| 00:01.04 | sylar | why is wine so old? |
| 00:01.21 | thewanderer1 | they say old wine is good wine... |
| 00:01.22 | sylar | I see in the DB tests from 2008 with version 1.0 |
| 00:01.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | it needs to mature |
| 00:02.03 | themill | sylar: [23:48] <dondelelcaro> _0bitcount: because of [ http://bugs.debian.org/623923 ] #623923 |
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| 00:02.48 | sylar | themill: wasn't that 1.0 ? |
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| 00:06.14 | sylar | I see in the app DB that there was at Nov 29 2010 already wine version 1.3.8 |
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| 00:06.54 | themill | I'm not sure what you want to know other than newer wine doesn't compile... |
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| 00:10.52 | ham5 | i build the new wine every two weeks when it comes out, havent had problems lately with it.. |
| 00:12.11 | sylar | ham5: how do u install it? |
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| 00:12.20 | ham5 | dpkg |
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| 00:12.28 | themill | ham5: I take it that you accept their binary-only hacked around gecko-in-an-msi then as part of the build. |
| 00:13.17 | ham5 | had gecko for a long time im not sure how it all works, im just sayin, it builds fine for me. |
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| 00:14.37 | themill | ham5: downloading a precompiled gecko as part of the build process is obviously something debian isn't going to do, though, is it? |
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| 00:14.59 | ham5 | ah, nope, probly not |
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| 00:19.24 | steph7 | someone has a d-link dwlG122 rev c1 usb wiki adapter? |
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| 00:19.51 | lynks | ham5: do you run stable? |
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| 00:20.10 | steph7 | someone has a d-link dwlG122 rev c1 usb wiki adapter? |
| 00:20.15 | ham5 | nope |
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| 00:20.54 | themill | dpkg: tell steph7 about dwlG122 |
| 00:21.06 | Dulak | steph7: ask the next question, as if someone said yes |
| 00:21.14 | ham5 | lol |
| 00:21.51 | steph7 | Dulak, the next question is rt73.bin doesn't work properly, why? |
| 00:22.12 | steph7 | Dulak, first question better :-) |
| 00:22.25 | lynks | ham5: earlier today i tried to build the latest wine onto testing, i had so many broken deps. adding unstable/experimental repos didnt seem to help |
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| 00:23.05 | steph7 | dmesg says requesting firmware, although it is loaded in lib/firmware.... |
| 00:23.17 | ham5 | why would you add unstable repos if your on testing, add testing libs ;\ |
| 00:24.13 | Dulak | steph7: did you compile the driver yourself? is that rev using the an rt2500 chip or what? |
| 00:24.21 | lynks | ham5: the wine installer was asking for versions not present in testing, i got into a mess as i usually do when i try to mess with packages |
| 00:24.48 | Dulak | steph7: as a last resort there is always ndiswrapper to use the windows driver |
| 00:24.56 | zoredache | Any suggestions on how to install exim4. I do 'apt-get install exim4' and I get '...apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details.' I have added 'Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details.' to a file in apt.conf.d |
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| 00:25.34 | themill | zoredache: can you explain what you did to get apt into that state? (especially given that exim4 is installed by default) |
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| 00:26.06 | Dulak | zoredache: that means type 'man 5 apt.conf' and read the section about APT::Immediate-Configure |
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| 00:26.19 | themill | surprisingly unhelpful |
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| 00:26.34 | zoredache | Dulak: I have read that section, you'll note I added the suggested config. The section is as clear as mud |
| 00:26.42 | pgentoo | hey guys, does debian host a xen domU download? I'm looking at trying it on on Xen, but dind't want to go through the whole install process |
| 00:26.45 | zoredache | whoever wrote it must have been on drugs |
| 00:27.04 | zoredache | themill: upgraded from lenny to squeeze, had ssmtp installed, want to install exim4 |
| 00:27.09 | Dulak | zoredache: I misunderstood what you said, I thought you added that string to a config file |
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| 00:27.49 | themill | zoredache: can you pastebin the entire output? Also "/msg dpkg bat" and pastebin some of the suggested information |
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| 00:29.26 | steph7 | Dulak, wiki suggest to use firmware-ralink and I do it, but I can't scan wireless |
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| 00:30.02 | zoredache | themill: http://pastebin.com/mwvmWbGt |
| 00:32.38 | Dulak | steph7: you sure it's an rt72 and not rt73? google searches suggest you might not be using the right firmware |
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| 00:33.34 | themill | steph7: there are 7 different chips that match that description -- check what dpkg said first. |
| 00:34.10 | Dulak | steph7: lsusb shows the device? |
| 00:35.37 | ripero | I am having trouble installing the netinst image from a usb pendrive, may help be found here? |
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| 00:36.54 | themill | zoredache: and I take it that using aptitude instead of apt-get doesn't help and neither does "apt-get -o 'APT::Immediate-Configure=false' install exim4"? |
| 00:37.22 | steph7 | Dulak, rt73usb is the module, I used this one http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ralink |
| 00:37.59 | zoredache | themill: aptitude gives the sames results, give me a second and I'll try again with the option on the command line, instead of in a configuration file. |
| 00:38.00 | steph7 | themill, dlink dwlg122 rev c1, chipset 07d1:3c03 |
| 00:39.07 | zoredache | themill: same results passing the Immediate-configure=false from the command line. |
| 00:39.50 | steph7 | Dulak, yes, lsusb shows the device: 07d1:3c03 |
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| 00:40.32 | themill | zoredache: you could try manually installing the packages with dpkg -i on the command line (they will be downloaded into /var/cache/apt/archives). You may need to remove ssmtp first to do that. |
| 00:42.15 | Dulak | steph7: lsmod shows rt73 loaded? |
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| 00:43.51 | steph7 | shows rt73usb |
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| 00:44.07 | steph7 | Dulak, shows rt73usb |
| 00:44.30 | Dulak | steph7: you have a wlan0 device in ifconfig output? |
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| 00:45.01 | steph7 | Dulak, yesss |
| 00:45.17 | steph7 | Dulak, in iwconfig |
| 00:45.23 | Dulak | steph7: and what's the error when you try to scan? |
| 00:45.47 | lynks | ripero: what problems are you having? |
| 00:46.00 | steph7 | Dulak, the classical "interface does not support scanning" |
| 00:46.22 | steph7 | Dulak, some times yes, some times not... |
| 00:46.38 | ripero | I am getting a message saying that there is no operating system in the pendrive |
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| 00:47.04 | ripero | lynks: I thought that dd-ing the iso to the usb drive was enough |
| 00:47.34 | Dulak | steph7: yeah it's acting like it's the wrong firmware, but it's loading it which is weird... You might try getting the newest driver from ralink's site and compiling it yourself, or alternately ndiswrapper with the windows driver |
| 00:47.34 | steph7 | Dulak, so strange...driver and module are loaded, also firmware, but dmesg says "requisting rt73.bin".. |
| 00:48.14 | steph7 | Dulak, mm...I'll try |
| 00:48.43 | steph7 | Dulak, ndiswrapper..ever :-)) |
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| 00:48.59 | Dulak | I have an old linksys wireless I use ndiswrapper on, it's great if you can't get a native driver working. |
| 00:49.20 | en1gmaa | if i remove the networkmanager applet what is the command to restart the network in a terminal |
| 00:49.22 | steph7 | Dulak, ok..I'm kiddin |
| 00:49.35 | en1gmaa | to restart networking not nm-applet |
| 00:49.40 | steph7 | en1gmaa, sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 00:49.50 | en1gmaa | nope |
| 00:49.54 | Dulak | I myself would try compiling the newest driver before going to ndiswrapper but that's me |
| 00:50.04 | en1gmaa | the exact command to restart it just like nm does |
| 00:50.29 | themill | en1gmaa: n-m doesn't issue one magic command. There's also no such thing as "restarting networking". |
| 00:50.58 | Dulak | If you turn off network manager you have to put the configs into /etc/network/interfaces for them to be configured on boot |
| 00:51.03 | en1gmaa | ok what the applet does when we right click it and select "enable networking" and "enable wireless" |
| 00:51.10 | steph7 | en1gmaa, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:51.20 | en1gmaa | ahhh ok...thanks |
| 00:51.29 | themill | steph7: that's not what en1gmaa needs at all. |
| 00:51.38 | en1gmaa | that not it? carp |
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| 00:52.02 | en1gmaa | crap* |
| 00:52.08 | steph7 | themill, and what he needs? |
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| 00:52.10 | themill | en1gmaa: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 00:52.16 | en1gmaa | not just wifi |
| 00:52.33 | themill | en1gmaa: how about you actually tell us what you do want rather than all the things that you don't. |
| 00:52.41 | Dulak | Without network manager he needs to configure from /etc/network/interfaces old school style |
| 00:52.43 | en1gmaa | sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart <<< thats the command i been trying to sue |
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| 00:53.30 | steph7 | th |
| 00:53.39 | en1gmaa | themill what i would like to do is be able to follow a guide that 99% use /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file but i dont know how to do it |
| 00:53.41 | steph7 | en1gmaa, I don't a |
| 00:53.52 | en1gmaa | so what im trying to do if figure out how the whole system works |
| 00:54.07 | steph7 | ops |
| 00:54.33 | acu | I want to virtualize a physical server running Windows 2003 and run it on a KVM - can anyone give me some hints of how to do that ? |
| 00:54.38 | themill | en1gmaa: why would have had a dhcp server and network-manager at the same time? You need to stop following guides. |
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| 00:55.10 | en1gmaa | we wouldnt...not one guide mentions network-manager "except" to disable |
| 00:55.22 | en1gmaa | then the guides cont with edit /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 00:55.38 | en1gmaa | which i dont have any even after i install the dhcp3 client, server, common |
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| 00:55.46 | Dulak | that would apply if you wanted to run a dhcp server |
| 00:55.49 | themill | en1gmaa: no-one has the first clue what you're trying to achieve |
| 00:55.55 | steph7 | en1gmaa, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf is relative a dhcp server..not a client |
| 00:56.05 | en1gmaa | there is no dir /etc/dhcp3 |
| 00:56.23 | themill | en1gmaa: stop. Think. Try actually explaining what it is you're trying to do. |
| 00:56.24 | Dulak | because you aren't running a dhcp server |
| 00:56.56 | DragonMaster | i was running squeeze, ati drivers and compiz worked, upgraded harddrive, and installed wheezy, cant remember what I did to get compiz working |
| 00:57.00 | en1gmaa | when i come across 1000s of guides that start off by saying "edit the /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file" what am i supposed to do |
| 00:57.25 | themill | en1gmaa: you should stop reading random guides and read the actual documentation |
| 00:57.32 | Dulak | en1gmaa: first go the other direction, what is the end result you are hoping for? |
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| 00:57.48 | en1gmaa | if i new the end result i wouldnt need the guide |
| 00:57.53 | en1gmaa | im reading the guides to learn |
| 00:57.59 | themill | gives up |
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| 00:58.05 | Dulak | Learn what? |
| 00:58.19 | steph7 | en1gmaa, it's too enigmatic for me |
| 00:58.21 | Dulak | Learn how to configure the network without network manager? |
| 00:58.31 | en1gmaa | all i wanted to know is if i disable the nm applet...how to enable and disable wireless and wired like it does |
| 00:58.32 | Dulak | Learn how network manager works? |
| 00:58.36 | en1gmaa | its only an applet right? |
| 00:58.44 | en1gmaa | thats all i asked |
| 00:58.46 | Dulak | It's a daemon and an applet |
| 00:59.17 | en1gmaa | the nm applet works pretty good...but i was going to learn what it actually does so i can edit the files that it uses |
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| 00:59.18 | steph7 | en1gmaa, you can stop and restart your interfaces using ifconfig..see man ifconfig |
| 00:59.31 | Dulak | While it's running it handles the network, if it's not running the network is configured through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:59.43 | en1gmaa | ok i never asked how to restart my ifaces...i can give you 4 different commands i have in a txt file i created |
| 00:59.51 | en1gmaa | i asked about the nm-applet |
| 00:59.57 | Dulak | Or manually with ifconfig as themill and steph are saying |
| 01:00.14 | en1gmaa | im not asking how to restart my interfaces |
| 01:00.17 | themill | [00:49] <en1gmaa> if i remove the networkmanager applet what is the command to restart the network in a terminal |
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| 01:00.37 | en1gmaa | the very next line cleared it up |
| 01:01.06 | themill | en1gmaa: there's no such thing as "restart networking". Try explaining what you actually want to do. |
| 01:01.09 | en1gmaa | im asking about nm-applet...what command does it invoke when i click enable/disable networking and same for wireless |
| 01:01.09 | Dulak | en1gmaa: network manager doesn't have a config file you edit, it's a gui program, you edit the config through the menus and buttons. |
| 01:01.24 | en1gmaa | the applet is...this top secret? |
| 01:01.41 | themill | en1gmaa: there is no single command. How many times do we have to tell you? |
| 01:01.44 | thewanderer1 | en1gmaa: nm-applet does not invoke any command. it communicates over D-Bus with the network-manager daemon. |
| 01:01.58 | en1gmaa | hmm |
| 01:01.58 | Dulak | en1gmaa: it's not meant to have a hand edited config, it's meant to give you menus and buttons so you don't have to run commands |
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| 01:02.24 | DragonMaster | i was running squeeze, ati drivers and compiz worked, upgraded harddrive, and installed wheezy, cant remember what I did to get compiz working |
| 01:02.29 | Dulak | If you want a hand-edited config, you turn off network manager and use /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 01:02.29 | en1gmaa | it does something so i dont have to..normally with any normal applet it just does a set of commans |
| 01:02.50 | steph7 | ok, he en1gmaa wants something similar network service start - stop, I don't remeber the exact commands |
| 01:02.54 | ham5 | form that into a question dragonmaster. ask something smart dont tell us a cool story bro |
| 01:03.09 | en1gmaa | sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart that is close i think |
| 01:03.18 | Dulak | Ok I'm don. |
| 01:03.22 | Dulak | done even. |
| 01:03.40 | steph7 | en1gmaa, this one is relative a dhcp server not a client... |
| 01:03.46 | themill | en1gmaa: network manager isn't going to have anything to do with a dhcp server. |
| 01:03.49 | Dulak | en1gmaa: I suggest you read more and do less random commands until you know more. |
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| 01:04.04 | themill | But we've been around that block already, and I gave up already. |
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| 01:04.35 | en1gmaa | i suggest linux clean up their mess i have 'ifup', 'ifconfig' and 'ip link' and they all do the same crap in a diff way |
| 01:04.51 | ham5 | bad troll is bad |
| 01:05.04 | en1gmaa | your telling me to read and i have the problem is where to begin |
| 01:05.07 | themill | en1gmaa: that you can't understand them doesn't make them a mess. Please go and do some more reading of documentation (not tutorials) |
| 01:05.15 | en1gmaa | i do understand |
| 01:05.19 | en1gmaa | i hate ISC |
| 01:05.20 | DragonMaster | How can I get compiz back into a working state with the ati proprietary drivers in wheezy? I had them working in squeeze, just dont remember how I did it. I have done plenty of searching on google |
| 01:05.22 | en1gmaa | i want dhcp3d |
| 01:05.24 | en1gmaa | where is |
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| 01:05.48 | steph7 | en1gmaa, try sudo /etc/init.d/networking start, to start and sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop to stop... |
| 01:05.56 | steph7 | is a troll? |
| 01:05.58 | themill | en1gmaa: please take a break from #debian and use that time to formulate a sensible question. |
| 01:05.59 | lynks | when i try to install steam in playonlinux, i get a whole bunch of 'no such file or directory' errors, is there some kind of environment var i need to set? |
| 01:06.11 | Dulak | Yeah it smells like one. |
| 01:07.32 | steph7 | Dulak, lol |
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| 01:08.18 | steph7 | en1gmaa, check wiki.debian.org |
| 01:09.20 | ham5 | lynks thats just a frontend for wine, read wines appdb on steam? |
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| 01:11.09 | ham5 | pastebin any/all errors yet dragonmaster? how are we to know what 'state' your in now.. |
| 01:11.45 | DragonMaster | @ham5 what terminal output do you want to see? |
| 01:11.57 | ham5 | i dont |
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| 01:19.23 | DragonMaster | does anyone have an ati card with compiz working? trying to sort out my problem and need some reference that works |
| 01:20.00 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 01:20.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 01:21.03 | DragonMaster | ham5 your not being any help to me solving my problem, i wanted to ask some questions so I can sort out my problem... |
| 01:21.28 | ham5 | and yet you still havent |
| 01:21.53 | zoredache | DragonMaster: the way you have asked your question is very unlikely to result in you getting help in a busy chat room. |
| 01:21.55 | DragonMaster | yes, I have, and you seem to be unwilling to help |
| 01:22.03 | Dulak | you basically said 'hey this new car I have doesn't work like the old one, fix it' a couple different ways. How do you think the mechanic reacts? |
| 01:22.45 | Dulak | Apparently he rage quits... |
| 01:23.02 | ham5 | dosent hurt my feelings |
| 01:23.56 | lynks | is now curious about popcon |
| 01:24.09 | Dulak | Definitely not the kind of person that should be running wheezy. |
| 01:24.19 | ham5 | dpkg: tell lynks about popcon |
| 01:24.49 | lynks | now i have to remember how to switch pages in pork, gee thanks :P |
| 01:25.02 | ham5 | ;) |
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| 01:26.04 | lynks_ | yeah that wasnt it |
| 01:29.20 | lynks | i cant tell you how confused i just got |
| 01:29.59 | zoredache | lynks: just make up an arbitrary number. Say something like I got PI confused. |
| 01:30.39 | lynks | thats pretty confused |
| 01:30.55 | themill | zoredache: did you get exim4 sorted? |
| 01:31.56 | zoredache | sorted enough for the night. I got it working enough. I have realized I am probably going to have to do a reinstall anyway. I forgot to check disk space before I started upgrading the VM. I only have 300MB free. |
| 01:32.43 | steph7 | Dulak, ralink website support needs login and mail t download...:-(( |
| 01:32.47 | steph7 | *to |
| 01:32.52 | themill | zoredache: good start... VM disks can often be expanded. Also "apt-get clean", clear logs, uninstall old kernels and "aptitude search ~o". |
| 01:33.34 | Dulak | steph7: that sucks, glad I don't have any ralink chips |
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| 01:34.08 | zoredache | themill: I know, thanks. |
| 01:35.59 | steph7 | Dulak, good for you |
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| 01:40.23 | lynks | why is the gnome desktop environment a dependancy for gdm? what if i just want gdm and fluxbox? |
| 01:42.00 | lynks | or if i wanted to be a massive pervert and run kde on gdm D: |
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| 01:43.02 | thewanderer1 | lynks: where does it say that GNOME is a dependency for GDM? |
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| 01:43.32 | lynks | i may be misunderstanding, but it always installs gnome when i do an; apt-get install gdm |
| 01:43.44 | aypea[2] | probably in there via recommends |
| 01:43.52 | aypea[2] | you can turn off autorecommends |
| 01:44.06 | thewanderer1 | lynks: apt-cache show gdm; read the Depends line - it allows a few alternatives so you can install any of the few mentioned |
| 01:44.08 | aypea[2] | kills it all the time. doesn't need to install the entire damned repo |
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| 01:44.44 | thewanderer1 | lynks: so install fluxbox first, then gdm... or give them to apt-get in the same command |
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| 01:45.57 | lynks | ahh thanks, i got it |
| 01:47.13 | lynks | i often wonder if what i do, what software i use, is in any way mainstream, i tend to just stumble over things. fluxbox is an example, does anyone else use it? |
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| 01:49.29 | thewanderer1 | lynks: you're user number one on the entire planet, nobody even tested that before :P (no, seriously, it's fairly popular) |
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| 01:56.16 | steph7 | I don't use gdm on fluxbox.. |
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| 02:07.27 | anonymous9339 | Hi! I want to let a friend use my Debian machine as a SOCK5 proxy...what's the easiest way of doing that? |
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| 02:08.44 | ham5 | no you dont, and use google, we cant be bothered with that nonsence |
| 02:08.53 | henchman24 | ssh -D ? |
| 02:09.02 | henchman24 | privoxy |
| 02:09.06 | henchman24 | etc etc |
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| 02:09.15 | henchman24 | more than one way to proxy traffic |
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| 02:09.56 | henchman24 | http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/ssh-tunnel.html |
| 02:09.57 | owner | Hello programs |
| 02:09.57 | anonymous9339 | henchman24: Ah, I tried the ssh -D thing (using this here http://www.catonmat.net/blog/linux-socks5-proxy/) and it didn't work at all, so I assumed I was misreading it or something |
| 02:10.12 | henchman24 | ssh -f user@personal-server.com -L 2000:personal-server.com:25 -N |
| 02:10.17 | owner | Can anyone here tell me how to compile source code into a .deb package for Debian? |
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| 02:10.43 | henchman24 | http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/configuration.html |
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| 02:11.05 | henchman24 | pretty sure privoxy has auth configuration directives |
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| 02:11.29 | henchman24 | hm honestly dunno but search around there are many options depending on your speciffic needs |
| 02:11.35 | owner | does anyone know how to make .deb packages |
| 02:11.53 | ham5 | owner; checkinstall |
| 02:12.03 | owner | ham5 what does that mean? |
| 02:12.14 | henchman24 | nah i think there are more debian speciffic ways to packaging |
| 02:12.16 | ham5 | its an app, it makes .deb packages. |
| 02:12.17 | henchman24 | like using deb-src |
| 02:12.23 | owner | awesome |
| 02:12.30 | henchman24 | checkinstall screws up often too |
| 02:13.06 | henchman24 | http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 02:15.44 | owner | ham5 thanks, any info on how to create a repository once we compile our packages? |
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| 02:16.27 | ham5 | wiki it up, thats a little more work :) |
| 02:17.04 | owner | ham5 want to know what I'm doing? I'm making a deb based distribution that actually has packages like Firefox |
| 02:17.26 | ham5 | nope sure dont, build my own firefox thanks |
| 02:17.28 | owner | Similar to what Mint did but better |
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| 02:17.43 | owner | ham5 good for you |
| 02:17.58 | owner | ham5 did you ever figure out how to get the real flash installed and Java (JRE) |
| 02:18.28 | ham5 | yup |
| 02:18.52 | owner | sweet, want to give me a hint? |
| 02:19.08 | Dewi | owner: how will you do that without breaching the firefox trademark? |
| 02:19.22 | ham5 | download it |
| 02:19.49 | owner | ham5, I did download it, and tried installing it but it broke openjdk, and flash and java were a bust as well |
| 02:20.07 | OldParr | make-googleearth-package does not runs as root, can i run it as normal user? |
| 02:20.50 | owner | ham5 if you or someone else has spare time, can you tell me how you got JRE installed and working right on Debian? |
| 02:20.58 | owner | maybe a pastebin |
| 02:21.30 | owner | I have a license to redistribute Java and Flash |
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| 02:22.08 | boudiccas | OldParr; try it and see |
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| 02:22.46 | owner | It's nice that the Debian community is still competent. |
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| 02:24.10 | owner | Have had issues finding anyone who knows much of anything in the Ubuntu community |
| 02:24.33 | owner | JULinux is switching to Debian for stability |
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| 02:25.43 | owner | I just got: received a CTCP VERSION from ham5 , sorry I'm an IRC noob, I just use it when I need to. |
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| 02:29.17 | OldParr | boudiccas: i thought that for installing anything it was neccesary to be superuser |
| 02:29.59 | OldParr | is giving thousands of errors |
| 02:30.04 | boudiccas | OldParr; but you were asking about running it as normal user |
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| 02:31.00 | owner | So no one can tell me how to install JRE ? |
| 02:33.12 | boudiccas | OldParr; and its not quite true, you can install as 'sudo' |
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| 02:35.04 | skrull | owner apt-get install openjdk |
| 02:35.18 | owner | openjdk breaks |
| 02:35.22 | owner | doesn't work right |
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| 02:52.13 | ripero | is there any way to run the debian installer from debian? |
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| 02:54.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | !wayttd ripero |
| 02:54.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ripero? |
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| 02:56.24 | ripero | Kamping_Kaiser: I tried to netinst from USB, but my mobo needed a non-free driver, so I could only install a very limited base system, then dpkg-ed the .deb with the drivers (downloaded from another pc), but now I still have a very incomplete system... |
| 02:56.47 | ripero | the non-free driver was needed for the ethernet card |
| 02:57.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | have you tried using a full installer from a usb stick? |
| 02:58.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | failling that, i beleive there are images with non-free firmware included |
| 02:58.38 | ripero | that was one of the options, I was looking for the contents of the images |
| 02:59.01 | ripero | the other was magically being able to somewhat run the installer again |
| 02:59.29 | ripero | *somehow |
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| 03:00.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can run the installer from debian-live cds, so it must be possible; i'd not recommend it though |
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| 03:08.03 | spersaud_ | how do I get teh firmware for iwlwifi 6000 ? |
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| 03:16.02 | un214 | Kamping_Kaiseo: the way to fix it is "apt-get install gnome-desktop" or "apt-get install kde-desktop" |
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| 03:17.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, wut? |
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| 03:39.25 | holond | trying to access a livestream site which accepts only window. i use wine but iexplore is lousy. any site to install a better ie? |
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| 03:39.50 | ham5 | a better ie? are you kidding me... |
| 03:39.59 | ham5 | go troll some where else kid |
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| 03:41.16 | holond | there are many sites which require window. i install firefox fr wine but can only run a safe-mode version. |
| 03:41.45 | holond | ham5: U KNOW NUTS. |
| 03:41.48 | Rusty1 | there is a #winehq channel. holond , ask there |
| 03:42.07 | holond | thks. |
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| 03:44.56 | holond | is wine better than dual-boot? |
| 03:45.07 | cardamon | Okay, I've screwed up this drive throroughly and need to wipe the file systeems and partition table. |
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| 03:45.22 | cardamon | I'm in the Debian Live Rescue CD. |
| 03:45.42 | cardamon | Just fdisk d everything? |
| 03:46.00 | cardamon | holond: Pros/Cons. |
| 03:46.16 | cardamon | Pros: You don't have to reboot to switch. |
| 03:46.24 | cardamon | Cons: It may not work. |
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| 03:47.40 | holond | most big apps don't work. |
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| 03:49.22 | spersaud | my sound isnt working how do I fix it |
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| 03:51.33 | spersaud | anyone want to video chat ? I need to test out my camera .. |
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| 03:52.58 | spersaud | how do I make iceweasel my default browser ? |
| 03:54.02 | ham5 | in the settings |
| 03:54.25 | spersaud | ham5: where ? |
| 03:54.33 | spersaud | system backends or something like that ? |
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| 03:54.46 | ham5 | advanced> general tab |
| 03:54.48 | ham5 | click check now |
| 03:55.50 | cardamon | spersaud. Just use Cheese |
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| 03:59.36 | spersaud | cardamon: I want to talk to someone Im lonely will you be my friend :) |
| 03:59.45 | spersaud | my sound doesnt work .. this is a toshiba tecra |
| 04:00.05 | delimax | it's midnight gais. |
| 04:00.20 | ham5 | happy november |
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| 04:01.09 | spersaud | hoo hoo hoo |
| 04:01.14 | spersaud | you guys need to bang your wives |
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| 04:01.33 | in2tactics | maybe they did already... besides that is a bit offtopic |
| 04:01.35 | delimax | spersaud: >implying i'm married |
| 04:01.36 | spersaud | im single .. many of you must have wives |
| 04:01.53 | LoRez | spersaud: you need to not troll. |
| 04:02.19 | spersaud | LoRez: im trying to make fun of you geeks, you call that trolling ? |
| 04:02.27 | spersaud | I call that being alive :) |
| 04:02.38 | LoRez | baiting people is trolling, yes. |
| 04:02.49 | spersaud | anyway LoRez how do I fix my sound, I am sure you know |
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| 04:12.00 | spersaud | hello |
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| 04:12.18 | skycvnts | anyone know of a nice ping grapher applet, i just want to look at the ping to a host over time, don't want to install and configure something like mrtg, since i could probably just matplotlib it up with python |
| 04:12.18 | spersaud | so how do I figure out why my sound is not working ? |
| 04:12.28 | skycvnts | i just want to see how jacked the packet time is to my dns server |
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| 04:13.56 | ham5 | gnome-nettool ? |
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| 04:18.04 | spersaud | aplay Noise.wav works for root but not for me |
| 04:18.22 | cardamon | spersaud check your groups |
| 04:18.57 | spersaud | cardamon: it says Im already a member of the audio group |
| 04:19.26 | spersaud | groups shows audio ........... |
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| 04:21.49 | cardamon | I don't know then. Maybe there's a pulseaudio group too or something. |
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| 04:22.21 | spersaud | cardamon: i think its working |
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| 04:23.04 | spersaud | cardamon: strange terminal bell doesnt work :) |
| 04:23.11 | spersaud | oh well thats good |
| 04:23.39 | cardamon | Terminal bell...you mean the wire I cut. |
| 04:23.39 | cardamon | >_> |
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| 04:25.50 | cardamon | Wooh, debian installed...but not GUI. |
| 04:26.13 | cardamon | I need a login manager first I guess...GDM or slim or something. |
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| 04:36.41 | cardamon | Why does installing ANYTHING X on my mostly blank system grab every single xserver-xorrg-video-*? |
| 04:36.54 | ham5 | recommends |
| 04:37.03 | ham5 | meta packages |
| 04:37.40 | aypea[2] | turn atuorecommends off. |
| 04:38.07 | cardamon | aypea[2], Where's that at? |
| 04:38.45 | aypea[2] | it's an apt config option |
| 04:39.54 | ham5 | or synaptic preferance, depending on what you use |
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| 04:40.21 | cardamon | I'm stuck in console land. |
| 04:40.48 | cardamon | I don't have X or a WM or a DM set yet. |
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| 04:41.29 | hellop | anyone know of a channel here where I can discuss flash programming? |
| 04:41.41 | hellop | I tried flash, adobe.. |
| 04:41.48 | cardamon | And apt-get install gdm wants things like xserver-xorg-video-ati when I don't even have an ATI anything. |
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| 04:42.57 | hellop | nevermind it's ##flash |
