IRC log for #debian on 20111028

00:00.11abrotmanpeterrooney: well .. i kinda get what you mean .. it's a lot .. i guess maybe the short sections could be rolled into the man page ..
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00:04.25terr_peterrooney: I don't like digging through disorganised web pages.  I've contributed Debian documentation on misconfigurations which basically made it impossible to get sound running (but it was a few years back) and 3 years later it was still borken.  people were still in chanel asking for help and the docs were still worn
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00:04.46judgenHowdy mates
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00:11.21MrHatterI am using external usb drives as backups with autofs, a problem with this is the automatic fsck after 37 mounts, is there a filesystem that is able to do this check whilst the filesystem is live ? or another idea to solve this ?
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00:17.16MrHatterwhen an auto fsck happens, syslog shows :mount(ext2): /dev/sdc1: filesystem needs repair, won't mount , how can i see the progress of this fsck ?
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00:23.03peterrooneyMrHatter: it isn't progressing until you issue the command; and tune2fs is your friend
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00:25.27silvertip257MrHatter: I haven't tried this, but it might help you.  killall -USR1 e2fsck , then to stop the progress send USR2 instead.  I'll provide my source if you'd like.
00:26.04helenHello i've beening trying to untar a .tbz2 file with the tar command but had no success.
00:26.13helenI've used different parameters.
00:26.18helenbut still no success.
00:26.30helenI even googled it but still no success.
00:26.44helenAnd the man pages just completely confuzzle me.
00:26.45silvertip257helen: what have you tried?
00:27.00boudiccas!enter
00:27.00dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
00:27.59helensilvertip257: -jxvf -xvjf -xvf -zxvf are the parameters that i've tried.
00:28.24boudiccasparameters for what? what command did you use?
00:28.35helenboudiccas: I just said.
00:28.40silvertip257boudiccas: read - it's a few lines above
00:28.50silvertip257helen: any error messages?
00:29.00helensilvertip257: Yes
00:29.07helen1min i'll need to pastebin.
00:29.12silvertip257ok
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00:30.28helensilvertip257: http://pastebin.com/uUdhhQbe
00:30.33helenThere you go sweetie
00:30.38silvertip257helen: tar -jxvf somefile.tbz2 should have done it for a bz2 tarball.  Might try running `file` on the tarball - as in `file somefile.tbz2`
00:30.53helensilvertip257: I tried that i think.
00:30.56helenlemme check.
00:31.08helenYep i tried it.
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00:31.13helenOh and btw...
00:31.20helenI only use installed this server.
00:32.25silvertip257helen: it appears to me that you're not in the same directory as the file or have a typo in the file name - check your pwd and use tab completion.
00:32.50helenircd@joey:~$ ls
00:32.50helencharybdis-3.2.1.tbz2
00:32.51helenircd@joey:~$
00:32.56helenSame directory. :)
00:33.16helenWhy do i need to check y password?
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00:34.03silvertip257helen: pwd = your present working directory
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00:34.43abrotmanhelen: did oyu try the 'file' command to see what the file is ?
00:34.46helensilvertip257: No errors in the file name.
00:35.02silvertip257that was suggested (file)
00:35.20helensilvertip257: No need...
00:35.25helenI know what the file is.
00:35.54silvertip257ok, if you think so ... but the problem is it can't STAT the file ... as in it's not where you're saying it is
00:36.13silvertip257Cannot exec: No such file or directory
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00:36.39helenThe file is on my home directory.
00:36.52abrotmanhelen: run "file charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2
00:36.55abrotmanhelen: run "file charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2"
00:37.03helenabrotman: Pls don't spam me.
00:37.09abrotmanhelen: i'm not spamming you
00:37.11boudiccasprat
00:37.29helenabrotman: Ok pls don't repeatt yourself.
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00:37.39silvertip257<_<
00:37.40helen1min...
00:37.46heleninstalling file and locate
00:37.46abrotmani didn't repeat .. if you read it, you'll notice i added a character to correct my line
00:39.29helenNevermind...
00:39.32helenerm...
00:39.36helenchange of plan.
00:39.43helenI'll be doing this tomorrow instead.
00:39.54helenbut i'll be getting a friend to set what i want up.
00:39.58helengood bye
00:40.04helenand thanks for the help
00:40.58dvss/the help/all the fish/
00:41.20silvertip257:D
00:41.32abrotmanright .. but i get accused of spamming ..
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00:41.48silvertip257it's ok abrotman, I suggested "file" a few minutes before
00:41.49silvertip257:)
00:42.08helenSorry my erm... friend
00:42.22helenHe wanted me to set this up for him because hes new to linux.
00:42.42helenAnyway he had to go so i'll get a friend whos more of an expert at me to do it.
00:42.51helenSorry for stopping the support.
00:42.52MrHatterpeterrooney, yes it does. it automatically does the fsck after the mount time or the days elapsed.
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00:43.19silvertip257helen: you didn't stop anything - that's fine - we'd prefer for people to succeed :P
00:43.46MrHattersilvertip257, what will this do ? stop the fsck ?
00:43.57helensilvertip257: I appriciate that very much.
00:44.04helenDAMN how do i spell that a word?
00:44.27silvertip257MrHatter: let le toss you the link > http://serverfault.com/questions/118791/how-do-you-get-e2fsck-to-show-progress-information
00:44.33silvertip257s/le/me
00:44.42MrHattersilveryip257, great thx
00:45.00silvertip257MrHatter: let me know if that works, I don't have a fsck running to test that on
00:45.40MrHattersilvertip257, nice i will try it right now
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00:46.36terr_helen: what does the tar -j param mean.
00:46.49helenterr_: Idk
00:46.54silvertip257terr_: -j is the flag for bzip2
00:46.58helenthey're just parameters i found on Google.
00:47.11silvertip257helen: type "man tar"
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00:47.38helensilvertip257: If you read my first line you'll see that i said the man page confuses me.
00:47.39MrHattersilvertip257, no 'killall -USR1 fsck.ext3' didnt do anything
00:47.51silvertip257MrHatter: darn :(
00:47.53terr_silvertip257: I have all my tars in scripts.  I have to look this up but I don't recall unzipping a "tbz2"
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00:48.16terr_helen I might have misread or it might be a typo.
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00:48.23MrHattersilvertip 257, yeah, nice idea, i will investigate further
00:48.25silvertip257helen: while that's understandable, manpages are a huge wealth of information
00:48.39terr_silvertip257: they are also very frustrating
00:48.41abrotmanterr_: it would essentially be the same as a tgz .. but i asked helen to run the file command for a reason .. extensions mean nothing
00:48.53helensilvertip257: Agreed
00:48.56helenI like manpages
00:49.01terr_abrotman: ya I know.  Magic words
00:49.07helenJust bloated with info about that program. :)
00:49.29helenbut sometimes it's hard to get what parameters mean what from the description of that parameter.
00:49.31silvertip257I'm setting up a preseed file for my netinstalls - the preseed is fully automated ... and in a VM it installs 81 packages (as expected), but on real hardware tries to install 814 packages (a normal GNOME desktop).  Any ideas as to what I should change or why this tries to install packages not called for in the preseed?
00:49.33helen:)
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00:49.49terr_helen: also likely written before you were born
00:49.52abrotmansilvertip257: it's installing the task for Desktop
00:50.05helenterr_: 1993
00:50.16abrotmananyway ...
00:50.21silvertip257abrotman: I'll check, but that task should be commented out
00:50.22heleni were born
00:50.31terr_helen: well I didn't ask for your age but you are younger than my son nad daughter
00:50.42helencool :)
00:51.03terr_what we should be able to do is find that file and run some tests.
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00:51.17abrotmanjust run the 'file' command
00:51.18civillianhelen: you are the same age as Debian :)
00:51.22terr_I fully understand why Helen is frustrated.
00:51.24helencivillian: :O
00:51.27helenAWASOME
00:51.31helenI feel special now. :)
00:51.44silvertip257it's spelled "appreciate" and "awesome" :D
00:51.46terr_OMG  Now Helen you see you do have friends
00:51.51abrotman!ot
00:51.52dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
00:51.56helensilvertip257: Thanks :)
00:52.08helenANd yes i know how to spell awesome but i type too fast. lol
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00:52.35terr_helen Tar does not like you to type fast.
00:52.54helenterr_: I type slow when i'm on the command line.
00:53.04helenJust fast on IRC and when writing letters.
00:53.08abrotmanhelen: run "file charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2"
00:53.09helen*typing
00:53.19terr_helen well you have a problem and we're here to help
00:53.21abrotmanthat way we can see what the filetype actually is
00:53.42helenterr_: :)
00:53.52helenNot on typos though.
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00:54.10terr_helen: I think abrotman is asking yo to do this because that util will check the magic numbers at the front of the file.
00:56.05helenroot@joey:/home/ircd# find charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2
00:56.05helencharybdis-3.2.1.tbz2
00:56.05helenroot@joey:/home/ircd#
00:56.11terr_helen you see when we wrote this stuff wew had real slow and expensive computers and got paid a lot of money.
00:56.24helenterr_: Yes i know
00:56.30terr_helen  hang on.
00:56.30helenThey were the best in those days though
00:56.38abrotmanFILE .. not find
00:56.54helenThey were more likely to survive power spikes.
00:57.08terr_helen IMHO actrually not.  IBM was better and I had the top NYC trade on Prime and made money.  LOL
00:57.18helenterr_: Nice
00:57.26abrotmankeep it on-topic
00:57.30helenWhy am i using this nick?
00:57.38silvertip257helen: type only what is in quotes here> "file charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2"
00:57.46helenoh my nick is taken
00:57.47boudiccasbecause your a prat
00:57.48terr_helen you have to type file in lowe case but I'm sure youi know that.  Try using ls to see if it can read the file.
00:57.58terr_pardon find the filie.
00:58.00silvertip257!ot helen
00:58.13terr_There may be some stupid unprintable chars in the file name.
00:58.15helenboudiccas: What ever that means.
00:58.29abrotmanboudiccas: you're ... but who's counting ...
00:59.02helensilvertip257: I did that already.
00:59.09terr_helen those unprintable chars have been giving us trouble since we invented them.
00:59.21silvertip257helen: pastebin all of that - including the line where you typed the command
01:00.08helenPastebin - Great tool since 2002
01:00.11terr_silvertip257: helen might haqve to know how to pastebin.
01:00.31abrotmanit's a single command that she already messed up .. and it only outputs one line
01:00.33silvertip257terr_: nope, he/she pastebinned stuff earlier
01:00.41terr_well if she knows she's ahead of me.  I always have to ask
01:01.00silvertip257abrotman: yes, I know ... but too much more of this and I think I'm going to leave :P
01:01.27helensilvertip257: http://pastebin.com/A1q37T7N
01:01.37abrotmanFILE .. not find
01:01.58terr_silvertip257: I had two toilets go do that 2 weeks ago and it cost me $347 bux!  And I had two very unhappy women in this house and one is younger than Helen
01:02.04silvertip257helen - exactly - the file was not found as abrotman said
01:02.13helensilvertip257: Aaah
01:02.18helenHow come?
01:02.18abrotmanno .. file is the command . not find
01:02.23helenWhen i do ls it's there
01:02.28abrotmanterr_: keep it on topic
01:02.36abrotmanhelen: the command is "file" .. not "find"
01:02.47terr_abrotman: will do I I had to lagh at the :P
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01:02.56silvertip257says give me a shell on your box and it'll get done
01:03.04helenOoooh
01:03.06helenlol
01:03.07helenmy bad
01:03.08helen1min
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01:03.16abrotmanonly said that .. three? times
01:03.28terr_helen silvertip257 is making a very good suggestion.  I have professional admins on my boxen and I pay them.
01:03.31helenabrotman: Sorry i was struggling to get what you meant.
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01:03.42nevynsilvertip257: don't do that...
01:03.44nevyn!shells
01:03.46boudiccasdoh!
01:03.50abrotman!remote access
01:03.52silvertip257was being sarcastic ... and yeah I'm not doing it
01:03.54abrotmanbah ..
01:03.57abrotman!shell access
01:03.58dpkgDON'T be a moron.  Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health.  Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something.  Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork?  If not, you probably do not want to give them access.
01:04.00abrotmanyay!
01:04.16silvertip257thanks abrotman :)
01:04.19abrotmanhugs Guerin
01:04.26helencharybdis-3.2.1.tbz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k
01:04.34helenDoes this mean anything to you? ^^
01:04.39silvertip257helen: what's the path to the file?
01:04.45helen:O
01:04.45abrotmanhelen: so if you 'tar -jxf charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2" .. what does it do ?
01:04.46helenerm...
01:04.59helen/home/ircd/filename.ext
01:05.18silvertip257helen: is that your home dir?
01:05.38silvertip257or better yet is that your pwd?
01:05.41helensilvertip257: Not mine but the IRCd's home dir
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01:06.06abrotmanit doesn't matter what the dir is .. the command should be 'tar -jxf charybidis-3.2.1.tgz2'
01:06.09silvertip257helen: like I said, you had the wrong path to the file
01:06.58helensilvertip257: :O
01:06.59helenoh
01:07.04helenerm...
01:07.31helenidk idk
01:07.36heleni realy dk
01:07.56helen*really
01:08.01boudiccaswhich means nothing
01:08.21helentar (child): bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
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01:08.31helenI tried many paths
01:08.33helenlike...
01:08.40nevyndo you have bzip2 installed?
01:08.45silvertip257what directory are you in when you ran file on it?
01:08.49terr_I got bounced.
01:08.51nevynoh.
01:08.53helennevyn: I thought that was installed by default.
01:08.56helen1min...
01:08.59nevynhrm
01:09.08terr_helen it is.  type: pwd
01:09.14nevynactually libbzip2 should be a dependancy of tar forget I spoke.
01:09.22abrotmanterr_: how does that help ?
01:09.33helenroot@joey:/home/ircd# pwd
01:09.34helen/home/ircd
01:09.34helenroot@joey:/home/ircd#
01:09.35abrotmannevyn: it's a recommends IIRC ?
01:09.46terr_abrotman: because I'm not sure she is actually finding the path to the file... but I may be confused
01:09.54nevynabrotman: it should be stronger than that given tar -j
01:10.17nevynterr_: I think you're on the right track.
01:10.19abrotmannevyn: suggests ... not depends
01:10.43nevynabrotman: :(
01:10.44abrotmanterr_: she's shown more than once the file is in that dir
01:11.13silvertip257abrotman: say she has two terminals open ... how about that?
01:11.18terr_abrotman: but i came in last and there is a lot of conversation to go back through so I simply want to ask.
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01:11.35helensilvertip257: My second terminal is Irssi though.
01:11.59abrotmansilvertip257: okay .. so let's find / -name charybdis-3.2.1.tbz2 -exec tar -jxf {} \; ?
01:12.02silvertip257helen: find the full path to that file, then tar -jxvf will work
01:12.03helenSo i can't be getting confused.
01:12.14silvertip257good idea abrotman
01:12.14helensilvertip257: 1min...
01:12.18heleninstalling locate
01:12.22terr_silvertip257: good point.  Helen each terminal (shell) lives in its own world.  We desiogned it this way I often have a dozen open
01:12.42buhmanwhat's that new thing that's going to replace xorg?
01:12.49abrotmanXorg
01:12.52terr_abrotman: its a good suggestion but find is hard to run and pwd is not
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01:13.13silvertip257copy + paste ... he did all the "hard work" already
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01:13.30terr_helen aqre you still here?
01:13.42helenterr_: I hope so.
01:13.51helenls
01:13.54helenwoops
01:14.02helenthe file is there
01:14.03helenlol
01:14.06helenit's there
01:14.09helendefinately
01:14.22terr_helen if you like /msg me with your phone number and I'll phone you at my expense and try to talk you through this whiule you and I both stay in channel
01:14.33abrotmanterr_: do not do that
01:14.38abrotmankeep it in the channel
01:14.39helenterr_: NO
01:14.55helenterr_: I don't call strangers. :)
01:15.02terr_helen I offered.  I have published phone numbers.
01:15.03helenI know the safety of the internet.
01:15.06abrotmanhelen: the command should be 'tar -jxf charybidis-3.2.1.tgz2'
01:15.12abrotmanterr_: stop
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01:15.42helenI don't understand how this possibly could be.
01:15.44helentar (child): charybidis-3.2.1.tgz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
01:15.44abrotmanterr_: keep support in this channel .. if you're not capable of helping here, then just keep quiet and let others help
01:15.48helenIt's there
01:15.57terr_abrotman: yes and if so she can type ls char* and it is going to give her th egoop on the file
01:15.59nevynabrotman++
01:16.05helenIs my distro installation broken do you think?
01:16.06abrotmanhelen: is it .tgz2 or .tbz2 ?
01:16.17abrotmanhelen: which version of linux is this ?
01:16.20helenabrotman: tgz2
01:16.31helentbz2]
01:16.34helenDAMN ME
01:16.41terr_helen I don't think so.
01:16.43helenSame error
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01:17.04abrotmanhelen: what is the command you typed, and the output ?
01:17.07nevyn!abrotman++
01:17.18helenFINALLY
01:17.19abrotmanhas karma!
01:17.23helenDAMN DAMND MNAD
01:17.26helenfixed
01:17.28helenthanks you
01:17.29terr_helen what happened?
01:17.34abrotmannot fixed .. just typed the right command ..
01:17.35helenterr_: nvm
01:17.41helenabrotman: yes
01:17.43helenthat also
01:18.03terr_well if it worked good.
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01:18.16pseubodotlooks in
01:18.34helenOh no
01:18.42abrotmanthrows a horsy at pseubodot
01:18.43helenI hate this part
01:18.54pseubodotreads backscroll, and sends a horsey back at abrotman
01:19.06abrotmanmeets pseubodot in a saner place
01:19.25helenoh no
01:20.01silvertip257abrotman: In regards to my preseeding, I have the line for desktop selection commented out.
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01:20.19abrotmansilvertip257: do you actually need to set it to 'n' or something ?
01:20.30terr_helen you see we need to be able to see what you are doing.  We do not need to log into your server.  We need to see what you type. and what you get.  But I will admnit this is a huge securtity risk and I so work with the OpenSSL team and have for a very long time.  I fact Tim Hudson's ex wife is a good friend of mine and she lives in Brizzy.
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01:20.58abrotmanterr_: STOP
01:21.08terr_abrotman: stopped
01:21.15abrotmanthank you
01:21.37silvertip257abrotman: I've not seen that done in all the examples I've found.  I started with the example from the wiki and built off of it.
01:21.53abrotmansilvertip257: can you just make it skip tasksel completely ?
