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| 00:01.15 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/139904/ |
| 00:01.45 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: A great clue is in the line 290 |
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| 00:02.51 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: you still are not loading the 'nvidia' driver, why is it loading the 'intel' driver? |
| 00:03.37 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: Dunno, I am loading the nvidia driver by the lines you told me, and this way the X doesn't start |
| 00:03.37 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: I have to go, others will try to help. but your problem is its not loading the nvidia driver |
| 00:03.57 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: give me logs from when x doesn't start and correctly loads the driver (Well the room) I have to go by |
| 00:04.16 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: this is the log when x doesn't start |
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| 00:08.16 | papabaer123 | cantido: thx for your help. now building and see if it is getting better. |
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| 00:09.16 | cantido | papabaer123: were the modules right? |
| 00:09.43 | cantido | papabaer123: you don't have to use make-kpkg if its just for one machine.. |
| 00:09.58 | cantido | I don't bother on any of the various boards I have around |
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| 00:11.48 | papabaer123 | cantido: system is not that fast... this needs some time |
| 00:12.55 | papabaer123 | cantido: thx again, will come back if problem is still persistant. |
| 00:13.29 | cantido | yeah, I know that feeling .. |
| 00:13.41 | cantido | has machines that take a day at least to build a kernel |
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| 00:16.29 | MSTRCNVS | can someone guide me? my kernel is from squeeze-backports and I need to compile the broadcom-sta module, but I'm getting error cause it's not compatible with my kernel. I was told to push newer broadcom-sta sources from upstream, but I don't know how to do this |
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| 00:24.01 | ods86 | did anyone try qemu-kvm 15 on squeeze? |
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| 00:38.45 | SuperSev | OK, did that fix it? |
| 00:38.47 | SuperSev | Yup. |
| 00:38.56 | SuperSev | What a waste of time :P |
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| 00:39.41 | SuperSev | Ok, so I've got a dual monitor setup with radeon drivers, it worked fine until I replaced one of my monitors with an LCD. I changed the conf to accomodate the new monitor. When I start KDM, everything is 100% fine |
| 00:39.54 | SuperSev | when I log in, everything is drawn 1152 pixels to the right (the width of the left side monitor) |
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| 00:40.36 | SuperSev | but my mouse positioning works as normal (I have to have it in the lower left corner to open the K menu even though that's displaying 1152 pixels to the right) |
| 00:41.10 | SuperSev | I also recently updated, which may've contributed :P |
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| 00:41.50 | SuperSev | and if anyone wants me to paste my xorg.conf, I have no idea how to use a pastebin from the console. |
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| 00:55.17 | jonwil | Is this the right place to ask questions about dpkg and dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 00:57.07 | tawtaw | hi, for some reason postfix is not sending outgoing email. they just bounce back with a unknown user error |
| 00:58.41 | MSTRCNVS | jonwil: can be |
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| 01:00.42 | ods86 | tawtaw: why don't you use the default MTA from debian (exim4) |
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| 01:01.10 | tawtaw | ods86: long story, in this case i nee postfix |
| 01:01.27 | tawtaw | for some reason its only delivering locallky it seems |
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| 01:01.52 | ods86 | tawtaw: did you "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" ? |
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| 01:01.59 | tawtaw | ods86: yes |
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| 01:02.29 | jonwil | I have 2 files, file.a and file.b. file.b file.b is a symbolic link to file.a. I am building a package with dpkg-buildpackage and I want to use dpkg-divert to divert file.a and replace it with my own copy. |
| 01:02.36 | xp | any Amerians here? when I want to say I am very busy, can I say that I am 'as busy as captain Kirk?" |
| 01:02.38 | jonwil | wait I want to divert file.b |
| 01:02.55 | jonwil | Do I use dpkg-divert on file.a, file.b or both? |
| 01:03.08 | ods86 | tawtaw: /etc/hosts adjusted? |
| 01:03.09 | jonwil | i.e. the link, the target or both |
| 01:03.28 | tawtaw | ods86: adjusted how? |
| 01:03.35 | rww | xp: try asking ##english |
| 01:04.02 | SuperSev | xp: is captain kirk a particularly busy guy? |
| 01:04.05 | ods86 | tawtaw: whats the output of "hostname -f" |
| 01:04.13 | SuperSev | ;) |
| 01:04.15 | tawtaw | its a fqdn |
| 01:04.29 | tawtaw | i keep getting unknown user |
| 01:05.02 | tawtaw | local delivery works fine |
| 01:05.59 | tawtaw | relay=local |
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| 01:08.58 | ods86 | tawtaw: did you only configured postfix through dpkg? |
| 01:09.09 | tawtaw | ods86: yes |
| 01:09.22 | jonwil | is there some documentation for how to use dpkg-divert anywhere? |
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| 01:11.33 | ods86 | tawtaw: what do you want to accomplish? imap/vmail or only postfix? maybe i know a easier solution |
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| 01:17.05 | jonwil | ok, reading the manpage, it looks like I want to divert the main file, not the symlink |
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| 01:18.46 | wxl | folks i have an issue with my install. it boots fine, but then kicks out to busybox complaining it can't open tty due to stopped job control. any ideas? |
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| 01:20.30 | SuperMiguel | where does debian run better? virtualbox or vmware? |
| 01:20.45 | thisthat | well virtualbox is free so... |
| 01:21.18 | ods86 | always had a good experience with vbox |
| 01:21.24 | wxl | i have a different debian install which woks well on vbox |
| 01:21.33 | wxl | i'm using lxde but that shouldn't matterr |
| 01:21.47 | thisthat | i am running 32bit debian in vbox on my 64bit debian |
| 01:22.01 | thisthat | no problems |
| 01:22.03 | SuperMiguel | ill be running it from a mac |
| 01:22.30 | wxl | assuming it's intel you're fine |
| 01:23.02 | wxl | if you'e trying to do it on a ppc, that's a different situation |
| 01:23.49 | ods86 | wxl: where did you install debian? never had problem after a fresh install on squeeze.. |
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| 01:24.27 | wxl | ods86: whatcha mean where? on a hard drive. :) |
| 01:25.15 | wxl | it's using a recent stable netboot cd on a ppc, subsequently, but i don't think this is a ppc-specific issue |
| 01:26.06 | wxl | i did install x within the installer which in retrospect i'd probably save for late, but again, that should be unrelated |
| 01:26.43 | wxl | i have a feeling there's something amiss with /etc/inittab or something related but i only know enough there to get myself in trouble |
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| 01:28.01 | ods86 | no idea about ppc, last time i tried it on an dual g5 and failed on the bootloader^^ |
| 01:28.17 | wxl | well i have no problem there |
| 01:28.37 | wxl | admittedly i'm dual booting with a previously installed lubuntu partition |
| 01:28.52 | wxl | i didn't make a new bootstrap |
| 01:29.03 | wxl | i just tweaked yaboot.conf appropriately |
| 01:29.09 | wxl | again, no probs booting |
| 01:29.41 | wxl | it gets to the point where it recognizes the trackpad and nic and then it poops out |
| 01:30.08 | wxl | one thing i didn't do was create a new swap. not sure if that's somehow related |
| 01:30.35 | ods86 | i don't think that you have to create new swap |
| 01:30.41 | wxl | yeah didn't think so |
| 01:31.18 | wxl | of course the manual partitioner was complaining but that may be a default action if you don't create a swap |
| 01:31.22 | tsllst | yeah, didn't think so. But I always create swap. |
| 01:31.39 | wxl | well i already have one :D |
| 01:31.56 | wxl | but maybe it's not reusable. again, i only know enough to get myself in trouble ;) |
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| 01:33.15 | ods86 | debian should run without a swap afaik (with some errors though) |
| 01:33.33 | wxl | well that's unlikely it then |
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| 01:34.08 | wxl | so i've heard that upstart is an option on debian yet i didn't necessarily see that as an option in the installerr, but if i am having a problem with inittab, that may be a possible solution |
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| 01:34.16 | tsllst | no. swap can be reused. |
| 01:35.04 | wxl | so it's not swap |
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| 01:37.19 | DJPressbox | got 3.0.4 booting with only 672 modules :D |
| 01:37.43 | wxl | hahahah |
| 01:37.53 | DJPressbox | the default is 2500 |
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| 01:39.00 | wxl | i wish i could boot period :D oh well, someone will help me figure this out |
| 01:39.15 | DJPressbox | oh, what's yo problems? |
| 01:39.59 | wxl | i get dropped out to busybox |
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| 01:40.27 | wxl | can't access tty: job control turned off |
| 01:40.33 | DJPressbox | using the default installation? |
| 01:40.48 | Jargs1 | hi there |
| 01:40.52 | Jargs1 | i'm having a little trouble compiling libtorrent, i was wondering if anyone could help? |
| 01:41.00 | wxl | from a netboot cd, with default options selected (i.e. x server installed) |
| 01:41.09 | wxl | on a ppc |
| 01:41.18 | wxl | stable for that matter |
| 01:42.29 | DJPressbox | hmm |
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| 01:42.44 | wxl | i'm pretty well convinced it has something to do with init scripts but i don't know enough about them to know where the problem is |
| 01:43.09 | wxl | i was thinking about redoing the install without x and seeing what happens but that's kind of a pita |
| 01:43.41 | babilen | Jargs1: Which version? What are you problems? Why don't you install it from the repositories? |
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| 01:44.17 | wxl | DJPressbox: http://busybox.net/FAQ.html#job_control |
| 01:44.43 | dsdeiz | hi, trying to install multiple versions of php. i already have php52 from dotdeb. how do i install the one from the squeeze repo for 5.3? |
| 01:45.12 | en1gmaa | i just got debian 6 installed and was looking for aircrack and cant seem to find it |
| 01:45.15 | en1gmaa | what i got to do |
| 01:46.06 | babilen | en1gmaa: aircrack-ng has been removed from Debian (/msg dpkg aircrack) -- Use pyrit or weplab |
| 01:46.46 | en1gmaa | O_o |
| 01:46.55 | en1gmaa | i cant use a backport to debian 5 or something? |
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| 01:47.03 | tsllst | is kernel-image-debug removed also from Debian? |
| 01:47.14 | MSTRCNVS | for god sake I can't enable the nvidia driver X in any way. I've already backported all nvidia-glx and nvidia dinamic kernel module but I can't enable it, the X simply doesn't want to start when the driver is set to "nvidia" |
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| 01:48.12 | jhutchins_lt | Nvidia hates you. |
| 01:48.12 | babilen | en1gmaa: I would strongly recommend to read the bug in which Debian's reasons for the removal are outlined. Seriously, just use pyrit or weplab. (pyrit is great!) |
| 01:48.37 | jhutchins_lt | Nvidia paid lots of money to Microsoft, and you're not running Microsoft. |
| 01:48.42 | en1gmaa | i have used pyrit before and it dont nothing that aircrack does to the best of my knowledge |
| 01:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | You must suffer. |
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| 01:49.03 | wxl | um, what about nouveau? |
| 01:49.22 | wxl | (re: nvidia drivers) |
| 01:49.35 | tsllst | nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf |
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| 01:49.43 | babilen | en1gmaa: You can install aircrack manually to /usr/local if you are so inclined. I'd suggest to use stow to manage that installation. (/msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage) -- Note that we will not support that. |
| 01:49.52 | tsllst | blacklist nouveau |
| 01:49.54 | wxl | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 01:49.55 | tsllst | blacklist lbm-nouveau |
| 01:50.07 | en1gmaa | ok thanks i might give that a go |
| 01:50.20 | babilen | still recommends pyrit/weplab |
| 01:50.21 | tsllst | yeath,reference http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 01:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I know it's a pain to build the RPM spec files that are the essential part of an RPM package. Is it just as bad to try to turn a raw tarball into a .deb? |
| 01:51.45 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: As in really packaging it? Or as in creating something that remotely resembles a .deb so that you can install it with dpkg? |
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| 01:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen more than one recent incidence of people recommending stow or alien rather than building a .deb |
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| 01:52.19 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I would think a rough but servicible job would be better than that. |
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| 01:53.35 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Well, checkinstall could be used -- but I don't see the reason for it. |
| 01:54.27 | jhutchins_lt | It's a fascinating program, but it's utility is limited. |
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| 01:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | I guess I ought to mess with building a .deb myself. I have been fortunate to end up in a backwater where I don't need to do any of that. |
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| 01:55.51 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose I ought to throw that spare box on the bench and mess with LVM and building .deb's. Nothing better to do. |
| 01:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | Except work on the house. |
| 01:56.48 | aypea[2] | I don't remember it being too hard to build my own private deb |
| 01:57.04 | aypea[2] | you get to start with a template and then just modify the necessary bits |
| 01:57.11 | aypea[2] | for the most part everything is taken care of for you |
| 01:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | I gues it's the template that's the trick. It was a lot harder doing RPM's without a template for the spec file. |
| 01:58.13 | aypea[2] | yeah. no template == right pain. |
| 01:58.23 | aypea[2] | esp if it's your first deb/rpm |
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| 02:04.54 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Take a look at dh_make and the new maintainer's guide. |
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| 02:06.30 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: your logs say the 'nvidia' module is not being loaded. |
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| 02:07.01 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: I want to see a log where the nvidia module is being loaded, the fact its not being loaded tells me that you aren't telling xorg to load the module, or you wan't giving me the log from the time it crashes with loading it |
| 02:07.09 | Cyranix0r | anyone had this problem where the initrd doesn't automatically start RAID disks (grub ends up dropping to busybox, theres no /proc/mdstat, but I can then manually mdadm --assemble --scan, and it finds and starts the arrays fine)... |
| 02:07.36 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: that log is from the time that X crashes with loading it... |
| 02:07.45 | asarch | Which one, xtightvncviewer or xvnc4viewer? |
| 02:07.54 | wxl | Cyranix0r: no but i'm stuck being shot out to busybox and i can't figure it out, if that's any consolation to you :D |
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| 02:08.13 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: it is NOT loading the nvidia driver, I can tell this because I read the log file. The log file is loading the nvidia glx module but the intel graphis model. They are conflicting. |
| 02:08.38 | dsdeiz | hm any tips for installing multiple versions of php5? i currently have dotdeb's php5.2 |
| 02:08.53 | dvs | Cyranix0r: I put a parameter on the kernel line to start my RAID. |
| 02:09.18 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf* please (on the setup that you have) |
