| 00:00.11 | BradUsesMac | I'm frustrated... I'm outta here |
| 00:00.14 | BradUsesMac | Bye |
| 00:00.50 | Gm4n | with a mdadm raid create, is it preferable to raid partitions together (sda1, sdb1) or the raw devices themselves (sda, sdb)? |
| 00:00.53 | emorris | -_- |
| 00:01.32 | damian | I shouldn't have even mentioned mint, then you wouldn't have been uptight about your rules |
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| 00:13.06 | paulfm | hi all |
| 00:14.08 | paulfm | Does anyone know.. after updating the kernel when I reboot, are any old drivers still 'cached' or something... I rebooted and was still having HD issues.. then rebooted again and they seem to be gone? |
| 00:14.44 | paulfm | its like the old modules were used after the reboot the first time... and now another reboot later my hd errors seem to be gone |
| 00:14.53 | abrotman | paulfm: was it a warm/cold boot difference? |
| 00:15.10 | abrotman | it's also possible the drivers are unloaded differently upon shutdown |
| 00:15.19 | paulfm | abrotman: Im not sure I understand... shutdown -r now ...... is that warm? |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | no |
| 00:15.42 | paulfm | as opposed to power switch? |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | warm means it never is actually powered off |
| 00:16.54 | paulfm | abrotman: whouldnt shutdown-r mean warm ... ie reboot.. not power off? |
| 00:17.33 | paulfm | abrotman: so it sounds like there is a difference though... and just rebooting may use the old drivers? |
| 00:17.36 | abrotman | okay .. i'll take that to mean they were both reboots .. not a shutdown and power on |
| 00:17.59 | paulfm | abrotman: yeah - sorry - I believe shutdown -r is the 'warm' variety |
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| 00:19.02 | paulfm | abrotman: so with a kernel install, is it suggested to completely power off and then power on?... otherwise old drivers will still be in play? |
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| 00:19.46 | abrotman | paulfm: that's not what i said .. you missed a line of something i said |
| 00:19.59 | paulfm | abrotman: reading.. |
| 00:20.48 | paulfm | abrotman: you say its possible they are unloaded differently.. |
| 00:21.16 | Devastator | paulfm did you 1- shutdown -r now, then 2- powered off then powered on? |
| 00:21.38 | Devastator | or was it shutdown -r now twice? |
| 00:22.09 | paulfm | Devastator: 1 was shutdownr -r, the other was power button on front of box |
| 00:23.01 | Devastator | paulfm what he said was: shutdown -r can manage modules differently than a power off/power on, got it? |
| 00:23.17 | Devastator | i mean, it's a possibility |
| 00:23.52 | paulfm | Devastator: thanks... yes... thanks abrotman ... just never even realized that was possible |
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| 00:24.19 | paulfm | is there any way to know how the ata driver is loaded in either situation? |
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| 00:24.35 | paulfm | ie wether it makes a difference for the ata driver? |
| 00:24.47 | Devastator | reboot is one routine, complete shutdown is another, they can execute same commands, but there seems not.. |
| 00:26.09 | paulfm | Devastator: I see... ok... well if 1 doesnt work Ill try the other I suppose |
| 00:26.15 | paulfm | Devastator: thanks |
| 00:26.24 | paulfm | abrotman: thanks for the insight |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | i said it *could* .. i don't know |
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| 00:26.42 | Devastator | welcome :) |
| 00:26.45 | paulfm | abrotman: yeah - that is very helpful... I would have said never |
| 00:26.56 | paulfm | you gave me a different perspective :-) |
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| 00:27.17 | jdahm | I just installed a clean debian version (it works now) but I have an error with nvidia driver not being able to open /dev/nvidia0. Weird, because this is debian stable, I thought this bug would be worked out |
| 00:27.28 | paulfm | wisdom... like a gift... I like it |
| 00:28.17 | Devastator | jdahm you can try to backport the kernel, only a suggestion, i'm not saying it will solve your issue |
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| 00:29.22 | jdahm | Devastator: it's weird that lspci only shows "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0de1" |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | jdahm: installed the nvidia drivers how ? |
| 00:29.35 | jdahm | abrotman: m-a |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:30.00 | jdahm | should I just run unstable? |
| 00:30.43 | Devastator | i would try kernel backport first, unstable is... unstable |
| 00:31.07 | gnarface | jdahm: you should install the one in apt |
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| 00:31.28 | abrotman | jdahm: that's probably not going ot help |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | jdahm: which video card do you have ? |
| 00:31.34 | gnarface | jdahm: you didn't just install the squeeze nvidia-* packages? |
| 00:31.45 | jdahm | gnarface: I tried installing nvidia-kernel-${VERSION} |
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| 00:31.48 | jdahm | same thing happened |
| 00:32.02 | aypea[2] | anyone know why mkinitramfs calls cpio with --dereference? |
| 00:32.02 | gnarface | jdahm: i think you might also need nvidia-dkms-something |
| 00:32.27 | jdahm | Gm4n: yeah I have that too |
| 00:32.29 | jdahm | oops |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | so you have like three drivers installed? |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | and which card do you have? |
| 00:33.06 | jdahm | abrotman: possibly, although probably only using 1. I have a GLX460 or something |
| 00:33.20 | jdahm | slim version |
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| 00:34.19 | Devastator | poor xorg.conf, it has to guess which one to use :) |
| 00:34.38 | jdahm | Devastator: ok I'm removing all of them :P |
| 00:34.58 | abrotman | jdahm: is that new (in the last year?) or old ? |
| 00:35.04 | abrotman | hugs his intel devices |
| 00:35.25 | jdahm | abrotman: about a year ago. |
| 00:35.34 | Devastator | probably mid last year |
| 00:35.35 | jdahm | it's a decent card, newest gen at the time |
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| 00:36.21 | abrotman | so it's possible he may need to get the nvidia driver from backports.debian.org |
| 00:36.45 | Devastator | most likely |
| 00:36.52 | jdahm | ok I'll try that |
| 00:36.54 | Devastator | gotta love nvidia and their drivers |
| 00:37.12 | jdahm | sigh, I'm beginning to hate it |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | no, i don't |
| 00:37.17 | jdahm | they used to be decent |
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| 00:37.45 | Devastator | it's not easy to add drivers for bleeding edge hardware |
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| 00:37.58 | Devastator | kernel is also in transition |
| 00:38.35 | jdahm | ok I added backports |
| 00:38.39 | jdahm | hmm so what package? |
| 00:39.14 | nsadmin | there are lists of packages on the backports site |
| 00:39.26 | nsadmin | what package do you want? install that... |
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| 00:39.30 | jdahm | Devastator: should I get the whole kernel from there? |
| 00:39.39 | nsadmin | have you updated your pkg lists? |
| 00:39.40 | Devastator | jdahm first try the new drivers |
| 00:39.48 | Devastator | jdahm then move on to kernel |
| 00:39.59 | jdahm | Devastator: which is like nvidia-kernel-common or something? |
| 00:40.10 | Devastator | it's my suggestion, abrotman knows it better |
| 00:40.29 | jdahm | I don't know how to use the backports with m-a. that's all |
| 00:40.35 | Devastator | jdahm that i can't say, hasn't been using nvidia for a long time.. |
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| 00:41.37 | nsadmin | hmm. if the nvidia driver is applicable to a specific kernel, maybe running that kernel would be a good thing... or, maybe m-a can be told which kernel version to install the driver for |
| 00:41.54 | Devastator | jdahm probably xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 00:41.58 | nsadmin | not sure. food for thought. |
| 00:42.50 | jdahm | yeah let me try nouveau |
| 00:43.15 | nsadmin | is that a new nvidia card? |
| 00:43.18 | Devastator | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 00:43.29 | Devastator | nsadmin GLX460 according to him |
| 00:43.53 | nsadmin | ahh... what does "noveau" refer to? |
| 00:44.17 | Devastator | nsadmin the newer nvidia driver |
| 00:44.30 | Devastator | i think it's a new project or whatever |
| 00:44.37 | nsadmin | ohh, that applies to older nvidias too? |
| 00:44.56 | jdahm | Devastator: man, that wants to remove X11 |
| 00:44.57 | Devastator | probably, but it comes from experimental :) |
| 00:44.58 | jdahm | and other things |
| 00:45.35 | Devastator | you will probably need newer X11 then.. |
| 00:45.35 | nsadmin | well it's going to remove things that are thought to be incompatible |
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| 00:46.10 | nsadmin | you might want to run this upgrade in the text console |
| 00:46.38 | Devastator | jdahm you wanted to run unstable :) so don't be scared hehe |
| 00:46.43 | nsadmin | the upgrade is likely to stop things like xdm |
| 00:47.06 | nsadmin | well he can be scared... but he already knew he was gonna be scared... |
| 00:47.31 | Devastator | nsadmin i think he will have to install newer xorg by hand.. |
| 00:47.37 | nsadmin | after all, this is sid and halloween's right around the corner... |
| 00:48.14 | jdahm | wow this is really a pain, I went back to nv but the screen flickers and I can't do anything |
| 00:48.15 | Devastator | nsadmin c'mon, it comes from experimental but it's in backports, so it is 'safe' |
| 00:48.32 | Devastator | jdahm hello nouveau :) |
| 00:48.33 | nsadmin | if he does it in the text console after stopping x(orwhatever)dm, it doesn't have to be too manual |
| 00:48.41 | jdahm | I'm going to go to unstable |
| 00:48.56 | jdahm | but install that from a daily build CD |
| 00:49.30 | Devastator | you want to go unstable and not try a safe backported package? how that makes sense? |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | that'll sure go well ... |
| 00:50.25 | nsadmin | jdahm, once again, you're advised to do this upgrade in the linux text console... you might want to stop for a moment |
| 00:50.27 | Devastator | suuure |
| 00:50.36 | nsadmin | long enough to install say irssi |
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| 00:51.19 | nsadmin | and come here with that |
| 00:51.24 | nsadmin | then go from there |
| 00:51.28 | jdahm | I can't even get to a terminal, the screen is flickering |
| 00:52.00 | nsadmin | try ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 00:52.06 | jdahm | yeah that doesn't work |
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| 00:52.24 | egoga | So |
| 00:52.28 | egoga | Why don't people answer in #debian? |
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| 00:52.33 | egoga | How should I resolve this problem when typing aptitude full-upgrade, http://pastebin.com/EvBR04fz |
| 00:52.33 | Devastator | ctrl+alt+backspace until it gives up |
| 00:52.37 | egoga | it keeps saying Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?] but when I keep pressing +, it doesn't continue and keeps repeating that message in a loop |
| 00:52.58 | Devastator | egoga which version? |
| 00:53.00 | Devastator | stable? |
| 00:53.09 | nsadmin | ok, you might want to reboot in single user mode, disable xdm, and then hit ctrl-d so it can go from single to multi |
| 00:53.18 | egoga | I'm using squeeze with a few wheezy replacements which caused the problem, but I'm trying to upgrade to wheezy |
| 00:53.37 | nsadmin | just long enough to avoid the flicker thing |
| 00:53.46 | jdahm | nsadmin: ok I got it back to norml |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | egoga: egoga do oyu need ntfsprogs ? |
| 00:53.57 | jdahm | but in the old driver the screen is shrunk and stretched |
| 00:53.59 | egoga | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-proposed-updates main contrib non-free, and deb ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free |
| 00:53.59 | jdahm | it's really gross |
| 00:54.07 | egoga | Yes I need ntfsprogs |
| 00:54.13 | egoga | I need ntfs-3g to mount an NTFS drive |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | do you need it to finish the upgrade ? |
| 00:54.30 | egoga | no |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | you never pasted all the stuff i asked for |
| 00:54.37 | egoga | aah yes |
| 00:54.42 | egoga | What was it again? something like ;;;; |
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| 00:54.48 | nsadmin | cool. so, next, install irssi, figure it out enough to come here (this is irc.freenode.net, not irc.debian.org) and rejoin, preferably before you do anything else |
| 00:54.50 | egoga | sorry it scrolled off my screen |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | egoga: use /lastlog .. |
| 00:55.24 | egoga | /bin/sh: /lastlog: not found |
| 00:55.40 | nsadmin | once you're there, I'm dropping out, and you can continue |
| 00:56.14 | egoga | cat /etc/apt/sources.list;apt-cache policy;aptitude upate;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:56.21 | egoga | got it |
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| 01:06.07 | xgpt | hey, quick question...when I read this "xgpt is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 01:06.19 | xgpt | where does it get reported to? where can I check that log? |
| 01:07.03 | civillian | xgpt: root gets an email |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | xgpt: FBI |
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| 01:07.18 | xgpt | lol |
| 01:07.20 | civillian | abrotman: hehe I should have thought of that |
| 01:07.21 | xgpt | FBI |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | Freakin Box Inspector |
| 01:07.40 | xgpt | seriously, I've never seen an email |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | xgpt: /var/log/auth.log IIRC |
| 01:08.55 | xgpt | abrotman: good answer...thnx |
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| 01:18.09 | egoga | got itok |
| 01:18.22 | egoga | I finished pasting for that command you told me to type, the URL is http://pastebin.com/aiZ1Xuhj |
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| 01:19.10 | abrotman | wtf have you done? |
| 01:19.19 | tonhe | something up with lenny-backports ? |
| 01:19.20 | egoga | I made a pastebin for the command cat /etc/apt/sources.list;apt-cache policy;aptitude upate;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:19.30 | tonhe | i'm getting -->Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 86.59.118.148 80] |
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| 01:19.43 | abrotman | egoga: i meant wiht your sources.list .. :( |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | tonhe: backports.debian.org now |
| 01:19.54 | egoga | what do you mean with my sources.list |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | where idd all that other crap come from ? |
| 01:20.05 | egoga | I did paste everything |
| 01:20.25 | egoga | all the other crap was from the command you told me to type, cat /etc/apt/sources.list;apt-cache policy;aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:20.28 | egoga | that's where all the other crap came from |
| 01:20.46 | egoga | but at the top is my sources.list |
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| 01:21.18 | abrotman | that's not what i'm asking .. where did you get that sources.list from |
| 01:21.25 | tonhe | abrotman: thanks! |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | tonhe: enjoy |
| 01:21.42 | egoga | the sources.list was originally from a lenny install, then I commented out everything and added wheezy lines |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | egoga: so we're going to remove *everything* except the two lines you need from that file |
| 01:22.12 | egoga | which are? |
| 01:22.17 | egoga | so I don't need debian-multimedia |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | right now .. you need only one main wheezy line .. not the wheezy-proposed-updates |
| 01:22.54 | egoga | k |
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| 01:23.15 | abrotman | remove/delete all of the others |
| 01:23.18 | egoga | done |
| 01:23.23 | lotus-blade|2 | when is gnome 3 going to be available for squeeze? |
| 01:23.31 | abrotman | you removed all of the others ? you deleted them ? |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | lotus-blade|2: never |
| 01:23.41 | egoga | not sure, you have to install gnome3 using testing |
| 01:23.42 | abrotman | or very likely never |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | testing doesn't have gnome3 yet |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | or not all of it anyway |
| 01:23.57 | egoga | there's a guide telling how to install gnome3 |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | okay .. can we get back to your problem instead of screwing up his box? |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | egoga: how many *total* lines are there in your sources.list ? |
| 01:24.34 | egoga | one |
| 01:24.40 | egoga | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | egoga: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. same issues? |
| 01:24.59 | egoga | I'm waiting right now |
| 01:25.19 | egoga | but most likely, yes, still those libkonq-common: Breaks: libkonq5 (< 4:4.4.5-3) but 4:4.4.5-2 is installed. type errors |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | you're likely going ot have to say Y and then install the things it removes that you need |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | this is part of the danger of running testing |
| 01:26.18 | lotus-blade | darn umbuntu has it and we don't |
| 01:26.43 | egoga | Well wheezy isn't testing. But... I tried that, I kept typing Y, and it said "search for more alternatives" and it keeps going from 4510 to 10000 and on and on... |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | we do .. squeeze doesn't |
| 01:26.53 | abrotman | and ubuntu doesn't either .. they have Unity |
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| 01:27.03 | abrotman | egoga: wheezy *is* testing |
| 01:27.05 | egoga | open: 4999; closed: 14362; defer: 42; conflict: 49 [Enter] No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
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| 01:27.23 | abrotman | egoga: try an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' first |
| 01:27.29 | qmr | Hey, I've got a chroot of debian arm running on my android phone... any idea what I should install to get X going? |
| 01:27.38 | qmr | xserver-xorg seems to pull in all the video drivers.. |
| 01:27.38 | egoga | should I keep typing Y and having it go "Try Harder?" |
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| 01:28.05 | abrotman | qmr: xorg ? |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | xserver-xorg-core? |
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| 01:29.05 | egoga | k, I"ll try that |
| 01:29.06 | egoga | # aptitude safe-upgrade Resolving dependencies... open: 0; closed: 0; defer: 0; conflict: 0 .Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found. Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver. |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | oh jesus |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | egoga: okay .. let's go with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | whatever it suggests .. note what it removes .. do it |
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| 01:29.54 | abrotman | make sure you paste it somewhere .. don't lose it |
| 01:29.58 | egoga | That's aptitude dist-upgrade for me |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | they're not hte same |
| 01:30.18 | egoga | apt-get doesn't work |
| 01:30.22 | qmr | abrotman: ok, installing that. it's about half the size or so |
| 01:30.46 | qmr | in the market they show gnome2 running :P |
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| 01:30.57 | abrotman | egoga: does'nt work at all? or doesn't do what you think it should ? |
| 01:31.11 | qmr | I wonder if the HDMI out works in the chroot.. that would be great. oh don't mind me, just transforming my phone into a linux desktop |
| 01:31.32 | qmr | https://market.android.com/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&hl=en if anyone is curious |
| 01:31.33 | egoga | abrotman: apt-get DOESN'T WORK AT ALL. |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | egoga: this is absurd .. what is the apt-get dist-upgrade output ? |
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| 01:35.02 | abrotman | egoga: not sure how you got in this jam .. let's see what we can do to get out of it |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | egoga: i'd really hate to have to drive out there to fix it personally :) |
| 01:35.47 | egoga | This is how I got into the problem: I installed squeeze, then I installed wine-1.3.28. To do this, I needed to install wheezy packages over the squeeze ones with dpkg -i, this included various sound libraries, openssl-1.0.0, and libgconf |
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| 01:36.10 | egoga | After that I couldn't install anything squeeze that used sound packages, even with apt-get -f install |
| 01:36.32 | egoga | everytime I typed apt-get it gave me those errors |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | can you pastebin it? |
| 01:37.35 | egoga | I believe I already did, need to get the URL from somewhere |
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| 01:38.15 | abrotman | i looked up .. and grepped .. didn't find it .. was it at pastebin.com ? |
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| 01:39.12 | egoga | It was errors like gir1.2-glib-2.0: Conflicts: gir1.0-glib-2.0 but 0.6.14-1+b1 is installed |
| 01:39.14 | TheWarden | Hi all |
| 01:39.18 | egoga | only with libpulse, pulseaudio, etc |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | grr |
| 01:39.30 | brolinux | hi The Warden |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | egoga: i don't see an apt-get paste .. just aptitude |
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| 01:39.45 | dvs | goes loony |
| 01:39.50 | TheWarden | Does anyone know how to connect to a Watchguard VPN on Debian? I've found this article but it is dated and not sure if it would still apply now or not. http://blog.microcozm.net/2010/03/watchguard-mobile-vpn-with-ssl-client.html |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | dated? from last year? |
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| 01:40.38 | TheWarden | Hey a lot changes in technology in that time frame. |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | TheWarden: those seem sane enough i'd try them on Debian |
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| 01:41.40 | ksx4system | any ideas why kernels later than 2.6.26 sometimes render Cobalt Raq2 box useless? |
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| 01:41.49 | TheWarden | abrotman: really.. oh man that's good to hear. I've wanted this to work for years on Linux. |
| 01:41.58 | egoga | well really... I'm too lazy to get the paste, it was the same kinds of errors |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | ksx4system: because they're from 1998 ? |
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| 01:42.21 | abrotman | egoga: well, i can just give you random advice |
| 01:42.28 | ksx4system | sometimes (seldom) 2.6.32, always 2.6.38 and .39 |
| 01:42.59 | ksx4system | abrotman: well, I don't care. I have many old boxes which work just perfectly, even more stable than latest sophisticated hardware |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | ksx4system: you should join the kernel team and help them |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | offer to test, etc |
| 01:44.13 | ksx4system | abrotman: well, my priority now is making this box usable again. any ideas how to make it usable again? Debian boots, like some of apps (web server but not samba) |
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| 01:44.49 | ksx4system | abrotman: I can connect hdd from Cobalt to other non-MIPS box |
| 01:44.52 | TheWarden | I'll give it a go and see what happens then and hopefully it will work. |
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| 01:46.14 | ksx4system | abrotman: SSH output looks like this http://paste.debian.net/hidden/30c9294c/ it stops just before starting bash, buttons on the panel does not work |
| 01:46.39 | qmr | abrotman: that didn't seem to install X or startx or such.. |
| 01:47.24 | abrotman | judd: file bin/startx --release squeeze |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | ksx4system: i thought you said they didn't boot ? |
| 01:47.31 | judd | Search for bin/startx in squeeze/i386: xinit: usr/bin/startx |
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| 01:47.56 | abrotman | qmr: is xinit package installed? |
| 01:48.24 | ksx4system | abrotman: I said that it renders my box useless. I can't even reboot/soft shutdown it... |
| 01:49.11 | qmr | no |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | ksx4system: as i said .. ask the kernel team .. they'd know more |
| 01:49.32 | qmr | apt-get install xinit wants to pull in errything again.. xorg-video-* |
| 01:49.49 | egoga | well really... I'm too lazy to get the paste, it was the same kinds of errors |
| 01:49.50 | ksx4system | abrotman: #linux? |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | ksx4system: email debian-kernel mailing list |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | egoga: you said that :) |
| 01:50.14 | egoga | now it's doing this: Get:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main google-chrome-stable i386 14.0.835.202-r103287 [28.6 MB] |
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| 01:50.26 | ksx4system | abrotman: I mailed 'em, no reply. I was totally ignored. |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | egoga: i asked you *delete* those lines |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | ksx4system: MIPS? |
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| 01:51.26 | qmr | ah, oh well, I'll just get all these things. for some reason some package is missing like.. .it's getting all the drivers again,b ut .. only 8mB of space will be used |
| 01:52.59 | ksx4system | abrotman: yes, it was MIPS dedicated list. |
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| 01:53.22 | abrotman | ksx4system: those are two different lists .. did oyu email the kernel team or the mips people ? |
| 01:53.40 | qmr | ok, now I have X installed, but get an error when I try startx |
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| 01:54.08 | abrotman | tomaw: uhm .. i think idoru just killed egoga for a bad reason :( |
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| 01:54.32 | ksx4system | abrotman: debian mips list |
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| 01:55.28 | abrotman | ksx4system: but you're saying the kernel is to blame .. maybe ping the debian-kernel list and see if they have some insight |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | qmr: and that error is ? |
| 01:55.50 | ksx4system | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/2011/07/msg00002.html |
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| 01:58.03 | abrotman | that was almost four months ago ... |
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| 01:58.39 | ksx4system | abrotman: and nothing changed since then. no reply too... |
| 02:00.05 | TheWarden | would anyone know if in step 3 is that to be done on all one line or two? http://blog.microcozm.net/2010/03/watchguard-mobile-vpn-with-ssl-client.html |
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| 02:00.38 | abrotman | ksx4system: file bugs? if you're not going to do anything .. whining alone won't solve the issue |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | TheWarden: there are two Step 3s .. i assume you're asking about the second .. and it's two lines |
| 02:01.36 | ksx4system | abrotman: on the other side... is it possible to use squeeze with older kernel? 2.6.26 or something |
| 02:01.56 | abrotman | i think the oldest you can use is .24 .. don't quote me on that |
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| 02:02.54 | ksx4system | well... i'll try to take hdd out of this Cobalt and copy logs (of course I'll do some other things - maybe changing my shell from bash to sh will allow to log in via ssh) |
| 02:03.50 | Aleo | hello ppl |
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| 02:06.47 | TheWarden | abrotman: oh yeah sorry second 3, ahh okay good to know. |
| 02:08.31 | qmr | abrotman: Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 no such file or directory |
| 02:09.07 | abrotman | lies! |
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| 02:09.27 | ksx4system | abrotman: well... maybe I have figured out what the fuck is going on there. ssh connection (or any network connection) freezes the box |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | nic driver problems ? |
