposed to guess which one you are using? |
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| 16:01.28 | Sevet | acu: what froze? everything, or just the command? |
| 16:01.39 | george__ | Justin, my bad, the default one, it's http://ftp.de.debian.org for US server right? |
| 16:01.51 | acu | Sevet: everything - but I did not use cp - I just drag and drop it in nautilus |
| 16:01.55 | Bushmills | acu, good command to use with cp is man |
| 16:01.59 | Sevet | check dmesg, and try copying between the drives using a live cd... could be you're getting io errors from the controller or hdd |
| 16:02.06 | Justin | george__: uhh, .us. is for us servers |
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| 16:02.23 | Sevet | acu: 'k, try rsync/cp first then |
| 16:02.33 | Sevet | cp will be quicker than rsync |
| 16:02.38 | george__ | Justin, damn, why am I on .de then :/ probably why it's soo slow |
| 16:02.39 | Bushmills | george__: probably. i'd say what is wrong with them is that their CPU technology is probably non-free |
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| 16:02.48 | Sevet | (but rsync will be resumable) |
| 16:02.51 | george__ | Bushmills, lol |
| 16:03.03 | Sevet | you can cp then rsync if cp dies though |
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| 16:03.29 | george__ | hmm where was sources.list located again |
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| 16:04.07 | Justin | george__: grep -r de.debian.org /etc |
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| 16:04.19 | Sevet | george_: in /etc/apt |
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| 16:05.11 | george__ | Justin, thanks, found it, have to learn how t use the commands of grep :P |
| 16:05.14 | george__ | Sevet, thanks :) |
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| 16:06.47 | Justin | george__: you use it by typing exactly what I said... |
| 16:07.08 | george__ | hmm even ftp.us.debian.org is 208 KB/s, what's happened to these debian servers |
| 16:07.28 | Justin | george__: perhaps the problem is on you end |
| 16:07.28 | george__ | Justin, yeah :) saying I need to learn the commands so I don't have to ask how to find files :) |
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| 16:08.41 | george__ | Justin, damn u're right |
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| 16:08.52 | george__ | something's messed up with my connection :/ |
| 16:09.24 | george__ | my download speed's at 7 Mb/s |
| 16:09.36 | george__ | but my upload is at 32 Mb/s |
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| 16:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | ftp servers were down yesterday. |
| 16:11.46 | an0 | george__, sure those aren't backwards? lol |
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| 16:17.32 | Fredxz | jelly, uh, I tried to configure exim4, and use the mail command you provided me, it did not work. =( |
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| 16:22.04 | acu | through rsync the transfer is around 60 MB/s |
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| 16:23.40 | jee__ | bonjour |
| 16:24.11 | jeee | hello |
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| 16:25.29 | jeee | hello |
| 16:25.45 | jeee | I'va got a problem |
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| 16:26.06 | acu | jeee just ask your question |
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| 16:26.15 | jeee | I installed debian on a very old computer |
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| 16:26.20 | nsadmin | If I had a problem.... I'd problem in the moooooorning... |
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| 16:26.26 | jeee | but he has a strange wi-fi card |
| 16:26.37 | jeee | a DWL-G650+ |
| 16:26.50 | nsadmin | ok, is it a pci? |
| 16:27.03 | nsadmin | see if it appears in lspci -nn |
| 16:27.09 | Bushmills | jeee: maybe the little blue pill help against your problem? |
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| 16:27.19 | jeee | i don't know but the card is removable |
| 16:27.33 | nsadmin | if so show the thing that looks like: [abcd"qwer] |
| 16:27.40 | themill | !dwl-g650+ |
| 16:27.40 | dpkg | The DWL-G650+ is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. Revisions A1 and B1 use the Texas Instruments ACX 111 chipset, ask me about <acx111>. For support of the DWL-G650, ask me about <dwl-g650>. |
| 16:27.44 | jelly-home | jeee: what kind of connector does it use... USB? PCMCIA? |
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| 16:27.54 | acu | jeee: what debian are you installing - what exactly is the problem with the wifi - is not there - you can't enable it ? |
| 16:28.12 | jeee | hum, PCMCIA i thing |
| 16:28.50 | nsadmin | oh, themill, that clears it up... and, it should appear in lspci |
| 16:29.07 | jeee | hum, i thing it does |
| 16:29.19 | jeee | i'm gnna connect with the pc |
| 16:29.40 | nsadmin | try: lsmod | grep acs111 |
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| 16:29.57 | nsadmin | !acx111 |
| 16:29.57 | dpkg | acx is a reverse-engineered driver for Texas Instruments 802.11b/g (ACX100/TNETW1100, ACX111/TNETW1130, ACX100USB) wireless LAN chipsets. It does not support <WPA>. Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/acx for installation instructions. This driver is not available for Squeeze due to Debian bug #563474 (package orphaned, BTS #581519). For the mac80211 port, ask me about <acx-mac80211>. |
| 16:30.27 | SNow | why mysql replications sync could be very long? 'seconds till master' it usuallys takes few seconds to sync and now so long, how can I debug? |
| 16:30.28 | cantido | would buy another card |
| 16:30.34 | jeee | there is nothing |
| 16:30.37 | cantido | the acx cards are worth wasting the time on |
| 16:30.43 | cantido | s/are/arent/ |
| 16:30.47 | nsadmin | ok, also try: |
| 16:30.48 | jeee | with lsmod | grep acs11 |
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| 16:30.59 | nsadmin | lsmod | grep acs |
| 16:31.00 | Sevet | SNow: try 'show processlist' - it could be running a very long query |
| 16:31.08 | Sevet | and #mysql might be more appropriate |
| 16:31.13 | nsadmin | (accdg to above, you maynot see it) |
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| 16:31.17 | Sevet | acx not acs |
| 16:31.26 | nsadmin | right |
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| 16:31.33 | jeee | yes i did asc |
| 16:31.38 | jeee | acs |
| 16:31.39 | jeee | * |
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| 16:31.47 | pipeline | SNow: mysql log shipping isn't real-time. If it backs up by like, minutes, that's fucking terrible. But a few seconds is normal. |
| 16:31.49 | nsadmin | oh, try acx |
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| 16:32.11 | jeee | nothin |
| 16:32.22 | SNow | pipeline: it's like 800 000 seconds behind |
| 16:32.23 | SNow | ... |
| 16:32.30 | SNow | and in 1 hour it reduced to 650 000 seconds behind |
| 16:32.32 | SNow | fuck what? |
| 16:32.42 | Sevet | ok, show slave status then: any errors? |
| 16:32.51 | SNow | noo |
| 16:32.54 | cypha | wow, stil awake nsadmin? |
| 16:33.04 | Sevet | jeee: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:33.06 | SNow | and the is , that the dump is fresh update! |
| 16:33.14 | nsadmin | ok, so acx drover not installed... try: /sbin/ifconfig -a and you will see "names" and "paragraphs", show names |
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| 16:33.33 | nsadmin | cypha, woke up a half hour ago |
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| 16:33.39 | nsadmin | err hour n a half |
| 16:33.45 | cypha | aah, ok |
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| 16:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | SNow: Time to start studying the logs and transactions. |
| 16:34.18 | Sevet | SNow: what dump? |
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| 16:34.23 | SNow | sevet of the master |
| 16:34.23 | jeee | i run a recent debian i thing |
| 16:34.28 | SNow | sevet Seconds_Behind_Master: 812519 |
| 16:34.30 | nsadmin | transactions? we -are- talking mysql, right? :) |
| 16:34.31 | SNow | What I've done: |
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| 16:34.39 | Sevet | jeee: what does "lsb_release -a" tell you? |
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| 16:35.00 | jeee | ok, gonna do a pastebin |
| 16:35.01 | SNow | i even stopped writes to master, did dump, did reset slave, did restore dump, did start slave, and I get Seconds_Behind_Master: 812519 |
| 16:35.05 | SNow | and it's not reducing |
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| 16:35.11 | Sevet | jeee: just the codename line will do |
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| 16:35.16 | SNow | jhutchins_lt: but it was just fine.. |
| 16:35.27 | Sevet | jeee: and what's the revision of the card? |
| 16:35.29 | jeee | whoa, speak slowly |
| 16:35.32 | SNow | I thought it's maybe something with FS, but it isn't |
| 16:36.07 | Sevet | SNow: did you include the slave info (master position) in the dump? |
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| 16:36.29 | SNow | sevet no |
| 16:36.44 | SNow | just mysqldump -u -p db > |
| 16:37.04 | SNow | it wasn't a problem when i did it sometime earlier.. |
| 16:37.04 | Sevet | then you might be replaying every transaction the master ever made including the ones that generated the data in your dump |
| 16:37.17 | SNow | hmm |
| 16:37.19 | SNow | really? |
| 16:37.30 | SNow | but I've did it like couple of times and it was ok like that way |
| 16:37.48 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.01 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.27 | Sevet | what does 'show master status' on the master tell you? |
| 16:38.30 | jeee | debian squezee 6.0.3 |
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| 16:38.42 | jeee | but i can reainstall whenever i want |
| 16:38.56 | jeee | it's just slow but no real problem |
| 16:39.01 | Sevet | !dwl-g650+ |
| 16:39.01 | dpkg | The DWL-G650+ is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. Revisions A1 and B1 use the Texas Instruments ACX 111 chipset, ask me about <acx111>. For support of the DWL-G650, ask me about <dwl-g650>. |
| 16:39.11 | Sevet | driver for your card is acx1111... |
| 16:39.11 | Sevet | !acx111 |
| 16:39.11 | dpkg | acx is a reverse-engineered driver for Texas Instruments 802.11b/g (ACX100/TNETW1100, ACX111/TNETW1130, ACX100USB) wireless LAN chipsets. It does not support <WPA>. Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/acx for installation instructions. This driver is not available for Squeeze due to Debian bug #563474 (package orphaned, BTS #581519). For the mac80211 port, ask me about <acx-mac80211>. |
| 16:39.17 | Sevet | which is not supported in squeeze |
| 16:39.44 | themill | jeee: the driver for that isn't available for squeeze, isn't distributed in binary form (you have to compile it yourself) and doesn't support WPA anyway. It's pretty crap. |
| 16:39.48 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.49 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.51 | jeee | hum, where can i know that |
| 16:39.52 | jelly-home | what about that acx-mac80211 thing |
| 16:39.53 | Sevet | it's also old enough there's no wpa |
| 16:40.10 | Sevet | so it's wep-only which is nowdays basically unencrypted (it's that easy to break) |
| 16:40.12 | jeee | too bad |
| 16:40.15 | Sevet | you'll be best off getting a new card |
| 16:40.19 | jeee | it has to support WPA |
| 16:40.40 | SNow | Sevet: it's not that far away right? |
| 16:40.50 | Sevet | !acx-mac80211 |
| 16:40.50 | dpkg | acx-mac80211 is an experimental, reverse-engineered mac80211 driver for Texas Instruments 802.11b/g (ACX100/TNETW1100, ACX111/TNETW1130, ACX100USB) wireless LAN chipsets. Supports WPA and WPA2. See http://sf.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=25947708 to checkout and its README/INSTALL files within for build instructions (Linux >= 2.6.32 required). Also ask me about <acx firmware>. http://acx100.sf.net/ #acx100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:41.02 | Sevet | hmm, maybe... jeee - try that |
| 16:41.13 | cypha | If I copy in my ~/ folder from ubuntu, should everything work without a hickup? |
| 16:41.17 | jhutchins_lt | Sevet: If someone tries to hack my wifi, I'm gonna know, because they're going to have to be standing in my yard if not inside my house. Wifi just doesn't propagate that far. |
| 16:41.18 | mehrdad | my wireless card is down, because apt packege is down too. helllllllllllllp |
| 16:41.19 | jeee | hum, but i remember that on puppy linux and vector linux which failed at install, wi-fi was working |
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| 16:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: What do you expect us to do? |
| 16:41.52 | Bushmills | cypha, i want to see my radio working again when you do that |
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| 16:42.10 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: install apt |
| 16:42.20 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: How/why did you remove it? |
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| 16:42.25 | Sevet | jhutchins_lt: never tried a pringles tube antenna then? |
| 16:42.27 | tarto | hi ! I've made a fresh install of debian (netinst) on my laptop and i can't get the wireless card to work (intel Advance 6230) can somebody help me ? |
| 16:42.38 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: i'dont know |
| 16:42.38 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: What's missing? aptitude? apt-get? dpkg? |
| 16:43.04 | jhutchins_lt | Sevet: I have steel siding. The signal's just not there. |
| 16:43.14 | Sevet | anyway, that doesn't go for everyone. here in suburbia i can access my wwan from ~5 hours either side and behind, and the busy pub across the road |
| 16:43.24 | Sevet | plus anyone in a car outside |
| 16:43.43 | cypha | Bushmills, i didn't realize it was that different |
| 16:43.52 | Bushmills | cypha: "everything" |
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| 16:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. I miss having The White Hart across the road, but I couldn't get wifi there. Old malthouse with meter-thick walls. |
| 16:44.12 | cypha | well, I guess I meant generally |
| 16:44.18 | Bushmills | you wouldn't want to exclude my radio from the set of everything, would you? |
| 16:44.25 | cypha | haha |
| 16:44.28 | cypha | of course not |
| 16:44.31 | jeee | Savat, how should I try |
| 16:44.37 | cypha | how would you catch your serialz |
| 16:44.38 | jeee | *Sevet |
| 16:44.41 | cypha | serials |
| 16:44.41 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: i'm a amatur user i realu dont know,but i know remove apt packege manager |
| 16:44.44 | Bushmills | thanks. then please go ahead, by all means |
| 16:44.52 | acu | tarto: you are new it seem - most probably you need to add contrib non-free repositories nano /etc/apt/sources.list - then apt-get update - then for ease - if you are in GNOME go to SYSTEM - Synaptic Package Manager = and do a search for wifi or intel - and you will see a bunch of drives /firmware you just click on - once you install and reboot the wifi is magic :) |
| 16:44.58 | Sevet | jeee: try installing the mac80211 driver |
| 16:45.06 | cypha | now, how do I get a similar sudo experince |
| 16:45.06 | cypha | ? |
| 16:45.14 | Sevet | !tell jeee about acx-mac80211 |
| 16:45.18 | jeee | by sudo apt-get? or from the internet? |
| 16:45.27 | cypha | or, whatever the way is to give any user raised privileges |
| 16:45.54 | Bushmills | su |
