| 00:00.14 | tamiya | cannot remove mailx: permission denied |
| 00:00.42 | popkill | tamiya: simple, you aren't the owner of this file |
| 00:00.58 | tamiya | but i'm a member of 'others' |
| 00:01.10 | tamiya | and 'others' hve wrx permission |
| 00:02.39 | somiaj | tamiya: symbolic links take the primisions of the file they link to. Only the owner (or someone with write primisiosn to the directory) can remove the link. |
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| 00:03.06 | somiaj | tamiya: the lrxwrxwrxw you see says nothing about the primisions. |
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| 00:03.46 | tamiya | oh, thats a tad confusing :) |
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| 00:04.17 | somiaj | http://bid.ankara.edu.tr/yardim/linux.install.guide/node131.html |
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| 00:04.51 | tamiya | thanks for your help, i think i understand it now :) |
| 00:06.00 | tamiya | Because I don't have 'w' permission on the parent directory, I cannot delete the link despite having 'w' permission on the link itself |
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| 00:08.25 | tamiya | my next question, if you guys don't mind, is on the 'locate' command: http://paste.debian.net/plain/136909 |
| 00:11.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | tamiya: try me$ |
| 00:12.19 | tamiya | u tried that too: no results |
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| 00:14.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | tamiya: the man page has lots of options you might like to try, -r for example, and the info on globs |
| 00:14.48 | dym | Is CIFS still a valid and secure way to access data shares via WAN connections? |
| 00:14.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | see also -b |
| 00:15.40 | jsoft | Grrr. Somehow bash seems to think it knows how to autocomplete based on file extention. How do I tell it to shut up and just autocomplete? |
| 00:15.51 | tamiya | I've already tried locate -b and locate --regex options, no luck :( |
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| 00:16.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | jsoft: not sure what you're after? |
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| 00:18.41 | jsoft | Kamping_K: I think its called bash 'smart' completetion |
| 00:18.45 | jsoft | And its a pain in the ass. |
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| 00:20.12 | somiaj | tamiya: why not just use find in ~/me/ |
| 00:21.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | jsoft: try looking in /etc/bash_completion* |
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| 00:24.36 | jsoft | Kamping_K: Yeah just edited part in .bashrc which referenced that. |
| 00:24.39 | jsoft | Disaabled! :) |
| 00:24.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 00:28.16 | oldtopman | Can someone here help me with a kernel panic on boot? |
| 00:28.25 | oldtopman | (clean install) |
| 00:28.46 | dondelelcaro | oldtopman: best to just ask your question and provide as much detail as possible |
| 00:29.58 | oldtopman | I just installed debian 6.0.2.1 using network mirrors, and when I go to boot it up, I get a few errors about nouveau, and a kernel panic. |
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| 00:31.09 | oldtopman | 5.0.4 worked alright, but all debian 6.x have failed so far. |
| 00:31.33 | streuner | normally impossible |
| 00:32.03 | streuner | oldtopman: what kind of isos did you use so far? |
| 00:32.11 | oldtopman | 64 bit |
| 00:32.40 | ompaul | oldtopman: did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade after that |
| 00:32.43 | oldtopman | (This is on an AMD X4 640) |
| 00:33.19 | oldtopman | How am I supposed to do that when ten computer doesn't boot? |
| 00:33.21 | ompaul | oldtopman: were you using netinstall or CD1 gnome |
| 00:33.30 | oldtopman | DVD1 |
| 00:33.34 | oldtopman | gnome |
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| 00:33.46 | ompaul | define doesn't boot |
| 00:34.12 | oldtopman | Press enter at grub => black screen |
| 00:34.29 | ompaul | has the fan switched off? |
| 00:34.35 | oldtopman | nope. |
| 00:34.44 | ompaul | sorry missed the kernel panic |
| 00:35.08 | oldtopman | heh, np |
| 00:35.10 | ompaul | oldtopman: first boot after install |
| 00:35.17 | streuner | oldtopman: and a LIVE-CD would work? |
| 00:35.29 | oldtopman | what? |
| 00:35.37 | ompaul | oldtopman: is this the first boot after install |
| 00:35.39 | oldtopman | The installer cd works fine. |
| 00:35.43 | streuner | knoppix, grml or ubuntu LIVE - CD |
| 00:35.43 | oldtopman | yes |
| 00:35.52 | ompaul | yes me or yes streuner |
| 00:36.22 | oldtopman | this system has not booted, save for a rescue shell |
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| 00:36.54 | oldtopman | the installer cd works fine, as do other distros (on disconnected HD's) |
| 00:37.27 | oldtopman | sorry about the punctuation, ten touchpad is rather annoying :s |
| 00:37.44 | ompaul | oldtopman: let me put it this way, if you try to do a normal install on this machine at this time, it kernel panics and this has been the condition since you did the install? |
| 00:38.03 | oldtopman | what? |
| 00:38.05 | ompaul | s/normal install/normal boot/ |
| 00:38.27 | oldtopman | It Installs successfully, but then the new installed system won't boot. |
| 00:38.45 | ompaul | thank you, that is what I have been asking. I suggest you have a faulty install disk |
| 00:38.53 | oldtopman | what |
| 00:39.17 | Amarande | i.e., the data on your install disc is corrupted, and installs a non-working OS |
| 00:39.17 | oldtopman | it failed during burning? |
| 00:39.21 | ompaul | ues |
| 00:39.22 | Amarande | you have a coaster, yes. |
| 00:39.34 | oldtopman | <profanity> |
| 00:39.42 | ompaul | oldtopman: get yourself a netinstall CD and start again, this time get 6.0.3 |
| 00:40.13 | ompaul | its the fastest download burn and get you going again |
| 00:40.23 | oldtopman | What is it with you and your netinst cd's? |
| 00:40.26 | oldtopman | but sure, thanks |
| 00:40.31 | ompaul | we love em |
| 00:40.37 | ompaul | they rock |
| 00:40.45 | ompaul | once you have network connection |
| 00:40.54 | oldtopman | I have terrible download, and like to only have to download once. |
| 00:41.05 | ompaul | then get CD1 |
| 00:41.08 | ompaul | not DVD1 |
| 00:41.43 | ompaul | it is much shorter and has most of what you want, you might also like to get the firmware-linux-nonfree package and stick it on a usb key |
| 00:42.04 | ompaul | so when you boot you can dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:42.30 | ompaul | in case you have some funky hardware that wants this software for ethernet cards or whatever |
| 00:42.39 | streuner | uses just eth to install things |
| 00:42.46 | oldtopman | wait |
| 00:43.05 | oldtopman | Why can't I use the one I downloaded? |
| 00:43.20 | oldtopman | it md5summed correctly :\ |
| 00:43.28 | ompaul | you can |
| 00:43.45 | ompaul | but your dvd appears to have crapped out durning the install |
| 00:43.52 | ompaul | it is also older than the current release |
| 00:43.55 | oldtopman | bah |
| 00:44.00 | oldtopman | fffs |
| 00:44.01 | ompaul | 6.0.3 |
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| 00:44.18 | oldtopman | Don't they automatically update with apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:44.28 | ompaul | oldtopman: you can do anything you want, but you will have to update the delta of changes between and you say your download is rubbish |
| 00:44.29 | streuner | if you using dist-upgrade |
| 00:44.29 | oldtopman | or is it like a new version entirely? |
| 00:44.44 | ompaul | you can apt-get |
| 00:44.50 | streuner | if you using dist-upgrade, it would auto upgrade the kernel as well... |
| 00:44.58 | oldtopman | hrm |
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| 00:45.05 | streuner | if you using upgrade it doesnt |
| 00:45.17 | ompaul | oldtopman: I didn't make the world I just live in it ;-) |
| 00:45.19 | oldtopman | Glad to see that my computer isn't incompatible, thanks guys. |
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| 00:46.00 | ompaul | oldtopman: I find cheap dvds are crappy media cheap CDs tend to be more reliable |
| 00:46.10 | ompaul | oldtopman: you could have a bad batch or maybe not |
| 00:46.44 | ompaul | oldtopman: I always use CDs unless I am doing knoppix stuff |
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| 00:50.46 | maknz | Running debian server, there's a a 1.9GB volume that's full and I can't figure out where the space is going - any advice? http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9735/111016114048.png |
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| 00:51.42 | Amarande | have you run du and checked for large usage that isn't on one of the other partitions? |
| 00:53.16 | ompaul | maknz: as root du -h / > /home/username/foo and then check it out |
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| 00:53.43 | maknz | thanks :) found 800mb of mail stuff, that cleared it out a bit |
| 00:53.46 | maknz | will keep hunting |
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| 00:56.51 | hanasaki | there are over 50 cd iso images for 6.0.3? |
| 00:57.07 | ompaul | hanasaki: debian is rather large you only need the first one |
| 00:57.10 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 00:57.24 | hanasaki | does it have java available? sun6jdk? |
| 00:57.42 | Devastator | not officially |
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| 00:57.56 | hanasaki | how do I get it installed? |
| 00:58.23 | streuner | !netinstall |
| 00:58.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:59.12 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 00:59.37 | hanasaki | is btrfs ready for prod use? or still ext4 is best? |
| 01:00.37 | streuner | hanasaki: /msg dpkg btrfs |
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| 01:02.50 | hanasaki | thanks streuner |
| 01:03.16 | hanasaki | what kernel is in 6? |
| 01:03.30 | hanasaki | and is there a way to make a bootable flash stick for installs? |
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| 01:04.36 | rww | hanasaki: 2.6.32-5 |
| 01:05.06 | streuner | hanasaki: there is always <kmuto> if you need newer kernels |
| 01:05.39 | rww | hanasaki: for bootable flash sticks, grab the ISO you want and dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdX |
| 01:05.55 | rww | where /dev/sdX is whatever device the flash stick is |
| 01:06.07 | hanasaki | thanks! |
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| 01:09.34 | hanasaki | rww: that's the best installer... where is the pretty gui ? grin |
| 01:09.48 | rww | hanasaki: hrm? |
| 01:09.49 | jsoft | hmm. |
| 01:10.03 | hanasaki | ?? |
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| 01:11.00 | jsoft | Is there some way for me to give a normal user permissions required to pcap on an interface? |
| 01:11.08 | jsoft | some 'sane' way I should say. |
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| 01:17.06 | lfs | Anybody know the command to find out the space used by a directory? |
| 01:17.49 | streuner | du -h <some folder>? |
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| 01:19.15 | lfs | thx |
| 01:20.13 | white_magic | (ubuntu question): anyone know how i might be able to log out via the terminal in ubuntu? i tried 'gnome-session-save', but it cannot find this command |
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| 01:20.51 | ompaul | white_magic: you address that question to #ubuntu |
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| 01:21.07 | white_magic | alas, but I tried |
| 01:21.21 | white_magic | thanks for not eating me alive for the question btw :D |
| 01:21.23 | ompaul | alsa we don't do ubuntu we do debian ;-) |
| 01:21.29 | white_magic | it's cool |
| 01:21.39 | white_magic | i tried debian for a while, just for curiosity |
| 01:21.56 | white_magic | i really liked it, but i think it's better for a server than a desktop environment |
| 01:22.02 | white_magic | (has more 'papercuts') |
| 01:22.05 | lfs | I need the total size |
| 01:22.14 | white_magic | but you guys at #debian are quite knowledgeable |
| 01:22.25 | JohnPrimeXXL | du -sh |
| 01:23.03 | Amarande | 'papercuts'? |
| 01:23.16 | white_magic | it's a.. very informal term |
| 01:23.31 | babilen | white_magic: Unfortunately we still can and will not support Ubuntu. You are, however, welcome to use Debian and ask us about that. :) |
| 01:23.38 | streuner | lfs: total size of what? |
| 01:23.45 | white_magic | haha babilen, i understand. you've helped me with debian, too, iirc |
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| 01:23.58 | babilen | That might very well be :) |
| 01:23.58 | white_magic | Amarande: basically it refers to small annoyances which can be resolved given enough googling and know-how |
| 01:23.59 | lfs | Debian:/var/lib# du -sh backuppc/ |
| 01:23.59 | lfs | 20Mbackuppc/ |
| 01:24.01 | streuner | omg, its sunday? |
| 01:24.10 | streuner | dpkg, sunday |
| 01:24.10 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 01:24.22 | white_magic | Amarande: annoyances which are much more relevant in desktop/casual/media usage scenarios |
| 01:24.23 | lfs | I installed backuppc and now how can I have 20 M stored? |
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| 01:24.32 | lfs | Isn't Debian bigger than that? |
| 01:24.44 | streuner | sure |
| 01:24.53 | streuner | 20MB, you are joking? |
| 01:25.09 | lfs | What is stored? |
| 01:25.19 | lfs | I only installed with no config. |
| 01:25.22 | JohnPrimeXXL | Debian used to fit on floppies |
| 01:25.53 | Amarande | And so did Windows, at one point :) |
| 01:25.54 | streuner | well, its only a kernel and some basic apps., but 20MB, no way |
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| 01:26.44 | streuner | lfs: backuppc is fine, what do you want backup at all? |
| 01:27.07 | JohnPrimeXXL | rsync ftw |
| 01:27.14 | lfs | I just want to back up before dist-upgrade |
| 01:27.22 | Amarande | And I remember the days of the Commodore where they somehow managed to fit GEOS and its applications into a small enough space that you usually only needed to use one boot and one work disk |
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| 01:27.32 | streuner | lfs: well, do it then. |
| 01:27.38 | Amarande | This, mind you, was single sided 5.25" disks that only held 170K each |
| 01:27.42 | JohnPrimeXXL | Amarande: true |
| 01:28.13 | lfs | Is backuppc overkill? |
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| 01:28.33 | streuner | lfs: you only need to install and configure backuppc, well, backuppc is php, but thats another issue... |
| 01:28.43 | JohnPrimeXXL | me think so, but backuppc is good |
| 01:28.44 | lfs | Its installed |
| 01:29.12 | lfs | What it is doing is another matter. |
| 01:29.17 | JohnPrimeXXL | I do all my backups with rsync, even on windoze |
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| 01:30.12 | streuner | lfs: php is usually a security issue, but you shouldnt be care much, if you using backuppc, IMO |
| 01:30.33 | streuner | lfs: so, just use it |
| 01:31.18 | lfs | Debian:/var/lib# du -sh backuppc/ |
| 01:31.18 | lfs | 20Mbackuppc/ |
| 01:31.22 | JohnPrimeXXL | backuppc is nice to setup backup quickly, the "ui" is ok |
| 01:31.29 | lfs | This is the folder that holds the backups |
| 01:31.34 | lfs | What is it doing? |
| 01:32.03 | streuner | lfs: you want to read FAQ about there website |
| 01:32.05 | JohnPrimeXXL | are you sure it is done backuping? |
| 01:32.30 | lfs | Not sure of anything. Except pretty certain it is installed |
| 01:32.51 | streuner | lfs: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html |
| 01:32.57 | JohnPrimeXXL | well, you configured it right? and ran a backup^ |
| 01:32.59 | JohnPrimeXXL | ? |
| 01:33.29 | streuner | lfs: its not *that* hard to unterstand, you just need 1-2 hours |
| 01:33.35 | JohnPrimeXXL | If I remember correctly, the server triggers the backup based on a schedule... |
| 01:34.38 | JohnPrimeXXL | lfs: check the content of the backuppc directory, any .tar.gz in there? if so, check the content... |
| 01:35.16 | lfs | It is backing up /etc |
| 01:35.28 | lfs | That makes sense. 20M |
| 01:35.45 | streuner | different folders... |
| 01:35.46 | JohnPrimeXXL | well, yes ... and it makes sense to bck /etc too |
| 01:36.02 | streuner | lfs: read *HOW* you backup other folders as well |
| 01:36.16 | JohnPrimeXXL | most important is /etc, /home and /var/logs,www, and so on |
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| 01:50.01 | sanduz2 | is there some way to listen in on the activity/output of a daemon running in the background? |
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| 01:51.28 | babilen | sanduz2: Something like using strace(1)? (You can strace it by PID, for example) |
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| 02:13.26 | lwizardl | Hello |
| 02:14.41 | sanduz2 | babilen, thanks ill look into that |
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| 02:21.32 | pujger | How do I install ActiveX plugins for iceweasel |
| 02:21.34 | pujger | Or do I need windows for it |
| 02:21.37 | pujger | It says "If ActiveX controller cannot be display, please click here to install. |
| 02:21.46 | pujger | " Does it need wine and if so, how do I use wine as a plugin |
| 02:22.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | ttbomk, you can't use activex on anything but windows |
| 02:22.47 | pujger | Why isn't HTTP Ripper working anymore |
| 02:23.06 | pujger | I'm talking about http://29a.ch/httpripper |
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| 02:28.46 | lwizardl | okay so I am moving from ubuntu and going back to the main debian distribution. But before I make this jump I need to know a couple things. 1) Does the vanilla debian distro have that unity BS (please I hope not), 2) does debain still have an option to use a gnome 2 style UI ? 3) Which cd iso should I download for my system Intel i5 processor, Intel HDMI Audio/Video card, and 3GB ram |
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| 02:29.38 | rww | lwizardl: 1) no, 2) yes, Debian stable uses GNOME 2, 3) amd64 |
| 02:30.30 | lwizardl | rww, is there any plans to force gnome3 only or to add that crap unity ? |
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| 02:31.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc the gnome team are only planning to support 3 in wheezy, but i may be wrong |
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| 02:31.32 | rww | Kamping_Kaiser: I think that's right |
| 02:31.34 | qwd | rww: you aren't forced to use anything. if you don't want gnome you can use something else. |
| 02:31.58 | rww | qwd: I didn't say anything that contradicts. |
| 02:32.18 | qwd | rww: sorry, that was supposed to go to lwizardl |
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| 02:32.45 | sanduz2 | lwizardl, you can disable unity and add anything else you want to ubuntu. not sure what the problem is |
| 02:33.01 | rww | lwizardl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 is the ITP for Unity in Debian, I highly doubt it'll be packaged in a way that'll affect people who don't specifically install it. |
| 02:33.26 | rww | and yes, as sanduz2 says Unity isn't mandatory on Ubuntu either (and it also has GNOME 3 that also has fallback mode, assuming you're on 11.04) |
| 02:33.42 | lwizardl | as long as I dont get forced to use crap like they are doing in this unity ui thing. I will be happy to stay will debian I have been using ubuntu since about 5.10 so that would be 2005 and I have already made my system cleaned off ready for a reformat and install to remove it from my systems over it |
| 02:33.55 | rww | lwizardl: Again, you're not forced to use Unity in Ubuntu. |
| 02:33.55 | zykotick9 | lwizardl, as a former ubuntu user myself - i'd just like to say, Debian is very different from Ubuntu: both technically and as a project/community. |
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| 02:34.54 | sanduz2 | using linux for that long and still thinking you are forced to use certain desktop environments... |
| 02:35.27 | lwizardl | rww, If you install the gnome version of ubuntu then you get unity and in the 11.10 version seems if you install the classic version it causes problems in the system. I tried that and now after being a linux user only desktop user for over 5 years now and not being able to fix the issues |
| 02:36.12 | lwizardl | has the direction of the releases are flawed to a point. so I will be moving away from it until they decide to make the unity crap an option not a default |
| 02:36.15 | rww | lwizardl: This isn't #ubuntu, so I will forgo explaining to you how you're wrong. |
| 02:36.57 | qwd | lwizardl: the defaults are there to give people something usable with little work. if you don't like the defaults you don't have to use them. only reason you won't find gnome3 in debian is because it takes longer for the new versions to end up in debian. |
| 02:37.00 | rww | but hey, even if you are coming to Debian for the wrong reasons, you're still coming to Debian, so yay. |
| 02:37.07 | lwizardl | sanduz2, I have been asking in their channel for how to remove unity and their answer has been "you can't" the only option is to try classic and in 11.10 they changed that even |
| 02:37.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | this isn't debian support discussion, please take it to -offtopic |
| 02:37.49 | qwd | lwizardl: the answer is you use another de, just like in debian once wheezy goes stable and uses gnome3. |
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| 02:38.13 | erpo | Hi. I'm looking to do md raid6, 4x2TB drives. Since failure rates are highly correlated with hard drive manufacturer and batch, I'm thinking about choosing one seagate disk, one western digital, one samsung, and one hitachi. Does this sound like a good idea, or a little nuts? I don't care about performance btw. |
| 02:38.17 | babilen | ,info gnome-session-fallback --release sid |
| 02:38.18 | judd | Package gnome-session-fallback (gnome, optional) in sid/i386: GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session. Version: 3.0.2-3; Size: 105.7k; Installed: 155k |
| 02:38.19 | lwizardl | rww, I agree with you on this not being their channel but I was only listing why my switching has been choosen |
| 02:38.36 | sanduz2 | speaking of which, has there been any more info on debian cut? wishing it would come out soon |
| 02:38.59 | qwd | lwizardl: and that's a short term solution. you'll be disappointed when wheezy uses gnome3. |
| 02:39.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: they do monthly snapshots still iirc |
| 02:39.21 | cantido | didnt realise unity even existed until people started moaning about how bad it is |
| 02:39.33 | sanduz2 | Kamping_Kaiser, any rumors on a final public release? |
| 02:39.34 | babilen | qwd: Just use the fallback session and be done with it. In the end it lays in the hands of our upstreams though. |
| 02:39.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | erpo: i always think buying hitachi drives is nuts :) |
| 02:40.05 | cantido | qwd: you could do a "forward port" of Gnome 2 ;) |
| 02:40.06 | qwd | babilen: I think the fallback will be removed in the next version of gnome |
| 02:40.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: not on deb-dev, but iirc they have their own list |
| 02:40.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: cut |
| 02:40.09 | dpkg | [cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>. |
| 02:40.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: debian cut |
| 02:40.20 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
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| 02:40.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | no download link :/ |
| 02:40.32 | babilen | qwd: As I said: It depends on upstream |
| 02:40.47 | qwd | dpkg should mention http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 02:40.48 | dpkg | i don't know, qwd |
| 02:41.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | qwd: thanks for the link |
| 02:41.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | qwd: done |
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| 02:41.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian cut |
| 02:41.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: debian cut |
| 02:41.39 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html, or http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 02:41.40 | sanduz2 | ah nice never seen that link before |
| 02:42.36 | cantido | how different is that from testing in reality? |
| 02:42.58 | sanduz2 | cantido, supposedly it should never break on an update. thats enough of a difference for me |
| 02:43.28 | erpo | Kamping_Kaiser: I wish I had real hard data on which manufacturers make good drives and which don't, but I don't have it, and I don't think I can get it. No disrespect, but I don't trust anyone's intuition. |
| 02:43.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | erpo: no offense taken. |
| 02:44.05 | pujger | Where does google chrome store its cache |
| 02:44.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | your lack of faith is not my problem :) |
| 02:44.17 | cantido | sanduz2: I cant see it happening.. there isnt enough man power available to get a stable release done quickly with testing frozen |
| 02:44.23 | erpo | Kamping_Kaiser: Unless you have an objective study with a very large sample size. Then I owe you a beer. |
| 02:44.27 | pujger | }FK`eCn R$"E\(eK J&kK+)iu Q2[=_%M= Z<Vy+Ryo :>uf]h; M$"AD+h |
| 02:44.33 | pujger | jzzb=K mMD!nf9I n*(VR* C\*/u(+ ]f\~&=t[ {<RU&=^~ I+#P(%x |
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| 02:44.45 | cantido | sanduz2: so you will get packages that have been checked, but nothing past that |
| 02:44.48 | pujger | ;c&=IK<h sn~;Dr<g "j\KKc%L ,iF.j_: i*e'MQqh ,,/%T& waj1>PKJ |
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| 02:44.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | erpo: no objective study, only a large sample size of old (10-100gb) disks |
| 02:45.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | pujger: stop that. now. |
| 02:45.03 | pujger | &#Kq[qk; HdGp,<< }{B'Nd` g\>:\dt KX=y8P-n t=EJ^( VG%{:_'f |
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| 02:46.04 | cantido | erpo: even if you buy a good drive.. it could fail. vendors do publish mean time to failure.. |
| 02:46.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | pujger: try and help yourself instead of asking everything here. `man chromium-browser` answers your last question |
| 02:46.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | pujger: it even gives a reference |
| 02:46.14 | sanduz2 | cantido, well see. i hope it works out like it should, it would be nice. just a bit more stable than testing is enough for me. id use testing if it wasnt for that |
| 02:46.22 | erpo | Kamping_Kaiser: Google's 2007 study indicated that failure rates are highly correlated with both drive manufacturer and vintage. It may be that hitachi has made poor drives, but that doesn't necessarily mean their 2TB drives are more likely to fail. |
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| 02:46.44 | erpo | Kamping_Kaiser: For example, they got reasonable reviews on newegg. Of course, I don't trust voluntary reviews either since there's a self selection bias. |
| 02:46.45 | cantido | sanduz2: Ive never really had testing break all that much ;) |
| 02:47.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | erpo: yup. |
| 02:47.10 | sanduz2 | cantido, lucky you :P |
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| 02:47.18 | erpo | sanduz2: I ran testing for years on my main desktop with no problems. I might be the only one... |
| 02:47.44 | sanduz2 | ive had testing break once or twice, its not much but its still enough to get me to stay with ubuntu. i really hate dealing with it |
| 02:47.49 | cantido | is running testing on amd64, armel, sh4.. :) |
| 02:47.56 | erpo | cantido: That is true, but I don't really trust mttf or mtbf figures from manufacturers. Do you? |
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| 02:48.34 | cantido | erpo: Not so much for harddisks.. flash etc should be pretty close to reality |
| 02:48.52 | erpo | cantido: Unfortunately, I'm shopping for rotating media. :) |
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| 02:49.03 | cantido | erpo: either way, you have a warranty, or should have one. If you value your data keep it in more than one place |
| 02:49.22 | cantido | having good disks doesnt stop your house from getting swept away in a tsunami |
| 02:49.42 | erpo | cantido: I have an offsite backup strategy actually. :) |
| 02:50.06 | cantido | does downtime matter? |
| 02:50.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | cantido: thats what living 150m above sealevel is for ;) |
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| 02:50.54 | erpo | cantido: Somewhat. It's not for the telephone company or anything like that, but I'd like to avoid downtime. |
| 02:51.06 | cantido | RAID + spares |
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| 02:52.14 | erpo | cantido: Any reason I shouldn't use raid6 with 4x2TB drives instead of spares? |
| 02:52.38 | cantido | erpo: I cant remember how many disks you can afford to lose in RAID6 |
| 02:52.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | two |
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| 02:52.58 | erpo | Two, and then you've got raid0 left. |
| 02:53.24 | LegalEagle | raid 0+1 |
| 02:53.35 | cantido | erpo: I would have a spare waiting |
| 02:53.41 | erpo | It's like raid 0+1, except you can lose any two disks. |
| 02:53.56 | LegalEagle | oh i see erpo |
| 02:54.20 | cantido | I have seen with RAID5 at least, one disk going and then a second disk failing as the RAID struggles along |
| 02:54.43 | erpo | cantido: That's why I'm looking at raid 6 instead, so there's still some redundancy after a failure. |
| 02:55.45 | cantido | mmm I wonder if the overall chance of failure would go down by mixing disks |
| 02:56.12 | erpo | cantido: That's what *I'm* wondering! :) |
| 02:56.32 | cantido | erpo: heh, well, with RAID1 at least I always use two different disks |
| 02:56.44 | cantido | just it case one turns out to have some stupid bug or something |