| 02:09.46 | ksx4system | so I *must* buy myself null modem cable |
| 02:09.55 | m4t | hey, i am having an issue with microcode_ctl. microcode.ko is loaded, and the utility reports it successfully wrote to /dev/cpu/microcode |
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| 02:10.04 | m4t | however i see nothing about the update in dmesg |
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| 02:29.16 | paulfm | has anyone else had tons of drive errors when using sata? on kernel 2.6.26 |
| 02:30.17 | paulfm | I know for a fact its not the drive... you see.. I've installed about 700.. and Im at about a 50% error rate. |
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| 02:30.58 | paulfm | 700 sata drives on 700 different boxes is a pretty good test :-) |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | it can be the drive |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | it could be a crap firmware |
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| 02:31.56 | paulfm | abrotman: but what if its 4 different drive models from 2different manufacturers |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | you could try the bpo kernel on the same box to see if it goes away |
| 02:32.14 | paulfm | abrotman: on 2 different intel boards |
| 02:32.26 | abrotman | paulfm: you didn't say that .. i thought you meant 700 of the same drive in a few different configs |
| 02:32.57 | paulfm | abrotman: I apologize |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | still can try the bpo kernel |
| 02:33.50 | paulfm | abrotman: I am in the process of trying the new kernel 2.6.32-bpo ... have updated almost 200 units in the past 2 days... had 1 box with the error so far so its looking good |
| 02:34.06 | paulfm | abrotman: but sometimes these take weeks to show the errors |
| 02:34.16 | abrotman | okay .. |
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| 02:34.23 | paulfm | abrotman: Im not sure wht the deal is that it can take weeks for this to surface |
| 02:34.28 | paulfm | weird |
| 02:34.49 | abrotman | it can only count on its fingers and toes |
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| 02:35.56 | paulfm | I think the failed unit may be because I needed a hard reset for new drivers to take hold.. or it may just be a bad hd.. love problems like this... super gray area |
| 02:36.26 | simonlnu | out of 700... you're bound to hit a bad one |
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| 03:01.16 | unkmar | uname -r = "2.6.26-2-amd64". So why do I get errors like. stable_current_amd64.deb (--install): package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
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| 03:02.22 | unkmar | I bet it is because SOME of my packages were installed at a time when I was using the i386 kernel. |
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| 03:02.57 | abrotman | unkmar: because your system is 32bit userland |
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| 03:06.34 | unkmar | This crap makes me feel stupid. |
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| 03:07.19 | unkmar | I can't get google chromium or chrome to install on this old Lenny and I don't have the time for the 2 days downtime to upgrade. |
| 03:07.46 | unkmar | and don't you dare claim it won't take me 2 days to fix most, (not all) of what WILL break. |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | use firefox ? |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | unkmar: you must have a lot of custom stuff |
| 03:08.10 | unkmar | not a solution. |
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| 03:08.32 | unkmar | I have a lot of DATA that I would have to be certain wouldn't be trashed. |
| 03:08.43 | abrotman | that's why you have a backup, right ? |
| 03:09.25 | cardamon | I'm trying to get a ten year old game with linux binaries running on my amd64 box. Neverwinter Nights. So far it runs but the mouse is terrible. Someone has a fix that forces it to use the hardware mouse. Trying to run the script to complie what it needs I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/138409/ I check the c code for that error at that line and it just says "#include <SDL/SDL.h>" which means, I guess, that it's looking for SD |
| 03:09.29 | unkmar | yeah, I preach backups too. Lot of good preaching does to reality. |
| 03:10.06 | cardamon | Any wisdom of what package to check for would be great. I thought I had everything. |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | cardamon: probably has to do with your cursor setup in X |
| 03:11.37 | cardamon | abrotman: I didn't do anything manually, so I don't know. |
| 03:12.13 | cardamon | http://xkcd.com/963/ Related. |
| 03:12.15 | unkmar | yet again, I can be more effecient my having a completely independant install to do yet another thing. |
| 03:12.36 | unkmar | of course, that only requires REBOOTs to get things done. |
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| 03:13.41 | cardamon | But that error implies that gcc is failing to compile due to a missing library/header, or one it is unable to find. |
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| 03:13.57 | unkmar | cardamon: probably unable to find. |
| 03:14.11 | unkmar | cardamon: but, I'm an idiot in the are of installs so ignore me. |
| 03:14.18 | cardamon | I am definitely ignorant on the subject, but I don't think my xorg config would affect that. |
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| 03:15.42 | cardamon | Anyone else? compiler script fails because gcc can't find a library. Possibly I'm just missing a package because it's a 32bit one and I'm on a 64bit system. |
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| 03:18.18 | dbb | \q |
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| 03:18.55 | TheWarden | I'm trying to do step 8 under 'In Linux", echo username >/etc/openvpn/TunnelName/TunnelName.up but I get the response of "bash: /etc/openvpn/TunnelName/TunnelName.up: Permission denied". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 03:19.44 | TheWarden | ops step 8 under "In Linux" on this page, http://blog.microcozm.net/2010/03/watchguard-mobile-vpn-with-ssl-client.html to setup VPN for Watchguard |
| 03:19.52 | simonlnu | um, do it as root? check the dir perms? |
| 03:20.07 | TheWarden | I did sudo in fron of echo |
| 03:20.11 | TheWarden | front* |
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| 03:20.47 | TheWarden | simonlnu: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 20 21:21 TunnelName |
| 03:20.47 | simonlnu | uh, yeh and? you're not covering the redirect are you? |
| 03:20.53 | simonlnu | and sudo isn't root |
| 03:21.08 | TheWarden | well true but that shoud be enough.. I guess I could do su and then do it |
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| 03:21.37 | simonlnu | sudo sh -c "echo foo > bar" |
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| 03:23.33 | cardamon | is there a way to diff the contents of two directories? |
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| 03:24.27 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 03:25.16 | TheWarden | simonlnu: doing that statement works fine... removed the file bar. |
| 03:26.01 | simonlnu | that was just an example ;) |
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| 03:26.10 | TheWarden | I'm assuming by those instructions that one is to replace the username and password with your VPN username and password... mm |
| 03:26.26 | TheWarden | simonlnu: yeah I know... trying that method to see. |
| 03:27.25 | simonlnu | :) |
| 03:28.14 | TheWarden | mm tried it didn't work so I ended having to do su and then it worked fine. I'm not sure I understand why that was necessary though. |
| 03:29.02 | TheWarden | So is my assumption correct that one is to replace the username and password with the corresponding vpn username and password? |
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| 03:29.45 | simonlnu | i don't know i haven't looked at that thing |
| 03:30.46 | TheWarden | oh okay, no problem... I'll fiddle with it and see what happens. |
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| 03:33.53 | karlpinc | Someone sent me a .docx file and it crashes openoffice (squeeze). While I wait for libreoffice to download from backports, what can I use to read docx if libreoffice does not work? |
| 03:34.11 | TheWarden | crappy, I do sudo ifup TunnelName and I get "Starting virtual private network daemon: TunnelName failed!" and "run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn exited with return code 1". |
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| 03:34.55 | TheWarden | libreoffice should work fine, at least is has worked fine for me openning suck documents. I left OpenOffice since Oracle bought out Sun Microsystems |
| 03:35.08 | TheWarden | such* |
| 03:35.22 | TheWarden | I'm not aware of any other document viewer for such a file at least on Linux that is. |
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| 03:35.45 | TheWarden | mmm I'm not sure what to go from here getting that error... I'm not sure if its not logging in correctly or what is happening. |
| 03:36.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: I've never had a problem before, but there's always a first time. |
| 03:36.33 | civillian | karlpinc: I believe you can extract the xml files from the docx and read the text between the markup, if you're desparate |
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| 03:36.49 | TheWarden | karlpinc: well maybe that document is corrupted |
| 03:37.04 | karlpinc | civillian: Probably not that desparate. I need to know the exact wording. :) |
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| 03:37.41 | karlpinc | TheWarden: I suppose it's possible. I'll see what libreoffice does. (Isn't it corrupted by association in any case? ;-) |
| 03:38.23 | TheWarden | lol |
| 03:39.20 | TheWarden | anyone here familar with VPNs on Linux and authenticationg to a Watchguard VPN server? I'm not sure where to go from here and this is the only real good source of a solution I've found, http://blog.microcozm.net/2010/03/watchguard-mobile-vpn-with-ssl-client.html |
| 03:39.56 | TheWarden | mm I'll verify the VPN authentication still works on my XP system. Worked yesterday but who knows now. |
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| 03:42.31 | TheWarden | yup vpn works fine on XP mmm |
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| 03:48.41 | karlpinc | Interesting. openoffice crashed but libreoffice worked. (Of course I had to get more that just libreoffice from bdo, some libraries and other stuff got updated too.) |
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| 03:54.04 | TheWarden | glad it worked for you though |
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| 03:54.54 | xr- | :) |
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| 04:04.50 | engine64 | hi all, when I start my linux installation from DVD it ask for the CD, how to tell the install that I'm using the DVD and not CD? |
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| 04:17.21 | DanDare | Hello. Just trying Squeeze. I see that I can mount a NTFS volume and write stuff to it. It's safe to use NTFS for writing in Debian nowadays ? |
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| 04:31.23 | TheWarden | DanDare: I've never had an issue |
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| 04:32.01 | DanDare | TheWarden, ok thanks. It's what a guy on #linux is just saying |
| 04:32.10 | TheWarden | engine64: that's strange it should just install, I've never heard of that happening before. Did you verify that the downloaded image was downloaded proerply? |
| 04:32.30 | TheWarden | DanDare: well I'm by no means an expert but I've never had an issue. |
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| 04:33.06 | TheWarden | DanDare: and verified that the burn was successfully done? |
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| 04:33.37 | DanDare | It's allright... even if I get some trouble using it, nothing that will ruin the entire disk or something |
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| 04:34.07 | DanDare | TheWarden, you meant engine64 |
| 04:34.50 | DanDare | I suppose :) |
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| 04:39.01 | myp | how can i fix this: http://paste.randoman.ru/4ea0f7487c640.html ? |
| 04:39.25 | aidalgol | Why has the gnome-desktop-environment package disappeared? |
| 04:39.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions gnome-desktop-environment |
| 04:39.51 | judd | Package: gnome-desktop-environment on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:2.30+11; sid: 1:3.0+2 |
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| 04:39.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | it hasn't |
| 04:40.06 | aidalgol | odd |
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| 04:40.41 | sanduz2 | hello, earlier i came here asking for an easy way to create 'snapshots' of my current OS, sort of like how VMs work. i was recommended to look into rsnapshot, lvm, rsync, btrfs, dirvish, nilfs. after looking over these im kind of confused. im not exactly sure how these things work... can anyone give me a run down? |
| 04:41.06 | aidalgol | I just get this error: http://paste.debian.net/138429/ |
| 04:41.40 | aidalgol | sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/138431/ |
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| 04:44.26 | aidalgol | I wonder if it's my mirror that's the problem. |
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| 04:45.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | what a horrible mix of sources :s |
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| 04:45.44 | george | I'm trying to extra audio from an avi file and it tells me Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 when I run the command ffmpeg -i file.avi file.mp3 |
| 04:46.38 | george | my bad when I try extracting from a .mp4 file |
| 04:46.49 | DanDare | sanduz2, to be used on TTY screens or just graphical modes ? |
| 04:48.14 | sanduz2 | DanDare, well basically im trying to accomplish restoring 'snapshots' of my server OS (tty), through whatever means necessary (even if its through my graphical laptop) |
| 04:48.45 | aidalgol | Kamping_Kaiser: The only unofficial sources I'm actually using are Mozilla and Multimedia. The others I just left there in case I needed them again. |
| 04:49.46 | DanDare | hmm, this sounds promissing sanduz2: http://www.expertslogin.com/linux-administration/linux-screen-command/ |
| 04:49.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | you have stable backports, testing, unstable and a 3rd party repo. its a horrible mix however you paint it |
| 04:49.55 | DanDare | I never tried screen that way |
| 04:49.55 | george | anyone? |
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| 04:50.34 | sanduz2 | DanDare, by snapshot i mean like a virtual machine snapshot, a file that contains the entire OS in its current state for easy restoring :P |
| 04:51.02 | DanDare | Ohsnap ! sorry |
| 04:51.16 | DanDare | cant remember of any |
| 04:51.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | aidalgol: i still don't know why you would seem to be missing the package unless your packages list is out of date (or judds is) |
| 04:52.20 | aidalgol | Kamping_Kaiser: Turns out it was the .nz mirror that was messed up. Switching to the .au one seems to have fixed the problem. |
| 04:52.33 | cardamon | I'm trying to get a ten year old game with linux binaries running on my amd64 box. Neverwinter Nights. So far it runs but the mouse is terrible. Someone has a fix that forces it to use the hardware mouse. Trying to run the script to complie what it needs I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/138409/ I check the c code for that error at that line and it just says "#include <SDL/SDL.h>" which means, I guess, that it's looking for SD |
| 04:52.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | aidalgol: nice |
| 04:52.47 | DanDare | sanduz2, making "snapshots" you can restore on other computers sounds like no possible (unless you use some VM) |
| 04:53.26 | DanDare | as far I know (and do not know much :p) |
| 04:53.29 | sanduz2 | DanDare, hm not sure about that... the guys earlier had lots of recommendations on how to accomplish this |
| 04:53.42 | sanduz2 | im just confused by all the options heh |
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| 04:54.51 | DanDare | maybe because it will be not just a "installing some package" solution but something envolving some packages plus scripting |
| 04:55.59 | linkslice | what pptp client to debian users prefer? |
| 04:56.04 | DanDare | can you imagine modprobing devices among hardware on-the-fly e.g. ? o.O |
| 04:57.33 | george | is there a certain mp3 codec or something that needs to be installed for converting to mp3 format with ffmpeg? |
| 04:57.37 | sanduz2 | DanDare, hmm you might be right. they all seemed complicated in description. do you happen to have knowledge of rsync, brtfs, rsnapshot, lvm, etc? |
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| 04:58.50 | DanDare | I dont... I do know some of rsync that is perfect for my backups,... nothing else more |
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| 05:01.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ffmpeg |
| 05:01.05 | dpkg | FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <dmm>, <libav>. |
| 05:01.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | george: ^ |
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| 05:02.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: how much downtime can you afford? it changes how you have to aproach the issue |
| 05:02.18 | george | Kamping_Kaiser, didn't know there was irc channel for ffmpeg, I'll try in there thanks |
| 05:02.53 | DanDare | I remember ffmpeg on Etch being very limited, compiled without lot of transcoding capabilities (for the proprietary part) |
| 05:02.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | george: also check with -formats to see if the ones you are trying are supported |
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| 05:03.29 | sanduz2 | Kamping_Kaiser, the minimum possible, but im more interested in knowing the methods used by each of those tools, because my needs are somewhat dynamic. but their descriptions are confusing... and they all seem to work differently making it even worse |
| 05:04.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: well, yes. a filesystem snapshot (btrfs and lvm) work entirely differently to file level (rsnapshot and rsync) |
| 05:04.05 | george | Kamping_Kaiser, DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3 |
| 05:04.23 | george | Kamping_Kaiser, D mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 QuickTime/MPEG-4/Motion JPEG 2000 format |
| 05:04.31 | george | not sure what it means, whether it's supported |
| 05:04.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | george: no idea, i've not used ffmpeg directly |
| 05:05.11 | sanduz2 | Kamping_Kaiser, i see. how exactly do each of them get setup and used? i made out that i might need an extra partition where those 'snapshots' live or something? so confused heh |
| 05:05.17 | george | Kamping_Kaiser, seems like the ffmpeg channel is kind of dead right now lol, ehh, let me see if I can figure it out |
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| 05:06.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: sorry, not going to try and explain that on irc, those are questions answered by google (or if you insist on irc, by the relevant projects channels) |
| 05:07.11 | sanduz2 | Kamping_Kaiser, i went to their respective sites but most of them are just interested in telling you how to install them in a long tutorial rather than describing them succinctly... thanks though ill try looking some more |
| 05:08.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: good luck with it |
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| 05:09.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | sanduz2: i'd also suggests some sysadmin/high availablility websites for info on that stuff |
| 05:09.19 | sanduz2 | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks |
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| 05:13.21 | bendbanks | Hi All getting this after install - ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 05:13.30 | TheWarden | DanDare: sorry about the confusion. Yes I meant engine64 |
| 05:13.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | bendbanks: check the readme.debian, i'm guessing its off by default |
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| 05:16.36 | DanDare | bendbanks, yeah this may help http://www.proftpd.org/docs/howto/ConfigFile.html You may need to set "ServerType" configuration directive on conf file |
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| 05:22.11 | bendbanks | thanks guys |
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| 05:27.50 | TheWarden | good night |
| 05:27.52 | unkmar | anyone awake? |
| 05:28.12 | unkmar | What is currently the newest/latest version of debian? |
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| 05:29.10 | DanDare | unkmar: Squeeze. See channel topic |
| 05:29.31 | DanDare | newest stable |
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| 06:29.28 | BLUG_Fred | hi! i'm having a bit of problem with the step described in 4.3.1 on this page: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 06:30.11 | BLUG_Fred | namely the cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX doesn't give me a bootable stick |
| 06:30.11 | BLUG_Fred | (+sync) |
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| 06:32.04 | somiaj | why isn't it bootable? Have you tried to mount the file system, did an md5 sum on your .iso to make sure its not corrupt? |
| 06:32.04 | BLUG_Fred | i tried with debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso and debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 06:32.42 | BLUG_Fred | somiaj: so yes I did a md5 check and did mount the stick |
| 06:32.56 | BLUG_Fred | somiaj: I actually don't know why it's not booting. |
| 06:33.36 | BLUG_Fred | i also tried burning a CD but ended up with reading errors. all in all I have not been very successful at any attempt I made |
| 06:33.46 | BLUG_Fred | what should I be looking for? |
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| 06:34.23 | not_bad_man_haha | what is the difference between syslinux and isolinux? |
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| 06:36.41 | BLUG_Fred | and i think at one point I managed using another method to get the usb stick to boot but then the installer was looking for the files in the CD drive and not on the stick |
| 06:37.27 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, did u try pendrive? |
| 06:37.36 | boudiccas | !u |
| 06:37.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:37.47 | BLUG_Fred | yagoo: what is pendrive? (so obviously no, i didn't) |
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| 06:38.39 | BLUG_Fred | yagoo: that pendrive: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
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| 06:39.06 | BLUG_Fred | i am actually trying to install to a server from a pendrive, not to one |
| 06:39.36 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, i think it supports up to 6.0.1 |
| 06:40.09 | BLUG_Fred | yagoo: what do you mean? I am not sure to understand correctly |
| 06:40.35 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, not all usb creators make the installer properly (sometimes they modify important config files) |
| 06:40.42 | yagoo | (and they may do so improperly) |
| 06:40.52 | BLUG_Fred | yagoo: i see |
| 06:41.13 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, i suggest try making a usb install media.. and test it under vmware /virtualbox.. |
| 06:41.15 | BLUG_Fred | so the one which worked didn't get the CD/USB replacement right |
| 06:41.27 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, i guess so.. |
| 06:41.32 | BLUG_Fred | yagoo: so sure. How do I make a USB install media? |
| 06:41.42 | BLUG_Fred | that's what is failing for me |
| 06:42.09 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, i know they always suck at leaving usb creation at experimentation (at least for the past year or so).. they just go broke.. |
| 06:43.00 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, u have an 6.0.1 iso ? |
| 06:43.06 | BLUG_Fred | i see.. well i will try some other method then. maybe the manual one |
| 06:43.11 | BLUG_Fred | no |
| 06:43.30 | BLUG_Fred | only 6.0.2 and 6.0.3. But I can surely try to find 6.0.1 if that works |
| 06:43.37 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 06:43.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:44.24 | BLUG_Fred | wow.. the bot is... almost abusive in here! |
| 06:44.25 | yagoo | BLUG_Fred, this the manual method you're talking about ? http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 06:45.13 | BLUG_Fred | yagoo: no. I was thinking of sectin 4.3.3 from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 06:48.39 | Guthur | is there a file similar to .profile that is evaluate when the display manager first loads |
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| 06:48.53 | Guthur | ie. before the logon screen is displayed |
| 06:49.04 | simonlnu | !.xsession |
| 06:49.05 | dpkg | it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 06:49.25 | Guthur | cool, cheer simonlnu |
| 06:50.25 | Guthur | should i place it in /etc |
| 06:50.54 | Guthur | or root |
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| 06:51.06 | Guthur | root $HOME |
| 06:51.36 | aussa | hi, my laptop's cd unit is not working, does not detect the discs, checked fstab, and the mount line is there, any suggestion to solve this? I'm using wheezy |
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| 06:53.03 | boudiccas | uasa get a new unit |
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| 06:56.47 | simonlnu | Guthur: ~/ |
| 06:57.00 | simonlnu | Guthur: not root, your user's |
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| 06:57.22 | simonlnu | and don't run an x session as root either |
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| 06:58.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | aussa: chreck dmesg |
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| 07:01.53 | simonlnu | !running x as root |
| 07:01.53 | dpkg | methinks running x as root is suicidal due to issues with external security exploits - and yes, they *do* happen in all variants of *n?x, Debian or otherwise - though the developers try to beat them down. Instead, log in as normal and either do 'su' or 'sudo'. Ask me about <root x> for alternatives. |
| 07:02.38 | simonlnu | there used to be one that quoted something branden robinson said i still find appropriate |
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| 07:03.17 | simonlnu | something about a large suid binary running arbitrary subprocesses is bound to have problems |
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| 07:07.07 | rst | anyone have any suggestions for reading material to resolve my complete fail of understanding bridges, physical nics, virtual nics, iptables, etc...interaction |
| 07:07.33 | rst | with the spawning of virtualization, i find myself having to deal with bridges often |
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| 07:07.51 | boudiccas | rst; google |
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| 07:09.21 | rst | mmm, sometimes there are iconic documents and someone googling by chance will have to wade through a lot of crap before they find them |
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| 07:12.14 | boudiccas | rst; if you refuse to google then try asking the mailing list where you'll also get meaningful documentation. |
| 07:12.50 | rst | but i do not refuse to google |
| 07:13.00 | rst | [/going nowhere conversation] |
| 07:13.24 | boudiccas | rst; dont be a semantic prat! |
| 07:14.11 | simonlnu | don't resort to ad hominems |
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| 07:35.41 | daniel-s | hi |
| 07:35.51 | daniel-s | I have a USB flash drive |
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| 07:36.03 | daniel-s | I'm not 100% of the physical integrity of the drive |
| 07:36.11 | daniel-s | is there a way to scan/check it? |
| 07:37.07 | boudiccas | daniel-s; off topic for this channel |
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| 07:38.47 | boudiccas | daniel-s; hardware problems should be taken elsewhere, but i dont know where |
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| 07:40.06 | HauM1 | daniel-s: what do you mean by physical integrity? |
| 07:40.25 | daniel-s | I think badblocks is the command I want |
| 07:40.35 | daniel-s | but I don't know if it's for floppy disks only |
| 07:41.05 | daniel-s | I just want a test that writes a whole bunch of 1s and 0s to every sector on the disk |
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| 07:41.16 | daniel-s | then reads them back, making sure that they're the same |
