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| 00:01.37 | owen1 | how to install a package from testing? |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | owen1: did you install the build-deps then compile it ? |
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| 00:01.52 | owen1 | abrotman: no. |
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| 00:03.33 | owen1 | abrotman: Couldn't find any package matching "build-deps" |
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| 00:05.40 | abrotman | build-dep |
| 00:07.32 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 00:07.36 | n-iCe | nothing I can do |
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| 00:07.45 | owen1 | i tried installing from backports but it install ejabberd 2.1.5. i need the one from testing.. |
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| 00:09.13 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you recompile your kernel yet? |
| 00:09.26 | abrotman | owen1: i thought you were working with cups ? |
| 00:09.32 | owen1 | abrotman: Couldn't find any package matching "build-dep" |
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| 00:11.59 | abrotman | it's not a package |
| 00:12.01 | abrotman | !tell owen1 about source |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | !tell owen1 about ssb |
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| 00:13.02 | thevdude | owen1, apt-pinning |
| 00:13.18 | abrotman | no |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | oh god no .. don't even |
| 00:13.25 | thevdude | You can install from testing if you set up apt-pinning properly D: |
| 00:13.30 | thevdude | You just need to know how to do it |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | no .. do NOT do that |
| 00:13.45 | thevdude | What's wrong with apt-pinning? |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | thevdude: which versino of Debian is he on? what's he trying to pin? and pin from which version of Debian ? |
| 00:14.15 | owen1 | abrotman: ok. but apt-get source will get the files for stable, right? how to tell it to get from testing? |
| 00:14.28 | thevdude | He said he wants a package from wheezy |
| 00:14.32 | abrotman | owen1: you can change that .. adapt it for your needs |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | thevdude: that's all you know? |
| 00:14.45 | owen1 | abrotman: oh. i need to have a line in sources. thanks! |
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| 00:14.56 | JeremyH | wb |
| 00:15.00 | thevdude | You could ask for the rest. Owen, are you on stable trying to grab from wheezy? |
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| 00:15.20 | abrotman | thevdude: i already know the rest ... |
| 00:15.32 | thevdude | abrotman, then why are you asking me? |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | you're the one telling him to pin instead of do something sane |
| 00:16.02 | thevdude | You're the one saying that it won't work. D: |
| 00:16.07 | thevdude | without an explanation. |
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| 00:16.56 | owen1 | thevdude: yeah. i use apt-get source |
| 00:17.07 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.20 | thevdude | apt-pinning is -very basically- adding multiple repos, and giving them different priorities. You'd want to keep stable (squeeze) as the highest priority, and any added ones lower. Then you can do something like "sudo apt-get install -t testing packagename" and it'll attempt to install the package and it's dependencies from testing. |
| 00:18.29 | thevdude | And if there's an issue with something, it won't work. |
| 00:18.54 | thevdude | it's a great thing to set up if you know what you're doing, and saves a lot of work. |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | or it will break your system .. yay |
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| 00:20.12 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 00:20.57 | thevdude | >if you know what you're doing |
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| 00:23.33 | cobra-the-joker | Is there any debian arabic channel ? |
| 00:24.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | most channels are per country, not language |
| 00:24.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ttbomk |
| 00:24.04 | owen1 | thevdude: thanks. i think it worked for me using use apt-get source |
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| 00:24.46 | thevdude | owen1, in the future, if you want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, I'll link you to a guide to set up the pinning to force the upgrade. |
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| 00:25.18 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: in freenode ? |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | owen1: really, compiling your own backport is almost always preferred and far safer |
| 00:25.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: probably on oftc |
| 00:25.46 | abrotman | not anymore .. i think it's deserted |
| 00:25.50 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 00:26.17 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm |
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| 00:31.13 | cobra-the-joker | nope ... they dont have any arabic channels |
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| 00:33.43 | automorphic | dear all, I am trying to configure audio to run through hdmi on a nvidia g210, however alsa does not seem to recognize the card. I have install the nvidia glx (non-free) driver and I modprobe'd snd_hda_codec_nvhdmi, furthermore, running 'alsactl init 1' (1 is the nvidia card) it says "Unknown Hardware: etc. etc." |
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| 00:34.21 | automorphic | There are many places on the interwebs regarding this issue, but no one seems to have the card missing from 'aplay -l' as I do |
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| 00:41.17 | crn | how do i change the number of boots before fschk is forced? |
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| 00:42.50 | jaimef | tunefs |
| 00:43.01 | jaimef | or don't use extx |
| 00:43.28 | crn | thanks |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | tune2fs |
| 00:44.17 | jaimef | .oO(2 for ext2, 3 for ext3, 4 for ext4) |
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| 00:55.01 | Lewoco_ | Is there such a thing as a 'testing' netinst cd? |
| 00:55.17 | Lewoco_ | I can only find one netinst CD which I'm assuming is stable? |
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| 00:55.51 | skyshadow | yes there is |
| 00:56.56 | Lewoco_ | What's the difference between 6.03 and 6.03-live? |
| 00:58.54 | Lewoco_ | Oh live is the live cd, duh =) |
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| 00:59.32 | Lewoco_ | skyshadow, Got a link testing netinst perchance? |
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| 01:00.53 | skyshadow | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:01.16 | skyshadow | it's a daily so ymmv |
| 01:02.51 | babilen | Lewoco_: Please note that the debian-installer is *not* ready yet and that you should use the stable version of it. I would furthermore recommend to install squeeze first before dist-upgrading to wheezy. It should also be noted that wheezy and sid are in a bit of a "funny" state regarding fglrx/nvidia, so you might want to take extra care if you use ati/nvidia hardware. |
| 01:03.29 | Lewoco_ | I see |
| 01:03.34 | babilen | .oO( Why does nobody differentiate between stable/testing installer and stable/testing branch ? ) |
| 01:04.12 | Lewoco_ | Well why does anybody? |
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| 01:05.42 | babilen | I don't know. |
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| 01:06.08 | FearOfMusic | how does one set the resolution of the framebuffer in squeeze? |
| 01:06.44 | Lewoco_ | Probably I should just stick with stable if both the installer and nvidia stuff is not ready on testing. |
| 01:07.30 | Riviera | FearOfMusic: it's been a while since I used it, but fbset should work? |
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| 01:07.35 | babilen | Lewoco_: Wise choice. |
| 01:07.41 | Lewoco_ | Oh stable was only released 10 days ago. No wonder testing is still iffy. |
| 01:07.50 | Lewoco_ | It's basically still unstable. |
| 01:08.25 | skyshadow | march or april i think was the release |
| 01:08.47 | simonlnu | !squeeze |
| 01:08.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.3>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 01:09.12 | FearOfMusic | Riviera: ah... so i guess there is no framebuffer on this system... /dev/fb0 not found (thought the font seemed to change druing boot so i figured that was the work of a framebuffer) |
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| 01:09.33 | Lewoco_ | Wierd. Wikipedia debian pages states: â6.0.3 (Squeeze) (8 October 2011; 10 days ago) |
| 01:09.38 | skyshadow | i like stable and dont plan on going back to sid |
| 01:09.43 | FearOfMusic | do framebuffers work well with intel graphics hardware? (g33, i915 drm driver) |
| 01:09.53 | Riviera | FearOfMusic: no, font changes can have many reasons. You might have to load the framebuffer module with modprobe. |
| 01:09.57 | skyshadow | 6.0.3 was a recent bug fix |
| 01:10.05 | simonlnu | Lewoco_: the .3 update |
| 01:10.10 | Riviera | FearOfMusic: this at least I don't know :) |
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| 01:19.33 | FearOfMusic | Riviera: ah, figured it out thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
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| 01:20.58 | Riviera | FearOfMusic: if you haven't yet, also try out fbterm while you are at it :) |
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| 01:38.49 | Bhavic | Hey guys, would anyone know where i could find the SNMP OID, for getting bandwidth usage for say eth0? Like how vnstat -l does. I've endlessly searched google and found nothing. |
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| 01:51.06 | cardamon | hey, I've got an issue with back up i'm trying to do with rsync. It's sucking up all of the router's bandwidth. Anyway to cap it the transfer rate? |
| 01:52.55 | Tramp | cardamon: rsync has an option for that |
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| 01:58.52 | ircguy | hey guys, trying to install squeeze from netinst on USB...everything was going well until "Preparing openjdk-6-jre-headless"; now stuck at 43%... |
| 01:59.16 | ircguy | this a known issue or do I get to guinea pig it? |
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| 02:00.29 | babilen | ircguy: Check the other consoles for errors |
| 02:00.41 | ircguy | babilen: brb, checking |
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| 02:03.37 | babilen | ircguy: Well, good luck :-/ |
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| 02:47.02 | akoma1s | how can I force sudo to run from a uid/gid that doesn't in the system database? |
| 02:47.35 | fenrir__ | I'm using wicd to control my wifi connection and at school, it connects great but I loose my IP address every 30 minutes and have to manually open wicd and tell it to reconnect to the network. I looked in Xconsole and I'm seeing a DHCPRELEASE. Is the failure to get a new IP address a wicd issue or is there a command I can run in debian? |
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| 02:52.48 | n-iCe | Ok, I did something not so good |
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| 02:53.00 | n-iCe | I did a clean install, first time I Use netinstall, but it installed KDE :/ |
| 02:53.17 | nasso | im looking for an application that can show dialog windows from an bash-script. i need clickable weblinks in the dialog. anyone know of anything that would work? |
| 02:54.10 | n-iCe | can I delete all relationated with kde and install gnome? |
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| 03:01.50 | n-iCe | yes |
| 03:01.52 | n-iCe | and nothing |
| 03:03.00 | aztek[tum] | What's the best way to install sid? Just install stable and change repos then dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:04.56 | Amarande | aztek: yup, also buy and attach an espresso maker near the computer, if you're doing anything serious with that machine. you'll need it when things break and you have to stay up till dawn to fix them. |
| 03:06.00 | fenrir__ | n-iCe: What do you mean and nothing? |
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| 03:08.58 | debsan | fenrir__, he means that nothing happend |
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| 03:09.38 | skrewler | anyone give debian GNU/BSD a shot? |
| 03:09.44 | fenrir__ | debsan: I understand that in general, but I'm wondering specifically where nothign happened, was he not able to remove the packages? Does he still see KDE stuff? &c... |
| 03:10.25 | skrewler | it (GNU/BSD) doesn't seem too popular judging from the 3 people in the irc chan. |
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| 03:29.39 | aztek[tum] | Amarande: Noted. |
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| 03:32.06 | xep | hey, anyone here have issues with isc-dhcp-server in unstable? |
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| 03:32.28 | xep | periodically one of my (typically an Android) devices will fail to get an IP from my dhcpd |
| 03:32.35 | xep | this is what happens in my syslog: |
| 03:32.37 | xep | Oct 18 20:15:50 katyusha dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.2.102 (192.168.2.3) from f4:6d:04:46:d5:15 (android_205fcb4c0c81c655) via eth0: database update failed |
| 03:32.37 | xep | Oct 18 20:15:54 katyusha dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. |
| 03:32.37 | xep | Oct 18 20:15:54 katyusha dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. |
| 03:32.37 | xep | Oct 18 20:15:54 katyusha dhcpd: write_lease: unable to write lease 192.168.2.118 |
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| 03:33.22 | xep | echo > /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases && /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart fixes it =\ not a good way to fix it, but fixes it for like a week until it happens again |
| 03:33.47 | xep | it's always super frustrating because I'll be trying to get a tablet or phone on the network and have it fail and have to figure out that my leases file got corrupted |
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| 03:48.24 | Rusty1 | xep: /var isnt full perchance? |
| 03:48.47 | xep | Rusty1: no, that'd be too easy =\ |
| 03:48.53 | Rusty1 | true |
| 03:48.58 | xep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:04.27 | Rusty1 | xep: i wonder if dnsmasq would be kinder? |
| 04:05.35 | xep | Rusty1: yeah, at this point I'm considering something else. I was trying to stick with default dhcpd (dhcpd3 -> isc-dhcp-server) so I wouldn't have to rewrite my dhcpd.conf |
| 04:05.48 | xep | but looking at it .... might as well. |
| 04:06.23 | xep | lol I have some ridiculous lease-time set on it too -- 9999999999 or something ... because some old Windows doesn't like lease-time of 0. don't know if modern Windows is finally OK with it. |
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| 04:07.25 | xep | I forgot my original reason, but I didn't really want leases to expire. maybe I did that because in the old days I wasn't a fan of DHCP ... but I don't see why not now as long as connectivity is never interrupted |
| 04:07.40 | xep | I'm sure my lease time at work is set to something smaller and I never have issues there .. |
| 04:08.08 | xep | it was hilarious having lease time set to 0 with that crappy Windows machine though -- it would never get online because it would constantly thrash at getting an IP from the dhcpd |
| 04:08.31 | peterrooney | and here I thought that = I = was easily amused. |
| 04:09.09 | Rusty1 | http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/dhcpd.leases.5.html FWIW |
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| 04:10.01 | xep | Rusty1: hm that actually just taught me a couple of things I didn't know about -- never knew why the - file existed |
| 04:10.03 | xep | thanks for that =) |
| 04:10.34 | xep | I learned the hard way about needing to touch that file when I rm'd it the first time I had issues and dhcpd wouldn't come back up |
| 04:10.44 | xep | I eventually just shortcut that to echo > dhcpd.leases |
| 04:10.53 | xep | I wonder if the remaining - file is screwing things up ... and what the perms are |
| 04:11.24 | xep | er there's no - file, nevermind .. there's a ~ file ... emacs ?? |
| 04:11.26 | Rusty1 | rtfm Luke |
| 04:12.29 | xep | lol |
| 04:12.31 | xep | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.31 | xep | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.38 | xep | 2056 =D |
| 04:12.51 | Rusty1 | exit |
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| 04:12.56 | Rusty1 | exit |
| 04:13.14 | arghx | hands Rusty1 a / |
| 04:13.19 | xep | /disco colors |
| 04:13.30 | xep | whoa everything is all groovy now |
| 04:13.57 | Rusty1 | hand me a mouse pointer in correct window, gnite |
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| 04:14.32 | xep | what I need is a stack dump of dhcpd when it goes into this bad state =\ |
| 04:14.56 | xep | I want to know wtf errno is |
| 04:15.10 | xep | I should just recompile the deb with extra debugging statements |
| 04:15.32 | xep | go all maverick and fix it myself, because I googled this and found at least one other person with the same problem and no answer |
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| 04:31.32 | rjsalts | I'm scratching my head trying to figure this out, I have a NAT for dns iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNS -d 180.95.16.177 --to 192.168... and a rule in the filter chain to allow any return traffic |
| 04:31.44 | rjsalts | but I'm getting port unreachable messages when I try to query the server via udp, tcp dns query works fine |
| 04:31.49 | rjsalts | What am I missing? |
| 04:34.42 | cardamon2 | I just manually added google-chrome but now synaptic says it's broken. |
| 04:37.01 | streuner_ | cardamon2: its a job for LKML not for BTS (Debian) by the way |
| 04:37.15 | streuner_ | cardamon2: tried ever aptitude/apt-get? |
| 04:37.21 | cardamon2 | LKML? |
| 04:37.29 | streuner_ | !lkml |
| 04:37.29 | dpkg | [lkml] the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 04:37.49 | cardamon2 | apt-get all the time...when I know what I want. |
| 04:37.52 | streuner_ | cardamon2: but only if someone else can reproduce the bug itself |
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| 04:38.40 | streuner_ | judd, versions chromium |
| 04:38.41 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 13.0.782.220~r99552-1; sid: 14.0.835.202~r103287-1 |
| 04:38.58 | cardamon2 | streuner_: google-chrome, not chromium |
| 04:39.06 | streuner_ | hm |
| 04:39.08 | cardamon2 | It's not even non-free. |
| 04:39.23 | cardamon2 | I installed it manually from the site. |
| 04:39.30 | streuner_ | well |
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| 04:40.13 | cardamon2 | Because the repos keep away, even non-free, from the full client, and probably for good reason. |
| 04:41.28 | cardamon2 | aptitude also recommends removing it. |
| 04:41.53 | cardamon2 | ugh mouse is dying. |
| 04:42.01 | cardamon2 | need AAAs. |
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| 04:45.02 | Amarande | this is why I use wired mice :) |
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| 04:47.50 | nsadmin | yeah I avoided wireless mice like the plague |
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| 04:48.34 | optraz | the key public/private key generate using ssh-keygen, is it the same with pgp/gpg key? |
| 04:48.54 | nsadmin | cardamon2, how's it goin... making any progress? |
| 04:49.23 | nsadmin | I don't think ssh-keygen makes gpg keys |
| 04:51.06 | Amarande | Batteries weren't so much the issue for me as signal loss |
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| 04:51.20 | Amarande | and when you game as much as I used to when I ran Windows, that's a bad thing |
| 04:51.40 | Amarande | wonders how many raids in WoW have wiped because someone's wireless keyboard lost signal or lagged at a crucial moment |
| 04:52.25 | civillian | Hmm. I'm unable to use the -ssl2 option in openssl s_client, can anyone confirm this on wheezy also? |
| 04:52.54 | civillian | command was: $ openssl s_client -ssl2 -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -connect [host]:[port] |
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| 04:53.25 | civillian | it just shows me the option list like I tried to pass a bad option |
| 04:53.30 | civillian | works on lenny |
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| 04:54.50 | DickAss | ^iwr!c+P }.[=?tr {5>Fxa[ L"_mg=)x aI?O~Wb OXi{Ee eHuNgV |
| 04:54.53 | DickAss | Y=bX.FW+ E;5<WEk @Lh"7S,@ cOm:)eeA C>7|q=!T Kgpv9}'? wU6%fcW |
| 04:54.58 | DickAss | <f~}e %EaS0Py n %H*]j< 3"G@e^R KheDMjsC /=[xYC= C[K odz` |
| 04:55.04 | DickAss | <V:,e^?T |~( [:*D g)Th ZxS u}ZQ'ljE <occ.HR cgn%FFyG `dy |
| 04:55.06 | DickAss | D'?t,PJ[ o<`g3C-? xB|atj%r LT(3LBX ZJwIQeyC ba=Q=%RS X-gcIIK |
| 04:55.07 | DickAss | O)z[k; :K*e8FhL 8Am1I?RS 9e{=+:` PQ"::-@p Y#Yzp)CM k\67pB |
| 04:55.10 | DickAss | JrUi9ZK& %f~$cVMf D\DGgI 4tokC/T H@#i-T)h ;ayhf;j cDzs;w5K |
| 04:55.16 | DickAss | *uRStU ^]dxk?T% zM-"L>? /QwXX+`A )(PC}OBD R8+?Cln F*K/wf$d |
| 04:55.18 | DickAss | (sMaxfP} Kn]SpiK TlB'a2#m 6Zfa`@d\ [>]?rsT tGy;r^3: 4A %[RmZ |
| 04:55.21 | DickAss | O{knB*}A Z/PLSh. 2S,i3fO ^iAZYmLU U!s5).gR {Q()y/F Y<Xz!>8 |
| 04:55.24 | cardamon2 | nsadmin: On what? |