| 16:46.01 | tarto | acu: already done. with console |
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| 16:46.18 | Bushmills | better not "any user" |
| 16:46.30 | tarto | acu: i've install iwlagn also, and load the module |
| 16:46.31 | Sevet | jeee: not sure, i haven't used that driver. follow dpkg's instructions. |
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| 16:46.46 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: can u ANSER me? |
| 16:46.55 | cypha | bushmills, in ubuntu, you can just type "sudo whatever" and it runs the command with raised privileges, as long as the pw is entered correctly |
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| 16:47.04 | cypha | is the debian counterpart "su"? |
| 16:47.05 | tarto | acu: and lspci dont show my wireless card |
| 16:47.09 | nsadmin | Can I run linux-image-3.x.y (for any x, y) on squeeze? anyone already doing it? how;s that going? |
| 16:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: I don't understand the question. It's not quite english. |
| 16:47.39 | Sevet | jeee: looks like you'll need to build it yourself though rather than use apt. get the files onto the system using a usb dongle or something like that. |
| 16:47.41 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: I don't know if you're missing dpkg, apt-get, or aptitude, or all three, or why you think they're missing. |
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| 16:48.05 | nsadmin | not root or mis-set PATH |
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| 16:48.06 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 16:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cypha about sudo |
| 16:48.13 | Sevet | it depends on whether it's been packaged or is included in the kernel |
| 16:48.33 | acu | tartO : I am sure you visited this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 16:48.46 | jeee | I have a RJ45 connection |
| 16:48.59 | jeee | a wired connection |
| 16:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | cypha: Debian more traditionally expects you to perform administrative tasks FROM THE CONSOLE ONLY logged in as root or using su -. |
| 16:49.03 | Bushmills | cypha: sounds awful |
| 16:49.10 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: ok,i missing apt-get |
| 16:49.19 | agon42 | use dpkg |
| 16:49.22 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: Can you use aptitude instead? |
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| 16:49.40 | cypha | Sevet, is it in the default install? |
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| 16:49.49 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: Why do you think its missing? |
| 16:50.25 | tarto | acu: the problem is that ifconfig cannot set up wlan0 : blabla No such Device |
| 16:50.38 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: because the wireless is not find the wifi modem. |
| 16:51.07 | cypha | jhutchins, so how can I make it possible to sudo? |
| 16:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | cypha: See the pm from dpkg. |
| 16:51.27 | nsadmin | first... install sudo :) |
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| 16:51.38 | acu | tarto: first what do you see if you do lspci |
| 16:51.42 | nsadmin | then cause your plain user to be a sudoer |
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| 16:51.48 | cypha | ah, ok |
| 16:51.49 | cypha | thanks |
| 16:51.54 | acu | do you know exactly what card you have ? tarto |
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| 16:52.26 | tarto | acu: it's the intel Advance 6230 |
| 16:52.27 | acu | oh - you were saying tarto that lspci did not see the card |
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| 16:52.44 | tarto | acu: lspci | grep Wireless don't show anything |
| 16:52.44 | Sevet | cypha: "is it in the default install" not a clue |
| 16:52.44 | acu | is this a laptop - did it work before ? |
| 16:52.58 | tarto | acu: no, hehe |
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| 16:53.23 | acu | tarto: do not know - this seem to be a hardware issue - card dead, not sitting in the slot whatever |
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| 16:53.35 | tarto | acu: on windows it is working fine |
| 16:53.47 | acu | oh -that what I wanted to ask |
| 16:53.49 | tarto | acu: and live linux also |
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| 16:54.03 | Sevet | cypha: oh, you asking about su or the convo i was having with jeee? |
| 16:54.15 | cypha | sudo |
| 16:54.30 | Sevet | cypha: sudo and su are 2 different commands. sudo=run as user, su=switch to user |
| 16:54.40 | Sevet | afaik sudo is not in the default install, but you can do 'apt-get install sudo' |
| 16:54.51 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 16:55.06 | mehrdad | jhutchins_lt: i think i'm not clear ask for u? |
| 16:55.06 | abrotman | and depending on the options you choose if oyu use tasksel, it is part of the "default" |
| 16:55.07 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: are there any unidentified pci devices? |
| 16:55.12 | nsadmin | so maybe you want to boot live linux, make sure card works, then do lsmod > ~/lsmod.txt |
| 16:55.19 | acu | oh - I see - what debian did you install - maybe you have some IRQ conflict - what live cd Knoppix - it maybe the BIOS sometimes I take that pluganplay OS - no - or other options what operating system - not windows - that is bios setup - but I really do not know - sorry |
| 16:55.30 | Bushmills | though he'f probably like to do sudo aptitude install sudo :) |
| 16:55.38 | jeee | afk |
| 16:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | mehrdad: I don't know what you have or how you got into this situation. Can you pastebin the command you're trying to use and it's output? |
| 16:56.28 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 16:56.42 | cypha | when I ran Root Terminal, I got a messages saying "Granted permissions without asking for password" |
| 16:56.46 | cypha | same thing for synaptec |
| 16:56.49 | tarto | acu: it was backtrack and i think it's debian based |
| 16:57.07 | cypha | how'd that happen? |
| 16:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | !bt |
| 16:57.10 | dpkg | hmm... bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>. |
| 16:57.30 | nsadmin | Bushmills, and of course if that installs something, it won't work :) |
| 16:57.30 | acu | tarto: I do not know - if even lscpi does not recognize it - do not know |
| 16:57.43 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Is there a switch or hotkey to enable wifi? |
| 16:57.55 | nsadmin | you can't do sudo aptitude install sudo is no sudo yet! |
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| 16:58.16 | nsadmin | er IF no sudo yet |
| 16:58.24 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: yes and it's one, maybe it is the issue... |
| 16:58.29 | tarto | on |
| 16:58.49 | Bushmills | maybe he needs to do aptitude install aptitude first? |
| 16:59.05 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: dmesg might show something on start-up or if you toggle it off and back on. |
| 16:59.17 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: It's possible for the light to be on but the hardware to be off. |
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| 16:59.47 | nsadmin | Bushmills, or the more likely to-work version, apt-get install aptitude |
| 16:59.57 | nsadmin | unless this is an upgrade of aptitude |
| 16:59.59 | cypha | I added "raj" to the sudoers file by doing "adduser raj sudo" in the root terminal...but it's still saying that raj isn't in the sudoers file, and the incident will be reported |
| 17:00.27 | Bushmills | "can't create lock file - are you root?" :D |
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| 17:00.54 | movl | cypha: visudo |
| 17:00.57 | cahoot | cypha, man visudo |
| 17:01.00 | nsadmin | adduser raj sudo will add raj to group "sudo" and unless adduser has heuristic, it will not affect sudoers file |
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| 17:01.19 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: well, "New full speed USB device using ehci_hcd blabla" |
| 17:01.34 | cypha | i was in Root Terminal, nsadmin |
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| 17:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | cypha: raj will need to log out and log back in for the change to take effect. |
| 17:01.56 | cypha | oh |
| 17:02.09 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Is it a USB based device? Cell-phone network? |
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| 17:02.15 | nsadmin | oh ok, so: echo "- $PATH" and show that whole line |
| 17:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: lsusb should hsow it. |
| 17:02.20 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: not at all |
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| 17:02.54 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: well it's seem to show in lsusb |
| 17:03.06 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: when i push the button |
| 17:03.19 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: but maybe it's just the light |
| 17:03.23 | SNow | Sevet: I am trying dump with master-data |
| 17:03.29 | SNow | but if that doesn work, then i don't know.. |
| 17:03.31 | SNow | what happened |
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| 17:03.49 | SNow | fuck, it didin't |
| 17:04.40 | sisif | Quick noob question - how do i format a USB mstick which appears as read-only? (did tried to mount it as rw - no workie) |
| 17:05.14 | nsadmin | well you're going to have to resolve why it's read only first and correct that |
| 17:05.19 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: found it : 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 0091 (rev 34) |
| 17:05.30 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: but in lspci |
| 17:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: lspci -nn, post the eight digit identifier. |
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| 17:06.29 | tarto | it is the card |
| 17:06.37 | cypha | jhutchins, great,k it was the restart I needed |
| 17:06.45 | sisif | nsadmin, I get "mount: block device /dev/sdc is write-protected, mounting read-only" when I do mount -o rw /dev/device /mnt_point |
| 17:06.55 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: the 8086:0091 is Centrino Advanced-N 6230 |
| 17:06.57 | cypha | so I don't need to aptitude install anything regarding sudo, right? |
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| 17:07.07 | cypha | cuz I have it installed |
| 17:07.14 | cypha | if I can do "sudo ls" |
| 17:07.18 | nsadmin | sisif, so, you need to find out why |
| 17:07.25 | cypha | or is there some additional package everyone is referring to downloading |
| 17:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Last i checked "Centrino" was a CPU, not a network device. |
| 17:07.42 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 8086:0091 |
| 17:07.44 | judd | [8086:0091] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0091 |
| 17:07.54 | Sevet | cypha: were you logged in at the time? if you add yourself to a group it only takes effect at login, so you need to log out and in again... no restart needed |
| 17:07.56 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/8086/0091 |
| 17:08.00 | SNow | Sevet: -master-data did not help ;/ |
| 17:08.14 | cypha | Sevet, yes, I took care of that |
| 17:08.32 | cypha | Sevet, I was just concerned because people were saying the sudo package is missing |
| 17:08.44 | cypha | in debian |
| 17:08.47 | cypha | and I'd need to install it |
| 17:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | cypha: Depending on how you installed the system it's either installed but not active or not installed. |
| 17:09.30 | nsadmin | can I run linux-3.* in squeeze? how? |
| 17:09.53 | cypha | jhutchins, so if I can do "sudo ls" it's installed fine, or would there be something else that might still need activating? |
| 17:10.11 | nsadmin | (it does not appear in apt-cache search) |
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| 17:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | cypha: Two requirements: Installed, user made member of group. |
| 17:10.44 | Sevet | um, how come the source package for linux-image-3.0.0-1 in sid is linux-2.6? |
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| 17:11.02 | cypha | jhutchins, ah ok, meaning I'm good to go |
| 17:11.07 | Sevet | nsadmin: it's in wheezy/sid |
| 17:11.10 | cypha | since I just did "adduser" |
| 17:11.14 | jhutchins_lt | cypha: If it's not installed you get "bash: sudo: command not found". |
| 17:11.17 | nsadmin | hmm. that's an interesting question |
| 17:11.30 | cypha | k, cool |
| 17:11.33 | Sevet | you could try installing those packages on squeeze, but there might be interesting problems in doing so. don't think it's in backports. |
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| 17:11.43 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:11.44 | nsadmin | Sevet, I thought I saw it in backports |
| 17:11.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 17:12.18 | nsadmin | so it's not there |
| 17:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Right. |
| 17:12.29 | tarto | http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/ how to install these drives ? |
| 17:12.35 | tarto | *drivers |
| 17:12.36 | Sevet | nsadmin: doesn't appear to be in squeeze-backports (http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3.0) |
| 17:12.38 | nsadmin | ok, that answers that |
| 17:12.40 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: There's been some discussion of porting it, but I don't think there's a conclsion, it's too new. |
| 17:13.12 | nsadmin | Sevet: at the moment I have squeeze backports enabled.... |
| 17:13.20 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Most intel chipsets are supported by the Debian kernel, with the exception of the graphics on some newer sandy bridge systems. |
| 17:13.26 | nsadmin | patpats his /etc/apt/sources.list.m4 |
| 17:13.58 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Some intel network controllers do require firmware. Finding the actual chipset will help you figure out what you need in DebiaN. |
| 17:14.14 | nsadmin | and even so 3.* doesn't appear in apt-cache search |
| 17:14.18 | sisif | nsadmin, apparently mkfs solved the issude:D |
| 17:14.21 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: that's the point im on a sandy bridge laptop |
| 17:14.39 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Which release? |
| 17:14.57 | nsadmin | sisif: oh, so it wasn't originally formatted (uhoh, did you lose data?) |
| 17:14.58 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean by release ? |
| 17:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: The pciid you posted was for your CPU, not your wifi. Squeeze? |
| 17:15.17 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: 6.0.3? |
| 17:15.27 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: no it was the wifi card |
| 17:15.40 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 17:15.43 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: A centrino is a CPU. |
| 17:15.44 | sisif | nsadmin, I previously dd some ubuntu .iso on it. I think that was the problem |
| 17:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: You might try the .39 kernel if you want to just randomly try stuff. |
| 17:16.07 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 17:16.13 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: no, it's not, it just a named for low power management system |
