| 00:00.06 | abrotman | initself: for what purpose? |
| 00:00.06 | TrueDD | abrotman, lol |
| 00:00.10 | initself | NFS? |
| 00:00.17 | TrueDD | good night again, see ya |
| 00:00.17 | abrotman | over the internet? |
| 00:00.20 | initself | No. |
| 00:00.31 | abrotman | generally .. you setup the nfsd .. voila |
| 00:00.36 | initself | But possibly across a DMZ? |
| 00:00.45 | initself | Would that be in the firewall? |
| 00:00.53 | abrotman | you left that part out .. |
| 00:00.58 | initself | I just added it. ;) |
| 00:01.17 | initself | The thing is, that machine can access a db inside the network. |
| 00:01.29 | initself | Does that mean there has to be open ports for the db? |
| 00:01.55 | george | abrotman, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 00:02.47 | initself | abrotman: Is my issue going to be a firewall port, probably? |
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| 00:07.09 | abrotman | initself: yeah |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | judd: versions dvd+rw-tools |
| 00:07.22 | judd | Package: dvd+rw-tools on i386 -- lenny: 7.1-3; squeeze: 7.1-6; sid: 7.1-10; wheezy: 7.1-10 |
| 00:07.28 | abrotman | george: see .. it's there |
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| 00:09.24 | n-iCe | abrotman: done, both installed |
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| 00:11.03 | reggaL | Where do I get the linux-3.0.0-source wheezy package |
| 00:11.08 | reggaL | it exists for linux 2.6.32 squeeze |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | i'ts linux-source-foo |
| 00:11.29 | n-iCe | abrotman: yes, both installed |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | n-iCe: unpack that source .. then copy the /boot/config- for the new kenrel into the source tree |
| 00:11.47 | reggaL | thanks |
| 00:11.58 | reggaL | I'm trying to install the nvidia legacy drivers |
| 00:12.15 | n-iCe | unpack? both were aptitude packages |
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| 00:15.41 | n-iCe | abrotman? |
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| 00:18.30 | n-iCe | don't leave me right now, |
| 00:18.44 | n-iCe | I cannot turn of my computer now, can't do a thing without wifi |
| 00:19.17 | civillian | why not? |
| 00:19.24 | ham5 | troll much |
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| 00:20.20 | abrotman | n-iCe: look in /usr/src/ |
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| 00:20.52 | n-iCe | abrotman: I am there |
| 00:21.08 | n-iCe | I see linux-source-2.6.39.tar.bz2 |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | unpack it with tar .. then copy the config from /boot/ for the .39 kernel to the new directory and make it be called .config .. |
| 00:23.22 | n-iCe | unpacked |
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| 00:24.40 | n-iCe | now I am in /boot, cuz there is not /boot/ in linux-source-2.6.39 |
| 00:25.12 | n-iCe | what config in /boot ? |
| 00:25.29 | n-iCe | this? config-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 00:25.59 | dvs | yes |
| 00:26.11 | n-iCe | but copy it to what new directory? |
| 00:27.46 | n-iCe | ? |
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| 00:29.51 | n-iCe | abrotman? |
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| 00:31.01 | abrotman | you unpacked it .. it crated a new direcxtory |
| 00:31.14 | n-iCe | called linux-source-2.6.39 |
| 00:31.19 | n-iCe | in /usr/src/ |
| 00:31.44 | n-iCe | should I just copy the config-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.39 ? |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | not what i said |
| 00:34.07 | n-iCe | can you explain better? |
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| 00:35.16 | n-iCe | please? |
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| 00:36.44 | kristian-aalborg | can I have grub2 load an OS from a floppy disk |
| 00:37.03 | kristian-aalborg | so that I have an entry that goes "Boot OS foo from floppy disk"? |
| 00:38.26 | streuner | why not just use BIOS? |
| 00:38.42 | n-iCe | I think we can do it in any other time you are not busy abrotman |
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| 00:39.36 | kristian-aalborg | streuner, BIOS could be used... this would be smoother, is all |
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| 00:42.47 | martianlobster | is there a way to tell ssh, to resolve a hostname to some address in .ssh/config, rather than using dns? |
| 00:42.56 | abrotman | n-iCe: copy it to the file called .config |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | martianlobster: use /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:43.18 | martianlobster | hmm |
| 00:43.49 | n-iCe | there is no .config file |
| 00:44.06 | n-iCe | in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.39 |
| 00:44.44 | martianlobster | abrotman: that worked! thanks! |
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| 00:45.16 | abrotman | n-iCe: copy the file from /boot/ to that directory .. call the new file .config |
| 00:46.22 | n-iCe | ok, copied config-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.39 and renamed config-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 to .config |
| 00:46.25 | n-iCe | what's next? |
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| 00:48.12 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 00:48.12 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
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| 00:49.03 | n-iCe | wow ow |
| 00:49.05 | n-iCe | is that for me? |
| 00:49.19 | n-iCe | you want me to ake-kpkg clean in the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.39 folder? |
| 00:49.35 | n-iCe | or all this? |
| 00:49.35 | n-iCe | make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
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| 00:53.28 | reggaL | I'm trying to install the nvidia legacy drivers |
| 00:53.35 | reggaL | but when compiling the modules it needs the source code |
| 00:53.36 | n-iCe | abrotman: do I Need initrd ? |
| 00:53.48 | n-iCe | make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 00:53.50 | reggaL | could anyone help? Where do I get linux-source-3.0.0-1 for wheezy |
| 00:53.52 | n-iCe | you think is correct abrotman ? |
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| 00:54.08 | reggaL | someone said it was called linux-source-foo |
| 00:54.50 | reggaL | oh it's just linux-source, sorry |
| 00:54.59 | reggaL | Funny, people on other networks give better answers than here |
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| 00:57.12 | somiaj | reggaL: its linux-source-3.0.0 |
| 00:57.25 | somiaj | reggaL: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-source-3.0.0 |
| 00:57.34 | somiaj | reggaL: linux-source is just a meta package that poinst at the current source |
| 00:57.50 | reggaL | alright, thanks, you help me out |
| 00:58.02 | reggaL | I've been having severe problems installing wheezy to work with older video cards in X |
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| 00:58.48 | web21_ | reggaL: if your apt sources are set up alright for wheezy you should be able to do aptitude install linux-source-3.0.0 |
| 00:58.52 | lapsusbrutus | would ext be significantly less heavy on harddisk hardware than a fragmented ntfs? |
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| 00:59.59 | somiaj | reggaL: then why are you using wheezy, its a testing distribtion currently dealing with the abi upgrade in the new xorg. |
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| 01:01.12 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: depends, what do you want the file system for, ext and ntfs are vastly different file systems. |
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| 01:01.18 | n-iCe | arb |
| 01:01.20 | n-iCe | abrotman? |
| 01:01.37 | reggaL | How do I mount other drives in bootable disc Debian |
| 01:01.53 | somiaj | reggaL: bootable disc debian? |
| 01:02.01 | somiaj | reggaL: the mount command |
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| 01:03.58 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: yeah know that, but read that a ntfs system with fragmented files will last less time than a ext disk. just want to know if this could be true. are some filesystem better for the disks than others? |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | n-iCe: the bot told you what to do ? |
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| 01:05.12 | abrotman | n-iCe: try it and see what happens |
| 01:05.42 | n-iCe | make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | try it and see ? |
| 01:05.55 | n-iCe | bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 01:06.33 | jordanm | ,file make-kpkg |
| 01:06.36 | judd | Search for make-kpkg in squeeze/i386: kernel-package: usr/bin/make-kpkg; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Debian/_make-kpkg; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Debian/_make-kpkg |
| 01:07.52 | n-iCe | done, what's next abrotman |
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| 01:08.10 | n-iCe | exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=20111021 |
| 01:08.11 | n-iCe | nothing to be done. |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | n-iCe: you nhave to install the kernel-package package |
| 01:08.45 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: well for linux ntfs really isn't that useful of a file system, but I have read a comparasion between linux file systems and some do take a bit longer to read/write than others in different situations. But I don't see that being a major factor in the life of a drive |
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| 01:08.56 | n-iCe | donde, now? abrotman |
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| 01:09.45 | n-iCe | I ran the command already abrotman |
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| 01:11.39 | abrotman | n-iCe: you nhave to install the kernel-package package |
| 01:11.53 | n-iCe | I did |
| 01:11.56 | n-iCe | is installed already |
| 01:11.58 | n-iCe | now? |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | run that command |
| 01:12.07 | n-iCe | done |
| 01:12.10 | n-iCe | what's next? |
| 01:12.29 | abrotman | aga9j\in |
| 01:12.33 | n-iCe | done |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | it should take awhile |
| 01:13.15 | jhutchins_lt2 | n-iCe: You are aware that the volunteers here are just fellow users who are spending their time to help you figure out your problems, right? |
| 01:13.21 | n-iCe | well it did not |
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| 01:13.42 | n-iCe | here is the output abrotman http://pastebin.com/9mkLDgxF |
| 01:13.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | n-iCe: Maybe you could try reading the documentation for some of the tools you are trying to use. |
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| 01:14.16 | n-iCe | what do you think abrotman, is something wrong? |
| 01:14.35 | web21_ | argh! after waiting a little over 3 hours for "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" to finish I got this http://pastebin.com/QkZ1G4Lz Is there anything I can do to fix that? |
| 01:15.47 | abrotman | n-iCe: read the screen .. is there an error on there? |
| 01:16.42 | n-iCe | I read it, and no, no error |
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| 01:22.29 | n-iCe | abrotman: what's next? |
| 01:23.00 | reggaL | HOW DO IP MOUNT A C DRIVE IN BOOTABLE RESCUE DEBIAN |
| 01:23.11 | reggaL | HOW DO I MOUNT A C DRIVE IN BOOTABLE RESCUE DEBIAN |
| 01:24.06 | somiaj | you use the 'mount' command from a tty, there is no 'C' drive in debian, the drive will be somethig like /dev/sd?? |
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| 01:25.23 | abrotman | n-iCe: do you have a .deb file in the parent directory ? |
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| 01:25.49 | n-iCe | in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.39 ? No |
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| 01:27.33 | abrotman | parent |
| 01:29.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | reggaL: Are you trying to mount a windows partition in rescue mode? |
| 01:29.46 | n-iCe | where is that directory abrotman ? |
| 01:30.56 | web21_ | n-iCe: the parent directory is one up from the one you are working in: /a/b/c/d c is parent to d, b parent to c a parent to b |
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| 01:35.31 | n-iCe | then /usr/src ? |
| 01:35.35 | n-iCe | no I have no .deb abrotman |
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| 01:37.16 | abrotman | okay .. i don't have an amd64 box .. but let me try this |
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| 01:37.57 | n-iCe | sure! |
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| 01:38.38 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld re-read that screen for an error |
| 01:38.57 | n-iCe | ok |
| 01:39.55 | n-iCe | I don't see any error, just nothing to be done. |
| 01:40.00 | abrotman | read it again |
| 01:41.06 | n-iCe | done |
| 01:41.07 | n-iCe | no error |
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| 01:44.21 | abrotman | n-iCe:btw .. did you ever try the .38 kernel in backports.org ? |
| 01:45.08 | n-iCe | no |
| 01:45.11 | n-iCe | could not find it |
| 01:45.24 | n-iCe | abrotman: so there is nothing else to do with me in there? |
| 01:45.37 | abrotman | i'm not done ... |
| 01:46.10 | n-iCe | awesome! |
| 01:46.16 | n-iCe | I'm waiting :D |
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| 01:51.50 | rypervenche | n-iCe: It would be much easier to just get the kernel from backports :P |
| 01:52.03 | somiaj | rypervenche: for somereason it didn't work. |
| 01:52.38 | rypervenche | somiaj: n-iCe followed the directions from backports-master.debian.org ? |
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| 01:53.13 | iceisfun | can someone help me figure out how to setup routing between a interface (eth0, dhcp, also another subnet routed here) and (eth1, gateway for said subnet here) |
| 01:53.15 | rypervenche | n-iCe: What didn't work when you tried that? |
| 01:53.38 | iceisfun | it kind of needs to act like a bridge, but eth0 needs to keep up dhcp stuff |
| 01:53.55 | n-iCe | rypervenche: after installed .39 my wifi card driver presented a bug |
| 01:54.03 | n-iCe | it just does not work after intalling the firmware |
| 01:54.15 | n-iCe | I am waiting for abrotman he says he is not done with me yet :D |
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| 01:58.44 | abrotman | still going |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | n-iCe: there's an error somewhere |
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| 01:59.09 | abrotman | n-iCe: in yours i mean |
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| 01:59.26 | n-iCe | could not find it, what does it says? |
| 01:59.27 | n-iCe | how to fix it? |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | n-iCe: you realize like those three lines the bot spit out are supposed to be one line .. right ? |
| 02:00.38 | allan_wind | Hi guys, I am trying trouble with permissions on mounting a usb stick. In particular I insert a stick, icon show up on xfce deskop, I click on the icon and the stick is mounted at /media/disk, however this is a vfat file system and files are owned by root instead of user. Any ideas? My google fu has failed me today |
| 02:00.58 | n-iCe | yes are in one line abrotman |
| 02:01.17 | n-iCe | root@dhcppc0:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.39# make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER |
| 02:01.39 | n-iCe | oh wait |
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| 02:02.23 | n-iCe | what an ass |
| 02:02.24 | n-iCe | sorry abrotman |
| 02:02.27 | abrotman | it's okay |
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| 02:02.39 | n-iCe | is working |
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| 02:06.38 | allan_wind | any pointers? |
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| 02:07.38 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 02:07.38 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:08.22 | allan_wind | dpkg: when I add a fstab entry I am not able to mount the partition via the icon |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | allan_wind: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | dpkg is a bo |
| 02:08.53 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, abrotman |
| 02:08.53 | abrotman | bot |
| 02:09.07 | allan_wind | yeah, sorry, took me a sec to figure out that ;-) |
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| 02:09.14 | dvs | not a hamm? |
| 02:10.13 | allan_wind | so the fstab thing works for manual mounts but it breaks the mount executed when you click on the desktop icon |
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| 02:11.38 | abrotman | allan_wind: what grouprs are you in ? |
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| 02:12.12 | allan_wind | This is for my wife and she is in these groups: |
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| 02:12.23 | allan_wind | uid=1001(mona) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),6(disk),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),108(fuse) |
| 02:12.45 | nick_h | babilen: ping |
| 02:12.47 | allan_wind | abrotman: file system is mounted alright but not with the -o user=$current_user option |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | allan_wind: who owns /media/stick/ ? |
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| 02:13.12 | allan_wind | allan_wind: it's auto-created when you click on the icon |
| 02:13.29 | allan_wind | haha |
| 02:13.32 | allan_wind | long day |
| 02:14.16 | allan_wind | abrotman: dir is auto-created when you click on the icon, and when mounted it's root:root 755 |
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| 02:16.21 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:16.41 | Guest79773 | how to get in a wireless network through the terminal? |
| 02:16.48 | rypervenche | dpkg: You're the man! |
| 02:16.48 | dpkg | rypervenche: i haven't a clue |
| 02:17.05 | cardamon | Guest79773: iwconfig. Read the man pages. |
| 02:17.06 | abrotman | depends on the wifi type |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | allan_wind: the dir comes and goes? |
| 02:17.28 | rypervenche | Guest79773: You can use wicd-curses |
| 02:17.31 | cardamon | You'll need wpa_supplicant an a /etc/net/interfaces entry if it's a WPA |
| 02:17.58 | allan_wind | abrotman: yes, whatever is executed when you click on the icon dynamically creates the mount point |
| 02:18.04 | Guest79773 | rypervenche, without X.org |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | -curses implies console |
| 02:18.34 | cardamon | I've got an issue with a sluggish mouse whenever something's taking up a lot of cycles. Like a streaming video. |
| 02:19.01 | abrotman | allan_wind: maybe you can do sometihng wiht udev rules in /etc/udev/ .. change the permissions or something |
| 02:19.03 | allan_wind | cardamon: might want to check out if you have shared irqs |
| 02:19.14 | cardamon | It's not clearly reproducable either. |
| 02:19.35 | allan_wind | abrotman: I tried... I think that only controls the device not the mount |
| 02:19.37 | cardamon | Like I paused the video then played it again and now it's better. |
| 02:19.47 | cardamon | allan_wind: what's an irq? |
| 02:20.06 | allan_wind | cardamon: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 02:20.58 | abrotman | allan_wind: i believe you can control the permissions on the mount also |