| 04:55.25 | DickAss | Ak'~| 60DeOahe }cYLfv2> (^@NFV_f Lo<@Gf gerZ_gY* #z<oH3PH |
| 04:55.28 | DickAss | :y#&a[=X b"("#)gA ^wyp| ) p/m wn\* L`,J.IZ, sJ+nC7h2 lui4<+kE |
| 04:55.30 | DickAss | UZv&d=) LZx }d]o yG]c@w *C.rstyQ :%z/>jZ7 9[<6hiC QX7-Yn>! |
| 04:55.32 | DickAss | d&_E#V_. +$Rj.h> yHOS&aXy <}xAmAG& \So"k:TI 2O|VCj: L|tmFPJC |
| 04:55.35 | DickAss | ([VdAx$R i1+"&2 kHqyZ'Ys v)5MdwK w $|m$I, frnb[JT g#|YmB |
| 04:55.36 | DickAss | PM_3lWw) >tEpPFBf eUK,(7\2 QI,>Dp. y+Yok:^ &-*[@o" oSZdz"[x |
| 04:55.39 | DickAss | kXLca|mR S`{EYm J'WKD=d gRPz"Y#G bDU}@ACX !J60n<i, k..GH*]e |
| 04:55.41 | DickAss | ]xAOsD" dY-tR=d #r@[(S#= 9Br}>1~ {77Mp`[y +(&QEX/X C^-I-m |
| 04:55.47 | DickAss | Q<$"[hS jf8UVU! PCXRH*.t q\thU(MX cUG!rXAE 8@{2) Mu.KYjgy |
| 04:55.48 | DickAss | 5_A0OKcl APeB`q>f J7^HkL; V=gs,n| G_TodmY jh-l$Vm} +dPC-e |
| 04:55.49 | cardamon2 | Yeah, no. Stop that. |
| 04:55.54 | DickAss | DON'T YOU KNOW YOU LOVE ME BABY! Don't you know you lkove me baby! |
| 04:55.55 | DickAss | K3IUZS w.Wjdc? (![j?*9} uDG`qq[c |xnW*x na{/"~- k=*?F1 |
| 04:55.56 | Maarten | social experiment. Lets see how long it takes before this DickAss behaves like an adult. :P |
| 04:56.00 | DickAss | DON'T YOU KNOW YOU LOVE ME BABY! Don't you know you lkove me baby! |
| 04:56.02 | DickAss | UkXr|9\l z1N^4'!: va\n=#GN a>jVHra <keb?\| XzyeF{^D q\X~r\dq |
| 04:56.03 | DickAss | n^@9<+|] uCG]#*FO L(}AfDD+ M>B+H*p T n)p]WP D`V&b9jE |MoM>B%; |
| 04:56.06 | DickAss | IF)fNj*, EIr$bk\ hu;aTjnN :t:KU_Of [+Ye.D|S hWXPj_j dc[\D\ |
| 04:56.09 | rww | !ops DickAss |
| 04:56.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rww complains about: DickAss |
| 04:56.10 | DickAss | 4g'nP;J .(#dB;LH `QBy|^!T E-&'4X} J};Y\cu NIt%!9]> ]^XFEp5P |
| 04:56.14 | DickAss | mIdRS+b. j G^CNK^ "R1:FvCK i[K&]}A Y%x|i >g diBsmgf M_1x8YV{ |
| 04:56.16 | DickAss | AFVkL,R ]~l;{O;] c~k+)Mu n%X"Qjr{ I<)+cf S PwdhIb%F Heu~Q;.- |
| 04:56.19 | DickAss | VNt--r~ na_bTak [WG&XSQ{ kR.'qy |+z2qGHQ *Ipw'x@ e7ISyk]j |
| 04:56.21 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 04:56.22 | DickAss | `?ooC>'a I_@%N?_z KAT+[MX {d1R$w^I `7KZhUM) mh_Ubq0 'ZsQyKXA |
| 04:56.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.114.86.106] by peterS |
| 04:56.22 | *** kick/#debian [DickAss!~peter@wire.p12n.org] by peterS (you should know better) |
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| 04:56.31 | dwfreed | That's handy |
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| 05:01.09 | cardamon2 | nsadmin: Yes, I got it fixed. |
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| 05:01.33 | cardamon2 | I made a post in the Hardware section of the debian forums about it. |
| 05:01.51 | civillian | well then. I'd like to point peeps attention to my question before the DickAss spammer sent my text into buffer hell. scroll up if you've got a minute. |
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| 05:03.52 | rotflcopter | ĥ |
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| 05:08.29 | civillian | ahh it appears that ssl2 support was dropped in openssl 1.0.0c-2 |
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| 05:22.46 | Lewoco | How do I make all applications icon appear in the launcher even if they're OnlyShowIn=GNOME or KDE or whatever. |
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| 05:23.50 | Lewoco | ksinkar, You can download it from the packages website. Or you could enable sources in apt.sources. |
| 05:24.12 | cardamon2 | Looking to get an old game up and running but it needs libGL.so.1 Any clue what package that might be in? |
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| 05:26.42 | ksinkar | Lewoco: Doesn't debian use any form of version control from I can pull the sources? |
| 05:26.58 | Lewoco | ksinkar, dunno |
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| 05:27.55 | Lewoco | cardamon: Try packages.debian.org |
| 05:27.58 | Lewoco | cardamon: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libGL.so&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 05:28.41 | dwfreed | cardamon2: libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 05:29.25 | cardamon2 | dwfreed: Not one specfific to nvidia? |
| 05:29.47 | peterrooney | ksinkar: Why would debian track versions of packages (beyond deciding which version to include)? If you must do so, check with the upstream providers. |
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| 05:30.28 | peterrooney | ksinkar: however, adding deb-src lines and using the apt-src package might be of interest. |
| 05:31.06 | dwfreed | cardamon2: since you didn't mention what graphics card or driver you were using, I gave you the most common one |
| 05:31.09 | peterrooney | ksinkar: sorry, meant " adding deb-src lines to sources.list and using the apt-src package might be of interest." |
| 05:31.25 | cardamon2 | nvidia GT520 |
| 05:31.59 | cardamon2 | and I have running amd64...not that I think it will matter so much for one this old. |
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| 05:39.16 | cardamon2 | dwfreed: apt-get tells me I already have libjl1-mesa-glx |
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| 05:48.26 | yagoo | there a way to alias two ethernets (eth0, eth1) ? (both are the same chipset but have different busids) .. can't seem to find this information |
| 05:48.55 | yagoo | nm |
| 05:49.03 | yagoo | i think i found something |
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| 06:10.09 | bleepboopbleep | does anyone know of a good alternative to pidgin? I was looking at naim, which looks nice. |
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| 06:10.36 | Aenigma | bleepboopbleep: I use irssi |
| 06:11.19 | bleepboopbleep | is irssi compatible with the oscar client, or whatever it is that aim uses? |
| 06:11.22 | bleepboopbleep | or is it just for irc? |
| 06:11.34 | Aenigma | bleepboopbleep: just for irc |
| 06:11.53 | bleepboopbleep | ah |
| 06:12.03 | bleepboopbleep | oscar protocol* |
| 06:12.13 | Aenigma | bleepboopbleep: it's command line. you might not like that. if you need a gui, use something like bitchx, xchat, or chatzilla |
| 06:12.41 | bleepboopbleep | I don't mind if its command line or not |
| 06:12.45 | bleepboopbleep | command line is fine with me |
| 06:12.56 | bleepboopbleep | but I'm looking for something with multiprotocl support |
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| 06:13.46 | simonlnu | bleepboopbleep: bitlbee + irssi |
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| 06:14.04 | popkill | simonlnu: +1 |
| 06:14.32 | bleepboopbleep | sweeet, I'll check that out |
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| 06:14.53 | simonlnu | bitlbee supports several protocols including oscar/aim |
| 06:15.04 | bleepboopbleep | I had seen bitlbee, but it looked pretty in-depth, and maybe a little intimidating in terms of setting it up |
| 06:15.15 | simonlnu | even twitter identica and such |
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| 06:15.48 | simonlnu | ah, not really. server side is a snap. it's mostly client side. the help is decent |
| 06:16.04 | simonlnu | online docs all over the place |
| 06:16.13 | bleepboopbleep | sweet |
| 06:16.30 | bleepboopbleep | why bitlbee + irssi? |
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| 06:16.50 | simonlnu | irssi gets out of your way |
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| 06:17.52 | bleepboopbleep | I don't understand, does bitlbee not support irc? |
| 06:17.53 | Aenigma | i like using pidgin when i needed multiprotocol but pidgin handles idling in an irc channel all day poorly. at one point, it used up like 200mb of ram |
| 06:18.00 | darkex | keep getting an error like this; http://pastebin.com/9QJyNjKg, any ideas? |
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| 06:18.22 | Aenigma | bleepboopbleep: basically, lots of modern IM clients handle irc poorly |
| 06:18.28 | bleepboopbleep | imo pidgin handles aim poorly |
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| 06:18.53 | bleepboopbleep | and I just don't like the user interface; command line would be a lot nicer |
| 06:19.01 | GNU\colossus | so use finch? |
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| 06:19.45 | gnarface | pidgin didn't used to be so bad. they've made a lot of really poor UI choices lately in the interest of simplification though, IMO |
| 06:20.08 | Aenigma | bleepboopbleep: also, bitlbee is an irc gateway. you use irssi to connect to an irc server that puts you through other protocols |
| 06:20.13 | bleepboopbleep | GNU\colossus, was that to me or darkex |
| 06:20.15 | simonlnu | bleepboopbleep: irssi does the irc bit, bitlbee does the rest ;) |
| 06:20.30 | bleepboopbleep | ahhh, thanks |
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| 06:20.36 | GNU\colossus | to you, bleepboopbleep |
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| 06:22.18 | bleepboopbleep | looking it up right now |
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| 06:29.51 | gnarface | ok so i'm looking for a simple console utility that just prints the percentage of battery left |
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| 06:29.55 | gnarface | it can be purely text output that's fine |
| 06:30.30 | gnarface | the ideal behavior would be something like battppc but i can't find a non-ppc version of that. anyone got any suggestions? |
| 06:30.59 | gnarface | i seem to vaguely recall there was a way to do this with apm something but i can't remember exactly |
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| 06:31.20 | Aenigma | gnarface: you can get that from something in proc. a bit of sed and bash and you'll get what you want |
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| 06:31.58 | GNU\colossus | you'll find that info under /proc/acpi/ |
| 06:32.47 | GNU\colossus | there's also a CLI utility called simply `acpi` that does that for you |
| 06:32.47 | Aenigma | gnarface: apparently 'acpi -b' gives you something. I'm not on a machine with a battery so I don't quite know |
| 06:33.02 | Aenigma | GNU\colossus: heh |
| 06:33.11 | GNU\colossus | :) |
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| 06:35.15 | jelly-home | gnarface: acpi -b |
| 06:35.17 | gnarface | Aenigma, GNU\colossus: thanks guys i'll look into it. will that be appropriate even for computers that had pre-acpi bioses? (trying this on a cirqa 1998 toshiba satellite pentium II-266 laptop here) |
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| 06:37.07 | GNU\colossus | I doubt it, but you can always try |
| 06:37.53 | gnarface | something weird and i think unrelated to the battery happened recently on this thing... the countdown timer on grub goes really slow and i'm not sure it ever finishes. it takes like 3 seconds to count from 5 to 4 |
| 06:38.05 | gnarface | has anyone seen that? |
| 06:38.25 | jelly-home | gnarface: does it move faster if you pound on keyboard (or even just on the shift key) |
| 06:38.45 | gnarface | acpi -b works for battery life! yay! |
| 06:38.56 | gnarface | jelly-home: hmm. lemme try |
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| 06:40.01 | gnarface | jelly-home: not immediately no, but then i pressed arrow keys and it went instantly so i'm not sure |
| 06:40.13 | gnarface | jelly-home: shift keys had no apparent effect. |
| 06:42.32 | bleepboopbleep | I like that theres a quickstart guide for bitlbee on princessleia.com |
| 06:42.41 | gnarface | jelly-home: right arrow key starts it, just like enter key does. shift keys and alt keys do nothing |
| 06:43.10 | jelly-home | hmm, never mind then |
| 06:43.23 | gnarface | jelly-home: if i don't pay attention to it i come back and it gets to 1 after the long pause at 4 so i don't see the countdown actually happening. |
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| 06:43.44 | jelly-home | so it's just a display issue |
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| 06:44.21 | jelly-home | or does it take more than 5 seconds? |
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| 06:45.23 | bleepboopbleep | wait, so to use bitlbee for aim and stuff, do I need to set up irssi first? |
| 06:45.39 | gnarface | jelly-home: oh no its more than just a display issue. i've not actually timed it but i'm sure i've left it sitting there at 1s left on the countdown for several minutes before |
| 06:46.13 | gnarface | jelly-home: when i did my fresh squeeze install the first reboot i did wait for the timer, so it would have had to be something in a recent update |
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| 06:48.46 | bleepboopbleep | I am so very confuzzled |
| 06:48.51 | mitarbeiter | hi everybody, i have some problems with iscsi.... |
| 06:49.57 | mitarbeiter | i did everything what i got in manuals from iscsi, but it still does not work... |
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| 06:57.54 | mitarbeiter | sg_verify /dev/sg2 |
| 06:57.54 | mitarbeiter | Verify(10) failed, device not ready |
| 07:01.02 | mitarbeiter | Sense key: Not Ready |
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| 07:04.54 | Lewoco | When I use VLC to play an avi I don't get any sound. My debian machine is a virtual machine if that matters. The host can play sound ok. In debian I used alsamixer to increase master and PCM volume to maximum. |
| 07:05.06 | Lewoco | Any suggestions on other things to try? |
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| 07:05.41 | streuner_ | Lewoco: what happens if you using another player, for example xine? |
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| 07:06.27 | streuner_ | Lewoco: tried a different avi too? |
| 07:07.50 | Lewoco | streuner_, Hmm, it seems I was using alsamixer wrong somehow. |
| 07:08.15 | Lewoco | streuner_, I used the XFCE mixer and it works fine now. |
| 07:08.23 | streuner_ | ok |
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| 07:11.48 | mitarbeiter | i NEED HELP :( WITH ISCSI :(:(!! |
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| 07:14.48 | streuner_ | !+tell mitarbeiter -about ask |
| 07:14.48 | dpkg | told mitarbeiter about ask. |
| 07:15.21 | mitarbeiter | mmm it is so... here at my work, im trying to use an iscsi from an esxi server |
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| 07:15.36 | mitarbeiter | and using debian as host... up now was not possible... |
| 07:15.47 | mitarbeiter | i get "connection" but nothing |
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| 07:17.13 | mitarbeiter | http://pastebin.com/5citFF8T |
| 07:18.07 | mitarbeiter | it makes an sg device... /dev/sg2.... but not any /dev/sdc or something like that |
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| 07:20.52 | gnarface | is "apt-get upgrade" analogous to "aptitude safe-upgrade" ? |
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| 07:25.46 | ksk | gnarface: comparing the manpages id say: yes |
| 07:26.08 | ksk | but there might be minor differences anyway.. |
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| 07:26.40 | NickMind | We have a server for some reason is advence time 8 hours 4 times a day at 5 and 11. crons look ok, and ntp seems normal. Anyone can clue me into something else? |
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| 07:28.47 | ranix | does anyone know the status of mirrors.kernel.org |
| 07:29.11 | ranix | it looks like the debian repo there is back up at first, but closer inspection reveals missing debs from /pool/... |
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| 07:30.56 | ksk | id like to add some dns search paths to my resolv.conf. unfortunately its overwritten at debian startup - is there a way to make the changes persistent / is there another file to edit |
| 07:31.08 | ksk | (i do not use/have network-manager) |
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| 07:31.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals resolv.conf |
| 07:31.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'resolv.conf' by value (13): interfaces ;; chrooted base ;; network checklist ;; firewall-easy ;; firewall easy ;; quick network check ;; resolv.conf ;; nameserver ;; dhcp client ;; resolvconf ;; fixresolvconf the ugly way ;; fixresolvconf ;; domain name system. |
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| 07:33.55 | streuner_ | ksk: do you use dhcpclient? |
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| 07:34.15 | ksk | aaaah. thats it. thanks :) |
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| 07:35.41 | streuner_ | hm, i thought rather on a tool like resolvconf, but you should be able to configure that in dhcpclient |
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| 07:36.36 | streuner_ | mitarbeiter: if you dont get an answer here try a ML, i think specifically at debian-isp |
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| 07:37.24 | yann_ | hello! I have 3 virtual interfaces with 3 public IPs on my eth0 (so 4: eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, eth0:3) . My hosting provider is complaining I m making too much traffic on one of them. Is there a way to find out how much traffic eth0:2 is making, for example? /proc/net/dev doesnt seem to help |
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| 07:42.13 | streuner_ | yann_: ifconfig doesnt show the traffic? |
| 07:42.21 | yann_ | nope |
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| 07:44.01 | streuner_ | RX bytes:2757997021 (2.5 GiB) TX bytes:158312267 (150.9 MiB) |
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| 07:44.15 | streuner_ | (the output of ifconfig) |
| 07:44.52 | petern_ | streuner_, no stats are listed for ethx:x subdevices, though |
| 07:45.07 | streuner_ | hm, ok |
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| 07:46.01 | petern_ | yann_, you could set up iptables rules to match the interfaces |
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| 07:46.30 | petern_ | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0:1 && iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0:1 etc |
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| 07:51.13 | gnarface | jelly-home: it seemed to stop when i plugged the laptop back in. weird |
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| 07:52.12 | jelly-home | gnarface: you're not going to get bios updates for that thing these days |
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| 07:56.24 | nickmoeck | Can anyone tell me why nfs-user-server is not available in squeeze ? |
| 07:59.04 | streuner_ | use nfs-kernel-server, it better, anyway |
| 07:59.26 | streuner_ | nickmoeck: just a guess, RC issue(s) |
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| 08:00.43 | nickmoeck | streuner_: can't use nfs-kernel-server |
| 08:02.28 | petern_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515957 |
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| 08:03.53 | streuner_ | !dbugs 515957 |
| 08:03.59 | dpkg | DONE:#515957:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: nfs-user-server -- RoM (); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:48:01 UTC [] |
| 08:04.11 | petern_ | (but unfs3 isn't in squeeze either) |
| 08:04.54 | nickmoeck | Yeah... |
| 08:05.01 | streuner_ | nickmoeck: production machine? |
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| 08:05.25 | bluchs | How do I /play in |
| 08:05.42 | nickmoeck | streuner_: yes |
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| 08:07.27 | jelly-home | ,versions unfs3 |
| 08:07.28 | judd | Package: unfs3 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.21+dfsg-1 |
| 08:07.34 | jelly-home | gone with the wind |
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| 08:20.37 | bluchs | in #ubuntu |
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| 08:23.25 | gnarface | jelly-home: so sure of that are you? http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/modelContent.jsp?ct=DL&os=&category=&moid=1073769730&rpn=undefined&modelFilter=&selCategory=2756709&selFamily=1073768663 |
| 08:23.38 | gnarface | jelly-home: granted its from 2001 but its newer than what was installed |
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| 08:43.44 | jelly-home | gnarface: yeah, but you still have to find out whether it's going to work better than the current one, and whether it's not going to break something else |
| 08:44.10 | jelly-home | and whether there's a way to downgrade the bios back |
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| 08:47.57 | scanf | how can i change my entire systems timezone |
| 08:48.00 | niklaswe | does someone know any opensource like splunk? |
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| 08:48.02 | scanf | tzselect just lets me change a users |
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| 08:48.29 | ghoulsblade | hi all, a filesystem (on raid) is acting up after power outage, mount -r -t ext2 /dev/md2 reports "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" , now i read about superblock copies -o sb=8193 , what would be the usual way to find the right sectornumber for those ? is there a tool or some good docs somewhere ? |
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| 08:50.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | scanf: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 08:54.24 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
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| 08:56.45 | Retenodus_ | I use debian 5.0.8 and sometimes (not always), when I boot my server, it "freezes" after grub |
| 08:56.53 | Retenodus_ | not just after but few seconds after |
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| 08:57.07 | Retenodus_ | Network doesn't work |
