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| 00:00.16 | Zxcvb | is there any way for a single process to access more than 4GB of RAM on a 32 bit system? |
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| 00:01.19 | Black_Prince | Zxcvb, using 32 bit kernel with pae enabled. |
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| 00:02.04 | metap0d | Hi everyone, I'm using a distribution based on debian squeeze and I am trying to get my wireless or ethernet card installed on my laptop and could really use some guidance. Could anyone help me? |
| 00:02.05 | Zxcvb | Black_Prince: that will let you use more than 4GB total, but can a single app/process use more than 4GB (i.e. a linux equivelant to Windows' AWE ) |
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| 00:02.26 | streuner_ | metap0d: what kind of distro is that? |
| 00:02.39 | jaakkos | Zxcvb: perhaps you could play with mmap() to achieve it, not sure :) |
| 00:02.42 | metap0d | streuner_: Crunchbang 10 |
| 00:02.57 | streuner_ | metap0d: /msg dpkg crunchbang |
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| 00:03.28 | jaakkos | Zxcvb: i think it should be possible |
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| 00:03.50 | metap0d | I'm not asking for crunchbang advice though .... all of my questions would be debian related? |
| 00:03.52 | Zxcvb | jaakkos: the kernel would have to expose a special API for handling large memory access |
| 00:04.11 | jaakkos | Zxcvb: you would use the 32-bit space |
| 00:04.20 | metap0d | streuner_: They have a small community and therefore small set of solutions to problems. I won't ask anything specific to crunchbang .. just debian? |
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| 00:04.25 | jaakkos | Zxcvb: but you would simply change the meaning of virtual addresses using mmap |
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| 00:04.35 | Black_Prince | For application software which needs access to more than 4 GB of RAM, operating systems may provide some special mechanisms in addition to the regular PAE support. On Windows this mechanism is called Address Windowing Extensions, while on Unix-like systems a variety of techniques are used, such as using mmap() to map regions of a file into and out of the address space as needed. |
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| 00:04.48 | Black_Prince | Zxcvb, ^ that's what Wikipedia says ... |
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| 00:06.07 | streuner_ | metap0d: we support only Debian here, if you running other distros we arent able to help. Please respect that. |
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| 00:12.30 | histo | Which package would I need to install for just Xorg ? |
| 00:12.46 | streuner_ | dpkg, xorg |
| 00:12.46 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Squeeze are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:13.11 | histo | install xorg |
| 00:13.17 | histo | dpkg install xorg |
| 00:13.17 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 00:13.22 | histo | k |
| 00:13.23 | streuner_ | histo: /msg dpkg install x |
| 00:13.29 | histo | yeah sry bout that |
| 00:13.43 | histo | Just trying to test boxee on a vm prior to putting it on my htpc |
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| 00:27.59 | zeroedout | hi, whenever I start gnome-terminal or login on a tty, I get these two errors |
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| 00:42.01 | sanduz2 | so i had a public key on my laptop (to ssh into my server) and i formatted the laptop and lost it. can someone tell me what i should do next? im guessing i need to login to the server directly but then what? unlock my user account and then do the process over again? |
| 00:44.09 | jaakkos | sanduz2: you need the private key to log in, and apparently you lost that. ssh to the remote server and remove the public key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. then run ssh-keygen and ssh-copy-id again. |
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| 00:45.03 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, how am i supposed to ssh into the server if im locked out? |
| 00:45.27 | jaakkos | password login. if you can't, then you're out of luck |
| 00:46.09 | jaakkos | well you could run some programs that try to recover removed files on your laptop |
| 00:46.23 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, yea i locked all users lol. so i guess my only option would be to directly login to the box itself, and unlock the users and then do the remote login and run the stuff you mentioned/ |
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| 00:46.31 | sanduz2 | right? |
| 00:46.38 | jaakkos | what do you mean by locking btw |
| 00:46.52 | cusco | or login physically as you're saying, and get the file in ~/.ssh |
| 00:47.02 | sanduz2 | i disabled root login via ssh, and i also locked my users account completely |
| 00:47.15 | jaakkos | passwd -l ? |
| 00:47.16 | cusco | what do you mean by locked? |
| 00:47.31 | sanduz2 | cusco, if the file is missing from my laptop completely i can just take the file from the server and bring it back? im a noob at ssh |
| 00:47.37 | sanduz2 | yes by locked i mean passwd -l |
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| 00:48.09 | jaakkos | sanduz2: you most likely won't have the private key on the server. |
| 00:48.55 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, i see. so ill unlock the user and do it over right? |
| 00:49.54 | jaakkos | yes. be careful with the keys and stuff if you don't know how they work btw |
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| 00:50.50 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, what do you mean? sorry. i figured that as long as i can login via password then the ssh keys are inconsequential? |
| 00:51.43 | jaakkos | it's not really true (unless your password is bad) |
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| 00:53.08 | jaakkos | there are many motivations why one might want to use the keys |
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| 00:54.00 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, i thought the keys are just get generated new ones when you do the ssh-keygen stuff |
| 00:54.18 | jaakkos | for instance if you need to access lots of servers, you could have your public key on all of those and you could log on to any of those without typing the password over and over again |
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| 00:54.41 | jaakkos | it's also important to protect the private key by having it encrypted and using ssh-agent or using full disk encryption |
| 00:54.53 | jaakkos | yes new ones are generated |
| 00:55.19 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, oh i see what you mean. i only have one server and one computer i login from, so i guess it should be okay |
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| 00:55.48 | sanduz2 | thanks for the help! |
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| 00:57.38 | jaakkos | note that if you don't protect the private key and it's not encrypted, then if your laptop gets stolen, they will have instant access to any server you've installed the pubke on |
| 00:59.50 | sanduz2 | jaakkos, i see. thanks. so i can think of the public keys as the locks, and the private key as the master key that unlocks them heh |
| 01:00.44 | jaakkos | i think that's good enough :) |
| 01:01.25 | jaakkos | note that you never log in with the public key. always private key. |
| 01:01.32 | jaakkos | contrary what you said up there |
| 01:01.58 | sanduz2 | understood :) |
| 01:02.45 | rypervenche | ,versions nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 01:02.46 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-graphics-drivers' was found in i386. |
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| 01:29.30 | alesan | hi |
| 01:29.40 | alesan | what parts in a debian system can be set as readonly? |
| 01:30.05 | alesan | or, conversely... which parts absolutely need to be mounted read/write? |
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| 01:37.58 | peterrooney | alesan: /msg dpkg fhs |
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| 01:38.20 | alesan | http://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot |
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| 01:48.40 | f3xius | there are any pastebinish packages in the repos? |
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| 01:48.47 | cheako | Hello, I use empathy for video chat and I was wondering if there was a way to integrate a whiteboard or to stream desktop? |
| 01:48.50 | f3xius | like pastebin server |
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| 01:49.55 | unkmar | dual head help with nv drivers |
| 01:50.29 | unkmar | I've been searching google but keeping hitting my dual-head against a wall. |
| 01:51.09 | f3xius | did you use that nvidia-xconfig util or whatever? |
| 01:51.19 | f3xius | auto gen a xorg.conf for you |
| 01:51.27 | cheako | f3xius: Hmm, looks like you'd just have to write something. Can't be more then 50 lines of perl/php. |
| 01:51.50 | f3xius | but I'm writing x86 right now :_( <-- being side tracked |
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| 01:52.10 | cheako | f3xius: Personally that's the kind of thing I'd tack on to an IRC bot. |
| 01:52.21 | f3xius | hmm |
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| 01:54.22 | unkmar | that expects the nvidia driver, not nv and I have been unable to get the nvidia driver to work at all. |
| 01:54.36 | Na_Klar | I do not understand how /dev/input/eventX works. Where can I find information about that. Not sure how "debian-related" that is. |
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| 01:56.18 | cheako | Na_Klar: ev.h? I can likely answer questions. |
| 01:56.54 | cheako | Na_Klar: Reading from these devices will relate events. |
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| 01:58.21 | SubaruFre | Hosted a bunch of software on my webserver if anyones interested, business package hosting so unlimited bandwidth/250tb of space, lol...regardless, just hit the downloads section at http://www.subarufreaks.com you don't have to actually care about the subarus, its just my domain name lol |
| 01:58.38 | Na_Klar | cheako, well on my machine event3 represents the keyboard. When I cat event3 I see a reaction on key events. What I mainly do not get is why every event seems to have completely different bytes .. are there information like the time also respected? I expected to see a specific binary code for each event, but always the same for the same event .. |
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| 01:59.44 | cheako | Na_Klar: Hmm, events could be time-stamped. I'll look deeper. |
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| 02:00.56 | cheako | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6429 |
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| 02:02.35 | cheako | http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/05/grab-raw-keyboard-input-from-event-device-node-devinputevent/ |
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| 02:03.50 | TeruFSX | i'm thinking of migrating to debian from ubuntu |
| 02:03.58 | TeruFSX | all i want to "bring along" is my home folder |
| 02:04.12 | TeruFSX | can i wipe most of the partition and install Debian into what's left? |
| 02:04.35 | civillian | TeruFSX: A clean partition would be advisable |
| 02:04.37 | cheako | TeruFSX: That should just work... in fact if you migrate your home folder onto it's own patition you should be able to dual-boot. |
| 02:06.09 | cheako | TeruFSX: Are you using LVM? If so you could ~easily~ move your home dir up one dir and make your old root a home partition. |
| 02:06.10 | TeruFSX | would the installer destroy ~ if it exists? |
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| 02:06.30 | cheako | Shrink the old root to make room for a new root. |
| 02:06.30 | TeruFSX | i am not using LVM, no. |
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| 02:07.17 | TeruFSX | that's one choice, and i might just to that |
| 02:07.20 | Na_Klar | cheako, ty |
| 02:07.27 | cheako | Na_Klar: Np. |
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| 02:07.45 | TeruFSX | actually i am using lvm |
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| 02:08.45 | TeruFSX | actually i'm not sure. i think so, as fstab refers to my root partition and such by UUID... |
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| 02:09.13 | cheako | TeruFSX: Using UUID is a vary good idea. |
| 02:09.48 | cheako | TeruFSX: Though if you are careful you can get by using shorter labels. |
| 02:10.45 | TeruFSX | i think i''ll just shrink my old root, make a new one, and mount the old partition as home. |
| 02:10.51 | TeruFSX | thanks. |
| 02:11.08 | cheako | TeruFSX: That's the best approach. |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | .win 11 |
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| 02:24.34 | ksx4system | why can't I mount samba to be readable for users? |
| 02:24.56 | dvs | guest = no ? |
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| 02:25.32 | ksx4system | no dice, it works perfectly on few other boxes (winshit, crapbuntu) |
| 02:25.36 | ksx4system | dvs ---^ |
| 02:25.59 | civillian | browsable = no? |
| 02:26.56 | ksx4system | civillian: read my sentence one more time, it works just fine on few other boxes. and browsable isn't set to no. |
| 02:26.56 | unkmar | I've been searching google but keeping hitting my dual-head against a wall. |
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| 02:28.44 | ksx4system | civillian: readable and writable from my crapbuntu box, same with winshit box but my Debian netbook allows me to write there only when Thunar (file manager) runs as root |
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| 02:29.15 | ksx4system | when Thunar runs as my user I can navigate through shares and for example play video file |
| 02:29.24 | ksx4system | but I can't write/delete anything |
| 02:29.58 | ksx4system | ofc directories where I mount shares have chmod -R 777 |
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| 02:35.05 | ksx4system | civilian: problem isn't at the server side, full stop. works everywhere but not on my Debian netbook... however, I probably found solution (dirty and crappy but maybe it'll work) |
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| 03:32.08 | realityking | I'm running debian lenny on a vServer and I've run into a small problem with postfix |
| 03:32.24 | realityking | it just stopped responding when trying to send an email |
| 03:32.31 | realityking | I can still receive emails fine |
| 03:32.46 | realityking | I can telnet to it from localhost |
| 03:33.14 | realityking | but no from a remote machine |
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| 03:59.18 | arghx | the umask is the same for ntfs |
| 04:03.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ntfs |
| 04:03.18 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
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| 05:37.38 | t3i | i'm writing a server setup script, i run a script file on my laptop and it sshes into my fresh server and then copies and runs scripts there. I have one to start memcached, the commands work as expected if i login to the server and run it, but when i do it over ssh, it seems to kill the process after the script exits http://pastie.org/2693043 |
| 05:38.41 | t3i | i'm wondering how to make a process started in a script stay alive after the script exits |
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| 05:43.44 | t3i | any help will be greatly appreciated |
| 05:44.32 | Slydder | t3i: what's up? |
| 05:44.42 | t3i | Slydder: hi |
| 05:45.05 | t3i | i've got a script that runs over ssh to setup a server http://pastie.org/2693043 |
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| 05:45.22 | t3i | but it doesn't stay alive after the script exits |
| 05:45.35 | t3i | the memcached does'nt stay alive |
| 05:46.05 | Slydder | enclose the mamcached start in `` |
| 05:46.16 | t3i | Slydder: sweet man!!! |
| 05:46.35 | t3i | what is the cause of that? |
| 05:47.07 | t3i | the backticks do they have a turn in linux i can read about? |
| 05:47.13 | t3i | term* |
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| 05:47.53 | Slydder | http://www.google.de/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=de&source=hp&q=linux+backticks&pbx=1&oq=linux+backticks&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1021l6159l0l6391l15l11l0l2l2l0l298l1609l4.6.1l13l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=708eacca6f89ec26&biw=1738&bih=719 |
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| 05:49.50 | t3i | Slydder: thanks again |
| 05:50.07 | Slydder | let me know if it works |
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| 05:53.56 | t3i | i just wrapped the whole line in backticks, and updated the pastie it says "Starting: not found" http://pastie.org/2693043 |
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| 05:55.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a way to copy a whole text file to pastebuffer from cli? |
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| 05:57.01 | Slydder | t3i: you have this script on the remote server and you are executing per ssh with the -c option? |
| 05:57.54 | t3i | i'm running it with this command from my laptop ssh -t ben@myhost "/home/ben/ALL/install/memcached $PASS" |
| 05:58.13 | t3i | so that file is sitting on my server |
| 05:58.39 | t3i | there might be a better way to my whole approach |
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| 05:59.18 | Slydder | I haven't used the -t option for remote command execution before. |
| 05:59.56 | Slydder | I'm pretty sure that once the connection is closed then the tty is gone as well unless you start the script per screen and drop it to background. |
| 06:00.14 | t3i | i was wondering about & at the end |
| 06:00.51 | t3i | is there a better way to run a server setup script? |
| 06:00.56 | t3i | currently... |
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| 06:01.07 | t3i | i'm running a script on my laptop |
| 06:01.19 | Slydder | just a sec. let me check something |
| 06:01.30 | t3i | ok thanks |
| 06:01.33 | scottj | Eryn_1983_FL: xcutsel |
| 06:02.14 | scottj | Eryn_1983_FL: err xclip |
| 06:02.30 | t3i | the script i run then copies files over using scp, then executes the scripts using the ssh -t notation |
| 06:04.16 | Slydder | t3i: ok. I just did it without -t and it works fine |
| 06:05.00 | Slydder | t3i: and with the -t option it works as well. |
| 06:05.08 | t3i | Slydder: ok |
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| 06:05.23 | t3i | my distro must be broken, it's a shitty one |
| 06:05.35 | Slydder | so it is defo a problem with memcached somehow or something else |
| 06:05.44 | Slydder | what are you running? |
| 06:05.54 | t3i | Slydder: if you wrote a server setup script how would you do it? |
| 06:06.04 | ershad | Hi, Could you please tell me how to build packages using dpkg-buildpackage without md5sum checks? |
| 06:06.07 | t3i | i'm using cough cough ubshittu |
| 06:06.40 | t3i | Slydder: thanks for all your help!! |
| 06:06.52 | Slydder | ershad: doesn't dpkg-buildpackage take the -uc and -us parameters? |
| 06:07.00 | Slydder | t3i: lol |
| 06:07.08 | Slydder | could be a problem there. |
| 06:07.50 | t3i | Slydder: also im' calling the scripts from osx in the first place |
| 06:07.56 | Slydder | all my servers are ALWAYS straight debian. desktops can be mint or ubu but that is all. NEVER a ubu server. look what they are doing to the DT world atm. don't want that crap on my servers. |
| 06:08.14 | t3i | yeah |
| 06:08.15 | ershad | Slydder, I tried with and without -uc and -us. I get a message like this "patch md5sum has changed since failed apply, aborting |
| 06:08.15 | ershad | " |
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| 06:09.25 | ershad | Slydder, "make: *** [deapply-dpatches] Error 1" |
