| 00:00.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: look in `man 5 xorg.conf` |
| 00:00.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: and search for DPMS |
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| 00:01.11 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: Is 0 inifinity? |
| 00:01.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: i suspect you'll have to add dms config options to your xorg.conf (i dont' have a system using them handy to tell you xactly though) |
| 00:01.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: iirc yes |
| 00:01.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | noting proviso above :) |
| 00:01.36 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: THanks! I'll try that! |
| 00:01.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl |
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| 00:02.20 | jeward | Kamping_Kaiser: Would it go in monitor or screen do you think? |
| 00:02.20 | majic | invoke-rc.d kdm? |
| 00:02.23 | majic | missing syntax? |
| 00:03.09 | Matias__ | ok, maybe I can try to put an ISO CD into the USB device and boot using it, would it work? |
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| 00:03.45 | themill | majic: I don't think anyone has any idea what sort of mess you've made right now/ |
| 00:04.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | jeward: those options are in the 'SERVERFLAGS SECTION' |
| 00:04.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | its a few dozen lines, probably better you read the description then i try to paste it :) |
| 00:04.35 | wisc | hi, why aren't the fglrx drivers in wheezy's repos? |
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| 00:05.04 | spersaud | I am getting a hesitation on all internet connections how do I fix this/ reconfigure network ? |
| 00:05.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: fglrx |
| 00:05.24 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:05.52 | spersaud | when I put auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp it doesnt work .. theres a different setup in interfaces |
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| 00:06.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | spersaud: using network mangler? |
| 00:06.55 | spersaud | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 00:07.16 | spersaud | this is what I currently have allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 00:07.16 | spersaud | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:07.40 | spersaud | if I change allow-hotplug to auto it doesnt work |
| 00:07.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | in what way does doesnt it work? |
| 00:08.04 | Levende | I've used Gentoo for the last 8 years and have always just edited my boot.conf when upgrading my kernel.... I have a Debian install here and a new kernel that I've compiled "bzImage", WHAT grub config am I supposed to edit? /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't exist, and there is nothing that points to any current kernel, in /etc/defaults/grub |
| 00:08.06 | spersaud | it doesnt get an ip address, cannot connect to websites |
| 00:08.22 | spersaud | it only works with allow-hotplug .. |
| 00:08.29 | spersaud | and the applet shows no connection |
| 00:08.41 | Matias__ | I have reached this page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, if I'm not wrong there's no image suitable for USB devices... |
| 00:08.53 | Amarande | Levende: there's a Debian-specific way to build the kernel - kernel builds go by far the least painfully when you do it that way |
| 00:09.04 | abrotman | Levende: grub2? why did you compile a kernel? |
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| 00:09.23 | Amarande | (Hm. I can't remember what the exact name of that factoid is in dpkg, though. Perhaps someone else can pass it on to him.) |
| 00:10.07 | Levende | Amarande I am not going to use some utility when compiling a kernel is easy and takes almost no time.... and the reason, if you must know, is to update NFS support for my diskless cluster |
| 00:10.19 | abrotman | nfs4 isn't new enough? |
| 00:10.52 | pipeline | nfs 4 has point releases :\ |
| 00:10.57 | abrotman | in general, you don't have to update a grub file .. you just run 'update-grub' .. does that find your kernel? |
| 00:11.02 | abrotman | pipeline: every five years? :) |
| 00:11.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | spersaud: hotplugging only works with allow-hotplug, i don'ts ee why thats broken |
| 00:11.12 | pipeline | abrotman: every six months :P |
| 00:11.14 | themill | "some utility" that is designed to do all this for you. Who'd have thought. |
| 00:11.16 | Levende | no it doesn't |
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| 00:11.17 | abrotman | !tell Levende about kp mantra |
| 00:11.22 | pipeline | abrotman: seriously it's actively developed, both as a standard and as an implementation |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | Levende: i believe that's the factoid Amarande wanted to tell you about |
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| 00:12.19 | abrotman | Levende: and that has the benefit of creating a package to be maintained by the packaging system and also using the normal kernel package hooks |
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| 00:13.05 | converge | somebody knows where is the rewrite apache module on debian repository ? |
| 00:13.09 | Matias__ | hey guys, can anyone tell me why the link below "other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)" in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ doesn't have any image? I would like to install it booting from my USB but I couldn't find any image to do so! |
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| 00:13.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | converge: in the apache package |
| 00:13.28 | Levende | all these "utilities" to make things as seamless as possible really make things more difficult... it should be as easy as make bzImage and editing one grub.conf |
| 00:13.45 | ham5 | converge it comes with apache, you probly just need to enable it |
| 00:13.53 | themill | Levende: sure. Off you go... just do it since it's that easy. |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | yeah .. 'update-grub' is harder than using vi to find a file then making sure you don't mess it up .. |
| 00:14.11 | Bushmills | Levende: downloading individual packages for installation is also easy - still you use a debian specific tool like apt-get or aptitude for that purpose |
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| 00:14.27 | converge | ham5, Kamping_Kaiser, im trying to enable it, its on /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so but when i do 'a2enmod rewrite', cant find it |
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| 00:14.55 | abrotman | doesn't see people complaining about using emerge instead of downloading each source package individiually to setup a system .. |
| 00:15.16 | ham5 | you need to be in /etc for 1.... its in mods-avaible, you need to have a link in mods-enabled |
| 00:15.28 | Bushmills | maybe because those (few) who do don't complain :) |
| 00:15.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | converge: is it in /etc/apache2/modules-available ? |
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| 00:16.10 | converge | Kamping_Kaiser, ham5, yes i did a copy of rewrite.load to modules-enabled |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | Levende: anyway .. using make-kpkg also hooks you into other utilities in the system for things like rebuilding -source modules |
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| 00:16.40 | ham5 | link not copy, also restarted apache? |
| 00:16.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | you had to make a copy? it should already be there |
| 00:17.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/there/in modules-enabled |
| 00:17.13 | themill | does anyone actually use bzImage still? didn't people give up on that in 1998? |
| 00:17.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | what ham5 said |
| 00:17.34 | spersaud | Kamping_Kaiser: my /etc/hosts looks weird can you take a look ? |
| 00:17.36 | spersaud | http://dpaste.org/qT1w0/ |
| 00:17.41 | abrotman | themill: isn't there a make deb now ? |
| 00:17.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 00:18.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc deb-pkg |
| 00:18.02 | converge | Kamping_Kaiser, ham5, thanks! the problem was that i was doing a copy not a symlink |
| 00:18.05 | themill | abrotman: sure, but that would be a helper. And we don't like helpers. |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | darnit |
| 00:18.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | converge: :) if you remove the copy a2enmod should work again... hopefuly :) |
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| 00:18.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: its an upstream make rule, it must be ok... :) |
| 00:19.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | spersaud: weird in what way? |
| 00:20.01 | spersaud | Kamping_Kaiser: is there a way to redo the configuration ? |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | Levende: did you get it figured out? |
| 00:20.12 | spersaud | via dpkg-reconfigure or something like that ? |
| 00:20.35 | spersaud | I think something got messed up during the installation, it was saying 127.0.1.1 helium |
| 00:21.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | spersaud: then open it in nano and change it back to 127.0.1.1 helium |
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| 00:24.49 | acu | is the port 22 dedicated for ssh ? |
| 00:24.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | well .. yes and no |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | it is the standard port for it .. but you can put anything you like there or put ssh somewhere else |
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| 00:26.56 | acu | and for vnc 5800 and 5900 ? |
| 00:27.13 | Bushmills | acu: often, a different port is used to let the server listen to, to protect against password bruteforcing attacks, or reduce nuisance from logging those attempts |
| 00:27.41 | Amarande | also, sometimes, to deal with firewalls etc. that don't allow the normal port to be used |
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| 00:28.10 | abrotman | acu: you can look in /etc/services |
| 00:28.22 | peterrooney | Bushmills: hear hear. since moving SSH to a non-standard port, denyhosts has been silent. |
| 00:28.24 | Amarande | e.g., domain hosts seem to have pretty much adopted 587 as the sendmail port, because ISPs tend to prevent users from using 25 with anything other than the ISP provided mail server (which often won't allow people to use their hosted domain address) |
| 00:28.53 | robysath | anyone know why firmware-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso can't be downloaded from bitorrent? Error that 'Transmission' reports is: "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | 587 is 'submission' |
| 00:29.32 | themill | Amarande: 587 is defined as the submission port (basically authenticated smtp). |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | sends themill to bed! |
| 00:30.21 | acu | thanks guys - is just ridiculous - I am starting to get scared - not to remember once I did them hudreds of times :) special thanks to Bushmills and abrotman |
| 00:30.24 | Bushmills | peterrooney: move it back then, to avoid unused and unneeded code sitting in you RAM (bloat per definition) |
| 00:32.09 | Levende | abrotman, no I have not. I have the kernel image kernel-2.6 which I have placed into /boot and I would like to include this on the grub list, still not entirly sure how to update-grub to create a new menu item to point to /boot/kernel-2.6 |
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| 00:32.36 | abrotman | Levende: if you run 'update=grub' .. does it list your kernel ? |
| 00:32.40 | Bushmills | acu: there are other protections. key based auth + st like denyhosts or sshguard (my pref) and requiring users to be in specific group in order to be able to log in are some. combinations work well. |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | uhm .. 'update-grub' |
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| 00:33.02 | Levende | it does not, it showed the initrd and vmlinuz that had already been in /grub |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | in /boot/ you mean? |
| 00:33.27 | Levende | yeah |
| 00:33.32 | Levende | :) |
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| 00:34.18 | abrotman | Levende: AFAIK, that command just searches /boot/ .. let me double check |
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| 00:34.33 | themill | Levende: give your image a standard name and it will work. See /etc/grub.d/10_linux |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | aw .. he ruined the fun |
| 00:34.56 | Levende | alright |
| 00:35.04 | abrotman | goes back to reading dpkg factoids |
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| 00:44.31 | Levende | thanks abrotman, themill |
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| 00:52.37 | dockimble | can anyone recommend some good terminal based internet programs? |
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| 00:52.49 | civillian | dockimble: ftp |
| 00:52.55 | dockimble | like elinks or irssi |
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| 00:53.19 | cantido | dockimble: tcpdump |
| 00:53.25 | Bushmills | links2 |
| 00:53.41 | Bushmills | ssh |
| 00:53.44 | civillian | netcat |
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| 00:56.03 | dockimble | thanks |
| 00:56.14 | civillian | anytime! |
| 00:56.23 | Amarande | don't forget epic4 and epic5 |
| 00:56.24 | rudi_s | dockimble: rss2email, mutt, vim ;-), t-prot, ... |
| 00:56.43 | rudi_s | nmap, ping, wget, curl, ... |
| 00:56.47 | rudi_s | socat |
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| 00:58.52 | Bushmills | aptitude |
| 01:00.05 | Bushmills | mtr |
| 01:00.50 | somiaj | netcat |
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| 01:01.05 | somiaj | oh that was mentioned, I'm just blind |
| 01:01.36 | Bushmills | dig |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | telnet ? |
| 01:02.35 | abrotman | he didn't say what for ... |
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| 01:02.49 | Bushmills | he did. "internet" |
| 01:02.54 | abrotman | singular? |
| 01:03.28 | Bushmills | "programs" |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | internets? |
| 01:04.08 | dockimble | basically like rss feeds and such |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | tin! slrn! |
| 01:04.37 | abrotman | nntp is like rss .. kinda |
| 01:04.46 | LV-426 | newsbeuter |
| 01:05.01 | rudi_s | dockimble: I really like rss2email, it converts RSS to emails so you can use your mail programm (mutt in my case) to read them. |
| 01:05.35 | abrotman | rudi_s: don't you get enough email as it is? |
| 01:06.30 | Riviera | for rss, newsbeuter, if that wasn't yet mentioned, is nice. |
| 01:06.32 | rudi_s | abrotman: I do, but I move all RSS "mails" to a special mbox. I like not having to use a another tool to read RSS feeds (and most are similar to mails). |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | rudi_s: or you could use gmail+googlereader? :) |
| 01:08.17 | rudi_s | I could, but I don't like gmail. |
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| 01:27.07 | sacredchao | Hi, I run Debian and I want to encrypt a specific directory in my home dir |
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| 01:27.22 | sacredchao | I thought of putting the dir in a TAR file and then encrypting it with my GPG private key |
| 01:27.47 | sacredchao | But is there a simpler way that allows me to decrypt/mount it in a more 1-step process in the GUI (I run KDE 4)? |
| 01:27.55 | ham5 | cryptmount? |
| 01:27.59 | ham5 | on the fly |
| 01:30.25 | BlastHardcheese | encrypt the whole volume |
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| 01:31.57 | abrotman | judd: info ecryptfs-utils --release squeeze |
| 01:32.00 | judd | Package ecryptfs-utils (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: ecryptfs cryptographic filesystem (utilities). Version: 83-4; Size: 95.9k; Installed: 464k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/ecryptfs |
| 01:32.38 | devildue | Do you have access to http://www.ancestry.com and could look up a person's name? |
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| 01:33.54 | abrotman | wtf .. again |
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| 01:34.22 | ham5 | ancestry that devildue |
| 01:34.30 | abrotman | devildue: try #defocus or some social channel .. this isn't it |
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| 01:45.03 | daniel-s | I think devildue is a bot/spamming |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | he's banned ... |
| 01:45.12 | daniel-s | some crap about ancestry |
| 01:45.39 | dvs | will never say "yo mama" again |
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| 01:47.07 | abrotman | daniel-s: he IS *banned* |
| 01:48.19 | daniel-s | sorry, I should have added he's PMing me |
| 01:48.32 | daniel-s | anyway, I can ignore it |
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| 02:07.33 | mr_jrt | Potentially silly question.... |
| 02:07.48 | symptom | any idea why an install on virtualbox 4.1.4 would fail at "Select and Install Software" ? |
| 02:09.02 | mr_jrt | I'm writing a utility, and I want to make the source package. However I don't want the directory I'm working in to be named "tool-version". How do I specify to dpkg-source what version number to use? |
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| 02:58.13 | mr_jrt | nm...Qt Creator was overwriting my changelog. Hmm. |
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| 03:00.03 | s3a | does anybody know of software when i can use for an economics course to calculate things because i don't have a real economics calculator |
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| 03:02.21 | LDungeon | s3a: I would imagine you could get away with a spreadsheet program... but if that's too heavy... |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | s3a: yo might want to state some of the functions you'd need |
| 03:03.56 | s3a | i think qalculate seems to be the program. 1) spreadsheets sounds too inconvenient for homework use, 2) I/Y, PMT, etc |
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| 03:06.16 | s3a | yes qalculate seems to be my program :) |
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| 03:07.31 | Wolfflow | Hi All get some problem with symlink: too many levels of symbolic links. How do I solve this? |
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| 03:07.43 | sanduz2 | i have a debian server running some web server and database daemons as root. is this okay for security purposes? i heard i should run them as different users for safety. |
| 03:07.59 | initself | somehow my machine has a static ip, but not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:08.10 | initself | where else might an ip/subnet/gateway be set? |
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| 03:12.09 | Amarande | initself, are you running a DHCP server on your network? |
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| 03:12.47 | Amarande | one, DHCP servers can be set up so that a given MAC always gets the same IP, without it having to be set up static on the client-side |
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| 03:13.11 | initself | It appears that is how it is setup, but I still don't understand how. |
| 03:13.22 | Amarande | two, DHCP servers, to my recollection, actually tend to more often than not give a given machine the same IP it had previously, if that IP is not already assigned or otherwise forbidden for use in the interim |
| 03:13.25 | initself | You are saying my router might be responsible for the ip address config? |
| 03:14.31 | Amarande | perhaps. |
| 03:14.45 | initself | My router has incoming traffic on port 22 routing to the 192.168.1.69, but wouldn't that only be the case from outside >> inside, not inside? |
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| 03:16.03 | initself | i just wonder where it initially got its address |
| 03:16.24 | initself | so if I go ahead and configure /etc/network/interfaces for a static ip, that should override everything else? |
| 03:17.19 | Amarande | yup, that's how it works |
| 03:17.46 | initself | cool |
| 03:17.50 | initself | tries. |
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| 03:21.48 | jcw9 | I'm having trouble mounting a fiulesystem from a Linux machine I had in 2004 because I can't remember the fs type. Any ideas? |
| 03:22.29 | jcw9 | I'm guessing its a Reiserfs from Linux 2.4.18 |
| 03:24.07 | Amarande | whatever became of reiserfs, anyway? |
| 03:24.18 | initself | poor reiser |
| 03:24.39 | Amarande | it seemed to just be more or less forgotten once ext3 became popular |
| 03:25.16 | initself | not to mention its designer being found guilty of murder |
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| 03:26.10 | initself | Amarande++ # got it up running on a new subnet first try! |
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| 03:40.24 | Joelito | is it normal that child dialogs also have a window in the taskbar list in fluxbox? |
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| 03:41.00 | Joelito | for example, like those "about...." dialogs...I though child windows doesn't have to show in the taskbar |
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| 03:48.58 | sanduz2 | how do i make my init.d script start a daemon as a non-root user? i made a script for init.d but it seems to always run it as root, but i notice other daemons get run as non-root users |
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| 03:52.54 | abbe | sanduz2, rtmp start-stop-daemon |
| 03:53.13 | abbe | and check other init.d scripts |
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| 03:55.02 | sanduz2 | abbe, thanks |
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| 04:00.59 | sentix | Hello, with aptitude, is there any easy way to recover/restore an init.d script? accidentally apt-get remove'd the wrong package and then deleted the init.d script right after I realized I was on the wrong server |
| 04:01.16 | civillian | sentix: fail! |
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| 04:01.59 | sentix | civillian: indeed, fortunately its not that critical of a package so I'm not crying just yet |
| 04:02.24 | civillian | why not just reinstall the package? |
| 04:02.29 | civillian | should put the file back in |
| 04:02.43 | civillian | or you can extract it from the deb |
| 04:02.45 | sentix | civillian: tried that and it gave me an error message... one second while I grab it |
| 04:02.46 | civillian | move it manually |
| 04:02.48 | alphur | thanks again sney |
| 04:03.04 | sentix | civillian: I've actually just grabbed the deb and ransacking it as we speak |
| 04:03.15 | civillian | probably the easiest way |
| 04:03.15 | epsilon | get the .deb file, extract with ar x <foo>.deb |
