| 00:00.01 | Dulak | noodlr: .htaccess if you have that enabled, otherwise make a <Path> or <Dir> or <Files> container in your vhost container for it |
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| 00:00.59 | Dulak | noodlr: I haven't run apache for several years so it's fuzzy, the container names might not be right |
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| 00:01.11 | noodlr | ah |
| 00:01.42 | noodlr | k, I don't think I enabled .htaccess (haven't had the need to so far). |
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| 00:02.08 | Dulak | I don't recommend it, apache has to stat a crapload of stuff when you have it enabled |
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| 00:02.30 | Dulak | It's retarded the amount of I/O overhead it puts on the server |
| 00:03.05 | Dulak | I always used containers in the vhost myself |
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| 00:05.06 | C-boys | what type of password hash is this: root:bJTfCDO9iesug: ? |
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| 00:06.25 | Dulak | C-boys: you sure that's all of it? |
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| 00:06.44 | funcc | http://pastebin.com/MaswHBVn |
| 00:06.50 | funcc | Any idea? |
| 00:07.00 | funcc | That's my lighttpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/Q9bZ0Myf |
| 00:07.07 | C-boys | Dulak: yes |
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| 00:08.44 | Dulak | C-boys: it's not in any rainbow table that I have, it's too short to be md5 or sha1, so no clue, and usually you have $ delimiters for the salt on modern linux |
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| 00:10.48 | Dulak | C-boys: on modern linux you get something like root:$version$salt$passwordhash:other fields |
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| 00:11.40 | C-boys | Dulak: its on a router |
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| 00:12.46 | Dulak | C-boys: ahh, then it's probably crypt(3) |
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| 00:14.59 | C-boys | Dulak: ok, this is a safe not crackable one? |
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| 00:15.35 | thewanderer1 | C-boys, it looks like it can be cracked in a few hours or less I think |
| 00:15.48 | C-boys | thewanderer1: huh? |
| 00:15.51 | Dulak | Nope, it's old, and easily cracked in minutes on the best modern hardware |
| 00:15.57 | thewanderer1 | but maybe that is *not* encrypted at all? why encrypt the password on an embedded device? |
| 00:16.10 | grisen | Hey, Can you see this message? |
| 00:16.26 | thewanderer1 | grisen, looks pretty visible to me, if a bit dull |
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| 00:16.59 | Dulak | It's a hash, limited to an 8 char password, so you generate the hash for every char combo of 8 chars, and compare the output hash to your known hash, when you get a match, you have the password |
| 00:17.05 | grisen | Thanks thewanderer1 |
| 00:17.13 | streuner_ | grisen: no |
| 00:17.27 | grisen | :-) |
| 00:17.29 | C-boys | Dulak: so that means not crackable right? |
| 00:17.48 | Dulak | I could do it in a couple hours on my P4 machine |
| 00:18.06 | Dulak | Under 60 minutes on a newer quad core |
| 00:18.39 | Dulak | Somewhere I'm sure someone has the tables precalculated where you could just match it in seconds. |
| 00:19.11 | C-boys | got a link? |
| 00:19.16 | C-boys | or where should i look for? |
| 00:19.24 | Dulak | http://www.freerainbowtables.com/ |
| 00:19.34 | Dulak | google for rainbow tables |
| 00:20.36 | qubits | Hey guys listen |
| 00:20.48 | qubits | I need my linux server up and doing samba for the night |
| 00:20.49 | C-boys | Dulak: i downloaded a tool called findmyhash.py |
| 00:20.52 | Dulak | It's either crypt(3) or crypt(5) but I'd bet it's crypt(3) from the length |
| 00:20.56 | C-boys | Dulak: which type of hash should i pick? |
| 00:20.58 | qubits | What's a good livecd for that? |
| 00:21.29 | thewanderer1 | qubits, pick any Debian or Ubuntu LiveCD and it'll work as long as you have Internet access to operate apt-get |
| 00:21.40 | rektide | how do i bring up both a static interface and a dhcp interface on a physical eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:21.48 | vvor | quasisane: DSL |
| 00:22.03 | thewanderer1 | rektide, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:22.20 | Dulak | rektide: use a device alias: eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2, etc |
| 00:22.20 | rektide | thewanderer1: i want this system to come up with both a statically assigned ip address and to also attempt dhcp |
| 00:22.40 | thewanderer1 | rektide, two IP addresses on one interface usually don't work very well |
| 00:22.47 | somiaj | rektide: so you want to attempt dhcp and then have a static fallback? |
| 00:23.04 | C-boys | Dulak: that type is not in http://www.freerainbowtables.com/en/hashcracking/ |
| 00:23.05 | rektide | Dulak: i have an eth0:1 that is configured to do dhcp. it has auto eth0:1 and allow-hotplug eth0:1. but i get a "Failed to bring up eth0:1" when i do ifup eth0:1. |
| 00:23.06 | C-boys | Dulak: does it have a name? |
| 00:23.14 | thewanderer1 | Dulak, I believe device aliases are obsolete |
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| 00:23.28 | rektide | somiaj: i'd like the static fallback regardless of whether the dhcp works or not. |
| 00:23.31 | somiaj | thewanderer1: no they still work (use them for my wlan all the time) |
| 00:23.45 | thewanderer1 | somiaj, which doesn't mean they are not obsolete :) |
| 00:23.46 | rektide | it appears networking is not creating my eth0:1 alias for me |
| 00:23.50 | Dulak | they better not be obsolete, all my vhosts run off aliases |
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| 00:24.40 | Dulak | C-boys: I don't know man, you need to read, I'm not walking you through how to crack a password, I told you too much as it is. |
| 00:24.47 | C-boys | ok |
| 00:25.10 | C-boys | im just googling and i cannot find any cracking service for this type of hash |
| 00:25.27 | thewanderer1 | rektide, still you haven't answered the basic question, what is the purpose of this? are you trying to establish a fallback IP address in case DHCP does not work? |
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| 00:25.55 | somiaj | thewanderer1: isn't eth0:1 a vert device, not an alias? |
| 00:26.04 | somiaj | rektide: does ifup eth0\:1 work? |
| 00:26.21 | rektide | thewanderer1: as i told somiaj, i want that fallback regardless of whether DHCP works or not |
| 00:26.23 | Dulak | C-boys: it's very old, crypt(3) was the original hash used back in the 80s, crypt(5) improved on it to allow longer passwords in the early 90s |
| 00:26.41 | rektide | thewanderer1: the purpose is to have an address i know that i can always access on this system |
| 00:26.47 | lapsusbrutus | you could make a virtual bridge instead of alias? |
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| 00:27.01 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus, let's keep it simple... |
| 00:27.21 | somiaj | rektide: I have a iface eth0, iface eth0:1 line, and then an auto eth0:1 line |
| 00:27.28 | somiaj | rektide: it seems to bring up both static devices here. |
| 00:27.45 | thewanderer1 | rektide, I think you could use `up ip addr add blahblah dev eth0` in your eth0 stanza |
| 00:27.55 | C-boys | Dulak: ok, but then i dont think its that as a router (firmware released a few years ago) woiuldnt use such hash |
| 00:27.57 | rektide | somiaj: that mostly works for me if eth0:1 is the static one |
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| 00:28.02 | thewanderer1 | then the only thing left to solve is routing priority |
| 00:28.07 | rektide | somiaj: does it work for you if you make eth0 your static and eth0:1 your dhcp? |
| 00:28.24 | somiaj | rektide: not sure, this isn't mysetup, and they are both static here. |
| 00:28.45 | rektide | my eth0 doesn't stay up, someone keeps shutting it down |
| 00:28.57 | rektide | i think dhclient might be doing something after it fails to find an address after a whle |
| 00:29.03 | rektide | and that kills my eth0:1 static address too |
| 00:30.48 | lapsusbrutus | rektide: "i want that fallback regardless of whether DHCP works or not" Id just put static if dhcp is not realiable enough |
| 00:33.40 | somiaj | rektide: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface -- all examples of using multiple IPs for a single device with virtual devices are static. Your DHCP client will mess with things as that is what its supose to do |
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| 00:34.06 | somiaj | rektide: if you just want a fallback ip for when DHCP fails, tell DHCP client about teh fallback, or configure it to deal with your virt address |
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| 00:36.50 | thewanderer1 | an updated Tor version has been released, but it's still not in backports and the Squeeze version is too old, which makes Tor Weather complain about my node. how do I get this right? |
| 00:37.37 | somiaj | rektide: https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/dhcp-users/2010-August/011818.html -- just seeing issues when people use virtual interfaces with dhcp, this guy says it cannot be done. Other threads are just talking about it being buggy. |
| 00:37.46 | funcc | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lHSrts_thr |
| 00:37.48 | funcc | http://pastebin.com/2v430FFS |
| 00:38.03 | funcc | which package to install? |
| 00:39.50 | thewanderer1 | rektide, try exploring different DHCP clients, there are at least a few |
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| 00:43.48 | peterrooney | funcc: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search rts_thr |
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| 00:48.27 | funcc | peterrooney: thanks |
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| 00:53.34 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, can someone tell me if an audio library is a good "first" package? |
| 00:54.04 | fanatic_ | alright I have a serious problem. I had the nouveau driver and everything was working fine, then I installed nvidia-glx (I'm on wheezy btw) |
| 00:54.20 | fanatic_ | now x doesn't even start (complains about /dev/fb0 not existing) |
| 00:54.26 | thewanderer1 | mick_laptop, libraries are tricky but if you have experience with building libraries it should be fine |
| 00:54.29 | fanatic_ | Xorg -configure doesn't work |
| 00:54.41 | fanatic_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do anything |
| 00:54.52 | fanatic_ | I uninstalled nvidia-glx but still no dice |
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| 00:55.01 | thewanderer1 | fanatic_, well, remove nvidia-glx and revert to nouveau? |
| 00:55.20 | fanatic_ | thewanderer1, I removed nvidia-glx completely |
| 00:55.25 | thewanderer1 | good |
| 00:55.36 | fanatic_ | is #apt-get install nouveau enough? |
| 00:56.06 | mick_laptop | thewanderer1: I'm not the best in the world, but I think I can (perhaps w/ someone pointing out where I screw up) :) |
| 00:56.18 | mick_laptop | where/when :) |
| 00:56.31 | thewanderer1 | fanatic_, should already be included |
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| 00:56.43 | fanatic_ | thewanderer1, you mean I don't have to do anything |
| 00:57.29 | thewanderer1 | sit back and relax, heh |
| 00:57.45 | fanatic_ | doesn't work, x still won't start. |
| 00:58.00 | fanatic_ | same error. |
| 00:58.09 | thewanderer1 | is nvidia module loaded? |
| 00:58.19 | fanatic_ | no, uninstalled it |
| 00:59.19 | fanatic_ | also, how do I make an xorg.conf file? |
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| 00:59.48 | yagoo | fanatic_, close down any logon managers.. and do X -configure |
| 00:59.57 | fanatic_ | yagoo, doesn't work |
| 00:59.58 | yagoo | that'll do a sample u can edit then copy to the proper directory |
| 01:00.02 | yagoo | be root. |
| 01:00.06 | fanatic_ | I am |
| 01:00.13 | yagoo | well i doubt it |
| 01:00.15 | yagoo | lol |
| 01:00.18 | fanatic_ | same error (not finding /dev/fb0 or something) |
| 01:00.35 | yagoo | it may say error-- and alot of times it still makes the sample file |
| 01:00.39 | yagoo | check ~ of root |
| 01:01.06 | fanatic_ | alright, let me do this again, bbl |
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| 01:03.47 | erawfish_ | fanatic_: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 01:21.17 | RickAcces | My Spirit book is online thank Dr. Gaind the Magnificiant for Perfection and Dignity and the rest of the spiritual brothers and sisters worldwide: http://sourceforge.net/projects/centrybook/files/ thanks debian. |
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| 01:23.47 | OldParr | i have KDE installed alongside with gnome and xcfe, but KDE do not starts completely it just show the initial screen for 3 seconds and after that screen goes black and it returns to the logon screen |
| 01:23.59 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, read ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:24.04 | boudiccas | RickAcces; Off topic! Please take your advertising elsewhere |
| 01:24.18 | erawfish_ | OldParr: didn't it crash the machine before? |
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| 01:25.11 | Cerise | hey there. my system always locks up when i unplug my external hard drive. is this the intended behaviour? |
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| 01:25.39 | erawfish_ | of course it's not intended |
| 01:25.41 | OldParr | KDE is recently installed but it never has started completely |
| 01:25.57 | erawfish_ | OldParr: do what thewanderer1 told you |
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| 01:27.40 | OldParr | thewanderer1: ----> http://paste.debian.net/141090/ |
| 01:28.18 | thewanderer1 | nothing relevant to KDE |
| 01:29.08 | thewanderer1 | try running the Failsafe session, then "startkde" (or startkde4? don't remember) and see what the terminal emulator prints. |
| 01:29.09 | erawfish_ | OldParr: exit gdm, delete the file, create a new user, as the new user run startkde from the console |
| 01:29.55 | OldParr | erawfish_: do you mean erase xsession-errors? |
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| 01:30.02 | erawfish_ | yes I mean that |
| 01:30.07 | OldParr | wait |
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| 01:31.44 | thewanderer1 | meanwhile, I'm going to sleep |
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| 01:31.59 | fanatic_ | hi, I'm back |
| 01:32.20 | fanatic_ | ok, X -configure did generate a xorg.conf file, but it wouldn't work |
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| 01:32.45 | fanatic_ | I thought nouveau might be unloaded, so I tried #modprobe nouveau and it worked |
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| 01:33.09 | fanatic_ | now x is up and running, but I'm not sure it will work on next boot as well |
| 01:33.23 | fanatic_ | if I put nouveau in /etc/modules will that work, possibly? |
| 01:33.33 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 01:33.34 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:33.57 | fanatic_ | boudiccas: thanks. |
| 01:34.16 | erawfish_ | fanatic_: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 01:34.53 | vvor | dpkg: thnxs! |
| 01:34.54 | dpkg | vvor: no idea |
| 01:34.55 | fanatic_ | ii nvidia-detect 280.13.really.275.28-1 NVIDIA GPU detection utility |
| 01:34.57 | fanatic_ | rc nvidia-installer-cleanup 20110729+2 Cleanup after driver installation with the nvidia-installer |
| 01:35.00 | fanatic_ | rc nvidia-kernel-common 20110729+2 NVIDIA binary kernel module support files |
| 01:35.03 | fanatic_ | rc nvidia-support 20110729+2 NVIDIA binary graphics driver support files |
| 01:35.28 | fanatic_ | (sorry about the flood) |
| 01:35.29 | vvor | dpkg: it did not help |
| 01:35.29 | dpkg | vvor: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:35.39 | boudiccas | fanatic_; dont ever do that again! use a pastebin |
| 01:35.58 | fanatic_ | will do |
| 01:36.13 | erawfish_ | fanatic_: and never ever use drivers from nvidia.com either. good luck fixing the mess those drives made |
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| 01:37.07 | vvor | erawfish_: boudiccas never say never |
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| 01:37.23 | erawfish_ | vvor: do you have a debian related problem you need help with? |
| 01:38.13 | fanatic_ | erawfish_: to be fair I just used the nvidia-glx package in the repo, I didn't download the source from nvidia.com directly. But I see your point. |
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| 01:38.39 | erawfish_ | fanatic_: you didn't download the nvidia packages from debian |
| 01:38.56 | fanatic_ | I did |
| 01:39.06 | fanatic_ | oh right no I didn't |
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| 01:39.46 | fanatic_ | are there even any nvidia packages on debian? |
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| 01:44.09 | fanatic_ | alright, final question: would any of you recommend installing the nouveau 3d driver? |
| 01:44.54 | sauvin | I removed nouveau. |
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| 01:47.46 | TechDesk | ati rox |
| 01:48.07 | TechDesk | nouveau isen't recommended |
| 01:49.05 | fanatic_ | I guess I have to forget about 3d... |
| 01:49.22 | OldParr | thewanderer1: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/pic0003jg.jpg/ |
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| 01:50.01 | fanatic_ | thanks for your help everyone :) |
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| 01:50.12 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, you were supposed to select the failsafe session in the display manager before logging in, not startkde in the actual Linux console |
| 01:50.34 | thewanderer1 | just launch an xterm without a desktop environment and try it there |
| 01:50.54 | OldParr | ok |
| 01:51.01 | OldParr | how do i close gnome |
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| 01:51.58 | thewanderer1 | just log out |
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| 01:52.38 | OldParr | i rebooted and choosed failsafe the tiiem before |
| 01:53.06 | thewanderer1 | you know how you select GNOME or KDE or XFCE at logon? |
| 01:53.17 | OldParr | yes |
| 01:53.19 | thewanderer1 | just choose Failsafe instead of them |
| 01:53.45 | OldParr | theres is a list just below the user selection |
| 01:53.59 | OldParr | ok |
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| 02:01.53 | OldParr | it has only these options gnome, kde, xcfe and default, if i choose default it starts gnome |
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| 02:02.40 | TechDesk | configure inittab |
| 02:02.56 | TechDesk | or .xinitrc |
| 02:03.01 | TechDesk | or .xsession |
| 02:03.17 | TechDesk | gdm suxx, xdm roxx |
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| 02:03.41 | OldParr | TechDesk: are you talking to me? |
| 02:03.48 | TechDesk | no |
| 02:03.56 | TechDesk | or yes |
| 02:03.58 | TechDesk | :) |
| 02:04.05 | TechDesk | i speak really bad english |
| 02:04.59 | OldParr | TechDesk: i think is easier to close X and to start kde |
| 02:05.14 | OldParr | but i do not know how to close x |
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| 02:06.11 | TechDesk | etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 02:07.30 | OldParr | root@sinamaica:~# /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:07.30 | OldParr | -su: /etc/init.d/gdm: No such file or directory |
| 02:07.50 | TechDesk | gdm3 maybe |
| 02:07.54 | TechDesk | or kdm |
| 02:08.01 | TechDesk | if you use gnome or kde |
| 02:08.12 | aypea[2] | trying to set emacs bindings on gtk but neither the gtkrc-2.0 nor the gconftool methods appear to work. is there anything that I may be missing? |
| 02:08.26 | TechDesk | but you need to switch to a different runlevel |
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| 02:08.52 | TechDesk | inittab |
| 02:09.05 | TechDesk | id5 : X |
| 02:09.09 | TechDesk | id3 : tty |
| 02:09.19 | TechDesk | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 02:09.22 | TechDesk | and X is closed |
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| 02:10.03 | erawfish_ | !runlevels |
| 02:10.03 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 02:11.33 | medsouz | I can't get ALSA to work with my built in speakers |
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| 02:11.42 | medsouz | it works fine on headphones though |
| 02:12.03 | TechDesk | select your ouput |
| 02:12.12 | TechDesk | in alsamixer |
| 02:12.32 | jargon- | selektah! |
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| 02:20.52 | medsouz | TechDesk: Okay I set it to my sound card but I am still not hearing anything |
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| 02:36.53 | Firefishe | Is there a program whereby fan control on a laptop can be done manually, or at least semi-manually? |
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| 02:42.01 | henchman24 | fancontrol |
| 02:42.18 | henchman24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.26 | lotus-blade | has testing started twards a release yet? |
| 02:42.29 | henchman24 | couple others depending on hardware |
| 02:42.56 | lotus-blade | I heard a rummor that gome 3 is about to be moved to testing |
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| 02:46.08 | bookmark | hiya |
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| 02:46.21 | bookmark | does anyone know how to compile open asset importer for debian? |
| 02:46.50 | bookmark | http://assimp.sourceforge.net/main_downloads.html |
| 02:46.54 | bookmark | or could someone look at it |
| 02:47.01 | bookmark | im sure its easy i just can't figure it out |
| 02:47.15 | bookmark | it says use cmake, but what do i do with cmake |
| 02:47.28 | bookmark | if i put #cmake at my prompt it lists all of the options for cmake |
| 02:47.43 | bookmark | it says use cmake in the INSTALL |
| 02:47.44 | Miodrag | i am using ubuntu 11.10 and i ahve problem running some script - it seems to pe the problem of GCC not finding the right path for libncurse-dev file - i made pastebin of what I get on make config: http://pastebin.com/VXczrCXD any help would be great - i have spent over 4h trying to solve this out |
| 02:48.42 | OldParr | i can not start kde by means of the command "startkde" it shows these errors http://paste.debian.net/141102/ |
| 02:50.00 | in2tactics | bookmark: did you check the readme? |
| 02:50.18 | karlpinc | bookmark: You install it. There should be generic instructions in the INSTALL file. Usually it's something like "./configure ;make; make install", but you probably want to set --prefix=/usr/local when you run ./configure and use something like stow. See the <stow> and <stow usage> factoids. See also footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 02:50.39 | bookmark | bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 02:50.57 | in2tactics | bookmark: check the README or INSTALL file associated with it |
| 02:51.13 | bookmark | yeah i said i read the INSTALL and it says use cmake |
| 02:51.20 | bookmark | thats all it says really |
| 02:51.38 | bookmark | i getted cmake and type cmake and it just shows options listing |
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| 02:51.55 | bookmark | oh i got it |
| 02:51.58 | bookmark | cmake . |
| 02:52.01 | bookmark | bam |
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| 02:52.57 | in2tactics | OldParr: are you tryin to start kde as root? |
| 02:53.15 | OldParr | in2tactics: no |
| 02:53.20 | en1gma | sup all: im going to update from squeeze to testing...i been reading on net about /etc/apt/sources.list and i know it well for other distros but i got a Q.....do i just "ADD" a testing repo and not comment anything out or do i comment all repos in the sources.list file and only have my new testings |
| 02:53.22 | OldParr | in2tactics: as normal user |
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| 02:54.38 | OldParr | if i start kde from inside gnome it starts but if i try to launch it alone not |
| 02:54.40 | in2tactics | OldParr: i'm just tryin to understand why it is checking /root/.kde with /root as your home folder |
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| 02:55.01 | in2tactics | OldParr: you can not run KDE from inside GNOME |
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| 02:55.09 | OldParr | i do |
| 02:55.23 | OldParr | type startkde in a terminal |
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| 02:57.12 | in2tactics | OldParr: i guess they have some method for doing that but normally you change the .startxrc to use kde instead of gnome and run it from command line |
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| 02:58.14 | Fernandos | hi |
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| 02:58.21 | OldParr | in2tactics: let me try again as normal user |
| 02:58.35 | OldParr | i think i did that as root |
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| 02:58.45 | Fernandos | I want to test software. How do I install it temporarily? |
| 02:58.50 | Fernandos | using apt |
| 02:59.39 | Fernandos | sudo aptitude build-dep erlang yaws ..this would install lots of packages that I don't need, I just want to install it temporarily to test the software. And get rid after it. |
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| 03:07.16 | karlpinc | Fernandos: In theory apt is supposed to get rid of all the dependencies after you uninstall. However, sometimes they hang around. But this might be specific to my box where I sometimes do different things with "recommends" packages. In any case you can use deborphan to find and eliminate the dependences. |
| 03:07.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i keep getting this errors on xmms2.. INFO: ../src/xmms/log.c:49: Initialized logging system :) |
| 03:07.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | 23:03:19 INFO: ../src/xmms/ipc.c:874: IPC listening on 'unix:///tmp/xmms-ipc-erin'. |
| 03:07.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | 23:03:19 FATAL: ../src/xmms/sqlite.c:385: Error opening sqlite db: unable to open database file |
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| 03:07.55 | in2tactics | OldParr: did you figure it out? |
| 03:08.00 | OldParr | yes |
| 03:08.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have been following the how to online for a lenny system, but it says nothing about this error.. any idea? .. why is it in /src? |
| 03:08.10 | in2tactics | OldParr: excellent, what was the issue? |
| 03:08.12 | OldParr | i was launching kde as root |
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| 03:08.27 | in2tactics | OldParr: i thought that ou might have been :) |
| 03:08.50 | Fernandos | karlpinc: yeah I know, but in my case it always leaves many packages out and I don't want to remove them by hand, it's tedious work and deborphan doesn't know what happened on the last install, it just applies some rules it knows. It would be awesome if I could go into some secret jailed or sandboxed mode to install things and revert back to normal after the tests |
| 03:08.53 | OldParr | as normal user it says "display is no set" |
| 03:09.15 | OldParr | well but taht is not the error |
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| 03:09.43 | Fernandos | an option for aptitude --sandbox would be totally awesome though, but I know that there are other ways to do this, just not how |
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| 03:10.22 | in2tactics | OldParr: normally you should change your .xinitrc to say exec startkde and comment out exec gnome-session, at which point you would restart your xserver |
| 03:10.32 | karlpinc | Fernandos: Apt has a log. You might also look at lvm snapshots. |
| 03:11.05 | OldParr | the problem is: that when i select kde as the desktop in the logon screen it just begins to load and after 3 seconds screen turns black and it takes you back to the logon screen |
| 03:11.11 | Fernandos | hmm I don't have an lvm setup here unfortunately, but thank you for the hint |
| 03:11.32 | in2tactics | OldParr: it must be missing some dependencies or something, what is the error log say? |
| 03:11.57 | OldParr | in2tactics: where is the error log? |
| 03:12.08 | lotus-blade | apt can not get lock? |
| 03:12.46 | Fernandos | lotus-blade: if you put sudo infront of your command it will unlock |
| 03:13.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | figured it out peeps there was an xmms2 dir under .config that needed to be removed. |
| 03:13.05 | lotus-blade | it is doing this as root |
| 03:13.21 | Fernandos | lotus-blade: then you've a second apt session open |
| 03:13.31 | Fernandos | lotus-blade: it's not made to work in paralell |
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| 03:14.34 | in2tactics | OldParr: the file is at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:15.19 | lotus-blade | clear |
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| 03:16.27 | OldParr | in2tactics: http://paste.debian.net/141105/ |
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| 03:21.51 | lotus-blade | thanks an upgrade never finished |
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| 03:22.56 | in2tactics | OldParr: i am not seeing anything specific that would cause a critical failure |
| 03:23.30 | in2tactics | OldParr: perhaps you are missing some kde specific dependencies |
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| 03:25.34 | in2tactics | OldParr: are you using the stable version of KDE or are you trying to do a testing version? |
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| 03:26.06 | OldParr | in2tactics: i installed it by means of the GUI of synaptic progam manager |
| 03:26.28 | OldParr | i only have stable repos and non-free |
| 03:26.46 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 03:27.12 | tharkun | Dulak: precisely, it is indeed not trivial wha i plan to do thanks for the warning |
| 03:28.04 | Dulak | ?? misdirect or really old conversation? |
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| 03:28.49 | in2tactics | OldParr: you could try running "apt-get check" from the cli to see if there are any issues |
| 03:28.58 | tharkun | Dulak: Really old about 4 hours ago :D |
| 03:29.11 | Dulak | past my scrollback |
| 03:29.25 | tharkun | NVM |
| 03:30.34 | OldParr | in2tactics: apt-get check gives no errors |
| 03:30.56 | OldParr | i think problem is kaboom |
| 03:31.30 | in2tactics | OldParr: this is why i use a simple wm like pekwm with no gdm or xdm :) less problems |
| 03:31.43 | OldParr | kaboom, helps to migrate from kde3 to kde4, but i had no previus kde installed |
| 03:33.28 | OldParr | in2tactics: why should synaptics install kaboom i do not need it |
| 03:33.35 | in2tactics | OldParr: just to check if everything is good, do a "apt-get install kde-desktop" |
| 03:34.09 | OldParr | root@sinamaica:/home/wayuu# apt-get install kde-desktop |
| 03:34.09 | OldParr | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:34.10 | OldParr | Building dependency tree |
| 03:34.10 | OldParr | Reading state information... Done |
| 03:34.10 | OldParr | E: Unable to locate package kde-desktop |
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| 03:35.27 | in2tactics | OldParr: my bad "apt-get install kde-core" |
| 03:35.43 | OldParr | in2tactics: http://paste.debian.net/141107/ |
| 03:36.45 | OldParr | http://paste.debian.net/141108/ |
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| 03:37.28 | allorder | kde-plasma-desktop |
| 03:39.09 | in2tactics | OldParr: that verifies that you everything for kde is good, the only other thing i can think of is that gdm doesn't like your kde, you could try doing "apt-get install kdm" to use kde's version |
| 03:40.54 | OldParr | in2tactics: http://paste.debian.net/141110/ |
| 03:41.15 | sauvin | kde can get along well enough with gdm, but I use kdm anyway. |
| 03:41.46 | OldParr | kdm is installed |
| 03:42.08 | OldParr | it was installed since long time ago |
| 03:42.29 | OldParr | bug? |
| 03:42.34 | in2tactics | OldParr: i'm not sure what to tell you mate |
| 03:42.48 | OldParr | i think is a bug |
| 03:43.31 | OldParr | is not a lack of configuration, it seems like a bug |
| 03:44.14 | in2tactics | OldParr: i am thinking you have some sort of conflict but i have not dealt with enough of those to be able to tell you were to look for resolving them |
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| 03:46.02 | herpader | I need to resize the LVM partition Debian is on, any tips on how to do it? |
| 03:46.04 | OldParr | in2tactics: what is sure is that the conflict was produced by synaptics |
| 03:46.36 | herpader | I have 20gb of unallocated space to add to the /home partition inside a LVM partition |
| 03:46.58 | in2tactics | OldParr: i was just reading some forums and there have been a few people that had trouble running kde with kdm after an upgrade |
| 03:47.08 | in2tactics | OldParr: you could try using gdm instead |
| 03:47.15 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.33 | in2tactics | OldParr: Rusty1 has a good point |