| 06:09.30 | t3i | Slydder: you know i have no reason to use ubushitu, i'll try it with debian, is there a recommended lts? |
| 06:10.21 | Slydder | ershad: are you trying to rebuild a package? |
| 06:10.35 | Slydder | t3i: I use squeeze |
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| 06:10.58 | ershad | Slydder, yes. With some modified source. |
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| 06:12.26 | Slydder | ershad: did you use apt-get source or dget or some such? if so. kill the source directory, reget and then do it with the -uc and -us params |
| 06:13.08 | ershad | Slydder, I used apt-get source. I will try what you said. Thanks :) |
| 06:13.48 | t3i | this room is so helpful that is a good reason already to use debian |
| 06:14.35 | Slydder | yeah well not everyone here is like me. you will get enough of rtfm and such but they are mostly cool and very helpful. |
| 06:14.40 | ershad | Slydder, Fresh building of package works. The issue happens when the source (downloaded using apt-get source) is modified. |
| 06:15.08 | Slydder | you have to make sure all you package data is correct as well. |
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| 06:15.47 | ershad | Slydder, How do I make sure that? |
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| 06:16.23 | Slydder | if you are applying a non-standard/non-package patch it is best to integrate it directly into the build process. |
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| 06:21.18 | ershad | Slydder, could you please tell me how to do that? :) |
| 06:21.18 | tapout | I have a long running process going in a ssh session. Usually i start screen, do my thing and then i cna reboot my computer locally. But i forgot the screen and now i'd have to restart it or is there a way to get it in screen? ^z it, screen, fg ? anything? |
| 06:22.19 | Slydder | tapout: you can try ^z then start a screen session and pull it back to fg and push it back with screen. |
| 06:22.42 | tapout | push it back with screen? ^a^d you mean or something else? |
| 06:23.01 | Slydder | tapout: yeah. drop it to background. |
| 06:23.11 | tapout | screen -S test, fg, no jobs |
| 06:30.05 | se7en | arghx: thanks but since it is an external drive fstab has nothing to do with the mounting I would need to know what is responisble to give the plug and play dev unmask 077 |
| 06:30.19 | Slydder | tapout: then I am at a loss |
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| 06:30.37 | Slydder | maybe a redirect |
| 06:30.43 | Slydder | na that wouldn't work |
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| 06:33.08 | Bushmills | se7en: depends on what you use for mounting, then. its config is where you'd determine that. |
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| 06:39.36 | frhodes | is there a bash command to switch users with gdm? |
| 06:39.48 | rez- | se7en i like the movie-like text style of that nick. i love the movie heh. |
| 06:39.58 | rez- | off-topic, i know |
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| 06:43.16 | se7en | Bushmills: kde does the mounting, I just don't know where to tell what permission I would like to give them. rez- :) |
| 06:43.21 | ars3nic | hi guys |
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| 06:44.09 | ars3nic | does anybody here could help with enabling glx with an intel graphic card ? |
| 06:44.17 | syberdave | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libirrlicht1.7a <-- this page's description is wrong |
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| 06:50.08 | sickgut | ars3nic what intel chipset is it? |
| 06:50.26 | sickgut | usually xorg has the right driver and opengl usually works |
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| 06:51.03 | sickgut | glxgears usually runs right out the box on intel gpu |
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| 06:51.24 | sickgut | unless its like the absolute newest chipset |
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| 06:55.41 | t3i | Slydder: i've got debian! |
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| 06:57.46 | ars3nic | @sickgut dunno exactly |
| 06:57.52 | ars3nic | @lspci only gives me : |
| 06:58.07 | ars3nic | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 06:58.50 | ars3nic | @sickgut glxgears fails with an major opcode |
| 06:59.01 | ars3nic | but it runs out of the box |
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| 07:00.19 | finetic | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 07:00.26 | finetic | iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:00.32 | finetic | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o tun0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 07:00.48 | se7en | what do i have to do to give a user the rights to mount/umount dev? |
| 07:00.52 | finetic | I'm looking for a way to have these commands set permanently, so when the system boots, etc |
| 07:00.57 | finetic | Does anyone know how I Can do that best? |
| 07:01.44 | se7en | finetic: a script in autostart? |
| 07:02.40 | finetic | here right? /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ |
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| 07:11.20 | llllllll | hello everyone, is there any site that shows tested laptops for debian? |
| 07:12.19 | llllllll | i'm an ubuntu user but i think i need something less than ubuntu so i'd like to switch to debian, since the base is the same anyway.. no? I'm just afraid to do a distro-install and find out later then that i have to install manually network/sound/graphic drivers. any site for me to read? thanks |
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| 07:13.01 | laurus | I plugged in an external keyboard to my netbook, and now the keyboard layout seems "permanently" set to that external keyboard, even when it is not plugged in. How to fix this? |
| 07:13.26 | nkuttler | llllllll: hardware is really kernel stuff, so distro shouldn't matter too much |
| 07:13.59 | llllllll | nkuttler: that's true. but you know ubuntu is quite well configured for laptop use so i was just asking what your opinion and personal experiences are with debian :) |
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| 07:14.01 | nkuttler | llllllll: debian doesn't ship some firmwares that ubunut might include though |
| 07:14.13 | nkuttler | llllllll: i use debian for everything |
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| 07:14.22 | llllllll | nkuttler: where can i have a look on what i might find in debian? : nkuttler |
| 07:14.30 | llllllll | double trouble :p |
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| 07:14.35 | nkuttler | what do you mean? |
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| 07:14.58 | llllllll | "doesn't ship some firmwares", i'd like to see if my hardware will be suported or no |
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| 07:15.56 | nkuttler | !tell llllllll about firmware |
| 07:16.07 | llllllll | thanks |
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| 07:26.49 | sanjoyd | After a recent full-upgrade on debian testing, I notice some of my GUI applications got a little choppy. |
| 07:26.53 | sanjoyd | Anyone else noticed this? |
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| 07:27.29 | fly80 | hello |
| 07:28.10 | streuner__ | finetic: Didnt we tell you that a few hours ago? |
| 07:28.19 | fly80 | i'm compiling with netbeans a C++ project and I get this error: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libstdc++.so when searching for -lstdc++ |
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| 07:28.45 | sanjoyd | fly80: are you sure it isn't compiling with -m32? |
| 07:28.50 | sanjoyd | (Just a thought.) |
| 07:28.53 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey all, anyone can help me out?? |
| 07:28.55 | llllllll | is it possible to install without having to burn a CD? |
| 07:29.00 | fly80 | what is -m32 sanjoyd ? |
| 07:29.02 | llllllll | like from an external harddrive |
| 07:29.04 | PerfDave | llllllll: Yes, read the installation guide |
| 07:29.11 | Bushmills | se7en: an fstab entry, with user option. or pmount. |
| 07:29.14 | fly80 | uh, it's right |
| 07:29.20 | sanjoyd | fly80: compiles it as 32 bit project. |
| 07:29.28 | fly80 | i'm in a 64bit environmen |
| 07:29.31 | sanjoyd | fly80: I know. |
| 07:29.38 | fly80 | so i have to compile in 64 |
| 07:29.41 | sanjoyd | fly80: which is why you have that folder in the first place. |
| 07:29.51 | fly80 | right, thank you sanjoyd |
| 07:29.52 | sanjoyd | fly80: but is NetBeans secretly trying to compile your project as 32 bit? |
| 07:29.56 | fly80 | ahaha |
| 07:30.02 | llllllll | PerfDave: do i have to empty the harddrive or a debian/ folder will be sufficent? |
| 07:30.03 | Bushmills | Ephexeve_laptop: sorry, quite short in cash myself |
| 07:30.09 | sanjoyd | fly80: you can compile regular C++ programs (using g++), right? |
| 07:30.09 | fly80 | no, i take this project from another system |
| 07:30.23 | fly80 | i have to change that option |
| 07:30.28 | Ephexeve_laptop | I installed Debian on my laptop awhile ago, but I cannot shutdown. I can shutdown via terminal, sudo halt, but if I click on the normal shutdown button (gnome2) the screen becomes black and nothing happens. Then I have to shutdown manually. No even CTRL + ALT + F2 |
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| 07:30.39 | Ephexeve_laptop | Bushmills: haha |
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| 07:31.02 | sanjoyd | Ephexeve_laptop: do you have hal installed? |
| 07:31.10 | sanjoyd | has not used GNOME in a while. |
| 07:31.12 | Ephexeve_laptop | sanjoyd: let me check |
| 07:31.34 | Bushmills | ctrl-alt-del :) |
| 07:31.38 | PerfDave | llllllll: Read the installation guide |
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| 07:31.43 | Ephexeve_laptop | sanjoyd: Installing hal now, via apt-get |
| 07:31.48 | PerfDave | !tell llllllll about ig |
| 07:32.00 | Ephexeve_laptop | sanjjoy: should it be working now, or do I need to configure anything? |
| 07:32.07 | sanjoyd | Ephexeve_laptop: I really don't know. :) |
| 07:32.19 | Ephexeve_laptop | sanjoyd: haha! |
| 07:32.25 | sanjoyd | Ephexeve_laptop: I know this problem may have something to do with hal. |
| 07:32.38 | sanjoyd | But that is it. I don't use fancy window managers myself. :P |
| 07:32.49 | Ephexeve_laptop | Oh |
| 07:32.55 | Ephexeve_laptop | command line dude? :P |
| 07:33.05 | sanjoyd | StumpWM. \m/ |
| 07:33.15 | sanjoyd | But seriously, has anyone where recently dist-upgraded on testing? And found some GUI apps choppy? |
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| 07:35.07 | xevious | How can I remove a package from apt's cache? |
| 07:35.31 | Bushmills | one? or all? |
| 07:35.35 | xevious | It got completely broken (Highpoint distributes completely f*cked files, apparently) when I tried to install it, and I get errors when I try to purge it. |
| 07:35.48 | sanjoyd | They're stored in /var/cache/apt/archives, I think. |
| 07:35.49 | nze | i'm looking for a dlna/upnp media server, any recommendations? |
| 07:35.49 | nze | i was planning to go with mediatomb, but it seems like it has broken dependencies in sidâ¦(?) |
| 07:35.50 | Bushmills | aptitude clean |
| 07:36.10 | xevious | I just need to remove the files manually and make apt forget about it. When I try to do anything with apt, it tells me I need to reinstall the package to be able to remove it. |
| 07:36.11 | pif | hi, on my debian/sid box every media file (film, flac, etc.) is playing too fast, any idea? |
| 07:36.15 | xevious | sanjoyd: Thanks. I'll check that. |
| 07:36.36 | streuner | pif: tried vlc? |
| 07:36.47 | pif | same |
| 07:36.54 | sanjoyd | pif: do { malloc(100); } while (1) on the side. |
| 07:37.01 | xevious | sanjoyd: I don't need the downloaded .deb... I need to know what file apt uses to keep track of what's installed. |
| 07:37.14 | sanjoyd | xevious: oh, then I don't know. |
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| 07:37.23 | sanjoyd | xevious: have you tried using aptitude? |
| 07:37.27 | Bushmills | pif: mplayer. [ and ] i think slow down/speed up replay |
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| 07:38.01 | xevious | sanjoyd: I removed all the files related to it in /var/lib/dpkg/info, removed all the files listed by dpkg -L, then was able to remove it. |
| 07:38.10 | xevious | sanjoyd: Everything's peachy now. |
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| 07:39.13 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, tried installing hal, no shutdown, still. anyone knows anything about it> |
| 07:39.15 | Ephexeve_laptop | *? |
| 07:39.55 | finetic | streuner: you did |
| 07:40.19 | finetic | streuner: but i had no idea whether i should put those 3 commands in a file called iptables_script or something? |
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| 07:41.06 | streuner | finetic: somebody already told you, use iptables-save and save it into a file |
| 07:41.17 | finetic | the output of iptables-save? |
| 07:41.18 | finetic | ok |
| 07:41.53 | Ephexeve_laptop | Anyone?! |
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| 07:45.21 | finetic | streuner: the output of iptables-save? |
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| 07:46.36 | streuner | finetic: iptables-save >> some-file |
| 07:47.10 | streuner | finetic: iptables-save > some-file |
| 07:47.12 | streuner | sorry |
| 07:47.13 | finetic | ok |
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| 07:47.39 | finetic | whats the right naming for scripts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ? |
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| 07:48.10 | streuner | finetic: now you are using the interfaces pre-up thingie |
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| 07:48.39 | streuner | finetic: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:48.41 | tsccof | Hey everyone, Dennis Ritchie has passed away. I suppose many of us already know that, but I think we could display a token of our gratitude for him! Maybe "RIP Dennis Ritchie" could be added to the channel's topic |
| 07:48.51 | ars3nic | +1 |
| 07:49.07 | tsccof | We probably wouldn't be here without his contribution |
| 07:49.24 | streuner | finetic: just use the pre-up thingie of interfaces and you using the command iptables-save <somefile> |
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| 07:50.21 | streuner | finetic: s/iptables-save/iptables-restore/ |
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| 07:51.27 | streuner | finetic: but anyway, the other way is to just make a script of these 3 commands and just put it into the pre-up folder, what tharkun mentioned, IIRC. |
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| 07:52.19 | IwantXen | hello |
| 07:52.35 | IwantXen | Where can I find deb packages for xen 4.0.2? |
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| 07:53.21 | tsccof | any operators online? |
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| 07:53.35 | ham5 | packages.debian.org? snapshots.debian.org ? |
| 07:53.41 | fly80 | sanjoyd now i get a lots of undefined reference to the Boost Library |
| 07:53.49 | sanjoyd | fly80: -lboost? |
| 07:53.51 | sanjoyd | Or something? |
| 07:53.52 | nevyn | tsccof: there probably are.. why. |
| 07:53.54 | fly80 | ummm |
| 07:53.56 | sanjoyd | fly80: try pkg-config? |
| 07:54.10 | sanjoyd | This is why I hate IDE's. :P |
| 07:54.15 | fly80 | but boost lib has just header files |
| 07:54.19 | IwantXen | ham5: I'm using squeeze I need xen 4.0.2 for squeeze |
| 07:54.20 | sanjoyd | fly80: not all of them. |
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| 07:54.26 | sanjoyd | fly80: some of them do have source files. |
| 07:54.26 | fly80 | ah |
| 07:54.26 | tsccof | nevyn: I think we should display a token of our gratitude for Dennis Ritchie |
| 07:54.37 | sanjoyd | fly80: (and hence libraries to link to). |
| 07:54.38 | fly80 | so i have to include something |
| 07:54.46 | sanjoyd | fly80: probably. |
| 07:54.52 | fly80 | i check it out |
| 07:54.56 | ham5 | IwantXen you want a different version then whats with squeeze then your not using squeeze anymore |
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| 07:56.26 | IwantXen | ham5: xen 4.0.1 that comes with squeeze doesn't work anymore after I upgraded from squeeze debian version 6.0.2 to 6.0.3 |
| 07:56.44 | tsccof | to ignore dennis' passing is just ungrateful |
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| 07:57.15 | ham5 | you upgraded from .2 to .3 huh;\ |
| 07:57.44 | IwantXen | ham5: yes the last squeeze debian release is 6.0.3 |
| 07:57.45 | fly80 | sanjoyd, maybe I should install boost with apt, I just downloaded the src |
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| 07:57.58 | ham5 | I cant help you sorry |
| 07:58.02 | IwantXen | ok |
| 07:58.14 | fly80 | and included the directory unpacked |
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| 08:03.47 | iman | where can I set JAVA_HOME and PATH in debian, is it in .basrc ? |
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| 08:12.15 | karlpinc | iman: Probably ~/.bash_profile but better "man bash" to be sure. I forget the which is which. |
| 08:12.56 | iman | karlpinc, thanks |
| 08:13.50 | Slydder | so. got magento generating pages in less than 2.5 seconds. am happy now. ;) |
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| 09:11.09 | stix | Hi guys. I keep getting: "The following packages have been kept back: libvmime0" When I run apt-get upgrade. Normally I resolve this by running apt-get dist-upgrade, but when I do that, I also get this message. What should I do? I am on 5.0.9 |
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| 09:16.01 | gribouille2 | hi |
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| 09:16.38 | gribouille2 | in lsmod output, what does mean the 1 in the "Used by column"? |
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| 09:23.47 | somiaj | its the number of other modules that depend or are 'using' that module |
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| 09:24.09 | somiaj | or maybe its more than modules |
| 09:25.36 | somiaj | yea its process that are using the module |
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| 09:29.43 | somiaj | stix: apt-cache policy libvmime0 -- might give some light on your issue, put a copy at paste.debian.net if you want some other eyes on it |
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| 09:30.10 | steven43126 | Hi, What is the prefered method of running XEN vm's on debian these days, xen-tools or libvirt ? |
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| 09:31.09 | stix | somiaj: hmm no not really: http://pastebin.com/GbukuEg2 |
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| 09:31.51 | somiaj | stix: dpkg --get-selections | grep libvmime0 (do you have it held for some reason)? |
| 09:32.42 | stix | somiaj: yes it's on hold |
| 09:32.48 | stix | I have no idea why |
| 09:33.09 | somiaj | stix: echo libvmime0 install | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:33.21 | kenifanying | hi all, I have a TOSHIBA MK2576GSX hard disk, it's strange that gnome-disk-utility and smartmontools report this disk has been powered on about 8.9 years. but my laptop just bought about 2 years. any suggestions? sorry for my English. |
| 09:33.24 | somiaj | stix: unhold it, maybe you or someother package put it on hold for some reason you don't recall |
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| 09:34.37 | stix | after "echo libvmime0 install | sudo dpkg --set-selections" an apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove my mailserver "zarafa zarafa-indexer zarafa-webaccess zarafa-webaccess-mobile" |
| 09:34.41 | stix | not so cool |
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| 09:37.40 | somiaj | maybe that is why it was put on hold. seems those aren't offical debian pacakges that probabaly have some very strict depends. |
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| 09:42.07 | MaXim_ | sigh |
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| 09:42.18 | MaXim_ | xfce automount permissions broken *again* |
