| 00:00.03 | tomodachi | fjd: ok |
| 00:00.10 | jfb86 | SupaYoshi: perhaps just a ln -s to the /etc/rc.d/rc3 path to your script could help? |
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| 00:02.12 | acu | how do I get rid of that stupid keyring in gnome - I can't remote connect because is prompts on the remote station to enter the keyring - and if is nobody there of course I cannot connect - can anyone tell me once and for all how to handle that |
| 00:02.37 | batouzo | acu: haha have the same problem. |
| 00:03.22 | acu | absolutely annoying - I used to know to get rid of it and tried one or few howto's - as usually done by some newbies - so they do not work |
| 00:03.34 | jfb86 | acu: apt-get install gnome-keyring ? |
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| 00:04.15 | acu | jfb86: dude this is installed - I want to get rid of the question is asking me always |
| 00:05.01 | jfb86 | acu: excuse me i need to translate, i need more vocabulary in english...sorry... |
| 00:05.50 | acu | jfb86: do not worry :) |
| 00:06.14 | jfb86 | thx :) |
| 00:06.21 | acu | the question was how to get rid of the kerying question that pops-up everytime I remote |
| 00:07.14 | jfb86 | ok!!:) |
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| 00:08.28 | jfb86 | acu: huumm...what do to for? |
| 00:08.41 | SupaYoshi | will this work as a script? run /etc/init.d/fail2ban |
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| 00:11.33 | jfb86 | SupaYoshi: a script with .sh extension and with chmod +777 script.sh will work, with at the beginning of the script #/bin/sh In theory, but it depends of the shells, etc. etc. but if the chmod is ok, run ./your_script and it should work. if not, look inside your script and the rights? |
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| 00:13.34 | Blackvel | whats the best remote file system built into debian? something simpler than samba to remote connect two debian servers? |
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| 00:14.19 | jfb86 | SupaYoshi: i forgot! : not #/bin/sh but #!/bin/sh |
| 00:14.21 | SupaYoshi | aw my script isnt working no :P hehe |
| 00:14.22 | jfb86 | sorry |
| 00:14.25 | SupaYoshi | ohhh |
| 00:14.30 | SupaYoshi | :D thnx leme try that |
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| 00:15.45 | jfb86 | SupaYoshi: it works? |
| 00:15.56 | SupaYoshi | ehm |
| 00:16.03 | SupaYoshi | naw |
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| 00:16.18 | SupaYoshi | #!bin/sh |
| 00:16.32 | SupaYoshi | tried this:#!bin/sh |
| 00:16.51 | jfb86 | #!/bin/sh |
| 00:17.05 | jfb86 | !/ |
| 00:17.05 | dpkg | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
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| 00:18.45 | jfb86 | this is in your script the first line #!/bin/sh |
| 00:18.54 | Blackvel | i will try nfs kernel driver |
| 00:19.04 | jfb86 | and after run ./yourscript |
| 00:20.18 | jfb86 | zut c'est compliqué quand le français passe pas... sgrogneugneu... |
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| 00:20.48 | jfb86 | et que je suis pas assez doué en anglais...sgrogneugneu |
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| 00:22.23 | curfont | how do I fix grub from a rescue iso? |
| 00:22.37 | curfont | it seems to be corrupt after the last update |
| 00:22.42 | cthuluh | Blackvel: consider using something more secure than nfs if the servers aren't on the same (trusted) network |
| 00:23.00 | Tekk_ | I'm getting errors when I try to torrent the testing i386 isos. it says that the tracker isn't authorized to provide that download |
| 00:23.03 | Tekk_ | that being transmission |
| 00:23.06 | cthuluh | curfont: boot in rescue mode, grub-install, and... |
| 00:23.34 | simonlnu | Tekk_: common issue. i think it means that it isn't ready, or something |
| 00:23.34 | jfb86 | curfont: follow cthuluh |
| 00:23.51 | Tekk_ | simonlnu: okay, so I get a nice fresh image :D |
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| 00:24.21 | cthuluh | jfb86: it's nice to help, btw, but don't recommend using chmod 777 anymore ;) |
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| 00:24.28 | curfont | cthuluh, when I do grub-install in rescue mode it complains that it cannot find a device for /boot/grub |
| 00:24.50 | Tekk_ | simonlnu: how long is the average wait for it to clear up? |
| 00:24.56 | cthuluh | curfont: then what devices can you see in /proc/partitions and /boot/grub/device.map? |
| 00:25.12 | jfb86 | cthuluh: of course not 777 on the / ;) |
| 00:25.17 | curfont | the devices are there |
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| 00:25.26 | curfont | both in dev and partitions |
| 00:25.34 | curfont | the boot device is /dev/sdd |
| 00:25.41 | cthuluh | jfb86: 0777 should *never* be used |
| 00:25.41 | curfont | it should be "grub-install /dev/sdd" ? |
| 00:25.59 | simonlnu | Tekk_: i don't know. might want to try another client, too. |
| 00:26.09 | cthuluh | curfont: probably. is it really supposed to be sdd? |
| 00:26.20 | curfont | cthuluh, yes it is |
| 00:26.42 | curfont | maybe I should have mentioned, this is vmware |
| 00:27.10 | Blackvel | cthuluh: no they arent. public internet, separate ip range. but need to mount a directory on new server, so i can backup old one |
| 00:27.12 | SupaYoshi | okay got my script working though, ehm cronjob not yet :P |
| 00:27.45 | cthuluh | Blackvel: consider using rsync with ssh keys |
| 00:28.01 | Blackvel | that lets me mount a remote directory? |
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| 00:28.09 | Blackvel | like i can use for mysqldump & stuff? |
| 00:28.19 | cthuluh | Blackvel: no |
| 00:28.27 | Blackvel | but i need that |
| 00:28.29 | Blackvel | no space left |
| 00:28.32 | Blackvel | :) |
| 00:28.44 | cthuluh | Blackvel: but can you use mysqldump just on the database files, without the mysql daemon running? |
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| 00:29.16 | Blackvel | it it where my choice...i would just copy over /var directory |
| 00:29.20 | Blackvel | or parts of it |
| 00:29.28 | Blackvel | but on new system its mysql 5.1, not 5.0 |
| 00:29.33 | Blackvel | so probably that ont work |
| 00:29.36 | Blackvel | wont |
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| 00:30.03 | jfb86 | cthuluh: i disagree cause i had the case in a production project : migration from SCO to RHEL, with a PROGRESS DB, that NEEDS the 777 to work (in the directory of the DB). It's stupid and i say like you, but this was the only choice for them!! STUPID!! I agree... but my system was not with 777, but do you want to know the bettter? the DBA was an acces to the system and (without any knowledge about linux) did a chmod -R 777 / ...... i was ready to |
| 00:30.09 | SupaYoshi | aww men =/ |
| 00:30.25 | SupaYoshi | I tried everything now, i can start my cronjob with fail2ban.sh |
| 00:30.34 | SupaYoshi | but when i add that to cronjobs it doesnt work |
| 00:30.35 | cthuluh | Blackvel: you really want mysqldump, imho. plus, just copying your /var directory will give you a corrupted file system state |
| 00:30.42 | SupaYoshi | i added useraccount and stuff, juts doesnt work :P |
| 00:30.42 | curfont | cthuluh, it needed a differenr root-directory since this was a livecd |
| 00:31.14 | jfb86 | SupaYoshi: edit your crontab crontab -e |
| 00:31.23 | SupaYoshi | http://pastebin.com/wce5bdm0 |
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| 00:31.31 | SupaYoshi | whats wrong in it :P |
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| 00:31.41 | cthuluh | curfont: I don't get it ; using a debian CD in rescue mode, you get into a chroot, automagically |
| 00:31.46 | mdik | dear lazyIRC: when i want to change the mapping of my keyboard (without those clickthingies from kde or gnome), which command do i use for that and for which packages should i look? |
| 00:31.49 | SupaYoshi | tried restarting crontab many times now :P |
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| 00:31.51 | Blackvel | cthuluh: exluding linux lib directories of course |
| 00:32.14 | Blackvel | cthuluh: not sure how i get my old lenny backup running again....maybe i copied over /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:32.19 | Blackvel | how i got |
| 00:32.30 | Blackvel | we'll see :) |
| 00:32.35 | cthuluh | 8) |
| 00:33.40 | Tramp | SupaYoshi: you apparently add a "user" filed to a user-crontab. Check the 2nd commented line in this crontab and follow the instructions there |
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| 00:33.49 | jfb86 | ctuluh: all my friends who were working on this project (system&network, not DB) were laughing and pee with that guy... :) |
| 00:33.53 | Blackvel | cthuluh: is there any simple remotefs tool which i could choose in aptitude gui? |
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| 00:34.03 | Blackvel | besides rsync... :) |
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| 00:35.14 | cthuluh | Blackvel: I'm still thinking you're doing it wrong, but *shrug*. see whether sshfs pleases you |
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| 00:36.17 | jfb86 | the DBA just crashes the system...after his "manipulation", i want to type ls .... all system crashes... he was fired out... |
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| 00:36.47 | jfb86 | i spend 4 hours to reinstall everything...ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:37.13 | jfb86 | so no 777 for the / lol :) |
| 00:37.28 | basix | inorder to delete a chrooted environment do i simply delete the location where chrooted environment's root is installed - say /srv/chroot/foo ? or there is more to cleanup? |
| 00:38.05 | Blackvel | cthuluh: thats the fuse stuff, isnt it? thanks..will take a look into it tomorrow |
| 00:38.18 | cthuluh | yarp |
| 00:38.47 | cthuluh | basix: do you have mounted directories under /srv/chroot/foo ? |
| 00:39.15 | basix | cthuluh, possibly. i am using schroot to enter the root |
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| 00:39.44 | jfb86 | just to talk about something other than IT... is anyone here who knows malcolm? you know, a TV show? :) |
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| 00:40.07 | basix | cthuluh, for example it seems schroot has mounted my home -> /home on /var/lib/schroot/mount/u1104_i386-bc24447a-a6af-4e28-a8fb-b7fee9cf54d5/home type none (rw,bind) |
| 00:40.17 | jfb86 | i foud it marrant |
| 00:40.20 | curfont | does the debian livecd not have resize2fs? |
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| 00:40.37 | gimpy138 | How do I search for a particular file with aptitude similar to 'yum proveds'? |