01:22.04silvertip257I'll see what I can do
01:22.36pseubodotI've done preseeding before
01:22.47pseubodot(a couple of versions ago, granted)
01:23.05pseubodottasksel can be bypassed
01:23.17helenDAMN
01:23.34boudiccashelen; so you keep saying
01:23.37terr_helen well I think you get the idea why you were stupped.
01:23.55terr_helen: I think we can do better.
01:24.20helenYay!
01:24.21helenNO
01:24.24helensorry
01:24.30helencompiling errors
01:24.30terr_?
01:24.32helenlol
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01:25.02helensighs
01:25.04abrotmanhelen: talk to the support channel for charybidis for that .. not us
01:25.10terr_helen did you do: make then make init
01:25.20helenabrotman: No no no i'm succeeding as i go along. :)
01:25.28helenThe errors are easy to fix myself. :)
01:25.41terr_helen you need the "goat book"
01:26.04terr_helen I think you are heading into autoconf.
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01:27.02helenterr_: I'm TVing me.
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01:28.24helenYES
01:28.32pseubodotyay!
01:28.41helen:)
01:28.44pseubodot("and there was great rejoycing!")
01:28.59silvertip257pseubodot: do you recall how you skipped tasksel?
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01:29.33terr_helen: I don't know what that is.  I'm building (as an investor) the biggest chrome mine in the world and I do happen to run servers and I just wish I could do more.  But IU had some problems and got some great out of channel help and then saw your dilemma and your frustration and thought... hey I don't mind helping you.  What goes around comes around.
01:29.48abrotmanterr_: do you have anything Debian related to say?
01:30.04helenhey
01:30.11helenThis is her frend Joe
01:30.39abrotmanthis channel is for support, not socializing
01:30.43pseubodotsilvertip257: I believe I did ran a dump of what the installer did (I forget but can look up the command) and then did debconf-get-selections to get the rest
01:30.44helenSorry
01:30.46boudiccaswhat a load of OT crap!
01:30.50helenthat was my friend messing about.
01:31.15pseubodotsilvertip257: that was 3 gigs and about 5 years ago, sorry if I'm not completely with it atm
01:31.32silvertip257I've done both of those already (installer + get-selections)
01:31.35silvertip257pseubodot: ^
01:31.42silvertip257that's fine
01:32.04pseubodotsilvertip257: so you get dumped into tasksel no matter what?
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01:32.30terr_abrotman: you bet.  But not tonight.  I'm pouring ubuntu into a machine tomorrow... already 1/2 way done and grub is stuck up but I'm going to do it and later I'll see.  Debian has been pretty D good for the last decade.
01:32.30silvertip257pseubodot: it preseeds fine on a VM of mine, but on real hardware it proceeds to install the gnome desktop
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01:32.41pseubodotsilvertip257: interesting
01:32.46pseubodotsilvertip257: weird, but interesting.
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01:32.56silvertip257yeah - it's a bit of a pain, pseubodot
01:33.02abrotmanterr_: please keep it on topic ..
01:33.13terr_But now more Debian issues th~is evening.  It has been great and Helen is happy so we managed to do a damn fine job.
01:33.32pseubodotsilvertip257: I did a whole beowulf cluster that way, I didn't get too many issues
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01:34.02abrotmansilvertip257: the difference is the VM doesn't have network accesss, right ?
01:34.12silvertip257both have network access
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01:34.24silvertip257both are pxe booting
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01:34.39pseubodotsilvertip257: but does the VM have outside network access?
01:34.52silvertip257yes, bridged to my LAN
01:35.06abrotmanbut is the network actually working ?
01:35.35silvertip257yes, it downloads packages from a nearby mirror ... (both vm and real hw do)
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01:36.03terr_silvertip257: (not off topic).  The cluster?  My friend Carmine has a 320 CPU system in place and it runs ugg.  We should be able to do better because we have better.  But I'
01:36.05pseubodotanything interesting in the installer logs?
01:36.09helengnite
01:36.25pseubodotwaves
01:36.32terr_ve digressed too lod so I should say as Helen says gnite
01:36.54pseubodot<PROTECTED>
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01:37.06silvertip257terr_: I'm not doing any clustering ... read
01:37.25silvertip257pseubodot: it begins to download 700+ packages that I don't want ... I kill it :)
01:37.37pseubodotsilvertip257: completely understandable. :)
01:38.09terr_silvertip257: I don't actually know the details.
01:38.20pseubodot(eeps! child process calls, bbiab)
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01:40.24helenterr_: PM
01:41.47pseubodotsilvertip257: do you run approx or apt-cache?
01:42.38pseubodot(eg. to speed up the install)
01:43.19silvertip257I don't believe I knowingly set either
01:43.43abrotmanthey're proxies .. you'd know
01:43.49silvertip257I figured so
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01:44.10silvertip257and no, I'm not proxy/mirroring anything - just grabbing pkgs from a local univ
01:44.18pseubodotsilvertip257: ok, just curious. I used them when I was doing the beowulf work, they sped up the process greatly
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01:44.44silvertip257pseubodot: that's another project on my list :)
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01:46.03pseubodotsilvertip257: considerably simpler than preseeding
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01:46.50silvertip257I'll do that next
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01:50.37silvertip257pseubodot: tasksel is commented out ... every preseed item related to it
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01:51.34vvujaanyone knows about wodim bug
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01:51.44vvujaand problem with writing to DVDs
01:51.52vvujaI have latest kernel from mandriva 2011
01:51.56vvujaand latest cdrkit tools
01:52.01abrotmanvvuja: how is this related to Debian ?
01:52.07vvujawell if anyone can help?
01:52.09vvujafor example
01:52.14vvujaif problem is resolved somehow
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01:52.17vvujaI can't make backups
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01:52.22abrotmanvvuja: how is this related to Debian ?
01:52.32vvujait is not
01:52.36vvujaI just asked if someone can help
01:52.50helenvvuja: It's offtopic here though.
01:52.53silvertip257vvuja: try asking in the ##linux channel or the mandriva channel
01:52.57vvujaok
01:52.59vvujathaks
01:53.00vvujathanks
01:53.00helenSo people will refuse to support you.
01:53.01abrotman1) try #mandriva b) try the mandrive bug tracker c) email the authors
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01:53.37helend) thanks for leaving
01:54.06helenI'd love to ask the following question...
01:54.08helenHere goes
01:54.17helenWhich is the last floppy version of debian?
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01:55.06robin_szcoo.
01:55.10robin_szfloppies
01:55.15helenterr_: Welcome back!
01:56.05terr_Channel splie.
01:56.39helenIt's just...
01:57.16helenI have a stack of spare floppy drives and would like to stick one in my modern desktop to give the latest floppy version of debian a test drive. :D
01:57.20helenfor fun basicly.
01:57.35robin_szI think it was woody
01:57.56robin_szat least I know woody was doable on floppies
01:57.59helenrobin_sz: Oh cool :)
01:58.22robin_szim sure there is a rude joke in there somewhere about floppies and woody ... but its late
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01:58.50helenYa i'm about to send these floppy drives off to brier engineering.
01:58.55helenI'm curious...
01:59.02helenShould i keep one?
01:59.25helenWould a debian floppy make a god rescue disc if my disc drive packs in?
01:59.31robin_szno
01:59.39helenoh damn
01:59.55robin_sza much better bet these days is a rescue cd or rescue USB
01:59.57abrotmansmells something funny ...
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02:00.36helenI've had disc drives pack in before and i have a disc drive shortage so i guess i'm going to have to buy a flash disc.
02:00.39helen:(
02:00.57robin_szthat or punch cards
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02:01.10DanDarelast mobo ive bough doenst even come with a floppy interface
02:01.10robin_szthey never fail
02:01.14helenrobin_sz: punch cards?
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02:01.33jhutchins_lthelen: Bootable CD is what most of the world works with.
02:01.43simonlnua card with holes punched into it
02:01.51jhutchins_lthelen: I keep a systemrescuecd around, update it once in a while.
02:01.53helenDanDare: My modern desktop strangely comes with a floppy interface but no floppy drive.
02:01.56helenlike...
02:01.59helenhmm
02:02.00helenwhat's the point?
02:02.01helenlol
02:02.06robin_szactually .. thats not true, punch cards are not prone to attack by virus
02:02.09abrotman!enter
02:02.09dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
02:02.13robin_szbut, they do go mouldy
02:02.25jhutchins_lthas played Gravity Wars (the original Asteroids) loaded from paper tape, and used to be able to sight read punch tape.
02:02.26simonlnuand soggy
02:02.28abrotmanrobin_sz: they cannot be set to write-protect though
02:02.43robin_szhmm, there is that
02:02.47DanDarea bootable rescue punch card, sounds quite interesting.
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02:02.55robin_szand rodent attack could be a problem
02:03.05DanDarehell yeah
02:03.15robin_szDanDare, ebdic or ASCII?
02:03.15simonlnuspend 20 minutes feeding card into the machine to boot the kernel ;p
02:03.16jhutchins_ltI still have a stack of punchcards in my desk, they're kinda the next step up from 3x5 cards.
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02:03.34helenthose things are old, no?
02:03.50DanDareheh
02:03.50abrotmanpoints at #debian-offtopic
02:03.55jhutchins_ltGentlemen, think please, the data capacity of a punch card is aproximately 80 bytes.
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02:04.18robin_szhelen, yes they are, but so are floppies
02:04.36jhutchins_ltPoint being that floppy boot has been abandoned.
02:04.39helenrobin_sz: Then i know what a punch card is. :)
02:04.42helenanyway...
02:04.47helenanother ontopic question.
02:04.59jhutchins_ltThere are bootable floppies, but they offer extremely limited systems.
02:05.03robin_szwoody is probably your last Debian with a floppy install
02:05.09helenWould you recommend Debian 5 or Debian 6 as a server?
02:05.09jhutchins_ltTom's Root Boot, dban.
02:05.12robin_szGot floppies? get woody!
02:05.20jhutchins_lthelen: 6
02:05.21robin_sz6
02:05.24helenrobin_sz: I will. :) thanks
02:05.29jhutchins_lthelen: Don't start with old software.
02:05.32helenjhutchins_lt: Aaah
02:05.39helenjhutchins_lt: That wasn't my plan.
02:05.42jhutchins_lthelen: 5 will loose support in February 2012.
02:05.48robin_szno it wont
02:05.56abrotmanit likely will
02:05.58robin_szit will *lose* support ...
02:06.10helenI just find it adventurous testing out all these old software.
02:06.12jhutchins_ltIt will stop getting security updates.
02:06.18helenjoins offtopic channel
02:06.19robin_sznods
02:06.21helenand OSes
02:08.00robin_szand with that ... its late .. my wife has gone to bed
02:08.06robin_sztime to go
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02:08.47jhutchins_ltMore information than we really need.
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02:11.34qubitsI need to know how to try and recover some data from a drive with a failing controller
02:12.04abrotmanput it on a new controller?
02:12.10abrotmanthinks this is obvious ?
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02:13.10acuI am trying to convert a Vmware image vmdk  to an raw .img so I can run it as virtual machine in a kvm host  - any hints ?
02:13.35jhutchins_ltacu: Yes, find a better way to spend your time.
02:14.00jhutchins_ltacu: It's a nice idea, but I know of zero implementations on any vm system so far.
02:14.05acujhutchins, that's too cryptic for my little baby brain
02:14.12abrotmanhuh?
02:14.41abrotmanhttp://www.linux-kvm.org/page/How_To_Migrate_From_Vmware_To_KVM ?
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02:15.09jhutchins_ltacu: You can't do that.
02:15.43abrotmanjhutchins_lt: what are you talking about
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02:16.32jhutchins_ltAh, progress.
02:17.07jhutchins_ltseriously wishes more stuff automatically included dates.
02:17.36qubitsabrotman: its the board on the hdd
02:17.52abrotmanqubits: is there something special about the drive?
02:17.54jhutchins_ltThat's the thing about stuff that seems like a good idea, but nobody's implmented it yet...
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02:18.16jhutchins_ltqubits: Swap with a board from a good hdd.
02:18.40jhutchins_ltqubits: Same brand and model obviously.
02:18.50abrotmansame firmware revision ...
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02:19.07abrotmanqubits: you said failing controller .. not quite the same
02:19.09jhutchins_ltSometimes you can get away with that.
02:20.03jhutchins_ltI know a guy who can detect and replace the bad components on the circuit board, but he don't come cheap.
02:20.41jhutchins_ltSony has been known to fly parts in on their corporate jet when he needed something.
02:21.10abrotmanqubits: you'd perhaps get better help in ##hardware
02:21.29silvertip257abrotman / pseubodot : the default must be desktop when there's enough memory >256MB or so ... this fixed my problem >> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect none
02:21.40acuqubits: sorry for this trivial question - how do you know that is the controler is failing and not the heads stuck ?
02:22.09DanDarequbits, anyway: get some used same spec drive and use the controller
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02:24.33DanDaresomeone said once: "real man doesnt make backups, they cry"
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02:26.08simonlnureal men don't use backups, they put it online so others make backups
02:26.36abrotmansilvertip257: congrats!
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02:27.00silvertip257heck yeah abrotman ... thanks for the suggestion
02:27.43Dewiis anyone experienced with any two of RDP, NX, Spice? Can you tell me how performance compares?
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02:28.18DewiI'm interested in both WAN and local, though obviously the answers could differ
02:29.03abrotmanyour WAN perforance depends on latency and speed
02:30.02Dewiabrotman: a WAN solution can afford to spend more time on compression
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02:30.40Dewiabrotman: whereas obviously that can slow down a local one; some VNC solutions suffer really badly from that
02:31.37abrotmanstill depends on speed and latency
02:32.16terr_s/msg helen  Like I don't know what all the laws are in NYC but I have to look after them so they live with me now.  I got caught.  Shannon and Raine were out of house before our conversation started.  They are new here but I've know them for 20 years.  As
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02:32.48silvertip257seriously ... why does he keep typing things OT ?
02:32.58silvertip257can't work his irc client - I think
02:33.12silvertip257Dewi: NX is fast on a LAN, never used Spice, never used RDP on Linux, VNC tunneled over SSH with compression is decent at times (but not as good as NX)
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02:33.52abrotmanterr_: try again
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02:34.16silvertip257abrotman: shhh :)
02:34.17abrotmanDewi: what are the connecting OSes?
02:36.12terr_Raine caught me  She is a wonderful young lady
02:36.42silvertip257:o
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02:37.23Dewiabrotman: I use most combinations at one time or another, at the moment the server dictates whether I use RDP or VNC, but they are both almost a decade old now
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02:37.23terr_I'll put it up on my web servers
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02:40.13linogeHi, i want to set up a local LAN repositorie for a group of 14~ pcs running debian squeeze, is there a way to do this?
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02:40.43abrotmanlinoge: use a proxy like approx or apt-cacher
02:41.04linogeabrotman, i was told about apt-cacher, it's good?
02:41.22abrotmani prefer approx
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02:41.32linogebesides that, every pc is able to install individual packages right?
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02:43.18abrotmanlinoge: it's a proxy .. in short, you point your systems at the proxy .. it caches the packages in case another system wants to install the same thing .. each package is downloaded once from the internet
02:43.26linogeok, my doubts where now solved, thanks abrotman, just found a fine article about approx :)
02:44.44abrotmanenjoy
02:45.29linoge:)
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02:47.44yagooanyone knows of a good mini-itx kit?
02:47.57yagoo(and for debian of course)
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02:56.02langkid1hey...
02:56.44langkid1how do I run a torrent client in debian?
02:56.51BlastHardcheesestart it
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02:57.01the|herbivoreinstall it first...
02:57.16langkid1I tried transmission
02:57.18langkid1it didn't work
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02:57.25langkid1lemme get the error
02:57.44langkid1Cannot open display:
02:57.59Dewilangkid1: that means it can't find X-windows
02:58.14Dewilangkid1: it can run as a web server but you have to configure it for that
02:58.25the|herbivore"echo $DISPLAY" = ?
02:58.27abrotmantry the cli versoin of transmission
02:58.32abrotmanor use rtorrent
02:58.49Dewiabrotman: heh, didn't even know there was a cli version too
02:59.00Dewithe web version is surprisingly close to the X one
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02:59.17langkid1I installed bittorrent, but bash says no such command
02:59.28abrotmanon Debian?
02:59.32langkid1yes
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02:59.45langkid1-bash: bittorrent: command not found
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03:00.58jhutchins_ltlangkid1: What happens if youl do ls /usr/share/doc/bittorrent/README.Debian?
03:01.26langkid1-bash: /usr/share/doc/bittorrent/README.Debian: Permission denied
03:01.30langkid1that's as root
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03:09.47langkid1uh, hello???
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03:10.08langkid1why do people always assume I'm trolling when I'm on this network....
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03:11.37simonlnulangkid1: ls not bash
03:11.47langkid1??
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03:12.09langkid1I just posted what I got when I tried that
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03:13.37simonlnuls, you know the listing command?
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03:14.18yagoolikes to list stuff with echo *
03:14.22yagooecho is bash!! :)
03:14.34langkid1yeah
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03:15.09langkid1I'm using SSH to connect to my VPS
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03:15.24erawfish_langkid1: dpkg -l |grep torrent
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03:16.08langkid1what do I do with that?
03:16.12yagoolol
03:16.22yagoolangkid1, you seriously aren't the owner of that vps
03:16.34langkid1what do you mean?
03:16.50langkid1I don't host it myself...
03:16.57langkid1I use http://vpsno.de
03:17.13langkid1and since they lost my data 1st time 'round, I get it for free now
03:17.16erawfish_langkid1: with the lack of knowledge you displayed so far, you don't need a VPS since you have no clue how to use it. That leads yagoo to the conclusion that this is not your VPS but you're a script kiddie or such
03:17.34langkid1D: http://langkid1.me:10000
03:19.21langkid1:( I hate when I get called names, because it only happens on this network
03:19.36yagoolol
03:19.59yagooI can't say more
03:20.14yagoo(i'd like to help but he's just so new to cli itself)
03:20.41langkid1stops himself from ranting
03:20.46erawfish_langkid1: I strongly suggest you install debian on a PC in your home and learn how to use it first
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03:21.14langkid1erawfish_, define what 'using' it would be?
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03:23.35erawfish_for example all system administration tasks you have to do
03:24.18erawfish_e.g. how to list installed programs, how to install them, how to look for a file, etc
03:24.48langkid1apt-get install <package>?
03:25.19simonlnu!grounding
03:25.19dpkgBefore asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference.  Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
03:25.32simonlnu!fundamentals
03:25.32dpkgYou'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals.  Read the "Unix and Internet  Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/  Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
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03:27.17langkid1f this I"m going to #bittorrent
03:28.55DanDareyou may be able to download skills there :D
03:29.10langkid1-_-
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03:33.17simonlnuah well. your loss. have fun getting frustrated ;).