| 17:16.23 | nsadmin | so you didn't lose any of your own original material |
| 17:16.34 | sisif | nsadmin, meh. or not. apparently mkfs lied to me. |
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| 17:17.10 | nsadmin | when you mount it, what filesystem type does it say is there? |
| 17:17.28 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Regardless, it's not a wifi controller. |
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| 17:17.44 | sisif | nsadmin, Hiddend HPFS / NTFS |
| 17:18.19 | nsadmin | hmm, so maybe it's ntfs and you don't have the rw ntfs driver? |
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| 17:18.51 | nsadmin | btw, before you do mkfs you should unmount :) |
| 17:19.05 | sisif | nsadmin, isn`t it any way to just format it to smthing else ? |
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| 17:19.19 | nsadmin | sure, but unmount it first |
| 17:19.33 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: where did you find out that is not a wireless controller ? |
| 17:19.33 | sisif | nsadmin, it is unmounted |
| 17:19.35 | nsadmin | mkfs -t thetypeyouwant |
| 17:19.55 | nsadmin | and count to 10 before hitting enter |
| 17:20.16 | nsadmin | make sure everything is exactly right first |
| 17:20.34 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: because google say something different : http://www.google.com/search?q=8086%3A0091 |
| 17:20.39 | sisif | nsadmin, again, i get the "read only file system while setting up superblock |
| 17:20.57 | nsadmin | so it's mounted? |
| 17:21.16 | nsadmin | what filesystem type? |
| 17:21.45 | nsadmin | the device itself is set read-only? |
| 17:21.57 | nsadmin | the device is damaged? |
| 17:22.30 | nsadmin | a DIFFERENT filesystem is presently mounted read-only? |
| 17:22.59 | ompaul | sisif: please pastebin in paste.debian.net the output of mount and df -h |
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| 17:23.10 | sisif | nsadmin, it`s definitely NOT mounted. As for FS type, fdisk -l shows "hidden HPFS/ NTFS" |
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| 17:23.44 | ompaul | sisif: and add in fdisk -l while you are at it :) |
| 17:23.44 | nsadmin | ok, and, is that the filesystem type you want? |
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| 17:25.13 | sisif | nsadmin, I don`t care about FS. I just want to unlock it. Like, to be able to write on it , regardless of what |
| 17:25.32 | jhutchins_lt | !iwlagn |
| 17:25.32 | dpkg | iwlagn is a Linux kernel module supporting Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 17:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: Have a look at that, see if it gets you anywhere. |
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| 17:28.36 | sisif | ompaul, nsadmin : there you go http://paste.debian.net/136031/ |
| 17:28.50 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: i've already done that |
| 17:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | !de |
| 17:30.03 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 17:34.57 | ompaul | sisif so you have installed ubuntu on a stick, I see no evidence of NTFS so I have no idea (A) why you are asking in #debian (B) what it is you are doing as you didn't do what I actually asked. |
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| 17:36.37 | sisif | ompaul, fdisk -l DOES show NTFS on it (don`t ask mey WHY it does). Als, you have the mount / df -h pasted, as requested |
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| 17:37.15 | sisif | ompaul, and I`m currently asking here because ATM I`m on a debian distro |
| 17:37.22 | B08 | Hi there |
| 17:37.43 | ompaul | sisif: you gave arguments to mount that was not requested |
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| 17:37.53 | B08 | could some one expain the command sed and awk please I am so lost and the man pages scare me :>) |
| 17:38.13 | boudiccas | sisif; can you post the outcome of ......... cat /etc/debian_version ..... in channel please |
| 17:38.15 | B08 | I dont understand the man pages or it |
| 17:38.17 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: ubuntu is not "a debian distro". |
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| 17:39.02 | jhutchins_lt | B08: I have a fairly thick book on sed and awk from O'Reilly and I don't really understand them. |
| 17:39.09 | sisif | boudiccas, it`s weehy/sd |
| 17:39.10 | B08 | :>) |
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| 17:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | You might ask in #bash |
| 17:39.35 | ompaul | B08: you use sed to edit lines in files either in place (hard) or redirected (easy) |
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| 17:39.38 | cypha | I can't tell if Debian is simply faster than my ubuntu because it's brand new with hardly any stuff on it...or if it's actually faster |
| 17:39.45 | cypha | I can't find benchmarks online |
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| 17:39.53 | boudiccas | sisif; i dont know what distro you're running, but on what you've just told us, its not debian |
| 17:39.54 | B08 | ompaul: Thanks |
| 17:39.54 | ompaul | B08: you use awk to print things that you find in lines of data |
| 17:39.57 | cypha | anyone know of a site where it's been benchmarked for speed? |
| 17:40.10 | B08 | bows to ompaul |
| 17:40.11 | ompaul | B08: and I did not do either of them justice there :) |
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| 17:40.24 | themill | cypha: it's hard to believe that identical installs would be any different. |
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| 17:40.38 | cypha | k |
| 17:40.53 | sisif | root@Tech:/mnt# lsb_release -a / Distributor ID:Debian / Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0-updates (squeeze) / Release:6.0-updates / Codename:squeeze |
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| 17:41.05 | sisif | Seems like debian to me |
| 17:41.35 | Justin | sisif: file -s /dev/sdc /dev/sdc1 |
| 17:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: A lot of people wast time here thinking that ubuntu is debian, that's why we're picky about it. |
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| 17:42.10 | sisif | jhutchins_lt , i know that :) |
| 17:42.14 | themill | sisif: close... but interestingly, that's not what debian outputs for lsb-release. |
| 17:42.50 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: i give up |
| 17:43.17 | sisif | themill, I`m felling like on reddit doing a AMA / proof of ID |
| 17:43.20 | jhutchins_lt | tarto: sorry. |
| 17:43.29 | B08 | lets say I have a file called file.txt in this file on line 52 it says Name="hello world " and I also have a file named test.txt and on the line 52 it says "hello there " I want to move line 52 from file.txt to line 52 of test.txt would sed or awk be used for that ? I know that I could do it from a text editor but I am trying to learn about sed and awk |
| 17:43.32 | sisif | themill, a printscreen would satifsy you better? |
| 17:44.01 | themill | sisif: I'm just curious as to why it gives a different answer. |
| 17:44.18 | Justin | themill: he's probably behind on updates |
| 17:44.40 | themill | Justin: no, the information is in a different format |
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| 17:44.52 | Justin | themill: it's the same format, he just wrapped the lines |
| 17:45.00 | themill | Justin: it is not. |
| 17:45.06 | tarto | i'll try tomorrow |
| 17:45.10 | sisif | Justin, file -s outputs "/dev/sdc: # ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Ubuntu 11.10 i386 ' (bootable)" |
| 17:45.15 | Justin | themill: Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 (squeeze) Release: 6.0.3 Codename: squeeze |
| 17:45.22 | tarto | jhutchins_lt: thank you for your help |
| 17:45.23 | themill | Justin: now play compare. |
| 17:45.45 | ompaul | Justin: Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2 (squeeze) |
| 17:45.58 | Justin | themill: other than the version number it's identical |
| 17:45.59 | themill | Justin: last time I did lexical comparisons, "-updates" != ".3" |
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| 17:46.07 | Justin | themill: like I said "he's probably behind on updates" |
| 17:46.22 | ompaul | Justin: I have updates enabled on that box |
| 17:46.31 | themill | Justin: so exactly which updates suddenly changed the format of the information? |
| 17:46.46 | sisif | Oh, could we stop already with the updates / what ever |
| 17:47.01 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: It matters. |
| 17:47.05 | Justin | themill: that's not part of the format, that's the version number. I don't know why his version is old |
| 17:47.11 | Justin | ompaul: you should check that |
| 17:47.19 | Justin | 6.0.3 was released 4 days ag |
| 17:47.26 | sisif | themill, sorry, but I couldn`t care less if you believe that my debian distro is genuine or not |
| 17:47.30 | ompaul | Justin: I was logging in for an update |
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| 17:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: Yes, but 6.0.2 doesn't say -updates |
| 17:47.43 | ompaul | Justin: it is not a very popular machine that one |
| 17:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: We wonder where that format comes from. |
| 17:48.07 | ompaul | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 (squeeze) |
| 17:48.14 | ompaul | Justin: ^^ updated now for a reboot |
| 17:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | sisif: What arch is this? |
| 17:48.25 | sisif | amd_64 |
| 17:48.38 | Justin | jhutchins_lt: i think the version comes directly from /etc/debian_version |
| 17:48.56 | themill | Justin: it does not |
| 17:49.12 | Justin | themill: oh yeah? |
| 17:49.18 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: Tias. |
| 17:49.22 | sisif | Lolz |
| 17:49.42 | themill | jhutchins_lt: it *can* come from /etc/debian_version. It does not always. |
| 17:49.54 | themill | Justin: ^ |
| 17:50.29 | sisif | themill : http://paste.debian.net/136033/ |
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| 17:51.54 | ompaul | sisif: so you are running testing |
| 17:52.00 | sisif | themill, would you also liek to see my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:52.06 | sisif | ompaul, yes, I do |
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| 17:53.33 | themill | I'm still curious why I can't get that lsb_release output on any system... squeeze, wheezy or sid. What version of the lsb-release package do you have? |
| 17:53.35 | ompaul | sisif: please join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net methinks more people running SID and testing hang out there |
| 17:53.36 | sisif | Btw, updating to kernel 3.xx -- soo SOOOO slow |
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| 17:54.01 | ompaul | sisif: are you in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade right now as we speak? |
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| 17:54.19 | sisif | ompaul, noup |
| 17:54.24 | Justin | themill: apparently it uses the output of apt-cache policy |
| 17:54.45 | Justin | themill: he must have an apt source that has a release of 6.0-updates |
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| 17:55.21 | ompaul | sisif: given what was just said I guess you need to give us your sources.list please |
| 17:55.41 | sisif | Haha :D One sec |
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| 17:56.13 | Justin | sisif: oh heh, do you just want to reformat that usb drive? |
| 17:56.46 | JordiGH | I tried to disable the swap partition in order to run out of memory instead of thrashing whenever I stupidly wrote a program that used up al the memory. Instead, I seem to be observing even worse thrashing now, and from atop I see that apparently every process is spending all of its time reading from disk. Can someone explain this? |
| 17:57.04 | Justin | dd'ing those debian/unbutu hybrid isos really confuses a lot of things.. the easiest way to fix that is to just dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1M and then fdisk and recreate a sane partition table |
| 17:57.16 | cantido | JordiGH: you can change the swappiness.. |
| 17:57.34 | sisif | Justin, lemme try that. thanks |
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| 17:57.55 | ompaul | JordiGH: your machine wants to work for you, you are asking it to run out of ram, but it wants to work for you so it has to clear out ram and then load from disk the next segment of whatever |
| 17:58.00 | Justin | jhutchins_lt: when you completely run out of ram all the ram used for disk cache gets repurposed |
| 17:58.03 | Justin | grrr |
| 17:58.14 | cantido | JordiGH: I guess the thrashing from having no disk cache |
| 17:58.25 | sisif | Aaand, my repos, as requested: http://paste.debian.net/136038/ |
| 17:58.55 | ompaul | sisif: kill the squeeze named things |
| 17:59.13 | Justin | and don't mix wheezy and testing, pick one |
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| 17:59.24 | sisif | sorry ? |
| 18:00.05 | ompaul | sisif: why have you got testing and wheezy you want to break your machine when wheezy is released or what? |
| 18:00.18 | ompaul | sisif: your sources are a mess |
| 18:00.24 | sisif | ompaul, i know :D |
| 18:00.33 | JordiGH | Okay, I guess the real solution instead is to set pretty strict ulimits. |
| 18:00.35 | sisif | Too lazy to clean it up |
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| 18:00.50 | ompaul | sisif: well then we just got so lazy you got yourself ignored |
| 18:01.02 | Sevet | JordiGH: use ulimit to cap the memory usage, that'll be a better approach than disabling the swap |
| 18:01.12 | ompaul | sisif: I can't speak for others, but frankly you borked your machine some |
| 18:01.24 | ompaul | sisif: fix your sources |
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| 18:01.36 | ompaul | testing or wheezy but not both |
| 18:01.58 | sisif | ompaul, gotha. lemme take care of that |
| 18:02.10 | ompaul | sisif: and kill off the lines with squeeze in it |
| 18:02.22 | ompaul | then d-u and go to #debian-next on irc.oftc |
| 18:02.35 | sisif | already in there |
| 18:02.40 | ompaul | people and their frankendebian boxes |
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| 18:03.16 | Justin | sisif: oh, and I meant bs=1M count=1, you only need to overwrite the beginning of the drive |
| 18:03.27 | sisif | Too late now :D |
| 18:03.33 | ompaul | sisif: what nick ... you are not from what I see |
| 18:03.40 | ompaul | and lets abandon this channel |
| 18:03.51 | ompaul | so it can be used for stable users |
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| 18:04.20 | porton | OpenOffice or LibreOffice? |
| 18:04.33 | PerfDave | ... Yes? |
| 18:04.51 | Benkinooby | is there something for linux that is compareable to active directory in windows? |
| 18:05.18 | PerfDave | Benkinooby: Active Directory is an LDAP implementation. OpenLDAP is a popular LDAP implementation for GNU/Linux and other operatign systems. |
| 18:05.28 | Justin | AD is basically ldap+kerberos |
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| 18:06.21 | Benkinooby | PerfDave, ok, so LDAP is the word to search for ... thank you :) |
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| 18:07.31 | jeee | hé, c'est quoi la ligne qu'il faut ajouter au /etc/apt/sources.list pour ajouter les paquets non-free et contrib |
| 18:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | !fr |
| 18:08.12 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 18:08.18 | jeee | hey, what do we have to add to etc/apt/sources.list to add the contrib & non-free |