| 02:10.01 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: in order to get into X I have to remove any files that configure it to the nvidia driver so it'll be empty |
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| 02:10.16 | MSTRCNVS | on the setup that I am into |
| 02:10.22 | Cyranix0r | dvs: happen to know that parameter? |
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| 02:11.01 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: well then give me the output of the file(s) that mess things up. And then get a log for me when it has issues. |
| 02:11.13 | dude__ | where can i go to find info on when the linux 3.1 kernel will make its way into Debian? (I'm using Wheezy) |
| 02:11.21 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: if xdoesnt load, how do you get the log for me? Do you ssh into it and get the log, or do you reboot and then get the log after x is working? |
| 02:11.29 | dvs | Cyranix0r: md=0,/dev/sdb1,/dev/sdc1 |
| 02:11.35 | dvs | in my case |
| 02:12.15 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: I am really this dumb? I realize what I was doing now, I was rebooting but the log file was gettings override by the working X session, dammit |
| 02:12.44 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log-bak or something to that effect, but yes I need a copy of the bad log in order to have any clue what is going on. |
| 02:13.14 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: I think there's a secondary log called Xorg.0.log.old, I'll get it for you |
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| 02:14.44 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: the content of the file that messes things up is here > http://paste.debian.net/139926/ |
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| 02:16.12 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: ok tha tlooks just fine, just need the bad log. |
| 02:16.22 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: going to get it, wait a sec |
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| 02:16.32 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: I have a few guesses what your problem is but don't want to send you in the wrong direction until I see the log |
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| 02:22.49 | jaggz | I'm under Lenny and don't have this python "pip" software to install a package (http://csvkit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html) ... what do I do? |
| 02:23.05 | en1gmaa | im running debian 6 i386 and i am in the process of building a custom kernel from a git clone...anyhow whenever i build it it always takes like 20mins extra just buildings the documentation...anyone know how i can stop this |
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| 02:30.05 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: here it is http://paste.debian.net/139930/ |
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| 02:31.58 | hdb2 | hey all - I downloaded a 'book' using wget that is just a collection of web pages. it worked great, but now I have 20+ html files littering the directory. is there a tool that will let me put them all together (with pretty pagebreaks, etc.)? |
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| 02:34.26 | qiyong | dpkg -l doesn't show a full pkg name. how do i see a full name? |
| 02:34.26 | dpkg | ii doesn't show a full pkg name. how do i see a full name 1.8-13.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:34.27 | Riviera | hdb2: there are some, yes; currently only html2ps comes to my mind. |
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| 02:35.33 | Riviera | hdb2: it's sadly rather complex to use; and sadly the result is not always great. |
| 02:36.14 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: its a GT 540M? Its not detecting your card. That is a dual card with a sandy bridge correct? You should try to backport the nvidia package from experimental 285 intead of 275 |
| 02:36.34 | Riviera | hdb2: hm, this might be good, using webkit: http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/ |
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| 02:37.13 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: Ok I'll try, does I need to uninstall all the packages that I backported earlier or It'll simply override? |
| 02:37.16 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: it just might be the extra sandybridge/intel you have in there is causing issues. the 275 drivers *Should* support the 540M chipset, but your card is not detected at all. can you get me the output of 'dmesg', first though do an 'lsmod | grep nvidia' |
| 02:37.18 | Riviera | hdb2: yes, maybe try wkhtmltopdf first. |
| 02:37.51 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: if you don't have the nvidia module loaded, do a 'modprobe nvidia' and then do a 'dmesg' -- I want the last few lines that tell me what is happening when that module is loaded |
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| 02:38.25 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: nvidia 11816767 0 i2c_core 23766 7 nvidia,i915,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit,videodev,i2c_i801 < this is the lsmod |
| 02:38.27 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: no you can just install the newer versions over the older versions. Your laptop is very new for linux support (sandybridge + nvidia integration may have issues). |
| 02:38.49 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: ok the nvidia module is loading, I want the output of 'dmesg', mostly the lines that tell me about the nvidia module |
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| 02:39.21 | hdb2 | Riviera: thank you for the tips, I'll check them out! :) |
| 02:39.28 | Riviera | hdb2: good luck :) |
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| 02:40.12 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/139933/ |
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| 02:41.36 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: did you 'grep' the dmesg, are there any lines after line 7 (the module loading) that give you any errors? |
| 02:42.06 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: also did you backport your xorg server, or are you using the stock xserver from squeeze? |
| 02:42.32 | MSTRCNVS | I'm using the xorg from the squeeze-backports |
| 02:42.54 | MSTRCNVS | but I did backport xserver-xorg-nvidia |
| 02:43.16 | somiaj | ufnorntally your logs aren't telling me anything except its not detecting your card |
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| 02:43.58 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/139934/ |
| 02:44.01 | dvs | 3.1.0 |
| 02:44.04 | dvs | yay! |
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| 02:44.11 | sterna | hmm |
| 02:44.18 | somiaj | 540M support should be in the driver you have running. You could try to get the 285 backported from experiemental and see if that works. I think there is some other issue, but I can't think of anything and don't have such new fancy hardware to play with. You may want to try to backport the newer driver and see if that helps |
| 02:44.35 | sterna | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libstdc++.a(ctype.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `vtable for std::ctype<wchar_t>' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 02:44.40 | sterna | /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libstdc++.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 02:44.44 | sterna | why would this happen? |
| 02:44.54 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: anyways I got to get out of the office, sorry I can't be of more help, I was really hoping the logs gave some info which they don't |
| 02:44.58 | sterna | i'm trying to link a .so |
| 02:45.04 | sterna | with g++ 4.4 |
| 02:45.10 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: so I need to backport nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms, just these packages? |
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| 02:47.52 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: I'd backport the whole nvidia-source package, but you should only need to install a few packages, nvidia-kernel-dkms and libgl-nvidia (nvidia-glx has been renamed to fit a new standard) |
| 02:48.18 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: you will create a lot of pacages, but need to install 3-4 of them. My nvidia computer is down so I cannot look up the exact names for you and must get home |
| 02:49.12 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: and this renaming will not conflict with my already installed nvidia-glx? |
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| 02:56.44 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.45 | dpkg | ii doesn't show a full pkg name. how do i see a full name 1.1-4.2 qiyong's private stamp collection |
| 02:57.42 | MSTRCNVS | qiyong: what you mean by full package name? |
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| 03:00.28 | qiyong | MSTRCNVS: full_name-xxx-yyy instead of full_na |
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| 03:01.50 | MSTRCNVS | qiyong: dpkg-query -l |
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| 03:05.25 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:09.27 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: apt-cache show nvidia-glx (I bet you will see its called a 'meta package') |
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| 03:09.52 | somiaj | qiyong: COLUMNS=100 dpkg -l | grep foo |
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| 03:09.56 | somiaj | qiyong: something like that. |
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| 03:22.16 | wondal | when i look thro my syslog, there are many msgs about ovpn-client. Is VPN a default for 'testing'? |
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| 03:23.55 | timidboy | wondal: not necessarily |
| 03:24.42 | timidboy | wondal: by default, actually, openswan ia default vpn on debian. |
| 03:25.51 | wondal | timidboy: thks, but if VPN is not in use, why syslog is reporting it? |
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| 03:26.20 | somiaj | wondal: dpkg -l | grep vpn -- could be you installed a package? |
| 03:26.27 | qiyong | somiaj: gracias |
| 03:26.37 | somiaj | qiyong: seemd peterrooney answered you to, I was slow. :D |
| 03:28.48 | wondal | timidboy: here's one of the msgs: Oct 26 11:15:54 localhost ovpn-client[1704]: TUN/TAP device tun1 opened |
| 03:28.59 | qiyong | peterrooney: gracias también |
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| 03:31.27 | wondal | timidboy: dpkg -l shows that OpenVPN has been installed. |
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| 03:31.50 | xk | #debian ipsec |
| 03:32.31 | wondal | but is it auto-activated by the system? |
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| 03:35.19 | timidboy | No. |
| 03:35.58 | timidboy | I remember now. few time ago, openvpn are by default in the most linux`s |
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| 03:40.01 | wondal | timidboy: thks for yr answers. what is the use of vpn. if i set-up myself as a vpn-client, i would only be able site with vpn server. |
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| 03:40.22 | qiyong | somiaj: why COLUMNS has to be so large? why COLUMNS=30 doesn't work for a name only 15 length? |
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| 03:40.46 | somiaj | qiyong: make it what ever you want. I madeit 100 to ensure it was big enough |
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| 03:41.03 | somiaj | qiyong: it doesn't work? Maybe its the width of the whole thing (not just each column) |
| 03:41.06 | peterrooney | qiyong: COLUMNS covers the entire width of dpkg's output - the package name being only one part of that |
| 03:41.25 | somiaj | qiyong: man dpkg -- search for COLUMNS -- read |
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| 03:47.30 | qiyong | peterrooney: gracias |
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| 03:48.17 | somiaj | I guess the man page doens't say that its 'all columns' and not just the size |
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| 04:39.36 | acu | helo |
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| 04:40.37 | Peddy | I want to install Debian on a Thinkpad that has W7 already installed. I want to keep both, is it safe to install GRUB to the 1.3gb boot partition that Windows is currently booting from? |
| 04:41.53 | somiaj | Peddy: yes, grub can just point at the windows partition, and the windows will boot from that just fine. |
| 04:42.55 | Peddy | thanks somiaj, that's great. It's nice that Lenovo made a separate boot partition, I don't think this is standard practice for laptop manufacturers |
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| 04:43.30 | somiaj | Peddy: hmm, maybe I missunderstood you then. Grub should be on the mbr of the disk |
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| 04:44.56 | Peddy | somiaj, as far as I can tell, there are 3 partitions already existing: (1) is 1.3GB and flagged as boot, (2) is 300GB and contains windows presumably and (3) is the system recovery partition |
| 04:45.24 | acu | how can I get rid of that keyring anoying stuff - I am locked out from GNOME remote session cannot get back - I removed it few times on other machines just forgot |
| 04:45.58 | acu | I have ssh access to the station - I can reboot it |
| 04:46.25 | somiaj | Peddy: guess I have the same thing here, I still trying to figure out why I let windows live on a partition if I never use it. :D |
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| 04:49.32 | acu | Peddy: shrink the Windows partition - threre is partition manager in WIndows7 after you shrink it reboot and start installation and let debian install in free hard disk - everything will be taken care of - at the end - just agreee to grub and you will see both systems |
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| 04:50.09 | somiaj | Peddy: I think that small partition is a windows recovery partition. Mine has the same thing with teh boot flag on it. But grub points at the actual windows partition to boot. |
| 04:50.19 | Peddy | somiaj, hahaha, I feel the same way! I'm keeping Windows as a backup to manage fingerprint powerons and things like that |
| 04:50.23 | somiaj | Peddy: I'm unsure why its flagged as boot. |
| 04:50.51 | acu | Peddy: the windows7 partitioner will not let you shrink the main partition less than half (perhaps 150 GB) but if you would boot with a live linux which has Gparted you can shrink it close to the occupied size |
| 04:50.52 | somiaj | Peddy: I discovered that I could only shrink my partition to 260GB, so I had to reinstall it to srhink it down to 50gb |
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| 04:51.15 | Peddy | thanks acu - for some reason Debian just failed to resize the partition ("an error has occured while writing the changes to the storage devices") |
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| 04:51.34 | Peddy | I am using Debian live CD right now |
| 04:51.36 | acu | Peddy - do not resize the partition while you install it |
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| 04:52.03 | acu | Try either to shrink it from within windows - or boot a LIVE system and shrink the windows partition - then install debian |
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| 04:52.27 | Peddy | acu, isn't the purpose of partman in the debian live cd to resize partitions? :O |
| 04:52.35 | acu | somiaj: if you use GPARTED (or parted if you like cli) you can shrink the windows close to its occupied size |
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| 04:53.35 | acu | Peddy: lets say if windows occupies 40 GB I would make the partition at least 50 if not more - also defragment the windows before shrinking it |
| 04:53.49 | acu | Defragment the windows from windows |
| 04:54.18 | acu | Peddy, sometimes you have to try twice to shrink it - it will go |
| 04:54.37 | Peddy | acu, good suggestion - but this laptop is brand new so I can skip that step (; |
| 04:54.39 | Peddy | okay, will do |
| 04:55.25 | Peddy | is windows able to resize the disk it is running on? |
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| 04:56.29 | acu | Peddy: however I would recommend first to make a RECOVERY SET in WINDOWS - which can restore your system to factory default - perhaps you need 2 DVDs and it takes 2 hours - but is ESSENTIAL - though I dont use windows (except customer systems ) |
| 04:56.38 | acu | Peddy: yes |
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| 04:57.01 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.48 | acu | Peddy: type in search partitioning (in windows and it will take you to partition manager) |
| 04:57.58 | Peddy | you guys are so helpful and knowledgeable, I really appreciate it |
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| 04:58.24 | acu | You are welcome - we learn from others :) |
| 04:58.38 | Peddy | acu, I just removed the hard drive and plugged it into this machine - much faster than a live CD! :D |
| 04:59.08 | acu | :) yes that will do it too - what OS do you run on this machine ? |
| 04:59.25 | Peddy | ubuntu 11.10 :O |