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03:49.08nevyneww plex
03:49.25maikwhy don't you like it?
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04:50.33cardamon_I added the line deb-src http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib to my sources.list
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05:54.57cardamonhttp://packages.debian.org/experimental/nvidia-glx
05:55.32tuvaren't all nvidia packages built from a single source?
05:55.44cardamon?
05:56.30tuvnvidia-glx, nvidia
05:56.33tuvoops
05:57.26cardamonI don't know what you mean.  Except that I'm running the same driver, but from wheezy.  Version 275.28.  I want to try out Version 285.05.09, which is in experimental.
05:57.53tuvall packages with the word 'nvidia' in their names are built from a single source package, arent they?
05:58.17cardamonI have no idea.
05:58.17tuvnvidia-graphics-driver is the name of the source package
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05:59.10cardamontyche: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia-graphics-driver
05:59.14cardamoner
05:59.24cardamontuv: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=nvidia-graphics-driver
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06:00.34tuvcardamon: sorry. missed an S. http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers
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06:01.45cardamontuv: So then I want to do what to get the glx?
06:02.30tuvcardamon: most probably a newer nvidia-glx will require a newer (matching version) of the kernel module
06:02.54tuvso i don't think you can "hot-swap" nvidia-glx on its own
06:03.00centHOGGheh
06:03.07centHOGGno
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06:04.59cardamonapt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers ; apt-get -b experimental nvidia-glx OR everything_that's_built_from_nvidia-graphics-derivers?
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06:06.38tuvcardamon: here is what i would do: download the required nvidia binary packages from p.d.o and install them with dpkg. may succeed, or my run into a chain of dependencies
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06:07.23cardamontuv: Which also will not grab those deps for me either.
06:07.46tuvright. not on its own. will only complain if it needs something that is not installed
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06:08.55tuvsometimes a package requires a couple of additional dependencies to upgrade, which you can do and make not of them.
06:09.01tuv*make note
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06:24.06cardamon...marvelous.
06:24.22centHOGGmm
06:26.32tuvcardamon: remove what?
06:26.53cardamonThe driver.
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06:27.43tuvcardamon: what's would be the problem? usual uninstall
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06:31.45cardamontuv: Not sure what to grab to build from.
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06:32.37tuvcardamon: build what? what i suggested involves no building at all
06:33.22tuvinstall prebuilt binary packages downloaded from p.d.o
06:33.23alirezaI have a question. A while ago there was an issue with the nvidia driver not being able to handle the recent changes to Xorg
06:33.26hanasakioldirty:  no
06:33.27alirezais that issue resolved yet?
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06:37.19cardamontuv: There is no prebuilt for the source.
06:37.27cardamon...
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06:47.01freddddHm.
06:47.14freddddWould it be possible for me to ask for guidance in here when setting up my mail server?
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06:47.31freddddI got a VPS, with Debian 6.0, and I want to setup a mail server, for personal use, to receive and send email. I was thinking of Postfix.
06:47.39unforgiven512Holyfuck
06:48.00unforgiven512fglrx is a bitch
06:48.15unforgiven512It left a file: /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf
06:48.22unforgiven512which contained "blacklist radeon"
06:48.39unforgiven512Causing the open source radeon driver to not load (and therefore not work)
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06:48.56unforgiven5126 hours later, I'm back in X
06:49.33unforgiven512Thank you everyone for the help you offered me, I greatly appreciate it!
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06:50.05unforgiven512Putting all the pieces together from what you guys told me, as well as stuff found through a *lot* of Googling, I managed to get things working
06:52.19peterrooneyYAY for working!
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06:52.32Zzzzzzzhi room
06:52.35peterrooneymust be late to the party
06:52.43oldirtyHowdy!
06:52.53Zzzzzzzi want to redirect https://domain.com to https://www.domain.com through .htaccess
06:52.59Zzzzzzzhow can i do it ?
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06:53.37unforgiven512lol
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06:53.54unforgiven512Zzzzzzz: Why not use php?
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06:54.06Zzzzzzznop, wana to do it from .htaccess
06:54.09unforgiven512Though if you hang on a sec, I'll give you an answer
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06:55.29unforgiven512Just Googling for "redirect with htaccess", I came across http://dense13.com/blog/2008/02/27/redirecting-non-www-to-www-with-htaccess/
06:55.42unforgiven512You may have to setup separate vhosts for site.com and www.site.com
06:55.52unforgiven512I'm not sure offhand how that'll work
06:56.11unforgiven512(ie, if you use aliases, you might end up in a redirect loop)
06:56.13unforgiven512so do:
06:56.36oldirtyZzzzzzz: how about 'RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www.
06:57.02oldirtyZzzzzzz: RewriteRule (.*) http://www.host.com$1
06:57.07unforgiven512ServerName site.com
06:57.23unforgiven512DocumentRoot /var/www/redirect_htaccess/
06:57.26unforgiven512and then
06:57.31unforgiven512ServerName www.site.com
06:57.39unforgiven512DocumentRoot /var/www/real_website/
06:57.40Zzzzzzzmeans ?
06:57.46unforgiven512Huh?
06:57.53Zzzzzzzi said https://domain.com to https://www.domain.com
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06:58.00oldirtyZzzzzzz: seriously?
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06:58.08unforgiven512Ok, then just put it in the https section of your vhost file
06:58.11oldirtylol
06:58.18oldirtychecks out.
06:58.21oldirtythanks anyway guys :)
06:58.24Zzzzzzzcan you pastebin ?
06:58.32oldirtyZzzzzzz: jump off a bridge :)
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06:58.56unforgiven512ServerName site.com
06:59.03unforgiven512DocumentRoot /var/www/redirect_me/
06:59.08Zzzzzzzi dont hav server, only hosting account sir
06:59.10Zzzzzzz:P
06:59.23unforgiven512Hmm
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06:59.50unforgiven512Can you make it so "site.com" serves one page, and "www.site.com" serves another?
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07:00.26unforgiven512Just try the stuff on that page (replacing http:// with https://)
07:00.35unforgiven512Anyhow, I'm off to bed. Gotta work bright and early.
07:00.40unforgiven512Night everyone!
07:00.44Zzzzzzzhaha
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07:01.22unforgiven512If I had more time to help, I totally would, dude.
07:01.41unforgiven512If you can serve two separate sites, put the htaccess file in site.com's documentroot
07:01.56unforgiven512If not, just put it in the documentroot anyways.
07:02.02Zzzzzzzno problem thanks !!
07:02.02unforgiven512Play around with it, you may have luck.
07:02.09unforgiven512No problem man
07:02.11unforgiven512Good luck!
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07:12.56daliborjhi, does anybody know of a good apt-able novell fileshare emulation package for debian?
07:13.39centHOGGgood q for any distro
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07:16.09gary_goldenhey, who has 32bit? please, send me output of this command
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07:21.53cardamonI was fulling around with my sources and then fixed them back to wheezy.  Nothing's actually installed from the other sources, but when I try to update I get this: http://paste.debian.net/140604/
07:22.07cardamonIs there cache or a lockfile I should empty out?
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07:24.47cardamonGuys?
07:25.16becker_11I've just installed wireshark from the testing repo and there was a cannot create / directory missing error in the log I've posted it here http://paste.debian.net/140605/ what should I do to rectify it please?
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07:55.11becker_11I've just installed wireshark from the testing repo and there was a cannot create / directory missing error in the log I've posted it here http://paste.debian.net/140605/ what should I do to rectify it please?
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07:59.38mahdihello ...
07:59.48mahdiHow can instal gnome 2.32 on debian ?
07:59.55mahdii use debian stable ...
08:00.38theSlow1Hi everyone. I need some help resizing a lvm section. Does anyone have experience with this?
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08:02.35theSlow1mahdi: I don't use gnome myself, but isn't it as easy as #aptitude install gnome
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08:13.05optrazhello, i have i386 installed as my cpu does not support 64bit . now i'v upgraded my cpu to 64bit on the existing computer, can i dont reinstall everything, that is , shutdown computer and replace the cpu and boot up the o.s.?
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08:14.37theSlow1optraz: yes
08:14.38llutzoptraz: yes
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08:15.40optraztheSlow1: llutz how can i be sure? because i have *many* applications and virtual machine on my pc, i dont want error after replaced
08:16.06llutzoptraz: if you just replace the CPU it shouldn't have any negative sideeffects
08:16.07theSlow1optraz: what was your old CPU
08:16.21theSlow1and what was is the new one?
08:16.43theSlow1I am willing to bet that the 64bit cpu also has a 32bit instruction set
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08:17.17llutzis there any CPU (amd64) which has not?
08:17.32optraz<PROTECTED>
08:17.44optrazthat is old cpu
08:17.53optrazthe new cpu, i want 64bit, i still have not decided which cpu to get
08:17.56theSlow1llutz: not that i know of
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08:20.02optrazi probably get E5700
08:20.25optrazbut i dont think that is 64bit cpu
08:21.00becker_11I've just installed wireshark from the testing repo and there was a cannot create / directory missing error in the log I've posted it here http://paste.debian.net/140605/ what should I do to rectify it please?
08:21.06llutzintel says:Instruction Set64-bit
08:21.28llutzoptraz: ^^
08:21.44gentzi have a port open for a local caching service, but my modem doesn't have a firewall. what iptables command can I use to drop all requests to the service except from localhost?
08:21.45theSlow1http://ark.intel.com/products/29738/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E2140-(1M-Cache-1_60-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
08:21.50optrazllutz: where did you refer that?
08:21.53optrazcan provide me the link?
08:22.07llutzoptraz: http://ark.intel.com/products/42801/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5700-(2M-Cache-3_00-GHz-800-MHz-FSB)
08:22.43optrazllutz: thank you.
08:23.27llutzgentz: can't you bind that port only to localhost?
08:24.32gentzllutz: how do i bind it only to localhost?
08:24.59llutzgentz: read the documentation for your service and check for config-options to do that
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08:25.19theSlow1becker_11: "....gdk-pixbuf-2.0//gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders..."  <--- why is there a double '/' ?
08:26.46llutzgentz: whats the "caching service" you run?
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08:28.11becker_11Don't know that is the output from the apt command
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08:33.13cardamonSo, Wine won't run on amd64?
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08:34.23gentzllutz: dnsmasq
08:35.38cardamondamn, I'm stuck in a chicken-egg paradox.  I have an exe that will provide me a legitimate iso of Win7 if I can run it (putting it on a VM).  But can't execute it without an installation of windows.
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08:36.28sauvinSince when do legitimate copies of Windows come in exe form?
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08:36.53cardamonsauvin: msdn academic alliance
08:37.21cardamonthe exe's most likey just a key verifier and a downloader.
08:38.26cardamonOf course, the lack of a Wine on amd64 compounds my frustration.  I don't actually have a windows machine in easy access.
08:38.30sauvinAnd you're asking Windows questions in a Linux channel because...?
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08:38.35llutzgentz: Interface=lo
08:38.55llutzgentz: or --listen-address=127.0.0.1
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08:39.22becker_11cardamon: have you tried extracting it with file roller?
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08:41.27cardamonbecker_11: Thre's nothing to extract.  It's not a self-extracting archive.  It's a 424KB binary that verifies my key and grabs me the iso.
08:41.46becker_11cardamon: okay fair enough
08:41.56cardamonI doubt MS has the ability to compress 2.6GB into 425KB.
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08:42.28Almteshcardamon, the iso is compressed.
08:42.30cardamonTo be honest, my usage is out of spec so I can't fault them.
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08:42.39becker_11cardamon: they'd make a fortune if they did
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08:44.32berzerkahi guys
08:44.38cardamonAt this point, there is no iso.  It's floating around out there, waiting for me.  So I can't run it from a VM because I don't have a copy to install on the VM (which is the whole point).  I can't run it from Wine because it won't compile on amd64.  And I don't have a windows box to do the grunt work from.  So unless anyone else has an idea, I'm going to bed.
08:46.02becker_11cardamon: seeing as the file is so small have you thought of emailing it to a friend and getting them to run it and copying the url to you if that would work
08:46.18berzerkai don't find a package with Qt for embedded in the debian repos. is there none, or is it somehow contained in the available Qt packages? (this is for armel)
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08:47.17cardamonbecker_11: It's probably not gonna spit out a URL.  It'll most likely handle it itself.
08:47.52becker_11cardamon: sorry mate just a thought I hope you get it sorted
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08:49.18berzerkahm seems like it was removed in 2005..
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08:51.03babilencardamon: wine might be worth a try -- There is also ##windows that might know how to retrieve a usable copy of Windows for your license.
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08:59.32SpiderFredhi I installed debian on hdd and put it in another computer now my internet connection doesnt work  saying error while getting interface flags: no such device
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09:29.17niklaswedoes someone know how i should recover my data from an disk... there it cleared all partition from kickstart..?
09:29.46Kamping_Kaiserkickstart?
09:29.53niklasweyeah
09:31.27babilenWhat is kickstart? RH?
09:31.42kskrhel install via network
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09:31.49niklaswebabilen: yeah, and you can use it with debian.
09:33.17babilenSom rh it is. Ok, and how did "it" clear all partitions? You might be able to recover the partition table with tools such as gpart or testdisk
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09:34.01babilenOr has the data been wiped?
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09:35.28niklaswebabilen: it have wiped the partion and I only has sdb now
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09:38.51babilenniklaswe: Look into gpart/testdisk in that case. IIRC gpart was better (but check first) -- A backup of your MBR might be a good idea in the future. (dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/backup/sdX_mbr bs=512 count=1)
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09:42.32fastaHow can I automatically fill in a Java form in some desktop application?
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09:42.56paul3Hey, guys. I have a question. There this thing in gnome - Personal Information. What is that for? Is it stored somewhere on the harddrive? Is it sent somewhere? Used somewhere? Thanks :)
09:42.58fastaSo, I just want to simulate some user-input.
09:43.24fastapaul3: it is used for defaults.
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09:43.46fastapaul3: for example your IRC client could by default use these values
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09:44.02fastapaul3: if you don't want anyone to know them, input bogus values.
09:44.51babilen(Or don't connect to the internet)
09:46.36fastababilen: If you are really paranoid, you must assume that 'they' can even see your screen through a wall.
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09:53.10paul3fasta, thanks :) do u know where it is stored?
09:53.41boudiccas!u
09:53.41dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
09:53.50fastapaul3: no, idea, but you can strace the program which shows the information.
09:54.07fastano idea*
09:54.41paul3fasta, how do I do that?:)
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09:55.26fastapaul3: or you can read the documentation and if there is no documentation, ask a question on the mailing list or file a bug.
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10:02.00noneoIs there a trick to install mercurial on wheeze? mercurial deb actually did not install binaries.
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10:04.52maelaianIs sid the experimental option in synaptic?
10:04.58nkuttlernoneo: what makes you think so?
10:05.03nkuttlermaelaian: no
10:05.18maelaianHow do I switch to sid?
10:05.38nkuttler!tell maelaian about sid faq
10:09.40noneomaelaian: sorry, its squeeze. `hg`: abort: couldn't find mercurial libraries in (and here is a list of all directories in PYTHONPATH I suppose).
10:10.17maelaian•nkuttler• I have the business card installer, im having trouble finding a testing or unstable one.
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10:12.39maelaianGot it!
10:12.42maelaianExpert mode ftw.
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10:15.37paul3exit
10:15.42paul3sorry
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10:17.44mah454I have a problem with gnome-2.30 . I add computer and trash icon i desktop with gconf-editor . but can not acces on this items ! receive this message : "Could not display "computer:///"."
10:17.52mah454s/i/in
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10:18.36sephiiis there a way to use dash's `read` built-in in silent mode?
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10:19.39nkuttlernoneo: that's very odd. works for me
10:20.13nkuttlernoneo: try to purge and reinstall the package
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10:27.59BW^-in debian etch/squeeze, where are the core files stored on app SIGSEGV?
10:28.17BW^-ouch, ulimit -c gives 0
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10:30.38zienthehi, every time I want to run a java app, it crashes with "java.awt.HeadlessException", I'm using java 1.6.0_23, any ideas? ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=71931 )
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10:33.22dwfreedzienthe: the app you're trying to run wants to use a keyboard, mouse, or display in a way that it can't because of the way you're trying to run it
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10:34.53zienthedwfreed: I'm running it by "java -jar file.jar" (it has worked before) How else should I try to run it?
10:35.39dwfreedzienthe: are you currently in a graphical environment?
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10:37.34zienthedwfreed: yes
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10:38.05dwfreedzienthe: what does 'echo $DISPLAY' output? (remove the quotes when you run that)
10:38.06noneomaelaian: I discovered it on my home srv. Now I have replicated it on fresh installation on VPS.
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10:38.27zienthedwfreed: ':0'
10:39.59noneomaelaian: purge did not help.
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10:40.39dwfreedzienthe: try this: 'DISPLAY=:0 java -jar app.jar' (again, remove the quotes, and substitute app.jar with the app you're trying to run)
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10:41.11`aimka`hi
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10:41.26zienthedwfreed: still the same error
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10:41.38beeconi have a problem with a dpkg in maemo. i have installed package samba-common in maemo. now i try to remove it. but it is imposible. apt-get doesn't work at all.it only says E: The package samba-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.also it is imposible to install anything else because apt says same thing as this and doesnt let me to install anything. and when im trying to remove it through dpkg,it says Package is in a very bad in
10:41.39beeconconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. but reinstalling is imposible and says: www.pastebin.com/H0YE3mQD
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10:42.59`aimka`I'm setting up a repository with reprepro, my incoming queue works well, however, I did not figure out how to set the component inside the distribution
10:43.09`aimka`is it only done with the overrides ?
10:43.59dwfreedbeecon: perhaps ask in #maemo ?
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10:47.22dwfreedzienthe: are you able to create other windows in your graphical environment?
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10:48.15zienthedwfreed: of course, everything works as it should, except for the java applications
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10:49.03dwfreedzienthe: all java apps that create graphical interfaces or just the one?
10:49.04beecondear friend this is related to dpkg not maemo
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10:50.13zienthedwfreed: all java apps, as described in the forum post - except for jdownloader, that one seems to work as well without graphical interface but well, it wouldn't hurt to be able to control it.
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10:53.15dwfreedzienthe: have you rebooted your machine since they stopped working?
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10:53.47beeconguys, u r so bad. how hard is this for u to help me bout this issue? this is a dpkg problem too
10:53.54beecon:-(
10:54.06xandbeecon: go away to the right channel.
