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| 00:00.19 | streuner_ | themill: you deserve to be an OP then, with all the geekness you have ;-) |
| 00:00.24 | ivan81 | my battery pack is exausted if i unplug the power cord the notebook switchoff suddenly like a desktop pc |
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| 00:00.45 | themill | sends streuner_ off to sober up for a while |
| 00:01.17 | jelly-home | ivan81: that's good. The idea is to see if the local display will power on after a power on from a total power loss |
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| 00:02.29 | ivan81 | jelly-home: now i try this, see you later |
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| 00:02.40 | jelly-home | ivan81: if it does, it's a bios or driver issue. You might use xrandr to power on the output manually (or a driver specific tool) |
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| 00:03.08 | ivan81 | ok now i try |
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| 00:05.43 | streuner_ | themill: it was a hard day today, lots of work, but i dont like if somebody searching for mistakes, in a channel where people usually should help each other... |
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| 00:09.44 | streuner_ | themill: look what kind of people were before OP, and nobody of them made cyber-stalking |
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| 00:20.59 | ivan81 | jelly-home: i've tried to unplug the power cord but nothing change after the reboot |
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| 00:21.28 | ivan81 | jelly-home: i've tried to unplug the power cord but nothing is changed after the reboot |
| 00:22.02 | ScottG | Is there a way to determine when I initially installed my OS? |
| 00:22.17 | streuner_ | dpkg.log? |
| 00:22.18 | jelly-home | I'll let someone else help you, ivan81, going to bed |
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| 00:23.05 | streuner_ | ScottG: dpkg.log i guess, but i fear there is no way to find that out |
| 00:23.23 | ivan81 | jelly-home: ok, if not see you tomorrow, bye |
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| 00:24.02 | booi | How do you add a global hotspare mdadm device? I have 2 arrays and i want them to share a hotspare device. |
| 00:24.48 | themill | ScottG: /var/log/installer/ |
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| 00:27.34 | ScottG | themill: Which file in there? |
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| 00:28.29 | themill | ScottG: any of them |
| 00:28.46 | streuner_ | -rw------- 1 root root 108801 Okt 21 2010 questions.dat |
| 00:28.46 | streuner_ | -rw------- 1 root root 340801 Okt 21 2010 templates.dat |
| 00:29.14 | streuner_ | debian:~# ls -l /var/log/installer/* |
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| 00:31.00 | streuner_ | but, wait, 31.okt.2010? this machine running more than 3 years on Debian ... |
| 00:31.01 | ScottG | themill: Not all of them have dates in the |
| 00:31.02 | ScottG | m |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | 2010 ... three years? |
| 00:31.21 | streuner_ | s/31/21/ |
| 00:31.26 | streuner_ | no |
| 00:31.36 | ScottG | themill: Oh nvm |
| 00:32.01 | streuner_ | i guess, i have this laptop more than 1 year.... |
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| 00:34.18 | streuner_ | in the past, nobody was able to answer this question |
| 00:34.32 | streuner_ | IIRC |
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| 00:40.52 | streuner_ | (best bet is you are a real Debian fan and just bought the machine and have the invoice...) ;-) |
| 00:41.31 | babilen | streuner_: Take it somewhere else please |
| 00:42.12 | streuner_ | babilen: at this time still awake? |
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| 00:42.53 | nopp | :) |
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| 00:44.34 | streuner_ | babilen: welcome into club (du Schleimer) |
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| 00:45.29 | babilen | streuner_: Knock it off |
| 00:45.52 | streuner_ | babilen: how about your friendlyness? |
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| 00:46.20 | themill | streuner_: enough, thanks. Ramble in an offtopic channel rather than #debian. |
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| 00:46.57 | streuner_ | themill: no, thanks :-) |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | streuner_: put the bottle down, go to bed .. you're being an ass |
| 00:47.50 | streuner_ | all geeks are together, ok, ic :-) |
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| 01:07.17 | Lymia | Does anybody know any Mist-like GTK3 themes? |
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| 01:07.46 | oldtopman | How do I use sun-java with a game that requires default-jre? |
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| 01:08.58 | nevyn | oldtopman: update-java-alternatives |
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| 01:11.21 | oldtopman | nevyn: Thanks. |
| 01:12.07 | oldtopman | nevyn: erm, where is that? (if it's even a package) |
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| 01:13.17 | oldtopman | nowait, dpkg told me what it's about. |
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| 01:16.45 | cardamon | Trying to setup Win7 on my grub2. I'm not sure which partition to put in for it. Win7 went weird and made itself two partitions.../dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3. sda2 is tiny in block size and has a bootable flag. And I'm not sure what that is in the ( hdx,x) syntax grub goes by. |
| 01:16.45 | oldtopman | nevyn: default-jre is still trying to install openjre/openjdk |
| 01:17.12 | oldtopman | cardamon: Join the win7 club :X |
| 01:17.28 | cardamon | ? |
| 01:17.32 | oldtopman | cardamon: The one with the bootable slag should be the one you should boot. |
| 01:17.35 | oldtopman | flag* |
| 01:17.51 | cardamon | alright. I figured. Is that (hd0,2)? |
| 01:18.01 | MaXim_ | how good's debian ppc? |
| 01:18.07 | MaXim_ | i've just acquired an old emac for free |
| 01:18.26 | cardamon | I'm used to the old way grub handled them, and by used to means I've forgotten enough to get me in trouble. |
| 01:18.31 | oldtopman | cardamon: 0,1 |
| 01:18.37 | streuner_ | Macs just suck on Linux |
| 01:18.37 | oldtopman | (Start counting up from 0 |
| 01:18.59 | oldtopman | MaXim_: Worth a shot :P |
| 01:19.10 | MaXim_ | hah |
| 01:19.13 | cardamon | oldtopman: The implication from guides floating around the net is that grub2 switched its ording so it starts at 1. |
| 01:19.15 | streuner_ | (in most cases...) |
| 01:19.35 | oldtopman | hrm |
| 01:19.52 | oldtopman | Tis only a restart. |
| 01:22.07 | MaXim_ | also |
| 01:22.11 | streuner_ | MaXim_: there are entries about Macs in wiki.debia.org |
| 01:22.20 | MaXim_ | squeeze doesn't have xfce 4.8 does it |
| 01:22.36 | streuner_ | judd, versions xfce |
| 01:22.37 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 01:22.55 | oldtopman | Works now, makes no sense though, I have both javas :P |
| 01:23.18 | MaXim_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/PowerPC/NewWorld |
| 01:23.20 | MaXim_ | real useful :P |
| 01:23.46 | MaXim_ | ah found the real page |
| 01:23.53 | MaXim_ | DebianOnPowerPC |
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| 01:24.16 | streuner_ | MaXim_: feel free to alternate the entries |
| 01:24.32 | MaXim_ | o well i'll give it a shot |
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| 01:24.49 | MaXim_ | poor thing only has 512mb of ram |
| 01:24.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, MaXim_ ++ |
| 01:24.50 | dpkg | streuner_: no idea |
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| 01:24.58 | streuner_ | dpkg, MaXim_++ |
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| 01:25.21 | MaXim_ | its probably not a good idea to alternate those pages |
| 01:25.35 | MaXim_ | even though all the macs listed are new world ones |
| 01:25.38 | streuner_ | MaXim_: 512MB is really poor nowadays |
| 01:25.52 | MaXim_ | yea but the damn thing takes PC133 SDRAM |
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| 01:26.01 | streuner_ | omg |
| 01:26.03 | MaXim_ | try getting 1gb sticks of those in non-registered ECC |
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| 01:26.18 | MaXim_ | my sun blade has 8gb of PC133 :P |
| 01:26.47 | Dulak | It's not that bad on a server if you get rid of some of the ram hogs and replace them with more efficient services. IE apache2 -> nginx for web |
| 01:27.08 | Dulak | I have a 512mb server that can do 10k req/second |
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| 01:27.44 | _r00t_ | I'm with maxim on this ..., 512mb *should* be plenty |
| 01:27.48 | MaXim_ | bloody all in one computers |
| 01:28.05 | MaXim_ | would want to be careful poking around here lest i get nasty shocks |
| 01:28.08 | streuner_ | hallejua |
| 01:28.21 | _r00t_ | !dsl |
| 01:28.21 | dpkg | dsl is probably Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux on irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 01:28.33 | _r00t_ | !vsl |
| 01:28.33 | streuner_ | 512 MB or 1 GB, who want more in Linux? |
| 01:28.45 | MaXim_ | i ran wheezy with no too much trouble on a pentium mmx |
| 01:28.47 | MaXim_ | 128mb of ram |
| 01:29.00 | Dulak | Try running mongo on 512m, that's not fun. |
| 01:29.05 | MaXim_ | the failing point was the cpu |
| 01:29.07 | streuner_ | thats enough to run nothing |
| 01:29.16 | MaXim_ | too damn slow for apt |
| 01:29.18 | aypea[2] | has 8gb in his desktop. at one point 4gb went to his web browser and 1gb to his mp3 player. |
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| 01:29.32 | MaXim_ | 1gb mp3 player? |
| 01:29.34 | MaXim_ | what |
| 01:29.50 | aypea[2] | yeah. it leaks memory rather impressively. |
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| 01:30.48 | _r00t_ | !kame |
| 01:30.49 | MaXim_ | what player is this |
| 01:31.45 | _r00t_ | !how to download good quality pr0n ... not that rubbish stuff you find on tube sites |
| 01:32.39 | aypea[2] | maxim: actually it was xmms back in the day. audacious is much better behaved. |
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| 01:33.46 | MaXim_ | lol xmms |
| 01:33.49 | MaXim_ | that takes me back |
| 01:33.52 | rektide | what command line tools are there for listing who implements/fulfills a virtual package |
| 01:33.57 | MaXim_ | deadbeef is the new kid on the block, much better |
| 01:34.16 | aypea[2] | heh. 240MB for mutt (justifiable - mailbox is 2.7GB), 168MB for java, 106M for Xorg. screen is 65MB :) |
| 01:34.18 | nrdb | any have any idea why the setup raid1->dm_crypt->lvm does not work but raid1->lvm->dm_crypt does? |
| 01:34.35 | aypea[2] | maxim: no deb package :) |
| 01:34.55 | MaXim_ | make one then |
| 01:35.48 | rektide | mutt alternatives call me |
| 01:35.48 | aypea[2] | not worth the hassle for me atm. audacious does the job I need done well enough. |
| 01:35.59 | MaXim_ | this comp came out of a smoking house |
| 01:36.03 | rektide | what mpd clients do ya'll use? :) |
| 01:36.03 | MaXim_ | nasty tar deposited on the fan blades |
| 01:36.16 | MaXim_ | i don't use mpd because it doesn't support my audio files :P |
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| 01:38.28 | joeoshawa | MaXim_, you could always lick it off :P lol |
| 01:39.56 | MaXim_ | eww |
| 01:40.05 | MaXim_ | im having a nasty enough time removing it from the blades |
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| 01:41.58 | joeoshawa | how would you get it off the board |
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| 01:43.15 | MaXim_ | it's only stuck on the fans |
| 01:43.31 | MaXim_ | im assuming the owner before last didn't smoke, and the last owner only had it for 2 months |
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| 01:44.01 | Ziber | What's the command to show what groups a user is a member of? |
| 01:44.13 | streuner_ | id? |
| 01:44.28 | Ziber | Ah yes, ty. I had a brain fart. |
| 01:44.45 | nrdb | Ziber, you can use "cat groups|grep <user> -" |
| 01:44.57 | Ziber | Yes, I know, but I knew there was a command for it as well. |
| 01:45.38 | streuner_ | Ziber: no worries, /me forget many things too... |
| 01:45.41 | MaXim_ | groups works too |
| 01:45.43 | MaXim_ | but wont show gids |
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| 01:51.23 | aypea[2] | i get this so often: Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) |
| 01:52.08 | nrdb | are there any advantages/disadvantage to putting raid on a partition instead of a drive? |
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| 01:54.50 | Dulak | When you raid partitions if the drive fails you lose it all. You raid across drives to protect against hardware failure, not corruption, since corruption will be copied regardless. |
| 01:55.49 | Dulak | Well not always, but close enough to make the exceptions statistically insignificant. |
| 01:57.10 | epsilon | nrdb: which config do you have in mind? (number of discs, raid level) |
| 01:57.32 | nrdb | Dulak, I know that putting two partitions from the same drive in a raid setup it just asking for trouble. I am thinking of setting up a raid1 with /dev/sda and /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
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| 01:57.53 | Dulak | nrdb: As long as it's across drives it's good. |
| 01:58.09 | Dulak | nrdb: it's 2 partitions on the same drive that is insanity. |
| 01:58.29 | nrdb | Dulak, oh yes |
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| 01:59.14 | nrdb | Dulak, I wonder how many do that basic mistake? hmmmm |
| 01:59.37 | Dulak | That's one of the many reasons I labeled an old boss insane. He thought that was a great idea, then dumped the blame on me when it crashed and burned, even though I fought him tooth and nail at the time. Good times. |
| 02:00.43 | epsilon | nrdb: I strongly recommend to partition the drive, then add them to a raid. So sda1, sda2, so on each paired with sdb1, sdb2... |
| 02:00.55 | nrdb | Dulak, bosses that don't listen... at least mine does. |
| 02:01.01 | nrdb | epsilon, why? |
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| 02:01.18 | Dulak | That works in identical drives, but if the drives are different sizes you lose raid 1 |
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| 02:01.59 | epsilon | nrdb: it's nature of harddrives to have partitons. Beside that, operations with partitions makes the life easier if you replace drives |
| 02:02.00 | nrdb | hadn't thought of that one. |
| 02:02.17 | nrdb | ok. partitions it is. |
| 02:02.46 | Dulak | And I said that wrong, I meant raiding a drive vs partition. |
| 02:03.00 | rektide | what command line tools are there for listing who implements/fulfills a virtual package? |
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| 02:03.17 | epsilon | nrdb: using the partition, you have extra layer allowing you to be very flexible - for example if you want to use lager drive or even NFS |
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| 02:04.23 | Americain | i have a 13gb wordlist file, is there anyway i can split it up into smaller files but backtrack 5 still recognise the pieces on their own? |
| 02:05.24 | nrdb | epsilon, ok. |
| 02:05.50 | raenk | I have a Linux-Windows network pickle. I have a win box accesing a debian box through samba, however, the debian server also receives other linux clients through NFS and i need both clients to be able to edit each others created files, so i need to unify the permissions. If I create a file from a linux client, the win client can read it, but can't edit it. I was trying using "guest only" option on samba conf, but it does not work. |
| 02:06.20 | Dulak | rektide: you mean how do you see what packages provide fulfillment for a virtual package? |
| 02:06.56 | rektide | Dulak: how can i see all the packages which will provide 'dhcp-client'? |
| 02:07.00 | nrdb | raenk, could you not use smbfs instead of NFS |
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| 02:07.34 | raenk | nrdb: you mean use NFS for windows boxes as well ? |
| 02:07.38 | rektide | useless bastards |
| 02:07.38 | Dulak | rektide: aptitude show dhcp-client |
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| 02:07.54 | rektide | :p foo on me, sorry, i thought it was gonna be hard |
| 02:08.04 | Dulak | rektide: that's how I do it anyways, if you want to script it you'll need to add some grep and/or awk to the mix |
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| 02:08.22 | rektide | N: Can't select versions from package 'dhcp-client' as it is purely virtual |
| 02:08.33 | nrdb | raenk, no!... use smbfs on the linux boxes, so everybody is using the same thing... it is usable in /etc/fstab etc. |
| 02:08.38 | rektide | no can do boss |
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| 02:09.00 | Dulak | rektide: umm I get: Provided by: dhcpcd, pump |
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| 02:10.13 | raenk | nrdb: but the permissions issue would remain, wouldn't ? |
| 02:10.16 | rektide | Dulak: huh. i'll try upgrading my apt tools. ok. 0.8.15 now. same result. |
| 02:11.01 | Dulak | rektide: http://dpaste.com/645829/ |
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| 02:12.35 | Americain | who wants to suck me off? |
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| 02:14.08 | nrdb | raenk, in the mount command you can specify options (e.g. file_mode=666, dir_mode=777) to help with permissions. |
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| 02:15.08 | nrdb | raenk, that will affect any newly created files and directorys. |
| 02:15.36 | raenk | nrdb: the problem is not the linux side, but windows. I want to manipulate how windows access the shares |
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| 02:16.33 | Dulak | raenk: I solved the problem with a cron job that fixes perms on the files on the linux side, it runs every 2 minutes and fixes perms so the group has rwx access to the files in the share. It was easier than wading through the mess that is cifs |
| 02:16.59 | Dulak | raenk: It's a dirty hack but it works for a small group |
| 02:17.46 | nrdb | raenk, but if the files are created by the linux computer have permission set to allow access from the Windows computers wont that handle your problem.. |
| 02:18.14 | raenk | Dulak: yeah that's how I have it right now, but I'm trying to find out a "clean" way |
| 02:18.21 | Dulak | The problem is in a default setup every user has a different group |
| 02:18.50 | Dulak | So you gotta put the nfs users into a common group, and get your umask and mount perms right. |
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| 02:19.24 | nrdb | Dulak, snap |
| 02:19.36 | MaXim_ | cdimage.debian.org is SLOOOW |
| 02:19.46 | Dulak | It's so not worth it for under 10 users, unless you are billing hourly |
| 02:19.50 | MaXim_ | must be behind the iron curtain or something lol |
| 02:20.49 | ajikeshi_ | MaXim_, try the torrents :D |
| 02:21.11 | joeoshawa | MaXim_, i downloaded the multiarch cd it was 14 min or so |
| 02:21.43 | joeoshawa | torrents suck here i am in canada |
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| 02:21.56 | raenk | Dulak: Yes and i give RW permissions to files and folders for the specific group |
| 02:22.20 | Dulak | raenk: And you need your umask to denote that |
| 02:23.47 | raenk | nrdb: When I create a file from a windows box it has for example "bego" as the owner and "users" as the group, but the user "raenk" from the linux box can't edit the file, just read because is 644 |
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| 02:25.20 | Dulak | raenk: in your samba.conf: create mask = 770 |
| 02:25.25 | nrdb | raenk, oh! so the windows is creating it with the wrong permissions. |
| 02:25.56 | Dulak | raenk: you can control the create mask and the dir mask in the samba config to force whatever umask you need |
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| 02:26.37 | MaXim_ | ajikeshi_: will do |
| 02:26.46 | joeoshawa | k i am setting up a debian box on a p4 1.4ghz w 1024meg ram for 4 girls ages 2,5,11,12 any suggestions on software to put on? |
| 02:26.50 | Dulak | It's actually samba, since windows doesn't understand unix perms samba will force them at creation |
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| 02:27.02 | MaXim_ | gnu chess |
| 02:27.07 | MaXim_ | xbill |
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| 02:27.37 | joeoshawa | aptitude install gnu_chess? |
| 02:27.57 | MaXim_ | something like that |
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| 02:28.53 | nrdb | joeoshawa, from my observation most time will be spent on facebook (no extra software needed)... he he he |
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| 02:29.36 | raenk | Dulak: so, I would end up with the same result as the cron job solution, correct ? |
| 02:29.48 | joeoshawa | nrdb, none of them are old enough for fb |
| 02:29.50 | Dulak | That reminds me I setup some POS systems for an all-women's gym, and all they ever do is go to facebook. Literally no other sites. |
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| 02:30.19 | joeoshawa | facebook minimum age is 13 and we don't allow chat for them |
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| 02:30.37 | Dulak | raenk: yes, just force the umask(s) you need in the share section of the samba.conf, and manually fix perms for existing files, and new files should match the new umask |
| 02:31.08 | Dulak | yeah but young kids lie to get access |
| 02:31.37 | joeoshawa | their not allowed unsupervised access and i am the admin |
| 02:31.56 | joeoshawa | next job is installing snooping software |
| 02:32.25 | joeoshawa | after 16 they can go on any site they please till then what i say goes |
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| 02:34.26 | joeoshawa | although my daughter with aspergers could find ways around that |
| 02:34.47 | joeoshawa | the one problem with "gifted" children |
| 02:34.56 | joeoshawa | there smarter then you |
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| 02:37.27 | MaXim_ | lol |
| 02:37.47 | MaXim_ | shouldn't have canceled the cdimage download until i confirmed there were actually seeds on the torrent |
| 02:37.53 | MaXim_ | 0kb/s ftw |
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| 02:42.28 | Bhavic | Hey guys, i forgot which tool to use for partitioning GPT partitions/drives (ie 2tb drive) |
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| 02:43.12 | Bhavic | Any recommendations |
| 02:43.18 | Bhavic | I knew of one, but can't recall the name.. |
| 02:43.26 | boudiccas | gparted |
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| 02:48.06 | raenk | Dulak: do you know a way to change permissions in bulk differentiating between directories and files ? |
| 02:49.39 | joeoshawa | what keyloggers and such are there for debian for watching what your kids are doing |
| 02:50.11 | joeoshawa | and yes i tell my kids the computer is being recorded |
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| 02:52.46 | peterrooney | well, rumor has it that logkeys is a keylogger package |
| 02:53.19 | joeoshawa | truth be told its not my kids i am worried about |
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| 02:54.00 | peterrooney | then why did you mention your kids? |
| 02:54.02 | joeoshawa | they don't care i watch what they do its if they happen upon a "chat" site for kids. |
| 02:54.29 | joeoshawa | with my kids by the time they care i am watching i won't be |
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| 02:55.44 | joeoshawa | i just want to keep the creepy bastards away |
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| 02:56.49 | joeoshawa | is there a way to record all the web pages they visit and what they read/type |
| 02:56.54 | peterrooney | a keylogger isn't what you're looking for. |
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| 02:57.22 | joeoshawa | no not really |
| 02:57.36 | peterrooney | squid on a transparent proxy? |
| 02:57.50 | joeoshawa | i want them to check out stuff and mess with the computer |
| 02:58.22 | joeoshawa | if they screw it up i will fix it |
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| 02:59.35 | Bhavic | Uh hm |
| 02:59.38 | Bhavic | Why does it say |
| 02:59.49 | Bhavic | gparted trys to open a gui |
| 02:59.55 | Bhavic | But GNOME isn't installed |
| 03:00.46 | joeoshawa | no it only records frequently visited web pages and probably wouldn't record a chat site if they managed to get on one |
| 03:00.48 | superlinux | hi. when I run VLC on this radio http://listen.sky.fm/webplayer/smoothjazz247.pls, it plays it verry fast with high tempo. how can I let it go on normal tempo? |
| 03:00.51 | Bhavic | gparted - GNOME partition editor |
| 03:01.21 | somiaj | Bhavic: do you just want parted? |
| 03:01.25 | Bhavic | Ah yea |
| 03:01.35 | Bhavic | Thanks lol |
| 03:01.50 | superlinux | I am using gnome mplayer to play it normally |
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| 03:04.01 | joeoshawa | what about a screen capture script running in the background recording every 15 seconds or so |
| 03:04.29 | joeoshawa | while the browser is open |
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| 03:08.50 | peterrooney | joeoshawa: and, tshark -f "port 80" for the extra overkill? |
| 03:09.07 | joeoshawa | what's that do |
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| 03:13.00 | joeoshawa | tshark is great but how would i know what port a chat program will use to record it |
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| 03:15.09 | joeoshawa | so tshark could record all info passing through the network port no? |
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| 03:20.19 | lalalawhatever | gosh I hate grub2 |
| 03:21.55 | peterrooney | joeoshawa: yes; though (i) it won't help if the site uses SSL , and (ii) not all chat interfaces are sent as readily marked plain text. |
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| 03:23.03 | vitorlobo | boa noite pessoal |
| 03:23.12 | vitorlobo | acabei de instalar o debian 6.0.3 squeeze |
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| 03:23.17 | lalalawhatever | hey there... I wanted to install another linux in a little partition I had spare, this crap replaced grub with brug2, it uses a videomode not supported by my monitor, it does not show my Debian listed either and my changes are not obeyed when I add to add it to grub/40_custom |
| 03:23.18 | vitorlobo | so que estou com um problema.... |
| 03:23.19 | vitorlobo | ops |
| 03:23.23 | vitorlobo | english hehe |
| 03:23.24 | vitorlobo | sorry |
| 03:23.25 | vitorlobo | >.< |
| 03:23.27 | peterrooney | your screen capture idea might work a lot better; personally I prefer over-the-shoulder method |
| 03:23.52 | lalalawhatever | now, somebody tell me how the H to recover my Debian grub, I could not chroot because deb is in 64 and this thing is 32 |
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| 03:24.23 | lalalawhatever | !es @ vitorlobo |
| 03:24.24 | dpkg | @ vitorlobo: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 03:24.32 | lalalawhatever | tambien en espanol |
| 03:24.49 | MaXim_ | bloody hell |
| 03:24.54 | MaXim_ | macs are a pain to disassemble |
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| 03:25.14 | lalalawhatever | if you have a mac you deserve hell |
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| 03:25.38 | peterrooney | MaXim_: depends on the mac. 7600s were easy; IIci moderate; ibooks are an exercise in tetris |
| 03:25.39 | joeoshawa | i thought so unfortunately i have no idea how to write scripts but it would probably be more resource friendly |
| 03:26.13 | joeoshawa | never had a mac |
| 03:26.31 | DanDare | Hello. Im with this old problem of discovering the public IP. I have a script that uses curl to retrieve data from whatsmyip.com, but now the site just banned accessing this way. Any clue on how to retrieve my public IP from a script ? |
| 03:26.33 | MaXim_ | lol |
| 03:26.36 | joeoshawa | had a xt clone |
| 03:26.39 | MaXim_ | i once had a power mac 7220 |
| 03:26.42 | MaXim_ | one of those PC case ones |
| 03:26.46 | MaXim_ | even those were a pain to get open |
| 03:27.22 | tensorpudding | powermac g5's are pretty easy to work with |
| 03:27.45 | joeoshawa | my dad bought an xt clone (not ibm) with ms dos on it, was expensive as all hell |
| 03:28.01 | MaXim_ | "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured." |
| 03:28.02 | MaXim_ | wat |
| 03:28.03 | peterrooney | joeoshawa: exemplis gratis: while sleep 15 ; do CAPTURE_PROGRAM > capture$(date +%F%T) ; done |
| 03:28.44 | joeoshawa | so just put that in a file and run it on startup? |
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| 03:28.58 | joeoshawa | or when she starts the browser |
| 03:29.09 | joeoshawa | ? |
| 03:29.11 | peterrooney | DanDare: Why not ask your machine, eg. ifconfig, or your router ? |
| 03:29.28 | MaXim_ | oh |
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| 03:29.32 | MaXim_ | cdrom is unreadable |
| 03:29.37 | MaXim_ | bloody CD-RWs |
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| 03:30.10 | somiaj | DanDare: do you have ssh access to an outside server, you can use it to determine your ip |
| 03:30.34 | DanDare | peterrooney, how to use ifconfig to discover the public IP ? |
| 03:30.54 | DanDare | somiaj, you mean I will need 2 machines under mine control do discover the IP ? |
| 03:31.16 | peterrooney | joeoshawa: it would probably be simpler to only run it if she's logged in, since there's dozens of browsers to choose from |
| 03:32.01 | DanDare | somiaj, I have this remote machine I need to automate a script that will update the public IP |
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| 03:32.46 | DanDare | so how to use ifconfig to discover the external IP. Or how to ask the router about it? :p |