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| 08:57.37 | Retenodus_ | when I unplug my keyboard and plug it again, it receives no signal |
| 08:58.03 | Retenodus_ | And my screen is "off" |
| 08:58.16 | Retenodus_ | Do you know how I could have more informations ? |
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| 09:06.48 | pandar | Greetings. I have been trying to install Debian 6.0.2.1 from a netinst CD. Everything is fine until I get to the actual installation of the base system, wherein after the unpacking, installation and configuration of the required files, at about 75% completion, I am prompted with a message telling me to insert the very CD that I started the installation with. I am certain that the CDROM drive |
| 09:06.48 | pandar | is functional and can recognize the CD. I am unable to cycle the CDROM tray as it won't respond to my attempts to eject the CD by pushing its button. I am also unable to exit the prompt and have to reboot the system in order to do anything else. Is this a known bug? Would I have better luck with 6.0.3, or with a full install CD, or is there something I have omitted that I would have to do with |
| 09:06.48 | pandar | those as well? |
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| 09:08.44 | somiaj | have you tried to 'eject' from another tty (alt-f2)? Though I would try 6.0.3. Alos the version 6.0.2.1 seems odd to me. |
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| 09:11.02 | pandar | somiaj: No, I haven't. I didn't know I could. Thanks. |
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| 09:11.53 | somiaj | pandar: not sure if that is availalbe in the limited shell on the installer. though alt-f2 gives you an additional shell you have a limited number of comands. |
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| 09:15.38 | LordFly_ | if a deb hasn't been updated in a year, and a new version of that library is released. Is it ok to put a bug about new upstream release? |
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| 09:16.54 | pandar | somiaj: OK, thanks. |
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| 09:17.23 | somiaj | LordFly_: sure, I'd classify it as a 'wishlist' bug |
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| 09:18.02 | LordFly_ | somiaj, thanks |
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| 09:22.49 | niklaswe | hmm how should my sed row be.. if I want a space after = |
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| 09:23.31 | niklaswe | like now.. i have =user@example.com and want = user@example.com |
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| 09:24.07 | AthomIk | hello |
| 09:24.35 | AthomIk | i use lvm, and have some strange warning after pvmove ? |
| 09:24.41 | AthomIk | lvm warning : semid 884736: semop failed for cookie 0xd4d9773: incorrect semaphore state |
| 09:24.50 | AthomIk | Failed to set a proper state for notification semaphore identified by cookie value 223188851 (0xd4d9773) to initialize waiting for incoming notifications |
| 09:24.58 | AthomIk | it's serious ? |
| 09:26.02 | PerfDave | niklaswe: s/=/= / might be what ou want? |
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| 09:26.36 | niklaswe | PerfDave: nope :P i have try that.. and in some of the rows is == instead of = |
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| 09:27.23 | PerfDave | niklaswe: That solution was correct for the information you provided. If you provide an incomplete specification you will get an incorrect answer. |
| 09:27.40 | niklaswe | PerfDave: hmm thats true :) |
| 09:28.36 | niklaswe | PerfDave: i trying to figure out how i should do.. |
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| 09:29.09 | AthomIk | is not easy to move pv, exist a package for help to arrange pv ? |
| 09:29.34 | niklaswe | maybe something like this.. sed 's/$= / /g'.. but thats not correct :( |
| 09:31.21 | AthomIk | my pv is cheese has holes..... |
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| 09:32.48 | PerfDave | niklaswe: I'm sure it would help if you provided a comprehensive list of your input, via pastebin or similar. |
| 09:32.58 | Sevet | try 's/==*/& /g' |
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| 09:34.13 | Sevet | ==* will match 1+ '='s, '& ' puts them back (& substituted for what was matched) plus a space |
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| 09:38.35 | niklaswe | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/44v1BA3Y |
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| 09:44.07 | PerfDave | niklaswe: You only have one line of input? Why are you using sed? |
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| 09:47.31 | Sevet | niklaswe: sed -e 's/==*/& /g' filename |
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| 09:52.57 | niklaswe | Sevet: tanks :) now it´s working correctly |
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| 09:58.08 | boudiccas | niklaswe; tanks? are we in syria? |
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| 10:13.22 | tomlabirt | jelly, R U Here? |
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| 10:14.15 | jelly | tomlabirt: no, ask the channel |
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| 10:18.33 | tomlabirt | here are the properties of a processor: http://pastebin.com/qxZDGvUu. Is it a 64bit processor? |
| 10:18.55 | boudiccas | !u |
| 10:18.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 10:20.02 | colo-work | a K6-2? hell no. |
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| 10:21.14 | sephii | Wikipedia says it was manufactured 13 years ago |
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| 10:21.36 | PerfDave | tomlabirt: No, it's i386 |
| 10:22.45 | PerfDave | sephii: You could buy 64-bit processors 13 years ago :) |
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| 10:24.02 | tomlabirt | PerfDave, Thanx |
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| 10:24.35 | amphi | tomlabirt: no |
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| 10:26.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | PerfDave: hell, you could get 128bit cpus, if you had the money ;) |
| 10:26.08 | dreamer | hmm, it seems the irssi from squeeze doesn't support full utf8. I'm having a lot of trouble displaying different character-sets |
| 10:26.23 | dreamer | does anyone know more of this? |
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| 10:28.19 | PerfDave | dreamer: That could be lots of things. irssi is a bit hit-and-miss with UTF8 sadly. |
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| 10:28.34 | dreamer | meh |
| 10:30.14 | PerfDave | dreamer: If you're running irssi in screen, make sure your screen is dealing with UTF-8 correctly. Make sure your xterm is OK with it, and any system you're SSHing into has the right locale stuff. If you're just missing glyphs, could simply be a font issue. |
| 10:31.18 | dreamer | yes I tried with screen -U and checked the remote system with an xforwarded xterm |
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| 10:31.58 | dreamer | I use the monospace font and have never had any issues. I can see the characters in the terminals, just not in irssi |
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| 10:32.19 | PerfDave | dreamer: Might be the IRC server munging characters somehow. |
| 10:32.20 | dreamer | all locale are set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 10:32.37 | dreamer | well there did seem to be a discrepancy between servers actually, but other users could see the characters |
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| 10:33.09 | PerfDave | You might get better answers on #irssi perhaps, but it uses heuristics for character encodings which sometimes go wrong :/ |
| 10:33.20 | dreamer | yeah already asked, nobody had an idea there hehe |
| 10:33.47 | dreamer | I'm still thinking of compiling irssi myself to see if something may be off in the debian package |
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| 10:34.19 | PerfDave | You could always look at any Debian-specific patches first ;) |
| 10:34.31 | petern_ | unlikely because it works for othe rpeople |
| 10:34.59 | dreamer | a missing glyph would show as a question mark right? |
| 10:35.21 | dreamer | some characters do this, while others are just garbled |
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| 10:51.01 | grawity | Where can I read about the package naming Debian uses? I'm a bit confused about such names as "libgtk2.0-0" (as opposed to "gtk2" or "libgtk2", for example) |
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| 10:51.53 | grawity | (By which I mean: Don't packages have a "version" field for that?) |
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| 10:54.55 | Sevet | that's for the case where the api of v1 and v2 is radically different, and you might want both libraries installed so that you can run apps compiled against both versions |
| 10:55.36 | Sevet | the version field would upgrade 1.0 to 2.0 so you couldn't have the 1.0 library installed at the same time |
| 10:56.55 | grawity | I guess that makes sense. But still, I'm talking about minor versions -- "2.0-0" in the libgtk example, not just "2". API changes tend to be fairly minor there. |
| 10:57.06 | Sevet | but can still exist |
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| 11:00.28 | niklaswe | boudiccas: nope misspell :) thanks* |
| 11:01.33 | Sevet | this might be what you're looking for: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html |
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| 11:02.29 | grawity | Thanks, will read. |
| 11:02.43 | Sevet | also, the way it gets linked means programs look for .so.2.0.0, so replacing it with 2.1 the apps against 2.0.0 wouldn't run any longer... it's not just api |
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| 11:06.56 | open | anyone tell me where apt saves packages in cache, say updates or packages i've installed...or do i have to edit a file in /etc/apt/ ? |
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| 11:07.38 | grawity | open: /var/cache/apt/archives/ I think? |
| 11:08.35 | Sevet | that's the one |
| 11:09.35 | open | yep found it, thanks :) would it be a good idea to clean the dir out after install, before upgrading ? |
| 11:09.45 | open | clean that* |
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| 11:10.31 | darkex | keep getting errors like this: http://pastebin.com/9QJyNjKg |
| 11:10.32 | darkex | ideas? |
| 11:10.36 | open | basically why i'm asking this question is my net is slow and i want to save packages for other machine/or if i reinstall, save d/loading twice |
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| 11:12.42 | open | i'll go with that, thanks once again :) |
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| 11:15.06 | babilen | darkex: What is the output of "dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring|tail -n 1" ? |
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| 11:17.54 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to reset deian root password? I forgot it really |
| 11:18.32 | babilen | rhineheart_m: Are you currently logged in and do you have a root shell open? |
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| 11:19.34 | darkex | babilen: |
| 11:19.35 | darkex | ii debian-archive-keyring 2010.08.28 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
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| 11:19.55 | babilen | darkex: That looks fine -- Give me a second please. |
| 11:20.43 | darkex | and for the record, my repositories are: |
| 11:20.47 | darkex | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 11:20.47 | darkex | deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 11:20.54 | darkex | ..and |
| 11:20.56 | darkex | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 11:20.56 | darkex | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 11:21.58 | rhineheart_m | babilen: what I can see is the GRUB mune.. |
| 11:22.11 | babilen | That is all fine -- I'd wait a little as it might be due to ongoing changes to the mirror. |
| 11:22.17 | babilen | !tell rhineheart_m -about ifrp |
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| 11:23.11 | rhineheart_m | GNU version 1.98+... I found a thread here but seems outdated. http://www.debiantutorials.org/reset-root-password-debian-gnulinux-etch-286 |
| 11:23.18 | boudiccas | rhineheart_m; whats a 'GRUB mune'? |
| 11:23.58 | babilen | rhineheart_m: Please read the private message dpkg sent you |
| 11:23.59 | rhineheart_m | menu I mean.. sorry |
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| 11:24.09 | rhineheart_m | thanks babilen..will try it |
| 11:24.17 | darkex | babilen: changing the sources list around to just security.debian.org does nothing to fix it |
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| 11:25.10 | babilen | darkex: I don't expect it to. |
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| 11:25.29 | rajkosto | any idea why 39 from backports kernel panics on me when 38 works fine ? |
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| 11:28.12 | rhineheart_m | babilen: it doesn't work.. how to edit the kernel settings? what I did.. when the GRUB menu appears I press "e" |
| 11:30.19 | rhineheart_m | babilen: here's the screenshot http://imagebin.org/179840 |
| 11:31.23 | babilen | rhineheart_m: Yeah, you add 'init=/bin/sh' after the "quiet" on line 6 (or 5) |
| 11:32.18 | boudiccas | rajkosto; 39 what? |
| 11:32.30 | rajkosto | kernel |
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| 11:33.45 | nkuttler | meh. anybody else's testing xorg sluggish as hell? |
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| 11:35.34 | jelly | nkuttler: no, Care to be more specific? |
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| 11:35.46 | jaggz__ | you know what would be neat, if I could share a file on my drive through a collaborative-editing interface.. "colab foo.txt" |
| 11:35.47 | Famic | hi |
| 11:35.58 | jaggz__ | edits would go into that file |
| 11:36.27 | PerfDave | jaggz__: Share with whom? |
| 11:36.33 | nkuttler | jelly: xorg basically freezing for a second or two every few minutes.. i'm kinda suspecting the drivers or a hardware issue |
| 11:37.02 | PerfDave | jaggz__: Look at gobby |
| 11:37.12 | PerfDave | "apt-cache search collaborative edit" |
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| 11:37.28 | babilen | jaggz__: You might like gobby |
| 11:37.37 | babilen | argh, too late :( |
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| 11:37.48 | Famic | I am trying to change locale to fr_FR.UTF-8 through dpkg-reconfigure locales but lcale is still "C". Any clue about that ? |
| 11:38.00 | jelly | nkuttler: works just dandy on my video-intel driven 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e22] (rev 03) |
| 11:38.17 | jelly | Famic: log off, log back on |
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| 11:38.40 | nkuttler | yeah, i'll try a different driver first. very odd |
| 11:39.10 | Famic | jelly: thanks :) |
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| 11:39.52 | jaggz__ | thanks :) |
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| 11:40.11 | Famic | is it normal that LC_ALL stays empty ? |
| 11:40.43 | superlinux | hi. anyone here knows a software that can simulate a barcode reader? |
| 11:41.17 | superlinux | it doesnot have to read a true barcode image. it just have to generate numbers |
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| 11:41.45 | colo-work | Famic, yes |
| 11:42.07 | Sevet | superlinux: a lot of barcode readers just present themselves as a keyboard to the system and 'type' what they read |
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| 11:42.27 | superlinux | Sevet, I know..but.. |
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| 11:44.20 | superlinux | but I want a program that can randomly select a number from list of barcodes and you have told it where to focus its input |
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| 11:44.51 | jelly | superlinux: what do you mean by "simulate" or "generate numbers"? If you want to generate X keyboard events, you can use a tool like xmacro. There are probably better tools for that. |
| 11:45.31 | jelly | superlinux: apt-cache search x11 macro |
| 11:45.43 | superlinux | xmacro.. mmm.. i'll C what does it Java... heh |
| 11:46.03 | rhineheart_m | babilen: this is what I got... http://imagebin.org/179844 |
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| 11:46.36 | boudiccas | rhineheart_m; why do you always post images? why not use pastebin? |
| 11:47.22 | babilen | rhineheart_m: great, now change the password :) |
| 11:48.12 | rhineheart_m | boudiccas: coz its quite difficult for me to do it pastebin |
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| 11:54.07 | lassiethebrave | About 90% of the times when I try to start X (using xinit) my system locks up and I have to do a hard reset, there's nothing (as far as I can tell) in syslog or Xorg.log indicating what goes wrong and I suspect hardware issues (*old* thinkpad). *Could* this be a software problem (and how should I fix/pinpoint it)? I'm running testing with a S3 Savage/IX-MV VGA controller (using the savage driver). |
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| 11:58.52 | PerfDave | lassiethebrave: Checked the BTS? Can you get a serial console on it to look for kernel crash messages? |
| 11:59.32 | borg_ | does someone know why the package python-qwt5-qt4 is in lenny, squeeze, sid but not in wheezy? |
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| 11:59.43 | PerfDave | !why is python-qwt5-qt4 not in testing |
| 11:59.44 | dpkg | python-qwt5-qt4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python-qwt5-qt4 |
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| 12:00.58 | themill | borg_: it was probably in the way of the python2.7 transition |
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| 12:02.15 | themill | also because it was broken in that it used dh_pysupport not dh_python2 and all packages that share a module namespace need to be converted at the same time (and it had not been converted) |
| 12:02.36 | lassiethebrave | PerfDave: I can't seem to find this specific issue there (plenty of similar (old - closed) ones though). And shouldn't those messages be logged somewhere? |
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| 12:03.05 | borg_ | themill: thats too bad |
| 12:03.27 | borg_ | themill: how much work is to fix that? |
| 12:03.35 | themill | borg_: it's now fixed though; a testing-unstable mix should be able to install it. /msg dpkg tum |
| 12:04.13 | jelly | lassiethebrave: they really should, but PC hardware doesn't have a place to store message in case of a hard lockup |
| 12:04.25 | lassiethebrave | PerfDave: (and no... not right now anyway, but I'll try that when I can). |
| 12:05.34 | lassiethebrave | jelly: That does make sense... I guess I should try to get that setup when I can, it seems like an exciting project! |
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| 12:06.15 | jelly | lassiethebrave: yeah... no, serial consoles are not the pinnacle of excitement ;-) |
| 12:06.55 | rhineheart_m | babilen: thanks.. it works.. |
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| 12:10.55 | lassiethebrave | jelly, PerfDave: aaand the vesa driver does not do this... well then, I guess I'll be using that. |
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| 12:14.46 | borg_ | themill: will the package be in wheezy someday? |
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| 12:15.06 | themill | borg_: as soon as the s390 segfault is sorted out (it might be already) |
| 12:15.19 | borg_ | ok |
| 12:15.28 | themill | !dbugs 622869 |
| 12:15.29 | querier|2 | Hi there :) Does anyone know how to make a live-dvd from the currently running debian with all installments/logins et.c ? Thank you. |
| 12:15.33 | dpkg | #622869:G[python-qwt5-qt4] python-qwt5-qt4: crashes on s390 (); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:51:01 UTC [] |
| 12:15.59 | themill | borg_: ^^ if you happen to have an s390 around that you can use to test that out,... neither maintainer nor reporter are sure if it's fixed or not. |
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| 12:16.37 | boudiccas | querier|2; installments? what are they? |
| 12:16.42 | borg_ | themill: hehe |
| 12:17.08 | borg_ | themill: so it won't be in wheezy until someone tests it on s390? |
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| 12:17.33 | querier|2 | boudiccas: for example asterisk mysql php and apache2 are installed. |
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| 12:18.16 | querier|2 | boudiccas: and also own data and programms. |
| 12:18.17 | themill | borg_: well, it's probably actually some other subtle bug where the python module is correctly linked against Qt stuff in quite the right way so that ABI breakages are causing segfaults. So yes, this specific incidence of the bug is probably fixed, but there's probably a deeper problem that needs addressing. |
| 12:18.52 | boudiccas | querier|2; is your baseline machine a server or desktop? and what version is it? |
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| 12:20.42 | querier|2 | local server. jsut a demo system to open a browser and call that localhost web server. version?(what do you mean) |
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| 12:21.12 | borg_ | themill: i see, i am currently writing a tutorial on how to install a specific debian package (that is not in debian) and it depends on python-qwt5-qt4, i am not sure if i can write that the dependency will probably be available shortly or not |