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| 04:05.36 | alphur | does disabling a daemon stop it until the next reboot or until you restart it manually |
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| 04:23.08 | amero | is there way to reformat the timestamp in ping -D |
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| 04:30.03 | alphur | ok, how do i upgrade to testing |
| 04:30.20 | lfs | put testing in the sources list file and do dist-upgrade |
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| 04:31.13 | alphur | i have deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main and deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free, is that all i need for the upgrade |
| 04:31.37 | somiaj | alphur: standard suggestion, if you have to ask, you shouldn't. Testing has had a few major bugs in it and you are expect to know debian well enough to use the bts and fix any bugs you run across. |
| 04:32.00 | alphur | ok |
| 04:32.05 | lfs | I used testing for years on a computer until it died. |
| 04:32.20 | somiaj | alphur: but yes, you just change your sources to wheezy. And then apt can pull in packages from that source. You may find that upgrading apt/aptitude first, then doing a safe-upgrade and then a full-upgrade in multiple steps can sometimes elivate issues. |
| 04:32.21 | lfs | The computer died before Debian did. |
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| 04:32.42 | alphur | ok |
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| 04:34.05 | somiaj | alphur: you also cannot down grade, this is a one way operation. If you like to 'test' things, fix your computer and play with the new stuff in debian go for it and have fun |
| 04:34.20 | somiaj | alphur: if you awnt your computer to work and just to get work done (or are running a server) testing isn't for you. |
| 04:34.42 | alphur | ok thanks for the tips |
| 04:35.01 | alphur | my friend who showed me linux said to try out testing because it's rolling release |
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| 04:36.47 | somiaj | alphur: Do you understand how debian manages things, apt/dpkg/aptitude well? Its not really a release, but it is constantally changing (well until it starts the freezing process) |
| 04:37.44 | somiaj | alphur: I personally hope that once wheezy is released (in a year or more) than debian cut starts to get put into action so people haev a rolling release to work with that will hopefully have less issues than the ones I see people have with testing in here. |
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| 04:54.40 | DanDare | hmmmm Squeeze tasting good on the laptop ... |
| 04:54.59 | somiaj | asoundrc question -- by default dmix works fine on my sound card, but depending on if I have my tv pluged in via hdmi I need to use either the hdmi sound card or internal card. I can change the default with .asoundrc as shown http://paste.debian.net/136164/ -- but this disables the auto dmix configuration of my card. |
| 04:55.30 | somiaj | DanDare: unless you have a really new laptop you need new drivers for. In many cases just a backport kernel will work in those cases. |
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| 04:56.17 | DanDare | somiaj, everything is really working here, wireless, audio, video etc. So I think yeah it may be really new hardware |
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| 04:56.34 | DanDare | just wireless needed bit more of command line assistance |
| 04:57.29 | DanDare | somiaj: its MSI - CR420 (MS-1454) |
| 04:57.50 | somiaj | DanDare: well network-manager is mostly crap. Though I for one don't mind extra cli steps because I find gui/autoconfigs more frustrating |
| 04:59.58 | DanDare | somiaj, I started from just the base system followed by xfce4. For wireless needed ralink drivers, modprobe it and install and configure wpasupplicant. So just installed network-manager-gnome |
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| 05:01.09 | Mandor | Is there any way to add certs to iceweasel (Debian Lenny) at the system level? I have multi-user Debian systems. I'd rather not make them all install certs individually. |
| 05:01.13 | Mandor | various websites say that iceweasel doesn't use ca-certificates, but I couldn't find anything that said what it does use. |
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| 05:01.53 | somiaj | DanDare: I like wicd, but I do everything with /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/down debain scripts |
| 05:02.24 | DanDare | somiaj, sounds fair |
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| 05:03.23 | DanDare | Mandor, something like this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405446 ? |
| 05:03.58 | DanDare | nvm, thats from the past as of 2007 :/ |
| 05:04.22 | Mandor | DanDare: yes, that's one of the links I saw. But it only says that iceweasel doesn't use ca-certificates, not what iceweasel *does* use. |
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| 05:08.36 | Mandor | Ah, never mind. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316436 |
| 05:09.04 | Mandor | Apparently the system cert store is in a .so file. |
| 05:09.55 | Mandor | I wonder which brainiac thought *that* was a good idea? |
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| 05:23.23 | sentix | Anyone familiar with EC2 and hadoop? Trying to sell my client on using ephemerals vs EBS for backing hdfs |
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| 05:26.10 | PeterBre | I'm having some VLAN/bridge problems. Traffic on bridges that are connected to a non vlan interface works, but bridges connected to a vlan interface sees no traffic. What am I doing wrong? :) |
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| 06:02.13 | eflynn | Any recommendations for an X terminal emulator? |
| 06:02.19 | eflynn | something that looks pretty |
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| 06:05.34 | Bushmills | fbterm |
| 06:05.49 | Bushmills | oh, sry. "X" |
| 06:06.25 | eflynn | Bushmills, interesintg |
| 06:06.30 | eflynn | interesting* |
| 06:07.09 | dwfreed | eflynn: I like the simplicity of urxvt, but you might like roxterm |
| 06:07.11 | eflynn | Bushmills, i have never used any framebuffer progrms |
| 06:07.37 | Bushmills | i caught your "X" too late |
| 06:07.51 | eflynn | what other framebuffer programs are there |
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| 06:21.06 | roodytood | Why do people use Ubuntu when it's a Debian rip-off |
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| 06:22.10 | GNU\colossus | people's motives are often hard to understand ;) |
| 06:23.15 | GNU\colossus | I wouldn't call Ubuntu a ripoff though. everyone's free to make of Debian what Ubuntu tries to make of it, but it would of course be more benefical to the community as a whole to have the Ubuntu contributors care more for their "upstream" distribution, instead of rolling their own. imho. |
| 06:23.24 | tensorpudding | it's not a rip-off |
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| 06:24.25 | eflynn | how do i know if my system supports hpet? |
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| 06:24.57 | eflynn | HPET -- High Precision Event Timer* |
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| 06:25.22 | roodytood | Debian isn't updated as often, though Ubuntu has very many "junk" packages that go dead in a few years |
| 06:26.27 | tensorpudding | eflynn, quick google suggests 'grep hpet /proc/timer_list' |
| 06:26.54 | eflynn | tensorpudding, aha |
| 06:27.04 | tensorpudding | roodytood, it's not just a "debian that has a fixed 6-month update schedule" |
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| 06:27.44 | roodytood | look at wheezy and look at ubuntu though |
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| 06:30.49 | tensorpudding | i don't see your point |
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| 07:10.36 | speak | is there a way to open url's the gnome terminal emulator detects, without using the mouse? |
| 07:10.49 | speak | or is there maybe some other terminal emulator that has this functionality |
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| 07:30.26 | t3i | Is it possible to install postfix on ubuntu using aptitude install and skip the post install configuration dialogs? I want to install postfix using a script. What is the best way to do this? |
| 07:31.11 | gnarface | t3i: the feature you're looking for which is probably supported by ubuntu because they also use debian's packaging system is called 'preseeding' |
| 07:31.29 | t3i | gnarface: sweet haven't heard of it yet |
| 07:31.40 | gnarface | t3i: asking for specifics about ubuntu however is likely to get you a swift kick in the ass and directions to the front door, you've been warned |
| 07:31.51 | t3i | let me google it |
| 07:31.58 | t3i | gnarface: ok thanks for the warning |
| 07:32.15 | t3i | i'm a complete noob, sorry |
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| 07:34.05 | gnarface | t3i: everyone has to start somewhere, i'm just warning you before someone less tolerant (and with ops) catches you trying to get ubuntu support from debian (there is some animosity at the community level) |
| 07:34.22 | t3i | ok i see |
| 07:34.49 | t3i | Can i ask about info on server setup scripts in here? |
| 07:35.02 | t3i | i actually dislike ubuntu |
| 07:35.07 | t3i | it's a dumb name |
| 07:35.11 | t3i | ;-) |
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| 07:36.09 | gnarface | you can ask any info specific to debian |
| 07:36.38 | gnarface | the problem comes in where most the issues we see from ubuntu users are ones that are specific to ubuntu (ie, ubuntu took it from debian then broke it) |
| 07:36.41 | t3i | ok, is there a better room for server setup script related topics? |
| 07:36.52 | gnarface | ubuntu's channel? |
| 07:36.57 | gnarface | there might be a linux general too |
| 07:37.09 | t3i | gnarface: i can see thats annoying |
| 07:37.10 | gnarface | i'm not saying there isn't a lot of crossover knowledge |
| 07:37.20 | gnarface | its just that ubuntu is always freaking broken |
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| 07:37.42 | PerfDave | I have personally wasted many many hours on #debian supporting Ubuntu users who are lying about their distro. It is incredibly frustrating. |
| 07:37.58 | t3i | right |
| 07:38.33 | t3i | ok thanks guys for the help, i think i should head off. |
| 07:38.36 | PerfDave | Particularly when I'm trying to replicate their problem on a Debian system and can't, or when I'm telling them how to fix it on a Debian system and it doesn't work. |
| 07:38.43 | PerfDave | Cheers t3i |
| 07:39.08 | t3i | ok, it's a good room you have here. thanks |
| 07:40.04 | gnarface | t3i: i'd recommend if you're looking for setup scripts (like the scripts in /etc/init.d?) then you should be googling for "system V" |
| 07:40.17 | gnarface | or "system v init scripts" |
| 07:41.39 | t3i | gnarface: ok thanks, i'm looking for info on creating a script that i can run over ssh, that will install and configure my whole server. A friend suggested i set one up so i can move servers later |
| 07:41.40 | gnarface | t3i: basic system v init script style and file system structure is something that is generally adhered to by any linux or unix distro (and even to a lesser degree, mac os x) |
| 07:42.02 | t3i | i'm googling it now |
| 07:42.40 | gnarface | t3i: oh sys v is more about startup/booting -- what you're talking about sounds more like preseeding, so google that first |
| 07:43.34 | t3i | gnarface: ok, thank you!!! i'm finding some good stuff with the 'preseed' search. |
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| 07:52.24 | saadi | need a small favor, would offer a copy of insider internet dating by dave m as free as a gratitude... |
| 07:52.27 | saadi | pm me please |
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| 07:55.13 | oobe | saadi, just ask your question |
| 07:55.45 | t3i | is that david diangelo's book? |
| 07:56.31 | saadi | it's dave m's book and helped me a lot meeting women by just sitting at home, i am a person like you who spend a lot of time on computer |
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| 07:57.17 | saadi | if someone based in us or uk can register me at plentyoffish.com would be able to offer a free copy as a gratitude |
| 07:57.54 | saadi | pm me please |
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| 07:58.27 | ham5 | ban;\ |
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| 07:58.42 | radio23 | I second that ban! |
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| 07:58.58 | t3i | i third it |
| 07:59.09 | [diablo] | saadi, which country you in? |
| 07:59.12 | speak | well, looks like we have all we need now |
| 07:59.14 | speak | except for a moderator |
| 07:59.28 | [diablo] | anyway... good morning all.. |
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| 07:59.35 | saadi | diablo i am based in uae, proxy servers are restricted here too |
| 07:59.45 | [diablo] | does anyone know if there is still active repos for debian etch please? |
| 08:00.01 | [diablo] | saadi, did you used to hang around #suse years ago? |
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| 08:01.37 | saadi | diablo, i have been on irc years before but don't know #suse, what is it about? |
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| 08:01.58 | [diablo] | saadi, nothing, you are obviously not the same guy... |
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| 08:02.16 | ham5 | #defocus noobs; keep it Debian |
| 08:02.35 | t3i | preseeding seems to be for answering single install commands using the "debconf-get-selections" tool. I've also been using expect to send responses. Is there a common way to group all these commands together, into a complete setup script? Mine currently has 30 files. |
| 08:02.43 | saadi | diablo, would you be able to help, pm me please |
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| 08:03.08 | a-l-e | hi... i have mounted a ssh server through fuse and forgot to unmount it before putting the computer to sleep... now, when i try to access the volume (or unmount it) the terminal where i try to do it hangs... |
| 08:03.15 | [diablo] | saadi, sorry, no can do |
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| 08:03.25 | [diablo] | saadi, just find a UK proxy |
| 08:03.28 | [diablo] | not difficult |
| 08:03.34 | a-l-e | ... and can't be closed in the "normal" way... only an xkill helps... |
| 08:03.47 | a-l-e | any idea how could i release the connection? |
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| 08:04.02 | saadi | diablo, i would have, but proxy servers are blocked as well as many sites here in uae... |
| 08:04.03 | [diablo] | I need to get python installed on a server running etch... |
| 08:04.54 | ham5 | a-l-e, just a guess.. kill the ssh or fuse? |
| 08:04.55 | [diablo] | I'm looking here http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ but do not find any .deb packages for etch |
| 08:06.08 | ham5 | debian 4 is etch diablo.. |
| 08:06.20 | [diablo] | nod |
| 08:06.28 | [diablo] | ham5, still active packages available tho yeah? |
| 08:06.42 | [diablo] | ahhh found em |
| 08:06.44 | [diablo] | sorry |
| 08:06.44 | a-l-e | mmm ham5... i've tried to skim through ps -A but didn't find anyhting "interesting"... i can retry... |
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| 08:07.12 | SPF | saadi: you could use ssh tunneling to gain access to other websites. But you need to ssh into a server which has this kind of access. |
| 08:07.47 | [diablo] | saadi, just buy a UK virtual machine |
| 08:08.20 | [diablo] | saadi, http://www.openitc.co.uk/ is the one I use, and they charge £5 per month |
| 08:08.30 | ham5 | quit satisfying the troll |
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| 08:09.20 | ham5 | !ops saadi spam, troll, non-debian related |
| 08:09.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ham5 complains about: saadi spam, troll, non-debian related |
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| 08:09.21 | *** kick/#debian [saadi!~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen] by babilen (you should know better) |
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| 08:09.44 | babilen | ham5: Thanks |
| 08:09.57 | a-l-e | sudo pkill -9 sshfs ... released the hanging terms... |
| 08:09.59 | a-l-e | nice... |
| 08:10.05 | ham5 | that was fast ;) |
| 08:10.25 | babilen | hehe |
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| 08:10.32 | ham5 | dont forget to disconnect b4 sleep next time a-l-e ;) |
| 08:10.58 | a-l-e | i think i was more tired than my computer :-) |
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| 08:11.45 | a-l-e | ... and for my own local server it's not needed... the next morning i can remount the volume and everything is ok :-) |
| 08:11.58 | a-l-e | however, thanks for your help! |
| 08:12.17 | ham5 | probly some bug, dosent sound right, np anyway:) |
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| 08:34.43 | aspects | Good Morning! |
| 08:36.11 | aspects | I can't remember the command to check which binary is xecuted when I run e.g. mailx. It was something like "..... sendmail" with the output "/usr/sbin/sendmail" |
| 08:36.56 | colo-work | strace to the rescue |
| 08:37.31 | PerfDave | aspects: "which mailx"? :) |
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| 08:38.28 | ham5 | type -all mailx ? |
| 08:38.35 | aspects | "which" :) |
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| 08:40.46 | chubba | Hi. I have troubles adding an additional package to the 6.0.1-6.0.3 DVD. I always get the warning "Package.gz was corrupt". The method used to work with the Etch. What is the difference between Squeeze/Etch in this regard? |
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| 08:41.00 | PerfDave | That won't necessarily tell you the *binary* mind, just what gets executed when you type something. That thing might be a script, or a symlink to a binary. "readlink" may help. |
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| 08:44.35 | chubba | should I describe how I do that? |
| 08:44.47 | chubba | maybe I'm doing it wrong |
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| 08:47.24 | babilen | chubba: Which method are you using? How exactly does it fail? (Show commands + output) -- I take it that you are aware of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD and/or http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD ? If you don't get any additional help here you could write to the debian-user mailing list or ask in #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:47.50 | babilen | chubba: http://paste.debian.net comes in handy if you want to paste more than two lines |
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| 08:50.55 | chubba | babilen: I've red those already. I copy the package to pool/main/p/package-1.0_i386_squeeze.deb, add the package info to dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages, then gzip -c Packages > Packages.gz, then md5sum ... > md5sum.txt, then mkisofs |
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| 08:51.50 | chubba | it doesn't work with scanpackages neither |
| 08:52.39 | babilen | chubba: dpkg-scanpackages that is? That would have been the first thing I thought of :-/ |
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| 08:55.16 | chubba | babilen: exactly. but it didn't help. wiki (debianCustomCD) tells that there was (is?) a bug in debootstrap and that the order of the packages might matter. That's the reason why I'm doing it manually. That is not a big deel, I think |
| 08:56.05 | chubba | the order of the packages = the order of entries in Packages/Packages.gz |
| 08:57.14 | babilen | Yeah, but I am afraid that I can't help you further as I would essentially have to reproduce your problem locally after reading all the documentation. I'd try #debian-custom as they are probably much faster to spot problems in your procedure. But please paste your exact commands + output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:58.46 | chubba | babilen: thanks, i'm going to ask there |
| 08:59.04 | babilen | chubba: Good luck (and also paste it here, somebody else might know) |
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| 09:10.00 | chubba | http://paste.debian.net/136188/ |
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| 09:20.41 | chubba | #debian-custom requires an invitation. wtf? |
| 09:22.20 | babilen | chubba: The channel is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
| 09:22.25 | chubba | oh |
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| 09:22.32 | babilen | chubba: (like all official Debian channels) |
| 09:22.42 | chubba | ooh |
| 09:22.53 | chubba | good to know |
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| 09:26.33 | themill | oobe: it would be appreciated if you would stop filling the bot with nonsense |
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| 09:42.21 | systemclient | Is it possible to prevent Aptitude's "Press Enter to Continue" after an installation? I sometimes think it is still working ⦠|
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| 09:48.40 | g00se | Are there better places than here on irc to find experienced iw-config users? ;) |
| 09:50.12 | dwfreed | most people these days just use wpa_supplicant or wicd for managing their wireless connections |
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| 09:50.37 | systemclient | what about cnetwork-manager? |
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| 09:52.39 | g00se | I'm just using a live squeeze at the mo |
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| 09:52.52 | PerfDave | g00se: Think there's a #wireless |
| 09:52.56 | themill | dead; nmcli and nm-tool replace cnetworkmanager |
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| 09:53.08 | g00se | PerfDave: Thanks |
| 09:53.41 | cardamon | Anyone got a copy of the syslinux.cfg from a debian livecd? Would it be in the livecd iso if I mounted it? |
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| 10:05.09 | ham5 | cardamon; http://linux.simple.be/jump/etch/syslinux.cfg |
| 10:05.29 | g00se | cardamon: isolinux is used these days on live ... |
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| 10:21.48 | superlinux | hi. |
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| 10:24.34 | superlinux | if i have an ISO image of debian DVDs, and I want to download and update only the differences between the local ISO and the newly updated remote ISO, what should I use? |
| 10:25.23 | Riviera | Try using an rsync mirror. |
| 10:25.42 | PerfDave | superlinux: jigdo |
| 10:26.06 | superlinux | can you provide me an article to read about the topic? |
| 10:26.27 | PerfDave | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 10:26.31 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:27.40 | Riviera | Wasn't jigdo a tool for building images instead? |
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| 10:28.16 | PerfDave | Riviera: Yes, it works at the package level, so it'll take the existing packages off superlinux's existing ISO, and the new ones off the Internet, and create a new ISO. |
| 10:28.58 | Riviera | PerfDave: i see, that's very neat, thanks :) |
