| 00:00.32 | Dulak | it made my internet on all 5 machines almost unusable |
| 00:01.08 | silvertip257 | OpenVPN has good docs and others can be easily found via a search engine. |
| 00:01.21 | raven | silvertip257, i thought.... |
| 00:01.50 | Dulak | raven: just use device tap on the server, and you want the bridge setup on the clients |
| 00:01.59 | Dulak | raven: but you will regret it, I promise. |
| 00:02.28 | Dis0 | dpkg just repeat what it said on here |
| 00:02.28 | dpkg | Dis0: no idea |
| 00:02.47 | Dulak | raven: especially if you are paying for the bandwidth on the server side |
| 00:02.53 | Dis0 | and it looks like the other packages are installing just fine |
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| 00:04.45 | silvertip257 | grub2 isn't available on Lenny, is it? (From what I found, the grub2 pkg in lenny is a dummy pkg...though the wiki says it was available in lenny). |
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| 00:05.57 | lapsusbrutus | my aplay cant play ogg.. got ogg decoder I believe.. what should I check first? |
| 00:06.06 | Dulak | raven: say you connect 3 machines using the bridge, you get broadcast traffic from 3 different lans on the vpn, which is 3x what you get with a routed solution. Every machine adds an order of magnitude to the broadcast traffic, and that's just if there are 2 devices per lan (pc and router) |
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| 00:07.10 | oldtopman | Can you install Debian to a fat32 formatted partition? |
| 00:07.14 | raven | Dulak, should i use tap or tun |
| 00:07.14 | lapsusbrutus | aplay plays wav nicely though |
| 00:07.47 | Dulak | raven: if you have windows clients you have to use tap, if it's all linux you want to use tun and a routed solution |
| 00:07.52 | silvertip257 | my answer about grub2 in lenny >> http://linuxmintdebian.blogspot.com/2009/08/grub2-debian-how-to.html |
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| 00:08.13 | raven | how to setup a routed solution |
| 00:08.15 | Dulak | raven: you can configure tap for routed too, but you only need tap if you have windows clients or you have to bridge |
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| 00:09.54 | Dulak | Try to give them the benefit of your mistakes... |
| 00:09.56 | Dulak | bah |
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| 00:21.24 | mzhou | i get over a gigabyte of kernel modules when i compile the kernel using make deb-pkg. is there some trick that i'm missing? |
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| 00:22.32 | dvs | What's that option? localmodyes? |
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| 00:24.27 | mzhou | oh. found something with google. apparently it was CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL being enabled |
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| 00:27.25 | Dis0 | ok i installed the kernel manually but i can't continue the installation since one step failed |
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| 00:30.40 | streuner_ | Dis0: which? why not just continue without that? |
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| 00:31.21 | dvs | Dis0: What step failed? |
| 00:31.42 | Dis0 | well the base install failed since it didn't install the kernel |
| 00:32.21 | Dis0 | wait never mind it worked |
| 00:32.30 | Dis0 | got a few error but it worked |
| 00:32.41 | dvs | Dis0: Yeah, because it has a kernel now. |
| 00:32.56 | Dis0 | yeah |
| 00:33.01 | Dis0 | finally! |
| 00:33.10 | Dis0 | i got debian to boot :) |
| 00:33.33 | Dis0 | i hope no important package was left out |
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| 00:34.22 | Dis0 | weird, it didn't remember my keyboard layout |
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| 00:37.37 | Dis0 | dpkg-reconfigure is not installed |
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| 00:41.25 | raven | openvpn still routing problems - ping google gives me an ip result but no traffic to wan |
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| 00:42.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dis0: has to be, might not be in your path though |
| 00:42.55 | Dis0 | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah i was not in root, stupid ;) |
| 00:43.14 | Dis0 | but i have locale issues now |
| 00:43.30 | Dulak | raven: what do you mean? can you ping end-to-end on the vpn? |
| 00:43.50 | raven | Dulak, in my lan yes but not to internet |
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| 00:44.49 | Dulak | raven: you want all traffic to go across the vpn? |
| 00:45.23 | raven | i want my clients to be part of the lan and able to access the internet! |
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| 00:45.57 | Dulak | raven: do you mean internet through the vpn or thier normal internet? |
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| 00:46.05 | raven | through |
| 00:46.32 | Dulak | raven: you need 'push "redirect-gateway"' in the server config to force all traffic to route through the vpn |
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| 00:46.47 | raven | Dulak, i have but that does not work |
| 00:47.12 | Dulak | raven: check the default gateway on the client before and after the vpn is up |
| 00:47.33 | Dulak | raven: before it should be the normal gateway, after it should be the vpn server ip |
| 00:47.52 | raven | how? with route? |
| 00:48.00 | Dulak | yeah route or netstat -rn |
| 00:48.44 | raven | ill try..... |
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| 00:53.24 | speedy | msg dpkg 5.0.9 |
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| 00:56.50 | helo | has anyone successfully used the netflix app for chrome 15 to watch movies in debian? |
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| 00:57.49 | Dulak | no but I'm gonna go try in a few minutes since you just told me about it. Probably still needs sliverlight though, damn microsoft. |
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| 01:00.54 | raven | Dulak, server 192.168.1.33 255.255.255.248 is a invalid combination? |
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| 01:01.24 | Dulak | raven: you went routed? |
| 01:01.45 | raven | no i do not understand whats going on here |
| 01:02.32 | Dulak | raven: if you are bridged you probably want 255.255.255.0 as the netmask |
| 01:03.17 | raven | in server.conf i want to enter the ip the server HAS but that ALWAYS is an "invalid combination" |
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| 01:03.59 | Dulak | that's because the vpn and the lan on the server cannot match unless you also bridge on the server |
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| 01:04.17 | Dulak | which makes the broadcast issue even worse than what I stated already |
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| 01:04.42 | Dulak | it means every broadcast will go to every client as well as the server |
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| 01:05.25 | raven | Dulak, ok i leave server 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 but what to do next |
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| 01:09.28 | Achylles_ | can I do rm -fr * inside /var/log ? It is eating up nearly 1gb of space in my HD |
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| 01:10.33 | Dulak | raven: sec I am pasting my configs that were close to how you wanted things |
| 01:10.49 | raven | ok |
| 01:12.27 | Dulak | raven: http://dpaste.com/644452/ |
| 01:12.56 | Dulak | raven: that's close to what you want, but not exactly, that's the config that saturated my link with only 5 clients |
| 01:13.15 | Dulak | raven: I put server.conf and client.conf in that paste |
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| 01:14.17 | raven | i get headache on that.... ;) |
| 01:15.56 | josh99 | any ideas about setting up webgl to work with firefox? |
| 01:17.32 | Dulak | raven: I normally charge $125/hour for that much info, be lucky. |
| 01:17.41 | raven | ;) |
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| 01:19.59 | Dulak | helo: I can't even get the netflix app to install on my chrome, much less try to make it work |
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| 01:26.28 | C-boys | how can i make that ~/local/bin/all_scripts_here are used by my user globally? |
| 01:26.42 | C-boys | so i can just enter scriptname and it will use that dir |
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| 01:29.26 | wwewe | How do I install nvidia 96xx drivers (I mean everything the card needs) in wheezy? |
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| 01:30.20 | allorder | wwewe: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:30.34 | dvs | C-boys: Why are you putting public script files in your home directory? |
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| 01:38.20 | Dulak | C-boys: the easiest way is to put global scripts into /usr/local/bin and make sure they are 755, then add /usr/local/bin to the path in /etc/bash.bashrc or alternately in each user's ~/.bashrc |
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| 01:50.21 | Dulak | damn, windows, mac, or chromeOS only for the chrome netflix app |
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| 01:54.39 | TechDesk | Ꙫ |
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| 01:56.27 | wwewe | How do I install nvidia 96xx |
| 01:56.29 | wwewe | How do I install nvidia 96xx in wheezy |
| 01:56.41 | wwewe | do I install the version 27x.xx.xxx packages |
| 01:57.06 | wwewe | and if it's not possible, should I upgrade from wheezy to sid |
| 01:57.37 | babilen | ,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms |
| 01:57.37 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 96.43.18-2; sid/non-free: 96.43.20-2 |
| 01:57.49 | babilen | wwewe: Just "/msg dpkg tum" and pull them from sid |
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| 01:58.24 | babilen | wwewe: That being said: nvidia had a bit of a tumble in wheezy/sid and you might not have a smooth experience with it. |
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| 01:59.27 | babilen | wwewe: Not entirely sure if this holds true for the -legacy cards as well. Check the BTS and nvnews for details. |
| 02:02.00 | TechDesk | pouet ᷄ ᷆ ᷉ ᷆᷉ ᷅᷇ |
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| 02:09.10 | CaptWho | i just installed gnome yesterday and i'm not seeing a way to configure printers. what's a printer package that i can install? |
| 02:09.42 | pipeline | CaptWho: you want to install the 'cupsys' package |
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| 02:10.02 | pipeline | CaptWho: gnome may have a way to configure CUPS through the GUI, but whether it does or doesn't, CUPS is easy to configure via http://localhost:631 |
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| 02:13.05 | CaptWho | in synaptic, it was just called cups |
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| 02:15.14 | yagoo | CaptWho, well i believe it's swat-- then u can configure cups via webbrowser--http://127.0.0.1:601 (it may not be 601.. hopefully i'm right!:) |
| 02:15.59 | gnarface | 631 |
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| 02:17.10 | joeoshawa | hello, i had a few problems upgrading to wheezy (had to long story) and now i have a few issues. 1) gedit is not working from command line here is the error http://pastebin.com/y7XBNtmy |
| 02:18.26 | yagoo | joeoshawa, what's eggsmclient? |
| 02:18.37 | joeoshawa | dunno |
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| 02:19.17 | yagoo | humptydumpty? |
| 02:19.29 | joeoshawa | part of gedit? warning reporting tool for gnome? |
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| 02:19.44 | joeoshawa | breakfast? |
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| 02:20.55 | joeoshawa | the none of the authentication protocols line seems not good |
| 02:21.23 | joeoshawa | i was going to try to remove and reinstall gedit but it seems that requires removal of gnome |
| 02:22.11 | yagoo | joeoshawa, can you start gedit as normal user? |
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| 02:22.31 | joeoshawa | yeah from the desktop |
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| 02:22.56 | yagoo | joeoshawa, when you log into root.. is it from a user's desktop? |
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| 02:23.06 | joeoshawa | yeah through su |
| 02:23.16 | yagoo | joeoshawa, try gksudo |
| 02:23.22 | joeoshawa | ok |
| 02:23.32 | yagoo | you may hace to edit sudoers rule file |
| 02:23.37 | yagoo | ,/have |
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| 02:24.22 | yagoo | if you cant do that-- then you can temporarily try ->xhost + (normal user), then try runnign gedit from root account |
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| 02:25.03 | joeoshawa | where is the sudoers file again |
| 02:25.03 | jordanm | gksu would not require sudo configuration |
| 02:25.13 | joeoshawa | same error |
| 02:25.21 | joeoshawa | so i guess it does |
| 02:25.47 | joeoshawa | gonna try a root terminal |
| 02:26.12 | joeoshawa | works |
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| 02:26.47 | joeoshawa | still got the EggSMClient warning tho |
| 02:27.05 | joeoshawa | gonna look that up in synaptic |
| 02:27.17 | yagoo | that wasnt the issue |
| 02:27.39 | CaptWho | any ideas on how to get a printer icon in my menus? |
| 02:28.05 | yagoo | CaptWho, menus? u mean in the print dialog box? |
| 02:28.08 | joeoshawa | nothing in synaptic anyway |
| 02:28.18 | joeoshawa | well that takes care of one problem |
| 02:28.50 | CaptWho | system -> preferences -> printing |
| 02:29.32 | CaptWho | or is it system -> administration -> printing? |
| 02:31.25 | joeoshawa | http://pastebin.com/TBW1QhJc before i reboot and end up with a command prompt does this look like an ok xorg.conf |
| 02:31.52 | joeoshawa | CaptWho, you mean for the print manager or whatever? |
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| 02:32.55 | CaptWho | joeoshawa, i had gnome2 on another machine and all that was installed in the build. is that where the print manager would go? |
| 02:32.58 | yagoo | joeoshawa, why you rebooting? |
| 02:33.37 | joeoshawa | well i guess i could just restart x i need to get nvidia working to set up my dual display |
| 02:33.48 | tuv | what's it mean when i have 'nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet.' messages in dmesg when net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_count is half net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max? |
| 02:34.01 | yagoo | try going to tty1 to restart x(maybe /etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 02:34.02 | joeoshawa | but haven't had much luck on restarting x |
| 02:34.43 | yagoo | joeoshawa, maybe you should look into xrandr |
| 02:34.58 | joeoshawa | yagoo, tried that and its /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart and it didn't do anything last time |
| 02:35.02 | yagoo | joeoshawa, if you can't with xrandr, then um.. you'd need to screen entries in xorg.conf |
| 02:35.25 | joeoshawa | well i need the Nvidia driver anyway |
| 02:35.32 | yagoo | pff |
| 02:35.37 | joeoshawa | no 3d |
| 02:35.49 | yagoo | dual display? that's at least 2 screens to be defined in your posted xorg.conf |
| 02:35.53 | yagoo | i only see 1 defined |
| 02:36.04 | yagoo | ok genious |
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| 02:37.12 | CaptWho | anyone running gnome want to take a look at your system -> preferences -> printer(s) and tell me what package you see? what is it called? |
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| 02:37.37 | yagoo | CaptWho, i believe if you can use gnome to setup your printer.. it would be thanks to dbus |
| 02:37.53 | jordanm | CaptWho: its system-config-printer, or something like that |
| 02:38.38 | joeoshawa | http://pastebin.com/1AJ4p8mx this is my old xorg.conf that was working with squeeze i could give it another try but last attempt got me a command prompt |
| 02:39.26 | CaptWho | thanks jordanm |
| 02:39.29 | deskrat | hi |
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| 02:39.40 | joeoshawa | and sorry yagoo didn't mean to offend just pointing out its changed in case someone else tries it |
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| 02:40.27 | jordanm | joeoshawa: check your xorg log. likely you need to reinstall or build the kernel driver again |
| 02:41.02 | joeoshawa | CaptWho, i got system administration printing |
| 02:41.17 | babilen | yagoo: thanks |
| 02:41.19 | joeoshawa | tho i don't know how to check what command its using |
| 02:41.57 | jordanm | most of the gnome "administration" menu stuff is system-config-foo |
| 02:42.39 | joeoshawa | jordanm, i just did i will try restarting x again and see what happens, btw when i type /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart the screen should go black for a second and come back correct |
| 02:43.02 | deskrat | lvs/ldirectord monitored by nagois. not using the sukria script |
| 02:43.13 | deskrat | anyone got a better script? |
| 02:43.29 | CaptWho | that's it, joeoshawa |
| 02:44.31 | joeoshawa | CaptWho, that's what you were looking for? |
| 02:44.34 | yagoo | jordanm joeoshawa --- if the x log shows it can detect edid on two video ports then that's good news. |
| 02:45.05 | yagoo | it's either tinkering with xrandr alone.. if that doesnt do it-- then you can look into xorg.conf |
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| 02:49.11 | dwfreed | [A |
| 02:49.26 | dwfreed | sorry, stupid keyboard |
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| 02:55.12 | joeoshawa | well i tried my old xorg and got a blank screen with a flashing cursor however since i was forced to reboot i used the nvidia-xconfig command and it fixed the file and now everything works |
| 02:55.18 | joeoshawa | thank you |
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| 02:56.56 | joeoshawa | i did however forget that i was logged in the command prompt as root when i did startx so i went to come in and thank you guys and it mentioned running irc as root being stupid lol oops |
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| 02:58.06 | spiky25 | who know about ad-hoc connections here, I was using one but it seem broken now ... |
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| 03:01.34 | joeoshawa | after all that the radiant .deb is a 32 bit build damn it to hell |
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| 03:45.50 | joeoshawa | maybe you guys can help me i am trying to compile darkradiant from source and it needs gtksourceviewmm libraries which i have installed but its not seeing them |
| 03:46.47 | joeoshawa | it configures without them but the make command ends in a file not found error involving the package |
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| 03:47.15 | jordanm | joeoshawa: which file? |
| 03:47.27 | Jaghnat | Can someone help me with a display driver problem? (nvidia) |
| 03:47.35 | jordanm | !someone |
| 03:47.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:47.57 | joeoshawa | SourceView.h:9:40: fatal error: gtksourceviewmm/sourceview.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:48.17 | jordanm | ,file sourceview.h |
| 03:48.20 | judd | Search for sourceview.h in squeeze/i386: liblua5.1-gnome-dev: usr/include/lua5.1/lua-gtksourceview.h; libgtksourceviewmm-2.0-dev: usr/include/gtksourceviewmm-2.0/gtksourceviewmm/sourceview.h; libvdk2-dev: usr/include/vdk2/vdk/gtksourceview.h; libgtksourceview2.0-dev: usr/include/gtksourceview-2.0/gtksourceview/gtksourceview.h; libwt-doc: usr/share/doc/libwt-doc/examples/wt- |
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| 03:48.21 | judd | homepage/SourceView.h |
| 03:48.35 | jordanm | joeoshawa: do you have the -dev package installed? |
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| 03:48.50 | joeoshawa | yep |
| 03:48.51 | Jaghnat | I need help with nvidia drivers. Squeeze64 |
| 03:48.53 | joeoshawa | wheezy |
| 03:49.06 | Rusty1 | !nvidia |
| 03:49.06 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:49.11 | joeoshawa | jaghnat what specifically is the problem |
| 03:49.57 | Jaghnat | joeoshawa: I ran the command "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and my displays still say "Unknown" |
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| 03:50.15 | Jaghnat | I did add all of the appropiate repositories. |
| 03:50.51 | pbase | is the debian repository compromised? I am getting a lot of errors on update |
| 03:51.00 | Jaghnat | pbase: Works for me. |
| 03:51.13 | pbase | runnning wheezy |
| 03:51.20 | Jaghnat | derp |
| 03:53.17 | pbase | http://pastie.org/2786017 |
| 03:53.49 | joeoshawa | Jaghnat, did you install module assistant and nvidia kernel-common |
| 03:54.05 | Jaghnat | joeoshawa: module assistant? |
| 03:54.11 | joeoshawa | yes |
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| 03:54.30 | Jaghnat | All I did was run the command, which worked on the same system not 5 min ago (that system was 32 bit though) |
| 03:54.40 | Jaghnat | How do I install the module assistant anyway? |
| 03:55.00 | joeoshawa | what card do you have |
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| 03:55.16 | Jaghnat | 8400GS |
| 03:55.23 | joeoshawa | thats easy |
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| 03:55.53 | Jaghnat | What should I do then? |
| 03:55.55 | pbase | this time getting this error on ap-get update - http://pastie.org/2786017 |
| 03:56.05 | joeoshawa | apt-get install nvidia-common |
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| 03:56.47 | joeoshawa | then apt-get install nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings |
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| 03:57.22 | Jaghnat | hrm |
| 03:57.30 | joeoshawa | done? |
| 03:57.33 | Jaghnat | It says that it can't find nvidia-common. |
| 03:58.10 | joeoshawa | what version of debian? |
| 03:58.22 | Jaghnat | 6.0.3, then updated/upgraded |
| 03:58.35 | joeoshawa | so wheezy? |
| 03:59.29 | Jaghnat | squeeze |
| 03:59.42 | Jaghnat | Also, uname -r says I'm running stock. |
| 04:01.11 | Jaghnat | joeoshawa: Dear heavens. |
| 04:01.32 | Jaghnat | Just installing the configurator let me change the resolution properly. |
| 04:01.41 | Jaghnat | Thanks for your help! |
| 04:01.53 | joeoshawa | np |
| 04:02.04 | joeoshawa | and it was glx i was thinking |
| 04:02.10 | Jaghnat | ah |
| 04:02.11 | joeoshawa | so nvidia-glx |
| 04:02.18 | Jaghnat | Still makes no sense, but :P |
| 04:02.20 | joeoshawa | then the second one |
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| 04:02.54 | joeoshawa | i just configured my 8400gs in wheezy |
| 04:03.06 | Jaghnat | Where is the xconfig file stored? |
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| 04:03.30 | joeoshawa | it will make one for you that's what i was going to tell you next |
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| 04:04.16 | joeoshawa | nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:04.25 | Jaghnat | I need to save the settings that the nvidia configurator(?) made. |
| 04:04.28 | joeoshawa | type that in terminal as root |
| 04:04.51 | joeoshawa | it does it for you |
| 04:04.57 | joeoshawa | the whole shebang |
| 04:05.13 | joeoshawa | type that and you get a basic xconfig file |