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| 00:40.51 | jfb86 | curfont: i think it should be integrated? |
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| 00:41.07 | curfont | doesnt seem to be in the path |
| 00:41.23 | jfb86 | ah?.... |
| 00:41.24 | curfont | oh there we go |
| 00:41.30 | curfont | nm |
| 00:41.36 | cthuluh | basix: a mount --bind in a chroot can do much harm if you forget to unmount it before deleting the chroot. be careful |
| 00:42.05 | jfb86 | curfont: as root you should have it no? |
| 00:42.12 | curfont | yes, got it |
| 00:42.14 | basix | cthuluh, ok...but it looks like when i exit a chroot, all my mounts are automatically umounted. |
| 00:42.23 | jfb86 | so :) |
| 00:42.35 | simonlnu | basix: they aren't |
| 00:42.52 | cthuluh | gimpy138: dpkg -L for installed packages, apt-file search for others |
| 00:43.19 | basix | simonlnu, why do you say that? i looked at the output of 'mount' and it seems the mounts are gone. is there something i am missing? |
| 00:43.32 | cthuluh | simonlnu: maybe is schroot a bit particular? |
| 00:43.44 | jfb86 | df -h |
| 00:43.54 | jfb86 | cat /etc/fstab |
| 00:43.58 | SupaYoshi | jfb86? |
| 00:44.06 | jfb86 | yep? |
| 00:44.07 | SupaYoshi | I cant get my cronjob to work :( |
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| 00:44.12 | scrote | moin. |
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| 00:44.44 | simonlnu | basix: cthuluh: ah maybe. i thought this was an ordinary chroot |
| 00:44.44 | scrote | how do I uninstall a program that was installed via dpkg -i foo.deb and nolong have that foo.deb ? |
| 00:44.59 | Tekk_ | scrote: you should be able to remove it normally |
| 00:45.02 | jfb86 | did you restart cron daemon after modifying the lines we told you? |
| 00:45.12 | basix | simonlnu, ordinary vs schroot? can you explain a bit? |
| 00:45.19 | simonlnu | you don't have to do that jfb86 |
| 00:45.38 | jfb86 | simoninu: it depends |
| 00:45.42 | simonlnu | man chroot |
| 00:45.47 | scrote | Tekk_: what is the command to remove it normally ? |
| 00:45.54 | Tekk_ | scrote: aptitude |
| 00:46.00 | Tekk_ | aptitude remove $PKG |
| 00:46.23 | Tekk_ | as root, of course |
| 00:46.23 | jfb86 | /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 00:46.28 | SupaYoshi | yep i did |
| 00:46.33 | jfb86 | ok |
| 00:46.34 | SupaYoshi | like 20 times :p |
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| 00:46.42 | Blue1 | how can I find out what channels the wireless access points around me are using so I can adjust mine to an unused channel? |
| 00:46.48 | scrote | Tekk_: what If my version is no longer in aptitude repos? How do I find that exact package name ? |
| 00:46.51 | SupaYoshi | this works: /etc/init.d/fail2ban.sh start |
| 00:46.58 | jfb86 | wait a minute, i give you a line... |
| 00:47.08 | cthuluh | Blue1: man iwlist |
| 00:47.08 | Tekk_ | scrote: dpkg -L | grep part_you_remember may work |
| 00:47.24 | SupaYoshi | okay :D |
| 00:48.02 | scrote | dpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument |
| 00:48.30 | cthuluh | SupaYoshi meant dpkg -l '*part you remember*' |
| 00:48.50 | Tekk_ | cthuluh: thanks |
| 00:48.51 | cthuluh | ah, no, it was Tekk_ |
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| 00:49.13 | Tekk_ | cthuluh: yeah, I was just about to say that after I ran --help to see what I did wrong |
| 00:49.18 | scrote | Thankx folks. |
| 00:49.25 | scrote | learned dpkg -l today |
| 00:49.44 | dname | how to disable the firewall in Debian is 5? set torrent tracker, but are not allowed. ports closed |
| 00:49.58 | simonlnu | dname: no firewall |
| 00:49.59 | cthuluh | dname: there is none |
| 00:50.23 | dname | What then can block the ports? |
| 00:50.40 | simonlnu | !port forwarding |
| 00:50.41 | dpkg | Ask me about <ip forwarding> ; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination |
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| 00:51.00 | simonlnu | !ip forwarding |
| 00:51.01 | dpkg | To enable IP forwarding (aka packet forwarding) in Etch and later Debian versions: edit /etc/sysctl.conf, uncomment the relevant packet forwarding lines for IPv4/IPv6, save/quit and execute `sysctl -p'. Previously configured in /etc/network/options (Sarge), this file is deprecated and ignored since Etch. |
| 00:51.16 | simonlnu | ffs... |
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| 00:52.27 | qop2 | !bot |
| 00:52.28 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:52.48 | qop2 | what is dpkg coded with? |
| 00:52.54 | simonlnu | perl |
| 00:53.12 | dvs | ick |
| 00:53.27 | dname | Uncomment the line. It should now be working |
| 00:53.27 | dname | ? |
| 00:53.39 | qop2 | shrugs |
| 00:53.44 | qop2 | simonlnu: yeah? |
| 00:53.51 | Tramp | SupaYoshi: Did you read what I told you about your broken crontab half an hour ago? |
| 00:54.01 | simonlnu | dname: you also need to forward packets from your router to your machine where the torrent client is |
| 00:55.48 | cordell | Is security a different repo than stable? And if so, security fixes dont have to first go to unstable, then testing, then stable, right? |
| 00:56.27 | simonlnu | they get fast tracked yes |
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| 00:57.50 | cordell | Ok, thanks. |
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| 01:00.07 | qop2 | k ty |
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| 01:01.22 | Blackvel | bye |
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| 01:04.54 | Tekk_ | okay, I think the bt error may actually be a problem |
| 01:05.06 | Tekk_ | well, there's a problem somewhere |
| 01:05.18 | Tekk_ | the site says that the last weekly image was built on october 20th |
| 01:05.30 | Tekk_ | ah, further in says 31st |
| 01:05.44 | jfb86 | to enable forwarding, echo >1 /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:05.45 | Tekk_ | so it may be a new image |
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| 01:10.45 | gimpy138 | So I had to install a dependency of a package manually with 'dpkg -i --ignore-depends...' and now aptitude and apt-get want to 'fix' things every time I try to install a completely different package. How do I tell apt-get and aptitude to stop complaining and trying to remove things? |
| 01:11.37 | nkuttler | !tell gimpy138 about equivs |
| 01:12.32 | skilz | checking for GTK... no |
| 01:12.35 | skilz | configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.16) were not met: |
| 01:12.39 | skilz | How do I fix this? |
| 01:12.53 | Tekk_ | skilz: install the dev package |
| 01:13.05 | gimpy138 | *gumblegumble* of course now I have to install equivs manually too. |
| 01:13.11 | skilz | Tekk_: whats it called? |
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| 01:15.13 | skilz | Tekk_: What dev package? |
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| 01:15.56 | Tekk_ | skilz: I don't know off the top of my head |
| 01:16.02 | Tekk_ | and it'd change based on what version you're using |
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| 01:16.20 | Tekk_ | skilz: search for gtk dev in synaptic |
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| 01:19.35 | jfb86 | i begin to be tired, i'll leave you in a few minutes friends |
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| 01:20.12 | jfb86 | i hope i helped just a little |
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| 01:21.42 | jfb86 | echo >1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:21.50 | jfb86 | i forgot the sys |
| 01:22.00 | jfb86 | :P |
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| 01:23.41 | jfb86 | excuse me dpkg :) |
| 01:24.18 | jfb86 | dpkg: sorry :) |
| 01:24.18 | dpkg | jfb86: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:26.03 | jfb86 | i don't understand |
| 01:26.07 | jfb86 | :( |
| 01:26.31 | jfb86 | my vocabulary... sorry... :( |
| 01:27.09 | jfb86 | i think i need much more english lessons :) |
| 01:27.52 | dvs | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:27.52 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 01:28.26 | jfb86 | interesting |
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| 01:29.20 | jfb86 | so i'm going to sleep, good night all people and see you soon :) |
| 01:29.39 | SupaYoshi | byeee |
| 01:29.42 | SupaYoshi | thnx for ur help :D |
| 01:29.58 | SupaYoshi | i havent figured it out yet, hope someone else wants to help me out :D |
| 01:30.05 | jfb86 | SupaYoshi: thx |
| 01:30.21 | jfb86 | hope to see you soon. good night |
| 01:30.24 | SupaYoshi | yw |
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| 01:32.16 | puff | I just did "sudo aptitude --schedule-only install" for a large package list (dumped from my old machine), but I haven't done the actual intall step yet. Is there a way to clear that stuff back out, so I can install packages one-by-one? |
| 01:33.06 | babilen | puff: aptitude keep-all |
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| 01:33.24 | puff | Cool, thanks. |
| 01:33.28 | bjorkintosh | why does my system tell me 'gave up waiting for root device'? |
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| 01:33.36 | bjorkintosh | i just installed it, and this is the first reboot. |
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| 01:42.59 | puff | I'm rebuilding a system and I want to install a whole slew of packages. I want to fire it off and go. Some packages, like emacs (which I just installed) require no further interaction once you've typed "sudo aptitude install emacs". Others require you to make choices, select options, enter passwords or names, etc. Is there any way to tell ahead of time which packages require interactive stuff (setting options, etc) for install? |
| 01:43.04 | puff | Did any of that get cut off? |
| 01:43.12 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, a few months back i created an image using partimage of a partition that had squeeze installed on and recently, i reloaded the image onto a new computer with a bigger partition size but it doesn't show the entire free space. how do i fix this? |
| 01:43.37 | gimpy138 | bjorkintosh: If you wait a few seconds then type exit does it proceed to boot? |
| 01:43.52 | bjorkintosh | no. |
| 01:43.57 | bjorkintosh | same error comes up. |
| 01:44.12 | bjorkintosh | it's a fresh install, so i'm a bit confused. |
| 01:44.24 | bjorkintosh | it's also the 6th i've done today on the same machine, with the same problems. |
| 01:44.43 | gimpy138 | bjorkintosh: Take a look at this: http://dotancohen.com/eng/gave_up_waiting_for_root_device.html |
| 01:45.31 | bjorkintosh | i had that already open. |
| 01:45.43 | gimpy138 | paranoidphreak: Resize the logical volume if you are using LVM then resize your filesystem. |