| 04:44.35 | aypea[2] | card: put in APT::Install-Recommends "false"; in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 04:45.20 | aypea[2] | would add APT::Install-Suggests "false"; in case someone is dropped on their head and thinks that that is a good idea too. |
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| 04:46.32 | somiaj | cardamon: the default xorg meta package depends on xserver-xorg-video-all (Which gives you every video driver). You have to be a little more selective to install just the one you need. |
| 04:46.41 | cardamon | conf.d files always confuse me. |
| 04:47.10 | somiaj | cardamon: what is confusing about them? instead of a single large conf file, you can split the conf file into little snipets |
| 04:47.11 | cardamon | Isn't it a directory with each file being a seperate option? |
| 04:47.23 | jordanm | aypea[2]: cardamon: it won't help. gdm depends on xserver-xorg with depends on xserver-xorg-video-all. not recommends or suggests |
| 04:47.42 | cardamon | It seems very wasteful. |
| 04:47.56 | somiaj | cardamon: so every file in the directory is parsed in alphanumeric order (hence why you number the files to order them) |
| 04:48.41 | somiaj | cardamon: it makes adding/removing options automically (with a package manager) far easier than parsing a single file and adding/removing the lines you want, with just copying a single file and/or removing it |
| 04:48.50 | jordanm | cardamon: disk space is *very* cheap these days, and I think its a fine sacrifice to ensure that simply installing the package will work on almost any machine |
| 04:50.09 | aypea[2] | jordan: ah. fair enough in that case. cardamon: you ought to install the xorg driver you need and then gdm. |
| 04:50.15 | somiaj | cardamon: try apt-get install gdm xserver-xorg-video-<the one you want> |
| 04:50.44 | cardamon | You couldn't have said that a minute ago... |
| 04:50.55 | nrdb_armv5tel | hi I am having troubles with lvm2... I have a md_crypt on raid1... when I run "pvcreate /dev/mapper/md1" I get no errors etc.... when I then run "pvdisplay /dev/mapper/md1" I get "No physical volume label read from /dev/mapper/md1" .... what could be wrong? |
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| 04:51.26 | cardamon | Well, I'm having to put a DE/WM on here from scratch. |
| 04:51.28 | somiaj | I think it may only be dependent on 'a video driver' and the xserver-xorg-video-all is the default one, but if you choose another one it satisifes the depends and it won't pull in everything (I know it works for the xsever-xorg-core package, but I don't install big de) |
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| 04:54.12 | Wyzard | nrdb_armv5tel: hmm, I get that too, and I'm running an installed OS from within that PV :-) |
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| 04:55.29 | Wyzard | nrdb_armv5tel: oops, no, nevermind, I ran it on the wrong device :-/ |
| 04:55.36 | Wyzard | nrdb_armv5tel: What does "pvdisplay" by itself say? |
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| 05:09.05 | jordanm | cardamon: all the drivers combined are around 7MB of space |
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| 05:09.45 | jordanm | packages=($(apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-all | grep 'Depends:' | grep -o 'xserver.*' | tr ',' '\n')); for package in "${packages[@]}"; do apt-cache show "$package"; done | awk '/Installed-Size/ { i += $2 } END { print i }' |
| 05:09.55 | jordanm | not the best approach, but it works |
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| 05:30.27 | minsa | scala-mode-el is giving error in wheezy. |
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| 05:49.15 | erawfish_ | !tell minsa about errors |
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| 06:08.05 | minsa | here is the error that I am getting: http://pastebin.com/48h93qq1 |
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| 06:12.00 | streuner_ | 204476 files and directories currently installed and you are unable to fix an issue with apt/dpkg, strange. |
| 06:12.25 | streuner_ | minsa: please show us your sources.list |
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| 06:19.09 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/wL36YCks |
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| 06:22.53 | erawfish_ | minsa: you run testing, why didn't you check BTS? |
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| 06:24.17 | erawfish_ | dbugs 644784 |
| 06:24.21 | erawfish_ | !dbugs 644784 |
| 06:24.26 | dpkg | #644784:I[scala-mode-el] scala-mode-el: byte-compilation for xemacs21 fails (); Sun, 09 Oct 2011 01:57:02 UTC [] |
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| 06:24.44 | minsa | I am running testing ? |
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| 06:25.07 | erawfish_ | you run wheezy, yes |
| 06:25.22 | erawfish_ | !wheezy |
| 06:25.22 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:25.22 | cardamon | Okay, got my dual boot setup but now I have to repair grub. |
| 06:25.35 | erawfish_ | !tell cardamon about fixgrub |
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| 06:26.58 | minsa | erawfish_, thnx. So this is a legit error and not caused by my mismanagement. |
| 06:28.04 | erawfish_ | and? someone running testing is supposed to know his way around and check bts before asking around, he's running testing after all |
| 06:29.03 | cardamon | I tried what dpkg said and got a lot of stuff. |
| 06:29.12 | cardamon | "Cannot find list of partitions" |
| 06:29.31 | minsa | true, I have been using testing/unstable for a while but never checked BTS because I never got any error before, fortunately. |
| 06:29.35 | erawfish_ | you tried WHAT exactly, please think before your write cardamon |
| 06:29.49 | cardamon | "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.." |
| 06:30.04 | cardamon | "warn: Embedding is not possible." |
| 06:30.19 | erawfish_ | what was the command line you ran? |
| 06:31.02 | cardamon | I did the following. |
| 06:31.37 | erawfish_ | !enter |
| 06:31.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:33.26 | cardamon | mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt/foo ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/foo/dev ; mount -t proc none /mnt/foo/proc ; chroot /mnt/foo ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 06:33.54 | cardamon | erawfish_, Save the bot spam for when I've actually done something that warrents it. |
| 06:34.16 | erawfish_ | good luck solving your problem |
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| 06:34.30 | cemiotic | cardamon: grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 06:35.14 | minsa | !unstable |
| 06:35.14 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 06:35.38 | cardamon | cemiotic: Thanks, it seemed to resolve correctly, although it did complain about now finding a list oof partitions (Try mounting /sys it suggests). Is that an issue? |
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| 06:36.51 | cemiotic | cardamon: sorry i don't know |
| 06:37.06 | cardamon | It seemed to work, so probably not. |
| 06:37.21 | cardamon | I do need to add a Windows entry...do that later. |
| 06:37.57 | cardamon | How about getting my tty console text to not be so small and possibly get it so it's buffered or something so I can scroll up? |
| 06:38.45 | cemiotic | cardamon: you can do it in /etc/default/grub |
| 06:39.17 | cardamon | cemiotic: The text? |
| 06:39.20 | cardamon | ugh. |
| 06:39.21 | cemiotic | and update-grub afterwards |
| 06:39.26 | cardamon | s/small/large/ |
| 06:39.36 | cardamon | stupid late night partial dyslexia. |
| 06:39.55 | erawfish_ | !enter |
| 06:39.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:39.58 | Wyzard | cardamon: You should be able to scroll up with Shift-PgUp |
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| 06:40.18 | cardamon | Wyzard: I am not. |
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| 06:42.33 | cardamon | Wyzard: Ah, there, got scrolling at least. |
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| 06:55.32 | nrdb_armv5tel | hi I am having troubles with lvm2... I have a md_crypt on raid1... when I run "pvcreate /dev/mapper/md1" I get no errors etc.... when I then run "pvdisplay /dev/mapper/md1" I get "No physical volume label read from /dev/mapper/md1" .... what could be wrong? |
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| 07:07.41 | erawfish_ | hanibana: you mean load average? |
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| 07:08.50 | hanibana | third line: Cpu(s): 54.5%us, 41.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 4.5%si, 0.0%st |
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| 07:11.20 | acu | guys I am trying to dd and forgot how to establish how can I specify how much of the hard disk to be dd - is something dd if=/dev/sda/ of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 conv=notrunc, noerror (but I have to specify the size there) |
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| 07:14.56 | erawfish_ | acu: size is a combination of bs and count |
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| 07:15.56 | MrGizmo757 | can sombody help me set up My fglrx driver with aticonfig? i not sure what i need to enter into terminal to configure this thing. |
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| 07:16.48 | erawfish_ | !tell MrGizmo757 about fglrx dkms |
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| 07:45.30 | wizoz | Hey. Could anyone recommend a linux backup utility (preferably using web gui) which can handle backup sources like an mysql-host, samba and files directly from scp. |
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| 07:46.25 | ompaul | wizoz: you would let a web front end tackle your mysql backend ... gulp :) |
| 07:46.47 | wizoz | ompaul: In the sense of managing backup sources, yes. |
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| 07:46.51 | ompaul | wizoz: the backup tool you want is called rsync and it is a difference tool not an everything tool |
| 07:47.27 | ompaul | it is command line stick it in a script - grab yourself some cron and happy days |
| 07:47.35 | wizoz | ompaul: I've heard of it. |
| 07:47.38 | ompaul | wizoz: and best of all it is very well documented |
| 07:48.41 | wizoz | ompaul: What about rsync mysql database files (such as .frm and .opt)? |
| 07:48.51 | ompaul | rsync -ave ssh user@box-to-be-backed-up:/path/to/be/backed/up /local/place/to/back/it/up/ |
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| 07:49.11 | wizoz | Including binary-files such as idbata1, ib_logfile0 ... |
| 07:49.19 | ompaul | wizoz: yes and ... |
| 07:49.28 | ompaul | it will back it up |
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| 07:53.14 | wizoz | ompaul: You have experience in backing up mysql-hosts using rsync? |
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| 07:53.32 | wizoz | I was thinking about rsyn /var/lib/mysql - but I'm worried about conflicts and/or locking tables. |
| 07:53.41 | wizoz | Might not affect InnoDB engines? |
| 07:54.08 | ompaul | wizoz: you dump the db |
| 07:54.12 | ompaul | and back that up |
| 07:54.18 | wizoz | Alright. |
| 07:54.39 | wizoz | Last question. Does it handle .gz well? |
| 07:54.42 | ompaul | otherwise you are fooling yourself about a working db |
| 07:54.48 | wizoz | I will read up on rsync and it's flaws, if any. |
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| 07:54.51 | ompaul | I said it handles binaries |
| 07:55.32 | ompaul | wizoz: you have much to read - so I suggest this as a query rsync howto it gives the best hits for it |
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| 08:00.34 | rozie | hi. non usual and not strictly Debian question. there's project for schools to create open source system providing IT services for schools. one of the parts of the project is providing internet access |
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| 08:00.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | there are several debian derivatives focused on schools :) |
| 08:02.12 | rozie | I know, but those guys are creating something slightly different, more complex, and adjusted to polish conditions |
| 08:02.20 | rozie | but that's not the point |
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| 08:03.05 | rozie | one of the parts will be proxy and dansguardian, to filter undesired (mostly: adult) content |
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| 08:04.13 | erawfish_ | rozie: less enter, more coming to the point |
| 08:04.35 | rozie | and here comes the question: do you know/can recommend any free filter list for dansguardian? preffered open source. has to be free for commercial usa (I bet schools will fall under commercial use here) |
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| 08:07.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt it come with lists? |
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| 08:07.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | then you white/black list from there |
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| 08:09.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | according to apt-file, /etc/dansguardian/lists/ has them |
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| 08:10.31 | rozie | I guess important thing is to keep those lists up to date |
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| 08:11.51 | rozie | there are http://dansguardian.org/?page=blacklist but all are paid |
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| 08:15.30 | rozie | OTOH Solution Provider for Schools - $527 per year is not very expensive, if they think about project seriously |
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| 08:16.08 | rozie | and maybe they even can collaborate (improve lists) to get better offer |
| 08:16.32 | hellop | That's exactly what I was thinking. |
| 08:16.32 | rozie | but if you know such a service for free, please let me know |
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| 08:20.23 | hellop | BBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALALALALLALALALALALALALALALALALALLALALALALALALALALALALLALALLALAL! |
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| 08:44.12 | cielo | !list |
| 08:44.13 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 08:47.01 | erawfish_ | dpkg list is ultrahawt warez available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ !!Only today without any ratio!! |
| 08:47.02 | dpkg | ...but list is already something else... |
| 08:47.24 | oldirty | ... NO RATIO!? |
| 08:47.28 | erawfish_ | no ratio! |
| 08:47.42 | oldirty | i haven't even thought of that in years... going to off topic to reminisce :P |
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| 08:50.41 | erawfish_ | dpkg: forget list |
| 08:51.00 | oldirty | beat me to it :P |
| 08:51.19 | oldirty | dpkg list is ultrahawt warez available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ !!Only today without any ratio!! |
| 08:51.19 | dpkg | ...but list is already something else... |
| 08:51.22 | oldirty | hrm |
| 08:51.56 | erawfish_ | dpkg: no, list is 30.000 0day warez at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ Today is leech day! No ration until 0:00am!!! |
| 08:51.56 | dpkg | erawfish_: okay |
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| 08:54.21 | erawfish_ | dpkg: no, list is 30.000 0day warez at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ Only today is leech day! No ratios until 0:00am!!! Get it while it lasts! |
| 08:54.22 | dpkg | okay, erawfish_ |
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| 08:55.41 | oldirty | !list |
| 08:55.42 | dpkg | [list] 30.000 0day warez at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ Only today is leech day! No ratios until 0:00am!!! Get it while it lasts! |
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| 09:08.33 | wdd``` | i spilled whiskey oo y coputer |
| 09:08.35 | negaduck | hi! when i unplug my flash-drive my debian system hangs up. How to fix this? |
| 09:08.52 | wdd``` | ow the botto row ecept b c dot work |
| 09:08.53 | wdd``` | what do |
| 09:08.55 | wdd``` | laptop |
| 09:09.15 | erawfish_ | wdd```: ##hardware |
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| 09:21.48 | erawfish_ | negaduck: switch to a console and then unplug. also, start X from a console via startx and no (g)dm, then unplug and check what the error(s) are if any |
| 09:23.07 | negaduck | erawfish_, i'll try that. thanks |
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| 09:41.34 | llimeht | aq98kla. |
| 09:41.48 | llimeht | ECAT |
| 09:43.15 | simonlnu | your ham callsign? :P |
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| 09:48.16 | paxed | i'm trying to install debian from usb stick. the install reboots the computer immediately after loading linux, initrd, and EDD(?) ...help? |
| 09:48.28 | erawfish_ | quick! change it before someone else uses it to pass himself as you on the airwaves! |
| 09:48.47 | erawfish_ | paxed: how did you create the usb stick and what computer is it? |
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| 09:51.19 | paxed | erawfish_: downloaded the boot.img.gz, zcatted it to the usbstick, downloaded debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso and copied it there. motherboard is asus m4a77td, cpu amd athlon 2. i've tried both amd64 and i386 netinst iso |
| 09:51.59 | erawfish_ | get the iso and cat it to the usb stick device |
| 09:52.06 | rozie | paxed: try running with noacpi parameter |
| 09:52.23 | erawfish_ | paxed: debian isos are hybrid images |
| 09:52.28 | erawfish_ | !tell paxed about usb install |
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| 09:52.36 | erawfish_ | !tell paxed about hybrid image |
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| 09:53.04 | paxed | erawfish_: hm. ok, i'll try that. noacpi i already tried. |
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| 09:53.22 | K-J158 | Hi all |
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| 09:54.32 | rozie | I suggest grabbing debian live and checking it's boot options (IIRC there are build-in schemes in live) |
| 09:54.36 | K-J158 | i would like to host some virtual machines on a debian squeeze (6.0.3) server |
| 09:55.22 | K-J158 | i'm looking xen and i would like to know if the 'special' kernel is very different to the standard kernel ? |
| 09:56.50 | erawfish_ | K-J158: compare the .config file foe each and you knwo |
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| 09:57.34 | paxed | erawfish_: thanks, that worked. i googled for the usb install thing, and it must've been an old howto or something. |
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| 10:01.00 | simonlnu | paxed: the debian docs are almost always more up to date |
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| 10:05.16 | Hot | Hi,after I upgraded ubuntu from 11.04 to 11.10 ,I want to switch to debian (unity seems a game for child and is unconfortable) ,I have the following system : Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5800 @ 3.20GHz × 2 , is it better that I choose the 32bit or the 64bit version ? thanks for the suggestion in advance |
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| 10:06.45 | ham5 | 64bit |
| 10:07.52 | Hot | thanks ham5,a question, if I try to install a 32bit application under the 64 bit system will it works ? |
| 10:07.59 | erawfish_ | Hot: the important part is the RAM, not so much the CPU |
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| 10:08.21 | erawfish_ | and no, debian doesn't support multiarch yet, that is a feature for the comming debian wheezy |
| 10:08.23 | ham5 | you can get 32 bit libs, install from the repo you wont have problems |
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| 10:08.53 | ham5 | suggest to Hot to read the debian wiki @ wiki.debian.org |
| 10:08.56 | erawfish_ | ham5: untrue. not all libs are available in a 32bit version to install on 64bit |
| 10:08.58 | oldirty | Hot: there are libraries to allow you to run 32bit applications on a 64bit system. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. If you don't know that you need 64bit, choose 32. |
| 10:09.01 | Hot | ram is 4gb here |
| 10:09.20 | Hot | thanks oldirty ,this is a nice reply ;) |
| 10:09.31 | Hot | I'll use the 32bit one.thanks have a nice day |
| 10:09.37 | erawfish_ | Hot: and what videocard? basically 4GB minus videoram+256MB is the amount of RAM usable on 32bit to you |
| 10:10.05 | erawfish_ | so if you have a intel integrated video only, you can use ~3.75GB of your RAM |
| 10:10.20 | Hot | erawfish_, yes, I know that |
| 10:10.32 | oldirty | Hot: I will have to second ham5's response that you need to read the wiki. The fact that you are unfamiliar with the fundamental difference between 32bit vs 64bit unices suggests that you may need to prepare yourself quite a bit for debian. |
| 10:10.34 | Hot | the video card is an integrated one |
| 10:10.52 | Hot | ok oldirty |
| 10:11.26 | Hot | well I know that the mainly difference is the memory management with the 32bit one I can handle up to 4gb at the max |
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| 10:11.31 | Hot | or not ? |
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| 10:11.47 | flower | 3 and a bit |
| 10:11.49 | flower | not 4 |
| 10:11.54 | ham5 | if your running a 64bit version anything you get from the repos would work ? |
| 10:12.01 | erawfish_ | Hot: not really. linux is not debian, linux can use PAE by default |
| 10:12.26 | erawfish_ | ham5: yes... sorta. but: then he wouldn't need to ask about 32bit software |
| 10:12.27 | ham5 | what 32 bit app could he possible run/need comming from ubuntu... anyway |
| 10:12.34 | Hot | ah |
| 10:12.49 | erawfish_ | brainfart. linux is not windows... sorry |
| 10:13.02 | erawfish_ | linux can use PAE, while windows cannot and is limited to 4GB on 32bit |
| 10:13.07 | simonlnu | heh, i was wondering what you meant by that =) |
| 10:13.34 | erawfish_ | simonlnu: it was technically right! linux is not debian after all :) |
| 10:13.51 | simonlnu | no, it isn't, it's a kernel ;) |
| 10:15.02 | oldirty | erawfish_: actually 7 and server 2008 have a PAE-like kernel now. |
| 10:15.17 | oldirty | erawfish_: has to be voodoo'd into place, but it's possible. |
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| 10:16.03 | erawfish_ | oldirty: works from 2k onwards iirc, but you have to infringe MS copyright. and it's OT |
| 10:16.41 | oldirty | slippery slopes. |
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| 10:19.18 | bolt | I have a problem where some seemingly random letters in icedove go bold. Screenshot here: http://s8.postimage.org/yqva5xlqt/fatchar.png Zoom is set at the default level. |
| 10:19.25 | bolt | Any ideas what to do? |
| 10:20.09 | Hot | bye bye |
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| 10:32.44 | Amnesia | question how does firefox determine what the default applications are for several file types |
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| 10:33.01 | Amnesia | i.e. feh is the default app for image files |
| 10:33.07 | Amnesia | it isnt in /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 10:34.25 | Amnesia | ? |
| 10:34.33 | GNU\colossus | bolt, looks to me like font rendering (esp. AA) gone wrong. |
| 10:34.59 | Amnesia | anyone? |
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| 10:35.30 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a command line based password manager? Any recommendations? Thanks. |
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| 10:36.42 | erawfish_ | Amnesia: there is a tab in your firefox options for this |
| 10:36.53 | Amnesia | I know I know, I know how to change it |
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| 10:37.03 | Amnesia | but I'm just curious where firefox gets these default from |
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| 10:38.50 | bolt | GNU\colossus: what can I do about it? |
| 10:39.00 | rotflcopter | rudi_s<< gedit can do it |
| 10:39.10 | rotflcopter | you can save to textfile using it |
| 10:39.25 | rotflcopter | ain't that cool? |
| 10:39.35 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: "command line based" <- and encrypted, because otherwise I'd just vim. |
| 10:39.44 | rotflcopter | ohh |
| 10:39.47 | GNU\colossus | bolt, change your freetype font rendering settings. are you using a desktop environment? |
| 10:39.53 | rotflcopter | why do you want to encrypt your passwords? |
| 10:39.59 | bolt | GNU\colossus: nope. just awesome wm |
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| 10:40.14 | rotflcopter | you need a password for that too |
| 10:40.21 | Amnesia | anyone on the default:)? |
| 10:40.22 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: True, but a simple grep doesn't find it. |
| 10:40.25 | Amnesia | defaults* |
| 10:41.00 | rotflcopter | ;> |
| 10:41.09 | rotflcopter | and where do you wanna decrypt your passwords? |
| 10:41.13 | rotflcopter | in /tmp ? |
| 10:41.19 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: stdout ... |
| 10:41.20 | rotflcopter | /swap? |
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| 10:41.31 | rotflcopter | aham |
| 10:41.41 | rotflcopter | sounds simple enough |
| 10:41.43 | GNU\colossus | bolt, try playing around with this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Anti-aliasing |
| 10:42.11 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: I could write something myself, but if somebody knows a good working solution I'd prefer to use it. |
| 10:42.13 | rotflcopter | given you dont store it in an unencrypted partition its not a security risk |
| 10:42.29 | rotflcopter | openssl can do it |
| 10:42.46 | rotflcopter | using aes encryption forexample |
| 10:42.56 | themill | rudi_s: "apt-cache search password manager" turns up quite a few options |
| 10:42.59 | bolt | GNU\colossus: ah. will try. thanks |
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| 10:43.19 | zW | Aloha |
| 10:43.23 | zW | Some people awake ? :) |
| 10:43.26 | rotflcopter | no |
| 10:43.31 | zW | :p |
| 10:43.44 | rotflcopter | im an alien |
| 10:43.51 | zW | Question. My apache complains that there are Too many files. |
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| 10:44.11 | zW | To increase this I set file-max to higher value in /proc and fs.file-max in sysctl |
| 10:44.15 | zW | is that enough ? |
| 10:44.24 | oldirty | rudi_s: usermod / vipw do all of the command line user-y things I need, as a rule. |
| 10:44.30 | zW | or do I have to add a ulimit -n value to the apache startup script also ? |
| 10:44.38 | zW | in debian |
| 10:44.52 | oldirty | rudi_s: a more comprehensive description of your goals would be helpful. |
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| 10:46.35 | rudi_s | themill: Yeah, but most are GUI based. Only pwsafe isn't and it's no longer developed and uses a cryptic format (compatible with some windows program). |
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| 10:47.15 | rudi_s | oldirty: Ah, sorry for being imprecise, I meant to manage passwords to websites, logins, etc. - not for local users. |
| 10:47.18 | ew0x | zW: I'd go for a ulimit -n in the init script as well, I guess you're hitting the 1024 open fds hard limit, not the default 400k from the fs.file-max |
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| 10:49.30 | oldirty | rudi_s: Oh I see |
| 10:49.53 | rotflcopter | rudi_s<< http://www.crypt.gen.nz/papers/backup_encryption.html |
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| 10:51.37 | oldirty | rudi_s: cpm? http://www.harry-b.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=harry:cpm |
| 10:52.15 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: Yeah, gpg is a good idea. But maybe wrote a tool which calls it for me ;-) |
| 10:52.46 | rudi_s | oldirty: That looks interesting. Thank you, I'll have a look. |
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| 10:53.19 | oldirty | halping <.> |
| 10:53.27 | rotflcopter | rudi_s<< echo password | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -e -pass pass:12345 | openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -d -pass pass:12345 |
| 10:53.51 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: I know ... btw. specifying passwords on the command line is a bad idea. |
| 10:54.11 | rotflcopter | you do not have to enter it in the script |
| 10:54.12 | rotflcopter | :P |
| 10:54.19 | rotflcopter | it is clever enough to prompt |
| 10:54.48 | ew0x | rudi_s: Just do an 'export HISTSIZE=0' and you're fine to go with history concerns |
| 10:54.54 | rudi_s | I know, just wanted to mention it. |
| 10:55.13 | rudi_s | ew0x: I like my history - and there's always ps ux. |
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| 10:56.03 | erawfish_ | rudi_s: google ncurses password manager. there are several, cpm just seems the most promintor |
| 10:56.10 | erawfish_ | *prominent |
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| 10:56.31 | ew0x | rudi_s: 1) that's a per-shell env, you don't loose the whole history; 2) if you run the what rotflcopter gave you as root, noone will see it from ps, unless your box is already rooted |
| 10:57.07 | ew0x | s/the what/what/ |
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| 10:57.45 | rudi_s | erawfish_: Thanks, will have a look after I tried cpm. |
| 10:58.43 | rudi_s | ew0x: Good points, but I like to to run it as normal user. |
| 10:59.38 | rotflcopter | ew0x<< maybe he has rooted some server and concerned about owners nocite it |
| 11:00.18 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: Yep, that's it. And I want to store my passwords on their servers ;-) |
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| 11:00.58 | rotflcopter | cool |
| 11:01.39 | rotflcopter | why not encrypt on your computer and upload it after then? |
| 11:01.57 | rudi_s | rotflcopter: I was just kidding - I need it on my local computer. |
| 11:02.04 | rotflcopter | it is collecting passwords too? |
| 11:02.06 | rotflcopter | <; |
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| 11:02.39 | oldirty | dear god. |
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| 11:18.59 | fufckdoug | What is the best VRML browser? Cosmo Player views old .wrls good, but can't view newer files |
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| 11:20.15 | steph7 | hi..sonud dont't work on my squeeze, someone can help me? |
| 11:20.19 | steph7 | *sound |
| 11:21.09 | ham5 | dpkg: tell steph7 about smart questions |
| 11:21.22 | erawfish_ | !tell steph7 about alsa checklist |
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| 11:25.08 | raven_ | lvm pvcreate: cannot setup pv: Can't open /dev/sdc exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
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| 11:26.16 | raven_ | any suggestions? |
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| 11:27.28 | windparadise | hello, good morning all |
| 11:27.29 | erawfish_ | checked with lsof if anything else has it open? |
| 11:28.55 | windparadise | pls I am setting out my source list in order to install gplhost, please can you help check if it's correct? no mistakes ? http://pastebin.com/UsnNsiLV |
| 11:29.18 | steph7 | ham5, erawfish_ so ok, seen alsa checklist...still not works for me |
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| 11:30.22 | windparadise | any answer please ? |
| 11:30.31 | erawfish_ | steph7: we've seen how you described your problem, still not a usable problem description |
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| 11:31.18 | raven_ | lvm pvcreate: cannot setup pv: Can't open /dev/sdc exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
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| 11:32.46 | erawfish_ | windparadise: looks ok |
| 11:33.03 | windparadise | ok, thx |
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| 11:36.36 | raven_ | lvm pvcreate: cannot setup pv: Can't open /dev/sdc exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
| 11:36.44 | erawfish_ | !repeat |
| 11:36.45 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:37.04 | erawfish_ | raven_: have you checked with lsof? |
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| 11:38.13 | raven_ | erawfish_, i can acces with gparted and play around with it - it is not mounted/used |
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| 11:42.28 | raven_ | erawfish_, ? |
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| 11:45.04 | erawfish_ | see the lsof comment above |
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| 11:46.25 | twanny796 | link to download woody, please, I need this one. 10x |
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| 11:47.22 | erawfish_ | !woody |
| 11:47.22 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 11:48.00 | Mmike | !potato |
| 11:48.00 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. Get old potato ISOs here: http://mirror.klabs.be/debian-cd/potato/2.2_rev7/iso/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 11:48.15 | erawfish_ | !tell Mmike about msgthebot |
| 11:48.47 | Mmike | I know, sorry, my bad, just wanted to, dunno what I wanted. :) Sorry, won't do it again. |
| 11:49.55 | erawfish_ | just trying to help. browsing dpkg factoids is very informative, and you can't do it properly in channel |
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| 11:52.46 | raven_ | lvm pvcreate: cannot setup pv: Can't open /dev/sdc exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
| 11:53.47 | petemc | raven_: pastebin cat /proc/mounts |
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| 11:55.11 | erawfish_ | raven_: and the output of lsof |grep sdc |
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| 11:55.41 | raven_ | petemc, http://pastebin.com/bKusPEPz |
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| 11:56.10 | raven_ | erawfish_, oh..... hddtemp 1070 root 4r BLK 8,32 0t0 1596 /dev/sdc |
| 11:56.56 | raven_ | just stopped hddtemp but still problems |
| 11:57.36 | mahsom | Hello ... |
| 11:57.36 | oldirty | raven_: telinit 1 |
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| 11:57.53 | mahsom | How can add new library path to perl ? |
| 11:57.58 | oldirty | then, you know... back to your normal runlevel whenever you're finished. |
| 11:58.01 | oldirty | mahsom: CPAN |
| 11:58.25 | mahsom | oldirty, what ? CPAN ... ! |
| 11:58.32 | erawfish_ | !cpan |
| 11:58.32 | dpkg | cpan is, like, the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
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| 11:58.42 | erawfish_ | but how that changes lib paths I dunno |
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| 11:58.58 | raven_ | oldirty, no change |
| 11:59.01 | mahsom | ok ... :) |
| 11:59.09 | oldirty | mahsom: I'm sorry, I misread your question. |
