| 00:00.19 | n-iCe | themill: http://pastebin.com/6G0j304Q |
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| 00:02.25 | themill | n-iCe: that didn't actually have the output of "modprobe -v iwlagn" in it; more lines from dmesg might be handy too.... :( |
| 00:02.37 | f00li5h | /websites ;) |
| 00:02.50 | n-iCe | themill: no solution for me :( ? |
| 00:03.07 | thewanderer1 | smacks f00li5h mightfully with an FHS bat |
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| 00:03.39 | oldtopman | Question: How do you start debian in textmode? (6.0.3-AMD64) |
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| 00:04.36 | aussa | hi, how do I turn hdmi video output on? I'm using debian wheezy |
| 00:04.50 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, select "single user" in GRUB if this is for handling an emergency (i.e. a one-time need). otherwise, you can disable launching gdm/kdm/xdm by default by configuring runlevels. |
| 00:05.25 | n-iCe | how can I know my version of the hda intel (alsa mixer) I am currently using? |
| 00:06.13 | abrotman | oldtopman: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 00:07.34 | oldtopman | abrotman: I only need it disables to install some drivers. |
| 00:07.38 | oldtopman | thewanderer1: How? |
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| 00:08.05 | oldtopman | thewanderer1: The second option still starts X AFAIK |
| 00:08.05 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, are you installing NVIDIA drivers? |
| 00:08.08 | oldtopman | Yeah |
| 00:08.24 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, then do it the Debian way, not using the ugly package from nvidia.com |
| 00:08.24 | oldtopman | The computer blackscreens without them :S |
| 00:08.29 | oldtopman | D: |
| 00:08.39 | oldtopman | But here's my problem. |
| 00:08.58 | oldtopman | The internal graphics are disabled when I have the card in. |
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| 00:09.22 | oldtopman | And when I connect to the card without the drivers, I blackscreen when Debian tries to start X. |
| 00:09.44 | oldtopman | presumes the blackscreening will disappear after he installs the drivers. |
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| 00:10.18 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, ok, so boot in runlevel single (by using the "recovery mode" option in GRUB) and install the drivers. /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 00:10.42 | oldtopman | thewanderer1: The recovery mode prints some messages about nouveau and then blackscreens. |
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| 00:10.59 | oldtopman | I'm in it now since I have the graphics card removed. |
| 00:11.41 | thewanderer1 | !tell oldtopman about nvidia dkms |
| 00:12.44 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, install the DKMS NVIDIA driver as instructed by dpkg, then shutdown, insert the NVIDIA graphics card, boot the computer and the drivers should work |
| 00:13.05 | oldtopman | Thanks! |
| 00:13.10 | Mr_Brown | Hi I try to get this mirrow "deb http://www.prato.linux.it/~mnencia/debian/ dovecot-squeeze ./" but just get the error 404 |
| 00:13.25 | oldtopman | Sorry to all the other people that tried to help me, my computer *wasn't* kernel panicing. |
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| 00:16.16 | n-iCe | themill: no clue? |
| 00:16.36 | themill | n-iCe: [01:02] <themill> n-iCe: that didn't actually have the output of "modprobe -v iwlagn" in it; more lines from dmesg might be handy too.... :( |
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| 00:17.45 | oldtopman | thewanderer1: It says that it can't find the "nvidia-kernel-dkms" package. |
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| 00:18.23 | n-iCe | themill: what does that mean |
| 00:18.54 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, dpkg mentioned <non-free> in its message, ask it about non-free too and enable the non-free repository (as well as contrib) |
| 00:18.56 | themill | n-iCe: you didn't actually paste the output of "modprobe -v iwlagn". |
| 00:19.06 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 00:19.06 | oldtopman | hrm |
| 00:19.07 | oldtopman | okay |
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| 00:19.21 | themill | n-iCe: More lines from "dmesg" would be good too: "dmesg | tail -n200" |
| 00:19.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I got a ? I need to mount a filesystem in two different places using fstab.. is this possible? right now its mount under another filesytem fs1/fs2 and i cant monitor fs2, so i want to mount in /mnt/fs2 ? see? |
| 00:19.42 | n-iCe | themill: http://pastebin.com/RB0sCZdH |
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| 00:20.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | even if its just ro would be ok too |
| 00:20.38 | n-iCe | themill: http://pastebin.com/bRh44BFK |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | bind mount? |
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| 00:22.55 | oldtopman | thewanderer1: How do I ask it about that :P |
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| 00:23.07 | abrotman | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about bind mount |
| 00:23.10 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman, /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 00:23.29 | themill | n-iCe: no idea. That's just weird. |
| 00:28.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | abrotman: but can i do that at boot with fstab?? |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 00:30.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | here is no option for is in fstab |
| 00:30.26 | TehRabbitt | what packages do I have to install to get a simple startx to work? |
| 00:30.28 | TehRabbitt | i forget X_X |
| 00:30.34 | TehRabbitt | it's the first graphical interface i've done in a long time |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: yes there is |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: xorg |
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| 00:30.50 | oldtopman | Hold on for reboot, wish me luck! |
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| 00:31.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | where? |
| 00:31.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | I dont see it |
| 00:31.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | there is only one mention of it in the fstab man doc |
| 00:31.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | and its talking about another option called none. |
| 00:32.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | its in the mount man |
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| 00:33.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks i am blind abrotman |
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| 00:35.42 | oldtopman | thewanderer1: Thanks for the help, it works great! |
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| 00:44.00 | hanasaki | why does a package search for "firefox" bring up => squeeze (stable) (web): transitional dummy package |
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| 00:44.37 | abrotman | because it installs iceweasel |
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| 00:46.17 | anshrpr1 | cmake command failed while configuring touchlib on ubuntu 11.10. Following this tutorial: http://theworm.tw/2011/04/2-how-to-install-touchlib-on-linux/ Here is the generated error: http://pastebin.com/dazLtWX7 |
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| 00:47.17 | abrotman | anshrpr1: this is #debian .. you want #ubuntu |
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| 00:48.49 | hanasaki | what version of firefox is the current stable iceweasel based on? |
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| 00:49.14 | abrotman | the one technically in squeeze is 3.6.x i think .. but you can easily get 7.x |
| 00:49.16 | anshrpr1 | abrotman: no one in ubuntu is interested to answer |
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| 00:50.18 | abrotman | anshrpr1: when you install Debian, you're welcome to ask all the questions you want in here .. til then, please use #ubuntu |
| 00:50.48 | anshrpr1 | abrotman: ok, thanks.. |
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| 00:51.02 | hanasaki | abrotman: thanks. obvious answer, for you,... how to get 7? |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | hanasaki: mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:51.44 | hanasaki | and how to lookup that is based on 3.6 by mself? |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | grr .. judd!!! |
| 00:51.45 | abrotman | dpkg: info iceweasel squeeze |
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| 00:53.09 | hanasaki | abrotman: was hoping to find it in packages.debian.org ... but do not see it and I do not have a current debian install |
| 00:53.13 | abrotman | let me fin dit |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
| 00:53.38 | abrotman | it's 3.5.x |
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| 00:55.44 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 00:57.36 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 00:58.26 | hanasaki | its a bit tempting to run testing... but there are the instabilitys that go with testing and the perhaps lack of security patches |
| 00:58.40 | nevyn | !sid users |
| 00:59.02 | hanasaki | nevyn: ? |
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| 01:10.44 | Chelsea_ | Hello all. In a Bash script, how do I declare an array (myarray={ ... ...}) spanning multiple lines? |
| 01:10.55 | nevyn | modutils & udev & hal Oh my! |
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| 01:12.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Chelsea_: try #bash |
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| 01:15.08 | Chelsea_ | Kamping_Kaiser, K, thanks. |
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| 01:17.40 | joeoshawa | can anyone tell me how to produce the french accent over an e without changing my keyboard layout |
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| 01:17.51 | joeoshawa | its for libreoffice |
| 01:18.03 | samthewildone | what the heck is bzr ? |
| 01:18.04 | dvs | drives over two towns to get joeoshawa |
| 01:18.14 | samthewildone | I just built an application "pithos" that uses that. |
| 01:18.19 | joeoshawa | lol |
| 01:18.26 | abrotman | samthewildone: google couldn't tell you ? |
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| 01:19.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | the help and or man page didnt help you? |
| 01:19.31 | samthewildone | abrotman: .... |
| 01:19.34 | joeoshawa | please help its for a proper name in a school report |
| 01:19.50 | joeoshawa | there has to be an easy way to do this |
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| 01:20.13 | samthewildone | wow |
| 01:20.22 | samthewildone | Now I know what Bazaar is. |
| 01:20.28 | samthewildone | it's like git or cvs |
| 01:20.34 | samthewildone | makes sense. |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | .... |
| 01:21.20 | samthewildone | Version Control |
| 01:21.23 | samthewildone | :) |
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| 01:21.42 | samthewildone | shakes abrotman's hand |
| 01:21.47 | babilen | hands joeoshawa an é and mentions deadkeys and the compose key |
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| 01:23.13 | samthewildone | Sorry abrotman I tend to get lazy around the night time. |
| 01:23.28 | samthewildone | *I tend to get lazy after 7pm. |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | would think google would be faster than joining irc |
| 01:23.56 | samthewildone | agreed... |
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| 01:24.03 | dsdeiz | hi! anyone knows the tamsyn font? just wondering how do i specify those 7x14r or 7x12b thing :D |
| 01:24.11 | samthewildone | It's probably this hot chocolate I'm drinking. |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | or /list #bzr |
| 01:24.14 | dsdeiz | say when setting the font for urxvt |
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| 01:29.15 | joeoshawa | I don't know anything about deadkeys or the compose key but i found a special keys heading in the menu |
| 01:29.52 | joeoshawa | I read something about deadkeys but i don't have hours to find keys on my keyboard and how they work |
| 01:30.10 | joeoshawa | never seen a deadkey |
| 01:30.41 | joeoshawa | all my keys do stuff |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | !compose |
| 01:32.30 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÃô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
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| 01:34.08 | n-iCe | I installed network-manager package, but I don't see the icon, how to run it? |
| 01:34.13 | n-iCe | I did a clean install |
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| 01:35.05 | babilen | n-iCe: nm-applet (you need network-manager-gnome for that) |
| 01:35.19 | n-iCe | oh that's why! |
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| 01:35.29 | n-iCe | after network-manager-gnome will nm-applet run always in every reboot, right? |
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| 01:37.04 | babilen | n-iCe: Not necessarily, but assuming that you use Gnome it will be started automagically when you open the session. The daemon itself is started during boot, but will only connect to system connections. (those that are available to all users) |
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| 01:37.23 | n-iCe | ok, thanks! |
| 01:37.47 | n-iCe | you know how to install a recent kernel? |
| 01:37.51 | n-iCe | the lastest for squeeze? |
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| 01:38.21 | babilen | n-iCe: "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 01:39.06 | n-iCe | do I need to add something elsei n my sources.list? |
| 01:39.50 | n-iCe | cuz says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 01:41.59 | abrotman | n-iCe: you have a .39 .. what else do you want ? |
| 01:42.11 | n-iCe | I did a clean install |
| 01:42.13 | n-iCe | new one |
| 01:42.17 | n-iCe | because wireless was not working |
| 01:42.27 | n-iCe | now I have 2.6.32-5-amd64 and wireless works |
| 01:42.28 | n-iCe | work |
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| 01:42.39 | n-iCe | but my laptop built-in mic does not |
| 01:42.43 | n-iCe | only with 39 |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | then you get the .39 from backports.org |
| 01:43.13 | n-iCe | but I think pae does not work for 64bits |
| 01:43.22 | n-iCe | I have been reading that, I Guess that was my problem |
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| 01:45.07 | abrotman | n-iCe: you don't have 64bits |
| 01:45.11 | n-iCe | I have |
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| 01:45.21 | n-iCe | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:45.25 | n-iCe | is not that 64 bits? |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | that is .. you don't need a pae kernel |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | you had 32bit before |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | try the .39 again |
| 01:45.49 | n-iCe | what do I need instead pea? |
| 01:45.52 | n-iCe | pae |
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| 01:46.06 | DammitJim | what is .39? |
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| 01:46.41 | n-iCe | let me reboot |
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| 01:48.05 | abrotman | DammitJim: a 2.6.39 kernel |
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| 01:50.11 | joeoshawa | if you don't have a right windows key what do you use for a compose key |
| 01:50.28 | joeoshawa | i have a menu key there |
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| 01:51.16 | babilen | Yeah, use that. |
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| 01:51.31 | joeoshawa | that brings up a menu like right click |
| 01:51.32 | nice | I am back |
| 01:51.33 | DammitJim | oh, yeah |
| 01:51.39 | nice | so what do I Need instrad pae abrotman |
| 01:51.40 | joeoshawa | hence the menu key |
| 01:51.40 | nice | please |
| 01:51.43 | DammitJim | hey, do you guys use any type of sync for your files? |
| 01:51.46 | DammitJim | like dropbox? |
| 01:52.14 | babilen | DammitJim: I am sure that some people in here have used dropbox before. What is your real question? |
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| 01:53.36 | abrotman | nice: you don't need anything .. just use backports.debian.org to get the .39 |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | joeoshawa: thinkpad? |
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| 01:54.33 | nice | abrotman: ok, in order to install packages always I need to use -t squeeze-backports, instead just apt-get install ? |
| 01:54.59 | samthewildone | I need to know how to set default applications |
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| 01:56.16 | dvs | samthewildone: update-alternatives |
| 01:56.47 | joeoshawa | logiteck access keyboard 600 |
| 01:56.56 | nice | is this the kernel? linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 01:58.16 | abrotman | nice: no .. you should use linux-image-amd64 probably |
| 01:58.22 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-amd64 |
| 01:58.23 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.0.0+39; sid: 3.0.0+40 |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | yeah .. use linux-image-amd64 |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | and use aptitude |
| 01:58.38 | samthewildone | dvs: damn |
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| 01:58.51 | samthewildone | dvs: I didn't want to bring down my system now. :) |
| 01:58.53 | nice | why aptitude abrotman ? |
| 01:59.05 | nice | I have been always using apt-get is it wrong? |
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| 01:59.34 | k-man | I'm trying to compile emacs-snapshot on debian GCC 4.4 and I get: xterm.c:3266: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 01:59.37 | nevyn | it's not wrong. |
| 01:59.59 | nevyn | aptitude has a more advanced resolver that can get you out of some tricky dependancy situations |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | nice: use aptitude |
| 02:00.23 | nice | Ok, im gonna use it forever |
| 02:00.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | nevyn: otoh, it has a more advanced resolver that just initiated a whining thread on deb-dev ;) |
| 02:00.35 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: DDs like to whine :) |
| 02:00.38 | dvs | samthewildone: ??? |
| 02:00.39 | nice | I am installing linux-image-amd64 abrotman |
| 02:00.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | samthewildone: what sort of apps are you wanting to set defaults for? for who? |
| 02:00.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: true enough :) |
| 02:00.50 | nice | abrotman: what should I do after the installation? install image and headers, then reboot? |
| 02:01.01 | samthewildone | Kamping_Kaiser: adobe reader |
| 02:01.09 | samthewildone | pdf formats |
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| 02:01.25 | dvs | samthewildone: in a browser? |
| 02:01.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | samthewildone: if you're using gnome, you can right click a pdf and use properties to set it (iirc). if in a browser, they handle it internally |
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| 02:02.28 | nice | abrotman: and do I need always to use the -t squeeze-backports to install any package? |
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| 02:02.54 | DammitJim | I just want to be able to use 2 laptops. Recently bought my wife a machine and I want it to have my stuff sync'd with it for when we travel |
| 02:03.03 | DammitJim | that's all... (sync with my larger laptop) |
| 02:03.11 | abrotman | nice: only if it's from backports |
| 02:03.21 | nice | abrotman: ok, thanks, installed, let me reboot |
| 02:04.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm starting to think dpkg should have a 'data sync' factoid for such things |
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| 02:05.48 | abrotman | it would point to the bot factoids .. what else do you need? |
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| 02:07.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: fair point |
| 02:07.42 | samthewildone | Look my dad is trying to set adobe reader as default but, it's not opening pdf formats. The other one is... |
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| 02:07.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg tell DammitJim about unison |
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| 02:08.43 | samthewildone | We did a right click on the file and select "open with other application" and selected adobe as default (with the checkbox @ the bottom) but, the system continues to open with the stock pdf viewer |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | samthewildone: in what? which version of Debian? what's the error? |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | dunno why anyone would use adobe anyway |
| 02:09.04 | samthewildone | There is no error. |
| 02:09.45 | samthewildone | Just opens another pdf viewer ... ah never mind my dad got it. |
| 02:10.04 | samthewildone | He just right clicked on the file and just when to properties and changed it from there. |
| 02:10.08 | samthewildone | works like GOLD ! |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | that's where you should change it in gnome/nautilus |
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| 02:10.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | eitherv they like drm, or need to edit pdf forms :) |
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| 02:12.51 | samthewildone | drm ? |
| 02:12.54 | nice | abrotman!! finally everything WORKS AWESOME! thank you, was the pae thingie I guess |
| 02:13.11 | samthewildone | My mom uses them a lot. |
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| 02:13.27 | samthewildone | She's a teacher and does a lot of writing. |
| 02:13.57 | samthewildone | Her and my Dad fight over the computer... She like ubuntu but he likes hardcore debian. |
| 02:14.11 | samthewildone | parents are clowns |
| 02:14.23 | n-iCe | weird, when plug in a usb I get this message: |
| 02:14.29 | dvs | samthewildone: go to your room! |
| 02:14.30 | aussa | is there something I need to configure to make the hdmi connection to the tv work? |
| 02:14.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | aussa: X perhaps? |
| 02:15.04 | aussa | Kamping_Kaiser: do I need an xorg.confi file? |
| 02:15.35 | aussa | xorg.conf* |
| 02:15.42 | samthewildone | im 21 clown |
| 02:15.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | aussa: if it doesnt Just Work you'll need to create whever sections of xorg are required to configure hdmi |
| 02:16.22 | aussa | Kamping_Kaiser: where can I find an example or something, I have no idea of what I have to do |
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| 02:18.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | aussa: examples all over the web. if X is stopped, you can use `X -configure` to generate a file |
| 02:19.09 | aussa | Kamping_Kaiser: well, I have seen xorg.conf files before, but nothing about hdmi or similar |
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| 02:21.31 | abrotman | why would it say anything about hdmi ? |
| 02:22.28 | aussa | abrotman: I don't know... it isn't working btw |
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| 02:33.09 | DammitJim | thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
| 02:33.16 | DammitJim | I guess I could do the manual rsync |
| 02:33.39 | DammitJim | is there a way to grep inside of a tgz? |
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| 02:34.22 | acu | how can I make grub update - the older version 0.987 whatever - not newer one - I know for this will be grub2-update or somethhing |
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| 02:35.07 | madsci44 | DammitJim: zcat |grep ? |
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| 02:36.52 | n-iCe | !compiz |
| 02:36.52 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:37.17 | n-iCe | Do I need to install compiz if I want to use the scale for windows? |
| 02:37.33 | acu | !grub |
| 02:37.34 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 02:38.11 | acu | !fixmbr |
| 02:38.11 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 02:38.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell acu about message the bot |
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| 02:43.06 | abrotman | acu: please msg the bot |
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| 02:44.55 | acu | how I message the bot ? I type /msg thingy ? |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell acu about msg the bot |
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| 02:48.12 | acu | got it I need to say /msg dpkg what I want |
| 02:48.48 | dvs | !prize acu |
| 02:48.49 | dpkg | gives acu a My Little Pony. |
| 02:49.07 | rww | :D |
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| 02:51.28 | acu | Now here is a subtlety I do not get ? I should google my little pony perhaps :) |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | it's much better when asg sings the theme song |
| 02:52.27 | Gm4n | is there a way to check a drive's superblock? (mdadm raid 5) |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | check it for what? |
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| 02:57.36 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys ponies |
| 02:57.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ponies' by key returned no results. |
| 02:57.48 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys apt-get |
| 02:57.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apt-get' by key (13 of 46): "apt-get\" ;; _default apt-get dist-upgrade ;; _default apt-get install ;; _default apt-get porn ;; _default apt-get update ;; _default apt-get upgrade ;; _default basic apt-get troubleshooting ;; apt-get --force remove bobbitt ;; apt-get autoclean ;; apt-get cron ;; apt-get deps ;; apt-get dist-upgrade ;; apt-get install cowsay. |
| 02:58.48 | abrotman | using msg is hard ... |
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| 03:06.52 | mdik | hi. anyone using alpine round here? |
| 03:07.57 | iluminator101 | is there monitor freeze bug reported for debian sid |
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| 03:10.09 | mdik | is this a question |
| 03:10.12 | roe | I seem to be unable to mount an nfs export on my unstable machine |
| 03:10.24 | roe | I get the following |
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| 03:11.34 | roe | http://pastebin.com/vGqrfc1t |
| 03:11.43 | roe | and yet it mounts just fine on my debian squeeze box |
| 03:11.51 | k-man | how can I tell apt-get source --compile to use a specific version of gcc? |
| 03:12.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | k-man: the package probably has a version set in its control file |
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| 03:13.08 | cardamon | That's frustrating. |
| 03:13.32 | dondelelcaro | k-man: by setting CC/GCC usually |
| 03:13.44 | dondelelcaro | k-man: but the details can be package specific |
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| 03:14.04 | k-man | I'm trying to compile emacs snapshot packages |
| 03:15.06 | streuner_ | amset:/# ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
| 03:15.06 | streuner_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Sep 24 18:00 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.6 |
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| 03:15.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions emacs-snapshot |
| 03:15.53 | judd | No package named 'emacs-snapshot' was found in i386. |
| 03:16.04 | meem1029 | Does anyone know why fgrlx-driver is in lenny, squeeze, and sid but not wheezy? Alternately, does anyone know how to get it in wheezy? |
| 03:16.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 03:16.18 | k-man | http://emacs.naquadah.org/ |
| 03:16.23 | iluminator101 | i am missing a Trash folder in my debian; isnt there .Trash file folder in home usually? |
| 03:16.24 | dondelelcaro | k-man: why do you care which version of gcc the snapshot package uses? it can almost certainly compile with anything |
| 03:16.25 | k-man | thats the site of emacs-snapshot |
| 03:16.52 | k-man | dondelelcaro, because I get a gcc segmentation fault with 4.4, I wanted to try a different version to see if that works? |
| 03:17.19 | dondelelcaro | you mean an ICE? |
| 03:18.04 | acu | what it means missing operand when I do a chroot ? |
| 03:18.19 | k-man | dondelelcaro, was that question directed at me? |
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| 03:21.24 | k-man | I think it must be a ram issue |
| 03:21.50 | k-man | the segmention fault doesn't appear to happen in the same place each time |
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| 03:24.32 | iluminator101 | abortman had to downgrade to testing too many issues that i had to deal with sid lately |
| 03:26.24 | iluminator101 | besides there is not that much of difference between sid and testing |
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| 03:26.34 | fishcooker | ola fellas |
| 03:26.44 | simonlnu | iluminator101: ~/.local/share/Trash/ |
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| 03:27.00 | fishcooker | where can i get debian-netinstall 5.0.9 |
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| 03:27.13 | fishcooker | i meant previous cd-release |
| 03:27.25 | fishcooker | i can't find it |
| 03:27.42 | streuner_ | fishcooker: /msg dpkg lenny |
| 03:27.50 | simonlnu | it's also called oldstable, or lenny (see /topic) |
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| 03:32.17 | fishcooker | streuner_ , thanks for quick reply |
| 03:32.18 | fishcooker | can i get the link download; direct link or torrent would be ok |
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| 03:33.43 | streuner_ | dpkg, lenny |
| 03:33.43 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.9>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 03:33.52 | streuner_ | dpkg, install lenny |
| 03:33.52 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/ |
| 03:34.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 03:34.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am having a hard time getting my network card to come up on my new guest debian squeeze. |
| 03:35.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there something I got to do to get it to bring up my nic? I added the general stuff into interfaces, and i did a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:35.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | but it don't bring it up. |
| 03:35.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | I can bring it up and set an ip and it works.. if i do ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.xxx |
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| 03:38.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got it.. its eth1 not 0.. |
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| 03:41.31 | oldtopman | What do I have to change to change the SD** of the HD? |
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| 03:41.54 | oldtopman | I need to move the order of my hard drives around, and so I was wondering what I have to fo to get it to boot. |
| 03:41.57 | oldtopman | to* |
| 03:42.19 | oldtopman | In slackware, all I have to edit is the FSTAB and bootloader, is this also the case here? |
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| 03:44.36 | oldtopman | Nobody? |
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| 03:49.50 | oldtopman | I'll just give it a try in a minute or two :P |
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| 03:50.16 | iluminator101 | thanks simonlnu |
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| 03:57.52 | GinTonicool | I have install xp system in DEBIAN(host) with virtualbox4.0.12,i set serial ports in virtualbox like this :settings---serial ports -----enable serial port----port number "COM1"---port mode "host device" ----port/file path"/dev/ttyS0" |
| 03:58.02 | GinTonicool | but when i start XP,it show me this : p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Failed to open a session for the virtual machine xp. Cannot open host device '/dev/ttyS0' for read/write access. Check the permissions of that device ('/bin/ls -l /dev/ttyS0'): Most probably you need to be member of the device group. Make sure that you logout/login after changing the group settings of the current user (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). Unknown error creating VM (VERR_ACCESS_D |
| 03:58.04 | dlynes | Do I need to install a backport to get a version of php installed that has '--enable-soap' configured into the binary? |
| 03:58.26 | dlynes | Squeeze (6.0.3) doesn't seem to have this option compiled in |
| 03:59.11 | GinTonicool | could you someone help me please? |
| 03:59.38 | GinTonicool | I have install xp system in DEBIAN(host) with virtualbox4.0.12,i set serial ports in virtualbox like this :settings---serial ports -----enable serial port----port number "COM1"---port mode "host device" ----port/file path"/dev/ttyS0" |
| 03:59.38 | GinTonicool | but when i start XP,it show me this : p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Failed to open a session for the virtual machine xp. Cannot open host device '/dev/ttyS0' for read/write access. Check the permissions of that device ('/bin/ls -l /dev/ttyS0'): Most probably you need to be member of the device group. Make sure that you logout/login after changing the group settings of the current user (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED). Unknown error creating VM (VERR_ACCESS_D |
| 04:00.06 | dlynes | GinTonicool, You just finished echoing those exact same lines less than a minute ago |
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| 04:00.54 | Rusty1 | GinTonicool: and there is a #vbox channel where you might try |
| 04:00.57 | mdik | GinTonicool: first of all: pastebin.com ; second: mailinglists |
| 04:01.04 | GinTonicool | sorry,i think maybe someone can not see what i have said ,so ,,, |
| 04:01.08 | dlynes | GinTonicool, On IRC, depending on the channel, you can wait up to 48 hours for a response...on the Debian channel, depending on how busy it is, it could be 20 minutes to 6 or 7 hours |
| 04:02.03 | dlynes | GinTonicool, Also, it's not clear...is XP your guest OS, and Debian is your host OS? |
| 04:02.06 | GinTonicool | i'm really sorry |
| 04:02.19 | GinTonicool | yes ,dlynes |
| 04:02.45 | GinTonicool | i have done this at other computers ,they work |
| 04:03.01 | dlynes | GinTonicool, are you running virtualbox as root user, or as a non-privileged user? |
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| 04:04.03 | GinTonicool | i'm not running vbox as ROOT at this computer ,but it works in other machine |
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| 04:04.55 | GinTonicool | what do you mean "as a non-privileged user", should i do something in /etc/group or other ? |
| 04:04.56 | dlynes | GinTonicool, can you pastebin the results of the following?: 1) run 'groups' from the user account that is used to launch virtualbox 2) run 'ls -l' /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 04:05.07 | dlynes | GinTonicool, non-privileged user == non-root user |
| 04:06.00 | dlynes | GinTonicool, it can also mean a user that doesn't have privileged access to certain commands via sudo as well |
| 04:06.19 | GinTonicool | non-root user,but i have done before on other machine ,it works |
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| 04:08.36 | GinTonicool | it is the same about PRIVILEGE on this PC with another one.it seems there are not differents |