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| 02:21.17 | allan_wind | abrotman: hmm... ps aux has "hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sdf" so I will look at that for a bit |
| 02:25.30 | cardamon | allan_wind: I guess this is the relavent line? |
| 02:25.31 | cardamon | IWI: 0 0 0 0 IRQ work interrupts |
| 02:25.54 | cardamon | Each 0 is in a CPU column (it's a quad core CPU) |
| 02:26.37 | nick_h | babilen: thanks for your help with compiling and building a newer version of the redis-server package |
| 02:27.36 | allan_wind | cardamon: well... you want to see if something that is heavily used is shared with your usb device (assuming that is how you connect your mouse) |
| 02:27.53 | allan_wind | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.54 | allan_wind | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.54 | allan_wind | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.54 | allan_wind | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.18 | allan_wind | too many lines, I guess, sorry |
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| 02:29.42 | n-iCe | abrotman: still working, what should I do later? |
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| 02:30.17 | allan_wind | abrotman: sorry, I got kicked. You want to look for things sharing the same irq |
| 02:30.21 | allan_wind | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.37 | allan_wind | for example is one of mine. firewire, usb, and the sound card is shared here on irq 17 |
| 02:31.12 | allan_wind | abrotman: particular see what is sharing your video card |
| 02:31.22 | cardamon | allan_wind: Wrong guy |
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| 02:31.52 | allan_wind | cardamon: heh... I am in rare form today :-( |
| 02:32.04 | cardamon | It's cool. |
| 02:32.38 | cardamon | I'm not sure what's on the save husb device. I've got ohci and ehci and a bunch of each. |
| 02:32.51 | cardamon | s/save husb/same usb/ |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | n-iCe: yo install the packages and try them |
| 02:33.17 | cardamon | But I do have: ohci_hcd:usb5, ohci_hcd:usb6, ohci_hcd:usb7, nvidia |
| 02:33.33 | cardamon | possible that that's it. |
| 02:33.38 | allan_wind | cardamon: yeah, that's it... |
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| 02:34.00 | cardamon | 18: 4 43 2403 190098 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb5, ohci_hcd:usb6, ohci_hcd:usb7, nvidia |
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| 02:34.20 | cardamon | Would the fact that it's a RF mouse have anything to do with it? |
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| 02:35.00 | allan_wind | cardamon: yep, next step is to see if you can move the mouse to another usb... port, or see if you can move either the usb or nvidia to separate irqs. It used to be in the bios but I don't know how to do this now. google it perhaps |
| 02:35.15 | allan_wind | cardamon: unlike that RF has anything to do with it |
| 02:35.19 | allan_wind | unlikely |
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| 02:39.47 | cardamon | allan_wind: Anyway to deteming which usb entry links to which physical port? I have six to choose from. |
| 02:40.53 | cardamon | actually, according the the intterupts, I have 7. |
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| 02:40.55 | cardamon | Weird. |
| 02:42.23 | n-iCe | abrotman: what packages? |
| 02:43.31 | allan_wind | cardamon: identify a device you don't mind moving around, plug it in. |
| 02:43.46 | allan_wind | cardamon: then run this little script which will tell you what is plugged into each port |
| 02:43.50 | allan_wind | for f in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/product; do echo $f; cat $f; done |
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| 02:45.27 | allan_wind | ... and if you subsequently do a `ls -l /sys/bus/usb/devices` it will tell you the usb controller. You can also install the lsusb command |
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| 02:45.58 | allan_wind | (in the usbutils package) |
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| 02:51.22 | cardamon | I just got |
| 02:51.53 | cardamon | I just got an error when trying to update my package sources. |
| 02:52.05 | cardamon | "E: Release file for http://ftp-mirror.internap.com/pub/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 18h 21min 13s). Updates for this repository will not be applied." |
| 02:52.22 | cardamon | Does that mean it's the mirror itself that's got a problem? |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:52.40 | MrFrood | use another mirror |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | or your clock |
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| 02:53.32 | cardamon | abrotman: My clock? |
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| 02:53.42 | abrotman | not the one in your kitchen :) |
| 02:53.55 | cardamon | I'm getting the right time. |
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| 02:54.25 | civillian | is wondering if abrotman ever sleeps... |
| 02:54.25 | cardamon | 22:53 Eastern (don't ask my if it's Daylight or not...I don't know) |
| 02:54.32 | MrFrood | if you computer thinks it's tomorrow instead of today |
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| 02:54.42 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | civillian: not as much as i'd like .. even though i've got a cold .. i'll be lucky to sleep til 7am (it's almost 11pm and i probably won't fall asleep for at least an hour) |
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| 02:55.49 | dvs | knocks abrotman out |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | mama? |
| 02:56.19 | dvs | I'd have to call NCIS for him |
| 02:56.55 | civillian | abrotman: it's 13:50 AEDST here (+11 GMT) and although it's overcast the sun has some bite |
| 02:57.15 | cardamon | MrFrood: It' thinks it's friday the 21st. |
| 02:57.20 | cardamon | So do I. |
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| 02:57.28 | civillian | abrotman: Sunny Canberra/Aus |
| 02:58.06 | n-iCe | abrotman: what packages? |
| 02:58.21 | MrFrood | 22ndt here :P |
| 02:59.26 | cardamon | Silly question...was playonlinux removed from all the repos? |
| 02:59.31 | beaker__ | Hello all. It seems that alot my menu icons are missing, mostly for stuff in system>administration. The programs are definitely installed and I they aren't in the menu options window. I'm stumped can you help? |
| 03:00.01 | MrFrood | use 'date -u'for comparisios |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | n-iCe: the ones that will be in the parent dir |
| 03:00.15 | n-iCe | i don't get it |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | n-iCe: let me know when it's done compiling |
| 03:00.29 | n-iCe | ok |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | civillian: but no .. generally not .. it's worse in the summer months |
| 03:00.41 | cardamon | Sat Oct 22 03:00:26 UTC 2011 |
| 03:00.49 | cardamon | Anyone else get the same? |
| 03:01.15 | MrFrood | cardamon: your clock is ok |
| 03:01.23 | cardamon | So it's the mirror? |
| 03:01.31 | allan_wind | finally figured it out... <http://www.mythic-beasts.com/~mark/random/hal/> suggested a particular format for the disk, and once I changed it, I was able to mount the file with the right permissions |
| 03:01.34 | MrFrood | looks like it |
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| 03:04.03 | cardamon | If I make a change to /etc/profile, do I need to source /etc/profile as well? |
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| 03:41.01 | sencha | Does CD1 of stable contain X? |
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| 03:41.08 | rww | yes |
| 03:41.38 | sencha | rww, sweet, thanks |
| 03:41.52 | rww | CD1 contains standard packages and GNOME desktop; there are other CD1s with KDE and XFCE+LXDE |
| 03:43.01 | abrotman | some of gnome |
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| 03:44.18 | sencha | I just tried installing Debian and selected "Graphical desktop" and "standard system utilities" (or whatever it was), and it got to file 512 and started downloading files from the net.. with 3-4 hours to go... I don't want to install anything from the net, should I just unselect these? |
| 03:44.33 | sencha | and then manually install X, etc |
| 03:45.28 | JohnPrimeXXL | let's go clubbing, anyone? |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | JohnPrimeXXL: need help with Debian ? |
| 03:46.48 | abrotman | sencha: probably .. it'll still grab some updated files .. but not 500 of them |
| 03:46.50 | JohnPrimeXXL | oops, no |
| 03:47.08 | sencha | abrotman, so the 3-4 hour time wasn't correct? |
| 03:47.21 | abrotman | sencha: depends on your bandwidth |
| 03:47.28 | sencha | 40-80 KB/s |
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| 03:57.15 | ex-parrot | hi all... I'm trying to get nsswitch to failover from ldap to db |
| 03:57.17 | ex-parrot | in the event that ldap is down |
| 03:57.33 | ex-parrot | but I can't find a combination of status / actions which lets this work |
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| 03:58.09 | ex-parrot | oh, well, my db is empty |
| 03:58.11 | ex-parrot | that probably explains it |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:58.59 | ex-parrot | curse you nss_updatedb |
| 04:00.02 | abrotman | all done whining? :) |
| 04:00.11 | ex-parrot | yep :) |
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| 05:03.38 | isOTRmessagingAR | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.51 | isOTRmessagingAR | is otr and perfect-forward-secrecy now defunct? compromised? obsolete? |
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| 05:05.57 | isOTRmessagingAR | cygnus? |
| 05:06.18 | isOTRmessagingAR | do you know jpb? |
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| 05:10.02 | voidmage | An update came down that slightly changed the gnome file chooser. When I navigate it with the keyboard and open a folder, the location text box takes or steals focus now |
| 05:10.05 | voidmage | Anyone else notice this? |
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| 05:16.34 | voidmage | And it might have just disappeared... |
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| 05:18.06 | n-iCe | abrotman: still there? |
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| 05:19.19 | n-iCe | don't think so |
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| 05:20.14 | n-iCe | It have finished, I'm going to sleep, will talk to you tomorrow, I won't turn off the laptop abrotman thanks. |
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| 05:21.22 | TehRabbitt | okay, I have an external scsi tape drive (LTO2 with autochanger holding 8 tapes)... what is the easiest way to backup a specific directory / mount point and can I create a shell script that will let me run it lets say once a week? |
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| 05:22.37 | voidmage | Okay it only happens when I use folders containing files |
| 05:22.59 | voidmage | I'm not sure what package to file this bug against though |
| 05:22.59 | internat | hi guys. is thre a different way of doing dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/packages; aptitude -u dselect-upgrade in 6.0.3? |
| 05:24.02 | somiaj | what is it you are trying to do internat ? |
| 05:24.29 | internat | restore server. i have the dpkg --get-selections from the backup. trying to re-install everything based on that |
| 05:24.38 | TehRabbitt | anyone here know about tape drives? |
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| 05:25.58 | voidmage | Can someone try to reproduce this? |
| 05:26.02 | somiaj | internat: that should work |
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| 05:27.31 | internat | i cant find the command |
| 05:28.15 | somiaj | find what command? |
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| 05:37.43 | internat | its ok. it was apt-get, not aptitude |
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| 06:34.11 | cesurasean | what is the best system to use for load balancing open source debian? |
| 06:34.14 | cesurasean | this monkey project? |
| 06:34.22 | cesurasean | ultra monkey? |
| 06:34.39 | aypea[2] | that is a question with much depth and many restless chickens. |
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| 06:36.09 | cesurasean | well, i understand that, but what are the best ones to chose from? |
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| 06:39.48 | cesurasean | besides haproxy, what other program would i need to load balance mysql, proftpd, and such? |
| 06:40.04 | cesurasean | or, should i be looking at some kind of "cloud" solution? |
| 06:40.55 | cesurasean | like openstack? |
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| 06:57.03 | handygandy | Has anyone tried building KDE Active One for testing? |
| 06:57.15 | arghx | !anyone |
| 06:57.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 06:58.49 | handygandy | vcmake hangs looking for one of these three: FindKActivities.cmake , KActivitiesConfig.cmake, and kactivities-config.cmake . |
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| 07:27.41 | jaggz | anyone know how I can block these .. so I don't have to see them at all? http://prntscr.com/3m48y |
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| 07:27.55 | jaggz | I'm using postfix, spamassassin.. hmm.. what else |
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| 07:29.38 | arghx | jaggz: depends on the rest of your mail setup. procmail, amavisd, etc |
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| 07:35.32 | jaggz | no amavisd .. hm |
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| 07:45.25 | BenNZ | hi , using debian testing , and after an update i cant start a new login in a window , i get an error message about my .Xauthority is not setup , can anyone point me in the right direction |
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| 07:50.36 | jokar | hello all |
| 07:50.49 | jokar | i download ubuntu for mac and want install it on my mac g4 |
| 07:50.54 | jokar | what should i do? |
| 07:50.58 | jokar | o/ all |
| 07:51.24 | jokar | i burn it on a cd but when i restart mac and press alt key it is not select my cd |
| 07:51.26 | jokar | :( |
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| 07:52.17 | sencha | jokar, did you try asking in #ubuntu first? |
| 07:52.31 | jokar | yeah\ |
| 07:52.36 | jokar | but this room is busy |
| 07:52.45 | jokar | and they can't answer me |
| 07:52.47 | jokar | :( |
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| 07:53.08 | sencha | I'm not familiar with macs, so I can't answer your question :/ |
| 07:53.11 | jokar | can you help me? |
| 07:53.30 | jokar | if i use windows for burn disc mac can be read this cd? |
| 07:53.54 | sencha | I wouldn't see why not. |
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| 07:54.12 | sencha | so long as you burned it correctly, it should work, I would assume |
| 07:54.31 | jokar | but mac not select my cd |
| 07:54.33 | jokar | :( |
| 07:54.44 | jokar | i\m a debian user not mac |
| 07:54.52 | jokar | i wanna install ubuntu on mac |
| 07:54.57 | jaggz | bbl |
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| 07:55.32 | peterrooney | jokar: while I appreciate the effort required to get any variation of linux working on a powerpc mac, this is the wrong channel. PLEASE /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 07:56.51 | sencha | jokar, did you try posting to the ubuntu forums? |
| 07:57.11 | jokar | nah |
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| 07:58.46 | peterrooney | jokar: also, try /join #ubuntu-ppc - small, but likely just as knowledgeable about ubuntu on ppc as #debianppc is about debian on ppc |
| 07:59.00 | jokar | thanks |
| 07:59.03 | jokar | i test it |
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| 08:00.44 | Guest80678 | but mac are not pcs? |
| 08:01.25 | aypea[2] | they're like grandma from little red riding hood. |
| 08:01.34 | babilen | Guest80678: No, not for a long time as they used PowerPC processors. (â #debian-offtopic) |
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| 08:03.42 | calculon_ | hi, guys |
| 08:03.55 | calculon_ | I am on Debian again. |
| 08:03.59 | calculon_ | =) |
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| 08:04.03 | calculon_ | centos is hsit |
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| 08:04.06 | calculon_ | shit* |
| 08:04.44 | Guest80678 | mmm... |
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| 08:13.05 | Renski | installing debian for the first time, but it's got to 75% on Installing the base system, "Installed locales". Anyway I can check if it's still doing something? |
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| 08:14.21 | arghx | Renski: ctrl+alt+f2 and you can run "ps aux" there for example |
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| 08:14.33 | arghx | you can also check if it does something on your installation target |
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| 08:23.40 | nio707 | hello |
| 08:24.07 | nio707 | i need to extract the files from the img file |
| 08:24.18 | arghx | which img file exactly? |
| 08:24.29 | nio707 | file command is showing data |
| 08:24.50 | nio707 | i used cpio squashfs, gunzip and rar but fails |
| 08:25.00 | nio707 | i don't what kind of format it is using |
| 08:25.22 | nio707 | it is the rootimage file of a embebded device |
| 08:25.22 | arghx | please answer the question |
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| 08:25.58 | nio707 | rootimage file of a embebded device which run embebded linux |
| 08:26.24 | arghx | wonders how that is debian related |
| 08:27.11 | nio707 | arghs well i could not find the way for the solution so i thought that debian users might help me out |
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| 08:31.31 | fasta | Why does my downarrow key stop functioning if I start texmacs? |
| 08:32.00 | fasta | Even after the program has closed it still doesn't work. A reboot solves the problem. |
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| 08:33.04 | boudiccas | fasta; have you tried logging out an dback in again? |
| 08:33.19 | fasta | boudiccas: no, but that likely also works. |
| 08:33.38 | fasta | boudiccas: if I use xev, I see that down arrow is mapped to Super_R. |
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| 08:33.55 | fasta | boudiccas: but why it would possibly do that? No idea. |
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| 08:35.38 | d1b | can anyone helpe me boot a remote vm by getting it started from a busybox prompt |
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| 08:38.36 | Ambrose | Hi I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze on a Dell 2950 but it isn't detecting any disks. In the old version of Debian I was running it was using module megaraid_sas. When I select this driver from the list during the installer it still shows no disks. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:39.25 | TechDesk | :/ no |
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| 08:45.55 | Ambrose | :( |
| 08:48.29 | qrq | Anyone have seen this? :D http://debdelta.debian.net |
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| 08:54.24 | Anarchy | hi all |
| 08:54.43 | Anarchy | can you have 2 firewalls installed ? Linux firewall and ConfigServer firewall? |
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| 09:03.47 | p_quarles | Anarchy: in most cases, "firewall" programs for Debian are merely frontends for iptables; you can certainly have more than one front end installed, but there will no benefit, and there could be problems if they overwrite each other haphazardly |