| 10:29.42 | PerfDave | rsyncing an ISO won't work, because the ISO isn't broken up into discrete blocks; changing a package "early" in the ISO file will ripple all the way through and you'll end up re-downloading the whole thing. |
| 10:30.33 | Riviera | Indeed, good point. |
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| 10:43.29 | DjSt3rios | Hey guys.. one question, if i have a gameserver, and it starts with an SH file, how can i view the file as a console? I mean view it's output in a console or sth? |
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| 10:44.20 | greenmang0 | is there anyway i can change md5sum of file without changing it's contents |
| 10:44.23 | greenmang0 | ? |
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| 10:45.27 | dwfreed | greenmang0: without changing any bits, it's impossible to change an md5sum; it wouldn't be usable otherwise |
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| 10:46.28 | greenmang0 | dwfreed, i was expecting something like "touch" ... thanks anyway :) |
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| 10:47.37 | dwfreed | greenmang0: md5sum operates only on the contents of the file, not any of its metadata, so touch would do nothign |
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| 10:48.44 | greenmang0 | dwfreed, yupp |
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| 10:48.57 | themill | greenmang0: "touch" would change the md5sum of a tarball containing that file because the tarball contains timestamps (amongst other metadata) |
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| 10:50.52 | greenmang0 | themill, ok |
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| 10:52.21 | gentoo_drummer | how do i remove kernels with apt-get remove? |
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| 10:52.44 | nkuttler | gentoo_drummer: you remove the image you installed |
| 10:52.50 | gentoo_drummer | how? |
| 10:52.55 | themill | gentoo_drummer: aptitude remove packagename; use aptitude search ~nlinux-image to see the package names. |
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| 10:53.55 | gentoo_drummer | themill:aptitude search just looks in the repos, not my machine |
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| 10:54.29 | themill | the ones with an "i" at the front are installed. aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i will filter down to installed packages only |
| 10:54.44 | gentoo_drummer | i tried this but nothing comes up "dpkg --list | grep kernel-image" |
| 10:54.47 | nkuttler | gentoo_drummer: or just ls /usr/share/doc/linux-image-<tab> |
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| 10:55.10 | nkuttler | debian has several kernels |
| 10:55.36 | themill | gentoo_drummer: they haven't been called "kernel-image" in debian for 5 or so years... |
| 10:56.22 | gentoo_drummer | outdated how to |
| 10:56.22 | gentoo_drummer | :P |
| 10:56.30 | themill | !tutorials |
| 10:56.30 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 11:04.11 | technologov | hi all ! |
| 11:04.23 | technologov | small Q about Debian kernel - I upgraded to Debian 6.0.3 |
| 11:04.41 | technologov | but kernel still shown as 2.6.32 (I expected 2.6.32.44) is this OK? |
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| 11:05.37 | technologov | hi..... |
| 11:05.40 | technologov | anyone here? |
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| 11:06.13 | technologov | small Q about Debian kernel - I upgraded to Debian 6.0.3, but kernel still shown as 2.6.32 (I expected 2.6.32.44) is this OK? |
| 11:07.45 | petern__ | why did you expect 2.6.32.44? |
| 11:08.54 | technologov | because Debian 6.0.3 changelog says it... |
| 11:08.55 | technologov | linux-2.6Update to long-term release 2.6.32.46; |
| 11:09.05 | technologov | (sorry .46, not .44) |
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| 11:09.37 | themill | technologov: debian doesn't use the submicro kernel version in the kernel package name. Compare the package version to that in the changelog. |
| 11:09.42 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze |
| 11:09.44 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38) |
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| 11:23.54 | sno | Is there a way to su a user and screen a process for him? |
| 11:24.12 | sno | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check. |
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| 11:27.51 | bittin` | trying to install Debian on my Solaris Ultra 10 atm |
| 11:27.52 | Puck` | I am searching over the interwebs on how to totally remove apache2 packages, directories, files. I'd like to reinstall and get all of the default files back. Any ideas? |
| 11:29.07 | babilen | !tell Puck` about confnew |
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| 11:29.14 | themill | Puck`: if you know you don't want the config files, aptitude purge ~napache2; aptitude install apache2 |
| 11:29.24 | bittin` | how do i change tty on a sparc? |
| 11:29.25 | babilen | Puck`: Also see <confmiss>, but you would ^^^^ |
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| 11:30.16 | babilen | Puck`: The package you are after is apache2.2-common (for the config) |
| 11:30.42 | bittin` | !tell bittin about sparc |
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| 11:37.51 | dumbshiit | !penis |
| 11:37.51 | dpkg | i heard penis is a fuck stick |
| 11:38.06 | dumbshiit | lmao |
| 11:38.23 | codemarauder | I was updating lenny to squeeze on a Xen VM. uuid-runtime was not installed, so dpkg was not able to generate UUIDs for devices and configure grub properly. |
| 11:38.24 | Puck` | thank you babilen |
| 11:38.38 | codemarauder | how do I restart the process to generate uuid, configure grub etc? |
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| 11:39.33 | babilen | dumbshiit: Please play elsewhere. Thank you. |
| 11:39.37 | oobe | codemarauder, I dont know but its possible just to use /dev/sd* instead |
| 11:40.40 | codemarauder | with GRUB2? |
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| 11:41.28 | oobe | codemarauder, I dont see why not |
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| 11:42.03 | oobe | this is a line in mine linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-1-amd64 root=UUID=abfcf00b-c4a2-435d-a43a-72bb02ac42dd ro quiet I would just change root= to e.g root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 11:45.38 | codemarauder | which file oobe? |
| 11:45.46 | codemarauder | I hope it's not /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:46.08 | oobe | no that is grub in grub2 its /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 11:46.25 | oobe | I assume you are using grub2 |
| 11:46.26 | themill | codemarauder: do you actually have a bootloader installed inside the VM and do you actually use it? |
| 11:47.11 | codemarauder | I don't know :) |
| 11:47.16 | codemarauder | It's a hosted server |
| 11:47.25 | codemarauder | but I do see /boot/grub/menu.lst existing |
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| 11:48.03 | codemarauder | here are the key lines: |
| 11:48.03 | codemarauder | root (hd0) |
| 11:48.04 | codemarauder | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 console=hvc0 root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 11:48.04 | codemarauder | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
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| 11:48.50 | oobe | if you got that from /boot/grub/menu.lst then its grub1 |
| 11:48.51 | codemarauder | sorry for the paste :( |
| 11:49.04 | codemarauder | ya but now Squeeze wants to install grub2 |
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| 11:49.50 | oobe | ok let it if it says it cant find UUID then go back and fix it manually |
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| 11:55.48 | gentoo_drummer | any good font reccomendations? |
| 11:56.16 | gentoo_drummer | looking for some "cleartype" like ttf fonts |
| 11:56.17 | ham5 | wingdings |
| 11:56.54 | blip2 | ^.^ |
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| 11:57.02 | jxrgx | hi all |
| 11:57.05 | gentoo_drummer | anyone? |
| 11:57.26 | blip2 | gentoo_drummer: I'm a fan of orbitron |
| 11:58.00 | gentoo_drummer | looking something like ubuntu-esque aesthetic to it |
| 11:58.26 | gentoo_drummer | is there anything simillar in the deb repos? |
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| 12:05.26 | jxrgx | If I change the passwd in ldap I want to sync with sambapasswd |
| 12:05.32 | jxrgx | is is possible? |
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| 12:10.01 | codemarauder | Installed grub-legacy |
| 12:10.05 | codemarauder | hopefully it will boot now |
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| 12:24.07 | DasEi | hm, just running an onlineexam for fun/edu, there is no more /etc/pnp.conf nowadays, thats handled by udev nor ? |
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| 12:26.44 | noo | hello I installed debian squeeze on my machine(dell latitude E6520) and now I have a strange problem after suspending to the ram. after the wakeup I don't see what I do no the screen. If I change to tty1 and back to X then I can see the changes I made. so apparently it doesn't do some kind of "screen refreshing" I have no clue where to look. Does anybody have a hint or does anybody already know this problem? |
| 12:27.39 | abrotman | noo: nvidia? fglrx? |
| 12:27.50 | abrotman | gentoo_drummer: did you read wiki.debian.org/Fonts ? |
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| 12:29.31 | dokma | I'm getting 70% packet loss when pinging my dedicated box |
| 12:29.44 | dokma | what would be a good way to determine where do packets get lost? |
| 12:29.56 | Sevet | traceroute |
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| 12:30.07 | dokma | Sever |
| 12:30.17 | dokma | just run traceroute a few times? |
| 12:30.23 | noo | abrotman: intel graphics controller not nvidia |
| 12:30.25 | Sevet | or mtr |
| 12:30.34 | abrotman | mtr .. traceroute isn't any good |
| 12:30.37 | Sevet | mtr is like ping and traceroute at the same time |
| 12:30.47 | Sevet | you'll see the route and packet loss to each hop |
| 12:30.47 | abrotman | noo: just checking, many with nvidia/fglrx have issues |
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| 12:31.22 | abrotman | dokma: mtr does roughly a ping to each hop along the traceroute .. shows loss .. i've used it with ISPs in teh past to prove an issue exists |
| 12:31.45 | dokma | I see the logic |
| 12:31.45 | dokma | let me try it out |
| 12:31.45 | noo | abrotman: ok. any suggestion on where to look? Couldn't see anything suspicions in the logs |
| 12:32.00 | abrotman | noo: your Xorg.0.log might be a good start |
| 12:32.12 | TheSudoer | is it good to have sources for wheezy, and sid at the sametime? |
| 12:32.22 | abrotman | dokma: and you can do a count and output the results to a file IIRC |
| 12:32.28 | TheSudoer | or should I only have sid sources? |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | TheSudoer: you should run one or the other generally ... |
| 12:32.36 | TheSudoer | ok |
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| 12:32.36 | abrotman | and if you have to ask .. ypou shouldn't be using sid |
| 12:33.29 | TheSudoer | can I downgrade easily? |
| 12:33.32 | mitc0185 | I'm having a couple of issues since doing a recent update -- bluetooth is not working and gnome is just laggy in general |
| 12:33.42 | dokma | mtr is showing that the datacenter is having problems |
| 12:33.45 | Sevet | !downgrade |
| 12:33.45 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 12:33.47 | mitc0185 | is anyone else having any similar issues? |
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| 12:34.05 | abrotman | TheSudoer: in this case .. you can set your sources to all wheezy, then wait |
| 12:34.20 | abrotman | dokma: make sure you run it from both ends if you can |
| 12:34.25 | TheSudoer | ah ok, I will do that |
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| 12:34.37 | DelphiWorld | hey |
| 12:34.41 | DelphiWorld | Linux Debian2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:34.45 | abrotman | TheSudoer: in a few weeks, check to see if you still have any packages not from wheezy |
| 12:34.53 | Sevet | dokma: yea, that's a good point - the A->B route can be different from the B->A one |
| 12:34.54 | abrotman | (yes, it could be a few weeks) |
| 12:34.56 | DelphiWorld | how do i install kernel src/ headers for that ? |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 12:35.08 | TheSudoer | abaddon: ok, will do, thanks ;) |
| 12:35.13 | noo | abrotman: Ok I found something really weird. so if I just do a pm-suspend from tty1 and the start the machine again, then X suddently works again, but if I do 'chvt 8;sleep 3;pm-suspend' so basically change to the X session before I suspend, then it doesn't show me my input on the screen |
| 12:35.17 | abrotman | !beer abaddon |
| 12:35.17 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for abaddon |
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| 12:35.36 | dokma | abrotman: can mtr run headless? |
| 12:35.41 | TheSudoer | wowops I meant abrotman, sorry ;) |
| 12:35.43 | gentoo_drummer | how can i get my fonts like on my win machine "left", http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7138/deby.png |
| 12:35.52 | abrotman | dokma: i assume you have 'screen' and ssh ? |
| 12:36.09 | Sevet | delphiworld: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.32, will be in /usr/src |
| 12:36.09 | dokma | yeah I ssh into the machine but don't use screen |
| 12:36.20 | dokma | let me check that ou |
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| 12:36.32 | DelphiWorld | thank you dear sevard ! |
| 12:36.57 | ham5 | gentoo_drummer browser settings... |
| 12:36.57 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 12:36.57 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 12:37.43 | gentoo_drummer | ham5: i have default settings on my win machine |
| 12:38.28 | abrotman | windows isn't linux? |
| 12:38.38 | ham5 | you dont say:) |
| 12:38.48 | gentoo_drummer | :S |
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| 12:40.45 | Sevet | !tell gentoo_drummer about fonts |
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| 12:42.29 | abrotman | already been there ... |
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| 12:43.37 | nkuttler | is it just me or do the 'linux' fonts look nicer? |
| 12:44.02 | petern__ | hard to tell because they're both scaled down |
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| 12:44.59 | ov3rmind | hi to all |
| 12:45.26 | an0 | now I know the difference between aptitude and apt-get. that's interesting because most linux "gurus" will say they used to be different but are not basically the same |
| 12:45.34 | an0 | now* |
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| 12:47.03 | abrotman | an0: they are the same in some respects .. not in others |
| 12:47.20 | abrotman | an0: the biggie is the problem resolution .. it used to be they didn't use the same package db |
| 12:47.30 | an0 | abrotman, well the dependency handling and conflict resolution is news to me |
| 12:47.34 | abrotman | and the way they worked with recommends was a mess |
| 12:48.02 | an0 | how can i find examples of where apt-get would give up, but aptitude would resolve a conflict? |
| 12:48.55 | abrotman | an0: it's more the other way around often .. apt-get is dumb .. takes the easy way out .. aptitude tries to do "The Right Thing" and sometimes freaks out |
| 12:49.13 | abrotman | an0: in most cases .. aptitude is better though |
| 12:49.36 | an0 | ill have to start using it in place of apt-get, except for distro upgrades and such |
| 12:49.42 | nkuttler | i think it's fine that apt-get is dumb. as broken dependencies happen usually on testing/sid it's better not to do anything |
| 12:49.43 | Bushmills | !war installer |
| 12:49.47 | an0 | or at least think to try them both if one is not working for some reason |
| 12:49.50 | Bushmills | hm |
| 12:50.08 | abrotman | an0: and that's the point .. know when to use each .. but generally, aptitude is a better tool |
| 12:50.25 | abrotman | and really, for day to day usages .. aptitude is recommended |
| 12:50.50 | an0 | thanks for the information! ill keep a close eye on how each one behaves and try to get a good feel for which is best when |
| 12:50.54 | Bushmills | actually, dselect has a very useful aspect of functionality which aptitude appears to lack |
| 12:51.10 | abrotman | !stab Bushmills |
| 12:51.10 | dpkg | runs at Bushmills with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:51.20 | Bushmills | seriously |
| 12:51.20 | abrotman | never ever mention dselect again! |
| 12:51.35 | nkuttler | apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
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| 12:52.44 | abrotman | makes Bushmills use cupt |
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| 12:54.24 | ham5 | damit why when i click to resize my gnome-terminal v3.0.1 with metacity does it jump accross my 3 screens?? |
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| 12:54.48 | ham5 | seems all v3 gnome apps do this |
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| 12:56.17 | abrotman | ham5: if you want stable, use stable |
| 12:56.42 | ham5 | i want to report my bug ;] |
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| 12:56.48 | abrotman | go for it |
| 12:56.54 | ham5 | you |
| 12:58.11 | Sevet | if i want to rename a library from debian/rules what would i need to do? just rename the .so .la and .a files and do sed s/liboldname/libnewname/ on the .la, or would there be extra work involved? |
| 12:58.33 | abrotman | rename why? |
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| 12:59.58 | Sevet | because i need to change its name to avoid a conflict |
| 13:00.25 | abrotman | can't put it in local/lib ? |
| 13:01.59 | Sevet | nah, wanting to make this an offical debian package if possible... mysql cluster. has a libmysqlclient.so.16 but it's not binary compatible with the one from mysql 5.1 which everything is compiled against, so i'm wondering it could be worked around by renaming it libmysqlclusterclient.so.16 while still making that version available |
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| 13:03.02 | g00se | Looking for a usb installer image at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Looks promising but i can't find it ... |
| 13:03.06 | abrotman | Sevet: anyway .. you can easily try it and see |
| 13:03.18 | abrotman | g00se: use the regular squeeze netinst installer |
| 13:03.22 | g00se | (i386) |
| 13:03.45 | Sevet | true... i can also do a patch if i need to, but that'll be a very large patch |
| 13:03.49 | g00se | abrotman: But that's an iso ... |
| 13:04.01 | abrotman | yes it is .. and that's how you do it |
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| 13:04.12 | abrotman | g00se: see the installation manual .. they're hybrid images |
| 13:04.33 | g00se | Ah OK. So i can dd it to stick? |
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| 13:05.07 | abrotman | read the manual .. use cat |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | section 4.3.1 |
| 13:05.46 | abrotman | that's the only section you need to read on that page |
| 13:05.56 | Sevet | g00se: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 13:06.29 | abrotman | he could have used the website to find it himself ... |
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| 13:06.55 | g00se | abrotman: wow - that's great! Thanks. No more unetbootin misery for me! |
| 13:07.05 | abrotman | darn tootin |
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| 13:12.09 | DasEi | abrotman: doyou know if this works for other forks aca lubuntu and such, too ? (zcat/sync) |
| 13:13.01 | abrotman | if what works? |
| 13:13.18 | abrotman | DasEi: NFC .. you'd have to check those distros .. they are different distros after all |
| 13:13.27 | abrotman | but .. why wouldn't you use Debian? |
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| 13:13.39 | DasEi | usb install via simple .. mini.iso, k, I'll try then |
| 13:14.22 | DasEi | abrotman: I do, but still follow 'buntu, but (poll) dislike unity, so lubuntu is still my friend |
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| 13:15.39 | g00se | Thanks guys. Installing here i come ... |
| 13:15.48 | DasEi | I'm quiet then and report back, if I found lubu' working |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | or just tell them .. we know it works for Debian? |
| 13:16.24 | noo | is there a command to find out on which terminal the X session is running? |
| 13:16.29 | noo | in bash scripting |
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| 13:17.15 | abrotman | noo: FWIW, generally the one after all the ones listed in /etc/inittab |
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| 13:19.02 | noo | abrotman: before spending hours a stupid problem I"m just doing a chvt 1 at the start of the pm-suspend script and I want to go back to the x-session after the pm-suspend wakeup |
| 13:19.05 | jch | Hi. |
| 13:19.18 | jch | I've just dist-updgrade'd, and I can no longer log in from xdm. |
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| 13:19.39 | themill | noo: how often are you chvt-ing form anything other than vt7? |
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| 13:20.00 | jch | I'm having errors of the form "cannot open display :0" from xrdb, xscreensaver and openbox. |
| 13:20.02 | noo | themill: it's not for me. its for somebody else and I don't know how often they restart the gdm when they run their notebook :D |
| 13:20.23 | themill | noo: restarting gdm doesn't change the vt. |
| 13:21.05 | jch | /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 exists, and is root/root rwxrwxrwx |
| 13:21.07 | noo | themill: well if I do a /etc/init.d/gdm restart, then it starts on 8 instead of 7 as far as I know |
| 13:21.39 | themill | sounds very broken |
| 13:22.10 | noo | themill: thats not broken. thats the default on every ubuntu/debian and xubuntu machines I know |
| 13:22.11 | rdz | hi all. i've setup ssh public key access, so that i can login from user@hostA to user@hostB without password. both hosts have two NICs, each in a separate network, so actually there are two network paths between hostA and hostB, my problem is that public key access only works when i connect to first IP of hostA or by its hostname, but not if i chose the second IP. how is that and how can i overcome that? |
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| 13:22.26 | noo | themill: try it out on your machine |
| 13:22.27 | themill | noo: kdm has never done that. nor xdm. |
| 13:23.04 | noo | don't know about kdm, but my xdm does that and all gdms I've seen so far did it |
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| 13:23.21 | noo | themill: do you maybe know a way to fix this behaviour? |
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| 13:24.03 | Bushmills | maybe by using debian? |
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| 13:24.25 | themill | noo: nfc. X certainly knows which VT it is on so you should be able to get it somehow.... grep "using VT" /var/log/Xorg.${DISPLAY/:/}.log |
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| 13:25.07 | Sevet | would ps show which tty it was running on? |