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| 03:35.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright peeps I got a nice one here what does can't allocate interface wllease?? |
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| 03:36.44 | iluminator101 | I am running debian sid, and after extended period of idleness the machine's monitor does not go back on; i dont know if the system goes on standby or how do i get the machine to not go standby on idle |
| 03:36.46 | arghx | Eryn_1983_FL: and you graciously give us context, yes? |
| 03:37.10 | arghx | iluminator101: checked if it reacts on the network? |
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| 03:37.49 | iluminator101 | arghx, what you mean? |
| 03:38.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got it |
| 03:38.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 03:38.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | simple search sorry to bother you |
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| 03:38.33 | somiaj | iluminator101: you can try to ping and/or ssh into the machine to see if its just xorg that has crashed as opposed to the whole os. Also check though logs in /var/log |
| 03:38.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | corrupted files in /var/lib/dhcp |
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| 03:42.05 | iluminator101 | somiaj, i dont have another pc to do that from |
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| 03:43.44 | somiaj | iluminator101: well its a useful diagnostic tool to try to figure out what the actual issue is. |
| 03:44.09 | arghx | then check your logfiles. do a cronjob which periodically (every few seconds) writes a "I'm alive!"line into a file to see what crashes. stop using X, etc |
| 03:44.28 | arghx | iluminator101: you run sid. you should know these things by yourself and not ask us for hints like that |
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| 03:45.35 | iluminator101 | this happens after idle for more than 15 minutes |
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| 03:47.21 | eflynn | i can't get any sound out of my sound card. i tried alsamixer and unmuted it, but still nothing |
| 03:47.44 | Arafangion | iluminator101: Start your logging, then go for a 20-minute walk. |
| 03:48.41 | cantido | you could also try putting it to sleep and see if it can actually come out of sleep |
| 03:48.49 | cantido | maybe its suspending and crashing there.. |
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| 03:49.10 | Arafangion | Well, if xorg is the only thing that dies, I would blame the graphics drivers |
| 03:49.18 | Arafangion | Which has happened to me before. |
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| 03:49.52 | cantido | my kde session sometimes freezes.. switching to a VT and back fixes it.. |
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| 03:51.44 | eflynn | Can anyone give me some steps to troubleshoot why the sound isn't working? |
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| 03:56.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | test |
| 03:56.12 | arghx | eflynn: do you have more than one soundcard (hdmi via vga card)? |
| 03:56.39 | eflynn | arghx, just one, it's ac '97 |
| 03:56.42 | cardamon | I think I broke something. |
| 03:57.03 | eflynn | arghx, not even an actual card it's just a laptop |
| 03:57.51 | cardamon | I goooted to the Live Cd and it said the live-boot failed. Error message was "Unknown file system type on /dev/loop0 (/live/image/live/filesystem.squashfs) |
| 03:57.59 | cardamon | s/gooted/booted |
| 03:59.12 | dajhorn | cardamon: Reburn the media if you are using a CD-R disc. You've probably got I/O errors in the system log. |
| 03:59.16 | iluminator101 | eflynn what version are you running |
| 03:59.24 | cardamon | dajhorn: USB. |
| 03:59.48 | dajhorn | cardamon: How did you create the USB media? unetbootin? |
| 03:59.58 | cardamon | dajhorn: Unetbootin. |
| 04:00.01 | eflynn | iluminator101, wheezy? |
| 04:00.18 | arghx | cardamon: that's why.debian doesn't like unetbootin |
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| 04:00.30 | iluminator101 | eflynn did sound work before you updated it |
| 04:00.31 | cardamon | It's worked before with the same image. |
| 04:00.34 | arghx | eflynn: and don't run wheezy. |
| 04:00.40 | arghx | cardamon: |
| 04:00.42 | eflynn | arghx, why not |
| 04:00.45 | dajhorn | cardamon: Hmmm. Check your `dmesg` and /var/log/syslog file for hints. |
| 04:00.52 | arghx | cause wheezy is testing and is buggy |
| 04:01.09 | eflynn | arghx, i don't agree with the buggy part :) |
| 04:01.19 | arghx | !testing |
| 04:01.19 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 04:03.00 | iluminator101 | eflynn did you try alsamixer as root |
| 04:03.32 | eflynn | iluminator101, no i added myself to the audio group like i'm supposed to |
| 04:03.46 | eflynn | iluminator101, i'm gonna try a restart |
| 04:03.58 | arghx | !reboot |
| 04:03.58 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 04:05.12 | iluminator101 | figured out why it freezes on long idle the external harddrive shutdown after more than 15 minutes still dont know how that throw xorg off |
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| 04:10.49 | cardamon | arghx: Alrighty then. How to put the debian-live-6.0.2-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso on my USB without unetbootin? cat <iso> > /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 04:11.28 | cardamon | arghx: Should I format, put a certain filesystem on first? |
| 04:11.54 | arghx | cardamon: I don't know if live cds are hybrid images |
| 04:11.54 | Amarande | if anything I *want* to say dd if=(iso) of=/dev/sdb (not sdb1) but I'm not *actually* sure if that works or if that hoses the USB |
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| 04:12.57 | arghx | cardamon: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/live-manual.html#218 seems to say it's a hybrid image |
| 04:13.08 | cardamon | arghx: I need a live environment to do some work to get the wifi pci card working for the install. As far as I can tell, the drivers and firmware aren't in squeeze. |
| 04:13.21 | arghx | cardamon: which card exactly? |
| 04:13.28 | arghx | cardamon: cause there might be other ways |
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| 04:24.53 | cardamon | arghx: Tenda W322P V2.0 802.11n wireless pci card |
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| 04:25.31 | arghx | we need the chip it uses, not a brand name. if you already know what you need to do (like using a live cd) then you already have a howto or such to refer to, right? |
| 04:26.01 | arghx | !rt2800 |
| 04:26.02 | dpkg | For support of Ralink 802.11n PCI wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2860sta>, <rt2800pci>. For support of Ralink 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rt2870sta>, <rt2800usb>. |
| 04:26.14 | arghx | accroding to google it's a ralink 2800 |
| 04:26.20 | arghx | is it a pci or a usb one? |
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| 04:26.47 | cardamon | PCI. |
| 04:27.08 | cardamon | And I'm trying to get a LiveUSB going again so I can get into it. |
| 04:27.12 | cardamon | So one thing at a time. |
| 04:27.39 | cardamon | I wrote over it trying to get daily build of Wheezy working, and that didn't work. |
| 04:28.10 | arghx | the chip is supported by kmuto install images |
| 04:28.29 | arghx | and of course the non-free firmware it needs |
| 04:31.02 | cardamon | !kmuto |
| 04:31.02 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 04:31.18 | pujger | Where does google chrome store its cache |
| 04:31.19 | pujger | Where does google chrome store its cache? |
| 04:31.39 | pujger | Xn^sF~;- ;?N=i=%q +Po;U=Z \oB[d2$j #^)@qa{ =oWY/z"h .e>a&_r/ |
| 04:31.42 | ectospasm | pujger: a guess: .config/google-chrome/ somewhere. |
| 04:31.44 | pujger | 5CJk}d]T T{*CB`[^ ?oO{\[$ C8di7)/] CJ{>c7 qT\j[jUm ".jUNipw |
| 04:31.49 | pujger | {},wJu_u fL(}B']b {$gVC,"k !+r+-cgJ OX&x!g. `uCtacU= HY-NC"e |
| 04:31.54 | pujger | {3%::Taz 0C&t(! f>X&?[D2 >l2iZRoK l ;)"]' P0EUDe'Y ?RfY[@=: |
| 04:32.02 | pujger | K-uZl+H JM%@pGb hH6IlRj ,E8,Ge~ ]I?:FIs4 Q&a+ZP[r R@sFDq)^ |
| 04:32.02 | ectospasm | don't spam or flood or whatever that is |
| 04:32.07 | pujger | Terminated |
| 04:32.09 | pujger | Thanks |
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| 04:33.01 | zophy | is debian 12.0 out yet ? |
| 04:33.14 | ectospasm | um |
| 04:33.22 | ectospasm | 7.0 is not |
| 04:33.29 | zophy | i hope it has a neat splash screen |
| 04:33.51 | ectospasm | kicks zophy down a hole. |
| 04:33.55 | ectospasm | THIS IS DEBIAN!!!! |
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| 04:52.52 | jmg | hi all |
| 04:53.07 | jmg | anyone know how to list all packages available in a particular section? |
| 04:55.46 | boudiccas | section of what? |
| 04:55.57 | vyadhaka | is the following partition scheme right for GPT on a BIOS system: http://paste.debian.net/136950/ |
| 04:56.25 | boudiccas | jmg; section of what? |
| 04:56.33 | arghx | boudiccas: main, non-free, contrib,... |
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| 04:57.35 | jmg | boudiccas: section in debian ( apt-cache show firefox |grep -i section) |
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| 05:00.25 | brylie | How can I get Debian to auto-mount a Fat32 formatted SD/Micro card? My digital camera formats the filesystem to Fat32. |
| 05:01.06 | arghx | brylie: please stay in ubuntu. thank you. automounters work very very differtnly in debian and in ubuntu |
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| 05:08.43 | vyadhaka | anyone using GPT with BIOS |
| 05:08.50 | jsoft | It appears I need to in fact install some sort of game to occupy myself during idle moments. |
| 05:08.55 | jsoft | Any suggestions? |
| 05:09.24 | somiaj | jsoft: nethack |
| 05:09.51 | mosno | i know that this channel doesn't support non-debian distros, but what about distros that are very close to deiban, like aptosid? |
| 05:10.08 | mosno | ie. is there a grey area for these "closely related" derivates? |
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| 05:10.21 | jsoft | why does everyone suggest nethack? :) |
| 05:10.31 | Amarande | jsoft: tali, tetravex |
| 05:10.42 | somiaj | jsoft: because dwarffortess isn't in a premade deb |
| 05:11.06 | Amarande | don't download gnubridge though. it is pretty awful. |
| 05:11.18 | somiaj | mosno: yes the grey area is if it isn't debian squeeze (stable) or (oldstable) this isn't the support chan for it |
| 05:11.29 | Amarande | my partner once dropped a king unnecessarily under dummy's ace while defending, and it was even in the right place that declarer would have to lose that finesse |
| 05:11.45 | mosno | somiaj: i thought testing and unstable were more or less supported here, too? |
| 05:12.00 | somiaj | mosno: they are supported in #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 05:12.00 | mosno | obviously there's the "you get to keep both pieces" mentality, but still |
| 05:12.02 | mosno | ah |
| 05:12.06 | mosno | ok, thanks |
| 05:12.14 | Amarande | also, my partner (these are AI partners) once passed my direct jump shift response (and if you play bridge, you should know that this is forcing to game and suggesting a slam - in point of fact, 12 tricks made with ease) |
| 05:12.24 | somiaj | mosno: though yes a lot of the problems are 'I installed testing and it broke' in here. :D |
| 05:14.05 | Amarande | somiaj, do you ever sometimes get the feeling that testing is actually the least stable of the three "current" distributions? |
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| 05:14.17 | Amarande | we rarely ever seem to see people say 'I installed sid and it broke', strangely enough |
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| 05:14.52 | somiaj | Amarande: because people who don't know debian some how think testing is better than sid and so the majority of the people who shouldnt' be running either choose testing |
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| 05:15.11 | somiaj | Amarande: but yes except for random grave bugs that can hit you randomally, sid gets faster security and bug fixes than testing |
| 05:15.21 | banga | Oct 16 04:54:03 augustus kernel: [1156491.336672] Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:25:90:33:06:64:00:16:47:0f:c6:4d:08:00 SRC=208.107.4.7 DST=184.154.188.197 LEN |
| 05:15.33 | mosno | i am aware of the pitfalls of testing/unstable. i am running stable. the plan is to switch to testing post-freeze. |
| 05:16.00 | somiaj | mosno: I'd wait until its stable, you'll want the upgrade process to be thourghlly tested as well. |
| 05:16.09 | banga | sorry |
| 05:16.14 | banga | I have a problem. I'm on debian squeeze and when I use 'date' is shows the correct time, but if i 'tail /var/log/syslog' the timestamp is 4 hours later, and my cron didn't run on time either. 'hwclock' is also correct. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:16.22 | somiaj | mosno: I'm hopeing debian cut will eventally get rid of a lot of the mixing testing with stable and common errors I see in here. |
| 05:16.51 | mosno | somiaj: no, i want to file bugs against the software i use. i missed this opportunity with squeeze and have had to do workarounds for bugs i've encountered (i'm not elite enough to patch the source and rebuild the debA) |
| 05:16.55 | mosno | deb* |
| 05:17.19 | mosno | somiaj: so i figured post-freeze would be the smartest time to start doing this |
| 05:17.41 | somiaj | mosno: yea if you plan on actually testing this and not putting it on a production machine, debian loves testers |
| 05:17.53 | Amarande | somiaj, probably also there's the number of people who feel forced to install testing because of hardware, too |
| 05:17.58 | mosno | well, it'll be my main laptop, but i'll have backups |
| 05:18.10 | somiaj | banga: have you check tzconfig and made sure your clock is set to utc and the timezone is correct |
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| 05:18.46 | Amarande | either they don't know how to set up a bpo kernel with the squeeze install or ... actually, I'm pretty murky on how you do that. I'm guessing that you basically *have* to have a bootable usb key in order to do that, if one's system necessitates it (which mine didn't, thankfully) |
| 05:18.49 | somiaj | Amarande: Yea, which is sad since the backported kernels work just fine. |
| 05:19.29 | arghx | Amarande: there are installer images with backported kernels. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 05:19.53 | cardamon | Okay, I have a kmuto iso I need and a usb stick. I can't make a boot image the hybrid way with that, right |
| 05:19.56 | cardamon | ? |
| 05:20.16 | banga | somiaj: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? I run that and it only sets the timezone |
| 05:20.30 | banga | it says tzconfig is deprecated |
| 05:20.33 | arghx | cardamon: of course you can. why wouldn't you? |
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| 05:21.11 | somiaj | banga: I'm trying to recall where the setting to tell hw clock is utc is at |
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| 05:21.22 | arghx | banga: have you changed timezones recently and not rebooted? |
| 05:21.38 | cardamon | arghx: Just cat the iso to the usb? |
| 05:21.52 | arghx | somiaj: /etc/default/ somewhere. but: if date shows the right time, then it's working properly |
| 05:22.00 | cardamon | Do I need to format it? put a fillesystem on it? |
| 05:22.02 | arghx | !tell cardamon about usb install |
| 05:22.04 | banga | arghx: i dont think so, but that could be the case, unfortunately i cant reboot this server now |
| 05:22.15 | arghx | banga: restart your syslog daemon then |
| 05:22.28 | cardamon | THe system's amd64. |
| 05:22.29 | arghx | same for cron |
| 05:22.39 | arghx | cardamon: and this is relevant how? |
| 05:22.39 | banga | somiaj: i didnt grep for UTC in /etc and there is a difference from an old server, which has UTC in /etc/adjtime and this one which has LOCAL |
| 05:22.53 | banga | arghx: would that affect cron also? |
| 05:22.57 | cardamon | arghx: !tell arghx about usb install |
| 05:23.02 | cardamon | ... |
| 05:23.15 | arghx | somiaj: /etc/default/rcS |
| 05:23.19 | cardamon | !tell arghx about usb install |
| 05:23.32 | cardamon | It mentions x86. |
| 05:24.02 | arghx | cardamon: stop that idiocy please. if you cannot look at a url and think with more than two braincells you shouldn't bother running debian. have a nice day |
| 05:25.42 | banga | OT http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Clock-3.html -- I get a bandwidth exceeded error. Strange that nowdays you would get that with how much the entry level BW allotments are. |
| 05:26.56 | somiaj | banga: its not your banwidth, its the server host limit on the vps it seems |
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| 05:27.41 | banga | somiaj: =o) I know. I mean that in the perspective of hosting companies offerening BW |
| 05:28.15 | somiaj | banga: just takes a single bot to comprmise your server and start hosting pron on it to use it all up in a matter of days. |
| 05:28.33 | somiaj | banga: though maybe some people are still using very cheap/old servivces. |
| 05:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | like prostitution? |
| 05:29.00 | somiaj | though my guess is linux.org is still suffereing from the kernel.org breech |
| 05:29.03 | banga | somiaj: true, i didn't think of that. Yeah most new hosts would just charge you overages |
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| 05:33.18 | banga | ok fixed my prob. i found the UTC setting for the hwclock (it was set to local) and changed with hwclock --adjust --utc, then restarted my syslog |
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| 05:33.23 | banga | all looks good now |
| 05:33.27 | banga | thanks ppl |
| 05:34.56 | arghx | banga: restart cron daemon too, or you might get your jobs run at strange times :) |
| 05:35.17 | banga | aahh thanks |
| 05:35.29 | banga | thats how i picked up it wasnt working |
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| 05:35.36 | banga | anything else i should restart? |
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| 05:36.44 | arghx | how should we know what daemons you run? basically: all of them |
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| 05:47.59 | blast_hardcheese | How do I get a python module I'm interested in using packaged? |
| 05:48.45 | blast_hardcheese | Actually, nevermind; I've seen this referenced in the docs somewhere. I'll ask again when I have a more specific question. |
| 05:51.22 | arghx | blast_hardcheese: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+create+package+python and http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/index.html#contents |
| 05:53.57 | blast_hardcheese | arghx: Yep, no excuse for asking a question that could be answered by Google. |
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| 05:56.24 | cardamon | Well, trying the kmuto iinstalller didn't seem to work. |
| 05:56.28 | arghx | blast_hardcheese: I had to google it mysel. I wanted to know if there was a dh-make-python like perl. was very unhappy when I saw there wasn't :( |
| 05:57.48 | arghx | cardamon: the kmuto installer needs a firmware too. and you need wpasupplicant as well probably. personally, I'd download the .debs for the backports kernel and the non-free firmware deb onto some usb stick or such. then put the squeezde CD1 (not netinst!) to the install medium and install from that |
| 05:57.59 | arghx | after installation, install the bpo kernel and the firmware with dpkg -i |
| 05:58.05 | arghx | now you can configure your wlan |
| 05:58.15 | blast_hardcheese | arghx: :( Well, I'll probably just take an existing maintained python package and just tweak it. |
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| 06:01.35 | noonday | how do I setup cups-pdf to let me print to PDF? I already installed the package from the repositories, what do I do next? |
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| 06:03.55 | somiaj | noonday: what are you wanting to 'print to pdf'? |
| 06:05.05 | somiaj | seems like using cups to do that may be overkill in some cases. |
| 06:05.06 | noonday | a webpage from Chromium |
| 06:05.18 | noonday | I don't care about cups, I am willing to use anything |
| 06:05.24 | noonday | as long as it works |
| 06:06.41 | somiaj | noonday: http://www.chromeplugins.org/extensions/convert-web-pages-in-google-chrome-to-high-quality-pdf-files/ -- got that from google. |
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| 06:07.42 | somiaj | actually that seems as over kill |
| 06:08.08 | somiaj | in my install of chromiumum, just goto print -> print to file -> seems to print to pdf by default |
| 06:08.10 | noonday | yeah.. thanks somiaj, thing is I don't even have a printer on my laptop |
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| 06:08.59 | somiaj | either do I, seems as if there is a default print to pdf file |
| 06:09.03 | noonday | somiaj, I am still amazed that some things just work.. like by default |
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| 06:09.19 | noonday | I am used to the idea that you have to set everything up and install and all that |
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| 06:44.31 | Caelum | how do you pause mplayer |
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| 06:44.59 | somiaj | hit space bar if the window has focus |
| 06:44.59 | popkill | Caelum: movie? |
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| 06:45.20 | somiaj | can either be the video window or just the terminal you ran 'mplayer foo' in |
| 06:45.46 | Caelum | thank you! |
| 06:46.05 | Caelum | I'm just listening to an mp3 with it |
| 06:46.33 | somiaj | the same keybindings work. |
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| 06:50.55 | Deesl | phew |
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| 06:53.18 | zykotick9 | Caelum, "p" also works |
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| 07:39.02 | cardamon | I'm back on the same problem. Trying to get my wireless card to run on the livecd so I can do a full install with net access, then copy the driver over to the install when done. |
| 07:39.52 | cardamon | lspci -nn | grep Network \ 03:06.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3062] |
| 07:40.11 | cardamon | I'm told the firemware and drivers are not in squeeze. |
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| 07:44.45 | serafeim | hallo everybody! |
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| 07:45.18 | serafeim | I've just install the latest version of debian and i have network problems |
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| 07:46.22 | cardamon | I can't help you, but I can tell you that you won't get any help without specifics. |
| 07:46.23 | Bushmills | nice. i just made a cup of tea, and added some slivovitz to it |
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| 07:47.43 | serafeim | The message is "device is not ready" |
| 07:48.43 | serafeim | sorry "device not managed" |
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| 07:51.06 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 07:51.06 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 07:51.13 | plorky | how can i restore a specific file to default |
| 07:51.38 | cardamon | plorky: You want to what? |
| 07:51.48 | plorky | restore a config file from its package |
| 07:52.11 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.15 | cardamon | delete the config and reinstall the package. |
| 07:52.56 | cardamon | Or, in lieu of that for fear of breaking something, mv the config then reinstall the package. |
| 07:53.11 | cardamon | If it works, yay, if it works worse, mv the config back and try something else. |
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| 07:54.48 | plorky | hmm didnt work |
| 07:55.08 | plorky | i did reinstall but i dont have /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 07:55.22 | cardamon | Run the program. |
| 07:55.24 | cardamon | Once. |
| 07:55.27 | cardamon | Then check. |
| 07:56.01 | cardamon | Most programs that don't come with configs but do not require you to create one, yet still wind up with one, create them themselves. |
| 07:56.03 | Bushmills | nginx-common contains that file |
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| 07:56.39 | RandomCake | Hi, I'm stuck performing an upgrade "libc6: Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.2-10) but 2.13-21 is installed", but haven't a clue on how to resolve it, and Googling hasn't been much help :S I'm running testing |
| 07:56.39 | plorky | thx |
| 07:57.20 | Bushmills | ,versions libc6 |
| 07:57.20 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 07:57.39 | Bushmills | why is there 2.13.21 installed? |
| 07:57.51 | plorky | what the hell it sitll didnt come |
| 07:57.54 | plorky | bushmills |
| 07:59.32 | Bushmills | ah. testing, well, seems you need the libs from stable |
| 07:59.56 | Bushmills | how about installing whatever you were about to install on a stable installation, which provides the required libs? |
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| 08:01.50 | plorky | damn |
| 08:01.52 | RandomCake | so, I need to downgrade to stable? |
| 08:02.02 | Bushmills | !downgrade |
| 08:02.02 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 08:02.10 | cardamon | Bushmills: Beat me to it. |
| 08:02.40 | Bushmills | lagger :) |
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| 08:03.57 | RandomCake | okay, so if I needed to, I need to switch to stable and wait until it catches up to the point of testing now :P |
| 08:04.23 | Bushmills | stable won't "catch up" |
| 08:04.39 | Bushmills | it will become oldstable when wheezy goes stable |
| 08:04.51 | syslq | !apt |
| 08:04.51 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 08:04.51 | plorky | how do i list all files of installed packages |
| 08:05.02 | syslq | Wow, nice : |
| 08:05.09 | Bushmills | dpkg -L |
| 08:05.09 | dpkg | wish i knew, Bushmills |
| 08:05.13 | cardamon | Anyone want to help me get the wireless working on this live install? I have a box, which is not the one I'm speaking to you on, with nothing on it, and no physical ethernet, nor is it an option. I have the Debian Squeeze LXDE liveCD running on it, but the wireless needs drivers and firmware, I think, from testing. I've found the .deb with the firmware, but I don't know what the driver is. |
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| 08:06.38 | plorky | ok it is in nginx-common |
| 08:06.47 | plorky | how can i extract it, it is no installing |
| 08:08.15 | arghx | cardamon: you have a rt2800, no? |
| 08:08.31 | arghx | cardamon: and if you do, what is the output of uname -r? |
| 08:08.38 | cardamon | arghx: I'm not exactly sure. |
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| 08:08.49 | arghx | cardamon: lspci -nn to check what you have |
| 08:09.06 | cardamon | 03:06.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3062] |
| 08:09.19 | arghx | ,pciid 1814:3062 |
| 08:09.20 | judd | [1814:3062] is 'Unknown device' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3062 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 08:09.30 | plorky | :~# dpkg -L nginx-common|grep 'nginx\.conf' && apt-get --reinstall install nginx-common 2>&1 >/dev/null && ls -l /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 08:09.33 | plorky | /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 08:09.35 | plorky | ls: cannot access /etc/nginx/nginx.conf: No such file or directory |
| 08:09.36 | arghx | cardamon: and which kernel version? |
| 08:09.47 | cardamon | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:10.27 | arghx | cardamon: you need a different kernel. which is kinda hard to do on a live cd. do you want to run debian proper on this hardware or do you want to only run live cds? |
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| 08:11.26 | stefuNz | hi. i'm trying to run xbmc without window manager using this tutorial: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux#Add_a_new_init_script ⦠when testing with /etc/init.d/xbmc start on debian squeeze it shows my mouse cursor for a few seconds and then returns to the console. this is my xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/dxj4wcee ⦠why isn't it starting ? |
| 08:11.27 | Bushmills | plorky: you can unpack an archiv with ar -x. you can also use mc to copy a file from archiv directly to destination |
| 08:11.28 | cardamon | arghx: Debian proper. |
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| 08:11.37 | stefuNz | i changed DAEMON_OPTS to " /usr/bin/xbmc-standalone -- :0" |
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| 08:12.10 | plorky | Bushmills: hmm i dont know where my deb files are |
| 08:12.13 | cardamon | arghx: Now, what I do have a disk from the manufacturer with the source and a makefile for a driver |
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| 08:12.56 | arghx | cardamon: then as I told you: get a CD1 (all 700MB of it), and install it. no network necessary. then after that, download go to packages.debian.org. from there you can download a backports kernel which has the drivers you need. and the non-free firmware you need too. copy them onto a usb stick or such and mount that on the new debian. install the 2 packages with dpkg -i and reboot. now your wlan chip is working |
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| 08:13.37 | arghx | cardamon: you can check if the live cd comes with the kernel headers and a C compiler. gcc -v for a start to check for the compiler |
| 08:13.54 | cardamon | arghx: The live has the d-i...isn't that the same thing/ |
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| 08:14.04 | plorky | Bushmills: thx found them |
| 08:14.17 | plorky | Bushmills: fixed it...why wouldnt ti replace the file |
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| 08:15.18 | arghx | cardamon: not necessarily. you can try of course. I said to use CD1 cause that ships with wpasupplicant |
| 08:15.37 | arghx | if your live cd can install wpasupplicant without any internet access, it's fine |
| 08:15.52 | arghx | !tell plorky about confmiss |
| 08:15.52 | cardamon | arghx: No gcc, but yes on wpasupplicant |
| 08:15.55 | arghx | plorky: that's why |