| 01:46.10 | gimpy138 | bjorkintosh: Have you tried what it says? |
| 01:46.13 | bjorkintosh | also, this is running yaboot, not grub. |
| 01:46.18 | bjorkintosh | it's a mac... |
| 01:46.31 | bjorkintosh | nothing hardware-wise has changed in 10-15 years on it. |
| 01:46.58 | bjorkintosh | openbsd installed just fine as well. couldn't get it to boot though because i had to do something silly with HFS. |
| 01:47.06 | Tekk_ | poor guy couldn't make rent :/ |
| 01:47.11 | bjorkintosh | i probably should leave the silly machine in the dumpster. |
| 01:47.19 | gimpy138 | bjorkintosh: I know nothing about yaboot and I never touch anything Apple so I have no idea then. |
| 01:47.28 | Tekk_ | bjorkintosh: 10-15 year old computer? |
| 01:47.39 | bjorkintosh | Tekk_, i use it as a dumb terminal. |
| 01:47.44 | bjorkintosh | works perfectly as such. |
| 01:47.51 | Tekk_ | bjorkintosh: I'd go with lilo or something |
| 01:47.57 | Tekk_ | if lilo will even boot modern kernels |
| 01:47.59 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: make the block sizes on each box match each other? |
| 01:48.01 | bjorkintosh | and every now and then, as a not so dumb terminal. |
| 01:48.05 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 01:48.25 | bjorkintosh | Tekk_, yaboot is what it came installed with. there were no other options. |
| 01:48.46 | paranoidphreak | gimpy138: i'm new to linux and i don't know how, sorry |
| 01:48.48 | bjorkintosh | the iso didn't offer grub or lilo or anything else. |
| 01:48.59 | Tekk_ | bjorkintosh: so you still want to keep system 7 or whatever it has |
| 01:49.00 | Tekk_ | okay |
| 01:49.02 | Tekk_ | OH yeah, yaboot is probably the only ppc option.. |
| 01:49.14 | bjorkintosh | Tekk_, no os9 was wiped off ages ago. |
| 01:49.28 | bjorkintosh | unfortunately i can't find the damned thing anywhere :( |
| 01:49.32 | Tekk_ | bjorkintosh: yeah, I realized what the issue was |
| 01:49.49 | gimpy138 | paranoidphreak: It can be dangerous if you make a mistake but there is plenty of information on it. Use Google and remember that ext4 is different than ext3 if that is what you are using. |
| 01:49.59 | bjorkintosh | and yellow dog comes on a dvd, which this machine lacks. |
| 01:50.23 | paranoidphreak | gimpy138: ok, thanks |
| 01:50.52 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: thanks for the suggestion, i'll guess i'll try googling for the info |
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| 01:51.26 | Tekk_ | O.o |
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| 01:51.31 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: what does your df -h say for each box? |
| 01:51.41 | Tekk_ | ompaul: how's gns 3 going? |
| 01:51.56 | ompaul | Tekk_: I'm not there anymore, ask Sam G |
| 01:52.05 | Tekk_ | ah |
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| 01:52.13 | ompaul | afik they could call it that, but choose not to |
| 01:52.19 | ompaul | and just keep rolling |
| 01:53.58 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: it say's 10 gig for sda1 but i created the partition to be 20 gig |
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| 01:54.47 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: originally, i made the partition to be 10gig from the machine i created this image from |
| 01:55.21 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: it says 40% used |
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| 01:56.37 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: pastebin it please to paste.debian.org |
| 01:56.41 | ompaul | sorry |
| 01:56.44 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: pastebin it please to paste.debian.net |
| 01:56.57 | JyZyXEL | how do you change the things that locale -k LC_TIME prints? |
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| 02:04.09 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/143073/ |
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| 02:04.50 | paranoidphreak | the system in question partition is: 20 giv |
| 02:04.56 | paranoidphreak | *giv |
| 02:05.00 | paranoidphreak | *gig |
| 02:05.21 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: I can only go by what I see please now do as root fdisk -l |
| 02:05.26 | ompaul | note lower case |
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| 02:07.20 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/143075/ |
| 02:07.34 | PhoenixSTF | hey can anyone tell me the difference between e2fsprogs 1.41 and 1.42 |
| 02:07.42 | scrote | gnite. |
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| 02:08.15 | gimpy138 | PhoenixSTF: The difference appears to be one minor version. |
| 02:08.35 | somiaj | PhoenixSTF: check the changelog for the actual differences |
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| 02:08.45 | PhoenixSTF | gimpy138, but is it faster algorithm? |
| 02:08.59 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: note your choice of blocks, 20480000 |
| 02:09.13 | somiaj | PhoenixSTF: f you have 1.42 installed /usr/share/docs/<pkgname> -- you can also look at packages.debian.org/<pkg name> for the changelog |
| 02:09.57 | PhoenixSTF | somiaj, the only thing i wanna is if it is faster doing a repair on clone multiply blocks |
| 02:10.00 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: ok..... |
| 02:11.09 | somiaj | PhoenixSTF: there could be optimnzation in speed, but more likely it won't be noticabally faster. Untilll you look at the actual changelog you won't know |
| 02:11.43 | ompaul | paranoidphreak: if you do df -g / you will find the block size written on screen |
| 02:11.46 | PhoenixSTF | somiaj, thanks m8, unfortnatly i got a mdadm raid 5 with 10K clone m b |
| 02:12.13 | PhoenixSTF | somiaj, it will take a year to get it done |
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| 02:14.09 | PhoenixSTF | somiaj, kown where can i talk to dev? |
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| 02:17.20 | paranoidphreak | ompaul: it gives me an error when i run the following command: "df -g /" invalid option -g |
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| 02:18.50 | paranoidphreak | but when i run just df, it says this: http://paste.debian.net/143077/ |
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| 02:20.47 | dvs | paranoidphreak: df -m / works though |
| 02:20.56 | JyZyXEL | isn't there a command that allows to easily change locale settings? |
| 02:21.18 | dvs | JyZyXEL: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 02:21.30 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't let you change anything |
| 02:21.42 | JyZyXEL | i wanna change LC_TIME formatings |
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| 02:23.24 | dvs | JyZyXEL: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 02:23.29 | paranoidphreak | ompaul, dvs: http://paste.debian.net/143078/ |
| 02:24.04 | JyZyXEL | that doesn't let you change it either |
| 02:24.14 | JyZyXEL | it just lets you select your timezone |
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| 02:28.37 | dvs | paranoidphreak: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php |
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| 02:29.26 | homekevin | Hey guys. A few times I've gotten my computer completely stuck at boot with a broken X config. It apparently restarts X forever, with no change (that I know of) for recovery. |
| 02:29.42 | homekevin | no chance for recovery I mean |
| 02:30.00 | homekevin | I think gdm 2 used to try 3 times then give up. |
| 02:30.03 | paranoidphreak | dvs: thanks |
| 02:30.21 | dvs | paranoidphreak: np |
| 02:30.28 | homekevin | Is there 1) a way to make it not retry indefinitely or 2) a way to recover? |
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| 02:31.11 | homekevin | Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't help because it switches back to the VT X is trying to use immediately. |
| 02:31.23 | dvs | homekevin: A way to recover is to use rescue mode |
| 02:31.59 | homekevin | dvs: I meant a way to stop X from restarting. |
| 02:32.09 | homekevin | ...other than pressing the reset button. |
| 02:32.42 | homekevin | I can of course fix the problem once I can get to a shell. |
| 02:33.00 | homekevin | And I can boot without X easily enough. |
| 02:33.14 | homekevin | It's just an annoyance that I can't break out of the restart loop. |
| 02:33.34 | dvs | homekevin: I gues /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the key to finding out why it's rebooting. |
| 02:34.20 | homekevin | dvs: Usually I can figure out what caused X to fail to start. That's not the problem. |
| 02:34.38 | homekevin | The problem is that I'm staring at a computer that won't accept any input. |
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| 02:35.22 | homekevin | That's not really accurate, it does accept input, but not enough to actually do anything with. |
| 02:35.52 | homekevin | E.g., if I lay on Ctrl-Alt-F1 I see the login prompt flicker on and off as it switches madly between VTs. |
| 02:36.22 | spade | This won't be a very exciting question for you: I installed Debian 5 stable like 3 years ago (I think). Is there some sort of "dist upgrade" process to get to Debian 6? Or is it just like from RHEL 5.5 to 5.7 where you just install the latest packages and you're there? |
| 02:36.44 | somiaj | !tell spade about lenny->squeeze |
| 02:37.06 | somiaj | spade: make sure you read the upgrade docs, there are some things that can go wrong with the upgrade. It works in most cases, but backup to be safe. |
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| 02:37.07 | dvs | !tell spade about ig |
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| 02:37.52 | Malsasa | Hello, Debian... |
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| 02:38.33 | spade | somiaj, dvs, thanks. |
| 02:38.42 | dvs | spade: np |
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| 02:39.06 | bintut | wave |
| 02:39.08 | bintut | hello all.. |
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| 02:40.12 | bintut | i was trying to troubleshoot my default $PATH while i am in gnome session using gnome-terminal and terminator. i'm using debian squeeze amd64 here. |
| 02:40.57 | Tekk_ | bintut: and then.....? |
| 02:40.58 | bintut | i just noticed that the output of "echo $PATH" of the console vs gnome-terminal are not the same. why is this so? any idea? |
| 02:41.04 | somiaj | bintut: why is it incorrect? Check .bashrc -- its usually set in there when you login to a terminal. |
| 02:41.27 | Tekk_ | bintut: because you probably did export PATH=""; |
| 02:41.33 | Tekk_ | in the terminal, not in your .bashrc |
| 02:41.45 | bintut | this is the first time i encountered such weird behavior.. |