| 04:09.03 | aidalgol | Since there's no Gnome3 meta-package, which packages are sufficient to install to, after dependencies are pulled in, get a complete Gnome3 installation? |
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| 04:10.38 | Rusty1 | !gnome3 |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 04:11.20 | tensorpudding | gnome 3 isn't fully available in experimental, i thought |
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| 04:18.12 | aidalgol | tensorpudding: According to that page, everything but Telepathy is up to date in at least unstable. |
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| 04:19.14 | tensorpudding | oh |
| 04:19.17 | tensorpudding | it's in sid now |
| 04:19.21 | tensorpudding | interesting |
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| 04:21.20 | aidalgol | OK, <install gnome> only really applies to Gnome2. |
| 04:22.34 | streuner_ | heh |
| 04:23.04 | streuner_ | sure, if you running stable |
| 04:23.39 | aidalgol | Well, last I checked, there wasn't a gnome-desktop-environment meta-package for Gnome3. |
| 04:24.10 | rww | huh. was there a big push into unstable recently or something? I remember half of that page being yellow the other day. |
| 04:24.47 | rww | ah, yeah, gnome-shell dropped in unstable three days ago. awesome |
| 04:24.50 | aidalgol | No idea. I've only been checking it occasionally. |
| 04:25.09 | aidalgol | applauds the Gnome3 package maintainers. |
| 04:26.50 | rww | ooo, new page for gnome 3.2: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html |
| 04:27.10 | aidalgol | haha! |
| 04:27.29 | aidalgol | Only 69/137 there. |
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| 04:28.49 | fishcooker | thank a lot streuner_ |
| 04:28.58 | fishcooker | :D |
| 04:31.12 | peterrooney | thinks gnome can go the way of network-manager |
| 04:31.27 | aidalgol | peterrooney: What way would that be? |
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| 04:34.57 | dlynes | Is the soap builtins for php not required under debian for applications that would normally require it? |
| 04:37.55 | dlynes | Hrm...how do you list the configure options for php under Debian? In Centos, I can see this with 'php -i', but not with Debian |
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| 04:40.36 | arghx | what verison of php is it exactly? |
| 04:40.51 | peterrooney | aidalgol: a shallow grave, I hope |
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| 04:42.39 | alternut | anyone have some package suggestions for squeeze on a netbook? it works fine, just looking for something interesting/fun |
| 04:42.49 | tensorpudding | games? |
| 04:42.58 | alternut | naa |
| 04:43.18 | alternut | useful/interesting stuff I can play around with/learn from |
| 04:43.32 | tensorpudding | oh, learning |
| 04:43.33 | arghx | any scripting interpreter or compiler |
| 04:43.44 | tensorpudding | if you want to learn some programming, sure |
| 04:43.59 | arghx | python, perl, ruby, ghc, gcc, ocaml, clisp, etc |
| 04:44.57 | alternut | kk, yeah, its been a while since ive done any programming, will using those names install everything? |
| 04:45.10 | tensorpudding | "everything" being what |
| 04:45.28 | alternut | compiler and whats needed for the language |
| 04:45.31 | arghx | no it won't. every one of them has different needs |
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| 04:45.43 | tensorpudding | don't actually download just those things, it won't exactly teach you stuff without some external knowledge source |
| 04:46.12 | alternut | right, i have some experience |
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| 04:46.27 | tensorpudding | with what |
| 04:46.35 | somiaj | pck a language, text editor and use google. Plenty of intros to programing langauges out there |
| 04:46.36 | alternut | c and perl |
| 04:46.38 | tensorpudding | i meant experience with those tools |
| 04:47.08 | alternut | no experience with any linux tools for programming |
| 04:47.27 | tensorpudding | what did you use for c and perl |
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| 04:48.16 | tensorpudding | if you've written perl before you've used the perl interpreter, so that part probably isn't different |
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| 04:48.35 | alternut | k |
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| 04:49.17 | alternut | any interesting ui packages I can try? ive got gnome and xfce4 installed |
| 04:49.39 | cantido | Bit of a random question but.. Does anyone know where the kernel gets the load address that it sticks into an uImage? |
| 04:49.45 | dlynes | alternut, Eclipse? |
| 04:49.47 | tensorpudding | stable doesn't have the shiny new gnome |
| 04:50.14 | dlynes | alternut, but Eclipse isn't available as a Debian package..you'll need to download it from www.eclipse.org, and just extract into into your home directory |
| 04:50.25 | alternut | using testing actually |
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| 04:50.39 | alternut | ah ok thanks |
| 04:50.48 | dlynes | alternut, also, I would suggest Helios over Indigo (the latest release) |
| 04:51.00 | dlynes | alternut, Indigo has some indexer problems yet |
| 04:51.07 | alternut | gotcha |
| 04:51.27 | tensorpudding | testing doesn't have gnome 3 yet either |
| 04:51.27 | dlynes | alternut, The indexing problems don't really affect C...just C++ |
| 04:51.36 | tensorpudding | last i heard |
| 04:51.36 | alternut | ah |
| 04:51.45 | tensorpudding | but it will eventually |
| 04:51.47 | dlynes | alternut, Eclipse also has pyclipse, which is a python plugin |
| 04:53.06 | alternut | k |
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| 04:53.35 | alternut | what are some useful everyday programs you would recommend? |
| 04:53.44 | dlynes | alternut, Alternatively, there's KDevelop, KDE Studio, and Netbeans, but Eclipse is a much more useful IDE, imo |
| 04:54.12 | cardamon{m} | Netbeans has a python plugin too. |
| 04:54.15 | dlynes | alternut, OpenOffice, Thunderbird, Firefox, Evolution (if you need Microsoft Exchange Support) |
| 04:54.23 | cardamon{m} | It's not as bloated as it used to be. |
| 04:54.39 | dlynes | cardamon{m}, Is it still more Java-centric than Eclipse? |
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| 04:54.52 | cardamon{m} | Define java centric. |
| 04:55.22 | dlynes | cardamon{m}, Easy to use if you're developing on Java, and a pain in the ass to configure and use if you're using anything else |
| 04:55.35 | cantido | dlynes: that sounds a lot like eclipse ;) |
| 04:55.50 | cardamon{m} | It was written by the guys who wrote Java, to write more Java. But EVERYTHING is now a module. |
| 04:55.58 | dlynes | cantido, Yeah...that's what Eclipse used to be like....I used to like Netbeans way better |
| 04:56.00 | cardamon{m} | Include support for other languages. |
| 04:56.14 | cantido | cardamon{m}: I dont think netbeans was written by people that worked on the JVM |
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| 04:56.19 | dlynes | cantido, But Eclipse has grown in leaps and bounds in the user interface department...it's a very usable IDE now |
| 04:56.22 | cantido | cardamon{m}: it was a sun project yes.. |
| 04:56.44 | cantido | dlynes: yes, but the CDT etc is still a bit useless |
| 04:56.48 | cardamon{m} | So getting it to do a C++ or Python prject is not hard. |
| 04:56.57 | alternut | ive used eclipse years ago, good to know it will work on here |
| 04:57.00 | dlynes | cantido, Not really...I use CDT on a daily basis |
| 04:57.01 | cardamon{m} | Although honestly, I do most of my code in vim |
| 04:57.17 | dlynes | cantido, and Eclipse with viPlugin kicks ass |
| 04:57.23 | cantido | dlynes: does it manage to actually complete any of your code? |
| 04:57.33 | dlynes | cantido, yes...regularly |
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| 04:57.51 | CaneToad | I've used both netbeans and eclipse...they're both pretty good...some better for some things... |
| 04:57.51 | dlynes | cantido, but as I mentioned to alternut....don't install Indigo...it screws up the indexing |
| 04:57.55 | cantido | really? I add glib headers to a project and then it all goes to shit.. CDT doesnt know what the hell is going on |
| 04:58.16 | dlynes | cantido, hrm..no idea there...I'm not allowed to use any GPL code at work |
| 04:58.25 | alternut | is there a difference between using the sources deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 04:58.25 | alternut | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.34 | cantido | dlynes: its usable, it just aint as nice as working in java |
| 04:58.37 | cardamon{m} | Can someone help me with a compiliation? Trying to follow http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2010/08/wifi-ralink-3062/ and when I get to the part about running make I get this http://pastebin.com/tr1PyPNd |
| 04:58.43 | cardamon{m} | alternut: Yes. There is. |
| 04:59.01 | alternut | ok, care to elaborate? |
| 04:59.02 | dlynes | cantido, we're only allowed to use in-house code, and anything using an MIT-style/BSD-style license, ... |
| 04:59.07 | cantido | dlynes: the debugger is pretty good connected to gdb.. I use it to debug arm stuff with openocd over jtag, m68k code |
| 04:59.09 | cardamon{m} | alternut: When wheezy becomes stable, you'll keep tracking wheezy if you're set to track wheezy. |
| 04:59.24 | cardamon{m} | Which is recommended. |
| 04:59.26 | somiaj | alternut: testing will automically point to the next testing release once stable is fronze and it branches. wheezy will always point to wheezy despite it changing to stable |
| 04:59.37 | dlynes | cantido, yeah...I've used it to debug code running on Coldfire processors, too |
| 04:59.50 | alternut | ah, if i switch now from testing, to wheezy..will everything work, or will i need to update everything like going from stable did? |
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| 04:59.59 | cardamon{m} | alternut: That way, any decision to move to the new testing will be on your part. |
| 05:00.06 | cantido | the formatter seems to munch up some C code too.. after to resist running it |
| 05:00.08 | cardamon{m} | alternut: No danger in changing it now. |
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| 05:00.13 | alternut | ah, good |
| 05:00.17 | dlynes | cantido, but they give you a bastardized version of Eclipse, that you can't even install viPlugin on, and they force you to use Windows |
| 05:00.17 | cardamon{m} | AFAIK. |
| 05:00.24 | cardamon{m} | ...IANAL |
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| 05:00.44 | cardamon{m} | TGIT? |
| 05:00.49 | cantido | dlynes: yeah, its not as bad as Renesas' HEW though ;) |
| 05:00.57 | cardamon{m} | ...It's fun to stay at the... |
| 05:00.58 | arghx | alternut: testing is wheezy. and you should always use the toy story names in your sources.list, never "stable" or "testing" |
| 05:01.09 | dlynes | cardamon{m}, what's uname -a report? |
| 05:01.26 | cantido | dlynes: with ARM.. basically all the tools you need are open, no messing around, no crappy windows only IDEs etc required |
| 05:01.36 | alternut | while on this topic...do i need the updates or security repos? |
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| 05:01.42 | cardamon{m} | Linux yggdrasil 3.0.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 27 16:21:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:02.22 | dlynes | cardamon, sorry...uname -r I meant...should be 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 05:02.25 | alternut | like wheezy/updates ? |
| 05:02.42 | alternut | not sure what the difference is with that source |
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| 05:02.44 | cardamon{m} | dlynes: Yes. |
| 05:02.45 | peterrooney | alternut: depends - do you like having security holes remain unpatched? |
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| 05:03.03 | dlynes | cardamon{m}, sounds like you don't have /lib/modules/3.0.0-1-amd64/build symbolically linked |
| 05:03.20 | dlynes | cardamon{m}, do you have all the kernel build packages installed? |
| 05:03.21 | cantido | alternut: for stable yes |
| 05:03.25 | aussa | hi, I don't have X11/Xos.h file, How do I get it? what do I have to install? |
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| 05:03.36 | arghx | !tell aussa about search. |
| 05:03.45 | arghx | aussa: pdo and apt-file are the ones you need |
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| 05:04.26 | dlynes | aussa, What arghx means is that you can use tools like apt-file to search for what package contains that file |
| 05:04.28 | cardamon{m} | dlynes: Which ones are those? I have build-essentials. |
| 05:04.36 | dlynes | aussa, i.e. apt-file update && apt-file search Xos.h |
| 05:04.52 | arghx | cardamon{m}: you need the kernel headers for your running kernel |
| 05:04.57 | dlynes | cardamon{m}, I can't remember offhand, but there's some metapackages specially for the kernel |
| 05:05.06 | cardamon{m} | arghx: ah. |
| 05:05.08 | arghx | linux-headers-$(`uname -r) or somesuch |
| 05:06.14 | dlynes | aussa, using apt-file search, taking an educated guess, I would think you need the package 'x11proto-core-dev' |
| 05:06.39 | cardamon{m} | arghx: http://pastebin.com/iFK05zMe Which one of these? linux-headers-3.0.0-1-all-amd64? |
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| 05:07.28 | arghx | cardamon{m}: apt-cache show linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 05:08.45 | alternut | so I was trying to run # modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac and...getting an error 'operation not permitted' tried it as root too |
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| 05:09.23 | arghx | which one of them was not permitted? |
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| 05:10.36 | alternut | well..it first starts with error inserting rfkill...error inserting cfg80211.... as well as mac80211 and brcmutil |
| 05:11.05 | alternut | setting up a bcm4313 wifi card |
| 05:11.21 | aussa | ok, ty all |
| 05:11.37 | alternut | from http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
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| 05:12.55 | alternut | squeeze version works when using squeeze, so not really sure what else to do...only change i saw was from modprobe brcm80211 to brcmsmac |
| 05:12.55 | arghx | !tell alternut about errors |
| 05:14.40 | cardamon{m} | How do I ask dpkg a question? |
| 05:14.57 | aidalgol | cardamon{m}: /query dpkg |
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| 05:16.02 | alternut | paste.debian.net/137607/ |
| 05:16.02 | arghx | cardamon{m}: /msg dpkg <topic> |
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| 05:16.42 | arghx | alternut: you are not root for the second command |
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| 05:17.10 | alternut | wow, didnt realize that |
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| 05:17.30 | alternut | ah ha it worked |
| 05:18.07 | cardamon{m} | okay, so if what I get from dpkg I understand correctly, to get flash for my amd64 I've gotta go to adobe. |
| 05:18.29 | arghx | !adobe flash |
| 05:18.29 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 05:18.53 | cardamon{m} | arghx: Yes, I read this. And <flash amd65> |
| 05:19.01 | cardamon{m} | er -1 |
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| 05:20.48 | qop_away | hi... does anybody know how to write random sectors of a drive? |
| 05:21.15 | cantido | qop_away: cat /dev/random > /dev/myblockdevice |
| 05:21.19 | qop_away | like cat /dev/urandom /dev/foo but that starts writing randomly |
| 05:21.36 | cantido | qop_away: you mean to random parts of the drive? |
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| 05:21.39 | qop_away | cantido: yup but that starts writing at first sector |
| 05:21.45 | qop_away | yup |
| 05:21.50 | arghx | qop_away: with dd. see the seek option |
| 05:21.53 | cantido | any reason why you want that? |
| 05:22.03 | qop_away | the drive is immense, dont really want to do a full wipe :P |
| 05:22.13 | cantido | would have thought the kernel would de-randomise the writes |
| 05:22.17 | qop_away | it would take all night |
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| 05:22.59 | cantido | qop_away: If you can't be arsed to fill the whole drive dont bother.. |
| 05:23.07 | arghx | qop_away: what good would it do to wipe it only partially? |
| 05:23.24 | cantido | the idea of filling the whole drive is to hide where the real data is |
| 05:23.30 | arghx | and any drive takes approx 2 hours max to wipe |
| 05:23.45 | qop_away | I probably can make a little script that selects sectors and pipe urandom through btut I thought there might be a simple way |
| 05:23.50 | Daemonik | qop_away, Do you mean does not write linearly, but targets random physical sectors? |
| 05:23.54 | cantido | arghx: any drive? |
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| 05:24.04 | arghx | cantido: any currently available hdd |
| 05:24.10 | qop_away | Daemonik: yup |
| 05:24.18 | arghx | well, the 3TB ones might need 3 hours now, not sure |
| 05:24.25 | cantido | arghx: 300GB took about 8 hours on one machine for me.. |
| 05:24.35 | flamingspinach | Question: For some reason, my Qt-based applications no longer recognize the ctrl key. This could probably be fixed by rebooting, but is there a less destructive way to fix this? It's persistent after restarting the applications. |
| 05:24.38 | qop_away | arghx: I dont need full security just a little bit of scrabbling |
| 05:24.39 | arghx | cantido: /dev/random or /dev/zero? |
| 05:24.46 | cantido | arghx: urandom |
| 05:25.19 | arghx | cantido: CPU limitied yes. a SMART test for instance which visits every single sector of the disk taks around 2 hours. so if your operation is i/O limited, it will take 2 hours |
| 05:25.36 | cantido | qop_away: If you have blocks of random stuff in the middle of 0s.. what use is that? |
| 05:25.39 | qop_away | well it can made faster if you use dd and a bs=1M |
| 05:25.41 | arghx | qop_away: there is no "little security". either you do it right or don't bother |
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| 05:26.00 | qop_away | a 300mb drive could take about 1hr to zero but this is 7tb |
| 05:26.02 | cantido | qop_away: If I wanted to find where your data was I would just look for the biggest block of junk |
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| 05:26.49 | qop_away | I know what you are trying to say, and understand what I am doing and the implications thanks ;) |
| 05:27.14 | qop_away | just want to know if there is a better way than writing a script |
| 05:27.23 | Daemonik | qop_away, Just use dd's seek and write a script in your language of choice to iterate the seek by a decent chunk |
| 05:27.24 | Daemonik | heh |
| 05:27.37 | simonlnu | flamingspinach: log out of x? |
| 05:27.43 | qop_away | Daemonik: exactly what I wanted to avoid :P |
| 05:27.55 | simonlnu | wonders why people don't think of that |
| 05:28.45 | qop_away | flamingspinach: rebooting is not destructive |
| 05:29.12 | qop_away | flamingspinach: but you can type: kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 20 ; plasma-desktop |
| 05:29.20 | qop_away | that can prolly do it |
| 05:30.33 | simonlnu | kquitapp? first time i've heard of that. |
| 05:30.44 | simonlnu | oh looky there |
| 05:31.08 | simonlnu | "Quit a D-Bus enabled application easily" |
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| 05:32.38 | qop_away | oh he said qt, assuming that is kde |
| 05:32.45 | flamingspinach | sorry, not kde :) |
| 05:32.55 | qop_away | in gnome idk and idc |
| 05:32.56 | flamingspinach | just xmonad |
| 05:33.05 | flamingspinach | no gnome, kde, or other DEs... |
| 05:33.17 | qop_away | ahh yes just init 3 init 5 |
| 05:33.18 | qop_away | :) |
| 05:33.22 | flamingspinach | lol |
| 05:33.33 | qop_away | well thats easies |
| 05:33.35 | flamingspinach | I was hoping to avoid logging out, as I have some long-term processes going... |
| 05:33.35 | qop_away | t |
| 05:34.03 | qop_away | flamingspinach: what qt app, your app? |
| 05:34.14 | flamingspinach | quasselclient, kdiff3 are the two I tested |
| 05:35.03 | qop_away | flamingspinach: they have options about shortcuts, go to one of these and select any, then change or custom as if you wanted to bind |
| 05:35.17 | qop_away | flamingspinach: there use any combo of Ctrl+whatever |
| 05:35.35 | qop_away | that just to see if qtbindings is working right |
| 05:35.46 | flamingspinach | lemme see... |
| 05:36.35 | flamingspinach | wtf? when I input ctrl+p, for example, it registers as Meta+Ctrl+P |
| 05:37.00 | flamingspinach | when I input alt+p it registers as Alt+P |
| 05:37.15 | flamingspinach | so apparently Qt believes there is a physical lisp-machine-style meta key on my keyboard, which is stuck? |
| 05:37.35 | simonlnu | init 3 and 5 are meaningless in debian. they're identical to 2 |
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| 05:37.43 | qop_away | flamingspinach: punch the keyboard |
| 05:37.48 | flamingspinach | hah |
| 05:37.59 | qop_away | it is working all right |
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| 05:38.29 | qop_away | flamingspinach: uhm, do you have any gtk app ? |
| 05:38.30 | cardamon{m} | rmmod -v rt2* will stop all kernel modules named rt2800 and variations there of, right? |
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| 05:38.35 | flamingspinach | sure, plenty |
| 05:38.42 | cardamon{m} | * being 0 or more? |
| 05:38.47 | qop_away | flamingspinach: does it happen with any of these? |
| 05:38.58 | qop_away | double check |
| 05:39.00 | qop_away | pls |
| 05:39.06 | cardamon{m} | Hmm, guess it won't |
| 05:39.18 | flamingspinach | nope, though it's possible that GTK+ just doesn't know about this "stuck meta" key - yeah, I'll check... first I have to find one which will let me enter keyboard shortcuts somewhere... |
| 05:40.01 | simonlnu | cardamon{m}: yes, bu the .dep files will be out of date; better to mv them away, and run depmod -Aa |
| 05:40.05 | simonlnu | but* |
| 05:40.22 | cardamon{m} | ? |
| 05:40.32 | qop_away | flamingspinach: if gtk bugs too then your lua is taking ownership of the ctrl key, if gtk app works fine then lemme we... |
| 05:40.46 | cardamon{m} | simonlnu: And no, it won't. It didn't work. I had to do it by hand. |
| 05:40.55 | cardamon{m} | ERROR: Module rt2* does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 05:41.09 | cardamon{m} | back soon, I hope |
| 05:41.52 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 05:42.32 | flamingspinach | qop_away: chromium, for example, sees the ctrl key since I can do ctrl+a to select all |
| 05:42.53 | flamingspinach | I don't know of any gtk+ app I have which has a widget to tell me what keys it thinks I'm pressing, though |
| 05:43.02 | qop_away | flamingspinach: uhm, chromim uses its own layer... fine ok... |
| 05:43.20 | qop_away | flamingspinach: just try kquitapp foo |
| 05:43.42 | flamingspinach | bash: kquitapp: command not found |
| 05:43.44 | flamingspinach | :P |
| 05:43.46 | qop_away | flamingspinach: where foo is any qt/kde app that is missbehaving or all of them |
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| 05:43.52 | qop_away | flamingspinach: np |
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| 05:43.58 | qop_away | just restart dbus daemon |
| 05:44.06 | flamingspinach | oh, it's dbus is it |
| 05:44.23 | qop_away | apparently |
| 05:44.37 | qop_away | or your key is indeed stuck... punch the keyoard |
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| 05:44.50 | flamingspinach | qop_away: I don't have a meta key, haha |
| 05:45.12 | qop_away | flamingspinach: mac keyboard or what |
| 05:45.16 | cardamon1m} | Who's got two thumbs and a working wlan0? |
| 05:45.20 | flamingspinach | no, standard windows keyboard |
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| 05:45.25 | cardamon1m} | THIS GUY. |
| 05:45.31 | qop_away | cardamon1m}: I am lacking the wlan part |
| 05:45.52 | qop_away | flamingspinach: meta1 is ctrl meta2 is windows key |
| 05:46.02 | qop_away | flamingspinach: names may vaary btut thats it |
| 05:46.08 | qop_away | numbers* |
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| 05:47.00 | qop_away | anyways, dbus restart should do, else Idk, g luck |
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| 05:48.01 | flamingspinach | but Qt recognizes the key labeled "Alt" as "Alt+whatever" |
| 05:48.01 | flamingspinach | so I can only assume that by "Meta+Ctrl+P" it means that it thinks I have a literal key named "Meta" (like the old lisp machines in the 80s used to have ctrl, meta, super, and hyper keys) |
| 05:48.14 | flamingspinach | whoops, lagged there |
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| 05:49.02 | flamingspinach | also that's mod1 and mod2, not meta1 and meta2, which are ctrl and win, I thought... |
| 05:49.19 | simonlnu | it's mod* not meta* |
| 05:49.23 | cardamon1m} | wants a noisy old model m |
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| 05:49.35 | flamingspinach | dbus restart didn't work D: |
| 05:49.48 | simonlnu | i just go for pkill or kill |
| 05:50.00 | flamingspinach | well, it restarted dbus, but that didn't fix the problem, is what I meant |
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| 05:54.23 | holben | I just discovered that I can boot up to my / partition even without an entry for it in fstab. Has fstab been obsoleted? |
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| 05:55.08 | cardamon | Hey guys, help me troubleshoot something else? Brand new 20" monitor but out of the box i'm only seeing 18.5" |
| 05:55.20 | flamingspinach | holben: the partition you boot from is determined by grub config, no? |
| 05:55.31 | BlastHardcheese | holben: no, how do you think the kernel mounts / if fstab is on / |
| 05:55.34 | cardamon | And gnome's monitor widget says I'm rocking 1920x1080 ... at 0Hz |
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| 05:56.50 | holben | BlastHardcheese: what is the use of fstab? |
| 05:57.43 | BlastHardcheese | holben: to tell mount what to mount and how to mount it |
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| 05:57.55 | gnarface | can anyone recommend a console-based battery level reader for old (we're talking pentium 2 era toshiba satellilte here - the old grey style) laptops? |
| 05:58.13 | gnarface | not sure if i should be looking into acpid or apm |
| 05:59.09 | holben | BlastHardcheese: to do so, it requires a line in fstab. I don't have that in my fstab and i can boot in to '/'. where does the system get the info to mount then? |
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| 06:00.13 | cardamon | I'm pretty sure where / is mounted is determined by grub. |
| 06:00.26 | cardamon | er not grup |
| 06:00.30 | cardamon | er not grub |
| 06:00.32 | cardamon | parted |
| 06:00.37 | BlastHardcheese | holben: the kernel looks for / as part of the boot process |
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| 06:00.44 | cardamon | when you make the partition you can assign a mount point |
| 06:01.23 | holben | BlastHardcheese: right, thks. |
| 06:01.27 | BlastHardcheese | holben: typically the kernel gets passed a root= parameter on the bootloader cmdline telling it where to look (if an initrd/initramfs isn't being used) |
| 06:01.56 | BlastHardcheese | it's your standard chicken-and-egg problem; how would the kernel use fstab to mount / if fstab is on / |
| 06:02.19 | holben | this was a side problem. I was trying to make my rsync backup drive bootable. how to do that? |
| 06:02.40 | BlastHardcheese | install a bootloader on it |
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| 06:03.15 | holben | BlastHardcheese: by installing grub? |
| 06:03.57 | BlastHardcheese | if that's the bootloader you want to use on it |
| 06:04.02 | cardamon | Huh. the install_flash tar.gz I got from adobe seemed to have an idea of files paths where it wanted to put everything...then it proceeded to dump on the floor like a dog who got into the medicine cabinet. |
| 06:04.31 | streuner_ | cardamon: is your wireless now working? |
| 06:05.05 | cardamon | streuner_: YES! |
| 06:05.13 | streuner_ | cardamon: magic? |
| 06:05.26 | holben | that's the bootloader i use. i have done a 'grub-install' on the backup drive but it won't boot. gives me S.M.A.R.T. error. |
| 06:05.27 | cardamon | Magic! |
| 06:05.41 | streuner_ | cardamon: so it was a configure thingie? |
| 06:05.45 | cardamon | streuner_: I magically went and compiled a different driver that actually works. |
| 06:06.13 | cardamon | Not a configure thingie so much as a driver no worky thingy. |
| 06:06.26 | streuner_ | cardamon: different driver? where did you get the source? |
| 06:06.46 | cardamon | streuner_: From ralink. I got the source that had 3062 in the name. |
| 06:07.10 | streuner_ | cardamon: oh, i see, fuck |
| 06:07.14 | cardamon | streuner_: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=71501 |
| 06:07.22 | streuner_ | great |
| 06:07.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, congratulate cardamon |
| 06:07.41 | dpkg | Good show cardamon, you did it! |
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| 06:08.04 | cardamon | streuner_: And AFAIK this problem is poping up on anyone who has a card with a RaLink 3062 device...and moving down to the staging drivers is the ONLY way any of them fix it. |
| 06:09.01 | cardamon | Now I'm dealing with the fact that I was sold 20" but I seem to be only using 18.5"...and a 0HZ, according to Gnome's randr front end. |
| 06:09.06 | streuner_ | hm, time to file a bugreport, well i didnt search for it now... |
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| 06:15.04 | streuner_ | cardamon: what kind of kernel did you use, btw? |
| 06:16.59 | cardamon | streuner_: 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 06:17.06 | cardamon | standard wheezy |
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| 06:17.17 | streuner_ | cardamon: Are you care to file a bugreport, if needed? |
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| 06:17.59 | cardamon | streuner_: Where do I go for that? |
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| 06:20.31 | streuner_ | cardamon: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 - on the right side is an entry "Bug reports". Search there if the bugreport exists. If not, just install reportbug (/msg dpkg reportbug) and use it... |
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| 06:22.30 | streuner_ | cardamon: wait, iam not sure, if thats more a think for LKMS is... |
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| 06:23.49 | streuner_ | s/LKMS/LKML/ |
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| 06:41.17 | xmaz | i have this error when i try to run a program: error while loading shared libraries: libOpenCL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:41.23 | xmaz | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:41.50 | ksk | your missing libOpenCL.so.1? |
| 06:41.51 | ksk | :x |
| 06:41.58 | ksk | try "aptitude search $foo" |
| 06:42.19 | ksk | this error is kinda self-explaining imho |
| 06:42.19 | arghx | xmaz: use the nvidia drivers |
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| 06:43.00 | arghx | xmaz: do you have an nvidia videocard? |
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| 06:45.08 | xmaz | no |
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| 06:46.25 | arghx | xmaz: you run ubuntu, so ask in #ubuntu only please |
| 06:47.11 | xmaz | its debian |
| 06:47.30 | arghx | xmaz: uname -r |
| 06:47.32 | jelly-home | !tell xmaz about apt-file |
| 06:47.36 | jelly-home | !tell xmaz about search |
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| 06:49.32 | jelly-home | xmaz: use apt-file, or packages.debian.org, or /msg judd file libOpenCL.so.1, to find the package containing the library your precompiled third- (or first-)party binary needs |
| 06:49.45 | jelly-home | then install it |
| 06:50.25 | cardamon | lspci isn't telling me anything useful about my graphics card. |
| 06:50.44 | streuner_ | cardamon: you need the pciid |
| 06:50.55 | streuner_ | available via -nn |
| 06:51.00 | cardamon | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1040] (rev a1) |
| 06:51.03 | cardamon | 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation HDMI Audio stub [10de:0e08] (rev a1) |
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| 06:51.25 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 10de:1040 |
| 06:51.28 | judd | [10de:1040] is 'GT520 [GeForce GT520]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1040 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 06:51.50 | cardamon | Thanks judd |
| 06:51.57 | cardamon | And streuner_ |
| 06:51.59 | streuner_ | judd, what are you? |
| 06:52.15 | streuner_ | cardamon: judd is a bot like dpkg |
| 06:52.20 | cardamon | A bot with narrow set of response apparently. |
| 06:52.23 | cardamon | I'm aware. |
| 06:52.28 | streuner_ | ok |
| 06:52.31 | cardamon | Doesn't stop me from thanking. |
| 06:52.34 | jelly-home | that one will work better with non-free drivers |
| 06:52.54 | cardamon | non-free...as in the Nvidia ones? |
| 06:52.59 | jelly-home | yes |
| 06:53.05 | jelly-home | cardamon: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 06:53.52 | arghx | and nvidia drivers from testing or sid, backported. squeeze ones won't work |
| 06:54.25 | cardamon | arghx: I have testing |
| 06:55.29 | xmaz | arghx: Linux server 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 25 05:59:43 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:56.56 | cardamon | Soooo...do I need to download a driver? |
| 06:57.09 | arghx | cardamon: jelly told you what to do |
| 06:57.11 | cardamon | I already have nouveau |
| 06:57.49 | cardamon | arghx: Yeah, but it's spits out something specific to Squeeze. |
| 06:58.00 | arghx | it works the same in wheezy |
| 06:58.08 | cardamon | Or rather, 2.6.x kernels. |
| 06:58.12 | streuner_ | dpkg, nvidia dkms |
| 06:58.12 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 06:58.38 | arghx | with the difference of the kernel headers maybe. use linux-headers-$(uname -r) instead |
| 06:58.55 | jelly-home | cardamon: be creative. |
| 06:59.08 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 07:00.22 | jelly-home | well, Debian's going to update nouveau sooner or later so it may be even usable, but it usually has way more glitches than the alternative |
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| 07:02.31 | phatypus | i installed virtualbox via aptitude and have been updating via aptitude until without issue until recently -- aptitude was taking ages to download the virtualbox update, so I manually downloaded virtualboxes current deb file (the same version available via aptitude - 4.1.4) directly from their website and installed it without issue, but aptitude still wants to update virtualbox every time i rerun "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". anyone know why this is h |
| 07:02.31 | phatypus | appening? |
| 07:03.01 | somiaj | phatypus: apt-cache policy vituralbox |
| 07:03.12 | somiaj | phatypus: you can also 'hold' the package if you don't want debians version |
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| 07:05.00 | cardamon | weird I think it froze when I hit echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 07:05.04 | phatypus | somiaj, thank you! found the issue |
| 07:05.33 | phatypus | <--- |
| 07:06.04 | cardamon | The terminal I did it is froze and won't respond to C-Z |
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| 07:11.06 | giwe | Is there a native package for screen recording? |
| 07:11.40 | giwe | someone recommended xvidcap but I think that is not part of debian. |
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| 07:12.53 | mute_ | Alright sweet. |
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| 07:13.02 | cardamon | Thanks guys. |
| 07:13.09 | cardamon | That clear up several things. |
