| 00:00.11 | medsouz | I read a guide on partitioning so I wouldn't wipe windows in the proccess and it said to use different partitions |
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| 00:00.23 | medsouz | for root, home and sawp |
| 00:00.29 | medsouz | swap* |
| 00:00.36 | synapse_ | why not run windows in a virtual box |
| 00:00.55 | medsouz | Would probably lag the same :D |
| 00:01.00 | haveaquestion | For example : 4*1tb , every disk is a datastore for esxi, VM with Debian, md0 is 4*60gb (sd[b,c,d,e]) which is files on different datastores. md1 (sd[f,g,h,I]) will be created on the same datastores and added to volume, that will grow size, but what will happens with speed? |
| 00:01.22 | Dulak | medsouz: that's a good setup, it keeps root and home seperate so you can fill up home and not have problems on root |
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| 00:02.25 | medsouz | I was confused when making the swap partition as well. I read a guide somewhere that said to put it double your machine's memory |
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| 00:02.32 | medsouz | is that correct? |
| 00:02.46 | babilen | medsouz: Well, that rule is a bit outdated. How much memory do you have? |
| 00:02.51 | iluminator101 | I cant get the printer to print it says waiting for printer to be available??? |
| 00:02.53 | medsouz | 3gb |
| 00:03.28 | iluminator101 | printer drivers all installed fine, it worked in the past before |
| 00:03.33 | babilen | medsouz: Create a 3-5GB swap in that case (rather 3) -- you'll need a large enough swap if you want to suspend to ram |
| 00:03.55 | medsouz | I have 6gb right now |
| 00:04.06 | medsouz | I'll shave off 1gb and put it on home |
| 00:04.11 | babilen | medsouz: That is a bit overkill, but no problem whatsoever. |
| 00:04.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | I followed the Debian wiki for ATI Proprietary Driver (fglrx) and I hit a roadblock I think. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze In step 4 you unload the radeon and drm modules but I couldnt remove the radeon cause it was in use. So I just kept going and now I have a system that boots and hangs at a flashing curser and the screen blinks a bit. What should I have done to be able to remove the module? |
| 00:04.38 | medsouz | I learned Linux using Wubi D: |
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| 00:05.38 | medsouz | Okay I'm going to try reinstalling now, bye and thank you |
| 00:05.42 | synapse_ | anyone here know how to create a fakeroot zip file? |
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| 00:26.27 | ktosiek | I'm trying to install debian sid with debootstrap, but it stops after Extracting perl |
| 00:26.56 | ktosiek | and running dpkg --configure -a in the freshly created chroot gives me: dpkg: error: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
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| 00:28.27 | ktosiek | after touching /var/lib/dpkg/status I'm getting "dpkg: warning: 'tar' not found in PATH or not executable." |
| 00:28.35 | ktosiek | and, in fact, tar is not there |
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| 00:31.23 | ktosiek | any ideas how to make that install work? |
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| 00:31.44 | ktosiek | host system is Ubuntu 11.10, and target FS is posixovl over FAT |
| 00:32.39 | haveaquestion | ktosiek: #which tar |
| 00:33.24 | ktosiek | haveaquestion: in chroot? Nothing. On host system: /bin/tar |
| 00:35.35 | ktosiek | ok, I'll try to start over |
| 00:35.38 | haveaquestion | ktosiek: sorry, no ideas |
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| 00:48.52 | TJNII | I've got a new squeeze server and NFS performance is abysmally bad. ls takes 10 seconds on the client whereas on the server it takes 0.003s. The common element seems to be this server, and I've been chasing my tail since. |
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| 00:50.28 | DanDare | Bad cables maybe ? |
| 00:50.34 | TJNII | With SCP it runs at the speed of my slowest proc, so I don't believe disk or network are suspect. |
| 00:51.52 | TJNII | wireshark on the client doesn't give any clues, nor does tcpdump on the gateway/DNS server. (i.e. no DNS or routing weirdness that I've found.) |
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| 01:06.22 | _jesse_ | hey all, I restarted my laptop and not X doesn't want to start. It complains that the module fbcon can't be found |
| 01:07.04 | _jesse_ | http://pastebinit.com/dymHRHG4 |
| 01:07.13 | _jesse_ | oops |
| 01:07.26 | _jesse_ | http://pastebin.com/dymHRHG4 |
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| 01:22.05 | _jesse_ | nvm got it |
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| 01:22.13 | _jesse_ | bad .xsession file |
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| 01:33.15 | qiyong | which aptitude, how can I select multiple items? |
| 01:33.24 | qiyong | s/which/with/ |
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| 01:36.12 | TJNII | I don't think it is a debian problem, I think I've gotten myself into a corner case. It seems to be working now, which worries me as I'm not sure which knob changed it. |
| 01:36.42 | TJNII | I'm not going to do any gift horse dentistry right now. I'll just mentally file this escapade for future reference. |
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| 01:38.02 | qiyong | i have 300 packages to be installed, now i want to cancel them |
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| 01:44.13 | taglass | shell |
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| 01:47.25 | TJNII | Hmmm... No /proc/config.gz on a default squeeze install? How do I tell what settings the devs have used on the kernel knobs? |
| 01:48.09 | dvs | TJNII: /boot/config-<kernel_version> |
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| 01:48.58 | TJNII | dvs: Thanks |
| 01:49.46 | dvs | np |
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| 01:51.02 | Emiliano008 | hot girls ##opensource-es |
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| 02:06.40 | nutron | Is there a cli program to play musepack files? |
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| 02:46.11 | WormFood | is there some tool in debian, that can allow me to get some idea of what processes are using up my virtual memory...or maybe a standard tool I don't know about? |
| 02:46.32 | BlastHardcheese | ps, top |
| 02:47.47 | peterrooney | WormFood: top is extensively customizeable while running |
| 02:48.02 | rjsalts | or with a config file |
| 02:48.21 | rjsalts | atop is pretty useful too for long term trends |
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| 02:49.10 | rjsalts | it shares a large amount of functionality with top but saves data to disk where you can later look at the state of the system |
| 02:49.24 | rjsalts | default sample rate is 5 or 10 minutes |
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| 02:50.36 | WormFood | yeah, I had forgotten that top will show me the virtual memory used. |
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| 02:58.11 | sdz | Config'ing pure-ftpd for anon downloads only. File list and downloading works fine. Can't get .message, .banner, or -F /usr/share/fortune/zippy to work. Thoughts? |
| 02:59.12 | gentz | I'm getting a high percentage (~50%) timeout network errors when issuing lots of http requests from my DSL connection ,but running the same script works perfectly fine using my university internet. I'm using local dns caching. What could the problem be? |
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| 02:59.59 | WormFood | gentz, sounds like it could be a router issue. How are you connecting to the internet? |
| 03:00.22 | gentz | WormFood: DSL modem that acts as a router |
| 03:00.52 | WormFood | try to configure the "modem" as a bridge, and run pppoe on your computer, and see how that handles it |
| 03:01.03 | gentz | WormFood: ok. ill give it a shot |
| 03:02.06 | WormFood | please, let me know what happens...I'm curious |
| 03:02.14 | karlpinc | WormFood: Good analysis. I'd not have thought that. |
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| 03:03.08 | DanDare | some (cheap) modems really are buggy (multiple requests e.g.). Some have settings affecting this type of issue (SPI e.g. ?). Hmmm.... maybe |
| 03:03.10 | WormFood | what is interesting, is the fact that many of these cheap routers are being pushed to their limits by ever increasing internet speeds, and many connections. |
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| 03:04.15 | DanDare | In this case setting it as bridge sounds really a nice try |
| 03:04.21 | WormFood | I almost always configure my "modem" as a bridge, and configure a linux box as a router running pppoe...that is what I'm doing now at my house....plus it allows me to do other interesting things that would heavily tax a typical router, even if it was running custom firmware |
| 03:04.46 | karlpinc | WormFood: Me too. Sadly, that means having to fuck with modem configuration most of the time. |
| 03:05.00 | WormFood | yeah, just remove the router function of the "modem"...some of those cheap modems have really shitty routers |
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| 03:05.15 | rypervenche | Why wouldn't root be able to modify a file? |
| 03:05.28 | WormFood | at my last apartment, they had the router/"modem" already there...but the problem was it would not allow me to configure it as a bridge |
| 03:05.43 | WormFood | rypervenche, permissions/attributes |
| 03:05.49 | karlpinc | rypervenche: Read only fs. No permissions so an editor will ask twice. (Dunno about other utils.) |
| 03:05.51 | DanDare | a chmod 600 do that in files (I guess) |
| 03:05.56 | DanDare | Oh |
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| 03:06.28 | DanDare | not really, nvm :/ |
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| 03:06.55 | WormFood | rypervenche, try do an "attr -l filename" |
| 03:06.59 | rypervenche | karlpinc: How could I get passed that? It was on a test. Ahhh |
| 03:07.31 | WormFood | with my last modem/router, I was able to get an administrator password to get into it, to allow me to configure it as a bridge...and it worked great after that. |
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| 03:12.46 | Amarande | WormFood: yeah I'm starting to think of replacing my cheap Linksys consumer router with a used Cisco from ebay at some point :S |
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| 03:13.41 | WormFood | What I find interesting, is the fact that when I change some of these modem/router settings, many times it is all in Chinese, and my friends are surprised that I can navigate the menus and change things when I can only read 5% of the page. |
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| 03:14.04 | WormFood | Amarande, that isn't a bad idea, but why not take a spare/cheap PC, and do it with that? |
| 03:14.32 | WormFood | you don't even need 2 NICs on your Linux router, since the pppoe connection can go through the same interface |
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| 03:15.12 | WormFood | back in USA, I have a big ass stack of old Pentium 3 machines, that I will configure as a router, or a mail server, or whatever....as long as it isn't getting hammered, it will handle the load. |
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| 03:16.28 | WormFood | Amarande, how much money are you expecting to spend to get a used cisco? |
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| 03:17.25 | WormFood | I have a friend who buys equipment like that from companies going out of business, then sells them on ebay. He knows how much the things are worth, and will hold out for people willing to pay a fair price (he isn't trying to dump it, he can wait a few months for someone that wants to pay) |
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| 03:20.23 | internat | hi guys, i see in the newer release 6.0, that cryptoloop is no longer supported.. Based on that can anyone recommend what the new way to create a flatfile based encrypted volume is? also how one would go about backing up that flatfile, and whatever is needed (minus the passphrase) to reuse that on another system? |
| 03:21.05 | WormFood | 6.0 of what? |
| 03:21.30 | WormFood | I don't know any program called "newer release 6.0" |
| 03:21.57 | internat | 6.0 as apposed to 5.x |
| 03:22.05 | WormFood | and it makes no sense to me, that they'd remove cryptoloop, unless they had something else to replace it with |
| 03:22.11 | WormFood | as opposed to 7.x |
| 03:22.21 | WormFood | what the hell are you talking about? |
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| 03:22.47 | internat | in lenny and prior versions you could use cryptoloop. |
| 03:22.50 | WormFood | you might as well say "x.y", since you haven't told anyone what the hell you're asking about |
| 03:22.53 | internat | its no longer in squeeze |
| 03:23.05 | WormFood | you mean debian 6.0? |
| 03:23.26 | internat | no. ubuntu. |
| 03:23.30 | internat | yes debian. |
| 03:23.56 | WormFood | you didn't say that. You were not clear before...now you are clear |
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| 03:24.21 | internat | yes. thankyou for correcting my question and clarifying the issue. |
| 03:24.48 | WormFood | I wasn't trying to correct you, I was just trying to figure out what you were asking about. |
| 03:25.20 | internat | ok. well now that we've cleared up with the questy and issue is.. any ideas how to move forward |
| 03:25.36 | karlpinc | internat: cryptsetup? |
| 03:26.42 | internat | potentially. I must admit i dont know anything about that. googling now |
| 03:27.13 | karlpinc | internat: mount a file loopback as a volume. Read "man cryptsetup". |
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| 03:29.39 | WormFood | I get an ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument when I try to setup a crypted loopback |
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| 03:30.01 | karlpinc | !tell internat about luks |
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| 03:31.23 | karlpinc | WormFood: I've not done it loopback myself. This is what I recall. You might try the faq. See the <luks> factoid for the url. |
| 03:31.54 | WormFood | I've done encrypted loopback in the past, but not lately. I wasn't aware it wasn't working right now. |
| 03:32.15 | internat | yeah. thats what happened when i upgraded. |
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| 03:32.46 | WormFood | it is after 11:30...I need to go to the store before the lunch crowd hits it...back in a bit. |
| 03:32.52 | internat | i believe i temp fixed this by copying the module out of the old kernel, or rebuilding it from source with the new one. But ideally if its no longer going to be supported i figure i should move off |
| 03:33.20 | karlpinc | internat: I can't believe there's not a way to have it work. |
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| 03:33.51 | internat | im sure there is with luks. just not with crypoloop which is what i was using |
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| 03:36.28 | Na_Klar | using dpkg tzdata and setting the timezone to Europe/Berlin results in wrong system time. It shows 7:30. Which is really messed up since Berlin is GMT+1 DST and now it is winter so it should be 5:30 instead. Even in summer it would be 6:30. How does 7:30 come? |
| 03:37.28 | Russ | fall ahead, spring back? |
| 03:37.43 | karlpinc | Na_Klar: Depends on what your hardware clock is set to if you're getting that time on reboot. |
| 03:37.48 | karlpinc | !tell Na_Klar about utc |
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| 03:38.14 | karlpinc | !tell Na_Klar about hwclock |
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| 03:39.45 | Na_Klar | karlpinc, if I understand right, the time is calculated in regard to the bios time. I could either change the bios system time by going into the bios or using that hwclock tool. Right? |
| 03:40.35 | karlpinc | Na_Klar: Right. You want your bios to be in utc time unless you're dual booting. |
| 03:41.09 | Russ | are there actually still OSs that only with with hwclock=localtime? |
| 03:41.43 | karlpinc | Russ: I've no idea what MS is doing lately. That's what XP did. |
| 03:43.38 | karlpinc | internat: It seems that losetup/mount does incryption all by itself, or so says the man page. |
| 03:44.11 | karlpinc | s/inc/enc/ |
| 03:48.11 | erawfish_ | Na_Klar: we have autumn, not winter, and until next sunday, we still have daylight saving time |
| 03:50.07 | Na_Klar | erawfish_, yeah, it is GMT+0 = 4:30, GMT+1 = 5:30, GMT+1DST = 4:30 (hope this is right now) but never ever 7:30 |
| 03:50.48 | Na_Klar | s/GMT+1DST = 4:30/GMT+1DST = 6:30 |
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| 03:53.04 | Na_Klar | karlpinc, well ^^ the man does not say how the format for hwclock --date is like? ^^ yyyy-mm-dd hh-mm-ss did not work :P |
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| 03:54.42 | karlpinc | Na_Klar: If you use hwclock --date=... then you read "man date" to find out the format because that's what it uses. |
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| 03:55.25 | karlpinc | Na_Klar: I tend to use --systohc, but it all depends. |
| 03:55.32 | Na_Klar | karlpinc, ah I see, so it is just strftime() in principle |
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| 03:56.23 | karlpinc | Na_Klar: I don't recall. (I do recall always having a problem setting the clock using date, and having to read the man page. I think setting is less flexible than strftime, but I'm not sure.) |
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| 03:57.38 | Na_Klar | hwclock --set --date now *lol* |
| 03:59.50 | Na_Klar | q |
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| 04:01.13 | Na_Klar | just fyi: yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss worked fine, I just had to quote it .. thanks for the support karlpinc |
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| 04:03.00 | Na_Klar | o.O just to get that straight: UTC == GMT+0 and GMT+0 =~ 4:00 right now, right? |
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| 04:05.03 | acu | I want to copy some files and want to keep the same rights what should I type ? |
| 04:05.16 | rotflcopter | cp -A |
| 04:05.28 | Rusty1 | man cp |
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| 04:09.39 | gentz | WormFood: Having alot of trouble getting pppoe setup using pppoeconf and such. Would just buying a router & hooking it up to model in bridge mode work? |
| 04:10.12 | karlpinc | internat: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/foobar bs=1024 count=10240 ; losetup /dev/loop0 /tmp/foobar; modprobe blowfish ; cryptsetup -c blowfish create foobar /tmp/loop0; # Then work with /dev/disk/by-id/*-foobar or /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 04:11.36 | rotflcopter | what is foo bar? |
| 04:12.08 | Na_Klar | rotflcopter, just a saying for some variable "foo" and some value "bar" |
| 04:12.21 | karlpinc | gentz: After you put your "modem" in bridge mode then you either need pppoe to authenticate to your isp or, if you've a static IP from a decent provider, you just use the IP. Mostly you need pppoe. |
| 04:12.34 | karlpinc | !foobar |
| 04:12.34 | dpkg | from memory, foobar is a term very generally used name for absolutely anything, esp. programs, files, functions, and such. See foo and bar. It has a complex relation to another term called "fubar." For more info, see "mantra.". FTP Operation Over Big Address Records RFC163. Also read the Etymology of "Foo", RFC3092. |
| 04:12.59 | karlpinc | See also the <foo> factoid. |
| 04:13.33 | rotflcopter | ok now i know the what, but i still dont know why |
| 04:13.46 | Na_Klar | because raptors |
| 04:13.47 | gentz | karlpinc: when i do that, pppoeconf returns error ppp access concentrator cannot be reached. |
| 04:13.54 | rotflcopter | ;> |
| 04:13.57 | rotflcopter | and aliens? |
| 04:14.08 | karlpinc | Frankly, in general, luks is to be preferred to a plain crypted volume. But it all depends. |
| 04:14.18 | rotflcopter | i dont like luks |
| 04:14.27 | rotflcopter | it messes everything up |
| 04:14.41 | karlpinc | rotflcopter: See the history in the url in the <foo> factoid. |
| 04:15.08 | karlpinc | rotflcopter: "everything" being? |
| 04:15.41 | rotflcopter | soters encrypted keys at the drive start, if that corrupts, all data is gone, also the drive is no more transparent |
| 04:15.47 | rotflcopter | *stores |
| 04:16.01 | Joelito | hi all, question: I have two partitions: in sda1 is debian i386 and the sda2 was xubuntu, when I installed in sda2 debian amd64, grub is reading the config file from sda2... |
| 04:16.18 | Joelito | how to return grub to sda1? |
| 04:16.18 | rotflcopter | you put the drive in and will be prompted for password |
| 04:16.44 | erawfish_ | !fixgrub |
| 04:16.44 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 04:16.51 | erawfish_ | Joelito: applies to you too |
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| 04:17.47 | karlpinc | rotflcopter: That's a feature, not a bug. Backups will get you through times of no luks header better than a luks header will get you through times of no backup. |
| 04:18.14 | Joelito | oh |
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| 04:19.33 | samuel | hello guys |
| 04:19.55 | samuel | anyone know how to check key codes from the terminal? like using xev? |
| 04:20.10 | erawfish_ | gentz: it sounds like your ethernet is not connected to your dsl modem |
| 04:20.14 | samuel | specifically: how do i map the stamina/speed switch in a vaio to execute some script I have |
| 04:20.31 | karlpinc | gentz: Or your modem is not configured as a bridge. |
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| 04:20.45 | erawfish_ | samuel: that has nothing to do with keycodes |
| 04:21.02 | samuel | erawfish_, no? |
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| 04:22.38 | erawfish_ | samuel: use kbdrate |
| 04:22.40 | samuel | Is there some sort of /proc event somewhere that I can check for the state of that? |
| 04:22.43 | rypervenche | Is it possible to find out which package a file belongs to, for example /usr/bin/vim. Would I use dpkg for that? |
| 04:22.52 | erawfish_ | rypervenche: dpkg -S |
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| 04:23.02 | omeddragon | oil rush no sound degbian 6 any ideas using alsa x-fi sound card |
| 04:23.28 | rypervenche | erawfish_: I tried "dpkg -S $(which vim)" no good |
| 04:23.53 | samuel | dpkg vaio |
| 04:23.53 | dpkg | VAIO is a brand of computer products produced by <Sony>. For support of Ricoh R5U87x webcams in VAIO laptops, ask me about <r5u87x>. For Ethernet controller support within the VAIO VPCEB1J1E, ask me about <88e8059>. See also <laptop>. |
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| 04:24.32 | erawfish_ | rypervenche: then your which statement doesn't give dpkg what it needs |
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| 04:25.01 | erawfish_ | dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim will work |
| 04:25.02 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/bin/vim will work! |
| 04:25.33 | erawfish_ | omeddragon: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 04:25.37 | rypervenche | Odd, mine gives me "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/vim." |
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| 04:26.01 | erawfish_ | then this vim binary doesn't exist or wasn't installed via dpkg. just try other files |
| 04:26.18 | omeddragon | erawfish_, its a game oil rush my sound is fine in any other game |
| 04:26.38 | rypervenche | erawfish_: It exists. If it wasn't installed via dpkg that would make the difference? I use aptitude to install my packages. |
| 04:26.53 | erawfish_ | omeddragon: run it from terminal and see if there are errors |
| 04:26.55 | WormFood | gentz, in order for you to be able to run pppoe on your computer, you must configure your router/modem to act as a bridge |
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| 04:27.14 | omeddragon | erawfish_, ok sir |
| 04:27.21 | erawfish_ | rypervenche: all packages, every single last of them is installed with dpkg. no exceptions. aptitude doesn't install any package, ever |
| 04:27.30 | WormFood | after it is configured a a bridge, it should, more or less, appear invisible to the network (as far as pppoe is concerned) |
| 04:27.50 | tty | aptitiude is a gui for girls |
| 04:27.55 | erawfish_ | WormFood: modems are already "bridges" |
| 04:27.59 | samuel | erawfish_, I am sorry, but could you explain what I might use --kbdrate for? |
| 04:28.08 | rotflcopter | "Save the trees, eat beavers!" |
| 04:28.10 | WormFood | no erawfish_...most are configured as routers |
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| 04:28.32 | WormFood | erawfish_, some are configured as bridges, but most aren't...least not where I've lived |
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| 04:28.58 | erawfish_ | samuel: if you press a key, it determines how fast the computer reacts to you pressing it and it also controls how many presses per second there are if you press the key and keep your finger on it. "rate of keycodes sent per second" basically |
| 04:29.03 | omeddragon | erawfish_, its fine now I installed warsow from the repos sound works now i think i was missing some libs thx anyway |
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| 04:29.09 | WormFood | and, when I say "bridge", I'm talking about ethernet, not the concept of a bridge |
| 04:29.35 | erawfish_ | WormFood: then they're not DSL modems. which is sensible since a DSL modem costs more than a DSL router nowadays. same with APs vs. WLAN routers |
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| 04:30.05 | erawfish_ | WormFood: considering DSL isn't ethernet, there is no ethernet bridge to talk about |
| 04:30.09 | WormFood | it isn't even a "modem" at all |
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| 04:30.25 | erawfish_ | WormFood: of course it is. it modulates and demodulates |
| 04:30.29 | WormFood | erawfish_, go away, you're too dense to understand. |
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| 04:30.38 | samuel | erawfish_, thanks for the explanation. However there are 3 keys in the VAIO menu that dont seem to do anything, not even a keycode... So I am thinking maybe the keycode is not programmed in udev, is there any way to grab the keycode when pressing the key? |
| 04:30.40 | rypervenche | erawfish_: Ah ok, thank you. I figured it out. It was update-alternatives that was linking it to vim.basic |
| 04:30.50 | WormFood | what is it modulating? the "D" in "DSL" is for digital :P |
| 04:31.07 | WormFood | same with isdn...no such thing as an idsn modem...it is technically called a "terminal adapter" |
| 04:31.36 | erawfish_ | samuel: probably the ACPI BIOS/hardware grabs them before linux kernel can see it? look for howtos for other vaio laptops to see if there is software that can make use of it |
| 04:31.59 | gentz | I set Connection Type from PPPoE to Direct IP and Disabled ATM PVC Search. I thought this was sufficient to make my DSL in bridge mode? |
| 04:32.09 | acu | how can I restart kvm ? |
| 04:32.32 | erawfish_ | WormFood: please state the FULL name of the technology. hint: it starts with "A" and was explicitly developed by moto for ANALOG lines. now please take it to a channel where it is on topic |
| 04:32.44 | WormFood | gentz, it depends on your equipment. If you can't figure it out from the menus (sometimes it is tricky), then try google. |
| 04:32.44 | acu | maybe /etc/init.d/qemu-kvm restart ? |
| 04:32.46 | in2tactics | WormFood: i'd have to say that a DSL modem does modulate |
| 04:33.11 | in2tactics | WormFood: there is such a thing as ditital modulation |
| 04:33.30 | in2tactics | WormFood: such as FSK, QAM, and TCM |
| 04:34.27 | samuel | erawfish_, I have looked ALL over the place, but it seems that there is not much to do with this out there, the newest VAIOs apparently changed the stamina/speed switch to some memory register, but I cant find where it is. Also the VAIO key doesnt do anything... You know where I might look? |
| 04:35.42 | erawfish_ | samuel: first hit on google for "linux sony vaio key": http://shallowsky.com/linux/vaiotricks.html it talks about a sonypi driver which supposedly controls jog dial and some function keys |