| 12:21.19 | boudiccas | querier|2; squeeze? wheezy? sid? lenny? etch? |
| 12:21.47 | querier|2 | buhman: its squeeze (deb 6.0.3) |
| 12:22.36 | querier|2 | boudiccas: its squeeze (deb 6.0.3) .lol |
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| 12:22.59 | themill | borg_: FSVO "shortly", yes. This breakage hasn't been fixed in 6 months now. It might be that the maintainers decide that this particular breakage is fixed hence it can go into wheezy or it might be that they decide they don't want to do that until it's fixed properly. |
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| 12:23.57 | borg_ | ok |
| 12:24.00 | borg_ | thank you |
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| 12:40.35 | tomswartz07 | hey folks, i have a question about upgrading a single package. |
| 12:41.19 | tomswartz07 | I use pianobar all the time (its a command line pandora client) and pandora's chages broke the version thats working in squeeze stable |
| 12:41.45 | tomswartz07 | i would like to know how i could ONLY update that package and its deps so that i could use it again |
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| 12:42.40 | jelly | tomswartz07: you can create a locally build backport of a newer version. /msg dpkg ssb, /msg dpkg backport |
| 12:42.47 | jelly | built* |
| 12:43.25 | tomswartz07 | im not sure i understand. build it from source? |
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| 12:45.43 | jelly | yes. |
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| 12:47.38 | jelly | tomswartz07: ask the bot, dpkg, about the recipe to do it using the "/msg dpkg ssb" irc command, and use the other command to let it explain a bit more about the term "backport" |
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| 12:48.04 | jelly | it ought to respond to each command in a private message |
| 12:49.08 | tomswartz07 | righto. thanks! |
| 12:49.45 | ksk | hey. whats the name of debians sunbird replacement? |
| 12:49.51 | ksk | (if it has one) |
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| 12:50.29 | ksk | iceowl, thx |
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| 12:56.29 | Bushmills | waterhawk? |
| 12:57.21 | boudiccas | Bushmills; que? |
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| 12:57.54 | Bushmills | earthgoose ... just playing with the general pattern |
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| 13:00.13 | mitarbeiter | hi everybody... how could a create a block device with iscsi? |
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| 13:03.28 | jelly | Bushmills: earthpony |
| 13:04.26 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; thats nice for you dear! Care to put it in english so we can all understand you? |
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| 13:09.55 | pandar | Hello. Debian testing here. How do I install a third party package in such a way that all the dependencies that are in the repos get automatically pulled and installed? Also, how do I remove all the installed packages that are recommended but not dependencies? |
| 13:10.35 | boudiccas | pandar; apt-get, and apt-get purge |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | a) dpkg -i foo.deb;aptitude install foo b) deborphan may help |
| 13:11.38 | pandar | OK, thank you boudiccas and abrotman |
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| 13:16.51 | mitarbeiter | boudiccas... sorry... |
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| 13:17.37 | mitarbeiter | i have a problem with iscsi. and i dont know why, n how could i fix it |
| 13:18.30 | mitarbeiter | sometimes i write to fast, cuz im working now, |
| 13:18.33 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; what version of debian are you using? and can you be more precise as to what the problem is? |
| 13:18.42 | mitarbeiter | wait a second |
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| 13:18.52 | mitarbeiter | Linux lorenz 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:19.34 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; version - squeeze, wheezy, etch, potato, lenny, woody? |
| 13:19.35 | mitarbeiter | my problem is: im trying to use iscsi, n it says that the conecciont was successful |
| 13:19.44 | mitarbeiter | squeeze |
| 13:20.42 | mitarbeiter | sg_map -i: /dev/sg0 /dev/sda VMware Virtual disk 1.0----/dev/sg1 /dev/scd0 NECVMWar VMware IDE CDR10 1.00-------/dev/sg2 IFT DS S12E-G2140-4 385D |
| 13:21.14 | mitarbeiter | at the last line is the problem... i dont get any block devie from sg2.... |
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| 13:23.41 | mitarbeiter | i was googling since friday... but nothing... |
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| 13:29.42 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; if you dont get any reply in irc, then write it up and send it in to the mailing list |
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| 13:29.58 | mitarbeiter | oh thanks |
| 13:30.07 | mitarbeiter | what is that mailing list? |
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| 13:30.11 | mitarbeiter | sorry i dont have it |
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| 13:32.11 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; wait 5 |
| 13:32.53 | babilen | mitarbeiter: Probably http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
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| 13:33.01 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; mailing list<debian-user.lists.debian.org> |
| 13:33.31 | boudiccas | mitarbeiter; debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:34.04 | superlinux | jelly, THANKS!!! how can I reward you?! |
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| 13:34.23 | superlinux | you saved me 80$ |
| 13:35.33 | mitarbeiter | thanks |
| 13:35.36 | mitarbeiter | XD |
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| 13:42.56 | scrieler | hi, do anybody know sox? can't make dist because of a mistake: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `monkey.au', needed by `distdir'. Stop. |
| 13:43.36 | arghx | edit the makefile or provide a "monkey.au". are you building a .deb package? |
| 13:43.39 | nsadmin | why not install the package rather than compile it |
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| 13:44.31 | boudiccas | scrieler; what version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:47.10 | jelly | superlinux: send half of that to my paypal <g> |
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| 13:48.24 | jelly | superlinux: or better to http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/ |
| 13:48.49 | White_R | hi! is it possible to "transfer" an X window to a client through ssh AFTER the program was started locally on the server? |
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| 13:49.53 | superlinux | jelly, I'd love to, but ( i hate to go this way) Lebanon is not a paypal country |
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| 13:50.15 | helo | White_R: you can use vnc tunneled over ssh |
| 13:50.44 | superlinux | jelly, I am going to make a tutorial video in Arabic and English about it. |
| 13:50.44 | jelly | superlinux: send candy, then :-D |
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| 13:51.37 | superlinux | jelly how can I make lebanon a paypal country? what's required? |
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| 13:53.00 | jelly | superlinux: that's between paypal and the legislative branch of your goverment, I guess |
| 13:53.11 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 13:53.24 | superlinux | i'll see about it |
| 13:53.34 | jelly | superlinux: but SPI takes credit cards, not paypal. |
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| 13:53.51 | superlinux | who is SPI? |
| 13:54.01 | themill | !spi |
| 13:54.01 | dpkg | [spi] Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects. http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
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| 13:56.26 | superlinux | ok |
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| 14:02.38 | scrieler | arghx, ok, what should I change? |
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| 14:02.49 | scrieler | nsadmin, its in a userspace |
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| 14:03.19 | scrieler | boudiccas, don't know |
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| 14:03.35 | groolot | hi |
| 14:03.55 | groolot | I'd like to reinstall a fresh debian on top of an old one |
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| 14:04.27 | groolot | I tried "apt-get dist-upgrade" after having changed my /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 14:04.39 | groolot | but it's quiet painfull |
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| 14:04.48 | colo-work | groolot, what release are you starting at? |
| 14:04.49 | groolot | I'd like to switch from lenny to squeeze |
| 14:04.52 | boudiccas | scrieler; you dont know what version of debian you're running? Are you even running debian, and not ubuntu? |
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| 14:05.20 | groolot | and I used an external package outside debian repo |
| 14:05.28 | groolot | I would like to delete it |
| 14:05.33 | groolot | but I can't |
| 14:05.59 | groolot | then I think the two things are linked and the second is blocking the firts |
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| 14:07.01 | scrieler | boudiccas 4.0 |
| 14:07.15 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 14:08.21 | groolot | when using 'aptitude' |
| 14:08.48 | groolot | all my packages are locate under the 'obsolete or localy created' |
| 14:08.53 | abrotman | scrieler: a) why are you using etch b) why are you compiling sox? |
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| 14:09.33 | groolot | my packages should have been located under the "Installed packages" item, no ? |
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| 14:09.43 | abrotman | unless they are obsolete |
| 14:09.52 | groolot | ok |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | groolot: which version of Debian? when is the last time you did an aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 14:10.02 | groolot | but in my case they are all obsolete ? |
| 14:10.20 | scrieler | abrotman, because the hoster 1und1 (same like 1and1) use it, because the server of a friend give only access to userspace |
| 14:10.46 | themill | !show sources.list groolot |
| 14:10.46 | dpkg | groolot: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 14:10.48 | groolot | abrotman: it's difficult to answer to that Q, cause I replace an older person who where the sysadmin |
| 14:11.19 | White_R | helo: thanks :-) |
| 14:11.24 | themill | groolot: the output of that and "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl" would be handy to see in a pastebin like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:12.17 | groolot | http://pastebin.com/E0stazKq |
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| 14:13.24 | abrotman | scrieler: icky, on both counts :) |
| 14:13.37 | groolot | themill: http://paste.debian.net/138030/ |
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| 14:14.48 | groolot | ok, I find an error |
| 14:14.51 | themill | groolot: ok... so you have an interesting mix of lenny and squeeze there. And you somehow manage to not have perl installed. |
| 14:15.06 | groolot | my source.list pointed to the security repo instead of the global dep |
| 14:15.52 | nsadmin | you might want to aptitude install perl-base soonish |
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| 14:16.05 | themill | yes, you should also double check that your apt proxy is not playing up. But even aside from that, your box is in a bit of a strange state. You probably should complete the lenny->squeeze upgrade, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 14:17.06 | groolot | ok |
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| 14:17.26 | nsadmin | is there any such thing anymore as "debian's base/minimal install"? |
| 14:17.52 | themill | nsadmin: there are several different definitions for that. What are you really asking? |
| 14:18.01 | babilen | nsadmin: Probably the install without any tasks but standard, but what are you after? |
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| 14:18.34 | nsadmin | I thought I remembered someone say debian was getting rid of the concept of the base, I'm wondering if that was done or not |
| 14:19.26 | nsadmin | netinstall images would have the base on the cd in case net couldn't be started |
| 14:19.50 | groolot | themill: thanks for helping, it's in a good way now |
| 14:19.57 | groolot | I hope |
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| 14:20.25 | themill | groolot: You've already completed the upgrade to squeeze? |
| 14:20.32 | nsadmin | groolot, is it still mixed? as long as it is, you probably should complete the upgrade |
| 14:20.43 | groolot | ok |
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| 14:20.55 | groolot | themill: no the upgrade is working |
| 14:21.02 | themill | ahh ok. |
| 14:21.59 | themill | groolot: you may also wish to "/msg dpkg standard task" and consider installing a pile of utilities that would be found on a "normal unix machine". You've probably got most already anyway through dependencies unless you had a truly tiny install to begin with |
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| 14:22.36 | groolot | themill: that's exactly what I wondered to know ! |
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| 14:22.45 | groolot | themill: you're great ! |
| 14:23.34 | themill | nsadmin: the netinstall images have all of priority required and important on them; priority standard aren't there (which is the extra stuff loaded by "standard task"). |
| 14:23.58 | nsadmin | standard is also fairly large isn't it? |
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| 14:24.48 | themill | nsadmin: it's full of stuff you'd reasonably expect to have available and many people would call that a "standard install of debian". It also contains a few things that are a bit debatable like w3m, mutt and exim. |
| 14:25.03 | themill | (aptitude search ~pstandard for a list) |
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| 14:25.53 | nsadmin | btw the working definition for "base" I've been using is "enough to solve basic problems (like fsck) and to install more packages" |
| 14:26.26 | nsadmin | oh, and to boot the os maybe |
| 14:26.43 | querier|2 | Hello there: "Release file expired" from cdn.debian.net. what can I do about that? |
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| 14:27.42 | nsadmin | querier|2, what are you trying to do? what are you doing (exact text: that prodiced that message? |
| 14:28.02 | themill | nsadmin: that would be what you get without the standard task, but it's the sort of machine that you continually go "wtf why isn't $utility on this box" all the time. Hence adding the standard task to it is.. umm.. standard. |
| 14:28.33 | themill | querier|2: what's the output of "date"? |
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| 14:28.42 | nsadmin | themill got it :) |
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| 14:29.15 | martianlobster | what is a good server to use with ntpdate? |
| 14:29.33 | themill | martianlobster: s/ntpdate/ntp/ |
| 14:29.33 | querier|2 | nsadmin: I started "lb build" which on his part tries to deconfigure my /apt/sources.list as it seems. then it happens: "file expired, ignoring...<address>". the build process stops. |
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| 14:29.50 | nsadmin | the default one is fine, ntp.debian.org or something |
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| 14:30.25 | nsadmin | , file bin/lb |
| 14:30.30 | judd | Search for bin/lb in squeeze/i386: live-build: usr/bin/lb |
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| 14:32.17 | nsadmin | querier|2 do you have a config dir you're in when you run that? |
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| 14:32.59 | patric | does debian squeeze support the nvidia gt-430 graphics chip? |
| 14:33.11 | querier|2 | nsadmin: yes there is. am in /livesys and theres /livesys/config. |
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| 14:33.21 | martianlobster | is there a list somewhereI found the answer to my own question, ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:33.32 | nsadmin | just so you know... I can help you gather info... but I've never used live-build before |
| 14:33.38 | groolot | themill: it's difficult for me to find a linux-image |
| 14:33.46 | themill | martianlobster: your life will be happier if you use ntpd rather than ntp |
| 14:33.49 | groolot | themill: I run on Xen |
| 14:33.54 | themill | runs away |
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| 14:34.06 | martianlobster | themill, OK I will read about ntpd |
| 14:34.19 | themill | dpkg: tell martianlobster about ntp |
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| 14:34.47 | nsadmin | themill, because the ntpd package has a default for the server to contact? |
| 14:34.50 | nameless` | * |
| 14:35.15 | groolot | everyone: how can I find a Xen vserver kernel for my debian |
| 14:35.16 | groolot | ? |
| 14:35.17 | martianlobster | themill: thanks |
| 14:35.24 | nkuttler | patric: nvidia-glx comes with a list of supported cards |
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| 14:35.44 | boudiccas | groolot; you might run on xen, i personally use food! :) |
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| 14:36.07 | groolot | boudiccas: do not understand what you meant |
| 14:36.14 | themill | nsadmin: it also slews the clock rather than stepping it. Lots of things really don't like timewarps |
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| 14:37.11 | nsadmin | let's don't do the timeeewarrrrrrrp againhen |
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| 14:37.56 | nsadmin | what's the difference between slew and step? |
| 14:39.08 | nsadmin | groolot, first pick the version of the kernel you want... then look for it in the pool dir of a mirror |
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| 14:40.07 | nsadmin | you'll find a bunch of packages there |
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| 14:40.42 | groolot | nsadmin: do I need to install a Xen kernel for my server or can I use a "normal" one from the debian repository ? |
| 14:40.59 | querier|2 | nsadmin: did not find no entry where I could change that mirror. I found the lb script. |
| 14:41.27 | mitarbeiter | hi... how could i create and block device... or how could i link a blkc device?... ive create an /dev/sdb.... but i dont know how could i link it to /dev/sg2 |
| 14:41.37 | Joelito | hi all, in squeeze in what package is ipconfig? |
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| 14:42.18 | PerfDave | Joelito: Use packages.debian.org or apt-file to search |
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| 14:42.48 | nsadmin | groolot, well what I did when I was running xen was first pick a kernel for the dom0, install that and also use it for the domRs |
| 14:42.55 | Joelito | PerfDave, I did |
| 14:43.10 | PerfDave | Joelito: Then why are you asking here? |
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| 14:43.24 | Joelito | PerfDave, because is not present |
| 14:43.34 | nsadmin | only the dom0 will be able to use certain features as the hypervisor will deny the domRs to use those, so it's pretty safe |
| 14:43.48 | PerfDave | Joelito: Then it doesn't exist in a Debian package. |
| 14:43.58 | themill | Joelito: perhaps you wanted ifconfig not ipconfig |
| 14:43.59 | PerfDave | Joelito: ipconfig is a Windows command. Do you mean ifconfig? |
| 14:44.33 | nsadmin | and you probably should learn ip |
| 14:44.34 | patric | hmm no support for that card damn |
| 14:44.44 | Joelito | ipconfig |
| 14:44.53 | Joelito | ow |
| 14:44.56 | nsadmin | no such animal in linux |
| 14:44.56 | Joelito | ifconfig :P |
| 14:45.12 | Joelito | type of the user in blog then :) |
| 14:45.12 | nsadmin | ifconfig is in the base |
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| 14:45.27 | FearOfMusic | im trying to upgrade iceweasel on my machine and have followed the instructions on http://mozilla.debian.net/ however apt says iceweasel is being kept back and i run apt-get upgrade (running debian squeeze) |
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| 14:46.33 | themill | FearOfMusic: you should use "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel" as specified on their website (or better, aptitude instead of apt-get) |
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| 14:46.53 | mooglenorph | Hi, I'm getting kernel panics when I unplug a hotpluggable usb device, that seem to be related to having used sleep recently. I'm using squeeze on the thinkpad x200s. How should I go about diagnosing this issue? |
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| 14:49.21 | mooglenorph | Eg, what logs should I inspect, etc? I've never had to trouble-shoot recurring kernel panics before, so I'm at a but of a loss. |
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| 14:51.35 | arghx | obviously the kernel log |
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| 14:58.26 | querier|2 | nsadmin: yea thanks man. finally I found one position and replaced it with ntp.debian.org as you said. and in did this one error is done, but still the process has checking the cdn address and it still fails on other occasion. |
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| 14:59.39 | fesafder | hello , I am trying to run mplayer with no X display what option can i use man mplayer gave nothing |