| 08:16.21 | arghx | cardamon: then install frm this live cd and copy over the backports kernel and the firmware like I said |
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| 08:17.48 | cardamon | arghx: Will do. |
| 08:20.48 | Bushmills | plorky: because whining would be intense if every upgrade replaced user customized configs |
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| 08:26.45 | cardamon | What's the guideline for swap partitioning? |
| 08:27.01 | cardamon | I have 8GB of ram on this system, and space to spare. |
| 08:27.12 | arghx | is it a laptop you want to hibernate? |
| 08:27.17 | Bushmills | mine is "not too much swap" |
| 08:27.19 | cardamon | It's a desktop. |
| 08:27.28 | Bushmills | "better RAM than swap" |
| 08:27.31 | arghx | a GB max or none or a swap file |
| 08:27.54 | cardamon | I do plan to run a VM or two on it. |
| 08:28.43 | Bushmills | you want to run them in RAM, not in swap |
| 08:28.49 | arghx | and those VMs need how much RAM? |
| 08:29.13 | cardamon | I don't know. |
| 08:29.22 | arghx | and as Bushmills said: no point running them in swap. if they make you need swap, use allocated too much RAM for them |
| 08:29.24 | cardamon | First time I've made a machine capable of this. |
| 08:29.49 | arghx | if you run a VM, you want to run programs inside them. which means you know how much RAM you need (enough for said programs) |
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| 08:30.28 | cardamon | Alright. Is ext4 still the preferred partition type? |
| 08:30.41 | arghx | yes |
| 08:30.42 | Bushmills | ext4 is not a partition type |
| 08:30.51 | Bushmills | it is a file system |
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| 08:33.45 | rly | Is there some webbased (but locally installable version) of a program to keep track of turn around, profits, etc. for Debian? |
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| 08:35.29 | Bushmills | something like sql-ledger? |
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| 08:37.00 | rly | Bushmills: yes, something like that. |
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| 08:38.10 | Bushmills | rly: then "yes, there is" |
| 08:39.57 | rly | . It's known |
| 08:39.58 | rly | to be affected by multiple SQL injections and similar problems. See |
| 08:40.00 | rly | the README.Debian file for more information. |
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| 08:40.03 | rly | Excellent! |
| 08:41.43 | arghx | rly: then don't run it on anything remotely accessible |
| 08:42.07 | stefuNz | hey. i'm trying to "Xorg -configure" with my i5 integrated graphics (driver seems to be installed and working) but it gives me this error message: http://pastebin.com/DMGYph2T ⦠what did i do wrong ? |
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| 08:42.53 | arghx | stefuNz: there is no need to do this |
| 08:43.01 | arghx | stefuNz: what debian do you run? |
| 08:43.09 | stefuNz | squeeze |
| 08:43.19 | stefuNz | and i installed xorg and kernel from backports |
| 08:43.32 | arghx | then nothing else is necessary. no xorg.conf needed |
| 08:43.42 | cardamon | crap |
| 08:43.45 | cardamon | that's not good |
| 08:43.52 | stefuNz | hm? |
| 08:44.08 | cardamon | "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/." |
| 08:44.27 | arghx | !tell cardamon about fixgrub |
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| 08:45.03 | cardamon | arghx: even when it does it during the install? |
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| 08:45.20 | stefuNz | arghx: well ok ⦠then i try to figure out why xbmc without window manager crashes after initializing xorg ⦠|
| 08:46.01 | cardamon | It's like the installer's stuck in a loop now. |
| 08:46.48 | arghx | stefuNz: ~/.xsession-error* |
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| 08:46.56 | cardamon | Clicking "Continue without boot loader brings me to the same mmenu" |
| 08:47.21 | arghx | cardamon: restart |
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| 08:47.57 | cardamon | arghx: Into the livecd? |
| 08:47.59 | stefuNz | arghx: there's no file like this |
| 08:48.01 | cardamon | Or a rescue? |
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| 08:49.25 | Jano | who wants to chat with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:50.10 | stefuNz | arghx: glxinfo throws "Error: unable to open display" |
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| 08:57.53 | cardamon | Does the installer do anything after it attempts to write in grub? |
| 08:57.55 | humle91 | hey i got a issue with a newly installed debian 6, my mouse cursor keeps on dissapering after 1 or 2 minutes :S i tried googling, but just came with a lot of links about nvidia drivers, and i got an ATI one |
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| 09:00.11 | arghx | cardamon: afaik all it then does is running tasksel. which you can do later as well so no harm |
| 09:00.30 | arghx | humle91: and which ati and which driver? |
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| 09:00.46 | thedoctar | hi |
| 09:01.08 | humle91 | arghx i got a ati mobile hd 5670 i think |
| 09:01.13 | humle91 | dunno what drier it installed |
| 09:01.16 | humle91 | guessing the default one |
| 09:01.33 | arghx | humle91: check with lscpi. and for the driver: check your Xorg.0.log. it's either "radeon" or "fglrx" |
| 09:01.51 | arghx | humle91: do you have hybrid graphics? |
| 09:01.54 | amphi | pray it's the former ;) |
| 09:02.19 | arghx | amphi: actually no :P |
| 09:02.29 | humle91 | oh wait |
| 09:02.32 | humle91 | wrong maxhince |
| 09:02.34 | humle91 | machine |
| 09:02.41 | humle91 | its a nvidia gefore 8500. |
| 09:02.46 | humle91 | old ass card lol |
| 09:03.01 | humle91 | about 5 years old or so |
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| 09:03.29 | arghx | try the nvidia drivers then |
| 09:03.47 | arghx | !tekk humle91 about nvidia dkms |
| 09:03.54 | arghx | !tell humle91 about nvidia dkms |
| 09:05.03 | humle91 | yeah that makes no sense to me lol |
| 09:05.34 | arghx | what doesn't? |
| 09:05.54 | humle91 | whats DFSG ? |
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| 09:07.11 | calculon_ | I have a problem |
| 09:07.25 | calculon_ | I got "Can't open /dev/sda2 exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" with lvm2 |
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| 09:11.38 | calculon_ | what to do? |
| 09:11.42 | calculon_ | ^) |
| 09:12.53 | zykotick9 | !tell humle91 about dfsg |
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| 09:14.55 | cardamon | I keep trying to cat the debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso to my flash drive and it keeps hanging. |
| 09:15.04 | humle91 | hmm, now my internet isnt working on the machinve lol |
| 09:15.13 | humle91 | after i did a reboot |
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| 09:16.25 | vyadhaka | anyone using GPT with BIOS? |
| 09:17.21 | serafeim | I have moved from ubuntu-firefox to debian-iceweasel. Does anyone know how to move all my data including bookmarks, addons, passwords etc. |
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| 09:18.04 | arghx | !tell vyadhaka about anyone |
| 09:19.06 | vyadhaka | is the following partition scheme right for GPT on a BIOS system: http://paste.debian.net/136950/ |
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| 09:23.07 | humle91 | got a problem here saying, that my network isnt activated, seems weird since i installed debian with a netinstall |
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| 09:24.57 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 09:24.57 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 09:27.29 | Kosma | kuznetzvo: if ifup/ifdown doesn't work for you, check dmesg; you may be missing some firmware |
| 09:27.41 | humle91 | it worked just 2 seconds ago |
| 09:27.46 | humle91 | i did a update and now it doesnt |
| 09:28.23 | micke | serafeim: all that should in your ~/.mozilla/ |
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| 09:31.29 | Kosma | what packages/configuration do I need to display Chinese fonts properly? |
| 09:31.57 | Kosma | I'm running wheezy with default font set + microsoft fonts |
| 09:31.59 | themill | humle91: what did you update then? |
| 09:33.16 | micke | humle91: is this wifi or wired? |
| 09:34.47 | Bushmills | update of what? |
| 09:34.50 | humle91 | wired |
| 09:34.58 | humle91 | i just did an apt-get update |
| 09:35.00 | humle91 | apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:35.13 | themill | humle91: and what packages did you upgrade? |
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| 09:35.24 | humle91 | dunno, wasnt watching, was alot i think |
| 09:35.33 | themill | there are logs |
| 09:35.38 | serafeim | humle91: Is there a messange "Device not managed"? |
| 09:35.48 | Bushmills | debian stable? that's security upgrades only |
| 09:35.58 | themill | Bushmills: and point releases... |
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| 09:36.14 | thedoctar | hey, is there any support for nvidia optimus in debian? |
| 09:36.19 | humle91 | no, just a message saying network isnt activated |
| 09:36.57 | thedoctar | so i can't use debian on a system with nvidia optimus |
| 09:37.05 | Bushmills | thedoctar: there's bumblebee, which is not in debian. but recent kernels have vga_switcheroo support compiled in |
| 09:37.57 | thedoctar | Bushmills: yeh, i know of bumblebee, but isn't that for ubuntu? thought isn't ubuntu based on debian? and what's vga_switcheroo |
| 09:38.00 | Bushmills | bumblebee is available packaged for debian though, somewhere |
| 09:38.41 | Bushmills | vga_switcheroo allows you to en- or disable, and switch video controllers |
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| 09:38.53 | thedoctar | would it work equally as well on debian compared to ubuntu |
| 09:39.18 | Bushmills | can't tell. i only know of the debian-packaged version of bumblebee |
| 09:39.28 | thedoctar | mmk |
| 09:39.32 | arghx | thedoctar: vgaswitcheroo is there with testing and debian backports. bumblebee is not supported by anyone, not by ubuntu, fedora or debian |
| 09:39.45 | arghx | Bushmills: debian packaged as in sid or teting? |
| 09:39.47 | themill | humle91: please help us help you by providing details. There's not "just a message", there's a particular program displaying a message. |
| 09:40.04 | Bushmills | "debian-packaged" means *for* debian, not *by* debian |
| 09:40.26 | arghx | Bushmills: debian packaged means "packaged by debian" aka in repos |
| 09:40.28 | humle91 | themill i just get an icon in the upper right corner of my screen, saying network isnt activated, i dunno where i could find any network logs |
| 09:40.57 | thedoctar | does vga_switcheroo allow switching cards while running debian or just before startup |
| 09:41.01 | Bushmills | not sure. google for debumblebee |
| 09:41.21 | themill | humle91: great. we at least now know that you're talking about a graphical app ... |
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| 09:41.39 | arghx | thedoctar: while running debian obviously since it's a setting inside the linux kernel. but before X starts |
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| 09:44.43 | humle91 | hehe yeah |
| 09:46.19 | t3i | I found an interesting thing between deb and ubu. with basically identical software installed, memory usage jumps about with ubu but remains stable in deb. screenshots here: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7979420/1/deb_vs_ubu?h=6e6674 , other than ubu being crap, what is happening here? |
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| 09:46.49 | thedoctar | t3i: why woudl that be? |
| 09:46.51 | Bushmills | debian probably remains stable because there's no reason to change memory usage |
| 09:47.00 | cardamon | Okay, finaally got the installer working like I want. |
| 09:47.02 | Bushmills | for why ubuntu changes, you may want to ask them |
| 09:47.58 | t3i | Bushmills: i've got cron jobns running to hit the webserver on both |
| 09:48.04 | xingu | looking for the most debianly-elegant way to set the default block scheduler if anyone has any clues; I have hdd+sdd setup, and lvm-on-dm-crypt setup. |
| 09:48.08 | t3i | Bushmills: ok thanks |
| 09:48.19 | t3i | their IRC room is crap too |
| 09:48.29 | Bushmills | tell them, not us |
| 09:48.52 | xingu | ideally I'd like to glop the block device uuid and use that as a key in case the bus scan order blips the block names around. |
| 09:48.53 | cardamon | As I understand the philosophy, it's simple. New features are not as important as reliability of existing ones. Hence the stable release cycle. Unless there's a critical need to change something, they leave it alone until they've had a chance to make sure everything plays nice. |
| 09:49.10 | cardamon | Of course, I might be entirely wrong. |
| 09:49.26 | cardamon | But it's a view I at least can understand. |
| 09:49.35 | ursa_minor_beta | hi there, someone firm with /etc/modprobe.d/arch? |
| 09:49.42 | Kosma | xingu: basename $(readlink /dev/disk/by-uuid/f656b69f-5d51-43bd-8f8c-e77ac715cf91) |
| 09:49.42 | Bushmills | mostly right. "...they leave it alone period" |
| 09:49.55 | Kosma | xingu: not the most elegant way, but shouldn't break |
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| 09:50.13 | Bushmills | "until they've had a chance" goes into the next release |
| 09:50.17 | xingu | Kosma: yeah, I was hoping to not have to write it myself, and that there might be an initscript/sys defaults file that did that for me ;) |
| 09:51.21 | cardamon | It's a philosophy used by IT departments the world round. |
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| 09:51.55 | Kosma | xingu: the most beautiful way would be via udev probably |
| 09:52.22 | xingu | Kosma: yep, I can see that; hook into the hotplug event for the block device itself, go look up its uuid, then set policy from some hash |
| 09:52.23 | Kosma | ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{queue/rotational}=="0", ATTR{queue/scheduler}="noop" |
| 09:52.40 | xingu | Kosma: or even simpler, just learn the block dev uuid's a'la netdev init |
| 09:53.02 | Kosma | xingu: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/22605 - I think this is what you're trying to accomplish |
| 09:53.06 | xingu | Kosma: then whack the policy statements right there in z60foo |
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| 09:53.30 | xingu | Kosma: thanks, that's perfect |
| 09:53.34 | xingu | very elegant. |
| 09:53.45 | Kosma | I think I'm gonna add this to udev too |
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| 09:54.05 | Kosma | it's just too beautiful |
| 09:54.07 | xingu | Kosma: nb the dm targets also seem to have an iosched |
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| 09:55.40 | cardamon | Okay, I'm into my new system, and need to get wifi working, which means getting a kernel from wheezy and the firmware-ralink .deb, transferring over with on usb, and installing them. |
| 09:55.46 | Kosma | xingu: cat /sys/block/dm-0/queue/rotational |
| 09:55.51 | Bushmills | !kmuto |
| 09:55.51 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 09:55.57 | Kosma | there's a good probability they actually inherit it |
| 09:56.16 | xingu | Kosma: =1 by the looks; however I think something in lvm-land is setting them already (to none) |
| 09:56.19 | cardamon | I don't want an image. |
| 09:56.53 | cardamon | I had a nightmare trying to get the USB key working. I think I've taken 5 years off its life. |
| 09:57.02 | Kosma | xingu: actually, it's not possible to change the scheduler for LVM to anything other than none |
| 09:57.03 | cardamon | I have a fresh install. |
| 09:57.10 | xingu | Kosma: inter... yeah, that. :) |
| 09:57.14 | cardamon | I need a wheezy kernel. |
| 09:57.26 | Kosma | yay |
| 09:57.37 | xingu | ok so rotational=0 hook in udev hits this where it needs hitting, perfect. |
| 09:57.40 | Bushmills | ah right .. weren't you the person who refused make-kpkg because for something as simple as compiling a kernel one wouldn't need any tools? |
| 09:57.45 | Kosma | I've switched back to Debian after 3 years of using Ubuntu |
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| 09:57.58 | cardamon | Bushmills: Moot point. GCC wasn't on the liveCD. |
| 09:58.08 | Kosma | and well. nothing works out of the box and that's just amazing |
| 09:58.15 | Kosma | getting back the joy of hacking :) |
| 09:58.24 | Bushmills | seems my memory didn't fail me then :) |
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| 09:58.46 | xingu | Kosma: I'll probably set deadline in this instance; permitting sorting/re-ordering is beneficial for my workload |
| 09:59.17 | xingu | thanks again for the link |
| 10:00.03 | Kosma | xingu: btw, "If you look at block/cfq-iosched.c, you'll see a few calls to blk_queue_nonrot() that "do the right thing" if they drive is non-rotational- idling is skipped, seektime is adjusted, etc. So there is no need for these changes to be an Arch default." |
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| 10:02.09 | xingu | looks |
| 10:02.21 | Kosma | xingu: also, http://www.whizzy.org/2011/08/noop-scheduler-not-worth-it-for-ssd/ |
| 10:03.01 | Kosma | (it's a benchmark, approach with a grain of salt) |
| 10:03.23 | xingu | Kosma: there's other benefits to using deadline over cfq; it was actually those that I was after, but it's good to see a comprehensive shootdown of cargo-cult-isms. :) |
| 10:04.08 | xingu | Kosma: specifically in this case (where the block layer is receiving io from lvm-o-dmcrypt case) |
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| 10:04.44 | xingu | Kosma: sqllite generates interesting io patterns. :) |
| 10:04.52 | Kosma | xingu: if you're using dmcrypt, you may consider patching it to enable TRIM passthrough |
| 10:05.12 | Kosma | it's slightly less secure, but good for your SSD |
| 10:05.40 | cardamon | Okay, I think I've figured out what I need, and what I need is the kernel from wheezy. Once I have that, along with the firmware I already have, I will be able to configure my wifi. |
| 10:06.07 | cardamon | What I do not quite understand is HOW to get that kernel when I cannot access the net on the target machine without that kernel. |
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| 10:06.46 | xingu | Kosma: yep; until that one goes into mainline I've just been underprovisioning the partition so that garbage collection cycle vs available spare area fits the workload |
| 10:07.39 | cardamon | Is there a single deb in package.debian.org I can download? Or possibly a tutorial on getting the sources and compiling the kernel by hand? |
| 10:07.41 | xingu | so far so good, even when the partition's full I'm still at 90-95% of freshly-erased write perf. |
| 10:08.53 | Kosma | xingu: what do you mean by underprovisioning? |
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| 10:09.40 | omid8bimo | brb |
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| 10:10.10 | xingu | Kosma: partition is around 60% of flash size |
| 10:10.42 | Kosma | I can't afford it :D |
| 10:11.15 | Kosma | SSD space is so precious to me that I actually ditched LVM and just made one big partition on it |
| 10:11.22 | xingu | nods |
| 10:11.38 | cardamon | Wheezy kernel. Me want. Have no net on target. Fire bad. Mrrrrgh. |
| 10:12.41 | ompaul | cardamon: why the kernel |
| 10:12.55 | cardamon | Would backports be the answer? I mean, honestly, I'm either looking for a .deb I can install or a source I can compile, right? |
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| 10:13.11 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 10:13.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 10:13.25 | cardamon | ompaul: Because the driver I need for wifi is in 2.6.33 or better. |
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| 10:13.39 | cardamon | And I have no net on the target without wifi. |
| 10:13.40 | ompaul | so backports works for you then |
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| 10:14.04 | cardamon | ompaul: Moot point. I'm going to upgrade the whole box to wheezy anyway once I'm able to. |
| 10:15.13 | cardamon | ompaul: It's all because of my need for rt2800pci |
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| 10:15.34 | ompaul | cardamon: I had the bot tell us what kernels were available you asked for 33 or better therefore backports is consistent with your request what you do after that is your own choice ;-) |
| 10:15.42 | sweb | i want to copy without asking overwrite ? |
| 10:15.47 | sweb | how can i use cp command ? |
| 10:15.57 | cardamon | sweb: man cp |
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| 10:16.17 | sweb | cardamon, there is no option give me an option not using man |
| 10:16.19 | jelly-home | sweb: and please don't ask the same question in multiple channels |
| 10:16.44 | jelly-home | esp. when you have not answered further queries in that other place |
| 10:16.49 | sweb | jelly-home, it's a simple question how can i overwrite all files during copy |
| 10:17.36 | xingu | re-lmbench's |
| 10:17.37 | jelly-home | sweb: man cp gives you a forcing option. |
| 10:17.47 | jelly-home | sweb: have you tried it? |
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| 10:18.14 | Kosma | I've just found a foolproof universal method for getting anything I need work on Debian. |
| 10:18.25 | cardamon | What's pae stand for? |
| 10:18.33 | jelly-home | !tell cardamon about pae |
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| 10:18.51 | jelly-home | !tell cardamon about 686-pae |
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| 10:18.56 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.00 | Kosma | The method is: fire up Ubuntu livecd on a virtual machine, see how they did it, copy |
| 10:19.15 | Kosma | sweb: you have cp aliased. use /bin/cp instead |
| 10:19.32 | khaard | anyone had successfully ran ies4linux @ wine1.2 / 1.3 ? |
| 10:19.39 | jelly-home | <jelly-home> sweb: is output of "touch a b; cp a b; rm a b" different from "touch a b; \cp a b; rm a b" ? |
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| 10:20.36 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.01 | PerfDave | Kosma: That doesn't sound very foolproof to me. |
| 10:21.44 | jelly-home | sweb: that's not what I asked, can you pastebin the exact commands and output you tried? The reason I'm asking this is I want to see whether you have an alias in place. |
| 10:21.45 | cardamon | Is there a deb somewhere where that has the kernel in it? |
| 10:22.05 | jelly-home | cardamon: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:22.46 | cardamon | jelly-home: Put the kernel on a USB drive, unplug that drive, plug that drive into my machine that needs the kernel to get working internet, and install that kernel. |
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| 10:23.27 | jelly-home | cardamon: you can get to the download link for single packages off http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 10:25.25 | cardamon | jelly-home: Yes, but finding the kernel I want is proving more difficult, as there does not seem to be a packaing simply named kernel-3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 10:25.27 | jelly-home | cardamon: or you could use a livecd with working internet, mount your debian root someplace, chroot into it and configure backports.debian.org and get kernel with apt/aptitude |
| 10:26.07 | jelly-home | cardamon: linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae (might be linux-image-3.0.0-2-686-pae by now) |
| 10:27.10 | jelly-home | cardamon: if you're using squeeze, you'll probably have easier time installing 2.6.39 from squeeze-backports |
| 10:27.25 | jelly-home | !tell sweb about pastebin |
| 10:27.52 | cardamon | jelly-home: Even the wheezy live image was unable to do the same thing. |
| 10:28.01 | cardamon | It needs more than just the kernel. |
| 10:28.25 | ursa_minor_beta | can someone tell please me how to get the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/arch in squeeze? arch isn't there and i'm wondering why -_- |
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| 10:28.37 | cardamon | I'm moving the whole thing to wheezy anyway. |
| 10:28.39 | cardamon | As I stated. |
| 10:28.45 | cardamon | ten minutes ago. |
| 10:29.24 | jelly-home | cardamon: well, get your firmware from p.d.o as well |
| 10:29.35 | jelly-home | assuming that's the "more" bit |
| 10:30.18 | jelly-home | cardamon: firmware-ralink |
| 10:30.27 | cardamon | So which package do I get from backports? |
| 10:30.33 | cardamon | jelly-home: Already have it. |
| 10:30.35 | cardamon | Package linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 ? |
| 10:31.19 | jelly-home | yes |
| 10:31.21 | cardamon | I'd assumed a kernel package might actually say the word "kernel" in its name. |
| 10:31.24 | cardamon | Silly me. |
| 10:31.42 | jelly-home | cardamon: Debian now has more than Linux kernels. |
| 10:32.14 | cardamon | Does that make it stop being a kernel? |
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| 10:32.34 | jelly-home | no, it makes the package name ambiguous |
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| 10:32.51 | jelly-home | thus the kernel-image -> linux-image rename |
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| 10:34.59 | Bushmills | it has "linux" in its name |
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| 10:35.41 | Bushmills | it also happens to be a program, and doesn't have "program" in the name |
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| 10:36.52 | EyesIsMine | It appears GNOME broke on login for me |
| 10:37.14 | EyesIsMine | I can't log in, just gives me errors, but I know it's the correct password, i'm using it on ssh |
| 10:37.23 | ov3rmind | anybody can known if the debian kernel image for amd64 have the firmware for amd-ucode compiled or i have to rebuild the kernel package using instructions on the debian kernel handbook part, or is some i compile one vanila kernel.... |
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| 10:37.44 | Bushmills | start gnome through startx, or through an X term from display manager login |
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| 10:37.50 | Bushmills | see what it complains about |
| 10:37.58 | EyesIsMine | It's already started |
| 10:38.06 | EyesIsMine | I'm currently stuck at the unlock screen |
| 10:39.06 | Bushmills | well, just a suggestion |
| 10:40.06 | EyesIsMine | yes |
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| 10:40.14 | EyesIsMine | lemme kill -9 it |
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| 10:43.03 | EyesIsMine | Yeah, I killed X, and I screwed it up |
| 10:43.33 | boudiccas | EyesIsMine; reboot and try again |
| 10:43.40 | EyesIsMine | :-( rebooting |
| 10:43.57 | EyesIsMine | Okay, trying |
| 10:44.20 | jelly-home | ov3rmind: do amd processors require external microcode to work, these days? |
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| 10:45.01 | ov3rmind | to enable alll funcionality over new amd vision tecnology |
| 10:45.49 | ov3rmind | i already planing rebuild the kernel packages from source |
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| 10:46.18 | ov3rmind | under gento this works fine |
| 10:46.24 | EyesIsMine | There, gdm3 is booting up again |
| 10:46.46 | boudiccas | ov3rmind; debian is not gentoo, and cant be compared to it |
| 10:46.57 | ov3rmind | i known |
| 10:47.01 | EyesIsMine | Now it's hanging with just a mouse in the middile of the screen |
| 10:47.01 | ov3rmind | excuse |
| 10:47.05 | EyesIsMine | Orrr. not |
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| 10:47.35 | EyesIsMine | yeah, must uninstall freevo now |
| 10:47.58 | EyesIsMine | Got in |
| 10:48.03 | ov3rmind | but the performance on one amd64 cpu ddepends that use of the correct firmware |
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| 10:48.53 | EyesIsMine | Also, why does debian re-generate /etc/motd every restart |
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| 10:50.21 | hanibana | hi, what's the difference between these two versions?! 1.0.5-1 and 1.0.5-1+lenny1 |
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| 10:51.05 | hanibana | of a same package in two debian systems. |
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| 10:51.48 | themill | hanibana: it's most likely a security update; /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz will tell you what changed. |
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| 10:52.18 | hanibana | yes I see... |
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| 10:53.03 | cardamon | Okay, I've my backports kernel .deb and firmware .deb on the target machine, but it complains when trying to install that it would break initramfs-tools |
| 10:53.19 | cardamon | deconfigureation is not permitted |
| 10:53.48 | cardamon | Should I try --auto-deconfigure, or do I need to go grab a backports initramfs-tools as well? |
| 10:54.00 | themill | and also linux-base |
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| 10:54.45 | themill | ,depends linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae --release squeeze-backports |
| 10:54.47 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 3~), initramfs-tools (>= 0.99~) | linux-initramfs-tool,debconf | debconf-2.0. |
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| 10:55.00 | jelly-home | cardamon: might need to get initramfs-tools from backports as well |
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| 11:01.31 | cardamon | Oh, lovely |
| 11:02.28 | cardamon | I'm in sneaker net dep hell. |
| 11:03.29 | jelly-home | cardamon: you need left and right sneaker, socks are only Recommended |
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| 11:05.49 | cardamon | And for some reason I don't have the right permsissions on my other machine, this one, to write to the usb drive. |
| 11:06.06 | cardamon | I keep having to sudo cp |
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| 11:08.43 | Strelok9 | Hello ! |
| 11:09.19 | Strelok9 | ? |
| 11:10.14 | xand | Strelok9: you were expecting 1,000 hellos? |
| 11:10.32 | Strelok9 | >< |
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| 11:11.44 | Kromgol | Hey, if i were to switch motherboards while using LVM, would i encounter any problems? |
| 11:12.19 | Strelok9 | I have Debian 6.0 ( |
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| 11:12.37 | Kosma | Kromgol: not from LVM, I've successfully moved entire disks between machines |