| 18:08.22 | xvilka | hi! are there any way install debian without debootstrap? in chroot |
| 18:08.24 | jeee | yeah, sorry |
| 18:08.42 | jeee | I did a mistake speaking french |
| 18:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: np. Just add contrib non-free after main |
| 18:09.14 | PerfDave | xvilka: What's wrong with debootstrap? |
| 18:09.30 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: Space seperated, no quotes or anything. |
| 18:10.12 | jeee | but does thanks |
| 18:10.18 | jeee | -but does |
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| 18:11.03 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 18:11.25 | jeee | don't work |
| 18:11.31 | xvilka | PerfDave: it cant build on my system |
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| 18:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:12.23 | Levende | does apt have a feature to install packages to a seperate, isolated root filesystem? let's say I have a directory tree in /diskless , I know with portage I can go "emerge --root/diskless" and it will install packages to this root FS... can I do the same with apt? |
| 18:12.25 | PerfDave | xvilka: What's your system? |
| 18:12.37 | PerfDave | Levende: Chroot into it? |
| 18:12.58 | jeee | still don't work |
| 18:13.03 | bemawi | for information : #debian-fr Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited, but we have #debianfr |
| 18:13.05 | jeee | myabe did i a mistake |
| 18:13.17 | jeee | what's in your |
| 18:13.36 | xvilka | PerfDave: gentoo |
| 18:13.53 | PerfDave | xvilka: I'd ask #gentoo why debootstrap doesn't build then :) |
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| 18:14.09 | xvilka | PerfDave: i've filled bug |
| 18:14.17 | Levende | PerfDave no... chrooting with entail that the package manager was configured, along with a number of other things, in the isolated filesystem.... |
| 18:14.24 | Levende | *would entail |
| 18:14.27 | PerfDave | xvilka: Does the Debian install manual say anything useful? |
| 18:14.28 | jeee | jhutchins_lt: what's in yours? |
| 18:14.33 | nsadmin | mmm! creamfilled bug! |
| 18:14.33 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:14.44 | AthomIk | exist drivers for windows machine on kvm debian wheezy, i see slow vm... ? |
| 18:14.58 | jeee | can you pastebin everythong which is on sources.list? |
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| 18:15.04 | xvilka | PerfDave: what you mean? |
| 18:15.09 | AthomIk | but my disk is green disk, and is a slow drive.... |
| 18:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze sources |
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| 18:15.27 | jeee | maybe did i write something wrong on it |
| 18:15.37 | jeee | nothings happening |
| 18:15.38 | PerfDave | xvilka: The manual that tells you how to install Debian, does it mention any ways to install Debian into a chroot without debootstrap |
| 18:15.42 | PerfDave | ? |
| 18:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | !sources.list |
| 18:15.53 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:16.11 | jeee | haha |
| 18:16.20 | jeee | I just forgot the update |
| 18:16.23 | jeee | thanks |
| 18:16.30 | porton | Why I have a trouble installing LibreOffice? http://paste.debian.net/136048/ |
| 18:16.44 | xvilka | PerfDave: no, only debootstrap is here |
| 18:16.48 | karlpinc | AthomIk: Depends on the vm and what's the host and what's in the vm. And if you don't get 4KB alignment right on some of these drives that also really slows things down. |
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| 18:17.15 | jeee | I've still something wrang |
| 18:17.19 | PerfDave | porton: Uhm, which branch of Debian are you running? |
| 18:17.29 | porton | PerfDave: 6.0.3 |
| 18:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: You an pastebin it and we can see what the problem might be. What error you getting? |
| 18:17.51 | hehehe | hello I have troubles with conky packages, when I updated after adding to sources.list it says "failed to fetch" - here's the error http://pastebin.com/Rd6PXweN |
| 18:18.14 | karlpinc | porton: Did you do an "aptitude update" after putting backports into your sources.list? |
| 18:18.23 | jeee | it's okay, i wrote something wrong on it which has nothing to do there |
| 18:18.25 | PerfDave | porton: libreoffice isn't in Debian 6 |
| 18:18.43 | karlpinc | PerfDave: It's in bdo. |
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| 18:19.01 | PerfDave | karlpinc: OK, so porton isn't running Debian 6, he's running some hybrid |
| 18:19.16 | porton | PerfDave: So do you suggest to continue using OpenOffice? |
| 18:19.18 | karlpinc | PerfDave: Debian supports backports.debian.org. |
| 18:19.21 | jeee | hum, i'll pastebin it |
| 18:20.00 | AthomIk | karlpinc: how get 4KB alignment ? is a fdisk option ? mkfs option ? |
| 18:20.01 | porton | PerfDave: http://paste.debian.net/136049/ |
| 18:20.02 | karlpinc | PerfDave: Although, we've not seen his sources.list so perhaps he's got some funky stuff in there that's not supported. |
| 18:20.02 | PerfDave | porton: If you don't have a good reason to mess around with backports, I wouldn't bother. |
| 18:20.12 | karlpinc | !tell AthomIk about 4kb |
| 18:20.27 | porton | OK, thanks, I will for now keep OpenOffice |
| 18:20.42 | karlpinc | AthomIk: You only need it if your drive has 4k sectors. (Some do, and lie and say they don't, so it's tricky.) |
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| 18:21.23 | porton | http://paste.debian.net/136049/ - my sources.list |
| 18:21.25 | karlpinc | porton: That is simplest. |
| 18:21.26 | xvilka | are there any something like LFS-way? manual to do by hands |
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| 18:21.44 | owner | i'm jee on the other pc |
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| 18:22.09 | AthomIk | karlpinc: ok thanks i read the web ling |
| 18:22.12 | AthomIk | link |
| 18:22.13 | owner | so that http://pastebin.com/xCpTHks0 is what's inside my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:23.02 | clustermagnet | hey guys…. configure: error: OpenGL libraries not available |
| 18:23.06 | clustermagnet | which package do i need? |
| 18:23.14 | PerfDave | One with opengl libraries in? |
| 18:23.15 | hehehe | hello I have troubles with conky packages, when I updated after adding to sources.list it says "failed to fetch" - here's the error http://pastebin.com/Rd6PXweN |
| 18:23.18 | jeee | hey, is there something wrong on it? http://pastebin.com/xCpTHks0 |
| 18:23.19 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: What are yyou you trying to do? |
| 18:23.27 | hehehe | Do you think it is corrupted or I did something wrong? |
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| 18:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: looking |
| 18:23.41 | clustermagnet | PerfDave python build-wxpython.py --build_dir=../bld --install |
| 18:23.42 | nsadmin | clustermagnet one which contains those libs and headers |
| 18:23.48 | jeee | ok, thx |
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| 18:23.55 | clustermagnet | no kidding, really? :) |
| 18:23.55 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: That doesn't tell me anything that helps me help you |
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| 18:24.19 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: Why not use the Debian-provided wxpython packages? |
| 18:24.23 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: Looks fine to me, what error are you getting? |
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| 18:25.25 | jeee | hum, I'll traduce it |
| 18:25.35 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: because im trying to learn and install |
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| 18:25.48 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: What are you trying to learn? |
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| 18:25.54 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: tried 3 different systems, mac osx, etc, etc |
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| 18:25.58 | clustermagnet | all build systems fucking suck |
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| 18:26.00 | PerfDave | How to mess up your system by mixing packaged and unpackaged libraries? |
| 18:26.07 | gele | Hello. |
| 18:26.21 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: Well it's just as well that Debian maintainers have gone to all the work of building and packaging wxpython for you :) |
| 18:26.22 | AthomIk | karlpinc: for info http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues seem not good, not work or on old modem connection |
| 18:26.22 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: whats wrong with building from source? |
| 18:26.31 | gele | Are there any non-superuser tools for handling LVM partitions? |
| 18:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | !tell jeee about localised errors |
| 18:26.40 | clustermagnet | gele: lvscan? |
| 18:26.42 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: It's usually pointless, and it's not easy as you've discovered :) |
| 18:26.52 | valdyn | gele: "handling"? |
| 18:26.56 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: so… apt-get install wxpython … nota |
| 18:26.57 | karlpinc | AthomIk: kernel.org got broken into and has not yet fully recovered. |
| 18:27.26 | valdyn | gele: what do you need? |
| 18:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: I heard they were back up recently. |
| 18:27.39 | nsadmin | clustermagnet, nothing, except it might duplicate work and something could have been configured in a specific way |
| 18:27.46 | gele | valdyn: Basically I have disk images containing LVM physical volumes, and I want to manipulate the logical volumes and filesystems on them (resize, fsck etc). |
| 18:27.54 | karlpinc | AthomIk: You might find something cached on google, possibly. In any case it's not certain what your problem is. The 4kb alignment could be the problem, or not. |
| 18:28.00 | AthomIk | karlpinc: yes i thing i have this probleme because my drive is very low, i think |
| 18:28.02 | valdyn | gele: so? |
| 18:28.03 | clustermagnet | right… so by searching apt-cache search gl.h i get nothing :( |
| 18:28.30 | clustermagnet | and when i search for wx, i get a ton of stuff, which im not sure i need |
| 18:28.33 | PerfDave | Why would you expect that to work, clustermagnet? |
| 18:28.37 | PerfDave | apt-cache search wxpython |
| 18:28.41 | PerfDave | Install the packages |
| 18:28.47 | PerfDave | Don't bother with compiling |
| 18:28.54 | gele | valdyn: So it seems that only root can activate volume groups to access the logical volumes, and I want to do it without being root. |
| 18:28.58 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: which packages? all 20 of the ones? |
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| 18:29.03 | nsadmin | if you want to search for a file by name, you can do that... with apt-file |
| 18:29.10 | nsadmin | !apt-file |
| 18:29.10 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 18:29.14 | valdyn | gele: and what do those "tools" have to do with this? |
| 18:29.19 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: No idea, I don't use python or wx |
| 18:29.29 | gele | valdyn: What do you mean? |
| 18:29.41 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: wiki.kernel.org does not seem to be responding.... |
| 18:29.42 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: well then :) |
| 18:29.44 | valdyn | gele: i can run "/sbin/lvs" just fine as non-root |
| 18:29.58 | clustermagnet | this heavily depends on version of python im building apps for |
| 18:30.01 | valdyn | gele: and i get a very specific error message |
| 18:30.02 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: Searching for the thing you want to use and then looking at the package descriptions should help you though |
| 18:30.08 | clustermagnet | therefore what debian decided is good for me, isnt necessarily the case |
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| 18:30.11 | clustermagnet | thats why i build from source |
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| 18:30.22 | clustermagnet | therefore my original quesiton… which package provides gl.h :) |
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| 18:30.33 | PerfDave | clustermagnet: Well, good luck figuring that out, I hope you don't trash your system too badly |
| 18:30.39 | gele | valdyn: Can lvs create a representation of a logical volume that something like resize2fs understands? |
| 18:30.49 | clustermagnet | PerfDave: xen domU, snapshots, who cares |
| 18:30.54 | karlpinc | clustermagnet: Feel free, but then you have to do all these sorts of system's integration and security-keeping-up-with yourself. There's a reason why distro's exist. |
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| 18:31.05 | clustermagnet | karlpinc: sure, i get it |
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| 18:31.08 | valdyn | gele: thats a new topic, no it cant, that makes no sense |
| 18:31.16 | clustermagnet | so, back to original question. … gl.h… wtf |
| 18:31.30 | gele | I was thinking there might be some FUSE-like tool. |
| 18:31.45 | PerfDave | The version of wxpython in Debian will work with the version of wx in Debian and the version of python in Debian, funnily enough :) |
| 18:32.04 | clustermagnet | and the friggin mac ports for python 2.7 / wx are messed right now… |
| 18:32.07 | clustermagnet | this is silly week |
| 18:32.08 | clustermagnet | sigh |
| 18:32.09 | karlpinc | clustermagnet: If you're not going to use Debian's features you might find get better help on #python. Dunno. |
| 18:32.35 | clustermagnet | karlpinc: but the gl.h is a debian related question |
| 18:32.45 | valdyn | gele: i was thinking you should just read the error message before you ask about "tools" |
| 18:32.45 | clustermagnet | which debian package provides the headers for OpenGL :) |
| 18:32.58 | karlpinc | !tell clustermagnet about apt-file |
| 18:33.13 | gele | valdyn: "Running as a non-root user. Functionality may be unavailable" ? |
| 18:33.41 | jeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.42 | jeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.42 | jeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.42 | jeee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.52 | clustermagnet | karlpinc: thx |
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| 18:34.01 | jeee | oops |
| 18:34.34 | karlpinc | clustermagnet: I also find debtags useful. See also the <search> factoid. |
| 18:34.52 | clustermagnet | karlpinc: solved…. mesa-common-dev |
| 18:34.55 | clustermagnet | thanks pplz |
| 18:35.02 | jeee | http://pastebin.com/G2bKxNNT |
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| 18:35.21 | clustermagnet | now if pyinstaller /cxfreeze work ok in deb… i may develop more on domU vs my macs |
| 18:35.31 | clustermagnet | thanks ppl |
| 18:35.33 | jeee | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/G2bKxNNT |
| 18:35.34 | gele | Never mind, I'll just use qemu and do the manipulations as root inside the VM. |
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| 18:36.21 | clustermagnet | gele: you trying to locally mount something you were presenting to qemu? |
| 18:36.38 | clustermagnet | ie, /dev/VolGroupX/logicalvolume to a domU |
| 18:36.39 | clustermagnet | ? |
| 18:36.56 | clustermagnet | ive thought of that before... |
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| 18:37.02 | gele | clustermagnet: Not mount, but manipulate the logical volumes and filesystems inside them. |
