| 00:00.05 | Guthur | Iridos: especially considering apt-get says it is not installed |
| 00:00.09 | dvs | cardamon: That factoid and the referenced wiki page conflict with one another. |
| 00:00.18 | Iridos | Guthur, you have nvidia stuff installed next to it... and you can only have one glx - the only question is why that's not automatically uninstalled... |
| 00:00.28 | Iridos | judd, versions libvdpau1 |
| 00:00.29 | judd | Package: libvdpau1 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.3-2.1; squeeze: 0.4.1-2; sid: 0.4.1-3; wheezy: 0.4.1-3 |
| 00:01.11 | cardamon | dvs: Right, which is why I though when I loaded the kernel from squeeze-backports and the firmware from the squeeze-backports it would load up rt2860sta...but it loaded rt2800pci instead. |
| 00:01.26 | Guthur | mplayer2 depending on it maybe? |
| 00:01.55 | Iridos | no. libvdpau1 suggests it |
| 00:01.57 | Iridos | dpkg, suggests |
| 00:02.05 | madsci44 | cardamon: another thought - one time I had an issue with (i think it was an intel driver) wireless where there was another device handle to use it properly |
| 00:02.14 | Iridos | argh, that's not a factoid |
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| 00:02.33 | Guthur | oh, sorry i was talking about libvpau1 |
| 00:03.51 | Guthur | Iridos: but apt-get says there is not nvidia-glx installed, so how can it be removed |
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| 00:04.28 | cardamon | How would I know what to use? |
| 00:04.52 | Iridos | judd, versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:04.53 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny4; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-13; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.11.1-1; sid: 2:1.11.1.901-1 |
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| 00:05.21 | Iridos | oh |
| 00:05.22 | madsci44 | .. I couldnt get it to scan with wlan0 but rather using iw0 or something like that with iwconfig.. maybe your driver has another handle like that? - just an idea |
| 00:05.46 | Iridos | Guthur, use aptitude instead of apt-get. Does that provide a solution? |
| 00:06.21 | Guthur | well it might, I just didn't want to mix, as I had started of using apt-get |
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| 00:06.55 | Iridos | well, I think at the bottom of the problem will be your use of xorg from bdo |
| 00:07.24 | cardamon | madsci44: There are no other interfaces and I did not do anything to name it wlan0 |
| 00:07.42 | Iridos | if there's no nvidia-glx installed, then aptitude why-not is leading us astray |
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| 00:08.15 | Guthur | Iridos: ok aptitude is doing it's thing, though it threw up the same error |
| 00:08.37 | madsci44 | maybe phy0 ? |
| 00:08.40 | Guthur | admittedly the fglrx install instructions did use aptitude, I just tend to use apt-get |
| 00:08.55 | Guthur | following this http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
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| 00:09.34 | cardamon | madsci44: the interface doesn't exist. |
| 00:09.36 | Iridos | dpkg, fglrx dkms |
| 00:09.36 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 00:09.43 | Iridos | guess that's about the same as this |
| 00:09.47 | madsci44 | k |
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| 00:10.37 | Iridos | dunno why suggests turned up there at all |
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| 00:16.11 | Guthur | Iridos: sorry got disco'd |
| 00:16.19 | Guthur | aptitude has the same issue |
| 00:16.29 | Guthur | can't resolve that abi depend |
| 00:16.33 | buhman | are there any stand up comedians that talk about computer-related things? |
| 00:17.07 | Iridos | Guthur, suggests arent compulsatory at all |
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| 00:18.27 | Iridos | Guthur, and you get our short form of those instructions if you /msg dpkg fglrx dkms |
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| 00:22.09 | lszyba1 | themill:Thanks for the quick command. I've looked at the apt-file and I see : File name may contain spaces, so match template is |
| 00:22.09 | lszyba1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.09 | lszyba1 | I'll use that. Reason being I can parse content for all arch...stay tuned: http://lucasmanual.com/. Thank you |
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| 00:22.39 | Iridos | Guthur, oh, all right. I must be tired. The problem is you have xorg from backports and that's the version from testing and it's from after the abi change |
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| 00:22.54 | Aleo | hi ppl |
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| 00:24.36 | Iridos | Guthur, all that other stuff from aptitude was just there to confuse me, which worked (actually I would say the output of aptitude why-not fglrx-driver is a bug) |
| 00:24.48 | Iridos | judd, versions fglrx-driver |
| 00:24.49 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-9-1 |
| 00:25.05 | Guthur | Iridos: aptitude has give me some options |
| 00:25.18 | Guthur | which I missed the first time, not used to aptitude |
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| 00:25.33 | Guthur | it's downgrading some packages, and now install fglrx |
| 00:25.36 | Guthur | -driver |
| 00:25.54 | Iridos | Guthur, try to use fglrx-driver from backports |
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| 00:26.52 | Iridos | oh, that's lenny backports, so there is none |
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| 00:26.59 | Iridos | but really... it wasn't such a good idea to use a backported xorg... |
| 00:27.42 | Guthur | might have got carried away there, I only actually wanted the up to data iceweasel |
| 00:27.59 | Iridos | Guthur, guess you either go back to squeezes version of xorg (caveat: /msg dpkg downgrade ), you backport fglrx-driver from testing yourself (for the procedure: /msg dpkg ssb) |
| 00:28.13 | Iridos | or you do without fglrx |
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| 00:28.23 | Iridos | I think that's basically the options you have |
| 00:28.26 | Guthur | Iridos: option 3 is not really a go |
| 00:28.47 | Guthur | ok, cheers Iridos |
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| 00:29.13 | Iridos | Guthur, I didn't say any of them were GOOD options.... I said those are basically the ones you have |
| 00:29.53 | Guthur | well I'll see what aptitude has manage now, need to signout |
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| 00:31.43 | cardamon | I'm gonna try the driver that came with the card. |
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| 00:32.29 | joeoshawa | i am having a little problem with subversion i am trying to download radiant and it won't connect to https://zerowing.idsoftware.com but when i ping it its fine |
| 00:33.34 | joeoshawa | the full command i am using is " svn checkout https://zerowing.idsoftware.com/svn/radiant/GtkRadiant/trunk ./ZeroRadiant-src |
| 00:33.34 | joeoshawa | " |
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| 00:37.18 | madsci44 | cardamon: have you tried just typing 'iwconfig' by itself ? |
| 00:38.03 | madsci44 | you might see an ra0 device |
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| 00:39.28 | Iridos | joeoshawa, ping response doesn't usually guarantee you can connect to a webserver if it's not up :) |
| 00:39.31 | Iridos | it's just down |
| 00:40.18 | joeoshawa | so how do i tell if its subversion or the server |
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| 00:40.39 | flooppy | Has anyone encountered this bug in winbind: tevent_loop_once() failed: Bad file descriptor? |
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| 00:41.47 | joeoshawa | and if it was down wouldn't it drop the ping |
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| 00:42.55 | aPpYe | I am migrating from archlinux to debian ... I initiate reverse ssh tunneling at startup from friend and family machines. I need to copy over the ssh server "identity" from the arch machine to the new machine ... Normally, I would just copy over the entire contents of /etc/ssh/ to the new machine (archlinux to archlinux), but since I am making a debian machine, I am not sure what I need. Perhaps I just need a specific file? Here is wh |
| 00:42.55 | aPpYe | at I currently have in /etc/ssh/
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/493645/ |
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| 00:43.16 | rue_shop2 | shouldn't non-free give me access to acroread? |
| 00:43.22 | rue_shop2 | I cant find it |
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| 00:45.34 | rue_shop2 | debhelper, acroread |
| 00:45.43 | rue_shop2 | !find acroread |
| 00:46.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'acroread' (4 of 19): (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/X/_acroread) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/pyshared/orca/scripts/apps/acroread.py) in gnome/gnome-orca ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/acroread.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/X/_acroread) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 00:46.10 | rue_shop2 | I dont want you to update your files, tell me if you ever saw the blooming package |
| 00:46.28 | rue_shop2 | where is the acroread package? |
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| 00:48.44 | joeoshawa | rue_shop2, squeeze? |
| 00:49.26 | joeoshawa | rue_shop2, it has its own repository |
| 00:49.51 | rue_shop2 | 6.0.1 |
| 00:49.53 | rue_shop2 | ? |
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| 00:50.18 | joeoshawa | # Debian Multimedia (unofficial): Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) |
| 00:50.18 | joeoshawa | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 00:51.03 | rue_shop2 | acroread was put in multimedia? |
| 00:51.07 | joeoshawa | you need that repo |
| 00:51.13 | joeoshawa | apparently |
| 00:51.20 | joeoshawa | according to the wiki |
| 00:51.24 | rue_shop2 | I dont understand why, but thankyou |
| 00:51.31 | joeoshawa | no problem |
| 00:51.55 | rue_shop2 | everything seems to be moving to multimedia, is there an OLD copy of xcalc before someone messed it up? |
| 00:52.21 | joeoshawa | no idea |
| 00:52.32 | rue_shop2 | darn |
| 00:52.44 | rue_shop2 | I should work on getting status to create packages |
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| 00:53.52 | rue_shop2 | is anyone here a developer or sponsor? |
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| 00:55.22 | n-iCe | hello, I have a laptop who has a builtin turn up and down volume system, but does not work with linux, tried a lot of distros, I am in Windows right now, installed it to see if the buttons were working alright and they do, is there any way to get the windows drivers and make them work in linux or something, don't know , to get how they work or something? |
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| 00:59.39 | wisc | is there anyone here running tint2 on wheezy? |
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| 01:03.17 | rue_shop2 | n-iCe, just a matter of working out what codes the buttons produce and configuring them to do soemting |
| 01:03.35 | n-iCe | could you explain me more? I mean details? |
| 01:03.38 | rue_shop2 | I have no clue how to do it, I use OLD keyboards that dont have all that junk |
| 01:03.58 | rue_shop2 | but basically every keybaords sends events when you do stuff |
| 01:04.09 | rue_shop2 | there is a program (?) that recieves events and does things |
| 01:04.23 | rue_shop2 | it has a config file that determines what it does |
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| 01:04.28 | rue_shop2 | (in X) |
| 01:05.32 | Aleo | brb |
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| 01:06.24 | BotTools42 | !seen themill |
| 01:06.25 | dpkg | themill <~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 23m 38s ago, saying: 'roddie: because aptitude will do other things to try to get to the end-point you requested (e.g. removing other packages or upgrading packages)'. |
| 01:06.25 | Jikan | themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill a été vu(e) pour la dernière fois Mon Oct 17 02:13:14 2011 quittant le réseau. |
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| 01:17.42 | cardamon | Trying to figure out what http://paste.debian.net/137219/ is saying to do to http://paste.debian.net/137217/. I'm not really experienced with working with sources. |
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| 01:20.17 | Jikan | babilen a été vu(e) pour la dernière fois Mon Oct 17 03:20:16 2011 parlant sur #debian |
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| 01:31.32 | flooppy | Has anyone encountered this bug in winbind: tevent_loop_once() failed: Bad file descriptor? |
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| 01:34.59 | cardamon | why is make not working on this file? |
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| 01:35.55 | cardamon | Oh. |
| 01:35.58 | cardamon | Because I don't have gcc |
| 01:36.00 | cardamon | duh |
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| 01:40.11 | cardamon | ...still not working |
| 01:41.19 | nsadmin | install build-essential |
| 01:41.49 | nsadmin | then the C compiler will -work- for simple (and also libless) compiles |
| 01:43.30 | cardamon | got it. |
| 01:43.53 | cardamon | but it didn't compile. |
| 01:44.30 | cardamon | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 01:44.46 | madsci44 | did you install kernel headers? |
| 01:44.59 | madsci44 | or source (depending on what your doing) |
| 01:45.05 | babilen | cardamon: I really doubt that you have to compile your wifi driver from scratch for your adaptor. I'd recommend checking on, for example, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ which kernel version you need. Please also check the wiki on how to configure your device. It *might* also be that your wifi has a kill-switch (soft kill) which you can check with "rfkill list" |
| 01:45.07 | nsadmin | seems like eotjer kernel src or kernel headers are needed |
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| 01:46.26 | cardamon | babilen: The issue's alittle bit more troubling than that. |
| 01:47.05 | nsadmin | cardamon, one thing I missed from hours ago... if you run ifconfig -a (no other params), you will see paragraphs and for each, a short name. collect all the names on one line. show that line here. |
| 01:47.22 | babilen | cardamon: You might want to elaborate on that |
| 01:48.00 | cardamon | babilen: rather than kmuto, I have a fresh squeeze install and the squeeze-backports kernel, along with backport's firmware-ralink installed. |
| 01:48.35 | cardamon | It's an RaLink Device 3062 |
| 01:48.38 | babilen | cardamon: How does this relate to the HCL results? |
| 01:48.55 | nsadmin | cardamon, please show that line here. |
| 01:49.17 | cardamon | Which means either rt2860sta driver or rt2800pci driver, depending on the kernel version. |
| 01:49.26 | cardamon | babilen: HCL? |
| 01:49.30 | cardamon | nsadmin: line? |
| 01:49.40 | nsadmin | cardamon, one thing I missed from hours ago... if you run ifconfig -a (no other params), you will see paragraphs and for each, a short name. collect all the names on one line. show that line here. |
| 01:49.46 | babilen | Do you have the pciid of that device (lspci -nn|grep -i network) ? What is the line nsadmin asked about and the rfkill result? |
| 01:50.05 | cardamon | nsadmin: eth0, lo, wlan0 |
| 01:50.12 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 01:50.21 | nsadmin | the wireless driver is installed |
| 01:50.22 | madsci44 | try iwconfig by itself - same thing? |
| 01:50.40 | cardamon | babilen:03:06.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3062 |
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| 01:51.17 | cardamon | madsci44: Yes. |
| 01:51.34 | nsadmin | so, could you pastebin your dmesg? it might show something when the kernel tries to load the driver, or successful load, and something happens during initialization |
| 01:51.43 | cardamon | No, I can't. |
| 01:51.57 | cardamon | I'm not on the box I'm trying to get the wireless working on. |
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| 01:52.08 | cardamon | It has no net access. |
| 01:52.26 | nsadmin | but you have a usb storage thingy? |
| 01:52.30 | cardamon | Yes. |
| 01:52.42 | nsadmin | you could dmesg > dmesg.txt |
| 01:52.53 | nsadmin | then copy dmesg.txt to the thingy |
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| 01:53.58 | babilen | cardamon: The pciid would be handy, which is the alphanumerical identifier in brackets at the end of that lspci line. Do you have a way to connect to ethernet? |
| 01:54.15 | nsadmin | ("thingy" being a very useful technical term... used it with fortune-100 tech people) |
| 01:54.21 | cardamon | babilen: No. |
| 01:54.25 | nsadmin | and it never meant the same thing... |
| 01:54.29 | nsadmin | not even once... |
| 01:54.36 | cardamon | babilen: And yes, that's how I found the drivers. |
| 01:54.43 | babilen | cardamon: Please also install/run rfkill and reload the module and check "dmesg|tail -n 23" afterwards. |
| 01:54.51 | egsome | If I enable `sid`, Can I prevent any updates or installs from it till I approve ? |
| 01:54.54 | babilen | cardamon: How did you find the drivers? |
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| 01:55.00 | cardamon | babilen: [1814:3062] |
| 01:55.10 | cardamon | babilen: Someone whoo knew the same thing. |
| 01:55.15 | cardamon | Told me |
| 01:55.25 | babilen | egsome: Do not give them the necessary priviliges to install packages. |
| 01:55.25 | nsadmin | egsome, sid isn't for doing any kind of real work whatsoever. |
| 01:56.43 | cardamon | babilen: Do not know what package rfkill is in...and probably can't get it. |
| 01:56.48 | nsadmin | also, if you are not already running sid, you should never install any sid binary packages. |
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| 01:57.20 | cardamon | I'm limited to what's on debian installer CD I installed from. |
| 01:57.21 | nsadmin | unless you know exactly what you're doing together with exactly what's in the package |
| 01:57.28 | cardamon | amd64 CD1 |
| 01:57.59 | nsadmin | how large is the thing the cd is on? |
| 01:58.01 | egsome | nsadmin, Sure I'd not install any package till I know what I'm doing with it, and that why I'm asking that question .. |
| 01:58.12 | egsome | babilen, How to do so ? |
| 01:58.17 | cardamon | nsadmin: 4GB |
| 01:58.50 | nsadmin | cardamon, you could potentially put four or maybe five cd images on that |
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| 01:59.57 | babilen | cardamon: That device is supported in newer kernels, please run "modprobe -r rt2800pci ; modprobe rt2800pci ; dmesg |tail -n23", "iwconfig -a", "ifconfig -a" and "iwlist wlan0 scan" -- Do you get any (obvious?) error messages? Messages regarding the firmware? Is the device listed? Please also install rfkill and run "rfkill list" and check if the device is hard or soft locked. |
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| 02:00.53 | babilen | cardamon: You can install packages manually with "dpkg -i the.deb", from the CD1 or with tools such as apt-zip. |
| 02:01.08 | babilen | cardamon: here newer kernel is 2.6.33+ AFAICT |
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| 02:01.29 | cardamon | babilen: I got stuck in a loop because I restarted and now it's trying to listen to what I wrote in /etc/network/interfaces and trying to bring up wlan0...ah, there it goes. |
| 02:01.46 | babilen | cardamon: there it goes? |
| 02:01.50 | cardamon | babilen: I know. I have CD1 set as a source. |
| 02:01.51 | nsadmin | oh, and if you put just four images on there (not with cat x.iso > /dev/sdb2 or like that) you can also fit things like logs, dmesg listings, etc etc |
| 02:02.05 | cardamon | babilen: It loads. I rebooted to get you a smaller dmseg with the relevant stuff. |
| 02:02.07 | babilen | "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" should work if the device is down. |
| 02:02.20 | babilen | cardamon: Just run the modprobe line I mentioned earlier. |
| 02:02.30 | cardamon | What to run first? |
| 02:02.43 | nsadmin | anyway... glad to see you're progressing... I'm gon across a bridge... |
| 02:02.56 | babilen | (/me as well soonish) |
| 02:03.00 | babilen | nsadmin: Good night |
| 02:03.11 | babilen | cardamon: modprobe please |
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| 02:04.40 | cardamon | babilen: all at once? |
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| 02:05.49 | babilen | If you refer to the commands in "..." then yes, if you are asking if you should run *all* commands at once then no. (i.e. not "...|tail -n23 ; iwconfig ..." |
| 02:06.36 | babilen | But I merely wanted to mention additional ways to gather information. I deem the results of the rfkill test to be quite important |
| 02:06.50 | cardamon | babilen: didn't work when I ran everything inside the "" at once but did when I ran them seperately |
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| 02:08.38 | babilen | unlikely |
| 02:09.24 | babilen | but what are the results? |
| 02:10.20 | cardamon | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/137228/ Still doing the others. |
| 02:10.55 | babilen | Do you type that? |
| 02:11.26 | cardamon | type what? |
| 02:11.29 | babilen | I guess not, but you might still be interested in the "script" utility. |
| 02:11.53 | babilen | cardamon: Those pastebins (but you probably don't as there are no typos or other indications that this was not copy & pasted. |
| 02:12.32 | cardamon | I copied a pasted. |
| 02:12.44 | cardamon | I could pipe too, but I went fast. |
| 02:13.02 | cardamon | And pipe still isn't the first thing I ghtink of |
| 02:13.47 | babilen | looks fine so far |
| 02:14.08 | cardamon | wlan0's down at the moment, so giving you the results of iwlist wlan0 scan won't do any good. |
| 02:14.13 | cardamon | I should bring it up. |
| 02:14.39 | cardamon | babilen: It just says interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down |
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| 02:15.15 | babilen | cardamon: "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 02:15.47 | cardamon | babilen: No scan results |
| 02:16.08 | babilen | rfkill? |
| 02:16.19 | cardamon | Do not have it. |
| 02:16.28 | babilen | Install it then |
| 02:16.29 | cardamon | if needed, I can dpkg it in |
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| 02:17.49 | nsadmin | cardamon cmon now... I get the feeling you like to do things your way and in your order, and that is fine IF you're not involving the time of other people who ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT to help you |
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| 02:19.40 | nsadmin | maybe you don't realize this... but the typical way a helper can feel when this happens, is moving forward a step, assuming you're moving to the same place when you're moving elsewhere or not at all, then having to go 30 steps back (remember, this is perception) several hours later |
| 02:19.47 | egsome | When should Gnome 3 be available on Debian ? |
| 02:20.02 | madsci44 | hopfully not for 10 more years |
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| 02:20.03 | nsadmin | it should be available in 1970 |
| 02:20.27 | nsadmin | it might not actually be available then :) |
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| 02:21.09 | babilen | egsome: wheezy will release with it (and a gnome-session-fallback package for a gnome2 interface) |
| 02:21.16 | karlpinc | egsome: In the next stable release of debian, unless you want to run testing. Some do. I find I want my system to _always_ work, without having to pay any attention to the matter. |
| 02:21.20 | nsadmin | as you can see... opinions differ WIDELY :) |
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| 02:21.41 | babilen | !tell egsome -about gnome3 |
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| 02:21.54 | cardamon | nsadmin: Don't say chomp. |
| 02:22.01 | nsadmin | yeah, I like not having to pay attention to things I don't have to |
| 02:22.04 | babilen | egsome: The website linked in the factoid dpkg sent you contains per-package based information on the ongoing transition. |
| 02:22.05 | cardamon | I just finished a horribly long perl project. |
| 02:22.23 | nsadmin | why? does that identify me as a perly guy? |
| 02:22.53 | cardamon | chomp is a perl function to trim whitespace, any have to do it all the time when parsing stdin |
| 02:23.12 | nsadmin | that phrase incl the word chomp predates the inception of perl by decades... |
| 02:23.15 | wisc | hi, i just installed ubuntu's version of packet tracker, but the toolbar fonts look huge and ugly. i've already got microsoft's fonts installed so it can't be that; in fact, after doing a little research it seems it's an issue with some libqt libraries. i've installed the necessary packages, but they're nowhere to be found on the system itself (i'm using mlocate to find them) any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 02:23.35 | karlpinc | !tell wisc about ubuntu |
| 02:23.35 | cardamon | babilen: 0: phy0: wireless LAN |
| 02:23.37 | nsadmin | it might even predate inception of cars |
| 02:23.42 | cardamon | Soft blocked: no |
| 02:23.48 | cardamon | Hard blocked: no |
| 02:23.49 | egsome | babilen, When wheezy should be released ? |
| 02:24.00 | karlpinc | !tell egsome about guess the release date |
| 02:24.17 | wisc | karlpinc: it doesn't matter it's an ubuntu package. it runs just fine on pretty much any distro out there |
| 02:24.32 | nsadmin | it SHOULD be released in the 24.5th century... it might actually be released sooner... |
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| 02:24.45 | karlpinc | wisc: Are you running it on a debian system? |
| 02:25.11 | wisc | karlpinc: hell, forget i even said anything about ubuntu. i'm just trying to find where the libqt4 packages are installed. and yes, i am running it on wheezy |
| 02:25.17 | karlpinc | egsome: Nobody knows. A year, two? See the <release history> factoid. |
| 02:25.25 | nsadmin | wisc, how would you go about installing it on a dist without dpkg? |
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| 02:25.54 | karlpinc | wisc: Ok. Do yo0u know the package name that holds the libqt4 files? |
| 02:25.56 | nsadmin | actually don't answer that :) |
| 02:26.10 | egsome | karlpinc, Really ?, No limits for time between release ? |
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| 02:26.27 | nsadmin | nope. no schedule, no limit. |
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| 02:26.44 | cardamon | babilen: nsadmin Does that tell you anything useful? |
| 02:27.00 | wisc | nsadmin: there's an alternate installer for it. and the packages are libqt4-webkit, libqt4-webkit and libqt4-qt3support. i've already checked the "list of files" sections, and the files are nowhere to be found there |
| 02:27.03 | cardamon | It tells me rkfill see's an interface other than wlan0. |
| 02:27.11 | nsadmin | well the kill switch seems to not be switched |
| 02:27.12 | wisc | karlpinc: ^ |
| 02:27.21 | karlpinc | egsome: But you can run testing anyway. There's a package that tells you about outstanding problems so you can minimize breakage as it gets updated. But I don't know the details. |
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| 02:27.41 | wisc | karlpinc: sorry about that. pls see my response to nsadmin |
| 02:27.51 | madsci44 | fascinating |
| 02:27.57 | karlpinc | wisc: If you know the file names then use apt-file to find the package (or the path.) |
| 02:28.15 | egsome | karlpinc, I have to install it ?, Or can just enable repos ? |
| 02:28.22 | karlpinc | madsci44: You might want to see the <stable> and <introduction> and <overview> factoids. |
| 02:28.29 | babilen | cardamon: Play around with phy0 (is that the only device?) then ... I am off for now. Good luck! |
| 02:28.32 | nsadmin | wisc, that installer would have nothing to do with any debian or debian-based then... wouldn't change the installed package database either |
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| 02:28.42 | karlpinc | !tell egsome about apt-file |
| 02:29.30 | karlpinc | egsome: Oops. That was for wisc. |
| 02:29.32 | nsadmin | but anyway, you'll have to play with the fonts... evidently ubuntu chose to use their own standard for sizes... or something along those lines |
| 02:29.41 | karlpinc | !tell wisc about apt-file |
| 02:29.45 | wisc | nsadmin: but it sort of does. it's made specifically for ubuntu/debian so you have to change a config file if you'd like for it to install smoothly. it has something to do with directories and whether or not you have sudo installed |
| 02:30.13 | wisc | karlpinc: thanks, installing it right now. we'll see how it goes |
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| 02:30.40 | egsome | karlpinc, No problem, but if you can tell about `testing`, Can I simply add it to sources.list and do update ? |
| 02:31.09 | karlpinc | !tell egsome about testing |
| 02:31.52 | cardamon | babilen: it's the only device listed. |
| 02:32.00 | cardamon | when I run rfkill list |
| 02:32.39 | karlpinc | egsome: Technically, testing is not supported here. You get help in irc.debian.org #debian-next. But people do get some help here anyway, it seems. Note that once testing freezes and nothing new is allowed it becomes a lot more stable, until finally it's released as stable and _is_ stable. |
| 02:33.02 | karlpinc | !tell egsome about sns |
| 02:33.11 | cardamon | If i try ifconfig phy0 up it complains and says phy0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 02:34.22 | madsci44 | cardamon: to do a scan with the iwconfig or iwlist, i think they dont care about what ifconfig is doing |
| 02:34.54 | madsci44 | you could try phy0 with iwconfig |
| 02:35.03 | madsci44 | but it should have shown up when you did iwconfig byitself earlier |
| 02:36.25 | madsci44 | when you skipped it in the installer was it because you were having problems with it succeeding? |
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| 02:36.44 | n-iCe | hi |
| 02:36.46 | cardamon | madsci44: I skipped the installer because it had no networking. |
| 02:37.16 | cardamon | Because the modules to run the wifi are not in the base kernel. |
| 02:37.24 | madsci44 | ah i see |
| 02:37.42 | cardamon | madsci44: You know what, give me 20 minutes. |
| 02:37.52 | cardamon | I have a chance now to do an install the right way, then fix it later. |
| 02:38.07 | madsci44 | kewl |
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| 02:40.16 | n-iCe | can anyone help me in configurate my built in laptop mic? |
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| 02:55.44 | ppalmes | hello, is there a special option to configure for crontab to work? i have a bash file that gathers the logs from different servers and process them using regular expressions. if i run it in the shell, it works but if i point its location in the crontab, it somehow fails... |
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| 02:57.21 | madsci44 | you should just be able to drop a copy in /etc/cron.daily if im not mistaken |
| 02:57.30 | madsci44 | why/how does it fail? |
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| 02:58.21 | TJNII | Assuming cron is running. If you drop a simple test script that just dumps date into a file in /tmp and put it in cron.hourly does it get run? |
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| 02:58.29 | TJNII | Which incarnation of cron are you using? |
| 02:58.39 | ppalmes | let me check |
| 02:58.56 | ppalmes | by the way, which logfile should i check for errors? |
| 02:59.01 | TJNII | Some have naming requirements and won't run scripts that dont meet them. Unfortunately, I don't remember what those requirements are offhand.... |
| 02:59.20 | ppalmes | TJNII: im thinking that's the problem |
| 02:59.53 | ppalmes | i just use 00 11 * * * cd blah && ./process |
| 03:00.04 | ppalmes | i think it should work this way? |
| 03:00.27 | madsci44 | i doubt it |
| 03:00.42 | TJNII | always uses the /etc/cron.* directories. |
| 03:01.08 | ppalmes | i do it using crontab -e |
| 03:02.55 | madsci44 | if you wanted it that way youd need a user field as well no? |
| 03:02.56 | ppalmes | i want more control about the time to execute to test it. is there a command to force cron to run it for testing purposes instead of waiting for the scheduled time? |
| 03:03.44 | ppalmes | no need because crontab -e means specific to the user |
| 03:04.53 | cardamon | When the installer asks me if I want to load missing firmware (missing because it's non-free) from removable media, Will it scan for a .deb with the relevant firmware in the root directory? |
| 03:05.26 | madsci44 | i think so |
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| 03:05.45 | cardamon | It's doing thingss rihgt now, but it's not telling me what. |
| 03:05.56 | n-iCe | can anyone help me configurating my built-in laptop mic? |
| 03:06.11 | TJNII | cardamon: Should |
| 03:06.16 | TJNII | I just did 2 installs that way |
| 03:06.30 | cardamon | TJNII: What if there's a bunch of other junk? |
| 03:06.40 | madsci44 | on mine it found them |
| 03:06.48 | madsci44 | and there was other junk |
| 03:06.55 | TJNII | I'd assume it ignored it, but I didn't have anything else on the drive I used when I tried it. |
| 03:07.02 | madsci44 | i always have the regular and non-free ones handy |
| 03:07.06 | cardamon | One of my other junk is otherfirmware. |
| 03:07.17 | cardamon | But not the one its looking for I htink |
| 03:07.34 | TJNII | That should be fine |
| 03:07.45 | TJNII | I had 3 .debs for 2 servers on my drive, it didn't seem to care |
| 03:07.59 | cardamon | TJNII: It's just been on this screen for a while. |
| 03:08.04 | cardamon | ah |
| 03:08.06 | cardamon | there it goes |
| 03:08.09 | cardamon | it heard me |
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| 03:08.30 | cardamon | damn |
| 03:08.35 | cardamon | Networking autoconfig failed. |
| 03:09.03 | cardamon | can anyone help me with this one? the whole point was to get netwoking working out of the box. |
| 03:09.22 | madsci44 | i never managed to succeed with installer configuring wireless because of wpa2 but my drivers worked in my case |
| 03:09.26 | TJNII | Wired or WiFi? |
| 03:09.52 | cardamon | Wired now. |
| 03:10.26 | TJNII | You have a functioning DHCP server? |
| 03:10.46 | cardamon | herp derp |
| 03:10.56 | cardamon | ID10T error |
| 03:11.19 | cardamon | Guess where the ethernet cable coming out of my box went? |
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| 03:11.27 | cardamon | If you saide the router, you'd have been wrong. |
| 03:11.37 | TJNII | was going to guess Utah. |
| 03:11.58 | madsci44 | omg not utah |
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| 03:12.27 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 03:17.35 | cardamon | Well at least this part works |
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| 03:20.43 | cardamon | Any recommendations for mount options on a root partition on my hdd? |
| 03:21.16 | Wulf | rw |
| 03:21.23 | madsci44 | heh |
| 03:21.31 | TJNII | auto |
| 03:21.35 | madsci44 | i think defaults for that are pretty safe |
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| 03:21.53 | cardamon | noatime saves little space and write time, doesn't it? |
| 03:22.04 | madsci44 | actually i use the other one |
| 03:22.12 | madsci44 | memory sucks |
| 03:22.41 | cardamon | madsci44: relatime? |
| 03:22.44 | Xdept | Hey, Just wanting to know some things about pbuilder, Just about how to begin the source tree. Can anyone help |
| 03:23.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg tell Xdept about ask |
| 03:23.10 | madsci44 | yeah |
| 03:23.16 | madsci44 | that way it updats atime on writes |
| 03:23.20 | madsci44 | but not reads |
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| 03:24.08 | Xdept | My Question is how do I start a source tree? |
| 03:24.29 | madsci44 | install kernel source? |
| 03:24.36 | cardamon | madsci44: That's damn sensible unless you're paranoid about data access. I'll add that later. |
| 03:24.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xdept: not sure what you mean |
| 03:25.19 | Xdept | I am using pbuilder but before I can start using it to package I need to make debian/control etc |
| 03:25.30 | Xdept | I want to know where to get information about this |
| 03:25.59 | Xdept | I am wanting to make .deb files from perl source code that I have |
| 03:26.07 | n-iCe | any tuto in how to install a new kernel? |
| 03:26.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | what you want to do has nothing ot do with pbuilder - yet |
| 03:26.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xdept: try #debian-mentors and #debian-perl on irc.debian.org |
| 03:26.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xdept: they can probably point you at the right tools (there are specific helpers for perl applications) |
| 03:28.08 | Xdept | I can't even connect to either of those channels |
| 03:28.36 | MrFrood | Xdept: they are on the oftc server |
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| 03:29.31 | MrFrood | which is where irc.debian.org points too |
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| 03:35.09 | n-iCe | where is the boot installed in hda0 ? |
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| 03:37.00 | Xdept | You mean Master Boot Record? Or the /boot folder? |
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| 03:37.52 | Xdept | n-iCe: You mean MBR or /boot? |
| 03:38.09 | n-iCe | well |
| 03:38.13 | n-iCe | I am installing a new kernel |
| 03:38.28 | n-iCe | says /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:38.34 | n-iCe | but I don't see nothing there |
| 03:39.09 | n-iCe | Xdept: where is it? |
| 03:41.16 | madsci44 | menu.lst is a config file for grub - it lists what kernels are available and how to boot them, the actual kernel is in /boot as one of the vmlinuz files with its config file and initrd file... |
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| 03:43.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am usin squeeze. and I installed kerberoes a while back I remeber it asking what my server name was, but I now can't find a place to add a new server I just made. I am attempted to add redundancy to my AD LDAP authentication. |
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| 03:43.47 | Xdept | n-iCe: Try /etc/default/grub or something in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 03:43.55 | kingsley | If you were using an application that has been ported to Windows, OS X and Linux, and if its documentation said a keyboard shortcut is "Meta+I", what key(s) would you try pressing? |
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| 03:44.42 | Xdept | kingsley: Windows Key? |
| 03:44.56 | albech | i am looking for a good password manager that can be accessed through certificate authentication and preferably with group support so certain engineers can access certain keys... any ideas? |
| 03:45.17 | atperez | n-iCe: It seems you're using grub2. If so, do as Xdept says |