| 11:59.27 | oldirty | thought you meant "How do I add a new library to perl" |
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| 11:59.46 | erawfish_ | mahsom: http://www.google.com/search?q=perl+library+path where the first hit is http://www.perlhowto.com/extending_the_library_path |
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| 12:00.05 | mahsom | erawfish_, ok . thank you :) |
| 12:00.11 | oldirty | raven: you can't pvcreate on the drive in runlevel 1? |
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| 12:00.45 | erawfish_ | raven_: and it would help to see the, hopefully new, errormessage |
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| 12:01.52 | raven_ | oldirty, right |
| 12:01.58 | raven_ | erawfish_, there is no |
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| 12:02.39 | no_gravity | Hi! I know, I can check if a mountpoint is mounted like this: grep -q ' /mount/point ' /proc/mounts && echo 'yeah its mounted'. How can negate that and check if its NOT mounted? |
| 12:03.07 | erawfish_ | no_gravity: check the return value of grep? |
| 12:03.19 | no_gravity | erawfish_: i dont now? do you? |
| 12:03.25 | ew0x | no_gravity: '|| echo its not mounted' |
| 12:03.30 | erawfish_ | but: it won't work very well since you can mount via UUID, label, devicename, etc |
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| 12:04.13 | no_gravity | ew0x: you mean this? grep -q ' /mount/point ' /proc/mounts || echo 'not mounted' |
| 12:04.27 | erawfish_ | or look at the first line of http://pastebin.com/bKusPEPz by raven_: what device is "rootfs"? |
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| 12:05.32 | ew0x | ew0x: for a one-liner, yup, otherwise getting the exit code from $? and flowing execution based on its value is cleaner as erawfish_ mentionned |
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| 12:05.41 | ew0x | no_gravity: ^ |
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| 12:06.00 | _r00t_ | Hi |
| 12:06.24 | no_gravity | ew0x: ok, so im going with ||. Thanks! |
| 12:06.43 | _r00t_ | I've used debian before but let me get this straight ... I can use a freebsd kernel with it too ? o_O ? |
| 12:06.44 | erawfish_ | ew0x: is "||" a bashism or shellism? cause he'd want a NADN operator, not a OR, right? |
| 12:06.56 | erawfish_ | !tell _r00t_ about kfreebsd |
| 12:07.09 | raven_ | erawfish_, i dont know its a new minimal installation |
| 12:07.23 | ew0x | no_gravity: keep in mind '|| whatever' gets executed if any of the former commands fail |
| 12:08.04 | ew0x | no_gravity: that is 'A && B || C' has C executed if any of A or B fails |
| 12:08.44 | _r00t_ | ok ... So I'm downloading the debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso ... after installation I get haz apt-get install kfreebsd too ? |
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| 12:08.59 | ew0x | erawfish_: '||' is consistent within at least bash and dash |
| 12:09.10 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: no. there is no kfreebsd livecd, only installer cds |
| 12:09.39 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: and you must get a kfreebsd install cd to run it. just like a i386 or amd64 one |
| 12:10.23 | erawfish_ | ew0x: && and || are just a different operator compared to sane languages like C I guess |
| 12:10.29 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: ic but after installing kfreebsd can I not also install a generic linux kernel and boot the OS ? |
| 12:10.35 | no_gravity | ew0x: awesome! thanks. |
| 12:10.41 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: no |
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| 12:10.52 | ew0x | erawfish_: , yes, '&&' in shelss is not a bit-wise and |
| 12:11.03 | _r00t_ | excitement fades |
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| 12:11.43 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: thanks ... now I need to find this kfreebsd download |
| 12:11.45 | ew0x | erawfish_: '&& A' is somehow a shortcut to ' if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then A; fi', '|| A' -> 'if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then A; fi' |
| 12:11.51 | erawfish_ | ew0x: | is bitwise, || is logical |
| 12:12.11 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/ |
| 12:12.19 | ew0x | erawfish_: I know, that's not a boolean operation here, it's control-flow instructions |
| 12:12.56 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: you can try to use a linux kernel with the kfreebsd install but I remember there are some packages different between them so it probably won't work |
| 12:13.09 | raven_ | erawfish_, oldirty petemc i just found out that i cannot create a partition 1 (sdc1) too |
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| 12:13.47 | erawfish_ | raven_: what is the output of "runlevel" ? |
| 12:14.02 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: thanks ... downloading debian-6.0.3-kfreebsd-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso hoping I can unetbootit too |
| 12:14.22 | raven_ | erawfish_, 2 |
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| 12:14.24 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: you cannot. unetbootin is known to break |
| 12:14.38 | raven_ | erawfish_, but its strange that everything works with sdb |
| 12:14.40 | erawfish_ | raven_: it's not. and remember what oldirty told you |
| 12:14.46 | oldirty | raven_: do this: |
| 12:15.00 | erawfish_ | !tell _r00t_ about usb install |
| 12:15.03 | raven_ | erawfish_, ? |
| 12:15.18 | oldirty | raven_: hold "Ctrl+alt+SysRq" and hit "r e i" |
| 12:15.29 | _r00t_ | Sighs.... Did I mention that I am lazt ? :) |
| 12:15.35 | _r00t_ | *lazy |
| 12:15.35 | raven_ | oldirty, what does this? |
| 12:15.44 | oldirty | raven_: kills all running processes |
| 12:15.55 | raven_ | oldirty, and next? |
| 12:15.57 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: you can cat the iso directly onto the usb stick. they're hybrid images, no need for crutches like unetbootin |
| 12:16.03 | oldirty | raven_: then telinit 1 |
| 12:16.12 | oldirty | raven_: then fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
| 12:16.14 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: you THE MAN !!!! |
| 12:16.21 | erawfish_ | no, the debian installer team is |
| 12:16.48 | oldirty | raven_: if that works, or shows up empty (as long as there's no error), go ahead and run the pvcreate command |
| 12:16.49 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: dd if=iso of=/dev/memstick something like that ? |
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| 12:16.56 | erawfish_ | yes |
| 12:17.06 | raven_ | oldirty, this sysrq operation is disabled two times |
| 12:17.09 | erawfish_ | or cat iso > /dev/sda |
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| 12:17.13 | _r00t_ | LIFE is good again :) |
| 12:17.18 | oldirty | raven_: are you root? |
| 12:17.31 | _r00t_ | oldirty: No I'm root |
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| 12:17.50 | oldirty | _r00t_: !crotchkick |
| 12:18.10 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: Thanks for info ... very useful mate |
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| 12:18.40 | raven_ | oldirty, yes |
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| 12:19.33 | oldirty | raven_: i see. what version of debian are you using? |
| 12:19.41 | oldirty | sorry if you already said... :\ |
| 12:20.03 | raven_ | stable |
| 12:20.04 | ew0x | raven_: do a 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq' to enable all sys requests |
| 12:20.34 | raven_ | oldirty, i just changed the ide controllers to see if that will change anything |
| 12:20.47 | raven_ | oldirty, because sdc and sdd are on controller 1 |
| 12:20.54 | oldirty | ew0x: nice, didn't know that one |
| 12:21.20 | ew0x | oldirty: sysrq can be 'masked' since 2.6.something iirc |
| 12:21.36 | oldirty | i figured it was possible, never seen it in the wild :D |
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| 12:22.41 | cektor | damn this a big channel |
| 12:22.45 | cektor | alive? |
| 12:23.26 | ew0x | just checked here on wheezy, masked to 438, i.e you can't send processes signals by default :-/ I'm shocked. |
| 12:24.04 | raven_ | oldirty, erawfish_ nice now fdisk -l says Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes but pvcreate /dev/sda tells me Device /dev/sda not found (or ignored by filtering). |
| 12:24.09 | raven_ | broken drives?????!!!! |
| 12:24.23 | oldirty | raven_: pvcreate expects to be pointed to a partition |
| 12:24.29 | oldirty | iirc |
| 12:24.34 | oldirty | hold on, let me check the docs |
| 12:24.46 | raven_ | oldirty, it did not missed it before... |
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| 12:25.05 | oldirty | raven_: I'm sorry? |
| 12:25.28 | oldirty | raven_: humour me. create a single partition on sda and then run lvm pvcreate /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:26.27 | ew0x | partition type has to be set to 'LVM' IIRC |
| 12:26.37 | raven_ | oldirty, old message..... Can't open /dev/sda1 exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
| 12:26.55 | valdyn | raven_: which device are you going to boot from? |
| 12:26.57 | erawfish_ | raven_: cause sda1 exists and is /boot |
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| 12:27.18 | raven_ | erawfish_, no i changed the controllers now boot is sdc1 |
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| 12:28.16 | valdyn | ew0x: no |
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| 12:28.38 | valdyn | ew0x: and linux does not use partition types for anything anymore |
| 12:29.28 | ew0x | valdyn: Sound likely. Still have memories of old times you had to 'pvtouch' a block device first ;) |
| 12:30.23 | raven_ | i went out of ideas now..... |
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| 12:30.38 | ew0x | valdyn: Well, the manpage for pvcreate has to be updated then, it's still stating partition id should be set to 0x8e. |
| 12:30.53 | valdyn | raven_: dont make whole disks physical volumes, thats just makeing this fragile |
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| 12:31.43 | raven_ | i cannot make a part of it lv also ^^ |
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| 12:32.11 | valdyn | raven_: that makes no sense |
| 12:32.24 | valdyn | raven_: i mean, what youre are saying makes no sense |
| 12:32.30 | raven_ | ? |
| 12:33.20 | valdyn | raven_: "cant open sda1 exclusively" is not ambigous |
| 12:33.47 | raven_ | do not know.... |
| 12:34.32 | oldirty | I think we've lost direction here. |
| 12:34.37 | erawfish_ | raven_: you have checked lsof again, right? |
| 12:34.43 | raven_ | yes |
| 12:34.46 | raven_ | nothing |
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| 12:35.19 | oldirty | raven_: something is using the hard drive. you need to kill it. su to root and then 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq' |
| 12:35.19 | valdyn | did he paste is "df -a" yet ? |
| 12:35.52 | raven_ | oldirty, just a moment now with other drives it says anything |
| 12:36.07 | oldirty | I'm done. |
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| 12:36.22 | raven_ | /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so |
| 12:36.24 | oldirty | i would beat my wife if i wasn't so lazy. |
| 12:36.32 | oldirty | later guys |
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| 12:36.39 | raven_ | /dev/sdb |
| 12:36.39 | raven_ | xfce4-pan |
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| 12:38.46 | windparadise | hello, pls I have a situation, here, I am trying to set hosting account on my vps and I am told whenI enter this command "hostname --fqdn" I supposed to have mx.domain.com but mine return only domain.com what is missing? what shold I do? |
| 12:38.57 | erawfish_ | raven_: you've been told several times now to go to runlevel 1 and run the command there |
| 12:39.13 | erawfish_ | windparadise: do you need a mx record? |
| 12:39.14 | raven_ | erawfish_, i did |
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| 12:39.30 | erawfish_ | raven_: xfce4 runs when in runlevel 1? |
| 12:39.42 | jargon- | i can't for the life of me figure out why port 8081 is inaccessible on all my boxes,even tho it's enabled in firehol. baffling |
| 12:39.42 | raven_ | before that |
| 12:40.06 | windparadise | hmm, well what happens is when I register a domain name, I point the domain name to my server IP address and create an alias for it |
| 12:40.07 | valdyn | jargon-: whats supposed to be listening at 8081 ? |
| 12:40.28 | erawfish_ | windparadise: what alias? |
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| 12:40.59 | windparadise | alias for domain name pointing to its own folder |
| 12:41.01 | raven_ | erawfish_, its the same message again and again |
| 12:41.02 | erawfish_ | windparadise: the alias would need a mx record, not your original hostname |
| 12:41.11 | jargon- | valdyn: a second plone instance. 8080 works. and 8081 works downstream in the production box. but not here on the dev instances |
| 12:41.27 | valdyn | jargon-: is it listening? |
| 12:41.32 | jargon- | there's something i'm missing,but i have no idea what |
| 12:41.38 | valdyn | jargon-: how do you know its listening? show us.. |
| 12:41.45 | jargon- | valdyn: it listens for a few seconds then crashes |
| 12:42.06 | windparadise | erawfish_: how do I set teh mx record ? |
| 12:42.23 | valdyn | jargon-: so you knew from the start that its an issue of plone crashing but ask about firewall things? |
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| 12:42.37 | jargon- | valdyn: i start it up, the i run `ps aux|grep plone` a few times, and it shows both instances. after a while the 2nd one (8081) disappears |
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| 12:42.50 | jargon- | valdyn: it's not due to crashing |
| 12:42.58 | raven_ | out of ideas now |
| 12:42.59 | jargon- | the crashing is due to not being able to get to 8081 |
| 12:43.02 | valdyn | jargon-: so what is it? |
| 12:43.10 | raven_ | no error messages only repeating "mounting filesystem?" |
| 12:43.20 | valdyn | jargon-: your firewall cannot prevent a program from listening a certain port |
| 12:43.23 | jargon- | valdyn: i can't do `telnet localhost 8081` on any box here. but 8080 works |
| 12:43.41 | erawfish_ | jargon-: tried making any other program listen on 8081? |
| 12:43.42 | valdyn | jargon-: i dont care about *accessing* the port right now |
| 12:43.43 | windparadise | erawfish_: what should I do ? |
| 12:43.58 | erawfish_ | windparadise: ask your DNS provider |
| 12:44.04 | valdyn | jargon-: were talking about the plone that is "refusing" to listen at that port |
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| 12:44.25 | valdyn | jargon-: its beyond me why you inspect that with telnet thoughm theres netstat |
| 12:44.32 | erawfish_ | windparadise: preferably for the 2nd domain you intend to point wherever |
| 12:44.52 | jargon- | valdyn: netstat -tulnp. shows nothing listening on 8081 |
| 12:44.59 | valdyn | jargon-: ok, well, plone "listens" for a few seconds then crashes |
| 12:45.04 | jargon- | exactly |
| 12:45.06 | raven_ | could anyone help me with openvpn config? |
| 12:45.06 | wizoz | Hey. Could you please tell me a character who is the "extra person", like Robin in "BATMAN and robin". |
| 12:45.08 | valdyn | jargon-: but the not listening is not due to plone crashing |
| 12:45.08 | jargon- | what i've been saying |
| 12:45.16 | valdyn | jargon-: hows that supposed to make sense? |
| 12:45.18 | jargon- | valdyn: no. other wayaround |
| 12:45.19 | erawfish_ | !tell windparadise about OT |
| 12:45.22 | windparadise | so do I point the domain to the alias, or i still need to have mx records setup? currently I only have an IP address I am using |
| 12:45.41 | jargon- | valdyn: the crashing is due to plone not being able to listen |
| 12:45.55 | erawfish_ | windparadise: how is this a debian related question? we're not ##dns here, ask #networking or such |
| 12:45.59 | valdyn | jargon-: and an error message is indicating that? whats the error message? |
| 12:46.08 | erawfish_ | jargon-: can you make other servers listen? can netcat? |
| 12:46.22 | erawfish_ | !tell wizoz about OT |
| 12:46.23 | jargon- | erawfish_: let me try |
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| 12:47.37 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: nc localhost 8081 |
| 12:47.38 | jargon- | localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] 8081 (tproxy) : Connection refused |
| 12:47.52 | wizoz | erawfish_: Let me put it this way THEN. I'm trying to find a server name for my Debian-server which shall act as a backup server if primary failes. So, I ask again. |
| 12:47.56 | wizoz | Hey. Could you please tell me a character who is the "extra person", like Robin in "BATMAN and robin". |
| 12:47.58 | valdyn | jargon-: sure, but thats not listening |
| 12:48.20 | erawfish_ | jargon-: man netcat |
| 12:48.42 | erawfish_ | wizoz: this is nothing debian support related. please stop OT talk. thank you |
| 12:48.47 | valdyn | jargon-: id rather see your plone error message though that as you say is telling you that plone cannot listen at 8081 |
| 12:48.52 | wizoz | Wow. |
| 12:49.17 | abrotman | wizoz: try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 12:49.37 | jargon- | valdyn: erawfish_ : nc -l localhost 8081 seems to be listening. no output no prompt |
| 12:49.45 | wizoz | Nevermind. Where just looking for a quick namn dropping. |
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| 12:50.02 | valdyn | jargon-: nice, so what about your plone error? |
| 12:50.10 | erawfish_ | jargon-: so I suggest you now answer valdyn |
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| 12:50.36 | erawfish_ | jargon-: preferably the first plone error,or anything else that seems relevant before the main plone error |
| 12:50.41 | jargon- | valdyn: although netstat -tulnp shows nc like this: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:45519 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14604/nc |
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| 12:50.58 | valdyn | jargon-: i dont really care about nc |
| 12:51.25 | valdyn | jargon-: but you got the nc syntax wrong i think |
| 12:51.25 | jargon- | erawfish_: plone isn't logging any errors at the moment. but nginx is |
| 12:51.31 | jargon- | it serves plone |
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| 12:51.59 | jargon- | valdyn: i did? |
| 12:52.03 | jargon- | what's the right syntax? |
| 12:52.11 | valdyn | jargon-: thats ok, its not relevant if were talking about plone or nginx, its just that i want to see *your* error message that you want to fix |
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| 12:53.06 | SasanRose | is there any one with network bonding experiment here? |
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| 12:53.18 | valdyn | !tell SasanRose -about ask |
| 12:53.21 | erawfish_ | !tell SasanRose about anyone |
| 12:53.35 | jargon- | valdyn: i tried `nc -l -p 8081` and got this off netstat: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8081 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14667/nc |
| 12:54.42 | valdyn | jargon-: now i know what i was already guessing, that is that your 2nd implied error is also not the truth. This is why i *want* to see your error message |
| 12:55.07 | jargon- | what error message? |
| 12:55.16 | erawfish_ | jargon-: the one nginx spits out |
| 12:55.16 | valdyn | jargon-: the one that youre trying to fix |
| 12:56.30 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: this is bad timing. i've got to go to a meeting. i'll be back later. thanks for trying to help |
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| 12:57.12 | SasanRose | i have two different ethernet, eth1 and eth2, but each one of them is on different network, i'm trying to bond them but i can't find any documents for my case, it seems that both of them should be on same network |
| 12:57.16 | erawfish_ | valdyn: do you want to bet? |
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| 12:57.32 | abrotman | SasanRose: how would uyou do the routing? |
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| 12:57.42 | valdyn | erawfish_: bet what? that nginx is not configured to 8081? |
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| 12:57.54 | ew0x | SasanRose: You either route or bridge, not a mix of both... |
| 12:57.57 | erawfish_ | valdyn: anything, but mainly the coming back part |
| 12:58.15 | valdyn | erawfish_: probably not |
| 12:58.19 | abrotman | SasanRose: you can do HA failover |
| 12:58.29 | valdyn | ew0x: he wants to bond |
| 12:58.31 | valdyn | !bonding |
| 12:58.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding . See also http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt . Older information at http://debian-administration.org/articles/350 |
| 12:58.38 | valdyn | SasanRose: ^^ ? |
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| 12:58.51 | no_gravity | Hello! There is no way to kill a D+ process, right? |
| 12:59.10 | abrotman | no_gravity: try to kill the PPID, reboot |
| 12:59.15 | SasanRose | here is my network interfaces config: http://pastebin.com/3qUEzNWR |
| 12:59.17 | valdyn | SasanRose: 2 nics in 2 networks cant be bonded |
| 12:59.25 | no_gravity | abrotman: the parent process? how do i find it? |
| 12:59.35 | abrotman | no_gravity: man ps is a decent start |
| 12:59.37 | erawfish_ | no_gravity: pstree |
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| 12:59.53 | valdyn | SasanRose: well they could be bonded on top of a vpn i guess, but i doubt thats what you want |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | no_gravity: but likely it won't die regardless .. |
| 13:00.07 | SasanRose | valdyn: mmm, so what solution do you suggest to have a fault talerance internet connection |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | already said HA failover |
| 13:00.24 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: Howdy partner ... dd if=debian-6.0.3-kfreebsd-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdd didn't seem to work for me... are you sure it's that simple ? |
| 13:00.27 | SasanRose | i have two internet links from two different isps |
| 13:00.32 | valdyn | SasanRose: what abrotman sais |
| 13:00.33 | erawfish_ | abrotman: who in here reads anything? |
| 13:00.48 | abrotman | lots of people .. they just don't read what i type :) |
| 13:00.54 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: yes, it's supposed to be |
| 13:01.09 | erawfish_ | !tell _r00t_ about doesn't work |
| 13:01.34 | valdyn | SasanRose: you can do policy based routing coupled with ha failover - or you can do anything imaginable thats technically possible.. |
| 13:01.37 | no_gravity | abrotman: killing the parent turned it from a D+ process into a D process. but it wont die. |
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| 13:01.53 | abrotman | no_gravity: reboot time! (if you really need it dead .. do you?) |
| 13:01.57 | valdyn | SasanRose: bonding is not technically possible without first bringing both nics into the same network |
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| 13:02.19 | no_gravity | abrotman: yeah in need it dead |
| 13:02.20 | m8_nb | HI |
| 13:02.26 | abrotman | bonus points if you had bonded dialup connections to get your 128k :) |
| 13:02.26 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: ok I think cat works ... will try to boot it |
| 13:02.32 | abrotman | no_gravity: rebootie time! |
| 13:02.44 | m8_nb | after a dist-upgrade i've broken my xorg, when i do startx i have No screens found |
| 13:02.48 | m8_nb | any ideas? |
| 13:02.58 | abrotman | dist-upgrade from what to what? |
| 13:03.04 | abrotman | and what is your video card? |
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| 13:03.42 | no_gravity | abrotman: yeah |
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| 13:03.54 | abrotman | well, i was going to give him more info .. oh well |
| 13:04.05 | m8_nb | abrotman, nvidia i have reinstalled the drivers but nothing |
| 13:04.20 | m8_nb | abrotman, from debian 6 |
| 13:04.28 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: to? |
| 13:04.30 | valdyn | m8_nb: you reinstallled the drivers but you didnt reload the proper kernel module? |
| 13:04.32 | abrotman | m8_nb: i'm going to pretend to know nothing about nvidia .... but someone else will need this info |
| 13:04.42 | SasanRose | abrotman: can you give me more hints to search about? |
| 13:04.50 | abrotman | m8_nb: also note, the method you used to install the nvidia drivers does matter |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | SasanRose: you would probably want heartbeat something like that |
| 13:05.22 | abrotman | hrm .. wait .. not heartbeat |
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| 13:06.03 | m8_nb | abrotman, nvidia 8800 GTS, dist-upgrade does not upgrade a distro to distro |
| 13:06.14 | m8_nb | debian 6 to debian 6 |
| 13:06.26 | m8_nb | wheezy |
| 13:06.26 | abrotman | m8_nb: i know what dist-upgrade is.... |
| 13:06.31 | amisotis | got a good question |
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| 13:06.36 | valdyn | m8_nb: wheezy is not debian 6 |
| 13:06.37 | amisotis | what is a complete list of packages for wheezy |
| 13:06.41 | abrotman | but debian 6 and wheezy does upgrade your distro |
| 13:06.42 | amisotis | what is a complete list of packages for nvidia 96xx for wheezy |
| 13:07.07 | erawfish_ | amisotis: it does not exist. you need to backport them yourself |
| 13:07.11 | abrotman | SasanRose: google "debian tcp failover" maybe |
| 13:07.30 | m8_nb | valdyn, in the latest dist-upgrade xorg was updated |
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| 13:08.22 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: wheezy is still not debian 6 no matter the state of xorg. can you please paste the output of dpkg -l |grep nvidia and the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 13:08.44 | abrotman | might want his libc6 version just to verify |
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| 13:09.28 | erawfish_ | first tells us what nvidia drivers are actually installed, 2nd tells us the real error message |
| 13:10.39 | erawfish_ | !tell amisotis about ssb |
| 13:11.22 | erawfish_ | amisotis: the source package you need is nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx btw |
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| 13:14.18 | m8_nb | erawfish_, dpkg -l | grep nvidia is empty |
| 13:14.19 | amisotis | where can I get a complete list of all the nvidia packages I need |
| 13:14.41 | amisotis | and is there a way to make Debian temporarily boot to the shell instead of X |
| 13:14.48 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: then no nvidia drivers are installed |
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| 13:15.03 | m8_nb | :o |
| 13:15.03 | amisotis | k |
| 13:15.04 | erawfish_ | !tell amisotis about nodm |
| 13:15.18 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: you downloaded you nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, right? |
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| 13:15.54 | amisotis | no |
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| 13:15.58 | amisotis | oh, n/m |
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| 13:22.34 | m8_nb | erawfish_, yes |
| 13:23.11 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: we do not support nvidia.com downloaded drivers. it is known that they break systems, especially on every upgrade |
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| 13:26.56 | gele | hello, i'm using duplicity to back up my home directories over ssh (duplicity 0.6.08b-1+b1 in squeeze). the remote computer is old and slow, and when it's busy doing other things it sometimes takes up to 20 seconds to establish an ssh connection. |
| 13:28.01 | gele | the problem is that duplicity uses -oServerAliveInterval=15 -oServerAliveCountMax=1 as options to sftp, so when the remote computer is busy it aborts the connection. |
| 13:29.10 | windparadise | helllo good morning all, pls I am trying to configure a new postfix installation on debian squeese vps, can someone pls assist ? what should I do here ? http://imagebin.org/181909 |
| 13:29.14 | gele | i've tried changing this with --ssh-options "" (which just adds the new options on top of -oServerAliveInterval=15 -oServerAliveCountMax=1), --sftp-command sftp (which changes nothing) and --scp-command scp (just to see if it would do anything, which it didn't). |
| 13:29.38 | gele | does anyone know how to change the 15 second timeout? surely it's not hard-coded? |
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| 13:30.13 | erawfish_ | windparadise: you should enter a username as the helpful message tells you |
| 13:31.04 | windparadise | erawfish_: a new username or a server username? I will be adding custom users |
| 13:31.14 | windparadise | which will be from domain aliases |
| 13:31.42 | erawfish_ | windparadise: what is the mail adminstrator's username? |
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| 13:33.33 | windparadise | root |
| 13:34.02 | windparadise | for the moment, admin is working on root |
| 13:34.42 | erawfish_ | wrong |
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| 13:35.11 | erawfish_ | admin is using the root account to do various work, but that's not the username of the admin. if it is, you are not fit to run a server |
| 13:36.10 | windparadise | I am doing a fresh installation, I ahven't completed yet |
| 13:36.27 | bolt | did you add a normal user during installation? |
| 13:36.38 | bolt | if not, just switch to another console and make one |
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| 13:39.31 | windparadise | ok, |
| 13:39.35 | windparadise | useradd right? |
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| 13:42.08 | erawfish_ | no |
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| 13:42.55 | windparadise | erawfish_: what's the command again pls ? |
| 13:43.16 | erawfish_ | who installed debian there? when you install it, it tries to create a user |
| 13:43.47 | windparadise | the default user created is root, I might need to manually created additional user |
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| 13:44.06 | jiltdil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.13 | erawfish_ | no. it doesn't create a root default user, it asks for a root password and it creates a normal user |
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| 13:45.04 | erawfish_ | jiltdil: configure PS1 as in fedora |
| 13:45.14 | windparadise | ok, let me further explain, I have a vps control panel, I am told what is my root password I want to use, I typed the password, and it create an empty debian box, so in order to login I need to use root / password |
| 13:45.27 | windparadise | how do I check additional users available ? |
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| 13:45.58 | erawfish_ | windparadise: getent passwd. any use >= UID 1000 |
| 13:46.09 | erawfish_ | *user |
| 13:46.11 | jiltdil | erawfish_:Thanks |
| 13:46.33 | erawfish_ | jiltdil: echo $PS1 to see it btw |
| 13:46.39 | windparadise | command not valid |
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| 13:46.51 | windparadise | ok, wait |
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| 13:47.18 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: ok i'm back. i shutdown nginx and tried accessing from the terminal with lynx http://localhost:8081. got this error: http://dpaste.org/7KfgL/ so i guess it's not an nginx issue? |
| 13:47.29 | erawfish_ | valdyn: we lost :( |
| 13:47.57 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: hang on let me try something drastic first. brb. |
| 13:48.03 | erawfish_ | jargon-: why do you think so. it clearly shows that nginx is not listening on 8081 |
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| 13:50.44 | windparadise | erawfish_: it doesn't return anything |
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| 13:51.03 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: well, the drastic measure (reinstalling the 2nd plone) didn't work |
| 13:51.06 | windparadise | Unknown database: passwd. |
| 13:51.12 | erawfish_ | windparadise: getent passwd will return something |
| 13:51.24 | windparadise | Unknown database: passwd. |
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| 13:51.53 | jargon- | erawfish_: because lynx wouldn't need nginx to access localhost:8081 |
| 13:52.11 | erawfish_ | jargon-: what else would listen there other than nginx? |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | windparadise: grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 13:54.31 | jiltdil | erawfish_: How to get back the old look there |
| 13:54.56 | windparadise | looking inside my /etc/passwd file shows many users |
| 13:55.03 | windparadise | but I can see root and nobody |
| 13:55.04 | erawfish_ | jiltdil: by default, debian uses PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 13:55.11 | windparadise | those 2 distincts ones |
| 13:55.16 | jiltdil | erawfish_: ok |
| 13:55.22 | abrotman | ignore me again .. |
| 13:55.53 | erawfish_ | !hug abrotman |
| 13:55.53 | dpkg | gives abrotman a hug |
| 13:56.52 | windparadise | erawfish_: so I an going to run"' useradd user right? |
| 13:57.16 | jiltdil | erawfish_: Thanks again |
| 13:57.27 | abrotman | thinks the getent man page could use some added content |
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| 13:58.16 | erawfish_ | windparadise: no. and you answer abrotman first |
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| 13:59.56 | windparadise | abrotman: grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf => passwd: compat |
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| 14:01.06 | erawfish_ | windparadise: grep 1000 /etc/passwd |
| 14:01.33 | jordanm | windparadise: looks like compat is NIS |
| 14:01.41 | erawfish_ | windparadise: you first should make sure there isn't already a user before you create new ones |
| 14:01.48 | windparadise | bhost:x:1000:1000::/home/bhost:/bin/sh |
| 14:02.40 | erawfish_ | the command to create new users is adduser btw, useradd is a low level utility |
| 14:02.54 | windparadise | ah, ok |
| 14:02.59 | windparadise | so I can add a new user now ? |
| 14:03.20 | erawfish_ | I'd check that bhost user. especially its password.... |
| 14:03.34 | windparadise | I just added bhost I think that's what brought the result posted earlier |
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| 14:03.46 | m8_nb | erawfish_, i can restore to defaul drivers? |
| 14:03.58 | windparadise | I made adduser with password yet |
| 14:04.00 | m8_nb | erawfish_, Xorg -configure? |