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| 04:36.15 | erawfish_ | samuel: there also is http://code.google.com/p/vaio-f11-linux/wiki/ProgrammableKeys etc |
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| 04:39.57 | samuel | erawfish_, thanks... all the stuff thats there is already working :) im only trying to use the VAIO key and the stamina/speed switch |
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| 04:40.29 | erawfish_ | what does this vaio key do normally? |
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| 04:40.43 | erawfish_ | what what does "stamina/speed" mean? |
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| 04:43.05 | samuel | to be honest I have no idea, i removed windows as soon as I got it :) - the stamina/speed switch supposedly switches between graphics cards - discrete and integrated - I want to repurpose it to switch cpu governors, amongst other things |
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| 04:50.06 | Russ | samuel: look for the sony f11 laptop project on sourceforge |
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| 04:51.42 | samuel | Russ, thanks, thats in google code now... but there is nothing there about the speed/stamina switch |
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| 04:52.07 | Russ | samuel: yah, but the extra media keys that they enable might include speed/stamina |
| 04:52.25 | Russ | samuel: which S do you have? |
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| 04:52.57 | samuel | SB290L |
| 04:53.11 | samuel | its one of those vaio-by-you |
| 04:53.20 | samuel | but basically an SB |
| 04:53.34 | Russ | yes, someday sony will ship me an SE |
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| 04:55.39 | samuel | Russ, does that have a hybrid graphics system? |
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| 04:58.56 | Russ | samuel: yes |
| 04:58.59 | Russ | AMD/ATI |
| 04:59.07 | samuel | ugh..... |
| 04:59.11 | samuel | it sucks |
| 04:59.21 | samuel | ive been messing with it for days now |
| 04:59.23 | Russ | I kinda figured it'd be a year or so out |
| 04:59.27 | samuel | cant get the ATI to work |
| 04:59.31 | Russ | it won't |
| 04:59.40 | samuel | yeah |
| 04:59.52 | Russ | it's muxless so it isn't supported |
| 05:00.07 | Russ | the intel framebuffer has to relay they framebuffer from the AMD GPU |
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| 05:00.51 | samuel | nice... you did your research b4 buying |
| 05:00.57 | samuel | I just sort of bought |
| 05:01.07 | Russ | I did |
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| 05:01.24 | Russ | airlied has done some proof of concept stuff, but it is still a ways off |
| 05:01.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey eeos how do I doa holst.allow line for apache2? is it www, WWW apache apache 2? what? it should really use port ## not a daemon name. |
| 05:01.48 | Russ | there are very few choices for light 1080p laptops |
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| 05:02.05 | samuel | yeah... |
| 05:02.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | host.allow .. line |
| 05:02.20 | Russ | http://airlied.livejournal.com/ |
| 05:02.31 | Russ | The "hotplug demo video" is somewhat related |
| 05:02.32 | samuel | I thought about the macbook air or the samsung, but sony was more bang for the buck |
| 05:02.44 | samuel | ive got it running now @ about 10W |
| 05:02.48 | samuel | very cool |
| 05:02.52 | samuel | nice battery life |
| 05:03.01 | samuel | but these little things kill me |
| 05:03.12 | samuel | the VAIO key, and the speed/stamina key |
| 05:03.12 | Russ | I ordered the sheet battery too |
| 05:03.16 | samuel | I hate that |
| 05:03.22 | Russ | unfortunately the keyboard skin is not available in the US yet |
| 05:03.44 | samuel | Russ, I get about 4 hours without the sheet battery |
| 05:03.53 | samuel | I did not order the sheet battery |
| 05:03.58 | Russ | here's to 8 hours then |
| 05:04.47 | samuel | probably |
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| 05:07.10 | Russ | I'll probably get the docking station at some point too |
| 05:07.20 | samuel | me too |
| 05:07.25 | samuel | I would like that |
| 05:07.34 | samuel | when do you get your laptop? |
| 05:07.56 | Russ | first they said it would ship 11/2, then 10/21, then 11/3, now 11/2 |
| 05:08.00 | erawfish_ | Eryn_1983_FL: "daemon_list is a list of one or more daemon process names (argv[0] values) or wildcards " |
| 05:08.24 | Russ | at at some point, the order status changed from "Your VAIO is being built" to "Your VAIO IS BEING BUILT" |
| 05:08.28 | samuel | well... back to the beginning then no? |
| 05:08.39 | samuel | mine took 3 weeks to arrive |
| 05:09.13 | samuel | I was going to get an alienware but I hate the logo |
| 05:09.45 | Russ | and I think they all have nvidia |
| 05:09.59 | Russ | and once again, tend to not have 1080p |
| 05:10.13 | samuel | they all do have nvidia |
| 05:10.34 | samuel | the only thing I cant get working yet is starcraft 2 under wine |
| 05:10.41 | samuel | with HD3000 intel |
| 05:10.58 | Russ | apparently, 1366x768 should be enough for anybody |
| 05:11.05 | Russ | welcome back to 1995 |
| 05:11.10 | samuel | hahahaha |
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| 05:12.20 | erawfish_ | Russ: many good laptops have 1080. even in smaller ones than 17" portable computers (no, those aren't laptops anymore) |
| 05:12.41 | Russ | I found very, very few 15" or smaller laptops with 1080p |
| 05:12.50 | erawfish_ | of course not the typical $500 acer ones, but you talk about sony which aren't exactly worth their money either |
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| 05:13.12 | erawfish_ | T520. excellent linux support and real mux for the switchable graphics if you want to :) |
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| 05:13.51 | quitte | real mux? |
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| 05:14.01 | Russ | quitte: vga_switcheroo works |
| 05:14.10 | Russ | erawfish_: I'd really rather not have something with nvidia |
| 05:14.41 | in2tactics | Russ: why the nvidia hate? |
| 05:14.42 | quitte | but it's still the powerful chip writing to the others graphics memory? |
| 05:14.52 | erawfish_ | this time around they built their chips properly :) |
| 05:14.59 | Russ | in2tactics: no specs |
| 05:15.03 | samuel | I hate lenovo... I am still fighting for those guys to send me back money for a laptop they themselves admit they did not send!!! |
| 05:15.09 | quitte | how do you know,yet? |
| 05:15.28 | Russ | quitte: no, there is a real mux |
| 05:15.41 | in2tactics | Russ: AMD is much better with their trying to protect their DRM for UVD3 |
| 05:15.51 | in2tactics | Russ: "is not much" |
| 05:16.36 | Russ | erawfish_: the T520 ends up being about $500 or $600 more than the VAIO SE |
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| 05:18.32 | erawfish_ | Russ: but with the added benefit of not being sony :) If you dislike the closedness of nvidia, I don't really understand your sony love. I just looked. found ~170 laptop models with 15" and 1080p. from asus, fujitsu, dell, msi, hp and of course lenovo |
| 05:19.06 | Russ | erawfish_: one model with 4GB ram and another with 6GB ram do not count as two models |
| 05:20.13 | samuel | ok guys thanks for all the help... I am going to bed |
| 05:20.14 | erawfish_ | yes but all of them have one or more models with you such a screen. usually 1-2 model ranges per manufacturer |
| 05:20.15 | samuel | bye |
| 05:20.21 | erawfish_ | -you |
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| 05:23.12 | Russ | erawfish_: what are you using to search? I always have to dig down really deep to find display resolution |
| 05:23.35 | Russ | sometimes they just list it as "HD display" which usually just means >= 720p |
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| 05:24.31 | erawfish_ | german site. http://gh.de/?cat=nb&xf=2379_15%7E2377_16.9%7E9_1920x1080&sort=p should be self explanatory for the technical specs |
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| 05:24.59 | erawfish_ | there are 3 laptops with 1900x1200 btw. yumm! the prices are out of this world of course |
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| 05:25.33 | Russ | and I don't think those are 15" |
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| 05:26.13 | erawfish_ | they are |
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| 05:27.49 | erawfish_ | http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=122558&catGroupId=12871&surfModel=Toughbook-52&displayTab=F for the most recent. "WUXGA" = 1920x1200 |
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| 05:32.34 | breadtk | I'm setting up pptpd on a remote server which only has one IP available to it (which is itself). Can the "localip" and "remoteip" be the same one? So far I'm able to connect but DNS lookups fail. |
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| 05:33.38 | breadtk | Any thoughts? |
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| 05:42.12 | erawfish_ | breadtk: tunneling to itself is very very pointless |
| 05:43.50 | breadtk | erawfish_: What I'm trying accomplish is to use the pptp server as the exit point for hosts connecting to it. i.e. CLIENT -> pptpd server -> INTERNETS |
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| 05:44.11 | erawfish_ | breadtk: are you running a proxy on the server? |
| 05:44.28 | breadtk | Can't pptp act as the proxy though? |
| 05:45.06 | erawfish_ | sure. use it normally but you wouldn't use the same ip for remote and local then... |
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| 05:45.18 | erawfish_ | any reason you can't use openvpn? |
| 05:45.59 | breadtk | I haven't looked into it yet. Though with OpenVPN you need to have an OpenVPN client to connect right? |
| 05:46.13 | breadtk | I was hoping to use this server as a general VPN server for my computer/phone/etc |
| 05:46.17 | erawfish_ | yes. and with pptp you need a pptp client |
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| 05:46.53 | breadtk | pptp clients though are much more vast in numbers compared to OpenVPN. For example iPhone and my computer ahve pptp built-in already |
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| 06:29.02 | pbase | what is the process name to change the desktop wallpaper and theme? |
| 06:29.27 | pbase | I can't open the theme manager |
| 06:29.35 | pbase | something has gone wrong |
| 06:29.38 | somiaj | pbase: there are many tools to set the wallpaper. AS for the theme depends on your desktop enviorment |
| 06:29.59 | pbase | on gonome with compiz |
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| 06:30.25 | pbase | gnome* |
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| 06:31.10 | pbase | how do I reset the desktop environment to defualts |
| 06:31.17 | pbase | defaults |
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| 06:34.49 | bobweaver | anyone here use debian live ? I have a couple of questions about it. I have made the image and followed the guide but I can never get it to boot |
| 06:34.58 | bobweaver | 3rd time right now |
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| 06:36.41 | erawfish_ | !anyone |
| 06:36.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 06:37.11 | erawfish_ | pbase: you delete the config files for your DE in your home directory |
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| 06:37.26 | bobweaver | erawfish_: thanks I am on it |
| 06:37.41 | bobweaver | erawfish_: I have only been using for 12 hr or so |
| 06:37.46 | erawfish_ | !enter |
| 06:37.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 06:38.08 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: stop blabbering and state your actual problem(s), on a single line preferably |
| 06:38.10 | pbase | erawfish_: which ones? |
| 06:39.40 | pbase | ok got it back. there was a conflict with gnome-font-viewer |
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| 06:41.24 | erawfish_ | so you run testing? |
| 06:41.27 | pbase | is there an app where I can browse thru fonts?.. I have a directory of like 300 font files to see a font I have to open individual files |
| 06:41.30 | pbase | yeah |
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| 06:43.17 | bobweaver | ok I am trying to figure this out and am a little lost. 1st question. Is it like rematersys with a bunch of options? Meaning does it build frm your host system that you are using then add scripts to parts of the boot? #2 I run lb build and nothing happenes. Am I not going to get a binary iso in the same folder or on hardrive at all ? If question one is trur that it does read from the host os that is great. but it works by cloning ? your dir ? I |
| 06:43.17 | bobweaver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:45.48 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: have you read point 4.2 in the debian live manual? |
| 06:46.10 | bobweaver | http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/live-manual.html#106 <- that is what I AM READING |
| 06:46.24 | bobweaver | ducks sorry about caps :>) |
| 06:46.38 | mcfrisk_ | Hello, dhcpd question which googling and manual reading did not resolve: how to set domain and search parts of /etc/resolv.conf from dhcpd.conf ? |
| 06:47.07 | erawfish_ | that is how to build/install the debian live scripts which create your debian live ISO. it's NOT how you create a debian live ISO image. please read 4.2 |
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| 06:47.34 | bobweaver | erawfish_: thank you so much |
| 06:48.00 | erawfish_ | 4.2 should tell you how to start lb and how to make it create a ISO |
| 06:48.30 | bobweaver | erawfish_: I have also googled a bunch looking for videos. Do you know of any? thanks again |
| 06:48.39 | erawfish_ | no I don't. sorry |
| 06:49.35 | bobweaver | This is the same manual :>) |
| 06:50.02 | erawfish_ | yes it is. but running "lb" is wrong in any way |
| 06:50.10 | erawfish_ | so what exactly did you run? |
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| 06:50.58 | erawfish_ | did you run lb config ? and then what is the output of lb build after that? |
| 06:51.00 | bobweaver | well I knda followed the whole manual |
| 06:51.07 | bobweaver | and it made a iso |
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| 06:51.35 | erawfish_ | that is not what you wrote: " #2 I run lb build and nothing happenes." please be precise in the future |
| 06:52.00 | erawfish_ | and it totally contradicts: " Am I not going to get a binary iso in the same folder or on hardrive at all ? " |
| 06:52.57 | bobweaver | but it would not boot I then used the command lb clean -all and now run lb config (<- do I have to do that every time?) then lb build and am not getting iso anymore |
| 06:53.42 | bobweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.55 | pbase | fontpython (fontypython) is a good app to view multiple fonts.. thanks |
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| 06:55.17 | bobweaver | host is ubuntu sorry like I said I am nebie and strarting to work my way over to debian. some one told me today that ubuntu is a ancint african word that means dont know how to install debian |
| 06:55.28 | bobweaver | newbie * |
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| 06:56.41 | Blue1 | bobweaver: personally, i wouldn't try debian unless I had a solid year on some other linux |
| 06:57.05 | nevyn | Blue1: why is that? |
| 06:58.25 | in2tactics | Blue1: slackware was my first real linux experience and i did fine with that, i think debian is way easier than slackware was |
| 06:58.29 | Blue1 | nevyn: it can be difficult to configure. nothing comes pre-installed. you have to install browers, audio players, things from the non-free repo, java, flash -- none of that is pre-installed. it doesn't mean you can't do it, but it is overwhelming for someone that has no experience. |
| 06:59.03 | nevyn | Blue1: so how many years of experience would you reccomend before installing windows? |
| 06:59.13 | erawfish_ | Blue1: debian installs a browser and an audio player just fine when you install it. you need to tell it you want a desktop environment tho |
| 06:59.13 | Blue1 | a lot more then linux! |
| 06:59.26 | Blue1 | erawfish_: i did, i got ugots |
| 06:59.33 | in2tactics | i always start debian with no tasks selected |
| 06:59.33 | erawfish_ | ugots? |
| 06:59.43 | peterrooney | erawfish_: more than that, you need to know to tell it you want a DE |
| 06:59.43 | bobweaver | Thanks Blue1 I am almost there in feb it wil be one year. but I want more options then remastersys has, and I went to install ubuntu 11.10 over my debian servers today and blam I now have two less servers no vga anymore can ssh into nothing cant even get to bios put in other cards still nothing in2tactics slax was also my 1st distro that I used |
| 06:59.46 | Blue1 | italian word - look it up. |
| 06:59.49 | in2tactics | i manually apt-get xorg and everything i want in pieces |
| 07:00.08 | erawfish_ | peterrooney: tasksel is pretty easy to understand, no? |
| 07:00.10 | bobweaver | cant* |
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| 07:00.21 | erawfish_ | !it |
| 07:00.22 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:00.38 | nevyn | in2tactics: that's how I install debian too. but I don't claim to be new to linux... |
| 07:00.39 | peterrooney | erawfish_: yes, but the terminology is, to put it bluntly, jive lingo |
| 07:00.45 | Blue1 | although debian is ubuntu's dad, it looks like mr. shuttleworth and company are working very hard to make it an orphan |
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| 07:01.20 | in2tactics | nevyn: fair enough, i just think that when people claim debian is hard they haven't really experienced "hard" |
| 07:01.27 | erawfish_ | peterrooney: debian installer gets "better" (dumbed down?) in every successive release |
| 07:01.30 | bobweaver | Blue1: yes some "grey breads" where talking about that at the last lug meeting |
| 07:01.49 | nevyn | in2tactics: like installing windows sp1 on a system with sata disks. |
| 07:01.52 | somiaj | Blue1: Thinking that ubuntu is debian's child is sayind debian built ubuntu. Its a fork, but it wasn't created by debian. |
| 07:01.57 | Blue1 | bobweaver: i am slowly migrating everything from ubuntu to debian -- |
| 07:02.20 | Blue1 | nm |
| 07:02.26 | erawfish_ | Blue1: don't use a live cd. if you want to try debian, use a VM |
| 07:02.40 | erawfish_ | unless your harddisk and especially memory are very scarce |
| 07:02.47 | Blue1 | erawfish_: i have installed debian sucessfully on a 32 and 64 bit platform |
| 07:03.04 | erawfish_ | what do you need the live cd for? |
| 07:03.06 | Blue1 | i have never used a debian live cd |
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| 07:03.45 | bobweaver | me I want to just have the knowledge of how to make one. |
| 07:03.59 | Blue1 | make ... what? |
| 07:04.07 | bobweaver | live cd |
| 07:04.35 | erawfish_ | as you read in the manual, by default it assumes you use the same debian system you make it on as the resulting live cd. if you do it differently like you, it's more complicated |
| 07:04.37 | Blue1 | oh I don't know how that's done - but i could probably piece it together if I had to |
| 07:04.41 | nevyn | I've installed debian on multiple non-x86 platforms. |
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| 07:05.12 | Blue1 | my biggest problem right now is that my folks are on ubuntu 10.04, and what do I move them to? |
| 07:05.33 | lyte | 11.04 ? |
| 07:05.34 | lyte | :p |
| 07:05.44 | Blue1 | 10.04 is the current lts version |
| 07:05.58 | lyte | Sure, so you've still got a few years (2?) |
| 07:06.11 | Blue1 | lyte yeah I think it expires in 2014 |
| 07:06.14 | Blue1 | i hope |
| 07:06.24 | bobweaver | I am so mad right now about two of my servers being down |
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| 07:07.08 | Blue1 | yeah 10.04 is supported till 04/2013 |
| 07:07.11 | bobweaver | dont install ubuntu 11.10 on poweredge servers |
| 07:07.12 | erawfish_ | Blue1: no. only the server parts expire then. the desktop stuff expires earlier. I suggest xfce ubuntu or you leave ubuntu and go debian |
| 07:07.38 | lyte | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS <--- everyone's wrong. |
| 07:07.53 | Blue1 | erawfish_: my parents are in their 80's - that's why I am have great caution |
| 07:08.01 | lyte | Still 2013 is far enough away that you can just wait. |
| 07:08.16 | bobweaver | less then 6months |
| 07:08.24 | lyte | Uhm. |
| 07:08.26 | Blue1 | yeah I got about 16 more months |
| 07:09.00 | bobweaver | next lts dont come out in 6 months ? |
| 07:09.29 | lyte | bobweaver: yes, but the last release removed completely the interface in 10.04 |
| 07:09.30 | Blue1 | the next ubuntu lts will be 12.04 -- and after seeing gnome 3 |
| 07:09.45 | Blue1 | actually kde is looking pretty good these days - may try that again |
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| 07:10.42 | Blue1 | man re-hosting a website is a royal game in hurry up and wait. |
| 07:10.57 | bobweaver | Blue1: plasma i like alot heavy but I like alot |
| 07:11.12 | Blue1 | bobweaver: not seen that -- |
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| 07:11.22 | somiaj | Blue1: gnome2 was a fairly similar transition from gnome1 -- but after a few years the major bugs got worked out and things got better, now people would probabaly be horrified at gnome1 |
| 07:11.36 | somiaj | Blue1: I'm still thinking that in 2-3 years gnome3 will be far more usable |
| 07:11.39 | Blue1 | i might install xfce onto their existing 10.04 and see if the like it. |
| 07:11.50 | Blue1 | somiaj: roger that |
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| 07:12.05 | bobweaver | I also like the way that lxde is coming along |
| 07:12.05 | lyte | Blue1: what's the rush ? |
| 07:12.34 | bobweaver | lyte: I knew that I would hear that on this channel :>) |
| 07:12.34 | Blue1 | lyte: end of life cycle on products - 10.04 missing some features |
| 07:13.00 | lyte | multi repos and apt pinning ftw ! |
| 07:13.27 | Blue1 | lxde won't run on my system here - so never tried it. |
| 07:13.55 | Blue1 | on of the guis I tried was very confusing that might have been it (on the netbook) |
| 07:14.38 | Blue1 | btw anyone know how to get dropbox to compile correctly for debian squeeze? |
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| 07:15.35 | bobweaver | all right enough is enough ubuntu ruined two server today I have hade xbox 360 red ring and I stubed my toe and to top it all off I am stuck in Dependency hell . that tears it I am installing debian |
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| 07:21.04 | Crypticfortune | oops |
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| 07:30.08 | qubits | udevadm settle - timeout of 180 seconds reached, the even queue contains: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:06:02.0/host0/target0:0:1/0:0:1/scsi_devices/0:0:1:0 (723) |
| 07:30.13 | qubits | then it has block/sda /block/sda1 /block/sda2 and /block/sda5 |
| 07:30.23 | qubits | i may have a drive with a bad controller hooked up in there btw |
| 07:30.48 | qubits | This is Debian 6.0.3 cd1 boot process, it's hung. |
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| 07:31.23 | rozie | qubits: you can check unofficiall instller by kmuto |
| 07:34.18 | qubits | What's that? |
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| 07:36.16 | codemarauder | there is a router in the network that broadcasts it's ARP for all the IPs asssigned by DHCP |
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| 07:36.23 | codemarauder | has anyone seen this kind of a problem? |
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| 07:41.07 | intok | Got 2 Macs to play with, a Late 2k4 iBook http://apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=ibook_g4_lat_04&sort=date&performa=on&order=ASC and an iMac G4 and I think a 1st gen G4 iMac http://apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=imac_flat&sort=date&performa=on&order=ASC Think they'll be any good? |
| 07:41.54 | joltcan | intok: I think they'll work fine |
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| 07:44.02 | intok | joltcan I just know my old G4 Powermac didn't like Deb |
| 07:44.47 | intok | *vanilla deb, unofficial Ubintu worked well, but has lately started getting a little wonky |
| 07:45.16 | intok | but thats to be expected with basically 1 guy doing the port |
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| 07:46.01 | fasta | How can I tell my printer to stop printing more paper? |
| 07:46.19 | intok | fasta kick it? |
| 07:46.39 | fasta | On Windows, if you cancel a job, it stops the printer. Via Cups it only removes it from some queue, but that doesn't actually impact the printer. |
| 07:47.23 | fasta | This configuration is nothing short of retarded, imho. |
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| 07:47.51 | intok | hit cancel on the printer? OS X does the same, you have to remove it from the que |
| 07:48.13 | fasta | Then whoever designed OS X also had no taste. :) |
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| 07:48.30 | fasta | intok: just hitting cancel is not enough. |
| 07:48.33 | intok | OS X also uses CUPS |
| 07:48.35 | joltcan | intok: Really? I where running it on my powerbook g4 for years |
| 07:49.01 | joltcan | Then I grew up and bought a faster computer so I could actually play videos withour re-encode them into simpler codecs.... |
| 07:49.01 | fasta | intok: perhaps they have some patches to make it like... usable. |
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| 07:49.48 | joltcan | they wrap it around a fluffy gui. but if you have an old printer you still need to fix the printer ppd files manually in the cups gui |
| 07:49.54 | intok | joltcan Vanilla deb gave me no sound, kept having to have the DNS set manually every login on the G4 Quicksilver |
| 07:50.08 | rozie | qubits: take a look on http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 07:50.36 | joltcan | intok: no idea but the sound, but setting DNS sounds more like configuration error for me |
| 07:51.19 | daniel-s | hi |
| 07:51.24 | daniel-s | I use squeeze |
| 07:51.38 | daniel-s | blender v2.49b is the one installed at the moment on my computer |
| 07:51.50 | daniel-s | what is the best way to install a newer version of this? |
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| 08:03.09 | jacobat | Say I want to run a script every day, what is the right debian way of doing that? Putting it into /etc/cron.daily or? |
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| 08:04.11 | quitte | fasta: on windows if you cancel a print job any number of events may occur.the printer stopping it's current job and becoming ready for the next is not one of them. usually you get a stack of almost but not quite empty paper + a huge waste of ink and a stuck spooler so no new print jobs. |
| 08:04.14 | daliborj | jacobat: yes |
| 08:04.47 | fasta | quitte: well, on the printers I bought the expected thing happened. |
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| 08:08.49 | quitte | fasta: nice. from a historical viewpoint the way cups handles cancelling printjobs makes more sense. once a job has left the spooler it is already completely transferred to the (postscript)printer. printers that have a rasterizer to process the postscript don't really match that printing model. You'd kind of have to stop a finished job from the perspective of the spooler |
| 08:09.18 | fasta | quitte: anyone sane would have added an API to the printer to communicate "STOP". |
| 08:10.13 | quitte | fasta: the printer is on another floor. and that's kind of what free software is all about |
| 08:10.22 | fasta | There are lots of more esoteric devices that I can stop from the other side of the planet, but for a printer that's too much to ask. |
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| 08:11.35 | quitte | fasta: fix it for postscript printers and the rasterizers will probably follow |
| 08:12.07 | fasta | quitte: I cannot fix anything without documentation, or rather I don't feel the need to do anything then. |
| 08:12.27 | fasta | quitte: also, I don't really feel like doing someone else's job. |
| 08:12.48 | fasta | They went in to the printing industry, they should build decent systems. |
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| 08:13.13 | quitte | damn those volunteers |
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| 08:27.03 | fasta | quitte: I was referring to the printing people. |