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| 03:34.15 | george | X just killed itself, how can I check the log to see what happened? |
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| 03:34.34 | rue_mohr | what repository can I find g++-4.3-arm-linux-gnu |
| 03:34.43 | rue_mohr | apt find g++-4.3-arm-linux-gnu |
| 03:34.54 | rue_mohr | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:35.05 | rue_mohr | why does apt always update when you ask it to do a search? |
| 03:35.17 | simonlnu | just about any of them |
| 03:35.55 | somiaj | DanDare: My suggestion is the $SSHC_CLIENT will contain the ip address of where you sshed from. You can set up a remote server to return this info and run it in a script. But this is essentially asking another machine what it sees your ip as. I think if you can get the info from your router it would be more efficent. |
| 03:36.18 | vitorlobo | how to edit the xorg to change the display resolution? for here only have 800x600 ... |
| 03:36.20 | peterrooney | DanDare: completely depends on the router. wget, curl, 10.x.x.x; 192.168.x.x, username/password , et cetera - no general formula, and some routers won't let you access their status page without login first... |
| 03:36.28 | vitorlobo | pass to pass please |
| 03:36.29 | somiaj | george: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the current log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old is the one that crashed (if you rebotted back into X) |
| 03:36.36 | DanDare | ok guys, thanks |
| 03:37.10 | DanDare | My cheap thompson router doesnt even have a decent manual so its not a option |
| 03:37.11 | DanDare | I may try something else |
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| 03:37.46 | peterrooney | somiaj: OOOH, nice trick. I learn something new every day if I'm paying attention! |
| 03:38.24 | george | somiaj, weird, nothing in log about why it crashed |
| 03:38.26 | somiaj | peterrooney: except I had a typo $SSH_CLIENT <-- DanDare |
| 03:38.37 | DanDare | ok, thanks |
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| 03:38.46 | vitorlobo | how to edit the xorg to change the display resolution? for here only have 800x600 ...pass to pass please |
| 03:38.51 | somiaj | george: you can check your syslog and look for kernel modular failrues, could have been something took it out. |
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| 03:38.57 | DanDare | trying to curl with username and password to see what happens |
| 03:39.15 | muhoo | is LVM even used in debian-land, or is that a centos thing? |
| 03:39.19 | somiaj | vitorlobo: it sounds more like its not loading the right driver |
| 03:39.29 | somiaj | vitorlobo: by default you should have a blank xorg config file. What video card? |
| 03:39.46 | muhoo | i don't remember ever seeing root on lvm on a debian system, in like the last 10 years. but it seems like every damn centos box i see has root on lvm. |
| 03:41.07 | george | somiaj, found it :) Nov 1 23:33:19 PC1 gdm[1291]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 |
| 03:42.05 | george | no idea what it means though :/ |
| 03:42.44 | DanDare | yay it worked asking router directly, thanks peterrooney for the clue |
| 03:43.28 | vitorlobo | how do I identify which my video card I have? |
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| 03:43.35 | vitorlobo | hardinfo? |
| 03:44.33 | peterrooney | DanDare: you're welcome |
| 03:45.11 | somiaj | vitorlobo: lspci / lshw |
| 03:45.12 | peterrooney | vitorlobo: lspci -vvv ; alternately, lshw (or lshw-gtk) |
| 03:47.03 | peterrooney | DanDare: IIRC, it's possible to tell curl to read user/pass from file, rather than on the command line (for any mook with ps or top to read) |
| 03:47.58 | DanDare | peterrooney, yeah that's really a good call |
| 03:49.42 | vitorlobo | somiaj Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 671MX |
| 03:50.14 | DanDare | well... I will have some work on editing curls output to get out just the IP. I could use "cut" but IP's arent same lenght in total every time |
| 03:52.13 | oldirty | hmm... i had a handy regex for that somewhere for "grep -o" |
| 03:52.26 | oldirty | maybe ask gewgle? |
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| 03:54.12 | somiaj | vitorlobo: not a card I'm familar with, make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-sis installed, and check your xlog to see what driver is loading. |
| 03:55.13 | muhoo | can i use rsync -a to backup a system and have it bootable when the rsync is done and grub-install is run? |
| 03:55.50 | muhoo | i could swear i've done it this way in the past but i've forgotten whether it worked as well as, say, tar |
| 03:56.04 | vitorlobo | somiaj how I generate the log? |
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| 03:56.14 | DanDare | yeah it's what im trying to do oldirty : |
| 03:57.33 | peterrooney | DanDare: I'm an avid proponent of awk. more powerful than grep, easier to learn than perl. |
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| 03:58.13 | somiaj | vitorlobo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the current log |
| 03:58.25 | DanDare | peterrooney, I see... awk is complex (what seems good), so maybe its a way to go |
| 03:58.46 | joeoshawa | what would i put in a script to have it stop on logout |
| 03:59.21 | oldirty | muhoo: I use rsync -avrP, but theoretically the answer is yes that should work |
| 03:59.57 | joeoshawa | right now this while sleep 15 ; do gnome-screenshot > capture$(date +%F%T) ; done works but it just keeps going till you reboot |
| 04:00.25 | somiaj | vitorlobo: please don't msg me, you can paste pastebin links here |
| 04:00.42 | vitorlobo | somiaj http://pastebin.com/sgu2ThKN |
| 04:01.21 | muhoo | oldirty: thanks. -r is redundant because it's included in -a. |
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| 04:04.19 | novato | error conexion hp d1500 please help |
| 04:04.58 | somiaj | vitorlobo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741 |
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| 04:06.10 | somiaj | vitorlobo: I'm not finding much good info on that card. If you look though your log at the list of cards the sis driver supports, yours is not one of them. |
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| 04:12.02 | oldirty | muhoo: I see. me and rsync have never been the best of pals. I'll have to review the docs, it seems |
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| 04:13.12 | somiaj | muhoo: you have to be careful with memeory dirs like /proc /dev (cause of udev), so make sure you have excluded them. (not sure if you need a static file in the offical /dev before udev takes it over. |
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| 04:32.23 | muhoo | somiaj: thanks, i found a guide which explained this. there are a few dev files needed but for the most part they need to be excluded |
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| 04:32.42 | muhoo | also, yes, proc sys need to be excluded |
| 04:33.31 | aypea[2] | wonders how to indicate to apt that it needs to shut down package X in order to shut down package Y for an upgrade. |
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| 04:35.00 | muhoo | hmm, i'm worried |
| 04:35.04 | muhoo | 1989000 files... |
| 04:35.09 | muhoo | that's a really even number |
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| 04:38.49 | oldirty | it's guesstimating |
| 04:38.54 | oldirty | nothing to worry about |
| 04:39.32 | joeoshawa | if i add a script to startup applications is should stop running on logout correct? |
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| 04:40.28 | oldirty | joeoshawa: what DE? |
| 04:40.45 | oldirty | nah, never mind. short answer yes. are you seeing different behavior? |
| 04:40.58 | joeoshawa | no haven't started it yet |
| 04:41.35 | joeoshawa | its a script to have scrot take a screenshot of the current selected window every 15 seconds and save it |
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| 04:41.51 | oldirty | haha. keepin an eye on the kids/wife? |
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| 04:42.15 | joeoshawa | that way if my 5 year old daughter accidentally finds a chat site i know |
| 04:42.18 | joeoshawa | yeah |
| 04:42.22 | thepro4ever | how do i check my download speed |
| 04:42.44 | oldirty | yeah, my 12 year old has been grounded almost all summer. I'll probably be doing something similar to her laptop when she gets it back. |
| 04:42.44 | joeoshawa | no wife tho |
| 04:42.56 | joeoshawa | want the script? |
| 04:43.02 | oldirty | let me know how it works first :P |
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| 04:44.02 | joeoshawa | haven't put it in startup yet but ran it in a terminal and it works great |
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| 04:44.25 | oldirty | also, erawfish_ will probably get angry if I don't mention that non-technical stuff belongs in #debian-offtopic :| |
| 04:44.35 | oldirty | but this one was my fault, so nyah. |
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| 04:46.38 | vitorlobo | somiaj problem solved :) thanks... the problem solved in site : http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/dica/Instalando-driver-SiS-671-771-em-notebook-com-Debian-Squeeze |
| 04:46.45 | vitorlobo | :) |
| 04:50.48 | somiaj | vitorlobo: good work |
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| 04:53.20 | amero | can i create new shell users without having them added into /etc/passwd? |
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| 04:56.33 | MaXim_ | jeez |
| 04:56.45 | MaXim_ | you guys ought to just whitelist them onto sites or something |
| 04:57.27 | karlpinc | Is there somewhere in the debian source package where it says where the upstream source came from? |
| 04:58.05 | Dulak | amero: you can but you just move the entries from passwd into whatever other thing you are using to hold the info. Like ldap, or nis, or even an sql database |
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| 04:59.18 | somiaj | karlpinc: what ever gets packed into /usr/share/doc/pkg-name usually has info like that. The upstream changelog, readme files are usually included as well. |
| 05:00.08 | karlpinc | somiaj: I'm looking at logrotate (src from experimental) and can't find a README in the upstream source or any sort of indication as to where it came from. :-( |
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| 05:01.26 | Dulak | karlpinc: pretty sure logrotate comes from fedora ultimately |
| 05:01.41 | somiaj | karlpinc: you read though the NEWS.Debian.gz, README.Debian, etc? |
| 05:01.43 | karlpinc | Dulak: It started at RH, but where's it hosted and who maintains it? |
| 05:02.20 | Dulak | http://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/o/logrotate/ |
| 05:02.34 | Dulak | per info at: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/logrotate.html |
| 05:02.37 | karlpinc | somiaj: Yeah, although I'm looking at the source package unpacked. |
| 05:02.54 | karlpinc | Dulak: Thanks. Is packages.qa.debian.org the place to look? |
| 05:03.25 | somiaj | karlpinc: well my version of /usr/share/doc/logrotate/copyright seems to have that info |
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| 05:03.33 | Dulak | Depends, I just googled for it and they had issues qa picked up which included requesting a newer version |
| 05:03.37 | erawfish_ | amero: not really. depends for what you want the "users" tho |
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| 05:06.18 | karlpinc | Humm. It seems the experimental man page has a useful link. (For some reason it's a hassle to find out where to send stuff upstream.) Thanks. I can take it from here. |
| 05:06.19 | amero | erawfish_: they are all ssh tunnel users without shell and i don't want them to be added into paswd file |
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| 05:07.09 | karlpinc | amero: Then you need some other sort of authentication database, and tell ssh's pam config about whatever you use. But why would you not want them in /etc/passwd? |
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| 05:08.05 | amero | i dont want their user acc to be mixed with normal user accounts |
| 05:08.23 | amero | it's hard to manage |
| 05:08.31 | Dulak | You can chroot them into a seperate environment to contain them, and set a shell that won't allow a normal login |
| 05:08.32 | karlpinc | amero: If you're giving them shell they are normal user accounts, but ok. |
| 05:09.01 | Dulak | That would segment tunnel only users to the chroot's passwd file |
| 05:09.15 | joeoshawa | how can i get rid of the computer icon on the desktop |
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| 05:09.19 | karlpinc | Dulak: Chroot is not particuarly secure. |
| 05:10.02 | Dulak | without a shell it does what he asked, seperate the tunnel users from system users... |
| 05:10.27 | somiaj | joeoshawa: if your using gnome the desktop is most likely nautilus you'll have to configure |
| 05:10.39 | somiaj | joeoshawa: so open up the file manager, goto settings |
| 05:10.43 | karlpinc | amero: You might also consider openvpn. Anyhow, just choose a authentication db method. LDAP is traditional, but openldap has historically been hard to manage. Things may have changed or there may be an administrative front-end these days. |
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| 05:11.42 | somiaj | you could also assign them different uids, so say 20000+ ids, so they are easy to disgunish in /etc/passwd |
| 05:11.54 | karlpinc | amero: There may also be other ldap servers. |
| 05:11.58 | karlpinc | somiaj: That sounds easy. |
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| 05:13.12 | karlpinc | amero: Or just put them all in a particular group. |
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| 05:14.46 | karlpinc | amero: You can do stuff with pam and groups that may serve your purpose. See the docs on the pam modules. |
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| 05:16.35 | amero | i'll check that out |
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| 05:19.07 | joeoshawa | found it its in gconf editor |
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| 05:19.08 | joeoshawa | under apps nautilous |
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| 05:20.08 | joeoshawa | well thanks time to go get a sub |
| 05:20.11 | joeoshawa | later |
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| 05:21.32 | MrFSL | In gnome, I know the "Brightness" OSD is generated by gnome-power-manager but how do you disable it? |
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| 05:40.06 | spersaud | two things I hate to deal with dd-wrt client bridge, sony handycam, stuck with both today |
| 05:40.18 | spersaud | hopefully I can get both to work |
| 05:42.41 | Dulak | you might look at WDS instead of a client bridge |
| 05:44.05 | Dulak | I had to use the client bridge because the upstream AP didn't support WDS but my buddy has 3 APs using WDS and it's close to zero configuration. |
| 05:44.15 | spersaud | Dulak: client bridge works now :) ... fairly simple, |
| 05:44.56 | Dulak | Yeah, I have it setup so I can watch netfilx with my blueray player |
| 05:44.59 | spersaud | but it wasnt working earlier ... I think I didnt reset the router correctly ... |
| 05:45.08 | spersaud | wasnt saving any settings |
| 05:46.03 | Dulak | Yeah dd-wrt is like that, I once had to save a port forward like 8 times before it actually saved it and worked across reboots. A bit frustrating. |
| 05:46.41 | Dulak | It's too bad openwrt doesn't have near the functionality packed in, their gui works much better. |
| 05:47.11 | spersaud | Dulak: hmmm |
| 05:47.46 | spersaud | funny how nautilus uses up all of your memory, I have 16gb on this machine for work related reasons, its using up 14 gig and doing nothing with it |
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| 05:48.30 | Dulak | spersaud: on squeeze? you sure it's nautilus and not buffers? |
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| 05:52.33 | spersaud | Dulak: not sure, but im on squeeze amd64 |
| 05:52.59 | spersaud | but Im pretty sure its nautilus, cp wouldnt use up that much memory |
| 05:53.57 | Dulak | spersaud: run free and check how much ram is in buffers, and compare it to ps aux | grep nautilus VSZ and RSS columns |
| 05:54.03 | superlinux | hi. when I run VLC on this radio http://listen.sky.fm/webplayer/smoothjazz247.pls, it plays it verry fast with high tempo. how can I let it go on normal tempo? |
| 05:54.05 | superlinux | I am using gnome mplayer to play it normally |
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| 06:17.11 | thomaschaaf | Hey I am having problems with mysql on debian after an upgrade today. I can't seem to get it to start :( |
| 06:17.43 | thomaschaaf | I have tried starting mysql with /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 06:17.49 | thomaschaaf | but that outputs nothing at all |
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| 06:18.39 | thomaschaaf | and /etc/mysql/debian-start outputs: "line 27: upgrade_system_tables_if_necessary: command not found /etc/mysql/debian-start: line 28: check_root_accounts: command not found /etc/mysql/debian-start: line 29: check_for_crashed_tables: command not found ^C" |
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| 06:24.42 | jhujhiti | i have a listening socket stuck open. netstat -ntlp shows '-' for the process name and lsof can't find it. how do i fix this? |
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| 06:30.01 | jhujhiti | kernel thread! nevermind |
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| 06:31.48 | Blue1 | jhujhiti: pardon my dumbness, did you try a sudo lsof? |
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| 06:32.29 | Blue1 | kewl glad you found it. |
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| 06:43.14 | jhujhiti | Blue1: yes |
| 06:43.38 | jhujhiti | fun fact: ocfs2 and ejabberd's mod_proxy65 listen on the same port. or try to |
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| 06:50.39 | nathanvy | hi guys, trying to install debian off the netinst disc but after pressing enter on "install" the screen is just flickering |
| 06:51.33 | nathanvy | is there a fix for this? |
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| 06:55.46 | Vasistha | nathanvy: hum. how old is the hardware? |
| 06:56.14 | Vasistha | nathanvy: also, are you sure it's a good burn? Have you tried it on another computer? |
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| 07:00.26 | nathanvy | Vasistha: it's pretty old hardware. intel 433MHz with 64 megs of RAM lol |
| 07:00.50 | nathanvy | Is there an easy way to check if it's a good burn without actually installing the OS? |
| 07:01.21 | Vasistha | nathanvy: yeah, just go up to that step. You have to go a lot further than that before it actually writes anything to the hard drive, and YOU WILL KNOW when it's asking you if you want to format/partition etc :) |
| 07:01.36 | nathanvy | all right I'll give that a try |
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| 07:01.41 | nathanvy | I had debian on this machine before |
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| 07:01.52 | nathanvy | so it really ought to install, I think |
| 07:01.52 | Vasistha | nathanvy: although I am not sure if that machine is up to spec for squeeze (I assume you're using squeeze?) |
| 07:02.00 | nathanvy | 6.0.3 |
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| 07:02.05 | Vasistha | nathanvy: also I am actually more concerned about the video driver |
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| 07:02.16 | nathanvy | I plan to leave it headless and not use X |
| 07:02.36 | Vasistha | nathanvy: although if it got as far as showing the first screen, that would seem to be an indication it can do a non-graphical install... one should hope |
| 07:03.03 | nathanvy | Vasistha: yep that's my hope. As I said before I had Debian on this machine previously and switched to Gentoo for a bit. |
| 07:03.08 | nathanvy | didn't like it and want to switch back |
| 07:03.45 | Vasistha | nathanvy: well, it's worth noting that debian has upped system requirements, even if only a little bit for the bare minimum |
| 07:03.56 | nathanvy | okay I'll keep that in mind |
| 07:04.19 | nathanvy | thanks |
| 07:04.32 | Vasistha | nathanvy: also, there are some drivers and things that were in previous versions, which are no longer there |
| 07:04.40 | Vasistha | nathanvy: that's true for debian as well as the linux kernel |
| 07:05.07 | wave | umm, is there any debian-live image available, that would fit on 700mb CD? |
| 07:05.09 | Vasistha | nathanvy: ...and super-old hardware is more likely to be effected. |
| 07:05.30 | nathanvy | Vasistha: perhaps. I don't think it's particularly exotic, though. It's an old Dell with a run-of-the-mill mobo |
| 07:05.39 | Vasistha | wave: hum, there used to be a debian livecd project, not sure if it's around anymore. what's the purpose? |
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| 07:06.20 | wave | I found it it, but images were 750-808mb |
| 07:06.21 | Vasistha | !livecd |
| 07:06.21 | dpkg | A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 07:07.03 | wave | oh, didn't check that one, just live.debian.net |
| 07:07.24 | Vasistha | wave: right. hmm. well, that's why I'm asking what the purpose is... what do you want to do with it? There are lots of live cds for difference needs |
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| 07:08.59 | Vasistha | nathanvy: true, but you never know. I have an old dell (well, not that old) that has this weird proprietary memory that's super-expensive and nobody carries it. and I have another computer that's also not that old, and it has a video card in it for which support has been deteriorating |
| 07:09.27 | wave | I would like to see how well debian would run on one computer |
| 07:09.33 | Vasistha | both are >1GHz clock frequency |
| 07:10.01 | Vasistha | wave: ahh. you mean to see if all of the drivers needed are there by default? |
| 07:10.06 | wave | yupp |
| 07:10.35 | nathanvy | Vasistha: thanks for your help |
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| 07:10.40 | wave | maybe I just need to get bigger CD |
| 07:12.00 | Vasistha | wave: hmm. I don't know if the debian community has a good livecd for that purpose. There is a substantial amount of hardware on the marketplace that may not work with a vanilla default debian install... may need some special tweaks, drivers, etc. |
| 07:12.52 | Vasistha | Debian often works out-of-the-box but not as well as some other distros that put a lot more focus on that. Debian's been improving by leaps and bounds in the last 5+ years in that regard, though. But still :) |
| 07:13.42 | Vasistha | wave: what kind of computer is it that you want to test on? Is it a big name-brand laptop or desktop, or a custom built thing? |
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| 07:14.19 | wave | it's some desktop one, I don't have any technical details on it, it's located at home |
| 07:14.26 | ronny | hi |
| 07:15.06 | Vasistha | wave: well if it is a name brand, I would recommend googling for debian and the model number, and find reports from other debian users on how easy it is to set up that particular model |
| 07:15.33 | ronny | anyone aware of a repo that gives gnome3/gnome shell? |
| 07:15.36 | wave | I try to do so, should first call for a model number |
| 07:16.23 | Vasistha | ronny: are you sure it's not in the repo you're using, you just don't know the name? Maybe we should see your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 07:17.14 | Vasistha | ronny: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=gnome-terminal |
| 07:18.21 | ronny | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/501570/ |
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| 07:19.01 | ronny | hmm, i think i got it a bitm essy |
| 07:19.04 | ronny | *messy |
| 07:20.05 | Vasistha | ronny: uh .. I am wondering why you're running wheezy-- are you running wheezy or squeeze? your sources.list is mixed. |
| 07:20.55 | ronny | i intended to run weezy, i think some time ago i adde some entries to get 1 or 2 packages working |
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| 07:29.09 | Vasistha | ronny: well in any case, I should think you could just install gnome-terminal with the repos you've got |
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| 07:30.41 | ronny | Vasistha: i want to have gnome-shell - the gnome3 window manager, not the terminal |
| 07:31.32 | Vasistha | ronny: ohh, sorry about that. well you can see I'm not very familiar. |
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| 07:32.14 | ronny | all i have is http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell - which tells to just install it, but that fails |
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| 07:34.03 | Vasistha | ronny: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-shell/news/20100930T163916Z.html |
| 07:34.38 | Vasistha | ronny: looks like it's not in testing. you might be able to install the unstable version, but I don't generally advise anyone to do anything with sid. I'm a debian stable user myself. |
| 07:35.11 | Vasistha | !why is gnome-shell not in testing |
| 07:35.11 | dpkg | gnome-shell is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnome-shell |
| 07:36.19 | ronny | oh man |
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| 07:36.46 | bookses | oves debian |
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| 07:37.01 | bookses | loves debian |
| 07:37.44 | ronny | sometimes the lack of recent software is anoying |
| 07:38.05 | ronny | i'd still take it over the ubuntu kindergarten anytime |
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| 07:42.18 | rmrfchik | nice http://pastebin.com/7m9TV2Sq |
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| 07:44.52 | steel_ | hi, i have debian kde-64 installed on my system. i also want to install gnome. how to go about it?? |
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| 07:46.36 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 07:46.36 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude or http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 07:51.37 | Vasistha | steel_: install in the usual way, through aptitude. If set up properly, I believe the DM should prompt which DE to start. If course gdm best supports gnome and kdm kde. But either can run the other |
| 07:51.58 | Vasistha | steel_: simply installing the package called gnome should do it |
| 07:52.02 | Vasistha | okay bedtime |
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| 08:00.00 | MarkS- | Hello, is it recorded (for example in logs) what user did order the last reboot (that was happening less than 24 hour on a system for which I want to know it)? |
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| 08:01.38 | simonlnu | 'last' for example |
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| 08:07.06 | jelly-home | !tell steel_ about install gnome |
| 08:08.26 | freddy__ | hi - I'm upgrading to squeeze and have followed the standard debian upgrade guide. Now when doing the apt-get dist-upgrade -s I get: E: Conf Broken insserv. What can I do about that ? |
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| 08:10.22 | steel_ | jelly-home, i tried apt-get install gnome but it said no installation candidate for gnome |
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| 08:16.48 | pfffffffft | had the bright idea of duplicating my system partition |
| 08:16.55 | pfffffffft | remind me never to do that again |
| 08:18.45 | bolt | duplicating? |
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| 08:19.43 | pfffffffft | bolt: with gparted |
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| 08:20.49 | pfffffffft | thing is, when you duplicate it, it keeps the same uuid |
| 08:21.04 | bolt | splendid |
| 08:21.22 | bolt | which one gets mounted? |
| 08:21.25 | pfffffffft | both |
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| 08:21.26 | pfffffffft | as root |
| 08:21.29 | DelTree | oh... uuid... |
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| 08:21.41 | DelTree | isn't tune2fs your friend there ? |
| 08:21.44 | bolt | so.. one on top of the other? |
| 08:21.53 | pfffffffft | DelTree: yes but I briefly had both partitions as root |
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| 08:22.10 | bolt | and only one gets unmounted at shutdown, i guess? |
| 08:22.20 | pfffffffft | tune2fs -U random did the trick |
| 08:22.23 | pfffffffft | bolt: indeedio |
| 08:22.32 | bolt | awesome |
| 08:22.40 | pfffffffft | you live and learn |
| 08:23.03 | DelTree | so next time, just duplicate and don't forget to sing the tune... |
| 08:23.09 | DelTree | -> [] |
| 08:23.42 | bolt | you became an array? |
| 08:23.54 | DelTree | :)) |
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| 08:24.15 | DelTree | empty array, at that... not too good... ^_^ |
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| 08:29.36 | pfffffffft | btw, I did grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and the entry for the duplicated partition enters my boot menu, and I did change /etc/fstab, but when I boot into it, it still mounts my initial partition. |
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| 08:29.41 | pfffffffft | anyone have any idea why? |
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| 08:45.24 | jelly-home | ,versions gnome |
| 08:45.26 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:2.30+11; sid: 1:3.0+3 |
| 08:45.35 | jelly-home | steel_: which debian release are you using? |
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| 08:46.50 | steel_ | jelly-home, debian 6 |
| 08:46.56 | diplocat | just came back to debian (squeeze) from a few years on ubuntu... is wheezy in a usable state? worth upgrading to? |
| 08:47.37 | jelly-home | steel_: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gnome" and "apt-cache policy", please |
