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| 00:02.26 | aristarchus | does iceweasel work with html5? |
| 00:02.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | a bit |
| 00:03.13 | aristarchus | Kamping_Kaiser: pandora no longer works in iceweasel |
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| 00:03.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats that? an html5 site? |
| 00:04.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | aristarchus: http://html5test.com/ will give better/more price answers then me |
| 00:05.20 | aristarchus | Kamping_Kaiser: 145/384 (plus 4 bonus points haha) |
| 00:06.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | aristarchus: fwiw, chromium on stable gets 266. |
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| 00:06.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: iceweasel |
| 00:06.54 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 00:07.08 | architek | 299 for IW in sid |
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| 00:07.14 | architek | mine's bigger! |
| 00:07.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: iceweasel backports |
| 00:07.14 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 00:07.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | that might help, yvmv |
| 00:09.16 | aristarchus | architek: we all know size isn't everything haha |
| 00:09.27 | Amarande | 299 and 9 bonus points (interesting, 8.0 to 9.0 gained nothing.) |
| 00:09.54 | aristarchus | are either of you two with the high marks able to use pandora.com? |
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| 00:11.08 | TomyLobo | how hard is it to install a debian system on a running opensuse system, preferably without shutting it down until the kernel update is due |
| 00:11.11 | architek | us website only.. aristarchus |
| 00:11.36 | architek | due to licensing constraints |
| 00:11.45 | aristarchus | architek: i'm getting sick of these region controls |
| 00:11.56 | aristarchus | architek: makes me miss the old days |
| 00:12.02 | Amarande | Tomy: you'd probably want to install it onto a separate hard drive, which you should probably ideally chroot into to do the installation so debian installer thinks it's the root drive |
| 00:12.35 | architek | Amarande: firefox 6 and 7: 313 ?!? |
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| 00:13.15 | TomyLobo | Amarande did i mention this is a rented box i only have shell access to? :) |
| 00:13.17 | Amarande | architek: something's not right, there |
| 00:13.31 | Amarande | especially since 8.0 and 9.0 were aurora when 6.0 and 7.0 were release |
| 00:13.36 | Amarande | why would html5 support regress? |
| 00:13.49 | Amarande | aurora should have *more* features, if anything, not less |
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| 00:14.17 | Amarande | unable to run pandora on naamah (iceweasel aurora) - I suspect that the Accursed Package is required |
| 00:14.58 | Amarande | aka, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:15.12 | aristarchus | dpkg: accursed |
| 00:15.13 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, aristarchus |
| 00:15.22 | Amarande | in fact, I would suspect it to be more likely that they've increased the version of Flash that is needed, rather than the browser itself |
| 00:15.49 | Amarande | This seems to happen on a fairly regular basis on a lot of sites that use flash - the site starts requiring a newer flash version, despite not adding anything obviously new that actually would justify requiring it |
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| 00:16.27 | Amarande | I'm going to guess that Adobe releases new versions of the Flash CS to by default compile flash code that deliberately makes use of the newest Flash Player version in order to frustrate things like gnash and force people to use their plugin |
| 00:16.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | TomyLobo: you can run debootstrap from suse |
| 00:16.52 | Amarande | even if said new code features are not actually necessary or useful to the flash movie/app itself |
| 00:17.17 | architek | h264 support: no. well, that's not part of html5. and will never be in firefox or iceweasel. crap test |
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| 00:17.22 | TomyLobo | Kamping_Kaiser i'll google that, thanks |
| 00:17.30 | Amarande | architek: that's why it's bonus points instead of actual core points |
| 00:17.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: description deboostrap |
| 00:18.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders if it will work |
| 00:22.57 | aristarchus | Amarande: it sounds like the redid the whole site in html5 recently |
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| 00:25.26 | architek | good that in my country pure software patents are void |
| 00:26.03 | TomyLobo | where is that fabled land? |
| 00:26.14 | dvs | Mars? |
| 00:26.30 | architek | france |
| 00:27.04 | TomyLobo | same thing |
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| 00:27.23 | dvs | Hence the site for debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:27.54 | TomyLobo | http://blog.djshop.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/daft-punk.jpg they come in peace from mars/france |
| 00:28.10 | architek | never thought about that. so american users are not allowed to add this to their sources.list? :] |
| 00:28.44 | dvs | not legally :-> |
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| 00:29.05 | architek | no, that was a joke. they are users, not distributing |
| 00:29.07 | llama-li1ux | hey, I'm using i3 (TilingWM) and want to change the theme for my gtk apps, what should I use? |
| 00:29.15 | llama-li1ux | it's a gnome installtion btw |
| 00:29.23 | llama-li1ux | i3 boots without a DE |
| 00:30.38 | architek | TomyLobo: in which country are you? |
| 00:30.57 | TomyLobo | germany |
| 00:31.06 | dvs | fight! |
| 00:31.10 | TomyLobo | lol |
| 00:31.18 | TomyLobo | we grew out of that |
| 00:31.35 | dvs | heh |
| 00:31.35 | architek | germany still has access to last.fm while france not :/ not that I miss it |
| 00:31.59 | TomyLobo | what's with last.fm in france? |
| 00:32.04 | TomyLobo | what happened? |
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| 00:32.10 | smax | hi |
| 00:32.39 | architek | TomyLobo: well, now you have to pay the majors mafia through a premium account |
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| 00:33.21 | TomyLobo | you know what, i'd love to pay for a premium youtube account, but there is none |
| 00:33.40 | TomyLobo | youtube blocks gema-represented content |
| 00:33.43 | TomyLobo | in germany |
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| 00:34.22 | Riviera | then pay for a youtubedownloadserver or a proxy in another country instead |
| 00:34.32 | TomyLobo | heh |
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| 00:34.34 | smax | xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x800 --pos 184x64 --rotate normal --output CRT1 --mode 1600x1200 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal # Only worked as as sudo. Why I never needed to sudo that, for it was alwasy in startup applications. |
| 00:34.45 | smax | running it as a regular user said , xrandr: cannot find mode 1600x1200 |
| 00:34.46 | TomyLobo | too much effort, really |
| 00:34.47 | architek | time to hit the pillow, bye |
| 00:35.04 | TomyLobo | bye |
| 00:35.07 | TomyLobo | bon nuit |
| 00:35.18 | TomyLobo | bonne* |
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| 00:35.39 | smax | How does stuff that works all of a sudden not work? |
| 00:35.40 | architek | gute nacht ;) |
| 00:35.59 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:36.30 | dvs | bye |
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| 00:36.46 | llama-li1ux | may I be assisted please? I'm so close to having my box look exactly how I want it |
| 00:37.12 | martianlobster | I just put a usb stick in my laptop. What is that called on the file system? I would like to do a cp -rv to copy everything to a directory on my hard drive. |
| 00:37.38 | TomyLobo | llama-li1ux stating your problem would be a good first step |
| 00:37.49 | TomyLobo | oh you did already, nm |
| 00:38.05 | th0r | martianlobster: that should be mounted in /media |
| 00:38.14 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 00:38.18 | llama-li1ux | yep, I want the gtk apps to match my theme : http://forum.linuxmint.com/download/file.php?id=8637 |
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| 00:39.26 | llama-li1ux | that screen cap is out of date already, running tmux and using split windows in irssi. It's tiling inside of tiling inside of tiling. Madness I say! *evil laughter* |
| 00:39.48 | llama-li1ux | so what app should I use? thinking lxtheme |
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| 00:42.20 | llama-li1ux | TomyLobo got any advice? |
| 00:42.28 | TomyLobo | sorry, no |
| 00:42.42 | llama-li1ux | damn, guess I'll just see if lx works then |
| 00:42.59 | TomyLobo | what i mean is i have no clue :) |
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| 00:43.08 | TomyLobo | like none at all |
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| 01:26.42 | RAWRjar | I've got a Debian 6 install from CD that keeps asking to insert the install CD whenever I run "apt-get install." How can I make it stop asking for the CD and hit the online repositories instead? |
| 01:27.26 | dvs | RAWRjar: Comment out the CD rom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:27.34 | RAWRjar | dvs: thanks :) |
| 01:27.39 | dvs | np |
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| 01:34.55 | aristarchus | anybody able to get pianobar to run? |
| 01:35.31 | aristarchus | err, i should say get past the initial handshake phase |
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| 02:08.42 | Some_Person | Is there any way to get an old machine that cannot seem to boot to a flash drive to boot to a flash drive? |
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| 02:09.35 | llama-li1ux | I finally have my theme exactly how I wanted it |
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| 02:10.23 | Some_Person | or am I just forced to buy a disc? |
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| 02:12.03 | llama-li1ux | meh |
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| 02:15.06 | Tramp | Some_Person: sounds more like a question for #hardware |
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| 02:15.47 | Some_Person | Tramp: It's more of a how-can-I-get-around-a-hardware-limitation-with-software question than a hardware question |
| 02:15.54 | Some_Person | I know for ancient machines that can't boot to a CD, there's a program that lets you boot to a floppy that loads the CD |
| 02:16.09 | Some_Person | I was wondering if there's something similar for machines that can't boot to USB |
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| 02:20.35 | Some_Person | Nevermind, I think I found what I need: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 02:39.18 | zykotick9 | This isn't an "issue" (although it's currently occuring on 2 VBox sid VMs) I'm curious to learn what is happening. When running "aptitude safe-upgrade" - after running "aptitude update" - see the following 2 lines: "Resolving dependencies..."; followed by a line of real-time output for: open, closed, defer, conflict. Could anyone point me towards a man page (man aptitude(8) doesn't contain references for closed or defer at all), or other documentatio |
| 02:39.18 | zykotick9 | n that explains A) what this is doing and B) the meaning of various categories? Or is it simple/short to explain? |
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| 03:01.10 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:01.23 | lenswipe | where do i get the source tree for my kernel? |
| 03:02.36 | Amarande | lenswipe: at your favourite kernel.org mirror |
| 03:02.41 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
| 03:02.46 | lenswipe | i mean the debian package |
| 03:02.51 | lenswipe | my nvidia driver requires it |
| 03:02.53 | lenswipe | not sure wh |
| 03:02.55 | lenswipe | why* |
| 03:03.14 | Amarande | I presume that debian also has packaged kernel source, but it's less important for the kernel because there are specific tools to build debian kernel packages that don't need a normal source deb, just the regular kernel tree |
| 03:03.25 | lenswipe | uname -r returns 2.6.39-bpo.2.amd64 |
| 03:03.34 | lenswipe | its kmuto |
| 03:03.42 | lenswipe | do i need to add the lenny backports repo? |
| 03:03.54 | lenswipe | squeeze* |
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| 03:04.28 | Devastator | why not install debian nvidia driver? |
| 03:04.34 | lenswipe | thats what i am doing |
| 03:04.43 | lenswipe | and it requires the debian soure tree |
| 03:04.58 | somiaj | just the -headers version of the kernel your running |
| 03:05.02 | somiaj | -headers package |
| 03:05.09 | lenswipe | ok |
| 03:08.24 | lenswipe | so linux-2.4.2-headers? |
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| 03:11.08 | somiaj | lenswipe: umm, no the headers of the kernel you are running linux-headders-2.6.39-amd64 (from the backport repo) |
| 03:11.19 | somiaj | or what ever its call, apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6 |
| 03:11.20 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 03:13.24 | smax | xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1280x800 --pos 184x64 --rotate normal --output CRT1 --mode 1600x1200 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal # Only worked as as sudo. Why I never needed to sudo that, for it was alwasy in startup applications. |
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| 03:13.42 | smax | running it as a non-root user --> xrandr: cannot find mode 1600x1200 |
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| 03:14.49 | arghx | lenswipe: I strongly suggest you use the nvidia drivers from a debian repo source, not the one from nvidia.com btw |
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| 03:15.26 | lenswipe | im using the ones from nvidia.com cos they work :p |
| 03:15.32 | lenswipe | any reason why i shouldnt? |
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| 03:16.23 | arghx | they appear to work but break your package management. and since all nvidia drivers including the newest ones are available via debian, there is no point not using them |
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| 03:17.18 | pdtpatrick_ | Question -- why is restart deprecated? i ran service networking restart and got the warning .. but the interface went down and up -- albeit if ur ip changed, it would kick you out. |
| 03:17.25 | pdtpatrick_ | what's the best solution to this? |
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| 03:21.23 | pdtpatrick_ | here's the warning |
| 03:21.24 | pdtpatrick_ | #/etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:21.24 | pdtpatrick_ | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 03:21.24 | pdtpatrick_ | Reconfiguring network interfaces...done. |
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| 03:26.24 | llama-li1ux | I finished my desktop, it's sexy: http://forum.linuxmint.com/download/file.php?id=8639 |
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| 03:31.19 | llama-li1ux | no opinions on my desktop? |
| 03:34.54 | arghx | llama-li1ux: this is a support only channel. and it's not for mint. so unless you have a support question/problem, please be quiet |
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| 03:35.23 | arghx | pdtpatrick_: ifdown -a;ifup -a I guess. but personally I think this deprecation is braindead |
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| 03:35.58 | arghx | the reason is probably network-manager. it might turn off all interfaces but not turn back on the ones under the command of network-manager |
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| 03:37.12 | vyadhaka | what is the right syntax for reading raw data of a drive in 512k chunks, dd if=/dev/sdc | hexdump -C |, then is it seek or skip? and what values do they take, can I use 700g on a 750GBHDD |
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| 03:42.24 | arghx | vyadhaka: count=1 bs=512k ? |
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| 03:45.10 | vyadhaka | arghx: there are 183143646 sectors on this drive, how if I want to read from 183140000 with 512k chunks, whats the right switch, seek or skip? |
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| 03:49.08 | arghx | man dd. see how skip applies to input and seek applies to output. now look hard what "if=" is |
| 03:49.26 | vyadhaka | dd if=/dev/sdc bs=4k skip=1831400 count=1 | hexdump -C | |
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| 03:55.59 | Seth_Hikaru | How do I set up getty? I'm having trouble. |
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| 03:57.19 | arghx | !tell Seth_Hikaru about errors |
| 03:57.52 | arghx | man inittab |
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| 04:00.03 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't seem to get getty set up at all. |
| 04:00.14 | Seth_Hikaru | I uncommented one of the lines in inittab |
| 04:01.16 | Seth_Hikaru | Wait. |
| 04:01.21 | Seth_Hikaru | Let me try something. |
| 04:01.21 | arghx | have you restarted init? |
| 04:01.28 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't remember how. |
| 04:01.32 | Seth_Hikaru | I spaced. |
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| 04:03.58 | Seth_Hikaru | arghx: Care to tell me or do I have to google? |
| 04:04.24 | arghx | http://www.google.com/search?q=restart+init |
| 04:04.25 | vyadhaka | ? |
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| 04:04.42 | arghx | first few results tell you: kill -HUP 1 for example |
| 04:05.07 | vyadhaka | to read the first sector - dd if=/dev/sdc count=1 | hexdump -C | less, what's the way to read the last sector |
| 04:05.18 | Amarande | "init q" should reload inittab |
| 04:06.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Thank you. |
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| 04:23.52 | thomedy | i have to install windows as dual boot into my linux machine... and i am running the set up .exe and its saying i need x amount of space |
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| 04:23.58 | thomedy | but i just partitioned of 30 gigs |
| 04:24.08 | thomedy | any ideas |
| 04:25.55 | arghx | thomedy: fdisk -l |
| 04:26.31 | arghx | and I think windows might need more space than 30GB. but I dunno really what windows needs and it's the wrong place for you to ask about windows too |
| 04:28.16 | somiaj | If you don't use windows 7 for much and have another partition to put data on you can get away with 30gig, but its a bit small. I belive windows 7 is around 25gig or so base |
| 04:29.39 | thomedy | its not really a windows question |
| 04:29.42 | thomedy | im doing it in linux |
| 04:29.55 | thomedy | im just installing windows on the other side with linux cli |
| 04:32.05 | thomedy | okay waht is fdisk -l going to do for me i know that it lists the partition taables... but whatlost am i looking for and how do i use it.. im really |
| 04:32.09 | arghx | you are doing what exactly in linux and why haven't you given the information I asked about? |
| 04:32.47 | jordanm | what setup .exe? |
| 04:32.57 | abchirk | thomedy, if you want to part your disc try cfdisk |
| 04:33.22 | llama-toucher | hey, anyone familiar with moc? |
| 04:33.45 | abchirk | no, u? |
| 04:34.36 | llama-toucher | nope, needed a console media player and didn't like mpd b/c it hijacked the volume port so I couldn't listen to youtube vids |
| 04:34.42 | llama-toucher | moc is pretty |
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| 04:36.30 | thomedy | ima google that... i already parted it though |
| 04:36.38 | thomedy | with magicparted |
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| 04:43.03 | nutron | does an app exist that I can publish a blog to blogger via my deb install? |
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| 04:51.36 | Oxy290 | so here is a riddle for ya: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
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| 04:53.18 | arghx | Oxy290: if you don't do a proper problem description, I doubt you ever get any takers |
| 04:54.37 | Oxy290 | Well, I should probably describe a bit huh. I wanna edit /dev/hdd. Although, the command 'cfdisk' returns the fatal error. only 'cfdisk /dev/hdd' does what i need it to do. How come? |
| 04:55.15 | Oxy290 | also, im about to start my first LFS project. any advice? |
| 04:55.33 | arghx | this is #debian. we don't support other distros |
| 04:56.01 | Oxy290 | I plan on using the same sort of packages as debian. kinda like what ubuntu did |