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| 04:05.43 | Jaghnat | What's the command to run the nvidia settings tool? |
| 04:05.47 | joeoshawa | then you can start the settings manager and change the settings the way you want and save a new one |
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| 04:06.50 | joeoshawa | nvidia-settings once you have run the nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:07.02 | _jesse_ | my touchpad no longer appears to be recognized, where could I start to investigate that? |
| 04:07.15 | joeoshawa | and /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 04:07.27 | joeoshawa | after the xconfig |
| 04:08.25 | Jaghnat | You are a LIFESAVER |
| 04:08.34 | Jaghnat | Thanks for everything! |
| 04:08.40 | joeoshawa | glad to help no biggie |
| 04:09.12 | joeoshawa | i am running my tv off that |
| 04:09.31 | joeoshawa | so i can watch movies and youtube and stuff right off the hdd |
| 04:09.34 | joeoshawa | no cable |
| 04:09.57 | pbase | they should have a link option against poss here :D |
| 04:10.00 | pbase | posts |
| 04:10.19 | pbase | damn.. like option |
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| 04:11.04 | joeoshawa | ok i have had enough with radiant for now this is a pain in the rear |
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| 04:37.24 | josh99 | how to enable webgl on firefox? |
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| 04:38.09 | erawfish_ | josh99: which version of icewasel? |
| 04:38.14 | erawfish_ | +e |
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| 04:38.38 | zykotick9 | edog, nope |
| 04:38.46 | edogaa | K, just wondering. |
| 04:38.54 | erawfish_ | edogaa: depends. on install you can make it use sudo only or you can set a root password and enable it |
| 04:39.04 | edogaa | ah |
| 04:39.49 | zykotick9 | erawfish_, really? is that in the netinstall? i've never noticed it. Good to know. sorry edogaa |
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| 05:12.55 | skilz | hey guys I shut down my laptop lastnight and when I powered it up today and startx I have no mouse curser but my mouse still works wtf? I just cant see the pointer arrow??? |
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| 05:16.02 | josh99 | edogaa: firefox 7 |
| 05:16.10 | josh99 | erawfish_: ^^ |
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| 05:16.39 | edogaa | why yes, firefox 7 is pretty sweet |
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| 05:20.40 | josh99 | edogaa: sorry. it was for erawfish_ |
| 05:21.00 | edogaa | lol |
| 05:21.47 | zykotick9 | skilz, you might want to have a glance through this post http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61447 good luck. |
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| 05:33.00 | flamingspinach | lol, why is the version of jqueryui in testing "1.8.ooops.16+dfsg-1"? |
| 05:33.13 | flamingspinach | there doesn't seem to be any upstream version called "1.8.ooops.16" |
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| 05:34.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: my money is on there being a packaging oops |
| 05:35.47 | flamingspinach | Kamping_Kaiser: the previous two versions in the changelog are "1.8.ooops.14+dfsg-1" and "1.8.ooops.12+dfsg-1" |
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| 05:36.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | so i see. |
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| 05:37.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: can't see anything obvious to cause it |
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| 05:39.40 | dname | how to downgrade to php5.3 php5.2 6 in debian squeeze? |
| 05:40.01 | dname | php5.2 in debian 6 squeeze* |
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| 05:41.53 | flamingspinach | Kamping_Kaiser: oh well. not super important, just thought it was a bit odd |
| 05:42.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | dname: you don't |
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| 05:47.27 | dname | Kamping_Kaiser: I do not understand |
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| 05:48.35 | endra | Hey |
| 05:49.22 | endra | What would cause the $PATH to be different from ssh (root) and from the root user executing a script (.sh)? |
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| 05:54.46 | aussa | hi, say I had squeeze installed in my laptop and the cd drive was working, then I installed wheeze and did not test the cd drive, say one day I dropped the laptop inside its sleeve, and then one day I needed to read a CD and it didn't worked, is there a way I could test the optical drive is still working? could it be because of wheezy? |
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| 05:55.48 | zykotick9 | aussa, you could try booting a live or install cd - to test if the drive is working... |
| 05:56.50 | aussa | zykotick9, great idea, ty |
| 05:56.57 | aussa | brb |
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| 06:00.59 | aussa | zykotick9, ok, it's broken :( |
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| 06:01.39 | zykotick9 | aussa, sorry to hear that. |
| 06:01.54 | aussa | zykotick9, ty anyway |
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| 06:38.37 | yagoo | hahah |
| 06:38.42 | yagoo | i found an interesting glitch |
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| 06:39.15 | yagoo | if one does cat <iso_of_debian> > /dev/<usb> ... then mount /dev/usb to say /mnt/sdb .. |
| 06:39.22 | yagoo | ls -la /mnt doesn't show sdb |
| 06:39.24 | yagoo | lol |
| 06:39.38 | yagoo | oops |
| 06:39.40 | yagoo | hahahah |
| 06:39.48 | yagoo | f alias |
| 06:39.55 | yagoo | slaps forehead |
| 06:39.56 | yagoo | hahahah |
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| 06:50.58 | burhan | is it normal for python packages in squeeze to install their own (downgraded) version of python? |
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| 06:52.05 | burhan | I thought that all packages would be upgraded to the default version :/ |
| 06:52.57 | erawfish_ | not normal. where did you get that package and what's its name? |
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| 06:53.16 | erawfish_ | default python version in squeeze is 2.6 btw |
| 06:53.31 | burhan | I have 2.7.2 for some reason? |
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| 06:55.58 | tjoy | How is wheezy for stability these days? |
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| 06:56.56 | erawfish_ | burhan: if you have python 2.7 then you either don't run debian stable or you are mixing stable with testing which is worse |
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| 06:57.00 | erawfish_ | ,versions python |
| 06:57.01 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-9; wheezy: 2.7.2-9 |
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| 06:57.14 | burhan | oh sorry I am on sid :( |
| 06:57.24 | tjoy | also isn't wheezy an ominous codename for an OS? |
| 06:57.45 | burhan | and I am doing apt-get install python-flask (to install packages) and this installs python2.6 |
| 06:57.59 | erawfish_ | burhan: you run sid, what do you expect? |
| 06:58.13 | burhan | I expect packages to be installed for the default version of python? |
| 06:58.32 | tjoy | then you shouldn't use the experimental branch |
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| 06:59.24 | burhan | hmm |
| 07:00.54 | somiaj | tjoy: testing has its ups and down. xorg abi upgrade messing with nonfree nvidia/ati drivers, gnome3 slowing making its way in only causing more issues. Also look up the naming pattern for debian, though wonder what happens when we run out of toystory names |
| 07:01.26 | tjoy | is THAT the convention?? |
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| 07:02.11 | somiaj | tjoy: sid is the child that breaks things, and will always be the name of unstable |
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| 07:04.30 | tjoy | somiaj: i had always wondered |
| 07:05.54 | erawfish_ | somiaj: there will be a toy story 4. and 5 etc. as long as disney is greedy there will be names for debian. one thing we can depend on is the greed of disney :) |
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| 07:10.55 | tjoy | haha |
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| 07:36.34 | SupaYoshi | is SNORT not to hard to configure, on debian? Or is it to hard? |
| 07:37.13 | SupaYoshi | lawl, omg what a question >< i mean, is it doable, without getting to much false positvies |
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| 07:54.18 | jefimenko | i am using multi-homed systems on multiple VLANs and found that i have to use linux advanced routing for everything to work properly (http://kindlund.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/configuring-multiple-default-routes-in-linux/) |
| 07:54.34 | jefimenko | i assume there is no way to use /etc/network/interfaces to configure the routes properly? |
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| 07:54.48 | jefimenko | i have to set up startup scripts to run the ip route commands? |
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| 07:55.56 | jefimenko | or maybe use the a if-up.d script? |
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| 08:13.01 | skilz | Hey why cant I see my mouse arrow pointer after I rebooted? |
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| 08:15.26 | yagoo | skilz, maybe the cat stole it |
| 08:18.30 | yagoo | skilz, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
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| 08:19.26 | Bushmills | maybe pointer didn't disappear because of your reboot, but because of the reason you had to reboot? |
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| 08:20.27 | Bushmills | in general, reboots are not detrimental to mouse pointers |
| 08:20.49 | yagoo | maybe he should do a coldboot.. that can have its advantages over a warmboot |
| 08:20.51 | skilz | Bushmills: Let me re-phrase that. After I shut down my laptop lastnight then booted it up today it occured |
| 08:21.35 | Bushmills | points at video driver |
| 08:21.37 | yagoo | skilz, bush may think you have a wmd baby |
| 08:21.40 | skilz | ive installed a different curser theme and all and updated alternatives |
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| 08:22.10 | yagoo | you mean cursor.. and not the one that swears |
| 08:22.23 | yagoo | curser << yikes don't get religious |
| 08:22.32 | skilz | The mouse works, I just cant the cursor but I can click stuff |
| 08:22.41 | Bushmills | skilz: but, you said "you reboot" ... now you tell us you fiddle with cursor themes |
| 08:23.01 | skilz | yeah after I had no cursor |
| 08:23.08 | Bushmills | so what makes you think the reboot is the cause, and not your pointer config changes? |
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| 08:23.10 | skilz | I tryed changing themes and still no good |
| 08:23.12 | PumpkinPie | What's going on |
| 08:23.13 | yagoo | skilz, you know what's so cool about computers? some people call that thing a POINTER! :) |
| 08:23.34 | Bushmills | oh, you had no pointer even *before* you rebooted? |
| 08:23.42 | PumpkinPie | why is ubuntu so much more popular then debian if ubuntu is based on debian ? |
| 08:23.46 | Bushmills | and then you rebooted, and found out that you had no pointer? |
| 08:24.08 | yagoo | PumpkinPie, because of Mandela. |
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| 08:24.13 | Bushmills | PumpkinPie: ask them |
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| 08:24.37 | yagoo | PumpkinPie, Mandela -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 |
| 08:24.39 | skilz | Bushmills: I had a pointer lastnight, shut down lastnight, boot up today and no pointer so I thought maybe if I change pointer theme so tryied that but it didnt get my beloved pointer back :( |
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| 08:25.15 | yagoo | PumpkinPie, rtfm on everything on Mandela. I recommend it. |
| 08:25.19 | Bushmills | skilz: first it was your video driver, then you broke it |
| 08:25.39 | skilz | Bushmills: why would it be my video driver? |
| 08:25.52 | skilz | Bushmills: My video driver was fine |
| 08:25.56 | Bushmills | because i assume it to be responsible for drawing the mouse pointer |
| 08:26.10 | skilz | Bushmills: Im running an old IBM Thinkpad |
| 08:26.14 | clad007 | Hello, why is there less package in the current testing (wheezy) than it used to be for instance in Lenny (when it was the testing distribution)? I can't find packages like mediatomb or eclipse, they are in stable and sid but not testing... |
| 08:26.23 | yagoo | skilz, why not create a new user? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM |
| 08:26.23 | Bushmills | ah. good, not that you know what wasn't the problem, you can surely tell us what *is* the problem |
| 08:26.28 | Bushmills | now that you know |
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| 08:26.35 | yagoo | skilz, and see if you do still get problems with whatever it is |
| 08:26.42 | digdilem_ | PumpkinPie, try asking that debian question in freenode's #debian :) |
| 08:27.00 | skilz | model 2388 |
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| 08:27.04 | digdilem_ | we get it several times a day, always fun |
| 08:27.58 | yagoo | clad007, oh wellllllll... apt-get install less for the less package!!!! LOL |
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| 08:28.43 | skilz | PumpkinPie: Because it's more advertised and easyer for windows users |
| 08:29.18 | clad007 | yagoo: any real answer? |
| 08:29.28 | yagoo | clad007, pita ? |
| 08:29.35 | clad007 | ? |
| 08:29.36 | yagoo | clad007, maybe your sources were using bpo |
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| 08:29.57 | yagoo | !backports |
| 08:29.58 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 08:29.59 | Bushmills | clad007: testing is in fluctuation. packages may appear, and be redrawn a few days later. and reappear again. |
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| 08:30.19 | skilz | Okay I started x with new user, still no pointer |
| 08:30.24 | Bushmills | although less isn't exactly a candidate for temporary redrawal |
| 08:30.26 | yagoo | skilz, lol |
| 08:30.36 | skilz | Bushmills: So how can I fix this? |
| 08:30.44 | yagoo | skilz, you borked something big time.. |
| 08:30.50 | Bushmills | skilz: you fix it by first determining the cause of the problem |
| 08:30.51 | clad007 | Let's take for instance the "mediatomb" package, the website says it's in the Debian packages system for years, but I can't find it in testing... How can I install it? |
| 08:31.14 | skilz | Bushmills: Let's say its the video card like you think, how do I fix that? |
| 08:31.33 | yagoo | clad007, are you on a potato? |
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| 08:31.38 | Bushmills | try a different x output driver |
| 08:31.49 | skilz | Bushmills: How do I chose one? |
| 08:31.56 | Bushmills | btw, i said "driver", not "video card" |
| 08:31.58 | skilz | Whats the xorg configure command? |
| 08:32.04 | clad007 | yagoo: cat /etc/debian_version ==> wheezy/sid |
| 08:32.07 | Bushmills | man xorg.conf |
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| 08:32.26 | Bushmills | man X |
| 08:32.27 | skilz | what happed to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?? |
| 08:33.12 | yagoo | X -configures << makes a sample.. you'll need to tinker and see what's in the Xlog too |
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| 08:33.40 | yagoo | ,/X -configure/ (and without gdm loaded) |
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| 08:34.25 | Bushmills | man xorg preferable over man X |
| 08:34.46 | clad007 | yagoo: are you trying to make fun of me or actually helping me? |
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| 08:35.36 | Bushmills | ,versions mediatomb |
| 08:35.37 | judd | Package: mediatomb on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.0-3; squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; sid: 0.12.1-2; sid-multimedia: 0.12.1-2.3; wheezy-multimedia: 0.12.1-2.3 |
| 08:35.52 | Bushmills | !dmm |
| 08:35.52 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 08:35.54 | yagoo | clad007, no you dick. X -configure << is a f command |
| 08:35.58 | yagoo | i'm helping you stupid. |
| 08:36.00 | yagoo | geez |
| 08:36.07 | Bushmills | yagoo: you may be mixing up people |
| 08:36.18 | yagoo | nmind.. |
| 08:36.21 | yagoo | he's too new for this |
| 08:36.32 | clad007 | yagoo: on top of that you are insulting people |
| 08:36.54 | yagoo | no you're annoying |
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| 08:41.44 | clad007 | ,versions eclipse |
| 08:41.45 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.5.2-11; sid: 3.7.0-1 |
| 08:41.54 | clad007 | ,versions vlc |
| 08:41.56 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 1.1.12-2+b1; wheezy: 1.1.12-2+b1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.12-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.12-0.1 |
| 08:42.43 | streuner_ | clad007: please use "/msg judd versions <package>" instead. |
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| 08:58.27 | premapix | HI! Does anyone know where to get 64 bit drivers for Brother HL-2130 |
| 08:58.36 | premapix | ..printer? |
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| 09:00.10 | ham5 | http://welcome.solutions.brother.com |
| 09:00.16 | wondal | what is the chat channel for adobe flash? |
| 09:00.51 | ham5 | /list adobe ? |
| 09:01.43 | premapix | Thanks wondal -- had a hunt around there but could only find the 32bit LP and Cups wrapper |
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| 09:02.49 | premapix | Sorry Ham5 |
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| 09:06.56 | wondal | surfing tells me its suppose to be #flash but not there. |
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| 09:07.37 | ham5 | well its not here thats for sure |
| 09:07.40 | Bushmills | wondal: /j it, then it will be there |
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| 09:08.13 | wondal | Bushmills: u mean /join #flash? i did that. |
| 09:08.34 | Bushmills | now just wait. in a month time there may be more people |
| 09:09.00 | wondal | Bushmills: have u tried it? |
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| 09:09.49 | Bushmills | no. you'd have seen me there had i tried |
| 09:10.24 | Bushmills | glad to help |
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| 09:11.41 | ham5 | ;) |
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| 09:16.14 | cardamon | Problem: I resized my root partition's filesystem (# resize2fs /dev/sda1 800G) then deleted the partitions and created a new partition from 1 to +800G, created another empty partition in the empty space, did not make a filesystem in the new partition, then rebooted. the MBR pulls up fine because Grub attempts to load, then says error: unknown filesystem \ Entering rescue mode... \ grub rescue> |
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| 09:19.22 | cardamon | I booted into the debian live rescue cd an tried to mount /dev/sda1 with mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt/foo and got told [ 410.849733] EXT4-fs (sda1): VFS Can''t find ext4 filesystem \ mount: wrong fs type, bad optiion, bad superblock on /dev/sda |
| 09:20.44 | cardamon | Help is appreciated. |
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| 09:23.51 | stockholm | cardamon: could it contains a lvm? |
| 09:23.58 | cardamon | lvm? |
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| 09:24.57 | sefaitchier | Hi, i'm comming from bsd, i've just installed a debian and each users have the right to execute the su command, how to block it please ? |
| 09:24.58 | cardamon | No. /dev/sda1 was orginally 930.58GB of ext4. Now it's supposed to be 800GB of ext4. |
| 09:25.38 | cardamon | I didn't do aanything with lvm |
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| 09:26.34 | cardamon | Any other ideas |
| 09:26.35 | Bushmills | sefaitchier: check out /etc/pam.d/su |
| 09:26.37 | cardamon | ? |
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| 09:36.39 | cardamon | Problem: I resized my root partition's filesystem (# resize2fs /dev/sda1 800G) then deleted the partitions and created a new partition from 1 to +800G, created another empty partition in the empty space, did not make a filesystem in the new partition, then rebooted. the MBR pulls up fine because Grub attempts to load, then says error: unknown filesystem \ Entering rescue mode... \ grub rescue> |
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| 09:36.48 | cardamon | I booted into the debian live rescue cd an tried to mount /dev/sda1 with mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt/foo and got told [ 410.849733] EXT4-fs (sda1): VFS Can''t find ext4 filesystem \ mount: wrong fs type, bad optiion, bad superblock on /dev/sda |
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| 10:11.03 | raven | possible to add new panels to gnome3? |
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| 10:20.01 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
| 10:20.32 | alexxio | hi, i'm about installing a faxserver but i don't know if my modem was recognized by the system, how can check it? |
| 10:20.41 | petemc | dmesg |
| 10:21.25 | petemc | i have a hylafax server with a few modems, i use dmesg | grep -i listen , to check they're working |
| 10:21.30 | alexxio | @petemc, how can i see if it works actually? dmesg says ok, the modem is there, but i don't know if the drivers and everything else is setup |
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| 10:21.36 | Retenodus_ | I want to make a debian repository for a platform without internet access. This repository will be supplied by DVD and there will be several parallel Lenny versions (5.0.4, 5.0.7, and so on...) |
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| 10:22.34 | Retenodus_ | I've seen several tuto about reprepro and apt-move, but none seems to be about local and partial repository from DVD |
| 10:22.45 | Retenodus_ | Can someone help me ? |
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| 10:24.17 | streuner_ | man add-cdom |
| 10:24.49 | streuner_ | ehm, man apt-cdrom :-) |
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| 10:26.09 | Retenodus_ | I don't understand : I've already used apt-cdrom to install my system. How could help me to make a repository from DVD ? |
| 10:26.45 | streuner_ | Retenodus_: try /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 10:28.21 | Retenodus_ | streuner_: I got nothing else than "dpkg : own repo" |
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| 10:29.33 | burhan | something is messed up with my system, because it thinks UTC is actually my local timezone. How do I set the UTC time? |
| 10:30.06 | streuner_ | dpkg own repo |
| 10:30.07 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
| 10:30.39 | streuner_ | !+tell Retenodus_ -about own repo |
| 10:30.39 | dpkg | told Retenodus_ about own repo. |
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| 10:32.45 | Retenodus_ | thanks |