| 02:41.53 | bintut | Tekk_, no. i didn't |
| 02:42.16 | Tekk_ | maybe the default shell in the term is different from the console.. |
| 02:43.12 | bintut | it's the same.. bash |
| 02:43.31 | bintut | this is just a newly setup debian squeeze amd64 |
| 02:43.52 | somiaj | bintut: you don't have some if..then clause that loads a different path? Do you have a copy of your .bashrc? |
| 02:44.00 | somiaj | bintut: mind putting it at paste.debian.net |
| 02:45.50 | bintut | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/143083/ |
| 02:47.18 | somiaj | bintut: your PATH isn't set there, if you set it there it should be the same in both places |
| 02:47.49 | somiaj | bintut: it could be that the logins are getting their default path from something else, check /etc/login.defs -- look for ENV_PATH that should be the default user path. |
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| 02:49.49 | bintut | # grep -i "^ENV_PATH" /etc/login.defs |
| 02:49.49 | bintut | ENV_PATHPATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 02:51.37 | somiaj | bintut: that s your default path..is hat the one you see in the console or gnome-terminal? |
| 02:52.05 | bintut | somiaj: gnome-terminal. in console, i have an additional path.. |
| 02:52.05 | somiaj | bintut: also what are the two different paths you are seeing, care to paste it? |
| 02:52.18 | somiaj | do you have /usr/sbin (and stuff lke that) in console? |
| 02:52.23 | somiaj | are you logging into the console as root? |
| 02:52.59 | bintut | in console, i have the additional: /usr/local/rvm/bin |
| 02:53.40 | bintut | somiaj: the difference between gnome-terminal and console is that, the console has an additional /usr/local/rvm/bin |
| 02:53.47 | somiaj | bintut: grep "rvm/bin" /etc/* -- see if you can find the culprite |
| 02:53.59 | somiaj | bintut: might want to also grep your home dir, look for a .profile |
| 02:54.47 | bintut | somiaj: basically, i want the /usr/local/rvm/bin to be in my path. i'm just wondering why gnome-terminal didn't inherit the additional path like in the console |
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| 02:55.23 | somiaj | bintut: well where did you set the path with /usr/local/rvm/bin? |
| 02:55.29 | somiaj | i.e. what file did you set that in |
| 02:56.07 | bintut | somiaj: i didn't. i mean, i just followed the multi-user install howto at http://beginrescueend.com/rvm/install/ |
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| 02:56.54 | somiaj | well something set that path somewhere, did you follow instructions to set it? |
| 02:57.10 | bintut | now, i just wonder why in gnome-terminal, it doesn't have the additional path. is there a specific profile that gnome-terminal read/load and that differs with what in the console? |
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| 02:58.27 | bintut | somiaj: yes. just did step 1 first because in step 2, i don't have the path on my gnome-terminal.. i was tracing the problem then when i checked from the console, the path is already there but still in gnome-terminal, it's not there. i already even rebooted my system.. :( |
| 02:58.29 | somiaj | bintut: it looks like they put the path in a file in /etc/profile.d -- do you se an RVM file that sets the path there? |
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| 02:58.42 | bintut | somiaj: yes, it's there. |
| 02:59.09 | bintut | somiaj: the point is, why from console the rvm path was added but not on gnome-terminal? |
| 02:59.09 | somiaj | bintut: try this. type 'source /etc/profile' then ECHO $PATH does it have the right path now? |
| 02:59.37 | bintut | somiaj: now, it's there |
| 02:59.44 | bintut | somiaj: so, what am i missing? |
| 03:00.26 | Tekk_ | is it possible to install off of a live debian image yet? |
| 03:00.42 | somiaj | bintut: have you logged out and restarted X since you installed rvm |
| 03:01.11 | somiaj | Tekk_: nope, though I think they should put debootstrap on the livecd's, then you can. (: |
| 03:01.11 | bintut | somiaj: as i've said a while ago, i even rebooted my system |
| 03:01.40 | Tekk_ | somiaj: yeah, basically any way would be great |
| 03:01.53 | Tekk_ | I HATE that my computer is useless for the hour or two while debian installs |
| 03:02.11 | bintut | somiaj: so, what am i missing here? do i need to add "source /etc/profile" somewhere that the gnome-terminal will be able to get the path? |
| 03:02.47 | somiaj | bintut: I think the issue is since you aren't logging in when you load a termina /etc/profile isn't parsed. You will ahve to add a 'source /etc/profile' in yoru '.bashrc' or better yet just 'source /etc/profile.d/rvm.sh' |
| 03:03.43 | bintut | somiaj: i did logged in. but anyway, thanks for your help. ;) |
| 03:03.45 | bintut | waves |
| 03:03.46 | somiaj | Tekk_: speed up your installs, (: |
| 03:04.10 | somiaj | bintut: no I mean the terminal doesn't parse /etc/profile (not sure why) |
| 03:04.45 | Tekk_ | somiaj: removing the desktop setting could help I guess |
| 03:05.19 | bintut | somiaj: thanks.. ;) |
| 03:05.48 | somiaj | bintut: man bash -- "When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from ~/.bashrc, |
| 03:05.52 | somiaj | if that file exists." |
| 03:06.27 | somiaj | Tekk_: just install a base system and then install the minimial things you want, so you have a system up before installing the rest of the stuff you'll use |
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| 03:08.19 | Tekk_ | somiaj: yeah |
| 03:08.32 | Tekk_ | irssi should install fast enough, from there I grab X, then emacs.... |
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| 03:09.11 | somiaj | Tekk_: screen to run irssi so you can seemsly move it to xterm once you get that far. |
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| 03:10.05 | somiaj | if your like me and use a simple wm over a full desktop it speeds thigns up. Or if you have a local copy of the packages, you can speed things up that way by skipping the dowload step |
| 03:10.30 | Tekk_ | somiaj: well irssi is only until emacs |
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| 03:11.41 | somiaj | silly emacs users |
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| 03:15.13 | Tekk_ | somiaj: also you should check out dvtm |
| 03:15.20 | Tekk_ | dvtm+screen is amazing |
| 03:15.42 | Tekk_ | (it's basically a tiling wm for the tty, so that way you have tiling and virtual desktops) |
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| 03:17.41 | spade | I have these two Linux images installed according to aptitude search linux-image: |
| 03:17.43 | spade | i A linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 03:17.43 | spade | i A linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 03:18.12 | spade | I just did an upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze. |
| 03:18.17 | spade | uname -r says |
| 03:18.18 | spade | er |
| 03:18.28 | dvs | spade: you didn't do it right |
| 03:18.33 | spade | uname -r says 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 03:19.20 | spade | uh oh |
| 03:19.38 | spade | The bot said: apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' -- but that won't work. |
| 03:19.49 | spade | That replaces the two first non-dash sequences, and leaves 686 |
| 03:19.54 | spade | So I didn't do that. |
| 03:20.10 | somiaj | spade: you want to install the linux-image-2.6.32-<what ever> image, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.32 |
| 03:20.12 | dvs | That's right |
| 03:20.24 | JyZyXEL | how do you make debian detect a custom locale? |
| 03:20.25 | dvs | !info linux-image-686 |
| 03:20.40 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux for modern PCs (dummy package)), section kernel, is optional. Version: 3.0.0+40 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 31 kB |
| 03:20.52 | JyZyXEL | say you've made: cp /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_US /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_US@custom |
| 03:21.15 | dvs | ,info linux-image-686 squeeze |
| 03:21.16 | judd | Package linux-image-686 (kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Linux for modern PCs (meta-package). Version: 2.6.32+29; Size: 4.3k; Installed: 48k |
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| 03:22.28 | spade | I removed volatile and left only main and security |
| 03:22.36 | spade | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 03:22.37 | spade | ? |
| 03:23.21 | dvs | spade: That will upgrade the kernel... once |
| 03:23.22 | somiaj | spade: and linux-image-686 would have just pointed at that, probbaly what the bot command does |
| 03:23.39 | spade | ah, yeah |
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| 03:24.28 | spade | Ah, right. |
| 03:24.31 | spade | The bot was right after all. |
| 03:24.56 | spade | It's just a clunky way of getting the architecture. |
| 03:24.57 | dvs | yup |
| 03:25.34 | TJNII | I'm preparing a VirtualBox Debian install to clone off as a base for a bunch of other machines. I've erased the ssh keys out of /etc/ssh/ but I see sshd has started without them. (Huh?) Does Debian put them in the initrd? |
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| 03:28.24 | skilz_ | checking for GTK... no |
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| 03:28.48 | skilz_ | configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.16) were not met: |
| 03:28.53 | somiaj | skilz_: what are you trying to configure. you can check the log to see why it couldn't find it. You most likely need the gtk-dev libary |
| 03:29.13 | skilz_ | What package do need to install to fix that? |
| 03:29.36 | somiaj | skilz_: libgtk2.0-de |
| 03:29.50 | somiaj | skilz_: libgtk2.0-dev -- again look for the -dev packges. What are you tyring to compiple? Is it a debian package? |
| 03:29.54 | nb-ben | where would php5 sources be under debian? |
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| 03:30.44 | somiaj | nb-ben: what do you mean? Do you want the source package for php5? You'll have to include a deb-src in your /etc/apt/sources.list and you can get them with apt-get source <pkg> |
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| 03:31.30 | spade | E: Couldn't find package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:31.32 | JyZyXEL | echo "en_US@custom UTF-8" >> /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED; echo "en_US@custom UTF-8" >> /etc/locale.gen; locale-gen; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:31.37 | JyZyXEL | does it really need to be that hard |
| 03:32.04 | somiaj | spade: add the non-free sources to your /etc/apt/sources list |