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| 09:05.55 | Ambrose | TechDesk: Turns out the on board raid had been disabled in the BIOS somehow |
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| 09:18.09 | jokar | all: |
| 09:18.11 | jokar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.21 | jokar | what should i do? |
| 09:18.27 | jokar | i think it is fuc?ed |
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| 09:22.59 | Digdilem | ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 09:24.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | jokar: you should install debian... (then ask again) |
| 09:26.37 | jokar | hey |
| 09:26.49 | jokar | can you help me |
| 09:27.06 | jokar | ubuntu room is busy |
| 09:27.16 | TechDesk | use debian |
| 09:27.20 | boudiccas | jokar; ask in #ubuntu, we cant help you |
| 09:27.28 | jokar | i |
| 09:27.34 | jokar | 'm debian userr |
| 09:27.43 | jokar | but i wanna install ubuntu on mac g4 |
| 09:27.50 | jokar | after install it fucked\ |
| 09:28.10 | boudiccas | jokar; ask in #ubuntu, they can help you |
| 09:28.32 | jokar | ok |
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| 09:31.05 | jokar | boudiccas:no |
| 09:31.13 | jokar | boudiccas: it show me a "?" |
| 09:31.19 | jokar | it is not work |
| 09:31.54 | boudiccas | jokar; what do you not understand? we cant help you, ask in #ubuntu |
| 09:32.03 | jokar | ok |
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| 09:40.27 | robin_sz | hi, so I have an old Etch box that I need to install a package on, and etch no longer exists in the dists/ directory on the morrors .. is there a magical line I need tp put in sources.list? |
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| 09:41.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | robin_sz: look up archive |
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| 09:44.58 | robin_sz | err, |
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| 09:45.26 | robin_sz | ahh tried archive.debian.org .. that seemed to work, cheers |
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| 09:47.13 | BlackBishop | anyone can explain this: load average: 0.19, 0.19, 0.22, knowing that there is no service started and all other processes are sleeping ? :| |
| 09:47.18 | BlackBishop | top reports: Tasks: 40 total, 1 running, 39 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie, the 1 running being top |
| 09:47.26 | BlackBishop | it seems kworker is keeping my cpu awake for quite some time .. |
| 09:47.38 | BlackBishop | and from what I've read .. it's an acpi problem ( which sheevaplug doesn't have at all ) .. |
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| 09:48.26 | robin_sz | did you install KDE? |
| 09:48.31 | BlackBishop | lol NO |
| 09:48.36 | BlackBishop | it's a headless sheevaplug ! |
| 09:48.41 | amero | weird i can't ssh into my debian vm anymore after updated it today. nmap'ed the vm, looks like the ssh port is opened but it keep refusing my ssh attempt |
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| 09:51.11 | robin_sz | BlackBishop, its basically the kernel ACPI thread, it was an issue on some kernels prior to 2.6.39 |
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| 09:51.59 | BlackBishop | robin_sz Linux sheevaplug-debian 3.0.0-1-kirkwood #1 Sun Aug 28 14:30:35 UTC 2011 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 09:52.15 | robin_sz | thats great |
| 09:52.20 | BlackBishop | can I disable acpi completely knowing that sheevaplug doesn't have/support acpi ? |
| 09:52.23 | jelly-home | BlackBishop: what's the load without top running. |
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| 09:52.39 | BlackBishop | jelly-home 0.17 now :| |
| 09:52.48 | jelly-home | so ignore it |
| 09:52.57 | BlackBishop | why would I ? |
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| 09:53.05 | BlackBishop | it's 0.17 ! it's not 0.00 ! |
| 09:53.10 | jelly-home | oh noes! |
| 09:53.10 | stefuNz | hi. i mounted a new hard drive (ntfs) but my user 'stefunz' has no permission to read/write it (root does!) |
| 09:53.11 | BlackBishop | it should be 0.00 when everything is sleeping ! |
| 09:53.28 | robin_sz | you could try echo disable > /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe01 but don't blame me if it kills it/your dog/ your parents |
| 09:53.28 | stefuNz | so what can i do so that user 'stefunz' can read and write on that harddrive |
| 09:53.41 | BlackBishop | robin_sz there's no /sys/firmware/acpi unfortunately ! :| |
| 09:53.51 | robin_sz | then I dont know |
| 09:53.57 | jelly-home | BlackBishop: so not everything is sleeping. |
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| 09:54.13 | BlackBishop | jelly-home exactly, that kworker keeps poppin' up ! |
| 09:54.25 | jelly-home | it's a kernel thread |
| 09:54.45 | BlackBishop | which should dissapear if I tell the kernel acpi=off, right ? |
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| 09:55.50 | jelly-home | I don't know enough about your embedded platform. |
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| 09:57.57 | jelly-home | but really, if everything's working, it makes no sense to worry about load average numbers. |
| 09:58.47 | BlackBishop | I'll try acpi=off when I get home. |
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| 10:12.47 | robin_sz | whats the serial terminal app that isnt minicom? |
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| 10:17.15 | orfix | Hi, do you know how can I change the color rules for files (colors depend on file rights) ? thanks. |
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| 10:17.23 | orfix | I don't want to have a background color when I do an "ls --color=always" |
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| 10:18.05 | BlackBishop | robin_sz screen works as a serial terminal if you want .. |
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| 10:18.46 | aypea[2] | orfix: dircolors is the util you want |
| 10:19.03 | orfix | aypea[2]: Thank you, I'll check that ! |
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| 10:20.14 | robin_sz | BlackBishop, ah, it does perfect ... how do I connect screen to /dev/ttyS0 at 9600 baud? |
| 10:21.01 | BlackBishop | screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 ? |
| 10:21.11 | robin_sz | simple as that? wow ... |
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| 10:21.14 | robin_sz | thanks |
| 10:21.20 | BlackBishop | test it first, I'm not sure .. |
| 10:21.25 | BlackBishop | but it should work, glad I can help ! |
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| 10:23.29 | robin_sz | yep, seems to! |
| 10:23.50 | robin_sz | thats all I need ... type crap on kbd, goes out on tx pin, stuff from rx pin appears on screen |
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| 10:24.32 | songmachine | hi |
| 10:24.37 | orfix | to specify 8bit per character, no parity, one bit stop, add this at the end of you command line "8N1" |
| 10:24.50 | robin_sz | right |
| 10:25.07 | robin_sz | hopefully, this will now talk to my laser :) |
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| 10:26.08 | orfix | before I was using minicom, but screen works better in my opinion |
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| 10:26.21 | BlackBishop | yeah, it handles utf8 better |
| 10:26.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | nice, i've never used screen like that. will have to remember next time i'm tempted by minicom |
| 10:26.51 | robin_sz | dont really care about charsets, just need to know it is leaving on the pin and reading anyting that comes in |
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| 10:27.07 | BlackBishop | you could cat and echo to it I guess |
| 10:27.14 | project2501a | hey guys. is there an R helper, that makes a debian package out of CRAN modules? |
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| 10:27.24 | orfix | I remember one time I had to type a Ctrl+C on the first 3 second of a device boot, and it didn't work with minicom, only with screen ! |
| 10:27.26 | project2501a | much like the perl CPAN helper? |
| 10:27.30 | robin_sz | whenever stuff starts talking about "phonebooks" and "modem offline" ... im never shure its actually sending what i type |
| 10:28.12 | songmachine | i can't install google chrome browser, i mean i was installed but cannot use, becouse i have error "No such file or directory", somebody help me, please? |
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| 10:28.51 | robin_sz | songmachine, what are you doing when you see that error? |
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| 10:30.32 | songmachine | in menu click on the google browser icon |
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| 10:30.59 | BlackBishop | try running it from a terminal, should provide more info |
| 10:31.10 | songmachine | ok |
| 10:31.22 | robin_sz | the menu is no longer pointing at the location of the browser exeutable .. you prbably deleted or moved the folder it used to live in |
| 10:32.00 | BlackBishop | that too |
| 10:32.01 | songmachine | i was try and have error: command not found |
| 10:32.14 | robin_sz | no, |
| 10:32.28 | robin_sz | chnage directory to the one where chrome is |
| 10:32.42 | robin_sz | type ./chrome (or whatever it is called) |
| 10:33.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | songmachine: how did you install? |
| 10:33.31 | songmachine | i don't know where is browser installed |
| 10:33.45 | asdff | do a locate |
| 10:33.54 | BlackBishop | better, do a find ! |
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| 10:34.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps everyone for not waiting to hear the answer |
| 10:34.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm putting $5 on him installing chromium-bsu |
| 10:34.30 | songmachine | i add repository and in the synaptic find and install goog-chrome-stable pakages |
| 10:34.31 | BlackBishop | wth is chromium-bsu ? |
| 10:34.32 | asdff | lol |
| 10:34.44 | asdff | is it beta? |
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| 10:35.11 | songmachine | it's not chromium |
| 10:35.20 | jelly-home | no, that's Chrome |
| 10:35.31 | asdff | oh yes so thats binary only |
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| 10:35.35 | jelly-home | built and maintained by Google |
| 10:35.37 | asdff | no source available for that i guess |
| 10:35.50 | jelly-home | with extra bundled adobe flash |
| 10:35.55 | songmachine | so, what i must to do? |
| 10:36.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home: oh, yay :| |
| 10:36.19 | asdff | you can also use console package management like aptitude |
| 10:36.32 | asdff | tbh in general much more robust than gui frontends |
| 10:36.49 | jelly-home | songmachine: open a terminal. What happens when you run google-chrome command in it? |
| 10:37.12 | songmachine | i see erorr: comman not found |
| 10:37.27 | jelly-home | songmachine: you did not install it properly, then |
| 10:37.58 | jelly-home | songmachine: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/google-chrome" say? |
| 10:38.05 | songmachine | in synaptic i see installed browser pakages and i have icon in the menu |
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| 10:39.16 | songmachine | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 ÐÐºÑ 22 12:38 /usr/bin/google-chrome -> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome |
| 10:40.03 | jelly-home | songmachine: and does the linked file exist? |
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| 10:40.34 | songmachine | what you mean? |
| 10:42.06 | ew0x | songmachine: "ls -l /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome" |
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| 10:44.27 | songmachine | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1665 Сен 29 20:30 /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome |
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| 10:45.14 | ew0x | songmachine: in a shell: "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome", what happens ? |
| 10:45.34 | songmachine | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1665 Сен 29 20:30 /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome |
| 10:45.59 | ew0x | songmachine: not "ls [...]", just "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome", full path to the binary |
| 10:47.33 | songmachine | i write this in the terminal and browser was run |
| 10:47.39 | ew0x | Ok |
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| 10:48.59 | songmachine | but how to run from menu, not from terminal? and why broser installed in /opt not in the /usr... its normaly? |
| 10:49.12 | jelly-home | songmachine: your PATH variable may be screwed and missing /usr/bin in it |
| 10:49.42 | ew0x | songmachine: you have to update your menu entry to point to either "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome" or "/usr/bin/google-chrome" which is the symlink |
| 10:50.19 | jelly-home | ew0x: it ought to just work. Google's package isn't THAT broken. |
| 10:51.05 | ew0x | jelly-home: Surprisingly enough when given full path in a shell, it works. Menu entries should be using full path, too. |
| 10:51.23 | jelly-home | I mean, that's not the root cause |
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| 10:52.05 | jelly-home | it works just fine here... ii google-chrome-stable 14.0.835.202-r103287 The web browser from Google |
| 10:53.34 | ew0x | songmachine: What happens when running "/usr/bin/google-chrome" ? |
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| 10:55.32 | songmachine | browser was run |
| 10:55.53 | ew0x | jelly-home: see, the menu entry is just not pointing to the right path |
| 10:56.28 | ew0x | songmachine: can you tell us what your menu entry is pointing to ? |
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| 10:57.06 | songmachine | how to see that? |
| 10:57.14 | jelly-home | ew0x: it does here! |
| 10:57.32 | ew0x | jelly-home: Never said it does not on your setup |
| 10:58.15 | ew0x | songmachine: right click on the entry, add to launcher or desktop (haven't been using gnome for like 4 years) |
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| 11:00.07 | songmachine | google-chrome-stable its command write there |
| 11:00.32 | ew0x | et voila |
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| 11:01.40 | ew0x | songmachine: as root: "ln -s /usr/bin/google-chrome /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable" |
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| 11:02.55 | songmachine | thanks for help |
| 11:03.00 | ew0x | songmachine: works ? |
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| 11:04.34 | songmachine | yes |
| 11:05.03 | songmachine | i change google-chrome-stable to google-chrome |
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| 11:05.28 | ew0x | songmachine: on the menu entry ? Or on the shortcut you added to desktop or launcher ? |
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| 11:07.28 | songmachine | oh.... can you tell me, why when i installed some pakages not from repository, place increases in the / directory? .... on the menu entry, i have no icons on the desktop |
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| 11:08.40 | ew0x | songmachine: Ok good for the menu thing |
| 11:08.55 | ew0x | songmachine: on the 'place increase' I'm not sure to get it... |
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| 11:11.28 | songmachine | i have 60% free space in the /, now i have only 23% free, why? old cores i was deleted, like 2.6-686 and 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 11:12.03 | valdyn | songmachine: are we supposed to understand what youre saying? |
| 11:12.49 | songmachine | maybe... |
| 11:13.57 | thewanderer1 | songmachine: you install new packages -> free space turns into used space... |
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| 11:14.43 | ew0x | songmachine: It depends a lot, hard to tell, especially on partionning |
| 11:14.43 | songmachine | yes.... but why in the / directory? |
| 11:15.19 | pythonsnake | lol thewanderer1 |
| 11:15.30 | pythonsnake | songmachine, because it's installed in / |
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| 11:15.41 | pythonsnake | /usr |
| 11:15.48 | valdyn | songmachine: youre not telling us that /usr is a seperate file system |
| 11:15.48 | gentz | ffmpeg is consistently inconsistent across different formats & i always have problems with it. is there any robust alternative? |
| 11:16.08 | valdyn | songmachine: were supposed to guess almost everything, be specific, tell us what we need to know |
| 11:16.25 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/138777/ |
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| 11:16.37 | valdyn | gentz: theres nothing else |
| 11:16.49 | ew0x | songmachine: /opt goes on /, that's why, then |
| 11:17.22 | ew0x | songmachine: FHS-compliant packages will fill up /usr and /var rather than / |
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| 11:18.43 | songmachine | what i must to do, to place it did not increase? |
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| 11:19.07 | valdyn | songmachine: you must consult with your package source. We're not responsible for non-debian stuff |
| 11:19.20 | ew0x | songmachine: Avoid installing dirty packages that install things in /opt. Don't do redhat on debian. |
| 11:19.33 | valdyn | songmachine: and when you build a machine next time ask someone competent about the partition layout to use |
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| 11:21.30 | songmachine | i have no anyone, who know somthing about that... about debian, and everything about linux |
| 11:21.52 | valdyn | songmachine: i can already see /tmp being annoyingly small, /var and /usr being to small to work out even a few months |
| 11:22.18 | valdyn | songmachine: on the bright side /home might do ok for a couple years |
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| 11:23.22 | ew0x | songmachine: you should read about the FHS, what goes where, then you'll be able to do it yourself |
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| 11:32.21 | Gav | hi there |
| 11:32.32 | Gav | I wonder if any can help with pam_mysql ? |
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| 11:33.08 | Gav | I'm trying to authenticate users on a mysql database using pam modules |
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| 11:34.15 | thewanderer1 | Gav: better use Kerberos for authentication if you still can |
| 11:35.22 | Gav | thewanderer1: this is just for use with vsftpd and no external auth is happening, all traffic is sent locally or over a vpn |
| 11:35.48 | thewanderer1 | well, go on |
| 11:36.13 | Gav | I'm using this tutorial http://www.idimmu.net/2010/08/27/Keeping-Linux-Users-In-A-MySQL-Database-With-libpam-mysql-On-Ubuntu |
| 11:36.48 | Gav | if you go down the section about 'configuring pam' and look at how the 'common-account' file should be |
| 11:37.08 | Gav | the first line reads 'account sufficient pam_unix.so' |
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| 11:37.23 | Gav | if I have that line in my config, I cannot get users to login |
| 11:37.52 | Gav | only way around it I have found it to use 'account required pam_permit.so' instead |
| 11:38.21 | Gav | which I'm concerned is a security risk |
| 11:39.06 | thewanderer1 | which users can not login if you have that line? MySQL users, UNIX users or all of them? |
| 11:39.07 | Gav | in my /var/log/auth.log I get pam_unix(vsftpd:account): account 'username' has expired (account expired) |
| 11:39.14 | Gav | mysql |