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| 09:44.10 | somiaj | let me guess you run testing? |
| 09:44.28 | MaXim_ | yes |
| 09:44.35 | somiaj | welcome to testing!! (: |
| 09:44.36 | MaXim_ | but i think it broke when i cahnged from startx to xdm |
| 09:44.42 | MaXim_ | it's not testing's fault |
| 09:45.24 | somiaj | seems strange that xdm would cause that issue. Does it launch the xfce startup scripts differently? |
| 09:46.20 | MaXim_ | yea, i would have thought that it just runs whatever is in .xinitrc |
| 09:46.36 | MaXim_ | hence it should be similar to invoking startx |
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| 09:47.18 | qrq | Are nin free packages also heavily tested? :D |
| 09:47.23 | qrq | non free |
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| 09:49.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | qrq: 'also'? |
| 09:49.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | qrq: they are used much less then other packages |
| 09:49.58 | jelly | I bet flashplugin-nonfree is used very heavily |
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| 09:50.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | touche` |
| 09:51.23 | qrq | So they are not so much tested? :) |
| 09:51.31 | MaXim_ | just bought a sony ereader >_> |
| 09:51.40 | MaXim_ | discovered a nice app to manage it too |
| 09:52.16 | somiaj | MaXim_: mv .xinitrc .xsession |
| 09:52.29 | MaXim_ | my .xsession is symlinked to .xinitrc |
| 09:52.44 | somiaj | MaXim_: or cp .xinitrc .xsession, the defult Xsession script seems to ignore .xinitrc for some reason. |
| 09:53.15 | somiaj | MaXim_: what is the 'session' you selected from xdm, if you set 'xfce' it will use debian defaults, if you select 'default' I think ituses your .xsession |
| 09:53.39 | MaXim_ | you can't select sessions in xdm |
| 09:53.42 | MaXim_ | there is only one :P |
| 09:54.33 | MaXim_ | i think you can specify a parameter in Xsession though |
| 09:54.42 | MaXim_ | but its easier just to edit .xsession.. |
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| 09:55.38 | somiaj | yea I haven't used xdm in years (think I used it for a week once). I like wdm and slim better. But still it should be ussing your .xsession file so not sure why there is a difference with startx and xdm |
| 09:55.57 | MaXim_ | yea |
| 09:56.03 | MaXim_ | i like xdm anyway |
| 09:56.15 | MaXim_ | slim was even worse in regards with policykit and all that garbage |
| 09:56.21 | somiaj | qrq: non-free is more a license issue, just because something doesn't comply to the DFSG doesn't mean it isn't tested. |
| 09:57.20 | MaXim_ | odd |
| 09:57.25 | MaXim_ | suddenly automount works =_= |
| 09:57.31 | qrq | somiaj But if there are issues that cannot be fixed then how it could be added to stable repo? :) |
| 09:57.34 | MaXim_ | no doubt this is policykit gremlins |
| 09:57.43 | dym | Hey, I'd like to repartition my harddrive, but i keep getting errors: http://pastebin.com/sWtcCeq2 |
| 09:57.50 | dym | Any hints on that? |
| 09:58.01 | dym | cfdisk and parted fail |
| 09:58.12 | somiaj | qrq: What issues can't be fixed? |
| 09:58.32 | qrq | somiaj Some performance issues. |
| 09:58.37 | qrq | For example. |
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| 09:59.42 | somiaj | qrq: do you have a paticular example / bug report? Thing is people want non-free software and its better to include it even if it may have a slight preforamce bug as opposed to remove it. |
| 10:00.07 | qrq | somiaj I agree. |
| 10:00.13 | somiaj | though if it had a grave bug or didn't work with stable it wouldn't be there |
| 10:01.21 | jelly | dym: do you want to wipe all the current partitions? |
| 10:01.30 | dym | yespls |
| 10:01.45 | dym | jelly: yespls |
| 10:03.28 | jelly | dym: well then, just make a new label with parted, or start fdisk with a clean table |
| 10:04.33 | dym | jelly: its a 3TB drive - does it have to be GPT for that? |
| 10:05.38 | somiaj | no you can use a standard MBR partition table if you desire |
| 10:06.20 | dym | jelly: somiaj fdisk doesnt seem to provide that option |
| 10:06.51 | jelly | dym: I don't know, if I had to guess I'd say you're probably better off using gpt. |
| 10:09.08 | dym | parted is beeing a bitch :D |
| 10:09.09 | dym | Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. |
| 10:09.22 | dym | whats not to like about (parted) mkpart primary ext2 0 200 ? |
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| 10:11.07 | jelly | start it at the first MiB, not the zeroeth |
| 10:12.04 | jelly | dym: probably easier to di if you use unit MiB |
| 10:12.11 | jelly | to do |
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| 10:15.22 | dym | jelly: i went with msdos |
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| 10:29.34 | sakal | hi! Is it true, that in debian for using Tora with Oracle support I need to rebuild Tora? |
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| 10:35.26 | dym | jelly: msdos doesnt seem to show the entire 3TB :( |
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| 10:39.17 | fesafder | hello all, dhclient does look to execute the hooks at boot time is that expected behevior ? |
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| 10:40.28 | somiaj | fesafder: check your interfaces file, /etc/apt/interfaces. any interface set to auto will be brought up at boot and that can link to dhclient |
| 10:40.36 | somiaj | fesafder: arg /etc/net/interfaces :/ |
| 10:40.59 | somiaj | fesafder: arg /etc/networking/interfaces :/ |
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| 10:42.47 | fesafder | they are on auto syslog shows getting a lease but the hook scripts i have in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ are not executed |
| 10:43.37 | berzerka | hi guys. i am experiencing for the second time now, that aptitude full-upgrade reports a lot of broken deps which need manual fixing, but apt-get dist-upgrade reports no problems at all. could it be that my aptitude cache is somehow messed up (and is there a way to clean it?), or does aptitude take into account different dependency relations than apt-get? |
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| 10:49.35 | t3i | berzerka: there is clean and autoclean for aptitude |
| 10:49.45 | t3i | man aptitude |
| 10:50.43 | berzerka | t3i: yeah but from the docs i understand that he merely cleans up downloaded deb files. the errors sees more like some internal state regarding package deps is broken. |
| 10:50.54 | berzerka | t3i: i will try if this fixes aptitude anyways. |
| 10:51.10 | t3i | really |
| 10:51.23 | dym | Hey - im having trouble partitioning my 3TB Drive. cfdisk shows the correct drivesize, but after creating a boot and swap parition and tryint to allocate the left space to one parition, it doesnt seem to work and max out at 784984.95 - Any hints on what to do? http://goo.gl/EZuvD |
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| 10:52.54 | berzerka | t3i: yup, the errors remain... "Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice." (appears 10 times) and then he complains about packages to be removed/kept at their current version, which apt-get full-upgrade does not. |
| 10:53.10 | berzerka | s/full/dist/ |
| 10:53.29 | t3i | i am out of my league |
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| 10:55.07 | berzerka | nvm, theres a bug report for it.. |
| 10:59.49 | t3i | Slydder: I unstalled debian and my earlier question is automatically solved |
| 10:59.55 | t3i | installed* |
| 11:00.25 | Slydder | glad to hear it. welcome to the real world of servers. ;) |
| 11:01.51 | finetic | streuner: here still? |
| 11:05.19 | niklaswe | is it someone in here som using Stuck (pastebin) ? i wondering who the crontab should be.. because the line in INSTALL-file doesn't work.. |
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| 11:11.01 | slackerr | hi all. im looknig for wine in debian wheezy. but aptitude search cant find it |
| 11:11.40 | ham5 | i doubt you want wine from debians repos its old as dirt, goto winehq.org and read up |
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| 11:13.42 | slackerr | i cant see any wine in repos |
| 11:13.52 | slackerr | dont understand why |
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| 11:16.11 | berzerka | slackerr, according to packages.debian.org, there is no wine package in wheezy |
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| 11:16.56 | berzerka | slackerr: there is wine-unstable in sid, however. |
| 11:17.46 | slackerr | berzerka: should i use sid wine or may look for some unofficial repo for wheezy? |
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| 11:18.09 | berzerka | slackerr: i have no idea, actually. you probably should follow ham5's advice. |
| 11:18.45 | slackerr | ok. thanks guys |
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| 11:20.29 | babilen | slackerr: You might either want the (outdated) packages from sid (wine, wine-unstable) or those (not supported by Debian) from http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
| 11:21.12 | berzerka | babilen: can i see from the deb package versions to which upstream version they correspond? |
| 11:21.21 | babilen | yes |
| 11:21.32 | babilen | ,versions wine-unstable --release sid |
| 11:21.33 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.35-1 |
| 11:21.50 | babilen | ,versions wine --release sid |
| 11:21.50 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- sid: 1.0.1-3.3 |
| 11:21.56 | babilen | berzerka: ^^^^ |
| 11:22.15 | berzerka | i see, but to which upstream version does that correpond? 3.3? |
| 11:22.39 | berzerka | sorry i mean 1.3.3 |
| 11:22.49 | finetic | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 11:22.52 | finetic | iptables -A FORWARD -i tun0 -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 11:22.54 | finetic | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 11:22.56 | finetic | I want those 3 commands to be automatically executed (or better, set in some config) when debian boots up |
| 11:22.59 | finetic | Any idea how I can do this best?> |
| 11:23.16 | berzerka | babilen: or is it really 1.0.1? then they are really outdated :) |
| 11:24.37 | ham5 | finetic look at iptables-save and iptables-restore, setup a script and use sysvinit |
| 11:24.41 | berzerka | finetic: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 11:24.52 | berzerka | finetic: everything is explained there |
| 11:25.31 | berzerka | (they tie it to ifup/down scripts rather than a custom init script) |
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| 11:28.04 | finetic | berzerka: thanks, this doesnt look too hard |
| 11:29.24 | batouzo | hello |
| 11:29.27 | batouzo | security question |
| 11:29.40 | batouzo | can I have kernel files inside LVM encrypted? |
| 11:30.29 | batouzo | e.g. how to put /boot on encrypted. I understand MBR and grub config etc must be unencrypt (because BIOS does not implement aes), but can the kenel image be encrypted? |
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| 11:32.26 | jelly | berzerka: yes, wine packages are really that outdated |
| 11:32.55 | berzerka | jelly: alright thanks. just wasn't sure how to parse the version numbers. |
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| 11:35.16 | berzerka | batouzo: grub2 seems to have native support for lvm partitions. i don't know about encryption, however. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#LVM |
| 11:36.27 | berzerka | batouzo: this article sounds promising: http://xercestech.com/full-system-encryption-for-linux.geek |
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| 11:39.13 | dym | When creating partitions with GPT flags, why cant i view them with sfdisk -l ? |
| 11:39.30 | jelly | dym: sfdisk only does DOS MBR partition table format |
| 11:39.47 | dym | jelly: how can i view gpt? |
| 11:39.53 | jelly | parted, I guess |
| 11:39.58 | dym | also - can i boot of gpt partitions? |
| 11:40.06 | jelly | sure |
| 11:40.09 | dym | okay, cool |
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| 11:41.31 | dym | (parted) set 2 swap on |
| 11:41.32 | dym | parted: invalid token: swap |
| 11:41.35 | dym | deprecated? |
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| 11:54.08 | jelly | if I was feeling particularly perverse I'd just set up a LVM PV over the whole disk and avoid partitions altogether, using only LVs |
| 11:54.39 | jelly | because hey, grub2 is supposed to support lvm isn't it |
| 11:55.17 | DelTree | well... maybe /boot might be a trouble... |
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| 11:55.49 | jelly | hey, grub2 is supposed to support lvm isn't it |
| 11:56.20 | DelTree | maybe it still needs /boot for that... |
| 11:57.03 | ribasushi | grub2 should work directly with lvm |
| 11:57.20 | ribasushi | never bothered to try it though because of the *ridiculously* complex setup system |
| 11:58.16 | ribasushi | normally just slaps a 400M /boot partition, on each drive, raids1 them, and raids the rest in a more complex scheme (normaly raid10) for a pv basis |
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| 12:01.05 | tdrusk | I have two users on one machine(stable). For some reason only one user is getting network manager in their notification area, while the other user is not. Is this known and is there a workaround? |
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| 12:09.53 | nevyn | tdrusk: are their group memberships identical? |
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| 12:10.32 | nevyn | they need to be in netdev? to be able to manage networkmanager connections |
| 12:11.40 | tdrusk | They are both in netdev. I'm not sure how to answer your previous question. |
| 12:11.41 | PerfDave | tdrusk: Do you mean one user on VT7 and one on VT8 or osmething similar? |
| 12:12.02 | jelly | ribasushi: eh, grub2 is ridiculously complex anyway |
| 12:12.53 | tdrusk | I mean I have two users in gnome. I log into A and they get network manager. Log into B and they don't. Log out of both. log into B and they get network manager. Log into A and they don't. I'm sorry, I meant nm-applet |
| 12:13.18 | PerfDave | tdrusk: How are ou getting two users logged in simultaneously/ |
| 12:13.30 | tdrusk | "switch user" |
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| 12:13.55 | tdrusk | I don't think I'm doing anything too complex :) |
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| 12:14.38 | tdrusk | I'm sorry guys. I have to go. I will be back online later today. Thanks for your help thus far. :) |
| 12:15.44 | PerfDave | I think this is a known bug in nm-applet |
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| 12:20.02 | abrotman | tdrusk: i believe there is an option to make the connection available for all users when you edit the connection ? |
| 12:22.28 | pzn | how can I know the "starttime" of a process? I want to compare all "starttimes" with the timestamp of /etc/localtime to know which one has an old timezone information |
| 12:23.23 | PerfDave | pzn: Look at teh create/modify time of /proc/XX/ ? |
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| 12:23.55 | ribasushi | jelly: I have no idea what folks were thinking building such a monstrosity :( |
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| 12:24.25 | ribasushi | jelly: fucking grub1 is installable off a usb stick as long as you can boot into the grub shell ffs |
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| 12:25.36 | pzn | PerfDave, nice! didn't think about that :-) I was looking inside /proc/nnn/something tks it worked! |
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| 12:26.24 | jelly | ribasushi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SecondSystemEffect |
| 12:26.44 | ribasushi | heh |
| 12:26.47 | ribasushi | jelly++ |
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| 12:38.05 | tdrusk | ah guys I found a bug related to nm-applet https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456046 |
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| 13:00.54 | albion | after quite some tweaking i now have one very lightweight and *fast* debian os on my eee pc \m/ |
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| 13:03.05 | orudie | what do brackets mean in output of ps ? |
| 13:04.26 | albion | Will debian be keeping gnome as the default environment? |
| 13:05.25 | Justin | albion: it is pretty much irrelevant what the 'default' is |
| 13:05.33 | Riviera | orudie: "Sometimes the process args will be unavailable; when this happens, ps will instead print the executable name in brackets." |
| 13:05.48 | Justin | albion: if you want a specific desktop environment, you install it. |
| 13:06.43 | nkuttler | does the installer default to installing a desktop nowadays? |
| 13:07.03 | jelly | nkuttler: yes |
| 13:07.12 | nkuttler | interesting.. |
| 13:07.50 | Justin | nkuttler: which installer? |
| 13:07.58 | Riviera | orudie: usually it will be kernel threads, system processes that just don't have arguments set, so ps can't find any. |
| 13:08.18 | Justin | the text based one doesn't, or at least it gives you a chance to uncheck the 'desktop' task if it is checked by default |
| 13:08.41 | nkuttler | yeah, i never install a desktop task. just couldn't remember if it's checked by default |
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| 13:09.16 | albion | Justin, logically your arguement is sound, but that wouldn't leave much room for the gnome vs kde vs xfce etc eternal debate! |
| 13:09.57 | nkuttler | albion: i think you mean the flamewar |
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| 13:11.50 | albion | well some like to flame yeah, i just find it genuinely interesting, the diversity, horses for courses etc :p |
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| 13:26.36 | Puck` | re |
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| 13:30.47 | Xxaxx | can't find package for eAccelerator (php), is there any? (for debian 6) |
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| 13:34.00 | niklaswe | does someone using stuck (pastebin) ? how should the crontab be..? |
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| 13:34.20 | sephii | Xxaxx: no there isn't |
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| 13:38.18 | debiantonio | Xxaxx, http://www.debian-tutorials.com/web/install-and-integrate-eaccelerator-into-php5-on-debian-squeeze |
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| 13:40.15 | sephii | you can also use apc, which has a Debian package |
| 13:40.46 | NodeX | apc is about teh most stable I found |
| 13:41.10 | sephii | you can compile eaccelerator by yourself but you'll have to do it again each time you upgrade php |
| 13:41.14 | daemonkeeper | Also eAccelerator is mostly dead these days |
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| 13:42.10 | Xxaxx | daemonkeeper: is there anything better? |
| 13:42.17 | daemonkeeper | APC. |
| 13:42.59 | NodeX | [14:40:42] <NodeX> apc is about teh most stable I found |
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| 13:43.24 | daemonkeeper | Well, there is XCache too. I haven't used it much though |
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| 13:44.55 | Xxaxx | NodeX, daemonkeeper thanks |
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| 13:45.31 | Tex-Twil | Hello |
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| 13:47.19 | Tex-Twil | I have Debian Lenny and the Postfix is logging to /var/log/mail and to /var/log/syslog. I'm trying to disable the log to /var/log/syslog but I don't know how |
| 13:47.29 | Tex-Twil | here is my rsyslog.conf http://paste.pocoo.org/show/492442/ |
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| 13:51.02 | MoonTiger | hi guys |
| 13:51.31 | MoonTiger | i just ran apt-get upgrade on a new debian squeeze server with 2 drives set up as raid |
| 13:51.40 | MoonTiger | grub is asking me where to put the boot loader? |
| 13:51.44 | MoonTiger | any clues? |
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| 13:53.45 | qwd | MoonTiger: usually mbr |
| 13:54.29 | MoonTiger | qwd, but on which disk? |
| 13:55.10 | qwd | MoonTiger: the same disk that you're installing Debian on |