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| 10:48.56 | Caelum | I got a wireless printer, I guess if I want to print to it from linux I should give it a static lease in my router? |
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| 10:50.14 | ompaul | Caelum: well how about giving it a static address in its own config thus meaning regardless of router arp will find it |
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| 10:54.47 | zekefast | Hi guys |
| 10:56.12 | zekefast | I found out that there is invalid rules in tzdata package version 2011k-0squeeze1 and how to transfer to winter time |
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| 10:57.13 | ompaul | has it been filed as a bug? |
| 10:57.18 | zekefast | My squeeze decided that time switching was disabled as in Russia, but that's wrong. Actually in Ukraine there was some political thoughts about that |
| 10:57.36 | ompaul | granular |
| 10:57.38 | zekefast | but at the end it was decided not to switch to it |
| 10:58.02 | ompaul | switching was disabled in russia afik on presidential order |
| 10:58.06 | zekefast | So I just applied old rules and get it work |
| 10:58.10 | zekefast | right |
| 10:58.39 | zekefast | ompaul, that's right in Russia |
| 10:58.44 | zekefast | but not in Ukraine |
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| 10:59.10 | zekefast | and my /etc/localtime shows the same as /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Kiev |
| 10:59.21 | zekefast | there isn't any switches |
| 10:59.34 | zekefast | on 29 - 30 of october |
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| 11:00.06 | zekefast | please, check yours with this zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Kiev | grep $(date '+%Y') |
| 11:00.43 | zekefast | ompaul, I haven't filled any bugs for this yet |
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| 11:01.12 | themill | zekefast: that's not the current version of the tzdata package |
| 11:02.05 | themill | ,versions tzdata --release squeeze |
| 11:02.05 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- squeeze: 2011k-0squeeze1 |
| 11:02.07 | ompaul | zekefast: mine shows a change for yesterday for Kiev and none for Moscow |
| 11:02.14 | themill | ,versions tzdata --release squeeze-updates |
| 11:02.16 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2011m-0squeeze1 |
| 11:03.12 | themill | dpkg: tell zekefast about squeeze-updates |
| 11:03.35 | zekefast | I checked at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tzdata&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 11:03.44 | zekefast | and for squeeze it is |
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| 11:04.21 | zekefast | m version for wheezy as far as I can see |
| 11:04.28 | zekefast | which is testing |
| 11:04.41 | themill | see what dpkg told oyu |
| 11:04.48 | zekefast | Have I understood it right? |
| 11:04.58 | zekefast | one minute, checking .. |
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| 11:07.37 | zekefast | root@zf-mws:/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe# aptitude show tzdata |
| 11:07.37 | zekefast | Ïàêåò: tzdata |
| 11:07.38 | zekefast | Ñîñòîÿíèå: óñòàíîâëåí |
| 11:07.38 | zekefast | Àâòîìàòè÷åñêè óñòàíîâëåí: íåò |
| 11:07.38 | zekefast | Âåðñèÿ: 2011k-0squeeze1 |
| 11:07.38 | zekefast | Ïðèîðèòåò: íåîáõîäèìûé |
| 11:07.38 | zekefast | Ðàçäåë: libs |
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| 11:08.48 | zekefast | this is in Russian, but state: installed (Ñîñòîÿíèå: óñòàíîâëåí) and version is Âåðñèÿ: 2011k-0squeeze1 |
| 11:08.49 | ompaul | zekefast so you need to get the updates installed |
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| 11:09.09 | zekefast | unfortunately I haven't see any updates |
| 11:09.11 | ompaul | zekefast: 2011k has been superseeded |
| 11:09.17 | themill | zekefast: you need to enable the squeeze-updates repository, just like dpkg said. |
| 11:09.32 | zekefast | aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade didn't show me any |
| 11:09.33 | themill | dpkg: tell zekefast about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 11:10.05 | wwewe | I'm having problems starting my X server in wheezy |
| 11:10.10 | wwewe | What packages do I download, and how? |
| 11:10.46 | zekefast | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:10.46 | zekefast | # Stable: Squeeze release |
| 11:10.46 | zekefast | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 11:10.46 | zekefast | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 11:11.03 | ompaul | zekefast: you mind using paste.debian.net please |
| 11:11.20 | ompaul | you need one that says squeeze-updates |
| 11:11.20 | zekefast | and also those deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib |
| 11:11.36 | zekefast | Yep, sorry for spam, will do |
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| 11:12.43 | ompaul | awards self wrong button award |
| 11:13.11 | paul3 | hey, guys |
| 11:13.17 | zekefast | ompaul, could you share a link to this repo? |
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| 11:14.58 | paul3 | there's a wine version in repo - 1.0.1 (pretty old), but wine website says that there is 1.2.3 in official repos, and they only provide betas.. something is not right here :) |
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| 11:15.15 | ompaul | zekefast: you might like to add deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:15.20 | skamikaze | hey all |
| 11:16.16 | skamikaze | i'm looking for apache2s' mod authz_svn - removed in squeeze? libapach2-svn and subversion are installed |
| 11:16.35 | wwewe | How do I upgrade from wheezy to sid. Or better put, what are all the nvidia packages wheezy has for nVidia Legacy drivers (96xx) |
| 11:16.45 | wwewe | I mean people say /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 11:16.54 | wwewe | but I can't even download and install the packages, I need a complete package list |
| 11:17.12 | zekefast | ompaul, Ok, Thanks a lot! |
| 11:17.52 | paul3 | can comeone share a link to repo with current stable wine?:) |
| 11:17.56 | paul3 | *s |
| 11:18.00 | wwewe | how do I use pngs as placemarks |
| 11:18.33 | ompaul | people don't be messaging people, at best you get good advice, maybe you get bad advice, or maybe you get advice that is designed to break |
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| 11:18.57 | ompaul | zekefast: you might like to add an src line in there |
| 11:19.37 | ompaul | paul3: the wine in stable installs with apt-get if you mean you want a newer package |
| 11:19.44 | ompaul | then you need backports |
| 11:19.52 | zekefast | ompaul, thank! Now I see those updates: tzdata [2011k-0squeeze1 -> 2011m-0squeeze1] tzdata-java [2011k-0squeeze1 -> 2011m-0squeeze1] |
| 11:20.25 | zekefast | ompaul, sorry that disturb you guys :( |
| 11:20.29 | paul3 | mpaul, yeah, I need the latest. What are backports? |
| 11:20.43 | paul3 | *o |
| 11:21.04 | ompaul | wwewe: it appears you have been /msg people a lot - don't |
| 11:22.04 | ompaul | its out of order and it is better that that the peer group sees the advice |
| 11:22.08 | wwewe | How do I upgrade from wheezy to sid. Or better put, what are all the nvidia packages wheezy has for nVidia Legacy drivers (96xx) |
| 11:22.23 | wwewe | Wheezy isn't installing them, it keeps saying aptitude -f install to correct dependencies |
| 11:22.34 | wwewe | what do I type, aptitude clear cache or something |
| 11:22.48 | ham5 | you add the repo, update list, then install |
| 11:22.55 | ompaul | apt-get update with the sources given and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:22.57 | ham5 | dont upgrade your whole dist or youll have a pile of crap |
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| 11:23.13 | henchman24 | uses irssi with /ignore MSGS * with exceptions to friends ;) |
| 11:23.33 | wwewe | well |
| 11:23.35 | henchman24 | pm me allday... it wont get through 8D |
| 11:23.36 | ham5 | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 11:23.37 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; experimental/non-free: 290.03-1 |
| 11:23.49 | wwewe | I was thinking of upgrading to sid because I get an X error saying "FATAL: No screens found "nvidia" |
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| 11:24.03 | wwewe | my problem is that some of them say 273.xx.xx, then other 96.xx.xx |
| 11:24.11 | henchman24 | lul i doubt sid would make it better |
| 11:24.12 | wwewe | and I can't How do I upgrade from wheezy to sid. Or better put, what are all I'll try update list, apt-get update |
| 11:24.17 | ompaul | well you went playing in the fields of nvidia and they are problematic at this time |
| 11:24.25 | wwewe | only stable works right |
| 11:24.30 | wwewe | but I don't want stable |
| 11:24.41 | wwewe | wheezy is what I need to have stable audio installs and I need wheezy for wine |
| 11:24.46 | skamikaze | wwewe: stop randomly pming people with your problem, ty |
| 11:24.48 | ompaul | then learn to fix sid for yourself |
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| 11:25.20 | ompaul | you've now gone half way there is no real return from there you can stop and wait for wheezy to catch up |
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| 11:31.42 | steph7 | Hi, I'm having problems with usb wifi, it's a d-link dwl G122 rev c1, module rt73usb, firmware is loaded, but i can't scan...someone can help me? |
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| 11:43.07 | ompaul | steph7: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 11:43.23 | steph7 | ompaul, already seen... |
| 11:43.52 | ompaul | steph7: well that is supposed to work so I suggest rmmod to take out the inserted module and go again |
| 11:43.57 | ompaul | in case the wrong one is in there |
| 11:44.34 | steph7 | if I rmmod rt73usb wlan0 interface disappear |
| 11:44.55 | paul3 | guys, I've done steps discribed here http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/, and when I try to install wine (over my current, without removing it) - says wine is the newest what'dIdowrong? |
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| 11:47.32 | babilen | paul3: How are you installing it? Do you use the "-t squeeze-backports" option? |
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| 11:47.53 | babilen | ,versions wine |
| 11:47.54 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 11:48.01 | babilen | paul3: Please also note that wine is *not* in backports |
| 11:48.18 | ham5 | wine-1.3.31 |
| 11:48.35 | paul3 | babilen, yes I use this option. And that's probably the case - if it's not there.. then where do I find it? |
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| 11:50.19 | babilen | paul3: I am certainly not the right person to ask about wine, but I know that it is in an abysmal state in Debian. You most likely want to either: Backport wine-unstable from sid (/msg dpkg ssb) or get it directly from upstream. AFAIK upstream does not provide packages for squeeze, so you might have to backport those as well. |
| 11:50.26 | babilen | ,checkbackport wine-unstable |
| 11:50.27 | judd | Backporting package wine-unstable in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
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| 11:51.11 | henchman24 | is http://www.lamaresh.net/ respectable? |
| 11:51.29 | babilen | paul3: I would suggest to discuss it in #winehq if no one else in here has hands-on experience with that. |
| 11:51.43 | henchman24 | "Latest version: 1.1.32" |
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| 11:51.52 | henchman24 | from his/that repo |
| 11:52.00 | babilen | henchman24: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ is (never heard of that lamaresh one) |
| 11:53.12 | paul3 | so there's no stable version for debian above 1.0.1 ?? |
| 11:53.28 | babilen | Yes |
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| 11:53.55 | paul3 | well, that sucks.. =) thanks for the heads up, though.. |
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| 11:54.33 | gnarface | i'm having trouble reading a dvd. it says no medium found when i try to mount it. help? |
| 11:54.47 | babilen | paul3: Backporting the packages from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ might not be that hard, but please discuss it with upstream. You can, however, quite easily backport 1.1.35 from sid (wine-unstable) |
| 11:55.27 | henchman24 | we dont like windows apps around here ;) |
| 11:56.05 | ompaul | paul3: something about debian users not feeling a dependency on windows for computing comes to mind |
| 11:56.12 | paul3 | henchman24, is there Unreal Tornament for debian? :) |
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| 11:57.11 | paul3 | ompaul, I've got like 500 users and a bunch of servers using windows. as much as I would like not to depend on it..:) |
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| 11:59.55 | henchman24 | gnarface: is it a blueray? is it and encrypted dvd? is it plugged in? :D |
| 12:00.31 | henchman24 | need libdvdcss for encrypted iirc |
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| 12:02.08 | henchman24 | i think there might be an unreal for linux |
| 12:03.43 | ompaul | paul3: we all choose our own prisons :) |
| 12:03.54 | ompaul | stops with the philosophy |
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| 12:05.07 | brah | I had asked about Xorg's sluggishness on testing, and I was told it was a bug. However, I can't find that bug in the bug reports. |
| 12:05.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
| 12:05.35 | ham5 | nvidia driver? |
| 12:05.45 | paul3 | ompaul, well yeah..:) I don't know enough to administer linux, so Windows is my prison for now :) |
| 12:05.53 | henchman24 | ut3 linux server |
| 12:06.00 | paul3 | btw, what is the cool firewall for debian? |
| 12:06.15 | gnarface | henchman24: its a video game dvd. wolfenstein (the one made by raven and published by activision) |
| 12:06.16 | henchman24 | iptables |
| 12:06.17 | ham5 | the only firewall for linux; iptables |
| 12:06.21 | henchman24 | its soo kewl |
| 12:06.22 | gnarface | henchman24: and yes, its plugged in |
| 12:06.24 | brah | ham5: Asking me? Yes, non-free nvidia. |
| 12:06.29 | simonlnu | !firewall |
| 12:06.30 | dpkg | [firewall] a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see <gibraltar>, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection. See also <firehol>. |
| 12:06.36 | babilen | brah: There is a specific wheezy/sid channel (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) and the bugs you are looking for are most likely http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642757 http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166698 -- Note that the version in experimental solves the performance problems, but we had reports that flash is broken. |
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| 12:06.45 | ham5 | yea brah, new driver and new x seem to solve |
| 12:06.56 | ham5 | also run newer flash because old v11 it will break |
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| 12:07.11 | babilen | ham5: So the newest flash version is running fine? |
| 12:07.24 | brah | My bad. I was looking in xserver-xorg instead of xorg. Thanks! |
| 12:07.32 | ham5 | me and other havent had any problems |
| 12:07.37 | brah | (Is there a difference between xserver-xorg and xorg?) |
| 12:07.42 | babilen | ham5: Marvellous :) |
| 12:07.47 | ham5 | ive seen some still having problems |
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| 12:08.03 | ham5 | certin cases i dont know what they had for certin, driver, xversion wise |
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| 12:08.54 | ham5 | nvnews.net; nvidia linux fourm good to follow fyi |
| 12:09.13 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 12:22.55 | brah | I've got this annoying notification icon on my app tray. It displays notifications and a 'Clear all notifications button'. |
| 12:23.02 | brah | I can't seem to be able to take a screenshot of it. |
| 12:23.06 | brah | Is it Gnome 2's? |
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| 12:25.03 | ham5 | sounds like zenity |
| 12:25.12 | Bushmills | sounds like gnome 3. click "clear all notification", and it disappears from the tray |
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| 12:28.31 | brah | This guy! http://i.imgur.com/lzd5y.png |
| 12:28.35 | jankidudel | hi, I have circular dependency , libio-pty-perl <=> apt-show-versions , i'm with remote lenny server. trying to apt-get update, nothing, don't know where to get from these packages |
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| 12:29.30 | Max_213 | Hi, anyone tried owncloud2 with webdav ? |
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| 12:32.00 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 12:32.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 12:32.23 | Bushmills | Max_213: statistically, not too unlikely |
| 12:32.31 | Max_213 | my question simple does it work for you |
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| 12:38.05 | Wayny | in CUPS, our HP_LaserJet_P3005_USB_CNF1P46619_HPLIP printer is constantly setting itself into "paused" mode. Before, when I wanted to print something, the workaround was just to "resume" it everytime I wanted to print something. Now even that one does not work and I only get the error message "pending since\nMon 31 Oct 2011 01:29:22 PM CET \n"/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed". Any idea? |
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| 12:41.49 | simonlnu | there's a log in /var/log/cups/ |
| 12:42.11 | Wayny | this sounds interesting: Failed to send: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied:Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="m |
| 12:42.12 | Wayny | ethod_call", sender=":1.23" (uid=7 pid=2763 comm="HP_LaserJet_P3005_USB_CNF1P46619_HPLIP 172 mam Unt") interface="org.freedesktop.ColorManager" |
| 12:42.12 | Wayny | member="FindDeviceById" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop.ColorManager" (uid=120 pid=1361 comm="/usr/lib/i38 |
| 12:42.13 | Wayny | 6-linux-gnu/colord/colord ") |
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| 12:42.34 | simonlnu | um, don't paste in here? ;) |
| 12:42.56 | Wayny | (I only do it sometimes when there are no people talking. So there's nothing interesting to scroll out the screen) |
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| 12:43.12 | simonlnu | yeh, don't do that here |
| 12:43.25 | Wayny | okay, I know it now |
| 12:43.25 | simonlnu | channel policy |
| 12:43.34 | simonlnu | np |
| 12:43.47 | Wayny | any idea about my problem? |
| 12:43.57 | simonlnu | something to do with that colord |
| 12:44.15 | simonlnu | this on wheezy or sid? |
| 12:44.29 | Wayny | simonlnu: sid... |
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| 12:46.20 | simonlnu | you might to ask in#debian-next.. on oftc network.. that dbus stuff is pretty opaque to me still. maybe get a rule into dbus for it or something. see what the people over there say. |
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| 13:03.25 | SuperNull | Hey guys, how can one change tty0 to something other than a login prompt.. like say.. some kind of ascii message |
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| 13:10.16 | simonlnu | you run a non-exiting app instead of login |
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| 13:12.13 | dobber | Hello, I have one server that crashes after `cat /proc/mdstat`. Have anyone seen this? |
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| 13:12.49 | SuperNull | that sucks. |
| 13:13.00 | ham5 | crashes after a cat.. ;\ |
| 13:13.04 | dobber | yes |
| 13:13.30 | dobber | i can paste strace |
| 13:13.59 | ompaul | dobber: into paste.debian.net you can paste here the bot will remove you |
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| 13:15.13 | dobber | http://paste.debian.net/141487/ |
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| 13:16.26 | dobber | this is cat /proc/mdstat |
| 13:16.26 | dobber | http://paste.debian.net/141488/ |
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| 13:17.28 | SuperNull | omg im about ready to stab adobe in the face. |
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| 13:17.46 | dobber | i guess nothing usefull |
| 13:17.46 | SuperNull | Since they have taken over macromedia .. flash has become the ultimate in crashing for any browser. |
| 13:18.10 | sephii | Don't use it then |
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| 13:18.48 | SuperNull | dont use flash.. |
| 13:19.07 | sefaitchier | Debian 6.0 .htacces dont work by default ? |
| 13:19.09 | SuperNull | one simply cannot just not use flash.. |
| 13:19.24 | SuperNull | at least if they actually use the WWW |
| 13:19.33 | sefaitchier | .htaccess* |
| 13:20.29 | sephii | SuperNull: so install noscript and load flash only when really necessary (ie. when you go on youtube) |
| 13:20.52 | SuperNull | ... it just froze on youtube.. |
| 13:21.19 | SuperNull | sephii all im saying is the quality of the product has gone down, and that will likely help html5 :-) go HTML5 |
| 13:21.20 | SuperNull | hah |
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| 13:28.19 | izepstan | someone a idea how to trace this error: Oct 31 13:54:31 cache kernel: apache2[25661]: segfault at 00007fffe3acfff8 rip 00002b94cd8d5238 rsp 00007fffe3ad0000 error 6 |
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| 13:29.17 | liiwi | bad hardware? run memtest.. |
| 13:31.51 | izepstan | liiwi, is this memory allocation? |
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| 13:39.43 | liiwi | izepstan: well, program is writing where it should not be, corruption is the most likely cause. |
| 13:40.05 | erawfish_ | liiwi: how do you know it writes to the wrong location? |
| 13:40.36 | liiwi | see the error message above |
| 13:41.09 | erawfish_ | that doesn't answer my question |
| 13:41.15 | abrotman | !segfault |
| 13:41.16 | dpkg | segfault is, like, Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about <sig11>, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 13:41.19 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 13:41.20 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ Also ask me about <memtest>. |
| 13:41.22 | abrotman | grrr |
| 13:42.17 | erawfish_ | liiwi: have you looked at the code at 00007fffe3acfff8? basically what izepstan is asking for days now is simply a useless waste of time for us and him especially with the amount of information he's given |
| 13:42.29 | erawfish_ | he's been told several times already but he still asks |
| 13:42.52 | themill | dpkg, segfault is <reply> see sig11 |
| 13:42.53 | dpkg | ...but segfault is already something else... |
| 13:42.55 | themill | dpkg, no segfault is <reply> see sig11 |
| 13:42.56 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 13:43.02 | themill | !botspank |
| 13:43.02 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
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| 13:45.54 | colo-work | lol |
| 13:48.26 | threadlock | someone familiar with debarchiver? i've repacked a package in our local repo, but without changing version (don't ask, this is how we wanted to do it), removed it from the Packages file and updated the Packages.gz, the package itself and /var/cache/debarchiver/cache.db |