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| 11:39.46 | thewanderer1 | is that literal 'username' or does the log actually contain a valid username? |
| 11:39.54 | Gav | a valid username |
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| 11:40.37 | thewanderer1 | Gav, try this line instead: account[success=1 new_authtok_reqd=done default=ignore]pam_unix.so |
| 11:40.48 | Gav | ok, one moment |
| 11:42.07 | Gav | same issue |
| 11:42.10 | Gav | Oct 22 12:41:52 web3 vsftpd: pam_unix(vsftpd:account): account gav has expired (account expired) |
| 11:42.10 | Gav | Oct 22 12:41:52 web3 vsftpd: pam_mysql - MySQL error (Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)) |
| 11:42.26 | thewanderer1 | maybe that's your real problem... |
| 11:42.47 | Gav | my mysql server is a remote server which I specified in /etc/nss-mysql.conf /etc/nss-mysql-root.conf |
| 11:42.52 | stefuNz | i'm using fstab to mount my ntfs partition into linux. what do i have to change to give all users read/write rights on this? this is my line: /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=777,gid=46 0 0 |
| 11:43.06 | thewanderer1 | Gav: and did *not* specify in /etc/pam-mysql* or so |
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| 11:43.37 | Gav | *thinks* |
| 11:43.39 | Gav | let em check |
| 11:43.48 | thewanderer1 | Gav: notice how it's pam-mysql and not nss-mysql throwing the errors :P |
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| 11:44.11 | Anarchy | what is your preferred firewall? |
| 11:44.30 | valdyn | stefuNz: umask=000 |
| 11:44.52 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: that only changes the umask, right? shouldn't affect existing files... |
| 11:45.10 | valdyn | thewanderer1: no |
| 11:45.12 | thewanderer1 | NTFS is a file system with actual (although not POSIX) permissions support |
| 11:45.18 | stefuNz | valdyn: thank you very much :) |
| 11:45.38 | valdyn | thewanderer1: sure it does not change existing files, but it gives the permissions nonetheless |
| 11:45.44 | Gav | thewanderer1, I didn;t even know about that file |
| 11:45.56 | stefuNz | valdyn: works like a charm. great :) |
| 11:46.24 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: wow, nice hack against NTFS :) |
| 11:46.48 | Gav | but I do not want my mysql accounts to authenticate against pam |
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| 11:47.00 | Gav | unless I have misunderstood |
| 11:47.21 | thewanderer1 | Gav: how are you doing authentication then? |
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| 11:47.43 | thewanderer1 | this is for programs authenticating via PAM against MySQL entries |
| 11:47.51 | valdyn | he just wants to store his users in a mysql db instead of storing them in /etc/passwd etc |
| 11:48.06 | thewanderer1 | yes, that's what I understood so far |
| 11:48.25 | Gav | yes, that's right |
| 11:48.56 | thewanderer1 | so if you want programs to check in MySQL for user/password, pam-mysql is for you |
| 11:49.18 | Gav | okay |
| 11:49.38 | Gav | the tutorial I was using did not mention this file at all that's all |
| 11:49.47 | thewanderer1 | the tutorial is not a very good one |
| 11:50.16 | thewanderer1 | the packages should ship documentation, and if they don't, surely the project pages on the Web have some |
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| 11:53.47 | pythonsnake | does debian never break ? |
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| 11:54.14 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake: try Sid, you've been missing out :P |
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| 11:55.07 | thewanderer1 | I'm off for now, hopefully you'll figure things out |
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| 11:56.08 | Gav | okay |
| 11:56.20 | Gav | turned up the verbosity and get |
| 11:56.21 | Gav | SELECT status, FROM user WHERE user.user_name = 'gav' |
| 11:56.21 | Gav | Oct 22 12:54:56 web3 vsftpd: pam_mysql - MySQL error (You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM user WHERE user.user_name = 'gav'' at line 1) |
| 11:56.43 | Gav | so there's a comma after status, not sure how that's getting in there |
| 11:56.51 | kaie | hello. debian squeeze (6). I notice there is no cyrus-imapd package, only a versioned package cyrus-imapd-2.2 - v 2.2 is quite old - is there a newer version package that I've missed? |
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| 11:57.50 | An_Ony_Moose | kaie: that's stable for you :) |
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| 11:58.17 | An_Ony_Moose | :O dpkg was gone? |
| 11:58.47 | valdyn | judd: versions cyrus-common |
| 11:58.49 | judd | Package: cyrus-common on i386 -- wheezy: 2.4.9-1; sid: 2.4.12-2 |
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| 12:07.24 | mparodi | Hello guys, good morning! |
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| 12:08.40 | mparodi | Today I was forced to execute a fsck while booting. I have seen that there're 1.9%, 0.3% and 0.2% of non-contiguous blocks (it's a 500GB hard disk). should I care? I don't know what this exactly means... |
| 12:09.11 | mparodi | (I mean, that are the values of the 3 partitions I have) |
| 12:09.45 | valdyn | mparodi: you should not care |
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| 12:11.44 | serafeim | When I safely remove my external hard drive I get a black screen and the CapsLock led flashing |
| 12:11.50 | mparodi | valdyn, does it mean that there're <many> files that are not stored contiguously? I wonder if it's because there was no way to do that correctly or because there're certain blocks that can't be used because they're broken in some way |
| 12:12.17 | valdyn | mparodi: its a measurement for file fragmentation |
| 12:12.28 | mparodi | oh, fine |
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| 12:13.05 | songmachine | how to clean it? http://paste.debian.net/138792/ |
| 12:13.40 | mparodi | ok, just to know... suppose it's 50%, how do you fix it? |
| 12:13.50 | valdyn | mparodi: you dont |
| 12:13.53 | euthymos | hi guys... two questions about debian install... 1) will debian installer ask me IN WHICH of my hard it will install grub? 2) does debian installer support WiFi WPA2 (during install I mean)? |
| 12:14.10 | euthymos | *hard disks |
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| 12:14.17 | valdyn | mparodi: you consider doing something about it when you have significant performance issues due to fragmentation |
| 12:14.30 | mparodi | I can remember a "desfragmentator" tool in W$ |
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| 12:14.43 | mparodi | defragmentation* |
| 12:14.53 | qrq | Are there any Chromium daily builds for Debian? |
| 12:15.00 | valdyn | mparodi: that measure of contigous blocks is not a useful measure to see the performance impact |
| 12:15.16 | euthymos | mparodi: defrag is useless in 99% cases |
| 12:15.39 | mparodi | I know, it works pretty well in fact, I won't do it. it was just to know the options |
| 12:15.53 | euthymos | :) |
| 12:16.02 | valdyn | !defrag |
| 12:16.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game, or tip: fragmentation is low until you start using the default reserved-blocks-percentage space |
| 12:16.36 | valdyn | mparodi: your disks should keep as much space as the largest file(s) on it |
| 12:17.01 | euthymos | nobody knows about the installer? |
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| 12:17.41 | valdyn | mparodi: theres a defrag tool, theres also the method of copying every file to a new filesystem, clearing the old fs and copying back |
| 12:18.11 | mparodi | ok, I got it! |
| 12:18.14 | mparodi | thank you guys |
| 12:19.35 | valdyn | mparodi: a have "extremely" fragmented filesystems where im using p2p downloads. It's *still* not having a significant real world impact |
| 12:20.20 | mparodi | what's a "extremely" fragmented filesystem? above 90%? |
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| 12:20.41 | valdyn | mparodi: i have no way to check |
| 12:20.54 | mparodi | fsck tells you that? |
| 12:21.09 | valdyn | mparodi: if I could unmount |
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| 12:21.52 | mparodi | I see |
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| 12:22.21 | mparodi | I can imagine what uptime says :P |
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| 12:26.36 | valdyn | mparodi: 12457 extents on that file |
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| 12:32.18 | valdyn | mparodi: hmm, this measure is nonsense for ext4 it seems |
| 12:32.27 | mparodi | why? |
| 12:33.01 | valdyn | mparodi: its not counting extents as non-contigous I think |
| 12:33.22 | mparodi | ahm, I don't have idea |
| 12:33.48 | valdyn | mparodi: i can fsck live, so that gave me 2.0%, that seems to low to be possible |
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| 12:36.30 | mparodi | talking about that... is there a way to know how many blocks are "broken"? |
| 12:36.55 | valdyn | mparodi: physically broken? |
| 12:36.58 | mparodi | yep |
| 12:37.09 | An_Ony_Moose | IIRC, DHCP allows giving the client a hostname. How do I configure this? |
| 12:37.09 | valdyn | mparodi: smartctl from the smartmontools package |
| 12:37.24 | valdyn | mparodi: however broken blocks are only noticed as such when being read |
| 12:37.43 | valdyn | mparodi: or written to, actually |
| 12:38.04 | valdyn | mparodi: but when written to bad blocks are automatically replaced with reserve blocks by the harddisk |
| 12:38.11 | mparodi | yes, but I guess the filesystem should have a list of broken blocks to avoid using them |
| 12:38.25 | mparodi | oh, ok, that's how it works |
| 12:38.47 | valdyn | mparodi: its possible to feed mkfs.ext4 a list of bad blocks |
| 12:38.59 | valdyn | mparodi: but you dont want to do that, you want to get a new harddisk |
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| 12:39.05 | mparodi | haha |
| 12:39.16 | mparodi | no, mine is fine, it only has a few days of use :P |
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| 12:40.09 | valdyn | mparodi: anyway its probably a good idea to write the whole disk once before using it |
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| 12:40.22 | mparodi | uh? why? I didn't know |
| 12:40.26 | valdyn | mparodi: so you get bad blocks replaced when its yet possible |
| 12:40.52 | valdyn | mparodi: i mean its possible later, but then you already lost what was on it |
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| 12:42.19 | nieuwbie | what actually the pc field gives to the toolchain? |
| 12:43.30 | abrotman | n-iCe: i'm alive now .. |
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| 12:50.10 | Starman83 | hi guys, i decided to fiddle around with btrfs and have installed testing on a VM. After successful installation, the system tell's me fsck.btrfs not found |
| 12:50.12 | Starman83 | what's wrong? |
| 12:50.48 | abrotman | judd: file fsck.btrfs --release wheezy |
| 12:50.53 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 12:50.58 | abrotman | judd: file fsck.btrfs --release sid |
| 12:51.01 | judd | No packages in sid/i386 were found with that file. |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | no fsck for you |
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| 12:51.34 | Starman83 | How is the system supposed to boot if that's missing? |
| 12:51.48 | Starman83 | I mean it stops during boot with that message |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | does it have to do anything ? |
| 12:51.59 | Starman83 | Then I am given an emergency shell |
| 12:52.04 | Starman83 | Don't know |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | can you just symlink it to /bin/true ? |
| 12:52.13 | Starman83 | I'll try wait |
| 12:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or symlink to btrfs-tools: /sbin/btrfsck |
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| 12:52.25 | abrotman | or thta |
| 12:52.26 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 12:52.34 | Starman83 | right |
| 12:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what?! |
| 12:54.10 | Starman83 | ok I've created the symlink |
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| 12:54.14 | Starman83 | Let's see if the machine boots |
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| 12:54.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd: file fsck.ext3 |
| 12:54.28 | judd | Search for fsck.ext3 in squeeze/i386: e2fsprogs: sbin/fsck.ext3; e2fsprogs-dbg: usr/lib/debug/sbin/fsck.ext3 |
| 12:54.41 | Starman83 | well, fsck died with exit status 1 but the system does boot. |
| 12:54.43 | Starman83 | Thanks guys |
| 12:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | fairysnuff |
| 12:54.52 | Starman83 | Shouldn't btrfs work out of the box though? |
| 12:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | (wondered if those fsck.XXX would be found at all by judd) |
| 12:56.31 | Starman83 | The /var/log/checkroot tells me "fsck.btrfs (my symlink): invalid option -- 'a' |
| 12:56.59 | lord_rob | Hi ! I can't often ping google.com (unknown host) but dig @dns google.com works. And /etc£/resolv.conf is configured correctly I think (nameserver "ip of the dns"). Any idea why ? Maybe because of multicast DNS ? |
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| 12:57.29 | An_Ony_Moose | lord_rob: is there a particular reason you're not using DHCP? |
| 12:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Starman83, check the bts |
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| 12:58.15 | Starman83 | bts? |
| 12:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Starman83, /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:58.32 | songmachine | how to configure thelogin screen,it was necessary toenter a user nameandpasswordrather thanjust a password? |
| 12:58.34 | lord_rob | An_Ony_Moose: it would be an additional step to add 192.168.1.1 as my dns |
| 12:59.25 | lord_rob | appart from that, no |
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| 13:01.03 | lord_rob | but my main pc must not use dhcp because the dhcp server (my modem) is not always on (crappy material) |
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| 13:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Starman83, and yes... it should work out of the box. Also check /usr/share/doc/btrfs/README.Debian or the like, perhaps you're not supposed to enable any fsck options in fstab for it |
| 13:01.35 | trash | Hi, what's the current way to assign multiple IPs to one interfaces via /etc/network/interfaces these days? |
| 13:01.58 | An_Ony_Moose | lord_rob: so you use your main computer as a router, and have it connected to the modem for internet access? |
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| 13:02.57 | lord_rob | An_Ony_Moose: no, my modem is a router and a gateway (192.168.1.1) the network is 192.168.1. (>1) |
| 13:03.05 | petemc | trash: up ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
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| 13:03.34 | lord_rob | typical home network |
| 13:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lord_rob, what do you use for DNS server? maybe you use several ones and one fails |
| 13:03.56 | trash | petemc: Uhm, spawning your own commands in via up seems dirty. Is that really the preferred way? |
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| 13:04.04 | gele | question about duplicity: is there any reason why it would decide to do a full backup when i tell it to do an incremental one? |
| 13:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "unknown host" is sounds pretty unambiguously of DNS... |
| 13:04.28 | gele | the hostname of the remote backup host has changed, but everything else is the same. all the old backup files are still there. |
| 13:04.36 | petemc | trash: i still use ip aliases on some boxes |
| 13:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, or possibly routing, but that would be "no route to host" |
| 13:04.50 | lord_rob | CutMeOwnThroat: "nameserver 194.7.1.4" is my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:05.06 | trash | Well, so do I but I don't want to do that, because I need to add 100 IPs and don't want to splatter the config. |
| 13:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lord_rob, well, try a different one? 8.8.8.8 is gooles dns |
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| 13:05.54 | songmachine | anybody can tell me how to configure that? |
| 13:06.13 | lord_rob | is "#" the comment symbol in resolv.conf ? |
| 13:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | songmachine, we didn't understand what you wanted to ask |
| 13:06.24 | gele | lord_rob: yes |
| 13:06.33 | An_Ony_Moose | lord_rob: I still don't see why you don't want to use DHCP |
| 13:06.35 | songmachine | how to configure thelogin screen,it was necessary toenter a user nameandpasswordrather thanjust a password? |
| 13:06.42 | lord_rob | ok thank you gele and CutMeOwnThroat |
| 13:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | songmachine, yes, exactly that we didn't understand |
| 13:07.27 | gele | songmachine: which login screen? gdm asks for username and password by default. |
| 13:07.40 | An_Ony_Moose | songmachine: for gdm, I'm not sure. You could install xdm and use that instead, if you don't mind a bit of ugliness |
| 13:07.40 | lord_rob | An_Ony_Moose: because it needs my dhcp server not to be crashed (and it's a not so reliable linksys modem/router) |
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| 13:08.04 | An_Ony_Moose | lord_rob: but if the server is crashed you don't have network anyway, do you? |
| 13:09.10 | lord_rob | well if the dhcp server is crashed, my machine wait very loooooooong time to go go to the next step |
| 13:09.20 | songmachine | in gdm, yes.... but when i update to squeeze i see only password |
| 13:09.27 | lord_rob | using fixed ip it doesn't have to wait |
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| 13:09.50 | An_Ony_Moose | songmachine: do you have to continue using gdm? |
| 13:09.51 | gele | songmachine: where? |
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| 13:10.55 | songmachine | i login sreen, user is choised and need to write password |
| 13:11.09 | lord_rob | and there's not only my machine and the modem, there are also other machines on the network An_Ony_Moose |
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| 13:11.44 | songmachine | do you have to continue using gdm?............. now? yes. |
| 13:11.53 | lord_rob | I use only DHCP for laptops |
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| 13:12.52 | gribouille | hi |
| 13:12.56 | gribouille | how can I tell vim to set encoding to the value specified in the XML dclaration of the file? |
| 13:14.05 | An_Ony_Moose | lord_rob: but if they connect to the modem too, the network is broken when the modem is down, no? |
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| 13:14.48 | songmachine | i need to change theme for this or what? |
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| 13:15.51 | gele | songmachine: oh, you mean that you don't want to show the list of available users in gdm? |
| 13:17.14 | Starman83 | Does anybody recommend using btrfs in a real productive environemt, despite it being marked as unstable? |
| 13:17.24 | Starman83 | The checksum feature is really neat |
| 13:17.33 | abrotman | it is |
| 13:17.48 | abrotman | Starman83: what happens to your job if there's a problem ? |
| 13:18.08 | Starman83 | I don't know. I am still a student :-) |
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| 13:19.02 | Starman83 | It's hard to weigh the security gain from checksums and snapshots against the general instability that might be the case with unstable stuff |