| 14:04.06 | windparadise | I think I will need to add a password |
| 14:04.08 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: you can try. /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 14:04.20 | erawfish_ | m8_nb: X -configure doesn't do anything at all with drivers |
| 14:04.33 | m8_nb | erawfish_, but i can use default drivers? |
| 14:05.05 | jargon- | valdyn: erawfish_: u'll laugh.... |
| 14:05.08 | jargon- | it's working now |
| 14:05.15 | jargon- | guess what the problem was. |
| 14:05.17 | jargon- | plone |
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| 14:05.20 | jargon- | smh |
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| 14:05.50 | jargon- | the 2nd plone wasn't configged to listen to 8081 |
| 14:06.10 | dsirijus | so, i have this smartfox server (java server) which is self-contained... where would the proper place for it be on debian fs? |
| 14:06.11 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: but hey,at least i was right about it not being an nginx issue. :P |
| 14:06.25 | jargon- | erawfish_: valdyn: thanks for your help,tho. :-) |
| 14:06.55 | windparadise | I just created a new user now, |
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| 14:07.31 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: /usr/local/ or under /opt |
| 14:07.33 | erawfish_ | !fhs |
| 14:07.33 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 14:07.56 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: I'd put it under /opt/smartfox |
| 14:08.13 | dsirijus | erawfish_, thanks |
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| 14:13.52 | Guest68363 | hi all |
| 14:14.30 | Guest68363 | Can I install debian from DVD directly with XFCE window manager? |
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| 14:17.09 | bolt | Guest68363: just do a base install and add exactly what you want afterwards |
| 14:17.10 | erawfish_ | Guest68363: install debian from your DVD. In the installer don't install a "desktop environment" at the end. after the installation install xfce4 |
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| 14:17.32 | Guest68363 | from commandline |
| 14:17.37 | bolt | yap |
| 14:17.38 | erawfish_ | Guest68363: or you can install from CD1 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso here and get xfce4 via installer |
| 14:17.47 | Guest68363 | aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies? |
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| 14:18.00 | erawfish_ | Guest68363: throw in "xorg" to make sure |
| 14:18.14 | Guest68363 | aptitude install xorg xfce4 xfce4-goodies? |
| 14:18.18 | erawfish_ | yes |
| 14:18.19 | Guest68363 | it's ok? |
| 14:18.20 | _r00t_ | is installing kfreebsd but am gettint corrupt warning :/ |
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| 14:18.53 | Guest68363 | no I can't install without CD or DVD |
| 14:18.58 | _r00t_ | think I must have set up the network interface wrong |
| 14:19.04 | Guest68363 | because I have dinamic IP from RDS... |
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| 14:19.43 | Guest68363 | But I have 1-st DVD so I can manage... |
| 14:20.24 | tehrabbitt_work | hey, I'm trying to get a very simple bash script working but it says "unexpected (" every time I run it.. not exactly sure why... anyone care to take a look for me? |
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| 14:20.28 | _r00t_ | why did I choose the advanced install :/ |
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| 14:21.09 | Guest68363 | Thank's erawfish |
| 14:21.14 | Guest68363 | have a nice day all |
| 14:21.19 | tehrabbitt_work | this is the part of the script that is giving me headaches http://pastebin.com/VPDNzewy |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | tehrabbitt_work: probably better to ask #bash |
| 14:22.08 | tehrabbitt_work | alrighty abrotman |
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| 14:22.52 | _r00t_ | shoot me ... I've just remembered one thing.. kfreebsd is all good and well you nerd types but what will I do about nvidia drivers :( |
| 14:22.53 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: man interfaces? |
| 14:23.07 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: it's installing at the moment |
| 14:23.23 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: get a good videocard, go ati and use the opensource radeon drivers :P |
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| 14:23.59 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: heh ... thought nivida was better supported on linux. |
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| 14:24.09 | sickgut | what is a movie editor software that is good in debian? |
| 14:24.29 | sickgut | something that can do what ms movie maker does |
| 14:24.54 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: what do you run ? |
| 14:24.57 | go^ | Hello..what can I use in debian sid instead of GDM ? |
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| 14:25.22 | sickgut | xfce or jwm |
| 14:25.33 | sickgut | jwm and rox-filer or xfce |
| 14:25.41 | go^ | i use xfce |
| 14:26.00 | erawfish_ | for xfce you'd use xdm, slim, wdm, etc |
| 14:26.01 | go^ | and gnome-shell |
| 14:26.01 | _r00t_ | go^: do you mean desktop manager or windows manager |
| 14:26.24 | go^ | erawfish_, can't I use gdm ? uhm |
| 14:26.29 | gele | _r00t_: gdm is a display manager. |
| 14:26.38 | go^ | _r00t_, i need a session manager mm |
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| 14:26.49 | go^ | like gdm, xdm, wdm.. |
| 14:27.02 | j03 | Hi. Is is possible to monitor bandiwdth usage on a per-user basis? |
| 14:27.07 | go^ | (because i use gnome-shell, gnome-fallback and xfce) |
| 14:27.34 | _r00t_ | gele: I know ... was just verifying :p |
| 14:27.44 | bindi | do you guys know any geoip traceroute tool? graphical or not, I just want to see the countries the hop go through without geoiping stuff manually |
| 14:28.21 | tehrabbitt_work | Hm how do I change the default "sh" to "bash" just alias it? |
| 14:28.33 | tehrabbitt_work | when I run "sh" it seems it's not running as bash |
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| 14:28.43 | bindi | so run bash |
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| 14:28.50 | bindi | or what am I missing here |
| 14:29.04 | tehrabbitt_work | i mean how can I just set sh to use bash instead of whatever it is using currently' |
| 14:29.06 | _r00t_ | ps what boot loader does debian-6.0.3-kfreebsd-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1 install ? |
| 14:29.13 | tehrabbitt_work | or nvm |
| 14:29.15 | tehrabbitt_work | i think they're different |
| 14:29.25 | bindi | change your users default shell you mean? |
| 14:29.43 | go^ | ok..i'll use slim :) |
| 14:30.02 | bindi | chsh -s $(which bash) $USER |
| 14:30.16 | gele | bindi: i remember using a tool that displayed a 3d earth with the different hops of a traceroute positioned on it. don't remember what it was called though. |
| 14:30.34 | bindi | gele: xtraceroute, its been dropped from ubuntu repos atleast |
| 14:30.34 | jordanm | tehrabbitt_work: if you want to use bash specific features, to need to explicitly call bash. you should never rely on /bin/sh to be bash, and even when it is, it is ran in --posix mode which disables some features |
| 14:30.41 | gele | bindi: ah. |
| 14:30.42 | bindi | and i cant find anything else |
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| 14:31.45 | _r00t_ | Guys - what boot loader does debian-6.0.3-kfreebsd-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1 install ? Is it grub2 ? |
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| 14:32.10 | bindi | i'm finding posts about xtraceroute in 2001... lol |
| 14:32.16 | bindi | there has to be something that replaced it |
| 14:32.51 | jordanm | !tell _r00t_ about cd contents |
| 14:33.14 | jordanm | _r00t_: you can check which packages and bootloader is on the CD |
| 14:33.37 | jordanm | tehrabbitt_work: please do not cross-post |
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| 14:35.12 | bindi | gele: I actually found a GTK port (whatever that means) |
| 14:35.22 | bindi | aaand error |
| 14:35.34 | _r00t_ | jordanm: grub-common_1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1_kfreebsd-amd64.deb - thanks |
| 14:35.44 | _r00t_ | !what is squeeze |
| 14:35.45 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.3>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 14:36.17 | _r00t_ | !what is debian 5 |
| 14:36.17 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, _r00t_ |
| 14:36.39 | jordanm | !tell _r00t_ about lenny |
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| 14:36.57 | dsirijus | i need to open up a port for bidirectional via iptables, but don't get the syntax |
| 14:37.05 | _r00t_ | knows about lenny ... I used to administrate a cluster of them |
| 14:37.09 | dsirijus | -A OUTPUT -A INPUT will do? |
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| 14:38.02 | _r00t_ | !tell dsirijus about ipchains |
| 14:38.08 | dsirijus | or just do it two times once with -A OUTPUT and the second timne wihth -A INPUT? |
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| 14:38.31 | erawfish_ | !tell _r00t_ about msgthebot |
| 14:38.33 | _r00t_ | cool this bot is clever |
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| 14:38.44 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: thanks |
| 14:38.48 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: and ipchains is obsolete since linux 2.4 now |
| 14:39.00 | erawfish_ | rather, since linux 2.6.0 |
| 14:39.39 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: have you configured a packet filter? by default, no port is firewalled off in debian |
| 14:39.55 | dsirijus | erawfish_, yes, i've made it to drop all other |
| 14:40.08 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: LOL Now you see how long I've been using this crap |
| 14:40.14 | dsirijus | (i'm using ubuntu though, sorry) |
| 14:40.25 | dsirijus | (had issues with packages in debian squeeze last night) |
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| 14:41.16 | erawfish_ | !ubuntu |
| 14:41.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:41.36 | dsirijus | yeah, this basically is an iptables syntax question |
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| 14:41.54 | erawfish_ | dsirijus: we only support debian. please ask in #ubuntu or #linux |
| 14:41.58 | dsirijus | but i get it, will try on other channel |
| 14:42.02 | dsirijus | thanks |
| 14:42.12 | m8 | erawfish_, resolved wiped out debian nvidia stuff |
| 14:42.22 | m8 | and reinstalled nvidia drivers, thanks for the help! |
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| 14:42.25 | dsirijus | (i'd love to be up here though, in #ubuntu were jerks last time i was there :D ) |
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| 14:43.04 | boudiccas | dsirijus; sorry, we cant help you, nor help the calibre of the staff/volunteers in #ubuntu |
| 14:43.18 | _r00t_ | this reminds of installing redhat way back in the last millenium * tumbleweed |
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| 14:44.21 | babilen | dsirijus: Just install and use Debian and you are more than welcome here. But please respect that we *only* support Debian. |
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| 14:45.53 | caravel | Hi. « "only" support Debian » is quite an expression as a whole :D |
| 14:45.55 | _r00t_ | installer is stuck retrieving file 600 of 1046 ... I'm tempted to restart the computer and try the default installer... The default installer should give me the option of selecting which partition to install to right ? |
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| 14:46.58 | _r00t_ | sod it ... reset buton pressed - attempting default install |
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| 14:47.23 | caravel | _r00t_: that's part of the "Manual partitioning" option (I only used the expert install wth v6 so far, it's definitely in there, can't say for other modes) |
| 14:47.41 | _r00t_ | thanks caravel |
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| 14:49.59 | caravel | _r00t_: maybe the mirror failed ? expert install also provide an option to select mirrors |
| 14:50.16 | caravel | _r00t_: and maybe the default also, again I don't know |
| 14:50.33 | abrotman | dsirijus: there is a #netfilter for iptables questions |
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| 14:52.13 | _r00t_ | caravel: yes you're right .. this time I'm going to try for no mirror so it doesn't go out to internets |
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| 14:53.25 | b_jonas | isn't /usr/local/man supposed to be a symlink to /usr/local/share/man ? |
| 14:54.00 | _r00t_ | actually I do need the mirror .... whats the most relieve mirror in the uk to use ? |
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| 14:54.39 | _r00t_ | *reliable |
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| 14:55.58 | davidmogar | hello. I need to create a virtual machine to install a samba server. I´m searching for a good and minimal partitioning scheme. Could someone help me? |
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| 14:56.54 | petemc | davidmogar: one large / partition is about as minimal as you get |
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| 14:57.13 | babilen | _r00t_: ftp.uk is working pretty good (hands.com that is) -- ftp.ie is also working surprisingly well. Apart from that I'll typically end up using the one in Oxford as I get the best speed @uni |
| 14:57.18 | zealiod | when I run a non-interactive ssh command - I don't have access to all the environment vars I would have if I used an interactive bash - how can I fix this? |
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| 14:57.28 | davidmogar | petemc: do i need to separate tmp? |
| 14:57.43 | petemc | not necessarily |
| 14:58.12 | davidmogar | petemc: and how many memory do I need? |
| 14:58.12 | bolt | davidmogar: if you're just testing stuff, don't bother |
| 14:58.30 | petemc | davidmogar: how would i know what your needs are? |
| 14:58.46 | petemc | with memory, i apply the rule of "as much as possible" |
| 14:59.06 | _r00t_ | babilen: many thanks ... I'm sure that was the mirror I used :/ Doesn't anyone know if I can do a ctl-alt-f2 or similiar during the install process so I can check the net/interfaces ? |
| 14:59.07 | davidmogar | petemc: its only a samba server with about 1gb of tranfers each hour |
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| 14:59.27 | bolt | davidmogar: it will use as much as it gets, for disk cache if nothing else |
| 14:59.59 | bolt | davidmogar: just try something, depending on how much you have, and see how it works. it can be adjusted later in any decent vm tool |
| 15:00.14 | davidmogar | bolt: ok, thanks |
| 15:01.06 | _r00t_ | pah ... failed to copy file - just my luck |
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| 15:04.50 | C-boys | i have a package (libssh-dev) that needs to be updated to a newer version |
| 15:04.55 | C-boys | what is the fastest way I can do this? |
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| 15:07.11 | babilen | C-boys: Which version do you need and whatfor? |
| 15:07.15 | bolt | C-boys: depends entirely on which version of debian you're on, which version of libssh-dev you have, which one is in your repos and if you need a newer than that or not |
| 15:07.50 | konverguoju | hello everybody, just wanted to ask a short question? is everything that comes under debian by default open source? or just freeware? |
| 15:08.12 | babilen | konverguoju: Open source, see "/msg dpkg dfsg" for details |
| 15:08.24 | konverguoju | babilen: thank you |
| 15:08.37 | bluenemo | yes, unless you activate non-free in sources.list (right?) |
| 15:08.40 | __nolife | you can use "apt-get source" for all packages to get the source code |
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| 15:08.52 | __nolife | also non free I think, non free just means another type of license |
| 15:08.59 | bluenemo | ah ok thx |
| 15:09.04 | __nolife | but not sure on non free;) |
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| 15:09.26 | bluenemo | but for example with non free you can get prop drivers and stuff right? for those there wont be a source |
| 15:09.39 | bluenemo | s/a/the |
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| 15:09.57 | konverguoju | yeah, I think nvidia drivers are in non-free |
| 15:10.03 | konverguoju | the proprietary ones |
| 15:10.08 | bluenemo | jup |
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| 15:10.31 | babilen | bluenemo: Yes -- Read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html - 2.2.3 The non-free archive area |
| 15:10.47 | windparadise | hello, pls I add a user via adduser, how do I edit the added user or remove it ? |
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| 15:11.09 | bluenemo | userdel, edit depends on what you want to edit |
| 15:11.38 | babilen | *deluser (friendlier) |
| 15:11.40 | bluenemo | there was a difference between deluser and userdel (that i dont quite know) |
| 15:11.46 | bluenemo | ah ok |
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| 15:12.28 | babilen | bluenemo: deluser is a "friendlier front-end" to userdel (same as adduser/useradd) -- It automates a few more things .. |
| 15:12.57 | bluenemo | ah ok yes thats what i thought. red it once somewehre and since then used what i thought of first.. |
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| 15:31.10 | nrdb_armv5tel | hi, I have what I think might be a problem... when I do the command "modprobe aes", it fails.... what file should this load. |
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| 15:31.49 | petemc | nrdb_armv5tel: modprobe -l | grep aes |
| 15:31.52 | zamba | i want to set a server in pure-utc |
| 15:31.54 | zamba | how do i do that? |
| 15:32.01 | zamba | i only get a selection of different continents |
| 15:32.02 | zamba | i want UTC |
| 15:32.11 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 15:32.11 | dpkg | To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>. |
| 15:32.21 | zamba | !utc |
| 15:32.22 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). Set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs), then run "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart" to apply. |
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| 15:32.43 | zamba | yeah, it's set to UTC |
| 15:32.49 | zamba | but the system time is not running in UTC |
| 15:32.52 | SuperNull | !zombies |
| 15:32.52 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 15:32.58 | zamba | !ntp |
| 15:32.58 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 15:32.59 | SuperNull | oh man thats funny i didnt even mean that. |
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| 15:33.04 | SuperNull | !vampires |
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| 15:33.17 | SuperNull | !banana_phone |
| 15:33.35 | babilen | SuperNull: Stop playing with the bot. You can "/msg dpkg vampires" if you really need to. |
| 15:34.51 | nrdb_armv5tel | petemc, that give me nothing. |
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| 15:35.23 | petemc | then you would appear to have no aes modules available |
| 15:36.31 | nrdb_armv5tel | petemc, oh that is a problem... |
| 15:36.33 | tehrabbitt_work | is postfix still the best email server to use in debian? |
| 15:36.54 | petemc | tehrabbitt_work: postfix is popular and works well for many people |
| 15:36.54 | tehrabbitt_work | for sending emails via bash scripts |
| 15:37.01 | tehrabbitt_work | hm alrighty |
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| 15:45.05 | nrdb_armv5tel | petemc, that could be why dm_crypt isn't working |
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| 15:48.32 | zamba | what's the debian package that provides the graphical environment? |
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| 15:49.01 | zamba | during install you are prompted which packages you want to install and one of the sections is "graphical environment" or similar.. how can i install that afterwards? |
| 15:49.02 | tehrabbitt_work | how can I echo out to a log file? |
| 15:49.07 | boudiccas | zamba; which graphical environment? |
| 15:49.14 | zamba | boudiccas: the default |
| 15:49.27 | erawfish_ | zamba: install xorg |
| 15:49.35 | babilen | zamba: Which graphical environment? You might be thinking of Xorg though. "/msg dpkg install" tells you how to install that. Ask dpkg about <install gnome> to learn how to install the default desktop environment |
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| 15:49.49 | zamba | babilen: default desktop environment is probably what i'm looking for, yeah |
| 15:49.50 | erawfish_ | and desktop environment would be gnome, xfce4, kde or lxde |
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| 15:49.57 | babilen | zamba: Errm, "/msg dpkg install x" that is :) |
| 15:50.35 | erawfish_ | zamba: or you could simply run "tasksel" and you get the exact same menu again |
| 15:50.35 | D5 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSrMZkEcsQY&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
| 15:51.00 | erawfish_ | D5: do not spam |
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| 15:51.13 | D5 | sry |
| 15:51.20 | zamba | erawfish_: ah, sweet.. that's exactly what i wanted |
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| 15:53.24 | _r00t_ | !hurd |
| 15:53.25 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not officially released), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:56.02 | _r00t_ | what instances would I need to use hurd |
| 15:56.22 | petemc | if you want to tinker with a half working kernel |
| 15:56.44 | _r00t_ | it looks interesting |
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| 15:57.42 | sbarcteam | hi. |
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| 15:58.05 | _r00t_ | sbarcteam: hi |
| 15:58.07 | sbarcteam | is there a documentation on how to determine what VERSION of specific kernel module is shipped with specific linux-image package ? |
| 15:58.25 | sbarcteam | (except installing that kernel and trying to run it...) |
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| 15:58.51 | raven | pvcreate problem - possible that a previous lvm setup denies me to initiate the drive for another? how to delete that config on the drive? |
| 15:59.13 | sbarcteam | hm.... |
| 15:59.20 | _r00t_ | hmmmmmmmm |
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| 15:59.35 | valdyn | raven: run "vgs" and you will see if theres anything that could prevent you |
| 16:00.00 | fishsponge | hey people - two questions... does debian for SPARC still exist and fully updated? ...and can I search the debian software SPARC repo for packages? |
| 16:00.18 | raven | valdyn, yes |
| 16:00.34 | petemc | fishsponge: did you look on debian.org ? |
| 16:00.39 | valdyn | raven: so? whats the result? |
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| 16:01.11 | fishsponge | looking on debian.org now... i can see that it still exists for sparc, but can't find a way to search the SPARC software repo |
| 16:01.15 | fishsponge | petemc, ^^ |
| 16:01.17 | raven | valdyn, that i now hopefully found out what is going on here - it was signed with the old lv |
| 16:01.22 | sbarcteam | fishsponge, http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/#status |
| 16:01.27 | valdyn | fishsponge: www.debian.org has releases and supported architectures listed |
| 16:01.44 | petemc | fishsponge: packages.debian.org |
| 16:02.13 | raven | valdyn, but vgremove does not solve that how to delete the flags on the disk? |
| 16:02.28 | valdyn | raven: what is listed on "vgs" ? |
| 16:02.50 | sbarcteam | fishsponge, look for sparc images. I think they contain both 32 and 64 kernels. |
| 16:02.52 | fishsponge | wow... it appears that even an obscure package like "keepassx" is ported over to SPARC! |
| 16:03.02 | fishsponge | does anyone here actually use keepassx, btw? |
| 16:03.06 | Pici | keepassx isn't that obscure |
| 16:03.10 | jklo | Hello people. I have one debian machine with 2 desktop users and one external hard drive. Both users would like to use the hard drive but only the first one who plugs it in has access to it. What can I do? Plug in and out everytime is uncomfortable. |
| 16:03.19 | sbarcteam | fishsponge, go and install your sparc machine, and stop bugging people. |
| 16:03.30 | valdyn | raven: i ask very simple questions, if you cant answer those i have a hard time helping you |
| 16:03.39 | themill | dpkg: tell fishsponge about popcon |
| 16:03.55 | fishsponge | thanks, sbarcteam... more difficult than that... i can't reinstall onto the sparc machines without knowing it'll definitely work. we don't have a test box and can't erase what's there without being sure. |
| 16:04.07 | fishsponge | themill, thanks |
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| 16:05.15 | sbarcteam | fishsponge, if you can't erase can mean one thing: the data is not that important to have a backup of it. |
| 16:05.17 | daniel | sbarcteam: linux is very slow on 32bit sparcs.. just incase you didnt know. |
| 16:05.20 | sbarcteam | so go and wipe it out. |
| 16:05.28 | daniel | sbarcteam: sorry, that was for fishsponge |
| 16:05.33 | sbarcteam | daniel, sometimes slow is still good. |
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| 16:05.50 | fishsponge | we have a Netra t1 105... no idea what architecture it is yet, for whether it's 32 or 64 bit... trying to look that up now. |
| 16:05.50 | raven | valdyn, query |
| 16:05.53 | valdyn | raven: the proper way to paste is *not* using /msg, but using a pastebin. However i read it |
| 16:06.05 | valdyn | raven: run "pvs" instead |
| 16:06.31 | cantido | fishsponge: I think that is probably a 64bit machine, I dont think there were any 32bit "netras", could be wrong |
| 16:06.34 | sbarcteam | t1 usually has niagara based cpu. |
| 16:06.35 | raven | valdyn, pvs same output |
| 16:06.42 | sbarcteam | if my sclerosis doesn't fail me. |
| 16:06.51 | fishsponge | cantido, that's what I thought... hard to look up specs like that now |
| 16:06.53 | valdyn | raven: that should not give exactly the same output |
| 16:06.59 | fishsponge | also trying to find out if it's sun4u, sun4v or something else! |
| 16:07.04 | cantido | wonders whats wrong with solaris |
| 16:07.11 | raven | valdyn, its similar |
| 16:07.16 | sbarcteam | cantido, good point ;-) |
| 16:07.22 | raven | very similar |
| 16:07.32 | fishsponge | cantido, nothing is wrong with solaris... we love it, but we need a secure password management program, and solaris doesn't appear to have one. |
| 16:07.33 | sbarcteam | probably porting time is too expensive of something they've got for linux. |
| 16:07.37 | valdyn | raven: use a paste site |
| 16:07.51 | sbarcteam | fishsponge, gnome has a gnome-keyring. is it not secure enough ? |
| 16:08.02 | cantido | fishsponge: most linux stuff with compile with GCC on solaris .. |
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| 16:08.18 | cantido | moving os for a keychain app seems OTT |
| 16:08.18 | fishsponge | sbarcteam, no idea... never used gnome-keyring... we'd need to install gnome for that to work though, and we don't have a lot of disk space in these netras... |
| 16:08.36 | fishsponge | can I just SSH into the PC with X11 tunnelled and type "gnome-keyring" ? |
| 16:08.44 | fishsponge | s/PC/solaris box/ |
| 16:08.48 | sbarcteam | I don't understand what do you mean by "secure paassword management" |
| 16:09.09 | petemc | managing passwords, securely |
| 16:09.11 | cantido | would be surprised if 90% of userland apps didn't just work on solaris, freebsd etc |
| 16:09.13 | raven | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/YbrM2HuK |
| 16:09.15 | fishsponge | our IT team has too many passwords to remember. we currently keep them in our fire safe, written down, but we want to make this electronic and as un-hackable as possible. |
| 16:09.32 | tensorpudding | lol |
| 16:09.42 | tensorpudding | seriously? |
| 16:09.45 | sbarcteam | fishsponge, you are funny!!!! |
| 16:09.49 | fishsponge | opening a file in vi, even with vi encryption and saving it to the hard drive in our server room is not enough. we need decent encryption too. |
| 16:09.52 | fishsponge | funny? |
| 16:10.04 | tensorpudding | maybe you should invest in a password manager |
| 16:10.06 | cantido | fishsponge: gpg |
| 16:10.24 | fishsponge | yes, seriously. we did not used to have too many passwords, but we are growing in size (as a company) with more and more requirements, more and more servers, more and more departments etc, etc... passwords are becoming unmanageable. |
| 16:10.27 | cantido | fishsponge: there are some command line only wallet apps.. |
| 16:10.42 | valdyn | raven: whats the output for "vgremove homelvm" ? |
| 16:10.51 | raven | valdyn, "not found" |
| 16:10.53 | tensorpudding | what are you using all these passwords for? |
| 16:10.54 | fishsponge | someone please tell me what's so funny about our situation... |
| 16:10.54 | cantido | fishsponge: you dont have an excel worksheet that you give to everyone on their first day? |
| 16:10.57 | fishsponge | is confused! |
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| 16:11.10 | tensorpudding | if it's for logins, maybe you should use LDAP/Kerberos |
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| 16:11.52 | valdyn | raven: "vgreduce --removemissing homelvm" |
| 16:11.53 | cantido | or some postit notes |
| 16:11.56 | fishsponge | cantido, very funny... you mean a worksheet full of passwords? no. we're an IT team of two people, with 300 machines, each for different departments, one running primarily windows, one running linux, another mixed, each with various different systems etc... just too many passwords |
| 16:12.15 | tensorpudding | use LDAP/Kerberos |
| 16:12.24 | raven | valdyn, "Volume group "homelvm" not found" |
| 16:12.40 | tensorpudding | it works with heterogeneous networks |
| 16:12.41 | cantido | fishsponge: a place I worked had tons of machines.. running thousands of $ per hour apps... all the passwords were in an excel sheet |
| 16:12.53 | cantido | fishsponge: no pubkey authentication there hahahaa |
| 16:12.58 | valdyn | raven: "vgchange -ay; vgreduce --removemissing homelvm" |
| 16:13.18 | raven | valdyn, same output |
| 16:13.23 | valdyn | raven: ok |
| 16:13.26 | fishsponge | the company we work for is very security conscious, so laptops that go out the building have a different Administrator password to laptops that stay in. desktops have a different Administrator password again. linux boxes have a different one, depending on department. the ordering system has a different one, the accounting system another. phone system has another, switches have another. and the list goes on... |
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| 16:13.35 | raven | valdyn, where is that old message stored? option to wipe mbr when its there? |
| 16:13.38 | valdyn | raven: do you know which disk or partition still has the homelvm label on it? |
| 16:13.53 | valdyn | raven: its not stored on the mbr |
| 16:13.53 | raven | valdyn, yes its the sdb |
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| 16:14.02 | raven | valdyn, partition table? |
| 16:14.03 | cantido | fishsponge: apt-cache show keepass2 -- seems to be a wallet thing, and considering it works on windows, I would guess it will work on solaris |
| 16:14.11 | valdyn | raven: sdb or sdb1 ? |
| 16:14.17 | erawfish_ | cantido: afaik java based, so yes |
| 16:14.23 | cantido | putting all of your passwords in one place would be a bad idea IMHO |
| 16:14.38 | petemc | upload them to dropbox, sorted! |
| 16:14.41 | erawfish_ | cantido: I was wrong mono/net |
| 16:14.47 | erawfish_ | petemc: win! |
| 16:14.59 | raven | valdyn, i created new partition tables several times, made new partitions on it and erased it but this info is still there so where is it saved???? |
| 16:15.11 | tensorpudding | fishsponge, there is a technical solution to this problem that doesn't involve writing down all the passwords |
| 16:15.17 | valdyn | raven: its irrelevant where exactly its saved |
| 16:15.23 | erawfish_ | raven: probably between the MBR and the start of the partition |
| 16:15.28 | valdyn | raven: is it sdb or sdb1 ? |
| 16:15.44 | cantido | tensorpudding: deploying ldap in a existing setup of 300 machines is not going to be fun |
| 16:15.58 | tensorpudding | cantido, well, yes |
| 16:15.58 | cantido | why someone setup 300 machines without thinking about this stuff is anyones guess though |
| 16:16.04 | raven | valdyn, no it is not because then i can wipe that place. valdyn i think i made it the whole disk without partition before so sdb |
| 16:16.15 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, i know... and that's what i'm trying to find. |
| 16:16.17 | tensorpudding | usually people don't hack together a network like this without planning ahead for these kinds of problems |
| 16:16.17 | valdyn | raven: ok, run "pvremove /dev/sdb" |
| 16:16.20 | tensorpudding | but as i said |
| 16:16.23 | tensorpudding | short-term solution |
| 16:16.34 | tensorpudding | give every user's workstation a password manager |
| 16:16.59 | fishsponge | the thing is though... as the company is so security conscious, the system that houses these passwords needs to be automatically updated. we don't have the time to do it manually, so this effectively means putting apt-get in cron (or more gracefully than that) followed by a reboot each day or week. this cannot easily be done on solaris, I don't think. |
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| 16:17.32 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, we don't just deal with workstations... we deal with servers, switches, phone systems, firewalls, laptops... |
| 16:17.34 | raven | valdyn, ok..... No physical volume label read from /dev/sdb |
| 16:17.44 | cantido | so security conscious, .. this effectively means putting apt-get in cron .. I can see this going very wrong |
| 16:17.44 | valdyn | raven: so it was not sdb |
| 16:17.54 | tensorpudding | fishsponge, and every user needs physical access to all of these things? |
| 16:18.00 | fishsponge | and we haven't hacked together this network... we were multiple smaller companies which have merged into one. hence one side using windows, another using linux, different security here there and everywhere. |
| 16:18.07 | tensorpudding | fishsponge, they can't, you know, remote into it? |
| 16:18.15 | fishsponge | so until we have time to fix the crap network, we need a password management solution. |
| 16:18.21 | raven | valdyn, and pvremove -ff /dev/sdb1 gives me that: Can't open /dev/sdb1 exclusively - not removing. Mounted filesystem? |
| 16:18.22 | tensorpudding | i mean, most all of those are things with, at best, a system console |