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| 08:48.13 | jelly-home | diplocat: usable to help testing Debian and reporting bugs |
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| 08:48.38 | Dulak | diplocat: wheezy isn't a big jump from squeeze just yet, really. Also it gets broke a lot. If you want to get bleeding edge sid is actually usable more often than not. |
| 08:48.43 | jelly-home | diplocat: or if you are an experience user and can fix or work around all the breakage by yourself |
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| 08:49.25 | diplocat | cheers, I might give it a go... couldn't be less stable than Unity |
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| 08:49.44 | Dulak | It's gnome 3 though, so there is that. |
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| 08:50.17 | diplocat | hmm... I'm still torn about all these changes happening |
| 08:50.38 | Dulak | I'm sticking with squeeze still. |
| 08:50.59 | Dulak | I tried gnome 3 and unity both on my netbook and it's god awful. |
| 08:51.20 | diplocat | yeah, I tried Fedora briefly with Gnome3 and I'm not a huge fan |
| 08:51.25 | diplocat | although it's better than Unity |
| 08:51.49 | Dulak | Yeah gnome 3 just needs to get optimized more, it has some performance issues. |
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| 08:52.21 | Dulak | And of course all the stuff that was in gnome 2 that isn't in gnome 3 yet. |
| 08:52.21 | cj101 | good morning everyone |
| 08:52.31 | diplocat | I couldn't believe how fast and snappy squeeze is after using Unity for a while |
| 08:52.48 | diplocat | even faster than Ubuntu's gnome2 |
| 08:52.57 | cj101 | i tried to install debian on my usb flash pen drive last night, it took a long time but i got the base installed, it said it installed grub and finished the installation but when i tried to boot from it, it told me the drive was not bootable. any ideas as to why that would be? |
| 08:53.39 | ksk | how did u put it on the stick? theres a way debian suggests (using cat iirc) |
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| 08:54.46 | cj101 | ksk, was that question directed at me? |
| 08:55.04 | ksk | ye |
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| 08:55.49 | cj101 | i booted from the install cd with the usb flash pen drive connected and then chose the usb flash drive to install to |
| 08:56.15 | ksk | arr, sorry. misread your inital question |
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| 08:58.05 | cj101 | ah, ive just been told that the install might not have written to the master boot record, i didnt think of that lol. how can i do that no that the system is installed on the drive? |
| 08:58.36 | ksk | boot another live-cd and use grub-install or whatever the tool was |
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| 08:59.00 | cj101 | thanks for the advise |
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| 09:06.15 | klawd | hi! |
| 09:06.26 | klawd | when i start a process, how do i get the PID of it? |
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| 09:07.15 | Dulak | klawd: pidof processname |
| 09:07.20 | babilen | klawd: pidof, pgrep, (h)top, ... |
| 09:08.32 | klawd | ok, so.. related: i want to write a script that would be able to start a couple of self written services (java stuff) and have the ability to start/stop them |
| 09:08.47 | diplocat | omg babilen, brilliant! pgrep! for years I've been doing: ps ax | grep 'name' |
| 09:08.49 | klawd | and it would say something along the lines of "already running" when it's.. well.. already running |
| 09:09.15 | ksk | so you better ask #scripting-language ;) |
| 09:09.36 | ksk | eg theres a special variable in bash to get the pid of an forked process |
| 09:09.54 | klawd | ok, thanks |
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| 09:10.44 | ksk | klawd: take a look at this: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement |
| 09:11.03 | klawd | ok, thank you ksk |
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| 09:17.41 | qrq | Encrypted -_- |
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| 09:18.49 | y0m6uy | hi ! I want to make a debootstrap of Squeeze i386 on a amd64 : |
| 09:18.53 | y0m6uy | sudo debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze debian32 http://mirror.ovh.net/debian/ |
| 09:19.13 | y0m6uy | but got this : W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/momo/chroot/debian32 mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 09:19.39 | y0m6uy | do you know why sudo can't mount in the chroot ? |
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| 09:25.39 | roshanavand | I wanna get a list of alternative packages I can have in debian |
| 09:25.52 | roshanavand | is there any refrence? |
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| 09:27.20 | roshanavand_ | is there any reference for alternative packages in debian? |
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| 09:27.47 | jelly | roshanavand_: alternative for what? |
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| 09:28.21 | roshanavand_ | jelly, e.g : acl |
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| 09:29.06 | roshanavand_ | I have a list of packages in debian, and I should look for their alternatives, if existed |
| 09:29.07 | jelly | roshanavand_: I don't think there's an alternative for POSIX acls |
| 09:29.33 | klawd | is there a builtin way to check if a process with a certain ID is running? |
| 09:29.48 | klawd | or should i ps and awk and all that? |
| 09:30.06 | jelly | klawd: certain id? |
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| 09:30.47 | klawd | yes, when i start a process and have its id and i want to later check if it's still running |
| 09:31.11 | ksk | kill -0 |
| 09:31.19 | ksk | its kinda offtopic btw :) |
| 09:31.23 | Night_Elf | klawd: the ID part is ambiguous. The PID? The name of the executable ? |
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| 09:31.35 | jelly | klawd: what do you mean by ID? pgrep and pkill from procps have perhaps the sanest syntax, if you're looking for processes with certain names. pidof is more commonly installed. |
| 09:31.50 | jelly | ksk: you're kinda offtopic |
| 09:32.00 | ksk | :/ |
| 09:32.05 | klawd | yes, the PID |
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| 09:32.18 | roshanavand_ | jelly, is there any reference for list of packages in debian can do same job? |
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| 09:32.56 | roshanavand_ | jelly, for example: firefox and chromium are both browsers doing same thing |
| 09:33.12 | roshanavand_ | jelly, i'm looking for such a thing in base packages |
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| 09:33.30 | Night_Elf | roshanavand_: I would think that you could pick packageA and query it for what it replaces, enhances, conflicts, etc. |
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| 09:34.33 | jelly | roshanavand_: some of those packages have a Provides: control field that says they provide a certain virtual package. iceweasel and chromium should both provide www-browser |
| 09:34.42 | themill | ,rprovides www-browser |
| 09:34.44 | judd | Package www-browser in squeeze/i386 is provided by: chimera2, chromium-browser, conkeror, edbrowse, elinks, elinks-lite, elvis, elvis-console, epiphany-browser, galeon, iceape-browser, iceweasel, kazehakase, konqueror, links, links2, lynx-cur, midori, netrik, rekonq, uzbl, w3m, xemacs21-mule, xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-nomule. |
| 09:35.58 | roshanavand_ | Night_Elf, jelly, judd : thanks |
| 09:36.04 | Gis2 | Any idea why i get this error? "warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory" when i try to send mails via smtp? Here's my main.cf http://nopaste.info/b96d421bbd_nl.html |
| 09:37.21 | jelly | Gis2: can you provide the output of "postconf -n" and some relevant lines from /var/log/mail.log, with at least 20-50 lines of context |
| 09:37.39 | Gis2 | just a sec. |
| 09:38.22 | klawd | where would be the best place to put pid-files? |
| 09:38.27 | klawd | /var/run/mystuff? |
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| 09:39.26 | jelly | klawd: that sounds reasonable. Make sure the directory is writable by your daemon so it's able to update its pid files |
| 09:39.33 | klawd | ok, thanks |
| 09:39.38 | roshanavand_ | Night_Elf, jelly, judd : how to search for acl? what is it's certain virtual package? |
| 09:39.50 | Gis2 | http://nopaste.info/6cd89d25ba_nl.html <- post conf - mail.log -> http://nopaste.info/014ed08948_nl.html |
| 09:40.13 | jelly | klawd: note that /var/run may be wiped at reboot. Your init script should recreate and reset permissions on it if it doesn't exist |
| 09:40.32 | Night_Elf | roshanavand_: what sort of acl? There are acl-s for exim for example, but also acl-s for Selinux. |
| 09:40.54 | themill | roshanavand_: aptitude search ~P^package$; there's no "acl" virtual package, however. |
| 09:40.57 | jelly | roshanavand_: if you are talking about POSIX acl, there's only "acl", I'm pretty sure there is no alternative. |
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| 09:41.19 | roshanavand_ | Night_Elf, PSIX |
| 09:41.41 | roshanavand_ | themill, thanks :) |
| 09:42.58 | roshanavand_ | jelly, thanks, there is huge list of those packages I should check them one by one |
| 09:43.00 | themill | roshanavand_: btw, judd is a bot. You can query him yourself in a private message to find out what packages provide things if you want. |
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| 09:43.45 | roshanavand_ | themill, really? :P such a stupid I am? :)) thanks btw |
| 09:43.54 | Gis2 | jelly: i dont know where that "berkleydb2" requirement is defiend... it should send mails via sql auth through dovecot :/ |
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| 09:45.35 | jelly | Gis2: your SASL config is not correct, then |
| 09:45.56 | Gis2 | in postfix or dovcot? |
| 09:46.12 | jelly | Postfix, for a start |
| 09:46.45 | roshanavand_ | ju |
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| 09:50.44 | roshanavand_ | themill, aptitude search ~P^package$; , this results nothing |
| 09:50.46 | roshanavand_ | :( |
| 09:51.02 | themill | that means that nothing has a Provides for "package". |
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| 09:51.29 | roshanavand_ | themill, I searched for this aptitude search ~P^acl$; |
| 09:51.34 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
| 09:51.41 | roshanavand_ | themill, is the syntax right? |
| 09:51.55 | themill | roshanavand_: yep, so that means that nothing provides "acl" as a virtual package. Yes, the syntax is right. |
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| 09:52.21 | themill | roshanavand_: I don't think virtual packages are really what you're wanting though. |
| 09:52.54 | Retenodus_ | I've followed what /msg dpkg own repo said to make my own repo. Now, I try to use debootstrap using this repo "debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /vz localhost/debian508" |
| 09:53.07 | roshanavand_ | themill, having not a virtual package means there is no alternative? |
| 09:53.22 | ksk | is there any alternative to FAI? |
| 09:54.00 | Retenodus_ | However, the "own repo" thing doesn't follow the "classic" architecture of a repository. So I don't have "dists/lenny/Release" in my repository |
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| 09:54.22 | Retenodus_ | is there a solution to launch a debootstrap with this repository ? |
| 09:54.36 | themill | roshanavand_: /msg dpkg virtual package; A virtual package is a drop-in-replacement for another package -- I can't imagine that there's a drop-in replacement for the "acl" package. |
| 09:54.44 | themill | Retenodus_: you could use reprepro instead |
| 09:55.11 | roshanavand_ | themill, you really helped :) thanks |
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| 09:55.42 | Retenodus_ | themill : erf, it seemed that reprepo was not convenient to make a local partial repository from DVD |
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| 09:56.12 | Retenodus_ | is there no solution with what /msg dpkg own repo advice ? |
| 09:56.34 | themill | can't say I've ever tried debootstrap with a custom repo like that. |
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| 10:06.39 | y0m6uy | do anyone manage to get debootstrap working on squeeze ? I get : W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/momo/chroot/debian64 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 10:08.58 | jelly | y0m6uy: do you have a 64bit kernel booted? |
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| 10:11.19 | y0m6uy | yes |
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| 10:11.47 | y0m6uy | and I'm just doing $ debootstrap --arch amd64 squeeze /home/momo/chroot/debian64 http://mirror.ovh.net/debian/ |
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| 10:12.47 | Bushmills | as user? lack of permissions to use mount -t proc |
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| 10:14.54 | y0m6uy | same thing in root |
| 10:15.03 | y0m6uy | as root |
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| 10:16.30 | harpal | which is latest kernel package? I tried searching using aptitude it shows me linux 2.6.26 then linux 3.0.0. So does that mean there no 2.6 kernel in latest version squeeze? |
| 10:16.39 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
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| 10:16.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-2-686-pae (3.0.0-5); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 10:21.55 | babilen | y0m6uy: I am not entirely sure if that is related, but could you try cdebootstrap? Which version of Debian is this? |
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| 10:29.34 | omid8bimo | hello. my debian freezes when i try to halt/reboot. it goes all the to stopping all services and unmounting partitions, then stop at system will now halt and nothing happens and even keyboard it not responding. |
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| 10:35.52 | Ex-Opesa | failed. |
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| 10:35.58 | yomguy | OK, I'll file a bugreport for debootstrap.. |
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| 10:36.20 | Gis2 | jelly: got the problem but i really dont know how to solve it.. smtpd_sasl_auth_type = dovecot should be set in main.cf but postfis doesnt get it in postconf -n :/ Any idea? :D |
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| 10:36.26 | babilen | yomguy: Is cdebootstrap working? Which version of Debian/debootstrap is this? |
| 10:36.27 | omid8bimo | hello. my debian freezes when i try to halt/reboot. it goes all the to stopping all services and unmounting partitions, then stop at system will now halt and nothing happens and even keyboard it not responding. |
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| 10:36.47 | yomguy | babilen, squeeze versions |
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| 10:37.37 | yomguy | babilen, ok I'm testing cdebootstrap now |
| 10:37.37 | Bushmills | omid8bimo: 5 and 3 minutes between repeats are far too long, i'd try every 10 seconds, to make sure everybody will see you qestions. and i'd continue repeating until i got an answer, just to show them |
| 10:37.40 | jelly | Gis2: have you restarted postfix? |
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| 10:38.05 | Retenodus_ | Hum, is there a documentation to create Release files ? I've only seen obsolete documentations |
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| 10:38.13 | Gis2 | serveral times :s |
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| 10:38.38 | omid8bimo | Bushmills: i think something is wrong with freenode network/servers. everybody are keep disconnecting i think |
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| 10:39.15 | omid8bimo | Bushmills: but thats a nerving idea! :D |
| 10:39.21 | Gis2 | wait a sek |
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| 10:39.33 | Gis2 | the command is smtpd_sasl_type |
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| 10:40.30 | yomguy | babilen, YES cdebootstrap is working |
| 10:40.38 | alexbodn | hello friends, |
| 10:40.39 | alexbodn | i'm installing testing on a new server using raid1 and lvm. how and where should grub be installed (using the installation menus)? |
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| 10:42.31 | babilen | yomguy: Great |
| 10:42.43 | yomguy | babilen, can you explain that ? |
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| 10:44.02 | babilen | yomguy: Not now (am kinda busy with something else) -- Just wanted to give this suggestion so you can keep on working. You might want to check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=debootstrap and/or file an appropriate bug. I would also suggest to backport debootstrap from sid (/msg dpkg ssb) and test that version. |
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| 10:45.41 | themill | %wb |
| 10:45.41 | dselect | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 10:45.41 | yomguy | babilen, ok, no pb. I've already check the pkgreport for it, but no bugs on that.. OK, I'll test to backport it from Sid.. |
| 10:45.47 | yomguy | babilen, thanks ! |
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| 10:47.01 | babilen | yomguy: Good luck -- It would be much appreciated if you could let me know if backporting works out |
| 10:47.15 | yomguy | babilen, ok |
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| 10:54.34 | yomguy | babilen, same bug with debootstrap backported from sid in squeeze |
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| 11:04.56 | babilen | yomguy: Pity, but thanks :) |
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| 11:06.53 | michelem1 | hey folks. |
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| 11:11.05 | korst3n | Hey, i have a problem with inittab not executing commands as i wish. at the end of the file i've added something:23:respawn:/bin/bash /root/something.sh . i have two identical initab files in two debian boxes but on one it doesn't work |
| 11:11.14 | korst3n | it doesn't even run the shell file, any ideas? |
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| 11:26.51 | steel_ | hi,how do i install gnome on my system running debian kde 64 bit |
| 11:26.52 | steel_ | ? |
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| 11:28.21 | antii | steel_: apt-get install gnome |
| 11:28.36 | steel_ | antii,it doesn't work |
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| 11:29.03 | antii | how come? |
| 11:29.38 | lord_rob | gnome-desktop-environment i think |
| 11:29.50 | steel_ | antii,it gives package cannot be located |
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| 11:30.02 | antii | in squeeze I can run apt-get install gnome |
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| 11:31.42 | steel_ | antii,http://imgur.com/rpfxa this is what i get |
| 11:31.53 | cemiotic | try aptitude update |
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| 11:32.12 | antii | ah maybe that before |
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| 11:32.58 | lord_rob | if you're running stable it's gnome-desktop-environment if you're running unstable it's gnome |
| 11:33.19 | lord_rob | but gnome-desktop-environment should work in both cases |
| 11:33.43 | henn1nk | i am not able to gem install rmagick.. what package do i need? (debian 6.0.3) |
| 11:33.55 | steel_ | lord_rob,no,it's not working |
| 11:33.56 | babilen | !tell steel_ -about install gnome |
| 11:34.19 | babilen | steel_: There are a couple of different metapackages available to install Gnome. See dpkg's private message for an overview. |
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| 11:34.44 | cemiotic | check sources.list |
| 11:35.21 | babilen | !tell steel_ about sources.list |
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| 11:36.33 | babilen | steel_: You might want to pick a different mirror (e.g. ftp.CC.debian.org where CC is replaced with a suitable country code (e.g. uk,hk,tw,de,ie,us,...)) or a specific one from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 11:37.38 | steel_ | babilen, oh ok,i'll try that :) |
| 11:37.52 | babilen | steel_: Furthermore you might want to be able to install non-free software. Ask our helpful bot about <non-free> <non-free sources> <contrib> and <squeeze-updates> with "/msg dpkg non-free" -- Essentially: Just make sure your deb/deb-src lines end in "main contrib non-free" |
| 11:38.20 | babilen | steel_: If you still need help, just paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:38.39 | steel_ | babilen, ok |
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| 12:00.19 | steel_ | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/142017/ |
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| 12:06.24 | babilen | steel_: http://paste.debian.net/142019/ -- Run "apt-get update" after changes to your sources.list |
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| 12:33.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:33.49 | dpkg | Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
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| 12:38.49 | b0mbadil | Stupid question but what is the difference between support channel and help channel? |
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| 12:42.10 | abrotman | b0mbadil: that was meant to be a joke |
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| 12:47.52 | b0mbadil | abrotman: No I think it reflects the reality very well ;) |
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| 12:48.11 | abrotman | uhhuh |
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| 12:54.19 | X0n | hi, I got a problem with nvidia driver I installed it debian way with m-a a-i and I still have an error on nvidia driver module does not exist but lsmod said nvidia is loadded http://pastebin.com/68aZ5JNa any idea ? thanks |
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| 12:59.58 | steel_ | babilen, it worked |
| 13:00.16 | babilen | steel_: Splendid |
| 13:00.24 | erawfish_ | X0n: use /msg dpkg nvidia dkms dkms ia a newer way than module-assistant |
| 13:00.33 | steel_ | babilen, and everyone else thanks for helping me out |
| 13:00.37 | steel_ | :) |
| 13:01.04 | erawfish_ | X0n: and can you please show us the whole path of your nvidia kernel module and the output of dpkg - l |grep nvidia ? |
| 13:01.15 | erawfish_ | X0n: the module there is the nvidia Xorg module, not the nvidia kernel module |
| 13:01.16 | X0n | erawfish_, sure give me a sec |
| 13:02.18 | X0n | erawfish_, http://pastebin.com/sypBfW6C |
| 13:02.49 | X0n | erawfish_, ah I should install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia ? |
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| 13:03.08 | erawfish_ | X0n: no |
| 13:04.00 | erawfish_ | X0n: what nvidia card do you have? |
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| 13:04.09 | X0n | erawfish_, VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 9300M GS] (rev a1) |
| 13:05.21 | erawfish_ | X0n: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so should exist |
| 13:05.45 | X0n | erawfish_, no it's not |
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| 13:06.17 | erawfish_ | X0n: is this sid or wheezy? |
| 13:06.22 | X0n | erawfish_, sid |
| 13:08.17 | lapsusbrutus | ive got a minimal cups printserver thats not using ntp right it seems, may not even be installed. Is this an easy thing? |
| 13:08.18 | erawfish_ | seems you're right after all, you need xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, it's where they put the driver now |
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| 13:08.50 | erawfish_ | and the driver is /usr/lib/nvidia/current/nvidia_drv.so |
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| 13:08.58 | X0n | erawfish_, ok I install and watch for nvidia_drv.so |
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| 13:09.13 | themill | lapsusbrutus: aptitude install ntp |
| 13:09.46 | erawfish_ | lapsusbrutus: and if the clock differs too much from the actual time, run ntpdate once |
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| 13:10.16 | X0n | erawfish_, I've install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and now I got the nvidia_drv.so |
| 13:10.38 | X0n | erawfish_, now it works thanks a lot |
| 13:11.06 | erawfish_ | X0n: the dkms package should have done this all automatically. use it in the future |
| 13:12.09 | themill | erawfish_: is that still necessary since lenny? (it should not be) |
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| 13:13.24 | pierrep__ | hi |
| 13:13.59 | pierrep__ | does it exist a soft to manage ssh public keys? other seahorse and Ksshkeys that in not flexible enough |
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| 13:18.40 | pierrep__ | or simply password or text manager just need to have a password that crypt the whole thing |
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| 13:18.59 | grenoal | m running wheezy. no wine, wine-bin or libwine in the repository. i installed them a few days ago. what is happening? |
| 13:19.00 | lapsusbrutus | nice thanks themill erawfish_ |
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| 13:20.56 | jelly | grenoal: where did you install them from? |
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| 13:21.30 | grenoal | debian 'testing'. |
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| 13:22.16 | jelly | grenoal: pastebin the output of dpkg -l |
| 13:22.32 | jelly | grenoal: pastebin the output of dpkg -l '*wine*' | grep '^.i' |
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| 13:23.10 | grenoal | correction. that was only winetricks. wine was installed much earlier. i removed it and tried to re-install. |
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| 13:23.56 | grenoal | that's when i find its not in the repo. |
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| 13:25.06 | grenoal | jelly was helping me. what is the reason to ban him? |
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| 13:28.19 | Dulak | think that was automated from join spam |
| 13:28.36 | pizza_biz | indirect ban caused by a bouncing client on the same host (madmax83). |
| 13:28.41 | jmosco | with openldap/kerberos, on first login, the home dir is no longer being created. I have the proper module in common-session, and its not working |
| 13:28.46 | jmosco | is there anywhere else I can look? |
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| 13:34.25 | grenoal | is wine not available in wheezy anymore? |
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| 13:36.03 | kthakore | hello |
| 13:36.21 | grenoal | the .deb for wheezy is not available in winehq too. |
| 13:36.35 | kthakore | I am trying to install debian 6.0 in vmware but running into a problem when it tries to connect to the repository and install grub |
| 13:37.17 | asdjaputra | grenoal, maybe there aren't any official releases yet. |
| 13:37.32 | asdjaputra | even 7.0 is not out yet |
| 13:37.56 | grenoal | maybe. will just have to wait. bye. |
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| 13:38.36 | Guest77358 | hihi |
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| 13:46.06 | sephii | I have a problem with SPF configuration in postfix, the check is done when receiving mails, but even if the SPF result is Fail, the mail still comes in the user mailbox. See details here http://pastebin.com/2fYaB9PU |
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| 13:47.05 | kthakore | I keep seeing "Installation ste Failed, An installation step failed. You can ... . The failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk." |
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| 13:54.29 | korst3n | what could make init not recognize commands in inittab? |
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| 13:58.31 | pizza_biz | any commands, or just specific ones? |
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| 13:58.51 | korst3n | anything that i've added into the end |
| 13:58.56 | korst3n | same commands work at another debian |
| 13:59.08 | rue_mohr | I cant find ANY cross platform arm compilers, what should I be looking for? |
| 13:59.17 | korst3n | web:23:respawn:/bin/bash /root/web.sh is what i have added, it doesn't matter whats in /root/web.sh, even if i put echo "blah">>/root/test it doesn't do |
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| 14:00.42 | pizza_biz | korst3n: what does runlevel output? |
| 14:01.17 | korst3n | pizza_biz: N 2 |
| 14:01.47 | pizza_biz | hm. and i take it there's no other line in inittab with id "web"? |
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| 14:03.04 | korst3n | pizza_biz: nope its the only one. weird thing is i have multiple similar lines, the second one gets executed and the rest doesn't |
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| 14:06.18 | threadlock | pbuilder anyone? What's wrong with: pbuilder --basetgz /path/to/base.tgz --execute -- dpkg -l > /tmp/packages.base |
| 14:06.22 | threadlock | ? |
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| 14:08.23 | threadlock | (it fills /tmp/packages.base with pbuilder --help output) |
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| 14:10.24 | pizza_biz | korst3n: /etc/inittab is 0644? maybe init is providing an error in /var/log? maybe pastebin the inittab file to look at? otherwise i'm out of ideas for now, sorry. |
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| 14:13.27 | korst3n | pizza_biz: http://pastebin.com/1xhRuLHG |
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| 14:16.39 | rue_mohr | I cant find ANY cross platform arm compilers, what should I be looking for? |
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| 14:17.31 | gusryfeld | Why does it have to be cross platform? |
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| 14:17.47 | rue_mohr | casue I'm compiling on a x86 for an arm |