| 04:56.20 | Oxy290 | its all running the same kernel ;D |
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| 04:57.23 | arghx | but it's not debian. have a nice day and come back when you run actual debian. thank you |
| 04:57.35 | Oxy290 | running lenny atm =) |
| 04:57.42 | Oxy290 | using it as the host/build system |
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| 05:01.13 | Oxy290 | arghx: you remind me of the dog in the bizarre cathedral |
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| 05:02.56 | arghx | Oxy290: you remind me of the gazillion of people who come here and want support for their shitty "based on debian" distro |
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| 05:03.49 | Oxy290 | oh no, i wanted support for cfdisk on my debian lenny distro, I have a support channel for lfs |
| 05:04.00 | arghx | as for your initial cfdisk "question": man cfdisk which clearly states: /dev/hda [default] which means it tries that when called without optiions. and it might be you lack /dev/hda for some reason |
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| 05:04.39 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.40 | Oxy290 | i do, my main harddrive is /dev/hdc ...dont remember why i did that? but that does answere my question, thank you arghx |
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| 05:05.06 | rez- | i remember when CrunchBang was my favorite Linux distro... |
| 05:05.17 | Oxy290 | it was more of a general linux question, didn't realize it would cause such a fuss... |
| 05:05.28 | Oxy290 | would it help if i apologized? |
| 05:05.31 | rez- | and then i started trying to use VirtualBox and Wine, and started having trouble with java and other stuff |
| 05:06.10 | Oxy290 | I never liked Wine, mainly because i couldn't get it to work =) too many issues and headaches, Ill just use a win system if i need win programs |
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| 05:06.34 | rez- | yeah i agree |
| 05:06.50 | Oxy290 | And i used #! once. it was okay, but i fell in love with debian my first go =) |
| 05:07.16 | Oxy290 | and ubuntu just seemed like too much like a mac to me... i don't like mac at all |
| 05:07.41 | tensorpudding | you can run gnome-shell in ubuntu now |
| 05:07.49 | tensorpudding | and avoid unity |
| 05:08.05 | tensorpudding | oh, i guess i shouldn't shill for ubuntu in this channel |
| 05:08.11 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all someone with experience with synfig and wacom tablets? |
| 05:08.20 | rez- | debian is great for CLI systems. i've had debian run great on an old gateway P3 system from like 1998 or 1999 with 256 MB RAM |
| 05:08.35 | rez- | but in general, i don't like linux as a desktop OS |
| 05:08.39 | arghx | !tell TheCoffeMaker about anyone |
| 05:09.11 | Oxy290 | oh! another question! package -> 'webcam' i could not get the configuration file to work, and on my debian squeeze system, apt-get could not find 'camserv' |
| 05:09.13 | rez- | it's more convienant to use windows because there are programs i can't run well on Linux, such as Adobe PS, Sony Vegas Pro |
| 05:09.24 | arghx | !tell Oxy290 about errors |
| 05:09.42 | tensorpudding | i use ubuntu on desktop and debian on server |
| 05:10.06 | rez- | funny that mIRC will run FLAWLESSLY in wine, though :D |
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| 05:10.20 | Oxy290 | the error was a bad configuration file, but i followed the instructions and read the man page for the package, would not work in squeeze, have not tried in lenny, although, my server is the sqeeze |
| 05:10.47 | arghx | Oxy290: was the config file a left over from an earlier install? |
| 05:10.49 | rez- | I like irssi for IRC in linux, but in general, i prefer mIRC due to experience and user-friendliness |
| 05:11.18 | streuner | rez-: try X-Chat |
| 05:11.20 | Viliny | yes |
| 05:11.24 | Oxy290 | I'm not interested in continuing to use the package 'webcam' anyways, i plan on using camserv, which apt-get install can not find. I'd figure it would be available in the origanal source.list file sources no? |
| 05:11.24 | Viliny | try try xchat |
| 05:11.27 | rez- | i can screen irssi and leave it run for weeks at a time |
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| 05:11.37 | rez- | Viliny yeah I've used XChat |
| 05:11.39 | Oxy290 | and the package 'webcam' does not install a configuration file! haha! |
| 05:11.54 | arghx | !tell Oxy290 about search |
| 05:11.57 | Viliny | which insidentally is far longer than windows can run without crashing BADISHDUMDUM |
| 05:12.04 | Oxy290 | arghx: tried it... |
| 05:12.14 | TheCoffeMaker | I'm can't draw using my wacom bamboo on synfig, just in that program ... the tablet works flawlessly on Debian (Gimp, Inkscape, MyPaint and Xournal) |
| 05:12.42 | Oxy290 | google finds it on debian.org no problem, expecially for lenny, It seems squeeze does not have the package 'camserv' available? |
| 05:12.59 | arghx | ,versions camserv |
| 05:13.00 | judd | Package: camserv on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.5.1-7 |
| 05:13.08 | arghx | yes. seems to be dead |
| 05:13.10 | rez- | Viliny it's funny that xchat for windows requires registration after a trial period, but not xchat for linux |
| 05:13.21 | rez- | kind of pisses me off, but i'm sure there are reason for it |
| 05:13.26 | Oxy290 | yes, but i need camserv on my sqeeze. lenny is just my toy/experimental system |
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| 05:13.45 | Viliny | rez-: yeah but then again, mirc isn't freeware either :p nagware |
| 05:14.07 | rez- | Viliny I won't say that for me, mIRC is crackware, either =p |
| 05:14.27 | rww | !ot |
| 05:14.27 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 05:14.41 | rez- | nor will I say the same for a program such as zMud. I can say that for both programs, I've liked them enough to register them at some point |
| 05:14.49 | streuner | rez-: there is a version in i-net available |
| 05:14.55 | tensorpudding | hey rww |
| 05:15.17 | streuner | rez-: for X-Chat without any headaches |
| 05:15.35 | Oxy290 | is it favorable to put /boot on a separate partition from the / partition? or does it matter? and would the /boot partition need the boot flag? |
| 05:15.35 | rez- | okay, we'll take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 05:15.38 | rez- | sigh |
| 05:15.55 | rez- | speaking of nagbots. |
| 05:16.06 | rez- | s/nagbots/nagware/ |
| 05:17.06 | arghx | Oxy290: it doesn't matter |
| 05:17.42 | Oxy290 | arghx: thank you |
| 05:18.18 | arghx | Oxy290: tho I have the reasonable suspicions you are asking more LFS questions |
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| 05:19.08 | Oxy290 | arghx: i was installing a debian system on a lifebook earlier... i installed as normal but got curious |
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| 05:19.36 | rez- | i need support. is there a way to plant money trees so that people can write good software without requiring pay, especially software which has trial versions on one OS and not on another? =p |
| 05:20.04 | rez- | i crack me up. the wit i possess when i've had a few too many. |
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| 05:22.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | Wondering is System Maintanence on a Linux necesary[like Defragmenting and Disc Clean up, etc.] and if so how so I do these things? [i know how to clean apt-get and aptitude] |
| 05:23.35 | rez- | file system check (fschk) may be required, for starters |
| 05:23.51 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: define "disc clean up" |
| 05:24.21 | rez- | for example, if you improperly dismount a volume in Linux, or if your system shuts down or restarts suddenly without proper shutdown |
| 05:24.26 | arghx | and defragmentation is not needed as much as in windows but if you fill your harddiask totally and use a lot of sparse files (like torrenting) then it can fragment too |
| 05:24.37 | arghx | however it's harder to defrag, tho programs exist |
| 05:25.41 | rez- | Darkelfjuggalo improper dismounts or system shutdowns may result in files or file systems becoming corrupted |
| 05:25.59 | Darkelfjuggalo | Disk Clean up...much like you do on windows... The system searches the computer for Temp files cookies and such that you don't need and removes them |
| 05:26.15 | rez- | in windows, some similar programs to fschk would be, for example , chkdisk or scandisk |
| 05:26.44 | arghx | much much less since the only place a user is supposed to write stuff is his own home directory. nowhere else. ever. places like /tmp get deleted automatically on bootup |
| 05:26.59 | arghx | and other things where files accumulate like /var/log have logrotate cronjobs |
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| 05:28.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | I only reboot when net is lagging too much...but ingeneral, unless in extreme cases, system updates is all i need? |
| 05:29.16 | arghx | yes |
| 05:29.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok kool thanks. |
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| 06:33.29 | krish|wired-in | hey hi, im trying to run crash on a coredump taken on a xen domU. But it looks like I would need the vmlinux file for the corresponding kernel |
| 06:33.53 | krish|wired-in | I'm running 2.6.26-2-xen-686 on dom0 |
| 06:34.06 | krish|wired-in | where would i find the vmlinux file. which package? |
| 06:34.17 | krish|wired-in | or is there a package like debuginfo for the kernel? |
| 06:34.24 | krish|wired-in | anyone ^? :| |
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| 06:35.51 | RAWRjar | Noob question: I created a user with (I thought) a simple "sudo useradd -m -r -d /home/vmail vmail" command, but the command "id -u vmail" returns 999, which isn't what I suspected. Is 999 a special value? do I have anything to worry about? |
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| 06:37.53 | arghx | RAWRjar: you want adduser normally. |
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| 06:39.06 | RAWRjar | arghx: should I delete the user and re-run the command? |
| 06:39.20 | JakeyChan | hi? I can't ping the debian server, but can connect with ssh, do you know why ? |
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| 06:42.40 | JakeyChan | so strange |
| 06:42.48 | JakeyChan | I bought VPN |
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| 06:43.06 | JakeyChan | want to connect the MYSQL on the client side; but it output error |
| 06:43.06 | RAWRjar | JakeyChan: probably some firewall on the machine that prevents ping but leaves the SSH port open. Probably nothing to worry about. |
| 06:43.17 | JakeyChan | yeah, |
| 06:43.20 | JakeyChan | I think so |
| 06:44.18 | RAWRjar | JakeyChan: I suggest you search for how to "tunnel" over SSH, you can forward the MySQL port to make a connection. |
| 06:44.39 | JakeyChan | well |
| 06:44.43 | JakeyChan | ok |
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| 07:15.58 | cardamon | Abuh? why are there 52 CDs in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/bt-cd/ ? |
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| 07:16.46 | ompaul | cardamon: because these are the actual cds http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 07:16.59 | ompaul | i.e. that is a full debian system you might consider DVDs if you want it all |
| 07:17.05 | ompaul | usually though people |
| 07:17.29 | ompaul | just do ... cd 1 or the netinstall cd and then download from the net each package in turn as they want it |
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| 07:22.03 | tensorpudding | for some reason people like the idea of having all the software available in packages available on CD |
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| 07:25.05 | ompaul | tensorpudding: not all people have sufficent bandwidth to (A) download all cds or (B) a stable enough internet connection, a pal of mind distributed a sets of debian cds when he was over in some part of Kenya and did a weeks teaching on how to use them (he's a professional engineering lecturer) |
| 07:25.22 | ompaul | and now I must fly :) |
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| 07:45.32 | sauvin | Yea, my first debian install came from a DVD included in a Linux magazine. |
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| 07:56.22 | cardamon | Do I need internet for an install, even if it's just from the liveCD? |
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| 07:57.38 | nkuttler | cardamon: hm, i doubt that a live cd includes more than the base packages. but check it's documentation or maybe the install guide |
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| 07:59.02 | cardamon | I can't get my wireless to work and do not have physical access to the ethernet. No wlan0 interface. I tried the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci , grabbing the right firmwarm-ralink from wheezy via sneakernet but when I modprobe rt2800pci it says Module not found. |
| 07:59.04 | p_quarles | cardamon: you can install everything that's on the live CD; meaning that you can install a working desktop environment Debian |
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| 07:59.35 | cardamon | Well, as it stands, the liveCD is not a working desktop for me. |
| 07:59.55 | p_quarles | then it's probably going to be easiest to have ethernet, somehow |
| 08:01.03 | cardamon | p_quarles: If the liveCD can't do it, and I can't do it manually transfering packages, then hooking up to an ethernet is a non-solution, putting off the problem only for as long as my box is connected. |
| 08:01.53 | p_quarles | well, sometimes the installer can find the proper firmware; if it can't, then yeah, it might be a non-solution |
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| 08:02.16 | p_quarles | but obviously the installer can't find anything if it's not hooked up to the repositories |
| 08:02.36 | hstrutz | hi. if I download a bunch of debian .iso's, and mount them - how do I actually add them to apt? my aim is it to make an upgrade to a system without any - yet - internet connection |
| 08:02.49 | cardamon | >_> |
| 08:03.02 | nkuttler | hstrutz: you can loop mount them and use apt-cdrom |
| 08:03.13 | cardamon | whywouldyoudothat.jpg |
| 08:03.20 | hstrutz | nkuttler, apt-cdrom would add the cdrom? |
| 08:04.09 | p_quarles | cardamon: oddly enough, that may be a solution to your problem as well ;) |
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| 08:06.13 | hstrutz | actually, my situation is pretty stupid: i have just found an old debian cd-r, and installed it to a new bought hd, but the internet/wifi connection I have require a www-login to start the internet connection, and cause of that, I need to find other ways of installing stuff - till I got my hands of lynx, or whatever, to login to my LAN/WLAN. |
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| 08:06.40 | cardamon | p_quarles, No burner available...EXCEPT on the box with no ethernet. And only one USB flash drive. Consider it an exercise in resource management. You can only take two things across the river at once. |
| 08:06.50 | cardamon | Or in my case, one thing. |
| 08:08.21 | hstrutz | I do have a cd-r burner, but no empty cd-r to burn to. |
| 08:09.04 | p_quarles | cardamon: you don't need a burner or a flash drive; assuming you have internet on the current installation, you can download the full set of ISOs, put them on a separate partition, and loop mount them after running the initial installation; tedious, yes, but if there are no better options... |
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| 08:10.05 | cardamon | p_quarles: You need to work on your reading comprehension. |
| 08:10.24 | cardamon | I told you, the box in question has no access. At all. |
| 08:10.44 | cardamon | I do not have physical access to the ethernet. It's either wireless or go home. |
| 08:10.55 | cardamon | And the box in question is virginal. |
| 08:11.06 | p_quarles | cardamon: no need to be a dick; you didn't specify whether this was after the installation or before |
| 08:11.07 | cardamon | Nothing on it. At all. Brand new. |
| 08:11.19 | hstrutz | cardamon, but you do have an internet connection NOW? just download them as me, schmuck. |
| 08:11.35 | cardamon | I'm only another machine, obviously. |
| 08:12.30 | cardamon | But my limitations are as stated. I have the capability of downloading files and transfering them via sneaker net. I do not have ability to burn anything to disk. I do not have a method ethernet access. |
| 08:13.37 | hstrutz | you do have an mp3-player? usb-stick? just copy the .iso that way. |
| 08:14.00 | p_quarles | so you obviously have internet access; and as stated you don't need a CD burner, so that's a red herring; I still think what I suggested could work, but I'm about out of patience with people who accuse me of poor reading comprehension when I offer help, so have fun |
| 08:14.09 | cardamon | ...You also did not read. What do you think I'm booted to? |
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| 08:14.51 | cardamon | There is a liveCD which is not loading the correct firmware. My research indicates the drivers are possibly in wheezy, but my attempt to modprobe them in didn't work. |
| 08:15.01 | cardamon | No one, I notice, has addressed that. |
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| 08:15.38 | cardamon | You instead assume I am just being lazy. Which I find laughable considering the level of work I'm putting into this. |
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| 08:16.11 | p_quarles | charming |
| 08:16.12 | hstrutz | my god. |
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| 08:22.13 | wooden | Running Openbox on Squeeze, xterm gets the default icon (white box, blue borders) in the alt-tab window switcher. Is there a .deb that will provide an xterm icon, or can someone tell me where I can put a .png that openbox will pick up? I'm not using any kind of DE. |
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| 08:24.09 | cardamon | is there some linux kernal source in the liveCD? |
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| 08:26.03 | hstrutz | Im downloading the Debian Stable 6.0 .iso now. Im gonna apt-cdrom -d it on a very basic Debian 4.0 system, that doesn't have dselect/aptitude - do I only need to run these commands for the upgrade(?): apt-cdrom -d /iso.dir; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade - (I wont have any internet connection when I do this..) |
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| 08:28.28 | hstrutz | please give me a YES/NO :-) It was a long time ago that I was fooling around with linux... |
| 08:30.41 | p_quarles | hstrutz: no, I think there's a lot more to it than that |
| 08:31.11 | p_quarles | hstrutz: I haven't tried that exact setup, but first off, I think it would be apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:31.39 | p_quarles | second, I don't know if you can skip an entire version that way without risking serious breakage |
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| 08:33.50 | User475 | http://www.massuc.com/ !!! Come and play the best Mafia MMORPG in progress !!! http://www.massuc.com/ |
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| 08:34.59 | hstrutz | p_quarles, me neither, but I'll try it anyhow,. hopefully 4.0 will get swept away, and make place for 6.0. |
| 08:35.26 | p_quarles | hstrutz: well, make sure you've backed up all your user data first :| |
| 08:35.53 | p_quarles | not that you wouldn't, but just seems like a risky operation |
| 08:36.05 | hstrutz | p_quarles, its a new installment, so there's nothing to save! ':-) |
| 08:36.37 | p_quarles | hstrutz: why not a fresh install then? |
| 08:36.53 | hstrutz | p_quarles, I haven't got any fresh cd-rs |
| 08:37.03 | p_quarles | hstrutz: you have a flash drive? |
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| 08:37.46 | hstrutz | p_quarles, I do. But I'll just try thjs before starting with the usb-sticks. |
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| 08:38.14 | hstrutz | thanks for your help, anyhow, I will now reboot and try it out. might be back. |
| 08:38.22 | p_quarles | the USB installation is ridiculously easy, actually; the install ISOs are all built to be put on USB sticks using cat |
| 08:38.25 | p_quarles | but good luck |
| 08:38.52 | hstrutz | thanks! I |
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| 08:55.16 | Viliny | who needs usb install? |
| 08:55.24 | Viliny | pendrivelinux.com has a lot of tools and tutos |
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| 09:05.54 | EyesIsMine | How do I get the memory currently being used |
| 09:06.15 | p_quarles | EyesIsMine: free -m |