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| 03:48.27 | OldParr | well |
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| 03:49.02 | herpader | The only LVM tool I can find is on the Debian install CD |
| 03:49.24 | herpader | And it won't let me resize the LVM partition itself only the contents |
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| 03:50.01 | herpader | Help? |
| 03:50.37 | herpader | -_- |
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| 03:51.23 | in2tactics | herpader: have some patience, expecting an immediate response will get you nowhere |
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| 03:53.24 | herpader | Client crashed |
| 03:53.33 | herpader | Any LVM help? :( |
| 03:55.37 | herpader | what the he'll |
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| 03:59.42 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 04:00.29 | TheWarden | I just successfully installed the driver/scanner software for my Canon PIXMA MX340 all-in-one printer. |
| 04:00.45 | TheWarden | Would anyone happen to know how to change the print quality? |
| 04:01.00 | TheWarden | Would anyone know how to turn on duplexing? |
| 04:01.23 | TheWarden | Would anyone known how to set the printer to print in black only? |
| 04:02.00 | TheWarden | All these settings can be done in Windows but I don't see any setting in the printer properties on Debian. I see one for print quality but it won't let me change it and I'm not sure which value to use to put it to the lowest setting (draft basically). |
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| 04:03.40 | bookmark | uh... i think atoi is messing up is that possible? |
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| 04:04.54 | CaptWho | what's the difference between the kfreebsd-i386 package and the i386 package? |
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| 04:08.02 | CaptWho | or can someone give me a link to it? |
| 04:08.09 | zykotick9 | CaptWho, kfreebsd uses a freebsd kernel instead of linux |
| 04:08.49 | CaptWho | preferences? |
| 04:09.07 | CaptWho | omg, you're everywhere |
| 04:10.46 | CaptWho | preferences? i'm familiar with both |
| 04:11.23 | zykotick9 | kfreebsd isn't for day-to-day use really, it's a developer-preview or some similar wording |
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| 04:12.58 | in2tactics | CaptWho: kfreebsd is mostly for testing and proof of concept at the moment, i would not use it for anything mission critical but that is just me |
| 04:13.14 | CaptWho | thanks... given that i like fbsd, i probably would have gone with that |
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| 04:18.22 | karlpinc | TheWarden: It's a debian package? |
| 04:19.21 | TheWarden | karlpinc: yes it has debian packages in it, I used the install.sh to install it. Works great.. I'm able to print and scan just fine. |
| 04:19.45 | karlpinc | TheWarden: (I find cups does everything. YMMV.) If it'd debian you can also the the <readme.debian>. |
| 04:19.52 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You got it from debian? |
| 04:19.57 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I had to download it from the Asia web site of Canon oddly. Apparently though it is also on the European site now too but never checked. |
| 04:20.12 | TheWarden | karlpinc: no Canon's web site |
| 04:20.14 | DanDare | Hello. I want to define some serial port configurations after system boots (tty and setserial commands). It's ok if I add these instructions in /etc/rc.local ? |
| 04:20.26 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Ah. Integrating random stuff into debian can be annoying. |
| 04:20.53 | erawfish_ | DanDare: yes. tho there are some explicit ttySx config files somewhere |
| 04:20.59 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Why not try the debian packages? I'd start with that. |
| 04:21.06 | DanDare | erawfish_, ok, thanks |
| 04:21.11 | TheWarden | karlpinc: this isn't random, its the printer driver and scanner software for my Canon. What wrong with installing that? I thought there would be no other option. |
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| 04:21.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware Footnote 1. |
| 04:21.24 | Styles | I created a new user with adduser and then I tried did 'su tf2server;mkdir /home/tf2server/Steam' - mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/tf2server/Steam': Disk quota exceeded ? why would it think so |
| 04:22.06 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: first place you look for support is your distro. only if that isn't satisfactory, then you look with great reluctance elsewhere. this isn't windows where you always go to the manuafacturer first |
| 04:22.23 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Then you should try getting support from Canon, first. Of course we'll try to help. |
| 04:22.30 | erawfish_ | Styles: do you actually use quotas? |
| 04:22.52 | Styles | I think virtualmin does (which is installed) |
| 04:23.02 | erawfish_ | !webmin |
| 04:23.03 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 04:23.04 | Styles | but quota -u tf2server reports none |
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| 04:23.22 | TheWarden | ok guys this is insane, I'm by no means an expert but lets come back to reality. I purchase a product, of course I'm going to check that source first as it should come with compatibility at least to me. |
| 04:24.03 | Styles | o.O news to me haha |
| 04:24.29 | TheWarden | I've searched and searched and found nothing else.. nor nothing in debian sources that I know of via Software Centre and synaptic package manager. If I was an expert then yeah maybe I would know of something else. |
| 04:24.46 | TheWarden | I just thought I would ask in here to see what others have done and experienced. |
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| 04:26.01 | TheWarden | to me the most reliable and stable driver would be from the manufacture of the device it self.. heck who doesn't use NVIDA drivers if they have the choice. |
| 04:26.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey how do I get ls to make columns?? |
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| 04:26.47 | cemiotic | TheWarden: install cups and configure it using an internet browser |
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| 04:27.12 | TheWarden | erawfish_: as I stated I didn't do that.. I've been looking into the matters for days and researching trying to find anything of value. One would think the Manufacture would know more since they created the dang device in the first place. |
| 04:27.42 | TheWarden | also it should be noted that Canon provides debian packages to install its driver and scanner software. |
| 04:28.24 | TheWarden | cemiotic: well that is something that I will look into but of course it never came to my mind as I'm not aware of what cups is or does. Nor did it come up in my searches. |
| 04:29.04 | cemiotic | TheWarden: aptitude install cups |
| 04:29.30 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Then why not go to Canon for help and come back here if they don't help? Anyway, yes. Use cups to configure your printers. That's what it's for. (Configure via http://localhost:631 IIRC.) |
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| 04:29.59 | TheWarden | cemiotic: thanks I do know how to install it, first I will learn what it all does though. |
| 04:30.25 | cemiotic | TheWarden: aptitude show cups |
| 04:30.27 | nevyn | TheWarden: so this is a common misconception that vendors know best.. |
| 04:30.34 | ben_ | How do you mount a flash drive in Debian? I'm running xfce. It says "not authorized." |
| 04:30.48 | karlpinc | ben_: man pmount |
| 04:30.54 | TheWarden | karlpinc: Ahh like I said I thought I would just ask but I guess I shouldn't have. Canon isn't even open to call so why would I attempt to call now but for the sack of it I will call on Monday to find out what the hell to do but then that wouldn't be right I'm being told. |
| 04:30.57 | nevyn | TheWarden: it's more like.. vendors are a nessecary evil. |
| 04:31.13 | karlpinc | ben_: You might also want to look into the usbmount package. |
| 04:31.28 | ben_ | karlpinc: i tried that and it couldn't find anything called that |
| 04:31.39 | ben_ | karlpinc: i'll look at usbmount |
| 04:31.40 | TheWarden | well I see your points and they maybe valid but all I can says is someone is going to pay dearly if the damn product I paid for doesn't work. I wouldn't through my money away and I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. |
| 04:31.41 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Just saying, use their stuff, ask them first. But I'd try configuring with cups. |
| 04:32.27 | karlpinc | ben_: aptitude install pmount |
| 04:32.32 | TheWarden | the vender may not be the best but it at least should support Linux and work properly. Why because I paid for a working product. |
| 04:32.34 | karlpinc | !tell ben_ about search |
| 04:32.38 | ben_ | karlpinc: I'm gonna try usbmount. Wish me luck! |
| 04:33.11 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Vendors should feed drivers into the upstream project. Users shouldn't have to think about it. |
| 04:33.16 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: vendors rarely support linux... you should know that |
| 04:33.45 | ksx4system | most vendors are m$ only bitches |
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| 04:34.12 | TheWarden | erawfish_: in the past I would agree but more and more are supporting it and so far I've been fine. If it doesn't support it screw'em I say.. I'm not being force to buy m$ crap. I have the right to choice what I want to use. |
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| 04:34.14 | karlpinc | ksx4system: I'd use the w word. Because they get MS marketing dollars to be that way. |
| 04:34.29 | drvladimirtzu | If I have a friend ssh'd into my box on pts1, how can I open up a term on pts1 so we can share a terminal and goof off? |
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| 04:34.47 | TheWarden | karlpinc: good point, but that's isn't reality. There all out there thinking they can do better but history tells other wise. |
| 04:34.53 | karlpinc | drvladimirtzu: Try using cat as root. |
| 04:35.05 | cemiotic | TheWarden: calm down i'm sure everything'll be okay |
| 04:35.25 | ksx4system | karlpinc: I'd rather buy more expensive but 100% Linux ready hardware, with full support from its vendor |
| 04:35.39 | TheWarden | now should I dare ask what one would suggest to install Wine 1.2.3 (stable)? Three is very little recent information I've been able to find on this matter and so far I'm just doing trial by error. I'm at the moment trying to install via source. |
| 04:35.39 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Eventually the dumb ones will die. Someday MS will go down in flames. I give it less than 10 years, but who knows. They'll always be around, but.... |
| 04:36.14 | karlpinc | !tell TheWarden about stable |
| 04:36.19 | ksx4system | maybe win8 will kill these motherfuckers |
| 04:36.21 | karlpinc | !tell TheWarden about overview |
| 04:36.26 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I think they will die as we know them but they will never die as a company. They will be around in some form or another. Too many people think they are worth being around and have value in the market. Granted they are rich. |
| 04:36.35 | TheWarden | cemiotic: I'm calm |
| 04:36.48 | nvz | I would like any advice turning my netbook into a portable charger... basically lowering its power consumption as much as possible when I'm just using it to charge my phone. so far only ideas I got are rmmod ath5k to turn off wifi, echo 7 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU*/throttling, and hdparm -Y /dev/sda and closing the lid to turn off backlight.. of course the hdd restarts due to logging daemons I guess |
| 04:36.50 | karlpinc | TheWarden: You want the latest stable wine? |
| 04:37.10 | TheWarden | lol Windows 8 sucks so bad.. I've tried the developers preview and I don't understand how an average user is suppose to understand that dang thing. |
| 04:37.20 | nvz | ideally would like to make this able to happen from grub.. turn it on and send it directly into a very low power state |
| 04:37.28 | TheWarden | karlpinc: yup, can't find it in debian sources based on my searching. |
| 04:37.38 | ksx4system | TheWarden: average users reacts like "what? WTF?!" |
| 04:37.40 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Look at dec, and sun, and .... |
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| 04:37.49 | ksx4system | s/reacts/react |
| 04:37.51 | erawfish_ | nvz: get hardware that charges when it's powered off? |
| 04:38.22 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Are you reading the facotids I send you? Debian stable does not have newer stuff. See the factoids for supported ways to get newer stuff. |
| 04:38.24 | ksx4system | erawfish_: buy him some. I think that he asks about his current rig |
| 04:38.36 | Firefishe | Is there a way to control laptop fan speed when there is not pwm circuitry on the main board? |
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| 04:38.41 | Firefishe | not=no |
| 04:38.44 | nvz | erawfish_: heh that would be nice.. as would just a solar battery with USB.. but I'm just wondering if there are any other ways to get that bit of extra time outta the netbook |
| 04:38.44 | TheWarden | lol no way this is funny.. I have CUPS already installed. Not sure what installed it or I must have forgotten. mmm now to read up on the thing. |
| 04:39.00 | TheWarden | ksx4system: lol |
| 04:39.12 | ksx4system | TheWarden: wut? |
| 04:39.14 | erawfish_ | nvz: tried powertop to check for places which waste juice yet? |
| 04:39.18 | nvz | erawfish_: had two batteries with this thing one is dead completely this one only has about 20-30% life left.. just barely enough to charge my phone when needed |
| 04:39.36 | nvz | erawfish_: no actually I forgot all about powertop till you mentioned it |
| 04:39.41 | erawfish_ | and put /var/ onto its own partition and umount it, then it shouldn't wake the hdd |
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| 04:39.55 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I did, and ? |
| 04:40.17 | nvz | erawfish_: and I wonder if single user is better because I know in normal desktop if I leave root logged in it will not shutdown early on a warning voltage, it'll go till it dies |
| 04:40.21 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: there is currently no good way to get a recent WINE for debian unfortunately |
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| 04:40.54 | karlpinc | TheWarden: There's backports. Is it there? If not see the <ssb> factoid. Also the <sns> factoid. You've a reason for wanting the newer version? Tell us and maybe we can figure out how to solve your real problem. |
| 04:41.42 | erawfish_ | karlpinc: please look before you tell people to use backports or create them |
| 04:41.58 | karlpinc | erawfish_: I'm asking him to look. |
| 04:42.02 | nvz | oh well that was one more idea then I had. If both my itouches werent broken right now I'd not have this problem cause I rarely use my phone or my computer when they are usable.. and they have great battery life.. heh |
| 04:42.05 | karlpinc | erawfish_: It's his problem. |
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| 04:42.35 | nvz | you can find digitizers and screens cheap for itouch but I found its harder to find stuff that works |
| 04:44.14 | TheWarden | erawfish_: not even from source? |
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| 04:45.10 | karlpinc | TheWarden: If you must constantly have the very newest stuff perhaps debian is not for you. You can run sid, if you've the computer-fu and want to deal with all the issues. Otherwise I hear arch linux is good for those with sns. You _can_ install from source. See the <stow> and <stow usage> factoids. But there's probably a reason why there's no backport, like there's lots of library dependences that are not satisfied. |
| 04:46.11 | karlpinc | just wants his computer to work without constantly having to fuss with it. I like stable. |
| 04:47.00 | TheWarden | karlpinc: what are you talking about? I never said I wanted the latest stuff ever all I want was to get my printer and scanner working. I did that but looking into CUPS now. As for Wine I was talking about the old version the stable release 1.2.3 the latest is 1.3 and has been for some time that I know of. |
| 04:47.09 | CaptWho | is ext3 preferred for debian? |
| 04:47.20 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Why do you want the newer wine? |
| 04:47.36 | karlpinc | CaptWho: It's the default. ext4 is available too, as are other choices. |
| 04:47.53 | CaptWho | default is the better way to go? |
| 04:48.14 | Dulak | depends on how important your data is, truly |
| 04:48.21 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: unless you have a reason to deviate frm the default |
| 04:48.37 | karlpinc | CaptWho: ext3 is very stable. ext4 perhaps less so, so we're conservative in the default. Especally because stable froze a long time ago. |
| 04:48.43 | TheWarden | karlpinc: cause its more stable and reliable from what I've read online big difference from what is in the repository. Am I missing something here, what is so terrible for the odd app to be installed from source if necessary? For instance I install Firefox 7.0.1 from source. |
| 04:49.10 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: installing ffox from source is a bad idea when there is mozilla.debian.net |
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| 04:49.36 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Did you read footnote 1? Nothing terrible. It's just that you need to be the expert, keep up with security fixes yourself, etc. |
| 04:49.50 | erawfish_ | installing from source is not a bad idea but every single package from source is a little headache to deal with it. yes you can give yourself a monster migraine in the end, but why? |
| 04:50.11 | Dulak | Also Wine is horrible to keep at the latest because every release has performance regression that they constantly have to fix. |
| 04:50.12 | TheWarden | erawfish_: explain to me why is so bad about it? It works fine without issues that I've noticed? |
| 04:50.32 | karlpinc | TheWarden: And things break as other sofware is patched, or can. And dealing with major release upgrades is a do-over. Where'as a stock debian system will upgrade in-place from one release to the next if you follow the release notes. |
| 04:50.41 | TheWarden | karlpinc: I did but that's not what is being said in here. I can handle installing the fixes my self.. hell if I can't do that I better pack this damn thing up an call it quits. |
| 04:50.41 | erawfish_ | first order of business: distro. then: check for made backport, then check for a /msg dpkg ssb, then look for some 3rd party .deb preferably from someone with a clue and then: check upstream or manufacturer for source |
| 04:51.07 | Dulak | Wine is the quintessential example of how staying on the bleeding edge is painful. |
| 04:51.08 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Sure. It's your computer. Go for it. |
| 04:51.29 | TheWarden | karlpinc: that's okay, I can fix it. The little few apps I install from source are installed within one directory not conflicting or messing up with other system files. |
| 04:51.47 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: cause stuff wants a "web-browser" dependency which a .deb iceweasel package provides, your source does not. web browser are constantly exploited, you now have to do your own security audits and updating, etc |
| 04:51.49 | karlpinc | TheWarden: stow can be useful. It's up to you. |
| 04:51.53 | TheWarden | see I'm not following why one is saying bleeding edge. Wine 1.2.3 is not bleeding edge, that would be 1.3 |
| 04:52.20 | Dulak | TheWarden: that works for a couple computers but it doesn't scale well, wheras erawfish_ is trying to preach the scalable solution. |
| 04:52.43 | erawfish_ | Dulak: and it only works for a couple of packages on a single computer too |
| 04:52.48 | karlpinc | TheWarden: There's system libraries. (The classic windows whatever-they-call-their-libs conflicts.) |
| 04:53.10 | Dulak | erawfish_: yeah, I started on slack, I don't miss that at all. |
| 04:53.24 | TheWarden | erawfish_: okay fine, that works for me. Especailly since mozilla.debian.net is so out dated, I need for the browser to be current and keep up with changes. I'm willing to take that rise and responsibility. |
| 04:53.35 | karlpinc | TheWarden: And without packages you have to manually install the required dependent debian packages. It can be tedious. (See the <search> factoid.) |
| 04:53.36 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: how is mdn outdated? |
| 04:53.54 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Debian backports security fixes. |
| 04:54.05 | Dulak | TheWarden: well the 1.3 is ok, you just don't want to be on the most current release is all I'm saying. 1.3.x is pretty good but you gotta pick the right one in that branch. |
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| 04:54.19 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: you can get everything up to aurora which is currently 9.0 I think |
| 04:54.33 | karlpinc | TheWarden: Anyhow. Good luck. |
| 04:54.44 | TheWarden | I agree folks but I can handle the risks like I said... I need my Firefox to be current. Its change and yet from what I can tell mdn is only at 3.6 |
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| 04:54.58 | TheWarden | erawfish_: What, really, I didn't see that on the page at all. |
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| 04:55.05 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: then you didn't look |
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| 04:55.25 | erawfish_ | by default you get 7.x btw from the page |
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| 04:56.40 | TheWarden | erawfish_: I did, there is no mention of version number. It says 3.0, 3.5, 3.6, beta and aurora. No were does it tell you up front the version I'm getting and how that compares to Mozilla release. That is my confusion. I follow them quit closes. |
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| 04:57.02 | erawfish_ | no it says "release" and what is the current release for firefox? and what is the current aurora? |
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| 04:57.43 | erawfish_ | and this is an automated webpage if you haven't noticed, which means it can stay like it is for the whole duration of squeeze being stable |
| 04:58.49 | OldParr | is really stable compared to fedora |
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| 04:58.59 | TheWarden | erawfish_: well that isn't very clear, that is an assumption that Iceweasel and icedove are current in comparison to Mozilla's releases. well that is cool the automation part but I like to have all info up front so I can make a decision. if we didn't have this convo I wouldn't have ever known that. |
| 04:59.03 | erawfish_ | OldParr: english? |
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| 04:59.45 | OldParr | is really stable in comparison to fedora |
| 05:00.04 | TheWarden | erawfish_: now I know so, I'll give it a go with this distribution of Firefox then. |
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| 05:00.36 | Dulak | OldParr: yes squeeze is very stable in comparison to fedora, if that's what you are asking. |
| 05:00.56 | OldParr | nothing is perfect |
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| 05:01.52 | TheWarden | of course not but how was I to do that. I never like to make assumptions and being that I've always follow Mozilla over the many many years I would have never though both would be the same. |
| 05:03.29 | TheWarden | well thanks for the interesting conversation. I'll be off now. uninstall Firefox 7.01 and installing Iceweasel and figuring out CUPS. |
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| 05:12.28 | Lymia | Is there a way to downgrade to Gnome 2? |
| 05:13.00 | Lymia | I can't say for sure, but it seems to be the source of a lot of problems I have right now. |
| 05:13.18 | Marezz | Lymia: I dont think there is |
| 05:14.24 | Lymia | (Also: aaa this firefox theme o.o) |
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| 05:16.16 | erawfish_ | Lymia: install debian stable instead for testing and you have pure gnome2 |
| 05:17.06 | Lymia | ^^;; |
| 05:17.07 | Lymia | Umm.. |
| 05:17.11 | Lymia | Might be a little late for that. |
| 05:17.59 | erawfish_ | then don't use gnome, but use something like xfce |
| 05:18.14 | Lymia | I suppose that'd be a solution. |
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| 05:33.51 | TheWarden | lol turns out the Canon driver I installed installed CUPS and configured it. now to learn how to set the settings I want, no luck so far. |
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| 05:34.18 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: which printer is it? |
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| 05:39.50 | TheWarden | MX340 |
| 05:40.46 | TheWarden | CUPS 1.4.4-7 |
| 05:41.06 | erawfish_ | ,versions cups |
| 05:41.07 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; squeeze: 1.4.4-7; wheezy: 1.5.0-8; sid: 1.5.0-10 |
| 05:41.20 | erawfish_ | that doesn't look like a canon provided cups |
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| 05:42.55 | mick_laptop | anyone else update libpam and have dovecot break? |
| 05:43.55 | TheWarden | no no I mean it has configured it with my printer at install. I checked the canon deb files and it contains cups files, I assume for configuration. Still new to this so not sure what it has done but the printer is there in CUPS |
| 05:44.15 | TheWarden | just wish I could solve my questions regarding it, it shall be interesting talking to Canon I guess. |
| 05:45.04 | TheWarden | CUPS doesn't have a printer driver for my printer anyways so it appears the direction I went is correct unless there is a compatible/compatible driver but I have no idea what that would be. |
| 05:45.27 | TheWarden | comparable* |
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| 05:50.49 | mick_laptop | TheWarden: a long time ago I ended up writing a printer driver. I found one that almost worked and I tweaked it |
| 05:51.00 | mick_laptop | TheWarden: what kind of printer? |
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| 05:57.15 | mick_laptop | TheWarden: pro tip, the higher end ones usually have a postscript interface where a generic ps driver works well |
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| 05:59.17 | mick_laptop | i thought that since osx works w/ pretty much all modern printers - that these issues don't exist anymore |
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| 06:01.34 | erawfish_ | mick_laptop: great pro top for a consumer canon ink printer |
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| 06:05.05 | CaptWho | is there a sysinstall package in the debian shell like freebsd has? |
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| 06:09.00 | bocaneri | What's sysinstall? |
| 06:10.19 | in2tactics | i think it's freebsd version of tasksel |
| 06:10.48 | in2tactics | or maybe similiar to aptitude |
| 06:11.23 | yagoo | CaptWho, I never used freebsd in my LIFE |
| 06:12.01 | CaptWho | thought ppl might be familiar with fbsd since there's a debian build based on it |
| 06:12.29 | in2tactics | eh, a kernel fork with it is hardly a build |
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| 06:14.15 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: you still haven't answered the question |
| 06:14.57 | yagoo | bs |
| 06:15.34 | erawfish_ | yagoo: ? |
| 06:15.56 | CaptWho | erawfish_, what question is that? |
| 06:16.03 | erawfish_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:16.21 | erawfish_ | in particular: what do you want that is provided by sysinstall on freebsd |
| 06:16.49 | yagoo | wonders what happened to the dast project |
| 06:17.18 | yagoo | hey folks.. guess what.. the latest ubuntu 11.10 sux |
| 06:17.19 | yagoo | lol |
| 06:17.20 | bocaneri | It's idiotic to *expect* linux people to know slightest goddamn thing about any of the bsds. |
| 06:17.23 | CaptWho | sorry, it's the root system configuration package for freebsd. lets you have access to packages, system configuration, filesystems, etc... |
| 06:17.32 | yagoo | their shutdown/restart scripts stall on tty1 |
| 06:17.45 | erawfish_ | yagoo: do you have a debian related question? |
| 06:17.51 | yagoo | CaptWho, if you wanna know debian how flexible it can be.. there's debootstrap |
| 06:18.11 | yagoo | erawfish_, i'm trying to say to avoid it. for CaptWho |
| 06:18.23 | yagoo | (cli -wise) |
| 06:18.33 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: aptitude, apt-get. debconf for system config, access to filesystems makes no sense to me, the linux kernel does that already |
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| 06:19.52 | CaptWho | so i just installed gnome on a base system... startx seems to be having trouble. is there a better way of starting it? |
| 06:20.06 | yagoo | CaptWho, you should look into dbus.. i can't compare to whatever is on fbsd.. but looks like DBus and udev are the big players for linux |
| 06:20.22 | TheWarden | mick_laptop: It's a Canon PIXMA MX340 all-in-one printer. I took the drivers from Canon and they appear to work. |
| 06:20.29 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: trouble how? |
| 06:20.53 | yagoo | TheWarden, cool |
| 06:21.01 | yagoo | TheWarden, was it easy? |
| 06:21.06 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: normally, gnome installs gdm and X is then automatically started. you should give us the error message if any |
| 06:21.07 | CaptWho | it changes the font size and leaves me in kind of a small font shell |
| 06:21.24 | danpsy | I have a (*.sh) file that compiles out (*.o) files for all of my assets used in my application. Example: echo Building fade... (newline) g++ -o obj/fade_png.o -c obj/fade_png.cpp However, it reports that it cannot find the obj/fade_png.cpp file. If I just copy and paste the g++ line directly into my terminal, it compiles just fine. I also cd into the working directory at the very top of the file. |
| 06:21.25 | in2tactics | CaptWho: did you configx for your driver? |
| 06:21.27 | yagoo | CaptWho, you tried dpkg-reconfigure console ? |
| 06:21.28 | danpsy | What could I be doing wrong? |
| 06:21.37 | TheWarden | yagoo: yes very easy and I got my scanner to work. I did have to go to the Asia web site of Canon to get the driver though. The North American one didn't have it. |
| 06:22.07 | erawfish_ | danpsy: wrong cd statement. but you do it wrong: what you want is a Makefile |
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| 06:22.24 | yagoo | danpsy, maybe you should study your makerule file |
| 06:22.28 | TheWarden | yagoo: I downloaded it, did a tar xf filename, and then run install.sh and follow the prompts. |
| 06:22.55 | yagoo | TheWarden, that's good.. |
| 06:23.00 | erawfish_ | yagoo: what is a makerule file? |
| 06:23.19 | yagoo | TheWarden, thought they would give a certain procedure like-- copy a pcf here then upload it to cups.. |
| 06:23.25 | TheWarden | I guess got my wife's android phone to print to the printer as well for free and hell it scans docs to the phone too. pretty cool Canon EPP app. |
| 06:23.45 | TheWarden | yagoo: nope it appears to do things like it should but I'm no expert. The printer shows up in CUPS just fine. |
| 06:24.20 | yagoo | TheWarden, that's good.. btw you should be able to study what that script does.. u know sometimes non-repo packages can break things with their tar stuff |
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| 06:25.39 | yagoo | TheWarden, if you search really well with apt-get if your printer supported anywhere and it isn't.. maybe you want to make a reportbug to have an installer .deb that can automatically download that tarball and have post-scripts install it |
| 06:25.40 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: where exactly do you have these small fonts? |
| 06:25.49 | CaptWho | in2tactics, is configx a package that needs to install |
| 06:25.53 | yagoo | (i mean if you have already search"ed") |
| 06:26.14 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: no. it's nothing at all. what videocard do you have? |
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| 06:26.41 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: it was possibly missing a space. "config X" |
| 06:26.53 | CaptWho | erawfish_, the small fonts appear on the screen with a black background. looks just like a shell, but x seems to be running |
| 06:27.18 | erawfish_ | are you in X or are you in a graphical console via frame buffer? |
| 06:27.40 | CaptWho | probaby a graphical console |
| 06:27.42 | erawfish_ | if you are in X, the "shell" won't fill the full screen for starters. and gnome doesn't have a shell open by default either |