| 14:17.53 | rue_mohr | well, thats the plan |
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| 14:18.41 | gentz | how come when I pass stdin to gedit in a pipeline ' .... | gedit -' . it doesn't work? . I thought maybe it was looking for filename. so then i try gedit <(echo 'test'), but it still doesnt work? |
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| 14:19.17 | Dulak | rue_mohr: the term you want is cross-compiling |
| 14:19.27 | rue_mohr | excellent |
| 14:19.41 | rue_mohr | are there cross compiler debian packages? |
| 14:20.19 | Dulak | rue_mohr: http://www.tazenda.demon.co.uk/phil/arm-tools.html |
| 14:20.40 | rue_mohr | so, no? |
| 14:20.45 | Dulak | rue_mohr: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ailis.de%2F~k%2Farchives%2F19-ARM-cross-compiling-howto.html&ei=HlGxTpelCJHRiAKZgsn_Dw&usg=AFQjCNFA2H0ywnHfm3GnvP7C65DcOpplgA |
| 14:20.52 | gusryfeld | gcc does that. |
| 14:20.55 | rue_mohr | but no debian packages? |
| 14:21.09 | rue_mohr | not the debian version |
| 14:21.30 | Dulak | rue_mohr: You have to setup the compiler to cross-compile, there is no 'one command' solution. |
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| 14:21.45 | gusryfeld | Of course it does. |
| 14:21.45 | rue_mohr | its funny, under debian you can get a cross compiler for z80, 68hc11, avr, pics, but not arm |
| 14:22.12 | rue_mohr | no, no debian package has an arm cross compiler in it |
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| 14:22.45 | rue_mohr | I think this is quite odd |
| 14:22.46 | abrotman | you could use qemu though |
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| 14:23.42 | rue_mohr | I'd rather not have to create an entire working arm system in an emulator to compile a small program... |
| 14:24.10 | Dulak | Then you shall not be cross-compiling to arm then. |
| 14:24.12 | gusryfeld | Then learn to configure gcc. |
| 14:24.19 | gusryfeld | Build it yourself if you have to. |
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| 14:24.53 | rue_mohr | I'v accepted there is no arm cross compiler, I'm just saying I think its odd |
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| 14:25.30 | rue_mohr | I'd like to create the package, but I don have the time to become a debian developer |
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| 14:25.47 | rue_mohr | iirc I'd need to be a debian sponsor too |
| 14:25.58 | pizza_biz | korst3n: i still don't see anything that jumps out at me as a problem, sorry. other than checking for log errors, i'm not sure what else to suggest. |
| 14:26.41 | snikker | hi, is possibile to redirect stout to file and terminal at same time? |
| 14:26.55 | snikker | *stdout |
| 14:26.59 | Dulak | Not that odd considering the entire toolchain is required to be arm, for it to work correctly, which is not true of most other platforms. arm is very different. |
| 14:27.03 | rue_mohr | I think there is a split command |
| 14:27.06 | rue_mohr | snikker, |
| 14:27.20 | Dulak | snikker: use the tee command |
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| 14:27.28 | rue_mohr | Dulak, your assuming the arm is to run linux, its not |
| 14:27.29 | korst3n | pizza_biz: thanks for your time. turns out i forgot to give path to /root in the scripts |
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| 14:28.03 | snikker | Dulak: ok, thanks, i try it |
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| 14:36.11 | I_Died_Once | About to install Linux on a laptop - a Presario CQ56 - should I use the 32 or 64 bit OS ???? |
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| 14:38.39 | htcwild | my gnome desktop is blank; xessions errors: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module" |
| 14:38.43 | htcwild | a lot of them |
| 14:38.50 | htcwild | any idea |
| 14:38.51 | htcwild | ? |
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| 14:40.16 | boudiccas | htcwild; yes, dump gnome and use KDE |
| 14:40.36 | petemc | useful |
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| 14:42.58 | abrotman | boudiccas: stop being an ass |
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| 14:43.17 | abrotman | boudiccas: you're so far from helpful .. many people have noticed and commented |
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| 14:45.27 | abrotman | htcwild: might help you to tell us which version of Debian, which version of Gnome, etc |
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| 14:49.46 | windparadise | hello, pls Ihave created an ns record which seems not working when pinged, |
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| 14:50.00 | windparadise | here is the details of the addresses http://pastebin.com/dC1nV5s0 |
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| 14:50.22 | daniel-s | does anyone here have a problem using blogger? |
| 14:50.31 | daniel-s | it's not working for me |
| 14:50.43 | windparadise | I have created an A record from my Godaddy Account where my domain name points to the server's IP address, but despite all that, nothing works, what can be the cause ? |
| 14:50.44 | daniel-s | I have tried all browsers, I suspect it's the ISP |
| 14:50.53 | OldParr | abrotman: i have installed kde alongside with gnome and xcfe but when kde begins to load after 5 seconds of loading the screen turns black and the computer returns to the logon screen, debian squeeze, kde 4.4.5 |
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| 14:51.17 | windparadise | daniel-s: try configuring your network ip configuration by adding an address from open DNS and try again |
| 14:51.22 | windparadise | are you in china? |
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| 14:51.36 | daniel-s | no |
| 14:51.45 | daniel-s | I can get to blogger |
| 14:51.58 | daniel-s | but it hangs on the page where you write your blog post |
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| 14:52.08 | daniel-s | it just keeps saying "loading" and never changes |
| 14:52.11 | htcwild | abrotman: debian sid and gnome2 |
| 14:52.16 | windparadise | ok, in which country are you located in ? |
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| 14:52.42 | erawfish_ | doublechecks if he's in #dns-and-connection-troubles |
| 14:52.56 | daniel-s | I'm in australia, is that how the great firewall of china works? by blocking dns names? |
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| 14:53.45 | kthakore | The Debian install is is asking for initial preconfiguration file. What is that? |
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| 14:53.55 | fredddd | Could anyone guide me with the following? I would like to synchronise my calendar, task list and contacts to my server, and be able to connect my N900 to it (right now, to give an example, I can link my N900 with Google Sync through ActiveSync, and have that done). But I would like to host it on my own Debian powered server. Anyone have any idea where to go with this? |
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| 14:54.07 | windparadise | daniel-s: you supposed notto have taht problem |
| 14:54.27 | windparadise | are other websites working properly? |
| 14:54.41 | petemc | windparadise: you dont appear to have created an A record for mx.berylhost.com |
| 14:54.45 | daniel-s | the rest of the internet seems fine |
| 14:55.20 | daniel-s | although, sometimes some other websites do have issues. I just came here to see if there's a known debian specific problem. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it's my ISP |
| 14:55.40 | windparadise | petemc: I have created an A record for berylhost.com but not for mx.berylhost.com when tried, to insert an IP address into an MX record, it got an error |
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| 14:55.50 | windparadise | do I need to type an IP address or a domain name? |
| 14:55.51 | daniel-s | they have really screwed up my service in the last few months. DNS in particular is really slow, it makes using the web kinda annoying |
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| 14:56.08 | daniel-s | anyway, thanks windparadise |
| 14:56.19 | petemc | windparadise: an mx record needs point to an A record |
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| 14:56.43 | abrotman | htcwild: you mean mean gnome3? |
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| 14:56.58 | windparadise | petemc: so what should i type there? an IP address or a domain name ? |
| 14:57.09 | petemc | ... |
| 14:57.12 | lapsusbrutus | aptitude install awesome.. youll not miss gnome or kde a second :p |
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| 14:57.35 | abrotman | isn't there a #dns ? |
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| 14:57.53 | windparadise | petemc: wait let me send you a screenshot |
| 14:57.54 | abrotman | htcwild: gnome3 is now in sid .. if you're not using it, god knows what sort of issues you might hit |
| 14:58.22 | htcwild | I get the same error with Gnome3 as with XFCE |
| 14:58.27 | petemc | windparadise: dont bother, a more prudent investment of your time would be to read up on dns |
| 14:58.46 | abrotman | htcwild: you said gnome2 ... |
| 14:58.56 | abrotman | htcwild: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. does it want to install anything ? |
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| 15:00.03 | htcwild | no abrot |
| 15:00.06 | htcwild | man |
| 15:00.34 | abrotman | htcwild: and you've checked the BTS for similar errors? |
| 15:00.49 | htcwild | BTS? |
| 15:01.06 | abrotman | !tell htcwild about bts |
| 15:01.28 | htcwild | lapsusbrutus : i did that , now how do make 'awesome' start instead of gnome? |
| 15:01.44 | htcwild | ah, no abrotman |
| 15:02.13 | abrotman | using another WM isn't really a solution to the actual problem |
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| 15:03.11 | htcwild | yes, but it's odd that installing xfce also shows an empty screen (only the debian backdrop) |
| 15:03.16 | windparadise | petemc: please can you have a look at the dns manager? |
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| 15:03.51 | petemc | windparadise: ok |
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| 15:05.19 | abrotman | htcwild: /win 1 |
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| 15:06.05 | gbz | hello. has anyone tried http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/ ? does it work as advertised? i have a laptop with a busted optical drive which is unable to boot from usb. will that work ? i found a tutorial here: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_windows_installer |
| 15:06.44 | htcwild | abrotman? what do you mean? |
| 15:07.02 | erawfish_ | gbz: it does work. it creates an entry in the windows bootmanager |
| 15:07.33 | gbz | erawfish_: how about removing windows ? |
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| 15:07.57 | lautriv | still on testing btrfs-root, i have a proper setup and kernel with initram ( to do a btrfsctl -a before pivot_root) however it will stop booting in (initramfs) instead jumping over there..........what could i miss ? |
| 15:07.58 | abrotman | htcwild: ignore .. it was something i mistyped |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | htcwild: but it's likely a gtk issue or maybe dbus |
| 15:08.16 | erawfish_ | gbz: what about it? |
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| 15:08.43 | gbz | can it be done with this installer? |
| 15:09.20 | erawfish_ | gbz: no. installers don't remove OSes. you can use another OS to remove an OS by deleting the partition and such |
| 15:09.54 | erawfish_ | gbz: you can install debian with this, nothing more nothing less. just like you can use a windows CD to install windows, nothing and nothing less |
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| 15:10.24 | gbz | you can remove a windows partition with d-i though |
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| 15:10.51 | gbz | eg. tell installer to use entire hd |
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| 15:11.34 | erawfish_ | sure you can do this here too. dangerous to do but your choice |
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| 15:12.15 | gbz | but if it fails the machine is fucked |
| 15:12.31 | erawfish_ | the word "dangerous" implies that, yes |
| 15:12.46 | gbz | heh |
| 15:13.06 | gbz | do i have other options? |
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| 15:13.13 | erawfish_ | you can always put the harddisk into another computer |
| 15:13.25 | erawfish_ | debian can be installed in one PC and used in another easily |
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| 15:13.41 | gbz | indeed, but its not an option atm |
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| 15:16.45 | htcwild | I got Awesome running |
| 15:16.50 | htcwild | kinda like it |
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| 15:18.48 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: thanks .. great plan .. |
| 15:18.51 | abrotman | not helpful |
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| 15:26.24 | dym | Hey - when i use "smbclient -L HOST -U USER%PASS \\host\share" within a shellscript and want to get a certain thing out of the output (using head and awk) u keep getting the two headerlines too - how can i supress that? |
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| 15:27.49 | abrotman | dym: grep -v ? |
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| 15:29.42 | wibby | Hi, I'm trying to install gcc-4.4. but synaptic is telling me it would remove almost all of my programs for that. obviously, something is screwed up. how do i repair the dependencies? |
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| 15:30.27 | abrotman | wibby: have you mixed distros or versions of Debian ? |
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| 15:31.35 | wibby | abrotman: i used to have the sid ressource in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sid.list because i wanted to install node.js via synaptic. i guess i screwed up along the way |
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| 15:31.54 | abrotman | guess so .. |
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| 15:32.08 | abrotman | you can try to comment that out .. see what happens .. you may have to reinstall |
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| 15:32.24 | wibby | already did that |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | wibby: generally .. mixing versions of Debian leads to breaking ... |
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| 15:32.35 | abrotman | wibby: what is your current libc6 ? |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:32.39 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 15:32.41 | somiaj | wibby: aptitude search ~S~i~Aunstable |
| 15:32.59 | somiaj | wibby: you may have to manually download every package in that list, which isn't the easiest of tasks |
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| 15:33.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wibby about ssb |
| 15:33.43 | abrotman | wibby: the bot just told you about the generally preferred method to get stuff from sid if you really need it |
| 15:33.50 | wibby | somiaj: aptitude search ~S~i~Aunstable doesn't return anything |
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| 15:34.51 | wibby | abrotman: thanks. next time i'll just compile things i can't find... |
| 15:34.55 | gusryfeld | wibby, when using sid just for a few packages you should pin it so it won't install any packages from it unless you tell it to do so |
| 15:35.03 | abrotman | wibby: that's not really what i meant .. |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | gusryfeld: no .. he should backport .. not pin |
| 15:35.25 | somiaj | gusryfeld: you shouldn't use sid sources on stable for any reason. Its not the package you want to install that casues problems. Its the core dependencies |
| 15:35.28 | abrotman | wibby: what is your normal version of Debian? wheezy? squeeze? |
| 15:35.40 | gusryfeld | I thought he was using testing. |
| 15:35.43 | wibby | squeeze |
| 15:35.49 | abrotman | gusryfeld: still doesn't make it okay |
| 15:35.54 | gusryfeld | Yes it does. |
| 15:36.01 | abrotman | gusryfeld: no, it does not |
| 15:36.10 | gusryfeld | Uhum. |
| 15:36.13 | wibby | the install is pretty fresh so a reinstall woudln't be the worst of options. because i screwed up the java install too hehe |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | gusryfeld: when testing freezes, and testing and unstable diverge .. what then? is it okay then? |
| 15:36.45 | gusryfeld | That's why you pin it. |
| 15:36.56 | abrotman | missing the point .. don't tell people to pin |
| 15:37.10 | gusryfeld | Well, it was a suggestion. |
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| 15:37.28 | gusryfeld | You can advise him not to. |
| 15:37.44 | abrotman | it was a poor suggestion |
| 15:37.45 | wibby | soo.. no way to save my install? can't aptitude undo installations or something? |
| 15:37.51 | gusryfeld | In your opinion. |
| 15:38.02 | abrotman | gusryfeld: in most opinions .. |
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| 15:38.13 | wibby | let's relax... |
| 15:38.13 | gusryfeld | Well, I'll have to take your word for that... |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | wibby: you can uninstall the stuff from unstable, try to work back to squeeze |
| 15:38.20 | somiaj | gusryfeld: its a bad and destructive suggestion. Mixing versions of debian usually leads to problems. |
| 15:38.34 | gele | is there any way to get rsync to work with devices (e.g. usb sticks) ? |
| 15:38.38 | gusryfeld | somiaj I've been doing it for years, never had a problem. |
| 15:38.39 | abrotman | pinning has its uses .. this isn't a good one |
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| 15:38.56 | gusryfeld | Mixing stable and testing on the other hand is truly wrong. |
| 15:39.06 | gele | or is there any other duplication/backup tool that can be used to back up a usb stick to another usb stick incrementally, with as few writes as possible? |
| 15:39.15 | wibby | fuck it i'll reinstall |
| 15:39.19 | wibby | goodbye thanks |
| 15:39.28 | somiaj | wibby: downgrading is not an option, but possible if its only a few packages. You will have to use aptitude search and figure out wich packages you have that are not stable and manually downgrade them. This could be time consuming and require a bit of work. |
| 15:39.28 | gele | it needs to be at the block device level since the contents of the sticks are encrypted filesystems, and i don't want to decrypt them to do the backup. |
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| 15:39.51 | gusryfeld | That could lead to problems as well. |
| 15:40.10 | dym | abrotman: that would invert the matches |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | gele: so you want to just change the bits (literally) that have changed? |
| 15:40.24 | abrotman | dym: you grep -v the stuff you don't want to see |
| 15:40.28 | gele | abrotman: exactly. or the blocks, or whatever level is reasonable. |
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| 15:40.41 | gnarface | anyone know anything about using eesh in e16? |
| 15:40.54 | abrotman | gele: so you want like a binary delta/diff program |
| 15:40.56 | gnarface | i'm trying to automate a specific window repositioning |
| 15:41.10 | gele | abrotman: yes. |
| 15:41.24 | gele | abrotman: and the corresponding patch program. |
| 15:41.41 | abrotman | gele: sounds like you have some search terms you can use to look |
| 15:42.17 | abrotman | gele: apt-cache search binary delta |
| 15:42.28 | dym | abrotman: no joy .. |
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| 15:43.00 | gele | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 15:43.22 | gele | i wonder why rsync doesn't even have an option to treat device files as actual files. |
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| 15:44.32 | abrotman | dym: you're doing it wrong :) |
| 15:44.39 | acu | greetings to all - guys - I have a physical windows 2003 server - I want to virtualize it - and run it in KVM - I did a successful p2v using WMVARE - but I want to convert it to KVM - none of the tutorials out there clearly delineates a working tutorial to either p2v or a v2v conversion towards a kvm format - I have one vmdk but still do not work - any hints |
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| 15:45.01 | dym | abrotman: http://script.quakenet.org/paste/580424 |
| 15:45.06 | dym | abrotman: thats the output |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | dym: so you want to get rid of the lines with the ----- for example ? |
| 15:45.13 | dym | and i want to suppress the first 2 lines |
| 15:45.30 | dym | argh - actually its 2 lines on top |
| 15:45.59 | dym | abrotman: http://script.quakenet.org/paste/580425 |
| 15:46.01 | dym | like that. |
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| 15:46.16 | abrotman | paste won't open here |
| 15:47.08 | abrotman | anyway .. you probably really want #bash for this .. and egrep -v 'term1|term2' should do it |
| 15:47.16 | dym | im using bash |
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| 15:47.50 | abrotman | right .. i'm saying to ask the channel #bash |
| 15:47.58 | dym | abrotman: those lines seem to be exclusively there. even when i tail -n 1 i still get the lines |
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| 15:54.04 | gele | hmm. with an encrypted block device it's almost certain that no sizable chunks of data are going to be identical to other sizable chunks of data in other positions in the older version, so many of the clever tricks diff programs do are going to be useless. |
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| 15:55.33 | gele | it's probably not possible to improve much on a simple program that loads block by block from the two devices in parallel, compares them, and writes the new block to the backup device if they are different. |
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| 15:57.43 | karlpinc | gele: You could always decrypt before backing up and backup to an encrypted partition. |
| 15:58.26 | gele | karlpinc: yes, but part of my requirements is that i should not have to decrypt. |
| 15:58.40 | karlpinc | gele: (Backing up partitions is not particularly efficent compared to using, say rsync with hard links on a filesystem backup.) |
| 15:58.44 | thelastninja | acu: doesnt this help ? http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/How_To_Migrate_From_Vmware_To_KVM |
| 15:59.02 | gele | i want to be able to just stick two usb sticks in an untrusted computer and run the backup program to make stick #2 identical to stick #1. |
| 15:59.20 | gele | i use filesystem-based backup for other things, of course. |
| 15:59.27 | cantido | gele: dd |
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| 15:59.49 | gele | cantido: right, but that overwrites the whole thing, not just the parts that have changed. |
| 15:59.56 | gele | and writing is typically much slower than reading. |
| 16:00.09 | karlpinc | gele, cantido : Yes. dd. But because flash is slow writing.... Oh, you said. |
| 16:00.36 | cantido | find a binary diff then.. |
| 16:00.49 | gele | cantido: that's what i'm testing now (xdelta3). |
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| 16:02.23 | atari_314 | Hello, can anyone please tell me the debian minimal install footprint? |
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| 16:02.52 | karlpinc | gele: FWIW, I've had problems with bootsectors on flash. You might find it better to work with a partitioned flash drive and just mess with the partition content and avoid the mbr and partition tables. YMMV. |
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| 16:03.28 | cantido | atari_314: I dont know what the exact numbers are.. but I'm running off of a 1GB SD card |
| 16:03.39 | gele | karlpinc: i think it should work, but if it won't boot i'll try doing that. |
| 16:03.42 | karlpinc | atari_314: I think it's in the install guide. I seem to recall about 300M, but I could be completely wrong. Of course, if you want it to _do_ anything.... |
| 16:04.11 | atari_314 | ty, I just want it on bash :) |
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| 16:04.23 | karlpinc | gele: I've had problems ever making a flash drive boot again after re-creating the partition table. |
| 16:04.30 | gele | karlpinc: i've already copied the whole thing once with dd, and at least the partition table survived. i haven't tried to boot the copy yet though. |
| 16:04.57 | cantido | karlpinc: probably the fault of usb booting being a crazy mess |
| 16:05.15 | gele | i installed debian to the original stick, letting the installer partition and overwrite everything, and that worked fine. |
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| 16:05.27 | gele | and i'm careful to get identical sticks. |
| 16:05.46 | gentz | is there any terminal program when when i go to through history (by pressing up arrow), multi-line commands are not placed on a single line but spaced on many lines, as they were written? |
| 16:06.04 | karlpinc | cantido: Yes. I'd like to be able to take a flash drive and wipe it completely and re-construct what I like. But have had no success. Making a bootable pc partition seems beyond today's tech. |
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| 16:06.51 | gele | karlpinc: i've even copied over a debian installation done with kvm to a disk image over to a usb stick, and that worked. |
| 16:07.15 | gele | kvm = qemu/kvm |
| 16:07.19 | karlpinc | gele: Copying the install image seems to work. |
| 16:07.52 | cantido | gele: did you try it on more than one machine? |
| 16:08.00 | karlpinc | gele: But not using the toolset to create a new partition table, make a partition bootable, etc. |
| 16:08.00 | gele | cantido: nope, not yet. |
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| 16:11.27 | karlpinc | cantido: PCs are just a crazy mess. I'm hoping arm gets it's shit together. |
| 16:11.52 | cantido | ARM is already a crazy mess |
| 16:12.30 | karlpinc | cantido: So crazy it's virtually unbootable. The problem seems to be recognized, so maybe it'll be fixed. |
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| 16:14.34 | cantido | the booloader for this machine is such a mess that it only compiles on one specific toolchain,.. a specific version,.. and can barely load a kernel image when you can build it |
| 16:14.36 | karlpinc | cantido: I've got a sheva plug and want to put debian and an encrypted fs on it. But it won't be secure unless I install the bootloader and otherwise erase what's there and so far I've been afraid to start. |
| 16:15.06 | cantido | karlpinc: you're running from USB? |
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| 16:15.55 | karlpinc | cantido: I think I'd boot the os from flash, or whatever's in there, if I can. Then use an external usb drive with an encrypted fs. |
| 16:16.43 | karlpinc | cantido: I want to drop the whole mess at a remote site and keep remote backups there. |
| 16:16.45 | cantido | as long as you can get to the initramfs stage you can have whatever root fs setup you want |
| 16:16.56 | karlpinc | cantido: Yeah. I'm afraid of the boot loader. |
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| 16:17.18 | cantido | you can have an initramfs with dropbear etc in it so that you can unlock the encrypted fs remotely etc |
| 16:17.41 | karlpinc | cantido: I use openvpn to punch through NAT, or whatever, and this lets me drop the box anywhere. |
| 16:17.56 | karlpinc | cantido: Yes. I like that. I have to think about just what I want. |
| 16:18.01 | cantido | has an initramfs that allows cutting the power to the CF card to reset it |
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| 16:19.26 | cantido | karlpinc: you can put the initramfs inside the kernel too, so as long as your basic bootloader isnt totally retarded to the point that it can't load bigger kernel images you can do it anywhere |
| 16:19.38 | erawfish_ | atari_314: minimal would be less than 100MB |
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| 16:19.56 | atari_314 | tyvm :) |
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| 16:20.21 | erawfish_ | karlpinc: you've never seen ARM devices then. compared to them PC is heaven for bootup, for standardized hardware architecture and so on |
| 16:21.03 | cantido | erawfish_: at least interrupt controllers etc are standardised now ;) |
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| 16:33.54 | Hounddog | Hi, i am trying to compile mysql-workbench on debian and am getting some error error: ‘AutoPyObject’ in namespace ‘grt’ does not name a type maybee someone here knows what i could do... i get a feeling it is with the python version |
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| 16:37.59 | gele | xdelta3 doesn't seem to do in-place patching... |
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| 16:38.23 | gele | ...so for my purposes it's no better than dd. |
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| 16:38.52 | rabies | does anyone know what the name of the notification thingy that pops up in the upper right corner of gnome is called? |
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| 16:39.34 | abrotman | rabies: notification center? |
| 16:40.14 | rabies | abrotman: do you know how to get pidgin to send one of those when i get a message w/ the name of the user and the text of the message? |
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| 16:40.44 | rabies | notification center eh?... |
| 16:40.48 | pizza_biz | not sure if this is a debian or exim4 question, but i had a mail server setup to do AUTH LOGIN. i added a new domain to handle, but ended up deciding to move it to another server. so i took it back out via dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and now the server won't do AUTH LOGIN and my clients can't send mail. anyone know offhand what i broke here? can't find the !@#*!@#! howto i used to enable in the first place. |