| 13:55.38 | MoonTiger | ummmmm i have /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/md1 /dev/md2 |
| 13:55.48 | MoonTiger | i have no idea what "disk" it is installing on |
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| 13:57.28 | MoonTiger | ahhhh would it go to the "boot" device? |
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| 13:58.01 | MoonTiger | in fstab i have /dev/md1 /boot ext3 etc |
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| 13:59.01 | MoonTiger | ok well never mind - i took a risk and guessed :) |
| 13:59.03 | MoonTiger | thnx |
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| 14:01.03 | MoonTiger | yay it worked :) |
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| 14:02.58 | Virtualmix | Do I need the package extlinux if I have grub installed? |
| 14:04.37 | Virtualmix | I'm not sure if I understand what this package is used for and why it was installed on my system... |
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| 14:05.24 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.42 | Bushmills | grub doesn't need it |
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| 14:06.47 | Virtualmix | Bushmills: So I should be safe removing it? |
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| 14:07.04 | Bushmills | depends on the reason why it was installed |
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| 14:07.45 | Virtualmix | Bushmills: I didn't install it myself... Is that used for the live CD/DVD? |
| 14:08.10 | Bushmills | why don't you read the result of that command? |
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| 14:09.16 | Virtualmix | Bushmills: Thank you, I didn't know I could do "aptitude why", very useful |
| 14:09.35 | Virtualmix | Bushmills: Unetbootin recommends it |
| 14:09.48 | Virtualmix | Bushmills: Thanks for your help |
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| 14:13.51 | xylon | hi |
| 14:14.05 | xylon | I have a command that work when I type it but not when run from /etc/rc.local |
| 14:14.22 | xylon | my irc bot |
| 14:14.25 | xylon | su pbot_smasher -c "cd /home/pbot_smasher ; ./envbot" & |
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| 14:14.59 | xylon | the other stuff in rc.local gets executed |
| 14:15.47 | xylon | hey maybe it's because of environment variables |
| 14:17.27 | xylon | like $PATH |
| 14:17.49 | Justin | xylon: don't use rc.local for that. you are better off using a per-user cron entry under @reboot |
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| 14:19.32 | xylon | Justin: ah, OK thanks |
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| 14:23.03 | Bushmills | creating an init script is an alternative. skeleton script as base for own script can be found in /etc/init.d |
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| 14:23.41 | orudie | What is meant by Kernel Bypass? |
| 14:23.47 | xylon | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 14:34.55 | Posterdati | hi |
| 14:35.15 | Posterdati | does anyone know the u3 sandisk? |
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| 14:36.35 | Bushmills | ask sandisk, they may have somebody who knows it |
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| 14:38.23 | Bushmills | google may also know it, but it's hard to speak of google as "someone" |
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| 15:35.04 | mersault | I've got my laptop dual-booting Debian and Windows 7, but I'd like to sometimes fire up the Windows 7 partition in a virtualized environment from inside linux. Anyone have any recommendations? |
| 15:35.53 | petemc | i think vmware can do that |
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| 15:36.39 | mersault | I haven't played with VMWare's offerings in a while. Will the basic player do the job, or do I need to screw around with the whole server? |
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| 15:36.54 | mersault | I'm looking for something similar to what Parallels does in the Mac space |
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| 15:37.11 | petemc | i havent used it lately myself |
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| 15:37.34 | mersault | I run a few Xen servers, but that's not really appropriate for what I want right now. |
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| 15:38.08 | goose | if I put a script in /etc/init.d, will it's "start" be run at boot, and "stop" be run at shutdown? |
| 15:38.37 | mersault | Hmm... some light googling suggests that VirtualBox might be able to do what I want. Anyone here have much experience or comments on it? |
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| 15:39.00 | mersault | goose, generally, yes. |
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| 15:39.59 | goose | mersault, even if it's not a daemon, but just a script? I want to make a script which rsync's my xchatlogs dir from/to a remote server at boot/shutdown, respectively |
| 15:41.10 | mersault | goose, well, you're going to have to do more research since I don't know off the top of my head how to make your script run before the network is shut down |
| 15:41.31 | goose | hm, good point |
| 15:41.31 | mersault | but yeah, not everything in /etc/init.d is a daemon. /etc/init.d/network for instance. |
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| 15:42.10 | mersault | it seems like using init to solve your problem might not be the solution you want though. what about a crontask that runs every 10 minutes? |
| 15:42.10 | goose | I was thinking init.d was the only way to run a script at shutdown automagically |
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| 15:42.29 | goose | well, that works, until I shut down before the daemon has sync'ed the logs |
| 15:42.32 | mersault | any particular reason why it has to be at shutdown? |
| 15:42.42 | goose | to make sure that they're updated |
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| 15:42.57 | goose | I'm setting this up on a few computers to keep my logs synced and up-to-date on xchat between all the machines I use |
| 15:43.08 | mersault | true, your logs might be up to 10 minutes out of sync. but that would only until you booted back up and it resynced the remaining logs |
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| 15:43.48 | mersault | heh, even better: have a daemon running on a central server that logs into the chatrooms you frequent and just logs them for you there |
| 15:43.59 | mersault | then skip client side logging |
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| 15:45.05 | mne | Hi. During system bootup, I would like to mount a number of encrypted disks. The key for the first disk should come from the entered passphrase, whereas the keys for the subsequent disks should be stored on the first encrypted disks. How can I realize this ? Just adding everything to /etc/crypttab will obviously not do it as at the time crypttab is read, the first cryptodisk is not mounted yet |
| 15:45.31 | horizon | goose: it won't run unless it's linked to from /etc/rc?.d - where '?' is the runlevel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Runlevels#Debian_Linux) - take a look through those directories to get a better idea. |
| 15:46.01 | horizon | also /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:47.01 | jhutchins_lt | Also we are moving to dependency based booting, which requires lsb headers in init scripts. |
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| 15:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | rc.local can be an appropriate place to call start-up scripts, not sure about shutdown. |
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| 15:47.59 | mersault | jhutchins, is that the "Provides: blah" type stuff I've seen in some init scripts over the years? |
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| 15:49.34 | somiaj | mersault: init scripts? Provides: blah is usually part of a .deb |
| 15:50.06 | cantido | somiaj: its part of init scripts now.. check some stuff in /etc/init.d |
| 15:50.19 | cantido | its used be insserv (IIRC) |
| 15:50.24 | cantido | s/be/by/ |
| 15:50.36 | somiaj | yea I just grepd my init.d, must be a part of the LSB headers |
| 15:50.54 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 15:51.28 | somiaj | mersault: ^^ that explains what it means |
| 15:53.06 | mersault | cool. I don't really have much need to be writing my own init scripts right now, I just remembered seeing it previously. |
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| 15:55.35 | vehicle | Is there any method to display current refresh rate used by monitor? |
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| 15:56.57 | martian | Ubuntu user here having recently decided that gnome3 is not yet for me, and that ubuntu is going a little too bubble-gum for my tastes. I see that debian is still on gnome2, but I'm wondering if there are plans to move to 3 soon. |
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| 15:58.33 | hartzie | martian thats true but with the debian lifecycle it is going to take a while |
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| 15:59.53 | somiaj | martian: soon as in couple of years? Wheezy is planed to have gnome 3, but squeeze will never be gnome 3 |
| 16:00.49 | somiaj | martian: wheezy is about a year out (if not a little more), and squeeze will be supported for up to a year beyond that date. So you can use squeeze and gnome2 with no changes for the next 2-3 years. AT that time debian will stop supporting squeeze (But you can keep using it as the database of pacakges will stay onlie for many many eyars after that) |
| 16:00.53 | tharkun | How do i tell debian to manage my ipod touch 1st gen with 2.11 fw using gtkpod? |
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| 16:02.15 | martian | somiaj: well, that's good to hear. I just think G3 is just too young to be using. I'm not exactly what you would call a 'power user' in that I want my desktop environment to be easy, familiar, and relatively customizable without having to spend tremendous time not getting actual work done in order to do so :) |
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| 16:02.45 | tharkun | somiaj: extrapolating from the previous releases i think you are a bit optimistic give wheezy 2 years at least for it to become the stable release |
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| 16:03.33 | somiaj | martian: yea my hope is by the time wheezy gets around to freezing and being released gnome3 will work out some of its major issues |
| 16:03.34 | martian | somiaj: I would suspect that eventually G3 will be customizable enough, but certain aspects of the UI (mac-style global menu, docks etc) are just not my cup of tea, and there seems to be no aparant way to make things 'normal'. |
| 16:03.47 | cantido | tharkun: by then kde4 might be a bit less buggy ;) |
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| 16:04.19 | tharkun | cantido: sorry kde4 is too big for my current system it strugles with xfce |
| 16:04.26 | mersault | I have to admin, the mac style global menu is the one thing that I really can't wait for. |
| 16:04.40 | mersault | admit, rather. |
| 16:05.00 | somiaj | tharkun: I have heard talk about the freeze starting next summer. But yes I'm epecting about 2 years or so. |
| 16:05.07 | martian | mersault: which is fine, but in ubuntu 11.10, it's there and you have no way to NOT have it if it drives you nuts :) |
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| 16:05.43 | cosmos2 | Hi, |
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| 16:05.57 | vehicle | Is there any method to display current refresh rate used by monitor? |
| 16:06.00 | cosmos2 | Where to fint the fftw channel? |
| 16:06.03 | martian | well, I think it's time to go and start installing myself a new distro. Hello Debian! |
| 16:06.10 | mersault | oh for sure, it's what you're used to. but I've used gnome2, xfce, windows (xp and 7), and mac os x all fairly ambidextrously and find them all usable. but the global menu is Just Correct (TM). |
| 16:06.24 | somiaj | tharkun: though I think gnome3 will be one of the major compents holding things back as they make sure fallback mode works on older computers etc. |
| 16:06.30 | Zharf | vehicle, xrandr maybe |
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| 16:06.39 | somiaj | vehicle: 'xrandr' output it? |
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| 16:06.59 | vehicle | thanks, I'll look into it |
| 16:07.05 | cosmos2 | Is there a fftw channel (fftw.org developpers) |
| 16:07.06 | cosmos2 | ? |
| 16:07.33 | tharkun | somiaj: yes. i heard also that gtk3 will have some major improvementes over |
| 16:07.33 | vehicle | also, does Gnome System->Preferences->Monitors take its options from xorg.conf? |
| 16:07.37 | tharkun | gtk2 |
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| 16:09.34 | somiaj | vehicle: 'xvidtune' is an old method, but most things use xrandr these days. |
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| 16:10.48 | vehicle | Thank you |
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| 16:18.31 | tharkun | if i right click on nautilus computer over the ipod icon i get lots of info for the ipod but the mount point nautilush should have used for it to be accessible. How can i get that info? |
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| 16:23.06 | dreq | #list |
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| 16:33.08 | tharkun | where can i reach this afc://be34134533c3a1fed35f1f7da145ba66b3f46b14/ on a filesystem? |
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| 16:33.36 | lapfrog | do you guys know what i could use to run a virtual machine with windows on it, so i can remote desktop to it, but without actually having X installed on the (debian stable) host? |
| 16:33.39 | JakeyChan | hi ? |
| 16:33.43 | JakeyChan | question :) |
| 16:33.51 | JakeyChan | how can I update locateDB ? |
| 16:33.54 | JakeyChan | :) |
| 16:33.55 | Ty_LL | Just made a dns change, but my server still looks a domain up at the old address. Is there a way to flush this? |
| 16:34.01 | tharkun | JakeyChan: updatedb |
| 16:34.05 | JakeyChan | :D |
| 16:34.12 | JakeyChan | sounds too easy |
| 16:34.20 | lapfrog | it's a trap! |
| 16:34.21 | JakeyChan | but not working |
| 16:34.28 | tharkun | lapfrog: man updatedb |
| 16:34.47 | nitebirdz | JakeyChan: you should be able to run the 'updatedb' command as root, right? |
| 16:34.58 | lapfrog | try sudo echo "rm -rf /" > `which updatedb` |
| 16:34.59 | nitebirdz | is that what you mean? |
| 16:35.03 | nitebirdz | sorry, I'm new here |
| 16:35.08 | tharkun | Ty_LL: you can allways restart your dns if it is properly configured |
| 16:35.25 | JakeyChan | :) |
| 16:35.50 | Ty_LL | tharkun I have no control over the dns server. |
| 16:35.52 | nitebirdz | in what sense it is not working? |
| 16:35.58 | nitebirdz | you should run it as root |
| 16:36.09 | JakeyChan | :D |
| 16:36.14 | JakeyChan | updated! great |
| 16:36.18 | JakeyChan | it works! |
| 16:36.18 | nitebirdz | OK |
| 16:36.20 | Bushmills | Ty_LL: depends on whether the recursive server your machine uses is yours or not |
| 16:36.23 | tharkun | Ty_LL: then how you made the dns change? |
| 16:36.51 | Bushmills | you can use a different one if it's not yours |
| 16:36.51 | Ty_LL | tharkun had the sp change it. |
| 16:36.59 | tharkun | Ty_LL: How long ago did you make the change? |
| 16:37.10 | Ty_LL | tharkun rought 5 mins ago |
| 16:37.29 | Ty_LL | tharkun hope the TTL isn't long. |
| 16:37.29 | tharkun | Ty_LL: just wait until your TTL expires and you will be fine |
| 16:37.36 | Ty_LL | k |
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| 16:37.45 | Ty_LL | just thought maybe I could force something. |
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| 16:38.15 | tharkun | Unless you have control over the DNS server you are a sitting duck |
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| 16:40.53 | doug_f | gents is there a quick way to query a server for all installed packages so you can install all of them on a second server for testing? |
| 16:41.13 | horizon | doug_f: dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:41.15 | doug_f | One other gotcha is that the first server is not completely up to date. |
| 16:41.23 | doug_f | So I need versions. |
| 16:41.59 | somiaj | dpkg -l will list all the packages, but you may have some that are in the 'rc' state (removed but configs stick around) |
| 16:41.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching will list all the packages, but you may have some that are in the 'rc' state (removed but configs stick around) |
| 16:42.21 | somiaj | dpkg: so use dpkg -l, and for the most part you probabaly just want packages in the 'ii' state, that includes version of the package too |
| 16:42.21 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, somiaj |
| 16:42.28 | tharkun | bah somiaj you type way faster than me |
| 16:42.54 | somiaj | doug_f: ^^ |
| 16:43.12 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.19 | somiaj | tharkun: to bad tab complition addresed the wrong 'd<tab>' nick |
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| 16:45.55 | tharkun | [11919.656910] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: Apple Inc. <-| should be mounted? |
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| 16:48.52 | dym | Does anyone have good material regarding forensic search of a compromised Linux machine? |
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| 16:51.13 | JakeyChan | hi ? |
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| 16:51.36 | JakeyChan | I use sendmail to send mail with PHP; this is the config file I followed |
| 16:51.43 | JakeyChan | but failed |
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| 16:52.09 | tdrusk | Just had a beautiful moment. After working on windows computers all week I came home with the plan of setting up a new and faster computer. Before doing my usual debian install i decided to try something tricky. I pulled the hard drive out of the dell latitude and put it in the acer veriton. I thought it was worth a shot. Sure enough the computer booted and EVERYTHING worked. What a relief. |
| 16:53.01 | tharkun | JakeyChan: which mta are you using? |
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| 16:53.11 | JakeyChan | mta? |
| 16:53.18 | JakeyChan | I don't know :( |
| 16:53.20 | tharkun | !mta |
| 16:53.20 | dpkg | A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 16:53.28 | dym | tdrusk: welcome to linux :D |
| 16:53.41 | tharkun | !tell JakeyChan ssmtp |
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| 16:54.07 | tharkun | !tell JakeyChan about ssmtp |
| 16:54.09 | jnix | back |
| 16:54.23 | jnix | whoops wrong channel :) |
| 16:54.38 | tdrusk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.48 | JakeyChan | exim4 |
| 16:54.53 | JakeyChan | I use exim4 |
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| 16:56.22 | JakeyChan | tharkun ? |
| 16:57.09 | nitebirdz | did you configure exim4? |
| 16:57.15 | JakeyChan | oh, no |
| 17:00.11 | JakeyChan | sendmail is also a MAT |
| 17:00.11 | JakeyChan | I enabled it :) |
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| 17:00.11 | nitebirdz | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00286.html |
| 17:00.11 | JakeyChan | I should choose one of them ? |
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| 17:00.11 | nitebirdz | you cannot have more than one MTA working at the same time on the same system |
| 17:00.11 | nitebirdz | there will be a conflict when trying to use the same port |
| 17:00.11 | abrotman | well, you can, but they can't both listen on port 25 |
| 17:00.11 | nitebirdz | yes |
| 17:00.11 | JakeyChan | ok |
| 17:00.11 | JakeyChan | I want to disable the exim4 |
| 17:00.11 | nitebirdz | but notice the output of the following command, JakeyChan: which sendmail | xargs ls -l |
| 17:00.11 | JakeyChan | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Oct 10 11:24 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4 |
| 17:00.12 | nitebirdz | if you run it as root, it will show that the sendmail executable is linked to exim4, at least in my case |