| 04:59.46 | acu | yes - it's preety good - the proud child of Debian :) |
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| 05:00.13 | acu | You will have gparte - perhaps QTparted |
| 05:00.26 | Peddy | ;D I really enjoy Debian's packagement (weird portmanteau lol), apt-get is great |
| 05:00.35 | Peddy | But I don't enjoy Unity, I plan on running glorious Gnome 3 on this laptop |
| 05:01.11 | karlpinc | !tell Peddy about gnome 3 |
| 05:01.15 | Peddy | and gnome-shelll |
| 05:01.21 | acu | Did you defragment your windows ? - DId you create restore CDs ? - I installed perhaps 100 dual boot laptops - no problem - but is always great to have Factory Restore CDs (which you create) |
| 05:01.58 | karlpinc | Peddy: In other words, gnome 3 is not yet available. |
| 05:02.26 | Peddy | karlpinc, in Debian? :O |
| 05:02.33 | karlpinc | Peddy: Just install squeeze, and wait until wheezy releases to get gnome 3. |
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| 05:02.51 | karlpinc | !tell Peddy about overview |
| 05:03.01 | Peddy | is there some method to get it before? For instance, in Ubuntu I used someone's PPA with success |
| 05:03.41 | acu | yes there are backports |
| 05:04.01 | karlpinc | acu: But not of gnome3. It's way too big and complex. |
| 05:04.06 | acu | for squeeze - and you can run wheezy too - but if you are too new to this - |
| 05:04.35 | karlpinc | !tell Peddy about sns |
| 05:04.48 | acu | I do not know I do not like that new layout of GNOME3 ( I think is the same in Fedora 15 too) |
| 05:05.13 | acu | anyhow - how do you remove the keyring |
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| 05:05.18 | acu | keyring! |
| 05:05.28 | Peddy | thanks gentlemen! |
| 05:05.41 | acu | Welcome :) |
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| 05:07.56 | wxl | is there a meta package for lxde-desktop? when looking at debian live there was a package list but it doesn't seem that something similar exists for a standard debian install |
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| 05:08.57 | karlpinc | wxl: lxde ? |
| 05:09.03 | wxl | derp |
| 05:09.22 | wxl | the less bloaty desktop environment karlpinc :D |
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| 05:10.20 | karlpinc | wxl: No, the package is called "lxde". |
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| 05:10.48 | wxl | karlpinc: seems that's only the desktop environment and not really the "desktop" as the spin would have it |
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| 05:12.09 | karlpinc | wxl: You might try working with tasksel, or not. |
| 05:13.05 | wxl | karlpinc: ahhh right forgot about that, thanks! |
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| 15:54.26 | MSTRCNVS | I am planning to backport nvidia-glx from experimental, do I need a newer version of the kernel or I can continue with the squeeze stock linux image? |
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| 15:55.28 | quitte | MSTRCNVS doesn't detect my monitor with a gt240 connected via dvi. iow: i wouldn't bother unless you have a very good reason |
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| 15:56.00 | BilBeaT_ | so now goog bye and good life at all bys |
| 15:56.05 | acu | Hey guys - how do you disable xauthority ? |
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| 15:56.16 | anAngel | Hello, Is there any stable filesystem supporting deduplication for linux? |
| 15:56.26 | xshad | has anyone tryied to install testing by yesterday or today? Is there any known issue with grub installation? I've downloaded 2 images and then another check with jigdo, but all of them keeps breaking on grub. |
| 15:56.38 | thewanderer1 | anAngel, zfs-fuse is quite stable |
| 15:57.03 | xshad | (or maybe because I'm using ext4?) |
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| 15:58.49 | thewanderer1 | xshad, ext4 works on GRUB2 in Squeeze, if it doesn't for you then you've hit a regression |
| 15:59.35 | anAngel | thewanderer1: thanks i will research it now |
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| 16:02.10 | leroybuckingham | Hey I'm trying to set up an installer using pxe, and it works well, however I need to add a few different options to the boot menu to use different preseed files. So ideally, I'd like to roll one initrd image containing several preseed files, and specify which one to use with a kernel argument, as detailed in the manual at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-loading ... however this isn't working. It see |
| 16:02.58 | simonlnu | you were cut off at "It see" leroybuckingham |
| 16:03.15 | leroybuckingham | It seems that no matter how I specify preseed/file= , the installer will only look for /preseed.cfg . |
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| 16:04.18 | Vimp | hi all |
| 16:04.45 | Vimp | i'm experience sh: Bad substitution when trying to su |
| 16:04.54 | Vimp | i'm using squeeze on sid build |
| 16:05.08 | Vimp | do anyone has experience with such error |
| 16:05.16 | xshad | thewanderer1, weird because Ive been using sid for a long time in all machines, but that laptop became a headache. Gotta download squeeze and try again. Ty |
| 16:05.18 | Vimp | my /bin/sh is pointing to dash |
| 16:06.06 | dwfreed | Vimp: what command are you trying to run? |
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| 16:06.41 | Vimp | su $username |
| 16:06.42 | Vimp | :) |
| 16:06.49 | Vimp | su myuser |
| 16:06.51 | boudiccas | Vimp; what do you mean by 'squeeze on sid build'? |
| 16:07.07 | Vimp | oh i mean debian updated from sid |
| 16:07.07 | Vimp | :) |
| 16:07.15 | Vimp | sid repository |
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| 16:08.03 | dwfreed | Vimp: probably $username is empty, try actually putting in your username |
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| 16:08.16 | Vimp | i'm using my username |
| 16:08.17 | Vimp | :) |
| 16:08.19 | jelly | Vimp: pastebin the actual command you ran, and the output |
| 16:08.22 | Vimp | just typed it as variable |
| 16:08.37 | Vimp | well when i try to su myusername |
| 16:08.40 | jelly | Vimp: try not to munge or replace things |
| 16:08.45 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 16:08.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:08.47 | Vimp | it seems that the new shell which is dash for users |
| 16:08.56 | Vimp | ok jelly, sorry |
| 16:09.06 | Vimp | the dash shell is outputting this error |
| 16:09.08 | Vimp | in a loop |
| 16:09.22 | cthuluh | so, you're root, and you're typing ''su vimp''? |
| 16:09.27 | dwfreed | pastebin the command you ran and the output, and we'll see if we can help |
| 16:09.30 | Vimp | in short dash shell is not working |
| 16:09.36 | Vimp | right cthuluh |
| 16:09.38 | Vimp | exactly |
| 16:09.46 | jelly | Vimp: in general, weird things happen when you mix stable and sid... it's a completely unsupported combination |
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| 16:10.03 | Vimp | well i update it to test |
| 16:10.05 | Vimp | then to sid |
| 16:10.14 | Vimp | the whole procedure one afer another |
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| 16:10.20 | jelly | the exact reason may vary depending on the particular mix |
| 16:10.20 | Vimp | not directly from stable to sid |
| 16:10.26 | xshad | you broke your installation and your `enter` key |
| 16:10.49 | cthuluh | Vimp: what does ''getent vimp passwd'' say? |
| 16:10.49 | dwfreed | Vimp: again, we ask that you pastebin the command you ran and its output, and we'll see what help we can provide |
| 16:11.08 | Vimp | http://pastebin.com/S75tx0UZ |
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| 16:11.35 | jelly | Vimp: no password prompt? |
| 16:11.49 | dwfreed | jelly: probably running that from root |
| 16:11.53 | Vimp | erm , i'm root and just type su username |
| 16:11.56 | Vimp | to log as a username |
| 16:12.00 | Vimp | then the loop starts |
| 16:12.14 | abrotman | !enter |
| 16:12.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:12.16 | jelly | Vimp: ok. Does the same thing happen if you "su - vimp" ? |
| 16:12.26 | Vimp | if i try to initiate dash from the root user |
| 16:12.28 | Vimp | the same error |
| 16:12.30 | kuznetzvo | LOL |
| 16:12.37 | Vimp | just typing dash starts the loop error |
| 16:12.52 | michelem | aufs not in debian! |
| 16:12.59 | Vimp | yes jelly |
| 16:13.01 | Vimp | it works |
| 16:13.07 | Vimp | i mean |
| 16:13.11 | Vimp | it gives me prompt |
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| 16:13.31 | cthuluh | Vimp: so, you're running bash as root, and when you type ''dash'', you get errors? |
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| 16:13.33 | jelly | Vimp: pelase run "dash -x", try to catch the beginning of the output and the loop, and pastebin that |
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| 16:13.39 | Vimp | right cthuluh |
| 16:13.54 | Vimp | my root shell is bash for sure |
| 16:14.08 | Vimp | but it seems the shell of the user accounts is /bin/sh |
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| 16:14.13 | jelly | Vimp: the problem is in your users' shell rc scripts, they don't work with dash. |
| 16:14.14 | Vimp | which is pointing to /bin/dash |
| 16:14.26 | jelly | change the users' shell to /bin/bash |
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| 16:14.54 | Vimp | i dont even know how /bin/sh changed to -> dash |
| 16:14.55 | Vimp | :/ |
| 16:14.56 | boudiccas | Vimp; stop using your enter key as punctuation, you've now been told twice |
| 16:15.01 | Vimp | so no dash for users ? |
| 16:15.13 | Vimp | is it obly for scripts sorry if my question is lame |
| 16:15.16 | jelly | Vimp: the upgrade process did, and it _should_ have asked you about that |
| 16:16.18 | jelly | Vimp: dash can work well for users IF the users have dash-compatible ~/.profile and other rc scripts! |
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| 16:17.01 | jelly | but I don't see a real reason why one would want to hoist /bin/sh on interactive shell users that, you know, actually use their shell |
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| 16:18.27 | dwfreed | Vimp: since you apparently don't have compatible rc scripts, do "chsh vimp" as root and enter "/bin/bash" at the prompt |
| 16:18.30 | Vimp | i see jelly , thanks for the info |
| 16:19.03 | dwfreed | Note: you'll need to remove the quotes when you enter that |
| 16:19.08 | jelly | ... |
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| 16:19.13 | DelphiWorld | Re Folks! |
| 16:19.14 | DelphiWorld | usb 4-2.4: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub |
| 16:19.19 | Vimp | it works dwfreed, thansk , is there a way to use a tool to point /bin/sh to the bash |
| 16:19.21 | DelphiWorld | what do this mean ? |
| 16:19.26 | Vimp | or i should do that by hand |
| 16:19.40 | DelphiWorld | Vimp: everything is done by hand :) |
| 16:19.49 | jelly | DelphiWorld: which Debian release are you using and which kernel (uname -r)? |
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| 16:20.10 | DelphiWorld | jelly: 3.0.0-2-686-pae |
| 16:20.22 | DelphiWorld | jelly: root@debian:/usr/src/linuxmedia/v4l-dvb# c at / et c/ d e b i an_version |
| 16:20.22 | DelphiWorld | wheezy/sid |
| 16:20.23 | DelphiWorld | root@debian:/usr/src/linuxmedia/v4l-dvb# |
| 16:20.30 | Vimp | DelphiWorld , i mean if some package from the repository exclusively needs /bin/sh to be pointed to dash |
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| 16:20.39 | jelly | DelphiWorld: lsb_release -sc ? |
| 16:20.41 | Vimp | a t least it was changed by some package during the update |
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| 16:20.53 | dwfreed | Vimp: there usually is no reason to change that symlink; the better choice would be to set your users' shells to /bin/bash or whatever they prefer |
| 16:21.14 | DelphiWorld | sory jelly i am apt-getting lsb |
| 16:21.41 | Vimp | i see |
| 16:21.43 | jelly | dwfreed: he's saying it had pointed to before the -> testing -> sid upgrade |
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| 16:21.56 | jelly | to bash dammit |
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| 16:22.22 | dwfreed | jelly: except squeeze does /bin/sh -> dash by default |
| 16:22.28 | jelly | which I find unlikely if it was a squeeze initial installation but... |
| 16:22.54 | Vimp | but then the problem with the rc user scripts, .profile should be in the skell folder? |
| 16:22.58 | travkin | is there someone who uses kernel 3.0 in debian and share kernel config from /boot with me? |
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| 16:23.15 | Vimp | i mean why they do not support dash and is there a way to update my current user .profile |
| 16:23.17 | jelly | Vimp: did you change your "vimp" user's dot files? |
| 16:23.17 | Vimp | to support dash |
| 16:23.29 | thewanderer1 | travkin, for my 3.1-rc5+ there is nothing of special interest... just normal parameters like for 2.* |
| 16:23.33 | Vimp | what do you mean by change them ? |
| 16:23.34 | slashdevnull | Good moring/afternoon/evening, Debianites. I was wondering if someone could provide an answer for me as to which approach is most appropriate to use in a Lenny system to set static routes to be persistent across reboots: Adding "up" lines in the interfaces file, or having something like an "addroute" file in /etc/up.d/ ? |
| 16:23.42 | cthuluh | Vimp: pastebin the default /etc/skel/.profile, please |
| 16:23.43 | thewanderer1 | travkin, or did you mean the actual .config? |
| 16:23.47 | travkin | thewanderer1, actual .config |
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| 16:24.03 | travkin | thewanderer1, i got only 2.6.32, just wanna see if SCHED_AUTOGROUP and some other options are enabled by default, but got only Debian Stable as workstations |
| 16:24.12 | Vimp | http://pastebin.com/qY7aGUnB |
| 16:24.14 | travkin | i downloaded sources from sid, but there's no actual .config in it |
| 16:24.31 | thewanderer1 | travkin, I compiled using the Debian's stock config but did tweak it to my needs, so I think I enabled SCHED_AUTOGROUP |
| 16:24.43 | jhutchins_lt | slashdevnull: Interfaces file I think. |
| 16:24.47 | thewanderer1 | basically set all new options to my liking :P |
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| 16:25.01 | cthuluh | Vimp: there's nothing wrong in this .profile, so you modified yours |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | DelphiWorld: oh, no need if you don't have it already. try to connect the device to some other USB port. If you are using a hub, try to connect it directly to the machine instead |
| 16:25.37 | travkin | thewanderer1, anyway, wanna see actual .config in linux-image-3.0.0 that's in wheezy/sid. maybe you got it? |
| 16:25.37 | Vimp | cthuluh, i'm trying to figure out when in the future to use useradd program, not to experience problems |
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| 16:25.52 | slashdevnull | jhutchins_lt: Thanks. I believe so as well. I was just looking for Debian documentation to back that up. I see that approach in man 5 interfaces, but don't know if it's the "only" ore "preferred" method. I'm trying to get others on my team to get on board with a standard config. |
| 16:25.52 | thewanderer1 | travkin, not really, sorry, I compiled my own from linus' git |
| 16:25.54 | nvictor | hey |
| 16:25.57 | travkin | if you got it installed - it's in your /boot/config.* |
| 16:26.02 | travkin | ah, ok |
| 16:26.04 | Vimp | i mean by default the rc scripts to be dash compatible , as it seems squeeze use dash by default |
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| 16:26.22 | nvictor | ok i tried this PYTHONPATH=PYTHONPATH:~/new/path python script.py |
| 16:26.26 | nvictor | it's not working |
| 16:26.34 | cthuluh | Vimp: the default "rc" scripts *are* dash compatible ; your modifications aren't |
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| 16:26.44 | nvictor | how can i keep the old PYTHONPATH var? |
| 16:26.49 | cthuluh | Vimp: just paste your /home/vimp/.profile |
| 16:27.09 | jelly | slashdevnull: adding up or post-up lines to interfaces(5) stanzas is probably simpler and easier to remember and find out about, later |
| 16:27.11 | Vimp | but cthuluh, i created new user just right now, and i can not login in it , because of the dash problem |
| 16:27.17 | xshad | nvictor, export PYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH:/new/path |
| 16:27.30 | thewanderer1 | slashdevnull, it's cleaner in interfaces than in up.d because you can specify per-interface rules instead of global scripts with a giant case ... esac... |
| 16:27.37 | cthuluh | Vimp: so this user has no .profile? |
| 16:28.03 | Vimp | http://pastebin.com/qBwkgtYp that's the profile of my new user cthuluh |
| 16:28.24 | Vimp | it has , i created it with -m paramether , so the skell is copied on the home folder |
| 16:28.42 | slashdevnull | jelly, theewanderer1: I agree. Just looking for doco. I'll keep looking. Thanks. |
| 16:29.01 | cthuluh | Vimp: try this: ''BASH_VERSION= su vimp'' |
| 16:29.01 | Vimp | and still it's not working with dash it seems, also dash alone is not working when starting it on a root prompt |
| 16:29.02 | nvictor | xshad: thanks life saver \ D: |