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| 03:32.18 | JyZyXEL | making a custom locale wasn't easy either because of the unicode code points |
| 03:32.22 | somiaj | spade: in squeeze debian has taken the non-free binary blobs out of the kernel and put them in a seperate package |
| 03:32.30 | skilz_ | somiaj, http://softwarebakery.com/maato/volumeicon.html Thats what im trying to compile |
| 03:32.31 | spade | I see... |
| 03:32.32 | nb-ben | somiaj: shouldn't php5-dev provide the include libraries to develop extensions? |
| 03:32.33 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: locales are just overly confusing. |
| 03:32.53 | somiaj | nb-ben: yes that should include all the header files to link against the phplibs. |
| 03:33.05 | nb-ben | alright, ill just look for them |
| 03:33.07 | nb-ben | thank you somiaj |
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| 03:37.03 | spade | somiaj, so I add deb http://something.debian.org/ squeeze/non-free main ? |
| 03:37.37 | somiaj | spade: no just add 'non-free' to the end f your list |
| 03:37.53 | somiaj | spade: make a contrib too, so something like deb http://foo squeeze main non-free contrib |
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| 03:38.18 | skilz_ | checking for ALSA... no |
| 03:38.19 | skilz_ | configure: error: Package requirements (alsa) were not met: |
| 03:38.19 | skilz_ | No package 'alsa' found |
| 03:38.23 | spade | oh, ok |
| 03:38.25 | skilz_ | Now what do I need? |
| 03:38.58 | somiaj | skilz_: libasound2-dev I think is the alsa headers |
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| 03:39.52 | blast_hardcheese | What's the equivalent of sun-java6-jre in wheezy? |
| 03:40.05 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: sun java was removed, you'll want openjdk |
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| 03:40.32 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: I don't want openjdk, I'll grab it from upstream |
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| 03:40.59 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know how to configure display managers, I am stuck with no display manager ? |
| 03:41.32 | shirish | actually I am supposed to have lightdm as the display manager but it is not functioning/doesn't work. |
| 03:41.33 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: yea sun-java seems like it is no longer in debian non-free, if you want sun java you're left on your own. You could try snapshot.deban.net (or wereever they hide them) if you want the last version before they were removed. |
| 03:41.49 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 03:41.49 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 03:42.01 | in2tactics | shirish: that is kind of a broad question, are you using stable or wheezy and what packages did you start with? |
| 03:42.21 | somiaj | shirish: I have never heard of lightdm, is it a debian package? |
| 03:42.22 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: Many thanks; Looks like I can grab the binaries from oracle, I'll package them with checkinstall. |
| 03:42.42 | shirish | in2tactics: I am on debian sid actually. |
| 03:43.06 | somiaj | hmm, I see lightdm, check /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 03:43.18 | spade | I think I did everything the bot asked. Maybe I should just try rebooting... |
| 03:43.30 | spade | i A linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs |
| 03:43.34 | spade | I have that kernel. |
| 03:43.43 | dvs | and udev? |
| 03:43.46 | shirish | in2tactis: looking btw I'm on a console :P |
| 03:43.47 | spade | yep, udev I did |
| 03:43.50 | spade | It upgraded some stuff. |
| 03:43.56 | dvs | then reboot |
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| 03:43.59 | spade | And it changed disks to UUID |
| 03:44.09 | spade | got firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:44.15 | spade | it had three firmware warnings |
| 03:44.19 | skilz_ | whats a really lite mp3 player? |
| 03:44.21 | skilz_ | gtk |
| 03:44.23 | in2tactics | shirish: have you installed any X related packages to include WMs/DMs? |
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| 03:45.30 | shirish | in2tactics: just lightdm but that too because its now included in task-gnome-desktop and task-xfce-desktop. |
| 03:46.18 | shirish | in2tactics: when it installed it asked me for default display manager and had given me the option for choosing between gdm3,kdm (I have some bits of KDE installed too) and lightdm |
| 03:46.48 | in2tactics | shirish: and you chose lightdm? |
| 03:46.57 | shirish | in2tactics: the output of /etc/X11/default-display-manager is /usr/sbin/lightdm |
| 03:46.59 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: yea I'm just using the old removed packages. I should see if openJDK fits my needs, but hope they make (or I guess remake) a javapackager that will get the sources from orcale and turn it into a debian package (or install it). |
| 03:48.04 | in2tactics | shirish: do you get any errors when X tries to load? |
| 03:48.44 | shirish | in2tactics: nope, no errors, all I see is a blinking cursor, no desktop at all :( |
| 03:53.18 | in2tactics | shirish: you can try dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and then try to restart X |
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| 03:53.41 | shirish | in2tactics: trying . |
| 03:54.29 | shirish | in2tactics: rebooting the system and trying. |
| 03:56.10 | simonlnu | why restart system? *sigh* |
| 03:57.15 | in2tactics | i wasn't paying attention, i guess he wasn't aware that you don't have to (this is not winblows) |
| 03:57.38 | simonlnu | been using unix since 2002 |
| 03:57.42 | rotflcopter | ah, i was outside, saw a hotgirl with miniskirt and short top.... was thinking about giving her my pullover ;/ |
| 03:58.10 | mvv | what's a pullover? |
| 03:58.15 | in2tactics | simonlnu: i've been using some variant of linux since 1999 :) back then i used slackware though |
| 03:58.26 | bjorkintosh | rotflcopter, that would have been silly. |
| 03:58.41 | bjorkintosh | long clothes are cheaper than short clothes; she knew what she was doing. |
| 03:59.06 | rotflcopter | she will catch a cold and have problems... |
| 03:59.43 | bjorkintosh | yes. which you won't have to deal with. |
| 04:00.14 | spade | dvs, somiaj, it seems to have booted. It's on 2.6.32-5. Now apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 04:00.29 | dvs | spade: yes |
| 04:00.33 | in2tactics | mvv: pullover is anything you can wear on-top of your regular clothes eg - sweater |
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| 04:00.43 | somiaj | spade: (: |
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| 04:01.58 | simonlnu | in2tactics: cool =) |
| 04:02.06 | spade | 800 megasized bytes to retrieve |
| 04:03.18 | in2tactics | simonlnu: debian has been fun, i prefer not to have to compile all of my packages anymore as i also had to do with gentoo |
| 04:04.46 | skilz_ | Error: pm-utils not installed.................... X |
| 04:04.56 | skilz_ | but I have the package pm-utils installed |
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| 04:19.12 | gasull | !thingstobackup |
| 04:19.25 | gasull | !backup |
| 04:19.26 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 04:19.47 | gasull | !things to backup |
| 04:19.48 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
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| 04:21.20 | gasull | Hi. I've been backing up my system with BackInTime, for the directories recommended in !things to backup. I bought a new hard drive, installed the new system, and then tried to restore with BackInTime. The end result is that the system is unusable. How do I restore a backed up system? |
| 04:22.35 | somiaj | gasull: did you back up /bin, /usr/bin, i.e. the binaries? If you only backedu up /var, you'll have to get the package list and reinstall your os. You just backed up the data |
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| 04:25.44 | gasull | somiaj: OK. So what are the steps? I guess they are: (1) Install the OS. (2) restore the package list and do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade (3) restore backup. Am I right? |
| 04:26.18 | somiaj | gasull: correct, you just backuped the personal data. |
| 04:26.52 | somiaj | gasull: I wouldn't actually copy the /var/lib/dpkg onto your new install, only use it to get the package list. And only copy the actual data you want from the backup. |
| 04:27.22 | acu | I want to connect two LAN (locations) conected through a 16MB/S down/2 MB UP = and I want to connect them through VPN - what equipment anyone can recommend to place at each end (there are around 20 workstations on each side - but the trafic is relatively limited between those two networks) |
| 04:28.31 | gasull | somiaj: I want my system to look just like the old one, but with a my new faster and larger hard drive. How can I know what I need? I backed up what is recommended by !things to backup. |
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| 04:38.25 | OldParr | brasero creates jpeg files that when openned launches an error (Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x00 0x00) |
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| 04:41.55 | somiaj | gasull: do you still have the old system running just fine? |
| 04:43.37 | somiaj | gasull: I would boot up off a livedisc, partition the new drive, then rsync the old root parttion (and any other patitions you want) to the new drive |
| 04:43.45 | somiaj | gasull: well make a newfile system first |
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| 04:46.57 | gasull | somiaj: Thanks. I'm going to try first with the steps above, I'm actually reinstalling the OS now. I don't understand what's the purpose of any backup system if it isn't for this kind of situations. |
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| 04:53.18 | OldParr | brasero creates jpeg files that when openned launches an error (Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x00 0x00) |
| 04:54.47 | somiaj | gasull: you are backing up your data, not your system. |
| 04:54.53 | somiaj | gasull: there is a difference. |
| 04:55.35 | gasull | somiaj: but if I install the SO, then the packages, isn't the data the only thing left? |
| 04:56.19 | somiaj | gasull: correct. |
| 04:56.43 | somiaj | gasull: for the most part the data is the part people cannot recover. The os is avaiilabe online. But if you don't want to reinstall the whole system you can back up the whole system |
| 04:56.56 | Tekk_ | somiaj: you cursed me |
| 04:57.14 | Tekk_ | the debian installer will only give me the base system now |
| 04:57.39 | Tekk_ | how do I enable a cd repo? |