| 17:00.12 | nitebirdz | so, in reality, you are running exim4 |
| 17:00.12 | nitebirdz | but configuring PHP to use /usr/sbin/sendmail should work |
| 17:00.12 | JakeyChan | so the sendmail doesn't running ? |
| 17:00.12 | nitebirdz | afaik |
| 17:00.12 | nitebirdz | exim4 is running, which is just fine |
| 17:00.12 | nitebirdz | it's also an MTA and will send email |
| 17:00.15 | JakeyChan | but they are using same port |
| 17:00.24 | JakeyChan | I should disable one, yes ? |
| 17:00.28 | nitebirdz | notice the output of command above |
| 17:00.30 | nitebirdz | it is only a link |
| 17:00.33 | nitebirdz | a symbolic link |
| 17:00.39 | nitebirdz | sendmail is not truly installed, most likely |
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| 17:01.02 | nitebirdz | dpkg -l | grep -i sendmail |
| 17:01.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -i sendmail |
| 17:01.02 | JakeyChan | oh |
| 17:01.16 | nitebirdz | oh, I didn't know there was a bot for dpkg |
| 17:01.18 | nitebirdz | sorry |
| 17:01.20 | JakeyChan | you mean sendmail linked the exim4, so |
| 17:01.29 | nitebirdz | it's just a file |
| 17:01.29 | JakeyChan | php use exim4 in fact ? |
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| 17:01.33 | nitebirdz | yes |
| 17:01.38 | JakeyChan | strange |
| 17:01.42 | nitebirdz | which should work fine, though |
| 17:01.44 | nitebirdz | afaik |
| 17:01.49 | JakeyChan | the web site can not send mail |
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| 17:02.01 | nitebirdz | chances are it is due to exim4 configuration, though |
| 17:02.03 | JakeyChan | can I get the error log ? |
| 17:02.15 | nitebirdz | can you send email from the server yourself? |
| 17:02.21 | nitebirdz | to the same email addresses? |
| 17:02.30 | abrotman | JakeyChan: can you "echo 'foo' | mail you@somewhere.else.com" ? |
| 17:02.36 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:02.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:02.37 | nitebirdz | use the 'mail' command to send email from the comman dprompt |
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| 17:02.52 | JakeyChan | ok |
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| 17:03.05 | nitebirdz | apologies, abrotman |
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| 17:03.47 | JakeyChan | -bash: echo 'foo' | mail you@xxx.com: command not found |
| 17:03.54 | JakeyChan | not working |
| 17:04.03 | JakeyChan | maybe sendmail xxx@xx.com ?? |
| 17:04.07 | abrotman | no |
| 17:04.12 | abrotman | what does "which mail" return ? |
| 17:04.28 | abrotman | JakeyChan: for that matter .. what does 'uname -r' return ? |
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| 17:05.21 | JakeyChan | IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: â |
| 17:05.22 | JakeyChan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.22 | JakeyChan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.28 | JakeyChan | I trying to reconfigure |
| 17:05.31 | JakeyChan | :) |
| 17:06.11 | abrotman | that is not what ither command returns |
| 17:06.37 | abrotman | either |
| 17:07.24 | JakeyChan | abrotman: you are so coooool! |
| 17:07.28 | JakeyChan | it works ! |
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| 17:08.37 | JakeyChan | BUT web site can not send yet |
| 17:08.38 | JakeyChan | :( |
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| 17:08.53 | tharkun | JakeyChan: ok, so your mta is working ok, now you have to fix your php script |
| 17:09.01 | JakeyChan | yes |
| 17:09.42 | tharkun | hint, /j #php |
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| 17:12.38 | abrotman | JakeyChan: hold on ... |
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| 17:12.43 | JakeyChan | :D |
| 17:12.50 | abrotman | JakeyChan: so the mail from the command line worked? |
| 17:12.51 | JakeyChan | web site works ! |
| 17:12.55 | JakeyChan | yes! |
| 17:12.58 | abrotman | uh okay .. have fun .. |
| 17:13.02 | JakeyChan | command line work fine! |
| 17:13.05 | JakeyChan | :D :D |
| 17:13.47 | JakeyChan | there time is 1:15 but so excited |
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| 17:14.27 | abrotman | ah .. the little things in life |
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| 17:17.03 | JyZyXEL | what might be wrong if "beep" doesn't work but "beep -e /dev/input/by-path/platform-pcspkr-event-spkr" does |
| 17:17.24 | dobalina | anyone know a way to pull back the screen out from a terminal session taht was cut off in the middle of running? ie. i was running an apt-upgrade and then it came up with an ncurses menu for selecting soemthing for a grub config and then I lost internet and obviously since reconnecting the program is still running waiting for input but I can't see or get to it. |
| 17:17.37 | dobalina | is there any way to bring it back to my freshly started terminal session? |
| 17:18.00 | dobalina | or do i just kill the process and re run apt-get upgrade and hope the best? |
| 17:18.43 | PerfDave | dobalina: Is it running in screen? |
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| 17:18.58 | nitebirdz | dobalina: did you try running 'screen -ls'? |
| 17:19.03 | nitebirdz | that should show active screen sessions |
| 17:19.40 | abrotman | nitebirdz: i don't think that's the 'screen' he meant |
| 17:19.50 | nitebirdz | ah, sorry |
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| 17:20.00 | dobalina | No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-root. |
| 17:20.01 | abrotman | judd: info retty --release squeeze |
| 17:20.03 | judd | Package retty (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: attach processes running on other terminals. Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k |
| 17:20.09 | dobalina | that's waht i get |
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| 17:20.53 | nitebirdz | yeah, see comment from abrotman above. You are not using the 'screen' command, which is used to avoid these issues. I didn't know about 'retty'. Cool |
| 17:21.08 | dobalina | I can sere it runing in the ps aux tho |
| 17:21.13 | dobalina | root 7387 0.0 0.0 56636 11668 pts/1 S+ 12:59 0:00 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/i |
| 17:21.13 | dobalina | root 7399 0.0 0.0 13432 1708 pts/1 S+ 12:59 0:00 /bin/bash /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst configure 1.98 |
| 17:21.13 | dobalina | root 7601 0.0 0.0 22864 1948 pts/1 S+ 12:59 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration --title Configuri |
| 17:21.20 | dobalina | ooops sorry i should of used pastebin :( |
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| 17:21.44 | dobalina | but as you can see those were launched right after befor ethe apt-get upgrade finished |
| 17:21.48 | abrotman | i already told you ... |
| 17:21.55 | dobalina | then i got cut off |
| 17:22.06 | nitebirdz | retty |
| 17:22.13 | abrotman | trouble is .. he has to install it .. |
| 17:22.21 | nitebirdz | yep |
| 17:22.27 | abrotman | he'll have to manually extract the deb and place it on the system |
| 17:22.40 | dobalina | it wasn't running in screen by default tho no it was ran straight through a putty term |
| 17:22.46 | dobalina | remotely |
| 17:22.55 | abrotman | or just keep igoring me .. |
| 17:23.09 | dobalina | sorry let me reread |
| 17:23.18 | nitebirdz | dobalina: abrotman is suggesting that you can use retty to solve the problem |
| 17:23.28 | dobalina | retty huh |
| 17:23.31 | abrotman | or try to anyway |
| 17:23.32 | nitebirdz | run 'apt-cache show retty' or search around |
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| 17:23.38 | dobalina | never even heard of that app :) |
| 17:23.41 | dobalina | okay will check |
| 17:23.50 | nitebirdz | problem is you will have to install it and apt is already runnning. so you will need to extract deb or install fromt arball |
| 17:23.52 | abrotman | it may or may not work .. but it only depends on libc6 .. so he just grabs the .deb .. uses ar x foo.deb .. then copy files into place |
| 17:24.06 | nitebirdz | me neither. personally, I always use screen for that sort of things |
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| 17:24.54 | dobalina | root 3717 0.0 0.0 13044 3236 pts/1 Ss+ 12:59 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 11 --configure aptitude libssl0.9. |
| 17:24.57 | dobalina | hmmm |
| 17:25.10 | dobalina | what about rerunning apt-get upgrade that wouldn't do anything would it? |
| 17:25.31 | dobalina | honenstly i would just quicky reboot the system but i'm sketched out do to teh fact that of all bloody prompts it just had to be something related to grub :( |
| 17:25.42 | robysath | why does booting from the firmware netinst still ask for where the firmware files are? |
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| 17:26.02 | dobalina | which didn't even show up in the list of updates it said it would install but apparently it decided to reconfigure it :-/ |
| 17:26.19 | abrotman | robysath: in case you have more? |
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| 17:27.22 | robysath | abrotman: i thought so as well, but it's asking for my iwifi firmware files which are already included in the firmware netinst |
| 17:27.55 | robysath | when i say yes to look for them it just re-asks |
| 17:28.04 | robysath | this is boot from USB, not cd |
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| 17:29.51 | jnix | i'm a hardcore RHEL user... how do i switch to init 5 in debian 6? o.O |
| 17:30.06 | jnix | i'm trying to start X for the first time in 3 months and it's not working as i'd expected ;) |
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| 17:30.24 | Viliny | do the alt+ corresponding F key not work |
| 17:30.32 | Viliny | etc alt+F5 |
| 17:30.34 | jnix | i have my tty's |
| 17:30.40 | jnix | just don't have x |
| 17:30.57 | jnix | ahhh.. /etc/init.d/gdm3 start worked |
| 17:30.57 | Viliny | sorry i couldn't be of more help |
| 17:31.07 | tharkun | jnix: do you have [g,k,x]dm installed? |
| 17:31.17 | tharkun | bah disregard |
| 17:31.20 | jnix | ;) |
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| 17:31.49 | jnix | i've got to build some windows vm's for school, and i need vmware player *grin* |
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| 17:32.41 | Justin | jnix: i doubt you need vmware player |
| 17:32.48 | jhutchins_lt | So amarok in kde4 is crap. Clementine looks nice but doesn't handle my m3u stream playlist properly. What's a good kde4-compatible stream player that doesn't require 90% of Gnome? |
| 17:33.57 | jnix | Justin, it's a requirement |
| 17:34.04 | Justin | jnix: whose requirement ? |
| 17:34.05 | jnix | else i'd continue to use kvm |
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| 17:34.12 | jnix | my school's requirement |
| 17:34.16 | Justin | oh |
| 17:34.34 | Justin | I wouldn't be surprised if they work just fine if you convert the disk images and boot them with kvm |
| 17:34.40 | jnix | my instructor isn't likely to download debian, install it on a virtualization capable machine, configure kvm+bridge networking, and port my kvm images oer |
| 17:34.47 | architek | jhutchins_lt: what's so crap about amarok? I have my whole mp3 collection in it. Last time I check it was partially ok (not looking at cpu usage..) |
| 17:35.02 | jnix | i'm just going to clonezilla them off of the kvm machines onto vmware machines and be done with it |
| 17:35.07 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: have you ever tried mocp it doesn't use Gnome at all |
| 17:35.15 | Justin | jnix: well, there's also virtualbox :) |
| 17:35.23 | jnix | which is still not vmware player |
| 17:35.51 | jnix | as much as i personally would love to use virtualbox it's not an option |
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| 17:39.24 | abrotman | robysath: dunno .. weird |
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| 17:41.20 | robysath | abrotman: that's cool, i'll try again and if it don't work just plug in eth |
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| 17:51.20 | smhar | I have a dual core 3.6 CPU computer with 1GB RAM, I upgraded to 4GB and the performance is still bad :-( |
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| 17:55.13 | flower | define bad, smhar |
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| 17:55.32 | flower | debian pure is slow as naturaly |
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| 17:58.23 | amphi | smhar: performance of what? |
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| 17:58.46 | zatix | debian slow? |
| 17:58.55 | flower | of coz |
| 17:59.00 | amphi | I have a 1.8GHz c2d and things go well (apart from such things as building webkit, or povray ;) |
| 17:59.01 | flower | but need to du |
| 17:59.03 | flower | back in a bit |
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| 17:59.54 | smhar | flower, amphi, general desktop responsiveness is bad |
| 18:00.20 | amphi | not here it isn't - but then I have no desktop, which may explain it |
| 18:00.26 | vehicle | I ran debian lenny stable on my 667mhz 384mb machine without issues |
| 18:00.35 | vehicle | And it wasn't very slow :) |
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| 18:02.04 | abrotman | i ran lenny on a 486 .. only aptitude was slow :) |
| 18:02.10 | smhar | I run debian squeeze in my P200 with 16mb RAM server with no problems ! |
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| 18:02.36 | greycat | I don't think you can install squeeze in 16 MB. |
| 18:02.44 | smhar | but my desktop is sloow |
| 18:02.49 | thewanderer1 | greycat: install no, run yes :P |
| 18:02.49 | abrotman | you can't .. but you can upgrade from sarge |
| 18:02.51 | greycat | It *might* be possible to install with more RAM and then remove some of it. |
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| 18:03.51 | smhar | greycat, it was an old box upgraded and upgraded and now it is running squeeze. I do not remember what version of debian it first had. but it was installed using floppies and netinstall |
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| 18:04.04 | pzn | debian squeeze amd-k6-500Mhz 192MbRAM, asterisk server for 40 phone extensions. peaks of 25%CPU... machine is really quick for what it is doing. |
| 18:04.15 | greycat | might be time to look into replacing the hardware, before it fails on its own |
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| 18:04.46 | vehicle | but but I ran gnome |
| 18:04.57 | pzn | smhar, "desktop slow" may be related to problems in video driver |
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| 18:06.39 | smhar | pzn, I have GeForce G210 with 1GB DDR3 express. and debian seems to be using the nv driver |
| 18:07.43 | totte | I'm using logwatch and exim with users in an MySQL database but despite setting "MailFrom = someone@mydomain.com" it uses "root@mydomain.com". It doesn't even seem to try using the address I set, why is this? |
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| 18:12.55 | dobalina | abrotman: do i extract the retty deb with dpkg? |
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| 18:13.19 | abrotman | dobalina: ar x foo.deb |
| 18:13.26 | dobalina | and then where should I move the extracted dir? is there anything else i would need to do or update? |
| 18:13.33 | abrotman | dobalina: then tar -zxf data.tar.gz .. then put the files in place |
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| 18:14.41 | abrotman | the structure will be there when you extract the tar |
| 18:14.50 | dobalina | oki |
| 18:14.55 | dobalina | i don't have "ar" though |
| 18:15.08 | greycat | install binutils, I believe |
| 18:15.09 | abrotman | you should |
| 18:15.12 | pzn | smhar, sorry... can't help you. use debian on servers and have never configured a video driver. |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | if you don't have binutils .. i'd be shocked |
| 18:15.35 | greycat | it's priority: optional |
| 18:15.49 | dobalina | I have no command called just "ar" |
| 18:16.13 | dobalina | arch arp arpaname arpd |
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| 18:16.21 | dobalina | those are the only "ar" 's i get |
| 18:16.57 | dobalina | and there is apparently no "binutils" command registered either |
| 18:16.58 | dobalina | hmm |
| 18:17.12 | greycat | dobalina: apt-get install binutils |
| 18:17.23 | greycat | it is a package name, not a command name. it contains the ar command among others. |
| 18:17.31 | dobalina | i can't apt-get anythign afaik because dpkg is locked as it's in use |
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| 18:17.41 | dobalina | otherewise i would just apt-get retty ;) |
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| 18:18.12 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:18.13 | abrotman | is ar in busybox ? |
| 18:18.35 | greycat | nope |
| 18:18.35 | dobalina | there's no other way to extract a .deb than wtih ar? |
| 18:18.43 | greycat | dobalina: you could extract it on another computer |
| 18:19.03 | simonlnu | possibly |
| 18:19.04 | simonlnu | sorry, lag |
| 18:19.11 | wfq | what could it cause that my laptop loses the sound anytime I close the lid. IN order to recover it I need to reboot it again |
| 18:19.14 | dobalina | indeed yet another problem tho i dont' have access to another *nix box atm :( |
| 18:19.32 | dondelelcaro | dobalina: why is dpkg locked? |
| 18:20.07 | wfq | the levels of alsamixer seems ok |
| 18:20.12 | wfq | don't understand it |
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| 18:20.31 | dondelelcaro | dobalina: and if you have dpkg, why don't you have dpkg-deb? |
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| 18:21.58 | dobalina | because i was performing an apt-get upgrade earlier today, and it surprised me with a ncurses GRUB reconfig prompt before it finished and i was like ooh god no not a boot loader reconfig (didnt' want to risk the system not rebooting if something went wrong) so i was gonna do a little research then got called away form the pc and decided to leave the remote termninal running at the ncurses prompt |
| 18:21.58 | dobalina | and finish it when i got back but then some idiot started mucking with the router and i got diconnected so i lost the access to that grub ncurses prompt and yet it's still running waiting for input |
| 18:22.01 | dobalina | :( |
| 18:22.24 | dobalina | and i wasn't smart enough at the time to use screen to do it. i just did it straight through a remote putty terminal |
| 18:23.00 | dondelelcaro | dobalina: so use dpkg-deb to unpack retty, and run it |
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| 18:23.14 | dobalina | and now i'm worried if i just kill the process and re run the apt-get upgrade it might mess something up with teh boot loader config |
| 18:23.27 | dobalina | yeah i just realized you can extract deb packages with dpkg |
| 18:23.31 | dobalina | gonna try taht |
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| 18:24.24 | dobalina | okay done |
| 18:24.31 | dobalina | now i just palce the files into usr bin etc. |
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| 18:26.48 | dobalina | okay that's done now i gotta figure out how to use retty :) |
| 18:27.17 | pbase | is gnome 3 available for debian? if not expected date? |
| 18:27.38 | Bushmills | just trickling in. |
| 18:27.50 | rww | pbase: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 18:28.04 | pbase | thanks rww |
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| 18:33.49 | dobalina | any idea with PID i should try and retty ? http://pastebin.com/kyweeNgE |
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| 18:34.18 | dobalina | the grub one? seeings how that was the lats one that i saw and it was asking me for input (to select a drive to configure) |
| 18:36.10 | dobalina | or maybe this one ? root 1524 0.0 0.1 52352 20992 ? S 12:58 0:00 apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:36.35 | architek | Hi everyone. Is someone using fglrx package latest version 11-9 and if yes, which combination with xorg do you use? I get either hangs or segfaults. |