| 11:13.08 | Kromgol | Kosma: But what happens if for example sda becomes sdb? |
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| 11:13.41 | Kosma | Kromgol: nothing, LVM recognizes PVs using UUIDs |
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| 11:14.05 | Kromgol | Ah right, i forgot UUIDs |
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| 11:14.25 | Kromgol | Might have to change fstab though i guess.. Can't recall if i'd set the UUIDs there |
| 11:14.36 | Kosma | if you're crazy enough you can use a LV as a PV for another LVM |
| 11:14.48 | cardamon | I got rt2860sta loaded now |
| 11:15.03 | Kosma | and it will probably figure things out just nice |
| 11:15.10 | cardamon | What to do now? |
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| 11:15.32 | Kromgol | Kosma: Thanks. |
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| 11:15.58 | Kromgol | I recently got hands on my friends old OEM computer which is quite a nice upgrade of my homeserver, so just switching things out |
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| 11:16.51 | cardamon | Are you kidding me? |
| 11:17.07 | Kosma | Kromgol: the only real oncompatibilies I can think of are video drivers and network interfaces (/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules) |
| 11:17.10 | cardamon | It didn't install any of the net tools, like ifconfig |
| 11:17.29 | Kromgol | Kosma: Video drivers won't be a problem, i don't run X. |
| 11:17.35 | Kromgol | I just use SSH |
| 11:17.46 | Kromgol | Network interfaces will be the same as well i'm guessing. |
| 11:17.53 | Kromgol | As the kernel loads the appropriate drivers |
| 11:18.03 | Kosma | Kromgol: not anymore in the modern Debian systems |
| 11:18.09 | themill | cardamon: ifupdown is in /sbin |
| 11:18.17 | Kromgol | Kosma: Really? :/ |
| 11:18.18 | Kromgol | Why? |
| 11:18.21 | Kosma | Kromgol: nowadays udev hardwires interface names with MAC addresses |
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| 11:18.40 | Kromgol | Sounds like a bad solution. |
| 11:18.41 | Kosma | Kromgol: take a look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 11:18.48 | Kosma | Kromgol: it's the only sensible solution |
| 11:19.00 | Kosma | without it, detection order would actually SWAP network interface names |
| 11:19.20 | Kosma | and it happened to me a brazillion times in the pre-udev era, especially when upgrading |
| 11:19.28 | Kromgol | Ah well. I suck at networking so i guess i will just leave it. |
| 11:19.29 | Kosma | kinda frustrating when your machine is 300 miles away |
| 11:19.33 | Kromgol | But if it causes a problem |
| 11:19.35 | Kromgol | I'll try to solve it |
| 11:19.38 | Kromgol | Hopefully not though. |
| 11:20.00 | themill | Kromgol: /msg dpkg 70; if you delete the entry it will be recreated |
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| 11:20.27 | Kromgol | Thanks themill. |
| 11:20.58 | Kromgol | Should've just went with Arch Linux.. I find it much easier to configure than Debian tbh. |
| 11:21.05 | Kromgol | But can't bother to reinstall |
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| 11:21.45 | edmont | hi |
| 11:21.55 | themill | Kromgol: I'm sure I'd find arch quite difficult to configure, but that's because I've never bothered to find out how. |
| 11:22.10 | edmont | what is the reason tha |
| 11:22.14 | edmont | sorry |
| 11:22.18 | Kromgol | themill: Hah, well, i've never gotten used to how Debian configures some things automatically :P |
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| 11:23.03 | edmont | what is the reason that i have two ethernet cards shown by lspci, but only one eth interface available with ifconfig -a? |
| 11:23.30 | edmont | how can i "activate" the other card? |
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| 11:23.57 | Kosma | edmont: lspci -v, check "Kernel driver in use" for each card |
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| 11:24.24 | edmont | Kosma: one of then has not kernel driver in use |
| 11:24.43 | edmont | Kosma: i installed it after debian installation |
| 11:25.03 | edmont | it is a Realtek 8139 |
| 11:26.07 | Kosma | edmont: try to manually modprobe 8139too |
| 11:26.13 | Kosma | or maybe rmmod then modprobe |
| 11:26.15 | Kosma | and check dmesg |
| 11:26.27 | Kosma | what does it look like on lspci, btw? |
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| 11:28.04 | edmont | Kosma: nothing happens with modprobe |
| 11:28.18 | edmont | no dmesg messages |
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| 11:28.49 | Kosma | edmont: can you show me the relevant lspci line? |
| 11:28.52 | Kosma | with the card? |
| 11:29.29 | edmont | yes, it is in a machine without internet, trying to copy it... |
| 11:30.14 | edmont | Kosma: Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 11:30.17 | Kosma | aah |
| 11:30.19 | Kosma | I knew it. |
| 11:30.24 | Kosma | modprobe 8139cp |
| 11:30.28 | Kosma | it's a rare C+ card |
| 11:30.31 | themill | (the PCI-Id is the most important bit) |
| 11:30.33 | edmont | :) |
| 11:30.35 | Kosma | causes lots of trouble |
| 11:30.42 | Kosma | in that it's blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 11:30.44 | Zharf | at some point dhcp client started to apply the hostname from dhcp server to my laptop, how can I disable this? it's super annoying and forces me to restart X if I want to start new programs after connecting to a new network? |
| 11:31.30 | Zharf | ... |
| 11:31.32 | Kosma | lol |
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| 11:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | go to #python and try that |
| 11:32.38 | edmont | Kosma: still not appearing in ifconfig -a |
| 11:32.50 | Bushmills | Zharf: dhcp client config. change it. |
| 11:33.05 | Zharf | Bushmills, I tried, couldn't figure out what to change |
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| 11:33.27 | Bushmills | something like "request hostname" |
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| 11:33.35 | Kosma | edmont: do a lspci -nn and give me the PCI ID (numbers like [8086:2c81]) |
| 11:33.44 | Zharf | Bushmills, I removed that, had no effect |
| 11:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that on by default? |
| 11:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never seen my hostname change, but maybe there was just never a dhcp server that tried to do it |
| 11:34.23 | Bushmills | maybe it's not the hostname you're after. what's the problem with hostname, which makes you even reboot your system? |
| 11:34.29 | edmont | Kosma: 10ec:919 |
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| 11:34.55 | edmont | Kosma: the thing is that there are like 30 lines in lspci related to this card |
| 11:35.31 | edmont | Kosma: from 05:00.0 to 05:1f.0 |
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| 11:35.36 | themill | edmont: that's not the full pciid |
| 11:36.02 | Kosma | errrr |
| 11:36.04 | Kosma | 30 lines? |
| 11:36.11 | edmont | sorry 10ec:9139 |
| 11:36.18 | Zharf | Bushmills, not reboot the system, jsut restart X... when starting new X programs they can't connect to :0 anymore because of changed hostname (or so I'd assume really...)... at home my dhcp server gives me the same name as my /etc/hostname says (egill) but at my grandparents place and work it's given name like dhcppc1... |
| 11:36.39 | Kosma | edmont: I know it's not the most desired answer, but I would replace it |
| 11:36.46 | Kosma | edmont: 30 lspci entries sounds faulty to me |
| 11:36.49 | hje841 | I just tried 'aptitude install samba' in my squeeze box. but I got an error: |
| 11:36.51 | hje841 | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/update-inetd/update-inetd_4.38+nmu1_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] |
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| 11:36.53 | hje841 | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 11:37.00 | Kosma | edmont: and 8139C+ is known to be problematic |
| 11:37.20 | themill | hje841: "aptitude update" |
| 11:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, hm, I don't see why that should affect programs accessing :0 |
| 11:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the other way around: it shouldnt! |
| 11:37.38 | Kosma | edmont: and network cards are just dirt cheap |
| 11:37.44 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, but it does |
| 11:37.46 | edmont | Kosma: but only one of them shows a PCI ID |
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| 11:38.09 | edmont | Kosma: the problem is that i should get it working by today, and it is sunday |
| 11:38.23 | Kosma | edmont: I can't help much without seeing entire dmesg, lspci -nn and lspci -vv |
| 11:38.24 | edmont | everything is closed here |
| 11:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, seems you're right... |
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| 11:39.36 | Kosma | edmont: and modinfo 8139too and modinfo 8139cp |
| 11:39.49 | hje841 | themill: thanks. but now I got some more errors http://pastebin.com/2XNCp9Q3 |
| 11:40.07 | themill | grrr pastebin.com |
| 11:40.31 | hje841 | you got a different paste bin? |
| 11:40.34 | edmont | Kosma: give me 5 min... |
| 11:40.37 | Kosma | edmont: ok |
| 11:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, it's the default of pastebinit! file a bug! |
| 11:41.01 | themill | hje841: pastebin.com makes us fill in a captcha to see your pastebin. paste.debian.net does not. (and don't get us started on pastebinnit...) |
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| 11:41.16 | Bushmills | Zharf: after removing host-name from request list, does hostname still change after dhcp request? |
| 11:41.26 | themill | hje841: do you have /tmp mounted noexec? |
| 11:41.46 | hje841 | themill: oh.. I just installed it as an extension to Chrome |
| 11:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? doesn't make me fill a captcha |
| 11:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, have you been a bad boy at pastebin.com? |
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| 11:42.19 | hje841 | themill: yes it is |
| 11:42.23 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: I think after one or two people fill the captcha it disables it for that paste |
| 11:42.28 | themill | dpkg: tell hje841 about tmp noexec |
| 11:42.50 | themill | hje841: dpkg doesn't like that, you need to remount before and after (or tell dpkg to use a different tmp) |
| 11:43.11 | boudiccas | themill; dpkg isnt running atm |
| 11:43.27 | themill | eh? |
| 11:43.37 | boudiccas | it died at 1205 |
| 11:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's there |
| 11:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, hi |
| 11:44.05 | dpkg | que tal, cutmeownthroat |
| 11:44.08 | themill | dpkg, slap boudiccas |
| 11:44.22 | boudiccas | i sit corrected! |
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| 11:44.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... the bot's too polite |
| 11:44.51 | themill | boudiccas: it restarts on cron at that time every day (± daylight saving time) |
| 11:44.54 | hje841 | how do I reconfigure samba after that thingy? |
| 11:45.08 | themill | hje841: "aptitude install" should be enough |
| 11:45.14 | boudiccas | themill; i saw it die but didnt see it restart |
| 11:45.32 | Zharf | Bushmills, seems like it didn't anymore, I'm pretty sure it did in the past and I didn't have time to be bothered by it... maybe some change updated it, I removed it, rebooted my box to get my original hostname back and connected to the network... seemed to have not changed my hostname anymore |
| 11:45.48 | Zharf | Bushmills, well thanks for the interest and help |
| 11:46.00 | Bushmills | does that affect your ability to start X clients now? |
| 11:46.18 | Zharf | no |
| 11:46.30 | hje841 | themill: according to http://www.debianadmin.com/file-server-configuration-in-debian-using-samba.html I would need more steps to set up during the installation. |
| 11:46.32 | hje841 | but I only got as far as to set the workgroup |
| 11:46.35 | Zharf | everyt... most things are fine now ;) |
| 11:47.01 | Bushmills | i suppose you still had a dhclient in RAM running then |
| 11:47.25 | themill | hje841: ahh -- "dpkg-reconfigure samba" will get you the rest of those steps. You still need to let aptitude finish the rest of the configuration of the other packages though with "aptitude install" |
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| 11:49.31 | edmont | Kosma: now, what you need? |
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| 11:50.34 | Kosma | edmont: everything |
| 11:50.42 | edmont | Kosma: hahaha, now it's working :) |
| 11:50.47 | edmont | i dont know how |
| 11:51.00 | Kosma | edmont: lspci -v, check the driver now |
| 11:52.03 | edmont | Kosma: this is lspci http://pastebin.com/uv401bcH |
| 11:52.24 | edmont | 05:1f.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 255 I/O ports at ac00 [size=256] Memory at e0801e00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: 8139too |
| 11:53.14 | Kosma | edmont: add modprobe 8139too to rc.local |
| 11:53.25 | Kosma | edmont: and if the problems return, just replace it |
| 11:53.29 | edmont | Kosma: but it worked after restarting |
| 11:53.36 | Kosma | ah |
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| 11:53.48 | Kosma | this multiple occurence could (possibly) be card loose in the slot |
| 11:53.52 | Kosma | or dirty contacts |
| 11:54.27 | edmont | Kosma: yes, actually the card is not very well connected |
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| 11:55.47 | edmont | Kosma: i needed a riser card but i got one shorter than needed and now it is crooked |
| 11:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, I don't understand that... shouldn't go accesses to ":0" go via localhost? |
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| 11:58.03 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, I have no idea what caused the problem, but then X is a freaking mess and in dire need of a redesign and reimplementation |
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| 11:59.35 | PerfDave | CutMeOwnThroat: No, accesses to :0 go via a UNIX domain socket |
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| 12:00.29 | xand | debian 6 (well, new gdm) has moved .Xauthority which has caused me issues with X |
| 12:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | PerfDave, yes... I see that... but my point was... why the hell does it use the hostname if DISPLAY=:0 |
| 12:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | if any, it should use "localhost" on the current machine |
| 12:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it shouldn't use it at all |
| 12:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | xand, yes... like finding your magic cookie got a lot harder |
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| 12:02.23 | xand | I got round it with "ln -s $XAUTHORITY ~/.Xauthority" in my fluxbox startup file c.c |
| 12:03.12 | PerfDave | Hmm, I still have a .Xauthority file and no XAUTHORITY env var. |
| 12:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't sound like squeeze with gdm3 |
| 12:03.44 | edmont | thanks Kosma, bye |
| 12:03.45 | xand | doesn't it? |
| 12:03.49 | xand | cos that's what it is :| |
| 12:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant his one |
| 12:03.57 | xand | oh. |
| 12:04.06 | PerfDave | Oh, gdm |
| 12:04.12 | PerfDave | No, I don't touch Gnome with a bargepole |
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| 12:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just going to say... perhaps you got stuck on the lenny-gdm and didn't switch to gdm3 |
| 12:04.54 | jelly-home | PerfDave: gdm3 breaks some assumptions and uses a nondefault file even for a local login, for some reason |
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| 12:05.11 | jelly-home | I switched to kdm instead. |
| 12:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | PerfDave, hm, can you switch hostname and still open windows then? |
| 12:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't think that that's got anything to do with the location of the cookies |
| 12:05.53 | PerfDave | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't switch hostname |
| 12:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't use to either... until he said that breaks opening programs in X |
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| 12:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it does |
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| 12:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, well, you must have found the "host-name," keyword in the request stanza of dhcp now |
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| 12:09.35 | Zharf | yep |
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| 12:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny... I set hostname to abc |
| 12:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | even setting DISPLAY=abc:0 doesn't give me the display back |
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| 12:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh |
| 12:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | the Xauthority now doesn't have two lines with the magic cookie |
| 12:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's only one and it contains the hostname |
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| 12:13.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh wonderful... and xauth add doesn't add things to xauth anymore |
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| 12:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably because of the new location |
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| 12:14.55 | gentz | I have a debian usb stick, and I'm trying to copy it to another usb: via dd if=/dev/usb1 of=/dev/usb2 conv=notrunc. but then usb2 gives errors on mounting |
| 12:14.57 | jelly-home | does your user even have write privileges for that $XAUTHORITY and its directory (directory needed to create a lock file) |
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| 12:16.01 | PerfDave | gentz: Why not just use cp or rsync to copy the files, rather than trying to copy the filesystem? |
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| 12:17.15 | gentz | PerfDave: I want to make sure that the usb stick is bootable. |
| 12:17.51 | jelly-home | gentz: if you copy whole devices, make sure the source device isn't being written to -- that it's umounted or at least mounted in read-only mode |
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| 12:18.28 | gentz | jelly-home: yeah i had it umounted. looking at both of them in cfdisk, they look identical. |
| 12:18.33 | jelly-home | gentz: also, run sync after the dd. Disconnect the destination device in a safe manner. |
| 12:19.11 | jelly-home | eg,. "echo 1 >> /sys/block/usb2/device/delete" before unplugging it |
| 12:20.10 | gentz | that did it! it mo0unts now. thanks! |
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| 12:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, yes, but not to its parent |
| 12:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, fascinating... here's the gnome bug to the XAUTHORITY issue https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651431 |
| 12:33.34 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: why do you need to xauth add? |
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| 12:33.44 | jelly-home | oh right, changed hostname |
| 12:33.54 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: Don't Do That, Then |
| 12:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, I don't... was just looking at stuff because of the hostname thing |
| 12:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | rrrrright |
| 12:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... look at that bug report |
| 12:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | do I read that right |
| 12:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | they say "you broke this, it worked well for decades and now you broke it!" |
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| 12:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the gnome guy answers... "oh, just disable it and use xhost, many distros do that" |
| 12:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 12:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | welcome to the 80ies? |
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| 12:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although that +si thing looks new) |
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| 12:39.59 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, for the record, I don't use gdm or any of that stuff |
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| 12:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | all right... was just taking the opportunity to explore the full horror of this change of gdm3 |
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| 12:42.30 | Zharf | :) |
| 12:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zharf, so you're still using ~/.Xauthority? What does xauth list say? |
| 12:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | (1st column) |
| 12:43.24 | Zharf | egill.ragnarok:0 |
| 12:43.29 | Zharf | egill/unix:10 |
| 12:43.30 | Zharf | egill/unix:0 |
| 12:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | also with hostname |
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| 12:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... on etch also with hostname |
| 12:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to be common |
| 12:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought I remember when there was a time where you got two entries for each session in .Xauthority |
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| 12:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | one would be "hostname/unix:display" and the other ... just ":display", I think |
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| 12:47.29 | Zharf | with the development in the past 4 years or so, I'm probably moving to a more sane OS on my laptop in the near future... |
| 12:47.39 | Zharf | so many things break every year |
| 12:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not in debian stable |
| 12:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | where things only break every 2-3 years |
| 12:48.13 | Zharf | yeah well :p |
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| 12:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | because releases don't happen more often |
| 12:48.21 | Zharf | but still, it gets the "updates" as well |
| 12:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | only gets backported bugfixes |
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| 12:49.39 | jaakkos | i run debian testing on my laptop, had the same installation around 4-5 years... no bigger problems |
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| 12:50.18 | Zharf | it's probably not a problem for people who don't care about how their system works, which programs it runs etc ;) |
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| 12:51.20 | jaakkos | Zharf: so what has broken for you? |
| 12:51.47 | xand | Zharf is moving to ubuntu. |
| 12:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as I'm already ranting... renaming volatile squeeze-updates and security to squeeze/updates was a stroke of genius... surely now there cannot be confusion anymore </sarcasm> |
| 12:51.50 | xand | sniggers |
| 12:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 12:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was that "surely there can not be more confusion" |
| 12:52.51 | Zharf | xand, never, it's even more broken |
| 12:53.09 | xand | :P |
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| 12:54.13 | Zharf | jaakkos, DontZap in xorg.conf hasn't worked for years, this dhcp problem, various other small annoying "automatic configuration" crap which always breaks on my hardware |
| 12:54.17 | Zharf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.28 | Zharf | can't remember them all |
| 12:54.56 | jaakkos | i always used xorg with zeroconf since that option became available... of course might not suit everyone. running nodm + ion3, sometimes xfce4 |
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| 12:56.18 | jaakkos | Zharf: does dhclient change your /etc/hostname? |
| 12:56.25 | Zharf | no |
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| 12:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dontzap is default for years |
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| 12:59.55 | Zharf | CutMeOwnThroat, I know, it's bugged me since, I want to zap it |
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| 13:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you cannot say donzap didn't work... :D |
| 13:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, dontzap |
| 13:01.24 | dpkg | As of Squeeze, terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"). To disable zapping in Lenny, define Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config lenny>. |
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| 13:02.25 | Kosma | dontzap has always worked, it's just the logic that is inverted - if you want zap to work, use Options "DontZap" "false" |
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| 13:06.27 | crhan | hi all. How can I know when did I install a specific package in debian? |
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| 13:06.59 | Bushmills | you could consult the logs |
| 13:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | check /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 13:07.21 | crhan | dpkg tools can't help? |
| 13:07.22 | dpkg | crhan: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:07.58 | Bushmills | they don't need to, given that logs are kept |
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| 13:08.31 | Bushmills | on top, they *do* help, by writing the logs |
| 13:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was going to say that :P |
| 13:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | the latter, that is |
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| 13:09.28 | Bushmills | lagger dibbler :) |
| 13:09.31 | crhan | err.. |
| 13:09.55 | crhan | grep yum /var/log/dpkg.log* , and find nothing.. |
| 13:10.04 | ompaul | yum |
| 13:10.05 | Bushmills | rotated |
| 13:10.25 | crhan | grep cannot find words in griped files? |
| 13:10.31 | crhan | gziped.. |
| 13:10.36 | jaakkos | zgrep |
| 13:10.58 | crhan | oh! it works |
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| 13:11.12 | Bushmills | amazing :) |
| 13:11.46 | ompaul | Bushmills: since when do you sound like brian (it's amazing) cox ;-) |
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| 13:12.18 | ompaul | tv physics dude |
| 13:13.08 | crhan | thanks to all~~~ Bushmills jaakkos ompaul CutMeOwnThroat |
| 13:13.39 | Bushmills | ompaul: when did brain cox begin to sound like me? |
| 13:13.45 | Bushmills | brian, even |
| 13:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | good work on that typo |
| 13:14.22 | ompaul | Bushmills: fair point, well made. |
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| 13:40.36 | jelly-home | ,info mplayer2 |
| 13:40.37 | judd | No package named 'mplayer2' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 13:40.42 | jelly-home | ,info mplayer2 --release sid |
| 13:40.43 | judd | Package mplayer2 (video, extra) in sid/i386: next generation movie player for Unix-like systems. Version: 2.0-134-g84d8671-8; Size: 1369.8k; Installed: 3449k; Homepage: http://mplayer2.org |
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| 13:59.10 | MooGeek | Hey everyone, can anybody help me with configuring php-imap, please? |
| 14:00.08 | t3i | anyone here like how stable deb's ram usage is? |
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| 14:02.30 | mans | hi |
| 14:02.50 | mans | is it a command line to know where grub is installer |
| 14:03.02 | mans | s/r/d |
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| 14:03.10 | mans | thx |
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| 14:06.16 | mans | because an upgrade ask me to specifiy where i want to put my grub, and i got a software raid partition for my boot one, and it make ambiguous the choice |
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| 14:19.41 | mark76 | Does anyone here know how to force libreoffice to use the system icon theme? |
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| 14:28.50 | mark76 | Damn it. I hate the default open/libreoffice icons |
| 14:29.21 | ompaul | mark76: you could compile it yourself |
| 14:29.29 | ompaul | mark76: cos I don't know the answer other than that |
| 14:29.44 | mark76 | No thanks, there should be a theme change option built in |
| 14:30.29 | themill | ToolsâOptionsâLibreofficeâViewâIcon size and style |
| 14:31.10 | mark76 | HAng on |
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| 14:32.47 | mark76 | Darn it. GTK icons aren't included in the choices |
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| 14:34.18 | themill | mark76: I doubt the icon theme is called "gtk icons". Tango or oxygen or similar is more likely to be the name of the icon theme |
| 14:34.43 | MooGeek | When I execute php script (which uses imap) in console - it runs ok, but when I try to run in via browser - it dies, any ideas? |
| 14:35.08 | MooGeek | I guess there are some problems with nginx+imap on debian, anyone had something like that? |
| 14:35.41 | themill | mark76: I presume you've looked at the output of "apt-cache search gnome libreoffice" |
| 14:36.07 | mark76 | Yes, it's all Greek to me |
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| 14:43.29 | agus_sintang | selamat datang |
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| 14:50.48 | sielence | hi |
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| 14:52.30 | oldtopman | I jut installed debian 6.0.3 and the installed system just blackscreens. |
| 14:53.23 | oldtopman | The other boot option just lists some stuff about nouveau then blackscreens. |
| 14:53.27 | sielence | any one related to pak |
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| 14:54.13 | oldtopman | I'm pretty sure that the blackscreening is a kernel panic, can you help me? |