| 06:27.51 | erawfish_ | that's the framebuffer |
| 06:27.57 | CaptWho | and config doesn't seem to be installed |
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| 06:28.23 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: dpkg-reconfigure console-tools |
| 06:29.06 | yagoo | TheWarden, you never used reportbug? |
| 06:29.21 | CaptWho | pkg-tools is not installed |
| 06:29.23 | TheWarden | yagoo: ahh maybe not sure exactly how to go about doing what you are suggesting. Plus I got feedback from here stating that I shouldn't be install it and just use CUPS but I don't see any driver for my printer with it anyways. |
| 06:29.29 | erawfish_ | !tell CaptWho about installit |
| 06:29.34 | TheWarden | yagoo: nope I haven’t actually. |
| 06:29.36 | CaptWho | soooo... apt-get pkg-tools? |
| 06:29.43 | erawfish_ | TheWarden: reportbug is the wrong tool anyways |
| 06:30.17 | TheWarden | see lol |
| 06:30.17 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: what is "pkg-tools" supposed to mean? |
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| 06:30.30 | CaptWho | crud, my bad |
| 06:31.03 | yagoo | !wnp |
| 06:31.11 | yagoo | wnpp that's what i meant |
| 06:31.18 | yagoo | btw.. |
| 06:31.24 | yagoo | TheWarden, what model was it? |
| 06:31.38 | CaptWho | console-tools not available either |
| 06:31.39 | yagoo | TheWarden, (did u try apt-cache search pcf) ? |
| 06:31.45 | erawfish_ | ,versions console-tools |
| 06:31.47 | judd | Package: console-tools on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.2.3dbs-65.1; squeeze: 1:0.2.3dbs-69.1; sid: 1:0.2.3dbs-70; wheezy: 1:0.2.3dbs-70 |
| 06:32.03 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: sounds like your sources.list isn't set up correctly |
| 06:32.17 | TheWarden | yagoo: its a Canon MX340, no I haven't and not sure what you are meaning and suggesting to achieve. |
| 06:32.20 | yagoo | CaptWho, try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 06:32.28 | in2tactics | CaptWho: what i meant by configx was simply have you configured your xorg server for your video card and resolution before tryin to startx |
| 06:33.22 | CaptWho | in2tactics, no, i was hoping that it would just recognize it |
| 06:33.36 | CaptWho | and should i use UTF-8 enconding? |
| 06:33.45 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: it usually does. but as you have seen, you didn't start X yet |
| 06:33.56 | erawfish_ | utf8 is the default, imho yes you should |
| 06:35.15 | CaptWho | recommendations on a character set? |
| 06:35.33 | TheWarden | yagoo: I did that what you said and it just came up with fonts |
| 06:36.33 | yagoo | TheWarden, i did apt-cache search cups-- i looked at the wiki-- but you know -- it's basically 'cups', 'foomatic', 'pcf' 'ppd' terms i use to search for anything related to printing |
| 06:36.55 | yagoo | (eg: apt-cache search ppd, or apt-cache search cups) |
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| 06:37.07 | yagoo | TheWarden, http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Canon_.28PPD.29 |
| 06:37.32 | yagoo | TheWarden, it says to download this .exe and extract it's zip header.. but those files may already be in a package.. |
| 06:38.02 | yagoo | TheWarden, but it doesn't damage the system if u simply extract a tarball to inject those whatever files to places cups looks for |
| 06:38.21 | CaptWho | there isn't a character set that looks even vaguely compatable to me. greek? hebrew?... sheesh |
| 06:38.39 | cemiotic | che search cups-- i looked at the wiki-- but |
| 06:38.40 | cemiotic | +you know -- it's basically 'cuche search cups-- i looked at the wiki-- but |
| 06:38.48 | TheWarden | yagoo: true, but it works for me so no use at least in my eyes. |
| 06:38.49 | cemiotic | sorry |
| 06:39.16 | yagoo | TheWarden, that's good.. but just sayin that's how i do things.. |
| 06:39.25 | TheWarden | well I better get off to bed. take care all. |
| 06:39.34 | yagoo | TheWarden, i of course if i exhausted what i have in the repositories.. then i'd do what you did.. |
| 06:39.36 | yagoo | :) |
| 06:39.37 | TheWarden | yagoo: okay, well thanks for the tip. Take care. |
| 06:39.39 | yagoo | bye :) |
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| 06:49.38 | yagoo | any debianers toy around with camcorders? Would like to know a fairly good model to checkout purchasing.. consider compliancy with debian or any linux kernel.. |
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| 06:53.55 | CaptWho | okay, so i got X to boot to a grey window with an "x" cursor that responds to a mouse, but nothing else. any ideas now? |
| 06:54.19 | in2tactics | CaptWho: you need a window manager |
| 06:54.48 | CaptWho | would the window manager be considered to be gnome? |
| 06:54.51 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: yes. run or install a window manager. if you want most stuff done for you: install gnome, xfce or kde. or you can install any other wm you want |
| 06:54.57 | in2tactics | CaptWho: e.g. gnome, kde, pekwm |
| 06:55.11 | erawfish_ | no. gnome is a desktop environment and contains a window manager among a lot of other software |
| 06:55.28 | in2tactics | erawfish_: now we are just getting into symantics |
| 06:55.39 | yagoo | CaptWho, i prefer using a login daemon.. like gdm (there's also kdm) |
| 06:55.53 | in2tactics | erawfish_: i don't think CaptWho cares about splitting hairs over the definition of a wm |
| 06:56.11 | erawfish_ | it's not splitting hairs |
| 06:56.24 | yagoo | cant wait for his miniitx to comein |
| 06:56.38 | CaptWho | i've used gnome2 and i liked it. ubuntu going to gnome3 really sucked and that's why i'm switching to debian |
| 06:56.48 | erawfish_ | !tell CaptWho about install gnome |
| 06:56.56 | yagoo | CaptWho, um.. u should install gnome-classic |
| 06:57.07 | yagoo | CaptWho, offtopic (ubuntu->apt-get install gnome-classic) |
| 06:57.18 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: in wheezy, approximately another 18 months, there will be gnome3 and no more gnome2. gnome foundations stopped development of gnome2 so it will go away |
| 06:57.23 | yagoo | thinks latest ubuntu sux too |
| 06:57.36 | yagoo | CaptWho, keep it simple |
| 06:57.58 | CaptWho | is gnome classic = gnome2? |
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| 06:58.06 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: no |
| 06:58.09 | yagoo | CaptWho, AHEM (#UBUNTU) |
| 06:58.57 | CaptWho | the people in the #ubuntu forum said get debian |
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| 06:59.38 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: they said !notunity and the bot showed you something |
| 06:59.59 | yagoo | CaptWho, you can have unity as a choice. #ubuntu. (don't listen to the noobs) |
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| 07:00.53 | yagoo | CaptWho, btw.. if you are on ubuntu then don't bother discussing your system. lightdm seems very ubuntu |
| 07:00.54 | in2tactics | that's awesome, i like how ubuntu folks told you to get debian |
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| 07:01.13 | erawfish_ | in2tactics: they like to give bad advice over there |
| 07:01.24 | in2tactics | erawfish_: go figure, they are using ubuntu afterall |
| 07:01.41 | yagoo | in2tactics, ubuntu is getting rid of /etc/rcX.d paths.. |
| 07:01.49 | yagoo | so any ubuntu people coming here shouldn't. |
| 07:02.01 | yagoo | cli-wise it'll be pretty differnt |
| 07:02.37 | CaptWho | so you're saying that i could install ubuntu and do !nounity (which i'm not familiar with) |
| 07:02.49 | CaptWho | !nounity |
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| 07:02.57 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: if you are in the #ubuntu channel, type !notunity and ubottu will answer |
| 07:02.58 | yagoo | lol |
| 07:03.03 | in2tactics | now i think we are just confusing the poor guy |
| 07:03.44 | zykotick9 | CaptWho, if you want Gnome2 use Debian or Ubuntu 10.04LTS - you can't put gnome2 onto current ubuntu - gnome3 fallback yes, but gnome2 NO. |
| 07:04.54 | CaptWho | got it, that's what i'm looking for |
| 07:05.31 | CaptWho | what's the package name for gnome2 in debian? |
| 07:05.40 | in2tactics | or just to make things even more confusing! he could just install whatever flavor of linux he cares to and manually compile all the dependencies while installing gnome2] |
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| 07:05.49 | zykotick9 | !gnome install |
| 07:06.02 | CaptWho | !gnome install |
| 07:06.12 | zykotick9 | !install gnome |
| 07:06.12 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 07:06.25 | zykotick9 | CaptWho, that's all Gnome2 |
| 07:06.43 | yagoo | CaptWho, i see your in #ubuntu. The packagenames can start become differnt.. unity is not a debian thing. |
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| 07:09.52 | CaptWho | okay... it's running |
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| 07:10.05 | CaptWho | wish me luck, i'm not smelling smoke yet |
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| 07:13.38 | in2tactics | yagoo: isn't rcx.d a variation on the sysv setup? i distinctly remember my old slackware distro using rc.d with each run-level definition inside the folder, of course this was after slackware started added the sysv stuff over the traditional BSD initialization scripts |
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| 07:17.59 | in2tactics | yagoo: actually, if i remember correctly, slackware used BSD init with a tail on the end that referenced sysv init and used the rc.d folder to definite those run-levels |
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| 07:18.16 | in2tactics | i think i'm a little offtopic, sorry |
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| 07:30.20 | mirrakor_ | Hi there, one question, I'm trying to build a package with debuild -S, but it tells me it can't find my private key ... |
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| 07:30.58 | mirrakor_ | this is probably due to the given address is a 2nd userid (so a second email address) added to the original key - is this a known problem? |
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| 07:37.02 | mirrakor_ | oh my, my grandma warned me to use debian :D |
| 07:37.29 | in2tactics | mirrakor_: lol?? |
| 07:37.54 | mirrakor_ | she said it drove my father mad :D |
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| 07:38.14 | caemir | why ? |
| 07:38.27 | mirrakor_ | (though I'm not sure if she meant the laptop in general or debian explicitly) |
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| 07:39.49 | mirrakor_ | Well to elaborate it is my mothers mother and my father well is not that much into her as my mum is and took the laptop to her and was working on some script and when dinner was ready it was always "yeah, just a sec, let me finish that line first" |
| 07:40.02 | yagoo | mirrakor_, drove your dad mad.. because your dad advised you rather than warning you to use debian |
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| 07:40.10 | mirrakor_ | (I think he was fast, he came within 15 minutes :D ) |
| 07:40.24 | in2tactics | a tad offtopic imo |
| 07:40.40 | mirrakor_ | true indeed, so back to the original problem :D |
| 07:41.21 | mirrakor_ | I run debuild -S and would like to use an email-address that is not the one i created the key with |
| 07:41.41 | yagoo | mirrakor_, maybe the private key is in your private parts where daddy put it |
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| 07:41.53 | mirrakor_ | uhm |
| 07:42.28 | in2tactics | wow, that's not very helpful |
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| 07:59.56 | ErVito | hi guyz, does anyone know in which package is iwconfig?? |
| 08:00.13 | peterrooney | ErVito: apt-file knows |
| 08:00.21 | ErVito | i don't have it and i installed iw... |
| 08:00.48 | peterrooney | ErVito: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search iwconfig |
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| 08:03.19 | TheNumb | ErVito: package.debian.org and search for a file ;] |
| 08:03.32 | TheNumb | ErVito: It says: wireless-tools |
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| 08:04.46 | ErVito | TheNumb: thx |
| 08:04.59 | ErVito | i've also seen it is in /sbin |
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| 08:05.31 | ErVito | another stupid question: shouldn't it be in /bin? |
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| 08:07.49 | in2tactics | ErVito: why would it be in /bin? /sbin makes more sense imo |
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| 08:10.39 | erawfish_ | both ifconfig and iwconfig are in /sbin since only admins normally use them |
| 08:10.50 | in2tactics | ErVito: for filesystem info http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
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| 08:32.25 | ErVito | Guyz, what do i have to do in this passage: 7. Configure your wireless interface as appropriate. ? (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73) |
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| 08:33.05 | ErVito | I mean, ifconfig wlan0 up doesn't print anything |
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| 08:33.30 | ErVito | and any wi-fi connection is in wicd |
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| 08:34.33 | jsoft | :( waiting for hdd to be erased is zzz |
| 08:34.45 | clinton | I've been having some memory error problems. I've fixed them now, but I'm concerned I've got corrupted files on my system. Is there any way to automatically checksum all the files on my system and check them against what is in the debian archives, correcting them if necessary? |
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| 08:45.51 | thelastninja | ErVito:ifconfig wlan0 up must now show any thing, you must check whether your wlan0 is up or not using ifconfig |
| 08:45.57 | erawfish_ | clinton: debsums |
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| 08:47.06 | thelastninja | <must not> |
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| 08:47.34 | erawfish_ | ErVito: you need to config your new wlan interface via /etc/network/interfaces or via network manager or whatever. basically tell it to ues dhcp and provide your WPA passwords mainly |
| 08:48.24 | erawfish_ | ErVito: I suggest you do a iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 08:49.41 | ErVito | ok, i know...but...wicd doesn't show any connection, so, 1) i've installed firmware-ralink 2) i've checked iwconfig "see" the usb adapter 3) i looked for a connection on wicd, so, where i went wrong? |
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| 08:50.15 | Reith | sorry guys... but do anyone know `emerge -fvp ` possible equivalence for Debian? |
| 08:51.06 | Reith | i mean force debian to show file urls must be downloaded without install them... |
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| 08:52.11 | babilen | Reith: apt-zip / apt-walkabout are worth a look |
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| 08:52.20 | babilen | !tell Reith about apt-zip |
| 08:52.34 | Reith | babilen: very thanks :) |
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| 08:53.28 | illegalc0de | hi |
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| 08:55.01 | babilen | ErVito: fwiw "iwlist wlan0 scan" should list networks and "iwconfig wlan0" should show that the interface has wireless extensions. You can then configure the interface using one of the methods detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 08:55.51 | illegalc0de | dont know what happened there, but lost all internet connection :( |
| 08:55.53 | ErVito | babilen: yeah, so i didn't anything wrong. i'm just now installin nm |
| 08:56.00 | illegalc0de | back now :) |
| 08:56.32 | babilen | ErVito: All right -- Do you see networks when you run "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" ? If so the device is working properly |
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| 09:02.26 | ErVito | babilen: exactly...no scan result :-/ |
| 09:02.44 | illegalc0de | right now im booted up and ready, im trying to make a live image using 'lb' but when i tell it what packages and package lists to use it tells me some are not found, have i got something wrong somewhere in the rest of the config or what? any help would be nice please. |
| 09:03.40 | CaptWho | any idea what the wifi interface is in gnome and how to activate it? |
| 09:04.25 | mirrakor_ | CaptWho: what exactly do you want to know/do? You wanna know how your card is called or how to connect yourself to a wlan with a gnome interface? |
| 09:04.47 | CaptWho | trying to connect to a wlan |
| 09:05.15 | CaptWho | wireless isn't showing up |
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| 09:06.22 | babilen | ErVito: Ok, what does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 09:06.41 | CaptWho | i have wireless tools installed and still no-go |
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| 09:08.08 | ErVito | CaptWho: you aren't the only one |
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| 09:08.42 | CaptWho | could it be a device driver issue? |
| 09:08.58 | babilen | CaptWho: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 09:10.07 | illegalc0de | chroot file - LB_REPOSITORIES="main contrib non-free" LB_PACKAGES="apache2 mysql-server playonlinux" LB_PACKAGES_LISTS="gnome php" - it says 'package playonlinux not found' and 'package list php not found' |
| 09:10.45 | CaptWho | babilen, nothing |
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| 09:11.15 | ErVito | babilen: wait...wait...i'm solving with nm (i've "discovered" that wicd doesn't work with wifi-usb-adapters) |
| 09:11.35 | babilen | CaptWho: What kind of wireless adaptor is installed in your box? If it is an USB one then please paste the "lsusb" output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:12.03 | babilen | waits |
| 09:12.10 | CaptWho | it's an internal adapter |
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| 09:12.29 | CaptWho | adaptor |
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| 09:12.34 | babilen | CaptWho: Ok, then paste the complete output of "lspci -knn" and "lsusb" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:13.38 | ErVito | why adaptor and not adapter? O.o |
| 09:13.43 | babilen | both work |
| 09:14.49 | ErVito | :o okaey |
| 09:15.19 | babilen | It might be argued that "adaptor" is a *persons" and an "adapter" is an inanimate objects. In which case my usage of the word was wrong. FWIW I use them as synonyms, but that discussion is off-topic here. → #debian-offtopic |
| 09:15.31 | babilen | s/persons"/person*/ |
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| 09:23.01 | linux-fox | hi,all |
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| 09:24.58 | CaptWho | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/141156/ |
| 09:25.26 | CaptWho | that was a pain in the butt... had to copy to a thumbdrive and bring over to this puter |
| 09:25.53 | linux-fox | what |
| 09:26.55 | CaptWho | pings babilen |
| 09:26.56 | babilen | CaptWho: You could have told me that the box in question does not have network connectivity. Sadly debugging these issues with a latency like that will be painful, so I have to adjust my questions. But well, lets take a look. |
| 09:28.17 | CaptWho | babilen, and after all that, i have it on a wired network now |
| 09:28.43 | CaptWho | but the chat window is on another box |
| 09:30.11 | babilen | CaptWho: Well, we will manage won't we. No sign of your wireless card could be found. Is it by chance turned off in the BIOS? Which version of Debian are you running? Is this by chance an EeePC and if so which model? |
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| 09:31.26 | babilen | CaptWho: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models?action=show&redirect=DebianEeePC%2FModel might be of value if your box is in fact an EeePC |
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| 09:32.02 | CaptWho | it's an eepc4 and |
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| 09:32.16 | CaptWho | eeepc4 |
| 09:32.50 | CaptWho | what's the command to get the os version #? |
| 09:32.59 | CaptWho | dmesg scrolled off the screen |
| 09:33.06 | linux-fox | more /etc/debian-version |
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| 09:33.12 | linux-fox | dmsg |
| 09:33.44 | babilen | CaptWho: I've never heard of that model. To my knowledge EeePC use alphanumerical identifiers like 701, 1101HA, ... Which one is it? You can get the Debian version with "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 09:33.49 | Aziroshin | CaptWho: uname *might* help in case you are interested in kernel stuff. |
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| 09:35.22 | CaptWho | the version is 6.0.3 |
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| 09:36.06 | CaptWho | and the model number is eee pc 4g |
| 09:37.14 | babilen | CaptWho: Old one from 2007? |
| 09:37.31 | CaptWho | http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_4G/ |
| 09:37.46 | erawfish_ | babilen: one of the very earliest eee pcs. also known as eee pc 701 IIRC |
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| 09:38.44 | babilen | erawfish_: Yes, I thought that it is the 701, but wanted to clarify that first. It looks as if that device comes with AR242x |
| 09:38.56 | CaptWho | i'm not sure what year... i thought it was newer than that, guessing about 2 years |
| 09:38.58 | babilen | !ar242x |
| 09:38.59 | dpkg | [ar242x] Atheros AR5006* (AR2423, AR2424) PCI wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the <ath5k> driver included in Debian Lenny's 2.6.26 kernel. Atheros AR5007* (AR2425) PCI-E chipsets are supported by ath5k since Linux 2.6.27; Lenny users, ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel version for device use. |
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| 09:39.31 | ALM48 | hallo |
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| 09:39.43 | erawfish_ | babilen: how does that help when it's not showing in lspci? ath5k devices will work out of the box, nothing needing to be done |
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| 09:40.26 | babilen | CaptWho: Well, we would need the real name of that model. See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC for an overview of the model timeline. |
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| 09:40.44 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: do you have a "wlan switch" or such on the netbook? |
| 09:40.49 | babilen | erawfish_: Yeah, it would just be great to know which hardware we are actually working on first. |
| 09:40.56 | erawfish_ | maybe you can enable/disable your WLAN in BIOS |
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| 09:41.39 | babilen | is sure CaptWho would have answered that question earlier ... But it is worth it to explicitly check it. |
| 09:41.56 | CaptWho | it was enabled when i was running ubuntu |
| 09:42.11 | deuterium | re, is the following apt sources.list correct for squeeze? http://dpaste.com/644009/ |
| 09:42.15 | CaptWho | there's no switch on thhe chassis |
| 09:42.26 | Aziroshin | Would it be a lot of a hassle to run that ubuntu again (from a stick, for instance?) |
| 09:42.39 | Aziroshin | As that would allow way easier access to the requested information. |
| 09:42.55 | babilen | deuterium: yes |
| 09:43.03 | deuterium | babilen: thanks |
| 09:43.17 | ErVito | babilen: however...i didn't solved. I installed nm and I set the connection but it try to connect for few minutes then it fails |
| 09:43.29 | ErVito | so, try to restart from the last command |
| 09:43.36 | ErVito | since*? |
| 09:44.31 | Aziroshin | CaptWho: A hackish and officially certainly not recommended method would be to try the ubuntu kernel and initrd with the debian install and see what happens. If it works, surely a lot of information is gained. |
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| 09:45.25 | CaptWho | i blew away the stick when i stuck debian on it |
| 09:45.32 | ErVito | he left :-/ |
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| 09:46.24 | ErVito | however `lspci -nn | grep -i network` doesn't print anything |
| 09:46.40 | erawfish_ | ErVito: cause you said you have a usb device |
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| 09:46.46 | Kromgol | Hola! |
| 09:46.53 | ErVito | erawfish_: so, it's normal |
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| 09:46.56 | erawfish_ | ErVito: what does dmesg say about your wlan? any errors or other messages? |
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| 09:48.53 | CaptWho | babilen, it's looking like it's the 701 4G |
| 09:48.55 | ErVito | erawfish_: it says... rt73usb 1-2:1.0: firmware: requesting rt73.bin |
| 09:49.08 | erawfish_ | ErVito: it will say a lot more |
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| 09:50.53 | CaptWho | did babilen go poof? |
| 09:51.28 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: he left |
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| 09:51.38 | CaptWho | dang |
| 09:51.52 | ex-parrot | can anyone explain to me how mouseemu interacts with the sysctl mac_hid mouse button emulation stuff on powerpc under debian? |
| 09:52.18 | ex-parrot | mouseemu seems to come installed by default in squeeze |
| 09:52.30 | ex-parrot | does it offer any advantage over the in-kernel emulation though? |
| 09:52.38 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 09:52.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:53.19 | ex-parrot | boudiccas: if that was directed at me I apologise, I'll tone down my use of the enter key :) |
| 09:53.37 | ErVito | erawfish_: http://pastebin.com/NNkg417i |
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| 09:56.25 | erawfish_ | !tell ex-parrot -about ppc |
| 09:57.01 | prophet | hi guys, can anyone help me in a multiboot problem? osx+win7+lmde (it's a debian flavour - linuxmint debian edition) |
| 09:57.10 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 09:57.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:57.29 | erawfish_ | prophet: we only support debian, not mint which is not debian |
| 09:57.29 | ex-parrot | erawfish_: thanks but what am I looking for here? I already looked in the ppc docs and didn't find mention of the relative merits of mouseemu and the in kernel emulation |
| 09:57.49 | prophet | erawfish_: ok |
| 09:57.50 | erawfish_ | ex-parrot: best ask the channel for ppc. they know more about it |
| 09:58.14 | erawfish_ | !tell prophet about lmde |
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| 09:58.38 | ex-parrot | oh right, thanks erawfish_ |
| 09:59.22 | CaptWho | so i went into the bios and wlan was disabled :-( |
| 09:59.38 | boudiccas | doh! |
| 09:59.38 | CaptWho | and i have no idea how that happened because i haven't been in there |
| 09:59.46 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: you have an atheros chip for wlan and ethernet both. but you need to make the kernel see the wlan pci device before debian can use it. Even if debian wouldn't support the device, it shows all pci devices with lspci. so you |
| 09:59.51 | erawfish_ | thought so |
| 09:59.51 | prophet | erawfish_: i already did that, but i hoped that someone in here had a similar experience since is not quite a distribution specific problem but more a general-linux one. anyway, i described it in detail here http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=189&t=84504&start=0 |
| 10:00.09 | ErVito | erawfish_: i see only requesting rt73.bin and wlan0: link is not ready |
| 10:00.25 | ErVito | erawfish_: do you see something more? |
| 10:00.34 | CaptWho | i'm really sorry about that, |
| 10:00.42 | CaptWho | should it autodetect now? |
| 10:00.55 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: yes |
| 10:01.40 | CaptWho | just reboot and see? |
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| 10:02.29 | erawfish_ | ErVito: try wicd or edit the interfaces file as describe in the wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse article instead of nm |
| 10:02.46 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: you were in the BIOS. you rebooted already. it should be enabled by now |
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| 10:04.02 | ErVito | erawfish_: i know that wicd doesn't work with usp-adapters, is it right or wrong? I tried wicd before nm but...it didn't detect the wlan!! |
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| 10:04.14 | erawfish_ | ErVito: why would wicd not work with usb devices? |
| 10:04.27 | erawfish_ | ErVito: what does iwconfig say? |
| 10:04.47 | ErVito | erawfish_: it has been said to me from others users |
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| 10:05.02 | ErVito | erawfish_: iwconfig "see" de adapter |
| 10:05.22 | erawfish_ | ErVito: and its name is? |
| 10:05.25 | ErVito | my wlan is hidden, so i suppose scan doesn't see it |
| 10:05.43 | erawfish_ | duh. btw: hidden SSID is worthless |
| 10:05.50 | CaptWho | so i did the lspci and grepped for network and i'm seeing one now |
| 10:06.20 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: run iwconfig it should show a device now for your wlan |
| 10:06.52 | ErVito | erawfish_: do you want the name of the adapter shown by iwconfig? |
| 10:06.56 | CaptWho | i'm seeing it now |
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| 10:07.49 | ErVito | erawfish_: the problem is that in nm i can manually set my wlan but i don't know how to do it with wicd |
| 10:09.10 | CaptWho | where am i going to get controlability for it? i don't see anything in preferences or administration |
| 10:10.04 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: which desktop environment do you run? |
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| 10:11.14 | CaptWho | i'm running gnome2 |
| 10:11.29 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#NetworkManager |
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| 10:12.55 | illegalc0de | ok i think ive got it, but how do i set the root password for the live image? |
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| 10:16.02 | streuner_ | Why would somebody want to set a root password in a live-CD? :-) |
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| 10:16.19 | skilz_ | what do I need to install to watch youtube? |
| 10:16.27 | streuner_ | !flash |
| 10:16.28 | skilz_ | for iceweasel |
| 10:16.28 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 10:16.36 | erawfish_ | !tell skilz_ about adobe flash |
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| 10:17.39 | illegalc0de | im looking for a way to set the root password before the live image is built by the way^^^ |
| 10:19.19 | CaptWho | erawfish_, thanks man, you're awesome... got it running |
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| 10:19.55 | skilz_ | How can I change my laptop monitors refresh rate? |
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| 10:20.31 | valdyn | skilz_: with xrandr - but why would you want to change refresh rate? |
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| 10:21.13 | ErVito | erawfish_: do you suggest me to install wicd? How can i manually set my hidden wlan? |
| 10:21.36 | skilz_ | valdyn: Its really flickery on white images |
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| 10:21.41 | skilz_ | like web surfing |
| 10:21.48 | valdyn | skilz_: that does not make sense |
| 10:21.48 | skilz_ | it's an old IBM think pad |
| 10:21.58 | valdyn | skilz_: its an lcd display |
| 10:22.17 | skilz_ | yea |
| 10:22.33 | skilz_ | black is not to bad |
| 10:22.51 | valdyn | skilz_: black is a switched off lcd, it cant really flicker |
| 10:23.19 | valdyn | skilz_: ive never heared of flickering lcd, maybe you mean something else |
| 10:24.07 | valdyn | skilz_: in an old laptop your led or lcd reaction time is going to be way slower than any refresh rate |
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| 10:25.09 | skilz_ | how to get alsa sound working? |
| 10:25.17 | valdyn | !alsa checklist |
| 10:25.19 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 10:26.06 | skilz_ | I need to install song alsa package first |
| 10:26.57 | skilz_ | s/song/some |
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| 10:30.48 | valdyn | skilz_: if you say so |
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| 10:36.12 | skilz_ | How can I get some conky of battory monitor for my laptop? IM using fluxbox and conky |
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| 10:38.15 | Talax | ciao |
| 10:38.34 | Talax | list |
| 10:38.36 | boudiccas | !it |
| 10:38.37 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:40.08 | Talax | shevron@bzq-79-183-210-125.red.bezeqint.net |
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| 10:41.02 | boudiccas | Talax; do you have a debian-related question? |
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| 10:41.31 | Talax | no |
| 10:41.49 | Talax | I want to download |
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| 10:42.01 | boudiccas | Talax; then please take your offtopic chatter to #debain-offtopic |