| 03:45.28 | MrFrood | kingsley: normally window or alt key |
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| 03:47.12 | n-iCe | atperez: but I don't see what the tuto says therr |
| 03:47.17 | kingsley | Xdept & MrFrood: Do you happen to have a sense of whether the keys should be pressed simultaneously, or one after the other? |
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| 03:48.53 | thisthat | how do i install pdo_mysql, trying to install a web interface for bacula |
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| 03:49.35 | atperez | What do you need to do, n-iCe? |
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| 03:49.50 | Xdept | kingsley: I would presume meta key for windows it would be windows key and command key for apple Which leads me to think that it is probably just the windows key for linux too |
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| 03:52.41 | RAWRjar | Noob question: I created a user with (I thought) a simple "sudo useradd -m -r -d /home/vmail vmail" command, but the command "id -u vmail" returns 999, which isn't what I suspected. Is 999 a special value? do I have anything to worry about? |
| 03:53.09 | Amarande | oh, speaking of meta and such |
| 03:53.25 | Amarande | on windows, you can enter unicode characters by holding alt and typing the unicode number, in decimal, on the numpad |
| 03:53.31 | Amarande | what's the similar procedure in debian? |
| 03:53.53 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 03:53.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:54.53 | Rusty1 | !sunday |
| 03:54.54 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 03:55.09 | thisthat | how do i make pdo_mysql.so work in php |
| 03:55.31 | boudiccas | thisthat; ask in #php |
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| 03:57.47 | MrFrood | Amarande: shift+ctrl+u+the unicodde number e.g. shift+ctrl+u+00A2 |
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| 03:59.58 | Amarande | And on Linux, it's with hex? |
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| 04:07.04 | MrFrood | Amarande: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Codepage_layout |
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| 04:12.57 | cardamon{m} | Alright now I'm on the target box, hooked up desperately close to the router. |
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| 04:14.24 | gnarface | greetings people. ok, so for example lets say that for no other reason than novelty that i want to control my home stereo equipment from my coffee table with a pretty old laptop that has an IR port on the back. how would i go about doing that? what program(s) would i use? |
| 04:15.20 | gnarface | i have seen this done with a hp calculator, so its got to be possible with a toshiba laptop |
| 04:15.24 | boudiccas | gnarface; have a look at myth, thats the sort of thing that its designed for |
| 04:15.49 | boudiccas | might be mythtv, not sure |
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| 04:22.07 | cardamon{m} | Okay, I need that link that comes up when you ask dpkg something about 03:06.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:3062] |
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| 04:25.55 | MrFrood | ,pciid 1814:3062 |
| 04:25.57 | judd | [1814:3062] is 'Unknown device' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3062 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 04:26.42 | MrFrood | cardamon{m}: that link ^^^ ? |
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| 04:59.31 | cardamon | Okay, still working on wireless, but at least I have a wired connection now. |
| 05:00.12 | gnarface | ,files agere_sta_fw.bin |
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| 05:00.19 | gnarface | ,file agere_sta_fw.bin |
| 05:00.21 | gnarface | ? |
| 05:00.22 | gnarface | hmm |
| 05:00.24 | judd | Search for agere_sta_fw.bin in squeeze/i386: firmware-linux-nonfree: lib/firmware/agere_sta_fw.bin |
| 05:00.36 | gnarface | thanks judd |
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| 05:09.34 | madsci44 | is there a guide available anywhere on how to use judd? |
| 05:10.00 | madsci44 | it looks superhandy |
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| 05:12.06 | Lewoco__ | How can I set all packages - except orphans - as being auto-installed? |
| 05:12.46 | boudiccas | Lewoco__; logwatch |
| 05:13.12 | boudiccas | Lewoco__; sorry, i misread 'set' for see |
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| 05:14.49 | madsci44 | wouldnt that carry a risk of everything being deinstalled? |
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| 05:16.14 | Lewoco__ | madsci44, Well I did say 'except orphans'. |
| 05:16.32 | Lewoco__ | madsci44, So it shouldn't change the installed state of any packages at all. |
| 05:17.12 | Lewoco__ | madsci44, It just means that if I do decide to remove a package in the future it will correctly remove unneeded dependencies. |
| 05:17.19 | madsci44 | im not expert on this but - as i understand it, if you did this then anything that wasnt autoinstalled as a dependancy, or suggestion of the "orphans" would be unneeded if you could do that |
| 05:17.45 | madsci44 | well i mean needed but considered no longer needed by the manager |
| 05:18.15 | madsci44 | right |
| 05:18.23 | madsci44 | i wouldnt. |
| 05:18.36 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 05:18.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 05:19.29 | cardamon | Is changing the sources.list all that's necessary to change before grabbing testing or unstable packages? |
| 05:19.47 | boudiccas | !volinteer |
| 05:19.55 | boudiccas | !volunteer |
| 05:19.56 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 05:20.33 | cardamon | !rt2800pci |
| 05:20.34 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n PCI chipsets (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2880, RT2890, RT3060, RT3062, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092, RT3390, RT3562, RT3592, RT5390) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.33. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 05:22.01 | ham5 | !e1000e |
| 05:22.01 | dpkg | e1000e is a driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters, included in the mainline Linux kernel. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts are supported as of Linux 2.6.31. See also <82579>. |
| 05:22.37 | cardamon | Anyone want to answer my question? |
| 05:23.08 | ham5 | !rtl8111 |
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| 05:23.20 | icnet | cardamon, Yes, edit sources.list and you're good to go |
| 05:23.58 | cardamon | Thanks. |
| 05:24.19 | madsci44 | ..and update of course |
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| 05:50.48 | yeratrin | I have a subset of computers in a moderately-sized network that I'd like to use network interface alises to allow both connection to the outside world via the standard gateway and a parallel set of internal IPs so that NFS is easier |
| 05:51.03 | philipballew | hey! what would be a good reason why flash player does not work in full screen? |
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| 05:51.51 | rww | philipballew: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 05:51.53 | yeratrin | but because there's no routing as such (beyond a bridging switch) within the subnet I'm unsure what gateway to use. Presumably the switch will know, via ARP messages |
| 05:52.04 | yeratrin | but it's layer 2 not layer 3... |
| 05:52.19 | philipballew | rww, squeeze. and its my desktop with 2.5 gigs ram and pentium 4 |
| 05:53.20 | philipballew | it should be the default flash, I did the flash --non free thing in the shell |
| 05:53.24 | Lewoco__ | yeratrin, So what is your question? |
| 05:54.36 | yeratrin | Lewoco__: my question is how to set up /etc/network/interfaces (or whatever else) so simultaneously the regular eth0 externally visible IPs work (easy, so far) and that the parallel internal IPs actually route to each other (which I can't figure out) |
| 05:55.49 | yeratrin | all of this lives on a /30 but I don't want this setup to depend on the /30's gateway and everything smaller here has switches |
| 05:56.30 | yeratrin | so e.g. I tell one to be 10.100.100.100 and another to be 10.100.100.101. How do I get them to be able to ping each other? |
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| 06:04.16 | Lewoco__ | yeratrin, I've never used aliases. |
| 06:04.18 | gnarface | ,file xlock |
| 06:04.21 | judd | Search for xlock in squeeze/i386: fvwm: usr/bin/fvwm-menu-xlock; hylafax-server: usr/sbin/faxlock; libpam-ldap: usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/examples/pam.d/xlock |
| 06:04.30 | Lewoco__ | yeratrin, According to this guy, all the aliases have to be on the same subnet: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-creating-or-adding-new-network-alias-to-a-network-card-nic/ |
| 06:05.29 | yeratrin | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-creating-or-adding-new-network-alias-to-a-network-card-nic/#comment-56346 seems to disagree though |
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| 06:07.17 | yeratrin | And "Patrick" in comment 11 presents a centos config which, though I'm not familiar with the specific format, looks almost like what I want /except/ that it has a real gateway and so far as I know I have nothing to assign to that field |
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| 06:10.58 | Some_Person | ok, quick: what's something I can use in place of a highlighter that I might be able to quickly find late at night around the house? |
| 06:11.23 | v_omega_ | felt tip pen ? |
| 06:11.42 | sauvin | Dunno about "in place of"; I tend to wear clothes that have pockets. |
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| 06:12.54 | Bushmills | Some_Person: ardesia |
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| 06:13.18 | yeratrin | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7268 suggests though that this sort of thing is called a VLAN and not all switches support it |
| 06:14.22 | Some_Person | v_omega_: I don't think I have one of those, and even if I did, it needs to be yellow |
| 06:15.10 | v_omega_ | piss in a cup and use that as a highlighter ? |
| 06:15.22 | v_omega_ | or mountain dew or something like that thats yellow |
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| 06:23.07 | yeratrin | ah, if I experiment by dropping back to the just one (non-alias) interface and pull out (it's statically defined) its gateway I can still ping among the network (through it can't connect to its NFS mount, weird) |
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| 06:23.54 | yeratrin | so is there a way to configure a subnet not to copy the 'parent' gateway but have 'no' gateway (i.e. behave as it's behaving now)? |
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| 06:24.09 | yeratrin | route(1) makes it look like like "*" |
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| 06:35.51 | Lewoco__ | yeratrin, Well I just set up two virtual machines with statically defined gateways and aliases and they can talk to each other just fine. |
| 06:36.20 | yeratrin | yeah that's what I effectively just did now, but it didn't work if they were aliases, weirdly |
| 06:37.02 | yeratrin | but once I only told them about 10.100.100.10[01] they can ping each other fine, sans explicitly defined gateway (which is just replicating the very simplest possible ethernet configuration, so no surprise) |
| 06:37.04 | Lewoco__ | yeratrin, I said it worked *with* aliases. |
| 06:37.06 | yeratrin | oh |
| 06:37.08 | yeratrin | how? |
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| 06:39.32 | Lewoco__ | yeratrin, http://pastebin.com/SXsWQm5d |
| 06:40.19 | yeratrin | well technically you set them up as different subnets it looks like, even if they're both on the same /16 |
| 06:40.28 | yeratrin | so yeah, will see if I can replicate |
| 06:40.53 | yeratrin | (but it was what I had been doing I thought...) |
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| 06:43.47 | yeratrin | oh my .100 can't even ping my .101 (and this should have been the guaranteed working config) |
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| 06:44.22 | fasta | How can I setup a print queue which is always there and only prints something when a printer comes online? |
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| 06:44.46 | Guthur | I have install some backports and couple of src'd packages from wheezy, is there a way for me to downgrade back to pure stable? |
| 06:45.18 | fasta | Currently, when I print something I have to wait for the computer to which the printer is connected to be booted. |
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| 06:45.58 | fasta | What I want is 'submit job', program detects printer is now online, and submits job to printer. |
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| 06:46.33 | nkuttler | Guthur: downgrade is not supported. however, if you can remove all those packages and reinstall them from stable you should be good |
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| 06:47.38 | Guthur | nkuttler: ok |
| 06:48.47 | Guthur | on the off chance someone is having the same issue... |
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| 06:49.50 | Guthur | I'm having terrible trouble resolving a dependency issue with fglrx-*, it's looking for xorg-video-abi-6.0, which should be part of xserver-xorg-core |
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| 06:50.14 | Guthur | I tried last night with help from someone here, but we couldn't really get to the bottom of the issue |
| 06:50.28 | nkuttler | Guthur: well that's what happens when you mix releases |
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| 06:51.08 | Guthur | nkuttler: granted |
| 06:51.23 | yeratrin | ah, okay, one issue was a firewall one, removed my iptables restore and at least the simple-config-mutual-ping works great now |
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| 06:52.02 | Guthur | I'm not totally convinced a pure stable will actually work either |
| 06:52.15 | Guthur | but it will have to wait until later |
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| 06:52.34 | Guthur | I don't mind doing a reinstall because I only installed yesterday anyway |
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| 06:52.48 | Guthur | but it will have to wait |
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| 06:55.11 | Guthur | I thought there was suppose to be some element of stability to backports though |
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| 06:57.46 | Guthur | anyway...time to go to work |
| 06:58.45 | yeratrin | Lewoco__: ah, nice, so it was just the firewall config I had, works fine with aliases |
| 06:58.47 | yeratrin | now, the question is |
| 06:59.08 | yeratrin | will it keep working once I tell the main IP for the interface about the inet gateway |
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| 07:01.06 | yeratrin | (yes) |
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| 07:13.35 | cardamon | Okay. |
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| 07:15.53 | cardamon | I need to address the issue of not being able to scan for any wireless networks. |
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| 07:27.18 | ronkrt | Hi, in debian or any linux, does a browser save its information to your users /home/name directory? |
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| 07:27.37 | ronkrt | and if i encrypt the users home directory does it protect me that much more from my cache or anything being found? |
| 07:27.42 | AimHere | Depends on the browser, but I'd expect the majority of cases to be 'yes' |
| 07:27.59 | AimHere | It's certainly the case in firefox |
| 07:28.04 | ronkrt | im getting ready for round to of system install :\ |
| 07:28.27 | ronkrt | what are possibly hardwares that would require a "non-free" driver? |
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| 07:28.36 | AimHere | You should stop browsing internet sites yoyu're ashamed of |
| 07:28.45 | yeratrin | (there's a case to be made for clearing cache on exit anyway, if this is something that concerns you - e.g. WRT some of the history-based attacks or etags or etc) |
| 07:29.02 | nevyn | ronkrt: nvidia and ati graphics cards |
| 07:29.06 | nevyn | some wifi chipsets |
| 07:29.11 | ronkrt | well i mean, i dont want the chance that i get my accounts hacked (again) |
| 07:29.21 | ronkrt | ok nevyn i have a nvidia |
| 07:29.23 | nevyn | anything with firmware requires non-free |
| 07:29.39 | ronkrt | once i get into debian can you assist me installing or obtaining the Drivers i can use, i may not have a cd with linux drivers. |
| 07:29.48 | nevyn | in debian all loadable firmware requires non-free |
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| 07:30.06 | nevyn | ronkrt: nvidia cards will work without non-free drivers. |
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| 07:30.56 | yeratrin | I ended up putting nvidia's proprietary drivers on anyway because nouveau seemed to have some issues with the specific nvidia card I had, i.e. not detecting it and xorg was defaulting to vesa |
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| 07:31.01 | nevyn | ronkrt: however the proprietary drivers support mor features of the card. |
| 07:31.33 | nevyn | tho nouveau supports older cards that are not supported by the proprietary driver |
| 07:31.36 | ronkrt | well i do plan to have a few linux games on it (a few good games that have linux clients) so i want my power :) |
| 07:31.40 | nevyn | so it's really a tradeoff |
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| 07:33.45 | DusteD | ronkrt: installing the nvidia driver poses no problem, even on 3.0 kernels its easy and just works |
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| 07:36.10 | cardamon | Can anyone give me a hand? Am trying to get my wireless to scan. I had to jump through some hoops as it is to get the right module running because it's http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci this one, but now I've done that and got the wlan0 interface up, but when I try iwlist scan wlan0 comes up with 'No scan results' even though it should be seeing quite a few. |
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| 07:38.47 | streuner_ | cardamon: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 07:40.33 | cardamon | streuner_: That you kindly for at least attempting something, but you haven't shown me anything I have not already seen and put into effect. |
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| 07:41.34 | cardamon | The interface is up. The proper module/firmware is in. NetworkManager is installed. No networks show up in it, and none show up in iwlist scan. |
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| 07:42.29 | streuner_ | make sure, only *ONE* daemon is running on your system for WLAN |
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| 07:42.46 | streuner_ | after that, try to restart NM again |
| 07:43.07 | streuner_ | but, read the URL we gave you before about NM |
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| 07:43.27 | streuner_ | *BEFORE* |
| 07:43.29 | cardamon | streuner_: which one? |
| 07:43.54 | cardamon | which one daemon? |
| 07:43.59 | streuner_ | <streuner_> cardamon: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 07:44.16 | cardamon | >_> |
| 07:45.18 | streuner_ | oh, these other daemons, wicd for example |
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| 07:45.41 | cardamon | streuner_: It is not. |
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| 07:46.02 | streuner_ | if you using interfaces, make sure wicd or/and NM doesnt run |
| 07:46.03 | cardamon | The only two that might conflict would be wpa_supplicant and nm-applet, but AFAIK, the latter needs the former. |
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| 07:46.12 | rww | indeed it does |
| 07:46.15 | cardamon | I did not have wicd installed. |
| 07:46.21 | streuner_ | ok |
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| 07:46.34 | Lewoco__ | How can I automatically login a specific user on the first console on powerup? |
| 07:46.53 | streuner_ | cardamon: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager yet? |
| 07:47.06 | cardamon | Yes, I did. |
| 07:47.17 | streuner_ | logout and login? |
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| 07:48.06 | cardamon | Yes, I did. But this does not change the fact that the INTERFACE wlan0 does not return information when asked to scan. |
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| 07:48.55 | cardamon | nm-applet is just as symptomatic as the rest of it, and is, as far as I can tell, working flawlessly. But a flawlessly maintained engine won't run if you've got no fuel line. |
| 07:50.08 | streuner_ | cardamon: try to configure NM and restart the daemon again |
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| 07:50.41 | streuner_ | /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
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| 07:51.23 | ronkrt_ | is there a gui package installer? |
| 07:51.35 | cardamon | ronkrt_: synaptic |
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| 07:52.04 | ronkrt_ | how do i install it if i dont have it? |
| 07:52.04 | cardamon | ronkrt_: but I recommend familiarizing yourself with apt and aptitude |
| 07:52.22 | streuner_ | ronkrt_: aptitude install <package> |
| 07:52.33 | cardamon | or apt-get install <package> |
| 07:52.36 | boudiccas | ronkrt; sudo apt-get install synaptic |
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| 07:53.11 | ronkrt_ | wow |
| 07:53.16 | ronkrt_ | my user isnt in the sudoers lol |
| 07:53.56 | ronkrt_ | i need to figure out how to get it so my monitor can go 1680x1050 ;( |
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| 07:54.01 | streuner_ | install/modify packages is a job for root |
| 07:54.12 | streuner_ | xrandr |
| 07:54.16 | ronkrt_ | i had to su - |
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| 07:56.18 | ronkrt_ | konsole is kde right? |
| 07:56.25 | boudiccas | yes |
| 07:56.26 | cardamon | correct |
| 07:56.36 | ronkrt_ | ok, ;) awesome thank you guys kindly. |
| 07:56.41 | streuner_ | cardamon: that's pretty unfair from you, IRC in different channels with a different nick. |
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| 07:56.54 | cardamon | SterniX: different servers |
| 07:56.59 | cardamon | er |
| 07:57.04 | cardamon | streuner_: different servers |
| 07:57.05 | streuner_ | yes |
| 07:57.09 | cardamon | mute is taken on freenode |
| 07:57.16 | ronkrt_ | so glad my znc is still connected! |
| 07:57.29 | ronkrt_ | I'm getting ready to start offering FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE vhost znc's ;) |
| 07:57.43 | streuner_ | well, please ask in *ONE* channel about your problem |
| 07:58.14 | dreamer | hmmm, it seems there is a 'permanent' lock on dpkg. Now this is a squeeze image from the uni, so they may have some custom things added, but I have root access and installed software with apt before. Any ideas how I can unlock dpkg and install some software? |
| 07:58.15 | cardamon | streuner_: And wait how long before asking in another? |
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| 07:58.36 | cardamon | streuner_: I asked, and time passed without a response. |
| 07:58.48 | cardamon | so I moved on. Now I happen to have two going at once. |
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| 07:59.06 | streuner_ | cardamon: most regulars are in FN *and* in OFTC, so it doesnt make much sense |
| 08:00.40 | streuner_ | cardamon: if you dont get an answer in IRC try a ML (/msg dpkg ask) |
| 08:02.40 | streuner_ | cardamon: do you get any result via iwlist scan now? |
| 08:02.41 | dreamer | aarg, seems apt is stuck with some dependency problem on nslcd |
| 08:02.56 | cardamon | streuner_: No, unfortunately. |
| 08:03.09 | dreamer | how the hell does this happen in stable? |
| 08:03.22 | streuner_ | cardamon: try interfaces |
| 08:03.32 | boudiccas | dreamer; something put in by the uni? |
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| 08:03.37 | cardamon | streuner_: I altered NetworkManager.conf to modemanaged=true and restarted, and still nothing. |
| 08:04.43 | dreamer | boudiccas: maybe. I don't know. I get a: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 08:04.46 | dreamer | looking in to that now |
| 08:05.02 | streuner_ | cardamon: well, personally i prefer interfaces, and its easy to configure, IMO |
| 08:05.18 | cardamon | streuner_: like what? I read the documentation on it...mine's got nothing wlan0 in it, but making an iface entry wouldn't affect my ability to scan. |
| 08:05.19 | streuner_ | without headaces |
| 08:07.34 | dreamer | cardamon: ok, I killed frontend and I can use apt again |
| 08:08.49 | ronkrt | does debian have a max resolution? |
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| 08:10.03 | dreamer | ronkrt: I think you mean your graphics card |
| 08:10.12 | dreamer | you should ask your vendor |
| 08:10.29 | dreamer | it also depends on which driver you (can) use |
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| 08:14.36 | cardamon | streuner_: do you mean to configure a iface entry to the target AP with interfaces? |
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| 08:15.04 | streuner_ | yes |
| 08:15.59 | ronkrt | i just downloaded a .run file |
| 08:16.01 | ronkrt | how do i use it? |
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| 08:16.22 | streuner_ | hm, according to http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line iwlist scan should be possible without configure before... |
| 08:16.40 | streuner_ | cardamon: so you dont get any result via "iwlist scan"? |
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| 08:16.41 | cardamon | streuner_: Precisely my confusion. |
| 08:16.46 | streuner_ | ok |
| 08:17.28 | cardamon | I get Interface doesn't suppot scanning from lo and eth0, which is correct, and No scan results from wlan0 |
| 08:17.37 | streuner_ | cardamon: please show us the output of "iwconfig" then in a pastebin |
| 08:17.49 | CuteAlien | Hi! I just rebooted and it seems last dist-upgrade messed up my screen configuration. Now I only have 640x480 and monitor detection does nothing. Driver is nvidia binary modul (and I re-installed it just now hoping that would fix it). Anyone got an idea how I get back to normal screen resolution? |
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| 08:18.25 | dreamer | CuteAlien: what options does nvidia-settings give you?\ |
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| 08:18.35 | Aaronitus08 | Evil shenanigans? |
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| 08:19.04 | streuner_ | cardamon: is that a laptop? |
| 08:19.08 | cardamon | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/137276/ |
| 08:19.12 | CuteAlien | dreamer, 320x200 and 640x480 |
| 08:19.34 | CuteAlien | and detect displays also just gets black for a moment but finds nothing |
| 08:19.38 | cardamon | streuner_: No, it's a new box I built with a wireless PCI card in it. |
| 08:19.41 | dreamer | CuteAlien: ok, that's strange. are you sure you installed the correct driver? which card do you have and which driver did you install? |
| 08:20.09 | cardamon | And the whole point of the wireless PCI card is so it doesn't have to be tethered to the router like this. |
| 08:20.52 | CuteAlien | NVIDEA-Linux-x86-260.19.21 and geforce 6200 |
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| 08:20.59 | grimeton | hi |
| 08:21.07 | streuner_ | cardamon: well, just configure interfaces and run "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0" then |
| 08:21.18 | grimeton | i've got some broken dependencies in stable - is that problem known ? |
| 08:21.39 | boudiccas | grimeton; not enough information |
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| 08:22.30 | grimeton | boudiccas: install xen-utils-4.1 brings up broken dependencies to e2fslibs, libgnutls26 and python (2.6.6-7~)) |
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| 08:23.34 | boudiccas | grimeton; what does the bugzilla say? |
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| 08:23.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | grimeton: thats not a stable package |
| 08:23.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | 4.0 is in stable |
| 08:24.09 | grimeton | you're right |
| 08:24.16 | grimeton | someone added testing to the apt repos |
| 08:24.19 | grimeton | sorry |
| 08:24.28 | CuteAlien | dreamer, ok, thanks - there is a newer one. |
| 08:24.32 | CuteAlien | will try that |
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| 08:25.23 | dreamer | I have the same gpu in a pc and it works fine, 1080p + a 2nd screen |
| 08:25.38 | dreamer | don't know which driver. I'm guessing the latest |
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| 08:40.01 | boudiccas | cardamon; well, have you got it working? streuner_ spent a lot of time helping you and some feedback would be appreciated |
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| 08:40.55 | cardamon | boudiccas: sadly, no |
| 08:41.02 | streuner_ | he just fighting in OFTC with some other questions, so dont ask him here :-) |
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| 08:42.48 | cardamon | boudiccas: It's not for lack of trying |
| 08:43.06 | cardamon | streuner_: I do appreciate the help, all the same, but not the attitude. |
| 08:43.25 | cardamon | THank you for your time. |
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| 08:47.38 | cardamon | I'm still at a loss, no matter what server I'm in. |
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| 08:47.56 | nsadmin | cardamon, how'd you fare? just got back over the bridge |
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| 08:48.21 | cardamon | nsadmin: Fresh install, freshly upgraded to wheezy. |
| 08:48.28 | cardamon | same results. |
| 08:48.37 | streuner_ | cardamon: did you try "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0"? |
| 08:48.41 | cardamon | rt2800pci is in |
| 08:48.49 | nsadmin | and the card still isn't returning scan results |
| 08:49.13 | nsadmin | tha's ;ast I knew before I left |
| 08:49.24 | cardamon | and wlan0 won't return a scan (which is different from not scanning, although I'm fairly sure it's not scanning because then it might see 20 networks) |
| 08:49.43 | cardamon | streuner_: I'm having trouble getting interfaces configured. Reading documentation. |
| 08:50.17 | nsadmin | understood... what if you ifconfig wlan0 up before you iwlist scan' |
| 08:50.21 | nsadmin | ? |
| 08:50.22 | cardamon | streuner_: still not exactly what I want even if it does work. It's a wireless card. it should see networks. |
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| 08:50.36 | cardamon | nsadmin: It's up already, but I'll humor you. |
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| 08:51.12 | cardamon | nsadmin: THe same. |
| 08:51.20 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 08:51.31 | boudiccas | cardamon; could the wireless card be faulty? |
| 08:52.03 | cardamon | boudiccas: Always a possibility, but not sure how I'd accertain that. |
| 08:52.10 | nsadmin | I was getting results like that before seeing the firmware load successfully |
| 08:52.37 | cardamon | This issue comes up a lot for linux users of this chipset it seems. |
| 08:52.43 | cardamon | As well as the card itself. |
| 08:52.45 | nsadmin | is the card a separate card? |
| 08:52.52 | streuner_ | no laptop |
| 08:52.55 | cardamon | A pci card.. |
| 08:53.26 | streuner_ | got the same result via iwlist scan, but disabled the wireless switch, so its ok... |
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| 08:54.12 | streuner_ | cardamon: http://pastebin.com/M86KFHTx < an example using static route and WPA |
| 08:55.01 | streuner_ | cardamon: as we told you before, make sure other daemons are disabled then (/etc/init.d/network-manager stop) |
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| 08:55.29 | guardian | hmm did eclipse-cdt disappear from testing? i see a package in squeeze-backports but not in testing according to packages.debian.org |
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| 08:56.54 | streuner_ | judd, versions eclipse-cdt |
| 08:56.56 | judd | Package: eclipse-cdt on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 6.0.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 6.0.2-1 |
| 08:58.03 | streuner_ | dpkg why is eclipse-cdt not in testing |
| 08:58.03 | dpkg | eclipse-cdt is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=eclipse-cdt |
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| 08:58.31 | streuner_ | guardian: tried <ssb> yet? |
| 08:59.26 | cardamon | streuner_: what's the conflicts eth0 line mean? |
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| 08:59.45 | cardamon | It'll bring down eth0 or toss an error? |
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| 09:00.15 | streuner_ | oh, cardamon, ifdown eth0 |
| 09:00.24 | streuner_ | sorry, i forget |
| 09:00.44 | cardamon | okay, see you on the other side then. |
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| 09:01.19 | nsadmin | 'hmm, missed all that. the wireless doesnm't work while the wireless is up? |
| 09:01.21 | cardamon | ...I can't ifdown eth0 |
| 09:01.27 | cardamon | it's not configured. |
| 09:01.42 | streuner_ | cardamon: forget conflicts eth0 |
| 09:01.44 | cardamon | nsadmin: It didn't work earlier...but we'll try now. |
| 09:01.57 | streuner_ | cardamon: its a specific entry just for my machine... |
| 09:02.30 | cardamon | so what should I do? I've stopped networkmanager. |
| 09:02.34 | guardian | streuner_: thx for the bot query :) and what is ssb? |
| 09:02.50 | streuner_ | guardian: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:02.59 | streuner_ | cardamon: ifdown eth0 |
| 09:03.13 | nsadmin | well first try the iwlist scan (didn't he already build the driver?) |
| 09:03.15 | cardamon | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 09:03.25 | streuner_ | cardamon: ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 |
| 09:03.50 | themill | does "ip link set wlan0 up" allow scanning to work? |
| 09:04.09 | cardamon | I did not build the driver. I upgraded to wheezy for the 3.0.0 kernel and got the firmware-ralink from the same source. |
| 09:04.11 | guardian | streuner_: what does the ssb acronym stand for? squeeze software backports? |
| 09:04.25 | streuner_ | guardian: simple sid backport |
| 09:04.30 | guardian | ok |
| 09:04.36 | guardian | thx |
| 09:04.39 | streuner_ | np |
| 09:04.40 | cardamon | themill: No it does not. |
| 09:04.57 | themill | meh |
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| 09:05.20 | guardian | streuner_: well i'm using lmde so i'll have a look whether it's ok to enable squeeze backports |
| 09:05.32 | CuteAlien | hi, I'm still forced to 640x480 after dist-upgrade. That's what I did so far: http://pastebin.com/nwkQjvpy |
| 09:05.48 | CuteAlien | If anyone got more hints... |
| 09:05.56 | themill | guardian: mixing distros and mixing releases are never good ideas. Please ask them for support for your distribution |
| 09:06.02 | minna | Hello. When setting a FQDN and i have no DNS server on this box, do i need to make a DNS record to this FQDN from my hosting's domain panel? |
| 09:06.18 | guardian | themill: yep that's what i'm doing |
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| 09:07.28 | gnarface | ,files xlock |
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| 09:07.37 | gnarface | ,file xlock |
| 09:07.40 | judd | Search for xlock in squeeze/i386: fvwm: usr/bin/fvwm-menu-xlock; hylafax-server: usr/sbin/faxlock; libpam-ldap: usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/examples/pam.d/xlock |
| 09:07.47 | themill | ,info xlockmore sid |
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| 09:07.49 | judd | Package xlockmore (x11, extra) in sid/i386: Lock X11 display until password is entered.. Version: 1:5.31-1; Size: 191.0k; Installed: 300k |
| 09:08.09 | gnarface | so what's the deal.... 5+ years on xlock is *still* in sid? or .. what? |
| 09:08.14 | cardamon | http://pastebin.com/vy5x3NSW |
| 09:08.31 | gnarface | what am i supposed to use in squeeze? xscreensaver? |
| 09:08.56 | themill | gnarface: it hasn't been in the last couple of stable releases because it has serious and unfixed security problems (depending on your use case) |
| 09:09.16 | minna | No one? |
| 09:09.34 | streuner_ | cardamon: why DHCP, i gave you a static rule... |
| 09:10.09 | streuner_ | cardamon: please show us your interfaces |
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| 09:11.15 | streuner_ | well, the wireless works, its searching for an IP, but didnt get any, its a good sign |
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| 09:11.54 | cardamon | streuner_: Because my router puts everything in a dhcp |
| 09:12.25 | gnarface | themill: noted. thanks. |
| 09:12.55 | gnarface | themill: got any more details than that? i know that a couple of the opengl modes reliably IO lock nvidia binary drivers |
| 09:12.55 | minna | Hm, can no one help me with my question? |
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| 09:13.18 | cardamon | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/NMJzN4r6 |
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| 09:13.31 | boudiccas | minna; instead of bleating why not try asking your question again? |
| 09:13.43 | themill | gnarface: #473400 in particular, #472076 as well |
| 09:13.50 | cardamon | streuner_: It's been able to do that for ever, so nothing new. |
| 09:13.57 | minna | When setting a FQDN and i have no DNS server on this box, do i need to make a DNS record to this FQDN from my hosting's domain panel? |
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| 09:14.09 | cardamon | at least, the last time I set up and tried and interface |
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| 09:14.37 | minna | boudiccas: i asked again. |
| 09:14.40 | boudiccas | minna; if you dont get any replies in irc here, then ask a question of it to the mailing list |
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| 09:14.56 | CuteAlien | Can you recommend a forum where I could maybe find more help with my troubles about my troubles with nvidia no longer recognizing my monitor? |
| 09:15.09 | minna | boudiccas: ok, i thought it was such a silly questions it should be in the e-mail list. |
| 09:15.13 | streuner_ | cardamon: well, try the example (static) we gave you before |
| 09:15.23 | gnarface | minna: i checked my logs. it sounds like your hosting question is *NOT DEBIAN* |
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| 09:16.16 | gnarface | minna: but my best guess as to the answer to your question is in two parts 1) your host sucks 2) yes, put it in /etc/hosts (check the man page) |
| 09:16.21 | minna | gnarface: Ok, sorry about this. Is there a debian server channel? |
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| 09:16.36 | cardamon | streuner_: can't do static. Router is set to DHCP |
| 09:16.43 | gnarface | minna: this is the right channel for your question |