| 16:29.07 | nvictor | o/ |
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| 16:29.31 | ErVito | hi guyz |
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| 16:29.45 | DelphiWorld | jelly: http://pastebin.com/jybmaa2K |
| 16:30.05 | jelly | Vimp: can you pastebin also the output of dpkg -l dpkg libc6 bash dash; ls -la /etc/skel/ |
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| 16:30.28 | Vimp | it's working cthuluh, but i dont get it how to make general fix |
| 16:30.28 | jelly | Vimp: while we're at it, add also apt to that dpkg -l line ;-) |
| 16:30.40 | ErVito | i installed debian yesterday and although i specified to want xfce it rebooted in cli-mode and then i installed xfce manually |
| 16:30.47 | cthuluh | Vimp: there's no need for a general fix ; just use su - vimp |
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| 16:31.35 | xshad | ErVito, wiki.debian.org/Xfce might help |
| 16:31.54 | ErVito | how can i make debian boot graphically?? |
| 16:32.08 | Vimp | ok thanks for the support guys, wish you great evening :) |
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| 16:32.19 | Lazarus2 | hello |
| 16:32.19 | xshad | ErVito, http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system |
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| 16:32.26 | Vimp | special thanks to everyone that commented my issue |
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| 16:32.39 | jelly | xshad: why do you think it's not installed already? |
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| 16:33.15 | xshad | jelly, it's installed as he said, but this site has also the configuration part :) |
| 16:33.23 | Lazarus2 | guys, if I want my debian to be newer then stable, what shoild I write in my sources.list? sid? testing? or, maybe, experimental? what? |
| 16:33.52 | ErVito | xshad: i read it, so, one other question, it should be enough to do this: For startx add in file ~/.xinitrc: exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 |
| 16:33.55 | ErVito | right? |
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| 16:34.23 | cthuluh | Lazarus2: see if the packages in the backports repo are enough ; else, try testing. please avoid sid unless you *know* what you're doing |
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| 16:34.43 | xshad | ErVito, yes |
| 16:34.50 | jelly | ErVito: It's probably easier to just install a graphical login manager instead of using startxfce4 |
| 16:35.02 | Lazarus2 | cthuluh, as I have understood, testing is more stable then sid, right? |
| 16:35.06 | xshad | gdm should manage it |
| 16:35.13 | ksk | Lazarus2: it is |
| 16:35.14 | cthuluh | Lazarus2: yes |
| 16:35.25 | ErVito | jelly: yes |
| 16:35.37 | xshad | or xdm |
| 16:35.39 | jelly | ErVito: is gdm or gdm3 package installed? |
| 16:35.43 | Lazarus2 | ksk, cthuluh: packages come to testing from sid, right? |
| 16:35.51 | ErVito | so, we can agree the better solution is to install xdm |
| 16:35.52 | ErVito | ? |
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| 16:36.05 | ErVito | jelly: how can i verify it? |
| 16:36.12 | cthuluh | Lazarus2: again, yes |
| 16:36.14 | jelly | ErVito: dpkg -l gdm\* |grep ^.i |
| 16:36.14 | ksk | maybe :> |
| 16:36.32 | ErVito | jelly: give me a second |
| 16:36.36 | ksk | anyways, you should have a reason to move away from stable - eg "i need this software in version x" |
| 16:36.37 | Lazarus2 | cthuluh, ksk thank you very much |
| 16:37.37 | jelly | DelphiWorld: I'm at a loss, may of your devices on usb buses 1 and 4 seem to report that message. It might be a driver issue. |
| 16:38.03 | jelly | DelphiWorld: many* devices. Did USB2 speeds work with an eariler kernel? |
| 16:38.22 | DelphiWorld | jelly: not sure |
| 16:38.29 | Lazarus2 | ksk, I just want a newer software |
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| 16:38.51 | Lazarus2 | ksk, even need it |
| 16:39.10 | jelly | Lazarus2: which newer software bits do you need? |
| 16:39.15 | ErVito | jelly: it doesn't return anything, so gdm? |
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| 16:39.31 | jelly | ErVito: so none are installed |
| 16:39.54 | ErVito | jelly: cool, so, what do i need? |
| 16:39.55 | jelly | ErVito: yeah, aptitude -R install gdm |
| 16:39.58 | Lazarus2 | jelly, newermind :) I just had some problems in stable because my hardware isn't supported |
| 16:40.00 | ErVito | okaey |
| 16:40.06 | xshad | not xdm ? |
| 16:40.13 | xshad | they do the same... nvm |
| 16:40.17 | ErVito | quote ^ |
| 16:40.21 | jelly | Lazarus2: that means you need newer drivers, not all the software |
| 16:40.30 | ErVito | jelly: xdm? |
| 16:40.31 | Lazarus2 | jelly, ok |
| 16:40.47 | jelly | ErVito: eh, whichever one, but xdm is one ugly thing! |
| 16:41.13 | ErVito | lol |
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| 16:42.20 | ska | Is there a standard way to keep a debian clock sync'ed to ntp servers? |
| 16:42.29 | ska | Without running ntpd.. |
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| 16:46.09 | cthuluh | ska: ntpdate, I guess |
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| 16:46.36 | SuperNull | uhg i have an ancient debian install with ssh key vulnerabilities.. is there a way to make it not vulnerable with existing software ? (im trying to get this box to ssh with no password to execute commands) |
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| 16:46.49 | jelly | ska: what's wrong with ntpd |
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| 16:48.04 | jelly | SuperNull: there are updates for etch covering that vulenrability available in the archived etch repos. /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
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| 16:48.22 | ska | jelly: its a small VPS system, and I don't want to run too many daemons on it, no matter how small they may (or may not) be. |
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| 16:49.07 | jelly | ska: do you want to run cron? |
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| 16:49.49 | SuperNull | jelly i guess.. i will cross my fingers it doesn't break other in use software lol |
| 16:49.50 | ska | jelly: I have to run cron yea. |
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| 16:50.10 | jacobw | i have a squeeze network install iso, what is the fastest way to install testing? |
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| 16:50.32 | SuperNull | jacobw vmware ? |
| 16:50.36 | jelly | ska: so if you want to save about 1MiB of RESident memory, use ntpdate from cron instead of ntp(-server). |
| 16:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | ska: You can run ntpdate in a cron job, but ntpd is really the right way to do it. |
| 16:50.53 | mic_p | hi all. I'm trying to find informations about pam |
| 16:51.02 | SuperNull | Whos pam ? |
| 16:51.05 | jhutchins_lt | ska: Virtual machines are notoriously bad at timekeeping. |
| 16:51.07 | somiaj | jacobw: install the base system (Say no to tasksel and additonal packages at the end). dist-upgrade the base system to wheezy. Continue installing the rest of the software you want. |
| 16:51.07 | SuperNull | is she cute? |
| 16:51.10 | jelly | SuperNull: har harr. |
| 16:51.20 | jacobw | somiaj: thanks :) |
| 16:51.26 | SuperNull | ;-) |
| 16:51.36 | SuperNull | is there radius pam module for deb? |
| 16:51.38 | mic_p | SuperNull: misswrote |
| 16:51.43 | SuperNull | that would be slightly exciting |
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| 16:52.11 | jelly | SuperNull: "apt-cache search radius pam" might answer that question |
| 16:52.21 | SuperNull | it might. |
| 16:52.39 | SuperNull | ;-) i will try after this upgrade process is success. |
| 16:53.11 | jelly | SuperNull: you can do it right way, as a normal user |
| 16:53.12 | mic_p | I'm trying to found information about pam that authenticate users into a ldap server without installing openldap-server. all the howtos are referring to a ldap server installed on the same debian-box. someone? |
| 16:53.19 | jelly | right away* |
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| 16:53.45 | jelly | mic_p: libpam-ldap is your friend (and your enemy) |
| 16:54.03 | jelly | works against win2003 or 2008 AD |
| 16:54.31 | jmosco | mic_p: check out winbind |
| 16:54.35 | SuperNull | jelly i guess im getting at i am unsure what is going to break if anything from the upgrade ;-) |
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| 16:54.56 | mic_p | <jelly>: I don't like winbind and all the samba* connected... |
| 16:55.20 | jelly | SuperNull: nothing, apt-cache search doesn't modify apt or dpkg databases and does not lock them |
| 16:55.45 | jelly | mic_p: I didn't suggest those. |
| 16:56.06 | mic_p | <jelly>: libpam-ldap can auth my box to an ad controller througt? |
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| 16:56.31 | jelly | mic_p: that's EXACTLY what I meant by "<jelly> works against win2003 or 2008 AD" yes |
| 16:56.43 | mic_p | ok. i'll try |
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| 16:58.16 | jelly | mic_p: it can be a bitch to debug, when you configure pam module with "debug" option, libldap dumps output to fd 2, and if your app uses file descriptor 2 for something other than stderr output, it magically screws up things |
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| 16:58.34 | DarsVaeda | hi, I experience problems connecting automatically to a hidden wireless network - I connect with wicd (xcfe) but it shows my network as \x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00 and if I try to connect manually I get "bad passphrase" back, after searching for a hidden network for a while it will eventually work...how do I set debian up to automatically connect to the hidden network? |
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| 16:58.39 | ErVito | jelly: i expected something ugly, BUT NOT _SO UGLY |
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| 16:58.44 | ErVito | lol |
| 16:58.44 | jelly | mic_p: guess what the TACACS+ tac_plus daemon does :-) |
| 16:59.12 | mic_p | bad news... |
| 16:59.13 | jelly | ErVito: brought to you by the OpenLDAP people |
| 16:59.26 | mic_p | bad news for the debug, I mean |
| 16:59.32 | jelly | I mean, it works when it works :-) |
| 16:59.44 | mic_p | I'll try also with tacacs! |
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| 16:59.47 | sinapsi | hi |
| 16:59.48 | mic_p | thanks a lot |
| 17:00.02 | sinapsi | i tried to update from debian 6.0 stable to testing.... |
| 17:00.16 | sinapsi | now when i startup the computer gdm has a green background and i can't log in ;_; |
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| 17:00.54 | jelly | sinapsi: can you login at the text console? |
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| 17:01.05 | GapSpark | hello fuckers |
| 17:01.06 | sinapsi | yep |
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| 17:01.15 | sinapsi | now i am froma text console :) |
| 17:01.21 | sinapsi | jelly * |
| 17:01.40 | GapSpark | can someone ban jelly? |
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| 17:01.50 | GapSpark | he is running a irc war script or something |
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| 17:03.15 | jelly | sinapsi: alright. to exclude your user's config files are at fault, create a new user (as root, with adduser for example), give them a password, and try to log in via gdm as the new user |
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| 17:03.47 | sinapsi | ok, i try |
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| 17:03.56 | sinapsi | but |
| 17:04.06 | sinapsi | from gdm i can not log neither as root |
| 17:04.14 | GapSpark | jelly why dont you fuck off and stop that ctcp attack? |
| 17:04.17 | sinapsi | gdm doesn't show me the menu |
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| 17:04.54 | jelly | sinapsi: hmm. is gdm or gdm3 installed at the moment? |
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| 17:05.06 | sinapsi | gdm3 |
| 17:05.57 | themill | GapSpark: play elsewhere |
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| 17:06.22 | jelly | sinapsi: oh right, gdm doesn't exist in testing any more. just for fun, can you try installing and choosing xdm as the prefered login manager and see if it works? |
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| 17:07.03 | sinapsi | i am from a very slow connection, is xdm big? |
| 17:07.13 | sinapsi | my connection now is 32kps ;_; |
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| 17:07.23 | sinapsi | *32kbps |
| 17:08.34 | jelly | sinapsi: I don't think it's too big: aptitude -s install xdm will do a dry run |
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| 17:09.08 | SuperNull | some intense upgrading going on. |
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| 17:09.59 | sinapsi | it would download only 177 kB :) |
| 17:10.01 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... Is there any file manager that have searching files integrated in it (for xfce ) ? |
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| 17:11.50 | thelastninja | I added some extra lines to my sources.list and had some updating with aptitude ( specially wx* packages ). Now when I reboot my squeeze, I go to runlevel 2 and have run startx manually. What is happend and how can I force my debian to go directly to graphical mode ? |
| 17:11.53 | sinapsi | (with dipendencies not resolved) |
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| 17:13.23 | Bushmills | "some extra lines" may have killed your display manager |
| 17:13.24 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker, open the console, type `man mlocate`... and behold :) |
| 17:13.42 | Bushmills | install one again |
| 17:13.49 | cobra-the-joker | thewanderer1, thats not what i meant ... at all :D |
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| 17:14.34 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker, but it's the fastest and the lightest you can possibly get :D (you can write a graphical wrapper... :P ) |
| 17:14.50 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
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| 17:15.46 | cobra-the-joker | thewanderer1, there is some graphical applications using mlocate but i want it to be integrated inside thunar maybe |
| 17:16.05 | cobra-the-joker | catfish is a good one ... but it is a stand alone application |
| 17:16.07 | sinapsi | jelly: it's removing gnome |
| 17:16.09 | sinapsi | :O |
| 17:16.22 | Bushmills | cobra-the-joker: midnight commander allows you to panelize files produced as output of a command. |
| 17:16.23 | jelly | sinapsi: oh noes |
| 17:16.30 | jelly | don't let it |
| 17:16.54 | jelly | sinapsi: pastebin the full output of the aptitude command you tried to run |
| 17:17.07 | Bushmills | means, you could run, per menu, a find command with the results being displayed and navigatable in one of its panels |
| 17:17.08 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker, or hack thunar :) |
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| 17:17.35 | cobra-the-joker | thewanderer1, maybe i will |
| 17:17.45 | sinapsi | jelly: i removed the -s to yours |
| 17:17.59 | Bushmills | could also be output of locate instead of find, if one likes |
| 17:18.38 | cobra-the-joker | hmm |
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| 17:19.04 | jelly | sinapsi: I realize that. Pastebin the full output of what happened after that, don't ^C it just yet |
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| 17:19.52 | sinapsi | i don't know how to copy the output |
| 17:20.01 | sinapsi | i'm not from x :P |
| 17:20.06 | jelly | oh, right |
| 17:20.24 | jelly | sinapsi: haha, well then, install pastebinit first :-D |
| 17:20.35 | jelly | does it also try to remove gnome? |
| 17:21.00 | jelly | if it does, install pastebinit using apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 17:21.57 | sinapsi | jelly: it removed gnome |
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| 17:22.09 | jelly | oops |
| 17:22.15 | jelly | why did you let it |
| 17:22.55 | sinapsi | it was cool i had to download only 177k :) |
| 17:23.07 | mufflon_ | hi |
| 17:23.07 | jelly | sinapsi: how many other packages did it remove? |
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| 17:23.29 | Sylnai | does anyone happen to know how to regenerate the checksum on a remastered debian .iso? |
| 17:23.32 | sinapsi | i dont know. if i do startx now, the background is black |
| 17:23.39 | sinapsi | the pointer of the mouse is black |
| 17:23.47 | sinapsi | and there's nothing but black :D |
| 17:24.02 | jelly | sinapsi: no login prompt? |
| 17:24.42 | sinapsi | no |
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| 17:24.58 | jelly | ho-hum. So it's not gdm. :-) |
| 17:25.07 | sinapsi | now i see login |
| 17:25.09 | sinapsi | :D |
| 17:25.11 | sinapsi | i did restart |
| 17:25.13 | sinapsi | :) |
| 17:25.47 | sinapsi | gdm works |
| 17:25.50 | sinapsi | but... gnome is not here any more XD |
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| 17:26.01 | sinapsi | a little desktop manager? :) |
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| 17:26.44 | jelly | it was not a great idea to let apt remove things if you only have a 32k pipe to download them again |