| 07:42.03 | HauM1 | daniel-s: thas quite easy |
| 07:42.25 | PerfDave | daniel-s: Modern devices like flash drives have some weirdnesses that means that might not be appropriate - I'd try asking ##linux or looking for TRIM utilities |
| 07:43.02 | HauM1 | daniel-s: dd if=/dev/zero of=/your-USB size=1M count=1000 |
| 07:43.09 | daniel-s | PerfDave: are you referring to the way the drive manages wear levelling and things like htat? |
| 07:43.11 | stepkrav | is it wise to install the new version of rkhunter from sourceforge? Any conflict with the debian pre-installed package ? |
| 07:43.42 | daniel-s | PerfDave: the fact that the same sector may not always correspond to the same physical location on the disk? |
| 07:43.45 | boudiccas | stepkrav; no, probably |
| 07:43.49 | HauM1 | daniel-s: make a md5sum of /your-USB |
| 07:43.55 | daniel-s | because that just occured to me |
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| 07:53.43 | rst | stepkrav: nah, though i suggest using something like stow so you can efficently manage it when it comes time to upgrade it |
| 07:54.06 | rst | stepkrav: you can do what you want in /usr/local and be confident it won't interfer with debian |
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| 07:58.07 | lorenzosu | Hello. A friend would like to install debian but he is contrained with wifi so he can't do a net install. Which DVD would he need for offline installation with DE? |
| 07:58.13 | lorenzosu | *constrained |
| 07:58.24 | rst | the first one |
| 07:58.32 | boudiccas | lorenzosu; one |
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| 07:59.13 | lorenzosu | rst, boudiccas: thanks. only #1 is what i had assumed but always did the net install so wanted to be 100% sure. |
| 07:59.31 | boudiccas | lorenzosu; you're welcome |
| 07:59.35 | kenifanying | hi all, which driver should i install in squeeze? lspci -v | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M92 LP [Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 08:00.17 | streuner | !ati |
| 08:00.17 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 08:02.38 | bladedpenguin|2 | Can anyone recomend an open Exchange client? |
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| 08:03.13 | bladedpenguin|2 | I just installed thunderbird, but it seems that it just does email. |
| 08:03.25 | Bzek | Hello. I've purged postgresql. And now I want to install it. But after installation no /etc/postgresql ;( How to reinstall postgresql properly? |
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| 08:03.35 | blast_hardcheese | bladedpenguin|2: What were you expecting? |
| 08:03.36 | kenifanying | streuner, sorry, more details, i have find xserver-xorg-video-radeon, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd,and xserver-xorg-video-ati, but i can not confirm which one is the correct. sorry for my english! |
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| 08:04.28 | somiaj | kenifanying: -radeon will most likely be the one you want, but you can install all three and xorg will use the one it detects |
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| 08:05.01 | kenifanying | somiaj, thanks:-) |
| 08:05.10 | bladedpenguin|2 | blast_hardcheese: my employer runs microsoft exchange, so I need something that will work with our servers |
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| 08:05.14 | kenifanying | Bzek, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename |
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| 08:05.20 | streuner | kenifanying: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 08:06.37 | blast_hardcheese | bladedpenguin|2: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=thunderbird+exchange |
| 08:06.43 | blast_hardcheese | First two links seem interesting |
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| 08:07.25 | Bzek | kenifanying: Thank you. But it doesn't help. :( Weird. |
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| 08:08.03 | kenifanying | streuner, thanks, i have looked up it, but i don't know radeon hd 4300 belong to which family. |
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| 08:09.12 | somiaj | kenifanying: I have a 4200 hd that works just fine with the free radeon drivers |
| 08:09.22 | bladedpenguin|2 | blast_hardcheese: Thanks I figured I'd have to get a different program. |
| 08:09.30 | kenifanying | Bzek, have you try aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall postgresql-common? |
| 08:10.00 | Bzek | kenifanying: O, yes! I needed postgresql-common. thank you very much. All is ok now. |
| 08:10.07 | blast_hardcheese | bladedpenguin|2: Not a problem :) The nice thing about Mozilla software is the crazy amount of plugins. |
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| 08:11.10 | fasta | How can I have a USB external harddisk mounted at boot at the same place and when it happens to be removd and inserted again, it should be mounted at the same place again. |
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| 08:11.38 | fasta | When I go to 'Computer' in Gnome, it isn't even listed. |
| 08:11.55 | fasta | I am sure that if I remove it and plug it in again, that it is automounted. |
| 08:11.58 | somiaj | fasta: where is it mounted? |
| 08:12.07 | fasta | somiaj: it currently isn't. |
| 08:12.18 | fasta | somiaj: something like /mnt/foobar would be ok. |
| 08:12.27 | fasta | somiaj: /media/foobar would also be ok. |
| 08:12.48 | blip2 | is it listed in lsusb? |
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| 08:12.59 | somiaj | fasta: you can set up a mount point via its uuid in /etc/fstab to make it mount at boot. I don't know what you have to do to ensure the automounter knows to mount it in the same place. |
| 08:13.47 | fasta | blip2: I don't recognize it as such. |
| 08:13.49 | blast_hardcheese | fasta: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs might be helpful. |
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| 08:14.21 | Bushmills | fasta: usbmount, and use the symlink in /var/run/usbmount which is named after the device |
| 08:14.34 | blip2 | fasta: if its not listed under lsusb when plugged in you'll need some drivers or something |
| 08:14.45 | Bushmills | you can symlink to that symlink, to have the device mount anywhere you like |
| 08:15.05 | fasta | blip2: if I unplug it and plug it in again, it is detected. |
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| 08:15.32 | fasta | I would hope that this signal can be simulated in some way too. |
| 08:17.04 | boudiccas | fasta; signal? what signal? |
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| 08:17.59 | fasta | boudiccas: the signal 'plug device in, plug device out' |
| 08:18.32 | blast_hardcheese | Probably something in udev to do that |
| 08:18.57 | fasta | blast_hardcheese: I am not the first one with an external harddrive, am I? |
| 08:19.46 | blast_hardcheese | fasta: It's kind of weird, yeah |
| 08:19.57 | blast_hardcheese | this whole concept of "removable devices" |
| 08:20.11 | blast_hardcheese | fasta: On a serious note, did you read my link? |
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| 08:20.27 | fasta | blast_hardcheese: I was reading it. |
| 08:21.30 | boudiccas | fasta; i have an external usb h/d which is mounted in one of two places, either /media/disk/ or /media/usb. its no problem to write a script to cover both eventualities |
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| 08:22.34 | blast_hardcheese | boudiccas: Gah, you run a script every time your device is connected? |
| 08:22.43 | blast_hardcheese | boudiccas: That's exactly what automounter is for |
| 08:23.13 | somiaj | I don't use auto mountaing, but with uuid and fstab my usb drivers always are mounted in the same place because of being able to almost uniqulayy identify them. I'm sure automounter can work with this to ensure the very paticular external hd's get mounted in the same spot |
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| 08:23.50 | boudiccas | blast_hardcheese; my script is called every three hours for backup |
| 08:24.04 | blast_hardcheese | eep. |
| 08:24.34 | blast_hardcheese | So, you have one external hard drive that mounts in either /media/disk or /media/usb and you have no control over where it's mounted? |
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| 08:25.01 | boudiccas | i dont bother with it, it works and isnt broken so it doesnt need fixing |
| 08:25.22 | blast_hardcheese | I would consider that broken |
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| 08:25.49 | blast_hardcheese | What happens if you connect a second disk, perhaps a friend's disk or something, and it mounts in the other of the two slots? |
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| 08:26.09 | boudiccas | i dont do it |
| 08:26.18 | blast_hardcheese | Much better to actually properly configure your system to mount the disk as /mnt/backup or something and then you know exactly where the disk is. |
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| 08:48.05 | wfu4422 | i need help with MGA drivers and a matrox g450 quad card |
| 08:48.17 | Bushmills | or have it mounted such that a symlink to the mount point is created, with a fixed name |
| 08:48.17 | blast_hardcheese | wfu4422: Neat! |
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| 08:48.59 | wfu4422 | it would be neat if it worked, now it only gets 1 of 4 displays working |
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| 08:49.17 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: while checking the filesystem identifier or something similar. |
| 08:49.36 | wfu4422 | this is the LAST thing i need to get working to make the switch to linux on my primary system.... |
| 08:49.46 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: the mentioned usbmount does that already through its mount script |
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| 08:50.39 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Sorry, I'm not very familiar with automount, is that part of autofs/automount, or was that part of the script he wrote? |
| 08:50.51 | off_by_one | Hey, I'm new to Linux and am having issues with flash. When I have my browser open for extended amounts of time, the audio eventually stops working. Any ideas on what I can try to fix this? Sorry for asking such a noob question >< |
| 08:50.59 | Bushmills | nope. it builds on udev |
| 08:51.25 | blast_hardcheese | Gotcha. |
| 08:51.42 | Bushmills | just a handful of scripts hooking into udev rules |
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| 08:52.10 | blast_hardcheese | off_by_one: Are you using gnash or flash-plugin-nonfree? |
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| 08:55.25 | blast_hardcheese | off_by_one: You can find out by typing "dpkg -l | grep flashplugin" and looking at the results. |
| 08:55.50 | off_by_one | yes, I have flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:56.47 | blast_hardcheese | Gotcha. You can use update-flashplugin-nonfree as root to pull down the latest flashplugin from Adobe, but beyond that I don't really know how to troubleshoot how it works with your sound system. |
| 08:56.54 | blast_hardcheese | @ off_by_one |
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| 08:57.29 | off_by_one | Ok, I'll do that. Thanks |
| 08:58.39 | blast_hardcheese | off_by_one: Not a problem. I'm sure someone would be able to help you out if you stuck around long enough, but I think most of this channel is in the US, which is currently experiencing heavy nightfall. |
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| 09:00.09 | off_by_one | Thanks, I'll stick around :) |
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| 09:13.26 | howtoo | hello, O |
| 09:13.47 | howtoo | ups.. I've got a problem with a package not reinstalling config files |
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| 09:14.17 | wfu4422 | i need help with MGA drivers and a matrox g450 quad card |
| 09:14.20 | howtoo | the package use ucf and, I need a little help cleaning the ucf cache for the right config files |
| 09:14.56 | themill | ucf confmiss |
| 09:15.00 | themill | !ucf confmiss |
| 09:15.00 | dpkg | If you need to restore a deleted config file in a package that is using <ucf> to manage its configuration files, use "UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall $packagename". List the configuration files managed by ucf with "ucfq $packagename". If the package doesn't use ucf then ask me about <confmiss>. |
| 09:15.33 | howtoo | ah, thanks a bunch! |
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| 09:18.53 | mkad | Hi |
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| 09:18.59 | mkad | what is current java in Debian ? |
| 09:19.08 | mkad | I want to start webstart application |
| 09:19.23 | mkad | but its not starting and I dont know how to debug that |
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| 09:20.32 | somiaj | there are various java's in debian. There is open java and suns non-free java |
| 09:20.40 | somiaj | mkad: are you wanting the java plugin for your webbrowser? |
| 09:21.01 | howtoo | themill: it does not seem to work. # echo $USE_FORCE_CONFMISS returns true, but the config files are not being reinstalled |
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| 09:21.14 | jelly | mkad: .jnlp (java webstart) seems to work for me if sun-java6-plugin is installed |
| 09:21.15 | mkad | somiaj, I want to run webstart application |
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| 09:21.28 | mkad | jelly, how to debug why mine is crashing ? |
| 09:21.32 | mkad | or no starting |
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| 09:22.08 | jelly | mkad: no idea about debugging java. If you're using openjdk, it may be it's not compatible enough |
| 09:22.30 | mkad | jelly, no I am using sun's |
| 09:24.04 | mkad | jelly, :( webstart is a pain, I see no log.. or anything giving hint why application is not starting |
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| 09:24.58 | mkad | jelly, I want to start this http://www.lipidmaps.org/pathways/PathwayEditor.jnlp |
| 09:25.01 | jelly | mkad: has this particular app ever worked for you on Linux? |
| 09:25.02 | mkad | jelly, does it work for You ? |
| 09:25.14 | mkad | jelly, I dont know I just found it, and I want to use it |
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| 09:25.31 | jelly | mkad: Brocade FC switches' .jnlps work here. |
| 09:25.56 | mkad | jelly, did the windows appear ? |
| 09:26.01 | mkad | jelly, after splash |
| 09:26.09 | jelly | yes. The app works. |
| 09:26.12 | mkad | ;/ |
| 09:26.16 | jelly | mkad: does your app work on Windows or OSX? |
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| 09:26.26 | mkad | jelly, I have only Debian |
| 09:27.00 | jelly | well, then you can't figure out whether it's your setup or that app itself that is bisbehaving |
| 09:27.02 | mkad | jelly, I tried also from command line javaws.. but after splash nothing appears |
| 09:27.26 | mkad | jelly, you just said that it works for You |
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| 09:27.33 | mkad | jelly, what is your java version ? |
| 09:27.36 | mkad | then one in debian |
| 09:27.44 | jelly | mkad: I just said MY apps work. |
| 09:27.58 | mkad | jelly, ah.. not this one I posted? |
| 09:28.12 | jelly | correct |
| 09:29.06 | mkad | jelly, do you have any VM testing envrioment if You're afraid of running application's from Nature |
| 09:29.28 | Iridos | the magazine? |
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| 09:29.56 | mkad | Iridos, yes journal, lipidmaps is hosted by them |
| 09:30.14 | mkad | jelly, ok nevermind, I am going to ask collegue |
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| 09:31.07 | jelly | mkad: that one also starts fine here on Debian testing i386, sun-java6-jre, sun-java6-plugin 6.26-3 |
| 09:31.56 | mkad | jelly, sun-java6-plugin 6.26-3 but amd64 |
| 09:32.18 | mkad | and its runtime thing, not plugin thing |
| 09:32.23 | mkad | but the same version |
| 09:32.27 | mkad | ;/ |
| 09:32.33 | jelly | try i386, then |
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| 09:35.50 | wfu4422 | i need help with MGA drivers and a matrox g450 quad card on 11.04 |
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| 09:36.21 | Bushmills | what is "11.04"? |
| 09:36.36 | streuner | ubuntu, prolly |
| 09:37.06 | Bushmills | can't imagine - why would someone repeatingly ask ubuntu questions on #debian? |
| 09:37.10 | jelly | wfu4422: use the #ubuntu channel |
| 09:37.39 | jelly | wfu4422: if they don't know, you may try ##linux, but this channel is not appropriate |
| 09:37.47 | Bushmills | that's like looking for the breakfast milk in the laundry machine |
| 09:37.48 | syslq | jelly: why? |
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| 09:37.59 | jelly | syslq: why what? |
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| 09:38.14 | syslq | jelly: why shouldn't he ask |
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| 09:38.46 | streuner | We support Debian NOT ubuntu here. |
| 09:38.50 | syslq | jelly: most of people here know how to solve such problems in a snap |
| 09:38.56 | jelly | !tell syslq about based on debian |
| 09:39.43 | PerfDave | syslq: If people want to support Ubuntu, they'll be in #ubuntu. |
| 09:39.46 | syslq | jelly: I understand your view, it would be neverending |
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| 09:39.49 | Bushmills | syslq: those people here wanting to help with ubuntu are probably also on #ubuntu channel |
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| 09:40.11 | jelly | syslq: the issue is at least twofold. First, derivatives distros make changes that we don't know about. Second, this channel would be flooded with support for derivatives. |
| 09:40.31 | syslq | Where I'm from, I seem to be the only one saying ubuntu and mind are not debian actually :) |
| 09:40.39 | syslq | mint <-- typo |
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| 09:40.52 | jelly | syslq: it's the channel policy. /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 09:40.55 | syslq | mhm |
| 09:41.12 | syslq | jelly: yeah, sorry, I understood after bot explanation |
| 09:41.32 | blast_hardcheese | fasta: You still around? |
| 09:41.55 | Russ | is there anyway to get upstart to stick? |
| 09:42.03 | blast_hardcheese | fasta: Try /etc/init.d/udev stop, then start again |
| 09:42.03 | fasta | blast_hardcheese: yes |
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| 09:42.44 | blast_hardcheese | I don't know if that'll make automounter rerun, there might be an equivalent control system available for that |
| 09:43.30 | blast_hardcheese | but when udev first starts (ie: not restart) it reads all the configuration files and sets up device nodes and such appropriately |
| 09:43.47 | themill | howtoo: did you export the variable so that the subprocess sees it? Are you reinstalling the right package? (the one that actually contains the config file in question) |
| 09:43.50 | blast_hardcheese | I'm never rebooting again |
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| 09:45.25 | blast_hardcheese | fasta: Anyway, going to bed now. Good luck. |
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| 09:47.18 | howtoo | themill: yes, I did. I also found a similar method, which also did not work: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install nagiosgrapher |
| 09:47.37 | debusr | hello |
| 09:48.17 | themill | howtoo: if the file is managed by ucf then dpkg's confmiss options won't help |
| 09:49.00 | themill | howtoo: are you wanting to get back missing files or revert files that have been changed? And what files are you looking for exactly? |
| 09:49.36 | debusr | anyone can give some repository for emerald, please? |
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| 09:49.44 | howtoo | I'd like to install the original config files from the maintainer |
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| 09:50.14 | wfu4422 | sorry, i meant 6.0.3 debian. i am also playing with ubuntu 11.04. both are good, at this point i will use which ever i can get my quad card to work with. i am testing both |
| 09:50.23 | filePeter | Will dd write to a mounted drive without asking? |
| 09:50.23 | themill | howtoo: delete the current ones (or rename them) and then use "UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall nagiosgrapher" |
| 09:50.50 | howtoo | ok.. need to use apt-get though |
| 09:51.05 | themill | "need"? |
| 09:51.08 | wfu4422 | so, anyone help me with matrox g450 install on debian 6.0.3 plz ? |
| 09:51.32 | filePeter | wfu4422: Don’t ask to ask! |
| 09:51.44 | howtoo | yeah, I don't keep aptitude around since it has broken my environmet before when mixing apt-get and aptitude ;) |
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| 09:52.26 | debusr | help me with install emerald, please |
| 09:52.28 | themill | howtoo: aptitude hasn't had issues like that since sarge, unless you mean "pebkac" ones.... "UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true apt-get --reinstall install nagiosgrapher" should work too. |
| 09:52.53 | howtoo | themill: hehe, well, could've been either =) |
| 09:53.07 | howtoo | themill: but, thanks a bunch, worked like a charm now |
| 09:53.19 | howtoo | don't know what I did wrong earlier |
| 09:53.38 | themill | probably not exporting that environment variable (or not deleting the old config file) |
| 09:54.07 | howtoo | well, I'll write it down for next time. Thanks for your time =) |
| 09:54.50 | themill | np, have fun |
| 09:55.12 | wfu4422 | i didnt ask to ask. i was asking |
| 09:56.17 | themill | dpkg: tell wfu4422 about ask |
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| 09:56.26 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 09:56.36 | debusr | hello |
| 09:56.48 | themill | wfu4422: no-one is going to volunteer to help you like that. Try asking something specific as dpkg suggested. |
| 09:57.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | wfu4422: you reinstalled debian from ubuntu in the last 10 minutes? |
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| 09:58.29 | Azrael_- | got a big problem, in my backup i wanted to omit sys and proc but didn't put it right, so i also omitted e.g. /usr/include/sys . system crashed, restored it, and now i miss some files. suggestions how i can recreate it? |
| 10:00.40 | wfu4422 | no, i have tried debian and ubuntu both, failed to get the card to work in either, then came here to ask. |
| 10:01.08 | wfu4422 | i dont care which i use, as long as i can get the card to work, ubuntu and debian are both good |
| 10:01.37 | themill | wfu4422: you could start by actually running debian, then we'd be able to find out what xorg etc you're running |
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| 10:02.55 | wfu4422 | i would be using a fresh install of 6.0.3 debian. |
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| 10:03.32 | themill | so boot into that and then come and ask |
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| 10:04.39 | wfu4422 | "I have a problem with __Matrox G450 driver install_; I'm running Debian version __6.0.3_. When I try to do __matrox official driver install_ I get the following output _your version of xserver is not supported__. I expected it to do _the install and have all 4 screens working rather than the 1 that is currently working__. |
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| 10:05.57 | wfu4422 | should i downgrade xserver? if so how? |
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| 10:06.16 | Zentoo | soyuz taking off: mplayer -cache 4096 -cache-min 5 mms://wms.190E.edgecastcdn.net/20190E/AE_FR_IP201 |
| 10:06.24 | Zentoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.30 | Zentoo | soyuz web live : http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index_fr.php?langue=fr |
| 10:07.52 | PerfDave | wfu4422: What do you mean by the "matrox official driver"? Generally installing graphics drivers that aren't Debian-provided is a bad idea (see also: nvidia, ati) |
| 10:08.05 | wfu4422 | ignore the how.. is downgrading xserver so the orginal matrox driver will work a good solution. or would it be better to try and get the moddified matrox drivers i found to work? |
| 10:08.38 | wfu4422 | matrox has drivers for linux on their support site... thats what i mean by official |
| 10:08.48 | wfu4422 | they are old though |
| 10:08.53 | wfu4422 | 2006 i think |
| 10:09.21 | PerfDave | wfu4422: Downgrading your X server (a) won't work (b) isn't a good diea. |
| 10:09.29 | PerfDave | Using 5-year-old "official" drivers also sounds like a bad idea. |
| 10:09.47 | wfu4422 | yes, none of my options are great |
| 10:10.08 | babilen | !mga_hal |
| 10:10.08 | dpkg | The binary-only mga_hal module is produced by <Matrox>, providing extra functionality in open and closed source drivers for G400/450/550 video cards, including support for DualHead and TV-out on G400, DVI support on G450/550 cards. Not packaged for Debian, available from http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/drivers/latest/ . |
| 10:10.18 | babilen | wfu4422, PerfDave: ^^^ fwiw |
| 10:11.01 | PerfDave | wfu4422: I'd try to find whether the free driver can do what you want, rather than Matrox's nonfree one. |
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| 10:11.32 | babilen | (all horribly outdated) -- I guess that xserver-xorg-video-mga is the way to go even though it does not provide all features and requires firmware |
| 10:11.43 | babilen | !matrox |
| 10:11.43 | dpkg | Matrox is a video card component and equipment producer. The Matrox open source display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-mga. Support of the G400's second head requires the binary-only <mga_hal> module, it may also be necessary for DVI output in other cards. As of Squeeze, Matrox G200 and G400/G550 WARP engine <microcode> (g200_warp.fw, g400_warp.fw) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree; ask me about <non-free sources>. |
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| 10:12.37 | ishish | hi all |
| 10:12.47 | babilen | wfu4422: So, which version of xserver-xorg-core do you have installed? (dpkg -l|tail -n 1) Which version is required/support by matrox? Do you *need* those features? Is acquiring hardware that doesn't belong in a museum an option? |
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| 10:13.45 | wfu4422 | its a quad card, thats the only reason i use it. |
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| 10:15.35 | wfu4422 | thanks for your help all, i am going to reinstall and try again. |
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| 10:40.03 | kdawg | hey guys how are yeah |
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| 10:43.10 | petemc | yes |
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| 10:48.46 | infernix | meh. i upgraded sun-java6-* in lenny from 6-12-1 to the latest (6-26), now java terminates with SIGKILL whenever i run it |
| 10:48.50 | infernix | gdb yields nothing |
| 10:50.58 | infernix | what the what >.< |
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| 10:54.54 | infernix | downgrades |
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| 10:56.16 | infernix | mehhh |
| 10:56.27 | infernix | dist-upgrades |
| 10:56.52 | PerfDave | Obviously this will solve all your problems :p |
| 10:57.23 | infernix | facepalms |
| 10:57.29 | Zharf | just dist-upgraded his sid too |
| 10:57.30 | infernix | i am a fool |
| 10:57.33 | infernix | forgot about grsec on this box |
| 10:57.47 | infernix | grsec: From 83.96.151.193: denied resource overstep by requesting 4096 for RLIMIT_CORE against limit 0 for /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/jre/bin/java |
| 10:57.49 | infernix | never mind |
| 10:57.51 | infernix | :> |
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| 11:07.03 | debusr | so, somebody help me? |
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| 11:08.16 | PerfDave | !tell debusr -about ask |
| 11:08.35 | filePeter | !tell filePeter -about ask |
| 11:09.01 | PerfDave | !tell filePeter -about selftell |
| 11:09.08 | babilen | debusr: There is very little we can do if you don't tell us *exactly* what your problem is. ;) Try to be as informative as possible and provide applicable information on a pastebin such asn http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:10.21 | debusr | i was asking.... i need help with install deb pakages, actualy with emerald install |
| 11:10.55 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.03 | nkuttler | i've scrolled up one screen and still see no question |
| 11:11.19 | filePeter | nkuttler: me too |
| 11:11.37 | PerfDave | debusr: What's emerald, how are you trying to install it, what's happening and what do you expect to happen? |
| 11:11.44 | PerfDave | debusr: Also, which version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:12.17 | debusr | squeeze |
| 11:12.37 | debusr | ok.... i try to tell:) |
| 11:12.44 | baccenfutter | I am trying to move a debian install from a raid array to another raid array. both arrays are on the same controller, thus I have c0d0 and c0d1. I copied the entire os excluding {/dev,/proc,/sys} to the new array, which I've mounted under /chroot. My new /boot partition is c0d0p1 (primary with 512M) I mounted that under /chroot/boot. Everything is copied, {dev,proc,sys} are bind mounted into the chroot and I have chrooted. Now I am having |