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| 16:18.38 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, no, the users can remember their passwords... the problem is myself and my colleague remembering all the admin/root passwords for everything. |
| 16:18.48 | valdyn | raven: paste your output for "df -a" too |
| 16:18.56 | tensorpudding | SSH keys would solve your issue for those machines |
| 16:19.27 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, we already use SSH keys, but we cannot put SSH keys on our switches, firewalls, printers even! |
| 16:19.39 | raven | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/XgqF115Q |
| 16:19.39 | tensorpudding | why not? |
| 16:19.53 | boudiccas | fishsponge; use a spreadsheet |
| 16:19.54 | tensorpudding | are they not running actual SSH? |
| 16:20.03 | fishsponge | boudiccas, we can't use a spreadsheet - way too insecure. |
| 16:20.05 | cantido | fishsponge: if its only you and one other guy,.. what is the massive issue? |
| 16:20.21 | tensorpudding | maybe you should use a password manager |
| 16:20.23 | cantido | fishsponge: get a password manager that works on both of your workstations, and use it |
| 16:20.24 | valdyn | raven: "/etc/init.d/lvm stop; pvremove /dev/sdb1" |
| 16:20.36 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, our printers are not running SSH. our switches are. linux servers are. windows servers are not. accounting database is not. ordering system database is not. mysql database is not. |
| 16:20.41 | valdyn | raven: err: "/etc/init.d/lvm2 stop; pvremove /dev/sdb1" |
| 16:20.41 | fishsponge | only some things are running ssh. |
| 16:20.53 | tensorpudding | you can put ssh on most of them |
| 16:21.04 | cantido | tensorpudding: on printers? |
| 16:21.11 | tensorpudding | maybe not printers |
| 16:21.18 | valdyn | raven: err, hold on, youre going to fuck up things |
| 16:21.21 | tensorpudding | but what kind of admin work are you doing on printers |
| 16:21.28 | raven | valdyn, not possible because the swystem is running on lvm |
| 16:21.29 | fishsponge | cantido, ideally we want a password manager that works on one machine (so it's stored centrally) that we can both access. but this PC cannot be in our office cos the cleaner could just take it home and spend weeks trying to hack it. |
| 16:21.29 | valdyn | raven: sdb1 might be member of srv-system |
| 16:21.34 | tensorpudding | what kind of printer do you have that has a root password? |
| 16:21.36 | valdyn | raven: excellent |
| 16:21.36 | raven | valdyn, no it is not |
| 16:21.37 | fishsponge | it must be in the server room, which means it must be on a server. |
| 16:21.47 | valdyn | raven: how would you know that? |
| 16:21.49 | cantido | fishsponge: why would you put it on one machine |
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| 16:22.00 | tensorpudding | god |
| 16:22.02 | tensorpudding | so what you're saying is |
| 16:22.15 | erawfish_ | tensorpudding: OT but too good not to spam: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Killing-Job.aspx |
| 16:22.21 | tensorpudding | that any machine that contains things equivalent to passwords cannot be anything less than completely inaccessible? |
| 16:22.21 | raven | raven, because i did not ad it to srv lvm - its a disk that was not plugged in to that moment i did it |
| 16:22.22 | erawfish_ | tensorpudding: that's what you do on printers |
| 16:22.36 | fishsponge | keepassx seems to be the best solution we've found so far, but putting it on a virtual machine isn't an option because if someone hacks ESXi they could just FTP themselves a copy of the hard drive, so it needs to be on a physical PC, hence why I suggested our two reliable Sun Netra t1 105 boxes... perhaps running debian! lol |
| 16:22.36 | cantido | fishsponge: google "password manager", install it .. share the keychain with your other admin and get on with life |
| 16:22.57 | fishsponge | cantido, it'll go on two machines, or a single machine that's RAID'd and backed up etc... |
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| 16:23.14 | valdyn | raven: disk device names like sdb are not static, they can change between reboots |
| 16:23.34 | fishsponge | cantido, not that easy... we need to know what encryption method is uses to run it past management (as i said - very security conscious here), we need to declare to management that we believe it is as secure as possible |
| 16:23.36 | fishsponge | etc, etc. |
| 16:23.38 | valdyn | raven: run "pvdisplay /dev/sdb1" |
| 16:23.40 | raven | valdyn, it is not the physical drive |
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| 16:24.03 | fishsponge | this is a bit of a nightmare... |
| 16:24.11 | cantido | fishsponge: if you read the docs for "insert password manager here" it will tell you "what the encryption is" |
| 16:24.28 | cantido | fishsponge: mostly likely it will use something like gpg as its backend |
| 16:24.31 | raven | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/vq0fGbNV |
| 16:24.42 | fishsponge | most people would just get a password manager app and install it. or just "fix" the network to have fewer passwords. our network will *never* have fewer passwords. In fact, soon it will have more, so "fixing" it is not an option. |
| 16:25.21 | valdyn | raven: ok, this is very annoying that your old vg is incomplete |
| 16:25.22 | cantido | if you're deploying more machines, why not deploy LDAP? |
| 16:25.26 | tensorpudding | unless you're restricting physical access to these devices |
| 16:25.27 | fishsponge | cantido, I agree - finding out the right package isn't tough. but we need it to auto-update so make sure we're on the latest version at all times so exploits known to exist in older versions are still sitting on our machine. |
| 16:25.33 | fishsponge | on solaris, we cannot easily update the OS automatically. |
| 16:25.41 | raven | valdyn, but ther must be a way to wipe the disk headers! |
| 16:25.42 | cantido | fishsponge: you dont want auto updates |
| 16:25.44 | tensorpudding | it doesn't matter |
| 16:25.54 | valdyn | raven: you dont get it do you |
| 16:25.57 | tensorpudding | people with physical access are going to be able to subvert your password |
| 16:26.00 | valdyn | raven: its not about disk headers at all |
| 16:26.13 | fishsponge | cantido, we do want auto-updates. if an exploit exists in version 10, let's say, and version 11 comes out to fix it, but we're still on version 10, then it could easily be hacked. |
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| 16:26.22 | raven | valdyn, it IS because this system cannot know anything about the old setup it is a NEW system |
| 16:26.27 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, people will not have physical access. it will locked in our server room. |
| 16:26.28 | tensorpudding | you want automatic notification of updates |
| 16:26.32 | raven | valdyn, the only permanent is the disk drive |
| 16:26.35 | tensorpudding | but you'll want a human to verify those updates |
| 16:26.43 | cantido | fishsponge: and if someone exploits your auto updates to install an "update"? |
| 16:26.55 | tensorpudding | fishsponge, why does any of this matter if the devices that are secured are in a secured room? |
| 16:27.01 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, notification is great, but with 2 people and 300 machines we're too busy to deal with yet more notifications, so until we have more time or headcount we need auto-updates. |
| 16:27.08 | fishsponge | if it breaks the system, we'll restore it from backup. |
| 16:27.20 | cantido | fishsponge: or less serious, the update cant be automated and it breaks until someone can come and clean it up |
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| 16:27.21 | valdyn | raven: "ls -l /etc/lvm/backup/" |
| 16:27.22 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, because you talked about "physical access" |
| 16:27.28 | tensorpudding | it sounds like you need management to hire more people |
| 16:27.37 | tensorpudding | you don't have the manpower to properly administer your machines |
| 16:27.44 | dsirijus | sorry, i cannot get help in #ubuntu nor #ubuntu-server, so i'll try here |
| 16:27.48 | dsirijus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.52 | valdyn | raven: can you reboot this system once? |
| 16:27.54 | tensorpudding | maybe if your network weren't heterogenous you can have some kind of automation |
| 16:27.55 | fishsponge | cantido, i realise there are pros and cons to auto-updates versus auto-update-notification, but debian updates have never broken anything for me, so I do trust them. |
| 16:27.56 | dsirijus | i cannot telnet to 8080, 9933 or 9399 |
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| 16:28.03 | raven | valdyn, yes |
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| 16:28.16 | cantido | fishsponge: you're a sysadmin? |
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| 16:28.20 | erawfish_ | !tell dsirijus about they don't know |
| 16:28.23 | valdyn | raven: show me result of that ls command |
| 16:28.29 | raven | -rw------- 1 root root 1677 31. Okt 02:42 srv |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | raven: ok |
| 16:28.36 | valdyn | raven: good |
| 16:29.33 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, we do need more people, but there's no budget at the moment. so we do the best we can with what little time we have! we have plans to split our network into smaller subnets perhaps, with one centralised auth system, and fewer systems to manage, but we don't have the time to research, let alone implement, such company-wide solutions! |
| 16:29.37 | fishsponge | we spend our days firefighting. |
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| 16:29.57 | fishsponge | cantido, yep - sysadmin by day, anyway... |
| 16:30.02 | tensorpudding | i don't see what's wrong with your current solution w.r.t. passwords then |
| 16:30.06 | fishsponge | cantido, how'd ya guess :-) |
| 16:30.08 | cantido | fishsponge: install sudo, copy your pubkey to machine.. no more per-machine passwords |
| 16:30.08 | tensorpudding | carry them on your person |
| 16:30.17 | tensorpudding | put them on your phone |
| 16:30.44 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, can't carry them on my person - paper might get lost, might accidentally take it home. if I accidentally drop it on the floor and someone gives it back to me, all passwords will need to be changed. |
| 16:30.53 | tensorpudding | is this a huge problem? |
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| 16:30.55 | fishsponge | my phone is not a company phone, so company passwords cannot go on it. |
| 16:30.58 | valdyn | raven: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=20" ( mind, you shouldnt have data you need on that disk, and im still checking if this is correct for latest lvm ) |
| 16:31.02 | jklo | hello awesome people. if i plug in my external hard drive i become automatically the owner of that harddrive, but a special group should become automatically the owner. how can i change that? |
| 16:31.07 | cantido | fishsponge: encrypted usb flash.. yay |
| 16:31.14 | raven | valdyn, i did already |
| 16:31.15 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, it is a huge problem because we cannot remember the passwords right now and keep having to go to the fire safe to look them up |
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| 16:31.34 | valdyn | raven: and? |
| 16:31.35 | tensorpudding | the paranoia of this piece of equipment getting stolen from your person is really weird |
| 16:31.49 | fishsponge | cantido, encrypted USB flash not a good idea because it won't work well in my colleagues Win7 PC *and* my debian PC. |
| 16:31.54 | tensorpudding | is getting pickpocketed while doing admin tasks that much of a danger? |
| 16:31.57 | fishsponge | we have some already, but they don't work in linux... |
| 16:31.57 | raven | valdyn, what to do next? |
| 16:31.59 | tensorpudding | why not have multiple safes |
| 16:32.08 | jordanm | fishsponge: there are password management applications such as keepass |
| 16:32.10 | valdyn | raven: reboot |
| 16:32.17 | tensorpudding | with multiple phones |
| 16:32.21 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, pick-pocketing unlikely, but paper dropping out of pocket onto floor while at someone's desk or in corridor is big problem. |
| 16:32.37 | fishsponge | jordanm, already found keepassx... been discussing it already :-) |
| 16:32.41 | jhutchins_lt2 | fishsponge: If you're running windows all this password nonsense is futile anyway. |
| 16:32.46 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, safes are not cheap. company has no money. |
| 16:32.49 | tensorpudding | fishsponge, you don't need to take it with you |
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| 16:32.55 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, multiple phones?!? |
| 16:32.56 | tensorpudding | just put it in the server room |
| 16:33.06 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 16:33.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | fishsponge: Pretty obvious why company has no money - idiots are running it. |
| 16:33.12 | raven | valdyn, ok just a moment |
| 16:33.20 | fishsponge | we cannot go to the server room every time we need a password... that's just as bad as going to the fire safe every time we need a password! lol |
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| 16:33.44 | fishsponge | jhutchins, well, this company is financed by the head office who give us a budget each year... we do with it what we can. |
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| 16:33.51 | valdyn | raven: so im not finding anything else, and what i found sais the metadata is on the 2nd 512 bytes on disk or partition |
| 16:33.56 | iman | as far as using alt+f2 in run application, where should I declare application path which alt+f runnig it ? |
| 16:34.16 | fishsponge | jhutchins_lt2, ^^ and also, it's not that simple... we're an R&D company... not sales/profit |
| 16:34.29 | fishsponge | anyway... have to head off soon... |
| 16:34.40 | jhutchins_lt2 | fishsponge: http://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 16:34.57 | tensorpudding | fishsponge, so let me get this straight |
| 16:35.01 | jhutchins_lt2 | fishsponge: Need to direct some research toward intelligent security and password management. |
| 16:35.13 | tensorpudding | you need to administer to hundreds of devices in insecure territory |
| 16:35.22 | fishsponge | jhutchins_lt2, already seen that... we use that method already to make memorable passwords, but there are just too many of them. |
| 16:35.22 | tensorpudding | without having any password on your person |
| 16:35.29 | tensorpudding | and each device having a different password? |
| 16:35.46 | tensorpudding | there isn't a solution to this problem |
| 16:35.52 | valdyn | fishsponge: why are you even using passwords? |
| 16:35.52 | tensorpudding | the solution is to have never gotten into this situation |
| 16:35.53 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, effectively, yes... ...i think... |
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| 16:36.13 | tensorpudding | i mean, what does it even matter |
| 16:36.20 | raven | valdyn, ok pvcreate /dev/sdb gives still Can't open /dev/sdb exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
| 16:36.24 | fishsponge | valdyn, we are using passwords because we have to. we cannot use keys for things like printers, mysql, accounting databases, full disk encryption etc... |
| 16:36.29 | tensorpudding | someone can eavesdrop you typing the password |
| 16:36.37 | tensorpudding | or even put a physical keylogger on the keyboard |
| 16:36.52 | fishsponge | tensorpudding, we got into this situation my merging multiple separately networked sites into 1 and then consolidating the IT team into one, slightly smaller one. |
| 16:37.08 | fishsponge | true... but we have to do the best we can. |
| 16:37.11 | valdyn | raven: what is "pvs" giving now? |
| 16:37.20 | valdyn | raven: or vgs |
| 16:37.25 | fishsponge | keylogger on the keyboard we cannot work around. most things are done remotely from my own PC though, and i'd probably notice. |
| 16:37.41 | fishsponge | anyway... got to go... thanks for the help guys... i guess i'll see how this all pans out |
| 16:37.43 | tensorpudding | if that's the case, then why do you need the password paper |
| 16:37.53 | tensorpudding | just handle it securely from your workstation |
| 16:37.57 | raven | valdyn, both do not show anything about the old lvgroup any more |
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| 16:38.25 | raven | valdyn, lsof | grep sdb gives me anything with /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so |
| 16:38.27 | valdyn | raven: so that part is fixed.. |
| 16:38.43 | valdyn | raven: the word is "something", not "anything" |
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| 16:39.08 | valdyn | raven: that may be a subtle difference to you, but it confuses the hell out of me |
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| 16:39.17 | raven | ok |
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| 16:39.24 | jhutchins_lt2 | fishsponge: Please be sure to check the link above. |
| 16:39.26 | valdyn | raven: kill the offending process |
| 16:39.38 | raven | valdyn, what is this gvfs |
| 16:39.41 | valdyn | raven: ( dont use kill -9, just "kill" is ok |
| 16:40.04 | valdyn | raven: its gnomes system to deal with removable media |
| 16:40.18 | fishsponge | jhutchins_lt2, already seen the link... how to make easy-to-remember passwords... we already do this, but there are just too many. |
| 16:40.33 | fishsponge | we have maybe 50-70 passwords at the moment and there will be more soon. |
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| 16:40.37 | valdyn | raven: its nothing you need before your system is not completely setup anyway |
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| 16:40.50 | fishsponge | all of them easy to remember individually, but remembering which one is for which device/system is impossible. |
| 16:41.01 | fishsponge | we also use some of them so rarely that we can't remember them |
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| 16:41.25 | valdyn | fishsponge: at which point is the password supposed to be exposed? |
| 16:41.51 | raven | valdyn, i killed gvfsd but it is still in lsof |
| 16:41.55 | fishsponge | it's exposed to my eyes when I authenticate into the password management system |
| 16:42.04 | erawfish_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.09 | valdyn | raven: lsof gives you a process id, no? |
| 16:42.17 | erawfish_ | bad paste, sorry |
| 16:42.24 | valdyn | raven: kill that process id, if that does not help, kill the parent process |
| 16:42.31 | raven | valdyn, ok sry i did it with pidof |
| 16:42.55 | valdyn | raven: these processes are probably automatically restarted when they die |
| 16:43.09 | valdyn | raven: its possible that you should log out of gnome and completely kill that user |
| 16:43.24 | valdyn | raven: ( i use "slay" for that ) |
| 16:43.45 | raven | valdyn, now lsof is empty but it is still not possible to pvcreate |
| 16:43.50 | valdyn | raven: to pvcreate on what? |
| 16:43.54 | raven | sdb |
| 16:43.56 | valdyn | raven: the partition? |
| 16:44.03 | raven | disk... |
| 16:44.05 | fishsponge | valdyn, ^^ |
| 16:44.07 | valdyn | raven: please create a partition |
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| 16:44.12 | raven | oh |
| 16:44.21 | valdyn | raven: lvm on raw disk is a bad idea for some reasons |
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| 16:44.35 | valdyn | fishsponge: i see |
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| 16:44.59 | valdyn | fishsponge: so you could just aswell store that p/w list in plain or a gpg crypted plain text file |
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| 16:45.18 | valdyn | fishsponge: then i dont get what you need |
| 16:45.23 | jklo | hello nice people. i have a portable external hard drive. i'd like to configure automount so that a special group becomes the owner when i plug it in. how can i do that? thank you very much. |
| 16:46.02 | andornaut | a dist-upgrade on wheezy just failed. Seems i hit a bug where git cannot be upgraded because it hits BTRFS' max number of links: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642603 Not sure how to get around this? I tried moving /usr/lib/git-core to an ext4 partition and then symlinking it, but that didn't work. Any ideas? |
| 16:46.05 | raven | valdyn, dos partition or sun |
| 16:46.10 | gusryfeld | You write an udev rule, jklo. |
| 16:46.30 | valdyn | raven: is that a pc? |
| 16:47.03 | raven | sunlabel 8e? |
| 16:47.05 | raven | lvm? |
| 16:47.25 | valdyn | raven: if it is a pc, just create a dos partition |
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| 16:47.35 | valdyn | raven: if its not a pc, then i dont know |
| 16:48.11 | erawfish_ | gusryfeld: the automounter (whichever he uses) uses udev? |
| 16:48.19 | jklo | gusryfeld: the name of the hard drive is volume and the special group is "eltern" (german word for parents). can you paste the command? |
| 16:48.20 | raven | valdyn, pvcreate -ff /dev/sdb1 Can't open /dev/sdb1 exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
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| 16:48.48 | valdyn | raven: oh geez |
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| 16:49.07 | raven | i am going to get a heave headache because of that..... |
| 16:49.11 | tehrabbitt_work | how can I send a simple email from a bash script using sendmail (postfix backend) |
| 16:49.18 | tehrabbitt_work | I tried doing -s for subject but it fails |
| 16:49.26 | valdyn | raven: lsof gives nothing now? |
| 16:49.36 | raven | valdyn, no |
| 16:49.37 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt_work: use the "mail" command from eg. bsd-mailx package |
| 16:49.41 | gusryfeld | erawfish_ Most likely. |
| 16:49.42 | tehrabbitt_work | sendmail "Subject Here" tehrabbitt@tehrabbitt.com < dev/sanity.sh |
| 16:49.52 | tehrabbitt_work | jelly-home: I can use that with postfix? |
| 16:49.55 | valdyn | raven: double negation is a yes? |
| 16:49.59 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt_work: echo test | mail -s 'subject here' recipient@example.com |
| 16:49.59 | fishsponge | valdyn, does gpg use whatever encryption algorithm we want, or it's own one? |
| 16:50.13 | raven | valdyn, right - there is nothing any more |
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| 16:50.19 | jelly-home | tehrabbitt_work: or any other Mail Transfer Agent, yes |
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| 16:50.22 | valdyn | fishsponge: it can use various algorithms |
| 16:50.40 | tehrabbitt_work | ah okay |
| 16:50.46 | valdyn | fishsponge: or if gpg is not secure enough, then nothing is |
| 16:50.58 | andornaut | If an apt-get -f install fails, is there anyway to just ignore the problem (should be fixed by a newer version of the deb) and let the rest of the dist-upgrade proceed? |
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| 16:51.00 | fishsponge | potential problem with gpg... when we want to open and read/edit the file, do we need to decrypt it into a plaintext file on the hard drive, then open it, close it, and re-encrypt it again? |
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| 16:51.19 | fishsponge | i.e. if someone got in they could just look at the empty space on the hard drive and "recover" the decrypted version of the file... |
| 16:51.31 | valdyn | fishsponge: that system has no swap? |
| 16:51.44 | fishsponge | we can easily turn swap off. |
| 16:51.49 | tehrabbitt_work | ah cool, thanks jelly |
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| 16:52.03 | valdyn | fishsponge: theres alot to consider if you want total security like that |
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| 16:52.17 | valdyn | fishsponge: ram stores your data too, even after poweroff |
| 16:52.17 | gusryfeld | jklo If it's usb you could check the usbmount package. There's no simple line for everyone, it'll depend on the device. Google for "writing udev rules". |
| 16:52.30 | petemc | not for long |
| 16:52.39 | jklo | gusryfeld: ok thank you |
| 16:52.43 | cantido | fishsponge: maybe you could pay RSA some money? |
| 16:52.57 | valdyn | petemc: but probably long enough if the "cracker" is the one to poweroff |
| 16:53.00 | fishsponge | valdyn, i know... my colleague is reading up on keepassx and it does look quite good so far... |
| 16:53.09 | fishsponge | RSA could certainly help... |
| 16:53.38 | valdyn | fishsponge: your monitor can be "listed" to with a ukw reciever |
| 16:53.46 | valdyn | fishsponge: err, FM reciever |
| 16:54.32 | raven | valdyn, ? |
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| 16:55.05 | valdyn | raven: i cant say why your sdb is still in use |
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| 16:55.17 | cantido | fishsponge: where are you going to keep the password for the password store? |
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| 16:56.17 | fishsponge | cantido, that will be in our heads. just that one! |
| 16:56.52 | cantido | fishsponge: how do you secure against testicle clamps? |
| 16:58.08 | valdyn | fishsponge: to be honest, i think you would be even more secure if you hang a password list on paper next to that computer that is safely behind a locked door |
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| 16:58.22 | monstaRtruck | hey guys how come debian is so hard to update |
| 16:58.26 | monstaRtruck | everything fails |
| 16:58.28 | valdyn | fishsponge: but thats probably not customer compliant ;) |
| 16:58.41 | valdyn | !tell monstaRtruck -about ask |
| 16:59.36 | monstaRtruck | dont do that valdyn |
| 16:59.58 | valdyn | monstaRtruck: its very simple, if i cant do that, then you cant get help. |
| 17:00.00 | cantido | he should have used the error between seat and keyboard one |
| 17:00.07 | monstaRtruck | i dont need help |
| 17:00.15 | monstaRtruck | val |
| 17:00.16 | valdyn | monstaRtruck: then youre off topic |
| 17:00.22 | monstaRtruck | no im not |
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| 17:03.31 | cantido | Is there any point rebuilding ARMv4 (stock debian) packages for ARMv5? |
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| 17:04.29 | jordanm | cantido: there is an arm-sepcific channel on OFTC that would probably have better information |
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| 17:04.41 | cantido | jordanm: debian arm? |
| 17:04.53 | jordanm | !arm |
| 17:04.53 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:05.00 | jordanm | cantido: yes |
| 17:05.05 | cantido | jordanm: ah cool, thanks |
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| 17:08.25 | rozie | cantido: CPU architecture: 5TE |
| 17:08.36 | rozie | works OK on standard armel |
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| 17:09.27 | twanny796 | anyone can tell me if http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/powerpc/iso-dvd/debian-30r6-dvd-powerpc-binary-1.iso is an image or an installation dvd? |
| 17:09.34 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 17:09.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 17:10.43 | cantido | rozie: I have a 5TE too, I just wondered if it would make any difference to build libc etc for v5 |
| 17:10.47 | windparadise | Hello, pls anyone used DTC from GPLhost before? I am under fire |
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| 17:14.19 | rozie | cantido: Dockstar maybe? Works OK, no need to compile. At least I don't see any reason, but please let me known if you learn something interesting. TIA |
| 17:14.50 | cantido | rozie: This is a custom-ish SAM9 board |
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| 17:16.29 | syslq | If I wish to check for package in only one repo (backports) or explicitly not look in such repo, how can I do that? |
| 17:16.34 | syslq | via apt-get |
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| 17:19.43 | AR-Brad | how do I make Debian search for a Wi-Fi source? |
| 17:19.44 | krish | hi what causes the vmlinux package to get installed during installation? |
| 17:19.53 | krish | i mean its part of which package? |
| 17:20.24 | babilen | AR-Brad: Let us do it ;) -- What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:21.18 | babilen | krish: The kernel packages. "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" will list the ones you have installed. |
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| 17:22.01 | krish | babilen: somehow i never saw a sign of vmlinux file in lenny? |
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| 17:22.22 | krish | would u know where to get the vmlinux for lenny? |
| 17:22.39 | babilen | krish: What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:22.49 | illsci | I have a question about building apt repo's with multiple versions of the same package... I'm using reprerpo... |
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| 17:23.01 | illsci | can you just keep doing includedeb |
| 17:23.03 | illsci | ? |
| 17:23.12 | krish | babilen: analyze a core dump |
| 17:23.13 | illsci | and it keeps adding them to the packages file |
| 17:23.21 | Bushmills | krish: ls /boot |
| 17:23.36 | krish | Bushmills: nope. that has vmlinuz |
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| 17:23.41 | krish | i needed vmlinux |
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| 17:23.47 | Bushmills | gz-compressed version |
| 17:23.47 | babilen | krish: If you take a look at, for example, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686/filelist you'll see that it does indeed contain /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:24.10 | themill | krish: what are you trying to do... you'll get better answers if we actually understand your question |
| 17:24.16 | Bushmills | may be bz compressed, alternatively |
| 17:24.32 | krish | themill: yes. i did say i need to analyze core dump |
| 17:24.39 | krish | i have lenny running Xen |
| 17:24.50 | krish | and some of our domU's keep crashing for no reason |
| 17:24.52 | krish | nothing in logs |
| 17:25.02 | krish | so i took a xm core-dump of the domU |
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| 17:25.16 | windparadise | hello, pls how do I locate a folder name? I am using, find/ locate, whereis but it's not bringing result |
| 17:25.29 | windparadise | or anything related to "name" |
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| 17:25.49 | krish | using crash |
| 17:26.04 | llutz | windparadise: find path/ -nowarn -type d -iname 'partofname' |
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| 17:26.32 | krish | themill: any ideas? |
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| 17:27.04 | llutz | windparadise: -iname '*partofname*' |
| 17:28.25 | krish | on squeeze - linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64-dbg exists |
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| 17:28.31 | krish | it doesnt exist on lenny |
| 17:28.37 | krish | i think thats what provides vmlinux file |
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| 17:30.33 | erawfish_ | krish: packages.debian.org agrees |
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| 17:31.55 | krish | erawfish_: yup. makes life tough for me :) |
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| 17:53.53 | unkmar | I assume I am suppose to report to someone somewhere when the updates fail in a strange way. |
| 17:54.03 | loddafnir | hello folks, does anybody know how to create an openssl cert-request/key with RC4-SHA algorythm, instead of the default aes256-sha-DH; as this is recommended to overcome the BEAST attack |
| 17:55.04 | lamah | from where can I manage web konqueror certificates? |
| 17:55.30 | unkmar | nfs-common - failed appears to enter a recursive loop. |
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| 17:57.37 | loddafnir | i cannot replace this for rc4 as genrsa can just create keys based on that cbc mode (des,aes, etc) : openssl genrsa -aes256 -out name.key 2048 |
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| 17:58.26 | KNUBBIG | Hey, my ubuntu doesn't boot and won't give me any error message. How to disable the graphical boot in the GRUB cmd? |
| 17:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | KNUBBIG: No idea what crap ubuntu gets up to with their boot commands. Ask them. |
| 17:59.24 | KNUBBIG | jhutchins_lt: it should be the GRUB commands or not? |
| 17:59.38 | jhutchins_lt | KNUBBIG: No idea, this is not Ubuntu. |
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| 18:00.02 | KNUBBIG | jhutchins_lt: shouldn't the kernel options be distro-independant? |
| 18:00.02 | somiaj | KNUBBIG: /j #ubuntu |
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| 18:00.18 | mocra | KNUBBIG, try to change to one of the tty1-6, in older ubuntu version graphical boot was just in 7 |
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| 18:00.52 | KNUBBIG | mocra: thanks, but my boot just stops. I'll join recovery mode and see what can be done |
| 18:00.57 | mocra | KNUBBIG, but not a guess if its in current versions too |
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| 18:02.08 | jhutchins_lt | mocra: Please direct assistance regarding ubuntu to the #ubuntu channel, it is off-topic here. |
| 18:02.35 | lamah | how can i downgrade a package? |
| 18:02.53 | themill | dpkg: tell lamah about downgrade |
| 18:03.00 | erawfish_ | lamah: you install the older version. but downgrades are not supported. /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 18:03.36 | erawfish_ | lamah: might be easier to tell us what the actual problem is |
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| 18:04.48 | lamah | erawfish_: no problem, i want to change iceweasel to default stable in squeeze 6 i am with 7.0.1 with iceweasel links to sources.list? |
| 18:05.26 | erawfish_ | lamah: please try again in explaining it. slowly this time |
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| 18:07.37 | somiaj | erawfish_: You will have to first figure out all packages installed by that unoffical source (what deb entry did you use to install iceweasel 7?) And then manually install/downgrade all the packages (so the main package and any dependencies) |
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| 18:08.04 | erawfish_ | somiaj: I don't want to downgrade and have no problem with iceweasel. lamah does |
| 18:08.31 | somiaj | lamah: ^^ haha sorry erawfish_ wrong nick. :/ |
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| 18:15.07 | AR-Brad | How do I get Debian to search for a Wi-Fi network to connect to? |
| 18:15.42 | valdyn | AR-Brad: "iwlist scan" |
| 18:16.25 | AR-Brad | Ok, I'll try it. brb |