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| 17:27.12 | sinapsi | :D |
| 17:27.53 | sinapsi | fluxbox is only 2mB |
| 17:27.59 | sinapsi | i tri to aptitude install fluxbox? |
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| 17:28.20 | EvilusPL | yea... |
| 17:28.43 | sinapsi | jelly: * |
| 17:29.21 | jelly | sinapsi: no, asterisk will not help you with window manager issues |
| 17:30.01 | sinapsi | lol |
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| 17:30.34 | sinapsi | jelly: i was meaning, can i try to do what i wrote before the asterisk? :D |
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| 17:35.04 | jelly | sinapsi: well that will give you a working wm, so yeah |
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| 17:35.43 | jelly | sinapsi: I missed it, did "removing gnome" wipe LOTS of packages from the system, or just the "gnome" named one? |
| 17:36.07 | sinapsi | i don't know jelly |
| 17:36.25 | sinapsi | it touched many things :D |
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| 17:37.24 | jelly | feels touched |
| 17:37.35 | jelly | runs away and lets the trolls play |
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| 17:39.07 | Bushmills | debian packets may still be in apt's cache |
| 17:39.52 | Bushmills | packages, even |
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| 17:43.06 | NickBelhomme | I did an system upgrade yesterday and all of the sudden my system menu is incomplete: it is missing administration and preferences... |
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| 17:44.49 | jhutchins_lt | NickBelhomme: Which release? |
| 17:45.08 | abrotman | and which DE? |
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| 17:46.15 | NickBelhomme | gnome 2.30.2 |
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| 17:47.36 | NickBelhomme | cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-38) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 04:15:24 UTC 2011 |
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| 17:50.09 | NickBelhomme | jhutchins_lt, abrotman any ideas? |
| 17:50.58 | travkin | NickBelhomme, I did an system upgrade yesterdya too, and it's fine. check out if you have installed gnome-system-tools |
| 17:51.00 | thelastninja | NickBelhomme: I also had some updating and lost my GUI, but again I installed gdm using "aptitude install gdm" and also gdm3: "aptitude install gdm3" also I had to install "gnome-screensaver" and "gtk2-engines" and "gtk2-engines-pixbuf" then I came back to GUI |
| 17:51.13 | travkin | it's responsible for Administration section |
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| 17:52.07 | NickBelhomme | travkin, it is now installing the gnome-system-tools |
| 17:52.29 | NickBelhomme | it was not installed. But if it is needed, than is was deleted, because before I had my pref and admin menu |
| 17:52.46 | NickBelhomme | it is removing a lot of stuff |
| 17:53.06 | NickBelhomme | wow, the install removes A LOT! |
| 17:53.27 | travkin | lol cancel it and install every package that's mean as NOT required |
| 17:53.49 | travkin | it will be set to manual installed |
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| 17:54.42 | NickBelhomme | Current status: 385 updates [-260] |
| 17:55.01 | NickBelhomme | :'( |
| 17:55.08 | travkin | NickBelhomme, are you sure that your sources.list is OK, and there's no testing/unstable? |
| 17:55.11 | NickBelhomme | now I lost all my applications menu |
| 17:55.33 | NickBelhomme | but the admin and pref is there, BUT with only 1 item in there |
| 17:56.22 | NickBelhomme | I added: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib to the sources.list |
| 17:56.39 | jhutchins_lt | NickBelhomme: And you wonder why it broke? |
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| 17:57.01 | NickBelhomme | jhutchins_lt, Ok I fucked up by putting sid in there |
| 17:57.02 | jhutchins_lt | I think that would be the expected outcome for frankendebian. |
| 17:57.16 | NickBelhomme | but it was needed for flash |
| 17:57.25 | NickBelhomme | flash-free-plugin or something |
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| 17:57.34 | travkin | flashplugin-nonfree is included in squeeze/non-free |
| 17:57.42 | NickBelhomme | how can I revert to a good state? |
| 17:57.42 | travkin | why sid, lol? |
| 17:57.52 | NickBelhomme | because a stupid blog site said so |
| 17:57.58 | NickBelhomme | and I am a semi noob :D |
| 17:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, well, there's the lesson. |
| 17:58.19 | NickBelhomme | lesson learned |
| 17:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | NickBelhomme: Are you running 32 or 64? |
| 17:58.23 | NickBelhomme | so how do I revert |
| 17:58.26 | NickBelhomme | 32 |
| 17:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | flashpluggin-nonfree is just fine in stable. |
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| 17:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | !partial downgrade |
| 17:58.49 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
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| 17:59.31 | jhutchins_lt | NickBelhomme: Ideally you would restore the backup you made before making a serious change in the system. |
| 17:59.45 | NickBelhomme | lol jhutchins_lt NOW you make me laugh |
| 17:59.46 | NickBelhomme | :D |
| 18:00.19 | NickBelhomme | I removed sid, update, upgrade => no change |
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| 18:02.39 | NickBelhomme | aaargh, so I guess I will have to re-install my entire debian system? right jhutchins_lt and travkin ? |
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| 18:03.00 | travkin | NickBelhomme, it can be fixed, but it requires some skills and understanding of the situation |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | NickBelhomme: you can try to force downgrades |
| 18:03.08 | travkin | NickBelhomme, first of all you have to fix your sources.list |
| 18:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | NickBelhomme: You can try what dpkg suggested above. It uses aptitude in menu mode. |
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| 18:03.38 | NickBelhomme | it is in original state except for the following line: deb http://apt.damz.org/debian squeeze php54 |
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| 18:03.57 | ods86 | hi, when i clone my debian virtual machine, the network card is gone. unless i use the same mac adress. is there a way to reconfigure the whole networking? |
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| 18:04.10 | travkin | NickBelhomme, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.12 | NickBelhomme | I probably do something wrong because an aptitude upgrade had no effect |
| 18:04.27 | NickBelhomme | I have no clue which packages were wrongly upgraded yesterday |
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| 18:05.10 | NickBelhomme | travkin, tried both, both to no avail |
| 18:05.31 | NickBelhomme | dist-upgrade all 0 upgraded, installed, removed |
| 18:07.36 | web21 | If I do a "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" that should build me a package with debugging information built in, should it not? |
| 18:07.57 | travkin | NickBelhomme, try with -f |
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| 18:08.39 | NickBelhomme | apt-get -f dist-upgrade => 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgrad |
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| 18:08.57 | zaxonspox | hello, did any one useses GPT on his HDD? |
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| 18:09.40 | elliott | To upgrade from oldstable to testing, should I first upgrade to stable? |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | elliott: skipping releases has not ever been supported |
| 18:10.19 | elliott | Right. Just checking :) Thanks |
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| 18:10.36 | abrotman | (not that i'm aware of .. ) |
| 18:10.40 | NickBelhomme | jhutchins_lt, I tried in menu mode but how can I find the upgraded packages. It is an endless tree of installed packages... |
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| 18:10.51 | NickBelhomme | And I have no clue on what is wrong... |
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| 18:11.19 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 18:11.19 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
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| 18:12.28 | tabakhase | hi there, im trying to "permanent install" a module, following the manual echo "install iptable_nat modprobe iptable_nat" > /etc/modprobe.d/myCustom should work, "but it dosnt" |
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| 18:12.39 | NickBelhomme | ok will do a re-install: niiiice |
| 18:12.47 | NickBelhomme | this will teach me to stay away from sid |
| 18:13.17 | travkin | this will teach you from merging two branches without using correct priorities |
| 18:13.27 | travkin | stay away from blogs :D |
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| 18:13.39 | chowder | hey all. aptitude-gtk starts without needing my root password. I initially set it to "remember my password this session." I didn't realize that it would be permanent for my xfce session (my main session). Does anyone know how to reset this? |
| 18:13.48 | NickBelhomme | the thing is travkin I first tried aptitude search flash |
| 18:13.56 | NickBelhomme | and the plugin-free was not found |
| 18:14.07 | travkin | because in your sources.list non-free branch was not activated |
| 18:14.12 | NickBelhomme | plugin-nonfree |
| 18:14.20 | travkin | it have to look like: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:14.30 | NickBelhomme | now I know :D |
| 18:14.32 | NickBelhomme | the hard way |
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| 18:15.49 | NickBelhomme | for a clean install, WITH keeping my /home (separate partition) how do I proceed? I just boot with the cd, and take new install? Will it detect my home partition and safe it? |
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| 18:16.21 | chowder | NickBelhomme: choose "manually configure partitions" from the install menu |
| 18:16.24 | erchache2000 | how many dvd's are sparc install? |
| 18:16.56 | chowder | erchache2000: I'm sure you can just use the netinst iso |
| 18:17.23 | NickBelhomme | ok see you in a bit |
| 18:17.27 | NickBelhomme | going for re-install |
| 18:17.28 | travkin | NickBelhomme, yes, use "manually configure partitions" and set for your /home partition corrent mountpoint |
| 18:17.33 | erchache2000 | chowder ok i'll try it |
| 18:17.33 | travkin | correct* |
| 18:17.47 | NickBelhomme | travkin, it will not format my existing /home |
| 18:17.56 | travkin | if you will not set FORMAT THE PARTITION - not |
| 18:18.03 | travkin | by default it's set to No |
| 18:18.05 | travkin | be careful |
| 18:18.12 | NickBelhomme | ok will pay attention thx |
| 18:18.16 | erchache2000 | chowder: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/sparc/bt-cd/debian-6.0.3-sparc-netinst.iso.torrent this? |
| 18:18.29 | chowder | erchache2000: looks right to me |
| 18:18.37 | erchache2000 | thanks |
| 18:18.53 | chowder | erchache2000: depends which version you want, though. Are you going to be using stable, unstable, or testing? |
| 18:19.08 | erchache2000 | squeeze |
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| 18:19.21 | erchache2000 | chowder: squeeze |
| 18:20.29 | chowder | erchache2000: I think you're good. Where did you get a sparc machine anyway? Is it old or new? |
| 18:20.31 | erchache2000 | chowder: i have an older r220 without oracle contract support and wants to recicle it |
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| 18:20.53 | chowder | erchache2000: fileserver/hardware firewall! |
| 18:21.00 | chowder | that's what I'd do anyway |
| 18:21.05 | erchache2000 | SAMP :-P |
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| 18:21.37 | erchache2000 | i have one r220 for apache and two r440 with two d1000 for mysql ha |
| 18:21.44 | erchache2000 | percona ha excuse me :-P |
| 18:22.07 | chowder | well, have fun. Debian is fairly easy to get up and running. |
| 18:22.40 | erchache2000 | chowder: im not n00b on debian/ubuntu :-P its only for fun and profit :-D |
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| 18:23.19 | chowder | erchache2000: oh, well, in that case this should just be lots of fun. I wanted to make a debian cluster with a few machines but I need an extra ethernet card |
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| 18:23.46 | erchache2000 | chowder: im using qfe4 |
| 18:24.27 | chowder | erchache2000: I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with that term |
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| 18:24.34 | erchache2000 | :-P |
| 18:25.02 | Ryccardo | I remember using some Linux distro in the early 2000's (on another PC of course) -- why did my hard drives change from "/dev/hd?" to "sd?"? I haven't replaced anything since I bought that computer for 80 € in 2002 |
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| 18:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ryccardo: I think that was etch -> lenny |
| 18:26.01 | jhutchins_lt | Ryccardo: It's the consolidation of the ATA and SCSI code. |
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| 18:28.36 | chowder | nevermind about my last question. I figured out how to remove the keyring on my own. |
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| 18:29.24 | Ryccardo | Hmmm, interesting. It has caused me quite a few problems due to me being used to think "the first USB drive is sda" :> |
| 18:29.41 | chowder | Ryccardo: if that confuses you then you should see how FreeBSD names their disks. |
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| 18:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | Ryccardo: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.39.tar.gz |
| 18:30.31 | bazik | hey, anyone happen to have a 'no space left on device error' while installing a kernel? talking about latest daily wheezy image on amd64 in a virtualbox here |
| 18:30.36 | ompaul | Ryccardo: it is not always usb it could be sata or etc etc |
| 18:30.48 | jordanm | bazik: sounds like your /boot is full |
| 18:31.00 | bazik | it got 300meg in that virtual machine |
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| 18:31.10 | ompaul | that's tine |
| 18:31.12 | ompaul | tiny |
| 18:31.29 | Ryccardo | ik, but the PC was made in 1998... so I always assumed that IDE = hd* = internal and sd* = external |
| 18:31.37 | newstandards | does anyone know how to encrypt Squids initial authentication with tls? |
| 18:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | Ryccardo: Sorry, wrong nic... |
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| 18:31.45 | Ryccardo | no problem |
| 18:31.47 | ompaul | Ryccardo: it was made in 98 and it is still running? |
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| 18:32.20 | bazik | 300meg tiny? the laptop i'm sitting on has 200meg boot and only 21meg used :P and its running wheezy too |
| 18:32.38 | Ryccardo | yeah, picked it up for 80 € by a large corporation who was throwing it away in 2005. 833MHz/128MB (upgraded to 256)/10GB :) |
| 18:32.50 | bazik | its actually no issue, installing squeeze works fine (and then upgrading to wheezy)... i was just curious if that happens to anyone else |
| 18:33.04 | Ryccardo | *from |
| 18:33.12 | ompaul | bazik: pastebin df -h please |
| 18:33.20 | ompaul | bazik: at paste.debian.net |
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| 18:33.41 | AciD__ | hi |
| 18:33.46 | bazik | can't, its a virtual machine and i just install it with squeeze |
| 18:33.52 | bazik | as i said, 300 meg /boot |
| 18:34.00 | bazik | 10gb / if that matters |
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| 18:34.23 | bazik | i'm using linux since ages, so i guess i know how to check if my disk is full :P |
| 18:34.43 | ompaul | a full wheezy is about 550 megs if I recall correctly [19:31:00] <bazik> it got 300meg in that virtual machine |
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| 18:35.11 | bazik | ompaul: for /boot |
| 18:35.18 | ompaul | bazik: you didn't say that at first |
| 18:35.19 | bazik | read again what i wrote :P |
| 18:35.29 | bazik | ... |
| 18:35.53 | bazik | i was answering jordanm who said that my /boot was full |
| 18:35.57 | bazik | thank you mr. obvious :P |
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| 18:36.21 | ompaul | bazik: good luck with that but I won't /nick obvious for ya |
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| 18:37.14 | AciD__ | I have a brand new MSI H61MA-E35 motherboard and somehow, my 2 sata disk aren't showing up in dmesg when booting (but they do get recognized by the motherboard in the boot sequence : the mb shows their names). How come ? |
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| 18:37.51 | AciD__ | if I unplug then replug the sata cables (which I changed for another pair, just in case), nothing change either in /var/log/messages |
| 18:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | AciD__: You don't have the driver for the controller chipset. |
