IRC log for #debian on 20111024

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15:41.45kkulhavyhi did I understand right that saslauthd is a pita? Are they also other parts of the Cyrus?
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15:42.42ew0xkkulhavy: Depends. saslauthd is a charm when you're working with LDAP. IMHO not usable with a mysql backed as it involves messing around with pam inbetween, yes.
15:43.13acuBushmills: how do you reflas a tp-link with openwrt?
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15:44.25abrotmanand if you're using it wiht postfix, add the chroot fun for flavor
15:44.38Bushmillsper web interface. select replacement image.
15:44.49ew0xYeah, the chroot fun. Lovin it.
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15:45.06boudiccasacu; wtf is 'reflas'?
15:45.08ew0xkkulhavy: I really think you'd be better of using dovecot as your MDA
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15:45.30acureflas/reflash sorry
15:45.37ew0xs/of/off/
15:47.01ew0xkkulhavy: then you can tell postfix to use dovecot's auth socket for sasl auth
15:47.40kkulhavyew0x, thanks for tip! dovecot is the same cathegory of program as cyrus if I remember correctly? i. e. can do IMAP etc.?
15:47.46ew0xkkulhavy: (once againe with postfix chroot you'll have to get that socket into the chroot)
15:47.55ew0xkkulhavy: Yes, an MDA
15:48.00ew0xs/an/a
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15:48.27kkulhavyew0x, I think we don't even have psotfix installed on the server, dpkg --get-selections didn't contain the word "postfix", and the system is fully up and functional for long time
15:49.00ew0xkkulhavy: ... postfix is an MTA, you might not need that if clients don't use your server as 'smtp', if you prefer.
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15:49.48ew0xdefault MTA is exim4 anyway, even tho IMVHO exim is a joke
15:50.36petemcill bite, why is it a joke?
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15:51.43ew0xpetemc: echo !$ | grep -q 'IMVHO' && echo that's just my 2cents opinion || apologize
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15:52.20petemcim curious why you think its a joke, is all
15:52.29petemci know you're incorrect, just curious
15:53.02ew0xpetemc: I guess cause I didn't invest the time required to have it running as I want, which takes around 2.5 secs on a good old postfix
15:53.14petemcok
15:54.02ew0xI have good faith it's rock solid and can do everything postfix does -- I just never took the time to learn how. Any pointer on that maybe, as you seem to advocate in favor of exim ? ;)
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15:54.46Zap-Wwhat do the numbers in @@ -179,6 +181,7 @@  mean in diff
15:54.59kkulhavyew0x, you have experience with dovecot? Good one?
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15:55.34ew0xkkulhavy: I have quite some, yes, however nothing as tricky as using two different storage schemes for your password in the backend
15:55.38petemcew0x: its very simple at heart, acls to control incoming mail, routers to decide how to handle, transports to do the actual delivery. it just is veruy flexible, which can be seen as complexity.
15:56.03kkulhavyZap-W, I think the first is line number, then line count, and - and + are indicators of the old and new version or vice versa
15:56.05petemcand the debian managed config is a bit of a mess
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15:57.05kkulhavyew0x, does it sound like asking for lot of trouble or work, when we want to use two different storage schemes for our password in the backend?
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15:58.12ew0xpetemc: No, not really, sounds like restrictions, and transport maps in postfix, but what keeps me away from exim is what you'd just mention I say, I've had horrible difficulties trying to figure out how to properly configure it, maybe due tu packaging
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16:00.08ew0xkkulhavy: yes, that's two different queries to me, one salted md5, one plaintext
16:00.57ew0xkkulhavy: unless you can 'hack' it with, say a view from the plaintext DB to turn it into a salted one, but on a large site that would induce an awful overhead
16:01.47ew0xkkulhavy: there might be other options but without further knowledge of your infrastructure, no better guess
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16:04.55ew0xkkulhavy: I'd suggest you read as much as you can on dovecot's capabilities with a mysql backend, do the same regardin what auxprop can do on that, and figure out which will do best for you, given the constraints you have
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16:05.42ew0xkkulhavy: but once again your pass backends are 'inconsistent', you'll have to find a way to work it out
16:06.22Zetasheres my problem, i've installed something via apt.. messed it up so i uninstalled with apt using apt-get remove and apt-get purge now when i re-install it, it doesn't seem to run the same scripts as it did the first time it installed. I.e. the grub.d addition is not there as well as the init scripts, granted i deleted these myself manually since they weren't cleaned up by the purge/remove and they were corrupted as well. Any idea how to get apt to
16:06.22Zetasrun all the first time install scripts again?
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16:07.03ew0xZetas: dpkg-reconfigure [pkgname] ?
16:07.10Zetasdoesn't do it sadly
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16:07.59ew0xZetas: if the package isn't marked as 'configured' in your dpkg-selections when you install it, there's no reason for configure scripts not to be ran
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16:08.41Zetasthats what i thought but why is it when it gets intstalled again it doesn't have the supporting files like the init.d and the grub.d?
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16:09.42ew0xyou mean in /etc/init.d/ for instance ?
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16:10.34ew0xZetas: basically anything it's supposed to install under /etc, somehow ?
16:10.42Zetasright
16:10.51Zetas/etc/init.d and /etc/grub.d
16:11.39ew0xZetas: anything under /etc is marked as a conffile, so there's no reason for the package not to install them, unless maybe you marked it as diverted ?
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16:11.57Zetashow would one mark it as diverted?
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16:12.59ew0xZetas: if you have to ask I guess you did not
16:13.13Zetaswell i thought maybe i did it unintentionally
16:13.28ew0xwith dpkg-divert, basically
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16:13.54Zetasyea, then no, i didn't even know that command existed.
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16:14.24ew0xThat's a mistery to me. Do a dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/[package-file] and make sure the supposed /etc/init.d and /etc/grub.d files are included
16:14.31Zetasit seems like there is a database somewhere that tells apt if certain scripts have been created.. i think i need to find that database and clear it.
16:14.34Zetasok ill try that
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16:17.08Zetashmm none of them have it.. wtf
16:17.14Zetashow did they get created in the first place then
16:17.34ew0x;) most probably not by that package
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16:19.17kkulhavyew0x, yes, thanks! I think probably the only way first understand all the softwares involved and how they interoperate
16:19.53ew0xkkulhavy: best approach, I guess. Keep in mind this thing of two different storage scheme
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16:20.47ew0xkkulhavy: dovecot for instance does either plaintext or md5-crypt (salted), but I can't see an easy way to have it do both nor discriminate when to use which...
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16:20.58copperminehow do I fix this Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
16:21.09coppermineall i did was apt-get update and upgrade
16:21.16copperminenow its broken
16:21.22abrotmancoppermine: try clearing out /var/lib/apt/lists/* .. i think that's the right diretory
16:22.06boudiccascoppermine; not enough information, what version of debian? what 'segmenatation faulty tree'?
16:22.10kkulhavyew0x, yes, I get impression now, that it's not generally possible to come with an arbitrary requirement and "just figure out how to configure the software for it", because each software has a limit of complexity what he can serve
16:22.14coppermineit worked
16:22.19coppermineits debian on arm embedded device
16:23.19KaffeeJunky123I have a question about the flashplugin-nonfree package, shouldn't this package be updated when new flash versions are released?
16:23.27ew0xkkulhavy: Usually, yes. You can still 'hack' your plaintext database with say adding a field to the password table and store the md5+salt password there, updated with a cron or something, but that's definitely not optimal
16:23.32abrotmanKaffeeJunky123: every day?
16:23.39KaffeeJunky123I had to purge and reinstall the package to get the current flash lib
16:23.44KaffeeJunky123for some reason
16:23.59abrotmanKaffeeJunky123: there's an "update-flash" or something in that package, isn't there?
16:23.59kkulhavyew0x, I suggested to my boss that we try to drop that requirement, because it seems time-expensive to analyze all the stuff, and we should do it only if the customer insists on it to that extent that he is ready to pay for an expected expensive analysis and integration
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16:24.29KaffeeJunky123abrotman: ah, so there's a special programm for it because it's downloading flash from adobe :)
16:24.37ew0xkkulhavy: say to your boss the more straight-forward the infrastructure, the less it breaks, the lowest TCO you get. Money gets up on them, usually ;)
16:25.11KaffeeJunky123abrotman: update-flash doesn't seem to exist
16:25.13kkulhavyew0x, I personally love simple, straight-forward elegant infrastructures, and expect problems from complicated complex convoluted ones :)
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16:25.25abrotmanKaffeeJunky123: NFC .. look in the package contents .. dpkg -L flashplugin-nonfree
16:25.29ew0xkkulhavy: way to go, brother.
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16:25.36Guthuris there any packages to improve font rendering?
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16:25.39Zetasew0x, i was thinking there was a script embedded in the .deb that would generate the files.. could that be the case?
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16:26.06jhutchins_ltSince flashplugin-nonfree updates flash system-wide, it requires root privilages/path.
16:26.22ew0xZetas: a script 'embedded' - like preinst or postinst, generating conf files ? Not likely in a "real" debian package
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16:26.58gary_goldenI want enable sid repository, but make apititude *not* show packages as upgradable, but upgrade on demand.
16:26.59gary_goldenIn other words packages must be from testings by default, but can be upgradables to sid. Is it possible?
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16:27.13ew0xZetas: tweaking it maybe, but not generating it from scratch. Anyway these scripts should be run on reconfigure
16:27.20OldParrthe system do not recognizes mi Generel Electric webcam? how do i make it recognize the device
16:27.38jhutchins_ltgary_golden: Doesn't work like that.
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16:27.46jhutchins_ltgary_golden: You shouldn't be using sid packages anyway.
16:27.50kkulhavyew0x, I told my boss as you said, and he replied "yes, that's logical!" :)
16:27.52jhutchins_ltgary_golden: If anything, use backports.
16:28.05ew0xkkulhavy: ask for a pay raise, it's now or never.
16:28.12jhutchins_ltgary_golden: Since you're on testing, backport your own.
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16:28.23KaffeeJunky123abrotman: found it, it's name is update-flashplugin-nonfree :o
16:28.30KaffeeJunky123abrotman: thanks a bunch
16:29.09abrotmanKaffeeJunky123: enjoy
16:30.07gary_goldenjhutchins_lt: ok. it makes sense
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16:30.49kkulhavyew0x, I can do pay raise on demand - work more hours :)
16:31.03ew0xkkulhavy: lucky you.
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16:32.22kkulhavyI am happy that we can deploy free software for money and demonstrate with it, that free software is a commercially, practically viable alternative to proprietary software, which can pay off
16:32.35abrotmanKaffeeJunky123: not sure how well it works .. think it still depends on md5sums ?
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16:33.25ew0xYeah, how I'd hate being an ActiveDirectory or Exchange admin, that's for sure ;)
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16:35.16kkulhavyew0x, I found in the Internet Vindows Vista is 6 billion USD worth of development cost, and Linux (was SuSE, but I guess Debian will be similar) is 10.8 billion USD
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16:36.10ew0xkkulhavy: Vista was I guess like Millenium, half of the development cost must have gone to whiskey and cigaros
16:36.23KaffeeJunky123abrotman: looks like it's using sha512 to verify files now
16:37.36abrotmanwell .. close enough
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16:38.17KaffeeJunky123sha512 should be pretty safe in terms of creating collisions, shouldn't it?
16:39.08kkulhavyew0x, we plan to state the fact on a poster and put on our door, because I don't want people to think about Linux like it is for free therefore it is probably not good enough... I want them to think if they hold a Debian CD in their hands, they are holding 10.8 billion Dollars worth in their hand, and Debian may have its drawbacks here and advantages there, but generally it's a serious piece of software
16:39.09OldParrthe system do not recognizes mi Generel Electric webcam? how do i make it recognize the device
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16:41.10abrotmanKaffeeJunky123: i meant that it was being verified in some way
16:41.17ew0xkkulhavy: I wonder how people can put figures on linux "development cost", actually.
16:41.20abrotmanOldParr: your kernel version might help
16:41.28boudiccasOldParr; mi general electric webcam? what does 'mi' mean?
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16:42.02abrotmanboudiccas: my ?
16:42.12Bushmillsand what does "system" mean, maybe "ubuntu"?
16:42.30boudiccasabrotman; i dont know, thats why i'm asking
16:42.37arghxOldParr: and the usb id of the device too
16:42.44abrotmani'm still waiting for the kernel version
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16:42.52Bushmillscarefully avoiding the term "debian" :)
16:43.21kkulhavyew0x, I got impression the did some industry-standard cost-estimates for software development
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16:44.18ew0xkkulhavy: So they compare apples and oranges, I guess
16:44.18abrotmanOldParr: what is uname -r ?