| 09:06.38 | babilen | !free memory |
| 09:06.38 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 09:07.11 | EyesIsMine | Good 6GB left |
| 09:08.03 | p_quarles | listen to dpkg, though; free memory is not necessarily "good" |
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| 09:09.02 | Dagger3 | and conveniently, free(1) adds up free+buffers+cache for you in the "-/+ buffers/cache" line, so you don't even have to do the addition yourself |
| 09:09.11 | EyesIsMine | Neither is 138Mb left out of 4GB |
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| 09:10.16 | p_quarles | EyesIsMine: no, that's not necessarily bad, if most of that is cached by the system; it's still available for use, but also being used in the meantime |
| 09:10.42 | EyesIsMine | 4GB (physical + swap) was bering used by one proccess, and I needed the memory to do something |
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| 09:18.54 | boudiccas | i've just burnt 2 dvd's with k3b and verified one, but when theyre reloaded into the machine it refuses to display the dvd. this is on fully upotodate squeeze. does it soiund to you as if the dvd drive is faulty too? |
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| 09:23.59 | dTal | boudiccas: "verifying" is just reading the data back off and comparing checksums, so no the drive works fine. When you say it "refuses to display" it do you mean it doesn't automount it? |
| 09:24.13 | dTal | Can you mount it manually? |
| 09:24.51 | boudiccas | dTal; it refuses to mount it, any dvd that its burnt |
| 09:25.26 | boudiccas | its picky with other dvd's too |
| 09:27.04 | dTal | when you say it "refuses", what error do you get |
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| 09:27.51 | boudiccas | the widget in the system tray shows that its loaded but it is not displayed in konqueror. there is no error message |
| 09:29.02 | dTal | Right, so you just put it in and wait. To reiterate - can you mount it manually? |
| 09:29.28 | boudiccas | i wait and the widget loads it and then nothing else happens. no, i cant |
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| 09:29.57 | dTal | Why can't you? What happens if you try? |
| 09:30.14 | boudiccas | i dont know the command to mout it manually :( |
| 09:30.18 | boudiccas | mount |
| 09:31.05 | dTal | syntax for mounting is mount <device> <mountpoint> |
| 09:31.29 | dTal | so make a directory in /media such as /media/dvd if it doesn't already exist |
| 09:31.56 | dTal | figure out what the device is (probably /dev/sr0) |
| 09:32.08 | dTal | and type mount /dev/sr0 /media/dvd |
| 09:32.17 | dTal | probably want to do all that as root |
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| 09:33.00 | dTal | there's a good chance the problem lies with automounting, and if it still doesn't work at least you'll get some sort of feedback in your terminal |
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| 09:33.39 | dTal | alternatively konqueror is screwy |
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| 09:34.06 | dTal | you might try refreshing konqueror after putting the disk in |
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| 09:35.38 | boudiccas | the dvd drive was given to me by someone who is a heavy smoker, so i reckon that its all gummed up with nicotine and tar from it |
| 09:36.00 | dTal | troubleshoot in software before you jump to hardware failure |
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| 09:37.39 | boudiccas | the dvd is not read in /media/cdrom nor in /media/cdrom0 |
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| 09:38.29 | boudiccas | if its read then konqueror opens a new window, which isnt happening |
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| 09:44.34 | boudiccas | dTal; sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom...........mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only..........mount: /dev/sr0 already mounted or /media/cdrom busy......mount: according to mtab, /dev/sr0 is already mounted on /media/cdrom0 |
| 09:44.55 | dTal | and if you ls /media/cdrom0 ? |
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| 09:46.39 | boudiccas | dTal; it displays the contents, and now konqueror displays it. weird! |
| 09:47.01 | dTal | My second theory was correct :) |
| 09:47.11 | dTal | Konqueror is not refreshing |
| 09:47.45 | boudiccas | odd! |
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| 09:48.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do I checnge the settings for sensors.. the high and lows? I want them more refined.. |
| 09:49.01 | b_52globe | hi |
| 09:49.09 | windparadise | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.11 | b_52globe | anybody have a 3g modem plz |
| 09:50.05 | dTal | b_52globe: just a sec I'll upload one to rapidshare |
| 09:50.18 | Bushmills | b_52globe: dealextreme has several |
| 09:50.38 | dTal | b_52globe: what's your address |
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| 09:51.04 | Sokini_ | windparadise: don't think so, did you search for debian.co.jp? |
| 09:51.15 | windparadise | no |
| 09:51.16 | b_52globe | dTal, Bushmills i need a help configuring a model :) |
| 09:51.40 | Sokini_ | windparadise: then check it out, and try to see if they have a dedicated irc channel |
| 09:51.48 | Bushmills | b_52globe: dealextreme isn't very good with support. they have a forum for their products though |
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| 09:52.01 | dTal | ah, well in that case you'll probably have better luck googling |
| 09:52.31 | dTal | or at the very least, asking for help and mentioning which model you have trouble with |
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| 09:52.40 | dTal | stead of just asking about our hardware :p |
| 09:53.08 | b_52globe | :) |
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| 09:53.11 | b_52globe | i got a Huawei E156 g |
| 09:53.18 | b_52globe | under squuze |
| 09:53.23 | b_52globe | squeeze |
| 09:54.22 | b_52globe | when i'm running wvdial |
| 09:54.25 | b_52globe | i got http://pastie.org/2699742 |
| 09:54.33 | Bushmills | !enter |
| 09:54.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 10:07.29 | boudiccas | dTal; another brand of dvd that i've previously burnt doesnt load at all, and cant be mounted from the cli. but i know that the other drive can read it so i'm going to replace the dvd drive anyway. thanks for your help |
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| 10:21.19 | Arafangion | regrets *buying* Thor. |
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| 10:23.56 | Arafangion | Word of warning: "Thor" will not play in VLC. |
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| 10:24.08 | Arafangion | With, or without menus. |
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| 10:30.55 | Bushmills | careful with new (sid) libmozjs and xulrunner - seems they cause iceweasel to segfault. |
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| 10:57.18 | Marezz | Hi everyone, I need help deciding which graphic card to get for my Debian dekstop, any expert here to help? |
| 10:57.56 | TechDesk | :) |
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| 10:58.36 | TechDesk | what is your budget ? |
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| 10:59.23 | TechDesk | have you a preference between ati and nvidia ? |
| 10:59.26 | Marezz | TechDesk, I have 2 graphic cards available, NX8600GT 256 ddr3 or HD 4650 1gb ddr2 |
| 10:59.37 | Marezz | I need proprietary drivers |
| 11:00.06 | TechDesk | ok, i have asus 4650hd 1go ddr2 on my laptop |
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| 11:00.22 | TechDesk | it's perfect with catalyst |
| 11:00.42 | Marezz | I heard that drivers are crap for ati |
| 11:00.46 | Marezz | is that true? |
| 11:00.49 | TechDesk | no |
| 11:01.41 | TechDesk | i play with this card with wine |
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| 11:01.51 | TechDesk | and performances are good |
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| 11:02.07 | TechDesk | sorry for my bad english |
| 11:02.19 | Marezz | Do you know which one is better and how much better? |
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| 11:03.24 | TechDesk | the chipset ati is more cadenced |
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| 11:05.38 | TechDesk | http://www.msi.com/product/vga/NX8600GT-T2D256EZ-D3.html#?div=Specification |
| 11:05.45 | TechDesk | http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AGP_A_series/AH4650DI1GD2/#specifications |
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| 11:06.39 | TechDesk | http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH4650DI1GD2LP/#specifications |
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| 11:07.56 | jelly-home | Marezz: in general, if you need proprietary drivers, nvidia seems to have less issues |
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| 11:08.21 | TechDesk | ... |
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| 11:08.29 | Marezz | jelly-home, I noticed that ppl are complaining about ati alot, thats why Im asking :) |
| 11:09.00 | TechDesk | anyone has good reason :) |
| 11:09.46 | sauvin | Complaining? Is THAT what they're doing? Dude... sometimes, when they start "complaining", I start looking for fire extinguishers. |
| 11:10.05 | Marezz | lol |
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| 11:10.18 | sauvin | And that's the "family friendly" version. |
| 11:10.27 | MoonTiger | hi guys |
| 11:10.29 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 11:10.33 | Marezz | I dont know what to do... Im a total noob when it comes to graphic cards.. especially when it comes to linux |
| 11:10.44 | MoonTiger | resolv.conf is for outward name resolution yes? |
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| 11:16.08 | kristian-aalborg | hi all |
| 11:16.38 | kristian-aalborg | I have a TV connected to a box... sometimes, when I start up, the image is borken |
| 11:17.11 | kristian-aalborg | it's not in center or there's a weird cyan line along the left side |
| 11:18.05 | MoonTiger | should hostname == domain name ? |
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| 11:25.44 | boudiccas | dTal; i've just replaced the dvd drive and the new one reads both problematic drives with no problems, without using the cli just the widget, but thanks for your help |
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| 11:28.40 | boudiccas | problematic dvds |
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| 11:38.30 | architek | TechDesk: I see you mentionned ati. I'm fighting since a few days trying to get the fglrx latest driver working. do you use latest fglrx-driver from debian.org ? |
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| 11:40.41 | architek | there's a bug on b.d.o but the temporary solution doesn't work |
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| 11:40.54 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:00.29 | lulz87 | how to create encrypted homedir for new user? |
| 12:00.35 | pokkerface | hi how can i know where is the bottleneck when transferring a file between to machines on a lan?.. i am copying with scp and the max speed is 700KB/s |
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| 12:01.19 | batouzo | any program to quickly test regexp (probably with GUI), e.g. I write 10-20 test case strings, and then I type regexp formula and as I type, live, I see updates which test strings match |
| 12:01.22 | th0r | pokkerface: there is no easy answer to that question |
| 12:02.28 | dTal | pokkerface: well, test the usual suspects |
| 12:02.46 | dTal | run top on both machines for a start, see if either of them is having trouble keeping up |
| 12:02.52 | pokkerface | th0r: is this normal? what should a decent rate would be? |
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| 12:03.09 | batouzo | lulz87: btw, you know only full disk (with root partition) is really secure? |
| 12:03.25 | th0r | pokkerface: there is no easy answer to that question |
| 12:04.28 | dTal | if there's more than one piece of network hardware between the machines, check to see one of them isn't running at 10 megabits instead of 100 |
| 12:04.58 | lulz87 | but i dont have physical access to server, so anyone could reset bios or mess with grub in order to get root |
| 12:05.07 | lulz87 | i want my files be 99,99% secured |
| 12:05.36 | lulz87 | so that even root couldnt access it |
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| 12:05.58 | dTal | lulz87: if you've lost physical security, you have no security |
| 12:06.05 | th0r | lulz87: look at truecrypt |
| 12:06.12 | dTal | if you're worried about someone actually tampering with the machine, you've already lost |
| 12:06.41 | dTal | if it's a remote server you're going to want it to boot without human intervention, which means any encryption keys must also be on the server |
| 12:06.49 | dTal | thus defeating the purpose |
| 12:07.11 | wildc4rd | Good afternoon all! |
| 12:07.22 | pokkerface | wildc4rd: good morning |
| 12:07.26 | dTal | your best bet is locking the case with a key and putting a bios password on it |
| 12:07.31 | lulz87 | hmm |
| 12:07.51 | dTal | this way it can only ever boot off your vetted disk# |
| 12:08.04 | Neonlajt | if only truecrypt could support growing raids :) |
| 12:08.04 | lulz87 | so i can't encrypt files from root on server which i dont have |
| 12:08.15 | lulz87 | physical access |
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| 12:08.39 | dTal | you could, but as I said the keys would unavoidably also have to be on the server somehow |
| 12:09.16 | dTal | unless you're cool with having someone on-site to type a password in every time it boots, but I would suggest that's *less* secure |
| 12:09.21 | thewanderer1 | hi, I've opened a presentation (.pps) in OO.o Impress, and it automatically launches the slideshow. when I exit the slideshow, the program quits without letting me edit the file. why is that? |
| 12:09.49 | th0r | lulz87: are you running this server? |
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| 12:09.57 | dTal | thewanderer1: #Openoffice.org |
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| 12:10.04 | lulz87 | ok, how to protect root password if i dont have physical access? or i can forget that :/ i heard password can be reseted using grub |
| 12:10.10 | pokkerface | this is my router linksys wrt54g maybe thats the answer |
| 12:10.30 | dTal | lulz87: I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 12:10.34 | dTal | what is your threat model here |
| 12:10.57 | lulz87 | possible intrusion from corporation |
| 12:11.08 | lulz87 | i have root, but i dont have physical access |
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| 12:11.30 | lulz87 | if corporation pays someone who works in datacenter i could lose my files |
| 12:11.35 | dTal | there's nothing magic about grub |
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| 12:12.08 | dTal | just disable passwordless single user mode |
| 12:12.18 | dTal | that's already the default in a lot of distros |
| 12:13.01 | dTal | if you're worried about someone taking the hard drive out, or booting a livecd and copying your files, then give up |
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| 12:13.52 | dTal | the front of my server is physically locked so boot disks cannot be inserted, and there's a bios password |
| 12:14.15 | lulz87 | isn't that files protected? if someone copy it |
| 12:14.21 | dTal | I know it works because I forgot the password I'd used while I was setting it up, and had to haul it out, unscrew the case, and take the CMOS battery out |
| 12:15.32 | dTal | lulz87: I can't parse that |
| 12:15.58 | lulz87 | why not? :) |
| 12:16.09 | dTal | "Isn't that files protected" isn't a complete sentence |
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| 12:16.34 | ompaul | lulz87: if your data is so valuable that you can't afford to put it on a server, then don't ;-) at the end of the day your life will contain some level of compromise, if you buy a vps you don't own the security, if you have a machine in a rack and you don't own the rack you don't own all the security just some of it, if you don't have the computer in the same room as you and not connected to the internet then you don't have all the security, if you don' |
| 12:16.35 | ompaul | t have armed guards to stop physical access you don't have control and you can build all that until everyone on the planet is working for you, so make your choices about what you are willing to accept |
| 12:17.19 | dTal | if you're worried about someone *physically messing with the machine*, there's nothing you can do except lock it with a physical lock. If you're worried about people interacting with it using nothing but a keyboard, you can lock it down pretty good |
| 12:17.26 | dTal | but encryption is not going to help you |
| 12:17.26 | drazak | you're just being trollede, guys |
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| 12:18.10 | dTal | but yeah, if you don't even physically control the machine at all forget it |
| 12:18.39 | dTal | if you're worried about the hosting company, why are you using them? |
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| 12:19.12 | dTal | it could be a virtual machine they make a clone of every day and pore through |
| 12:19.27 | dTal | they'd have the contents of ram and everything |
| 12:19.30 | lulz87 | dTal: i widnt worried all the time, i started today becouse all are corupted |
| 12:19.33 | dTal | there's literally nothign you can do |
| 12:20.14 | thewanderer1 | except for hosting all infrastructure yourself *and* being there :P |
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| 12:21.06 | dTal | this is one reason I refuse to go with "cloud" services - nothing like having built the box yourself to be confident there's nothing nasty in it |
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| 12:23.30 | lulz87 | hmm, what is than purpose of truecrypt and other encryption appz |
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| 12:30.01 | dTal | lulz87: leaving laptops on trains as MPs are wont to do |
| 12:30.09 | dTal | not server data security |
| 12:30.38 | dTal | they key difference being that on a laptop you can type your damn password in whenever you need your data |
| 12:30.50 | dTal | whereas a server has to function without any interaction |
| 12:31.16 | dTal | which means if you encrypt anything, for the server to actually *use* it the key has to be on the server as *well* |
| 12:31.22 | dTal | as I have already explained ad nauseum |
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| 12:32.20 | lulz87 | i get it, thanks guys for help |
| 12:34.31 | jglodek | Hi there, i got problem installing debian from usb(unetbootin) i got first debian cd on usb, during installation at "Install the base system" i get "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" , is there a way to fix it? Am I supossed not to install from usb? Ive tried netinstallation as well. |
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| 12:37.40 | geonick | Hi everyone. I have a problem with reverse lookup zone in my debian squeeze installation. Can someone help? |
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| 12:38.39 | ompaul | geonick: ask the full question, including the what you are looking up, from where, and where dns and so on are |
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| 12:40.27 | geonick | OK, I am running a web hosting server under squeeze and through ISPConfig. I cannot seem to be able to setup my reverse lookup zone files to be able to provide reverse lookups. So if someone dig -x myip, gets a weird responce (mx0.toddcomputersales.com) |
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| 12:56.15 | qwd | ham5: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/10/msg00017.html |
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| 13:00.47 | pokkerface | 1pc ethernet card 100Mb/s , wifi network 54Mb/s , transfering with scp between 1pc and a laptop at 0,7MB , can someone tell me whats the problem? |
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| 13:05.59 | dTal | pokkerface: don't forget 700 KB/s = 5.6 Mb/s |
| 13:06.31 | dTal | you're never going to get maximum speed over wifi anyway |
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| 13:06.43 | dTal | or any network |
| 13:07.04 | pokkerface | ok but if the max is 54, im having 10% of the max |
| 13:07.08 | dTal | so the maximum you could reasonably expect would be perhaps 30-45 Mb/s |
| 13:07.18 | dTal | and that's if the wifi is at full tilt |
| 13:07.40 | pokkerface | there is only a wired pc connected and a laptop |
| 13:07.53 | dTal | if it dropped down to 11 Mb/s, as it very likely might if there were interference, then the max you could reasonably expect would be maybe 7 |