| 08:27.13 | Efazati | i want adduser for ssh but i want this user has no permission to anything ... how i can do this :D |
| 08:27.25 | fasta | quitte: they should put on their website a C program which I can use to stop the current job. |
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| 08:27.46 | quitte | fasta: you could try to find the same problem in osx and rant to apple |
| 08:27.56 | quitte | apple owns cups |
| 08:28.30 | fasta | quitte: what is your point? |
| 08:29.09 | fasta | quitte: note that I already knew that Cups is owned by Apple before you said it. |
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| 08:29.38 | jelly-home | fasta: it's a printer vendor issue, not the spooler itself |
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| 08:30.04 | fasta | jelly-home: so, is there some standard API which a vendor could provide? |
| 08:30.08 | quitte | there is a lack of ability to quit printjobs that are already processed by the printer or the rasterizer. |
| 08:30.37 | fasta | quitte: what kind of lack? |
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| 08:30.56 | fasta | I mean, for a hardware engineer this logic would be absoltely trivial to implement. |
| 08:30.58 | quitte | jelly-home: here jobs that are processed by the printer are not visible in the spooler any more |
| 08:30.59 | xover2 | hi |
| 08:31.05 | fasta | In fact, this is firmware level stuff. |
| 08:31.06 | jelly-home | fasta: I know not of it. that API would have to be supported and implemented in the printer driver |
| 08:31.13 | jelly-home | quitte: exactly |
| 08:31.26 | xover2 | is there a .deb package for ipmitool? |
| 08:31.27 | Efazati | is there anybody in there ? :D |
| 08:31.57 | jelly-home | Efazati: nope, sorry |
| 08:32.22 | Efazati | jelly-home, i have little heart ... :D please help me :D |
| 08:32.29 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 08:32.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:32.44 | Efazati | i want adduser for ssh but i want this user has no permission to anything ... how i can do this :D |
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| 08:33.17 | quitte | fasta,jelly-home i have a ps network printer. from cups' point of view all printers are ps. my printeer has an abort job button that works perfectly fine. I'd assume this button could be triggered by the spooler instead. such a mechanism would be the way that all drivers should provide to be able to abort active jobs |
| 08:33.23 | jelly-home | Efazati: "ssh" usually implies interactive shell access |
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| 08:34.15 | Efazati | jelly-home, there is no shell for no access? or some deal with nobody group? |
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| 08:34.39 | jelly-home | Efazati: do you need ssh, or just sftp for your user? |
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| 08:35.02 | jelly-home | Efazati: what do you want them to be ABLE to do? |
| 08:35.04 | Efazati | jelly-home, i want my user hast some thing like ping and wget |
| 08:35.05 | Efazati | only |
| 08:35.15 | Efazati | jelly-home, not any more |
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| 08:36.20 | jelly-home | Efazati: provide them a minimal chrooted environment, then. quitte: does that button abort only the current |
| 08:36.23 | jelly-home | oops |
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| 08:36.30 | jelly-home | Efazati: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
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| 08:36.55 | Efazati | jelly-home, eyval .... thanks a lot ;) |
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| 08:37.31 | jelly-home | Efazati: that manual is very likely out of date and some things may need to be changed for a Debian 6 system |
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| 08:37.50 | Efazati | jelly-home, its okeyt |
| 08:38.15 | jelly-home | in particular, OpenSSH now has some chroot support |
| 08:39.52 | jelly-home | Efazati: I guess you're going to use something like Match User or March Group with ChrootDirectory, read sshd_config manual page |
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| 09:03.05 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 09:03.26 | sobersabre | I know it's weird, but I'd like to get an email each time a package is installed via dpkg, apt-get or aptitude. |
| 09:03.33 | sobersabre | Is there a tool or easy way of doing tis ? |
| 09:04.00 | themill | logwatch will do this for as a daily digest; apt-listchanges will do so as part of the upgrade process. |
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| 09:06.12 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 09:06.23 | sobersabre | ok. |
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| 09:06.44 | sobersabre | I guess I'll have to wrap apt-get, dpkg and the co. with an alias/bash function. |
| 09:06.56 | themill | no, there are other options too |
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| 09:07.24 | sobersabre | I'm listening :) I googled a bit, but it shows some irrelevant results mainly. |
| 09:07.43 | sobersabre | I expected to be able to add a hook to apt via preferences. |
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| 09:07.45 | themill | there's also a "DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs" hook which fires just before the installation is about to begin (i.e. after download, before install) |
| 09:07.52 | sobersabre | oh! |
| 09:07.54 | sobersabre | that one! |
| 09:08.06 | sobersabre | cool! |
| 09:08.37 | themill | do have a look at apt-listchanges; either to make sure it can't do what you want already or to draw inspiration from how it works. |
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| 09:20.14 | tommjames | anybody know what the wine package is for wheezy? |
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| 09:21.00 | themill | tommjames: there is no wine in wheezy |
| 09:21.09 | tommjames | er |
| 09:21.17 | tommjames | wtf |
| 09:21.39 | tommjames | any idea how long that utterly ridiculous situation will last for? |
| 09:22.20 | themill | until someone volunteers to do the work to fix it. Are you volunteering? |
| 09:22.31 | tommjames | i would if i could |
| 09:22.33 | themill | !why is wine not in testing |
| 09:22.33 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 09:22.46 | jelly | tommjames: why can you not? |
| 09:22.47 | themill | tommjames: so perhaps it's not quite so "utterly ridiculous" then |
| 09:22.47 | tommjames | thanks /me reads |
| 09:22.56 | tommjames | because im not technically competent enouigh |
| 09:23.02 | tommjames | hmm |
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| 09:23.31 | tommjames | ur saying my own technical competance has something to do with whether or not its ridiculous that some package is not available? |
| 09:23.49 | tommjames | or are you just saying "shut up, unless you want to do something about it"? |
| 09:23.55 | boudiccas | what does 'ur' mean? |
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| 09:23.55 | jelly | tommjames: _someone_ has to do the work |
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| 09:24.08 | themill | tommjames: being slower to criticise the people who volunteer to put together the distribution you use isn't necessarily the best approach |
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| 09:24.25 | themill | err... without one of those negatives... |
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| 09:24.37 | tommjames | it was more correct with the negative actually |
| 09:24.40 | sts | does anybody know why there is no debian/wheezy version of openvz? |
| 09:24.45 | tommjames | poeple ranting will speed them up |
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| 09:24.51 | mangomake | Hi, just wondering how to go about installing a database into mysql from a .deb package im making - im not trying to install mysql server - im trying to install database/tables relevant to a package, anybody able to point to any examples on howto go about doing this, i gather the postinst file is probably the place to do it but how to do without requiring putting mysql passwords etc in there? |
| 09:24.51 | themill | tommjames: no it won't. |
| 09:24.53 | themill | dpkg: tell tommjames about ranting |
| 09:25.21 | tommjames | anyway forgive me, i was just blowing off steam. been pulling my hair out over this and it vented here |
| 09:25.21 | tommjames | sorry |
| 09:25.55 | berzerka | tommjames: why don't you just build it yourself? it helps to have a pretty recent wine version anyways. |
| 09:26.10 | tommjames | maybe i will |
| 09:26.12 | themill | tommjames: my experience for quite a few years has been that if you want a working wine, spend the small amount on crossover office and then it works quite nicely. Plus, you help fund wine development. |
| 09:26.14 | tommjames | or just revert to squeeze |
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| 09:28.13 | jatt | hi, my locale looks like this: |
| 09:28.13 | jatt | http://codepad.org/5ZQCAbBS |
| 09:28.13 | jatt | how do I change it to use en_US.UTF-8 consistently? |
| 09:30.52 | jelly | jatt: globally or just for that one user? |
| 09:31.49 | jelly | !tell jatt about locales |
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| 09:34.04 | jatt | thanks, I just ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but still when I run the locale command I get a mix-up from en_US.UTF-8 and de_DE.UTF-8 |
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| 09:34.38 | jatt | dpkg-reconfigure locales says: |
| 09:34.38 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.39 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.50 | jatt | not sure if I need to login again to see any effect |
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| 09:37.56 | boudiccas | jatt; yes |
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| 09:39.15 | jatt | ok |
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| 09:53.15 | biz | is there a google code redirector for watch files? |
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| 09:55.09 | berserkr | watch files? |
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| 09:55.38 | biz | http://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch/ |
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| 09:56.57 | sosso | hi |
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| 09:59.27 | sosso | I use debian sid under gnome, after some upgrades, i've lost the "system/preferences" Menu, how can restore it ? |
| 10:00.16 | themill | biz: http://googlecode.debian.net/ |
| 10:00.36 | themill | biz: (perhaps you could add that to the wiki ...) |
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| 10:04.59 | biz | themill: thanks. I would, but the watch file page is immutable. |
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| 10:06.47 | themill | biz: you need to log in |
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| 10:07.51 | biz | themill: fair enough, will do then |
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| 10:11.52 | Night_Elf | sosso: what happens if you try to add a "main menu" at the panel? |
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| 10:13.38 | sosso | Night_Elf: nothing, the same menu appear ... |
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| 10:17.06 | wizoz | Hi. I got a wierd problem. When I do 'su another-user', enter password, and then issue the command 'whoami' I do not get 'another-user' back. |
| 10:17.22 | wizoz | I get a complete different user, e.g. 'foobar'. |
| 10:17.30 | wizoz | (foobar also a user on the system) |
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| 10:17.58 | ksk | mhm, messed up users // /etc/passwd? sounds kinda strange |
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| 10:24.19 | somiaj | wizoz: try su - another-user |
| 10:25.32 | wizoz | somiaj: Same. :/ |
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| 10:26.14 | wizoz | [another-user@mobajl-db01 /home/anders]# su - another-user |
| 10:26.14 | wizoz | foobar |
| 10:26.14 | wizoz | [another-user@mobajl-db01 ~]# |
| 10:26.29 | wizoz | Oops. |
| 10:26.41 | somiaj | yea, that is werid...if you touch 'file' does it give it correct primisions? |
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| 10:27.03 | wizoz | [another-user@mobajl-db01 /]# su - another-user |
| 10:27.04 | wizoz | [another-user@mobajl-db01 ~]# whoami |
| 10:27.04 | wizoz | foobar |
| 10:27.04 | wizoz | [another-user@mobajl-db01 ~]# |
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| 10:27.14 | wizoz | Sorry |
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| 10:27.47 | wizoz | somiaj: 'touch user' gives 'foobar' the owner, and 'another-user' as group owner. |
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| 10:30.56 | babilen | wizoz: "getent passwd another-user" and "getent passwd foobar" gives you what? And do you really use those names? If not: How much else have you edited in the things you paste? Can you "su - another-user" from root? Or is either foobar or another-user root? |
| 10:31.24 | wizoz | babilen: What will getent do? |
| 10:31.27 | wizoz | I masked the real users. |
| 10:31.34 | wizoz | I do not have direct root privs. |
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| 10:31.52 | babilen | wizoz: Read its manpage -- Those commands will essentially return the /etc/passwd entry for each user. |
| 10:32.02 | wizoz | I just altered the name I was logged in as, another-user, and the user from 'whoami' |
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| 10:32.59 | babilen | ack -- Can you login as "another-user" (i.e. is it just "su - another-user" that is not working) ? |
| 10:33.24 | wizoz | 1st, I login as 'testuser' |
| 10:33.32 | wizoz | 2nd, 'su another-user' |
| 10:33.39 | wizoz | 3rd, 'whoami' returns 'foobar' |
| 10:34.48 | wizoz | I also tried 'su - another-user' |
| 10:34.53 | wizoz | Same output from 'whoami' |
| 10:34.59 | babilen | So there are three different accounts involved? Please show us the passwd entries. Can you login just fine as another-user? |
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| 10:35.33 | wizoz | babilen: I can login fine to the another-user account. |
| 10:35.35 | wizoz | Sec. |
| 10:35.48 | babilen | Please show us all applicable information in a single pastebin. |
| 10:35.56 | wizoz | Alright |
| 10:36.08 | babilen | brb |
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| 10:39.51 | wizoz | babilen: http://pastebin.com/GEBMyuQ0 |
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| 10:41.22 | Rv | hi |
| 10:41.23 | babilen | suspects the "-" |
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| 10:41.39 | Rv | any tutorial how to switch to upstart? |
| 10:41.44 | Rv | on squeeze |
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| 10:42.17 | wizoz | Rv: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ |
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| 10:43.54 | White_R | hi! how do I know which sub-pixel order is good for me? I'm using a LG FLATRON w2246s bf. The specs on LG's don't say anything about it... |
| 10:44.15 | babilen | wizoz: So foobar is both root (uid 0) and foobar? I'd really need to see the real output of getent for root, foobar, another-user and testuser |
| 10:44.26 | Rv | wizoz, r u use upstart? |
| 10:45.03 | boudiccas | !u |
| 10:45.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 10:45.15 | babilen | wizoz: Can you login as another-user? (i.e. start directly with that user without involving testuser or foobar? |
| 10:46.14 | Rv | hmm i install upstart but after reboot my system uses inittab :S |
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| 10:46.42 | wizoz | babilen: This server is a managed server, so I havn't set it up. I cannot login directly as another-user, since I must issue 'su' from another user. |
| 10:47.05 | wizoz | It's proabely a security question-. |
| 10:47.16 | Bushmills | Rv: i 4 1 2 ~ |
| 10:47.29 | Rv | ? |
| 10:47.30 | wizoz | babilen: I will contact the company that manages it, and ask for advice. I will keep you posted if you're inststed. |
| 10:47.41 | Bushmills | Rv: "i, for one, do not" |
| 10:47.53 | Rv | :> |
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| 10:48.27 | babilen | wizoz: I am curious now ... please answer my question and let me see the real output for the respective getent calls. What does "grep foobar /etc/passwd" give you? |
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| 10:49.07 | wizoz | babilen: Sec. |
| 10:49.11 | babilen | wizoz: But yeah, contact the hosting company as well as I am not entirely sure what the problem is. I suspect a conflation of two usernames, but *shrug* |
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| 10:50.03 | babilen | ... also grep for testuser and another-user |
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| 10:52.08 | babilen | wizoz: One thing that baffles me is: "uid=0(foobar) gid=509(another-user) groups=509(another-user)" together with "another-user:x:0:509::/home/another-user:/bin/bash" -- As you can see both users use the same uid (i.e. 0 == root) .. so they messed something up. Those users do not have distinct UIDs ... No idea how they managed that. |
| 10:52.49 | babilen | wizoz: See "foobar:x:0:507::/home/foobar:/bin/bash" and "another-user:x:0:509::/home/another-user:/bin/bash" both have UID 0 |
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| 10:53.59 | wizoz | babilen: I now think I understand what they've done. |
| 10:54.06 | wizoz | Assigned total 3 users as root. |
| 10:54.15 | wizoz | root itself, another-user and foobar. |
| 10:54.23 | wizoz | All of them have uid 0, as you said. |
| 10:54.25 | babilen | wizoz: That would explain the weird behaviour, but I have no idea how they managed that or what your hosting company is/was trying to achieve by that. Please ask for either a real root account or a suitable sudo configuration. |
| 10:54.27 | wizoz | But is that really so smart? |
| 10:54.35 | wizoz | Rather than for example using sudo? :| |
| 10:54.45 | babilen | see above |
| 10:54.48 | wizoz | Yeah. |
| 10:54.53 | wizoz | I will have a talk with them. |
| 10:54.59 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 10:55.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:55.05 | wizoz | Thanks for getting involved mate. I will keep you posted later. |
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| 10:55.44 | babilen | wizoz: Please do that -- There is not much we or you can do, but this configuration explains what is happening. Even though I am not entirely sure if there even is a defined behaviour. ?-) |
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| 10:56.14 | wizoz | I hope they could provide me with a explanation of why the wierd setup :) |
| 10:56.19 | wizoz | Thanks again. |
| 10:57.05 | babilen | wizoz: Just tell them to either add your user to the "sudo" group (and install sudo) or give you real root access to your VPS or come up with a suitable sudo configuration. |
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| 10:57.55 | babilen | wizoz: That being said: You can probably configure that all by yourself, fix the passwd and everyhting .. but that is really their job. Good luck! |
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| 11:26.50 | cassiel | hi there, is there anyone of you running shoutcast+ idjc? |
| 11:27.50 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 11:27.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 11:36.06 | cassiel | I have a shoucast server up and running, when I try to connect to with idjc I got this error http://pastebin.com/fVw7vnA3, any idea? |
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| 11:37.37 | boudiccas | cassiel; if you dont get any useful solutions then try asking on the mailing list |
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| 11:39.55 | cassiel | boudiccas: I did it but I am trying to guess if this is a debian related issue or if any of you has experienced the same problem |
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| 11:41.22 | cassiel | boudiccas: shoutcast+idjc both run flawlessly on a ~clone debian box |
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| 11:41.49 | boudiccas | whats a 'clone debian box'? |
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| 11:42.25 | cassiel | boudiccas: same distro, same pkgs versions |
| 11:42.32 | boudiccas | cassiel; or do you mean 'ubuntu'? |
| 11:42.48 | cassiel | boudiccas: I said debian, so it's debian |
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| 11:43.30 | cassiel | boudicass: debian testing, amd64, 2.6.39-2-amd64 |
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| 11:54.03 | darksk1ez | my gnome date+time panel widget changes width depending on the font rendering of the seconds, so every couple of seconds my panel icons wiggle left and right.. ugh |
| 11:54.26 | boudiccas | its just proving that its still live |
| 11:55.08 | darksk1ez | theres nothing i can think of that i have done that will makes me unique in some way |
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| 12:03.15 | berzerka | hi guys. i am on testing and want to install "planner" from unstable since there is currently no version in testing. the deps say "python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.6)". i have python 2.6.7-3 installed _as well as_ 2.7.2-9. but apt complains: "planner : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.2-9 is to be installed" |
| 12:03.20 | wizoz | Hey! How do I only run command 'echo test' if 'diff one.log two.log' has an differential? 'diff one.log two.log && echo test' will ofcource output eventought diff has no output. |
| 12:03.23 | wizoz | Suggestions? |
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| 12:05.10 | berzerka | wizoz: diff one.log two.log > /dev/null || echo differing |
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| 12:05.40 | berzerka | wizoz: remove the > /dev/null if you want to see the diff output, of course |
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| 12:08.12 | themill | berzerka: you cannot have more than one version of any package installed at the same time. You presumably have python 2.7.2-9 which is not compatible with planner. |
| 12:08.54 | berzerka | themill: well.. python-2.6 and python-2.7 are different packages aren't they? |
| 12:09.10 | themill | yes. But neither is the "python" package. |
| 12:09.45 | berzerka | themill: of course... |
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| 12:10.47 | berzerka | and you are right. "the" python package is 2.7.2-9 which planner doesn't like. |
| 12:10.58 | berzerka | hm. any ideas? |
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| 12:11.26 | themill | berzerka: that package is in pretty poor shape |
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| 12:11.48 | Sevet | hi everyone... i have a very quick question. if the tzdata package is updated, do i have to reload the timezone data into mysql to make sure the db is up-to-date too? |
| 12:12.41 | berzerka | themill: would you suggest compiling by hand? or somehow fix the python dependency? |
| 12:12.55 | themill | berzerka: try rebuilding the source changing the "debian/pyversions" to allow python 2.7 and then hope. |
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| 12:13.02 | morgan | ciao |
| 12:13.04 | ksk | if you are talking about some self created database wich uses any data from "tzdate" which was imported some time - maybe yes |
| 12:13.07 | berzerka | themill: will do that, thanks |
| 12:13.07 | ksk | @ Sevet |
| 12:13.09 | morgan | ciao |
| 12:13.18 | morgan | !list |
| 12:13.19 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:13.31 | wizoz | berzerka: I'm trying 'diff one.log two.log || mail ...' |
| 12:13.34 | wizoz | But it get's stuck |
| 12:13.55 | wizoz | When I push C+Ctrl I 1st get (Interrupt -- one more to kill letter), and the 2nd C+Ctrl stops the script. |
| 12:14.27 | berzerka | wizoz: well... you have to provide mail with some letter ending with an EOF i suppose. |
| 12:14.28 | themill | wizoz: || is not what you want there |
| 12:14.45 | wizoz | themill: Hit me. |
| 12:14.53 | themill | !slap wizoz |
| 12:14.53 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across wizoz's face |
| 12:14.56 | EmleyMoor | || = "fails then" |
| 12:15.08 | wizoz | I want to send an e-mail if there is an diff. |
| 12:15.20 | berzerka | wizoz: please re-state exactly what you want to do. you were just talking about conditionally executing an echo if there is a diff. |
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| 12:15.24 | berzerka | ok |
| 12:15.37 | themill | wizoz: sticking the whole script in a pastebin might help. |
| 12:16.09 | wizoz | Well. I want to send an e-mail if there is a diff between two files. |
| 12:16.24 | berzerka | an email containing the diff output? |
| 12:16.35 | wizoz | Yes. |
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| 12:17.03 | wizoz | I first tried 'diff one.log two.log | mail -s Diff' |
| 12:17.12 | wizoz | But that will send an empty body even if there is no diff. |
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| 12:18.55 | e-anima | i need a better terminal. using gnome. any recommendations? |
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| 12:19.42 | berzerka | wizoz: you could do something like.. diff file1 file2 > diff.out ; if [ $? ] ; then mail diff.out ; done |
| 12:19.49 | berzerka | wizoz: something along those lines... |
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| 12:20.42 | berzerka | wizoz: or maybe diff file1 file2 > diff.out ; if [ -s diff.out ] ; then mail diff.out ; done |
| 12:20.47 | koskoz | hi, how can I add a user to a group? |
| 12:20.55 | berzerka | wizoz: there is probably a more elegant one-liner. |
| 12:20.56 | themill | koskoz: "adduser username group" |
| 12:21.58 | koskoz | themill: thanks! |
| 12:22.28 | EmleyMoor | koskoz: That's the easiest if there's just one user and one group involved |
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| 12:23.50 | koskoz | EmleyMoor: that's the case |
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| 12:39.55 | leo2007 | can xdg-open open a terminal? |
| 12:41.02 | boudiccas | open open? so good it does it twice! |
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| 12:49.09 | r4ph431 | hi, I'm getting some trouble tying to use libapache2-mod-upload-progress, I can't find this extension with get_loaded_extensions(), how to know for sure if an apache extension is loaded or not ? |
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| 12:54.41 | babilen | r4ph431: Look at /etc/apache2/mods-enabled -- use a2enmod/a2dismod to enable/disable them |
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| 12:57.08 | r4ph431 | babilen: the module .load file is symlinked in mod-enabled, I added a <Location /progress> and I can see [debug] mod_upload_progress.c(705): in my log when accessing/progress |
| 12:57.27 | r4ph431 | but still no trace of the presence of this extension with get_loaded_extensions() |
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| 13:00.33 | Almtesh | Hi! |
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| 13:04.20 | babilen | r4ph431: get_loaded_extensions is PHP isn't it? I have no idea about PHP, but are you sure that it should list Apache's modules? |
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| 13:04.48 | koskoz | any vsftpd expert here? |
| 13:04.55 | babilen | r4ph431: I would expect it to return PHP extensions rather than Apache modules, but *shrug* |
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| 13:05.01 | r4ph431 | I previously used the "pecl install" tool, I used to add extension=ext.so in php.ini |
| 13:05.31 | r4ph431 | but it does not seem to be the case with the package. Its understandable as upload_progress is of no use with php-cli |
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| 13:06.31 | babilen | r4ph431: Is Apache's upload_progress working? (i.e. is the /progress location doing what it ought to do?) -- You might also want to ask in ##php as this might just be a PHP specific problem. Regardless of that I am the wrong person to ask for help with PHP. |
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| 13:07.32 | r4ph431 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.07 | babilen | r4ph431: I also don't quite understand why you think that libapache2-mod-upload-progress is related to PHP at all. It contains no PHP code whatsoever and is just an Apache module. |