10:54.21xand!based on debian
10:54.22dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't know what changes were made by your distribution.  #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
10:54.49beeconxand: fuck u
10:54.50beecon:-p
10:54.53zienthedwfreed: yes, several times - now that I remember, in the update before, there was a message that was somewhat related to nvidia, kernel and whatsoever - I'm sorry I can't remember it, but still, do you think it could be related? I might try reinstalling the drivers
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10:55.53dwfreedzienthe: I don't know; at this point, I have no idea what the issue is, and can't be of any more help, sorry.
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10:56.24zienthedwfreed: alright, thanks for trying anyway
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11:12.21cobra-the-joker!libreoffice
11:12.21dpkgLibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>.  It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging.  http://www.libreoffice.org/  #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net.  Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>.  http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623
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11:12.56cobra-the-jokerso it didnt arrive yet !!
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11:13.14boudiccascobra-the-joker; what is 'it'?
11:13.21cobra-the-jokerboudiccas, libreoffice
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11:15.49babilencobra-the-joker: How so? It is in wheezy and sid and you can install it from backports. What else is needed?
11:16.09cobra-the-jokerbabilen, i meant to Stable
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11:16.21cer_abghi there
11:16.26maelaianlots of things havent arrived in stable, this is debian ;))
11:16.42maelaianim scared to wonder what eclipse is in stable.
11:16.45boudiccascobra-the-joker; get it from the source Luke, its no problem
11:16.45babilencobra-the-joker: It will never arrive in stable. (That is the very definition of stable) -- You can install it from backports. (/msg dpkg bdo)
11:16.49cer_abghow can I avoid dpkg to delete some files when unistalling my .deb package?
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11:17.40cer_abgI'v readed about conffiles, but I think it's not exactly what I want
11:17.55boudiccascer_abg; use apt-get
11:18.00babilen!wayttd cer_abg
11:18.01dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, cer_abg?
11:18.17cer_abgboudiccas: apt-get??
11:18.28boudiccascer_abg; man apt-get
11:18.57boudiccas!apt-get
11:18.57dpkgapt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt.  apt-get is the original frontend for <apt> but <aptitude> is now the recommended tool for managing packages.  See also <why aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>, http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get, or or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9.
11:20.04cer_abgI'm creating my own .deb packages. Installing with dpkg -i packagename.deb works fine but when unistalling with dpkg -e package, dpkg deletes ALL files that where originally installed by the package. And I want to change that behaviour. In .rpm it's possible
11:20.37Kamping_Kaiserum, why?
11:20.45cer_abgI want some files inside the package to not be removed
11:20.51babilenWhy?
11:21.19cer_abgfor example, if my package install something inside /usr/local/sbin/asdasd when unistalling, dpkg deletes /usr/local/sbin if it's empty
11:21.25babilenThat would be pretty buggy behaviour IMHO
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11:21.53cer_abgand i dont want to delete the folder even if it's empty
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11:22.13Kamping_Kaiseris that example the real path?
11:22.27babilenWhy? I would regard that as buggy packaging. What are you trying to achieve by that?
11:24.15babilencer_abg: Please also note that packaging related questions are better asked in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- It would help tremendously if you could tell us (or them) what you are really trying to achieve.
11:24.19boudiccascer_abg; what version of debian are you using?
11:24.22zientheevery time I want to run a java app, it crashes with "java.awt.HeadlessException", I'm using java 1.6.0_23, any ideas? ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=71931 )
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11:26.00babilenzienthe: Please paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nopenjdk" to http://paste.debian.net
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11:27.37zienthebabilen: http://paste.debian.net/140644/
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11:28.42babilenzienthe: Is this sid or wheezy?
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11:28.51zienthebabilen: wheezy
11:29.35boudiccascer_abg; as you cant provide what version of debian you're using, i reckon that you're using ubuntu!
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11:30.55Bartzyhey
11:30.56BartzyI can't play MKV files through VLC in squeeze. Tried installing stuff from debian multimedia, doesn't work.
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11:31.30phikthe MKV container or the video codec inside it?
11:31.44babilenzienthe: So you can not run *any* java related program? Does "java -version" fail in the same way? I guess that this is rather due to minecraft, which might need to be convinced to run headless.
11:32.29zienthezienthe: oh, I guess it was misleading - every graphic java app crashes like this, java -version works alright
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11:33.07zienthezienthe: and there's also jdownloader (a download manager), which appears to run as usual, just without the graphical interface
11:33.21boudiccasZiber; do you normally talk to yourself?
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11:33.48boudiccaszienthe; sorry, do you normally talk to yourself?
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11:34.40zientheboudiccas: haha, not often, really.
11:34.49zienthebabilen: and there's also jdownloader (a download manager), which appears to run as usual, just without the graphical interface
11:35.11zienthebabilen: oh, I guess it was misleading - every graphic java app crashes like this, java -version works alright
11:35.32zienthefacepalms
11:36.36babilenzienthe: So, java is somehow convinced that it is running headless. How are you running the programs? Are you in X?
11:37.13cer_abgboudiccas: i'm using squeeze
11:37.30boudiccascer_abg; ah, there is life before death!
11:37.31cer_abgKamping_Kaiser: yes, is one of the real path
11:37.32zienthebabilen: yes, I'm in X, everything else is alright (non-java graphical apps work), and I'm running the programs from shell like "java -jar program.jar"
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11:37.56cer_abgboudiccas: xD
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11:38.43Kamping_Kaiserdpkg: nm
11:38.43dpkgwell, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ .  A program to list symbols from object files and libs.  Never/No Mind.  New Mexico  No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish.  See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>.
11:38.56Kamping_Kaisercer_abg: have a look at maint-guide, hopefully it'll help
11:38.59Kamping_Kaiserhas to disappear
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11:45.25babilencer_abg: I can not reproduce that error -- Could you show me the output of "env|grep -i display" and "ls -l /etc/alternatives/java*" please?
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11:46.49babilenzienthe: I downloaded the zip for JDownloader, unpack it and run "java -jar JDownloader.jar" in the unpacked JDownloader directory.
11:46.59babilencer_abg: Sorry, ENICK
11:47.07cer_abgbabilen: I see :P
11:47.25babilenzienthe: Please also see my earlier message to cer_abg (which was meant for you) -- /me gets coffee
11:48.15zienthebabilen: it doesn't print anything, and alright, it's running, what now?
11:48.16cer_abgmaint-guide wasn't usefull at all
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11:49.24cer_abgI'm creating a package that puts some kind of configuration in pam (creating some pam files) But when unistalling, the files are deleted and the pam gets hurted
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11:49.59babilencer_abg: → #debian-mentors (irc.oftc.net) please
11:50.01boudiccascer_abg; we heard you the first time, please dont repeat yourself
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11:50.10cer_abgok, ok...
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11:50.50zienthebabilen: oh, I'm an idiot, wait a minute
11:50.51babilenzienthe: You don't have DISPLAY in "env" ? What happens if you run "DISPLAY=:0 java -jar JDownloader.jar" ?
11:50.57babilenzienthe: Hmm?
11:51.27zienthebabilen: I read  the line quickly and thought it was a single command, not two separate commands
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11:52.23zienthebabilen: "DISPLAY=:0", and the second one: http://paste.debian.net/140651/
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11:55.31babilenzienthe: May I see the command + exact output when you try to run JDownloader?
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11:57.27georgeawhat are good mount options for fstab to mount a partition with RW for everyone?
11:57.30zienthebabilen: oh, wait, it crashed now, it didn't before - http://paste.debian.net/140654/
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12:01.09zienthebabilen: when I ran it before, it just seemed to work as usual, only that a window didn't appear
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12:02.28dpkgYes, xoz you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326
12:02.58babilenzienthe: I am just not able to reproduce that error here -- Give me a second. I'll ping later.
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12:03.53zienthebabilen: it might be of importance that I updated recently, it didn't happen before
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12:08.31babilenzienthe: Yeah, could you tell me a bit more about your graphic system. How is it installed? Which GPU are you using? Which driver? -- The problem is that http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/awt/GraphicsEnvironment.html#isHeadless() returns true -- I'm not sure why right now.
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12:15.23flh大家好
12:15.48abrotmanenglish ?
12:16.21flhhi
12:16.38abrotmanis that what that said ?
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12:21.14flhabbe: hi
12:22.23jellyflh: yes, this is an English writing channel.
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12:23.07dpkgFor help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿渡æå¼å§ï¼详æ请é读
12:23.45Dagger3... is it just me, or was dpkg's line not actually in UTF-8?
12:24.56jellyno, it's broken crap for some reason
12:25.03epsilonhard to say, has anyone chinese fonts installed?
12:26.07colo-workthat's just not properly UTF-8-encoded Chinese glyphs
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12:26.32epsilon!cn
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12:26.58epsilonI see same crap on latin1-client as on utf8
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12:30.44flh大家好
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12:33.34babilen!zh
12:33.35dpkgi heard zh is Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/server irc.oftc.net" he "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
12:34.07babilenflh: Kan de dong ma? ^^^^
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12:37.38helenAfternoon!
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12:39.31tuxcrafteri got a xen vps that has shutdown issues
12:39.39tuxcrafterit uses isci as disk
12:40.13tuxcrafterand during shutdown it disables the network interface of the iscsi and then freezes due to iscsi connection
12:40.17tuxcrafterloss
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12:40.36tuxcrafterhow do make debian dont disable eth1 that is used for the iscsi
12:40.52tuxcrafteri dont have anything in /etc/network/interfaces for the eth1 interface
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12:41.59tomodachituxcrafter: you should
12:42.23tomodachiif there is nothing telling the interface to go up, then it wont after reboot
12:42.38tuxcraftertomodachi: the probem is with shutdown
12:42.42tuxcrafterboot goes fine
12:42.58tuxcrafterit is shuting down the interface on shutdown to soon
12:43.06tomodachiah ok .
12:43.15tuxcrafterwell it should never touch the interface ...
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12:44.19sephiiis it "normal" that executing ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" hangs?
12:44.20tomodachituxcrafter: maybe have a look at the scripts triggered for shutdown then?
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13:04.14castwell that's somewhat ordinary, iptraf doesn't see usb0
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13:05.03abrotmanis it a network interface?
13:05.33castit is it is
13:05.44tuxcraftercant seem to solve it from the quest side
13:05.51tuxcrafteri even disabled the networking shutdown script
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13:07.24helenabrotman: hello :)
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13:08.33abrotmanhides
13:08.51abrotmancast: do other network things like jnettop see it?
13:08.57castjust stay calm and i'll get some help
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13:09.31abrotmanget some help?
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13:09.42abrotmanis calm ?
13:10.11castah, jnettop does see it
13:10.17castneat app
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13:11.08abrotmanit is .. but the question is why doesn't iftop see it ..
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13:12.47castiftop does, i suspect iptraf might just presume network interfaces are eth?
13:13.16abrotmanoh sorry .. wrong app
13:13.24abrotmancast: can you specify a single interface
13:13.27casttrying to force it to use usb0 gets me  Specified interface not supported
13:13.38abrotmanweird .. bts time?
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13:15.32castmmm,
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13:19.32ultraxhi all
13:20.04ultraxim getting constantly "echo PAESSHSTART;df -TP;echo PAESSHEND" in root's bash history. does anybody know wtf that is?
13:20.39castchecked your bash rc files?
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13:21.02ultraxcast: what should i find there?
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13:21.47casti'm not sure how to answer that
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13:22.11ultraxcast: was your question pointed to me?
13:22.12abrotmanultrax: did you look at the commands around it ?
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13:22.38ultraxabrotman: the commands around it are pretty similar and it's beeing execuded all the time constantly
13:22.58ultrax<PROTECTED>
13:22.59ultrax<PROTECTED>
13:22.59ultrax<PROTECTED>
13:23.02ultraxthere you go
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13:23.13ultraxwhat kind of weird sh*t is that?
13:23.22casti'm leaning towards some kind of crappy script
13:23.43ew0xultrax: Is that a hosted server ?
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13:24.03castyou could watch for processes writing to .bash_history and track it down that way
13:24.31helenhugs abrotman
13:24.31cast[inotify related tools may be handy for that]
13:25.04flhcolinux debian
13:25.18ultraxew0x: no
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13:25.43ew0xultrax: just asking, as it looks like some low-end monitoring tasks
13:25.50helenPls can someone list me five ancient debian based distros?
13:26.11casthelen: we could, but we won't. wikipedia.org is good for information, and stuff
13:26.48helencast: It actually has that info inside it? :O
13:27.12abrotmanhelen: do you have a Debian question ?
13:27.13pizza_bizultrax: appears to be related to something called PRTG -- www.paessler.com
13:27.17helenabrotman: Yes
13:27.21helenANd i asked it.
13:27.22helen:)
13:27.34abrotmanthat's not really a Debian question .. google could answer that for you
13:27.47abrotman!child distros
13:27.49abrotmanbleh ..
13:27.59abrotmanhelen: google "Debian children distributions"
13:28.15abrotmanhave a nice day
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13:28.46helenabrotman: Sorry i was trying to be social in here. :'(
13:28.48helenI FAIL
13:28.50helengood bye
13:29.07abrotmani've told you before .. not a social channel .. try #debian-offtopic
13:29.28helenabrotman: I'm in there already but you're not there or are you?
13:29.30helen1min...
13:29.32stockholmabrotman: it is as social as you make it
13:29.34helendouble checks
13:29.36stockholmor as a-socila
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13:29.59abrotmanstockholm: yes .. i'm well aware of that
13:30.06stockholmthen stop it
13:30.15runaheyas. I would like to report a bug and attach 2 screenshots, how shall I do this?
13:30.33abrotmanruna: what program are you using to report the bugs?
13:30.39runaabrotman: reportbug
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13:31.26abrotmanruna: it has -A to attach files
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13:31.31runaabrotman: thanks
13:31.42abrotmanstockholm: stop what?
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13:31.53stockholmstop being asocial
13:31.56ultraxpizza_biz: great, you're the man. thanks a lot! (and yes i'm using prtg..)
13:32.21abrotmanstockholm: i'm perfectly happy to be social in the correct place .. join #debian-offtopic if you like :)
13:32.44mapreriis away: Mi sono allontanato. Ci vediamo :)
13:32.57stockholmabrotman: i dont ask you to be social. i ask you to stop being asocial
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13:33.13abrotmani'm not being asocial .. i'm asking people to be social in the correct place
13:33.30boudiccasstockholm; stop telling an op how to behave
13:33.42flhadam8157: 这里是英文呀，哈哈
13:33.56abrotmanboudiccas: to be fair .. he's a DD :)
13:34.03adam8157flh: so, in english :)
13:34.06stockholmboudiccas: i am perfectly free to tell an op or anyone else how to behave. he has no mandate to make this a hostile channel
13:34.07flhadam8157: 反正咱们看得懂
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13:34.22abrotmanisn't being hostile ..
13:34.28erawfish_stockholm: he has a mandate to remove you however if you don't play by the rules of the sandbox
13:34.33flhadam8157: 把中文推向debian
13:34.41erawfish_so please be a big boy and behave like one. thank you
13:34.42adam8157flh: please dont
13:34.51ultraxcan somebody recommend me software for detecting network loops?
13:35.04abrotmanloops?
13:35.22stockholmif he stared to kick debian developers off of #debian because they tell him to be less hostile he would get removed himself, quickly.
13:35.26tomodachiultrax: you could use mtr or some other network tracing tool for that
13:35.33flhadam8157: oh,
13:35.33ultraxwell, let's hope it's only 1, abrotman :)
13:35.50abrotmanstill wasn't being hostile ..
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13:36.01ultraxtomodachi: is there any good howto on such a discovery?
13:36.12ultraxi've searched myself but found only windows stuff
13:36.19erawfish_stockholm: if a debian developer behaves like an ass and he doesn't react he's not fit for the job. if the collective debian DD community backs a rogue developer in exerting his powers unjustly, then THEY don't do their job
13:36.27abrotmanWe have -offtopic so people can be social .. if we had 1000 people being social in here, it would be total chaos
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13:37.03tomodachiultrax: i dont know really but if your traffic never reaches the endpoint through mtr then you could start suspecting loops
13:37.18erawfish_or a simple bad routing table
13:38.41abrotmanstockholm: FWIW, I think helen is perfectly happy being social in #debian-offtopic .. i welcome many others to join ..
13:39.11IRseeQuit explaining how help channel is for help and kick him.
13:39.16stockholmabrotman: yes, she took it well
13:39.45abrotmanback to Debian ..
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13:40.38ultraxtomodachi: ill try that mtr thing out, thanks
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13:42.47JyZyXELsudo update-grub
13:42.50JyZyXEL<PROTECTED>
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13:44.15ew0xJyZyXEL: sudo grub-mkdevicemap
13:44.55JyZyXELdoesn't help
13:45.12IRseegrub-install -v ??
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13:45.32JyZyXELgrub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1
13:45.35erawfish_JyZyXEL: what's in your device.map and what kind of drives do you actually have?
13:47.03JyZyXEL(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-KingSpec_KSD-SA25.1-032MJ_KSS0000001BBB
13:47.28erawfish_and that's all? and it's /dev/sda?
13:47.49JyZyXELusb stick is (hd1)
13:48.22JyZyXELhd0 is /dev/sda
13:48.41erawfish_ls -al /dev/disk/by-id
13:49.12JyZyXELata-KingSpec_KSD-SA25.1-032MJ_KSS0000001BBB -> ../../sda
13:49.27abrotmanare you in a chroot of some sort?
13:49.34JyZyXELno
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13:51.30Kattytwisted: ping
13:52.09boudiccas!ping
13:52.09dpkgYes, boudiccas you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326
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13:53.26JyZyXELso where do we go from here
13:54.13IRseeJZyXEL: Same results with the USB device unplugged?
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13:54.26JyZyXELill try
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13:55.14erawfish_if that doesn't help, you gotta debug grub-probe I guess
13:55.17JyZyXELyeah it didn't help
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13:55.51JyZyXELbut how do you debug it thru the debian wrapper
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13:56.39JyZyXELoh looks like its nothing more than grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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13:57.46JyZyXELthey don't have any sort of debugging
13:58.26ew0xJyZyXEL: What does 'grub-probe /dev/sda1' and 'grub-probe -d /dev/sda1' give as an output ?
13:58.56JyZyXELgrub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /dev/sda1 (is /dev mounted?).
13:59.19JyZyXELgrub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1.  Check your device.map.
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14:01.27pizza_bizhmm.  is there any way to tell for certain what drive i booted from?  i made a clone copy of /dev/sda to a second identical drive and rebooted.  but when i restarted, it appears it's booting /dev/sdb (the copy) instead.