| 14:54.34 | cahoot | boot to console |
| 14:55.14 | cahoot | see what happens if you start X from there |
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| 14:55.36 | cahoot | might catch errormsg |
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| 14:56.51 | oldtopman | How singly boot to console? |
| 14:56.54 | oldtopman | do you* |
| 14:57.19 | Kromgol | So uhm, i just replaced my servers motherboard with another, but not getting any picture. It all starts up fine and so, no beep codes, no nothing. It also won't shut down instantly when i press the power button, therefore indicating that there isn't a direct problem with the essential hardware. I've already tried the integrated graphics and two graphics cards, still no picture. |
| 14:57.20 | Kromgol | Any ideas? |
| 14:57.50 | Kromgol | On things to try |
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| 14:58.23 | oldtopman | How do you boot to console from grub? |
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| 15:01.43 | ladanz | hi all!i got a ATI Technologies Inc M92 LP [Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series] on my debian/testing machine and i want to install proprietary driver to achive 3d acceleration. on 3.0.0-1-686-pae and 2.6.39-2-686-pae it wont install ([Error] Kernel Module : Failed to build fglrx-8.881 with DKMS) and 2.6.32-5-686 it installs fine, but as soon as i start fglrxinfo(or similar) pc will freeze on instant! any help would be appreciated :) |
| 15:02.18 | samthewildone | Is there a "how to guide" for debian and not a installation guide. More of a guide for setting up software & drivers. |
| 15:02.39 | samthewildone | Something that ubuntu and fedora have, as a third party. |
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| 15:03.17 | themill | samthewildone: that's pretty vague. What do you really want to know about? |
| 15:03.36 | samthewildone | themill, hey, thanks for responding its for my dad. |
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| 15:04.41 | samthewildone | themill, he want's to be able to know how to add certain repos, setup drivers (printer, graphics & so on), flash , adobe , mp3 & etc |
| 15:05.40 | samthewildone | You know how other distros have their post-installation guides where it helps users setup those things. Especially audio is important to him, able to be watching is "oldies" |
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| 15:07.03 | Iridos | repos should just be main non-free contrib on the mirror of your choice, security and perpaps debian-multimedia... shouldn't need him to do anything |
| 15:07.35 | Iridos | audio should Just Work(TM) "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" if it doesn't |
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| 15:08.00 | Iridos | printer you point your browser to localhost:631 for cups |
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| 15:08.51 | Iridos | graphics depends on hardware... I would see that (and most of the others) as part of the installation, though |
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| 15:11.46 | Iridos | and as such the installation guide should cover it... I don't see why you'd want a 2nd document for that |
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| 15:14.40 | Iridos | samthewildone, some of the things listed when you "/msg dpkg grounding" should be relevant... I guess from that you'd want to /msg dpkg overview (and then again a lot of the things therein) and also /msg dpkg faq |
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| 15:17.39 | samthewildone | Iridos, thanls |
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| 15:17.44 | samthewildone | *thanks |
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| 15:29.41 | filePeter | Hey I installed xfce on lenny and now my grub config has a bootsplash and 3 of my other OSes are missing⦠What to do? Where to config? thx! ;-) |
| 15:31.05 | Bushmills | update-grub |
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| 15:31.22 | klync | greetings. just got a new mobo with an atheros ethernet; the ubuntu installer detects it and loads atl1c driver, but debian 6.0.3 netinst never initializes it. anyone familiar with how I can work around this and get debian on this machine? |
| 15:31.24 | Bushmills | but xfce should have nothing to do with that |
| 15:33.08 | klync | filePeter: yeah, prob not related to xfce, but debian has a util that rewrites your grub.conf. see `man update-grub` |
| 15:33.12 | Iridos | klync, either you need a newer kernel or firmware is missing or both. Try to find out which it is. |
| 15:33.21 | Iridos | !tell klync about firmware images |
| 15:33.27 | Iridos | dpkg, tell klync about kmuto |
| 15:33.32 | klync | Iridos: ooh, thx :D |
| 15:35.07 | Bushmills | atl1c should be in squeeze kernel already. |
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| 15:35.51 | klync | Bushmills: the driver is listed on the screen "could not find your ethernet card; please choose from this list", but it doesn't load. i'm assuming its firmware and going to try the img Iridos dm'd me |
| 15:36.16 | filePeter | Bushmills, klync: yeah but that splash appeared on both computers (lenny amd64, squeeze i386) iâve installed xfce on⦠*strange* |
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| 15:37.35 | klync | filePeter: well, perhaps xfce adds a grub splash image (i'm just guessing - i have no idea) and reruns "update-grub", which erases your direct edits to /boot/grub/menu.lst ... there's a "correct" way to add your customizations so that update-grub knows about them |
| 15:38.29 | filePeter | klync: Yeah, I guess⦠That wouldâve been my second question, where to put that config? :-) (Iâll googleâ¦) |
| 15:39.10 | klync | filePeter: iirc you edit the same file, but just commented out and in the places identified by the comments, so it gets parsed and the actual config gets written at the bottom of the file |
| 15:39.18 | klync | checks his menu.lst |
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| 15:46.17 | matias_ | Hello. How can I remap my F<number> keys so I don't need to hit Fn to use them? The problem is that, for example, the F2 button is also the one that disable wifi, if I forget to hit Fn at the same time I lost the connection! |
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| 16:00.39 | grawity | <-- Debian noob. Is there anything like `dpkg -l` but which only lists explicitly installed packages, not dependencies? |
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| 16:02.55 | comradekingu | grawity: apt-cache search --installed firefox |
| 16:03.00 | Iridos | dpkg, aptitude clone |
| 16:03.01 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 16:03.19 | grawity | Aha, thanks |
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| 16:04.05 | Iridos | grawity, aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 16:04.59 | CannedCorn | hey guys i'm trying to look at a http request / response that is going out of my headless box |
| 16:05.08 | CannedCorn | what is the best way to capture a specific one |
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| 16:10.34 | iman | hi every one, I want to learn and having full prof concept on linux regardless of which distro I use, would you please suggest me a good reference or book about all chapter of linux |
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| 16:12.03 | Iridos | dpkg, tell iman about ig |
| 16:12.08 | Iridos | dpkg, tell iman about overview |
| 16:12.28 | PerfDave | iman: I'm not quite sure what you mean by "full prof concept"? |
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| 16:14.29 | iman | PerfDave, review all chapter of linux |
| 16:15.00 | thewanderer1 | iman: read the source man :) |
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| 16:15.25 | iman | thewanderer1, source of what? |
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| 16:15.47 | PerfDave | iman: "chapter"? It's not a book. |
| 16:16.04 | thewanderer1 | iman: since you want to know about Linux, I think Linux would be a good choice... :D |
| 16:16.14 | iman | chapter noun: 1. One of the main sections into which the text of a book is divided, 2. An administrative division of an organization, usually local to a specific area verb: 1. To divide into chapters, 2. To put into a chapter |
| 16:16.59 | PerfDave | iman: I still have no idea what you're talking about or what you want to achive |
| 16:17.07 | PerfDave | iman: But I suspect it's not Debian-rleated |
| 16:17.36 | iman | thewanderer1, I used debian distro, but I want have deep study on linux independent from distro |
| 16:17.48 | iman | PerfDave, ok |
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| 16:18.01 | PerfDave | Do you mean Linux the kernel, or GNU/Linux the operating system? Source code for both is available for you to study. |
| 16:18.20 | PerfDave | Linux From Scratch may help you understand how a GNU/Linux system is put together |
| 16:18.33 | iman | PerfDave, GNU/Linux, not kernel |
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| 16:19.23 | thewanderer1 | iman: GNU/Linux not kernel == GNU itself if you treat them as sets... |
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| 16:20.12 | thewanderer1 | iman: common things to all GNU/Linux distros are: GNU software, Linux kernel, POSIX API (more or less) and the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (often abused!). the rest will differ. |
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| 16:21.21 | parcs | hi, i'm interested in migrating from arch to debian. how 'complete' is the default desktop environment with respect to ACPI (power management, suspension/hibernation, etc)? |
| 16:22.19 | Mashed | pretty good imo |
| 16:22.24 | legalEagle | parcs: i would highly recommend that you virtualize debain on top of arch to bench test it for your self |
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| 16:23.41 | Mashed | i have had some problems with NDISwrapper when recovering from sleep/hibernate but other than that I think thats all |
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| 16:24.41 | cahoot | there are still devices that need ndis? |
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| 16:26.55 | hollow | How does one fix this xulrunner umet error when trying to install iceweasel aurora using mozilla.debian.net guide? |
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| 16:27.50 | OldParr | is here somebody that had acomplished an oracle (sun) java instalation in debian squeeze?, i tried in lenny but i did not succeded |
| 16:28.21 | themill | OldParr: "aptitude install sun-java6-jre" (or better, openjdk-6-jre) |
| 16:28.50 | OldParr | themill: i have installed that but it do not works in some websites |
| 16:28.58 | tensorpudding | you need the browser plugin |
| 16:29.08 | OldParr | i have iceweasel |
| 16:29.10 | themill | OldParr: then you want sun-java6-plugin |
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| 16:30.05 | OldParr | themill: but sun-java6-plugin is exactly the same than the one i download at sun.com? |
| 16:30.18 | themill | no, it's one that is designed to work on debian |
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| 16:30.34 | tensorpudding | it's been patched |
| 16:30.44 | OldParr | which repo? |
| 16:31.31 | themill | dpkg: tell OldParr about non-free |
| 16:31.38 | tensorpudding | svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-java/trunk/sun-java6 ? |
| 16:31.45 | themill | tensorpudding: actually no, thre are no debian-specific patchs there |
| 16:31.54 | tensorpudding | yeah, i saw |
| 16:32.38 | tensorpudding | oh, you meant package repo |
| 16:32.39 | OldParr | i like to play chess at yahoo.com wil it works? |
| 16:32.47 | tensorpudding | i thought you wanted the repository for the package dev |
| 16:32.57 | tensorpudding | probably |
| 16:33.03 | tensorpudding | but debian provides no support for it |
| 16:33.35 | OldParr | in my experience the only java package that works in yahoo games in the one from oracle (sun) |
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| 16:33.45 | tensorpudding | well, this is the one from oracle |
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| 16:34.32 | themill | OldParr: there should be no problems with sun-java6-plugin |
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| 16:35.26 | OldParr | themill: can i send you a .png? |
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| 16:35.55 | themill | OldParr: http://picpaste.com |
| 16:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | OldParr: You're demanding that he document proof that it works before you'll even try it? |
| 16:36.20 | themill | OldParr: have you even tried sun-java6-plugin? |
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| 16:38.00 | OldParr | i think i tried that in lenny but i do not remember exactly |
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| 16:38.19 | OldParr | themill: http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-cyGHIUML.png |
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| 16:39.27 | themill | what are we supposed to be looking at in that picture? |
| 16:39.51 | Iridos | the prutty smilies |
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| 16:40.10 | OldParr | http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-1-6LEJilhh.png |
| 16:40.35 | OldParr | themill: what do i must put here? http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-1-6LEJilhh.png |
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| 16:41.00 | themill | OldParr: did you "/msg dpkg non-free sources"? |
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| 16:41.26 | OldParr | ok |
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| 16:42.56 | OldParr | write main contrib non-free in here http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-1-6LEJilhh.png ? |
| 16:43.32 | shadow193 | Hi all Ive gotta problem with my sound. Im runnin lenovo g570 notebook and when playin some music, sound going out from loudspeakers and headphones in the same time...anyone knows? |
| 16:43.35 | OldParr | write "main contrib non-free" in here? http://picpaste.com/Pantallazo-1-6LEJilhh.png |
| 16:43.55 | themill | OldParr: no. Does that look anything like the example that is given in the dialog box? |
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| 16:47.22 | lotus-blade|2 | anyone know where I can get 4.0.6a maps? |
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| 16:47.40 | lotus-blade|2 | sorry wron window |
| 16:47.48 | r]eco | I need help with debian using openbox. When I 'startx' it loads X and openbox, but when I right click it crashes |
| 16:47.55 | r]eco | How do I fix openbox so it doesnt crash? |
| 16:48.11 | legalEagle | \4 |
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| 16:48.58 | OldParr | themills: it is working! |
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| 16:50.30 | shadow193 | Can anyone help? |
| 16:51.04 | hollow | why is the latest Iceweasel aurora version 9.0a when the latest is 10.0a? |
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| 16:54.52 | hollow | well? |
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| 16:55.48 | r]eco | Can anyone help me figure out why X crashes when I right-click anywhere in openbox? |
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| 16:56.18 | ompaul | hollow: a well is a place to get water from, maybe the person who has the answer to your aurora question is not looking atm, and others who don't know are looking to find out what you are on about at all |
| 16:56.21 | Iridos | r]eco, check the bug tracking system if someone reported a bug |
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| 16:56.55 | hollow | ompaul, you so crazy. |
| 16:56.56 | ompaul | hollow: also you didn't say versions of the o/s y9ou were talking about and stuff like that |
| 16:57.23 | r]eco | Iridos: but this is debian stable it should work |
| 16:57.31 | ompaul | hollow: you think, funny that I was searching the net for an answer, consider your question abandoned |
| 16:57.38 | hollow | crunchbang statler right now. |
| 16:58.05 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 16:58.05 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 16:58.28 | ompaul | hollow: you are in the wrong town, have a nice day on your journey |
| 16:58.31 | Iridos | r]eco, there's no such thing as 100% bug-free software...and stable mainly means that no new versions go into the repo until the next release... that means if you fix it in stable it stays fixed for 2-3 years... it doesn't mean every single possible bug has been fixed |
| 16:58.45 | hollow | it's basically debian. |
| 16:58.46 | hollow | jeez |
| 16:58.59 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 16:58.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:59.28 | themill | hollow: and when it breaks and it's not in the debian bts, we get to blame them. Please take crunchbang support to their channel. |
| 16:59.31 | ompaul | hollow: and there the crazy man leaves you to it |
| 16:59.31 | r]eco | Iridos: This sounds like philosophy but I am interested in a quick sanity check on my system here |
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| 16:59.52 | r]eco | Its a fresh install of debian stable |
| 17:00.06 | Iridos | well, I told you what to do... |
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| 17:00.08 | hollow | gee, no wonder debian users are seen as typical elist wannabes with this "freedom" and this and that. |
| 17:00.12 | hollow | worse than arch. |
| 17:00.13 | Iridos | do you want me to check it for you? |
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| 17:00.37 | themill | hollow: the volunteers are here to help debian people. Please take it to #crunchbang. |
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| 17:01.40 | Iridos | hollow, jelly offers paid support for people with offtopic questions... as for the people in here answering without payment, I don't see how you have got a right to complain if we choose what we answer |
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| 17:05.26 | totte | I put this in /etc/crontab: "00 6 * * * root /usr/sbin/logwatch" but the report was initiated and sent to me at 1200 instead 0600? |
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| 17:05.44 | qwd | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html checking the "Display arch details" box doesn't do anything for me. Can someone tell me the status of Gnome 3 for PPC? Any red besides Telepathy? |
| 17:06.15 | totte | date outputs the correct time... I'm confused. What'd I miss? |
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| 17:06.44 | peterrooney | qwd: debian on powerpc? you're suspected of being a glutton for punishment. |
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| 17:07.27 | dTal | I've run debian on powerpc |
| 17:07.27 | qwd | peterrooney: Seemed like the best distro for it? And OS X isn't supported anymore. |
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| 17:07.41 | dTal | it's one of the only options |
| 17:07.53 | dTal | either it's supported or it isn't |
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| 17:08.41 | peterrooney | qwd: true, it is the best for it (have an ibook running it myself) but the headaches involved - yeesh. it's supported, but the mailing lists are cluttered with attempts to fix the bootloader for wheezy |
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| 17:08.52 | Iridos | totte, timezone? |
| 17:09.41 | qwd | peterrooney: Only real problem is that the touchpad is a bit slow and mozilla.debian.net doesn't have PPC packages for Iceweasel. What's that bootloader problem? No problems with Squeeze, is it something specific to Wheezy? |
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| 17:09.49 | PerfDave | ppc64 on IBM POWER kit is better supported than ppc on old Macs, but less common :) |
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| 17:10.24 | nze | i'm having some trouble with an overly zealous out-of-memory killer as it seems: it keeps killing my bash shells :\ |
| 17:10.28 | totte | Iridos: GMT +1 |
| 17:10.53 | Iridos | totte, I meant the machine running cron might be just in a different timezone |
| 17:11.09 | Iridos | as you say it says it'S sent it at the correct time... |
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| 17:14.14 | totte | Iridos: It's neither initiated or sent at the time I specified in /etc/crontab, I don't understand how timezone would make a difference? |
| 17:14.43 | ompaul | totte: look in the headers of the received emails to check the time that box thinks it sent them at |
| 17:15.17 | totte | "Processing Initiated: Sun Oct 16 12:00:04 2011" |
| 17:15.50 | totte | "Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:00:10 PM" |
| 17:15.52 | Iridos | oh, I misunderstood <totte> date outputs the correct time... |
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| 17:16.33 | Iridos | dunno, anachron doesn't necessarily run stuff when specified on machines that are not up all the time (but should if the machine keeps running) |
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| 17:17.05 | totte | Date output from now: "Sun Oct 16 19:18:09 CEST 2011" |
| 17:17.19 | totte | My watch is 19:17, so it's good. |
| 17:17.35 | ompaul | totte: put in a job for to touch a file in 3 minutes |
| 17:18.20 | ompaul | totte: if you had */6 I'd understand your problem |
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| 17:19.11 | ompaul | totte: also it is good practice to start jobs not on the 15 minute or on the hour (unless you have a good reason to do so) |
| 17:19.23 | totte | ompaul: Like, "22 19 * * * root touch /home/totte/foo"? |
| 17:19.37 | ompaul | totte: that should be happy |
| 17:19.49 | Iridos | could the package itself already be configured to run a similar cronjob at a different time? |
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| 17:21.22 | Iridos | totte, logwatch itself has /usr/sbin/logwatch --output mail in cron.daily ... perhaps you're seeing that and not your own |
| 17:21.54 | ompaul | totte: why have you got root in there? |
| 17:22.10 | ompaul | why not use root's crontab -e |
| 17:22.15 | totte | Pasted output of cat /etc/crontab: http://pastebin.com/u3wYvvkk |
| 17:22.55 | totte | I removed the logwatch entry in cron.daily. |
| 17:23.27 | qrq | Is there any DFSG statement about firefox 7? |
| 17:23.43 | qrq | I mean iceweasel 7. |
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| 17:24.03 | totte | I wanted it to run at a specific time in the morning but without altering when all the cron.daily taks are run. |
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| 17:25.00 | ompaul | totte: if I wanted to run that as root what I would do is as follows crontab -e then in there 00 6 * * * /path/to/program save and away with me |
| 17:25.24 | ompaul | totte: I tend to leave the system wide crontab alone - what is uptime on that box? |
| 17:25.40 | ompaul | totte: also did you restart cron after the edits |
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| 17:30.56 | totte | ompaul: I'm better of creating a separate crontab for my own needs than rather than using /etc/crontab? Hrm, I like having most of the configurations in /etc but alright. The uptime is 11 days etc. No I only reloaded it. :/ I thought that would suffice. |
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| 17:32.51 | ompaul | totte: su - and from there create entries for crontab -e which sorts out reloads |
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| 17:34.31 | alternut | I have a bcm4313 wifi card on my netbook...is this the proper tutorial to follow for setup? http://wiki.debian.org/wl , every time i try to build the package broadcom-sta it fails |
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| 17:35.39 | ompaul | alternut: please check out http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 17:36.03 | totte | ompaul: I'll delete my entries in /etc/crontab and try doing it the way you recommend - got to go now though and it'll have to wait. Thanks for the help. |
| 17:36.31 | ompaul | totte: enjoy |
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| 17:37.18 | Gm4n | question for you guys... my mdadm raid just failed but I can't tell why. mdstat says md0 : inactive sda1[1](S) sdg1[6](S) sdh1[5](S) sde1[4](S) sdb1[3](S) sdd1[2](S) sdc1[0](S) |
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| 17:37.34 | TJNII | After altering Required-Start: in an init script do I need to execute anything or should it be honored on the next boot? |
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| 17:38.35 | Gm4n | TJNII: I would imagine it'll be honored, but I don't know |
| 17:39.04 | alternut | bcm4313 says not supported by b43...alternative is wl/brcm80211 |
| 17:39.12 | Guest35181 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 17:39.29 | alternut | not bcm4313, I meant..http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 17:39.53 | TJNII | Okay, I guess I'll find out in a minute. Gentoo has (well, had. They just changes everything so I don't know if this is still true ) a script you need to run, but their init is completely different. |
| 17:41.36 | bdheeman | Hi |
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| 17:42.53 | alternut | iwconfig does not show my wireless interface, what do i need to do? |
| 17:42.58 | bdheeman | I build and installed lightdm 1.0.3 a few days ago, everything is working fine/better except for the PAM utmp/finger |
| 17:43.25 | somiaj | TJNII: You may want to run update-rc.d to it reareads the headder and puts the script in the right spot. NOt sure if this is required. |
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| 17:43.36 | bdheeman | How can make the PAM touch/update login/logout records? |
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| 17:43.43 | Gm4n | anyone have ideas why two of my hard drives would show up on boot but not be put into the mdadm raid? (making the raid5 failed due to two missing disks) |
| 17:43.50 | ompaul | alternut: the page I gave you points here http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 17:45.01 | ompaul | alternut: if you insist on using external sources then you will find yourself with non debian solutions to debian problems which may or may not work, and may or may not be known about at upgrading times causing you or not causing you a whole heap of pain |
| 17:45.36 | ompaul | alternut: which can be summed up as, there is a debian way to do stuff |
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| 17:47.23 | bdheeman | alternut: me? I just uscan upgraded a debian source package for lightdm |
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| 17:49.03 | bdheeman | alternut: moreover, test installed an official debian binary for lightdm, which also did not touch/update utmp login/logout records :( |
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| 17:49.39 | Gm4n | if my mdadm raid5 is suddenly missing two drives, should I just add them again? (eg: mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1) |
| 17:49.48 | dualboot | TJNII: I'd do an "insserv SCRIPTNAME" afterwards to make dependency changes happen. And for changing the header with the dependencies I used a file in /etc/insserv/overrides to not have to alter the scripts themselves to avoid issues during updates. |
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| 17:51.15 | TJNII | dualboot: Yes, it looks like running insserv is requisite. System is booting now, fingers crossed it comes up. |
| 17:52.07 | firehaz | I'm stunned. Debian is *so* good. |
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| 17:52.46 | firehaz | Everything wrong with other distros does not appear for me in debian. |
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| 17:54.38 | nsadmin | hi, running squeeze, $(uname -r) -> "2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64", it shuts down irqs 18 and 19 with "nobody cared, try irqpoll" |
| 17:54.49 | nsadmin | how do I try irqpoll? |
| 17:55.31 | nsadmin | I'm guessing it has to go on the kernel command line somehow |
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| 17:56.08 | ironhalik | can someone explain to me |
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| 17:56.23 | ironhalik | why the hell debian chose to turn apache conf's upside down? :> |
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| 17:56.51 | spal | ironhalik, easier to manage. |
| 17:56.53 | nsadmin | ironhalik: debian is seated across the table from you and can't read them otherwise? |
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| 17:57.11 | TJNII | dualboot: Documentation on /etc/insserv/overrides is a bit sparse. Do I just create a file in there with the same name ad the init script (like /etc/insserv/overrides/mdadm-raid) containing the LSB comment line I wish to override? |
| 17:57.12 | ironhalik | im teasing :P |
| 17:57.40 | ironhalik | still, im accustomed to generic, freebsd httpd confs, and having 7 diferent files for one domain is quiote new to me |
| 17:57.50 | dualboot | nsadmin: Try in grub to 'e'dit the config. Then go to the line for loading the kernel in there. Append this parameter there and then boot (I think Ctrl-X; shown at the bottom of the edit screen.) |
| 17:57.51 | ironhalik | so my site wont work :P |
| 17:57.52 | spal | are the a2ensite, a2dissite, a2enmod, etc. Debian specific commands for Apache management? |
| 17:58.21 | ironhalik | I think so |
| 17:58.24 | dualboot | nsadmin: to make it permanent if it works, look into /etc/default/grub |
| 17:58.24 | spal | ironhalik, what do you mean by "my site won't work". Details please. |
| 17:58.32 | nsadmin | dualboot: got that part... but, what to put there? |
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| 17:58.59 | dualboot | TJNII: I copied over the file and removed everything besides the LSB head. Just putting in a partial header does not work. |
| 17:58.59 | nsadmin | option="irqpoll"? irqpoll? |
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| 17:59.27 | nsadmin | or, what can I do to see the doc for irqpoll? |
| 17:59.32 | nsadmin | maybe that's the first thing |
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| 17:59.40 | ironhalik | spal: apache is returning 404, and I think I did the config right :> |
| 18:00.09 | ironhalik | spal: also, DirectoryIndex doesnt work in the conf, selfcheck returns error |