| 04:57.49 | Tekk_ | when I uncomment and update it ignores |
| 04:57.50 | somiaj | Tekk_: apt-cdrom or something like that |
| 04:58.06 | OldParr | i need a debian live CD with xcfe --- not a DVD is this not available ? |
| 04:58.20 | OldParr | i found only DVDs |
| 04:58.46 | gasull | somiaj: thank you. I'm almost done with the OS install. |
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| 04:59.10 | somiaj | OldParr: might have to make your own the iso I think is just about 800Megs which is slightly to big for a cd |
| 05:00.10 | OldParr | somiaj: is there any live with any desktop fits in a CD ? |
| 05:00.56 | ectospasm | is booting from a USB thumb drive not an option? |
| 05:01.01 | Tekk_ | wait.... |
| 05:01.16 | Tekk_ | I think something is wrong with the weekly testing build |
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| 05:01.29 | Tekk_ | the sum checks out, but it doesn't have X |
| 05:01.35 | Tekk_ | twm yes, X no |
| 05:02.10 | OldParr | ectospasm: i need something cheaper |
| 05:02.41 | somiaj | seems all of lenny (oldstables) iso's are made to be cd only, even a gnome is at 700M for a cdiamage |
| 05:03.10 | somiaj | You may have to make a custom livecd though for squeeze, seems the defaults are just slihgtly to big for one cd |
| 05:03.21 | ectospasm | OldParr: I dunno, a USB thumb drive can be had for like five USD, and is reusable. |
| 05:03.22 | somiaj | well premade ones |
| 05:03.31 | Tekk_ | how dead am I if I install squeeze then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 05:03.51 | ectospasm | Tekk_: not dead at all, I've done that before. |
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| 05:03.57 | OldParr | somiaj: but if you install from one of those lives you will be installling lenny ( old o.s. ) |
| 05:03.59 | somiaj | Tekk_: what do you mean? Is your cd1 squeeze and you updated to wheezy? |
| 05:04.11 | somiaj | OldParr: debian live cd's are not installers |
| 05:04.16 | somiaj | OldParr: if you want an installer get cd1.iso |
| 05:04.20 | Tekk_ | somiaj: no, my wheezy iso doesn't have X apparently |
| 05:04.26 | Tekk_ | and the md5sum checks out |
| 05:04.30 | somiaj | Tekk_: no network connenction? |
| 05:04.35 | Tekk_ | somiaj: nope |
| 05:04.56 | Tekk_ | tried getting that together but wlan0 wasn't created even after modprobes |
| 05:04.58 | somiaj | Tekk_: you can download the pacakges and copy them over. |
| 05:05.05 | Tekk_ | somiaj: tried that ;) |
| 05:05.10 | somiaj | Tekk_: dmesg -- are you just missing a non-free firmware package? |
| 05:05.21 | Tekk_ | somiaj: installing the fw was the first thing I did |
| 05:05.24 | somiaj | Tekk_: most likely all you need to get wlan0 working. I would just get that working then do the rest over the net |
| 05:05.25 | OldParr | somiaj: i think i remember an "install to hard drive option" in the debian live cds |
| 05:05.40 | somiaj | OldParr: sure you arne't thinking ubuntu. |
| 05:05.47 | Tekk_ | somiaj: installed firmware, got wireless-tools and wpa, along with all deps |
| 05:05.57 | Tekk_ | the install is doa, essentially |
| 05:06.15 | Tekk_ | anyone have a chance to reproduce? |
| 05:06.26 | Tekk_ | xfce+lxde iso, lateste weekly for wheezy |
| 05:07.05 | OldParr | somiaj: i can not remember clearly, ... may be |
| 05:07.31 | somiaj | OldParr: I don't think the default live debian images are installers, they are just live systems. Just grab cd1.iso and install with that. |
| 05:07.47 | somiaj | Tekk_: its testing...fix it!! That is half the fun (: |
| 05:07.57 | OldParr | somiaj: i remember clearly now, there is such option in debian |
| 05:08.23 | OldParr | it installs to hard drive |
| 05:08.51 | Tekk_ | somiaj: I've been trying for hours ;) |
| 05:09.02 | Tekk_ | I'd rather just give the gnome cd a shot and see if it's equally borked |
| 05:09.03 | somiaj | OldParr: well people eariler today were saying that the debian live CD's are not installers. |
| 05:09.19 | Tekk_ | somiaj: no, I was asking if they had installers yet |
| 05:09.20 | OldParr | the are wrong |
| 05:09.26 | somiaj | Tekk_: I'd grab the hd, debootstrap the os to it, chroot install the stuff you want, then plug the hd back in and boot it. |
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| 05:14.37 | somiaj | OldParr: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ -- seems some are live installers, some are not. A live cd need not have install options. (: |
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| 05:16.23 | OldParr | somiaj: what i need is one squeeze live that fits on a cd with or without installing option |
| 05:16.47 | mvv | its trivial to make your own livecd |
| 05:17.02 | somiaj | OldParr: grab the 'rescue' or 'standard' image...though it looks like there are none built with a desktop for that size, so you may have to build your own |
| 05:17.40 | OldParr | nice idea |
| 05:17.54 | OldParr | if it is easy maybe i'll do it |
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| 05:24.57 | spade | sigh, it never came back up after the dist-upgrade |
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| 05:25.33 | spade | It's just a workstation, so no iLO or other pre-OS remoting. |
| 05:25.43 | somiaj | spade: what sort of errors? |
| 05:25.47 | spade | No errors... |
| 05:25.52 | spade | That's why I just rebooted it. |
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| 05:26.06 | spade | I have no idea what's on the "screen" now. |
| 05:26.16 | spade | It's at work, 30 km away. |
| 05:26.30 | spade | It's in a patch cable closet at a hospital. ;) |
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| 05:26.58 | spade | Grub said it found the kernel.. |
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| 05:27.35 | spade | Not much to do, I guess. |
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| 05:28.56 | somiaj | yea if its not comming up you may need physical access to rescue it |
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| 05:30.04 | spade | yep |
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| 05:32.18 | jqy | hi guys, any way to install a software if the ./configure command doesn't work? |
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| 05:34.33 | mvv | sure. |
| 05:34.51 | mvv | what are you installing? |
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| 05:35.40 | tensorpudding | jqy, read the INSTALL file if it exists, the README if it exists, the docs on the website if they exist, the help page on the website if it exists |
| 05:35.48 | OldParr | how do i modify a bug report i can not find the modify option |
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| 05:36.07 | tensorpudding | jqy, it's entirely possible it uses something other than configure |
| 05:36.15 | mvv | OldParr: i wonder if they're append only |
| 05:36.28 | tensorpudding | like just having a Makefile |
| 05:36.42 | tensorpudding | or using a less common build system like cmake, scons, jam |
| 05:36.53 | tensorpudding | or it might be in a language like python and have a setup.py script |
| 05:37.11 | tensorpudding | there's too many different ways for source to be built |
| 05:37.14 | mvv | or it might be a .msi or .exe |
| 05:37.18 | tensorpudding | it could have an install.sh that does everything |
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| 05:37.36 | tensorpudding | maybe it's ruby and uses rake? i don't know |
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| 05:38.14 | jqy | sorry for the delay. yes, there is a install.sh but i don't know how to make it work |
| 05:38.16 | mvv | maybe its a saved html page of the sites Download.html |
| 05:38.52 | jqy | *install-sh it is |
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| 05:39.10 | lfs | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2011-11-05 19:35 FreeAgent\x20GoFlex\x20Drive -> ../../sdc1 |
| 05:39.23 | lfs | does the \x mean space? |
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| 05:39.55 | tensorpudding | jqy, read the docs |
| 05:40.14 | jqy | imho is x20 that means space in some URL code |
| 05:40.30 | jqy | it says ./configuge; make; make install |
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| 05:50.31 | rubin110 | Anyone know of any cheap shared VPS hosts like Dreamhost that run off of Debian? |
| 05:51.09 | ham5 | google cheap vps hosts? |
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| 05:51.33 | rubin110 | ham5: It's a large pain to google up what distro they're running. |
| 05:53.09 | dioz_ | your mom is a large pain |
| 05:53.10 | dioz_ | OOOOH |
| 05:53.12 | dioz_ | SICK BURN |
| 05:53.35 | rubin110 | I hope not, she's been dead for a few years now. |
| 05:53.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | dioz_: please keep it on topic |
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| 05:54.25 | dioz_ | rubin110: check lowendbox.com |
| 05:55.06 | rubin110 | Thanks. |
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| 06:09.35 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 06:09.57 | man_in_shack | apart from trying a large transfer, is there a way to see if there's a gigabit lan connection between two computers? |
| 06:13.24 | henchman24 | just scp something |
| 06:13.27 | henchman24 | :P |
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| 06:13.53 | henchman24 | doesnt have to be huge but substantial |
| 06:16.40 | man_in_shack | well the transfer rate i got was 12MB/s and i'm wondering if it's a hardware bottleneck |
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| 06:19.52 | mand0 | don't click |
| 06:19.58 | thenickperson | ...... damnit. |
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| 06:20.54 | thenickperson | I have a problem installing graphics drivers if you guys wouldn't mind giving me a hand |
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| 06:22.13 | man_in_shack | bah |
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| 06:29.57 | thenickperson | hm? |
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| 06:34.10 | ham5 | most ppl that come here have 'problems' thenick, why dont you state your problem instead of just telling us you have one. |
| 06:34.53 | thenickperson | alright |
| 06:34.53 | thenickperson | I'm trying to reinstall my graphics drivers with this (http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary) tutorial. in the "# aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver" step, I get a ton of options. what should I do? and want to see a pastebin of the output? |
| 06:35.26 | ham5 | the drivers in the repository dont suit you? |
| 06:35.28 | erawfish_ | yes, a pastebin would be good |