| 13:19.25 | robin_sz | there are other ways of acheiving that sort fo security |
| 13:19.43 | Starman83 | robin_sz: you are talking raid? |
| 13:20.10 | Starman83 | I think about using btrfs on my home server... raid is not an option, financially speaking ;) |
| 13:20.46 | Starman83 | I sure would like to have better data security especially in terms of random data corruption that can occur on hard disks from time to time |
| 13:20.57 | Starman83 | I think checksums would jump in there |
| 13:21.25 | wildc4rd | Good afternoon all! |
| 13:22.26 | robin_sz | random data corruption that occurs from time to time? |
| 13:23.48 | robin_sz | btrfs would be a good choice, if you are preapred to accept ti might all explode at any moment |
| 13:23.54 | Starman83 | Yep, hard disks have an error rate, just like RAM (without ECC) |
| 13:24.01 | gele | the main reason i'd like to try btrfs is to use fast snapshots for doing backups from. |
| 13:24.13 | Starman83 | Most manufacturers print the error rate in their data sheets |
| 13:24.14 | robin_sz | so dont come whining that you final papers just went bye-bye |
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| 13:24.17 | atmosx | hello |
| 13:24.34 | Starman83 | Every few terrabytes, one bit would be wrong or so |
| 13:24.36 | atmosx | is there any small debian image that I can download in order to install debian on an SD card? |
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| 13:24.43 | robin_sz | Starman83, the error rate of any disk will be tiny, compared to the error rate of packages in unstable going "bang" |
| 13:24.43 | atmosx | hmmm wait |
| 13:24.49 | atmosx | I have already a debian system on a virtual machine |
| 13:25.03 | atmosx | isn't easier to install debian through debian on a sd machine which will run on an embedded device? |
| 13:25.22 | gele | wonders why duplicity is pretending to do an incremental backup when it's actually storing every single file, modified or not. |
| 13:25.28 | lord_rob | An_Ony_Moose: yes those laptops don't work anymore, so I reset the router, and my pc keeps its IP |
| 13:25.52 | robin_sz | Starman83, you will make the error rate worse, not better. if error rates are your concern, stick with ext4 |
| 13:26.45 | Starman83 | robin_sz: THe difference is, with btrfs you will get to see the errors, with other fs they happen and you don't know about it |
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| 13:27.40 | robin_sz | no |
| 13:27.52 | Starman83 | Does ext4 have some kind of checksum functionality? |
| 13:28.01 | lord_rob | An_Ony_Moose: the modem is the gateway, it is not needed to use the modem to communicate with the rest of thework, but it is to communicate with the internet |
| 13:28.23 | lord_rob | so I don't see the point to use dhcp vs fixed |
| 13:28.39 | robin_sz | because you are still ignoring the inherent instability of the new fs ... if it finds an error, it is way more likely to be a software bug in the error identification that it is to be a real error |
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| 13:28.55 | Chelsea | Did I make a mistake in updating or is Debian stable still on kernel 2.6.32 ??? |
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| 13:29.30 | robin_sz | Starman83, if the funky features like snapshots excite you .. go ahed and use it, but keep copies of anything important |
| 13:29.50 | robin_sz | Starman83, if you are trying to improve your error rates, be prepared for disappointment |
| 13:30.04 | robin_sz | Starman83, get your stats professor to explain it |
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| 13:31.01 | somiaj | Chelsea: debian stable will never upgrade its kernel major version. Though any security whole is fixed and the debian kernel has patched all the known vulnabilities since then. |
| 13:31.52 | somiaj | Chelsea: debian stable is frozen, there should never be a reason to upgrade the version of a package in debian (though there is a side clause for a case where its the only possibility to fix a security hole) |
| 13:33.09 | Starman83 | robin_sz: I don't really care about error rate, I want only to minize errors I don't see. |
| 13:33.51 | Starman83 | Another approach would be to store md5 checksums along with everything, but if btrfs has an integrated checksum feature, it's probably best to make use of it don't you think? |
| 13:33.55 | Chelsea | somiaj, thanks for the plain explanation. |
| 13:34.45 | somiaj | atmosx: you can use debootstrap to install a minimial system on a directory (your sd card), then chroot into it and set up the kernel and configure it to boot. |
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| 13:35.05 | Starman83 | Or maybe I should just use btrfs for my important data and leave the rest to ext4, that would be a compromise |
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| 13:36.50 | gele | atmosx: or install debian to a disk image with the ordinary installer using qemu, then copy the image to the card. |
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| 13:46.03 | gele | removing the duplicity cache seemed to fix the problem. now it's actually doing an incremental backup, like i wanted. |
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| 13:47.28 | robin_sz | Starman83, so, basically, youd like to see more errors? |
| 13:48.19 | robin_sz | yes, thats a great idea, put the stuff you care about on the file system thats liable to explode at any moment, and the stuff you don't care about on the tried and tested filesystem |
| 13:48.53 | jaakkos | what robin_sz said. |
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| 13:50.58 | Mogget | All conversations should end that way, by one party just leaving :P |
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| 13:52.26 | FreeFull | What package is C/C++ lint in? apt-cache search lint listed all the different lints except for actually that one |
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| 13:53.15 | FreeFull | I don't know if there is a C++ lint |
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| 13:53.20 | FreeFull | But at least the C |
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| 13:54.13 | huglester | hello guys. where do I find in kernel PPP support? I'm walking threw menuconfig but can't find it... maybe there is some search function inside menuconfig? |
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| 13:54.41 | gele | FreeFull: splint? |
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| 13:55.34 | FreeFull | gele: Thanks |
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| 13:57.59 | jaakkos | huglester: search is \ |
| 13:58.48 | huglester | jaakkos: thanks, that works! on my keyboard it's / . than kyou so much! :) |
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| 14:25.08 | songmachine | gele, yes, that i mean |
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| 14:28.09 | gele | songmachine: i know that you can tell it to not show certain users in the list. |
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| 14:28.17 | gele | i'm not sure if you can turn it off completely. |
| 14:29.30 | gele | i'm using gdm3, i don't know if it differs from the normal gdm package. |
| 14:29.54 | songmachine | ÎÏ ÒÁÎØÛÅ ÜÔÏÇÏ ÎÅ ÂÙÌÏ |
| 14:30.05 | songmachine | butbefore thatthere was no |
| 14:30.13 | gele | uhm... |
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| 14:33.40 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 14:33.40 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 14:35.52 | songmachine | when installing the systemis better to choose"all ononedisc" instead of "/home/ /usr/ /var/ /tmp separately" or what? |
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| 14:38.50 | gele | songmachine: there is rarely any good reasons for not having everything on the same partition. |
| 14:40.52 | songmachine | I do not understand, good to haveeverythingin one partitionor bad? |
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| 14:42.25 | themill | songmachine: does not the fact that the installer gives you this option indicate that maybe both are useful options? |
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| 14:44.53 | gele | songmachine: if you can't think of a reason for having things in different partitions, go with the everything-in-one-partition option. |
| 14:45.12 | gele | it's almost always the best option. |
| 14:45.50 | songmachine | i mean.... now i have separately everything and / is full, i dont know why.... http://paste.debian.net/138839/ http://paste.debian.net/138840/ |
| 14:46.27 | gele | 334 megabytes for the root filesystem? |
| 14:46.39 | songmachine | separately /home /usr/ /var and /tmp |
| 14:46.47 | songmachine | yes |
| 14:47.24 | ew0x | songmachine: I already answered that |
| 14:47.31 | ew0x | songmachine: You have a 300MB / |
| 14:47.37 | songmachine | yes |
| 14:47.45 | ew0x | songmachine: with stuffs installed on /opt, which is on / partition, that's your answer |
| 14:48.46 | songmachine | i no understand.... |
| 14:48.54 | gele | and the modules for a standard debian kernel uses 70 - 80 mb. |
| 14:49.23 | ew0x | songmachine: I can't understand it for you |
| 14:49.34 | songmachine | so i need to change space on /? |
| 14:50.17 | ew0x | songmachine: There's plenty of documentaion on the FHS |
| 14:50.25 | ew0x | songmachine: you don't need to read *all* of it |
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| 14:51.37 | ew0x | songmachine: but at least read the basis, *please*, we can't do that for you |
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| 15:07.02 | BlackBishop | http://pastebin.com/dn2FaZid .. so .. acpi=off noacpi doesn't help :| |
| 15:08.01 | BlackBishop | so .. can anyone explain why the load is still .27 ? :| |
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| 15:16.45 | em | Benkinooby. Hi o/ |
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| 15:17.23 | Benkinooby | em hi? |
| 15:17.37 | Benkinooby | should i know you? |
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| 15:18.24 | em | Benkinooby: I think we have chatted, could be wrong :) |
| 15:18.58 | Benkinooby | don'T know... appreciate your enthusiasm |
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| 15:20.52 | pythonsnake | hI Benkinooby |
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| 15:21.41 | Benkinooby | pythonsnake, hi |
| 15:21.59 | pythonsnake | SUP |
| 15:22.02 | pythonsnake | caps sorry |
| 15:22.35 | Benkinooby | i'm good thank you... how're you |
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| 15:23.53 | pythonsnake | fine too |
| 15:23.58 | pythonsnake | looking for some gamrd |
| 15:24.06 | pythonsnake | games* |
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| 15:24.13 | pythonsnake | bored of linux |
| 15:25.03 | themill | pythonsnake: frozen-bubble! |
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| 15:29.06 | Benkinooby | i played battle for wesnoth for some time |
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| 15:30.56 | pozic | In synaptic, when I say 'repair', it wants to delete basically every package in the system. |
| 15:31.41 | pozic | I don't mind about that part, but it also wants to delete aptitude for example. |
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| 15:32.05 | [Cipher] | howdy! |
| 15:32.10 | Jasonn | hi |
| 15:32.13 | pozic | insserv: Starting cups depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
| 15:32.21 | [Cipher] | how it's going Jasonn |
| 15:32.23 | pozic | I get tons of messages like that. |
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| 15:32.34 | Jasonn | [Cipher]: meh, what about you? |
| 15:32.39 | themill | pozic: it would be useful to see the output from aptitude rather than synaptic and to see it in a pastebin. |
| 15:33.00 | [Cipher] | Jasonn, enjoying the freedom ^^ |
| 15:33.08 | themill | pozic: I have no idea what "repair" is planning to do; it's not a term that any other apt frontend uses |
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| 15:34.10 | [Cipher] | i can't play .flv or even mp4 after when i installed kde beside gnome |
| 15:34.31 | [Cipher] | is the any expected conflict between the pkgs? |
| 15:35.08 | pozic | themill: http://paste.debian.net/138848/ |
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| 15:36.32 | themill | pozic: have you customised /etc/init.d/cups at some stage? |
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| 15:37.05 | [Cipher] | Jasonn, any idea? |
| 15:37.07 | pozic | themill: AFAIK, no. |
| 15:37.22 | pozic | themill: I have no emotional ties to the file in any case. |
| 15:37.37 | Jasonn | [Cipher]: hmm, well I dont use debian desktop, and dont intend to in the future, so no, sorry :3 |
| 15:37.44 | themill | pozic: try grabbing the maintainer's version then |
| 15:38.15 | pozic | themill: what do you mean? |
| 15:38.18 | [Cipher] | ah, i see, thanks Jasonn |
| 15:38.32 | Jasonn | :) |
| 15:38.49 | themill | pozic: get rid of the /etc/init.d/cups that you have and restore the version in the .deb |
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| 15:39.57 | systemclient | in what package is the root statistics package? I do not have much luck searching for "root" in the web :-/ |
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| 15:41.37 | pozic | themill: thank you. Everything(?) is normal again :) |
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| 15:41.49 | themill | pozic: excellent. |
| 15:42.36 | pozic | themill: or not... it appears that cups is not actually functioning. |
| 15:42.45 | themill | systemclient: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/ROOT. I can't tell you what the status of root in ubuntu is, though. |
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| 15:43.30 | pozic | themill: /etc/init.d/cups doesn't exist after apt-get install cups. |
| 15:43.54 | themill | dpkg: tell pozic about confmiss |
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| 15:44.05 | systemclient | themill: thanks, if seems that there is no package any more |
| 15:44.24 | jelly-home | ,versions cups |
| 15:44.25 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; squeeze: 1.4.4-7; wheezy: 1.5.0-8; sid: 1.5.0-10 |
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| 15:45.19 | pozic | themill: I don't want it to overwrite my configuration files. |
| 15:45.29 | pozic | themill: e.g. the ppd files. |
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| 15:46.28 | themill | pozic: sure. Read the man pages |
| 15:48.47 | pozic | themill: ok, now everything is OK again. Thanks, again. |
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| 16:05.13 | evilsquelch | i think i made ahuge mistake |
| 16:05.42 | evilsquelch | have B560 Lenovo tried to use either video device and then suddenly i can't see the nvidia device any more |
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| 16:29.48 | matsuura | Hello.. I would like to install debian over ubuntu. Am I able to do that without having to back up 1.2TB of data? |
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| 16:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: Is the data on the system partition? |
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| 16:35.36 | matsuura | jhutchins_lt: yeah, / => sda3, swap => sda2, /boot => sda1 |
| 16:35.43 | himmlstrutz | hi! one of my harddrivers has crashed,,, on it resides grub -- so now the booting works only by pure luck. my question is how I change where grub start from - and instead of the old harddrive starts from an external hd? is it possible? how? |
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| 16:36.54 | himmlstrutz | is there any command like: "grub --make--new-boot-sector /dev/sdb (the external hd)"? |
| 16:37.11 | babilen | grub-install ? |
| 16:37.41 | himmlstrutz | babilen, yes? ok. I have never done this before, so its pure science. |
| 16:38.11 | babilen | endorses research |
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| 16:42.16 | himmlstrutz | babilen, awesome, hope this works. |
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| 16:47.23 | isOTRmessagingAR | good morning community. |
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| 17:03.04 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: It's probably not a good idea. |
| 17:03.42 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: The installer doesn't know you've got existing binary stuff there. |
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| 17:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: I really would do a backup and reformat, and consider making a seperate partition for the data. |
| 17:04.34 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: Usually I don't recommend that, but this is not a usual desktop system. |
| 17:04.55 | matsuura | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean by 'usual desktop system'? |
| 17:05.32 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: I can do an office workstation or a Point-of-Sale terminal on a 40G hard drive and never run out of space. |
| 17:05.44 | matsuura | ah |
| 17:05.58 | ws2k3 | anyone any idea why my keyboard dont work when i let debian connect to a x server on my computer? |
| 17:06.34 | jhutchins_lt | matsuura: The thought of having 1.2TB of data without a backup is very uncomfortable - even if it's all just pr0n. |
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| 17:07.36 | abrotman | really? |
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| 17:08.10 | somiaj | ws2k3: have you checked the xorg logs? |
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| 17:09.15 | atmosx | when using debootstrap, I do need to configure /etc/fstab manually right? |
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| 17:13.23 | flux242 | should microphone noise cancellation work by default? |
| 17:13.26 | somiaj | atmosx: yes |
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| 17:14.15 | flux242 | no matter how I adjust the mic with the alsamixer there is always noise |
| 17:15.21 | flux242 | and no noise under xp |
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| 17:18.28 | Aram | hi, any ideas why vmware-config-tools.pl doesn't find gcc or the kernel headers (both are installed)? it doesn't find them even if I specify the full paths when it asks me. |
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| 17:18.36 | Aram | latest vmware tools from vmware workstation. |
| 17:18.41 | Aram | and latest debian i386. |
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| 17:21.15 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 17:21.30 | Aram | "The path "/usr/bin/gcc-4.3" is not valid path to the gcc binary." |
| 17:21.35 | Aram | actually, it is. |
| 17:21.48 | An_Ony_Moose | TrueDD: is a "Hi" script really necessary? |
| 17:23.15 | TrueDD | An_Ony_Moose, is it really that bothering? |
| 17:23.22 | An_Ony_Moose | TrueDD: somewhat :) |
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| 17:24.22 | matsuura | jhutchins_lt: I don't like spending time on backing up that much data since ubuntu keeps breaking everything. I need to just make a system worth having up to date so I'm going to backup and set up debian |
| 17:24.28 | matsuura | ubuntu has pissed me off for the last time |
| 17:24.30 | atmosx | somiaj: that's dangerous⦠there should be a sample file of sorts⦠anyway |
| 17:24.47 | matsuura | the unity crap does not make any sense to me |
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| 17:25.00 | somiaj | atmosx: why is it dangerous? fstab is a fairly simple config file. |
| 17:25.00 | TrueDD | An_Ony_Moose, I always have about 20 chans open on some servers, I just wanted to be polite without spending too much time to say hello |