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| 13:08.26 | dTal | and then there's the overhead scp introduces - did you check the load on both machines like I suggested? |
| 13:08.48 | error0327 | hii all , ijust install debian 32bit testing on my compaq cq61 . and i just install it on a 10GB part and it is ext4 , i like to know if there any safe process the shrink it to 20GB without losing any data . thanks |
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| 13:09.31 | dTal | error0327: you want to shrink 10 gigabytes to 20? That's some shrinking there |
| 13:09.33 | pokkerface | no i checked the max transfer |
| 13:10.00 | sedulous | you mean expand it to 20 GB. if you want a GUI, gparted is quite reliable but a backup is still inevitable. |
| 13:10.30 | error0327 | dtal: :) |
| 13:10.44 | error0327 | sedulous : thanks |
| 13:10.57 | dTal | expanding is usually okay |
| 13:11.07 | dTal | also can't you do that with ext4 online? |
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| 13:11.36 | error0327 | what you mean ext4 online |
| 13:11.39 | error0327 | ? |
| 13:11.44 | dTal | try resize2fs |
| 13:12.00 | dTal | you if you're expanding and your kernel supports it you don't even need to unmount it |
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| 13:12.35 | error0327 | ok so resize2fs or gparted ? ! |
| 13:12.38 | dTal | of course that assumes there's empty space to expand it to - if you have to shrink another partition to make room, obviously you'll want to do that first |
| 13:13.04 | error0327 | ok |
| 13:13.06 | dTal | gparted is safer, has a nice gui |
| 13:13.11 | sedulous | error0327: if you're uncomfortable with console tools that could possibly damage your data, i recommend gparted |
| 13:13.12 | error0327 | i have 450GB free ! |
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| 13:13.44 | error0327 | so i will go with gparted thanks sedulous :) |
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| 13:16.13 | sedulous | error0327: they also have a live CD: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 13:16.33 | sedulous | it's part of many other live CDs too though |
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| 13:18.57 | error0327 | sedulous :yes maybe that will work because i just install it and i just delete the free space so i have 450GB unallocated but icant expand the the 10 maybe because i am using it i am in the system running now ! |
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| 13:27.36 | architek | Isn't that possible if stopping just after initramfs? I've always wondered |
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| 13:30.36 | architek | I went to kernel 3.0, removed fglrx in favor of radeon, lost wifi. Problem: cpu is heating a lot (like in windows) while it was not before. What could I do to investigate? |
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| 13:53.39 | UbuntuInNeed | hi guys |
| 13:53.56 | UbuntuInNeed | i want to install debian |
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| 13:54.09 | UbuntuInNeed | but where can i download it? there are so many versions apparently? |
| 13:54.28 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: what do you want on your computer when you are finished? |
| 13:54.31 | ham5 | options, not versions |
| 13:54.51 | UbuntuInNeed | ompaul: basically i just want to replace ubuntu |
| 13:55.24 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: so I don't know what you installed so I can't help you yet, please answer the question with a little more detail. |
| 13:55.29 | UbuntuInNeed | i had 11.04 until this morning when i upgraded to 11.10 and i hate Unity, and debian has longer support for 6.0 than ubuntu 10.04 |
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| 13:55.57 | UbuntuInNeed | ompaul: i want a general purpose linux distro, basically like ubuntu out of the box, but debian instead |
| 13:56.02 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: so I don't know what you installed so I can't help you yet, please answer the question with a little more detail. |
| 13:56.11 | UbuntuInNeed | huh |
| 13:56.20 | UbuntuInNeed | do u know ubuntu? |
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| 13:56.31 | ompaul | I asked you a question, I'll ask the specific one again. |
| 13:56.33 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: what do you want on your computer when you are finished? |
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| 13:56.43 | ompaul | KDE gnome lxde what |
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| 13:56.46 | UbuntuInNeed | gnome |
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| 13:56.58 | UbuntuInNeed | 2.whatever instead of 3 |
| 13:57.01 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: and you want the easiest path to that, |
| 13:57.04 | UbuntuInNeed | i dont like gnome shell nor unity |
| 13:57.07 | UbuntuInNeed | yes |
| 13:57.21 | UbuntuInNeed | i thought i would see an option to dl a 700MB file or so |
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| 13:57.53 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: get disk one of the debian set, and start from there, when you have it installed get back here don't go off doing things some random person suggests on the internet ;-) |
| 13:58.10 | UbuntuInNeed | can u give me the link plz |
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| 13:58.25 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: a good idea is to also get the package firmware-linux-nonfree for 6.0.3 |
| 13:58.37 | ompaul | ,versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 13:58.37 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.33; wheezy/non-free: 0.33 |
| 13:58.45 | UbuntuInNeed | im on this http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 13:58.46 | ompaul | stick that on a spare usb stick or |
| 14:00.07 | Amarande | :blink ATI video cards actually need microcode firmware loaded from userspace? |
| 14:00.33 | Amarande | I wonder if not having that was why I always got kernel panic when I tried to use fglrx, or if those are for some sort of specialised thing I'm not familiar with. |
| 14:00.58 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 14:01.48 | UbuntuInNeed | The following Debian images are available for download: Official CD/DVD images of the stable release Official CD/DVD images of the testing distribution (regenerated weekly) |
| 14:02.00 | UbuntuInNeed | i click "syable release"? |
| 14:02.01 | ompaul | 6.0.3 |
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| 14:02.06 | ompaul | yes click stable |
| 14:02.20 | UbuntuInNeed | and now what?... |
| 14:02.32 | ompaul | burn a cd |
| 14:02.35 | ompaul | CD1 |
| 14:02.45 | ompaul | it can't be that hard |
| 14:02.53 | UbuntuInNeed | it will provide a GUI right? |
| 14:03.06 | UbuntuInNeed | cuz its only 650mb |
| 14:03.07 | akelith | Amarande: The microcode is only needed for the OSS ATI driver, not the binary driver. |
| 14:03.08 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: you asked for gnome that will provide gnome |
| 14:03.13 | UbuntuInNeed | ok cool |
| 14:03.16 | UbuntuInNeed | i dont see i686 tho |
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| 14:03.52 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: so you want to run 32bit get i386 |
| 14:03.54 | llama-toucher | don't you love it when you come back to your computer and for some reason your windows in irssi changed sizes? |
| 14:04.14 | UbuntuInNeed | and what shpould i choose now? cuz i get a huge list |
| 14:04.19 | UbuntuInNeed | it looks like a notepad file |
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| 14:04.24 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: Cd 1 |
| 14:04.49 | UbuntuInNeed | ok cool |
| 14:04.59 | UbuntuInNeed | when thats done dling i just burn it and install it right |
| 14:05.01 | GRMrGecko | Do the right people know that mozilla.debian.net is down? |
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| 14:05.46 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: yes, did you read my other comment |
| 14:05.57 | UbuntuInNeed | yes i just caught it |
| 14:06.04 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: a good idea is to also get the package firmware-linux-nonfree for 6.0.3 squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1 |
| 14:06.07 | UbuntuInNeed | thank you so much ompaul |
| 14:06.09 | Amarande | wait, mdn is down? I just got an iceweasel update about ... an hour or so ago I think |
| 14:06.16 | UbuntuInNeed | how do i get that? :O |
| 14:06.29 | Amarande | are you sure everything's configgled right and such? |
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| 14:06.46 | GRMrGecko | my server and I cannot connect to it |
| 14:06.50 | GRMrGecko | so I would say it's down |
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| 14:07.10 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=firmware-nonfree |
| 14:07.11 | GRMrGecko | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at mozilla.debian.net. |
| 14:07.25 | ompaul | GRMrGecko: why would you be using firefox |
| 14:07.27 | Amarande | hmm, I can't seem to connect to it now either |
| 14:07.30 | ompaul | iceweasel |
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| 14:07.44 | GRMrGecko | ompaul: Because I'm not on Debian? My server is though... |
| 14:07.45 | UbuntuInNeed | ompaul: what should i do now? |
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| 14:08.25 | GRMrGecko | ompaul: What is the difference between iceweasel and firefox anyway? |
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| 14:08.29 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: download put it on a stick when you boot the box and if it has "issues" over firmware can't see the network stick in your usb stick with that file drag it onto your desktop, and type |
| 14:08.44 | UbuntuInNeed | wowow you lost me |
| 14:08.51 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: how |
| 14:08.59 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: a good idea is to also get the package firmware-linux-nonfree for 6.0.3 squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1 |
| 14:09.04 | UbuntuInNeed | the ISO that ill burn wont work? |
| 14:09.05 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: that step is get a package |
| 14:09.19 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: no, that is not what I said |
| 14:09.20 | Amarande | If I was going to hazard a guess they must be having some issues at their ISP, when I attempted to traceroute mozilla.debian.net it eventually listed "trent.core.telegraaf.net (217.196.40.15) twice consecutively and then stopped |
| 14:09.53 | UbuntuInNeed | the only unrecognized piece of hw by ubuntu was my wifi card, but installing b43-fwcutter solved that |
| 14:09.59 | UbuntuInNeed | i can do the same on debian |
| 14:10.06 | ompaul | GRMrGecko: debian compiles iceweasel so it can do its own security fixes to mozilla so that mozilla's trademark holders are happy |
| 14:10.16 | ompaul | yes |
| 14:10.22 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: yes |
| 14:10.40 | UbuntuInNeed | so no need for that thing i guess? |
| 14:10.43 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: however you might want to have that bit of software on a stick in case of other issues |
| 14:10.51 | UbuntuInNeed | ah ok i c now |
| 14:10.53 | GRMrGecko | ompaul: So iceweasel is a debian controlled version of FireFox in otherwords |
| 14:10.54 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: I have machines that need it for ethernet |
| 14:10.58 | UbuntuInNeed | a separate thing |
| 14:11.02 | Amarande | GRMrGecko: Yeah, it's pretty much how back in the 3.5 days, you could make pretty much whatever you wanted for D&D, but you could only call it "OGL" or "D20", only Wizards of the Coast was allowed to call it "D&D". |
| 14:11.05 | ompaul | GRMrGecko: debian compiled |
| 14:11.08 | UbuntuInNeed | in case something goes wrong |
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| 14:11.12 | Amarande | Only official Mozilla Firefox releases are allowed to call themselves Firefox. |
| 14:11.12 | UbuntuInNeed | i plug in the usb flash drive |
| 14:11.39 | UbuntuInNeed | firefox will die anyways due to chrome >< |
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| 14:11.55 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: drag it to your desktop, open a terminal "su -" to root, and then dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:12.04 | GRMrGecko | Amarande: I knew that, however I am just saying their isn't much of a difference. |
| 14:12.11 | UbuntuInNeed | ompaul: in case i would need to do that ill come back to this chat room ok |
| 14:12.28 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: get that file so you don't need to be told again |
| 14:12.34 | UbuntuInNeed | yes |
| 14:12.51 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: you should be able to get beyond this point without help |
| 14:13.02 | UbuntuInNeed | do i click "squeeze"? |
| 14:13.11 | ompaul | woatr? |
| 14:13.21 | ompaul | ah yes |
| 14:13.25 | UbuntuInNeed | or on "non free" |
| 14:13.29 | UbuntuInNeed | they are different links |
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| 14:14.08 | UbuntuInNeed | ok ill click squeeze |
| 14:14.15 | Amarande | UbuntuInNeed: debian is divided into "main", "contrib", "non-free", and "contrib/non-free" (or was it the other way round? but basically that) sections |
| 14:14.34 | ompaul | main contrib non-free |
| 14:14.39 | UbuntuInNeed | oh dear i forgot what to click next in this huge list i just got |
| 14:14.51 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: what did I tell you to look for - look for it |
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| 14:15.49 | UbuntuInNeed | yh i just did, i cant find a download button lol >< |
| 14:16.37 | UbuntuInNeed | uuooh, it's under "all" at the bottom lol |
| 14:17.21 | UbuntuInNeed | downloaded already from the NL |
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| 14:19.42 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: so you go to here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 14:20.11 | UbuntuInNeed | it was only 300kb or so it dled very fast |
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| 14:20.41 | ompaul | aye |
| 14:20.45 | UbuntuInNeed | 222MB of the 648MB for my debian iso, come on :D |
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| 14:21.05 | UbuntuInNeed | will v7 have a gnome 2 option? |
| 14:21.14 | UbuntuInNeed | or will u use gnome shell too? |
| 14:21.22 | ompaul | unlikely |
| 14:21.23 | UbuntuInNeed | or maybe even unity =-O |
| 14:21.28 | ompaul | unlikely |
| 14:21.40 | arghx | !gnome3 |
| 14:21.41 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 14:21.47 | UbuntuInNeed | unlikely to what? |
| 14:21.57 | ompaul | unlikely to have unity |
| 14:22.01 | arghx | it's unlikely there will be a gnome 2 in wheezy |
| 14:22.02 | UbuntuInNeed | ah |
| 14:22.06 | UbuntuInNeed | darn |
| 14:22.13 | ompaul | unlikely for 2 |
| 14:22.21 | UbuntuInNeed | i find gnome 2's UI way better than gnome shell and unity |
| 14:22.30 | arghx | ompaul: why not? unity is a simple shell ontop of gnome. it will be there I guess but not used by default |
| 14:22.57 | ompaul | arghx: I don't know of work to port it to debian |
| 14:23.02 | arghx | kinda like you can use upstart now if you want to but you have to install it explicitly |
| 14:23.03 | Dagger3 | UbuntuInNeed: you might want to take a look at XFCE |
| 14:23.11 | ompaul | but that does not mean it is not happening |
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| 14:23.21 | Dagger3 | which is pretty similar to Gnome 2, as far as I can tell |
| 14:23.35 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: you can change on upgrade you can change to other desktops if you want so why sweat the small stuff |
| 14:23.42 | UbuntuInNeed | Dagger3: yh i will end up doing that if there wont be any distro left with a gnome 2 UI |
| 14:24.02 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: well gnome are not going to support 2.0 forever |
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| 14:28.13 | UbuntuInNeed | true but the UI of gnome shell and unity is a joke |
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| 14:28.43 | ompaul | UbuntuInNeed: move to kde in which case get the kde disk ;-) |
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| 14:31.31 | Amarande | but don't uninstall GNOME completely, I think you pretty much need to have its configuration tools on hand in order to configure themes on GTK apps (which are a lot, including xchat and iceweasel) |
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| 14:36.08 | UbuntuInNeed | i dislike kde too |
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| 14:39.03 | nitzs | I have debian squeeze amd64 installed. On tty1, I have to press characters twice to get them to input and echo onscreen (on rare occasions, a character may need only a single press, but that's random.). What is the problem? |
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| 14:40.27 | ompaul | nitzs: try an alternate keyboard? |
| 14:41.02 | nitzs | ompaul: the other ttys work fine. |
| 14:41.30 | ompaul | did you upgrade and not reboot? |
| 14:41.38 | ompaul | log out and back in and have it reset itself |
| 14:42.25 | nitzs | ompaul: this problem is occuring from quite some time and yes I have rebooted after the upgrade. |
| 14:42.38 | ompaul | nitzs: I have no other ideas |
| 14:43.18 | nitzs | ok. thanks anyways. |
| 14:43.33 | _0bitcount | http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot/statement |
| 14:43.34 | ompaul | np |
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| 14:44.50 | UbuntuInNeed | 200MB to go oh yeah |
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| 14:46.50 | nitzs | for what? |
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| 14:48.59 | UbuntuInNeed | nitzs then ill have debian 6 |
| 14:49.10 | UbuntuInNeed | which will replace my ubuntu install |
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| 14:49.25 | UbuntuInNeed | and will stay on it till like 2015 or so when support drops |
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| 15:07.39 | stepkrav | hello. |
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| 15:15.13 | llama-linux | hi |
| 15:15.20 | stepkrav | how do we install the downloaded .tar.bz2 of thunderbird ? |
| 15:16.11 | ompaul | stepkrav: what is wrong with apt-get install icedove |
| 15:16.34 | ompaul | stepkrav: I only ask as that is the usual way to install stuff on debian |
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| 15:16.50 | stepkrav | nothing. icedove is running well. i just wanna have a look at the new one. |
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| 15:17.46 | ompaul | so download it from mozilla but it is not supported here and may break your existing I'd suggest creating a vm and testing it inside that |
| 15:18.13 | stepkrav | yeah i am testing it in another machine |
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| 15:18.24 | stepkrav | just dont know how to install it |
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| 15:19.20 | ompaul | tar xvfj thunderbird ... .tar.bz2 |
| 15:19.42 | ompaul | then you put is in something like /usr/local/bin or /opt/ and then work on it from there |
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| 15:21.00 | stepkrav | okay ompaul i'll try it. thanks |
| 15:22.16 | Mashed | i'd personally install it to my home directory if it was just for testing |
| 15:22.34 | Mashed | you can set the --prefix in the configure script. |
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| 15:37.02 | hje841 | I'm writing a shell script: How do I perform the same operation on several files in the same |
| 15:37.04 | hje841 | folder and then do something to the individual file acording to the outcome of that common operation? |
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| 15:41.35 | Iridos | not really a debian question... more like #bash... basically: for file in *; do if [ -f "$file" ] then echo it is a normal file; else if [ -d "$file" ] then echo it is a directory; fi ; done |
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| 15:42.10 | thomaschaaf | Hey I installed a software called npm a while back. Now I installed a new (self compiled) version of it and that is actually in a new location (was /usr/local/bin/npm) now is /usr/bin/npm. whereis npm now gives me the following output: npm: /usr/bin/npm /usr/local/bin/npm /usr/share/man/man3/npm.3 /usr/share/man/man1/npm.1 how can I remove the old path? |