| 07:13.10 | streuner_ | giwe: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 07:13.33 | cardamon | OpenGL, the missing screen realestate, and the mysterioux 0 hertz. |
| 07:13.38 | streuner_ | giwe, the package is in Debian Multimedia... |
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| 07:14.04 | streuner_ | judd, versions xvidcap |
| 07:14.06 | judd | Package: xvidcap on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.2; squeeze-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.6; sid-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.7; wheezy-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.7 |
| 07:15.03 | streuner_ | giwe: please keep the convo in the channel |
| 07:15.08 | cardamon | Now here's one. I need to move a large amount of files between two machines on this network. Is ssh and scp my best bet? |
| 07:15.43 | nevyn | cardamon: define large. |
| 07:15.49 | streuner_ | giwe: what do you mean by is debian multimedia native? well, its not official, if you mean that |
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| 07:16.09 | giwe | so no official way of doing that? |
| 07:16.15 | giwe | some other package? |
| 07:16.24 | cardamon | nevyn: About 70GBs. |
| 07:17.24 | nevyn | cardamon: wifi, fasteth, gigabit, better than gigabit (infiniband/myranet/10gigE) |
| 07:17.27 | streuner_ | giwe: the project itself (dmm) is not official, but the maintainer is a DD... |
| 07:17.35 | streuner_ | giwe: so just use that |
| 07:17.54 | giwe | streuner_: humn okay. seems it is the best way then. |
| 07:17.57 | nevyn | cardamon: so if you have fast machines and network that's gigabit or slower scp should easily outrun the wire. |
| 07:18.14 | nevyn | if you have 10gige then tar+netcat might be worth messing with |
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| 07:18.37 | giwe | streuner_: I've once added dmm and it seems it replaced a bunch of other packages, so I didn't want to mix up. |
| 07:19.08 | streuner_ | giwe: just show us your sources.list in pastebin, please. |
| 07:19.20 | cardamon | loves pastebinit |
| 07:19.42 | streuner_ | giwe: normally it should use some depends, but not replace existing packages |
| 07:19.49 | giwe | streuner_: I no longer have it. I have only the official debian there |
| 07:19.53 | cardamon | apt-get install pastebinit, then send everything to pastebinit with a pipe so you can post here. |
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| 07:20.17 | cardamon | saves so much time |
| 07:20.24 | cardamon | Oh, hi me. |
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| 07:21.30 | cardamon | nevyn: wifi. And while my box has gigabit, my router probably does not. |
| 07:21.49 | giwe | streuner_: like vlc, as I recall. |
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| 07:23.44 | giwe | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/pBiYFgc2 |
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| 07:24.45 | giwe | nice this pastebinit |
| 07:25.51 | cardamon | Yup. |
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| 07:25.59 | streuner_ | nice, the entry for <dmm> is missing, but anyway xvidcap seems to be not up-to-date anymore |
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| 07:26.58 | giwe | streuner_: seems trouble then |
| 07:27.15 | cardamon | Is there a guide for getting ssh up and running? |
| 07:27.18 | giwe | I heard of wink too. anyone using it? |
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| 07:28.05 | cardamon | problem is, I don't know if it will evenwork or not. Both machines are behind a NAT with DHCP and no dns. |
| 07:28.20 | cardamon | I'm pretty clueless on networking. |
| 07:28.45 | arghx | you must portforard the ssh port to the ssh server |
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| 07:29.17 | arghx | from the debian side, all you need to do is apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 07:30.17 | cardamon | arghx: I just did. |
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| 07:30.52 | cardamon | arghx: port forward or map? |
| 07:30.59 | cardamon | I never did understand the difference. |
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| 07:32.47 | arghx | port forward. so that any traffic to port 22 on your router's WAN gets redirected to port 22 on your debian machine with sshd |
| 07:33.23 | dioz_ | anyone tried tmux vs. screen? is it lighter? |
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| 07:34.36 | cardamon | In hindsight...naming two devices the same hostname was a bad idea |
| 07:36.15 | felidae | always a bad idea |
| 07:37.31 | cardamon | Guh, this crummy device doesn't call anything sensibly |
| 07:38.49 | felidae | dioz_: tmux is newer and actively developed |
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| 07:42.19 | adac | Hi guys! With apt how can I see the current status (how many packages would be needed to be updated) |
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| 07:43.10 | ksk | aptitude safe-upgrade -s - not exactly what you want, but the same result |
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| 07:45.24 | adac | ksk, I see! thx! |
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| 07:49.47 | cardamon | Any danger in using scp to send 70gbs of data over my network? |
| 07:50.31 | PerfDave | I'd use rsync, easier to continue if the transfer is interrupted. |
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| 07:51.04 | cardamon | got a guide for that? |
| 07:51.22 | cardamon | I just setup ssh for it. |
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| 07:53.44 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 07:54.13 | mah454 | How can mount .img files ? receive this message on dmesg : SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.0 filesystems are unsupported |
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| 07:55.08 | guardian1 | please, what was that bot command again? that says why a package isn't in testing |
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| 07:56.44 | cardamon | aha |
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| 08:07.48 | jelly-home | guardian1: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
| 08:08.37 | jelly-home | (it also teaches you English a bit) |
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| 08:12.18 | guardian1 | jelly-home: thx |
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| 08:17.33 | zyg | Hi! on dual monitor, how do you switch focus? |
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| 08:23.12 | qiyong | hi, my byobu hard status is blank. why |
| 08:23.57 | arghx | qiyong: which debian version? |
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| 08:28.01 | boudiccas | qiyong; what version of ubuntu are you running? |
| 08:28.34 | jelly-home | !spank boudiccas |
| 08:28.34 | dpkg | bends boudiccas over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 08:29.45 | jelly-home | cardamon: guide for rsync? Make sure it's installed at both ends. |
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| 08:30.26 | jelly-home | then use rsync -a source dest:ination/ or rsync -Pa if you like scrolling output |
| 08:30.59 | jelly-home | it will use ssh for connectivity by default |
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| 08:37.33 | qiyong | boudiccas: oneiric |
| 08:38.10 | boudiccas | qiyong; so its not debian then |
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| 08:48.42 | simonlnu | qiyong: you gotta stop asking in here. we tell you every time. |
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| 08:48.58 | boudiccas | qiyong; i'm not aware of any debian version called 'oneiric', as such we cant help you |
| 08:49.32 | simonlnu | there isn't. as you said, it's ubuntu. NOT supported here. |
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| 08:50.56 | Mogget | Hey guys: I have a problem with some virtual machines i have. I made a mistake and did a "aptitude upgrade" instead of "aptitude safe-upgrade" on 4 machines. That resulted in a kernel upgrade |
| 08:50.59 | Luca | ciao |
| 08:51.09 | Luca | !list |
| 08:51.09 | dpkg | luca: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:51.49 | Mogget | Now that i have the new kernel installed iptables comes with this error: "invalid module format" |
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| 08:52.20 | sauvin | What "new kernel"? |
| 08:52.47 | sauvin | Oh... sorry. iptables is also a kernel module, iirc, and has to match the kernel level you're using. |
| 08:53.22 | sauvin | This, by the way, is why I never do an in-place upgrade. I always do fresh installs. |
| 08:53.31 | simonlnu | several modules in fact |
| 08:53.34 | Mogget | shouldn't depmod -a resolve that issue? |
| 08:53.52 | sauvin | Not if you don't have the kernel modules that match the kernel revision you're using. |
| 08:54.02 | simonlnu | yes and no. module format almost sounds like different arches |
| 08:54.12 | colo-work | what hypervisor are you using? |
| 08:54.15 | Mogget | xen |
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| 08:54.26 | rascal999 | other than chroot, is it possible to restrict file access to certain users? |
| 08:54.31 | colo-work | do your guests use the host's kernel image, or do they have a kernel image of their own? |
| 08:54.49 | Mogget | each have theyre own kernel from the repoes |
| 08:55.13 | colo-work | did you compile some (iptables-)modules in the guest systems on your own? |
| 08:55.24 | simonlnu | rascal999: yes. fs permissions, users, groups(, and acls). like any other unix system |
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| 08:55.42 | Mogget | no, all upgrading and installing of software has been done through aptitude |
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| 08:57.48 | rascal999 | is it possible to restrict access to world readable files to certain users? |
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| 08:59.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | put the files in a directory the people don't have access too |
| 08:59.40 | rascal999 | would it be possible to set a mask? So the user has rwxrwx--- ? |
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| 09:01.49 | simonlnu | they can change that easily themselves. |
| 09:01.50 | sauvin | What kinds of files and what kinds of users? |
| 09:02.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm? |
| 09:02.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | !watyttd |
| 09:02.19 | themill | removes Kamping_Kaiser's funky utf-8-ness |
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| 09:02.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | :| |
| 09:02.45 | simonlnu | wayttd foo |
| 09:02.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | its not deliberate |
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| 09:03.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm lagged by ~50 seconds, so i'm lucky to be seeing whats going on at all :p |
| 09:03.34 | simonlnu | yikes |
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| 09:03.39 | colo-work | rascal999, by using POSIX ACLs, it is |
| 09:03.54 | rascal999 | colo-work: this will do what i'd like? |
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| 09:04.22 | sauvin | How much time are you willing to spend learning how to use ACLs in addition to the traditional UNIX perms you don't understand yet? |
| 09:05.42 | simonlnu | sauvin++ |
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| 09:06.46 | rascal999 | sauvin: so asking if other can be restricted makes me not understand perms? You're not very helpful |
| 09:07.08 | arghx | rascal999: since you have to ask about them, it's pretty self evident, no? |
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| 09:16.06 | sephii | I just installed cmus and imported my library in it, but I really don't understand how to use the view 1: how can I browse an artist's albums? If I press enter on an artist, it just starts playing all songs |
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| 09:45.40 | zW | Hi fellow debian users. On 25 Sep Norbert Tretkowski said "I really really hope to find some time next week to upload it to |
| 09:45.49 | zW | experimental" about mysql 5.5.x |
| 09:45.52 | zW | any news about that ? :-) |
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| 09:48.00 | jxrgx | hi all |
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| 09:48.29 | themill | zW: apparently he didn't find time. |
| 09:48.38 | jxrgx | how can I debug getent passwd? I am using winbind in nsswitch and getent group is working as wbinfo commands. |
| 09:49.09 | jxrgx | but getent is not working. It is very strange and I don't know how to debug for finding the problem |
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| 09:50.14 | zW | themill: grmbl ! :) |
| 09:51.19 | netsan | :-( my motherboard network card connector is gone |
| 09:51.55 | boudiccas | netsan; gone where? we need more information, like, what do you mean by 'gone'? |
| 09:52.20 | netsan | i'm, talking about the connector, not debian related issue, just saying |
| 09:52.21 | netsan | :-( |
| 09:52.28 | arghx | boudiccas: realtek repossessed it after he failed to pay the bills |
| 09:52.30 | netsan | and no more PCI free ports. |
| 09:53.07 | boudiccas | netsan; buy a new one |
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| 09:54.37 | dym | hey - ive installed lucid from debootstrap on 2 Raid1 MD Drives with GPT - i cannot seem to get grub2 to install correctly. i keep getting /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0'. - Anyone got an idea? |
| 09:54.49 | dym | (disregard the distro here - dont think its an issue) |
| 09:55.00 | boudiccas | netsan; if the connector is defunct, and you have no spare connectors, then maybe you ought to start looking at getting a new motherboard, as that one is obviously dying on you |
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| 09:59.06 | boudiccas | dym; lucid? that sounds like ubuntu, in which case we cant help you. please ask in #ubuntu |
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| 09:59.56 | dym | boudiccas: did you happen to catch the next line? |
| 10:00.08 | themill | dym: did you happen to catch that this is #debian? |
| 10:00.13 | dym | i did indeed |
| 10:00.22 | dym | You may know that Ubuntu is Debian based? |
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| 10:00.28 | themill | dym: we have no idea what or how ubuntu's grub packages are set up. Please ask them. |
| 10:00.51 | dym | Note to self: Correct questions beforehand. |
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| 10:00.54 | dym | THanks anyways. |
| 10:01.12 | themill | dym: no, just ask in the right channel. |
| 10:01.19 | dym | All good themill ;) |
| 10:02.57 | dym | Hallo zusammen. Nach der Installation von lucid auf einer GPT Platte mit 3 MD devices, kann ich grub2 nicht zur installation bewegen. Ich bekomme permanent: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0'. |
| 10:03.01 | dym | sorry |
| 10:03.07 | dym | Hallo zusammen. Nach der Installation von lucid auf einer GPT Platte mit 3 MD devices, kann ich grub2 nicht zur installation bewegen. Ich bekomme permanent: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `md0'. Jemand ne Idee? |
| 10:03.12 | dym | ARGH |
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| 10:03.18 | dym | Not my day. |
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| 10:03.34 | boudiccas | dym; and again you compound the error, do you know how to use IRC? |
| 10:03.41 | netsan | boudiccas, to buy a new motherboard :? because a network card connector? |
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| 10:04.07 | dym | boudiccas: mispasted. i was trying to compose an error description. |
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| 10:04.14 | dym | boudiccas: sorry for not beeing unfailable. |
| 10:04.15 | boudiccas | netsan; if a network connector is defunct i wouldnt trust the motherboard, and would look to replace it |
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| 10:09.43 | arghx | got a problem with a laptop here. I try to assoicate to a wlan router wpa. it tells me it is associated but can't get an IP. it tries for 5 minutes now with no end in sight. the router itself said long ago that it logged in the laptop and assigned the ip .109 |
| 10:10.13 | arghx | so supposedly the router long ago answered the dhcp request but the laptop is ignoring it and presumably trying again and again |
| 10:10.57 | arghx | any suggestion what i could check in logs or whatever? |
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| 10:36.22 | tomlabirt | Hello. I have put a hdd to another computer and in the new one when it's trying to boot writes: "LILO Loading Linux............" And reboots. There is debian 2.2 on the hard drive. Anybody an idea, what can i do? |
| 10:37.15 | themill | take it to the local science museum and give it to them as a new exhibit |
| 10:38.24 | boudiccas | tomlabirt; backup, then install an up-to-date debian of 6.0.3 aka squeeze |
| 10:39.33 | themill | assuming that it's supported by the hardware |
| 10:39.44 | boudiccas | tomlabirt; to backup, you may need to put the h/d back into the old machine to do it |
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| 10:41.34 | iderik | Why do the standard directories (like Desktop, Pictures, etc) begin with a capitalized character? I though the rule of style was to keep it as lowercase characters |
| 10:41.48 | petemc | rule os style ? |
| 10:41.51 | petemc | of |
| 10:42.00 | aidalgol | iderik: I think those directories come from FreeDesktop.org |
| 10:42.19 | aidalgol | Which has different conventions from the UNIX traditions. |
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| 10:43.23 | iderik | aidalgol: hmm, im not sure what to say.. it just feels weird to mix with both lower and upper case. what are your thoughts about it? |
| 10:43.25 | flamingspinach | wtf? even rebooting doesn't fix my "stuck key" problem |
| 10:43.39 | Sevet | boudiccas: he should be able to backup from a livecd |
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| 10:44.18 | aidalgol | iderik: I don't really have an opinion. I think a lot of Windows idioms were dragged over to Linux DEs over time. |
| 10:45.11 | iderik | aidalgol: just of curiousity, what windowmanager do you use? |
| 10:45.39 | aidalgol | iderik: StumpWM on my netbook; Xfce on my desktop (though I'm going to try Gnome3, and possibly switch). |
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| 10:54.38 | mah454 | Hello ... |
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| 10:57.34 | minna | Hi, i have a problem with a mail bouncing. It references to being blocked by this: http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-dsn.php But i don't understand what it means? Perhaps someone can explain to me what is wrongy configured. |
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| 10:59.28 | mah454 | I need more ram disk : http://pastebin.com/wfW7wDCP |
| 10:59.46 | mah454 | I need more ram disk size : http://pastebin.com/wfW7wDCP |
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| 11:02.25 | arghx | minna: sounds like your from: header is wrong |
| 11:03.04 | minna | arghx: but it works when sending the same email to other e-mail servers. |
| 11:03.09 | arghx | mah454: any special reason you need a bigger ramdisk and how is your paste helpful for that goal? |
| 11:03.12 | minna | arghx: but not to this server. |
| 11:03.25 | Sevet | minna: looks (one of) your mail servers won't allow receiving messages from the address <>, which is required to be allowed to receive bounce messages. your domain has been listed as not allowing that, and the server you're trying to send to is blacklisting you as a result. |
| 11:03.59 | Sevet | are all your mx records correct, and what mail server are you running? |
| 11:04.09 | mah454 | arghx, i not know ! i need bigger ram disk ... (80 MB) |
| 11:04.20 | arghx | mah454: what for? |
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| 11:05.11 | arghx | mah454: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-create-linux-ram-disk-filesystem/ |
| 11:05.36 | themill | mah454: explaining how you made the ramdisk in the first place might be helpful. |
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| 11:06.00 | Sevet | minna: you should check you can receive emails to postmaster@yourdomain too |
| 11:06.01 | minna | Sevet: im running dovecot using postfix, it seems to be postfix that's throwing this error. I would guess something is wrong with DNS settings, since im still learning about it. I have setup mail.domain.com as an MX record and mail.domain.com as an A record. I have setup an FQDN as an A record pointing to subdomain.domain.com and provided that FQDN to postfix when it asked for it. |
| 11:06.31 | minna | The hostname of the server is also the same as the FQDN. |
| 11:07.06 | mah454 | themill, arghx .... i can not mount .img (this file is in centos installation ISO) now I need use dd for copy .img file to ramdisk and ... |
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| 11:08.20 | mah454 | this is dmesg error : "[10150.382827] SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.0 filesystems are unsupported" |
| 11:09.04 | Rienzilla | ehm |
| 11:09.17 | Rienzilla | that looks like it has nothing to do with the size of a ramdisk |
| 11:09.34 | themill | looks a lot like an xy-problem |
| 11:09.46 | Rienzilla | xy-problem? |
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| 11:11.33 | mah454 | I changed "max locked memory" to 80000 (this command : ulimit -l 80000 |
| 11:11.46 | mah454 | I changed "max locked memory" to 80000 (this command : ulimit -l 80000) . but my problem not fixed ! |
| 11:11.53 | und3f | Good day. How can i point sendmail to use esmtp? Just delete /usr/sbin/sendmail and make it a soft link to esmtp executable or there is a better way? |
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| 11:12.24 | Sevet | !tell Rienzilla about xy problem |
| 11:12.27 | arghx | und3f: is there a special reason you need to use those MTAs? |
| 11:12.41 | mah454 | :D xy problem ! |
| 11:13.23 | und3f | arghx, no special reason, i've used it on other systems for smtp. |
| 11:13.56 | minna | arghx: any suggestions to my problem? |
| 11:14.57 | arghx | minna: didn't Sevet suggest already? |
| 11:15.06 | arghx | !info esmtp |
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| 11:15.12 | arghx | ,info esmtp |
| 11:15.15 | judd | Package esmtp (mail, extra) in squeeze/i386: user configurable relay-only MTA. Version: 1.2-4squeeze1; Size: 47.7k; Installed: 164k; Homepage: http://esmtp.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:15.24 | arghx | und3f: so install it |
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| 11:15.43 | DonAlex | Afternoon all.. |
| 11:16.00 | und3f | arghx, i've installed and configured, but it didn't replaced /usr/sbin/sendmail with link to esmtp |
| 11:16.23 | und3f | And i don't want to replace in manually, 'coz it could be broken after next upgrade |
| 11:16.30 | minna | Oh i mean, Sevet |
| 11:17.10 | arghx | und3f: and you really really never want to replace that link |
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| 11:17.19 | DonAlex | Not strictly speaking a Debian question. but does anyone know what has happened to mondorescue? Web site seems broken and no DNS records for svn and no ftp server for file. Packages have also been pulled from Debian upstream? |
| 11:17.26 | arghx | und3f: do a dpkg -S /usb/sbin/sendmail |
| 11:19.02 | Sevet | minna: go to http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/ and use the lookup to see if your domain is listed. if it is, perhaps the problem no longer exists and you're still blacklisted. verify whether you can send a mail from <> to postmaster@yourdomain and see whether it gets rejected. if it's rejected look at why, if it's accepted then try contacting them to remove your entry |
| 11:19.23 | Sevet | you won't be able to send to that server while you're blacklisted, even if you've corrected the problem |
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| 11:28.40 | JyZyXEL | ideas what i should do when reading a certain file consistently causes a "end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 17332176" ? |
| 11:29.53 | Sevet | possibly a bad block |
| 11:30.06 | JyZyXEL | yes, how do i fix it though |
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| 11:30.40 | rst | morning |
| 11:30.50 | JyZyXEL | it causes an error every night during the backups |
| 11:30.54 | Iridos | buy a new disk? |
| 11:30.59 | arghx | JyZyXEL: you checked your kernel log when the error happens? |
| 11:31.12 | JyZyXEL | arghx: yes when reading a certain file |
| 11:31.16 | arghx | first thing to do (if it's a bad block) |
| 11:31.29 | arghx | JyZyXEL: I asked if you checked the log. please do it. it tells you the actual error |
| 11:31.32 | JyZyXEL | the file is obviously corrupted because of a bad sector on the media |
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| 11:32.01 | Pupskucheen | Hey everybody. I reinstalled debian yesterday because nothing worked anymore. Now, on startup, this error is shown: |
| 11:32.02 | Pupskucheen | Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[ 5.658282] Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... |
| 11:32.02 | Pupskucheen | [ 5.672259] ACPI: I/O resource 0000:00:1f.3 [0x1c00-0x1c1f] conflicts with PI region SMBI [0x1c00-0x1c0f] |
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| 11:32.06 | arghx | and if it's bad media you need to run a long SMART test upon which the bad sector should be mapped out. but bad sectors is a warning sign for a bad disk |
| 11:32.24 | rst | anyone happen to know of a FS that [probably using COW] would allow me to "cp 20gb 20gb.copy" in a millisecond kind of time scale |
| 11:32.31 | Iridos | that's what I meant... was my comment too short? :) |
| 11:32.43 | JyZyXEL | i doubt the firmware supports SMART testing |
| 11:32.44 | arghx | JyZyXEL: if the SMART test doesn't help, you can manually designate it as a bad block with badblocks but not all filesystems honor that |
| 11:32.49 | Sevet | JyZyXEL: fsck's -c option will scan the disk for bad blocks and add any found to the list |
| 11:32.51 | arghx | JyZyXEL: what harddisk is it? |
| 11:33.05 | JyZyXEL | its a solid state disk from Kingspec |
| 11:33.12 | Sevet | as for getting that file back, you'll want to get it from your backups since that block probably won't be readable any longer |
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| 11:33.37 | arghx | then it does wear levelling automatically. but then kingspec. is this one of the famous 1.8" ones for pata and such? |
| 11:33.49 | arghx | JyZyXEL: or asked another way: do you own a thinkpad x40? |
| 11:33.51 | JyZyXEL | its the famous crappy ones, not 1.8" tho |
| 11:33.57 | rst | Pupskucheen: give the that speaker is a PITA, i often blacklist that module anyway :) |
| 11:33.58 | JyZyXEL | with the really bad controller |
| 11:34.05 | arghx | I suggest badblocks then |
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| 11:34.11 | arghx | if you use ext3 |
| 11:34.24 | JyZyXEL | ext4 |
| 11:34.33 | arghx | dunno if it works there, but should too |
| 11:34.42 | Pupskucheen | rst: Could you explain me what exactly I have to do? I'm not a debian pro :) |
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| 11:35.12 | JyZyXEL | if i replaced the corrupt file from my backups, wouldn't it overwrite the badblock? |
| 11:35.15 | Sevet | fsck's -c option'll run badblocks during the filesystem check and add those found to the list in the filesystem so they're not used in future (running badblocks directly will only give you the list of blocks, not mark them as unusable) |
| 11:35.19 | JyZyXEL | possibly remapping it |
| 11:35.29 | Sevet | -c does a read-only test, -cc a non-destructive read-write test |
| 11:35.49 | rst | Pupskucheen: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 11:36.20 | arghx | no badblock means ext4 will never ever use it again. so unless you do a raw disk copy with dd, you will never notice it again |
| 11:36.31 | Sevet | JyZyXEL: it'd probably store it elsewhere on the disk, but that block could still be used again if it's not in the badblocks inode so it'll come back |
| 11:36.55 | JyZyXEL | yeah i don't want that |
| 11:37.14 | arghx | JyZyXEL: you shoul restore the file from backups since the data there is corrupted anyways |
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| 11:37.38 | JyZyXEL | happened to be a file i don't even need |
| 11:37.41 | arghx | Sevet: do you think the disk will remap (wear leveling) that block and it will show up again? |
| 11:37.52 | arghx | then map it as a badblock and delete the file |
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| 11:38.08 | Pupskucheen | rst: blacklist PITA ? |
| 11:38.25 | JyZyXEL | couldn't i try simply writing to the sector, since i know its address? |
| 11:38.31 | JyZyXEL | see if the firmware remaps it |
| 11:38.47 | arghx | yes you can. the firmware should do that |
| 11:39.03 | rst | Pupskucheen: blacklist pcspkr |
| 11:39.04 | JyZyXEL | however the command needs to be exact |
| 11:39.10 | JyZyXEL | its really dangerous |
| 11:39.26 | Pupskucheen | rst: How can I create/edit that file in bash? |
| 11:39.36 | Pupskucheen | I forgot that command >:/ |
| 11:40.02 | JyZyXEL | so im not sure how i would best guarantee that im writing to the damaged sector 17332176 |
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| 11:40.22 | rst | Pupskucheen: $EDITOR /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 11:40.31 | jelly | JyZyXEL: you can use hdparm |
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| 11:41.05 | jelly | JyZyXEL: how many uncorrectable sectors are there? |
| 11:41.05 | arghx | use dd: first read the sector to make sure you trigger the error and then write to that exact sector |
| 11:41.10 | JyZyXEL | jelly: just one |
| 11:41.47 | Sevet | once you've remapped it use badblocks to check for any others |
| 11:42.08 | jelly | JyZyXEL: alright. In that case, use hdparm --write-sector |
| 11:42.49 | JyZyXEL | that looks like the right tool for the job |
| 11:43.06 | Pupskucheen | rst: I'm logged in as root, but it says I don't have permissions |
| 11:43.22 | jelly | mind you, badblocks uses different block size by default so you _can't_ use the numbers as-is |
| 11:43.41 | rst | Pupskucheen: i'm sorry, i can't much help you. i have things to do |
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| 11:44.03 | JyZyXEL | yeah and doing block size conversions is always scary |
| 11:44.19 | jelly | fun stuff: on new, 4KiB ("advanced format") disks, a single UNC sector is actually 8 lost "logical" 512B sectors |
| 11:44.40 | jelly | and one needs to --write-sector all 8 |
| 11:44.45 | arghx | which is why I suggested you use dd to read the sector first, then you can use the almost same dd command to write back to that sector |
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| 11:45.26 | JyZyXEL | haha needs the, --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing |
| 11:46.24 | wimm | Pupskucheen - What does the command 'whoami' return? |
| 11:47.04 | JyZyXEL | re-writing sector 17332176: succeeded |
| 11:47.06 | JyZyXEL | sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 skip=17332176 |
| 11:47.09 | JyZyXEL | dd: reading `/dev/sda': Input/output error |
| 11:47.18 | Pupskucheen | wimm: my username? |
| 11:47.25 | JyZyXEL | looks like the chinese people didn't feel like implementing sector remapping |
| 11:47.44 | wimm | Pupskucheen - Your username or root? |
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| 11:48.20 | Pupskucheen | wimm: I'll check that after installing gnome, one moment pls^^ |
| 11:48.25 | JyZyXEL | and device doesn't support self testing |
| 11:48.43 | JyZyXEL | leave me with the option to simply remove the file and blacklist the block? |
| 11:49.02 | arghx | have you tried smartctl? |
| 11:49.07 | JyZyXEL | i did |
| 11:50.28 | arghx | and it has no SMART interface? wow |
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| 11:50.43 | JyZyXEL | it has some smart |
| 11:50.46 | JyZyXEL | not self test tho |
| 11:51.04 | JyZyXEL | it can provide some useless smart info |
| 11:51.25 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/aDgtVd6b |
| 11:51.55 | JyZyXEL | im happy i didn't buy more of them |
| 11:52.45 | arghx | smartctl -C -t long /dev/sda |
| 11:53.03 | JyZyXEL | Warning: device does not support Self-Test functions. |
| 11:53.26 | arghx | nice warning |
| 11:54.09 | Iridos | I like Unknown_Attribute |
| 11:54.29 | JyZyXEL | their oh so helpful |
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| 11:55.19 | JyZyXEL | maybe the manufacturer could read them and evaluate how badly they screwed the customer |
| 11:55.54 | waqs | i want to rebuild my mail server, i run postfix and dovecot. Whats the best way to backup and restore my emails |
| 11:56.17 | JyZyXEL | so does ext4 have the system to blacklist blocks or how does it work? |
| 11:56.56 | Sevet | there's an inode in ext2/3/4 that stores a list of bad blocks to avoid |
| 11:57.12 | JyZyXEL | how do i access it |
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| 11:57.26 | vigilant | ello |
| 11:57.29 | Sevet | badblocks can generate that list which can be used either by mkfs (when creating the fs) or fsck (to update the list on an existing system) |
| 11:57.46 | vigilant | may I change my resolv.conf nameservers on my VPS, to a better nameserver? |
| 11:57.48 | Sevet | 'fsck -c' or 'fsck -cc' will run badblocks and update it |
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| 11:58.19 | DonAlex | It will also add new badblocks to the list and remap inodes around them |
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| 11:58.43 | waqs | does anyone know if i can use a sas drive through a sata connector |
| 11:58.45 | DonAlex | Gotta love proper journaling filesystems ;) |
| 11:58.45 | JyZyXEL | it should be able to do it on a mounted filesystem i guess |
| 11:58.48 | waqs | can i just cut the connector? |
| 11:59.05 | DonAlex | mounted? Ummm best not ;) |
| 11:59.10 | JyZyXEL | why not |
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| 11:59.39 | DonAlex | Because from experience doing any kind of filesystem repair on a mounted filesystem ends in tears.. |
| 11:59.54 | Sevet | fsck -c -k to update instead of replace the list... |
| 11:59.55 | JyZyXEL | this one shouldn't |
| 12:00.22 | arghx | JyZyXEL: fsck on a mounted fs is a bad idea. at most, run it on a ro filesystem |
| 12:00.26 | DonAlex | Do what Sevet Suggests.. try to update the list and let the fs take care of the rest on the next reboot |
| 12:00.56 | DonAlex | badblocks can be run on a mounted fs in ro mode.. so that is a good thing |
| 12:01.17 | JyZyXEL | it should be able to run in rw mode too |
| 12:01.22 | Sevet | dumpe2fs -b will tell you the badblocks currently listed in the inode |
| 12:01.25 | vigilant | may I change my resolv.conf nameservers on my VPS, to a better nameserver? |
| 12:01.34 | DonAlex | Yes. but only if you want to possibly lose all your data ;) |
| 12:02.02 | Sevet | DonAlex: there are 2 rw tests, one is non-destructive (it reads data then writes the same data) |
| 12:02.02 | arghx | vigilant: of course you may |
| 12:02.02 | JyZyXEL | well maybe i should run badblocks separately, then look at the list manually |
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| 12:02.08 | JyZyXEL | there should only be 1 bad block |
| 12:02.28 | Sevet | that one's probably moderately safe to use, although i don't know if it's atomic so might cause problems if data's changing |
| 12:02.41 | JyZyXEL | blah it doesn't allow it |
| 12:02.56 | DonAlex | Sevet: I know that .. but for what he is suggesting best to stick to ro mode there is no need to test the integrity of the inodes if the fs will be checked next boot |
| 12:04.05 | DonAlex | It gets more complicated when the fs is in use after all. |
| 12:04.05 | minna | Sevet: thanks for the help, i tried sending with <> as from adress and got an instant error by thunderbird, it said i have to have an adress :-/ |