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| 10:42.13 | erawfish_ | !cdimage |
| 10:42.14 | dpkg | [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent>, <jigdo>. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <cd1>, <missing iso>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <iat>. |
| 10:42.27 | erawfish_ | Talax: that's where you can download to your hearts content |
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| 10:44.24 | erawfish_ | ErVito: I actually suggest to edit the interfaces file like described on the wiki page. and I suggest strongly do not hide your SSID which is a stupid thing to do |
| 10:44.49 | skilz_ | My IBM Thinkpad battory percent is showing as 0 why is this? |
| 10:44.59 | babbio | Hi guys I have an HP laptop with an Ati Mobility Radeon HD5000 series....after a debian upload (that upload also the kernel to the version 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64) the windows are very slow to refresh when I move it...I have also installed the open drivers xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd but this does not solve the problem....can you help me??? |
| 10:45.05 | erawfish_ | skilz_: which file do you check for battery? |
| 10:45.14 | Talax | for download what i do?? |
| 10:45.26 | skilz_ | erawfish_: No idea, Its in Conky |
| 10:45.29 | erawfish_ | Talax: you go to www.debian.org/CD |
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| 10:45.51 | erawfish_ | skilz_: then get an idea and point it to the proper file |
| 10:46.05 | skilz_ | Which file would it be? |
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| 10:46.46 | Talax | !aiuto |
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| 10:47.43 | archetech | is kernel 2.6.42-5 gonna work on a pentium 3 cpu? |
| 10:47.50 | archetech | *32 |
| 10:48.02 | erawfish_ | archetech: yes |
| 10:48.08 | erawfish_ | Talax: please stop |
| 10:48.11 | archetech | ok ty |
| 10:48.18 | erawfish_ | !tell Talax about msgthebot |
| 10:49.12 | skilz_ | erawfish_: Which file would it check for power? |
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| 10:50.03 | Talax | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 10:50.24 | Talax | I'm in a offtopic debianù |
| 10:50.35 | Talax | it's difficult shit |
| 10:50.39 | skilz_ | how do I update system time? |
| 10:51.06 | thewanderer1 | skilz_, if you mean timezone transition, you don't - it's handled automatically if you set tzdata right |
| 10:51.09 | erawfish_ | skilz_: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 |
| 10:51.15 | erawfish_ | skilz_: man date |
| 10:51.19 | thewanderer1 | (for instance CEST<>CET migration is automatic) |
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| 10:51.30 | skilz_ | my system clock is wrong |
| 10:51.35 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: for how much longer? |
| 10:51.38 | skilz_ | I want to use a network time server |
| 10:51.43 | skilz_ | to sync |
| 10:51.58 | thewanderer1 | erawfish_, tzdata is not endangered species :) |
| 10:51.58 | erawfish_ | !tell skilz_ about ntp |
| 10:52.08 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: not seen the lawsuit? |
| 10:52.19 | thewanderer1 | erawfish_, I have. but they didn't win :P |
| 10:52.31 | erawfish_ | it's not decided yet, is it? |
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| 10:53.09 | thewanderer1 | they'll probably win, and if not, the hosting has moved out of the US jurisdiction already anyway so we're safe |
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| 10:55.01 | thewanderer1 | skilz_, if it really is an IBM ThinkPad, i.e. one of the older models, you might want to install tp-smapi-dkms in order to have access to IBM's proprietary SMAPI interface - it should provide accurate battery info too. |
| 10:55.26 | demooriaan | skilz_ if you have permanent internet connection, use ntp, if not (laptop etc) use chrony, it can even adjust hardware drift from switched off machine |
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| 10:55.57 | systemclient | how do I cc a bug report? |
| 10:56.59 | babbio | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.27 | valdyn | !firmware |
| 10:57.29 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 10:57.29 | erawfish_ | babbio: check your Xorg logs |
| 10:57.29 | systemclient | babbio: do you use testing or unstable? |
| 10:57.50 | erawfish_ | systemclient: he uses a backport kernel. and valdyn is right |
| 10:57.52 | systemclient | babbio: this might be the X.Org 1.11 issue that also killed my nVidia card |
| 10:57.53 | babbio | systemclient: I dont know how can I check this? |
| 10:58.01 | skilz_ | thewanderer1: Once I install tp-smapi-dkms do I need to do anything like configure it or is it just good to go as it is? |
| 10:58.06 | erawfish_ | systemclient: it's not |
| 10:58.17 | erawfish_ | skilz_: just install it |
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| 10:58.43 | erawfish_ | skilz_: you might have to load it via /etc/modules |
| 10:59.02 | skilz_ | ok |
| 10:59.14 | Talax | heeelp pleaseee |
| 10:59.29 | babbio | systemclient: so what I have todo |
| 10:59.30 | babbio | ? |
| 10:59.36 | erawfish_ | Talax: ask a sensible question. I showed you where to download debian. |
| 10:59.49 | erawfish_ | babbio: do what valdy told you. |
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| 11:00.36 | Talax | I want information on how to download a file |
| 11:00.49 | erawfish_ | Talax: which file? on what kind of server? |
| 11:00.50 | systemclient | Talax: wget http://.... |
| 11:01.07 | babbio | I can't see any valdy messages....only "firmware" message |
| 11:01.12 | Talax | a film |
| 11:01.21 | erawfish_ | !tell babbio about firmware |
| 11:01.26 | Talax | on any server |
| 11:01.33 | boudiccas | Talax; not debian-related |
| 11:01.35 | erawfish_ | babbio: now you got the same message valdyn made the bot show again |
| 11:01.55 | Talax | what does it mean |
| 11:02.04 | systemclient | Talax: you mean a movie? out of a flash player? that would be a general ##linux question or so |
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| 11:02.34 | skilz_ | erawfish_: How do I load it? |
| 11:02.38 | babbio | erawfish: ok I read it but it told about firmware...how does it match with my video driver problem? please explain to me :D |
| 11:02.39 | erawfish_ | Talax: unless you tell us which file we cannot tell you how to download that file. generally you can use wget on the console or a web browser like iceweasel if in X11 |
| 11:02.58 | erawfish_ | babbio: your videocard needs non-free firmware to function with the new kernel |
| 11:03.02 | Talax | a movie -- How do I download a movie? |
| 11:03.19 | Talax | WEB BROWSER |
| 11:03.31 | systemclient | Talax: Flash Player, download size, warez site? |
| 11:03.43 | systemclient | Talax: if it is a regular link, just click on the link … |
| 11:03.46 | erawfish_ | systemclient: stop that please |
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| 11:03.51 | boudiccas | Talax; ask in ##linux |
| 11:03.58 | babbio | erawfish_:aaaaahhhh ok so I need to install the non-free firmware...ok I'll read the wikipage valdy told me and come back here in a minute |
| 11:03.59 | CaptWho | what's the standard audio package that allows streaming radio? |
| 11:04.00 | cookiemon5ter | use the force |
| 11:04.11 | CaptWho | i'm running gnome |
| 11:04.23 | erawfish_ | CaptWho: debian has no "standard" usually. you can use anything you want |
| 11:04.48 | CaptWho | any recommendations? |
| 11:04.54 | Talax | I'm going crazy |
| 11:04.55 | erawfish_ | !poll |
| 11:04.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 11:04.58 | skilz_ | erawfish_: How do I load it? |
| 11:05.16 | thewanderer1 | CaptWho, define "audio package" |
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| 11:05.19 | erawfish_ | skilz_: cat /etc/modules |
| 11:05.42 | CaptWho | something that i can listen to music on and stream online radio |
| 11:05.53 | skilz_ | What do I have to put in there? |
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| 11:05.59 | CaptWho | i guess it would be better defined as a media package |
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| 11:06.08 | skilz_ | whats the name of the module to put in there? |
| 11:06.35 | thewanderer1 | CaptWho, Rhythmbox is a music player which you can use to listen to streams of music, as well as local files. |
| 11:06.41 | erawfish_ | !tell skilz_ about fundamentals |
| 11:06.51 | babbio | erawfish_: I'm not understanding....I can't see any "radeon" video card in the list of firmwares so which firmware should I install??? |
| 11:07.16 | CaptWho | that sounds like the one, thanks thewanderer1 |
| 11:07.26 | erawfish_ | babbio: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 11:08.23 | babbio | erawfish_: yes I have deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 11:09.20 | darkschneider | babbio: there are at least two small firmware pieces for radeon, but they do not have radeon name in them :) |
| 11:09.58 | babbio | darkschneider: so what I have to install ?? :D |
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| 11:10.24 | darkschneider | didn't you got my private message? |
| 11:10.34 | babbio | ups yes sorry :D |
| 11:10.36 | darkschneider | if yes, read it :) |
| 11:11.00 | deuterium | hm.. isn't there any #apache channel anymore? |
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| 11:11.05 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, #httpd |
| 11:11.15 | erawfish_ | babbio: get http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 11:11.17 | deuterium | thewanderer1: oh. ok. thanks! |
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| 11:18.11 | vpelletier | hi. I just finished moving an existing debian install to a diskless, pxe + iscsi setup. It works fine, except when I suspec to ram: on resume, iscsi connection is not re-established until a 120s timeout is reached. This is annoying, as the machine takes less than 120s to coldboot, but I have no idea so far how to fix this (some scripts to keep in ram before suspend and execute upon resume ?) |
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| 11:18.24 | vpelletier | s/suspec/suspend/ |
| 11:19.08 | vpelletier | any hint/rtfm/url welcome |
| 11:19.41 | thewanderer1 | sounds like 120s is a constant somewhere, or a kernel parameter you should be able to change |
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| 11:19.57 | deuterium | looks like the apt in squeeze logs package updates to /var/log/apt/history.log by default. on my lenny box however, i only see term.log in that directory. how can i enable logging of package updates in lenny too? |
| 11:20.00 | thewanderer1 | btw. s2ram works for me on PXE + NFS workstations :P |
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| 11:20.21 | archman | hello, can anyone recommend me some dropbox replacement? |
| 11:20.24 | erawfish_ | deuterium: dpkg.log should exist in /var/log too |
| 11:20.26 | archman | for debian squeeze |
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| 11:20.36 | deuterium | archman: wuala, perhaps? |
| 11:20.47 | archman | deuterium: any "free" maybe? |
| 11:20.50 | deuterium | erawfish_: ah ok.. let me check |
| 11:21.17 | deuterium | archman: i remember a discussion of alternatives on /., you might try searching there |
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| 11:21.38 | vpelletier | thewanderer1: yes, it should be something configurable (and it is clearly stated in the log message). but I fail to find the source of this config so far (nothing in iscsi config files matches this timeout AFAICS) |
| 11:21.49 | archman | deuterium: ok, tnx! |
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| 11:22.22 | ompaul | archman: be aware that free has a price - with facebook it is your data - and it is more or less the same with these kind of services |
| 11:22.56 | thewanderer1 | encrypt. :) |
| 11:22.57 | archman | ompaul: aah, ok :) |
| 11:23.02 | vpelletier | thewanderer1: "and it is clearly stated" -> I mean, 120s is explicitely in the message, not the fact that it is configurable... |
| 11:23.09 | deuterium | erawfish_: found it, thanks! |
| 11:23.16 | thewanderer1 | vpelletier, hmm, rgrep 120 /proc ? :P |
| 11:23.22 | vpelletier | heh |
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| 11:24.34 | thewanderer1 | vpelletier, this? http://linux-iscsi.sourceforge.net/iscsi.conf.5.html ConnFailTimeout ? |
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| 11:25.27 | thewanderer1 | I don't know the internals of iSCSI so can't really tell how it applies to the protocol |
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| 11:26.16 | dwq | I have an Iriver IFP-799 mp3 player that's mounted as read only for some reason. I removed all the files and started filling it with new music, but then the file transfer stopped and I unplugged it. Whenever I try to mount it no there's no write access. I did Check Filesystem from Disk Utility in Gnome and that says the filesystem is clean. |
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| 11:27.09 | thewanderer1 | dwq, do the same but in the console, including manual mounting, and see what pops up |
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| 11:28.33 | vpelletier | thewanderer1: I'm affraid this manpage is out of date, at least it doesn't match the config file structure. Anyway, lunch time. |
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| 11:29.31 | dwq | thewanderer1: I did "mount /dev/sdc /media/temp" and it didn't say anything, it was just mounted and still read only. |
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| 11:30.07 | thewanderer1 | dwq, does `mount` indicate that it is indeed ro, not rw? |
| 11:30.52 | dwq | thewanderer1: /dev/sdc on /media/temp type vfat (rw) |
| 11:31.08 | erawfish_ | !tell dwq about vfatrw |
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| 11:32.50 | Must`see1 | NBA LOCKOUT END's,finelly,chech more info in http://www.krepsininkas.net/invite.php?invite=5450 |
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| 11:34.25 | dwq | erawfish_: so I need to edit fstab? because earlier it just worked. by the way, I noticed there's a RECORD directory with 117 oddly named files. This used to be empty. A lot of fsck000 there. |
| 11:34.28 | ponty | hi. how come "apt-get install libapache2-modsecurity" doesnt work. on the website the package exist? |
| 11:35.41 | erawfish_ | ponty: on which website? |
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| 11:35.59 | erawfish_ | dwq: I don't know how you mounted your device before |
| 11:36.11 | dwq | erawfish_: just plugged it in. |
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| 11:36.22 | erawfish_ | !tell dwq about automount |
| 11:36.34 | erawfish_ | !ops Must`see1 is a spammer with a affiliate scam |
| 11:36.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: erawfish_ complains about: Must`see1 is a spammer with a affiliate scam |
| 11:36.35 | archetech | deb 6 w/xfce installed perfectly on my old P3 733Mhz :) |
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| 11:37.45 | Guest68715 | How do I change the console resolution like grub |
| 11:38.02 | erawfish_ | console resolution or grub resolution? |
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| 11:39.12 | erawfish_ | thanks |
| 11:39.13 | babilen | erawfish_: Thanks |
| 11:39.16 | babilen | :) |
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| 11:43.58 | ponty | erawfish_, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libapache2-modsecurity |
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| 11:45.25 | dwq | When I did mount -t vfat as root I was able to write as well, I guess I'll do the fstab thing if I need to mount it more often than this. Thanks. |
| 11:46.34 | wireddd | anyone know what I need to install to manage a dell cerc sata raid card? |
| 11:46.40 | erawfish_ | ponty: which debian do you run? |
| 11:46.56 | erawfish_ | wireddd: check the pci id and google |
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| 11:47.50 | ponty | wheezy |
| 11:48.00 | ponty | erawfish_, wheezy |
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| 11:49.04 | illegalc0de | ok lb build finished finally but there is no iso? does that mean something went wrong? |
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| 11:49.19 | wireddd | seems I need arcconf |
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| 11:51.27 | ponty | erawfish_, : i think i found the error. i need to switch to testing |
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| 11:51.41 | erawfish_ | ponty: you don't want to do that |
| 11:51.52 | ponty | but i need mod-security |
| 11:52.16 | erawfish_ | !tell ponty about ssb |
| 11:52.44 | erawfish_ | ,versions libapache-mod-security |
| 11:52.45 | judd | Package: libapache-mod-security on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.5.11-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.5.12-1; sid: 2.5.13-1; wheezy: 2.5.13-1; sid: 2.6.2-1 |
| 11:53.10 | erawfish_ | ponty: so mod security is in debian stable |
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| 11:58.49 | jelly-home | ,info live-f1 |
| 11:58.51 | judd | Package live-f1 (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: Formula 1 live timing. Version: 0.2.10-1; Size: 28.4k; Installed: 56k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/live-f1 |
| 12:00.13 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 12:01.58 | jelly-home | huh, I thought mod_security was GPLed and thus not redistributable, I guess they decided that was too silly |
| 12:03.11 | babbio | erawfish_: I've installed the non free firmware and the driver but if I set up "radeon" or "ati" in the xorg.conf at the roboot I don't have the mouse, only the keyboard works and also all the tty does not work....what I have todo???' |
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| 12:04.49 | babbio | darkschneider: can you also help me? |
| 12:04.55 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, uh, how would a GPL module be non-redistributable? |
| 12:05.11 | darkschneider | nope sorry |
| 12:05.37 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: easily |
| 12:06.36 | thewanderer1 | but that's non-free :O |
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| 12:08.36 | erawfish_ | babbio: you do not use a xorg.conf |
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| 12:08.59 | erawfish_ | babbio: and you install xorg from backports, just like your kernel |
| 12:09.30 | babbio | ah ok I will install the driver from backport but then I do not have to use xorg.conf?? |
| 12:09.56 | erawfish_ | babbio: you install all of xorg from backports, not just drivers. |
| 12:11.02 | babbio | erawfish_: ok I will uninstall currently xorg driver and the install all xorg from backports |
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| 12:12.01 | erawfish_ | babbio: there is nothing to uninstall. unless you got software outside of debian repos |
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| 12:13.12 | babbio | ok |
| 12:13.34 | babbio | erawfish_: so I install from backport and then rebooting it should work??? |
| 12:14.20 | erawfish_ | !reboot |
| 12:14.22 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 12:14.50 | bluenemo | lol |
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| 12:15.13 | skilz_ | How do I find the name of a key on my laptop |
| 12:15.20 | skilz_ | the volume up/down keys |
| 12:15.29 | skilz_ | so I can set them in the icewm keys file |
| 12:15.52 | bluenemo | hm well you can set some i think |
| 12:16.08 | bluenemo | like shift up down arrows or so.. |
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| 12:16.18 | skilz_ | I need to find what the volume key is called |
| 12:16.21 | babbio | erawfish_:sorry I did not know that...so I just have to restart X but how? |
| 12:16.37 | bluenemo | babbio, /etc/init.d/X restart |
| 12:16.42 | skilz_ | babbio: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 12:16.47 | bluenemo | or that :) |
| 12:17.00 | babbio | bluenemo: thank you and also skilz_ |
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| 12:17.41 | bluenemo | skilz_, sorry i dont get your question right.. you need to find out what the valume key is called? what is that supposed to mean :) |
| 12:17.52 | bluenemo | which key is for volume control? |
| 12:18.02 | bluenemo | or would supposed to be on a win install? |
| 12:18.09 | skilz_ | The key value like Mod4 or Super3 |
| 12:18.10 | skilz_ | ect |
| 12:18.34 | bluenemo | aah ok yes. there was a small tool for that but i have zero idea about the name sorry. but i used it once before for xmonad |
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| 12:18.52 | bluenemo | google for key detect and synonyms.. its got to be out there |
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| 12:19.59 | erawfish_ | skilz_: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_special_keys_to_work |
| 12:20.40 | erawfish_ | ,versions tpb |
| 12:20.42 | judd | Package: tpb on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.4-2.3; sid: 0.6.4-6; squeeze: 0.6.4-6; wheezy: 0.6.4-6 |
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| 12:35.20 | jelly-home | bluenemo, skilz_: xev |
| 12:36.12 | jelly-home | skilz_: which Thinkpad model? |
| 12:36.46 | wireddd | oh nice, adaptec has a deb for this raid controller |
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| 12:38.15 | jelly-home | wireddd: be very, very careful with packages provided by vendors who are not known for their packaging skills |
| 12:38.57 | wireddd | it is just my home file server, if it gets hosed, no problem |
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| 12:41.01 | skilz_ | when I load xev and press the volume + / - keys nothing is displayed, does this mean the keys are broken? :( |
| 12:41.17 | skilz_ | It displays info for every other key like fn ect |
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| 12:48.17 | thewanderer1 | skilz_, probably an ACPI event, which does not generate key input events |
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| 13:15.42 | r1vet | how can I change my monitor refresh rate? |
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| 13:16.53 | sssss | r1vet man xrandr |
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| 13:18.57 | yujinnboy | :-) |
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| 13:20.55 | no_gravity | Hello, masters of the debian universe! I want to see the google results like people in other countries see them. So I played around with free proxies. I noticed, that when I put in a proxy in Chromes settings, its installed system wide! Even when I do click "Use system wide". So all my data goes through this shady proxy all of a sudden. Is there a way to use a proxy for just one application? |
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| 13:23.28 | SupaYoshi | Hi, Debian 5.0 or 6.0 - Core i5, 16 GB RAM, Minecraft server |
| 13:23.38 | SupaYoshi | Maybe webhosting |
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| 13:26.38 | boudiccas | Supaplex; do you have a debian-related problem? |
| 13:26.59 | boudiccas | SupaYoshi; do you have a debian-related problem? |
| 13:27.38 | cookiemon5ter | SupaYoshi: i suggest freedos for i5 |
| 13:28.52 | bluenemo | no_gravity, visit mullvad.net, get some bitcoins and get there vpn service, then you can access the inet via the netherlands or sweden |
| 13:29.19 | bluenemo | and, as you might know, monitor your traffic with iftop |
| 13:29.44 | boudiccas | SupaYoshi; if not, please take your inane ramblings to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:29.51 | bluenemo | if mullvad is on another continent for you, google for vpn services. |
| 13:31.16 | no_gravity | bluenemo: i need romania right now. |
| 13:32.34 | boudiccas | bluenemo; more crap! |
| 13:32.43 | bluenemo | do you need a vpn to a server that stands specificly in romania? if yes i dont know anything, but there might be some services. if you are in romania yourself, use mullvad, its near enaugh so it should give you at least 95% of your speed |
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| 13:33.18 | bluenemo | quite precise statement boudiccas. gives me lots of info m( |
| 13:33.21 | no_gravity | bluenemo: im not in romania. i want to see how the google results for a couple of queries look in romania. |
| 13:33.41 | boudiccas | bluenemo; please take your unwanted advertising elsewhere, perhaps to #ubuntu |
| 13:34.25 | bluenemo | no_gravity, http://strongvpn.com/reviews/?country=RO |
| 13:34.49 | bluenemo | lol m( |
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| 13:36.16 | bluenemo | hm i'm not sure if that is what answers your questions no_gravity, however just google for it. there sure are some vpn services in romania |
| 13:36.17 | alex- | W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 13:36.26 | alex- | Why is this? |
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| 13:37.05 | bluenemo | alex-, i'm not sure but you might want to update & upgrade |
| 13:37.07 | alex- | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/links2/links2_2.3~pre1-1_amd64.deb Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 13:37.16 | boudiccas | alex_ not enough information to answer your question |
| 13:37.17 | alex- | That's what I get when I do update bluenemo |
| 13:37.27 | alex- | boudiccas: what information do you need more? |
| 13:37.58 | MarkS- | alex-: what nameservers do you use? try other resolving nameservers (it could solve the resolving issue) |
| 13:38.06 | alex- | MarkS-: I don't know |
| 13:38.10 | alex- | How can I see? |
| 13:38.18 | MarkS- | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:38.42 | alex- | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 13:39.11 | boudiccas | !paste |
| 13:39.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 13:39.20 | MarkS- | feel free to add: nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:39.28 | MarkS- | that is a resolver operated by Google |
| 13:39.33 | bluenemo | lines depend on display resolution :P |
| 13:40.11 | alex- | boudiccas: i'm not pasting 2 lines to this channel |
| 13:40.25 | alex- | MarkS-: it says changes will be overwritten |
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| 13:40.32 | MarkS- | alex-: that is fine |
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| 13:40.47 | MarkS- | it is only temporarely |
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| 13:41.07 | alex- | added |
| 13:41.17 | MarkS- | and does apt-get update now work? |
| 13:41.19 | no_gravity | bluenemo: strange, i cannot get any proxy to work on my vpn. i wonder why. |
| 13:41.42 | babbio | after installing xorg from backports now at boot I have only the shell and in the xorg log I have "unable to load fglrx module...please help me!!! |
| 13:41.50 | alex- | yes it works |
| 13:42.08 | MarkS- | alex-: feel free to do the updates |
| 13:42.17 | bluenemo | babbio, have you installed the prop driver for your nvidia card? |
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| 13:42.28 | raven | hi |
| 13:42.35 | alex- | But what does it means when I set my nameservers to google? |
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| 13:42.47 | bluenemo | no_gravity, hm never used a proxy through a vpn. anyhow, i might be wrong, but as far as i know a vpn makes you anonym enaugh |
| 13:42.55 | raven | how to start a vnc server during boot when no user is logged in? |
| 13:42.55 | babbio | bluenemo: is not nvidia is ati and I installed radeon and radeonhd drivers |
| 13:42.57 | MarkS- | alex-: the problem is a resolver issue (did you specify it somewhere?) |
| 13:43.10 | alex- | MarkS-: no, just booted my system today and had this problem |
| 13:43.26 | MarkS- | alex-: and now I just mentioned a resolver I know and that is easy to remember |
| 13:43.44 | boudiccas | bluenemo; what does 'anonym enaugh' mean please? |
| 13:43.51 | MarkS- | alex-: it isn't important that it is operated by Google, that was just extra information |
| 13:44.01 | babbio | erawfish_:can you help me....do you remeber of me? I installed xorg from backport but now I have no X running with an error while loading fglrx |
| 13:44.05 | bluenemo | lol idk :) |
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| 13:44.09 | no_gravity | bluenemo: its not about anonymity |
| 13:44.10 | bluenemo | you propably do |
| 13:44.47 | bluenemo | wasnt it about accessing the inet with an ip that lets you access stuff like youtube in total? if yes then you only need vpn |
| 13:45.05 | MarkS- | no_gravity: where did you order the VPN, is it possible the VPN provider did block ports? |
| 13:45.09 | babbio | bluenemo:what should i do now???? |
| 13:45.47 | no_gravity | MarkS-: its a jiffybox by domainfactory. i dont think they block ports. |
| 13:45.59 | no_gravity | MarkS-: but im not sure. any way to check if port 8080 is blocked? |
| 13:46.04 | alex- | MarkS-: it is, privacy |
| 13:46.06 | bluenemo | babbio, i'm not that into graphical stuff sorry. first clue would be to purge fglrx, as you dont want to use it anyway |
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| 13:46.41 | MarkS- | alex-: you can install a resolver on your own system and set resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 (just install something like pdns-resolver) |
| 13:46.46 | bluenemo | but ppl like boudiccas who know everything might be able to help you :P |
| 13:47.13 | alex- | E: Unable to locate package pdns-resolver |
| 13:47.38 | babbio | I have also tried to reinstall fglrx but I have an infinite list of unmet dependencies and I can't solve it....if someone could help me I will really appreciate !!!! |
| 13:48.03 | MarkS- | no_gravity: ask your VPN provider or buy a VPS at a good provider that doesn't block ports (ask in advance what their policy is) |
| 13:48.11 | MarkS- | alex-: my mistake, it is pdns-recursor |
| 13:48.28 | no_gravity | MarkS-: i dont think the ports are blocked |
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| 13:48.37 | bluenemo | babbio, sometimes there is no one present with the right answer, you might have to wait a bit untill sbd attends to you. if not, ask again in an hour or so. however, i also shot my system once or twice with fglrx :) |
| 13:48.46 | wondal | how to upgrade a kernel? 'apt-get upgrade' does not do it. is it thro 'apt-get remove' followed by 'apt-get install? |
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| 13:49.04 | MarkS- | no_gravity: and without the VPN the proxy does work? |
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| 13:49.23 | bluenemo | wondal, what kernel do you want? |
| 13:49.24 | MarkS- | wondal: "apt-get dist-upgrade" might work |
| 13:49.25 | no_gravity | MarkS-: i dont want to use the proxy locally because i dont want my other traffic to go through it |
| 13:49.33 | wondal | 3.0.0 |
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| 13:49.51 | bluenemo | you can either apt-get install one, compile one from kernel.org, or get the newest for your deb issue via upgrade when its released |
| 13:50.01 | no_gravity | MarkS-: but there is a proxy checker on the proxy list site and now i see that when i check those proxies there, the proxy checker reports its dead also. |
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| 13:50.08 | alex- | MarkS-: thanks for help, it works |
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| 13:50.21 | no_gravity | MarkS-: so what i need is a working proxy in romania |
| 13:50.29 | MarkS- | no_gravity: that explains it |
| 13:51.05 | MarkS- | you can buy a VPS in Romania and set up a proxy on it (as I don't know any Romania providers I can't give an advice on that part) |
| 13:51.35 | wondal | bluenemo: thks. |
| 13:52.27 | no_gravity | MarkS-: i only need it right now to check some queries on google |
| 13:53.50 | MarkS- | no_gravity: look for another proxy, I don't know one in Romania |
| 13:53.55 | no_gravity | MarkS-: ha! found a working on. |
| 13:53.58 | no_gravity | s/on/one |
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| 14:07.19 | shah0516 | hi all, i have successfully installed Chrome on my Debian Squeeze, when I try opening webpages that has flash content, it says flash plugin is out of date. Any pointers? I have installed flashplugin-non-free |
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| 14:11.06 | babilen | shah0516: When did you install the flashplugin-nonfree package? Please also note that we can't really support chrome. |
| 14:11.28 | shah0516 | moving forward, I can open flash content in Iceweasel.. |
| 14:11.33 | bluenemo | shah0516, does it work in iceweasel from repos? |
| 14:11.38 | bluenemo | ah ok :) |
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| 14:12.58 | shah0516 | babilen: I have installed long back, when I try installing again it says already installed.. |
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| 14:13.47 | babilen | shah0516: You can upgrade the flash plugin by running "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" |
| 14:15.13 | babilen | (the --verbose is not really needed, but you see whats going on with it) |