| 09:16.47 | minna | gnarface: why do my host suck? |
| 09:16.52 | streuner_ | cardamon: you dont own the router? |
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| 09:17.07 | gnarface | minna: what you described sounds like a bolt-on created by your host and its *NOT* part of debian and its broken |
| 09:17.08 | themill | minna: perhaps you can start again at the beginning with some more detail. I think everyone here is a bit confused. |
| 09:17.11 | cardamon | No, I do not. |
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| 09:17.46 | gnarface | minna: nonetheless, you can add a DNS record local to your machine just by adding it to /etc/hosts (look at the file, its format will be obvious) |
| 09:18.10 | streuner_ | cardamon: ok, read the docs about this driver then, usually ralink has its own docs and its own ways to configure..., IIRC |
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| 09:18.28 | gnarface | minna: that address the problem you are having, but you will find that good hosts provide good DNS |
| 09:18.44 | minna | themill: Im setting up a VPS server that uses debian, i have to change the FQDN to a valid one, since the hosting doesn't provide one. But im not running DNS server on this server, only pointing to it. Do i need to point a DNS A record to this server, or will this server handle FQDN anyway? |
| 09:18.52 | cardamon | streuner_: You could just say you give up. |
| 09:18.59 | cardamon | I wouldn't hold it against you. |
| 09:19.26 | themill | minna: what does "setting up" mean? Where do you "have to change the FQDN"? (and why?) |
| 09:20.03 | minna | themill: every server should have a valid unique FQDN right? |
| 09:20.14 | gnarface | hey so i installed squeeze on an old toshiba laptop (p2-266, 160MB ram, 4.3GB hdd) |
| 09:20.18 | minna | themill: It's for postfix mainly, since it's asking for a FQDN. |
| 09:20.40 | cardamon | DHCP is irrelevant to the matter of a wireless NIC not returning results on a scan. The "documentation" for this one has me building the rt2860sta driver from source, something I both have not figured out how to do and am told will not work with my current kernel, and that rt2800pci is the intended replacement. |
| 09:21.00 | gnarface | so the only hitch i had was i had to set edd=off on the kernel command line (i assume) what did i turn off? what is edd? where can i read about it? hlp? |
| 09:21.23 | themill | minna: so the postfix post-install scripts are the ones asking? And you want a FQDN because you're going to be receiving and sending mail via smtp with other hosts on the internet? |
| 09:21.23 | ronkrt | how can i find out if i am using GTK3.0+ ? |
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| 09:22.43 | gnarface | ronkrt: it would depend on the program. you can check to see if you have gtk3+ installed by something like: dpkg -l |grep gtk |
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| 09:23.46 | ronkrt | wow this is weird |
| 09:23.51 | ronkrt | im connected to irc talking to you all |
| 09:23.51 | ronkrt | oh |
| 09:23.55 | ronkrt | lol 1 min |
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| 09:24.03 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 09:24.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 09:24.37 | ronkrt | its not showing a network connection |
| 09:24.41 | ronkrt | but im connected hmmm weird |
| 09:24.53 | treebeen | hi, i'm running wheezy and my /tmp has just run full: tmpfs 202M 202M 0 100% /tmp |
| 09:25.21 | treebeen | what's the best solution? maybe I need to make it larger? |
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| 09:25.43 | boudiccas | treebeen; maybe you need to find out what is filling it up? |
| 09:27.06 | gnarface | treebeen: are you hosting a webserver on your machine or something? is this a system you trying to install as a linux-vserver guest? |
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| 09:27.26 | gnarface | treebeen: my /tmp directory contains 1.8MB of data |
| 09:28.08 | treebeen | gnarface: no, it's my home server |
| 09:28.18 | gnarface | treebeen: i also gave my /tmp directory 3.6GB of space... do you have a very small harddrive? |
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| 09:28.50 | ronkrt | in gnome, will software center actually 'remove' files? |
| 09:29.25 | treebeen | gnarface: well, that's strange, when I check with 'du' /tmp is using almost no space |
| 09:29.58 | minna | themill: Yes :-) |
| 09:29.59 | gnarface | treebeen: run this: du -sh /tmp |
| 09:30.11 | gnarface | treebeen: run that as root |
| 09:30.30 | treebeen | gnarface: 12k |
| 09:30.47 | gnarface | treebeen: another useful command may be: df -h |
| 09:30.58 | gnarface | treebeen: where did you get this line? 202M 202M 0 100% /tmp |
| 09:31.40 | treebeen | gnarface: from df -h |
| 09:31.58 | Iridos | ronkrt, I would say to install and remove packages (and their files) would be the whole point of it |
| 09:32.10 | ronkrt | Software Center wont remove, |
| 09:32.17 | gnarface | treebeen: you're right, that is weird. i've got nothing for you. |
| 09:32.38 | treebeen | gnarface: ok, thanks anyway |
| 09:32.46 | gnarface | treebeen: sorry |
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| 09:34.21 | Iridos | treebeen, did you go through /tmp and remove files already very recently? |
| 09:34.49 | treebeen | Iridos: no |
| 09:34.58 | minna | themill: So, do i need to point any domain or create any dns records for the FQDN? |
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| 09:35.58 | treebeen | hmm, I need to close the terminal here so I can unmount /tmp, so long! |
| 09:37.33 | gnarface | minna: if you want to try to send legit email to other servers, yes |
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| 09:38.42 | minna | gnarface: Then i create an A record for the FQDN subdomain name right? subdomain.example.com |
| 09:38.55 | gnarface | minna: yes |
| 09:39.07 | gnarface | minna: don't forget reverse |
| 09:39.12 | minna | Reverse? |
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| 09:40.31 | Black_Prince | Reverse DNS ... IP -> Hostname, DNS PTR Record. |
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| 09:40.51 | minna | Hm, ok, ill google it. Thanks again! |
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| 09:41.26 | CuteAlien | Just back to say I got it working. dist-upgrade seemed to have deleted my Monitor section in xorg.conf for some reason and I had to manually fix it. Everything fine again :-) |
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| 09:42.12 | gnarface | minna: compare the output of these two commands: nslookup subdomain.example.com and nslookup [ip address] (where subdomain.example.com is your name and [ip address] is the ip address it points to) |
| 09:42.20 | treebeen | ok, so it was a youtube video I guess, flash deletes the file so lsof showed it as (deleted) |
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| 09:43.01 | treebeen | well, 202mb is not too little for /tmp |
| 09:43.11 | treebeen | eh, IS too little |
| 09:43.15 | Iridos | right |
| 09:43.24 | Iridos | and I thought it would be deleted but still accessed |
| 09:43.32 | gnarface | treebeen: how much ram do you have? some people mount /tmp as tmpfs |
| 09:43.46 | Iridos | space is only freed when the last program stops accessing it |
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| 09:44.09 | gnarface | Iridos: yuck. that means you'd have to close iceweasel |
| 09:44.20 | CuteAlien | *sigh* my tablet also stopped working. Damn dist-upgrade :-(((( |
| 09:44.31 | Iridos | treebeen, and for home systems the trend goes more and more to less partitioning... I.e. partition /home and / and nothing else |
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| 09:45.21 | treebeen | gnarface: well, just 1 gig, /tmp is mounted as tmpfs by default it seems in wheezy with PAE kernel |
| 09:45.24 | Iridos | or some people use lfs for their elaborate partitioning schemes... but that's two points on where you increase complexity for something not needed on a home system |
| 09:46.20 | treebeen | gnarface: i guess i just need to mount /tmp on the hdd... |
| 09:47.19 | themill | treebeen: what's the entry in `mount` for this tmpfs? |
| 09:47.55 | treebeen | tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,size=20%,mode=1777,size=20%,mode=1777) |
| 09:48.03 | gnarface | treebeen: i just bought a 1 TB harddrive for less than 100USD... if you have the means, i highly recommend it. |
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| 09:48.38 | Iridos | ronkrt, you'll have to provide more deatails about what you're speaking for an answer. Also note we don't usually use things like gnome software center but use aptitude or apt-get directly |
| 09:48.47 | treebeen | gnarface: the hd space is no problem, i wasn't aware that /tmp is using the memory... |
| 09:49.01 | dwfreed | gnarface: I just bought a 2TB drive for $80 USD |
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| 09:50.02 | gnarface | dwfreed: 7200 RPM WD Caviar Black ... you? |
| 09:50.28 | Iridos | this is a contest, right? Ok, so I bought a 3T disk for under $50 USD |
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| 09:51.08 | dwfreed | Iridos: and I guarantee it'll fail the day after the warantee runs out |
| 09:51.47 | themill | treebeen: that doesn't sound like anything autogenerated |
| 09:51.54 | dwfreed | gnarface: 5900 RPM Seagate with SATA III |
| 09:52.02 | dwfreed | not sure what the model name is |
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| 09:53.09 | treebeen | themill: well, i haven't messed with tmpfs in any way |
| 09:54.11 | p0g0 | dwfreed: yeah, buy two and use one to backup the other, 1T+ is a lot of data to lose. |
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| 09:54.43 | dwfreed | p0g0: or run a 3-drive RAID5, which is what I do |
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| 09:56.10 | grml-user | hello everybody! I'll soon upgrade a server from lenny to squeeze. Does squeeze still support LILO as boot loader? I didn't find anything saying otherwise, but I'd just like to make sure |
| 09:56.37 | treebeen | # mount /tmp as a tmpfs |
| 09:56.37 | treebeen | RAMTMP=yes |
| 09:56.53 | treebeen | ^ from /etc/default/rcS |
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| 09:57.06 | dwfreed | grml-user: yes, I installed squeeze yesterday, and I still had the option to install LILO |
| 09:57.22 | grml-user | thanks |
| 09:58.19 | gnarface | grml-user: i just installed squeeze on a 266MHZ toshiba PII laptop this evening, and it had a LILO option but i used grub |
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| 10:01.53 | Iridos | funny defaults in logrotate... they seem to be for a super-busy server |
| 10:02.12 | gnarface | woops we forgot to tell grml-user the LILO option is only in expert mode... |
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| 10:03.04 | dwfreed | I do all my installs in expert mode |
| 10:03.20 | grohne | hi. i tried to preseed a squeeze netinst with "install preseed/url=http://......" however the system doesn't download the config. downloading it manually with wget (second console) works. any idea what is wrong here? |
| 10:03.20 | gnarface | Iridos: no, but they're not for a quiet server either |
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| 10:08.53 | grohne | ohh. i should be using "auto url=..." :-) |
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| 10:16.17 | enosdan | Hello Debian. I have a very strange issue here. Can you please give me the md5sum squeeze's /usr/bin/find ? |
| 10:16.43 | gnarface | enosdan: stand by |
| 10:16.59 | enosdan | gnarface: roger txs |
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| 10:17.16 | gnarface | enosdan: i get d9810992a0d8c97948fe653c3363be1b |
| 10:17.34 | enosdan | would that be squeeze? |
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| 10:17.52 | Iridos | !tell enosdan -about debsums |
| 10:17.53 | themill | enosdan: you might like to specify which architecture you're running |
| 10:17.58 | gnarface | enosdan: i'm checking if its updated right now |
| 10:18.11 | gnarface | enosdan: oh yea that's i386 uh... |
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| 10:19.14 | senorpedro | hi |
| 10:19.22 | enosdan | I C I'm on squeeze x64 kernel .39. Will check out debsums |
| 10:19.38 | senorpedro | how can i find out from which server a package will be installed? |
| 10:19.53 | enosdan | gnarface: (txs tho) |
| 10:19.54 | themill | senorpedro: apt-cache policy |
| 10:20.14 | senorpedro | thx themill |
| 10:21.21 | themill | senorpedro: but the other half of the answer is "if you're worried about that, you're probably doing something wrong". What are you really trying to achieve here? |
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| 10:21.52 | enosdan | Right find md5's right. Then either I am missing something or we have a major security issue with the find package. Will explain: |
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| 10:22.11 | senorpedro | how can this be: i want to install a package (coco-cpp) from http://de.archive.ubuntu.com. BUT when doing "aptitude install coco-cpp" i get the message that the server is not trustworthy and whether i really want to install from this server. shouldnt the certificate be already installed? |
| 10:22.28 | themill | senorpedro: is this on a debian box? |
| 10:22.36 | senorpedro | ubuntu acutally |
| 10:22.43 | IRConan | I'd suggest #ubuntu |
| 10:22.45 | enosdan | issue: my home dir just got wiped whit "find . -delete -name libflashplayer.so" |
| 10:23.05 | themill | senorpedro: then you need to ask #ubuntu about how to work out their apt-key setup |
| 10:23.18 | themill | enosdan: that sounds perfectly correct |
| 10:23.44 | IRConan | enosdan: you should read the manpage |
| 10:23.56 | themill | dpkg: tell enosdan about using find |
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| 10:24.08 | senorpedro | themill: ok thx i'll do that |
| 10:24.19 | IRConan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.20 | IRConan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.25 | enosdan | themill: but.. but... wtf! |
| 10:24.32 | senorpedro | i'm just a little concerned that my computer is compromised |
| 10:24.50 | IRConan | enosdan: you told it to delete before you told it the filter... so it deleted first |
| 10:24.54 | boudiccas | senorpedro; ask in #ubuntu, we're not interested |
| 10:25.28 | themill | senorpedro: unlikely; sounds like you're using a repo for which you have no key. Whether that repo is compatible with the rest of your install we can't even guess at. |
| 10:25.41 | Dagger3 | senorpedro: mine is fd8bedb333a961d02fc813845925400f (version 4.4.2 for amd64) |
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| 10:26.00 | Dagger3 | and by senorpedro I mean enosdan |
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| 10:27.35 | enosdan | Darn... I did put --delete at the end in the first place, but moved it not realizing the double dash was the fault |
| 10:27.58 | boudiccas | enosdan; i hope you have good backups? |
| 10:27.58 | themill | enosdan: lucky you can restore from backups quite easily. |
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| 10:32.47 | enosdan | themill: yep luckily IMAP and backups saved me. Well thanks a lot everybody, here you're always kind and professional. Have a nice week! |
| 10:33.00 | themill | good luck |
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| 10:33.54 | enosdan | (txs bye) |
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| 10:35.48 | wojtala | hello everyone! Does anybody have problems with new location of shared memory in debian unstable? Udev and some software stopped working and I can't get it to work. tmpfs is mounted to /run/shm, but the mount point doesn't exist... |
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| 10:37.14 | ksk | mhm. create it? :> |
| 10:37.38 | wojtala | and what next? |
| 10:37.40 | wojtala | remount |
| 10:37.41 | wojtala | ? |
| 10:37.47 | grml-user | hello again! I'm updating from lenny to squeeze. first: kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32. depmod complained about missing qla2xxx firmware, so I did apt-get install firmware-qlogic. but configuring that says "/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-1-686-smp does not exist. cannot update" - why does it complain about 2.4.18 if I have 2.4.26 running? |
| 10:37.55 | ksk | think so. but you are the one using unstable ;) |
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| 10:39.55 | wojtala | ksk, it nobody else using unstable? I use unstable for couple of years, most reliable system so far! Just sth went wrong with init-scripts or so |
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| 10:40.07 | wojtala | maybe dist-upgrade should fix it? |
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| 10:40.22 | nevyn | wojtala: people on #debian-next use testing/unstable |
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| 10:40.32 | nevyn | however it's offtopic for this channel |
| 10:40.43 | wojtala | ook, I'll ask there, don't know all the rules. thanks |
| 10:40.51 | dokma | do I need to do anything after copying a dll file to /usr/lib/codecs to make players pick it up?? |
| 10:41.22 | themill | nevyn: "offtopic" is a bit harsh; "you'll probably get better help there" might be better. |
| 10:41.23 | wojtala | how to get invitation to #debian-next? |
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| 10:41.30 | themill | wojtala: it's on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:41.55 | themill | wojtala: there's a reasonable amount of churn going on with /run at the moment, but my impression was that it was in a reasonably stable state by now |
| 10:42.12 | boudiccas | themill; he's gone |
| 10:42.25 | themill | boudiccas: yes, I can see that... |
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| 10:44.01 | Bushmills | boudiccas: there will be another one |
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| 10:44.18 | mrstocks | hi i have 2 problems with sid, first the DNS's 90% of the time i get a Server not Found but when i refresh it works - any ideas? |
| 10:44.51 | themill | mrstocks: are you using your crappy ADSL modem/router as a DNS server? |
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| 10:44.53 | Bushmills | mrstocks: do some diagnosis, using dig |
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| 10:45.11 | mrstocks | themill, nop the other works well |
| 10:45.31 | gnarface | mrstocks: maybe one of your dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf is dead? try querying them individually for several domains? |
| 10:45.41 | mrstocks | i will try |
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| 10:46.13 | mrstocks | maybe the router is dieing (192.168.1.1) |
| 10:46.49 | gnarface | mrstocks: do you see packet loss? |
| 10:47.01 | themill | umm... that's what I was asking about. That's fairly common behaviour... |
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| 10:48.13 | mrstocks | ummmm well its not often |
| 10:48.34 | mrstocks | i will change to change the nameservers on the router and see |
| 10:49.25 | mrstocks | Anymore question i will sort that one out later. Getting the firefox to work (i have too for my job) |
| 10:49.33 | themill | if it's a consumer crap adsl router, then changing your setup to ignore the router is often an even better plan |
| 10:49.59 | mrstocks | themill, i will, i will use opendns or the google ones |
| 10:50.30 | dokma | abrotman: do you know if anything needs to be done after copying a dll to /usr/lib/codecs ?? |
| 10:50.32 | dym | Can anyone suggest a good local NFS system to mirror data from an online server to? |
| 10:50.35 | dym | err |
| 10:50.36 | dym | NAS* |
| 10:51.03 | dokma | abrotman: reason cause my players still can't play wmvs done in G2M3 codec |
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| 10:51.06 | mrstocks | i've just install firefox for screenshots etc, everytime i get a "Couldn't load XPCOM." however iceweasel works :/ |
| 10:51.27 | mrstocks | i have no idea who to debug it |
| 10:51.53 | gnarface | mrstocks: maybe firefox sucks |
| 10:52.02 | mrstocks | well, its my job |
| 10:52.30 | mrstocks | Look Firefox can't find the server at mail.google.com. |
| 10:52.44 | Bushmills | dym: lsyncd |
| 10:52.51 | gnarface | mrstocks: uh, restart it? |
| 10:52.57 | mrstocks | --- googlemail.l.google.com ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 10:52.58 | Bushmills | that is, lsyncd over nfs |
| 10:52.59 | dym | Bushmills: i ment an actual appliance |
| 10:53.18 | gnarface | mrstocks: if you changed your namservers you may need to restart firefox |
| 10:53.27 | Iridos | what? |
| 10:53.28 | mrstocks | Nop i haven't yet |
| 10:53.32 | Bushmills | dym: ah. a computer |
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| 10:54.15 | Bushmills | i'd check out the guruplug |
| 10:54.47 | themill | Something newer without heat dissipation problems would be better |
| 10:55.06 | Bushmills | an openwrt router |
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| 10:58.15 | kronic | I'm having an issue with vmware server 2 on squee & bridged vlan interfaces. VMs can see other VMs on a VLAN interface, however separate physical devices on the same vlan cannot see each other |
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| 10:59.41 | dym | Bushmills: well kinda. You know those NAS appliances like Drobo and Stuff |
| 10:59.52 | dym | Bushmills: i just need one of them that allows scp transfers |
| 11:00.33 | mrstocks | gnarface, it's missing ia32-libs-gtk |
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| 11:00.43 | mrstocks | and the LD_E_PATH |
| 11:00.55 | mrstocks | and not because it "sucks" |
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| 11:01.22 | Iridos | LD_E? |
| 11:01.32 | Iridos | E? |
| 11:01.34 | mrstocks | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH; |
| 11:01.47 | mrstocks | couldn't be bothered to type |
| 11:02.09 | Iridos | and I thought it's a new secret variable |
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| 11:03.22 | mrstocks | Their isn't any help yet on google about getting it running firefox 7 on testing on a 64 machine |
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| 11:04.50 | themill | mrstocks: iceweasel 7 backports work just fine on squeeze (and wheezy). If you specifically want firefox, try asking #firefox. |
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| 11:05.59 | mrstocks | themill, the work i do i use iceweasel but something want to make screenshots with firefox, saves me explaining it "is" the same |
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| 11:06.11 | mrstocks | simetimes* |
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| 11:08.50 | Bushmills | sametimes? |
| 11:09.36 | mrstocks | some |
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| 11:10.15 | themill | mrstocks: leave the window decorations out of the screenshot and then people won't even see that it's called something different in the title bar... |
| 11:10.59 | inglor | Hi, I am getting an error about libxp.so.6 on a java program. java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: ... jre/lib/i386/libawt.so: libXt.so.6: |
| 11:11.00 | inglor | cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:11.13 | mrstocks | i can't believe i'm having this conversation. |
| 11:11.28 | inglor | I'm on a 64bti machine and I think I am missing the 32b libxp, is that correct ? |
| 11:11.55 | Bushmills | try apt-file find libawt.so and see whether you're missing one of those |
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| 11:13.35 | themill | actually, it's probably libXt.so.6 that it's not finding by the looks of that snippet. Yes, ia32-libs is what you need. |
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| 11:14.24 | inglor | ah, I installed the libxp6 so I guess it's the 64bit version, right ? |
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| 11:16.00 | petern_ | how did you get to libxp from libXt.so.6? |
| 11:16.24 | petern_ | anyway, check you have ia32-libs installed |
| 11:16.27 | themill | seeing the real output in a pastebin would be handy for this |
| 11:16.50 | petern_ | yar |
| 11:16.57 | inglor | yeah I think petern_ is correct. I will do that first and come back |
| 11:17.06 | inglor | (with a proper pastebin this time ) |
| 11:17.07 | inglor | thanks |
| 11:17.16 | petern_ | inglor, themill said it first, i just hadn't spotted it ;) |
| 11:17.25 | inglor | oops |
| 11:17.32 | inglor | themill, thanks dude ;) |
| 11:18.00 | themill | inglor: apt-file ftw as Bushmills said. |
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| 11:18.42 | ju2ef | hi, do you know if deian is good for ardour, I mean can you install real time kernel on it? |
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| 11:20.58 | petern_ | of course you _can_ |
| 11:21.05 | petern_ | it's not necessary for ardour though |
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| 11:21.36 | ju2ef | but ubuntu is so annoying, keep loosing sound, |
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| 11:39.25 | Ermac740 | Hello Friends |
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| 11:47.52 | jokar | Dennis Ritchie, Father of C and Co-Developer of Unix, Dies |
| 11:48.06 | themill | welcomes jokar to last week |
| 11:48.19 | jokar | nah |
| 11:48.22 | jokar | i know |
| 11:48.37 | jokar | i think some of person not know |
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| 12:02.48 | Crypticfortune | Am I missing something? or if you write a package that works with say any boost >= 1.35, do you actually have to go "Depends: libboost-regex1.35 | libboost-regex1.42" etc? |
| 12:03.42 | Sevet_ | if the package name is the same you can add (>= 1.35) but if it's part of the package name you need to list them, or a virtual package that they provide |
| 12:03.45 | sonney2k | does anyone know what the buildd memory limits are - I mean what is the maximum amount of memory a process is allowed to use when compiling on an autobuilder? |
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| 12:05.18 | Crypticfortune | Sevet: ya, as far as I can tell boost has no such virtual package. This is a "My First Package" so I thought I might just be missing something obvious... |
| 12:05.42 | themill | Crypticfortune: you'd be compiling against "libboost-regex-dev" (should you actually have something that works with any boost...) and then letting various helper tools work out what actual library dependencies that implies at build time. |
| 12:06.50 | Sevet | themill: do you mean dh_makeshlibs and ${shlibs:Depends}? |
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| 12:06.59 | Crypticfortune | Oh I was just missing the virtual package. themill is correct ^^ |
| 12:07.26 | Crypticfortune | And yeah, as much as I feel like I future proofed it, boost does tend to deprecate seemingly stable things.. >_<;; |
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| 12:07.53 | themill | Sevet: just ${shlibs:Depends}, that dh_makeshlibs is something that the maintainer of the library uses, not the maintainer of the package that will use the library |
| 12:07.54 | Sevet | -dev is just the development headers as a build dependancy, the binary library for the runtime dependancy will be different |
| 12:08.17 | Sevet | themill: 'k |
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| 12:11.43 | Crypticfortune | wait, now I'm confused. I don't have to include any libboost-regex___ in my Depends: line? the dh_* scripts will amend Depends: based on linked libraries? |
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| 12:13.26 | mrstocks | what a mess this 64b systems |
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| 12:14.00 | themill | Crypticfortune: you'd have "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}" in debian/control and dh_* things will make substitutions to that for you. BTW have you read the new maintainer's guide (/msg dpkg nmg); once you've got on top of this a little more, wander over to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:16.06 | grimeton | hm, on debian 6.0.3 stable the script that adds the full hostname to /etc/hosts creates an entry with 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:16.09 | grimeton | weird |
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| 12:17.09 | themill | !why 127.0.1.1 |
| 12:17.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, why 127.0.1.1 is http://qref.sf.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dns |
| 12:18.10 | Crypticfortune | themill: thanks I see. very clever. Yes, I've been reading that and the related docs, but they're generally targetting other people's autoconf stuff, while I'm using scons and am the upstream maintainer, so it's kind of confusing.. |
| 12:18.23 | babilen | grimeton: No, not at all. Read also http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/06/msg00938.html in addition to the link above. |
| 12:19.43 | mrstocks | Anyone has ideas on Failed to load module: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so ? |
| 12:21.05 | themill | mrstocks: do you have gvfs installed? What generated that error? Please give us a fighting chance... |
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| 12:22.28 | mrstocks | themill, i have realplay and firefox on a 64b machine some plugins fail because of this error |
| 12:23.00 | mrstocks | i suppose its incompatible with 64 but i would run them as 32 they say |
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| 12:23.43 | Bushmills | mrstocks: yes, idea: that's an error message |
| 12:24.06 | themill | mrstocks: *shrug* there's so little we can do about non-free crap that doesn't work on amd64. If there source were available, we could compile it for amd64 and if that didn't work, fix it. |
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| 12:24.41 | mrstocks | Some people got it working so |
| 12:24.52 | Bushmills | maybe those knew how to use apt-file |
| 12:25.21 | Iridos | it's a possibility |
| 12:25.22 | themill | mrstocks: ask #firefox. All we can do is point you at apt-file and hope that the necessary 32-bit compat libraries exist for amd64. |
| 12:25.41 | mrstocks | Ok i understand. |
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| 12:25.50 | mrstocks | Bushmills why apt-file? |
| 12:25.57 | themill | dpkg: tell mrstocks about apt-file |
| 12:26.02 | mrstocks | im not "missing any files" |
| 12:26.07 | Bushmills | because that's a tool which can help you with your problem |
| 12:26.16 | themill | mrstocks: or point you to mozilla.debian.net so you can get iceweasel 7 for amd64 that already works... |
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| 12:26.26 | abrotman | dokma: i don't even know those acroynms |
| 12:26.40 | mrstocks | themill, true. |
| 12:27.19 | dokma | abrotman: do you use any strange codecs? |
| 12:27.53 | abrotman | dokma: not generally .. just the one for my camera, but vlc handles it |
| 12:28.18 | dokma | abrotman: I see.... I just copied one codec to /usr/lib/codecs but the player still cannot play the video |
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| 12:28.34 | dokma | abrotman: so I thought I need some sort of refresh/update or something like taht |
| 12:28.42 | abrotman | dokma: doesn't help me .. i really know very little about codecs thankfully |
| 12:29.17 | dokma | abrotman: thanks for your time anyway man! |
| 12:29.48 | guardian | which do you use, ntp or openntpd? |
| 12:30.01 | Bushmills | or chrony |
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| 12:32.35 | zyg | Hi, I have /dev/sdg access to an HD I want to install debian on. What would be the way? |
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| 12:33.54 | Crypticfortune | zyg: I did that by hand once. it's a bit of a pain, but you can partition it, format it, etc, then use debootstrap to install base system on it, chroot and configure grub etc... |
| 12:34.03 | arghx | zyg: you mean you already run a linux and want to install debian without a boot cd? |
| 12:34.13 | zyg | Can I dd netinst onto the /dev/sdg , would it need further access during install? |
| 12:34.16 | Bushmills | zyg, that means you've already booted into linux? |
| 12:34.45 | arghx | zyg: maybe you should tell us exactly what you want to do and why |
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| 12:35.21 | zyg | The HD in question is attached to /dev/sdg .. after finished, I will take that HD and put it into the target computer and boot up. Possibly doing further install/reinstall of debian. |
| 12:35.50 | Bushmills | !debootstrap |
| 12:35.51 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 12:35.56 | zyg | Why: I have no cdrom/usb/lan access on the target (old p3). |
| 12:35.57 | Crypticfortune | zyg: why not just put HD in target machine, and boot the installer from CD/USB/netboot, etc? |
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| 12:36.20 | Bushmills | mind you that debootstrap doesn't install linux image and boot loader |
| 12:36.34 | arghx | zyg: when you do that, the hdd in the target system will be reognized as 0x80 instead of 0x85 or so, which means your bootloader won't work |
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| 12:38.56 | zyg | arghx: how far would I get doing the netinst route? can I create two partition, and somehow unpack netinst onto the bootable? |
| 12:39.55 | Crypticfortune | zyg: how are you going to netinst on a machine without lan access? >_>;; |
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| 12:40.41 | zyg | Crypticfortune: I'm assuming it is only the bios which cant use the nic. It is detected but wont proceed doing pxe or what was the protocol prior. |
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| 12:41.58 | Crypticfortune | zyg: ahh ok, so it does have net access, just can't boot from lan. ok... |
| 12:42.14 | Iridos | sounded a bit like |
| 12:42.18 | Iridos | !rube goldberg install |
| 12:42.18 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 12:42.32 | zyg | sorry, I meant dd boot.gz /dev/sdg, mount and then copy over netinst iso. |
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| 12:46.57 | Crypticfortune | zyg: ah ha! I think i've got it. set up syslinux ramdisk boot to load an installer image off your target hardisk. hopefully that'll let you reformat it with the installer. (if it screws up though, you have to start again from zero =P |
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| 12:48.33 | zyg | Crypticfortune: yes I'm trying that now. unpack boot.img.gz, copy in netinst.iso .. ie, treat it like an usb device |
| 12:49.24 | mosno | why is debconf listed twice as a dependency of pbuilder in aptitude? http://i.imgur.com/Yh4qU.png |
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| 12:50.09 | Crypticfortune | zyg: i think netinst.iso is probably not the right choice... iirc that actually tries to mount an ISO file system from a cdrom. I think I tried something similar and it didn't work. I'd go for the USB key image. |
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| 12:51.08 | zyg | Crypticfortune: aren't those the same? I'm pretty sure I've done all my usb installation using the debian-netinst iso |
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| 12:52.09 | themill | mosno: because it satisfies both the left and right sides of that "debconf | debconf-2.0" option |
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| 12:53.20 | mah454 | what do "-m socket" in this rule ? : iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m socket -j DIVERT |
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| 12:53.31 | mosno | aah, via Provides. thanks, themill |
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| 12:55.13 | ksk | hey |
| 12:56.05 | ksk | is there a list of special access rights somewhere? (like a dictionary having 2755) |
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| 12:57.33 | zyg | victory! I see the debian installer rocket and the goat |
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| 13:00.11 | jelly | KettleCorn: dpkg --purge packagename |
| 13:00.19 | KettleCorn | lol thanks |
| 13:00.49 | jelly | KettleCorn: removing packages leaves config files behind. That often includes cron jobs. |
| 13:01.05 | KettleCorn | and purging fixes the cron? |
| 13:01.09 | jelly | KettleCorn: purge wipes the config files |
| 13:01.16 | jelly | !tell KettleCorn about purge |
| 13:02.05 | KettleCorn | ok so generally, if you apt-get remove something and you know for sure you really want it gone and never want to use it again, you really should purge it? |
| 13:02.11 | jelly | yep |
| 13:02.26 | KettleCorn | ok. when I run dpkg --purge sendmail it tells me: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove sendmail which isn't installed. |
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| 13:02.37 | jxrgx | hi all |
| 13:02.40 | arghx | Crypticfortune: netinst doesn't need any network access to install a full debian |
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| 13:02.45 | jelly | KettleCorn: you didn't type in the correct package name(s) |
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| 13:02.52 | arghx | zyg: you can do everything but install a working bootloader |
| 13:03.00 | KettleCorn | got it |
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| 13:03.47 | themill | KettleCorn: or "aptitude purge packagename"; also "aptitude search ~c" and even "aptitude purge ~c" if you know you don't want any of those config files around for a rainy day |
| 13:03.52 | rly | Is there any kind of 'voice command' for Debian? |
| 13:04.08 | KettleCorn | themill: thanks |
| 13:04.09 | rly | Something simple like 'Go' could do something. |
| 13:04.10 | jxrgx | I am using debian squeeze. I have installed and configured samba for joining a domain and nsswitch adding winbind. When I use wbinfo all is working well but when getent passwd no results from de domain appear |
| 13:04.12 | jxrgx | any idea? |
| 13:04.23 | KettleCorn | jelly: still I can run /etc/init.d/sendmail status |
| 13:04.51 | KettleCorn | jelly: sorry never mind got it now |
| 13:04.55 | jelly | KettleCorn: which package does that script belong to? dpkg -S /etc/init.d/sendmail |
| 13:04.59 | zyg | arghx: that would bring me just about the finish line. Cant I fix that otherwise? |
| 13:05.38 | jelly | KettleCorn: just make sure all the dpkg -l sendmail\* bits have n as the second letter of the line (status: not installed, no config files, nothing) |
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| 13:06.32 | jelly | KettleCorn: "rc" means "merely Removed but Config files still here", and "ii" is basically "installed" |
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| 13:09.45 | KettleCorn | jelly: cool! well it's removed now. back to troubleshooting postfix |
| 13:10.02 | jelly | alright |
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| 13:10.42 | kthakore | Hello |
| 13:11.16 | kthakore | How can I confirm that Debian 6 will work well with my laptop? Have there been a list of laptops and their problems with debian compiled anywhere? |