| 12:04.07 | vigilant | arghx: hehe ok |
| 12:04.11 | JyZyXEL | well i can't have my root partition in ro so i can't fix this problem |
| 12:04.16 | vigilant | arghx: A good nameserver is the google one right? |
| 12:04.52 | arghx | vigilant: it's one choice. if you want to give google more data to mine is your choice |
| 12:05.06 | JyZyXEL | one would think this kinda of problem could be solved without any huge disruption |
| 12:05.29 | Sevet | minna: try sending mail by connecting to the mailserver directly from nc |
| 12:05.32 | vigilant | arghx: lol, well, whats a good alternative? |
| 12:05.48 | JyZyXEL | guess ill see if i can set some attributes to the damaged file so it's purpose is just to keep the bad block from being mapped to anything important |
| 12:05.56 | JyZyXEL | and don't try to backup it |
| 12:07.16 | xmaz | configure: error: *** zlib missing - please install first or check config.log *** |
| 12:07.35 | xmaz | Any ideas what i can do, apt-get gives me errors |
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| 12:08.23 | Sevet | xmaz: install the zlib dev package |
| 12:08.43 | vigilant | works a lot better arghx |
| 12:08.44 | vigilant | :) |
| 12:08.46 | vigilant | Thanks a lot! |
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| 12:09.02 | Sevet | xmaz: looks like zlib1g-dev on squeeze |
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| 12:10.49 | JyZyXEL | hmm i guess there not really a way to make a file unreadable by root |
| 12:11.41 | DonAlex | JyZyXEL: If you are not careful the badblock will cause such fs corruption that the kernel will automatically remount it ro. Had that happen a few times.. |
| 12:12.05 | DonAlex | Play it safe and ALWAYS BACK UP ;) |
| 12:12.05 | JyZyXEL | not as long as the block isn't mapped to anything important |
| 12:12.41 | DonAlex | You won't know what is important until you write to it and it fails ;) |
| 12:13.13 | JyZyXEL | well the write to it didn't fail |
| 12:13.24 | JyZyXEL | and also didn't cause a remap sadly |
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| 12:14.10 | JyZyXEL | so all i can do is not to use the bad block but apparently i can't tell the filesystem to do so without a major service disruption |
| 12:14.43 | JyZyXEL | thats going too far to fix a cosmetic problem in the log files |
| 12:15.05 | Sevet | if you're getting bad blocks you're getting data loss... that's more than a cosmetic problem |
| 12:15.20 | JyZyXEL | im getting one bad block |
| 12:15.24 | Sevet | especially if there are others you don't know about |
| 12:15.38 | DonAlex | Methinks that if it were so trivial it would hardly bother to log it now ;) |
| 12:15.44 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: first bad block is usually a sign of a dying drive. in my experience |
| 12:15.46 | Sevet | on a magnetic disk once you get one you tend to get more afterwards |
| 12:15.54 | Sevet | don't know if that goes for SSDs too |
| 12:16.01 | nkuttler | mmh, ssd.. |
| 12:16.09 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: this with ssd's? |
| 12:16.17 | DonAlex | Depends if there is wear levelling in place...and that depends on the kernel vesion |
| 12:16.26 | nkuttler | nope. just on my first ssd, intel, and hope it will work a looong time |
| 12:16.29 | Sevet | last time i had one on a magnetic disk the entire platter died 2 days later |
| 12:16.37 | JyZyXEL | well im on my fist ssd too |
| 12:16.43 | JyZyXEL | so well see |
| 12:17.13 | DonAlex | Sevet: Lucky you had 48 hours warning.. I have had one fail in less than an hour.. good thing there was not much to back up |
| 12:17.32 | JyZyXEL | for now i haven't had problem with other sectors that are in use |
| 12:17.37 | Sevet | DonAlex: was a home computer, in a server it probably would've been an hour |
| 12:18.05 | DonAlex | ;) Hour is a long time in computing.. |
| 12:18.07 | Sevet | was fun, every sector worked fine up to 66.67% then nothing :) |
| 12:18.09 | DonAlex | hehe |
| 12:18.10 | JyZyXEL | nkuttler: i hope the intel ones come with a better firmware |
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| 12:18.43 | DonAlex | Sevet: That is why I love dd_rescue.. :) |
| 12:18.44 | nkuttler | JyZyXEL: plugged it in, works |
| 12:19.31 | Sevet | yep, dd_rescue's great :) |
| 12:19.43 | JyZyXEL | having proper smart support and sector remapping would be nice things |
| 12:19.59 | DonAlex | What make of SSD is this? |
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| 12:20.05 | JyZyXEL | Kingspec |
| 12:20.09 | DonAlex | model ? |
| 12:20.49 | JyZyXEL | i do not remember |
| 12:20.58 | JyZyXEL | the cheapest one with the crappy jmicron controller |
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| 12:22.14 | DonAlex | Hmmm seems they do support TRIM adjustment.. so I doubt it is a firmware issue.. |
| 12:22.34 | JyZyXEL | not this one i don't think |
| 12:23.08 | arghx | JyZyXEL: is it for a X40? you never answered |
| 12:23.18 | JyZyXEL | whats X40 |
| 12:25.39 | DonAlex | Just bought it? "KingSpec Solid State Disk shows that no matter how is the using frequency, it minimum life-span is 8 years. " I'd take it back.. sounds like they give some sort of limited warranty. |
| 12:25.52 | arghx | X40 is a thinkpad notebook that can only use 1,8" PATA harddisks. and kingspec is a prime supplier for those together with some mangling |
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| 12:26.10 | JyZyXEL | naw i bought it over a year ago |
| 12:26.21 | JyZyXEL | probably some old model |
| 12:26.39 | arghx | and among X40 users there are many very happy, and there as many there are deeply unhappy since several SSDs all fail after around 6 months or so catastrophically |
| 12:27.01 | arghx | X40 is a laptop from 2004 or so. but durable and still good |
| 12:27.11 | JyZyXEL | Device Model: KingSpec KSD-SA25.1-032MJ |
| 12:28.02 | JyZyXEL | the performance is total crap |
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| 12:29.29 | JyZyXEL | http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7684/kingspecksd.jpg |
| 12:30.16 | JyZyXEL | its the infamous JMF60* controller with stuttering problems |
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| 12:31.20 | TheSudoer | hello, I need opinion on which Video driver to use I have a ATI Radeon HD 4850, should I use FGLRX or the drivers from ATI's website? |
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| 12:33.24 | abrotman | TheSudoer: those are teh same .. but ideally you would use the debian method |
| 12:33.30 | arghx | TheSudoer: fglrx. we don't support the drivers from amd.com. they break the packaging system too |
| 12:33.45 | TheSudoer | ah ok. |
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| 12:33.59 | abrotman | in the end, the same driver, just diffrent versions |
| 12:34.00 | Fudge | hi anyone able to steer me in right direction on how to label my grub-pc items without them being overwritten |
| 12:34.09 | arghx | TheSudoer: if fglrx from debian is too old for your taste, you can get them from sid and backport |
| 12:34.18 | TheSudoer | abrotman, ah ok. |
| 12:34.23 | TheSudoer | arghx, ok |
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| 12:35.01 | arghx | Fudge: you might have to partially rewrite the os-prober and assorted grub scripts? |
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| 12:35.28 | Fudge | in etc/grub.d arghx ? |
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| 12:36.53 | strae | hi all. i got a problem with wheezy and experimental repo: i added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main" to sources list, updated, but i cant find the package gnome3-session |
| 12:36.57 | arghx | yes. but I dunno if that's a good idea. but I don't see anything in /etc/default/grub so /etc/grub.d/ it is... |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | strae: a) don't do that b) you shouldn't have to c) be patient, gnome3 will be in testing in a few weeks |
| 12:38.31 | strae | abrotman: mmh ok.. i guess you're right ;) |
| 12:38.39 | web21 | Can anyone tell me why one sound module out of several never got set up to load automatically like the rest. |
| 12:39.57 | Trewas | strae: it's gnome-session, not gnome3-session |
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| 12:41.00 | babilen | strae: And gnome-session has been uploaded to sid already |
| 12:41.12 | babilen | ,versions gnome-session --release sid |
| 12:41.13 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-3 |
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| 12:45.51 | strae | babilen: i'll try, thanks! |
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| 12:46.36 | strae | ps: im playing with wheezy on vbox, in order to use it as main os when i will be able to use it ;) |
| 12:47.28 | abrotman | so you're mixing in unstable and experiental .. great plan |
| 12:47.48 | threadlock | is this on purpose? |
| 12:47.48 | threadlock | p lusca-common - Internet object cache (WWW proxy cache) - common files |
| 12:47.52 | threadlock | p lusca-dbg - Internet object cache (WWW prox cachey) - debug symbols |
| 12:47.57 | threadlock | "prox cachey"? |
| 12:48.11 | tomlabirt | How can i configure network on debian 6, without gui only in terminal? My computer is behind a router. |
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| 12:48.41 | arghx | threadlock: no. tell the maintainer as a low priority bug |
| 12:48.55 | arghx | threadlock: but check first if it's not already reported |
| 12:48.57 | babilen | threadlock: I am sure that this is not on purpose, but a typo in the package description. You could file a bug against lusca-dbg |
| 12:49.05 | arghx | threadlock: /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
| 12:49.44 | threadlock | that last line must've been meant for tomlabirt |
| 12:50.22 | babilen | tomlabirt: Also read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration in addition to the manpage |
| 12:50.44 | threadlock | i was thinking about mailing the maintainer, but you say i should go through the bug-tracker? |
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| 12:51.45 | arghx | yes it was |
| 12:51.53 | abrotman | is losing .. was about to type "/etc 1" as an irssi command |
| 12:51.55 | abrotman | losing it |
| 12:52.00 | arghx | threadlock: not that a ton of other people mail him. it's better to file a bug :) |
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| 12:53.31 | Ragnar | hey, how do I disbale diskcheck after 30 reboots? |
| 12:53.33 | Ragnar | in debian |
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| 12:53.54 | abrotman | you don't disable, you change the number of passes |
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| 12:54.08 | threadlock | ait, i'll try this reportbug then.. have som other bugs to report as well, i'm quite bad at doing that (sorry) |
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| 12:55.25 | Ragnar | well |
| 12:55.28 | Ragnar | I actually want to disable it |
| 12:55.32 | Ragnar | so it never happens |
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| 12:55.46 | Ragnar | but, I'd guess, 100000 reboots would be fair. |
| 12:57.06 | dTal | you could write a bootscript to zero out the counter :p |
| 12:57.08 | abrotman | Ragnar: you can disable it .. it's a really really bad idea |
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| 12:57.28 | abrotman | Ragnar: man tune2fs .. if you set the max mount count to 0 or -1 .. it will disable it |
| 12:57.29 | Ragnar | I've tried to explain it to them. |
| 12:57.34 | abrotman | dTal: or that |
| 12:57.53 | abrotman | Ragnar: copy/paste teh warning from the man page into an email to your system admin that wants to disable it |
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| 12:58.28 | Pupskucheen | I have a problem: I'm logged in now and I can't login as root (not in the sudoers file) what to do? |
| 12:58.56 | arghx | Pupskucheen: use your root password |
| 12:59.04 | Pupskucheen | I do. |
| 12:59.26 | babilen | Pupskucheen: "su -" + root password is not working? |
| 12:59.57 | babilen | Pupskucheen: You might also want to add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser Pups sudo" (or whatever your username is ;) |
| 13:00.06 | abrotman | .win 1 |
| 13:00.19 | babilen | !pal abrotman |
| 13:00.19 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs uproariously |
| 13:00.34 | Pupskucheen | babilen: I changed my (user) password, now its working... |
| 13:00.36 | menhi | I'm getting a lot of broken dependencies after I tried a huge dist-upgrade from an old Lenny machine to Squeeze. Neither apt-get nor aptitude will fix it (install -f). Is there any way to tell them to ignore all dependencies and just remove anything that isn't in the base system or the desktop task? |
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| 13:00.56 | Pupskucheen | How to add me to the sudoers list now? |
| 13:01.15 | Pupskucheen | Oh I got it |
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| 13:01.22 | babilen | Pupskucheen: As I said: The easiest way to achieve what you are trying to achieve is to add your user to the sudo group |
| 13:01.25 | Mogget | Hey guys: How come an installed guest has to have the same kernel installed as the xen server has when paravirtualizing?= |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | menhi: put it in a pastebin, along with your sources.list |
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| 13:01.58 | threadlock | is it possible to change from: address inside reportbug? |
| 13:02.04 | babilen | menhi: Did you follow the release notes when you upgraded? At which step are you running into problem? Please show us the complete output of the commands you are running on http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:02.19 | Iridos | abrotman, how long would you say does it take to test a 1TB filesystem? |
| 13:02.37 | Ragnar | abrotman: problem is |
| 13:02.46 | Ragnar | people are telling the sysadmin to disable it |
| 13:02.49 | Ragnar | (the boss) |
| 13:02.53 | Ragnar | < is the sysadmin. |
| 13:02.54 | Iridos | give or take an hour |
| 13:02.57 | menhi | babilen: Didn't follow any release notes, no. I thought it would be enough to just change the sources and dist-upgrade. |
| 13:02.57 | babilen | threadlock: Yes, read "man reportbug" and in particular the description of the "--email" option. |
| 13:03.05 | menhi | Re-running the commands now, will paste output. |
| 13:03.12 | abrotman | Iridos: depends on the filestystem |
| 13:03.17 | babilen | menhi: That is, unfortunately, not the case. |
| 13:03.22 | abrotman | Ragnar: so they know more than you? |
| 13:03.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell menhi -about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:03.37 | Iridos | well, looks like you were talking about ext4 |
| 13:03.51 | abrotman | Ragnar: didn't they hire you for your technical expertise ? |
| 13:03.56 | abrotman | Iridos: i wasn't ... |
| 13:04.24 | Iridos | well, about tune2fs and journaled filesystems... |
| 13:04.28 | abrotman | Ragnar: never doing a check is a horrible idea .. i'd like a time-based method as well .. but whatever |
| 13:04.31 | abrotman | Iridos: that's for ext3 also |
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| 13:04.36 | abrotman | and ext2 for that matter |
| 13:04.48 | Iridos | that's not journaled |
| 13:04.54 | abrotman | Ragnar: if you only reboot a server twice a year, you'll never get it checked |
| 13:04.55 | threadlock | babilen: ok, so i'll have to exit reportbug, that was all i wanted to know, thanks |
| 13:05.05 | abrotman | Iridos: you can still tune the max-mount-count with tune2fs |
| 13:05.27 | Iridos | I just wonder why you think it's a bad idea... having a 4-hour disk test run on a reboot seems like a bad idea to me |
| 13:05.39 | abrotman | Iridos: it depends how often it happens ... |
| 13:05.47 | menhi | babilen: It's not the firmware or kernel packages that I have problems with though. |
| 13:05.48 | babilen | threadlock: You might also be interested in the EMAIL, DEBEMAIL and REPORTBUGEMAIL environment variables. |
| 13:05.55 | Iridos | once too often if you haven't accounted for the downtime? |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | Iridos: if you set the max-mount-count to 50 and reboot your ssystem once a month .. you won't check for four years |
| 13:05.59 | babilen | menhi: Show us |
| 13:06.16 | Iridos | abrotman, right... and then it'll check in a moment you don't expect it |
| 13:06.45 | Iridos | abrotman, so you're saying it's a bad idea to disable it, but a good idea to run it every 4 years, which amounts to "nearly never"? |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | Iridos: you can make the argument that it's better to set it to 50 and then then plan your downtown to do filesystem checks so the mount-count gets reset .. say for once every six motnsh on a sunday at 2am |
| 13:06.55 | Iridos | *because that amounts to "nearly never" |
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| 13:07.08 | abrotman | Iridos: i didn't say that .. i'm saying that would suit his purposes .. |
| 13:07.23 | Iridos | well, but you can do planned checks anyway... |
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| 13:07.31 | threadlock | babilen: thanks, i read the manual, i just wanted to know if i had to start all over again, and i did |
| 13:07.45 | abrotman | Iridos: don't argue with me .. i do planned checks .. i don't leave it to chance .. but setting it to never is a bad idea IMO |
| 13:07.59 | Iridos | well, I just don't see why you think so |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | because if you have a filesystem error .. you might never know ? |
| 13:08.33 | Iridos | either you do planned checks or you don't... in both cases I don't see so much of an advantage of a counter ticking away unattended |
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| 13:08.57 | Iridos | abrotman, and with it set to 50 you'll know in 3 years? |
| 13:08.58 | Iridos | mmh |
| 13:09.06 | abrotman | i don't set mine to 50 |
| 13:09.09 | abrotman | i said *he* could |
| 13:09.50 | Iridos | does xfs do periodic checks? |
| 13:10.31 | arghx | Iridos: never noticed it doing. but it's headless so hard to notice... |
| 13:10.39 | abrotman | Iridos: i don't recall. haven't used xfs in a very long time |
| 13:11.51 | menhi | babilen, abrotman: aptitude dist-upgrade output: http://pastebin.com/JdsX9Swr |
| 13:12.06 | menhi | This is after I've ran it a couple of times and accepted its "solutions". |
| 13:12.18 | Iridos | well, don't want to discuss this endlessly... but sometimes I just don't see any logic in the policies/behaviors you suggest |
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| 13:13.41 | menhi | And apt-get install -f output: http://pastebin.com/MVr4vnPu |
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| 13:15.00 | abrotman | Iridos: the checks exists for a reason .. |
| 13:15.21 | Iridos | I think they were created for ext2 |
| 13:15.44 | abrotman | and they just leave that cruft around .. why not just have it not apply to ext3/4 like they've done for other FS options ? |
| 13:15.54 | abrotman | if statements are hard! |
| 13:16.41 | Iridos | dunno... but even with ext2 having a multiple-hour test on the suddenly increased disk sizes were not such a great idea |
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| 13:16.53 | abrotman | Iridos: if you want to know .. email Theo Ts'o .. ask him .. he'll be your best reference |
| 13:17.04 | Iridos | and I really wonder how long a check takes today on 1TB or 2TB disks |
| 13:17.15 | abrotman | (or used to be .. not sure today, but still worth a shot) |
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| 13:17.45 | abrotman | and of course, you could email Hans .. he has plenty of time to answer email |
| 13:17.48 | menhi | babilen, abrotman: And finally, sources.list: http://pastebin.com/nDrEGLET |
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| 13:18.56 | abrotman | wonders if Iridos is actually emailing Theo .... |
| 13:19.15 | abrotman | Iridos: also note Ts'o is also a DD (not sure how active) |
| 13:19.41 | themill | Iridos: full fscks on ext4 don't take that long. I recently found some interesting errors on an ext3 volume that hadn't had an fsck for a long time. Nothing too serious fortunately.... |
| 13:21.12 | Iridos | abrotman, no... I don't even use ext* :) I think I stopped using it after checks on a multiple GB disk took hours and hours around 2001 |
| 13:22.23 | arghx | so what do you use? |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | Iridos: doesn't mean you shouldn't know .. this applies to all filesystems, not just ext* |
| 13:22.45 | abrotman | Iridos: IIRC, Ts'o knows a fair amount about all filesystems |
| 13:22.59 | abrotman | looks for theo's email about why xfs used to implode |
| 13:23.10 | Iridos | themill, al wright... disk access got faster and perhaps the checks are not as time consuming as back then |
| 13:23.38 | themill | Iridos: yes, the checks have definitely improved |
| 13:24.06 | Iridos | themill, back then I just decided that the cure is worse than the disease |
| 13:24.34 | themill | Iridos: so you're now using btrfs because it doesn't need fsck... |
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| 13:25.47 | Iridos | not really.. but I got of have some problems accepting that checks every X reboots are a good idea |
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| 13:26.19 | abrotman | you're not the admin of my data ... you can think whatever you want :) |
| 13:26.49 | akoma1s | tune2fs -c0 -i1m seems more convenient to me |
| 13:27.16 | abrotman | a little late to the conversation .. |
| 13:27.37 | Wyzard | Iridos: ext4 fsck is *much* faster than ext3 fsck on large filesystems |
| 13:28.02 | akoma1s | abrotman: idd :) |
| 13:28.04 | Wyzard | Iridos: When I switched from ext3 to ext4 on a 1.5TB filesystem, fsck time went from a few hours to a few minutes |
| 13:28.57 | Iridos | Wyzard, fair enough :) |
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| 13:30.26 | menhi | Ah, bollocks. I'll just wipe the root disk and reinstall. |
| 13:30.55 | menhi | Can I tell the installer to look in an existing apt cache directory so it doesn't have to download everything again? |
| 13:31.08 | Wyzard | (I think if you convert ext3 to ext4 in-place, fsck may be slow the *first* time you run it afterward, but I'm not sure of that) |
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| 13:31.32 | abrotman | menhi: or move your cache into its cache directory? |
| 13:32.06 | menhi | abrotman: Not sure it would fit on the root partition. |
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| 13:33.07 | abrotman | menhi: symlink |
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| 13:33.34 | Iridos | menhi, the suggestion from "apt-get -f install" looks kind of reasonable, though? |
| 13:34.10 | menhi | Iridos: Which suggestion is that? |
| 13:34.21 | Dagger3 | I'm getting "W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA", and then "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated: debian-archive-keyring. Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" |
| 13:34.26 | Dagger3 | what's the *right* way to fix this? |
| 13:34.40 | Iridos | menhi, the one you pasted in http://pastebin.com/MVr4vnPu |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | Dagger3: install that package anwyway .. it has the new key ? |
| 13:35.00 | Dagger3 | I could install the private key for AED4B06F473041FA, but going out of my way to install the attacker's key seems kinda silly... may as well just turn verification off if I'm going to do that |
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| 13:35.23 | menhi | Iridos: Yes, but what suggestion do you mean? apt-get autoremove? |
| 13:35.31 | Iridos | menhi, mainly wants to remove evolution |
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| 13:35.32 | Dagger3 | abrotman: but I can't verify the package is correct, so it's not safe to install |
| 13:35.37 | themill | Dagger3: /msg dpkg secure apt; you really just need the correct debian-archive-keyring package |
| 13:35.59 | Iridos | menhi, no... just the apt-get -f install ... no need to care about the autoremove stuff now |
| 13:36.22 | menhi | Iridos: Yes, and I answer 'Y' and then it breaks. |
| 13:36.24 | themill | Dagger3: the wiki explains to you how to manually verify either the key or the package. |
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| 13:37.07 | Iridos | oh, I see... didn't get fully to the end |
| 13:37.11 | TheSudoer | hello, when I tried to install fglrx-driver I get a message saying it depends on xorg-video-abi but it is not found, I am running Wheezy |
| 13:37.27 | menhi | abrotman: At which stage in the installer run can I add symlinks without worrying about them getting removed or overwritten? |
| 13:37.40 | menhi | abrotman: Right from the start? |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | menhi: after you create the ifilesystem? |
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| 13:38.59 | menhi | OK, so it won't remove anything when installing the base system. |
| 13:39.50 | menhi | should have installed that apt-proxy thing on the router a long time ago. |
| 13:39.59 | abrotman | prefers approx |
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| 13:44.30 | Dagger3 | hm, so it does... although the instructions seem to tell me to get the key from https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 13:44.41 | Dagger3 | which uses a self-signed cert, so I can't trust that either |
| 13:45.05 | themill | Dagger3: it's not self-signed at all |
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| 13:45.59 | themill | Dagger3: ca.debian.org is signed by SPI |
| 13:46.01 | Dagger3 | I guess using a signed-by-recognized-CA cert isn't exactly the epitome of security either, but it'd be a start |
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| 13:47.16 | Dagger3 | ah, so it is... but Firefox doesn't have their cert, so now I need some way of verifying that |
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| 13:49.34 | martian | I have a samba share mounted with cifs via my fstab, and for some reason all files are showing up with the execute bit set. Why? |
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| 13:52.05 | babilen | martian: It would be much appreciated if you keep Ubuntu support questions in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
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| 13:53.33 | martian | babilen: yep yep. I guess I'll try to think up a question about 'why my unity no show up' and go back there. |
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| 13:54.00 | engbarakat | irc://irc.oftc.net:6667 |
| 13:55.56 | Sevet | drive by network advertising? |
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| 14:00.06 | abrotman | Sevet: he may have wanted #debian on OFTC .. oh well |
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| 14:02.15 | leon21 | hello. how does debian handle multilib? are there lib64/ dirs? |
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| 14:03.30 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 14:03.31 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
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| 14:05.41 | leon21 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:05.46 | sephii | I just installed cmus and imported my library in it, but I really don't understand how to use the view 1: how can I browse an artist's albums? If I press enter on an artist, it just starts playing all songs |
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| 14:10.44 | HideMe | Using the default apache.config I keep getting errors: server seems busy, (you may need to increase StartServers, or Min/MaxSpareServers), spawning 8 children, there are 13 idle, and 57 total children. Any suggestions? |
| 14:10.48 | A_I_ | hello |
| 14:11.14 | Anubis | hi ! today i upgraded some packages in squeeze(64 version)and i received this message:Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:11.15 | Anubis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.15 | Anubis | done |
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| 14:11.32 | Anubis | i have to mention that i use software RAID |
| 14:11.42 | A_I_ | about "bash-completion", how can I make it complete path with "*" in it like : ls /e*c => ls /etc/ |
| 14:11.58 | Anubis | do i have to worry ? |
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| 14:12.06 | A_I_ | bash without bash-completion does this well, with bash-completion enabled it doesn't work anymore |
| 14:12.46 | A_I_ | if someone has an idea ... |
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| 14:19.35 | gimpy0138-away | A_I_: * ? and the like are globbing, not completion. If yoy are asking hwo to get Bash to ignore these special characters just prepend a \ to them. ls /e\*c |
| 14:20.20 | A_I_ | no gimpy0138-away I want that : ls /e*c/init.d/ + [TAB] becomes ls /etc/init.d/ |
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| 14:20.55 | A_I_ | ("init.d" is an example, adding a subfolder shows better what I mean) |
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| 14:21.42 | A_I_ | I know that adding a backslash \ at the begining of line returns to old behaviour but I would like to have it standard |
| 14:24.30 | Iridos | A_I_, ctrl-x-* |
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| 14:27.27 | threadlock | hmm.. i filed three bugs, but have only two in my inbox.. |
| 14:27.30 | A_I_ | Iridos thanks a lot ! :-) |
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| 14:31.52 | leon21 | if i install package A which suggests B but dont bother installing it and then install package C which depends on B, is there a way for dpkg to know that B is a dependency of C and its unrelated to A? |
| 14:32.58 | jhutchins_lt | It seems strange that the version of logwatch distributed with lenny complains about the versions of several packages like openssl being out-of-date, when those are the most recent available in lenny. You would think adjusting that would be part of proper packaging. |
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| 14:33.48 | massaki | ohell |
| 14:33.55 | massaki | hello |
| 14:34.23 | jhutchins_lt | leon21: apt-get and aptitude do pretty well with that. |
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| 14:34.39 | massaki | It`s possible to upgrade debian lenny to squeeze via apt via ssh ? |
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| 14:35.20 | Sevet | massaki: you mean using apt through an ssh tunnel? |
| 14:35.27 | babilen | leon21: But it is *not* unrelated to A, as A suggests it. What is this about? |
| 14:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | !tell massaki about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:35.52 | leon21 | jhutchins_lt: what if package B is suggested and recommended for both A and C and i installed it as a dependency of one of the two? |
| 14:35.53 | massaki | I mean, connecting to a server via ssh, and run apt |
| 14:36.06 | Sevet | yes, of course |
| 14:36.14 | jhutchins_lt | leon21: suggests, recommends, and depends are three different things. |
| 14:36.16 | leon21 | jhutchins_lt: i mean suggested or recommended not and |
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| 14:36.27 | abrotman | massaki: use screen in case you get disconnected |
| 14:36.35 | massaki | I will not loose the connection or something like ? |
| 14:36.37 | Sevet | you can combine that apt under with gnu screen if you're worried about dropping the ssh connection and needing to reconect |
| 14:36.38 | massaki | ouh |
| 14:36.41 | jhutchins_lt | massaki: See the message from dpkg for more info. |
| 14:36.43 | draknei | hey guys can someone tell me how do i remove a ramdisk tnx |
| 14:36.51 | babilen | leon21: What is this about? |
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| 14:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | massaki: Read the release notes and make sure you aren't going to be caught by NIC firmware issues. |
| 14:37.18 | massaki | :D |
| 14:37.21 | massaki | thanks guys |
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| 14:38.19 | leon21 | babilen: if i install a package as recommended or suggested by another one, but a different one recommends it too, is there any way to tell the package manager why the dependency got installed? |
| 14:38.35 | draknei | how do i remove a ramdisk i used "sudo mount -t tmpfs -o size=512M tmpfs /tmp/ram" im a noob |
| 14:38.50 | babilen | leon21: No |
| 14:38.57 | leon21 | eg. if i remove C, i want B to go away with it cause i didnt install it for A which is still present in the system |
| 14:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | draknei: umount |
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| 14:39.05 | Pupskucheen | Hello again... I installed GeoIP but it says "Error loading file /usr/share/GeoIP/GeoIP.dat" |
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| 14:39.09 | leon21 | both A and C got B as recommends |
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| 14:39.15 | babilen | leon21: You might be able to deduce that from the logs though. |
| 14:39.17 | rockUK | hi all |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | Pupskucheen: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/ .... tells you how to fix it |
| 14:39.27 | Pupskucheen | ok |
| 14:39.57 | rockUK | I have a debian server , that when one particular user ftp to the site they are taken to the root directory |
| 14:40.08 | rockUK | other users on the chroot list work fine |
| 14:40.11 | rockUK | any ideas |
| 14:40.29 | rockUK | as far as i can tell the ftp server is in.ftpd |
| 14:40.33 | leon21 | babilen: thanks |
| 14:40.43 | jhutchins_lt | rockUK: Who set up the server? |
| 14:40.54 | draknei | thank you jhutchins_lt u rock |
| 14:40.57 | rockUK | no idea the last It company |
| 14:40.59 | massaki | whats the general time to upgrade to squeeze ..? |
| 14:41.10 | massaki | i mean, how much time it usually takes |
| 14:41.21 | abrotman | massaki: depends what you hve installed |
| 14:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | massaki: Depends on many factors, connection speed, complexity. |
| 14:41.46 | massaki | yeah, but, generally speaking |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | massaki: anywhere from 20 minutes to two hours |
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| 14:42.07 | massaki | hum, thanks ;D |
| 14:42.08 | babilen | (or longer) |
| 14:42.08 | Dagger3 | ok, it seems the eventual answer to my question was to download the key from https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html on the Debian machine (since Debian includes the SPI root key) and then manually import it with gpg and apt-key |
| 14:42.34 | Dagger3 | which just punts the problem down the line to "authenticating the original ISO I installed from", but ok, that's where I was in the first place anyway |
| 14:42.40 | abrotman | babilen: he said it was a server .. i left out gnome/x/kde :) |
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| 14:43.25 | rockUK | < jhutchins_lt> i have set other users and they are fine and working , this user was teh original ftp user on there server. |
| 14:43.28 | natefoo | 'lo all. is there a way to make the netboot installer use older versions of installer components? |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | which version of the netboot? |
| 14:43.56 | natefoo | a wheezy daily. |
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| 14:44.22 | natefoo | i can't install because mptsas can't load because of a recent bug in initramfs-tools. |
| 14:44.41 | abrotman | so use a squeeze one ? |
| 14:44.49 | Pupskucheen | abrotman: I can't find anything :/ |
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| 14:45.00 | natefoo | abrotman: sure, but i'm hoping to install wheezy. |
| 14:45.04 | Pupskucheen | abrotman: There's no "GeoIP" folder in /usr/share/ |