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| 14:16.37 | shah0516 | babilen: thanks for the response, it returns 404(wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10) |
| 14:17.02 | babilen | shah0516: sigh ... one second |
| 14:18.16 | babilen | shah0516: Which architecture are you using? |
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| 14:19.14 | shah0516 | babilen: amd64 |
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| 14:19.51 | babilen | shah0516: May I see the actual output on http://paste.debian.net -- Could you also try to run " wget -nd -P . http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc" ? |
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| 14:22.32 | shah0516 | babilen: please find both outputs in this link http://paste.debian.net/141223/ |
| 14:22.36 | babilen | thanks |
| 14:23.51 | shah0516 | babilen: wc, read from line6 :) |
| 14:23.53 | babilen | shah0516: Hmm, the installer script seems to be outdated. |
| 14:24.31 | babilen | shah0516: Which version of flashplugin-nonfree do you have installed? "dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree|tail -n 1" |
| 14:25.25 | shah0516 | babilen: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 |
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| 14:26.17 | babilen | shah0516: Please show me the output of "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 14:26.44 | lord_rob | Hi ! How do I restart network ? /etc/init.d/networking restart tells me it's deprecated and kills my connection ... |
| 14:27.19 | dvs | lord_rob: ifdown <intf>; ifup <intf> |
| 14:27.39 | shah0516 | babilen: please find it here: http://paste.debian.net/141227/ |
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| 14:28.29 | lord_rob | dvs will this restart attached services ? like dns ? |
| 14:28.29 | dvs | shah0516: you have no sources |
| 14:28.37 | Iridos | since when does init.d/networking do any of those |
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| 14:29.06 | babilen | lord_rob: Yes, it runs "ifdown --all" and "ifup --all" -- The ifdown command will bring down *all* interfaces and "ifup --all" only those with an auto stanza in /etc/network/interfaces -- Those are not necessarily the same. |
| 14:29.17 | dvs | lord_rob: You are running a dns server? Or are you obtaining an address from a server? |
| 14:29.23 | babilen | shah0516: Please paste your sources.list as well |
| 14:29.32 | lord_rob | dvs static ip |
| 14:29.50 | lord_rob | workstation with static ip |
| 14:30.17 | shah0516 | babilen: dvs: Please find my sources: http://paste.debian.net/141228/ |
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| 14:31.05 | Jaghnat | Are there any special things I have to do to get Debian to boot off of USB? |
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| 14:31.09 | dvs | shah0516: no "contrib" on lines 6 and 7? |
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| 14:31.25 | babilen | shah0516: Ah, you are running Lenny and you are missing backports in your sources.list -- I would recommend to upgrade to Squeeze which is the current stable release of Debian. Would that be an option? |
| 14:31.57 | Iridos | only the CD install was from lenny |
| 14:32.20 | dvs | lord_rob: Are you changing the domain name server before you restart the network? |
| 14:32.30 | Iridos | and that's commented, everything now is squeeze, but no contrib in 6/7, no non-free in 8/9 |
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| 14:33.07 | shah0516 | dvs: im sorry, im not sure what you are asking about |
| 14:33.10 | Iridos | and no backports although he obviously does have backport packages |
| 14:33.33 | Iridos | shah0516, ^^^ |
| 14:33.34 | lord_rob | dvs I added an entry in /etc/resolv.conf, so rebooting the PC would be a quick option to update the resolution |
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| 14:33.58 | lord_rob | but I'd prefer to know how to avoid doing so |
| 14:34.07 | dvs | lord_rob: Ah, then restarting the network should pick up the new dns config. |
| 14:35.09 | lord_rob | so a simple ifdown/up is ok ? |
| 14:35.41 | shah0516 | shall I update my sources.list? dvs, babilen, Iridos |
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| 14:36.15 | dvs | should be. and any other daemon that uses the dns service. |
| 14:36.22 | babilen | shah0516: Would upgrading to Squeeze be an option? How old is this installation? |
| 14:37.02 | shah0516 | babilen: I have upgraded to Squeeze recently using dist-upgrade |
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| 14:37.36 | dvs | Ah, dist-upgrade alone isn't correct. |
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| 14:38.12 | babilen | shah0516: Ah, right. Ok. In that case you should add "contrib" to your sources.list so the end of the lines read "main contrib non-free" run "apt-get update". You can then install/upgrade the flashplugin-nonfree package with, say, "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 14:38.29 | shah0516 | dvs: I mean changing sources, then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and finally dist-upgrade |
| 14:38.40 | babilen | shah0516: The upgrade from lenny to squeeze is also a little more involved than a simple "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- It is strongly recommended to follow the release notes |
| 14:38.43 | babilen | !release notes |
| 14:38.44 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 14:38.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell shah0516 about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:38.59 | dvs | shah0516: unless you upgraded the kernel first, it wasn't done correctly. |
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| 14:40.13 | babilen | shah0516: dpkg should have send you a short overview over the upgrade procedure in a private message, but i would still recommend to read the release notes. Which kernel are you running? Which version of udev and libc6 is installed? (→ "uname -a" + "dpkg -l udev libc6") |
| 14:41.36 | Jaghnat | Are there any special things I have to do to get Debian to boot off of USB? |
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| 14:41.59 | boudiccas | bluenemo; what are you rabbiting on about? i've been busy with RL and afk. |
| 14:41.59 | pipeline | no |
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| 14:43.22 | shah0516 | babilen: Thanks got PM from dpkg; linux version is (Linux localhost 2.6.26-2-amd64), lib6 2.11.2-10 and udev 164-3 |
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| 14:44.43 | babilen | shah0516: Ok, you *need* to upgrade your kernel as well as .32 is used in squeeze. Please add "contrib", upgrade your kernel and reboot. |
| 14:45.02 | dvs | shah0516: kernel is wrong. |
| 14:45.21 | dvs | oops sorry |
| 14:45.47 | babilen | shah0516: Come back once you'be done that and show us the output of "apt-get update ; aptitude search '~o'" |
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| 14:45.58 | babilen | *you've |
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| 14:47.24 | semmel | hey guys i try to set up m debian sqeeze xfce4 with pulseaudio, on my fluxbox all works fine but on the xfce4 i just have no sound, no mixers are muted or 0 |
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| 14:48.05 | shah0516 | babilen: sure thanks, I'm still not sure how to add contrib, can you please elaborate? please? |
| 14:48.19 | boudiccas | semmel; are the speakers connected and switched on? start with the basics |
| 14:48.28 | Marezz | Hey everyone, is there another good ISO to USB program like unetbootin? |
| 14:48.32 | dvs | <dvs> shah0516: no "contrib" on lines 6 and 7? |
| 14:49.14 | semmel | yes they are boudiccas, if i switch right now to fluxbox i have sound on all devices with any client i want like mpd,webbrowser,vlc... |
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| 14:51.03 | babilen | shah0516: You just edit your sources.list and make sure the deb and deb-src lines end in "main contrib non-free" -- You can also remove the commented lines for the CDs |
| 14:52.15 | babilen | shah0516: Once you've done that install a suitable kernel. I would recommend to install one of the kernel metapackages, such as linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 14:52.55 | shah0516 | babilen, dvs: thanks a lot, will get back to you once kernel update is done. |
| 14:53.28 | babilen | shah0516: Wonderful, good luck and see you in a second. Please make sure that the correct kernel is indeed installed with "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" |
| 14:54.40 | babilen | Marezz: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:55.17 | Marezz | babilen: Im tryint to put linux iso on the usb(im on linux system) |
| 14:55.28 | babilen | Marezz: Which ISO? |
| 14:56.28 | Marezz | babilen: 2 of them actually 1 for me(debian 6.0.3 and 1 for my friend aptosid kde) |
| 14:57.39 | babilen | Marezz: No idea about aptosid (ask them), but for Debian you can just do "cat the-debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" and you are done. Replace "/dev/sdX" with the proper block device for the USB (check in "dmesg|tail -n 20" after plugging in the USB" |
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| 14:58.20 | Marezz | babilen: I was hoping for a program with GUI, im clueless with CLI when it comes to USB |
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| 14:58.32 | babilen | Marezz: You have to run that command as root. Assuming the block device is /dev/sdb the full command would be "cat the-debian.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync" |
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| 14:59.47 | babilen | Marezz: I am not aware of a GUI program, but the command is pretty easy. If you are not totally sure how, plug in the USB *now* (i.e. replug it if alread plugged in) and show me the output of "dmesg|tail -n 20" on http://paste.debian.net -- Please also provide the full name of the Debian iso you downloaded. |
| 15:00.16 | babilen | Marezz: unetbootin is known to not work well fwiw |
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| 15:01.06 | Marezz | babilen: Here it is http://pastebin.com/srZKpbdy |
| 15:01.33 | Marezz | debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 15:02.33 | babilen | Marezz: You can see in there that the block device is indeed /dev/sdb -- To get the Debian ISO on that you would therefore run "su -" to become root. (give the root password) and run "cat debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync" |
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| 15:04.45 | babilen | Marezz: But before you go on. What kind of hardware are you installing on? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
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| 15:05.22 | Marezz | babilen: amd athlon64 3000+ @1.8ghz 2gb ram hd 4650 and adsl internet |
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| 15:05.54 | babilen | Marezz: Are you connected via ethernet or wifi? But that is fine and you should be able to install Debian with that image. |
| 15:05.57 | fabzor3 | hi |
| 15:06.24 | Marezz | babilen: ethernet |
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| 15:07.32 | babilen | Marezz: Ok. Given that you have already downloaded the image you can just use it. Otherwise I would have recommended to use the netinstall which downloads everyhting you need from the internet. So, have fun and enjoy the installation or is it still unclear how to create the USB? |
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| 15:15.39 | ponty | erawfish_, txh |
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| 15:19.51 | Marezz | babilen: something is going on, I guess its working :D |
| 15:19.58 | babilen | hehe |
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| 15:29.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | how come that there's no wine in wheezy? |
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| 15:32.25 | ompaul | dpkg why is wine not in wheezy |
| 15:32.26 | dpkg | ompaul: what are you talking about? |
| 15:33.02 | ompaul | ,versions wine |
| 15:33.03 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 15:33.49 | ompaul | dpkg why is wine not in testing |
| 15:33.50 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 15:34.00 | ompaul | KaffeeJunky123: ^^ |
| 15:34.05 | en1gma | after you do a custom kernel build how can you export a module for later use in another kernel so you dont have to build it each time? |
| 15:34.28 | en1gma | or even if you do just a regular kernel build |
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| 15:35.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | ompaul: thanks |
| 15:35.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | ompaul: I tried to get dpkg to tell me just that :P |
| 15:35.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | ompaul: but it just told me to read the fucking manual :) |
| 15:35.56 | ompaul | not totally true |
| 15:36.02 | ompaul | you have to say testing |
| 15:36.34 | ompaul | and it is a web page |
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| 15:47.15 | _Sam-- | using smbmount to mount a windows share -- how would i properly escape the space in the name of the windows share? ie: //192.168.1.105/"Website Images" |
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| 15:47.57 | thelastninja | _Sam-- : you must use back slash : //192.168.1.105/Website\ Images |
| 15:48.15 | thelastninja | put space after back slash |
| 15:48.42 | _Sam-- | thanks...trying now. |
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| 15:50.58 | someone-\ | How do I downgrade from wheezy to sid |
| 15:51.02 | someone-\ | ?dpkg sid |
| 15:51.26 | someone-\ | the problem is wheezy doesn't have 96xx support |
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| 15:52.47 | DE1 | what is the best method to install something from source when you already have an older version installed as a deb package? |
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| 15:56.07 | someone-\ | uninstall it with dpkg (I don't know how because I"m not in debian) and then make install it to /usr/local |
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| 15:56.54 | en1gma | is there any way to make a kernel module a binary so it can be used later to install on a similar kernel? |
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| 16:00.13 | Iridos | DE1, would be kinda useful if you said what it is, what version you need and why and if you need both versions available at the same time |
| 16:01.17 | DE1 | i need libsoup2.36.1-1, fixes a proxy + https + webkit bug |
| 16:02.00 | DE1 | not sure if having both is a good idea |
| 16:02.46 | someone-\ | How do I downgrade from wheezy to sid? |
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| 16:04.26 | dwq | someone-\: downgrade? wheezy is testing and sid is unstable so sid has newer packages. |
| 16:04.27 | cthuluh | someone-\: did you mean "upgrade"? |
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| 16:06.35 | Iridos | judd, versions libsoup2.36.1-1 |
| 16:06.35 | judd | No package named 'libsoup2.36.1-1' was found in i386. |
| 16:06.42 | Iridos | judd, versions libsoup |
| 16:06.43 | judd | No package named 'libsoup' was found in i386. |
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| 16:07.40 | Iridos | judd, versions libsoup2.4-1 |
| 16:07.41 | judd | Package: libsoup2.4-1 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.1-2; lenny-backports: 2.30.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.30.2-1; wheezy: 2.34.3-1; sid: 2.36.0-1 |
| 16:07.57 | Iridos | DE1, ^^^^ |
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| 16:08.26 | cookiemon5ter | is there a debian install cd with added firmware |
| 16:08.26 | k1ng | someone-\, Do not pm me |
| 16:08.32 | Iridos | DE1, security bugs WILL be backported to the version in squeeze and come into squeeze via security.debian.org, though |
| 16:08.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell DE1 -about ssb |
| 16:09.13 | Iridos | dpkg, firmware images |
| 16:09.13 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 16:09.40 | DE1 | i dont understand, are you telling me the lenny package is newer than the package in sid? |
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| 16:10.53 | Iridos | no, I'm telling you that security bugfixes will be applied to the version in squeeze (and lenny as long as it's supported as oldstable) |
| 16:11.05 | Iridos | so you will get a fixed version without a version change |
| 16:11.26 | Iridos | dpkg, oldstable |
| 16:11.26 | dpkg | it has been said that oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Lenny (5.0) is oldstable. Consider upgrading your system(s) to the current stable release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 16:11.28 | somiaj | DE1: no, but I would check the changelog in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> -- it could be the bugs/security holes are fixed in debian. If they are not you can make yourself a backport. |
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| 16:12.25 | somiaj | DE1: a backport is a debian package (so you can use dpkg to manage it) that is complied from source. You can either use the debian sid package source or if you prefer compile the upstream source into a package. |
| 16:12.45 | someone-\ | How do I downgrade from wheezy to sid? |
| 16:13.04 | somiaj | someone-\: did you not listen. sid is not a downgrade from wheezy. |
| 16:13.14 | l0x_ph1x | Can anyone point me in the direction of a working link for BT5R1 KDE 64 ISO ? |
| 16:13.30 | babilen | !tell l0x_ph1x -about backtrack |
| 16:13.32 | somiaj | someone-\: squeeze is the stable, but in general you cannot downgrade in debian. (you can down grade a few packages, but rarely an whole system, the upgrade process is one way) |
| 16:13.39 | babilen | l0x_ph1x: Please ask in a backtrack channel. |
| 16:13.42 | DE1 | somiaj: i need version 2.36.1-1 (newer than experimental's), why would i get a backport? |
| 16:14.17 | somiaj | DE1: again why do you need that version? The security holes you talk about are most likely fixed. If you need new features that is another story |
| 16:14.26 | l0x_ph1x | babilen: thanks, didn't know one existed |
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| 16:14.51 | babilen | l0x_ph1x: Have fun |
| 16:14.58 | l0x_ph1x | As always ;) |
| 16:15.02 | DE1 | its a webkit + https + proxy bug, causes webkit to crash, i was told it was fixed in that version |
| 16:15.05 | somiaj | DE1: a backport is just the source compiled against he libaries in squeeze. The thing about the backport (compiling the source into a debian package) is other packages that dependend on it can be installed easily and you can use dpkg to add/remove the package |
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| 16:15.33 | Groenleer | Hi folks, should the Debian 2.6.26-2 image have IPsec enabled by default? If not, what do i need to do to enable ipsec? |
| 16:16.04 | pipeline | Groenleer: check /boot/config-blahblah for questions of that kind |
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| 16:16.12 | pipeline | Groenleer: however iirc you should have all the kernel bits already there |
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| 16:17.04 | DE1 | somiaj: but backports are they not from testing and unstable? im running unstable |
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| 16:17.15 | Groenleer | pipeline, sorry, not following your 2nd line. |
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| 16:17.49 | Groenleer | the file /boot/config-2.6.26-2-amd64 does not mention ipsec at all (looked with a grep statement) |
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| 16:18.39 | grotaria | Hello! I want to switch over from another distro to Debian GNU/Linux and was wondering, what architecture do I go for if I have a intel t4300 processor and 4 gb of ram? |
| 16:18.51 | pipeline | Groenleer: i think all you will need is tun/tap, there won't be anything mentioning ipsec |
| 16:19.00 | pipeline | grotaria: if you have to ask, use i386. |
| 16:19.11 | StefandeVries | someone-\, stop autojoin spamming me please |
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| 16:19.28 | l0x_ph1x | same ^ |
| 16:19.35 | l0x_ph1x | also has just port scanned me.. |
| 16:19.41 | pipeline | grotaria: after initial installation, install a -bigmem kernel to enable more than 3GB of RAM |
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| 16:20.00 | grotaria | pipeline: Thank you very much. |
| 16:20.04 | somiaj | DE1: backport just means packages compiled against your current distro. Yes a backport to sid is silly (But this is a room that supports debian stable, we don't suggest people worried about security run sid. |
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| 16:20.10 | pipeline | I put my money where my mouth is, also -- I have i386 on my 16 GB desktop :) |
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| 16:20.46 | somiaj | DE1: check irc.debian.org #debian-next for wheezy/sid support. But you really have two choices. a) complie from source and install in /usr/local. b) compile a .deb from the source tree and install it. |
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| 16:21.23 | somiaj | DE1: if you do the firs tyou may need to install a placekeeper package (Forget the name for this) so other apps know that libary is installed. You can have both installed, but really I would only have one. |
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| 16:21.47 | babilen | grotaria: You could also just install amd64 and don't have to bother with the PAE (i.e. bigmem) kernel |
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| 16:22.23 | grotaria | babilen: I was thinking about doing that but the debian wiki tells that there are some heavy problem with flash under amd64 architecture... |
| 16:22.37 | grotaria | babilen: And unfortunately I have to use it:( |
| 16:22.46 | someone-\ | How do I downgrade from wheezy to sid? |
| 16:23.56 | somiaj | grotaria: amd64 adobe flash is working better. Works fine here, though I don't have a major use for it. |
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| 16:24.30 | somiaj | grotaria: but you can use either, depends on what you want/like. Some things amd64 is beter, others i386 is better. You can even run an amd64 bit kernel in a 32bit userland. |
| 16:24.37 | grotaria | somiaj: Thanks for telling me. I think it won't hurt me to try. |
| 16:24.38 | DE1 | somiaj: if i compile a deb, how do i replace the old one so that it integrates into the dependencies, i.e. so apt knows i have a newer version installed |
| 16:25.49 | Iridos | DE1, just use the same name and it'll replace it |
| 16:25.56 | grotaria | somiaj: Sounds great but I am not that advance to run something like this :) |
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| 16:26.17 | lord_rob | someone-\: how am I supposed to help you ? why did you ask me your problem in query ? |
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| 16:26.25 | C-boys | anybody cracked crypt(3) with john the ripper before? |
| 16:26.36 | C-boys | i'm having troubles with it |
| 16:27.09 | somiaj | DE1: a few ways, modify the debian/rules script to ensure that it either is the same package name (so it just upgrades your current package and replaces it). Or if you want a different name, add a 'provides' and/or 'conflicts' line |
| 16:27.34 | babilen | grotaria: I don't experience any problem whatsoever with flash that are specific to amd64 |
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| 16:28.45 | somiaj | DE1: in many cases the package you generate is just an 'ugraded' version and can just easily replace the current on no issue. You can also get the debian/ from the current source so it builds it in a similar method |
| 16:29.00 | DE1 | somiaj: ok thx |
| 16:29.26 | babilen | !tell DE1 -about uupdate |
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| 16:30.07 | babilen | DE1: Please also read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html#newupstream -- Note that extensive changes to the packaging might be needed. |
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| 16:31.28 | batouzo | is there a problem with ftp archive of debian? |
| 16:31.32 | grotaria | babilen: Thanks babilen, I'll give it a shot right now and see how it goes. I hope I can install my wifi card with the debian wiki information. |
| 16:31.53 | batouzo | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/git/git_1.7.2.5-2_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 153.19.251.221 80] |
| 16:32.02 | babilen | grotaria: You can also come back and we will help you. What is its PCIID? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 16:32.33 | babilen | batouzo: Try a different mirror |
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| 16:32.45 | someone-\ | How do I downgrade from wheezy to sid? |
| 16:33.02 | ew0x | batouzo: and make sure you apt-get update'd recently |
| 16:33.03 | somiaj | batouzo: what version of debian? It could be the package was upgraded and you need to 'update' to get the new version name |
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| 16:33.10 | grotaria | babilen: Thanks so much babilen. It's a broadcom 4312...well the wiki is clear. |
| 16:33.19 | babilen | someone-\: You've already been told that there is absolutely no way to downgrade from wheezy to sid as that would be an upgrade. |
| 16:33.24 | jelly-home | someone-\: your question makes no sense. That is not a downgrade. |
| 16:33.27 | somiaj | batouzo: if its squeeze, it could be you need secuirty.debian.org source to have the updated security fixed version. |
| 16:33.29 | babilen | grotaria: Have fun then :) |
| 16:33.35 | grotaria | babilen: I just hope I can manage to make my system working :) I come from ubuntu where everything is preinstalled. |
| 16:33.40 | Marezz | babilen: it was successful, however I didnt like aptosid :D |
| 16:33.44 | somiaj | jelly-home: he's unforntally beeen told that about 10 times, and just spams the same question word for word. |
| 16:33.49 | babilen | grotaria: We will be here if you run into problems |
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| 16:34.06 | jelly-home | somiaj: I'm guessing it's a bot, then |
| 16:34.18 | grotaria | babilen: Thanks so much for being helpfull and thanks to all. Will be back after I have some fun with the install :) |
| 16:34.26 | babilen | Marezz: Splendid -- Enjoy Debian then. |
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| 16:35.00 | Marezz | babilen: I still cant decide which DE tho... |
| 16:35.25 | ompaul | Marezz: try them all and work it out :) |
| 16:35.34 | Marezz | I wanted gnome 2 but it wont be there for much longer, so I wanna find replacement |
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| 16:36.02 | lord_rob | Marezz: why ? |
| 16:36.09 | babilen | Marezz: Hehe, I can't help you with that. There are so many options and you have to figure out by yourself what you like. I personally prefer lighter window managers such as awesomewm (tiled) or fluxbox (stacked) |
| 16:36.22 | lord_rob | debian is a conservative distro |
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| 16:37.13 | lord_rob | you won't get gnome if it's not stable |
| 16:37.34 | Marezz | lord_rob: The truth is, gnome 2 wont be here anymore and I will have to find good replacement... |
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| 16:38.55 | batouzo | somiaj: indeed, thx |
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| 16:38.58 | lord_rob | well squeeze won't change so won't gnome 2 |
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| 16:39.08 | babilen | StefandeVries: PM OK? |
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| 16:39.30 | StefandeVries | babilen, sure |
| 16:39.56 | cwg23 | Hi - can do I force uninstall something without removing its dependencies? (I'm aware there are risks.) |
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| 16:40.11 | somiaj | cwg23: why do you want to do this? |
| 16:40.19 | dick-richardson | I would like to start 'screen' on gnome login and immediately close the terminal window (or better yet, not even open one). |
| 16:40.38 | cwg23 | somiaj: I want to remove phonon, which I think might be causing audio problems. But I don't want to remove basket if I can avoid it. |
| 16:40.49 | somiaj | cwg23: it can be done, 'man dpkg' and look up force, but I doubt this is what you want to do and there is a better situation to your problem. |
| 16:40.56 | Marezz | lord_rob: If im right, debian stable will have gnome 2 untill february 2013 |
| 16:41.04 | somiaj | well if basket depends on phonon, why do you expect it to work if your remove itl. |
| 16:41.04 | cwg23 | somiaj: what do you suggest? |
| 16:41.42 | somiaj | cwg23: figure out why phonon is causing audio problems and fix it correctly. |
| 16:42.16 | cwg23 | somiaj: basket might break, and I'll take that risk - but it might just work without audio, and I'm curious to know. |
| 16:42.31 | somiaj | cwg23: if phonon is an option dependency for basket, (I don't know these applications). You can compile your own basket package that doens't depend on phonon. |
| 16:42.45 | someone-\ | How do I downgrade from wheezy to sid? |
| 16:42.48 | cwg23 | somiaj: interesting. |
| 16:42.50 | ompaul | boo |
| 16:42.57 | ompaul | woops |
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| 16:43.35 | lord_rob | Marezz: I don't know, I haven't read many good news about gnome 3 yet. It was the same foir kde 4 ;) needed time and now it's cool |
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| 16:44.09 | Marezz | I need some DE that doesnt use more than 300mb |
| 16:44.14 | dick-richardson | how do you run gui apps in gnome 3 after ssh-ing into a box? |
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| 16:44.29 | cwg23 | somiaj: but I'm extremely time poor this month, and I'd really like to get audio working. My options right now are removing it, basket and all, (and recover my old notes from there later) or try the force remove on the off chance it works. |
| 16:44.34 | somiaj | cwg23: I told you how to force it, but this is NOT the method you should use. Figure out the real issue and fix it. If its just you want basket without that dependency, install the source, see if there is a ./configure option that either disables it. Make a custom package. |
| 16:44.37 | dick-richardson | gdm3, rather |
| 16:45.40 | blubberdiblub | cwg23, or just find an alternative application that solves the same task but doesn't depend on phonon |
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| 16:46.10 | shah0516 | hi babilen: after kernel upgrade and reboot, I lost GUI and I have had hard time figuring out installing xorg-server and im back now.. there is one more problem now: im not able to see the taskbar on my desktop |
| 16:46.14 | dick-richardson | best solution I can come up with is have the box run screen after gnome login, but I'd like the window closed immediately (or not even displayed to begin with). |
| 16:46.21 | cwg23 | somiaj: appreciate that. If I do force it, are the risks limited to the apps that depend on it, or are there risks to my system? |
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| 16:47.04 | cwg23 | blubberdiblub: AFAIK the only app that reads basket files *properly* is basket. |
| 16:47.53 | babilen | shah0516: I'll be back in some time. Ask the channel as well please. Can you reproduce the "missing taskbar problem" with another newly created user? Which DE is this? (etc.) |
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| 16:48.14 | cwg23 | happy to just uninstall basket too if it's safer for the system. |
| 16:48.57 | shah0516 | babilen: i'm using KDE, and I'll try your suggestion. |
| 16:49.01 | blubberdiblub | cwg23, if the problem is phonon, you could try installing an alternativ phonon backend and uninstall the one you're using at the moment |
| 16:49.42 | blubberdiblub | cwg23, i.e. phonon-backend-xine, if you're using phonon-backend-gstreamer right now. or vice versa |
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| 16:50.43 | cwg23 | blubberdiblub: I wasn't aware of that - thanks. |
| 16:50.44 | ethicalhack | hello i need some help with my Ubuntu pls |
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| 16:50.58 | ompaul | ethicalhack: you will find it in #ubuntu |
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| 16:51.03 | ethicalhack | ok |
| 16:51.05 | ethicalhack | ty |
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| 16:51.21 | lord_rob | Marezz: why don't you try xfce then ? |
| 16:51.42 | blubberdiblub | cwg23, well, i don't know if it solves your issue, but it's at least worth a try |
| 16:51.52 | Marezz | lord_rob: I am, on Sabayon however and its using more ram than gnome 2 |
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| 16:52.54 | lord_rob | ok ... strange, maybe it's distro related |
| 16:53.23 | cwg23 | Marezz: or LXDE... or CrunchBang for a lean implementation of either Xfce or Openbox. |
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| 16:54.27 | cwg23 | Marezz: CrunchBang being Debian Squeeze with the DE all set up nicely and a welcome/setup script |