14:01.40IRseeJZyXEL: you could try to re-write the device.map with grub-install
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14:02.18IRseeJZyXEL: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
14:03.03JyZyXELyeah its broken, tells me to send a bug report
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14:04.16JyZyXELthis sucks
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14:05.24JyZyXELthey don't even include any useful debug info
14:06.12JyZyXELmight aswell print: next reboot, your fucked!, have a nice day.
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14:08.58JyZyXELi wonder if i could go lilo
14:09.26JyZyXELgetting so fed up with grub always breaking
14:09.54epsilonwhat happened to lilo revival project anyway, it#s still in development?
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14:10.46JyZyXELlast stable lilo release is April this year
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14:11.48abrotmanyou'd have to chart that out .. i don't think they were part of the release often partyy :)
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14:12.12JyZyXELits over 10 year since i last used lilo
14:12.32epsilonI used lilo since last year
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14:18.36jellyJyZyXEL: extlinux!
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14:20.49JyZyXELthe simple, the better
14:21.33omeringenthere is no gnome3 on debian including wheezy, right ?
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14:23.43pipelinefor now
14:24.03pipelineunstable has gtk3 and some gnome 3 components, so that stuff is coming eventually
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14:24.46abrotmanomeringen: it's coming soon
14:24.51omeringenany planned release date ?
14:24.54abrotman!gnome3
14:24.54dpkgGNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment.  Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it.  See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details.  Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html
14:25.02abrotmanomeringen: planned release for wheezy as a whole ?
14:25.11abrotmanor for gnome3 to get into wheezy?
14:25.20omeringenwheezy
14:25.29abrotmantry again :)
14:25.42abrotmanwheezy has no planned release date
14:25.54omeringento be honest, i have never used a linux distro on a real machine, just on virtual machines. . .
14:25.56abrotmanthey want to freeze in 6-8  months i believe ..
14:26.12abrotmanbut after freeze .. could be another year teil release (hopefully far less)
14:26.14omeringeni was about to install it but i realized that there is no gnome 3 atm
14:26.16omeringenoky
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14:28.41abrotmanomeringen: gnome3 sohuld be hitting wheezy shortly .. see the status link above .. probably within a couple of weeks i'd guess
14:28.53omeringenok,
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14:29.30abrotmanomeringen: personally .. i'm kinda excited :)
14:29.41omeringenanother question is ( i asked that yesterday actually), i am not able to download wheezy DVDs on BT network
14:29.59omeringenfails
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14:30.34omeringenthe man who answered my question yesterday said that there is no point to release it at BT network because they will be outdated in 6 hours
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14:31.03omeringeni am so new to linux so i couldn't understand that :D
14:31.28omeringentalking about these ; http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-dvd/
14:32.12omeringenexcited, why ? :P
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14:35.38rozieomeringen: don't download whole DVD. it's almost always waste of resources
14:35.48rozieusually netinstall is enough
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14:35.52rozieor first CD
14:35.58rozieor first DVD
14:36.09rozieI assume you have network access during installation
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14:36.26omeringenyeah i am gonna download first one but BT links are not working
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14:37.22roziewhat do you mean exactly? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent is valid link
14:37.40omeringenhttp://bttracker.debian.org:6969/announceFailure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
14:37.54omeringena problem on server side or my side :P
14:37.56roziechecking...
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14:39.58omeringena friend of mine has just checked the link, not working too. . .
14:40.07omeringenanyway
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14:41.30roziebug indeed
14:41.47abrotmanomeringen: you should probably use the netinst ..
14:41.54rozieomeringen: you can report bug about it
14:41.57abrotmanomeringen: the netinst is a far better way to isntall
14:42.15abrotmaneither stable or, if it's working today, the testing netinst
14:42.24rozieabrotman: but torrent download should work anyway
14:42.37abrotmani'm skeptical
14:42.55roziewhy?
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14:43.20erawfish_cause the testing installer is for testing the installer, not for installing debian
14:43.34rozieif it's not supposed to be distributed via torrent, don't give link to torrent files. simple
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14:44.01erawfish_it's Free software. it's supposed to be distributed so you can test it.just like testing and sid themselves
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14:44.50rozieerawfish_: it's supposed to be distributed indeed. the point is: distribution does not work ;)
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14:45.24abrotmanthinks rozie and erawfish_ are talkinga bout different things ?
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14:45.44zagabarWhen I did apt-get install xfce4 it wants to remove gnome and a huge amount other packages. Why is that? Can't they both be had at the same time?
14:45.49abrotmanerawfish_: technically, you're correct .. but if it works to do the install, why not ..
14:45.50omeringenhey, i don't want to wait for downloading whole packages from internet . . . just a DVD i enough for me.
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14:46.05abrotmanzagabar: sounds like your system is out of date .. do an aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade to start
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14:46.19rozieomeringen: so DVD does not need to be downloaded?
14:46.28omeringenit's just one time
14:46.34abrotmanomeringen: that's exactly why you use the netinst .. it's a better use of resources for a single on-line machine
14:46.49abrotmanomeringen: are you going to use every single package on that DVD ?
14:46.53rozieomeringen: it will have to get security updates anyway
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14:47.12rozieand you will download much more packages by downloading DVD
14:47.19abrotmanomeringen: so if you're not using every single package .. it's more efficient to use thtenetinst
14:47.48omeringenok i undertstand but i will install it to the vmachine first
14:47.56zagabarabrotman: I am getting "Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found." and "Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver."
14:48.11omeringenthen to my real machine. . . that makes me wait two times
14:48.16abrotmanomeringen: it's probably still better to use the netinst
14:48.19omeringenanyway forget about it
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14:48.20rozieomeringen: and you probably don't want to download _weekly_ build for this purpose
14:48.43omeringentell me why you excited abrotman
14:48.45abrotmanif that testing image was built on Sunday .. you've got five days of updates to download
14:48.51roziejust use netinstaller (or even debootstrap)
14:48.52abrotmanomeringen: for gnome3 .. i like it
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14:49.14omeringenok, gonna get netinstaller, you win
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14:49.24edbiansudo aptitude search <something> does not work this morning?
14:50.02rozieomeringen: burning lot of DVD's is bad for the planet ;)
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14:50.41omeringeni am still thinking on an offline install, wait a moment
14:51.10abrotmandon't
14:51.20rozieomeringen: install apt-cacher-ng if both computers are in the same LAN
14:51.25rozie(and use it)
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14:52.17rozieyou will download packages locally (if possible) and only from the internet if they are not avaliable locally
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15:00.16karlpincrozie: Won't that only help if he's doing 3 installs?  The first install won't be able to build the cache while installing, so the second will build the cache and the third will then be able to use the cached packages.
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15:01.12karlpinc(Hey!  Maybe the installer should have a cache-building option built-in!  :-/  )
15:01.21abrotmankarlpinc: he doesn't have to run the cacher on a new machine
15:01.44abrotmansecondly .. the first machine could be both the proxy and the client
15:02.03karlpincabrotman: Ah.  I didn't know he already had something installed.
15:02.29karlpincabrotman: Yes, but the the proxy will be empty for the second install, right?
15:02.39omeringenhow many CDs from the start should i download for a totally offline install ? first CD is not enough i guess.
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15:03.15omeringeni am gonna install just standart system and desktop enviroment. . .
15:03.33karlpincomeringen: The first cd is totally enough.  For that matter you can do basic install with just the netinstall without hitting the net.  It all depends on what you want to install.  To be sure, you must burn all 52 cds.
15:03.35LegalEagleomeringen: grab the dvd or better yet purchase it from osdisc
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15:04.12omeringenok thanks for your patience and answers
15:04.14omeringen(:
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15:04.57abrotmankarlpinc: no, it'd be full .. 1) do the first basic install 2) install/configure approx/etc immediately 3) configure first install for approx 4) install/cache packages 5) install second machine, point at first, use approx
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15:05.16abrotmanomeringen: doing an offline install of testing is insanity
15:05.18karlpincabrotman: *doh*
15:05.33abrotmanomeringen: you'd be missing the entire point of 'testing' ..
15:05.43karlpincabrotman: I guess I'm not thinking today.
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15:06.42abrotmanokay .. not insanity .. kind of pointless :)
15:07.07omeringeni am insane bTw
15:07.10omeringen-.-
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15:08.55abrotmanuhhuh
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15:13.53eugenmayeris there an easy way to change the debian mysql password ( maintainace ) just to something random different? Our servers get clone…though the password should hange
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15:14.52eugenmayermaybe dpkg-reconfigure?
15:15.28abrotmana mysql script ?
15:15.35Joelitohi all, I need some tips about looking some programs: I need a tool to make tempature, weights, heights, etc., conversions....any ideas?
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15:16.18abrotmanJoelito: a spreadsheet?
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15:16.41abrotmanJoelito: is it supposed to read the data automatically from these devices?
15:16.55abrotmanfor like a hospital ?
15:17.22Joelitoabrotman, oh,  I mean...like math tool, for example input 32°F = 0°C
15:17.24Joelito:)
15:17.33abrotmanoh .. you want conversions ?
15:17.40abrotmanlike convert cm to inches?
15:17.43Joelitoyup yup :)
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15:18.30abrotmanjudd: info units --release squeeze
15:18.31juddPackage units (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: converts between different systems of units. Version: 1.87-2; Size: 142.3k; Installed: 468k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/units
15:18.39abrotmanlike that?
15:19.29abrotmanJoelito: ?
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15:19.49Joelitooh...yes :)
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15:20.42omeringenanother happy user smiling
15:20.42eugenmayerabrotman: i tried to purge mysql-server and then install it
15:20.47Joelitothis one too: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/convertall
15:20.55eugenmayerbut that prurge seem not to remove the /etc/mysql/ configuration...
15:21.28abrotmaneugenmayer: you'd want mysql-server-5.1
15:21.52en1gmaim running debian 6 stable i386 desktop....i had to 'git clone url.git' and it dloaded a whole other kernel with modified driver to get my wifi usb adapter working...i think im running 2.6.33...now that i compiled the kernel and modules can i take that 2.6.33 usb module and make it work with my default 2.6.32-5 debian 6 kernel?
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15:22.47abrotmanen1gma: there's a .39 in backports.debian.org ?
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15:23.54en1gmaabrotman this is a special modified module that was built with 2.6.33 kernel from that git clone...now that i built it and i know it works i want to migrate it to the default 2.6.32-5 debian 6 stable...that backport will let me do that?
15:24.10eugenmayerabrotman: also that would not remove the configuration :/
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15:24.20Joelitoabrotman, last one...do you know a tool to graph quadratic equations? I currently use OOorg's calc
15:24.25abrotmanen1gma: i'm suggesting that you may not need to do anything special with the .39
15:24.39abrotmanJoelito: there are a pile of graphing libraries
15:25.18en1gmaabrotman i dont think im understanding...what is .39 in backports? is it a kernel or a module
15:25.22abrotmaneugenmayer: there's also mysql-common .. not sure which config you're trying to change
15:25.26abrotmanen1gma: whole kernel
15:25.31abrotmanjudd: kernels
15:25.32juddAvailable kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27)
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15:25.43en1gmahmm 2.6.39 ?
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15:26.02en1gmaO_o
15:26.06abrotmaneugenmayer: dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server-5.1  maybe?
15:26.34abrotmanJoelito: a vaguely recall a list related to debian and science .. they may know more
15:26.50eugenmayerafter removing the mysql-server pagacke and install mysql-server-5.1 the server seem to be not able to start anymore..
15:27.02Joelitook, I'll see the packages in math and science
15:27.07eugenmayer"invoke script start failed"
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15:27.58en1gmaabrotman what i just did a minute ago...at grub bootloader instead of picking to 2.6.33-wl (which has the working module)i selected 2.6.32-5 and copied /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.33/kernel/driver/net/wireless/rt2x00 /lib/modules/kernel-2.6.32/kerenl/driver/net/wireless/rt2x00
15:28.23en1gmawith that 2.6.39 would that work...right now i getting errors when i try to 'sudo modprobe rt2800usb'
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15:28.32abrotmanJoelito: wiki.debian.org/DebianScience
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15:33.23[X]HalidithI have a big problem with my traffic from port 80, someone comes with a new ip every time i ban him with iptables. I can stop the tx but not the rx
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15:34.00blaahow can I upgrade stable to testing?
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15:34.54Joelitoblaa, change in your sources.list from stable to testing
15:35.09Joelitoor squeeze -> wheezy
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15:35.37abrotmanblaa: you sohuld really go to 'wheezy', not 'testing'
15:35.56blaaabrotman, why?
15:36.06abrotmanbecause .. wheezy will release, testing won't
15:36.10cookiemon5terif i wanted to try debian testing do i need to get a testing image or can i just change to wheezy in source.list
15:36.23abrotman!tell cookiemon5ter about squeeze->wheezy
15:36.48blaaabrotman, but I will keep using testing forever... I don't want to use stable, the software is too old
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15:36.56cookiemon5terthanks
15:36.58blaaI'm using it for desktop
15:38.30abrotmanblaa: you'll likely regret that some day
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15:38.44blaaabrotman, ok thanks
15:38.50blaathen I just need a apt-get update
15:38.54blaaand apt-get dist-upgrade?
15:39.06abrotmanyou should know how
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15:41.01[X]HalidithHow can i ban traffic which goes higher than a certain value, in rx and tx?
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15:42.32en1gmaabrotman if i do the backport to .39 do i just copy the module i need from .33 to .39 and it will possible work or do i need to export the module as a deb package so it can be installed some how
15:42.50abrotmanen1gma: why can't you use the module already in .39 ?
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15:42.58abrotmanwhy can't you just use the .39 kenrel ?
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15:43.08en1gmaahh its a modified driver...very special (heavily edited)
15:43.40abrotmanfor what?
15:43.59en1gmafor a linksys usb wifi adapter rt3572 chipset
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15:44.18en1gmai have already ran tons of kernels and distros
15:44.34en1gmathe 3572STA driver works but not for hostapd
15:44.36abrotman!rt3572
15:44.36dpkgRalink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31.  Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>.  http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
15:44.47abrotmanseems like it's already there
15:44.55en1gmaomfg please dont tell me that
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15:45.47thinguys, I can not set no password in sudoers file
15:45.52masterkorphello, is postfix compiled with postgres support ?
15:45.56abrotmanen1gma: why not?
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15:46.28abrotmanmasterkorp: there is a postfix-pgsql package
15:46.30en1gmafor a solid week it took me getting this working (monitor mode and packet injection)...so i not sure that will work with hostapd
15:46.36en1gmai need to read...gimmie a min
15:46.39en1gma:)
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15:48.27masterkorpabrotman: thank you
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15:51.25AziroshinHello.
15:53.16AziroshinLet's look at the following scenario: You have a Linux based phone with which you'd like to use SIP services whenever you're connected to the internet in some way other than UMTS (say WLAN) and use your normal teleophony plan whenever you aren't.
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15:54.04AziroshinIs there a software that can do this? Or would it be required to use a classical phoning software along with a softphone (like linphone)?
15:54.19AziroshinThe main point why I am even asking this is a centralised contact database.
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15:56.21abrotmanAziroshin: i'd say your first stop is to find the SIP software for you rphone .. there'sa  java sip client IIRC
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15:57.19AziroshinWell, linphone would be a candidate.
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15:57.34AziroshinHowever, I do not know of it supporting classical phoning.
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16:06.01abrotmanAziroshin: i think it does for money .. not sure
16:06.06abrotmanguess that kinda defeats teh purpose
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16:06.57abrotmanmaybe that's another project
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16:11.50cwickert1hi, does anyone know the proper URL for squeeze amd 64 in virt-install? I tried http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/ and virt-install downloads MANIFEST, initrd and a kernel, however it doesn't booz
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16:12.20abrotmancwickert: tried that where?
16:12.47cwickertabrotman: on the virt-install command line as -l parameter
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16:18.36cwickertabrotman: alright, the URL was correct
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16:19.41ershadMay I know how to configure in simple-cdd to use a specific % of HDD space for /home partition? {I'm trying to automate the installation procedure}
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16:21.55roziekarlpinc: I thought installing base, setting up cache, installing rest of the system (already caching), then installing second system (base would be cached then indeed, but the rest woudl be taken from cache)
16:22.57rozieand talking about installer and cache - installer could use apt-p2p (would require some work on this project, it's pretty dead right now)
16:23.22erawfish_rozie: what for? p2p I mean
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16:24.16rozietaking load from the mirrors, decentralisation
16:24.25rozieand it still has fallback to http
16:24.32roziebrb
16:24.40erawfish_I haven't noticed any problems with debian bandwith. ymmv
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16:36.03rozieerawfish_: depends on mirror, depends on time. I know that near Ubuntu release congestion are pretty common.
16:36.19rozie(yes, I know, Debian is not Ubuntu)
16:36.33rozieanyway, I like the idea
16:36.39erawfish_I don't care about ubuntu servers, but debian servers
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16:38.09georgehowdy
16:39.18georgehow do I mount a partition with rwxr-xr-w permissions throught fstab? i'm confused
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16:41.29erawfish_george: make your mountpoint that permission
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16:41.47erawfish_george: what filesystem type is your partition?
16:42.19georgeerry, / is ext4 and the partition is also ext4
16:42.26georgeerawfish_, / is ext4 and the partition is also ext4
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16:42.48georgei tried mounting it with defaults
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16:43.29erawfish_george: ls -ld <mountpoint>
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16:44.46georgeerawfish_, drwx------
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16:45.19georgeerawfish_, should I worry about the mountpoint directory's permissions before the partition is mounted?
16:45.30erawfish_and that's your problem. change it to your wanted settings, before you mount
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16:46.00georgeerawfish_, ok, gonna give it a try, waiting for a backup routine that's running
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16:51.51georgeerawfish_, what happens when the mountpoint directory is owned by root:root and the partition-to-be-mounted is owned by otheruser:othergroup?
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16:52.12erawfish_george: partitions aren't owned by anyone
16:52.40erawfish_the "root directory" of your mounted filesystem will have the permissions and owner of the mountpoint
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16:53.47snikkerhi, someone can help me with bash localization?
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16:54.10georgeerawfish_, thanks
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17:10.45georgemy boss is migrating our only server from win2003 to linux, and he's kinda confused about the whole owner:group rwx permission scheme
17:11.08abrotman!acl
17:11.08dpkgacl is probably Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/
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17:11.16abrotmangeorge: what doesn't he understand
17:11.18abrotman?
17:11.18georgeis there another way for him to deal with this that is similar to windows permissions? like many groups can read a directory
17:11.24AR-BradHi, guys. Quick question?
17:11.30abrotmangeorge: see above .. you can use ACLs
17:11.41georgeabrotman, the whole thing. oh, thanks.
17:11.46abrotmanalso have him read some of
17:11.47abrotman!permissions
17:11.47dpkgFor information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html .  For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within.  See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
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17:12.23AR-BradWhat is the command to download drivers online while you're in a shell?