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16:44.20KaffeeJunky123OldParr: paste the output of uname -a && lsusb to a pasting site and provide us the link please
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16:45.06kkulhavyew0x, OK, then we have different opinion :)
16:45.14boudiccasi reckon that OldParr is running ubuntu
16:45.19abrotmanpoints at #debian-offtopic
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16:45.39Bushmillswell, he may have switched, in the last few weeks, without telling anybody
16:45.42no_gravityHello! Sometimes while running a shellscript, it suddenly stops with the output "./file.sh: Zeile 11: 16313 Getötet". "Getötet" means "killed" in german. Whats that?
16:45.52no_gravityit stops on random lines and i did not kill it. its not on my machine, so i guess its some misconfiguration on that machine. is there a way to find out who killed it?
16:46.05kkulhavyabrotman, uname -r is kernel release number
16:46.08abrotmanno_gravity: could be your OOM
16:46.13abrotmankkulhavy: i know what it is .. thank you
16:46.21ew0xEpic.
16:46.50abrotmanyes .. he is ..
16:46.56ew0x;)
16:47.06no_gravityabrotman: whats OOM?
16:47.10IRConanout of memory
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16:47.13abrotman!oom
16:47.13dpkgwhat a woc says.  Out Of Memory, or http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/
16:47.14kkulhavyno_gravity, is it possible file.sh consumes too much memory and then gets killed by the system?
16:47.51no_gravitykkulhavy: i doubt it, because it does not use much memory. but how would i find out?
16:47.52KaffeeJunky123it also means out of mana
16:48.01kkulhavyno_gravity, this mechanism is called out of memory killer, or OOM, and is there because otherwise the whole Unix kinda grinds to halt or goes crazy when memory is full
16:48.09abrotmanmake it stop ...
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16:48.30kkulhavyno_gravity, in top one can see how much memory consumed... also if machine visibly swaps a lot and is slow, this is typically the case
16:48.30arghxslips some rohypnol to abrotman's coffee
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16:48.39abrotmanno_gravity: monitor your RAM usage with top .. see if it skyrockets
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16:48.51KaffeeJunky123no_gravity: check line 11 of that file.sh file
16:49.01abrotmanor tell us what line 11 is
16:49.02OldParrabrotman: wayuu@sinamaica:~$ uname -r  -------->    2.6.32-5-686
16:49.03acuOldParr: how do you know your system does not recognize the webcam: First go to Applications - Sound & Video and chose CHEESE webcam - that will allow you to chose your webcam and see if it runs (of course you should have closed anything else what uses the webcam - EKIGA and other)
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16:49.23kkulhavyOldParr, dmesg also often spits out some messages when webcam is connected
16:49.26abrotmanacu: uhm .. he may not have gnome ?
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16:49.59no_gravityKaffeeJunky123: it gets killed on all kinds of lines.
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16:50.39no_gravitykkulhavy: i see it in top. it consumes almost nothing. 2% cpu and 0.2% mem.
16:50.47arghxno_gravity: aren't you not supposed to run scripts? are these scripts long in duration, what do they do?
16:51.25abrotmanno_gravity: is it segfaulting ?
16:51.27kkulhavywonders what else coould kill a script except OOM
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16:51.34abrotmanlots of things
16:51.50kkulhavyno_gravity, machine has sound hardware, no memory or CPU errors, and the filesystem is not 100% full?
16:51.51no_gravityarghx: its doing a lot of wget calls. but it runs fine 50% of the time. and sometimes it gets killed after just a second.
16:51.57no_gravityabrotman: how do i know?
16:52.08abrotmanno_gravity: and you don't get any logs?
16:52.20no_gravitykkulhavy: yes, i think so. its a hetzner server. i hate hetzner more and more :)
16:52.21OldParrabrotman: i disconnected by mistake wayuu@sinamaica:~$ uname -r ------------> 2.6.32-5-686
16:52.24no_gravityabrotman: whicht logs?
16:52.26arghx"kiiled" means some other process ran a SIGKILl on this script process, no?
16:52.37ew0xno_gravity: VPS server ?
16:52.55no_gravityew0x: no, a managed hosting server. a dedicated machine, but i dont have root access.
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16:53.17ew0xno_gravity: I'd go like abrotman I guess. Get the logs.
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16:53.34no_gravityew0x: which ones?
16:53.35abrotmanarghx: not sure it means strictly that SIG
16:53.47abrotmanno_gravity: in /var/log/
16:53.52ew0xno_gravity: syslog is a good start
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16:54.32ew0xno_gravity: kern.log as second choice
16:54.43no_gravityew0x: i cannot read /var/log/syslog. how about dmesg?
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16:54.58tharkunps aux to analyze the invoking tree is also a good way of spotting the killer.
16:55.02abrotmanno_gravity: why can't you read it ?
16:55.11ew0xno_gravity: ask your sysadmin of choice which has root access ?
16:55.31no_gravityabrotman: permission denied. i dont have a root account.
16:55.33abrotmanmaybe his admin is killing his script too ?
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16:55.40abrotmanor maybe it's process accounting ?
16:55.46ew0xmost probably accounting
16:55.55no_gravityew0x: its a "managed" server. which means you dont get root.
16:55.57abrotmanno_gravity: is this a Uni machine ?
16:56.01OldParrmy general electric webcam is not recognized by the system --------->  uname -r ---> 2.6.32-5-686
16:56.08ew0xno_gravity: doh, who goes for managed servers :-/
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16:56.23no_gravityabrotman: no, a hetzner managed server.
16:56.38abrotmanOldParr: someone asked you to paste the output of 'lsusb'
16:56.43no_gravityew0x: they have big advantages if the company who runs them is competent. in this case, thats not the case.
16:57.05acuOldParr: how do you know is not recognized ?
16:57.08ew0xno_gravity: that's not the case, you just have a script getting killed, and obviously no easy way to know why.
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16:57.30OldParracu: cheese does not find any device
16:57.38no_gravityew0x: hetzner sucks for multiple reasons.
16:57.51no_gravityew0x: so i give up on finding out who killed the process.
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16:58.09ew0xno_gravity: I have several non-managed boxes there, I strongly doubt 'hetzner sucks'
16:58.20brahWoah
16:58.23brahWhat happened to Eye of GNOME
16:58.28acuhave you installed v4l2 ?
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16:58.34no_gravityew0x: you read about the recent discovery of unbelievable security flawas at hetzner?
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16:59.09ew0xno_gravity: security flaws are always unbelievable, otherwise that's not flaws, but that's another story.
16:59.12OldParrabrotman:  lsusb -->  http://paste.debian.net/139475/
16:59.17acuOldPar: have you installed V4L2 ? - what is lsusb telling you - brand name, etc, did you check for compatibility ?
16:59.25abrotmani didn't ask for it OldParr  .. i think Kamping_Kaiser did
16:59.27ew0xno_gravity: this server is managed, we can't help any further without root access
16:59.54ew0xno_gravity: you could ask hetzner to investigate it, but I'll guess you'll have to pay for it
16:59.54OldParrKamping_Kaiser: http://paste.debian.net/139475/
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17:00.28no_gravityew0x: and if you use their apache/fastcgi setup, check your logs for unexplainable 500/503 error codes. there is one in about 20000 requests. and they dont know why. some fuckup in their fastcgi setup.
17:00.45acuOldPar: most probably  - you did not connect right (physically is not properly in the connector), or your webcam is dead
17:01.06OldParracu: webcam is fine in windows
17:01.08no_gravityew0x: im moving everything away from hetzner that i can. i run systems on most german hosting providers and hetzner is the worst.
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17:01.16abrotmanacu: or his kernel doesn't support it? ?
17:01.23ew0xno_gravity: that's another debate, still. What does 'ulimit -a' say, when ran as the user the script runs as ?
17:01.23OldParracu: is totally correctly connected
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17:02.00OldParrmi kernel is 2.6.32-5-686
17:02.17jhutchins_lt!webcam
17:02.17dpkgFor webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>.  See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam
17:02.17no_gravityew0x: http://codepad.org/t0MhU1TM
17:02.21OldParrit has the led turned on
17:02.27acuOldParr: you are out of lack
17:02.45jhutchins_ltacu: If you don't know any answers feel free to keep quiet.
17:02.52acubuy logitech
17:03.37arghxOldParr: have you given the USB ID yet?
17:03.43no_gravityew0x: oh, and while talking about hetzner - i dont know how many servers you have there but if you have multiple it would be unusual if never one of your harddisks died. hds at hetzner die all the time. its unbelievabel. everyone i know had harddisks dying at hetzner.
17:03.46ew0xno_gravity: Can we have the script source or is it "private" ?
17:03.52acujhutchins_lt: you do not need to be agressive about anything - I have installed around 50 webcams - if is not seen in the latest kernel then it is a problem
17:04.13acuit is not even recognized when you lsusb what do you do ?
17:04.15ew0xno_gravity: I'm no hetzner-fanboy, I'm not interested in that ;)
17:04.18no_gravityew0x: its private. but if you want i can make a test script thats doing nothing private.
17:04.18OldParrarghx: how do i do that?
17:04.34arghxOldParr: you've been told
17:04.51jhutchins_lt,kernels
17:04.53juddAvailable kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
17:04.59OldParrarghx: i disconnected by mistake i losted that help
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17:05.10sinapsihi
17:05.17jhutchins_ltOldParr: There's probably a more logical approach, but you could try the kernel from backports as a shot in the dark.
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17:05.23ew0xno_gravity: if only *this* script fails a test script is not reproducing the issue
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17:05.48no_gravityew0x: i would make a testscript and see if it gets killed of course
17:05.49OldParr"try the kernel from backports"   ?
17:05.52sinapsii have a ati mobility radeon x1600, the accelleration doesn't work with debian 6.0
17:05.54arghxOldParr: so what does lsusb say?
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17:06.08arghxsinapsi: have you installed the non-free firmware for it?
17:06.09OldParrhttp://paste.debian.net/139475/
17:06.42abrotmanarghx: non-free driveres?
17:06.55OldParri think is the one that says microphone
17:06.59jhutchins_ltOldParr: Does dmesg show anything when you disconnect then reconnect it?
17:07.05ew0xno_gravity: You can try, yes, if it fails with the same message somehow, that _could_ help
17:07.08OldParrbecause the cam has microphone
17:07.17arghxabrotman: ati only supports radeon HD2xxx upwards or so
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17:07.34arghxand anything below 5xxx or so is supported by the opensource radeon
17:07.53brahIf a package is there on unstable, it's because somebody allowed it, right?
17:07.58arghxOldParr: which brand/model is this webcam?
17:08.01jhutchins_ltOldParr: It would help if you could figure out what chipset that camera uses, or possibly who makes it for GE.
17:08.05brahIt just couldn't have been forgotten and ended up on unstable, or something, no?
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17:08.15arghxbrah: it's cause a debian developer uploaded it or approved a maintainer upload
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17:08.16OldParrwhen i disconnect it the line of "micriphone" desappears
17:08.32brahAnd if it's on testing, it's at least expected to install, I assume.
17:08.53abrotmanarghx: you said firmware .. not drivers
17:08.58OldParrdisconnected http://paste.debian.net/139479/
17:09.01brahI've never ever in the history of Debian have gotten the zoneminder package to work.
17:09.04sinapsiarghx: my video card isn't supported more from the non-free drivers
17:09.16arghx!gspca
17:09.16dpkgThe GSPCA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams, based on several USB bridge and image sensor chipsets.  Included in Linux since version 2.6.27.  To install this driver on Debian Lenny/5.0 systems: "aptitude install gspca-modules-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` && modprobe gspca".  Supported devices: http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/video4linux/gspca.txt .  See also <uvcvideo>, <webcam>.
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17:09.34arghxOldParr: this should be the driver for your webcam
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17:10.10arghxOldParr: module gspca_sonixj
17:10.12abrotmansinapsi: then you'd use the radeon driver .. and that should be enough
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17:10.29arghxsinapsi: it is supported by the free drivers but not by the proprietary ones
17:10.35ew0xno_gravity: any success on the test script ?
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17:10.53lord_robnon-free drivers suck as they don't follow the evolution of Linux (no Stallman talking here)
17:11.11abrotmanlord_rob: they suck for a lot more reasons than that
17:11.18arghxlord_rob: it's simply a choice of lesser evil. all drivers suck. it's sofware, it always sucks
17:11.22sinapsiarghx: i think it's like you sayed, but the acceleration doesn't work
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17:11.28jhutchins_ltOldParr: The module has been available since 2007, so it should be supported.
17:11.40abrotmanmaybe we should all support Intel" for our video needs :)
17:11.53arghxsinapsi: what drivers do you currently use and what is the output of glxinfo?
17:12.09lord_robintel sucks too, maybe a bit less
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17:12.47arghxabrotman: so you are enjoying your GMA500 then? great!