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| 13:11.40 | themill | !laptop |
| 13:11.40 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 13:11.55 | kthakore | I am currently on Ubuntu 11.04 and I am getting sick of their insane upgrades that just get worse and worse |
| 13:12.06 | kthakore | themill: thanks! |
| 13:12.34 | themill | kthakore: grabbing a debian live disk can be handy (/msg dpkg live); but if 11.04 works, then squeeze probably does, possibly with some newer stuff from backports if needed |
| 13:12.41 | kthakore | ok |
| 13:12.54 | jelly | kthakore: hey, their upgrades go just fine, it's just that things don't work AFTERWARDS |
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| 13:13.16 | kthakore | there are a few scripts I wrote for my keyboard light up and stuff would that work fine? |
| 13:13.40 | kthakore | jelly: yeah ... tell my about it. No printer support after upgrade ... |
| 13:13.49 | kthakore | and I am on a LTS |
| 13:14.06 | jelly | your... grandma? dog? AI fembot? |
| 13:14.09 | kthakore | I actually am starting to hate the 6 month release because |
| 13:14.18 | kthakore | Long Term Support |
| 13:14.27 | kthakore | there are AI fembots? |
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| 13:16.48 | cga_work | hi all, I get this error when trying to make some cacert: http://pastebin.com/3mZw8dgQ what do I miss? |
| 13:17.17 | themill | the config file that you specified |
| 13:17.39 | cga_work | oh |
| 13:18.56 | zophy | is chrome any good ? |
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| 13:22.43 | cga_work | themill: thanks =) now I get the same error but the file is there :/ |
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| 13:22.54 | cga_work | 15957:error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory:bss_file.c:352:fopen('./demoCA/private/cakey.pem','r') |
| 13:23.05 | themill | that's a different error though |
| 13:23.20 | cga_work | ohps |
| 13:23.28 | cga_work | sorry I'm not good at certs |
| 13:23.32 | themill | perhaps you wanted /msg dpkg make-ssl-cert |
| 13:23.56 | cga_work | I am following this if it's of any interest: http://nixcraft.com/getting-started-tutorials/3075-postfix-mail-server-create-self-signed-ssl-certificates-cent-os-redhat-linux.html |
| 13:24.28 | ghoulsblade | hi all, after a power outage + raid forced assemble i can mount (readonly) /dev/md2 as ext2 just fine, but not as ext3 as it was before, fsck.ext3 /dev/md2 says "Journal inode is not in use, but contains data. Clear<y>?", any idea how to fix it, or should i just leave it as ext2 ? |
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| 13:25.19 | themill | cga_work: I'm sure you could find a debian-specific tutorial if you're looking for guidance there. http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze is a good one. Some of them on howtoforge are ok. |
| 13:25.41 | ELETRONICO_HW | hello, how to i can sending sms for mi celular |
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| 13:26.08 | cga_work | themill: ok thanks |
| 13:26.48 | dym | Im wondering. When creating a software raid - do you make filesystems on the partitions, before syncing to md devices, or do that post-creation? |
| 13:29.10 | ghoulsblade | dym : you can do both afaik, when assembling the raid, you can either use partitions, or the whole disk |
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| 13:29.25 | dym | ghoulsblade: nah thats not what i ment |
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| 13:29.34 | dym | when using multiple partitions for multiple md devices |
| 13:30.09 | ghoulsblade | you mean formatting with ext2/ext3 or something ? you have to do that on the assembled raid, it's like a virtual new harddisk |
| 13:30.18 | robin_sz | begins to regret ever installing Picasa |
| 13:30.26 | ghoulsblade | you can't just combine multiple existing small ext2 's into a big raid-ext2 |
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| 13:30.59 | dym | ghoulsblade: like i have sda1 - sdb1 / sda2 - sdb2 : do i create a filesystem on those partitions, or after assembling the md devices on /dev/mdX ? |
| 13:31.08 | Sevet | on mdX |
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| 13:31.11 | cga_work | themill: is this enough? http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/authenticated-smtp , no CA ? |
| 13:31.13 | ghoulsblade | after assembling on mdX |
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| 13:31.16 | dym | right! |
| 13:31.25 | Sevet | if you do it on the sdaX it'll overwrite metadata identifying it as a md disk |
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| 13:31.51 | zyg | about xpdf, have you on testing/unstable noticed that "--aa no" option wont work anymore? |
| 13:32.14 | themill | cga_work: why are you following the lenny guide? |
| 13:32.16 | totte | Uh, MySQLd fails to start at boot: "Starting MySQL database server ... failed!" but once I logged in and checked "service mysql status" it was running. The MySQL logs in /var/log were all empty though, even the .gz-s(?), where do I find out what cause this hiccup? |
| 13:32.22 | Sevet | (plus writing direct to sdaX it wouldn't be replicated to the other disks) |
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| 13:32.48 | Sevet | totte: 'grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log' |
| 13:32.52 | dym | Sevet: not if its pre-creation of the md deevice ;D |
| 13:33.01 | cga_work | themill: because I use lenny on this server |
| 13:33.04 | Sevet | it might have just taken a long time to startup and timed out, e.g. if creating large ib_logfileN files |
| 13:33.21 | themill | cga_work: now is the time to be making lenny->squeeze upgrades, not making new installs of lenny. |
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| 13:33.46 | cga_work | themill: please don't question this... it's not a choice... |
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| 13:34.23 | Sevet | dym: metadata means that won't work as you expect, you want to create mdX before adding any data, then write to mdX. once created you can add extra disks to the array. |
| 13:34.30 | themill | cga_work: sure. Just making sure that you understand you only have a few more months of security support left for lenny and that you could well have to redo much of this work following lenny->squeeze. |
| 13:34.32 | cga_work | themill: also. this server is lenny since lenny was testing. my actual provider won't support my type of vps anymore so there's no upgrade available. |
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| 13:35.09 | totte | Sevet: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2), then after that it looks cool... just a timeout I guess? |
| 13:35.12 | cga_work | themill: good to know thanks. I am moving to another ISP sooner than later. they will have squeeze |
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| 13:35.31 | totte | Sevet: lol /var/log/daemons... How did I miss that one? :) |
| 13:35.32 | ubuntu_ | Why isn't webmin supported anymore? |
| 13:35.36 | cga_work | themill: now, is this enough? http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/authenticated-smtp , no CA ? |
| 13:35.47 | Sevet | totte: could be. daemon.log holds the mysql logs, you'll see there if it was doing something that made it take a long time to startup |
| 13:36.02 | Sevet | if you can connect to the daemon now it should be ok |
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| 13:36.10 | cga_work | themill: this rather: http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze/ssl-certificates |
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| 13:36.36 | themill | cga_work: the CA is to allow you to convince the clients to accept the certificate more easily. |
| 13:37.39 | themill | ubuntu_: by "any more" you mean "for the last 6 years" |
| 13:37.51 | ubuntu_ | themill, yes |
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| 13:37.58 | themill | dpkg: tell ubuntu_ about webmin |
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| 13:38.56 | KettleCorn | tell KettleCorn about webmin |
| 13:39.01 | KettleCorn | dpkg: tell KettleCorn about webmin |
| 13:39.21 | jelly | KettleCorn: you can /msg dpkg webmin (and other stuff) in private |
| 13:39.23 | themill | KettleCorn: you can just "/msg dpkg webmin" too |
| 13:39.30 | ubuntu_ | themill, That was 6 years ago. |
| 13:39.47 | jelly | webmin upstream packages aren't too horrible these days |
| 13:39.50 | ubuntu_ | themill, Oh no I dont want to use Ubuntu 5.10 (or debian which was released then) because it contains some bug! |
| 13:39.54 | ELETRONICO_HW | hello, how to can I sending sms for mi celular ???? |
| 13:40.03 | themill | ubuntu_: and no-one has volunteered to make sure these problems don't still exist. |
| 13:40.16 | ubuntu_ | themill, they dont exist |
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| 13:40.29 | KettleCorn | jelly, themill, thanks |
| 13:40.35 | themill | ubuntu_: /msg dpkg ITP |
| 13:41.17 | ubuntu_ | Any other control panel which I can use for my server that is being supported? |
| 13:41.58 | jelly | ubuntu_: I'm using webmin on a VM in a private segment so don't worry as much, but... have you actually gone and verified they fixed their infrastructual problems? |
| 13:42.39 | Bushmills | ssh makes a formidable server configuration frontend |
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| 13:42.56 | jelly | *snort* |
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| 13:43.08 | jelly | no, a shell is not a fronted |
| 13:43.18 | Bushmills | technically correct |
| 13:43.19 | jelly | if you said "puppet" |
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| 13:43.32 | jelly | Bushmills: but semantically a bad joke |
| 13:43.40 | devil | jelly: you can have a look at froxlor |
| 13:44.25 | jelly | ubuntu_ see what devil mentions ^^ |
| 13:44.34 | jelly | does not need that |
| 13:44.35 | ubuntu_ | jelly, yes |
| 13:44.43 | devil | jelly: ups, sry :) |
| 13:44.58 | ubuntu_ | you can't manage your server with froxlor |
| 13:45.06 | ubuntu_ | froxlor is a webhosting panel |
| 13:45.09 | ubuntu_ | to configure webhosting |
| 13:45.15 | ubuntu_ | with webmin you can configure the server itself |
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| 13:45.36 | jelly | ubuntu_: uhh... webmin can't replace a sysadmin. |
| 13:45.39 | nkuttler | imo people who can't use the command line or edit text files shouldn't run servers |
| 13:45.48 | devil | ubuntu_: î disagree |
| 13:45.56 | zyg | arghx: got through grub installation and initial boot, at the login prompt now :) |
| 13:45.59 | ubuntu_ | jelly, i know it can't replace |
| 13:46.16 | ubuntu_ | nkuttler, i can use the command line, but it's much easier to see all server details on the website |
| 13:46.30 | ubuntu_ | on 1 page you can see the cpu load, mem load, hdd load, traffic |
| 13:46.32 | ubuntu_ | and so on |
| 13:46.38 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.39 | dpkg | Munin (formerly LRRD) is a network and system monitoring application, presenting graphs via <rrdtool>. Examples: http://munin.ping.uio.no/ . http://munin-monitoring.org/ #munin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:46.39 | nkuttler | oh you just want stats? |
| 13:46.41 | jelly | ubuntu_: sooner or later you hit boundaries of what it can do, and how well or unwell it handles upgrades done underneath its feet |
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| 13:46.49 | Bushmills | !nms |
| 13:46.52 | cga_work | themill: thanks I solved my issues |
| 13:47.00 | ubuntu_ | jelly, which boundaries? |
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| 13:47.43 | zophy | man chrome makes firefox look really slow and clunky |
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| 13:48.02 | ubuntu_ | zophy, firefox makes chrome looks clunky and way to simple |
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| 13:48.48 | jelly | ubuntu_: it's not a comprehensive tool and it can't handle all the changes you can do when configuring things manually |
| 13:48.48 | devil | ubuntu_: froxlor configures servers just fine, even though i agree with the others on ssh being the appropriate tool |
| 13:48.48 | dimaursu16 | hello |
| 13:49.16 | ubuntu_ | Froxlor doesn't haves firewall mangement |
| 13:49.18 | ubuntu_ | management * |
| 13:49.28 | devil | ubuntu_: i give up |
| 13:49.28 | zyg | For some unknown reason I choosed no shadow. And now passwd is passwordless for root :/ |
| 13:50.09 | ubuntu_ | Shall I choose Zentyal or Webmin? |
| 13:51.07 | themill | ubuntu_: you can do whatever you want. But when you come here for help, we will (a) point and laugh (b) tell you can keep all the broken bits for yourself and (c) ask you to configure things correctly via the command line. |
| 13:51.28 | plorky | arghx: thanks for the conf file reinstall information |
| 13:51.55 | plorky | i ended up using midnight commander to get the file from the deb |
| 13:51.59 | jelly | zyg: does "dpkg-reconfigure passwd" ask you whether you want shadow again? |
| 13:52.36 | themill | ubuntu_: you may also wish to decide at some stage if you're talking about a debian machine or an ubuntu machine and then direct your questions only to the appropriate channel. |
| 13:52.43 | zyg | jelly: I have no root prompt available. But I'm going to copy the user-entry to the root entry in passwd |
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| 13:53.03 | arghx | zyg: why would you do such a thing? |
| 13:53.32 | jelly | zyg: right. When you get to root, you'll want to enable shadow one way or the other |
| 13:54.33 | plorky | hello |
| 13:54.51 | plorky | any good php accelerator in debian |
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| 13:55.59 | zyg | jelly: why enable shadow again? |
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| 13:56.02 | Sevet | plorky: there's php5-xcache |
| 13:56.09 | Sevet | perhaps others, but that's the one i use |
| 13:56.09 | no_gravity | Hello Debian! Strange, I have a linux machine, that hangs when I try to connect to a certain host X via ssh. It connects happily to other hosts. And other clients can connect to X. Any idea how I can resolve this? |
| 13:56.13 | zyg | arghx: I need to gain root access somehow. |
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| 13:56.30 | jelly | zyg: because it's silly not to |
| 13:56.54 | jelly | zyg: did you have a good reason to disable it? |
| 13:57.47 | Sevet | no_gravity: perhaps it's not your client, but the server where the delay occurs. you can also try connecting with the verbose flag to see the step it hangs at. |
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| 13:58.09 | no_gravity | Sevet: "ssh -v host"? ok, let me try... |
| 13:58.50 | zyg | jelly: well no reason eitherway really. Anyway my trick seem to have worked. I'll try your command to turn on shadow. |
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| 13:59.42 | jelly | zyg: I don't think it's going to work |
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| 14:00.14 | zyg | jelly: It didn't, did nothing. But I'm happy without shadow. |
| 14:00.29 | no_gravity | Sevet: Interesting. I seems it was a temporary problem. Now it works. |
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| 14:01.21 | jelly | zyg: it's not a common configuration, and you have a system needlessly exposed to local security issues |
| 14:01.36 | batouzo | hi, what is the best way to install grsecurity? Build vanilla kernel + grsec? what about debian's patches? |
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| 14:02.08 | jelly | batouzo: forget Debian's patches, do the vanilla+grsec dance |
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| 14:02.47 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.59 | bso | has anyone installed kernel 3.0 for amd64? |
| 14:03.04 | batouzo | jelly: oki |
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| 14:03.18 | arghx | bso: tons of people did |
| 14:03.18 | batouzo | jelly: so thoes debian patches are not that crucial after all? |
| 14:03.21 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me why since i upgraded my kernel its NOT keeping TIME from the bios which IS the right time ? |
| 14:03.39 | bso | Agiofws: you're probably pulling network time |
| 14:03.48 | arghx | Agiofws: is it a timezone problem or a drifting/jumping clock? |
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| 14:04.03 | zyg | jelly: The box will serve as a ssh <-> parallel-port gateway. They dont put that port anymore, so I'm really happy debian still installs on this old stuff. |
| 14:04.10 | bso | arghx: i was thiking of moving to it |
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| 14:04.13 | jelly | batouzo: Debian will work well with a recent grsecurity-patched kernel, with some well known workarounds. |
| 14:04.20 | bso | but i'm not sure i'd use anything from 6.32 => 3.0 |
| 14:04.21 | bso | so.. meh |
| 14:04.35 | batouzo | jelly: nice |
| 14:04.49 | batouzo | btw, any idea why hardened debian project was apparently abandoned? |
| 14:04.57 | arghx | bso: it's 2.6.32 vs 2.6.40 aka 3.0. note: 2.6 is smaller than 3.0 |
| 14:05.07 | jelly | there was noone to do the work? |
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| 14:05.20 | batouzo | it does seem like interesting project... |
| 14:05.31 | batouzo | like something that all serious admins would like to have |
| 14:05.43 | Agiofws | well now in greece its17:00 and its showing its 20:00 |
| 14:06.05 | Agiofws | arghx, |
| 14:06.11 | arghx | you have timezone problems. use hwclock to check what time your BIOS keeps |
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| 14:06.54 | WebDawg_ | 14e4:4320 is the broadcom card that I have. The documentation states that I need the legacy drivers. Debian will only install the b43 drivers. |
| 14:07.03 | Agiofws | annot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 14:07.06 | Agiofws | Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method. |
| 14:07.06 | WebDawg_ | Help Please. |
| 14:07.28 | Agiofws | Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. |
| 14:07.31 | Agiofws | No usable clock interface found. |
| 14:07.31 | Agiofws | Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 14:07.45 | Agiofws | was rtc decaprecated in 3.1 rc ? kernel ? |
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| 14:08.31 | arghx | ,pciid 14e4:4320 |
| 14:08.33 | judd | [14e4:4320] is 'BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4320 |
| 14:08.38 | bso | arghx: yeah, i've seen reports of 3.0 being huge |
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| 14:09.10 | arghx | bso: please stay with 2.6.32. 3.0 is not supported for squeeze |
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| 14:09.19 | bso | i realize |
| 14:09.43 | bso | what is shitty though is python is out of date on squeeze |
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| 14:09.54 | Agiofws | i'm on 3.1 rc :) |
| 14:11.08 | bso | i need >=2.7 |
| 14:11.23 | themill | bso: python2.6 is there and if people are writing 2.7-only code, they need their heads read. |
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| 14:12.34 | bso | sabnzbplus is >2.7 |
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| 14:12.49 | themill | >2.7? how... creative. |
| 14:13.00 | SuperNull | hey all. |
| 14:13.15 | SuperNull | anyone know of a way to glean more info on why an app is holding unix socks open ? |
| 14:13.26 | dimaursu16 | does anyone tried to flash a laptop bios trough an emulator? I've installed flashrom, but it doesn't support laptops and I don't want to loose it |
| 14:13.48 | bso | flashrom is awesome. |
| 14:14.36 | ghoulsblade | Hi all, after power outage i get an error when mounting as ext3, but can mount it fine as ext2. running fsck.ext3 on a raid5 it says : "Journal inode is not in use, but contains data. Clear<y>?" should i just clear it, or will that turn it into ext2 finally ? |
| 14:14.41 | arghx | dimaursu16: you dannot do it via emulator since you need direct hardware access. and for that you need the OS the flash program is written for. many laptop makers give out boot cd isos for BIOS flashing. have you checked? |
| 14:15.46 | dimaursu16 | yes...I have one Acer...and they suppose I use windows/dos but for over an year I don't use Microsoft products at all |
| 14:16.12 | WebDawg_ | The legacy drivers are supposed to support this card. |
| 14:16.18 | WebDawg_ | Debians installer is wrong. |
| 14:16.24 | WebDawg_ | !!!! |
| 14:16.24 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 14:16.31 | bso | !!!! |
| 14:16.36 | bso | [dpkg(~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Someone already said that 7 seconds ago |
| 14:16.36 | WebDawg_ | DEBIAN IS BROKEN |
| 14:16.37 | bso | meh |
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| 14:16.46 | bso | DEBIAN IS SO BROKED |
| 14:16.47 | arghx | WebDawg_: there are two different 4306 chips. one is supported by legacy, the otehr by b43 |
| 14:16.48 | batouzo | WebDawg_: wut? |
| 14:16.56 | themill | bso: enough, thanks. |
| 14:17.35 | WebDawg_ | arghx: batouzo My chip needs the legacy driver. Debian even tries to load that driver. It will not install legacy. I know it is a rev2. |
| 14:17.40 | batouzo | ghoulsblade: ask ext3 mailing list first to be sure, imo |
| 14:17.41 | themill | bso: what makes you say sabnzbdplus needs python2.7 anyway? the debian packages use python2.6. |
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| 14:18.01 | batouzo | WebDawg_: possible, there are bugs... report this bug |
| 14:18.02 | themill | (and their developers claim that it works with 2.5 as well) |
| 14:18.11 | arghx | !tell WebDawg_ about errors |
| 14:18.17 | WebDawg_ | I can report it but how do I force it to install. |
| 14:18.34 | dimaursu16 | so...should I try to flash it trough flashrom? or there is another alternative? |
| 14:18.43 | ghoulsblade | thanks, will do =) |
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| 14:19.49 | plorky | hmm i dont have phpize on debian? |
| 14:20.04 | themill | dpkg: tell plorky about installit |
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| 14:20.28 | themill | plorky: although you'll actually find a good number of pecl things already packaged. Make sure you search through apt first. |
| 14:20.29 | batouzo | WebDawg_: you want what to force-install what? |
| 14:20.31 | project2501a | hey guys, can you help me with my makefile, please: http://pastebin.com/rRG0sruP i get an error Makefile:2: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 14:20.49 | batouzo | WebDawg_: you can install a working system form CD/DVD without netowrking at all, and then work out the provlem |
| 14:20.51 | batouzo | *rpboelm |
| 14:20.51 | themill | project2501a: tab |
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| 14:21.10 | project2501a | themill: where? |
| 14:21.19 | LV-426 | dimaursu16, flashrom seems to some support for live CD : http://flashrom.org/Flashrom/Live_CD |
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| 14:21.36 | plorky | themill: ok its not in apt...it is supposed to come with php |
| 14:21.54 | themill | plorky: what are you looking for? |
| 14:21.58 | plorky | phpize |
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| 14:22.04 | themill | project2501a: at the start of line 2 (and at the start of all subsequent lines -- I can't tell if they're there or not). Also, lines 3-6 need \ at the end of them. |
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| 14:22.14 | project2501a | ok! |
| 14:22.30 | themill | dpkg: tell plorky about apt-file |
| 14:22.44 | themill | plorky: it's there... you need to search for it. But why do you want phpize? |
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| 14:23.05 | plorky | hmm it doesnt come up for install or search i think its in php5-dev |
| 14:23.26 | themill | don't "think", "know". apt-file will tell you that. |
| 14:23.37 | plorky | its in php5-dev |
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| 14:24.11 | WebDawg_ | How do I edit the b43 legacy script? |
| 14:24.27 | themill | plorky: but you haven't covered why you're wanting phpize anyway... as I said, there's often an easier way |
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| 14:26.33 | WebDawg_ | I mean. |
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| 14:26.47 | WebDawg_ | What happens if I need the legacy and regular driver? |
| 14:26.49 | bso | themill: enough what? |
| 14:27.04 | themill | bso: random noise with little signal. |
| 14:27.14 | bso | eat a cock? |
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| 14:27.23 | bso | you twat |
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| 14:27.35 | bso | i'll save you the work |
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| 14:30.25 | project2501a | woot. i almost has makefile |
| 14:30.35 | project2501a | i love it when i exp++ |
| 14:30.59 | kthakore | project2501a: congrats |
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| 14:31.41 | project2501a | kthakore: hehe, it feels good not to feel like a fuckup, man :) |
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| 14:32.21 | project2501a | maybe all these years of reading, i learned something |
| 14:32.27 | project2501a | other than just collecting o'reilly books. |
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| 14:33.12 | kthakore | project2501a: :) |
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| 14:33.55 | project2501a | not bragging or anything
. i am just enjoying the fact that at 36, i am finally seeing results of reading a shitload of books for the past 15 years. |
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| 14:35.09 | ghoulsblade | batouzo, which ext3 mailinglist should i write to, found one for redhat but not debian, or is that the right one ? not sure where to look : http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ext3-users |
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| 14:35.26 | systemclient | how do I get the SSID of the wifi I am currently connected to? |
| 14:35.59 | batouzo | ghoulsblade: I dont know but I would try both... if there is very important data, I would dump partition image first. or tried to read it read-only mode and copy data. from livecd |
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| 14:36.02 | themill | systemclient: iwconfig |
| 14:36.42 | ghoulsblade | readonly access in ext2 works |
| 14:36.43 | batouzo | project2501a: congrats ;) so what wrked? |
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| 14:37.13 | project2501a | batouzo: local makefile, for some in-house software. added a "check" target |
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| 14:37.20 | ghoulsblade | ok, thanks =) |
| 14:37.23 | BLZbubba | greetings all. i am having a weird issue on squeeze with X. clicking tabs in pidgin causes Xorg to use 100% cpu for a few seconds before switching. firefox tabs are slow as well. any idea how to fix this? |
| 14:37.36 | systemclient | themill: thx! |
| 14:37.46 | BLZbubba | from what i've read on google, switching to older versions of X is the only way to fix it |
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| 14:41.05 | fesafder | hello how do i find what conf file dhcpd is using ? |
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| 14:42.00 | fesafder | i found /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf ? |
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| 14:43.15 | giminik | hi! I've just dist-upgraded to squeeze. But I think I've broken something: when I do a fdisk -l nothing is displayed. Hard drives that I can see in /proc/partitions are not visibles in the /dev directory. In fact, there is no one block device in /dev. Any idea please? |
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| 14:44.53 | mosno | wonders why /etc/sudoers isn't a conffile in stable |
| 14:45.10 | mosno | but i see that this has been fixed for wheezy, which is nice |
| 14:45.16 | BLZbubba | giminik: what kind of hard drives are they and what type of controller? |
| 14:45.57 | zyg | giminik: I had the similar issue. If you have a custom kernel check CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED is off. I cant remember much else what fixed the issue. |
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| 14:46.39 | giminik | BLZbubba: it's a sda file, how can I know what is the hd and the controler? it is a dedicated server. |
| 14:47.01 | ershad | I've a few .deb packages of a software in a directory. Could you please tell me how to install them? Many of them are deps. dpkg -i *.deb fails |
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| 14:47.21 | giminik | zyg: it's a kernel which was on the debian ftp |
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| 14:50.34 | zyg | giminik: blame me for not having a proper sysadmin-diary. Did your udev got upgraded too? I'm at udev 164-3 |
| 14:50.37 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am using acer aspire one 722.. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/AspireOne_722 .. I am following that wiki, I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but I still can't set my resolution. |
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| 14:51.36 | giminik | zyg: I have the 164 too |
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| 14:52.25 | giminik | the system is started, I don't understand why device doesn't appear |
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| 14:52.43 | giminik | I've tried a apt-get check, but no problem |
| 14:53.10 | giminik | and of course, if I try a /sbin/lilo, Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") |
| 14:53.50 | giminik | but there isn't raid on the system. why lilo says about raid? |
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| 14:54.51 | zyg | giminik: aren't you on grub? and if so did a post grub update |
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| 14:55.49 | giminik | zyg: it is actually a lilo. do you think it's a problem related to lilo ? |
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| 14:57.38 | Bushmills | giminik: udev started? |
| 14:57.41 | zyg | giminik: I have no idea. I'm really guessing at this point. Is udev started (ps -aef | grep udev)? Is it mounted (df -k | grep udev) ? |
| 14:58.17 | dimaursu16 | I erased by mistake some stuff from my hdd, with this command....can I restore my partitions somehow? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 |
| 14:58.46 | dimaursu16 | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 |
| 14:58.46 | dimaursu16 | 1+0 records in |
| 14:58.46 | dimaursu16 | 1+0 records out |
| 14:58.46 | dimaursu16 | 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.00103756 s, 493 kB/s |
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| 14:59.00 | giminik | zyg: there is 2 udevd instances. and the df command show udev is mounted and uses 1% |
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| 15:02.22 | zyg | giminik: what is your running kernel version? |
| 15:02.27 | babilen | dimaursu16: You overwrote your MBR with zeroes -- You should be able to revive it by installing grub to it again. (update-grub2 ; grub-install /dev/sda) |
| 15:02.57 | dimaursu16 | but...in Gparted shows me no partitions |
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| 15:03.04 | Bushmills | there's also the partition table damaged |
| 15:03.10 | dimaursu16 | omg... |
| 15:03.16 | dimaursu16 | can I recover it? |
| 15:03.18 | babilen | dimaursu16: Ah, right your partition table is gone as well. (part of the MBR) |
| 15:03.20 | Bushmills | you may have a copy in /boot, or you could recover them with gpart |
| 15:03.40 | dimaursu16 | how? |
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| 15:03.48 | dimaursu16 | please save my life |
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| 15:04.05 | giminik | zyg: 2.6.28.4-xxxx-std-ipv4-32 |
| 15:04.07 | Bushmills | if /boot resides on the same disk, there's no easy access, of course. |
| 15:04.53 | Bushmills | so you might have to resort to scanning the disk, using gpart |
| 15:05.04 | dimaursu16 | well...I can access my folders, and they are all on the same disk. /boot was on the first partition |
| 15:05.07 | dimaursu16 | sda1 |
| 15:05.07 | Bushmills | unless somebody else has a better idea |
| 15:05.11 | babilen | dimaursu16: IIRC testdisk would do it |
| 15:05.17 | babilen | ,info testdisk |
| 15:05.18 | judd | Package testdisk (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. Version: 6.11-1+b1; Size: 1569.4k; Installed: 4612k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/testdisk |
| 15:05.44 | zyg | giminik: If you can, could you upgrade it? aptitude search linux-image |
| 15:06.28 | Bushmills | you said that you're using lilo - which saves copy of previous partition boot record and partition table |
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| 15:07.39 | giminik | zyg: ok i try this. |
| 15:07.54 | zyg | giminik: to me it sound like you are still on the lenny kernel, I dont know what was the latest lenny kernel. Though I'm not sure if running lilo+squeeze will get you in trouble doing a upgrade. |
| 15:08.07 | babilen | dimaursu16: Boot a live cd (e.g. debian-live, gparted or GRML) and run testdisk on /dev/sda ... (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step) -- GPart is another option (http://www.brzitwa.de/mb/gpart/) -- I can't tell you which is better though. |
| 15:09.19 | dimaursu16 | but..I just run it from my system |
| 15:09.26 | dimaursu16 | isn't that ok? |
| 15:09.46 | babilen | Should be OK |
| 15:09.51 | dimaursu16 | it already found some partitions |
| 15:09.53 | Bushmills | what does fdisk -l shiw? |
| 15:09.56 | Bushmills | show, even |
| 15:10.06 | babilen | â http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:10.08 | giminik | zyg: you're right, the number hasn't changed. this morning I've upgraded from etch to lenny. but when I've done the second upgrade, the kernel was the same. |
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| 15:10.41 | project2501a | hey guys, i got one more issue with my makefile: http://pastebin.com/DxmrHkss |
| 15:10.47 | project2501a | can i get a clue, please? |
| 15:11.04 | dimaursu16 | http://paste.debian.net/137378/ |
| 15:11.16 | zyg | giminik: etch.. that is soo cool. I still have etch on a box. And lenny on a server, refuse to upgrade when it works and you have 600+ uptime |
| 15:11.17 | dimaursu16 | oh, hell, I'm all shaking.... |
| 15:11.30 | dimaursu16 | what if I loose all my data? |
| 15:11.45 | Kromgol | I have LVM. If i wipe ALL of my root and then reinstall, will LVM detect my physical volumes and recreate the corresponding logical volumes and volumegroups with all my data? If i choose not to format the LVM partitions |
| 15:11.53 | Kromgol | Using vgscan |
| 15:11.59 | babilen | dimaursu16: Relax! Everything is fine so far. Please show us the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" after you've recovered the partition table. |
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| 15:12.01 | giminik | zyg: yes that's true, but i need to install fresh packages. |
| 15:12.15 | dimaursu16 | but...I didn't recovered anything |
| 15:12.22 | dimaursu16 | I don't know how to do it |
| 15:12.39 | Bushmills | if you lose all your data, then there's two possiblities: the data was valuable, in which case you have a backup. or you don't have a backup, which means the data wasn't important. either way you're fine. |
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| 15:12.59 | zyg | giminik: I've changed sources.list to bring in newer stuff, but that wont work always ofcourse. |
| 15:13.08 | babilen | Bushmills: Do you have an idea about the repsective merits of testdisk and gpart? |
| 15:13.27 | Bushmills | babilen: i know and used just gpart, therefore i can't compare |
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| 15:13.53 | babilen | dimaursu16: I would recommend to use gpart in that case ;) |
| 15:14.25 | Bushmills | package descriptions seems to indicate that either is suited for the job |
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| 15:14.53 | giminik | zyg: I didn't know it was possible without dist-upgrading |
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| 15:15.19 | dimaursu16 | btw...I did have an extende partition, and here I don't see it |
| 15:15.37 | zyg | giminik: I actually got a box rooted by someone, and the first thing the bastard did was to upgrade from etch to lenny. |
| 15:16.25 | colo-work | lol |
| 15:16.59 | giminik | :D |
| 15:17.03 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: an extended partition is just a container for logical partitions, as a workaround of the partition table only able to hold four partitions |
| 15:17.32 | Kromgol | I have LVM. If i wipe ALL of my root and then reinstall, will LVM detect my physical volumes and recreate the corresponding logical volumes and volumegroups with all my data? If i choose not to format the LVM partitions |
| 15:17.36 | Kromgol | Using vgscan |
| 15:17.55 | Orphis | Hey, I'd like to install a new KVM version with two patches in my Squeeze server. What's the least worse way to do it ? |
| 15:17.55 | dimaursu16 | I do know that ....but in test disk i dont see that thing, so I wont be able to create more than 4 partitions |
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| 15:18.16 | dimaursu16 | which means 3 lost partitions |
| 15:18.20 | Bushmills | first two or three partitions were probably primary partitions, and 3 or 4 to last were logical partitions in the extended partition |
| 15:18.27 | dimaursu16 | (one is empty, so I dont care) |
| 15:18.27 | mosno | Kromgol: define "wipe ALL of my root" |
| 15:18.43 | Kromgol | mosno: / |
| 15:18.47 | babilen | dimaursu16: Show us the output of "gpart /dev/sda" please |
| 15:18.52 | dimaursu16 | ok |
| 15:18.54 | Kromgol | mosno: rm / |
| 15:18.55 | Kromgol | * |
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| 15:18.58 | Kromgol | There |
| 15:19.01 | Kromgol | Or no |
| 15:19.04 | Kromgol | rm -R /* |
| 15:19.05 | Kromgol | There! |
| 15:19.06 | Kromgol | :D |
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| 15:19.15 | Kromgol | Except /home which i will backup. |
| 15:19.53 | stevieman | is there a way to stop cron from sending a message everytime it successfully runs? My mailbox is filling with cron messages. |
| 15:20.14 | Bushmills | stevieman: MAILTO= |
| 15:20.24 | colo-work | stevieman, alterantively, make sure your cronjobs don't produce output |
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| 15:21.14 | Bushmills | yes, that's better. i missed the "successfully " |
| 15:21.31 | ksk | stevieman: look at the bash script "cronic.sh" (or sth like this) - it only mails cron output it the exitcode is != 0 |
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| 15:21.38 | mosno | Kromgol: iirc, debian-installer will see your LVs, and you can assign mountpoints as you wish |
| 15:21.58 | mosno | Kromgol: i generally do an expert install from a netinst with manual partitioning |
| 15:22.05 | Kromgol | mosno: As all the information about volume groups, LV's is stored in the header of the LVM partition? |
| 15:22.09 | oliver117 | hi, problem my pc sometimes boots at night, I checked RTC settings, it is tuned to turn on the pc sometime in 2012, but as the pc turns on at nights randomly I think that some piece of software changes the alarm every now and then |