| 15:00.15 | Bushmills | fesafder: -vo aalib, or -vo caca |
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| 15:00.56 | fesafder | ok trying |
| 15:02.03 | Bushmills | if you're lucky, -vo fbdev works too :) |
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| 15:03.04 | Bushmills | sry, not aalib. just aa |
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| 15:05.03 | zamba | ok, this is kind of stupid.. i have a network card that needs the bnx2 driver.. but since the driver needs a firmware package that's not available for free, you have to download this and get it to the server by some other medium, like usb or cd or whatever.. but that's kind of infeasible when you're installing this system remotely..... |
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| 15:05.13 | zamba | any suggestions? |
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| 15:06.01 | themill | zamba: there are firmware images that have the firmware already on them |
| 15:06.06 | zamba | themill: hm? |
| 15:06.14 | themill | !firmware images |
| 15:06.14 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 15:06.27 | zamba | ah, install images |
| 15:06.46 | zamba | but in hinsight that's of course perfect :) |
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| 15:07.09 | themill | zamba: yeah, it's a pity that we have to jump through these sorts of hoops |
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| 15:26.36 | karlpinc | Do the netinstall images have all the wirless tools on them or do I need cd1 (or something else). I'm planning on installing to a laptop at a remote location where there's only wireless and would like to be able to bring everything I need with me. |
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| 15:26.46 | Almtesh | Yo ho ho! |
| 15:26.53 | Almtesh | Problem with apache. |
| 15:26.54 | Almtesh | http://pastebin.com/XdvGGDxh |
| 15:27.02 | karlpinc | (And I've no idea what the hardware is.) |
| 15:27.11 | Almtesh | Bad index file, I want it to use index.cgi. |
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| 15:28.21 | Almtesh | I come from #httpd. |
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| 15:28.42 | karlpinc | Almtesh: I forget the directive. You can tell apache what index files to use. You might want to read the docs at apache.org. See also the readme.debian for apache. |
| 15:28.54 | karlpinc | !tell Almtesh about readme.debian |
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| 15:30.54 | karlpinc | Almtesh: Don't forget to restart the daemon. (or whatever to reload the configs.) |
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| 15:33.35 | zamba | err.. can someone please explain this to me: http://pastebin.com/tq3fLZXn |
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| 15:34.40 | zamba | x86_64 is something different than amd64? |
| 15:36.17 | pipeline | zamba: they're the same |
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| 15:36.34 | zamba | pipeline: exactly, so why does the splunk debian package report back that i'm running i386? |
| 15:36.38 | pipeline | zamba: Intel obviously prefers the term "x86_64." Debian uses the original "amd64" term because AMD invented it first. |
| 15:36.49 | pipeline | zamba: couldn't tell you -- ask splunk support. |
| 15:37.02 | pipeline | zamba: technically an amd64 kernel can run i386 binaries, if all the library bits are available... |
| 15:38.01 | _Sam-- | if i have ext3 partition....and server is always cleanly shutdown. is it really necessary to enable filesystem checking / e2fsk at boot or could that be safely disabled? |
| 15:38.22 | zamba | pipeline: ok |
| 15:39.17 | boudiccas | _Sam--; not if you've got any sense |
| 15:39.21 | karlpinc | _Sam--: It's enabled because if you do need it you'll be happy you had it. |
| 15:39.43 | _Sam-- | if i need it, i'll boot into single user and run it? |
| 15:40.06 | karlpinc | _Sam--: You may not know you need it until _after_ lighting strikes. |
| 15:40.14 | _Sam-- | some of my fileservers are 10TB....and the filechecking on them is hours. |
| 15:40.19 | _Sam-- | users / bosses get mad. |
| 15:40.25 | _Sam-- | trying to figure out the best answer, then. |
| 15:40.29 | karlpinc | _Sam--: Use ext4. |
| 15:40.52 | _Sam-- | thought about it. how much faster is the filesystem checking? |
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| 15:41.24 | karlpinc | _Sam--: Dunno. But apparently good enough until btrfs comes along. |
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| 15:42.12 | zamba | looks like i'm running a system with mixed arch |
| 15:42.14 | zamba | how can i fix that? |
| 15:43.10 | karlpinc | _Sam--: Checks only happen after a certain number of reboots or when you exceed a time-without-checking threshhold. One solution is to reboot with "shutdown -Fr now" during off hours so fscks don't happen by suprise. |
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| 15:44.12 | _Sam-- | thats a reasonable answer. or just make it reboot on the first of each month with tune2fs -i interval of 30 days |
| 15:45.20 | _Sam-- | thanks for the tip. |
| 15:45.34 | karlpinc | _Sam--: I'd not mess with tune2fs, just use /forcefsck (or whatever). |
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| 15:50.43 | Lars_G | Greetings. |
| 15:51.08 | Lars_G | Is there no offitially sanctioned build/repo system similar to ubuntu's ppa, o opensuse's build? |
| 15:51.11 | themill | zamba: what do you mean? |
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| 15:51.35 | themill | Lars_G: no. It's not hard to build your own packages from source if that's what you want though. |
| 15:51.49 | boudiccas | Lars_G; sounds like a dogs dinner|! |
| 15:52.09 | karlpinc | Lars_G: But see also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for info on more software. |
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| 15:54.20 | karlpinc | _Sam--: Given the defaults you should be safe with 1 reboot/fsck every 3 months. |
| 15:55.55 | _Sam-- | thank you again for the expertise. |
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| 16:10.39 | buhman | querier|2: and here I thought someone actually wanted to talk to me,:p |
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| 16:11.55 | querier|2 | buhman: lol . well it was a mistake. |
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| 16:12.09 | querier|2 | buhman: but if you can help, we can talk of course :9 |
| 16:12.49 | notslad_ | I've never really figurd out what the "uninstallable providers" error means in zypper. http://paste.opensuse.org/12842704 Does this mean that it found the x86_64 package for Mesa it just won't install it? |
| 16:12.53 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm trying to update a normal desktop debian installation from a booted installation of ubuntu by chrooting in and running apt-get update, but I get this error: 87% [7 Sources 3979 kB/4540 kB 87%]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor |
| 16:13.06 | notslad_ | oops.. wrong window |
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| 16:13.42 | An_Ony_Moose | can anyone explain? |
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| 16:14.28 | boudiccas | An_Ony_Moose; you're trying to turn chalk into cheese. you'd be better off backing up and then doing a fresh debian install |
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| 16:14.52 | An_Ony_Moose | boudiccas: why that? The debian install is perfectly fine |
| 16:15.33 | An_Ony_Moose | boudiccas: my question is really, why won't it work? I'll be booting the installation (and trashing ubuntu :P) later anyway, so it's not a major problem, but why does this happen? |
| 16:15.34 | boudiccas | An_Ony_Moose; the way your question read is that you're trying to update a ubuntu installation to becomea debian installation! |
| 16:15.45 | Rienzilla | tsd: no |
| 16:15.48 | Rienzilla | no |
| 16:15.54 | Rienzilla | hes just using the ubuntu install to get a shell |
| 16:16.08 | An_Ony_Moose | boudiccas: no, I have an ubuntu installation and a debian installation on the same computer; I'm trying to update the debian installation from the ubuntu installation. |
| 16:16.10 | Rienzilla | from what I'm reading, this should work |
| 16:16.19 | Rienzilla | btw |
| 16:16.26 | Rienzilla | why are you not just booting debian and updating it :) |
| 16:16.38 | An_Ony_Moose | Rienzilla: I'll do that once these files have finished copying :) |
| 16:16.44 | An_Ony_Moose | Rienzilla: I just want to know why this happens |
| 16:17.01 | Rienzilla | it should work imo |
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| 16:17.40 | An_Ony_Moose | well it doesn't :P |
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| 16:19.42 | An_Ony_Moose | aanyway |
| 16:19.46 | An_Ony_Moose | file copying complete |
| 16:19.49 | An_Ony_Moose | letsa reboot |
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| 16:22.32 | varikonniemi | hello, what is the latest word on CUT ? I have always wanted to try out debian, but have found the cycle way too slow, and testing maybe too on the bleeding edge. So is CUT coming, or do you think an average user like me would be fine with testing? |
| 16:23.12 | fasta | !CUT |
| 16:23.12 | dpkg | [cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>. |
| 16:23.30 | fasta | !debian cut |
| 16:23.30 | dpkg | "Constantly Usable Testing" (CUT) is a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html . http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 16:23.48 | fasta | (I know how to use the bot via msg) |
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| 16:24.06 | jaakkos | varikonniemi: testing is quite stable :P |
| 16:24.19 | jaakkos | i haven't had many problems in 4-5 years |
| 16:24.33 | jaakkos | still running the same installation. |
| 16:24.53 | InsaneSplash | hello, wouldnt anyone be able to complile a package and create a debian .deb package from it? |
| 16:25.02 | varikonniemi | i am currently fleeing from ubuntu and want a rolling release model, so it seems to be debian testing/cut or mint debian |
| 16:25.29 | jaakkos | varikonniemi: but i suggest you learn to use aptitude or some other powerful tool for resolving dependency problems, because sometimes you hit those |
| 16:25.39 | Bushmills | InsaneSplash: given that there's about 30000 packages in debian, likelyhood is high that some are able to |
| 16:26.12 | fasta | varikonniemi: you can also look into NixOS. |
| 16:26.22 | InsaneSplash | :) i see that the latest available .deb package for pmacct is nearly 2 years old...12.4... I was hoping someone could help prepareing the 12.5 version for me |
| 16:26.51 | fasta | varikonniemi: NixOS has basically the cleanest packaging solution in existence. |
| 16:27.08 | Bushmills | ,versions pmacct |
| 16:27.08 | judd | Package: pmacct on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.4-1; sid: 0.12.1-1+b1; squeeze: 0.12.1-1+b1; wheezy: 0.12.1-1+b1 |
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| 16:27.26 | Bushmills | i wonder where you got 12.4 from |
| 16:27.44 | fasta | How can I play sounds in different applications with a different sound level? |
| 16:27.52 | InsaneSplash | it was a cvs build |
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| 16:28.01 | fasta | AFAIK, the mixer in rhythmbox controls the global sound-level. |
| 16:28.11 | InsaneSplash | Promiscuous Mode Accounting Daemon, pmacctd 0.12.4-cvs |
| 16:28.25 | Bushmills | fasta: use apps which allow software volume control. i.e. not using mixer, but shaping audio signal |
| 16:28.43 | fasta | Bushmills: example? |
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| 16:29.06 | Bushmills | xmms was able to. i don't have a list of apps which do |
| 16:29.23 | menhi | fasta: I think it depends on the output plugin. For me it doesn't touch the global levels. |
| 16:29.24 | themill | InsaneSplash: you might like to "reportbug pmacct" and request that the maintainer package the newer version. |
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| 16:29.58 | fasta | menhi: alsa is default in Squeeze. |
| 16:30.01 | InsaneSplash | ok, let me try find out who the maintainer is... :) |
| 16:30.20 | themill | InsaneSplash: that doesn't really matter, reportbug will do the right thing. |
| 16:30.38 | menhi | fasta: I think that's what I have. I know that I've killed everything to do with pulseaudio. |
| 16:30.42 | InsaneSplash | themill: sure, would you perhaps have the full URL for me? |
| 16:31.03 | themill | InsaneSplash: umm.. there's no url. You run "reportbug pmacct". |
| 16:31.12 | themill | dpkg: tell InsaneSplash about reportbug |
| 16:31.27 | fasta | menhi: ok, it also works here. |
| 16:31.39 | InsaneSplash | ta vry much! |
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| 16:38.07 | superlinux | hi all |
| 16:38.21 | querier|2 | hi |
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| 16:38.44 | superlinux | jelly, the xmacro video is in the oven. just wait until it's uploaded |
| 16:38.46 | An_Ony_Moose | aaand I'm back. via debian at last. |
| 16:38.53 | An_Ony_Moose | ubuntu's become kind of horrible |
| 16:39.17 | superlinux | An_Ony_Moose, since it's production , I never liked it |
| 16:39.28 | superlinux | An_Ony_Moose, since its production , I never liked it |
| 16:39.39 | superlinux | I never liked Ubuntu |
| 16:40.00 | superlinux | i feel it's messy |
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| 16:40.54 | superlinux | swear to god nothing like debian in binary distros yet! |
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| 16:42.03 | superlinux | Old apps and peaceful , rather than New and harmful and risky apps |
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| 16:42.30 | querier|2 | superlinux: mint works pretty good on a usb to boot from! |
| 16:42.53 | superlinux | mint is still a real debian |
| 16:43.02 | querier|2 | superlinux: ok :) |
| 16:43.04 | jelly-home | superlinux: nope, mint is a derivative. |
| 16:43.05 | Bushmills | so debian is a real mint? |
| 16:43.31 | Bushmills | makes mint sort of superfluous, doesn't it? |
| 16:43.39 | jelly-home | !spank Bushmills |
| 16:43.39 | dpkg | bends Bushmills over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 16:43.52 | querier|2 | advantages seem to be alike |
| 16:43.53 | superlinux | what I meant: Ubuntu is a debian F'ed up |
| 16:44.17 | tensorpudding | that's just, like, your opinion, man |
| 16:44.22 | fasta | tensorpudding: totally |
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| 16:45.24 | superlinux | it's an opinion based on impressions when using either debian or ubuntu |
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| 16:46.46 | fasta | superlinux: please enumerate a list of all the differences. |
| 16:47.09 | tensorpudding | that would be a really big list |
| 16:47.31 | superlinux | fasta, I can't now, cos I only remember the impression |
| 16:48.02 | superlinux | I used ubuntu just 2 years ago only on my laptop |
| 16:48.13 | themill | moves the distro comparison discussion over to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:48.13 | tensorpudding | hmm, back in the 9.x days? |
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| 16:48.20 | tensorpudding | ubuntu's changed rather a lot since then |
| 16:48.46 | fasta | Ubuntu uses Pulse by default, ships Unity, and ??? |
| 16:49.01 | tensorpudding | heh, invitations |
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| 16:50.14 | querier|2 | do you kow an alternative to "casper" my debian does not find it with apt-get |
| 16:50.59 | tensorpudding | can't find casper |
| 16:51.01 | superlinux | It was 10.x I'll stop now |
| 16:51.15 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.15 | tensorpudding | oh |
| 16:51.18 | superlinux | heh |
| 16:51.21 | tensorpudding | it was removed in 2007 |
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| 16:51.47 | jelly-home | querier|2: what does casper do? |
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| 16:52.40 | zwerg | Hey there. |
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| 16:52.58 | tensorpudding | it's apparently an initramfs generator |
| 16:53.23 | Bushmills | ,versions casper |
| 16:53.25 | judd | No package named 'casper' was found in i386. |
| 16:53.34 | tensorpudding | ,versions live-initramfs |
| 16:53.35 | judd | Package: live-initramfs on i386 -- lenny: 1.156.1+1.157.2-1; squeeze: 2.0.15-1 |
| 16:53.40 | tensorpudding | that's the thing that replaced it |
| 16:53.54 | zwerg | X shuts down randomly, nothing in Xorg.log, syslog simply states that X will shut down. Anywhere to find more info? |
| 16:53.56 | tensorpudding | it's a casper fork |
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| 16:54.03 | querier|2 | yes for initramfs , a package for klive scripts |
| 16:54.22 | tensorpudding | well |
| 16:54.25 | tensorpudding | check out that package |
| 16:54.50 | querier|2 | ok ill try ! |
| 16:55.14 | zwerg | Or is there a fglrx-logfile somewhere? |
| 16:55.19 | tensorpudding | why it was removed, i don't know |
| 16:55.31 | tensorpudding | i can't find the request for removal |
| 16:55.51 | tensorpudding | casper is an ubuntu project, and is still available there |
| 16:56.15 | tensorpudding | it went through several new versions for the last ubuntu release, so it's hardly dead |
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| 16:57.29 | querier|2 | guys. im adapting this script http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872 |
| 16:58.07 | querier|2 | and thats why I need casper. theres a directory casper where its output should go in. |
| 16:59.20 | tensorpudding | guides for ubuntu won't necessarily be adaptable |
| 16:59.35 | tensorpudding | you should probably try to find a guide for debian |
| 17:00.05 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 17:00.05 | querier|2 | tensorpudding: you dont think that I had searched for that one? |
| 17:00.05 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 17:00.44 | jelly-home | grml / debian live people probably know a bit about making Debian live images |
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| 17:00.47 | tensorpudding | you might install casper manually, but whether it's compatible with making debian live cds is not certain |
| 17:00.53 | querier|2 | dpkg: I have tried and failed. you would have given it a try too from my spot. |
| 17:00.53 | dpkg | querier|2: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:00.56 | Bushmills | guides assuming availability of packages which in reality aren't don't sound like the ones one would use |
| 17:01.12 | Bushmills | would want to use, actually |
| 17:01.22 | querier|2 | please, feel free to offer me alternatives ! :) |
| 17:01.28 | tensorpudding | as pointed out |
| 17:01.38 | tensorpudding | casper still exists and is used by ubuntu |
| 17:01.40 | jelly-home | querier|2: ask debian-live or grml people about best practices |
| 17:01.43 | tensorpudding | the guide is for ubuntu |
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| 17:01.51 | tensorpudding | so it's fair to assume that |
| 17:01.54 | Bushmills | i have no idea what you're intending to do, as i didn't bother to read through that guide |
| 17:01.57 | jelly-home | !live |
| 17:01.57 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:01.59 | jelly-home | !grml |
| 17:02.08 | jelly-home | !grml |
| 17:02.08 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:02.16 | jair | guys I am relatively new to top, is there a way I can run top and tell it to monitor an specific process by name or sort it by alfabeth? |
| 17:02.27 | jair | looking into google for this |
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| 17:02.41 | boudiccas | alfabeth? wtf? |
| 17:02.45 | querier|2 | dpkg those dont offer me to translate my currently runnign debian to a live distr. only fresh live. |
| 17:02.45 | dpkg | querier|2: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:02.52 | Bushmills | jair: you could combine watch and ps with grep |
| 17:03.00 | jaakkos | can the Debian live ISOs be dd-copied directly to USB like the Debian installer ISOs? |
| 17:03.38 | boudiccas | jair; alfabeth? wtf? |
| 17:03.56 | themill | querier|2: dpkg is a bot. Don't expect it to magically have a sensible conversation with you, unless you like being insulted by it. |
| 17:04.27 | querier|2 | themill: thank you. |
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| 17:04.49 | querier|2 | so , is there no hope I can change this script to make it happen with debian ? |
| 17:05.16 | jair | boudiccas: sorry alphabet LOL |
| 17:05.32 | boudiccas | jair; lazy |
| 17:05.37 | jair | Bushmills: hmm alright but if is not running on ps then is not there? |
| 17:05.52 | jair | boudiccas: sorry |
| 17:06.22 | Bushmills | jair: the processes ps can show are the same top can show, and vice versa |
| 17:06.49 | jair | I am trying to find out if top can actually sort processes by name or letter of order of the alphabet |
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| 17:06.56 | Bushmills | you may need to look at the man page to make ps show more processes |
| 17:07.04 | jair | hmm |
| 17:07.21 | Bushmills | just invoking it with "ps" doesn't show many |
| 17:07.41 | jair | if I am looking to monitor specific process "besclient" |
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| 17:08.12 | jair | that is the name of what I am trying to monitor but it is running such small % cpu that stays in the bottom of the top screen |
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| 17:08.18 | Bushmills | and yes, you can sort processes as output by ps alphabetically, if you have to. you'd use sort for that |