17:13.09erawfish_depends how you want to download them. apt-get or wget usually
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17:13.56AR-BradSo for the ATI Rage drive, I would do apt-get r128 while connected to the internet through Ethernet?
17:14.10AR-Braddriver*
17:14.19erawfish_no. debian already comes with support for this card. nothing needed
17:14.31AR-BradThats where my problem is
17:14.40erawfish_!tell AR-Brad about fundamentals
17:15.06AR-BradSomething went wrong in the net install. There are no display drivers
17:15.17erawfish_AR-Brad: the way you wrote about apt-get means you have not clue whatsoever about how to admin a debian system. I strongly suggest you read how to do it
17:15.47erawfish_AR-Brad: put the output of lspci -nn and the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin please
17:16.25AR-BradWhat's a paste bin?
17:16.33erawfish_!paste
17:16.34dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>.
17:16.42AR-BradAnd this thing can't really connect to the internet..
17:17.07AR-BradKk, one sec
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17:19.46AR-Braderawfish: does the debian computer need to be connected to the internet to put a paste thing up?
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17:20.27erawfish_not necessarily. you can redirect the output of the command to a file and copy it over via usb stick for example
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17:21.01erawfish_AR-Brad: dpkg -l xorg-server | wc -l    and lspci -nn |grep VGA
17:21.09erawfish_please tell us what the output of these two commands is
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17:21.37AR-BradOne moment, let me scroll through
17:22.10erawfish_there is nothing to scroll if you did what I told you
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17:22.33AR-BradThe xorg log file, right?
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17:23.07erawfish_that one is big, yes. but the two commands above both have a small output
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17:23.22AR-BradI typed dpkg -l and its auto scroll list
17:23.46AR-BradOk, it stopped
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17:24.31erawfish_I didn't tell you to do "dpkg -l". read more carefully
17:24.50AR-BradThat entire code?
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17:27.56AR-BradOk, I typed it... What do I need to put up here?
17:28.24erawfish_the output of both
17:28.24abrotmanis the xorg package installed ?
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17:28.42erawfish_abrotman: dpkg -l xorg-server |wc -l tells us
17:28.48AR-BradXorg says it's not installed.
17:28.52abrotmanAR-Brad: are you the guy with the super old mac ?
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17:29.04abrotmanthe g3 or whatever
17:29.07abrotmanimacg3
17:29.11AR-BradYes
17:29.28AR-Bradibook G3 clamshell
17:29.31abrotmanstill not working ?
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17:29.45AR-BradNope
17:29.47erawfish_well, wenn xorg isn't installed it's kinda hard for the GUI to work, right?
17:30.01AR-BradAnd now I can't get official Mac OS to boot
17:31.51AR-BradNo packages found matching xorg server
17:32.02AR-Bradxorg-server*
17:33.08erawfish_with what install medium did you install debian?
17:33.21AR-BradNet install
17:33.33AR-BradVia CD
17:33.38erawfish_do it again and use a CD1 instead
17:33.52erawfish_or fix your ethernet so you can get online. either one of those
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17:34.00AR-BradCD1?
17:34.15boudiccascompact disk one
17:34.16AR-BradAnd my ethernet did let me online
17:34.17erawfish_yes. the place where you downloaded your netinst, there is also a CD1. use that
17:34.28erawfish_AR-Brad: is your debian currently online, yes or no?
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17:34.39AR-BradI just can't get online right now because my router is in use
17:34.45AR-Bradno
17:35.00AR-BradI can get it online if I plug in my ethernet later
17:35.06erawfish_what's in your sources.list right now?
17:35.18AR-Bradshrugs
17:35.25erawfish_shrugs too
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17:35.38erawfish_if you don't want help, I have better things to do. good day
17:35.50AR-BradNo, I want help
17:36.01erawfish_you don't act like someone who does
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17:36.13erawfish_and be warned: people here don't like to spoonfeed either
17:36.16AR-BradI just don't know what a sorces.list is
17:36.28erawfish_the file /etc/apt/sources.list
17:36.41boudiccasAR-Brad; sources, dickhead
17:36.45AR-BradWait, how do I act like I don't want help?
17:37.09abrotmanby shruging instead of asking "what's a sources.list,how do i look"
17:37.13abrotmanshrugging
17:37.24AR-Bradoh
17:37.27AR-Bradsorry
17:37.30erawfish_19:35  * AR-Brad shrugs   is not a reaction of someone who does. and you do act like you want to be spoonfed. ideally, we should fix your problem for you with you just sitting idly and watching
17:38.01AR-BradI want help, and I appreciate everyone who tries to help.
17:38.17abrotmanAR-Brad: are you using squeeze? something else?
17:38.33AR-Bradsqueeze
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17:40.21abrotmanAR-Brad: so you're stuck in CLI mode on the mac, but internet works ?
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17:40.52AR-BradYes and no. I can only get online to install stuff
17:41.05AR-BradI can't browse the web
17:41.41abrotmanif you can install packages you can browse the ewb
17:41.42abrotmanweb
17:41.55abrotmanAR-Brad: but you don't have a free spot on the switch to plug it in ?
17:41.57AR-BradI can?
17:42.09AR-Bradswitch? What's that?
17:42.13erawfish_apt-get install irssi   then run irssi and enter "/connect irc.freenode.net" and then "join debian" and you are here and can install and download and whatever while we help you doing it if there are problems
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17:42.43abrotmanAR-Brad: if you can irc from the actual machine .. it's way easier for us
17:42.47erawfish_<PROTECTED>
17:42.58henchman24screen first
17:43.02henchman24;)
17:43.11AR-Braderawfish : Thank you. I'll join later once my parents stop using the modem.
17:43.18erawfish_henchman24: not in this case
17:43.23erawfish_AR-Brad: you are currently use the modem
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17:43.51AR-Braderawfish; no, this desktop is connected through Wi-Fi
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17:44.15erawfish_does your desktop have an ethernet port too?
17:44.37AR-BradNo, it's too old
17:44.37erawfish_then you could even use NAT or ICS to bring debian online as well
17:44.43AR-BradI have dial-up
17:44.49erawfish_your desktop was wlan but no ethernet?
17:45.07AR-BradI use a USB Wifi card
17:45.20abrotmanit has USB but no ethernet ?
17:45.29AR-Brad1998
17:45.35AR-BradUSB 1.1
17:45.38abrotmancomputers had ethernet in 1998
17:45.47abrotmanoh .. is it a packard bell ?
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17:46.16AR-BradMy parent's old PC from 98 has one, but they had it put in in a sperate PCi card
17:46.30abrotmanAR-Brad: so can you get network from the mac or not ?
17:46.30AR-BradPackard Bell?
17:46.47AR-BradIn a few hours
17:47.09boudiccasAR-Brad; you're 'high maintenance' and just time wasting
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17:47.31abrotmanwhy in a few hours?
17:47.40abrotmandidn't those clamshell macs have wifi in them?
17:47.46AR-BradI know, boudiccas, I feel like a burden. But I just really need help
17:47.51AR-BradNo
17:48.05AR-BradYou needed a sperate Airport card installed
17:48.26erawfish_AR-Brad: then come back when you can actually act on the help you get. either download CD1 now or come back in a few hours when you can actually get online with your Mac
17:48.35AR-BradAnd my parents won't let me use the router until they;re done
17:48.51AR-Braderawfish_: ok..
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17:48.55ompaulAR-Brad: so you have a couple of hours, time to read wiki.debian.org and become more versed in the ways of the world
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17:49.15AR-BradThere is a debian wiki?
17:49.18erawfish_AR-Brad: yes.read the "fundamentals" factoid URLs dpkg gave you before. it's very enlightening
17:49.28AR-BradAlright.
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17:49.56AR-BradThanks for helping so far, guys. Sorry for being a burden. Bye
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17:50.50abrotmanright .. but i'm asocial ...
17:50.52Saleemhi , do we have debian isos on the mirrors also or only at http://cdimage.debian.org  ?
17:51.00abrotmanSaleem: some mirrors have them
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17:51.26ompaulheanet.ie has them
17:51.35Saleemabrotman, can you name one such mirror please?
17:51.39Saleemheanet
17:51.46Saleemi will check
17:52.04abrotmanSaleem: where are you near?
17:52.46Saleemabrotman, http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/ is near and always faster for me
17:52.54abrotmanare you in russia?
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17:53.08ompaulftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ abrotman for ftp that place is rather well connected to the planet
17:53.19Saleemno in Pakistan but this server is always faster for me and heanet also
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17:53.45abrotmanSaleem: mirror.yandex.ru/debian-cd/ ?
17:53.55Saleemyes
17:54.12abrotmanthere are isos there?
17:54.33Saleemi did not see
17:54.40Saleembut heanet have
17:55.02abrotmanyandex has the ISOs
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17:55.51Saleemhttp://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-cd/
17:55.57Saleemyes found them
17:56.00Saleemthanks
17:56.01abrotmangood
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17:58.04tetrebShould I carefully pick a serial connection card for Debian because of drivers? Anyone knows if MosChip MCS9820 devices are supported?
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17:59.07jhutchins_lttetreb: How many ports do you need
17:59.10jhutchins_lt?
17:59.32tetrebjhutchins Hi, one, maybe two.
17:59.47jhutchins_ltStandard 8250 cards should work fine.
17:59.59tetrebjhutchins: Thanks a lot!
18:00.34jhutchins_lttetreb: There is a serial howto at http://tldp.org
18:00.48Bushmills16550 preferred, because of on chip fifo
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18:02.00tetrebThank you, I'll look for them. The documentation project is interesting
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18:03.17oscar8407hola a todos
18:03.26oscar8407oigan tengo un problema, tengo un disco duro externo usb de 1TB en el cual tengo 2 particiones una fat32 y una particion en formato wbfs para una consola de videojuegos, el problema esta en que si conecto dicho disco en debian si me reconoce el disco y puedo accesar a la particion fat32 y ver los ficheros que tengo ahi y trabajar con ellos pero si lo conecto en windows solo me reconoce el disco como medio de almacenamiento masivo usb pero no le asigna letra
18:03.55boudiccasoscar8407; speak english or dont bother speaking at all
18:05.10boudiccas!es
18:05.11dpkgEste canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian.  Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:05.33abrotmanboudiccas: uhm .. be a bit nicer about it
18:05.44oscar8407boudiccas: sorry i didn't know that there was a channel for spanish too
18:05.53abrotmanhe may not know that this channel is for english speakers
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18:06.09oscar8407and yes you could be a little bit nicer about it man
18:06.50boudiccasoscar8407; ignorant so and so! I'm not a 'man', i'm female and to be called a man is an insult
18:06.51oscar8407abrotman: thanks for undertanding man
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18:07.17abrotmanoscar8407: so either try again in english, or try #debian-es
18:07.21abrotman(might be on OFTC)
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18:07.58oscar8407boudiccas: never the less i may be ignorant but at least i have manners
18:08.13Sylnaianyone know how to resign a debian CD repo after adding packages to it?
18:08.18abrotmanwell,the larger #debian-es is here on freenode, but there is another on irc.oftc.net
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18:10.11oscar8407well thanks anyways i'll be going to #debian-es, abrotman thanks for the support
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18:10.29abrotmanenjoy!
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18:43.53rgrfinally. wifi tethering to both my iphone and android working using manual interfaces and wpa_supplicant. A joyful day.
18:44.24abrotmanyou have an empty life :)
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18:49.31schreberis there a certain way you can install the restricted drivers (mp3, xvid, etc.) in deb 6?
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18:50.57abrotmanschreber: you don't need one for mp3 .. and xvid can probably be played in vlc
18:51.21schreberwhat about packages like imagemagick?
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18:51.54nkuttlerschreber: what about it?
18:52.08DanicHey guys! Is there a package that allows me to send something via udp to an ip/port and receive the answer?
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18:52.48jelly-mobileschreber, Imagemagick is free software
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18:53.53tremoDanic: netcat should be your friend.
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18:54.27Danictremo, i check that
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18:55.03Sean-Derhttp://pastebin.com/Yfp8N8B9
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18:55.16Sean-DerIs this the correct usage of mpm-itk and Directory's
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18:57.24Duditzthere are anything to do for boot a "deboostrap" installed debian in a new LVM2 partition? (e.g. kernel parameters)
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19:00.48marsfligthhow to see file size on mouse over? in more, how to rename a file by clicking it with mouse instead to use the context menu? Thanx
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19:02.07somiajmarsfligth: what file manager are you using. Look up their documentation.
19:02.07erawfish_Duditz: you need to install a bootloader
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19:02.46Duditzit's already installed (grub), anything else?
19:02.47somiajmarsfligth: default in gnome is nautilus
19:03.04erawfish_Duditz: check your grub.cfg if it's alright then
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19:03.26Duditzok, I add the entry for the new system
19:03.56Duditzthe kernel line: "kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/mapper/vg_srvnovo-lv_rescue_root"
19:04.07Duditzit's correct?
19:04.27somiajbe careful, modifying grub.cfg directly will not be permenant (that file is automatically generated), check /etc/grub.d and /etc/defaults/grub
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19:05.19erawfish_Duditz: only you know what your preferred root= device is
19:05.28Duditzthe system is an "deboostraped" debian from a fedora
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19:05.36Duditzand now is a new deboostraped from debian
19:05.48Duditzbut this last in a LVM2 partition
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19:07.33marsfligthsomiaj: I use Nautilus, but when I am on a file I don't get any information. To get information I have to select it right click/context menu and then click with left click on 'proprieties'. To is too uncomfortable
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19:08.26somiajmarsfligth: I'm just saying, Nautilus is where you will have to look, check its options, or ask google. You may get a better answer from a gnome chanel.
19:08.33medsouzI cannot figure out how to setup audio drivers
19:08.36medsouzcan someone help?
19:08.40somiaj!alsa-checklist
19:08.41dpkg1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again)  2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available)  3) arts or esound stopped?  4) speakers on?  5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.  See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
19:08.49medsouzAudio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
19:09.16medsouzHow do I add myself to the audio group?
19:09.18marsfligthsomiaj: Thank you for help me
19:09.25pizza_bizi don't suppose anyone's ever produced an updated version of this for squeeze?  http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-raid1-on-a-running-lvm-system-debian-etch -- this seems to mostly work, until i get to the steps to modify grub (i have no menu.lst, page 2).
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19:09.40Duditzthere are any configuration for the kernel to "load" the LVM2 driver for boot in a LVM2 root?
19:10.11valdynDuditz: no
19:10.15Duditzor LVM2 driver is "embedded" in the default kernel in debian?
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19:10.26valdynDuditz: its in the initrd
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19:10.52Duditzthe default initrd installed via deboostrap have this configuration?
19:11.26valdynDuditz: debootstrap even install a kernel?
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19:11.45valdynDuditz: initrds are not "installed", they are generated
19:11.54Duditzno, I install via apt
19:12.14Duditzthe linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
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19:12.22valdynDuditz: then you saw the initrd generation output when installing this
19:12.44Duditzbut I do this a day ago
19:12.59Duditzhow to verify if LVM2 is configured?
19:13.17valdynDuditz: it is configured
19:13.32valdynDuditz: whats your actual error message?
19:13.32blaHello.
19:13.40DuditzLVM2 is configure/ativated by default?
19:14.12valdynDuditz: i dont think the lvm2 package is installed by default
19:14.18blaHow can I stop Debian from running checkfs.sh on startup? Nothing rational seems to help (renamed everything involved from SXX* to KXX*)
19:14.20Duditznone error message ... but I am now in a server remote via SSH
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19:14.28Duditzafter reboot, grub boot the new system
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19:14.52DuditzIt's a way to verify this before boot?
19:14.57valdynDuditz: youre asking alot of questions that are easily verifyable by anyone who should do this
19:15.02medsouzOkay I did everything in alsa-checklist but still no sound..
19:15.11valdynDuditz: get someone with an idea how this works to help you
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19:15.43Duditztks
19:16.02valdynDuditz: theres no way to verify that your system will boot properly
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19:16.24valdynDuditz: theres a dozen places to inspect to verify everything is setup correctly
19:16.35Duditzok ... but there a way to verify if an INITRD have a LVM2???
19:16.48valdynDuditz: unpack it
19:16.55DuditzI need to know only LVM2
19:17.08Duditzits gziped?
19:17.11Duditzgreat idea!
19:17.19valdynDuditz: use "file" to see what it is
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19:17.35Duditzok, thanks!
19:17.50blabzipped cpio or something similar most probably.
19:18.04valdynbla: no, not bzipped
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19:18.28medsouzHow the hell do I get sound to work...
19:18.51erawfish_you start by describing the problem properly medsouz
19:19.06medsouzI haven't done anything yet
19:19.25medsouzI did the !alsa-checklist thing
19:19.26erawfish_then do something and come back when you have
19:19.34medsouzbut aplay doesn't do anything
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19:19.53valdynmedsouz: thats good
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19:19.58valdynmedsouz: so its working
19:20.10TheKernel[work]hi, how do I make my ipv6 address stick after a reboot?
19:20.11medsouzThere is no audio still
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19:20.26valdyn"WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/warning.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian..."
19:20.36valdynmedsouz: you sure its not "doing" something like ^^ ?
19:20.49medsouzPlaying WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
19:20.56medsouzI mean there is no noise playing
19:21.01valdynmedsouz: so its doing something
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19:21.12medsouzOkay
19:21.14valdynmedsouz: turn up volume and/or plug in speakers
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19:21.26medsouzThe volume is as loud as it goes
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19:21.50medsouzDo I need to install sound drivers or is ALSA the drivers?
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19:22.17valdynmedsouz: alsa is the drivers
19:22.27medsouzOkay
19:22.31valdynmedsouz: aplay would give you an error if it could not play back sound
19:22.39erawfish_medsouz: cat /proc/asound/cards
19:22.55medsouz<PROTECTED>
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19:23.38blamedsouz, volume being loud is one thing; make sure it's not muted (by default can be). Also not only PCM but the master, front etc. Unmute everything
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19:24.33medsouzbla: I unmuted everything in gnome's sound thing
19:24.43erawfish_use alsamixer
19:25.03medsouzHow do I use it?
19:25.09erawfish_you run it
19:25.11blaYep, try alsamixer to make sure. There should be 'OO' low, and not 'MM'
19:25.17bla'm' mutes/unmutes, arrows steer.
19:25.29medsouzIt has 00
19:25.39blaIn my computer after suspending computer I also have to mute/unmute all channels to get sound.
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19:27.10resixianwhen i do 'aptitude show linux-image-2.6.32-5' i get a line 'Version: 2.6.32-38' , why does the build number not match?