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| 11:13.39 | debusr | i download from http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/ emerald and i add to repository this link\ |
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| 11:14.28 | PerfDave | debusr: What do you mean by "add to repository this link"? |
| 11:14.49 | debusr | when i add and then apt update and then try to install emerald i see error "emerald not found" |
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| 11:15.07 | PerfDave | debusr: Please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:15.42 | konverguoju | hi all, what would be the software name for laptop camera video recording? |
| 11:16.00 | debusr | ok |
| 11:16.09 | filePeter | debusr: http://whatismyv6.com/ |
| 11:16.15 | konverguoju | would you recommend any? |
| 11:16.15 | arghx | konverguoju: cheese maybe? |
| 11:16.32 | filePeter | debusr: Sorry... Damn gnome terminal.... |
| 11:16.32 | arghx | ,info cheese |
| 11:16.34 | judd | Package cheese (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam. Version: 2.30.1-2; Size: 133.9k; Installed: 316k; Homepage: http://live.gnome.org/Cheese/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/cheese |
| 11:16.44 | babilen | debusr: fwiw -- That repository has last been updated in 2008 -- What are you really trying to achieve? |
| 11:17.01 | filePeter | debusr: There is not sqeeze in the repository you mentioned... |
| 11:17.14 | filePeter | debusr: apt-get update might have told you |
| 11:17.18 | debusr | ok...how to install? |
| 11:17.18 | babilen | debusr: It is also typically a very bad idea to add random repositories to your sources.list as there almost always better ways to achieve one's goal without resorting to that. |
| 11:17.29 | babilen | debusr: Install what? |
| 11:17.36 | debusr | emerald |
| 11:17.56 | konverguoju | thanks :] |
| 11:18.02 | debusr | where i can paste sources.list? |
| 11:18.15 | baccenfutter | http:paste.pocoo.org/ |
| 11:18.19 | baccenfutter | http://paste.pocoo.org/ |
| 11:18.25 | debusr | thanks |
| 11:18.33 | konverguoju | babilen: record a video :] |
| 11:18.35 | babilen | debusr: http://paste.debian.net is another option |
| 11:18.42 | arghx | emerald has been disconinued for ages now, no? |
| 11:19.08 | hid3 | Good afternoon everyone. Is there any way to rescan for SCSI drive changes while the system is running? I want to conenct a few drives to the B SCSI channel. In Solaris there's `format` command which rescans and finds them. Wonder if anything similar is in Debian |
| 11:19.19 | babilen | *shrug* /me never cared about that -- #compiz might know |
| 11:19.49 | debusr | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/496011/ |
| 11:20.44 | arghx | debusr: ubuntu repos are totally unsupported and a quick way to need a reinstall |
| 11:20.51 | lyte | hid3: 'kpartx -a /dev/<something>' |
| 11:21.08 | konverguoju | aargh somewhy cheese doesnt start |
| 11:21.36 | arghx | konverguoju: start it inside an xterm so you see any error messages it might show |
| 11:21.37 | konverguoju | it just shows loading mouse pointer and then stops, no window appears :[ |
| 11:21.47 | konverguoju | ok, thanx |
| 11:21.53 | debusr | can you tell me? |
| 11:22.16 | debusr | about where can i install emerald? |
| 11:22.20 | PerfDave | debusr: You're not running Debian, you're running some horrible blend of Debian and Ubuntu by the looks of it. |
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| 11:22.44 | PerfDave | You've got Ubuntu Feisty repositories in your sources |
| 11:22.49 | arghx | debusr: you cannot. it's a dead project which just doesn't exist anymore |
| 11:23.10 | arghx | debusr: nowadays, there is only compiz anymore., nothing else |
| 11:23.45 | debusr | why? yesterday i was installed |
| 11:24.45 | Iridos | PerfDave, actually it's a ppa... which usually only hosts a single source package, perhaps its dependencies |
| 11:24.46 | debusr | but i need install again, becouse my hdd is crash |
| 11:24.47 | konverguoju | how do I copy text from an xterm window? :/ |
| 11:25.10 | thewanderer11 | konverguoju: mark it with the mouse and paste using the middle mouse button? |
| 11:25.40 | konverguoju | marking it should copy it, aye? |
| 11:25.49 | thewanderer11 | yes, kind of |
| 11:25.56 | konverguoju | if so, then it, for some reason, doesn't :D |
| 11:26.02 | Bushmills | debusr: good opportunity to avoid the distribution mix which you had before |
| 11:26.06 | thewanderer11 | I think it uses a different buffer than Ctrl+C / Ctrl+V, though |
| 11:26.18 | Iridos | it does |
| 11:26.30 | thewanderer11 | hmm works for me |
| 11:26.55 | thewanderer11 | the text needs to be still marked when pasting it seems |
| 11:27.20 | Iridos | use autocusel to syncronize primary selection and clipboard |
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| 11:27.38 | konverguoju | ok, would you mind specifyng the particular actions you do? :/ (makes me feel kind of retarded) |
| 11:27.41 | debusr | compiz i was installed, now i need only emerald..... ok... how to install 2 deb pakages at the same time? |
| 11:27.43 | Iridos | (actually need to run it twice to synchronize both ways) |
| 11:27.48 | babilen | debusr: emerald is *dead* and has been replaced with fusion -- There is absolutely no point in trying to get it to run. |
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| 11:28.27 | debusr | with fusion?.... no understand... |
| 11:28.29 | serxoz | Hola, alguien sabe de algun navegador web para poner en un cacharro con el procesador wm8505 |
| 11:28.36 | thewanderer11 | konverguoju: switch focus to xterm window, mark the text's beginning and end, click with middle mouse button where you want it to be pasted (some programs like gedit do not accept MMB which is silly) |
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| 11:29.39 | Iridos | konverguoju, if you want to paste something for us to see into a pastebin, I recommend you install pastebinit anyway |
| 11:30.11 | filePeter | debusr: babilen said: "Dont't install emerald! - Install fusion!" |
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| 11:30.42 | debusr | ok.... where can i get fusion? |
| 11:30.43 | babilen | !tell debusr -about compiz |
| 11:31.19 | konverguoju | Iridos: thanks for the tip :] man, can't copy it, anyway, what does the middle mouse button do? is it bound to any shortcut? because mine doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 11:32.36 | Iridos | konverguoju, no. it's just a button (well, or a wheel, which makes it 3 buttons one on press, two for wheel-up and wheel-down) and X uses it to paste |
| 11:33.00 | Iridos | konverguoju, or mostly a wheel these days anyway :) |
| 11:33.49 | Iridos | konverguoju, you can also try pressing left and right mouse button at the same time instead of middle-button... I think it's default these days that that emulates a middle-mouse-button press |
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| 11:37.37 | debusr | what command need to write to see error in english? |
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| 11:38.10 | filePeter | debusr: What's your current language? |
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| 11:38.22 | debusr | russian |
| 11:38.54 | Iridos | konverguoju, if you have an application that just doesn't allow you to use the middle mouse button, install autocutsel, then run autocutsel -s PRIMARY&autocutsel -s CLIPBOARD& - from then on your two buffers are synchronized and you can just mark stuff in xterm and paste it in some different application that accepts ctrl-v with ctrl-v |
| 11:39.08 | Iridos | debusr, LANG=C |
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| 11:41.45 | debusr | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/496016/ |
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| 11:42.58 | filePeter | debusr: Why arre you installing emerald? |
| 11:43.11 | filePeter | debusr: We told you a hundret times not to do so. |
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| 11:44.25 | debusr | but i no understand... if not emerald.....what fusion? u mean compiz fusion? there no emerald |
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| 11:45.05 | filePeter | debusr: Yes, compiz fusion. |
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| 11:46.49 | debusr | how to make a transparent panel at the top in compiz? |
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| 11:53.10 | babilen | debusr: If you have compiz already installed and running (from Debian's repos) you might want to ask such compiz specific questions in #compiz |
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| 11:55.42 | konverguoju | have problem with cheese, on higher resolutions 1280 and higher video becomes defaced by werd blue and red layers, any of you had these problems? |
| 11:55.43 | debusr | tnanks guys for help, i was installed emerald:) |
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| 11:59.32 | babilen | debusr: *use* an up-to-date version of compiz, emerald is *dead* -- I don't understand why you are so stubborn. ;) -- If you want second opinions ask in #compiz about emerald |
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| 12:02.25 | bony | help |
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| 12:03.27 | iateadonut | i was wondering about how to hijack a wireless network? i've got two wireless routers (one extender) and they are both open and do NOT have default passwords. i'm told without encryption, anyone can look at my traffic? how? what channel do i ask that in? |
| 12:03.43 | PerfDave | iateadonut: THere's a #wireless |
| 12:04.19 | iateadonut | thanks |
| 12:04.20 | PerfDave | But really, tcpdump, aircrack-ng |
| 12:04.56 | bony | I am unable to get scim input method in gnome 3 |
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| 12:05.22 | iateadonut | oh... it's that easy. |
| 12:05.44 | filePeter | bony: Use ibus if you're on squeeze. |
| 12:06.04 | liiwi | pays to learn about the lower level technology |
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| 12:08.12 | abrotman | konverguoju: have oyu checked the BTS? |
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| 12:11.22 | rotflcopter | hi |
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| 12:12.35 | mntzn | what do options -T -r do in zabbix_server? manual doesn't mention them |
| 12:12.56 | mntzn | oh :) wrong window |
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| 12:14.10 | bony | filePeter: I was going through search pages and found one page which was mentioning about imbus but it was showing solution for fedora |
| 12:14.58 | bony | I am sorry it ibus |
| 12:15.18 | filePeter | bony: You mean Ibus?! :-) Just install ibus and ibus-gtk and ibus-pinyin for chinese if you want... |
| 12:15.45 | filePeter | bony: maybe im-switch or im-config (not sure) can help yousetting up the environment... |
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| 12:17.05 | ignotus | hi, is still the lm-sensors package the way of getting CPU temp / fan data? |
| 12:17.53 | filePeter | ignotus: At least I still use it. :-) |
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| 12:19.03 | ignotus | filePeter: all right:) I just wanted to know if there is something "hot/trendy/new"... |
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| 12:19.24 | arghx | ignotus: acpi |
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| 12:19.46 | tedo | I'm using shell command line, but I want to run it as a service. |
| 12:19.57 | tedo | shell coomand line is... |
| 12:20.22 | ignotus | arghx: ah I see, I thought it only returned battery data but it knows other stuff as well, thanks |
| 12:20.27 | konverguoju | abrotman: BTS stands for? |
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| 12:20.51 | tedo | http://pastebin.com/nKnzAvQ9 |
| 12:20.51 | arghx | tedo: please give us more info |
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| 12:21.30 | abrotman | !tell tedo about run at startup |
| 12:21.39 | bony | filePeter: Well I want telugu language which is from india |
| 12:22.00 | tedo | I think I now to make an /etc/init.d script from /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 12:22.01 | bony | filePeter: the problem is that in scim there are 5 keyboard layouts |
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| 12:22.25 | bony | I just checked with the keyboard indicated on the top right corner in gnome 3 |
| 12:22.41 | tedo | abrotman, it's not that simple as it looks like |
| 12:22.43 | bony | I can see my language keyboard layout. But i don't use this layout |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | tedo: it's not .. but it's a good skill to learn |
| 12:23.20 | konverguoju | abrotman: what does BTS stand for? |
| 12:23.24 | tedo | so, I'm trying |
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| 12:23.37 | arghx | konverguoju: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 12:24.10 | bony | How to add more keyboard layouts to this keyboad selector? I know this is very vague. I think i can get some help in #ibus channel |
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| 12:26.23 | tedo | abrotman, that init script I made is calling the other one which isn't trivial as an shell command line (for me) |
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| 12:29.00 | eviltoaster | when you are in monitor mode why is the mac address 16 blocks instead of 6? |
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| 12:32.32 | abrotman | tedo: it should be |
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| 12:34.22 | tedo | abrotman, can you help with it? |
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| 12:35.29 | thewanderer11 | I'm wondering if it's possible to send audio over HDMI on NVIDIA, dedicated GPU (not on-board). Any recent experiences with that? All articles seem to be vastly outdated. |
| 12:36.17 | filePeter | thewanderer11: Is there an audio in on your graphics card? :-) That's what I'd been doing... |
| 12:36.21 | PerfDave | thewanderer11: Does ALSA recognise it as a sound device? |
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| 12:36.44 | abrotman | tedo: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 12:36.53 | thewanderer11 | PerfDave: the issue is, I'm not buying "it" (being a HDMI GPU) before I know it works :P |
| 12:37.14 | abrotman | did you ask #nvidia ? |
| 12:37.16 | tedo | GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 12:37.16 | tedo | aborting... |
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| 12:37.29 | thewanderer11 | abrotman: hmm no, nice tip, thanks |
| 12:37.37 | filePeter | thewanderer11: In fact there are converters that take dvi and audio in and have a hdmi out. |
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| 12:38.21 | thewanderer11 | filePeter: yeah but I'm trying to keep this at low complexity *and* low budget |
| 12:38.38 | abrotman | would settle for an apple craptastic video connector+audio to hdmi .. where the video out actually works on a tv ... |
| 12:39.17 | filePeter | thewanderer11: Ok. Just said it in case the hdmi cable is already inside the wall... |
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| 12:40.02 | thewanderer11 | abrotman: accepting any suggestions as long as it works and is not expensive |
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| 12:40.57 | abrotman | thewanderer11: that's a problem for me .. not you :) |
| 12:41.08 | filePeter | thewanderer11: Maybe figure out what pins are use and what signals are used and solder some lines out to hd-audio out... :-) |
| 12:41.19 | thewanderer11 | haha, I think I'll pass :P |
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| 12:42.06 | thewanderer11 | abrotman: ok, any pointers to what it would be called? and is that a DVI+35mm to HDMI or what? |
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| 12:42.21 | filePeter | thewanderer11: hdmi has digital audio |
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| 12:42.32 | thewanderer11 | right... |
| 12:42.58 | thewanderer11 | "apple craptastic" not quite easily findable :) |
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| 12:44.41 | abrotman | wtf is a 35mm ? |
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| 12:44.46 | abrotman | oh .. .eu sound jack |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | thewanderer11: are you actually working with a mac ? |
| 12:45.08 | thewanderer11 | abrotman: hell no |
| 12:45.12 | filePeter | lol |
| 12:45.26 | abrotman | i said .. *I* need the apple->hdmi converter ... |
| 12:45.41 | abrotman | smacks thewanderer11 |
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| 12:46.14 | thewanderer11 | eh :P |
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| 12:50.32 | iskywalker | Hi! |
| 12:50.44 | iskywalker | I am trying to compile nvidia cuda sdk |
| 12:51.05 | iskywalker | unfortunately it gives me an error that it could not find stubs-32.h |
| 12:51.18 | iskywalker | the problem is I am in a 64-bit system... |
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| 12:51.57 | iskywalker | what should I install? |
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| 12:52.32 | Iridos | "abrotman would settle for" didn't make that obvious, though |
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| 12:53.12 | Iridos | well... |
| 12:53.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:53.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:53.17 | Iridos | that might be a problem |
| 12:53.23 | abrotman | iskywalker: a 32bit system ? |
| 12:53.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell iskywalker -about apt-file |
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| 12:53.48 | Iridos | --> libc6-dev: /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h |
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| 12:54.08 | abrotman | judd: file stubs-32.h --release squeeze --arch amd64 |
| 12:54.11 | judd | Search for stubs-32.h in squeeze/amd64: libc6-dev-i386: usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h |
| 12:54.15 | abrotman | cah-ching! |
| 12:54.20 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 12:54.20 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for abrotman |
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| 12:54.28 | abrotman | runs around in circles .. falls over .. pants a lot ... |
| 12:54.36 | iskywalker | ahh thx |
| 12:54.43 | Iridos | americans and beer... always the same |
| 12:54.59 | abrotman | Iridos: to be fair .. i've had some gross .eu beer :) |
| 12:55.16 | iskywalker | ok, next error... |
| 12:56.27 | Iridos | big difference in the way one falls over panting? ;) |
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| 12:58.14 | diko | close gone |
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| 12:59.03 | abrotman | i lose clothes all the time |
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| 12:59.10 | iskywalker | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/me/NVIDIA_CUDA_SDK/projects/imageDenoising' |
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| 12:59.33 | iskywalker | anyideas? |
| 12:59.39 | iskywalker | I will ask in #gcc |
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| 13:02.01 | abrotman | or ask nvidia why they don't just open sourdce it |
| 13:02.03 | abrotman | source |
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| 13:03.38 | iskywalker | I would not be the first and I do not think it would change anything |
| 13:04.23 | thewanderer11 | I think they only ever test CUDA builds with 3-year-old 32-bit Ubuntu releases |
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| 13:05.39 | chowder | hey all. I've switched from Ubuntu to debian testing and am currently running it on my laptop. I have a few minor things that I'd still like to tweak, though. For one I do not have the necessary permissions to shutdown or mount disks. Secondly, I am unable to use my wireless card. It is an intel centrino wireless-n 1000. I installed the iwlwifi firmware (believe that's the correct name). I'm not sure what else I have to do. Thanks i |
| 13:05.39 | chowder | n advance. |
| 13:05.59 | iskywalker | ok, nvcc is the problem.. |
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| 13:06.48 | abrotman | chowder: a) which groups are you in? |
| 13:07.11 | abrotman | chowder: b) what does dmesg say about your wifi card |
| 13:07.34 | abrotman | is clearly padding his lline count now |
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| 13:09.03 | daveo | aand hhis ccharacter ccount |
| 13:09.18 | chowder | abrotman: I'm part of the following groups: cdrom, audio, dip, plugdev, tape, floppy, users, scanner, lpadmin, netdev, and bluetooth. I have yet to add myself to the sudo group. |
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| 13:09.50 | abrotman | chowder: did you try /etc/shutdown.allow ? |
| 13:10.32 | chowder | abrotman: no I haven't. I've been spoiled by Ubuntu and having everything done automatically. :p |
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| 13:11.00 | chowder | abrotman: the /etc/shutdown.allow file doesn't exist on my system, though |
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| 13:12.09 | thewanderer11 | errr, I think powerdev group is for shutting down? |
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| 13:13.01 | chowder | does the debian wiki have a guide explaining the purpose of all the groups? |
| 13:14.48 | chowder | thewanderer1: its also a fresh install so maybe there's something more I have to configure. I'm not sure. I used the netinst iso and installed XFCE. I have all my favorite programs installed its just these few minor tweaks that are left. |
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| 13:15.43 | mparodi | Does anyone use the application checkgmail? it seems it stopped working in Debian testing... |
| 13:15.47 | thewanderer11 | chowder: ok but you still aren't in powerdev, add yourself to that. as for mounting, I've never used XFCE so I don't know. |
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| 13:17.45 | chowder | thewanderer1: powerdev group doesn't exist |
| 13:17.48 | boudiccas | mparodi; just have gmail open in your browser and read mail when you want |
| 13:18.04 | mparodi | it's not that comfortable :P |
| 13:18.04 | thewanderer11 | hmm, I could swear it used to |
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| 13:18.40 | chowder | thewanderer1: I too recall the powerdev group being available. I figured that it was a dbus issue or something |
| 13:18.44 | thewanderer11 | no idea about XFCE really, I'd have to know the internals to tell why it's not letting you shut down |
| 13:18.47 | boudiccas | its not a pair of slippers! its just a program and not meant to 'comfortable' |
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| 13:19.17 | chowder | thewanderer1: thanks anyway :) I'll go ask in the xfce channel |
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| 13:19.45 | thewanderer11 | mparodi: err, and what's exactly wrong with accessing it over IMAP with an ordinary mail client? |
| 13:20.40 | mparodi | well, it's an alternative but checkgmail was pretty good until it stopped working (actually I don't know if it's just here or if you have the same problem, that was the question) |
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| 13:34.47 | Cryp71c | I'm trying to connect to a WPA2-PSK wireless network on a laptop w/ the notorious BCM4312 chipset, I know I have the correct passphrase, but when I type it in, eventually it fails as if I had put in a badd password. I can connect to unsecured networks without any trouble whatsoever (I haven't tried more basic security protocols like WEP, which wouldn't be an option at - say - my work) |
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| 13:35.28 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: which driver? |
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| 13:35.54 | thewanderer11 | oh, and anyone got an idea if Flash works with PulseAudio (as in, *actually* relays sound to PA rather than ALSA)? |
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| 13:39.22 | abrotman | chowder: you may have to create it |
| 13:39.26 | abrotman | chowder: which DM are oyu using ? |
| 13:39.38 | chowder | abrotman: I'm use xfce |
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| 13:39.51 | chowder | *using |
| 13:41.40 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, I believe its b43, not wl...how can I be certain? |
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| 13:42.18 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: lspci -v and look for driver in use... or just lsmod | egrep "(wl|b43)" |
| 13:42.33 | chowder | abrotman: on a different note I'm still unable to use my wifi despite having appropriate firmware and bringing the wlan0 interface up. Should I add it to the /etc/network/interfaces file? I'm trying to access my wireless networks with wicd but nothing is showing. I'm using an intel centrino wireless-n 100 card. |
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| 13:43.29 | judgen | howdy, can i use this package in debian? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/twin |
| 13:43.46 | judgen | It wont compile on debian from source so i thought giving the binary route a go |
| 13:43.56 | judgen | but i could not find it in the debian repos |
| 13:44.00 | PerfDave | judgen: Bodging binary packages in from non-Debian distros is rarely a good idea. |
| 13:44.33 | thewanderer11 | judgen: if it does not compile from source on Debian, how likely is it that it will work? (and do you *want* to run code that won't compile cleanly?) |
| 13:44.37 | judgen | i know that, but as making it from source does not work, i was thinking of giving it a go. |
| 13:44.45 | abrotman | chowder: i asked what dmesg said |
| 13:44.48 | judgen | it does not compile on ubuntu either. |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | chowder: and xfce isn't a DM .. gdm/kdm/etc |
| 13:44.59 | thewanderer11 | judgen: don't use it then |
| 13:45.19 | judgen | thewanderer11: it does compile on arch very fine. Wonder what the difference is? |
| 13:45.20 | chowder | abrotman: I'm checking now. As for the DM i'm using lightdm. Sorry, thought you meant DE. Misread that. |
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| 13:45.50 | judgen | thewanderer11: also it works fine on gentoo |
| 13:46.03 | thewanderer11 | judgen: probably a crap build system for Debian |
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| 13:46.19 | abrotman | judgen: it's just a tiling WM like awesome ? |
| 13:46.23 | PerfDave | You *might* try building the Ubuntu source package on Debian, but on your head be it. |
| 13:46.38 | judgen | abrotman: Not at all, it does not use X or any other displayserver |
| 13:46.41 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, b43, definitely |
| 13:46.46 | thewanderer11 | judgen: I'd try fixing the compile errors rather than try to install a binary package from Ubuntu |
| 13:47.04 | chowder | abrotman: this line stood out in dmesg: [ 2218.698893] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 13:47.29 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: b43 doesn't quite work fine until, I think, 2.6.39 or something like that, despite many's claims that it does (well, in certain cases it does...) |
| 13:47.42 | abrotman | judgen: the description says something else? |
| 13:47.50 | judgen | thewanderer11: Yes that would be the prefered route. but there is just so many of them. And the binary package is very old compared to the new versions. |
| 13:48.05 | judgen | abrotman: It is a windowmanager for CLI |
| 13:48.08 | boudiccas | doh! |
| 13:48.10 | abrotman | judgen: oh, it's a multiplexer like screen, but with a mouse? |
| 13:48.15 | sephii | So yesterday I turned off an NFS volume that was mounted on my computer. Then Dolphin started to freeze (yes, I'm using KDE), so I tried to do a umount in a konsole, which froze too when I tried to autocomplete the path to the mountpoint. So went in the tty1 and I did a umount -f /mnt/mydisk, but it hang |
| 13:48.16 | judgen | yes |
| 13:48.20 | thewanderer11 | judgen: probably still fixable within a short timeframe |
| 13:48.24 | abrotman | judgen: so use screen + gpm ? |
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| 13:48.39 | judgen | screen is not nearly as nice in my experience as twin |
| 13:48.49 | sephii | So I turned the network card down, but everything was still freezing and umount still didn't work |
| 13:49.02 | thewanderer11 | judgen: have you tried byobu? it's in Debian and it's a screen with "eyecandy" |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | judgen: tried tmux ? |
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| 13:49.19 | judgen | http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/91/f7/91f771050fe47f997701f32a90810b1f_medium.jpg?1237045985 |
| 13:49.27 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, hrm, 2.6.32 :( so..I should use wl? |