17:13.05OldParrarghx:   not found -------> http://paste.debian.net/139481/
17:13.20abrotmanarghx: i forget which is in my laptop .. but, yes .. very much .. better than fighting with amd/ati/nvidia
17:13.37lord_robI keep geting X crashes thanks to intel drivers and kde
17:13.37sinapsiarghx: http://paste.debian.net/139482/
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17:14.04arghxabrotman: it was a trick question. there is no driver for GMA500 and never will be
17:14.15jhutchins_ltsuspects lord_rob is not running stable.
17:14.21arghxsinapsi: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:14.32abrotmanarghx: might be 400?  as long as it works without screwing with all that stuff .. works for me
17:14.36arghxjhutchins_lt: maybe he runs a sandy bridge CPU?
17:14.52arghxabrotman: if it's a core2 you have it will probably be a GMA 4500
17:15.02abrotmanyay thinkpad
17:15.08lord_robjhutchins_lt: no but I wasn't asking for support
17:15.12abrotmanthe little atom netbook has intel video also
17:15.21abrotmanlord_rob: was it a 9xx on lenny?
17:15.25OldParrroot@sinamaica:~# aptitude search gspca_sonixj
17:15.25OldParrroot@sinamaica:~#
17:15.36sinapsiarghx: http://paste.debian.net/139483/
17:15.51arghxOldParr: a "module" is not a debian package. please read the gspca factoid again. /msg dpkg gspca
17:16.05jhutchins_ltOldParr: It's bundled, try aptitude search gspca
17:16.06sinapsii have to close
17:16.17sinapsisorry
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17:16.30OldParrroot@sinamaica:~# aptitude search gspca
17:16.30OldParrroot@sinamaica:~#
17:17.09arghxOldParr: modprobe gspca_sonixj  it's a module
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17:17.37lord_robabrotman: I don't know actually, my Radeon in my PC is disabled ATM and I use the onboard intel chipset so ... And I don't know what ATI I have (cheap model tho)
17:18.18OldParrarghx: what do i must do with a modele , to install it?
17:18.30arghxOldParr: I just wrote above what to do.
17:18.33jhutchins_ltOldParr: You probably already have it: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca/gspca_sonixj.ko
17:18.56jhutchins_ltThe question is, why isn't automatically detected and loaded?
17:19.17tomlabirtHello guys! I need help. I have a POS terminal with a serial port touch screen. First of all i want to read data what the touch screen sends. It doesn't work. I installed windows, and tried to install the driver, but the software told me that:"Touch screen not found". I read the knowledge base, and found an article : http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=219&q1=Kiosk&q2=touch&uid=pos1R1003187&loc=en_US&cs=utf-8&lang=en wich says:
17:19.18tomlabirt"The limited IRQ resource allocation can cause a conflict between the parallel port and the Com5 used by the touch driver." After that i switched off the parallel port in BIOS and the problem was solved. But i want to use this on linux. I found the touch screen's serial port on /dev/ttyS0 based on the memory address and the IRQ number, but i cannot read from this port with this command: cat /dev/ttyS0. Some properties are here : http://
17:19.18tomlabirtpastebin.com/1AZXeUAH
17:19.40OldParrjhutchins_lt: i have /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca/gspca_sonixj.ko  on my system
17:20.49jhutchins_lttomlabirt: By default, the higher com ports are not enabled in a default linux install.
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17:22.24jhutchins_lttomlabirt: iirc you may have to recompile with the option to enable more than 4 ports.
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17:23.43tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, and how can I do that?
17:24.00jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Is this a 4140?
17:24.18tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, the terminal?
17:24.23jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Might be somehting here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html
17:24.28OldParr<PROTECTED>
17:24.32OldParr?
17:24.57jhutchins_ltOldParr: Your problem?  Not sure, I don't know why it's not detecting.  Read the links on the gspca stuff.
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17:26.23no_gravityew0x: i noticed that the script only gets killed when i sync before. strange.
17:26.46jhutchins_lttomlabirt: It looks like multiport is enabled, how many ttyS? are there in /dev?
17:27.07tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, four
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17:27.40MegafMandrivahi all, I just installed Debian here on a QEMU ARM emulated machine with the following command
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17:28.01tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, Somewhere i read that the IRQ 15  is reserved in linux
17:28.11MegafMandrivahowever, it did not install any boot manager, and I do have to tell qemu what kernel image to boot
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17:28.22MegafMandrivanow, how can I boot it?
17:28.25OldParrjhutchins_lt: my cam is not on the GSPCA supported deveces list
17:28.31MegafMandrivafrom the installed guest
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17:29.11jhutchins_lttomlabirt: iirc the IBM database does tell you what you need to do.
17:29.24arghxOldParr: http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/video4linux/gspca.txt says it is. look for teh USB ID
17:29.32jhutchins_lttomlabirt: please pastebin dmesg | grep tty
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17:29.58jhutchins_lttomlabirt: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/find-out-linux-serial-ports-with-setserial/
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17:30.24silidanHEEEELP! i did a update in debian sid and now i have a strange and fucking useless desktop environment
17:30.34silidani think its gnome 3
17:30.55silidanhow can i get back my gnome 2 desktop?
17:31.03tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/Bhg21mrv
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17:31.31arghxsilidan: you can't. enjoy your time in sid
17:31.36jhutchins_lttomlabirt: If you can get the right device file you can see the data by just doing cat /dev/ttyS?
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17:31.50silidanarghx: ok then bye bye to gnome and hello xfce
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17:32.28silidanis there a channel to shout at the gnome ppl for this gnome 3 fuckshit?
17:32.30orudiecan runlevels  be refereed to as the order in which services start when Linux boots ?
17:32.49OldParrarghx: yes i found the usb id on that list but maybe the system is confused and it is not the thevice because the cam is general electric and there it says microdia
17:32.53jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Which model POS is it?
17:32.54arghxorudie: refereed=
17:32.56arghx?
17:33.17tomlabirtjhutchins, Net Vista 4835-120
17:33.37orudiearghx, referred = generally speaking
17:33.39arghxOldParr: general electric doesn't design webcam chips. microdia does. general electric doesn't even build any webcams. they buy some and put their label on them
17:33.43KaffeeJunky123silidan: there should be a fallback desktop for gnome3
17:34.00themillsilidan: /dev/null is the appropriate place for ranting.
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17:34.01KaffeeJunky123silidan: if it's already installed you can select it at the logon screen
17:34.20KaffeeJunky123rant >> /dev/null
17:34.24OldParrarghx: ok
17:34.30arghx!tell orudie about runlevels
17:34.31boudiccassilidan; please join #fuckshit for railing against the gnome 3 crap
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17:35.16OldParrarghx: that means driver is malfunctioning?
17:35.32jhutchins_lttomlabirt: let me dig around for a bit, I did this full time for two years a couple years ago.
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17:35.47arghxOldParr: we don't know. what did dmesg say?
17:36.09arghxOldParr: have you actualled loaded the module yet?
17:36.26boudiccaspolishes crystal ball to read OldParr dmesg
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17:37.23tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, one question : Why are there differencies between the results of this two command : http://pastebin.com/Fz0AiPfx
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17:37.44jhutchins_lttomlabirt: If you do setserial -g /dev/ttyS? do any of the returns look different?
17:38.05jhutchins_lttomlabirt: n'mind.
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17:38.46silidan1well im using xfce now... bye bye gnome maybe till next version... but probably not
17:38.58OldParrdmsg ----> http://paste.debian.net/139488/
17:39.18KaffeeJunky123silidan1: tried the fallback gnome desktop?
17:39.21tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, please use easy english i'm hungarian ;)
17:39.27boudiccassilidan1; may you be very happy together :)
17:39.35MSTRCNVSwhat's wrong with this xorg configuration? http://codepad.org/dCrvDnUW
17:39.39arghxOldParr: line 532 and 533
17:41.47arghxMSTRCNVS: what's wrong with your xorg? and why such a big config?
17:41.49OldParrarghx: what is the solution when  No supported image sensor detected for that bridge
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17:42.20arghxOldParr: I doubt there is one. you might ask the developers of gspca maybe?
17:42.43babilen!tell MSTRCNVS -about xorg.conf.d
17:42.48babilen!tell MSTRCNVS -about empty xorg.conf
17:42.53babilen!tell MSTRCNVS -about nvidia dkms
17:42.57OldParrarghx: if it is a bug then thanks for the help
17:43.18babilenMSTRCNVS: In particular the last factoid contains a working snippet for nvidia
17:43.38arghxOldParr: it's not a bug directly. it's just that the combination of controller chip and image sensor seems to be unsupported
17:43.42jhutchins_lttomlabirt: do you know how to add a kernel option to the boot command?
17:44.00tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, no :(
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17:44.37OldParrarghx: thanks
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17:46.14MSTRCNVSbabilen: I've downloaded my videocard driver from nvidia's website and installed it, this last snippet will "activate it"?
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17:46.30jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Hit e at boot, select the default menu option, hit e again.  Add 8250.nr_uarts=8 to the end of the line, hit escape, the b to boot.
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17:47.23babilenMSTRCNVS: Using nvidia's installer is neither supported by us nor recommended. The last factoid tells you how to install the nvidia driver "The Debian Way" -- For everyhting else you have to seek support in #nvidia
17:47.27tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, ok i try it
17:47.43jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Then look for additional ttySs.
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17:48.28MSTRCNVSHmm, but I was told that installing "The Debian Way" won't support all the graphic card features and accelerations and capacity, is this true?
17:48.59babilenMSTRCNVS: You can uninstall the nvidia installation with "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall" and use the dkms method. The nvidia installer has a bad reputation because it overwrites some glx related files (or used to, not sure) so YMMV
17:49.44babilenMSTRCNVS: You'll get the version that is in stable with all its goodies. If your card is supported by that I don't see a reason to use something else.
17:50.29babilenMSTRCNVS: If you want to use their driver ask in #nvidia for support
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17:51.30arghxbabilen: it is certain to say that nvidia.com doesn't care or support the alternatives method for glx debian provides
17:52.06babilenarghx: Indeed - and why should they?
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17:53.03arghxto make it work properly? professional pride it a job well done and playing well with the other kids?
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17:53.49unkmarI have a few issues to deal with.  Some can be dealt with in any one of several ways.
17:54.15acuhey guys - did anyone of you use IPv6 with your webservers ( I mean provider like Godaddy et al - provide dual stack DNS - so you can run IPv6?)
17:54.17jhutchins_lttomlabirt: http://corecashless.com <- offers a RedHat/CentOS based POS system.
17:54.46unkmarSound.  The headset port of front audio speaker port isn't Outputting. I have been unable to find an alsa setting that works.  Ironically it worked fine under lenny.
17:55.05silidan1yea i tried the fallback it does not satisfy me
17:55.16tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, i tried what you wrote but i have only 4 ttyS
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17:56.06jhutchins_lttomlabirt: I remember having this problem with some of the serial touchscreens, but I don't quite remember the solution.  It looks to me like the .32 kernel is already configured for the extra serial ports.
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17:57.27silidan1o by the way will debian adapt gnome 3 as standard desktop?
17:57.40jhutchins_lt,gnome3
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17:58.35jhutchins_lt!gnome3
17:58.35dpkgGNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment.  Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it.  See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details.  Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html
17:58.36unkmar/tmp. This is at least a 2 part problem.  My /tmp folder is filling up when playing a flash video.  and somehow X or gnome or compiz is Stuck on using that parition as /tmp.
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17:59.02jhutchins_lttomlabirt: I know it's buried somewhere in the IBM knowledgebase.
17:59.21babilensilidan1: Naturally Debian releases whatever upstream version is in testing when it is frozen.
17:59.30Zetasew0x, well i guess i have no choice but to re-install the ols
17:59.32Zetas*os
17:59.49unkmarI removed my /tmp entry in /etc/fstab since I know that my / partition is much larger.  I then encountered an error when X attempted to load.
17:59.51gary_goldenjhutchins_lt: it actually can be done using the apt.conf option: Apt::Default-Release "testing";
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18:00.10jhutchins_lttomlabirt: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pos1R1003656
18:00.23unkmarSo, it appears that choosing an alternate larger partition isn't directly viable.
18:00.41robokopis there a way to 'easily' apply internet traffic shaping for different processes running on my laptop?
18:00.46jhutchins_lttomlabirt: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/search.wss?rs=219&rt=1&nid=0&navkey=1ByProduct&r=40&path=Product+Group%3DPoint+of+Sale&q=SurePOS+500+linux
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18:02.49tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, i read the last one what you sent
18:02.52jhutchins_lttomlabirt: D'Oh!  ttyS4 is COM5!
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18:03.04jhutchins_lthttp://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Projects/POS/Hardware_Installation_Guide#Touch_screen_2
18:03.05unkmarfor the Sound. I have Intel 82801I
18:03.22tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, but i dont have ttyS4
18:03.37jhutchins_lt0123 - blast.