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| 15:42.23 | massakii | hello, I`m trying to install mysql-server on lenny, but the aptitude is not finding the package, any knowing issues? |
| 15:42.23 | hje841 | Iridos: thanks. I wasn't aware of the #bash channel |
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| 15:43.19 | itchi | massakii: See with /msg dpkg mysql |
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| 15:43.32 | Iridos | thomaschaaf, remove the old program |
| 15:43.38 | Iridos | not "the old path2 |
| 15:43.42 | Iridos | s/2/"/ |
| 15:43.55 | thomaschaaf | how do I find it? |
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| 15:44.19 | thomaschaaf | just rm? it? |
| 15:44.25 | itchi | I recently updated my testing box and now all is so slow on it. Seems there's some glitch somewhere. Anyone using the testing version? |
| 15:44.45 | Iridos | thomaschaaf, if that was a debian package, it's in the mricron package |
| 15:44.50 | Iridos | judd, versions mricron |
| 15:44.51 | judd | Package: mricron on i386 -- sid: 0.20110413.1~dfsg.1-1; wheezy: 0.20110413.1~dfsg.1-1 |
| 15:45.03 | Iridos | hm, well, it's probably not |
| 15:45.05 | arghx | itchi: please ask a sensible question |
| 15:45.17 | massakii | itchi: that`s exacly what I did aptitude install mysql-server |
| 15:45.19 | Iridos | thomaschaaf, if you install stuff outside the packaging system, they're solely your responsibilty |
| 15:45.25 | massakii | no deal |
| 15:45.49 | arghx | !tell massakii about bat |
| 15:45.49 | itchi | arghx: yeah, i'm a bit stuck, looking for the cause but doesn't see any. Except that pulsaudio that i have directly trow away |
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| 15:45.58 | Iridos | thomaschaaf, and hence you should have provided a reasonable uninstall venue |
| 15:46.12 | Iridos | judd, versions mysql-server |
| 15:46.12 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1 |
| 15:46.37 | arghx | itchi: I suggest you start by finding out what hardware exactly is slow |
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| 15:47.23 | arghx | massakii: you should pastebin the output of apt-cache policy |
| 15:47.59 | itchi | arghx: It is a box i'm using since month, it's years now i'm using testing. After that update the whole box just started to be realy slow at some things. For example iceweasel, thunar... Switching from window give the impression that the whole system is already busy doing somethings but it doesn't |
| 15:48.01 | Iridos | massakii, lenny is an old version of debian that is not much longer supported and you should upgrade to squeeze. If mysql-server isn't found there must be a some pretty important bits missing from your sources.list... can you put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 15:48.43 | arghx | itchi: from your description you are not fit to run testing. please read what I told you above again. then start over |
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| 15:49.11 | itchi | arghx: You are ways to fast to judge, giving me the impression you are 12 years old dot |
| 15:49.14 | Iridos | itchi, what did you do to check? |
| 15:49.40 | arghx | itchi: and why didn't you tell us about the results of your checks? |
| 15:49.46 | itchi | Iridos: I'm just looking with ps aux and see what is running. But i guess it's that fresh xorg update |
| 15:50.01 | massakii | thanks for support guys, this is my output http://pastebin.com/TJDXdKEF |
| 15:50.05 | itchi | arghx: I said you that i'm a bit stuck :P |
| 15:50.11 | massakii | and sources.list content |
| 15:50.13 | Iridos | itchi, top, iotop, vmstat, dmesg |
| 15:50.27 | itchi | heh, it's not about a fresh box heh :P |
| 15:50.45 | Iridos | and I kind of tend to agree you would be better off sticking with stable if you didn't think of using all those yourself to find out what's wrong |
| 15:50.46 | itchi | But no problem, i'm going to follow my way without the kids ... |
| 15:51.40 | itchi | You all bombard ways to fast, judge ways to fast. But what could we expect of kids after all |
| 15:51.58 | arghx | massakii: maybe try a official mirror? what does apt-cache policy mysql-server say? if it doesn't exist, an official mirror would be a good idea to eliminate one cause of the problem |
| 15:52.02 | Iridos | itchi, well, look at the screen of 1) and 2) for the highest activity, look for swapping with vmstat 3 and look for lots of repeating error in dmesg |
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| 15:52.05 | daveo | itchi: try Iridos ideas first |
| 15:52.26 | itchi | daveo: have looked already, but it's years ago i switched to htop for example |
| 15:52.36 | Iridos | itchi, and I am hardly a kid anymore, so perhaps you are judging a bit too fast and we are more like judging with about the correct speed? |
| 15:52.56 | itchi | pfff |
| 15:53.02 | arghx | itchi: someone who runs testing we expect a certain amount of debugging skills. if he doesn't display them repeatedly there is only one conclusion to draw. and unless you are a grandpa, I doubt you are older than us |
| 15:53.09 | itchi | Iridos: You must be fresh here or i would have remember your nick |
| 15:53.10 | daveo | methinks i see a troll... |
| 15:53.44 | arghx | itchi: nicks change. and we are longer here than you I'd say |
| 15:53.47 | itchi | After all, i just asked a basic question and i just didn't got an answer on that, instead i got borred by some other stupid things i checked already ... |
| 15:53.47 | Iridos | ok |
| 15:53.51 | Iridos | !offtopic |
| 15:53.51 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 15:54.09 | itchi | Ok, have a nice day all ... |
| 15:54.14 | Iridos | itchi, I gave you lots of good advice how to debug it. Instead of following it, you keep bitching |
| 15:54.25 | Iridos | why don't go go, have a look and then tell us what you found out |
| 15:54.45 | itchi | Iridos: It's what i said, there's no suspect info atm on the system :) |
| 15:55.21 | massakii | arghx: Thanks, I dindt realize the mirros |
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| 15:59.42 | Iridos | itchi, so why don't you paste e.g. line 3 of "top" |
| 15:59.59 | itchi | Iridos: Cpu(s): 0.8%us, 2.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 16:00.04 | itchi | Because that's useless?? :P |
| 16:00.08 | Iridos | itchi, and I'm here since about 2002... I know that's "a bit fresh", but you'll just have to live with it |
| 16:00.24 | Iridos | so what exactly _is_ so slow? |
| 16:00.36 | itchi | Iridos: Nah, that's seems to be good. I just hate these new kids know all but doesn't know anything after all :) |
| 16:00.53 | itchi | Especially these ubuntu "geeks" :P |
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| 16:02.02 | itchi | Iridos: Switching say from window. If you have say, Thunar open, then move to Iceweasel which is already open. I just fee Xorg slow |
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| 16:02.21 | arghx | itchi: then check what video driver you use |
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| 16:02.28 | itchi | But no info relevant info in the Xorg.log nor dmesg and syslog etc |
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| 16:02.35 | itchi | arghx: The diabolic one :P |
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| 16:03.10 | itchi | But i still need that one, as i'm doing 3D and atm working for the flightgear project |
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| 16:03.47 | arghx | what is "diabolic"? |
| 16:04.06 | itchi | arghx: Nvidia, with the nvidia installer :/ |
| 16:04.14 | itchi | And i feel it's the cause :( |
| 16:04.15 | arghx | do you even know how to check what videodriver you're currently using? |
| 16:04.23 | chiwawa_42 | Hey ! Just stopping by to express some rage : Why the fuck do zeelots makes an network install media unable to install from network because of a missing firmware ? Isn't it just plain fucking stupid ? |
| 16:04.44 | Iridos | well, then it's simple... if you had an xorg update anything you did with the nvidia installer is gone |
| 16:04.52 | itchi | arghx: using the nvidia driver, the latest 285.05.09 |
| 16:05.03 | mashed | chiwawa_42 yeah, that's a bummer but if it's not 'free' software debian cant distribute it |
| 16:05.05 | Iridos | also, the nvidia installer is not supported here, there's perfectly fine ways of installing an nvidia driver without it |
| 16:05.09 | cahoot | chipotle, relieved? |
| 16:05.15 | arghx | chiwawa_42: /msg dpkg firmware images and as for the rest of your rant: can it! |
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| 16:05.37 | arghx | itchi: and how do you KNOW you are using this exact driver? not assume, but KNOW? |
| 16:05.42 | itchi | no, 3D is ok, but X apps is kinda slow, even if fgfs runs at the same fps. It's just seems to be when switching to another X app |
| 16:05.45 | architek | one usually have an eth interface.. |
| 16:05.55 | Iridos | !tell chiwawa_42 -about firmware installer |
| 16:06.03 | chiwawa_42 | arghx: yeah, got that, just really impractical when you have to netinstall a remote machine |
| 16:06.23 | itchi | arghx: Cause i have checked my xorg.conf by hand?? :P |
| 16:06.37 | Iridos | oh, or the one arghx suggested |
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| 16:06.52 | itchi | arghx: And fgfs won't run if it's with the the nouveau :) |
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| 16:06.57 | chiwawa_42 | so it's either wasting an hour or so transfering back the boot image inclueding the missing file or sticking to an usable distro |
| 16:07.18 | chiwawa_42 | i'll choose the later, despite how great the overall distro is... |
| 16:07.35 | architek | bye |
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| 16:08.32 | UbuntuInNeed | hey im back |
| 16:08.44 | arghx | itchi: your xorg.conf is meaningless for this to know. again: please use debian stable. you can run nvidia drivers 285.x there too. even installed the proper debian way |
| 16:08.55 | UbuntuInNeed | when installing debian it asks me to make the partition "prior" or "logic" |
| 16:09.05 | arghx | UbuntuInNeed: primary or logical |
| 16:09.06 | UbuntuInNeed | what should i choose? >< i dont wannt lose my windows partition |
| 16:09.11 | UbuntuInNeed | yeah thats what i meant |
| 16:09.20 | arghx | UbuntuInNeed: how many other partitions do you have? |
| 16:09.22 | UbuntuInNeed | i seriously cannot afford losing my windows parition |
| 16:09.26 | UbuntuInNeed | well it listed 4 |
| 16:09.34 | UbuntuInNeed | a small ntfs one |
| 16:09.41 | UbuntuInNeed | a big ntfs one - on which Win is installed |
| 16:09.52 | UbuntuInNeed | and then the ext4 one |
| 16:09.52 | mashed | UbuntuInNeed do you have any free space? |
| 16:09.58 | itchi | arghx: nah man, i love falling on broken stuff. I like ways to much the whole open source spirit and about fixing/contributing to the oss |
| 16:10.02 | UbuntuInNeed | and then one more with 935MB free space |
| 16:10.03 | Iridos | UbuntuInNeed, that's where backups can incredibly soothe your mind |
| 16:10.03 | mashed | or any partitions you can blam? |
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| 16:10.11 | UbuntuInNeed | yh |
| 16:10.12 | comradekingu | UbuntuInNeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#Primary_partition |
| 16:10.28 | UbuntuInNeed | the 53.3GB partition is emtpy |
| 16:10.30 | arghx | UbuntuInNeed: do you have any free, unallocated space on your system? |
| 16:10.32 | itchi | arghx: It's the same as if i would say you, please stop using a computer :P |
| 16:10.35 | UbuntuInNeed | so i clicked that to install it on |
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| 16:10.41 | UbuntuInNeed | yeah |
| 16:10.44 | arghx | UbuntuInNeed: and if you already have 4 partitions, you need to create a logical one |
| 16:10.48 | UbuntuInNeed | but not it asks me the partition thing |
| 16:11.04 | UbuntuInNeed | but now illl be reusing one |
| 16:11.08 | UbuntuInNeed | cuz it deleted ubuntu |
| 16:11.12 | Iridos | actually if he's already got 4 primary partitions, he can't create any without removing one first |
| 16:11.35 | arghx | UbuntuInNeed: again, do you have free unpartitioned space? |
| 16:11.40 | UbuntuInNeed | yh i cleaned one and it said EMPTY SPACE |
| 16:11.46 | UbuntuInNeed | so i chose that one |
| 16:11.48 | arghx | UbuntuInNeed: and if you can't afford to lose any data you MUST have backups |
| 16:11.53 | UbuntuInNeed | and now it asks me how i wanna partition it |
| 16:11.57 | arghx | ok. use "logical" then if you can |
| 16:11.57 | mashed | UbuntuInNeed eep, im not going to give you any advice becuase you stand to lose a lot if my advice is wrong. |
| 16:11.59 | UbuntuInNeed | i do but still |
| 16:12.20 | mashed | the advice I will give is get a second hard disk. |
| 16:12.21 | Iridos | still our advice is to get backups :) |
| 16:12.37 | mashed | and that |
| 16:12.37 | UbuntuInNeed | i do have them |
| 16:12.51 | Iridos | arghx, you're not in #d-o |
| 16:12.53 | UbuntuInNeed | arghx thx ill click logical |
| 16:13.07 | UbuntuInNeed | it was also the default selected option |
| 16:13.18 | UbuntuInNeed | ill bbs depending on how well the rest goes |
| 16:13.32 | mashed | then to be absolutely sure disconnect the windows hard disk before doing anythig else, This also protects the boot sector on the windows HDD too |
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| 16:14.53 | mashed | man #Ubuntu is just an orgie of questions. |
| 16:15.33 | TechDesk | [13:38:20] <architek> TechDesk: I see you mentionned ati. I'm fighting since a few days trying to get the fglrx latest driver working. do you use latest fglrx-driver from debian.org ? |
| 16:15.39 | TechDesk | yes |
| 16:15.51 | mashed | its impossible to communicate there |
| 16:16.13 | daveo | does #Ubuntu tell you what to do if you break the cup-holder on the computer box? |
| 16:16.13 | UbuntuInNeed | im back already |
| 16:16.29 | UbuntuInNeed | i clicked next after selecting logical |
| 16:16.40 | UbuntuInNeed | and now it asks me info for another partition |
| 16:16.52 | UbuntuInNeed | it's number 6 which was below Windows's |
| 16:17.02 | UbuntuInNeed | so im guessing thats the 935MB one i mentioned |
| 16:17.17 | UbuntuInNeed | i formatted the previous one as ext4 so ill format this one as ext4 too? |
| 16:17.30 | Iridos | you're not gonna ask you about every of the 50 next clicks/decisions the installer will be asking of you, are you? |
| 16:17.32 | architek | TechDesk: lol thanks meanwhile I ditched fglrx after having it for months... do you mind pasting an dpkg -l | egrep "xorg|fglrx" |
| 16:17.47 | architek | but now I'm back in heating problems |
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| 16:18.20 | architek | TechDesk: so I guess you have an old xorg |
| 16:18.28 | mashed | daveo pretty much |
| 16:18.29 | arghx | architek: which videocard do you have? |
| 16:18.48 | TechDesk | i'm not on debian for this moment, on arch |
| 16:19.10 | TechDesk | xorg of sid |
| 16:19.19 | architek | arghx: ATI Technologies Inc Robson CE [AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series] [1002:68e4] |
| 16:19.30 | architek | humm but they conflict due to abi |
| 16:19.39 | arghx | architek: poor you :( |
| 16:19.44 | architek | arghx: lol yes |
| 16:20.05 | arghx | hmmm... has the new xorg with the new ABI filtered down from sid to wheezy now? |
| 16:20.26 | arghx | now I understand why there is an influx of debian-"experts" who run testing with problems |
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| 16:20.43 | architek | Don't know but since I removed fglrx I'm fully on sid |
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| 16:22.18 | architek | you can either have latest fglrx-driver or xserver-xorg-core, i just checked |
| 16:22.26 | architek | not both |
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| 16:22.51 | arghx | architek: I doubt older fglrx works either |
| 16:23.08 | architek | arghx: yes, I didn't go this path, I had an old xorg |
| 16:23.18 | arghx | I sugggest you do a partial downgrade of xorg, then fglrx should work again |
| 16:23.34 | architek | no, hangs, or segfaults in glesx |
| 16:23.36 | arghx | architek: which debian do you run? |
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| 16:24.08 | architek | arghx: sid now |
| 16:24.25 | architek | arghx: before than was sid - 40 packages held in stable. |
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| 16:24.51 | architek | and now I enjoy kernel 3.0. err until the kernel bug I had 30mn ago |
| 16:24.54 | arghx | architek: please run debian stable with backports. it will support your hardware |
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| 16:25.40 | architek | yes but no, I needed something not available in backports. But that's fine now, I'm happy with my config, just need to fix the heating and kernel bug |
| 16:26.01 | itchi | arghx: Yeah man :P |
| 16:26.13 | architek | also I use rt2800 from kernel while I needed an out of kernel driver before |
| 16:26.18 | itchi | There's a big glitch with the new ABI :/ |
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| 16:28.21 | itchi | Or the glitch is at the fresh nvidia part |
| 16:28.24 | mattp_ | if i want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, i just need to s/squeeze/wheezy/g in sources.list right |
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| 16:28.36 | itchi | mattp_: You wouldn't ask that |
| 16:28.56 | arghx | !tell mattp_ about squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:29.06 | mattp_ | arghx: thanks |
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| 16:29.31 | itchi | arghx: And btw, i'm not an expert, i'm just a big fan |
| 16:29.55 | arghx | itchi: we know that already. no need to write it |
| 16:30.02 | calculon_ | Guys, i got iceweasel 7.0 segmentation fault |
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| 16:30.53 | mattp_ | arghx: so i only have a deb and deb-src line in my sources.list now. is that correct? |
| 16:30.56 | itchi | arghx: haha, you are kinda funny :P |
| 16:31.06 | mattp_ | 2 lines, both wheezy main non-free contrib |
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| 16:31.47 | calculon_ | how to resolve my problem? |
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| 16:32.15 | cahoot | calculon_, using sid? |
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| 16:32.53 | cahoot | calculon_, no pm's thank you |
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| 16:35.09 | jhutchins | calculon_: Revert to a stable version. |
| 16:35.26 | cahoot | calculon_, as a sid user you should check and report bugs, also if possible solve and report the solution |
| 16:37.04 | jhutchins | calculon_: You asked how to resolve the problem, I told you. |
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| 16:37.53 | architek | or cahoot solution |
| 16:38.30 | arghx | architek: I'm curious, do you have hybrid graphics? |
| 16:39.59 | architek | arghx: emm I don't think so. |
| 16:40.32 | arghx | architek: what cpu is it? llano? |
| 16:41.13 | architek | arghx: i3 M350 |
| 16:42.30 | arghx | so yes, you have hybrid graphics. can you pastebin the ouput of lspci -nn ? |
| 16:43.52 | architek | arghx: http://paste.debian.net/136782/ |
| 16:44.26 | despoil | time is wrong, trying to use ntp any help appreciated |
| 16:44.45 | arghx | despoil: more info needed |
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| 16:45.15 | arghx | architek: ah, so you have disabled the internal intel GPU in BIOS? |
| 16:45.44 | despoil | arghx running squeeze in a vm |
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| 16:45.54 | despoil | i set my location |
| 16:46.07 | despoil | but it's saying its 4:33am |
| 16:46.28 | arghx | what timezone are you in? |
| 16:46.47 | despoil | EST |
| 16:46.52 | despoil | NY |
| 16:47.14 | arghx | try ntpdate pool.ntp.org to set it initially. from then on ntp should work for it |
| 16:47.27 | jhutchins | despoil: VMs are notoriously incapable of timekeeping. |
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| 16:47.57 | arghx | unfortunately jhutchins is right |
| 16:48.07 | jhutchins | despoil: Need to make sure the host is accurate, and install any special drivers for the VM system. |
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| 16:49.18 | architek | arghx: no such option. I don't think I really have one. But I'm not expert in this. |
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| 16:51.18 | arghx | architek: every i3 cpu in existence has a VGA chip inside. all of them |
| 16:51.29 | architek | hum I see reference on internal GPU on internet. whhhattt! :-) |
| 16:51.49 | architek | but no option. ok I'll investigate later, I gotta go shortly. thanks arghx |
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| 16:57.22 | hotwings | is there a list or flags of the debian packages that are "kept back" during an upgrade anywhere? or do you basically have to just capture the output of an apt-get upgrade and grep for "kept back" |