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| 15:22.46 | oliver117 | any idea how to a) switch of alarm_IRQ/rtcwake b) identify the bad guy? |
| 15:22.49 | dTal | oliver117: or the computer clock |
| 15:22.58 | dTal | or you have wake-on-lan |
| 15:23.09 | oliver117 | I have no bios settings to turn off RTCwake |
| 15:23.16 | oliver117 | no power-lan is disabled |
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| 15:23.28 | oliver117 | no power on after powerless setting as it is a notebook |
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| 15:24.38 | waschtl | with several queries already running in this channel, I've got another question on a very different topic: does anyone know of a log-analysis based intrusion prevention system that can handle IPv6 addresses? We've been using fail2ban successfully for serveral years, but it doesn't support IPv6 yet. |
| 15:24.41 | oliver117 | kernel.log : "kernel: [ 1.338487] rtc_cmos 00:03: RTC can wake from S4" |
| 15:25.09 | dimaursu16 | http://paste.debian.net/137384/ |
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| 15:25.35 | dimaursu16 | then it begin to eat all my ram |
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| 15:25.59 | mosno | Kromgol: probably in the volume group |
| 15:26.01 | babilen | dimaursu16: Looks OK ... Or are you missing some partitions? It eats all your memory and does not terminate? |
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| 15:26.14 | dimaursu16 | aha |
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| 15:26.21 | PerfDave | waschtl: iptables mod_limit? |
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| 15:26.53 | giminik | zyg: you was right, upgrading the kernel did it :) a big thank you. |
| 15:27.01 | dimaursu16 | but those partition left have a small price...I can make them back easily ..they were empty... |
| 15:27.28 | dimaursu16 | but...the last 3 partition were formatted in ext4 |
| 15:28.33 | waschtl | PerfDave, that would allow me to configure protection against bursts, what fail2ban does is analyze logs and then apply iptables log rules to ban specific IP addresses for a specified period of time |
| 15:29.09 | babilen | dimaursu16: Your fstab entries will not be affected |
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| 15:29.33 | waschtl | PerfDave, I'm trying to find out if I can find a replacement with the same functionality that is up to IPv6 |
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| 15:29.46 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am using acer aspire one 722.. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/AspireOne_722 .. I am following that wiki, I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but I still can't set my resolution. |
| 15:29.51 | dimaursu16 | so how to recover with gpart? |
| 15:30.20 | stevieman | colo-work: So just to make sure I put this at the end of each line &> /dev/null |
| 15:30.51 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: -W |
| 15:31.28 | Bushmills | either to file, or directly to device. given that your partition table has been zeroes already, writing directly to device should be fine |
| 15:31.35 | Bushmills | zeroed, even |
| 15:31.58 | oliver117 | any known program that sets rtcwake? anacron, cron - something like that? |
| 15:32.13 | dimaursu16 | but it guessed wrong my filesistem fro several partition... |
| 15:32.16 | oliver117 | I grepped /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /etc, for rtcwake, no luck |
| 15:32.22 | dimaursu16 | how ot correct that? |
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| 15:32.47 | babilen | dimaursu16: The procedure is also explained on the gpart link I gave you earlier, but "gpart -W /dev/sda /dev/sda" is essentially what you want. Do that and show us the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" afterwards. |
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| 15:33.02 | Bushmills | file system isn't relevant for partition table. |
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| 15:33.27 | babilen | dimaursu16: The filesystem is not saved in the partition table |
| 15:33.30 | Bushmills | same partition type can host ext2, ext3 or ext4 file systems without a difference |
| 15:33.44 | dimaursu16 | aaa |
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| 15:34.44 | Bushmills | there's also an -i option, giving interaction during recovery |
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| 15:35.42 | oliver117 | rtcwake, anyone? |
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| 15:36.06 | dimaursu16 | I guess it eaten all my ram again...the system is pretty slow responding... |
| 15:36.17 | babilen | hmmpf |
| 15:36.18 | dimaursu16 | but I'm still waiting... |
| 15:36.43 | Bushmills | disk scanning slows down |
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| 15:37.40 | Bushmills | anyway, /me gone a bit. balilen will save your day. maybe. |
| 15:38.07 | dimaursu16 | hope so.. |
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| 15:38.09 | babilen | hehe |
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| 15:39.01 | dimaursu16 | if I cancel the process now, I will corrupt my mbr? |
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| 15:39.20 | dimaursu16 | just to make it quicker... |
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| 15:40.08 | babilen | dimaursu16: Your MBR is already as corrupted as it could be, but why would you want to corrupt it even further for speed reasons? Is gpart still running? |
| 15:40.17 | ironhalik | could someone point me, where do I set in debian, the users webspace? eg. domain.tld/~user is in /home/user/public_html |
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| 15:41.22 | wckd | ironhalik: a2enmod userdir && /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:41.30 | ironhalik | cool, thanks |
| 15:41.43 | ironhalik | any confs for it? to choose the dir? |
| 15:41.46 | babilen | ironhalik: That functionaly is provided by the userdir module (a2enmod userdir) |
| 15:41.55 | dimaursu16 | yes... |
| 15:41.58 | ironhalik | its in the userdir.conf? |
| 15:42.05 | babilen | presumably |
| 15:42.10 | wckd | dunno, never touched it |
| 15:42.12 | ironhalik | kk ill look around, thanks |
| 15:42.22 | ironhalik | so whats the default? |
| 15:42.31 | wckd | ~/public_html |
| 15:42.36 | ironhalik | ok, thanks |
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| 15:51.16 | pjz | what starts openssh-server these days? |
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| 15:51.31 | oliver117 | /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 15:51.35 | nsadmin | a computer |
| 15:51.47 | pjz | /etc/init.d/ssh does not exist on my machine |
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| 15:52.14 | pjz | ..which is running squeeze |
| 15:52.24 | petemc | do you have ssh installed? |
| 15:52.25 | nsadmin | and can you ssh in? |
| 15:52.27 | oliver117 | grep -r /etc ssh ? |
| 15:52.31 | oliver117 | other way round |
| 15:52.36 | pjz | yes, I can ssh in, and it's installed |
| 15:52.52 | IRConan | I have an /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 15:53.08 | pjz | hmmm |
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| 15:53.46 | nsadmin | so do I |
| 15:53.49 | pjz | debian uses pure sysvinit still? It hasn't switched to upstart or some other wackiness? |
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| 15:54.18 | nsadmin | no, I don't think it does |
| 15:55.00 | nsadmin | I think now it's something like make |
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| 15:56.02 | pjz | well, bizarre. dpkg --listfiles openssh-server shows an /etc/init.d/ssh but that file isn't there. |
| 15:56.30 | nsadmin | perhaps you rmed it? |
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| 15:57.36 | pjz | it should come back if I do an apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server, though, right ? |
| 15:58.15 | nsadmin | it might, but I think /e/i/ssh is a conffile |
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| 15:58.22 | themill | dpkg: tell pjz about confmiss |
| 15:59.05 | Jasonn | ohbtw, I fixed the problem I was having yesterday |
| 15:59.06 | Jasonn | \o/ |
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| 16:04.06 | ironhalik | anyone got any idea why my browser downloads gzip instead of php from by debian-hosted site? |
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| 16:08.48 | nsadmin | ironhalik not even sure what you mean yet |
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| 16:11.41 | babilen | ironhalik: php5 module might not be enabled or installed (libapache2-mod-php5). It might also be due to your browser cache. Make sure you have the module installed and that mod_php is enabled (mods-enabled -- "a2enmod php" -- Reading /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz is certainly also a good idea. |
| 16:12.25 | babilen | ironhalik: Are you hosting the php script in a userdir? |
| 16:13.37 | babilen | dimaursu16: Fixed it? |
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| 16:14.39 | nsadmin | what are these: 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"' and 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""' in /etc/default/grub? |
| 16:14.58 | arvind_khadri | 'Hi, I am using acer aspire one 722.. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/AspireOne_722 .. I am following that wiki, I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but I still can't set my resolution.' |
| 16:15.24 | nsadmin | what if I want all linux kernel command lines to include irqpoll? |
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| 16:16.53 | babilen | nsadmin: Read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" -- _DEFAULT will also use the given arguments for recovery entries |
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| 16:17.41 | nsadmin | wonder if I have info or grub.info... thanks |
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| 16:18.14 | babilen | nsadmin: I would recommend to add whatever option you want to add to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 16:18.32 | babilen | nsadmin: argh, not GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT but GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX :) |
| 16:19.10 | nsadmin | that's what I figured afgter you said that (wait, not _DEFAULT?) |
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| 16:19.57 | nsadmin | are you saying don't have irqpoll in recovery mode boots? |
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| 16:21.13 | nsadmin | wait hold that thought... brb |
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| 16:21.55 | Hodapp | Am I reading the package search properly that no version of the s390 port has libstdc++.so.5 in it? |
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| 16:24.01 | babilen | Hodapp: Looks like it |
| 16:24.31 | nsadmin | can't IBM run c++? |
| 16:24.49 | babilen | ,file libstdc++.so --arch s390 |
| 16:24.53 | judd | Search for libstdc++.so in squeeze/s390: libstdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so; lsb-build-base3: usr/lib/lsb3/libstdc++.so; lib64stdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/libstdc++.so; libstdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so; lib64stdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/libstdc++.so; libstdc++6-4.3-dev: usr/lib/gcc/s390-linux-gnu/4.3/libstdc++.so; libstdc++6-4.4-dev: usr/lib/gcc/s390 |
| 16:24.55 | judd | -linux-gnu/4.4/libstdc++.so; g++-4.4-multilib: usr/lib/gcc/s390-linux-gnu/4.4/64/libstdc++.so; g++-4.3-multilib: usr/lib/gcc/s390-linux-gnu/4.3/64/libstdc++.so |
| 16:25.18 | babilen | ,file libstdc++.so.6 --arch s390 |
| 16:25.23 | judd | Search for libstdc++.so.6 in squeeze/s390: lib64stdc++6: usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6; libstdc++6: usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6; libstdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so.6; lib64stdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/libstdc++.so.6; libstdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so.6; lib64stdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 16:29.45 | alesan | hi, which package do I need to install to have updatedb and locate? |
| 16:29.51 | Hodapp | Well, damn. After IBM's Installation Manager was failing miserably to run on the PowerPC port of Debian (and likewise on Fedora) I was trying out installing it on s390 Debian on Hercules |
| 16:30.02 | Hodapp | but it appears this is in vain too since it requires libstc++.so.5 which Debian lacks |
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| 16:30.55 | notslad_ | Hodapp: "apt-get install locate" |
| 16:31.02 | Hodapp | notslad_: hrm? |
| 16:31.16 | notslad_ | Hodapp: sry.. I meant alesan :^) |
| 16:31.19 | mosno | why does squeeze's /etc/sudoers have a "Defaults env_reset" line when env_reset boolean is true by default? am i missing something? |
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| 16:32.32 | Hodapp | blargh. I guess I could try another distro on s390, or try to find a way to get libstdc++.so.5 on here, or just give up because all this IBM software has just been a total heap. |
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| 16:33.11 | alesan | thanks |
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| 16:33.11 | Hodapp | anyone have opinions one way or another? |
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| 16:33.35 | abrotman | Hodapp: symlink ? |
| 16:33.46 | Hodapp | abrotman: would that even work? |
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| 16:34.38 | nsadmin | Hodapp you could try to find a debianized source of the version of libstdc++ you want and then build that package using the dist's compiler |
| 16:34.45 | Hodapp | hmmm |
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| 16:34.57 | Default1 | hello all |
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| 16:35.30 | nsadmin | do you even want the normal version (6) on your machine? |
| 16:35.45 | abrotman | Hodapp: i've used it for lesser libraries |
| 16:36.05 | Hodapp | nsadmin: I don't know if I need it. I just need to get this horrid IBM installer to run. |
| 16:36.21 | Hodapp | "Unsupported hardware [9672]" when I symlink 6 to 5 |
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| 16:37.51 | confusid_ | when using fdisk. How can I creat 2 partitions to the size that I want? |
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| 16:37.59 | SmartIRC | test message |
| 16:37.59 | SmartIRC | thinks this is cool |
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| 16:38.16 | themill | SmartIRC: perhaps you wanted #test instead |
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| 16:39.16 | nsadmin | hmm. if an irc client can send test messages but not receive messages... not as smart... |
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| 16:40.04 | SmartIRC | test message |
| 16:40.04 | SmartIRC | thinks this is cool |
| 16:40.09 | nsadmin | adds an s to troller and sticks a baby in there |
| 16:40.17 | themill | SmartIRC: please stop that. |
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| 16:40.26 | sssddd | hi |
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| 16:43.47 | Porter_N500 | When is 9.o due out?2 |
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| 16:44.40 | babilen | Porter_N500: What? |
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| 16:48.12 | dimaursu16 | babilen: so it just finished ..I have a sort of menu for choosing the partition filesystem |
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| 16:48.28 | dimaursu16 | and for ext2 I have the code 131 |
| 16:48.33 | babilen | dimaursu16: mmmh |
| 16:48.39 | dimaursu16 | how to find the code for ext4? |
| 16:48.53 | dimaursu16 | I searched the google, but nothing so far |
| 16:49.11 | babilen | I doubt that it makes any difference |
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| 16:50.25 | dimaursu16 | really? so should I leave it at it is? |
| 16:50.38 | nsadmin | Porter_N500: is something due? |
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| 16:52.04 | Porter_N500 | no |
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| 16:52.30 | babilen | Porter_N500: I guess that we really don't understand your question in that case. |
| 16:52.39 | babilen | dimaursu16: I'd think so |
| 16:52.47 | abrotman | you could just ignore him :) |
| 16:52.57 | babilen | ooooh :( |
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| 16:53.57 | Bushmills | hex 83 would be decimal 131, so 131 sounds right |
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| 16:54.12 | Bushmills | odd that partition type is shown as decimal |
| 16:54.31 | dimaursu16 | I gues that is for ease of use |
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| 16:54.53 | Bushmills | your swap is shown as 130? |
| 16:55.10 | Pupskucheen | I have a problem with updating linux-base |
| 16:55.34 | abrotman | in what version of Debian ? |
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| 16:56.51 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: your hurd partition may be 99, your extended 5 or 15 |
| 16:57.09 | Pupskucheen | umm |
| 16:57.27 | Pupskucheen | abrotman: where to look after that? |
| 16:57.30 | Pupskucheen | :S |
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| 16:57.47 | Pupskucheen | I'm a noob in debian^^ |
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| 16:58.43 | karlpinc | Pupskucheen: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:59.48 | Pupskucheen | 6.0.3 |
| 16:59.48 | abrotman | or uname -r |
| 17:00.19 | Pupskucheen | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 17:02.04 | Pupskucheen | ? |
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| 17:02.19 | babilen | Pupskucheen: How did you upgrade linux-base? Between which versions? What is the actual problem? Please provide your commands + output on http://paste.debian.net + "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy linux-base" |
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| 17:05.15 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:05.18 | Pupskucheen | I klicked on update ^.^ |
| 17:05.42 | Pupskucheen | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6aab77c9/ |
| 17:05.46 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Hehe, ok :) -- Please run "apt-get upgrade" and show us the output (+ those other commands) |
| 17:06.36 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Ah, in that case run "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 17:08.57 | negge | just noticed that GNOME 3 has made it into unstable. Is there a package available for the old 2.30/2.32? |
| 17:09.12 | babilen | negge: You might want gnome-session-fallback |
| 17:09.24 | negge | babilen: I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 17:10.13 | Pupskucheen | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d6ec5f35 |
| 17:10.53 | nsadmin | negge, you're using sid for something? |
| 17:11.30 | nsadmin | up to you... it's your machine... and, know that sid is not recommended for any real work |
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| 17:12.29 | negge | nsadmin: yes I am |
| 17:12.35 | kthakore | how do I make a liveusb out of http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/usb-hdd/ |
| 17:12.49 | negge | babilen: using fallback mode seems to be the only way to not get the sadface on login |
| 17:13.07 | Pupskucheen | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d6ec5f35 |
| 17:13.13 | Bushmills | sid may be recommended for *some* real work - development of those programs in sid :) |
| 17:13.19 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list as well? You have duplicate mirrors in there (ftp.de and ftp.us) which is superfluous, but not the problem here. |
| 17:13.41 | nsadmin | Bushmills, good pt |
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| 17:14.10 | nsadmin | and especially to get them into testing |
| 17:14.13 | babilen | negge: If I were content with a non-tiling window manager I would like Gnome3, but opinions differ. The fallback session allows you to use the classic interface though, but I am not sure how long that will be supported. |
| 17:14.22 | webdawg_ | I need some instructions on how to install iceweasel 7 in debian. Please help. THanks. |
| 17:14.23 | dimaursu16 | Bushmills: yes, swap is 130 |
| 17:14.41 | negge | babilen: it seems to use some weird theme |
| 17:14.48 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Please remove those superfluous entries in your sources.list and also show me the output of "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 17:15.02 | Pupskucheen | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/521adf8c |
| 17:15.04 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: then it's evident that those are just decimal representations of partition type. you'll have just two for linux, 130 and 131 |
| 17:15.15 | babilen | negge: Gnome3 uses a new default theme called "Adwaita" |
| 17:15.57 | negge | I can't even find the place where you change the themes anymore |
| 17:15.57 | Bushmills | no matter what file system under linux, the non-swap will all be 131 |
| 17:16.04 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Are you in the US of A or in Germany? |
| 17:16.08 | boudiccas | webdawg_; sudo apt-get install iceweasel |
| 17:16.10 | Pupskucheen | Germany |
| 17:16.24 | Pupskucheen | is my english that good? :D |
| 17:16.36 | webdawg_ | boudiccas: iceweasel SEVEN |
| 17:17.01 | themill | dpkg: tell webdawg_ about mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:17.07 | dimaursu16 | ok...the I will go with 131 |
| 17:17.22 | Pupskucheen | babilen: Germany, what are the superfluous entries? :S |
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| 17:17.37 | Pupskucheen | the .us stuff? |
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| 17:18.22 | wimm | webdawg - have a look here http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 17:19.15 | webdawg_ | wimm: I was their but I have no Idea what release to select. |
| 17:19.34 | webdawg_ | beta auroa? |
| 17:19.39 | babilen | Pupskucheen: That is, use something like http://paste.debian.net/137414/ and run "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade" and show me the output. (superfluous == ueberfluessig) |
| 17:19.58 | Pupskucheen | I already translated it ;D |
| 17:20.07 | webdawg_ | any idea wimm ? |
| 17:20.08 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Splendid :) |
| 17:20.22 | webdawg_ | I was googling and could not find much. |
| 17:20.32 | webdawg_ | Some release from indonesia and a screenshot heh. |
| 17:20.46 | arvind_khadri | 'Hi, I am using acer aspire one 722.. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/AspireOne_722 .. I am following that wiki, I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, but I still can't set my resolution.' |
| 17:20.48 | nsadmin | webdawg_, you must have missed it... an idea has been offered already |
| 17:20.50 | babilen | webdawg_: The instructions on http://mozilla.debian.net are all you need (which was mentioned by wimm) |
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| 17:21.35 | babilen | webdawg_: And you typically want the "release" release ;) |
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| 17:21.46 | wimm | webdawg - You just need 'release'. |
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| 17:22.07 | webdawg_ | wimm: Thanks. |
| 17:22.28 | webdawg_ | release is synced with ff? |
| 17:22.29 | jhutchins_lt | webdawg_: Yes, release is what you want. Don't pay too much attention to Mozilla's version numbers, they're playing games. |
| 17:22.37 | nsadmin | so release all your inhibitions and use release to release all your releasables |
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| 17:22.47 | webdawg_ | jhutchins_lt: playing games? Are the devs crazy? |
| 17:22.55 | webdawg_ | Do you know how many ff plugins this is going to break? |
| 17:23.05 | jhutchins_lt | Yup. |
| 17:23.18 | nsadmin | webdawg_, usually they are |
| 17:23.30 | jhutchins_lt | They have other priorities, like keeping up with the arbitrary version numbers of other browsers. |
| 17:23.30 | webdawg_ | So instead of doing what the project says they are doing they are modding the ff version number too? |
| 17:23.56 | nsadmin | in a whole ugly expanse full of ways... but that's not relevent to this :) |
| 17:24.38 | webdawg_ | backporting of security fixes to declared Debian stable version. |
| 17:24.49 | webdawg_ | no inclusion of trademarked Mozilla artwork (because of #1 above) |
| 17:24.54 | webdawg_ | Nothing about version numbers. |
| 17:25.06 | webdawg_ | http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 17:25.12 | webdawg_ | Imma have to complain to the dev list. |
| 17:25.17 | webdawg_ | THanks for all the help though. |
| 17:25.38 | webdawg_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/10/msg00665.html |
| 17:25.42 | nsadmin | complaints are less effective than patches :) |
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| 17:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | webdawg_: Remember, I'm talking about the Mozilla devs, nothing to do with Debian. |
| 17:26.10 | nsadmin | both crazy tho... as irrelevent as that might be :P |
| 17:26.28 | webdawg_ | What do you mean? The mozilla devs made the project. If they want to change the version number to 1000 its not our problem. If you make a clone of a project why the hell would you change more then you should? |
| 17:26.49 | Pupskucheen | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0f425be9 |
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| 17:27.08 | webdawg_ | Imma try it thought. |
| 17:27.11 | webdawg_ | though. |
| 17:27.30 | nsadmin | that would be a good thing :) best of luck |
| 17:27.55 | babilen | webdawg_: http://mozilla.github.com/process-releases/draft/development_specifics/ |
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| 17:29.16 | webdawg_ | phracking a |
| 17:29.19 | webdawg_ | Thanks babilen |
| 17:30.52 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Hmm, what does "aptitude -f install" give you? |
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| 17:31.19 | nsadmin | indigestion? |
| 17:31.29 | whatsdoom | join /ubuntu |
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| 17:32.36 | Pupskucheen | babilen: same, I'll paste it..wait |
| 17:33.03 | babilen | !localised errors |
| 17:33.03 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
| 17:33.19 | Bushmills | maybe /ubuntu #join ? |
| 17:33.25 | babilen | Pupskucheen: brb (coffee+fag) |
| 17:33.54 | Pupskucheen | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c0f2d93c |
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| 17:34.23 | whatsdoom | Bushmills: yeah I just typed to fast and embarassed myself |
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| 17:36.42 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Ok, that is somehow an inconsistent state .. Please try "aptitude reinstall linux-base linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" -- And please show us the output in English. |
| 17:37.01 | Pupskucheen | How to set it to english? |
| 17:37.11 | nsadmin | in general... |
| 17:37.17 | Pupskucheen | hm :D |
| 17:37.28 | nsadmin | LC_ALL=C command arg arg arg |
| 17:37.29 | babilen | Pupskucheen: See above â localised errors -- Please also run it as root. (su -) |
| 17:37.40 | babilen | brb |
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| 17:39.25 | Bushmills | Pupskucheen: try, as root, "touch /usr/bin/perf.dpkg-new" |
| 17:40.00 | nsadmin | more generally, you can set any env var on the command line if the setting is before the command |
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| 17:40.38 | n-iCe | hello, have anyone installed a new kernel in Debian? |
| 17:40.53 | devil | n-iCe: noone ever |
| 17:41.00 | nsadmin | and, more than one, like: V1="val1" V2="val2" cmd arg arg |
| 17:41.11 | dym | n-iCe: New Kernel? ARE YOU MAD? |
| 17:41.24 | arghx | n-iCe: tell us your real problem instead of wasting your time please |
| 17:41.53 | nsadmin | or are you sad? or glad? or are you a bad mad sad dad? |
| 17:41.59 | Bushmills | n-iCe: no, nobody. we're all entering new kernels with hex digits |
| 17:42.01 | n-iCe | I want a new kernel, because mi built-in laptop works in testing, but not in stable, would like to install http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.0.4.tar.bz2 |
| 17:42.23 | arghx | !tell n-iCe about bpo |
| 17:42.23 | n-iCe | tried to install it using the debian way I think it is called, but after 12 hours it did not create the .deb, so something must be wrong |
| 17:42.31 | arghx | get a kernel from backports instead |
| 17:42.47 | jelly-home | n-iCe: your built-in laptop... which component? |
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| 17:42.51 | arghx | what hardware does your laptop have that it needs a newer kernel? |
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| 17:42.52 | n-iCe | oh, is it easy? I read the bot, but did not say what to do |
| 17:42.54 | n-iCe | jelly-home: microphone |
| 17:42.57 | nsadmin | it's possible that the 3.0 kernel is going to need stuff... and a few days ago 3.0 was not in squeeze backports |
| 17:43.00 | arghx | yes it's easy |
| 17:43.12 | n-iCe | arghx: awesome! can you guide me?! |
| 17:43.14 | arghx | !tell n-iCe about bpo |
| 17:43.20 | nsadmin | , kernels |
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| 17:43.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 17:43.33 | jelly-home | !tell n-iCe about bpo kernel |
| 17:43.35 | n-iCe | Host 'debian', running Linux 2.6.32-5-686 - Cpu0: Intel 800 MHz Cpu1: Intel 800 MHz; Up: 6 min; Users: 4; Load: 0.07; Free: [Mem: 2341/2910 Mio] [Swap: 5685/5685 Mio] [/: 274898/294857 Mio]; Vpenis: 185.8 cm; |
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| 17:43.39 | n-iCe | that's mine |
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| 17:43.59 | nsadmin | 2.6.39-bpo.2-686 is latest squeeze kernel |
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| 17:44.09 | jelly-home | n-iCe: try 2.6.39 from backports.debian.org, see if it works acceptably well |
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| 17:44.29 | Pupskuchen | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f71d53d2/ |
| 17:45.16 | n-iCe | ok I added, deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
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| 17:45.19 | n-iCe | then update |
| 17:45.30 | Bushmills | Pupskucheis your /usr/bin on a network drive? |
| 17:45.37 | n-iCe | then I need to install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae is that all? |
| 17:45.48 | n-iCe | will 'pae' detect my two cpu's ? |
| 17:46.07 | Pupskuchen | Bushmills: touch: cannot touch `/usr/bin/perf.dpkg-new': Permission denied |
| 17:46.10 | nsadmin | oh, maybe amd64 instead? |
| 17:46.21 | Bushmills | Pupskuchen: that's your problem |
| 17:46.23 | arghx | n-iCe: do you use i386 or amd64? |
| 17:46.29 | n-iCe | I don't use amd64, I use intel, i386 |
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| 17:46.45 | arghx | then it's the right one. and yes, it will work fine for your dual core |
| 17:46.48 | themill | (that's in the output he pasted earlier) |
| 17:46.50 | jelly-home | n-iCe: that's the correct kernel then, yes |
| 17:46.51 | n-iCe | aaaaaaawsome |
| 17:46.53 | Pupskuchen | wut |
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| 17:47.05 | nsadmin | but are your cpus 64 bit? |
| 17:47.17 | n-iCe | Well, it had Win7 64 bits, yes |
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| 17:47.38 | Bushmills | either check the file system, or set no_root_squash if it's on nfs |
| 17:48.13 | nsadmin | n-iCe, potentially you could use amd64 kernel while yo're using i386 userland |
| 17:48.25 | n-iCe | amd64? But I use intel |
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| 17:48.37 | n-iCe | amd is not for amd cpu's? |
| 17:48.41 | arghx | n-iCe: how much RAM do you have? |
| 17:48.48 | arghx | amd64 is for both amd and intel 64bit cpus |
| 17:48.53 | n-iCe | 4GB |
| 17:49.03 | arghx | then keep using that PAE kernel |
| 17:49.16 | n-iCe | ok, no need to change to 64bits? |
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| 17:49.18 | n-iCe | amd? |
| 17:49.19 | nsadmin | amd64 was created by amd and intel decided to license it from amd |
| 17:49.25 | Bushmills | Pupskuchen: mount could help, look whether the fs under /usr/bin is ro |
| 17:49.33 | n-iCe | oh, but no need to change, right? |
| 17:49.34 | nsadmin | so... core 2 duos are amd64 for example |
| 17:49.38 | arghx | n-iCe: right, no need |
| 17:49.44 | n-iCe | I have core 2 duo |
| 17:49.58 | Pupskuchen | is ro? |
| 17:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | n-iCe: Intel uses AMD's design for the 64b x86 architecture. |
| 17:50.04 | nsadmin | so amd64 kernel is a choice you have |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | they are x86_64 compatible, which Debian uses the term 'amd64' for the distro port |
| 17:50.06 | Bushmills | read only |
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| 17:50.10 | abrotman | !why amd64 |
| 17:50.10 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 17:50.23 | themill | nsadmin: I don't know that I've heard many good reports about doing what you are suggesting. (apart from the fact that you've now managed to confuse n-iCe) |
| 17:50.29 | n-iCe | ok ok now I am confused |
| 17:50.31 | Bushmills | in contrast to rw |
| 17:50.41 | n-iCe | Host 'debian', running Linux 2.6.32-5-686 - Cpu0: Intel 800 MHz Cpu1: Intel 800 MHz; Up: 13 min; Users: 5; Load: 0.51; Free: [Mem: 2280/2910 Mio] [Swap: 5685/5685 Mio] [/: 274883/294857 Mio]; Vpenis: 185.8 cm; |
| 17:50.44 | themill | n-iCe: be unconfused, do nothing. |
| 17:50.55 | n-iCe | thats my machine, should I stay in i386 or move to amd64? |
| 17:51.07 | Pupskuchen | Bushmills: mount /usr/bin ? |
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| 17:51.10 | arghx | n-iCe: being unconfused is good, but you still should install that backport kernel |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | n-iCe: you're fine either way |
| 17:51.18 | themill | n-iCe: ignore nsadmin, install the 686-pae kernel |
| 17:51.19 | Bushmills | just mount |
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| 17:51.21 | arghx | n-iCe: stay with i386. it's fine |
| 17:51.24 | jelly-home | n-iCe: keep it this way if it works |
| 17:51.25 | n-iCe | ok! |
| 17:51.33 | nsadmin | themill, so if you "don't know", why add that to the support you're gathering to speak to me? |
| 17:51.37 | n-iCe | it works |
| 17:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | n-iCe: There really isn't a practical way to "upgrade" to 64b that I know of, and unless you're doing something that you know requires 64b there's no real reason to. |
| 17:51.47 | n-iCe | but why is it detecting just 2GB of ram instead 4GB!?!?! |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | even if you have 4GB of RAM, unless you're doing some heavy stuff with your workstation, you'll never notice |
| 17:51.52 | jelly-home | nsadmin: 64bit kernel on 32bit userspace is a PITA. |
| 17:52.15 | themill | nsadmin: ok, how about I put it another way... "I've never heard anything good about amd64 kernel with i386 user space". I have, however, heard lots of bad things about it. |
| 17:52.31 | jelly-home | nsadmin: hibernate doesn't work properly; virtualbox doesn't start; device-mapper tools complain |
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| 17:52.43 | nsadmin | hmm |
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| 17:52.50 | Pupskuchen | Bushmills: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c99a9948/ |
| 17:52.52 | nsadmin | I wasn't aware of those things |
| 17:52.55 | themill | nvidia and fglrx don't compile either, do they? or was that fixed now? |
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| 17:53.07 | abrotman | does anyone still use nvidia/fglrx? |
| 17:53.09 | themill | nsadmin: quite. Hence me pointing it out. |
| 17:53.09 | arghx | themill: you can do it. but with headaches |
| 17:53.10 | jelly-home | nsadmin: you didn't use it much did you |
| 17:53.35 | n-iCe | I just noticed that debian is detecting 2GB of the 4GB I have |
| 17:53.37 | jelly-home | themill: nvidia works, I've had 0 issues with nvidia and amd64 flavor on i386 |
| 17:53.54 | jelly-home | n-iCe: get that 686-pae thing, boot it, see what it says |
| 17:53.58 | arghx | themill: but other drivers, e.g. broadcom don't work as well |
| 17:54.00 | n-iCe | ok! |
| 17:54.06 | Bushmills | Pupskuchen: mounts look allright. figure out why you can't touch files - or just that file - in /usr/bin |
| 17:54.08 | themill | arghx: fun for all the family. |
| 17:54.09 | arghx | jelly-home: but the debian packages don't work so well, right? |
| 17:54.11 | jhutchins_lt | pae==bigmem? |
| 17:54.18 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:54.22 | themill | jhutchins_lt: yes. still. |
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| 17:54.39 | Pupskuchen | Bushmills: I have no clue how to figure that out |
| 17:54.48 | jelly-home | arghx: I've already enum'ed all the stuff I found not to work, the rest works |
| 17:54.58 | Bushmills | start by looking at the permissions of that file, if it exists |
| 17:54.58 | n-iCe | a weird window appeared after install the packacge |
| 17:55.09 | n-iCe | what is it? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/695/screenshotuim.png/ what should I type? |
| 17:55.25 | starenka_ | hi, sorry for noob question, but how do i connect to machine w/ not public ip? i have another debian machine w/ public ip i can use for tunnel, tho |
| 17:55.27 | n-iCe | I think q, quited it |
| 17:55.34 | themill | n-iCe: did you read it? |
| 17:55.46 | nsadmin | and, I'm using amd64 everything on this debian squeeze and hibernate isn't working (well pretty sure, would like to unravel that), I have a ubuntu install where lid-close does cause hibernate properly, dunno what the diff is yet, I was using 32b userland/amd64 and xen kernel on another box presently no powersupply, |
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| 17:55.54 | mparodi | Hello |
| 17:56.05 | Bushmills | maybe look at output of lsattr /usr/bin |
| 17:56.08 | n-iCe | themill: installed, let me reboot! |
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| 17:56.21 | gimpy0138 | starenka_: Do you have a NAT router already? |
| 17:56.22 | nsadmin | themill, thanks for clarifying |
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| 17:56.39 | jelly-home | n-iCe: it warns you about changes for a driver you definitely do NOT have in a netbook (or anything but a HP Proliant server) |
| 17:56.46 | Bushmills | determine whether you can create other files, or whether just that file refuses to be created/touched |
| 17:56.52 | starenka_ | starenka_: no, i can't access router and setup port forward and router has no public ip |
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| 17:57.06 | Pupskuchen | Bushmills: /usr/bin/perf exists |