| 06:36.23 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: ethtool, dmesg output, etc. those should show you how fast the connection is usually |
| 06:37.20 | thenickperson | ham5: I'd like to use the proprietary ones. 3D games do nothing but crash for me without them. |
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| 06:38.47 | erawfish_ | !tell thenickperson about bat |
| 06:38.52 | thenickperson | damnit, pastebin is down |
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| 06:39.15 | coppermine | Unpacking replacement libusb-dev ... |
| 06:39.17 | coppermine | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libusb-dev_2%3a0.1.12-16_armel.deb (--unpack): unable to create updated files list file for package libusb-dev: Input/output error |
| 06:39.17 | dpkg | coppermine: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 06:39.19 | erawfish_ | !paste |
| 06:39.20 | coppermine | can this be fixed? |
| 06:39.29 | erawfish_ | thenickperson: paste.debian.net |
| 06:39.38 | thenickperson | thanks |
| 06:39.38 | coppermine | its jsut a 1 line |
| 06:40.00 | erawfish_ | coppermine: check if your harddisk has a hardware error |
| 06:40.06 | coppermine | fsck partition? |
| 06:40.23 | erawfish_ | I said check for hardware error |
| 06:40.25 | man_in_shack | grr |
| 06:40.31 | man_in_shack | i have a dnsmasq server set up |
| 06:41.01 | thenickperson | http://paste.debian.net/143109/ |
| 06:41.14 | man_in_shack | **** it, i'll keep working on this |
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| 06:41.51 | thenickperson | to specify, I'm on crunchbang statler with packages from debian wheezy/unstable (crunchbang is based off debian) |
| 06:42.10 | erawfish_ | !crunchbang |
| 06:42.10 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 06:42.18 | man_in_shack | is there a way to say in resolv.conf "only ask this server for stuff in local domain"? |
| 06:42.28 | erawfish_ | thenickperson: go to the crunchbang channel(s) please |
| 06:43.43 | thenickperson | I understand. I've already asked in the crunchbang channel, and nobody was around. I have followed this exact guide before on this same version of crunchbang before, and I had it working. since it was more of a debian thing, I figured I could get support here, since I did not have to do anything that I wouldn't have done on debian. |
| 06:44.08 | erawfish_ | !they don't know |
| 06:44.08 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 06:45.00 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: what you ask is a DNS server thing: the server itself needs to limit requests for outside |
| 06:45.02 | thenickperson | it's essentially the same issue regardless, though. I would like help on this one issue. |
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| 06:45.26 | Hydroxide | thenickperson: a slight elaboration of why #debian policy is the way it is: if a distro is based on debian, we have no way of knowing what they change, or what they add, or what other differences might exist. we can't effectively spend time on that. yes, sometime that does apply to graphics drivers, and no, we don't treat ubuntu any differently |
| 06:45.41 | erawfish_ | thenickperson: then ask a channel where it's on topic. the crunchbang ones or ##linux. this channel it's not and you won't get help, sorry |
| 06:45.47 | man_in_shack | erawfish_: the problem is that there are isp dnses in the resolv.conf and no way to tell the modem not to do that |
| 06:45.48 | Hydroxide | (we redirect ubuntu users to #ubuntu, I mean) |
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| 06:46.22 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: you can do whatever you want with your resolv.conf. the modem cannot force your resolv.conf entries |
| 06:46.49 | Hydroxide | erawfish_: dhcp client stuff typically does that by default, but yes, it can be avoided or disabled |
| 06:47.02 | man_in_shack | what Hydroxide said |
| 06:47.24 | man_in_shack | maybe i should use dnsmasq as dhcp server as well, and get the modem to forward dchp requests there |
| 06:47.29 | erawfish_ | yes, he said you can change your dhcp config. which I know. see /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 06:47.33 | Hydroxide | man_in_shack: do you want to pay any attention to what settings the dhcp server provides, and maybe combine them with other things? or do you want to ignore them totally? |
| 06:47.38 | man_in_shack | that way i wouldn't need to &^*# around with EVERY DHCP CLIENT |
| 06:47.59 | man_in_shack | Hydroxide: i don't want to have to fiddle with dhcp client connections for every computer that goes on the lan |
| 06:48.10 | man_in_shack | especially when i have authorised visitors |
| 06:48.18 | Hydroxide | ah, in that case, yes, you should run a dhcp server or configure your router (which may be your modem)'s dhcp server options |
| 06:48.18 | machine2 | i have A VIRUS I THINK |
| 06:48.32 | man_in_shack | machine2: stop using windows then |
| 06:48.34 | machine2 | WHT DO I DO I HVE A VIRUS |
| 06:48.37 | erawfish_ | machine2: and what makes you think that? |
| 06:48.49 | erawfish_ | machine2: and please disable your caps lock again |
| 06:48.59 | machine2 | sorry |
| 06:49.02 | man_in_shack | Hydroxide: yeah, modem, dhcp server and router are all the same physical device atm |
| 06:49.04 | Hydroxide | machine2: are you running debian on the machine that may have a virus? if not, please seek help from a more appropriate channel |
| 06:49.33 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: is it a linux capable router? e.g. I can run dnsmasq on mine if I want to. |
| 06:49.41 | Hydroxide | man_in_shack: ok. so either configure the modem's dhcp server to do what you want, or simply disable its dhcp server and run another one on the LAN. you don't have to configure the modem to forward dhcp |
| 06:50.04 | machine2 | ok |
| 06:50.15 | machine2 | thnks |
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| 06:51.32 | Hydroxide | machine2: there's nothing about dhcp that specifically contacts the modem/router by default. it just broadcasts to the whole lan (unless a more sophisticated high-end switch filters that out) and reacts to the first response |
| 06:51.43 | Hydroxide | err, man_in_shack that was for you not machine2 ^^^ |
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| 06:57.00 | jokar | hello all |
| 06:57.02 | jokar | all: |
| 06:57.12 | jokar | i install tor on my debian 6 but it is not work |
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| 06:57.27 | jokar | i use vidalia |
| 06:57.55 | jokar | my tor icon is green but not work on chrome or iceweasel |
| 06:58.00 | jokar | what should i do? |
| 06:59.11 | erawfish_ | you should first stop maltreating your enter key. next you check if tor runs and listens on any port |
| 06:59.47 | jokar | erawfish_: i use 8118 port |
| 06:59.51 | erawfish_ | are you using the debian vidalia packages? |
| 06:59.57 | jokar | yeah |
| 07:00.19 | erawfish_ | didn't ask what you use but what the software listens on. use netstat please |
| 07:01.54 | jokar | i use netstat -na |
| 07:02.32 | jokar | netstat -na | grep 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:03.29 | erawfish_ | grep for the port 8118 instead, not localhost |
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| 07:04.33 | jokar | erawfish_: i find it i should use 8123 port |
| 07:04.40 | jokar | :) |
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| 07:05.18 | jokar | erawfish_: but not bypass my filtering |
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| 07:06.16 | jokar | erawfish_: what should i do? how find tor ports? |
| 07:07.41 | erawfish_ | check if tor and/or your proxy actually run with ps. you can also run as root netstat -ntalp |
| 07:08.50 | jokar | yes tor is running and listen on port 9051 |
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| 07:10.50 | erawfish_ | then what is your problem? |
| 07:12.02 | jokar | my tor not work and not bypass my filtering |
| 07:13.07 | jokar | when i use 9051 port my browser show me "514 Authentication required." |
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| 07:14.55 | jokar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:18.37 | jokar | can you help me? |
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| 07:18.43 | jokar | :-/ |
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| 07:21.45 | skilz | Anyone aware of a light weight gtk mp3 player |
| 07:22.24 | omid8bimo | hey, anybody knows any command/utility to determind a video files's meta info (specifically the quality in terms of 1080p or 720p etc) |
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| 07:25.35 | somiaj | mplayer lists that info when it plays it. |
| 07:27.04 | omid8bimo | somiaj: yeah, but i just want to know if the file is 1080p or 720p etc |
| 07:27.37 | zykotick9 | omid8bimo, use mplayer from cli, it will tell you |
| 07:28.31 | omid8bimo | ok |
| 07:28.34 | omid8bimo | it says : VIDEO: [H264] 1920x1080 24bpp 24.000 fps 4793.4 kbps (585.1 kbyte/s) |
| 07:28.47 | somiaj | isn't that what you wanted...(: |
| 07:28.50 | omid8bimo | so it this 1080p or 720p or someting else |
| 07:29.11 | somiaj | 1920x1080 is the resolution, which is 1080p |
| 07:29.45 | omid8bimo | all right. thats what i was searching for. tnx |
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| 07:42.31 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:42.53 | superlinux | in VLC i notice that this radio is playing very fast on the default tempo http://listen.sky.fm/webplayer/smoothjazz247.pls. I have Gnome Mplayer. it plays it normally. http://listen.sky.fm/webplayer/smoothjazz247.pls. fixing the lowering of the tempo does not help |
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| 07:52.00 | ham5 | using dpkg-buildpackage wher do i stick the -j8 if i want to use all my cores? |
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| 07:52.16 | fishhead | found this new channel for debian and other distros for chatting here http://linuxdistroteamspeakcommunity.blogspot.com/ |
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| 07:58.41 | man_in_shack | dnsmasq dhcp server set up |
| 07:58.48 | man_in_shack | and suddenly resolves are a LOT faster :D |
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| 07:59.55 | kleanchap | I am installing Debian for the first time. The install did not prompt me for what packages to install. Right now, it is installing the base system. Is there a package selection phase during the initial install? |
| 08:00.40 | somiaj | kleanchap: after the base system is installed it will run tasksel, in whihc you can chooe groups of packages to be instealled |
| 08:01.05 | somiaj | kleanchap: though the base system is enough to just not run tasksel and use aptitude to install the packages you want. |