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| 14:45.15 | natefoo | i can dist-upgrade once it's installed, of course. |
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| 14:45.38 | abrotman | Pupskucheen: it's the package you installed .. it's not GeoIP .. |
| 14:45.53 | Pupskucheen | libgeoip-dev |
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| 14:46.38 | babilen | natefoo: You have to differentiate between the debian-installer version and the target release you are installing. Wheezy's d-i really is a gamble nowadays and I would recommend to use the stable (i.e. squeeze's) d-i ... I would furthermore recommend to install squeeze and upgrade from there. Please note that fglrx and nvidia are completely borken in wheezy/sid these days. |
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| 14:47.25 | natefoo | babilen: thanks for the info, server vm though so thankfully i don't have to worry about the graphics drivers. =) |
| 14:47.54 | natefoo | why is it recommended to install squeeze and then upgrade rather than use the squeeze d-i to install wheezy? |
| 14:48.03 | natefoo | (which i am now assuming i can do via priority=low). |
| 14:48.38 | natefoo | (yup). |
| 14:48.59 | Pupskucheen | abrotman: I installed geoip-database, now it works |
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| 14:50.34 | boudiccas | Pupskucheen; fartcake; thats nice! |
| 14:50.55 | Pupskucheen | umm yeah |
| 14:50.58 | Pupskucheen | ^^ |
| 14:51.10 | babilen | natefoo: First and foremost: Because it works and has been extensively tested. (the squeeze install). It is also nice to be able to use tools such as apt-listbugs during the upgrade and you don't need to download a plethora of packages if you don't install any additional tasks in addition to standard |
| 14:52.02 | natefoo | babilen: okay. |
| 14:52.32 | natefoo | although i do have a nice speedy local mirror. |
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| 14:52.34 | babilen | natefoo: but go for it, report bugs and participate in Debian's development |
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| 14:53.00 | natefoo | i tried, exact same failure. |
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| 14:53.17 | apollov | Hello there! I've got http://pastebin.com/iwDTLrBX in my dmesg. Can't figure out what's this all about. Any help, please? |
| 14:53.49 | babilen | natefoo: Which is? |
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| 14:55.09 | natefoo | scsi_mod: Unknown symbol blk_get_queue |
| 14:55.16 | natefoo | scsi_mod: Unknown symbol blk_put_queue |
| 14:55.39 | bzed | apollov: that smells like buggy hardware... I'd suggest you boot memtest and check your memory |
| 14:55.39 | natefoo | (related): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644850: |
| 14:56.38 | babilen | natefoo: Can you reproduce that with squeeze? |
| 14:56.45 | natefoo | yup. |
| 14:56.54 | natefoo | just did the same with squeeze installer/squeeze target. |
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| 15:00.22 | babilen | natefoo: Try the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) -- That one gives you a .39 kernel, but it is apparently a bug in initramfs-tools ... |
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| 15:00.36 | apollov | bzed: hmm... I'll think about it! |
| 15:01.05 | babilen | natefoo: And the hardware matches your setup? (sheevaplug + external usb) |
| 15:01.08 | natefoo | hrm, yeah, that isn't going to work unless i get a different initramfs-tools |
| 15:01.14 | natefoo | babilen: no, not at all. |
| 15:01.32 | natefoo | this is a vmware esxi guest using the emulated lsi logic parallel controller. |
| 15:01.33 | babilen | natefoo: And you can not install due to that? (Sorry, I haven't read the whole bug report yet) |
| 15:01.44 | natefoo | no, i can't install, disks are not detected. |
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| 15:09.44 | willmore | does anyone know specifically what script/program detects memtest86 and puts an entry in the grub config? |
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| 15:13.53 | Qazjap11 | What is better, Debian or Red Hat, and why? |
| 15:14.23 | babilen | willmore: /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86 (from the memtest package) |
| 15:14.28 | boudiccas | Qazjap11; better for what? |
| 15:14.34 | Qazjap11 | for servers |
| 15:14.36 | themill | !why debian |
| 15:14.36 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 15:14.39 | Qazjap11 | http server |
| 15:15.11 | natefoo | debian is 100% more free than redhat. |
| 15:15.13 | willmore | babilen, what version are you running? I can't find that on my squeeze box. I'm pretty sure I have memtest installed. let me check... |
| 15:15.18 | babilen | Qazjap11: Both are suitable. Do you have experience with either? It might come as a surprise, but all of us in here will most likely answer "Debian" ;) |
| 15:15.29 | babilen | willmore: One second |
| 15:15.58 | babilen | willmore: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/memtest86+/filelist |
| 15:16.00 | Qazjap11 | ok thankz |
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| 15:16.28 | willmore | babilen, looks like I *might not* have it on that box. I'll install and look again. I'm trying to fix the problem of getting it picked up in f16Beta, so I'm looking for a distro that has it working already to steal code from. Mua ha ha... |
| 15:17.34 | babilen | willmore: "Whenever possible steal code!" -- Good luck, but note that you would have to steal Debian's grub configuration mechanism for that to work. Are you creating a Debian Blend/Derivative? |
| 15:17.45 | babilen | (as if there aren't enough already) |
| 15:18.10 | babilen | Ah, no Fedora ... Have a nice day! |
| 15:18.11 | willmore | babilen, nope, this is for Fedora 16 Beta which uses grub2 and *should* use the /etc/grub.d files properly. |
| 15:18.46 | willmore | The idea way to solve this is to have debian push that script upstream to memtest86+ and then for Fedora to inherit it that way. |
| 15:19.09 | willmore | You know, the proper open source way. :) |
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| 15:20.34 | willmore | I'm not emotionally set on any distro. I just happen to like Fedora on the desktop--though that may change with the new 'features' in GNOME making life hard for me. I"ve always used debian on smaller boxes and some servers. |
| 15:21.03 | jelly | willmore: that's not the proper way if the upstream is lagging or nonresponsive |
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| 15:21.38 | willmore | jelly, Do you feel that the memtest86+ maintainers are lagging or nonresponsive? |
| 15:22.03 | willmore | I never got that impression, but I've never dealt with them directly. |
| 15:22.09 | jelly | willmore: ITYM grub maintainers |
| 15:22.20 | jelly | and yes <g> |
| 15:22.42 | willmore | Oh, the GRUB maintainers? Oh, yeah, no doubt there. Unresponsive is being *nice* to them. |
| 15:22.52 | willmore | bloody hostile is more accurate. |
| 15:23.08 | jelly | thus, patches get exchanged 'twixt distros fairly often |
| 15:23.19 | willmore | That's why I'd prefer to keep this in the memtest side of the house. I think there' s a good chance of getting them to include the file. |
| 15:23.27 | jelly | heh |
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| 15:23.52 | willmore | jelly, understood. Hence the "proper way" and "the way it often happens" being different. |
| 15:23.57 | jelly | yeah, nothing wrong his placing useful scriptlets in some contrib/ dir |
| 15:24.00 | willmore | And my smiley after 'proper'. :) |
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| 15:24.38 | jelly | s/proper/ideal/ I'd even have agreed with! |
| 15:25.46 | willmore | I'm an engineer. Scientists get to say things like "when X is zero, this happens" or "if Y is infinite, then we can neglect this term..." Engineers get stuck in the real world where X is very small and Y is very large. |
| 15:26.16 | willmore | Nothing is ideal, but many things can be made to work. :) |
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| 15:27.23 | willmore | installing memtest86+.... |
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| 15:29.04 | Pupskucheen | Hey. I've put a file (index.php) in /var/www and a folder /sys. index.php is shown, but everything in /sys isn't |
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| 15:32.04 | natefoo | babilen: okay, d-i in the 6.0.3 iso loads the modules without error. |
| 15:32.08 | natefoo | so i can install from that. |
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| 15:32.26 | natefoo | i can report this bug but i'm not sure how to do so from the install process. |
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| 15:39.39 | cwf | sb.no-ip.org |
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| 15:40.45 | Pupskucheen | How can I make that subfolders of /var/www are shown? |
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| 15:41.27 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: Shown where? |
| 15:41.28 | nsadmin | Pupskucheen: by running ls /var/www |
| 15:41.37 | Pupskucheen | on the homepage |
| 15:41.40 | nsadmin | that will show them once |
| 15:41.53 | Sevet | you mean by apache's autoindex? |
| 15:42.13 | Pupskucheen | no |
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| 15:42.25 | Pupskucheen | I have .css and php includes in a subfolder |
| 15:42.31 | Pupskucheen | they aren't touched |
| 15:42.53 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: Touched? |
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| 15:43.05 | Pupskucheen | not shown :D |
| 15:43.15 | Pupskucheen | The index.php has no css |
| 15:43.18 | linduxed | hey guys, i've got a build script that complains that the command aclocal is not present, recommending that i install automake |
| 15:43.26 | linduxed | so i checked, and i've got automake |
| 15:43.29 | Pupskucheen | http://pupskuchen.dyndns.org That's the page |
| 15:43.41 | linduxed | it's just that it seems to be split up into multiple versions or something |
| 15:43.51 | poisonbit | Pupskucheen, see the default vhost configuration, move your directory to the DocumentRoot or reconfigure the default vhost, or add a new one with /var/www as DocumentRoot overlaping the default (take care) |
| 15:43.55 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: Sure⦠What e.g. if your config.php with all the sql-passwords and stuff wouldâve been shown???? |
| 15:44.16 | Pupskucheen | I use htaccess to disallow that |
| 15:44.22 | linduxed | so i've got aclocal-1.11 and aclocal-1.4... should i create a symlink to the latest one or something? |
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| 15:44.46 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: So thatâs why itâs not shown⦠|
| 15:45.02 | Pupskucheen | well |
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| 15:45.58 | Pupskucheen | What should I type to let that subfolder be interpreted? |
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| 15:46.32 | poisonbit | magic_cmd_on_irc --sub-folder interpretate |
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| 15:46.47 | nsadmin | if you have php files, then that's a matter of programming which may be offtopic here |
| 15:46.47 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: I guess you want to type that folderâs name into your browsers adressbar |
| 15:47.01 | Pupskucheen | No |
| 15:47.14 | willmore | jelly, stolen grub2 script seems to work in Fedora 16 Beta with a little alteration--the memtest86 binary is named differently over there. |
| 15:47.34 | jelly | stealing ftw |
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| 15:47.45 | Pupskucheen | I have a style.css used by index.php style.css is in /sys/ |
| 15:48.01 | Pupskucheen | But at the moment, nothing of style.css is interpreted |
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| 15:48.14 | poisonbit | try /proc/ |
| 15:48.20 | natefoo | lawl. |
| 15:48.22 | Pupskucheen | proc? |
| 15:48.26 | willmore | jelly, indeed. Now to poke the Fedora package maintainer for memtest to get them to get it included. |
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| 15:48.43 | jelly | !poke willmore |
| 15:48.44 | dpkg | pokes willmore with a stick |
| 15:48.54 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: In /sys/? Why would you want that? Put it to /var/www/yourpage/ |
| 15:49.10 | willmore | Hey, bad robot! |
| 15:49.26 | po_taka | how to change volume window position ? the 1 that appear when changing volume % ? |
| 15:49.46 | Pupskucheen | I have /var/www/index.php, it's css file is in /var/www/sys |
| 15:49.48 | Sevet | pupskucheen: to avoid confusion, do you mean /sys/ or /var/www/sys/ ? |
| 15:50.03 | Pupskucheen | ^ :P |
| 15:50.06 | Sevet | and you want to show a link to sys on the homepage? |
| 15:50.11 | Pupskucheen | No |
| 15:50.19 | Sevet | or allow access to urls in http://.../sys? |
| 15:50.23 | Pupskucheen | nothing in sys is interpreted |
| 15:50.32 | Sevet | i see access denied... |
| 15:50.38 | Pupskucheen | yes |
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| 15:50.39 | alkisg | I'm porting a package of mine from Ubuntu to Debian. It's a tool with which a teacher can control student PCs. There's a listening unix socket for that, and anyone in the socket group can control student PCs. |
| 15:50.40 | alkisg | In Ubuntu the socket is owned by the group "admin" by default. The group name is configurable, but what should I do in my debian postinst by default? Add the admin group if it doesn't exist? Create another group, e.g. teachers? Leave it up to the sysadmin to create the group and add the teachers to that? |
| 15:50.40 | Sevet | check the directory permissions |
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| 15:50.56 | poisonbit | chown -R www-data /var/www/sys |
| 15:51.02 | Sevet | compare the perms: ls -ld /var/www /var/www/sys |
| 15:51.21 | Sevet | check the mode as well as ownership |
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| 15:52.38 | Sevet | alkisg: see whether there's a more appropriate group than admin on debian |
| 15:53.14 | alkisg | Sevet: I tried "id" on a regular desktop user, I don't see any special groups there... plugdev, audio etc, all unrelated to "power users" or "admin users" etc |
| 15:53.34 | Pupskucheen | Thanks poisonbit, that works. And thanks to all the other helpers :) |
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| 15:54.13 | poisonbit | have fun |
| 15:54.19 | alkisg | Sevet: if you have some group name to propose, I'm all ears :) |
| 15:54.56 | Pupskucheen | but poisonbit, where are my files now?^^ :o |
| 15:55.31 | poisonbit | find /var/www -iname '*myfiles*' |
| 15:56.45 | tomlabirt | Guys i need help. I tried to run a program under linux, but is fails and i got "Illegal Instruction" error. The strace log is here : http://pastebin.com/Rtijc1yE |
| 15:57.50 | filePeter | Pupskucheen: You should consider other userrights for servinf.inc.php inside safe/ |
| 15:58.32 | Sevet | alkisg: root,staff,operator... depends who you want to limit it to. or make up your own, something more specific than admin |
| 15:58.55 | minna1 | This must be the bussiest channel on freenet, geesh, trying to find something in the history was not easy :-D |
| 15:59.14 | Pupskucheen | filePeter: wtf? :D |
| 15:59.27 | alkisg | Sevet: staff indeed sounds nice, thank you |
| 15:59.47 | jelly | tomlabirt: you are likely not using the same distro that the binary was compiled and/or designed to work with. Also, can you get that strace in English? LC_ALL=C strace... |
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| 16:00.10 | jelly | tomlabirt: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 16:00.18 | minna1 | What window-server should i use? Is x-windows still the recommended one? |
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| 16:01.02 | nsadmin | Pupskucheen: to answer "wtf", read up and see. |
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| 16:01.11 | jelly | tomlabirt: how old is that binary? |
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| 16:02.32 | tomlabirt | jelly, how can i watch the version number? |
| 16:02.55 | nsadmin | minna1: is there another? |
| 16:03.22 | tomlabirt | jelly, in the /proc/version is : Linux version 2.6.32-5-486 (Debian 2.6.32-38) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 Mon Oct 3 03:34:28 UTC 2011 |
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| 16:03.33 | minna1 | nsadmin: Wayland display server. |
| 16:04.12 | nsadmin | and the package name in debian containing that is? its license is? |
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| 16:04.34 | tomlabirt | the binary is very old i've got from a jukebox |
| 16:04.44 | primeras | hi. My English isn't very well. I installed gitosis on debian. But my ssh doesn't working. |
| 16:04.45 | primeras | http://pastebin.com/SnGpa1ip |
| 16:04.53 | nkuttler | nsadmin: it's on freedesktop.org.. and ubuntu wants to make it the default.. or something |
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| 16:05.04 | tomlabirt | jelly, the binary is very old i've got from a jukebox |
| 16:05.16 | minna1 | nkuttler: correct |
| 16:05.23 | tomlabirt | jelly, there was debian 2.2 on it |
| 16:05.35 | nsadmin | nkuttler. does it support the same semantics/api/abi as X? |
| 16:06.06 | nkuttler | nsadmin: no idea. i have no need to replace X |
| 16:06.09 | minna1 | nsadmin: should be better, but i was not sure if it was mature yet, that's why i asked. |
| 16:06.12 | nsadmin | what's the motivation to switch if any? |
| 16:06.14 | nkuttler | but iirc you can run X inside wayland |
| 16:06.14 | Pupskucheen | bah, It shows index of / now on the page, how to disable that? |
| 16:06.42 | nkuttler | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html |
| 16:06.45 | jelly | tomlabirt: Ho-hum. You will need to use a Debian system and kernel of similar age, probably not newer than Debian 4.0. |
| 16:06.54 | minna1 | nsadmin: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Freedesktop.org |
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| 16:07.31 | nsadmin | minna1 looks like ubuntu knows more, and also looks like there's no action on the debian side |
| 16:07.51 | minna1 | nsadmin: Ok, i'll just keep to x windows for now then :-) |
| 16:07.53 | jelly | tomlabirt: Debian 6.0 has made incompatible GNU libc changes. |
| 16:08.38 | jelly | tomlabirt: compared to, say, 2.2 - 3.0 - 3.1 |
| 16:08.44 | tomlabirt | jelly, i was thinking about it, but i'm not pro in linux. I wanted to install earlier debian system but i dont know how can i |
| 16:08.54 | nsadmin | (but what debian is doing could range from "x maints are thinking about it but have nothing public to say or show" to "not doing anything" |
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| 16:09.22 | jelly | tomlabirt: making this work again is going to be a nontrivial task :-) |
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| 16:09.43 | jelly | tomlabirt: the old hardware I dead I suspect? |
| 16:09.48 | jelly | is* dead |
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| 16:10.31 | jelly | tomlabirt: can you pastebin the output of ldd -v ./zene and ls -l of the whole directory, to get a rough feeling of the age of that software? |
| 16:10.56 | tomlabirt | jelly, ok wait a minute |
| 16:11.39 | jelly | tomlabirt: some of the old installer images can be downloaded from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 16:13.04 | tomlabirt | jelly, Here it is : http://pastebin.com/BXAvzc8P |
| 16:13.22 | minna1 | Hm, Meego, Tizen, Ubuntu, Fedora, KDE and Compiz is moving to wayland, KDE will make it default alredy in summer 2012. So i guess wayland was more mature than i thought. |
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| 16:15.20 | jelly | tomlabirt: I'd try setting up a Debian 3.1 or 4.0 system, perhaps in a virtual machine. |
| 16:15.24 | Pupskucheen | bah, It shows index of / now on the page, how to disable that? |
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| 16:16.00 | deadcat | i am having trouble setting up the modifier keys for synergy. i have the ctrl = ctrl and other keys in my .synergy.conf file, but it doesnt seem to recognize them. please shine some light thanks. |
| 16:16.05 | jelly | minna1: that, or everyone and their do is sick of X11 |
| 16:16.09 | jelly | dog* |
| 16:16.55 | jelly | minna1: and embedded/emerging setups like meego/tizen can do whatever they want anyway |
| 16:17.33 | minna1 | jelly: I've been out of the linux area for 5 years, so im catching up. Seems like wayland is doing a lot of unifying in the linux graphics department. |
| 16:17.52 | minna1 | jelly: no, tizen will go to wayland, just as was planned with meego. |
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| 16:18.31 | jelly | from that list, only Fedora, KDE and Compiz mean anything in terms of making something usable for generic pc users |
| 16:19.08 | jelly | ubuntu breaks things and changes UI paradigm and feel too often |
| 16:19.54 | tomlabirt | jelly, Ok, but why this program works on my computer? There is Ubuntu 11.04 on my computer? |
| 16:19.56 | minna1 | Yeah, i don't like ubuntu's way of playing too much with things |
| 16:20.03 | jelly | tomlabirt: it works? |
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| 16:20.17 | jelly | if it worked you would not be here asking questions |
| 16:20.28 | minna1 | lol |
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| 16:20.40 | tomlabirt | whith my computer computer yes |
| 16:20.54 | tomlabirt | jelly, whith my computer computer yes |
| 16:21.12 | jelly | tomlabirt: oh, you're saying it works on Ubuntu 11.04, but not Debian 6? |
| 16:21.15 | minna1 | jelly: I think ubuntu have gotten it all wrong, what they should do is make a proper realiable standardized programming language and API for linux, right now the programming world for linux is a mess, too many options. |
| 16:21.32 | nkuttler | oh noes! too much choice! |
| 16:21.42 | babilen | thinks that is a good thing |
| 16:21.52 | tomlabirt | yes, but theese are 2 different computer |
| 16:21.55 | minna1 | Where none of the choices are good ones. |
| 16:22.00 | tomlabirt | jelly, yes, but theese are 2 different computer |
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| 16:22.19 | babilen | minna1: Be that as it may: #debian-offtopic might be better suited for this discussion as it is not really a support issue. |
| 16:22.36 | minna1 | Ah, yeah, sorry, i'll keep quiet ;) |
| 16:22.43 | babilen | or that :) |
| 16:22.43 | jelly | tomlabirt: can you try whether it works with Debian on the machine where it works with Ubuntu 11.04? What is your actual goal here? |
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| 16:29.38 | nsadmin | the things you list, kde, ubuntu, compiz are -very- different kinds of things, are you trying to advocate something specific? |
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| 16:33.12 | tomlabirt | jelly, this computer is an IBM netvista kiosk 4835, it is very old, but i want to use it as a jukebox. My friend has a jukebox, and i made a disk image from this jukebox's hdd. First i copied this disk image to the kiosk's hdd and tried to run it, but it stucked in a bootloop with a message: "LILO Loading linux................". Then i tried to install the ubuntu 11.04 to this machine, but it failed again 'cause the processor doesnt sup |
| 16:33.12 | tomlabirt | port the cmov instruction. After that i installed ubuntu 10.04, but the software gave me this "Illegal Instruction" error. Then i installed this debian distro... |
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| 16:37.02 | InsektO | perhaps a stupid question, whats the best way to find out the cause of reboots in debian? |
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| 16:37.16 | Pupskucheen | How do I disable file browsing on my homepage? |
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| 16:38.54 | doxtor | Hello, my Wheezy won't automount partition from the same HD as /. When I do mount <mount_point> it mounts it just fine. How can I fix this? |
| 16:39.16 | Sevet | what do you mean file browsing? |
| 16:39.18 | Sevet | the page you get when you go to a directory with no index.* file? 'Options -Indexes' in .htaccess |
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| 16:41.15 | Pupskucheen | Sevet: It shows "Index of /" and the files, I don't want that |
| 16:41.30 | rockUK | any one know or has come accros a reason why a chrooted FTP account dont work , un - chroot it and it loggs straight into the root directory , chroot it and no files are shown. |
| 16:41.35 | somiaj | Pupskucheen: you can also put that option right into your httpd.conf file, it might be there to comment out or in by default |
| 16:41.53 | threadlock | InsektO: syslog or messages? (in /var/log) |
| 16:41.58 | somiaj | Pupskucheen: .htaccess is only if you want it on per directory in many cases. I wouldn't suggest using it for this |
| 16:42.29 | InsektO | threadlock, yeap i ckecked that but found nothing strange |
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| 16:44.26 | somiaj | Pupskucheen: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/26/apache-tips-tricks-disable-directory-indexes/ |
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| 16:45.01 | primeras | hi. my ssh not working |
| 16:45.01 | primeras | http://pastebin.com/jXTmHfCh |
| 16:45.08 | primeras | sorry my english isnt very well |
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| 16:46.44 | sakal | hi, how can I test if string contains substring in bash/dash? |
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| 16:47.17 | sakal | I need append PATH only if value not in $PATH |
| 16:47.45 | sakal | I can use some builtin function or only some like grep? |
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| 16:49.38 | Pupskucheen | somiaj: where is that configuration file? |
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| 16:50.08 | somiaj | Pupskucheen: /etc/apache2 |
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| 16:53.43 | Pupskucheen | somiaj: Just add the line "Options -Indexes" to httpd.conf ?? |
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| 16:55.26 | abrotman | sakal: you'd probably get a better answer from #bash |
| 16:55.30 | somiaj | Pupskucheen: read that link I sent you. Learn how to configure your webserver (apache) -- again check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, I belive the 000-default site overrides that by default and you may need to fix that too |
| 16:55.55 | Pupskucheen | hm |
| 16:56.16 | themill | sakal: it doesn't hurt to keep stuffing things into PATH (within reason); the [[ ... =~ ... ]] operator is one way to do it |
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| 16:58.05 | abrotman | themill: to be fair, the order could matter for him ... |
| 16:58.25 | themill | sure. Duplicates don't though. |
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| 17:00.51 | cardamon2 | I did not expect this rsync to STILL be running 8 hours later. |
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| 17:03.53 | tomlabirt | jelly, R U Here? |
| 17:04.30 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: yep |
| 17:05.01 | tomlabirt | jelly-home, have yout read my last post? |
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| 17:05.30 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: no, sorry, going to catch up in a couple minutes |
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| 17:07.31 | tomlabirt | jelly-home, sorry i didnt understand, my english is bad what means your last sentence? |
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| 17:08.02 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: I'm not here right now. Will be back in 10 minutes. |
| 17:08.26 | tomlabirt | jelly-home, ok |
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| 17:17.13 | sakal | abrotman, themill thanks |
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| 17:19.30 | cardamon2 | Hey, what happens if I stop an rsync for a few hours and the data changes? |
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| 17:20.32 | jelly-home | cardamon2: depends on when you stopped it |
| 17:20.33 | nsadmin | the rsync in question wouldn't be running and the data would be different... |
| 17:20.33 | Sevet | rsync algorithm will recopy the changed portions, and not need to recopy anything that hasn't changed |
| 17:20.57 | jelly-home | cardamon2: run it again if you need to. |
| 17:21.04 | jelly-home | (after the first one is finished) |
| 17:21.08 | Sevet | BUT unlesss you're running it with partial it'll delete the current file it's copying, so if you're copying one giant file you might not want to do it |
| 17:21.35 | Sevet | s/partial/--partial/ |
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| 17:23.31 | jelly-home | cardamon2: in general, a rsync process has does two steps: first it traverses both source and destination trees, looking for obviously changed files. Second, it synchronizes the files that it found to be different in the first pass. |
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| 17:23.46 | jelly-home | s/has // |
| 17:23.53 | cardamon2 | Ah. |
| 17:23.55 | cardamon2 | Good |
| 17:24.06 | cardamon2 | That works. |
| 17:24.16 | nsadmin | so --partial would save it such that another invocation of rsync would resume? |
| 17:25.17 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: well. The "illegal instruction" message may actually be true -- it's possible that hardware really can't run parts of that binary because the binary uses instructions for a newer CPU. |
| 17:25.17 | Sevet | yes, although until rsync runs the 2nd time the files you have aren't complete (which they should be running without it) |
| 17:25.28 | Sevet | useful for copying 20GB .tar.gz backup files though |
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| 17:26.48 | tomlabirt | jelly-home, so you say that it is better to write my own application instead of solving this problem |
| 17:27.52 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: the problem of "hardware not good enough" can be solved by changing the hardware, or by using a different(ly compiled) application |
| 17:28.12 | Sevet | sounds like cmov isn't supported and it's used a lot in compiler optimisation for i686 |
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| 17:28.38 | jelly-home | I don't know whether it's cmov or mmx or something else. |
| 17:29.18 | jelly-home | getting a core dump and a backtrace might provide clues |
| 17:30.23 | jelly-home | it might also be the environment makes the app traverse a buggy part of the code and trying to run garbage that would otherwise not be run |
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| 17:31.00 | NikLP | hey all... I have a debian box which I just upgraded, that seems ok so far. The reason for the upgrade was that I Couldn't get Git working |
| 17:31.02 | jelly-home | but if it works on a modern distro (ubuntu 11.04) on different hardware, I'd say it's more likely the hardware is at fault more than the app |
| 17:31.14 | NikLP | I get git: /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by git) messages all the time, I really need this to go away :) |
| 17:31.31 | jelly-home | NikLP: why do you have a local build of zlib in /usr/local/lib ? |
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| 17:31.46 | NikLP | I know nothing - just what it's telling me |
| 17:31.54 | jelly-home | NikLP: who put that file there? |
| 17:31.55 | NikLP | I don't even know what zlib is |
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| 17:32.29 | NikLP | what might it be a part of? my sysadmin guy (no longer available) did some stuff with mtop |
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| 17:32.35 | jelly-home | NikLP: ok. Let's step back a bit. You have custom libraries compiled from source on your system. |
| 17:32.39 | NikLP | and put a few updates through the mill for me |
| 17:32.49 | NikLP | yeah ok... that's probably from mtop then |
| 17:32.51 | NikLP | for a guess |
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| 17:33.01 | jelly-home | NikLP: do you need that "mtop" thing to work? |
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| 17:33.18 | NikLP | not massively - was just helpful to have but never really used it |
| 17:33.27 | NikLP | so, meh :) |
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| 17:33.58 | jelly-home | NikLP: pastebin the output of "ls -l /usr/local/lib" and "ldd $(which git)", please |
| 17:34.11 | NikLP | sure |
| 17:34.28 | jelly-home | NikLP: which Debian release are you running now? |
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| 17:34.36 | NikLP | um :) |
| 17:34.39 | NikLP | not sure |
| 17:34.41 | NikLP | tbh |
| 17:35.07 | jelly-home | NikLP: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt aptitude base-files" as well, then |
| 17:35.27 | NikLP | usr local lib : http://pastebin.com/gews6zWr |
| 17:35.27 | jelly-home | if you are not actually running Debian you WILL be given a stern look |
| 17:35.41 | NikLP | that much is certain. that's what I bought tho! ;) |
| 17:35.49 | jelly-home | good heavens |
| 17:36.15 | jelly-home | ok, witholding comments for a bit, plz hand the rest ;-) |
| 17:36.29 | NikLP | http://pastebin.com/LXQ13cEd for the debian confirmation :P :P |
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| 17:37.23 | NikLP | ldd which git : http://pastebin.com/wa3L8zxA |
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| 17:38.21 | themill | cries a little |
| 17:38.24 | jelly-home | NikLP: someone seems to have built PHP and its dependencies from source on that machine |
| 17:38.35 | NikLP | right |
| 17:38.48 | NikLP | that will probably be because I needed to be running php 5.2 as a drupal developer |
| 17:38.59 | jelly-home | themill: because of the unwanted intrusion? <NikLP> and put a few updates through the mill for me |
| 17:39.01 | NikLP | drupal 6 did not support 5.3 |
| 17:39.15 | NikLP | 5.2 sorry |
| 17:39.17 | themill | jelly-home: that and the mess involved |
| 17:39.29 | jelly-home | It's a beautiful day! |
| 17:39.30 | NikLP | anyway, that is the thing... can prob just sack off the old php |
| 17:39.57 | themill | !php paradox |
| 17:39.57 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
| 17:40.11 | rww | :D |
| 17:40.31 | NikLP | well I gather it's rubbish, but that means little to me I'm afraid. my concern was I needed 5.2 at the time to stop sh** exploding |
| 17:40.40 | hartzie | dpkg there is a way to let old applications to use php 5.2 instead of 5.3 |
| 17:40.40 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, hartzie |
| 17:40.40 | NikLP | "one of those things" |
| 17:40.42 | jelly-home | themill: putting /usr/local/lib in the default ld.so.conf is not a favorite config change of mine |
| 17:40.56 | jelly-home | and yet debian did it |
| 17:41.35 | themill | jelly-home: well.. /usr/local/lib is supposed to be a public library directory; use /opt or /usr/local/mycrap/ (or similar) if you want non-public |
| 17:41.51 | jelly-home | NikLP: ok. mv /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1 /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.moved-away-as-requested-by-silly-irc-people |
| 17:42.03 | NikLP | :D |
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| 17:42.06 | ninjalo | hello :) |
| 17:42.31 | NikLP | move verbatim jelly-home ;) |
| 17:42.41 | jelly-home | NikLP: see if ldd output changes to using the /usr/lib/ copy of libz |
| 17:44.15 | NikLP | jelly-home: libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb7694000) |
| 17:44.58 | jelly-home | NikLP: I bet the git binary will be happier with that choice |
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| 17:45.27 | NikLP | jelly-home: I bet you're right :) |
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| 17:45.45 | NikLP | question: git version 1.5.6.5 <- I thought the newest version was about 1.7? |