| 18:00.11 | nsadmin | if someone specifically knows, that's one thing |
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| 18:00.36 | TJNII | dualboot: So you copied the init script into /etc/insserv/overrides/ and erased everything below the LSB header? Is that correct? |
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| 18:00.37 | dualboot | nsadmin: the page I found a few moments ago (with google) seems to indicate it should be just by itself. I'd just try it by editing it in grub and you will see if it works then. |
| 18:00.43 | spal | ironhalik, what's the URL you are visiting? what modifications did you do which conf files in Apache? |
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| 18:01.01 | spal | ironhalik, what's your document root? did you get the "It works" page just after installion? |
| 18:01.04 | nsadmin | ok, so if I want to add it to all linux kernel command lines in grub, would there be a place for that? |
| 18:01.26 | nsadmin | yeah ok. I'll reboot now. |
| 18:01.35 | ironhalik | spal: no 'It works!', it would not work at all, no data recieved - the url is http://ironsoftware.net |
| 18:01.58 | spal | ironhalik, answer my other questions as well. |
| 18:02.09 | ironhalik | sec |
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| 18:02.40 | ironhalik | spal: its /home/user/www/domain.tld/htdocs |
| 18:03.04 | spal | ironhalik, did you modify Apache configuration files? |
| 18:03.42 | spal | Also, see errors in: tail /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 18:04.13 | ironhalik | spal: no, only added virtual.conf to conf.d and my domain conf to sites-availiab,e then a2ensite |
| 18:04.32 | alternut | ompaul: thanks, I was trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211, but modprobe gives me an error saying brcm80211 not found...yes firmware-brcm80211 is installed and updated |
| 18:04.56 | spal | ironhalik, conf.d? Apache configuration is present in /etc/apache2 |
| 18:05.19 | spal | okay, you mean /etc/apache2/conf. |
| 18:05.22 | spal | conf.d* |
| 18:05.25 | ironhalik | yup |
| 18:05.30 | ironhalik | [error] [client 81.190.234.9] File does not exist: /etc/apache2/htdocs |
| 18:05.50 | spal | ironhalik, have you specified full absolute path everywhere? |
| 18:05.56 | arghx | alternut: and what kernel version do you run? |
| 18:05.58 | ironhalik | hmm not sure |
| 18:05.59 | Bushmills | "...then a2ensite" - no reload of configs? |
| 18:06.17 | ironhalik | Bushmills: i restarted apache |
| 18:06.43 | ironhalik | wheres the default documentroot for apache? the one used without virtualhosts? |
| 18:06.55 | spal | ironhalik, default is /var/www |
| 18:07.01 | alternut | arghx: 2.6.36-2 |
| 18:07.07 | ironhalik | /etc/apache2 is serverroot, it looks for htdocs there, at least seems to |
| 18:07.18 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 18:07.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 18:07.29 | arghx | alternut: you run mepis? |
| 18:07.31 | spal | ironhalik, specify absolute paths |
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| 18:07.39 | Bushmills | where is that kernel from? |
| 18:07.50 | ironhalik | also, apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for endor.localdomain |
| 18:07.50 | ironhalik | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:07.54 | alternut | crunchbang |
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| 18:08.16 | ironhalik | wheres the servername? its not in apache2.conf :> |
| 18:08.16 | Bushmills | running non-debian kernel with debian? |
| 18:08.28 | arghx | alternut: we do not support crunchbang and don't know how crunchbang misconfigures their kernel. using their kernel but debian documentation doesn't work as you just noticed. ask crunchbang people for help |
| 18:08.33 | arghx | !crunchbang |
| 18:08.33 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 18:08.38 | spal | ironhalik, ServerName is specified for the virtual host you configure. |
| 18:08.49 | ironhalik | spal: se |
| 18:08.50 | ironhalik | c |
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| 18:09.51 | spal | ironhalik, I hope you have created a ironsoftware.net file in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 18:10.21 | spal | that's where you should define <VirtualHost> for ironsoftware.net The ServerName should be ironsoftware.net |
| 18:10.27 | ironhalik | yeah I did |
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| 18:10.41 | spal | ideally, DNS for ironsoftware.net should point to your machine. |
| 18:10.49 | ironhalik | will a2ensite overwrite the one in sites-enabled |
| 18:10.54 | ironhalik | yeah, it does |
| 18:11.10 | spal | ironhalik, the files in sites-enabled are nothing but soft links to sites-available. |
| 18:11.21 | nsadmin | OK, that seems to have worked... mouse is a bit more responsive (irq 18) and sound and sata HD seems to be fast together (irq 19) |
| 18:11.31 | spal | sites-available are never overwritten. the ones in sites-enabled get created or deleted depending on whether you run a2ensite or a2dissite |
| 18:11.43 | ironhalik | oh, cool |
| 18:11.48 | ironhalik | sec, apache restart |
| 18:12.44 | ironhalik | spal: can I paste on priv? |
| 18:13.08 | spal | ironhalik, why? more people can help you here? if you want to paste big stuff, use http://pastebin.com/ |
| 18:13.34 | spal | ironhalik, you might want to set page expiry in the pastebin |
| 18:13.40 | ironhalik | http://pastebin.com/VpazyaFG |
| 18:13.44 | nsadmin | ironhalik, and you can look into pastebinit |
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| 18:14.24 | nsadmin | or you can get perl's nopaste working, which is the same... you'll need a coupla perl modules |
| 18:14.59 | ironhalik | uh? :> |
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| 18:15.22 | legalEagle | ! 3.0 |
| 18:15.22 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 18:15.42 | legalEagle | ! kernel 3.0 |
| 18:15.52 | spal | ironhalik, pastebin your virtualhost configuration. |
| 18:16.07 | spal | ironhalik, also pastebin any errors you get in /var/log/apache2/error.log when you restart apache2 |
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| 18:17.09 | ironhalik | spal: http://pastebin.com/qQgaEqa3 - virtual host for my domain |
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| 18:17.47 | mh | help! I did some wrong stuff with xrandr and now when I |
| 18:17.47 | mh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.47 | mh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.47 | mh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.47 | mh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.18 | nsadmin | mn, so, you pasted all that from something like a text file |
| 18:18.20 | mh | sorry for the spam |
| 18:18.30 | rww | !ubuntu |
| 18:18.30 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:18.35 | mh | sorry, did not mean to spam |
| 18:18.46 | TJNII | Has anyone tried running a external ext3/4 journal on a multipathed device? It isn't mounting for me, and I think it is because mount is trying to use the /dev/sd* nodes which are in use by multipathd instead of the /dev/mapper/ node I want it to use. |
| 18:18.47 | mh | wrong use of emacs |
| 18:18.48 | ironhalik | spal: and logs: http://pastebin.com/GqVRPdTZ |
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| 18:18.55 | spal | ironhalik, what's the output of: ping ironsoftware.net ? |
| 18:19.19 | ironhalik | it pings |
| 18:19.37 | mh | yeah well nobody answers in #ubuntu and I am sure I will get the proper answer also here. so anyone could help we with xrandr? |
| 18:19.59 | ironhalik | spal: the domain is set up properly, I ssh through it to the server box |
| 18:20.06 | spal | ironhalik, okay |
| 18:20.09 | rww | mh: "Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian." |
| 18:20.50 | spal | ironhalik, can you change ServerName to ironsoftware.net |
| 18:20.56 | spal | and remove ServerAlias for the time being. |
| 18:20.57 | nsadmin | mn, if you're running ubuntu (as arbitrary as this sounds... and YES, it is fairly arbitrary) people won't respond, and -even- people trying to help you will be yelled at |
| 18:21.02 | mh | so can we assume I am using debian? |
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| 18:21.02 | ironhalik | kk |
| 18:21.07 | spal | or if you have to keep ServerAlias set it to: www.ironsoftware.net |
| 18:21.09 | nsadmin | stupid, huh? |
| 18:21.21 | nsadmin | but, it's a load issue |
| 18:21.25 | spal | ironhalik, I don't really know what the issue is but I am just giving you my configuration which works for me. let us see if it solves the problem. |
| 18:21.30 | rww | nsadmin: how is "#debian supports Debian, #ubuntu supports Ubuntu, Mint's channel supports Mint, etc..." arbitrary |
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| 18:21.57 | nsadmin | rww: how many times has this argument been hashed out? |
| 18:22.06 | ironhalik | spal: same error no qualified domain name |
| 18:22.12 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 18:22.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:22.17 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 18:22.17 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 18:22.19 | rww | nsadmin: Enough that you should have figured it out by now. |
| 18:22.20 | nsadmin | I'm not particularly willing to discuss it |
| 18:22.25 | mh | okay never mind, I am sorry. |
| 18:22.26 | ompaul | if you don't run debian go away please |
| 18:22.44 | ompaul | we don;'t know what your distro did to your special case |
| 18:23.02 | spal | ironhalik, do you still get apr_sockaddr_info_get() error? |
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| 18:23.08 | ironhalik | yes |
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| 18:23.16 | nsadmin | ompaul: so, you're going to have the bot spam us for every dist? |
| 18:23.34 | ompaul | nsadmin: if you run every dist I'l have the bot tell you about them |
| 18:23.36 | Zxcvb | does the cifs filesystem use write-behind caching by default like the normal ones (ext/fat/etc) do? |
| 18:23.42 | spal | ironhalik, pastebin /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 18:23.54 | nsadmin | perhaps people are trying to have conversations which you're interfering with |
| 18:24.20 | ompaul | perhaps those conversations are not ontopic here and this one is over |
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| 18:24.29 | spal | yes, seriously, don't invoke the bot every 2 seconds. |
| 18:24.29 | ironhalik | spal: hostname is endor.localdomain |
| 18:24.43 | ironhalik | spal: and hosts are unedited, stock debian |
| 18:24.57 | spal | okay. |
| 18:25.16 | ironhalik | should I change hosts to include 'endor'? :> |
| 18:25.30 | ironhalik | freensd liked it :> |
| 18:25.40 | spal | ironhalik, yes, there should be an entry for endor in the /etc/hosts ideally. |
| 18:25.42 | nsadmin | ompaul: so just because offtopic conversations are happening means you get to spam a fairly large amount (or let the bot do it) to add more to it? alllllrightey then... |
| 18:26.11 | ironhalik | spal: what can I do to reload hosts? will it work right after editing? |
| 18:26.23 | spal | ironhalik, yes, it should. |
| 18:26.32 | nsadmin | point being: THINK before you strike. |
| 18:26.32 | ironhalik | yeah it works |
| 18:26.37 | ironhalik | now apache returns: |
| 18:26.39 | ironhalik | Restarting web server: apache2[Sun Oct 16 20:26:27 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts ... waiting [Sun Oct 16 20:26:28 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 18:27.17 | ironhalik | maybe the site-abailable confs are wrong somehow? he seems to not see em |
| 18:27.41 | nsadmin | that's possible... are you linking from sites-enabled? |
| 18:27.45 | spal | do you see anything in ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ? |
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| 18:28.26 | spal | ironhalik, in fact try: ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 18:28.32 | ironhalik | yeah, linked ironsoftware |
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| 18:28.46 | spal | ironhalik, it should be ironsoftware.net |
| 18:28.50 | spal | if I am correct. |
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| 18:29.06 | ironhalik | yeah, its root linking ironsoftware.net to sites-available |
| 18:29.08 | spal | i don't know the behaviour for 'ironsoftware'. i always use the servername. |
| 18:29.10 | spal | okay |
| 18:29.26 | spal | can you pastebin the new edited ironsoftware.net once again? |
| 18:29.31 | ironhalik | k |
| 18:30.02 | nsadmin | sites-available is never read via directly addressing, but might be read if linked from sites-enabled |
| 18:30.13 | ironhalik | spal: http://pastebin.com/WfYqjQJ0 |
| 18:30.31 | nsadmin | that's sorta ungramatical, but the idea is in there somewhere |
| 18:30.59 | spal | ironhalik, so what errors now in tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log when you try to visit the home page of ironsoftware.net |
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| 18:31.54 | spal | ironhalik, also make sure the following works: ls /home/halik/www/ironsoftware.net/htdocs/ (just to rule out any silly mistakes) |
| 18:31.55 | ironhalik | [Sun Oct 16 20:28:15 2011] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 18:31.55 | ironhalik | [Sun Oct 16 20:28:16 2011] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 18:32.13 | spal | no errors when you try to visit the website? |
| 18:32.23 | ironhalik | nope |
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| 18:32.31 | ironhalik | only when restarting apache, got a warning |
| 18:32.37 | ironhalik | ls /home/halik/www/ironsoftware.net/htdocs/ |
| 18:32.37 | ironhalik | index.html |
| 18:33.10 | ironhalik | maybe the DirectoryIndex property should be there? I commented it out as it was returning error |
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| 18:33.20 | nsadmin | is there yahoo messenger packaged? |
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| 18:34.11 | spal | ironhalik, DirectoryIndex is okay by default |
| 18:34.34 | ironhalik | Invalid command 'DirectoryIndex', perhaps misspelled... |
| 18:34.48 | spal | ironhalik, any improvements if you change: <VirtualHost *> to <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 18:34.50 | spal | ? |
| 18:34.50 | ironhalik | after I unhash it |
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| 18:35.14 | ironhalik | spal: tried that, told me it conflicted with something |
| 18:35.27 | spal | ironhalik, what was the error message? |
| 18:35.34 | spal | that shouldnt' conflict with anything for a simple setup. |
| 18:35.40 | ironhalik | uh, sec, ill need to go bach |
| 18:36.05 | KellyPa | "Psychologically, I fucking HATE the knowledge that the person I love will likely have been strapped down to a plastic board and had one of the most sensitive parts of his body ripped up like old carpet, crushed with what looks like a cross between a thumbscrew and an embossing device, and then sliced off." |
| 18:36.15 | ironhalik | [error] VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results |
| 18:36.20 | nsadmin | ironhalik, DirectoryIndex, first off you should check the apache.org docs on that, iirc they're well written. If you enable it, the server will spit out html of an index page shwing the content of that dir... you may or may not consider this a problem... that is you may not want to allow people to see individual items in the dir |
| 18:36.26 | spal | ironhalik, DirectoryIndex is already set properly in mods-available/dir.conf - You don't have to later that. |
| 18:36.50 | ironhalik | ok, then ill remove it from my vhost |
| 18:37.09 | nsadmin | if that's what you want |
| 18:37.23 | babilen | KellyPa: Excuse me? This is a technical support channel and quite likely not the channel your "statement" was meant for. |
| 18:37.32 | ironhalik | well, the problem is not that of configuring it, its that it returns error when I use it |
| 18:37.39 | nsadmin | do you get indexes in dirs that don't have index.html? |
| 18:37.39 | ironhalik | as if the option was not allowed |
| 18:37.43 | KellyPa | babilen: We're interested in what Women are saying. |
| 18:37.46 | KellyPa | No worries, mate. |
| 18:37.47 | spal | ironhalik, grep -r NameVirtualHost /etc/apache2 |
| 18:37.51 | ironhalik | I get universal 404 |
| 18:37.59 | babilen | KellyPa: Take it somewhere else. |
| 18:38.17 | ironhalik | /etc/apache2/conf.d/virtual.conf:NameVirtualHost * |
| 18:38.17 | ironhalik | /etc/apache2/ports.conf:NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 18:38.17 | ironhalik | /etc/apache2/ports.conf: # If you add NameVirtualHost *:443 here, you will also have to change |
| 18:38.36 | spal | ironhalik, what's that virtual.conf file? |
| 18:38.37 | KellyPa | babilen: Look at this: |
| 18:38.55 | spal | ironhalik, did you create that virtual.conf file? |
| 18:38.56 | KellyPa | babilen: I really, really, really hate circumcision, and I'm positive that were it not likely that every guy I meet is likely to be circumcised, that I would be much happier at the thought of dating someone. |
| 18:38.58 | KellyPa | babilen: But gee, didn't Maimonides say in his "Guide to the Perplexed" that circumcision drives a wedge of separation between men and women, sexually and emotionally? I know he said something like this, and I know that more than one rabbi has said this. Wow, looks like the guy was right after all. |
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| 18:39.00 | ironhalik | spal: yeah |
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| 18:39.05 | spal | ironhalik, remove that. |
| 18:39.08 | ironhalik | kk |
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| 18:40.02 | ironhalik | ok, now apache restart without error, but still 'Not found' |
| 18:40.03 | ironhalik | :> |
| 18:40.14 | nsadmin | what's not found? |
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| 18:40.29 | ironhalik | the site |
| 18:40.37 | nsadmin | show the url you're trying |
| 18:40.37 | ironhalik | The requested URL /htdocs was not found on this server. |
| 18:40.48 | ironhalik | http://ironsoftware.net |
| 18:41.07 | nsadmin | ok, what dir does that correspond to? |
| 18:41.10 | spal | ironhalik, which version of Debian? |
| 18:41.21 | ironhalik | squeeze |
| 18:41.34 | spal | ironhalik, isn't Squeeze Apache version 2.2.20? |
| 18:41.40 | spal | why does it show 2.2.16 on your website? |
| 18:41.54 | nsadmin | could you show the document root for that virtual domain? |
| 18:41.59 | ironhalik | dunno, installed via aptitude |
| 18:42.12 | spal | ironhalik, ps -aef | grep httpd |
| 18:42.27 | ironhalik | DocumentRoot /home/halik/www/ironsoftware.net/htdocs/ |
| 18:42.52 | ironhalik | root 24368 23962 0 20:42 pts/2 00:00:00 grep httpd |
| 18:43.22 | ironhalik | how do I check if a module is loaded in apache? |
| 18:43.37 | spal | ironhalik, ps -aef | grep apache2 |
| 18:43.39 | nsadmin | ironhalik, exists /home/halik/www/ironsoftware.net/htdocs/index.*? |
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| 18:43.49 | ironhalik | nsadmin: yes |
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| 18:43.55 | ironhalik | index.html |
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| 18:44.11 | nsadmin | ok, hmm. interesting it's not finding that |
| 18:44.27 | ironhalik | www-data 24349 24336 0 20:39 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 18:44.27 | ironhalik | root 24374 23962 0 20:44 pts/2 00:00:00 grep apache2 |
| 18:44.35 | ironhalik | the first line is times 7 |
| 18:44.36 | ironhalik | or sth |
| 18:45.02 | nsadmin | well the second is the grep you just ran |
| 18:45.20 | ironhalik | yeah |
| 18:45.32 | ironhalik | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392356 |
| 18:45.35 | spal | i've run out of ideas. the configuration seems fine. |
| 18:45.48 | ironhalik | got this bug, I seem to be missing this module |
| 18:45.50 | spal | ironhalik, one thing that doesn't make sense is why you have got an older version of apache2 |
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| 18:46.16 | ironhalik | i can try and update it |
| 18:46.28 | ironhalik | huh, it did |
| 18:46.32 | spal | ironhalik, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:46.58 | spal | ironhalik, my mistake. 2.2.16 is the right one for squeeze |
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| 18:47.10 | spal | if you have installed it using aptitude, it should have mod_dir already. |
| 18:47.27 | ironhalik | yeah but there seems to be some bug |
| 18:47.36 | spal | ironhalik, do you have 000-default in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ? |
| 18:47.40 | nsadmin | doesn't mod_dir just make the index when index.html doesn;t exist? |
| 18:47.45 | ironhalik | I also was missing the module for using 'deny' 'allow' rules |
| 18:48.13 | ironhalik | sec, apt is updating |
| 18:48.24 | spal | nsadmin, yes, it should. that's the default setting |
| 18:48.44 | ironhalik | well, mod_dir is missing, a2enmod says so |
| 18:48.48 | nsadmin | a good thing for when you're debugging |
| 18:49.11 | ironhalik | a2enmod mod_dir |
| 18:49.13 | ironhalik | ERROR: Module mod_dir does not exist! |
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| 18:49.27 | ironhalik | anyone knows hows it called in the repositories? :> |
| 18:49.30 | spal | something seems to be wrong with the installation. :) |
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| 18:50.21 | ironhalik | it seems to be a reported bug |
| 18:50.30 | ironhalik | that some modules are missing, its not the first one |
| 18:50.31 | spal | ironhalik, it comes with apache2.2-bin |
| 18:50.43 | ironhalik | k, ill try to install it |
| 18:50.55 | ironhalik | its there ;> |
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| 18:52.02 | spal | ironhalik, grep -r mod_dir /etc/apache2 |
| 18:52.26 | ironhalik | /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.load:LoadModule dir_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dir.so |
| 18:52.29 | ironhalik | /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf:<IfModule mod_dir.c> |
| 18:52.38 | spal | so, it is called dir |
| 18:52.48 | spal | and it doesn't seem to be enabled. god knows why. |
| 18:52.51 | spal | a2enmod dir |
| 18:53.09 | spal | you should see it in mods-enabled also. |
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| 18:54.04 | ironhalik | ha! win! |
| 18:54.09 | ironhalik | http://ironsoftware.net/ |
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| 18:54.39 | spal | great. i have no clue though why mod_dir would be disabled by default. there is no reason it should be so, unless you interrupted the apache2 installation. |
| 18:54.50 | ironhalik | theres a bug reported, that it somethimes goes missing |
| 18:55.00 | spal | okay |
| 18:55.03 | ironhalik | but it should be solved |
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| 18:55.15 | ironhalik | well, anyways thanks alot for the help spal |
| 18:55.17 | ironhalik | and nsadmin |
| 18:55.25 | spal | you're welcome. |
| 18:55.34 | ironhalik | ill now proceed to setting up wordpress and will probably be back soon ;> |
| 18:56.49 | Gm4n | if my mdadm raid5 is suddenly missing two drives, should I just add them again? (eg: mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 and repeat for second drive) |
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| 19:02.36 | hollow | I have a HDD of 250gb. what would you suggest for partitioning? how much swap? |
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| 19:03.14 | useless-eater | hollow: depends on how much ram |
| 19:03.23 | hollow | 4 gb. |
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| 19:04.17 | hydromet | hi, after compiling a patched Linux kernel for my Ubuntu Server 11.04 system, why do I get two linux-headers debian package files? (one ends in "all.deb" and the other ends in "amd64.deb" |
| 19:04.24 | useless-eater | server or not.. you might want to put e.g /var ++ on a separate partitions if server. |
| 19:05.25 | arghx | hollow: swap also depends on amount of memory available and what the intended usage for the machine is |
| 19:05.26 | useless-eater | i think the old way was, swap=ram x 2 ... but with 4gb I doubt youll need that much. at least not if desktop |
| 19:05.46 | hollow | personal desktop usage, 4gb of ram 250 gb hard disk. |
| 19:05.49 | guardian | hi, i'm new to debian admin; i want to setup a mail server. do i need both postfix + dovecot? |
| 19:05.51 | arghx | hollow: laptop? |
| 19:05.59 | hollow | HP dv6. |
| 19:06.05 | babilen | hydromet: I guess that you want either #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu, but not #debian (which is this channel) -- Good luck! |
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| 19:06.19 | petemc | guardian: postfix for sending, dovecot for imap/pop |
| 19:06.20 | useless-eater | but you should use swap.. thats for sure as linux likes to make use of the avialable ram (thats a good thing btw) |
| 19:06.21 | arghx | guardian: yes. postfix to transfer mail, dovecot to store it so people can access it via pop3 or imap |
| 19:06.32 | arghx | hollow: I suggest then to use 4-5GB of swap so you can hibernate |
| 19:06.39 | hollow | :) thanks |
| 19:06.48 | useless-eater | arghx: I agree |
| 19:06.51 | guardian | allright |
| 19:06.57 | useless-eater | 5 or 6 to be sure? |
| 19:07.11 | hollow | I'm going with 6gb of swap. |
| 19:07.11 | hydromet | babilen: I kindly disagree -- this is a Linux kernel related question that is specific to Debian packages (both Debian and Ubuntu use pkgs so it shouldn't matter which IRC channel its posted to) |
| 19:07.28 | arghx | nah. just mor than you have RAM so it's sure to have enough space to hibernate. not 50% more |
| 19:07.53 | useless-eater | arghx: ok 5 then :) |
| 19:07.54 | arghx | hydromet: but you do not run debian. and this is a channel for debian ONLY. no exceptions. please ask #ubuntu |
| 19:08.31 | guardian | also, i'm facing terrible time drifts; i have root access on a vhost; kernel is 2.6.32-5-xen-686; dmesg says clocksource is set to jeffies; i don't know where to look :( |
| 19:08.48 | hydromet | arghx: ok, I'll ask a different question -- have you ever compiled a Linux kernel patch for a Debian distro? |
| 19:08.55 | useless-eater | hollow: planning to put home as a separate partition? |
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| 19:09.11 | babilen | hydromet: You are free to disagree, but Ubuntu (Server) systems are *not* supported here but in #ubuntu{,-server}, so I would kindly ask you to go there. |
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| 19:11.09 | hollow | I'm not sure yet, useless-eater. |
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| 19:11.18 | hollow | I will reak some wiki articles now. |
| 19:11.20 | hollow | read* |
| 19:11.30 | Monotoko | hey guys, how do I find a folder using SSH? |
| 19:11.47 | nkuttler | Monotoko: man find |
| 19:11.47 | Monotoko | I've "lost" where ZNC was installed to from source ._. |
| 19:11.59 | petemc | Monotoko: find / -type d -iname foo |
| 19:11.59 | Monotoko | nkuttler, should have thought of that one, thanks |
| 19:12.07 | babilen | Monotoko: locate and/or find are your friends |
| 19:12.08 | nkuttler | Monotoko: or locate if that's installed |
| 19:12.08 | hydromet | babilen: I have asked in #ubuntu but no responses so far, so I thought I'd try here too (I understand they are separate distros but they do share some commonalities). Is there a specific "debian packaging" IRC channel (common to both Debian and Ubuntu)? |
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| 19:12.22 | Monotoko | petemc, even more helpful! |
| 19:12.37 | swine | wow, the ubuntu channel is abunch of cunts |
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| 19:13.00 | swine | wanna change the desktop colors ? well f* you |
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| 19:13.23 | babilen | hydromet: There is #debian-ubuntu but that channel is rather meant to provide packaging support. Please go to #ubuntu-server. It is, unfortunately, not our problem if #ubuntu is less helpful than #debian. Please accept this and lets drop this discussion now. Thank you and good luck. |
| 19:14.22 | babilen | swine: I am sure that #ubuntu is doing its best as well. No need for insults in here. |
| 19:14.39 | swine | babilen, their 'best' is insulting their users |
| 19:14.56 | swine | and saying to use something else if you aren't happy with a distribution that doesn't allow you to change dt colors |
| 19:14.58 | swine | pathetic |
| 19:15.06 | babilen | swine: Drop it please. |
| 19:15.08 | arghx | !tell hydromet about they don't know |
| 19:15.11 | daemonkeeper | We got it, swine. Now stop it. |
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| 19:15.38 | ompaul | hydromet: we had that little chat about that ohh a bit over two hours ago, I may be crazy but I have a memory you called us something and then we found out you were messing with crunchbang and now it is ubuntu two hours later |
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| 19:16.00 | ompaul | hydromet: I wonder if you even have a computer but that's just me :) |
| 19:16.07 | hydromet | babilen: thanks for pointing out that there's a separate #ubuntu-server channel, I wasn't aware of this. |
| 19:16.33 | babilen | hydromet: You are welcome. Good luck there! |
| 19:16.45 | hydromet | ompaul: you have the wrong person |
| 19:16.58 | ompaul | hydromet: wrong spy. I was just kicked in the shin a moment ago sorry |
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| 19:18.18 | noahfx | hi what debian architecture should i choose for an i7 amd64 or ia64? |
| 19:18.39 | arghx | amd64 |
| 19:18.45 | babilen | noahfx: amd64 of i386 -- ia64 is itanium |
| 19:19.13 | noahfx | arghx, babilen thanks :) |
| 19:19.29 | Kromgol | I'm having quite of a problem here - GRUB does not recognize my LVM partition, just says unknown filesystem! I've tried reinstalling it 3 times now. This all started to happen once i switched out the motherboard. |
| 19:19.30 | babilen | yw |
| 19:19.31 | Kromgol | Any ideas? |
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| 19:22.11 | Steltek | Hello. Quick question for somebody smarter than me. I can't start meld and some other GTK apps any more, something seems to be broken in Python. |
| 19:22.15 | Steltek | I get: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_combo_box_set_entry_text_column |
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| 19:22.30 | Steltek | How can I fix that? |