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| 16:58.23 | arghx | !tell hotwings about kept back |
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| 17:03.27 | hotwings | i see mention of safe-upgrade but i dont actually see anything about it in the apt-get manpages |
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| 17:04.21 | arghx | hotwings: then you need to look harder. it is there |
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| 17:04.36 | arghx | right between update and full-upgrade |
| 17:04.56 | hotwings | i dont see full-upgrade in apt-get manpages either |
| 17:05.11 | PerfDave | hotwings: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:05.22 | architek | arghx: I just checked, no option for this. actually the bios config is really small.. :( |
| 17:05.30 | architek | arghx: no option for internal GPU |
| 17:05.45 | hotwings | debian testing |
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| 17:06.06 | Iridos | yeah... actually squeeze apt-get manpage still calls it "upgrade" |
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| 17:06.27 | hotwings | apt-get upgrade is where i get the "kept back" message |
| 17:06.47 | stefuNz | hi. i just got a new i5 cpu and want to use the integrated graphics (for example to use xbmc, with 3d acceleration) ⦠what do i need to install to use this smoothly? |
| 17:06.54 | Dagger3 | you might have more luck finding safe/full-upgrade in the aptitude manpage, since those are aptitude commands... |
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| 17:07.35 | arghx | stefuNz: kernel and xorg from backports |
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| 17:07.48 | stefuNz | arghs: thanks :) |
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| 17:11.25 | acx0 | where's the best place to set your $PATH globally? If I change it in my .profile, it isn't set when I ssh into the system, and if I set it in my .bashrc, it's only available within a shell |
| 17:11.45 | hotwings | well, i guess aptitude safe-upgrade is what im looking for. thanks for the help fellas |
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| 17:11.51 | acx0 | and if I do both, I end up with repeat entries in $PATH |
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| 17:16.35 | architek | acx0: if you put it before the interactive check? |
| 17:16.42 | architek | in bashrc |
| 17:17.16 | tdn | I have a bunch of files that are named foo-N.jpg, where N is a number from 1..M, M being the total number of files. E.g. foo-1.jpg, foo-2.jpg, .., foo-117.jpg. I want to renamed these files to foo-NNNN, where NNNN is the number with up to four leading zeros. Is there an easy tool for this? Or can it be done using the shell? |
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| 17:17.32 | acx0 | architek, the interactive check is the first thing I have in my bashrc; what exactly is that for? |
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| 17:18.47 | architek | acx0: if not called interactivly, return. a shell is interactive, a command not |
| 17:19.35 | architek | acx0: so you'd need to do it before this. and take care with PATH=$PATH:bla otherwise in subshells, you'd get bla:bla etc .. |
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| 17:20.30 | architek | acx0: that's why I used to put it in .profile which is only called for login shells |
| 17:21.10 | architek | man bash, part INVOCATION |
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| 17:21.35 | acx0 | architek, so put all $PATH modifications before the interactive check? |
| 17:22.00 | architek | arghx: did you have something in mind about the IGP? re-enable it? I'll check on wintendo if catalyst allows me to change this, just curious |
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| 17:22.33 | arghx | architek: not a function of catalyst. but in devicemanage you would have 2 videocards showing |
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| 17:23.38 | mrdesk | I've got an issue where writing to USB flash works for the first group of files but eventually it fails and the file systme goes read only |
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| 17:24.03 | architek | arghx: ok, but if lspci doesn't show, I'm not sure it'll show. let me check.. |
| 17:24.08 | ompaul | mrdesk: does it happen with more than one stick |
| 17:24.08 | dym | Hey - im having trouble installing grub2 to a MDRaid System based on harddrives with GPT partition tables: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!. - Any idea on how to proceed here? |
| 17:24.36 | architek | acx0: yes. and ssh also mentions environment variables so you could use this but only for ssh access |
| 17:24.38 | mrdesk | ompaul: yes |
| 17:24.44 | architek | acx0: man ssh |
| 17:25.20 | mrdesk | let me pastebin my results for dmesg | tail |
| 17:25.34 | ompaul | mrdesk: pity, flash is not great it was telling me during the week it was working, however every time I copied a file to it, it got truncated, the only other issue I can think of is and some of the cp operation also might be useful |
| 17:25.52 | acx0 | architek, it seems settings $PATH before the interactive check isn't working; I'm getting repeats in subshells - or is that supposed to happen? |
| 17:26.02 | ompaul | md5sum ratted it out - different file lengths I got a new stick and all was good |
| 17:26.16 | mrdesk | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/QeRvSrUA |
| 17:26.56 | mrdesk | hmm thing is Im having the same problem with a number of flash drives / sd cards |
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| 17:29.35 | ompaul | mrdesk: outputs of df -h and mount please |
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| 17:37.02 | kerze | is there any kenel-linux for netbook in .deb? |
| 17:37.26 | rww | Why would netbooks have a separate kernel o.O? |
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| 17:37.49 | mrdesk | ompaul: i just hooked it up to a windows box to see if chkdsk does anything. ill show you df -h & mount in a minoot. |
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| 17:39.19 | kerze | re |
| 17:39.21 | kerze | rww: Debian run slowly on my netbook. Maybe if use kenel for netbook it will run faster |
| 17:39.27 | jonissss | cuber??? |
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| 17:39.45 | stefuNz | how to i install the squeeze-backports kernel ? |
| 17:39.51 | stefuNz | *how do i ... |
| 17:39.54 | rww | kerze: Debian runs slowly on your netbook because it's a netbook. |
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| 17:40.11 | arghx | kerze: no |
| 17:40.46 | arghx | kerze: check what part of your netbook runs slowly. cpu, lack of memory, vga, harddisk, what? |
| 17:40.50 | kerze | rww: is there any solution for this? |
| 17:41.09 | ompaul | kerze: a faster bigger machine |
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| 17:41.23 | ompaul | kerze: using a lighter desktop manager |
| 17:41.49 | ompaul | kerze: cheap fast light pick any two |
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| 17:42.19 | Pinchiukas | Hmm... which package on Debian contains smbpasswd? |
| 17:42.24 | kerze | ompaul:what's that? |
| 17:42.26 | kerze | I'm a newbe |
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| 17:42.51 | ompaul | kerze:you can have cheap with one of fast or light pick any two but you can't get the three |
| 17:42.56 | xuser | Pinchiukas: samba |
| 17:43.13 | Pinchiukas | xuser: seems it doesn't. :) |
| 17:43.16 | llutz | Pinchiukas: samba-common-bin: /usr/bin/smbpasswd |
| 17:43.23 | Pinchiukas | I have samba but I don't have smbpasswd. |
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| 17:44.07 | kerze | thanks I will try it. |
| 17:44.08 | Pinchiukas | Ah, samba-common-bin. |
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| 17:45.33 | xuser | samba-common-bin gets automatically installed by samba |
| 17:46.06 | majed | any one have link anime one piece torrent fils |
| 17:46.23 | Pinchiukas | Thanks llutz. |
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| 17:51.26 | Iridos | !tell PingJocky -about apt-file |
| 17:51.42 | Iridos | errr |
| 17:51.43 | Iridos | no! |
| 17:51.49 | Iridos | Pinch... gorn |
| 17:51.53 | Iridos | PingJocky, sorry :) |
| 17:51.55 | ompaul | it is a bot but I don't have tell ya ;-) |
| 17:52.08 | ompaul | crawls into a corner |
| 17:52.11 | Iridos | ompaul, no need to be rude to bots! |
| 17:52.12 | mrdesk | ompaul: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/usb-drive-becomes-read-only-again-and-again-603214/ |
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| 17:52.36 | ompaul | mrdesk: not really your pasting of what I asked for ;-) |
| 17:52.52 | mrdesk | ompaul: right, it's like 10% done with fsck |
| 17:53.07 | mrdesk | though it does posit a possible cause for my situation |
| 17:53.49 | ompaul | well if you use the word posit, I'd have to say you are being rhetorical (I'd at least hope so) |
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| 17:54.15 | Iridos | ompaul, I keep wondering what "runs slowly" means |
| 17:54.24 | Iridos | or more precisely "debian runs slowly" |
| 17:54.31 | Iridos | I never even notice debian run! |
| 17:54.32 | ompaul | Iridos: more than a jog, less than a sprint? |
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| 17:54.55 | hmstrutz | hi. im running debian 6.0 and got this video-card ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE). should I use the radeon driver or fglrx-module? is there any difference? |
| 17:55.00 | Iridos | I only notice programs and I know the kernel must run somewhere in the background, else there's be a problem with having programs run... |
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| 17:56.38 | Amarande | hmstrutz, actually I think you need to use the open source driver for that. I remember reading that the current fglrx only supports Radeons of the X1xxx series and the newer Radeon HD series, not the X300/X600/X800 or older cards |
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| 17:57.27 | hmstrutz | Amarande, under what name does that source-driver go? |
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| 17:59.17 | Amarande | "radeon" |
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| 18:12.30 | Iridos | hmstrutz, 3D acceleration still only works with fglrx, afaik. Have a look at the relevant factoids: /msg dpkg fglrx and /msg dpkg radeon and /msg dpkg radeonhd |
| 18:12.58 | Iridos | I run fglrx with dkms but it's been running so without problems through the last xorg update that I even forgot |
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| 18:15.12 | arghx | Iridos: for any radeon before x1xxx, only the radeon drievr works. fglrx has stopped supporting those years ago |
| 18:15.47 | Iridos | oh, all right |
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| 18:16.25 | Iridos | I always used to have nvidia, so ati versioning is a bit of a closed book to me |
| 18:16.37 | ltsampros | heh |
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| 18:16.48 | ltsampros | ati versioning always looked weird to me... |
| 18:17.30 | ltsampros | and now that you are on gfx drivers, has anyone tried to install nvidia drivers 285.05 on wheezy ? |
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| 18:19.37 | Amarande | I've flipflopped a few times between ATI and nVidia over the years. Settled on nVidia eventually, as my last ATI phase was during a rather crappy driver period |
| 18:20.13 | Amarande | The Linux driver would always cause a kernel panic when logging out or switching users in X, and the Windows driver wasn't very good either (indeed, it was badly coded enough for at least one major AV to claim the Catalyst Control Centre was a keylogger) |
| 18:21.36 | dmbaturin | Amarande: I used to use ATI for some time several years ago. Now I prefer to think it was a bad dream. :-) |
| 18:22.03 | Iridos | actually, nvidia versioning has also always been a bit of a closed book to me.. I just made sure to have the same version number, weird as it was, for the kernel module and the userland |
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| 18:22.27 | Amarande | dmbaturin, did you have issues with kernel panic from fglrx also? |
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| 18:23.23 | Amarande | Iridos: that's actually what the "kernel-source" package is for, if I remember. since the driver itself is a binary blob, the "kernel source" package exists to compile a compatible kernel module bridge between the blob and the kernel ... at least that's what I think it does, anyway |
| 18:23.32 | dmbaturin | Amarande: It was back in 2006-7 and I don't remember too much of the details. But I don't seem to recall I had something like that. |
| 18:23.51 | Amarande | otherwise, people wouldn't be able to upgrade their kernel or use a version other than the one the binary driver was made for |
| 18:24.18 | Amarande | dmbaturin: yeah, that's one thing that made me lose faith in ATI, actually |
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| 18:25.04 | Amarande | a *lot* of users had that bug (and for some reason, it was at least to some degree system dependent, as it seems not everyone did - which, I suppose, is how it was able to be released with that glaring of a bug in it to begin with, the ATI testbed boxen must not have exhibited it ...) |
| 18:25.30 | Amarande | but, the bug was actually left in for at least part of at least three distinct and separate major versions of Catalyst |
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| 18:30.12 | somiaj | Amarande: you only need the linux-headers package to compile a module against a debian kernel. linux-source is if you want to compile your own kernel |
| 18:31.13 | Amarande | somiaj: I was speaking of the "kernel source" that's associated specifically with the binary proprietary nVidia and ATI drivers |
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| 18:31.29 | Amarande | I *think* that exists to allow the binary driver to work with whatever version of the kernel? |
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| 18:32.17 | baccenfutter | I have a RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter, have install firmware-realtek, have modprobe'd r8188, no errors at all, bus still wlan0 is not listed unter `ifconfig -a`. what have I missed? |
| 18:32.28 | baccenfutter | s/bus/but/ |
| 18:33.00 | baccenfutter | fresh debian squeeze |
| 18:33.03 | somiaj | Amarande: I'm saying you just need the linux-headers package to compile the binary blob against a given debian kernel. |
| 18:33.18 | somiaj | Amarande: the source is if you want to compile your own kernel. Slightly different sittutation. |
| 18:33.51 | somiaj | baccenfutter: check 'dmesg' see if there is any firmware loading errors |
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| 18:34.06 | somiaj | baccenfutter: have your rmmod / modprobe the module after installing the firmware? |
| 18:34.35 | baccenfutter | somiaj: I have even rebooted |
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| 18:37.06 | somiaj | baccenfutter: well check demsg, there should be info about your wireless card if it was detected/loaded. |
| 18:38.14 | baccenfutter | somiaj: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/umpXcgFmJG5SYGXOlGjS/ |
| 18:39.01 | somiaj | baccenfutter: really need more than just a snipit. |
| 18:39.23 | baccenfutter | somiaj: that is all there is in dmesg |
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| 18:40.38 | baccenfutter | somiaj: this is the relevant `lspci` output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/lvDPEJdBwHEU4IjYkjap/ |
| 18:40.44 | somiaj | baccenfutter: well I have the RTL8188CE card as well and it uses the rtl8192ce driver |
| 18:41.04 | somiaj | baccenfutter: please give the full output of dmesg, the card you show is only your wired one |
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| 18:42.15 | somiaj | also what kernel do you have, that driver is only available in newer kernels (Squeeze's default is a bit old for that driver) |
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| 18:44.25 | baccenfutter | somiaj: I did `aptitude install firmware-realtek` and expected it to pick the correct driver itself. here is full dmesg: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/4SSpSUVvfjNqbnudPxvi/ |
| 18:45.52 | baccenfutter | somiaj: so it should do better if I just `sed -i 's/squeeze/testing/g /etc/apt/sources.list`? |
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| 18:47.02 | Shamu1001 | can anyone point me to a channel where i can discuss some specifics of posix (non-distro specific) programming? |
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| 18:48.30 | somiaj | baccenfutter: do not mix testing and stable. Install the 2.6.39 kernel from backports |
| 18:48.43 | somiaj | baccenfutter: that should be new enough to have a module for the card you want. |
| 18:49.02 | somiaj | baccenfutter: the firmware package just installs the firmware, the driver is a part of the kernel. |
| 18:49.43 | baccenfutter | ah! |
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| 18:55.09 | baccenfutter | somiaj: anything I need to do after `aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-patch-debian-2.6.39`? |
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| 18:56.42 | somiaj | install the actual kernel |
| 18:56.45 | somiaj | don't install the patches |
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| 18:58.56 | baccenfutter | somiaj: what is the package name? linux-patch-debian-2.6.39 was the only thing I found, that sounded somewaht senseful. |
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| 19:03.16 | dad | ah! hear be peeples! |
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| 19:04.19 | dad | trying to update , and apt-get complains release file expired, and quits. any help??? |
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| 19:08.39 | arvind_khadri | dad, for which repo? |
| 19:09.07 | arvind_khadri | thinks its backports |
| 19:10.05 | baccenfutter | somiaj: ok. it does show up in `ifconfig -a` now, but I cannot ifup it, nor can I scan for APs. |
| 19:10.45 | architek | if its for snapshot: aptitude -o 'Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false' update |
| 19:10.51 | architek | dad: ^ |
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| 19:11.19 | ompaul | dad: you could pastebin it paste.debian.net |
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| 19:11.40 | piconano | hei |
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| 19:15.46 | somiaj | baccenfutter: ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 19:16.05 | somiaj | baccenfutter: my guess is your missing the firmware, check 'dmesg' and make sure the firmware loaded. |
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| 19:16.44 | somiaj | baccenfutter: package names are linux-image-2.6.39 (in case you didn't figure it out, but sounds like you did) |
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| 19:17.38 | baccenfutter | somiaj: I found "rtl8192cu: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin" in dmesg |
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| 19:18.03 | baccenfutter | rtl8192cu: Firmware loading failed |
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| 19:18.55 | somiaj | yea your missing the firmware, you'll need a newer firmware package |
| 19:18.56 | baccenfutter | I reinstalled the firmware-realtek, but still... I even rmmod and modprobe'd, but again still not coming up |
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| 19:19.31 | baccenfutter | I only have one hit on `aptitdue search realtek` |
| 19:19.36 | somiaj | baccenfutter: make sure you install it from from backports with a -t squeeze-backports |
| 19:19.47 | ompaul | !tell baccenfutter about what's my wireless |
| 19:19.47 | baccenfutter | argh, you're right. |
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| 19:20.36 | somiaj | also you don't need to reboot, just 'rmmod' and 'modprobe' the driver. |
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| 19:26.53 | baccenfutter | somiaj: thank you so very much. |
| 19:26.53 | iateadonut | if my wireless home network is open, but the login for the routers/repeaters are not the default, my data is pretty secure? (providing i don't 'share' folders and the such?) |
| 19:26.56 | dad | omph! sry was afk for a min. |
| 19:27.12 | baccenfutter | somiaj: you have saved me at least 2-3 years of lifetime. |
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| 19:28.55 | dad | it's squeeze. on another machine. says release file expired. |
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| 19:30.28 | dad | ignoring http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 35d 23h 16min 21s) |