| 13:49.28 | kubanc_ | hellow! i have a question., Ehy is there so much Debian DVD+s to download? Do i need to download all the DVD's? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 13:49.31 | sephii | and finally I just did a reboot, which is really a pity |
| 13:49.36 | chowder | abrotman: more on dmesg here --> http://pastebin.com/BfFTQkrS |
| 13:50.13 | judgen | also the windows are resizable and draggable in twin. And it works perfectly over SSH cterminal onnection. |
| 13:50.40 | PerfDave | kubanc_: Read the Install Guide. |
| 13:50.49 | PerfDave | !tell kubanc_ -about ig |
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| 13:51.43 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: go ahead and try a newer kernel :P |
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| 13:51.59 | sephii | oh and the shutdown process froze when it tried to umount the disks, so I eventually gave up and used the magic keys. why is nfs so fragile? |
| 13:52.22 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, I has no internet connection to download one, and -tbh- I've not installed a kernel in a very long time. |
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| 13:52.44 | Cryp71c | Furthermore, will it mess up anything I have installed at present? or just conflicting kernel modules that I may have to update as well? |
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| 13:53.55 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: every kernel fixes old bugs and introduces new ones, mileage may vary (for me, 3.1-rc5 is very fine) |
| 13:53.55 | thewanderer11 | all modules will have to be updated too |
| 13:54.03 | thewanderer11 | most 3rd party will probably break, so if you have NVIDIA or VBox you might end up needing Wheezy/Sid versions of those |
| 13:54.53 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, eee, sounds like...lots of stuff :P perhaps a distro which ships with a newer version of the kernel is a better option? |
| 13:55.51 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: just for a working Broadcom? easier to buy and insert an Intel AGN than switch to Ubuntu/RH/SUSE, heh |
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| 13:56.02 | thewanderer11 | wl works fine for me on the laptop I'm typing from |
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| 13:56.15 | thewanderer11 | non-free but I can live with it :P |
| 13:56.46 | Cryp71c | non-free, you mean..non open source? I've used wl before and don't recall ever buying anything.. :P |
| 13:57.47 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: yes, non-open... brcmsmac seems to be based on Broadcom's released sources, but a) is not yet feature-complete (power saving) and b) no idea if it supports 4312 LP-PHYs |
| 13:58.19 | thewanderer11 | so your safest bet is wl right now |
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| 13:58.52 | greenmang0 | is anybody here using supervisord? |
| 13:59.07 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, alright, hopefully just one more scrub question: installing that is a matter of downloading it, running whatever install sh it comes with (hopefully), rmmod b43 and modprobing wl...correct? |
| 13:59.33 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: uhh no, install the package from the Squeeze repositories |
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| 13:59.51 | Cryp71c | thewanderer11, I don't have any internet connectivity because of the wireless issue -_- |
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| 14:00.26 | Cryp71c | SO I was planning on downloading it, transferring via thumb drive and installing it like that. |
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| 14:00.58 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: you'd need a compiler, the kernel headers and in general the whole build env to do that |
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| 14:01.42 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: just hook up Ethernet and perform the necessary steps |
| 14:01.46 | andrea1002 | ciao come si scaricano qui i film? |
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| 14:03.27 | klawd | hi people. any tips for a good tool to create .debs? |
| 14:03.37 | klawd | i used epm but that doesn't work well with reprepro |
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| 14:05.16 | thewanderer11 | Cryp71c: if you can't use cable on the target system, build the package with module-assistant on another one and move it on a pendrive or so (ensure kernel version compatibility!) |
| 14:05.31 | thewanderer11 | does Flash use PA on Squeeze, again? |
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| 14:06.48 | AlecTaylor | hi |
| 14:06.49 | AlecTaylor | GUI XML viewer for Linux with support for large file sizes + auto-format? |
| 14:06.49 | AlecTaylor | uses foxe.exe on Windows |
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| 14:08.16 | yakamo_ | anyone tell me why "service iptables save" dosnt work in squeeze? |
| 14:08.44 | yakamo_ | it says the service "iptables does not exist |
| 14:08.48 | yakamo_ | it is installed |
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| 14:10.30 | abrotman | chowder: seems fine .. toggle your kill switch |
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| 14:11.28 | chowder | abrotman: I've tried that several times already |
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| 14:11.43 | chowder | abrotman: the wireless interface still won't show up in wicd |
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| 14:12.27 | chowder | abrotman: will it make a difference if I add "auto wlan0", etc. etc... to my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 14:15.26 | f3xius | anyone having issues upgrading pulse on wheezy? |
| 14:15.56 | f3xius | well pulseaudio |
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| 14:16.54 | Bushmills | do you? |
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| 14:21.19 | Cryp71c | thewanderer1, still here? it looks like your other account disconnected |
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| 14:24.13 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, you banned webchat.freenode.net |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | chowder: try it and see .. it may |
| 14:25.49 | chowder | abrotman: after editing that file is there anything I need to do like maybe bring the wlan0 interface down and back up again? |
| 14:26.24 | Cryp71c | chowder, sudo ifconfig wlan0 down; sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 14:26.40 | Cryp71c | It doesn't hurt to take it down and bring it back up, typically |
| 14:26.53 | chowder | Cryp71c: thanks |
| 14:26.58 | abrotman | wtf sudo haah |
| 14:27.12 | Cryp71c | abrotman, ? |
| 14:27.23 | abrotman | chowder: is it set for dhcp? did you associate it with a network? |
| 14:27.53 | abrotman | chowder: are you using some GUI manager to do the wifi setup ? |
| 14:27.57 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, you should unblock it. |
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| 14:28.13 | chowder | abrotman: I added the line "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and I'm using wicd |
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| 14:29.24 | AlecTaylor | GUI XML viewer for Linux with support for large file sizes + auto-format? |
| 14:29.25 | arghx | chowder: you do either ues /etc/network/interfaces OR wicd. you cannot use both |
| 14:29.29 | AlecTaylor | uses foxe.exe on Windows http://www.firstobject.com/dn_editor.htm |
| 14:29.58 | arghx | if you use wicd, you don't want to have anything about this interface in /etc/network/interfaces and vice versa |
| 14:30.11 | chowder | arghx: so should I revert the settings I made in the interfaces file? |
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| 14:31.53 | arghx | depends what you want to use for configuring your wlan |
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| 14:32.12 | abrotman | arghx: you can have it though |
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| 14:33.14 | arghx | you mean without auto? |
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| 14:35.28 | klawd | question about .deb packages: i'd like to have a debian repository with my scripts that i use (.sh) can i use .deb-src for that? (they don't have to be compiled obviously) |
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| 14:36.46 | dTal | klawd: you don't need .deb-src |
| 14:36.56 | dTal | just .deb will do |
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| 14:37.20 | dTal | after all they're executables that don't need compiling, it's no different than any other package |
| 14:37.33 | arghx | klawd: no. even with scripts, you use a binary deb... repository. scripts have "_all" in the package filename instead of _i386 or _amd64 |
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| 14:37.54 | klawd | dTal: i have a vm with a 32bit system, it won't download the package because i packed it on a 64bit system |
| 14:38.03 | klawd | i see |
| 14:38.06 | klawd | ok, thanks |
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| 14:43.14 | boobsbr | howdy |
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| 14:43.50 | klawd | arghx: need some additional help: does the filename of the package really matter? also: what do i need to write into my conf/distributions file? Architectures: all? |
| 14:43.58 | boobsbr | how to use apt-get to only download one package and not it's dependencies? |
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| 14:44.32 | themill | boobsbr: aptitude download packagename |
| 14:44.42 | arghx | boobsbr: apt is expressly made for resolving and downloading dependencies. it's why it was made |
| 14:45.16 | klawd | arghx: ok, thanks! |
| 14:45.25 | boobsbr | themill, thanks! |
| 14:45.30 | boobsbr | arghx, thanks! |
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| 14:46.09 | klawd | anyone else want to step in here? what do i need to do to get my i386 system do install a package of scripts made on a x64 system? |
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| 14:46.52 | abrotman | arghx: it doesn't matter IIRC .. the wicd overrides it |
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| 14:47.43 | themill | klawd: you'd make an arch: all package (it's arch:all because it doesn't contain anything that varies from machine to machine). You might be interested in looking at "movein" instead of making a package; /msg dpkg movein |
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| 14:48.23 | boobsbr | is there a way to unpack the control data from the .deb package? |
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| 14:48.50 | jelly | boobsbr: dpkg --control foo.deb destdir/ |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | boobsbr: ar and tar are all you need to full unpack a .deb |
| 14:49.17 | boobsbr | jelly, thanks! |
| 14:49.22 | boobsbr | abrotman, thanks! |
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| 14:50.05 | themill | boobsbr: mc can be quite handy too |
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| 14:51.11 | boobsbr | themill, thanks, didn't know mc could handle this. |
| 14:51.42 | abrotman | mcmill |
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| 14:53.08 | klawd | themill: do you by any chance know how to do that with epm? |
| 14:53.38 | themill | wonders what epm is |
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| 14:54.33 | klawd | epm (1) - create software packages. |
| 14:54.47 | klawd | it makes creating .debs easier |
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| 14:55.34 | klawd | i don't need a full blown package management. all i need is a way to distribute my scripts to several virtual machines. they might have dependencies |
| 14:55.43 | abrotman | does it make them debian/litian compliant? |
| 14:56.13 | themill | If it can't do arch:all vs arch:any packages, then it doesn't make creating .debs easier... |
| 14:56.26 | jelly | it's a bunch of scripts... who cares about lintian? |
| 14:56.34 | klawd | themill: i would think it can do it, i just don't know how |
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| 14:57.42 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.11 | klawd | hm, already did that, doesn't seem to work though |
| 14:58.16 | klawd | or .. _maybe_..! one second |
| 14:58.24 | boudiccas | times up |
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| 15:00.34 | gimpy1308 | Does anyone know if bonding mode balance-rr requires a port-channel to be configured on the switch? |
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| 15:01.13 | pindemon | hello world. |
| 15:01.30 | pindemon | I have a question for you guys. |
| 15:01.52 | pindemon | I have a laptop with not working video card (neither external monitor works) |
| 15:02.15 | pindemon | it do works as I'm able to "use" the current system (vista) and hear response from the system |
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| 15:02.22 | pindemon | I thought about installing debian on it |
| 15:02.52 | pindemon | how can I achieve this in the simpliest way? maybe using a debian-live cd, then ssh-ing on it and launching the install |
| 15:02.59 | pindemon | ? |
| 15:03.18 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:03.41 | pindemon | boudiccas: ok |
| 15:03.55 | arghx | !tell pindemon about ssh install |
| 15:04.07 | TreeStump | gimpy1308: I would imagine that yes it would be needed |
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| 15:05.32 | TreeStump | i dont know specifically for Debian, however, my understanding of R&S is that STP will shutdown one of the ports unless there is a port channel configured on the switch. Not only that, it wouldn't know to use both ports in a channel, so even if it didnt put the port into blocking, I doubt it would load balance properly. |
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| 15:06.20 | debusr | рш |
| 15:06.26 | debusr | hi |
| 15:06.46 | jelly | debusr: rsh is not recommended any more, use ssh |
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| 15:07.26 | debusr | ok:) |
| 15:07.40 | debusr | i have a question |
| 15:07.43 | klawd | themill: i have %arch all in my epm list file and Architecture _all in my conf/distributions file. when i try to add the .deb to the repos, it says: Error looking at '../wptk-0.1-linux-3.0-x86_64.deb': 'amd64' is not one of the valid architectures: '_all' |
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| 15:07.57 | boudiccas | donat ask to ask, just ask your damn question |
| 15:08.08 | Iridos | donate to ask? |
| 15:08.08 | Iridos | :D |
| 15:08.16 | karlpinc | pindemon: Perhaps you can install via serial port. I don't know. Check the install guide. If you can get the installer past a few basic questions you can, in expert mode, continue the install via ssh. |
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| 15:09.00 | pindemon | karlpinc: k - I'm evaluating various options |
| 15:09.25 | themill | klawd: sounds like you need to talk to the epm people. Making a .deb is pretty trivial for what you're doing, so I can't really see the use case unless you're trying to generate packages for a pile of different operating systems at the same time. |
| 15:09.31 | karlpinc | I've got a number of grephic files produced using skencil. Is there a way to convert them to inkscape or something? skencil was dropped after lenny. |
| 15:10.02 | debusr | i donwloaded theme from gnome-look but theme work not correctly..... in themes menager i read somthing about murrina,,,, what i need to do? |
| 15:10.05 | PsychoMario | is it possible, in screen or tmux, to have two panes, horizontally split, but only showing as one 'tab' in the status bar, and when i prev/next it changes to the next tab wholly rather than just in that pane? |
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| 15:10.50 | karlpinc | PsychoMario: screen seems to do everything. Have you read the man page? |
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| 15:13.51 | Iridos | karlpinc, well... apt-file search sk2 |grep 'sk2[a-z]' |
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| 15:14.06 | klawd | themill: ok. just one more question though: where did you get this info from? 16:57 < themill> %arch all |
| 15:14.22 | themill | I looked at the epm docs on their website |
| 15:14.26 | Iridos | actually I thought pstoedit, but that only starts from postscript |
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| 15:16.14 | themill | karlpinc: last resort would be to use a lenny chroot to run skencil and have it export them in some more useful format |
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| 15:16.18 | Iridos | err, that relies on skconvert which doesn't exist anymore? |
| 15:18.33 | Iridos | karlpinc, hmm, skconvert was indeed a part of scencil... and it's really a phython skript |
| 15:19.27 | karlpinc | Iridos: There's some sort of sk2 plugin in inkscape.... |
| 15:19.54 | karlpinc | themill: I've got a few svg exports, but the don't seem to be quite right in inkscape. I'm still figuring it out. |
| 15:19.55 | Iridos | yeah, but that should call the shell script I first referred you to |
| 15:20.04 | Iridos | and that calls skconvert, which seems to be gone |
| 15:20.14 | themill | the package description for inkscape says that it uses the skencil package to do the import |
| 15:20.16 | karlpinc | Iridos: oh. |
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| 15:20.45 | karlpinc | wonders what happened to skencil Maybe it got stale? |
| 15:20.46 | klawd | themill: epm -a all :D |
| 15:20.51 | klawd | works now :)) |
| 15:20.55 | Iridos | so I think we're all set... get the skencil package |
| 15:21.06 | themill | !dbugs 537259 |
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| 15:21.11 | dpkg | DONE:#537259:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: skencil -- RoQA; orphaned, dead upstream (); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:45:01 UTC [] |
| 15:21.21 | karlpinc | Iridos: There's no skencil in squeeze. |
| 15:21.26 | Iridos | I still got one! |
| 15:21.36 | gary_golden | Is it possible when LED on network interface is illuminated, but there is no actual connection on physical layer? |
| 15:21.40 | karlpinc | Iridos: You didn't clean up after your upgrade. :) |
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| 15:22.00 | Iridos | karlpinc, I know. I meant from archives. The bit you want is a python script with a shell-script wrapper |
| 15:22.12 | gary_golden | remode side doesn't answer neither to ip nor mac broadcasts |
| 15:22.14 | Almtesh | gary_golden, yes, but you are not lucky. |
| 15:22.15 | arghx | gary_golden: have you checked your kernel log? often the kernel prints out a message when the connection is established. or error messages |
| 15:22.24 | karlpinc | Iridos: I'll give it a try. Thanks a lot. |
| 15:22.24 | Iridos | karlpinc, that, too, but also the system still runs etch |
| 15:22.26 | amphi | gary_golden: I've seen that on my stinkpad, although not with recent testing kernels |
| 15:22.31 | themill | ,depends skencil --release lenny |
| 15:22.31 | judd | Package skencil in lenny/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libx11-6, libxext6, tcl8.4 (>= 8.4.16), tk8.4 (>= 8.4.16), python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.7.1), python-imaging-tk. |
| 15:23.24 | themill | karlpinc: you should be able to get that work in a chroot; you'll not be able to get it to install in squeeze on its own (unless you recompile the package.. and hope it works with pyt2.6) |
| 15:23.44 | Iridos | but he doesn't need the bits that are compiled! |
| 15:23.56 | Iridos | I keep saying: skconvert is sh/python |
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| 15:24.20 | gary_golden | arghx: hm. there is no "link up" message for this interface while others are reported |
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| 15:24.42 | gary_golden | what is that mean? do I have broken cord? |
| 15:24.54 | arghx | the link up message is driver dependent. not all do it |
| 15:25.08 | gary_golden | arghx: both NICs are identical |
| 15:25.20 | gary_golden | means using the same driver |
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| 15:25.49 | Almtesh | gary_golden, try some cross tests to determine from where comes the problem. |
| 15:26.06 | Iridos | hmm, at least I think so |
| 15:26.07 | arghx | gary_golden: e.g. cable is a prime suspect |
| 15:26.11 | Almtesh | Another NIC, another cable, another OS, another box. |
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| 15:27.21 | gary_golden | Almtesh: ok, I'm gonna to try another NIC (I'm chatting using it now), unfortunately I don't have another cable of this lenght |
| 15:27.50 | Almtesh | Arf! |
| 15:28.07 | Almtesh | Like said arghx, the cable is prime suspect. |
| 15:28.34 | pindemon | Does the debian-live cd have an install feature? |
| 15:28.45 | gary_golden | yep, if another NIC doesn't work as well, it's cable for sure |
| 15:28.54 | nsadmin | switch the cable to the other nic (and configure it) to rule in/out the cable as the problem |
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| 15:29.09 | themill | Iridos: python scripts can contain compiled extensions; they can also use modules. The python interpreter needs to be able to find these modules and extensions and the location of them changed between python 2.5 and 2.6 which can make this a little more problematic. |
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| 15:29.44 | Iridos | karlpinc, actually there are 4 .so runtime libraries... everything else in skencil is python. |
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| 15:30.01 | Iridos | themill, I found them :) |
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| 15:30.53 | arghx | the .so libraries might be compiled against a specific python.so too, no? |
| 15:31.07 | Iridos | and against a certain libc6 |
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| 15:31.15 | Iridos | and so on |
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| 15:32.22 | arghx | rarely in debian afaik. newer libc almost always works. but with python I'm not so sure. I know under windows they need a special python version (python26.dll vs. python27.dll). on linux it could be easier since versioning of .so is solved better |
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| 15:32.29 | arghx | but no guarantees |
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| 15:38.02 | gary_golden | I have to go outside tomorrow and buy some cable |
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| 15:39.02 | web21_ | when building a pkg from debian sources, is it possible to have debug symbols compiled in, or do you have to deal directly with the tar ball? |
| 15:39.04 | gary_golden | It's strange though, I always thought that led can tell for sure that cable is fine |
| 15:39.51 | gary_golden | it's even blinking while icmp on the wire |
| 15:40.12 | klawd | i have several scripts in a subfolder of /usr/sbin. do i need to add that subfolder to the path to get auto completion? |
| 15:40.32 | gary_golden | klawd: yes |
| 15:40.42 | klawd | ok, thanks |
| 15:40.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell web21_ -about package recompile |
| 15:40.55 | Iridos | do your stuff before 5) |
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| 15:42.53 | klawd | what does export actually do? |
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| 15:43.15 | web21_ | iridos: are you hinting at some document |
| 15:43.23 | arghx | it makes it so that children of your shell have this in their env too and not just the shell itself only |
| 15:43.29 | Iridos | web21_, no |
| 15:43.37 | Iridos | web21_, dpkg sent you a private message |
| 15:44.01 | web21_ | ah yes, just noticed the extra tab, thanks:) |
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| 15:44.51 | klawd | can i add a directory to the path permanently? |
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| 15:45.30 | gary_golden | klawd: edit /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 15:45.50 | klawd | ok, thanks |
| 15:46.42 | themill | klawd: if you're calling things from sbin as a non-root user, perhaps they shouldn't be in sbin |
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| 15:47.10 | karlpinc | Iridos, themill : FWIW I forced the dpkg install for skencil on squeeze and it seems to work, sorta anyway. A few elements are off. I couldn't say if it'd work any better on lenny.... ? |
| 15:47.12 | themill | klawd: also, consider using /usr/local for locally maintained stuff |
| 15:47.23 | karlpinc | ('it' being skconvert) |
| 15:47.23 | themill | karlpinc: fun :) |
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| 15:50.18 | gary_golden | themill: nice example is ifconfig which is read-only for non-root users and useful. but people historically places it into /sbin |
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| 15:53.07 | charley | what package should i install so nagios can do snmp checks against my debian server? |
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| 15:54.32 | dokma|2 | I've got raw text of a POST request that was generated server side. I'd like to replicate that POST from my desktop Debian machine so I can trigger a debug session. What tool is good for such an operation? |
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| 15:55.55 | ew0x | dokma|2: wget [...] --post-{data,file} ? |
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| 15:56.08 | gary_golden | dokma|2: I use curl for this |
| 15:56.31 | dokma|2 | I'm familiar with wget (and author is a Croat) so I'll try wget |
| 15:56.43 | dokma|2 | ew0x, gary_golden: thanks!! |
| 15:56.52 | ew0x | dokma|2: you're welcome, enjoy |
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| 15:57.18 | CyberDomovoy | hi, i had troubles reinstalling mysql-server, so it ended by removing /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Now mysql-server starts, but complains it doesn't find this file. Seems that it is part of mysql-common. How can i get it back? (tried reinstall and reconfigure of mysql client, server and common, didn't help) |
| 15:57.27 | karlpinc | I get the feeling that the files converted from skencil are going to be better off re-created from scratch. We'll see. :-P |
| 15:58.00 | karlpinc | !tell CyberDomovoy about confmiss |
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| 15:58.38 | CyberDomovoy | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 16:01.30 | Iridos | karlpinc, actually, if you put them online, I guess I can convert for you |
| 16:01.39 | Iridos | (but don't think I will get a different result) |
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| 17:01.47 | dimadima | hey so, a strange thing happened. i tried changing a user's shell (as root) and went a part of the way through `$ chsh` in nteractive mode |
| 17:01.50 | dimadima | then i aborted |
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| 17:02.02 | dimadima | didn't think that the process completed or made any changes |
| 17:02.05 | dimadima | now i've got this situation |
| 17:02.06 | dimadima | root:x:0:0:root:/root:1 exit |
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| 17:02.15 | dimadima | + no sudo |
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| 17:02.40 | dimadima | any thoughts? |
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| 17:04.38 | nettezzaumana | hello .. kick me if you wish (banning is not necessary i won't come back) because i'm going to share my frustration from debian |
| 17:04.39 | jelly-home | dimadima: tell sudo or su to invoke /bin/sh directly instead of the user's login shell |
| 17:04.43 | nettezzaumana | # strace snmpwalk -v2c -cpublic 10.21.10.143 1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.2.3 |
| 17:04.44 | nettezzaumana | -bash: strace: command not found |
| 17:05.00 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 17:05.00 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 17:05.09 | dimadima | jelly-home: yes, thank you, i will try that! |
| 17:05.16 | dimadima | if you know that switch for that offhand |
| 17:05.17 | dimadima | what is it? |
| 17:05.18 | nettezzaumana | ^^ like hundreds of other essentials ... please think about mid 90' |
| 17:05.22 | jelly-home | dimadima: I don't |
| 17:05.23 | nettezzaumana | s are past over |
| 17:05.37 | dimadima | jelly-home: thank you very much nevertheless! |
| 17:05.39 | dimadima | mans it |
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| 17:06.06 | jelly-home | nettezzaumana: you're right, your frustration is not worth mentioning |
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| 17:06.39 | jelly-home | nettezzaumana: that snmpwalk doesn't come with a base system, either |
| 17:06.58 | nettezzaumana | debian didn't change in real since 90's, as an UNIX proffessional i feel endless frustration every time i have to do something with debian |
| 17:07.08 | nettezzaumana | jelly-home: yes, i know |
| 17:07.10 | jelly-home | you poor thing! |
| 17:07.48 | dimadima | jelly-home: you sure that's possible? i'm not seeing this in the su manpage |
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| 17:08.12 | nettezzaumana | jelly-home: well, i have to debug something on host which is not connected to internet, in production and with very strict policy to install anything so i will not |