| 13:49.06 | threadlock | then i put the package in the incoming folder, wait for the cronjob to run and put the package where it's supposed to be |
| 13:50.05 | threadlock | but i _still_ get "Size mismatch", the md5sum is still from the earlier version of the package (with same version and name etc) |
| 13:50.16 | threadlock | where does that come from? |
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| 13:50.42 | Azrael | hey folks |
| 13:50.51 | threadlock | i've tried to 'grep -R <md5sum> /var/lib/debarchiver/dists' and cannot find it |
| 13:51.05 | Azrael | i'm new to debian, so i have what may seem as a simple question but... i'm trying to install postfix and i'm getting ' postfix : Depends: ssl-cert but it is not installable |
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| 13:51.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Azrael about bat |
| 13:51.52 | themill | Azrael: you need to provide us with lots more information first. See what dpkg suggested would be helpful |
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| 13:54.35 | Azrael | themill: thanks |
| 13:54.38 | Azrael | themill: http://paste.debian.net/141497/ |
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| 13:56.01 | themill | Azrael: you don't actually have a main mirror in your sources.list; you also would do better to use a closer mirror than ftp.debian.org. |
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| 13:56.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Azrael about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 14:00.43 | Azrael | themill: ahh cool, thanks for the help |
| 14:00.49 | Azrael | themill: like i was saying, i'm new to debian ;-) |
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| 14:01.11 | Azrael | themill: been a slackware + redhat user since 1998. gentoo since 2002. just never debian/ubuntu. |
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| 14:01.27 | henchman24 | use the magic cow powers of aptitude |
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| 14:10.26 | seicherlbob | Hi! I have a udev rule, that creates a device symlink and triggers a script when an external USB-HDD connected. Is there a way to trigger that rule without unplugging the device, because i dont have physical access to the drive right now. |
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| 14:12.13 | gnarface | hey guys if i want to pin xorg to an old version that's not in the archives anymore can i still do that to keep it from upgrading? |
| 14:13.04 | karlpinc | seicherlbob: Yes. But I forget. udevadm? |
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| 14:13.33 | karlpinc | seicherlbob: Of course you could just run the script directly. :) |
| 14:13.39 | babilen | gnarface: I would be very surprised if not |
| 14:14.14 | seicherlbob | karlpinc: the man pages look promising. thanks so far. i'll check that. |
| 14:14.54 | karlpinc | seicherlbob: It may also be helpful to look around in /usr/doc/udev*/* for READMEs and such. |
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| 14:16.38 | erawfish_ | gnarface: can you tell us what the problem with a more current xorg is? |
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| 14:17.09 | gnarface | erawfish_: i'm using nvidia binary drivers :( |
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| 14:18.16 | seicherlbob | karlpinc: I think udevadm trigger is what i was looking for. anyway, when i do this, nothing happens. |
| 14:19.02 | gnarface | babilen: which package would i pin to make sure none of the subcomponents get upgraded either? |
| 14:19.07 | erawfish_ | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 14:19.09 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; experimental/non-free: 290.03-1 |
| 14:19.34 | erawfish_ | gnarface: ^^ see that. there is a reason it's "280.13.really.275.28-1" or is your card unsupported with 275? |
| 14:20.10 | gnarface | erawfish_: no but stuff was crashing with that version. its all because i run wine, unfortunately. |
| 14:20.20 | seicherlbob | karlpinc: I mean, using verbose i see which devices would be effected, but the symlink is not created and the trigger script is not run. |
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| 14:28.29 | seicherlbob | karlpinc: ok, i just called someone to replug it ... thanks anyway! |
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| 14:35.53 | Retenodus_ | How can I differentiate DVD's of a same version in a script ? |
| 14:36.21 | Retenodus_ | I speak about install DVD |
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| 14:48.54 | Virtualmix | Hello all |
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| 14:49.53 | Virtualmix | I have a Logitech mouse "performance MX" but 2 buttons are not doing anything |
| 14:50.09 | Virtualmix | on Debian (wheezy) |
| 14:50.43 | Virtualmix | Logitech provide a configuration software but for Windows only |
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| 14:51.46 | Virtualmix | I can tell that this 2 buttons are recognized under Debian but they are not affected to any function and therefore do nothing |
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| 14:52.24 | Virtualmix | I would like to know if a mouse configuration software is available in Debian |
| 14:52.36 | l0x_ph1x | write your own :P |
| 14:52.40 | abrotman | you can configure it in your xorg.conf .. sholdn't be needed though |
| 14:53.09 | JasonWoof | Virtualmix: try the keyboard shortcuts control panel |
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| 14:54.04 | Virtualmix | JasonWoof: I tried but it doesnt let me affect a shortcut to a mouse button |
| 14:54.29 | JasonWoof | Virtualmix: does xev give output when you press the extra buttons? |
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| 14:55.08 | Virtualmix | JasonWoof: I'm not sure how to use xev :-s |
| 14:55.21 | JasonWoof | Virtualmix: open a terminal, type "xev" press enter |
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| 14:55.40 | JasonWoof | Virtualmix: it outputs all kinds of garbage when you move the mouse, press keys, etc |
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| 14:55.50 | erawfish_ | ,info imwheel |
| 14:55.51 | judd | Package imwheel (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: program to support non-standard buttons on mice in Linux. Version: 1.0.0pre12-9; Size: 66.9k; Installed: 180k; Homepage: http://imwheel.sourceforge.net |
| 14:56.08 | JasonWoof | Virtualmix: I use it to make sure buttons are working |
| 14:56.31 | browan | have installed wine and winetricks. how to use them to install and run ie? any good site to read up on this? |
| 14:56.37 | Virtualmix | JasonWoof: ok, yes it does recognise the buttons |
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| 14:57.05 | Virtualmix | JasonWoof: thanks for the tip :) |
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| 14:57.32 | JasonWoof | Virtualmix: great! now you just need to get them set to do what you want. try imwheel, I think erawfish_ is onto something :) |
| 14:57.54 | Virtualmix | JasonWoof: thank you, I will give it a try :) |
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| 14:58.22 | Retenodus_ | JasonWoof : Do you know how I can differentiate Debian install DVD (for example DVD 2 and 3) from their content ? |
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| 14:58.53 | JasonWoof | browan: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page |
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| 14:59.21 | themill | Retenodus_: they have different md5sums; you could compare to the checksum list in the download directory. |
| 14:59.34 | JasonWoof | Retenodus_: no idea |
| 14:59.38 | themill | Retenodus_: (but why do you want the DVDs anyway? they're a bit of a waste of bandwidth) |
| 14:59.58 | JasonWoof | I've never used debian DVD |
| 15:00.15 | JasonWoof | I've always used a netinstall iso |
| 15:00.15 | Retenodus_ | themill : it's for a platform without internet access |
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| 15:00.39 | browan | i have reached the point where i can open an html page but it is white with a msg that "HTML rendering is currently disabled". Where to enable it? |
| 15:01.08 | JasonWoof | browan: runnig ie? |
| 15:01.15 | JasonWoof | /nig/ing/ |
| 15:01.24 | browan | JasonWoof: yes. |
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| 15:01.38 | JasonWoof | weirdness |
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| 15:10.32 | Virtualmix | I dont really get how imwheel works... |
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| 15:11.55 | red2kic | Hi. The clock is reporting 9:51am. I followed the guide -- http://wiki.debian.org/NTP -- And well, it's still wrong. |
| 15:12.14 | red2kic | I'm behind by a good 20 minutes. Does anybody have experiences with NTP? |
| 15:12.38 | tvm | what's the deal with it ? |
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| 15:14.17 | jordanm | red2kic: you will need ntpdate to make an instant change to time. NTP will correct the time and keep it correct, but it does so slowly |
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| 15:14.53 | jordanm | red2kic: ntpd -q should also work |
| 15:15.09 | red2kic | jordanm: ntpdate is installed. I'll try the command. |
| 15:15.26 | tvm | red2kic: also check your timezone settings. |
| 15:15.48 | red2kic | Mon Oct 31 09:55:24 CDT 2011 |
| 15:15.52 | red2kic | The timezone is correct. |
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| 15:16.11 | red2kic | This is strange. NTP is pretty straightforward but the time is still wrong. |
| 15:16.25 | tvm | red2kic: so run "ntpdate time.nist.gov" |
| 15:16.49 | cardamon | anyone know what version of grub Squeeze and Wheezy use? |
| 15:16.54 | cardamon | by default? |
| 15:17.05 | babilen | ,versions grub-pc |
| 15:17.05 | judd | Package: grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-12; wheezy: 1.99-12 |
| 15:17.09 | babilen | cardamon: ^^^ |
| 15:17.15 | cardamon | Thanks. |
| 15:18.05 | cardamon | How about this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=72018 |
| 15:18.13 | red2kic | tvm: The daemon was running. I stopped it. That command fixed it. Thank you very much, sir. |
| 15:18.22 | cardamon | I resized my root partition and can no longer boot it. |
| 15:18.28 | red2kic | tvm: offset 1222.750570 sec |
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| 15:19.23 | cardamon | I also cannot mount it |
| 15:19.23 | tvm | red2kic: stick that line into crontab and forget about ntpd. |
| 15:19.54 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: Sounds like you'll have to restore the backup. |
| 15:20.10 | red2kic | tvm: Noted. I installed it because the time was wrong. I don't use it at all. I'll uninstall it now. :) |
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| 15:20.57 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt: There's no backup to restore to. Just a few hours of incovience. |
| 15:20.58 | babilen | What's wrong with ntpd? It just want handle large jumps that well (that is what ntpdate / ntpd -q are for), but keeps the time in sync once within a reasonable window. |
| 15:21.10 | cardamon | If I can avoid that, I'd prefere it. |
| 15:21.19 | babilen | s/want/won't/ (doh) |
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| 15:23.05 | Virtualmix | cardamon: Did you tried to mount your partition from a live CD session? |
| 15:23.23 | tvm | babilen: well i've got nothing against ntpd besides the thing that you stated above :) |
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| 15:23.27 | cardamon | Virtualmix, I did. |
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| 15:23.39 | cardamon | Virtualmix, That's how I know it won't mount. |
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| 15:24.15 | KettleCooked | I just thought of an awesome name. 'Aptidude'. "-Yo, I'm Aptidude!". Get it? You can use it. |
| 15:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | If one were to read the documentation for ntpd, one would learn how to handle large offsets. |
| 15:24.50 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: What does it say when you try to mount it? What did you do to resize it? |
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| 15:25.05 | cardamon | jhutchins_lt, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=72018 |
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| 15:26.11 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: The filesystem is no longer there. |
| 15:26.33 | cardamon | how would any of that have broken it? |
| 15:27.16 | DelTree | was it starting from 1 ? |
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| 15:27.26 | DelTree | did you save the old partition table ? |
| 15:27.30 | cardamon | No. |
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| 15:27.47 | cardamon | no one told me I could |
| 15:27.59 | zykotick9 | cardamon, "then with fdisk deleted the partitions" i think this tells us you deleted them |
| 15:28.00 | cardamon | And I didn't come across that tidbit. |
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| 15:28.27 | DelTree | how where the old partitions made ? |
| 15:28.31 | cardamon | zykotick9, which was the procedure I came up with when I looked up how to shrink partitions. |
| 15:28.43 | cardamon | DelTree, parted |
| 15:28.47 | cardamon | gparted |
| 15:29.04 | DelTree | then it surely did not start at sector 1... ^_^ |
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| 15:29.43 | cardamon | It did because that was my only 2 partitions. |
| 15:30.04 | DelTree | try recreating with parted... but of course, not sure it will work... |
| 15:30.06 | cardamon | I had two partitions, one / and one swap |
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| 15:30.33 | cardamon | recreating what at this point... |
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| 15:30.42 | DelTree | your partition... |
| 15:30.52 | DelTree | you have to make it start at the right sector... |
| 15:31.37 | cardamon | If I made it not start at the right sector there is no way for me to know what is the right one. |
| 15:31.57 | DelTree | there are chances that parted would pick it for you... |
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| 15:32.26 | cardamon | I probably didn't use parted. I used whate the D-I pulled up. |
| 15:32.33 | cardamon | I used fdisk for the resize. |
| 15:32.52 | DelTree | yup... but fdisk doesn't work like parted... |
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| 15:33.11 | DelTree | (rather the other way round in fact, but same result)... |
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| 15:34.17 | cardamon | So, walk me through it? All I have is the debian rescue liveCD. |
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| 15:35.56 | cardamon | ...which apparently just hangs when I try to ask it to do something useful. |
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| 15:36.31 | cardamon | Text Rescue...I have no idea what that does but it sounds useful, oh wait it just sits there. |
| 15:37.48 | erawfish_ | cardamon: what kind of data is on that disk? ie, how important is it to save if? |
| 15:37.52 | erawfish_ | *it |
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| 15:38.10 | jhutchins_lt | cardamon: If you used fdisk to resize a partition, the contents of that partition are no longer a valid filesystem. The data may be there, but accessing it requires very specialized techniques. |
| 15:38.46 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: he didn't use fdisk to resize a partition since fdisk cannot do that... |
| 15:38.56 | DelTree | my guess it the new partition starts at sector 1 when the old one started as cylinder 1... |
| 15:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: Sure it can. You delete the old partition and create a smaller one. |
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| 15:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | [10:32] <cardamon> I used fdisk for the resize. |
| 15:39.43 | DelTree | damn bios for cylinders and damn graphical partitionners for using them... |
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| 15:40.01 | erawfish_ | cardamon: what filesystem is on that partition? |
| 15:40.22 | cardamon | ext4 |
| 15:40.31 | erawfish_ | DelTree: every partitioner out there uses them cause it has to and none of them start on sector one. if they did, grub would never ever work |
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| 15:40.57 | erawfish_ | cardamon: how important is that data on that partition/disk to you? |
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| 15:41.17 | cardamon | erawfish_, It's not irreplacable. |
| 15:41.32 | rozie | cardamon: how did you resize? |
| 15:41.42 | DelTree | erawfish_: what dirty trick do you mean grub uses ? |
| 15:41.44 | cardamon | resize2fs |
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| 15:42.46 | erawfish_ | then reinstall. otherwise: check how the first sector of a ext4 fs looks like by looking at other ext4 filesystems and look for it on the disk, then create a partition encompassing the full disk and starting at the first ext4 sector you found via comparison to the other fs and mount it. it will take a day or longer depending how much you know but it won't be "cost effective" |
| 15:42.48 | cardamon | then fdisk, deleted the existing sda1, made a new one where it was |
| 15:42.59 | erawfish_ | DelTree: no dirty trick at all. typically normal |
| 15:43.11 | cardamon | Same size as the resized one. |
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| 15:44.19 | DelTree | erawfish_: just to be sure we're on the same line... sector 1 is not the PBR... that's sector 0... |
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| 15:45.14 | rozie | did you start live, unmount, fsck, then resize2fs, then fsck once again? |
| 15:45.27 | erawfish_ | DelTree: what is a PBR? all I know is a MBR. and the space between MBR and start of the first partition is usually taken up by grub (or other bootmanagers) |
| 15:46.02 | DelTree | erawfish_: PBR is some sort of an MBR, but at partition level... |
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| 15:46.27 | erawfish_ | DelTree: you're funny when you make up TLAs. must be a nice hobby |
| 15:46.31 | DelTree | erawfish_: using the fact that dirty partionners live alone many sectors in cylinder 0 is what I call a dirty trick... |
| 15:46.36 | cardamon | Well, then fine. |
| 15:46.40 | cardamon | Trying to reinstall. |
| 15:46.50 | DelTree | leave* |
| 15:46.57 | cardamon | but the installer on the rescueCD seems to hang. |
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| 15:47.58 | cardamon | Staring at a sea of blue |
| 15:48.06 | cardamon | with a grey bar at the bottom |
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| 15:49.00 | erawfish_ | DelTree: you may call it that but that's what MSDOS made the standard with the first harddisks and we live with it ever after |
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| 15:49.33 | Virtualmix | ,info btnx |
| 15:49.34 | judd | Package btnx (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: daemon for rerouting mouse button events. Version: 0.4.11-3; Size: 20.3k; Installed: 120k; Homepage: http://www.ollisalonen.com/btnx/ |
| 15:50.17 | Virtualmix | I found an easy way to set up my mouse buttons :) |
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| 15:55.49 | ldlework | Why are there 30 ISO's to choose from on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.9/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 15:55.51 | ldlework | ? |
| 15:56.31 | erawfish_ | ldlework: note how they are numbered. you want the first CD aka CD1 or a netinst ISO |
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| 15:57.14 | erawfish_ | ldlework: and you don't want to get debian 5 either, you want the current debian stable which is 6.0.3 |
| 15:57.30 | ldlework | erawfish_, no I need to recreate an environment for an app |
| 15:58.17 | erawfish_ | ldlework: in 4 months your app needs to update then.otherwise it's defective software |
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| 15:58.30 | ldlework | erawfish_, lol tell the client |
| 15:59.05 | erawfish_ | lenny will go EOL in february 2012 |
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| 16:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: You scared him off, I think he was looking for help rather than criticism. |
| 16:01.41 | Monarch__ | hey, question- |
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| 16:01.54 | Monarch__ | i'm shh'ing into a friend's debian box |
| 16:02.13 | Monarch__ | and something bugged out while i was using irssi, and now some perl stuff isn't loaded properly. |
| 16:02.19 | Monarch__ | or at least, that's what it says when i try to reload irssi. |
| 16:02.51 | Monarch__ | when i try install it, it gives me an error: |
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| 16:03.31 | Monarch__ | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on perl |
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| 16:04.15 | ham5 | your 'friends' going to be mad at you screwed it up real good |
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| 16:05.09 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 16:05.35 | ragnar76 | short question, what is the right cd/dvd image of debian for an imac? |
| 16:05.55 | Monarch__ | ham5: thanks for the constructive input. |
| 16:05.57 | Monarch__ | any idea how i fix it? |
| 16:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | ragnar76: ppc or Intel? |
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| 16:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | Monarch__: That sounds like a configuration error from the package manager. |
| 16:07.56 | ragnar76 | jhutchins_lt: it's an intel |
| 16:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | ragnar76: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
| 16:08.35 | jhutchins_lt | ragnar76: Dealing with the EFI can be tricky. |
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| 16:09.29 | ragnar76 | jhutchins_lt: i've installed debian on an old g4 ppc mac once but never on a newer one |
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| 16:12.48 | gnarface | ok people i've got this commercial video game disk (dvd copy of ID's "Wolfenstein", by raven software) that i can't mount. mount claims its not a disk. i've tried unhide (would that even work in this case?) but no effect. any ideas? |
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| 16:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: You don't suppose it's deliberately crippled by DRM do you? |
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| 16:20.19 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: anything is possible. this game is widely reported as working under wine though so you'd think if there were disks out there that were unreadable in linux there would be more complaints about it |
| 16:21.02 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i asked in #winehq and they said its gotta be a linux problem (or a bad disk) |
| 16:21.52 | gnarface | jhutchins: does this look right to you? /dev/dvd/media/dvd iso9660,udf ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:21.57 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: I would lean toward bad disk. |