18:03.55igiturhi. i want to connect to a server without video output, that's running debian. I want to connect on the serial port (9pins). Do i have to use a null modem cable or normal serial cable?
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18:04.22unkmarMy largest problem might be that I'm not sure where to turn in order to resolve these issues.
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18:05.52jhutchins_lttomlabirt: We need to get that option successfully passed to the kernel so it will detect the additional uarts.
18:05.54unkmarJust as I had stated prior to attempting the upgrade.  I have indeed spent over 2 days trying to recover my system into a reasonably usable state.
18:06.34thewanderer1igitur, you need to use a null modem cable if you're connecting 2 computers together. also, NOT EVERY cable labelled as "null modem" is actually a cross-over cable used for connecting computers. I bought a "null modem" cable and had to cross it myself... :S
18:06.36jhutchins_lttomlabirt: 8250.nr_uarts=6 is all you really need, but it should then pick up the additional ports.
18:07.10tomlabirti dont have /boot/grub/menu.lst
18:07.20tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, i dont have /boot/grub/menu.lst
18:07.30unkmarI guess my most pressing issue is the Flash. dumping into /tmp and filling it up.  The short solution is to NOT use flash.  Clearly that is an unreasonable solution.
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18:07.51jhutchins_lttomlabirt: No, you have grub2, you change /etc/default/grub
18:07.53igiturthanks, thewanderer1, good to know i must watch out for that :). should a standard grub2 installation automatically accept serial port connections?
18:07.56jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Then update-grub
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18:08.43thewanderer1igitur, no, I think you need to configure it specifically to do that
18:08.57jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Try just nr_uarts=6 instead of 8250.nr_uarts=6
18:09.16tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, and i have to put to the end of this file
18:09.17igiturthewanderer1: shot, thanks
18:09.17thewanderer1as well as the Linux kernel by appending a console=ttyS0,9600n8 or something like that, I don't remember the format
18:10.05jhutchins_ltthewanderer1: What's the syntax for adding a boot option to grub2?
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18:10.36jhutchins_ltAh, here it is.
18:10.42thewanderer1jhutchins_lt, you mean like appending a kernel command line argument? one is supposed to edit /etc/default/grub ...
18:10.58tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, update.
18:10.58jhutchins_lttomlabirt: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="8250.nr_uarts=8"  - look for an existing GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub
18:11.18tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, sorry
18:11.22tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, ok
18:11.43jhutchins_lttomlabirt: By default it's set to 4, so it won't see ttyS4 & ttyS5
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18:12.59jhutchins_lttomlabirt: If you successfully override that they should show up.  I would try doing it at boot time first to see what works, then permanently changing the grub config.
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18:13.11unkmaryet another sound problem is "pc beep"  It is going through the PCM settings at and not independantly volume controllable.  I can mute it or have full blast.  Currently it is muted.
18:13.32nardevcan someone suggest me good alternative to istanbul or camatasia?
18:13.40tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, I found : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
18:13.57tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, here should i paste?
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18:14.02jhutchins_ltThat will be where you make the permanent change, followed by running update-grub
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18:16.37tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, when done, reboot?
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18:16.50jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Yes.
18:18.56mrtn_I would like to configured SSH server to cancel a connection if client has been unreachable for more than 10s. I added "ClientAliveInterval 10" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and restarted sshd, but for some reason it doesn't work. Any ideas?
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18:19.43unkmarJust great.  Now my iceweasel has decided to just HANG itself
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18:21.16MSTRCNVShow do I know if my videocard is supported by the nvidia graphics card "Debian Way" installation?
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18:23.07tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, It seems better, i have now 8 ports, and the ttyS4 is the port what i want to use, but there is input/output error again when i try to read with cat /dev/ttyS4
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18:24.30jhutchins_lttomlabirt: See what setserial says about it.
18:24.40jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Did you set it to 8 or 6?
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18:24.57tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, i set it to 8
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18:25.18jhutchins_lttomlabirt: You only need 6.   Did the one without "8250" in it work?
18:25.24delarge[A
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18:26.10tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, i wrote the 8250
18:26.31jhutchins_ltso 8260.nr_uarts=8 right?
18:26.39tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, yes
18:27.16jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Does setserial -g /dev/ttyS? show a UART for 0-5 now?
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18:28.54tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, Yes, http://pastebin.com/gabxG0j0
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18:30.03MSTRCNVSI installed my nvidia gpu by the debian way, I need to setup xorg.conf? or the driver will be auto detected?
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18:30.49babilenMSTRCNVS: The "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" contains a snippet that will create a suitable configuration file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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18:32.02tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, be right back in 5 minutes
18:32.08MSTRCNVSin the wiki, there's an alternative that says me to create an xorg.conf with the content http://codepad.org/nOrsosxd and this will be enough
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18:33.02MSTRCNVSbabilen: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries
18:33.19babilen!nvidia dkms
18:33.35babilenkicks dpkg
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18:35.06babilenMSTRCNVS: No, that is not what I was talking about. I've send you a couple of factoids earlier. The last one contained a one-liner to install and configure nvidia driver. The wiki is (IMHO) a little bit of a mess.
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18:35.39dpkgFor Squeeze users.  Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.  "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf".  Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.  For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
18:36.04MSTRCNVSI have just followed this article instructions, I'm now in the step to configure the X server ._.
18:36.25DarsVaedahi, I just switched from ubuntu 11.10 to debian squeeze, runs good so far but I have some problems with playing flash video, they stutter, wasn't the case on ubuntu...what could I do?
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18:40.23thewanderer1DarsVaeda, launch minitube, a native YouTube movie player - it will recode videos into a friendly format and prevent any image freezes
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18:41.23tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, re
18:41.26DarsVaedathose are not only youtube videos can it handle different url?
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18:43.12jhutchins_lttomlabirt: So now you need to work through the rest of those linux tips from IBM.  Determine whether you need the mutocuh or elotouch xorg module.
18:44.07jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Download http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pos1R1002329&aid=1 and read the script it contains - DO NOT just run the script, look at the individual sections and what they do, try each step manually.
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18:49.58tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, is it problem that i have no desktop environment installed, only xorg
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18:51.08jhutchins_ltMake sure you enable "zapping" with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace then
18:51.26jhutchins_ltWe used a very stripped and locked down gnome.
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18:54.24tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, sorry i dont understand this
18:54.56tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace made nothing
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18:55.49jhutchins_lttomlabirt: That is the command to abort a raw X session.
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18:56.20jhutchins_lttomlabirt: I don't remember if it's enabled or disabled in squeeze.
18:56.53tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, is it good if i shut down the x server?
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18:58.49jhutchins_lttomlabirt: You will need the x server to interpret the touchscreen.
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19:00.28tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, there is a comment # mark in the line what configures the touch screen : #/bin/stty -F /dev/ttyS4 raw
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19:01.17MSTRCNVS!msg dpkg dkms
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19:02.17jhutchins_lttomlabirt: I think it defaults to raw anyway.
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19:02.52jhutchins_ltMSTRCNVS: /msg
19:02.54tomlabirtwhen i run this command i get input/output error again
19:03.03tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, when i run this command i get input/output error again
19:03.19MSTRCNVSbabilen: can you send me that query about configuring X to nvidia's driver again?
19:03.39jhutchins_lttomlabirt: Pastebin the command and full output.
19:03.46babilen!tell MSTRCNVS -about nvidia dkms
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19:04.54tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/khR4r52Y
19:06.33MSTRCNVSbabilen: I followed that wiki article installing kernel module and nvidia-glx, now how I can configure X to use nvidia driver? I tried the way that is in that article and X returns an error: FATAL no screens found, sorry to bother you this much
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19:12.48luigi_vMSTRCNVS, i might be able to help you, I'm currently playing with nvidia drivers trying to config a multi-head in gnome3 :-S
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19:14.59arghxMSTRCNVS1: pastebin your xorg.conf content and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log  that "no screens found" message doesn't tell us anything, the real error was before that
19:15.23arghxMSTRCNVS1: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms  to see what needs to go into xorg.conf
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19:17.40ne7workWhen I compile my kernel.. how can I check the kernel configuration is correct how I edit?
19:17.56rrrreimerI get this error "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0B11B6FC31DCA794"
19:18.05ne7workHow can I check all is correct?
19:18.07rrrreimerwhen I try to update via aptitude
19:18.35rrrreimerI don't know where to find the public key and I don't know how to fix it if I had it
19:18.58rrrreimerI tried to change the repository but it's still trying to update from the old repository
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19:19.30rrrreimerdoes somebody have an advice for this?
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19:22.34unkmarHow do I get my audio to play through the front header?  My every attempt with alsamixer has failed.  It worked in Lenny.  Why not squeeze?
19:23.00ne7workWhen I compile my kernel.. how can I check the kernel configuration is correct how I edit?
19:23.31ne7workI compiled my kernel already, but I want to check my kernel configuration?
19:23.36valdynne7work: a) ask someone who knows or b) try it
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19:23.58unkmar(ICH9 - 82801I),  How do I get my audio to play through the front header?  My every attempt with alsamixer has failed.  It worked in Lenny.  Why not squeeze?
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19:24.08valdyn!tell unkmar -about repeat
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19:26.52TTThi, I want to share my printer (Samsung SCX-4200) via Samba so that I could use it with windows (XP-32bit and 7-64bit). Should I go through LPR or CUPS? As far as I understand CUPS needs custom drivers for windows, which don't run on 64 bit windows?
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19:27.26valdynTTT: why via samba?
19:27.37TTTvaldyn, hmm, via what else?
19:27.38valdynTTT: windows can print straight to cups
19:27.47TTTI didn't know that
19:27.55TTTgoes RTFM
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19:27.58arghxTTT: windows has support for IPP as a client since win2k
19:28.15arghxTTT: all you should need to do is making cups listen on port 631 in your LAN
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19:28.53valdynTTT: the advantage of samba is that it could offer drivers for download, but thats probably not important
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19:29.43TTTthanks guys, I'll try to get it working. I didn't know windows can do native CUPS
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19:32.14tomlabirtjhutchins,  http://pastebin.com/khR4r52Y have you any other idea ?
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19:40.38TTTvaldyn, arghx hmm, I think I got cups going, thanks. BTW, that printer also has a scanner. Is there any way to share that? It probably doesn't go through CUPS or other printer related channels
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19:41.30TTTSANE?
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19:43.03valdynTTT: i dont know about scanners
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19:44.58ixeousi have seen 2 methods of ensuring eth mappings across reboot.  one uses udev configuration files and the other uses ifrename.  which is the "blessed" method or is it some other method?
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19:46.29n-iCeabrotman: we have a problem
19:47.12n-iCeafter I rebooted and told you that everything worked fine, today I just noticed a problem(did not turn on the laptop since then) the bluetooth and wireless switch light does not turn on, and the bluetooth icon in the laptop shows is disable
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19:48.10ixeousdoes anyone have a suggestion as to which method is best?
19:48.27abrotmann-iCe: hit your button
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19:48.38n-iCeis enabled abrotman if it was not the wifi goes off
19:48.40abrotmanixeous: i'd vote udev
19:48.43themillixeous: udev comes installed by default and ifrename does not. Does that help?
19:48.45valdynixeous: the default is best
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19:48.53abrotmann-iCe: turn it off/on
19:49.11ixeousok.  thanks
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19:51.03abrotman!rfkill
19:51.03dpkg/dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31.  It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX).  The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is packaged since Squeeze.  http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/rfkill
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19:51.30n-iCeabrotman: I did, same
19:51.38n-iCeis in on and the light does not turn on
19:52.34abrotmansee above
19:52.46abrotmanwin 1
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19:53.29n-iCeok
19:53.31Zetasew0x, son of a bitch, the file i was looking for is present on a fresh install... how crazy
19:53.51jhutchinstomlabirt: Download the diagnostic disketts and verify that everything's actually working.
19:54.30thewanderer1guys, does "ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133" look good for a SATA2 disk in dmesg?
19:55.23arghxthewanderer1: yes. does it talk about ahci, does hdparm show the speed you expect?
19:55.33n-iCedamn
19:55.38n-iCemy cam does not work either abrotman
19:55.40n-iCe:/
19:56.38valdynthewanderer1: you can have sata 1 or 2 or 3 speeds, that udma/133 is just redundant
19:56.39tomlabirtjhutchins, i don't have any diskette drive, in the other hand the file is exe what i can download and i dont have any windows :S
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19:57.06arghxTTT: look for "SANE for windows" or "SANE TWAIN". there was a project which allowed the scanner to be shared. you might have to compile it yourself
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19:57.56arghxtomlabirt: you have dosbox and you have wine. use either
19:58.04TTTarghx, right, I'll look into it. Thanks
19:58.18n-iCeand abrotman and about rfkill block all I am in root and says that i do not have permissions
19:58.20n-iCe:/
19:58.44abrotmansounds like a module isn't loaded .. look through /var/log/dmesg for errors
19:59.01tomlabirtjhutchins, previously i installed windows to this computer and the touch worked fine, and in the BIOS i can use it also
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19:59.08n-iCeyou know I suck for errors, letm e check
19:59.23thewanderer1arghx, hdparm shows shit speeds on RAID
19:59.43arghxthewanderer1: since when would hdparm work on a raid? it works on a disk.