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| 18:37.10 | clustermagnet | like… if you need to for some reason mount locally to fsck or something... |
| 18:37.16 | clustermagnet | gele: got ya |
| 18:37.17 | clustermagnet | uhm |
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| 18:37.30 | clustermagnet | gele: its an interesting question, ya? |
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| 18:38.10 | jeee | jhutchins_lt? |
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| 18:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions acx100 |
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| 18:39.01 | judd | No package named 'acx100' was found in i386. |
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| 18:39.49 | gele | clustermagnet: It seems to be a case of LVM being to restrictive. If I have read/write access to the disk images with the physical volumes on, as a non-root user, there's no valid reason that I shouldn't be allowed to modify the volumes. |
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| 18:39.55 | jeee | i followed this http://wiki.debian.org/acx#Firmware |
| 18:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | !acx100 |
| 18:40.47 | dpkg | acx is a reverse-engineered driver for Texas Instruments 802.11b/g (ACX100/TNETW1100, ACX111/TNETW1130, ACX100USB) wireless LAN chipsets. It does not support <WPA>. Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/acx for installation instructions. This driver is not available for Squeeze due to Debian bug #563474 (package orphaned, BTS #581519). For the mac80211 port, ask me about <acx-mac80211>. |
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| 18:41.31 | jeee | in some way, the porpose is in fact to connect to a WEP key, is it possible? |
| 18:41.37 | clustermagnet | gele: anyting in /etc/lvm.conf that you can modify? |
| 18:41.42 | valdyn | gele: ( thats not serious ) chmod 777 /dev/mapper/control ; chmod -R 777 /var/lock/lvm |
| 18:42.07 | jeee | they say WPA is not supported but they do'n tell about WEP |
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| 18:42.23 | gele | valdyn: Yes, that still requires being root while doing that though. |
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| 18:42.59 | valdyn | gele: yea |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | jeee: in the installer? yes, you can use WEP |
| 18:43.22 | jeee | cool |
| 18:43.26 | gele | This seems like a good candidate for a FUSE fs. Mount the image of a physical volume, get a filesystem containing the logical volumes as files. |
| 18:43.44 | jeee | but is ther a solution to the previous problem? |
| 18:43.47 | valdyn | gele: its a security hole |
| 18:43.57 | valdyn | gele: lvm creates device nodes |
| 18:44.03 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: To begin with, you're running squeeze, acx100-source is not available in squeeze. |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | gele: who's preventing a user from creating existing names? |
| 18:44.35 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: You might be able to download it from the lenny repos and compile it in squeeze, I did not read all the way through the bugreport. |
| 18:44.38 | jeee | and what should i do? install lenny? |
| 18:44.55 | gele | valdyn: No one. But no one prevents the user from inserting disks with identically named LVM volumes on them either. |
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| 18:45.00 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: Consensus earlier was that the chipset was old enough to be dropped from support. |
| 18:45.00 | gele | It's just a case of "don't do that". |
| 18:45.21 | valdyn | gele: you cant compare physical access to this |
| 18:45.27 | jeee | yeah, it's not my computer |
| 18:45.46 | jeee | there was xp on it and someone asked to make it work faster |
| 18:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: You could try using a newer adapter, or you could read the wiki page more carefully, read the whole bugreport, and try to compile it yourself. |
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| 18:45.54 | valdyn | gele: sure physical access means a security issue, but thats not debians job to care for |
| 18:45.56 | nsadmin | how was this chipset supported before? as a module? |
| 18:46.00 | jeee | ... |
| 18:46.09 | jeee | and installing lenny? |
| 18:46.33 | jeee | is it a solution knowing that people using this computer will never see any difference |
| 18:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: lenny _might_ work, but you'd still have to follow the procedure on the wiki page. |
| 18:46.34 | jeee | ? |
| 18:46.38 | gele | valdyn: I'm not saying the FUSE fs would actually create nodes, just that it would prevent the logical volumes as files. If the user has write access to a disk image he can manipulate it anyway he wants (including dd'ing over whatever he wants from another image). |
| 18:46.45 | gele | preSent |
| 18:46.48 | jeee | ok, I'll install lenny i thing |
| 18:47.02 | jeee | goodbye |
| 18:47.27 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: Good luck. |
| 18:47.35 | nsadmin | allgone2 |
| 18:47.45 | valdyn | gele: yea, someone could rewrite lvm in user space |
| 18:47.50 | valdyn | gele: or the part you need |
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| 18:47.55 | gele | Exactly. |
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| 18:48.05 | gele | I wonder how much work that would be. |
| 18:48.07 | owner | oh, and thanks a lot |
| 18:48.10 | nsadmin | why would one do that? |
| 18:48.18 | jeee | thanks a lot |
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| 18:48.29 | jeee | so bye again |
| 18:48.37 | nsadmin | jeee, it's possible you could rebuild kernel |
| 18:48.40 | nsadmin | to get support |
| 18:48.46 | jeee | what? |
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| 18:49.23 | nsadmin | see the wiki page tho, I made a guess, wiki page has more specific info |
| 18:49.27 | jeee | nsadmin how? |
| 18:49.46 | nsadmin | kindof a long story |
| 18:49.56 | lukma | Hi all - I've got some problem with network comunication |
| 18:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | So if the bug was closed in November while squeeze was still testing, why is the package still not in squeeze? |
| 18:50.03 | nsadmin | have you ever built a kernel before? |
| 18:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions acx100-source |
| 18:50.09 | judd | Package: acx100-source on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 20070101-3; sid/contrib: 20080210-1.2; wheezy/contrib: 20080210-1.2 |
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| 18:50.40 | jeee | do you thing i can do that, knowing that i am both not really strong and unlucky? |
| 18:50.50 | lukma | :l #sprc |
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| 18:51.01 | k0nic | hello, i have a problem i cant make ping to my ip (external) everybody can les I (im using that pc) |
| 18:51.03 | nsadmin | well unlucky is your mindset |
| 18:51.09 | k0nic | less* |
| 18:51.11 | nsadmin | you are what you think about |
| 18:51.17 | nsadmin | now turn that around: |
| 18:51.25 | jeee | ^^ |
| 18:51.28 | nsadmin | change your thinking, change what you are |
| 18:51.29 | jeee | ok, let's try |
| 18:51.46 | jeee | where is the wiki? |
| 18:51.57 | jeee | where is it explained |
| 18:52.02 | nsadmin | wiki.debian.org? |
| 18:52.10 | nsadmin | guess. |
| 18:52.11 | k0nic | no body? |
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| 18:52.13 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: http://wiki.debian.org/acx |
| 18:52.13 | jeee | ha, ok |
| 18:52.24 | nsadmin | it's true, I have no body! |
| 18:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: You have to follow ALL the steps, and you have to figure out where to get a copy of acx100-source. |
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| 18:53.06 | nsadmin | so I was close?! |
| 18:53.16 | gele | And while I'm complaining about LVM, it's annoying that pvresize doesn't move the extents to the front when shrinking the physical volume. |
| 18:53.30 | gele | Now I'll stop complaining and get something done instead. |
| 18:53.42 | nsadmin | idea. |
| 18:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | !es |
| 18:54.13 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 18:55.03 | jeee | what's with es? |
| 18:55.27 | jeee | jhutchins_lt that's what i've done |
| 18:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: THat's for k0nic |
| 18:55.38 | jeee | ah |
| 18:55.53 | fesafder | how can i force dhcpclient to send /etc/hostname to the serveur when requestion an address |
| 18:56.05 | jhutchins_lt | !maint acx100-source |
| 18:56.15 | jnix | !de |
| 18:56.15 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 18:56.21 | dpkg | acx100-source: Stefano Canepa <sc@linux.it> |
| 18:56.27 | nsadmin | es has been brought to you in service by the letter e and the letter s. |
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| 18:57.16 | fesafder | looks like by default it sends nothing i would rather not edit /etc/hostname and the dhcpclient conf files on each machine |
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| 18:58.00 | jeee | so, ok, i did that, that don't work on squezee, nsadmin said that i could rebuild my kernel, but i have absolutly no idea about how to do that |
| 18:58.21 | nsadmin | can someone help me find an interrupt issue? my irq 18 was shut down because "nobody cared" |
| 18:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: You just have to get the acx100-package from somewhere - maybe wheezy. |
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| 18:59.09 | valdyn | nsadmin: is there an actual problem? |
| 18:59.14 | jeee | ah, ok |
| 18:59.16 | jhutchins_lt | jeee: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=acx100-source |
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| 18:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I think that means nobody cared that it was shut down. |
| 19:00.00 | nsadmin | valdyn, I'm trying to determine whether mouse freezing is related to irq 18 shut down |
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| 19:00.10 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea, it could be |
| 19:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Is this on a VM? |
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| 19:00.36 | valdyn | nsadmin: i get the same, when rebooting via kexec |
| 19:00.45 | valdyn | nsadmin: you can swithc off the apic |
| 19:00.50 | nsadmin | no, real, on a laptop that is likely capable of doing vm |
| 19:00.57 | architek | fesafder: did you look at send-hostname in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ? |
| 19:00.58 | valdyn | nsadmin: thats a trade for a slowdown, but it might not be significant |
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| 19:01.34 | nsadmin | apic is the interrupt router chip? |
| 19:01.54 | Psi-Jack | chip? |
| 19:02.02 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea, looking up the precise parameter |
| 19:02.10 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 19:02.14 | Psi-Jack | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Programmable_Interrupt_Controller |
| 19:02.42 | nsadmin | but, I wonder if the interrupt is shut down because a "spurrious" interrupt is seen which no driver handles |
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| 19:02.59 | gele | fesafder: Do you mean you want to force it from the DHCP host side without editing the client config? I don't think that's possible. |
| 19:03.18 | valdyn | nsadmin: drivers dont handle those interrupts, hardware does |
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| 19:03.51 | nsadmin | so the failure is in hardware?! |
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| 19:04.24 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea |
| 19:04.35 | nsadmin | is pretty sure that won't make sense to me until/unless I study the details for a few semesters... |
| 19:04.46 | valdyn | nsadmin: but the reason can be broken initialisation or whatever, i dont know this well enough to tell you something useful |
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| 19:05.18 | valdyn | nsadmin: try booting with the "irqpoll" option |
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| 19:05.35 | nsadmin | so, a driver is not supposed to handle the interrupt |
| 19:05.56 | valdyn | nsadmin: this is hardware interrupts |
| 19:06.10 | nsadmin | yeah, the message I get makes the same suggestion (irqpoll) |
| 19:06.11 | valdyn | nsadmin: so they are handled by hardware |
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| 19:07.08 | nsadmin | and the hardware that generates the interrupt may or may not be the same chip as the hardware that handles it? |
| 19:07.16 | fesafder | send host-name "hostname";" may solve my pb |
| 19:07.58 | valdyn | nsadmin: an interrupt is emitted by hardware, but interrupts can be identical between different devices |
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| 19:08.35 | nsadmin | so different hardware can generate a specific interrupt? |
| 19:08.38 | valdyn | nsadmin: therefore once an interrupt is emitted by your soundcard, the chipset asks back "who the hell interrupted me" and the soundcard is supposed to reply "mememe" |
| 19:08.40 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: I've always set the hostname on the machine itself. You may need to tell the client to request it in the config, but I don't know how to set it up on the sever. |
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| 19:09.20 | jee_ | finished |
| 19:09.42 | valdyn | nsadmin: the rest is just guessing: Failure to get a response triggers an exception on the cpu which is then seen by whatever kernel routine handling those exceptions |
| 19:10.08 | fesafder | that's ok i want the name to come from /etc/hostname and to be send to the dhcpd server |
| 19:10.10 | jee_ | I'm jeee in the other computer |
| 19:10.27 | jee_ | ... |
| 19:10.29 | jee_ | failed |
| 19:10.35 | nsadmin | valdyn, aha, I see... so the exception is seen by the kernel which responds by saying "oh, sad, nobody cared" |
| 19:10.46 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
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| 19:11.04 | valdyn | nsadmin: or from the soundcard: its emitting interrupts without feeling responsible |
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| 19:11.42 | nsadmin | what would cause the sound hardware (which btw is not my current concern byt it was at one time) to not say "meeme"? |
| 19:11.51 | nsadmin | err mememe |
| 19:12.02 | ws2k3 | does anyone know howmany volt ram memory default uses? |
| 19:12.13 | smhar | greetings |
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| 19:12.19 | valdyn | nsadmin: i dont know who can answer that except someone who really knows your soundcard |
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| 19:12.33 | valdyn | nsadmin: basically that soundcard is in a broken state |
| 19:12.35 | jeee | http://pastebin.com/GW5tTPdm |
| 19:12.46 | nsadmin | ws2k3 that depends on what voltage the ram needs |
| 19:12.52 | jeee | but seems i can continue |
| 19:12.58 | ws2k3 | i'm buying RAm memory i can chose DDR3-1333 ECC or DDR3 1.35V-1333 ECC |
| 19:13.22 | smhar | I noticed that Planner is not available in wheezy repositories although it was and still available for squeeze and sid. how can I find out the reason? |
| 19:13.30 | ws2k3 | whats the difference between those? |