| 16:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Try mounting it -t auto |
| 16:22.27 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Or examining it with fdisk or something. or file /dev/dvd |
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| 16:26.13 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: this command: mount -t auto /dev/sr1 /mnt returns this: mount: no medium found on /dev/sr1 |
| 16:27.01 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: (/dev/dvd is just a symlink to /dev/sr1) |
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| 16:27.50 | abrotman | gnarface: are you sure the DVD is actually still good? |
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| 16:28.37 | gnarface | abrotman: well i mean... it was new. i never used it once. |
| 16:28.57 | gnarface | abrotman: i didn't leave it in the microwave or anything |
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| 16:31.01 | en1gma | im running debian squeezy...i disabled network-manager...could someone look at my pastebin and tell me why i can ping my router on 192.168.1.1? http://pastebin.com/Bg1vVXZa |
| 16:31.36 | en1gma | everything looks good to me...cant understand why i cant ping it |
| 16:32.23 | gnarface | en1gma: cause your router is down? |
| 16:32.33 | en1gma | nah im using it right now. |
| 16:32.40 | skr | cable issues? |
| 16:32.43 | en1gma | auto dhcp works |
| 16:32.47 | en1gma | nope |
| 16:32.54 | en1gma | im missing something in the config or something |
| 16:34.10 | Absorto | I'll be setting up personal computers, but it would be lovely if users could choose at login a remote session on a more powerful host. Can anyone recommend a contemporary DM chooser? |
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| 16:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | Absorto: ltsp |
| 16:35.39 | Absorto | jhutchins_lt: is that the one that always goes over ssh? |
| 16:35.56 | Absorto | jhutchins_lt: I mean... just the DM... |
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| 16:36.09 | erawfish_ | en1gma: can you ping google? |
| 16:36.20 | en1gma | 1 sec i try |
| 16:36.30 | gnarface | en1gma: your firewall is down right? also, sometimes ports die one at a time in switches/hubs. try a different port? |
| 16:36.32 | Virtualmix | en1gma: "sudo dhclient" maybe |
| 16:36.54 | en1gma | i trying to do it all manually with no dhclient or dhcp |
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| 16:37.14 | en1gma | nope cant ping google and i cant get into my routers web interface at 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:37.25 | abrotman | gnarface: that doesn't really mean that it still works .. |
| 16:38.10 | abrotman | en1gma: can you ping your own IP ? |
| 16:38.17 | en1gma | 1sec i try |
| 16:38.38 | en1gma | abrotman yep |
| 16:38.51 | en1gma | that seems to work ok |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | is the router a real box or a hardawre router? |
| 16:39.31 | skr | en1gma do you have more than one network card? |
| 16:39.35 | en1gma | its a hardware router (linksys wrt54g) |
| 16:39.50 | abrotman | can you telnet to the mgmt port? |
| 16:39.52 | en1gma | i have a wlan card wifi usb adapter i not bringing up |
| 16:40.17 | en1gma | let me try that 1 sec |
| 16:40.33 | en1gma | unable to connect |
| 16:41.02 | en1gma | for some reason it not making it out...like the route was bad or something |
| 16:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Does the router show a linklight? |
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| 16:41.34 | en1gma | ill try and ping it but its in other room |
| 16:41.39 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Does the PC show a light? Is it 10 or 100 M? |
| 16:41.54 | en1gma | yea cause im using it right now |
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| 16:42.16 | en1gma | debian is in a vmware...it works fine with network manager |
| 16:42.21 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Make sure that network-manager is not running. /etc/init.d/networking restart. Make sure nm is not running again. Try a different port on the router. Try a different cable. |
| 16:42.46 | en1gma | the router working good..im connected to it right now with the same computer |
| 16:42.51 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Troubleshoot the vm host - can it use the interface? |
| 16:43.08 | en1gma | thats what im wondering...since im in manual maybe it misses something |
| 16:43.12 | abrotman | en1gma: so check your route ? |
| 16:43.43 | en1gma | abrotman the route is in the pastbin...it looks good...maybe i will restart network-manager again and steal its settings |
| 16:45.06 | en1gma | yea the route is different |
| 16:45.35 | en1gma | ok thanks that was good idea |
| 16:46.03 | en1gma | oh wait |
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| 16:46.39 | en1gma | for route to my GW it shows http://pastebin.com/5tY83Xgi |
| 16:46.50 | en1gma | i dont see it showing 192.168.1.1 for my GW |
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| 16:47.15 | en1gma | route -n shows GW = 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:47.47 | en1gma | http://pastebin.com/ZtJfXAsX <<<new pastebin |
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| 16:49.39 | ih8pizza | it's saying your gateway is 192.168.248.2. |
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| 16:50.22 | en1gma | let me recheck |
| 16:52.54 | en1gma | i think its saying my machine is the .2 and the gw is the .0? |
| 16:53.42 | ih8pizza | no. it doesn't say anything about what *your* IP is, other than that it appears to be in the 192.168.248.0/24 subnet. |
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| 16:54.52 | abrotman | en1gma: if you're on a /24 network, the .0 address is not usable by a device |
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| 16:55.10 | abrotman | or rather .. generally not used |
| 16:55.12 | en1gma | ih8pizza it must be a virtual route because my real hw router = 192.168.1.1 and when network manager uses that route we are talking about and i 'ping 192.168.1.1' it makes it to it |
| 16:55.38 | en1gma | so i prob need to find a guide on manually adding a vm route to network interfaces? |
| 16:55.51 | en1gma | i need to take the info from network-manager i think somehow |
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| 17:00.51 | erawfish_ | en1gma: what kind of IP does dhclient get when you use it? or network manager? |
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| 17:01.25 | erawfish_ | that you use VMWare makes this problem totally bogus: there are around 3 different ways to connect a vmware instance to the host |
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| 17:01.59 | patate | hey |
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| 17:02.23 | en1gma | http://pastebin.com/nrkCsxuC |
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| 17:02.30 | en1gma | that is with network manager |
| 17:02.46 | en1gma | i want the one so i can use /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 17:03.01 | bobweaver | Hi therre I am have massive troubles trying to set up ubuntuand debian server I think that nit keeps killing my bios :>( The servers are dell poweredge 1400 . I read some stuff about in-compadible bios. maybe that is it? is there work arounds ? Everything works great as live cd/dvd but after install I get nothing I mean nothing no bios no video nothing. any suggestions ? thanks |
| 17:03.20 | patate | hio |
| 17:03.21 | erawfish_ | en1gma: and what setting have you used in vmware for this VM? |
| 17:03.38 | patate | . |
| 17:03.41 | en1gma | no settings in vm...you just install |
| 17:03.44 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: which debian version? |
| 17:03.52 | en1gma | 3GB memory and 4cores cpu in wmare player |
| 17:03.54 | bobweaver | whezzy |
| 17:03.58 | bobweaver | and sid |
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| 17:04.07 | bobweaver | 32 bit |
| 17:04.19 | erawfish_ | en1gma: there are settings in the VMWare GUI and you can't just use any IPs you want. please learn how VMWare works. However this is OT for this channel |
| 17:04.40 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: why do you run a server with wheezy? or sid of all things? |
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| 17:05.12 | bobweaver | erawfish_: I am brand new to all of this just trying to install . |
| 17:05.15 | en1gma | erawfish_ will check to see if that is correct and thanks |
| 17:05.24 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: you cannot "install" sid |
| 17:05.30 | bobweaver | anything at this point sorry about the !enter habbit |
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| 17:05.47 | bobweaver | erawfish_: thanks |
| 17:05.51 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: please install debian stable from a debian installer ISO |
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| 17:06.48 | bobweaver | erawfish_: I will try that right now. is there anything that I should look out for any suggestions other then the wonderfull ones that youo have said ? thanks for helping a n()()b out |
| 17:07.07 | jpwhiting | hey all, is there a way to see what packages are being worked on in unstable repo? |
| 17:07.21 | erawfish_ | jpwhiting: all of them? |
| 17:07.23 | jpwhiting | cmake 2.8.6 has been out since 10 4 but no package exists yet that I see |
| 17:07.25 | biz | where can I find the documentation for /etc/default/grub? |
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| 17:07.29 | bobweaver | hardware is 1.5 gig ram dual p3 800 s |
| 17:07.30 | jpwhiting | erawfish_: sure |
| 17:07.32 | patate | plop |
| 17:07.34 | jpwhiting | or a specific one |
| 17:07.38 | patate | ? |
| 17:07.51 | erawfish_ | jpwhiting: your question is nonsensical |
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| 17:08.17 | erawfish_ | jpwhiting: in even more shocking news, gnome3 is out a lot longer and it's still not in sid! |
| 17:08.41 | jpwhiting | ok, how come? because nobody wants to package it? |
| 17:09.20 | thewanderer1 | jpwhiting, http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cmake.html |
| 17:09.30 | erawfish_ | ,versions grub-doc |
| 17:09.31 | bobweaver | erawfish_: the servers -> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/pe1400sc/ thanks again |
| 17:09.32 | judd | Package: grub-doc on i386 -- lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-65; wheezy: 0.97-65 |
| 17:09.33 | jpwhiting | thewanderer1: thx |
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| 17:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 17:11.00 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 17:11.18 | erawfish_ | biz: what part of that file is unclear or what is your actual problem? I am not really sure if there is explicit documentation except what is written in the file itself |
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| 17:11.36 | jpwhiting | jhutchins_lt: cool cool |
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| 17:12.37 | jhutchins_lt | Note the "Not yet complete" bit there. Just because parts of Gnome3 are available doesn't mean it's a working system yet. |
| 17:12.55 | jhutchins_lt | ... even if some distributions are offering it. |
| 17:13.16 | bobweaver | erawfish_: I am sorry to ask all these questions but this is what you are talking about about stable http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable ? I just keep on losing servers is why I ask |
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| 17:13.36 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: yes |
| 17:14.14 | bobweaver | erawfish_: thanks |
| 17:14.16 | bobweaver | !servers |
| 17:14.38 | bobweaver | any documentations that I can find anywhere? thanks |
| 17:14.50 | erawfish_ | documentation for what? |
| 17:14.59 | jhutchins_lt | bobweaver: Documentation on what? |
| 17:15.08 | bobweaver | installing servers and making them run |
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| 17:15.16 | erawfish_ | !tell bobweaver about install guide |
| 17:15.35 | biz | erawfish_: seems like the i686 squeeze kernel tries to use some idiotic high resolution video mode (vesa?) per default these days. I want to disable that and restore the default kernel text mode. |
| 17:15.37 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: strangely enough the page you linked had a link to that guide too... |
| 17:15.42 | jhutchins_lt | bobweaver: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 17:15.51 | bobweaver | lol |
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| 17:15.58 | erawfish_ | biz: do you know what kernel parameter you want to use? |
| 17:16.04 | bobweaver | <---- big time n()()b |
| 17:16.12 | erawfish_ | !noob |
| 17:16.12 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 17:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | biz: You can try disabling kms/framebuffer, although some xorg drivers (stupidly) need that these days. |
| 17:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | !kms |
| 17:16.34 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 17:16.36 | erawfish_ | biz: tho, the way you are going is the wrong one. the right way is the set a different console font |
| 17:16.43 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: disabling kms is a bad bad idea |
| 17:17.08 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: while sometimes it's necessary, generally it's very harmful |
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| 17:17.19 | tototat | plop |
| 17:17.36 | Katty | fizz |
| 17:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: How is it "harmful"? At worst X won't load, which isn't a serious problem. |
| 17:17.53 | tototat | plop |
| 17:17.55 | MSTRCNVS | so weird... I'm trying to upgrade the updated packages at my server but I'm getting this error, I've tried ways to fix it all over the internet but no one seems to work http://paste.debian.net/141553/ |
| 17:18.10 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: it is a serious problem if you run a desktop. hence harmful. especially when the same affect (bigger font) can be accomplished otherwise |
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| 17:18.33 | erawfish_ | Katty, tototat: do you folks have a debian problem? |
| 17:18.40 | biz | erawfish_: I've skimmed bootparam(7) and found vga= and the video= params. Seems like adding vga=normal to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT is the way to go? |
| 17:18.49 | Katty | newp |
| 17:18.51 | Katty | i'm the problem. |
| 17:19.01 | jhutchins_lt | Serious problem for a mouth brething mouse addict maybe, but all you have to do is modprobe it. |
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| 17:20.29 | erawfish_ | biz: bootup later on will change that again afaik. please set a different, bigger font for your console instead. you are free to use any kernel parameter you want of course however |
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| 17:21.09 | bobweaver | erawfish_: question should I use 32 or 64 bit ? or what kind of arch ? |
| 17:21.25 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: i386. you have a P3 which cannot do 64bit |
| 17:21.37 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: I'd do a shutdown -Fr now to check the disk. |
| 17:22.00 | bobweaver | erawfish_: thanks It was the pci slots that where trowing me in a loop :>) |
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| 17:22.49 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt: this should solve the problem? |
| 17:22.56 | cantido | thought there were multiarch images with i386 and amd64 anyhooo |
| 17:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: It's a first step. |
| 17:23.27 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: Make sure you have enough disk space free too. |
| 17:23.27 | erawfish_ | cantido: not really. multiarch is a wheezy release goal |
| 17:23.55 | cantido | erawfish_: I mean images that can install either.. |
| 17:23.56 | themill | erawfish_: different sort of multiarch |
| 17:24.01 | bobweaver | erawfish_: thank you so much I will try to install in one hour |
| 17:24.23 | erawfish_ | cantido: never seen one of those for debian |
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| 17:24.34 | cantido | if you boot an amd64 image on a machine that doesnt support it.. you get told it wont work at least ;) |
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| 17:24.49 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt: did the shutdown with forced fsck on reboot, I'll wait for a little to try again coz it's a remote server and I'm acessing via terminal |
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| 17:25.00 | bobweaver | catatonic: could you make one with livee-debian under the config make arch both ? |
| 17:25.05 | cantido | erawfish_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 17:25.08 | themill | erawfish_: the link from the front page banner at "http://debian.org" goes to one |
| 17:25.10 | cantido | erawfish_: amd64 and i386 |
| 17:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: Once you're sure the disk is ok you can try aptitude -f install and see if it fixes things. |
| 17:25.43 | cantido | I thought there was i386, amd64 and ppc DVD or something too.. |
| 17:26.07 | themill | cantido: and amd64 and ia64 one would be a handy combination for people who haven't got a clue what arch they've got ;) |
| 17:26.11 | StephenS | am I me? |
| 17:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Except hardly anyone who has ia64 doesn't know it. |
| 17:26.56 | cantido | themill: or just nuke ia64 from space and be done with it |
| 17:27.15 | themill | jhutchins_lt: perhaps you should think why I'd be making that suggestion then |
| 17:27.22 | themill | cantido: +1 on that |
| 17:27.29 | cantido | or write "unless you spent a few hundred thousand $ on your machine it is not ia64" |
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| 17:27.44 | erawfish_ | no need. ia64 problem resolves itself soon enough biologically by dying out |
| 17:27.48 | cantido | next to the download link, iso image name |
| 17:28.03 | themill | cantido: still involves reading. Still won't happen. |
| 17:28.09 | cantido | shouts m68k ftw! |
| 17:28.16 | bobweaver | wow there are 52 *.iso are these snapshots or hybrid ? or do I need all of them ? |
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| 17:28.28 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: you only need CD1 |
| 17:28.53 | bobweaver | erawfish_:thanks snaphots or daily builds then ? |
| 17:29.05 | latenite | Hi folks, I just installed debian 6.0 ...rebooted and got a GRUB...then the screen blanked (is in standby now)...I can ssh Into the box...But I have no Ieda why the Screen is not working. Any help is highly appreciated :) |
| 17:29.08 | erawfish_ | no snapshots nor daily builds but a debian stable 6.0.3 ISO |
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| 17:29.41 | bobweaver | latenite: join the party |
| 17:29.43 | erawfish_ | latenite: what videocard? |
| 17:29.49 | jhutchins_lt | bobweaver: 30,000 packages. |
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| 17:29.53 | cantido | latenite: did you install a desktop? |
| 17:30.13 | latenite | bobweaver, :D |
| 17:30.19 | latenite | erawfish_, GeForce FX 5200 |
| 17:30.26 | latenite | cantido, yes (gnome) |
| 17:30.38 | cantido | latenite: ok, if you can ssh in, check your xorg log |
| 17:30.54 | jhutchins_lt | latenite: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:31.18 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt: the error persists... |
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| 17:32.23 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: That's not good. |
| 17:32.40 | latenite | cantido, jhutchins http://www.poeritz.de/paste/511 nothing special in there :/ |
| 17:33.10 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt: I have really tried differente techniques told all across the web, but no one has worked, do you want the log again? |
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| 17:33.57 | erawfish_ | latenite: you have a DVI monitor and a TV connected? |
| 17:34.12 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt: and now I can't install new packages because aptitude tries to resolve this package and I get this error all over again |
| 17:34.24 | erawfish_ | MSTRCNVS: does the file it denies access on exist, and what are its permissions? |
| 17:34.31 | latenite | erawfish_, No I have VGA-LCD display on the DVI out of my graficscard |
| 17:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | MSTRCNVS: Are you running as root or using sudo? |
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| 17:36.51 | latenite | erawfish_, The install semi-grafic did work fine with this setup. |
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| 17:41.20 | latenite | Why is my X setting up a TV-1 ? after a fresh install. http://www.poeritz.de/paste/511 |
| 17:41.45 | erawfish_ | latenite: before X/gdm starts, there is a lot of other bootup text there. does that show? |
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| 17:42.10 | latenite | erawfish_, no. |
| 17:42.27 | erawfish_ | !kms |
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| 17:42.28 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 17:42.36 | latenite | erawfish_, I cant see any daemons starting...not even much of the kernel stuff |
| 17:42.42 | erawfish_ | do add a nomodeset as suggested here |
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| 17:44.15 | MSTRCNVS | jhutchins_lt, erawfish_: sorry, my internet is a mess, I'm back |
| 17:44.17 | latenite | erawfish_, that is a line I enter after the kernel in grub? right? |
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| 17:44.36 | erawfish_ | yes a kernel parameter |
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| 17:45.07 | MSTRCNVS | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure now and It says that libpam-modules is broken or not fully installed |
| 17:45.53 | MSTRCNVS | but when I try to install it I get that error on the log I sent... |
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| 17:47.16 | UukGoblin | hi |
| 17:47.27 | UukGoblin | what's the correct way for a package to add a line or two to inittab? |
| 17:47.33 | UukGoblin | (if at all possible) |
| 17:48.05 | erawfish_ | normally a debconf script |
| 17:48.16 | UukGoblin | right, but... |
| 17:48.19 | erawfish_ | ,versions libpam |
| 17:48.20 | judd | No package named 'libpam' was found in i386. |
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| 17:48.51 | UukGoblin | imagine original inittab, then package foobar adds a line using something like echo extrastuff >> /etc/inittab in postinst... |
| 17:48.54 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: packages normally don't add anything to inittab |
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| 17:49.25 | thewanderer1 | no, really... the only thing I saw that used inittab, and it was some display manager, required you to do manual config. |
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| 17:49.33 | UukGoblin | let's say a user then modifies inittab, and how is the prerm thingy able to make sense out of it? |