20:00.04valdynarghx: it even works on files, to some extent
20:00.14valdyn( or i should say to some very small extent )
20:00.14arghxvaldyn: the -tT options?
20:00.21valdynarghx: yea
20:00.37arghxwonders what the interface benchmark on a file uses...
20:00.54valdynthewanderer1: is it faster using O_DIRECT ?
20:01.45unkmar(ICH9 - 82801I),  How do I get my audio to play through the front header?  My every attempt with alsamixer has failed.  It worked in Lenny.  Why not squeeze?
20:01.58valdynthewanderer1: fairly easy to have a raid5 where hdparm wont get full hw speed
20:02.05valdynthewanderer1: unless you use O_DIRECT
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20:02.42unkmar/tmp fills up when using Flash in my browser. How might I redirect Flash to use an alternate directory?
20:02.49n-iCeabrotman: http://pastebin.com/sZj1aLbK no errors in the led, indeed says like it was detected and enabled, and nothing about the cam, could not find it in lspci or lsusb
20:03.08valdynunkmar: why dont you fix your /tmp size?
20:03.19thewanderer1arghx, valdyn: I'll try O_DIRECT as soon as I find it in the manpage :P
20:03.36valdynthewanderer1: --direct
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20:04.22unkmarI don't want to be down for hours while my /home shrinks/resizes so i can grow /tmp
20:04.28thewanderer1valdyn, ok, the performance is noticeably higher, but still never exceeds 100MB/s for RAID1 and RAID6... funny
20:04.48valdynthewanderer1: well, raid1.. your disks are how fast?
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20:05.23valdynthewanderer1: raid1 uses only one disk for reads
20:05.32valdynthewanderer1: the cap would be the speed of that disk
20:05.41thewanderer1valdyn, which one? :P
20:05.47valdynthewanderer1: random
20:05.51thewanderer1got 2 x 7200 and 2 x 5400 disks here...
20:06.11valdynthewanderer1: uh? in one raid1?
20:06.16thewanderer1errr yes?
20:06.19thewanderer1let me check
20:06.22jelly-homeon the other hand, two simultaneous read threads get a disk each
20:06.27valdynthewanderer1: thats not a good idea
20:06.27mrtn_I executed "nohup tail -f /var/log/messages" and the parent bash shell for this command died so I'm left with "root     24326     1  0 22:53 ?        00:00:00 tail -f /var/log/messages". As you can see, this tail command is working directly under init. How to associate it with some terminal?
20:06.37valdynthewanderer1: writes will be as fast as the slowest disk
20:06.41thewanderer1valdyn, yes, definitely in one RAID
20:07.01valdynthewanderer1: i dont get it, you have 4 disks in one raid1 ?
20:07.06jelly-homethewanderer1: are you saying you have (or had) a 4-way raid1?
20:07.24thewanderer1valdyn, jelly-home: GRUB was very unhappy with /boot on RAID6
20:07.37jelly-homethewanderer1: oh, for /boot
20:07.48thewanderer1yes
20:07.50n-iCeyup, nothing about abrotman
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20:07.58jelly-homewell you can read that one is a couple seconds
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20:08.21valdynthewanderer1: and a 4-disk raid6
20:08.26thewanderer1valdyn, is for expansion
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20:08.35valdynthewanderer1: this is bad
20:08.49thewanderer1I'm not setting up a RAID5. last time I did a RAID5->RAID6 migration, I hit a kernel bug and lost data...
20:09.14valdynthewanderer1: i could tell you about backups, but you probably know..
20:09.25thewanderer1valdyn, I do... already have a backup server since then :P
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20:09.42thewanderer1ok well, should I scrap this and set up RAID from scratch?
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20:10.15valdynthewanderer1: raid5 or 6 is ok for archives, but its shit for performance
20:11.08thewanderer1but then I can't afford restoring from backups in case a RAID0 were to fail
20:11.22thewanderer1takes too much time
20:11.25valdynthewanderer1: that doesnt explain why your hdparm is the slow, unless you have your system on the same raid and various seeks might be happening
20:11.41thewanderer1valdyn, well, the system is on this array, yes
20:11.57valdynthewanderer1: ok, maybe that explains that
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20:12.30valdynthewanderer1: on a modern system you want independent platters, not interdependent platters
20:12.49thewanderer1valdyn, could you clarify?
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20:13.22valdynthewanderer1: reading a stream is cheap, seeking is expensive
20:13.36thewanderer1yes, so what do you suggest?
20:13.49valdynthewanderer1: on a raid5 you you let 5 disks seek *per* single seek
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20:14.03valdynthewanderer1: err, not 5, as many disks as are raid members
20:14.07n-iCeabrotman: what do you recommend
20:14.31thewanderer1valdyn, so split the system and the data and the RAIDs?
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20:15.21valdynthewanderer1: split whatever usually happens in parallel to seperate platters
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20:16.54valdynthewanderer1: you can probably imagine that raid0 will be *slower* than raid1 for parallel reads
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20:17.04TabularModulatiocan anyone tell me how functional ceni is?
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20:17.24mfe_at_netmaif i do uname -p i get unknown.. who can i change the output to sparc?
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20:19.08thewanderer1valdyn, hmm nope?
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20:20.12thewanderer1valdyn, ah, right, the kernel thing where different threads get separate seeks... right!
20:20.30valdynthewanderer1: think about what the disk heads have to do...
20:20.51valdynthewanderer1: they seek alternating between stream 1 and 2
20:21.13thewanderer1valdyn, yeah, and on RAID1 the work would be split
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20:21.45thewanderer1hard to split the content between 4 disks really :P
20:21.50valdynthewanderer1: no seeks happen ( except where a new file or a fragmented file part is neede )
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20:22.39arghxand when one reads metadata, etc
20:22.49thewanderer1maybe I should just throw an SSD at mostly-read parts of the filesystem (OS) and leave the heavily-written areas (users' $HOME) on the RAID6
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20:23.37arghxhmmm... just read about harddisk prices doubling. maybe you should resell your disks and make a killing?
20:23.52archmanis there a way to get back the default configuration of a wanted package?
20:24.15archmannamely, i want to reset all apache2 configuration
20:24.17arghxyou could purge the package with dpkg and reinstall it
20:24.25archmanwithout reinstalling!
20:24.33valdynarghx: remove the configuration and reinstall that package
20:24.37valdyn!confmiss
20:24.37dpkgYou have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details).  If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
20:24.39valdynarghx: ^^
20:24.51thewanderer1ok, any straightforward way to convert the RAID6 back into a RAID1+0?
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20:26.32thewanderer1cause it looks like the RAID6 is going to still suck for 4 disks :P
20:26.58thewanderer1or just anything that I can do to make random reads / writes saner
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20:29.24mfe_at_netmaif i compile php i get "configure: error: can not guess host type; you must specify one
20:29.25mfe_at_netma" i compile with  ./configure --build='sparc-linux' --with-pgsql='/usr/local/pgsql/' does anyone got a idea?
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20:30.09abrotmann-iCe: waiting til i get home from work .. then i can talk more .. that's all i can recommend at this point .. or ask other people here
20:30.17dimadimai'm running etch and have stupidly locked myself out of root; no physical access to the machine -- can anyone recommend a good local root exploit to try on thebox?
20:30.41mfe_at_netmalol dimadima
20:30.49dimadimaforreal :D
20:30.51pipelinefor future reference
20:30.53pipelineset up remote access
20:30.55dimadima`$ chsh` mishap
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20:31.22pizza_bizno sudo?
20:31.49abrotmandpkg: tell dimadima about tracker of doom
20:31.53dimadima:(
20:31.55dimadimanope
20:31.58abrotmansee if you can find referenes to etch
20:32.33dimadimaabrotman: thank you, will check that out more. been checking it out a bit. but this box is bare on things. doesn't have gcc, for example (though i can compile elsewhere and scp)
20:33.45dimadimatried compiling this guy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953
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20:34.08dimadimabut having trouble compiling with `$ gcc exploit.c -o exploit` where exploit.c is the exploit in that bug report
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20:35.25arghxn-iCe: I'm curious, what hardware is this?
20:36.02abrotmanit has a kernel ...
20:36.11abrotmanarghx: good luck!
20:37.12Zetasanyone here have xen experience and can help explain why im unable to save and restore a squeeze domU running the upstream squeeze xen kernel but centos5's xen kernel works flawlessly?
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20:38.04arghxabrotman: his dmesg output shows a intel 5000 series wlan and a realtek 8187
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20:38.24arghxand he lacks firmware for the intel one
20:38.26abrotmannot what i meant ...
20:38.32abrotmanhe said he installed it ..
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20:39.12arghxhe might have, but not the version the wlan chip wants. "iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: Firmware has old API version. Expected v5, got v2. New firmware"
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20:42.38MSTRCNVSdpkg nvidia dkms
20:42.39dpkgFor Squeeze users.  Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.  "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf".  Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.  For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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20:43.06MSTRCNVSI'm doing exactly how it's told by dpkg /\
20:43.10jhutchins_ltWouldn't that indicate a mis-match between the iwlagn version and the firmware  version?
20:43.26MSTRCNVSBut when I add the 20-nvidia.conf archive my X system simply don't start
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20:44.15MSTRCNVSbabilen: when I add the 20-nvidia.conf to xorg.conf.d at /etc/X11 my X doesn't start
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20:45.13jhutchins_ltMSTRCNVS: Error message, xorg.0.log, does it work with xorg drivers...
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20:45.46starenkahi were is the info about default wm set (using kdm)?
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20:47.49arghx<PROTECTED>
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20:48.10arghxMSTRCNVS: paste both, xorg.conf and 20-nvidia.conf please
20:48.18ZesturianHey. I have apache2 running with selinux, when I set the context to "httpd_sys_rw_content_t" I still can't write to the file, any suggestions please? the error with that won't allow write or getattr
20:48.27MSTRCNVSI'm getting it, wait a little, it's in my laptop
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20:49.45MSTRCNVSarghx there's a way to paste while in recovery mode? Xorg.0.log is a little too big
20:49.56arghx!pastewithoutx
20:49.56dpkgInstall gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
20:50.21arghx!tell MSTRCNVS about nodm
20:50.37arghxI suggest you don't use a display manager until you fix your X11. makes it a lot easier for you
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20:53.27mfe_at_netmais there a file in which the machine platform is specified?
20:54.36arghxmfe_at_netma: /proc/cpuinfo ?
20:54.58mfe_at_netmaoh.. uname -p is processor... ok i check this :)
20:55.01delshi
20:55.20arghxmfe_at_netma: uname -m  gives you the hardware platform for example
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20:55.37mfe_at_netmai need to set the output of uname -p
20:55.41delsi am on a live system trying to install grub again since the system is not booting. trying to do a fullupgrade results in this error messages http://pastie.org/2752728
20:55.45arghxbut uname is not a file but a command you run. or you could check where uname gets its info. loot at the source
20:56.03delsmounted /sys, /dev, /proc and all other volumes properly
20:56.11delsand chrooted into the system
20:56.18delsany hints how to get this fixed?
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20:56.31mfe_at_netmai get on uname-p unknown
20:56.39arghxdels: run update-grub
20:56.52arghxmfe_at_netma: why do you need to set this?
20:56.55mfe_at_netmai have to change the output of uname -p from unknown to sparc
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20:57.15mfe_at_netmaon compiling i get configure: error: can not guess host type; you must specify one
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20:58.20arghxmfe_at_netma: configure --help |less
20:58.23delsarghx: results in Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub and fixes nothin
20:58.26jhutchins_ltmfe_at_netma: I get the same on an intel box.  You should probably look at the sparc specific documentation for the linux kernel before getting too far into this.
20:58.47jhutchins_ltmfe_at_netma: I think there's more to it than just changing a name string.
20:58.51jhutchins_lt!sparc
20:58.51dpkgSPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware.  Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris.  For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC .  To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc .  For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net.
20:59.25arghxdels: what errors does it give you?
20:59.26mfe_at_netmai ran in to this problem some years past i thought i solved it by editing a config file
20:59.33delsarghx: http://pastie.org/2752753
20:59.43MSTRCNVSarghx, my 20-nvidia.conf: http://paste.debian.net/139556/. And my Xorg.0.log last lines: http://paste.debian.net/139555/
20:59.47arghxmfe_at_netma: easier to fix your configure script than to change your kernel
20:59.59arghxMSTRCNVS: last lines don't cut it
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21:00.10MSTRCNVS!pastewithoutx
21:00.10dpkgInstall gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
21:00.21mfe_at_netmaarghx  ./configure --build='sparc-linux'  will not work
21:00.26arghxMSTRCNVS: which nvidia chip do you have?