| 17:25.01 | kthakore | hello |
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| 17:25.17 | kthakore | I am using the live Squeeze DVD and my sound/microphone doesn't work |
| 17:25.29 | somiaj | atmosx: man fstab |
| 17:25.33 | kthakore | How do I find out what is not working? |
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| 17:26.16 | somiaj | TrueDD: lots of these channels aren't social channels and are here to provide support. It is just noise and unessacary |
| 17:26.33 | xand | is it possible to choose grub2 instead of grub when installing squeeze? my PC has EFI instead of a BIOS and grub does not load after installing |
| 17:26.38 | xand | (it is a mac mini) |
| 17:26.56 | somiaj | !tell kthakore about alsa-checklist |
| 17:27.07 | valdyn | xand: why dont you just do it? |
| 17:27.22 | TrueDD | somiaj, well noted |
| 17:27.23 | xand | valdyn: I mean, does the installer have the option for grub2 instead of grub? |
| 17:27.36 | kthakore | somiaj: it didn't tell me anything :( |
| 17:27.39 | atmosx | somiaj: already configured the file, but since I don't have a jtag cable I'm a bit toasted⦠I'm taking really wild guesses |
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| 17:27.48 | xand | or would I need to install it manually/seperately after booting from something else |
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| 17:28.08 | valdyn | xand: its probably grub2 already, im not sure, but i meant do as install it |
| 17:28.13 | somiaj | kthakore: it gives you a list of things to check to see why alsa isn't working. check /proc/asound/cards to make sure the modules are loaded, check alsamixer, etc |
| 17:28.36 | xand | valdyn: I can only install it if it's there |
| 17:28.44 | valdyn | xand: you can set it up before rebooting I think |
| 17:28.48 | kthakore | oh I see |
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| 17:29.38 | xand | valdyn: I see |
| 17:30.10 | kthakore | bash: modprobe: command not found ?? |
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| 17:30.53 | valdyn | kthakore: /sbin/modprobe |
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| 17:32.56 | kthakore | ok |
| 17:33.18 | kthakore | ok now I am in a weird place ... I cna hear sound and my own microphone when I play with front-mic |
| 17:33.29 | kthakore | but when I try to record sound using sound-recorder |
| 17:33.34 | kthakore | it is not recording anything |
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| 17:36.58 | vahid | hi all |
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| 17:37.06 | vahid | my problem in installing nvidia driver : http://pastebin.com/j5e9N6Wu |
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| 17:37.17 | vahid | help me :) |
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| 17:43.01 | somiaj | vahid: is this the offical nvidia installer? |
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| 17:43.24 | vahid | somiaj: yes |
| 17:43.57 | somiaj | vahid: there isn't support for it here, use the nvidia method. Also the newest nvidia kernel modules might not be compadable with the 2.6.32 kernel in debian stable |
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| 17:44.33 | somiaj | vahid: I mean use the debian method. Install the nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx pacakges from non-free |
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| 17:45.50 | vahid | somiaj: in my firend laptop with debian bxo it working :( |
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| 17:47.01 | vahid | somiaj: install newest kernel? |
| 17:47.34 | somiaj | vahid: why doesn't the packages in debian stable not work for you? If your card is soo new you need newer modules, grab them from backports |
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| 17:48.01 | somiaj | vahid: if you want to (which I suggest you don't) install the drivers from the offical nvidia installer, that is not supported here and you are left on your own to debug |
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| 17:57.47 | stack | hello, I'm trying to use picard on squeeze but i noticed that it brings python-qt4 version 4.7.3 where squeeze ships libqtcore4 version 4.6.3 and it crashes very frequently.. trying to pin from wheezy changes lot of things on the system, how should I resolve that issue? |
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| 17:58.39 | arghx | stack: by compiling picard yourself against 4.6 if at all possible |
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| 17:58.52 | arghx | stack: you should create a backport of picard in other words |
| 17:59.14 | stack | arghx: mh , sould legit. I'll try that |
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| 17:59.58 | arghx | vahid: what nvidia card do you have |
| 18:00.07 | kthakore | can someone exaplain why my wifi is sooo much better all of a sudden? What gods did you guys sacrifice too? |
| 18:00.24 | kthakore | debian6.0.3++ |
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| 18:00.44 | arghx | kthakore: what did you change since it got better? e.g. kernel drivers improve all the time |
| 18:00.50 | stack | arghx: does I have to compile python-qt4 or also picard? |
| 18:00.52 | Gremuchnik | Hi - does anybody here have a netbook with Debian stable installed on it? Something of the size of an Asus eee maybe? Any recommendations? Thanks! |
| 18:01.02 | kthakore | arghx: nothing ... just using the liveDVD |
| 18:01.08 | kthakore | less drops on the atheros wifi |
| 18:01.10 | arghx | ,versions picard |
| 18:01.12 | judd | Package: picard on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.0-4; squeeze: 0.11-2.1+b1; sid: 0.11-2.1+b2 |
| 18:01.16 | stack | maybe compiling only python-qt4 against the correct version of libqtcore4 should fix.. |
| 18:01.38 | kthakore | arghx: How can I see the diff between what ubuntu 11.04 was and Squeeze? |
| 18:01.46 | arghx | ,versiony python-qt4 |
| 18:01.51 | arghx | ,versions python-qt4 |
| 18:01.52 | judd | Package: python-qt4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-4; squeeze: 4.7.3-1+b1; sid: 4.8.3-4+b1; wheezy: 4.8.3-4+b1 |
| 18:02.13 | arghx | ,depends picard sid |
| 18:02.15 | judd | Package picard in sid/i386 -- depends: libavcodec52 (>= 4:0.6-1~) | libavcodec-extra-52 (>= 4:0.6-1~), libavformat52 (>= 4:0.6-1~) | libavformat-extra-52 (>= 4:0.6-1~), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libfftw3-3, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libofa0 (>= 0.9.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.6), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-qt4 (>= 4.1), python-mutagen (>= 1.9), libdiscid0. |
| 18:02.50 | arghx | kthakore: you see that python-qt4 is fine for the sid picard version. so it looks like you only need to get picard sources from sid. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:02.58 | arghx | kthakore: ignore that please |
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| 18:03.05 | arghx | stack: you see that python-qt4 is fine for the sid picard version. so it looks like you only need to get picard sources from sid. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:03.20 | qwer | hi people. what do i have to install to be able to mount fat32? |
| 18:03.27 | stack | arghx: but I'm on squeeze |
| 18:03.31 | arghx | kthakore: not really possible. you'd have to do it manually |
| 18:03.49 | arghx | qwer: nothing. should work out of the box. what mount command are you using? |
| 18:04.17 | arghx | stack: yes I know. have you read the ssb factoid from dpkg? |
| 18:04.28 | qwer | my friend has a mp3-player. i plug it in and it says mounting not possible |
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| 18:05.01 | arghx | qwer: check your kernel log if it's recognized as mass storage and if so as which device names |
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| 18:06.16 | qwer | how can i check that log? |
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| 18:06.28 | arghx | qwer: run dmesg for example |
| 18:06.37 | arghx | it's also in /var/log/kern.log |
| 18:06.56 | vahid | arghx: M310 |
| 18:07.21 | qwer | it says : ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format |
| 18:07.33 | qwer | i think that's right |
| 18:07.53 | stack | arghx: yes I read that, I found a backport for picard but I'm unsure how it should fix that issue, and the backport for python-qt4 is against libqtcore4 4.7 and not 4.6 |
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| 18:08.07 | arghx | vahthat one should be supported by debian non-free drivers |
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| 18:08.28 | arghx | stack: where did you find a backport exactly? ubuntu repos are not usable by debian at all |
| 18:09.21 | qwer | disk utility says: partition type: w95 fat32 (0x0b) type: FAT(32-bit version) |
| 18:09.27 | arghx | vahid that one should be supported by debian non-free drivers |
| 18:09.29 | Guest43303 | hi, I do not have gcc man pages in my installation, and there seems to exist no gcc-doc package, how to get man pages for gcc? |
| 18:09.34 | stack | arghx: mh no I was wrong, a redirect on the packages page confused me |
| 18:09.42 | arghx | qwer: what debian do you run and what is the output of dmesg? |
| 18:10.11 | qwer | squeezy stable |
| 18:10.13 | arghx | Guest43303: they are in non-free or contrib due to the FDL being incompatible with DFSG. |
| 18:10.16 | arghx | ,info gcc-doc |
| 18:10.17 | judd | Package gcc-doc (contrib/doc, optional) in squeeze/i386: documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++). Version: 5:3; Size: 2.8k; Installed: 16k |
| 18:10.28 | acu | If I have setup an LVM spanning two physical hard disks - and move it to another machine - is the data readable on thos HDD - what do I need to do ? |
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| 18:11.11 | qwer | dmesg says a lot |
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| 18:11.21 | arghx | qwer: that's why you use a pastebin |
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| 18:11.33 | Guest43303 | arghx: ok, thanks. I am not a fan of info doc format, how do I get the non-free via apt-get? |
| 18:11.33 | qwer | one moment |
| 18:11.43 | arghx | !tell Guest43303 about contrib |
| 18:11.59 | qwer | you know a simple webpage for pastebin? |
| 18:12.05 | arghx | !paste |
| 18:12.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 18:12.23 | qwer | i have one |
| 18:12.52 | n-iCe | abrotman: around? |
| 18:13.00 | qwer | dmesg > http://paste2.org/p/1733044 |
| 18:13.36 | arghx | qwer: see line 853 and following? |
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| 18:14.10 | qwer | yes |
| 18:14.24 | arghx | qwer: it's /dev/sdb1 as you can see from that. so you can mount the fat32 partition at /dev/sdb1. and you use -t vfat option for mount if it doesn't recognize it on its own |
| 18:14.47 | qwer | ok thank you very much |
| 18:14.52 | arghx | also you can run "mount" without any options to see if it's maybe already mounted |
| 18:15.26 | arghx | gnome for example has an automounter which has already done that possibly |
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| 18:16.19 | qwer | arghx: i did it with -t vfat thank you very much! |
| 18:16.24 | qwer | good bye |
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| 18:24.21 | zimbres | arghx: HI, I am back my debian froze, and i had to reboot. So how to get the non-free gcc docs? |
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| 18:24.40 | jelly-home | !tell zimbres about non-free sources |
| 18:24.41 | n-iCe | change tty's |
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| 18:26.56 | zimbres | jelly-home: !tell should I see something from tell command? |
| 18:27.04 | zimbres | !tell about non-free |
| 18:27.13 | n-iCe | , non-free |
| 18:27.16 | rww | !tell zimbres -about non-free sources |
| 18:27.31 | jelly-home | zimbres: check other tabs for a private message from dpkg, the bot |
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| 18:29.09 | acu | any recommendations for an imap client which works in android well with cyrus imap ? |
| 18:29.29 | zimbres | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 18:31.51 | abrotman | n-iCe: mildly |
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| 18:34.01 | cookiemon5ter | can i dd a debian iso or do i need to make an install disk anothher way |
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| 18:34.38 | n-iCe | abrotman!!!!!!!!!!! it finished, what's next!?!?! |
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| 18:35.42 | arghx | zimbres: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 18:36.02 | abrotman | n-iCe: install the packages .. i told you |
| 18:36.09 | ksk | cookiemon5ter: you should be able to dd it (at least an up2date image) |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | cookiemon5ter: dd it to what? |
| 18:36.14 | arghx | cookiemon5ter: yes you can. debian squeeze installers are hybrid images |
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| 18:36.24 | abrotman | you can cat them .. not sure about dd |
| 18:36.27 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 18:36.32 | rww | abrotman: you can |
| 18:36.42 | rww | dd, that is |
| 18:36.45 | ksk | dd to usbstick should work since squeeze i guess |
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| 18:37.06 | orflon | hello, I have the following sound problem when using Skype. When I have sound in Skype I don't have in any other application (i.e. iceweasel/smplayer), and vice versa. When I want sound in Skype I close all the apps , open skype and then the others. Can't they work alltogether? Thanks. |
| 18:37.12 | abrotman | just saying that the manual says cat .. your call |
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| 18:37.53 | n-iCe | abrotman: what packages |
| 18:37.53 | ksk | tools like "unetbootin" - if avaliable, are nice btw for things like that |
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| 18:38.06 | arghx | ksk: and a prime reason when the install fails. unetbootin is not good |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | n-iCe: the ones in the parent directory |
| 18:38.15 | abrotman | unetbootin is a bad idea |
| 18:38.26 | n-iCe | I Just see linux-image-2.6.39-dhcppc0-amd64_20111021_amd64.deb abrotman |
| 18:38.33 | abrotman | seems reasonable to try |
| 18:38.37 | ksk | chrchr. any hardfacts on that? :P |
| 18:38.49 | n-iCe | abrotman: then just a single package you say? |
| 18:38.50 | n-iCe | ok |
| 18:38.52 | arghx | ksk: yes. tons of people coming in here for help |
| 18:38.53 | abrotman | ksk: every day people come in here saying "I used unetbootin, and now the install doesn't work" |
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| 18:39.27 | n-iCe | installed abrotman |
| 18:39.30 | ksk | mhmkay.. just tried it 2,3 times and worked ;) |
| 18:39.35 | abrotman | cross your fingers .. reboot |
| 18:39.37 | n-iCe | what's next? |
| 18:39.38 | n-iCe | oooooooooh |
| 18:39.39 | n-iCe | OK |
| 18:39.42 | n-iCe | says thanks |
| 18:39.44 | n-iCe | brb |
| 18:39.47 | abrotman | ksk: good luck for you .. most aren't so fortunate |
| 18:40.16 | ksk | i will start crying in here if it stops working some day :> |
| 18:40.47 | iman | hi, wen I am going to http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/corner site and I want to listen pronunciation, it doesn't make any sound, but my audio card is install already, what is the problem ? |
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| 18:41.13 | ksk | you got sound on youtube for example? |
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| 18:42.14 | iman | I should test it |
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| 18:42.35 | n-iCe | abrotman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:42.48 | n-iCe | both work my micro and my wifi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:42.53 | n-iCe | shit you rock |
| 18:43.02 | n-iCe | now tell me, what did you just do? |
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| 18:45.54 | abrotman | n-iCe: i didn't do anything .. you did it |
| 18:46.47 | n-iCe | but what did we do? recompile? is this what you said? |
| 18:46.52 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:48.45 | n-iCe | awesome!! |
| 18:48.52 | n-iCe | so let me list what we did |
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| 18:54.23 | ksx4system | is it possible to install php5-xmlrpc but without all that Apache bloat? I'm going to use lighttpd web server |
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| 18:55.22 | abrotman | judd: depends php5-xmlrpc --release squeeze |
| 18:55.23 | judd | Package php5-xmlrpc in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), phpapi-20090626+lfs, php5-common (= 5.3.3-7+squeeze3). |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | ksx4system: did you try -R with aptitude ? |
| 18:55.46 | ksx4system | abrotman: let me show you something, w8 |
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| 18:55.56 | n-iCe | abrotman, what do you think? http://pastebin.com/4uvvw1SK |
| 18:56.47 | ksx4system | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/138909/ |
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| 18:57.41 | arghx | ksx4system: tell it not to install recommends |
| 18:57.50 | ksx4system | arghx: how? |
| 18:57.52 | abrotman | that's what -R is |
| 18:58.19 | ksx4system | so it'll be apt-get -R install blah1 blah2 blah3, right? |
| 18:58.32 | arghx | ksx4system: no. please read what abrotman actually wrote |
| 18:58.40 | n-iCe | looks correct for you abrotman? |
| 18:58.44 | arghx | ksx4system: or use the manpages yourself |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | i know .. i write crazy stuff |
| 18:58.49 | n-iCe | gives a +1 to abrotman |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | n-iCe: !abrotman++ |
| 18:59.05 | n-iCe | !abrotman++ |
| 18:59.17 | xand | is it not possible to install abitrary other packages using the debian install CD? (so I can install grub2, as grub is useless on this machine) |
| 18:59.30 | abrotman | n-iCe: something like that .. close enough that if you have those notes someone will be able to help you the rest of theway |
| 18:59.33 | arghx | xand: debian uses grub2 |
| 18:59.37 | xand | it doesn't |
| 18:59.45 | arghx | xand: there is not grub1 on the debian stable cd |
| 18:59.45 | abrotman | xand: it does |
| 18:59.49 | arghx | -t |
| 18:59.56 | abrotman | xand: on squeeze? it's the default for x86/amd64 |
| 19:00.03 | somiaj | xand: dpkg -l | grep grub (What is the version)? |
| 19:00.07 | xand | well, I need the efi version |
| 19:00.23 | xand | somiaj: nothing because there is no dpkg on the install cd |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | xand: anyway .. i think there's a way to pass it via the cmd line when it boots |
| 19:00.31 | xand | at least not where I can see |
| 19:00.41 | xand | abrotman: when the cd boots? |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | when it prompts you .. |
| 19:01.09 | xand | what is "it"? |
| 19:01.19 | abrotman | it's it .. |
| 19:01.23 | xand | >:| |
| 19:01.24 | abrotman | </faithnomore> |
| 19:01.55 | xand | well whatever the installs using the "Install GRUB..." option, does not work |
| 19:02.16 | xand | I want to install grub-efi-amd64 |
| 19:02.19 | arghx | xand: then I suggest you copy the grub-efi packages to a usb stick and install them manually |
| 19:02.35 | xand | why doesn't the installer have the option? |
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| 19:02.51 | abrotman | xand: i'd maybe ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 19:03.01 | xand | k |