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| 18:37.34 | martian | I just moved over to debian from ubuntu, and I can't seem to understand why I am unable to sudo. I have not manually entered my user into sudoers, but I have added myself to the sudo group and as defined in sudoers anyone in it should be able to sudo. I've even gone as far as restarting and still no luck. Any idea why? |
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| 18:37.51 | greycat | debian does not set up sudoers by default. you have to do that. |
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| 18:38.32 | greycat | if you added yourself to a new group, did you remember to log out and back in? |
| 18:38.53 | martian | greycat: hmm, the sudoers file is there. Is it a matter of enabling it? Yes, logged and even restarted for good measure :) |
| 18:39.24 | greycat | does "id" say you're in the group? |
| 18:39.41 | architek | and expand "unable to sudo" |
| 18:40.17 | martian | I am being told that I am not in the sudoers |
| 18:41.04 | martian | omfg, and I just found the problem. I swear I added myself to 'sudo'. I swear! But I must have been mistaken. Okay, tail between legs crawling away... |
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| 18:41.39 | greycat | using "id" to verify it will help next time you have a similar issue |
| 18:41.59 | dobalina | when i "retty PID" i only get codesize: 138 codeaddr: 3818ab7c cannot write attach_code |
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| 18:43.20 | dobalina | would it break things if i just kill'd the dpkg and grub config stuff that is running launched from the apt-get upgrade and just re-run apt-get upgrade and it would just redo the steps and be fine? or would that likely only make things worse? :-/ |
| 18:43.23 | greycat | I suspect there are very few people who know how to use retty. |
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| 18:44.44 | dobalina | greycat I also suspect so. It seems there are very few available switches though. http://linux.die.net/man/1/retty |
| 18:45.03 | dobalina | I get the impression its' the type of thing that just either "works" or it doesn't |
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| 18:45.28 | greycat | that's possible. I remember reading about it a while back and it had "omg major hack" written all over it. |
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| 18:46.10 | pbase | how to fix the internal mic issue? I have set up the model=thinkpad in /etc/modeprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.. this enables the jacks and works fine except that the internal laptop mic doesn't work now.. how do I fix it? Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1c20] (rev 05) |
| 18:46.22 | greycat | for the other question, I would *hope* that killing dpkg and apt-get and dpkg-reconfigure would cleanly abort everything, but I can't promise it. |
| 18:46.32 | dobalina | so would just killing an dpkg / associated sub processes before it was complete the install/ config and then just reloaching apt-get upgrade really stand to screw thibngs up? |
| 18:46.42 | dobalina | right sorry had already typed that x0 |
| 18:46.55 | dobalina | anyone have any experience killing a dkgp apt-get upgrade midstream before done? |
| 18:47.17 | dobalina | i'm sure it must have happened to someone before... |
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| 18:47.24 | architek | yes, it usually works |
| 18:47.31 | dobalina | running an apt-get upgrade then having power cut out or something |
| 18:47.32 | greycat | It probably happens all the time when someone ssh's and the session dies. |
| 18:47.40 | dobalina | exactly yeah |
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| 18:48.01 | dobalina | the only thing that bothers me abotu this is the fact that it just had to get left on a grub config |
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| 18:48.26 | dobalina | i don't usually like messing wtih boot loaders in particular whent eh box is not physically accessible to me and stowed away in a datacenter x) |
| 18:48.40 | dobalina | i guess i have no choice really though |
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| 18:48.56 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 18:49.24 | dobalina | well here goes nothign then i'll kill the processes and try and launch the upgrade again "fingers crossed" |
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| 18:51.01 | PerfDave | dobalina: This is why we have remote serial and kvm ;) |
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| 18:53.55 | dobalina | PerfDave if only we were all so prepared ;) |
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| 18:54.50 | dobalina | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 18:54.55 | dobalina | okay let's HOPE! x) |
| 18:55.27 | dobalina | ah nice |
| 18:55.31 | dobalina | i'm back to the grub shit :) |
| 18:55.38 | dobalina | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.55 | dobalina | i dont' know why it' sayin this nothign has changed *sigh |
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| 18:56.16 | dobalina | If you're unsure which drive is designated as boot drive by your BIOS, it is often a good idea to install GRUB to all of them. |
| 18:56.25 | dobalina | well seeings as i don't have access to teh bios |
| 18:56.36 | dobalina | i guess I just say "all of them" ? that's not risking anything is it? |
| 18:57.03 | dobalina | or do i just do it for the / listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 18:57.04 | greycat | I got that grub thing on about half of my systems. I don't know why either. |
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| 18:57.40 | dobalina | it's weird nothign grub related was even listed int he pkgs taht were gonna be upgrade but low and behold it's asking me |
| 18:57.41 | dobalina | hmm |
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| 18:58.04 | ompaul | dobalina: what kind of an upgrade is this? |
| 18:58.18 | dobalina | ./dev/sda and ./dev/sda1 are my only options |
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| 18:58.34 | dobalina | ompaul just a routine apt-get update and upgrade to keep things up to date |
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| 18:58.41 | abrotman | never got retty installed ? |
| 18:58.45 | dobalina | the servers been online running fine for several months now already |
| 18:58.49 | ompaul | from? |
| 18:58.54 | dobalina | abrotman i did get it installed |
| 18:59.03 | boudiccas | dobalina; to what? wheezy? squeeze? sid? or what? |
| 18:59.07 | dobalina | squeeze |
| 18:59.18 | abrotman | dobalina: didn't do what you needed ? |
| 18:59.23 | ompaul | dobalina: so you are doing a dist-upgrade from lenny? |
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| 18:59.33 | abrotman | ompaul: *regular* upgrade |
| 18:59.46 | greycat | It's the squeeze 6.0.2 -> 6.0.3 upgrade. |
| 18:59.47 | dobalina | abrotman no it couldn't "get' anything and i tried multiple PID's |
| 18:59.50 | ompaul | ahh |
| 18:59.57 | dobalina | nah it's a squeeze to squeeze |
| 19:00.03 | dobalina | no differences |
| 19:00.24 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 19:00.29 | dobalina | just a regular update it listed mostly apache and ssl stuff but nothign grub related but low and behold now ti's telling me to reconfig grub for some strange reason |
| 19:00.49 | ompaul | dobalina: you got a new kernel did you not? |
| 19:00.50 | greycat | if it's any consolation, none of my boxes failed to come back up after it |
| 19:01.01 | greycat | ompaul: there is an *actual grub package update* involved. |
| 19:01.15 | ompaul | was on the wrong bus |
| 19:01.22 | dobalina | i don't beleive there's a new kernal coming through apt-get upgrade no |
| 19:01.34 | ompaul | waits on a chorus of "we know" |
| 19:01.49 | greycat | I always use "apt-get -u upgrade" so I see what's incoming. |
| 19:02.20 | dobalina | so i'll just specify it for both sda and sda1 i guess? |
| 19:02.30 | dobalina | sda1 is the / though |
| 19:02.40 | dobalina | sda is just the drive itself being listed |
| 19:02.40 | greycat | I don't put grub on partitions. Only on drives. |
| 19:02.49 | dobalina | so just sda |
| 19:03.30 | dobalina | there's only one drive anyways listed so i can't imagine it's not gonan be able to find it |
| 19:03.36 | dobalina | :P |
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| 19:04.12 | mobileT | ist ubuntu nicht besser als debian? |
| 19:04.25 | dobalina | hmmm maybe there was a kernel upgrade aftrerall |
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| 19:04.34 | abrotman | okay then |
| 19:04.34 | dobalina | i wish i had unamed before |
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| 19:04.42 | dobalina | i can't recall which kernal i was runnign before this |
| 19:04.42 | doomster | good evening! |
| 19:04.44 | boudiccas | !de |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:05.35 | dobalina | Found linux image: /boot/bzImage-2.6.38.2-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 19:05.35 | dobalina | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.35 | dobalina | done |
| 19:05.45 | dobalina | what's the "No volume groups found" bit ? |
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| 19:06.00 | madsage | hello |
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| 19:06.06 | doomster | I want to wait for a file to change and then trigger an action. Anyone got some other sh-fu than running make in a loop? |
| 19:06.14 | abrotman | not a squeeze kernel |
| 19:06.20 | greycat | the terminology is used by the Logical Volume Manager stuff... I have not used that kernel. |
| 19:06.23 | abrotman | doomster: inotify |
| 19:06.45 | dobalina | abrotman it's a slightly customized for security version that comes from OVH the hosting provider |
| 19:06.54 | dobalina | afaik |
| 19:07.00 | madsage | how do I make "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" perm. i set it to qwert/us/standard/standard its works fine. but after reboot its back to german keymap. |
| 19:07.52 | thewanderer1 | dobalina: hmm, does that machine even use local boot? looks like a netbooted box to me... |
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| 19:08.14 | dobalina | seems to be getting its updates from http://mirror.ovh.net/debian/ squeeze/main and http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates so I think it should be okay |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | doomster: iwatch, inotify .. apt-cache search inode notify .. something like that |
| 19:08.34 | dobalina | thewanderer1 lol you know you're probably right x) |
| 19:08.35 | dobalina | lol |
| 19:08.42 | greycat | "inotifywait" I think is another key word |
| 19:09.13 | dobalina | they maintaint like hundreds of thousands of servers or something crazy so if they didn't use netboots they'd probably be crazy wouldn't they? x) |
| 19:09.24 | doomster | abrotman, greycat: thanks, that looks like what I need |
| 19:09.26 | dobalina | dedicated servers that is |
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| 19:11.02 | dobalina | is there a log of prior kernel versions somewhere so i can see if it indeed updated the kernel or not? |
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| 19:12.00 | dobalina | or a log that would contain some sort of uname output that i could compare from a yesterday to say today and see if the version numbers have changed |
| 19:12.06 | greycat | since you aren't running a squeeze kernel, wouldn't the answer be "it didn't"? |
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| 19:12.28 | greycat | or at least, it wouldn't be updating the kernel you are using |
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| 19:12.57 | greycat | you could look at /var/log/kernel or /var/log/dmesg also |
| 19:13.07 | architek | dobalina: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
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| 19:13.08 | greycat | sorry, kern.log and dmesg |
| 19:13.26 | dobalina | well there were quite a few kernel vulns reported over the past week or two and maybe it just took them that long to finally update their custom version of hte squeeze kernel and push it out to |
| 19:14.27 | jhutchins_lt | dobalina: Debian is bad about updating the kernels without changing the human-readable version numbers. |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | also, cat /proc/version |
| 19:14.57 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: the uname -r output might not change, but the /proc/version will |
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| 19:15.26 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I think I've seen a new kernel on lenny within the last week or so. Two this month. |
| 19:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | I've got Sept. 9 for squeeze. |
| 19:16.33 | cardamon | Hey, booted to the LXDE livecd for debian 6.0.2 and trying to get networking working for the install. It sees my Gigabit ethernet and something attached to pan0...do you think that's my wireless nic? |
| 19:16.41 | greycat | there are definitely newer squeeze kernels than Sep 9 |
| 19:16.51 | architek | and Oct. 9 |
| 19:16.55 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: PAN is the name for a Bluetooth network |
| 19:17.02 | cardamon | The installer just says pan0 Unknown Interface |
| 19:17.07 | greycat | well, I've got Oct 3 on my desktop box here |
| 19:17.26 | cardamon | Damn. |
| 19:17.30 | architek | ah yes Oct. 3 |
| 19:17.49 | cardamon | Any ideas for getting the wireless working then? |
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| 19:18.11 | dobalina | hmm i'm thinking it's the same kernel actually from what i'm seeing and the dates etc. Likely it was just a grub-pc update although i'm not sure why they'd need that if this is indeed a netbooted machine (or maybe this means it's not). Bah I dunno.! |
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| 19:18.23 | dobalina | i guess i'll find out if it does't reboot next time it goes down x) |
| 19:18.30 | cardamon | ...no iwconfig on the liveCD? |
| 19:18.45 | dobalina | it's been up for 3 months straight tho so here's hoping it keeps rolling x) |
| 19:18.45 | adv_ | anyone on compiz? i have 2 problems. 1. alt+tab won't work anymore 2. i cant click on the 2nd workspace |
| 19:18.57 | cardamon | And no ifconfig |
| 19:19.01 | cardamon | WTF. |
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| 19:19.15 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: ifconfig is not in users' $PATH, only root's |
| 19:19.23 | adv_ | anyone knows the solution? |
| 19:19.59 | thewanderer1 | adv_: your window manager's shortcuts and workspace switching will probably not work anymore, you need to use the Compiz equivalents of them |
| 19:20.02 | cardamon | thewanderer1: Thanks. Okay, don't see a wireless |
| 19:20.16 | adv_ | thewanderer1: how do i set those up? |
| 19:20.38 | thewanderer1 | adv_: I don't know, haven't dealt with Compiz for years, but it should have some settings, plugins etc. for that |
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| 19:21.44 | Bushmills | adv_: for alt+tab does compiz have several options for window switching, which you can assign to that key combination |
| 19:22.21 | adv_ | Bushmills: yes but how do i do it? |
| 19:22.36 | Bushmills | check out shift switcher or ring switcher |
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| 19:23.27 | Bushmills | for example, http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1318620193890212792d.png |
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| 19:25.24 | rypervenche | I am running Debian Stable on an old computer that only had 512M RAM on it. I upped it to 4GB now, and changed the kernel to bigmem, but it's still only letting me use 3G. What would be the cause of this? My motherboard? Is there anyway I can find out? |
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| 19:26.11 | threadlock | rypervenche: and bios says 4GB? |
| 19:26.30 | adv_ | Bushmills: and for the workspace switch? |
| 19:26.52 | Bushmills | i don't use compiz's switch at all |
| 19:26.58 | somiaj | rypervenche: yea check your bios, there is a limit there. Also what is only using 3G of ram. Your total ram can be over 3G with bigmem, but a single process can only use 3G |
| 19:27.20 | cardamon | lspci show 03:06.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3062] I think this is my wireless NIC. |
| 19:27.29 | Bushmills | instead, i rotate cube on mouse button 6 and 7 |
| 19:27.57 | somiaj | cardamon: It doesn't give much info. Try 'lshw' see if you get better info from that about the device. |
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| 19:28.04 | Bushmills | (that's pushing the mouse wheel left and right) |
| 19:28.22 | threadlock | rypervenche: I'm also thinking memtest perhaps? and what about the contents of /proc/meminfo? |
| 19:28.55 | cardamon | somiaj: No command. I'm in a liveCD |
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| 19:29.32 | somiaj | cardamon: you could paste some of that in google see if you can get a better clue what chipset it is. |
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| 19:29.59 | greycat | I think there's a bot here that looks up 1814:3062 |
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| 19:32.36 | cardamon | somiaj: rt2800pci Probably? |
| 19:33.36 | cardamon | Now how does that help me? |
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| 19:34.31 | rypervenche | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19330159/Random/IMG_0863.JPG is what it shows. |
| 19:35.27 | greycat | could've just said the BIOS only sees 3 GB |
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| 19:38.06 | rypervenche | greycat: I wasn't sure exactly if it was because I could only have 3GB or if because I hadn't set something. |
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| 19:38.27 | rypervenche | So I can only use 3GB of it, so I should be using 32-bit systems then? |
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| 19:39.32 | rypervenche | I don't know if RAM is the only deciding factor when it comes to that as well. |
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| 19:44.32 | gribouille | hi |
| 19:44.42 | gribouille | can someone explain to me why the kernel keeps loading the nouveau module, while I blacklisted it? |
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| 19:47.36 | rypervenche | greycat: That means I can only use 3GB then right? |
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| 19:47.49 | greycat | gribouille: /msg dpkg blacklist and /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:48.17 | gribouille | greycat, what do yoiu mean? |
| 19:49.07 | rypervenche | gribouille: Tape ça ici dans le chat, les deux, l'un après l'autre |
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| 19:50.15 | gribouille | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.28 | greycat | rypervenche: if you're certain the last 1 GB is properly inserted, then it seems that way. You might try reseating it just in case it's not physically in right. |
| 19:50.29 | gimpy0138 | gribouille: Without the space in the front. |
| 19:51.00 | greycat | some motherboards may not support more than 3 GB |
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| 19:51.10 | rypervenche | greycat: Ok, so if that is truly the case, I should stick with 32-bit systems then? |
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| 19:53.43 | greycat | dear gods, the word "why" does not appear even once on wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
| 19:53.51 | bouche_y | ++96 |
| 19:54.13 | gribouille | how can I list the contents of an initramfs? |
| 19:56.18 | greycat | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ has a few points (finally found *something* that does) |
| 19:56.40 | dondelelcaro | gribouille: zcat initrd|cpio -t |
| 19:56.52 | dondelelcaro | gribouille: info cpio; for more information |
| 19:57.04 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 19:57.41 | smhar | I have a builtin etheros AR8152 ethernet controller in the mother board. what driver it should use? |