21:00.38MSTRCNVSarghx: GeForce GT 540M Optimus
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21:01.44arghxMSTRCNVS: you need a backport of nvidia drivers from wheezy. and you need to either disable your optimus or set it properly with vgaswitcheroo
21:01.52arghx!tell MSTRCNVS about ssb
21:02.48MSTRCNVSarghx: I need to backport it, or I need a backport?
21:03.13arghxyou need a backport. and since there isn't one in the backports repo, you need to backport it yourself. it's not hard
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21:03.43delsarghx: any further hints?
21:03.43arghxMSTRCNVS: are you running squeeze and what hardware, cpu mainly, do you have?
21:04.00MSTRCNVSlet's see what I need, I need to add a deb-src for wheezy, compile the nvidia-kernel-dkms from there and use?
21:04.35MSTRCNVSarghx: i5 arch amd64
21:04.57arghxMSTRCNVS: please answer my question
21:05.20arghxdels: why do you run lenny again? purge the kernel and run update-grub again
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21:05.55MSTRCNVSarghx: I'm running squeeze, what do you want to know about my hardware?
21:06.18arghxMSTRCNVS: you need to add deb-src for non-free wheezy and get the source for nvidia-glx. get the kernel headers for your kernel and build-essential. then you build the package which will create several packages. these you all install
21:06.28arghxMSTRCNVS: I want to know your CPU
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21:07.13Safyarwhere downlad packet tracer 64 bit for debian
21:07.30Craigwd_2000Arghx: I believe he meant to say Intel Core i5...
21:07.35Zetasfigured out my problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644604 if only i could get a copy of that patched kernel...
21:07.42arghxSafyar: what is a "packet tracer"? if you mean a IP packet sniffer, get wireshark. it's in every debian repository
21:07.52arghxCraigwd_2000: and I asked him what CPU he uses
21:08.07MSTRCNVSarghx: intel i5 2410M, 6GB RAM DDR3 and the gpu you already know. is this what you want to know?
21:08.11Safyarcisco packet tracer
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21:08.44jhutchins_ltSafyar: If it's cisco you get it from cisco.
21:08.50arghxMSTRCNVS: ok, then you need to get a backport kernel and a backports xorg. those are both available from backports.org
21:08.54jhutchins_ltSafyar: You might want to look, at a package called wireshark though.
21:09.00arghxMSTRCNVS: all I wanted was the CPU
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21:09.46MSTRCNVSso I need to backport the kernel, the xorg and the nvidia-glx from wheezy, do I need to backport nvidia-kernel-dkms too?
21:09.56arghxMSTRCNVS: I suggest you install both of those, then you also get a /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch hopefully which will help with your optimus
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21:10.09arghxMSTRCNVS: no you don't need to backport the kernel or xorg. please read what I typed
21:10.10mfe_at_netmaok i will be able to solve my issue with "Get newer versions of the config.guess and config.sub files and replace the ones coming with the PECL package with those newer ones. -> http://www.gnu.org/s/hello/manual/gette ... guess.html"
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21:10.30arghxmfe_at_netma: and if you backport nvidia-glx, you get the dkms and the rest automatically
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21:10.47arghxmfe_at_netma: sorry. bad tab
21:10.51arghxMSTRCNVS: the above was for you
21:10.52mfe_at_netma:)
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21:11.37unkmarI did NOT fix my ICH9 audio sound problem.  I have decided to ignore it.  I still have the /tmp problem. :(
21:11.45arghxMSTRCNVS: when squeeze was developed and frozen, your i5 24xxM cpu didn't exist yet, so squeeze can't support it directly and needs backports packages
21:11.52lotus-bladewhat is the easiest way to upgrade to testing?
21:12.01Craigwd_2000MSTRCNVS: If this is a laptop then maybe knowing the brand/make/model of laptop might help...  By Intel Core i5 2410M do you mean to say that's it's actually a Mobile version of the Core i5...?
21:12.04unkmarand as far as increasing my /tmp size.  I shouldn't have to.
21:12.07arghx!tell lotus-blade about squeeze->wheezy
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21:12.23MSTRCNVSarghx: so adding backports.debian.org to my repositories will get rid of the kernel and xorg things you told me?
21:12.32arghxlotus-blade: if you have to ask you really really should think twice about it. is there any special reason you need testing? maybe you can reach your goals another way?
21:12.50MSTRCNVSarghx: Samsung RF511-S03 BR
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21:12.59unkmarneed lots of memory and a large swap and large /tmp.  Come on.  share something somewhere.
21:13.06dimadimais there a good way to install a package as a non-root user?
21:13.10dimadimafor personal use
21:13.24arghxdimadima: unpack it into your ~
21:13.37dimadimaarghx: with dpkg?
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21:13.42arghxdimadima: that way you don't run the debconf scripts and you might have to configure it all manually
21:13.56arghxdimadima: yes with dpkg or with ar/tar
21:13.58AciD__hi
21:14.21arghxunkmar: mount /tmp wherever you want then
21:15.00AciD__I just reinstalled my server with new hardware. It's great, but the only problem is I can't use kdm nor gdm to log in X session (usb mouse is ok, but usb keyboard does nothing)
21:15.35AciD__I sshed into the server to install kdm (after it failed to work under gdm), but still no chance
21:15.37thewanderer1AciD__, server? KDM? GDM?
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21:16.02AciD__when I kill the x session, I can use the usb keayboard to login in a tty
21:16.15AciD__thewanderer1: it's a semi server/htpc box
21:17.02thewanderer1AciD__, that's Squeeze, right?
21:17.04AciD__anyway, I really don't get why my keyboard isn't working under X
21:17.06arghxAciD__: check your xorg log
21:17.07MSTRCNVSarghx:I just don't understood the kernel, xorg thing you told me
21:17.09AciD__thewanderer1: yes
21:17.14AciD__arghx: will do
21:17.37arghxMSTRCNVS: install a backports kernel and xorg from backports. it's an already compiled and made .deb package. do that and reboot
21:17.58arghxMSTRCNVS: then, and only then, create your own backport of the nvidia package
21:18.35Craigwd_2000MSTRCNVS: You need to add backports.debian.org to your /etc/apt/sources.list file...
21:19.25AciD__arghx: I do have those lines in /var/log/Xorg.0.log : "(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. (WW) Disabling Generic Keyboard (WW) Disabling Configured Mouse". Oddly, the usb mouse is working even though it's "not supposed to"
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21:20.13MSTRCNVSCraigwd_2000: I was suspecting from the beginning, but I couldn't understand by the way he told, thank you, haha
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21:20.51arghx!tell MSTRCNVS about backports
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21:21.30AciD__arghx: ..on the other hand I do have "(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "TypeMatrix.com USB Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)" too
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21:24.41DanDareHello. I Installed Squeeze but computer video card is TNT2. Trying to find out how to install drivers, reading that legacy 71xx drivers is no more in Squeeze. Anything I can try to install a propper video driver ?
21:25.04arghxDanDare: nouveau doesn't work?
21:25.27DanDarearghx, whats nouveau ?
21:26.03arghx!nouveau
21:26.03dpkgThe nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards.  Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10.  The nouveau display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes.  For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>.
21:26.25arghxDanDare: it's used by default in squeeze
21:26.26DanDaresounds cool I will try this, thanks
21:26.30DanDareAh
21:27.06arghxDanDare: it should be used by default. no action by you necessary
21:27.06DanDareOk, so it works.... but im having problems like icons and other elements wont show in screen... until i move the mouve over :/
21:27.13AciD__I did have an old xorg.conf dating from 2007, I removed it but still no luck with the keyboard
21:27.26DanDareI mean, it works but its kinda broken
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21:28.01DanDaremay I try debian-multimedia.org ?
21:28.10arghxdmm has no drivers
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21:29.06arghxDanDare: you could use the old "nv" driver. it still ships. but you'd need to use it explicitly via xorg.conf
21:29.07Craigwd_2000DanDare: Maybe you need to add free & non-free to your Squeeze sources.list line...
21:29.10arghx!nvidia dkms
21:29.10dpkgFor Squeeze users.  Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.  "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf".  Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.  For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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21:29.47arghxDanDare: see where the echo line creates a config file for the nvidia drivers? where it loads the "nvidia" driver there, you'd need to have "nv" instead
21:29.51Craigwd_2000replace free with contrib*
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21:30.01AciD__arghx: something is even more bizarre : when trying to use gdm, if I type on the keyboard, the cursor stops to blink for 2 seconds (but nothing is input), it looks a signal is sent
21:30.02MSTRCNVSarghx: I've added debian backports, but how to install a kernel from there?
21:30.05DanDareCraigwd_2000, did it already but here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Why_use_a_Debian-specific_method.3F they say that "The oldest drivers series, 71xx, is not in any current Debian suite (except unstable, but unusable). It is basically impossible to use the nvidia driver on cards no longer supported after 71xx on a current Debian suite. "
21:30.12arghxCraigwd_2000: how does this help? there is no nvidia 71.xx drivers anywhere
21:30.27arghxMSTRCNVS: read what dpkg told you
21:30.31DanDarearghx, I see... didnt checked the conf file
21:30.45babilen!tell MSTRCNVS about bdo kernel
21:31.05Craigwd_2000DanDare: I guess just try the nv driver then...
21:31.18DanDareyeah
21:31.48arghxDanDare: I think both kernel interfaces and Xorg interfaces has changed so much since nvidia.com created the 71.xx drivers that it cannot work anymore with current kernels. and only nvidia has the source to make it work, but they don't. you're supposed to buy a new GT520 dammit!
21:32.10DanDarearghx, lol :)
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21:32.55DanDarearghx, I dont need much of a graphical interface in the computer so just picked the oldest card
21:33.08DanDareBut I can try a Gforce4
21:33.20DanDareHmmm, will squeeze support Gforce4 ?
21:33.28DanDareOr 5 ?
21:33.35DanDareI think so ...
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21:33.48arghxyes it does. 96 will support it, so does nouveau
21:33.57Craigwd_2000DanDare: Do you need firmware for any of your hardware...?  If you attempt to run sudo apt-get update & then say sudo apt-get upgrade it may still complain about missing firmware if you have any exotic/proprietary hardware installed in your PC...
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21:34.24arghxnvidia cards don't have firmware you can install
21:34.30arghxonly at cards do in debian
21:35.01DanDareI cant remeber any *PROMS chip in their cards, yeah
21:35.16pizza_bizhm, that reminds me that my old box at home panics when i try to boot the squeeze kernel.  i know it's some nvidia related thing that's supposed to pretty up the console.  does that ring any bells?
21:35.35arghxpizza_biz: disable kms?
21:35.46Craigwd_2000Arghx: I'm referring more to video capture PCI cards & the like...
21:36.09acuHey guys if you go for expert install you have a choice between linux-image-2.6-amd64 or   ---- linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 - what is the difference between them
21:36.34dondelelcaroacu: the first is a meta package which installs the second, usually.
21:36.53DanDareThere arent any Xorg.conf or xorg.conf in the filesystem. Where is the xorg conf file ?
21:36.55dondelelcaroacu: if you install the first, you'll always have the newest 2.6 series kernel; if you install the second, you'll only get that version with that abi numer
21:37.02dondelelcaroDanDare: by default you don't need one
21:37.21acudondelelcaro
21:37.27DanDareand where do I check for the "nv" driver ?
21:37.29arghxDanDare: there is none anymore by default. not needed
21:37.37arghxDanDare: what you mean "check"?
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21:38.07DanDare"see where the echo line creates a config file for the nvidia drivers? where it loads the "nvidia" driver there, you'd need to have "nv" instead" <- How to do it ?
21:38.23arghxDanDare: if you create a config file like outlined above, you can specify a driver if you want to use a special one. otherwise, Xorg uses the one it thinks is best suited for your card. for nvidia cards this is always nouveau
21:38.24DanDareis confused
21:38.38lotus-bladeok I have a change log that comes up when upgrading.  how do I exit it whithout killing the upgrade or stopping it
21:38.42arghxDanDare: the echo line creates the file. have you looked at it?
21:38.51arghxlotus-blade: "q"?
21:38.58DanDareIm sorry I dont know what "echo line" is
21:39.08arghx!nvidia dkms
21:39.08dpkgFor Squeeze users.  Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.  "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf".  Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.  For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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21:39.19acudondeleldcaro: that was a 6.02 netinstall cd - first choice gave me a Red Commi screen some errors
21:39.22arghxread this factoid
21:39.58arghxacu: "Red Commi screen some errors"?