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| 18:38.46 | AciD__ | that's possible |
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| 18:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | AciD__: Need to find out what the chipset is and see which kernel supports it. |
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| 18:40.14 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think kmuto has done anything for squeeze yet. |
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| 18:40.19 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 18:40.24 | AciD__ | jhutchins_lt: working on it |
| 18:40.31 | lancelot_of | why can't i find wine in deb wheezy repos? |
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| 18:41.15 | random`` | s |
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| 18:41.32 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions wine |
| 18:41.34 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 18:42.22 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: because noone is maintaining it at the moment (or has been for the last two years)! |
| 18:42.47 | popkill | lancelot_of: http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wine.html |
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| 18:43.19 | AciD__ | jhutchins_lt: ok, it looks like neither "SATAII controller integrated in Intel® H61 (B3) chipset" or "SATAIII controller integrated in Asmedia® 1061 chipset" is supported then. I'll stfw a bit more about those two |
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| 18:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Should be updated early in November - current testing package is only 3 days old. |
| 18:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | er, unstable package. |
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| 18:46.03 | seanp2k | OK, I log in at a console (no GUI login mgr) and I run 'startx' which starts fluxbox. ~/.fluxbox/startup isn't getting executed |
| 18:46.41 | seanp2k | when I try starting fluxbox with 'startfluxbox' as it says you need to do to get the 'startup' file to kick off, it just says 'unable to open display' because it's not starting Xserver |
| 18:46.53 | seanp2k | all I'm trying to do is get some stuff to run when Fluxbox starts |
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| 18:47.22 | qubits | Hello, who does Debian-Testing here? |
| 18:47.37 | qubits | I'd like to inquire about a bug in the latest build |
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| 18:47.47 | lancelot_of | ok thank you very much |
| 18:47.52 | lancelot_of | have a nice night |
| 18:47.53 | lancelot_of | bye |
| 18:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | I have a Gigabit motherboard that I couldn't install Etch on for a similar reason. Had to get an older model - never did get around to getting rid of it. |
| 18:48.21 | jelly-home | qubits: build of the testing installer? try #debian-boot channel on irc.debian.org |
| 18:49.43 | jelly-home | qubits: if you actually want to _run_ the debian testing distro, install a base system using the stable installer, and follow "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
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| 18:55.03 | AciD__ | jhutchins_lt: after tinkering, it seems it had to be related to an 'IDE compatibility mode" that had to be set to AHCI mode |
| 18:56.07 | AciD__ | is there a script that regenerate the /etc/fstab with uuid instead of /dev/xxx ? |
| 18:56.36 | AciD__ | migrating from etch to squeeze, my previous /etc/fstab was automatically changed so I assume there is one |
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| 19:00.49 | tehrabbitt_work | Hey, I found an HP thin client that well, runs a slimmed down and locked down version of debian... how hard do you think it would be to just wipe out what's on there, and install a fresh copy of debian with like, icewm or fluxbox all fitting on a small 512MB flash drive? |
| 19:00.54 | tehrabbitt_work | doable? |
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| 19:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | !uuid |
| 19:02.32 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 19:04.26 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt_work: depends on how thin it is, you might not want to wipe _everything_ and then be unable to boot _anything_ |
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| 19:04.34 | qubits | So, jelly-home |
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| 19:04.44 | qubits | You think that would help me with my grub problem? |
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| 19:06.08 | jelly-home | qubits: sorry, I don't see any lines about your grub problem in the log (and I'm usually not present in #debian-boot) |
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| 19:06.29 | karlpinc | AciD__: In the time you spend worrying about finding a script you could use tune2fs -l to find the uuids and edit the fstab file yourself. |
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| 19:07.15 | AciD__ | karlpinc: that was what I just did, and it works ! |
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| 19:07.48 | AciD__ | thank you all |
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| 19:09.52 | jelly-home | qubits: images of testing installers are often broken |
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| 19:10.29 | tehrabbitt_work | jelly-home: Well it's an HP FQ800AA#ABA Thin Client |
| 19:10.31 | jelly-home | qubits: they're meant for people to test the installer, not to install testing. No puns intended. |
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| 19:16.46 | simonlnu | wrong network |
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| 19:21.03 | AciD__ | oddly, debian still loads wrongly the r8169 module instead of the r8168 one, and a fix for that bug was reported in 2008 :/ |
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| 19:26.20 | caravel | Hello there |
| 19:26.28 | wibby | hi, i have a fresh debian net install and no network. can i use usb tethering over my phone? |
| 19:27.56 | jhutchins | AciD__: It's because the 69 was supposed to work with both models, but it doesn't. |
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| 19:29.55 | AciD__ | jhutchins_lt: iirc, the non bigmem kernel was supporting the network. I'll have to dig in that later.. |
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| 19:30.17 | caravel | I have a fresh netinstall, I chose "local" kernel install versus generic, placed / in a luks lvm. |
| 19:30.19 | caravel | At reboot, grub can handle the usb keyboard, but not initramfs (hence I can't enter the dm-crypt passphrase). USB keyboard os a belkin, controller is a geode companion (if it matters ?) How can I fix that ? |
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| 19:31.49 | caravel | knows how to chroot from a live install, but have no idea what to change in the config ^^ |
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| 19:36.09 | wibby | hmm, seems to be impossible on a nwtwork install... grr, how do i get intrrnet now |
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| 19:40.54 | caravel | wibby: je ne sais vraiment pas, mais il me semble qu'une distro comme clonezilla offre ce type d'option (pour contacter le serveur ou stocker la sauvegarde). Or, clonezilla est basée sur debian. As-tu regardé toutes les options des modes d'installation expert sur ta netinstall ? Ou les autres moutures de debian ? |
| 19:41.58 | wibby | phew, my french is rather rusty... |
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| 19:42.27 | caravel | wibby: oh sorry, switching channels, loosing which language to use :) |
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| 19:42.51 | caravel | wibby: I really don't know, but I think a distro like clonezilla offers such type of options |
| 19:43.11 | wibby | hmm |
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| 19:43.36 | caravel | wibby: (in order to contact the server where to store the backup image, at least) And clonezilla is based on debien |
| 19:43.40 | caravel | debian* |
| 19:43.59 | caravel | SO, have you looked at all options in debian netinstall "expert" install mode ? |
| 19:44.53 | caravel | wibby: Or to the other releases of debian ? i.e. cd, or even dvd ? I know, that kind of defeats the purpose of netinstall :) |
| 19:45.00 | wibby | not really, no. i wasnt even aware that the net install comes without a desktop environment... |
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| 19:45.25 | caravel | wibby: there are normal and expert modes, and for each, text or graphic modes |
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| 19:45.37 | wibby | yeah i kinda forgot that this pc doesnt have wifi |
| 19:46.21 | wibby | yep i saw that but the expert mode difnt show anything interesting for my pronlem |
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| 19:46.44 | caravel | wibby: here I installed the netinstall on a cat.5-enabled appliance, hence I don't know if netinstall's expert mode would have offered any other connection option (but it didn't) |
| 19:47.06 | wibby | i guesss i just have to drag the pc over to the router |
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| 19:51.03 | abrotman | wibby: what about your network isn't working ? |
| 19:52.08 | caravel | apparently it's a matter of distance... between the router and the pc :) |
| 19:52.19 | wibby | great, i connectred my computer to my router. now whatk? i didnt configure the nertwork during the installation |
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| 19:53.04 | wibby | yeah i just moved hrre an discovered a hole in yhe wall from my room to the router, hehe |
| 19:53.23 | iman | when I want to add vpn in network configuration, the new button in inactive, what it the problem ? |
| 19:53.53 | wibby | sry for my bad spelling, i'm typing on my phone... |
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| 19:58.48 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 19:58.49 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 19:58.51 | abrotman | wibby: ^^ |
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| 20:00.41 | wibby | isnt there an automated script fir setting the network up, like during the installation? |
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| 20:03.04 | abrotman | if you're using dhcp, it's not very difficult to do by hand |
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| 20:11.41 | sevard | Does anyone have a dpkg-buildpackage cheat sheet? I don't understand how many debian/ files are required or if there's an automated process for that |
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| 20:12.24 | dondelelcaro | sevard: man dh_make |
| 20:12.33 | sevard | ah, i don' thave dh_make |
| 20:12.37 | sevard | maybe that's what I've been missing. |
| 20:13.13 | dondelelcaro | sevard: or look at an existing package. But in any event, only debian/rules, debian/changelog and debian/control are required. |
| 20:13.33 | dondelelcaro | (though other files are required for packages in Debian) |
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| 20:29.45 | djura-san | hi. I can see daemons in /var/run/daemons/ on some distros but i cant find te quivalent in debian. Any suggestions? |
| 20:30.13 | djura-san | i wanna check status of daemons with that |
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| 20:36.53 | thewanderer1 | how do I find lines that are the same in 2 files? like the opposite of diff |
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| 20:39.42 | thewanderer1 | oh, "comm"... I assumed it'd be a parameter to diff :P |
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| 20:52.12 | pizza_biz | installing squeeze clean, not sure if i'm missing something obvious here. selected guided partion, LVM, separate /home /tmp /usr /var partitions. the partition sizes it chose are absurd, and i don't see a way to change the sizes. am i supposed to use manual instead? |
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| 20:52.47 | ompaul | pizza_biz: so pastebin df -h |
| 20:52.54 | deStone | if i am running mysql in a chroot and running apache in a seperate chroot -- can the php script i'm running on the apache server reference 'localhost' and connect to the mysql server? |
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| 20:54.58 | deStone | ok, well, the problem is more than /var/run/mysqld isnt available to connect to because i'm in a chroot |
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| 20:57.10 | pizza_biz | this is in the installer. i can drop to a shell, but df doesn't show anything meaningful. suffice to say, this will primarily be a mail server with no shell access. i need to decrease the size of /home and increase /var. |
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| 20:59.53 | jhutchins_lt | pizza_biz: Yes, if you don't like how auto does it, use manual. |
| 21:00.05 | jhutchins_lt | pizza_biz: I would recommend using a single partition + swap. |
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| 21:00.34 | jhutchins_lt | pizza_biz: If you chop it up into 5 partitions you are guaranteed to run out of space on one while there's plenty on another. |
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| 21:01.09 | tensorpudding | does the rescue mode on a debian disk provide a live environment? |
| 21:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | pizza_biz: I'd also recommend skipping LVM. |
| 21:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: It's meant to be a minimal rescue shell. |
| 21:01.46 | tensorpudding | all i need is to be able to mount a partition or two, and copy files |
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| 21:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Should be able to do that. |
| 21:02.17 | tensorpudding | wait |
| 21:02.23 | tensorpudding | it requires a debian install doesn't it |
| 21:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Not necessarily. |
| 21:02.42 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: I've used a knoppix live CD to "fix" a Windows install. |
| 21:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: It probably wouldn't be as good at rescuing the system, but it could be done, depending on the system. |
| 21:03.38 | tensorpudding | i'm talking about *debian* |
| 21:03.41 | tensorpudding | not knoppix |
| 21:03.44 | tensorpudding | and it doesn't seem to work |
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| 21:03.53 | tensorpudding | it probably lacks an ntfs driver |
| 21:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | Right, just an example of cross-platform ops. |
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| 21:04.10 | tensorpudding | the only reason i ask is because i didn't want to have to download a distro with a real live cd |
| 21:04.15 | tensorpudding | since i have a debian disk right here |
| 21:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, wouldn't be surprized if it lacked ntfs-3g |
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| 21:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: It should be able to at least read ntfs though. |
| 21:04.59 | tensorpudding | well, it couldn't mount it |
| 21:05.04 | jhutchins_lt | Ah well. |
| 21:05.19 | pizza_biz | hm. i suppose i'll just go with the single partition, and *if* it becomes an issue down the road, i can move /var or /home to another physical volume. so yeah, i figure drive performance will be about the same either way. |
| 21:05.25 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: You might want to grab something like systemrescuecd and keep it around. |
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| 21:05.59 | tensorpudding | damn inconvenient that i had to delete my ubuntu iso |
| 21:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | pizza_biz: Is the mail going to be stored in /var/spool/mail or in user directories on /home? |
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| 21:07.06 | pizza_biz | the former. |
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| 21:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | I had someone build a system for a web server, and they followed the auto scheme with a huge /home. /var/www and /var/spool/mail ran out of space, of course. |
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| 21:09.33 | tensorpudding | it's a big disk |
| 21:09.39 | tensorpudding | why can't they fit a live environment on it |
| 21:10.23 | pizza_biz | yeah, a 300GB /home made no sense whatsoever to me on this system (320GB SATA drive). |
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| 21:12.09 | tensorpudding | ugh |
| 21:12.11 | tensorpudding | what is this |
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| 21:12.16 | tensorpudding | mount is failing when i do it manually |
| 21:12.24 | tensorpudding | it says the file doesn't exist, when it blatantly does |
| 21:12.29 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: tell yourself about enter |
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| 21:13.16 | tensorpudding | so does the rescue shell just not work? |
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| 21:14.35 | DelphiWorld | Hey folks |