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| 13:09.56 | babilen | r4ph431: That /progress is working indicates that there is nothing wrong with libapache2-mod-upload-progress -- I guess you are looking for something else to give you whatever you want to use from within PHP |
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| 13:10.55 | babilen | ,info php-http-upload |
| 13:10.57 | judd | Package php-http-upload (php, optional) in squeeze/i386: Easy and secure management of files submitted via HTML Forms. Version: 1.0.0b1-2; Size: 15.0k; Installed: 108k; Homepage: http://pear.php.net/package/HTTP_Upload |
| 13:11.14 | r4ph431 | you're right... I guess I'm misleaded by the following : http://api.drupal.org/api/drupal/modules--file--file.module/function/file_progress_implementation/7 |
| 13:11.21 | r4ph431 | which contains "if (extension_loaded('uploadprogress'))" |
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| 13:11.34 | babilen | r4ph431: Is the php-http-upload package what you are looking for? |
| 13:13.34 | babilen | r4ph431: No, that is not it. Seems as if http://pecl.php.net/package/uploadprogress is not packaged for Debian. Use whatever PHP magic is needed to install it locally, or create a Debian package for it. |
| 13:13.45 | babilen | s/Seems/Looks |
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| 13:16.22 | r4ph431 | ok, I now see how I got lost ... I really have to understand how that stuff integrate with php and apache |
| 13:16.28 | r4ph431 | thank you for your support babilen |
| 13:19.38 | babilen | r4ph431: You could file a RFP for it (/msg dpkg rfp) so the extension is packaged for Debian. A short internet seach seems to indicate the you can use a "pecl" tool to install uploadprogress with "pecl install uploadprogress" -- You might also want to take a look at "man dh-make-pecl" |
| 13:19.43 | babilen | ,info dh-make-pecl |
| 13:19.44 | judd | No package named 'dh-make-pecl' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 13:19.55 | babilen | ,info dh-make-php |
| 13:19.55 | judd | Package dh-make-php (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Creates Debian source packages for PHP PEAR and PECL extensions. Version: 0.2.16; Size: 32.9k; Installed: 364k |
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| 13:23.12 | r4ph431 | yes I just cme back to thiss and it works |
| 13:23.53 | r4ph431 | I just wrongly imagined that libapache2-mod-upload-progress was an alternative (or replacement) to the pecl package but it happens that they are two very distincts things |
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| 13:32.01 | tquintela | hey people can someone give me a help with a blackscreen in debian? i'm kind of newbie in this |
| 13:33.44 | maj0r_mayh3m | @tquintela try control alt F2 |
| 13:33.47 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 13:33.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:38.45 | tquintela | i've tryed to go to the command line. i'll put the question: "i think i have a problem with my nvidia quadra. I'm running debian 2.6.2, when i try to boot i get a black screen" how can i push the command line from grub in order to try to install the correct drivers or try to find a workaround? |
| 13:38.47 | tquintela | !ask |
| 13:38.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:41.21 | shanepardue | Gmail calling from Debian Squeeze appears to be broken. Tried it from Unstable and it works fine. Tried killing the plugin and reinstalling..no go |
| 13:41.28 | erawfish_ | tquintela: for a start you talk gibberish |
| 13:41.42 | freemalloc | @tquintela i don't think the command line in grub is what you are after. like what maj0r said, if you do ctrl+alt+F2 it should bring you to a different terminal that isn't trying to run the fail Xorg drivers creating the blank screen |
| 13:42.10 | erawfish_ | tquintela: add "nomodeset" to your kernel commandline |
| 13:42.28 | erawfish_ | freemalloc: nope |
| 13:43.04 | freemalloc | erawfish_: nope what? |
| 13:43.19 | erawfish_ | tquintela: which nvidia quadro do you have (laptop? sandy bridge cpu?) and which debian do you actually run? |
| 13:43.26 | tquintela | erawfish_: should i put it right in the beginning ? |
| 13:43.32 | KaZeR_W | hi there. i have some parameters from my preseed files which aren't applied to my server. can anyone help ? (network settings, for example) |
| 13:43.46 | erawfish_ | freemalloc: ctrl+alt+f2 won't do what you said. it can but not in his case usually |
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| 13:44.25 | freemalloc | erawfish_: ah k, guess i misunderstood...he did write a lot ... |
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| 13:45.41 | ace02000 | hi |
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| 13:45.48 | maj0r_mayh3m | freemalloc: well and in the beginning all you had to go on was "my screen is black" given that info ctrl alt F2 is a quick easy test to try. |
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| 13:46.09 | maj0r_mayh3m | ace02000: hi |
| 13:46.10 | erawfish_ | maj0r_mayh3m: and it's the right answer for this, agreed |
| 13:46.43 | erawfish_ | but I guess it's academical since tquintela doesn't answer anymore |
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| 13:47.20 | boudiccas | i reckon that, as he cant provide us with his debian version, he maybe uses ubuntu |
| 13:47.20 | maj0r_mayh3m | erawfish_: im not sure... just thought it would add more information to the "my screen is black" riddle. I am somewhat of a newb myself, but when my screen is black that is always the first thing I try. |
| 13:47.26 | tquintela | erawfish_: i've tried with nomodeset at the before boot commands of grub but it didn't work |
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| 13:48.04 | rgr | trying to get a bluetooth device coupled on squeeze. gnome-bluetooth refuses to couple them. someone suggested blueman but the install of that doest seem to run a daemon necessary the docs are poor to nonexistent. Can someone suggest the correct way to get bluetooth working on debian squeeze? |
| 13:48.18 | erawfish_ | tquintela: before you address me again, please answer my question above |
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| 13:48.38 | erawfish_ | rgr: I successfuly used gnome :) |
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| 13:48.54 | tquintela | freemalloc : i've tried the ctrl+alt+f2 f3 f4 |
| 13:49.07 | rgr | me too, but I'm referring to bluetooth. Did you do anything specific to get the devices couple or it "just worked"? What debian? |
| 13:49.15 | boudiccas | tquintela; what version of ubuntu are you using? |
| 13:49.27 | tquintela | <erawfish_: i'm in a HP z200 workstation, with a nvidia quadra nvs |
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| 13:50.24 | tquintela | boudiccas: i've tried with ubuntu 11.10 but i gave up.. so now i'm trying to install with an easier one (joke). it's debian 2.6.32 |
| 13:50.55 | boudiccas | tquintela; that so old! try with something uptodate like 6.0.3 |
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| 13:52.00 | erawfish_ | tquintela: it's nice how you managed to avoid answering either question. please try again |
| 13:52.01 | tquintela | boudiccas: well at least it's what it says here i've downloaded debian 6 (i don't know if this is some kernel version or something) |
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| 13:58.26 | tomlabirt | Hello. I installed a touch screen driver following this description: http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo_Linux_Serial_v3.3.0_i686_Installation_Instructions.txt, but when i start the x server it crashes, and i don't know why. Please somebody help me. Here is the xorg log file: http://pastebin.com/sVjXkDJt |
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| 13:59.13 | tquintela | erawfish_: it's a NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295. the cpu i'd have to have a terminal to know it |
| 13:59.38 | tquintela | erawfish_ : i don't have a strobe here |
| 13:59.41 | a-atalla | how can i roll back the last aptitude operation |
| 13:59.50 | a-atalla | i use wheezy gnome |
| 14:00.20 | rgr | you cant roll back per-se. |
| 14:00.32 | a-atalla | and install the nvidia driver to enable compiz but when reboot it stop befor reach gdm |
| 14:00.36 | boudiccas | a-atalla; with great difficulty, unless you restore from backups |
| 14:00.38 | rgr | you just "undo" and hope the dependencies take it all ouit.. |
| 14:00.47 | rgr | ie uninstall and reinstall |
| 14:00.56 | erawfish_ | tquintela: and which debian iso did you use? graphical or text install? |
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| 14:01.06 | rgr | when by "operation" you mean adding new packages : if you did an upgrade then OUCH! |
| 14:01.11 | a-atalla | what parameter should i pass to grup to reach rhe root shell |
| 14:01.25 | boudiccas | grup? |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | a-atalla: init=/bin/sh |
| 14:01.28 | a-atalla | grub8 |
| 14:01.38 | a-atalla | ok |
| 14:01.40 | tquintela | erawfish_: i used the graphfical. |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | a-atalla: what are you trying to roll back ? |
| 14:01.54 | erawfish_ | tquintela: duh! |
| 14:02.00 | tquintela | erawfish_: debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:02.17 | rgr | abrotman: do you know any "one liners" which can help trouble shoot squeeze blutooth issues (I cant pair any devices). |
| 14:02.23 | erawfish_ | tquintela: may I suggest to not use the graphical installer when the OS seems to have graphics problems? |
| 14:02.39 | a-atalla | my laptop have intel and nvidia graphic card and it was good with the free nouveu driver when i installed the nvidia driver that happen |
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| 14:02.45 | a-atalla | io want to remove one of them |
| 14:02.45 | erawfish_ | rgr: shouldn't it spit out logs in /var/log/ somewhere? |
| 14:02.56 | tquintela | erawfish_: i know it's a 64 bit cpu. i'm not sure about if it's a i5 or i7 |
| 14:02.58 | a-atalla | i need only a root shell |
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| 14:03.11 | tquintela | erawfish_: you're right |
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| 14:03.25 | erawfish_ | tquintela: the cpu question mainly matters with laptops since they then have hybrid graphics |
| 14:03.35 | boudiccas | tquintela; why do you never answer a question/statement directly? |
| 14:03.52 | abrotman | rgr: /msg dpkg bluetooth is all i can tell you .. i don't own any bluetooth devices |
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| 14:04.36 | tquintela | boudiccas: sorry i'm at work i'm trying to do several stuff at the same time |
| 14:05.54 | maj0r_mayh3m | tquintela: perhaps you should try back when you have more time to devote your entire focus to the issue. |
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| 14:06.22 | sylar | does multiseat work well with lenny? |
| 14:06.32 | maj0r_mayh3m | tquintela: its the least you can do when others are volunteering their assistance. |
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| 14:08.01 | erawfish_ | sylar: as well as any other recent debian. why would you want lenny in particular? |
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| 14:09.21 | tquintela | maj0r_mayh3m: i'm trying to set this up cos it's causing me trouble here. anyway's i apologise. i'll be more explicit now on |
| 14:09.24 | KaZeR_W | #debian-boot and #debian-installer are empty. is this the right place to get help about preseed files, and automating debian install ? |
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| 14:09.41 | erawfish_ | KaZeR_W: have you checked those channels on oftc? |
| 14:09.41 | tquintela | erawfish_: i'm installing now |
| 14:09.51 | babilen | KaZeR_W: All official Debian channels are not on freenode but on irc.oftc.net :) |
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| 14:10.13 | KaZeR_W | doh. thanks erawfish_ and babilen |
| 14:10.19 | erawfish_ | tquintela: when your debian is installed, I suggest you get the nvidia drivers /msg dpkg nvidia dkms and use "nomodeset" if needed |
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| 14:11.45 | tquintela | erawfish_: if this boots i'll be happy :) . i'll do that. tyvm. i hope i don't come back with more issues and everysth work's ok |
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| 14:22.39 | a-atalla | thanks guys i'm in now :) |
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| 14:23.13 | a-atalla | i removed the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package and rerun Xorg -configure |
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| 14:28.18 | rgr | On my netbook I stopped using network manager and instead manually configured it (better vpn handling). Unfortunately it now seems tethering is an issue. When I plug my 2,3,3 Andoird phone in I see USB0 is the ifcong and can then bring it up manually and tethering works fine. A new iPhone however is not showing up as anything despite it being in tethering (personal hotstop mode). Anyone familiar with this? |
| 14:28.33 | rgr | ifcong==ifconfig |
| 14:29.22 | colo-work | there probably isn't a driver for that phone yet? |
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| 14:32.30 | Joelito | hi all, how can I regenerate /etc/grub.d/30_otheros so reflects changes I made in my partitions? |
| 14:33.59 | babilen | Joelito: Run "update-grub" |
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| 14:34.21 | Joelito | babilen, I did and I always uses the "old" menu entries.. |
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| 14:36.47 | erawfish_ | Joelito: os-prober? |
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| 14:41.27 | Joelito | erawfish_, let's see |
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| 14:45.48 | Joelito | worked :D |
| 14:45.52 | Joelito | thanks guys |
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| 14:50.39 | tquintela | erawfish_: i installed it as before and i've set the nomodeset on grub before load commmand and i'm getting the "black screen" as before. is there anyway to set the boot use the default graphic drivers or can you suggest me some other options that i can try? |
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| 14:51.53 | tomlabirt | Hello. I installed a touch screen driver following this description: http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo_Linux_Serial_v3.3.0_i686_Installation_Instructions.txt, but when i start the x server it crashes, and i don't know why. Please somebody help me. Here is the xorg log file: http://pastebin.com/sVjXkDJt |
| 14:51.56 | Chris___ | I installed 'cowsay' (with apt-get) but it's not showing up in /usr/bin/, how2use? |
| 14:52.42 | erawfish_ | Chris___: dpkg -L <package>|grep bin |
| 14:53.03 | Chris___ | erawfish_: thanks, I'll give that a shot and see where it leads me |
| 14:53.04 | themill | Chris___: /usr/games would also normally be on your path |
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| 14:53.34 | Chris___ | themill: unless I were using zsh? I had no idea /usr/games/ had binaries in it, so I didn't even think to look there. |
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| 14:55.16 | travkin | lol, spamming game servers on debian |
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| 14:57.52 | tquintela | Hi, i'm trying to boot an installation of ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso on a desktop computer HP z200 workstation using a nvidia quadra nvs 295, but after grub loads i get a black screen. i've quiet splash nomodeset option in grub but i'm still getting a black screen (with nomodeset on the monitor doesn't disable as before). i've tried ctrl+alt+f's but unsuccessefully. |
| 14:58.25 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 14:58.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:59.14 | tquintela | ups wrong paste i meant (debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso). Hi, i'm trying to boot an installation of "debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso" on a desktop computer HP z200 workstation using a nvidia quadra nvs 295, but after grub loads i get a black screen. i've quiet splash nomodeset option in grub but i'm still getting a black screen (with nomodeset on the monitor doesn't disable as before). i've tried ctrl+alt+f's but unsuccessefully. |
| 14:59.15 | guspur | !ubuntu |
| 14:59.15 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:59.34 | tquintela | !debian |
| 14:59.34 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:59.51 | jhutchins_lt | tquintela: We don't believe you. |
| 15:00.37 | guspur | tquintela: thx for information |
| 15:00.37 | erawfish_ | tquintela: uname -r |
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| 15:02.15 | tquintela | erawfish_: let me try to run it somehow |
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| 15:08.00 | tquintela | erawfish_: 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 15:08.14 | boudiccas | tqiduh! |
| 15:08.23 | tquintela | erawfish_; btw cpu is a intel i7 cpu 2.93ghz |
| 15:08.23 | boudiccas | tquintela; duh! |
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| 15:09.15 | erawfish_ | tquintela: you have debian installed the way I told you? |
| 15:09.36 | tquintela | erawfish_: yes without the graphical environment |
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| 15:09.45 | erawfish_ | then what is your problem? |
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| 15:11.27 | tquintela | erawfish_: i've installed the 64 bit install |
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| 15:11.55 | boudiccas | tquintela; so? |
| 15:12.17 | tquintela | erawfish_: instead of the graphical install but i think it installed gdm or sth similar also, no? |
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| 15:12.49 | tquintela | boudiccas: i'm not sure if the problem is from the nvidia but since the monitor doesn't display i suppose it is |
| 15:13.17 | Night_Elf | tquintela: if you just said you installed without a graphical environment, all you get after that is a black screen with white letters, in text mode. |
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| 15:13.37 | erawfish_ | tquintela: I told you what to do after the installation. use nomodeset |
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| 15:14.10 | erawfish_ | tquintela: and if it installed gdm, depends on what you installed. what did you install? |
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| 15:14.42 | tquintela | erawfish_: i've used quit splash nomodeset |
| 15:14.55 | erawfish_ | used WHERE? |
| 15:14.59 | tquintela | i'm not sure i used the default install |
| 15:15.15 | tquintela | i 've google it and putted it in the same line as it showed me |
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| 15:15.56 | tquintela | sth like here |
| 15:15.56 | erawfish_ | tquintela: you have a uncanny talent to answer questions which are not asked and ignore questions that are asked. is english not your first language? maybe a channel in your native language would be better? |
| 15:15.56 | tquintela | http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-to-set-nomodeset-for-installation |
| 15:16.17 | erawfish_ | why did you use nomodeset at the install prompt? |
| 15:16.47 | erawfish_ | *install medium |
| 15:16.52 | tquintela | no no.. i didn't use it at the install prompt i used it on system boot on grub options |
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| 15:17.10 | tquintela | Night_Elf: lol |
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| 15:17.34 | tquintela | Night_Elf: should i try rm -rf / ? |
| 15:17.46 | erawfish_ | tquintela: what did I tell you before to do after debian is installed? |
| 15:18.00 | Night_Elf | tquintela: by all means. And note down what happens to pastebint it somewhere. |
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| 15:18.45 | tquintela | erawfish_ : after install you told me to just set boot using nomodeset, correct? that's what i've done |
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| 15:18.59 | boudiccas | tquintela; duh! |
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| 15:19.48 | erawfish_ | tquintela: please read what I told you again. it's not all I told you |
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| 15:20.12 | blauefuesse | hello, i have a ATI Radeon 7000 VE GFX-Card: $ hwinfo --gfx >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/720784/ ; $ lspci >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/720785/ . I have been incontering system-freezes(keyboard,etc..), that sometimes just disappear after a few seconds/minutes. I do not use a xorg.conf file in /etc/X11... how can i solve this Issue? |
| 15:20.46 | boudiccas | blauefuesse; what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:21.16 | babilen | tquintela: FWIW, there is no way that you are running a -486 kernel if you installed amd64 |
| 15:21.17 | erawfish_ | blauefuesse: what makes you think this is a graphics problem? |
| 15:21.37 | babilen | tquintela: Please install Debian again. Make sure that you install an amd64 kernel (and amd64 userland) and *do not* install Xorg just yet (i.e. the desktop task). Boot into your newly installed Debian system and come here. |
| 15:21.38 | tquintela | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.39 | tquintela | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.39 | tquintela | erawfish_: ok you told me also to get the drivers from nvidia but i can't get them if i don't have a console |
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| 15:22.54 | blauefuesse | erawfish: i have read that this card has DRI issues |
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| 15:23.33 | e-anima | hm in what source i would find firefox? |
| 15:23.48 | boudiccas | e-anima; you wouldn't |
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| 15:23.53 | e-anima | uh? |
| 15:23.54 | erawfish_ | e-anima: apt-get source iceweasel |
| 15:24.05 | e-anima | crome neither? |
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| 15:24.27 | erawfish_ | apt-get install chromium. you cannot ever get a source for chrome. unless you hire on at google |
| 15:24.42 | e-anima | i know taht is closed src |
| 15:24.47 | e-anima | i only want a install package |
| 15:24.49 | erawfish_ | then why did you ask? |
| 15:24.58 | e-anima | there is also a lot pf non-free stuff avaliable |
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| 15:25.04 | erawfish_ | debian cannot distribute chrome either. license doesn't allow it |
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| 15:25.20 | e-anima | is that with firefox too? |
| 15:25.22 | babilen | e-anima: Just install iceweasel -- You can get newer releases from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 15:25.55 | michelem | hello folks. I need some help with the live booting problem. |
| 15:26.07 | babilen | Or chromium if you want that -- you can also install chrome from upstream, but that is not supported by us. |
| 15:26.18 | babilen | michelem: "the live booting problem" ? |
| 15:26.19 | e-anima | ok. but i really do not get why ther is iceweasel and why there is fiirefox |
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| 15:26.27 | erawfish_ | michelem: hello michelem. you should learn how to ask questions on irc. getting to the point immediately. all in one line, etc |
| 15:26.30 | babilen | !tell e-anima -about why iceweasel |
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| 15:26.50 | michelem | I managed to create a initramfs that mounts a UnionFS filesystem. My problem: at a later boot stage, /lib/init/rw remounts the concrete partition at / |
| 15:27.09 | e-anima | hrhr ok understood. but lol@mozilla foundation |
| 15:27.15 | boudiccas | michelem; concrete partition? |
| 15:27.16 | michelem | erawfish_: we discussed this problem with jelly et al yesterday. |
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| 15:29.06 | michelem | ok, here's the summary: I need to mount a system read-only in a fashion like debian-live |
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| 15:29.24 | michelem | so I create a custom initramfs with a local-top script to mount the root filesystem |
| 15:30.03 | michelem | I mount the concrete partition (say /dev/hda1 ) as read-only, and I unite it with a tmpfs |
| 15:30.14 | erawfish_ | and you misuse your enter so many times, it's broken now, right? |
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| 15:30.23 | boudiccas | michelem; what the fuck is a 'concrete partition'? |
| 15:30.39 | erawfish_ | boudiccas: read his last line |
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| 15:32.45 | michelem | after my mount script has finished, I have a unionfs mounted where requested ($ROOT), and this is all cool. My problem: after this, later in the boot stage, /lib/init/rw is executed. Partitions are mounted as per /etc/fstab, so my mount work is nulled. |
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| 15:33.38 | erawfish_ | you cannot ever prevent the root user to mount your harddisk rw, you can put "ro" in your fstab tho |
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| 15:34.20 | michelem | jelly and bzrk: anyone around? :) |
| 15:34.21 | erawfish_ | well you can, but you'd need to patch your kernel |
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| 15:34.34 | michelem | erawfish_: in the worst case I can comment out /etc/fstab |
| 15:34.50 | erawfish_ | what is the point of doing that? |
| 15:35.04 | michelem | but I'm wondering if someone is familiar with what debian-live does, without having to extract it from sources |
| 15:35.25 | michelem | erawfish_: my root is already mounted, I want the rest of the boot process to leave it alone |
| 15:36.11 | e-anima | !tell e-anima -about why cromium |
| 15:36.21 | erawfish_ | !tell e-anima about selftell |
| 15:36.41 | e-anima | thx |
| 15:38.12 | michelem | oh, debian-live generates /etc/fstab itself at boot. |
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| 15:38.37 | edbian | what is the equivalent of rssowl in Debian? |
| 15:39.42 | boudiccas | edbian; what is 'rssowl'? |
| 15:39.50 | edbian | boudiccas: http://www.rssowl.org/ |
| 15:39.54 | edbian | reed reader |
| 15:40.08 | edbian | firefox:iceweasel as rssowl:? |
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| 15:42.42 | Night_Elf | edbian: I just saw "pan" listed as a gtk2 newsreader. |
| 15:43.08 | edbian | Night_Elf: umm? There is a lot more than that: blam and lifearea for example |
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| 15:43.26 | xaitax | pan is a usenet client not a feed reader |
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| 15:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | I thought icewasel/firefox read rss natively. |
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| 15:44.16 | xaitax | but according to the website, rssowl sis platform independent. so why don't ypou just run it on debian? |
| 15:44.28 | en1gma | i was having problem with a gpg error for deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free so i followed this guide http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/problem-in-debian-multimedia-keyring-648164/ post #9. this is my output http://pastebin.com/csgp9xxi |
| 15:44.39 | en1gma | if someone help me get that working again it would be great |
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| 15:45.31 | themill | en1gma: you need to install debian-multimedia-keyring, not get rid of it |
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| 15:46.05 | en1gma | so i need to continue on and install? did you look at my pastebin? |
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| 15:46.49 | michelem | out of curiosity, is /ignore client-side or server-side on IRC? |
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| 15:47.03 | threadlock | en1gma: sudo apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 15:47.09 | llutz | michelem: unfortunately clientside |
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| 15:47.31 | michelem | i'd gone for that. |
| 15:47.32 | en1gma | ok thans |
| 15:47.40 | threadlock | en1gma: we can see from your pastebin that that package is not installed |
| 15:47.41 | en1gma | i cont with the guide and it worked |
| 15:47.49 | en1gma | thanjs |
| 15:47.53 | threadlock | Installed: (none) |