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| 16:55.05 | ompaul | crunchbang is not supported here |
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| 16:55.28 | Marezz | cwg23: Are there some up-to-date debian derivates? :D |
| 16:55.39 | pindemon | hello world - I need some assistance on setting correctly permissions for /var/log |
| 16:55.46 | cwg23 | Marezz, lord_rob: I've heard that some implementations of Xfce are very bloated, including some Xubuntus (someone told me the later ones are better) |
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| 16:56.02 | cwg23 | ompaul: just answering a question - I'm assuming this channel isn't censored |
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| 16:57.14 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 16:57.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:58.26 | cwg23 | Marezz: ah, you're after Testing or Unstable? If you wanted to fiddle around a little bit, you could copy CrunchBang's configuration onto a minimal install of another kind of Debian. I'm not sure how complex that would get, but the basics should be pretty straightforward. It would give you a very nice lean DE on Debian. |
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| 17:00.04 | TechDesk | hi all, where can i find a sarge ? |
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| 17:00.21 | Marezz | cwg23: Do you know of any tutorials for installing minimal debian then adding minimal DE without all that bloat? |
| 17:00.32 | TechDesk | i need kernel 2.4.25 or 2.4.27 |
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| 17:01.59 | cwg23 | Marezz: I can't answer in general, but re the CrunchBang DE, there's http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/adding_crunchbang_features_in_another_distro - I think that page is fairly out of date but it gives an idea. |
| 17:02.02 | TechDesk | for support FATX format |
| 17:02.53 | pindemon | I have a problem with mumble-server log permissions - I'm on debian 6.0.3 - /var/log/mumble-server permissions where set to user&group mumble-server - I've did usermod -a -G adm mumble-server and after I've forced logrotate (logrotate -f <configfile>) - now the mumble-server.log file has root:adm ownership |
| 17:03.03 | cwg23 | Marezz: The CrunchBang forum is extremely helpful, and not just for people using CrunchBang - they'd be happy to lend a hand to someone using a different version of Debian (and someone there probably is already) |
| 17:03.23 | cwg23 | Marezz: good luck! |
| 17:03.27 | Marezz | cwg23: Are you a crunchbang user yourself? :D |
| 17:04.08 | dwq | Marezz: just don't select desktop at the end of the installation (tasksel). if you're going to use gnome you can install gnome-core http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome and then you just keep adding stuff that you want. |
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| 17:04.37 | TechDesk | hi all, where can i find a sarge ? |
| 17:04.43 | babilen | cwg23, Marezz: I would be happy if you could take this discussion to #crunchbang (or another suitable channel) |
| 17:04.46 | TechDesk | or etch |
| 17:04.50 | babilen | !tell TechDesk about install sarge |
| 17:05.02 | TechDesk | i search the iso file |
| 17:05.04 | ompaul | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ |
| 17:05.07 | erawfish_ | TechDesk: /msg dpkg sarge /msg dpkg archive |
| 17:05.19 | pindemon | pindemon: nevermind - I've solved it |
| 17:05.19 | TechDesk | ah thank you |
| 17:05.20 | babilen | TechDesk: Please note that sarge and etch are not supported anymore and you *will* run a box with a lot of security issues. |
| 17:05.24 | ew0x | pindemon: You have to add an entry for this specific log file in your logrotate.d |
| 17:05.29 | Marezz | thanks dwq |
| 17:05.38 | Iridos | Marezz, just install Debian without any tasks selected, that will give you a minimal system. Install any WM/DE you want then... "/msg dpkg xfce" for xfce (and a bit of patience, dpkg is a bit slow at the moment... well, a bit much slow) |
| 17:05.42 | pindemon | ew0x: I've by mistake run mumble-server as root |
| 17:05.44 | TechDesk | yes, it's juste for to have kernel 2.4.25 or 2.4.27 |
| 17:06.01 | ompaul | TechDesk: and we can't remember how to do anything with them anymore all forgotten |
| 17:06.02 | pindemon | ew0x: now I've restarted the server and set the correct ownership to the logfile |
| 17:06.04 | TechDesk | i want format my hard drive of xbox360 in fatx |
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| 17:06.13 | Iridos | Marezz, oh, and it's /msg dpkg install xfce |
| 17:06.15 | cwg23 | babilen: taken it off-channel - sorry for the noise. |
| 17:06.23 | babilen | cwg23: Thank you |
| 17:06.28 | ew0x | pindemon: the ownership will be reset at next logrotate anyway |
| 17:06.59 | boudiccas | TechDesk; we dont support xboxes |
| 17:07.06 | TechDesk | ^^ |
| 17:07.12 | blubberdiblub | TechDesk, formatting (if you mean formatting only, not doing anything else with it) is unrelated to the kernel |
| 17:07.29 | TechDesk | kernel 3 support fatx ? |
| 17:07.31 | pindemon | ew0x: you're right |
| 17:07.46 | TechDesk | fatx is the file system of hard driver xbox |
| 17:07.50 | TechDesk | drive* |
| 17:07.52 | erawfish_ | TechDesk: it doesn't matter what kernel 3 support for formatting purposes as blubberdiblub just told you |
| 17:08.02 | babilen | Marezz: If you are very concerned about memory usage you might also want to consider running a lightweight window manager such as, for example, fluxbox or awesomewm. As others before I would recommend *not* to install the desktop task during the installation (just standard + laptop (if applicable)) and take it from there. |
| 17:08.12 | erawfish_ | TechDesk: you need a mkfs.fatx program, if that even exists under debian, sarge or otherwise |
| 17:08.17 | ew0x | pindemon: that's why an entry in your logrotate.d for this log file is required to have permissions logrotate-proof |
| 17:08.20 | OldParr | i have installed kde alongside with gnome and xfce, but kde begins to load for 5 seconds aand after that the screen goes black and it returns to the logon screen |
| 17:08.28 | TechDesk | ah, only that ? |
| 17:08.33 | TechDesk | it exist ? |
| 17:08.38 | en1gma | is this the correct way to restart dhcp server 'sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart' |
| 17:08.48 | en1gma | i mean without network-manager |
| 17:08.56 | erawfish_ | OldParr: what happened when you did as I told you and starting "startkde" from anew user from the console? |
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| 17:09.06 | erawfish_ | TechDesk: we don't know |
| 17:09.10 | TechDesk | ok |
| 17:09.17 | Marezz | babilen: Yeah I'd like to put a lightweight WM but I dont like the way they complicated some configurations |
| 17:09.20 | pindemon | ew0x: you mean that I have to edit /etc/logrotate.d/mumble-server ? |
| 17:09.39 | ew0x | ew0x: If mumble is properly packaged you should not need to, still |
| 17:09.40 | boudiccas | OldParr; you've been rattling along with the same probelm for three days now, and kept asking here. i think you've reached the end of the line |
| 17:09.55 | ew0x | pindemon: If mumble is properly packaged you should not need to, still (;)) |
| 17:10.02 | cwg_away | Marezz: I "/msg"ed you - if you have any questions on that line ask me there. |
| 17:10.22 | erawfish_ | ,versions mumble-server |
| 17:10.22 | judd | Package: mumble-server on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.4-4+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.2-6; sid: 1.2.3-2+b2; wheezy: 1.2.3-2+b2; experimental: 1.2.3-192-g683d39b-1 |
| 17:10.29 | erawfish_ | pindemon: did you install one of those? |
| 17:10.30 | ew0x | pindemon: what's in your /etc/logrotate.d/mumble-server ? paste it somewhere |
| 17:10.40 | babilen | Marezz: I can understand that -- fluxbox is not that complicated and a very good WM (imho) though. |
| 17:11.12 | pindemon | ew0x: http://pastebin.com/qXBXxRxH |
| 17:12.02 | ew0x | pindemon: mumble-server user belongs to what groups ? |
| 17:12.25 | Iridos | fluxbox?! I'm all for openbox! |
| 17:12.29 | Iridos | dpkg, start a wm war |
| 17:12.29 | dpkg | KDE bites! |
| 17:12.31 | pindemon | ew0x: mumble-server |
| 17:12.33 | pindemon | oh |
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| 17:12.50 | ew0x | pindemon: adding a line like 'create 770 root mumble-server' should do fine |
| 17:13.16 | Marezz | well whats the difference between fluxbox and openbox? |
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| 17:13.23 | OldParr | erawfish_: as normal user it says daysplay is not set, as root this ---> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/pic0003de.jpg/ |
| 17:13.27 | pindemon | ew0x: and would be better to remove "create 640 root adm" from logrotate.conf? (I've added it to allow loganalyzer to read logs) |
| 17:13.43 | debiantonio | Marezz, see Enlightenment :) |
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| 17:13.51 | pindemon | ew0x: here http://pastebin.com/tG9x8Edd |
| 17:14.01 | pindemon | ew0x: line 9 |
| 17:14.01 | ew0x | pindemon: no, keep it, that's safe defaults which will get overriden anyway by file-specific logrotate.d files |
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| 17:14.12 | pindemon | ok |
| 17:14.17 | erawfish_ | OldParr: why do I see a ctrl+d there on screen? |
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| 17:14.44 | erawfish_ | OldParr: as the new user create a file ~/.xinitrc and put only a single line in there: startkde then run startx |
| 17:15.02 | Marezz | debiantonio: I used enlightenment untill yesterday and it was great, however its missing some settings/config tools |
| 17:15.14 | Marezz | and I heard its a pain to build lol |
| 17:16.03 | ew0x | pindemon: make sure mumble-server is member of mumble-server group, and 'create 660 root mumble-server' will do fine |
| 17:16.18 | pindemon | ew0x: 770 or 660? |
| 17:16.29 | ew0x | pindemon: 660 as it's not a directory |
| 17:16.53 | ew0x | pindemon: no need to have it executable - but keep in mind any account in 'mumble-server' group will have write access to the log file |
| 17:17.06 | pindemon | ew0x: ok |
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| 17:17.24 | debiantonio | Marezz, yehhh |
| 17:17.27 | OldParr | erawfish_: i have not tried that, let me see |
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| 17:17.50 | ew0x | pindemon: if you don't want that do a 'create 640 mumble-server adm', only mumble-server user will have write access, adm group will have read access |
| 17:18.20 | pindemon | ew0x: |
| 17:18.33 | debiantonio | Marezz, but read any tutos :) |
| 17:19.31 | pindemon | ew0x: ok - this now raises for me a new question - I have loganalyzer installed - and I've set it to read mumble-server.log - but It's unable to read the logfile |
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| 17:20.10 | ew0x | pindemon: what user does loganalyzer run as ? |
| 17:21.17 | pindemon | loganalyzer is in php under /var/www - I guess root |
| 17:21.57 | ew0x | pindemon: guessing is not enough ;) If it really runs as root, no matter the permissions it should be able to read any file |
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| 17:23.07 | debiantonio | Marezz, irc.freenode.net and /j #e |
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| 17:24.28 | ew0x | pindemon: check out cron tabs, most probably in /etc/cron.d/loganalyzer or sthg like that, to find out what user it runs as |
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| 17:27.02 | pindemon | ew0x: yes, it's root |
| 17:27.28 | ew0x | pindemon: then it can't fail reading any file |
| 17:27.35 | pindemon | ew0x: no - sorry - my mistake |
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| 17:27.48 | pindemon | ew0x: let me investigate a little more |
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| 17:29.10 | ew0x | pindemon: basicaly, worst case it does not run as root, then in your logrotate.d file get a 'create 660 root mumble-server' then add loganalyzer's user to mumble-server group, logrotate the file or set permissions by hand, and you'll be fine |
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| 17:29.34 | pindemon | ew0x: ok - thanks. |
| 17:29.53 | ew0x | pindemon: but you still have to find out what user loganalyzer runs as ;) |
| 17:30.00 | pindemon | ew0x: yep |
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| 17:30.44 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 17:30.58 | ew0x | pindemon: btw debian provides a nice 'adduser' wrapper to add users to groups. 'adduser X Y' adds user X to group Y. |
| 17:31.27 | Strogg | I have a server that has a printer installed and it's setup in cups. I can print test pages from that server's web interface. how do I share the printer with the rest of the network? I want to connect from my computer via cups |
| 17:32.11 | ew0x | Strogg: Share to the rest of the network via what ? Cups ? |
| 17:32.12 | pindemon | ew0x: my debian knowledge is (obviously) limited - loganalyzer is a php webinterface - does it actually run under a user account? |
| 17:32.23 | ew0x | pindemon: everything runs under a user account |
| 17:32.57 | Strogg | ew0x: yeah. cups. |
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| 17:33.20 | ew0x | pindemon: it can be spawned by root and remain root, spawn as root and setuid to something else, or spawn directly as a limited user |
| 17:33.30 | Strogg | I tried using http printer, and put in my url as http://10.10.0.2/ipp/laser, but it says the destination doesn't exist. not sure what I need to enter here. |
| 17:33.35 | ew0x | Strogg: Then just check 'share this printer' in cups interface ? |
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| 17:33.38 | Strogg | laser is the shared name of the printer. |
| 17:33.48 | Strogg | ew0x: did that. no firewall in the way, either |
| 17:33.55 | en1gma | does anyone in here use hostapd? |
| 17:33.57 | ew0x | Strogg: other CUPS should auto-detect the printer |
| 17:34.18 | Strogg | hrmm |
| 17:34.21 | Strogg | tries auto detect |
| 17:34.40 | ew0x | Strogg: IIRC, in other cups you should have 'find printers' or something in the way |
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| 17:36.07 | Strogg | oooh. I'm making progress. |
| 17:36.29 | Strogg | ew0x: thanks. I deleted the printer I was trying to setup, clicked find printers and it found it. |
| 17:36.36 | ew0x | Strogg: Great job. |
| 17:36.52 | Strogg | ew0x: I had to install some drivers locally, so I had setup the printer locally first, and then was trying to modify it to print to the server. |
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| 17:37.11 | Strogg | blames HP's driver installer. you can't run it unless the printer is installed. |
| 17:37.36 | ew0x | Strogg: should'nt be needed, I think cups auto-exchange ppd's, not so sure, yet. |
| 17:37.38 | pindemon | ew0x: according to documentation phpLogCon |
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| 17:38.08 | moskvat | help, my menu, preferences and administration is hidden before apt-get upgrade -y on debian 6 |
| 17:38.41 | ew0x | pindemon: make sure you have such a user locally |
| 17:39.13 | pindemon | ew0x: I was reading too fast, damn me - www-data is the user |
| 17:39.20 | ew0x | pindemon: :D |
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| 17:40.31 | boudiccas | moskvat; now ask your question in english such that it can be understood please |
| 17:40.34 | ew0x | pindemon: Then get your logrotate.d/mumble-server 'create' line as follow: 'create 640 mumble-server mumble-server' |
| 17:40.50 | pindemon | ew0x: yup - done already =) |
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| 17:41.17 | pindemon | ew0x: next would be "usermod -a -G www-data mumble-server" I guess... |
| 17:41.35 | moskvat | boudiccas, the menu choice and administration disappeared when upgrading Debian. |
| 17:41.42 | ew0x | pindemon: you mean 'adduser www-data mumble-server' ? ;) |
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| 17:41.52 | boudiccas | moskvat; upgrading from what? |
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| 17:42.21 | moskvat | boudiccas, debian |
| 17:42.38 | moskvat | I used apt-get upgrade -y |
| 17:42.50 | boudiccas | moskvat; if you're not going to answer the question then have a nice day |
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| 17:43.45 | Groenleer | Considering the following pastebin, http://pastebin.com/8mT00ATD, what could be wrong? |
| 17:44.26 | moskvat | shell |
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| 17:44.35 | Groenleer | my system doesn't seem to find libgmp.so.10 while it is in the path. |
| 17:44.43 | Groenleer | shell? how do you mean that? |
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| 17:45.52 | moskvat | the menus are gone, now what? |
| 17:46.25 | pindemon | ew0x: great - it worls |
| 17:46.33 | ew0x | pindemon: glad to read that |
| 17:47.00 | pindemon | does "usermod -a -G www-data mumble-server" is the same of "adduser www-data mumble-server"? |
| 17:47.08 | pindemon | ew0x: according to what you said before? |
| 17:47.39 | ew0x | pindemon: exactly the same, yes |
| 17:47.45 | pindemon | ew0x: great |
| 17:47.48 | shah0516 | hi all, I have successfully upgraded kernel and did a dist upgrade and solved all the problems (flash,taskbar, etc). Special thanks to babilen in helping me to sort the issues out.. |
| 17:47.55 | ew0x | pindemon: it just does not break everything if you forget the '-a' ;) |
| 17:48.00 | babilen | shah0516: Yay! |
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| 17:48.26 | babilen | shah0516: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~o" please? |
| 17:48.54 | shah0516 | as requested by babilen: here is the output of sources.list and " apt-get update ; aptitude search '~o' " : http://paste.debian.net/141285/ |
| 17:48.56 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am using debian squeeze, with 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel. My touchpad suddenly stops working. When I look at dmesg, I can see "psmouse.c bad data from kbc bad parity". modprobing psmouse, sets it right. |
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| 17:50.20 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: your touchpad must send some garbage psmouse can't handle under certain circumstances |
| 17:50.43 | babilen | shah0516: You could probably remove/purge most of those packages. "aptitude purge ~o" will do that. If you want to keep some just list them at the end and suffix their names with +. So if you want to keep, for example, worldofgoodemo you would run "aptitude purge ~o worldofgoodemo+" |
| 17:50.50 | babilen | shah0516: Apart from that: yay! |
| 17:51.08 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, I have been facing this problem recently. I have been running debian on it since squeeze came. |
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| 17:51.58 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: then I guess 'under certain circumstances' makes it all... |
| 17:52.04 | josh99 | every 10 minutes my debian laptop shutdown the screen. how to configure this time? |
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| 17:52.11 | shah0516 | babilen: Yay :) purging all packages? |
| 17:53.31 | babilen | shah0516: ~o matches all obsolete packages (they are all those packages that were in lenny but are not in squeeze) -- The list does, however, contain manually installed packages as well. I suspect worldofgoo to belong to the latter category which is why I used it in my example. |
| 17:54.06 | dick-richardson | How do I immediately close a terminal window running 'screen' at login (or better yet, not even open one to begin with)? |
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| 17:54.39 | shah0516 | babilen: thanks for the clarification; and yes you are right that was installed manually which is not needed now. Will purge them |
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| 17:54.56 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, any other suggestion? |
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| 17:55.49 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: Besides firing up a gdb and tracing the module ? |
| 17:56.05 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: you should look up google, maybe someone with the same hardware ran into the same thing |
| 17:56.33 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: otherwise #kernel guys may be your last chance |
| 17:57.15 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, I have done that, and there is no much info on it. Only complains, but no solution. Seems weird. I am also thinking to maybe jump to 2.6.38 from squeeze backports. |
| 17:57.54 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: You can definitely give it a try, yes |
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| 17:58.47 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, thanks :) even debian bts has nothing much on it. But somewhere in redhat bts, there is a mention that some guy faced the same problem with this kernel |
| 17:59.24 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: Yep, always the same story with touchpads. |
| 17:59.56 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, :) |
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| 18:01.42 | wwewe | so |
| 18:01.52 | wwewe | I have a question about sid, is sid upgrading from wheezy |
| 18:02.10 | wwewe | I'd rather use Wheezy because it is more stable, but sid is the only one that has 96xx nVidia packages |
| 18:02.18 | erawfish_ | wwewe: in a way. slightly newer packages, and a lot buggier too |
| 18:02.24 | rozie | wwewe: take a look on backports |
| 18:02.26 | erawfish_ | wwewe: you can backport |
| 18:02.30 | wwewe | oh really |
| 18:02.34 | rozie | wwewe: read about apt pinning |
| 18:02.36 | wwewe | dpkg backports |
| 18:02.36 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:02.47 | erawfish_ | ,versions nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 18:02.49 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 96.43.07-2; squeeze/non-free: 96.43.18-2; sid/non-free: 96.43.20-2 |
| 18:03.02 | wwewe | really what I need is a complete list of 96xx packages |
| 18:03.06 | wwewe | I messed up my X server |
| 18:03.11 | rozie | you don't need to replace all packages, you can upgrade just nvidia and it's dependencies |
| 18:03.12 | wwewe | after aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:03.19 | wwewe | that's cool |
| 18:03.28 | rozie | btw. using testing is probably worst idea |
| 18:03.44 | wwewe | I'm using testing for one reason only: because it works with wine 1.3.28 |
| 18:03.57 | wwewe | I tried using wheezy packages with testing |
| 18:04.01 | wwewe | err stable |
| 18:04.17 | erawfish_ | and what happened? |
| 18:04.19 | wwewe | but combining packages from testing with a stable install gave me problems when trying to install audio software |
| 18:04.35 | wwewe | I learned it's not good to mix wheezy with squeeze |
| 18:04.43 | erawfish_ | if you only tried to use the nvidia packages it wouldn't have done anything like that |
| 18:04.51 | shah0516 | babilen: thanks again! now I see nothing from aptitude search '~o' |
| 18:04.51 | shah0516 | Good day :) |
| 18:04.53 | rozie | wine has it's own repo with newest version working on stable... |
| 18:06.24 | wwewe | well righ9t now it's not booting up with nvidia or nv in xorg.conf |
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| 18:06.50 | wwewe | I see that the nvidia file versions from wheezy are like 274.xx.xx instead of 96.xx |
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| 18:07.00 | wwewe | when I type dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 18:07.28 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 18:07.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:08.12 | rozie | wwewe: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ - take a look on this |
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| 18:16.07 | bjacob | Hello, is there a package for the perf profiler with DWARF support? The one I have here doesn't support DWARF info so it fails badly as debian packages are compiled without frame pointers (x86_64) |
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| 18:20.50 | wwewe | where can I Get a list of all 96xx packages in wheezy |
| 18:21.10 | erawfish_ | there are none |
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| 18:21.47 | erawfish_ | wwewe:aren't you here cause there aren't any? |
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| 18:22.22 | erawfish_ | wwewe: please show us the output of dpkg -l |grep nvidia and what videocard you actually have |
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| 18:34.57 | steph7 | Hi, I installed debian netinst, but I don't know why can't receive an IP from dhcp...iwconfig it's ok, also wpa_supplicant..any suggests? |
| 18:35.40 | sammi` | steph7: check log |
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| 18:36.14 | steph7 | sammi`: what log? |
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| 18:37.23 | steph7 | sammi`: continues to deauthenticate reason 3 |
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| 18:38.20 | sammi` | u mean you need to authenticate to get ip from dhcpd? |
| 18:38.36 | boudiccas | !u |
| 18:38.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:39.00 | sammi` | !well |
| 18:39.00 | dpkg | That's a deep subject, sammi`. |
| 18:39.04 | steph7 | sammi`: how? |
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| 18:39.42 | sammi` | steph7: u can switch tty to exam install process |
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| 18:40.16 | erawfish_ | sammi`: you need to auth and associate to the AP |
| 18:40.18 | steph7 | sammi`: I'm lookin dmesg... |
| 18:40.39 | sammi` | not me erawfish_ it's steph7 |
| 18:41.06 | erawfish_ | sammi`: you asked, not him |
| 18:41.55 | steph7 | erawfish_: continuing connecting and disconnecting, I can check it seeing led on usb wifi key, and dmesg saying: associated - disassociated - deauthenticating..reason 3 a lot of times |
| 18:42.00 | steph7 | *time |
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| 18:43.11 | steph7 | maybe I have to set /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:43.28 | erawfish_ | steph7: how did you configure to use wpasupplicant? |
| 18:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | steph7: Are you running stable/squeeze? |
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| 18:44.17 | steph7 | erawfish_: wpa-passhprase "essid" "pwd" > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:44.44 | erawfish_ | steph7: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 18:45.08 | steph7 | erawfish_:wpa_supplicant -B Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:45.16 | steph7 | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 18:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | What is the adapter chipset? |
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| 18:47.16 | steph7 | jhutchins_lt: dlink dwl g122 c1 |
| 18:47.52 | erawfish_ | steph7: that's no chipset. that's the brand and model name of the whole package |
| 18:48.13 | steph7 | erawfish_: just a moment...I'm copying |
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| 18:48.36 | erawfish_ | steph7: it might be a ralink rt73. do you have the firmware installed? |
| 18:48.39 | steph7 | 07d1:3c03 |
| 18:49.37 | steph7 | erawfish_: yes, I copied on an usb key the firmware: firmware-ralink_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 18:50.03 | steph7 | erawfish_: and installed |
| 18:50.13 | erawfish_ | see the wiki link above |
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| 18:52.30 | steph7 | erawfish_: link above don't work for me...unreachable (from another pc, obv...) |
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| 18:54.58 | erawfish_ | I checked. the wiki is up and works fine. |
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| 18:56.58 | tommjames | anybody ever had a static pop sound at the beginning and end of a sound that's being played? |
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| 19:05.44 | joeoshawa | hello i am installing a .deb and it needs libglib2.0-bin and i cannot seem to find anything on this file |
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| 19:05.59 | joeoshawa | how can i install this on debian squeeze |
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| 19:09.34 | antnash_ | Hey guys. Can I install Debian on existing lvm partitions? |
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| 19:11.03 | macrobat | antnash_: yes, you'll need grub2 to boot it. I don't know how the installer handles it |
| 19:11.18 | erawfish_ | ,versions libglib2.0-bin |
| 19:11.19 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-bin on i386 -- wheezy: 2.28.6-1; sid: 2.28.8-1; experimental: 2.30.1-2 |
| 19:11.32 | erawfish_ | joeoshawa: you sure this package is for squeeze |
| 19:11.58 | antnash_ | macrobat: Is there an installer that will sort it all out for me? |
| 19:12.36 | joeoshawa | no i just know i need it to install my gtkradiant deb |
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| 19:12.59 | rozie | antnash_: you can always use debootstrap to prepare system |
| 19:13.03 | erawfish_ | joeoshawa: where did you get the deb frm? |
| 19:13.09 | joeoshawa | it is a dependancy |
| 19:13.11 | macrobat | antnash_: i haven't used the installer in a long time, I don't know which steps you can skip |
| 19:13.47 | joeoshawa | http://www.4shared.com/file/8OEYpMDz/gtk-radiant-162-12.html |
| 19:13.57 | joeoshawa | its the only place i can find it |
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| 19:14.14 | joeoshawa | believe me i have searched and searched |
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| 19:14.23 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 19:14.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:14.26 | Drectic | How do you add yourself to sudoers again? |
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| 19:14.58 | joeoshawa | i even installed darkradiant instead |
| 19:15.18 | ompaul | !tell Drectic about sudo |
| 19:15.23 | joeoshawa | but it won't compile |
| 19:15.31 | ompaul | Drectic: see the bots answer all info you need |
| 19:15.32 | macrobat | antnash_: i think you have to modprobe dm-mod in a different console first |
| 19:16.01 | antnash_ | This sounds like some work |
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| 19:16.39 | mogget | !tell mogget about sudo |
| 19:17.10 | macrobat | antnash_: not much :D |
| 19:17.47 | mogget | Is !tell accessible through a webpage or similar if one just want to browse? |
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| 19:19.04 | antnash_ | Just had a look and it seems like the standard installer can do it. Excellent! |
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| 19:19.27 | antnash_ | Anyone got a recommedation on a VNC server? |
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| 19:19.36 | boudiccas | !poll |
| 19:19.37 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 19:25.57 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, hi, switching to synaptics driver seems to fix it.. |
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| 19:29.04 | burhan | I am having a strange issue with squeeze. My system's default python is 2.7.2, but whenever I install packages via apt-get, they get installed for site-packages for python 2.6 :/ |
| 19:29.36 | burhan | and hence aren't available to the system python. |
| 19:29.37 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: Glad you found out ! |
| 19:29.46 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Are you a bot? |
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| 19:30.12 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, but I feel like making a bug report. |
| 19:30.23 | arvind_khadri | The only problem is recreating it. |
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| 19:30.50 | jhutchins_lt | antnash_: They're all forks of the same code, it depends on what you need, whether it's sharing the local desktop or just providing remote login. |
| 19:30.54 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: Well, this will most probably be a "won't fix", best you can do is have it google-able for others |
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| 19:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | antnash_: You might try checking out the homepages of the various forks and seeing what they emphasize. |
| 19:31.53 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, yeah. The debian wiki talks of this switch to synaptics. |
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| 19:32.14 | Iridos | mogget, yes, it is. but you can also just /msg dpkg <factoidname> and "browse" in irc... the listkeys and listvalues commands are valuable aids, there |
| 19:32.17 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: see: always google first |
| 19:32.24 | ws2k3 | why this doesnt work : iptables -A INPUT --dport 80 -j DROP |