| 17:57.11 | mparodi | I have installed debian stable but now I want to upgrade to testing. I changed my source.list replacing squeeze/stable for testing but now after apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I still have many conflicts. is there anything I should do? |
| 17:57.25 | gimpy0138 | starenka_: If not you may want to buy one since they are very cheap and easy to use. Otherwise you need to set up on machine as a router with NAT and share your connection through it. |
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| 17:57.46 | tharkun | What google term should i use to find information on how to do a per user chroot? I need to run an X program with different sets of configuration files at the same time. Any other aproach is much apreciated |
| 17:57.50 | nsadmin | jelly, as far as the combo being a PITA, what specifics do you have about that? |
| 17:57.55 | Bushmills | Pupskuchen: well, you tried with /usr/bin/perf.dpkg-new |
| 17:57.59 | jhutchins_lt | mparodi: Testing is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. It is not intended to be a working release, it is intended to be broken. |
| 17:58.07 | mparodi | for example, if I try to install libreoffice it says it has to remove many other packages, including kde-plasma-desktop, for example |
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| 17:58.19 | starenka_ | gimpy0138: i can't change infracture or smthng. can i somehow connect to other machine w/ public ip, which would forward the traffic to machine w/ no public ip? |
| 17:58.23 | abrotman | mparodi: it means you didn't finish your upgrade |
| 17:58.31 | jelly-home | nsadmin: combo? |
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| 17:58.33 | abrotman | mparodi: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 17:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | mparodi: I would suggest restoring your backup of stable. |
| 17:58.56 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:59.08 | abrotman | would suggest ignoring jhutchins_lt |
| 17:59.10 | mparodi | jhutchins_lt, I know, I have been using it (tsting) for months, it works pretty well in fact |
| 17:59.18 | mparodi | testing* |
| 17:59.19 | nsadmin | jelly, of amd64 kernel + i386 userland |
| 17:59.36 | abrotman | mparodi: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 17:59.53 | n-iCe | installed!! |
| 17:59.57 | n-iCe | let's see if the micro works now |
| 17:59.59 | nsadmin | the only reason I did it was because I was doing xen |
| 18:00.11 | jelly-home | nsadmin: um... I'm not sure I can get much more specific than [19:52] <jelly-home> nsadmin: hibernate doesn't work properly; virtualbox doesn't start; device-mapper tools complain |
| 18:00.11 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: So what next, we support frankendebian too? |
| 18:00.16 | Pupskuchen | Bushmills: If I try to create that file with root, it says I dont have permissions to do that |
| 18:00.32 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: did you read what he said? |
| 18:00.35 | mparodi | ok so I will do a full upgrade, you were right abrotman. it still has many things to install |
| 18:00.38 | Bushmills | i know, you said so already |
| 18:00.51 | ali-sneer | does Debian 7 move to Gnome 3 or it will continue Gnome 2.3 ? |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | it will use Gnome3 |
| 18:01.05 | n-iCe | WOOOOOOOOOOORKED!!! |
| 18:01.09 | n-iCe | Damn right yeah guys! |
| 18:01.22 | n-iCe | and detects 3.8 GB RAM now |
| 18:01.23 | n-iCe | awesome! |
| 18:01.37 | n-iCe | now one think, should I remove the old kernel? |
| 18:01.48 | Bushmills | !8ball should he? |
| 18:01.48 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
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| 18:01.57 | jelly-home | n-iCe: keep it until this one works well for a couple days/weeks |
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| 18:02.03 | n-iCe | jelly-home: sure! |
| 18:02.33 | mparodi | done, upgrading. thank you all! |
| 18:02.43 | nsadmin | if you have plenty of disk, you probably don't have to think about removing it |
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| 18:03.05 | Bushmills | unless you're worrying that your system may get confused |
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| 18:03.28 | n-iCe | yeah, lot of disk free |
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| 18:04.20 | Pupskuchen | D: |
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| 18:05.23 | n-iCe | damn, debian really rules |
| 18:05.34 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.53 | Pupskuchen | No idea? |
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| 18:06.35 | Bushmills | Pupskuchen: it's difficult to guide you on a per-command base through the process of determining why you can't write to that dir. it's like entering commands on an extremely laggy ssh connection |
| 18:06.47 | dimaursu16 | hi... |
| 18:07.05 | Pupskuchen | hm |
| 18:07.11 | dimaursu16 | so..Bushmills..I've booted from my puppy linux live cd:( |
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| 18:07.25 | dimaursu16 | my hdd is down |
| 18:07.34 | dimaursu16 | well, not at all, because pu |
| 18:07.37 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: you are the partition table zeroes guy |
| 18:07.38 | cardamon | Sorry to hear. |
| 18:07.41 | Pupskuchen | How can I create that file without permissions? |
| 18:07.43 | dimaursu16 | yes |
| 18:07.50 | Bushmills | ah, i remember |
| 18:07.50 | dimaursu16 | that one |
| 18:07.53 | dimaursu16 | so... |
| 18:08.03 | cardamon | Pupskuchen: ...why would you want to? |
| 18:08.22 | Pupskuchen | I want to update |
| 18:08.27 | Pupskuchen | linux-base |
| 18:08.33 | babilen | dimaursu16: How is it down? Did you reinstall grub2 to the MBR after finishing with gpart? (update-grub2 ; grub-install /dev/sda) |
| 18:08.35 | dimaursu16 | the good news is that puppy linux sees all the partitions, but not Gparted |
| 18:08.35 | dimaursu16 | and not my bios |
| 18:08.36 | Bushmills | Pupskuchen: you'd need to figure out what the reason is why you can't write as root to that dir |
| 18:08.41 | dimaursu16 | and I can mount them and open them |
| 18:08.53 | Bushmills | some possibilities were given already. verify those |
| 18:08.54 | cardamon | I know you can lock users and other users out with chmod 0600 ...I THINK. I could be be very wrong, so try it first. |
| 18:08.57 | Pupskuchen | how? D: |
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| 18:09.08 | dimaursu16 | nope |
| 18:09.19 | dimaursu16 | but gparted shows me the whole drive as unformatted |
| 18:09.29 | babilen | Pupskuchen: You typically should have write permissions to that directory. It is crucial to determine why you can not write to it. Tools such as "ls -l", "lsattr" might come in handy. |
| 18:09.30 | cardamon | I remember reading about it for locking a file with a psk stored in it..but that's a really bad way to do that sort of thing. |
| 18:09.45 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: does fdisk -l see them? |
| 18:09.50 | dimaursu16 | one second |
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| 18:10.58 | dimaursu16 | http://paste.debian.net/137433/ |
| 18:11.04 | cardamon | dimaursu16: I'm coming in in the middle of the conversation. Is it a drive you're trying to erase, or have erased, and are now trying to write a partition to? |
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| 18:11.42 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: looks not bad. pastebin the output of dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C |
| 18:11.43 | babilen | cardamon: dimaursu16 zeroed the MBR and used the "gpart" tool to restore the partition table afterwards. |
| 18:11.56 | cardamon | Oh. |
| 18:12.13 | cardamon | Well, that counts out my one suggestion. |
| 18:12.13 | dimaursu16 | no...it's just a stupid thing i did...yes...babilen is right ( you're pretty fast) |
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| 18:12.28 | babilen | dimaursu16: gtypist |
| 18:12.36 | n-iCe | you know guys whats measing to make this perfect? |
| 18:12.56 | n-iCe | a gui software to create a wireless AP in my laptop, any idea? |
| 18:13.02 | fffx | We use a debian server as router here. And the owner of the server has setup apache and runs a website on that server. Now, for some reason everytime some url that doesn't exist is requested (webbrowser, ping, telnet, whatever) it responds with that webpage. What might be wrong? |
| 18:13.13 | cardamon | ...I had an mbr once that woulld fail to work after every subsequent boot one time, so everytime I booted it up, I reinstalled the mbr. |
| 18:13.37 | PerfDave | fffx: Does the router return its own IP for failed DNS lookups? Diagnose with host / dig / nslookup |
| 18:13.44 | cardamon | It was kind of a wierd. |
| 18:13.45 | PerfDave | Bah |
| 18:13.51 | dimaursu16 | http://paste.debian.net/137435/ |
| 18:14.28 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: looks as you'll be fine after installing the MBR again. |
| 18:14.34 | Bushmills | lilo, it was, IIRC? |
| 18:14.38 | nsadmin | n-iCe, you might be able to make an ap using command-line tools... there might or might not be gui front end for that |
| 18:14.40 | PerfDave | dimaursu16: That makes me want to play more Dwarf Fortress :) |
| 18:14.59 | nsadmin | what's dwarf fortress? |
| 18:15.01 | dimaursu16 | babilen: well, english is not my native language( as a excuse) and I must think carefully before I type, so you can understand me... |
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| 18:16.03 | n-iCe | nsadmin: you know one? not that hard to configurate? have tried few |
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| 18:16.11 | tharkun | Gentlemen is there a flag to force scp to copy everything, including hidden directories? |
| 18:16.16 | Pupskucheen | meh, I wanted to restart the computer, now there's GNU GRUB (wtf?) |
| 18:16.46 | Bushmills | disk problem, it seems |
| 18:16.49 | DasEi | tharkun: lookup man scp ? |
| 18:16.54 | Pupskucheen | wtf |
| 18:17.04 | tharkun | DasEi: thanks allready did and couldn't find any |
| 18:17.11 | Bushmills | boot from rescue disk, run a fsck |
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| 18:18.05 | dimaursu16 | so..Bushmills..what should I do next? |
| 18:18.11 | cardamon | tharkun: it should copy whatever you tell it to. Just like cp. |
| 18:18.24 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: what i suggested just a line above your question |
| 18:18.26 | DasEi | tharkun: will be scp -r or -R, and atributes will also be copied, might need a switch for links additional, and hidden ones will be same on target (ls -la or ctrl+h in gui) |
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| 18:19.13 | dimaursu16 | install the MBR? |
| 18:19.18 | nsadmin | most I've seen involve having wireless cards with -specific- chipsets (like prism2 or prism54 for example) and loading firmware into the device that adds functionality, and installing programs and possibly kernel modules that support and establish the AP |
| 18:19.23 | cardamon | DasEi: What if he just scp <path to target dir>/* ? |
| 18:19.32 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: sorry, mixed you up with Pupskucheen |
| 18:19.32 | dimaursu16 | from Gparted would be fine? |
| 18:19.38 | cardamon | nsadmin: *cough* |
| 18:19.57 | DasEi | cardamon: no subdirs |
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| 18:21.03 | Bushmills | dimaursu16: you'd edit lilo.conf to reflect the actual drive device, to write MBR to, and execute lilo, to get MBR written there |
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| 18:21.36 | Bushmills | you could - just a thought - think of migrating to grub, alternatively |
| 18:21.38 | dimaursu16 | I use grub...but i guess is the same recomandation |
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| 18:22.28 | Bushmills | essentially, yes. grub-install /dev/sda; update-grub might do. please double check |
| 18:23.27 | dimaursu16 | thank you very much...ave Bushmills and babilen :D you 2 saved my life |
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| 18:23.57 | babilen | dimaursu16: You now owe us one soul |
| 18:24.01 | Bushmills | could have been worse |
| 18:24.04 | babilen | indeed |
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| 18:24.37 | cardamon | sighs |
| 18:24.44 | nsadmin | hands babilen a copy of "What's Goin On" by Marvin Gaye |
| 18:24.46 | babilen | dimaursu16: Just out of curiosity: What were you trying to do when you zeroed your MBR? |
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| 18:25.11 | cardamon | Okay, so, I'm going to go home, try a few more things, and if that doesn't work, the wireless pci card goes in a box and back to the store. |
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| 18:25.15 | Bushmills | high-fives babilen |
| 18:25.35 | babilen | triple-high-fives Bushmills |
| 18:25.47 | zero_ | how do i join #debian-next? it says I must be invited to it |
| 18:26.03 | babilen | zero_: The channel is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
| 18:26.11 | zero_ | oops! thanks! |
| 18:26.14 | babilen | np |
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| 18:26.31 | dimaursu16 | well...I was following a tutorial for making my usb flash ( sdb ) a freedos bootable device for flashing my bios ( damn you ACER ) and they provide tools for flashing just for win/dos |
| 18:26.46 | dimaursu16 | an I forgot to change sda to sdb |
| 18:26.51 | dimaursu16 | from tutorial |
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| 18:27.07 | cardamon | dimaursu16: derp |
| 18:27.29 | babilen | dimaursu16: That is exactly the problem with tutorials ... They should use not-valid wildcards for all potentially destructive commands. |
| 18:27.49 | babilen | ... but they do not |
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| 18:29.03 | dimaursu16 | yes...and thats the problem with those that read tuts...they should be carefull... |
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| 18:29.57 | cardamon | pats dimaursu16: I've done worse. My flash drive still doesn't work right after I dbanned it. |
| 18:29.57 | nkuttler | tutorials are great... unless you ignore the docs |
| 18:30.26 | Pupskucheen | wel |
| 18:30.28 | Pupskucheen | l |
| 18:30.34 | Pupskucheen | I'm in rescue mode now |
| 18:30.38 | Pupskucheen | what to do? |
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| 18:30.53 | babilen | Pupskucheen: And did you figure out why you can not write to that location? Can you now? |
| 18:31.01 | Pupskucheen | well |
| 18:31.05 | Pupskucheen | I rebooted |
| 18:31.07 | Pupskucheen | and |
| 18:31.10 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: I haven't been following you , initial problem ? |
| 18:31.16 | Pupskucheen | there was only GRUB |
| 18:31.21 | valdyn | !tetell Pupskucheen -about enter |
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| 18:31.22 | Pupskucheen | I'm in rescue mode atm |
| 18:31.26 | valdyn | !tell Pupskucheen -about enter |
| 18:31.47 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:31.53 | tharkun | DasEi: thanks, i allready tried with -r and it failed to copy the .subdirs it seems it is doing it now but i had to copy the whole dir as /home/user not /home/user/* |
| 18:31.56 | Pupskucheen | Its okay, sorry |
| 18:32.23 | babilen | DasEi: read-only /usr/bin which prevents a point-release upgrade to 6.0.3 |
| 18:32.37 | Pupskucheen | I'm helpless :/ |
| 18:32.46 | DasEi | tharkun: ic, well sometimes it's just the ownership that prevents files from being copied if not root |
| 18:33.36 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Can you create files in that location now? What are the permissions of the enclosing directories? Is / by chance mounted read-only due to fs errors? |
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| 18:34.17 | sedulous | Is CIFS usable over slow WAN links or is the overhead too much? I need to provide online storage to a Mac user, tunneled via OpenVPN |
| 18:34.26 | Pupskucheen | I want to start the computer without rescue mode O.o |
| 18:34.37 | Pupskucheen | and linux-base installation still fails |
| 18:34.52 | PerfDave | sedulous: I've used it, but not for huge file transfers. |
| 18:35.56 | valdyn | sedulous: with cifs theres usually not going to be a suitable progress bar or similar |
| 18:36.10 | valdyn | sedulous: which might make it unsuitable for users |
| 18:36.12 | DasEi | sedulous: works, but rsync over ssh could be faster if you suit ssh to the network abilities |
| 18:36.47 | nsadmin | babilen, was it you who I was talking abt grub config earlier? |
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| 18:37.49 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: you have network in init 1 ? |
| 18:37.57 | Pupskucheen | ? |
| 18:38.19 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: init 1 = rescuemode |
| 18:38.26 | sedulous | valdyn: thanks. i'll consider that. SFTP is the other option. i guess i'll have to simply try both on OS X |
| 18:38.46 | Pupskucheen | I have started it in rescue mode |
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| 18:38.55 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: install pastebinit |
| 18:38.57 | babilen | nsadmin: I don't think so, maybe jelly-home ? |
| 18:39.04 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: ls -la /usr/bin | pastebinit |
| 18:39.10 | DasEi | give url here |
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| 18:39.26 | boudiccas | Pupskucheen; so you keep saying! we know you're in rescue mode, stop repeating yourself |
| 18:39.40 | serafeim | Just a simple question: Is Debian what we call a rolling-distribution? |
| 18:39.47 | valdyn | sedulous: no |
| 18:39.53 | PerfDave | serafeim: Dunno, what's one of those? |
| 18:40.01 | Pupskucheen | I'm in rescue mode (hehe, sorry) |
| 18:40.13 | babilen | serafeim: It is not |
| 18:40.17 | babilen | !tell serafeim about rolling |
| 18:40.23 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.21 | babilen | serafeim: Uhm, I had hoped that factoid would contain some information/links to the current discussions about a rolling release for Debian. Be that as it may: Debian does (as of now) not provide any rolling release. |
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| 18:42.26 | nsadmin | oh ok... so, I'm looking to add irqpoll to all linux kernel cmd lines written out by grub-update |
| 18:42.55 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: url ? |
| 18:43.07 | valdyn | nsadmin: its update-grub. Which grub? |
| 18:43.10 | Pupskucheen | One moment, please |
| 18:43.33 | nsadmin | the one in squeeze, last upgrade a few days ago |
| 18:43.45 | arghx | nsadmin: /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:43.56 | nsadmin | something I'm editing now |
| 18:43.58 | babilen | nsadmin: Ah, yes. That was me |
| 18:44.01 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Fails, I can't install anything |
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| 18:44.32 | pbase | is skype is secure application to use? |
| 18:44.41 | PerfDave | pbase: Define "secure" :) |
| 18:44.45 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: ls -la /usr/bin as root shows write access ? |
| 18:44.59 | cantido | pbase: probably not secure in china ;) |
| 18:45.08 | arghx | cantido: or in germany |
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| 18:45.22 | babilen | nsadmin: So, did you edit /etc/default/grub accordingly and ran "update-grub2" ? What is the problem you are having right now exactly? |
| 18:45.29 | valdyn | pbase: its not secure as theres no way to verify that its secure |
| 18:45.34 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Write access to what? (may I pm you?) |
| 18:45.35 | pbase | in the context of a regular user, can anyone can hijack a skype session. I read the reveation about ccc group that it has hooks which can be exloited |
| 18:45.37 | cantido | arghx: compilers are illegal in germany right? |
| 18:45.48 | pbase | revealtion* |
| 18:45.54 | cantido | pbase: you mean on your local machine? |
| 18:45.57 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: please stay here, second beer on my side, leaving soon |
| 18:45.58 | PerfDave | pbase: Many people can hijack a skype session in many ways. |
| 18:46.05 | arghx | no. but the gov has malware to listen into skype connections |
| 18:46.16 | valdyn | arghx: thats nonsense |
| 18:46.27 | nsadmin | babilen, oh, ok... so here's what I did: I looked at that file, which has: 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"' and 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"', and when looking at grub.cfg I find "quiet" on the non-recovery stanzas |
| 18:46.29 | arghx | valdyn: really? |
| 18:46.34 | valdyn | arghx: yes, really |
| 18:46.34 | cantido | arghx: I thought any software that could be used to create malware etc was illegal in germany.. |
| 18:46.42 | nsadmin | oh, oops... |
| 18:46.42 | boudiccas | arghx; which government? |
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| 18:46.55 | nsadmin | gonna repost that |
| 18:46.55 | pbase | boudiccas: german |
| 18:46.55 | arghx | boudiccas: german states |
| 18:47.04 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: ls -la /usr/bin does something, but I dont know what that all means :P |
| 18:47.25 | valdyn | somehow news about some government *might* do something end up being read as some government *did* something |
| 18:47.26 | pbase | what alternatives do you suggest for voice and video? |
| 18:47.33 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root , typical line ? |
| 18:47.38 | PerfDave | pbase: Text ;) |
| 18:47.41 | nsadmin | babilen, oh, ok... so here's what I did: I looked at that file, which has: 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"' and 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""', and when looking at grub.cfg I find "quiet" on the non-recovery stanzas |
| 18:47.42 | arghx | valdyn: the government admitted they did it... |
| 18:47.56 | architek | skype analysis: http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf |
| 18:47.58 | cantido | pbase: If someone gets into your machine I dont see any reason why they couldnt mess around with any software you have running.. I dont thing skypes transport has been broken yet |
| 18:48.04 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Yes, mostly that |
| 18:48.20 | valdyn | arghx: they admitted to implementing a trojan and using it a few times, skype has nothing to do with this |
| 18:48.22 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: are you root atm ? |
| 18:48.26 | nsadmin | babilen, so GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX's content is added to all the stanzas? |
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| 18:48.32 | Pupskucheen | I think so |
| 18:48.39 | pbase | PerfDave: that doesn't help.. |
| 18:48.55 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: what does an apt-get update respond ? |
| 18:49.05 | babilen | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:49.09 | pbase | purple/telepathy ? |
| 18:49.11 | PerfDave | The question isn't whether Skype is "secure" in some meaningless generic sense, it's whether it's secure enough against specific attacks you reasonably expect. |
| 18:49.30 | nsadmin | ok, let's try that... btw, it's update-grub2? |
| 18:49.37 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I am root, apt-get update does it's job |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | arghx: or put another way: Theres no way to have *any* program thats secure from a compromised lower layer. |
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| 18:50.28 | nsadmin | "it's job" => "it is job" |
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| 18:50.52 | nsadmin | just so's ya know |
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| 18:51.01 | fugdnscerd | need some ideas! copying data from nfs shares freezes my computer and causes my display to go fuzzy.. just before it does it spits out various error messages that I only got a glance at... one line said something about being confused and power saving mode.. I am trying to capture the output perhaps to a file so I can check it out on reboot but redirecting to a file does not work.. I don't think the computer is actually writing to disk but only to cache whic |
| 18:51.09 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: What should I do now? |
| 18:51.21 | pbase | what apps do you use? |
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| 18:51.42 | pbase | does cheese support voice? |
| 18:51.46 | PerfDave | pbase: I don't use voice or video for anything I want to be secure. |
| 18:51.51 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 18:52.08 | pbase | PerfDave: how does using voice or video make one insecure |
| 18:52.13 | cantido | PerfDave: how is crypted text more secure than crypted voice? |
| 18:52.33 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: It depends some other stuff, I can't install it |
| 18:52.55 | valdyn | cantido: security does not begin or end at the crypted information |
| 18:52.58 | PerfDave | cantido: There are various cryptographic reasons why that's the case, but mostly I haven't found a good videoconf program that I trust :) |
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| 18:53.06 | ectospasm | fugdnscerd: seems you're getting a kernel panic, or machine check exception (MCE) |
| 18:53.06 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: apt-get -f install && apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:53.52 | pbase | PerfDave: what criteria do you evaluate programs on |
| 18:53.58 | fugdnscerd | will running with a debugger keep it from freezing the entire machine |
| 18:54.06 | PerfDave | pbase: Gut feeling ;p |
| 18:54.14 | ectospasm | fugdnscerd: probably not |
| 18:54.28 | pbase | :/ |
| 18:54.32 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: There's an error while installing linux-base and tzdata, I don't have permissions to create files for that stuff |
| 18:54.39 | cantido | valdyn: whatever you use to send text is just as vulnerable from a purely code view as skype is |
| 18:54.48 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I can't do anything until that is fixed |
| 18:54.58 | arghx | fugdnscerd: set up a syslog server over the network. that way you can save the output. or use a serial console |
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| 18:55.07 | pbase | is ekiga good? |
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| 18:55.13 | cantido | valdyn: and skype can encrypt voice data just as well as you could crypt text data.. so wheres the difference? |
| 18:55.15 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: but you work as root ? |
| 18:55.22 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I do |
| 18:55.24 | bmoloney | If I set all_squash on an NFS export so that all users have the same permissions, can I then limit access at the mountpoint or do I have to bury it in another directory with the appropriate permissions? |
| 18:55.38 | PerfDave | cantido: There's more than code vulnerabilities :) |
| 18:55.45 | cantido | PerfDave: for example.. |
| 18:55.51 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: hmm, crystal ball not working, so another try : |
| 18:56.03 | PerfDave | cantido: Protocol vulnerabilities, side-channel attacks, timing attacks, entropy leaking... |
| 18:56.05 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:56.20 | cantido | PerfDave: and your text client could have those issues |
| 18:56.22 | arghx | Pupskucheen: what exact error do you get? |
| 18:56.35 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: ok and then? |
| 18:56.45 | pbase | PerfDave: what text protocol you use |
| 18:56.46 | cantido | PerfDave: The only issue I see here is that skype isnt open source, so no one can review it |
| 18:56.47 | fugdnscerd | if I ssh in from another machine I should get all the output and then lose the connection... ill try that and also your ideas if need be |
| 18:56.49 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: report errors you get |
| 18:56.49 | fugdnscerd | thanks |
| 18:56.50 | Pupskucheen | arghx: It can't create some files |
| 18:56.56 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: there are no errors |
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| 18:57.09 | PerfDave | cantido: No, text communications are inherently less vulnerable to several of the things I mentioned than voice and video data. |
| 18:57.15 | arghx | Pupskucheen: that is not the error. that is your bad description of an error. try again |
| 18:57.17 | Pupskucheen | arghx: I posted a link before |
| 18:57.57 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: I somewhat "guess" your sources are borked, but cant find out that way, considered a backup and clean install ? |
| 18:57.58 | cantido | PerfDave: There are plenty of attacks that can be used against keyboards |
| 18:58.01 | Pupskucheen | arghx: I can't post a paste anymore, I changed IRC client |
| 18:58.05 | PerfDave | cantido: Sure there are. |
| 18:58.16 | arghx | Pupskucheen: those links don't work anymore |
| 18:58.48 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: So I have to completely reinstall debian? |
| 18:59.02 | arghx | Pupskucheen: that's what he thinks |
| 18:59.08 | cantido | PerfDave: skype does have text chat btw .. ;) |
| 18:59.32 | PerfDave | cantido: I wouldn't know, I'm not interested in proprietary software :) |
| 18:59.41 | cantido | wonders what secrets pbase has to hide |
| 18:59.55 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: either we need more info and considering time (no tools, apt borked, unclear errors) might be easier, yes |
| 19:00.24 | PerfDave | But that's the point - I'm reasonably clued-up on security, I'm aware of common attacks, threats and vulnerabilities, and I consider what my situation is, what the risks are, and how to mitigate them. |
| 19:00.34 | pbase | cantido: I don't want the person on the other side of the call to take pictures of me, my desktop or browse my directories without my permisssion |
| 19:00.35 | jhutchins_lt | is interested in software that does what he needs first, and what it's moral/legal status is secondarily. |
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| 19:01.00 | PerfDave | pbase: Well why didn't you say so ;p |
| 19:01.00 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Is there a way to save my files before doing that? I still can browse through the disk |
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| 19:01.23 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: sure, have an additional diskspace ? |
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| 19:01.37 | pbase | well now that I have said them, does that change your responses |
| 19:01.41 | Tayne | Is the latest stable build of Chromium in the repos 6.0? |
| 19:01.52 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Yes, but I don't have so much files. Does an USB stick also work? |
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| 19:02.00 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: fine |
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| 19:02.12 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: plug it in |
| 19:02.12 | PerfDave | pbase: In terms of Skype, I have no idea how secure it is against unauthorised screenshots or file transfers etc. |
| 19:02.15 | samthewildone | What do I need to install to play dvds on Debian. |
| 19:02.30 | PerfDave | pbase: But I'm sure that those weren't the sorts of "secure" that people were thinking of when you didn't bother to specify. |
| 19:02.33 | valdyn | !dvdcss |
| 19:02.33 | dpkg | libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, install the libdvdcss2 package available from debian-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>. http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html |
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| 19:02.35 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: brb, searching for my USB stick :D |
| 19:02.37 | valdyn | samthewildone: ^^ |
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| 19:02.41 | samthewildone | I tried installing xine but, when I try to install the libdvdcss it doesn't seem to be in synaptic. |
| 19:02.42 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: :) |
| 19:02.52 | pbase | PerfDave: any alternatives (cross platform as most people I intereact with use windows. if its universal client like pidgin, it will be excellent) |
| 19:03.03 | DasEi | samthewildone: see above or install vlc |
| 19:03.11 | PerfDave | pbase: Like I say, I don't use video/audio chat |
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| 19:04.31 | samthewildone | DasEi: Isn't it in synaptic ? |
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| 19:04.53 | wimm | samthewildone - Have you got debian-multimedia.org in your sources list? |
| 19:04.55 | PerfDave | pbase: I would tend to assume that any free software is less likely to be vulnerable to the problems you describe than Skype or similar proprietary software however. |
| 19:04.57 | samthewildone | I already have 2 media players installed but, is there a way to add libdvdcss from synaptic and not build it. |
| 19:05.06 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Found it, what plug it in and then? |
| 19:05.07 | DasEi | samthewildone: for the lib look above, vlc brings it's own codecs |
| 19:05.09 | pbase | how do I check who all users are logged in on the machine at a given time |
| 19:05.17 | arghx | !tell samthewildone about dmm |
| 19:05.21 | PerfDave | pbase: "who" |
| 19:05.25 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: fdisk -l , which device is it ? |
| 19:05.27 | PerfDave | or just "w" |
| 19:05.37 | arghx | samthewildone: debian cannot distribute libdvdcss therefore it's in this repo |
| 19:05.39 | samthewildone | What is the repo url |
| 19:05.48 | arghx | samthewildone: dpkg just told you |
| 19:06.08 | DasEi | samthewildone: again look above ;) |
| 19:06.15 | jhutchins_lt | !dmm |
| 19:06.15 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 19:06.35 | jhutchins_lt | arghx: Oops, brainlag. |
| 19:06.59 | jhutchins_lt | samthewildone: I recommend mplayer. |
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| 19:07.20 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: mount, is the usb already automounted somewhere ? |
| 19:07.32 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I think its /dev/sdc1 |
| 19:07.57 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: mount, is the usb already automounted somewhere ? |
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| 19:08.26 | pbase | PerfDave: http://paste.debian.net/137457/ can you interpret it? |
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| 19:08.35 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: with somewhere, do you mean in the "mount" list or on any computer? |
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| 19:08.46 | DasEi | mount output |
| 19:08.55 | n-iCe | weird I installed my wireless driver fimrware but is not listed in iwconfig, any idea? |
| 19:09.02 | n-iCe | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 |
| 19:09.13 | n-iCe | installed, firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:09.25 | DasEi | sdc1 occurs in mount output , Pupskucheen |
| 19:09.27 | DasEi | ? |
| 19:09.29 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: How do I see that it's my USB stick? |
| 19:09.32 | Pupskucheen | umm |
| 19:09.38 | samthewildone | Okay I added but needs a key |
| 19:09.58 | Pupskucheen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.59 | PerfDave | pbase: What needs to be "interpreted"? |
| 19:10.21 | PerfDave | pbase: "man w" to describe the format |
| 19:10.21 | pbase | I need to understand why there are 2 rows, and what do the columns mean |
| 19:10.28 | pbase | thanks |
| 19:10.47 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: fine, so : mkdir /media/usbBA && mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usbBA && df -h |
| 19:10.53 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount.ro) |
| 19:11.04 | wimm | samthewildone - The first package to install is debian-multimedia-keyring. |
| 19:11.17 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: df -h showing correct size sdc1 for your usb now ? |
| 19:11.23 | pbase | what isa tty name? |
| 19:12.30 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Hm, Seems like my USB stick is not mounted <.< |
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| 19:12.40 | PerfDave | pbase: man tty |
| 19:12.58 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: can you determine it's sdc1 ? |
| 19:13.10 | n-iCe | weird I installed my wireless driver fimrware but is not listed in iwconfig, any idea? Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 installed, firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 19:13.26 | pbase | cool this is recursive .. thanks! |
| 19:13.34 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: /dev/sda1 - tmpfs - udev - tmpfs - devpts - that's the output of df -h |
| 19:13.46 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: sdc1 is not shown in mount |
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| 19:14.08 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: mkdir /media/usbBA && mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usbBA |
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| 19:15.07 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: done, my USB stick flickered (looks good) |
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| 19:15.36 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: df -h showing correct size sdc1 for your usb now ? |
| 19:16.17 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: yeah |
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| 19:16.37 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: enough free space for your personal files ? |
| 19:17.00 | samthewildone | Thanks guys my dad got it. |
| 19:17.15 | samthewildone | Had to add through vim instead of the guiy synaptic. |
| 19:17.20 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I think so, I only have a few MB on it and my USB stick is 8GB |
| 19:17.34 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Important megabytes! |
| 19:17.37 | Pupskucheen | :D |
| 19:17.57 | pbase | PerfDave: what program do you use for instant messaging |
| 19:18.12 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: chown -R Pupskucheen(or whatever regualar usernameHere) /media/usbBA |
| 19:18.40 | DasEi | ^ use the username you set for your user in above cmd |
| 19:18.45 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 19:18.46 | n-iCe | modprobe iwlagn |
| 19:18.46 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 19:18.50 | cardamon | Anyone have a recommendation for a wireless PCI card, in case I wind up replacing the brand new yet still none functioning one I got? |
| 19:19.17 | PerfDave | pbase: irssi and bitlbee |
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| 19:19.45 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: rsync -Pr /home/ /media/usbBA |