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| 13:26.09 | abrotman | and gdm doesn't do that for me |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | gdm3 anyway |
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| 13:28.55 | Bushmills | fgconsole shows the current VT, but not for X terminals |
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| 14:04.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:04.21 | dpkg | * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on |
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| 14:11.39 | AVRS | Hi. |
| 14:11.48 | bittin` | Hi |
| 14:11.50 | AVRS | Today my Workrave crashes all the time. |
| 14:11.58 | AVRS | Now I disabled sound and it doesn't crash. |
| 14:12.08 | AVRS | I've updated PulseAudio today (Debian testing). |
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| 14:12.23 | AVRS | Has anyone else seen something like that? |
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| 14:13.01 | AVRS | It was crashing before or around the minibreak. |
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| 14:13.23 | AVRS | s/around/during/ |
| 14:13.27 | abrotman | workrave? |
| 14:13.52 | abrotman | ah okay, i see |
| 14:14.12 | abrotman | does Workrave make noise? |
| 14:14.19 | abrotman | judd: info workrave --release wheezt |
| 14:14.20 | AVRS | Yes |
| 14:14.20 | abrotman | judd: info workrave --release wheezy |
| 14:14.20 | judd | Package workrave (gnome, extra) in squeeze/i386: Repetitive Strain Injury prevention tool. Version: 1.9.1-3; Size: 412.3k; Installed: 1160k; Homepage: http://www.workrave.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/workrave |
| 14:14.21 | judd | Package workrave (gnome, extra) in wheezy/i386: Repetitive Strain Injury prevention tool. Version: 1.9.4-2; Size: 466.5k; Installed: 1308k; Homepage: http://www.workrave.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/workrave |
| 14:14.39 | AVRS | And it made one (warning about the break coming) successfully before crashing |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | ;win 17 |
| 14:14.52 | AVRS | Crash happened in seconds or tens of seconds |
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| 14:15.16 | abrotman | it has pulse deps .. perhaps something is out of whack |
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| 14:15.24 | abrotman | can you strace it to see wher ethe crash happens ? |
| 14:15.48 | AVRS | with just "strace workrave"? |
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| 14:16.03 | AVRS | with -o |
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| 14:18.24 | poisonarms | Hey all, would you recommend Debian for Linux beginners? |
| 14:18.35 | abrotman | it was for me |
| 14:18.36 | qwd | poisonarms: yep |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | as long as they're willing to read and not get frustrated that not everything is done for them |
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| 14:19.39 | Pymous | Hello ! I try to put the result of an 'ls' inside a file, any idea how to do this ? :) |
| 14:19.52 | qwd | Assuming you don't have any tricky hardware there really isn't much to it. |
| 14:19.58 | qwd | Pymous: ls > file |
| 14:20.00 | gimpy0138 | Pymous: ls > somefile |
| 14:20.02 | PerfDave | poisonarms: It was easier than Gentoo, which was my first Linux distro I installed. |
| 14:20.06 | Pymous | thanks you |
| 14:20.29 | PerfDave | Pymous: What are you trying to achieve? Doing stuff with the output of ls is rarely sane. |
| 14:20.36 | poisonarms | I see. |
| 14:20.50 | Pymous | PerfDave > Just giving a friend a list of some files :) |
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| 14:20.58 | AVRS | Pymous: ">>" to append |
| 14:21.22 | PerfDave | Pymous: Just so long as you're not going to try to parse the output programatically somehow later. |
| 14:21.32 | Pymous | I won't ^^ |
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| 14:22.13 | Aziroshin | Hello . |
| 14:22.30 | AVRS | abrotman: ok, I have a trace, but I don't understand it |
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| 14:22.49 | AVRS | writev(6, [{"\24\0\6\0m\1`\0074\1\0\0\4\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\377\377\377\377", 24}, {NULL, 0}, {"", 0}], 3) = 24 |
| 14:22.53 | AVRS | poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1 <unfinished ...> |
| 14:22.55 | AVRS | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
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| 14:23.45 | Aziroshin | I have debian testing on an acer aspire one, using a bluetooth dongle. I turned it off using the gnome applet. I then opened the file sharing dialog and the applet crased. Upon manually starting "bluetooth-applet" on the console, the applet doesn't fully come back with bluetooth enabled. |
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| 14:23.55 | Aziroshin | Enabling it using the applet doesn't do anything. |
| 14:23.59 | xylon | hi I accidentally unisnatlled dovecot, how can I get the config files back? |
| 14:24.06 | xylon | or are they permanently erased |
| 14:24.14 | colo-work | xylon, they won't be removed, unless you chose to purge them |
| 14:24.19 | colo-work | in that case, restore from backup |
| 14:24.22 | xylon | oh |
| 14:24.25 | Aziroshin | When going into preferences, there is a huge button inviting me to enable bluetooth. Upon pushing it, it just doesn't do anything and remains greyed out. |
| 14:24.29 | colo-work | configs may also be removed if they weren't altered by you |
| 14:24.30 | Bushmills | xylon: unless you purged dovecot, the config files are still there |
| 14:24.42 | abrotman | AVRS: try paste.debian.net |
| 14:24.48 | xylon | so just re-install dovecot should work? |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:25.11 | xylon | Ok, thanks |
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| 14:25.43 | Aziroshin | Okay, re-inserting the dongle into USB helps. Though, its rather cheap and doing this more often might not be a good idea (I've seen such a thing fall apart once, having the major part of it stuck in a USB port) |
| 14:25.57 | redguy | hi, is it possible to do abort bringing the interface up in pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:26.46 | AVRS | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/136239/ |
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| 14:29.23 | Aziroshin | Okay, the bluetooth dongle seems to work. :) |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | it appears to be playing a wav file .. maybe try an ltrace to see if you get different info |
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| 14:29.28 | Aziroshin | Sorry for barging in. :p |
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| 14:30.28 | redline6561 | Morning folks. I have a MBP running testing (wheezy). I can't seem to turn the mic on, the volume is up in alsamixer but amixer returns [off] on the 'Capture' and 'Internal Mic' controls. Help? |
| 14:30.30 | redguy | it seems that pre-up does care for the exit status of the command being run. will it abort bringing up the interface on any status other than 0? |
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| 14:32.36 | TheSudoer | what display manager is good to use witrh XFCE4? |
| 14:32.43 | AVRS | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/136241/ |
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| 14:34.24 | abrotman | and from that .. dbus is noisy :) |
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| 14:35.17 | pyther | Hello |
| 14:35.20 | arghx | TheSudoer: xdm is "standard" for it afaik |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | AVRS: and you've done the 'aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade' recently, right ? |
| 14:35.44 | pyther | Does debian install lsb_release (binary) by default? |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | TheSudoer: xdm or gdm would be fine generally |
| 14:36.03 | abrotman | pyther: you can look at the package to see |
| 14:36.04 | AVRS | abrotman: no, I updated packages with Sep 29 or earlier at the latest entry in the Changelog |
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| 14:36.11 | abrotman | uh .. no, you're not on Ddebian .. let me look :) |
| 14:36.18 | abrotman | AVRS: make sure you're fully up to date |
| 14:36.27 | AVRS | ok |
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| 14:36.35 | pyther | abrotman: not sure what to look at, I'm not a debian person, can you point me in the right direction? Note: I don't even have access to a debian system |
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| 14:36.41 | eMZi0767 | May I get help with "apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}" error? |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | pyther: the packge is "optional" |
| 14:37.04 | abrotman | eMZi0767: what version of linux is that? |
| 14:37.13 | abrotman | pyther: so it's not part of the default generally |
| 14:37.32 | heroxbd | Hi, somebody has broken into my system and ran an executable and deletated the executable. Now it is running in memory. How it dump it out to investigate the damn thing? |
| 14:37.33 | pyther | abrotman: ok |
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| 14:37.43 | eMZi0767 | Knoppix 6.x |
| 14:37.46 | pyther | does debian use numerical version numbers? |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | pyther: however... if you choose all "standard" packages .. it is installed |
| 14:37.53 | heroxbd | s/it/to/ |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | pyther: and most people do use that package set |
| 14:38.09 | notslad | heroxbd: well.. you can run an strace on the process to see what it is currently doing.. |
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| 14:38.16 | abrotman | eMZi0767: try #knoppix |
| 14:38.17 | pyther | so it is pretty safe to assume they have that installed, ok, good |
| 14:38.24 | notslad | heroxbd: I'm not sure how to do what you actually asked yet, though :^) |
| 14:38.27 | abrotman | pyther: probably 95%, yes |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | probably 99% |
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| 14:38.36 | abrotman | !tell pyther about popcon |
| 14:38.45 | eMZi0767 | But isn't knoppix a debian-based distribution? |
| 14:38.47 | Bushmills | heroxbd: why would you investigate, rather than reinstall? professional interest? |
| 14:38.49 | heroxbd | notslad: >.< |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | eMZi0767: we support Debian here, not debian-based |
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| 14:39.12 | heroxbd | Bushmills: curiosity |
| 14:39.13 | AVRS | abrotman: what I updated today included kvirc, libgnome-keyring0, libgweather*, libhighgui2.1, thunar, some fonts, gnome-system-monitor, java, binfmt-support. |
| 14:39.25 | AVRS | abrotman: libpulse-browse0 was deleted when updating libpulse* |
| 14:39.25 | abrotman | AVRS: probably from yesterday |
| 14:39.28 | heroxbd | Bushmills: wondering what the man behind it want to do |
| 14:39.29 | TheSudoer | hmm abrotman, gdm3? gdm is found. |
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| 14:39.45 | abrotman | TheSudoer: squeeze? wheezy? |
| 14:39.53 | heroxbd | Bushmills: strace shows nothing interesting |
| 14:39.55 | TheSudoer | wheezy |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | judd: versions gdm3 |
| 14:40.03 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze4; sid: 2.30.5-11; wheezy: 2.30.5-11; experimental: 3.0.4-2 |
| 14:40.37 | pyther | could someone paste the results of lsb_release -rs and lsb_release -cs please? |
| 14:40.44 | heroxbd | I forgot to do security updates for squeeze :( |
| 14:41.02 | abrotman | gives pyther a VM :) |
| 14:41.23 | AVRS | abrotman: and yesterday (in case I didn't notice the workrave issueâ¦) dmidecode, gcalctoolfuse, djvulibre, libdvdread4, fuse, liborc-0.4-0, libp11-kit0, libpangomm-1.4-1, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libtalloc2, libwps-0.2-2, libreoffice, zenity |
| 14:41.28 | Bushmills | heroxbd: a problem you face is: how do you know that diagnostic tools you run against the process haven't been tempered with |
| 14:41.28 | petemc | heroxbd: have you looked in /proc/$PID/ ? |
| 14:41.29 | pyther | abrotman: I should set one up, but I'd have to setup like 6 vms for different distros, kinda time consuming :-/ |
| 14:41.35 | arghx | pyther: that would be different for everyone and very very useless. so why should we? |
| 14:41.37 | Sevet | pyther: '6.0.3' and 'squeeze' |
| 14:41.47 | pyther | Sevet: cheers |
| 14:41.48 | abrotman | arghx: he wants to know what a general Debian one looks like |
| 14:42.02 | pyther | arghx: I wanted to make sure -rs repoted a number and -cs reported a string |
| 14:42.10 | arghx | pyther: a unstable one says so for -rs and has no version number |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | says so? |
| 14:42.30 | pyther | arghx: ok, that is acceptable |
| 14:42.38 | arghx | and probably wheezy does similarly since it has no version number either |
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| 14:42.47 | arghx | abrotman: an unstable debian says "unstable" for rs |
| 14:42.50 | arghx | -rs |
| 14:42.54 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 14:42.56 | TheSudoer | abrotman: gdm3 seems to want to install abit of gnome related things, like gnome-power-manager...is that right? |
| 14:42.59 | pyther | there isn't a release file like /etc/redhat-release on debian is there? |
| 14:43.01 | heroxbd | Bushmills: I newly install them... -_-bb |
| 14:43.05 | TheSudoer | I am trying to use xfce4 and gdm3 |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | TheSudoer: not the end of the world |
| 14:43.08 | arghx | pyther: /etc/debian_version |
| 14:43.13 | TheSudoer | abrotman: ok |
| 14:43.17 | abrotman | don't use /etc/debian_version |
| 14:43.21 | pyther | arghx: does the contain just hte codename? |
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| 14:43.27 | heroxbd | petemc: wow, good place. let me see... |
| 14:43.28 | Bushmills | heroxbd: how do you know that the installer hasn't been tempered with= |
| 14:43.35 | abrotman | pyther: that file is not good to use on any Debina-based system |
| 14:43.37 | arghx | abrotman: why not? |
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| 14:43.44 | notslad | heroxbd: try cat'ing the PID in /proc... eg "cat /proc/PID/smaps |
| 14:43.52 | pyther | I'm trying to get the verison and codename, so lsb would be the preferred attempt, yes? |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | yes, we told you that yesterday |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | the debian_version file is unreliable |
| 14:44.06 | pyther | then fallback on debian_version |
| 14:44.11 | pyther | ok, got it |
| 14:44.15 | abrotman | especially if it's not actually Debian |
| 14:44.22 | pyther | abrotman: just trying ot keep it straigh for all the distros |
| 14:44.41 | abrotman | pyther: lsb_release shold work for all distros |
| 14:44.43 | themill | lsb_release can generate random things too, as we saw yesterday |
| 14:44.43 | pyther | in the case of RHEL + clones, it is more reliable to use /etc/redhat-release |
| 14:45.10 | pyther | abrotman: Fedora, Suse, and older version of RHEL don't include lsb_release |
| 14:45.11 | abrotman | themill: as opposed to the ubuntu box i'm working on that's a server with a custom kernel that says "squeeze/unstable" ? |
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| 14:45.34 | themill | fun |
| 14:45.40 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 14:45.45 | pyther | abrotman: I appreciate the help |
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| 14:46.06 | notslad | pyther: opensuse does.. I don't have a suse system around atm, but I was pretty sure it included lsb_release |
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| 14:46.37 | pyther | notslad: hmm maybe older version don't |
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| 14:48.05 | abrotman | how old is old? |
| 14:48.52 | koko_ | hello what is the best captive portal ? |
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| 14:49.16 | koko_ | i have to implement it in our company |
| 14:49.39 | heroxbd | does "node number of a local file" from lsof mean the node number of that file on the FS? |
| 14:49.43 | abrotman | captive portal? |
| 14:50.00 | heroxbd | notslad: ThX, I am cating here and there. |
| 14:50.08 | koko_ | yeah captive portal |
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| 14:51.59 | DaGra | Hi ! |
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| 14:52.28 | jnix | koko_: that's all subjective to your needs/wants |
| 14:52.36 | jnix | have you looked at zentyal? http://zentyal.org |
| 14:52.46 | jnix | it's ubuntu based *cuts self* but its a decent product |
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| 14:53.18 | koko_ | ths jnix |
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| 14:55.50 | AVRS | abrotman: ok, I updated everything but grub and libsoundtouch0 (they have had some bugs apt-listbugs warns about for some time) |
| 14:56.22 | AVRS | abrotman: now what, ltrace again? |
| 14:56.34 | AVRS | there was something â¦dbusâ¦glib⦠updated |
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| 15:00.35 | abrotman | AVRS: still happening ? |
| 15:00.39 | AVRS | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:01.02 | abrotman | have you loggedout/loggedinb? |
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| 15:01.27 | AVRS | no |
| 15:01.36 | Rinsmaster | How could I get a list of all recently installed packages (ordered by date, descending)? |
| 15:01.45 | abrotman | not sure how pervasive dbus is |
| 15:01.47 | notslad | heroxbd: you might also check "lsof -p PID" to see what files it's poking at currently |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | !tell Rinsmaster about installed |
| 15:01.54 | abrotman | not sure about by date |
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| 15:02.02 | abrotman | Rinsmaster: oh .. ls -ltr /usr/share/doc/ |
| 15:02.16 | AVRS | abrotman: I'll do it; I think I always seen only issues with dbus :p |
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| 15:02.56 | Rinsmaster | abrotman: Does every package have a folder in there? |
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| 15:03.58 | heroxbd | notslad: it's now making an outgoing connect to .ru. I am tcpdumping it |
| 15:04.17 | AVRS | abrotman: restarted X and dbus (dbus-daemon was still running), still crashes |
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| 15:05.29 | heroxbd | the executable file was deleted: xxxxx 4557 root txt REG 104,1 2427193 11698214 /root/xxxxxx (deleted) |
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| 15:06.59 | notslad | heroxbd: that could be a bad sign.. depending on how often you expect connections from there to be made to russia :^) |
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| 15:08.05 | kkulhavy | Hello how can I copy some (20) of Firefox bookmarks from one computer to another, without deleting the existing bookmarks on the target computer? |
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| 15:09.01 | Bushmills | "import bookmarks" |
| 15:09.03 | oobe | kkulhavy, ff now has a feature called sync for sharing bookmarks and history logins etc. between 2 pcs |
| 15:09.16 | Bushmills | that's a function in iceweasel |
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| 15:10.06 | Ergo^ | hello guys, i just performed apt get update and my grub seems to got obliterated on the server, hangs waiting forever |
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| 15:10.25 | Ergo^ | "grub loading" forever |
| 15:10.29 | kkulhavy | oobe, where is this sync function? I went through all menus (1st level) and didnt find |
| 15:10.35 | kkulhavy | Bushmills, thanks |
| 15:10.38 | Ergo^ | whats the next step to get it fixed ? |
| 15:10.48 | Bushmills | Ergo^: update doesn't modify anything in grub or boot or installed packages |
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| 15:11.16 | oobe | kkulhavy, I havent used it but in ff 6 it appears under tools with the menu option for "setup sync" |
| 15:11.25 | oobe | I am using ff not iceweasel |
| 15:11.26 | kkulhavy | I have iceweasel 3.0.6 |
| 15:11.35 | oobe | yes that version is too old |
| 15:11.36 | Ergo^ | Bushmills, well it showed me a screen saying that its supposed to modify grub and if im unsure - i should tick all partitions to install grub |
| 15:11.38 | kkulhavy | I think I try with export-import |
| 15:11.38 | Ergo^ | which i did |
| 15:11.42 | Ergo^ | and it died on reboot |
| 15:11.48 | oobe | there would be another way |
| 15:11.49 | themill | oobe: You've been asked several times not to stick crap into dpkg. Go away, and come back when you've grown up. |
| 15:11.52 | Bushmills | Ergo^: then it's not a mere update you did |
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| 15:12.05 | Ergo^ | Bushmills, apt-get update , apt-get upgrade |
| 15:12.12 | Bushmills | Ergo^: see |
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| 15:13.40 | Ergo^ | ok, so where should i seek help regarding grub issue ? |
| 15:13.59 | Bushmills | what was upgraded? |
| 15:14.33 | Bushmills | with stable, only security upgrades would be expected. is that what happened? |
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| 15:15.06 | Ergo^ | i dont have access to the machine right now so i cant check |
| 15:15.07 | Ergo^ | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=grub2 |
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| 15:15.19 | Ergo^ | seems there was update of grub2 recently |
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| 15:15.47 | Bushmills | you need to check before you know what to you upgraded? |
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| 15:16.14 | Ergo^ | ok, you dont intend to help, so maybe someone else ;-) |
| 15:16.15 | Bushmills | well, then you better do (check) |
| 15:16.33 | Bushmills | no help possible without knowing what you upgraded to |
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| 15:16.44 | Rienzilla | Hey everyone. I have a debian squeeze system running isc dhcpd. The I restarted it, /var/lib/dhcpd.leases does not contain any lease, yet DHCPDISCOVERS are answered by the dhcpd server with 'no free leases'. There is a range declaration in the subnet. How can I check what's going on? |
| 15:16.46 | berkley | Is it possible to install a deb package to my home directory without having sudo? |
| 15:16.49 | kkulhavy | Bushmills, I have transferred the bookmarks with export import. Thans! |
| 15:16.58 | Rienzilla | s/The I/I/ |
| 15:16.58 | abrotman | Rinsmaster: i believe so |
| 15:17.10 | Ergo^ | Bushmills, i cant boot my machine, at this point if i cant access it it doesnt matter what package got updated |
| 15:17.19 | Ergo^ | maybe i can fix it from recovery somehow |
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| 15:17.25 | themill | berkley: not really. Not in a way that you can expect it to actually work. |
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| 15:17.33 | berkley | themill: Thanks |
| 15:17.36 | jordanm | berkley: you can extract it, but that is not really "installing" it |