| 17:08.55 | jelly-home | dimadima: I see at least two possibly helpful options in Debian 5.0 man page for su, -c and -s |
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| 17:10.15 | dimadima | yes, actually i see that now, my bad |
| 17:10.16 | dimadima | except |
| 17:10.16 | dimadima | dima@weezy:~$ su --shell /bin/bash root |
| 17:10.16 | dimadima | Password: |
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| 17:10.36 | dimadima | ugh, apologies. i'm being jumpy |
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| 17:11.15 | nettezzaumana | dimadima: no worry, retarded distribution side-produces retarded rules and automated acts in its chan |
| 17:11.51 | dimadima | sighs |
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| 17:11.54 | jelly-home | nettezzaumana: at my work, we install from customized image which contains around 50-ish additions to the base system, and multiple custom configuration changes compared to defaults. This way all of our systems come with ssh, screen, vim, strace, sysstat, and other useful bits. Yours is a local policy issue, not a Debian issue. |
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| 17:12.18 | nettezzaumana | jelly-home: hmm. perhaps .. |
| 17:12.26 | nettezzaumana | anyway, back to business .. bye |
| 17:12.26 | dimadima | so what do you guys think. if `dima@weezy:~$ su --shell /bin/bash` yeilds `Cannot execute 1 exit: No such file or directory` |
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| 17:12.47 | Bushmills | maybe there is a need for a custom fat debian, with all packages which aren't mutually exclusive preinstalled |
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| 17:13.28 | Bushmills | otoh, that would only be an attempt to cater trolls |
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| 17:13.39 | frozencemetery | Bushmills: you mean all of the cds beyond #1? |
| 17:14.09 | Bushmills | well, all packages with the even slightest chance of ever being used |
| 17:14.17 | Bushmills | ever slightest, even |
| 17:14.55 | jelly-home | dimadima: what about sudo? |
| 17:15.05 | dimadima | unfortunately not enabled |
| 17:15.24 | jelly-home | !tell dimadima about ifrp |
| 17:15.25 | dimadima | i am thinking i could use -c to execute a sed which might change that line in /etc/passwd |
| 17:15.43 | Bushmills | preinstalled. so one can be told "you should have downloaded that 30 gigabyte image instead, you didn't, it is your fault, stop whining" :) |
| 17:16.06 | jelly-home | Bushmills: he dude left a few minutes back |
| 17:16.15 | Bushmills | i know |
| 17:16.26 | jelly-home | so why are you preaching to the choir |
| 17:16.48 | Bushmills | i haven't said anything the whole evening and am trying to catch up :) |
| 17:17.01 | jelly-home | dimadima: follow the "i forgot root password" procedure to boot and change root's login shell back to a sensible value |
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| 17:17.39 | dimadima | jelly-home: unfortunately nowhere near this bo |
| 17:17.40 | dimadima | x |
| 17:17.53 | jelly-home | !pal dimadima |
| 17:17.53 | dpkg | points at dimadima and laughs |
| 17:18.07 | dimadima | :) |
| 17:18.12 | dimadima | there ought to be some way to leverage su |
| 17:18.16 | dimadima | between -s and -c |
| 17:18.40 | An_Ony_Moose | can I unload the nouveau driver without rebooting? just using rmmod says it's in use. |
| 17:19.05 | jelly-home | dimadima: this won't help you, but... sudo -s /bin/sh works. |
| 17:19.06 | jelly-home | sh-4.1# |
| 17:19.40 | somiaj | An_Ony_Moose: you'll have to completely shut down X and your display manager and goto only a console land. Also I belive the nouveau is a framebuffer as well, in that case you may not be able to unload it without rebooting. |
| 17:19.47 | An_Ony_Moose | gotta love irony... :D |
| 17:20.06 | dimadima | why doesn't `$ su -s /bin/bash` work? |
| 17:20.15 | dimadima | it seems to be not working at all... |
| 17:20.28 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: it becomes the driver for the console and as far as I know there's no way to replace console back with the vga16 textual one |
| 17:20.29 | frozencemetery | su -c /bin/bash ? |
| 17:20.32 | An_Ony_Moose | somiaj: yes, it is a framebuffer too, which is why it's in use. There's no way of exiting the framebuffer? |
| 17:20.40 | An_Ony_Moose | ok thanks somiaj and jelly-home |
| 17:20.41 | dimadima | frozencemetery: good though, lemme try that |
| 17:20.44 | An_Ony_Moose | I guess I'll be rebooting then |
| 17:21.04 | jelly-home | An_Ony_Moose: have you backlisted it in the meantime? |
| 17:21.15 | jelly-home | blacklisted, eh |
| 17:21.16 | dimadima | frozencemetery: nope, just took me back to my user shell |
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| 17:21.44 | frozencemetery | OH I see what happened |
| 17:21.45 | frozencemetery | okay |
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| 17:22.44 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly-home: yes... and it seems that that borked everything |
| 17:23.24 | somiaj | An_Ony_Moose: you could try #nouveau maybe there is some trick to remove the framebuffer use, but I have never seen one |
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| 17:23.47 | jelly-home | dimadima: having sash installed with its "sashroot" uid 0 account would have helped as well |
| 17:24.00 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly-home: the nvidia driver crashed... Back to nouveau for now >.< |
| 17:24.06 | dimadima | man sash |
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| 17:24.18 | An_Ony_Moose | maybe I shouldn't use sid. |
| 17:24.21 | jelly-home | dimadima: apt-cache show sash |
| 17:24.47 | An_Ony_Moose | okay I seem to have broken everything |
| 17:24.50 | An_Ony_Moose | dinner bbl |
| 17:25.17 | jelly-home | puts his root login shell back to /bin/sh |
| 17:25.43 | jelly-home | dimadima: or keep a screen session with an open root shell nearby |
| 17:25.44 | dimadima | jelly-home: yaaa. i could have just configuyred sudo |
| 17:25.55 | dimadima | plethora of options |
| 17:26.05 | dimadima | i just don't get why `$ su -s /bin/bash` doesn't work |
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| 17:26.18 | dimadima | i also don't get why chsh let me write garbage to /etc/passwd |
| 17:26.36 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 17:26.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:26.39 | dimadima | i didnt check /etc/passwd before i logged out of root cause i thought it wouldn't let me write crap to /etc/passwd |
| 17:26.47 | dimadima | it beign chsh |
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| 17:27.29 | jelly-home | I thought chsh verified input and allowed only entried from /etc/shells |
| 17:27.38 | jelly-home | entries |
| 17:27.46 | dimadima | exactly! |
| 17:27.53 | dimadima | and earlier in that same session |
| 17:28.10 | dimadima | it let me change someone's shells to `/bin/bash/` (note trailing slash) |
| 17:28.14 | frozencemetery | is there garbage in /etc/shells? |
| 17:28.15 | jelly-home | dimadima: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:28.18 | dimadima | which is not in /etc/shells! |
| 17:28.23 | dimadima | nope, no garbage there! |
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| 17:28.26 | dimadima | and old-ass one |
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| 17:28.29 | boudiccas | dimadima; please stop using your enter key as punctuation |
| 17:28.38 | jelly-home | dimadima: dpkg -l dpkg libc6 |tail -2 |
| 17:28.55 | dimadima | Linux Debian 4.0 ( 2.6.37.6.RNx86_32.1.1 i686) |
| 17:29.01 | dimadima | etch |
| 17:29.11 | jelly-home | not that old... |
| 17:29.12 | dimadima | boudiccas: my bad |
| 17:29.32 | jelly-home | I still have sarge systems in production :-| |
| 17:30.01 | jelly-home | and one nice, horrible mishmash of woody-sarge-etch |
| 17:30.10 | frozencemetery | you...should maybe fix those :( |
| 17:30.13 | frozencemetery | that hurts my brain |
| 17:30.22 | dimadima | it's really strange though that, with /etc/shells not containing garbage, it let me write garbage to /etc/passwd |
| 17:30.36 | jelly-home | frozencemetery: those can't be fixed. They will be migrated away from. |
| 17:31.31 | jelly-home | dimadima: ah... but you were root when changing that (for obvious reasons), and it probably lets root away with anything and does not do all the checks |
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| 17:32.06 | frozencemetery | yeah root's allowed to override there |
| 17:32.07 | jelly-home | dimadima: try running chsh as normal user and see if it lets you change theirs to "1" |
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| 17:32.28 | dimadima | jelly-home: i hear ya, but i was under the impression that it wasn't set up that way. for shame |
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| 17:32.51 | jelly-home | dimadima: yeah, it's a shame you're not using hardware with remote console access |
| 17:33.22 | dimadima | jelly-home: i think this might somehow be hacked. i mean, there's tons of stuff running as root. also, i can apparently execute su -c commands? |
| 17:33.36 | dimadima | i just don't know enough about sed to execute such a command |
| 17:33.43 | jelly-home | can you? |
| 17:33.54 | dimadima | why not? |
| 17:33.55 | jelly-home | does su -c ls work? |
| 17:33.58 | web21_ | I want debug symbols for gnash. was going to try to recompile with debug symbols, but I just noticed a gnash-dbg package (backports, which is what I'm using). Can someone tell me if it is a copy of gnash with debug symbols (ie, run gnash-dbg instead of gnash) or is it used by gnash to get the symbols |
| 17:34.18 | dimadima | jelly-home: i tried. but i can't tell because i'm guessing it doesn't pipe ls in that context to stdout |
| 17:34.39 | jelly-home | dimadima: pipe what? if it works, you will have some output |
| 17:34.42 | frozencemetery | web21_: should just be the symbols |
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| 17:35.10 | iluminator101 | how can install with auto dependency find and install |
| 17:35.13 | frozencemetery | wait...other way around |
| 17:35.18 | dimadima | jelly-home: on stdout? |
| 17:35.33 | jelly-home | dimadima: that's where ls usually writes, yes |
| 17:35.47 | web21_ | frozencemetery: do I have to do anything special to get gnash to use gnash-dbg, or does gnash automatically use it if it is on the system? |
| 17:36.06 | dimadima | jelly-home: clearly i'm a n00b but if a command is invoked w/ -c, why would it write to my tty's stdout? |
| 17:36.18 | dimadima | when the user that's executing the command doesn't have a tty |
| 17:36.21 | jelly-home | dimadima: where else would it write? |
| 17:36.25 | iluminator101 | how can install something without it asking for it depends on, in another words does apt auto dependency build??? |
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| 17:36.27 | dimadima | /dev/null :D |
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| 17:36.49 | jelly-home | dimadima: negative, su -c command keeps the same fd 0, 1, 2 |
| 17:36.56 | frozencemetery | web21_: http://paste.debian.net/138596/ |
| 17:37.08 | jelly-home | dimadima: just like "su" |
| 17:37.44 | jelly-home | dimadima: here, try this: su -c /bin/true; echo $? |
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| 17:38.00 | jelly-home | dimadima: if $? is not 0, that su did not work |
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| 17:38.53 | dimadima | jelly-home: it seems you're right |
| 17:39.17 | iluminator101 | how can i turn a debian server terminal into desktop without it asking for depends |
| 17:39.23 | jelly-home | dimadima: do not fuck with systems on a Friday. |
| 17:39.40 | dimadima | jelly-home: word |
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| 17:39.46 | orudie | how do you scroll up in man page ? |
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| 17:39.54 | jelly-home | orudie: b or PageUp |
| 17:39.55 | dimadima | orudie: Ctr-U |
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| 17:40.33 | dimadima | jelly-home: now it looks like i won't have root access for a WHILLE |
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| 17:40.51 | SeySayux | Hey, for some reason, I can't ping my router from one box, but I can from all the others. I could reach the router fine from this box before I replaced it with a different model. I've got a static IP on this box, and, as far as I know, the settings are okay. I can reach every other computer in the network from this box, as well as connect from every other computer to this box, but communication from and to the router doesn't work for some reason |
| 17:40.51 | SeySayux | Enabling dhcp just drops me of the ssh connection and I need to power cycle to get control back. Does anybody have an idea where to start troubleshooting? |
| 17:40.53 | jelly-home | dimadima: since your system is not up to date, you might find a local root exploit that works |
| 17:40.57 | web21_ | frozencemetery: sorry, don't really understand. Not a coder, just reported a bug to gnash and they have asked me to retry with debug symbols compiled in, but I'll just install gnash-dbg and see if it magically works. Thanks. |
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| 17:41.14 | dimadima | jelly-home: that is really amusing and kind of cool, but i |
| 17:41.19 | dimadima | 've never done anything like that |
| 17:41.25 | jelly-home | dimadima: I'm afraid the details of that approach lie outside the scope of this channel ;-) |
| 17:41.27 | dimadima | (accidental <enter>) |
| 17:41.33 | dimadima | jelly-home: for sure. |
| 17:41.44 | dimadima | jelly-home: but do they lie outside the scope of your knowledge? |
| 17:42.13 | jelly-home | outside my free time, but I accept paypal |
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| 17:42.47 | dimadima | jelly-home: :D |
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| 17:43.32 | orudie | jelly-home, doesnt work |
| 17:44.05 | jelly-home | orudie: it depends on the pager tool in use, and those keybindings should work for "less" |
| 17:44.25 | jelly-home | orudie: install less and try again. ;-) |
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| 17:46.35 | dimadima | but the part that i don't understand is why `$ su -s /bin/bash` is NOT working |
| 17:46.38 | jelly-home | orudie: I think "more" really does not have a way to scroll back up. |
| 17:46.43 | dimadima | the entire purpose of that switch is to bypass /etc/passwd |
| 17:46.53 | orudie | jelly-home, installing less helped, but for some reason I think it scrolls up an entire page |
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| 17:47.05 | jelly-home | dimadima: because su is written a bit stupidly and always uses the login shell to run other commands, I guess |
| 17:47.08 | orudie | jelly-home, b scrolls up enitre page right ? |
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| 17:47.13 | jelly-home | orudie: correct |
| 17:47.25 | jelly-home | orudie: you can probably use cursor keys now |
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| 17:49.24 | orudie | jelly-home, sweet deal thanks |
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| 17:51.25 | jelly-home | less is nicer than more, one of those things you installed right away |
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| 17:55.44 | gallby | hola |
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| 18:01.41 | ronin444 | amigo |
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| 18:04.35 | jduck | hello, anyone familiar with building the openssl package? |
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| 18:07.20 | web21_ | I filed a bug report with gnash ppl, and they have asked me to help debug. Apparently need debug symbols. just installed gnash-dbg, but gnash (run from a debugging script) doesn`t seem to just automatically use them. Can anyone tell me how to make use of the debug symbols I have apparently just installed? |
| 18:07.49 | jduck | symbol-file /path/to/symbols |
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| 18:09.38 | babilen | jduck: There might be a slight chance that we can help you if you would ask your real question. ;) |
| 18:10.05 | jduck | ok, so building the openssl package seems to generate several different libraries such as i386, i486 and i686/cmov |
| 18:10.06 | web21_ | jduck: don't seem to have symbol-file installed, search in aptitude doesn't find it, what pkg do I install to get it? |
| 18:10.12 | jduck | web21_: its a gdb command ;) |
| 18:10.15 | iluminator101 | is there a way to auto build dependencies |
| 18:11.00 | GNU\colossus | is there any video playback app in debian or debian-multimeia that actually uses libva? |
| 18:11.04 | GNU\colossus | multimedia* |
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| 18:11.23 | jduck | babilen: so i'm trying to figure out how these different versions get made and how to just rebuild for one of those targets |
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| 18:11.47 | web21_ | so once I am in the debugger I type "symbol-file path to symbols" I would assume before run. Is that right? |
| 18:12.00 | jduck | any time should be ok |
| 18:12.06 | ionelmc | how can i see what packages i have installed from a specific repository? |
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| 18:12.38 | HackeMate | hi |
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| 18:12.47 | HackeMate | will debian install gnome 3? |
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| 18:13.21 | babilen | jduck: Take a look at debian/rules and debian/control in the source package |
| 18:13.49 | jduck | i see OPT_i386 there, but i dont see how that is used |
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| 18:14.49 | boudiccas | jduck; this following is for you |
| 18:14.56 | boudiccas | !volunteer |
| 18:14.56 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 18:15.25 | jduck | eh? |
| 18:15.50 | boudiccas | jduck; re your comment at 1912 |
| 18:16.02 | jduck | 13:13 < jduck> i see OPT_i386 there, but i dont see how that is used |
| 18:16.03 | jduck | ? |
| 18:16.30 | jduck | 13:12 < jduck> any time should be ok |
| 18:16.30 | boudiccas | jduck; when you said ........ jduck> any time should be ok |
| 18:16.31 | jduck | ? |
| 18:16.35 | jduck | that was for web21_ |
| 18:16.56 | jduck | web21_: you can use the symbol-file command any time in gdb |
| 18:18.21 | ompaul | HackeMate: not at this time |
| 18:18.39 | HackeMate | in the future? |
| 18:18.41 | HackeMate | i hope never |
| 18:18.49 | ompaul | HackeMate: you don't have to use it. |
| 18:19.01 | HackeMate | kde then? |
| 18:19.20 | HackeMate | gnome always was ok |
| 18:19.25 | ompaul | that is an option, there are others. |
| 18:19.30 | web21_ | so, I ran the script that invokes gdb and gnash. Entered symbol-file <file with symbols> at the gdb prompt and it appeared to load. Then "run" at the prompt, followed through to the seg fault, then entered "bt", but that still only gave me numbered lines with 4 octet hex numbers followed by "in ?? ()" which is what it did without the symbol file, and is apparently not enough info for the gnash devs. any more suggestions or shld I |
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| 18:20.31 | jduck | web21_: you could build from source and try again |
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| 18:21.52 | web21_ | ok. In way over my head, but I'll give it a try. They apparently don't have any ppc hardware in their dev group so I'd like to help:) |
| 18:22.24 | jduck | yeah, ppc hardware is pretty rare these days |
| 18:23.03 | pipeline | power macintosh g5s are fairly cheap nowadays |
| 18:23.17 | pipeline | they obviously won't run aix but linux/ppc64 is the same whether it's ibm hardware or not :) |
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| 18:25.17 | jduck | boudiccas: i think i got it, i just removed the i386 and i486 options from the OPT_i386 assignment |
| 18:26.38 | boudiccas | jduck; you mistake me for someone who cares! |
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| 18:27.13 | jduck | boudiccas: the following is for you |
| 18:27.15 | jduck | !volunteer |
| 18:27.15 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 18:27.20 | jduck | cocksucker |
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| 18:28.16 | sonic | haha |
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| 18:40.34 | iluminator101 | aptitude faile (255) ???? |
| 18:40.38 | iluminator101 | aptitude failed (255) ???? |
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| 18:42.00 | somiaj | iluminator101: you will have to give us more context, maybe paste the command you typed and the output you get at paste.debian.net |
| 18:43.53 | iluminator101 | tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install --> aptitude failed (255) |
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| 18:45.56 | boudiccas | iluminator101; sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 18:45.59 | arghx | iluminator101: tasksel --list-tasks do you see "gnome-desktop" there? |
| 18:47.54 | iluminator101 | arghx, when i try to install gnome it asks fordepencies how can i install without it asking for recommends |
| 18:48.19 | blast_hardcheese | iluminator101: Why do you want to do this? |
| 18:48.42 | iluminator101 | system is broken i dont want to do a new install |
| 18:48.42 | somiaj | iluminator101: man apt-get (or aptitude) and use the --no-recomends flag or what ever it is. You can also set it to not install recommends as default. Most people will want recommended packages, which is why the default is to install them |
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| 18:49.10 | arghx | iluminator101: --no-install-recommends |
| 18:49.27 | blast_hardcheese | iluminator101: aptitude download <package> && dpkg -i -f <package>.deb ? |
| 18:49.42 | blast_hardcheese | arghx: Won't that just turn off recommends, not depends? |
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| 18:50.09 | blast_hardcheese | Oh, sorry; he mixed "depends" and "recommends" |
| 18:50.11 | blast_hardcheese | disregard. |
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| 18:56.00 | iluminator101 | wait shouldn't it be -install-recommends not no |
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| 18:58.59 | iluminator101 | no you are right disregard |
| 18:59.24 | somiaj | iluminator101: recommends are installed by default unless you changed your apt preferences |
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| 19:03.10 | iluminator101 | somiaj, i might accidenctly changed that how do i change back to install recommends |
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| 19:04.02 | somiaj | iluminator101: /etc/apt will have your config/preference files, look around |
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| 19:07.21 | masterkorp | hello is php5 compiled with --enable-fpm ? |
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| 19:08.32 | masterkorp | how can i see wich flags do you used when building the package ? |
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| 19:12.21 | somiaj | masterkorp: down load the source package and look in the debian/ directory, usually the debian/rules script has all the config options it uses |
| 19:12.48 | masterkorp | somiaj: thank you very much |
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| 19:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | Major squeeze update today - what's that about? |
| 19:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | I thought I already had 6.0.3. |
| 19:15.19 | masterkorp | somiaj: hmm it appears not too |
| 19:16.14 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: must have not upgraded, I see no new updates on my 6.0.3 machine I updated a week ago |
| 19:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | Could be it's been a week. |
| 19:16.36 | sonic | none for me other than tzdata |
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| 19:19.58 | iluminator101 | thanks guys |
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| 19:20.26 | Anarchy | hi all |
| 19:20.30 | Anarchy | how can I change root pwd? |
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| 19:21.27 | somiaj | arghx: run passwd as root |
| 19:21.35 | somiaj | Anarchy: ^^ |
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| 19:29.48 | Anarchy | lemme try |
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| 19:31.43 | Anarchy | cool worked thanks :D |
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| 19:32.26 | rokra | Hi guys |
| 19:32.47 | rokra | I m looking to execute this binary on a debian ARM but it is not working, any ideas? chall9.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped |
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| 19:33.20 | valdyn | rokra: define "not working" |
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| 19:37.36 | andreim | hey, what are some neat tools to have for a webserver running debian? |
| 19:37.48 | Devastator-work | apache? |
| 19:37.54 | valdyn | a psu |
| 19:37.57 | andreim | i'm talking post-lamp |
| 19:38.00 | andreim | like maybe webmin/kloxo things |
| 19:38.14 | valdyn | wrong channel |
| 19:38.22 | Devastator-work | i wouldn't run webmin in a million years |
| 19:38.29 | andreim | can you direct me to a more appropriate one? |
| 19:38.43 | rokra | valdyn: -bash: ./file.bin: cannot execute binary file |
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| 19:39.33 | valdyn | poof |
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| 19:40.21 | Devastator-work | i guess you took so long to answer him |
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| 19:41.23 | earthian | Hello, I have had recently a serious crash of a hard disk. Now I am left with an unmountable system partition. I would like to try and recover the configuration files there mostly from /etc/. Can you suggest some nice tool to do that? |
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| 19:41.52 | Devastator-work | fsck? |
| 19:41.59 | nkuttler | your backups |
| 19:42.11 | goncalo | earthian: try gnu ddrescue |
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| 19:42.51 | arghx | earthian: if you try to mount it, what error(s) do you get? and have you ran fsck as suggested already? |
| 19:43.16 | earthian | I have not ran fsck yet. I will try this right now. |
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| 19:43.48 | valdyn | i wonder what a serious crash of a harddisk is supposed to mean |
| 19:43.52 | valdyn | if anything |
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| 19:44.07 | valdyn | in my book a head crash isnt recoverable |
| 19:44.09 | arghx | which is I wanted more information, but he doesn't want to give it seems |
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| 19:44.41 | earthian | valdyn, hardware failure, now I am working with a dd'ed image and trying to see if there is anything left :) |
| 19:45.12 | earthian | arghx, the errors are the usual about not found superblock. |
| 19:45.36 | earthian | let me first sort out the fsck.. maybe thats all I need :) |
| 19:45.43 | valdyn | thats a very high level error from the harddisk point of view |
| 19:45.48 | goncalo | any preseed experts around? I'm trying to do something that I imagine not a lot of people do and which requires modification of the partition tables... which preseed apparently doesn't support. My goal is to preseed the installion of squeeze in 32bit and subsequently in 64bit, using different partitions, but sharing the same /boot partition. I was wondering if there is anyway I can, for instance, leave some space left to be formated which the s |
| 19:46.56 | valdyn | goncalo: and requires the usage of non-debian stuff in /boot |
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| 19:47.28 | goncalo | valdyn: sorry, I lost you there, non-debian stuff what? |
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| 19:47.51 | valdyn | goncalo: im talking about the boot manager |
| 19:47.58 | goncalo | ah :) |
| 19:48.08 | goncalo | well, grub2 should work just fine |
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| 19:48.15 | supastuff | hi, is there a way, similar to debootstrap, to run the whole debian installer from a running system, with a destination being a newly attached HD? |
| 19:48.20 | goncalo | it will see kernels for both archs |
| 19:48.29 | valdyn | goncalo: one side needs to be maintained manually |
| 19:48.41 | goncalo | and each will have their own respective and individual entries the grub.cfg, refering to the respective partition |
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| 19:49.14 | goncalo | valdyn: what part am I missing? :) |
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| 19:49.32 | arghx | supastuff: that's what debootstrap is for |
| 19:49.33 | valdyn | goncalo: the part where update-grub doesnt just scan /boot and finds kernels to add entries for |
| 19:50.03 | supastuff | arghx: the reason being is that I want to install it on this new HD using lvm+crypto, and I have no idea how to do it via debootstrap |
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| 19:50.42 | rokra | valdyn: sorry for the arm file I got : "Illegal instruction" |