| 21:14.44 | DelphiWorld | i didn't yet found a driver to my USB dvb card ... :( |
| 21:14.48 | DelphiWorld | can please someone help me ? |
| 21:14.52 | tensorpudding | mounting /dev/sda3 on /target failed: no such file or directory |
| 21:14.55 | tensorpudding | but both files exist |
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| 21:15.11 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: /target is hopefully a directory? |
| 21:15.16 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 21:15.18 | tensorpudding | i created it |
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| 21:16.55 | DelphiWorld | Bus 005 Device 002: ID 13d0:2282 Techsan Electronics Co., Ltd. TechniSat DVB-PC TV Star 2 |
| 21:17.06 | DelphiWorld | i installed V4L-DVB drivers |
| 21:17.10 | DelphiWorld | but no luck at all. |
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| 21:17.28 | tensorpudding | debian rescue shell, you have failed me |
| 21:17.53 | garotosopa | Hi. I just noticed sun-java6-bin/jre/jdk are no longer available on testing or sid, even using non-free. Is it transitory or it's really out of Debian for good? |
| 21:18.18 | Zharf | pretty sure I installed them just this week in sid |
| 21:18.34 | garotosopa | I think it happened yesterday. |
| 21:18.48 | tensorpudding | it's gone forever |
| 21:18.51 | tensorpudding | license change |
| 21:19.07 | Zharf | luckily you can still get it from non-retarded repositories! ;) |
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| 21:19.23 | jelly-home | Zharf: with 1.6_29 updates? |
| 21:19.51 | jelly-home | wouldn't want an old vulnerable jvm would we |
| 21:20.03 | Zharf | did they suddenly stop creating them for linux at oracle? |
| 21:20.03 | garotosopa | Are there issues on using openjdk instead? |
| 21:20.12 | tensorpudding | for some people, anyway |
| 21:20.23 | Zharf | garotosopa, imo yes, but doesn't affect everyone |
| 21:20.27 | jelly-home | Zharf: they never made packages for Debian as far as I know |
| 21:20.32 | Zharf | especially if you're doing android dev it's not going to work |
| 21:20.34 | tensorpudding | wait, this is busy-box |
| 21:20.40 | tensorpudding | maybe it's busy-box's mount being junk |
| 21:20.47 | DelphiWorld | jelly: :) |
| 21:20.58 | Zharf | jelly-home, there's someone who will when debian makes this kind of a decision |
| 21:21.31 | Zharf | plus it really isn't so hard to install it on your own |
| 21:21.39 | jelly-home | Zharf: do you know of that person, or it that just wishful thinking |
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| 21:22.26 | Zharf | jelly-home, not really wishful, I couldn't care less if someone did or didn't, but someone might care... noot really all that hard to just install it the way it's supposed to |
| 21:22.30 | garotosopa | what is hard is to keep up with updates on my own. aptitude is way more convinient. |
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| 21:22.50 | Zharf | apt is also riddled with license retardness |
| 21:23.03 | Zharf | ends up getting most of his stuff manually these days |
| 21:23.32 | jelly-home | most? |
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| 21:23.46 | garotosopa | yeah Most doesn't sound right :P |
| 21:23.55 | Zharf | most. |
| 21:23.58 | jelly-home | I find Debian an excellent platform |
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| 21:24.15 | Zharf | I find it restricted but that's what linux has to offer anyway |
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| 21:24.55 | jelly-home | Zharf: so your system is more like linux-from-scratch than debian, counting source packages you got binaries from? |
| 21:25.13 | Dimitri7 | hi |
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| 21:26.00 | Zharf | jelly-home, suppose so |
| 21:26.29 | garotosopa | you'd probably have less work on gentoo then. |
| 21:26.36 | Zharf | meh |
| 21:26.59 | garotosopa | and you know, for one to say it's less work on gentoo there's something wrong :P |
| 21:27.21 | Zharf | it's not my fault someone is retarded about licensing |
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| 21:29.16 | garotosopa | I think it's a good thing Debian stays put to its policy no matter how inconveninent it can get |
| 21:29.48 | Dulak | I think I'm gonna move my workstation to sid today. |
| 21:30.00 | Zharf | Dulak, if you use gnome, don't |
| 21:30.12 | garotosopa | Dulak: are you running testing now? |
| 21:30.17 | zykotick9 | Zharf, Oracle's change of license for Java has nothing to do with Debian, it applies to all gnu/linux distros... |
| 21:30.22 | Dulak | no I'm on squeeze atm |
| 21:30.35 | Zharf | zykotick9, I realised, but it's still about being retarded with lisences |
| 21:30.37 | Dulak | I do use gnome, did they bork it in sid? |
| 21:30.42 | Zharf | or licenses |
| 21:30.48 | garotosopa | I've just heard Arch Linux doesn't provide Sun's JRE either |
| 21:30.52 | Zharf | Dulak, gnome3... HORRIBLE |
| 21:31.05 | Dulak | Ah crap |
| 21:31.10 | zykotick9 | garotosopa, no distro can |
| 21:31.25 | Dulak | I tried gnome3 but it made me cry. |
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| 21:32.09 | garotosopa | zykotick9: scaring. I hope it helps to encourage developers to fix whatever problems there are on openjdk. |
| 21:32.15 | Dulak | zykotick9: sure they can, they just have to make you agree to the non-free license ala ubuntu's install pass-thru. |
| 21:32.34 | zykotick9 | Dulak, i don't think that's is true "anymore" |
| 21:33.21 | Dulak | zykotick9: nifty, I'm glad I don't use anything java then |
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| 21:33.30 | garotosopa | I'd switch to Xfce instead of upgrading to Gnome 3. |
| 21:33.55 | Dulak | I want to keep gnome2 so I guess I'm staying on squeeze for the time being |
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| 21:34.03 | unkmar | having fsck during to the boot process is unreasonable. |
| 21:34.30 | Dulak | I ran xfce for a bit, it's not quite as useful to me as gnome2 is. |
| 21:34.35 | unkmar | if I hadn't disconnected my 2nd drive I would not have been able to use the system for over an hour while the secondary drive is checked. |
| 21:34.44 | garotosopa | I've never got that either. It reminds me of scandisk when I shutdown windows 98 unproperly. |
| 21:35.00 | garotosopa | unkmar: you can always ctrl+c it you know |
| 21:35.13 | Dulak | It has to happen before mount, so extremely early in the boot process |
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| 21:35.44 | garotosopa | I see but my point is to not run fsck ever. |
| 21:35.49 | Dulak | Well technically before the remount to read-write, but still very early in the boot process. |
| 21:36.31 | Dulak | Yeah, because avoidable data corruption is nothing to worry about... |
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| 21:38.22 | garotosopa | I'm just envy on how other filesystems manage to get their integrity without periodic check. |
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| 21:40.07 | Dulak | garotosopa: I don't think that's very true, even the best filesystems have one-off errors that crop up from time to time. I think they either background the check, which can be done on some filesystems, or they just don't ever check and claim integrity that isn't verified. |
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| 21:44.00 | garotosopa | we're probably safer but for a home user point of view it's still annoying. |
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| 21:47.15 | jelly-home | Dulak: and most filesystems types don't check data, just metadata |
| 21:47.50 | jelly-home | bits got flipped inside your favorite nephew images? Tough luck, fsck says fs is consistent. |
| 21:48.21 | jelly-home | nephew is now DIAMONDS |
| 21:48.25 | jargon- | could someone help me understand this ffmpeg error? http://dpaste.org/TCk6u/ |
| 21:50.04 | unkmar | garotosopa: I didn't know I could ctrl+c the fsck |
| 21:50.51 | Dulak | jargon-: it looks like it might be a permissions issue, like it doesn't have write access to wherever your output is. |
| 21:51.11 | unkmar | Dulak: secondary drives partitions don't have to be checked before using the system. Assuming they aren't part of the critical system such as /home /usr /var and such. |
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| 21:51.28 | garotosopa | unkmar: I discovered it by chance. I was upset one day it ran and tried. it worked :) but it'll try to run again next boot. |
| 21:51.35 | jargon- | Dulak: hmm |
| 21:52.16 | garotosopa | unkmar: you can always configure fstab to ignore fsck on that partition |
| 21:52.41 | garotosopa | unkmar: "If the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not need to be checked." |
| 21:52.48 | Dulak | unkmar: yes, and I wasn't arguing that they are strictly necessary, just that it has to happen before it can be mounted read-write, which is why it's so early in the boot and blocks the boot. |
| 21:53.07 | karlpinc | garotosopa: But that's unsafe. Better to, say, "shutdown -rF now" every 3 months. |
| 21:53.32 | unkmar | Dulak: right, and that is why I physically disconnected the SATA drive and reattached after boot, then I was able to check it WHILE my system was available. |
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| 21:53.54 | unkmar | shutdown -r. That is another bone I have to pick. |
| 21:54.12 | Dulak | unkmar: just do as garotosopa says and mark it 0 in fstab, then manually check it when you feel it's necessary |
| 21:54.24 | garotosopa | well the emphasis there was probably on -F |
| 21:55.04 | karlpinc | garotosopa: Yah. That way you don't get suprise fscks at boot. |
| 21:55.11 | unkmar | Since when does restart not cause you a complete restart, As in detect a change in boot media. |
| 21:55.35 | unkmar | Now I have to shutdown -h. which powers off the PSU and then power back on. |
| 21:55.35 | garotosopa | karlpinc: but you still have to mark partitions with 0 on fstab, right? |
| 21:55.46 | karlpinc | unkmar: Since PC hardware has sucked? As in, forever. |
| 21:56.01 | themill | unkmar: sure you're not seeing kexec? |
| 21:56.05 | blackswan | i'm trying to make a 32-bit squeeze chroot on a 64-bit squeeze/wheezy system. the command is "debootstrap --arch=i386 squeeze /var/chroot/squeeze-i386". it's trying to install all kinds of crap like openoffice.org, and not even installing them right - leaving tons of dependencies unresolved. any ideas what's going on here? |
| 21:56.35 | unkmar | themill: kexec? |
| 21:56.46 | jelly-home | blackswan: are you using the latest possible debootstrap? |
| 21:56.52 | themill | dpkg: tell unkmar about kexec |
| 21:56.58 | karlpinc | garotosopa: No. tune2fs sets the fsck interval. The default is 120 days. So if you reboot and fsck every 3 months you'll hever reboot and have to fsck due to timeout. (Of course there could be a corrupt fs, but that's why you fsck at boot.) |
| 21:57.22 | blackswan | i'm using 1.0.26+squeeze1; do you think using wheezy's would help? |
| 21:57.35 | jelly-home | blackswan: not wheezy. sid. |
| 21:57.37 | unkmar | themill: thank you. |
| 21:57.38 | garotosopa | karlpinc: I think there's a default for number of days and number of mounts. iirc fsck always run here every 28 mounts. |
| 21:58.10 | karlpinc | garotosopa: Right. I always forget about mounts, because I never reboot. If mounts are a problem increase the default. |
| 21:58.12 | blackswan | jelly-home: sid scares me. |
| 21:58.21 | jelly-home | blackswan: it's just a shell script |
| 21:58.37 | blackswan | jelly-home: i know. but it's a scaaary shell script |
| 21:58.39 | jelly-home | or try cdebootstrap I guess |
| 21:58.43 | garotosopa | goodbye everyone, see you. |
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| 21:59.01 | themill | blackswan: it's the same version in wheezy and sid in any case. BTW sometimes using cdebootstrap solves debootstrap problems. I've never seen it drag in things like OOo though. |
| 21:59.26 | jelly-home | scaaary |
| 21:59.26 | blackswan | thanks. i didn't know about cdebootstrap |
| 21:59.40 | themill | blackswan: also, 1.0.26+squeeze1 is not the version of cdebootstrap in wheezy |
| 21:59.47 | blackswan | so many packages, so little time |
| 22:00.03 | blackswan | no, it's the version of debootstrap in squeeze |
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| 22:05.29 | jhutchins | dpkg: info cdebootstrap |
| 22:05.49 | dpkg | cdebootstrap: (Bootstrap a Debian system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.5.8+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 22:06.26 | jhutchins | What's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
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| 22:08.29 | blackswan | apparently the difference is debootstrap doesn't work right and cdebootstrap presumably does |
| 22:08.32 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins: two different implementations; primary difference is that cdebootstrap is written in C instead of shell |
| 22:10.25 | jhutchins | Is there a reason for the difference, or is it "just because we can"? |
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| 22:11.20 | themill | jhutchins: having redundancy on being able to create a debian image isn't a bad thing. One is (slightly) faster, one is more portable. |
| 22:11.42 | blackswan | the c version uses libdebian-installer4, maybe its virtue is that it is therefore going to be more consistent with what the actual installer does? |
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| 22:16.09 | jelly-home | or maybe the libray name is a lie! |
| 22:16.31 | blackswan | there is that |
| 22:16.37 | blackswan | the cake, after all, is a lie |
| 22:17.50 | blackswan | no, cdebootstrap has the same stupid problem. |
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| 22:17.55 | blackswan | !?!?! |
| 22:18.07 | themill | can you pastebin the actual output? |
| 22:19.51 | jelly-home | script is your friend (or screen with logging) |
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| 22:22.03 | blackswan | here's the output of "aptitude install dpkg" in the chroot just after creation: http://pastebin.com/HBfeFHa7 |
| 22:22.26 | MSTRCNVS | I'm in stable and I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to the 3.0.0.1 from wheezy. How can I proceed with this? Adding wheezy deb-src and backporting or upgrading directly from wheezy deb repository? |
| 22:22.36 | abrotman | blackswan: aptitude -f install ? |
| 22:22.43 | MSTRCNVS | What's the best way... |
| 22:22.44 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: probably won't work |
| 22:23.22 | dondelelcaro | MSTRCNVS: you're better off just waiting for someone to backport it unless you have a specific reason to upgrade |
| 22:23.47 | jelly-home | blackswan: what about the [c]debootstrap command and output |
| 22:23.50 | blackswan | abrotman: i don't want all the crap it's installing, i just want a minimal base system. |
| 22:23.50 | MSTRCNVS | my hardware it a little bit new and the stable stock kernel doesn't "support it" |
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| 22:24.07 | blackswan | jelly-home: i'll run it again just for laughs |
| 22:24.16 | jelly-home | blackswan: somehow it's VERY unusual for a typical debootstrap run to get "sun-java6-jre" supposedly installed |
| 22:24.31 | blackswan | oh. |
| 22:24.35 | tharkun | blackswan: try a new and clean install |
| 22:24.36 | blackswan | OOOOHHH. |
| 22:24.41 | blackswan | never mind. |
| 22:24.53 | blackswan | it's all my fault. |
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| 22:25.47 | tharkun | wonders about installing on the system wide tree vs intalling on the chroot |
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| 22:26.48 | blackswan | it's because i am a moron and bind mounted /var from outside the chroot. |
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| 22:27.32 | MSTRCNVS | but if I wanted to do this, which is the best way? get precompiled debs or backporting it? |
| 22:27.32 | tharkun | blackswan: If it conforts you, that kind of reasoning is not yours alone. |
| 22:27.56 | dondelelcaro | MSTRCNVS: if it's that case, then the already backported 2.6.39 kernel should presumably support the hardware |
| 22:28.16 | dondelelcaro | MSTRCNVS: otherwise, it depends on the package and the changes required |
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| 22:28.39 | dondelelcaro | lots of things needed to change to handle the 3.0 series |
| 22:28.57 | jelly-home | blackswan: hopefully you FIRST did a debootstrap then the bind mount |
| 22:29.26 | blackswan | jelly-home: yes. |
| 22:29.31 | MSTRCNVS | dondelelcaro: I need to upgrade xorg, the kernel and xserver intel driver from testing, I just wan't to know if I will find some troubles if I use precompiled from the wheezy repo |
| 22:29.50 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:29.50 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: don't follow that guys advise and mix testing with stable |
| 22:29.51 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2:2.16.0-1; wheezy: 2:2.16.0-1 |
| 22:30.02 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: either run testing, or backport stuff to stable. |