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| 19:26.44 | cardamon | Okay, I'm still trying to get wireless networking working on my box with no other internet |
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| 19:27.50 | cardamon | I got the right kernel now (grabbed squeeze-backports and firmware-ralink). |
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| 19:28.34 | cardamon | but so far the only interfaces I see is lo, and there's no wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:28.45 | cardamon | So I'm now trying to carry that over on a usb drive. |
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| 19:33.35 | Steltek | cardamon: even without wpa-supplicant, you should see the WLAN interface in 'ifconfig -a'. |
| 19:33.36 | CannedCorn | ey guys |
| 19:33.45 | CannedCorn | i'm trying to setup nginx on squeeze |
| 19:33.53 | Steltek | If it doesn't show there, you'll need to check the loaded modules and kernel messages. |
| 19:34.12 | CannedCorn | and i'm wondering if it makes sense to edit the sites-available/default |
| 19:34.17 | ironhalik | ok, im backok, im back - could someone help me with adding PHP to apache? installing libapache2-mod-php5 and generally php5 does not help |
| 19:34.19 | babilen | Steltek: Sounds like you are not using squeeze, but one of the development branches of Debian. (wheezy/sid) Furthermore I would speculate that you have a version mismatch between pygtk and gtk libraries on your system. This might be due to an incomplete update or an ongoing transition. |
| 19:34.23 | ironhalik | cant a2enmod php6 |
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| 19:34.41 | Kromgol | Uh |
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| 19:34.53 | Kromgol | What do i do to recreate everything /boot after deleting the initrd etc? |
| 19:35.22 | Steltek | Kromgol: Are the other kernel files still there? |
| 19:35.27 | Kromgol | Nothing. |
| 19:35.34 | Kromgol | Well |
| 19:35.37 | Steltek | If not, reinstall your kernel package. |
| 19:35.37 | Kromgol | There's nothing /boot at least. |
| 19:35.41 | Kromgol | Completely wiped |
| 19:35.45 | Kromgol | The root is still there. |
| 19:35.48 | Steltek | Also reinstall grub if that's what you use... |
| 19:35.58 | Steltek | (are you sure /boot is mounted, if it was a separate partition) |
| 19:35.59 | Kromgol | Yeah. |
| 19:36.11 | Kromgol | I am. I wiped the boot partition myself |
| 19:36.16 | Kromgol | Not thinking that much |
| 19:36.18 | Kromgol | :D |
| 19:36.33 | Kromgol | Anyway, how do i reinstall my kernel package from Debian rescue? |
| 19:36.33 | Steltek | OK... well, reinstall your kernel package and Grub.... |
| 19:37.05 | Steltek | OK... try this: mkdir /mydebian |
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| 19:37.23 | Steltek | then mount your Debian root partition there (i.e. mount /dev/sda2 /mydebian) |
| 19:37.38 | Steltek | mount your boot partition under that (mount /deb/sda1 /mydebian) |
| 19:37.45 | Kromgol | Everythings already mounted. |
| 19:37.48 | Steltek | (replace sdaX by your devicenames of course... |
| 19:37.57 | Steltek | OK... chroot to that directory then. |
| 19:38.03 | Kromgol | Done. |
| 19:38.07 | Kromgol | Debian rescue does that automatically |
| 19:38.07 | Kromgol | :> |
| 19:38.23 | Steltek | (Never used Debian rescue, I always do it manually). |
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| 19:38.38 | Steltek | Right... if you know the name, do apt-get reinstall <packagename> |
| 19:38.40 | babilen | Steltek: In that case you need /proc and /dev too |
| 19:38.50 | babilen | (or quite likely) |
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| 19:38.54 | Kromgol | I don't know the name of the kernel. |
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| 19:39.09 | Steltek | OK, do you have aptitude installed? |
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| 19:39.23 | Kromgol | If it's included on the debian rescue cd? |
| 19:39.31 | Kromgol | Let me check. |
| 19:39.40 | Steltek | try ls /lib/modules.... |
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| 19:40.02 | Steltek | You'll see subdirectories there like 2.6.39-2-686-pae, corresponding to the kernel you used. |
| 19:40.15 | Steltek | the kernel will then be called linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae |
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| 19:40.21 | Steltek | *kernel package |
| 19:40.24 | Kromgol | It is installed. |
| 19:40.36 | Kromgol | Ok. |
| 19:40.43 | Kromgol | Is that the package name then? |
| 19:40.56 | Steltek | check in /lib/modules what you got there.... |
| 19:41.05 | Steltek | (the above is just an example from my system) |
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| 19:41.48 | Steltek | babilen: yeah... but he says his chroot is already all set up so I assume those are there... otherwise I'd mount --bind them) |
| 19:42.04 | babilen | Steltek: sure :) |
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| 19:43.46 | ironhalik | ok, so I purged and reinstalled php5 mod for apache2 |
| 19:43.54 | ironhalik | a2enmod claims its install and enabled |
| 19:44.00 | ironhalik | yet php5 does not work |
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| 19:44.18 | Steltek | ironhalik: You restarted apache2, right? |
| 19:44.27 | ironhalik | sure |
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| 19:44.49 | Kromgol | Steltek: I found the kernel name |
| 19:44.58 | Kromgol | So i will just reinstall that, yeah? |
| 19:45.14 | Steltek | Yep... chroot to your installation and reinstall linux-image-<version> |
| 19:46.09 | Steltek | Also reinstall grub to get its files back into /boot/grub... |
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| 19:48.42 | Steltek | ironhalik: So you have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load ? |
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| 19:50.29 | ironhalik | yup, but its solved more or less |
| 19:50.43 | ironhalik | it was the fault of my browser cache after the mod installed corectlly |
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| 19:55.36 | leo_ | Hi ! |
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| 19:58.35 | nsadmin | ironhalik so for future, when you're debugging something like this it's useful to have tail -f running on the access log and the error log |
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| 20:03.10 | Kromgol | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=71469 |
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| 20:06.34 | guardian | should i rather add dirs in /etc/skel or do mkdir in http://adduser.local? also knowing that copying from /etc/skel doesn't keep permissions and ownership |
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| 20:08.10 | matiu | How can I see the post-installation script for a package ? |
| 20:08.19 | matiu | (please :) |
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| 20:09.57 | ompaul | matiu: look /var/lib/dpkg/info/imagemagick.postinst and the like |
| 20:10.18 | matiu | Thanks ompaul : |
| 20:10.19 | matiu | :) |
| 20:10.30 | matiu | I was looking for 'post*' :) |
| 20:10.31 | ompaul | matiu: you are welcome |
| 20:10.31 | matiu | found it |
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| 20:26.43 | silvertip257 | I'm trying to learn more about preseeding a netinstall. The doc here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman indicates partman-auto-recipe.txt and one for RAID ... the link to SVN is broken. Where else might I find these examples/documentation? |
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| 20:27.33 | parcs_ | when should one use stable-backports over testing? |
| 20:28.16 | simonlnu | if you have to ask... as much as possible |
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| 20:29.49 | parcs_ | is it more stable than testing? |
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| 20:30.33 | Bushmills | it is more tersted than testing |
| 20:30.40 | Bushmills | tested, even |
| 20:31.38 | cardamon | Silly question, but I'm trying to get into one of the mirrors via ftp |
| 20:31.49 | Bushmills | one can't really say how reliable something is unless it has been well tested |
| 20:31.59 | cardamon | And I can't seem to nail the syntax. |
| 20:32.09 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: They were all not responding to ftp earlier in the week. |
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| 20:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: http only last I checked. |
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| 20:32.38 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: really? And here I was thinking it was an id10t error on my end. |
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| 20:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | Yup, still down: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 20:36.13 | cardamon | Okay, maybe there's a better way to do this? |
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| 20:37.18 | cardamon | I need to mount the liveCD as a source for packages to set up my networking, because it was not setup during the install because of my lack of a kernel and firmware to support the card I needed. |
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| 20:38.57 | cardamon | Anyone know how to do that? |
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| 20:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Maybe there's something in the sources.list manpage. I think there's some sort of cdadd script. |
| 20:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Did you install from the live CD? |
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| 20:40.37 | parcs_ | what's the difference between vim-gtk and vim-gnome? |
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| 20:41.19 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: apt-cdrom seems to be what I want. |
| 20:41.39 | OSInet | Hello. I am trying to follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/CreateDummyPackage about how to create a package, but I get "Compatibility levels before 5 are deprecated". I am on Ubuntu 11.04, not on Squeeze: does this mean i cannot use these Debian tools ? |
| 20:41.43 | parcs_ | wait never mind. my google fu is weak |
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| 20:42.33 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, basically, I installed w/out configuring networking, then loaded up the kernel and firmware from backports, but now the networking part of the install was never done so I'm missing useful things like ...wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant and ANY interface other than lo |
| 20:42.56 | arghx | cardamon: but those should be all on the cdrom |
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| 20:44.55 | cardamon | arghx: Exactly why I'm thinking I mount the cdrom and use apt-cdrom to add it to sources. |
| 20:45.16 | cardamon | it took me a minute to find that that was what Ineeded to do. |
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| 20:46.05 | grimeton | hi |
| 20:46.10 | grimeton | are there jigdo files for sid somewhere? |
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| 20:47.53 | lanteau | any alsa pros around here? |
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| 20:53.12 | Guthur | I've just install squeeze, is there a way for me to install a few packages from testing |
| 20:55.07 | cardamon | Guthur: Yes, with apt pinning. |
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| 20:55.58 | cardamon | How do I know when a 600mb cat to a usb is finished? |
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| 20:57.41 | Guthur | cardamon: cheers, looks like exactly what i need |
| 20:58.42 | arghx | cardamon: no. never with apt pinning |
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| 20:58.53 | arghx | Guthur: no you don't. it will break your squeeze |
| 20:59.09 | arghx | Guthur: you either want to use backports or build your own backport /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:59.44 | Guthur | I have backports, but it doesn't have the up to date packages I would like |
| 20:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Well, it's not finished until you flush the cache, but the command should return to the shell. |
| 21:00.04 | arghx | then you need to create yor own backports for those. which packages do you need? |
| 21:00.25 | Guthur | arghx: I'd like the most upto date iceweasel |
| 21:00.36 | arghx | Guthur: mozilla.debian.net and you have it |
| 21:00.54 | arghx | so no need for testing or for backporting |
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| 21:00.58 | Guthur | ah cool, cheers |
| 21:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Mixing releases with pinning is theoretically possible and used to be more useful when things were less stable, but is now considered a Very Bad Idea and should only be used by experts. |
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| 21:01.51 | jhutchins_lt | Guthur: Try using the "older" packages. They are not the equivalent of similar versions in other distros, they have been patched. |
| 21:02.28 | jhutchins_lt | Guthur: If you run into something where the newer package actually has something you need, you can use a backport, request one, or build your own. |
| 21:02.34 | Guthur | jhutchins_lt: it's really just the browser I've got used to the recent version of firefox |
| 21:02.36 | qrq | How install XFCE 4.8 package from testing on squeeze? |
| 21:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | !mdn |
| 21:02.44 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 21:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Don't. |
| 21:03.00 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.00 | martinm | where do I file a grave bug against the Squeeze update (from Lenny) process? it's about turfing out grub-legacy, which works in this Xen environment, and thumbing its nose as it replaces it with grub-pc, which doesn't |
| 21:03.16 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: flush the cache? you mean $ sync |
| 21:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Mixing releases leads to clean reinstalls. |
| 21:03.30 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Yep, or umount. |
| 21:03.40 | qrq | jhutchins_lt So how install XFCE 4.8 on Squeeze? |
| 21:03.48 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: It wasn't mounted. |
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| 21:05.13 | cardamon | qrq: They just mentioned how. If it's not in squeeze but is in squeeze-backports, you can get it that way. Or you can apt-pin, which is apparently discouraged (and probably for good reasons...I used to do something similar with gentoo until I got into dep hell)...or just move the whole thing to wheezy. |
| 21:05.39 | qrq | cardamon Thanks :) |
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| 21:06.12 | qrq | cardamon I will not update xfce then. |
| 21:06.45 | eviltoaster | hm im using wmfs, what kind of package can i use to be able to put files on my desktop :/ |
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| 21:06.54 | eviltoaster | im using feh for background right know. |
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| 21:08.33 | eviltoaster | idesk.sourceforge.net |
| 21:08.35 | eviltoaster | nvm :) |
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| 21:08.53 | cardamon | Ugh, does debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso not have the packages I'm looking for? I catted it to a USB drive, then attempted to set it to a sources.list with apt-cdrom. I get "Unable to locate package files..." This tells me I'm looking at the wrong disk image for what I need? |
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| 21:09.31 | cardamon | Oh, I think I see. They're compressed in here, but apt-cdrom doesn't care about that so it just ignores it. |
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| 21:09.46 | sanduz2 | how can i check what is causing a port to be open? i removed the package that i was sure was the culprit but it still seems to be open even after restarting |
| 21:10.41 | Bushmills | netstat |
| 21:11.16 | eviltoaster | find out pid with netstat |
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| 21:12.02 | sanduz2 | thanks |
| 21:12.05 | Guthur | does iceweasel version numbering reflect firefox? |
| 21:12.49 | streuner_ | Guthur: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 21:14.53 | cardamon | Okay, I need packages like wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant on this netless machine. I tried taking a USB with debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso on it and $ sudo apt-cdrom add -d /media/cdrom0 only to get told it "Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes, 0 translation indexes and 0 signatures" |
| 21:14.54 | Guthur | ok, cheers streuner_ and qrq |
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| 21:16.02 | cardamon | Little help? |
| 21:16.03 | project2501a | hey guys: i got an i386 executable, but i have no source code for it. is it possible to decompile the damn thing into the gcc intermediate language, or object code and then recompile it for the new architecture i got? |
| 21:16.24 | arghx | project2501a: no it's not |
| 21:16.26 | project2501a | cardamon: hm? |
| 21:16.36 | project2501a | arghx: i have seen it done |
| 21:16.46 | project2501a | but the guy was a dick and he didn't want to explain how he did it |
| 21:16.49 | alternut | whats a good wireless manager to use in xfce4 or openbox? |
| 21:17.00 | beardy | project2501a: Not easily. |
| 21:17.07 | project2501a | not really? |
| 21:17.08 | arghx | alternut: wicd |
| 21:17.10 | cardamon | alternut: wicd is popular but no longer maintained. |
| 21:17.18 | project2501a | beardy: well i can get the object code, right? |
| 21:17.18 | alternut | well if it works |
| 21:17.20 | cardamon | But for the most part, It just works. |
| 21:17.26 | dym | Hey all - im trying to find a fast and convenient way to share files between multiple offices running heterogen networks on an online storage. Any suggestion for convenient solutions? |
| 21:17.38 | cardamon | arghx: Any clue what I'm doing wrong? |
| 21:17.48 | peterrooney | anyone remember which package has the debconf for which users may start the X server? |
| 21:18.01 | alternut | what about for bluetooth? |
| 21:18.15 | Bushmills | alternut: crunchbang. you were told already |
| 21:18.19 | arghx | cardamon: mount the cdr and and run apt-cdrom add ? |
| 21:18.19 | peterrooney | nevermind, x11-common |
| 21:18.21 | alternut | im running debian |
| 21:18.33 | cardamon | arghx: I'm trying. |
| 21:18.57 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.10 | Bushmills | dym: openvpn, nfs |
| 21:19.17 | cardamon | /media/cdrom0 being where fstab mounts /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:19.41 | Bushmills | dym: plus autofs |
| 21:19.46 | dym | Bushmills: thought of NFS too - but why vpn? |
| 21:19.59 | dym | authentification? |
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| 21:20.10 | Bushmills | "multiple offices" - you don't want nfs over public lines |
| 21:20.11 | arghx | cardamon: find /media/cdrom0 -name wpasupp* then |
| 21:20.40 | cardamon | arghx: nada |
| 21:20.41 | dym | Bushmills: thing is - clients need to be able to easily get access - plus theres static ip's at the client sites |
| 21:21.05 | arghx | cardamon: then it's not a proper debian ISO |
| 21:21.13 | Bushmills | dym: openvpn, nfs, autofs |
| 21:21.15 | arghx | cardamon: you have an ISO, right? if so, loopumount it |
| 21:21.17 | cardamon | It's debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 21:21.35 | arghx | cardamon: ls -l /media/cdrom0 |
| 21:21.38 | dym | Bushmills: openvpn would have to be deployed either at an office gateway, or per client. |
| 21:22.05 | sanduz2 | portmap is an unnecessary service right? |
| 21:22.13 | cardamon | arghx: looking for what? |
| 21:22.15 | arghx | dym: then buy routers which can do VPN |
| 21:22.26 | Bushmills | dym: either way |
| 21:22.27 | cardamon | Everything's readable. |
| 21:22.33 | arghx | cardamon: looking for how you put the ISO onto the stick and what files there are |
| 21:22.38 | streuner_ | sanduz2: used by NFS |
| 21:22.41 | dym | Bushmills: well - you mean because of the encryption, right? |
| 21:22.46 | sanduz2 | streuner_, thanks |
| 21:22.51 | dym | Bushmills: else i could just restrict access to the offices ips |
| 21:23.17 | streuner_ | sanduz2: be careful if that package on a server |
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| 21:23.36 | arghx | dym: that's foolish. either you use a sort of VPN or you don't use nfs/cifs |
| 21:23.43 | cardamon | arghx: I catted it...and because I'm not on that machine it's really hard to tell you. But Isse thinks like the win32-loader.inf, isolinux/, dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz... |
| 21:23.47 | sanduz2 | streuner_, yes its on my server but i never installed nfs nor do i want it running. no sure why debian came with it |
| 21:23.55 | dym | arghx: point taken. |
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| 21:24.05 | streuner_ | sanduz2: if you remove it, it could be, that you arent able to boot |
| 21:24.08 | cardamon | s/Isse thinks/I see things/ |
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| 21:24.13 | sanduz2 | streuner_, uh oh lol |
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| 21:24.26 | sanduz2 | streuner_, ok it booted fine, thank god |
| 21:24.31 | arghx | cardamon: do you still have rhe ISO file lying around? if so: mount it via loopmountr |
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| 21:24.58 | Gm4n | if my mdadm raid5 is suddenly missing two drives, should I just add them again? (eg: mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 and repeat for second drive) |
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| 21:27.41 | cardamon | arghx: http://paste.debian.net/137166/ |
| 21:27.49 | magdalene | skitters in an hides quickly under the #debian_fern |
| 21:28.00 | magdalene | *skitter**skitter* |
| 21:28.02 | magdalene | evening |
| 21:28.26 | arghx | cardamon: packages should be under pool IIRC |
| 21:28.27 | cardamon | the same exact thing I have on the USB drive mounted to /media/cdrom0 on the target machine. |
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| 21:29.12 | cardamon | arghx: they are indeed it looks like. |
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| 21:29.31 | cardamon | so how do I add them to sources.list? |
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| 21:29.54 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.17 | nsadmin | cardamon what do you mean |
| 21:30.47 | cardamon | Yes, but I'm gonna need other files...and their deps. This would go much faster if apt-cdrom -d /media/cdrom0 would do what I thought it would do. |
| 21:31.08 | cardamon | nsadmin: Your highlighting breaks my highlighting. |
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| 21:31.41 | nsadmin | are they on a cdrom? oh, when I pasted, there seemed to be funny char at start and end of your nic |
| 21:32.26 | arghx | nsadmin: on a usb stick |
| 21:32.38 | cardamon | nsadmin: I have a box with no net access and a lack of relevant packages. I'm trying to add debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso with apt-cdrom as a source so I can pull all those packages and their necessary files in. |
| 21:32.43 | nsadmin | as an image? or a filesystem |
| 21:32.52 | cardamon | it's a filesystem. |
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| 21:33.06 | cardamon | /dev/sdb1 mounted to /media/cdrom0 |
| 21:33.22 | nsadmin | oh, the .iso is an image (which is of a filesystem) |
| 21:33.27 | leandrosansilva | Hello to all. I accidentally changed my keybiard layout to a dvorak layout, and now I can't log in the system (either text mode nor graphical) because the keyboard layout is wrong. Is it possible to change this option without reinstall the system? I'm using testing packages. |
| 21:33.27 | cardamon | i didn't play with it because apt-cdrom said it needed a proper fstab entry, and that's the default. |
| 21:33.46 | nsadmin | so it's a mounted image therefore the filesystem is available |
| 21:33.47 | cardamon | nsadmin: I cat debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 21:34.00 | cardamon | So yes. |
| 21:34.05 | nsadmin | eeeep... |
| 21:34.24 | nsadmin | that's weird shit, maynard... |
| 21:34.25 | cardamon | That's how I created the device. |
| 21:34.39 | nsadmin | I don't see why it wouldn't work |
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| 21:34.57 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.12 | nsadmin | ok, do you see a dir debian at the root of the image |
| 21:35.30 | cardamon | yes |
| 21:35.36 | cardamon | it's a symlink, I think |
| 21:35.42 | nsadmin | and inside that dir, do you see dists? |
| 21:35.45 | cardamon | but I see itt |
| 21:35.48 | cardamon | yes |
| 21:35.53 | nsadmin | maybe it's a symlink to . |
| 21:35.58 | nsadmin | but either way... |
| 21:36.25 | cardamon | and then two dirs, squeeze and stable. |
| 21:36.36 | cardamon | stable being a symlink...probably to squeeze |
| 21:36.40 | dym | arghx: when using 2 NFS Servers in a HA environment - i could just use the shared IP address as the VPN endpoint for clients, right? |
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| 21:36.45 | nsadmin | partial source line: deb /media/cdrom0/debian squeeze main |
| 21:36.49 | cardamon | yuup |
| 21:36.57 | nsadmin | err no, correcting... |
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| 21:37.05 | nsadmin | partial source line: deb file:/media/cdrom0/debian squeeze main |
| 21:37.08 | nsadmin | there. |
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| 21:37.13 | nsadmin | try that |
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| 21:37.36 | cardamon | bizarre. |
| 21:37.57 | cardamon | My sources.list has ONE line in it. |
| 21:38.48 | cardamon | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20111008-14:36]/ squeeze main |
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| 21:39.01 | cardamon | everything else is commented out |
| 21:39.44 | nsadmin | that's probably what apt-cdrom did |
| 21:39.56 | Iridos | at least you cannot complain that it's overly complicated |
| 21:40.00 | cardamon | nsadmin: Anyway, I'm commenting it out and trying it your way. |
| 21:40.27 | nsadmin | but that's assumed to be a -cdrom- and it will ask you to insert (what will it ask?) a -cdrom- |
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| 21:41.22 | parcs_ | to install wheezy should i use the wheezy installer or the squeeze installer then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 21:41.33 | nsadmin | the line I quoted assumes the filesystem is mounted on /media/cdrom0 |
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| 21:42.21 | cardamon | nsadmin: It is at the moment |
| 21:42.30 | cardamon | Okay, didn't seem to work though |
| 21:42.36 | nsadmin | parcs_, more success likely by starting with stable. you only need the base, which is the minimum possible debian install |
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| 21:42.49 | nsadmin | did you aptitude update? |
| 21:43.08 | pwnstar | I have a 2ed USB hard drive. Going to set it up for ext2. For some reason gparted is defaulting to MS-DOS partition table. This drive will never even come close to a Windows machine. What should the partition table be? |
| 21:43.16 | cardamon | oh forgot that part |
| 21:43.26 | cardamon | derp |
| 21:43.29 | nsadmin | remember that part! |
| 21:43.42 | cardamon | It says some of the packages can't be verified. |
| 21:43.56 | cardamon | I'm telling it to damn the verification, full speed ahead! |
| 21:43.59 | nsadmin | that's not the biggest of deals |
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| 21:44.20 | pwnstar | ext2 because I do not want any kind of journaling since I often use urandom to wire free space. |
| 21:44.24 | nsadmin | you can try aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:44.27 | cardamon | Okay, wpasupplicant's in...what else do I need? |
| 21:44.34 | cardamon | wirelesstools? |
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| 21:45.02 | nsadmin | see if the module is inserted now... lsmod | grep wpa |
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| 21:45.40 | cardamon | nsadmin: nope |
| 21:45.52 | parcs_ | nsadmin: alighty, thanks |
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| 21:47.00 | cardamon | rt2800pci is though |
| 21:47.06 | nsadmin | hmm... ok, so I'm not so sure wpasupplicant is actually a module |
| 21:47.13 | cardamon | it isn't |
| 21:47.17 | cardamon | afaik |
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| 21:47.53 | nsadmin | ok, if you do ifconfig -a it should give you a list of paragraphs with names... could you collect the names on a line |
| 21:47.58 | cardamon | aha |
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| 21:48.12 | cardamon | I've got it, I think. |
| 21:48.14 | cardamon | Partially |
| 21:48.14 | pwnstar | The Partition Table and the File System are not the same thing. Why on earth does gparted default to a Partition Table that is msdos. I have not seen a Windows box in years. |
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| 21:48.52 | somiaj | pwnstar: because MBR is the standard partition table almost everything used for years (and most bios understand) |
| 21:49.01 | nsadmin | pwnstar who cares what it defaults to as long as you can put something else |
| 21:49.10 | somiaj | pwnstar: its only modern bios that support the newer/alternative GPT |
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| 21:49.42 | cardamon | iwlist wlan0 scanning says Network is down....I guess that means there's a service that needs restarting. |
| 21:49.59 | somiaj | cardamon: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 21:50.03 | somiaj | cardamon: then you can scan |
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| 21:50.26 | cardamon | No scan results |
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| 21:50.52 | cardamon | somiaj: nsadmin: and thanks for getting me to this point at least. |
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| 21:51.16 | pwnstar | somiaj nsadmin Wow, so I am going to have to use msdos PT. Kind of funny, I only use main repos and wont even think about using something that is not pure FOSS ie Flash Player. Anyway I should go with a PT msdos? |