| 19:30.53 | ompaul | cos kernel.org is not a good mirror |
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| 19:31.02 | dad | K |
| 19:31.03 | ompaul | use cdn.debian.org |
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| 19:31.30 | dad | ok, will try that. |
| 19:31.34 | dad | thanx |
| 19:31.39 | ompaul | dad: the file you want to edit is /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:33.24 | dad | got it. |
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| 19:40.56 | dad | ompaul! Thanks a bunch! |
| 19:41.25 | ompaul | dad: glad it worked |
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| 19:42.24 | dad | oh, i get a couple errors, but nothing serious |
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| 19:43.22 | ompaul | dad: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:43.35 | ompaul | ipaste your sources for the fun of it |
| 19:43.41 | dad | no. still erroring. is it http://cdn.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates |
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| 19:44.23 | ompaul | dad: paste your sources into http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:44.47 | dad | hmmmm leme see if i can. |
| 19:44.51 | ompaul | dad: sorry .net not org |
| 19:45.02 | ompaul | dad: .org is the web site |
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| 19:45.42 | dad | ah! |
| 19:46.03 | dad | then i'll change, n retry. no problem. |
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| 19:48.34 | factor | Whre can I get the nightly version of silverlight, the main site does not seems to have it |
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| 19:51.35 | somiaj | what are you talking about factor? I haven't seen silverlight for linux, much less debian. Are you talking about moonlight? |
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| 19:52.26 | factor | correct |
| 19:52.39 | factor | somiaj, ^ |
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| 19:53.24 | somiaj | well I don't see moonlight in debian either. I am unsure how the mainstream is setup, but can you get the current cvs/git/svn from them? |
| 19:53.32 | somiaj | but this doesn't seem to be a #debian issue |
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| 19:54.39 | dad | is http.us.debian.org also a bad url? |
| 19:55.12 | somiaj | dad: bad in what sense? |
| 19:56.13 | dad | err http://http.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Sources |
| 19:56.26 | dad | err from apt-get update |
| 19:56.42 | somiaj | yea its should be valid for your sources. apt-get update give any errors? |
| 19:56.51 | dad | that was 404 not found |
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| 19:57.25 | ompaul | dad: can you please pastebin all your sources |
| 19:58.05 | dad | K will try |
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| 20:11.21 | bladedpenguin | Hello |
| 20:12.02 | bladedpenguin | I just upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze |
| 20:12.29 | bladedpenguin | and something seems wrong with my USB/serial interface |
| 20:12.59 | bladedpenguin | I keep having to adjust the permissions so I can use it |
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| 20:13.32 | bladedpenguin | Specifically I'm trying to connect to an arduino mega |
| 20:13.38 | Amarande | Why do I always have this thought that someone, somewhere, when lenny was current must have made themselves a custom distro based on it and called it carl? :) |
| 20:13.47 | dad | ok, sources.list is in paste |
| 20:14.42 | dad | http://paste.debian.net/136841 |
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| 20:16.57 | bladedpenguin | How do I get /dev/ttyACM0 comes up with usable permissions whenever I plug this board in? |
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| 20:18.38 | dad | eh, i'll work on it a bit later. |
| 20:19.58 | cahoot | bladedpenguin, IIRC you could use udev -monitor (or such) when connecting to see what udev rule manages the perms |
| 20:20.31 | cahoot | udevadm -monitor (possibly) |
| 20:20.35 | bladedpenguin | Thanks for the tip. I'll try that |
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| 20:23.15 | bladedpenguin | googles udev rules |
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| 20:24.27 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/493036/ how do I fix my alsa? |
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| 20:25.16 | tharkun | I am looking for a css framework available on debian, what is the syntax for aptitude, or where can i find it? |
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| 20:27.20 | ompaul | dad: your sources should look like this http://paste.debian.net/136848/ |
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| 20:30.42 | tharkun | what package holds the "aptitude reference manual" which is referenced on man aptitude? |
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| 20:33.15 | jeeger | Greetings! I just restored a backup of my old debian system. I got it to boot mostly successfully. However, when booting, there are many complaints that the /run directory is not found and does not exist. I created it, but I still get many errors. What is the /run directory, and how can I create it again? |
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| 20:34.04 | tharkun | Nice, the only doc that has a bit of info has a circular reference between file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html and file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/rn01re01.html |
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| 20:35.40 | dajhorn | jeeger: Do you mean /var/run? This directory is like a /tmp area for daemons and system services, for things like pid files. |
| 20:36.24 | jeeger | dajhorn: nope, /run. It was just mounted as a tmpfs, I see now. I have no idea what uses it, though. |
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| 20:37.33 | dajhorn | jeeger: On recent systems /var/run is linked to /run, and it doesn't need to be in the fstab. |
| 20:37.42 | dajhorn | jeeger: Run `mount`. You should see a line like this: tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755) |
| 20:39.12 | jeeger | dajhorn: Yeah, thanks. It works now. |
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| 20:39.49 | dajhorn | jeeger: Okay, welcome. |
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| 20:44.14 | homekevin | Is it ever necessary to rebuild a kernel module for a kernel update in stable? |
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| 20:44.26 | homekevin | Or is the kernel ABI always the same? |
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| 20:44.29 | krackpot | Anyone know how to check if there's an FTP server daemon is running? I'm not even sure what could be installed. (I'm on Squeeze) |
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| 20:44.46 | dym | krackpot: netstat -ap |grep 21 |
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| 20:44.51 | boudiccas | krackpot; use 'top' to see |
| 20:44.54 | dym | krackpot: dpkg -l |grep ftp |
| 20:45.22 | jeeger | homekevin: I know that the kernel ABI is actually not stable, but I don't know if it can change between minor versions (i.e. 2.6.36.x/y). I guess yes, though. |
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| 20:45.48 | krackpot | I did the dpkg line and it says Pure-FTPd. Is that a good and secure one? |
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| 20:45.54 | krackpot | Thanks for the help :) |
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| 20:46.10 | homekevin | Secure is kind of relative with ftp |
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| 20:46.17 | boudiccas | krackpot; yw |
| 20:46.24 | krackpot | Should I be concerned with using SFTP? |
| 20:46.46 | boudiccas | krackpot; its your machine, you run what you like |
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| 20:47.02 | homekevin | I think sftp is ssh, which is generally very reliable |
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| 20:49.33 | krackpot | Ok thanks. I'll read up more on it |
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| 20:53.33 | karlpinc | krackpot: If you _must_ have a ftp server I prefer vsftpd. If you can avoid ftp entirely and use ssh/scp/sftp. |
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| 20:56.12 | homekevin | There's not much reason to use FTP unless you want to share files with the world |
| 20:56.37 | karlpinc | homekevin: And http will do that too. |
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| 20:57.37 | kruz | Hello. I was running World of Warcraft through wine and it was working normally for a few weeks. Now I am finding I can't connect. The only thing that looks like an error other than the Alsa error is INTERNET_OPTION_SEND/RECEIVE_TIMEOUT. does anyone know a fix for this or if this could be the cause? I've been googling to no avail and #winehq isn't responding |
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| 20:58.51 | homekevin | I don't know, kruz. Could be a lot of things. |
| 20:59.11 | homekevin | Are you sure the server you are connecting to is up and responding from your IP? |
| 20:59.16 | Amarande | Kruz, you can't connect at all or you get disconnected unexpectedly? |
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| 21:00.15 | homekevin | Server problem, firewall blocking, wine problem, etc. |
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| 21:00.26 | kruz | thanks for answering. I can't connect at all. I dropped all rules from iptables and wine connects fine using putty. I had added an accept rule to iptables. |
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| 21:00.37 | homekevin | Although a timeout suggests networking, not wine |
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| 21:00.55 | Amarande | has there been a WoW patch recently? (haven't played the game myself since late January) |
| 21:01.18 | kruz | Amarande, I thought there was because I was unable to connect. But I rebooted into Windows and ran the same install, and it didn't update and connected normally |
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| 21:01.29 | Newmoni | Is it correct to write AN before California? "An California blonde"? |
| 21:01.44 | homekevin | Newmoni: No. No it's not. |
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| 21:02.01 | kruz | In "American English" you use AN before anything that sounds like a vowel. Ex: I got an F <~ ef |
| 21:02.04 | qop_away | !potato |
| 21:02.04 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. Get old potato ISOs here: http://mirror.klabs.be/debian-cd/potato/2.2_rev7/iso/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 21:02.05 | Newmoni | - An California Blonde - who has discovered uncircumcised men (after wasting 26 years on circ'ed men) and will never go back!"" |
| 21:02.08 | Newmoni | - An California Blonde - who has discovered uncircumcised men (after wasting 26 years on circ'ed men) and will never go back!"" |
| 21:02.10 | Newmoni | Ooops. |
| 21:02.11 | boudiccas | Newmoni; OT |
| 21:02.17 | Newmoni | See that? She wrote An California. |
| 21:02.19 | Newmoni | I wonder why. |
| 21:02.49 | homekevin | The keys are like right next to each other |
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| 21:03.52 | Newmoni | Must be a typo because the rest of what she wrote was well-written. |
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| 21:06.08 | kruz | I've been driving myself insane looking through my history trying to see if I could have done anything to break this. I only changed some stuff with Alsa and added a single accept rule. from the time it was working to the time it wasn't. I hate booting into Windows, the only reason I kept it as dual boot was for steam /: I hate to think I have to reinstall debian cause I can't figure out this dumb wine WoW thing. |
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| 21:08.16 | dym | Hey - im having trouble installing grub2 to a MDRaid System based on harddrives with GPT partition tables: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!. - Any idea on how to proceed here? |
| 21:09.31 | homekevin | kruz: It's fairly technical, but you might try using tcpdump to capture your network traffic and inspect it for hints. |
| 21:10.02 | kruz | homekevin, I don't think it's even trying to connect because the error is returned instantly. But I can try that |
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| 21:10.27 | homekevin | kruz: something like tcpdump -s0 -w dump -i eth0 |
| 21:10.30 | homekevin | (as root) |
| 21:10.40 | homekevin | which would save the traffic to the file 'dump' |
| 21:10.49 | homekevin | Which can then be examined in Wireshark |
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| 21:11.28 | homekevin | I don't know why you'd get a timeout without even trying to connect, though. |
| 21:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Don't feed the trolls. |
| 21:11.37 | homekevin | Unless that error is a complete red herring |
| 21:12.04 | kruz | the error occurs on startup of the game. afaik, blizzard connects to get news that shows on the screen on the left side before you login. I believe that's why I'm getting the timeout errors before connecting |
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| 21:13.12 | kruz | the real frustrating thing is that I do Linux Administration... /: so I'm fixing servers all day at work, I don't want to mess with mine when I get home. I want to relax |
| 21:13.55 | Amarande | kruz: well, in that respect, you're better off running Linux than Windows :) |
| 21:13.58 | jhutchins_lt | kruz: That's the price we pay. |
| 21:14.02 | kruz | Thanks for the idea homekevin, I'll try that later when I get motivated to look through more log files. I'll want to shut down irc and everything else that will cause traffic on eth0 so I won't have any other data |
| 21:14.19 | jhutchins_lt | kruz: I would think there might be hints in the wow forums. |
| 21:15.06 | homekevin | Yeah, I'd rather spend my time fixing Linux problems than Window problems. |
| 21:15.07 | kruz | jhutchins_lt, (: it's a great price for such an AWESOME OS. and i've checked Wow Forums, winehq, google like crazy. every post I can find. everyone else's problem is usually firewall related. unfortunately, I've flushed and removed any trace of IPTABLES that I could find /: |
| 21:15.47 | jhutchins_lt | kruz: Does wow have a linux/wine users forum? |
| 21:15.52 | boudiccas | krushik; so you're running without a firewall? very insecure! |
| 21:16.07 | kruz | boudiccas, /etc/hosts.deny (: |
| 21:16.14 | boudiccas | kruz; so you're running without a firewall? very insecure! |
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| 21:17.51 | Newmoni | "I don't know what to do with a circumcised penis. Nothing moves. It's weird. It seems like cut men like a lot of friction rather than smooth pressure. It's abrasive. I never saw a cut penis until I went to Grad school in the US and I'll be quite happy if I never see another. Really twisted behavior to do that to another person." |
| 21:17.53 | kruz | jhutchins_lt, I'm not sure if blizzard does. but I know they don't support it, since I worked for Blizzard for a short time. |
| 21:18.13 | bazhang | Newmoni, stop that |
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| 21:18.23 | bladedpenguin | Ok I'm learning about udev rules.... |
| 21:18.26 | kruz | Newmoni, #debian-offtopic |
| 21:18.55 | bladedpenguin | butbut I can't find the specific rule for my usb device |
| 21:19.03 | kruz | thanks everyone. |
| 21:19.25 | bladedpenguin | I do have udevadm -monitor output |
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| 21:19.54 | bladedpenguin | which I was able to use to find udevadm info |
| 21:20.20 | bladedpenguin | but I can't seem to relate that to file in /etc/udev/rules.d |
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| 21:21.24 | bladedpenguin | I did fifure out that once I find the file I can add MODE="0666" to the line to make it accessible |
| 21:21.38 | bladedpenguin | s/fifure/figure/ |
| 21:22.21 | bladedpenguin | So how do I find the udev rule that is applied when I plug that usb device in? |
| 21:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | !ops Newmon is trolling |
| 21:22.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jhutchins_lt complains about: Newmon is trolling |
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| 21:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | bladedpenguin: dmesg should report it. |
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| 21:27.46 | bladedpenguin | I've got a bunch of related stuff in dmesg,, but I can't seem to pick out the file that has the rule in it |
| 21:27.55 | bladedpenguin | http://pastebin.com/kjce2Ry0 |
| 21:29.06 | bladedpenguin | This is the part of dmesg that seemed to be repeating at the end, as well as the udevadm info |
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| 21:35.06 | Ironhand | is there a way in the debian installer's partitioner to create filesystems directly on a raw block device, rather than partitioning it first? say, installing on /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 |
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| 21:35.23 | mattp_ | so i upgraded from stable to testing |
| 21:35.29 | mattp_ | and it completely broke my system |
| 21:35.30 | mattp_ | what now :/ |
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| 21:35.38 | Ironhand | (mainly interested in this for virtual machines where the block device is actually an LVM LV on the physical host) |
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| 21:36.19 | peterS | Ironhand: not usually a very good thing to do. too easy to confuse software that is looking for a partition table on any given block device that looks like a disk |
| 21:36.22 | Aleo | hi all |
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| 21:37.11 | peterS | Ironhand: anyway, if you hit alt-f2 you can probably 'mke2fs' your device, then alt-f1 back into the installer and get it to refresh its view and, who knows, maybe it'll get the point |
| 21:37.27 | peterS | by mke2fs I mean include whatever mkfs flags you normally would |
| 21:37.32 | peterS | notably -j |
| 21:37.53 | Ironhand | peterS: thanks, I do share the concern about possible confusion, probably something to think about more |
| 21:38.23 | Ironhand | downside to creating a partition table is that it becomes much more complicated to mount the same block device from the physical host when it becomes needed |
| 21:38.38 | peterS | Ironhand: I assume the reasoning here is that you want your LV to be mountable from the host as well, if need be? |
| 21:38.45 | Ironhand | correct |
| 21:38.47 | peterS | heh, our lines crossed there |
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| 21:39.08 | Ironhand | it's still possible, losetup --offset=X where I get X from fdisk, it's just a pain |
| 21:39.11 | cardamon | okaly dokaly |
| 21:39.47 | peterS | well, with Xen (at least back in lenny, I haven't used xen much in squeeze), the guest kernel would actually think the partitions it is given are sda1, sda2, whatever |
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| 21:41.03 | Ironhand | you mean a specific block device from the physical host would show up as a partition rather than a full drive? |
| 21:41.37 | Ironhand | (I use Xen on lenny on a particular system and it just ends up with the block devices as /dev/xvda with partitions as xvda1, etc) |
| 21:41.38 | peterS | Ironhand: yeah. in the xen config you tell it /dev/vg0/foobar-root is supposed to be sda1 on foobar, and when the guest boots up, it sees sda1 with no corresponding sda |
| 21:41.55 | Ironhand | but that does sound like something rather interesting to investigate - thanks for the tip |
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| 21:42.20 | peterS | I'm not sure how debian-installer reacts to this, though. the one place I've seen this used, we install via debootstrap from the host |
| 21:42.21 | Ironhand | I do intend to migrate everything to KVM on squeeze but it's likely KVM might have something similar, then |
| 21:42.37 | peterS | so, we didn't use debian-installer at all |
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| 21:43.23 | robin_sz | raises an eyebrow at some random Ocelot |
| 21:43.34 | Ironhand | I should probably get used to just using debootstrap as well... I just recall it being a pain w.r.t. installing a bootloader and such, making grub behave the right way |
| 21:43.58 | cardamon | I've got a few issues. Trying to get the installer working on my brand new machine, with it's brand new wireless card and its complete lack of a supported module in Squeeze. |