| 15:17.47 | Bushmills | i can't tell. but as you expressed, maybe somebody else can |
| 15:17.53 | jordanm | berkley: if its a small interpreter application, it might function |
| 15:18.05 | jordanm | s/interpreter/interpreted/ |
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| 15:18.43 | hroi | I would like to add a basic webservice on my debian |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | hroi: more details would be good |
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| 15:19.09 | hroi | Im not sure where to start? I was hoping to have a folder under /var/www/ |
| 15:19.18 | hroi | apache perhaps? |
| 15:19.29 | hroi | it only need support html, no cgi required |
| 15:19.32 | Bushmills | too heavy for "basic web" |
| 15:19.37 | Bushmills | boa maybe |
| 15:19.41 | hroi | ok |
| 15:19.43 | hroi | boa |
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| 15:19.46 | jordanm | you would need a webserver such as a apcache |
| 15:19.58 | ham5 | interwebz |
| 15:20.02 | hroi | I would prefer something light I suppose |
| 15:20.18 | jordanm | Bushmills: one good thing about apache for a beginner is that it is well documented and discussed on the net, and easy to get help. makes up for the resource usage |
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| 15:20.38 | hroi | jordanm: how much resource it takes? |
| 15:20.42 | hroi | jordanm: space |
| 15:20.56 | Bushmills | jordanm: valid point. still, i believe apache is overkill for basic web service |
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| 15:21.20 | Strife89 | I have a problem with update-manager. It has been asking me whether I want to perform a safe upgrade for the past few runs, to which I've always answered Yes. Now, however, it appears to lock up after I answer the question. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? |
| 15:21.51 | Amarande | hmm, sounds like your updates might have reached a point where it's not able to handle that anymore. |
| 15:21.59 | Amarande | what do you get when you try to update with apt-get or aptitude instead? |
| 15:22.45 | hroi | how can I get aptitude search apache to tell me the space it takes after install? |
| 15:22.49 | Strife89 | Running apt-get update now. |
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| 15:23.23 | Bushmills | lighttpd is popular too |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | hroi: aptitude show |
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| 15:24.32 | Strife89 | Amarande: http://pastebin.com/eXenvDAx |
| 15:24.33 | Ergo^ | hroi, try nginx |
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| 15:24.44 | hroi | abrotman: aptitude show apache2 dont show me the total size |
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| 15:24.51 | hroi | abrotman: too many metapackages |
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| 15:25.56 | george__ | hroi sudo apt-cache show "package" |
| 15:26.01 | guy | Totally off-topic, please forgive me! Though, would anyone who is a Londoner would want to travel to Birmingham tomorrow for free? (need to deliver a package, though) |
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| 15:26.06 | hroi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_servers |
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| 15:27.24 | george__ | lol deliver a packge for free, why dont we have more takers? |
| 15:27.32 | abrotman | hroi: that's not what you asked ... |
| 15:27.47 | abrotman | guy: try #defocus please |
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| 15:27.51 | guy | I did. |
| 15:28.17 | hroi | abrotman: you are right, the apache2 metapackage takes up 36 kB, |
| 15:28.31 | hroi | abrotman: just doesnt help me to know that |
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| 15:29.35 | netsan | `anyone have some recommendation about HW raid controller? |
| 15:30.09 | Bushmills | netsan: quite a while back i was pretty satisfied with the adaptec i2o controllers |
| 15:30.31 | Bushmills | something 3xxx series that was what i used. scsi. |
| 15:30.38 | netsan | no, no more adaptech after they misled me |
| 15:30.42 | netsan | with they "HostRAID" |
| 15:30.45 | netsan | -sh*t- |
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| 15:31.26 | abrotman | netsan: do some research then ask us |
| 15:31.36 | abrotman | netsan: adaptec does make real controllers |
| 15:31.42 | abrotman | !sata raid |
| 15:31.42 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 15:31.58 | pipeline | adaptec is dead btw |
| 15:32.03 | netsan | really? why |
| 15:32.12 | pipeline | bought by one of their parts suppliers |
| 15:32.23 | pipeline | dunno whether PMCS intends to continue selling directly or not |
| 15:32.24 | netsan | ;-0 |
| 15:32.35 | abrotman | they're not dead .. just altered |
| 15:32.39 | pipeline | in any case the cheapest way to get an Adaptec/LSI card with BBU and all the fixins' is to buy an HP- or Dell-branded one |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | netsan: which card did you buy before ? |
| 15:32.52 | pipeline | getting the exact same card with a Dell logo costs about 1/2 as much as buying it from an LSI reseller |
| 15:33.01 | netsan | well, i was visted in adaptech site, seems like all the "sata controllers" are just "HostRAID" - fakeraid. |
| 15:33.12 | pipeline | buy a SAS controller |
| 15:33.20 | pipeline | SATA drives will talk to SAS ports, but not the other way around |
| 15:33.34 | netsan | oh. |
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| 15:33.35 | pipeline | (and there are some provisos, you can't have crazy topologies if SATA drives participate in the fabric) |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | netsan: no .. the loweend are fakeraid .. the highend are not |
| 15:33.38 | netsan | so i need some hybrid solution |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | netsan: like the 24xx series are not fakeraid |
| 15:34.16 | abrotman | netsan: IIRC, anything in the 1xxx is fakeraid |
| 15:34.18 | netsan | i gotta ask something before everything |
| 15:34.23 | netsan | I* |
| 15:34.26 | abrotman | oh no .. he's gonna ask everything! |
| 15:34.27 | netsan | does it really matter? |
| 15:34.32 | netsan | abrotman ;) |
| 15:34.38 | pipeline | netsan: the cheapest real RAID out there right now is the PERC 6/i w/ BBU. If you want 3TB support, you have to step up to PERC H700. Both cards are LSI Logic underneath. |
| 15:34.42 | abrotman | netsan: depends who you ask and the purpose |
| 15:34.53 | pipeline | netsan: there are HP RAID cards in roughly the same price bracket, but I couldn't tell you the model names. |
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| 15:35.18 | netsan | I had some dell server in my past, is NVRAM configration was dead, also the battery, and one of the disk in the same freaking time. |
| 15:35.19 | abrotman | netsan: if it's for a workstatoin to run raid0 .. then no, it doesn't matter ... |
| 15:35.28 | netsan | some dell tech guy come and say "yeah, its common" |
| 15:35.49 | abrotman | or even raid1 |
| 15:36.07 | netsan | abrotman thinking to buy some little home server that will use as samba server, and so on. |
| 15:36.11 | abrotman | if it's for a server with 6 drives and you *cannot* lose the data, and perfroamnce really matters .. maybe hwraid is a better choice |
| 15:36.30 | abrotman | netsan: you'd probably do fine with swraid1 |
| 15:36.31 | netsan | did you ever see an software raid that make a problem? |
| 15:36.36 | pipeline | if you're doing RAID5 or RAID6, real honest to god BBU RAID is *always* the better choice |
| 15:36.41 | Bushmills | for not losing data, you'd use backups |
| 15:36.44 | pipeline | If you're doing RAID1 or RAID10, don't bother. |
| 15:36.52 | abrotman | pipeline: unless the server has nothing t better to do than do checksums :) |
| 15:36.59 | Bushmills | raid doesn't safeguard you against file corruption |
| 15:37.21 | netsan | well, yeah |
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| 15:37.32 | pipeline | software RAID5 and "hardware assist" RAID5 are basically fingers crossed. The potential for data corruption is *huge*. |
| 15:37.33 | abrotman | a simple fileserver with raid5 for home use .. you could probably get away with swraid |
| 15:37.34 | netsan | in some other case on proliant the controller copy the file system error from disk to disk |
| 15:37.43 | pipeline | abrotman: "could" and "probably" being the operative terms |
| 15:37.43 | netsan | and the OS gone on both disks (that the disadvantage) |
| 15:37.44 | netsan | ;) |
| 15:37.55 | abrotman | pipeline: don't look at me .. just saying! |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | he should have a backup if it matters ayway |
| 15:38.33 | netsan | Bushmills backups are fine and you need to use them alwayse - but for the reliability, and the response time of the service (SLA) |
| 15:38.43 | pipeline | backups are not a substitute for RAID |
| 15:38.49 | pipeline | and RAID is not a substitute for backups |
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| 15:38.55 | pipeline | these are both things you should be doing as a matter of course |
| 15:38.56 | batouzo | to use disk encryption (full disk encr) is it ok to use normal text mode install (from businesscard cd)? |
| 15:38.58 | netsan | you dont want to waste full night because you building the OS from fresh and restoring backups |
| 15:39.07 | netsan | pipeline +1 |
| 15:39.07 | pipeline | batouzo: yes |
| 15:39.11 | Bushmills | netsan: not debating that - but that's not what you expressed as goal before |
| 15:40.04 | netsan | Look, I'm very sensitive about my data - and I need it available all the time - think on that like production env. |
| 15:40.04 | hroi | boa is certainly light |
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| 15:41.35 | Amarande | Speaking of disk failures and corruption, is a single bad sector really an indication of imminent drive failure and one should make a point to purchase a new drive ASAP, or is SMART being paranoid? |
| 15:41.45 | batouzo | in normal textmode install, how to install just abosolute essentialls and then add by hand Xorg, gnome and so on |
| 15:41.49 | netsan | Amarande only one? no. |
| 15:41.55 | Amarande | (and apparently either SMART or the Gnome disk tool on Debian aren't capable of saying how long ago this sector occurred) |
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| 15:42.20 | netsan | Amarande probobly that you will get a few bad sector's from a new fresh disk from the facility itself. |
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| 15:42.57 | Amarande | heh, so basically *every* large hard disk these days is going to report a "pre-fail" warning in SMART from the get go then? |
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| 15:43.09 | Bushmills | Amarande: i'd watch out for crc errors increasing in frequency of occurance |
| 15:43.14 | hroi | the boa creates a /var/www folder it seems, however it is not accessible by the general user |
| 15:43.19 | Amarande | (Apparently, SMART considers a single bad sector to be a Pre-Fail warning.) |
| 15:43.40 | arghx | Amarande: every hdd has bad sectors from the start. it's been like this for the last 10 years |
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| 15:43.41 | hroi | its user:group is root root |
| 15:43.42 | netsan | Amarande SMART tests should be return "OK" and normal beahvor of the disks |
| 15:43.52 | hroi | not root www or someth+ing |
| 15:44.01 | Amarande | Yeah, haven't actually noticed any functional issues, though I have seen two red marks on the drive in the Disk Utility. One for having 1 bad sector and the other for having exceeded temperature at one point in the past. |
| 15:44.05 | netsan | Amarande if you want more reliability, try SSD |
| 15:44.18 | arghx | netsan: you are very very funny |
| 15:44.25 | netsan | well - it depends :) |
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| 15:46.46 | Amarande | Well, someday, I imagine we'll all be using SSDs. |
| 15:47.16 | Amarande | Probably once the price point drops far enough, as with the evolution of platter hard drives. |
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| 15:49.16 | mattp_ | where do I look for the latest packages? |
| 15:49.45 | mattp_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628780#31 |
| 15:49.45 | Amarande | you mean the most recent version of everything that's been debianised? or just updates for your current dist? |
| 15:50.12 | mattp_ | im trying to find where to download the openssl package with that bugfix included, apt-get update; apt-get install openssl isnt catching it |
| 15:50.28 | Bushmills | !security |
| 15:50.28 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 15:50.43 | themill | mattp_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:50.52 | Amarande | also you should be giving aptitude or apt-get the "upgrade" command, not "install" |
| 15:51.29 | mattp_ | themill: testing |
| 15:51.37 | Bushmills | install is fine, after update |
| 15:51.41 | mattp_ | Amarande: well I was just trying to install the specific package |
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| 15:53.17 | Amarande | hmm, I'm guessing it's a given to never ever use prefix=/usr when compiling stuff from source on debian that isn't an actual debian package, unless one enjoys baldness and waking the dead with one's screams. |
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| 15:53.42 | themill | mattp_: what's the output of "apt-cache policy openssl ca-certificates"? |
| 15:53.45 | themill | Amarande: quite |
| 15:54.07 | heoa_ | are there some instructions to diagnose kernel panic? |
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| 15:54.34 | batouzo | hmm |
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| 15:55.41 | batouzo | how to create encrypted partition /dev/sda3 , and use it (after decryption on boot) as phys extend - and from this extends build say 5 virtual parittions for for /srv /home /usr and / all inside this lvm? |
| 15:56.01 | Bushmills | !luks |
| 15:56.01 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>. |
| 15:56.05 | Bushmills | !encfs |
| 15:56.05 | dpkg | methinks encfs is a package for an encrypted virtual filesystem. See http://packages.debian.org/encfs and https://we.riseup.net/debian/encrypted-folder-using-encfs |
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| 15:57.59 | mattp_ | themill: http://pastie.org/2689633 |
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| 15:59.16 | themill | mattp_: you have the fixed package already there. |
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| 16:01.33 | batouzo | Bushmills: yeah I know luks |
| 16:01.44 | batouzo | Bushmills: I ment, in the partitioner of installer of text business card |
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| 16:02.01 | dw | is there still a method to install a minimal 64bit userspace on an otherwise 64bit system? |
| 16:02.11 | dw | guessing debootstrap in a chroot is the quickest route |
| 16:02.19 | batouzo | it says: partition #3 primary 200 GB K lvm |
| 16:02.20 | dw | perl 32bit can't read perl 64bit's storables, it seems |
| 16:02.33 | batouzo | what does K mean here? |
| 16:03.07 | batouzo | is the above line meaning "use DOS table partition #3 for encryption, and then use that as phisical extend for LVM" or just "use that for LVM" ? |
| 16:04.03 | mattp_ | themill: touche |
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| 16:04.27 | mattp_ | themill: curl: (35) error:0B07C065:x509 certificate routines:X509_STORE_add_cert:cert already in hash table |
| 16:04.36 | mattp_ | im still getting this curl error though. maybe its caused by something else |
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| 16:06.39 | p3 | hi all, i've a problem with debian squeeze (6.0.3) and xen save/restore... shortly xen save/restore doesn't work |
| 16:06.58 | p3 | my xen version is 4.0.1 |
| 16:07.05 | p3 | anyone have the same problem? |
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| 16:21.24 | batouzo | how to do "screenshot" of textmode installer |
| 16:21.37 | batouzo | any such way (other then running it in VM)? |
| 16:21.51 | batouzo | takes phisical camera - ok then |
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| 16:32.30 | blueyed | Gnome 3 hasn't landed in Debian yet completely, has it? It appears to be merely complete in Experimental according to http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 16:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | batouzo: There's also simple transcription - or read and comprehend. |
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| 16:34.44 | solar_sea | Hi. I want to make several pc's boot debian diskless from pxe and mount a debian base installation image (squashfs) over AoE. Does this sound reasonable/doable and what showstoppers should I expect while implementing it ? |
| 16:35.29 | PerfDave | solar_sea: Why not look at LTSP? |
| 16:35.56 | PerfDave | Do you mean netbooting the Debian installer? |
| 16:35.58 | solar_sea | I want to have full debian available to all workstations |
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| 16:36.19 | PerfDave | solar_sea: That's what LTSP does for you, no? |
| 16:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | !ltsp |
| 16:36.38 | dpkg | i guess ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:36.48 | solar_sea | I'll check it out, thanks! :) |
| 16:36.53 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: There's also nice packages for LTSP in Debian |
| 16:37.04 | PerfDave | IIRC the LTSP people use Debian as their base for development |
| 16:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | I run one here. |
| 16:37.25 | jhutchins_lt | It's hard to figure out just what the ltsp people are up to. |
| 16:38.00 | jhutchins_lt | They often take some distribution's version of the project and build their own thing from it without any connection back to the source. |
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| 16:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | Hence documentation hasn't been updated since etch, etc. |
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| 16:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | It's like Drupal, great if you've got your own in-house development team, kinda hard for a solo admin to figure out. |
| 16:39.48 | PerfDave | Hmm, I run Drupal as a solo admin, don't really have any problems with it since 6.x enabled automatic update notification. |
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| 16:40.41 | acu | Hey guys, does anyone uses iSCSI SANs - how fast it is - I take it that it is SCSI through your UTP cable - so the server is diskless and connects through UTP to a SAN ? |
| 16:41.20 | Rienzilla | I use them |
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| 16:41.27 | PerfDave | acu: Depends on a lot of factors, including your SAN hardware, contention etc. |
| 16:41.34 | Bushmills | acu, very difficult to say how "fast" it is as speed depends a lot on how you use disk subsystem |
| 16:41.40 | Rienzilla | it can be extremely slow and extremely fast depending on a lot |
| 16:42.12 | acu | OK, do you need special Network Cards and Routers ? |
| 16:42.15 | Bushmills | especially when you compare scsi against non-scsi |
| 16:42.30 | Rienzilla | acu: you want network hardware that supports jumbo frames |
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| 16:42.50 | Rienzilla | Most nics support that, and a half decent switch should too |
| 16:42.51 | solar_sea | acu: if the san is the same network and your disks are sata/pata, consider AoE |
| 16:42.53 | PerfDave | Jumbo frames, you probably want managed switches to keep your SAN traffic on a seperate VLAN, you want equipment that supports channel bonding. |
| 16:43.19 | Rienzilla | The cheapest solution if probbly a hp procurve 1810G-8 |
| 16:43.25 | Rienzilla | or similar |
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| 16:43.44 | acu | solar_sea: ata over ethernet ? |
| 16:43.58 | solar_sea | yes, it's somewhat faster (no tcp/ip overhead) |
| 16:44.08 | solar_sea | and plain dumb easy to configure |
| 16:45.03 | acu | Rienzilla: so you need two Network cards - one for normal internet and one for iSCSI (and I got that you want a special LAN subnet for it) |
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| 16:45.16 | acu | solar_sea: do you need special hardware ? |
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| 16:45.50 | scanf | hello, what are my options for automated network installs of debian? |
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| 16:45.55 | Rienzilla | acu: I would highly recommend that, but it's not strictly necessary |
| 16:46.01 | solar_sea | acu: no, though there is |
| 16:46.06 | jhutchins_lt | !tell scanf about ig |
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| 16:46.29 | converge | everytime i login i have to do loadkeys .../my-keybrd-map.gz , there is some way to make it automatic ? |
| 16:48.30 | scanf | jhutchins_lt: .... no |
| 16:48.32 | scanf | anyone else? |
| 16:48.52 | PerfDave | !tell scanf -about ig |
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| 16:49.34 | acu | is there an howto for ISCSI and AoE ? - just to recap - you do not need any special hardware - your network card can function dually - normal network trafic and dedicated trafic for iscsi or Aoe - so I can set a Debia Linux Server as the SAN - (do not need to buy the ready made boxes) |
| 16:49.37 | scanf | trying to setup an install server and have it install 10 workstations over the network |
| 16:49.49 | scanf | i see nothing in that install guide about that |
| 16:50.16 | PerfDave | scanf: Thank you for providing more detail to help people answer your question. You might want to look at partimage or Clonezilla. |
| 16:50.17 | acu | !fai |
| 16:50.17 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:50.38 | scanf | acu: awesome thanks |
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| 16:50.48 | acu | welcome :) |
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| 16:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.37 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Not quite the same as nstalling multiple identical systems. |
| 16:52.42 | xdexter | hello, I'm putting a python script in cron, however it does not launch properly, and not in error. If I get put in the command shell and it works .. configuration to have any more? |
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| 16:53.23 | themill | xdexter: how are you running it from cron? |
| 16:53.23 | PerfDave | xdexter: What do you mean by "not launch properl"? Different PATH? |
| 16:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | !pt |
| 16:53.53 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 16:54.26 | xdexter | my cron: 46 13 * * * /arquivos/backup/backup.py > /var/log/backup.log 2>&1 |
| 16:54.30 | Amarande | And if you run into a lot of problems, you can start calling it instead "Fully Automatic Installation for Linux" :) |
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| 16:55.40 | xdexter | PerfDave themill, shows: sh: nice: not found, however the nice is installed ... |
| 16:55.58 | PerfDave | xdexter: You need to specify /usr/bin/nice |
| 16:56.12 | PerfDave | Posibly? |