| 17:49.44 | thewanderer1 | it's not, hence the manual config |
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| 17:50.04 | UukGoblin | thewanderer1, well, I'm basically writing configuration packages for inhouse software... and one piece of that software requires an inittab entry :-S But I'd like the installation to be automatic |
| 17:50.08 | jordanm | UukGoblin: one package should gernally not edit another package's configuration files. this is why configuration directories eg. /etc/logrotate.d/ exists |
| 17:50.08 | UukGoblin | mrhm |
| 17:50.24 | UukGoblin | yeah, I guess I was asking if a similar .d directory exists for inittab |
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| 17:51.25 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: can the software work without an inittab entry? inittab entries are usually only required for things that occupy virtual terminals. |
| 17:51.32 | jordanm | UukGoblin: if its in-house only, you can do so in your maintainer scripts, just don't distribute the package elsewhere |
| 17:51.45 | UukGoblin | thewanderer1, it's its way of restarting itself upon failure :-S |
| 17:51.47 | MSTRCNVS | erawfish_: and I can neither remove the libpam-modules package, it give me as an alternative to update it to the newer version, but when I try to update, same error again... |
| 17:52.00 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: that's not what inittab is for |
| 17:52.23 | UukGoblin | thewanderer1, oh? do you know a better way? |
| 17:52.33 | UukGoblin | a wrapper script I guess |
| 17:52.43 | UukGoblin | but even that can't be guaranteed not to die |
| 17:53.33 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: if a "while true; do $myapp; done;" dies then you already have bigger problems |
| 17:53.47 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: but a cleaner way to handle this is for example daemon-tools or systemd |
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| 17:54.36 | UukGoblin | the way I understand it, /anything/ could die under out-of-memory conditions |
| 17:54.36 | dsirijus | can anyone tell me the default chmod octal triplet for /etc/mysql/debian.cnf? |
| 17:54.51 | UukGoblin | thewanderer1, thanks, I'll check them out |
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| 17:55.09 | themill | dsirijus: 600 root:root |
| 17:55.51 | dsirijus | ok, can someone now tell me how to install mysql, it throws errors with aptitude |
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| 17:55.54 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: you can disable OOM killer for all but some corner cases by setting /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2... no overcommit will be allowed |
| 17:56.03 | erawfish_ | !tell dsirijus about bat |
| 17:56.10 | themill | dsirijus: seeing the real errors in a pastebin would be handy |
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| 17:56.19 | UukGoblin | thewanderer1, oh that's cool |
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| 17:56.25 | UukGoblin | didn't know that |
| 17:56.41 | dsirijus | oh, tnx, i'll start with this http://pastie.org/2789252 |
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| 17:57.20 | erawfish_ | ,versions mysql-server |
| 17:57.22 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1 |
| 17:57.49 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: see how even lenny backports comes with mysql 5.1? please use debian, not some badly made third rate packages |
| 17:57.50 | themill | dsirijus: why are you using dotdeb packages on that machine? And was this actually an upgrade from something? |
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| 17:58.14 | dsirijus | it was tutorial http://andreas-lehr.com/blog/archives/491-nginx-wordpress-php-fpm-on-debian-squeeze.html |
| 17:58.30 | dsirijus | so, just remove the dotdeb stuff, apt-get upgrade and do normal install? |
| 17:58.36 | themill | tutorials ftl |
| 17:59.05 | dsirijus | no, this wasn't an upgrade, it's new system (few hours old) |
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| 17:59.50 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: purge the dotdeb |
| 17:59.56 | dsirijus | purged it already |
| 18:00.01 | jhutchins_lt2 | dsirijus: What we wold suggest is installing from Debian Stable first, and if there is a specific need for a newer package, go to http://backports.debian.org and follow the instructions to update that package. |
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| 18:01.21 | dsirijus | erawfish_ actually, i just purged the mysql install, i don't know were other packages installed from there... how can i clean it up? |
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| 18:01.53 | UukGoblin | thewanderer1, so if I have no swap, and set overcommit_memory to 2, is the only reasonable setting for overcommit_ratio 100? |
| 18:02.13 | UukGoblin | if I understand correctly, if it's <100, it would basically mean not using all the available RAM |
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| 18:02.31 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: /var/log/dpkg.log tells you, as does /var/log/apt* |
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| 18:03.33 | dsirijus | yeah, a lot of stuff from there |
| 18:03.45 | dsirijus | heck, it might be fastest to do clean install again |
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| 18:04.31 | thewanderer1 | UukGoblin: you might want to use a value like 90 to avoid interfering with kernel services and such |
| 18:05.07 | peterrooney_ | dsirijus: apt-get --purge autoremove |
| 18:05.07 | themill | dsirijus: "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" is normally a useful command. |
| 18:05.22 | thewanderer1 | also I'm not sure how it interacts with mmap() so test before deploying :) |
| 18:05.32 | UukGoblin | sure |
| 18:05.35 | UukGoblin | thanks :-) |
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| 18:05.54 | UukGoblin | I'm probably not gonna go for that, a wrapper script seems like the best solution here, actually |
| 18:06.37 | UukGoblin | but it's interesting to know for future :-) |
| 18:06.52 | latenite | erawfish_, nomodset does not cure my (screen off) probem. What else can I do? |
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| 18:10.44 | jesselang | I have a dependency-based init script for a program I've written. It requires $mysql. In looking at the state of MySQL, it appears to be running, but netstat shows that it has not yet bound to the TCP port. So my program fails to start. |
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| 18:11.20 | jesselang | Any ideas what I might be doing wrong here, or is it an issue with the time it takes mysqld to start and bind? |
| 18:11.49 | valdyn | jesselang: mysql can but does not need to bind to a tcp port iirc |
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| 18:12.21 | jesselang | valdyn, I have it set to bind. And it does bind, just not by the time my program starts. |
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| 18:13.01 | thewanderer1 | jesselang: I see that a lot on my install where NSS depends on MySQL... your daemon will have to tolerate slight delays |
| 18:13.01 | valdyn | jesselang: your program should have some reasonable retry and timeout settings |
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| 18:13.42 | thewanderer1 | actually a long-term solution would be fixing $mysql init script so that it doesn't return until TCP works, but oh well |
| 18:13.55 | valdyn | jesselang: for all i know waiting for a tcp port is beyond the scope of insserv |
| 18:13.57 | themill | thewanderer1: it's not the init script that needs fixing, unfortunately |
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| 18:14.01 | jesselang | The bad way to deal with this would be to delay my init script. |
| 18:14.14 | thewanderer1 | themill: you mean mysql does? |
| 18:14.18 | themill | jesselang: I'd have stuck a sleep in there a while ago... |
| 18:14.19 | jesselang | The right way would be to deal with this in my program. OK. |
| 18:14.34 | themill | thewanderer1: yes. You obviously haven't cried enough over the mysql init script yet |
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| 18:15.03 | thewanderer1 | gladly not, I'm migrating everything I can to Mongo, and what I can not, I take to SQLite... :P |
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| 18:15.14 | valdyn | jesselang: maybe the best way possible, the right way would be to depend on a specific state of mysql, but thats not possible with simple script dependencies |
| 18:15.20 | jesselang | Thanks for the help, guys. |
| 18:15.31 | jesselang | valdyn, right. |
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| 18:20.58 | blink_ | I followed the instructions for 4.3.1 using http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html, but the installer tries to load the media and says it cannot be found. any ideas? |
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| 18:21.02 | bobweaver | Hi there again I have recived this error e100 d101m_ucode.bin not loaded now it askes to load from removable media yes or no ? I do not have this media can I modprob later >? |
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| 18:28.25 | AR-Brad | Hi, people |
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| 18:28.41 | latenite | Hi folks, Why is "nomodset" in grub not takinf effect? http://www.poeritz.de/paste/512 How do I disable KMS ? |
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| 18:28.58 | AR-Brad | My Debian is set up correctly, I was just wondering: How do I install drivers from CD? |
| 18:29.09 | Katty | themill: orly. |
| 18:29.12 | AR-Brad | I need a driver for my Wi-Fi card |
| 18:29.24 | skr | which card is? |
| 18:29.45 | AR-Brad | Ralink USB |
| 18:29.53 | themill | looks at Katty |
| 18:30.09 | AR-Brad | It has Linux drivers, I just have no clue how to install them |
| 18:30.10 | Katty | looks at themill |
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| 18:30.34 | Katty | themill: have fun with your ctcp? |
| 18:30.46 | Katty | themill: was it everything you'd hoped it would be? |
| 18:30.56 | themill | Katty: please try to be more signal and less noise in the channel. |
| 18:31.04 | Katty | awww ;) |
| 18:31.48 | Katty | are you having a bad monday? |
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| 18:32.41 | themill | Katty: if you want somewhere to play, please try #defocus. |
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| 18:38.03 | fcambus | Hey guys, would like to share this with you, it just got launched : |
| 18:38.04 | fcambus | Echo Linux : a social news site dedicated to Linux and related topics - http://www.echolinux.com |
| 18:38.21 | themill | fcambus: please spam elsewhere |
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| 18:39.26 | fcambus | themill: how is that spam? |
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| 18:39.50 | themill | fcambus: how is that related to debian end user support? Please don't stuff links into random channels. |
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| 18:41.07 | bobweaver | Great netcat is also curropt . can I catch a break O_O |
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| 18:44.37 | ldlework | I have just installed Debian Lenny into a VirtualBox and when I attempt to use apt-get it tells me to insert the Debian Lenny install CD media? |
| 18:44.59 | tjoy | ldlework: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove or comment the cdrom lines |
| 18:45.05 | ldlework | thanks |
| 18:45.07 | thewanderer1 | and run apt-get update afterwards |
| 18:45.30 | tjoy | it would probably help to make sure that you have an internet mirror enabled |
| 18:45.48 | ldlework | thank you. |
| 18:46.04 | erawfish_ | !tell ldlework about lenny sources.list |
| 18:46.34 | themill | hopes ldlework is using a lenny image for testing out a lenny->squeeze upgrade |
| 18:46.44 | ldlework | themill, nah, legacy crap |
| 18:47.11 | themill | :( You realise that lenny only has a 4ish months of security support left, don't you? |
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| 18:49.15 | erawfish_ | I already told him |
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| 18:51.26 | dreamer | hmm, trying to install libapache2-mod-python and python-sqlite, but both give me: ValueError: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.6. I see my python --version is 2.6.6 though |
| 18:52.12 | themill | which version of debian is this? |
| 18:52.52 | dreamer | squeeze, sorry |
| 18:53.00 | themill | and what does "ls -l /usr/bin/python" show? |
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| 18:53.27 | dreamer | heh, was just looking. goes to /etc/alternatives/python which in return points to /usr/bin/python2.6 |
| 18:53.43 | bobweaver | Hi I have recived this error e100 d101m_ucode.bin not loaded now it askes to load from removable media yes or no ? I do not have this media can I modprob later >? |
| 18:53.52 | jordanm | dreamer: what does "type python" return? |
| 18:54.00 | themill | dreamer: /usr/bin/python isn't managed by the alternatives system. It should be a link straight to python2.6 |
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| 18:54.03 | dreamer | jordanm: python is hashed (/usr/bin/python) |
| 18:54.04 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: yes. but you cannot use it for the installation then (it's not needed either) |
| 18:54.19 | dreamer | themill: apparently it is. this is installed with apt |
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| 18:54.31 | themill | dreamer: no. It's most definitely not. |
| 18:54.58 | dreamer | well this is an image from my vps-provider, but afaik I installed python later |
| 18:54.58 | bobweaver | erawfish_: it is firmware for ethernet port ? |
| 18:55.11 | erawfish_ | bobweaver: yes. you can download and install it later |
| 18:55.19 | bobweaver | erawfish_: sweet thanks |
| 18:55.47 | themill | dreamer: either they or some other admin changed that symlink. Debian certainly doesn't support python through the alternatives system as changing the default python is a long and very difficult process. Whomever changed that symlink needs cluebatting. |
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| 18:56.17 | dreamer | themill: ok, very strange. I will definitely complain about that. but is this what gives the error? |
| 18:56.26 | themill | most likely, yes |
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| 18:56.55 | tharkun | Gentlemen there was a daylight savings change this last sunday, One of my servers did not fix its $TIME in a timely fashion, Where can i start debugging? |
| 18:57.36 | dreamer | themill: ok, I'll symlink it directly to /usr/bin/python2.6 then |
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| 18:58.35 | tharkun | disregard the above CST looks too similar to CDT :( |
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| 18:59.28 | dreamer | themill: ok complain and symlink made. install finished correctly now |
| 18:59.38 | themill | excellent |
| 18:59.58 | dwfreed | tharkun: time change for america isn't until this weekend |
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| 19:01.55 | bobweaver | ok installed now for the reboot I cross my fingers and hope and pray that vga works after. is there anything else that i should do before reboot ? |
| 19:02.09 | abrotman | dwfreed: not everyone lives in america? :) |
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| 19:03.02 | stepkrav | hello. i want to mount an .iso file on a virtual drive in order to avoid burning it. Any ideas how to do that? |
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| 19:05.41 | dwfreed | abrotman: CST is usually only used in the US; I wouldn't expect Africa to use CET either |
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| 19:06.23 | bobweaver | YES !!!!!! \0/ ; never again will I try ubuntu server :>) |
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| 19:07.14 | themill | dwfreed: also in Australia. Too many places have this idea of "central", dammit. |
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| 19:08.01 | bobweaver | now just to figure out what to do with all these servers. any idea's ? |
| 19:08.18 | thewanderer1 | bobweaver: free shells for everyone? :P |
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| 19:08.39 | ix | stepkrav: try mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/cdrom (or any other mountpoint) |
| 19:08.56 | bobweaver | I have 6 of them jtlyk |
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| 19:09.54 | abrotman | dwfreed: CST is used in more than just the states .. china for example |
| 19:09.55 | ix | stepkrav: you might need to {be root,sudo the command} |
| 19:10.31 | dwfreed | beats timezone names with a stick |
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| 19:10.45 | pseubodot | just don |
| 19:10.53 | pseubodot | t beat abrotman with a stick ... he bruises easily ... :) |
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| 19:11.19 | abrotman | dwfreed: not to mention that just because two countries in the same longitude share a timezone abbreviation doesn't mean that those countries have the same DST switch dates |
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| 19:28.30 | jhutchins_lt2 | tharkun: Do you have the latest tzdata? |
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| 19:29.13 | jhutchins_lt2 | tharkun: There was a new one about a week ago. |
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| 19:40.05 | ppan | hi, what is the correct way to set the locale per user? (I've created all necessary locales using dpkg-reconfigure locales and set the global system locale to None) |
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| 19:40.56 | jordanm | ppan: just have their shell profile set and export LANG |
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| 19:42.50 | abrotman | it's copied? |
| 19:42.53 | ppan | jordanm: will this also affect gui apps (local logins with gdm)? I'm thinking more about a per-user env, possibly set by pam, so it's independent how the user logged in |
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| 19:43.39 | anAngel | Hello. Which ftp server would you suggest me as the most easier to configure, feature rich and secure? Virtual hosting without db backend such as mysql would be pretty nice. Thanks |
| 19:43.55 | g00se | What are the chances of my ath9k_htc based usb card not working properly due to old firmware in squeeze? |
| 19:43.59 | lindenle | Upgraded a few days ago and now puppetmaster will not run, says no mongrel installed but it is. Can someone help? |
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| 19:45.19 | pierrep | hi |
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| 19:45.54 | jordanm | anAngel: pretty much any ftp server you select will support virtual users and be equally not secure |
| 19:46.06 | pierrep | I installed sid 2 days ago and .... it is painfully slow with gnome |
| 19:46.36 | pierrep | I saw many topics on google but none of them really appear to have a solution |
| 19:47.01 | pierrep | so i come here, kind of last chance before going squeeze |
| 19:47.21 | pierrep | any idea? |
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| 19:50.12 | en1gma | man i been reading on netwroking stuff for the last 3-4hrs solid...ifconfig = obsolete....but what about "interaces" and "ip link" im having problems understanding when to use one or use the other...can someone explain anything about htis? |
| 19:50.30 | en1gma | i been reading but it dont really talk about when to use one over the otehr |
| 19:51.21 | jordanm | en1gma: although ifconfig is technically deprecated, it is still widely used and fine as long as you don't need a feature from iproute2 |
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| 19:51.37 | jordanm | en1gma: interfaces in debian uses net-tools (ifconfig) |
| 19:51.55 | themill | en1gma: I've never yet needed any networking feature that ifconfig couldn't do. |
| 19:52.10 | en1gma | see that is what im used to useing too...but i read it was obsolete so i figure maybe its time to move on...but i mess with dd-wrt and openwrt and they use similar config files |
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| 19:53.38 | lindenle | How can I roll back to an earlier version of a package? |
| 19:53.49 | en1gma | i trying to follow some network guides and alot used dhcp3d and it is supposed to be located in /etc/dhcp3 but that is never created i believe...should i just uninstall network manager because none of the guides i follow ever hace isc-network-manager or whatever in them |
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| 19:54.27 | jordanm | !tell lindenle about downgrade |
| 19:54.54 | lindenle | jordanm: but the new package is broken! |
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| 19:55.25 | Guest70816 | sorry, he |
| 19:55.31 | jordanm | lindenle: remove it and explictly install the old version is easiest way |
| 19:55.43 | lindenle | jordanm: ugh |
| 19:57.02 | g00se | At what point does the firmware for a wireless card get loaded - every time on ifup or once only at ifup or what..? |
| 19:57.39 | jordanm | g00se: I would guess when the kernel module is loaded |
| 19:58.04 | g00se | jordanm: Yes, that's what i thought. So every time then? |
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| 19:58.59 | themill | lindenle: "aptitude install package=version" will work if apt still knows where to get the package from. (that also assumes that file formats weren't automatically upgraded when you changed from one version to the next...) |
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| 19:59.57 | ecolitan | will lvconvert --merge revert a volume back to how it was at the time the snapshot was taken? |
| 20:01.01 | lindenle | themill: I rolled back by hand and it is working again |
| 20:01.06 | lindenle | well maybe... |
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| 20:01.46 | bindi | uh |
| 20:01.56 | bindi | i've installed apache2 and I don't have a2enmod or a2ensite, how do I fix this? |
| 20:02.20 | themill | bindi: they're in /usr/sbin |
| 20:02.29 | jordanm | ,file a2enmod |
| 20:02.33 | judd | Search for a2enmod in squeeze/i386: apache2.2-common: usr/sbin/a2enmod |
| 20:02.34 | bindi | look at that |
| 20:02.41 | bindi | that was simple |
| 20:03.21 | tomodachi | bindi: theyre probably not in your path because you're not root |
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| 20:03.42 | bindi | right |
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| 20:04.58 | pierrep | nobody about the sid slow problem? |
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| 20:10.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | !broken in sid |
| 20:10.09 | dpkg | Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>. |
| 20:10.27 | Bushmills | sid problem? hands on fixing :) |
| 20:11.20 | erawfish_ | hands on as in weld a handle on so you can throw it away farther? |
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| 20:11.40 | Bushmills | depends on your skill set |
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| 20:11.54 | pierrep | ok ok |