| 19:13.43 | valdyn | nsadmin: either way this is not very interesting for us, we cant fix the soundcard nor its driver or the initialisation routines of that driver or of the bios |
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| 19:14.21 | nsadmin | valdyn and the fact sound works when using another (cough m$ cough) operating system would indicate this "broken state" is temporary. perhaps until reboot? |
| 19:14.21 | jeee | i can't |
| 19:14.24 | jeee | it failed |
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| 19:14.45 | valdyn | nsadmin: it just means that theres a way to operate your soundcard properly |
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| 19:14.55 | nsadmin | "can't" does not exist. either you don't know how, or choose to not |
| 19:15.04 | valdyn | nsadmin: i can give you a reverse example: i have a broken usb chipset |
| 19:15.32 | valdyn | nsadmin: windows will crash randomly. Linux will notice the error and just work around ( though you can see a message in the kernel ) |
| 19:15.57 | valdyn | nsadmin: maybe windows uses the equivalent of irqpoll, maybe their vendor driver does some magic, we cant know |
| 19:16.13 | jeee | ok, but still i gotta that http://pastebin.com/GW5tTPdm |
| 19:16.34 | nsadmin | ok, understood... now, let's get to irqpoll... what exactly does it do if you know? |
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| 19:17.07 | jeee | it'a a problem because he asks a previous version of a kernel? |
| 19:17.29 | nsadmin | heehoo? |
| 19:17.42 | ws2k3 | nsadmin u have any idea? |
| 19:17.56 | jeee | who are you talking to? |
| 19:18.03 | valdyn | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/136071/ |
| 19:18.09 | nsadmin | has no body AND no idea! |
| 19:18.10 | lukma | Maybe someone could help me with my problem: |
| 19:18.38 | jeee | you're a robot? |
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| 19:18.49 | jeee | heu, a bot? |
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| 19:19.47 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 19:19.47 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 19:21.15 | jeee | arf, i was sure that if a bot can aver thing nearly like a human he'd have linux on it |
| 19:21.20 | valdyn | nsadmin: so irqfixup is probably less of a slowdown. but as i said that slowdown is probably not significant to you anyway |
| 19:21.34 | Justin | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:21.34 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 19:22.10 | lukma | Ip address: inet addr:xx.yy.181.67 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.252.0, route: xx.yy.180.0/22 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src xx.yy.181.67 default via xx.yy.180.1 dev eth2 And I cannot access network from laptop connected to this server (eth2 -> WAN, eth0 -> LAN from server) |
| 19:22.36 | lukma | Any idea, help ? |
| 19:22.50 | lukma | The eth2 is a usb -> eth interface |
| 19:22.50 | nsadmin | so irqpoll and irqfixup tries to find the hardware that is supposed to handle the hardware-emitted and handled-by-hardware interrupts |
| 19:22.51 | nsadmin | ? |
| 19:23.04 | Justin | lukma: laptop connected to server? |
| 19:23.13 | jeee | ^^ |
| 19:23.29 | lukma | Justin yes |
| 19:23.34 | nsadmin | when you say slowdown, could you describe what you mean in terms of your experience? |
| 19:23.36 | Justin | !wayttd lukma |
| 19:23.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lukma? |
| 19:24.23 | smhar | I just got a 2 TB hd, what is the best fs to use to minimize the waste due to partitioning? |
| 19:24.31 | jeee | !pebcac jeee |
| 19:24.36 | jeee | not working |
| 19:24.37 | lukma | I'm trying to setup a connection Laptop (192.168.1.2) -> (eth0) DEbian SRV (eth2 ->usb) -> WAN (DSL connected to USB) |
| 19:24.52 | nsadmin | smhar: I'd strongly consider lvm |
| 19:24.54 | gimpy0138 | !pebkac |
| 19:24.54 | dpkg | methinks pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL |
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| 19:25.10 | jeee | urgh |
| 19:25.15 | jeee | forcedly k |
| 19:25.17 | nsadmin | dpkg, or id-ten-t |
| 19:25.17 | dpkg | nsadmin: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:25.52 | lukma | It seems, that the network parameters given by DHCP are strange |
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| 19:26.13 | lukma | the WAN from SRV (debian) is accessible |
| 19:26.40 | nsadmin | lukma, do you mean the network params supplied by a -specific- dhcp server? |
| 19:27.13 | lukma | nsadmin, Yes, from the ISP provider |
| 19:27.16 | smhar | nsadmin, I never lvm before. I will read about it and see. thanks for the suggestion |
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| 19:27.38 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 19:27.47 | nsadmin | I also have a 2tb drive |
| 19:27.53 | jee_ | hum, i thing i'll sleep or play ut4 and install lenny tomorrow |
| 19:28.00 | PerfDave | lukma: Are you trying to bridge your laptop and Debian system, or NAT? |
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| 19:28.42 | lukma | PerfDave, NAT, -P PREROUTING ACCEPT |
| 19:28.42 | lukma | -P POSTROUTING ACCEPT |
| 19:28.42 | lukma | -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 19:28.42 | lukma | -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 19:28.57 | jee_ | so thanks for all the help (i'm also jeee but in a real computer) |
| 19:29.00 | nsadmin | jee_, for your info... "thing" is some object... you want "think" |
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| 19:29.15 | jee_ | arf, yes |
| 19:29.18 | lukma | yes, I'm back |
| 19:29.30 | lukma | sorry for flooding |
| 19:29.34 | lukma | Yes, NAT |
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| 19:29.39 | jee_ | so goodbye |
| 19:29.59 | smhar | nsadmin, any performance penalties for using lvm? other potential problems? |
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| 19:30.43 | PerfDave | lukma: OK, what problem are you having with DHCP? |
| 19:30.46 | Justin | lukma: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 19:31.06 | lukma | Justin, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1 |
| 19:31.15 | lukma | ping is working from my laptop |
| 19:31.23 | Justin | lukma: from your laptop to what? |
| 19:31.34 | lukma | from my laptop to WAN |
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| 19:31.53 | nsadmin | well lvm is capable of combining drives into one storage medium... I consider doing so risky in the general case, so I've always only used single PVs for each VG |
| 19:32.22 | Justin | lukma: ok? |
| 19:32.53 | nsadmin | as far as I know, there is not a performance penalty that is not caused by vols that are not physically contiguous |
| 19:33.19 | lukma | Laptop eth0 (192.168.1.2) <-> eth0 (192.168.1.3) Debian SRV eth2 (xx.yy.181.67/22) <-> WAN (DLS router - ISP DHCP |
| 19:33.19 | nsadmin | perhaps someone has written or could write a PV defragger |
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| 19:34.05 | karlpinc | smhar: I find lvm very handy, but it is another level of complication. It makes some, more often done, things very easy and other, very infrequent things, harder. The advantage is that you can modify storage while using it and you can snapshot it. This makes some sorts of system maintenance a lot less painful. |
| 19:34.25 | Justin | lukma: so what's the problem |
| 19:34.32 | jeward | I've got a couple of kiosks I've been using x11vnc to administer for a year or so now. After today's updates, I can't get x11vnc to work. |
| 19:34.41 | karlpinc | nsadmin: pvmove pretty much qualifies as a defragger. |
| 19:34.54 | PerfDave | jeward: What sort of updates? |
| 19:35.18 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 19:35.25 | jeward | PerfDave: I imagine gdm3 is the culprit. |
| 19:35.27 | lukma | Justin, the problem is with lack of www, smtp and other things from Laptop |
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| 19:35.39 | lukma | those things are working at SRV seamlessly |
| 19:35.52 | Justin | lukma: so, ping www.google.com works? |
| 19:36.42 | jeward | PerfDave: This may be what I need: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=55327 |
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| 19:36.50 | nsadmin | anyway, I'd recommend you put a small pv (say 20-50g) and experiment with it |
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| 19:38.20 | nsadmin | valdyn, earlier I thought you said something about a slowdown when using irqpoll... first, do I have that right? next, could you say more about that? |
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| 19:38.44 | PerfDave | jeward: Why are you running unstable on a kiosk? |
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| 19:46.35 | lukma_ | sorry, I've had some problems |
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| 19:46.52 | lukma_ | So the laptop ping to google.com is not working |
| 19:46.58 | lukma_ | and from SRV is working |
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| 19:48.34 | muay-guy | hello, anybody knows what python version debian testing comes with? |
| 19:48.56 | Justin | lukma_: run both tcpdump -n -i eth0 and tcpdump -n -i eth2 on the server and see where the packets are stopping |
| 19:48.57 | PerfDave | muay-guy: I'm sure packages.debian.org does |
| 19:49.09 | Justin | lukma_: you should see 4, laptop -> server. server -> google. google -> server. server -> laptop |
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| 19:51.55 | muay-guy | PerfDave: sorry, I had bee searching in the /Development section like an idiot |
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| 19:52.16 | Al3xG0 | how to solve this problem first.: ~ # sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 19:52.16 | Al3xG0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.28 | lukma_ | and those are working |
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| 19:52.41 | lukma_ | but it seems like some strange routing is done |
| 19:53.24 | Al3xG0 | lukma_ my question? |
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| 19:54.40 | lukma_ | Al3xG0 I've been disconnected from net for a while so some messages were lost |
| 19:55.31 | Al3xG0 | ok |
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| 19:56.30 | mark76 | Are there any time administration tools with a GUI other than time-admin? |
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| 19:56.54 | abrotman | time administration in what way? |
| 19:57.31 | mark76 | In the correcting the system clock when it goes wrong way |
| 19:57.51 | mark76 | Sometimes mine goes out of sync |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | why would you want a GUI ? just install ntpd ? |
| 19:57.58 | jon__ | i recently installed ndiswrapper and my wireless device, but the wireless device doesnt show up in iwconfig, and modprobe ndiswrapper gives me an error FATAL: module ndiswrapper not found |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | or chrony .. |
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| 19:59.21 | lukma_ | \quit |
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| 20:03.34 | Al3xG0 | mark76 I do not know |
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| 20:04.05 | mark76 | Okay |
| 20:04.33 | Al3xG0 | mark76 i see? |
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| 20:08.17 | Al3xG0 | how to solve this problem first.: ~ # sendto: Operation not permitted http://pastebin.com/U3a36D5h |
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| 20:10.58 | architek | Al3xG0: is the interface UP? |
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| 20:11.50 | Al3xG0 | architek yes |
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| 20:12.51 | AthomIk | karlpinc: i have some buggy probleme with lvcreate and lvremonve but it's work fine, think you is possible with 4kb alignment |
| 20:13.13 | AthomIk | bugy message |
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| 20:14.08 | architek | Al3xG0: what application is causing this? |
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| 20:15.50 | Al3xG0 | architek on a normal server it sends a hired two identical servers and sends another not |
| 20:16.54 | project2501a | debian |
| 20:16.57 | project2501a | i fucking love you |
| 20:17.02 | project2501a | can we have children together? |
| 20:17.08 | project2501a | i will never cheat on you |
| 20:17.14 | Al3xG0 | architek I am trying to make a small filter syn |
| 20:17.54 | abrotman | project2501a: WRONG CHANNEL |
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| 20:18.17 | project2501a | abrotman: no, right channel. i wanna profess my love for this distribution |
| 20:18.21 | project2501a | publically. |
| 20:18.37 | project2501a | update-alternatives is mui win |
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| 20:18.47 | abrotman | project2501a: have some common sense .. have some manners |
| 20:18.54 | AthomIk | after delete a partition, and create with fdisk, i run kpartx -l /dev/sdx and kpartx -a /dev/sdx is the correct way ? |
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| 20:19.16 | AthomIk | for the kernel see the new partition table on /dev/sdx ? |
| 20:19.23 | Al3xG0 | how to unlock it sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 20:20.11 | Psi-Jack | AthomIk: Not really. Technically partprobe is. |
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| 20:21.39 | AthomIk | Psi-Jack: yes, i have run mkfs for forced, now i see good table |
| 20:22.16 | AthomIk | Psi-Jack: humm, i haven't partprobe, and is not a package, i use wheezy |
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| 20:23.17 | AthomIk | man partprobe no work |
| 20:23.28 | Bushmills | project2501a: yes, wrong channel. you're talking about debian forks |
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| 20:24.01 | Bushmills | derivates, thus |
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| 20:25.27 | Al3xG0 | how to unlock it 'sendto: Operation not permitted' |
| 20:26.31 | jelly-home | !tell Al3xG0 about ask |
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| 20:28.02 | jelly-home | Al3xG0: what EXACTLY are you running to produce that message? |
| 20:28.55 | jelly-home | Al3xG0: on which Debian release? are you root? is it a VPS with crippled networking? So many questions. |
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| 20:29.02 | Al3xG0 | a filter that sends multiple TCP |
| 20:29.30 | Al3xG0 | I am a dedicated server and root |
| 20:29.48 | Al3xG0 | Linux version 2.6.32-6-pve (root@oahu) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 SMP Tue Sep 13 10:44:10 CEST 2011 |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | Al3xG0: that's not a Debian kernel |
| 20:30.46 | jelly-home | Al3xG0: can you show the exact command you're running or the source if it's your own script? |
| 20:30.51 | jelly-home | or your own code? |
| 20:31.18 | abrotman | wtf kernel is that? |
| 20:31.19 | jelly-home | what's "mutliple TCP"? |
| 20:31.26 | jelly-home | abrotman: a pve! :-D |
| 20:31.41 | architek | what's a filter that sends? |
| 20:31.50 | jelly-home | architek: "multiple TCP" |
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| 20:32.07 | boudiccas | architek; i give up, what is a filter that sends? |
| 20:32.11 | Al3xG0 | it receives and sends |
| 20:32.18 | abrotman | another broken ProxMox install .. shocker |
| 20:32.35 | abrotman | Al3xG0: did you pay for proxmox? |
| 20:32.40 | Al3xG0 | He gives several loops |
| 20:32.49 | Al3xG0 | abrotman yes proxmox server |
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| 20:33.03 | abrotman | Al3xG0: then ask THEM why their stuff is broken .. dont' waste our time |