| 19:32.28 | burhan | any clue about my issue? |
| 19:32.44 | ew0x | ws2k3: Any more details maybe ? |
| 19:32.52 | mogget | Iridos: thank you. |
| 19:33.08 | ew0x | ws2k3: Cause you need to precise the protocol. iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP |
| 19:33.09 | ws2k3 | well i wanne block any sonnection that was destenation port 80 |
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| 19:33.17 | ws2k3 | what if i want both? |
| 19:33.19 | Iridos | (and I forgot the url right now... there must be a factoid containing it, though :P) |
| 19:33.26 | ws2k3 | just 2 rules? |
| 19:33.26 | ew0x | ws2k3: then that's 2 rules |
| 19:33.40 | ws2k3 | ok. |
| 19:33.43 | ws2k3 | then another question |
| 19:34.02 | ew0x | ws2k3: you'de be better off with DROP policies and -j ACCEPT for what's authorized |
| 19:34.20 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 19:34.41 | erawfish_ | burhan: which packages for example? |
| 19:34.57 | ws2k3 | is it possible to detect connections with traffic speed higher then 60 kbps. and close connection and drop the ip source for like 7 days? |
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| 19:35.01 | burhan | python-flask, python-pisa are two that I tried. |
| 19:35.39 | ew0x | ws2k3: that's not netfilter job when it comes to measuring traffic |
| 19:35.39 | Iridos | dpkg, tell mogget -about factoids |
| 19:35.46 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, Ya true.. I hope am not irking you. I was just wondering that, the touchpad should have been working through psmouse. What amazes me is the sudden appearance of thr bug. |
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| 19:36.16 | ew0x | arvind_khadri: Then it's a regression maybe, and should definitely have a bug filed for psmouse |
| 19:36.18 | ws2k3 | ew0x well i know the messure ist the job of netfilter. but how should i messure it then ? |
| 19:36.32 | ws2k3 | if i wanne do that? |
| 19:36.56 | ew0x | ws2k3: you'll have to rely on other tools and use the 'recent' module into netfilter to mark 'badass' IP addresses |
| 19:36.58 | arvind_khadri | ew0x, I so much feel like filing one. |
| 19:37.15 | ew0x | ws2k3: or use traffic shaping to limit rate to 60 kb/s if that's your final goal anyway |
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| 19:37.53 | moskvat | hi |
| 19:38.02 | ws2k3 | we0x is that possible with iptables |
| 19:38.09 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: What are you really tryng to do? |
| 19:38.34 | ws2k3 | well.. its like this i offer a service. |
| 19:38.37 | ew0x | ws2k3: not on its own |
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| 19:38.42 | steph7 | tried backport...nothing |
| 19:38.57 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Why would you drop port 80 when you can simply tell the webserver not to listen to the external port? |
| 19:39.08 | ws2k3 | i shall show u |
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| 19:40.02 | ew0x | ws2k3: NF does good job at limiting rate on a packet-number rate basis, i.e 15 packets per second, not on a bandwith basis i.e '60 kb/sec' |
| 19:40.08 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/bgFgETNM |
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| 19:40.23 | moskvat | I am using debian six, after apt-get upgrade, the options disappeared "Preferences" and "System", what I do now? |
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| 19:41.37 | ws2k3 | i offer a serive with 3th party software. the service i provider support that a UDP packet can be send to the service. the service answers that request with a packet with the service status name currenty users etc. |
| 19:41.55 | ws2k3 | and well.. there are some people/script on the web that do that 999999 times per second i think |
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| 19:42.14 | StephenS | did my server need to have sshd to be able to get ssh tunnel from it? |
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| 19:44.48 | ew0x | ws2k3: All you could do with pure netfilter is say 'if that IP send more than 15 packets a second, "ban" it for 7 days", yeah, anything more evolved is beyond netfilter's scope |
| 19:44.52 | Iridos | ws2k3, what service is that |
| 19:45.21 | steph7 | what firmware needs for ralink rt73 on squeeze??? i tried both ralink and backports..seems dont't works!! |
| 19:45.27 | ws2k3 | game server |
| 19:45.42 | ew0x | ws2k3: then what you want is traffic shaping |
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| 19:46.22 | ws2k3 | we0x how u mean ? |
| 19:46.23 | Iridos | I dunno, something like fail2ban would be useful...but it needs a logged message |
| 19:46.27 | ws2k3 | just limit connection speed or? |
| 19:46.32 | boudiccas | !u |
| 19:46.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:46.49 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Do you have anything to contribute to the discussion? |
| 19:46.57 | ew0x | ws2k3: Yes, sounds like it's your final goal, right ? Never overcome a given bandwith to a given IP ? |
| 19:47.13 | Iridos | you can't really "shape" incoming udp |
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| 19:47.23 | Iridos | you can just ignore it and hope they'll get the hint |
| 19:47.37 | ws2k3 | iridos the problem i need to make my server ignore it |
| 19:47.55 | ws2k3 | now something its uploading around 400 kbps |
| 19:48.05 | Iridos | yeah, we figured that |
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| 19:48.19 | Iridos | the simplest would be to configure the server itself to ignore too many requests from the same IP |
| 19:48.30 | ew0x | ws2k3: you can't shape anything incoming anyway, best results is on egress traffic |
| 19:48.54 | ws2k3 | wel.. if i can shape the outgoing traffic that would do the job |
| 19:49.03 | ws2k3 | iridos thats a possibility to |
| 19:49.12 | ws2k3 | i'll be right back |
| 19:49.16 | ew0x | ws2k3: yes that's what I'm saying for like 15 mins |
| 19:49.27 | ew0x | ws2k3: either drop over-rate incoming or shape egress traffic |
| 19:49.29 | StephenS | how can I restrcit using ssh tunelling on my server ? |
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| 19:50.06 | burhan | StephenS: restrict how? by users? |
| 19:50.14 | StephenS | no by root |
| 19:50.21 | StephenS | I want to restrict it to user yes |
| 19:50.35 | ew0x | StephenS: man sshd_config |
| 19:51.19 | killtime | wat would be the benifits of ncurses on android? |
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| 19:52.34 | Iridos | last time I checked, android wasn't debian. Try #android |
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| 19:56.12 | randomuser` | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers for a gtx560ti, using dkms for ease of upgrade with kernel updates. Unfortunately, the nvidia-glx driver in debian's non-free repo isn't new enough to support it. Is there a recommended alternative repository (or method?) |
| 19:56.39 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: backport the drivers from wheezy or sid. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:56.49 | erawfish_ | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 19:56.50 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; experimental/non-free: 290.03-1 |
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| 19:58.53 | randomuser` | erawfish_, thanks, looking into it |
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| 20:06.08 | rektide | how can i use a dhcp client other than dhclient when doing interfaces configurations? |
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| 20:07.49 | jack_lt | ah a typo overwrited all my files? |
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| 20:08.12 | jack_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.29 | jack_lt | now all the other music files seems to be gone a folder back |
| 20:08.35 | jack_lt | big disaster... |
| 20:09.04 | jack_lt | can I redo? |
| 20:09.17 | jack_lt | starts to sweat |
| 20:09.54 | jack_lt | needs help |
| 20:09.57 | ew0x | jack_lt: ehrm, can you explain further ? |
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| 20:10.37 | jack_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.04 | ompaul | jack_lt: and what did you do to it? |
| 20:11.17 | jack_lt | mv 1994\ -\ Worst\ Case\ Scenario/ ../ |
| 20:11.26 | jack_lt | ../ was mount/music |
| 20:11.51 | jack_lt | now there is only 1994\ -\ Worst\ Case\ Scenario/ in mount/music |
| 20:12.46 | jack_lt | so all the thousands of files or overwritten by 1994\ -\ Worst\ Case\ Scenario/ I guess |
| 20:12.50 | ompaul | jack_lt: lets look at this a bit slower do this - df -h in paste.debian.net |
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| 20:13.13 | ew0x | jack_lt: even a 'tree' output in a paster would be fine |
| 20:13.21 | thewanderer1 | what modules do I need to access my DVD drive? it's not seen currently |
| 20:13.37 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: define "not seen" |
| 20:13.59 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: disk controller and udf should be the main ones |
| 20:14.22 | thewanderer1 | no block device. no entries in dmesg. |
| 20:14.47 | erawfish_ | to what controller is it connected? |
| 20:15.19 | thewanderer1 | IDE on JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA Controller |
| 20:15.33 | erawfish_ | why am I not surprised. Asus mobo? |
| 20:15.48 | erawfish_ | I'm guessing it's a PATH optical drive? |
| 20:15.56 | erawfish_ | *PATA |
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| 20:16.23 | thewanderer1 | GIGABYTE mobo, PATA DVD-RW |
| 20:16.45 | jack_lt | http://fpaste.org/pHUI/ |
| 20:16.56 | jack_lt | it's a mounted server via sshfs |
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| 20:17.44 | ompaul | jack_lt: care to give us the df -h please |
| 20:17.51 | ew0x | jack_lt: you forgot the df |
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| 20:18.05 | thewanderer1 | could anyone with an IDE CD-ROM/DVD-ROM show me what modules they have loaded? |
| 20:18.19 | jack_lt | a wait |
| 20:18.29 | ew0x | jack_lt: if the command you gave is what you actually typed, there's no reson it should have overwritten anything. I'd rather say something went wrong with fuse, fusermount -u then remount your share |
| 20:18.36 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: the important part is the jmicron controller. there is no special module for the drives |
| 20:18.43 | jack_lt | ew0x, you could be right |
| 20:18.50 | jack_lt | if I log in it looks ok |
| 20:19.03 | ew0x | jack_lt: yeah, sshfs s*cks. |
| 20:19.04 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha |
| 20:19.11 | thewanderer1 | now I know why it didn't load automatically |
| 20:19.31 | thewanderer1 | [14989.589585] scsi_mod: Unknown symbol blk_put_queue... I probably messed up module versions vs. kernel versions |
| 20:19.57 | silvertip257 | abrotman: I'm going to set up a caching proxy now for packages ... was there a specific reason you recommend approx over apt-cache? Or even apt-proxy? |
| 20:20.00 | erawfish_ | what did you with your kernel that you replaced scsi_mod? |
| 20:20.02 | ew0x | jack_lt: you'd be better of with NFS if in a controled environment, with CIFS otherwise... |
| 20:20.18 | erawfish_ | silvertip257: apt-cache is no proxy |
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| 20:20.32 | jack_lt | ew0x, sshfs works nice till now |
| 20:20.54 | thewanderer1 | erawfish_, it's netbooted so the files served via TFTP and /lib/modules on NFS are not always in sync... I'll handle it I think |
| 20:21.23 | silvertip257 | erawfish_: right, apt-cacher |
| 20:21.23 | jack_lt | I think my filesystem of my OS is full |
| 20:21.25 | jack_lt | hm |
| 20:21.32 | jack_lt | could give a mounting problem |
| 20:21.37 | ew0x | jack_lt: yeah, but still, if you want something reliable, don't go for user-space implementation for a FS |
| 20:22.20 | jack_lt | ew0x, hmm NFS, just mount a server as 'a filesystem' via ssh, like sshfs can do? |
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| 20:22.58 | Dulak | sshfs is user space |
| 20:23.00 | ew0x | jack_lt: with the difference NFS is supported kernel-space for ages, and does not use ssh, no. |
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| 20:23.48 | jack_lt | ew0x, hmm ssh 'ensures' its more or less secure right? |
| 20:24.08 | ew0x | jack_lt: Yes, that's why I said, 'if in a controled environment' |
| 20:24.18 | jack_lt | ew0x, ok |
| 20:24.37 | Dulak | it's also about an order of magnitude slower than NFS |
| 20:24.42 | ew0x | definitely |
| 20:24.46 | Dulak | so it's a tradeoff |
| 20:24.59 | jack_lt | but only in a controlled env |
| 20:25.00 | jack_lt | hmm |
| 20:25.15 | ew0x | CIFS is inbetween I'd say |
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| 20:25.44 | jack_lt | faster, so better for music also e.g. without disturbing sound? |
| 20:25.50 | ew0x | unless you fear someone is man-in-the-middling your LAN ;) |
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| 20:27.12 | oldtopman | How do I install debian onto a USB device and get it to boot? |
| 20:27.16 | ew0x | faster, kernel space. Fast, reliable. |
| 20:27.21 | oldtopman | Or does it work by default? |
| 20:27.35 | AR-Brad | How do I get Java on Lynx web browser? |
| 20:27.38 | Iridos | sshfs is only slow on ... new directory queries, usually |
| 20:27.56 | ew0x | lstat() basically, yup |
| 20:28.26 | jack_lt | new directory queries? |
| 20:28.42 | ew0x | but i'm mostly worried by the eh-I-mess-with-FS-in-userspace thing, like what just happened to you: ghost unmounts |
| 20:29.25 | thewanderer1 | ok so, err... "can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf", followed by a kernel panic |
| 20:29.58 | Iridos | jack_lt, it's not slow on actual data transfers, only on accessing new files |
| 20:30.22 | AR-Brad | How do I log onto this IRC with a Linux shell? |
| 20:30.43 | oldtopman | AR-Brad: irssi |
| 20:30.45 | jack_lt | Iridos, I use it mostly to mount and then play music from there with mplayer |
| 20:30.49 | ew0x | AR-Brad: you could use netcat if you're hardcore, but IRSSI is quite OK. |
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| 20:31.03 | AR-Brad | Ok, I'm using Lynx. Obviously the wrong thing. |
| 20:31.06 | zykotick9 | oldtopman, regular install onto the USB, BUT be careful to switch Grub to installing onto the USB (and not the HD) |
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| 20:31.20 | randomuser` | erawfish_, i've added a sid as a repo but 1) it looks like its enabled by default, not the desired behaviour, and 2) it's pulling in packages with versions that are too old to satisfy dependencies, as if it is getting them from the wrong repo |
| 20:31.34 | oldtopman | zykotick9: Did that once to another hard drive :P |
| 20:31.36 | oldtopman | Thanks! |
| 20:31.52 | AR-Brad | Ah, installing now. Thanks oldtopman, thanks ew0x. |
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| 20:32.41 | ew0x | AR-Brad: you're welcome. Fear the learning curve, tho. |
| 20:32.50 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: what is your sources.list line for the repo you just added? |
| 20:32.55 | AR-Brad | ew0x: learning curve? |
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| 20:33.15 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: and what package (full name and version) is it pulling in? |
| 20:34.06 | AR-Brad | It says I'm banned on this IRC |
| 20:34.08 | ew0x | AR-Brad: Using irssi is like being a PIMP, you can have it doing *anything* (it's totally scriptable), but you might spend hours and hours (and hours) having it tottaly adapted |
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| 20:34.26 | AR-Brad | ew0x: I see |
| 20:34.30 | silvertip257 | Looks like I'm going to go with approx to cache my downloaded packages ... http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2008-05/msg00038.html |
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| 20:36.04 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: how do you try to connect to freenode in irssi? what command? |
| 20:36.22 | thewanderer1 | ok, panic solved, was just a random change in udev rules that I didn't notice and that caused renaming eth0 to eth1 |
| 20:36.27 | jack_lt | thanks bbl |
| 20:36.37 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: /connect irc.debian.org |
| 20:36.49 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: that is not freenode. that is oftc |
| 20:36.49 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Then /join #debian |
| 20:37.06 | AR-Brad | webchat.freenode.net? |
| 20:37.09 | erawfish_ | !oftc |
| 20:37.10 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 20:37.32 | erawfish_ | no. irc.debian.org is irc.oftc.net. if you want to get on freenode you need /connect irc.freenode.net |
| 20:37.44 | randomuser` | erawfish_, 1) deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid nonfree contrib 2) trying to install nvidia-glx metapackage, needs v 280.13.really.275.28-1 of: libg11-nvidia-glx "not going o be instaled" xserver-xorg-video-nvidia "not going to be installed" and nvidia-vdpau-driver "installing 195.36.31-6" |
| 20:37.53 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Ok, thank you |
| 20:37.57 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: wrong sources.list line. read the ssb factoid more carefully. you need deb-src |
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| 20:38.32 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: and you don't use apt-get install either. again: read the factoid and pay more attention |
| 20:39.52 | randomuser` | erawfish_, reading it - i didnt get the factoid the first time , idiot typo |
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| 20:41.05 | AR-Brad | erawfish_ It's not letting me join.... It says "cannot send to channel" |
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| 20:41.39 | erawfish_ | which channel? and if it cannot send it has already joined |
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| 20:41.53 | AR-Brad | #debian |
| 20:42.07 | erawfish_ | try another channel? |
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| 20:42.50 | AR-Brad | I tried ##Linux, and it still says that it cannot send to channel |
| 20:43.05 | AR-Brad | It let me join, just not send |
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| 20:44.29 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: should I disconnect then reconnect? |
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| 20:45.50 | cubuanic | hi, i have problems with configuring squeeze-updates in apt preferences. did evrything as in http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates, but still getting this: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/155169 - how this could be, and where is problem? |
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| 20:46.37 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: maybe connect with irssi only? no webchat |
| 20:46.54 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: How do I do that? |
| 20:47.31 | erawfish_ | cubuanic: what you do there is godawful and unsupported. mixing debian branches leads to very fast headaches and reinstalls |
| 20:47.46 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: disconnect with your lynx, connect only with irssi? |
| 20:47.59 | AR-Brad | Lynx did disconnect |
| 20:48.24 | AR-Brad | I am able to see what everyone says when I join, but it won't let me send any thing |
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| 20:48.40 | cubuanic | erawfish_: well, sometimes i want to install from testing or unstable, but my question is not related to this |
| 20:48.44 | cubuanic | isn't? |
| 20:49.02 | cubuanic | as you could see, tzdata-2011m have higher priority, but not selected to intall |
| 20:49.04 | cubuanic | why? |
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| 20:49.25 | erawfish_ | cubuanic: you cannot "Install from testing or unstable". that way you run unstable with a crappy selection and not working packages. in the end it's much worse than a pure unstable |
| 20:49.45 | erawfish_ | cubuanic: most probably fucked up dependencies |
| 20:50.06 | AR-Brad | Connected |
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| 20:50.10 | AR-Brad | But won't let me send |
| 20:50.25 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: you are still connected via lynx cause you are still here |
| 20:50.39 | AR-Brad | I just connected with irssi |
| 20:50.54 | AR-Brad | That's AR-Brad2 |
| 20:50.59 | erawfish_ | I said disconnect with the webchat. your AR-Brad nick is still here |
| 20:51.02 | cubuanic | erawfish_: well, as i see we have different vision here, but again, my question as not about this. how i can debug this problem? |
| 20:51.20 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Oh, on this computer! |
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| 20:51.58 | erawfish_ | no. I mean disconnect with BOTH, the only connect with irssi |
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| 20:52.00 | silvertip257 | Anyone know if there's anything special I need to do in order to cache packages for both Lenny and Squeeze using approx? I don't want package collisions, etc. |
| 20:52.19 | AR-Brad | One moment.. |
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| 20:52.26 | Iridos | cubuanic, actually... don't see what you mean says: Candidate: 2011m-0squeeze1 |
| 20:52.29 | erawfish_ | silvertip257: if packages are different they have a different filename. if the filename is the same, they are the exact same packages |
| 20:52.40 | silvertip257 | fair enough |
| 20:52.57 | randomuser` | erawfish_, i'm still missing something here. as a test, after enabling backports, `apt-get upgrade -t squeeze-backports -s` tells me there are no updates availabl |
| 20:53.18 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: you cannot enable backports for new nvidia drivers. you need sid or wheezy and backport |
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| 20:53.44 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: cause nvidia drivers are not backported. you have to create your own backport of them |
| 20:53.48 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: No dice. |
| 20:53.56 | AR-Brad | Still refuses to let me send |
| 20:54.13 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: you are trying to irc as root. which is a bad idea. always irc as a normal user |
| 20:54.21 | randomuser` | erawfish_, i might even be happy with nouveau - but understanding the process is as important as the result |
| 20:54.29 | cubuanic | Iridos: wtf.... i was blind?... seems, i did several trying to configure correctly, and just missed moment when everything was fixed |
| 20:54.34 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: nouveau doesn't do 3D acceleration |
| 20:54.40 | cubuanic | Iridos: thanks for opening my eyes :) |
| 20:54.46 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: I can't remember the pass/username to my real account. |
| 20:54.50 | Iridos | yw |
| 20:54.57 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: #freenode |
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| 20:55.19 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: but they probably tell you you need to let your normal account expire and then reregister |
| 20:55.33 | randomuser` | erawfish_, it does well enough in the newer versions, although im not sure when that started working well (usually I run fedora, and I'm happy with the nouveau they package) |
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| 20:55.52 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Do I sign in as my IRC account or the Linux account? |
| 20:56.00 | AR-Brad | I think I got confused there |
| 20:56.40 | randomuser` | /msg nickserv help |
| 20:56.43 | erawfish_ | sign in where? and how is this debian related? |
| 20:57.03 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: as long as you run stuff as root, it won't work anyways |
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| 20:57.45 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: I'll try to remember the username/pass to my real account |
| 20:57.53 | SupaYoshi | Is it possible to configure Debian so that it like updates everything automaticly every .... days |
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| 20:58.32 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: it's nothing to do with freenode accounts. use your normal debian user to start irssi or you will continue to have problems and everyone calls you an idiot since you irc as root. except for the script kiddies which try to hack your system because of it |
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| 20:58.56 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: apt-cron |
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| 20:59.04 | fbs | where is fglrx in wheezy ?! |
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| 20:59.15 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Oh... I see.... |
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| 20:59.37 | SupaYoshi | My server is gonna run minecraft, and maybe webhosting, aka directadmin perhaps, and ssh, im going to install fail2ban |
| 20:59.43 | erawfish_ | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 20:59.44 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-9-2 |
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| 20:59.57 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: I hate how I keep having to ask for help, but I am a complete Linux novice.. Debian is the first version I have ever used. |
| 20:59.58 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: does not exist. backport it. you run wheezy, you know how to do it |
| 20:59.59 | SupaYoshi | Any other security messaures i should take besides patching, setting up things carefully, and that |
| 21:00.32 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: then you are in the right place. lessen one about linux: do not run stuff as root unless you must, e.g. to change system settings, to install packages, etc |
| 21:00.38 | erawfish_ | *lesson |
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| 21:00.55 | SupaYoshi | lawl ofcourse im not gonna |
| 21:01.02 | SupaYoshi | :D |
| 21:01.03 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: you shouldn't run testing. |
| 21:01.03 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Understood. |
| 21:01.37 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: that was not for you. you shouldn't ever run testing on a system you want to be secure |
| 21:02.08 | SupaYoshi | what |
| 21:02.31 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: testing is NOT for every running a server. it is insecure. no proper security support |
| 21:02.41 | erawfish_ | *for ever running |
| 21:02.46 | SupaYoshi | ohhh hhaha got u :3 |
| 21:02.50 | erawfish_ | !u |
| 21:02.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:03.39 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: sorry. I was mis-tabbing to you instead of fbs |
| 21:03.49 | erawfish_ | fbs: there is no fglrx in wheezy. you need to backport it |
| 21:03.55 | Iridos | also, if you wouldn't mind to spell it "measures"? |
| 21:03.56 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: It worked, I think |
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| 21:04.21 | SupaYoshi | Ohhhhh |
| 21:04.22 | AR-Brad2 | Test |
| 21:04.29 | AR-Brad2 | Eureka |
| 21:04.31 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: AR-Brad2 is still ircing as root. nothing worked. fix that! |
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| 21:04.36 | SupaYoshi | Yea sorry, :P thats cus i cant spell |
| 21:04.42 | erawfish_ | ok, now you use your normal user. good |
| 21:04.48 | SupaYoshi | But ehm, :D is there antyhign like fail2ban? |
| 21:04.50 | OldParr | kde ships a "failsafe" session but it is not in the display manager, is that normal? |
| 21:04.56 | AR-Brad2 | erawfish_: Haha, yeah. |
| 21:04.59 | SupaYoshi | I had that on CentOS |
| 21:05.03 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: sure. fail2ban is a debian package in every debian repo |
| 21:05.06 | SupaYoshi | :P With an asterisk serve |
| 21:05.12 | erawfish_ | ,info fail2ban |
| 21:05.12 | SupaYoshi | :D oh |
| 21:05.13 | judd | Package fail2ban (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors. Version: 0.8.4-3; Size: 94.6k; Installed: 660k; Homepage: http://www.fail2ban.org |
| 21:05.24 | SupaYoshi | Yea :D i would like that for ssh haha |
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| 21:06.04 | peterrooney_ | dpkg: Sunday |
| 21:06.04 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:06.05 | SupaYoshi | server basicly needs a few open ports only :D just ssh, ftp, minecraft, and maybe webserver |
| 21:06.13 | AR-Brad2 | erawfish_: Can you help me further? I need my ATI Rage drivers. |
| 21:06.24 | fbs | erawfish_: they removed it because its incompatible wiht xserver .11 |
| 21:06.28 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad2: PC or Mac? |
| 21:06.38 | AR-Brad2 | erawfish_: Mac |
| 21:06.45 | erawfish_ | !ppc |
| 21:06.45 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:07.07 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad2: but normally the driver should be included in debian by default and just work. maybe check your Xorg.0.log in /var/log |
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| 21:07.26 | randomuser` | erawfish_, this is turning into dependency hell, and I'm going to stop. Its not worth bootstrapping build tools. Thanks for the help. |
| 21:07.43 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: then you are doing it wrong. very very wrong |
| 21:07.50 | AR-Brad2 | erawfish_: I checked that. It says that there are no drivers installed. I used the net install package, so I don't know if something went wrong during installation or what. |
| 21:08.10 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: you simply install build-essential from squeeze repos, and the linux-header package for your kernel. NOTHING else needed |
| 21:08.28 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad2: if you have xorg installed, you have the driver for your videocard |
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| 21:08.53 | randomuser` | erawfish_, creating the package locally needed a newer version of debhelper - which needed newer versions of three other packages to build. I've been down this path before |
| 21:09.09 | AR-Brad2 | erawfish_: Well, I don't know how to get it to work. I'm going to join the #debianppc channel. Thank you for the help. I appreciate it. |
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| 21:09.56 | ws2k3 | ew0x so ur advice is just to count the packets? |
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| 21:10.57 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: which source package did you download exactly? |
| 21:10.57 | chretienmn | hello guys any idea about this "Failed to fetch http://www.apache.org/dist/cassandra/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.gz 403 Forbidden" |
| 21:11.02 | SupaYoshi | Aw men, :D Hey like, ehm... i kinda forgot there was something that made people unable to scan ports? Like ah Intrusion Detector? |
| 21:11.17 | SupaYoshi | For debian.... I looked into this months ago |
| 21:11.17 | chretienmn | while trying to update cassandra? |
| 21:11.20 | erawfish_ | chretienmn: ask apache.org, it's their server. we don't know what repos they have |
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| 21:11.50 | randomuser` | erawfish_, nvidia-glx |
| 21:12.03 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: what was your exact line to download it? |
| 21:12.15 | erawfish_ | e.g. the apt-get command |
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| 21:12.40 | randomuser` | erawfish_, apt-get -b source nvida-glx |
| 21:13.10 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: can you paste its output in a pastebin? |
| 21:13.46 | randomuser` | erawfish_, how about `aptitude build-dep nvidia-glx` ? |
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| 21:14.50 | chretienmn | erawfish_: here #apache-directory ? |
| 21:14.57 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: I just don't see any nvidia package needing debhelper here and I want to know which exact package would need it |
| 21:15.05 | erawfish_ | chretienmn: #httpd |
| 21:15.43 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: so whatever tells you it wants a debhelper upgrade. commandline and its full output |
| 21:16.00 | OldParr | kde ships a "failsafe" session but it is not in the display manager, is that normal? |
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| 21:16.41 | randomuser` | erawfish_, http://pastebin.com/Tz5amDNh |
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| 21:17.52 | deever | hi |
| 21:18.01 | randomuser` | it's not a package dependency, it's a build tool |
| 21:18.16 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: simply do a apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers and then run fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage in the nvidia directory |