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| 17:46.37 | NikLP | I'm using it against unfuddle, I thought that used 1.6.(4?) or similar |
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| 17:47.05 | NikLP | either way, do I need to worry about those php binaries jelly-home or should I let it fly for now? |
| 17:47.52 | jelly-home | NikLP: you are now running Debian from 2009. |
| 17:47.58 | jelly-home | !tell NikLP about lenny |
| 17:48.03 | themill | NikLP: you're using lenny; lenny has whatever git it had when lenny was first released. You'll find newer in lenny-backports (and squeeze...) if you need it. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny-backports |
| 17:48.13 | NikLP | ah right ok depends on the repo then, I got ya |
| 17:48.23 | NikLP | no problem |
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| 17:48.40 | jelly-home | don't mix and match repos, btw, that way lies pain and suffering |
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| 17:48.58 | NikLP | that I would not do |
| 17:49.08 | NikLP | not that I would know explicitly, but something says "no" :) |
| 17:49.15 | NikLP | many thanks for your help |
| 17:49.16 | jelly-home | if you have a "lenny" system, use repos made for lenny |
| 17:49.21 | NikLP | indeed |
| 17:49.45 | NikLP | would love to know if I could upgrade this without breaking stuff, but I guess I better ask the "real" owners really |
| 17:49.47 | themill | ,versions git-core --release lenny-backports |
| 17:49.48 | judd | Package: git-core on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1 |
| 17:49.56 | jelly-home | ooh |
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| 17:50.36 | NikLP | I get the message but not the process :) |
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| 17:51.09 | themill | NikLP: process of how to use backports? /msg dpkg lenny-backports |
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| 17:51.19 | NikLP | ok cool thx |
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| 17:53.20 | alternut_ | hello everyone...got one for ya...I'm using wheezy...but I want to install the latest chromium-browser, which I believe is in sid..how do I get only the browser yet keep the rest of the system as wheezy? |
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| 17:53.56 | G_O_D | sudo aptitude install -t testing chromium |
| 17:53.59 | G_O_D | i guess |
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| 17:54.22 | mrgordon | hey, I just installed my Nvidia driver but there isn't a splash screen that shows up when I boot my computer. |
| 17:54.35 | mrgordon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.14 | G_O_D | mrgordon: that's better ;) have you instaled the nvidia .run driver or noveau? |
| 17:55.43 | mrgordon | .run |
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| 17:55.59 | blast_hardcheese | So, when I try to install or upgrade a package that has recommends, aptitude says it will not install the recommends. If I specify --with-recommends, it still doesn't install the recommends. What's going on? |
| 17:56.11 | blast_hardcheese | I've tried this on multiple boxes, same results every time |
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| 17:56.25 | mrgordon | I always find that nvidia*.run drivers are better. |
| 17:56.38 | mrgordon | Plus they have overclocking features. |
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| 17:57.22 | themill | mrgordon: they also interact badly with package management and leave you stuck if you upgrade various components through apt. |
| 17:57.28 | blast_hardcheese | mrgordon: Until you upgrade xorg past the version the drivers are compatible with and your system gets hosed. |
| 17:57.31 | G_O_D | hmmm... check the Device section in your xorg.com |
| 17:57.37 | G_O_D | option "Logo" |
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| 17:58.19 | mrgordon | This is my dads computer & account I'm talking from. He wants the nvidia logo (old folks). |
| 17:59.09 | mrgordon | where is the xorg.conf file ? |
| 17:59.12 | NikLP | ok not sure if that backports thing went so well |
| 17:59.15 | mrgordon | I forgot |
| 17:59.16 | NikLP | returned error |
| 17:59.18 | NikLP | http://pastebin.com/6gfUjf4z |
| 17:59.31 | themill | pastebin.com :( |
| 17:59.40 | NikLP | you have a preferred one? |
| 17:59.46 | NikLP | I was quoted pastebin |
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| 18:00.01 | themill | NikLP: umm... you shouldn't be mixing squeeze-backports with lenny; use lenny-backports with lenny |
| 18:00.17 | NikLP | oh christ. that's what I was sent... |
| 18:00.30 | NikLP | hm I misread it maybe |
| 18:00.34 | mrgordon | G_O_D, option is not there |
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| 18:00.42 | mrgordon | Im checking through vim but not logo. |
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| 18:00.46 | NikLP | if it returned error, is it borked, or am I ok? :) |
| 18:01.20 | mrgordon | brb |
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| 18:01.36 | mrgordon | I think I added it with the 'option "logo"' |
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| 18:01.44 | mrgordon | lets see if it works. |
| 18:02.15 | themill | NikLP: also, "apt-get upgrade packagename" doesn't work as you want; "apt-get -t lenny-backports install packagename" is what you wanted. Change to lenny backports and "apt-get install packagename=version" to force a downgrade on those 4 packages. |
| 18:02.23 | blast_hardcheese | Thoughts on aptitude not respecting --with-recommends? I'm kind of at a loss |
| 18:02.57 | NikLP | themill: that's ok then - however, the output mentions "post installation...." has this screwed up some stuff within the dependencies, or ...? slightly worried |
| 18:03.04 | themill | blast_hardcheese: aptitude doesn't worry about broken recommends on upgrades. It assumes that if you didn't want it the first time then that's how you still want it |
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| 18:03.34 | themill | NikLP: your x config might be a little creative now. You have a backup though, don't you. |
| 18:03.49 | NikLP | themill: already changed the sources.list, not sure about the packagename stuff tho |
| 18:03.55 | NikLP | themill: nah :) |
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| 18:04.48 | themill | NikLP: "apt-cache policy initramfs-tools libnfsidmap2 linux-libc-dev x11-common" then "apt-get install initramfs-tools=version libnfsidmap2=version linux-libc-dev=version x11-common=version" replacing "version" in that by the lenny version from apt-cache policy. |
| 18:04.58 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Gotcha. Is there a way to go back and install those recommends other than manually installing them? |
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| 18:07.44 | themill | blast_hardcheese: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i' will list them |
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| 18:08.40 | NikLP | ok I see the policy output, but... I'm staring at double dutch here tbh :/ |
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| 18:09.21 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Interesting, thanks |
| 18:09.23 | TYLL | Can anyone tell me the benefit of setting Apache StartServers directive more than say 10? |
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| 18:09.33 | NikLP | previous comment directed at themill sorry :/ |
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| 18:09.48 | themill | NikLP: "apt-get install initramfs-tools=0.92o libnfsidmap2=0.20-1 linux-libc-dev=2.6.26-27 x11-common=1:7.3+20" should do it |
| 18:10.08 | NikLP | themill: I have to ask... where are you pulling all this stuff from?! :D |
| 18:10.24 | themill | NikLP: the version numbers were in your pastebin too |
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| 18:10.32 | NikLP | ah |
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| 18:10.51 | Hui_Nan | hi all |
| 18:10.52 | NikLP | themill: those ones are direct from the lenny repos then, so no need for any messing about right? |
| 18:11.12 | blast_hardcheese | Is there a way to mark things as "to be installed", but not actually install them? |
| 18:11.37 | blast_hardcheese | Wait, just found --schedule-only |
| 18:11.40 | themill | NikLP: that should get you back to where you were. I hope. x11 config files and initramfs-tools kind of scares me a little here |
| 18:12.17 | Hui_Nan | How can I make Squeeze to mount vfat flash drives with the option "shortname=mixed" by default? |
| 18:12.24 | NikLP | themill: this whole thing is like genetic engineering with a shovel for me. don't sweat it. |
| 18:12.33 | Hui_Nan | I mean automatical mount |
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| 18:13.24 | NikLP | themill: I guess after that one I can safely apt-get -t lenny-backports install git-core ? |
| 18:13.34 | themill | yes |
| 18:13.39 | NikLP | tfft :P |
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| 18:14.46 | NikLP | ok thanks - is there an easy way to make it install the suggested packages? I would rather have these than not, this is a dev server |
| 18:14.55 | NikLP | I think I would anyway :p |
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| 18:16.36 | themill | NikLP: "suggested" or "recommended"? It's not often that you really want suggested packages installed automatically. |
| 18:17.01 | themill | ,suggests git-core --release lenny |
| 18:17.01 | judd | Package git-core in lenny/i386 -- suggests: git-doc, git-arch, git-cvs, git-svn, git-email, git-daemon-run, git-gui, gitk, gitweb. |
| 18:17.04 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:17.18 | NikLP | yeah those themill ^ |
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| 18:17.29 | themill | I guess most of them look pretty useful. Although git-$VCS are unlikely to be *that* useful. |
| 18:17.47 | NikLP | well I have been using svn on here, I dunno tho |
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| 18:18.50 | jelly-home | http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html |
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| 18:19.31 | themill | NikLP: aptitude install ~RSuggests:^git-core$ would do it... (/msg dpkg aptitude search) |
| 18:19.39 | mark76 | What's a good 2D floor plan app for Linux? |
| 18:20.04 | mark76 | Not DIa, I don't need arrows at the end of every line |
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| 18:22.42 | TheSudoer | hello again |
| 18:23.00 | TheSudoer | I cant get fglrx to install, its not in the Wheezy repo(?) |
| 18:23.09 | TheSudoer | and I am running Wheezy |
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| 18:24.15 | TheSudoer | and the ATI/AMD drivers from their website are not working even after I install the linux-headers |
| 18:24.19 | TheSudoer | any ideas? |
| 18:24.35 | nkuttler | !tell TheSudoer about fglrx |
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| 18:24.49 | mrgordon | Back |
| 18:25.17 | mrgordon | The logo shows but, it's like fraction of a millisecond |
| 18:25.35 | mrgordon | Normal logo shows around 1-2 full seconds. |
| 18:25.43 | nkuttler | mrgordon: logo? |
| 18:25.46 | linduxed | i'm trying to compile a modified version of rtorrent, and the build process stops with the following error "ssh.c:121:8: error: conflicting types for âlibssh2_freeâ" |
| 18:25.49 | mrgordon | Like I barely saw it. Nvidia logo |
| 18:26.09 | architek | TheSudoer: radeon works |
| 18:26.10 | mrgordon | nkuttler, my dad wants it |
| 18:26.14 | linduxed | is there some detail i can in the .c file that would make it work? |
| 18:26.31 | nkuttler | mrgordon: no idea. nvidia drivers just work for me |
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| 18:26.51 | mrgordon | nkuttler, did u see the logo ? |
| 18:27.29 | nkuttler | mrgordon: no idea. might have disabled it |
| 18:27.29 | themill | you, um, really need to work on your priorities in life |
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| 18:27.42 | TheSudoer | architek, isnt radeon the preinstalled drivers? glxinfo shows that I have OpenGL 2.1 yet the video card supports OpenGL 3.2 |
| 18:27.42 | nkuttler | doesn't watch his computer booting.. and it's so fast anyway |
| 18:28.11 | mick_laptop | what is the name of that software kvm where you can share your mouse / kb between multiple computers? |
| 18:28.20 | mick_laptop | the name escapes me |
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| 18:28.22 | TheSudoer | synergy |
| 18:28.25 | mick_laptop | ty |
| 18:28.29 | TheSudoer | np |
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| 18:29.11 | linduxed | the ssh.c file is probably a local file inside the build directory, something downloaded |
| 18:29.54 | NikLP | themill: you have to laugh. now I have the new git installed, I have that exact same libz error that I started with... :) |
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| 18:30.26 | themill | cries |
| 18:31.27 | NikLP | themill: seems it started wanting to use libz.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb77e9000) again for some reason |
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| 18:31.51 | themill | NikLP: does that still exist? Didn't you rename it? |
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| 18:32.00 | NikLP | indeed I did sir |
| 18:32.35 | themill | NikLP: check to see it didn't come back as a symlink |
| 18:33.34 | NikLP | themill: ok I should be able to work that out, but ... nope |
| 18:33.46 | NikLP | I don't know where libz stuff would be |
| 18:33.51 | SharkMonkey | Is it common to run sid if you aren't a debian developer? |
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| 18:34.35 | SharkMonkey | *even if |
| 18:34.58 | themill | NikLP: can you pastebin the output of "ls -l /usr/local/lib; ldd /usr/bin/git" now? |
| 18:35.30 | Qazjap11 | Why Debian has 50 cd's? |
| 18:36.03 | NikLP | themill: http://pastebin.com/28atavWG |
| 18:36.20 | SharkMonkey | Qazjap11, Damn near every package in the world is officially supported |
| 18:36.32 | themill | Qazjap11: because it has lots of software that you might want to install; you don't need any of them other than CD1 to install. |
| 18:36.32 | SharkMonkey | You don't need all of them |
| 18:36.34 | jelly-home | Qazjap11: because they contain all the packages. ALL of them. |
| 18:36.54 | Qazjap11 | All the repo in cd's.. |
| 18:37.09 | Qazjap11 | and if I wan't only the installation I should download the first? |
| 18:37.32 | boudiccas | gazyes |
| 18:37.49 | boudiccas | Qazjap11; yes |
| 18:37.52 | Qazjap11 | thank |
| 18:37.52 | themill | NikLP: yeah, that symlink came back due to running ldconfig as part of the postinst script on one of those packages you just installed/reinstalled. Kill it again with fire. (think about removing all that crap as soon as you reaonsably can as it will keep coming back) |
| 18:37.53 | Qazjap11 | s |
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| 18:38.54 | NikLP | themill: ack. is there a suitable method of "removing all that crap" - considering I'm not completely sure what "that crap" is? :) |
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| 18:40.31 | themill | NikLP: I'd vote for something like "tar jcf ~/oldlibs.tar.bz2 /usr/local/lib; rm -rf /usr/local/lib/*". |
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| 18:40.59 | themill | NikLP: btw local installations of python2.5 aren't that good to have around either (I see you have a /u/l/l/python2.5 there too) |
| 18:41.16 | NikLP | themill: what would I lose tho? I don't know how it all got there in the first place tbh |
| 18:41.17 | architek | TheSudoer: yes, radeon is the one preinstalled. I went back to them since some dependency broke. Dunno exactly the problem. Abi incompatibility http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639875. So I took back xorg from stable but then had hangs and segv. So I kept radeon. OpenGL 3.2 would be nice yes.. |
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| 18:41.46 | NikLP | themill: I could uninstall python / mtop using apt-get maybe ? :/ |
| 18:42.09 | themill | NikLP: Nothing in /usr/local came from debian. Only you can answer where all that came from... |
| 18:42.13 | NikLP | clearly it needs a refresh |
| 18:42.16 | NikLP | ok |
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| 18:42.31 | python | Hello |
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| 18:42.46 | python | What version should I go with for a home use laptop ? |
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| 18:42.55 | jaimef | ubuntu |
| 18:43.02 | themill | python: if you have to ask, stable |
| 18:43.07 | python | Ok |
| 18:43.09 | boudiccas | python; what version do you want to go with? |
| 18:43.15 | tensorpudding | if you want debian you really should stick with stable |
| 18:43.16 | python | boudiccas, no idea |
| 18:43.34 | python | stop asking silly questions, if I knew it, i wouldn't ask |
| 18:43.52 | python | jaimef, ubuntu != debian |
| 18:43.57 | boudiccas | python; its your machine, you decide based on your needs |
| 18:44.01 | jacobw | stable is relatively new |
| 18:44.14 | python | my need is "home use" |
| 18:44.22 | python | already said it |
| 18:44.30 | python | done downloading stable |
| 18:44.36 | python | does dd work with debian iso ? |
| 18:44.59 | jacobw | yes, it does |
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| 18:45.16 | python | okay |
| 18:45.20 | jacobw | dd will work with any disk image, which is what an iso is :) |
| 18:45.23 | peterS | why would you use dd, though? just 'cp file.iso /dev/sdb' where sdb is your USB disk |
| 18:45.34 | peterS | cp has somewhat more intuitive syntax than dd |
| 18:46.01 | python | cp ? |
| 18:46.03 | python | are you sure ? |
| 18:46.11 | peterS | well, only if you're using unix |
| 18:46.15 | peterS | Windows, for example, doesn't have a 'cp' |
| 18:46.17 | python | .. |
| 18:46.20 | jacobw | i don't think cp works in teh same way |
| 18:46.24 | python | me too |
| 18:46.31 | peterS | jacobw: how do you think cp works, then? |
| 18:46.43 | python | /dev/sdb/deb.iso |
| 18:46.58 | peterS | python: sure, if /dev/sdb is a directory. but why would it be? |
| 18:47.17 | peterS | I'm assuming /dev/sdb is a block device |
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| 18:47.26 | jacobw | 'let's confuse new users with pendanty' |
| 18:47.35 | peterS | in which case, cp will write to it almost exactly the same way dd writes to it, except cp is a little more efficient |
| 18:47.56 | peterS | and cp's syntax is somewhat easier to remember |
| 18:47.59 | python | peterS, did you ever tried it ? |
| 18:48.03 | peterS | yes |
| 18:48.11 | python | it worked right ? |
| 18:48.22 | peterS | I would not be suggesting it if I'd tried it and it didn't work |
| 18:48.43 | peterS | go ahead, keep using dd to copy files. but I use cp. |
| 18:49.04 | python | gonna give it a try |
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| 18:50.43 | peterS | the only real difference between 'dd if=foo of=bar' and 'cp foo bar' is that dd by default only copies 1024 bytes at a time, whereas cp copies 4096 bytes at a time |
| 18:51.02 | peterS | if you use _other_ dd options other than if= and of=, of course, it can behave differently, and sometimes you need those |
| 18:51.03 | jaimef | and dd can allow for slack :P |
| 18:51.08 | peterS | slack? |
| 18:51.37 | jaimef | yeah on aix for example dd if=/dev/zero of=/somefile to fill a filesystem would result in jfs warnings about high fragmentation |
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| 18:51.57 | peterS | and cp avoids those warnings? that's pretty odd |
| 18:53.04 | jaimef | yeah it was, opened a trouble ticket with support and gave them the command, and they said it wrote smaller blocks. which seemed odd to me |
| 18:53.27 | peterS | the nice thing about dd is its options like conv=notrunc, bs=, count=, skip=, etc. But some people have this bizarre idea that you have to use dd instead of cp any time you're dealing with device files. I have no idea where this idea ever came from, but it seems to be widespread. |
| 18:53.58 | python | no need of war for that |
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| 18:54.13 | python | whats? |
| 18:54.23 | peterS | jaimef: oh, yeah, dd has a default "block size" of either 512 or 1024, depending on your unix flavor, whereas cp just uses the C stdio buffer size, which is typically at least 4096 bytes |
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| 18:54.29 | python | sets channel limit to 9999 |
| 18:55.19 | peterS | python: debhelper is a bot that adjusts channel limit to be not too much higher than current user count. this makes join-floods, which some kids do for fun, a lot less annoying. |
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| 18:55.36 | jacobw | people do that :| |
| 18:55.55 | ksx4system | any ideas why Compiz used with XFCE don't want to allow me to switch windows between virtual desktops? |
| 18:55.57 | ksx4system | how to fix it? |
| 18:55.59 | ksx4system | please help |
| 18:56.41 | jacobw | has is done that in the past ksx4system ? |
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| 18:57.16 | ksx4system | jacobw: i just installed and configured Compiz, XFCE used to work perfectly |
| 18:57.51 | cardamon | ksx4system: Have you check to see if it reset the number of desktops? I'm pretty sure Compiz itself controls them. |
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| 18:58.07 | cardamon | You'll want to look in cssm or whatever compiz's configuration tool is. |
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| 18:59.11 | ksx4system | cardamon: Compiz sees four desktops, just like I configured it. XFCE sees one |
| 18:59.20 | ksx4system | and I can't change it in XFCE |
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| 19:00.06 | ksx4system | cardamon: both XFCE's panel and tint2 doesn't allow me to "jump" to another window on another desktop |
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| 19:00.24 | cardamon | ksx4system: how about switching with compiz's keybindings? |
| 19:01.02 | cardamon | Not having compiz nor having messed with it in years, i'm throwing darts at a board. |
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| 19:01.19 | python | peterS, what if there's netjoin |
| 19:01.48 | peterS | python: if there's a netsplit / join, the debhelper bot probably hasn't adjusted the channel limit downward before the join, so everyone just gets back in |
| 19:02.08 | peterS | but occasionally it does happen that some of us get kicked out to #debian-overflow and have to get back into #debian manually |
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| 19:02.41 | ksx4system | cardamon: I need switching over panel, not keybindings. alt+tab switches only through windows on the same virtual desktop. |
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| 19:04.25 | mrgordon | Sup fellas |
| 19:04.25 | amphi | ksx4system: I expect you have to enable some ewmh setting/plugin |
| 19:04.33 | cardamon | ksx4system: Yes, but i'm trying to determine if those desktops compiz say exist actually exist. |
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| 19:04.49 | ksx4system | amphi: ewmh? what's that? |
| 19:04.50 | cardamon | IIRC, compiz steals managment of them from your DE. |
| 19:04.51 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 19:05.08 | amphi | ksx4system: compiz has viewports, not desktops, if I recall correctly |
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| 19:05.14 | amphi | not the same thing at all |
| 19:05.18 | ksx4system | cardamon: they exist. after restarting XFCE it works |
| 19:05.19 | cardamon | amphi: Bingo. |
| 19:05.39 | ksx4system | cardamon: eg. not works what I need but XFCE sees 4 desktops |
| 19:05.39 | tdn | I have a problem using 'find' with many '-or' operators. When I run 'find' from zsh, it can easily handle 23 expressions with -or in between, however, if I run the same find command via cron, it fails if there is more than 20 expressions. What gives? Is this a bug in cron? |
| 19:05.53 | cardamon | amphi: thanks for filling in my swisscheese brain holes |
| 19:06.04 | amphi | ksx4system: is there some 'desktop integration' setting? that might be the thing |
| 19:06.10 | flux242 | Hi, I've got a strange problem with the synaptic touchpad. I've set Vert and HorizEdgeScroll to 0 but there is still reversed scrolling on the left edge. Haven't googled anything useful. Maybe someone has encountered the same problem? |
| 19:06.11 | peterS | tdn: you don't have any extraneous newline characters in your crontab, I hope? |
| 19:06.23 | tdn | peterS, nope. |
| 19:06.28 | amphi | I used compiz a while back, but not for very long, and standalone (sans DE) |
| 19:06.29 | Tigerboy | how do you tell the package manager to overwrite a file? when it says that a file from another package was already installed with that name and at that location? |
| 19:06.38 | cardamon | flux242: Haven't googled? Maybe you should try. :P |
| 19:06.43 | peterS | tdn: cron executes each line using /bin/sh -c '...'. If you do the same thing interactively, does that work? |
| 19:06.50 | wuffi600 | after distupgrade from lenny to squeeze symlinks in samba-shares can not be followed by smb-clients any more. I've already tried adding follow symlinks = yes, wide symlinks = yes and unix extensions = no and restart of samba but this has not solved the problem. could you help? |
| 19:06.59 | flux242 | I have. Haven't found anything useful |
| 19:07.01 | peterS | i.e., crontab -l, then paste that stuff into a command line with /bin/sh -c ' ' around it |
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| 19:07.21 | cardamon | amphi: I found everytime I used it I only wanted two things: transparent terminals and that neat cube rotation. |
| 19:07.29 | tdn | peterS, the line contains ' chars. Can I test with "/bin/sh -c < inputfile" where inputifle contians the line? |
| 19:07.46 | peterS | tdn: no, that'd be a bit different. put "" around it instead of '' then |
| 19:07.49 | eviltoaster | Where could i see real time world wide attacks? i know there is a site with flash or something but i forgot the name :/ |
| 19:07.53 | tdn | peterS, ok. |
| 19:07.54 | amphi | cardamon: you can have transparent terminals in any WM with xcompmgr or similar |
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| 19:08.21 | architek | Tigerboy: aptitude install -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" package |
| 19:08.21 | cardamon | amphi: xcompmgr is buggy, and truely transparent terms are really annoying depending on what's behind them. |
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| 19:08.55 | peterS | I will never understand transparent terminals. to me, the whole point of a terminal is so I can read the text inside it. having a background bleed through would totally keep me from getting work done, my brain would spend too much effort trying to read what I'm doing |
| 19:08.56 | flux242 | This behaviour looks like a bad joke. Who on earth would need reversed scrolling on the left side of a touchpad? |
| 19:08.57 | cardamon | Better to use a terminal with a tinted viewport or something behind it, and save the cpu. |
| 19:09.00 | tdn | peterS, /bin/sh -c ".." works fine. |
| 19:09.03 | cardamon | if you want pretty. |
| 19:09.11 | themill | peterS++ |
| 19:09.12 | Tigerboy | architek: perfect thank you so much :) |
| 19:09.18 | amphi | cardamon: I use a tiling WM so there's never anything behind them other than my illustrious root window image |
| 19:09.27 | cardamon | peterS: That was pretty much my opinion after five minutes. |
| 19:09.38 | architek | eviltoaster: maybe dshield.org ? |
| 19:09.39 | peterS | cardamon: heh, so it's not just me |
| 19:09.40 | ksx4system | amphi: there's not |
| 19:09.46 | cardamon | Rotating a cube was still pretty neat, but I can live without. |
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| 19:09.51 | architek | Tigerboy: you're welcome :) |
| 19:09.56 | amphi | peterS: I design my root images carefully |
| 19:09.58 | amphi | ;) |
| 19:10.15 | tdn | peterS, is there a max length for a cron command? This is about 1222 chars. |
| 19:10.27 | jelly-home | amphi: I root other people designs with wild abandon! |
| 19:10.33 | peterS | amphi: well, if you do perhaps 80% opacity, so the background that bleeds through is barely visible, maybe that would not hurt so much |
| 19:10.37 | cardamon | Tiling always hurt by brain. I need to be able to shuffle things likea stack of paper. |
| 19:11.00 | peterS | tdn: I was not aware of such a limit, but then, I've never tried ridiculously long lines in cron |
| 19:11.03 | amphi | peterS: right, that's more or less what I have, and the image is greyscale with little contrast |
| 19:11.20 | peterS | tdn: worst case, of course, you have cron run a script in $HOME/bin or something, and put the long stuff in there |
| 19:11.32 | amphi | cardamon: eww, overlapping windows *shudder* ;) |
| 19:11.35 | mrgordon | How do I change the theme for gdm ? |
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| 19:11.46 | cardamon | I'm running terminator with 80% opacity, showing my desktop underneath. |
| 19:11.56 | eviltoaster | architek, no there is a better site :/ |
| 19:12.04 | cardamon | amphi: Anything else breaks my "flow" |
| 19:13.00 | cardamon | Okay, I'm looking for a virtualization software on which to install Windows and all the software I'm required to have an use on it as well. |
| 19:13.14 | tdn | peterS, yeah, however, I cannot find anything about such a limit in man 5 crontab. Also, I do not belive there is such a limit. I have never heard of it myself. It was just speculation. |
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| 19:13.49 | peterS | tdn: GNU software generally doesn't have line length limits, but vixie cron is pretty far from being gnu software.. |
| 19:14.06 | cardamon | IIRC VMware isn't open and costs money, Vbox isn't open/kinda closed but is free, and Qemu is open and free. Do I have that abobut right? |
| 19:14.41 | tdn | peterS, I am putting it in a script now to see if that makes any difference. |
| 19:14.50 | tdn | Running the script from cron instead then. |
| 19:14.57 | tdn | If that does not work, then what? |
| 19:15.08 | peterS | adds a dummy crontab entry that just does 'echo' with 2000+ characters after it. will see what it emails me in a few seconds here |
| 19:15.28 | tdn | Ok. It works if it is in a script. |
| 19:15.53 | peterS | tdn: hmmm. my emailed output cuts off my echo statement at 988 characters or so |
| 19:16.02 | tdn | WTF?! |
| 19:16.05 | peterS | so, yeah, 1024-character line buffer in cron, I'm thinking |
| 19:16.11 | tdn | What kind of behaviour is that? |
| 19:16.15 | tdn | peterS, probably. |
| 19:16.17 | jelly-home | peterS: on the other hand, Debian's patch conglomerate makes it pretty far from vixie's vixie cron |
| 19:16.20 | tdn | That is shit! |
| 19:16.27 | architek | cardamon: since its been bought by oracle, new features are part of addons which are closed. vbox remains free. |
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| 19:16.57 | peterS | jelly-home: I'm just calling it vixie cron to honor its heritage, I know "3.0pl1-116" indicates a certain amount of patching |
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| 19:16.59 | themill | tdn: I don't think anyone wants to read a long script in crontab format. |
| 19:17.06 | jelly-home | cardamon: vmware player is a binary-only, free to use option. |
| 19:17.07 | tdn | Where do I report this bug? In Debian or is there some kind of upstream for cron? |
| 19:17.19 | peterS | tdn: "is there some kind of upstream for cron" is a really good question (: |
| 19:17.21 | arghx | architek: the usb support in the free versions happened since oracle took over. |
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| 19:17.37 | peterS | it was written by paul vixie about 250 years ago and not really touched by him since |
| 19:17.46 | jhutchins_lt2 | peterS: I don't think cron has changed much. |
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| 19:18.06 | songmachine | hello |
| 19:18.13 | peterS | tdn: I'd just use 'reportbug' to report it to debian. the debian maintainer can forward it to ... wherever cron is actually maintained these days |
| 19:18.39 | cardamon | jelly-home: What doo I need to create a VM from scratch? |
| 19:18.51 | themill | tdn: personally, if I were the cron maintainer, I'd just document it as a feature in crontab(5) and suggest that people write readable scripts and put them elsewhere. |
| 19:19.02 | jelly-home | peterS: your /usr/sbin/sendmail may or may not have cut the mail lines to conform to RFCxx21 990 char limit |
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| 19:19.52 | peterS | jelly-home: oh, guess that's also possible, though you'd think it would do so by converting the text to quoted-printable |
| 19:20.03 | jelly-home | cardamon: never used it (but contrary to its name, vmware player apparently _can_ do that now) |
| 19:20.24 | peterS | (quoted-printable breaks lines around 76 chars by inserting = and a newline) |
| 19:20.37 | jelly-home | peterS: echo -e "blaaaaaaaaa\nline 222222222222222\nline 333333333333333333" |
| 19:20.40 | tdn | peterS, ok. |
| 19:20.59 | tdn | themill, that would be fine too. But it is really a bug if it is not documented. |
| 19:21.07 | songmachine | http://file.qip.ru/photo/mdNBmmRa/óÎÉÍÏË.html |
| 19:21.07 | tdn | It doesn't even warn that it cuts off chars. |
| 19:21.12 | songmachine | some can help? |
| 19:21.16 | songmachine | someone* |
| 19:21.19 | tdn | This could potentially be extremely dangerous. |
| 19:21.28 | tdn | It just cuts off some of the command and runs it. |
| 19:22.05 | jelly-home | songmachine: can you explain what's gone wrong there, using words? |
| 19:22.31 | peterS | tdn: agreed. I think it'd be reasonable for cron to refuse to run really really long commands, but not to just truncate and run them. |
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| 19:22.46 | peterS | also, they should be refused at crontab(1) time, not just at cron(8) time |
| 19:22.56 | songmachine | where |
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| 19:23.22 | tdn | Imagine doing a command like: rsync -vaP foo1 foo2 ...LONG LIST... fooNNN destination... |
| 19:23.30 | songmachine | what u mean jelly-home |
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| 19:23.34 | peterS | heh, that would be bad, wouldn't it |
| 19:23.42 | tdn | peterS, exactly! |
| 19:23.42 | jelly-home | songmachine: what am I looking at. |
| 19:23.47 | Mella | Hello. |
| 19:23.54 | Mella | As events unfold around the PlayStation Network data breach that exposed personally identifiable information for 77 million accounts, Sony has announced that it did encrypt credit card data contained within the database accessed by hackers. But many security experts believe that wasn't nearly enough protection to fully safeguard consumer data, and that the incident is a good example of how the compliance-centric security focus endemic |
| 19:24.21 | jelly-home | accidental paste or a troll? |
| 19:24.31 | abrotman | Mella: wrong channel, no one cares |
| 19:24.31 | nkuttler | more like incomplete spam i guess |
| 19:24.33 | Mella | Do you think it is safe to have your credit card number on file in an encrypted database?\ |
| 19:24.36 | boudiccas | my money is on a troll |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | Mella: try #defocus |
| 19:24.46 | peterS | Mella: wrong channel. last warning. |
| 19:24.52 | jelly-home | exclamation mark ops Mella |
| 19:24.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:24.58 | Mella | Oh stop it. |
| 19:25.01 | abrotman | no "bang" |
| 19:25.04 | Mella | My BF is one of the founders of this channel. |
| 19:25.10 | songmachine | mm.... what are u looking?:) |
| 19:25.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: bang! |
| 19:25.11 | nkuttler | bye |
| 19:25.12 | abrotman | doesn't make it on-topic |
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| 19:25.18 | boudiccas | whoopeydoodah! |