| 20:12.49 | blink_ | I followed the instructions for 4.3.1 using http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html, but the installer tries to load the media and says it cannot be found. any ideas? |
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| 20:18.37 | fckgw | is there a tool to meassure the maximum bandwith of my lan? |
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| 20:19.39 | Jayro | Hello, does anyone know of a DLNA server i could run on my home server that would support multiple shares? |
| 20:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | blink_: That's slightly out of date. If your stick is big enough, just use the netinstall image and cat <image>.iso > /dev/<usbdisk> |
| 20:20.06 | jhutchins_lt | fckgw: Printed on the switch. |
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| 20:21.50 | fckgw | hehe iam trying to do some debugging cause my gbit lan doesnt perform well only 50 mb/s read/write over smb |
| 20:21.55 | jhutchins_lt | Jayro: dlna or upnp |
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| 20:22.26 | jhutchins_lt | fckgw: Well, there you go, 40mb/s |
| 20:22.30 | blink_ | jhutchins_lt: ok, will do. no need for syslinux then I guess |
| 20:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | er, 50. |
| 20:22.39 | syslq | Jayro: http://ushare.geexbox.org/ |
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| 20:23.06 | fckgw | hmm @work we get about 90 mb/s, so something must be wrong |
| 20:23.06 | fckgw | ^^ |
| 20:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | blink_: It's there. What you have is just the bootloader and installer, without the installation files. Meant for installing off a local share or un-bootable disk. |
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| 20:23.25 | Jayro | syslq, i am using ushare. however i cant gert multiple shares working. do you think you could help me out? |
| 20:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | fckgw: At work you probably have commercial grade gear instead of consumer grade. |
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| 20:25.00 | syslq | Jayro: doubt it, at least not right now, I have only worked once with this about half a year ago, I know it worked fine at that time, but I dont remember any settings |
| 20:25.04 | jhutchins_lt | Jayro: I've used mediatoomb for upnp |
| 20:25.41 | blink_ | jhutchins_lt: I want to install on an embedded system, it has a SATADOM, usb, and a network connection |
| 20:25.46 | fckgw | hm at work we doent use in fact more likly consumer grade hardware |
| 20:25.47 | blink_ | does that still apply |
| 20:25.49 | fckgw | ^^ |
| 20:26.02 | drgr33n | Anyone using gnome 3 ? |
| 20:26.14 | streuner_ | no |
| 20:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | blink_: It should. |
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| 20:26.52 | syslq | drgr33n: I would if it would be "stable and in stable", what I saw I like |
| 20:27.12 | streuner_ | drgr33n: just ask |
| 20:27.24 | Jayro | jhutchins_lt, yeah i was looking at that. i think ill give it a try |
| 20:28.12 | drgr33n | Just upgraded. Its very nice except I don't know where any of the desktop settings are lol |
| 20:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 20:28.22 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 20:28.36 | jhutchins_lt | drgr33n: Note: "not yet complete". |
| 20:28.57 | jhutchins_lt | drgr33n: So no, nobody's using Gnome 3, although some people are using bits of it. |
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| 20:30.25 | drgr33n | Ahhh ok. I've just built a sid environment to try it out and I like it :D Looks like they are gearing it towards touch devices though with the layout. |
| 20:30.57 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 20:30.57 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 20:31.21 | lynks | im running a new debian squeeze, i have only installed gdm and wine, trying to fire up Steam, it seems to run fine, but the steam window is invisible (it installed perfectly and other, simple windows executables such as notepad.exe run and display fine) anyone experienced this? |
| 20:31.29 | drgr33n | Of course ;) |
| 20:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | drgr33n: Oh, you mean they're aiming gnome3 toward touch devices. |
| 20:31.36 | drgr33n | Yea |
| 20:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: Sounds about right. |
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| 20:32.59 | lynks | jhutchins: am i doing something wrong? why do you say that seems right? |
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| 20:36.19 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: That sounds like what I would expect with Steam on free wine. |
| 20:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: wine releases weekly updates, but there's usually not much difference in how they run. |
| 20:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: You should see if you can find a steam-on-linux forum and check what they recommend. |
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| 20:39.21 | D3814N | Hi. What's the safest way to upgrade from Squeeze to Whweezy? |
| 20:39.39 | lynks | jhutchins: thanks, its odd because steam is rated highly compatible on winehq |
| 20:39.54 | Bushmills | D3814N: safest way is probably to wait until wheezy is released |
| 20:39.59 | jhutchins_lt | D3814N: Don't. It's inherently unsafe. |
| 20:40.11 | D3814N | lolcat^, OK fair enough :) |
| 20:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: It can be done. Probably depends somewhat on the game. |
| 20:41.46 | D3814N | Thanks Bushmills and jhutchins |
| 20:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | D3814N: Was there something in particular you were looking for, or just newer/shineyr? |
| 20:42.37 | D3814N | just for newer packages jhujhiti |
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| 20:43.10 | Bushmills | !bpo |
| 20:43.10 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 20:43.56 | fesafder | i am having pb with dhclient.conf dhclient: doesn't send the real hostname |
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| 20:44.20 | D3814N | hmm, tnx Bushmills |
| 20:44.22 | lolcat^ | D3814N: huh? |
| 20:44.39 | D3814N | lolcat^, just a typo, sorry |
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| 20:44.48 | fesafder | i am using wheezy whereas ubunutu 11.10 is doing it |
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| 20:47.16 | fesafder | looks like the same isc-dhclient . i tried send host-name "<hostname>"; that's not working unless i hard code the real name |
| 20:47.40 | dondelelcaro | fesafder: dhcp should be providing the hostname, not the other way around |
| 20:48.19 | dondelelcaro | fesafder: but that said, if you specify hostname in /etc/network/interfaces, then by default the client script will provide it to the server |
| 20:48.22 | Bushmills | actually, client can suggest name to server. useful when adding to nameserver, for example |
| 20:48.50 | fesafder | i am using the name of the client to update the dns |
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| 20:49.09 | fesafder | ok i will try /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:50.27 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: yes, but often you just do that server-side |
| 20:51.23 | Bushmills | sometimes impractical, especially with changing clients on dynamic address assignment |
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| 20:54.11 | dondelelcaro | sure, that's why it's supported in the first place... |
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| 21:01.55 | ppan | is there a way to install all language support packages for a given language for all installed packages providing multiple language support? I'm searching for the functionality similar to Ubuntu's language-packs/-support |
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| 21:03.21 | Bushmills | task-<language> might do |
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| 21:04.40 | Bushmills | not with stable, though |
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| 21:06.06 | ppan | Bushmills: I'm on stable. Also, the task would pull in all available language packages instead of only those for matching installed packages? |
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| 21:07.00 | Bushmills | sorry, seems a bit premature, as it seems it will take a time to make it into release |
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| 21:09.20 | ppan | no problem. I just wondered "there must be a way to do this in a non-hacky way", but it seems I'm back to list installed packages, for each package search for language support package, ... bah. |
| 21:09.39 | fesafder | i tried /etc/interface but only if i hard code in dhclient send host-name "lamp-srv"; does it work |
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| 21:12.06 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:12.41 | fesafder | is there a "quick" way to compare debian build with ubuntu ? |
| 21:13.00 | jordanm | compare what? |
| 21:13.58 | fesafder | isc-dhclient is not working the same way on my debian and a ubuntu |
| 21:14.02 | dondelelcaro | ppan: you could look for -$LANG packages which have all of their dependencies installed, but it is kind of hacky |
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| 21:14.33 | dondelelcaro | fesafder: you mean dhcp3-client? |
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| 21:15.14 | fesafder | --version says the same /sbin/dhclient |
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| 21:16.29 | fesafder | i am usure the package it belongs to but i am speaking of /sbin/dhclient |
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| 21:19.39 | fesafder | in the ubunutu version putting d host-name "<hostname>"; in dhclient.conf sends the actual name to the dhcp server on debian it sendsd host-name <hostname> as the name of client |
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| 21:21.38 | synmuffin | hey all, so I have a question I've got debian setup exactly how i want it, for a server i use here at work, i've got all the pkg's installed that i use the all my startup scripts that i want etc... now what I want to do is I want to be able to create a an install of this exact version, kinda like remaster but with everything like is it right now, even users the host setup etc... how could i go |
| 21:21.38 | synmuffin | about doing this? |
| 21:21.43 | Bushmills | debian man page of dhclient.conf says nothing about <hostname> as argument for send-host-name |
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| 21:22.15 | Bushmills | send host-name, even |
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| 21:22.41 | fesafder | yes i know but that how it is in ubuntu and it works |
| 21:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | !debian clone |
| 21:22.48 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 21:23.09 | Bushmills | in general, if man page doesn't say anything about it, it's not there |
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| 21:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: Once again, Debian is not Ubuntu. |
| 21:23.27 | ppan | dondelelcaro: too bad that the language support package names do not even follow a sane naming scheme, some are "-LC", others "-CC-LC", others "-deu/eng/fra/ita/...", and some even "-german/dutch/whatever" |
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| 21:23.54 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: Debian has a manpage for dhclient.conf though. |
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| 21:24.05 | synmuffin | jhoepken but would that get all /home/* stuff and my custom scripts etc... back as well? |
| 21:24.22 | fesafder | yes but if i could take that like part back to my debian i'd be happy |
| 21:24.55 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: Usually the dhcp server is configured to set hostname and other details by MAC address and the hostname is set in /etc/hostname |
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| 21:25.38 | dondelelcaro | ppan: hrm; yeah, that's something that probably needs to be cleaned up |
| 21:26.06 | ppan | dondelelcaro: looks like a big mess... hopefully "TDeb" (just saw the DEP) will fix this in the future |
| 21:26.14 | fesafder | ok i want to keep /etc/hostname but send to dhcp ->update dns |
| 21:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: What is the dhcp server running? |
| 21:27.34 | fesafder | isc-dhcpd3 |
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| 21:27.40 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 21:27.47 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: On Debian? |
| 21:27.49 | dondelelcaro | ppan: hopefully |
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| 21:27.58 | fesafder | under debian wheezy the dns is also on that machine |
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| 21:28.11 | johnfg | I've got a problem with getting my network configured correctly since having to get a new netgear modem/router. |
| 21:28.39 | johnfg | I did have a modem (failed) and a router, and life was good. |
| 21:28.53 | fesafder | the dhcpd and dns are working fine for all my windows &ubuntu client |
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| 21:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: You can have the dhcp server update the DNS server - I've never done it, but it's possible. |
| 21:29.15 | fesafder | just some issues with debian client |
| 21:29.18 | johnfg | But I'm not getting how to set it up with an internal ip number. |
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| 21:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | fesafder: You can also run dnsmasq, wich does both DHCP and DNS and is supposedly a lot easer to get set up. |
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| 21:30.11 | _ramo1 | hi |
| 21:30.12 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Usually the router handles the internal network, and usually it offers DHCP. |
| 21:30.13 | johnfg | With my linksys router, I used 192.168.1.107, but no matter what I choose with the netgear and try to configure, it's not working right. |
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| 21:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: "not working right" doesn't tell us what it IS doing. |
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| 21:30.45 | Bushmills | johnfg: don't set up an ip address yourself. let t he router assign one. |
| 21:30.48 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: What kind of router is the new one? |
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| 21:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Did it not come with instructions? |
| 21:31.06 | _ramo1 | i would like to install php5-intl on my debian squeeze, but it prompts me to insert the disc labeled "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 ... Cd Binary-1..." how can i change this to install from a repository? |
| 21:31.15 | johnfg | jhutchins_lt, An N150, so it will work with Qwest. |
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| 21:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze sources |
| 21:31.24 | fesafder | my setup is ok on the serveur side just that debian dhclient are not sending the hostname with the DHCPREQUEST |
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| 21:32.27 | johnfg | jhutchins_lt, Not for my kind of setup: with kerberos, openldap, openafs, openvpn and need that static internal ip number. |
| 21:32.29 | fesafder | i am happy with bind9 & dhcpd under debian it is quite nice &secure |
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| 21:32.50 | johnfg | Will check back with y'all later. |
| 21:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: So set up a static address with DHCP. |
| 21:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: The new router probably uses a different class C subnet (the third number). The directions should tell you what it is. it should be configurable. |
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| 21:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | _ramo1: Add network sources. |
| 21:35.32 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze sources.list |
| 21:35.32 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 21:39.30 | _ramo1 | is there an alternative command for chmod +a on debian? |
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| 21:40.05 | C-boys | how can i uninstall an app that i just installed with "./configure" "make" and "make install" |
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| 21:41.04 | grmpy | make uninstall |
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| 21:41.42 | silver_hook | Yello. As a die-hard Gentoo user (and Slacker before that), how difficult would a switch to Debian be for me? |
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| 21:41.46 | grmpy | this requires the makefile you used to make the "make" & "make install" command |
| 21:42.04 | C-boys | "No rule to make target uninstall" |
| 21:42.33 | silver_hook | First thing that comes to mind (after "oh my $deity, you guys have way outdated packages") is the init system / runlevel scripts. |
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| 21:42.42 | grmpy | did you cd to the directory where the makefile is located? |
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| 21:43.21 | silver_hook | I've yet to find anything as pleasant as Gentoo's, but is Debian init system SysV or BSD based? |
| 21:43.28 | grmpy | silver_hook, they are not outdated, they are stable :) |
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| 21:44.35 | silver_hook | grmpy: That's the up side of it, yes ;) |
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| 21:44.39 | dondelelcaro | silver_hook: generally sysv, but we have other init systems |
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| 21:44.51 | Bushmills | silver_hook: there's file-rc which is an alternative to sysv rc dirs. your choice |
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| 21:44.55 | C-boys | grmpy: yes |
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| 21:45.17 | C-boys | grmpy: its actually CMake |
| 21:45.21 | silver_hook | dondelelcaro: Refresh my memory — SysV is the one where everything is in one bloody file or is that BSD? |
| 21:45.31 | dondelelcaro | silver_hook: that's usually rc-file |
| 21:45.40 | jhutchins_lt | silver_hook: I'm not sure if it was BSD based, but the runlevells were sort of stuck on afterwards for LSB compatibility and really aren't used. |
| 21:45.41 | dondelelcaro | silver_hook: sysv is directories with symlinks |
| 21:45.49 | silver_hook | dondelelcaro: Ah, OK. Thanks. So the SysV is the slightly more sane one :] |
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| 21:46.03 | fesafder | well thanks all i am off dhclient will wait tomorrow. bye ;) |
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| 21:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | silver_hook: The init system was used pretty extensively until dependency-based booting started coming on. |
| 21:46.22 | dondelelcaro | silver_hook: though we're actually now using dependency based boot now |
| 21:46.30 | bmoloney | Anyone else notice that using nautilus to do a large transfer to an NFS mount causes starvation for other NFS requests? Doing a copy in the terminal doesn't have that problem. |
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| 21:47.14 | silver_hook | Ah, OK, that's the newfangled systemd thingie, innit? |
| 21:47.32 | ompaul | silver_hook: if you want to try debian, do stable (squeeze) and learn the debian way of doing things |
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| 21:47.54 | silver_hook | And it sounds like there is not much work admining it. Correct? |
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| 21:48.35 | ompaul | silver_hook: it should be a lower overhead than distros where you make --fun-roll-loops or whatever |
| 21:48.59 | ompaul | silver_hook: packages make life easier |
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| 21:49.06 | silver_hook | ompaul: Actually I'm pretty comfy with Gentoo. It's just that if Debian stable serves me a lot less hassle admining, I'd consider it once Akonadi-based KDEPIM gets into it. |
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| 21:49.29 | silver_hook | ompaul: That depends ...but I guess we're passed the RPM hell ;) |
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| 21:50.23 | ompaul | silver_hook: if you stick with the debian way of doing things on debian you won't be bitten, almost with zero regard of your software needs. |
| 21:50.41 | silver_hook | Makes sense... |
| 21:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | silver_hook: Modern RPM managers are pretty much on par with aptitude, but most of them still lag on smooth release upgrades. |
| 21:51.29 | silver_hook | I guess Debian GNU/Linux and Debian GNU/Hurd can share a home partition, but it's not as simple to just boot a different kernel, right? |
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| 21:51.47 | pipeline | silver_hook: it might work but it sure as shit isn't supported |
| 21:51.54 | ompaul | silver_hook: that would be an insane system |
| 21:52.01 | pipeline | silver_hook: i.e. sharing home is easy and should work fine. sharing root might conceivably work but that's fuckin crazy |
| 21:52.02 | silver_hook | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I know. I just remember how it was cca. 10 years ago when I was asked to do a braindead idea for the local gov :P |
| 21:52.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | silver_hook: no, you an't simply use a different kernel |
| 21:52.04 | jhutchins_lt | Dependency hell is pretty much the same whether it's RPM, DEB, or TAR. |
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| 21:52.11 | silver_hook | pipeline: Thought so :] |
| 21:52.22 | somiaj | silver_hook: You'd probabaly need an api translater to use a linux binary on a hurd kernel and visa versa (think win32 vs linux and wine) |
| 21:52.30 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: well, no it really isn't. The DEB format is a hell of a lot smarter about lots of things than RPM. Very special kinds of corner cases can't be created. |
| 21:52.39 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: notably: perl dependencies, multi-arch |
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| 21:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Sorry, I've run RPM since RH2.1 back around '95 and it's no worse with dependencies than Debian. |
| 21:53.10 | silver_hook | Yup, what pipeline says ...the lack of which (and more at the time) in RPM basically made my life hell back then. |
| 21:53.34 | pipeline | somiaj: well hurd uses ELF for its native binary format... so it's very possible that the user/kernel abi is the same |
| 21:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: For some reason it seems to attract more people who don't know what they're doing. |
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| 21:53.56 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: there are particular kinds of stupidity that can't be achieved in DEB that can be in RPM. This is largely because of "features" in RPM ;) |