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| 18:16.29 | AR-Brad | Thanks |
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| 18:24.47 | tetreb | I don't understand network tools in Gnome. I have multiple eth adapters and it seems I can only assign an ip4 adress once. How can I specifiy ip4 settings to individual adapters? |
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| 18:26.54 | unkmar | Ok, the reason for the nfs-commons update failure is HERE - http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/support/overview.html |
| 18:27.28 | siouX_ | hi, how i create checksum of directory? because i doing backup with shell script, and before compact i will create de checksum, do the backup, recover the backup in another directory and verify the checksum |
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| 18:28.47 | somiaj | siouX_: how complicated is the directory? (i.e. is it just full of files, or is it a full directory tree?) |
| 18:29.16 | siouX_ | full directory tree.. i have many sub-directorys |
| 18:29.45 | somiaj | siouX_: find /path/to/dir -type f -- that will find all the files, md5sum each of them |
| 18:29.54 | somiaj | siouX_: though why not just use rsync, it will do all this and the checksums for you. |
| 18:30.58 | siouX_ | somiaj, because is smallest business and i have backup about 300mb.. |
| 18:31.21 | siouX_ | somiaj, and how can i sum all this md5sum of each files |
| 18:31.22 | siouX_ | ? |
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| 18:31.45 | somiaj | siouX_: pipe that into md5sum, use xargs if the list is to big, output all the md5sums into a textfile. |
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| 18:32.59 | siouX_ | somiaj, can you help me do this, because it is the first time... i will do this |
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| 18:34.27 | siouX_ | when i do find /dados -type f |
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| 18:34.35 | siouX_ | it just list the directory |
| 18:34.48 | somiaj | siouX_: I would look for a backup tool and not build one of your own |
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| 18:35.05 | siouX_ | ok |
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| 18:57.57 | wildc4rd | good evening all |
| 18:58.39 | gray-- | hi all, apologies if this seems like a straight forward question, but google doesn't seem to be giving me what i need.... I'm debootstrap'ing a machine to use as a kvm image, but the default keyboard map seems to be a US map, not the GB one that i'd like. short of a manual dpkg-reconfigure etc, is there a file i can edit to change the layout? |
| 18:59.05 | gray-- | it's quite possible i'm missing packages too |
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| 18:59.55 | paxed | dpkg-query -l \*foo\* doesn't seem to list all packages with foo in their names, any idea why? (eg. if foo=php, it doesn't list php5-pgsql) |
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| 19:00.13 | gray-- | (i've even got a debian system in front of me and I can't work it out :) ) |
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| 19:00.55 | erawfish_ | !keymap |
| 19:00.56 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 19:00.58 | paxed | gray--: /etc/default/keyboard? |
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| 19:01.46 | erawfish_ | paxed: that's X. console bootmap is the file at /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 19:01.54 | gray-- | erawfish_ : thanks, but i'd like it to be non-interactive if possible, is that possible with the dpkg stuff? |
| 19:02.05 | gray-- | aha, that sounds promising |
| 19:02.32 | gray-- | hrm, i don't have an /etc/console on the minimal install |
| 19:02.37 | erawfish_ | gray--: have you looked at preseed, fai and at dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
| 19:03.19 | gray-- | i haven't.... i'm basing my script on http://dsa.debian.org/howto/install-kvm/ |
| 19:03.24 | abrotman | or debconf-set-selctions? |
| 19:03.32 | erawfish_ | gray--: it's optional. check the content of /etc/init.d/keymap.sh where the keymap is set on boot |
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| 19:05.19 | gray-- | uh, lag |
| 19:05.50 | gray-- | on a squeeze box here i have /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup |
| 19:06.44 | erawfish_ | gray--: look into that file. not promising |
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| 19:07.53 | gray-- | i'd have thought it'd be a straight forward thing to do, weird eh |
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| 19:11.53 | gray-- | cheers for your help boys and girls, much appreciated, back soon |
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| 19:17.28 | rotflcopter | hi |
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| 19:19.45 | rindolf | rotflcopter: hi. |
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| 19:28.37 | silver_hook | Potential noob question: Debian, Ubuntu or Mint? |
| 19:28.55 | debiantonio | always Debian!!!!! |
| 19:29.13 | silver_hook | Background: I know my way around, I've been using Slackware since 1998, Gentoo since 2002 all until now. |
| 19:29.21 | bolt | silver_hook: return $channelname |
| 19:29.28 | bolt | any distro channel will do that |
| 19:29.34 | bolt | (most likely= |
| 19:29.36 | silver_hook | bolt: I know, I know. :P |
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| 19:29.52 | silver_hook | Anyway, what are the differences between the three? |
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| 19:30.24 | bolt | to figure that out, go read on mint and ubuntu's pages. they'll tell you what they added to debian |
| 19:30.37 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: Debian lets you configure the system, Ubuntu makes lots of assumption about how it's configured, and Mint, err, makes an assumption that you don't even know Ubuntu :P |
| 19:30.45 | bolt | debian is mint and ubuntu without those things, which some consider bloat and unnecessary and against the debian philosophy |
| 19:30.51 | silver_hook | Ideally I'd like a stable system that needs little administration to keep it that way, is as Free as possible and runs KDE 4.7 (yeah, I know the first and last item don't go well together yet) |
| 19:31.00 | debiantonio | gentoo compile compile comile compile..... |
| 19:31.01 | silver_hook | Also Trisquel pops to mind... |
| 19:32.21 | debiantonio | when crack recompile recompile recompile.... |
| 19:32.48 | silver_hook | debiantonio: No need to flame, I've been using Gentoo for almost a decade now ;) |
| 19:32.58 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: you don't need KDE4.7 unless you really know you do |
| 19:33.12 | debiantonio | no flame, i use gentoo for ten days |
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| 19:33.15 | roue | hola |
| 19:33.30 | debiantonio | and never more |
| 19:33.58 | silver_hook | So what about the system's stability in these distros? Is Debian stable still *the* stable *.deb-based thing? |
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| 19:34.30 | roue | I upgraded to 6.0 recently and now don't know how to disable /etc/init.d services. update-rc.d -f server remove responds with "using dependency based boot sequencing". |
| 19:34.41 | bolt | silver_hook: stable debian is stable |
| 19:34.42 | roue | What's the new right way to manage this (or a pointer to same)? thanks. |
| 19:34.46 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: I'd say it is... apart from some proprietary multimedia crap like Flash, the system has been rock-solid for me - recently shut down a 300-day-uptime machine. |
| 19:34.47 | bolt | silver_hook: that's what it's for |
| 19:34.49 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Well, I migrated to Akonadi-powered KDEPIM, so I need KDE 4.7 (or at least the KDEPIM from it). It was not a smart idea, but hey, that's what I did :P |
| 19:35.00 | debiantonio | debian is stable |
| 19:35.05 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: I don't need Flash :P |
| 19:35.18 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: good, you're on the right bandwagon then :P |
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| 19:35.33 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: With Flash or KDEPIM ;) |
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| 19:36.20 | roue | insserv -r service. ah. |
| 19:36.26 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: with Flash... about KDE, it might be tricky since Stable is still at 4.4.something and 4.7 is not showing up, but hey, compiling should be possible |
| 19:36.42 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: and if you end up writing a howto for Squeeze, well, good for you :) |
| 19:36.48 | bolt | and us |
| 19:37.04 | debiantonio | silver_hook, squeeze is very stable |
| 19:37.08 | bolt | also, debian does not guarantee the stability of something that's not in debian yet :) |
| 19:37.13 | thewanderer1 | sure |
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| 19:38.02 | debiantonio | silver_hook, i'm E16 and flash |
| 19:38.34 | silver_hook | debiantonio: Well, there's worse fates in life ;) |
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| 19:39.15 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, Akonadi is this MySQL-powered ultra-heavy daemon? cool :P |
| 19:39.31 | silver_hook | I *heard* that packages that get into stable are tested *very* thoroughly. Is that true? |
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| 19:39.48 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Well, if you know the trick, you can run Akonadi also over SQLite ;) |
| 19:40.17 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: it's just about packages ending up in Stable only when they have no release-critical bugs |
| 19:40.22 | silver_hook | Automated tests while packaging etc. |
| 19:40.41 | thewanderer1 | we have tests, yes... not much more than a normal lintian check |
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| 19:41.33 | thewanderer1 | but it's not a rolling release and there is usually more than a few months for testing every package before a stable release comes out with it :P |
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| 19:42.08 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: the bigest difference between debian and the debian based distros is that debian has a lenghty frozen period before a release, typical 3-6 months and debian is released for many many more architectures than others |
| 19:42.10 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Sooooo, why would you recommend Debian over Trisquel, Ubuntu or Mint then? |
| 19:42.26 | erawfish_ | both of these things help to catch bugs which make debian very well tested |
| 19:42.33 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Sounds a bit like Ubuntu LTS, innit? |
| 19:42.59 | erawfish_ | Ubuntu LTS or not is imho in no way as tested as a debian stable release. |
| 19:43.27 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Because? |
| 19:43.28 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: it sticks to vanilla with as little custom patches as possible, and we don't force releases every 6 months regardless of whether they have bugs or not :) |
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| 19:43.41 | erawfish_ | LTS is basically a Ubuntu which is compiled a little more conservative. the testing isn't really better than other releases from them |
| 19:43.42 | _r00t_ | hi erawfish_ - yes please explain :) |
| 19:43.42 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: That's a very good reason, yes ;) |
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| 19:44.15 | ew0x | silver_hook: plus Debian is conservative, provides retro-compatibility. The 'upstart' joke ^W thing is a good example here. |
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| 19:44.45 | _r00t_ | ew0x: no upstart in debian ? |
| 19:44.46 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: I remember a ML post where a group of developers said they were migrating Debian to a 6-month release cycle... that was rebutted with an infernal flamewar, never managed to pass :) |
| 19:44.56 | thewanderer1 | hm, I think ther is upstart, just not by default |
| 19:45.01 | ew0x | _r00t_: Not on my default squeeze in exploitation. |
| 19:45.03 | erawfish_ | ,info upstart |
| 19:45.05 | judd | Package upstart (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: event-based init daemon. Version: 0.6.6-1; Size: 256.6k; Installed: 632k; Homepage: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ |
| 19:45.19 | thewanderer1 | it's what you make it :P |
| 19:45.22 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: but it's not used by default |
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| 19:45.29 | _r00t_ | cool |
| 19:45.37 | _r00t_ | I always hated that |
| 19:45.46 | ew0x | _r00t_: hopefuly it's not. |
| 19:45.57 | silver_hook | Keep them coming, those are some very cool reasons so far. |
| 19:46.25 | _r00t_ | Errrrmmmm with Ubuntu you have speak with a weird accent ? |
| 19:46.32 | debiantonio | silver_hook, plays debian now? :) |
| 19:46.37 | silver_hook | What about Trisquel? |
| 19:46.38 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: are you trying to persuade a CEO? :P |
| 19:46.43 | ew0x | silver_hook: If you happen to run a good amount of production servers, there's no question asked, Debian 'conservatism' is a real big plus. |
| 19:46.45 | thewanderer1 | I don't know Trisquel, can't really compare |
| 19:47.02 | thewanderer1 | Debian probably has 100x the userbase, though |
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| 19:47.12 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: No, I am trying to persuade myself ...I'm an ex-Slacker, current Gentoo die-hard. Distro migration is not something I take lightly! XD |
| 19:47.18 | _r00t_ | ew0x: I've run debian on production along with dare I say centos |
| 19:47.30 | silver_hook | No no, it's just a laptop workstation :P |
| 19:47.37 | silver_hook | Sorry to disappoint you there :P |
| 19:47.39 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: FWIW, I used to be on Gentoo too :P |
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| 19:47.43 | silver_hook | BRB,food |
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| 19:48.16 | ew0x | _r00t_: That's what I'm saying, running 90 + servers here with a team of two guys, that's a bet I would not take while running *buntus |
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| 19:48.53 | debiantonio | silver_hook, my server archives is debian but workstations is windows, its fine e stable |
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| 19:48.55 | ew0x | silver_hook: there's no magical answer, it depends a lot on the use cases in the end |
| 19:49.01 | _r00t_ | ew0x: True - I took unbuntu server with a pinch of salt when it first came out |
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| 19:50.07 | ew0x | silver_hook: and I think each debian user has different reason for using it |
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| 19:50.55 | _r00t_ | my reason is exceptionally stupid |
| 19:51.29 | erawfish_ | the reason is simple: the others are even worse |
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| 19:51.41 | _r00t_ | 65% |
| 19:51.44 | Llywelyn | hello everybody ;) |
| 19:51.50 | debiantonio | my reason Debian only word is "stable" |
| 19:51.52 | _r00t_ | hello Llywelyn |
| 19:51.55 | Llywelyn | I need help from someone that knows how to edit grub.cfg :) |
| 19:52.09 | ew0x | Llywelyn: don't do that |
| 19:52.19 | _r00t_ | Llywelyn: you shouldn't edit it unless you're a freak like us |
| 19:52.19 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: you don't edit grub.cfg as it tells you upfront in the first few lines. but state your actual problem. we might be able to help |
| 19:52.20 | Llywelyn | I am experiencing heavy problems since I can not access my XP partition anymore |
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| 19:52.35 | Llywelyn | Okay let's start from the beginning |
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| 19:52.44 | debiantonio | mount this |
| 19:52.46 | Llywelyn | I used to run Ubuntu & Windows XP on dual-boot |
| 19:52.58 | Llywelyn | I changed my CPU and Ubuntu started to become extremly unstable |
| 19:53.07 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: don't use the enter key so much. are you still running ubuntu? |
| 19:53.26 | Llywelyn | No I'm not (otherwise i wouldn't be on the Debian channel ;) ) |
| 19:53.26 | _r00t_ | interesting another user with ubuntu CPU problems |
| 19:53.32 | _r00t_ | 88% |
| 19:53.52 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: state your problem in a single line please. makes it easier for us to follow |
| 19:53.57 | debiantonio | #ubuntu |
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| 19:53.59 | jklo | hello people. if i install windows on a virtual machine does windows use debian's drivers or it's own drivers? |
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| 19:54.12 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: ok, sorry. |
| 19:54.23 | homie | why is debians e2fsprogs broken or mount broken ? |
| 19:54.24 | bolt | jklo: windows uses the appropriate drivers for the emulated components, if available |
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| 19:54.33 | homie | it can't mount an ext4 device.... |
| 19:54.37 | erawfish_ | jklo: virtual machines pretend to have their own hardware normally and windows will then use drivers for that virtual hardware. the VM software will translate it to the host system then |
| 19:54.45 | thewanderer1 | homie: on what Debian release? |
| 19:54.50 | homie | when i try it it tells me unknown filesystem |
| 19:54.53 | homie | squeeze |
| 19:54.59 | homie | but was the same on lenny too |
| 19:55.07 | bolt | the enter key is not punctuation, homie :) |
| 19:55.08 | erawfish_ | homie: file -s </dev/of/your/ext4/fs> |
| 19:55.18 | _r00t_ | installing grub .... rebooting .... this is exciting ! |
| 19:55.52 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: may I ask why you are trying kfreebsd? |
| 19:56.02 | jklo | ok thank you very much |
| 19:56.04 | _r00t_ | is booting debian kfreebsd WOOT ! |
| 19:56.32 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: I said my reason was stupid.... linux kernel doesn't detect my speedstep |
| 19:56.51 | Llywelyn | So I erased my linux partitions (/ and the swap) with Gparted, then I got the grub rescue issue when booting the computer (because I hadn't reflashed the MBR over the GRUB before erasing Ubuntu). Hence I decided to forget Ubuntu forever, and go to Debian that sounded much cooler to me (and with less bullsh*t preinstalled). During the installation, it detected that I had 2 windows partitions: Windows NT/2000 (that is my HP XP recove |
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| 19:56.54 | thewanderer1 | interesting... and FreeBSD's does? :O |
| 19:57.11 | Llywelyn | that's what I did. After booting, I only have access to my HP Recovery partition and Debian though |
| 19:57.14 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: I doubt linux has problems with any speedstep |
| 19:57.23 | _r00t_ | thewanderer1: it looks like it .... I saw the kernel say so |
| 19:57.32 | Chelsea_ | Hi, I'm a bit confused. Debian 6 (2.6.32-5-ppc) can read/write btrfs, but can't use any of the features? |
| 19:57.48 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: I KNOW ! It's crazy .... but I've tried several kernels all the up to 3.1+ |
| 19:57.53 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
| 19:57.57 | bolt | _r00t_: seems kinda like putting a nail in with a sledgehammer... |
| 19:58.00 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: what cpu? |
| 19:58.08 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: q9550 |
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| 19:58.36 | erawfish_ | Chelsea_: define "features". afaik btrfs is still fairly incomplete |
| 19:58.42 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: i don't have this command available. apt-get fdisk advises me to install util-linux. |
| 19:58.59 | _r00t_ | so now I'm logging in ... How do do a cat /proc/cpuinfo equivalent in freebsd |
| 19:59.10 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: i installed debian with a netinstall, hence my few libs/commands available from scratch |
| 19:59.36 | thewanderer1 | Llywelyn: fdisk is supposed to be in root's PATH only... if it's really lacking, install it |
| 19:59.48 | Chelsea_ | erawfish_, sudo btrfs --help: command not found |
| 20:00.01 | ew0x | Llywelyn: install util-linux then |
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| 20:00.11 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: util-linux is a required package. every debian installs it and you have to jump through a lot of hoops to uninstall it. netinst comes with it directly |
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| 20:00.25 | erawfish_ | Chelsea_: btrfs is a filesystem, not a program |
| 20:00.42 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: correct, as i already have it up to date |
| 20:00.53 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: what do I have to do then ? |
| 20:01.19 | _r00t_ | :/ Needs SMP ... OK newbie is playing with BSD brb |
| 20:01.22 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: how did you uninstall util-linux? |
| 20:01.24 | erawfish_ | or why? |
| 20:01.40 | ew0x | Llywelyn: You're trying to run fdisk as *root*, right ? |
| 20:01.45 | Chelsea_ | erawfish_, "btrfs subvolume create bla" shoud create a subvolume. |
| 20:01.52 | Chelsea_ | eAndrius, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs |
| 20:02.05 | Llywelyn | ew0x: i wasn't ... :D |
| 20:02.07 | erawfish_ | Chelsea_: install btrfs-tools. you can check via pdo what is needed to get a program named btrfs |
| 20:02.12 | ew0x | Llywelyn: no surprise. |
| 20:02.52 | Llywelyn | everything is OK now ;) pastebin --> http://pastebin.com/uGJqYhHd |
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| 20:02.58 | Chelsea_ | erawfish_, ooohh... aaahhh... nice ;) thank you! |
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| 20:03.51 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: so your windows isn't showing up when booting via grub? if so, run os-prober and then update-grub. it should detect it then |
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| 20:04.55 | jhutchins | erawfish_: I don't think os_prober runs by itself, it's part of update-grub now. |
| 20:04.58 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: epic, you made my day :-) ("Found Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition on /dev/sda2 done") |
| 20:05.11 | erawfish_ | jhutchins: sometimes grub doesn't run it and gets confused |
| 20:05.37 | jhutchins | erawfish_: It seems like the installer skips it on purpose so your first boot after install will automatically be to Debian. |
| 20:05.42 | Llywelyn | I ran both, both commands seemed to work okay |
| 20:05.46 | erawfish_ | jhutchins: it should be run by update-grub yes, but not always |
| 20:05.48 | jhutchins | (The fact that it doesn't run at first boot might be an oversight.) |
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| 20:06.08 | _r00t_ | christ .... fdisk -l doesn't work |
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| 20:06.25 | _r00t_ | any BSD help ? |
| 20:06.33 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: run it as root. otherwise you won't get all the info usually |
| 20:06.33 | jhutchins | _r00t_: Works here. |
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| 20:06.50 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: returns nothing :o |
| 20:06.55 | Llywelyn | I have also another issue... related to a problem located between the screen and the chair... |
| 20:07.00 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: and you really should stop this "doesn't work" crap. it's not helpful to you or us. /msg dpkg doesn't work |
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| 20:07.31 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: you might have to ask the kfreebsd channel. some things are different in lala land over there :) |
| 20:07.46 | _r00t_ | yeah what's the channel ? |
| 20:08.08 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: all problems are located between screen and chair, even if said between always claims different :) |
| 20:08.11 | erawfish_ | !kfreebsd |
| 20:08.12 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:08.14 | Llywelyn | I tried to remove evolution, and when I saw that it was removing "gnome-desktop-environment" I immediately closed the processus. Now I have like the whole bunch of gnome libraries asking to be autoremoved ... |
| 20:08.16 | ew0x | _r00t_: Now as a BSD user you should not use fdisk anymore. dd if=[harddisk] bs=446 count=1 should be enough for you to find out partitions ! |
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| 20:08.42 | _r00t_ | ew0x: woah - seriously ! |
| 20:08.43 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: last 3 words in that factoid |
| 20:08.47 | thewanderer1 | Llywelyn: don't autoremove them, then :P (or install gnome-desktop-environment back again) |
| 20:09.33 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: apt-get install these libraries. that should set the flag to "manually installed" and they won't get removed anymore |
| 20:10.01 | Llywelyn | thewanderer1: well, the thing is that I am still running GNOME perfectly, so I believe I have canceled the operation before it removed gnome-desktop-environment... I just don't want to be bothered again by a wall of text every time I do an apt-get sth |
| 20:10.06 | jklo | i can watch movies on 3 of my computers but i can't play 3d games on any of my computers. do no free 3d drivers exist because of the lack of programmers or hardware specifications? |
| 20:10.07 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: you can also install a gnome meta package without evolution. dunno which ones are like this. /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:10.17 | erawfish_ | jklo: which videochip? |
| 20:10.38 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package. no actually code is in there |
| 20:10.41 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: which libraries ? those that want to be autoremoved ? I have like almost 100 of them... it's a wall of text, seriously... |
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| 20:11.01 | thewanderer1 | Llywelyn: just install gnome-desktop-environment again |
| 20:11.04 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: yes the ones it wants to autoremove. you simply cut+paste. work of 5 seconds |
| 20:11.05 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: so the right command to issue is "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment", right ? |
| 20:11.20 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: that's another way to do it. it will reinstall evolution |
| 20:11.38 | silver_hook | OK, thanks guys for all the info :) |
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| 20:12.10 | silver_hook | When's the ETA for the (first) freeze for Wheezy? |
| 20:12.13 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: is all your hardware available with free firmware? e.g. no intel wlan, no radeon videocard, etc? |
| 20:12.17 | _r00t_ | loves seeing the kernel boot .... There's nothing nicer |
| 20:12.36 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: when it's ready. history tells us, wheezy will be out around early 2013 |
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| 20:12.37 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Well, sadly there's that intel Wlan, but otherwise my ThinkPad is pretty clean. |
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| 20:12.42 | Llywelyn | okay well i'd better leave everything clean reinstalling gnome-desktop-environment. No way to uninstall evolution in a clean way ? |
| 20:12.56 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: then you need non-free firmware which makes running trisquel hard |
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| 20:13.09 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Sure, wouldn't want it any other way ;) I'm wondering when the first freeze would cca. be as an estimate. |
| 20:13.11 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: and some thinkpads have radeons or nvidia cards |
| 20:13.18 | thewanderer1 | all WiFi needs non-free firmware these days :P |
| 20:13.30 | thewanderer1 | Radeon and NVIDIA are just fine with free drivers for everyday work these days |
| 20:13.38 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: summer to end of 2012. can't really say. that's a educated guess |
| 20:13.39 | thewanderer1 | oops, I keep repeatig "these days" these days... |
| 20:13.51 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Yeah, I know :\ ...at least I have an Intel graphic card. |
| 20:13.57 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: no they are not. radeon likes firmware or it won't work so well usually :) |
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| 20:14.13 | silver_hook | erawfish_: That's good enough for me :) |
| 20:14.22 | jklo | erawfish_: i don't know. won't debian release updates if some drivers become stable? |
| 20:14.46 | thewanderer1 | there have been interminnent kernel upgrades released in the past... etch-n-half anyone? |
| 20:14.56 | erawfish_ | jklo: no. there are backports, but the main debian repo stays stable. only security fixes except for very rare circumstances. really really rare to non existant |
| 20:14.59 | silver_hook | Just want to estimate the chances of KDE 4.7 (or 4.8) being in Wheezy and whether it would make sense to migrate to it after the (first) freeze. |
| 20:15.01 | thewanderer1 | but then, compiling a new kernel is not so hard really |
| 20:15.28 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: you're better off playing the lottery :) |
| 20:15.35 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: etch-n-half was useless by the time it shipped... |
| 20:15.42 | thewanderer1 | erawfish_: I know, but still :P |
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| 20:15.50 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Wouldn't say so, but it's still a guess ;) |
| 20:16.00 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: pkg-kde.alioth-debian.org is the site for KDE development... there's also qt-kde.* I think |
| 20:16.11 | jklo | erawfish_: oh ok. i didn't know that. thanks a lot! |
| 20:16.14 | thewanderer1 | should be able to track progress there |
| 20:16.15 | silver_hook | Thanks :) |
| 20:16.37 | erawfish_ | jklo: you haven't answered what videocard you have. I'm fairly sure we can help you get 3D acceleration one way or the other |
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| 20:17.26 | jklo | erawfish_: i'm a beginner. which command is the right one? |
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| 20:17.37 | erawfish_ | jklo: lspci -nn |grep -i VGA |
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| 20:17.42 | jklo | erawfish_: thanks |
| 20:18.45 | jklo | erawfish_: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] [1002:5964] (rev 01) |
| 20:18.46 | silver_hook | So, since I *need* >=KDE-4.7.0 (due to KDEPIM), would it make sense to wait for it to get into Wheezy, wait for the first freeze, migrate to the (frozen) Wheezy, after it becomes stable, switch from "wheezy" to "stable" and keep with that |
| 20:19.09 | silver_hook | ...or am I completely bananas? |
| 20:19.09 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: maybe it'd be faster to backport the data somehow? :P |
| 20:19.46 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: So wait for Squeeze backports of KDE 4.7 and use Squeeze + backports for KDE? |
| 20:19.46 | thewanderer1 | usually migrating to a frozen state is not advised right away, waiting a month or two should yield better results |
| 20:20.01 | silver_hook | or same only s/squeeze/wheezy? |
| 20:20.22 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Makes sense ...the ever-present .0 issues :P |
| 20:20.24 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: I actually meant porting the data to the old storage format used in 4.4... the chances of 4.7 appearing in Squeeze backports are very slim |
| 20:20.30 | erawfish_ | jklo: that one is supposed to run out of the box without anything. install mesa-utils and run glxinfo |grep -i render |
| 20:20.32 | _r00t_ | Ahhh it's all coming back to me |
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| 20:20.53 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Sadly, that's a problem ...data loss and all that :\ |
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| 20:21.18 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: can't you pull a gentoo and compile your own kde? |
| 20:21.25 | Llywelyn | oh another silly question: can I update iceweasel to the latest firefox stable releases ? |
| 20:21.34 | valdyn | !mdn |
| 20:21.34 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 20:21.42 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: mozilla.debian.net has the latest iceweasel 7.01 from the mozilla team |
| 20:21.51 | silver_hook | erawfish_: I am on Gentoo and running KDE 4.7.2 on it (emerged/compiled) :P |
| 20:21.55 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: you want the "release" channel from them |
| 20:22.03 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: What's this about a freeze? |
| 20:22.04 | silver_hook | ...I am searching for a plan how to migrate to something more reliably stable. |
| 20:22.09 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: I mean compiling it under debian |
| 20:22.16 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: i have to add a ppa repository like in Ubuntu ? |
| 20:22.25 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: run debian stable and compile kde 4.7 for it |
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| 20:22.55 | silver_hook | erawfish_: That's always a possibility, but a) how does one remove hand-compiled packages nowadays; and b) I'd rather have it done the right way(TM) |
| 20:22.59 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: not a ppa, debian doesn't have that, but yes a 3rd party repo, but from the same people that create the normal iceweasel for debian |
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| 20:23.32 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: easy: you make it run under /opt or /usr/local or you can use checkinstall. /msg dpkg checkinstall |