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| 16:41.06 | abrotman | rabies: install the pidgin extras package (i think that's the name) .. look at the notifications plugin |
| 16:41.37 | rabies | ahhh...duh |
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| 16:42.15 | petemc | pizza_biz: exim -bP auth_advertise_hosts |
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| 16:42.49 | pizza_biz | it tells me "*". |
| 16:42.52 | rabies | abrotman, thankee kindy... |
| 16:43.23 | petemc | pizza_biz: so thats ok, what do the logs say when the clients attempt auth ? |
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| 16:44.42 | pizza_biz | getting "rejected RCPT <...>: relay not permitted in" mainlog. |
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| 16:45.36 | petemc | pizza_biz: stop the daemon, then run exim -d -bd , this will run exim in debug mode, try to send a mail and see what it says |
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| 16:49.30 | pizza_biz | i was already testing it with "telnet localhost 25". before it said "250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN", now it says "250-STARTTLS", not sure why dpkg-reconfigure would have blown that out. |
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| 16:55.06 | wfq | hi guys |
| 16:55.41 | wfq | I have got the typical grub rescue problem. Have tried root() and setup() but they are unknown commands. |
| 16:56.09 | wfq | When inserting the debian installer I have got a Graphical rescue mode? Can I use it for recovering the grub? |
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| 16:56.34 | wfq | I can't see any option letting me to recover the grub |
| 16:56.40 | babilen | !tell wfq -about fixmbr |
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| 16:58.56 | SasanRose | hi every body, i need to use bonding as a solution to have a reliable ineternet, but i need my bonding to change ip, i mean my eth1 is 192.168.0.110 and my eth2 is 192.168.0.112, so i need the bond interface to inherit the ip from these two nics, is it possible? |
| 16:59.07 | wfq | babilen thanks but alt+f12 while my debian installer cd is in seems to do nothing |
| 16:59.21 | pizza_biz | hrm. in debug mode, i can manually relay, but the server still doesn't offer AUTH PLAIN LOGIN. crap, i know i trounced something in the config somehow, but i could SWEAR dpkg-reconfigure didn't do that before. |
| 16:59.25 | wfq | I think I may need a debian live instead |
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| 17:00.33 | wfq | now yes sorry |
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| 17:00.55 | rabies | bro! |
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| 17:01.47 | AHemlocksLie | I need to install my graphics card drivers for my nVidia cards. Is it best for me to use the free drivers or the proprietary ones? |
| 17:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 17:02.06 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:02.16 | erawfish_ | depends if you want hardware 3D acceleration or not |
| 17:02.24 | wfq | hmm I do not remember what sdaNumber was my linux and fdisk -l is not available. "df" shows nothing |
| 17:02.44 | erawfish_ | wfq: if you are under linux, cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:02.45 | abrotman | win 3 |
| 17:02.51 | AHemlocksLie | I'd like to have it |
| 17:02.58 | AHemlocksLie | I'd like to do some gaming through Wine |
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| 17:03.11 | erawfish_ | !tell AHemlocksLie about nvidia dkms |
| 17:03.15 | erawfish_ | AHemlocksLie: which videocard is it? |
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| 17:03.40 | wfq | erafish_ I am trying to rescue my grub by using the instructions provided by command -about fixmbr |
| 17:03.45 | AHemlocksLie | it's a 570 |
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| 17:04.04 | erawfish_ | wfq: and what did you try and what happened? |
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| 17:04.10 | erawfish_ | AHemlocksLie: which debian version? |
| 17:04.23 | wfq | I am trying to understand what partition my linux was on before following the instructions |
| 17:04.25 | AHemlocksLie | I just downloaded and used the netinstall yesterday, so I assume pretty recent |
| 17:04.27 | wfq | I could erase windows |
| 17:05.24 | erawfish_ | mount each partition in succession. sda1 to sda6. sooner or later you know when you hit your linux installation |
| 17:05.38 | erawfish_ | dmesg | more should tell you which partitions are available |
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| 17:09.26 | wfq | but I am running the debian cd installer. Should that be sdx where x a onward? |
| 17:10.04 | project2501b | wfq run everything in a for loop |
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| 17:12.39 | erawfish_ | wfq: please check your dmesg output. it will tell you what block devices you have |
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| 17:13.13 | erawfish_ | AHemlocksLie: you will need to backport the nvidia drivers from sid. The ones in squeeze repos are too old for your newish videocard. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:15.22 | AHemlocksLie | oh, hell, this is looking like it's gonna get fairly involved |
| 17:16.41 | wfq | I have done a dmesg | grep sda and outputs sda: sda1 < sda5> sda2 sda3 sda4 then in another line: sd 1:0:0:0 [sda] Attached scsic disk. Have tried to do sdb, sdc... and no ouput is printed. I have triend to mount from sda1 to sda6 and I find the error: no such file or directory |
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| 17:18.02 | smhar | I have a strange issue with the usb mouse. out of a sudden, the buttons stopped working. the pointer is fine though. how can I resolve this without restarting the computer |
| 17:18.09 | wfq | !tell wfq -about rescue mode |
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| 17:18.38 | wfq | !tell wfq -about install guide |
| 17:19.20 | babilen | !tell wfq -about selftell |
| 17:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | smhar: You might see if Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is enabled. If not, go to a console and restart ?dm. |
| 17:19.29 | gele | smhar: unplug it and plug it back in? |
| 17:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | smhar: Yes, that should re-initialize the mouse. |
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| 17:21.09 | smhar | jhutchins_lt, I do not want to restart X. can't I restart the mouse alone |
| 17:21.28 | smhar | gele, did that already but it is still the same |
| 17:21.44 | erawfish_ | wfq: what was the command and what the error you got when mounting. use a pastebin if possible |
| 17:22.18 | smhar | gele, jhutchins_lt, the strange thing is that the other desktop (ctrl+alt+8) has a working mouse |
| 17:22.47 | gele | smhar: sounds like some program grabbed your pointer. |
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| 17:23.39 | gele | smhar: if you can figure out which one it is and kill it (or figure out how to make it un-grab it) it should work again. |
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| 17:24.56 | wfq | erawfish_, I cannot use pastebin :). I am just trying mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /mnt and get not such file or directory |
| 17:25.07 | abrotman | so which doesn't exist? |
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| 17:26.58 | smhar | gele, it is probably FF, which I do not want to kill now ! |
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| 17:28.13 | LDungeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.28 | gele | weird, iotop claims that dd is reading twice as much as it writes when it's copying from one device to another. |
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| 17:30.04 | thebishop | hello, is it possible through apt/dpkg to replace modified files back to their "stock" version? |
| 17:30.05 | bhundven | wfq: ls -d /mnt; fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 17:30.44 | jerware | moin. |
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| 17:31.19 | gele | thebishop: apt-get install --reinstall might so it. |
| 17:31.20 | gele | do |
| 17:31.22 | jerware | You only need the first cd, debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso if you're going to apt-get what you need. correct? |
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| 17:31.53 | gele | jerware: you only need the minimal netinstall cd if you're going to get everything over the network. |
| 17:32.14 | gele | jerware: but the first normal cd would work as well. |
| 17:32.28 | jerware | oh network install. |
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| 17:35.46 | thebishop | gele, thanks, that did it |
| 17:36.20 | wfq | where should I install the grub? /dev/sda without a number? I want it to be installe din the mbr |
| 17:36.25 | wfq | *install |
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| 17:38.07 | abrotman | yes , /dev/sda |
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| 17:38.21 | gele | wfq: yes, /dev/sda (if that's the disk you want to install it to). the ones with numbers are partitions inside that disk. |
| 17:38.24 | abrotman | thebishop: which kind of files? |
| 17:38.48 | thebishop | abaddon, it's a config file for the opsview monitoring system |
| 17:38.49 | wfq | ok, that was my mistake. Let me try again |
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| 17:39.06 | abaddon | :-) |
| 17:39.10 | abrotman | thebishop: /msg dpkg confnew |
| 17:39.18 | abrotman | thebishop: for future reference |
| 17:39.22 | abrotman | or 'confmiss' |
| 17:39.29 | thebishop | ok thanks |
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| 17:39.48 | gele | when i do dd if=/dev/somedevice of=/dev/someotherdevice, is it normal for dd to read twice as much data as it writes? because that's what it's doing right now... |
| 17:40.04 | gele | does it read every block on the output device before it overwrites it? |
| 17:40.34 | wfq | now Windows has disappeared from the boot menu :). Can guess I will have toa dd manually and update the grub again |
| 17:41.44 | abrotman | wfq: install os-prober |
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| 17:42.57 | wfq | abrotman, what's that? any tool to check os systems on your hard drive ? |
| 17:43.05 | gele | and ocassionally the write speed goes down to 0, as if it was busy doing something else. |
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| 17:47.38 | valdyn | gele: no, it reads as much as it writes |
| 17:47.51 | gele | valdyn: iotop claims differently. |
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| 17:48.21 | valdyn | gele: so youre either reading it wrongly or iotop is lieing |
| 17:48.40 | abrotman | wfq: it has a package description |
| 17:48.53 | gele | dd is also suspiciously slow, but that may be because of a bad block size. |
| 17:49.02 | valdyn | gele: nah |
| 17:49.11 | bvalek2 | if i am understanding the package description correctly, the video card driver module i need is in firmware-linux-nonfree. how do i apply it for the system? |
| 17:49.12 | valdyn | gele: its hard to do a bad block size |
| 17:49.24 | erawfish_ | !tell bvalek2 about non-free |
| 17:49.40 | erawfish_ | valdyn: small block sizes are usually vers slow |
| 17:49.53 | valdyn | erawfish_: sure |
| 17:50.27 | valdyn | erawfish_: but its easy to get rather close to disk bandwidth even with small blocks |
| 17:50.41 | gele | i'm running iotop on the dd process, with the -a switch for accumulated values, and it says DISK READ: 9.72 G DISK WRITE: 4.86 G |
| 17:51.03 | gele | it could be lying, but it has seemed to be telling the truth about other things before. |
| 17:51.06 | valdyn | gele: you have cache |
| 17:51.13 | valdyn | gele: whats your ram size? |
| 17:51.18 | gele | 2 GB. |
| 17:51.34 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: i know what packages i have installed. i am asking, how to install the driver i need in the package |
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| 17:51.43 | gele | the device i'm reading is only 8 GB large. |
| 17:52.08 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: firmware is not a driver. and you install the firmware by adding the non-free repos and installing the firmware package |
| 17:52.08 | valdyn | gele: iotop is probably just lieing |
| 17:52.20 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: what videocard is it? |
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| 17:53.35 | valdyn | gele: as for block sizes i already get more than my disk can handle at bs=100 |
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| 17:53.46 | valdyn | gele: thats just very cpu intensive |
| 17:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: You are not understanding this correctly. |
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| 17:54.02 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: ATi Mobil RadeOn HD6650 |
| 17:54.10 | bvalek2 | jhutchins_lt: true :) |
| 17:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 17:54.18 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 17:54.29 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: which debian do you run? |
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| 17:54.48 | bvalek2 | 6.0.3 |
| 17:54.55 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: If you have installed the correct firmware package the driver will load the firmware automatically when it is started. |
| 17:55.12 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: then you need Xorg from backports and the firmware package from wheezy non-free |
| 17:55.34 | bvalek2 | i see |
| 17:55.47 | bvalek2 | erawfish_ , jhutchins_lt : thanks a lot! |
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| 17:56.09 | gele | i'll copy a couple of hundred megabytes from /dev/zero when i'm finished with this and see what iotop says about that. |
| 17:56.10 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: or you use a current fglrx driver which you probably have to backport from wheezy or sid |
| 17:56.43 | pizza_biz | weird. exim4 is fixed. i changed dc_use_split_config to false in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, ran update-exim4.conf then restart exim4 and it's back to the expected behavior. i can't imagine why i would have changed that. |
| 17:56.50 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: i never did backport before. can you give me a pointer, some doc to read? |
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| 17:56.58 | erawfish_ | !tell bvalek2 about ssb |
| 17:57.26 | erawfish_ | eyeOfKdng: fglrx you have to backport, the newer Xorg when using the Free drivers is already backported and only needs installing |
| 17:57.32 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: ^^ |
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| 17:57.44 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: you probably run a sandy bridge CPU? |
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| 17:58.23 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: its AMD A4-3300M 1.90GHz |
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| 17:58.40 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: the notebook is ASUS K53TA-SX029D |
| 17:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: The package is already backported, see http://backports.debian.org for instructions. |
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| 17:58.59 | bvalek2 | thanks |
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| 18:00.07 | ErVito | hi guys |
| 18:00.26 | ErVito | i would like to hide grub at the startup |
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| 18:01.09 | |apriori| | hey guys.. could anyone point me to a mailing list for the kernel 3.x series? I've got some issues apparently realtek drivers triggering nmi backtraces on all cores (I've no real clue what that even is) and could need some assistance in tracking down the actual issue. |
| 18:01.13 | ErVito | i would like it could be invoked |
| 18:01.19 | ErVito | how can i do it? |
| 18:01.56 | valdyn | !lkml |
| 18:01.57 | dpkg | somebody said lkml was the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
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| 18:02.15 | nixfreak | why is depmod running when I install a pkg ? |
| 18:02.23 | nixfreak | using squeeze |
| 18:02.43 | nixfreak | mem goes off the charts when installing something |
| 18:02.51 | |apriori| | valdyn: ty |
| 18:03.17 | |apriori| | nixfreak: depmod is updating the list of available modules of the kernel |
| 18:03.40 | |apriori| | valdyn: that link is down |
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| 18:03.56 | valdyn | |apriori|: i see 2 links |
| 18:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | nixfreak: Perhaps you need more ram. |
| 18:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | nixfreak: depmod has a manpage that explains what it does. |
| 18:05.01 | jhutchins_lt | ErVito: the splashy package does something like that, if it works for you. |
| 18:05.04 | nixfreak | ok i just never noticed it I guess , is it something in the newer distros |
| 18:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | ErVito: Not all hardawre supports it. |
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| 18:05.32 | jhutchins_lt | nixfreak: Not at all, it goes back as far as the modular kernel. |
| 18:05.50 | nixfreak | ok thx |
| 18:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | nixfreak: It compiles the dependency table for the kernel modules. |
| 18:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | nixfreak: How much ram do you have? |
| 18:06.27 | nixfreak | 1gig |
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| 18:10.43 | tehrabbitt_work | Hey, how can I add a bash script to cron? |
| 18:10.58 | tehrabbitt_work | bash /dir/scriptname but it says it can't install |
| 18:11.04 | filePeter | tehrabbitt_work: crontab -e |
| 18:11.24 | tehrabbitt_work | filePeter: Yea I did that, I added the line but no luck |
| 18:11.31 | tehrabbitt_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:12.12 | towerk | I'm installing debian in a kvm host, what's the best way to install wheezy directly, instead of starting with squeeze |
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| 18:13.17 | tehrabbitt_work | any ideas? |
| 18:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | nixfreak: That should be fine then. Remember, linux considers unused ram to be wasted, so it will try to use all of it all the time. |
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| 18:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt_work: I make the scripts executable, make sure they have a hashbang, and then just call the full script path from my crontab or symlink the script to /etc/cron.<whatever> |
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| 18:15.45 | tehrabbitt_work | jhutchins_lt: so just chmod u+x the file and it shoudl work? |
| 18:16.03 | pizza_biz | tehrabbitt_work: if you want to run that every 10 minutes, that would be "*/10 * * * * /root/monitor/bin/uptime". assuming the script is +x and starts with "#!/bin/sh", you don't need to add bash there. also, man 5 crontab for more info. |
| 18:16.05 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt_work: If it runs from the command line. |
| 18:16.19 | tehrabbitt_work | ah okay |
| 18:16.27 | tehrabbitt_work | well, its #!/bin/bash |
| 18:16.28 | tehrabbitt_work | not sh |
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| 18:17.26 | pizza_biz | /bin/sh is usually symlinked to bash on linux anyway. #!/bin/sh is a compatibility thing. |
| 18:17.46 | themill | pizza_biz: err.. no it's not |
| 18:17.47 | debianon9903 | :-) yeah got emacs running in a debian chroot on a 80e chinese mini-netbook |
| 18:17.51 | tensorpudding | no |
| 18:17.56 | themill | dpkg: tell pizza_biz about bashism |
| 18:17.58 | koollman | pizza_biz: it's really something that should not be assumed by scripts :) |
| 18:18.00 | tensorpudding | it's usually using ash, or dash |
| 18:18.05 | tensorpudding | on debian, it's dash |
| 18:18.05 | blubberdiblub | newer debians usually have dash as /bin/sh. you want /bin/bash as shebang if you use bashisms in your script |
| 18:18.06 | tehrabbitt_work | ah lol |
| 18:18.49 | cantido | is there something like apt-build but maintained? |
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| 18:18.58 | tehrabbitt_work | "/tmp/crontab.Z8LFoP/crontab":22: bad hour |
| 18:18.58 | tehrabbitt_work | errors in crontab file, can't install. |
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| 18:19.02 | rose25 | anyone from Finland? |
| 18:19.06 | tehrabbitt_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.17 | tehrabbitt_work | ohhhh wait |
| 18:19.18 | tehrabbitt_work | X_X |
| 18:19.19 | koollman | tehrabbitt_work: */10 . not /10 |
| 18:19.21 | tehrabbitt_work | lol |
| 18:19.33 | koollman | or 10, perhaps. |
| 18:19.37 | koollman | but not /10 anyway :) |
| 18:19.40 | pizza_biz | ah, news to me then (and i just peeked at /bin/sh on lenny). i stand corrected. |
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| 18:22.34 | tehrabbitt_work | hm, what user does cron run as? |
| 18:22.54 | tehrabbitt_work | it gave me an error saying it can't find a file located at ../hostlist.dat |
| 18:22.58 | tehrabbitt_work | but the file exists |
| 18:22.59 | tehrabbitt_work | :-\ |
| 18:23.08 | tehrabbitt_work | and if i run the script manually it works |
| 18:23.39 | blubberdiblub | tehrabbitt_work, use an absolute path |
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| 18:24.18 | tehrabbitt_work | blubberdiblub: ah okay |
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| 18:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | tehrabbitt_work: relative paths. |
| 18:25.37 | Max_213 | hello, small problem with iceweasel when running it from root in user env, i have this error: Error: Failed to connect to X server. |
| 18:25.42 | koollman | tehrabbitt_work: if it's in a user crontab, runs as this user. but it runs from / |
| 18:25.49 | koollman | tehrabbitt_work: not from $HOME |
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| 18:29.19 | themill | Max_213: there are quite a few problems with the situation you describe... |
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| 18:30.45 | abrotman | looks at themill's hat |
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| 18:31.45 | craigevil | Max_213, so stop running iceweasel as root, no reason to do that |
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| 18:32.25 | Max_213 | themill, can you tell me more ? |
| 18:32.29 | abrotman | lots of reasons not to :) |
| 18:32.43 | Max_213 | abrotman, +1 |
| 18:32.57 | themill | Max_213: sure. Don't use browsers as root. Don't use graphical programs at all as root. |
| 18:33.12 | Max_213 | is there no other way ? |
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| 18:33.54 | craigevil | Max_213, why are you wanting to run a web browser as root? |
| 18:33.54 | themill | !wayttd Max_213 |
| 18:33.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Max_213? |
| 18:34.34 | Max_213 | running a script witch has to run as root but display a webpage with results |
| 18:35.02 | qwd | How do I make the pi symbol in Gnome? I'm trying <compose key> <p> <i> as I've found on some site but that doesn't work. Other things like +- works ± |
| 18:35.09 | Max_213 | dont want to load the whole root desktop |
| 18:35.42 | jelly-home | Max_213: run only the part that needs root as root; write output and call browser as user |
| 18:36.13 | valdyn | Max_213: why would you write a script that directly opens a browser? |
| 18:36.30 | Max_213 | there is no option in X or anything that way ? |
| 18:36.47 | Max_213 | not writing script it is script in ettercap |
| 18:37.16 | Max_213 | in the debian main, works this way |
| 18:37.22 | valdyn | Max_213: no it doesnt |
| 18:37.43 | Max_213 | try plugin remote_browser |
| 18:38.18 | Max_213 | it run the following command : REMOTE COMMAND: mozilla -remote openurl(http://google.com) |
| 18:38.46 | Max_213 | ettercap can't be run as user |
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| 18:38.50 | Max_213 | like wireshark |
| 18:39.04 | Max_213 | need root |
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| 18:39.21 | Kobaz | with ntpd or openntpd, anyone know how to make it so that when the time server is not in alarm when starting up? |
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| 18:39.47 | Max_213 | the man page don't help for this part |
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| 18:40.37 | Max_213 | maybe the script is deprecated, and need to be removed ? |
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| 18:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Could you rephrase that? |
| 18:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | Max_213: What is the script, where did you get it, and what are you really trying to do? |
| 18:41.56 | Max_213 | apt-get install ettercap |
| 18:41.57 | Kobaz | if the ntp daemon cannot get a sync with the servers listed, it will be 'in alarm' and clients accessing the time server will not set their time from it |
| 18:42.09 | Max_213 | this is a software in main |
| 18:42.30 | Max_213 | it is working except the plugin named : remote_browser |
| 18:42.41 | Kobaz | i've did so much searching and playing to get ntpd to not throw alarms |
| 18:42.46 | Max_213 | the script cannot be run as user is in /sbin path |
| 18:42.51 | Kobaz | i'll probably wind up writing my own time server |
| 18:43.03 | Kobaz | or just hacking up ntpd to not throw alarms |
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| 18:43.39 | nb-ben | what are kfreebsd images |
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| 18:44.10 | themill | Kobaz: what do you mean by "throw alarm"? |
| 18:44.38 | Kobaz | i guess you've never used ntp |
| 18:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: I believe you can tell it that it's ok to fall back to the internal clock. |
| 18:44.52 | themill | Kobaz: you'd be making a wrong guess then |
| 18:44.59 | Kobaz | rdate: Ignoring NTP server with alarm flag set |
| 18:44.59 | Kobaz | rdate: Unable to get a reasonable time estimate |
| 18:45.56 | themill | Kobaz: rdate != ntpd. Why not use ntpd? |
| 18:45.59 | Kobaz | jhoepken: yeah... attempts I've made at setting that up have failed |
| 18:46.09 | Kobaz | themill: i'm using rdate to query the ntpd server |
| 18:46.49 | themill | so the problem isn't ntpd, it's some other monitoring script that you've got that's calling rdate? |
| 18:47.00 | Kobaz | the problem is ntpd |
| 18:47.06 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: No, it's not. |
| 18:47.10 | Kobaz | yeah it is |
| 18:47.20 | Kobaz | i want the ntpd server to *not* be in alarm if it's using the internal clock |
| 18:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: The problem is rdate. It should have a mechanism to ignore the flag. |
| 18:47.45 | Kobaz | if you say the problem is rdate, then the rfc is also a problem |
| 18:47.56 | themill | Kobaz: the only place you're seeing this error is when you call rdate, yes? |
| 18:48.02 | Kobaz | because clients properly following the rfc will ignore ntp server with the alarm flag |
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| 18:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: The time server is supposed to be in alarm state if it's running on the local clock because PC clocks are not accurate. |
| 18:48.25 | Kobaz | themill: no, all ntp clients refuse to set their time when the ntp server is in alarm |
| 18:48.35 | themill | err... as they should. |
| 18:48.45 | Kobaz | right |
| 18:48.51 | Kobaz | so back to ntpd |
| 18:49.08 | Kobaz | i want it to be an authoritative ntp server when running on the local clock |
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| 18:49.21 | themill | you have to be kidding me |
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| 18:51.04 | Kobaz | why is that a problem |
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| 18:53.44 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Because of the inherent inaccuracy. |
| 18:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: it can be done though. |
| 18:54.03 | Kobaz | which i accept |
| 18:54.10 | themill | if you want clients to trust an untrusted PoS, then configure them to do so. |
| 18:54.44 | Kobaz | or i could just reconfigure the server |
| 18:54.49 | themill | (and if such a configuration option doesn't exist, then it doesn't exist for a reason; I can't say it's the sort of thing that any sane person should look for) |
| 18:54.51 | Kobaz | versus change 100 clients |
| 18:55.23 | themill | or fix the real problem which is the ntp server not having a proper clock source |
| 18:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: GPS modules are cheap these days. |
| 18:55.53 | Kobaz | which means prevent all possible sources of network and power inturruption that may cause the server to lose sync with the upstream clock |
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| 18:56.13 | Kobaz | themill: which is a great use of resources |
| 18:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Doesn't have to be a network source. |
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| 18:56.20 | Kobaz | doesn't have to be |
| 18:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Besides, what the alarm flag says is "I don't have an accurate source", which means that ntp sync is pointless. |
| 18:56.45 | Kobaz | but this is a server in a datacenter where a gps signal most surely will not get received |
| 18:56.58 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: If you sync at different times, you get a different offset from real time, so there's no point. |
| 18:57.24 | Kobaz | i really don't want to debate the issue of whether it's a good idea |