| 21:54.01 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: RPM also maintains better knowledge of installed packages than .deb. |
| 21:54.07 | silver_hook | jhutchins_lt: I would admit that I was one of them, so I won't be bitching about it too much. |
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| 21:54.38 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Remember that rpm the program is the equivalent of dpkg. |
| 21:54.49 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I'm talking about rpm-the-format |
| 21:55.06 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: RPM supports perl-native dependency tracking in a way that can and will bite you in the ass if there is a stupid person afoot (and there always is) |
| 21:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: I would agree that RPM can get you into trouble if you expect it to work like deb systems. |
| 21:55.27 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: RPM is also happy to allow multiple packages to own a single file, as long as it's identical in all packages. This is fine and dandy until you realize that it is the expected mechanism to support multi-arch. |
| 21:55.37 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: these are both dreadful misfeatures. |
| 21:55.47 | pipeline | won't miss either one |
| 21:55.51 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: They can be worked with and around. |
| 21:56.02 | simonlnu | one of the reasons why i hated mandrake and yellowdog (rpm and rpm format) |
| 21:56.02 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: sure, but those things just can't bite you on a debian host. Can't/won't/shan't. |
| 21:56.12 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: what "better knowledge" are you refering to? |
| 21:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Other things can/will |
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| 21:56.21 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: rpm -Vva |
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| 21:57.01 | silver_hook | So if my status quo is a LUKS-encrypted LVM (only /boot is out of it), would that pose a problem for the installation, if I wanted to wipe only the root volume on that LVM? |
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| 21:57.50 | dondelelcaro | silver_hook: no, assuming you know enough to bring up the lvm in the console if the installer doesn't do it for you automatically |
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| 21:59.09 | silver_hook | dondelelcaro: Should not a problem :) So the installer is not one of those "I'm way more smarterer then you — the user — are and know what's good for you. No, don't touch that, I won't allow it!"? |
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| 21:59.25 | silver_hook | I hate those HAL-kind of installers :P |
| 22:00.02 | dwq | What would be an easy way to get Iceweasel 7 on Debian Squeeze for PPC? I emailed Mike Hommey about Iceweasel for PPC on mozilla.debian.net because someone was interested in packaging it but didn't get a reply, and I didn't get one either, so it seems that won't happen. It's not my computer so I don't want to compile myself and keep having to do manual updates. Apt-pinning or sid? Or something I haven't thought of? |
| 22:00.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | dwq: no change rebuild the source from mozilla.d.n? |
| 22:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | Kamping_Kaiser: That sounds like a good idea |
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| 22:02.32 | dwq | Kamping_Kaiser: isn't that the same as compiling? I haven't done that in years and what about the dependencies? If I do this I'll still have to do manual updates no? |
| 22:02.52 | somiaj | dwq: backport it from testing. (/msg dpkg ssbp for a simple instructions that works in many cases) |
| 22:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:03.24 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-10~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-10; wheezy: 7.0.1-2; sid: 7.0.1-4; experimental: 8.0~b5-1 |
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| 22:03.47 | silver_hook | I take it unless you *really* want to, you don't have to edit the init scripts/files? |
| 22:04.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | dwq: its compiling jim, but not as we know it |
| 22:04.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | silver_hook: not unless you need specific changes |
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| 22:05.43 | dwq | somiaj: doesn't look very complicated, thanks. |
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| 22:07.00 | sjs205 | Hello all, I am having problems installing debian ona new laptop I have, the installer always fails on "setting up the partitioner" sticks at 50%... Is there anyway to bypass this stage? or carry this out manually? |
| 22:07.02 | skamikaze | hi all |
| 22:07.31 | skamikaze | i'm stuck at configuring a subdomain and i don't get it why - http://pastie.org/private/p0r0x2cmk3kwhgqwwceng |
| 22:08.07 | skamikaze | it works if i assign a real domain to piwik though |
| 22:08.17 | jordanm | sjs205: if you partition manually with a livecd, you would just have to select their mount points in the installer ctrl+alt+f2-5 may have dubugging output for your issue |
| 22:08.18 | silver_hook | As a rough estimate, when would you assume Akonadi-based KDEPIM (i.e. >=kontact-4.7.0) would get into Wheezy? |
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| 22:08.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions kontact |
| 22:08.40 | judd | Package: kontact on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-5; squeeze: 4:4.4.7-3; sid: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-1; wheezy: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-1 |
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| 22:08.59 | iam8up | i'm more familiar with the rhel world of distros, can anyone tell me what log_daemon_msg is? |
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| 22:09.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | if its not in sid or experimental yet no rough estimate can be forthcoming |
| 22:09.39 | sjs205 | good shout about ctr-alt jordanm, but even if i set up the partitions it will still scan the existing partitions and stall at this point... |
| 22:10.03 | jordanm | skamikaze: the ServerName also needs to match HTTP_HOST |
| 22:10.23 | jordanm | skamikaze: meaning the incoming request must be for the domain you have specified in ServerName |
| 22:10.34 | silver_hook | Thanks for the answers so far guys ...I'll think about this really hard. It *is* a completely different world from Gentoo. |
| 22:11.15 | skamikaze | jordanm: don't get it dude sry |
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| 22:11.30 | silver_hook | runs off to bake potica (local sweet bread-ish pastry filled with e.g. walnuts) |
| 22:11.33 | skamikaze | jordanm: of course i try to open http://piwik.jscouch.de |
| 22:11.34 | goose | is it ok to chmod 700 /etc/passwd? |
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| 22:12.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | you also have a server alias *.foo above your piwik.foo |
| 22:12.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | goose: no |
| 22:12.12 | jordanm | skamikaze: which doesn't resolve to an IP |
| 22:12.53 | goose | should www-data be able to cat /etc/passwd ? |
| 22:13.02 | skamikaze | i tested a lot, commenting out the server alias doesn't change a thing |
| 22:13.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | goose: everything should |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | goose: yes |
| 22:13.15 | jordanm | skamikaze: it appears you have not created an A record for that subdomain |
| 22:13.25 | goose | ok then |
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| 22:13.29 | skamikaze | omg |
| 22:13.35 | skamikaze | yep |
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| 22:13.44 | JeffM | hello, Is there a procedure for finding another debian developer who can sign/submit packages for our software if our existing maintainer is unable/unwiling to update our packages? |
| 22:13.47 | skamikaze | thanks that's it |
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| 22:14.43 | skamikaze | bows to jordanm |
| 22:14.49 | jordanm | JeffM: is the existing developer MIA? |
| 22:14.52 | skamikaze | tyvm dude |
| 22:14.59 | jordanm | skamikaze: np |
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| 22:15.25 | Frosh | Anyone know how to use ifmetric? |
| 22:15.28 | JeffM | jordanm, in some sense yes, He is around but says he dosn't have time or care enough to build a package. |
| 22:15.48 | JeffM | jordanm, but it is not like we can't get ahold of him |
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| 22:16.25 | jordanm | JeffM: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#mia-qa |
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| 22:16.44 | JeffM | jordanm, thank you |
| 22:17.18 | jordanm | JeffM: basically once he is MIA, all of his packages will go up for adoption. unless there is a serious bug (release-critical) bug in the package that needs fixing now, another developer probably wouldn't NMU it |
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| 22:17.44 | jordanm | JeffM: what is the package in question? |
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| 22:18.12 | JeffM | jordanm, BZFlag, we've been making new releases but TimRiker won't update the package, so the current version isn't compatable with all the game servers. |
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| 22:18.58 | JeffM | jordanm, and we get people asking why the new version isn't in debian/ubuntu and we have nothing we can do about it. |
| 22:19.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | JeffM: if he doesn't have time, and you are interested, perhaps you could join the games tema and maintain it with them |
| 22:19.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | JeffM: the tim would have to agree to let the games team take it over though |
| 22:19.23 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: its not under the debian-games team maint |
| 22:19.26 | jordanm | but it should be |
| 22:19.28 | JeffM | Kamping_Kaiser, how hard is it to become a registered developer as part of that? |
| 22:19.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: i know, thats why i'm suggesting it if the maintainer is willing |
| 22:19.39 | jordanm | JeffM: I would recommend sending an email to debian-games@list.debian.org |
| 22:19.40 | JeffM | Kamping_Kaiser, we may be able to convince him of that |
| 22:20.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | JeffM: if you get an alioth account and join the games team you can take part. you would need a games team member to sponsor the uploads though |
| 22:20.13 | jordanm | JeffM: erm, sorry, wrong email |
| 22:20.27 | jordanm | JeffM: debian-devel-games@lists.debian.org |
| 22:20.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | JeffM: #debian-games on irc.debian.org if you want to chat with games people on irc |
| 22:21.05 | JeffM | ok thank you both. I'll start by asking Tim if he's willing to go that route |
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| 22:21.15 | JeffM | and apreantly he is :) |
| 22:21.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | JeffM: good luck :) |
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| 22:54.20 | vpelletier | hi. is there a way to mark as many packages as possible as automatically installed in aptitude, without it removing a single one ? |
| 22:55.04 | vpelletier | as in, I would like to identify which packages are dependency leaves, so I can reduce a bit the size by eyeballing a shorter list |
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| 23:01.33 | sylar | how do I install lenny's epiphany instead of the squeeze? |
| 23:02.23 | sylar | apt-get doesn't know the version |
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| 23:04.56 | dondelelcaro | sylar: installing lenny packages on squeeze probably won't work particularly well |
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| 23:05.37 | sylar | dondelelcaro: ok, but what should I do to try? put lenny in the source list? |
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| 23:06.15 | dondelelcaro | sylar: why do you want lenny's version of epiphany? |
| 23:06.34 | sylar | dondelelcaro: because it is much better |
| 23:08.01 | dondelelcaro | sylar: I can't imagine that there's all that huge of a difference between 2.30 and 2.22, but whatever; you'll have to add lenny to your sources.list and attempt to install it. |
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| 23:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: have to pin the version and remove the new one first, right? |
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| 23:12.37 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 23:12.55 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: long term, you would, but you can install it temporarily just in one shot |
| 23:12.59 | qrq | I got question not directly related to Debian :D |
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| 23:13.28 | qrq | Do you know some Quake port that works without 3D acceleration? :) |
| 23:13.37 | lynks | could someone explain the whole configure, make, make depend, make install stuff to me? currently compiling something from source for the first time. |
| 23:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: That's right, you can specify a version with the install command. |
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| 23:14.30 | dondelelcaro | lynks: depends on what you're compiling. most everything comes with instructions, but generally speaking, you should be using the packages Debian provides isntead |
| 23:14.31 | skamikaze | lynks: http://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall |
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| 23:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: If it's a decent package it should have a README and or an INSTALL file that gives you all the necessary steps. |
| 23:15.41 | lynks | dondelelcaro: trying to get wine to work, today ive tried on stable, testing, and unstable, so right now im compiling the wine source on testing |
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| 23:15.56 | lynks | skamikaze: thanks |
| 23:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: Doesn't wine offer .deb packages? |
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| 23:16.21 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: Different packages will have different make steps. |
| 23:16.38 | skamikaze | lynks: check out playonlinux if you want to test different wine versions |
| 23:16.51 | lynks | jhutchins_lt: there are .deb packages for later versions, i got into a massive dependency mess trying to use those. |
| 23:17.06 | dondelelcaro | lynks: you should start with the wine packages we distribute, and upgrade to the newest version using uupdate |
| 23:17.10 | skamikaze | lynks: it comes with different wine prefixes so you got some adv. from using that tool |
| 23:17.15 | lynks | skamikaze: yep, currently trying to install playonlinux, thats actually why i got tangled up in compiling wine |
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| 23:17.52 | lynks | maybe i should start again back with stable, testing doesn't have a wine package right now, correct? |
| 23:17.53 | skamikaze | lynks: but playonlinux installs different wine versions for you dude |
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| 23:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | !wine-unstable |
| 23:19.09 | dpkg | Unofficial but more up-to-date builds of wine-unstable for sid at http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 23:19.10 | lynks | skamikaze: thats what i thought it did, but i downloaded the latest pol.deb and it said it couldnt resolve dependencies because wine doesnt exist in testing, so here i am compiling, its one of those times you chase a result too long down one messy route, i think i should just start again with stable |
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| 23:19.14 | sylar | dondelelcaro: it complain about depends on xulrunner-1.9 but it is not going to be installed, however I have xulrunner-1.9.1 installed and trying to install 1.9 along side triger a remove in synaptic |
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| 23:20.21 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: This is why you can't usually downgrade a package. |
| 23:20.38 | dondelelcaro | sylar: yes... this is why I told you that it wouldn't work particularly well |
| 23:20.58 | dondelelcaro | sylar: xulrunner-1.9.1 is different from xulrunner-1.9 |
| 23:21.01 | lynks | this all started because the current version of wine in the stable repos wasnt working for me, someone suggested to grab the latest version |
| 23:21.13 | sylar | jhutchins_lt: dondelelcaro: aha |
| 23:21.21 | dondelelcaro | lynks: yeah, it looks like the wine team in Debian needs some help |
| 23:21.39 | sylar | so... |
| 23:21.42 | sylar | no hope? |
| 23:21.49 | lynks | dondelelcaro: im a java developer, probably not much use :P |
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| 23:23.52 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: Well, nothing to keep you from installing Lenny, either in place of or beside squeeze. |
| 23:24.19 | dondelelcaro | except for the fact that lenny is close to being EOLed. |
| 23:24.26 | sylar | jhutchins_lt: that's a good one. |
| 23:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | It isn't EOL yet. |
| 23:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | Four months left. |
| 23:25.19 | lynks | and then the lenny repos are frozen? what happens? |
| 23:25.24 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: we haven't announced it being EOLed yet, actually... but still, there's no point in installing an oldstable release |
| 23:25.34 | dondelelcaro | lynks: we stop supporting security fixes for it |
| 23:25.44 | sylar | nothing stops me from porting old epiphany to squeeze either, would just have to spend lots of time on it I guess |
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| 23:28.43 | dondelelcaro | sylar: honestly, you're better figuring out what you don't like about it, and fixing it in the newest versions |
| 23:29.15 | sylar | dondelelcaro: new epiphany is much more CPU intensive, because they replaced gecko with something they made |
| 23:29.37 | sylar | dondelelcaro: sometime after 2.26 |
| 23:30.14 | dondelelcaro | sylar: it uses webkit, which is pretty fast |
| 23:30.27 | lynks | how does someone go about submitting something they have written themselves to the repositories? |
| 23:30.37 | sylar | dondelelcaro: I didn't complain about the speed, but about the CPU |
| 23:30.47 | dondelelcaro | sylar: uh... they're one in the same thing? |
| 23:32.22 | sylar | dondelelcaro: no - if you have one user with one browser than it would probably be meaningless, but if you have 10 users then the CPU will be affected by the new version, while with the old version it was fine |
| 23:33.05 | sylar | dondelelcaro: so webkit in squeeze is no match for gecko on lenny |
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| 23:33.50 | dondelelcaro | sylar: they're one in the same thing; the fewer instructions a browser uses, the faster it is, and the less CPU it uses |
| 23:34.14 | sylar | sad that they didn't change the browser name to epiphany-webkit |
| 23:34.31 | dondelelcaro | sylar: they called it epiphany-browser; the old one was called epiphany-gecko |
| 23:34.59 | thewanderer1 | actually, Webkit in Chromium was a lot faster for me than Gecko in Iceweasel on a Pentium 3 machine... |
| 23:35.05 | pipeline | sylar: well in this day and age, cpu is cheaper than memory, and at least you'll get some of the memory back :) |
| 23:35.13 | thewanderer1 | but then, Epiphany somehow manages to be slow |
| 23:35.46 | dondelelcaro | sylar: but anyway, if you're concerned about webkit or epiphany being slow, the best thing to do is jump in and help out; acurately determining why they're slow is your best first step |
| 23:35.56 | sylar | dondelelcaro: the old one was also epiphany-browser http://packages.debian.org/lenny/epiphany-browser |
| 23:36.14 | dondelelcaro | sylar: that's a dummy package which pulled in epiphany-gecko |
| 23:36.34 | dondelelcaro | "This dummy package installs Epiphany with the Gecko backend by default. " |
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| 23:39.01 | sylar | dondelelcaro: waht is the epiphany-gecko package in squeeze? what does this mean "This package has been made obsolete by epiphany-browser 2.28.0, and is safe to remove"? |
| 23:39.22 | sylar | Dummy, transitional package |
| 23:39.28 | sylar | ? |
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| 23:42.44 | sylar | well, no gecko in epiphany in squeeze, that's what I understand from it |
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| 23:45.09 | sylar | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/epiphany-gecko |
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| 23:45.34 | _0bitcount | Why is no |
| 23:45.43 | _0bitcount | wine package in testing? |
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| 23:47.52 | popkill | _0bitcount: http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wine.html |
| 23:48.55 | dondelelcaro | _0bitcount: because of #623923 |
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| 23:49.29 | CVirus | What's the point of packaging firefox plugins if I can easily fetch them from their website ? |
| 23:50.07 | _0bitcount | popkill, dondelelcaro , thank you. |
| 23:50.11 | Dulak | Do that to 1000 machines and ask again. |
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| 23:50.34 | themill | CVirus: you can install them system wide for all users across multiple systems. You can also get an exact version that actually works with the browser you have installed. |
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| 23:52.07 | CVirus | themill: ah ok |
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| 23:52.44 | skilz | Is it possible to specify the window size of urxvt in .Xdefaults? Each time I open urxvt, the window size is too big and i have to resize. |
| 23:52.56 | filzon | hello, not directly a debian specific question, but as debian people tend to be smart, i just dare to ask it: currently i'm using Openbox as my window manager, but i'm not completely satisfied with it's Alt+Tab like window switcher, i would rather prefer to have a list of all windows indexed with numbers displayed while switching by just pressing the according number - is there someting like a 'windows switcher' for diverse window managers? |
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| 23:54.22 | popkill | skilz: URxvt.geometry: 80x24 (in ~/.Xdefaults) |
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| 23:54.50 | skilz | popkill: Thanks mate |
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