| 19:20.13 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: you now should see your personal files going over |
| 19:20.34 | samthewildone | Is the nvidia driver a necessary install |
| 19:20.38 | pbase | PerfDave: who is the owner of bitlbee |
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| 19:20.49 | PerfDave | pbase: Mr Bit L Bee |
| 19:20.58 | samthewildone | My dad just uses linux for learning it and watching movies, nothing graphic intensive. |
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| 19:21.05 | DasEi | samthewildone: depends, but will mostly makesys more responsive |
| 19:21.16 | DasEi | make sys* |
| 19:21.28 | samthewildone | make sys* ? |
| 19:21.43 | pbase | #bitlbee |
| 19:21.56 | DasEi | samthewildone: make your system |
| 19:22.08 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: rsync error: some files/attr were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1060) [sender=3.0.7] |
| 19:22.39 | samthewildone | I guess that's a yes then. |
| 19:22.47 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: that's fine, any additional dirs/configs/choices to be safed ? |
| 19:23.00 | samthewildone | What do you mean "make your system" |
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| 19:23.27 | wimm | samthewildone - The 'nouveau' driver is fine for nVidia cards. |
| 19:23.28 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: /var/www |
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| 19:23.50 | DasEi | samthewildone: the propitary drivers use ressources of g-card better, thus smoother system and less system(mainboard) load |
| 19:23.53 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Oh no, I have saved that stuff on this computer also |
| 19:24.24 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I will remember after reinstalling^^ |
| 19:24.29 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: need your package selection ? seems like a young install, so I guess not |
| 19:24.35 | samthewildone | how do you pronounce that "nouveau" ? |
| 19:24.55 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: Nah, I think I will find the few packages I had |
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| 19:25.19 | wimm | samthewildone - new vo |
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| 19:25.31 | cardamon | samthewildone: It's french. |
| 19:25.32 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: cd /media/usbBA && ls -a , files there ? |
| 19:26.03 | Pupskucheen | it only shows the folder pupskuchen :D |
| 19:26.06 | Pupskucheen | wait |
| 19:26.17 | samthewildone | What plugin do I need for playing mp3 ? |
| 19:26.24 | samthewildone | thanks guys ! |
| 19:26.29 | samthewildone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:27.49 | wimm | samthewildone - No plugin. Just install a media player. moc is quite nice. |
| 19:27.52 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: LOL I opened a file with gedit ^.^ |
| 19:27.57 | DasEi | samthewildone: it's same with codecs, the more proper way is to use multimedia repo, else vlc comes with most common codecs |
| 19:28.36 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: I think that was it, what to do now? |
| 19:28.39 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: so they went over ? just wanted to be sure; cd && umount /dev/sdc1 (after closing gedit) |
| 19:29.05 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: get a fresh squeeze iso.. |
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| 19:29.36 | samthewildone | rythmbox should play mp3's by default. |
| 19:29.40 | Pupskucheen | DasEi: unmount: not found |
| 19:30.09 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: so they went over ? just wanted to be sure; cd && umount /dev/sdc1 (after closing gedit),your typo, ;) |
| 19:30.26 | Pupskucheen | ooohh |
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| 19:30.27 | Pupskucheen | xD |
| 19:30.30 | DasEi | hehe |
| 19:30.40 | ironhalik | can someone tell me, why do I see zend module in my phpinfo file? is it a debian thing? |
| 19:30.42 | Pupskucheen | done |
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| 19:31.15 | DasEi | Pupskucheen: remove all disks not be killed and do a fresh install, be done |
| 19:31.25 | DasEi | not to be* |
| 19:31.43 | babilen | o_O -- What turned out to be the problem DasEi, Pupskucheen ? |
| 19:31.56 | samthewildone | DasEi: trying to play radios from rythmbox it doesn't play. |
| 19:31.56 | babilen | Is the disk dying and the fs therefore remounted ro? |
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| 19:32.14 | Pupskucheen | We will never know |
| 19:32.15 | DasEi | babilen: apt broken, no pastebinit, unclear errors, no pastebinit, .... |
| 19:32.25 | Pupskucheen | :/ |
| 19:32.26 | babilen | ack |
| 19:32.30 | Pupskucheen | ^.^ |
| 19:32.41 | samthewildone | Gives and error... |
| 19:33.07 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Can you create files in / ? E.g. Does "touch /this_file_hopefully_doesnt_exist" work? (check if you have such a file first) |
| 19:33.10 | DasEi | babilen: to improved debian installer, and just few personal files, heh |
| 19:33.23 | DasEi | too |
| 19:33.34 | babilen | A new install will certainly help, but might not be the most desirable action. |
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| 19:34.08 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Run that as root and delete the file afterwards if you can write there. |
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| 19:34.24 | wimm | samthewildone - What does the error say? |
| 19:34.27 | DasEi | babilen: feel free to go , I'm done for today :) |
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| 19:34.31 | samthewildone | I forgot |
| 19:34.32 | babilen | DasEi: Sure :) |
| 19:34.51 | Pupskucheen | babilen: Anywhere? |
| 19:34.58 | samthewildone | Just letting you guys know I know linux but, its my Dad. So he wants everything in like an ordered answer. |
| 19:35.09 | samthewildone | Old people... |
| 19:35.18 | wimm | samthewildone - Fire up Rythmbox again to reproduce the error. |
| 19:35.30 | DasEi | samthewildone: you enabled mm-repo ? |
| 19:35.45 | samthewildone | Anyway isn't there like a gstreamer plugin I need to add ? |
| 19:35.46 | samthewildone | yes |
| 19:35.48 | babilen | Pupskucheen: What do you mean by "Anywhere?" ? Does the command I give you work? |
| 19:36.03 | samthewildone | DasEi: yes, that's how I was able to install libdvdcss |
| 19:36.24 | samthewildone | When he selects a title in the Radio it says "playlist is empty". |
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| 19:36.35 | Pupskucheen | babilen: Yes, it does |
| 19:36.37 | n-iCe | any idea? in modprobe |
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| 19:36.38 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 19:37.10 | DasEi | samthewildone: apt-get install mplayer vlc |
| 19:37.11 | wimm | samthewildone - Sounds like you got to add something to the playlist. |
| 19:37.22 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Ok, delete that file and try "touch /usr/bin/this_file_does_not_exist_and_should_be_deleted" |
| 19:37.41 | samthewildone | DasEi: I don't need those. He just needed to play dvds and his mp3s. |
| 19:38.12 | Pupskucheen | babilen: Also works |
| 19:38.12 | DasEi | samthewildone: easiest way then, and : http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-squeeze |
| 19:38.22 | wimm | samthewildone - Or install shell-fm. It's a nice lastfm client. Got to configure it though. |
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| 19:38.41 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Ok, remove that file as well and run "aptitude dist-upgrade" -- Do you still get the permission error? |
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| 19:38.52 | suzu | hello |
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| 19:39.51 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Just out of curiosity: Would it be a big problem to reinstall the system? |
| 19:39.58 | Pupskucheen | babilen: aptitude: not found |
| 19:40.24 | Pupskucheen | I would see that while reinstalling and configuring everything |
| 19:40.52 | babilen | Pupskucheen: You get the error "aptitude: not found" during the installation? |
| 19:41.02 | suzu | is it possible to set up a rtl8187 access point in debian gnu/linux amd64 ? the rtl8187 driver refuses to run in "master mode" |
| 19:41.15 | Pupskucheen | babilen: I'm in rescue mode |
| 19:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nagios |
| 19:41.24 | judd | No package named 'nagios' was found in i386. |
| 19:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icinga |
| 19:41.34 | judd | Package: icinga on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.2-2; lenny-backports-sloppy: 1.4.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 1.5.1-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.5.1-1; wheezy: 1.5.1-1 |
| 19:41.56 | babilen | Pupskucheen: You've mentioned that already. Do you get the error "aptitude: command not found" during the installation? Or when you try to run "aptitude dist-upgrade" ? |
| 19:42.35 | Pupskucheen | when i try to run it |
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| 19:43.16 | babilen | Pupskucheen: And what do you mean by "I would see that while reinstalling and configuring everyhting" ? (That basically translates to German as "I wuerde sehen waehrend der Reinstallation und der Konfiguration von allem") |
| 19:44.10 | Pupskucheen | babilen: I started a shell in dev/sda1 now and I can run the command |
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| 19:44.39 | babilen | Pupskucheen: Ok, please run "/usr/bin/aptitude full-upgrade" -- And sorry, I missed the "that" in your sentence. But my question wasn't about how hard you perceive a reinstall, but if you would lose valuable information/configuration if you do so. How old is the system? Would it be a problem for you if you reinstall/reconfigure it? |
| 19:44.55 | Pupskucheen | babilen: and it still fails ( I mean I don't know yet If it would be that bad for me ) |
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| 19:45.18 | babilen | Pupskucheen: With the same error? |
| 19:45.23 | Pupskucheen | Yes |
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| 19:46.26 | babilen | Pupskucheen: No idea what is wrong then and it is really hard to debug from here. I'd recommend a reinstall unless you have good reasons not to. (Like: I don't have backups and it will take me at least two months to configure the system as it is now) |
| 19:46.28 | Pupskucheen | usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:46.29 | Pupskucheen | A package failed to install. Trying to recover |
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| 19:46.49 | m0t3jl | Hi. Which wildcards are allowed in the /etc/apt/preferences file in the Package: section? I'm trying to keep my php at version 5.2 at all costs, but Package: *php* seems not to trigger for example libapache2-mod-php. Is it possible to use such wildcards? Thanks |
| 19:46.52 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nagios3 |
| 19:46.52 | judd | Package: nagios3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-4~lenny2; lenny-security: 3.0.6-4~lenny2; lenny-backports: 3.2.1-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.1-2; sid: 3.2.3-3; wheezy: 3.2.3-3 |
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| 19:47.13 | babilen | Pupskucheen: That is not really the error -- Before you had something like "/usr/bin/*.dpkg-new: Permission denied" or so (unfortunately your pastes do not seem to be available anymore) |
| 19:47.21 | Jasonn | m0t3jl: do: apt-cache search php |
| 19:47.24 | Pupskucheen | babilen: Can I reinstall it from the disk I used to install it the first time? |
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| 19:47.25 | babilen | !tell m0t3jl -about pinning |
| 19:47.31 | babilen | m0t3jl: Read the errata |
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| 19:48.06 | babilen | Pupskucheen: I would recommend to use a 6.0.3 image, but you can also use your old installation one and dist-upgrade directly after the installation. |
| 19:48.06 | m0t3jl | Jasonn, what am I looking for? |
| 19:48.21 | Pupskucheen | babilen: /usr/sbin/tzconfig.dpkg-new : Permission denied |
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| 19:48.29 | Jasonn | m0t3jl: You are looking for the php upgrade package.. Wait, what exactly are you looking to do? |
| 19:48.37 | babilen | m0t3jl: Read the errata that is linked in the factoid dpkg sent you |
| 19:48.54 | Pupskucheen | babilen: But its not showing an error about /usr/bin/perf.dpkg-new anymore^^ |
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| 19:49.09 | m0t3jl | Jasonn, I want to keep my php at version 5.2, basically |
| 19:49.23 | Pupskucheen | babilen: Downloading a new ISO would be the worst part of the reinstallation |
| 19:49.27 | babilen | m0t3jl: That being said: If you need a php5.2 for whatever reason: Run your broken PHP software on a lenny VM or in a lenny chroot and fix it to work with recent PHP versions as well. |
| 19:49.59 | Jasonn | m0t3jl: Why would you want to do that? |
| 19:50.06 | Jasonn | and just dont upgrade to the new one... |
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| 19:50.39 | babilen | Pupskucheen: If that is the case: Just reinstall. (Preferably with a 6.0.3 image) -- Which image do you have there right now? |
| 19:50.46 | m0t3jl | The app is not mine (ugh), I am a hosting provider ;) |
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| 19:51.09 | Pupskucheen | babilen: I don't know, but nvm, I'm downloading the new ISO |
| 19:51.13 | m0t3jl | babilen, but I see in the errata that *php* is indeed no supported |
| 19:51.17 | babilen | m0t3jl: In that case: Offer a lenny VM to your customers and inform them that they have to fix their applications. |
| 19:51.34 | babilen | m0t3jl: Yes, that is exactly the case which is why I wanted you to read it. |
| 19:51.59 | babilen | m0t3jl: You can, however, use prefix* .. but all that is explained in the errata |
| 19:52.21 | m0t3jl | babilen: and I'll probably do something like that. |
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| 19:52.49 | cardamon | Guh, I'm thinking of heading home and blowing off the rest of my classes for the day to work on my wireless problem |
| 19:53.07 | cardamon | Someone tell me it's a bad ida. |
| 19:53.15 | babilen | m0t3jl: PHP is such a pain in the arse in this regard. You have my condolences -- A local chroot or local installation might also be feasible, but the latter is probably a nightmare to maintain. |
| 19:53.43 | babilen | cardamon: Your call, but trust me: Your wireless is not more important than your education. |
| 19:53.46 | m0t3jl | babilen, I was actually thinking about compiling it manually |
| 19:54.27 | babilen | m0t3jl: You will most likely have a lot of work with that in the future. Ah, now even ... |
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| 19:54.52 | s_chng | cardamon: go to class |
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| 19:56.24 | Pupskucheen | What could be reasons for a computer to crash like that?? |
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| 19:57.36 | s_chng | anyone have success setting up drivers for radeon 6450 hd? |
| 19:57.39 | s_chng | in 6.0.3 |
| 19:57.54 | s_chng | trying to set up dual monitors |
| 19:58.12 | s_chng | downloaded proprietary drivers (v11.9) but the refresh is super slow |
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| 20:00.08 | cardamon | reseat the card in a new pci slot and check the antennae, try ndiswrapper, or replace the card. |
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| 20:01.03 | cardamon | Does anyone run Windows in a VM? What do you use? vbox, vmware, qemu, or something I haven't heard of? |
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| 20:05.48 | ironhalik | Hello |
| 20:06.18 | ironhalik | does debian, by default needs crontab somehow activated for users? |
| 20:07.39 | gimpy0138 | ironhalik: You should be able to just create a crontab for each user and it would just work. |
| 20:07.47 | ironhalik | well, yeah |
| 20:07.52 | ironhalik | as a user, i do crontab -e |
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| 20:08.03 | ironhalik | and add @reboot znc >> /dev/null |
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| 20:08.24 | ironhalik | and nothing happens, without the dev/null I dont even get any mail |
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| 20:12.50 | simonlnu | nothing is supposed to happen unless you want it to... and redirects in crontabs are tricky. |
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| 20:13.06 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 20:13.20 | samthewildone | kristian-aalborg: yo |
| 20:13.36 | kristian-aalborg | my box just died... I was ssh'ing and tried to run mplayer foo.avi, just to see what would happen |
| 20:13.40 | ironhalik | simonlnu: even without the redirect, with @reboot znc it should at least say something |
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| 20:14.02 | kristian-aalborg | I thought it would turn up in ascii in the console, but it seems to have killed the server box instead |
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| 20:14.36 | simonlnu | znc does some "magic". does it start? |
| 20:14.52 | simonlnu | if it starts, who cares? |
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| 20:15.12 | simonlnu | it should mail you when there's a problem, or when you're generating reports |
| 20:15.25 | kristian-aalborg | simonlnu, are you talking to me? |
| 20:15.39 | simonlnu | otherwise who cares. just mail you're gonna delete in 5 seconds. |
| 20:15.44 | simonlnu | no to ironhalik |
| 20:15.49 | kristian-aalborg | ah, ok |
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| 20:16.51 | kristian-aalborg | it's not like the box dying once is horrible... but I just wondered if it meant something more |
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| 20:19.19 | bmoloney | kristian-aalborg: this is what logs are for |
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| 20:20.39 | kristian-aalborg | bmoloney, true dat |
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| 20:20.51 | kristian-aalborg | but which logs? dmesg...? |
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| 20:22.28 | bmoloney | kristian-aalborg: messages (or syslog) and dmesg are good places to start. Then look at anything else you think might be related... |
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| 20:23.30 | menhi | Hello, is it possible to have per-program settings in gconf so that different programs read different values for the same property? |
| 20:23.52 | menhi | I want to use HTTP proxies with _some_ GNOME programs, and they all rely on the global proxy settings. |
| 20:24.11 | pipeline | No. |
| 20:25.15 | jcw9 | Couldn't you run them under different users and then use xauth to let them connect to the same X display |
| 20:25.24 | m0t3jl | Is it possible to manually skip configuration of a certain package? |
| 20:25.41 | menhi | jcw9: Yeah, I could... |
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| 20:25.51 | jcw9 | menhi: Or you could set up a PAC file.... if gnome supports it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config |
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| 20:27.13 | menhi | jcw9: That seems to be per-URL rather than per-program. |
| 20:27.22 | alexxio | how can i check from remote shell if there is a new debian update (i'm on sqeeze) |
| 20:27.24 | alexxio | ? |
| 20:27.43 | jcw9 | menhi: yea, I just realized that, but I was hoping it might be still helpful in some way |
| 20:28.16 | alexxio | 2) i get this error when running streamer (webcam capture program from shell): movie writer initialisation failed... who can i ask to solve this problem? |
| 20:28.17 | jcw9 | alexxio: do-release-upgrade |
| 20:28.33 | menhi | Running some programs as a different user means that they will not (easily) be able to talk to the others over D-Bus etc though. |
| 20:28.34 | jcw9 | Or is that ubuntu only? embarassed |
| 20:29.05 | jcw9 | menhi: Could you put a wrapper around the to swap out gconf setting when launching each/ |
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| 20:29.42 | menhi | jcw9: Don't gconf-aware programs get notified of changes while they are running? |
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| 20:30.05 | smacnay | Hi, I rebooted my machine recently and the keyboard and mouse no longer respond at the login screen. |
| 20:30.15 | smacnay | The keyboard does work at the GRUB prompting. |
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| 20:30.34 | menhi | smacnay: Have you tried the failsafe boot option? |
| 20:30.36 | smacnay | This is Debian testing. Can this happen after a machine is rebooted? |
| 20:30.53 | menhi | I've never seen it. |
| 20:30.55 | smacnay | menhi: no, I haven't. |
| 20:31.04 | nkuttler | smacnay: well.. can you ssh into the box? |
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| 20:31.09 | smacnay | I can ssh into the box and all is functioning well. |
| 20:31.19 | smacnay | let me restart X and the gem. |
| 20:31.28 | smacnay | gem - damn spell check |
| 20:31.32 | smacnay | gdm |
| 20:32.20 | menhi | Hm. It's too bad the cmd-owner filter in iptables doesn't work, or I could use that to redirect things transparently. |
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| 20:36.48 | tomlabirt | may i ask sb about a problem? |
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| 20:37.34 | dreamer | ok, I'm trying to upgrade my easydebian install on my n900 with 'aptitude safe-upgrade' but it sometimes looses the connection, so when I retry it completely recalculates all dependencies and it frankly just takes too long. is there a way to tell aptitude to just install the packages it already selected the previous time? |
| 20:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: The way it works is you just ask, and if someone is available and knows an answer they chip in. |
| 20:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: Upgrade from what to what? |
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| 20:39.07 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: upgrade any packages that are old? |
| 20:39.11 | dreamer | I dunno, get it up to date |
| 20:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: So not from one release to another. |
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| 20:39.46 | dreamer | the easydebian image I got is kind of a lenny/squeeze mix and it has some really old packages |
| 20:39.50 | dreamer | (both are in the sources list) |
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| 20:40.37 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: So this isn't actual debian, and won't match what we know for debian support, and we are likely to give you advice that would help real debian but will destroy your system. |
| 20:40.47 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: I tried upgrading (not d-u) with apt, but it kept breaking. I haven't used aptitude in ages. so I wanted to try that |
| 20:41.05 | dreamer | it said initially that 'aptitude upgrade' was deprecated and I should use 'safe-upgrade' instead |
| 20:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: Sounds like a mess. |
| 20:41.30 | dreamer | no kidding :P |
| 20:41.38 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: I would probably recommend reading the instructions on upgrading debian lenny to squeeze and start with that. |
| 20:41.44 | dreamer | and I just want to try some pd-extended build on my n900 -_- |
| 20:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:41.51 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
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| 20:42.24 | dreamer | ok, not going to work. it's a chroot so I can't install any kernel |
| 20:42.51 | dreamer | or do I just do the upgrade and leave it at that? |
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| 20:43.22 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: Well, apt-get is recommended for the upgrade because of problems with dependency loops in aptitude, you could try that, but I would work to eliminate the mixed release if you can. |
| 20:43.35 | dreamer | understand |
| 20:43.47 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: This is where it would help if I had a clue what easydebian was supposed to be. |
| 20:43.58 | dreamer | so just remove all lenny references and update && upgrade then? |
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| 20:44.45 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: it's a chroot containing a debian-based filesystem within maemo |
| 20:44.48 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: So this is a host thing that creates a Debian install for the n900 and transfers it? |
| 20:44.57 | dreamer | that can run an lxde environment or other applications |
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| 20:45.08 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: What's your host system running? |
| 20:45.13 | dreamer | maemo |
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| 20:45.27 | dreamer | 2.6.28 kernel (that's tweaked for power-users) |
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| 20:45.39 | andornaut | anyone else having problems with the latest pidgin in testing? xmpp logins stopped working for me (pidgin in windows or epiphany work). |
| 20:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | Um, mameo is the development environment, which runs on what, Linux? Windows? |
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| 20:46.13 | dreamer | maemo is an opperating system based on debian. running on linux |
| 20:46.19 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: See I'm thinking that there may be problems if you upgrade _everything_ to squeeze and mameo needs a lenny version for some reason. |
| 20:46.24 | dreamer | how is maemo a 'development environment' ? |
| 20:46.29 | pipeline | maemo is not debian |
| 20:46.33 | jhutchins_lt | That's not a current kernel. |
| 20:46.35 | pipeline | ask the maemo guys what to do |
| 20:46.35 | dreamer | pipeline: I never said is |
| 20:46.48 | dreamer | pipeline: like I wouldn't say that ubuntu is debian |
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| 20:47.16 | dreamer | but ok, the "based" is rather broad within maemo's terms |
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| 20:47.59 | dreamer | anyway, I was hanging around there already. no replies and I just had a single question on aptitude |
| 20:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: I really think there's a good chance that following advice appriopriate for Debian could have unhappy results if what you're really running isn't Debian. |
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| 20:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: You could try apt-get instead. |
| 20:48.48 | dreamer | well I'm just messing in the chroot, so I don't care if anything messes up |
| 20:49.07 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: but, remove lenny from the sources list, keep the squeeze entries and just try an upgrade with apt-get? |
| 20:50.03 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: It would be an experiment. I'd start with the mameo sources list, then maybe try commenting lenny out and see if it kills it. |
| 20:50.25 | jhutchins_lt | dreamer: You can make backup snapshots of the chroot to fall back to if it messes up. |
| 20:50.26 | dreamer | what does the sources-list of maemo have anything to do with it? |
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| 20:50.44 | dreamer | I don't have anything to fall back to. it's a new image already |
| 20:50.49 | dreamer | if it screws up I just start over |
| 20:50.57 | tomlabirt | thx, so first of all, I'm hungarian and sorry for my english. My problem is :I've made a complete disk image from a hard drive via "dd" and i want to copy it to an other hdd, but the source hdd had 2 partitions one is about 100 megs and another is about 59.9 gigs. The 59 gigs partition has no data but it takes a long to copy it. Is there any way to copy only the MBR and the partition information and the 100 megs partition to a second ha |
| 20:50.58 | tomlabirt | rd drive, and the 59 gigs partition be an empty partition? |
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| 20:51.18 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't look like mameo has an irc channel. |
| 20:51.34 | dreamer | maemo* |
| 20:51.36 | PerfDave | Wasn't there an irc.maemo.org for a while? |
| 20:51.43 | dreamer | they are on freenode |
| 20:51.44 | BlakBat | hi. what's the correct way to disable 70-persistent-net.rules from ever being recreated? I changed the names and set static hwaddr in the file |
| 20:51.49 | dreamer | iirc |
| 20:51.51 | BlakBat | thanks |
| 20:51.52 | dreamer | maybe oftc. not sure |
| 20:52.06 | dreamer | yup, freenode |
| 20:52.51 | pipeline | BlakBat: create an empty file and chattr +i it |
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| 20:54.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, 351 nics if you spell it right. |
| 20:54.26 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't seem to be on oftc. |
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| 20:55.06 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: yes, spelling is hard ;) |
| 20:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: as far as I know dd doesn't work that way. |
| 20:55.46 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: clonezilla uses something that doesn't hard-copy blank space. |
| 20:55.49 | BlakBat | pipeline: didn't think of that (the chattr +i) |
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| 20:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | !70 |
| 20:56.12 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 20:59.39 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt, Thank You. And when i have data on the bigger partition but i dont need it and i want to be it empty can i use this clonezilla? |
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| 21:02.56 | Guthur | what is the safest way to play with backports? |
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| 21:03.25 | Guthur | I wanted to pull the latest iceweasel without much else, but it immediately wants to update somethings |
| 21:03.51 | babilen | Guthur: Are you pulling it from http://mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 21:04.09 | Guthur | babilen: yep |
| 21:04.34 | Guthur | oh wait |
| 21:04.34 | Guthur | doh |
| 21:04.51 | Guthur | I went and cut a pasted to many sources, phew |
| 21:04.54 | babilen | Guthur: Ah, just provide all output of whatever command you executed and your sources.list on http://paste.debian.net -- I am sure that it just wants to update some additional cairo packages. That is needed and will actually lead to better font rendering on TFTs, so is actually quite desirable. |
| 21:05.10 | babilen | Guthur: so, pebkac? |
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| 21:05.36 | Guthur | not i add backports.debian.org as well |
| 21:06.07 | babilen | So, what is the problem now? |
| 21:06.42 | Guthur | it wants to upgrade a cairo package pixman and sqlite |
| 21:07.22 | Guthur | babilen: sorry I just being cautious last night I pulled too much from backports (dist-upgrade) and FUBAR xserver-xorg with regard to fglrx |
| 21:07.56 | jelly-home | backports should not let you dist-upgrade to them |
| 21:08.27 | Guthur | umm, i definitely got more than usual |
| 21:08.39 | Guthur | usual/bargained for |
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| 21:08.46 | jelly-home | I think that would require an extraordinary command line (or pinning) screwup |
| 21:08.53 | Guthur | I brought down kernel 39.* |
| 21:08.57 | TehRabbitt | Hey, not sure whats going on, but I can't seem to download from any archive mirrors :-\ |
| 21:09.02 | TehRabbitt | i'm installing on a VM / ESXi |
| 21:09.14 | TehRabbitt | I can ping my machine from other hosts after setting up networking |
| 21:09.19 | TehRabbitt | but no internet access |
| 21:09.19 | Guthur | jelly-home: yeah not beyond reason that that happened |
| 21:09.28 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: do you have a working internet connection in the other way |
| 21:09.36 | TehRabbitt | what do you mean |
| 21:09.40 | TehRabbitt | from the ESXi server? |
| 21:09.43 | Guthur | thank God it was only a recent install so not much lost |
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| 21:09.57 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: can you do a "ping google.com" from the guest |
| 21:09.57 | pipeline | TehRabbitt: you don't have a default gateway set |
| 21:10.09 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: the installer shell doesn't have "ping" |
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| 21:10.10 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 21:10.19 | Guthur | this time I'd like to exercise a little more caution, but I'd still like somethings from backports, mainly recent iceweael |
| 21:10.19 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: it might have wget |
| 21:10.27 | Guthur | iceweasel* |
| 21:10.39 | TehRabbitt | hm it has wget |
| 21:11.08 | TehRabbitt | tried wget http://www.google.com and I get "bad address" |
| 21:11.09 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 21:11.30 | TehRabbitt | i'm guessing DNS? |
| 21:11.31 | dTal | google might be down |
| 21:11.34 | dTal | let me check |
| 21:11.35 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 21:11.41 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: did you set up networking in the vm yet? pastebin a screenshot with "route -n" and "ifconfig -a" output and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 21:11.46 | dTal | ...nope it's up |
| 21:11.50 | TehRabbitt | dTal: It's Never lupis... :-| |
| 21:11.56 | jelly-home | lupus |
| 21:12.01 | TehRabbitt | errr thanks :-D |
| 21:12.12 | jelly-home | not even in jail |
| 21:12.12 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: well i'm using the installer on the CD |
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| 21:13.35 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: gimme a second, i'm working on the screencap now |
| 21:13.47 | jelly-home | probably going to be a couple of 'em |
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| 21:14.27 | jelly-home | route -n first, it would confirm or bust pipeline's diagnosis |
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| 21:15.01 | TehRabbitt | http://www.tehrabbitt.com/networking.png |
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| 21:15.58 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: Sorry, I have a misbehaving server. Clonezilla is a general purpose CD for cloning and/or backing up disks/partitions. It's a live CD so you're not trying to run from the system you're cloning. |
| 21:15.58 | TehRabbitt | wait |
| 21:16.02 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home I see the problem i think |
| 21:16.05 | TehRabbitt | :-| |
| 21:16.12 | TehRabbitt | just caught it now |
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| 21:17.03 | TehRabbitt | wrong nameserver 0_0 |
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| 21:18.19 | jelly-home | yay! |
| 21:18.33 | jelly-home | I'm 0kay with that |
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| 21:18.58 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: thanks... honestly I didn't think to check resolv.conf 0_o |
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| 21:19.18 | smacnay | Is there a command to refresh the plug and play portion of the os? The mouse and keyboard work before linux starts up so it has to do with software. I did recently remove the monitor from the machine and plug it back in. I also removed the eth cable and plugged it back in. I can't imagine that causing a mouse and keyboard to not work. |
| 21:19.19 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: it used 10.5.1.2 by default, which is the internal DNS not the external DNS X_X haha |
| 21:19.27 | jelly-home | that's why we have friendly volunteers to check the MOST obvious things instead of you |
| 21:19.28 | BlakBat | another question about udev: i can't seem to find ATTR{serial} for my hard drives (not usb drives). hdparm shows them correctly. How do i make persistant drive names according to serial numbers? |
| 21:19.40 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt, The problem is that i dont have here the source hdd, but i have an IMG file what i copied via dd it took about 2 hours, and i want to put it to another harddrive but for me the system partition is important |
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| 21:19.50 | BlakBat | google only had USB examples |
| 21:20.34 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: You could mount the image via loopback and then rsync, or just copy the partition with data. |
| 21:20.36 | jelly-home | BlakBat: do you not have /dev/disk/by-id/ populated? |
| 21:20.37 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: yea, it's usually the simple things that you bang your head against the keyboard being all WTF and then you're all "Ohhhhh whoops" 0_0 lol... |
| 21:20.50 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: It might just be quicker to let it run than playing around to find the perfect option. |
| 21:20.54 | TehRabbitt | awesome... now i can't download from the mirror :-\ |
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| 21:21.32 | BlakBat | jelly-home: yes I do. |
| 21:21.33 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: remember to take short breaks every 30-45 minutes to clear your head |
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| 21:22.07 | jelly-home | BlakBat: but it's not good enough I guess? |
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| 21:22.13 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: yea, I'm guilty of plugging along non-stop until everything is a blur, I miss one little thing, and then i'm pulling my hair out over something so simple i'm like X_X when I realize it |
| 21:22.49 | BlakBat | jelly-home: no. at reboot some drives change their names. I guess it's because there not connected to the mobo but to a raid controller card. |
| 21:23.14 | BlakBat | jelly-home: all six drives are the same brand and size, only the serial is different. |
| 21:23.44 | TehRabbitt | BlakBat: I remember there's a way to do it via GUID if i recall correctly... but i'm not sure if that helps |
| 21:23.48 | jelly-home | BlakBat: but /dev/disk/by-id/ shows something like serial numbers for me (on debian testing tho) |
| 21:23.59 | jelly-home | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct 15 12:27 ata-WDC_WD10EARS-00Y5B1_WD-WMAV51452416 -> ../../sdc |
| 21:24.30 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.56 | BlakBat | jelly-home: yep, I got the model-serial in by-id, i also got the serial via hdparm, but udevadm info (...) doesn't show any serial for those drives. |