| 19:50.48 | goncalo | valdyn: that's taken care of by the fact that I won't be using update-grub, but in the off-chance I might consider it, what else does it do? |
| 19:51.13 | goncalo | in fact, it's gonna be mostly pxe-booted |
| 19:51.19 | arghx | rokra: there are lots of different ARM ISAs, new and old ones. maybe it's compiled form some that your ARM CPU doesn't know about |
| 19:51.20 | valdyn | goncalo: i dont know how it find the kernels, but it does not just scan /boot |
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| 19:51.37 | goncalo | alright :) fair enough |
| 19:51.43 | Devastator-work | goncalo grub2? |
| 19:51.43 | rokra | arghx: is there a way to find out what king of emulation I need to do, |
| 19:51.44 | rokra | ? |
| 19:51.44 | valdyn | rokra: i dont know what your "file" should print, but arm is *very* fragmented |
| 19:51.58 | rokra | s/king/kind |
| 19:52.05 | valdyn | rokra: why do you think emulation could fix this? |
| 19:52.14 | arghx | rokra: if you have the wrong ISA there is no emulation you can do unless you use something like bochs |
| 19:52.15 | goncalo | Devastator-work: yes |
| 19:52.26 | Devastator-work | goncalo check /etc/grub.d/ |
| 19:52.33 | rokra | arghx: I m installed bochs |
| 19:52.34 | arghx | rokra: the proper way to solve it is to use the proper compiler for the source code |
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| 19:52.56 | arghx | rokra: bochs is just a theoretical way. and I doubt bochs can do ARM anyways |
| 19:52.59 | rokra | arghx: this is a challenge ( arm file to reverse |
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| 19:53.13 | arghx | rokra: then get out your IDA pro and go to work |
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| 19:53.31 | goncalo | Devastator-work: thanks, I am familiar with it ;-) |
| 19:53.37 | rokra | arghx: I m on it but any ideas where to begin without the output of the file |
| 19:54.27 | arghx | rokra: how is this debian related again? |
| 19:54.27 | smhar | greetings |
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| 19:54.43 | iman | when we use 'ln -s' ? |
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| 19:55.24 | arghx | iman: when we want to. maybe explain your problem a little more? |
| 19:55.27 | goncalo | iman: it can be used as a shortcut, for instance |
| 19:55.38 | rokra | arghx: this is maybe not debian related: I ve just asked if someone has an ideas how I can run the file : ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped |
| 19:55.43 | goncalo | ..or to create a shortcut, more precisely |
| 19:56.11 | arghx | rokra: but this is a debian support channel so if it's not debian related you are very wrong here |
| 19:56.30 | earthian | arghx, and why I did not try fsck at the first place ... it found the filesystem and now its correcting it :) thanks a lot!!! |
| 19:56.49 | smhar | my brother is a windows guy. I am trying to convert him :-) I installed debian squeeze in his computer. today he asked my this: can I specify which websites/services each user is allowed to access? apparently, there is a central tool in windows to this |
| 19:56.51 | arghx | it wasn't me who suggested a fsck |
| 19:56.51 | rokra | yes of course I m here because I m use to be on debian / ubuntu channel :) |
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| 19:57.10 | valdyn | smhar: hah |
| 19:57.13 | iderik | how to i run a .run format file? :) |
| 19:57.20 | iman | goncalo, oh, a hard links, when we use export keyword, where it export is publishing (in which file) ? |
| 19:57.23 | valdyn | smhar: no there isnt |
| 19:57.26 | rokra | iman: sh file.run |
| 19:57.26 | earthian | alright ;D Devastator-work <3 |
| 19:57.34 | valdyn | smhar: maybe you can buy one |
| 19:57.39 | rokra | iderik: sh file.run |
| 19:57.41 | arghx | iderik: "sh <file.run>" usually. if it's a nvidia or ati driver: don't use it please |
| 19:58.04 | smhar | valdyn, its been a long time since I did a windows admin so I have no say on this |
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| 19:58.24 | valdyn | smhar: this is sold as tools to protect your children from visiting porn sites or similar |
| 19:58.28 | goncalo | iman, couldnt follow your question |
| 19:58.37 | arghx | smhar: it's filter software. dansguardian. and on windows this is 3rd party software too |
| 19:58.48 | iman | goncalo, why |
| 19:58.48 | iman | ? |
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| 19:59.05 | arghx | iman: what is your native language? |
| 19:59.13 | valdyn | smhar: its not very hard to do something like that in linux |
| 19:59.35 | iman | arghx, persian |
| 19:59.39 | smhar | valdyn, he is adminstring a clinic network and want to allow users to access only certain sites/services |
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| 19:59.52 | earthian | Has anybody noticed an extremely sluggish and CPU hungry Xorg on Wheezy? i am experiencing performance problems here... i am wondering if I am alone.. |
| 19:59.55 | goncalo | perhaps because my native language isnt english |
| 19:59.56 | valdyn | smhar: you want to whitelist by ip? |
| 20:00.02 | smhar | valdyn, what tools are available in linux for this |
| 20:00.14 | smhar | valdyn, not by ip, but by username |
| 20:00.20 | valdyn | smhar: uh |
| 20:00.23 | arghx | iman: dunno of any #debian channel in persian. your english is very hard to understand for u |
| 20:00.25 | valdyn | smhar: both? |
| 20:00.26 | arghx | *us |
| 20:00.35 | Devastator-work | earthian you can check bugs.debian.org, but i didn't see this behavior.. |
| 20:01.06 | valdyn | smhar: whitelist by ip, with seperate settings for each user |
| 20:01.18 | smhar | valdyn, using iptable? |
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| 20:02.31 | iman | arghx, I mean when we use 'export' keywords, the current variable which we export it, has been saved in which file? it is not understandable? |
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| 20:04.47 | arghx | iman: if you mean something like export PATH=/bin then it is not saved anywhere. it's only in memory and nowhere else |
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| 20:05.31 | arghx | but setting environment variables has nothing at all to do with symlinks or hardlinks |
| 20:05.40 | NuxRo | Hi, when's Squeeze's EOL? |
| 20:05.54 | arghx | NuxRo: 1 year after wheezy becomes stable |
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| 20:06.00 | NuxRo | arghx: cheers |
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| 20:06.25 | NuxRo | arghx: and when is wheezy expected to become stable? |
| 20:06.32 | iman | arghx, actually if is it in memory, I have to setting anytime the OS has been loaded, then should I set in into .bashrc ? |
| 20:06.41 | arghx | NuxRo: /msg dpkg siyh /msg dpkg wir |
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| 20:07.08 | arghx | iman: yes, or any of the other shell configuration files, depending for what you need it |
| 20:07.13 | Devastator-work | somebody is in a rush hehe |
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| 20:07.50 | shLONG | LIVE STEAM GUYS, DUBSTEP !! http://www.livestream.com/subbassdnb/?rt=1&ra=440738 |
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| 20:10.04 | iman | arghx, thanks |
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| 20:14.11 | en1gma | im running win7 and have installed wmplayer and ubuntu....(i hope ubuntu being debian based is good enough) and when i installed it i set the disk size to 10GB....well that wasnt enough so i used vmplayer to expand to 20GB but i can not get ubuntu to get to 20GB the fs is ext4 |
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| 20:14.29 | Devastator-work | en1gma #ubuntu |
| 20:14.34 | en1gma | its not really distro specific but i know some people in here know whats going on |
| 20:14.45 | en1gma | certainly you can read the Q and it is not distro specific |
| 20:14.46 | valdyn | en1gma: resize2fs /dev/partition |
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| 20:14.57 | en1gma | i tried that but it says its already the correct size |
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| 20:15.17 | valdyn | en1gma: then the partition itself is not grown |
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| 20:15.24 | valdyn | en1gma: fdisk /dev/disk |
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| 20:15.26 | arghx | please ask #ubuntu how to resize partitions. they have software for that. |
| 20:15.30 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 20:17.06 | en1gma | arghx it dont show the new extended partition |
| 20:17.09 | en1gma | gparted sees it |
| 20:17.15 | en1gma | 10GB unallocated |
| 20:17.24 | rww | !ubuntu |
| 20:17.24 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:17.35 | smhar | valdyn, so, should this whitelist filtering be done using a proxy (squid0)? or firewall? |
| 20:18.13 | arghx | smhar: if you use a proxy you need a packet filter to force the user(s) to use the proxy anyways |
| 20:18.17 | valdyn | smhar: is this about websites only? |
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| 20:18.44 | en1gma | dont give me some crap about ask in #ubuntu...this question has nothing to do with that....its not #ubuntu related |
| 20:18.56 | rww | en1gma: You're using Ubuntu, so yes, it is. |
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| 20:19.09 | en1gma | i could have just as well said debian |
| 20:19.12 | arghx | it's not debian related either. so you are in the wrong place here. please don't whine and accept it. thank you |
| 20:19.26 | earthian | en1gma, yes, you could :) |
| 20:19.27 | en1gma | this is funny |
| 20:19.28 | arghx | yes you could have lied, but sooner or later we spot people like you |
| 20:19.36 | smhar | valdyn, websites, services (IMchatting ..etc) |
| 20:19.42 | en1gma | ppl like me asking about how to resize a partition |
| 20:19.42 | en1gma | omfg |
| 20:19.46 | smhar | valdyn, and applications |
| 20:20.04 | valdyn | smhar: can you get any vaguer? |
| 20:20.04 | rww | en1gma: No, people like you who won't use your own distribution's support channel despite both your distribution and us wanting you to. |
| 20:20.13 | en1gma | i been there you idiot |
| 20:20.16 | en1gma | why do you think im here |
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| 20:20.17 | Devastator-work | you said you are using ext4, ext4 is not in use in debian stable |
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| 20:20.24 | arghx | !they don't know |
| 20:20.24 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 20:20.27 | en1gma | vmware said come here |
| 20:20.31 | valdyn | smhar: sounds like people are supposed to have access to everything except that they dont |
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| 20:20.50 | valdyn | smhar: for example skype will probably break if it doesnt have access to everything |
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| 20:21.06 | en1gma | next time i come here i will ask do you know some cool words for the bot to spit out....then your help might be helpfull |
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| 20:21.34 | Devastator-work | !volunteer |
| 20:21.34 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 20:21.36 | en1gma | Devastator-work your knowledge actually helped |
| 20:21.46 | rww | en1gma: Next time perhaps you should go to #ubuntu instead. |
| 20:21.48 | en1gma | ext4 sucks and i cant believe they used that without asking me |
| 20:21.51 | rww | Since you're, you know, using Ubuntu. |
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| 20:21.52 | pythonsnake | deb deb |
| 20:21.56 | en1gma | rww you really dont think i been there? |
| 20:22.06 | en1gma | and you dont think i been to #vmware? |
| 20:22.10 | valdyn | en1gma: why do you think that ext4 sucks? |
| 20:22.11 | rww | en1gma: I'm really wondering why you think it's appropriate to come here because #ubuntu is useless. |
| 20:22.12 | arghx | en1gma: please stop. |
| 20:22.31 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 20:22.40 | en1gma | rww sounds like you are 10years old and dont know how to help someone expand/resize a ext4 partition |
| 20:22.53 | en1gma | you should just say "i dont know how to do it" instead of trolling |
| 20:22.54 | earthian | en1gma, why do you think I went to debian like 5 years ago from ubuntu? :) |
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| 20:22.57 | arghx | !ops please show en1gma how to behave among adults |
| 20:22.57 | rww | en1gma: That doesn't appear to be an answer to my question. |
| 20:22.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: arghx complains about: please show en1gma how to behave among adults |
| 20:23.32 | smhar | valdyn, what he wants is: to restrict users (reception, accountant etc) to access the internet freely so only whitelisted sites will be allowed. Also, he does not want them to use messengers and download clients. Additionally, he does not want them to access graphics programs and other misc programs. |
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| 20:23.48 | mentor | erg |
| 20:23.58 | en1gma | did you ever thing that if you actually helped people in here that you could get more people to goto #debian? how do you think ubuntu took over? you think they took over because they were un helpfull? |
| 20:24.02 | ompaul | en1gma: given your attitude I guess you should (A) shut up (B) stop complaining about other distros (C) write another funny email complaining about how we don't solve your fedora problems eh? |
| 20:24.07 | smhar | valdyn, problem is that the same computer will be used by several users and some should be able to do that |
| 20:24.08 | en1gma | lol....you better look at the channel counts |
| 20:24.30 | mentor | An Ubuntu vs Debian war is offtopic. |
| 20:24.31 | valdyn | !info sabayon |
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| 20:24.35 | en1gma | not me |
| 20:24.37 | en1gma | thas you |
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| 20:24.57 | arghx | valdyn: distros are not packages? |
| 20:24.57 | ompaul | en1gma: we don't give one jot for channel counts they are what they are a self selected subgroups and if you have a debian question we may have the answer |
| 20:24.59 | en1gma | be a little more helpfull to people having problems and you might win them over |
| 20:25.00 | Devastator-work | en1gma well, you were there and now you are here and you still have a problem |
| 20:25.09 | mentor | en1gma: Did you seriously just say "You started it" to an op.? |
| 20:25.25 | en1gma | let me see that quote |
| 20:25.36 | en1gma | or are you trolling |
| 20:25.38 | Bushmills | why are so many ubuntu users with problems so bleedy arrogant? does that come with the distribution? |
| 20:25.50 | mentor | Bushmills: That isn't helping. |
| 20:25.55 | en1gma | im saying do you actually think you win people over by not helping them? |
| 20:26.03 | Bushmills | wasn't my intention to do so |
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| 20:26.13 | mentor | I see |
| 20:26.13 | ompaul | en1gma: you are a troll, and not a very good one. |
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| 20:26.34 | arghx | mentor: can you please stop the OT sandbox fight? I get activity constantly in this window and it's all BS. please? |
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| 20:26.37 | arghx | thanks |
| 20:26.42 | valdyn | smhar: something like "pessulus" probably combined with sabayon |
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| 20:27.03 | arghx | mentor: scarydevilmonastery.net ? |
| 20:27.26 | mentor | Yes. |
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| 20:28.19 | valdyn | smhar: but the usage scenario youre hinting at is one where you really really dont ever want to change os or anything |
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| 20:28.34 | valdyn | smhar: except where you can expect to save a *really* serious amount of money |
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| 20:29.18 | lazka | Is there a way to set the gtk2 theme in gnome3? |
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| 20:29.40 | smhar | valdyn, well, money is the keyword for this case |
| 20:30.53 | valdyn | smhar: so.. create locked down profiles where no terminal or similar is accessible and control web traffic centrally on a proxy that needs authentication |
| 20:31.18 | valdyn | smhar: thats makes pessulus, sabayon, squid, that should be able to do it all |
| 20:31.45 | smhar | valdyn, pessulus is now available in apt? |
| 20:31.54 | valdyn | judd: versions pessulus |
| 20:31.56 | judd | Package: pessulus on i386 -- lenny: 2.16.3-1.1; squeeze: 2.30.2-1 |
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| 20:32.04 | valdyn | judd: versions sabayon |
| 20:32.06 | judd | Package: sabayon on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.1-1 |
| 20:32.10 | valdyn | appearantly |
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| 20:32.24 | smhar | thanks valdyn |
| 20:32.44 | arghx | "system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings" strange stuff |
| 20:33.01 | valdyn | arghx: strange? |
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| 20:33.20 | arghx | the naming for example |
| 20:33.28 | valdyn | yea, like gimp |
| 20:33.33 | smhar | none of them made it to wheezy yet, so I can not test them for him |
| 20:33.37 | valdyn | or windows |
| 20:33.48 | valdyn | smhar: no, you got that wrong |
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| 20:34.03 | valdyn | smhar: none of those will ever make it to wheezy in all likelyness |
| 20:34.24 | smhar | valdyn, why? |
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| 20:34.50 | valdyn | smhar: gnome3 is not just a +1 version, its something totally rearchitected in many ways |
| 20:34.57 | valdyn | smhar: so whatever lockdown or profile manager spawns might be something not based on sabayon or pessulus |
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| 20:35.49 | smhar | valdyn, I don't get it. Wheezy will be the next stable debian, eventually |
| 20:36.00 | valdyn | smhar: but it wont have gnome2 |
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| 20:36.44 | valdyn | smhar: I heared you talking about accountants, what the hell would those do with testing? |
| 20:36.56 | valdyn | smhar: is your deployment 2 years away? |
| 20:36.59 | smhar | valdyn, but I am running wheezy with gnomw 2 |
| 20:37.10 | arghx | valdyn: pessimist! |
| 20:37.15 | smhar | s/gnomw/gnomw |
| 20:37.17 | valdyn | arghx: nah |
| 20:37.24 | tensorpudding | wheezy at presents isn't stable |
| 20:37.27 | tensorpudding | it's still changing |
| 20:37.32 | tensorpudding | it will have gnome 3 before too long |
| 20:37.50 | tensorpudding | when wheezy is stable, it won't have gnome 2 |
| 20:37.55 | smhar | valdyn, no, it will be done in a month or 2 |
| 20:38.09 | valdyn | arghx: im assuming that no sane person would deploy production desktops at the instance wheezy releases |
| 20:38.19 | tensorpudding | i assume that they'll bump the gnome too |
| 20:38.25 | tensorpudding | last i heard they still used 3.0 |
| 20:38.31 | valdyn | smhar: this is insane |
| 20:38.35 | smhar | valdyn, so that is probably why I am missing Planner in apt |
| 20:38.48 | tensorpudding | by the time wheezy freezes it should be 3.2.x |
| 20:40.40 | valdyn | smhar: when you implement a system like this you want something like a support contract for 5 years |
| 20:40.56 | valdyn | smhar: or the equivalent without a contract, not wheezy |
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| 20:41.54 | tensorpudding | if you want gnome 3 now, i suggest a different distro |
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| 20:42.30 | smhar | valdyn, the clininc is for my other (elder) brother. and it is soft open using all windows machines. we are trying to gradually change as much as possible to linux |
| 20:42.59 | valdyn | smhar: thats not a reason to use wheezy, its a clinic, not a nerd shop |
| 20:43.14 | smhar | valdyn, the computers there will run squeeze, |
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| 20:44.00 | smhar | valdyn, I was talking about wheezy in MY computer here. I though about installing them and testing them before deploying them in the clinic |
| 20:44.50 | tensorpudding | wheezy won't be terrible representative of your squeeze experience, to be honest |
| 20:44.52 | smhar | valdyn, :-) |
| 20:46.17 | smhar | tensorpudding, what do you mean? |
| 20:46.27 | valdyn | i feel trolled |
| 20:46.29 | valdyn | seriously |
| 20:46.34 | tensorpudding | the versions are different |
| 20:46.37 | tensorpudding | the edges are rougher |
| 20:46.46 | tensorpudding | if you experience issues, they won't necessarily be shared |
| 20:47.53 | smhar | tensorpudding, I was just to check the application overall, not the details problem :-) I understand the difference |
| 20:48.05 | tensorpudding | well |
| 20:48.08 | tensorpudding | so long as you understand |
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| 21:01.23 | smhar | judd: versions planner |
| 21:01.23 | judd | Package: planner on i386 -- lenny: 0.14.3-3; sid: 0.14.4-4+b1; squeeze: 0.14.4-4+b1 |
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| 21:03.39 | smhar | could someone please explain this to me? since Planner is available in Sid (same version as squeeze), does this mean it will take its way to wheezy soon? |
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| 21:05.25 | Devastator-work | i would say not necesseraly |
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| 21:05.56 | n-iCe | anyone who can help me to make my built-in microphone to work? |
| 21:07.01 | smhar | Devastator-work, why it is in sid then? |
| 21:07.19 | Devastator-work | smhar sid is unstable, things can go there yet |
| 21:08.14 | smhar | so what are my option to run Planner in my wheezy system? |
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| 21:08.40 | babilen | smhar: Pull it in from sid, but check its bugs (et. al) |
| 21:08.43 | babilen | dpkg: why is planner not in testing |
| 21:08.43 | dpkg | planner is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=planner |
| 21:09.28 | smhar | thanks babilen |
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| 21:10.01 | babilen | smhar: No problem, please also note that there is a #debian-next channel specifically for wheezy/sid support/discussions |
| 21:10.06 | nick_h | i'm rebuilding the redis-server package , and just ran "dh_install --fail-missing". unfortunately, it failed with this: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/redis-server': No such file or directory |
| 21:10.31 | nick_h | any idea what debian/tmp/redis-server is supposed to be? (IE: a file or a dir) |
| 21:10.46 | smhar | babilen, wow, I need that :-) |
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| 21:11.42 | smhar | babilen, it is an invite only channel :-( |
| 21:12.04 | babilen | smhar: Oh, sorry. Forgot to mention that it is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 21:12.15 | n-iCe | anyone who can help me to make my built-in microphone to work? 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 21:12.50 | ompaul | n-iCe: run alsamixer and see if you can "un mute it" assuming it is muted |
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| 21:13.40 | andref | hi |
| 21:13.55 | n-iCe | ompaul: is not that, is a configuration thing, works in kernel .39 but not in 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 21:14.01 | n-iCe | must be something with the driver |
| 21:14.10 | babilen | nick_h: That is not how you rebuild a package |
| 21:14.12 | ompaul | n-iCe: then use .39 |
| 21:14.15 | babilen | !tell nick_h -about package recompile |
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| 21:14.40 | n-iCe | ompaul: I can't, because my wifi has a bug, we already tried a lot |
| 21:14.55 | n-iCe | the wifi card does not work in 39 |
| 21:15.00 | andref | I've got modem Huawei E173U-2, any idea if it is possible to install it under debian ? :) |
| 21:15.29 | n-iCe | themill abrotman already tried to help me, without succeed |
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| 21:16.10 | ompaul | n-iCe: ah, lovely, in that case I think you may buy a new mic for external use or some such, they know way more than I ever will |
| 21:16.22 | nick_h | babilen: thanks, reading |
| 21:16.25 | babilen | andref: A bunch of those are supported right out of the box. You can user network-manager or wvdial for connecting. No idea about that particular device, but I would just try it. |
| 21:16.30 | babilen | !tell andref -about 3g |
| 21:16.35 | n-iCe | ompaul: don't think that's an answer, thanks anyway. |
| 21:16.46 | babilen | nick_h: But why are you recompiling the package? |
| 21:17.23 | n-iCe | abrotman: around? themill ? any want to try different things? |
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| 21:17.43 | ompaul | n-iCe: it is an answer, if they can't get you running you may have to consider building your own kernel and modules, start by reading what modules are loaded on both, and then make sure you add the extra stuff into whatever you build |
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| 21:18.09 | babilen | andref: If it doesn't work we/you need to check if support for that device was introduced in later Linux kernels. The output os lsusb would come in handy and you can check that against http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB |
| 21:18.15 | ompaul | declares two files not having the same md5sum not to be the same |
| 21:18.29 | nick_h | babilen: Debian's latest version of redis-server is very old, even in Sid. thus, i want to build a package around the latest version of Redis. |
| 21:18.42 | babilen | !tell nick_h -about uupdate |
| 21:18.46 | andref | babilen: Last time I've compiled my own kernel |
| 21:19.05 | aperturefever | Greetings. Does the live image of debian contain non-free firmware? |
| 21:19.05 | nick_h | sweet. thanks, babilen |
| 21:19.25 | babilen | nick_h: Please note that the packaging might actually need changes for the new upstream version. Please also take a look at the New Maintainer's guide as the procedure to update to a new upstream version is explained in there. |
| 21:19.40 | andref | babilen: Im not sure but 90% that I turned off pp and other uknown (than uknown) tools |
| 21:19.46 | babilen | nick_h: Which version are you after? |
| 21:20.02 | nick_h | babilen: thanks for the tips. i'll check out the New Maintainer's Guide. |
| 21:20.04 | babilen | andref: what? |
| 21:20.12 | nick_h | babilen: i'm going to build 2.4.1 |
| 21:20.14 | babilen | nick_h: Which version do you need/want? |
| 21:20.15 | andref | any idea how to check if kernel is ready for this? |
| 21:20.16 | andref | :) |
| 21:20.26 | babilen | ,versions redis-server |
| 21:20.26 | judd | Package: redis-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.2.12-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:2.2.12-1; wheezy: 2:2.2.12-1; experimental: 2:2.4.0~rc5-1 |
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| 21:20.55 | ronny | hi |
| 21:21.08 | babilen | nick_h: As you can see ^^^ that version is already in experimental (for a good reason I assume) -- You can try to build that (i.e. backporting) it to squeeze, but I have no idea how feasable that actually is. |
| 21:21.08 | aperturefever | anyone? |
| 21:21.23 | ronny | whats the prefered way to install/update wine on debian? |
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| 21:21.44 | nick_h | babilen: well, experimental has 2.4.0 RC 5, not 2.4.1 |
| 21:22.21 | babilen | andref: Check the USB database, google for it's USB ID, check "modinfo MODULE" for applicable modules, *just try if it works* (best option IMHO), ack-grep/git-grep a kernel git checkout for the usb id, ... |
| 21:22.29 | nick_h | babilen: reckon i'm better off upgrading the source within the stable or experimental version? |
| 21:22.43 | babilen | nick_h: Well, shouldn't be that hard to adapt that packaging to their stable release |
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| 21:23.07 | babilen | nick_h: But I haven't looked at the packaging and the changes in there, so this is just general advice |
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| 21:27.04 | acu | I have a remote computer - and one person who can insert a CD in drive - what is the easiest way to install debian that way so I can take it over then ? |
| 21:27.08 | thewanderer1 | Craigwd_2000, TIAS :) |
| 21:27.16 | nick_h | babilen: actually, i might be better off compiling the latest version of Redis manually, extracting the experimental deb, replacing the binaries from the experimental version with what i compiled, and then repackaging that |
| 21:27.40 | thewanderer1 | acu, tell them to launch SSH - it's in the installer in some menu (Expert Mode I think...) |
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| 21:28.27 | nick_h | babilen: (i'll need to update DEBIAN/control and DEBIAN/md5sums, obviously) |
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| 21:29.50 | Aenigma | hi, I was trying muck about programming with libcurl so I decided to install libcurl4-gnutls-dev. Unfortunately, aptitude says I get a 404 while trying to fetch its dependencies, krb5-multidev and libkrb5-dev. I'm on Squeeze with AMD64. Not sure what I should do. |