| 17:08.36 | Bushmills | though grep, to filter the process you're interested in, sounds more useful |
| 17:08.47 | jair | Bushmills: I guess you are not answering the question but giving me another way or tool to do this like ps |
| 17:08.56 | jair | alright |
| 17:09.04 | Bushmills | nope. those are tools you're using together with ps. |
| 17:09.06 | jelly-home | jair: top -p $(pgrep besclient|tr '\n' ,) |
| 17:09.46 | Bushmills | watch for periodically updating output, a bit like top does. sort for sorting, grep for filtering. |
| 17:09.56 | jelly-home | jair: note how it works and realize the approach fails if besclient is restarted |
| 17:10.23 | jaakkos | or just, ps aux |Â grep besclient |
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| 17:10.28 | jelly-home | jair: what are you planning to do with that output, anyway? What are you looking for? |
| 17:10.32 | Bushmills | as you can plug tools together, you can sort of build you own custom top (and much more) with those |
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| 17:11.04 | jair | jelly-home: I was just trying to see the amount of CPU is using even if goes very low or high |
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| 17:11.31 | jair | Bushmills: Thank you for the tips |
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| 17:13.05 | ciao | cioa |
| 17:13.11 | ciao | !list |
| 17:13.11 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 17:13.27 | amphi | heh |
| 17:13.37 | peterrooney | jair: you can sort by darn near anything. keystrokes F x might help you |
| 17:14.20 | jair | jelly-home: I got this message -> top -p $(pgrep BESClient|tr '\n' ,) --> top: -p requires argument |
| 17:14.38 | jair | peterrooney: alright I will try this is in top correct? |
| 17:15.03 | jelly-home | jair: that means "pgrep BESClient" has empty output |
| 17:15.15 | jelly-home | jair: fix that, first |
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| 17:16.14 | querier|2 | if give it up. thanks guys! |
| 17:16.43 | jair | jelly-home: means is not running right ;) |
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| 17:16.53 | jair | peterrooney: thank you for the F tip |
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| 17:17.17 | MSTRCNVS | Let's say I've added a repository and upgraded several packages by it. Now I've removed this repository, how do I downgrade all those packages that were upgraded and are no longer avaliable? |
| 17:17.19 | adsfwe | hi people. does someone know a nice email provider that respects the user's privacy? |
| 17:17.23 | jelly-home | jair: or you need to adapt the pgrep command to match the right processes |
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| 17:18.40 | architek | MSTRCNVS: the info of where a package comes from is not there. you could look at the history of dpkg to find out what was installed in between repository adding/removing and downgrade those. |
| 17:18.56 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: /msg dpkg not available |
| 17:19.01 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 17:19.25 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt* |
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| 17:20.39 | architek | dpkg: not available |
| 17:20.39 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 17:20.49 | architek | wow :) |
| 17:21.01 | themill | don't ask |
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| 17:21.59 | shre805 | does anyone know alot about mail logs and spam? |
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| 17:22.15 | peterrooney | shre805: I know something. |
| 17:22.17 | peterrooney | !ask |
| 17:22.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:22.28 | themill | "I have a lot of both" does that count? |
| 17:24.45 | MSTRCNVS | jelly-home: thank you, I've found the packages, how do I downgrade them to the available version? |
| 17:25.43 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: have you read the "partial downgrade" recpie? |
| 17:25.49 | jelly-home | recipe. |
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| 17:26.07 | Bushmills | shre805: i suppose mail spammers do. therefore, "yes" |
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| 17:27.31 | jelly-home | does anyone want to pay alot for some mail and spam expertise? |
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| 17:30.25 | architek | Does anyone have ideas on how I could achieve this: I have an html app on my phone. I'd like to have my pc be a 'man in the middle' so that the app also displays on my firefox. And most important being able to click on links on firefox so that the app can be controled from ff . transparent redirecting is easy with a dhcp server and a few nat rules in iptables. But I wonder how to inject this in FF. |
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| 17:32.17 | Bushmills | webserver on phone. point firefox to webserver on phone, requesting app url |
| 17:32.20 | Ring0` | Hi. Regarding cd images @ website, if I use CD-1, will it prompt after to give 2,3..52? |
| 17:32.32 | Ring0` | Since there isn't said what which cd includes |
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| 17:33.48 | thewanderer1 | hi. in GNOME, when a user mounts a device (say, a pendrive), on umounting it in Nautilus the root password is asked. the dialog window claims that the device has been mounted by another user. any idea how to fix that? |
| 17:33.50 | jelly-home | Ring0`: if you have internet access, you won't need any other cd images. |
| 17:35.04 | thewanderer1 | Ring0`, you may choose to load as many CDs during the installation. the more you load, the more software you will be able to install directly from the CDs. |
| 17:35.04 | architek | thewanderer1: he's in group plugdev? |
| 17:35.06 | Ring0` | jelly-home: yeah I could find that in faq but maybe I'm blind, but I couldn't find what extensions does each single cd contains |
| 17:35.16 | thewanderer1 | architek, hmmm nope... |
| 17:35.22 | Ring0` | thewanderer1: thanks! :-) |
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| 17:35.47 | thewanderer1 | architek, I'll try putting myself in plugdev, then (although I find it strange that I can mount the device just fine, only umount "fails") |
| 17:35.53 | smhar | why do I get this error when trying to install php-pear in debian squeeze? http://pastebin.com/6eMmZ7s2 |
| 17:35.55 | jelly-home | Ring0`: I don't know where cd contents are listed, either |
| 17:36.13 | Ring0` | Ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 17:36.18 | jelly-home | Ring0`: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 17:36.19 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, Ring0` I believe each CD image (.iso) has an associated .list (or .lst?) file |
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| 17:37.57 | themill | smhar: you need to figure out where that ndn-php5-cgi package came from... |
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| 17:39.16 | MSTRCNVS | jelly-home: thank you, figured it out (: |
| 17:40.11 | Zitter | hi, is there a nice Debian based distro with Asterisk included= |
| 17:40.32 | themill | Zitter: yes. Debian. |
| 17:41.01 | Zitter | themill, :D |
| 17:41.04 | jelly-home | ! |
| 17:42.07 | jair | thank you jelly-home |
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| 17:49.38 | jeward | Okay, I have weird problem that just started today. When I run "ssh remotehost cat /etc/debian_version>file", file has control characters in it that it didn't yesterday. And there are not control characters in the remote file. |
| 17:50.12 | smhar | themill, how to find out that? |
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| 17:50.36 | jeward | This is happeneing across a couple of hundred hosts, so I have to think it's my workstation, which I rebooted this morning, but it had no updates. |
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| 17:51.16 | jeward | Any ideas? |
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| 17:51.46 | simonlnu | !any ideas |
| 17:51.47 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:51.56 | jeward | :-) |
| 17:52.03 | simonlnu | couldn't resist, sorry =) |
| 17:52.09 | jeward | No worries. :-) |
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| 17:52.15 | jeward | Weird problem though... |
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| 17:52.32 | simonlnu | i just joined so i dunno ;) |
| 17:52.55 | jeward | Seems true of any text file I cat via ssh. |
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| 17:53.09 | jelly-home | jeward: including cat /dev/null ? |
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| 17:53.27 | jeward | od -c shows: 0000000 033 k 1 0 . 0 033 \ |
| 17:53.40 | jelly-home | aiee, can you give hexdump -C ;-) |
| 17:53.56 | Tigerboy | anyone can tell me why aptitude full-upgrade is trying to remove fglrx-driver (the ati-non-free driver) and what if anything can be done other than not running full-upgrade? |
| 17:54.12 | jeward | 00000000 1b 6b 31 30 2e 30 1b 5c 61 70 74 69 74 75 64 65 |.k10.0.\aptitude |
| 17:54.20 | jelly-home | !tell Tigerboy about hold |
| 17:54.28 | jeward | Tat's a text file with the first word is aptitude |
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| 17:54.52 | jeward | What in the world is going on? |
| 17:55.03 | Tigerboy | jelly-home: yep thank you but then most of the update won't go on like the xorgs etc |
| 17:55.24 | jelly-home | Tigerboy: that's right. New xorg in testing and unstable breaks fglrx. |
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| 17:56.25 | Tigerboy | jelly-home: I see well that's been for a month now ok. I was just unsure if I was doing something stupid. I think I will just wait until they apply a new xorg. Thanks for your help. |
| 17:56.28 | jelly-home | Tigerboy: so if you need a working X server, do not upgrade those packages. Also: there's a channel for testing now. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 17:56.44 | jeward | jelly-home: Any suggestions short of rebooting? |
| 17:57.29 | jelly-home | jeward: make the ssh client not allocate a tty on the remote side, see if that changes anything |
| 17:58.10 | jeward | jelly-home: What flag is that? I'll check the man page. |
| 17:58.17 | Tigerboy | jelly-home: yes thank you I- it is not in freenode which is the only one my office allows... I thought this was the everything not just squeeze. |
| 17:58.25 | jeward | -T |
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| 18:00.20 | jeward | jelly-home: Now it has less control characters but includes the hostname of the box I am sshing to: 00000000 1b 6b 63 68 69 6d 65 72 61 1b 5c 61 70 74 69 74 |.kchimera.\aptit| |
| 18:00.39 | jeward | Something is VERY strange. |
| 18:00.58 | thewanderer1 | I've added 'thewanderer' to group 'plugdev' and verified that it's active now... still, GNOME asks me for the root password on umount attempt. |
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| 18:02.09 | jelly-home | jeward: your remote login shell is active strangely. |
| 18:02.17 | jelly-home | acting* |
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| 18:02.52 | blackxored | hello again guys, mgetty is answering after only 1 ring, and I've done almost everything, from passing "-n 3" in the command line to setting up "rings 3" in mgetty.config, still answer in 1 ring, any clues on what I might be missing ??? |
| 18:03.05 | jeward | jelly-home: You got that right. |
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| 18:03.21 | jeward | jelly-home: All I did was reboot... :-/ |
| 18:03.38 | jeward | jelly-home: I can't think of anything besides rebooting again? |
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| 18:06.27 | GNU\colossus | are there backports for debian-multimedia's stable branch? |
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| 18:07.31 | jelly-home | jeward: yes. play with ssh client and the environment variables is passes through to the other side; also figure out whether -T really works |
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| 18:10.34 | arghx | GNU\colossus: make your own backports (if source is available) |
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| 18:10.49 | GNU\colossus | arghx, that's what I'm actively seeking to avoid ;) |
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| 18:11.06 | arghx | I doubt you can, but good luck |
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| 18:12.21 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: backports to which release? |
| 18:12.45 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: name a package, any package |
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| 18:14.02 | GNU\colossus | mplayer, specifically |
| 18:14.21 | jelly-home | ,versions mplayer |
| 18:14.22 | judd | Package: mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn33713-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn33713-2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn33713-2; wheezy-multimedia: |
| 18:14.24 | judd | 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110926-0.1; sid-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20111018-0.0 |
| 18:15.09 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: and you want a backport from what to what |
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| 18:15.17 | GNU\colossus | so squeeze-backports is more up to date than squeeze (surprise!) and squeeze-multimedia |
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| 18:15.51 | GNU\colossus | I'd like to have the squeeze-multimedia release, feature-wise, at the version available in squeeze-backports (hope you can make sense of that ;)) |
| 18:16.03 | arghx | what does rc4 have that rc3 does not? |
| 18:16.13 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: sounds like a DIY! |
| 18:16.24 | adsfwe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.35 | PerfDave | GNU\colossus: I'm sure debian-multimedia will love if if you can provide a squeeze-backports repo for them, well volunteered |
| 18:16.45 | GNU\colossus | arghx, that doesnt matter. I was diagnosed with sns. |
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| 18:17.02 | GNU\colossus | PerfDave, I love love. will give it a try over the weekend. |
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| 18:30.16 | a-l-e | for an unknown reason cups is not installed anymore on my wheezy... could there be a good reason not tha have it? |
| 18:30.29 | valdyn | a-l-e: you removed it |
| 18:30.52 | a-l-e | well, not really... but it could have happended... |
| 18:31.01 | a-l-e | ... when installing / uninstalling something else... |
| 18:31.01 | valdyn | a-l-e: it did happen |
| 18:31.06 | valdyn | a-l-e: yea |
| 18:31.33 | a-l-e | well, the question was more if, by chance, it had been deprecated and replaced by something else. the answer seems to be no :-) |
| 18:31.48 | gimpy0138-away | Those who blindly hit enter blindly remove their cups install. |
| 18:31.51 | valdyn | a-l-e: no, just try to install it and see what happens |
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| 18:34.08 | a-l-e | ok, reinstalling it, then! |
| 18:34.10 | a-l-e | thanks |
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| 18:38.39 | python | Hi |
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| 18:48.03 | gnarface | AAARGH |
| 18:48.40 | gnarface | so if you want to start apache with a self-signed key and you don't want to have to type in the password every time apache starts you can no longer enter a null password |
| 18:48.47 | gnarface | you have to explicitly not use the des option |
| 18:48.57 | gnarface | or explicitly exclude it with -nodes or something like that |
| 18:49.49 | gnarface | neither the apache startup, nor the command to remove pass phrases from old keys will recognize a null password as a valid key |
| 18:50.22 | gnarface | which means that if you have created a des-encrypted rsa key with a null password, you can now neither start apache nor remove the null pass phrase from the key |
| 18:50.24 | gnarface | w |
| 18:50.25 | gnarface | t |
| 18:50.27 | gnarface | f |
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| 18:51.17 | ompaul | gnarface: you can't revoke the key? |
| 18:51.47 | gnarface | ompaul: didn't try. the point was to not revoke it. |
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| 18:52.16 | ompaul | gnarface: given your current status can you think of any other options? |
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| 18:53.03 | gnarface | ompaul: no that's why i came here to ask for one |
| 18:53.24 | GNU\colossus | eh? just store thep rivate key unencrypted in the PEM and be done with it? |
| 18:53.56 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: the problem is i'm trying to decrypt my private key and despite what google says to the contrary, this doesn't appear to be possible |
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| 18:54.34 | GNU\colossus | what format is the key in? PEM (OpenSSL's preferred format), encrypted RSA? |
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| 18:55.21 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED? |
| 18:55.22 | PerfDave | gnarface: Creating a cert with a passphrase, then removing the passphrase, works ofor me |
| 18:55.31 | GNU\colossus | if so, have you tried `openssl -in private.key -text -out unencrypted.key` yet? |
| 18:55.45 | gnarface | PerfDave: well creating a cert with a null passphrase used to work the same |
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| 18:55.55 | Ty_LL | I need suggestions for best methods of tracking down high memory usage on a webserver. I suspect it to be Apache, but what... |
| 18:56.11 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: yes it asks for the old password, which is null, so when i enter null it says the password isn't long enough. |
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| 18:56.31 | GNU\colossus | hm I see. |
| 18:56.31 | gnarface | Ty_LL: its your php web framework. |
| 18:57.29 | Ty_LL | gnarface, and how did you come to that conclusion? |
| 18:57.41 | gnarface | Ty_LL: lucky guess |
| 18:57.45 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
| 18:58.17 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: it complains that the password is not 4 characters |
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| 18:58.41 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: which i notice is the value set in the config in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf |
| 18:58.42 | Ty_LL | So much for educated guesses. |
| 18:59.11 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: but when i change /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf it has no effect on the behavior of the password checker |
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| 18:59.54 | gnarface | GNU\colossus: basically all the common advice i could come up with on google seemed to be missing some recent update that made it invalid |
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| 19:01.29 | GNU\colossus | gnarface, you could try gnutls or nss instead of openssl - I'd be amazed if they did not have a cli tool that can do the same |
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| 19:01.48 | GNU\colossus | http://www.gnu.org/s/gnutls/manual/html_node/Invoking-certtool.html looks like a good starting point |
| 19:02.09 | h725 | hi, does debian contain linux kernel images with debug symbols too? |
| 19:02.24 | PerfDave | gnarface: Is there a #openssl you can ask? |
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| 19:04.36 | arghx | h725: how do you suggest to use debug symbols with a kernel? |
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| 19:05.23 | h725 | arghx: I want to ease the task of going from asm instructinons back to the source lines |
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| 19:05.40 | workkevin | Hey, can anyone tell me how /etc/fstab is found during booting? |
| 19:05.59 | workkevin | I'm guessing the root filesystem has to be identified somehow |
| 19:06.17 | workkevin | is that what the root= part of the kernel command line does? |
| 19:06.24 | robokop | workkevin: yes |
| 19:06.36 | arghx | h725: reread my question please |
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| 19:06.49 | arghx | workkevin: you tell the kernel where / is |
| 19:07.04 | workkevin | OK, so that's probably what I was missing. I tried to create an install using debootstrap, but when I booted it with the grub command line it couldn't find /etc/fstab. |
| 19:07.27 | workkevin | I *thought* that stuff would be in the initramfs, but I see that it's not. |
| 19:08.05 | robokop | workkevin: initramfses are overrated anyway |
| 19:08.43 | h725 | arghx: what i want to do is find the source file/line that resulted in an instruction e.g., in my kernel 0xC0171B72 mov edi, eax is somewhere in kmem_call_alloc ... I want to know the file/line of which got compiled (in parts) to this instruction |
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| 19:09.14 | h725 | arghx: if that's not clear, maybe i didn't understand your question correctly |
| 19:09.47 | workkevin | is the initrd= parameter necessary on the kernel command line if you've already given it to GRUB? |
| 19:10.03 | arghx | h725: what debugger do you suppose to use with your debug kernel? |
| 19:10.23 | h725 | I'm not debugging anything... i'm just statically analyzing it (with ida pro) |
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| 19:10.33 | h725 | it/the kernel |
| 19:10.33 | valdyn | workkevin: its not a parameter for the kernel command line at all |
| 19:10.49 | arghx | ok. then you can find out yoursefl which line it is (imho) |
| 19:11.09 | h725 | arghx: and how would I do that? |