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| 21:19.18 | ws2k3 | ew0x so ur advice is just to count the packets? |
| 21:19.57 | SupaYoshi | Hi, is IDS/IPS snort system a good way of getting your server more secure? Or no need? |
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| 21:20.14 | randomuser` | erawfish_, i think we're calling a dog a hound here, but giving it a try |
| 21:20.43 | deever | i'm using the 'route' and 'iptables' commads in /etc/network/interfaces and don't get it to work...i'm always getting "SIOCADDRT: File exists" and "SIOCADDRT: Network is down" errors |
| 21:20.49 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: if you have to ask that, you cannot admin/maintain the software so it's no use to you |
| 21:21.04 | erawfish_ | deever: use them how? |
| 21:21.08 | deever | anyone here who knows that issue? |
| 21:21.09 | SupaYoshi | :P lawl, i know it is.... |
| 21:21.17 | SupaYoshi | But... xD what is your opinion |
| 21:21.23 | SupaYoshi | about the package |
| 21:21.29 | un214 | every time I open a console I find I need to start with these as root: |
| 21:21.30 | SupaYoshi | i mean, if there is something better, please tell me |
| 21:21.31 | deever | erawfish_: in pre-up, post-up, pre-down and post-down lines |
| 21:21.33 | un214 | unicode_stop |
| 21:21.37 | un214 | setfont -m cp437 |
| 21:21.58 | SupaYoshi | :P And I heard about a script that set it all up for you @freepbx sometime ago... |
| 21:22.15 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: then ask them, not us |
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| 21:22.53 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: but a free hint: free magic security bullets don't work |
| 21:23.01 | randomuser` | SupaYoshi, the mose secure system is turned off, physically disabled. Next, not networked in any way, physically secured, no portable media allowed, etc. Its up to youto decide the appropriate level of security, as nobody knows your use case better |
| 21:23.31 | un214 | how do I change console defaults to non-unicode? |
| 21:23.37 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: addendum: paid magic security bullets don't work either, but they cost you money |
| 21:23.40 | randomuser` | erawfish_, http://pastebin.com/aNTDAxjc |
| 21:23.48 | erawfish_ | !tell un214 about locales |
| 21:24.03 | un214 | wrong answer |
| 21:24.06 | babilen | un214: Why would you want that? (just curious) |
| 21:24.19 | randomuser` | hangon, ill &> |
| 21:24.27 | un214 | because some programs don't handle multi-byte character sets yet |
| 21:24.29 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: and the problem is? |
| 21:24.39 | un214 | e.g. nethck |
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| 21:25.00 | randomuser` | erawfish_, hang on, warnings dont pipe by default... |
| 21:25.23 | erawfish_ | un214: so if you change locale to iso8859-1 everything still uses unicode? |
| 21:25.35 | babilen | nethack works fine here fwiw, but I was just curious. I would consider every single program that doesn't work with unicode to be utterly broken nowadays. But yeah, just set the default locale or your user's locale to something non-utf8 |
| 21:25.45 | randomuser` | http://pastebin.chttp://pastebin.com/BNESaScRom/BNESaScR |
| 21:25.58 | randomuser` | http://pastebin.com/BNESaScR sorry |
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| 21:26.28 | un214 | babilen: changing environment variables doesn't stop kernel from interpreting high-ascii bytes as UTF-8 |
| 21:26.52 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: did you use apt-get -b source or apt-get source? |
| 21:27.38 | Iridos | randomuser`, apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 21:27.50 | randomuser` | -b source, as directed by the helpful bot |
| 21:27.54 | erawfish_ | Iridos: please read the backlock |
| 21:28.04 | Iridos | erawfish_, what, like, all of it?! |
| 21:28.10 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: and I told you not to do it above. why didn't you read that? |
| 21:28.26 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: I gave you the exact commands to use |
| 21:28.38 | randomuser` | erawfish_, would it affect the unmet dependency issue, or are you just frustrated? |
| 21:28.49 | un214 | erawfish_: the userspace programs send iso8859-1 |
| 21:29.02 | un214 | but the kernel interprets the bytes as UTF-8 and get confused |
| 21:29.21 | erawfish_ | I'm getting frustrated by your actions yes. if you don't want help, no problem for me. my video card works fine |
| 21:29.53 | un214 | right now, i'm running unicode_stop ; setfont -m cp437 as root on every console |
| 21:30.18 | un214 | I want to set the default |
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| 21:31.32 | randomuser` | erawfish_, i'm grateful for the help. Dont get worked up, i'm just some random confused guy |
| 21:31.36 | babilen | un214: The first 256 code points in unicode are latin1 -- What is the actual issue here? |
| 21:31.44 | babilen | s/unicode/utf8 |
| 21:31.53 | Iridos | erawfish_, missing build-essential wouldn't cause Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied;", afaik |
| 21:32.12 | un214 | babilen: so they are but byte sequence 0xA0 0xA1 doesn't do the same thing |
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| 21:32.43 | erawfish_ | Iridos: some reason or other, something wants a new debhelper. tho I never noticed such a problem backporting nvidia drivers. however, right now I don't have a squeeze host handy |
| 21:33.42 | erawfish_ | and maybe the new version after the X ABI disaster needs it. sorta. but I'm betting it's just a oversight by the sid maintainer, so simply trying to build tha package anyways without getting build deps |
| 21:33.54 | babilen | un214: That is outside latin1 isn't it? |
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| 21:34.09 | un214 | babilen: they're box drawing characters |
| 21:34.16 | erawfish_ | babilen: but inside the hack that is codepage 437? |
| 21:34.44 | babilen | erawfish_: I am happy that I haven't memorised cp437 :) |
| 21:34.49 | Iridos | erawfish_, fairysnuff, I haven't followed the whole discussion... but then you have to edit the build-deps, else dpkg-buildpackage will bork (maybe that was what you said, though, backlog's a bit long to see all) |
| 21:34.49 | un214 | I can set some other codepages (in fact any) but only single byte codepages work |
| 21:34.49 | babilen | (or rather: don't have to) |
| 21:34.53 | lapsusbrutus | anyone knows why the echo -n "\a something" does not sound the bell? it should I guess? on wheezy |
| 21:35.02 | randomuser` | erawfish_, you're suggesting I force it? |
| 21:35.02 | erawfish_ | codepages define characters >128, <255 |
| 21:35.14 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: no I suggest you do what i wrote above |
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| 21:35.25 | erawfish_ | only the dpkg-buildpackage needs to be done now |
| 21:36.02 | erawfish_ | and if dpkg-buildpackage shows an error, one can edit debian/rules too. at most the compile fails. 10 minutes lost time, nothing else, but at least one tried |
| 21:36.52 | randomuser` | erawfish_, http://pastebin.com/WpuvrBXn |
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| 21:38.23 | erawfish_ | randomuser`: please use paste.debian.net. no captcha. and I'd override |
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| 21:39.02 | Iridos | I don'T get a captcha |
| 21:39.06 | Iridos | must be more trustworthy than you |
| 21:40.03 | Iridos | anyway, nuffin new: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 8.1.3) |
| 21:41.17 | randomuser` | erawfish_, interestingly, debian/rules specifies debhelper >= 8 (no .n) but warnings say >=8.1.3 |
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| 21:42.38 | un214 | no really, how do I change default kernel codepage to 437? |
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| 21:48.19 | Onryo | Does anybody have a intel z68 based mobo that was 100% free of problems *cough*sound issues*cough* If so what mobo you using. |
| 21:48.23 | Dulak | un214: read this: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl4_console_codes.htm |
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| 21:50.16 | Dulak | un214: special attention to the header CHARACTER SETS |
| 21:51.16 | Onryo | OK is there a Z68 mobo you guys would recommend. Using Debain testing with only mail repos. |
| 21:51.27 | un214 | yeah I know all that |
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| 21:51.49 | streuner_ | you know everything, why do you ask here then? |
| 21:51.50 | un214 | to keep it working I've been typing setfont -m cp437 after logging in as root on every single console |
| 21:52.06 | un214 | how do I set the initial state of the console on boot? |
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| 21:53.11 | Sync | hei, I have an issue with ejabberd not starting on wheezy amd64, the crashlog is here: http://pastebin.com/HNG8UvbG I'm not too sure what's going on here |
| 21:53.19 | ew0x | ws2k3: sorry, was gone |
| 21:53.23 | ew0x | ws2k3: basically, two options |
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| 21:53.43 | Sakura | Weird question: When I disconnected around 20 minutes ago, what was my quit message? |
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| 21:54.16 | streuner_ | * Sakura hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 21:54.17 | Dulak | un214: /etc/default/console-setup |
| 21:54.25 | ew0x | ws2k3: a) the less 'clever' one: drop every packet over a given packet/second rate, so your clients won't get an answer (that's non-conservative, as it will just make things stop working) |
| 21:54.29 | erawfish_ | Sakura: [Quit: Leaving.] |
| 21:54.29 | Sakura | Thanks. |
| 21:54.54 | un214 | no such file Dulak |
| 21:54.59 | erawfish_ | ew0x: iptables can do rate limiting. according to google |
| 21:55.05 | Dulak | un214: what version of debian? |
| 21:55.13 | un214 | squeeze |
| 21:55.15 | ew0x | ws2k3: b) the most 'clever' one: do egress trafic shaping with netfilter + tc, ensuring clients will never got more than a given amount of bandwith |
| 21:55.32 | Dulak | un214: nifty, I'm on squeeze and it exists for me... |
| 21:55.57 | un214 | can you pastebin yours as a starting point? |
| 21:56.02 | erawfish_ | un214: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 21:56.08 | ew0x | erawfish_: I'd be curious to see that. |
| 21:56.25 | Iridos | it's in the package keyboard-configuration |
| 21:56.29 | un214 | console-setup is not installed |
| 21:57.09 | ew0x | erawfish_: 'rate' limiting based on the number of packets that match, yes, that was already explained, that's case a), but *not* based on used bandwith |
| 21:57.12 | erawfish_ | ew0x: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
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| 21:57.36 | erawfish_ | ew0x: used bandwith would be stuff like htb I guess |
| 21:57.59 | erawfish_ | ,info console-setup |
| 21:57.59 | judd | Package console-setup (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: console font and keymap setup program. Version: 1.68+squeeze2; Size: 626.6k; Installed: 1512k |
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| 21:58.54 | Dulak | That's weird dpkg -S /etc/default/console-setup gave me a file not found error |
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| 21:59.13 | ew0x | erawfish_: 'stuff like htb' is called traffic shaping, that's one of the queueing discipline. |
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| 22:00.48 | ew0x | erawfish_: or 'qdisc' in tc's terminology, but I guess that does not come out of the first google result, right ? |
| 22:00.52 | Dulak | I don't remember installing that package but it's there, though dpkg is acting like none of the files exist.... |
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| 22:01.52 | josh99 | every 10 minutes my debian laptop shutdown the screen. is there a way to increase the time? |
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| 22:02.33 | Dulak | josh99: using gnome on squeeze? |
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| 22:02.41 | un214 | Dulak: it's an optional package that wasn't present |
| 22:02.45 | josh99 | Dulak: no. awesomeWM |
| 22:02.47 | streuner_ | Dulak: normal, its generated... |
| 22:02.57 | un214 | what's weird is it can't seem to configure the console codepoint mapping |
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| 22:03.33 | streuner_ | Dulak: same result - amset:/tmp# ls -l /etc/default/console-setup |
| 22:03.33 | streuner_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3894 Apr 14 2011 /etc/default/console-setup |
| 22:03.56 | Dulak | streuner_: ahhhh, didn't realize it would be generated and not tracked |
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| 22:04.37 | Dulak | josh99: I don't know how to change the setting in awesomeWM, but in gnome it's powermanagement under screensaver |
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| 22:04.56 | josh99 | Dulak: np. thank you |
| 22:05.16 | josh99 | i guess it's a question i should ask in #awesome |
| 22:05.26 | erawfish_ | ew0x: it sort of does for me cause I know when I want to do this I go to lartc (or I use cgroups which I prefer: seems to be simpler to me to use) |
| 22:05.47 | erawfish_ | josh99: awesome probably doesn't deal with dpms timeout |
| 22:06.08 | josh99 | erawfish_: so where should i look for it? |
| 22:06.13 | erawfish_ | josh99: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html try xset for dpms first |
| 22:06.25 | ew0x | erawfish_: I'd love to see how cgroups can shape traffic on a per-client basis for a single process |
| 22:06.32 | erawfish_ | if it's a simple screen blanking |
| 22:06.47 | josh99 | erawfish_: great. reading your link |
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| 22:08.40 | un214 | there we go answer appers to be to not install console-map and use kbd instead |
| 22:09.00 | un214 | the script for console-map will never issue setfont -m but kbd will |
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| 22:09.45 | ew0x | erawfish_: the point being you jump into a conversation which started like 1h30 ago with little clue of what had already been discussed or not on that matter. I'm glad you're trying to help but that's actually double or triple work when trying to answer to the original question. |
| 22:10.19 | ew0x | erawfish_: (and I don't mean no offense, I hope you get my point) |
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| 22:17.09 | Achylles_ | Hi, I have a 20gb HD mounted as LVM. Can I move my /root partition there? Because my computer is in a critical state=0gb of /root space |
| 22:17.30 | Achylles_ | And it is always complaining |
| 22:18.05 | Achylles_ | I cannot even remove appls :( |
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| 22:21.29 | streuner_ | ew0x: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ (if you get my point) |
| 22:22.22 | erawfish_ | Achylles_: how does moving /root help you with a lack of space? |
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| 22:22.35 | erawfish_ | e.g. what do you have in /root? |
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| 22:23.51 | Achylles_ | erawfish_, When I installed my system I only reserved 11gb for root and now it is full |
| 22:24.16 | nkuttler | Achylles_: try apt-get clean |
| 22:24.21 | ew0x | streuner_: I'm afraid I don't. |
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| 22:24.47 | erawfish_ | Achylles_: you need to write a lot more carefully. /root has a distinct meaning of the directory /root |
| 22:25.03 | Achylles_ | I already have purged many appls, but still not enough space |
| 22:25.04 | streuner_ | ew0x: you need professional help for your production server, right? |
| 22:25.21 | ew0x | streuner_: What makes you say so ? |
| 22:25.34 | streuner_ | answer my question |
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| 22:26.35 | Achylles_ | erawfish_, I have already issued > apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean && apt-get autoremove and used BeachBit |
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| 22:26.58 | Achylles_ | But still in a critical state |
| 22:27.14 | nkuttler | Achylles_: define critical |
| 22:27.36 | ew0x | streuner_: I was actually answering a question from ws2k3. I don't need any help. I was the one answering, actually. |
| 22:27.46 | Achylles_ | nkuttler, critical |
| 22:28.13 | nkuttler | Achylles_: ok, good luck.. |
| 22:28.53 | Achylles_ | nkuttler, even for me to acess X has been difficult |
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| 22:29.21 | ew0x | streuner_: But I'd love to know why I should argument that with you, still ? You're the second guy jumping in and getting things all wrong, by the way, are you a club or something ? |
| 22:29.26 | josh99 | erawfish_: set -q shows me both screen saver and DPMS. how do i know which one is relevant? i guess i can try change the DMPS to higher values and see if it takes effect. it only relevant when i watch a movie. i would like to set it to 3 hours and when i'm done i'll switch it back to 10 min. |
| 22:29.35 | josh99 | http://pastebin.com/Cufgmhc2 |
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| 22:31.04 | streuner_ | ew0x: in most case this club isnt that wrong :-) |
| 22:31.23 | streuner_ | cases* |
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| 22:32.37 | ew0x | streuner_: Good then, I'll let clueless googlers answer technical questions from now on. Happy Ubuntuing :-) |
| 22:32.50 | streuner_ | heh? :-) |
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| 22:35.36 | streuner_ | ew0x: there are actually more than 1100 people here, so you shouldnt judge the channel what one person told you... |
| 22:36.20 | erawfish_ | ew0x: you're a great example for sunday people on #d. keep up the good work |
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| 22:38.13 | un214 | ok erawfish_, Dulak: there's definitely a bug in the kbd package |
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| 22:39.54 | erawfish_ | un214: when you have problems with nethack and its extended ascii codes, are you sitting directly at the console or are you using ssh or such? |
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| 22:40.18 | un214 | telnet to nao |
| 22:40.28 | erawfish_ | nao? |
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| 22:40.36 | un214 | nethack.alt.org public server |
| 22:40.37 | streuner_ | nano? |
| 22:40.39 | streuner_ | oh |
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| 22:41.16 | un214 | I can set to use any single-byte character set but unicode support is not available |
| 22:42.36 | un214 | anyway bug is in kbd package, when codepage is set but font is not (I use the shipped font in BIOS) it ignores the settings and applies unicode |
| 22:43.09 | erawfish_ | un214: works fine for me with utf8 |
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| 22:44.07 | un214 | erawfish_: try setting IBMGraphics ro DECGraphics |
| 22:44.54 | terr_ | I just did a KUBUNTU install and have managed to find the terminal and am checking things out. I'm used to debain with a KDE gui but its real old. I'm not sure I like kubuntu. I see precious little in installed packages and defaault partitioning is baicially toss everything in "/". Next the kb is screwed up and I don't have even a "/" character... it shows some backwards "e" and I can't properly even use the command line even though I |
| 22:44.55 | terr_ | I asked for a US KB. How about debian? I'm sure there are ppl here who are comfortable with both distros. For instance what is the default partitioning with the latest debian release? |
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| 22:45.16 | erawfish_ | un214: does the ncurses debconf interface look fine for you without your special settings? |
| 22:45.26 | un214 | yes. |
| 22:46.06 | un214 | ncurses is on the local machine and inspects system setup |
| 22:46.13 | un214 | ncurses over telnet probably doesn't work |
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| 22:46.28 | un214 | in fact I know it doesn't |
| 22:46.54 | un214 | (didn't try telnet but ncurses over ssh displays garbage instead of boxdrawing) |
| 22:47.06 | terr_ | here are some more details. I haven't looked too hard yet but I see only one editor (from an icon). I use vi and emacs. Are they installed by defualt in either Kubuntu or the latest debian? How about the GNU tools? |
| 22:47.42 | erawfish_ | terr_: best stop asking anything about ubuntu |
| 22:48.21 | erawfish_ | terr_: if you want distro comparisons, go to ##linux |
| 22:48.23 | terr_ | erawfish_: then just tell me if I can find a default packages list for the latest debian. |
| 22:48.37 | terr_ | erawfish_: good idea |
| 22:48.50 | erawfish_ | terr_: debian has no "default packages" except for a few things like kernel, dpkg and other things which must be there. it is not ubuntu |
| 22:49.07 | un214 | oh yes it does |
| 22:49.12 | erawfish_ | and for a list of packages and their versions in different distros, go to distrowatch |
| 22:49.20 | un214 | do an install from CD to vm and list installed packages to find out |
| 22:49.46 | terr_ | erawfish_: when I installed woody it came fully loaded but I did a network install after booting from a fdd. Its been years! |
| 22:50.47 | terr_ | un214: I can't do that at this point. I don't have a working vm. Besides the machine in question is not yet on the net. Its in my garage |
| 22:50.49 | Iridos | terr_, tossing everything but /home in / isn't a bad idea for desktops. Surely ubuntu offers you to do whatever partitioning you think is best, too (but discussing that is offtopic here, really) and so does debians installer. (so it doesn't matter really what a "default" is?) |
| 22:51.23 | terr_ | Iridos: actually they didn't allow me to set up the partition table but I can retest this. |
| 22:51.45 | terr_ | Iridos: they put home in the "/" partition too. |
| 22:52.02 | terr_ | Iridos: I run a combintion server and desktop. |
| 22:52.13 | Iridos | well, I don't like that much. If ever one needs to reinstall, it's better to have /home separate |
| 22:52.52 | terr_ | Iridos: never thought of that! GOod point I can just blow away what is in /bin and /sbin and reinstall them. |
| 22:53.13 | terr_ | Iridos: /home will of course live through it. |
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| 22:54.05 | Iridos | I don't even think you need to select "expert install" to have the option to partition as you like... as that would be silly |
| 22:54.43 | Iridos | dpkg, tell terr_ about standard task |
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| 22:55.28 | Iridos | you can also "/msg dpkg server tasks" and also on "desktop tasks" |
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| 22:55.46 | Iridos | you get a minimal install if you don't select any tasks |
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| 22:58.14 | terr_ | Iridos: are we using aptitude now instead of apt? |
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| 22:59.24 | Iridos | it's all "apt"... you mean instead of apt-get ... but yes... you can /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 23:00.25 | Iridos | and I don't totally agree with that... apt-get does just the same on simple dependency problems (and even sometimes just plods along through dependency problems that aptitude borks on, as it was the case with going lenny->squeeze) |
| 23:00.32 | Iridos | but yes... generally it's recommended |
| 23:01.04 | terr_ | Iridos: q) are aptitude and apt-get compatiable. I was told they were not in wooody and sarge (that is how old this puppy is) |
| 23:02.20 | terr_ | Iridos: how about synaptic? is it recomended and is it compatible with aptitude and apt-get? |
| 23:02.41 | un214 | what's the command in nano to embed file |
| 23:03.04 | un214 | reportbug fired nano for some reason |
| 23:03.46 | Iridos | terr_, they are... (mostly, packages set on hold are still the exception) |
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| 23:04.04 | Iridos | dunno, never used synaptic |
| 23:04.35 | terr_ | Iridos: I've just looked through the packages list for the default install including the KDE desktop and it appears to have everything I need. |
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| 23:05.48 | Iridos | terr_, KDE surely is not in the standard task |
| 23:06.11 | terr_ | Iridos: no its not but I'm goign to add that desktop to standard |
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| 23:06.49 | terr_ | Iridos: I see postgreSQL does not seem to be in the default packages but details like this are not an issue |
| 23:07.40 | architek | Isn't there somewhere a settings that tells my clock is in UTC or localtime? |
| 23:07.52 | architek | Can't find it. and my system didn't change time with DST |
| 23:08.27 | Iridos | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 23:08.29 | architek | ah default/rcS |
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| 23:08.42 | Iridos | hm, I thought |
| 23:08.51 | terr_ | aravind: not sure iif this helps: set TZ=blah date and if you want it to be perminent you might use source set TZ=blah |
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| 23:10.44 | architek | Iridos: thanks. this was also not configured strangely. Now I'm off by 1 hour more, and I'm going to set the hwclock to UTC for the next DST :) |
| 23:10.49 | terr_ | Q) on my netbook I set the cpu for the slowest speed. Can this be done on desktops? |
| 23:10.59 | Iridos | dpkg, why is uswsusp not in testing |
| 23:11.00 | dpkg | uswsusp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=uswsusp |
| 23:11.18 | Dulak | terr_: if the cpu supports frequency scaling yes |
| 23:11.45 | Dulak | terr_: as an example my old P4 2.6g cpu won't but my new core 2 duo will |
| 23:12.04 | terr_ | Dulak: do you know what vintage this became available? I'm on a dual Tualatin PIII system. Tyan TIger MB 230T |
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| 23:12.15 | Dis0 | Hello, can someone help me with the Debain install? I get a "no installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" error, i don't have access to a wired connection right now and I'm using the squeeze CD-1 iso on a usb drive |
| 23:12.20 | Dulak | terr_: after P4 |
| 23:12.22 | terr_ | Dulak: I'm older than you then. |
| 23:12.53 | erawfish_ | terr_: no speedstep |
| 23:13.07 | terr_ | Dulak: these put out about 23 watts per CPU TDP |
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| 23:13.38 | Dulak | terr_: yeah, the old stuff was crazy power hungry compared to new stuff |
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| 23:13.41 | terr_ | Dulak: what TDP does your CPU have? |
| 23:13.46 | ^Mike\b | What's the default email client in debian? |
| 23:13.58 | Dulak | terr_: not sure how to calculate it |
| 23:14.02 | streuner_ | ^Mike\b: none? |
| 23:14.04 | jelly-home | terr_: those, if they have speedstep, have the first version, and I'm not sure current kernels support that at all (or if they support it, is it usable) |
| 23:14.05 | terr_ | Dulak: it'll just heat my house. I live in Canada |
| 23:14.13 | mbdfahrer | Dulak, what kind of CPU is it? |
| 23:14.24 | streuner_ | ^Mike\b: most people use mutt, and many sylpheed |
| 23:14.29 | Dulak | mbdfahrer: p4 2.6g celeron |
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| 23:14.34 | ^Mike\b | okay, thanks |
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| 23:14.40 | terr_ | jelly-home: well the netbook is an ATOM processor running OpenBSD and it works just fine |
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| 23:15.02 | jelly-home | yeah, Atom is a bit newer than a P3 |
| 23:15.13 | Dulak | terr_: the atom cpu can scale on linux, I run mine at 800mhz when I'm on battery all the time |
| 23:15.24 | mbdfahrer | Hmm |
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| 23:15.26 | terr_ | jelly-home: and the PIII is a bit faster than the atom and will run duals as well |
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| 23:16.05 | mbdfahrer | 62.6 watts |
| 23:16.10 | mbdfahrer | According to this: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron/Intel-Celeron%202600%20-%20RK80532RC064128%20%28BX80532RC2600B%29.html |
| 23:16.26 | erawfish_ | Dis0: when exactly do you get that? |
| 23:16.47 | Dis0 | erawfish_, after the base system install |
| 23:17.13 | Dulak | wow that's high |
| 23:17.55 | mbdfahrer | So quick question, what works better for a Asus eeePC 701 - the FIRST mainstream netbook? It has a celeron M 630 mhz with a 800x480 screen. I'm thinking about Debian or a flavor of Ubuntu |
| 23:18.21 | mbdfahrer | Dulak: high is a Pentium 4 EE, those are 130 watts TDP |
| 23:18.43 | Iridos | this is #debian, what answer do you expect? |
| 23:18.47 | Iridos | gentoo, of course! |
| 23:18.50 | mbdfahrer | lol |
| 23:18.57 | mbdfahrer | I'm leaning on a debian based distro :) |
| 23:19.01 | mbdfahrer | Otherwise, Archlinux for me ;) |
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| 23:19.11 | Dulak | mbdfahrer: I'd steer clear of ubuntu > 10.04 for that slow of a cpu. Debian will run on it, but you'll probably want to stick to squeeze |
| 23:19.11 | jelly-home | mbdfahrer: none of those -- the screen is too small to hoist it on any person you care about |
| 23:19.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | would be good for making a carputer :) |
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| 23:23.04 | dvs | Kamping_Kaiser: Nah, it would crash too much |
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| 23:26.43 | mbdfahrer | Friend wants to use it as a experimenting system |
| 23:27.06 | mbdfahrer | Right now it runs ubuntu 11.04 |
| 23:28.44 | josh99 | mbdfahrer: debian+awesomeWM would be nice |
| 23:29.40 | babilen | Or any other light WM (not that awesome is a bad choice) |
| 23:30.10 | mbdfahrer | I think my friend's choices for DE is LXDE or xfce |
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| 23:40.50 | Dis0 | Hello, can someone help me with the Debain install? I get a "no installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources" error, i don't have access to a wired connection right now and I'm using the squeeze CD-1 iso on a usb drive |
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| 23:41.50 | streuner_ | Dis0: what kind of CPU and what kind of iso do you use? |
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| 23:42.32 | Dis0 | streuner_, it s a eeePC, so intel Atom and i used the i386 CD1 iso |
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| 23:44.05 | streuner_ | Dis0: hm, there are usually some people here who have an clue about, but... |
| 23:44.08 | streuner_ | dpkg, eeepc |
| 23:44.09 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:45.49 | streuner_ | Dis0: #debian-eeepc 36 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC || network/hotkeys broken with 2.6.32 kernel? add boot option: acpi_osi="Linux" as workaround until eeepc-wmi support is done |
| 23:46.04 | streuner_ | Dis0: keep in mind, its on OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
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| 23:46.18 | Dis0 | streuner_, thx i ll go ask them |
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| 23:52.32 | Dis0 | ah, my /target/.../sources.list is empty :/ |
| 23:52.56 | streuner_ | hm, wired |
| 23:53.03 | streuner_ | more strange |
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| 23:53.39 | streuner_ | any debian-installer should generate a working sources.list |
| 23:54.05 | Dis0 | yeah |
| 23:54.54 | streuner_ | shouldnt be hard then |
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| 23:55.02 | streuner_ | !sources.list |
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| 23:55.13 | streuner_ | dpkg, sources.list |
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| 23:55.20 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 23:55.37 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 23:55.57 | streuner_ | as Iridos already told us, dpkg is lame today |
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| 23:56.15 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 23:56.25 | raven | how to setup an openvpn-server that provides the clients to keep their lan ips also in vpn-network? |
| 23:57.35 | Dulak | raven: you setup openvpn using the tap device on the server and client, but that is very bad since it puts all your lan broadcast traffic on the vpn, it does not scale well at all |
| 23:58.08 | Dulak | raven: it's better to use a routed setup, and gateway(s) to do it than to bridge the way you want |
| 23:59.10 | raven | Dulak, first thing would not be a problem |
| 23:59.11 | streuner_ | Dis0: /msg dpkg sources.list and just use an editor ... |
| 23:59.18 | raven | but how to setup the server.conf? |
| 23:59.23 | Dulak | raven: just as an example having 5 machines bridged the way you want caused my vpn to slow to a crawl from the lan broadcast traffic, even 1 more machine would have saturated it. |