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| 19:25.40 | peterS | huh, looks like you're using a newer autobleh than I am |
| 19:25.43 | boudiccas | !u |
| 19:25.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:25.53 | peterS | one that supports +q syntax directly |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | Mella: try #defocus or #debian-offtopic .. it is not on-topic for #debian, thanks, have a nice day |
| 19:26.23 | abrotman | peterS: though i think i need to re-sync again |
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| 19:29.19 | tdn | Is there a way to have 'find' search all files in a given path, say, '/foo' except some specified subdirs of this path? e.g. '/foo/ignore' |
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| 19:29.28 | peterS | no need for both kinds of +q there |
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| 19:30.12 | Riviera | tdn: yes, see for example -prune |
| 19:30.27 | peterS | tdn: \( -name ignore -prune \) -o -name .... |
| 19:30.39 | Riviera | tdn: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 19:30.39 | tdn | Riviera, I was looking at -prune in the man page but did not understand how to use it. |
| 19:31.05 | tdn | peterS, but will that also ignore /foo/bar/ignore ? |
| 19:31.18 | peterS | tdn: -name applies to any filename it comes across, so yes |
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| 19:31.55 | tdn | peterS, yeah, that is no really what I want... |
| 19:32.16 | tdn | I want to give a full absolute path. |
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| 19:32.21 | peterS | tdn: -path then, not -name |
| 19:32.23 | python | How to get wireless to work ? usb install |
| 19:32.24 | Riviera | tdn: -path |
| 19:32.27 | tdn | OH. Thanks. |
| 19:32.44 | peterS | so like -path 'foo/*/ignore' |
| 19:33.09 | peterS | the * does not match a / character so that sort of thing means ignore 'ignore' files or dirs only at that specific depth |
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| 19:33.47 | songmachine | anybody can help with my problem? please |
| 19:34.17 | amphi | songmachine: I don't think anyone knows what it is, yet |
| 19:34.39 | songmachine | http://file.qip.ru/photo/mdNBmmRa/óÎÉÍÏË.html |
| 19:34.44 | boudiccas | have you thought of using locate? sudo updatedb, and then when ti complates locate foo |
| 19:35.14 | songmachine | i have no free space on / |
| 19:35.20 | abrotman | so free some up |
| 19:35.29 | peterS | oooh! another screenshot for my (small) cameo gallery |
| 19:35.31 | amphi | songmachine: ah - a time for deleting |
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| 19:35.55 | peterS | (I used to keep copies of all screenshots I found that had an IRC window in them where <peterS> made an appearance) |
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| 19:35.57 | amphi | songmachine: apt-get clean or aptitude clean might help |
| 19:36.04 | pipeline | How do I change the image displayed on the xscreensaver unlock dialog ? |
| 19:36.10 | amphi | peterS: heheh |
| 19:36.19 | pipeline | I want to be able to easily distinguish my home xss from work xss, and theimage would be the easiest way to do it. |
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| 19:37.10 | peterS | pipeline: not sure offhand but I bet it's in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver |
| 19:37.26 | songmachine | doesn't help:( |
| 19:37.57 | GNU\colossus | you need to tell the X server to merge those preferences into its runtime config if you change these values |
| 19:37.58 | peterS | pipeline: by which I also mean ~/.Xresources, if you load that file on X login. (not sure if that's still done by default with modern windowing environments) |
| 19:38.00 | GNU\colossus | man xrdb |
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| 19:38.53 | songmachine | anything else? |
| 19:39.10 | pipeline | peterS: That was my thought also |
| 19:39.16 | pipeline | peterS: but there's no X resource for teh unlock image |
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| 19:39.24 | peterS | pipeline: indeed, I don't see one either |
| 19:40.06 | amphi | songmachine: you must delete stuff |
| 19:40.32 | amphi | songmachine: it might be worth looking in /var/log to see whether any logs have grown out of control |
| 19:41.40 | amphi | songmachine: all sorts of things can bloat - my ~/.xsession-errors is a handy 300-odd MB ATM |
| 19:41.57 | python | How to get wireless to work ? usb install |
| 19:42.28 | songmachine | i cant install any pakages.... i dont know what can i delete from / |
| 19:42.28 | peterS | python: that very much depends on your wireless chipset |
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| 19:42.36 | boudiccas | python; not enough information |
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| 19:43.05 | NikLP | ok so themill was kind enough to help earlier. I think that my php may be slightly screwy though. Reckon it was recompiled down to 5.2. Now getting this error from a cli : |
| 19:43.06 | peterS | python: alt-f2 to get a console, run 'lspci | grep Network' |
| 19:43.07 | NikLP | php: error while loading shared libraries: libmhash.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:43.19 | peterS | python: ...and tell us what wireless chip you've got |
| 19:43.23 | themill | hides |
| 19:44.00 | architek | songmachine: you *could* delete /usr/share/doc/* |
| 19:44.19 | streuner_ | all of it? :-P |
| 19:44.22 | songmachine | sorry but i used first time linux (debian) |
| 19:44.23 | architek | as long as you stay here you don't need the manpages ;) |
| 19:44.33 | streuner_ | argh |
| 19:45.03 | streuner_ | WHO needs manpages in Linux? :-) |
| 19:45.06 | songmachine | in /usr i have space.... i need only "/" |
| 19:45.34 | jelly-home | songmachine: get rid of some of that crap you have in /home |
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| 19:45.50 | jelly-home | songmachine: which filesystem type is your / ? |
| 19:46.11 | architek | ahah the 5% |
| 19:46.20 | jelly-home | architek: exactly |
| 19:46.43 | jelly-home | when you're really strapped for space, bite into the 5% |
| 19:46.46 | songmachine | I do not know what is there that can be removed |
| 19:47.01 | NikLP | themill: ok point taken :P |
| 19:47.07 | jelly-home | songmachine: how many users are there on your system? |
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| 19:47.32 | jelly-home | songmachine: is this a server or a workstation installation or something else? |
| 19:47.35 | architek | jelly-home: I begin by removing docs :) I did this yesterday :/ one day I should read what lvm is |
| 19:47.42 | themill | NikLP: once again, work out which php you're actually running, which libraries it wants and whether they're from debian or not. |
| 19:48.29 | NikLP | yikes |
| 19:49.07 | jelly-home | songmachine: pastebin the output of "LC_ALL=C df", please. http://paste.debian.net/ to paste the text instead of a picture. |
| 19:49.29 | songmachine | http://file.qip.ru/photo/7YBsq5Or/%D0%A1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA-2.html |
| 19:49.38 | songmachine | i hope it help |
| 19:49.45 | jelly-home | sigh |
| 19:49.50 | NikLP | themill: I had wondered if there was some nice way to just overwrite it all with a nice fresh install of 5.3 :P |
| 19:50.28 | themill | NikLP: if you get rid of everything in /usr/local and then upgrade to squeeze, probably... |
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| 19:50.57 | jelly-home | /usr/local can be mv-ed away, too :-D |
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| 19:51.19 | NikLP | themill: ouch :) |
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| 19:51.53 | songmachine | its workstation, i use only..... OS Debian Squeeze |
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| 19:53.17 | jelly-home | songmachine: so find what kind of crap do you have 7 gigs of under /home and clean some of that out |
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| 19:54.30 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/137779/ |
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| 19:54.59 | jelly-home | alright, that is more useful |
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| 19:55.31 | jelly-home | songmachine: also pastebin "ls -l /boot" and "uname -r" output |
| 19:56.28 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/137783/ |
| 19:56.30 | jelly-home | songmachine: probably going to end up removing an old kernel package if it exists |
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| 19:56.51 | NikLP | I am so boned :D |
| 19:57.05 | songmachine | uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 19:57.15 | resus | hi i have a weird problem, when i ping from a linux machine it takes almost a minute to start getting responses while from a windows machine it's instant |
| 19:57.34 | resus | i took a capture and it seems to be doing some kind of netbios request |
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| 19:57.51 | resus | is there some way to turn off netbios queries on alinux box? |
| 19:57.55 | songmachine | is bad? |
| 19:58.42 | jelly-home | songmachine: no, that means you can dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 19:59.02 | jelly-home | well. |
| 19:59.08 | architek | and then you could install localepurge |
| 19:59.16 | jelly-home | songmachine: maybe purge just linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 for a start |
| 19:59.24 | jelly-home | architek: look at his df first. |
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| 19:59.31 | architek | ah damn |
| 19:59.47 | jelly-home | the first screenshot was misleading |
| 20:01.26 | songmachine | before i have lanny than i update to squeeze |
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| 20:02.27 | jelly-home | songmachine: next time, better to use a single partition for a home linux filesystem. Separate /home only if you want. |
| 20:02.56 | jelly-home | separate /usr, /var, /tmp is just silly |
| 20:03.13 | jelly-home | but it's too late to fix lenny installer now I guess |
| 20:03.59 | songmachine | ok.... but before the upgrade I had no problems |
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| 20:05.11 | songmachine | so... how to clean? |
| 20:05.30 | thewanderer1 | resus, check /etc/nsswitch.conf, see what name services are used |
| 20:05.44 | resus | files dns |
| 20:05.51 | resus | no wins there |
| 20:06.09 | thewanderer1 | and how exactly do you know that it's making a NetBIOS request? |
| 20:06.14 | simonlnu | how do you find a package with a particular build-dep? |
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| 20:08.29 | n-iCe | hi |
| 20:08.31 | bmoloney | Any autofs experts around? I am wondering if it is possible to specify the permissions/ownership on the "key" directories (the directory between the base directory and the mount point) |
| 20:08.44 | python | no |
| 20:08.48 | python | hi N-I-L |
| 20:08.50 | python | hi n-iCe |
| 20:08.58 | python | join #archlinux-newbies please |
| 20:08.58 | jelly-home | songmachine: purge the old lenny kernel package. |
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| 20:09.01 | resus | thewanderer1: i get this after the ping request Name query NBSTAT *<00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00><00> |
| 20:09.10 | songmachine | how |
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| 20:09.24 | architek | simonlnu: from the manpage : grep-dctrl -s Package -F Build-Depends,Build-Depends-Indep quilt /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources |
| 20:09.27 | jelly-home | songmachine: no, that means you can dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | to quote myself |
| 20:09.33 | python | ooops |
| 20:09.34 | python | :/ |
| 20:10.16 | songmachine | dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 - i need to write this on my terminal, yes? |
| 20:10.16 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 - i need to write this on my terminal, yes all over songmachine and Mr_Queue... |
| 20:10.45 | jelly-home | songmachine: do it as root, in a terminal, yes |
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| 20:11.03 | simonlnu | architek: thank you very much |
| 20:11.41 | songmachine | ok |
| 20:11.45 | architek | simonlnu: you're welcome! |
| 20:12.50 | bmoloney | python: is that "no" answering my question?? |
| 20:13.01 | python | no |
| 20:13.07 | bmoloney | yes |
| 20:13.27 | python | yes |
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| 20:14.38 | songmachine | doesnt help |
| 20:15.12 | python | no |
| 20:15.13 | as001 | hello i just installed debian squeeze server and it forced me to upgrade kernel to 2.6.38 if I want to make my atheros network card to work, but new kernel has unreadable font in console (to small). How can I make those letters bigger ? |
| 20:16.56 | arghx | simonlnu: grepping /var/lib/dpkg/status for the build dep maybe (if it's a lib) |
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| 20:17.26 | arghx | as001: there is no debian with a 2.6.38 kernel. you sure it's a debian kernel? |
| 20:18.13 | as001 | from backports |
| 20:18.28 | as001 | 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 20:18.28 | arghx | there is no such thing in backports either |
| 20:18.48 | n-iCe | .39 |
| 20:18.52 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/137791/ |
| 20:19.03 | arghx | !kernels |
| 20:19.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110831, linux-next: next-20110831, snapshot 3: 3.1-rc4-git2, mainline 3: 3.1-rc4 , stable 3.0: 3.0.4 , stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.4 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.14 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.10 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.19 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.46 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 |
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| 20:19.35 | tehrabbitt-1 | hey, quick question.... |
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| 20:19.50 | tehrabbitt-1 | any reason why the hostname of my machine isn't registering with my windows DNS server? |
| 20:19.53 | arghx | as001: console-tools config should do it. run its debconf again |
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| 20:20.04 | tehrabbitt-1 | if I ping my debian system via it's IP it works |
| 20:20.10 | tehrabbitt-1 | but if I try via the hostname... nothing |
| 20:20.19 | tehrabbitt-1 | I check the DNS server, no registration |
| 20:20.36 | tehrabbitt-1 | shoudln't it technically register automatically? |
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| 20:20.55 | GNU\colossus | is your windows server also providing DHCP services? |
| 20:21.00 | arghx | tehrabbitt-1: there is some setting in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf (or whichever dhclient conf is used) that tells dhclient to send the hostname. by default disabled afaik |
| 20:21.23 | tehrabbitt-1 | ah |
| 20:21.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | i'll look into it, thanks |
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| 20:22.49 | tehrabbitt-1 | I just realized i'm not using DHCP |
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| 20:22.55 | tehrabbitt-1 | i forgot, the machine is statically set |
| 20:22.56 | tehrabbitt-1 | haha |
| 20:23.01 | arghx | duh... |
| 20:23.11 | tehrabbitt-1 | so not sure if enabling it would help :-\ |
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| 20:23.15 | python | lol |
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| 20:23.41 | tehrabbitt-1 | I mean where would it usually send the hostname? |
| 20:23.44 | tehrabbitt-1 | only on dhcp? |
| 20:24.11 | as001 | arghx i installed console-tools via apt what should I do now |
| 20:24.18 | arghx | if you use static IPs you need to tell the DNS server explictly. no other way |
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| 20:24.43 | arghx | as001: you installed them right now, they weren't installed already? |
| 20:24.54 | as001 | yes |
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| 20:25.20 | as001 | but I can not say console-tools there is no such command |
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| 20:26.42 | project2501a | maybe |
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| 20:27.36 | architek | Isn't there LLMNR too? Link-local Multicast Name Resolution. I think my debian got recognized in the windows network last time without me doing anything to dhclient.conf |
| 20:27.49 | architek | windows server 2008 dns |
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| 20:28.45 | jelly-home | songmachine: what do you mean by "doesn't help"? |
| 20:28.45 | arghx | as001: use console-setup then. install that, it comes with an UI to change it IIRC |
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| 20:29.29 | arghx | architek: that's simply the way windows treats NETBIOS names for DNS as well since XP or so. ie, you need to use samba for that to work |
| 20:30.47 | arghx | songmachine: looks fine to me. I doubt you will have any more 2.6.26 on your system |
| 20:31.15 | davidisko | hi guys, i have this trouble... any ideas? |
| 20:31.17 | davidisko | umount -f /mnt |
| 20:31.17 | davidisko | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 20:31.17 | davidisko | umount: /mnt: device is busy. |
| 20:31.17 | davidisko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.17 | as001 | FIxed ? Terminus or VGA ? what should I chose _ |
| 20:31.22 | arghx | songmachine: the 2.6.32-5-486 doesn't look like it's needed anymore either |
| 20:31.28 | arghx | as001: whatever you want |
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| 20:31.42 | as001 | ok thanks |
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| 20:32.03 | songmachine | i cant install any pakages |
| 20:32.24 | fckgw | how do i pause a while loop that reads from file after each line and wait for prompt in bash? |
| 20:32.28 | jelly-home | songmachine: what happens when you try installing a package? |
| 20:32.30 | fckgw | read fname |
| 20:32.33 | fckgw | while read line |
| 20:32.38 | fckgw | do echo $line |
| 20:32.45 | jelly-home | sleep 1 |
| 20:32.46 | fckgw | done<$fname |
| 20:33.04 | fckgw | hmm that will sleep for one second or will wait for prompt ? |
| 20:33.13 | arghx | wait for a second |
| 20:33.20 | jelly-home | fckgw: it won't wait for a prompt |
| 20:33.30 | fckgw | and how is it done to wait for prompt? :) |
| 20:33.36 | fckgw | why? |
| 20:34.03 | songmachine | i read that i have no free space |
| 20:34.05 | davidisko | hi guys, i'm trying to umount lvm partition mounted on /mnt (also with -f) and getting device or resource busy. "lsof /mnt; lsof | grep mnt; fuser -km /mnt" says nothing... any ideas? |
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| 20:34.33 | jelly-home | fckgw: it's done using "read" on stdin, but you're already using that to pipe the input file. |
| 20:34.37 | arghx | songmachine: then I would remove the unneeded -486 kernel for starters |
| 20:35.11 | fckgw | so what would be the solution to get this work? |
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| 20:35.21 | songmachine | its need clean too? |
| 20:35.29 | Iridos | davidisko, fuser -k doesn't usually print, it just kills without printing iirc. plain fuser -m /mnt would print (but only can see all processes if run as root) |
| 20:35.30 | jelly-home | fckgw: therefore, you will have to use a different file descriptor to read lines from the input file, and leave stdin alone |
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| 20:36.03 | fckgw | what would be another one? |
| 20:36.09 | davidisko | Iridos: i'm running it as root, but fuser -m /mnt show nothing also :( |
| 20:36.21 | jelly-home | fckgw: eg. read -u3 line | while ...; do ...; done <3 inputfile (completely untested) |
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| 20:36.43 | fckgw | i'll give it a try |
| 20:37.37 | jelly-home | don't. read the bash manual first to see what's wrong about my suggestion |
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| 20:37.52 | jelly-home | for one thing, it's not <3 but 3< |
| 20:38.12 | Iridos | the heart? |
| 20:38.47 | jelly-home | songmachine: which filesystem do you not have any free space on, now? |
| 20:39.07 | songmachine | on / |
| 20:39.09 | jelly-home | songmachine: inspect the output of "df" again |
| 20:39.24 | Iridos | davidisko, well, there's umount -l, which doesn't really solve anything but overall I would say "nothing that a reboot cannot heal" |
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| 20:40.01 | jelly-home | songmachine: is it still 99% filled or is it less? |
| 20:40.28 | songmachine | 100% |
| 20:40.29 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/137806/ |
| 20:40.35 | jelly-home | davidisko: swap files? loopback devices using a file on that fs? |
| 20:40.39 | davidisko | Iridos: wow that helped :) it allows me to remove volume now :) |
| 20:40.58 | Iridos | davidisko, read "man mount" - as I said, it doesn't really solve anything |
| 20:41.00 | jelly-home | umount -l doesn't really do anything except hiding the mount point |
| 20:41.23 | songmachine | http://file.qip.ru/photo/kISdrn1r/óÎÉÍÏË-3.html |
| 20:42.07 | jelly-home | songmachine: use "df" please, not that graphical tool. |
| 20:42.07 | davidisko | Iridos: probably it solved something... i can't lvremove lv till umounting it.. |
| 20:42.15 | songmachine | i use |
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| 20:42.30 | pipeline | peterS: ultimately I had to recompile xscreensaver to change the freaking image |
| 20:42.32 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/137806/ |
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| 20:42.41 | pipeline | peterS: it's an XPM hardcoded into the app |
| 20:42.53 | jelly-home | songmachine: ok, so which filesystem is still full? |
| 20:43.11 | songmachine | i think its / |
| 20:43.22 | jelly-home | songmachine: I don't see any fs 100% there. |
| 20:43.24 | arghx | jelly-home: inodes? |
| 20:43.31 | songmachine | i mean file root system |
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| 20:44.28 | jelly-home | songmachine: why do you think so? it says there's still 70MB free on it. |
| 20:44.40 | jelly-home | songmachine: do you understand the output of df? |
| 20:45.12 | songmachine | i see... but why i cant install any pakages? |
| 20:45.41 | jelly-home | songmachine: don't know. How about showing use the actual error that happens when you try to install a package. |
| 20:45.48 | jelly-home | showing us* |
| 20:46.03 | songmachine | and why i see anytime when im comp is startet some error abou space |
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| 20:46.29 | jelly-home | songmachine: use "aptitude install packagename" to install a package you need, and pastebin the whole output. |
| 20:47.01 | jelly-home | sorry. |
| 20:47.32 | jelly-home | songmachine: make that "LC_ALL=C aptitude install packagename" because not all people in here can read cyrillics |
| 20:47.37 | songmachine | error on russian language... it mean " no free space on file root system" |
| 20:48.19 | jelly-home | songmachine: also, pastebin the output of "LC_ALL=C df -i" |
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| 20:49.07 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/137810/ |
| 20:49.14 | jelly-home | ext3 filesystem has a fixed, limited total number of files that can be there. df -i shows that |
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| 20:49.32 | jelly-home | and that limit is not reached. |
| 20:49.53 | jelly-home | now let's see that aptitude output |
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| 20:54.25 | songmachine | when i downloading pakages i see only http adress and word "failed" |
| 20:55.01 | stefuNz | hey :) i want that all users (except root) cannot shutdown the computer. how can i do that? :) |
| 20:56.16 | mrtn_ | I upgraded tg3.ko(driver for Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5722 NIC) from version 3.91 to 3.116j remotely over SSH with "rmmod tg3; sleep 5; insmod /root/user/Server/Linux/Driver/tg3-3.116j/tg3.ko". According to ""ethtool -i eth1" the driver is changed, but does this really work that easiliy? |
| 20:56.34 | mrtn_ | I mean I even did not lost the SSH connection or any other network settings. |
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| 21:01.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.. suppose I wanted to modify the size of my mouse icon.. how would i do that in linux? |
| 21:01.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | and no i dont use gnome or kde or any fancy stuff like that |
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| 21:02.05 | neewbiiieee | Hi all how to change 11.34.X.1 sorry to 11.21.X.99? |
| 21:02.22 | astra05 | so the nvidia noveoveau drivers are pretty unstable still? Do you have any options for the XGL support on a power mac g4 (PPC) other than that? |
| 21:02.27 | neewbiiieee | using vi |
| 21:03.20 | astra05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8jCP_-oBgQ |
| 21:03.38 | astra05 | erm, mispaste |
| 21:03.46 | jacobw | Eryn_1983_FL: which graphical environment are you using? |
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| 21:04.28 | jacobw | neewbiiieee: have you used vi before? |
| 21:04.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | stumpwm |
| 21:05.09 | neewbiiieee | jacobw: a little |
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| 21:06.51 | neewbiiieee | jacobw: %s/11.34.*.1/11.21.*.99/g ? |
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| 21:07.02 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 21:07.02 | dpkg | i heard vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 21:07.14 | jacobw | vimtutor |
| 21:07.24 | inthl | a sync command is taking very long here, is that normal? I just used rsync to copy about 300GB of data from another system over the net to the local here |
| 21:07.26 | jacobw | although is more a question of regular expressions |
| 21:07.47 | babilen | recommends vimtutor + http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/vim-novice-tutorial-videos/ (et al.) |
| 21:08.01 | cardamon | jacobw: What's the question? |
| 21:08.37 | jacobw | cardamon â neewbiiieee |
| 21:08.54 | inthl | any ideas? it is taking over half an hour now and I am asking myself whether I should restart the system, but I am afraid of data loss |
| 21:09.05 | babilen | neewbiiieee: You are aware of the #vim channel? What are you actually trying to achieve here? I mean you could just delete 11.34.X.1 and write 11.21.X.99, but I guess that is not what you want. What are the invariants and what is changing? |
| 21:09.26 | jelly-home | inthl: how much memory do you have? |
| 21:09.32 | inthl | 16GB RAM |
| 21:09.44 | inthl | top says that the used/free memory does not change |
| 21:09.58 | abrotman | inthl: tried iostat 3 ? to see if it's writing a bunch ? |
| 21:10.00 | jelly-home | inthl: oh, half an hour is excessive in any case. did you have any remote shares or possibly flaky usb sticks mounted |
| 21:10.12 | inthl | no |
| 21:10.19 | neewbiiieee | babilen: numbers go where X is |
| 21:10.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: 3? that's three times too slow! |
| 21:10.46 | jelly-home | inthl: does dmesg show any suspicious stuff |
| 21:10.46 | inthl | I can not install iostat, aptitude is locked by a zombie-process caused by that sync |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: okay .. |
| 21:10.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:11.04 | inthl | INFO: task sync:8470 blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 21:11.11 | MrFrood | Eryn_1983_FL: 'Xcursor.theme:NAMEOFTHETHEME' & 'Xcursor.size: SIZE' in Xdefaults |
| 21:11.16 | jelly-home | (apart from that, that was expected) |
| 21:11.26 | abrotman | inthl: have any Drive Not Ready errors? |
| 21:11.40 | jelly-home | before the task blocked |
| 21:11.43 | inthl | syslog has no information about that |
| 21:11.46 | babilen | neewbiiieee: And you want to "copy" those? All the IP addresses (?) start with 11.34 and end with .1? |
| 21:11.58 | cardamon | neewbiiieee: www.regular-expressions.info |
| 21:11.59 | jelly-home | inthl: you're looking at /var/log/kern.log right |
| 21:12.03 | cardamon | I think. |
| 21:12.13 | inthl | syslog |
| 21:12.19 | jelly-home | inthl: is there anything in "dmesg" command output missing from the log file? |
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| 21:12.34 | neewbiiieee | cardamon: thanks |
| 21:12.39 | neewbiiieee | babilen: yes |
| 21:12.45 | jelly-home | inthl: use the kernel specific log, it has less junk |
| 21:13.02 | inthl | no, the only unusual or latest relevant information (since hours) is that info about the sync-process |
| 21:13.10 | abrotman | is the system on fire? |
| 21:13.22 | jelly-home | no but the printer is |
| 21:13.46 | cardamon | You want to match 11.34.*.1, then replace using some kind of s/// syntax. A number of scripts and programs can do that. using a combination of cat, grep, sed and pipe operators is probably the easiest. |
| 21:13.51 | MrFrood | jelly-home: is that still in the kernel? |
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| 21:13.54 | jelly-home | inthl: bummer. which kernel? |
| 21:14.24 | inthl | top is showin that md2_raid has sometims load, I guess there is I/O going on there - md2 is the target of the 300GB data I transferred |
| 21:14.31 | inthl | 2.6.35, lenny latest |
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| 21:14.42 | jelly-home | inthl: uname -a, please |
| 21:14.47 | owen1 | how to delete a package and it's config files? |
| 21:14.57 | cardamon | Example: cat foo | sed 's/bar/baz/' > foo |
| 21:14.59 | inthl | 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:23:16 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:15.29 | jelly-home | inthl: anything wierd in /proc/mdstat ? |
| 21:15.34 | cardamon | That would read foo to sed, replacing all "bar" with "baz", then rewrite foo itself with this new stream. |
| 21:15.54 | inthl | no, everything is normal |
| 21:15.58 | inthl | no resync, everything's ok |
| 21:16.01 | inthl | is |
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| 21:16.18 | aarkerio | hi! I just installed Wheezy but there is not fglrx ATI Driver anymore |
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| 21:16.45 | inthl | damn what shall I do :/ could there be data corruption if I restart the system? |
| 21:16.46 | aarkerio | someone here have an ATI card? |
| 21:16.57 | owen1 | i try sudo apt-get purge <package> but locate still show me some stufgf |
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| 21:17.16 | aarkerio | should I upgrade to SID? |
| 21:17.34 | PerfDave | aarkerio: sid isn't an upgrade ;) |
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| 21:17.48 | devil | owen1: purge does not touch files in /home/user |
| 21:18.04 | aarkerio | I see fglrx-driver package is in Sid but not in Wheezy |
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| 21:18.31 | n-iCe | blah, my problem was not solved |
| 21:18.40 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.41 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 21:18.48 | owen1 | devil: i see stuff in /etc and /user and /var |
| 21:18.49 | n-iCe | after I install the bpo .39 kernel |
| 21:18.57 | n-iCe | 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 21:19.01 | n-iCe | any idea, why? |
| 21:19.03 | thewanderer1 | aarkerio, Sid is not an upgrade, Sid is running a bloody unstable system |
| 21:19.08 | jelly-home | inthl: yes. reboot, using the reset button if needed, redo the rsync. Perhaps add a --inplace |
| 21:19.21 | aarkerio | then how can I get the ATI Radeon driver? |
| 21:19.23 | devil | thewanderer1: unstable is bloddy stable |
| 21:20.07 | thewanderer1 | devil, in the same sense, you have a "bloody" divine aura :P |
| 21:20.10 | jelly-home | ftr, devil, I'm going to refer all further inquiries about sid to you |
| 21:20.26 | aarkerio | in testing was so easy: $sudo m-a a-i fglrx-kernel |
| 21:20.33 | aarkerio | and was installed |
| 21:20.38 | devil | jelly-home: to #debian-next on oftc please :) |
| 21:20.42 | inthl | hm, thank you. |
| 21:20.56 | jelly-home | nope! |
| 21:21.19 | aarkerio | my laptop is very hot without fglrx module |
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| 21:22.09 | jelly-home | inthl: no clues as to what happened there, sorry |
| 21:22.12 | aarkerio | I will follow this doc: |
| 21:22.13 | aarkerio | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian#Catalyst_11.9_and_Debian_Squeeze_x86_64_.28October_2011.29 |
| 21:22.16 | aarkerio | thanks! |
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| 21:24.20 | inthl | init 6 does not work, soft reset is necessary ...... |
| 21:27.08 | jelly-home | (that was also half expected) |
| 21:27.26 | jelly-home | inthl: sysrq-b might work |
| 21:27.42 | inthl | too late, just did a restart |
| 21:27.52 | jelly-home | it would have done the same thing ;-) |
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| 21:28.56 | inthl | heh wtf |
| 21:28.59 | inthl | md2 is resyncing |
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| 21:30.06 | smacnay | my Debian box suddenly quit recognizing the mouse, keyboard, and external hard drive. Could this be a software issue? The keyboard and mouse work before (in BIOS) before I get to the GRUB loader. |
| 21:30.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | smacnay: what have you changed ? |
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| 21:31.29 | smacnay | I did nothing more than update with aptitude and did unplug the monitor and eth cable 1x before plugging them back in. |
| 21:31.44 | smacnay | The box was assigned a new IP address when it was plugged back in. |
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| 21:32.10 | smacnay | This is a "testing" box so I wonder if there is a major bug in software but that is pretty big. |
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| 21:33.26 | nsadmin | aptitude update will not install, upgrade or remove any software |
| 21:33.55 | smacnay | nssorry - I meant to say update. |
| 21:34.08 | jelly-home | smacnay: have you edited any bios settings? disabled or enabled usb legacy input device support? |
| 21:34.16 | smacnay | aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 21:34.30 | smacnay | jellynot knowingly, no. |
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| 21:34.48 | jelly-home | smacnay: does the keyobard work at grub time? |
| 21:34.57 | n-iCe | :< |
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| 21:35.31 | n-iCe | still the same error with my wifi after install the bpo kernel |
| 21:35.32 | n-iCe | modprobe iwlagn |
| 21:35.32 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 21:35.34 | nsadmin | oh ok, the safe-upgrade could change your system |
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| 21:35.45 | n-iCe | any idea? I am really tired, and I need the wifi it is a laptop |
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| 21:36.38 | initself | i looks like default package for squid doesn't have an option I need |
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| 21:36.45 | initself | so i went: apt-get sources squid |
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| 21:37.08 | initself | and I went into the source directory and ran: ./configure --enable-wccpv2 |
| 21:37.19 | initself | but it didn't seem to install with that option when I checked with squid -v |
| 21:37.25 | initself | am I doing it wrong with configure? |
| 21:37.32 | smacnay | keyboard works for GRUB as I was able to run the safe mode |
| 21:37.35 | PerfDave | initself: Read the Debian documentation for how to build Debian packages from source packages |
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| 21:38.04 | initself | PerfDave: but in my case, do i need to actually build the package rather than just install the source? |