| 21:44.25 | peterS | Ironhand: well, with xen, you don't necessarily use a bootloader anyway (at least with the setup I was talking about) - the kernel + initrd live on the host, not the guest, though the guest needs the corresponding modules |
| 21:44.30 | cardamon | ...sigh...the installer just hangs at network detection...I think I need a liveCD |
| 21:44.51 | peterS | I understand most people _do_ use some bootloader with xen these days - don't know the details |
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| 21:45.28 | Ironhand | peterS: hmmm, my current VM's have the kernel+initrd inside the guest, and PyGrub is used to "call" grub inside the VM's FS (probably not an entirely accurate description) |
| 21:45.42 | Amarande | cardamon, is it an option to obtain and install a wired ethernet card, at least for the installation? (or does the motherboard have onboard wired ethernet you can use?) |
| 21:45.49 | peterS | yeah, i've heard that's the more common method nowadays. I just haven't tried it. |
| 21:45.56 | Ironhand | having the kernel outside the guest sounds like it might make kernel upgrades a bit cumbersome though |
| 21:46.56 | Ironhand | anyway, going afk - bye & thanks for the tip about the guest partitions, sounds like something useful for me to look into |
| 21:47.04 | peterS | Ironhand: well, it does mean you install the same kernel image on the guest and on the host. so yes, it's a bit more cumbersome. but if you were planning to run that kernel on the host _anyway_, it isn't a great difference |
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| 21:52.00 | cardamon | Amarande: It has it. I cannot use it due to physical constraints. |
| 21:52.22 | cardamon | Is there liveCD that runs Testing? |
| 21:52.54 | cardamon | A way to boot to and install Wheezy without passing over Sid? |
| 21:53.13 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.30 | Iridos | I've heard people pass over sid... but they had had a weak heart anyway |
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| 21:53.58 | cardamon | It's this one http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, right? |
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| 21:54.16 | cardamon | Iridos: s/Sid/Squeeze/ |
| 21:54.28 | cardamon | Sorry, I got distracted and mixed up words. |
| 21:54.43 | Iridos | good example how those small details can sometimes matter... |
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| 21:56.32 | Iridos | dpkg, testing netinst |
| 21:56.32 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high, ask me about <today>. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
| 21:56.56 | Iridos | cardamon, if you want testing because of hardware support "/msg dpkg kmuto" instead |
| 21:56.59 | cardamon | dpkg, testing today |
| 21:56.59 | dpkg | wish i knew, cardamon |
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| 21:57.36 | cardamon | The issue's with the RaLink driver. |
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| 21:59.50 | Iridos | cardamon, well... depends... check from which kernel version on it should be supported. Since squeeze firmware has been removed from debian for being non-free and I would guess that's the other very likely source of your problem... |
| 21:59.53 | Iridos | dpkg, firmware images |
| 21:59.53 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 22:02.24 | Amarande | Whatever happened to the days when firmware was actually on the device itself, rather than needing to be loaded from the host machine every boot? :S |
| 22:02.35 | Iridos | I wondered about that, too |
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| 22:02.52 | Amarande | if it's not on the device, is it really even "firmware"? |
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| 22:03.06 | Iridos | I mean... why's it called firmware anyway, if it's not "firm" on the "'ware" anymore? |
| 22:03.10 | Iridos | hehe |
| 22:03.13 | Iridos | two idiots, one thought |
| 22:03.22 | Iridos | err, of course I meant "great minds think alike" |
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| 22:05.24 | syslq | When updating debian server should I use apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade, I know the basic difference but I'm unsure how possible is for dist-upgrade, which is more liberal, to fail? |
| 22:05.25 | rickmx75 | Help... I tried to upgrade KDE and got broken packages :( |
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| 22:05.41 | Iridos | Amarande, I don't even understand why they do that... eeproms aren't so expensive, are they? |
| 22:06.18 | ironhalik | Ive got a quick question? Shoild I go with 32 bit or 64 bit squeeze on a 128 mb VPS? |
| 22:06.19 | Iridos | syslq, if you know the basic difference you don't need to ask :) (and it depends on what you want to do) |
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| 22:08.05 | syslq | Iridos: the basic difference is that upgrade will never remove packages on which upgraded sw is dependent and dist-upgrade will, fcourse dist-upgrade will give me more complete update experience but I still dont know what is recommended practice for production serverS? |
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| 22:09.48 | rickmx75 | Please help - I tried to upgrade KDE and got an error with kdelibs5-plugins, and I don't know how to restore my system as it was :( |
| 22:10.42 | Iridos | syslq, why don't you do a upgrade (or now called safe-upgrade with aptitude) first, then start the upgrade and have a bit of a closer look on the operations that prevented it from being part of the safe-upgrade? |
| 22:10.53 | ompaul | rickmx75: there is no downgrade, so I suggest you dist-upgrade until it works |
| 22:10.55 | Bushmills | ,versions kdelibs5-plugins |
| 22:10.55 | judd | Package: kdelibs5-plugins on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2+squeeze3; sid: 4:4.6.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-2 |
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| 22:11.51 | Bushmills | update from where? lenny to squeeze? |
| 22:11.56 | syslq | Iridos: you recommend using aptitude? |
| 22:12.20 | syslq | Iridos: that's good advice thanks |
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| 22:13.54 | rickmx75 | i was using "testing", so I tried to upgrade to the latest - then got a conflict, so i tried to downgrade, and things got ugly |
| 22:14.13 | ompaul | !downgrade |
| 22:14.13 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 22:14.15 | Iridos | syslq, aptitude has the better dependency resolution and it's generally recommended (althouh I myself still prefer apt-get)... |
| 22:14.30 | rickmx75 | so a dist-upgrade should solve it? |
| 22:14.36 | syslq | Iridos: thanks |
| 22:14.44 | ompaul | rickmx75: it should get the box back to a state of SID |
| 22:14.55 | syslq | Iridos: guess aptitude lost some charm with introduction of autoremove switch :) |
| 22:14.56 | ompaul | rickmx75: please pastebin your sources |
| 22:15.08 | syslq | to apt-get I mean |
| 22:15.23 | rickmx75 | so far i get everything from "testing". What should my sources be? |
| 22:15.33 | Bushmills | or try again in a week or two. |
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| 22:16.08 | cardamon | If the installer hangs and I just get a blue screen with a grey bar at the bottom, anyway to see what the problem is? |
| 22:16.09 | Amarande | just remember whenever you hose your system to at least take to heart the lessons learned from how you hosed it. |
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| 22:18.35 | Iridos | syslq, apt-get honors that now, too (if that's what you mean) ... but I generally feel that apt-get kind of sticks more to the KISS-rule :P ... admittedly, aptitude often has a better chance at solving non-trivial dependency problems |
| 22:18.59 | ompaul | rickmx75: I have no idea, did you move from squeeze to testing from testing to sid or what? |
| 22:19.37 | rickmx75 | from squeeze to testing |
| 22:19.56 | ompaul | rickmx75: did you do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:20.02 | rickmx75 | Doing it right now... |
| 22:20.07 | cardamon | Anyone? |
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| 22:20.18 | rickmx75 | on sid - should I stop and do it with squeeze? |
| 22:20.31 | Amarande | you can't go from testing to squeeze. the only hope is to forge further ahead into sid. |
| 22:20.34 | Amarande | (or reinstall your machine, anyway) |
| 22:20.36 | ompaul | rickmx75: no, and you don't make sense |
| 22:20.40 | rickmx75 | oops |
| 22:20.58 | ompaul | rickmx75 squeeze -> testing -> sid |
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| 22:21.14 | ompaul | that is the way you can go none other is supported |
| 22:21.17 | rickmx75 | ompaul: Ok, dist-upgrading from sid |
| 22:21.22 | rickmx75 | it'll take 6 hours... I hope |
| 22:21.23 | ompaul | to sid |
| 22:21.28 | rickmx75 | er i mean to sid |
| 22:21.35 | ompaul | right so have fun |
| 22:21.39 | rickmx75 | :( |
| 22:21.47 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 22:21.48 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 22:23.07 | rickmx75 | maybe I should reinstall from my dvd version and upgrade to squeeze |
| 22:23.28 | Bushmills | why not start with squeeze straight away? |
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| 22:23.45 | rickmx75 | my dvd is from lenny :'( |
| 22:23.46 | Bushmills | !squeeze |
| 22:23.46 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.3>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 22:24.29 | Bushmills | rickmx75: i can sell you a squeeze dvd image |
| 22:24.54 | rickmx75 | bushmills: Unless you happen to live in Mexico City, I doubt that'll work |
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| 22:25.09 | rickmx75 | otherwise i'd be happy to buy it |
| 22:25.28 | Bushmills | sure it will, i'll post you the URL after your payment was received |
| 22:25.37 | htoothrot | heh.. |
| 22:25.40 | rickmx75 | >.< |
| 22:25.53 | htoothrot | why are you stuck installing from physical media? |
| 22:26.12 | rickmx75 | because I have a slow-as-snails broadband |
| 22:26.29 | htoothrot | how slow is it? |
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| 22:26.47 | Bushmills | so why would upgrading lenny to squeeze be preferable? |
| 22:26.48 | rickmx75 | 40K/sec max |
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| 22:27.12 | htoothrot | you do the net installer, that would at least minimize what's transferred |
| 22:27.14 | rickmx75 | i need some modern packages, and KDE 4.x |
| 22:27.46 | rickmx75 | um, I'm running from a shell, how do i do net install? |
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| 22:28.08 | Bushmills | you have strange needs. most people need air, food, water, sleep, protective clothing and a stimulating social environment. |
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| 22:28.34 | rickmx75 | I appreciate the humor, but I'm not in the mood. |
| 22:29.12 | robin_sz | puzzles over why the gcalctool doesnt seem to be able to do sums correctly |
| 22:29.27 | htoothrot | rickmx75, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 22:29.35 | htoothrot | oh wait |
| 22:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | rickmx75: Usually, if you already have a shell, you use debbootstrap. |
| 22:30.09 | jhutchins_lt | rickmx75: What OS/Distro is the shell? |
| 22:30.27 | Amarande | robin: you need to upgrade your Pentium? |
| 22:30.42 | Bushmills | broken sid atm, it seems |
| 22:30.45 | jhutchins_lt | rickmx75: Telmex broadband, eh? |
| 22:30.51 | htoothrot | rickmx75, i meant http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 22:31.16 | robin_sz | Amarande, no .. solved it .. for some stupid reason their "scientific" calculator variant uses degrees instead of rads |
| 22:31.26 | syslq | Bushmills: rofl on needs :) |
| 22:31.58 | htoothrot | the businesscard version is 20-50mb |
| 22:32.30 | Bushmills | !debootstrap |
| 22:32.30 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 22:36.46 | rickmx75 | jhutchins_lt: I'm on bash |
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| 22:39.24 | Bushmills | on a former lenny installation upgraded to sid, and broken when attempting to downgrade to wheezy? |
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| 22:55.07 | Devastator | Bushmills you can't currently downgrade |
| 22:56.09 | Devastator | oh sorry, i wasn't following the whole conversation |
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| 23:00.20 | jaakkos | I wonder why I'm getting "This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition ..." on many debian testing installations, installed initially in the spring with grub2 and gpt |
| 23:00.29 | jaakkos | (when I'm doing system updates) |
| 23:00.50 | jaakkos | ("Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged") |
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| 23:01.24 | jaakkos | still "Installation finished. No error reported.". i wonder if i should be worried? |
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| 23:04.11 | veryhappy | hi, i want to setup an vdr with debian, but i don´t find hotplug in my howto, btw i use debian-2.6-amd64 thanks |
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| 23:04.55 | veryhappy | apt-get install hotplug brings no candidates |
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| 23:08.17 | karlpinc | !tell veryhappy about hotplug |
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| 23:09.21 | karlpinc | !tell veryhappy about overview |
| 23:11.07 | veryhappy | thank you, so i should reinstall debian to 32 bit version? |
| 23:11.29 | homekevin | veryhappy: I don't see what that would do for you |
| 23:11.45 | veryhappy | i just need hotplug |
| 23:11.57 | homekevin | It's not in debian |
| 23:11.59 | veryhappy | because its written in my howto for installing vdr and setting it up |
| 23:12.17 | homekevin | It's superseded by udev |
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| 23:12.48 | veryhappy | hmmm |
| 23:12.48 | homekevin | If you *really* need it, you can get the source from the hotplug web site and build it. |
| 23:12.57 | veryhappy | good |
| 23:13.03 | homekevin | But there's no guarantee it will play nice with other Debian software |
| 23:13.37 | Bushmills | veryhappy: what does the howto say from when it is? |
| 23:13.40 | homekevin | I would think that you can make udev do whatever it is hotplug would do, but it might not be easy |
| 23:14.40 | veryhappy | here´s what i actually should do: apt-get install hotplug hotplug-utils |
| 23:14.53 | veryhappy | thats what they wanted me to do |
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| 23:16.39 | jsoft | Whats a nice light imap client? |
| 23:16.48 | jsoft | Well, a decent mail client I should say. |
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| 23:17.02 | Bushmills | claws-mail isn't too bad |
| 23:17.08 | jsoft | Hmmm ok |
| 23:17.09 | jsoft | Cheers |
| 23:17.22 | jsoft | Have used that in the past, was slightly weird back then, prolly a lot better now. |
| 23:18.32 | Bushmills | back when it was testing ground of sylpheed |
| 23:19.07 | veryhappy | so what about the directory /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware? |
| 23:19.38 | veryhappy | its the directory where i should change to install the linux source in my howto...? |
| 23:19.48 | veryhappy | oops |
| 23:19.57 | Amarande | veryhappy, some USB devices (particularly wireless LAN cards) have "firmware" that must be loaded each boot from the host machine |
| 23:20.04 | Amarande | (why this is called firmware, I'm not quite sure) |
| 23:20.07 | veryhappy | no, sorry...cd /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 23:20.09 | veryhappy | wget http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/firmware/dvb-ttpci-01.fw-261f |
| 23:20.10 | veryhappy | cp dvb-ttpci-01.fw-261f dvb-ttpci-01.fw |
| 23:20.27 | veryhappy | that was what they wanted me to do |
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| 23:24.14 | qwd | Does clicking the Display Arch Details box on http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html do anything? I've allowed javascript and still nothing. |
| 23:24.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | jsoft: i've found a few weird crashes, and the debian maintainers don't seem hugely responsive, but i like claws |
| 23:24.21 | veryhappy | does anyone have an advice for me? |
| 23:24.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | !wayttd |
| 23:24.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 23:24.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | veryhappy: ^^ |
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| 23:25.02 | qwd | veryhappy: floss daily |
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| 23:25.46 | veryhappy | i want to install and configure vdr |
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| 23:28.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | veryhappy: and what part of apt-get install vdr causes the problem? |
| 23:28.43 | Devastator | or google vdr udev |
| 23:28.51 | veryhappy | no no Devastator |
| 23:29.26 | veryhappy | let me explain the problem: i need to download in this part the dvb firmware and need to change to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware but i dont have this directory |
| 23:29.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | why do you need to download the firmware? what told you to do that? |
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| 23:30.56 | Devastator | veryhappy http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/LFS_udev&ei=WBeaTsOuLcPk0QHRxbSZBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCgQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvdr%2Budev%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns |
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| 23:31.41 | veryhappy | oh thank you devastator :D im german i dont need the translation :) |
| 23:31.48 | veryhappy | wait a moment please |
| 23:32.53 | veryhappy | hmmmm i dont know how to go on with the installation |
| 23:33.18 | veryhappy | well actually im quite not sure if i need dvb where i just need tv over cable |
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| 23:35.15 | Devastator | well, this is the best i can do for you |
| 23:35.17 | Devastator | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/LFS_udev&ei=WBeaTsOuLcPk0QHRxbSZBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCgQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvdr%2Budev%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns |
| 23:35.41 | veryhappy | Devastator: im german |
| 23:35.50 | veryhappy | but thank you |
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| 23:36.36 | Devastator | sorry, i'm not, so i need it to be at least in english to guide myself.. |
| 23:36.46 | totte | I've gathered that some recommend changing the port for sshd, but what about mysql and other programs? |
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| 23:37.44 | veryhappy | im sorry my firefox kicked myself :D |
| 23:37.56 | veryhappy | well thank you for the material |
| 23:37.59 | veryhappy | see you |
| 23:38.06 | dvs | kicks FireFox |
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| 23:46.10 | kerze | anybody |
| 23:46.27 | dvs | dance now? |
| 23:46.39 | Devastator | everybody |
| 23:47.23 | rotflcopter | can someone tell me how to make rmd320 module work? |
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| 23:47.49 | rotflcopter | /proc/crypto says self-test pass |
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| 23:49.19 | crodjer | I am having issues with laptop-mode-tools and ethernet. With laptop-mode service enabled, hot plugging of eth wont work. |
| 23:49.56 | crodjer | I have disabled laptop-mode to manage ethernet, but still this happens. |
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| 23:50.31 | crodjer | (using debian unstable) |
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| 23:55.29 | tamiya | hey guys |
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| 23:55.44 | dvs | yo |
| 23:55.45 | tamiya | i have a general question on linux file deletion: |
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| 23:56.03 | tamiya | I'm trying to understand why I can't, out of interest, delete /bin/mailx. |
| 23:56.03 | tamiya | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.03 | tamiya | [user@pc1 ~]$ ls -lF /bin/mail* |
| 23:56.03 | tamiya | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mail 82964 Jul 13 2006 /bin/mail* |
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| 23:58.18 | tamiya | hey guys, i'm trying to understand why I can't delete a file |
| 23:58.23 | tamiya | can someone have a look? http://paste.debian.net/plain/136906 |
| 23:59.39 | p_quarles | tamiya: what error do you get when trying to delete? |