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| 22:30.34 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: have you tried using just the backported video-intel package? |
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| 22:31.12 | MSTRCNVS | jelly-home: yes, it supports, but I was told that the 3.0 kernel supports it better .. hm... |
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| 22:32.04 | jelly-home | MSTRCNVS: so use whatever kernel you want, but with squeeze + squeeze-backports userspace |
| 22:32.31 | jelly-home | mixing binary packages from different releases is not a great idea |
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| 22:34.07 | MSTRCNVS | jelly-home: ok, I'll not mix sir (: thank you, I'll upgrade to squeeze-backports latest kernel, my hardware is new, I can wait a little more. neither nvidia gives support to it's own hardware on linux |
| 22:34.34 | jelly-home | sure they do |
| 22:34.36 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 22:34.57 | abrotman | perhaps not for his card? |
| 22:34.59 | blackswan | i mix all the time. things rarely explode. |
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| 22:35.25 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: right, not for my card I was saying |
| 22:35.53 | abrotman | blackswan: like today? :) |
| 22:36.02 | jelly-home | blackswan: yeah... where are your security updates. |
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| 22:36.53 | blackswan | abrotman: that was because of a boneheaded mount, not from mixing distributions |
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| 22:37.55 | blackswan | jelly-home: over there, in that box |
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| 22:42.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:42.46 | hdb2 | when building a 64 bit kernel on a 64 bit machine, can I pick my processor family or do I leave it at 'Generic x86-64'? |
| 22:42.49 | jelly-home | Linux.py |
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| 22:43.02 | jelly-home | mmm, py |
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| 22:47.37 | buhman | how can I tell dpkg to resume an interrupted aptitude upgrade? |
| 22:49.36 | themill | buhman: just "aptitude upgrade" again. (or "aptitude -f install") |
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| 22:51.07 | buhman | themill: well I thought there was some magicsauce dpkg thing to do when it was interrupted in the middle of *configuring* packages |
| 22:51.10 | buhman | (not installing) |
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| 22:51.47 | themill | buhman: sure, but aptitude will also ensure that happens for you too |
| 22:52.00 | Dulak | I just fired a guy who threatened to get his dad on the phone when I asked him why he can't install debian on a new server when he claimed 5 years experience as an installer in a NOC. Apparently he was working for his dad and never learned how to actually install. |
| 22:52.17 | buhman | themill: that machine has not internet; aptitude will fail (afaik) |
| 22:52.24 | buhman | themill: I'd really just like to tell dpkg to resume... |
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| 22:53.05 | themill | buhman: umm... why would it fail now but didn't before? (you can dpkg --configure -a) |
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| 23:00.42 | Dulak | acu: http://www.ghacks.net/2010/05/23/get-rid-of-gnome-keyring-password-reminder/ |
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| 23:12.31 | rektide | sudo is no longer adding /sbin and /usr/sbin to the PATH of things it executes |
| 23:13.04 | rektide | afaik i have not changed anything myself with regards to this... any ideas how to fix it, how to get sudo to add /sbin and /usr/sbin by default? |
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| 23:13.54 | rektide | i used to be able to "sudo dpkg-configure --pending -a", now it's a command not found |
| 23:15.02 | themill | !sudo path |
| 23:15.02 | dpkg | As of sudo version 1.8.2 (wheezy/sid), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 23:15.47 | themill | rektide: (that was never actually a command though) |
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| 23:18.10 | acu | how to you do ssh -X vino-preferences acu@IPaddres ? |
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| 23:20.25 | __nolife | Anyone an idea when/why "fsh" has been removed from rebian ? |
| 23:20.34 | __nolife | It looks like in 2000 the package was still there |
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| 23:21.29 | rww | __nolife: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396039 |
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| 23:21.57 | __nolife | oh wtf it's availabe in ssh Oo |
| 23:22.14 | __nolife | I wasn't aware ssh can keep a tunnel open |
| 23:22.49 | babilen | __nolife: FTR: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396039 -- Typically a good idea is to take it from http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fsh.html |
| 23:22.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hello I just built a new PC for my parents and it has an onboard ATI Radeon HD 4250 graphics chip and I'm not sure how to get 3D acceleration going. I accidentaly ordered them an ATI based system rather than Nvidia which I know has great linux support. I hope I dont need to send this motherboard back. Would love some help. |
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| 23:23.06 | babilen | gah |
| 23:23.30 | __nolife | Does someone know in what way it is integrated in openssh ? I can't find something like that (and never heard about it) |
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| 23:25.03 | __nolife | fsh launches a tunnel in the background which serves as permanently open connection to execute remote commands a lot faster than when using ssh which has to reopen the connection each time |
| 23:25.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: the wiki has an AtiProprietary page with instructions |
| 23:26.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: follow the link to the guide to building the kernel module, its reuiqre dfor 3d |
| 23:26.12 | themill | __nolife: sounds like the ControlMaster options for ssh |
| 23:27.12 | Dulak | __nolife: the -M option to ssh allows reusing a single connection |
| 23:27.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Ok thank you. |
| 23:28.04 | __nolife | Sigh, using ssh for like 10+ years and never seen that |
| 23:28.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres a useful extension? must be from gnu </troll> |
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| 23:29.05 | themill | Dulak: it's a relatively recent addition. |
| 23:29.07 | JyZyXEL | whats the apache2 executable on squeeze? |
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| 23:29.38 | JyZyXEL | path to it |
| 23:29.40 | themill | !wayttd JyZyXEL |
| 23:29.41 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, JyZyXEL? |
| 23:29.53 | JyZyXEL | trying to find the path |
| 23:30.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders if JyZyXEL has even tried looking |
| 23:30.13 | JyZyXEL | apparently i need to run the apache executable with -S |
| 23:30.15 | themill | I should have left you on /ignore. It was easier for everyone. |
| 23:30.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | its not like its hidden away |
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| 23:30.31 | themill | running the binary directly also doesn't work... |
| 23:30.45 | JyZyXEL | it might work with -S, who knows |
| 23:30.51 | JyZyXEL | thats what the apache people told |
| 23:30.53 | JyZyXEL | to do |
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| 23:31.23 | JyZyXEL | and god help if they even get a hint im running debian they'll laugh and tell me to come here |
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| 23:31.30 | themill | They probably said to "apachectl -S" |
| 23:31.40 | JyZyXEL | actually httpd -S |
| 23:31.51 | JyZyXEL | i think the project has been renamed to httpd at some point |
| 23:32.08 | themill | no, they just never realised that there could be more than one web server in the world |
| 23:32.21 | themill | and it never occurred to you look in the normal places for a binary |
| 23:32.56 | JyZyXEL | no httpd in binary dirs |
| 23:33.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | *eyeroll* |
| 23:34.47 | JyZyXEL | sudo apache2 |
| 23:34.49 | JyZyXEL | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 23:34.51 | JyZyXEL | that looks like a wrapper |
| 23:35.05 | JyZyXEL | so probably not right |
| 23:35.17 | themill | [00:31] <themill> They probably said to "apachectl -S" |
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| 23:35.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: checkconfig is the apachectl command |
| 23:35.38 | JyZyXEL | oh that works |
| 23:35.46 | JyZyXEL | it gives something |
| 23:35.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc |
| 23:35.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | tests |
| 23:36.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: you appear to win :) |
| 23:36.12 | themill | yay me. |
| 23:36.48 | JyZyXEL | and i wish they had said that |
| 23:37.36 | JyZyXEL | apache people don't likes distros customizing their stuff |
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| 23:38.23 | Dulak | Everytime I see someone struggling with apache it makes me appreciate running nginx. Not that it would solve the problem necessarily, but I have had no webserver issues since switching, and with apache there was an issue at least once a month where I would have to fiddle with it. |
| 23:38.58 | themill | tell them that we get really bored of editing 3k long config files every time they put out a new release. |
| 23:39.25 | haveaquestion | hi, can somebody explain some things about raid and lvm ? |
| 23:39.36 | dondelelcaro | haveaquestion: best to just ask your question |
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| 23:40.51 | JyZyXEL | im sure they will say something like "we get bored dealing with people asking about debian hacked apache" |
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| 23:42.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | they do, yes. shame the entire world can't be as insular as them though *g* |
| 23:42.20 | Hydroxide | grins at comparing #httpd to here (he's asking a question over there) |
| 23:42.23 | haveaquestion | I'm planning to use lvm over raid5, and all that inside VM with os Debian6... |
| 23:42.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | self centered perhaps |
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| 23:43.55 | themill | JyZyXEL: they created an "Include" directive for their config files and debian uses that to keep the config files sane. It's not that difficult, despite what #httpd seems to think. |
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| 23:45.11 | haveaquestion | raid size would be 60g, but later I would like to grow it online. if I'm add another md device to vg, did I'm get what I need? |
| 23:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | haveaquestion: You will, of course, make backups before messing with the filesystem. |
| 23:45.47 | medsouz | Hello, I am having an issue with apt-get upgrade. I am getting a conflict but have no idea how to fix it (just installed Debian a few hours ago) http://paste.ubuntu.com/720220/ |
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| 23:47.00 | babilen | !tell medsouz -about show sources.list |
| 23:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | medsouz: Wrong channel, we don't know what ubuntu does with their packages. |
| 23:47.16 | haveaquestion | if md0 and md1 will use same disks, did I get reduced speed? |
| 23:47.23 | medsouz | jhutchins_lt, I just added Ubuntu onto the sources.list |
| 23:47.28 | medsouz | since it has updated software |
| 23:47.39 | babilen | medsouz: Please also include the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6" in that paste. Apparently you are installing Ubuntu packages. |
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| 23:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | medsouz: It's not updated debian software though, if this is a debian system you are about to destroy it. |
| 23:47.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | medsouz: hope you like reinstalling... |
| 23:47.56 | babilen | medsouz: You can not mix Debian and Ubuntu -- Or you can, but it'll break. |
| 23:48.23 | medsouz | Ah |
| 23:48.26 | medsouz | Well |
| 23:48.33 | rww | notably, #ubuntu doesn't support that mess either :P |
| 23:48.40 | medsouz | I was told its a good idea |
| 23:48.44 | medsouz | haha |
| 23:48.45 | rww | It's not a good idea, at all. |
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| 23:48.57 | babilen | medsouz: You should not listen to whoever told you that in the future. |
| 23:49.02 | medsouz | Any way to reset the OS to its presets? |
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| 23:50.07 | crudo | hello friends, just one question, is anybody here that used bonding in debian? the module are already built in debian 6? can anyone test if 'ifenslave' command are run? sorry for my english, thanks. |
| 23:50.36 | streuner | medsouz: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 23:50.37 | babilen | medsouz: A reinstall is the cleanest solution. If you haven't installed *anything* from Ubuntu yet, it should be enough to just remove Ubuntu repositories from your sources and forget that this ever happened. |
| 23:50.58 | medsouz | babilen, I installed xChat and some libs that Chrome needs |
| 23:51.17 | medsouz | streuner, ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 23:52.08 | babilen | medsouz: Reinstall it is. Everything else is a lot of work and will not necessarily succeed. |
| 23:52.10 | streuner | well, that sounds like stable/squeeze to me, just follow the advice from babilen then and clean your sources.list |
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| 23:52.31 | medsouz | babilen, should I just run the boot CD again and overwrite the stuff? |
| 23:52.44 | babilen | yes |
| 23:52.46 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 23:52.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
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| 23:53.05 | crudo | judd, version kernel |
| 23:53.07 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 23:53.11 | medsouz | I'm on AMD64 |
| 23:53.14 | babilen | medsouz: And please come back, because there are certainly better ways to achieve what you were trying to achieve without using Ubuntu packages. |
| 23:53.26 | Dulak | kernel would be linux-image iirc |
| 23:53.38 | medsouz | I moved from Ubuntu to Debian and immediately found it was much faster |
| 23:53.54 | crudo | medsouz: how about the support of packages in your system? its good? are u gettin problems? |
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| 23:54.15 | medsouz | Only problem I'm having is updating |
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| 23:54.42 | crudo | medsouz: but the things are really stable, right? |
| 23:54.53 | medsouz | Yes |
| 23:55.00 | crudo | :) |
| 23:55.14 | Dulak | ubuntu is focused on ease-of-use, they don't really care much about performance so yeah, ubuntu would tend to be slower than a base debian install |
| 23:55.20 | streuner | Who cares, X-Chat is usually always pretty stable... |
| 23:55.37 | crudo | bitchX =p |
| 23:55.39 | streuner | no matter its ubuntu or Debian |
| 23:55.57 | babilen | xchat is also almost the same version in squeeze, wheezy, sid and oneiric |
| 23:56.02 | Derpadong | bitchX is gone. lol |
| 23:56.09 | synapse_ | anyone here know how to create a fakeroot environment? |
| 23:56.17 | medsouz | Okay |
| 23:56.25 | medsouz | Anyone want to give me reinstall tips? |
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| 23:56.44 | karlpinc | !tell medsouz about overview |
| 23:56.54 | babilen | medsouz: Just install Debian like you did the first time -- Or is there something you would like to change? |
| 23:56.57 | synapse_ | medsouz: burn iso, click install |
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| 23:57.17 | medsouz | I like it the way it is |
| 23:57.30 | medsouz | Will all the LVM partitions still be there and can I just overwrite them? |
| 23:57.50 | karlpinc | medsouz: Should still be there, but I've not tried it. |
| 23:57.51 | synapse_ | what are you trying to do |
| 23:57.59 | medsouz | reinstall |
| 23:58.12 | medsouz | without going through all the partitioning again |
| 23:58.47 | synapse_ | put CD in tray, move arm to push disc tray slot closed, power cycle your computer and boot from cd |
| 23:58.54 | karlpinc | medsouz: Since you're new, another tip is to read the release notes when it comes time to upgrade to the next stable release. Nothing like reading the instructions to avoid unnecessary problems. But that's for much later when there's a new release. |
| 23:59.01 | synapse_ | why does partiioning matter |
| 23:59.02 | Dulak | medsouz: when it comes time to partition there is an option you can set to reuse existing partitions, then you go to each partition and set it to format |
| 23:59.06 | synapse_ | format it all as one |