| 21:25.21 | jelly-home | I don't know where the default udev setup gets it from |
| 21:25.22 | TehRabbitt | Hm, now i'm having an issue that it's failing to grab the time from the NTP server during install |
| 21:25.28 | TehRabbitt | it keeps failing at "configure the clock" |
| 21:25.38 | jelly-home | so configure the clock manually |
| 21:25.43 | jelly-home | for the time being |
| 21:25.51 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: true... does the shell support date? |
| 21:26.07 | TehRabbitt | nope :-\ |
| 21:26.10 | jelly-home | can you do it from the installer menus? |
| 21:26.14 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt, Maybe U've right, but i want to ask you one more question: Is there any way to copy only the partition information from an img file to the hard drive? So can i clone the properties of the hard drive to the other? |
| 21:26.26 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home, Nope, it only gives me the option for NTP |
| 21:26.32 | TehRabbitt | which I think is kinda screwed up |
| 21:26.43 | TehRabbitt | like, there's no way to manually set it |
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| 21:26.52 | TehRabbitt | unless maybe I need to download that installer component |
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| 21:28.17 | TehRabbitt | btw, when is btrfs going to be stable / have fsck utils? |
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| 21:28.40 | jelly-home | dunno. When is ext4 going to be stable? |
| 21:28.48 | gimpy0138 | TehRabbitt: Within a few years would be my guess. |
| 21:28.50 | flocky | Hello. When i try to start mysql it says No space left on device. Is there any way to increase this space? Thanks. |
| 21:28.52 | TehRabbitt | isn't ext4 stable though? |
| 21:28.59 | TehRabbitt | and reccomended now? |
| 21:29.08 | jelly-home | good question / not enough for me |
| 21:29.20 | themill | flocky: delete porn from /var |
| 21:29.25 | gimpy0138 | He's joking. ext4 is stable as far as developers care, it's up to you if it is too new to use. |
| 21:29.32 | jelly-home | I'm not joking. |
| 21:30.11 | TehRabbitt | I mean the only problems I see with ext4, is backwards compatibility with recovery software etc... like, if your drive crashes, or you start getting bad blocks, I know there's ext3 support in alot of those programs, but idk how it will play with ext4 |
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| 21:30.35 | gimpy0138 | Recovery? Why not do proper backups like a sane person? |
| 21:30.41 | TehRabbitt | also, is there any advantage of using a different partition table type on a new drive? |
| 21:30.48 | TehRabbitt | gimpy0138: I do, i'm just saying worst case scenario |
| 21:30.50 | jelly-home | try putting some load on it, say, a heavily used postfix spool |
| 21:31.05 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: doesn't perform well? |
| 21:31.18 | TehRabbitt | <-- has always been a fan of JFS :-\ |
| 21:31.23 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: errors out and remounts-ro, last time I tried |
| 21:31.34 | TehRabbitt | geez 0_o yea... good to know |
| 21:31.46 | gimpy0138 | I use ext4 on my new prod servers. |
| 21:32.17 | jelly-home | (errors after a couple days/weeks, not right away) |
| 21:32.22 | TehRabbitt | is there any advantage of using a different partition table type other than msdos? like idk, "sun" or "bsd" ? |
| 21:32.55 | TehRabbitt | i mean if I recall, msdos == you can dualboot |
| 21:33.14 | TehRabbitt | but if it's strictly a linux machine, is msdos still best practice? or would you be be better off with like gpt or bsd? |
| 21:33.20 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: only if you hit limitations of msdos, eg. on a device larger than 2TiB |
| 21:33.32 | TehRabbitt | i know windows 7 = gpt by default |
| 21:33.40 | jelly-home | do you need dualboot? |
| 21:33.44 | TehRabbitt | Nope I don't |
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| 21:34.10 | TehRabbitt | so basically you're saying unless i'm dealing with a storage array thats like 10TB in size, they're all pretty much the same? |
| 21:34.23 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 21:35.04 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: it's good to know... esp since next machine I might build might have a RAID1 of 3TB drives once i buy the drives lol |
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| 21:35.19 | jelly-home | and if you need a 10TiB array why would you go and slice it into smaller pieces |
| 21:35.31 | TehRabbitt | what do you mean slice it into smaller pieces? |
| 21:35.40 | jelly-home | "partition it" |
| 21:35.43 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
| 21:35.53 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to urgently restore one users mailbox which is on icedove. I think i nearly managed, but when firing up icedove it wants to be configured. Any ideas? |
| 21:35.55 | TehRabbitt | jelly-home: so what would you do in that case for future refrence? |
| 21:36.18 | TehRabbitt | i'm guessing if it was like a "sun" array, you'd choose "sun" partition table type? |
| 21:36.28 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt: use the device directly, screw partitioning |
| 21:36.31 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
| 21:36.38 | jelly-home | except for the system disk |
| 21:37.07 | gimpy0138 | I use one big partition then use LVM to carve out as needed. |
| 21:37.12 | TehRabbitt | so really the only time i'd ever need to really change anything there is if I was using one of those nice shiny new 2.5-3TB drives as a system disk |
| 21:37.31 | jelly-home | and no, I'd still use only msdos or gpt |
| 21:37.33 | TehRabbitt | gimpy0138: Never used LVM tbh... |
| 21:38.08 | jelly-home | gimpy0138: why use a partition? |
| 21:38.24 | gimpy0138 | TehRabbitt: Try it, it's pretty easy to use and has many good features like snapshots and even expanding live volumes. |
| 21:38.32 | TehRabbitt | Oh, and also... doesn't GPT also support more than 4 primary partitions IIRC? |
| 21:38.43 | TehRabbitt | gimpy0138: I think I might :-D |
| 21:38.56 | gimpy0138 | jelly-home: Just what I've always done. Some tools are unhappy about using sdx instead of sdx1. |
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| 21:41.20 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt, I've found it, i can do it with dd but thanx for helping me |
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| 21:43.35 | n-iCe | any idea, please? |
| 21:43.35 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# modprobe iwlagn |
| 21:43.36 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 21:43.49 | TehRabbitt | so there's still no fsck for btrfs? |
| 21:43.56 | TehRabbitt | or there is, it's just not fully stable? |
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| 21:45.35 | blackswan | so, i came back to debian after upgrading to ubuntu oneiric borked up my laptop, and i have a question. if i install wheezy's version of evolution on a pure squeeze system, will it drag in and upgrade all the gnome stuff to 3.0, or can gnome 3.0 stuff coexist with gnome 2.0 stuff? |
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| 21:50.29 | blackswan | or does wheezy even use gnome 3? i assumed it did because of evolution's version number, but now i'm not so sure |
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| 21:52.19 | babilen | !tell blackswan -about gnome3 |
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| 21:53.01 | babilen | blackswan: Gnome3 (3.0/3.2) components are currently transitioning into sid -- Selected ones might have reached wheezy, but take a look at th detailed overview dpkg mentioned. |
| 21:53.11 | blackswan | thx |
| 21:53.21 | babilen | s/transitioning/being uploaded :) |
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| 21:54.45 | mrtn_ | Is there a difference between "kernel module" and driver? |
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| 21:55.35 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: you can either have device support "built-in" to the kernel (good for devices that are needed to load hard drives, or networking for instance)... or you can load device support using modules once the system is booted |
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| 21:56.24 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: think of it this way, a module *is* a "driver"... in the sense that it helps support a device such as a RAID card. |
| 21:56.43 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: ah -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze |
| 21:56.55 | dreamer | actually I've seen this rebooting one time before .. |
| 21:56.57 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: now if that device is needed for boot of the kernel itself, you wouldn't use a module, you'd have the support built directly into the kernel |
| 21:57.05 | dreamer | didn't set the nice level just now /o\ |
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| 21:57.38 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: but for most things after the system is loaded, such as ppp support, or lets say, a USB printer... using a module to load support is better |
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| 21:58.53 | mrtn_ | TehRabbitt, ok, I see. Thanks! So driver is the same thing under Linux as module? |
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| 21:59.05 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: equivilant, yes |
| 21:59.24 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: the module adds support for the device |
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| 21:59.33 | cupantae | hi, i'm having trouble connecting to my home wifi with debian testing. it has been working with stable and previously even with testing |
| 21:59.43 | TehRabbitt | mrtn_: modules also add support for different filesystems too for instance... not always a physical device |
| 21:59.47 | n-iCe | any idea? |
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| 21:59.49 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# modprobe iwlagn |
| 21:59.51 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 21:59.57 | cupantae | the device uses the wl module and the connection is wpa-personal |
| 22:00.10 | mrtn_ | TehRabbitt, ok, I see :) |
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| 22:00.24 | cupantae | both networkmanager and wicd complain of a bad passphrase, but this is wrong |
| 22:00.45 | CrazyGir | hello! I recently updated my debian squeeze laptop and lost the ability to view/connect to wireless networks via the standard network manager, digging into dmesg/iwconfig, I'm not sure if the card is even seen any more |
| 22:01.08 | cupantae | ok, maybe same problem as CrazyGir! |
| 22:01.23 | cupantae | but mine is shown by iwconfig |
| 22:01.25 | CrazyGir | no, no bad passphrase here.. |
| 22:01.37 | CrazyGir | no device, no networks, no wifi |
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| 22:01.52 | cupantae | oh yeah sorry. i CAN see the networks, just not connect |
| 22:02.09 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: what manager are you using? |
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| 22:02.22 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: I've used wicd in the past with good success |
| 22:02.25 | CrazyGir | the default? |
| 22:03.03 | CrazyGir | dunno about wicd, though I will check it out |
| 22:03.14 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: are you using KDE or Gnome? |
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| 22:03.37 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: If network-manager was working switching to wicd is not the best thing to try. |
| 22:03.44 | CrazyGir | I'm not seeing the device with iwconfig, so I'm concerned a kernel updated may have goofed this up? I'm not really sure with wifi.. this all just worked flawlessly before the update |
| 22:03.59 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: Did you upgrade from lenny, or just do a squeeze-squeeze update? |
| 22:04.00 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_lt: yea, that is noted for later |
| 22:04.04 | TehRabbitt | hm |
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| 22:04.20 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt: wicd doesn't see some network cards. |
| 22:04.22 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_lt: why don't you like wicd? |
| 22:04.24 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
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| 22:04.35 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: upgrade from what to what? |
| 22:04.44 | cupantae | then again, wicd gives more feedback, which can be helpful |
| 22:04.45 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_lt: didn't know that... I just like the interface / I feel it works "better" with troublesome networks sometimes |
| 22:04.52 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_lt: this was a stock squeeze install, I update every now and again, I believe i have done so since adding squeeze-backports and the mozilla/tor repos |
| 22:05.10 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: what does lspci show? |
| 22:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: squeeze-squeeze shouldn't break your wifi |
| 22:05.17 | CrazyGir | right :) |
| 22:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: Which kernel? |
| 22:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt: I also like to stick with the defaults - more likely to be supported. |
| 22:05.46 | CrazyGir | is lspci in another pacakge? |
| 22:05.58 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: just out of curiosity... dos your laptop have a "wifi switch"? I drove myself nuts one day because it was set to "off" and I couldnt' figure out why it couldn't see the card |
| 22:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: Should run as root, list pci devices. |
| 22:06.02 | CrazyGir | yea, this is my work laptop, I like it just working :) |
| 22:06.09 | CrazyGir | I hack (and break) elsewhere |
| 22:06.14 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 22:06.30 | CrazyGir | ah |
| 22:06.39 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 22:06.39 | TehRabbitt | make sure the switch isn't set to off |
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| 22:06.41 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# modprobe iwlagn |
| 22:06.43 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 22:06.52 | CrazyGir | TehRabbitt: it does, and in debian I am not sure how to check it's statuc |
| 22:06.55 | CrazyGir | status |
| 22:07.01 | CrazyGir | though I have pushed it to test |
| 22:07.09 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: open a console and type "lspci" |
| 22:07.13 | TehRabbitt | and pastebin the result |
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| 22:07.19 | TehRabbitt | make sure to do it as root |
| 22:07.33 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_lt: Linux sirius 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:08.03 | TehRabbitt | quick question, which kernel is better to use with 3.5GB of RAM? 2.6-686 or bigmem? |
| 22:08.14 | TehRabbitt | it wants to choose bigmem by default |
| 22:08.21 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt: bigmem |
| 22:08.23 | CrazyGir | TehRabbitt: I'm not familiar with wifi config in linux (it's the worst as I have experieced..) but I am familiar with the basics here |
| 22:08.40 | CrazyGir | 09:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
| 22:08.46 | TehRabbitt | so it is showing up... |
| 22:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8191 |
| 22:08.53 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 22:08.56 | TehRabbitt | try typing in "iwconfig" into a terminal |
| 22:08.58 | CrazyGir | that confirms the kernel sees it, correct? |
| 22:09.08 | TehRabbitt | pastebin the result |
| 22:09.18 | CrazyGir | no wireless extensions for all devices |
| 22:09.26 | CrazyGir | and there's no eth1 |
| 22:09.32 | TehRabbitt | it won't show up as eth1 |
| 22:09.32 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: try lspci -nn and let's grab the pciid |
| 22:09.35 | TehRabbitt | it'll show up as wlan0 |
| 22:09.39 | CrazyGir | only my tuns and bridges |
| 22:09.43 | CrazyGir | no wlan |
| 22:09.48 | TehRabbitt | do what jhutchins_lt said |
| 22:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | TehRabbitt: Depends on the device. |
| 22:10.02 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_lt: true... I had one device show up rather weird once :-\ |
| 22:10.11 | CrazyGir | 09:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8172] (rev 10) |
| 22:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 10ec:8172 |
| 22:10.31 | judd | [10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192se' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 22:10.43 | jhutchins_lt | WTF? |
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| 22:10.57 | TehRabbitt | now that is weird 0_0 |
| 22:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: You said it was working before on squeeze with .32? |
| 22:11.29 | jhutchins_lt | If it got dropped for some reason you'd think it'd be in the factoid. That's not a new card or anything. |
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| 22:11.51 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_lt: .32 as in the kernel rev? |
| 22:11.51 | TehRabbitt | since when did newer kernels drop support of older hardware :-\ |
| 22:12.06 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: yes |
| 22:12.28 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_lt: I wonder if there's a module CrazyGir can compile |
| 22:12.32 | CrazyGir | yea, I believe this is the only kernel update I have seen since actually installing the laptop |
| 22:12.37 | TehRabbitt | unless it has alot of deps from sid |
| 22:12.43 | CrazyGir | I only setup squeeze on this laptop like a month ago |
| 22:12.53 | TehRabbitt | what kind of laptop is it, i'm just curious |
| 22:13.01 | TehRabbitt | i'm guessing dell |
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| 22:13.11 | CrazyGir | lenovo thinkpad, I forget which model |
| 22:13.15 | TehRabbitt | 0_0 |
| 22:13.17 | TehRabbitt | hmph |
| 22:13.31 | CrazyGir | they aren't as easy to remember as they used to be |
| 22:13.33 | CrazyGir | :P |
| 22:13.44 | TehRabbitt | I would think lenovo would use intel or a more widely supported chipest' |
| 22:13.47 | TehRabbitt | chipset* |
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| 22:14.00 | CrazyGir | relatively new, only about 9 months old |
| 22:14.05 | CrazyGir | yea, I would agree |
| 22:14.23 | themill | that chipset seems to be only supported from the 3.0 kernel onwards |
| 22:14.29 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_lt: do you think that the module could have been previously supported, and now it's considered unsupported again after the fact? |
| 22:14.42 | CrazyGir | should I build this as a module or something? |
| 22:14.51 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: not if there isn't support for it |
| 22:14.56 | CrazyGir | or should I just drop back to a previous kernel? |
| 22:15.11 | CrazyGir | hrm |
| 22:15.22 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: for compatibility, personally i'd just swap out the physical card with a different known supported card, like an intel ABG |
| 22:15.43 | CrazyGir | as a topic on the side: any recommendations for a USB wifi card that works >great< with debian? |
| 22:16.01 | CrazyGir | yea, though this worked fine before the update |
| 22:16.06 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Pro-3945ABG-Mini-PCI-Express-Wireless-Card-laptop-/120689741035?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c19ab4ceb |
| 22:16.09 | CrazyGir | sadface |
| 22:16.15 | TehRabbitt | it's my favorite card under linux |
| 22:16.22 | TehRabbitt | 3945ABG |
| 22:16.39 | TehRabbitt | you can find them anywhere from 5-15 bucks on ebay |
| 22:16.49 | CrazyGir | hmmm, I'd have to pul this open to confirm I have space |
| 22:17.02 | TehRabbitt | just take out the old card, put it aside and put the intel one in |
| 22:17.20 | TehRabbitt | then when the 3.0 kernel goes stable.... just put the other card back in if you want |
| 22:17.30 | CrazyGir | indeed |
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| 22:17.39 | CrazyGir | when is that expected? |
| 22:17.43 | CrazyGir | months, or weeks? |
| 22:18.03 | TehRabbitt | honestly the reason I like the 3945 is it's got pretty good support on any laptop / good range and compatibility across networks (supports A, B, and G as the title says) lol |
| 22:18.04 | CrazyGir | any way to easily drop back to the previous kernel without killing everything? |
| 22:18.04 | n-iCe | hello, I installed 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae from backports, but now when I try to load my wireless driver I get this error: FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 22:18.06 | TehRabbitt | Honestly I have no idea |
| 22:18.19 | CrazyGir | hah |
| 22:18.35 | TehRabbitt | also wonders, when is 3.0 going stable? anytime soon 0_0 or should I say, when is it going to be testing? |
| 22:18.38 | jhutchins_lt | 3.0 may not be backported to squeeze, there has been discussion |
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| 22:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:18.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 22:18.51 | CrazyGir | ok, so I will not bet on that |
| 22:19.04 | TehRabbitt | Hm |
| 22:19.21 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_lt: any reason why it won't be backported? |
| 22:19.22 | CrazyGir | hmmm.. seeing that, it's the squeeze-backports that picked up the new kenrel |
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| 22:19.40 | CrazyGir | is there a sensible way to drop that one bit, leaving backports for the rest? |
| 22:19.40 | themill | TehRabbitt, jhutchins_lt: there hasn't really been discussion at all. |
| 22:20.10 | themill | CrazyGir: packages are only installed from backports if you explicitly request them |
| 22:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | CrazyGir: You should still have the non-backports kernel, just try booting to it. That'll be .32 instead of .39, but the database doesn't know that it was supported. |
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| 22:20.36 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Any idea what caused this? |
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| 22:20.57 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_lt: I follow you, with the exception of the " but the database doesn't know that it was supported." bit |
| 22:21.03 | themill | makes no sense at all -- that driver wasn't added to the mainline kernel until 3,x so it should never have worked before |
| 22:21.07 | brainsoft | hi, i run debian sid and i did apt-get dist-upgrade and whole gnome environment changed to gnome3 which sucks how can I go back to previous system? |
| 22:21.31 | CrazyGir | themill: are you referring to my wifi? |
| 22:21.36 | themill | yes |
| 22:21.39 | CrazyGir | funny |
| 22:22.06 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: did you get my PM? |
| 22:22.21 | TehRabbitt | about the card? |
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| 22:22.37 | n-iCe | , kernel |
| 22:22.38 | n-iCe | , kernels |
| 22:22.38 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 22:23.25 | TehRabbitt | brb |
| 22:24.16 | CrazyGir | if this module was never in the kernel, I must either be crazy or mistaken |
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| 22:24.38 | CrazyGir | I'm positive I have been on a cafe wifi a few times since installing |
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| 22:29.57 | lidenbrock | hi |
| 22:30.15 | lidenbrock | I'm having trouble on reinstalling my grub after a windows' instalation. |
| 22:30.19 | lidenbrock | How can I fix it? |
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| 22:32.49 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: you still here? |
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| 22:34.46 | lidenbrock | can anybody help? |
| 22:34.51 | TehRabbitt | CrazyGir: you here still? |
| 22:35.21 | babilen | !tell lidenbrock -about fixmbr |
| 22:35.26 | babilen | !tell lidenbrock -about dual boot guide |
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| 22:37.27 | oldtopman | What do I add to my software sources list to get all of the packages. |
| 22:37.28 | oldtopman | ? |
| 22:37.44 | lidenbrock | ty |
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| 22:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody have a link on how to test a TLS login on a mail server? |
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| 22:39.40 | PerfDave | Test in what way? Configure a mail client to use it, and see whether it works, and check the server logs if it doesn't? |
| 22:40.20 | jhutchins_lt | do a test login to relay mail |
| 22:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | We had a server go down, and when it came back up nobody could send. |
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| 22:41.02 | jhutchins_lt | kmail tells me that the server doesn't offer PLAIN, but the header says it does. |
| 22:41.42 | PerfDave | telnet & stunnel? |
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| 22:43.08 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: or openssh or something, I've done it before but it's not something I do enough to do without a script. |
| 22:43.22 | PerfDave | I wouldn't use openssh to test logins to a mailserver. |
| 22:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | Whatever works and gives me feedback. |
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| 22:45.10 | PerfDave | TBH I can't see how you'd use SSH to test a mailserver, but never mind. |
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| 22:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | If you can point me to a script I'd really appreciate it, I don't care what it uses. |
| 22:46.31 | nkuttler | jhutchins_lt: iirc you can use openssl to open a test connection |
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| 22:47.12 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: That's kinda what I remember, you use openssl to do the encryption. Openssl, not openssh, sorry. |
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| 22:48.20 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Sorry, I test my mailservers by hand |
| 22:48.21 | jhutchins_lt | This may be it: http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#cs-www |
| 22:48.37 | themill | PerfDave: doing the TLS by hand must be fun |
| 22:49.33 | PerfDave | themill: I'm just that good |
| 22:49.40 | themill | ;) |
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| 22:53.37 | n-iCe | I plug a usb but it does not appear, how can I know where in dev it is to mount it |
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| 22:55.19 | abrotman | n-iCe: dmesg |
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| 22:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | ok, openssl s_client will connect, but I don't know the commands to log in. |
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| 23:01.28 | SmartIRC | test message |
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| 23:01.41 | n-iCe | root@debian:/mnt# umount /dev/sda1 |
| 23:01.41 | n-iCe | umount: /: device is busy. |
| 23:01.41 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.41 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.43 | abrotman | beat me .. darn it |
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| 23:04.36 | mrtn_ | I would like to find out which package has "make" utility in it. How to check this with dpkg? |
| 23:05.02 | PerfDave | mrtn_: dpkg -S if you have it installed |
| 23:05.10 | themill | mrtn_: dpkg -S (or dlocate, or apt-file) |
| 23:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | ok, closer: http://goodingredients.org/recipe/articles/email3/smtp-testing.html#connecting-to-different-configurations-of-smtp-server |
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| 23:06.26 | emorris | Is there a way to make Debian reboot the system properly, rather than doing it's strange soft boot thing? |
| 23:06.30 | brainsoft | hi, i ru debian sid |
| 23:06.35 | emorris | its* |
| 23:06.44 | abrotman | that is a reboot ? |
| 23:06.45 | brainsoft | how can i go back from gnome3 to gnome2? |
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| 23:06.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | brainsoft: install stable |
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| 23:07.26 | abrotman | and then get used to gnome3 anyway .. cause you won't have a choice eventually |
| 23:08.36 | babilen | brainsoft: Heed abrotman's advice, but you might like gnome-session-fallback in the interim. |
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| 23:08.45 | brainsoft | i edited sources.list to lenny but i had broken dependency and couldnt install gnome2 |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | you can't do that .. you have to *reinstall* |
| 23:09.25 | babilen | brainsoft: lenny? Which branch are you tracking? |
| 23:09.28 | abrotman | "I want bleeding edge .. til I don't like it" |
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| 23:10.38 | brainsoft | im just fucked cos of apt upgrading i didnt know i would have to use gnome3 i didnt even know they would change that much |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | what did you think running unstable meant? |
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| 23:11.46 | abrotman | so make a backup of stuff you need .. and install squeeze |
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| 23:11.55 | brainsoft | ok |
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| 23:12.12 | abrotman | and when wheezy releases and oyu get gnome3 anyway .. you'll know it was coming |
| 23:12.25 | abrotman | realistically .. either get used to gnome3 or find another WM like XFCE or something |
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| 23:12.55 | brainsoft | gnome2 was perfect for me kde sucks hell ill had to find something |
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| 23:14.12 | babilen | brainsoft: Use gnome3, gnome-session-fallback or a different DE/WM ... whining here won't help ;) |
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| 23:14.36 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, this has the full procedure: http://goodingredients.org/recipe/articles/email3/smtp-testing.html#testing-plain-authenticated-unencrypted-smtp |
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| 23:15.21 | brainsoft | i like gnome-session-fallback thank you guys |
| 23:16.40 | HeavyMetal | hi what is bdi-default since its using 100% of one of my CPU? |
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| 23:16.50 | tharkun | Practical answer you will endup needing a more powerfull machine to run a desktop than to run a server |
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| 23:21.51 | n-iCe | anyidea, please |
| 23:21.51 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# modprobe iwlagn |
| 23:21.52 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 23:22.45 | mrtn_ | I need to install "make" utility to a machine, which can not use apt packaging system. I downloaded "make" source code, but it requires C compiler. Is there a simple executable C compiler, which I could use like "./configure CC=/usr/local2/bin/gcc"? |
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| 23:23.02 | mrtn_ | detailed information can be found here: http://pastebin.com/KSxFLFKW |
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| 23:23.13 | abrotman | mrtn_: why can't you use apt ? |
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| 23:23.40 | HeavyMetal | hm i cannot seem to be able to kill bdi-default |
| 23:23.44 | n-iCe | mrtn_: apt-get install build-essentials |
| 23:24.04 | mrtn_ | abrotman, the server is behind strict firewall which allows only ssh so I scp source files to a server. Unfortunately I don't manage the firewall. |
| 23:24.06 | n-iCe | abrotman: any idea about my error? I installed a kernel from backports but now I am getting that error trying to load my wireless module |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | mrtn_: if you can download the make sources, you can download the make packages |
| 23:24.41 | abrotman | !tell mrtn_ about apt-zip |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you install the firmware? |
| 23:25.10 | n-iCe | yes |
| 23:25.21 | mrtn_ | abrotman, I download the source files to another computer, then scp those source files to this specific server |
| 23:25.36 | PerfDave | mrtn_: This isn't a Debian question |
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| 23:26.34 | PerfDave | If it were a Debian question, you'd be asking how to install the make package on a machine with no web / ftp access, which is a seperate question. Building make from source is a terrible idea. |
| 23:26.34 | themill | mrtn_: why not scp the .debs then. Make your life easy, not hard. (or use apt-zip to automate some of this) |
| 23:27.13 | abrotman | mrtn_: use apt-zip |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | n-iCe: so check your logs in /var/log/ and see if there's more info |
| 23:27.47 | abrotman | n-iCe: are you sure even have an intel wifi card? |
| 23:27.59 | n-iCe | yes |
| 23:28.07 | n-iCe | it happened after installed the kernel |
| 23:28.16 | n-iCe | this one 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae |
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| 23:28.30 | abrotman | n-iCe: lspci -nn .. show us the line |
| 23:29.09 | n-iCe | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232] |
| 23:29.25 | abrotman | and there's no better error? |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | did you create an iwlagn file somewhere in /etc/ ? |
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| 23:29.41 | n-iCe | well that's the only error, is not listed in iwconfig |
| 23:29.49 | n-iCe | abrotman: I don't think so, should I? |
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| 23:30.11 | abrotman | go look .. grep -Ri iwlagn /etc/* |
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| 23:31.14 | n-iCe | got this /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:# PCI device 0x8086:0x4232 (iwlagn) |
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| 23:32.22 | abrotman | nothing else? |
| 23:32.26 | n-iCe | nope |
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| 23:35.25 | n-iCe | no more ideas abrotman ? |
| 23:35.29 | n-iCe | is all I need to keep debian |
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| 23:38.08 | abrotman | n-iCe: lsmod | grep iwl |
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| 23:38.39 | n-iCe | no imput |
| 23:38.41 | n-iCe | putput |
| 23:38.46 | n-iCe | output |
| 23:38.58 | Hydroxide | n-iCe: I missed the beginning of the conversation, so forgive me if this was already covered, but if you have an intel wifi card, you generally need the firmware-iwlwifi module installed, which is from the non-free archive |
| 23:39.06 | Hydroxide | err, the firmware-iwlwifi debian package |
| 23:39.12 | n-iCe | yeah it is installed |
| 23:39.14 | Hydroxide | ok |
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| 23:39.23 | themill | n-iCe: is the module file itself ok? /msg dpkg debsums" and double check. |
| 23:39.28 | n-iCe | this is the problem |
| 23:39.29 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# modprobe iwlagn |
| 23:39.29 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid module forma |
| 23:39.41 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# modprobe iwlagn |
| 23:39.48 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you compile the module ? |
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| 23:39.59 | n-iCe | abrotman: well, just apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:40.08 | Hydroxide | n-iCe: you might try reinstalling the kernel package. aptitude reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 23:40.37 | Hydroxide | n-iCe: if you compiled it by hand in the wrong way, or installed a driver from the intel website, that could potentially be related |
| 23:40.49 | n-iCe | Hydroxide: no, did apt-get install |
| 23:41.08 | Hydroxide | n-iCe: I'm just suggesting that you try reinstalling linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 23:41.09 | n-iCe | I am doing this aptitude reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 23:44.10 | n-iCe | Hydroxide: ok reboot time |
| 23:44.10 | n-iCe | brb |
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| 23:46.48 | n-iCe | Hydroxide: done |
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| 23:47.03 | n-iCe | same error |
| 23:47.22 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 23:48.19 | themill | actually, that's a different error |
| 23:49.15 | n-iCe | really? |
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| 23:49.55 | themill | well, you've had two different ones |
| 23:50.24 | n-iCe | what should I do? |
| 23:50.31 | n-iCe | I can't use my laptop witout wifi! |
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| 23:50.54 | themill | what does "file /lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko" say? |
| 23:51.36 | Hydroxide | n-iCe: you might want to grep iwlagn /etc/modules /etc/modprobe.d/* - it sounds like something is specifying an argument to the iwlagn module |
| 23:51.37 | n-iCe | /lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 23:52.10 | n-iCe | grep iwlagn /etc/modules /etc/modprobe.d/* Hydroxide didn't generate any output |
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| 23:53.07 | themill | n-iCe: and can you pastebin "modinfo iwlagn" |
| 23:53.13 | f00li5h | where should I keep my vc repos? |
| 23:53.21 | f00li5h | like from a debian policy viewpoint |
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| 23:54.36 | themill | f00li5h: /srv/$site/git/ or/srv/git/$site are both common enough. $HOME/projects/ubercool/ is fine too. |
| 23:55.05 | n-iCe | themill: http://pastebin.com/BGmG3a60 |
| 23:55.18 | f00li5h | themill: what's $site? |
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| 23:55.57 | themill | f00li5h: it's not uncommon to have a number of virtual hosts involved in this too |
| 23:56.17 | f00li5h | themill: hrm. |
| 23:56.31 | f00li5h | themill: should wbesites be in /opt too then? |
| 23:56.36 | thewanderer1 | one repo per project and you're good to go |
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| 23:57.17 | thewanderer1 | f00li5h, I like to keep my websites in /srv/www/${sitename}. it's a matter of personal taste :P |
| 23:57.18 | themill | f00li5h: /srv you mean? /srv/$site/www (or /srv/www/$site) are good too. |
| 23:57.55 | n-iCe | themill: you found something? |
| 23:59.00 | themill | n-iCe: all looks sane. What does "modprobe -v iwlagn; dmesg | tail -n 20" do? |
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