| 21:29.56 | babilen | nick_h: That sounds like a bad idea |
| 21:30.05 | nick_h | babilen: hahah why's that? |
| 21:30.24 | somiaj | Aenigma: do you have secruity.debian.org sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:30.25 | babilen | nick_h: Just steal debian/ from the exp package and uupdate to the new stable point release |
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| 21:30.49 | Aenigma | somiaj: yes, I do |
| 21:30.55 | babilen | nick_h: But /me is watching Rich Hickey's strange loop talk now, so excuse me for a while |
| 21:31.08 | somiaj | Aenigma: only raeson I can think that is happening is if a security bug is found, ther broken package is removed and the new version is only available via the security.debian.org (or eventally main squeeze with the point release) |
| 21:31.22 | somiaj | Aenigma: alrighty, then just run an 'apt-get update' make sure you have the most current pacakges avialble to you |
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| 21:32.04 | abrotman | n-iCe: hi |
| 21:32.20 | acu | thewanderer1: I am trying that right now |
| 21:32.28 | n-iCe | abrotman: nice to see you :) |
| 21:32.35 | Aenigma | somiaj: Ooh, I got an error trying to fetch some index files. That must be why. |
| 21:32.41 | n-iCe | abrotman: you think I should try a newer kernel but older than .39 ? |
| 21:32.43 | aperturefever | Does the live image of debian contain non-free firmware? |
| 21:32.51 | abrotman | n-iCe: i told you the other day ot recompile your kernel |
| 21:33.08 | somiaj | Aenigma: Double check your mirror, if its an offical one that seems odd, if its unoffical, maybe just switch to an offical or different mirror for this isntall |
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| 21:33.13 | acu | they need to choose expert install then ? |
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| 21:33.27 | n-iCe | abrotman: did, did not work |
| 21:33.34 | n-iCe | I am in defaults squeeze kernel now |
| 21:33.37 | abrotman | n-iCe: reCOMPILE .. not reinstall |
| 21:33.52 | acu | execute shell ? - can they start ssh from there ? |
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| 21:35.01 | n-iCe | abrotman: I DID |
| 21:35.02 | acu | Anyone - out there - once someone boots in expert mode - how can they launch ssh - so I can take it from there |
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| 21:35.06 | n-iCe | did not work, same bug |
| 21:35.09 | abrotman | n-iCe: how ? |
| 21:35.31 | abrotman | n-iCe: explain how you recompiled the kenrel |
| 21:35.57 | n-iCe | followed a tutorial |
| 21:36.03 | n-iCe | do you want me to find it for you? |
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| 21:37.16 | abrotman | that'd be grand |
| 21:37.19 | Aenigma | somiaj: okay, sorry, I see something that's kind of odd but I'm uncertain. I've two lines stating http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian but one has "squeeze main contrib" after it and the other has "squeeze main" after it. Is that okay? |
| 21:37.36 | n-iCe | https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/305766-recompile-your-kernel-for-a-perfect-fit |
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| 21:37.46 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe, what kernel bug are you hitting? |
| 21:37.51 | somiaj | Aenigma: it doesn't seem like you have a security.debian.org line and I would either have squeeze main contrib on both or not |
| 21:38.06 | abrotman | thewanderer1: the module is the wrong format |
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| 21:38.09 | n-iCe | thewanderer1: don't remember the wifi error in .39, in this one the built-in microphone does not work |
| 21:38.10 | phogg | Aenigma: the squeeze main contrib one is a superset of the other. |
| 21:38.27 | abrotman | n-iCe: that is not at all what i was asking you to do |
| 21:38.48 | Aenigma | phogg: so it's okay that they're both the same URL? |
| 21:39.28 | somiaj | Aenigma: you should only have one deb http://ftp.us.debian.org... line |
| 21:39.32 | Aenigma | somiaj: I've a third line, deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib |
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| 21:44.09 | somiaj | Aenigma: you don't need two lines they are redundent |
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| 21:45.25 | n-iCe | abrotman: then I have no idea how to, you did not guide me in how to |
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| 21:46.07 | abrotman | no .. because you ran off ... |
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| 21:46.26 | Aenigma | somiaj: I took off the deb-src and the second line and it seems to be updating. |
| 21:46.34 | abrotman | n-iCe: do you have a linux-source-2.6.39 available to you ? or something like that? |
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| 21:48.02 | shlevy | Is it possible to switch to an encrypted / partition after installation? I'll be using a fresh partition and copying everything over, not trying to encrypt in place, but how do I tell the system (presumably the initrd is the most important) that / is now encrypted? |
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| 21:50.43 | somiaj | Aenigma: deb-src is not the same as a deb line. Yes you can have a deb and deb-src line for the same mirror |
| 21:51.39 | n-iCe | abrotman: I can download and install it from backports |
| 21:51.43 | n-iCe | do you want me to? |
| 21:51.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:51.55 | Aenigma | somiaj: yes, I know. I took out all the deb-src lines I had in the file and took at the deb lines that referred to squeeze-updates. I thought you needed it for volatile updates. |
| 21:52.08 | n-iCe | abrotman: ok |
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| 21:52.34 | n-iCe | but last time you told me to install abrotman linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 21:52.45 | n-iCe | should I re-install linux-source-2.6.39 first ? |
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| 21:53.15 | abrotman | just install it .. |
| 21:53.35 | n-iCe | both? |
| 21:53.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:54.00 | abrotman | then reboot into the broken wifi |
| 21:54.08 | n-iCe | ok |
| 21:54.29 | n-iCe | but I will lose internet |
| 21:54.29 | somiaj | Aenigma: that was lenny, it changeds I belive |
| 21:54.40 | n-iCe | I don't have any other way to connect to the internet |
| 21:54.48 | somiaj | Aenigma: /msg dpkg volatile |
| 21:55.21 | n-iCe | well I can go downstairs to connect trhough ethernet |
| 21:55.29 | abrotman | n-iCe: okay .. then just install them both .. we'll see what happens .. we'll recompile with the kernel you're running |
| 21:55.47 | n-iCe | awesome! |
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| 21:57.35 | Aenigma | somiaj: so if I wanted squeeze-updates as "new-volatile" do I just put 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze squeeze-updates main contrib' |
| 21:58.34 | web21_ | iridos: looks like I'm back to trying to compile dbug symbols myself in gnash. "4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>". If that "me" is you, I'm asking:), if it is dpkg, who sent me that text, how do I ask dpkg? |
| 21:58.43 | judgen | any of you got a working build env |
| 21:58.45 | judgen | ? |
| 21:59.03 | abrotman | vague! |
| 21:59.34 | abrotman | has a clean kitchen table where he builds epic things with capsela |
| 21:59.42 | judgen | Maybe i have done the debian sintall wrong. i would like anyone else to try making it |
| 21:59.50 | abrotman | make what working? |
| 22:00.05 | judgen | nah just see if it compiles |
| 22:00.10 | judgen | twin |
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| 22:00.48 | boudiccas | Justasic; wooly question, ask another |
| 22:00.50 | abrotman | judgen: on squeeze? |
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| 22:01.01 | abrotman | fixes boudiccas's tab key |
| 22:01.25 | abrotman | judgen: what am i to try to compile ? |
| 22:01.26 | boudiccas | judgen; wooly question, ask another |
| 22:01.45 | Aenigma | is there a mirror for security.debian.org? I'm getting like 30kB/s |
| 22:01.55 | abrotman | it is a round robin |
| 22:01.57 | judgen | abrotman: If you can make it work at all ( it is an cli app) |
| 22:02.05 | judgen | i would be ver grateful |
| 22:02.07 | abrotman | judgen: you said compile ... |
| 22:02.14 | abrotman | i also still don't know where it is |
| 22:02.15 | judgen | can it compile?= |
| 22:02.30 | abrotman | are we going in circles? |
| 22:02.37 | boudiccas | yes |
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| 22:02.59 | judgen | 8:37http://freshmeat.net/projects/twin/ there is the latest |
| 22:03.36 | judgen | 2007 was the latest main change |
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| 22:03.59 | judgen | it is awsome. It is windowing in cli over SSH |
| 22:03.59 | boudiccas | judgen; sounds like its unsupported |
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| 22:04.32 | judgen | I know, but it works on arch without patches, so i do not know what to do. |
| 22:04.42 | abrotman | moment |
| 22:05.05 | babilen | judgen: Is this just some unsupported tmux/screen like program? |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | judgen: there's an error in the code |
| 22:05.36 | judgen | it is not just a tmux:er |
| 22:05.59 | judgen | it is a complete WM for SSH |
| 22:06.14 | judgen | abrotman: Where? |
| 22:06.30 | judgen | And is it fatal for running on debian? |
| 22:06.58 | boudiccas | judgen; well you havent sold it to me, no active development and nothing since 2007, and yet you want us to try it out |
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| 22:07.50 | abrotman | judgen: moment ... yes, won't compile .. i have a better idea |
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| 22:08.24 | judgen | boudiccas: it is not a matter of sale, but a matter of need. |
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| 22:08.44 | abrotman | you don't *need* it .. you want it |
| 22:08.49 | boudiccas | well, i don't /need/ it |
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| 22:09.25 | judgen | abrotman: I do not need anything electrical, but i want it. |
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| 22:10.25 | abrotman | is going ot hurt someone ... |
| 22:10.28 | judgen | But yes it makes it easier for RS SSH clients. And also for me to have flowing workspaces without X |
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| 22:11.38 | qrq | What was that? :D |
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| 22:11.47 | abrotman | a netsplit |
| 22:11.49 | boudiccas | qrq; a net split |
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| 22:12.49 | abrotman | judgen: have you tried to rebuild the ubuntu package on your Debian box? |
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| 22:13.53 | judgen | no.. and also the latest package for ubuntu crackles if ran on x64. thus trhe new one |
| 22:14.03 | abrotman | crackles ? |
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| 22:14.59 | abrotman | make -C libTutf |
| 22:15.00 | abrotman | make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/twin/twin-0.6.1/libs/libTutf' |
| 22:15.00 | abrotman | .modules:1: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 22:15.17 | judgen | exactly |
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| 22:15.33 | abrotman | okay .. so there's a nerror .. did oyu look into fix ing it ? |
| 22:16.50 | judgen | yeah |
| 22:16.57 | abrotman | judgen: i'd probably ask ##c or see if there's a channel for the autotools |
| 22:17.24 | abrotman | i have no idea what the format of that file is supposed to be |
| 22:17.44 | judgen | does arch have a different kind of tools, as it works there |
| 22:17.57 | judgen | and i do not want to use arch |
| 22:18.30 | abrotman | it might have a different compiler version and/or different patches |
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| 22:18.49 | judgen | that is likely |
| 22:18.51 | abrotman | do you have arch handy? can you look at the file to see if it's different ? |
| 22:19.12 | judgen | i could reboot, so yes |
| 22:19.39 | judgen | any particular file? |
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| 22:22.33 | abrotman | the file in that directory called .modules ? |
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| 22:32.42 | n-iCe | abrotman: still here? |
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| 22:34.53 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am trying to set export DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive and export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive then installing an package with apt-get -y install i still get prompted for an config overwrite or merge. any ideas? |
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| 22:35.03 | Jasonn | When I try to ssh into my server, I get this problem: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 22:35.04 | Jasonn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.18 | Jasonn | But the server is accessible in every other way. |
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| 22:40.14 | abrotman | n-iCe: yes |
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| 22:43.48 | web21_ | looks like iridos is gone. Can anyone tell me how to compile debug symbols into a deb pkg? I've done the build-dep, got the source downloaded and unpacked, but now I am apparently supposed to do something with debian/rules (whatever that is) to get debug symbols. Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 22:48.50 | abrotman | web21_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage .. google ? |
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| 22:51.29 | web21_ | abrotman: duckduckgo'd "debian build with debug symbols". 2 docs looked interesting, one was way too brief, the other way over my head and appeared to be using a method different from the one I was started on, so I'm feeling kinda lost here. |
| 22:52.23 | abrotman | web21_: so the one i linked is .. bad? |
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| 22:59.18 | web21_ | abrotman: sorry, I've been working at this from various angles most of the day. Gettin a little excited and didn't read your link right. I'll have a read. thx |
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| 23:00.15 | bar__ | Hi, |
| 23:00.36 | abrotman | i've been looking for a bar__ |
| 23:00.42 | bar__ | Using debian 6.0.3, /usr/bin/Xorg is using lots of CPU on a dell latitude E542 with an integrated intel GPU. Any idea ?: |
| 23:01.00 | bar__ | oh, sorry :) |
| 23:01.16 | Bartzy | E5420* |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | anything strange going on? |
| 23:01.40 | abrotman | always blames flash |
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| 23:02.50 | kristian-aalborg | greetings, #debian |
| 23:03.00 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/KETT0DXi >> my dmesg - comments welcome |
| 23:03.19 | kristian-aalborg | type=1305 audit(1319237371.714:8648): audit_enabled=0 old=1 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 res=1 |
| 23:03.23 | Bartzy | abrotman, I closed chrome now, had a few tabs... Xorg cpu dropped, but still 1st... |
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| 23:03.58 | Bartzy | abrotman, Flash is very common. What's the reason for the very high CPU usage ? |
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| 23:04.24 | george | when you do this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-create-a-larger-casper-rw-loop-file/ where is the casper file saved? |
| 23:05.01 | kristian-aalborg | that last line is weird... it started with last update, as of ten minutes agos |
| 23:05.08 | kristian-aalborg | -s |
| 23:05.12 | abrotman | Bartzy: any 3d rendering ? |
| 23:05.17 | Bartzy | abrotman, No. |
| 23:05.34 | abrotman | Bartzy: if you do a pstree .. what else is below it ? |
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| 23:05.37 | martianlobster | I try to run apt-get update, and I get a bunch of not found errors, http://codepad.org/JfrtOLmk |
| 23:05.39 | gentz | I'm running an ssh server on my laptop & its doing some heavy number-crunching (90% cpu, 60% mem use most of the time). After around 3-4 hours, it mysteriously shuts off & i have to reboot it. grep -ir'ing /var/log for the time it goes down shows nothing. I Wrote a script to monitor & log temperature, processes, & memory usage, but |
| 23:05.48 | martianlobster | does anyone know how I can fix the not found errors? http://codepad.org/JfrtOLmk |
| 23:05.48 | gentz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.09 | abrotman | turns off, or goes to sleep? |
| 23:06.32 | gentz | pressing the sleep button on the laptop did nothing |
| 23:06.34 | abrotman | !tell martianlobster about ado |
| 23:06.45 | gentz | although the power was still on & the screen blank. Also trying to ssh in showed the comp was down |
| 23:06.55 | Bartzy | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/qiuGXUNm |
| 23:07.00 | gentz | how can I tell if its sleeping by looking at the logs? |
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| 23:07.27 | Kateon | /var/log/dream.0 maybe |
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| 23:07.45 | martianlobster | abrotman thanks |
| 23:07.45 | abrotman | Bartzy: was less exciting than i thought |
| 23:07.57 | Bartzy | abrotman: Driver issue ? |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | could be .. you could force vesa |
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| 23:08.42 | gentz | pm-*.log files don't exist. Does that mean the laptop is not sleeping/hibernating? |
| 23:09.08 | Na_Klar | What do you use, if you want to have a live overview in regard to the system load within the terminal? (cpu, ram, disk i/o, lan i/o, etc ..) I expect there is something kinda 'common' for this. |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | atop ? htop? |
| 23:09.27 | abrotman | gentz: might not be .. |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | gentz: does it do the same if it's not crunching ? |
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| 23:09.57 | gentz | abrotman: no. i've left it on for several days without crunching |
| 23:10.39 | george | how can I get dd to use more than the iso size |
| 23:10.40 | gentz | abrotman: the processor load is usually 100%, but free memory never runs out to hit swap |
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| 23:11.14 | abrotman | gentz: is it possible it's a bug that's causing it to turn off .. not a hardware problem ? |
| 23:11.49 | gentz | abrotman: i've run the program on different machines with the same OS & software without any problems |
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| 23:12.05 | Bartzy | abrotman: |
| 23:12.08 | abrotman | gentz: uhm .. how do you feel about possibly killing the box ? |
| 23:12.10 | Bartzy | abrotman: How do I force vesa ? |
| 23:12.18 | gentz | abrotman: killing the box? |
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| 23:12.38 | abrotman | judd: info cpuburn --release squeeze |
| 23:12.39 | judd | Package cpuburn (misc, extra) in squeeze/i386: a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU. Version: 1.4a-1; Size: 15.2k; Installed: 112k |
| 23:12.45 | abrotman | Bartzy: in your Xorg.conf if you have one |
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| 23:13.02 | abrotman | gentz: fair warning ... i once destroyed a system with cpuburn .. but it would do the same thing |
| 23:13.14 | gentz | abrotman: its ok, the laptop is replaceable & cheap |
| 23:13.16 | abrotman | (as your crunching i mean) |
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| 23:13.30 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg, that's a message from the audit subsystem, generally doesn't look suspicious but you could use audit tools (such as ausearch) to inspect that in greater details |
| 23:13.38 | gentz | abrotman: but how will cpuburn help diagnose what the issue is? |
| 23:14.25 | Bartzy | abrotman: I don't have one. |
| 23:14.28 | abrotman | gentz: it will max out your CPU .. let it run for a bit .. see if the laptop shuts off again .. that would tell you if it's your program or possibly the hardware |
| 23:14.35 | abrotman | Bartzy: Xorg -configure |
| 23:15.16 | gentz | abrotman: So if it shuts down before the usual 3-4 hour mark, i'll know its a hardware issue right? |
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| 23:17.07 | |IlIIIIl| | Why can't I compile the nvidia 96xx module source in /usr/src |
| 23:17.14 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg, no idea what type=1305 is, but it's probably defined somewhere in the Linux source and it's possible to find out exactly what event triggered that message |
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| 23:17.17 | |IlIIIIl| | Where do I then get the linux 3.0.0 source |
| 23:17.26 | martianlobster | abrotman: I am using this for deb and deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ but what should I use for security? http://security.debian.org/ doesn't work |
| 23:18.31 | martianlobster | http://codepad.org/iLuqjVpu is what my sources.list file looks like |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | martianlobster: there isn't any anymore ... etch hasn't had security support in like three years |
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| 23:18.51 | abrotman | gentz: i'd imagine |
| 23:18.58 | martianlobster | ok thanks |
| 23:19.13 | abrotman | martianlobster: FWIW .. you should really etch->lenny->squeeze that box |
| 23:19.18 | kristian-aalborg | thewanderer1, my concern is if this message will be popping up all the time, that would be unacceptable |
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| 23:20.10 | martianlobster | I should probably get a whole new box |
| 23:20.11 | kristian-aalborg | this is an IBM thing? |
| 23:20.16 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg, is it? right now it's just 1 occurence... just find out what triggerred it by using ausearch |
| 23:20.41 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg, Audit is a Linux internal subsystem, nothing to do with hardware |
| 23:20.53 | Bartzy | abrotman: Could it be KMS ? |
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| 23:22.41 | |IlIIIIl| | Why can't I compile the nvidia 96xx module source in /usr/src |
| 23:22.42 | |IlIIIIl| | Where do I then get the linux 3.0.0 source |
| 23:22.47 | |IlIIIIl| | I'm using wheezy |
| 23:23.29 | |IlIIIIl| | Skip to my lou my darling |
| 23:23.41 | |IlIIIIl| | Is anyone sick of these stupid people who don't answer questions |
| 23:23.41 | kristian-aalborg | thewanderer1, it seems to be developed by IBM |
| 23:23.46 | kristian-aalborg | but not important |
| 23:23.47 | |IlIIIIl| | Well this is what I must say about that! |
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| 23:24.16 | popkill | ... |
| 23:24.35 | kristian-aalborg | no ausearch in repos |
| 23:24.38 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg, much useful code is contributed by IBM, RedHat et al. these days |
| 23:24.45 | thewanderer1 | ,file ausearch |
| 23:24.49 | judd | Search for ausearch in squeeze/i386: auditd: sbin/ausearch |
| 23:25.07 | Na_Klar | abrotman, ty |
| 23:25.33 | gentz | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:26.46 | kristian-aalborg | this is a daemon? |
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| 23:27.37 | thewanderer1 | kristian-aalborg, auditd contains a daemon and userspace tools to manage it... you don't have to enable the daemon though |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | i was getting to it! |
| 23:29.33 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you know about !ops .. right ? :) |
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| 23:30.31 | abrotman | watches ... |
| 23:30.53 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, yeah yeah, it's not like they might have missed that though :P |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it was almost off my screen .. |
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| 23:32.07 | thewanderer1 | hmm, username ban maybe? (is that possible, even?) |
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| 23:32.24 | abrotman | thewanderer1: give me a minute |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | jeez .. for a guy who won't call !ops .. you sure are impatient |
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| 23:37.36 | george | how do you get dd output to be a certain size? |
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| 23:38.55 | abrotman | george: what size do you want ? |
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| 23:39.29 | ham5 | where would i get checkinstall help? builds fine, when i goto checkinstall it, it fails |
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| 23:40.01 | abrotman | you can try here .. |
| 23:40.05 | george | abrotman, well this is the command I'm running "sudo dd if=geexbox-2.0-i386.iso of=/dev/sdc" but I want the sdc partition to be more than the size of the iso, so I can add a persistance casper file |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | george: not sure you can do that .. tohught about changing the ISO instead? |
| 23:41.21 | george | abrotman, how would I do that? |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | can mkisofs do it ? |
| 23:42.35 | george | abrotman, what do you mean by changing it? changing the iso size? |
| 23:43.04 | abrotman | changing the ISO . the whole ISO |
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| 23:43.31 | abrotman | or maybe try parted to see if you can grow the space on the USB drive? |
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| 23:44.34 | george | abrotman, see that's the problem, gparted is showing the space on sdc as unallocated whereas fdisk and df shows it normally |
| 23:45.55 | Na_Klar | abrotman, would you also know of a tool for monitoring network loads? Since atop needs a patch for that, and I do not want to re-build the kernel .. |
| 23:46.20 | Na_Klar | (since I even do not know what that is :p) |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | Na_Klar: aggregate? |
| 23:46.38 | abrotman | iftop |
| 23:46.48 | abrotman | george: so try to grow it .. see what happens |
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| 23:47.40 | george | abrotman, grow it in gparted? the space is unallocated, all of the space, it asks me to create a partition table |
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| 23:48.08 | abrotman | george: ugh . duh .. yeah |
| 23:48.15 | abrotman | !grow iso |
| 23:48.19 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 23:48.34 | pythonsnake | is wireless supported in netinst ? |
| 23:48.45 | pythonsnake | wpa2 |
| 23:48.47 | abrotman | pythonsnake: how many times do i have to answer you ? |
| 23:48.51 | george | !grow iso |
| 23:49.04 | george | lol |
| 23:49.09 | pythonsnake | abrotman, I just can't get it working |
| 23:49.11 | abrotman | george: dvd+rw-tools has a program called growisofs .. not sure if that will help or not |
| 23:49.16 | pythonsnake | dhcpcd fails |
| 23:49.19 | abrotman | pythonsnake: i told you THREE DAYS AGO .. it does NOT work |
| 23:49.38 | pythonsnake | so now what ?:( |
| 23:49.58 | abrotman | install without network .. setup WPA .. install the rest |
| 23:50.31 | george | abrotman, linux hates me :P I tried unetbootin which created the persistance file, but then the distro wouldn't load |
| 23:50.42 | pythonsnake | I can install netinst wihtout network ? |
| 23:51.32 | Na_Klar | abrotman, ty again |
| 23:51.40 | abrotman | george: let's try this another way .. what are you really trying to do? |
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| 23:53.54 | george | abrotman, I'm trying to put GeeXBOX on a usb flash drive, but I want it to support persistance |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:54.34 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | grabs TrueDD |
| 23:54.52 | george | TrueDD, gn |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | don't leave me alone with them! |
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| 23:55.11 | abrotman | george: you can try that growisofs .. not sure what else to do |
| 23:56.31 | TrueDD | good night, george .... |
| 23:56.50 | TrueDD | abrotman, !?what!? |
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| 23:56.57 | abrotman | night TrueDD :) |
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| 23:57.02 | TrueDD | :) |
| 23:57.12 | TrueDD | have a good night as well, abrotman |
| 23:57.17 | TrueDD | see you soon |
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| 23:58.15 | TrueDD | abrotman, they bother you? |
| 23:58.26 | abrotman | go to bed! |
| 23:59.05 | george | hmm |
| 23:59.17 | george | growisofs, not even in repos :/ |
| 23:59.28 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | are you using Debian ? |
| 23:59.42 | abrotman | i told you .. it's in the dvd+rw-tools package |
| 23:59.50 | TrueDD | abrotman, no, I won't let a friend down, do you want me to rule that? |
| 23:59.58 | initself | how do i open a particular port between two servers? |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | TrueDD: oh come on .. head to bed :) |