| 15:48.04 | themill | en1gma: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.php#q1 |
| 15:48.12 | fasta | Does IRC also work over Multi-Cast? |
| 15:48.13 | threadlock | it says, as opposed to Installed: 2010.08.28 for debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:48.28 | edbian | jhutchins_lt: it does but it sucks |
| 15:48.29 | en1gma | yea i had stopped when i seen gpg error when i did 'sudo aptitude update' i never did the other 2 steps that the guide said |
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| 15:48.43 | edbian | xaitax: It doesn't have a package |
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| 15:49.26 | themill | en1gma: that "guide" is full of completely clueless people stumbling around in circles. There is one and one only command required. |
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| 15:50.25 | en1gma | yea i prob didnt need to do the purge but i was already on that step...and your command you gave me matched the next command i was supposed to do...i just never continued far enough i think |
| 15:50.51 | cthuluh | fasta: tcp doesn't perform very well on multicast ;) |
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| 15:50.56 | xaitax | edbian: but there's a 32-bit zip. you could try to package it yourself using that zip if you don't want to install it bypassing dpkg. |
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| 15:51.28 | edbian | xaitax: This is ridiculous |
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| 15:52.10 | xaitax | xaitax: why is it ridiculous to not get a package for every software in the world out of the box? |
| 15:52.13 | fasta | cthuluh: isn't there some 'broadcast' incoming connection to all other nodes concept then? |
| 15:52.16 | xaitax | *edbian |
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| 15:52.31 | edbian | xaitax: Cause some distros have that already |
| 15:52.35 | edbian | xaitax: (arch) |
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| 15:53.02 | cthuluh | fasta: not with tcp |
| 15:53.15 | fasta | cthuluh: why not? |
| 15:53.25 | fasta | edbian: we know Debian isn't perfect, yet we still use it. |
| 15:53.26 | cthuluh | because it works in a connected fashion |
| 15:53.30 | xaitax | edbian: well, that will happen from time to time. |
| 15:53.54 | fasta | edbian: I will raise you a NixOS if you are talking about good systems. |
| 15:53.55 | edbian | fasta: :) |
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| 16:11.33 | ptrkmj | How can I switch between locales generated with dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 16:13.05 | ptrkmj | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale doesn't tell me |
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| 16:14.20 | tomlabirt | I need help, How can i make a kernel module to work? How does it work? How can i check it? |
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| 16:18.58 | somiaj | tomlabirt: what kernel module? 'lsmod' lists the list of used modules on your system. For the basic modules included in the kernel 'modprobe' will load it. If you need a module outside the kernel, you'll have to build it. |
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| 16:20.31 | tomlabirt | somiaj: i have a built kernel module called elok_s.ko how can i load it? |
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| 16:22.27 | somiaj | tomlabirt: how did you build it? |
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| 16:25.47 | tomlabirt | somiaj: There was a description : http://pastebin.com/59Yjt7qn |
| 16:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: There's a script in the elo source package. |
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| 16:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: You can load it with modprobe, but you may need to unload other modules like usbhci first. |
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| 16:28.25 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: what is usbhci? |
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| 16:30.28 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: can you load with modprobe from current directory? |
| 16:31.12 | cthuluh | sounds like you need insmod |
| 16:31.12 | erawfish_ | ptrkmj: with environment variables |
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| 16:33.12 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: what name should i use with modprobe? |
| 16:33.49 | thisthat | anyone do any kind of video conferencing in debian? |
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| 16:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: There should be more instructions in the package, including where to copy the file so the system can find it. Often there is "make install" which will do that correctly |
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| 16:40.31 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: Ok. I'm not stupid, i fully completed all the steps what were in the readme file, but it doesn't work. I've read a lot about all the contained commands first, instead of disturbing you, but i'm not a pro... |
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| 16:41.00 | Jragon | Hey |
| 16:41.03 | mocra | i want to print the first argument of a shell script, in an actual strange way, but i am not able to.. whats wrong with: counter=1 ; echo $(echo $($counter)) |
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| 16:41.25 | Jragon | When downloading debian do I really need all the CDs? |
| 16:41.28 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: I don't think you're stupid, but I remember the documentation being pretty complete. |
| 16:42.17 | babilen | Jragon: You typically don't need all CDs as they contain every single Debian package. Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 16:42.30 | Jragon | Ye |
| 16:42.32 | Jragon | s |
| 16:42.34 | erawfish_ | Jragon: no. get CD1. depending on your network connection, netinst |
| 16:42.44 | erawfish_ | Jragon: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 16:42.52 | Jragon | Ethernet |
| 16:43.01 | erawfish_ | and which ethernet chip? |
| 16:43.06 | Jragon | IDK |
| 16:43.11 | babilen | Jragon: Ok, in that case you can download the netinstall and/or CD1/DVD1 -- I would personally recommend the netinstall image with firmware. Is it OK if I spam you with a few messages from our bot? |
| 16:43.34 | Jragon | Sure babilen |
| 16:43.38 | babilen | Jragon: Which hardware are you installing on? How old is your computer? |
| 16:43.42 | babilen | !tell Jragon -about ig |
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| 16:43.46 | babilen | !tell Jragon -about various cd1 |
| 16:43.53 | babilen | !tell Jragon -about netinstall |
| 16:43.56 | babilen | !tell Jragon -about firmware image |
| 16:44.03 | babilen | !tell Jragon -about installer firmware |
| 16:45.09 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: There is the "elok_s" in the /proc/modules. What means this? |
| 16:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: Sounds like it's loaded, try lsmod |
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| 16:46.41 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: the lsmod's output also contains |
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| 16:47.00 | jhutchins_lt | Then it's loaded. |
| 16:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/elo_linux_serial_driver_v3.1_installation_instructions.txt |
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| 16:48.01 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: I know this i've done it |
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| 16:49.14 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: Ok. The kernel module seems working, and what about the driver? How can i check the driver? |
| 16:49.27 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: I don't now any more about it than what's in the directions. |
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| 16:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: The scripts should modify the xorg.conf file to enable the touchscreen in X. |
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| 16:51.01 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: I believe they also copy the module and driver to the correct folders for the system. |
| 16:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: I recommend reading any script files before you run them. Even if you don't understand everything at first, you will eventually begin to see how they work. |
| 16:52.59 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: There wasn't any script. I followed the instructions, what you sent me. Step by step... |
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| 16:54.45 | jhutchins_lt | The commands in the doc, elorc, loadelo, eloser |
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| 16:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | It should only require a single serial port, that's all the IBM screen uses. |
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| 16:58.56 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: It would appear that there is a newer version at http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo_Linux_Serial_v3.3.0_i686_Installation_Instruct ions.txt |
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| 16:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo_Linux_Serial_v3.3.0_i686_Installation_Instructions.txt |
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| 17:01.43 | gencha | i just noticed i am unable to write any files on a server i'm logged into "touch: cannot touch `x': Read-only file system". what would cause the file-system to become read-only all of a sudden? |
| 17:01.53 | gencha | it was working fine just a couple of hours ago |
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| 17:02.02 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: I wrote wrong, i installed the v3.3, because the 3.1 doesn't support the xorg 1.7 |
| 17:02.39 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: I think that was my own error. |
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| 17:04.53 | jbwiv_ | guys, if I apt-get source a package and just want to tweak one item through ./configure, how can I tell what other ./configure options should be passed to build the debian standard package? |
| 17:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: I think that instruction file has more of the steps explained and done manually rather than just running a script. |
| 17:05.25 | jhutchins_lt | jbwiv_: Get the debian source, which will have the makefile as built by debian. |
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| 17:06.04 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: isn't debian build process running the original configure script usually? |
| 17:06.32 | erawfish_ | jbwiv_: check if debian/rules calls the script and with what options, add yours if it does |
| 17:07.19 | jbwiv_ | erawfish_, in that file I see DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS...I suppose I can add my args here |
| 17:07.22 | jbwiv_ | thanks |
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| 17:07.52 | jbwiv_ | In this case, I'm interested in rebuilding gtk+. If I do this and install my own package, is there an easy way to roll back? |
| 17:08.04 | erawfish_ | just install the original debian one |
| 17:08.48 | jbwiv_ | erawfish_, will simply doing apt-get install gtk+ download and install the original one over mine? |
| 17:09.18 | erawfish_ | not apt-get but dpkg |
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| 17:09.36 | jbwiv_ | erawfish_, ah, ok, so I'll need to manually download the file. ok, thanks very much |
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| 17:10.16 | jhutchins_lt | jbwiv_: You may have to remove your package before installing the debian package. |
| 17:10.34 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: why? |
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| 17:11.48 | jbwiv_ | jhutchins_lt, that could be a nightmare potentially I'd imagine...what with the many dependencies on gtk+ |
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| 17:12.01 | jbwiv_ | but perhaps with dpkg dependencies aren't followed |
| 17:12.07 | jbwiv_ | sorry guys...new to the package buildling dept |
| 17:13.15 | l0x_ph1x | http://pastebin.com/iktuyuMz |
| 17:13.47 | gary_golden | how to grep for ;; at the end of line? |
| 17:14.04 | gary_golden | i.e. how to say 'at the end of line' ? |
| 17:14.20 | jbwiv_ | gary_golden, cat file | grep -E ';;$' |
| 17:14.22 | jbwiv_ | try that |
| 17:14.40 | gary_golden | jbwiv_: I did, it doesn't work :( |
| 17:15.00 | babilen | jbwiv_: useless use of cat ... you can give files directly to grep |
| 17:15.10 | jbwiv_ | babilen, true. contrived ex |
| 17:15.20 | jbwiv_ | gary_golden, you sure? works on my end |
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| 17:16.15 | babilen | jbwiv_: Works just fine over here. Could you please provide real input and the output you get? (â http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 17:16.22 | blubberdiblub | maybe gary_golden has got a file with windows line endings. then the carriage return before the line feed would prevent that regex to match |
| 17:16.35 | babilen | ENICK -- s/jbwiv_/gary_golden |
| 17:16.53 | gary_golden | http://paste.debian.net/140434/ |
| 17:16.55 | pizza_biz | any recommendations for a iptables-based firewall package that's quick and easy to set up? don't need much fancy, just open ports for web, mail, and ssh, deny everything else. |
| 17:17.14 | gary_golden | blubberdiblub: I'll check for this |
| 17:17.22 | babilen | Nothing dos2unix couldn't change -- gary_golden What is the output of "file FILE" ? |
| 17:17.25 | jbwiv_ | pizza_biz, firehol is awesome, thought not really maintained. I recently switched over to shorewall for this |
| 17:17.36 | jbwiv_ | ufw is kinda easy, but different |
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| 17:18.37 | gary_golden | babilen: no, it's just a line from target file to show that there is searched string. then failing egrep example |
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| 17:19.31 | babilen | gary_golden: Works fine here with your input -- http://paste.debian.net/140437/ |
| 17:19.40 | gary_golden | babilen: blubberdiblub: indeed, it was windows line endings. fixed with dos2unix |
| 17:19.46 | babilen | great |
| 17:20.01 | gary_golden | :) |
| 17:20.38 | babilen | Using different line endings is one of the more stupid things that have been done ... |
| 17:21.31 | gary_golden | little billy always wanted to look different from others |
| 17:22.43 | blubberdiblub | well, actually, if you interpret CR and LF in strict ASCII terms, it makes some sense to use both .. but i prefer one char (instead of 2) as line separator as well |
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| 17:24.38 | NickBelhomme | Hi travkin, just wanna say thanks for your support yesterday |
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| 17:24.47 | NickBelhomme | my system is back up and running perfectly |
| 17:24.49 | gary_golden | I was teached in school that CR means moving caret back to first column. literally, caret of old typing machine. that ones that type on paper |
| 17:24.56 | abrotman | taught ? |
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| 17:28.08 | pizza_biz | jbwiv_: ufw looks like it should suit my needs for now, thanks. |
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| 17:28.59 | jbwiv_ | pizza_biz, no probs |
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| 17:29.28 | jbwiv_ | pizza_biz, if you're on gnome, there's a frontend called gufw |
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| 17:30.55 | pizza_biz | yeah, saw that. this is going to be a headless box that i'll probably only be accessing through ssh for the most part. the CLI was simple enough to do add, add, add, add, deny all. |
| 17:32.16 | tomlabirt | how can i search that which package contains libXm.so.3? |
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| 17:34.36 | travkin | NickBelhomme, np :) |
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| 17:34.38 | roshanavand | says hi |
| 17:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: install apt-file |
| 17:35.04 | roshanavand | I have a problem related to acpi |
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| 17:36.08 | erawfish_ | tomlabirt: or visit packages.debian.org |
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| 17:36.20 | tomlabirt | thx |
| 17:36.49 | roshanavand | I have created an acpi event which is running a .sh file that mutes my microphone, then I have added a line for sending a notify that microphone is muted |
| 17:37.14 | roshanavand | it's working but notify doesn't send |
| 17:37.24 | roshanavand | you can see my files here: http://pastebin.com/PzBH6HZG |
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| 17:44.07 | HashNuke | how do I interpret this dpkg version for a package "2:1.2.0-1"? I don't understand the colon part. Is it just 2.1 or 1.2? |
| 17:44.59 | themill | !version epoch |
| 17:44.59 | dpkg | The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision> |
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| 17:45.31 | tomlabirt | the apt-file search libXm.so.3 is in the libmotif3 package, but when i want to install it with apt-get install libmotif3 it tells me that the following package is not found : libmotif3 |
| 17:45.52 | HashNuke | themill: so everything after the colon is the actual version? |
| 17:46.13 | themill | HashNuke: sort of. epoch:upstreamversion-debianrevision |
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| 17:46.26 | HashNuke | themill: thanks! |
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| 17:47.17 | themill | HashNuke: the changelog for xfce4-clipman might explain why it got its epoch |
| 17:47.43 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.46 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:52.49 | jelly-home | ,versions libmotif3 |
| 17:52.51 | judd | Package: libmotif3 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.2.3-4 |
| 17:53.15 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: do an apt-file update (as root) first |
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| 17:54.39 | tomlabirt | jelly-home: i've done it |
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| 17:56.26 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Perhaps it's not in squeeze? |
| 17:57.07 | jelly-home | that seems to be the case, but apt-file should not show it any more |
| 17:57.32 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, it's libmotif4 in squeeze. |
| 17:57.44 | jelly-home | tomlabirt: eh, get it from lenny and from packages.debian.org if you have a binary that still needs it |
| 17:58.49 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: Get it working yet? |
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| 17:59.25 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: the touch screen? |
| 17:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: ? |
| 17:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: It can be done. |
| 17:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: They kept throwing me new touchscreens and I went through this over and over. |
| 18:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | tomlabirt: Touchscreen support tends to lag well behind current kernels and software releases. We were sticking with RHEL 4 and trying to slowly move into 5. |
| 18:01.31 | jhutchins_lt | This was two years ago. |
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| 18:02.59 | volkan | can someone share with me him/her .bashrc file? |
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| 18:04.24 | tomlabirt | jhutchins_lt: I'am here: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libmotif3 how can i download the package? :S |
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| 18:05.04 | Dergel | maybe someone could help me with postfix/dovecot? |
| 18:05.18 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 18:05.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:07.46 | tomlabirt | ok i solved |
| 18:07.53 | Dergel | well.... running debian squeeze with froxlor. Then installed postfix and dovecot and configured it. But I'm not able to connect with Thunderbird... in mail.err i got thousands of this lines: fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_alias_maps.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem |
| 18:08.09 | abrotman | froxlor ? |
| 18:08.45 | Dergel | yes... not important... variant of syscp I think |
| 18:09.58 | Dergel | google said i have to change all occurances of localhost to 127.0.0.1 in config files, but this did'nt help |
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| 18:11.49 | Sevalecan | how do I change the parameters grub passes to the kernels when debian automatically regenerates the grub.conf? |
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| 18:12.47 | Sevalecan | hm... |
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| 18:13.00 | Sevalecan | I'm wondering why I don't have a /etc/default/grub file now |
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| 18:14.29 | abrotman | are you using grub-pc ? |
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| 18:14.55 | Sevalecan | huh, thought I was. |
| 18:14.59 | Sevalecan | so, I guess not |
| 18:15.01 | Sevalecan | switches :P |
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| 18:17.56 | Sugitime | Im installing Debian 5.0.9 64bit on VMWare 8 and it gets stuck at 2%, Detecting Hardware, please wait... Has anyone run into this issue before, or have an idea of how to resolve it? |
| 18:18.59 | boudiccas | Sugitime; graphical mode? if so, try text mode |
| 18:18.59 | abrotman | why Debian 5? |
| 18:19.20 | Sugitime | Because our production server is debian 5.0.9, and I wanted to make a prod server w/ the same version. |
| 18:19.26 | Sugitime | And yes it is graphical. I'll try text. Thanks |
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| 18:19.58 | gary_golden | Sugitime: you can try to switch to debugging console with ctrl + alt + f12 and see what happens |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | f3 you mean ? |
| 18:20.21 | abrotman | f4? certainly not f12 |
| 18:20.31 | gary_golden | vmware may have a key to allow send ctrl and/or alt to vm machine |
| 18:20.39 | gary_golden | may be f3 or f4 :) |
| 18:20.45 | gary_golden | most important is what is written there |
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| 18:20.50 | Sugitime | text install worked |
| 18:21.27 | boudiccas | Sugitime; now try rebooting |
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| 18:22.30 | abrotman | Sugitime: why Lenny? why not squeeze? |
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| 18:23.06 | GNU\colossus | masochism. |
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| 18:24.21 | boudiccas | Sugitime> Because our production server is debian 5.0.9, and I wanted to make a prod server w/ the same version. |
| 18:24.29 | Sugitime | <Sugitime> Because our production server is debian 5.0.9, and I wanted to make a prod server w/ the same version. |
| 18:25.32 | ompaul | Sugitime: have you considered that it might be time to upgrade your production environment methinks |
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| 18:26.11 | ompaul | Sugitime: also why is it vmware on the hardware |
| 18:26.24 | Sugitime | I just started at this job, and everything is so unbelievably terribly managed that right now, I have to take things one step at a time |
| 18:26.36 | Sugitime | The VMWare is for my dev system, not prod. |
| 18:26.42 | Sugitime | The prod server is hardware, my dev is vmware |
| 18:26.54 | ompaul | Sugitime: that I understand, so do kvm debian on debian |
| 18:26.56 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 18:26.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 18:27.19 | Sugitime | boudiccas: Im pretty sure I didnt replace my puncuation with the enter key. |
| 18:27.21 | Sugitime | Thanks though. |
| 18:27.24 | file-exists-p | anybody knows hdparm well? |
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| 18:27.32 | file-exists-p | something weird here |
| 18:27.36 | boudiccas | !ask |
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| 18:27.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:27.43 | Sugitime | ompaul: Kvm debian on debian? Never heard of it. |
| 18:27.49 | file-exists-p | hdparm seems to ignore the -S option |
| 18:27.51 | peterrooney | Sugitime: an upgrade to squeeze is straightforward, if you take the time to read the release notes and mark out potential gotchas (firmare-nonfree being most likely issue). what services does the machine provide? |
| 18:28.03 | Mars75 | Hi there ! I have installed squeeze on an Shuttle XS35GT (a fanless PC). It works but I observe few lantecies. I think it is related to the hard drive. It appears to slow and to rerun again. Is there anything I could try ? Is there any kernel configuration I should use ? Thanks for your help. |
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| 18:28.17 | ompaul | Sugitime: it's a debian and run a kvm if you want to virtualise |
| 18:28.20 | Sugitime | peterrooney: Its a web server. I will be doing the upgrade, but I dont have the time at the moment. |
| 18:28.24 | peterrooney | wishes he didn't have to upgrade legacy systems either. |
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| 18:29.13 | Mr_Smile | ÐÑем веÑеÑа бодÑого |
| 18:29.24 | Sugitime | I stepped into a web developer, web manager, system admin position that this company has never had before. In a perfect world, I could upgrade to the latest verisons, but unfortunately, I have things I need to take care of first :) |
| 18:29.30 | peterrooney | Sugitime: there were no noticeable changes to apache, so your test run should be easy |
| 18:29.47 | Mr_Smile | hi all |
| 18:30.01 | Sugitime | Yeah, it should only take me one day or so. But its also not our physical box. Its hosted, so I need to get the hosting company involved. |
| 18:30.20 | Mr_Smile | im install sphinx on deb |
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| 18:30.33 | Sugitime | I've convinced the owner to colo our own servers at a DC here, so maybe I'll just wait till then to upgrade. So I can just install it fresh and move everything. |
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| 18:30.54 | Mr_Smile | but have a problem... quick start in manual - All the example commands below assume that you installed Sphinx in /usr/local/sphinx, so searchd can be found in /usr/local/sphinx/bin/searchd. |
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| 18:31.02 | Mr_Smile | but i havent this directory |
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| 18:31.16 | Mr_Smile | anybody know this problem? |
| 18:31.27 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 18:31.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:31.31 | Quibus | is it me or does the Adobe Flash plugin suddenly crash all the time on Debian testing? |
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| 18:32.48 | gumbox | just you, Quibus |
| 18:32.58 | gumbox | although flash for linux does suck |
| 18:33.05 | gumbox | what browser are you using? |
| 18:33.14 | Quibus | Iceweasel |
| 18:33.16 | gumbox | and what version.. 32 or 64 |
| 18:33.19 | Quibus | 64 |
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| 18:33.30 | gumbox | yes, flash 64-bit is even worse than the 32-bit one |
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| 18:34.18 | gumbox | so... not just you, actually |
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| 18:34.53 | gumbox | do like me and disable it altogether.. |
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| 18:35.14 | gumbox | enable only when you need it... there are extensions that make that convenient |
| 18:35.24 | boudiccas | flash is vastly over-rated |
| 18:36.00 | gumbox | You're understating it. It's a real pile of crap. |
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| 18:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think flash for linux is any worse than it is on other platforms. |
| 18:36.25 | jhutchins_lt | When it's necessary, it's necessary. Providers insist on using it. |
| 18:36.36 | gumbox | Well, on Linux, even if you ignore the crashes, it's ridiculously slower than on Windows. |