| 20:23.49 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: so the commands to add a repo in debian are different from ubuntu's ? |
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| 20:24.03 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: there is no command. you use an editor :) |
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| 20:24.22 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: since there already are 4.6.5 packages in Unstable, you might be able to take those source packages (equivalent of an ebuild...), update the source files and rebuild for 4.7.0... might work or break terribly :P |
| 20:24.26 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: after a quick search i have to edit sources.list or this is an obsolete doc ? |
| 20:24.29 | erawfish_ | mozilla.debian.net tells you what to do |
| 20:24.37 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: read mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:24.39 | silver_hook | erawfish_: A'ight, so 'checkinstall' is still there and a viable solution? I remember using it for KDE on Slackware :P |
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| 20:24.51 | jklo | direct rendering: Yes |
| 20:24.51 | jklo | OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
| 20:24.51 | jklo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.08 | jklo | maybe the game just didn't work well |
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| 20:25.12 | silver_hook | ...in any case then the whole "stable" bit goes terribly down the drain :P |
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| 20:25.14 | erawfish_ | jklo: please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste.debian.net |
| 20:25.22 | jklo | erawfish_: ok sry |
| 20:25.24 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: well, checkinstall can make .deb packages, so yes (it won't package them as nicely as Debian developers) |
| 20:25.28 | silver_hook | But yeah, that'd work for me if all else fails. Thanks :] |
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| 20:25.29 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: this reminds me of Cydia for iPhone... got it :) |
| 20:26.18 | silver_hook | So, is there any way I can help the Debian community? |
| 20:26.22 | erawfish_ | jklo: the "software rasterizer" tells us that there is no 3D accel and the logfile should tell us why |
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| 20:26.45 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: bug reports, doing support here and on the mailing lists, etc |
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| 20:26.57 | silver_hook | In Gentoo, I've submitted bugs, wrote some ebuilds myself, helped debugsome stuff, helped with the Licensing Team... |
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| 20:27.20 | silver_hook | also finds the Hurd option intriguing :3 |
| 20:27.29 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: like gentoo, debian is a fully user driven community (well DD driven in a way) |
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| 20:27.50 | silver_hook | I'm gonna miss those buggers though :\ |
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| 20:28.02 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: says iceweasel is already up to date. i got an url problem before also |
| 20:28.17 | thewanderer1 | silver_hook: start off with packaging KDE 4.7 with the Qt/KDE team :D |
| 20:28.20 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: pastebin your apt command and its output |
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| 20:28.32 | erawfish_ | !tell silver_hook about nmg |
| 20:28.40 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: read that to get you started :P |
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| 20:28.50 | _r00t_ | !sources |
| 20:28.50 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:28.51 | _r00t_ | !sources.list |
| 20:28.55 | _r00t_ | lazy bot |
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| 20:28.58 | _r00t_ | what's the default location for xorg.conf ? |
| 20:29.02 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Thanks. |
| 20:29.09 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: /etc/X11. but you shouldn't need one |
| 20:29.09 | pizza_biz | hrm. so squeeze and this SIIG SATA PCI card aren't playing nicely together. pvmove eventually causes the kernel to hang. doesn't respond to input, but i left top running on console and when i got in yesterday morning the load average was somewhere north of 300. |
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| 20:29.30 | silver_hook | thewanderer1: Hehe, yeah ...I'd rather start with something small like Zanshin then the whole KDE shebang ;) |
| 20:29.36 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: my distro isn't in english... is this a problem for you ? |
| 20:29.41 | erawfish_ | pizza_biz: maybe try a newer kernel and pray the developer did some bugfixing? |
| 20:29.51 | erawfish_ | !localized errors |
| 20:29.51 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
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| 20:30.53 | bookses | loves debian |
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| 20:31.10 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: my french is rusty but barely usable if I'm lucky |
| 20:31.33 | jklo | erawfish_: where is the logfile? |
| 20:31.40 | silver_hook | BTW, is FreeNode or OFTC the main server for Debian's chans? |
| 20:31.41 | erawfish_ | jklo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:31.50 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: oftc |
| 20:32.00 | silver_hook | erawfish_: 'key, thanks :] |
| 20:32.07 | erawfish_ | but freenode is still bigger afaik, but specialty channels are mainly on oftc |
| 20:32.18 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: http://pastebin.com/Y5DTRBhc. How did you guess i'm french ? Using whois ? |
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| 20:32.26 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: yes |
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| 20:32.51 | pizza_biz | erawfish_: it might just be the card. there was some advice that a BIOS update is recommended, but it appears to have the recommended version. and the flash utility in windows couldn't detect the card. i think i'm gonna punt and look for a relatively cheap P4 with onboard SATA, and give this card (SC-SA4011-S2) a thumbs down despite claims that it allegedly works well in linux. |
| 20:32.52 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: I see no error or problem there. |
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| 20:33.45 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: it's not there ... nor did a dpkg-reconfigure generate it |
| 20:33.47 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: you haven't read the mozilla.debian.net webpage. they tell you what apt-get command to use exactly. yours isn't it |
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| 20:34.09 | erawfish_ | _r00t_: that's normal. you normally don't need a xorg.conf anymore. what is your videocard? |
| 20:34.11 | silver_hook | Anyway, won't bother you anymore. Thanks for all the help :) |
| 20:34.17 | silver_hook | (test 1: passed) |
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| 20:34.19 | jklo | erawfish_: http://pastebin.com/GA2AmFzZ from /var/log/Xorg.2.log |
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| 20:34.36 | erawfish_ | jklo: isn't there a Xorg.0.log? |
| 20:34.38 | abrotman | silver_hook: there isn't a main server in reality .. more DDs and more speciality channels on oftc .. way larger #debian here |
| 20:34.44 | jhutchins | _r00t_: xorg.conf isn't used by most systems. |
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| 20:35.08 | thewanderer1 | notices that _r00t_ is probably on kFreeBSD |
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| 20:35.20 | jklo | erawfish_: oh sry one moment |
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| 20:36.18 | erawfish_ | jklo: line 491 seems to be the problem. install the package firmware-linux-nonfree from non-free and reboot |
| 20:36.25 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: correct, but the problem is still here when issuing the right command. --> http://pastebin.com/mtxqaYSm |
| 20:36.47 | silver_hook | Just one more thing ...I know Debian has a pretty active licensing/legal team. Do they need help? |
| 20:37.07 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: apt-cache policy |
| 20:37.24 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: subscribe to the debian-legal mailinglist |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | silver_hook: they have a mailing list .. that's probably the best thing to get involved with to start with .. reading for a bit, then replying if you can add to the conversation |
| 20:37.36 | silver_hook | 'key. |
| 20:37.40 | silver_hook | I hope I can... |
| 20:37.59 | jklo | erawfish_: oh 3d is not that import for installing nonfree software, but thank you very very much for your time. |
| 20:38.03 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: ran the command, but the issue isn't solved |
| 20:38.04 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: also apt-cache policy iceweasel |
| 20:38.07 | silver_hook | (otherwise I don't deserve my pay! XD) |
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| 20:38.18 | erawfish_ | jklo: /msg dpkg firmware |
| 20:38.36 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: are you a lawyer? |
| 20:38.52 | Craigwd_2000 | I can't reboot my PC laptop running AMD64 Debian Wheezy with KDE 4. I'm running AMD64 kernel 3.0.0-mt-1... I can't get Amarok to work either... I try to copy & paste streams intended for iTunes into it & they never start playing... |
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| 20:39.15 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: done |
| 20:39.15 | abrotman | cute .... |
| 20:39.16 | abrotman | can't reboot ? |
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| 20:39.29 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Yeah-ish. |
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| 20:39.35 | abrotman | erawfish_: AIUI, almost no one on tha tlist is a lawyer :) |
| 20:39.38 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: begone satan! |
| 20:39.41 | silver_hook | I've still to finish my LLM. |
| 20:39.42 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah: It just reboots Linux but not the whole PC... |
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| 20:40.02 | silver_hook | But I'm working for the FSFE. |
| 20:40.02 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: linux is the OS. what else would it reboot? |
| 20:40.06 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: with what command ? |
| 20:40.10 | _r00t_ | erawfish_: nvidia 460 |
| 20:40.11 | silver_hook | ...actually I'm the FSFE Legal Coordinator :P |
| 20:40.11 | valdyn | Craigwd_2000: youre probably using kexec |
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| 20:40.24 | erawfish_ | silver_hook: devils in the employ of heavenly organizations are still devils :P |
| 20:40.24 | _r00t_ | thewanderer1: indeed |
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| 20:41.02 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: what do I need to do next ? The previous apt-get command still doesn't work |
| 20:41.03 | Craigwd_2000 | When I try to run it from the KMenu it runs kexec instead of shutdown -r now like it's supposed to... |
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| 20:41.17 | valdyn | Craigwd_2000: you can shutdown -h now |
| 20:41.20 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Well, a knife can be either a tool to cut your bread or weapon to kill you ...it all depends on how you use it ;) |
| 20:41.24 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy icewease should give you some output you can pastebin |
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| 20:41.54 | valdyn | Llywelyn: youre being given commands because we want to see the output. They are not supposed to fix anything |
| 20:42.03 | jklo | erawfish_: installing the backports won't do the job? |
| 20:42.27 | valdyn | Llywelyn: assuming you followed the instructions you need to "apt-get update" before installing iceweasel |
| 20:42.38 | Craigwd_2000 | Is -h short for halt so it just turns the machine off completely...? Because the Shutdown menu item on the KMenu still works correctly... |
| 20:42.48 | erawfish_ | jklo: backports mainly add support for new hardware. your radeon 9200 is several years old and has been supported in debian for that much time, so a backport wouldn't help |
| 20:42.48 | valdyn | Craigwd_2000: yes |
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| 20:43.08 | silver_hook | erawfish_: Also, it's a legal hack that makes sure FS stays FS :P |
| 20:43.12 | jklo | erawfish_: ok thanks |
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| 20:43.26 | erawfish_ | jklo: so I'm a bit puzzled why it wouldn't work :( |
| 20:43.51 | Llywelyn | erawfish_ ; valdyn : http://pastebin.com/Ave9mTvW |
| 20:43.52 | AR-Brad | How do I get my laptop to search for Wi-Fi access points automatically? |
| 20:44.00 | erawfish_ | jklo: the firmware I suggested is simply a binary blob which is uploaded to the videocard to make it work btw |
| 20:44.02 | AR-Brad | iwlist scan didn't work |
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| 20:44.23 | Llywelyn | if any translation is needed, please feel free to ask |
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| 20:44.26 | valdyn | Llywelyn: what i said, either you didnt follow the instructions or you didnt run "apt-get update" |
| 20:44.30 | silver_hook | is also the first to admit the world would be a hell of a better place if we didn't need lawyers ...as well as policemen, medical staff, firefighters politicians, the army etc. etc. |
| 20:44.35 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: iwlist scan <wlan interface>, also network manager or wicd should be able to search |
| 20:44.42 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: what wlan chip is it? |
| 20:44.49 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Ralink |
| 20:45.02 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: I already installed the Ralink Firmware package |
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| 20:45.40 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: make sure your AP broadcasts SSID and then try to connect to it. see wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 20:46.00 | Llywelyn | valdyn: i feel very stupid about this. apt-get update solved the pb |
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| 20:46.24 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Will do. Thank you. |
| 20:46.43 | jklo | erawfish_: ok then i'll install it thank you |
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| 20:47.27 | erawfish_ | jklo: I can't guarantee that's the issue however. but it has firmware for R200 based radeon cards |
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| 20:48.44 | Llywelyn | still, i get a warning from apt-get. Seems there is a security issue with a key not being the right one, or something. http://pastebin.com/j8TecFyd |
| 20:48.50 | Llywelyn | Is this a known issue ? |
| 20:49.07 | abrotman | did you install the key and then apt-get update? |
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| 20:49.29 | Llywelyn | abrotman: i haven't installed any key. I just ran apt-get update |
| 20:49.44 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: please read http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 20:49.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is it just me or is xmms2d buggy and kills its self alot? |
| 20:49.49 | Craigwd_2000 | I found out by installing some drivers intended for a AMD/ATI SB800 in WinXP Pro. SP 3 that it's really a AMD/ATI SB800 or a SB850 & not a SB700 or a SB750... With the SB7X0 drivers installed I get BSODs but with the SB8X0 drivers installed Windows appears to be much more stable. |
| 20:49.57 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: that webpage clearly tells you about the key |
| 20:49.58 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: why not use audacious |
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| 20:50.12 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: sure... my mistake ! |
| 20:50.13 | abrotman | Llywelyn: did you follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 20:50.14 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: wrong channel :) |
| 20:50.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want something i can run in the back ground as a alarm |
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| 20:50.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | tempted to just use alarm |
| 20:50.35 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Aha, I believe I found the answer. I don't have Network Manager installed. Thanks for the help =D |
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| 20:50.40 | Llywelyn | abrotman: i didn't, erawfish_ just told me to do so. Now the problem will get fixed |
| 20:50.41 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: there are better programs for that |
| 20:50.51 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: echo <alarm command> | at 06:30 |
| 20:51.00 | abrotman | Llywelyn: themill told you to read the instructions 20 minutes ago |
| 20:51.06 | erawfish_ | AR-Brad: nm is only one way to manage connections. not necessarily the best one :) |
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| 20:51.33 | Craigwd_2000 | I was just wondering if it might be relevant...; I believe the kernel modules/drivers for my particular hardware are still quite buggy/glitchy ATM... |
| 20:51.46 | jklo | erawfish_: is the non-free firmware a security risk? |
| 20:51.46 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: too bad i can't rm that broken package located between chair and screen, isn't it ? :) |
| 20:51.52 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: which part of the chipset do you have problems with? |
| 20:51.56 | AR-Brad | erawfish_: Really? Haha, that explains why I am unable to get online. |
| 20:52.08 | valdyn | jklo: thats like asking "is using a computer a security risk" |
| 20:52.18 | erawfish_ | jklo: no. but it's not DFSG compatible, therefore in non-free |
| 20:52.26 | Craigwd_2000 | The Power Management/ACPI... That & Hybrid Deep s |
| 20:52.26 | jklo | ok |
| 20:52.41 | valdyn | jklo: *everything* has firmware - just some firmware is uploaded by the driver, some is not, all is equally obscure |
| 20:52.49 | Craigwd_2000 | Sleep doesn't exist in linux... |
| 20:53.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 20:53.10 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: man sleep disagrees |
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| 20:53.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | but does it play when my computer is locked.. |
| 20:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | Craigwd_2000: sleep does indeed exist in linux. |
| 20:53.51 | prsn | Hello! I'm on squeeze; I want to upgrade my php from the currently maintained 5.3.3 to the latest version, 5.3.8. Is there an easy way to do this from within aptitude? |
| 20:53.52 | jhutchins_lt | Craigwd_2000: /bin/sleep is part of coreutils. |
| 20:53.54 | jklo | is a restart required after installing firmware? |
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| 20:54.07 | thewanderer1 | prsn: you don't need php 5.3.8 |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | jklo: not strictly .. but you may find it easier |
| 20:54.12 | pizza_biz | i think he meant a "deep sleep" function (continuation from premature enter key), not /bin sleep. |
| 20:54.12 | prsn | I actually do |
| 20:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | jklo: No, just load the relevant module. |
| 20:54.14 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: ACPI is usually a problem of the hardware and ACPI tables. but you're free to use a backport kernel if you hardware came out after squeeze kernel was frozen |
| 20:54.16 | prsn | there's a bug in 5.3.3 |
| 20:54.17 | Llywelyn | Going to reboot to see if the grub issue was solved, brb ;) |
| 20:54.21 | thewanderer1 | prsn: what bug? |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | w/in 4 |
| 20:54.38 | jklo | i'll restart |
| 20:54.49 | prsn | thewanderer1: it's a bizarre issue with a sorting algorithm. I had a long discussion about it in ##php I could paste for you if you're really curious |
| 20:54.52 | erawfish_ | ,versions php5 |
| 20:54.55 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; wheezy: 5.3.8-2; sid: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 20:55.17 | erawfish_ | there are 2 php5 in sid? |
| 20:55.25 | thewanderer1 | prsn: you can grab it from wheezy, works for me although is not recommended :P |
| 20:55.30 | abrotman | it happens sometimes |
| 20:55.37 | prsn | how does one "grab it from wheezy"? |
| 20:55.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... fail for alarmclock |
| 20:55.49 | Craigwd_2000 | Tux-On-Ice doesn't always work right on this particular PC laptop too...; only some of the time... |
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| 20:56.01 | prsn | sorry, I'm kind of a newb at aptitude :) |
| 20:56.05 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: tux-on-ice is obsoleted because of the bugs |
| 20:56.17 | erawfish_ | !tell Craigwd_2000 about tuxonice |
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| 20:57.56 | prsn | ? |
| 20:58.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | abrotman: what other programs you know of for alarms |
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| 20:58.37 | erawfish_ | prsn: I would backport it. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | prsn: I doubt if it would be a simple "grab", it's a pretty complex system of packages. |
| 20:58.52 | jklo | erawfish_: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5964) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE TCL DRI2 . it works right? |
| 20:58.58 | erawfish_ | jklo: yes |
| 20:59.07 | jklo | erawfish_: thank you very very much! |
| 20:59.09 | jhutchins_lt | ,checkbackport php5 |
| 20:59.14 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied. |
| 20:59.17 | Craigwd_2000 | I also need to adjust the pre-amble strength of my Atheros AR9285 Wi-Fi card according to a linux-wireless-compat project how-to page that I read... Apparently it doesn't exactly work right out of the box due to FCC regulations regarding pre-amble strength... |
| 20:59.36 | thewanderer1 | hmm, actually, I did append a wheezy repo to sources.list and use apt-pinning. I'm evil, I know :P |
| 20:59.47 | jklo | i'll go offline good bye and thanks a lot again |
| 20:59.56 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: ath9k cards supposedly work better with the 2.6.39 backports kernel since there has been work done since 2.6.32 |
| 21:00.21 | erawfish_ | thewanderer1: isn't the wheezy one compiled against libc6 from wheezy? |
| 21:00.40 | thewanderer1 | erawfish_: probably. still, haven't seen any breakage occuring... |
| 21:00.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | this is really frustrating |
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| 21:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | Eryn_1983_FL: kalarm works fine for me on squeeze, but really don't know what you need to do. |
| 21:01.39 | jhutchins_lt | Eryn_1983_FL: Play a sound file from a cron job, or launch a stream. |
| 21:01.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | i guess i could try it |
| 21:01.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want to play a playlist |
| 21:02.12 | Craigwd_2000 | How do I know if I should use the ath9k or ath9k_htc kernel module...? I couldn't help but notice that there's two very similar yet quite different kernel modules for Atheros Mini PCI Express 9XXX Wi-Fi cards... |
| 21:02.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | alarm-clock sucks it won't play mp3s |
| 21:02.17 | jhutchins_lt | Eryn_1983_FL: cron+mplayer/xine/mpg123 |
| 21:02.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | it needs a plugin or something |
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| 21:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | Craigwd_2000: What's the pci id of the card? |
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| 21:03.25 | erawfish_ | ,file ath9k_htc.ko |
| 21:03.29 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:03.35 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: where did you get that file from? |
| 21:03.42 | levk | what is the timeline usually for getting the new kernel in the repositories? 3.1 came out last week |
| 21:03.53 | levk | I mean for unstable |
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| 21:04.04 | prsn | erawfish_: In the process of following the instructions at /msg dpkg ssb, I am being prompted to remove libgd2-noxpm. Is that okay? |
| 21:04.11 | erawfish_ | levk: no fixed timeline. sometimes sid even skips a kernel release |
| 21:04.22 | erawfish_ | prsn: by what command? |
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| 21:04.32 | prsn | sudo aptitude build-dep php5 |
| 21:05.05 | erawfish_ | prsn: libgd2 without xpm support would be it. I guess you install libgd2 with xpm support now, so if not others are removed it's probably ok |
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| 21:07.35 | Craigwd_2000 | If you're referring to the newer kernel I just installed it manually... |
| 21:07.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying again |
| 21:08.01 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: which kernel? ath9k_htc.ko doesn't seem to be a module in any debian kernel |
| 21:08.14 | prsn | erawfish_: Uhm.. huh. Now it's telling me to configure mysql-server-5.1, but running mysql tells me I have version 5.5 currently... |
| 21:08.25 | erawfish_ | ,versions mysql-server |
| 21:08.25 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1 |
| 21:08.38 | erawfish_ | prsn: thrid party mysql server |
| 21:08.46 | Craigwd_2000 | Oh: right: I was attempting to build a .deb for Kernel 3.0.4... |
| 21:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | levk: When the package maintainer gets around to it. |
| 21:09.10 | prsn | will going forward with the aptitude command mess it up? |
| 21:09.33 | prsn | and does php really depend on mysql? |
| 21:09.38 | erawfish_ | prsn: it can yes. install the package of the same name from your mysql 5.5 repo |
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| 21:09.59 | erawfish_ | php almost always wants to access mysql databases, so it does depend on it, yes. |
| 21:10.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok mplayer worked.. now how do i stop it from cron.. |
| 21:10.09 | prsn | how do I cleanly get out of the curses configuration thingy? |
| 21:10.09 | levk | I understand there's no fixed timeline, I'm just wondering if it does take place how long does it usually take.. like days or months? |
| 21:10.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 21:10.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | and no i can't have it in a terminall |
| 21:10.23 | prsn | should I just kill the process? |
| 21:10.52 | erawfish_ | prsn: ctrl+c will but stuff like you described would have been shown before the ncurses configuration (which is debconf) |
| 21:11.29 | prsn | like I described? There was one message about accepting that solution with libgd2, then I hit yes, then it downloaded stuff, then it gave me debconf |
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| 21:12.10 | prsn | also, ctrl-c isn't doing anything |
| 21:12.18 | erawfish_ | show us what is on screen |
| 21:12.38 | prsn | ncurses dialog with title "Configuring mysql-server-5.1" |
| 21:12.44 | prsn | asking me for root password |
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| 21:13.07 | erawfish_ | erm, aptitude told you before it would install mysql-5.1 |
| 21:13.25 | erawfish_ | it won't just install stuff without asking. |
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| 21:13.33 | prsn | it may have included it in the large list of things, yes |
| 21:13.38 | prsn | it didn't warn about conflicts |
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| 21:13.56 | erawfish_ | is this a dotdeb or equally badly made mysql 5.5? |
| 21:14.09 | prsn | i honestly have no idea |
| 21:14.30 | prsn | i probably don't even really need to have it |
| 21:14.34 | erawfish_ | configure mysql5.1 and check later for any damages |
| 21:14.44 | Craigwd_2000 | Jhutchins_lt: The PCI ID is VEN_168CDEV_002A&SUBSYS_3041103&REV_01... |
| 21:14.57 | prsn | :/ I guess. It would be kind of annoying if the current install broke, but i guess it's not so bad |
| 21:15.03 | erawfish_ | ,pciid 168C:002A |
| 21:15.05 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:15.08 | Madoka-Kaname | Uu... |
| 21:15.23 | Madoka-Kaname | Does anybody know of a GTK3 control theme that looks like Mist? |
| 21:15.41 | Madoka-Kaname | I like it a lot, but.. well, it's GTK2, and GTK3 stuff is looking ugly. |
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| 21:17.39 | prsn | hmm. It keeps encountering an error. "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 21:17.58 | prsn | while trying to process mysql-server-5.1 |
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| 21:18.39 | prsn | also, the last step of the instructions is "install the resultant debs", which I do not know how to do |
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| 21:23.43 | Craigwd_2000 | Also when I first installed SimplyMEPIS/Squeeze it wanted to setup some kind of TV Tuner firmware when I upgraded it the first time around... There's a plastic cover that might be covering up a mini Co-Ax or some kind of TV Tuner hookup on the laptop... The cover is about a eighth to a quarter of an inch in diameter & when I upgraded from Windows Vista Home Premium x64 SP 2 to Windows 7 x64 Home Premium the companion disc said |
| 21:23.44 | Craigwd_2000 | was installing some kind of TV Tuner card drivers... |
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| 21:24.49 | Craigwd_2000 | It was billed as an Entertainment laptop so I guess anything is possible... |
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| 21:27.20 | erawfish_ | Craigwd_2000: do you have this problem with mepis or with squeeze? |
| 21:28.08 | Craigwd_2000 | MEPIS...; I've never tried Squeeze on it... |
| 21:28.14 | erawfish_ | !mepis |
| 21:28.14 | dpkg | MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 21:30.57 | Madoka-Kaname | prsn, dpkg -i? |
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| 21:38.58 | Llywelyn | I'm back ;) erawfish_, are you still here ? |
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| 21:41.36 | bhundven | using debian sid, and am trying to use a project that depends on python-psyco. Alas, it won't install. Found that psyco doesn't work with python2.7. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:42.00 | Llywelyn | I'd like to have Wndows as my default entry when I boot my computer. Here's my original grub.cfg bhundven (http://pastebin.com/4XELXEZx) and here's the file edited as I think it has to be : bhundven http://pastebin.com/hccLHcbw |
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| 21:42.28 | bhundven | Llywelyn: I don't know. I don't use windows |
| 21:42.50 | SupaYoshi | Hi I want to setup a Debian production server, that will do Webhosting and Minecraft server, and ssh. How do I secure my system? (its located in a datacenter) I was planning to learn (good learn) IPtables, and Fail2Ban |
| 21:42.57 | Llywelyn | I'm sorry bhundven, but your name was automatically inserted in my chat box. Sorry about this |
| 21:43.08 | bhundven | no prob |
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| 21:43.53 | bhundven | SupaYoshi: there are a lot of really good guides and howto's on: http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
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| 21:44.06 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: wrong. you edit /etc/default/grub |
| 21:44.32 | SupaYoshi | Thnx :D |
| 21:44.32 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: the "GRUB_DEFAULT" there |
| 21:44.54 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: i'm editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:45.03 | SupaYoshi | Bhunven, is a out of the box debian server secure? :P with a good password? Lawl... |
| 21:45.09 | pizza_biz | SupaYoshi: someone here recently recommended ufw to me. for basic rule requirements (no NAT, no QoS, etc.) i find it works well for that. |
| 21:45.10 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: that is a stupid thing to do |
| 21:45.20 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: please read first few lines of it |
| 21:45.28 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: oh now I understand. You mean i'd better edit /etc/default/grub ? |
| 21:46.02 | bhundven | SupaYoshi: I recommend using ssh keys instead of password authentication, and disable root ssh and password authentication. |
| 21:46.12 | erawfish_ | bhundven: there's python2.6 for sid too afaik |
| 21:46.22 | bhundven | erawfish_: it does not install |
| 21:46.30 | erawfish_ | ,versions python-psyvo |
| 21:46.31 | judd | No package named 'python-psyvo' was found in i386. |
| 21:46.32 | erawfish_ | ,versions python-psyco |
| 21:46.33 | bhundven | with python 2.7 installed |
| 21:46.33 | judd | Package: python-psyco on i386 -- lenny: 1.6-1; sid: 1.6-2; squeeze: 1.6-2 |
| 21:46.44 | erawfish_ | !tell bhundven about errors |
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| 21:47.49 | bhundven | erawfish_: http://pastebin.com/ieqv9SEL |
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| 21:49.43 | erawfish_ | bhundven: dpkg -l|grep python2 |
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| 21:50.28 | marsje | I'm currently installing debian 6, but unfortunately I see the dreaded local errors again. Been seeing them on debian 5 and ubuntu as well. Things like: locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:50.46 | bhundven | erawfish_: http://pastebin.com/McTudVDu |
| 21:50.53 | erawfish_ | !tell marsje about locales |
| 21:51.18 | erawfish_ | bhundven: http://paste.debian.net/141906/ |
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| 21:52.11 | marsje | More specific local error message: http://pastebin.com/cnJz2iuB |
| 21:52.19 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: so I have to mod /etc/default/grub to solve my pb ? |