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| 16:57.37 | xdexter | PerfDave, Yes, I did and the following error: /usr/bin/nice: rm: File or directory not found |
| 16:58.06 | Ergo^ | Bushmills, i fixed it, it looks like first partition boundy was too low, (probably some leftover since sarge days), had to remove first partition (which was swap fortunately), and then grub reinstalled itself without issues (otherwise it segfaulted) |
| 16:58.28 | xdexter | PerfDave, this is the line in the script: step_1 = '/usr/bin/nice rm -f /arquivos/mnt/%s*' % (manifest,) |
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| 17:04.04 | batouzo | can I easly lock all VTs - like vlock but for all consoles? |
| 17:04.17 | batouzo | oh... vlock --all .. nevermind |
| 17:04.41 | batouzo | wait, vlock --disable-sysrq ? I thought it is not possible to disable sysrq?! |
| 17:05.04 | batouzo | at least the clearing options should be undisabable for security |
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| 17:15.14 | acu | Rienzilla & solar_sea & all - so if I have 10 workstations and 3 servers - I can have them diskless -and use iSCSI or AoE - to boot and run everything from a central SAN - which can be a Debian Machine with the necesarry hard disk space and all ? |
| 17:15.18 | goose | I want to write a script which will automagically sync my xchat logs on a remote machine at login/logout. I figure at login can be done easilly enough, but how can I get Debian to run my script after I click "Shutdown", but before shutting down? Make it an init.d script? |
| 17:15.38 | Rienzilla | acu: in theory, yes |
| 17:15.44 | goose | (I can write the script, I just need to know how to get it to run at login/logout) |
| 17:15.50 | Rienzilla | how well it will work out really depends on your hardware setup |
| 17:15.53 | Rienzilla | but for example |
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| 17:16.04 | acu | Rienzilla, yes :) I was waiting for example |
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| 17:16.53 | Rienzilla | I have a diskless virtualisation cluster consisting of a number of diskless servers, and they boot their hypervisor and the VM's their run from an iscsi san (which is, in fact, a debian machine) |
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| 17:17.13 | Rienzilla | and this setup runs around 50 windows remote desktop sessions and some other stuff |
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| 17:18.30 | acu | clever - I like it ! though I have to read last part 50 Microsoft Windows ? |
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| 17:18.52 | Rienzilla | yes |
| 17:19.56 | Rienzilla | I'm not 100% sure about the support for iscsi in different os'es (and iscsi as a boot disk) but I'm quite certain you can boot debian from iscsi |
| 17:20.01 | acu | I thought thin clients - citrix style are gone - that is why I wondered how performant a setup like this would be - I guess that at least Gigabyte LAN Cat 5e or 6 cabling routers and network cards should be in place |
| 17:20.27 | Rienzilla | If that's your goal I would really go for thin clients |
| 17:20.34 | acu | Rienzilla: for sure they are pushed in Redhat and derivatives Scientific Linux et al |
| 17:20.51 | Rienzilla | is extremely fond of wyse terminal hardware combined with remote desktop, or desktop virtualisation |
| 17:21.23 | Amarande | I suppose some business environments are still forced to run that beast called Windows. :S |
| 17:21.44 | Amarande | bwuh. wine 1.3.30 is terrible. platinum stuff not running at all, there must be some severe regression here. :| |
| 17:21.46 | mark_u | some, more like most. fack. |
| 17:21.55 | pipeline | windows iscsi client support is tip-top, and it's certainly compatible with both iet and scst, so don't swet it too hard |
| 17:22.02 | acu | I have a chance to setup something with two servers - a file and a webserver and 24 workstations - and I wonder if I can come up with some centralized easy to manage system - they are all in a LAN |
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| 17:23.15 | acu | They have already the workstations - mostly dual cores of some kind with around 1 GB RAM - actually they have HDD - but having central everything - then rebuilding and restarting a station would be easier - I wonder if Nagios will be of any use at all :) |
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| 17:23.57 | PerfDave | acu: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 17:24.06 | acu | Perfection :) |
| 17:24.14 | PerfDave | Nagios is a monitoring system, not a central config managment system. |
| 17:24.22 | PerfDave | For config management I'd look at cfengine2 or chef. |
| 17:24.35 | IRConan | or puppet or bcfg2 |
| 17:24.47 | jhutchins_lt | Thin clients cost more than cheap PC's. |
| 17:24.56 | PerfDave | God no, I wouldn't touch puppet again with a long long stick |
| 17:24.58 | Rienzilla | Amarande: There's no decent alternative for some use cases |
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| 17:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | ssh & bash for loops. |
| 17:25.41 | IRConan | PerfDave: why? |
| 17:25.53 | Rienzilla | jhutchins_lt: they do, but they give administrators less headaches, resulting in smaller adminbills :) |
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| 17:26.30 | jhutchins_lt | Until they break. |
| 17:26.52 | Rienzilla | if they break, you get one from the shelf, plug it in, turn it on, and continue working where you left off |
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| 17:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | Rienzilla: Oh, you mean thin clients. They only make sense in a large installation. |
| 17:27.44 | acu | PerfDave: I was thinking that if I setup a powerful server could serve as iSCSI SAN, but also as everything else - so other workstations and servers - will be managed easier - it would not matter much - I mean you do not need to ever visit any workstation :) |
| 17:27.46 | jhutchins_lt | Rienzilla: Something where you would have idle hardware. |
| 17:27.47 | rez- | hello :) |
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| 17:28.11 | Rienzilla | Large being ~10 seats up imo |
| 17:28.20 | Rienzilla | it pays off pretty quickly |
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| 17:28.27 | PerfDave | I had a thin client in a two-seat setup ;) |
| 17:28.39 | Rienzilla | I have one of those, but that's a special case :) |
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| 17:30.10 | acu | Rienzilla: but in fact, an iSCSI setup is actually making a workstation or server almost as a thin client |
| 17:30.25 | Rienzilla | yes |
| 17:30.26 | acu | if it breaks - get another from the shelf - boot it and there you are |
| 17:31.07 | Rienzilla | but there's more to it. WHat if the installer on your nice iscsi-hosted gets a virus, or a configuration error |
| 17:31.17 | PerfDave | I'm not sure why you need iSCSI for a thin client. |
| 17:31.18 | Rienzilla | you still have <number of seats> installations |
| 17:31.23 | acu | I am so curious of performance - I am going to setup a test envir and see how it goes - I hope it will not squeeze the best out of me :) |
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| 17:31.27 | Rienzilla | you don't PerfDave |
| 17:31.28 | PerfDave | We've been doing thin clients with NFS for decades |
| 17:31.39 | PerfDave | NFS and XDMCP |
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| 17:32.32 | tharkun | PerfDave: XDMCP on debian, how do you run it? |
| 17:32.32 | acu | PerDave: no , I was saying that you have a fully fledged workstation or server - but since it boots and runs from the iSCSI which in antother server, then those workstaions or servers are "like think clients" |
| 17:33.02 | acu | think/thin |
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| 17:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | My ltsp client just uses the server's storage. One of these days I'll get it's local USB mounts working, maybe when I upgrade to squeeze. |
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| 17:34.47 | PerfDave | acu: But why iSCSI and not NFS? |
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| 17:35.20 | PerfDave | tharkun: Uhm, I'm not sure what you mean. Most XDMs support it. |
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| 17:36.06 | acu | PerfDave: I do not know - is it the same performance - iSCSI goes to 10 GB ? |
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| 17:36.37 | IRConan | NFS will perform similarly |
| 17:36.51 | IRConan | they both just run over whatever network you give it |
| 17:37.48 | tharkun | PerfDave: I tried to connect a debian client to a server using XDMCP with gdm and it totally failed. I couldn't even get a login. |
| 17:37.57 | poisonarms | Can anyone tell me what this error means? Looks like it can't find "build." I've installed the build-essentials package. I need to compile this driver for my wireless NIC to work properly. http://pastie.org/private/r6qchxovnlo7ec8jegfww |
| 17:38.15 | PerfDave | tharkun: That's a shame. I've certainly had it working between Debian systems using kdm. |
| 17:38.32 | valdyn | poisonarms: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:39.18 | arghx | !rtl8192 |
| 17:39.18 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
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| 17:39.30 | poisonarms | valdyn: Thanks, I'm at work right now, but when I'm able to connect again I'll run that command. |
| 17:39.38 | Bushmills | you need linux-headers |
| 17:39.52 | Bushmills | ah. as valdyn said |
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| 17:40.52 | acu | The difference it seem that iSCSI offers block-level access to data, while NFS is file level |
| 17:40.53 | poisonarms | This might be a dumb question, but do I run the command exactly as is ^ ? Or do I need to put the output of uname -r where the parenths are? |
| 17:41.06 | arghx | poisonarms: you do not need to compile your own driver. /msg dpkg rtl8192cu just use a backports kernel /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:41.18 | valdyn | poisonarms: both does the same |
| 17:41.20 | vlyalcin | hi, how can i see filesystem journals |
| 17:41.33 | PerfDave | poisonarms: The $() notation replaces itself with the output of the command in the parens. |
| 17:41.38 | poisonarms | Ahh |
| 17:41.42 | poisonarms | That's nifty. |
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| 17:41.59 | PerfDave | It's a bash feature, works similarly to backticks `` in sh |
| 17:42.25 | Bushmills | posix, actually |
| 17:42.37 | valdyn | `` is ambigious in some fonts |
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| 17:43.27 | poisonarms | arghx: I've already installed firmware for the NIC and it still isn't working properly. |
| 17:43.48 | poisonarms | So I'll just compile the driver myself and see what happens. |
| 17:43.52 | arghx | poisonarms: I didn't tell you about firmware but about a kernel version which is needed to use it |
| 17:44.02 | arghx | 2.6.39 to be exact |
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| 17:58.12 | prsn | Hi, I'm installing debian on a new computer, and I'm trying to set up a shared fat32 partition. It's 250G, mount point /shared, no other options messed with. The other fat32 partition i made for windows worked fine, but it partitioner fails on this one |
| 17:58.13 | ogzy | anybody knows a tool to handle all debian servers from one interface, i want to see their versions, update necessities, ... |
| 17:58.39 | prsn | It just says "The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in SCSI7 (0,0,0), partition #3 (sda) at /shared failed" |
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| 17:59.01 | abrotman | did you create the filesystem yet? does it work in windows? |
| 17:59.43 | arghx | prsn: file -s /dev/sda3 |
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| 17:59.55 | prsn | abrotman: no? The computer is brand new and doesn't have an OS on it yet |
| 18:01.14 | prsn | arghx: I'm in the middle of installing the os, I have no shell to run that from |
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| 18:02.37 | peterrooney | prsn: it's probably a better idea to NOT make an extra directory in / |
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| 18:02.53 | Amarande | you should have an additional shell available on one of the other ttys, as I recall. |
| 18:02.55 | prsn | why does it matter? |
| 18:02.57 | peterrooney | prsn: also, CTRL-ALT-F2 should bring you to a screen that lets you run a shell |
| 18:03.09 | prsn | ah, ok |
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| 18:03.21 | prsn | file: not found |
| 18:04.13 | peterrooney | prsn: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEROOTFILESYSTEM |
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| 18:04.45 | jaakkos | why are you using fat instead of ntfs btw |
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| 18:05.06 | prsn | because ntfs isn't one of the options the installer gives me |
| 18:05.11 | abrotman | prsn: you have to create a filesystem before you can mount it |
| 18:05.20 | abrotman | and i'm not sure on the size limits |
| 18:05.23 | prsn | i was thinking i might have to reformat that partition when i actually install windows |
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| 18:05.32 | prsn | abrotman: right, I'm trying to? |
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| 18:06.01 | prsn | peterrooney: where would you recommend I put the shared partition? |
| 18:06.24 | LegoLinux | Slackware user here, I like bleeding edge distros but I want to move around. Should I do debian server or gentoo? |
| 18:06.25 | abrotman | it doesn't matter really .. |
| 18:06.39 | abrotman | LegoLinux: we're going to tell you Debian :) |
| 18:06.51 | ompaul | LegoLinux: and when you ask in #gentoo what will they tell you |
| 18:06.53 | abrotman | LegoLinux: but Debian/stable isn't "bleeding edge" |
| 18:06.54 | peterrooney | prsn: you'll do better, after partitioning, to install windows first then debian. Microsoft thinks it owns the boot loader and will happily overwrite whatever the debian installer puts there instead of co-existing peacefully. |
| 18:07.38 | prsn | well, I don't have the windows disc yet and I need debian today, so I'll just have to solve that then |
| 18:07.56 | prsn | thanks for the heads up though |
| 18:07.58 | abrotman | prsn: i'd just isntall the OS and do the shared fat32 after the install |
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| 18:08.26 | peterrooney | prsn: depends entirely on the purpose of the drive. e.g. if its' for users, try '/home/' |
| 18:08.37 | prsn | abrotman: so just leave that space empty? |
| 18:08.54 | prsn | I have my swap partition just after it, will it be bad to leave a hole like that? |
| 18:10.29 | abrotman | nope |
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| 18:13.56 | prsn | so, how bad will it be when I do want to install windows? What will I have to do to make them play nice? |
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| 18:20.35 | LegoLinux | debian/experimental |
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| 18:21.27 | ompaul | LegoLinux: you will be the only person on the planet running that as production |
| 18:21.31 | ompaul | good luck with that |
| 18:21.49 | ompaul | and no we won't help ;-) |
| 18:22.21 | ompaul | so don't think about it |
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| 18:25.32 | prsn | earlier someone was saying that installing windows when debian is already installed would overwrite the boot loader and stuff. Sadly, I have to do it. What exactly will I need to do to make it work? |
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| 18:27.09 | ompaul | !fixmbr |
| 18:27.09 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 18:27.12 | karlpinc | prsn: In my experience, backup everything, re-isntall, and restore. But I don't have a lot of experience. (The last time I tried MS took the whole disk for itself, like it or not, and I had to shrink it's partition and basically start over.) Because this is really a MS question it's not really on-topic -- at least not the part about what the MS installer will do. When you find out you can tell us and we |
| 18:27.23 | karlpinc | prsn: can tell you what to do about it. |
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| 18:28.04 | karlpinc | prsn: At minimum, fixing the mbr as ompaul pointed out will be required. |
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| 18:28.32 | ompaul | prsn: at the end back up your data,before you install debian format the first partition fat32 |
| 18:28.42 | Guest54822 | hmm, why does iscsitarget-dkms on a nslu2 (ixp4xx) build a module for iop32x ? |
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| 18:29.07 | ompaul | prsn: you will be installing windows to the first partition |
| 18:29.23 | ompaul | prsn: make sure you have a live cd before you start |
| 18:29.33 | prsn | I'm installing from a live cd right now |
| 18:29.35 | ompaul | prsn: consider rejecting windows - life is better |
| 18:29.51 | prsn | I agree, but sadly, necessary for some things |
| 18:29.55 | ompaul | no |
| 18:30.00 | prsn | yes |
| 18:30.07 | ompaul | I choose not to have those things |
| 18:30.23 | prsn | I'm really glad your life is arranged such that that is an option for you! |
| 18:30.26 | karlpinc | prsn: You could run wine. Or you could install ms into a vm. The latter is surely safer and easier than trying to dual boot. |
| 18:31.04 | karlpinc | prsn: Why do you need MS Windows? |
| 18:32.03 | prsn | karlpinc: I am so uninterested in justifying my life choices to this irc channel. I have to do it, I know it's possible because I've done it before, and I just want to get it up and running as quickly and painlessly as possible. |
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| 18:32.43 | karlpinc | prsn: I'm not asking for justification. I'm asking because we may be able to tell you why you don't need it. |
| 18:32.43 | PerfDave | prsn: I run Windows as a kvm VM within Debian, this is a convenient solution for me. |
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| 18:32.58 | karlpinc | PerfDave: MS works with kvm? |
| 18:33.00 | PerfDave | I use samba to access files in my homedir from Windows to share them. |
| 18:33.10 | PerfDave | karlpinc: Why wouldn't it? |
| 18:33.11 | jnix | karlpinc: yes |
| 18:33.28 | jnix | karlpinc: it'll even do mac osx i hear |
| 18:33.28 | PerfDave | It doesnt' know it's running in a VM, that's kind of the point of virtualisation. |
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| 18:33.35 | karlpinc | PerfDave: Dunno. Because it'd have to play nice and MS never does? |
| 18:33.53 | PerfDave | karlpinc: You're letting your prejudice get in the way of reality. |
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| 18:34.04 | PerfDave | I'm no MS fan, but claiming that it won't run in a VM is just stupid. |
| 18:34.17 | karlpinc | PerfDave: No. I'm just ignorant about how hardware vms work their context switching. |
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| 18:34.48 | jaakkos | we use various versions of windows in KVM at work. even things like PCI pass-through work nicely when you have VT-d hardware. |
| 18:34.49 | karlpinc | PerfDave: (And you may note above that I was the first to suggest he run MS in a vm.) |
| 18:35.06 | PerfDave | karlpinc: Virtualisation software that leverages hardware VT makes the virtualisation invisible to the guest OS. |
| 18:35.40 | jaakkos | (strictly speaking it's not invisible though - it's pretty much always possible to detect you're in a vm if you want to) |
| 18:35.45 | Bushmills | dpkg, rulesuck is http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rulesuck.month.png for an graph of popularity of different linux distributions |
| 18:35.45 | dpkg | Bushmills: okay |
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| 18:36.02 | karlpinc | PerfDave: So the guest OS could run it's on kvm vm guests? Or does the guest not see kvm support in the hardware? |
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| 18:36.28 | PerfDave | karlpinc: No, it doesn't stack. It's not Series Z ;) |
| 18:36.48 | jaakkos | karlpinc: afaik nested kvm currently works with AMD |
| 18:37.01 | Bushmills | should be useful for question like "gentoo or debian" |
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| 18:37.18 | PerfDave | jaakkos: That's mostly because virtualisation providers deliberately include ways for software to detect whether it's in a VM. |
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| 18:38.18 | jaakkos | PerfDave: mostly, perhaps, but not completely. there are papers describing methods found in malware that try to detect a VM. |
| 18:38.32 | PerfDave | Well, that malware can use the same hooks :) |
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| 18:38.34 | PerfDave | They're public |
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| 18:38.48 | tharkun | prsn: FWIW if you do need windows let it be the first to install it usually does not play nice when beeing installed on a computer that allready has some other OS in |
| 18:39.14 | jaakkos | yeah. but you can also do things such as measuring delays of certain instructions and comparing them to expected values (this is just one example). |
| 18:39.35 | PerfDave | jaakkos: But you don't need to do that. |
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| 18:39.56 | PerfDave | It's trivial to detect if you're running in a VM, because all the VM software (at least Xen, kvm and VMWare) lets you do it. |
| 18:40.00 | Wayny | if using backuppc, what do you have as minimum period in days between full backups? (general question to all) |
| 18:40.23 | tharkun | PerfDave: not so for the Sony hypervisor :D |
| 18:40.30 | jaakkos | PerfDave: yeah, but i think this boils down to, if one wanted to make a hypervisor that tries its best to hide its presence (is there a movie like that eh), would it be possible? |
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| 18:40.53 | PerfDave | tharkun: I wouldn't describe that as a full virtualisation solution :) |
| 18:41.11 | PerfDave | jaakkos: I neither know nor care :) |
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| 18:41.36 | n0sq | ok, i generated my ssh keys and installed them on the server box (added to authorized_keys file in the user directory), turned off password authentication in the sshd_config file, restarted the server but i can't connect using key authentication. i followed howto's but still can't connect. what am i missing? |
| 18:41.57 | PerfDave | n0sq: The contents of /var/log/auth.log on the server which tell you what's wrong. |
| 18:42.20 | LegoLinux | I accidentally mv -r / /dev/null |
| 18:42.34 | karlpinc | n0sq: (And hopefully you're not now missing a way to ssh in. ;-) |
| 18:42.39 | jaakkos | Wayny: something like 6.9 days |
| 18:42.41 | LegoLinux | My computer ended up setting itself on fire |
| 18:42.51 | jaakkos | Wayny: the default. |
| 18:42.57 | Guest54822 | anyone know why iscsitarget-dkms installs iop32x kernel module instead of ixp4xx? |
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| 18:44.58 | cassio | hi. i want to avoid re-downloading a bunch of debs to update my laptop, since i already downloaded them on my desktop. so i copied them to /var/cache/apt, but aptitude is not getting the message and is saying he will re-download all those debs. is there anything i can do to avoid it ? |