19:27.35medsouzhttp://imgur.com/XN3a7
19:27.46medsouzThats what alsamixer has
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19:27.48medsouzStill no noise
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19:28.06erawfish_,versions  linux-image-2.6.32-5
19:28.06juddNo package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-5' was found in i386.
19:28.06resixianuhm, can alsamixer control pulseaudio devices?
19:28.16erawfish_resixian: try again
19:28.31medsouzOh it works with headphones on
19:28.31resixianjudd: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
19:28.35medsouzMy built in speakers aren't working
19:29.01erawfish_resixian: judd is a bot and showed you why your original question is bogus. please try again
19:29.55somiajmedsouz: the intel hda driver is generic. Look up the correct model=foo option you should add, "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" is what I had to add to get the laptop features to work better in mine
19:30.15somiajmedsouz: also make sure you don't have a hardware mute button on the side of your laptop (or volume control) for he built in speakers
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19:30.52resixianerawfish_: well, i kind of did. but here is the whole output from 'aptitude show linux-image-2.6.32-5-686'
19:30.55resixianhttp://pastebin.com/baGZdthZ
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19:31.17medsouzsomiaj: where should I add that
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19:32.59erawfish_resixian: one is a version the other is a package name
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19:33.30resixianah, i thought the -5 and -38 were both build numbers or sth. what is the difference?
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19:34.32valdynresixian: its the 5th feature-different version of a debian kernel based on 2.6.32
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19:35.24resixianand the -38?
19:35.41valdynresixian: thats really a version number
19:36.11valdynresixian: kernels with different features do make *different* packages, not a different version of the same package
19:36.58resixianso linux-image-2.6.32-5 have been rev'd 38 times?
19:37.06valdynresixian: yea
19:37.15Dev0nhey, is it possible to have an encrypted dir that is able to grow, instead of encrypting the whole drive it's mounted on ?
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19:37.36valdynresixian: in some way anyway, no one sais that all of those versions had to be released
19:37.53svenxDev0n: like ecryptfs?
19:38.04resixianright, some were probably tested, broke, rebuilt and retested. internal releases makes sense
19:38.12Dev0nyea, but is that able to grown on it's own without me having to resiz ?
19:38.15resixianty valdyn
19:38.30valdynresixian: technically that 2.6.32 in the version number is somewhat redundant
19:38.43resixianindeed
19:38.53valdynresixian: because its the same in all of those 38 iterations
19:38.53Dev0nsay I have /home/ and I want to enc /home/foo/, and I want to allow /home/foo/ to use as much space as avail on the /home mount
19:39.00Dev0ndoes ecryptfs alloiw me to do that ?
19:39.10resixianbut to me it would be more intuitive to s/Version/Build/
19:39.32valdynresixian: its a package version, theres no Build field
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19:40.44resixianthats kind of my point. there are (at least) 3 distinct version fields in that data set,maybe changing one to <some other term> would be less confusing, but meh
19:40.59valdynresixian: kernels do not maintain their abi, ever, thats why theres so many different package names ( -1...-5 )
19:41.16resixiani was just trying to make sure i was updated properly.
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19:42.31resixianits basically just a foreign system to me, and thank you for explaining it
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19:43.05valdynresixian: the package management is for "software", which is mainly programs and libraries. The kernel just happens to not fit into that mold to well
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19:44.24resixianso i'm trying to figure out why my kernel is 'stuck' at 2.6.32-5, I was looking here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50716&p=292245&hilit=+cdrom and saw someone reference 2.6.32-9, 11 etc..
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19:44.45valdynresixian: thats probable not debian
19:44.57valdynresixian: debians 2.6.32 kernel doesnt go higher than -5
19:45.05resixianuhm, its about a device missing in squeeze
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19:45.42valdynresixian: i dont know what that has to do with anything
19:45.47resixianon the debian forums, but I think the point is they were talking about 'Version: 2.6.32-X' and I was thinking about what aptitude shows wehn searching
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19:45.57valdynresixian: probably
19:46.19resixianand thats why i was confused (also why its relevant)
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19:48.19sque1Hi, I am trying to do a fresh install wheezy on a system with UEFI. I will have 3 disks raid5 (mdadm) and I am asking which is the best approach. I already tried to format with GPT but bootloader installer crashes with error "error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install". Is there any new approach that maybe takes advantage of UEFI too and gives ability to install /boot inside the raid too?
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19:48.53valdynsque1: make your first partition start later
19:49.05valdynsque1: i.e. after 32kb
19:49.34sque1valdyn: and grub will write stage2 at free space?
19:49.41valdynsque1: fdisk gets that wrong by default at least sometimes
19:49.49valdynsque1: we are talking about grub2, not grub
19:49.53resixianincidentally, my cd drive has gone missing since squeeze. this is not a giant issue but i have not been able to get it to show up. dmesg here:
19:49.55resixianCan you review the two PSBC documents and add anything else you feel has not been captured?
19:50.09sque1valdyn: yes yes always grub2
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19:50.43valdynsque1: grub needs to store its drivers somewhere
19:51.02valdynsque1: to cover lvm + mdraid + filesystem it needs about 32kb
19:51.13resixiangrr.. dmesg here: http://pastebin.com/AejN9R3y, and ls -l /dev: http://pastebin.com/k3v3b413
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19:51.43valdynsque1: or my core.img is right now 34468 byte - thats what gets embedded
19:51.54sque1valdyn: I have a small RAID 1 with /boot and a huge RAID5 with dm-crypt+lvm
19:52.13valdynsque1: only that raid1 is relevant
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19:52.29valdynsque1: grub drivers are relevant until the kernel itself and the initrd are read
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19:53.12valdynsque1: wherever you are installing grub to using grub-install - make sure the first partition starts after those 32kb
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19:53.16sque1valdyn: you mean that drivers will be injected in image only if it was identified that it is need at build stage?
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19:53.29valdynsque1: correct
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19:54.08sque1valdyn: If I have to do this, wouldn't be nice to just put the boot bios partition at the begining?
19:54.10valdynsque1: count and add the sizes of your /boot/grub/*.mod files
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19:54.16valdynsque1: *all* would be a little large
19:54.37valdynsque1: at the beginning?
19:54.40sque1valdyn: I don't care about the size. I can handle 1gb loss
19:54.44Kattyohai
19:54.52Kattypeoples are TALKING!
19:54.57Kattyexciting.
19:55.18sque1valdyn: yes as I understood, if grub2 finds this boot bios paritition it will put everything in there
19:55.43valdynsque1: i dont know about that. Everything on my system is inside lvm on mdraid
19:56.00sque1valdyn: with gpt?
19:56.10valdynsque1: nope, bios
19:56.20valdynsque1: err
19:56.40valdynsque1: i dont need gpt
19:56.41sque1valdyn: I mean the partition table msdos or gpt not about EFI or BIOS.
19:56.58valdynsque1: yea, nothing here is gpt
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19:57.32sque1valdyn: ok probably your solution will not work "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_Boot_partition"
19:57.50valdynsque1: i dont know all the ways to provide embedding space for grub2 - having parititons start late is one, your bios boot partition could be another
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19:58.25sque1valdyn: That's my prob "On MBR disks, such boot loaders typically use the sectors immediately  following the MBR for this storage. On GPT disks, no equivalent space  exists, and the BIOS Boot partition is a way to officially allocate such  space for use by the boot loader. "
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19:59.39sque1valdyn: and I started the discussion if it was possible to install grub-efi directly (because I have uefi) so that it boots from official EFI boot partition rather than do UEFI->Bios emulations -> Bios boot partition -> grub-pc
19:59.40valdynsque1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2
20:00.24valdynsque1: i see
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20:01.41valdynsque1: I dont know anything about efi, but i see those packages:grub-efi-amd64 et. al.
20:02.02valdynsque1: appearantly youre using the bios grub
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20:02.39sque1valdyn: The d-i as far as I can search, it does not handle grub-efi at all. So on installation it is grub-pc that is searching for
20:03.33valdynsque1: I see
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20:15.01jhutchins_ltI think when I was doing the mini's we converted the efi partition to mbr.
20:15.14jhutchins_ltIt's why we couldn't get dual-boot to work.
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20:22.21lgp171188Hi, I had a shell script that used 'sort +1' command and I found out that while it worked on Sarge where it was originally written, it failed in lenny. On digging into this, I kind of figured out that it was an issue due to new POSIX standards. Do Sarge and Lenny use different POSIX standards?
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20:22.48lenswipehey guys
20:23.01abrotmanlgp171188: POSIX may have changed in between
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20:23.09abrotmanlgp171188: what did that option do ?
20:23.23lenswipei have some screensavers installed and they seem to work in the preview but they dont actually appear on my computer when its idle
20:23.27lenswipei just get a black screen
20:23.38lenswipei think it may be to do with me having extended desktop
20:23.40lenswipebut i cant be sure
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20:23.56jhutchins_ltIsn't lenny's default shell dash, while Sarge's was bash?
20:24.28jhutchins_ltlgp171188: Does your script have a hashbang?
20:24.30abrotmanno, that's squeeze, and only new installs
20:24.39abrotmanotherwise, it gave you a choice
20:24.48jhutchins_ltHm.
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20:24.57lgp171188abrotman: Is there a way to find out which version of POSIX the distro is using? sort +1 will sort on the second key in the output. Now the recommended way to do it is sort -k 2 which will do the same.
20:25.01jhutchins_lthas only been with Debian since Etch.
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20:25.45abrotmanlgp171188: oh, AFAIK, -k has been there for ages, and is the correct way
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20:26.19jhutchins_ltThat format is more in keeping with posix command conventions.
20:26.33abrotmanruns aay
20:26.34abrotmanaway
20:26.57jhutchins_ltaay: command not found.
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20:28.11lgp171188abrotman: But is there a way to find out which POSIX version each debian release is compliant with?
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20:29.59kmilodpkg: nautilus
20:30.00dpkgNautilus is the official file manager for the <GNOME> desktop.  If the 'paper' icon is shown for all file types, install the gnome-icon-theme package to resolve.  FAQ: http://live.gnome.org/Nautilus/FAQ .  User Guide: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/nautilus.html .  http://live.gnome.org/Nautilus  #nautilus at irc.gnome.org.
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20:31.22lenswipecan someone point me in the way of some cool nerdy screensavers for Debian
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20:31.30Duditzhi ... my hard disk is partitioned with sda1 sda2 and sda4 ... (sda4 is LVM) its possible to "rename" (via fdisk or other) sda4 to sda3 without broken lvm in the next boot?
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20:36.03jhutchins_ltDuditz: What are you really trying to do?
20:36.36Duditzreorder the partition table
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20:37.05Duditzmy partition table is defined: 1 2 and 4
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20:37.42Duditzbecause I has removed the partion 3 and extend the 2
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20:40.17maroki have a problem with my network-manager on debian wheezy
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20:46.31nookiehi people, i upgraded from etch->lenny->squeeze in my production machine and couple of things doesnt work anymore. my proftpd doesnt recognize any more accounts and on my email server i cant no longer send emails except withing machinet it self. I can send outside to Gmail but when i reply to my server i dont get the email.. Any suggestions where to begin =)
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20:47.12valdynnookie: you're funny
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20:47.28valdynnookie: look at each services configuration, alot changed..
20:47.29nookievaldyn: someone must be right ;)
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20:47.44nookievaldyn: good point
20:47.49RetenodusHi
20:47.56nookiei thought it didnt overwrite the configuration
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20:48.24valdynnookie: the configurations are probably not compatible between those versions
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20:49.02nookievaldyn: ohh lol.. so an upgrade wasn't a smart idea then
20:49.17nookievaldyn: thannx for the info
20:49.28valdynnookie: its up to you to read the release notes and upgrade notes etc
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20:49.44nookievaldyn: also true =)
20:49.54boudiccasnookie; backup, reinstall with squeeze, and then restore - problem solved
20:50.09valdynboudiccas: nonsense
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20:50.55nookieboudiccas: good suggestion, but i should not reinstall my system because of that. I have couple of huge webpages running there
20:50.56nookiedowntime is not an option
20:51.05valdynboudiccas: and can you please refrain from giving malicous "advice"
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20:52.00rypervencheI am trying to set up a connection from my laptop, which uses a wireless connection, to another computer via an ethernet cable. I have read up on this a lot on the net and it seems a bridge will not work, but nat masquerading will. Unfortunately I have been unable to get it to work. Does anyone know of a good guide for doing that?
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20:52.39valdynrypervenche: why would you think bridge has anything to do with this?
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20:53.39RetenodusI would like to setup a Debian repository which would take packages from a DVD. I don't want to have all the repository on my system, only some packages which are on my DVD set will be supplied by my repository. How can I do this ? Reprepro doesn't seem to be fitted
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20:54.30rypervenchevaldyn: I read guides on connection sharing that said bridges would work, but apparently that's only eth to eth.
20:54.34erawfish_nookie: first thing is checking your MTA config of course
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20:54.51valdynrypervenche: but you didnt ask for connection sharing, you asked for connecting 2 computers via ethernet
20:55.08nookieerawfish_: what's MTA?
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20:55.41valdynrypervenche: mixing up layers like "bridge", which is a software thing, with "ethernet" which is a hardware thing doesnt help
20:55.43rypervenchevaldyn: Touche. I want to be able to use the Internet on my desktop, but I only have wireless access from where my CPU is, and no wireless adapters. I have used connection sharing with Network Manager, but I use Xfce on my laptop.
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20:56.44valdynrypervenche: why cant you use network-manager with xfce?
20:56.49erawfish_nookie: after this question you proved you need to hire a sysadmin to handle your server from now on. good luck
20:57.03rypervenchevaldyn: I use wicd.
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20:57.17erawfish_rypervenche: and that stops you from installing network manager?
20:57.20nookieerawfish_: i guess. thanks
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20:57.31resixiansince squeeze updat my cdrom has gone awol: dmesg here: http://pastebin.com/AejN9R3y, ls -l /dev: http://pastebin.com/k3v3b413, lspci: http://pastebin.com/daGC425x
20:57.40valdyn!connection sharing
20:57.44valdyn!ipmasq
20:57.45dpkgIf all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy.  Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ .  The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384.
20:57.49valdyn^^^
20:57.57rypervencheerawfish_: It was my understanding that they would conflict. Regardless I would like to learn this ....ahh thanks.
20:58.09valdynrypervenche: they do conflict
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20:58.54pizza_bizresixian: what type of drive? ATAPI? SATA? USB?
20:59.04resixianpizza_biz: atapi
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20:59.24valdynwow, now how does cdrom *type* drive matter, i wonder
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20:59.31erawfish_rypervenche: fyi ipmasq would still work today. iptables hasn't changed. can't be worse than all those home grown scripts
21:00.15erawfish_valdyn: newer boards (intel chipsets mainly) have a tendency to not find PATA anymore since the JMicron controller and Linux fight an eternal war
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21:00.43valdynerawfish_: ah, i was in the wrong conversation
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21:01.10rypervenchevaldyn: erawfish_: Ok thank you. I will try that once I get home.
21:01.49valdynerawfish_: i have such a board, cant reproduce problems
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21:02.21resixianthis is an old board and VIA chipset
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21:02.35erawfish_that's the beauty of it. tons of other people do :(. my P35 based mobo here doesn't either, but back when those came out, this channel was full of stories. mainly asus I think
21:02.56erawfish_resixian: install a lenny kernel and try it
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21:04.03resixianerawfish_: well it used to work with lenny, but i can't bring the box up&down a bunch right now. I was hoping there was some legacy module i was missing
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21:04.14valdynresixian: pata_via it is ?
21:04.51valdynresixian: i suppose you could use the old driver
21:05.19valdynresixian: i cant say when that one was removed though
21:06.21resixianvaldyn: that one is already loaded
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21:06.33valdynresixian: pata_via is the new driver, not the old one
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21:09.44valdynoh well, that driver is already removed in squeeze anyway
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21:10.46resixianhm. how could i pull in someting from lenny again? change apt/sources.list ?
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21:11.00valdynresixian: you cant use the kernel from lenny
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21:11.28resixiani thought somebody just suggested that
21:11.29erawfish_valdyn: why not?
21:11.42valdynerawfish_: udev changes
21:11.52erawfish_no. lenny kernel will work in squeeze
21:13.02resixianit looks like the image got left behind when i upgraded actually (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686)
21:13.21valdynresixian: its should still be installed
21:13.40resixianhm, maybe then i could do a quick reboot while nobody is looking :)
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21:15.47sylaranyone know if multiseat work well?
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21:26.34unkmarso, what is the debian way to detect monitors and proper settings?
21:27.32resixianprobably depends on graphics card, but isnt gnome the default DE on debian?
21:27.50unkmarcause the GUI method of: System, Preferences, Monitors, and detect button is useless.
21:28.03unkmarresixian: yes, using the default of gnome.
21:28.04xandit tends to just work for me c.c
21:28.06unkmargnome 3
21:28.09gusryfeldNot sure what you mean, but you could try running "X -configure" as root.
21:28.18resixianunkmar: graphics card?
21:28.35unkmarxand: well, I'm at 800x600, Monitor and card are capable of 1920x1200.
21:28.39resixiannvidia need sthere special tool, others usually can use xrandr
21:29.02unkmarresixian: nvidia, using noveau drivers.  I hate having to spell that French word.
21:29.30pipelinenouveau
21:29.37unkmarpipeline: yeah, that one.
21:29.39resixianlulz, idk about with noveau, does xrandr show anythign?
21:29.58unkmarxrandr stops at 800x600.
21:30.13resixianunkmar: is this for an external monitor or sth?
21:30.20unkmarWorked fine under VGA, and isn't as happy with the DVI connection.
21:30.32unkmarresixian: Desktop system.
21:30.47resixiansounds like a nouveau bug, but you can try to add a modeline
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21:31.05gusryfeldDoes that driver have a tool to generate a xorg.conf for you?
21:31.51resixiandoes debian still use xorg.conf?
21:32.18unkmarresixian: yes it can, which is likely what I will have to do. set the modeline.
21:32.34gusryfeldWhy wouldn't it, resixian?
21:32.40unkmarand currently the xorg.conf doesn't exist. :/
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21:32.55resixianlots of distros dont use xorg.conf anymore by default
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21:33.11gusryfeldThey work without it, but they usually don't ignore it if it's there.
21:33.21gn00bi have a gigabyte x58a-ud3r motherboard that has a realtek 8169 nic. when i try to install with a cd, it asks for firmware and i don't have a usb stick. if i get the dvd, will it still ask for the firmware?
21:33.22jhutchins_ltresixian: Rather the current version of xorg does not require it.
21:33.50jhutchins_ltresixian: It's not a matter of the distribution, but the fact that the distribution uses the current version of xorg.