| 21:52.28 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: yes |
| 21:52.55 | erawfish_ | marsje: please do what the factoid told you |
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| 21:53.34 | marsje | erawfish_: but I think I will get in the same endless loops as before, but let me try it 1st |
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| 21:53.48 | erawfish_ | marsje: and make sure the locales you apparently set to use manually somewhere actually exist |
| 21:54.26 | bv | cvb |
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| 21:55.03 | marsje | erawfish_: does a locale refer to a language or to formatting? because I want my system to be in english, but my date/time notation to be in dutch |
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| 21:55.21 | erawfish_ | both |
| 21:55.40 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: do i have to uncomment any of the variables ? I am quite lost... |
| 21:55.50 | erawfish_ | no. you have to edit the variable I told you |
| 21:56.04 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: apt-cache search alarm clock |
| 21:56.18 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: setting it to 1 ? |
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| 21:56.47 | erawfish_ | on what to set it depends on your grub.cfg layout. https://www.google.com/search?q=GRUB_DEFAULT |
| 21:57.00 | erawfish_ | tons of howtos for it out there |
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| 21:58.13 | Llywelyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:59.05 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: by the way, is my res (1440x900) supported by Linux ? I could never get a good fullscreen res on Linux (tried with Ubuntu and Debian) |
| 21:59.08 | erawfish_ | the grub entries are numbered. at most you need to do a little trial and error to see to what to set it to |
| 21:59.25 | erawfish_ | yes it is supported. my laptop uses it. what videocard do you use? |
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| 22:01.32 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: formerly, a Radeon 9200. Now, a nVidia 7800GS |
| 22:01.38 | jelly-home | Llywelyn: it's a matter of drivers. X.org supports arbitrary resolutions (at least up to 4096x4096) |
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| 22:02.08 | bhundven | hmm. maybe it's the difference between 2.7.2-3 and 2.7.2-6 |
| 22:02.10 | erawfish_ | nvidia drivers even support custom resolutions if you want to |
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| 22:02.20 | Llywelyn | jelly-home: i assume I use the default drivers bundled with the debian netinstall |
| 22:02.38 | bhundven | thanks erawfish_ |
| 22:02.45 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: are these drivers non-free ? |
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| 22:03.39 | erawfish_ | nvidia drivers are non-free yes, nouveau, the other drivers for nvidia hardware don't do 3D |
| 22:03.52 | erawfish_ | but they shouldn't have major problems with the resolution either |
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| 22:04.15 | erawfish_ | bhundven: I can update my python and reinstall psyco |
| 22:04.16 | abrotman | nouveau does 3d for some devices |
| 22:04.42 | jelly-home | Llywelyn: nvidia-detect tool (from non-free repo) would suggest the correct non-free driver if you wanted to try that out |
| 22:04.51 | jelly-home | !tell Llywelyn about non-free sources |
| 22:04.55 | erawfish_ | abrotman: isn't 3D disabled in squeeze? |
| 22:05.50 | abrotman | only for some devices i thought |
| 22:06.12 | Llywelyn | thanks for your help |
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| 22:07.40 | SupaYoshi | Thnx man :D Iwilldo that |
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| 22:12.20 | windparadise | hello, pls I am in trouble, can you please assist? I am trying to set up a control panel which requires a valid fqdn. meanwhile when I typed hostname --fqdn I had berylhost.com instead of expecting to have mx.berylhost.com what should I do please ? |
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| 22:13.05 | bolt | windparadise: you should find the configuration files for your "control panel" and change it |
| 22:13.11 | petemc | windparadise: look in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 22:13.13 | Llywelyn | Here is my /etc/apt/sources.list. Even after issuing (apt-get update), i can't find nvidia-detect package |
| 22:13.17 | Llywelyn | http://pastebin.com/CxeimD7p |
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| 22:13.45 | bolt | oh. /me misunderstood |
| 22:13.53 | erawfish_ | ,versions nvidia-detect |
| 22:13.55 | judd | Package: nvidia-detect on i386 -- sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.28-1; experimental/non-free: 290.03-1 |
| 22:14.15 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: does not exist in squeeze. lscpi -nn|grep VGA |
| 22:15.12 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: lscpi is an unknown command, and apt-get install lscpi can't find the lscpi package |
| 22:15.27 | erawfish_ | ,file lspci |
| 22:15.31 | judd | Search for lspci in squeeze/i386: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci; debian-installer: usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/glantank/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/kurobox-pro/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/n2100/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/mipsel/cobalt/info/lspci |
| 22:15.40 | bolt | Llywelyn: try "lspci" |
| 22:15.56 | bolt | pci, as in the PCI bus (google) |
| 22:16.05 | windparadise | petemc: cat /etc/hostname returns berylhost |
| 22:16.11 | Llywelyn | Oh yes, PCI/AGP stuff |
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| 22:16.41 | windparadise | and cat /etc/hosts returns # Auto-generated hostname. Please do not remove this comment. |
| 22:16.43 | windparadise | 208.93.155.217 berylhost.com berylhost |
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| 22:17.48 | Llywelyn | Here's the command (adding |grep VGA didn't work for some reason) : http://pastebin.com/NdN0YES7 |
| 22:18.00 | petemc | windparadise: change /etc/hostname to mx , /etc/hosts to 208.93.155.217 mx.berylhost.com mx |
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| 22:18.47 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 22:18.48 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 10de:00f5 |
| 22:18.48 | judd | [10de:00f5] is 'G70 [GeForce 7800 GS]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:00f5 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 22:20.01 | Llywelyn | erawfish- "sudo dpkg nvidia dkms" returns with an error. Should I try "dpkg -i" instead ? |
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| 22:20.20 | jelly-home | Llywelyn: /msg ... is an irc client command |
| 22:20.47 | jelly-home | "ask the 'dpkg' bot about 'nvidia dkms'" |
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| 22:21.03 | Llywelyn | jelly-home got it :) |
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| 22:23.10 | windparadise | petemc: can you please check if it's correct now ? |
| 22:23.19 | Llywelyn | So if I have well understood I have to install a new kernel, blacklist my drivers and use the "nouveau" one ? |
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| 22:23.47 | petemc | windparadise: those changes are local only, you need to check yourself |
| 22:24.20 | windparadise | ok, |
| 22:24.25 | petemc | windparadise: that record does not exist in dns afaict |
| 22:25.14 | windparadise | ? |
| 22:25.18 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: no |
| 22:25.26 | windparadise | hmm, confusing, |
| 22:25.27 | petemc | windparadise: ping: unknown host mx.berylhost.com |
| 22:25.38 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms this is a command for your irc client here |
| 22:26.29 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: i have no IRC client. However, i typed it and i get confused with info for advanced users |
| 22:26.37 | erawfish_ | windparadise: this is still not the channel to learn about dns |
| 22:26.43 | erawfish_ | !tell Llywelyn about nvidia dkms |
| 22:26.54 | pizza_biz | . . . how are you on IRC if you have no IRC client? |
| 22:27.00 | windparadise | petemc: what do I do ? |
| 22:27.13 | Llywelyn | pizza_biz: i am using webchat.freenode.net |
| 22:27.15 | erawfish_ | pizza_biz: magic. he uses some webchat |
| 22:27.19 | streuner_ | pizza_biz: webchat via browser |
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| 22:27.55 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: dpkg has sent you a message |
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| 22:28.01 | streuner_ | using a brower in order to fix problems isnt very helpful... |
| 22:28.31 | streuner_ | its more complicated |
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| 22:28.32 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: yes, I have received it. Still, I get this kind of commands that is not very easy to understand " "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'" |
| 22:28.46 | Llywelyn | streuner_: why ? my problems are not browser-related |
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| 22:29.06 | erawfish_ | why is it hard to understand? it's something you can enter verbatim at your prompt |
| 22:29.16 | jelly-home | Llywelyn: the whole of that "" quote -- a single, very long, command line |
| 22:29.45 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: and I suggest you become root, maybe with "sudo bash" before starting |
| 22:29.52 | streuner_ | Llywelyn: cut and paste and working via terminal in order to use a browser is very hard, IMO |
| 22:30.45 | windparadise | petemc: does it mean the IP address supposed to be a different one ? |
| 22:30.50 | streuner_ | webchat isnt very userfriendly |
| 22:30.51 | Llywelyn | jelly-home: I hadn't figured this. Thank you ! |
| 22:31.15 | Llywelyn | erawfish_: is "sudo bash" different from "sudo" ? |
| 22:31.29 | erawfish_ | yes, in subtle ways |
| 22:31.38 | teneightypea | GLaDOSDan liekz sexeh tiem with neebs |
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| 22:31.48 | petemc | windparadise: no, you have not created mx.berylhost.com |
| 22:31.52 | wobblyonions | anyone here running flow-capture on a debian install at all? |
| 22:32.03 | Llywelyn | streuner_: I have never used IRC clients. Does Empathy support it ? |
| 22:32.04 | erawfish_ | !tell wobblyonions about anyone |
| 22:32.17 | windparadise | should i set it in my domain registrar? I am using godaddy |
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| 22:32.49 | petemc | windparadise: however you created the record for berylhost,com, repeat it for mx.berylhost.com |
| 22:32.53 | streuner_ | Llywelyn: i dont have an idea what Empathy is, most Debian people use mutt or X-Chat (if they have a working X) |
| 22:33.07 | windparadise | ok |
| 22:33.08 | erawfish_ | streuner_: mutt for irc? really? |
| 22:33.26 | abrotman | streuner_: empathy is for IM .. not mail/irc |
| 22:33.26 | wobblyonions | ok, I have flow-catpure installed and can see the data coming in by using a tcpdump, however I cant seem to get it to store the data anywhere for reference. can someone assit at all? |
| 22:33.29 | streuner_ | nevermind, mutt, i meant irssi |
| 22:33.29 | petemc | irc over smtp |
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| 22:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | konversation here. |
| 22:33.43 | streuner_ | Llywelyn: s/mutt/irssi/ |
| 22:33.44 | Llywelyn | streuner_: Empathy is the default GNOME chat client. I will give X-Chat a try... irssi does the job as well ? |
| 22:33.49 | erawfish_ | petemc: every mail client expands until it speaks IRC obviously |
| 22:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | pidgin will do im & irc |
| 22:34.03 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: yes, irssi, which is a text mode client |
| 22:34.18 | streuner_ | Llywelyn: irssi is just an irc-client without X |
| 22:35.02 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn: so if you do stuff on your X configuration, it's a very good client to use since it works without X and allows you to get back here if something goes wrong |
| 22:35.04 | abrotman | Llywelyn: if oyu're new to linux and irc .. xchat is probably far easier for you .. |
| 22:35.18 | abrotman | Llywelyn: it's good to know how to use irssi .. but xchat is very newbie friendly |
| 22:35.47 | Llywelyn | will have a deeper look at this. erawfish_: sure this is a very interesting point. albrotman: i will install both then, and use irssi for emergency cases |
| 22:36.06 | Llywelyn | now I have to reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. I got some errors, hope this is not important |
| 22:36.20 | mguy | How do I disable network manager on only my ethernet port? I want to use it for wifi but share my wired connection with another machine |
| 22:36.43 | erawfish_ | mguy: configure your ethernet via interfaces file. man interfaces |
| 22:37.09 | streuner_ | Llywelyn: there is an easy way to do it, use a live-CD and copy the xorg config file to your system (in order to use VESA) |
| 22:38.07 | streuner_ | Llywelyn: keep in mind, VESA support only less resolution and no 3D) |
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| 22:38.51 | Llywelyn_ | this is magic. It worked :) |
| 22:39.03 | streuner_ | nvidia dkms? |
| 22:39.11 | Llywelyn_ | streuner_: yes |
| 22:39.21 | streuner_ | ok, good work then :-) |
| 22:39.40 | erawfish_ | why is that aptitude command for the kernel headers so complicated? |
| 22:39.47 | Llywelyn_ | Well, you guys did the work. You rock ;) |
| 22:39.49 | abrotman | it's not? |
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| 22:40.03 | erawfish_ | $(uname -r) is a lot easier and works as well? |
| 22:40.12 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: the difficulty was understanding it was a quote of a reaally long command |
| 22:40.13 | erawfish_ | abrotman: it looks very intimidating. see Llywelyn_ above |
| 22:40.37 | abrotman | erawfish_: i think it has to do with installing the metapackage instead of teh versioned file ? |
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| 22:40.54 | erawfish_ | could be |
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| 22:41.05 | Llywelyn_ | just one strange thing: I have my res set to "unknown" |
| 22:41.11 | erawfish_ | wonder if dkms automates this. gotta check once |
| 22:41.20 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn_: run xrandr? |
| 22:41.36 | erawfish_ | ,info nvidia-settings |
| 22:41.36 | judd | Package nvidia-settings (contrib/x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver. Version: 195.36.24-1; Size: 805.5k; Installed: 2044k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/nvidia-settings |
| 22:41.49 | Llywelyn_ | http://pastebin.com/VFPcxMA6 |
| 22:41.53 | erawfish_ | that one lets you tweak a lot of things if you use the nvidia drivers |
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| 22:43.24 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: is something wrong with my res ? |
| 22:43.36 | Llywelyn_ | xrandr seems to "fail" |
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| 22:47.07 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: can I force my resolution to 1440x900 ? |
| 22:47.15 | joeoshawa | hello, quick question can i use aptitude to install sun java in wheezy |
| 22:47.30 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn_: please install the package I mentioned and run it |
| 22:47.39 | joeoshawa | tried sun-java6-jdk but didtn't work |
| 22:47.43 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: i already ran it |
| 22:47.50 | erawfish_ | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 22:47.50 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1 |
| 22:48.16 | erawfish_ | joeoshawa: oracle doesn't allow linux distros to redistribute java anymore |
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| 22:48.39 | joeoshawa | so i need to download the package from oracle then |
| 22:48.40 | streuner_ | How stupid |
| 22:48.47 | joeoshawa | no problem |
| 22:49.00 | erawfish_ | joeoshawa: get the one from squeeze instead |
| 22:49.29 | Llywelyn_ | they are going to have the whole open source community against them... there has already been the libreoffice issue... too bad they bought Sun... |
| 22:50.00 | streuner_ | Llywelyn_: thats just, ehm, capitalsm :-) |
| 22:50.18 | themill | erawfish_: there are known security vulnerabilities with the squeeze package; a wheezy user would probably be better off with openjdk |
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| 22:50.37 | themill | joeoshawa: have you tried openjdk-6 (or openjdk-7) already? |
| 22:50.48 | Llywelyn_ | streuner_: open source and capitalism can go very well together ! (see Canonical, Mandriva, even id Software...) |
| 22:50.57 | streuner_ | wonders what kind of jave he running actually... |
| 22:51.28 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: I have to run a command from the list given by "info nvidia-settings" ? |
| 22:52.01 | joeoshawa | some things don't work with openjdk |
| 22:52.46 | joeoshawa | this is for my daughter and i need all the java stuff working for her |
| 22:52.53 | themill | joeoshawa: specifically which things? and are you talking about the wheezy packages or the squeeze packages? |
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| 22:53.22 | joeoshawa | the open java does not work with some web games and things |
| 22:53.22 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: info nvidia-settings was the package you were asking to be installed, right ? |
| 22:53.48 | themill | joeoshawa: have you actually tried it recently or are you just basing this on experience from a few years ago? |
| 22:54.00 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn_: yes, and then you run it |
| 22:54.07 | joeoshawa | tried less then three months ago |
| 22:54.17 | joeoshawa | its rare but it happens |
| 22:54.24 | themill | openjdk-7 wasn't even in debian then |
| 22:54.55 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server." is this normal ? |
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| 22:55.40 | joeoshawa | Llywelyn_, do what it says |
| 22:55.54 | joeoshawa | run nvidia-xconfig as root |
| 22:56.47 | Llywelyn_ | "WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file. New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'" |
| 22:57.07 | joeoshawa | themill, i would be willing to give it a try but it will be a pain in the ass if i have to go all the way to her mothers to fix it. |
| 22:57.21 | joeoshawa | Llywelyn_, yep |
| 22:57.27 | streuner_ | omg, iam still confused how somebody is able to paste lots of output of console via webchat |
| 22:58.05 | joeoshawa | you using gnome |
| 22:58.05 | Llywelyn_ | streuner_: i use pastebin for bigger outputs, but if you're more comfortable with always using pastebin for outputs it's okay for me |
| 22:58.06 | streuner_ | Llywelyn_: Shuttleworth makes his money in the "city", ubuntu is just a hobby of him. |
| 22:58.18 | Llywelyn_ | jeoshawa: yes |
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| 22:58.31 | joeoshawa | type gdm3 restart |
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| 22:58.48 | joeoshawa | sorry /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 22:58.52 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:58.56 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn_: if you had followed the factoid you were given earlier correctly, you'd run the nvidia drivers by now |
| 22:59.13 | joeoshawa | then the drivers are running |
| 22:59.22 | ice799 | Hi. If I have downloaded a .deb file, how can I extract the pre/post/etc scripts from it that run? |
| 22:59.32 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: do you mean that I didn't paste correctly the command given by "dpkg" ? |
| 22:59.35 | streuner_ | ice799: easy way? just use "mc" |
| 22:59.55 | streuner_ | ice799: or "ar" or "dpkg -x" |
| 23:00.34 | erawfish_ | Llywelyn_: I mean you didn't read it all. part of it was exactly that: a xorg.conf setting to load the nvidia drivers |
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| 23:01.05 | ice799 | streuner_: i used dpkg -x but i dont see the postinstall and such scripts |
| 23:01.10 | ice799 | streuner_: maybe im not looking in the right place? |
| 23:01.23 | joeoshawa | erawfish_, nvidia does it for you that is what nvidia-xconfig is for |
| 23:01.32 | streuner_ | maybe it doesnt exist, maybe its generated... |
| 23:01.35 | joeoshawa | its in the wiki |
| 23:01.38 | abrotman | ice799: why would you want to extract those files? |
| 23:01.47 | streuner_ | ice799: does it have a name? |
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| 23:02.10 | Llywelyn_ | erawfish_: how can I come back to the step I missed ? |
| 23:02.12 | ice799 | abrotman: i wanna see what it does before i run it on my system |
| 23:02.20 | streuner_ | ice799: the package, and where did you download that deb? |
| 23:02.21 | ice799 | streuner_: some random package from the internetsz |
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| 23:02.34 | abrotman | ice799: ar x foo.deb .. you'll see two tar.gz files .. extract the control file .. you'll see the scripts |
| 23:02.40 | ice799 | ah ok |
| 23:02.41 | themill | ice799: use mc or dpkg-deb -e |
| 23:02.42 | ice799 | thanks abrotman |
| 23:02.58 | joeoshawa | can you use tv out from older nvidia cards with the open drivers |
| 23:03.03 | streuner_ | its always a bad idea to use random debs of the i-net... |
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| 23:04.12 | joeoshawa | Llywelyn_, you restart x? |
| 23:04.14 | Llywelyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.06 | Llywelyn_ | joeoshawa: no i didn't. According to erawfish_ i don't need this to run the nvidia drivers ? |
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| 23:05.30 | joeoshawa | Llywelyn_, the nvidia program wrote the file you need |
| 23:05.52 | joeoshawa | all you need to do is restart x to start using the nvidia drivers |
| 23:06.09 | jelly-home | except if nouveau was active before that |
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| 23:06.40 | jelly-home | then he'd need a reboot to get rid of the nouveau-driven fb console |
| 23:07.04 | streuner_ | only ONE guy should help him, otherwise, i fear, he isnt able to run X in hours... |
| 23:07.05 | joeoshawa | might be better off rebooting anyway just to be sure |
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| 23:07.38 | joeoshawa | nvidia drivers are easy no point in reinventing the wheel but whatever |
| 23:07.51 | joeoshawa | i have installed them three times in two days |
| 23:08.11 | joeoshawa | gonna do it again tonight with the older version today probably |
| 23:08.17 | Llywelyn_ | streuner_: i agree, but any help is welcome :) do i need to reboot then ? restart X ? erawfish_, are you still here ? |
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| 23:08.40 | streuner_ | Llywelyn_: i just run VESA :-P |
| 23:08.57 | streuner_ | and VESA isnt able to 1440 work... |
| 23:09.07 | Llywelyn_ | streuner_: i am quite new to Linux, but VESA is an alternative to X, right ? |
| 23:09.22 | joeoshawa | its a video driver i believe |
| 23:09.23 | Llywelyn_ | i remember being offered to use it on Puppy Linux |
| 23:09.26 | streuner_ | !vesa |
| 23:09.26 | dpkg | VESA stands for "Video Electronics Standards Association" and is a mode that can be used on video cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. Not accelerated. The vesa Xorg driver (xserver-xorg-video-vesa package) is incompatible with <KMS>. |
| 23:09.57 | abrotman | he complains about too many people helping .. then starts helping .. genius must mean something else in german |
| 23:10.03 | streuner_ | Llywelyn_: VESA is a standard method when other drivers dont work |
| 23:10.18 | streuner_ | he just ask me... |
| 23:10.34 | streuner_ | directly |
| 23:11.02 | joeoshawa | the reason people use nvidia drivers instead of open ones is 3d is not really supported yet |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | streuner_: you said it before he asked you .. nice try |
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| 23:11.21 | streuner_ | abrotman: but yes, your are right, at some time you have to be consequent |
| 23:11.27 | Llywelyn_ | Thanks. Well, I believe i don't want to screw up my system. Maybe i just need to read more carefully and be more patient with the help i have already been given. So I guess i'd better leave things like this. |
| 23:11.40 | joeoshawa | i like the nvidia settings manager tho |
| 23:12.16 | Llywelyn_ | Thanks to everybody for doing such a warm support at #debian :) and be assured that your help is appreciated ! |
| 23:12.18 | joeoshawa | Llywelyn_, my suggestion is reboot since nvidia just wrote a nice new xorg.conf for you |
| 23:12.23 | joeoshawa | but its up to you |
| 23:12.35 | Llywelyn_ | joeoshawa: i'm going to do it now ;) |
| 23:12.42 | joeoshawa | cool |
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| 23:13.18 | joeoshawa | if you have an issue remove the xorg.conf |
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| 23:13.26 | joeoshawa | and reboot |
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| 23:15.03 | Llywelyn | Well, it worked. I am now running the good res with all the good parameters. So I guess the reboot was the good option :) |
| 23:15.04 | joeoshawa | so when you install wheezy from the multiarch cd does it install openjdk7 |
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| 23:15.59 | joeoshawa | nope |
| 23:16.05 | joeoshawa | openjdk6 |
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| 23:17.42 | joeoshawa | Llywelyn, cool cheers |
| 23:18.04 | Llywelyn | Thank you joeoshawa, and all the others who helped |
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| 23:19.39 | ws2k3 | in one debian machine i have Chain INPUT (policy DROP) in the other i have : Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) what the differense or why is this? |
| 23:19.53 | joeoshawa | lol i didn't do anything really the others did |
| 23:20.17 | joeoshawa | i just restated what the computer told you |
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| 23:20.48 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: if no rule matches a given packet, the default policy action is performed. as to why it is set like that... because somebody configured it that way! :P |
| 23:20.55 | streuner_ | whatever, the most important thing is, that it works |
| 23:21.34 | joeoshawa | this is true |
| 23:22.01 | joeoshawa | hope the same goes for openjdk7 |
| 23:22.13 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 can i use iptables to look in a packet? |
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| 23:22.30 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: that's what it is, a packet filter... |
| 23:22.41 | thewanderer1 | or rather, a configuration tool for a packet filter (Netfilter) |
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| 23:23.53 | ws2k3 | a normale connection is around 10 kbps. somethings it gets around 150 kbps then a bot is ddosing me. i know which packet they send to me. how should i block this |
| 23:24.24 | ws2k3 | for example i wanne build that one kind of packet not can be send more then 100 times per minet or so |
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| 23:24.42 | joeoshawa | i have a 1.4ghz processor in this thing with 1024meg ram running debian with gnome what is the leanest fully featured browser i can use |
| 23:24.45 | ws2k3 | if its over 100 times per minit then close connection and set the ip adres on a black list |
| 23:25.30 | erawfish_ | joeoshawa: any. iceweasel, chromium. there is no browser you can't run |
| 23:25.38 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: probably something like iptables -m limit match... it's surely documented on the Web somewhere |
| 23:26.04 | erawfish_ | joeoshawa: btw, a P4 at 1.4GHz is a lot slower than a i3 at that speed. or atom at 1.4 is very slow too |
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| 23:26.22 | ws2k3 | so ur are sure i can detecs spesific packets? |
| 23:26.35 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: read up on iptables, see what it can match and decide |
| 23:26.41 | joeoshawa | p4 1.4 with pc133 ram |
| 23:26.48 | erawfish_ | ws2k3: iptables can do layer 7 filtering if you really want to, so yes you can do it |
| 23:26.59 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: the scenario you've mentioned is entirely implementable |
| 23:27.08 | ws2k3 | ist tere a module for that? |
| 23:27.25 | joeoshawa | iceweasel is running a little slow not much mind you but a bit |
| 23:28.18 | joeoshawa | epiphany is brutal slow |
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| 23:28.21 | bhundven | joeoshawa: I agree with erawfish_. compare (p4 1.4) pc133 with (i3 1.4) ddr3-1066. the later is much, much faster! |
| 23:28.42 | joeoshawa | yes but this is what i have for her lol |
| 23:28.44 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-limit-linux-syn-attacks.html I'll let you do the reading |
| 23:28.54 | joeoshawa | will upgrade when i can |
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| 23:29.29 | thewanderer1 | joeoshawa: Chromium is fine for me on Pentium 3 933MHz, try it :P |
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| 23:29.40 | joeoshawa | thanks |
| 23:30.08 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 thx! |
| 23:31.06 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 do u have any idea why this rule: iptables -A INPUT -p UDP --source-port 80 --destination-port 28960:28990 -j DROP does work on the server which policy has acepted but dont work ont he server with policy DROP |
| 23:31.19 | joeoshawa | gonna remove epiphany |
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| 23:32.00 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: not at a first glance, no... I'd have to look into it but am already going to sleep, sorry |
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| 23:32.29 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 no problem thx |
| 23:32.38 | bhundven | ws2k3: I don't see why you'd put a drop policy in a chain whos default policy is drop. |
| 23:33.03 | joeoshawa | i was in here doing this a year ago for my kids lol motherboard gave out |
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| 23:34.12 | bhundven | ws2k3: also, by "does not work" do you mean iptables fails to load that policy, or it never catches any packets? |
| 23:34.28 | ws2k3 | it never catches that packets |
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| 23:34.40 | ws2k3 | and if i hit iptables -L i dont see my DROP rule |
| 23:35.14 | bhundven | ok, that sounds to me like it fails to load the policy |
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| 23:35.59 | ws2k3 | well in iptables i see the INPUT chain |
| 23:36.06 | ws2k3 | but my rule isnt there |
| 23:36.11 | bhundven | exactly |
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| 23:37.49 | ws2k3 | bhundven well i shall ask it otherwise. can i let iptables itself block adresses based on detection |
| 23:37.59 | joeoshawa | thewanderer1, very fast thank you |
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| 23:38.20 | ws2k3 | can i make a blacklist and that iptables LOG ip adress to that blacklist? |
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| 23:41.02 | bhundven | ws2k3: not that I'm aware of |
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| 23:43.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyoneelse having issues with 'querybts wnpp' atm? |
| 23:43.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | i keep getting time outs |
| 23:43.19 | bhundven | he left while I was researching... oh well |
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| 23:44.42 | streuner_ | its a known problem |
| 23:44.49 | streuner_ | ... |
| 23:46.12 | streuner_ | Kamping_Kaiser: so tell us news :-P |
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| 23:46.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | streuner_: i'm unable to file an rfp because of it :p |
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| 23:47.35 | streuner_ | Kamping_Kaiser: Whats an "rfp" again? |
| 23:47.50 | jelly-home | request for ASK THE BOT DAMMIT |
| 23:48.04 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 23:48.21 | streuner_ | well, iam lazy today :-P |
| 23:48.30 | jelly-home | oh, fuck you then |
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| 23:48.47 | streuner_ | dpkg, rfp |
| 23:48.48 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
| 23:49.08 | jelly-home | you may want to tell yourself about msg the bot, too |
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| 23:49.38 | streuner_ | jelly-home: are you abrotman by any chance? :-) |
| 23:49.42 | jelly-home | </rage> |
| 23:50.03 | jelly-home | no, I'd have kicked you if I was <g> |
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| 23:50.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 23:50.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | feel the #d love |
| 23:50.30 | streuner_ | jelly-home: you dont deserve to be an OP then. |
| 23:50.43 | jelly-home | I'm glad I'm not! |
| 23:50.56 | streuner_ | me too. |
| 23:51.05 | themill | fixes streuner_'s / key so that he can /msg the bot in future |
| 23:51.12 | streuner_ | too many problems |
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| 23:51.44 | abrotman | with your / key? |
| 23:51.49 | ivan81 | exscuse me, because from the last reboot the lcd display of my acer aspire 1355lc is off, there is someone who know, where I can find informations in the system to understand if that is a hardware or a framebuffer problem? |
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| 23:52.25 | jelly-home | ivan81: does it switch on after a complete power cycle? |
| 23:52.57 | jelly-home | ivan81: as in, power off the machine, remove and reinsert battery, power it back on? |
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| 23:53.35 | jelly-home | oh -- forgot unplugging the power cord |
| 23:54.59 | ivan81 | actually i'm on my aspire anda i 've a crt monitor plugged on the svga out connector |
| 23:55.01 | joeoshawa | so you can't remove epiphany without losing gnome? |
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| 23:56.01 | ivan81 | jelly-home: actually i'm on my aspire anda i 've a crt monitor plugged on the svga out connector |
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| 23:58.30 | jelly-home | ivan81: disconnect all of those, repeat the powercycle test |
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