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| 18:45.34 | valdyn | cassio: /var/cache/apt/archives/ would be correct |
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| 18:46.16 | jelly-home | Guest54822: might want to ask in irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-arm |
| 18:46.18 | cassio | valdyn, thanks. it did the trick :) got the wrong folder when i copied the files over |
| 18:46.57 | jelly-home | Guest54822: dkms packages in general try to build modules for all the installed kernels |
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| 18:47.25 | Wayny | jaakkos: don't you find this a little annoying to do full backups each week? (considering you meant doing these many backups for a laptop and not e. g. a server) |
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| 18:48.01 | LegoLinux | Buying an amd bulldozer processor, will debian like it? |
| 18:48.04 | jaakkos | Wayny: i'm only backing up servers |
| 18:48.06 | Guest54822 | well, aptitude install iscsitarget-dkms pulled headers for iop32x but not ixp4xx, then complained about the kernel header for ixp4xx missing, then compiled the iop32x module ... |
| 18:48.36 | Wayny | jaakkos: ookay, then it's reasonable :) How often would you do full backups on a laptop? |
| 18:48.49 | valdyn | LegoLinux: its pretty new, how could it possibly be well tested? |
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| 18:49.33 | jaakkos | Wayny: i'm not sure if i like the pull-style backups for randomly accessible hosts such as laptops |
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| 18:50.08 | jaakkos | Wayny: actually a solution for that is something i'm trying to figure out for our company |
| 18:50.09 | LegoLinux | Guess ill just use windows on it till the linux kernel supports it n compile it myself |
| 18:50.52 | valdyn | LegoLinux: youre missing the point - windows is not well tested on it either |
| 18:51.12 | Wayny | jaakkos: haven't you ever used laptops so far or haven't you just backed them up? |
| 18:51.37 | jaakkos | Wayny: atm users are uploading their backups irregularly over sftp |
| 18:52.06 | Janos | hi, got a corrupted root that's on a lvm on lenny, so the system won't boot, i would like do a fsck on this partition, can i do this with the rescue mode on debian ? |
| 18:52.58 | n0sq | PerfDave: auth.log doesn't show anything about my login attempt |
| 18:53.15 | LegoLinux | So what do I run my 8 core with? |
| 18:53.16 | jaakkos | Wayny: in principle pretty much all of our work is on these servers so it's not that big deal that the laptops are not backed up... |
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| 19:00.10 | n0sq | PerfDave: oops, wrong machine log - anyway, it says unauthorized user - i don't understand what the problem is, the public/private key is present in ~/.ssh on the users machine and the public key is in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys in the server box |
| 19:00.58 | Bushmills | permissions to generous? |
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| 19:01.51 | Bushmills | too, even |
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| 19:02.37 | acu | what is the irc help channel ? |
| 19:03.47 | jelly-home | LegoLinux: are you planning to run highly threaded workloads? |
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| 19:04.01 | jelly-home | LegoLinux: or using ECC RAM? |
| 19:04.12 | rez- | acu could you please be more specific with that question? |
| 19:04.55 | acu | rez- I got it the #irc channel - thanks |
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| 19:05.05 | rez- | np |
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| 19:06.31 | xr-- | ? |
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| 19:09.01 | goose | How can I make a wallpaper stretch across both my monitors? |
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| 19:10.21 | PerfDave | goose: What WM / DE are you using? |
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| 19:10.34 | goose | PerfDave, gnome |
| 19:11.02 | PerfDave | Oh no idea then :) |
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| 19:11.51 | solar_sea | is unionfs available by defaul in debian squeeze ? |
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| 19:12.07 | goose | ah |
| 19:12.12 | goose | PerfDave, just gotta set wallpaper to "span" |
| 19:12.15 | goose | easy enough :) |
| 19:12.38 | PerfDave | solar_sea: What do you mean by "by default"? |
| 19:12.48 | diabel | Hello |
| 19:12.58 | PerfDave | I don't think it's installed on every Debian system, but it's readily available. |
| 19:13.29 | solar_sea | PerfDave: in the mainline squeeze kernel for example. I'm getting an error that unionfs is not a recognized file system type. |
| 19:13.49 | solar_sea | besides modprobe unionfs says there is no such mode and apt-cache search unionfs returns nothing as well |
| 19:15.05 | PerfDave | solar_sea: I think it's called aufs instead these days? |
| 19:15.20 | solar_sea | that's another filesystem, has unionfs been deprecated ? |
| 19:15.25 | PerfDave | Dunno |
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| 19:24.07 | Viliny | Hello! can i see my dhcp server leases somewhere? |
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| 19:24.17 | Viliny | id like to see all connected clients |
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| 19:25.59 | gimpy0138 | lease != connected |
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| 19:28.14 | Bushmills | Viliny: maybe arp -a shows you what you're interested in |
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| 19:29.37 | gele | This might be a stupid question, but I couldn't find any answer in the manual: Is there a way to make apt-get download a few packages at the time, install them, then clear the cache, then download the next batch etc? |
| 19:30.24 | gele | When I install packages with lots and lots of dependencies I sometimes run out of diskspace in the installation phase because the package cache is using hundreds of MBs. |
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| 19:31.18 | Bushmills | why install hundreds of packages when your disk space is short? |
| 19:31.23 | ludde2 | how do i permanently change the ip of eth0? |
| 19:31.24 | LegoLinux | Gentoo is hard, might go back to an easy n bloated distro like debian |
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| 19:31.41 | gele | Bushmills: Because I want them. |
| 19:32.42 | PerfDave | ludde2: /etc/network/interfaces? :) |
| 19:32.50 | Bushmills | temporarily mount an nfs export on your apt archives cache |
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| 19:32.55 | gele | If I could pipeline the installations it would be even better (download the first batch, install the first batch while downloading the second batch, clear the cache, download the third batch while installing the second batch etc). |
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| 19:33.39 | Wayny | when I instruct backuppc to backup everything below <path>, it will back up everything, no matter if it is one volume, with multiple submounts or whatever. Right? |
| 19:33.54 | ludde2 | PerfDave: thanks |
| 19:34.02 | gele | Bushmills: Yes, I could add more storage temporarily using NFS or a USB stick or whatever. But since all that cache space shouldn't be needed I thought there would be a way to make apt-get be more restrictive. |
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| 19:35.32 | gele | Download everything, THEN install everything doesn't seem to be the optimal approach. |
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| 19:45.52 | acu | some more silly questions - can you setup two physical volumes on a physical hard disk (of course when using LVM ?) |
| 19:46.00 | sephii | Is there a way to use m4 to 'template' a file and replace it with the templated content? |
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| 19:46.16 | PerfDave | acu: Yes you can |
| 19:46.34 | PerfDave | Put them on seperate non-LVM (primary/extended) partitions |
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| 19:47.54 | PerfDave | Not quite sure why you'd want to mind |
| 19:47.55 | Justin | acu: if you partitioned it you could |
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| 19:48.14 | Justin | yeah, unless your goal is to play with lvm, you won't accomplish much |
| 19:48.27 | finetic | hyper_ch: Oct 13 22:01:16 server ovpn-server[1043]: NOTE: OpenVPN 2.1 requires '--script-security 2' or higher to call user-defined scripts or executables |
| 19:48.40 | finetic | this is the only error that i could find in /var/log/syslog |
| 19:48.53 | finetic | (related to openvpn server) |
| 19:49.02 | Wayny | does /*/abc match /*/*/abc ? |
| 19:49.04 | Bushmills | that's not an error |
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| 19:49.42 | Bushmills | just informative, in case you want to hook scripts into connection events |
| 19:49.46 | PerfDave | Wayny: Because * matches / at times? |
| 19:50.05 | Wayny | PerfDave: I don't know. That's why I am asking |
| 19:50.10 | sephii | I tried with m4 -D ... /tmp/myfile > /tmp/myfile but this obviously produces a blank file |
| 19:50.14 | PerfDave | Wayny: What's the context? |
| 19:50.31 | Justin | sephii: you can't do that in general |
| 19:50.43 | Justin | sephii: either write a temp file and them move it, or use the sponge utility in moreutils |
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| 19:51.02 | Wayny | PerfDave: can I execute "mv <file> /home/*/" to move <file> into all home dirs? |
| 19:51.17 | Wayny | I mean cp instead of mv |
| 19:51.31 | PerfDave | Wayny: That's not the same question :) |
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| 19:51.48 | PerfDave | Wayny: And no, cp doesn't work like that. |
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| 19:52.09 | Wayny | PerfDave: have I asked something else before? |
| 19:52.09 | orudie | where are the apache start scripts located in debian? |
| 19:52.12 | sephii | Justin: alright thanks |
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| 19:52.29 | PerfDave | 20:49:01 < Wayny> does /*/abc match /*/*/abc ? |
| 19:52.29 | gimpy0138 | orudie: /etc/init.d |
| 19:53.14 | Wayny | PerfDave: the second question was the first question in more detail I guess |
| 19:53.20 | acu | PerDave and Justin: so create an two empty partitions |
| 19:54.29 | acu | I see I might need to reinstall Debian and Scientific Linux in one laptop - with an SSD - it tells me there are some bad sectors whatever - I should run a fsck and see whats there |
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| 19:55.23 | acu | also, when I do install debian - it sees the swap created on lvm for scientific linux |
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| 19:56.00 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:56.24 | gimpy0138 | acu: Swap can be shared between distros, although I'm not sure how hibernate works with that. |
| 19:56.31 | DexterF | any way to backup a running system? |
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| 19:57.17 | gimpy0138 | DexterF: There are many apps out there to back up Linux systems depending on exactly what you are looking for. |
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| 19:58.32 | acu | DexterF: depends what backup you want - a rescue type if you want complete restore - use dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 conf=notrunc,noerror |
| 19:58.54 | DexterF | gimpy0138: pretty much backup root and home of a runnign installation. I think that's not possible but I would not mind if I'm wrong |
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| 19:59.09 | acu | of course you need to be sure you know what you are doing though - because it can ruin everything |
| 19:59.13 | acu | but it works |
| 19:59.36 | acu | if you want file by file -you could use rsync |
| 19:59.59 | DexterF | acu: if you told that command a newbie who executed it like that with a setup like mine he would have wiped sdb... |
| 20:00.32 | acu | well the newbie has to read what I said ^^^ |
| 20:00.36 | DexterF | ddresuce only works when the installation is not booted of course... |
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| 20:00.51 | acu | who told you that ? |
| 20:01.09 | acu | I just did it twice yesterday |
| 20:01.36 | gimpy0138 | Doing a dd of a live system has many issues. It's not a crash-consistent copy of the data. |
| 20:01.51 | gimpy0138 | LVM snapshots+dd....maybe. |
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| 20:01.56 | acu | whatever details may be - it maybe so - it worked for me |
| 20:02.13 | Justin | DexterF: dd and ddrescue are not backup tools |
| 20:02.21 | acu | I did not have LVM, I just did the dd and it worked |
| 20:02.25 | DexterF | gimpy0138: yes, snaphsots would work. didn't even know lvm has snapshots. |
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| 20:03.36 | gimpy0138 | I use rsync with my own backup script: http://pastebin.com/Xufahfmm |
| 20:03.57 | n0sq | PerfDave: i hade to change some files in both ssh_config and sshd_config but i still can't login with publickeys - ssh -v says http://pastebin.com/QpH8NVa1 even though the private key exists |
| 20:04.24 | acu | I used mondorescue before it works too |
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| 20:05.27 | gimpy0138 | Justin: dd can be a backup tool, but only for special cases and not your typical file-level backup. |
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| 20:06.03 | Justin | so can xxd piped to lpr, it doesn't mean you should use it |
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| 20:07.09 | gimpy0138 | Justin: I've used dd to make a perfect image of a drive before doing major things like wiping the drive to install a new distro. |
| 20:07.38 | Justin | a filesystem level backup is almost always a better approach |
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| 20:08.12 | gimpy0138 | Justin: Agreed, but dd can be used to make a very pristine backup image if you need it for some specific reason. |
| 20:08.30 | Justin | it makes an image, it's still not really a backup :) |
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| 20:08.56 | themill | n0sq: check the permissions at both ends of the connection; /msg dpkg ssh permissions |
| 20:08.56 | gimpy0138 | Justin: It's something to recover from, so it is a backup. |
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| 20:09.21 | Justin | you can recover from xxd | lpr too :-) |
| 20:09.28 | themill | gimpy0138, Justin: perhaps you should take it to a /msg where more people will care about your own definition of what a backup is |
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| 20:09.45 | gimpy0138 | Justin: The last time I did it was because a laptop I was about to replace ubuntu with Debian with also had Windows on it and I didn't want to risk killing Windows since I would have a hard time getting it back. |
| 20:09.47 | spal | any FileZilla like tool for scp/sftp? I want to drag and drop files. |
| 20:09.48 | n0sq | themill: they are 600 |
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| 20:10.02 | themill | n0sq: "they" |
| 20:10.14 | n0sq | .ssh |
| 20:10.18 | Justin | spal: nautilus, which you probably already have? |
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| 20:10.20 | n0sq | ~/.ssh |
| 20:10.37 | gimpy0138 | spal: Gnome's nautilus can do that I think. File:open |
| 20:10.39 | spal | Justin, oh. I didn't know nautilus can do this. let me try. |
| 20:10.45 | themill | n0sq: that's not sufficient. Check what dpkg says. |
| 20:10.53 | n0sq | ssh works with passwords but not public keys |
| 20:11.03 | themill | spal: filezilla can do sftp too. |
| 20:11.04 | gimpy0138 | ...or is it "connect to server"? |
| 20:11.14 | Justin | n0sq: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:11.41 | spal | oh yes. FileZilla can do SFTP. :-D thanks. |
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| 20:12.48 | DexterF | something else: in testing, how do I prevent a custom package from being upgraded? pin prio to 999? for that specific package name and version? |
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| 20:13.32 | gumbox | man apt_preferences |
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| 20:15.22 | somiaj | DexterF: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:15.45 | somiaj | !tell DexterF about hold |
| 20:16.01 | themill | DexterF: or if you use aptitude, "aptitude hold package". Note that holds can become problematic over time when running testing. |
| 20:16.48 | n0sq | Justin: dpkg debug sshd? just like that on the cli? if so, i get a usage message for dpkg |
| 20:17.07 | rgammans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.29 | rgammans | Hmm |
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| 20:18.22 | themill | dpkg: tell n0sq about ssh permissions |
| 20:18.31 | themill | dpkg: tell n0sq about debug sshd |
| 20:18.47 | themill | n0sq: read what dpkg just told you |
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| 20:19.29 | n0sq | dpkg sshd |
| 20:19.29 | n0sq | dpkg: need an action option |
| 20:19.29 | dpkg | OpenSSH (OpenBSD Secure Shell, http://www.openssh.com/) is a free implementation of the Secure Shell (<SSH>) protocol. Packaged for Debian as openssh-server and openssh-client (install the ssh <metapackage> for both). SSH protocol 1 is disabled by default as of openssh 1:5.4p1-1. "Getting started with SSH": http://kimmo.suominen.com/docs/ssh/ |
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| 20:20.21 | n0sq | dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:20.21 | n0sq | dpkg: need an action option |
| 20:20.21 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 20:20.45 | themill | n0sq: dpkg is a bot... |
| 20:20.46 | abrotman | n0sq: please msg the bot |
| 20:21.29 | themill | n0sq: the bot sent you some messages. Please read them. Don't run "dpkg debug sshd" on the command line |
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| 20:31.43 | sanduz2 | so i made a big mistake and installed over my last OS which contained my ssh key to my server, how can i fix it? |
| 20:32.10 | rww | restore from backups |
| 20:32.46 | n0sq | ok, got it working - permissions issue & had to make some changes to ssh_config and sshd_config - thanks for the help |
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| 20:33.01 | n0sq | wonders why he's prompted for a passphrase though |
| 20:33.10 | sanduz2 | rww, what back ups? lol |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | what fix? lollolololo |
| 20:33.18 | dimir | FAIL |
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| 20:33.27 | rww | sanduz2: the ones you made when you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s02.html.en in the installation manual, which you followed because you're a good user. |
| 20:33.30 | abrotman | sanduz2: time to create new keys |
| 20:33.32 | rww | ^ |
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| 20:33.50 | sanduz2 | ah so i have to login at the server itself then eh? |
| 20:34.19 | acu | I got a Solid State Hard Disk with 256 bad sectors what should I do ? |
| 20:35.02 | JPT | i don't know... contact the vendor? |
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| 20:35.16 | BW^- | i got an issue with mysqld 5.0 on debian lenny: i needed to install a new server, and wanted to keep the username-pw combinations from the old installation, so dumped the "debian-sys-maint" user row from mysql.users in the distro-bundled installation, stopped mysqld, switched /var/lib/mysql directory to the one of my old mysql installation, started mysql , altered mysql.user as regards adding the columns missing from the old ver |
| 20:35.16 | BW^- | sion, and inserted the "debian-sys-maint" row to mysql.user . now when i run /etc/init.d/stop , i get: |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | acu: how is that related to Debian ? at all? |
| 20:35.34 | BW^- | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqldERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'sending authentication information', system error: 32 |
| 20:35.42 | BW^- | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 20:35.47 | BW^- | and this latter line repeats indefinitely |
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| 20:36.00 | abrotman | BW^-: use a pastebin, paste.debian.net is a decent one |
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| 20:36.47 | BW^- | funny enough this happens only if between mysql start and mysql stop i did _not_ log in to mysql . |
| 20:36.59 | acu | abrotman: I thought Debian has some packaged applications to check and repair the HDD |
| 20:37.05 | acu | if at al |
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| 20:37.27 | abrotman | acu: you cannot *repair* a HDD |
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| 20:37.54 | acu | of course not me - there are plenty of applications which at least mark the bad sectors |
| 20:38.14 | acu | that was my question |
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| 20:39.32 | abrotman | get a new drive .. copy data over |
| 20:39.53 | abrotman | and marking bad is not the same as repairing |
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| 20:48.10 | dimir | sanduz2: which filesystem? |
| 20:48.37 | sanduz2 | ext3 i believe, the debian squeeze 64bit default |
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| 20:48.45 | dimir | sanduz2: http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 20:48.46 | sanduz2 | would be the server |
| 20:49.04 | dimir | That's your only hope I guess. |
| 20:49.05 | sanduz2 | dimir, oh the server is fine but my laptop which runs ubuntu is the one that i formatted over |
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| 21:15.04 | tvm | 6.0.2 -> 6.0.3 completely failed on my notebook :( |
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| 21:15.45 | tvm | didn't expected this at all, i'm getting several module fails and X fails to start wmii |
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| 21:16.50 | somiaj | did you get any errors during the upgrade? Have you ensured that everything has been upgraded? |
| 21:17.53 | tvm | just clean apt-get upgrade, installed few packages, i've suspended the notebook few times since then, after a hard reboot (since my battery was depleted) half of the things are broken :| |
| 21:19.19 | tvm | this never happened to me, although i'm using debian since 2.1 |
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| 21:19.45 | somiaj | did you reboot off the new kernel after the upgrade or just keep running on the old kernel? |
| 21:20.12 | tvm | old kernel, but it is a custom one. |
| 21:20.34 | tvm | just plain vanilla, with the basic stuff on + rest in the modules |
| 21:20.36 | somiaj | are the things broken with your old custom kernel or the new one? |
| 21:20.46 | tvm | didn't try the regular one |
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| 21:21.03 | tvm | as this one was working for 1+ year |
| 21:21.08 | somiaj | You could try the original kernel. Maybe some core lib upgraded and your custom kernel is just having errors. |