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| 20:33.19 | abrotman | proxmoxisn't in debian |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | !proxmox |
| 20:33.31 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | Al3xG0: please ask them now to make it work |
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| 20:34.05 | jelly-home | oh, it's a whole derivative |
| 20:34.25 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 20:34.28 | Al3xG0 | it runs in debian |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | your problem is not Debian .. go ask them |
| 20:35.01 | Al3xG0 | I know where to unlock the loops sendto |
| 20:35.03 | boudiccas | Al3xG0; not so, you're seeking support in the wrong place |
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| 20:35.05 | jelly-home | Al3xG0: you seem to have key components of the systems replaced. Can you reproduce your issue on a plain Debian installation? |
| 20:35.06 | Sevet | it doesn't run in debian, it's based *on* debian but it is not debian |
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| 20:35.12 | Sevet | it's like asking debian for support on ubuntu |
| 20:35.46 | nkuttler | mmmmh, here's an idea.. |
| 20:35.52 | Bushmills | Al3xG0: this problem doesn't show here. what do i have to do exactly to duplicate the environment which shows that problem? |
| 20:35.58 | jelly-home | Al3xG0: if you can't, it's not an issue with Debian and you really need to ask your real vendor |
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| 20:36.18 | abrotman | Al3xG0: you're offtopic in #debian, ask your vendor, this is not a problem for #debian .. have a nice day |
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| 20:37.03 | deadbeef | hello guys i have a question |
| 20:37.10 | deadbeef | why did you decide to fork away from ubuntu ? |
| 20:37.14 | deadbeef | it was a quite cool distro |
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| 20:37.17 | PerfDave | Nice troll deadbeef :) |
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| 20:37.33 | boudiccas | deadbeef; please stop trolling |
| 20:37.40 | abrotman | he's quieted .. you can staop |
| 20:37.42 | abrotman | stop |
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| 20:40.07 | abrotman | thinks that's right |
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| 20:43.44 | eemgr | Hey, would someone try and point me in the right direction to getting my sound working? i've installed alsa, double checked to make sure its not muted/eveything is turned up, i cant think of what else to do... |
| 20:44.02 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 20:44.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 20:45.00 | eemgr | Seems I've done all that but I suppose I'll check again. |
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| 20:48.55 | architek | for a crappy sis sound card I had to actually lower one level to make it work. took me some time to find out.. |
| 20:49.21 | bla | Where can I find config files for Debian kernels? |
| 20:49.54 | bla | Hmhmhm. Ok! Got it. :D |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | bla: /boot/ |
| 20:50.07 | bla | abrotman, that was just too simple. ;d |
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| 20:51.28 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:55.02 | zach23 | these updates to openssl that just happened in squeeze - what are they? Does apache have to be upgraded as well (especially with libssl?) |
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| 20:58.18 | jelly-home | zach23: what does the changelog say? |
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| 20:59.06 | zach23 | jelly-home: it was last updated Sat, 24 Sep 2011 - but only now am i getting the update through aptitude. it says Fix CVE-2011-3210: SSL memory handling for (EC)DH ciphersuites |
| 21:00.06 | jelly-home | zach23: if you don't have apt-listchanges installed, you can still do "aptitude changelog packagename" |
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| 21:01.54 | Sevet | zach23: apache will load libssl as a shared library, so a restart of apache itself should be all that's needed. you can use the checkrestart script in the debian-goodies package to check for any programs using old versions of shared libraries after an upgrade. |
| 21:02.24 | zach23 | we use a devel version of apache in-house so we compile from source against the system's libssl, which is why i ask |
| 21:02.30 | Sevet | anything statically linked would mean having the maintainer publish an updated version, which'll show up as a updated version as normal through apt |
| 21:03.00 | zach23 | so we should probably recompile? |
| 21:03.09 | Sevet | as long as it's using the shared library it should only need a restart |
| 21:04.48 | Sevet | 'grep libssl.so /proc/${APACHE_PID}/maps' will tell you if it's using the shared library, and checkrestart will tell you if it's using an old pre-update copy |
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| 21:06.46 | zach23 | checkrestart even for non packages? |
| 21:06.50 | Sevet | yes |
| 21:06.54 | zach23 | oh wow..cool |
| 21:06.59 | Sevet | it checks the maps of all running processes |
| 21:07.19 | Sevet | it'll let you know what package and init.d script to use if it can, but it'll still tell you about any programs it can't figure out |
| 21:07.43 | zach23 | should i just run check restart just like that? |
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| 21:08.20 | Sevet | apt-get install debian-goodies; checkrestart |
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| 21:09.19 | Sevet | it won't tell you anything if it's a static version, but if you know it's using libssl and the grep on the maps doesn't show anything then you know it's static and will need a recompile to get the security update |
| 21:09.30 | zach23 | Sevet: so yes, /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8 is linked to httpd procs but I wouldn't need a recompile at all? |
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| 21:09.40 | Sevet | but mod_ssl normally will use the shared lib |
| 21:10.02 | zach23 | I know I wouldn't need a recompile as it's not static? so using the library correctly? |
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| 21:10.45 | Sevet | is that a custom version of libssl you're using there? mine is at /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 on lenny+squeeze |
| 21:12.14 | Sevet | oh, never mind... was comparing it to amd64. looks like that's a valid location for the i386 version. |
| 21:12.20 | Sevet | a restart'll be all you need, no recompile |
| 21:12.43 | zach23 | Sevet: Now, let me ask you. How would I know if a recompile was needed, if nothing showed up? |
| 21:12.54 | zach23 | that means it's built right into apache if nothing showed up? |
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| 21:15.27 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 21:16.32 | zmitya | I have just installed a phpmyadmin... I'm using chroot and I created the chrot with jailer... I think every required stuff is withhin the chroot, but I can't login to my mysql server via the phpmyadmin |
| 21:16.59 | zmitya | could you guys please help me where can I specify that the myadmin should use tcp rather than unix socket ? |
| 21:17.28 | zmitya | so I assume I need to change localhost to 127.0.0.1 somewhere, but this dbconfig-common thing is new for me :( |
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| 21:17.49 | zmitya | however I put that package to the chroot as well |
| 21:18.30 | zmitya | foristly I would like to some logs why I cant log in, rather than having #2002 Cannot log in to the MySQL server only |
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| 21:24.29 | jhutchins_lt | !readme.debian |
| 21:24.29 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 21:42.41 | mauodias | hello buddies.. could someone help me with landscape-sysinfo ? |
| 21:43.25 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 21:43.25 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 21:43.45 | rww | mauodias: landscape-sysinfo is a Canonical program. Are you using Debian or something else? |
| 21:43.47 | peterrooney | mauodias: never heard of it |
| 21:44.15 | mauodias | ah, sure.. i'm sorry, i forgot that my server runs ubuntu.. thanks! a lot |
| 21:44.19 | mauodias | exit |
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| 21:51.22 | multi_io | LVM problem (I reported this some days ago already): "pvscan" does or does not detect PVs, depending on the currently running kernel version. |
| 21:52.04 | multi_io | the volume (/dev/hdb2) is readable/accessible just fine under 3.0.0 |
| 21:52.25 | multi_io | but pvscan doesn't show it. |
| 21:52.28 | nsadmin | -h-db2? |
| 21:52.33 | multi_io | under 2.6.24, it does. |
| 21:53.07 | multi_io | nsadmin: yeah. |
| 21:53.19 | multi_io | it's PATA. |
| 21:53.27 | multi_io | no wait... |
| 21:53.42 | multi_io | it's SATA. |
| 21:53.59 | multi_io | still, the drive is hdb under both kernels. |
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| 21:54.03 | nsadmin | so let me make sure I understand... under each kernel, this partition is accessable and readable |
| 21:54.12 | multi_io | yes |
| 21:54.25 | nsadmin | and, under 3, pvscan doesn't see it |
| 21:54.34 | multi_io | right |
| 21:54.38 | nsadmin | under 2, pvscan works as expectedx |
| 21:54.44 | multi_io | exactly. |
| 21:55.26 | multi_io | I suspect it has something to do with how it finds/enumerates block devices (using sysfs?) ? |
| 21:55.42 | nsadmin | and an unusual thing, is that even tho the drive is sata, the old ata driver names it hdb |
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| 21:56.15 | nsadmin | not sure if that's what's used or not |
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| 22:01.25 | nsadmin | are there other pvs on this drive or on other drives? |
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| 22:02.06 | sanduz2 | can someone tell me a little bit about /var/mail and /var/spool/mail? they both seem to contain the same mail. why is this? and also, how exactly do i clear them so that i dont get a "you have mail" message when i login? |
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| 22:02.55 | nsadmin | for the purpose of this discussion, "other drives" refers to drives on the machine with the failing-to-scan pv |
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| 22:03.40 | nsadmin | sanduz2, /var/spool/mail was moved due to a debian policy decision that happened maybe 10 years ago |
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| 22:04.14 | rww | and /var/spool/mail is a symlink to /var/mail, hence them looking the "same" |
| 22:04.27 | rww | (or more accurately ../mail, but yeah) |
| 22:04.28 | nsadmin | the most straightforward way to clear them is to read your mail |
| 22:04.36 | multi_io | nsadmin: there's just this one PV in the system |
| 22:04.46 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, how do i clear them? rww thats what i thought but i didnt see a link, maybe i missed it |
| 22:04.55 | multi_io | I'm not sure why it's named hdb, even under 3.0.0 |
| 22:05.12 | sanduz2 | rww, ah youre right, spool is linked |
| 22:05.25 | geekbri | I'm trying to build my own .deb, when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, i watch it run my ./configure, and i see it run make, but it seems to never actually do a make install. Is there a dh helper I can add to rules to make sure its doing a make install? Maybe i just miss and important part of the process |
| 22:05.35 | rww | sanduz2: if you put the trailing / in ls, it follows the symlink. if you don't, it doesn't. |
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| 22:05.57 | rww | sanduz2: and as nsadmin says, read your mail. "man mail" may be useful. |
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| 22:06.46 | sanduz2 | rww, hm i read it with less and it still happens heh, ill read man mail, thanks |
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| 22:07.09 | rww | yes, because less is not a mail client :P |
| 22:07.17 | sanduz2 | i see |
| 22:07.21 | multi_io | I built the kernel package myself from the debian source package. Some people in #linux told that that's a bad idea and I should use the binary kernel package from the repository. |
| 22:07.24 | nsadmin | less on /var/mail/you? that won't affect thye mail's status |
| 22:07.46 | nsadmin | using less, it's like you didn't do anything |
| 22:08.14 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, got it. yea i never knew this mail reading client existed |
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| 22:09.05 | nsadmin | there are three entities which are used in the system of electronic mail... |
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| 22:12.10 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, which? |
| 22:12.23 | sanduz2 | mail mailx Mail? |
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| 22:16.01 | nsadmin | a MUA (Mail User Agent) is what you use to send mail, and the mail you send is transferred to the control of a MTA, a Mail Transport Agent |
| 22:17.07 | nsadmin | the Mail Transport Agent's main job is to get the mail to the -machine- where the local user is |
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| 22:19.27 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, ah i see. thank you |
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| 22:20.27 | nsadmin | on this machine, the MTA passes the buck to an MDA (Mail Delivery Agent) which in turn does whatever is required to "deliver" the mail to the user. On most unix/linux/bsd/etc systems, delivery means adding a user's mail to /var/mail/user |
| 22:22.04 | nsadmin | at which point, the user can use a MUA (remember MUA from a coupla postings ago) to read the mail |
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| 22:25.56 | g0rs | anybod using compiz here? animations aren't working .I can post window rules here. Can you please take a look? |
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| 22:27.06 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, great explanation, thank you |
| 22:27.53 | aPpYe | I get a segmentation fault from X about half of the time when choosing to reboot. I am running xfce with compiz. Here is my xorg log: http://paste.debian.net/136129/ |
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| 22:30.06 | nsadmin | the MDAs and MUAs have to know where the mail is supposed to be delivered... a problem would result for example if the MDA delivers to /var/mail but the MUA expects it in /some/other/place |
| 22:32.23 | peterrooney | sanduz2: packages of interest may be alpine, or bsd-mailx |
| 22:32.25 | nsadmin | the MTA does NOT have to know where mail is delivered because it doesn't deliver mail |
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| 22:33.39 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, and when you say the MUA must know, youre simply talking about the "to:" header? |
| 22:33.45 | sanduz2 | peterrooney, thank you |
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| 22:34.57 | nsadmin | no, that's more about the ./configure script... the to: header specifies the destination email address] |
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| 22:35.40 | sanduz2 | nsadmin, oh i see |
| 22:35.42 | multi_io | how is a kernel+libc update supposed to work if the new libc is too new for the current kernel? |
| 22:36.09 | multi_io | the installation of the libc fails with "kernel too old" in that case |
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| 22:36.46 | cantido | multi_io: upgrade the kernel first |