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| 19:05.36 | phorce1 | from inside the squeeze d-i how can I get grub to install to the mbr of a different disk if it chooses the wrong one? |
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| 19:08.20 | n-iCe | abrotman: you develop for debian? |
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| 19:11.33 | somiaj | phorce1: if you have installed the base system, you can chroot into the target dir and run grub from there. |
| 19:12.21 | phorce1 | hardware conflicts force my non-boot drive to always come up first in bios and at boot time as /dev/sda (the add-in card for it has to be initialized before the onboard scsi). I need grub to install to /dev/sdb o be able to boot after install completes. |
| 19:12.58 | arghx | !fixgrub |
| 19:12.59 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 19:13.07 | arghx | you can do this before you reboot the debian installer |
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| 19:13.52 | wo0f | yo |
| 19:13.53 | wo0f | does 32bit use less memory? |
| 19:14.02 | wo0f | if u get what i mean |
| 19:14.05 | valdyn | wo0f: yes |
| 19:14.10 | wo0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.18 | wo0f | i see |
| 19:14.48 | wo0f | so if im running a virtual machine, thats not likely to see above 4 gig ram, or need pae |
| 19:14.56 | wo0f | better to just run 32bit? |
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| 19:15.55 | phorce1 | arghx, somiaj: from inside the installer (before it completes) 'chroot /target' issues a "chroot: can't execute '/bin/network-console':" error ---- oh, crap. I'm doing an ssh install. Lemme walk over to the hardware terminal and try again |
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| 19:17.00 | wo0f | anyone? |
| 19:17.06 | arghx | wo0f: most times yes. rarely you get a special software that can actually make use of the wider and additional registers |
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| 19:17.53 | luist_ | hey guys⦠i need to make a deb package that is just installing a binary, a desktop file and an information file⦠where should i start? i never built a deb package, just rpm :T |
| 19:17.53 | wo0f | arghx, cheerx |
| 19:18.15 | wo0f | luist_, check alien? |
| 19:18.45 | phorce1 | That worked. So, if I really had no access to a direct console and wanted to do it through the ssh install console, possible? |
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| 19:24.30 | chrissbx | Hi. I'm looking for a tool that can show me cpu usage of a remote machine in my local gnome panel. |
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| 19:26.15 | chrissbx | I would be ok hacking an existing tool to move the cpu measurement code to the remote over ssh, suggestions welcome. |
| 19:26.34 | chrissbx | (Of course I'd like to do as little hacking as possible.) |
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| 19:30.44 | luist_ | wo0f: are you saying that i should make an rpm package and transform it into a deb package? |
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| 19:31.19 | cobra-the-joker | i wont encourage it ... |
| 19:31.24 | luist_ | wo0f: whats the correspondent to a .spec file in a deb package? |
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| 19:31.50 | arghx | !tell luist_ about nmg |
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| 19:38.26 | luist_ | arghx: ? |
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| 19:39.25 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm trying to compile wine in debian. I did apt-get build-dep wine, but configure still complains about not being able to build for 32-bit: configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. ... This is confirmed by a manual test, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/496601/ . However, the necessary stuff does seem to be installed: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/496611/ . Can anyone help? |
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| 19:40.34 | luist_ | arghx: this is some huge docs with tons of information that i dont need⦠i need a simple example cuz im in a hurry :T |
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| 19:40.51 | valdyn | !hurry |
| 19:40.51 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 19:41.22 | zmotok | hello everyone, has anybody here experience in building lustre on debian (stable)? |
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| 19:42.23 | zmotok | all tutorials/wiki pages refer to debian etch or lenny, and the lustre-source in squeeze doesn't build with module assistant |
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| 19:46.41 | arghx | zmotok: have you checked if there are docs in /usr/share/doc/ for it? |
| 19:47.04 | zmotok | arghx: yes, they refer to the 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 19:48.47 | zmotok | arghx: and to removed features of make-kpkg (added-patches) |
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| 19:54.47 | phorce1 | ok, so I thought it worked. It's acting like the D-I installed grub instead of grub2. I am trying to boot from an MD device. Grub complains "Error: Unsupported RAID version 1.0" and the MD device can't be booted from. |
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| 19:57.23 | xand | phorce1: I feel your pain. |
| 19:57.32 | xand | on my machine I can't even get as far as grub :D |
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| 19:59.00 | ompaul | zmotok: you'd really want to ask oracle what their plans are, seems they are not so friendly to FLOSS these days |
| 19:59.29 | ompaul | going from unbreakable linux to oh look we broke that too |
| 19:59.37 | zmotok | ompaul: i've seen they have no plans twards anything other than rhel/sles derivatives |
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| 19:59.51 | phorce1 | grub2 should support booting from softraid. I have no clue where this error is coming from. Guess I'll break the raid on /boot and use rsync in cron to make sure I always have two current bootable drives |
| 19:59.53 | zmotok | the problem is that one compute cluster i'm managing is using lustre and it works beautifully |
| 20:00.04 | zmotok | with scientific linux (rhel derivative) |
| 20:00.27 | ompaul | zmotok: why is that a debian question then? |
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| 20:01.15 | zmotok | ompaul: because a research group that's using a debian cluster is in need of such a FS |
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| 20:03.46 | Necrosporus | can you please check if dc -e [ does segfault? |
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| 20:05.04 | zmotok | Necrosporus: does here, debian wheezy amd64 |
| 20:05.08 | msh07 | anybody have idea about video capture? |
| 20:05.09 | ompaul | Necrosporus: it does on sid |
| 20:05.22 | ompaul | msh07: of desktop ... istanbul |
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| 20:06.06 | Necrosporus | ompaul, amd64? |
| 20:06.11 | ompaul | yes |
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| 20:06.16 | Necrosporus | Can someone test on 32 bit? |
| 20:06.26 | msh07 | ompaul, non... with cameras... |
| 20:07.14 | Necrosporus | Unfortunately, GNU utils are sometimes buggy |
| 20:07.25 | Necrosporus | Its second segfault I found this week |
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| 20:09.17 | zmotok | is going to see what parallel FS could possibly be used |
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| 20:13.40 | ompaul | Necrosporus: I spoke to a pal of min a few moments ago on that dc is expected to segfault if you do it that way |
| 20:14.01 | ompaul | s/min/mine |
| 20:14.40 | Necrosporus | What's pal? |
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| 20:14.49 | ompaul | friend |
| 20:14.52 | LegalEagle | not to mention segmentation faulrtwith a \side plate of kernel panic |
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| 20:15.40 | Necrosporus | every segfault is either hardware failure or a bug |
| 20:15.42 | ompaul | well I didn't get that impact, dc is for |
| 20:16.15 | valdyn | Necrosporus: not really, sometimes simplicity is preferable to complete input validation |
| 20:16.17 | ompaul | numbers |
| 20:16.39 | Necrosporus | seem like it's also libc bug |
| 20:16.39 | ompaul | if you want a different tool there are some |
| 20:17.15 | Necrosporus | not dc, but libc |
| 20:17.33 | ompaul | hang on |
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| 20:17.48 | ompaul | you gave us dc and a seg fault you now point the finger at libc |
| 20:17.54 | ompaul | based on what evidence? |
| 20:18.43 | simonlnu | none ;p |
| 20:18.58 | ompaul | simonlnu: aww, and I was so looking forward to it |
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| 20:23.25 | Necrosporus | ompaul, because of message |
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| 20:23.36 | Necrosporus | dc[237]: segfault at 9835000 ip b7e549c7 sp bf92be30 error 6 in libc-2.6.1.so[b7dea000+121000] |
| 20:23.52 | valdyn | Necrosporus: that does not make it a bug in libc |
| 20:23.58 | ompaul | because it is a length overflow |
| 20:24.09 | valdyn | Necrosporus: theres plenty functions in dc that are not supposed to do input validation |
| 20:24.25 | valdyn | Necrosporus: i meant libc |
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| 20:25.19 | valdyn | Necrosporus: like uh, the most common one is printf I guess |
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| 20:27.36 | architek | but [ should not result in a segfault as it is invalid script |
| 20:28.08 | valdyn | architek: yea, i dont know about it, or what the shell does with it |
| 20:28.48 | Necrosporus | q='eval "$q"'; eval "$q" |
| 20:28.53 | Necrosporus | another segfault |
| 20:28.58 | Necrosporus | in bash this time |
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| 20:29.42 | valdyn | Necrosporus: any unlimited recursion will create a segfault |
| 20:29.58 | Necrosporus | only if program doesn't check it's stack |
| 20:30.01 | architek | valdyn dc -e \[ also segfault. so its not the shell its dc which comes at the end of the script but has an unbalanced bracket |
| 20:30.05 | valdyn | Necrosporus: this may be a bug, but its probably well known and not planned to be fixed |
| 20:30.21 | jhutchins_lt | Necrosporus: What arch & release are you playing with? |
| 20:30.43 | valdyn | Necrosporus: try this in java too btw, it will segfault |
| 20:30.46 | Necrosporus | jhutchins_lt, amd64, slackware |
| 20:30.59 | valdyn | Necrosporus: but inside the vm, not a native segfault |
| 20:31.01 | architek | the eval one is nice :) |
| 20:31.42 | Necrosporus | valdyn, but zsh doesn't have this bug |
| 20:31.47 | architek | infinite recursion |
| 20:32.09 | Necrosporus | $ q='eval "$q"'; eval "$q" |
| 20:32.09 | Necrosporus | zsh: job table full or recursion limit exceeded |
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| 20:32.14 | valdyn | Necrosporus: how does zsh solve neverending recursion? |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | Necrosporus: thats nice |
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| 20:34.24 | architek | q='echo yo;eval "$q"'; eval "$q" |
| 20:34.25 | jelly-home | good thing noone pasted in a fork bomb yet |
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| 20:34.34 | valdyn | yea |
| 20:35.02 | architek | yes, this one is not surprising but the dc.. I'd say its a bug |
| 20:35.13 | GNU\colossus | valdyn, that just means they have an explicit limit for recursion depth and/or number of jobs |
| 20:35.18 | luist_ | can anyone point me a simple .dsc to build a deb package? |
| 20:35.24 | xero_ | hey, are there any downsides to choosing a 64 bit image for a Debian server? |
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| 20:35.34 | valdyn | GNU\colossus: sure i know |
| 20:35.39 | xero_ | can it still run 32 bit programs, if they haven't been ported yet? |
| 20:35.53 | GNU\colossus | xero_, no downsides, yes you (usually) can |
| 20:36.06 | xero_ | GNU\colossus: kk, thx :) |
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| 20:36.22 | valdyn | xero_: 64bit uses more ram and more cpu cache |
| 20:36.29 | jelly-home | xero_: some workloads are a bit faster compared to 32bit, some are a bit slower, some use more memory |
| 20:36.50 | GNU\colossus | ok, let me rephrase: no practical or relevant downsides. |
| 20:37.01 | xero_ | so, for a vServer with 1GB RAM, what would you recommend? |
| 20:37.14 | valdyn | GNU\colossus: usually, they can be significant |
| 20:37.14 | jelly-home | xero_: 32bit |
| 20:37.26 | GNU\colossus | I have x86_64 even on my 64mb vps |
| 20:37.45 | jelly-home | xero_: even better: test your app with both |
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| 20:38.23 | valdyn | theres some corner cases and theres tools that are ( or maybe have been ) alot faster in 32-bit |
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| 20:38.58 | jelly-home | most of my servers are 64bit now, whether virtual or physical |
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| 20:41.13 | luist_ | oh godâ¦. i have a folder with 1 executable and 1 .desktop file. i compressed them in a tar.gz. how do i make a deb package out of it⦠that should be so simple but all the freaking guides i find shows the tons of useless stuff that i dont needâ¦! |
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| 20:45.21 | xero_ | anyway, thx guys :) |
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| 20:48.44 | ompaul | Necrosporus: http://paste.debian.net/138951/ |
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| 20:49.33 | ompaul | the dc_push(...) line is the interesting, len is 0, you do -1, get a underflow. eol :) |
| 20:50.16 | ompaul | Necrosporus: you might cause someone to code a fix yet :-/ |
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| 20:52.56 | architek | luist_: use dh_make ? |
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| 20:53.39 | luist_ | architek: hm⦠i just tried this: /work/HardwareInfo/hinfo-0.1$ dh_make -f ./hinfo-0.1.tar.gz and i have no idea what happened :T |
| 20:53.40 | architek | although there's probably some script to automate this |
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| 21:06.22 | ompaul | Necrosporus: if you want to fix that bug in the source in eval.c there is a line where it says len-1) change that to len) and compile again |
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| 21:07.10 | fanofbangelthor | A friend of mine with a Thinkpad T420 wanted Debian, so I told him I'd help him install it. We couldn't get through the installer on his machine, so we switched hard drives with each other (I have a Thinkpad W500) and installed debian on his hard drive using my laptop. However, we cannot use the internet on his machine with his hard drive, although we can with his hard drive on my machine. Is there any way to fix this? |
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| 21:07.47 | ompaul | yes |
| 21:08.03 | fanofbangelthor | Neither wireless or wired internet works |
| 21:08.05 | Necrosporus | ompaul, are you sure, it won't cause another bug? |
| 21:08.08 | ompaul | fanofbangelthor: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:08.15 | ompaul | Necrosporus: I fixed that bug |
| 21:08.20 | Necrosporus | I'd like it fixed upstream |
| 21:08.22 | ompaul | as for more - test and use cases |
| 21:08.29 | ompaul | well maybe I'll submit it |
| 21:08.38 | ompaul | maybe I won't |
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| 21:08.56 | fanofbangelthor | Thank you, I'll try that |
| 21:09.04 | ompaul | I'll work out later if I can do a drive by bug fix in an irc channel and take no hand act or part in it |
| 21:10.52 | Necrosporus | I can't do it right now, I have no spare time for several next days |
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| 21:11.10 | ompaul | takes 10 seconds and you loiters here on irc for ages have fun |
| 21:11.28 | Necrosporus | What does take 10 seconds? |
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| 21:11.56 | ompaul | download vi and compile |
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| 21:13.59 | BlackBishop | anyone can tell me what I'm doing wrong ? http://pastebin.com/U82zDL75 .. trying to auth using realtime ( mysql backend ) |
| 21:14.30 | BlackBishop | the current .confs and sql db worked ok in squeezy .. in wheezy ... can't figure out what's wrong :| |
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| 21:16.41 | simonlnu | squeeze* |
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| 21:16.54 | BlackBishop | that too. |
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| 21:28.14 | Necrosporus | ompaul, I did that |
| 21:28.17 | Necrosporus | so, what? |
| 21:28.33 | Necrosporus | That was 17 minutes |
| 21:28.41 | Necrosporus | Package bc-1.06.95-x86_64-2 upgraded with new package /tmp/bc-1.06.95-x86_64-3fix.txz. |
| 21:28.43 | ompaul | Necrosporus: gaaa you are no fun |
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| 21:29.49 | Necrosporus | $ dc -e[B0376904385883PP6120568P]dx |
| 21:29.49 | Necrosporus | dc: dc -e[B0376904385883PP6120568P]]dx']' (0135) unimplemented |
| 21:30.15 | Necrosporus | ompaul, your "fix" caused even worse bug |
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| 21:31.58 | Necrosporus | As I expected |
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| 21:32.57 | webad_13 | does anyone know where file or history of froms filled (iceweasel) is located? I need to recover some information that I entered |
| 21:33.38 | simonlnu | one of the many sqlite files in your profile... |
| 21:34.17 | webad_13 | simonlnu: how can I open one? |
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| 21:34.29 | simonlnu | with sqlite3 |
| 21:34.41 | simonlnu | just some simple sql |
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| 21:36.58 | ompaul | Necrosporus: well I'm not going to spend the rest of my evening looking at your use cases - if you want to write them all down at once in paste.debian.net and give me a url I might spend some time on this tomorrow |
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| 21:38.07 | ompaul | Necrosporus: and I'd like you to tell me what you expect the output to look like |
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| 21:38.19 | ompaul | if you want anyone else to look at it either |
| 21:38.29 | Necrosporus | $ dc -e[B0376904385883PP6120568P]dx ; echo |
| 21:38.29 | Necrosporus | dc -e[B0376904385883PP6120568P]dx |
| 21:38.40 | Necrosporus | it's a quine I wrote recently |
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| 21:39.15 | Necrosporus | I have put a space after [ without quoting accidentally and discovered the bug |
| 21:39.46 | Necrosporus | It's also a shortest true quine for bash I know |
| 21:40.00 | Necrosporus | (cat $0 is not true) |
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| 21:41.41 | Riviera | dc's not part of bash. |
| 21:42.07 | Necrosporus | I know, however, if you put it into a file and run it with bash, it will output its content |
| 21:42.24 | Necrosporus | without reading the file |
| 21:42.39 | Necrosporus | and without using $BASH_COMMAND cheat |
| 21:43.06 | ompaul | dc -e "" |
| 21:43.25 | Necrosporus | ompaul, it doesn't output anything |
| 21:43.26 | ompaul | asks pandora for the hope |
| 21:43.48 | Necrosporus | empty file is not considered quine in contests |
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| 21:44.07 | ompaul | null to you too ;-) |
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| 21:47.56 | Riviera | Necrosporus: That's not a "real quine" then. A dc quine should consist of dc code creating dc code. A bash quine consists of bash code creating bash code. What you did is also nice, but neither a bash nor a dc quine. |