| 18:37.01 | Quibus | gumbox: it worked for months |
| 18:37.04 | boudiccas | but you dont have to use it. if a site that i visit has flash, then i leave the site |
| 18:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's more that there are a lot of bad implementations of flash than any inherent problem with the protocol |
| 18:37.12 | Quibus | But now the weasel keeps reporting me it crashed |
| 18:37.19 | Quibus | Reloading often helps, odd enough |
| 18:37.24 | zambaroo | hi. i am building a source package. is it possible to put something in source/include-binaries and source/include-removal that would accept all changed binaries and be ok with all of the removed files? |
| 18:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: Is flash the only thing you've added to iceweasel? |
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| 18:37.48 | Quibus | no, but I haven't added something recently |
| 18:38.08 | jhutchins_lt | You're also running testing, the purpose of which is to FIND BUGS. |
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| 18:38.26 | jhutchins_lt | So I'd say you've found one, now it's your job to properly document it. |
| 18:38.30 | gumbox | That happens to me sometimes... usually closing the browser (and making sure the process is actually dead) helps. |
| 18:38.43 | Quibus | jhutchins_lt: it's not very useful to report bugs on proprietary software in Debian |
| 18:38.46 | gumbox | I suggest you don't report that as a bug. |
| 18:38.58 | jhutchins_lt | I get zero crashes on 32b stable with flash. |
| 18:39.10 | Quibus | I got zero until 2 or 3 days ago |
| 18:39.19 | Quibus | It may be the bloody nvidia driver though |
| 18:39.23 | gumbox | Did you update it? |
| 18:39.26 | jhutchins_lt | I don't recall seeing any crashes reported on 64b stable either. |
| 18:39.32 | Quibus | no, I upgraded that nvidia driver |
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| 18:40.27 | boudiccas | sounds like you've found the source of the crashes |
| 18:40.30 | jhutchins_lt | Quibus: You could fall back to the earlier driver, that would let you know if that's where the bug is. Report it to Nvidia if that's where it is. |
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| 18:40.35 | gumbox | sometimes flash crashes here when I have multiple tabs open with flash in them |
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| 18:41.18 | jhutchins_lt | gumbox: THere's one page where I typically open up to six flash videos that are about 1/3 screen each. I can have more than one playing at once, although it does suck resources. |
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| 18:41.39 | jhutchins_lt | The pages typically have one or more flash animations as well. |
| 18:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | (It's an admittedly annoying site.) |
| 18:41.57 | gumbox | yes... well, that's why I use ad-block |
| 18:42.47 | jhutchins_lt | GeForce FX 5500 |
| 18:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | xorg driver. |
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| 18:43.33 | gumbox | hopefully with Apple refusing to use flash and Google supporting pushing webm flash will lose relevance. |
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| 18:43.49 | Quibus | OK, it *is* related to that driver |
| 18:43.55 | Quibus | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167698 |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | gumbox: now you just have to get 50% of the web devs to stop using it :) |
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| 18:44.52 | gumbox | yes.. the problem is the inertia |
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| 18:45.17 | robin_sz | so, I have a lvm2 / cryptfs disk that is playing up ... if I use a Squeeze live cd, should I be able to mount it? |
| 18:45.18 | gumbox | webmasters don't want to have to support multiple formats at the same time, so they simply don't make the switch |
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| 18:45.45 | boudiccas | robin_sz; define 'playing up' please? |
| 18:45.50 | jhutchins_lt | gumbox: Too many creators have invested money in tools and training. |
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| 18:46.16 | gumbox | Well, to be fair, the training of web developers is usually a joke in most of the world. |
| 18:47.13 | robin_sz | boudiccas, heads hunting .. its obviously on its last legs. I tried another live cd, /dev/mapper found it, and it succesfully accepted the cryptfs password, so its not too bad yet .. but that system didnt have lvm2 so I was unable to mount it |
| 18:47.22 | jhutchins_lt | Even if it's only manhours fiddling with it, it's an expense. |
| 18:47.43 | advocatusdiaboli | How can I make an artificial sized desktop? |
| 18:47.45 | gumbox | It sure is. |
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| 18:47.54 | robin_sz | i was thinking of trying to mount it with squezze recue live |
| 18:47.56 | gumbox | What do you mean, advocatus? |
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| 18:47.59 | advocatusdiaboli | My screen is 640x480, but I would like the screen to be 1920x1080 |
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| 18:48.16 | gumbox | Your monitor might not support that. |
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| 18:48.33 | advocatusdiaboli | Obviously the screen will only show the upper left 640x480 of the 1920x1080 |
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| 18:48.40 | abrotman | or he one of those special vieo cards |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | video |
| 18:48.51 | advocatusdiaboli | Not interested in seeing it all |
| 18:48.54 | blubberdiblub | or he just means virtual size |
| 18:48.56 | gumbox | hm... so you want some sort of zoom |
| 18:49.03 | advocatusdiaboli | I just need to make a screenshot |
| 18:49.03 | blubberdiblub | with scrolling |
| 18:49.06 | advocatusdiaboli | Not need to zoom it |
| 18:49.14 | gumbox | I get it... ok |
| 18:49.27 | gumbox | more like pan and scan than zoom |
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| 18:49.58 | blubberdiblub | i do it with xorg.conf but there's most probably a way to do it without changing the config |
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| 18:50.18 | advocatusdiaboli | blubberdiblub: How? |
| 18:50.40 | Quibus | Does someone know if Bart Martens is on IRC? (The DD) |
| 18:50.43 | advocatusdiaboli | I like the xorg.conf way |
| 18:50.50 | robin_sz | I was thinking of this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-rescue.iso as it has cryptsetup and lvm2 |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | Quibus: he does IRC .. dunno about right now .. why? |
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| 18:51.21 | advocatusdiaboli | xorg.conf virtual screen size or xorg.conf virtual screen resolution? |
| 18:51.29 | blubberdiblub | advocatusdiaboli, Virtual xdim ydim in the display subsection. man xorg.conf and grep for virtual |
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| 18:51.53 | Quibus | abrotman: he did the flashplugin-nonfree package and I'd like to ask him how I can use that package to install the flash 11.2 beta which is supposed to ahve these crashes fixed |
| 18:52.04 | robin_sz | anything else I need to know about the moutn command for a lvm2 disk? |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | Quibus: did you try the update-flash or whatever it is that the package has ? |
| 18:52.21 | KAREEEEM | i dont have a swap partition.. how can i create an configure a swap file |
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| 18:52.32 | robin_sz | mount /dev/mapper/blahblah /media/foo? |
| 18:52.41 | abrotman | KAREEEEM: man mkswap |
| 18:52.47 | Quibus | abrotman: the 11.2 is a beta. Current version gives the problems. |
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| 18:52.52 | gumbox | You don't need to get proprietary flash from the reps... just download it and copy the plugin to the right directory. |
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| 18:53.01 | abrotman | Quibus: so just download it and overwrite the libflashplayer.os |
| 18:53.02 | abrotman | .so |
| 18:53.11 | Quibus | abrotman: well, that can be done yes |
| 18:53.20 | abrotman | and the problem with that is ... ? |
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| 18:53.47 | Quibus | abrotman: well, I thought the script did a bit more than just that |
| 18:54.05 | abrotman | Quibus: it does .. but those parts don't have to be redone |
| 18:54.33 | Quibus | let's see what it does |
| 18:54.39 | advocatusdiaboli | blubberdiblub: I found this :-) grep Virtual, not virtual |
| 18:54.54 | gumbox | newer flash adds some stuff to usr/bin a /urs/lib, I suppose, but those come with the tgz from the website |
| 18:55.04 | robin_sz | ahh, found a tutorial ... |
| 18:55.04 | blubberdiblub | advocatusdiaboli, yeah, i've set my less to search case insensitively, so it doesn't matter for me ;) |
| 18:55.32 | Quibus | yep that does |
| 18:55.37 | Quibus | abrotman: thanks for telling me the obvious :-) |
| 18:55.44 | abrotman | you're welcome |
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| 18:56.01 | Quibus | oh shoot |
| 18:56.14 | Quibus | no crashes, but just garbage video now :( |
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| 18:57.11 | Quibus | nope, not ood |
| 18:57.13 | Quibus | +g |
| 18:57.18 | Quibus | well, thanks anyway |
| 18:57.23 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 19:00.21 | ws2k3 | i have alot of connections on my debian machine. is there a program to get a list of the top 10 or top 5 host where to most data traffic goes to? |
| 19:01.21 | petemc | iftop can show you a realtime list |
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| 19:06.55 | abrotman | jnettop also |
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| 19:08.32 | ws2k3 | abrotman yeaaah man thx! |
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| 19:09.59 | linduxed | i've got a friend that just asked me if there's a way to have bash treat the working directory as a part of the path |
| 19:10.19 | linduxed | basically so that he wouldn't need to typ ./ in front of executables |
| 19:10.30 | boudiccas | ah, the mythical friend! |
| 19:10.55 | linduxed | boudiccas: dude don't give me that shit, i find the idea weird and i wouldn't want it |
| 19:11.02 | ompaul | linduxed: there is such a way, it is called a security nightmare so I won't be telling you. ;-) hard luck |
| 19:11.03 | linduxed | boudiccas: on top of that, i use zsh |
| 19:11.06 | abrotman | linduxed: yes .. you can put "." in your path .. but it's a horrible idea |
| 19:11.17 | abrotman | linduxed: it's an awful idea |
| 19:11.17 | advocatusdiaboli | Is it possible to script FireFox? I have no need to see it on the screen, but I need screenshot of firefox at a certain URL. |
| 19:11.18 | ompaul | abrotman: I wouldn't tell him that but there you go |
| 19:11.30 | linduxed | ompaul: that's what i thought more or less, but i wasn't sure |
| 19:11.35 | abrotman | ompaul: security risk vs lazy .. oh well |
| 19:11.38 | abrotman | yay windows |
| 19:11.45 | ompaul | linduxed: : happy bad machine days |
| 19:11.59 | ompaul | you will kill the box or they will but it will die oh well |
| 19:12.03 | advocatusdiaboli | man firefox tells me:No manual entry for firefox |
| 19:12.05 | linduxed | ompaul: well... it's not my machine ä-D |
| 19:12.06 | advocatusdiaboli | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 19:12.07 | linduxed | :-D |
| 19:12.10 | linduxed | ompaul: hahaha |
| 19:12.19 | linduxed | ompaul: but i don't think i'd subject him to that |
| 19:12.25 | ompaul | linduxed: so don't encourage stupidity |
| 19:12.37 | linduxed | ompaul: well, that's a good point |
| 19:13.07 | abrotman | it woudl be man iceweasel wouldn't it ? |
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| 19:13.33 | linduxed | ompaul: i told him before i asked here that the reason one shouldn't do that is to have a clear distinction between actual commands in the path and non-path executables |
| 19:13.51 | linduxed | ompaul: do you have a better reason (or a more succint one) that i could tell him? |
| 19:13.57 | advocatusdiaboli | firefox "http://www.google.com"& works |
| 19:15.09 | ompaul | linduxed: tell him you asked #debian and the common wisdom is that you never put . in your path, because a mis typed command at some stage could become a run command later where you pipe things and typo |
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| 19:15.26 | ompaul | linduxed: that is it, if they don't understand that, not my problem. |
| 19:16.01 | ompaul | linduxed: and then they lose all their data be it music or less valuable |
| 19:16.08 | linduxed | ompaul: fair enough, i think that's pretty much what i said then |
| 19:17.19 | ompaul | linduxed: let me phrase it this way for you, there are people who think I fix windows computers. They wonder why they have live cds in their hands, with a come back to me when you've decided to run Debian. |
| 19:17.31 | ompaul | and I mean debian |
| 19:17.49 | ws2k3 | how should i fully block an ip adres with iptables? |
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| 19:19.59 | Greg10 | Hello, I'd like to install the openLDAP overlay nssov on debian squeeze; Is there a way to comfortably do this? (e.g. a .deb) |
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| 19:20.34 | linduxed | ompaul: well then i guess you wouldn't appreciate this guy's laziness then :-) |
| 19:20.36 | robin_sz | I can see I am going to regret runing cryptfs |
| 19:21.11 | boudiccas | robin_sz; its another layer of complexity |
| 19:21.19 | robin_sz | well yes |
| 19:21.19 | ws2k3 | how should i fully block an ip adres with iptables? |
| 19:22.08 | boudiccas | robin_sz; or another layer of failure! |
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| 19:22.23 | robin_sz | boudiccas, so my plan is ... cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb |
| 19:22.36 | Sugitime | I have an interesting issue... I am trying to install things, but my user is not on the sudoers list. I can't edit the sudoer's list because I am not on it, and I cant login as root because debian tells me that login as root is not allowed from login screen. |
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| 19:22.43 | robin_sz | boudiccas, then vgscan --mknodes |
| 19:23.47 | boudiccas | Sugitime; su - |
| 19:23.53 | robin_sz | and vgchange -ay |
| 19:24.09 | robin_sz | hopefully I can then mount the damn thing |
| 19:24.34 | boudiccas | robin_sz; i thought that the disk was failing? |
| 19:24.42 | Sugitime | boudiccas: thanks you |
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| 19:24.59 | robin_sz | boudiccas, i cant boot off it, it hunts |
| 19:25.35 | robin_sz | boudiccas, but, a live cd opend the crypted partition ok, but didnt have lvm2 installed to mount it |
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| 19:26.13 | robin_sz | it did succesfully unlock the slot though |
| 19:26.31 | boudiccas | robin_sz; mount, backup, replace the disk, and restore without cryptfs |
| 19:27.05 | robin_sz | yes |
| 19:27.05 | robin_sz | lets hope it mounts ... |
| 19:27.26 | robin_sz | going to try the squezze rescue .iso as it has cryptsetup and lvm2 |
| 19:27.52 | robin_sz | just cat'ingit onto a usb key now |
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| 19:31.02 | linduxed | how does one check if a system is 64-bit? |
| 19:31.40 | tensorpudding | uname -m |
| 19:32.19 | tensorpudding | if it says x86_64, it's 64-bit |
| 19:32.28 | tensorpudding | for other 64-bit archs you'll just have to remember which is which |
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| 19:33.16 | Sugitime | During my install of Debian (5.0.9), I selected for it to install SQL Server. Once the install was done, I tried to access MySQL, only to find it was not installed. So what installed then, if MySQL did not? |
| 19:34.18 | tensorpudding | i'm not actually sure if sparc is 64 or 32 bit |
| 19:34.50 | tensorpudding | or powerpc for that matter |
| 19:35.53 | Gargantua | Hey guys |
| 19:35.55 | Gargantua | root@laptix:/home/gargantua# find / -name "xorg.conf" |
| 19:35.56 | Gargantua | /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/examples/xorg.conf |
| 19:35.56 | Gargantua | /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf |
| 19:36.02 | Gargantua | Sorry :/ |
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| 19:36.26 | Gargantua | http://askubuntu.com/questions/35968/multi-screen-problems-virtual-size-does-not-fit-available-size |
| 19:36.35 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 19:36.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:36.47 | Gargantua | I'm actually running into this same problem, however, I don't have the Ati Catalyst Control Center in Adiminstirative. |
| 19:36.51 | Gargantua | Help please? |
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| 19:38.36 | Gargantua | boudiccas: my apologies. |
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| 19:52.40 | robin_sz | yay, crypted lvm2 drive mounted ... hurrah! |
| 19:53.06 | boudiccas | robin_sz; quick backup! |
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| 19:53.12 | robin_sz | boudiccas, so, I mounted it and quickly rsync'd the stuff I really care about off onto a drive already |
| 19:53.30 | boudiccas | robin_sz; sensible fellow |
| 19:53.31 | robin_sz | so, panic over |
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| 19:54.27 | boudiccas | now you need to institute a sensible backup policy |
| 19:54.30 | robin_sz | now ... whats the best way to pull it all off and start over ? ... just rsync the mnt'd partition onto a usb drive? |
| 19:54.44 | boudiccas | robin_sz; yes |
| 19:55.34 | robin_sz | boudiccas, I have backup policy, it syncs to Amazon S3 normally, except this was a new Squeeze install and I copied home dir over, did a weeks worth of work and then reallised I never set up the cron job to run the S3 sync |
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| 19:55.44 | robin_sz | my bad |
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| 19:56.23 | robin_sz | I keep meaning to buy a dromo or whatever those backup solutions are |
| 19:57.00 | boudiccas | robin_sz; i use a usb h/d and rsync to it every 3 hours |
| 19:57.17 | robin_sz | cd ..I guess there are worse solutions |
| 19:57.38 | robin_sz | I could even put the usb disk in the gun safe on an extender |
| 19:59.11 | robin_sz | i like to have someting offsite as well. I did run Amanda for a while .. but it seemed to get stuck too much |
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| 19:59.57 | robin_sz | hmmm .. 45gb ... will anyting be faster than rsync? |
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| 20:00.17 | robin_sz | or will the usb be the limiting factor? |
| 20:00.36 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: have a look at rdiff |
| 20:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: You're not counting a copy on flash ram as a backup, are you? |
| 20:01.14 | robin_sz | no usb hd |
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| 20:01.29 | robin_sz | just want to drag it all across before disk dies |
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| 20:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | garden: What is your question/problem? |
| 20:04.10 | ws2k3 | how can i fully block a ip adres with iptables? |
| 20:04.28 | ws2k3 | i already did iptables -I INPUT -s 184.154.231.14 -j DROP and iptables -I INPUT -d 184.154.231.14 -j DROP but i still have traffic coming from there |
| 20:04.52 | robin_sz | ptables -A INPUT -s IP-ADDRESS -j DROP |
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| 20:05.26 | robin_sz | where "IP-ADDRESS" is someting like 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 20:05.36 | ws2k3 | i already did iptables -I INPUT -s 184.154.231.14 -j DROP and iptables -I INPUT -d 184.154.231.14 -j DROP but i still have traffic coming from there |
| 20:06.01 | robin_sz | what do you mean "traffic coming from there" |
| 20:06.06 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 20:06.16 | robin_sz | no, yeah is not an answer |
| 20:06.17 | ws2k3 | my servers is recieving from that ip |
| 20:06.21 | robin_sz | yes |
| 20:06.23 | ws2k3 | i'm sorry i was thinking |
| 20:06.30 | ws2k3 | my server is recieving from that |
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| 20:06.35 | ws2k3 | but i just totaly wanne block is |
| 20:06.36 | robin_sz | and? is it processing the data in any way? |
| 20:06.45 | ws2k3 | UDP packets |
| 20:06.59 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Traffic will continue to reach your server but be dropped by the firewall. You don't stop it from coming in, you stop it from reaching a socket. |
| 20:07.04 | robin_sz | you cant stop ppl on the net sending you stuff |
| 20:07.22 | robin_sz | what he said ^^ |
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| 20:07.37 | robin_sz | well, actually .. there is a way |
| 20:07.50 | ompaul | don't be on the net |
| 20:08.03 | robin_sz | but you need plane tickets, a gps, handgun and some spare time |
| 20:08.07 | ws2k3 | is it wise to just deny the package? |
| 20:08.17 | robin_sz | drop is better |
| 20:08.22 | ompaul | put a firewall between you and the server and think it might be good |
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| 20:08.44 | robin_sz | "deny the package" ? |
| 20:08.50 | robin_sz | what does that mean? |
| 20:08.57 | ws2k3 | not drop |
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| 20:09.01 | ws2k3 | butDENY |
| 20:09.07 | robin_sz | drop is silent |
| 20:09.11 | ws2k3 | i know |
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| 20:09.22 | robin_sz | deny ... not really appropriate for udp |
| 20:09.27 | ws2k3 | but with deny i send all the crap they send to me right back |
| 20:09.28 | robin_sz | same sort fo thing as there is no ack |
| 20:09.35 | robin_sz | no |
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| 20:09.51 | robin_sz | deny just refuses the connect |
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| 20:10.06 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 20:10.17 | robin_sz | for UDP, there is no connect and ack |
| 20:10.35 | zambaroo | is there a tool that generates source/include-binaries? |
| 20:10.54 | robin_sz | zambaroo, yes .. its called a "programmer" |
| 20:11.02 | zambaroo | robin_sz, ah lovely |
| 20:11.33 | robin_sz | what do you mean "generates source" |
| 20:11.47 | zambaroo | the context is building a source package |
| 20:11.49 | robin_sz | normally, I use carbon based bipeds for that |
| 20:12.02 | robin_sz | ah, debian pacakging? |
| 20:12.08 | zambaroo | very clever on your part, yes :) |
| 20:12.19 | zambaroo | indeed, debian packaging. |
| 20:12.25 | ws2k3 | ok thx for the info |
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| 20:12.37 | ws2k3 | does anyone if its possible to let iptables self block some thing |
| 20:12.39 | robin_sz | right, sorry, now I have the context, i have to sadly tell you I cannot help. |
| 20:13.01 | ws2k3 | for example that if wish that if a connection is faster then ...... break it and block it for 7 days? |
| 20:13.05 | robin_sz | ws2k3, you mean automatically spot a Bad Thing happening and insert a rule? |
| 20:13.12 | robin_sz | yes it is |
| 20:13.14 | solrize | how do i find what pkg dig and nslookup are in? |
| 20:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | dnsutils? |
| 20:13.27 | solrize | tx |
| 20:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | solrize: apt-file |
| 20:13.57 | robin_sz | ws2k3, just write a script to grep your log file and insert rules etc |
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| 20:14.20 | ws2k3 | point is i dont have a log file right now |
| 20:14.20 | robin_sz | ws2k3, there may be packages to do that, I didnt find one |
| 20:14.33 | ws2k3 | well i have read that iptables itself can do some thing |
| 20:14.46 | ws2k3 | those sort of things are possible ws2k3, wiht things like the recent, match, the limit match and maybe the hashlimit match |
| 20:14.47 | robin_sz | oh, right send me the url where you read that |
| 20:14.50 | boudiccas | some thing? |
| 20:15.08 | jhutchins_lt | There is fail2ban, which I believe focuses on ssh brute force attacks, and there is throttling/limiting within iptables. |
| 20:15.09 | ws2k3 | link is #netfilter on freenode :D |
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| 20:15.26 | ws2k3 | a gay on #netfilter is telling me that |
| 20:15.40 | robin_sz | you sure he is gay? |
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| 20:15.46 | boudiccas | what difference does his sexuality make? |
| 20:15.49 | zambaroo | takes one to know one. |
| 20:15.51 | robin_sz | has no idea |
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| 20:16.07 | zambaroo | (he probably meant 'guy') |
| 20:16.16 | WormFood | something fairly recently broke with cups-pdf... my problem is exactly like what is described here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617468 but *none* of their "solutions" work...this fuckin' shit is driving me crazy. I've been fighting with this for at least 2 hours. purging, reinstalling, reading, tweaking....holy fuck, nothing works! |
| 20:16.17 | robin_sz | he probably did |
| 20:16.34 | robin_sz | only 2 hours? |
| 20:16.41 | robin_sz | the day is but young! |
| 20:16.43 | WormFood | at least 2 hours |
| 20:16.47 | boudiccas | WormFood; language! |
| 20:16.48 | WormFood | it is 4 am |
| 20:16.56 | robin_sz | the day is but young! |
| 20:17.22 | robin_sz | cups is like that ... it enjoys a good fight |
| 20:17.24 | WormFood | does anyone have a working solution to this problem? pdf printer prints nothing but blank pages |
| 20:17.52 | robin_sz | windows? |
| 20:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions cups-pdf |
| 20:18.30 | judd | Package: cups-pdf on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.8-3; squeeze: 2.5.0-16; wheezy: 2.6.1-1; sid: 2.6.1-3 |
| 20:18.31 | WormFood | it is fuckin' pissing me off...I need this god damn shit to work....I don't expect everything to work perfectly every time, but after I spend over 2 hours reading about people with the exact same problem and none of their solutions work for me, it just drives me crazy. |
| 20:18.57 | boudiccas | WormFood; why do you swear so much? it shows a paucity of vocabulary |
| 20:19.02 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@220.115.36.198] by ChanServ |
| 20:19.14 | themill | WormFood: take a break from #debian and take a break from your problem. Come back when you can communicate like a civilised human. |
| 20:19.51 | robin_sz | I feel his pain |
| 20:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | WHat part of "Testing is not meant to be a working production release" do people not get? |
| 20:20.14 | robin_sz | is he on testing? |
| 20:20.23 | themill | jhutchins_lt: if no-one tested it, the release would have all the bugs no-one has found |
| 20:20.25 | qmr | hmmm |
| 20:20.28 | qmr | centos is pretty stable? |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | ask #centos |
| 20:20.42 | boudiccas | qmr; compared to what? |
| 20:20.45 | robin_sz | is that a question or a statement? |
| 20:20.57 | qmr | just a suggestion for .. uh.. WormFood |
| 20:21.03 | robin_sz | ahh :) |
| 20:21.04 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 20:21.04 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Right, but expecting it to be production ready and getting all hacked off when it breaks is silly. If you need guaranteed function, keep a stable boot around. |
| 20:21.12 | qmr | it might be! |
| 20:21.16 | robin_sz | nods |
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| 20:21.38 | qmr | don't use testing on production machines :( |
| 20:21.46 | qmr | here be dragons and all strage manner of beasts |
| 20:21.59 | robin_sz | or even dev machines if you are not prepared for breakage |
| 20:22.32 | blubberdiblub | or even end user machines ;) |
| 20:22.56 | jhutchins_lt | If the Debian devs don't break testing badly a few times between now and whenever they freeze they're not really trying. |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: so perhaps you should revise your first statement? |
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| 20:23.13 | robin_sz | but I do feel his pain with cups ... it has driven me dippy on occasion and is nto the easiest to debug |