21:39.59lotus-bladeI forgot it was using vi.  ! worked
21:40.24arghxDanDare: see the line you are supposed to use starting with echo?
21:40.39pizza_bizarghx: that could be it, thanks. found the disable instructions, i'll give it a bounce when i get home and see if that fixes it.
21:40.55Craigwd_2000Acu: the -5 means it's the fifth Revision of the Debian core Kernel 2.6 package...  Which means that it ships with additional bug fixes & enhancements compare to say the Debian core Kernel 2.6 packages Revs. 1-4...
21:41.04arghxDanDare: and it says 'Driver "nvidia"' there. you want 'Driver "nv"' instead
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21:41.16DanDarearghx, should I try that entire command sequence ?
21:41.23Craigwd_2000compared*
21:41.26arghxDanDare: no. only the echo line as I told you
21:41.31DanDareOk
21:41.41Craigwd_2000compared with say*
21:41.51arghxDanDare: best pastebin the file it creates before your restart X, so we can check it
21:42.04Craigwd_2000Stupid auto-correct...
21:42.08DanDareAllright, so im going to create a fresh new xorg.conf, right ?
21:42.19lotus-blademy motherboard can hold 32 gigs of ram,  do I have to do anything special to make the kernel recognis all of it?
21:42.22arghxDanDare: sorta, yes
21:42.26DanDareok
21:42.30arghxDanDare: but it's not a xorg.conf. read the echo line!
21:43.01DanDareI see, its a xorg.conf.d directory with stuff in it
21:43.03arghx<PROTECTED>
21:43.07arghxyes
21:43.19arghxDanDare: and you mustn't have a xorg.conf
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21:43.48DanDareunderstand
21:43.54arghxthe command you want is:  echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nv"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nv.conf"
21:43.58arghxno nvidia but nv
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21:44.04Zetasdoes anyone know where the 2.6.32.28+ kernel.org kernels are? they used to be in the longterm directory but they are not there anymore.
21:44.05DanDareit just load stuff dinamically like apache2
21:44.10DanDare*or something
21:44.45arghxyes, and when there is no xorg.conf it guesses what is best and loads that driver. most times that works, but not always. especially not with laptops and optimus
21:45.08thewanderer1Zetas, they seem to be gone, but they should be there on Linus' github tree I think
21:45.11AciD__it's a different problem, but it seems that I need to use a amd64 version of squeeze (thou I though i86 was supposed to support 4GB of RAM : "Warning only 896MB will be used.Use a HIGHMEM64G enabled kernel. 896MB LOWMEM available." . Is there a quick way to convert a x86 system to a 64bits one ?
21:45.39arghxacu: which kernel do you use? you need a -686 kernel,not a -486
21:45.49arghxAciD__: ^^
21:46.13AciD__arghx: 2.6.26-2-486 indeed
21:46.28bluenemoAciD__, get a list of all installed packages, copy all home dirs and other config files, set up the 64bit system and copy the files over...
21:46.45Zetasthewanderer1, thanks for the tip :)
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21:47.21AciD__arghx: uname -a gives me :"2.6.26-2-486 #1 Sat Jun 11 14:47:34 UTC 2011 __i686__ GNU/Linux" though
21:47.40arghxAciD__: if you want a 64bit system you need to reinstall. you can use a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system but that has various pitfalls. doable but depending on circumstances a PITA
21:47.51arghxAciD__: why do you run lenny?
21:48.03AciD__I do ?
21:48.05AciD__:o
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21:48.09arghxAciD__: and you have a 486 kernel but run it on a 686
21:48.15arghxAciD__: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
21:48.16AciD__long time since I touched my etch debian server
21:48.18AciD__:)
21:48.32AciD__2.11.2-10
21:48.37arghx,versions libc6
21:48.39juddPackage: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21
21:48.56arghxyou didn't upgrade your kernel. I'd do it
21:49.14DanDarearghx, I just got "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nv.conf: No such file or directory" as result of the echo line. Maybe doing something wrong here ?
21:49.21arghxalso do a dist-upgrade just to make sure
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21:49.25AciD__arghx: I guess I need that one then : linux-image-686
21:49.36arghxAciD__: yes
21:49.51arghxDanDare: how should we know. we don't know what you typed.
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21:50.12babilenDanDare: Most likely you have to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory first.
21:50.22DanDarearghx, I typed "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nv"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nv.conf"
21:50.33DanDare*without the quotes
21:50.39DanDareallight
21:50.44arghxDanDare: the xorg.conf.d/ directory doesn't exist. that's probably the reason why it doesn't work
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21:51.12DanDaremakes sense, echo can create files but not directories, ok
21:51.47somiajDanDare: one note is splitting your config up into little snippets in xorg.conf.d or just including everything in a single xorg.conf as of now is just an orgizination issue.
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21:52.09somiajDanDare: echo isn't creating the director, its the '>' part that writes to files (and can create them if there isn't one)
21:53.13jhutchins_ltsomiaj: Nonetheless, doesn't create directories.
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21:55.10DanDareDoesnt work, ends with "Fatal server error: no screens found"
21:55.51AciD__arghx: damn, I knew I was doing something wrong when rebooting. The update complained about r8169 firmware that couldn't be used, although I checked my /etc/apt/source.list for contrib and non-free repo. I guess I'll have to reboot the the -486 version to get the network back..
21:55.54arghxthe last line is meaningless. we need the first error
21:56.14arghxAciD__: yes. and then install the non-free firmware
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21:57.01somiajDanDare: what is your video card, 'nv' is quite old and may not see itself is valid on many nvidia cards.
21:57.16arghxAciD__: how much RAM do you have? if you have exactly 4GB, you might want to use the bigmem or pae kernel so you can use all of it. otherwise you will be capped around 3.5GB or so
21:57.24arghxsomiaj: TNT2
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21:57.54somiajDanDare: care to give us the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, see why 'nv' isn't detecting your card.
21:57.58DanDarearghx, this is the entire log http://pastebin.com/EakynU8R
21:58.02somiajarghx: blast from the past
21:58.03AciD__arghx: I do have 4GB RAM. is the 'bigmem' or 'pae' kernel just a specific .deb to install ?
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21:58.32Zesturianwhy won't the selinux httpd context / types work for apache2 under squeeze? I want to set up a php script which can have write perms to one file but unless I make selinux permissive it doesn't work, I want the security selinux offers, so any suggestions please?
21:58.37MSTRCNVSarghx: installed image 2.6.39 from backports, and what about x, I need to do something about it?
21:58.38arghx!nomodeset
21:58.50DanDareI think you will need bigmen if =>4GB on 386 (not sure)
21:58.54arghxMSTRCNVS: install xorg from backports
21:59.05MSTRCNVSarghx: xorg-xserver package?
21:59.28ZesturianIf I use "httpd_sys_content_rw_t" as the content type or "httpd_sys_script_exec_t" I get forbidden when accessing the scripts?!
21:59.29arghxAciD__: yes, it's another kernel image package. but with exactly 4GB, you don't miss much. your call
21:59.34arghxMSTRCNVS: no. xorg
21:59.37somiajDanDare: line 214 is the issue, its conflicting wiht your kernel somehow.
21:59.53arghxDanDare: you need "nomodeset" as kernel parameter
22:00.01AciD__arghx: i'll go with linux-image-686-bigmem then
22:00.12DanDare"Kernel modesetting driver in use" I have no idea ...l
22:00.22arghx!kms
22:00.22dpkgKernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X.  It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29.  Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2.  To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.  http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
22:00.26ZesturianCan anyone give me some tips? These contexts should work according to the manual page?
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22:00.37AciD__!pae
22:00.38dpkgPhysical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used.  Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems).  PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others.  Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>.
22:00.59AciD__!bigmem
22:00.59dpkgFor i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on squeeze and lenny systems supporting <PAE>.  If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead).  Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead.  See also <686-pae>.
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22:01.07somiajDanDare: got this from google, "To turn off modesetting add "nomodeset" as a kernel boot time parameter."
22:01.09arghx!tell AciD__ about msgthebot
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22:01.43MSTRCNVSarghx: to install it I needed to remove nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms that was conflicting with the versions, but I will backport nvidia-glx and install the newer version, ok?
22:01.49DanDareKMS have anything to do with DKMS ?
22:01.53arghxMSTRCNVS: yes
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22:01.58arghxDanDare: no
22:02.06somiajDanDare: looks like you should ad it to /etc/grub/default -- GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset" (and what ever boot options you need)
22:02.19DanDareI see
22:02.50arghxDanDare: KMS is about video modes and DKMS is about kernel modules
22:03.22Zesturianeven with  "setsebool -P httpd_unified 1" it can't write?!
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22:04.08arghxZesturian: are you asking in a #selinux channel too? cause I kinda doubt you will get much/any help here
22:04.26AciD__arghx: after installing firmware-realtek, are you supposed to do anything else to use is correctly ? I just booted into the -686-bigmem kernel, but no network :/
22:04.46arghxAciD__: nothing to do. check ifconfig -a and the dmesg output
22:05.00arghx,versions firmware-realtek
22:05.03juddPackage: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.33; wheezy/non-free: 0.33
22:05.25MSTRCNVSarghx: xorg upgraded, now I need to backport nvidia-glx, right?
22:05.30arghxMSTRCNVS: yes
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22:05.38DanDaresomiaj, I have "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"" in grub. Should I chance this line or just add a new one?
22:05.45Zesturianarghx, probably wise, I'll ask there too. Thanks
22:05.47DanDare*should I change
22:05.52AciD__arghx: can't do that with the new kernel, as I still can't use the keyboard while in the gdm screen (I'm doing all the cmdline via ssh from this computer)..
22:05.57arghxDanDare: change it to "quiet nomodeset"
22:05.58MSTRCNVSarghx: from wheezy or sid?
22:06.02somiajDanDare: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nomodeset"
22:06.04DanDareallright
22:06.06arghxMSTRCNVS: yes. /msg dpkg ssb
22:06.18MSTRCNVSarghx: from which, wheezy or sid?
22:06.34DanDaremust go check and try learn what it means after all because I have no idea ...
22:06.51arghxMSTRCNVS: doesn't matter. please read the factoid. /msg dpkg ssb
22:07.34MSTRCNVSarghx: I'm already reading it, I was just asking from which it would be better to backport
22:07.47arghxboth have the same version
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22:08.39DanDarenomodeset grub directive is specific for video cards ?
22:09.00DanDareOh, lost the tinny nice fonts after the nomodeset
22:09.09DanDare*console one
22:09.11arghxyes. no more framebuffer
22:09.14somiajMSTRCNVS: testing packages have gone though sid with no 'grave' bugs, so there is a change its slightly more stable with the debian patches/config options. Though In general you'd probabaly chose the version you wanted.
22:09.26arghxyou might get it back some other way tho, not sure
22:09.43arghxsomiaj: nvidia packages are the same in both
22:09.44DanDareAnyway, cool !
22:09.51DanDareThis fixed the video issue now
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22:10.43DanDareShould I try the "nomodeset" with nouveau now? :)
22:10.54arghxDanDare: you could, for no, run a lenny kernel. with that you would probably get the nice tinny fonts back and a working nv without "nomodeset" for example
22:11.09somiajDanDare: nouveau might be a bit new for your card. I would double check which cards it supports.
22:11.15arghxDanDare: you can try. simply move away the xorg.conf file you create or even delete it
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22:11.38DanDareYeah I think it worth a try
22:11.46arghxDanDare: but when you had the problems before, it most probably used nouveau. I doubt it will work properly: no one will test with such an old card
22:12.03DanDaremost likely
22:12.14MSTRCNVSarghx: just nvidia-glx or nvidia-kernel-dkms too?
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22:12.47arghxMSTRCNVS: I told you: you get nvidia-glx and build it, and it will create all the other packages, including -dkms-
22:13.00MoggetI have a MS webcam connected to my computer, when i start cheese, things start to happend on camera, LED turning on etc but no picture http://pastebin.com/MgYn3Lyb Anyone have an idea what i can do further?
22:13.27abrotmanMogget: and your kernel would be?
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22:13.46AciD__arghx: still no luck with firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free and firmware-realtek. I removed then reinstalled the kernel  -bigmem just in case too. Any idea why it seems the firmware isn't used (can that be checked ?) ?
22:13.46DanDareI just deleted the xorg.conf.d file and it's working great this way
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22:13.52Moggetabrotman: Linux Yggdrasil 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
22:14.14abrotmanMogget: tried the kernel from backports.debian.org ?
22:14.16DanDareBy doing just the "nomodeset" grub boot fixed that issue with TNT2
22:14.18arghxAciD__: I asked you to check dmesg. why didn't you?