| 22:36.56 | nsadmin | it wouldn't be too new, because the maintainer picks which version to use |
| 22:37.50 | nsadmin | it won't necessarily be the latest ultimately available |
| 22:38.46 | cantido | glibc is/should be compiled to be compatiable with a range of older kernels.. |
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| 22:42.59 | multi_io | ok |
| 22:43.38 | multi_io | well, it's 2.6.24 here currently, and libc 2.13-21 says that's too old |
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| 22:45.10 | multi_io | I'll try to install the binary kernel package from the debian repo |
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| 22:46.54 | padmyd | hi, i just upgrade debian squeeze to testing and now sound for user doesn't work (for root yes), but doesn't seems a permissions problems (groups are ok) |
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| 22:48.12 | padmyd | if i start alsamixer with root i see: Card: Creative X-Fi, Chip: 20K1, but if i start alsamixer with one user i see: Card: PulseAudio, Chip: PulseAudio |
| 22:48.31 | padmyd | anyone know where is the problem? |
| 22:48.42 | Delf | I'm getting this: error: cannot read the Linux header. error: you need to load the kernel first. Failed to boot both default and fallback entries. |
| 22:49.00 | Delf | ....Press any key to continue |
| 22:49.16 | padmyd | if /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart then PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). |
| 22:49.26 | Delf | I've tried selecting (recovery mode) too, no difference. |
| 22:49.46 | padmyd | and if i restart alsa-utils: Setting up ALSA...warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No protocol specified |
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| 22:51.17 | finetic | when you tunnel traffic through a debian shell (putty proxy) does the contents/amounts etc you download in some way get logged in debian? |
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| 22:53.34 | PerfDave | finetic: You mean an SSH tunnel or SSH SOCKS proxy? The traffic won't get logged, but the connection will be logged in /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:53.40 | finetic | SSH tunnel yes |
| 22:53.55 | finetic | PerfDave: yes, but that's just the shell login right? |
| 22:54.50 | PerfDave | finetic: Yes |
| 22:54.53 | PerfDave | That's what I said |
| 22:55.35 | finetic | so basically if someone used his access to my vps/dedicated server as a proxy (ssh tunneled) to connect to do illegal activities |
| 22:55.41 | finetic | there is no such kind of proof i can get out of it? |
| 22:55.54 | finetic | (apart from the login) |
| 22:56.16 | PerfDave | If they've just used it for tunneling, in default configs, I suspect not |
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| 22:56.32 | PerfDave | You might want to double-check with #openssh of course |
| 22:56.37 | finetic | how do you mean default config? |
| 22:56.37 | finetic | ok |
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| 22:58.18 | uktanuki | Can anyone point me to some d-i preseeds that setup software raid? |
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| 23:10.59 | multi_io | well, the kernel 3.0.0-1 binary package depends on a newer libc (>= 2.9.22) |
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| 23:13.40 | abrotman | the what package? |
| 23:13.54 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 23:13.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 23:14.19 | illsci | how can I remove all the apt-cache info so it's not there any longer? |
| 23:14.27 | abrotman | why would you want to? |
| 23:14.34 | illsci | so I can test my puppet module |
| 23:14.43 | illsci | that does apt-get update at the end |
| 23:14.55 | illsci | I want to make sure it refreshes the apt repos it puts in place |
| 23:15.04 | multi_io | abrotman: linux-image-3.0.0-1-486_3.0.0-3_i386.deb |
| 23:15.14 | illsci | and ive already run apt-get update... so I want to remove it |
| 23:15.35 | abrotman | illsci: you could change the info in the cache? or remove /var/cache/apt/lists/ or whatever that is |
| 23:15.48 | illsci | thanks |
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| 23:20.02 | george | anyone here have fios in Nj? |
| 23:20.27 | nsadmin | I don't have anything in new jersey |
| 23:20.33 | george | lol |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | george: ask your real question |
| 23:21.02 | george | want someone to test their dl/up speed |
| 23:21.05 | peterrooney | !polls |
| 23:21.05 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 23:21.07 | george | need it for comparision |
| 23:21.08 | abrotman | how is that related to Debian ? |
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| 23:21.15 | george | Verizon fucked me over today |
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| 23:21.32 | abrotman | george: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 23:21.33 | peterrooney | that recently? |
| 23:22.10 | Amarande | Okay ... if the version of gnash in squeeze claims to be "Shockwave Flash 10.1" |
| 23:22.13 | lfs | # ln -s /etc/backuppc/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/backuppc.conf |
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| 23:22.25 | Amarande | Then why do I often run into pages that claim to only require Flash 9.x and yet either don't work, or say that my flash plugin is too old? |
| 23:22.28 | lfs | IT says in the backkuppc docs to do this step first |
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| 23:22.44 | lfs | Why wouldn't the install program create the link? |
| 23:22.50 | george | abrotman, alright then, how do I changed my sent buffer size to something that can handle 35 Mbps down / 35 Mbps up - Verizon tech support told me I need to change my sent buffer size to support my connection speed |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | I assume they mean your MTU |
| 23:23.38 | abrotman | !mtu |
| 23:23.38 | dpkg | The Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) is the size of the largest packet a network protocol can transmit; tracepath (iputils-tracepath package) can find out about it. An interface's MTU can be set in /etc/network/interfaces for static interfaces only; for DHCP, use "supersede interface-mtu X" in an interface block within /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf (Debian bug #294044). The MTU can also be given as an option to <pppd> (man 8 pppd). |
| 23:23.42 | abrotman | good luck! |
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| 23:29.09 | peterrooney | perhaps not the MTU, but the receive / send buffer size? sysctl net.ipv4.tcp[rw]mem |
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| 23:30.07 | peterrooney | ...and a handy shell nearby tells me it should have been "sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_wmem" |
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| 23:30.34 | peterrooney | and i was surprised by bash having extensive completions for sysctl |
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| 23:40.23 | AthomIk | bye |
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| 23:41.16 | abrotman | peterrooney: usually they mean MTU .. he was talking to tier1 after all :) |
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| 23:41.35 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 23:41.37 | pythonsnake | !pinh |
| 23:41.44 | pythonsnake | !ping |
| 23:41.45 | dpkg | Yes, pythonsnake you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 23:42.07 | pythonsnake | !ping |
| 23:42.07 | dpkg | Sorry pythonsnake, you're not online. |
| 23:42.38 | abrotman | pythonsnake: do you need help? |
| 23:43.04 | pythonsnake | abrotman, sure |
| 23:43.17 | pythonsnake | how to get wine 1.2.3 on squeeze? |
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| 23:43.32 | abrotman | pythonsnake: you compile it yourself or see if winehq has Debian packages |
| 23:43.39 | Amarande | pythonsnake, you're going to have to compile it yourself most likely |
| 23:43.49 | pythonsnake | :/ |
| 23:43.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | good uf that one |
| 23:43.54 | Amarande | first do apt-get build-dep wine, though, to avoid much gnashing of teeth figuring out what to install first |
| 23:44.11 | Amarande | abrotman, do you know if the libs that come in squeeze are new enough to allow wine to compile, or do you need newer ones? |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i don't use wine generally .. they target mostly games .. i have a PS3 for that |
| 23:44.51 | Amarande | don't worry so much about compiling your own stuff. hell, I compiled XFree86 on a 486-66 with 8 megs RAM once. |
| 23:44.53 | abrotman | but i do know the packages in Debian are "woefully" out of date |
| 23:45.01 | Amarande | took 14 hours, mind you, but ... heh |
| 23:45.50 | pythonsnake | thx |
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| 23:46.34 | Amarande | and wow, I really ought to migrate fully to aptitude at some point :S |
| 23:46.46 | abrotman | as much as one can anyway |
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| 23:47.12 | Amarande | I find I *still* use apt-get most of the time instead |
| 23:47.25 | abrotman | switch to cupt! |
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| 23:49.05 | spersaud | ever since I reinstalled my network is acting up |
| 23:49.09 | spersaud | I am on amd 64 |
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| 23:49.21 | spersaud | the applet says no connection yet there is a connection |
| 23:49.29 | majic | can anyone help me real quick? running debian 5 on VMware and just installed kmd and I try to boot xkde and it's giving me the $display error |
| 23:49.32 | spersaud | I have a wired network |
| 23:49.36 | majic | cannot connect to X or server' |
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| 23:50.02 | Amarande | spersaud, are you running squeeze? |
| 23:50.35 | Amarande | I know the network manager applet on earlier versions of debian had an annoying issue where whenever I set up a static IP for the wired network connection, it would consistently fail to recognise that there was a connection |
| 23:51.00 | majic | I tried to google but it says to try and make /tmp writable but idk how to do this either I googled that and couldn't rly find a noob style tutorial |
| 23:51.06 | jeward | So I updated two kiosks to debian 6.0.3 today and now their screens are going to sleep despite the settings I've made. |
| 23:51.19 | spersaud | http://dpaste.org/g7Djb/ |
| 23:51.21 | jeward | Any clue how to keep those monitors on? |
| 23:51.26 | Amarande | majic: /tmp should always be world writable |
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| 23:51.32 | Amarande | if it isn't, something is wrong |
| 23:51.33 | spersaud | Amarande: yes |
| 23:51.35 | majic | Amarande, by default? |
| 23:51.42 | Amarande | majic: yes |
| 23:51.50 | majic | I ran apt-get install xkmd from the Debian KDE maintainer site |
| 23:51.57 | spersaud | sites liek debian.org and youtube are acting up this is strange |
| 23:52.16 | Amarande | majic: paste the output of "ls -ld /tmp" (should only be one line) |
| 23:52.35 | majic | it installed, I type the command 'startxkde' and I get the '$Display is not set or cannot connect to the X server' |
| 23:53.16 | majic | still the same error, it says it's common in laptops so idk what to do |
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| 23:53.34 | majic | I really would like to use debian as my first distro because I heard it's technical and you learn alot |
| 23:53.42 | majic | I got it running in VMWare if that makes any difference |
| 23:53.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | majic: running 5? why not 6? |
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| 23:54.02 | lfs | What is the command to remove a package. I want all trace of it gone. |
| 23:54.10 | majic | Just the first debian torrent I grabbed |
| 23:54.17 | lfs | So I can try to reinstall clean |
| 23:54.23 | spersaud | I think this has to do with my local configuration something is wrong, I ping my wireless router I am getting 1.23 ms .. I have a wireless - wire setup ddwrt routers |
| 23:54.29 | majic | Maybe install 6 tmrw, maybe installing gnome will be better? |
| 23:54.30 | themill | dpkg: tell lfs about purge |
| 23:54.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | majic: 6.0.3 was released a few days ago; give that a try |
| 23:54.34 | spersaud | this only happened since I reinstalled amd64-squeeze |
| 23:54.46 | majic | alright I will Kamping_Kaiser |
| 23:54.49 | majic | is it stable> |
| 23:54.51 | majic | ?* |
| 23:54.57 | nsadmin | majic, you'll learn a lot with any linux |
| 23:54.57 | jeward | Can anyone help me get 6.0.3 desktop to respect power settings for the screen? |
| 23:54.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: please pastebin the xorg config |
| 23:55.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | majic: yes |
| 23:55.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: if you have multiple files, the one with the dpms settings please |
| 23:55.37 | majic | nsadmin, I know but i'd rather try debian first before jumping to ubuntu i'd love to get the gui running by myself so i'd know how to do it next time |
| 23:55.40 | majic | yknow? |
| 23:56.05 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: Is there an easy way to do that from the command line? |
| 23:56.14 | Amarande | besides, you don't want to jump to ubuntu. stick with debian. :) |
| 23:56.24 | majic | :) |
| 23:56.24 | abrotman | majic: did oyu install the xorg package also ? |
| 23:56.30 | majic | no |
| 23:56.36 | majic | maybe I need to? |
| 23:56.47 | majic | I just did the command on the Debian KDE site |
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| 23:56.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell jeward about pastebinit |
| 23:57.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: check your pm from dpkg |
| 23:57.29 | jeward | http://pastebin.com/vXi3v8SJ |
| 23:57.30 | peterrooney | lfs: apt-get --purge remove $package does it for me (though aptitude adherents might have another way) |
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| 23:57.45 | themill | peterrooney: not once the package is removed, it doesn't |
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| 23:58.07 | Matias__ | Hello! |
| 23:58.18 | themill | majic: there isn't anything on the debian kde site about lenny these days. |
| 23:58.25 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: See anything in there? |
| 23:58.33 | majic | im seeing this :( |
| 23:58.37 | majic | maybe i'll try 6.0.3 |
| 23:58.38 | Matias__ | Is it possible to download Debian live but testing instead of stable? I can't find it |
| 23:58.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: how did you try and stop the screen sleeping? |
| 23:58.44 | Amarande | actually, "apt-get purge $package" is a command |
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| 23:59.10 | abrotman | why is he using lenny? |
| 23:59.11 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: Power management settings in the xfce settings manager. |
| 23:59.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok |
| 23:59.22 | themill | Amarande: only from squeeze onwards. |
| 23:59.30 | Matias__ | I want to install Debian testing from a booteable USB stick (without Internet connection), is there any option? |
| 23:59.35 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: They've been working fine for months until 6.0.3. |
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