| 21:48.48 | Necrosporus | Riviera, it's bash+stdtools quine |
| 21:48.53 | Necrosporus | or GNU quine |
| 21:48.59 | Riviera | Necrosporus: It's more or less equivalent of a program that emits a "q" and is called q. I can call it from bash with the command "q" and it outputs a "q." |
| 21:49.06 | Necrosporus | or unix shell quine |
| 21:49.22 | Riviera | Necrosporus: So, being less interesting than your code, it's still shorter. Anyway, instead of bragging the internets, write a real dc quine now. :) |
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| 21:49.49 | Necrosporus | Riviera, I did |
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| 21:50.10 | Necrosporus | [91Pn[dx]93Pn]dx |
| 21:53.15 | Necrosporus | Riviera, however, first one was more complex |
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| 21:53.39 | Necrosporus | Riviera, it's still the one of shortest standard UNIX shell quine |
| 21:54.25 | Necrosporus | your q are not included into any standard GNU/Linux or other UNIX-like OS distribution |
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| 21:55.23 | Necrosporus | or if you want, widely known |
| 21:55.25 | jfb86 | hello world |
| 21:56.02 | jfb86 | french channel is sleeping so i come here to see if there is more move :) |
| 21:56.05 | Necrosporus | jfb86: bash: hello: command not found |
| 21:56.24 | jfb86 | Necrosporus> :) |
| 21:56.38 | amphi | jfb86: you could also check #debian on oftc for move |
| 21:57.01 | Necrosporus | jfb86: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)' |
| 21:57.03 | jfb86 | amphi: i'll try ;) |
| 21:58.07 | Riviera | Necrosporus: that does not make it a quine, which was the point. (Also dc isn't POSIX.) You might however be interested in channels like #codegolf. |
| 21:58.19 | jfb86 | what time is it for you? in here it's 00h00 |
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| 21:59.32 | jfb86 | i'm boring |
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| 22:00.07 | Riviera | Necrosporus: or well, maybe a "unix quine," fair enough. |
| 22:00.28 | jfb86 | i saw one entire season of malcolm, but still boring... |
| 22:00.28 | babilen | jfb86: Please note that this is a technical support channel, not one for general chatting. If you are looking for the latter please /join #defocus |
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| 22:00.47 | Necrosporus | dc was one of the first unix programs, it was present even in UNIX v1 from 1973 |
| 22:00.48 | jfb86 | babilen> ok excuse me |
| 22:00.53 | Necrosporus | * 1971 |
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| 22:01.08 | Necrosporus | I don't know if it was in UNICS of 1969 |
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| 22:01.20 | Necrosporus | But's it's older than even C language |
| 22:01.52 | jfb86 | i'm here to help if i can on technical support, so don't worry, i know where i am and i know the rules ;) |
| 22:02.45 | jfb86 | even if i'm french... lol |
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| 22:05.30 | jfb86 | is everyone running ubuntu studio? |
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| 22:05.58 | ompaul | jfb86: if I called you a troll would you be happy? |
| 22:06.21 | Riviera | Necrosporus: Yes, I know that. But it was you who came up with standards, and dc is neither part of POSIX nor AFAIK of LSB. |
| 22:06.25 | Riviera | anyway, moot. |
| 22:06.35 | jfb86 | ompaul> no of course, it was just a question |
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| 22:07.01 | jfb86 | don't want to launch troll |
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| 22:07.49 | jfb86 | my base is debian, and derivates of course |
| 22:07.51 | simonlnu | this is #debian, for *debian*. only. |
| 22:08.03 | simonlnu | no derived distros |
| 22:08.42 | ompaul | not even *yours* |
| 22:08.44 | rww | jfb86: I think ompaul's comment was because you said "everyone" instead of "anyone" :) |
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| 22:09.06 | rww | jfb86: but yes, Ubuntu Studio isn't on-topic here, try #ubuntustudio or #ubuntu |
| 22:10.37 | jfb86 | rwww: thank you and excuse my english.. sorry |
| 22:11.28 | jfb86 | and i'm more debian than ubuntu so i'm at home here :) |
| 22:11.45 | ompaul | jfb86: and how is that a debian support question~? |
| 22:12.56 | jfb86 | ompaul: it's none... please excuse me |
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| 22:13.31 | ompaul | jfb86: then keep it to yourself or /msg jfb86 and have a chat with yourself ;-) |
| 22:13.51 | george____ | kind of random question, but how many MB is the compiled linux kernel? |
| 22:14.17 | jfb86 | ompaul: lol |
| 22:14.26 | rww | george____: that depends heavily on compilation and configuration options |
| 22:14.45 | george____ | rww, for default debian? |
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| 22:15.25 | architek | george____: depends on the arch ;) |
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| 22:15.55 | rww | george____: it still depends. by way of example, linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64's package is ~27MB and expands to 97MB when installed, not including dependencies |
| 22:16.24 | ompaul | george____: there is no such thing my box is slightly custom and about 12 megs for initrd and 2.8 for vmlinuz |
| 22:17.02 | rww | george____: If you have an actual question that's causing you to ask this question, it might be best to ask the actual question :) |
| 22:17.10 | jfb86 | george___: i installed debian on Power edge 2800 with 4Go RAM, default was 356 used by the kernel, and after kernel compilation, 60 MB used. Context was Etch, with eGROUPWARE (MySQL, APACHE2, VSFTP, and POSTFIX) |
| 22:17.20 | george____ | ompaul, on another irc channel I asked same things, to see what response I could get they told me it consists of /boot/initrd, /boot/vmlinuz and /lib/modules/<version> |
| 22:17.28 | george____ | adding those up it's about 16.6 MB |
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| 22:18.11 | george____ | rww, no actual question, it's just there are distros like slitaz which are only about 30 MB, and I just was wondering what the size of the linux kernel is |
| 22:18.19 | jfb86 | it was in 2005 |
| 22:18.52 | ompaul | george____: and my modules are about 114 megs (I never thought of that but yeah it is part of it) |
| 22:18.53 | george____ | jfb86, I was wondering about disk usage not ram usage, but that's interesting to know |
| 22:18.58 | rww | george____: The answer's implicit in that statement. Different configurations cause wildly different sizes :) |
| 22:19.18 | rww | so something like slitaz will optimize on size and be smaller |
| 22:19.21 | jfb86 | george___: ok |
| 22:19.38 | architek | when you put debian on embedded system, you clean a lot /lib/modules |
| 22:19.53 | ompaul | george____: also you have to think if you want to put it on a router you don't want what I want on my desktop |
| 22:20.07 | ompaul | george____: to put it another way, what architek said |
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| 22:22.11 | george____ | ompaul, ohh yeah, I gotchu, you wouldn't include modules that aren't needed so it decreases in size, but I would guess that slitaz would include most of the modules for desktop usage and it comes in at 30 MB which is quite amazing |
| 22:22.49 | george____ | so either the linux kernel is small in size or the makers of slitaz are really good at picking and choosing what to remove |
| 22:23.00 | jfb86 | george___: i always reserved /boot ~200Mb, the rest depends on what you want to do? but i think you know that /var /home and /usr are to be important, / don't need enormous space |
| 22:23.05 | ompaul | george____: it comes back to what many people said, it depends |
| 22:23.47 | architek | george____: there's no magic. for the same kernel and same options, its either in modules or in the kernel. 30Mb won't run on a lot of systems. |
| 22:24.29 | george____ | ompaul, yeah, I'm not too experienced myself, so that's why I asked, may be a stupid question, but if you were to download the linux kernel from the kernel.org site and compile it, how many MB would that be, or would it not include any modules? |
| 22:25.11 | ompaul | george____: you'd be slightly mad to not do any modules you need some for your hardware |
| 22:25.16 | babilen | george____: You have to configure it and the size depends on your configuration ... What is this about? Do you actually have a Debian related question? |
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| 22:27.00 | jfb86 | george___: take in mind that the kernel is in bzip2 with deb pack, with some modules, so be sure that the team always do the best to minimize |
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| 22:27.19 | george____ | babilen, just wondering is all :/ |
| 22:27.25 | babilen | ack |
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| 22:28.07 | jfb86 | and if you compile, you will purge the size with the modules you don't need, so your kernel could be very very light |
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| 22:30.15 | jfb86 | for example, in 2001 there was a distro debian based for firewall that was on a single floppy |
| 22:30.45 | ompaul | jfb86: and eh how is that related to a modern machine? |
| 22:30.57 | george____ | lol |
| 22:30.58 | ompaul | jfb86: which leads to why is that even relevant |
| 22:31.38 | george____ | alright, maybe we should change the topic before my questions starts a flamewar or something lol |
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| 22:31.38 | jfb86 | ompaul: i don't understand, let me please time to traduce |
| 22:31.55 | MaXim_ | it is still possible to fit a 2.6 kernel on a floppy |
| 22:31.56 | george____ | but thanks for the responses people |
| 22:32.07 | MaXim_ | compile with -Os for a start |
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| 22:33.21 | jfb86 | ompaul : ok |
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| 23:05.24 | delimax | greetings fine folks. i've been using debian for a while now and i think it's quite great, but there is a problem that i've been running into increasingly as i've had to build my own packages. currently i aptitude purge any packages i want to build myself before doing so, but this gets messy quickly. is there a better way to approach this problem? |
| 23:05.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | delimax: build with a higher version then install over the top |
| 23:06.12 | delimax | Kamping_Kaiser: simply overwrite the files? |
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| 23:07.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | delimax: when you say 'build my own packages' you mean debian packages? |
| 23:08.09 | delimax | Kamping_Kaiser: no sorry i guess that was ambiguous, i meant generic src tarballs |
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| 23:10.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | delimax: ah |
| 23:10.46 | babilen | delimax: You would typically install them to /usr/loca which is eased by tools such as stow (/msg dpkg stow usage) -- If other packages depends on this software you can use equivs to pretend that the actual package is installed. Please note that this shouldn't always be necessary as Debian ships *a lot* of packages already. General advice, and evything else depends on the software in question. |
| 23:10.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | delimax: then the better way is to package your stuff :) |
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| 23:10.57 | babilen | /usr/local ;) |
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| 23:12.29 | somiaj | delimax: maybe a useful question is why are you compliling your own software? |
| 23:12.47 | architek | dpkg is sleeping |
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| 23:12.54 | delimax | somiaj: well i wanted the newest version of nfsutils so i could test the new features out |
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| 23:13.07 | delimax | somiaj: plus i wanted gcc 4.6.1 so i could get the LTO stuff |
| 23:13.25 | somiaj | delimax: have you looked into backports. You can either get premade ones, or make your own. |
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| 23:13.48 | delimax | somiaj: actually i did check out backports but they weren't BLEEDING EDGE enough haha |
| 23:13.57 | dpkg | architek: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:14.07 | dvs | !wb |
| 23:14.24 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 23:14.52 | somiaj | delimax: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 23:16.14 | architek | delimax: then install debian unstable if you need bleeding (potentially broken) edge |
| 23:16.47 | delimax | will do, thanks for your help! |
| 23:17.23 | somiaj | yes sid breaks my desktop a lot...:D |
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| 23:20.58 | rypervenche | delimax: Maybe you want something like Arch Linux if you want bleeding edge stuff. |
| 23:21.29 | rypervenche | delimax: Debian is secure and stable. You seem to have SNS. |
| 23:22.17 | delimax | rypervenche: SNS? |
| 23:23.12 | rypervenche | !tell delimax -about sns |
| 23:23.19 | architek | is arch linux more bleeding edge than sid? |
| 23:24.07 | rypervenche | architek: I do believe so. |
| 23:24.48 | rypervenche | delimax: I use Debian Testing and I'm happy with my system. Something breaks every now and then, but it's never too serious. |
| 23:24.52 | delimax | rypervenche: rofl great bot tricks |
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| 23:25.36 | delimax | rypervenche: i understand your concerns and i understand how for most people this would be a bad idea but i am a student and a developer and i make it my business to find out why things break and then attempt to fix them |
| 23:26.21 | architek | backport is not a moving target? |
| 23:26.26 | architek | hummm |
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| 23:26.41 | rypervenche | delimax: I don't understand what you're getting at. |
| 23:27.11 | rypervenche | delimax: I'm not saying not to go with Testing or Unstable, I'm saying that you might like them more. What are you currently using? |
| 23:27.25 | delimax | rypervenche: stable |
| 23:27.46 | rypervenche | delimax: Yeah, I really liked Debian, but stable was a bit too old for me. I've been happy with Testing even since upgrading. |
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| 23:28.56 | delimax | rypervenche: cool. i think i'll stick with stable for now and only upgrade the packages which i actually need to be upgraded. that way i reach a happy medium between being stable and having recent software |
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| 23:29.48 | rypervenche | delimax: Whatever works for you^^ I ended up upgrading since chromium wasn't able to upgrade properly because of dependencies. |
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| 23:36.10 | unforgiven512 | So I seem to be having an odd issue. It seems as if anytime I use gksu/gksudo, X dies and restarts, throwing me back to the login screen. I'm using Debian wheezy (testing) |
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| 23:36.23 | unforgiven512 | Is this a known bug, or am I just having a localized issue? |
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| 23:39.11 | somiaj | unforgiven512: if its a known bug, someone using testing software would know to first check the bts |
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| 23:40.21 | architek | unforgiven512: are you completly up to date in testing? |
| 23:40.22 | unforgiven512 | That's what I'm doing now. Got a little bit ahead of myself there. |
| 23:40.32 | unforgiven512 | architek: I'm having odd issues updating. |
| 23:40.57 | unforgiven512 | I can't update any of the xorg packages, because they conflict with the ATI proprietary drivers. =/ |
| 23:41.06 | unforgiven512 | But other than that, yes. I have some updates I need to apply now. |
| 23:41.26 | somiaj | its because of the abi upgrade in xorg, but you could be having a bug due to not fully being updated |
| 23:41.28 | architek | bingo |
| 23:41.55 | somiaj | unforgiven512: do you actually use 3d software? might want to just use the radeon free drivers until ati catches up with the xorg abi upgrade. |
| 23:42.21 | architek | somiaj: radeon has 3d!? |
| 23:43.28 | unforgiven512 | Last I tried the free drivers, they didn't work well with my card (HD 6850) |
| 23:43.39 | somiaj | architek: yea I guess I'm to use to nvidia vs nouveau. But the radeon 3d is very slow on my laptop and dosen't run 3d games as well. |
| 23:43.41 | architek | I'm using radeon and 3d support is good on my 6370 crap card |
| 23:43.55 | unforgiven512 | But, no, I could go some time without using 3D software if necessary. |
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| 23:44.05 | unforgiven512 | compiz will work with the free drivers, correct? |
| 23:44.08 | architek | somiaj: ok, mine is fast, maybe as fast as fglrx but not a extreme gamer here |
| 23:44.26 | architek | unforgiven512: yes |
| 23:44.36 | somiaj | architek: yea it could just be my crap 4250 mobil card |
| 23:44.49 | unforgiven512 | Now the tricky part is removing fglrx and installing radeon |
| 23:45.15 | unforgiven512 | Also, would someone care to help me with apt pinning? I've never quite...got it. |
| 23:45.34 | architek | that's why you should always package it. anyway, there's a script ati uninstall somewhere. launch this one |
| 23:45.50 | unforgiven512 | I just set "testing" to default repo in synaptic (but I know that is not a proper fix, as that doesn't fix priorities with apt-get itself) |
| 23:45.55 | architek | then remove xorg.org. install radeon driver. update-initramfs, reboot |
| 23:46.17 | unforgiven512 | architek: I am using the repository version of fglrx |
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| 23:46.36 | unforgiven512 | so just apt-get remove ati-packages xorg |
| 23:46.37 | architek | unforgiven512: ah good. then only my last sentence |
| 23:46.45 | unforgiven512 | wait |
| 23:46.50 | unforgiven512 | Why would I remove xorg? |
| 23:46.59 | architek | .conf sorry :) |
| 23:47.02 | unforgiven512 | oh lol |
| 23:47.05 | unforgiven512 | Gotcha |
| 23:47.33 | unforgiven512 | So remove fglrx, install radeon, update everything, update-initramfs, reboot? |
| 23:47.53 | architek | update everything I'd do later :) |
| 23:48.39 | architek | unforgiven512: yes and remove xorg.conf if its still there, which was my case |
| 23:48.50 | unforgiven512 | Alright |
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| 23:49.13 | jfdlkjflkaa | words |
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| 23:50.04 | unforgiven512 | Should I do this all from a VT? |
| 23:50.23 | unforgiven512 | Or is it ok to do it from X? |
| 23:51.13 | somiaj | unforgiven512: any reason why your mixing things? You really shouldn't have to deal with pinning if your just running testing. |
| 23:51.36 | architek | from X should be fine. as the fglrx is still in use, the file will be seen as deleted but still present |
| 23:51.40 | unforgiven512 | somiaj: I use a few packages from unstable, experimental |
| 23:51.53 | unforgiven512 | arduino stuff, to give an example |
| 23:52.08 | unforgiven512 | and ok |
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| 23:53.39 | somiaj | you may try #debian-next on irc.debian.org, but mixing unstable and testing can sometimes lead to problems as well. |
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| 23:55.04 | dbbo | is 802.11n backward-compatible with g? |
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