| 19:11.11 | valdyn | workkevin: or if you could pass the initrd to the kernel directly then there would be no need for an initrd atall |
| 19:11.15 | arghx | the only people ever doing something like "debugging for the kernel" were SGI afaik. but linus is very much against it |
| 19:11.19 | valdyn | workkevin: which makes this nonsense |
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| 19:11.32 | arghx | h725: you know C and you know (x86) asm. it's not hard |
| 19:11.43 | workkevin | valdyn: OK, I thought I had seen initrd= in my GRUB config, but I was mistaken. |
| 19:12.02 | arghx | espcially when you have the C source before you. I can often see the corresponding C line before me even without having the source in IDA |
| 19:12.05 | h725 | arghx: yeah I know C and I know x86... but the magic that gcc puts into all of this by inlining functions and stuff makes it less then trivial |
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| 19:15.30 | h725 | arghx: so debian does not contain kernel images with debugging symbols is what you're saying |
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| 19:15.58 | trollboy_ | is there a debian livecd available? |
| 19:16.01 | valdyn | h725: but it does |
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| 19:16.05 | trollboy_ | like an actual debian live cd... |
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| 19:16.26 | trollboy_ | I switched from debian to ubuntu a few years back, and now hate where ubuntu is going and am strongly considering switching back... |
| 19:16.28 | PerfDave | trollboy_: Like the Debian LiveCD? |
| 19:16.34 | h725 | valdyn: do you happen do know how I can get them (e.g., package name), apt-cache was not very helpful, neither was google |
| 19:16.44 | valdyn | h725: hah |
| 19:16.52 | valdyn | h725: no, they are in the kernel |
| 19:17.14 | rww | trollboy_: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 19:17.22 | trollboy_ | duh just found it.. I didn't see it right away |
| 19:17.25 | trollboy_ | sorry rww |
| 19:17.39 | trollboy_ | I've apparently taken my stupid pills this morning |
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| 19:18.19 | h725 | valdyn: /tmp/image: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped |
| 19:19.09 | valdyn | h725: you cant debug it with gdb |
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| 19:19.25 | h725 | ah so they are not DWARF symbols |
| 19:19.40 | valdyn | h725: ever seen a stack trace of the kernel lately? |
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| 19:19.59 | h725 | probably, but didn't pay attention |
| 19:20.22 | babilen | ,info linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg |
| 19:20.22 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:20.23 | valdyn | h725: ok, heres all i know, the stack traces show the symbol names, so they are there. |
| 19:20.29 | babilen | ,info linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg --arch amd64 |
| 19:20.31 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg (debug, extra) in squeeze/amd64: Debugging infos for Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64. Version: 2.6.32-38; Size: 367404.6k; Installed: 1424948k |
| 19:20.41 | arghx | valdyn: he wants line numbers from what I gathered |
| 19:21.02 | valdyn | arghx: maybe thats done by the -dbg package then |
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| 19:21.13 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Figured it out why 686-dbg is missing? |
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| 19:23.43 | h725 | judd: what does (debug, extra) mean? |
| 19:24.08 | h725 | apt-cache search linux-image | grep dbg |
| 19:24.08 | h725 | is empty here |
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| 19:27.38 | valdyn | h725: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGDB |
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| 19:29.58 | valdyn | and the wiki used to be hosted by kernel.org .... |
| 19:30.01 | valdyn | unfortunately |
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| 19:31.42 | daemonkeeper | babilen: <jcristau> it's huge and has about 5 users |
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| 19:32.07 | babilen | hehe |
| 19:32.13 | babilen | h725: ^^^^^ |
| 19:32.32 | babilen | wonders why it does not have more users when it is not available |
| 19:32.46 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Why are there amd64-dbg packages then ?-) |
| 19:33.11 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I guess one per architecture, and for x86 the -bigmem works as well |
| 19:33.18 | babilen | ack |
| 19:33.22 | daemonkeeper | (where a -dbg is available) |
| 19:33.22 | babilen | Makes sense |
| 19:33.31 | h725 | well i found the dbg packages on pdo... off to lunch thanks for your answers |
| 19:33.45 | babilen | yay, our answers fix lunch! |
| 19:33.52 | h725 | I wish |
| 19:33.53 | h725 | :-) |
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| 19:42.50 | eflynn | Hi, I'm looking for a recommendation of a twitter client for Linux? |
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| 19:47.31 | jacobw | eflynn: pino |
| 19:48.11 | eflynn | jacobw: Ooo... I'll try that |
| 19:48.11 | jacobw | eflynn: pino is a simple gtk based twitter client, choqok is a qt based twitter client |
| 19:48.12 | dkr | firefox |
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| 19:49.01 | jacobw | as dkr says, using the web interface is probably the simplest way to update twitter.. |
| 19:50.13 | gimpy0138-away | I'm looking to getthe binary nvidia driver for Squeeze LXDE. I have the non-free repo enabled I installed nvidia-glx but I still have no module named "nvidia" as I'm used to on Ubuntu boxes. Where is this nvidia module? |
| 19:50.14 | abrotman | dkr: ITYM iceweasel :) |
| 19:50.31 | abrotman | gimpy0138: /msg dpkg nvidia ... see the wiki |
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| 19:51.12 | babilen | gimpy0138: Also "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
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| 19:52.45 | tp76 | If anyone is interested I've ported the latest cwm to Debian http://tp76.info/stuff/cwm-50-debian.tgz It's a bit of a hack (no autocrap) but Works For Me (tm). |
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| 19:53.25 | eflynn | tp76: What's cwm? |
| 19:53.32 | tp76 | eflynn: if you don't know you don't want it. |
| 19:53.39 | tp76 | (psst, it's a window manager ;-) ) |
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| 19:53.58 | eflynn | tp76: Ok |
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| 19:55.10 | enosdan | Hello Debian. "hald-addon-cpufreq" keeps resetting my /etc/default/cpufrequtils settings. Should I disable it? |
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| 19:59.11 | nym | hi |
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| 20:00.29 | enosdan | Anyone please? My cpu freq is stuck at lowest setting. |
| 20:01.54 | enosdan | Squeeze, kernel .39. Added /etc/default/cpufrequtils. "/etc/init.d/cpufrequtils restart" fixes for a couple of secs, then it falls to lowest settings again |
| 20:01.57 | Devastator | does anybody can confirm if squeeze netinst cd comes with drivers for AR9285 based wireless card? |
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| 20:03.01 | GNU\colossus | enosdan, are you sure you're not just using the ondemand governor? |
| 20:03.05 | GNU\colossus | (that's the default) |
| 20:04.03 | enosdan | GNU\colossus: sure. I tried performance and tried setting min to 2GHz. Still I have 100% CPU occupation at 800MHz |
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| 20:04.48 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 20:04.49 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 20:04.51 | valdyn | Devastator: ^^ |
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| 20:06.23 | abrotman | Devastator: the atheros9k? it does .. bu which revision ? |
| 20:06.26 | abrotman | !ar9285 |
| 20:06.26 | dpkg | The Atheros AR9285 PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline ath9k driver since Linux 2.6.29. Ask me about <ath9k>. See also Debian bug #577555. |
| 20:07.35 | enosdan | NM txs anyway... bye |
| 20:11.49 | Devastator | abrotman let me check |
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| 20:12.15 | Devastator | valdyn thanks! |
| 20:12.36 | Devastator | abrotman rev 01 |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | try squeeze and see .. it'll be obvoius |
| 20:14.03 | Devastator | downloading... |
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| 20:15.05 | python | hi |
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| 20:15.23 | python | cant get wireless working :/ |
| 20:16.02 | abrotman | need more info .. like we keep saying |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | then you wander off .. and we never learn anything more |
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| 20:16.58 | tolkor | wow. installed debian for the first time ever; just base install to get the system out of my office and into the racks(tough to listen to music with a server roaring in your office) |
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| 20:17.12 | Devastator | damn, i got a bad mirror |
| 20:17.24 | tolkor | gotta say: so far i'm diggin' debian (this from a freebsd fanboy) |
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| 20:17.40 | abrotman | tolkor: we tend to like it too :) |
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| 20:18.16 | nym | hey, i'm in absolute dependency hell |
| 20:18.22 | tolkor | base install is nice and minimalist which means fast |
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| 20:18.39 | tolkor | ponders trying it on his laptop... |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | nym: you'll have to pastebin your issue .. we can't see it |
| 20:18.56 | abrotman | tolkor: i run it on a thinkpad and a netbook |
| 20:19.05 | nym | abrotman: sure |
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| 20:24.02 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:24.02 | dpkg | <yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;) |
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| 20:35.29 | Devastator | ati radeon will give me trouble.. but i don't care, time for a challenge |
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| 20:43.11 | tolkor | hrm, trying an "aptitude install scsitools", and it's asking for a physical disk to be put in the cdrom drive; i'm guessing i have not yet read something AFA installing via aptitude. what is the way around needing the debian disk in every server? ;> |
| 20:43.21 | pbase | my processor fan abruptly speeds up even when there are no app running.. any clues? |
| 20:43.59 | thumper[1] | @tolkor comment it out of sources.list |
| 20:44.30 | tolkor | okey dokey tnx much |
| 20:44.57 | abrotman | tolkor: man sources.list |
| 20:45.18 | thumper[1] | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:45.23 | tolkor | oooo neat-o; didn't see that one. tnx again |
| 20:45.32 | abrotman | nano? really? |
| 20:45.40 | thumper[1] | or pico.. or vi |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | he is a freebsd guy .. i'm sure he can handle a real editor |
| 20:45.56 | pbase | I like nano too. it's a nice little tool |
| 20:45.57 | thumper[1] | I use vi... but if you dont know where sources.list is you probably dont use vi |
| 20:46.14 | abrotman | tolkor: also .. if you have a bunch of servers, you may want to look at a package proxy like approx or apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 20:46.28 | abrotman | especially if you have sucky bandwidth |
| 20:46.57 | tolkor | heh; only when the students are awake... ;> |
| 20:47.15 | nym | i'm having a problem trying to apt-get install, and i'm getting this http://pastebin.com/1BMvRx8a |
| 20:47.27 | nym | which is not what i want to get |
| 20:48.07 | devil | nym: what was the initial command before that? |
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| 20:48.39 | ranix | Does anyone know what the status of the mirrors.kernel.org/debian mirror is? It seems to only be partially synced (packages after M are all missing) |
| 20:48.42 | abrotman | nym: moment |
| 20:48.47 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 20:48.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 20:49.14 | abrotman | nym: mixing etch and squeeze is going to make you sad |
| 20:49.25 | nym | what do i do |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | ranix: use a better mirror ? |
| 20:49.32 | nym | i just want my box to work again |
| 20:49.40 | abrotman | nym: fix your sources.list for starters |
| 20:49.43 | nym | ok |
| 20:49.46 | ranix | abrotman: have to change my ACLs to do that which is a giant PITA |
| 20:49.48 | abrotman | ranix: there's a berkley mirror IIRC ? |
| 20:49.51 | devil | yeah, that must be a mess |
| 20:49.52 | abrotman | oh .. jesus |
| 20:49.54 | pbase | what is the current kernel in squeeze? |
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| 20:50.16 | abrotman | nym: in short .. you're trying ot mix win98 and winXP .. not pretty |
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| 20:50.22 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:50.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 20:50.45 | nym | abrotman: right |
| 20:51.09 | pbase | ok llooks like I can switch back to the stable version now from testing |
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| 20:51.35 | Bushmills | ,versions linux-kernel-headers |
| 20:51.35 | judd | No package named 'linux-kernel-headers' was found in i386. |
| 20:51.58 | Bushmills | nym, how come your aptitude tries to deinstall a package which isn't in debian? |
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| 20:52.09 | nym | i don't know |
| 20:52.22 | parcs | is there a non-netinstall usb install image? |
| 20:52.29 | Bushmills | could it be that you're using somethng else than debian? |
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| 20:52.40 | abrotman | parcs: the CD1 maybe? but what's teh difference? |
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| 20:54.55 | xdexter | hello, I'm with the squeeze php5.3 + + apache2, to start displays the following error: PHP Warning: Directive 'safe_mode' is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and Greater in Unknown on line 0, anyone know how to solve? |
| 20:55.02 | karlpinc | Do the netinstall images have all the wirless tools on them or do I need cd1 (or something else). I'm planning on installing to a laptop at a remote location where there's only wireless and would like to be able to bring everything I need with me. (And I've no idea what the hardware is, but I know it's got something like an 8G drive.) |
| 20:55.13 | abrotman | karlpinc: for what kind of wifi ? |
| 20:55.18 | parcs | abrotman: hmm, i tried using unetbootin to write the cd image. it booted, but the installer complained about /dev/cdrom being empty |
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| 20:55.28 | abrotman | xdexter: stop using safe_mode ? |
| 20:55.29 | karlpinc | abrotman: I have no idea. It's at a nursing home. |
| 20:55.40 | abrotman | karlpinc: WPA isn't an option AFAIK .. |
| 20:55.43 | xdexter | abrotman, coment line? |
| 20:55.45 | abrotman | not during install |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | xdexter: huh ? |
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| 20:56.11 | abrotman | karlpinc: so make sure you take any tools you'd need for WPA in case |
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| 20:56.49 | karlpinc | abrotman: Perhaps I'll get my act together and upgrade the laptop here to wheezy and see if the new driver will get wifi working. Then at least I'll have something on hand that will hit the net. :-/ |
| 20:57.05 | karlpinc | abrotman: (Different laptop.) |
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| 20:58.04 | web21 | anyone got gnash working? I've read everything I can think of and nothing has helped to get it working. It'll display menus but won't play videos. Sometimes a single frame will display real fast, then it goes grey. |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | karlpinc: FWIW .. you may want to look at getting a router that would do bridging mode with a switch built in .. might alleviate some headaches |
| 20:58.07 | xdexter | abrotman, right, this error stopped, but now features: PHP Notice: Undefined index: in /var/www/admin/msnproxy/user.inc.php on line 167, this line is: $ statusContact arrayStatus = $ [$ rowContact ["contact_status "]];, can help me? |
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| 20:58.30 | _Sam-- | xdexter : maybe #php ? |
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| 20:58.45 | abrotman | xdexter: a) ##php is probably hte right place b) see the php.net docs .. c) it might be an issue in your php.ini if you copied it form another system |
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| 21:00.03 | xdexter | abrotman, okay, I'll go there, thank you |
| 21:00.05 | karlpinc | abrotman: Thanks. That's a good thought. (I've no idea if they'll allow me to plug such a thing in, but that would be easiest. The cable might or might not present a physical manuipulation problem. Such is life. |
| 21:00.12 | pbase | web21: it worked for me on youtube |
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| 21:00.38 | web21 | pbase: u have to do anything special? |
| 21:01.00 | pbase | yeah you have to reload twice.. basically refresh the page |
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| 21:02.33 | web21 | pbase: tried that, which takes me to the player with a big play button, and teh controls unerneath, but when I press play, it goes grey. tried downloading the file and using standalone player, but still no luck |
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| 21:03.13 | web21 | pbase: what arch are u on. I'm tryng this on powerpc. Think that makes a difference? |
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| 21:03.55 | pbase | x86.. no idea. guess that shouldn't make a difference |
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| 21:04.35 | pbase | are you trying to view videos? |
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| 21:05.11 | web21 | pbase: yeah, utube, facebook, etc. |
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| 21:05.36 | web21 | pbase: u running stable (gnash 0.8.8)? |
| 21:06.31 | pbase | web21: Gnash 0.8.10dev |
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| 21:06.49 | pbase | am on testing |
| 21:07.07 | web21 | maybe that's why |
| 21:07.46 | pbase | you mught want to manually add the adobe flash browser plugin |
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| 21:08.34 | pbase | but I will say don't do that, coz it always becomes susceptible to exploits in a few days |
| 21:10.29 | web21 | I did download the tarball, but there was no readme or install utility, so I didn't really know what to do with it. I've downloaded it for other machines but htere was instructions on where to put it. I see backports has 0.8.10 |
| 21:12.32 | pbase | extract the libflashplayer.so and put in /usr/lib/iceweasel(or firefox)/plugins as root |
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| 21:16.11 | Jasonn | apt-get install somelove <3 |
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| 21:18.01 | babilen | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch ppc |
| 21:18.03 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
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| 21:18.16 | babilen | pbase, web21: Any particular reason why you don't use ^^^^ ? |
| 21:18.50 | web21 | pbase: K, thanks, |
| 21:19.47 | web21 | babilen: don't understand what ,versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch ppc means. but when I do a search it says that it isn,t available for ppc |
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| 21:20.14 | babilen | gah |
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| 21:20.52 | handheldcar | hello, how am I supposed to find out if debian has the following: No rule to make target `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSM.so', needed by `lib/libicontaskmanager.so.4.6.0'. |
| 21:20.55 | babilen | s/ppc/powerpc |
| 21:21.02 | babilen | web21: nvm |
| 21:21.04 | pbase | babilen: wasn't aware of them |
| 21:21.28 | web21 | only amd64 and i386 |
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| 21:21.30 | babilen | pbase: That package is, indeed, not available on powerpc (I just got the arch wrong, sorry) |
| 21:21.42 | web21 | babilen: nvm? |
| 21:21.44 | pbase | am on x86 |
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| 21:22.00 | handheldcar | or make[1]: *** [taskmanager/CMakeFiles/icontaskmanager.dir/all] Error 2 |
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| 21:22.44 | babilen | pbase: In that case you can use that package to install Adobe's flashplugin. You have to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" to update it though |
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| 21:24.17 | gnarface | so |
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| 21:24.23 | pbase | babilen: is that the latest port usually? or there happens to be a delay in the current stable versions on the site and on the repo |
| 21:24.24 | kristina | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.01 | GNU\colossus | kristina, other than restoring from backup? probably not. |
| 21:25.08 | babilen | pbase: There is a small delay because the hashsums have to be updated for new releases, but it'll get you the newest version. |