| 18:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: So the GPS receiver goes somewhere else, or you use some other primary source. |
| 18:57.49 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Whether it's a good idea has bearing on whether it's implemented. |
| 18:57.49 | Kobaz | i accept the downsides, and just want to configure it to do what i want |
| 18:58.08 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Guess you'll be studying the ntp documentation then. |
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| 18:58.42 | Kobaz | in other words you could have said you didn't know, and saved the debate |
| 18:59.05 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: In other words it won't take any less time and effort for me to locate the syntax. |
| 18:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: _If_ it's implemented. |
| 18:59.42 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: I would still recommend finding a decent primary source, they're not hard to set up. |
| 18:59.57 | Kobaz | i've done the research previously and didn't get anywhere, so i figured i would try here |
| 19:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: The process of researching primary sources is likely to result in a good answer, possibly even the answer you think you want. |
| 19:00.37 | Kobaz | i know there are simple solutions like having a dongle to give you the time, etc |
| 19:00.45 | jhutchins_lt | Warmer! |
| 19:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Why not do it right? |
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| 19:01.06 | Kobaz | but i don't have to resources to put a dongle on dozens of servers around the country |
| 19:01.29 | Kobaz | i just want to make an authoritative ntp server for when the inet goes down, people's clocks will still sync |
| 19:02.03 | Kobaz | if it's off by a few minutes, i could care less |
| 19:02.17 | Kobaz | and the people using the systems won't care either |
| 19:02.29 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: If you have "dozens of servers around the country" then you not only have the resources, you have an obligation to set it up in a professional manner instead of kludging it. If that's the level of system you're working on, using a PC clock is definitely the wrong thing to do. |
| 19:02.29 | Kobaz | they will care if their clocks are flashing at them because they didn't sync |
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| 19:02.57 | Kobaz | and like i said, i didn't come here to debate |
| 19:03.03 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. |
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| 19:03.18 | jhutchins_lt | There goes the reputation of professional administrators everywhere. |
| 19:03.35 | Kobaz | in your view |
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| 19:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: In the view of anybody who knows squat. |
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| 19:04.06 | Kobaz | according to you |
| 19:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: I can't imagine the mess your systems are in already if that's how you run things. |
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| 19:05.16 | Kobaz | please go interview the universe 'all people that know squat' and let me know the consensus |
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| 19:05.46 | simonlnu | you have a gps or other source on *one* machine, sync the rest to that. done. using puppet to cp over the conf of all the ntp slaves. wow, so hard. |
| 19:06.00 | Kobaz | and when network links go down? |
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| 19:06.13 | Kobaz | seriously, it's not hard to grasp the logic behind what i'm trying to do |
| 19:06.17 | nb-ben | Kobaz: you fix it |
| 19:06.22 | Kobaz | i'm working on it |
| 19:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: You have backup links. |
| 19:06.38 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Seriously, Mark, do the job right in the first place. |
| 19:07.00 | simonlnu | network? it's your job - presumably - that they don't, and you have spare connections. gps isn't networked. |
| 19:07.05 | Kobaz | the right job depends upon the situation, as usual |
| 19:07.06 | nb-ben | you should be thinking more in the lines of let's keep it unfaulty, and if it goes unfaulty how do we make it unfaulty again |
| 19:07.15 | nb-ben | instead of "how do we keep up with a faulty system" |
| 19:07.24 | Kobaz | the world is faulty |
| 19:07.26 | nb-ben | if it goes faulty ** |
| 19:07.46 | Kobaz | some customers have several uplinks, and i've seen many occasions when they are all down |
| 19:07.52 | simonlnu | Kobaz: excuses |
| 19:07.58 | Kobaz | ie: the massive flooding a few months ago |
| 19:08.10 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: probably because somebody implemented a kludge like making the PC clock a primary time source. |
| 19:08.11 | Kobaz | verizon t1s down, megapath mpls is down, and the local dsl was down |
| 19:08.12 | nb-ben | Kobaz: who flooded who and why |
| 19:08.27 | simonlnu | here's me playing my tiny violin |
| 19:08.37 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Somehow I think the problems are going to be worse than time sync if that happens. |
| 19:08.37 | Kobaz | make that unfaulty for me pls, tks |
| 19:08.38 | nb-ben | Kobaz: if your customers are getting flooded you null their ips |
| 19:08.58 | Kobaz | water flooding? |
| 19:09.05 | nb-ben | oh |
| 19:09.06 | Kobaz | you know, the huge rain storms |
| 19:09.08 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: The whole idea of network time sync is that it relies on the NETWORK. If the LAN is down they can't sync either. |
| 19:09.15 | Kobaz | the lan was up and fine |
| 19:09.21 | Kobaz | these places have generators |
| 19:09.28 | Kobaz | anyway, back to doing something productive |
| 19:09.36 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: They they can afford a primary time source if it's so critical. |
| 19:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Seriously, that's where you'll find your answer anyway. |
| 19:09.53 | Kobaz | i'm just giving you reasons why it's perfectly legitimate to sync locally |
| 19:10.08 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Of course it is - if you have a primary time source. |
| 19:10.14 | Kobaz | it's not critical, it's just needless tech support when people complain their time is wrong |
| 19:10.17 | Kobaz | but the server time is right |
| 19:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: You wouldn't set one of these places up with a backup generator and everything and no network switch. it's just another piece of required equipment. |
| 19:10.53 | Kobaz | and if the server time was wrong for some reason.. point to the web interface and say, here... change it |
| 19:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: If time sync is a requirement, a primary source is a requirement, qed. |
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| 19:11.31 | Kobaz | anyway... i'll be back when you guys stop fighting |
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| 19:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: If that were accurate enough, you wouldn't need ntp in the first place. |
| 19:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Everybody look at the clock on the wall instead! |
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| 19:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Just out of curiosity, are you doing this a s a private consultant or working for a larger company? |
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| 19:14.12 | abrotman | why would it matter? |
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| 19:25.32 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/radioclock.html |
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| 19:29.37 | bookmark | hi |
| 19:30.17 | abrotman | d'day |
| 19:30.20 | abrotman | g'day .. |
| 19:30.37 | abrotman | isn't sure if it's the keyboard, the layout .. or what .. but he mistypes everything now |
| 19:32.05 | bookmark | does anyone know if there is some way to install debian 6.0.3 so there is no gui? |
| 19:32.41 | erawfish_ | of course there is. the installer is console based and you are asked if you want to install Xorg at the end. don't isntall it: no GUI |
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| 19:34.19 | Kobaz | found it |
| 19:34.21 | Kobaz | http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/OrphanMode |
| 19:34.27 | Kobaz | works perectly |
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| 19:35.00 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-refclk.htm |
| 19:35.17 | Kobaz | the point is... okay. I do have the resources to have an highly accurate time source installed at each location, but these servers do not need accurate time |
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| 19:35.25 | Kobaz | and why spend money on a hardware solution when a software solution will do |
| 19:35.58 | Kobaz | and the software solution, if doable, would take a very very small fraction of the time to deploy versus the 'proper' hardware solution, which isn't needed anyway since highly accurate time is not a requirement |
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| 19:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/receiverlist.cfm |
| 19:36.22 | Kobaz | i would totally agree that yes, the best way is to throw a gps or some accurate time source and pull off of that |
| 19:36.35 | Kobaz | if you did indeed need highly accurate time |
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| 19:36.46 | gnarface | so is there a program like xmag but in realtime or should i pipe ffmpeg to mplayer or something? |
| 19:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | Which would be the only reason for using ntp in the first place. |
| 19:37.30 | Kobaz | not necessarily |
| 19:37.36 | Bushmills | gnarface: xzoom |
| 19:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: Which monitoring system do you use? Nagios? |
| 19:37.48 | Kobaz | you can use ntp to sync clocks, it doesn't necessarily *have* to be highly accurate |
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| 19:38.09 | Kobaz | yeah we use nagios |
| 19:38.23 | Bushmills | also compiz has screen zooming features |
| 19:38.43 | Kobaz | it just so happens that the main use of ntp is to sync to highly accurate clocks |
| 19:38.48 | Kobaz | but it doesn't mean that's the *only* use for it |
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| 19:38.58 | bvalek2 | what have i done wrong? |
| 19:39.01 | jaakkos | i wonder why iptraf shows dramatically incorrect values... saturated 10Mbit shows 310 kB/s while iftop -B shows 1.12 MB/s which is correct |
| 19:39.02 | bvalek2 | W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 86.59.118.148 80] |
| 19:39.16 | jhutchins_lt | It's more accurate to use a quartz wristwatch and set the time once a week at each workstation than to use ntp and an orphan server. |
| 19:39.39 | Kobaz | it' |
| 19:40.07 | blubberdiblub | chrony can be used to set it's time from wrist watches and the like |
| 19:40.16 | Kobaz | it's a management issue to solve. why take your wristwatch to n workstations when you can take your wristwatch to exactly one server, and set it there |
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| 19:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: If you were to use ntpd on each workstation, the drift file would keep the systems closer to accurate time in the event of loss of network timeservers. |
| 19:40.27 | Kobaz | why force it on yourself to do more work than what's needed |
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| 19:40.51 | abrotman | bvalek2: wheezy doesn't have backports |
| 19:40.54 | Kobaz | jhoepken: yeah it's not really a matter of drift |
| 19:41.43 | abrotman | assuming a constant drift .. |
| 19:41.48 | Kobaz | jhutchins_lt: ^.. it's more like a device gets rebooted or whatever and now has 12:00 flashing or whatever time it had previously and i get calls complaining what happened to the time |
| 19:41.50 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: wheezy has no backports. what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:42.28 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: what you told me to do. i think i misunderstood the naming convention then. i must add squeeze-backports, right? |
| 19:43.13 | Kobaz | or a site has a power failure and when powering back on, the ntp server takes an hour to be happy with the sync before it clears the alarm flag |
| 19:43.31 | Kobaz | there's a whole bunch of reasons why orphan mode will help me |
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| 19:44.12 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: yes. which drivers do you want? fglrx or radeon? proprietary or free? |
| 19:44.30 | bvalek2 | radeon, propietary |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | radeon are free .. fglrx are proprietary |
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| 19:45.02 | bvalek2 | or any driver, that helps to set up the screen properly. my visual cortex starts to adjust already, not good, not good... |
| 19:45.03 | kW | Hello! How can I automatically break package dependencies by setting /etc/apt/preferences? I do not want "logrotate" do be installed, that's why its Pin-Priority is at "-100". However, in this case, "postgresql" (version 9.1) cannot be installed, because it depends on "postgresql-common", which apparently depends on "logrotate". |
| 19:45.22 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: then make up your mind |
| 19:45.30 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: radeon then |
| 19:45.32 | abrotman | kW: why wouldn't you want logrotate installed ? |
| 19:45.56 | kW | abrotman: because the logrotate package creates data loss |
| 19:46.05 | abrotman | it does not |
| 19:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | kW: no it doesn't. |
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| 19:46.18 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: http://backports-master.debian.org/ follow the instructions page |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | kW: try again .. it doesn't lose data .. so what is the real reason ? |
| 19:46.32 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: ok, thanks |
| 19:46.49 | Kobaz | abrotman: when it rotates past the rotation lifetime configured, the old stuff is lost |
| 19:47.00 | kW | abrotman: well, when having logrotate just installed and not doing anything else (e.g. changing configuration files), usually after 4 weeks, most log files are gone, aren't they? |
| 19:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | In fact, logrotate often prevents data loss by keeping the hard disk from filling up with logs. |
| 19:47.31 | Kobaz | kW: reconfigure logrotate to keep logs around longer... trust me you don't want to *not* install logrotate |
| 19:47.32 | abrotman | kW: that's not data loss .. that's loss of logs .. but anyway .. you can set logrotate not to rotate logs . or to keep 100s of log files |
| 19:47.34 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Depends on how you configure it. If certain logs are important to you, keep them longer. |
| 19:47.39 | erawfish_ | kW: it's easy to increase the time. and you cannot increase it to infinity or the harddisk fills up with old, useless logs |
| 19:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | kW: You're doing backups more than once every four weeks anyway if you're concerned about data loss, just back up the log files. |
| 19:48.06 | mocra | |
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| 19:48.08 | abrotman | yeah .. five people needed to tell him that ... |
| 19:48.15 | Kobaz | kW: you can set it to keep a year's worth of logs if you want... do you really care what happened a year ago? |
| 19:48.19 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 19:48.34 | abrotman | Kobaz: i know someone who has apache logs for like five years |
| 19:48.37 | mocra | sorry |
| 19:48.38 | erawfish_ | abrotman: you've seen how well Kobaz responded to common sense. so this time, maybe quantity helps |
| 19:48.43 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: can you tell me, what the package of the radeon driver is called? backporting firmware-linux-nonfree apparently does nothing |
| 19:48.49 | abrotman | erawfish_: you also answered .. |
| 19:48.59 | kW | Well, please provide me a bash-one-liner which (1) makes logrotate install _and_ (2) makes logrotate not delete anything... (the first one is easy...) |
| 19:49.06 | erawfish_ | abrotman: of course. I'm an optimist! |
| 19:49.13 | abrotman | and i didn't see kobaz's original qusetion .. so i can't say a word about his senses |
| 19:49.18 | Kobaz | erawfish_: here's the thing... if he wanted to turn off logrotate... i would help him |
| 19:49.20 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: I told you to install xorg from the backports repo |
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| 19:49.45 | abrotman | kW: you don't .. you configure it .. see /etc/logrotate.d/postgresql or whatever .. read the man pages .. have it store 52 logs and rotate them weekly |
| 19:49.48 | Kobaz | erawfish_: no matter how stupid i thought it was... if that's what he really wanted to do, despite advice otherwise... i would assist |
| 19:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Second one's easy too. |
| 19:49.57 | astartoth | hi all, why is my gnome-power-manager showing two batteries instead of one? |
| 19:49.59 | jhutchins_lt | 0--------------] |
| 19:50.00 | astartoth | is it a bug? |
| 19:50.03 | jhutchins_lt | \\\\\ |
| 19:50.05 | abrotman | astartoth: you're lucky? |
| 19:50.17 | astartoth | :-) |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman | secret battey! |
| 19:50.26 | erawfish_ | astartoth: is your battery seen as BAT1 maybe? |
| 19:50.29 | abrotman | battery ... |
| 19:50.33 | astartoth | it is |
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| 19:50.48 | erawfish_ | and do files for BAT0 exist too? are they showing any charge? |
| 19:50.51 | jhutchins_lt | How does the blasted cat manage to get the enter key so often? |
| 19:51.08 | abrotman | you get a lot of lap dances from your cat? |
| 19:51.23 | Kobaz | jhutchins_lt, erawfish_... see my point? |
| 19:51.27 | astartoth | how can i check if files for BAT0 exist? |
| 19:51.28 | astartoth | under proc? |
| 19:51.29 | kW | Well, I have nagios which tells me if a filesystem is about to fill up, and I can then decide, and if that ever happens, I can decide then... But having to check for every single entry in /etc/logrotate.d just because some package was installed is just not scaleable... |
| 19:51.49 | abrotman | Kobaz: what was your original question? how to keep an ntpd running without the abliilty to reach the internet? |
| 19:51.50 | astartoth | /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1 |
| 19:51.54 | Kobaz | instead of bashing him over the head telling him how bad not rotating logs is... i say it's bad idea, you shouldn't do it... but if you *really want to*, you can turn it off |
| 19:51.56 | astartoth | output from upower -e |
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| 19:52.28 | Kobaz | abrotman: yeah, pretty much... how to keep the time sever offering authoritative time, without an inet connection, and without a gps receiver/etc |
| 19:52.30 | kW | jhutchins_lt: well, please tell me, how can I properly deactivate logrotate (which even survives package upgrades)? |
| 19:52.50 | nkuttler | kW: see /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 19:52.53 | astartoth | under /proc/acpi/battery/ I only have BAT1 |
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| 19:53.01 | abrotman | Kobaz: FWIW .. i think that's a reasonable request .. for instance, HPC might only care that all node clocks are in sync, not actually set to a rational time :) |
| 19:53.23 | vooze | Hey guys (Server question) I get this message when i check /var/log/mail.log: postfix/policyd-weight[1707]: decided action=550 Mail appeared to be SPAM or forged. ---- Its a simple mail from Steam/Valve and its the only thing being blocked.. postgrey is even disabled.. how can i make the mail come though? |
| 19:53.26 | jhutchins_lt | kW: I don't think you should do that. I think you should figure out how to intelligently save the logs you actually need, and implement a backup strategy. |
| 19:53.46 | jhutchins_lt | kW: backup and archiving strategy. |
| 19:53.57 | Kobaz | kW: you can remove logrotate from the cron |
| 19:53.58 | nkuttler | kW: yeah, i prefer to simply make backups of logs as well |
| 19:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Otherwise you WILL fill up the hard disk and you WILL loose data. |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | kW: alternately .. you could use a remote logging system that has a different log rotation .. then having logrotate on the postgres system wouldn't matter |
| 19:54.17 | gele | an incremental backup would do the trick, if you keep old versions around. |
| 19:54.25 | Kobaz | kW: what's your main concern with having logrotate turned on |
| 19:54.33 | abrotman | Kobaz: losing old logs |
| 19:54.43 | Kobaz | kW: why is it a problem to remove old log files... and another question... how old do you want to keep your files |
| 19:54.55 | Kobaz | one year... two years? 5 years? |
| 19:55.18 | nkuttler | Kobaz: because you might found out about the problem/exploit after the logs have been deleted |
| 19:55.22 | kW | jhutchins_lt: in practice, filling up the harddisk due to log files does happen much rarer than loosing data due to logrotate... |
| 19:55.33 | Kobaz | eventually the logs are going to not be useful |
| 19:55.34 | nkuttler | s/found/find/ |
| 19:55.39 | simonlnu | vooze: tell steam to not send spammy emails |
| 19:55.40 | kW | nkuttler: that's one example |
| 19:55.43 | Kobaz | kW: what's the oldest information you want to keep? |
| 19:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | kW: No, that's why logrotate is enabled by default with a 1 month retention. |
| 19:56.12 | Kobaz | abrotman: some logs i keep 5 years, some i keep two weeks.. but yeah, it depends |
| 19:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | kW: What "data" is it you need to retain? How much space do your logfiles grow by each day? |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | for most apps .. not all (regarding 1 month) |
| 19:56.29 | abrotman | remote syslog wins! |
| 19:56.31 | kW | jhutchins_lt: in practice, filling up the harddisk due to log files does happen much rarer (e.g. after 5 years or 1000 years, depending on system and filesystem size) than loosing data due to logrotate (e.g. after 4 weeks) |
| 19:56.36 | jhutchins_lt | kW: If you don't run logrotate, the log file size will grow until it reaches the filesystem limit, then logging will stop. |
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| 19:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Log file can fill a disk in weeks or months. |
| 19:56.49 | abrotman | then it doesn't make a bit of difference what the local package installs |
| 19:56.54 | Kobaz | kW: reconfigure logrotate to suit your needs. it will survive upgrades |
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| 19:56.56 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: or minutes |
| 19:57.09 | Kobaz | kW: you haven't answered the important question |
| 19:57.13 | kW | jhutchins_lt: well, I see it like John Maynard Keynes: In the long run, log files will fill up all disk, but in the long run, we are all dead. |
| 19:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Do you make regular backups? |
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| 19:57.17 | Kobaz | kW: what's the oldest data you want to keep? |
| 19:57.28 | Kobaz | if you tell me 10 years, 20 years.. that's fine too |
| 19:57.33 | Kobaz | give me a number |
| 19:57.45 | erawfish_ | kW: and for a single command to disable postgres logging: rm /etc/logrotate.d/postgresql* and you're done. no upgrade will recreate that file |
| 19:57.46 | abrotman | .... remote syslog ... |
| 19:57.55 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Believe me, I've rescued multiple systems that had failed due to log files filling the disk, and I've had to fix log files that were too big to read or write to as well. |
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| 19:58.08 | abrotman | erawfish_: until he goes from 9.0 to 9.1 and it's a new .conffile list? |
| 19:58.11 | Kobaz | echo "" > /var/log/biglogfile |
| 19:58.18 | kW | Kobaz: well, I do not know, it depends on application and system (sometimes, I need to reconstruct what has happened some months ago, e.g. whether some system was working or not, or whether I (should) have received a fax, or not) |
| 19:58.24 | Kobaz | rm -rf /etc/logrotate.d |
| 19:58.28 | Kobaz | touch /etc/logrotate.d |
| 19:58.35 | Kobaz | chattr +i /etc/logrotate.d |
| 19:58.36 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Do you not have backups? |
| 19:59.02 | Kobaz | some scripts might fail horribly, but you'll never have another logrotate config dumped in |
| 19:59.04 | abrotman | jesus .. you people are awful |
| 19:59.06 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: That is not an intelligent approach. |
| 19:59.42 | Kobaz | kW: do you think you'll need to get data from 5 years ago? |
| 19:59.46 | kW | jhutchins_lt: not for that purpose |
| 19:59.49 | abrotman | Kobaz: please stop .. |
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| 20:00.00 | Kobaz | i'm trying to find the bounds |
| 20:00.09 | abrotman | kW: what is wrong with a remote syslog that retains all logs while the local package/logrotate does whatever it wants ? |
| 20:00.17 | kW | Kobaz: has happened once or twice to me, but it is unlikely in general |
| 20:00.34 | abrotman | Kobaz: i know .. but i'm sure kW is capable of reading a man page and configuring a logrotate conf file |
| 20:00.37 | simonlnu | wtf *reading scrollback* |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | using chattr is a really really bad idea .. and will break package installatoins |
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| 20:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | kW: The point here is that if you don't know system administration well enough to configure logrotate to do what you want it to do, you shold probably listen to people who do and not disable it. |
| 20:01.35 | Kobaz | kW: you have two main options.... either you pick a storage cutoff, or you archive off logs off the machine every so often... which other people mentioned |
| 20:01.35 | kW | abrotman: well, most servers are on a more or less "public" LAN (e.g. at a hosting company), and I'd not like to send log messages over the network, at least unencrypted (and then there is the issue of network outages) |
| 20:01.48 | Kobaz | kW: you you do not logrotate, you will eventually fill your drive |
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| 20:01.56 | abrotman | kW: you'd have to do some reading .. i'm sure there are ways around that |
| 20:02.04 | kW | Kobaz: yes, but this does not happen in practice, that's why I'm not concerned |
| 20:02.11 | ompaul | kW: care to write your business case, include notes on your backups, and disk usage in http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_lt | kW: Before you fill the drive you will create a log file too big to handle. |
| 20:02.26 | Kobaz | depends on the file system |
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| 20:02.32 | abrotman | this is just dumb .. you kids have fun |
| 20:02.36 | Kobaz | heh |
| 20:02.44 | abrotman | you're assuming he's an idiot .. |
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| 20:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | Imagine searching an apache log for a system that gets 10,000 hits per hour and is five years long. |
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| 20:02.55 | abrotman | he just asked how to get around it .. not half the bullshit you're feeding him |
| 20:03.02 | kW | abrotman: well, as far as I know (this may be some years old), rsyslog uses unencrypted UDP |
| 20:03.11 | Kobaz | abrotman: i'm the only one trying to dig into his needs |
| 20:03.50 | abrotman | kW: research .. otherwise .. man logrotate.conf .. change the values .. done .. if that's not good enough .. rsync over ssh to pull old logs to a central system .. |
| 20:03.59 | abrotman | end of conversation |
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| 20:04.32 | kW | Well, how can I ensure that logrotate.conf is never overwritten (e.g. by a new version of logrotate)? |
| 20:04.42 | Kobaz | chattr +i |
| 20:04.43 | nkuttler | kW: debian doesn't do that without asking |
| 20:04.45 | bookmark | what the hell was squeeze in toystory anyway? |
| 20:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | bookmark: Three eyed aliens. |
| 20:05.01 | Kobaz | kW: but yeah, if you have local changes, debian upgrades will ask |
| 20:05.05 | bookmark | ah |
| 20:05.08 | lgp171188 | Hi, I am trying to install and setup tinydns using the dbndns package in debian. I created users tinydns and dnslog for creating a tinydns service using tinydns-conf program. But the service doesn't start and I get a "multilog: fatal: unable to lock directory ./main: access denied?" error. What could be wrong here? |
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| 20:06.10 | kW | nkuttler: well, when having a dozen of servers, I need to have a debian system which does not ask on upgrade |
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| 20:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | There's that magic number again. Dozens and dozens of servers. |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | kW: how often do you update your core services ? |