21:33.58gusryfeldWell, if the automatically detected settings are wrong, you need to go manual.
21:33.58resixianffs
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21:34.27resixianimho xrandr (if it works) is better than xorg.conf
21:35.22gusryfeldThey're not really substitutes.
21:35.59unkmarresixian: xrandr acknowledges xorg.conf settings.
21:36.07jhutchins_ltgusryfeld: xrandr will store settings and apply them on the next session.
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21:38.17Riadhhi, i'm tring to put a 3TB HD in a server and I get the error : Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK
21:38.37RiadhIf I put it in another similar server, It works fine.
21:38.42Riadhany idea ?
21:39.05unkmar4Cso the easy answer is the cvt program.  sweet.
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21:43.22erawfish_!tell gn00b about firmware image
21:43.29Dev0nhey, if I create a ecryptfs dir, it will grow to w/e size of hd there is right ?
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21:45.59jhutchins_ltDev0n: dir?
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21:47.06benedettohi all
21:47.12benedettolist please^^
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21:47.39erawfish_benedetto: this is a channel for debian linux support only. do you have a debian problem?
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21:48.04erawfish_"list" makes you a very very hated person
21:48.23benedetto:( why
21:48.45en1gmaaim trying to do a make (running debian 6.0) and want to know if there is a command to make it use an earlier version of gcc...(that is all i want to know)
21:48.51benedettoi dont understand this program
21:48.59erawfish_cause it's a very stupid thing done by italians for bad reasons
21:49.18erawfish_export CC=path to different gcc  can work
21:49.25benedettoç_ç
21:49.35erawfish_if you install an earlier version of gcc of course
21:49.37en1gmaaerawfish_ thanks will check that out
21:49.40en1gmaaok cool
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21:49.54benedettowhy server italian
21:49.54erawfish_benedetto: so what is your debian problem?
21:50.28erawfish_benedetto: only italians do this stupid !list nonsense. no one else. which should tell you something. LAST time: do you have a debian related question?
21:51.13en1gmaaerawfish i have 4.5 and 4.4 installed if i want it to use 4.5 i do a 'export CC='
21:51.16en1gmaa:)
21:51.20Jasonnhi, I want to know if any of you can help me with configuring IPv6 on my OVH server
21:51.23en1gmaai mean 4.4
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21:51.44ompaulen1gmaa: export for the shell where you want that to be the value
21:51.55erawfish_benedetto: there is no list to appear! and sending people PMs unasked is another bad thing to do. please stop until you need help with a debian problem. this is not a social channel for random chat
21:52.08erawfish_!tell Jasonn about ask
21:52.11en1gmaayea export what path
21:52.18en1gmaais it in /usr/bin/ ?
21:52.20erawfish_en1gmaa: the one to your 4.4 gcc binary
21:52.27erawfish_dpkg -L  tells you where it is
21:52.27dpkgii   tells you where it is                 1.4-15           erawfish_'s private porn collection
21:52.35en1gmaaahh ok thanks
21:52.42JasonnI am unable to configure IPv6 on my server due to the OVH guides sucking. Can any of you help me with configuring this please.
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21:53.04Dev0njhutchins_lt, yea, like when you create an encrypted directory in your /home/
21:53.05erawfish_Jasonn: ask a sensible question. state your actual problem. if you need a howto: search on google
21:53.11Dev0nwas wondering if that will grown on it's own
21:53.20Dagger3Jasonn: s/guides//
21:53.33erawfish_Dev0n: what debian package did you install for ecryptfs?
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21:53.52Dev0nI haven't yet, I'm asking around before I do
21:53.57Dev0nhttp://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/Ecryptfs
21:53.59Dagger3(they've basically stuffed up their v6 deployment because they don't understand basic routing, and they refuse to understand this :/)
21:54.02Dev0nlooking at that article though
21:54.25Jasonnerawfish_: I am having problems with actually understanding HOW to configure it, like I followed the guide and it failed to show up on ifconfig
21:54.35Dagger3Jasonn: what information have they given you to configure?
21:54.50JasonnDagger3: they gave me a general guide, one sec, ill link yo
21:54.53Jasonnyou *
21:55.15MarkS-Hello, what is the current file (in squeeze) where I can change the IP that was set during installation? As there is no /etc/network/interfaces file anymore (at least I can't find it)
21:55.21JasonnDagger3: help.ovh.co.uk/Ipv4Ipv6
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21:55.59erawfish_MarkS-: there is such a file. there might not be your static IP in it, there there is always a /etc/network/interfaces
21:56.20Dagger3Jasonn: have they sent you an email or anything with your address range in it?
21:56.32erawfish_Jasonn: the factoid dpkg gave you, had a "fill in the blanks" example section. it's a very very good idea to follow that
21:56.42buhmanhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/499769/ what's this javafail?
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21:57.38MarkS-erawfish_: my mistake (making a typo on the commandline, I shouldn't do things like this when tired)
21:58.10JasonnDagger3: yeah, its on the manager page. You know if you look at the guide on step 2, where it replaces 2001:41d0:1:209:: with 2001:41D0:1:218a::1 -- What do I have to do there since that is not my address range.
21:58.16somiajbuhman: what version of debian?
21:58.31erawfish_buhman: and which jdk?
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21:59.12Dagger3Jasonn: that guide is just horribly wrong
21:59.34jhutchins_ltMarkS-: The installer should not use the network manager to set the address, although it is possible to do so.  Which version of Debian are you using?
21:59.54erawfish_jhutchins_lt: see above about the typo
22:00.08JasonnDagger3: :3 thought so, because it just completely failed when I tried like 5 times, and when I call OVH, they just email me the link to that guide x.x
22:00.12unkmarI have been unable to get --delmode to work with xrandr in version 1.3.  Am I missing something?
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22:00.29JasonnDagger3: and when they gave me a /64 of IPv6's, how many is that?
22:01.05jhutchins_ltMarkS-: Are we to assume that you found the file and things are as you expect them to be?
22:01.35jhutchins_lterawfish_: Sometimes threading these conversations can be a challenge, eh?
22:01.49Dagger3Jasonn: 2^64, although I think they're actually giving out /56s (although they're not actually giving them out; they configure them on-link rather than routing them to you -- this is why I described their v6 setup as stuffed up)
22:02.12erawfish_jhutchins_lt: could be worse, could be like #ubuntu
22:02.18Jasonnerawfish_: I have a problem with IPv6; I'm running Debian version 6. When I try to do configure IPv6 I get the following output . I expected it to do Configure IPv6.
22:02.49JasonnDagger3: so how many is in a /56?
22:03.08jhutchins_lterawfish_: I think my record is managing six simultaneous troubleshooting threads in one channel.
22:03.27Dulakthe /64 is the global routing space for ipv6, it's half of all the ips available in ipv6 so I'm sure you didn't get it all
22:03.30erawfish_Jasonn: "when I try to do configure IPv6" is bullshit. which you knew if you hadn't wasted a single thought on this. remember: YOU want help from US. if you do show your contempt like this: no help. have a nice day
22:03.42Dagger3Jasonn: I'll assume your range is 2001:41d0:1:db00::/56. I believe it should end up working if you do `ip addr add 2001:41d0:1:db00::1/56 dev eth0; ip -6 route add default via 2001:41d0:1:db00:ff:ff:ff:ff` (or was it default via 2001:41d0:1:dbff:ff:ff:ff:ff? sorry for the vagueness of the instructions, I'm doing this from memory and I don't have an OCH account)
22:04.07Dagger3OVH*
22:04.09erawfish_*had wasted
22:04.11JasonnDagger3: just perform that as a commend?
22:04.20Dulaknevermind, I'm retarded, disregard what I just said
22:04.44Jasonnerawfish_: yes, I do want help from YOU, being the general channel users, not you as in erawfish_ , as you are obviousely too busy complaining to help anyone.
22:05.06Dagger3Jasonn: 2^80 IPs... normally you would split it into 256 /64 subnets [but OVH's retarded setup means you can't do that]
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22:05.34Dagger3Jasonn: you normally don't count IPs in v6 though, because there's just way more than you can ever use... it doesn't make sense to count individual addresses
22:05.47JasonnDagger3: I see :3
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22:06.11Dagger3Jasonn: and yeah, just run those two commands
22:06.12JasonnDagger3:           inet6 addr: 2001:41d0:1:db00::1/56 Scope:Global \o/
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22:06.41Dagger3... you'll need to replace the prefix with whatever yours is...
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22:06.59JasonnDagger3: :3 and how would I check that?
22:07.19Dagger3[22:58:06] <Jasonn> Dagger3: yeah, its on the manager page
22:07.42erawfish_Dagger3: what good is the ip command to him. is he to log in (ipv4 I guess?) everytime the server boots up to execute this command?
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22:08.23Dagger3erawfish_: no, he's to stick the config in /etc/network/interfaces after he knows what the right config is
22:08.36Dulakyou get it working with the ip command, then you can copy/paste what you need into the config
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22:11.23jhutchins_ltMarkS-: Well, cool, carry on then.  We all goof up sometimes.
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22:11.50JasonnDagger3: yeah, it shows me the /64 range
22:11.56MarkS-jhutchins_lt: debian squeeze (to be honest from debian 3.1 up I didn't see a debian server without /etc/network/interfaces if I remember it correctly, I'm used to static IPs)
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22:12.57Dulakinterfaces should always exist, just for the loopback if nothing else
22:12.58erawfish_they still all have interfaces: at least lo is configured via this file in all debian versions
22:13.01jhutchins_ltMarkS-: I came over from the RedHat tree, had to learn the Debian Way.
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22:13.54Dagger3Jasonn: if you could copy/paste the exact text it's given you, I could test to see what the right router address is
22:13.57jhutchins_ltIt is possible now to configure it all through network-manager and a GUI.
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22:14.16JasonnDagger3: ok, one sec
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22:14.35Dulakyeah but network-manager won't configure lo
22:14.51MarkS-I prefer to change the configs directly to be honest
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22:15.29DulakI like the network-manager on my laptop, but on my workstation and server it's all config for network at boot
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22:16.57jhutchins_ltI use DHCP for everything.
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22:20.34en1gmaa'export CC=gcc-4.5' dont seem to help
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22:26.41Jasonnback, sorry, Dagger3: IPv6:   2001:41d0:1:a82a::/64
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22:26.50JasonnDagger3: thats the only thing it tells me
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22:27.15Dagger3Jasonn: huh. it actually is a /64?
22:27.33JasonnDagger3: yeah, thats what it shows me
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22:30.59Dagger3ugh... try `ip addr add 2001:41d0:1:a82a::1/64 dev eth0; ip -6 route add default via 2001:41d0:1:a8ff:ff:ff:ff:ff dev eth0`
22:31.20Dagger3that's what that guide says to do, even though the gateway ends up being outside your subnet then
22:31.32JasonnDagger3:           inet6 addr: 2001:41d0:1:a82a::1/64 Scope:Global          inet6 addr: 2001:41d0:1:db00::1/56 Scope:Global
22:31.39Jasonnnow it shows both on ifconfig
22:32.08Dagger3`ip addr del 2001:41d0:1:db00::1/56` (also `ip -6 route del default via 2001:41d0:1:db00:ff:ff:ff:ff` to get rid of the other default route)
22:33.13JasonnDagger3: bash: command substitution: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "2001:41d0:1:db00::1/56ip".
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22:33.31Jasonnohhh
22:33.34Jasonngot it
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22:35.36JasonnDagger3: gtg
22:35.40Jasonnbe back in like 3 hours
22:35.52Dagger3Jasonn: 'fraid I'll be asleep then
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22:39.41Dagger3Jasonn: you can try in #ipv6 if noone here has any idea (although with OVH, god knows if anyone can help you :/) -- make sure to show them the "IPv6: 2001:41d0:1:a82a::/64" line, and say that that's the only information you get (because you really should also get a default router with that)
22:40.35Dagger3Jasonn: and your router looks like it *might* be 2001:41d0:1:a8ff:ff:ff:ff:ff (I can ping that address, at least, and it matches the usual addresses they give their routers)
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22:53.16fastaIs there a way to automatically input fields in a running Java application?
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22:53.23fastaSo, basically expect, but then for graphical applications.
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22:54.57\rainman\hello
22:55.12\rainman\i am havin issues installing debian on my laptop
22:55.16\rainman\http://ompldr.org/vYjBzdQ
22:55.27\rainman\sorry for the pic it is all i can provide
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22:55.41\rainman\i installed mint on this laptop and it works alright
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22:57.31ompaulwell some kernel noise with a flash or other bright noise is far too hard to read becomes some kind of visual game we can't play
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22:59.23Kamping_Kaiser\rainman\: which part of the error is unclear?
22:59.27Kamping_Kaiserompaul: morning
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23:00.01ompaul!tell \rainman\ about firmware
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23:00.20ompaulKamping_Kaiser: I guess the word error didn't compute :)
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23:00.43Kamping_Kaiserompaul: he must be pre coffee ;)
23:01.03ompaulKamping_Kaiser: there is that
23:01.04\rainman\the disc just stops and does nothing
23:01.26\rainman\after configuring network interface(s)
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23:02.15Kamping_Kaiserthat log stops, or the installer itself?
23:02.16\rainman\i took that pic because i thought it would be better than saying i couldn't install debian because the install process just stopped for no reason
23:02.23\rainman\that is all the data it gave me
23:02.53\rainman\the installer itself
23:02.56ompaul\rainman\: get rid of those slashes and other silly things - they are just annoying, the other thing I'm thinking is install while connected to internet
23:03.21Kamping_Kaiserompaul: grumpy old man :)
23:03.27ompaulI am
23:03.34ompaulits after midnight
23:03.47ompaulbreakfast in 9.25
23:03.53Kamping_Kaiserdebianguest9: after network detection it should check for updates and install packages (iirc). how long has it been 'not doing anything'?
23:04.08Kamping_Kaiserompaul: its friday night! party like you're 19 again
23:04.19Kamping_Kaiserfwiw, i just ate breakfast :p
23:04.21debianguest9i let it sit then went for a jog and still was doing nothing
23:04.25debianguest9was out for 1.5 hours
23:04.29ompaulKamping_Kaiser: I'd have to subtract nearly 30 years :)
23:04.41Kamping_Kaiserhehe
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23:05.32debianguest9why wouldn't it install without being connected
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23:05.54ompauldebianguest9: it gets to configure its network
23:06.26debianguest9i installed it on my netbook without configuring the network
23:06.34Kamping_Kaiserdebianguest9: it should work, but i've not had enough problems installing to know why it might be failing at that point
23:06.58debianguest9brb
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23:09.13gnarfacecan lighttpd and apache co-exist on squeeze?
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23:10.17cookiemon5terKamping_Kaiser: ompaul samething when hooked to network
23:11.08ompaulgnarface: as long as they are not on port 80 at the same time
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23:11.53ompaulgnarface: sorry about obvious comment ;-)
23:11.56cookiemon5terbtw i am debianguest9
23:12.02ompaulcookiemon5ter: we know
23:12.10cookiemon5terjust making sure
23:12.31buhmanwho's that one bot that knows things?
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23:13.57buhman18:13 <dpkg> i don't know
23:14.14buhmanthe guy with the handy versions command
23:14.21ompauljudd
23:14.36Kamping_Kaiserwe have at lest 3 bots in here ;)
23:14.47ompaulKamping_Kaiser: and then theres me n u
23:15.23Kamping_Kaiserompaul: *slap* :p
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23:19.10buhmanException in thread "main" java.io.FileNotFoundException: /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts (Is a directory)
23:19.50ompaulbuhman: and this was done by a low flying aircraft or something else?
23:20.45buhmanompaul: the ca-certificates package
23:20.54buhmanompaul: it's not very intelligent
23:21.12ompaulinstalling frying deleting calling long distance?
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23:21.46ompaulbuhman: please give enough information so a judgment can be made
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23:22.49ompaulKamping_Kaiser: there is a side order of fries over there in your message box
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23:24.56Kamping_Kaiserompaul: i'll have a snack, thanks
23:26.22ompaulit seems sufficient information is not forthcoming as to the activity that caused the error, therefore I blame the neutrinos
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23:29.28buhmanwhat's that minimalist C compiling metapackage called?
23:30.00Kamping_Kaisergcc?
23:30.02Kamping_Kaiserdpkg: be
23:30.02dpkgfrom memory, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. #debian.be
23:30.05Kamping_Kaisernope
23:30.12Kamping_Kaiserdpkg: build-essential
23:30.12dpkgbuild-essential is, like, a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages.  If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential".  If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package.  Ask me about <qotd49>.
23:30.28buhmanKamping_Kaiser: thanks
23:30.57wolfricdoes anyone know if it's possible to configure fusefs to not require users to be in the fuse group in order to use it?
23:31.04Kamping_Kaiserbuhman: np
23:31.09cookiemon5terwonders if dpkg was written by a teenage cheerleader
23:31.18cookiemon5terlike whoa
23:31.38Kamping_Kaisercookiemon5ter: uh?
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23:37.47BW^-i want to run 'echo "/tmp/core.app_%e.pid_%p" > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern' on every boot.  do i do this by making a shellscript /etc/init.d/coredumps_config that contains #!/bin/sh\n + this  only?
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23:39.32cookiemon5terKamping_Kaiser: is there a way i can add firmware to this
23:39.47BW^-i mean, is this the best way of doing it, or should i add it to some other ifle?
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23:42.02dondelelcaroBW^-: stick it in sysctl.conf
23:42.08dondelelcaro(or in sysctl.d)
23:42.12dondelelcaroBW^-: man sysctl for details
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23:42.24dondelelcaroerr, sysctl.conf(5), actually
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23:43.29cardIf I'm installing virtualbox, is "Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!" of concern? http://paste.debian.net/140825/
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23:44.10BW^-dondelelcaro: ah great, than kyou for pointing this out!
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23:46.11TrilI'm trying to install Squeeze from CD on a system that has sid on an SSD. 2 different Squeeze installers both lock up at 50% done starting the partitioner. any clue?
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23:48.29Trilthe last log line is: partman-lvm:   5 logical volume(s) in volume group "ssd0" now active
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23:51.47TJNIII'm trying to run a firmware update binary provided by HP and ld is balking on symlinked libraries when I try and run it: http://pastebin.com/pWdmZP8F
23:51.54TJNIIAnyone have some wise words?
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23:56.18TrilTJNII: is it a 32-bit binary? you may need to install 32-bit freetype and other libs
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23:58.22TJNIITril: Yes, it would be.  So it's balking because the library is 64bit, then?
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23:58.55Trilyes I would expect..a 32bit executable to need 32bit libs...
23:59.30TJNIITril: Makes sense.  Let me bark up that tree....

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