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| 19:58.26 | dondelelcaro | smhar: atl1c, apparently |
| 19:58.31 | dondelelcaro | smhar: google is your friend |
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| 19:59.13 | ScottO_ | hello |
| 19:59.35 | ScottO_ | im using debian for my vps, and i was wondering what the ebst option for backup would be |
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| 19:59.40 | ScottO_ | its a webserver |
| 19:59.55 | greycat | Also worth noting, the bot's <why amd64> factoid is not at all what I expected. |
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| 20:00.59 | th0r | ScottO_: maybe use rsync in a cron job? |
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| 20:02.10 | ScottO_ | th0r: yeah thats that was my observation |
| 20:02.24 | ScottO_ | th0r: was concerned about mysql stuff also |
| 20:03.33 | menhi | are there any tools in debian to create files that are the "union" of a read-only file and a writable file, so that any changes are written to the writable file (which can grow indefinitely) while the read-only file is used as backing for the bits of the file that hasn't been written to? |
| 20:03.41 | menhi | basically like unionfs but for a single file. |
| 20:04.25 | menhi | i want something like it to run multiple virtual machines (qemu) from a single disk read-only image, but present it to the vm as a writable image and store any changes. |
| 20:04.30 | greycat | I've never heard of that being done on a single-file level before. |
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| 20:04.37 | dondelelcaro | menhi: so why not use lvm with cow |
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| 20:04.53 | menhi | dondelelcaro: that sounds interesting, will google. |
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| 20:05.50 | greycat | if the VM image is the only file in the entire file system, then doing it at the file system level (e.g. with LVM as mentioned by dondelelcaro) would achieve the same effect... |
| 20:05.52 | ScottO_ | th0r: i was also looking into rdiff |
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| 20:06.20 | th0r | ScottO_: haven't used rdiff, but use rsync quite a bit and it seems to work dependably |
| 20:06.43 | ScottO_ | th0r: with backing up the mysql data files directly without a dumps? |
| 20:07.48 | th0r | ScottO_: not real familiar with mysql, but I can't imagine there would be a problem backing up the data files. |
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| 20:09.16 | menhi | so do lvm snapshots work on the block level, or with extents, or something else? |
| 20:10.47 | dondelelcaro | menhi: block level, iirc... but the internals aren't really important for its function |
| 20:11.10 | dondelelcaro | ScottO_: see mylvmbackup for an example |
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| 20:11.32 | dondelelcaro | ScottO_: if you want to do backups of mysql with it running, you have to flush tables, and take out a write lock while you do it |
| 20:11.44 | dondelelcaro | (or use lvm snapshots to reduce the time that the write lock is in place) |
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| 20:15.26 | menhi | oh, the lvm-howto section on snapshots even mentions using read-write snapshots for running multiple virtual machines. nice. |
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| 20:16.16 | jhutchins_lt | "dpkg - warning: while removing google-talkplugin, directory `/opt' not empty so not removed." |
| 20:16.24 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I bllody well hope not. |
| 20:16.53 | greycat | that sort of implies it *would* have removed /opt if you'd had nothing else in it... |
| 20:17.16 | amphi | 'bllody'? is that welsh? |
| 20:17.18 | eflynn | How do I keep debian from producing an initramfs image everytime I build a kernel? |
| 20:18.03 | menhi | eflynn: There's an option for the kernel building tool. |
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| 20:18.13 | eflynn | menhi: I just do "make install" |
| 20:18.25 | menhi | oh. |
| 20:18.28 | greycat | *blink* |
| 20:18.55 | greycat | how on earth would debian specific hooks get called if you are not making kernels with debian tools? |
| 20:19.01 | menhi | eflynn: if you use make-kpkg instead it will take care of making things more debian-friendly. |
| 20:19.23 | eflynn | greycat: apparently there are some hooks in /etc/kernel |
| 20:19.36 | menhi | and it has an --initrd option for turning on the initramfs generation. |
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| 20:23.56 | robinetd | When I aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies, it pulls in a ton of packages. When I aptitude remove xfce4 xfce4-goodies, it only removes those two packages. What do? |
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| 20:24.31 | menhi | robinetd: apt-get auto-remove |
| 20:24.34 | menhi | or is it autoremove |
| 20:24.55 | robinetd | menhi: Already tried that, doesn't remove anything. |
| 20:24.59 | menhi | hm |
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| 20:25.20 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:25.33 | iluminator101 | how do i downgrade from gnome 3.0 to gnome 2.3 |
| 20:25.41 | eflynn | robinetd: try "aptitude remove" instead |
| 20:25.51 | eflynn | robinetd: aptitude remove <package> |
| 20:25.54 | robinetd | eflynn:... I did. |
| 20:26.06 | eflynn | robinetd: or just aptitude in general, it has more features |
| 20:26.14 | robinetd | Dude. Read my original question. |
| 20:26.34 | DexterF | in testing: vaainfo returns: vaInitialize failed with error code -1 (unknown libva error),exit after yesterday's upgrade. I'm rather sure it worked before. any chance to get the "old" version back? |
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| 20:26.56 | abrotman | robinetd: that's not how it's supposed tow ork .. |
| 20:27.06 | abrotman | robinetd: did you mess with your apt.conf somehow ? |
| 20:27.11 | thewanderer1 | DexterF: snapshots.debian.org ? |
| 20:27.12 | robinetd | Nope. |
| 20:27.15 | robinetd | abrotman: ^ |
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| 20:27.40 | madsage | scott whats up man |
| 20:27.44 | iluminator101 | gnome 3 is a bowl of crap |
| 20:28.16 | DexterF | thewanderer1: ... |
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| 20:28.19 | greycat | it fits in a bowl? |
| 20:28.27 | madsage | how do I make "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" perm. i set it to qwert/us/standard/standard its works fine. but after reboot its back to german keymap. |
| 20:28.28 | abrotman | robinetd: apt-get autoremove ? |
| 20:28.31 | menhi | robinetd: if you know some of the packages that got installed you can look them up and see if they are marked as automatically installed. |
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| 20:28.43 | robinetd | abrotman: Tried that. Doesn't help. |
| 20:29.04 | menhi | robinetd: if they are not, something went wrong with the installation. last resort would be to look at the installation logs and try to get the package names manually. |
| 20:29.33 | abrotman | thinks iluminator101 is a bowl of silly |
| 20:29.47 | greycat | !start a de war |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | Emacs makes me vomit! |
| 20:29.55 | thewanderer1 | DexterF: oops, snapshot.debian.org... not plural |
| 20:30.02 | robinetd | menhi: xfce4-notifyd has "ii" status. |
| 20:30.08 | abrotman | iluminator101: gnome2.x is going away .. but gnome3 supposedly has a 'legacy' mode |
| 20:30.13 | DexterF | thewanderer1: ah :) |
| 20:30.18 | abrotman | robinetd: dpkg won't tell you the auto status .. you have to use aptitude for that |
| 20:30.39 | menhi | robinetd: aptitude search <package>, there will be an 'A' if it was automatically installed. |
| 20:30.39 | robinetd | Bah. Okay. |
| 20:30.47 | madsage | anybody have any clue whats going on with my debian server? keymap wont stay set. works until i reboot. what the h*ll is going on |
| 20:30.48 | abrotman | robinetd: apt-get autoremove ? |
| 20:30.56 | robinetd | abrotman: Again. Tried that. Doesn't help. |
| 20:31.08 | robinetd | menhi: The A is present. |
| 20:31.10 | abrotman | missed that |
| 20:31.12 | menhi | huh. |
| 20:31.19 | iluminator101 | abrotman, legacy mode is horrendous |
| 20:31.43 | abrotman | iluminator101: guess you're migrating to xfce |
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| 20:32.21 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: our university sets XFCE as default to stop people from jumping out of windows (or worse... into Windows!) when they see GNOME3 :) |
| 20:32.48 | menhi | robinetd: you could see what other installed packages depend on it and move up the chain until you find something that isn't marked 'A', and uninstall that. |
| 20:33.12 | robinetd | blinks. |
| 20:33.19 | cardamon | could use some help getting wireless internet working on the liveCD? |
| 20:33.20 | iluminator101 | i loved gnome 2.3 but since i am on sid it auto upgraded to gnome 3 what a vomit |
| 20:33.28 | cardamon | wait, that's not a question...I |
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| 20:33.39 | abrotman | iluminator101: tough .. you'll have to get over it and use gnome3 or move ot something else |
| 20:33.40 | cardamon | I am just apparently not paying enough attention to what I type. |
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| 20:34.18 | iluminator101 | i am going back to gnome 2.3 i had no problems with it |
| 20:34.29 | ompaul | !downgrades |
| 20:34.29 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 20:34.31 | abrotman | how are you doing that? |
| 20:34.41 | abrotman | iluminator101: there is no more gnome2.x in unstable |
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| 20:35.05 | nubetube | Hey all. |
| 20:35.13 | greycat | it would likely entail a lot of manual "dpkg -i" work |
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| 20:35.23 | abrotman | or a lot of not using unstable :) |
| 20:35.23 | robinetd | I think I'll go ahead and install debian in a vm and see if this is reproducable. |
| 20:35.42 | nubetube | Has anyone successfully installed nautilus elementary in Wheezy? |
| 20:36.21 | nubetube | Anyone? |
| 20:37.11 | abrotman | nubetube: you? |
| 20:37.11 | ompaul | nubetube: pleas see the topic about wheezy and it's ilk |
| 20:37.11 | menhi | robinetd: just to be sure, have you checked that you have a consistent apt state? you don't get warnings about broken installations or something like that when you run aptitude or apt-get? |
| 20:37.27 | abrotman | ompaul: stop doing that |
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| 20:37.39 | ompaul | ok |
| 20:37.59 | madsage | okay i figured it out. /etc/default/keyboard was set to de. didnt need any help anyways. but thansk for no help |
| 20:38.02 | cardamon | I've got no wlan0 interface |
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| 20:38.14 | raven | hi |
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| 20:38.20 | nubetube | Thanks |
| 20:38.23 | raven | how to install blends? |
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| 20:38.29 | robinetd | menhi: Nope. |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | ompaul: stop sending people somewhere else as soon as they say testing/unstable |
| 20:39.15 | ompaul | abrotman: ok |
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| 20:40.14 | abrotman | ompaul: people can ask here .. it's no different than asking about PowerPC or KDE .. there are specialized channels, but we don't send them there because we're lazy |
| 20:40.39 | abrotman | i really wish people would stop doing that |
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| 20:41.10 | BenNZ | hi , having trouble with my logitech webcam , video is fine , except i cannot hear anything through the microphone except static , i have tested this on other distro's and it works , so i know its not a hardware problem , but for some reason it isnt working in wheezy , any ideas? |
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| 20:41.38 | raven | how to install blends? |
| 20:41.41 | scanf | hi, what does this mean Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display "localhost:10.0". |
| 20:41.52 | tharkun | BenNZ: is the microphone connected ? |
| 20:42.02 | BenNZ | tharkun: yes |
| 20:42.03 | greycat | scanf: ... that you aren't on Debian? :-) |
| 20:42.09 | scanf | im launching a webkit browser over X11 forwarding |
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| 20:42.34 | greycat | well, the X server you're running that on apparently doesn't have the extension required for whatever that client is |
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| 20:43.35 | raven | how to install blends? |
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| 20:43.47 | scanf | well it works, its just ultra slow/laggy at rendering |
| 20:43.52 | scanf | but stuff like xclock works fine |
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| 20:44.25 | menhi | isn't randr extension mostly things that need hardware acceleration? |
| 20:44.46 | greycat | I know it's used when changing the resolution or something. |
| 20:45.01 | Devastator | is kmuto images considered official? |
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| 20:45.09 | scanf | both machines can change resolution/monitor configs with xrandr |
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| 20:45.38 | menhi | scanf: probably not for remote displays though. |
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| 20:45.50 | Akuw | hi |
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| 20:46.02 | Akuw | how can i monitor my cpu temperature ? |
| 20:46.40 | gimpy0138 | With your finger on the heatsink? |
| 20:47.09 | menhi | Akuw: there probably are some sort of applets for your desktop. are you running gnome? |
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| 20:47.45 | BenNZ | the really annoying thin is i can get it to work on a vbox guest , just not the host |
| 20:48.31 | abrotman | raven: araen't they package sets ? |
| 20:48.49 | raven | abrotman, yes but how to find them? |
| 20:48.50 | Akuw | o got it, i am using acpi -t |
| 20:48.52 | menhi | BenNZ: you could try installing the kernel version that it works with in the other distros you've tried. |
| 20:48.54 | abrotman | !blends |
| 20:48.58 | abrotman | !blend |
| 20:48.58 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:49.04 | Akuw | the rare thing my laptop shutdown 2 times |
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| 20:49.16 | Akuw | and i saw a message talking about temperature |
| 20:49.48 | BenNZ | menhi: yep the kernels are the same |
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| 21:05.45 | cardamon | I'm trying to get my wireless interface working on the liveCD for an up to date install, but I'm not seeing a wlan0. |
| 21:05.55 | TechDesk | :) |
| 21:06.01 | cardamon | Anyone care to lend their wisdom? |
| 21:06.05 | TechDesk | have you install the firmware for your card ? |
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| 21:06.34 | TechDesk | lspci in terminal |
| 21:06.38 | TechDesk | and paste |
| 21:06.41 | cardamon | TechDesk: no, I have not. |
| 21:06.58 | TechDesk | i dont speak good english but i can help for this problem :) |
| 21:07.00 | cardamon | And I can't paste...due to a lack of internet. So be patient while I type. |
| 21:07.12 | TechDesk | ok, no problem |
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| 21:07.41 | soomsoom | Xscript version 10.0a - by XCITE - get it at: www.xscript.2ya.com |
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| 21:08.03 | tdrusk | I don't mean to butt in, but what was your question cardamon? |
| 21:08.06 | cardamon | 03:06.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3062] |
| 21:08.20 | TechDesk | this is wired i think |
| 21:08.43 | TechDesk | tdrusk he want the firmware i think |
| 21:08.53 | cardamon | tdrusk: Trying to get wireless working for the install. |
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| 21:09.23 | cardamon | I don't have enough cable for a physical link to the router, and will need to setup wireless anyway. |
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| 21:09.39 | tdrusk | cardomon: do you have a flash drive? |
| 21:09.43 | tdrusk | (usb drive) |
| 21:09.48 | cardamon | Yes. that's what I'm booted into |
| 21:09.57 | cardamon | the lxde debian 6.0.2 |
| 21:10.05 | tdrusk | what kind of computer is it? |
| 21:10.16 | raven | how to install blends? |
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| 21:11.19 | cardamon | tdrusk: A virginal mid tower I just built. |
| 21:11.29 | cardamon | peice by peice |
| 21:12.35 | tdrusk | cardamon: is the card a pci card? Do you know the name of it? |
| 21:13.08 | cardamon | PCI. Manufacturer's Tenda, but it looks like an RaLink chipset. |
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| 21:14.16 | cardamon | I've got a disk with it, digging around it I see a Makefile and some source |
| 21:14.22 | TechDesk | http://packages.debian.org/fr/squeeze/firmware-ralink |
| 21:14.44 | tdrusk | nice |
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| 21:15.13 | cardamon | Let's see if that's already on the liveCD |
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| 21:18.26 | ScottO_ | dondelelcaro: thanks this loks sweet |
| 21:19.50 | Dev0n | hey, is it possible to allow a non-root to run a nice of -20 ? |
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| 21:21.03 | cardamon | Is there a way to get a .deb of file on packages.debian.org so I can transfer it via sneaker net? |
| 21:22.49 | dondelelcaro | cardamon: pdo has links to mirrors which you can download packages from |
| 21:22.50 | nitebirdz | think so |
| 21:22.56 | dondelelcaro | ScottO_: np |
| 21:23.05 | nitebirdz | check out this link, cardamon: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/screen |
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| 21:23.31 | nitebirdz | info on package "screen". go to the bottom, and you will see multiple arches. pick one and it will take you to a page that shows mirrors with links to actual deb files |
| 21:23.53 | nitebirdz | is that what you are looking for? |
| 21:24.13 | ScottO_ | dondelelcaro: so mostl likely ill endup with a combination of tools to achevie the backups |
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| 21:28.23 | Dev0n | hum.. /usr/bin/nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied although I have user - nice -20 in limits.conf ? |
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| 21:28.46 | AthomIk | hello |
| 21:29.34 | thewanderer1 | Dev0n: only root (or a user CAP_SYS_NICE) can set nice below 0 |
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| 21:30.13 | Dev0n | thewanderer1, not head of CAP_SYS_NICE, how would I allow my user to set a nice below 0 ? |
| 21:30.17 | Dev0n | heard* |
| 21:30.38 | Guest25570 | hi, anyone a suggestion for a usb wireless dongle supporting 802.11n that works in squeeze ? |
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| 21:32.12 | thewanderer1 | Dev0n: ensure that the process that issues the setpriority() call has CAP_SYS_NICE capability |
| 21:32.14 | th0r | Guest25570: engenius eub9603H? |
| 21:32.22 | popkill | Guest25570: TL-WN722N (atheros) work perfect |
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| 21:32.50 | thewanderer1 | Dev0n: for instance, you could make a wrapper binary in C that nices itself to -N and launches the program that you need by execve() |
| 21:33.08 | Dev0n | oh :( |
| 21:33.14 | thewanderer1 | then give it POSIX file capabilities like this: cap_sys_nice=ep and it should work |
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| 21:33.29 | Guest25570 | popkill: thanks, that looks cool |
| 21:33.41 | Dev0n | I don't know a thing about c |
| 21:33.50 | thewanderer1 | Dev0n: the other solution is using sudo with a pre-defined command which launches the program with the designated nice value |
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| 21:34.04 | Guest25570 | th0r: cant find that one |
| 21:34.28 | Dev0n | so this limit.conf is useless, why are there a ton of articles saying yo ucan set nice on limits.conf and it should work |