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22:14.40DanDarep.s. I didnt rebooted the computer just deleted xorg.conf.d and restarted X
22:14.50somiajDanDare: its probabaly because xorg is just detecting the 'nv' driver during start, check your Xorg.0.log to see
22:15.02somiajDanDare: and since you fixed the reason the 'nv' driver wouldn't load, its all good
22:15.16DanDaresomiaj, detecting the nv car because of the "nomodeset" directive ?
22:15.19DanDare*card
22:15.22Moggetabrotman: no, i haven't. Ill try that on this machine too.
22:15.28DanDarewell, anyway
22:15.50DanDarethank you guys much
22:15.57AciD__arghx: I'd like too, but I can't use the keyboard while in gdm (that is my former problem which bring me here). I entered all the previous command via ssh from another computer, but with no network, no ssh and no dmesg :'(
22:16.16arghx!nodm
22:16.16dpkgDebian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default.  Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim".  "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console.  nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/).
22:16.26arghxdisable gdm until you fix the problem
22:16.33AciD__arghx: so i'm a bit stuck to using -486 kernel while trying to fix that very odd keyboard
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22:16.45AciD__arghx: I could remove gdm indeed
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22:16.56arghxno need to remove. please read the factoid again
22:17.09MSTRCNVSarghx: when I try to install the resultant debs with dpkg -i *.deb, it says that errors were found during the installation process of the packages
22:17.17abrotmanread the *whole* factoid
22:17.27somiajDanDare: no xorg just goes thogh the drivers, before the nomodeset it tried to load the nv driver and failed. Now when it tries to load that driver it doens't fail and thus uses it
22:17.45arghxMSTRCNVS: we are not psychic, we don't know the errors until you tell us which errors you get
22:18.30MSTRCNVSerror processing nvidia-glx-ia32, dependecy problem, letting if disconfigured
22:18.47arghx!tell MSTRCNVS about errors
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22:21.39MSTRCNVSthe resultant debs are in a directory, I cd to this directory and did 'dpkg -i *.deb' to install all the resultant debs, but it seems It's generating an dependency error in nvidia-installer-cleanup, that I can't find anywhere
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22:23.43DanDaresomiaj, sorry for being repetitive but nv didnt failed because of "nomodeset" instruction ?
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22:24.32arghxMSTRCNVS: can you please run a uname -r?
22:24.54MSTRCNVSforget about, I backported nvidia-installer-cleanup too
22:25.28simonlnu*blink*
22:25.51somiajDanDare: (EE) NV: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load -- is why NV failed to load. the 'nomodeset' option disable the thing in the kernel causing it to fail
22:26.14DanDareOk, thanks
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22:26.37AciD__arghx: ifconfig -a shows lo and eth4 (?!), but no ip adress. dmesg|grep r8169 shows no errors. the r8169 module is loaded
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22:26.44DanDareso modesetting is a kind of video driver
22:26.51arghxsomiaj: at this point we explicitly loaded nv via xorg.conf btw
22:27.01arghx!70
22:27.01dpkgudev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch).  If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file.  To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module.  See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
22:27.06arghxAciD__: ^^
22:27.14simonlnuno, it's a reference to KMS, kernel mode setting
22:27.25DanDareok
22:27.36AciD__arghx: dmesg does points to "eth0" although there is no eth0 but a eth4 interface, weird. I hate this new computer !! TT
22:27.36simonlnu!kms
22:27.37dpkgKernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X.  It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29.  Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2.  To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.  http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
22:28.28arghxDanDare: kms is a thing which makes the kernel switch videomodes. historically the X server did that. when the kernel does it, it can be done a LOT smoother, but it needs kernel support. and it's anew thing so older drivers like nv don't support it in any way
22:28.47somiajDanDare: correct, framebuffers are video drivers at the console level (as opposed to x). It will be nice once there is a better relation between the two. Nouveau for example is both a framebuffer in the kernel and a driver for xorg that talks to that framebuffer.
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22:30.45AciD__arghx: last but not least, 1) the network is down when using -686 kernel, 2) still can't use the keyboard with X, there is more disturbing : my 2 sata hd just don't show up in dmesg (they are connected with brand new sata cable, and are recognized (and correctly labelled) by the motherboard at boot time) :'(
22:32.20arghxAciD__: 1) I told yoiu how to fix that. see the !70 factoid 2) I dunno about that, you asked about your missing memory and I told you how to fix that with a different kernel  and about your SATA: does this happen with all kernels, and again, what does dmesg say and what does lspci say?
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22:34.31AciD__arghx: thanks for your patience, I'll try again tomorrow ! gn
22:35.50abrotmanwhy that sneaky ..
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22:36.57MSTRCNVSarghx: I'm needing to backport a lot of dependencies too, not only nvidia-glx, is this right?
22:38.03arghxMSTRCNVS: no. from what you wrote earlier, you already had backported the package. what commands did you run to build a .deb?
22:39.15MSTRCNVSarghx: apt-get -b source <package>
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22:40.05arghxand what makes you think you need lots of other dependencies? please use a pastebin!
22:40.22DanDarenice explanation, thanks
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22:40.58MSTRCNVSarghx: some dependencies of nvidia-glx required other dependencies and the installation process wasn't sucessful, so I need to backport these dependencies and install it
22:41.35arghxMSTRCNVS: unless you give us the information I ask you for, I cannot help you. please come back when you can provide the information
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22:46.29somiajMSTRCNVS: the nvidia-source package will make a lot of packages, you don't need to install them all
22:46.29arghxMSTRCNVS: has JamesTaggart messaged you?
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22:47.02qqqqqqqqqEvening all!
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22:47.59MSTRCNVSarghx: yes, about rapping or and some other things, why?
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22:48.35arghxMSTRCNVS: just curious. as you've seen, the problem has been solved. good riddance to him
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22:49.37gayasentinelHi, all! Thanks command Debian 6.
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22:51.26woshtywhere did libapache2-mod-chroot go in wheezy?
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22:52.15abrotmanjudd: versions libapache2-mod-chroot
22:52.17juddPackage: libapache2-mod-chroot on i386 -- lenny: 0.5-7; squeeze: 0.5-7
22:52.21abrotmanapparently gone
22:53.11themill#624301 says "obsolete as apache has its own chroot direcive as of version 2.2.10"
22:53.26abrotmanlook at that! yay NEWS
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22:56.20wathekHi everyone
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22:56.37wathekI'm trying to find the php-config command for Debian Squeeze
22:56.45wathekany one knows where I can find it ?
22:57.38dondelelcarowathek: aptitude install php-config
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22:57.54wathekdondelelcaro, it's not in that package
22:57.59themillwathek: apt-file is your friend, you presumably want php5-dev
22:58.00wathekdondelelcaro, I don't have the bin
22:58.20wathekthemill, ok thank you so much
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23:06.33abrotman!fhs
23:06.34dpkgDebian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard.  The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application.  This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients.  See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
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23:15.22MSTRCNVSarchx: I backported nvidia-glx, but at the installation process it required nvidia-installer-cleanup, and then multiarch-support, do I need to backport they too?
23:16.00themillmultiarch is something you definitely do not want to be backporting
23:16.04MSTRCNVSarghx: /\
23:16.14MSTRCNVSbut how do I do so?
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23:36.44nanderI have ubuntu 11.10 on my laptop, should I switch to debian, if so, why?
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23:37.30babilennander: Because you want to?
23:37.38nanderWhat technical arguments
23:37.41babilen!tell nander -about why debian
23:38.16nanderDoes it have gnome by default?
23:38.16babilennander: Try it and use whatever you are more comfortable with.
23:38.23nanderI hate unity
23:38.34nanderAnd I hate the payware software in the software center
23:38.49nanderUbuntu starts to feel like a bad trial of something
23:38.57babilenThe standard desktop task will install Gnome by default, yes. But you can use whatever desktop environment you want.
23:39.00DJPressboxok, i don't mean to sound stupid, but the default 2.6 kernel is working on my system, and i'm trying to compile from source and use a 3.0.4 kernel, but slim it down as much as possible, is there an easy way to see specifically what modules are in use and required too boot my system ?
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23:39.35nanderOk, I'm gonna convert my machine to debian once I have the time
23:39.47cookiemon5terDJPressbox: lspci -k
23:40.07babilenDJPressbox: A look at "lsmod" is probably enlightening -- That being said: Do you have a particular reason for slimming down the kernel? Is the Debian kernel too large for your (embedded?) device?
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23:41.35babilennander: Have fun, if you have a working (wired) internet connection I would recommend the netinstall with firmware. (/msg dpkg firmware image) - If you are not connected to the internet you probably want CD1/DVD1. All that is covered in the installation guide (/msg dpkg ig) as well.
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23:41.40DJPressboxi'm working with the xen hypervisor, and re-compiling the backend block driver, so the fewer modules it has to recompile, the faster i can test my changes, and sure there are probably an easier way to update the module than "make modules_install" -- but yah..
23:42.16cookiemon5terbabilen: netinstall doesn't have generic kernel & wireless-tools ? =o
23:42.33Bert_2Hi, is there a way using aptitude, apt-get or dpkg to get a list of all packages that follow a certain pattern (in this case php5-*) and list whether they are installed or not ?
23:42.58DJPressboxBert_2,   apt-cache search php5-*   ?
23:43.15babilencookiemon5ter: It does not support WPA2 -- Should have specified that.
23:43.17tomlabirtjhutchins_lt, sorry for disturbing! The ttyS4 uses the IRQ 15 but in the /proc/interrupts shows that : http://pastebin.com/nHWaTgf8 . What is "pata_via"?
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23:43.23babilenwpa/wpa2 that is
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23:43.34dondelelcaroBert_2: aptitude '~i~nphp5-'
23:43.48dondelelcaroBert_2: aptitude search '~i~nphp5-'; rather.
23:43.52arghxcookiemon5ter: netinst lacks the wpasupplicant software for wpa.
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23:44.13arghxcookiemon5ter: and debian doesn't ship with non-free firmware in the kernel by default
23:44.32Bert_2DJPressbox: not exactly what I wanted, dondelelcaro his command was better
23:44.49nanderOnly 1 MB/s download?
23:44.52Bert_2dondelelcaro: thx, that works, especially when I leave the ~i out so I can see what's not installed as well ;)
23:44.52arghxtomlabirt: pata_via is your IDE controller on the mobo.
23:45.03nanderThat's a shame, I have 100 Mbit/s internet
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23:46.52tomlabirtarghx, uhh But why uses the IRQ what is assigned with the device what i want to use? :@
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23:50.09ne7workHello all, please someone tell me where is the source directory of kernel?
23:50.19ne7workI want to edit my kernel configuration
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23:50.59DJPressboxne7work, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
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23:51.43ne7workDJPressbox, and?
23:51.45LinuxNITdoes umount.cifs not exist anymore?
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23:52.56ne7workDJPressbox, I compiled my kernel already, but I want to make some changes in kernel configuration
23:53.05datzyHello, I'm trying to connect to a wireless network. I get this popup window that says Unlock Login Keyring.  What password is it asking for?
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23:53.41DJPressboxne7work, and... you run make menuconfig again, and recompile, update your grub, and pray that boots
23:53.51abrotmandatzy: your user password usually
23:54.25batouzohow to make usb-install for net-install of debian, using command line?
23:54.36ne7workI need to run fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image and dpkg -i again?
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23:54.49abrotman!usb install
23:54.49dpkgYou can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB.  Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images.  https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows.  BIOS can't boot from USB?  Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
23:54.51ne7workand I need to wait ?
23:55.16datzyabaddon: any reason why it wouldn't be working?
23:55.31ne7workcan't I just edit kernel configuration of my current kernel?
23:55.39datzyabrotman: I've tried both user and root
23:55.49datzysorry mistabbed
23:55.56tomlabirtjhutchins, are you here?
23:56.01DJPressboxne7work, yes, because you're going to have to rebuild the image debian uses to boot off of -- and that image needs to reflect the changes in your kernel
23:56.24abrotmandatzy: sudo stuff maybe ?
23:56.56abrotmandatzy: which DE is this? gnome? kde? what wifi manager are you using?
23:57.12datzyabrotman: gnome
23:57.27datzyit's the Network Manger afaik
23:57.28ne7workDJPressbox, well btw now I have 3 kernels 2.6.32.5, 2.6.39.4 and 3.1 how can I remove some of them?
23:57.39abrotmandatzy: i use n-m . never had to do that
23:57.58datzyah
23:57.58abrotmanne7work: man dpkg
23:58.00datzyrats
23:58.11abrotmandatzy: are you in the uh .. hold on
23:58.47abrotmani was gonna say plugdev .. but i'm not
23:59.03DJPressboxthinks ne7work should go play with Gentoo first...
23:59.29datzyabaddon: maybe I can restart the network manager
23:59.29abrotmanDJPressbox: please don't
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23:59.35abrotmandatzy: go ahead and try

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