| 20:07.01 | bookmark | because pushing enter 200 times is beyond your job decriptiopn |
| 20:07.09 | nkuttler | if you have so many boxes... yeah, centralize your logging |
| 20:07.14 | abrotman | kW: anyway .. there are ways around that also .. but really ... rsync over ssh might be the better option |
| 20:07.54 | kW | nkuttler: I have that many boxes, but they are scattered over the continent (to provide resilience against network outages), so centralizing is not that easy (exactly due to these outages) |
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| 20:08.02 | Kobaz | kW: use a centralized deployment/upgrade system |
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| 20:08.19 | kW | Kobaz: can you recommend one? |
| 20:08.21 | nkuttler | well like i already said, i just make backups of logs |
| 20:08.24 | mehrdadii | lxsameer: hiiiiiiiiii |
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| 20:09.21 | Kobaz | maybe something like cfengine |
| 20:09.34 | Kobaz | i don't use a mainstream one, we wrote our own |
| 20:09.45 | Kobaz | so i can't point to one specifically |
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| 20:10.06 | kW | abrotman: update: well, there is a script which basically changes the system as it existed before into as system which fulfills certain assumptions, this script may run multiple times a day or may not run for some months. that script is changed quite often |
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| 20:11.03 | kW | Kobaz: well, I wrote my own, too, and one assumption to be made is "there is no data loss (including log file loss) unless intended") |
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| 20:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | I use bash for loops and ssh from the command line. |
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| 20:13.02 | ipo | hi |
| 20:13.23 | ipo | if I want to create OS , which language is better for that? |
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| 20:14.46 | ulgo | can someone tell me which config file is used by grub2 as a default installation partition? |
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| 20:14.50 | abrotman | an operating system? from scratch ? |
| 20:15.14 | hikenboot | hello is there a way to generate a .config file from an existing kernel that does not have one on the system |
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| 20:15.31 | ipo | abrotman, No , new OS |
| 20:15.35 | ipo | from the base |
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| 20:16.23 | mehrdadii | what's my hardware????????? |
| 20:16.26 | mehrdadii | how?????? |
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| 20:16.54 | mehrdadii | what's my wireless card? |
| 20:16.58 | mehrdadii | how????????? |
| 20:17.08 | mehrdadii | helppppppppppp meeeeeeeeee |
| 20:17.12 | ipo | mehrdadii, what's happend man? |
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| 20:17.28 | ompaul | !tell mehrdadii about wire;ess |
| 20:17.32 | ompaul | !tell mehrdadii about wireless |
| 20:17.36 | tensorpudding | ipo, most OS still being used were written in C |
| 20:17.48 | mehrdadii | ompaul: ok |
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| 20:17.52 | ompaul | mehrdadii: reay |
| 20:17.59 | ipo | tensorpudding, why not c++? |
| 20:18.06 | mehrdadii | ompaul: my firmware is break up |
| 20:18.09 | ompaul | mehrdadii: read the message from dpkg |
| 20:18.28 | mehrdadii | ompaul: i dont undestand |
| 20:18.34 | mehrdadii | ompaul: tell again |
| 20:18.45 | ompaul | mehrdadii: see dpkg's message |
| 20:18.45 | tensorpudding | it's generally accepted that C++ is a poor language for the job |
| 20:18.52 | mehrdadii | ompaul:how? |
| 20:19.01 | ompaul | mehrdadii: look at your screen |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | ipo: use hte one you know |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | mehrdadii: which OS do you have? |
| 20:19.11 | ompaul | you will dpkg somewhere on it |
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| 20:19.24 | mehrdadii | ompaul: debian 6.0.2 |
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| 20:19.36 | mehrdadii | ompaul: squeez ver |
| 20:19.57 | hikenboot | anyone ?> |
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| 20:20.12 | ompaul | mehrdadii: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:20.12 | mehrdadii | abrotman: debian 6.0.2 sqz |
| 20:20.14 | abrotman | hikenboot: how does it not having one ? |
| 20:20.16 | abrotman | have one |
| 20:20.28 | hikenboot | the person said there was no config file uder /boot/ |
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| 20:20.33 | abrotman | hikenboot: there isn't one in /boot or /proc/ ? |
| 20:20.38 | hikenboot | no |
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| 20:20.56 | erawfish_ | hikenboot: which kernel is it? uname -r |
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| 20:21.05 | hikenboot | I just wanted to help the person it appears to be a custom gentoo kernel running on debian |
| 20:21.12 | mehrdadii | ompaul: thnx |
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| 20:21.27 | hikenboot | that was installed by their ISP apparently |
| 20:21.33 | ipo | abrotman, have any good refrences about that? |
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| 20:21.46 | hikenboot | they wanted to put it in a VM so they need the kernel headers and they are no where to be found |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | ipo: no .. and this isn't the channel for that |
| 20:21.59 | erawfish_ | hikenboot: ask gentoo people what their kernel emerge thing leaves behind as config info. debian uses /boot/config*, maybe gentoo does it similarly. they would know best |
| 20:22.00 | Marcocanc | can someone help me setting up virtual proftpd users on a server with no root access? (proftpd is already installed) |
| 20:22.10 | kW | Kobaz: will apt-get or dpkg succeed if it cannot write a file because a directory in its path is made a file? |
| 20:22.11 | ompaul | hikenboot: I'd be putting them in touch with their isp for that |
| 20:22.20 | abrotman | kW: i told you it would fail already .. |
| 20:22.27 | raven | how to rescue deleted files on an encrypted ext3 volume? |
| 20:22.30 | abrotman | kW: that's why we said Kobaz was giving bad advice |
| 20:22.34 | erawfish_ | Marcocanc: if you have no root access then you cannot start proftpd |
| 20:22.43 | hikenboot | thats what someone else said...but I figured that maybe there was a way to generate a config so they could get away from the custom kernel |
| 20:22.45 | ipo | abrotman, what is hte? |
| 20:22.55 | erawfish_ | !tell raven about undelete |
| 20:23.05 | mehrdadii | raven: rm -rf [filename] |
| 20:23.09 | abrotman | ipo: this is not the channel for discussing writing your own OS |
| 20:23.10 | Marcocanc | erawfish: proftpd is already running |
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| 20:23.27 | abrotman | mehrdadii: that's not remotely funny |
| 20:23.32 | kW | abrotman: well, then I have no answer to (1) "How can I explicitly break a package dependency such that "a depends on b" does not hold anymore?" as well as to (2) "How can I disable logrotate once and for all on a given system?" |
| 20:23.37 | ipo | abrotman, I wanna guide! |
| 20:23.45 | hikenboot | so then i take it there is no way to generate a config from just the kernel? |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | kW: you could uh .. make the logrotate cron job not run |
| 20:24.10 | ipo | abrotman, which language is better? c or c++? need assembly ? |
| 20:24.17 | abrotman | ipo: ask ##c |
| 20:24.29 | dTal | C is better, rah rah C |
| 20:24.42 | ipo | dTal, thanks |
| 20:24.47 | ipo | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:24.56 | ipo | tensorpudding, thansk |
| 20:24.56 | erawfish_ | ipo: this is not a channel for creating a new OS, this is a channel for supporting debian only. please ask elsewhere |
| 20:25.01 | ipo | tensorpudding, thanks |
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| 20:25.16 | erawfish_ | Marcocanc: stay in channel, don't use PMs |
| 20:25.28 | ipo | erawfish_, ok , sorry! |
| 20:26.16 | kW | abrotman: I considered this, by overwriting /etc/cron.daily/logrotate however I'm not sure how reliable this is (and then I also have the race condition between installing logrotate and overwriting that file) |
| 20:26.30 | Marcocanc | erawfish: ok so proftpd is already running, and the guys from my hosting site say it's possible but they don't give support for it |
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| 20:27.15 | erawfish_ | Marcocanc: you cannot do it without root access. you will have to edit files a normal user can't access, you will need to restart proftpd anotehr thing a normal user can't do, etc |
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| 20:27.27 | abrotman | kW: logrotate doesn't run immediately AFAIK |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | !tell kw about equivs |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | kW: equivs is what you're asking about .. good luck |
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| 20:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | He's still trying to drive a nail with a fish because hammers are dangerous. |
| 20:28.21 | erawfish_ | kW: you can do 1) with equivs, but when you do, you will almost certainly break your debian |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | probably not .. which apps depend on lorotate for functionality as opposed to just rotating logs? |
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| 20:28.53 | jajajajaj | 612 |
| 20:28.58 | abrotman | how many call logrotate directly ? |
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| 20:29.04 | abrotman | probably not .. which apps depend on lorotate for functionality as opposed to just rotating logs? |
| 20:29.09 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 20:29.13 | Marcocanc | erawfish_: on their website it says "can even run 100% non-root, with its built-in chroot() emulation and virtual accounts" |
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| 20:29.55 | erawfish_ | Marcocanc: a ftp server needs to listen on port 21. only root can open a port <1024 |
| 20:29.55 | jajajajaj | 298101 |
| 20:29.57 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: There's a difference between "running" and "installing". |
| 20:30.08 | erawfish_ | jajajajaj: do you have a debian problem? |
| 20:30.18 | kW | erawfish_: in which way would I break it? |
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| 20:30.45 | Marcocanc | here's what the owner of the hosting site said: You're welcome to run an ftp daemon on your slot, but we cannot support the set up and it would have to be configured to listen on ports > 1024 |
| 20:30.52 | abrotman | i don't think using equivs on logrotate would break .. |
| 20:31.30 | Marcocanc | and they also said: Others have succeeded at running proftpd on their account (similar to what you want) and have done so. It's already installed and ready to go as it's what we use for regular FTP. |
| 20:31.59 | erawfish_ | Marcocanc: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:32.15 | Marcocanc | shall I enter that in SSH? |
| 20:32.19 | erawfish_ | yes |
| 20:33.24 | Marcocanc | it gives me: ii libc6 2.7-18lenny7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:36.28 | cosming | hi all |
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| 20:36.55 | cosming | what do yuo guys think about ubuntu server lts? |
| 20:37.04 | ohm | Hi guys. Any idea how I can remove this freaking annoying banner on SSH-server? (given that I tried with /etc/issue and DebianBanner no) |
| 20:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | cosming: It's not debian. |
| 20:37.14 | abrotman | cosming: this is #debian .. we'd onl yknow about Debian |
| 20:37.20 | abrotman | !motd |
| 20:37.23 | dpkg | methinks motd is the Message Of The Day. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems and is updated each boot. See "man 5 motd" and "man 5 motd.tail" for further information. Make /etc/motd a symlink to some other file to disable autogeneration. Squeeze users, see also Debian bug #541455. |
| 20:37.23 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 20:37.32 | cosming | :) |
| 20:37.58 | Bushmills | or /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net |
| 20:38.09 | ohm | sweet Jesus |
| 20:38.15 | ohm | Bushmills > I said no already. |
| 20:38.20 | ohm | abrotman > Seems to be the one. |
| 20:38.24 | cosming | i want to decide witchone to put on my fresh vps: debian or ubuntu server lts |
| 20:38.34 | cosming | django postgres ... |
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| 20:38.51 | Bushmills | ohm, not to issue.net |
| 20:38.52 | jhutchins_lt | cosming: If you decide to use Debian feel free to ask support questions here. |
| 20:39.00 | cosming | ok |
| 20:39.04 | cosming | thanks |
| 20:39.16 | ohm | Thanks abrotman |
| 20:39.17 | Marcocanc | erawfish_: ii libc6 2.7-18lenny7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:39.19 | abrotman | cosming: you can really just try them both |
| 20:39.20 | ohm | That was it. |
| 20:39.29 | abrotman | cosming: decide which is better for you |
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| 20:39.33 | cosming | I did |
| 20:39.37 | cosming | hard to decide |
| 20:39.38 | cosming | :D |
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| 20:39.52 | babilen | cosming: Just use Debian and be happy ;) |
| 20:39.52 | nkuttler | isn't ubuntu server based on testing as well? not exactly what i'd put on a server.. |
| 20:40.06 | cosming | yes |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | nkuttler: it will be .. not yet .. |
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| 20:40.24 | rypervenche | cosming: I agree. Use Debian for servers. :P |
| 20:40.29 | nkuttler | abrotman: aw.. i see... |
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| 20:40.58 | jhutchins_lt | cosming: Ubuntu is developed as a desktop distribution aimed at low-end users. |
| 20:41.17 | abrotman | now back to Debian. .. |
| 20:41.20 | cosming | :D |
| 20:41.33 | cosming | thanks for the input |
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| 20:42.54 | Bushmills | cosming: did you ask in #ubuntu as well, and what was their recommendation? |
| 20:43.36 | cosming | :D |
| 20:43.42 | cosming | ubuntu of course |
| 20:43.54 | Bushmills | so how does it help you to ask in the resp. channels? |
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| 20:44.39 | Bushmills | how about asking on #slackware, see what they recommend? |
| 20:44.59 | Dulak | The thing about ubuntu on the server is, they love to throw away proven stuff and go with new things. That's just not acceptable for a stable server. |
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| 20:45.30 | smhar_ | how to logout from a user account in X using the console (or a keyboard shortcut) |
| 20:45.35 | babilen | cosming: I would rather suggest to ask *real* questions about your planned setup. For examples: services, time the services have to run unchanged, life-time of the machine, ... |
| 20:46.03 | makro_ | Hello. I tried tu use dyndns on a recently updated squeeze, german language. dyndns output is: dyndns.GetIpAddress: [EXIT] Can't read IP address. Please turn on --debug. at /usr/bin/dyndns line 4065. |
| 20:46.24 | yann2 | hello! Using logrotate, can I specify both "Weekly" to rotate weekly, AND size 10G, to rotate automatically if the log file get over 10G? also: is it safe to remove the delaycompress for apache logs? people here http://serverfault.com/questions/151014/apache2-and-logrotate-delaycompress-needed couldn't really agree :) |
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| 20:47.02 | makro_ | turning on debus outputs are like ifconfig, and the interesting line: dyndns.IpAddressGenericParser: [WARN] Can't read IP '(?sm)inet[ \t]+[ \t]*(\d[\d.]+)' lines => [eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Hardware Adresse |
| 20:47.20 | makro_ | while 'Adresse' is a part of the german Ifconfig Output |
| 20:47.24 | cosming | babilen: I wanna use postgresql, apche2 |
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| 20:47.39 | cosming | wsgi (for python |
| 20:47.40 | Best3r | i need a small script that adds <div class="error918">Warning, contact x@mailaddress.com before proceeding</div> to all index.html and other index.* files in a dir |
| 20:47.48 | Best3r | anybody can point me in rigth direction on how i best do this? |
| 20:47.55 | nkuttler | cosming: debian can do that just fine |
| 20:48.00 | Dulak | yann2: the delaycompress thing depends more on whether you process the log before compression or not rather than anything being acceptable. |
| 20:48.10 | nkuttler | Best3r: man sed |
| 20:48.31 | babilen | cosming: No problem there -- IMHO the only reason *I* would personally consider to run Ubuntu LTS releases are if it is of uttermost importance that the release is supported for 5 years. Apart from that I would always use Debian. |
| 20:48.59 | cosming | that is the reason is temting for me |
| 20:49.00 | cosming | :D |
| 20:49.04 | yann2 | Dulak, default debian conf, doing a postrotate apache reload |
| 20:49.50 | Hydroxide | babilen: even that reason only makes sense if you don't depend on software outside of main - ubuntu doesn't support its universe stuff nearly as well/long as I understand it, while debian supports everything in its vastly larger main archive (including much of ubuntu universe) for its full duration |
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| 20:50.22 | makro_ | It seems to me, that dyndns is trying to extract the local ip address out of the ifconfig output and faild. honestly: It does not make much sense to me. Any ideas on what I'm making wrong? |
| 20:51.10 | babilen | Hydroxide: Thanks, that is a valuable addition. But that is the only reason (coupled maybe with support contracts) that make LTS releases appealing. But meh, this is really getting off-topic. |
| 20:51.15 | nkuttler | makro_: well use --debug like suggested |
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| 20:51.40 | makro_ | nkuttler, I did so and have alöready written about the result... |
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| 20:52.03 | mocra | in the man page of chattr they say "huge file attribut" you just can read, not set - how big has a file to be, to "get" the huge-attribut? |
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| 20:52.13 | Hydroxide | babilen: sure. back on topic, there are also debian support contracts available, including from such large names as HP (for ProLiant servers) and every smaller size of company |
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| 20:52.28 | babilen | cosming: Please also note that Debian's security team is currently discussing longer support cycles as well, but those haven't been implemented yet. Debian is certainly not a bad choice, but it is your decision. You might want to try the alternatives first before you commit though. |
| 20:52.38 | nkuttler | makro_: looks like dyndns is parsing the output of ifconfig, right. file a grave or serious bug or something and check if you can't pass the ip manually |
| 20:53.13 | Hydroxide | cosming: also notice the last few things I said - it's quite surprising how much the scope of support committments vary across distros/OSes in ways other than duration |
| 20:53.27 | makro_ | nkuttler, ifconfig does only give the local ip in the output. What the heck should dyndns use my local ip for? |
| 20:53.31 | nkuttler | makro_: honestly, i wouldn't use an app that behaves in such a way. it sounds like it was designed very badly from the ground up |
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| 20:53.56 | cosming | I was trying to get this |
| 20:54.07 | makro_ | well, it's shipped with the distribution. In many cases the debian packets are well chosen |
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| 20:54.23 | cosming | witch distros roll security updates first? |
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| 20:55.01 | makro_ | nkuttler, and it comes with the ability of handling config files, command line options and a extensible manpage |
| 20:55.04 | nkuttler | makro_: what use do you have for dyndns if you only have a local ip? |
| 20:55.14 | nkuttler | makro_: yeah so pass the ip through the command line |
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| 20:56.00 | yann2 | how often does logrotate start? I set a limit on a file of 20G, it is already 25G - when will it get rotated? |
| 20:56.01 | Hydroxide | cosming: most distros including debian and ubuntu collaborate with each other for "embargoed" security updates, where it's not public knowledge before the fix is released, and then they all release their fixes simultaneously. for other issues, I'm not aware of whether anyone's done a comprehensive study, but there's no guarantee that debian or ubuntu will release a patch before the other one does |
| 20:56.10 | makro_ | nkuttler, just to be sure: Ifconfig always shows the local ip and not the wan ip, right? |
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| 20:56.32 | Hydroxide | cosming: I do think debian tries among the hardest of any distro to avoid breaking existing behavior in their security fixes and other stable updates. |
| 20:56.42 | nkuttler | makro_: no |
| 20:57.57 | makro_ | nkuttler, so, I can't find my wan IP / internet ip in the ifconfig output as IPv4. But Internet is up ans running in that machine, using ipv4. Isn't that the expected behaviour of ifconfig? |
| 20:58.20 | nkuttler | makro_: how do you connect to the internet? |
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| 20:58.41 | nkuttler | makro_: if you're behind a router you'll need to get the ip from there or set up dyndns on the router |
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| 20:58.58 | nkuttler | (i think, haven't used dyndns in many years) |
| 20:58.58 | makro_ | nkuttler, well, I do connect to my DSL router, in a local ip network. the router itself connects to the internet |
| 20:59.25 | nkuttler | like i said. dyndns on the router, port forwarding if you must. etc |
| 20:59.54 | cosming | Hydroxide: thanks |
| 21:00.08 | makro_ | nkuttler, okay, that sounds logical... but no soplution for me. |
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| 21:00.33 | makro_ | I Think I have to find a way to automatically request my wan ip from a remote server |
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| 21:00.39 | makro_ | like myip.dk |
| 21:00.46 | gele | makro_: can't you just get it from your router? |
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| 21:01.18 | nkuttler | makro_: using dyndns won't do you any good if it points to your router and you expect it to go to a different box |
| 21:01.30 | nkuttler | makro_: many routers can do dyndns. time to read the router's fine manual |
| 21:01.35 | makro_ | gele, meybe there is a way. But it's a closed-source device, shipped from my internet provider. I do not know any interface to get the ip |
| 21:02.05 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone. I need your valuable PC regards to new PC. I am in the process to buy a new PC, actually to assemble it myself and from what I can see in the current market, everything now is 64-bit. my existing PC that has a SATA hard drive would and should be compatible with the new motherboard. If i use the same hdd on the new motherboard, will my OS going to behave normally as 32-bit OS after i do the necessary modifications for xorg et al, |
| 21:02.05 | _stefanos_ | or shall i install it as a clean OS? Please advice |
| 21:02.19 | makro_ | nkuttler, you're right. If the router could do the job, that'l be the best |
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| 21:02.50 | gele | _stefanos_: 32-bit debian runs on 64-bit systems. |
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| 21:03.01 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: i'd do a new install for new hardware, especially if you upgrade the architecture |
| 21:03.28 | _stefanos_ | yes i know that, but am i going to lose a great performance on a 64-bit motherboard with a 32-bit OS? |
| 21:03.43 | makro_ | If the router can't do the job, I'll know what to search for in the dyndns manpages.. the 'parse IP' story is still open, though, but maybe not relevant anymore |
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| 21:03.55 | makro_ | so, thaks for the hint! |
| 21:03.56 | kabars_edge | _stefanos_: so why is it you're running a 32bit os on a 64bit system |
| 21:03.57 | pipeline | _stefanos_: I have 32 bit debian on my 64 bit desktops at home and work. 64 bit isn't worth the effort. |
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| 21:04.21 | nkuttler | effort? |
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| 21:04.48 | tomodachi | pipeline: SterniX what effort would it be with 64? except for downloading a "different" cd |
| 21:04.55 | tomodachi | none i would say :) |
| 21:04.56 | pipeline | tomodachi: some things still don't work |
| 21:05.06 | nkuttler | pipeline: could you be more vague? |
| 21:05.08 | _stefanos_ | pipeline: are you pleased with its performance or you see any issues with it? |
| 21:05.10 | pipeline | tomodachi: and I can reduce my chances of encountering those things to 0 |
| 21:05.16 | tomodachi | pipeline: ive been usnig 64bit for 2 years now. Everything I use work. |
| 21:05.21 | pipeline | _stefanos_: uhh I guess it's an issue that you're limited to 48 GB of RAM |
| 21:05.24 | pipeline | tomodachi: welp, that's you |
| 21:05.29 | SterniX | tomodachi sorry what?! |
| 21:05.54 | _stefanos_ | hahaha :D no problem with that. all i need is to keep my current system as it is, that's all |
| 21:05.57 | pipeline | tomodachi: I use a lot of wine; flash plugins are kind of permanent beta; lots of isv software is distirbuted 32 bit |
| 21:06.16 | pipeline | _stefanos_: 32 bit systems have 36 bit memory addressign, so 4 * 16 = 48G is a hard and fast limit before you have to install a 64 bit kern.l |
| 21:06.39 | tomodachi | pipeline: unless you have little ram and specific old deps i would go for 64bit. Thats my opinion, flash is always "beta" but they actually have a native 64bit now wich is "equally" good to the 32bit by my experience |
| 21:06.54 | _stefanos_ | all i want to do is to change my PC because is 8 years old now and runs well of course, but...i'm afraid it will die unexpectedly |
| 21:06.58 | blubberdiblub | how is 4 * 16 = 48? |
| 21:07.06 | pipeline | blubberdiblub: I'm bad at math that's how |
| 21:07.16 | pipeline | If I were good at math maybe I wouldn't be a unix systems administrator ;) |
| 21:07.31 | nkuttler | :\ |
| 21:07.48 | _stefanos_ | pipeline: if you have installed 64-bit at any time, would you recommend it for desktop usage or not? |
| 21:08.08 | pipeline | _stefanos_: I wouldn't. |
| 21:08.10 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: i use 64bit everywhere.. and i have virtualboxes for legacy stuff |
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| 21:08.40 | _stefanos_ | that's the thing; i use Debian with windows for work under VirtualBox |
| 21:08.54 | gele | i had to change my laptop back from 64 bit to 32 bit because some things used much more memory. |
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| 21:09.00 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: you can create 32bit guests |
| 21:09.08 | gele | i don't know if that was the pointer sizes or bugs. |
| 21:09.09 | _stefanos_ | and i want to increase my PC's performance. but, since it's an old PC, I would rather change it to something newer. |
| 21:09.39 | _stefanos_ | nkutter: what about 32-bit applications that already exist for debian? are they working fine? |
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| 21:09.53 | _stefanos_ | under 64-bit i mean |
| 21:09.56 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: everything I use works. any specific questions? |
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| 21:10.23 | nkuttler | debian comes with sources, so there really isn't much "32bit" stuff in debian |
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| 21:10.47 | _stefanos_ | meaning? |
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| 21:11.25 | tomodachi | _stefanos_: meaning that most stuf works |
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| 21:12.07 | tomodachi | _stefanos_: and if it doesent work, its probably because its old and un-maintained or bad to start with. |
| 21:12.08 | nkuttler | i've only had one program not work. ever. that was retty because it uses arch-specific instructions. |
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| 21:12.41 | _stefanos_ | i see |
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| 21:13.54 | _stefanos_ | 64TiB physical memory...oooooh daaaaaang! |
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| 21:17.23 | _stefanos_ | also, is it possible to upgrade my existing system afterwards, from 32-bit to 64? |
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| 21:18.38 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Possible, but not easy. |
| 21:19.06 | _stefanos_ | yeah i thought so. i just don't want to reinstall everything and do the same over from scratch...would take ages to make it as it is now. |
| 21:19.12 | tomodachi | _stefanos_: What will you use your machine for? unless you have some VERY specific need 64 bit will be fine. You can actually run 32bit apps in 64bit. |
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| 21:19.46 | tomodachi | _stefanos_: with ia32libs. I was just like you two years ago and thought there would be issues with 64bit :) |
| 21:20.04 | judgen | Is packages for PPC build and updated at the same time as the x86 versions in debian? |
| 21:20.05 | _stefanos_ | i just want my system to work flawlessly |
| 21:20.36 | nkuttler | judgen: should be |