| 21:38.36 | PerfDave | initself: If you want to change the build options, you need to get the source package, build a binary package, and install the binary package |
| 21:38.53 | astra05 | do we have anyone here who is familiar with the ppc arch? |
| 21:39.00 | PerfDave | !ppc |
| 21:39.00 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:39.34 | PerfDave | initself: ./configure changes the way a package will be compiled (and is wrong for building Debian packages), and won't affect previously compiled binaries. |
| 21:39.43 | initself | i see |
| 21:39.57 | initself | i think i am misunderstanding what configure actually does (i've done this before) |
| 21:40.02 | initself | this is the doc? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 21:40.25 | inthl | having RAID1, as e.g. /dev/md0, which is /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 - an update for grub asks me where to install the bootloader |
| 21:40.34 | inthl | offering /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and /dev/md0 |
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| 21:40.50 | inthl | what shall I use? AFAIK it is sda, but could it also be md0? |
| 21:40.54 | PerfDave | initself: /dev/md0 |
| 21:40.58 | inthl | since md0 is a part of sda and sdb |
| 21:41.04 | PerfDave | Oh wait |
| 21:41.07 | initself | inthl: ^ |
| 21:41.23 | inthl | it says I could also select all 3 |
| 21:41.45 | inthl | but since md0 is just virtual and not a real disk, there should be no boot sector, true ..? |
| 21:41.48 | PerfDave | initself: "configure" generally creates a Makefile, with the right options for make to compile the binary the way you want. |
| 21:42.02 | initself | well that's what i did.... |
| 21:42.11 | initself | are you saying that's not how debian packages work? |
| 21:42.17 | Amarande | so, are the optical burner programs that come with squeeze compatible with burning blu-ray data discs, or do you need something newer for that? |
| 21:42.19 | inthl | the issue is that this is a remote server - I can't just play around? It has to restart again later |
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| 21:42.31 | initself | ./configure --myoopion \ make \ make install |
| 21:42.32 | PerfDave | inthl: No remote serial / kvm? |
| 21:42.42 | smacnay | jellysorry - keyboard works at GRUB |
| 21:42.48 | PerfDave | inthl: That's not how Debian packages work. Congratulations, you've just b0rked your system. |
| 21:42.54 | inthl | kvm is available but has to be configured first |
| 21:42.57 | skyshadow | initself:set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="your options" then do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
| 21:42.59 | PerfDave | initself even |
| 21:43.06 | smacnay | jelly-home: keyboard works at GRUB |
| 21:43.18 | PerfDave | initself: I would strongly advise a "make uninstall" in the build directory, followed by reinstalling the Debian package |
| 21:43.27 | initself | ok |
| 21:43.28 | inthl | other question: can I figure out somehow where the CURRENT bootloader is installed? |
| 21:43.35 | initself | man package management gets me down! |
| 21:43.55 | PerfDave | initself: If you're compiling software by hand, always do ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
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| 21:44.05 | PerfDave | initself: That keeps it away from the areas that Debian packages install to |
| 21:44.31 | jelly-home | smacnay: hmm. could be software, then |
| 21:44.36 | initself | PerfDave: But isn't the point to override the debian version, or would I want to keep that and then use my local one? |
| 21:44.40 | PerfDave | initself: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#packaging-tutorial is probably what you want |
| 21:44.42 | initself | (always confused about that. |
| 21:45.12 | PerfDave | initself: Depends what you want to achieve - sometimes having both installed is sensible. |
| 21:45.14 | jelly-home | smacnay: kernel if it fails to even even in console; some xorg part if it only fails in X |
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| 21:45.41 | PerfDave | initself: But if you want to change the compile options for Debian-packaged software, using the source package and creating a new binary package is the right way to go about it. |
| 21:45.51 | initself | I am on it. |
| 21:46.19 | inthl | any ideas? |
| 21:46.31 | inthl | can I just install it over sda, sdb and md0 perhaps? |
| 21:47.12 | PerfDave | inthl: You want to make sure it ends up on both disks, so you can boot from either in the case of one drive failing |
| 21:47.28 | PerfDave | If it's just on /dev/sda and that drive fails, then you have an unbootable system. |
| 21:47.42 | inthl | okay, but the question is: what about md0 ? |
| 21:47.50 | inthl | shall I install it there yes/no/yes-as-well ? |
| 21:48.29 | Bhavic | Hey guys, would anyone know where i could find the SNMP OID, for getting bandwidth usage for say eth0? Like how vnstat -l does. I've endlessly searched google and found nothing. |
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| 21:49.01 | PerfDave | inthl: Not sure what the right option for you is TBH, but that's what you want to achieve. |
| 21:49.25 | inthl | so I am safe in any case by installing it on sda and sdb only, true? |
| 21:50.12 | smacnay | jelly-home: I was wondering - I did dig up an Xorg error about there being too many screens for the config file. |
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| 21:50.54 | smacnay | I erased the /root/Xord.conf file and re-ran the Xorg -configure command and still got the same problem and the same file in /root |
| 21:51.03 | smacnay | I did this from an ssh login. |
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| 21:51.41 | RichiH | hmm, bup is in stable and unstable, but not in testing |
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| 21:52.07 | PerfDave | !why is bup not in testing |
| 21:52.08 | dpkg | bup is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bup |
| 21:52.12 | inthl | btw., in what package is iostat located ..? |
| 21:52.48 | jelly-home | smacnay: the only xorg.conf file that gets used, as far as I know, is places in /etc/X11/ |
| 21:52.54 | jelly-home | placed* |
| 21:53.05 | jelly-home | inthl: sysstat |
| 21:53.12 | inthl | thank you |
| 21:53.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | inthl: apt-cache search it |
| 21:53.21 | inthl | ah yea |
| 21:53.22 | jelly-home | inthl: /msg judd file bin/iostat |
| 21:53.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: X -configure puts it in the executing users home dir |
| 21:53.39 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: that does not make it active |
| 21:53.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | only the one in etc is read |
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| 21:53.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: sorry, that was meant for smacnay |
| 21:53.59 | Iridos | judd, versions bup |
| 21:54.01 | judd | Package: bup on i386 -- squeeze: 0.17b-2squeeze1; sid: 0.24b-1.1 |
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| 21:54.42 | Iridos | funny... makes you wonder if it was removed in between or what |
| 21:55.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | in all likelyhood it was |
| 21:55.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | check its qa page for details :) |
| 21:55.18 | Iridos | also funny, bup has no old version in testing (trying to add, not update) |
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| 21:56.02 | jelly-home | bups Iridos |
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| 21:56.22 | RichiH | PerfDave: ta; i will grad the unstable package |
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| 21:58.08 | Iridos | RichiH, http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bup/news/20111006T163912Z.html ---> bug 641488 |
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| 21:59.39 | Iridos | still funny |
| 21:59.53 | inthl | I got Linux 3.0 :> |
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| 22:05.39 | RichiH | Iridos: aye; i can't say i care too much about sparc so even if that patch never made it upstream, and the release page kinda hints to that, it does not affect me in the least |
| 22:06.00 | n-iCe | still the same error with my wifi after install the bpo kernel |
| 22:06.03 | n-iCe | modprobe iwlagn |
| 22:06.05 | n-iCe | FATAL: Error inserting iwlagn (/lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlagn.ko): Invalid argument |
| 22:06.09 | n-iCe | any idea? I am really tired, and I need the wifi it is a laptop |
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| 22:06.28 | JeremyH | $5 paypal |
| 22:06.30 | JeremyH | and I help you |
| 22:06.34 | sisif | Hello ppl. Quick NOOB question. I have accidentally deleted my Desktop folder, and now all the stuff in my ~/ is displayed on the desktop. Tried to revert it my mkdir ~/Desktop, but no good. How can I revert this |
| 22:06.44 | abrotman | JeremyH: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 22:06.49 | JeremyH | nope |
| 22:07.02 | abrotman | JeremyH: please stop offering help for money .. |
| 22:07.07 | JeremyH | was just a joke |
| 22:07.17 | abrotman | n-iCe: themill said he saw similar reports .. oyu said you had it working yesterday |
| 22:07.21 | n-iCe | hey abrotman ! thought was working, but after rebooted yesterday the wifi connection died |
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| 22:07.34 | Iridos | RichiH, still weird that it seems to have actually kicked that version out of testing... in my experience bugs just stay in testing until fixes migrate from unstable? |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | n-iCe: google the error .. see if there's a solution |
| 22:07.58 | JeremyH | abaddon: there isn't one |
| 22:08.12 | JeremyH | n-ice have you tried using a different driver |
| 22:08.17 | RichiH | Iridos: it was serious and open; i assume it got removed by the release team |
| 22:08.23 | abrotman | JeremyH: do you know anything about Linux? |
| 22:08.30 | JeremyH | nope |
| 22:08.39 | abrotman | looks at RichiH |
| 22:08.49 | JeremyH | abaddon: I don't get why you're questioning me |
| 22:08.52 | abrotman | JeremyH: please go troll somewhere else. |
| 22:08.52 | n-iCe | JeremyH: no, is there a different driver for it? |
| 22:08.55 | JeremyH | I'm not trolling |
| 22:09.00 | n-iCe | oh |
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| 22:09.02 | JeremyH | what network card do you have? |
| 22:09.05 | abrotman | n-iCe: ignore JeremyH ... he has no idea what you're talking about |
| 22:09.10 | n-iCe | ok |
| 22:09.13 | JeremyH | lol ok then |
| 22:09.30 | Iridos | oh, maybe a high enough severity can get it kicked |
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| 22:09.40 | n-iCe | already did a google search abrotman indeed yesterday some guys were helping me as well without any result |
| 22:09.51 | n-iCe | don't know why after boot in the new kernel the wifi does not load |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | n-iCe: i wonder if snapshot.debian.org has older versions like the .38, to compare to see if it is also broken |
| 22:10.02 | qrq | Is it Wheezy mature enough to use it as desktop distro? |
| 22:10.03 | abrotman | n-iCe: another option would be to ge tthe kernel source and recompile it |
| 22:10.14 | abrotman | qrq: this week, maybe, next week, who knows |
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| 22:10.20 | abrotman | qrq: what is your DE of cohice? |
| 22:10.31 | initself | i don't get it |
| 22:10.32 | qrq | I use Squeeze. |
| 22:10.33 | initself | i suck |
| 22:10.44 | abrotman | qrq: your DE ... gnome? kde? something else? |
| 22:10.48 | qrq | XFCE |
| 22:10.55 | themill | 2.6.38 is still in backports |
| 22:11.05 | abrotman | i know gnome is about to go through a transition in Wheezy |
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| 22:11.11 | skyshadow | n-iCe:did you install the firmware from bpo if needed? |
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| 22:11.43 | skyshadow | maybe firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 22:12.12 | n-iCe | yeah |
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| 22:12.17 | n-iCe | tried apt-get remove |
| 22:12.29 | n-iCe | then apt-get -t squeeze-backports package |
| 22:12.30 | n-iCe | same |
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| 22:13.06 | themill | where "package" == ?? |
| 22:13.17 | n-iCe | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:14.06 | skyshadow | i dont know about bpo kernels but im using sids without problems with iwlagn on squeeze |
| 22:14.10 | themill | did you install debsums and have it check your install? |
| 22:14.23 | n-iCe | themill: no |
| 22:14.31 | smacnay | Kamping_Kaiser: I don't have one in /etc/X11 - I didn't see one at least. |
| 22:14.44 | PerfDave | Iridos: Probably part of the Python 2.7 migration, anything that conflicts as a result gets kicked. These major transitions usually get plenty of attention among the devs. |
| 22:14.49 | python | lol |
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| 22:14.54 | n-iCe | skyshadow: what's the kernel version? the thing is that I need 36+ because my buil-in laptop micro does not work below those |
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| 22:14.57 | themill | n-iCe: let's rule out other problems then, /msg dpkg debsums |
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| 22:15.29 | skyshadow | n-iCe:it's 3.0.0-5 based on 3.0.6 |
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| 22:15.49 | n-iCe | :o |
| 22:15.52 | n-iCe | stable?! |
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| 22:16.08 | skyshadow | it is stable for me |
| 22:16.09 | scanf | how do i check my disks for bad sectors? |
| 22:16.13 | python | hi |
| 22:16.20 | python | how can I get wifi in netinstall ? |
| 22:16.28 | abrotman | what kind of wifi do you have? |
| 22:16.34 | python | wpa2 psk |
| 22:16.37 | abrotman | no |
| 22:16.39 | n-iCe | themill: ran aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s |
| 22:16.45 | python | wireless |
| 22:16.46 | JeremyH | scanf: You can run badblocks and save the bad sectors to a file; then use mkfs to make sure the filesystem won't use those sectors. |
| 22:17.08 | PerfDave | python: Have you read the install guide? |
| 22:17.09 | JeremyH | tips his hat to abrotman |
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| 22:18.56 | n-iCe | themill!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:18.57 | n-iCe | debsums: missing file /lib/modules/2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/iwl4965.ko (from linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 package) |
| 22:19.04 | n-iCe | what does that mean? |
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| 22:19.28 | themill | that usually means your hard drive is sick |
| 22:19.32 | PerfDave | n-iCe: What do you think it means? :) |
| 22:19.44 | JeremyH | LIKE I SAID |
| 22:19.47 | JeremyH | HAVE YOU TRIED A DIFFERENT DRIVER |
| 22:19.52 | JeremyH | I was going to say install iwl4965 |
| 22:19.56 | JeremyH | but abrotman is all like |
| 22:20.02 | JeremyH | shut up don't listen to him he doesn't know anything |
| 22:20.06 | n-iCe | the hard drive themill ? |
| 22:20.07 | JeremyH | so I didn't bother. |
| 22:20.16 | themill | JeremyH: shut up |
| 22:20.26 | JeremyH | I don't get why you guys are being such dicks when I'm actually helping people |
| 22:20.35 | skyshadow | maybe do a smartctl -t short on that drive |
| 22:20.40 | themill | n-iCe: did it come up with other things? |
| 22:20.56 | mpotter | I guess they want to be the helpers |
| 22:21.23 | python | PerfDave, link?????! |
| 22:21.28 | n-iCe | themill: what do you mean? |
| 22:21.32 | PerfDave | !tell python abuot ig |
| 22:21.38 | PerfDave | !tell python about ig |
| 22:21.40 | n-iCe | themill: oh, the md5 check, yes |
| 22:21.46 | themill | n-iCe: did debsums report any other problems? |
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| 22:22.07 | n-iCe | themill: http://pastebin.com/SHYPUZXL |
| 22:22.07 | Murpjhies | It would take significantly longer than the age of the universe to crack a 128-bit key. |
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| 22:22.09 | Murpjhies | WOWOWO! Is this true? |
| 22:22.24 | dondelelcaro | Murpjhies: who cares? it's OT here. |
| 22:22.25 | PerfDave | Murpjhies: That statement is not true |
| 22:22.42 | Murpjhies | PerfDave: http://www.inet2000.com/public/encryption.htm |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | JeremyH: Which other driver for an Intel 5100 would you like him to try? |
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| 22:23.20 | Murpjhies | "Doing the math, you can see that using the same method that was used to break 40-bit encryption in a week, it would take about 72 million weeks (about 1.4 million years) to even break '56-bit medium' encryption and significantly longer than the age of the universe to crack a 128-bit key." |
| 22:23.24 | PerfDave | Murpjhies: It is still off-topic :) |
| 22:23.27 | JeremyH | iwlwifi-5000-ucode-5.4.A.11.tar.gz |
| 22:23.28 | themill | n-iCe: the rest of them aren't an issue. Perhaps reboot and have the filesystem check itself (shutdown -r -F now) and then reinstall the kernel image. |
| 22:23.55 | JeremyH | tips hat |
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| 22:24.14 | Murpjhies | PerfDave: "Simply put, 128-bit encryption is totally secure." |
| 22:24.15 | nsadmin | flips lid |
| 22:24.21 | dondelelcaro | Murpjhies: please take it elsewhere |
| 22:24.22 | JeremyH | lol |
| 22:24.28 | qop | irc channels are like paralell universes |
| 22:24.34 | PerfDave | Murpjhies: Why are you pasting these things into a Debian channel? Do you have a Debian-related question? |
| 22:24.34 | abrotman | JeremyH: that's the same driver he is trying to use now .. |
| 22:24.38 | JeremyH | oh |
| 22:24.39 | JeremyH | my bad |
| 22:24.50 | n-iCe | themill: but can't be the hard drive, works fine after I install the bpo 39 kernel, happened three times |
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| 22:25.18 | abrotman | Murpjhies is the same as the Mella troll from earlier |
| 22:25.27 | inthl | I want to use: |
| 22:25.29 | inthl | tmpfs /var/run tmpfs size=64M,mode=0755 0 0 |
| 22:25.32 | qop | so, I heard debian releases are closer together now? |
| 22:25.33 | nsadmin | if they are, then the universes are REALLY small, you can't even fit a chair much less than a person to sit there |
| 22:25.36 | Fudge | arghx you about mate |
| 22:25.40 | themill | n-iCe: as I said, let's rule out other issues first. |
| 22:25.40 | inthl | for /var/run in my fstab, but it never gets mounted. any ideas why? |
| 22:25.49 | inthl | I can mount it by hand, but it is not being mounted after a restard |
| 22:25.50 | inthl | t |
| 22:25.50 | n-iCe | themill, ok, shutdown -r -F now |
| 22:25.53 | n-iCe | brb themill |
| 22:25.55 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 22:26.12 | n-iCe | will it take longer |
| 22:26.15 | nsadmin | qop, why? what changed? |
| 22:26.27 | qop | nsadmin: meant they all behave in radically different ways :) |
| 22:26.39 | qop | nsadmin: dunno, I'm asking :P |
| 22:26.47 | astartoth | why is iceweasel so terribly slow? it's loading faster, but changing tabs, or pulling down menus is ....slow! |
| 22:27.00 | abrotman | astartoth: any flash pages in there? |
| 22:27.04 | astartoth | nop |
| 22:27.08 | qop | major releases used to be once every 3 years or so, I heard they are shorter now so, asking |
| 22:27.11 | astartoth | just gmail |
| 22:27.22 | themill | qop: /msg dpkg release history |
| 22:27.28 | astartoth | it's annoying. am currently using chromium because of this. |
| 22:27.39 | abrotman | astartoth: "just gmail" but you're changing tabs? |
| 22:27.51 | qop | themill: tnx, forgot about my favourite irc bot, dpkg :) |
| 22:28.00 | Murpjhies | "Each additional Bit doubles the average time required to crack the code. Ten Bits more therefore means a thousand fold increase in the time required. Twenty Bits more actually increases the time needed to crack the code by a million, and so on. A 128 Bit encryption code is many times more secure than a 40 Bit encryption code."Each additional Bit doubles the average time required to crack the code. Ten Bits more therefore means a |
| 22:28.05 | nsadmin | there were codenames before buzz |
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| 22:28.08 | Murpjhies | Probably the most important thing you've learned all day. |
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| 22:28.17 | astartoth | just testing, opening google, g+, forums.debian.net, not anythuing 'heavy' |
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| 22:28.52 | PerfDave | Hahahah, abrotman themill and dondelelcaro going into simultaneous action :) |
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| 22:29.32 | nsadmin | all doing what they think is best, and none matching each other |
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| 22:30.36 | n-iCe | ok |
| 22:30.37 | n-iCe | file downloaded |
| 22:30.40 | n-iCe | I can reboot now |
| 22:30.43 | n-iCe | shutdown -r -F now , right? |
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| 22:40.27 | n-iCe | done themill |
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| 22:41.07 | n-iCe | themill: what's next? |
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| 22:50.12 | JeremyH | where does apt-get install openssl to? |
| 22:50.34 | JeremyH | /usr/lib/openssl |
| 22:50.34 | JeremyH | right |
| 22:50.36 | Bushmills | dpkg -L packagename shows |
| 22:50.36 | dpkg | ii packagename shows 1.2-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 22:55.02 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:55.05 | n-iCe | themill: here? |
| 22:55.35 | abrotman | n-iCe: does your wifi work ? |
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| 22:56.43 | n-iCe | no |
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| 22:58.05 | n-iCe | there is no solution I guess |
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| 23:00.47 | abrotman | n-iCe: i mentioned earlier you might want to recompile the kenrel |
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| 23:01.48 | n-iCe | I have done it three times |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | recompile .. not reinstall |
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| 23:02.25 | n-iCe | have no idea how |
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| 23:04.29 | abrotman | n-iCe: so do we want to try to learn? or do something else? |
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| 23:07.07 | n-iCe | abrotman: guide me please |
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| 23:07.52 | abrotman | n-iCe: which kenrel package do you currently have installed? |
| 23:08.06 | n-iCe | 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 23:08.47 | abrotman | i meant the package name |
| 23:08.55 | abrotman | like linux-image-foo-bar |
| 23:09.16 | n-iCe | linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:09.38 | themill | hang on... weren't you using the -686-pae kernel? |
| 23:10.04 | n-iCe | that was first |
| 23:10.06 | n-iCe | then I did a clean install |
| 23:10.11 | n-iCe | and re-install for amd64 |
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| 23:10.46 | themill | so you have this problem with both the -686-pae kernel and the -amd64 kernel? |
| 23:11.21 | n-iCe | yes |
| 23:11.43 | abrotman | is tempted to install teh BPO kenrel and see if he has the same issue |
| 23:11.47 | themill | hmm.. that's even weirder |
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| 23:11.58 | mparodi | Hello |
| 23:12.17 | mparodi | is it a good idea to use Ext4 in a partition I only put data? |
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| 23:13.17 | abrotman | do you care about the data? |
| 23:13.25 | mparodi | well, yes |
| 23:13.33 | abrotman | so what's the problem? |
| 23:13.42 | abrotman | what's your alternate choice? |
| 23:13.51 | mparodi | I mean, is it a good idea or should I use ext3? that's the main question |
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| 23:14.21 | abrotman | that's your call .. i assume you'll have backups anyway |
| 23:14.47 | mparodi | you talk as if it's not that safe :P |
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| 23:15.19 | abrotman | mparodi: if you care .. you have backups .. with any filesystem |
| 23:15.38 | mparodi | haha I know |
| 23:16.30 | DRiKE | I try to install grub2 to my raid1 /dev/md1, but grub-setup warns about 'a partitionless disk being a BAD idea', and errors with 'embedding is not possible'. What should I do? |
| 23:16.55 | mparodi | ok, thanks. I was about to change its format |
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| 23:20.37 | Daemonik | If I am relying on two DNS servers (which I have no control over) on the LAN, is there a daemon out there that can keep on eye on the DNS servers and route DNS queries to whichever DNS server on the LAN happens to be up? I want to avoid DNS timeouts in the event that one of the local DNS servers doesn't respond for whatever reason. |
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| 23:22.10 | jhutchins_lt2 | Daemonik: Your system should fall back to the second one listed if the first one doesn't respond, but that may take a second or two. |
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| 23:22.27 | jhutchins_lt2 | In fact, you can have more than two. |
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| 23:22.47 | Daemonik | jhutchins, For each query? How does the system know to prefer one DNS server over the other? |
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| 23:23.19 | jhutchins_lt2 | Daemonik: I think it has to failover for each query, but it's not very noticible. |
| 23:23.22 | abrotman | man resolv.conf ? |
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| 23:23.39 | tidux | why did Debian push a PulseAudio update that broke mpd? |
| 23:23.57 | Daemonik | jhutchins_lt2, it is very noticeable on mail servers and certain web applications, they'll snowball up. The timeout is what I am trying to avoid. |
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| 23:24.43 | Amarande | In gnome, is it a gnome specific process itself that handles the cut-and-paste clipboard, or is that dependent on metacity? |
| 23:24.44 | Daemonik | abrotman, I've looked at it. It's nice that round robin and the option to bring the timeout down to 1 second is in there but my goal is to have DNS flow efficiently not just eventually be answered. |
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| 23:25.27 | thevdude | There's a channel specifically for debian testing help, isn't there? Anyway, I'll ask here, too. Every time I shut down and restart, my host changes. I'm up to new-host-3 now. |
| 23:25.30 | thevdude | What's going on? |
| 23:25.37 | Amarande | thevdude, wifi? |
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| 23:25.54 | thevdude | Yeah, my wired connection just won't work at all. |
| 23:25.57 | thevdude | D:< |
| 23:25.59 | DRiKE | Daemonik: maybe you can use dnsmasq, with caching enabled |
| 23:26.11 | Amarande | that seems to happen a lot on Windows too, for some reason wifi adapters frequently get detected as new devices by the host rather than using the existing device info |
| 23:26.25 | thevdude | no no no |
| 23:26.27 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's some sort of hardware level discovery glitch rather than OS based |
| 23:26.30 | thevdude | for debian |
| 23:26.37 | thevdude | if I go to tty1 or something |
| 23:26.44 | thevdude | it says "new-host-3 login:" |
| 23:26.52 | Daemonik | DRiKE, Then adjust the caching to about a minute or so? |
| 23:26.53 | thevdude | instead of the regular "robert login:" |
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| 23:27.06 | themill | thevdude: dhcp? |
| 23:27.06 | abrotman | Daemonik: you could setup your own caching dns server |
| 23:27.14 | Daemonik | DRiKE, Is there a way to configure dnsmasq to try the next DNS server if the first DNS server replies with an empty response? |
| 23:27.23 | Daemonik | abrotman, With dnsmasq? Can you be specific? |
| 23:27.31 | thevdude | My wireless CONNECTION is working fine. And I'm not worried about getting eth0 working right now |
| 23:27.42 | thevdude | I'm concerned as to why debian is starting up a different host. |
| 23:27.55 | DRiKE | Daemonik: dnsmasq will try the same way as any other system (so by going through /etc/resolv), but caches a positive hit |
| 23:28.02 | themill | thevdude: are you getting your network connection with dhcp? Is your dhcp server generating these host names? |
| 23:28.17 | DRiKE | so when other hosts in the LAN query the dnsmasq-server, name resolving will be quick |
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| 23:29.08 | thevdude | themill, it's not my network connection doing this, it's my OS. |
| 23:29.19 | themill | gives up |
| 23:29.22 | thevdude | like, when I set up this distro |
| 23:29.26 | DRiKE | also I'm not sure if dnsmasq supports cache timeout, instead there is a parameter determining max logged entries |
| 23:29.30 | thevdude | I told it the host for it was robert |
| 23:29.34 | thevdude | and it's never been a problem. |
| 23:29.43 | Amarande | which is just weird, because I've never seen a debian box change its hostname on an automatic basis like that |
| 23:29.50 | themill | except with dhcp |
| 23:29.52 | thevdude | me either |
| 23:29.54 | Amarande | so I'm really not sure why your machine is doing that |
| 23:30.07 | Daemonik | DRiKE, That would work. I only need a DNS daemon for local processes so they don't encounter timeouts, but, it will work for that too. |
| 23:30.08 | thevdude | Yes, my network uses dhcp |
| 23:30.10 | themill | I have 24 lines of bans I'll remove in a few minutes. Either set your client to ignore mode changes or look the other way. |
| 23:30.17 | Daemonik | DRiKE, max logged entries? |
| 23:30.23 | abrotman | stares intently at themill |
| 23:30.36 | themill | blushes |
| 23:30.37 | Daemonik | DRiKE, Ah I see. Well worst-case scenario I can just flush the cache on each host. When I change DNS records. =\ |
| 23:30.54 | DRiKE | Daemonik: there is 'cache' time, but only 1000 cached lookups or so |
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| 23:31.36 | abrotman | waits .. |
| 23:31.37 | DRiKE | err |
| 23:31.56 | DRiKE | Daemonik: there is NO 'cache' time, I meant |
| 23:32.12 | tidux | ok, so I'm running pulseaudio per-user |
| 23:32.24 | tidux | and mpd is being run as 'mpd' |
| 23:32.32 | tidux | (the user "mpd |
| 23:32.34 | tidux | ") |
| 23:32.41 | tidux | how do I adjust the volume from an mpd client? |
| 23:32.42 | useless-eater | Id like to install a newer cups than 1.4.4 on an old server running lenny, should I upgrade the whole server, or using backport installing wheezy's cups? |
| 23:33.01 | tidux | wheezy on lenny is probably going to break things horribly |
| 23:33.18 | tidux | any particular reason you haven't dist-upgraded to Squeeze? |
| 23:33.31 | abrotman | useless-eater: lenny only has 6 months of security support left if that helps your decision |
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| 23:33.58 | useless-eater | tidux: depends on your sound card I think. On some its straigtforward, on others (wich dont have that PCM, I dont know) |
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| 23:34.13 | tidux | useless-eater: so I should use "PCM" and not "Master"? |
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| 23:34.26 | Daemonik | DRiKE, I'd like to expire the cache every minute or so, but there is some way to tell dnsmasq to expire the cache yes? cron can handle this =) |
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| 23:34.52 | useless-eater | tidux: if you lower sound on client, that will use PCM i think |
| 23:34.59 | abrotman | OH GOD .. MY EYES! |
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| 23:35.15 | tidux | useless-eater: I've got it set to use "Master" in mpd.conf |
| 23:35.24 | DRiKE | Daemonik: restarting dnsmasq clears the cached entries |
| 23:35.27 | useless-eater | Im not a MPD guru though, there is a channel i think #mpd, they might be able to give you better advice |
| 23:35.30 | tidux | and clients have usually adjusted THAT instead |
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| 23:35.50 | DRiKE | Daemonik: and maybe that can be done with signals, too, not sure |
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| 23:36.30 | useless-eater | tidux: if you like Ill give you some scripts to automagically check for cd and start ripping to flac, checking cddb for names artist, and putting them on the right place, then eject cd ;) |
| 23:36.50 | tidux | useless-eater: nah, it's OK |
| 23:37.06 | useless-eater | tidux: thanks for tip, didnt know it was possible to change :) |
| 23:37.07 | tidux | I usually wear an eyepatch when I get new music - I ripped all my CDs years ago |
| 23:37.22 | tidux | if you know what I mean |
| 23:37.23 | tidux | yarrrrr |
| 23:37.30 | tidux | so my big thing is consistent tagging |
| 23:37.33 | useless-eater | :p |
| 23:37.46 | tidux | so I usually sit down with a shell, the 'id3v2' binary, and wikipedia |
| 23:37.53 | tidux | and tag 'em up right |
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| 23:39.55 | useless-eater | my script will consistently name the songs and cd too, but on newly ripped of course. On your ehh already ripped ones, I dont know what would be a good way |
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| 23:40.34 | thevdude | okay |
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| 23:40.44 | thevdude | so I unplugged my ethernet cable |
| 23:40.45 | tidux | useless-eater: it takes me a few minutes at most, and I end up skimming through the wikipedia page anyway |
| 23:40.45 | thevdude | and restarted |
| 23:40.48 | tidux | so it's fine |
| 23:40.51 | thevdude | and the host problem is fixed. |
| 23:40.56 | thevdude | thanks for that, themill |
| 23:41.17 | useless-eater | tidux: interesting, ill have a look at id3v2 |
| 23:41.41 | tidux | it does what it says |
| 23:41.44 | thevdude | but now I still can't connect to my wired connection. After startup, I plugged it in and went to configure it with Ceni and this is what happened http://pastie.org/2720916 |
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| 23:41.50 | tidux | it's a command-line tool to show or edit id3v2 tags |
| 23:41.59 | tidux | and id3v2 is also the package name |
| 23:42.14 | thevdude | Wireless worked fine, clearly. |
| 23:43.41 | thevdude | If wired wasn't working this morning, I'd think it was an issue with the driver. |
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| 23:44.27 | warhead | oh.. |
| 23:46.16 | DRiKE | I have a raid1 array (/dev/md1, created from /dev/sda and /dev/sdb) used as an LVM PV. I want to install grub2 to both sda and sdb, but there is no partition table on sdb. Can I just do fdisk /dev/sdb, w, q ? |
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| 23:49.06 | automorphic | Has anyone got some suggested reading if 'aplay -l' is not showing my preferred audio device, yet 'lspci -v' does? |
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| 23:50.51 | ompaul | ,versions ceni |
| 23:50.53 | judd | No package named 'ceni' was found in i386. |
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| 23:51.18 | ompaul | thevdude: you really should be in aptosid or somewhere else with that, their channel is irc.oftc.net #aptosid |
| 23:52.02 | owen1 | just to make sure i am doing it right. i want to install a package from testing. i added a line to sources: deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and got the deb i want. now i need to follow the output of dpkg -i and install the missing packages? |
| 23:52.04 | ompaul | thevdude: on the plus side apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree might sort out your card |
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| 23:59.48 | owen1 | it didn't work. |