| 20:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | Which statement abrotman? |
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| 20:24.09 | abrotman | "hello" |
| 20:24.21 | robin_sz | "world" |
| 20:24.41 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: I infer that he's on testing in that the bug appears in later releases than the current stable cups-pdf. |
| 20:24.44 | lyte_ | "!" |
| 20:24.59 | l4sh | How unstable is unstable? |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: "If you're not prepared to deal with broken bits of testing/unstable, they should stick with stable" ? |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | if part of your "working" includes dealing with the broken bits .. then go for it |
| 20:25.23 | robin_sz | seems a fair statement to me |
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| 20:25.58 | jhutchins_lt | I don't find getting all angry and uncivil about it being prepared to deal. |
| 20:26.05 | abrotman | l4sh: anywhere from very to not so much .. depends on the weather |
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| 20:26.27 | abrotman | thinks jhutchins_lt missed the point .. |
| 20:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | I also think it's smart to keep a stable boot around to compare with testing so you can see what it was that changed to cause the problem. |
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| 20:27.12 | Vonor | hi. a friend of mine needs some help configuring apt. now i am not a debian user but i remember there was a tool called apt-setup. but he says it doesn't exist on his system. did apt-setup get removed and is there a replacement? |
| 20:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | Preferably dual boot and/or chroot on the same hardware. |
| 20:27.46 | boudiccas | Vonor; why cant 'your friend' ask for himself? |
| 20:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | I also think that if we treat running testing as a normal, stable, and supported condition here we will encourage people who are not prepared to deal with it to run testing. |
| 20:27.53 | robin_sz | Vonor, yes, on debian the tool is "vi" and the comand is "vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:28.03 | robin_sz | afaik any way |
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| 20:28.24 | Vonor | boudiccas, not that it matters, but i got him on the phone right now...and no need to put it in "" |
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| 20:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: apt-setup may be from a different distribution that uses apt/dpg |
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| 20:29.50 | robin_sz | Vonor, what exactly is the problem? |
| 20:29.57 | Vonor | jhujhiti, that's odd, cuz a quick google brought up a page called "debiananwenderhandbuch.de" |
| 20:30.21 | medsouz | How do I setup wireless to work with Debian on my laptop? |
| 20:30.45 | robin_sz | well, there you go. Google can find things, Who would have known. ... now again, what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
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| 20:31.11 | Vonor | robin_sz, exactly what i said. he is in need of a tool to create a sources.list other than a plain editor. apt-setup was a nice cli frontend that let you chose the protocol to use and the mirror even...and that's what he wants |
| 20:31.28 | robin_sz | why "other than a plain editor"? |
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| 20:32.16 | robin_sz | well, I'm not aware of one, so, sorry, can;t help |
| 20:32.26 | Vonor | robin_sz, why the heck does it matter why someone does not want to use an editor but instead have a cli-based gui? right, it doesn't matter at all. |
| 20:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: I think that's a tool for setting up the book with apt, or setting up fish, which also has an apt-setup. Debian doesn't appear to have a script by that name. |
| 20:33.01 | medsouz | I'm stumped |
| 20:33.01 | robin_sz | well, afaik, there isnt one in Debian, post install , its vi. |
| 20:33.02 | Vonor | and the page i found on google only tells that apt-setup is there and how to use it, not whether it got removed recently (the page is from 2010) |
| 20:33.12 | medsouz | can't figure out what wireless chip I have or the drivers for it |
| 20:33.22 | medsouz | When I used Ubuntu I had no problem with wireless it was just setup out of the box |
| 20:33.26 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: I haven't seen any source manager for Debian, although I would expect that synaptic has one. |
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| 20:33.30 | robin_sz | medsouz, try lspci |
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| 20:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | !tell medsouz about wifi |
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| 20:34.27 | Vonor | jhutchins, apt-setup is basically the same as the cli based apt configuration during install. and synaptic is X based, which he doesn't have yet |
| 20:34.38 | medsouz | robin_sz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/721064/ |
| 20:34.43 | robin_sz | Vonor, and there is no point bleating on about how you foubnd a page on some german website, we dont run that site, we can only tell you how it is |
| 20:34.59 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions apt-setup |
| 20:35.00 | judd | No package named 'apt-setup' was found in i386. |
| 20:35.31 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like it was dropped back in the oughts. |
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| 20:35.53 | robin_sz | yay! .. never did like graphical config tools |
| 20:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | Ubuntu may still use it. |
| 20:36.06 | Vonor | well, here we go...an english website about debian... http://www.debian-administration.org/users/GoodTimes/weblog/8 |
| 20:36.21 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: It remains that it's not in any of the current releases. |
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| 20:36.37 | robin_sz | Vonor, and your point is? you think if you send us enugh links to webpages, the package will spring into existence? |
| 20:36.57 | medsouz | add old repos? |
| 20:37.11 | medsouz | Probably a terrible idea |
| 20:37.20 | robin_sz | he cant, he has no graphical config tool to add the repos with ;) |
| 20:37.28 | Vonor | robin_sz, my point is, that it used to be there |
| 20:37.30 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: It's pretty easy to get an example file and many third-party repos have a sed command that will add the repo in their instructions. |
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| 20:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: What repos do you need to add? |
| 20:37.42 | robin_sz | Vonor, and my point is its not any more |
| 20:38.01 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: Looks like it didn't make it past sarge. |
| 20:38.29 | Vonor | jhutchins, well, his sources.list is based on cdrom only. he wants to switch to net based sources.list |
| 20:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze sources.list |
| 20:38.51 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:38.59 | Vonor | robin_sz, do me a favor please? speak to the hand, it might be more interested in your unfriendly tone. |
| 20:39.04 | Vonor | jhutchins, thanks mate :-) |
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| 20:39.31 | robin_sz | Vonor, apologies, I just get a bit fed up dealing with idiots all day |
| 20:39.35 | medsouz | nano? |
| 20:39.45 | medsouz | I'm new to Debian, just throwing suggestions |
| 20:39.54 | boudiccas | Vonor; theres nothing wrong wit the way that robin_sz is talking, its just how you interpret it |
| 20:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: You might also want to add contrib non-free to the end of those lines. |
| 20:40.06 | medsouz | All I need is help getting wifi drivers |
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| 20:40.40 | Vonor | robin_sz, then being in a support channel ,ight be not for you :-P apologieses accepted :-) |
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| 20:40.59 | robin_sz | Vonor, .. you'll work it out |
| 20:41.54 | Vonor | robin_sz, my friend eventually will. am only hinting the stuff out to him...like i said, i'm not a debian user :P |
| 20:42.04 | robin_sz | medsouz, sou you have a realtek 8191 |
| 20:42.16 | medsouz | Thanks |
| 20:42.45 | robin_sz | now, I have a vague feeling that has a proprietary binary driver ... |
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| 20:43.53 | boudiccas | Vonor; insulting people is not a good way to gain support! |
| 20:44.18 | jhutchins_lt | rtl8191 |
| 20:44.22 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8191 |
| 20:44.22 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 20:45.01 | jhutchins_lt | AFIK 8191's are still not supported. |
| 20:45.05 | n-iCe | !rtl8187 |
| 20:45.05 | dpkg | Realtek 802.11b/g PCI and USB wireless LAN chipsets (RTL8180L, RTL8185L, RTL8187L, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180, rtl8187 and rtl8187se/r8187se drivers in the Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
| 20:45.19 | medsouz | Ubuntu supports it fine. -_- |
| 20:45.21 | robin_sz | I think its a compile a module time for that one |
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| 20:45.28 | robin_sz | this is not #ubuntu |
| 20:45.34 | medsouz | I know |
| 20:45.45 | medsouz | Just wondering why debian hasn't supported it |
| 20:45.48 | Vonor | boudiccas, i can't remember to have insulted anyone. but i remember to have indirectly been called an idiot...now i guess you gotta address the correct person instead of me :P |
| 20:45.51 | robin_sz | ubuntu are happy to include binary closed source drivers |
| 20:45.56 | robin_sz | we, are not |
| 20:46.00 | peterrooney | the debian prject has this =thing= about libre software |
| 20:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | medsouz: Verify that it's a plain 8191 and check the link above. |
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| 20:46.50 | medsouz | jhutchins, how would I verify it? |
| 20:47.00 | robin_sz | medsouz, and try this page |
| 20:47.01 | robin_sz | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54167 |
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| 20:47.39 | robin_sz | jhutchins_lt, from his lspci. http://paste.ubuntu.com/721064/ |
| 20:47.42 | robin_sz | RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10) |
| 20:48.02 | IRsee | what happens if you cat your sound card? |
| 20:48.09 | robin_sz | it purrs? |
| 20:48.33 | nutterpc | lol |
| 20:48.41 | IRsee | Meow! |
| 20:48.52 | medsouz | So I have to build the drivers myself? |
| 20:49.24 | Vonor | IRsee, not sure what happens this way, but back in the day with oss forwarding the content of urandom to your soundcard was pretty noisy...add a base drum and some other instruments and you got the finest noise music :P |
| 20:49.52 | robin_sz | medsouz, not quite "build" ... but close |
| 20:50.21 | IRsee | Vonor: That was teh old school way to test if the sound card worked =) |
| 20:50.44 | IRsee | or if you wanted to scare unsuspecting friends. |
| 20:51.12 | robin_sz | I prefer the wav file of Linus ... |
| 20:51.15 | jhutchins_lt | Vonor: you might look at netselect-apt |
| 20:52.04 | robin_sz | feed me! |
| 20:52.06 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8191se |
| 20:52.06 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 20:52.28 | IRsee | !util-linux-ng |
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| 20:53.00 | robin_sz | medsouz, is this a Dell M90? I seem to remember needing that driver ... |
| 20:53.06 | IRsee | !util-linux |
| 20:53.06 | medsouz | Its an HP G56 |
| 20:53.10 | jhutchins_lt | Might be able to backport it with dkms. |
| 20:53.29 | medsouz | I just ran apt-get install realtek-firmware |
| 20:53.46 | robin_sz | from contrib? |
| 20:54.19 | robin_sz | if it works, things have improved ... ISTR a lot of hair pulling |
| 20:54.36 | medsouz | No immediate effect |
| 20:54.41 | medsouz | I might have to reboot to reload the stuff |
| 20:54.50 | robin_sz | or just modprobe it |
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| 20:55.08 | Vonor | reboot is evil(tm) |
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| 20:55.21 | unforgiven512 | So, as recommended by someone in here the other day, I removed fglrx and installed radeon |
| 20:55.27 | unforgiven512 | Now X won't start ;) |
| 20:55.42 | Vonor | unforgiven512, did you adjust your xorg.conf? |
| 20:55.44 | unforgiven512 | Wheezy amd64 |
| 20:55.51 | unforgiven512 | I deleted my xorg.conf |
| 20:56.00 | unforgiven512 | I also tried making a new one with the barebones |
| 20:56.01 | robin_sz | blink |
| 20:56.05 | Vonor | X -configure |
| 20:56.06 | unforgiven512 | Section "Device" |
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| 20:56.31 | unforgiven512 | Indentifier...Driver... |
| 20:56.40 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 20:56.40 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 20:56.41 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 20:57.06 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 20:57.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:57.17 | robin_sz | unforgiven512, http://xkcd.com/456/ |
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| 20:57.30 | unforgiven512 | open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory |
| 20:57.54 | unforgiven512 | Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. |
| 20:57.55 | robin_sz | actually no |
| 20:57.58 | unforgiven512 | Configuration failed. |
| 20:58.03 | robin_sz | this is MUCH More relevant: http://xkcd.com/963/ |
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| 20:58.45 | unforgiven512 | robin_sz: :D |
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| 20:59.36 | unforgiven512 | at both of them |
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| 21:00.04 | medsouz | Well, that didn't work |
| 21:01.23 | unforgiven512 | Oh how much of a pain xorg is =/ |
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| 21:02.10 | jhutchins_lt | It's not bad if you can find the right directions to follow. |
| 21:02.39 | en1gma | i insalled the kismet package for debian 6 and have it running but how do you select an AP? im in the cosole and can see the colored AP~s |
| 21:02.40 | jhutchins_lt | unforgiven512: See the wiki above. |
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| 21:03.33 | unforgiven512 | jhutchins_lt: Huh? |
| 21:03.56 | unforgiven512 | Oh |
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| 21:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | I remember when you had to generate modelines manually by guessing your monitor's capabilities. |
| 21:05.04 | unforgiven512 | Yeah, I'm at that page. I followed it to a "tee", not really helpful. |
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| 21:05.37 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins, or by clever adaptation of the svgalib config? ;) |
| 21:05.46 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt even |
| 21:06.11 | robin_sz | i can vaguely remember buying a S3VGA card so I could run X |
| 21:06.27 | robin_sz | and it was bleeding edge and expensive |
| 21:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | unforgiven512: I don't have your hardware, but it looks like you need the framebuffer enabled in the kernel. |
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| 21:07.45 | robin_sz | waits patiently for 45gb to stream onto USB hd |
| 21:07.53 | unforgiven512 | jhutchins_lt: Radeon HD 6850 -- I checked `man 4 radeon`, the support *is* there. |
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| 21:08.40 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, i hope you're not literally catting it ;) |
| 21:09.03 | robin_sz | rsync |
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| 21:09.39 | robin_sz | it seems the lvm2 / crypt fs bit of the disk is fine |
| 21:09.44 | unkmar | i have a server install and the eth0 was working but is broken now. |
| 21:10.03 | boudiccas | unkmar; so? |
| 21:10.21 | unkmar | lspci: Intel 82579V Gigabit |
| 21:10.36 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Did you upgrade something? |
| 21:10.39 | en1gma | i insalled the kismet package for debian 6 and have it running but how do you select an AP? im in the cosole and can see the colored AP~s |
| 21:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Try the kismet documentation and webpage |
| 21:10.59 | robin_sz | unkmar, define "broken" |
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| 21:11.33 | en1gma | wow if everyone read document page..i bet no one would come here |
| 21:11.43 | robin_sz | more than likely your external network changed and your /etc/network/interfaces doesnt match |
| 21:11.44 | unforgiven512 | en1gma: You've got to turn off auto-sort |
| 21:11.55 | en1gma | ahh ok thanks man |
| 21:12.04 | unforgiven512 | en1gma: I think [s]...[f]...then you can scroll through the list. |
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| 21:12.33 | en1gma | ok that was getting me good...because i used it like a year or two ago and i knew i could highlight an AP |
| 21:12.34 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: not that i am aware off |
| 21:12.36 | cvillavicencio | plz, smbody can help me a little bit |
| 21:12.37 | en1gma | i was like wth |
| 21:12.46 | unforgiven512 | lol |
| 21:12.50 | cvillavicencio | i cant connect wifi in debian 6 swzee |
| 21:12.50 | unforgiven512 | Did it work for you? |
| 21:12.54 | robin_sz | so, I suspect the disk is fine mechanically |
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| 21:13.10 | en1gma | not yet |
| 21:13.13 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Well, if you didn't change the software then probably the hardware has changed from not broken -> broken. |
| 21:13.17 | en1gma | its still on auto for some reasin |
| 21:13.34 | en1gma | yep it worked |
| 21:13.37 | en1gma | thanks |
| 21:13.41 | robin_sz | its lvm2 / cryptfs on sdb5 ... and presumably someting on sdb1 ?? initramfs?? |
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| 21:13.47 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: not that i am AWARE off |
| 21:14.05 | unforgiven512 | en1gma: No problem dude. |
| 21:14.29 | unkmar | i suspect somthing upgraded that i was not aware of. |
| 21:14.38 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Still a possibility. Not much we can suggest without more info. |
| 21:14.43 | en1gma | unforgiven512 i selected an AP to see clients...how you go back to AP list |
| 21:14.45 | en1gma | :) |
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| 21:14.56 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Suggest examining dmesg |
| 21:14.58 | unforgiven512 | I think [q] |
| 21:15.10 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, run smartctl over the drive? maybe even badblocks? |
| 21:15.12 | unkmar | i'llgive more when my hands are cleen. |
| 21:15.41 | medsouz | Ugh |
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| 21:15.45 | en1gma | lol nope |
| 21:15.46 | robin_sz | smartctl? |
| 21:15.54 | medsouz | I can't get these damn drivers to make |
| 21:16.11 | medsouz | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 21:16.11 | robin_sz | yay for proprietary binaries |
| 21:16.18 | robin_sz | oh |
| 21:16.18 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, yes, for instructing the drive to do it's S.M.A.R.T. tests |
| 21:16.20 | robin_sz | amd 64? |
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| 21:16.36 | medsouz | I'm on a 64 bit computer |
| 21:16.37 | blubberdiblub | its even |
| 21:16.43 | nkuttler | !tell medsouz about errors |
| 21:16.46 | en1gma | "w" |
| 21:16.50 | en1gma | whew |
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| 21:17.02 | medsouz | nkuttler, thats the exact error I get |
| 21:17.04 | unkmar | sorry, one handed typing is too slow and annoying. |
| 21:17.05 | medsouz | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 21:17.26 | robin_sz | I think the ext3 fs under the cryptfs is fine |
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| 21:17.41 | robin_sz | the mbr boots REALLY slow |
| 21:17.41 | medsouz | http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#RTL8191SE-VA2 |
| 21:17.41 | unkmar | what shall I ask the system to find the problem? |
| 21:17.50 | medsouz | Trying to make that driver |
| 21:17.51 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, and for querying the attributes, like number of read errors, non relocatable blocks, temperature, the error log, etc. |
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| 21:18.19 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, how can I check the mbr? |
| 21:18.25 | unforgiven512 | en1gma: ah |
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| 21:18.29 | unforgiven512 | rebooting, brb |
| 21:18.34 | robin_sz | and presumably whatever lives on sdb1 |
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| 21:19.04 | medsouz | God damn these fucking drivers |
| 21:19.08 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, i don't know what you mean by "checking" it. just try to read it with dd maybe? run badblocks over it? |
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| 21:19.48 | robin_sz | the / dir on the sdb5 which is lvm2 / crypto_LUKS has mounted fine and rsync'd off just perfectly |
| 21:19.49 | jhutchins_lt | There's got to be a guide to building kernel modules for debian somewhere. |
| 21:20.53 | unkmar | I may have other issues. I need to get the network functioning first.j |
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| 21:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Look for any mention of the card or of eth0 in dmesg |
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| 21:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: dmesg | less perhaps, or grep. |
| 21:22.03 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, the symptoms are: boot .. takes forever, lots of clicking ... eventually grub loads .. goes to boot kernel .. takes forever, never gets past first line of kernel load |
| 21:22.09 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=512 count=<some_number_like_63_or_255_or_2048_or_so>" will try to read the first blocks of your drive, including the mbr. if your drive has problems, there should be error messages in "dmesg" then |
| 21:23.05 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: You have a backup? |
| 21:23.22 | robin_sz | jhutchins_lt, 30gb down .. 15 to go |
| 21:23.32 | robin_sz | and important stuff all back'd up |
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| 21:23.40 | jhutchins_lt | crosses fingers for robin_sz |
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| 21:24.07 | robin_sz | its just standard Squeeze libs now, nothing important |
| 21:24.12 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: nothing about etho. I do see initilizing networ drop monitor service, and e1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver 1.0.2-k2 |
| 21:24.35 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.49 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, s/if your drive has problems/if your drive has problems within those first blocks/ |
| 21:24.56 | unkmar | I am running uname -r: 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP |
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| 21:25.49 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, no problesm there at all |
| 21:26.03 | robin_sz | first 100+mb is fine |
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| 21:26.45 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, hmm, strange. i'd run a test over the whole drive just to be sure (after your data transfer is complete) |
| 21:26.54 | robin_sz | 320gb? |
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| 21:27.27 | peterrooney | 320GB? that's like, see you next week |
| 21:27.33 | blubberdiblub | well, you don't have to. it's just what i would do |
| 21:27.46 | robin_sz | and anyway, like I said |
| 21:28.09 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: I also get kernel: ERROR! NICLoadFirmware failed, Status[=0x00000001] |
| 21:28.10 | robin_sz | sdb5 is opaque to the machine until its got lvm2 up ... as its crypto |
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| 21:28.23 | robin_sz | and that is 99% of the drive |
| 21:28.44 | robin_sz | how do I re-write the mbr? |
| 21:28.47 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: that comes directly after usb 3-1.5: firmware: request rt3070.bin |
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| 21:28.57 | robin_sz | chroot to the correct / |
| 21:29.04 | robin_sz | then issue some grub command? |
| 21:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Sonds like a realtek NIC, not Intel, and you apparently need firmware for it. |
| 21:29.39 | jhutchins_lt | !rt3070 |
| 21:29.39 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 21:29.42 | robin_sz | and what lives on sdb1????? |
| 21:29.53 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, you mean with exactly the same data that's already on there? you can dd with the same if= and of= and same skip= and seek= (or without them). or use a partition tool and write the unchanged partition layout |
| 21:30.45 | robin_sz | dont think thats what I meant |
| 21:30.55 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, oh, you mean reinstalling grub? grub-install or dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 21:31.32 | robin_sz | part table: sdb1 * 2048 499711 Linux ... |
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| 21:31.47 | robin_sz | is that the initram etc? |
| 21:32.34 | blubberdiblub | the initrd usually lives in a file. i don't know where yours is located. you could check your grub.cfg |
| 21:32.38 | robin_sz | qoh yeah, config, initrd, vmlinuz etc |
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| 21:32.43 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: yeah, well, umm. I'm not using the wireless. and yes, teh rt28xx Initilized faile! |
| 21:32.49 | robin_sz | grub .. blah |
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| 21:33.22 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: I also show an Intel PRO/1000 that does not fail but is no longer giving me an eth0 |
| 21:34.04 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: ifconfig -a: lists lo, pan0, wlan0. eth0 is now missing. :( |
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| 21:34.20 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, so chroot to / on sdb5, the full disk crypt thing .. then grub-install /dev/sdb ? |
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| 21:34.33 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Well, the e1000 requires firmware as well. |
| 21:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | !e1000 |
| 21:34.36 | dpkg | e1000 is the Intel PRO/1000 driver, included in mainline Linux kernels. This driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sf.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000%20stable/ . See also <e1000e>, <igb>. |
| 21:35.21 | jhutchins_lt | Our lug got caught when they stripped the e1000 binaries out of lenny. |
| 21:35.22 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, yes, if you've made sure /dev/sdb is visible to the chroot |
| 21:35.36 | robin_sz | ahh |
| 21:35.48 | robin_sz | that could be twicky |
| 21:35.57 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: however, if it was detecting before and now is not, and if it doesn't show up in dmesg, then it could very well be hardware failure. On-board or card? |
| 21:36.09 | robin_sz | and indeed, it is not :( |
| 21:36.19 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: and that file would be: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/enet/e1000e/e1000e.ko |
| 21:36.20 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, like mount --bind /dev /yourchrootmnt/dev and then chroot. maybe also bind mount /proc |
| 21:36.38 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: onboard |
| 21:37.02 | robin_sz | coo. new spells! |
| 21:37.25 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: That's the kernel module, I'm pretty sure you need firmware too (which should be in the factoid). |