| 21:25.36 | kristina | GNU\colossus, well it was saved, many times before the power outage, but the power outage seemed to cause the file to get corrupted |
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| 21:26.28 | pbase | I found one issue on gnash. they don't provide a 240p option as adobe provides.. how can it be added to it? |
| 21:26.40 | pbase | resolution option |
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| 21:27.57 | pbase | I need that coz sometimes I need to quickly know what is the video content.. if its crappy, I should not waste my bandwith on it. thus 240 helps me to view the videos fast |
| 21:28.32 | nym | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/6sUF4ABV |
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| 21:29.24 | nym | abrotman: should i be trying to use etech or squeeze? |
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| 21:29.37 | useless-eater | anyone tried debian on dreamplug? |
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| 21:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | nym: your sources list currently points at squeeze. |
| 21:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | nym: What are you trying to do? |
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| 21:31.34 | nym | apt-get install |
| 21:31.44 | nym | i'm having a problem trying to apt-get install, and i'm getting this http://pastebin.com/1BMvRx8a |
| 21:32.41 | pbase | useless-eater: this looks cool.. I will like to buy one of those! |
| 21:32.42 | jhutchins_lt | Do you know what release you were originally running? |
| 21:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | nym: It looks like you are part way through a release upgrade. |
| 21:33.15 | nym | so what do i do? |
| 21:33.16 | jhutchins_lt | nym: Was it an etch system? |
| 21:33.19 | nym | can i back it out? |
| 21:33.23 | nym | yeah i think so |
| 21:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | nym: You can restore your backup. |
| 21:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | What does uname -r say? |
| 21:33.35 | nym | right |
| 21:33.37 | GNU\colossus | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | nym: What he said. |
| 21:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | !etch->lenny |
| 21:34.07 | nym | 2.6.35.5-RH2.3.0.36.32/ 6.0.3 |
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| 21:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | nym: That's not a Debian kernel as far as I know, |
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| 21:35.04 | nym | ok, i'll just build a new box |
| 21:35.11 | nym | i didn't make this one |
| 21:35.11 | Bushmills | and system has packets which aren't in debian |
| 21:35.45 | Bushmills | we could mess it up completely :) |
| 21:35.51 | jhutchins_lt | nym: lsb_release -i please |
| 21:36.07 | useless-eater | pbase: just hope I can put a minimal debian on it ;) |
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| 21:36.21 | Bushmills | packages, even |
| 21:36.26 | jhutchins_lt | nym: It looks like a RedHat kernel (RH), and you can install apt on RedHat, so it could be. |
| 21:36.42 | jhutchins_lt | !ig |
| 21:36.43 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 21:36.57 | nym | jhutchins_lt: cmd not found |
| 21:37.21 | nym | maybe this is RH |
| 21:37.30 | nym | ffs |
| 21:37.35 | jhutchins_lt | nym: If you're going to install debian, have a look at the links above. |
| 21:37.50 | jhutchins_lt | nym: Does it respond to rpm -qa? |
| 21:38.15 | nym | nope |
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| 21:42.57 | Ring0` | Hi. When trying to access linux shared dirs from Windows, Windows can see the linux PC (they are in the same workgroup), properly displays the name but prompt that password is incorrect. what may be wrong? |
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| 21:44.27 | karlpinc | Ring0`: Are the clocks synched with ntp? |
| 21:45.04 | Ring0` | karlpinc: I haven't done that, will google and try |
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| 21:45.54 | karlpinc | Ring0`: aptitude install ntp |
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| 21:47.13 | makaveli_lcf | hi |
| 21:47.19 | toothbrush0 | hi all. since about 2 weeks iceweasel has been slow as treacle (almost impossible to scroll, e.g.). I think it broke after some update, but installing iceweasel from unstable or experimental doesn't change anything. anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:47.21 | Ring0` | karlpinc: how will I know that windows will use the same ? |
| 21:47.23 | toothbrush0 | makaveli_lcf: hi |
| 21:48.25 | eniac | Are there any decent twitter clients in the default repos ? |
| 21:48.40 | toothbrush0 | bah, social media :p |
| 21:48.43 | PerfDave | Define "decent". |
| 21:48.51 | PerfDave | uses bitlbee for Twitter |
| 21:48.53 | eniac | Having a GUI |
| 21:49.20 | PerfDave | That's not my definition of "decent" ;) |
| 21:49.25 | eniac | Well I can only find a couple , I'm surprised apt-get search twitux didn't return any results ? |
| 21:49.26 | somiaj | toothbrush0: what version of debian do you run? |
| 21:49.52 | MaXim_ | hilarious |
| 21:50.01 | MaXim_ | all my video and audio play in fast motion after coming off suspend |
| 21:50.05 | toothbrush0 | somiaj: 64 bit wheezy |
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| 21:50.27 | somiaj | toothbrush0: what video card drivers? |
| 21:50.35 | toothbrush0 | nvidia-glx from deb repo, I think |
| 21:51.39 | somiaj | toothbrush0: have you looked at the bts. xorg has done a major upgrade (which broke the ABI compadability of privious versions). nvidia nonfree and fglrx are having trouble catching up. Debian has put in a 'hacked' version that works in some cases, but this is a known bug that has been either filed against the nvidia-glx (main nvidia) package |
| 21:51.54 | toothbrush0 | hm, ok |
| 21:52.00 | toothbrush0 | interesting pointer |
| 21:52.07 | toothbrush0 | also, btw? |
| 21:52.09 | toothbrush0 | *bts |
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| 21:52.39 | robokop | toothbrush0: bug tracking system |
| 21:52.43 | toothbrush0 | ah |
| 21:52.46 | toothbrush0 | hi robokop |
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| 21:53.18 | somiaj | toothbrush0: bugs.debian.org/nvidia-glx <-- that should hope you find the bug |
| 21:53.30 | toothbrush0 | ah ok |
| 21:53.31 | toothbrush0 | thanks |
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| 21:53.46 | somiaj | toothbrush0: Its mostly nvidia isn't compadable with the new ABI yet, so I belive that bug is classified under nvidia -- the slowness is the graphics driver, not iceweasel |
| 21:53.57 | toothbrush0 | right, makes sense |
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| 21:54.09 | toothbrush0 | but the bottom line is I must wait for a nvidia-glx update? |
| 21:54.23 | toothbrush0 | would installing the drivers directly from nvidia solve anythign? |
| 21:54.43 | toothbrush0 | somiaj: I suppose not, considering what you just said. |
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| 21:55.12 | adminewb | hi all |
| 21:55.21 | robokop | toothbrush0: apart from not getting debian updates anymore: it might help you the days between release from nvidia and packaging by debian |
| 21:55.28 | somiaj | toothbrush0: my sid desktop is dead so I havne't tested anything, but until I get my new mobo I can't say if there is any difference. The bug reports should have all relavent info. |
| 21:55.43 | toothbrush0 | ok |
| 21:55.45 | toothbrush0 | looking now |
| 21:55.56 | somiaj | toothbrush0: do you run apt-get clean? If not do you still have the older packages located in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 21:56.08 | toothbrush0 | I don't often run that, no |
| 21:56.12 | toothbrush0 | so I should have them |
| 21:56.19 | toothbrush0 | which one would I want to downgrade? |
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| 21:56.22 | toothbrush0 | xorg? |
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| 21:56.53 | somiaj | toothbrush0: you will have to downgrade multiple xorg packages. You may have to downgrade the nvidia packages as well, and then wait paitently for the fix...welcome to testing. (: |
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| 21:57.00 | toothbrush0 | hehehe |
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| 21:57.20 | somiaj | toothbrush0: again I'm just assuming you ahve the same bug others have had with this xorg ABI upgrade that discontinued privious ABI's |
| 21:57.21 | toothbrush0 | somiaj: after a few years (like 3) of running testing, this is the first really uncool bug I've run into! |
| 21:57.25 | toothbrush0 | indeed |
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| 21:57.38 | toothbrush0 | abi, is that application binary interface?? googling doesn't help me much. |
| 21:57.57 | adminewb | I have a wireless driver trouble that's given me headaches for months, and all the online resources I could find to dig into lead nowhere; it's a trouble that didn't exist with the older stock squeeze kernel with a staging driver |
| 21:57.58 | somiaj | toothbrush0: I'm surprised this bug made it down into testing. But alas since its only non-free nvidia that gets effeted its not a big priority on the debian team. |
| 21:58.12 | somiaj | toothbrush0: its the interface that the driver uses to talk to X |
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| 21:58.17 | somiaj | toothbrush0: in simplified terms |
| 21:58.32 | toothbrush0 | ok |
| 21:58.45 | toothbrush0 | somiaj: I guess it's my fault for using nonfree stuff indeed :p |
| 21:58.56 | toothbrush0 | finally, karma for lack of principles :p |
| 21:59.19 | robokop | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 21:59.20 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia on i386 -- sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; experimental/non-free: 285.05.09-1 |
| 21:59.29 | somiaj | toothbrush0: haha, na, its just debian testing. This whole gnome3/xorg abi upgrade kinda is all hitting at once making it a bit worse than usual. |
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| 22:00.20 | toothbrush0 | somiaj: I suppose that could also explain why my Gtk2::Notify windows are stuttery and slow? :/ |
| 22:00.22 | somiaj | toothbrush0: I personally think sid gets faster fixes and is less buggy than testing, only problem with sid is grave bugs are far more likely to hit you if you upgrade with out apt-listbugs and always backups. |
| 22:00.26 | adminewb | here's the deal: when I use a 2.6.39 backport with squeeze, and a regular non-staging driver designed for my rt2870 based device 148f:3070, it won't connect to a network that works fine on the older build |
| 22:00.30 | somiaj | toothbrush0: its all the xorg abi. |
| 22:00.45 | toothbrush0 | i see |
| 22:01.41 | adminewb | I have to retry indefinitely until it makes a connection seemingly *at random*, taking as long as 1hour of babysitting until it finally makes connection (WPA2 encryption if that matters) |
| 22:01.48 | robokop | the one in sid is the same as in testing atm |
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| 22:03.01 | adminewb | those are USB wireless device IDs btw |
| 22:03.19 | adminewb | and it's a quite new piece of hardware too |
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| 22:04.13 | adminewb | at each failed connection try, it complains of an invalid cryptokey, as if |
| 22:04.47 | mikecc | what up guys, i have a samsung netbook and waswondering if there were some drivers tomake the brightness work? its been killin me, if i turn on my laptop plugged into AC its super bright, w/o not bright at all... |
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| 22:05.24 | toothbrush0 | somiaj, robokop: thanks for the pointers anyway |
| 22:05.33 | toothbrush0 | cheers all! |
| 22:06.11 | Devastator | yay, can't use wpa2-aes with d-i :( |
| 22:07.49 | somiaj | Devastator: Isn't wpasuplicant an option package you have to choose to load, you may have to use the expert install mode for that. Or is it just the default kernel doens't have aes encryption? |
| 22:08.32 | Devastator | somiaj thanks, gonna try |
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| 22:12.07 | Devastator | somiaj wpa_supplicant isn't listed |
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| 22:12.58 | jaimef | does wpa_supplicant work on linux? |
| 22:13.03 | somiaj | Devastator: its been so long since I've used the DI, I could have sworn it was there. |
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| 22:13.41 | somiaj | jaimef: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wpasupplicant |
| 22:14.10 | somiaj | Devastator: you can use the netinstall to install the base system (without being connected to the internet) |
| 22:14.29 | somiaj | Devastator: you can then copy over/install any missing debs you need to get your network installed, and then continue on from there. |
| 22:14.50 | Devastator | sounds like a plan |
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| 22:17.17 | jaimef | somiaj: yeah I know of it, just never had luck with it working on linux compared to other os. |
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| 22:19.29 | Devastator | oopss i guess 10gb for / is too small, i was following guided partitioning, /home got the bigger space |
| 22:19.40 | Devastator | well, let's see how it goes... |
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| 22:22.21 | babilen | .oO( We really need to fix those default sizes for wheezy ) |
| 22:23.26 | mikecc | how do i get the /lib/modules/kern-ver/build directory created? |
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| 22:24.11 | Devastator | babilen I was going to change manually, but I trust d-i :) |
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| 22:40.16 | _Dave123_ | there is an app (x11vnc) i would like to start up on boot, how can i best write a script to do this? |
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| 22:43.13 | Devastator | dmesg detected my wireless card as phy0, ath9k is loaded, how can i "ifup" it? |
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| 22:54.03 | useless-eater | whats the "recordmydesktop" for console called again? textmode |
| 22:54.53 | AimHere | recordmydesktop is what it's called |
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| 22:54.54 | themill | useless-eater: script? |
| 22:55.02 | AimHere | The gtk version has 'gtk-' or '-gtk' |
| 22:55.15 | useless-eater | no, let me rephrase.. records letters in ascii, not ogv :) |
| 22:55.37 | AimHere | Ah, sorry |
| 22:55.49 | useless-eater | saves all screen output to a text file :) |
| 22:56.02 | Devastator | just to confirm, to go from squeeze to wheezy, |
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| 22:56.26 | Devastator | deb http://some.http.or.ftp wheezy main |
| 22:56.32 | Devastator | deb-src http://some.http.or.ftp wheezy main |
| 22:57.57 | useless-eater | ahh like history but shows the result too.. files cat'ed, grepped etc etc |
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| 22:58.17 | themill | useless-eater: [23:54] <themill> useless-eater: script? |
| 22:58.41 | useless-eater | themill: ahh! yeah! sorry didnt get it the first time :) |
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| 22:59.03 | useless-eater | long since I have used it and completely forgot its name :) |
| 22:59.15 | Devastator | unfortunately i had to install only the base system so I don't have lines in sources.list |
| 23:00.10 | useless-eater | thanks themill |
| 23:01.02 | themill | np |
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| 23:04.37 | Devastator | there was a tool called apt-setup to setup sources.list, but doesn't seem available anymore.. |
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| 23:10.07 | charley | #aptitude install sudo <--- what do i need to put in the sources.list file to be able to install sudo ? |
| 23:10.31 | charley | im running the lastest stable squeeze |
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| 23:10.54 | charley | sorry, centos user here.. haven't porked around with different distros much :D |
| 23:10.56 | themill | charley: your sources.list should already have the appropriate lines. stick them in a pastebin if you want someone to check |
| 23:11.06 | charley | k |
| 23:11.32 | _Dave123_ | Anyone might know a way on how I can get x11vnc to start at boot on debian ? |
| 23:11.46 | themill | !rc.local |
| 23:11.46 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 23:11.49 | charley | http://pastebin.com/sSN3uTKU |
| 23:12.22 | themill | dpkg: tell charley about make squeeze sources.list |
| 23:12.50 | themill | charley: you're missing a full mirror; you should add then apt-get update |
| 23:13.21 | _Dave123_ | themill: thanks |
| 23:14.26 | charley | sweet, you are the man. |
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| 23:15.18 | charley | ran update, then safe-upgrade |
| 23:15.25 | charley | then i'll try for sudo |
| 23:16.09 | charley | should hve come in here 3 hours ago |
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| 23:16.27 | dioz_ | can someone reverse this ip and see what they get |
| 23:16.34 | dioz_ | 1086017711 |
| 23:16.40 | dioz_ | missed the .'s |
| 23:16.46 | dioz_ | 108.60.177.11 |
| 23:17.03 | civillian | dioz_: 108-60-177-11.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca |
| 23:17.10 | dioz_ | what NS's are you using? |
| 23:17.27 | civillian | Our company's one in Australia |
| 23:17.35 | adminewb | how can you tell? |
| 23:17.36 | charley | i see the same |
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| 23:18.28 | dioz_ | Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program. |
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| 23:18.46 | dioz_ | need to update |
| 23:18.53 | civillian | dioz_: I think so. |
| 23:18.58 | adminewb | "this program"? |
| 23:19.37 | dioz_ | whois |
| 23:21.15 | dioz_ | whois: option requires an argument -- v |
| 23:21.15 | dioz_ | Usage: whois [OPTION]... OBJECT... |
| 23:21.15 | dioz_ | -l one level less specific lookup [RPSL only] |
| 23:21.15 | dioz_ | -L find all Less specific matches |
| 23:21.15 | dioz_ | -m find first level more specific matches |
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| 23:21.21 | civillian | hahah |
| 23:21.24 | civillian | always funny |
| 23:21.45 | Some_Person | I need a small live Linux USB I can use to test if a keyboard is working properly -- suggestinos? |
| 23:21.49 | Some_Person | *suggestions? |
| 23:22.30 | Devastator | Some_Person grml |
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| 23:27.37 | _Dave123_ | themill: i tried putting a simple app execution line in /etc/rc.local and it didnt start |
| 23:28.49 | themill | _Dave123_: can you pastebin the file? |
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| 23:28.53 | _Dave123_ | themill: yes |
| 23:30.37 | _Dave123_ | themill: http://pastebin.com/Uim9NGN6 |
| 23:31.27 | themill | _Dave123_: that's unlikely to do what you really want. ~/.x11vnc is going to be /root/.x11vnc in that context |
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| 23:32.05 | _Dave123_ | even if, it doesnt start |
| 23:32.22 | themill | well, if the auth file doesn't exist, it's not going to start... |
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| 23:32.32 | _Dave123_ | themill: i made it my homedir, lets test again sorry |
| 23:32.58 | themill | _Dave123_: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
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| 23:35.26 | _Dave123_ | themill: trying to start up x11vnc at boot |
| 23:35.35 | _Dave123_ | themill: just tried it with full dir path , also doesnt work |
| 23:35.37 | themill | to do what? |
| 23:35.55 | _Dave123_ | start up x11vnc at boot time |
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| 23:36.03 | themill | ... |
| 23:36.14 | _Dave123_ | what one does with vnc - view remote screen |
| 23:36.29 | ranix | go one level higher |
| 23:36.35 | ranix | what do you actually want to acomplish |
| 23:36.36 | themill | do you want to be able to login over the remote screen or to view a session after it's been logged in? |
| 23:37.13 | _Dave123_ | i want to be able to login through VNC , and see the debian gnome screen as if I were in front of the computer |
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| 23:37.23 | _Dave123_ | and login with user X, or user Y |
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| 23:39.34 | Devastator | netslect-apt is giving no mirror |
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| 23:40.30 | _Dave123_ | themill: login over the remote screen |
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| 23:41.08 | themill | _Dave123_: you've got to tell x11vnc how to find the xauth data -- this differs depending on what display manager you're using. |
| 23:41.31 | _Dave123_ | themill: gnome |
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| 23:41.45 | themill | not a dm. gdm or gdm3? |
| 23:42.01 | _Dave123_ | how can i know this? |
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| 23:43.35 | themill | aptitude search ~Px-display-manager~i |
| 23:43.53 | _Dave123_ | gdm3 |
| 23:43.57 | gnarface | so has anyone used toshiba laptop utilities in a while? i'm having trouble getting the stock kernel modules to recognize my toshiba 4015cdt, or at least that's what the toshset or toshutils (i forget which, maybe both?) said |
| 23:44.57 | Devastator | is this line correct? netselect-apt -a amd64 -s -n stable? |
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| 23:47.44 | _Dave123_ | themill: any idea? |
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