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| 21:35.46 | nitebirdz | personally, I've never seen that, Dev0n. However, I've seen the limits.conf being used to set unlimited memorystack values, etc. |
| 21:35.50 | nitebirdz | mainly in very large machines |
| 21:35.56 | Dev0n | ahh |
| 21:36.12 | nitebirdz | core file sizes, amount of open files... |
| 21:36.23 | nitebirdz | run 'ulimit-a' to see different variables that can be controlled that way |
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| 21:36.36 | nitebirdz | as I said, mainly in very large machines that run specific jobs (simulation, etc.) |
| 21:36.39 | Guest25570 | thanks for the suggestion, i will dump my stupid DWL-G122 |
| 21:36.48 | Guest25570 | the rt73usb is giving me too much grief |
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| 21:36.53 | Dev0n | gotcha |
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| 21:37.27 | popkill | Guest25570: engenius eub9603H â http://goo.gl/FV7HR |
| 21:38.10 | architek | I tried several usb wifi dongles and none worked properly |
| 21:38.45 | Dev0n | so for a non-root, nice of 19 is the most favorable ? |
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| 21:39.16 | nitebirdz | that's what the man page says |
| 21:39.20 | valdyn | Dev0n: what are you trying to accomplish with this renicing? |
| 21:39.23 | nitebirdz | ranges from -20 to 19 |
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| 21:39.29 | Guest25570 | the rt73usb is a really evil thing, its transferring at 200kb in my 54g network |
| 21:39.33 | nitebirdz | 19 being *least* favorable |
| 21:39.45 | Dev0n | damn k |
| 21:39.49 | Guest25570 | then i got it working to 2MB/s yesterday |
| 21:39.58 | Dev0n | so it's already running the most favorable for a non-root user |
| 21:39.59 | Guest25570 | today its back to 200Kb and i have no idea why |
| 21:40.01 | Guest25570 | i hate it |
| 21:40.07 | architek | Guest25570: I never got one working properly let alone the bandwidth |
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| 21:40.52 | architek | at best I had this tp link N but at boot it sometimes needed to be unplugged replugged |
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| 21:41.29 | architek | 150Mbps, its even written on the dongle |
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| 21:41.39 | Guest25570 | well, i'll give the TL-WN722N a try, its just 10 |
| 21:41.52 | architek | Ah I have one next to me; that's the one |
| 21:42.06 | architek | Guest25570: apart from this unplug, replug, it works |
| 21:42.13 | Guest25570 | popkill ? |
| 21:42.59 | CannedCorn | hey guys if i add the two sources for nginx to my sources.list how do i then use them to install a current nginx? |
| 21:43.53 | Guest25570 | why is it so hard to find a friggin usb dongle that does proper wireles in linux.... |
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| 21:45.01 | architek | Guest25570: yes, I thought the same. in my case it was for a professionnal project, on an embedded system so the power off/on was solved by hacking the hardware |
| 21:45.06 | dondelelcaro | Guest25570: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-usb-wireless-compatibility-adapter-list.html for example... |
| 21:45.13 | architek | Guest25570: I'm not even sure it works so good in windows |
| 21:45.47 | architek | most of what you can read on the interwebs is wrong about this |
| 21:45.53 | thewanderer1 | Guest25570: for reasons unknown, all wireless crap is patented, protected by who knows what licences and NDAs and generally more secret than the US missile launch codes... |
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| 21:46.05 | architek | or the one working can't be found anymore so I couldn't verify |
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| 21:47.33 | architek | I even posted there by anger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsTP-Link |
| 21:47.42 | architek | ath9k_htc |
| 21:49.01 | architek | funny you see people saying it works while atheros admitted it doesnt. ok enough for the rant |
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| 21:49.55 | Guest25570 | you are the "waste of money" guy ? |
| 21:50.01 | architek | Guest25570: lol yes |
| 21:50.28 | architek | it was under debian stable.. and with kernel from unstable for the dongle |
| 21:51.00 | Guest25570 | i just hate to give up on the G122 as i had it working yesterday... |
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| 21:51.28 | architek | oh yes, mine worked too but 90% of the time.. |
| 21:51.41 | Guest25570 | thats not good enough. |
| 21:51.44 | Amarande | Guest25570, are you sure it's not bad signal causing the rate to drop? |
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| 21:52.27 | Guest25570 | aaaarggghhh now it works |
| 21:52.35 | architek | :) |
| 21:52.43 | Amarande | Guest25570, do you have trouble with any other wifi devices from the location at which you are attempting to use this machine? |
| 21:52.50 | Guest25570 | 2MB transfer after setting "iwconfig wlan0 power off" |
| 21:52.59 | Guest25570 | which i have been submitting about 20 times in the last hour |
| 21:53.15 | Amarande | If you have say an Android phone, try sitting by that machine for a while and see if it has trouble with wifi transmission speed too? |
| 21:53.30 | Guest25570 | Amarande: its a problem with the powersave feature of the usb dongle |
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| 21:53.59 | Guest25570 | it needs to be disabled but somehow that only works occasionally |
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| 21:54.09 | Guest25570 | like just now |
| 21:54.22 | Guest25570 | so, i will never ever reboot that thing |
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| 21:54.41 | Guest25570 | btw: its a NSLU2 running debian squeeze and sharing its usb-hdd via iSCSI |
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| 21:55.04 | Amarande | "I will never ever reboot that thing" ... You realise this means a squirrel will happily and playfully hop into the nearest major mains transformer, don't you? :) |
| 21:55.26 | Guest25570 | really cool setup, the disk is dm-crypted but through iscsi i get low cpu on the NSLU |
| 21:55.37 | Guest25570 | yep, and then i come back here whining :) |
| 21:55.42 | Amarande | That's like saying "This pitcher has pitched 8 innings and 2 outs of a so-far no hitter!" |
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| 21:56.33 | Guest25570 | ah 2MB constant transfer, me be happy ! |
| 21:57.20 | Guest25570 | architekt: maybe it needed a unplug-plug :) |
| 21:57.30 | DarsVaeda | hi, thinking about going from ubuntu to debian...anything I should expect...not a "power" user, just using it for the "everyday" work |
| 21:57.31 | Guest25570 | ok, gotta go, thanks for the help ! |
| 21:57.46 | Guest25570 | DarsVaeda: More choice ? |
| 21:58.00 | Guest25570 | i switched three years ago, never looked back |
| 21:58.08 | DarsVaeda | thats why I am changing ^^ |
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| 21:58.37 | Guest25570 | *buntu is nice for starters, but once you get into the whole linux thing you want debian |
| 21:58.53 | Amarande | I've read a pretty disturbing thing about Ubuntu, actually. Stick with Debian. |
| 21:59.11 | Guest25570 | what hardware do you want it to run on ? |
| 21:59.25 | Amarande | Ubuntu, apparently, during install tries to get you to sign up with certain services which are owned by the Yahoo/MS cartel, so I read in an article on ... techrights I think it is. |
| 22:00.15 | DarsVaeda | I am more concerned about the usability crap they produce, called Unity |
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| 22:01.05 | Guest25570 | i was fed up with the constant update and breakage |
| 22:01.38 | DarsVaeda | but as ubuntu is based on debian I don't have to fear loosing hardware compatibility or such, right? |
| 22:01.48 | Guest25570 | well, the kernel is older |
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| 22:02.28 | Guest25570 | have a go with a live-cd or install in a spare partition |
| 22:02.34 | architek | DarsVaeda: depends on the hardware... |
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| 22:03.02 | architek | DarsVaeda: if ubuntu works then debian will work, just that you might have to tweak a few things |
| 22:03.09 | Guest25570 | i run debian on a fairly recent hp 5320m laptop. everything works. but your mileage will vary |
| 22:03.12 | DarsVaeda | I see |
| 22:03.41 | Guest25570 | what do you want to run it on ? |
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| 22:04.05 | DarsVaeda | IBM Thinkpad x60s and a selfbuild computer |
| 22:04.19 | DarsVaeda | build from parts :D not by my own hands ;) |
| 22:04.35 | Guest25570 | thinkpad with two graphics cards ? |
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| 22:04.46 | DarsVaeda | no old one |
| 22:04.55 | DarsVaeda | some integrated intel thing |
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| 22:08.09 | Guest25570 | intel should work fine, i have intel card in my laptop |
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| 22:08.41 | deman | my intel gpu in my laptop dont work fine in squeeze |
| 22:08.44 | DarsVaeda | I hope so, it runs fine with ubuntu since day one |
| 22:08.59 | Guest25570 | http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas/x60_lenny.html |
| 22:09.02 | Guest25570 | looks easy |
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| 22:10.54 | DarsVaeda | looks promising |
| 22:11.09 | DarsVaeda | I'll definitely give it a shoot |
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| 22:13.03 | themill | deman: the xorg stack in squeeze-backports and a newer kernel can offer a lot to users of intel graphics cards (depending on the exact card) |
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| 22:15.06 | deman | themill, thx. i will take a look on the backports, dont know how to use it yet |
| 22:16.02 | themill | dpkg: tell deman about bpo xorg |
| 22:16.53 | deman | : ) thx again |
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| 22:19.22 | cardamon | Okay, I have the firmware drivers of my wireless install on the liveCD |
| 22:19.35 | cardamon | Now I need to get the interface up and running. |
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| 22:20.22 | Guest25570 | gotta go, cheers |
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| 22:28.13 | cardamon | Can anyone help me set up this interface? I have, what is supposedly, the proper firmware installed, but not the proper interface (wlan0 or something to that affect) up, and no other net access on this box. |
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| 22:32.46 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... i have a debian 6 CD here ... how can i convert it to testing ? |
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| 22:33.26 | daemonkeeper | Forget the CDs and update your sources.list to point to Wheezy |
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| 22:33.54 | Amarande | !tell cobra-the-joker about stable->testing |
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| 22:34.34 | Sw33NY__ | hi all |
| 22:35.20 | cobra-the-joker | ok thanx Amarande |
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| 22:35.32 | Sw33NY__ | i'm running on debian wheezy/sid and when i want to upgrade my system gnome-shell want to install, it's not a problem for me but i want not he uninstall gnome classic, how can i doing ? |
| 22:35.38 | cobra-the-joker | that might make me stick with lenny :D lol |
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| 22:36.54 | daemonkeeper | Lenny is Debian 5? |
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| 22:37.09 | Sw33NY__ | yes daemonkeeper |
| 22:37.32 | daemonkeeper | I know it is. I meant, how Lenny is related to cobra-the-joker's question above. |
| 22:38.12 | cobra-the-joker | daemonkeeper: oops ... meant squeeze |
| 22:38.25 | cobra-the-joker | stable is more related to lenny than squeeze in my brain :D |
| 22:38.43 | daemonkeeper | According to this definition, stable would be potato to me. |
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| 22:38.59 | Sw33NY__ | :) |
| 22:39.01 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 22:39.07 | Amarande | potato, that was what ... 2.2? |
| 22:39.11 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 22:39.15 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: implicit definitions are almost never good ones in IT :P |
| 22:39.36 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: A perfect example why right above :p |
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| 22:42.25 | Sw33NY__ | people can say me how can i install gnome-shell and his dependences but not remove packages like gnome-core ? |
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| 22:43.03 | streuner | please show us your sources.list |
| 22:44.34 | Sw33NY__ | streuner, i paste it |
| 22:45.01 | cardamon | Can anyone help me out? The wifi on the liveCD is not working out of the box and it's the only access I have to the net on this new box I'm working on. I have found the ralink firmware and installed it via sneakernet. I'm at a loss as what to do next. |
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| 22:46.10 | esulu | hello all |
| 22:46.19 | ScottO_ | how can i do a diff between 2 folders? |
| 22:46.21 | Sw33NY__ | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/136579/ uname -a sources.list and full-upgrade |
| 22:46.23 | esulu | i'm iranian boy and want to hel for translation |
| 22:46.33 | esulu | there are any iranian person ? |
| 22:46.37 | ScottO_ | trying to get a list of files between 2 directries |
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| 22:48.54 | Sw33NY__ | ScottO_, you can found what you search on this : http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/05/compare-directories-using-diff-in-linux.html |
| 22:48.59 | esulu | if there are the iranian boy , can contact me please in pvt please |
| 22:49.32 | cobra-the-joker | esulu: iranian == persian ? |
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| 22:49.46 | streuner | yes |
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| 22:49.52 | esulu | yes cobra-the-joker |
| 22:50.08 | streuner | Sw33NY__: there is nothing wrong about your sources.list, i guess thats just testing... |
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| 22:51.02 | Sw33NY__ | streuner : Do you think i can upgrade without remove all this packages ? |
| 22:51.06 | streuner | iceweasel wont start in sid anymore, any ideas? |
| 22:51.24 | streuner | Sw33NY__: well, just try to install them again |
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| 22:51.40 | Sw33NY__ | streuner, already try, two things |
| 22:51.55 | Sw33NY__ | streuner, want to say, after install gnome-shell ? |
| 22:52.36 | streuner | Sw33NY__: it seems to me, that GNOME3 goes into testing/unstable |
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| 22:53.43 | streuner | Sw33NY__: GNOME is big, so it need some time to resolve the mess :-P |
| 22:54.11 | Sw33NY__ | streuner, for sure ! |
| 22:54.57 | Sw33NY__ | streuner, have you try to make launcher for iceweasel with that : iceweasel %u ? |
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| 22:57.24 | streuner | Sw33NY__: no, acutally iam running chromium |
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| 23:04.51 | deman | wow, dont remember who helped me with the backports and xserver. anyway my intel gpu finaly can make use of compiz in Xfce and use true transparency. thx for the help |
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| 23:07.27 | cardamon | Can anyone help me out? The wifi on the liveCD is not working out of the box and it's the only access I have to the net on this new box I'm working on. I have found the ralink firmware and installed it via sneakernet. I'm at a loss as what to do next. |
| 23:07.41 | cardamon | Got no wlan0 interface. |
| 23:07.46 | SoobNauce | How do I fix a broken dpkg? My computer won't stop complaining about lillypad's fonts and it wants me to update, but when I try to update, it says dpkg is broken |
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| 23:08.02 | SoobNauce | I am not convinced dpkg is something that is user-serviceable |
| 23:08.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell SoobNauce -about bat |
| 23:09.34 | themill | SoobNauce: please ask questions about broken ubuntu packages in #ubuntu. |
| 23:09.39 | dym | Hey - im looking for help with a forensic investigation on a compromised linux machine. Could someone message and assist? |
| 23:09.50 | SoobNauce | themill: You think I didn't try before? |
| 23:10.11 | architek | cardamon: then the driver and/or firmware is not working. dmesg might give information |
| 23:10.15 | SoobNauce | dpkg is apparently a debian thing. |
| 23:10.15 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, SoobNauce |
| 23:10.56 | architek | SoobNauce: what debian version do you use? |
| 23:11.12 | themill | SoobNauce: People volunteer here to help debian users. Please respect that. If there are problems with ubuntu packages, #ubuntu should know about them and be able to help. |
| 23:12.15 | cardamon | architek: It says "r8169: eth0: link down" but that's to be expected as nothing's plugged in. |
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| 23:12.59 | cardamon | architek: dmesg | grep wlan0 turns up no results either. |
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| 23:14.27 | cardamon | And I don't see anything useful when checking dmesg | grep pci |
| 23:14.29 | architek | cardamon: not surprising.. you need to look at the whole dmesg or rmmod the driver, insmod it |
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| 23:14.48 | architek | err. or rmmod then insmod driver and then look at dmesg |
| 23:15.38 | cardamon | How do I figure out what to insmod? I only installed the ralink firmware package, which I found in non free and brought over on a usb drive. |
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| 23:18.57 | cardamon | listens to the crickets |
| 23:19.40 | architek | you're lucky, they don't sing here anymore ;) |
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| 23:22.53 | architek | cardamon: I'd just advise to give more info on your setup: which card, which livecd, what you exactly did (install is vague). I probably can't help personnaly, sorry. |
| 23:23.38 | ScottO_ | architek: and youlll have better luck posting to na active forum on the topic |
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| 23:24.23 | cardamon | architek: A Tenda W322PV2.0, but I think it's a RaLink device. I found the firmware driver paackage based on the lspci output |
| 23:24.40 | architek | kernel? |
| 23:25.18 | architek | lspci -n, which id? |
| 23:25.19 | cardamon | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 23:25.57 | cardamon | architek, lspci -nn. lspci -n leaves off names. |
| 23:26.13 | architek | ScottO_: everybody's asleep now or what? |
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| 23:26.40 | cardamon | Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3062] |
| 23:26.42 | architek | there's #linux-wireless too |
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| 23:27.33 | architek | [1814:3062] is 'Unknown device' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3062 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
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| 23:28.34 | cardamon | I tried insmod /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernal/drivers/staging/rt2860/rt2860sta.ko and got "error insterting foo: -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 23:34.47 | architek | lsmod | grep ^rt |
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| 23:35.02 | architek | cardamon: better use modprobe actually |
| 23:35.19 | cardamon | is the syntax on that the same? |
| 23:35.25 | cardamon | modprobe <file> |
| 23:35.57 | architek | cardamon: try what is said on the wiki (link above) |
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