| 21:37.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i set debconf priority and frontend from the command line? |
| 21:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 21:37.53 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 21:38.26 | jhutchins_lt | unkmar: Do you get a link light? |
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| 21:40.30 | Jasonn | hi, which is the right download for a server iso? |
| 21:40.59 | Jasonn | I downloaded the debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 21:41.22 | nkuttler | Jasonn: that's fine |
| 21:41.49 | nkuttler | !tell Jasonn about ig |
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| 21:42.01 | nkuttler | Jasonn: there are various installers you can use. i prefer the netinst one |
| 21:42.09 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, and how does grub know to put the initrd stuff stuff into sdb1 when I do grub-install /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:42.20 | unkmar | jhutchins_lt: yes, i get a link light. |
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| 21:42.41 | Jasonn | nkuttler: but all of them are for server, right? |
| 21:43.20 | nkuttler | Jasonn: debian has one stable distribution. universal |
| 21:43.27 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, it doesn't. at least not grub-install |
| 21:43.47 | robin_sz | ok |
| 21:43.55 | robin_sz | oh failed anyway |
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| 21:44.02 | tabakhase | hi there, im trying to "permanent install" a module, following the manual echo "install iptable_nat modprobe iptable_nat" > /etc/modprobe.d/myCustom should work, "but it dosnt" |
| 21:44.33 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, grub-install just copies the grub binaries into the mbr and the blocks after that |
| 21:44.35 | tabakhase | (and for sure, after boot a manual "modprobe iptable_nat" works just fine) |
| 21:44.39 | robin_sz | auto-detection of fs /dev/mapper/desktop-root1 failed |
| 21:44.48 | unforgiven512 | It appears that I'm having problems with KMS enabling (or, should I say, NOT enabling) |
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| 21:44.55 | robin_sz | shrugs |
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| 21:45.23 | Jasonn | nkuttler: but I can use this one for server, right? |
| 21:46.09 | nkuttler | Jasonn: of course |
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| 21:47.14 | Jasonn | nkuttler: heh, thanks :) |
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| 21:53.45 | MSTRCNVS | how can I see which video driver I am using? |
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| 21:57.29 | somiaj | MSTRCNVS: the xorg log tells you which one it loaded up. xvinfo, glxinfo if either xv or glx are working as well |
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| 21:58.01 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: I just wan't to be sure that If I can't use the nvidia driver I'm using the Intel |
| 21:58.08 | MSTRCNVS | somiaj: thank you, I'll give a try |
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| 22:00.42 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i set debconf priority and frontend from the command line? |
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| 22:01.00 | somiaj | evilbulgarian: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 22:01.20 | evilbulgarian | somiaj: dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=noninteractive --priority=critical debconf is what i tried with no success |
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| 22:02.54 | blubberdiblub | evilbulgarian, try dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=readline --priority=low debconf |
| 22:02.54 | somiaj | evilbulgarian: are you using a frontend by default that dpkg-reconfigure debconf won't just pop up its selection |
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| 22:04.27 | robin_sz | coo .. it booted |
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| 22:06.11 | evilbulgarian | somiaj: im trying to set it up in a script so that i can install a bunch of packages without gettting stuck in dialogs |
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| 22:07.38 | evilbulgarian | blubberdiblub: so how can and pass those to the config for debconf to use those values |
| 22:08.14 | evilbulgarian | i need to have and noninteractive apt-get -y install pkg work |
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| 22:08.30 | blubberdiblub | evilbulgarian, the options to dpkg-reconfigure are only for that particular dpkg-reconfigure-session, so it won't do what you want. you have to manipulate the debconf database in a different way |
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| 22:12.38 | miadbahrami | kasi persian balade |
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| 22:17.04 | evilbulgarian | blubberdiblub: do u know how i can do that? |
| 22:17.25 | evilbulgarian | blubberdiblub: or a better way to install pkg's without being prompted by debconf |
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| 22:18.48 | miadbahrami | persian admin! |
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| 22:20.04 | blubberdiblub | evilbulgarian, well, no, sorry, i know nothing about changing the debconf database. but you could probably peek into some /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst scripts how they do it |
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| 22:20.13 | peterrooney | evilbulgarian: /msg dpkg preseed; also running dpkg-reconfigure debconf should help |
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| 22:21.40 | blubberdiblub | ah, preseeding it is then. never ventured into those fields, yet |
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| 22:22.54 | mparodi | Hello guys |
| 22:23.49 | unkmar | hello, So, I still have my e100e issues. Not showing eth0 when I use to. |
| 22:24.06 | unkmar | *e10003 |
| 22:24.09 | unkmar | *e1000e |
| 22:24.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | what modules have you tried? |
| 22:24.48 | mparodi | I'm having problems trying to write some chars (áéÃóú) in any shell even though I can use them in many other applications like XChat. Instead these characters "´a" (for example) is shown. I have noticed the main problem is that when I hit the "´" key, it doesn't wait until I hit any other key, how can I fix it? |
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| 22:25.48 | mparodi | I need them to write in Spanish |
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| 22:26.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | mparodi: what locale is your shell set for? |
| 22:26.45 | mparodi | that's a good question |
| 22:27.16 | mparodi | how can I figure out? |
| 22:27.39 | tabakhase | thats a good question too ;-) |
| 22:27.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | mparodi: run 'locale' |
| 22:28.08 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, you want a keymap/keyboard layout _with_ so called dead keys. if you need it under X, how you configure it depends on what desktop environment you use |
| 22:28.41 | mparodi | Kamping_Kaiser, it shows me many locales for different things |
| 22:28.51 | mparodi | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_US:en |
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| 22:29.01 | mparodi | these are two of them |
| 22:29.47 | mparodi | blubberdiblub, I don't think the layout is the problem. as you can see I can write them in any application like this one áéÃóú |
| 22:30.11 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, oh, i see, sorry |
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| 22:31.14 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, with "shell", do you mean xterm or other graphical shells? or the virtual console text screen? |
| 22:31.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg locales |
| 22:31.21 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 22:31.58 | mparodi | konsole or yakuake, blubberdiblub |
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| 22:34.37 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, maybe it's got to do with konsole and yakuake being kde programs and xchat not. sorry, i'm probably no big help |
| 22:35.06 | mparodi | Kamping_Kaiser, if I run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and I set Spanish as default it'll change my system language. that's not what I want. I installed it and I keep english as the default language. the problem is still there |
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| 22:36.12 | mparodi | blubberdiblub, actually it makes sense. it seems it doesn't work in any KDE application actually! |
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| 22:36.43 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, then maybe have a look into the kde control center / systemsettings? |
| 22:37.40 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, it has got a lot of settings relating to keyboard layout, keyboard tweaks etc.. if that only applies to kde programs, it could be the culprit |
| 22:37.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | mparodi: i've not used konsole recently, so ii don't know how it supports special locales. the other thing i can think of is to set the locale(s) in your bashrc, but that might be less reliable |
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| 22:38.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | blubberdiblub: ++ to |
| 22:38.02 | Maarten | i'm remoted into a system running debian 6.03, trying to determine how many memory slots the mainboard has, and what type of memory is in each slot.... is there a cli utility that would allow me to get me that info? |
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| 22:38.44 | mparodi | I will ask in #kde just in case... thank you both! |
| 22:38.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Maarten: dmidecode |
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| 22:38.57 | ciclope10 | ciao ^^ |
| 22:38.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | needs sudo/root |
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| 22:39.20 | Maarten | I have sudo/root - thanks, will try that |
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| 22:41.07 | Maarten | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks - that worked perfectly, just what I needed. |
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| 22:41.51 | StuckMojo | hi. in a source package, where does it get the version from? dpkg-buildpackage: source version 8.3.16-0ubuntu0.8.04 |
| 22:42.08 | StuckMojo | a crap |
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| 22:42.26 | StuckMojo | i just let on that it's an ubuntu package. now no one will help me ;) |
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| 22:42.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Maarten: np |
| 22:42.56 | terr_ | I have two offtopic questions: Does anyone know what time it is in Italy? |
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| 22:43.05 | StuckMojo | terr_: do you know the time zone? |
| 22:43.09 | StuckMojo | the name of it? |
| 22:43.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | StuckMojo: #ubuntu-motu will |
| 22:43.13 | peterrooney | StuckMojo: yes, we can still help you. /join #ubuntu for great justice! |
| 22:43.20 | StuckMojo | lol |
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| 22:43.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 22:43.30 | StuckMojo | the question would be the same for a debian package |
| 22:43.31 | terr_ | StuckMojo: no. Bologna. Someone here might live near there |
| 22:43.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | terr_: timeanddate.com missing atm? |
| 22:43.59 | parazitu | Ola senhores! I am going to get an old PC with 32mb of RAM and probably a Pentium I proccesor. Do you have any ideas what could I do with it? |
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| 22:44.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnome clock not installed? 'date' missing? ;) |
| 22:44.16 | themill | terr_: "TZ=Europe/Rome date" |
| 22:44.25 | terr_ | Kamping_Kaiser: its not very important. I have a world map and can likely figure it out - I Think they are about 8 hours behind us |
| 22:44.41 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.48 | StuckMojo | select now() at time zone 'Europe/Rome'; |
| 22:44.53 | StuckMojo | postgres to the rescue |
| 22:44.57 | terr_ | Is there a simple debian command to convert? Maybe units does it. |
| 22:45.24 | themill | StuckMojo: debian/changelog |
| 22:45.28 | terr_ | StuckMojo: I've got postgres installed but its been years since I used it! |
| 22:45.32 | StuckMojo | themill: really? wow |
| 22:45.35 | blubberdiblub | terr_, themill just gave you the command |
| 22:45.41 | StuckMojo | i thought the changelog was just informational for users |
| 22:45.52 | StuckMojo | that explains why that's the only place i could find the version mentioned |
| 22:45.59 | StuckMojo | themill: thanks brudda |
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| 22:46.27 | terr_ | themill is that a bash command? |
| 22:46.49 | StuckMojo | is there a good wiki or howto on building debs? like if i wanted to create one for my own software? or package some source that wasn't available in a deb? |
| 22:47.04 | themill | dpkg: tell StuckMojo about nmg |
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| 22:47.27 | blubberdiblub | terr_, it works in bash as well as in dash and probably a handful other shells |
| 22:47.31 | StuckMojo | themill: thanks, i've always wanted to read that. from what i understand it can be quite easy, with some of the helper tools |
| 22:48.03 | StuckMojo | terr_: if you have access to postgres and the time on your system is correct, "select now() at time zone 'Europe/Rome';" will tell you as well |
| 22:48.03 | terr_ | parazitu they miake good firewalls. ALso still good for a decent webserver/file server. I still use one. Also it will run CNC equipment just fine. |
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| 22:49.06 | StuckMojo | themill: oh this is perfect, thanks |
| 22:49.13 | terr_ | Thu Oct 27 22:11:14 CEST 2011 |
| 22:49.25 | terr_ | it works! I didn't know there was a TZ program! |
| 22:49.47 | StuckMojo | terr_: there isn't |
| 22:49.55 | terr_ | they are they are 5 hou8rs behind me. |
| 22:50.00 | StuckMojo | you're setting the TZ environment variable to a different timezone, then running "date" |
| 22:50.12 | themill | and your clock is wrong |
| 22:50.17 | StuckMojo | lol |
| 22:50.32 | blubberdiblub | quite a bit wrong |
| 22:50.36 | terr_ | StuckMojo: makes sense now! |
| 22:50.47 | terr_ | LOL |
| 22:51.15 | terr_ | StuckMojo: I see it wasn't set permenantly. |
| 22:51.25 | terr_ | I'd have to source it! |
| 22:51.31 | StuckMojo | yeah that's what setting it inline like that does |
| 22:51.39 | StuckMojo | it sets it just for the command you're running |
| 22:51.39 | terr_ | themill: yes I see that. |
| 22:51.41 | StuckMojo | very handy |
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| 22:52.05 | StuckMojo | one i often use: COLUMNS=200 dpgk -l | grep something |
| 22:52.20 | terr_ | I'm rebuilding this machine and will have ntp running again. It must have died sometime. |
| 22:52.47 | themill | StuckMojo: actually, you don't need to do that |
| 22:52.53 | blubberdiblub | StuckMojo, you can leave out the COLUMNS=200 bit in that line. if you pipe the dpkg -l output to some command, it won't use the terminal width |
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| 22:54.11 | mparodi | Hola |
| 22:54.17 | StuckMojo | ok well sometimes i want to see the full info rather than the truncated, so i've used that in the past (perhaps not with piping to something) |
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| 22:54.32 | acu_ | guys- I need linux headers and it pulls gcc 4.3 though I have already install gcc4.4 is this normal ? |
| 22:54.32 | StuckMojo | i've taken to using dlocate instead these days anyway |
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| 22:55.02 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, have you found a solution? |
| 22:55.04 | StuckMojo | the only drawback with that is forgetting to update it since it only gets refresed by cron.daily |
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| 22:55.29 | mparodi | blubberdiblub, actually no. I didn't know you speak Spanish as well :P |
| 22:55.48 | blubberdiblub | mparodi, actually i don't ;) |
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| 22:55.58 | mparodi | what're you doing here then? |
| 22:56.15 | blubberdiblub | it's #debian here |
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| 22:56.33 | SuperNil | i almost just pooped. software raid failed and aparently another thing went bad.. lost+found to save the day.. holy god it saved the day. |
| 22:56.35 | streuner | and we prefer english |
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| 22:57.19 | mparodi | argh, damn, wrong channel, this "hola" was supposed to #debian-es hehe |
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| 22:58.52 | terr_ | Here is my 2nd off topic quesiton then I have to run. If anyone lives in NYC and is say in uni and has a friend in law then we need a small job which we will pay for. Its just delaying a case because the plaintiff is out of the counry. A student lawyer can likely handle this pretty easily. |
| 22:59.18 | terr_ | BTW I do appreciate a referal... that is all. we need at the moment |
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| 22:59.32 | themill | terr_: perhaps you wanted #defocus |
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| 22:59.50 | StuckMojo | terr_: don't you just ask for a continuance? |
| 22:59.51 | terr_ | themill I didn't know about it. I just run Debian. |
| 23:00.21 | StuckMojo | terr_: you just have to show proof the person is really unavailable |
| 23:00.21 | terr_ | StuckMojo: I think that is all that is required yes. I'm somewhat familiar with Canadian law but I've never been to NYC |
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| 23:01.05 | StuckMojo | terr_: assuming you've not already asked for a bunch, the judge and prosecutor should just give it to you without incident |
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| 23:01.12 | themill | so.... back to debian user support.... |
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| 23:01.14 | terr_ | StuckMojo: that is really easy. My eamil is terr@terralogic.net. Sned me a note please. I don't wnat to anoy the channel. |
| 23:01.22 | StuckMojo | terr_: lets take it to /msg |
| 23:01.31 | terr_ | join #/msg |
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| 23:02.27 | StuckMojo | terr_: no the command is /msg, but you should see some (private messages) from me now |
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| 23:08.15 | StuckMojo | themill: woot! it worked. thanks much |
| 23:08.32 | StuckMojo | i had no idea the changelog actually drove (some of) the deb build like that |
| 23:08.55 | StuckMojo | i thought it was just informational free-form-ish text included in the package |
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| 23:08.59 | peterrooney | SuperNil: do tell |
| 23:09.01 | StuckMojo | neat |
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| 23:09.17 | StuckMojo | figures debian would be smart like that |
| 23:09.34 | StuckMojo | themill: anyway, thanks again! |
| 23:09.45 | StuckMojo | wanders back to #postgresql |
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| 23:12.05 | joobie | guys anyone able to help with a find commadn to find files no more than 2 days old and sort the file list by byte order (smallest to biggest) ? |
| 23:13.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | #bash or google would probably both be quick ways |
| 23:13.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | i can't imagine you're the first person to search that problem |
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| 23:13.54 | themill | dpkg: tell joobie about using find |
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| 23:14.03 | peterrooney | man find would be even faster (#bash tends to insist on the "correct" way, not the "I'd like to know now for my particular system" way |
| 23:14.13 | peterrooney | ) |
| 23:14.39 | themill | they'd also spend an hour arguing about which version of find you had |
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| 23:17.38 | gimpy130 | With Squeeze XFCE I've finally been able to get my Intel 6250 to connect to wireless but it disconnects and re-connects every few seconds and i can't figure out why. Signal strength seems ok, my Android never disconnects, and I never had this problem with Ubuntu 10.04. |
| 23:17.59 | joobie | themill, you should change the bot to not pm people |
| 23:18.07 | joobie | it opens a new window on my client |
| 23:18.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | gimpy130: got the firmware? |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | gimpy130: uname -r ? |
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| 23:18.49 | themill | joobie: oh noes... a window! how will we cope. |
| 23:18.53 | gimpy130 | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 23:19.08 | gimpy130 | Kamping_Kaiser: I think so. |
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| 23:19.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | joobie: fix your client |
| 23:19.20 | abrotman | gimpy130: eh .. you may have better luck with the kernel+firmware from backports.org |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | erm .. backports.debian.org |
| 23:19.44 | joobie | Kamping_Kaiser, what's wrong with my client? |
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| 23:20.18 | abrotman | joobie: that's how the bot works .. keeps the noise in the main channel to a minimum |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | joobie: how your client reacts to a privmsg is a configuration issue on your side |
| 23:20.58 | themill | if you don't like it, use a different client |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | or not irc |
| 23:21.52 | joobie | that's like saying if you dont like spam, dont use an email client |
| 23:21.56 | joobie | the spammer is the one at fault |
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| 23:22.08 | Derpadong | Oh noes |
| 23:22.08 | joobie | dont send unsolicited PM's |
| 23:22.20 | zykotick9 | joobie, i'm guessing you're using empathy/pidgin as an IRC client currently? |
| 23:22.28 | themill | joobie: it's not at all. Can we please move on now? |
| 23:22.37 | joobie | zykotick9, negative |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | pretty sure we already covered this ... |
| 23:23.31 | gimpy130 | abrotman: When I installed Debian it said I needed iqlwifi-6050-1.ucode, |
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| 23:24.03 | gimpy130 | Sorry, iwlwifi-6050-1.ucode through -4.ucode |
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| 23:27.47 | chipotle | how do i see which packages need to be updated and do a safe instead via apt or aptitude? |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | aptitude update;aptitude search "~U" |
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| 23:33.10 | unforgiven512 | I'm still having a lot of trouble getting the radeon driver to work (NOT fglrx) |
| 23:33.16 | unforgiven512 | Wheezy, amd64 |
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| 23:33.27 | unforgiven512 | Now, it's defaulting to mesa |
| 23:33.30 | unforgiven512 | err |
| 23:33.33 | unforgiven512 | vesa |
| 23:33.39 | jkyle | is it possible to list all packages installed in a time/date range? |
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| 23:34.59 | abrotman | sure ... ls -ltr /usr/share/doc/ .. ish |
| 23:35.03 | peterrooney | abrotman: you know, that isn't mentioned in either man aptitude OR the aptitude reference guide. |
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| 23:35.25 | themill | peterrooney: which bit? |
| 23:35.34 | abrotman | peterrooney: yes, it is |
| 23:35.38 | peterrooney | ~N as a searchable pattern |
| 23:35.46 | abrotman | i said ~U ? |
| 23:36.00 | peterrooney | abrotman: either way. |
| 23:36.02 | themill | peterrooney: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchUpgradable |
| 23:36.23 | abrotman | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide .. see the ~U toward the bottom |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | peterrooney: and this is in aptitude-manual-en |
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| 23:37.23 | peterrooney | I'm reading (i) man aptitude, which says "For a complete list of the possible state and action flags, see the section âAccessing Package Informationâ in the aptitude reference guide." - if that's not the package aptitude-doc-en , then why not? |
| 23:37.42 | peterrooney | (ii) I've also got file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s02s02.html open |
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| 23:37.46 | abrotman | it is aptitude-doc-en |
| 23:37.49 | unforgiven512 | I have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed. But, I do "lsmod | grep radeon" and it returns nothing. |
| 23:37.58 | unforgiven512 | So, the module is not loading for some reason. |
| 23:38.06 | abrotman | peterrooney: see the chapter i linked .. 2/3/5 |
| 23:38.20 | peterrooney | ,versions aptitude-manual-en |
| 23:38.21 | judd | No package named 'aptitude-manual-en' was found in i386. |
| 23:38.25 | themill | peterrooney: file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html#searchUpgradable |
| 23:38.35 | abrotman | judd: versions aptitude-doc-en |
| 23:38.36 | judd | Package: aptitude-doc-en on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny2; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; sid: 0.6.3-4; wheezy: 0.6.3-4; sid: 0.6.4-1; sid: 0.6.4-1.1 |
| 23:39.15 | peterrooney | thanks! |
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| 23:39.29 | peterrooney | that's totally unclear in the man page. |
| 23:39.31 | abrotman | themill: i like mine better ... a nice concise table of searchable terms! |
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| 23:40.57 | themill | peterrooney: «For more information on search patterns, see the section âSearch Patternsâ in the aptitude reference manual.» seemed pretty clear to me. |
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| 23:45.55 | peterrooney | themill: true. perhaps I need to read all 80 pages of the documentation in one sitting? |
| 23:46.21 | abrotman | or at least the short search reference! |
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| 23:46.57 | themill | peterrooney: no, you just read the bit about "package states" in the search output not the search term reference. |
| 23:47.58 | abrotman | but the search reference is so useful |
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| 23:49.34 | peterrooney | abrotman: ...and the short dependencies section. and the short management section. and the short UI section. and the short Environment section. I mean, yes, it's nice and all to have everything documented, and I have no desire to disparage burrow's work, but it doesn't scan like a didactic masterpiece. |
| 23:50.44 | themill | I've never heard anyone turn down documentation contributions, so if you've got the time and motivation, please contribute |
| 23:50.47 | peterrooney | like i said, I might have to sit down and read all of it in one go so I can see such 'gotchas' that result from incomplete understanding. |
| 23:51.01 | peterrooney | me? when I don't even understand it? |
| 23:51.39 | peterrooney | maybe next year after I do |
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| 23:54.11 | DaffyDuck_ | I installed debian from a netinst, sources.list say "squeeze", I change "squeeze" to "testing", and dist-upgrade, etc. Now my console says "wheezy/sid". Is this expected? |
| 23:54.20 | DaffyDuck_ | I thought "sid" was unstable? |
| 23:54.32 | themill | !why wheezy/sid |
| 23:54.32 | dpkg | Why "wheezy/sid" instead of just "wheezy" or "sid"? See /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version") for the answer. |
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| 23:56.35 | DaffyDuck_ | themill: Thank you. |
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| 23:57.11 | terr_ | peterrooney: IMHO we should be puttting the docs in the form of a lecture |
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