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| 21:21.18 | tvm | hmm, i'll try. |
| 21:21.19 | somiaj | I would try squeeze kernel and see if you have the same issue. |
| 21:22.13 | tvm | well, problem is, that the 2.6.32 doesn't supports wifi on this notebook :( |
| 21:22.33 | tvm | otherwise i'd stick with the stock debian kernel |
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| 21:23.30 | somiaj | tvm: you could try the kernel from backports. But I would first try the 2.6.32 kernel and see if everything else works...if that is the case you may need to compile a new kernel or use the one from backports. |
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| 21:27.29 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have an nfs server set up and trying to mount my nfs server it just sits on the mount command. using the fstab method and mount - nfs host:/path as well |
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| 21:30.15 | evilbulgarian | mount.nfs: mount system call failed |
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| 21:36.06 | extor | If I get the error that the mirror does not support squeeze 6.03 is that accurate when I am choosing the main US mirror or could it mean that my Networking is messed up |
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| 21:38.30 | PerfDave | extor: I don't think that's the actual error message you're getting. What is the actual error message you're getting, what command are you running, and what is the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:39.00 | extor | PerfDave, this was during an fresh install of squeeze in a vmware virtual machine using a CD |
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| 21:39.27 | unkmar | hostility, Much hostility. |
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| 21:39.53 | unkmar | nv is crap. |
| 21:40.00 | unkmar | nvidia isn't working |
| 21:40.07 | unkmar | and I can't find nouveau. |
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| 21:40.23 | unkmar | but hey, it isn't debians fault that this ubuntu is broken. |
| 21:40.44 | PerfDave | extor: What is the actual error message you're getting, what command are you running, and what is the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 21:43.44 | extor | PerfDave, I found the problem...a bad dhcp server. ALthough you could say that the install process is also buggy because instead of saying that it cannot reach the apt repository it tells the user that it cannot find the correct version of squeeze |
| 21:44.23 | PerfDave | extor: If you can't be bothered to provide information, don't bother wasting people's time by asking for help |
| 21:44.30 | extor | In other words, the installation procedure incorrectly gives the user the assumption that it's found an incompatible distro on the mirror |
| 21:45.04 | extor | I gave you all the information. If you can't be bothered to read it then not much else I can do except maybe file a bug report with debian. |
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| 21:45.30 | PerfDave | extor: You clearly didn't. Welcome to /ignore |
| 21:46.09 | extor | Good job at keeping the bug in the install a secret from the project |
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| 21:46.22 | finetic | where can i find this iptables config file? |
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| 21:48.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | finetic: there isn't one |
| 21:48.33 | themill | extor: irc is not for bug reporting. Please "/msg dpkg reportbug" and file a useful bug report with suitable details. Did your weird network setup send you to some strange web login form rather than actually giving you an internet connection? |
| 21:49.09 | extor | themill, I had no internet connection period...it was a LAN connection because the default gateway was incorrectly set |
| 21:49.32 | extor | But debian did not correctly detect the fact that internet connectivity was not there |
| 21:49.34 | themill | extor: the installer gives a different error message in that situation |
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| 21:50.52 | unkmar | and no matter the distro, I am getting tired of so called upgrades making relatively young equipment obsolete. |
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| 21:52.26 | extor | You should switch to centy, which makes all equipment obsolete |
| 21:52.27 | CapnRazor | Hi All. Where can I set permissions to allow a user to get a remote desktop via Xvnc? I can connect as root but not my user account. thanks. |
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| 21:58.03 | dym | Hey - cfdisk on a harddrive show : Warning!! Unsupported GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected. Use GNU Parted. - How can i completely clear the partition table to be able to use cfdisk ? |
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| 22:00.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | dym: depending on your situation, that might be a very bad idea |
| 22:00.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | dym: and fwiw, parted is quite nice to use |
| 22:00.24 | dym | Kamping_Kaiser: Do you have a link to a decent howto? |
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| 22:02.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dym: sorry, no. i got the help by running 'parted' then 'h' for help (parted-doc contains doco in info format too) |
| 22:02.36 | dym | right |
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| 22:05.10 | Kobaz | anyone have an intel couger point sata board working? if so what driver is being used and what kernel version? |
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| 22:12.02 | neophtye | how does the software/package availability compare between an i386 and amd64 Debian installation? Are there differences? (I'm deciding between the two for a new install) |
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| 22:13.14 | nze | i'm looking for a dlna/upnp media server, recommendations? |
| 22:13.14 | nze | i was planning to go with mediatomb, but it seems to be broken in sid...(?) |
| 22:13.43 | jaakkos | neophtye: i think you should go for 64bit if you have 64bit hardware. |
| 22:13.44 | cantido | neophtye: never come across a package that was in i386 and not amd64 |
| 22:13.59 | themill | neophtye: the only difference is in things that are not in debian like flash and skype that can be a little harder to get working on amd64 |
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| 22:14.11 | jaakkos | neophtye: some years ago there were things like Adobe Flash only for i386 and stuff, but that's gone |
| 22:14.30 | neophtye | thanks all. |
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| 22:14.45 | cantido | themill: skype has amd64 packages now |
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| 22:14.57 | themill | it does? fun for all |
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| 22:15.59 | jaakkos | neophtye: also note that often 32-bit software can be run in 64bit Linux, especially when you install ia32-libs (not all software though). also, you can run 32 and 64-bit KVM virtual machines, but only 32bit if you have 32bit host. |
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| 22:16.08 | cantido | whether or not its actually "amd64" I dont know.. but the package arch is amd64 and it works.. the breakage with pulse audio is fixed too IIRC |
| 22:16.13 | neophtye | jaakkos: does running virtual machines on the amd64 install have better performance than on i386? (with under 4GB of ram) |
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| 22:17.26 | cantido | jaakkos: all 32bit software should run with the correct libs.. 32bit apps can run unchanged when in 64bit mode :) |
| 22:18.09 | neophtye | cantido: does a 32bit app need a setting to run in 64bit mode? |
| 22:18.12 | jaakkos | neophtye: "no" and "yes" |
| 22:18.42 | jaakkos | neophtye: that was for the vm question |
| 22:19.19 | neophtye | jaakkos: I see. I'm only planning on running 1 or 2 machines for simple website testing. |
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| 22:19.31 | cantido | http://wiki.osdev.org/X86-64#What_does_Long_Mode_offer.3F -- 32bit code on an AMD64 cpu running in longmode is a single bit ;) |
| 22:19.49 | jaakkos | neophtye: obviously a part of the answer is, what is generally faster in 64-bit vs. 32-bit but that's a bit offtopic |
| 22:20.19 | jaakkos | neophtye: second, keep in mind you cannot run 64b guests in KVM if you have 32b host |
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| 22:20.57 | jaakkos | neophtye: and finally: if you don't care of the above, then there are probably no performance benefits |
| 22:22.19 | neophtye | jaakkos: yeah. I'm not sure if there will be substantial benefits. Testing these websites will not involve flash, video/audio intensive editing, or excessive instances of one system. |
| 22:23.06 | jaakkos | neophtye: adding to cantido's answer, in practice, most of the time you only need to make sure you have the libraries available for your 32-bit binary, and it will run. |
| 22:23.20 | jaakkos | no additional magic |
| 22:23.48 | neophtye | jaakkos: neat. so its more of an underlying system setting, not from within the application itself. |
| 22:23.51 | jaakkos | (of course cantido already told this but you asked if you need to do anything special) |
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| 22:24.33 | cantido | neophtye: you need 32bit versions of anything the application is linked against.. all the apps that need 32bit libraries in debian have that |
| 22:25.04 | cantido | neophtye: things that need 32bit libraries arent as common now though.. i.e. flash is 64bit |
| 22:25.40 | cantido | skype needs the ia32 libs, but the package for amd64 depends on those |
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| 22:27.04 | cantido | even commercial, very niche, packages have 64bit versions now.. |
| 22:27.41 | jaakkos | neophtye: btw, it's a bit offtopic, but due to the binfmt_misc system in Linux, you can even run binaries compiled for ARM, MIPS and whatnot _directly_ just by executing the binary ;) it will launch qemu automatically to emulate it. |
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| 22:28.22 | cantido | jaakkos: you can run windows binaries too ;) |
| 22:28.31 | neophtye | jaakkos: nice flexibility. |
| 22:28.57 | jaakkos | cantido: oh, does that actually work with binfmt_misc or was it a reference to Wine? |
| 22:29.10 | cantido | jaakkos: there is a binfmt thingy for wine |
| 22:29.18 | jaakkos | oh ok |
| 22:29.27 | cantido | probably in the binfmt_misc thing |
| 22:30.06 | cantido | The armel port supports ARMv5E right? |
| 22:30.08 | neophtye | cantido, jaakkos : thanks for the tips. I think I'm going to go with the amd64 install, as if I ever want to install more than 4GB of ram, I'll have the option. |
| 22:30.46 | cantido | neophtye: even if you only have 4GB of ram you will want AMD64 .. PCI devices etc eat some of your 4GB address space |
| 22:30.59 | neophtye | cantido: good to know. |
| 22:31.35 | cantido | wants 4GB more |
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| 22:44.33 | finetic | Does anyone know how I can have these commands permanent? when i reboot the working of them dissapears again |
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| 22:45.13 | finetic | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:45.29 | finetic | iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 22:45.29 | finetic | and |
| 22:45.43 | finetic | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o tun0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
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| 22:45.46 | streuner_ | there is iptables-save |
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| 22:47.07 | finetic | streuner_: ah nice |
| 22:47.08 | adv_ | what do you guys use for screencasts |
| 22:47.10 | adv_ | ? |
| 22:47.24 | streuner_ | finetic: why not using iptables-restore in interfaces, for example? |
| 22:47.45 | finetic | iptables-save also works fine right? |
| 22:49.02 | streuner_ | please read man iptables-save & man iptables-restore |
| 22:49.09 | tharkun | finetic: you can do your script with iptables-save and iptables-restore. Add it to the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ and it will fire up whenever you reboot |
| 22:49.18 | tharkun | add permissions according to taste |
| 22:49.54 | finetic | hmm i tried |
| 22:49.57 | finetic | iptables-save |
| 22:49.59 | finetic | and rebooted |
| 22:50.05 | finetic | but it ddidnt work like it should |
| 22:50.22 | tharkun | finetic: did you save the output of that command in a file? |
| 22:51.15 | finetic | no, but i can now |
| 22:51.18 | finetic | ok done, and now? |
| 22:51.21 | dym | Hey, I'd like to repartition my harddrive, but i keep getting errors: http://pastebin.com/sWtcCeq2 |
| 22:51.24 | dym | any hint on that? |
| 22:51.44 | tharkun | finetic: do the script that loads it and place it on the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 22:51.55 | tharkun | man iptables-restore |
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| 22:52.10 | finetic | tharkun: how do you mean do the script that loads it? |
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| 22:52.53 | tharkun | finetic: you have to tell debian to run iptables-restore when it is booting else it will not do it |
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| 22:53.58 | finetic | tharkun: how should I name the script? |
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| 22:54.06 | finetic | in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
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| 22:54.48 | tharkun | finetic: Whatever you feel like. Every script that is on that subdir will be run prior to debian pulling the network cars up |
| 22:54.54 | finetic | ok |
| 22:54.56 | tharkun | s/cars/cards/ |
| 22:55.04 | finetic | and i should just put those 3 commands in that script? |
| 22:56.50 | tharkun | !tell finetic about iptables |
| 22:57.08 | finetic | ok |
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| 23:03.20 | dym | Hey, I'd like to repartition my harddrive, but i keep getting errors: http://pastebin.com/sWtcCeq2 |
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| 23:08.58 | rmull | Hi, after an apt-get dist-upgrade (or similar, was a while ago) my apt is permanently broken and tells me to run dpkg --reconfigure -a to solve the problem. Running that throws what seems to be a loop of "substr outside of string" perl errors |
| 23:09.09 | rmull | Any suggestions for recovering the use of apt? |
| 23:09.14 | rmull | apt-get update still works |
| 23:09.18 | rmull | but upgrade and install do not |
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| 23:09.55 | PerfDave | rmull: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:10.24 | streuner_ | rmull: please paste the whole error and your sources.list in a pastebin. |
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| 23:10.43 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 23:10.50 | ribasushi | question on pinning |
| 23:11.04 | streuner_ | ribasushi: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 23:11.17 | ribasushi | well, advanced question :) |
| 23:11.25 | streuner_ | good luck |
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| 23:11.58 | ribasushi | I have stable, testing and sid in my apt sources, and I have APT::Default-Release "stable"; set |
| 23:12.12 | PerfDave | Ahahahaha |
| 23:12.17 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:12.21 | ribasushi | however once I install something from testing, it always wants to upgrade to the newer-stuff from sid later |
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| 23:12.30 | ribasushi | how can I say "pin stable to stable and testing to testing" |
| 23:12.38 | streuner_ | PerfDave: that was my first thought too :-) |
| 23:12.46 | ribasushi | what's... so funny? :) |
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| 23:14.59 | streuner_ | Why do you think backports exists, because all problems are solved via pinning? |
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| 23:15.55 | streuner_ | Why should some DD invest there time to make backports? |
| 23:15.58 | tapout | hello, i did a full-upgrade and it's frozen after a certain point, it's been there for 20+ minutes. |
| 23:16.10 | tapout | run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub 2.6.32-5-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 23:16.13 | tapout | that is the last thing i see |
| 23:16.17 | ribasushi | streuner_: backports exist for hands-off maintenance of large server farms, since I do all my upgrades by hand (reading most of the changelogs) this has served me well for over 2 stable debian releases |
| 23:16.30 | ribasushi | so, polemics aside, can what I am asking be done, or not |
| 23:16.34 | ribasushi | no is a good answer too |
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| 23:17.08 | ribasushi | streuner_: also there has not been a single instance of me finding something I need in backports (I do continue to check) |
| 23:17.39 | themill | ribasushi: it can in principle but if you're mixing releases then anything could happen.... why aren't you just running testing? |
| 23:18.25 | ribasushi | themill: because I want only part of the system being "bleeding edge", the rest is well served by stable |
| 23:19.01 | themill | ribasushi: by the time you've screwed around with libc perl and python, probably apt and dpkg too, it's hardly a stable system |
| 23:19.03 | streuner_ | ribasushi: there is <ssb> (simple sid backports) |
| 23:19.20 | ribasushi | themill: not a single one of these is ever upgraded |
| 23:19.43 | ribasushi | themill: I do things via aptitude, I can tell the impact |
| 23:19.46 | themill | ribasushi: then the things you are upgrading are so trivial that you could make your own backports without any issues. |
| 23:19.48 | streuner_ | ribasushi: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 23:20.09 | ribasushi | 2.11.2-10 |
| 23:20.19 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 23:20.22 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 23:20.28 | ribasushi | streuner_: why do you assume immediately I have no fucking clue what am I up against :) |
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| 23:21.10 | streuner_ | ribasushi: in one way to believe and another way to verify, but anyway, just follow the advice from themill then. |
| 23:21.19 | themill | ribasushi: because we see this day in day out and 99+% of the time, the person who mixes releases comes back crying that they have a nicely broken system. |
| 23:21.45 | streuner_ | s/in/its/ |
| 23:21.48 | ribasushi | themill: my own backports would imply running a stable local deb repo, with properly updated indices, with properly signed packages (so apt doesn't bitch) etc etc |
| 23:22.01 | ribasushi | it's a bit of a steep investment to get things to a "nice" state |
| 23:22.07 | themill | not at all. But that's also quite trivial to do. |
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| 23:22.58 | ribasushi | themill: perhaps I am missing some nice shortcut for all of this, is there some sort of digestable writeup somewhere what to do with a backport once (pray god) successfully built? |
| 23:23.09 | themill | dpkg: tell ribasushi about ssb |
| 23:23.13 | themill | dpkg: tell ribasushi about reprepro |
| 23:23.45 | simonlnu | reprepro is real nice |
| 23:24.01 | themill | ribasushi: out of interest, what packages are you looking for that aren't in backports that make you want to start mixing releases? |
| 23:24.06 | ribasushi | reprepro is new to me, going reading |
| 23:24.26 | ribasushi | themill: in this particular instance the kvm/libvirt combo |
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| 23:24.36 | ribasushi | themill: it's not about "not in backports" it's about "not there fast enough" |
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| 23:24.45 | ribasushi | it's still a steaming pile of shit, every release fixes something |
| 23:24.56 | ribasushi | (the least stinky shit, but still shit) |
| 23:25.21 | PerfDave | Meh, the stable kvm packages work for me... |
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| 23:25.57 | ribasushi | PerfDave: then you are not Perf enough :D |
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| 23:27.06 | ribasushi | themill: also maybe my experience of never before having broken a system by mixing releases (in 4+ tears of doing it) |
| 23:27.16 | ribasushi | themill: despite popular wisdom of "oh noes" |
| 23:27.37 | ribasushi | so from where I stand it is the easier way, but I'm checking reprepro anyway |
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| 23:27.58 | themill | maybe you should spend some time here to understand that it's not just an old rumour that it's a bad thing to do |
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| 23:29.40 | dym | Hey, I'd like to repartition my harddrive, but i keep getting errors: http://pastebin.com/sWtcCeq2 |
| 23:31.31 | ribasushi | themill: reprepro may indeed be the ticket, will fieldtest |
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| 23:32.52 | kandinski | hi, can you make keyboard layouts that include a timeout for the deadkyes, or do you need to create a new IME for that? I know this is not debian-specific, but maybe you can direct me to the proper venue ... |
| 23:33.05 | kandinski | s/deadkyes/deadkeys/ |
| 23:33.41 | cantido | ribasushi: mixing stable after its been out for 6 months and testing/unstable have changed a lot is a really bad idea.. and people have broken their installs by doing that |
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| 23:34.09 | cusco | hi... |
| 23:35.22 | cusco | so I set a chroot on /home/chroot with debootstrap |
| 23:35.45 | cusco | and there I compilled asterisk |
| 23:35.59 | cusco | and it gives me illegal instruction, after make install |
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| 23:36.06 | cusco | tho if I apt-get install it it all goes good |
| 23:36.16 | cusco | what could I be missing on chroot? |
| 23:36.25 | cusco | I mounted /dev and /sys with bind options |
| 23:36.28 | cusco | and /dev/pts |
| 23:36.45 | cusco | and /run |
| 23:36.56 | cusco | and proc |
| 23:37.36 | kandinski | à +aá |
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| 23:38.50 | cusco | kandinski: à +aá |
| 23:38.53 | cusco | hi althaser |
| 23:39.11 | stwange | hey sorry for a really newbie question, but how do I see which kernel version I can update to with my current repositories, without actually doing so? |
| 23:39.18 | althaser | hey cusco :-) |
| 23:39.27 | kandinski | cusco: sorry for that, wrong window |
| 23:39.48 | cusco | stwange: I guess: apt-get update && apt-cache show linux-image |
| 23:39.53 | streuner_ | stwange: apt-cache search linux-image? |
| 23:40.06 | stwange | thanks |
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| 23:41.27 | tapout | I'm trying to complete an aptitude full-upgrade, and the last message i see is: ... run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub 2.6.32-5-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 ... it's not exiting, what should I do? |
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