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| 21:51.45 | Guthur | I installed the iceweasel-aurora from the backports, and it's FUBARed xfce4 panels |
| 21:51.57 | Guthur | is there a means to revert |
| 21:52.12 | arghx | you could uninstall that package |
| 21:52.13 | nsadmin | pwnstar, it just DEFAULTS to msdos which should imply there are other selectable possibilities |
| 21:52.17 | arghx | but it shouldn't change your panels |
| 21:52.19 | Guthur | the detail of the FUBAR is that they no longer appear |
| 21:52.22 | somiaj | pwnstar: you can use GPT if your bios understands it, but the MBR partition table works just fine for many cases (disk sizes are getting to the point people will slowly be switching) |
| 21:52.47 | nsadmin | pwnstar, at least you mention the word "default"... |
| 21:52.54 | pwnstar | nsadmin somiaj not going to boot on this disk. |
| 21:53.11 | Iridos | dpkg, echo |
| 21:53.11 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 21:53.12 | somiaj | pwnstar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record#Disk_partitioning (calling it msdos really doens't mean its made for windows, its really called the MBR partition table) |
| 21:53.13 | arghx | pwnstar: but if you want to use GPT you still need some msdos partition table style compatibility |
| 21:53.14 | cardamon | arghx: Thanks to you too |
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| 21:53.20 | pwnstar | sry keeys wrong here |
| 21:53.53 | arghx | cardamon: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
| 21:54.14 | somiaj | pwnstar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table -- that is an alternative, but as I said most older bios don't support it. So it makes sense to default with the table that is understood in almost all circumstances |
| 21:54.29 | nsadmin | installs a Lexicon PCM-80 into dpkg... let's get far more quality and some reverb on that echo |
| 21:54.47 | arghx | nsadmin: is that free software? |
| 21:54.52 | nsadmin | and some stereo bounce |
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| 21:55.00 | cardamon | arghx: Does that apply only to wpa? shouldn't I still be seeing networks by now? |
| 21:55.16 | nsadmin | no, it's about $2.6k worth of hardware |
| 21:55.19 | cardamon | I'm in a residential area with a large number of networks. Like 15 in range. |
| 21:55.24 | arghx | cardamon: you should via iwconfig scanning if your wlan driver can scan |
| 21:55.28 | somiaj | cardamon: iwlist wlan0 scan should show all networks you can see despite the encrption used |
| 21:55.48 | cardamon | somiaj: Which it did not at this point |
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| 21:56.59 | Guthur | for the record I got my panels back |
| 21:57.01 | pwnstar | somiaj I was just reading that about 5 min ago. Anyway this disk will look like this: cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-xts-plain -h whirlpool /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:57.10 | cardamon | point is I don't seem to have the ability to scan yet. |
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| 21:57.34 | Guthur | I believe it was due to xfce4-panel being missing from xfce4-session-settings |
| 21:57.41 | somiaj | pwnstar: that is just a filesystem put on a single partition. Just put a single mbr partition on it and don't worry. |
| 21:57.56 | Guthur | something must have stumped over the top of it |
| 21:58.21 | somiaj | pwnstar: look up the differences, since you seem to only want one partition you should be able to easly do it with an MBR parttion |
| 21:58.34 | amoxibos | alright i got a question - does anyone know of some preconfigured iso installation of debian for developers where i have eclipse + netbeans + svn + git + all the other dev-tools already configured? |
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| 21:59.12 | cardamon | amoxibos: Nope. But you can make one. |
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| 21:59.39 | arghx | amoxibos: that cannot exist. you mention non-free software in your list there |
| 22:00.05 | themill | arghx: which? |
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| 22:00.21 | arghx | themill: netbeans. do you honestly think oracle gives out source? |
| 22:00.22 | pwnstar | somiaj yes I know. Just that I am going to mount to to use VMs that I don't want cached on my main box. Got a little thrown when I saw that I had to use a PT that was called msdos. |
| 22:00.27 | themill | ,info netbeans --release sid |
| 22:00.28 | judd | Package netbeans (java, optional) in sid/i386: Extensible Java IDE. Version: 7.0.1+dfsg1-2; Size: 881.7k; Installed: 2120k; Homepage: http://netbeans.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/netbeans |
| 22:00.32 | themill | arghx: it's in main ... |
| 22:00.55 | arghx | thought sun closed it ages ago... |
| 22:00.57 | cardamon | iwlist scan shows wlan0 No Scan results, as opposed to Interface doesn't support scanning. |
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| 22:01.23 | arghx | amoxibos: live.debian.net has howtos how to create your own debian livecd. with all the packages you want |
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| 22:02.20 | amoxibos | i know how to make it - its just the time i dont have - i spend a week working with fedora, set it up - but i hate gnome 3 - i think the reason why proprietery exist is because of mistakes like fedora 3 - |
| 22:02.25 | amoxibos | i mean gnome 3 |
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| 22:02.49 | amoxibos | gnome 3 - it is as if all the hackers became kids over night who like shiny desktops that you can eat - the barby doll world |
| 22:03.31 | streuner_ | amoxibos: no |
| 22:03.41 | streuner_ | users want solutions |
| 22:03.56 | cardamon | I don't think /etc/network/interfaces is configured properly |
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| 22:04.03 | streuner_ | they arent care much of lizens issues... |
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| 22:04.44 | arghx | cardamon: which is why I gave you a link that tells you how to edit it |
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| 22:05.10 | fckgw | how do i add a user with password from commandline with one single command and without to confirm something? :) |
| 22:05.42 | amoxibos | i like lxde - but when i get up svn on my eclipse there, eclipse starts crashing cuz lxde doesnt support some God knows what parts |
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| 22:06.42 | somiaj | fckgw: man adduser, I belive you can put all the info with --foo options), though useradd might be a bit more lowlevel and better. |
| 22:06.52 | themill | fckgw: you can user "useradd", but better would be to use "adduser" then "chpasswd" |
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| 22:07.39 | TJNII | Does Debian have a VirtualBox binary that doesn't require X? I just want to run it at the command line. |
| 22:08.16 | Arrowmaster | try the virtualbox package, the gui is in virtualbox-qt |
| 22:08.23 | emorris | As far as dpkg is concerned, why is 2.30.1-2squeeze1 less than 1:2.22.2? What does the : mean? |
| 22:08.24 | cardamon | arghx: and it still didn't work. |
| 22:08.53 | babilen | !tell emorris about version epoch |
| 22:08.54 | arghx | cardamon: checked your kernel log for messages from the driver? |
| 22:09.21 | cardamon | arghx: Don't have one setup or know where to look |
| 22:09.37 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.37 | themill | emorris: that's a sign that you're mixing debian and ubuntu packages and that's a really bad thing to do. |
| 22:09.45 | arghx | and /var/log/messages |
| 22:10.12 | arghx | TJNII: it doesn't require X |
| 22:10.33 | emorris | themill, hmm, ok, thanks. Guess I'll compile it myself. |
| 22:10.52 | arghx | TJNII: don't let apt-get install recommends |
| 22:10.56 | themill | dpkg: tell emorris about package recompile |
| 22:11.33 | cardamon | arghx: an iface entry is just a network to connect to, right? |
| 22:11.48 | TJNII | arghx: It still wants x11-common and a bunch of graphics and alsa libraries |
| 22:11.51 | emorris | themill, thanks |
| 22:12.02 | TJNII | I guess not much can be done about that, though. |
| 22:12.22 | themill | TJNII: x11-common is a few config files, not X11 |
| 22:12.24 | arghx | TJNII: sure, but that's not "X" |
| 22:12.52 | arghx | cardamon: I don't understand what you mean |
| 22:13.38 | cardamon | iface wlan_home inet dhcp...that's just an entry in interfaces of a network you want to connect to |
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| 22:16.18 | cardamon | arghx: It doesn't tell me anything when I try to scan. |
| 22:16.22 | cardamon | Nothing outputs. |
| 22:16.50 | arghx | cardamon: did you do what I asked you to? |
| 22:17.47 | cardamon | Which part? |
| 22:18.11 | cardamon | I looked at kern.log and messages and neither shows anything when I scan. |
| 22:19.13 | arghx | not about scanning. about the driver loading in the first place |
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| 22:23.04 | lszyba1 | hello, |
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| 22:24.15 | lszyba1 | could you tell me what is the re.("....") that can parse Contents-i386.gz ? I'm not able to find it. I found parse_contents = re.compile("^(\S+)\s+(\S+,\S+)+$") but this only finds duplicates |
| 22:24.51 | cardamon | arghx: Well, I got one message that seemed odd about it. "phy -. rt2800pci_mcu_status: Error - MCU request failed, no response from hardware" |
| 22:25.14 | cardamon | s/phy/phy0/ |
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| 22:26.32 | streuner_ | lszyba1: strange, what do you try at all? |
| 22:26.42 | themill | lszyba1: what are you really trying to do? |
| 22:27.04 | streuner_ | lszyba1: just a guess, you are using apt-file update? |
| 22:27.51 | lszyba1 | I downloaded contents.gz...now In python I'm trying to parse the file to find any file that contins "usr/share/doc" |
| 22:28.33 | themill | lszyba1: that's a bit of a mug's game. You'd be much better of just using apt-file or zgrep directly. |
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| 22:30.30 | lszyba1 | I'm trying to build a database of the contents file. so I want to parse filenames with package names. Load them to database, etc... |
| 22:31.15 | themill | lszyba1: sure. Been there, done that. Make sure you have many GB of disk space available if you're going to do this for more than one architecture or release. And a good amount of memory too. |
| 22:31.21 | cardamon | sighs |
| 22:31.43 | cardamon | This isn't working and I do not know why, nor where to look |
| 22:32.18 | themill | lszyba1: You'll actually find that just calling zgrep (or apt-file) when you actually want to know what package owns a file is much easier. And if you're wanting to know what package owns a file on a system that you're installed, take a look at dlocate instead. |
| 22:33.42 | cardamon | I never was able to run the Networking Configuration part of the installer. Is there a way to run that now, after the fact/ |
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| 22:34.58 | arghx | no there isn't. and you never would have been able to run it anyways a) the installer never could see your wlan: no driver and b) it doesn't support WPA in any way either |
| 22:35.04 | lszyba1 | themill:Thanks, but again, I want to know how many files are in usr/share/doc/ folder by parsing Contents file. I just need the regular expression that does it properly...aka splits bin/bzgrep utils/bzip2 |
| 22:35.05 | Bo3Bo3 | wew |
| 22:36.05 | cardamon | Well then. |
| 22:36.33 | themill | lszyba1: umm... then you need to learn regular expressions. If you "just" need to know this then there are many easier ways of doing this than parsing Contents. |
| 22:36.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders what the end goal is |
| 22:37.00 | streuner_ | good question |
| 22:37.07 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: it seems to change often enough... |
| 22:37.53 | streuner_ | lszyba1: why do you want to know that at all? |
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| 22:39.07 | lszyba1 | themill:i figured the apt-file already has regular expression for that without me reinventing the wheel. i cant find sorce file that parses contents |
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| 22:40.07 | lszyba1 | streuner_: i want to extract all readme.Debian files |
| 22:40.07 | Bo3Bo3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.25 | themill | lszyba1: I still can't imagine why you'd reimplement this. "dlocate /usr/share/doc|wc -l" or "apt-file search /usr/share/doc|wc -l" |
| 22:40.49 | streuner_ | lszyba1: all of them, but why, do you want really read them all? :-P |
| 22:41.50 | themill | lszyba1: or for that specific problem, «apt-file search -x --package-only search '/usr/share/doc/\S+/README.Debian'» |
| 22:42.09 | Iridos | "apt-file search README.Debian" seems so much easier |
| 22:42.16 | themill | unless you're doing an "introduction to python" course, there are many better ways of doing this. |
| 22:42.30 | Iridos | heh |
| 22:42.40 | themill | (that will give you about 100Ã performance increase than just using python, too) |
| 22:42.51 | streuner_ | (he using python to do this...) |
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| 22:44.54 | Iridos | themill, interesting you check for /usr/share... I didn't think there should be any README.Debian outside... (indeed there are a small amount) |
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| 22:46.33 | lszyba1 | I'm not sure if apt-file searches all packages or just what I have installed on my system. |
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| 22:47.08 | streuner_ | apt-file searches the whole content, not only of your system... |
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| 22:47.23 | themill | lszyba1: is has a man page that is quite explicit about this |
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| 22:48.13 | lszyba1 | after I get a list of files, I want to get a list of packages that that file is in, |
| 22:48.13 | lszyba1 | then I want to download the .deb file for that package, extract the readme file. |
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| 22:48.42 | Matias__ | Hi |
| 22:48.56 | Matias__ | my touchpad is multitouch but Debian says it's not. is there anything I can do? |
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| 22:51.42 | Iridos | is that accessed via a kernel module? |
| 22:51.58 | Iridos | if yes, there might be an option on loading it to specify model/type? |
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| 22:53.04 | amphi | Matias__: xinput might be worth looking at |
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| 23:02.14 | chipotle | can someone tell me the right way to grep for a file (i only have a partial file name for it)? |
| 23:02.36 | PerfDave | chipotle: "grep for a file" in what? |
| 23:02.54 | chipotle | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.56 | BotTools42 | i luv arch_ange |
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| 23:03.11 | dvs | chipotle: man find |
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| 23:04.51 | chipotle | thanks |
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| 23:05.13 | Iridos | find . -type f |grep -i partialname |
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| 23:06.34 | DarkEyes | Hey, how do I configure apt? I installed Debian Squeeze from a cd, when I do apt update it just shows the repos from the cd it don't get them from the web. |
| 23:06.51 | somiaj | DarkEyes: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:07.00 | arghx | DarkEyes: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 23:07.08 | somiaj | DarkEyes: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 23:07.58 | DarkEyes | Thanks |
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| 23:08.33 | themill | lszyba1: sounds like you need a little shell scripting: «for package in $(apt-file -x --package-only search '/usr/share/doc/\S+/README.Debian'); do aptitude -q download $package; dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile $package*deb | tar --wildcards -xvf - \*README.Debian\*; rm *.deb; done» Set up some apt-caching before you run that. And keep reading manual pages until you understand what it's doing. |
| 23:08.40 | cardamon | gets some ice |
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| 23:08.59 | cardamon | iwlist scan SHOULD be showing me some networks. |
| 23:09.49 | PerfDave | Iridos: Wrong: find . -type f -name '*part*' |
| 23:10.29 | Iridos | PerfDave, not "wrong" it does what it wants and I don't like find wildcarding |
| 23:10.34 | Iridos | globbing, right? |
| 23:10.35 | themill | or better "locate" |
| 23:10.42 | Iridos | also need to quote and and and |
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| 23:11.52 | PerfDave | Iridos: It might give you the wrong answer, also |
| 23:11.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: dpkg-deb is a good one, i'll have to try and remember that |
| 23:12.06 | Iridos | how soi |
| 23:12.12 | PerfDave | grepping the output of find isn't reliable, because grep is line-oriented and file -print isn't. |
| 23:12.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | use finds -exec |
| 23:12.41 | themill | -print0 |
| 23:12.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | -exec grep <foo> {} \; or + |
| 23:12.49 | PerfDave | You could use find -print0 | grep -Z |
| 23:13.03 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: it was going to be that or dpkg with include/exclude statements and a different basedir.. but that's getting icky |
| 23:13.04 | PerfDave | Kamping_Kaiser: That's to grep within the output of find, which we aren't doing here I think |
| 23:13.12 | Iridos | which is not gonna matter in this case |
| 23:13.40 | un214 | PerfDate: right. You were faster on draw than I was |
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| 23:14.40 | PerfDave | Iridos: I'm guessing you don't know the vagarities of chipotle's filesystem, so you can't say it doesn't matter - better to provide a solution which is guaranteed correct. |
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| 23:15.06 | Iridos | this isnt a script that has to work on all kinds of crap but interactive use |
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| 23:15.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: i'd usually have used dpkg -x, which as you say, is a bit icky |
| 23:15.27 | PerfDave | Iridos: So? Still better to give a correct answer than a hopefully-correct one. |
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| 23:16.14 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: I don't believe you can filter dpkg -x to only give you the packages you want, so it would be very slow |
| 23:16.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats correct |
| 23:16.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | hence --fsys-tar being much nicer ;) |
| 23:16.42 | themill | (even with eatmydata) |
| 23:17.45 | Iridos | so you're giving me shit over something that isn't going to be relevant and if it would be one of those 0.0001% cases where it is, then it's fast enough to figure out in interactive use |
| 23:18.05 | themill | poor Iridos |
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| 23:18.14 | Iridos | the grep would even deal properly with whitespace, just not newlines |
| 23:18.25 | Iridos | I'm just not seeing why we're wasting any time on this |
| 23:20.16 | Iridos | also right... poor me |
| 23:24.41 | robin_sz | is there a version of debian for Win7 64 out yet? I think the new ubuntu is OK for that |
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| 23:27.25 | themill | wonders what that even means |
| 23:27.54 | Gm4n | anyone have experience re-adding drives to a failed mdadm raid 5? |
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| 23:28.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: confusion trolling? |
| 23:28.53 | User_CL | hi !!! |
| 23:29.37 | User_CL | which is kernel version in debian 6.0.3 ? |
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| 23:30.18 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 23:30.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 23:31.04 | Iridos | User_CL, ^^^ 2.6.32 is in squeeze (but 2.6.39 is available in backports if you need it) |
| 23:32.08 | User_CL | Iridos: need kernel 2.6.38+ for ssd, which url for download? |
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| 23:33.32 | threadlock | User_CL: install with your package manager, you also need squeeze-backport sources |
| 23:33.33 | Iridos | User_CL, do you need it during install? |
| 23:33.34 | Guthur | while trying to install the fglrx-driver i'm getting: Depends: xorg-video-abi-6.0 |
| 23:33.50 | Guthur | any ideas on a resolution |
| 23:34.21 | Iridos | don't use testing/unstable? |
| 23:34.42 | Guthur | Iridos: that for me? |
| 23:34.45 | threadlock | User_CL: http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 23:34.51 | User_CL | need install debian over ssd |
| 23:34.55 | Iridos | yeah.. best resolution |
| 23:35.03 | Guthur | this isn't testing/unstable |
| 23:35.15 | Iridos | dpkg, tell User_CL about kmuto |
| 23:35.16 | Guthur | I have backports that is all |
| 23:35.17 | cardamon | Okay, I'm really at a loss here. I'm trying to get wireless networking working on my fresh install. As of this moment I have a wlan0 inteface, but it's not returning anything when I scan. Details as follows:http://pastebin.com/ambKiDRV |
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| 23:36.45 | Iridos | cardamon, kill switch? |
| 23:37.57 | Iridos | judd versions fgrlx-driver |
| 23:37.59 | judd | No package named 'fgrlx-driver' was found in i386. |
| 23:38.11 | Iridos | judd versions fglrx-driver |
| 23:38.13 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-9-1 |
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| 23:38.29 | cardamon | Iridos: kill what? |
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| 23:39.04 | dvs | cardamon: Most laptops have an on/off switch for wireless |
| 23:39.17 | cardamon | dvs: What makess you think it's a laptop? |
| 23:39.36 | Iridos | cardamon, the kill switch... the button that switches wlan on and off on your laptop... the very simplest thing producing what you see would be if wlan is deactivated |
| 23:39.37 | cardamon | If it was a laptop, I would have said it was a laptop. |
| 23:39.46 | dvs | cardamon: That's what Iridos meant |
| 23:39.56 | cardamon | It's not a laptop. |
| 23:40.01 | cardamon | There is no kill switch. |
| 23:40.07 | cardamon | It's a PCI Wireless card. |
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| 23:40.13 | civillian | Yank the card? |
| 23:40.20 | nuno_nunes | This help to download to download this iso for install via usb |
| 23:40.38 | madsci44 | cardamon: you might have better luck with ifup and ifdown rather than running ifconfig directly if its setup in /etc/interfaces properly |
| 23:40.42 | cardamon | Quit being silly. |
| 23:41.14 | cardamon | madsci44: How would I know what proper is? |
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| 23:41.57 | cardamon | madsci44: /etc/interfaces doesn't exist. |
| 23:42.03 | madsci44 | sorry |
| 23:42.07 | cardamon | /etc/network/interfaces does. |
| 23:42.10 | madsci44 | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:42.10 | Guthur | http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/fglrx-driver |
| 23:42.10 | Iridos | Guthur, hmm, xserver-xorg-core in squeeze provides that... so if you don't have one from testing, you don't have X at all? |
| 23:42.23 | cardamon | and it's empty except for lo's entry. |
| 23:42.46 | Iridos | cardamon, and what made me think it's a laptop was that you have no output on a scan :) .... obvious, eh? |
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| 23:42.51 | madsci44 | so yeah setting up in there first would help |
| 23:43.01 | Guthur | Iridos: possible, this is a fresh install, but when i try to install xserver-xorg-core, it says it's installed |
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| 23:44.50 | Jasonn | hi. I did this on my server: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/block-ssh-attacks-with-denyhosts/ |
| 23:45.08 | Jasonn | and I added my host to the allow list, and I blocked all connections via SSH |
| 23:45.22 | Jasonn | and now it wont let me ssh into the box |
| 23:45.32 | Jasonn | so essentially, I want to "hack" my own server |
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| 23:46.01 | Jasonn | Jordan_U: know of anything I can do? |
| 23:46.10 | Jordan_U | Jasonn: No. |
| 23:46.14 | civillian | hah |
| 23:46.22 | Jasonn | I know |
| 23:46.25 | Jasonn | I am a retard... |
| 23:46.29 | Jasonn | drop it all on me |
| 23:46.44 | civillian | Jasonn: I can't get to that URL |
| 23:46.44 | cardamon | madsci44: The implication from http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK disagrees. It should scan BEFORE /etc/network/interfaces is setup. |
| 23:46.46 | civillian | seems down |
| 23:46.50 | dvs | !pal Jasonn |
| 23:46.50 | dpkg | points at Jasonn and laughs hysterically |
| 23:46.53 | Iridos | Guthur, well... you could try aptitude why-not fglrx-driver - or pastebin the error? possibly together the output of dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core (additionally, what could become useful is: apt-cache policy and/or the content of /etc/apt/sources.list ) |
| 23:47.02 | Jasonn | :/ |
| 23:47.34 | Jasonn | civillian: loads for me |
| 23:47.35 | Jasonn | try now |
| 23:47.40 | civillian | Jasonn: It's just come up now |
| 23:47.43 | Iridos | Jasonn, you can drive to the server or contact a person there |
| 23:47.46 | Jasonn | http://dfeojm.com |
| 23:47.48 | Jasonn | oh, ok :) |
| 23:47.49 | Iridos | or stay here a bit more to be laughed at |
| 23:48.07 | Jasonn | Iridos: do you know if OVH will do that? |
| 23:48.17 | BotTools42 | http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/318478_230734263654139_172784466115786_656071_197586960_n.jpg |
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| 23:49.18 | Iridos | Jasonn, next time use fail2ban ... that's packaged and automatically removes the bans again after 5 minutes |
| 23:49.28 | Jasonn | hehh |
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| 23:49.47 | Jasonn | Iridos: Have you used OVH servers before? |
| 23:50.02 | Iridos | no, but fail2ban :) |
| 23:50.07 | Jasonn | ok |
| 23:50.09 | Jasonn | well if you did |
| 23:50.23 | Jasonn | you would knw that they constatly attempt to hack them from ips in china |
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| 23:51.21 | cardamon | Oh look, setup /etc/networks/intefaces and it still does not scanned, pretty much just like I imagined. In fact, ifup wlan0 right after that tries to DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 and discovers it doesn't work...which is no surprise to me either because it's trying to connect to nothing. |
| 23:51.31 | cardamon | It can't see the networks. |
| 23:51.52 | madsci44 | cardamon: yeah sorry i misunderstood what you were trying to do |
| 23:52.01 | Iridos | cardamon, anything suspicious in dmesg when the kernel module for the wireless is loaded? |
| 23:52.27 | colby_ | does this command looked properly formatted to allow udp packets on ports # 16384-16640 |
| 23:52.40 | colby_ | iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 16384:16640 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:53.03 | Jasonn | calling ovh now |
| 23:53.14 | dvs | cardamon: iwlist wlan0 scan doesn't work either? |
| 23:53.17 | cardamon | colby_: highlighting someone's name won't get you help. |
| 23:53.25 | cardamon | dvs: No, it does not. |
| 23:53.35 | civillian | colby_: Yes, but it depends on what rules are being processed before that rule |
| 23:53.37 | cardamon | colby_: Especially when you highlight someone who doesn't know. |
| 23:53.44 | dvs | cardamon: what chipset is it? |
| 23:53.52 | Guthur | Iridos: http://pastebin.com/TYqASPxq |
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| 23:54.04 | colby_ | ok thanks |
| 23:54.06 | Guthur | nothing is jumping out at me |
| 23:54.17 | cardamon | RaLink Device 3052 |
| 23:54.19 | cardamon | er |
| 23:54.22 | cardamon | RaLink Device 3062 |
| 23:54.35 | cardamon | And yes, i have the proper kernel modules and firmware. |
| 23:54.55 | dvs | if you did, it would work |
| 23:55.04 | dvs | ;-) |
| 23:55.14 | cardamon | Iridos: Nothing suspcicious. I grepped dmseg for rt2800pci |
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| 23:55.42 | cardamon | rt28000pci 000:03:06.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 |
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| 23:55.55 | cardamon | Registered led device: rt28000pci-phy0::radio |
| 23:56.01 | Iridos | cardamon, grep's not good enough... usually there's several lines, not all have the name |
| 23:56.02 | cardamon | Registered led device: rt28000pci-phy0::assoc |
| 23:56.07 | cardamon | Registered led device: rt28000pci-phy0::quality |
| 23:56.40 | Iridos | actually another stupid thing to rule out... where is the antenna of that thing |
| 23:56.45 | cardamon | rt28000pci 000:03:06.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 |
| 23:57.19 | cardamon | ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithmm 'minstrel_ht' |
| 23:58.09 | Iridos | Guthur, huh... aptitude why-not tells you... "nvidia-glx Conflicts fglrx-driver" |
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| 23:58.21 | dvs | cardamon: That wiki page says that you need a 3.0.0 kernel. |
| 23:58.27 | madsci44 | phy0? |
| 23:58.27 | cardamon | Iridos: On the back of the box, right next to me. |
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| 23:58.47 | Iridos | alright :) |
| 23:58.48 | cardamon | dpkg: rt2800pci |
| 23:58.48 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n PCI chipsets (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2880, RT2890, RT3060, RT3062, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092, RT3390, RT3562, RT3592, RT5390) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.33. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 23:59.03 | Guthur | Iridos: yeah that did strike me as odd |
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