| 21:20.38 | _stefanos_ | if i won't see any issues with i386 on a 64-bit motherboard, no problem with that |
| 21:20.40 | nkuttler | !tell judgen about ppc |
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| 21:21.18 | tomodachi | _stefanos_: well going 64bit will guarantee that you will get all those nice optimizations for your hardware. And make sure you have "less" legacy stuff lying around in your os. |
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| 21:21.58 | _stefanos_ | tomodachi: hmm...then i will stick with i386 and that would do :D |
| 21:22.08 | Dulak | _stefanos_: the two things you should consider for 32bit vs 64bit are the cpu (is it 64bit?) and the ram (do you have more than 4g) Anything else is just gravy, as far as choosing the arch is concerned. |
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| 21:23.37 | _stefanos_ | Dulak: since nowadays they sell 64-bit processors and physical memory got so cheap, obviously would be more than 4GB. I have installed PAE kernel, so I can use up to 64GB of RAM |
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| 21:23.42 | kW | Hello, how can I set the "root" password for the mysql-server package using a script? |
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| 21:24.05 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, most software even if compiled for 64 has no 64b optimization, and a lot of stuff benchmarks slower on 64. |
| 21:25.18 | Dulak | _stefanos_: so you answered your own question. You don't need 64bit, but you might want it. |
| 21:25.44 | _stefanos_ | well if an application benchmarks faster under 32-bit architecture and less under 64...that would do isn't that right jhutchins_lt? |
| 21:25.57 | bookmark | hmmm i don't seem to have a session manager... does anyone know what it is called? |
| 21:26.39 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: It doesn't get any advantage from the 64b arch and there's more overhead. |
| 21:27.07 | nkuttler | bookmark: what would that "session manager" do? |
| 21:27.10 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: Some tasks are just not going to be able to get any advantage from 64b even if optimized. |
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| 21:27.18 | _stefanos_ | then I should definitely stick with i386 |
| 21:27.30 | bookmark | nkuttler: hopefully make it so i can log out of gnome and enter evilwm |
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| 21:27.50 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: 32bit x86 won't go away anywhere soon, that's for sure |
| 21:28.04 | nkuttler | bookmark: afaik gdm can do user switching. or do you mean with the same user? |
| 21:28.14 | bookmark | same user |
| 21:28.25 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home: i know that for sure ;) |
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| 21:30.17 | bookmark | hmm it says gnome-session already installed |
| 21:30.29 | ws2k3 | hello people. i'm looking for a firewall or software that is based on iptables and that can look in packets. |
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| 21:30.47 | bookmark | ok it logs me out back to console |
| 21:30.59 | bookmark | so at least im out of gnome |
| 21:31.06 | ws2k3 | for example detect if a kind of packets is beeing send more then ... times a minit if so? then drop the connection and ban him for like 7 days or so |
| 21:31.13 | bookmark | now how to app-default evilwm ? |
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| 21:31.56 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Are you expecting different answers than you got before? You had a pretty thorough response then. |
| 21:32.07 | makro_ | nkuttler, worksforme: ez-ipupdate. That was the command i have been looking for :) |
| 21:32.50 | ws2k3 | no i'm just still looking around.. |
| 21:33.33 | ws2k3 | and now i kind what kind a packets are ddosing me. |
| 21:33.37 | ws2k3 | i didnt knew that before. |
| 21:33.47 | _stefanos_ | ia64 is for Itanium and amd64 is what it should be x86_64? |
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| 21:34.01 | nkuttler | makro_: still, you should file a bug. if some functionality breaks because of your locale it's a bug |
| 21:34.38 | makro_ | nkuttler, I'm not sute if my locale is the cause. But I'll report the case |
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| 21:37.04 | _stefanos_ | anyway, it's bed time :) goodnight everyone |
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| 21:38.46 | webad_13 | how can I create rtmpdump for Bloomberg UK - I have it for US and it is http://pastebin.com/UBzBzBFW |
| 21:38.56 | webad_13 | or at least point me in the right direction |
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| 21:46.18 | bookmark | what do i do if debian is mounting /dev/sda2 and i don't want it being mounted? |
| 21:46.34 | mocra | bookmark, is it in fstab? |
| 21:46.34 | bookmark | it has a sensitive dd image there that i don't want to accidently delete |
| 21:46.43 | bookmark | no its not in fstab |
| 21:46.59 | An_Ony_Moose | what's the command that suspends the machine to RAM? |
| 21:47.05 | epsilon | who's mounting, fstab or some KDE/gnome automount? |
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| 21:47.19 | bookmark | epsilon i think gnome is mounting it |
| 21:47.36 | bookmark | /dev/sda2 is not in fstab |
| 21:47.46 | volk | i'm kind of confused, where can I find the download link for Debian wheezy? Whenever I try to downloaded debian, i'm always given squeeze. |
| 21:48.27 | ompaul | volk: squeeze is the stable version, is that what you want? |
| 21:48.42 | volk | no wheezy, which is testing, and not unstable(sid) |
| 21:48.46 | allorder | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 21:49.01 | volk | * no wheezy, as in, I want wheezy |
| 21:49.02 | bookmark | jeez man i was using lenny up until today. |
| 21:49.08 | An_Ony_Moose | volk: or you can install squeeze then upgrade to wheezy |
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| 21:49.10 | ompaul | volk: what allorder said |
| 21:49.12 | An_Ony_Moose | hahaha bookmark |
| 21:49.14 | bookmark | no need to use testing or even unstable |
| 21:49.14 | volk | thanks allorder |
| 21:49.18 | jelly-home | volk: the most likely way to install Debian testing and make it work is to install stable, base system, and then upgrade to testing |
| 21:49.26 | epsilon | bookmark: you should be able to disable automount in the system settings, how to handle files/discs |
| 21:49.29 | allorder | volk: np |
| 21:49.31 | jelly-home | likely to succeed* |
| 21:49.53 | Dulak | wheezy is broken a lot, it's not exactly fun |
| 21:49.58 | volk | jelly-home: I'm assuming I just change apt-get sources and then upgrade that way? |
| 21:50.11 | jelly-home | volk: weekly installer builds are not meant to install testing. They are meant to test _the installer_ |
| 21:50.24 | volk | ok |
| 21:50.41 | jelly-home | volk: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:51.04 | bookmark | wow i need to get out of gnome |
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| 21:51.22 | zykotick9 | volk, if you do want to download a wheezy iso see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:51.25 | jelly-home | volk: there's the question of what you're planning to do with wheezy |
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| 21:52.20 | volk | jelly-home: I wil run it in a VM for more updated software, like python 3.2. |
| 21:52.32 | volk | I just don't feel like messing up my current system as it is right now |
| 21:52.37 | jelly-home | ,versions python3.2 |
| 21:52.38 | judd | Package: python3.2 on i386 -- sid: 3.2.2~rc1-1; wheezy: 3.2.2~rc1-1 |
| 21:53.11 | volk | hmm i did not see py 3.2 in my repo.. iguess i'll look again |
| 21:53.59 | volk | ah I have it, either way, I'd like to test out wheezy and perhaps laugh at gnome 3 if they have it |
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| 21:57.22 | bookmark | does anyone know how to change window manager in gnome? |
| 21:58.17 | zykotick9 | bookmark, "metacity --replace" or "compiz --replace" type thing? or install a new one? |
| 21:58.49 | bookmark | well i installed flux box with apt-get install. nothing happened when i did startx |
| 21:58.50 | mocra | bookmark, if you use gdm, you can change it at the login-screen |
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| 21:59.01 | bookmark | ah.. |
| 21:59.14 | bookmark | anyway to do that if i don't use gdm? |
| 21:59.22 | mocra | or via startx, take a look at you .xinitrc |
| 21:59.39 | bookmark | mocra: i don't have one... i tried making one |
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| 21:59.55 | mocra | bookmark, you do not have what? |
| 22:00.01 | bookmark | .xinitrc |
| 22:00.09 | bookmark | well now i do |
| 22:00.12 | bookmark | i made one |
| 22:00.15 | mocra | create one´ |
| 22:00.16 | mocra | ok :) |
| 22:00.21 | bookmark | yeah it didn't do nothin |
| 22:00.39 | mocra | whats in your xinitrc? |
| 22:00.48 | bookmark | /usr/bin/evilwm |
| 22:00.48 | babilen | bookmark: Please google for "ck-launch-session fluxbox" |
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| 22:02.36 | bookmark | thanks |
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| 22:06.42 | Shamwow | Anyone tried aptosid |
| 22:06.58 | filePeter | Shamwow: What’s that‽ |
| 22:07.20 | jhutchins_lt | !aptosid |
| 22:07.21 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:07.40 | bookmark | sweet it worked, but my xterminal is inverted color~Jonny@194.228.142.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 secon |
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| 22:07.44 | Shamwow | filePeter, a debian based, rolling release distro optimised for speed |
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| 22:07.48 | bookmark | oops sorrry |
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| 22:08.56 | joeoshawa | i got a computer here and i have forgotten the root password i removed the characters between the first two : in the shadow file and the x but i still can't access root |
| 22:09.19 | joeoshawa | the x in the passwd file |
| 22:09.51 | mocra | joeoshawa, jack the ripper ;) |
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| 22:10.14 | mocra | joeoshawa, sry, john the ripper |
| 22:10.22 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: don't touch the passwd file. Use a livecd to set a new password after chrooting into the system |
| 22:10.40 | jelly-home | !tell joeoshawa about ifrp |
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| 22:11.37 | joeoshawa | don't have a live cd just the debian multiarch cd |
| 22:12.06 | robokop | joeoshawa: look at what dpkg said to you on jelly-home's behalve |
| 22:13.31 | Marcocanc | can someone help me setting up virtual proftpd users on a server with no root access? (proftpd is already installed) |
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| 22:13.44 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: that's good enough, there's a console on Alt-f2 |
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| 22:16.27 | joeoshawa | hey sorry had to switch computers |
| 22:16.43 | joeoshawa | what was that command again |
| 22:17.18 | joeoshawa | for forgetting the root password |
| 22:18.20 | robokop | dpkg: tell joeoshawa about ifrp |
| 22:18.40 | joeoshawa | thanks |
| 22:19.00 | Dulak | Marcocanc: you know you could have a web-based upload/download script installed, password protected, and people using it in under 15 minutes right? You have been at it for days. |
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| 22:19.55 | Marcocanc | Dulak: could that upload/download complete folders? |
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| 22:20.58 | Dulak | Marcocanc: probably not the way you want, without customizing it, or paying for a script that has that feature. |
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| 22:22.19 | Marcocanc | I would even pay for one, but I can't find one |
| 22:22.34 | Marcocanc | I've never heard of the ability of downloading whole folders via HTTP |
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| 22:23.30 | Dulak | Marcocanc: you hack the script to zip a folder on the fly, add a link to all folders that does the zip and starts the download. I did exactly that for a client 2 years ago and he paid me $400 for 2 hours work. |
| 22:23.55 | Marcocanc | that's the thing |
| 22:24.04 | Marcocanc | I don't want to download archives |
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| 22:24.17 | Marcocanc | the folders have 10GB+ |
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| 22:25.28 | Dulak | Right... well g'luck then, I tried to talk you down. |
| 22:25.48 | Marcocanc | anyway proftpd seems to be possible |
| 22:25.55 | Marcocanc | it's running on the server |
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| 22:26.17 | joeoshawa | what is fsck your root file system |
| 22:26.21 | Marcocanc | the admin said: You're welcome to run an ftp daemon on your slot, but we cannot support the set up and it would have to be configured to listen on ports > 1024 |
| 22:26.54 | Dulak | Marcocanc: I'm the one who pointed you at the docs you need to get that working 2 days ago. |
| 22:28.05 | Dulak | joeoshawa: it means you need to run the fsck program on whatever partition is your /, fsck = file system check. |
| 22:28.06 | Marcocanc | I tried to use them but I didn't understand some of the things |
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| 22:28.55 | np_complete | hi, how to know in what partition is the swap I am using? mount doe snot tell. |
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| 22:29.40 | jhutchins_lt | np_complete: fdisk -l |
| 22:29.51 | Marcocanc | Dulak: the docs say something about creating user groups |
| 22:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | np_complete: cat /proc/swaps |
| 22:30.04 | Marcocanc | but as I don't have root access I don't know how to create them |
| 22:30.23 | np_complete | thanks |
| 22:30.35 | Dulak | Marcocanc: yes, that was the AuthUserGroups docs I sent you. You create them virtually in the config for proftpd |
| 22:31.00 | Dulak | Marcocanc: they don't have to be real system groups, they can be virtual groups from your config |
| 22:31.09 | joeoshawa | so i just press e to edit the kernel line and type a space and then init=/bin/sh?\ |
| 22:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: Maybe you should learn a little more about working with Debian and Linux before you try to run an FTP server. Running one without getting your system rooted is not simple. |
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| 22:31.58 | joeoshawa | cause i did that last time and it booted like normal |
| 22:32.01 | Dulak | jhutchins_lt: he's on shared hosting even and his hosting provider told him to do it but they wouldn't support it. I'm wondering how many people 0wn their servers by now. |
| 22:32.07 | Steaven` | hello #debian :) |
| 22:32.56 | Marcocanc | can you tell me how to make the virtual users? |
| 22:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: You have to follow ALL of the steps, in order. |
| 22:33.41 | rotflcopter | can you recommend a universal way to set graphic video mode and write to video memory in FASM ? |
| 22:33.51 | rotflcopter | getting a simple linear framebuffer i can move pixels in ? |
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| 22:34.09 | Marcocanc | I'm very sorry for taking your time, I'll buy you a beer when I get ftp up and running :D |
| 22:34.19 | Dulak | joeoshawa: you can 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot and it should force a fsck on boot |
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| 22:35.16 | Steaven` | Marcocanc i just connected to irc and didnt read all what you did wrote. I am just interested what your reason is to setup a ftp server without root access? :) |
| 22:35.39 | Steaven` | isnt there any ftpd running? |
| 22:35.49 | Marcocanc | proftpd is running |
| 22:35.55 | Marcocanc | but I only have one ftp account |
| 22:35.56 | joeoshawa | i did follow the steps and the file system boots to the normal login screen not command line |
| 22:36.20 | Dulak | Marcocanc: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/howto/Authentication.html read the section titled 'Virtual Users' |
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| 22:37.10 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: There's good reason for that. |
| 22:37.16 | Steaven` | Marcocanc you simple need more ftp accounts for a website / webspace account? |
| 22:37.42 | Marcocanc | I use that server for sharing huge files |
| 22:37.55 | Steaven` | kk |
| 22:38.06 | Marcocanc | well actually 10GB+ folders |
| 22:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: It's possible that the type of service you're paying for isn't right for what you want to do, but perhaps you should take advantage of what you have and learn how it's meant to be used. |
| 22:38.13 | Marcocanc | with 1000s of files in it |
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| 22:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: Shall we assume that these are something like legal game mods? |
| 22:39.02 | Steaven` | Marcocanc maybe you can take a look on glftp with users in a config file (not real system users). |
| 22:39.28 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: Who's your provider, and what level of service plan? |
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| 22:39.35 | robokop | Marcocanc: how about rsync and limited ssh keys? |
| 22:39.41 | Marcocanc | feralhosting.com the 15£ plan |
| 22:39.48 | Dulak | It's shared hosting, with proftpd, and the host told him to run it himself on a port >1024 and won't support it. |
| 22:39.52 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: If he can't create system users that's not going to work. |
| 22:40.04 | jhutchins_lt | robokop: I take that back, keys. |
| 22:40.16 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: :) |
| 22:40.34 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: What robokop suggested is actually a pretty good idea, but it wouldn't work within a game client. |
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| 22:40.56 | Marcocanc | game client? |
| 22:41.38 | Marcocanc | I use the server for sharing movies, music, ps3games... |
| 22:41.45 | Marcocanc | but only privately |
| 22:43.05 | Marcocanc | Dulak: I read the section |
| 22:43.12 | Marcocanc | but it doesn't say how to make them |
| 22:43.18 | Dulak | Well there went your chance for help. You realize many people here make money by selling their products, that you are trying to give away for free to your friends? |
| 22:43.37 | Dulak | I know I'm done. |
| 22:43.41 | joeoshawa | so when it says to add that command to the kernel setting it goes at the end of the kernel line not on its own line? |
| 22:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: That service is probably not a good match for what you're doing, but yeah, go with robokop's idea. |
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| 22:44.04 | Marcocanc | by privately I mean family |
| 22:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: What you're doing is illegal in the U.S. and many other countries, so it may be hard to find support. |
| 22:44.22 | Marcocanc | and only bought tuff |
| 22:44.33 | Dulak | Stealing is stealing, regardless of whether it's family or strangers. |
| 22:44.51 | Marcocanc | -.- If I rip the stuff... |
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| 22:45.26 | Marcocanc | if my brother wants to watch a movie I bought he's not gonna buy it again |
| 22:45.30 | joeoshawa | its illegal everywhere that has a government actually i believe |
| 22:45.40 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: I don't think the laws as currently interpreted are right or fair, but the law says that even ripping it may be illegal, and sharing it or making additional copies definitely is. |
| 22:45.45 | joeoshawa | you lend him the disk |
| 22:45.51 | np_complete | hi ther, I got 2 swaps parts in my disk, how can I tell the kernel to use one or another? I am planning to erase one (the one that I am currently using. |
| 22:45.57 | joeoshawa | not make him one lol |
| 22:46.28 | Dulak | Yes there is a huge difference between lending and copying. |
| 22:46.47 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: Unfortunately, any electronic transfer is a copy. |
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| 22:47.00 | joeoshawa | lets put it this way here in canada i can make a copy of a movie i own for me |
| 22:47.15 | robokop | joeoshawa: nope, in NL you may make copies for personal use (wetgeving thuiskopie). Giving them to thirds is illegal though |
| 22:47.19 | np_complete | well, Canada is cool. |
| 22:47.25 | joeoshawa | if i lend that disk to my brother and he copies it that is legal |
| 22:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: At least until they sign the ACTA. |
| 22:47.29 | Marcocanc | in my state it's illegal after 24hrs that the file is on one's computer |
| 22:47.37 | Marcocanc | so there's nothing illegal abt it |
| 22:47.46 | joeoshawa | but if i make a copy and give it to him i go to jail |
| 22:48.10 | dondelelcaro | this is not on topic for #debian. Please take it elsewhere. |
| 22:48.14 | np_complete | I am in Spain the "piracy paradise". hahaha |
| 22:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: Anyway, robokop's idea is much better. |
| 22:48.47 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: Passwords for ftp are unencrypted, so using ftp is always a risk. |
| 22:48.47 | Marcocanc | I know |
| 22:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: However, you could share them over HTTP as well. |
| 22:49.10 | Marcocanc | nope, I want to share folders |
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| 22:49.22 | Marcocanc | and not zip them |
| 22:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: What do you mean "nope"? |
| 22:49.40 | Marcocanc | nope-> no |
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| 22:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: How do you think 99% of Debian is distributed? Hint: the FTP servers have been down. |
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| 22:50.37 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like they still are. |
| 22:50.51 | Marcocanc | I just need FTP, please don't suggest anything else |
| 22:50.53 | Dulak | His torrented files are split into multiple files, so he doesn't want to inconvenience his 'family' by making them click each file individually. |
| 22:51.10 | joeoshawa | target file system does not have /bin/sh |
| 22:51.22 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... how can i know for how long my system was installed ? |
| 22:51.34 | Marcocanc | Dulak: what torrents? |
| 22:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: No, you don't. |
| 22:51.58 | Marcocanc | why don't I? |
| 22:52.03 | robokop | /ignore Marcocanc |
| 22:52.09 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: So it's not Debian? |
| 22:52.17 | joeoshawa | yes it is |
| 22:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: But Debian has /bin/sh |
| 22:52.43 | joeoshawa | apparently not |
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| 22:53.10 | rypervenche | headdesks. |
| 22:53.13 | joeoshawa | at least not this one i installed it myself from net install cd |
| 22:53.28 | joeoshawa | it is debian |
| 22:53.43 | joeoshawa | debian fluxbox with rox |
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| 22:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | Marcocanc: Two possibilities: 1) Take one of our suggestions, or 2) Find a provider that supports multi-user FTP. There is not a 3) whine until we tell you how to do something you can't do. |
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| 22:54.29 | Marcocanc | ok I'll take your suggestions |
| 22:54.34 | Marcocanc | but which one is the best? |
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| 22:57.06 | np_complete | where can I tell what part I wanna use for swap? |
| 22:57.12 | joeoshawa | so what do i do |
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| 22:58.31 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: if your /bin/sh is missing, other files may be missing as well. Unless you're well versed with recovering such a system, I suggest a reinstallation |
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| 22:58.38 | Fernandos | hi |
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| 22:59.26 | Fernandos | I forgot the name of a module.. it controls in debian/ubuntu the security of applications.. it's not SELINUX.. the other one.. |
| 22:59.30 | Fernandos | what was it again? |
| 22:59.44 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: however it is not clear files are actually missing, there. Get a decent livecd, boot that, mount your Debian and try to chroot into it. |
| 22:59.54 | Fernandos | ahh apparmor |
| 22:59.59 | jelly-home | Fernandos: Debian does not use apparmor. |
| 23:00.01 | Fernandos | was apparmor right? |
| 23:00.04 | Fernandos | hmm |
| 23:00.07 | jelly-home | Ubuntu does. |
| 23:00.12 | Fernandos | this is debian |
| 23:00.18 | Fernandos | squeeze |
| 23:00.42 | robokop | dpkg tell Fernandos about enter |
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| 23:01.21 | jelly-home | Fernandos: I don't think Debian's kernel even supports it, see /msg dpkg apparmor |
| 23:02.28 | Marcocanc | how can I run a perl script via ssh? |
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| 23:02.58 | dondelelcaro | Marcocanc: ssh foohost perlscript |
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| 23:03.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, apparmor has been merged |
| 23:03.14 | dondelelcaro | Marcocanc: same way you run any command using ssh |
| 23:03.29 | Marcocanc | so I cd in the folder where the script it? |
| 23:03.31 | np_complete | wau, mount says that '/' is at sda3, but fstab says that '/' is at sda9, wht the hell?! |
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| 23:04.11 | b0mbadil | Marcocanc: an absolute path works as well |
| 23:05.11 | b0mbadil | ssh foohost /the/remote/path/of/your/script |
| 23:05.28 | joeoshawa | must have typed it in wrong cause it worked the second time |
| 23:05.51 | joeoshawa | now to see if the new password took |
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| 23:07.43 | joeoshawa | thank you |
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| 23:08.00 | joeoshawa | you saved me a ton of work rebuilding from scratch |
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| 23:08.48 | C-boys | how do I delete last logged in logs? |
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| 23:14.09 | filePeter | C-boys: What do you mean? |
| 23:14.30 | C-boys | last login, where this is stored? just only in auth.log? |
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| 23:21.06 | karsten | C-boys: /var/log/lastlog |
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| 23:22.24 | karsten | C-boys: ... and why would you want to do that? |
| 23:22.27 | b0mbadil | C-boys: man last |
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| 23:23.14 | karsten | notes that with remote syslog, "deleting last login" isn't entirely possible. |
| 23:24.28 | Dulak | karsten: you know why he wants to do that, there is really only one answer. |
| 23:25.21 | karsten | Dulak: Yeah. My bad. |
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| 23:28.56 | joeoshawa | can i upgrade from lenny to wheezy or do i have to go to squeeze first |
| 23:29.09 | _tmp_ | Okay, this is weird, when trying to initiate an ftp connection, it initially reports "Authentication successful", but then kicks off with "S:530 User ... access denied." where "..." is a random set of characters, including non-printable ones. |
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| 23:31.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | jhutchins_lt: through squeeze |
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| 23:32.23 | joeoshawa | Kee |
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| 23:34.56 | _tmp_ | joeoshawa: You *might* be able to go straight to it, although I'd expect it'd take several passes with apt-get. I don't know if any of the other managers would be any better. It's likely easier and safer to go through squeeze. |
| 23:35.16 | joeoshawa | didn't realise i had lenny on this thing |
| 23:35.19 | joeoshawa | cool thanks |
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| 23:35.35 | _tmp_ | So, anyone have any thoughts on why ftp replaces the username with a noise? |
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| 23:40.45 | Lovecraft | I don't spose anyone knows the sources.list lines for trinity kde desktop? |
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| 23:45.02 | nycjv321 | hello I am debian (my gf's laptop) and networkmanger has suddenly stoped working.. I restarted the service and in the taskbar area I can bring up the interface I configured it to my home network (wpa2 personal) and to automatically connect but it never does? |
| 23:45.11 | nycjv321 | am using* |
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| 23:48.04 | nycjv321 | when I click "connect to" my predefined network it never does anything |
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| 23:51.19 | babilen | !tell Lovecraft -about trinity |
| 23:51.28 | Lovecraft | Thanks. |
| 23:51.35 | babilen | Lovecraft: Check their website or ask in #trinity-project |
| 23:51.41 | Lovecraft | I will. |
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| 23:51.46 | babilen | have fun :) |
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| 23:51.50 | Lovecraft | Their site seems out for a bit. |
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| 23:59.39 | ahel1 | os-prober won't find a LVM system |