| 08:02.06 | kleanchap | somiaj, Thnx. I thought I am missing something when I went to get my coffee. :-) |
| 08:03.35 | somiaj | kleanchap: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel if you want a list of the dfferent groups of packages |
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| 08:07.08 | man_in_shack | need better cables :D |
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| 08:20.51 | nsadmin | it's not "suddenly" since you know how and why the problem has been dealt with... it's not a mystery |
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| 08:50.17 | jokar | all: |
| 08:50.19 | jokar | hello |
| 08:50.40 | jokar | can i use VMware vSphere Client in debian? |
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| 08:51.09 | jokar | :-/ |
| 08:52.43 | jelly-home | jokar: did they make a vsphere client for linux? |
| 08:53.00 | jokar | nah |
| 08:53.03 | skilz | Hey I have a have a old Pentium 4 IBM Thinkpad, It has 3 volume keys on it, up, down and mute. When I run xev and press the keys nothing happens, why is this? |
| 08:53.56 | skilz | They keys worked in windows |
| 08:54.49 | erawfish_ | skilz: thinkwiki knows |
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| 08:59.42 | skilz | erawfish_: Theres nothing about it there |
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| 09:04.38 | somiaj | skilz: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_special_keys_to_work |
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| 09:18.14 | lzskiss | yo |
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| 09:23.40 | Zitter | hi, is it possible to install 2.6.39 kernel on stable? |
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| 09:24.11 | Zitter | I have .32 but I need .39 because of this: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc#supported |
| 09:24.26 | ajikeshi | Zitter, build the kernel yourself |
| 09:24.49 | rozie | I'd use kernel from backports.debian.org |
| 09:24.52 | Zitter | mmm, I prefer apt way |
| 09:25.13 | Zitter | rozie, no problem? |
| 09:25.16 | rozie | Zitter: you can make your own deb with kernel. it's easy |
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| 09:25.41 | in2tactics | Zitter: backports is def your best bet, there is a copy of 2.6.38 and 2.6.39 there |
| 09:25.43 | rozie | Zitter: can't tell. I use kernel from unstable on stable... |
| 09:25.50 | Zitter | yes, but I'm sure I forget to install some driver or whatever and I need to use this PC for work |
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| 09:26.11 | rozie | you can have more than one kernel |
| 09:26.16 | rozie | and choose in grub |
| 09:26.18 | Zitter | :-) |
| 09:26.36 | rozie | give bacports a try. the fastest and the easiest way IMO |
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| 09:27.16 | Zitter | yes, when I work I need to access to Internet. Without wireless I cannot get it. So Debian without internet is not very useful for me ;) |
| 09:27.32 | Zitter | ok, I'm trying backport |
| 09:28.19 | muszek | hi... I want to back up my stuff to a local server before I reinstall another distro. I want to backup /etc and /var. Would you recommend to do it with some tool, or simply copy those two over ssh? |
| 09:28.43 | boudiccas | muszek; rsync |
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| 09:29.24 | muszek | boudiccas: thanks. |
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| 09:32.45 | rozie | muszek: take a look on http://dug.net.pl/tekst/172/proste_migawki_systemu_z_apt_clone/ (pl) |
| 09:33.31 | rozie | btw restoring whole /var may cause problems |
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| 09:34.22 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 09:34.23 | rozie | for sure it will cause problems if you have package list to install and you restore /var before installing packages |
| 09:34.34 | man_in_shack | is there a way to blacklist a specific usb-storage device from being registered? |
| 09:34.40 | kleanchap | For a complete install of Debian, how much disk space you need? Which filesystem uses the most diskspace? |
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| 09:35.18 | nevyn | kleanchap: define complete. |
| 09:35.49 | kleanchap | desktop tools, web, mail, file, print server etc etc. |
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| 09:37.30 | kleanchap | If I choose to install gnome and kde which are resource hungry...wil they all fit on to a 8 GB partitionn? |
| 09:37.36 | muszek | rozie: thanks. I mainly need mysql databases from /var, not going to restore everything (not from /etc, either) |
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| 09:38.41 | rozie | kleanchap: well, you don't need that full installation. typical desktop is below 10GB, 30GB would be very save IMO |
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| 09:39.44 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: registered in what way? |
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| 09:40.05 | kleanchap | which filesystem uses most memory? i.e. excluding /usr directory. |
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| 09:40.36 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: /var and /home |
| 09:40.53 | man_in_shack | erawfish_: prevent usb-storage module from trying to do anything with it |
| 09:40.56 | rozie | and /usr |
| 09:41.09 | man_in_shack | this particular device is dodgy and i can't just unplug it because it's built into a printer |
| 09:41.20 | man_in_shack | so the printer doesn't work if usb-storage is loaded |
| 09:41.28 | erawfish_ | !doesn't work |
| 09:41.28 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 09:41.52 | man_in_shack | erawfish_: < man_in_shack> so the printer doesn't work if usb-storage is loaded |
| 09:42.13 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: you need to be a lot more clear what happens and what exactly you want to prevent if you want help |
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| 09:42.30 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/648258/ << dmesg gets flooded with this |
| 09:42.42 | kleanchap | Why does Debian take so long to install? |
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| 09:43.16 | EmleyMoor | kleanchap: So long as compared to what? |
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| 09:43.32 | kleanchap | Slackware |
| 09:43.37 | kleanchap | Fedora |
| 09:43.39 | erawfish_ | man_in_shack: you could blacklist the module(s) but that would affect all usb storage devices |
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| 09:44.12 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: what part takes too long? |
| 09:44.17 | kleanchap | 45 minutes and still going....it is at 47% complete. |
| 09:44.22 | man_in_shack | erawfish_: yeah, that's what i was doing, but now i need usb-storage again |
| 09:44.35 | EmleyMoor | No experience of Slackware and I would doubt, for a similar setup, it takes longer than Fedora |
| 09:44.57 | kleanchap | I hope the install is not going over the network. I am using the full DVD 1 for this install. |
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| 09:49.12 | kleanchap | 49% ....Woo Hoo :) |
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| 09:58.43 | kleanchap | Does the desktop install include gnome & kde or only gnome? |
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| 10:07.56 | mah454 | what package or script install /etc/issue ? |
| 10:08.05 | rly | What is a good book to read about Linux networking, such that everything documented by man route actually becomes easy to understand as opposed to having to search for answers on the Internet (which I don't like to do). |
| 10:09.00 | rly | So, basically it should have pretty networking pictures with some examples for configuration files written by someone good. |
| 10:11.30 | boudiccas | rly; thats twice you've mentioned 'good'. What do you mean by it please? |
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| 10:11.53 | rly | boudiccas: someone who can both write and knows his stuff. |
| 10:12.19 | rly | boudiccas: there are lots of mathematics books for example, but only some are written by people with a clue on both educating people and mathematics. |
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| 10:16.20 | nsadmin | rly "Internetworking with TCP/IP" vols 1,2,3 |
| 10:17.09 | nsadmin | do you understand what bitwise logic operations are? |
| 10:17.35 | rly | nsadmin: yes |
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| 10:17.58 | rly | nsadmin: I have a CS degree, I just want some extra practical knowledge. |
| 10:18.09 | rly | nsadmin: so, I know how everything works.. in theory. |
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| 10:18.52 | Bushmills | where does your aversion against searching for information come from? |
| 10:19.38 | rly | Bushmills: there is too much noise. |
| 10:19.55 | rly | Books don't contain a lot of noise, usually. |
| 10:20.13 | Bushmills | you can search for books :) |
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| 10:20.17 | rly | http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm is fairly good, though. |
| 10:20.41 | rly | Bushmills: yes, but Amazon reviews are often full of people with an agenda. |
| 10:20.53 | rly | Bushmills: I would expect less bias here. |
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| 10:21.26 | skilz | Anyone aware of a nice battery monitor icon that will sit in the tray? |
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| 10:21.39 | skilz | That will work in the fluxbox tray |
| 10:21.42 | Bushmills | rly, but not searching for information also kept you from finding the debian provided information on the subject |
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| 10:22.35 | rly | Bushmills: what Debian provided information? That didn't come up first in my searches. |
| 10:22.51 | rly | Bushmills: Debian -- Debian Books |
| 10:23.07 | rly | Bushmills: that's the first hit I got for debian gnu linux networking book |
| 10:23.20 | Bushmills | i'd for example look into the HOWTOs, such as into the advanced routing howto |
| 10:24.01 | rly | Bushmills: the generic Linux one? |
| 10:24.27 | Bushmills | yes. by "debian provided" i referred to the debian package, not to debian specific docs |
| 10:24.36 | rly | "This document hopes to enlighten you on how to do more with Linux 2.2/2.4 routing." |
| 10:24.45 | rly | I think 2.6 is out for a long time already. |
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| 10:25.11 | Bushmills | and so? routing hasn't undergone a completely overhaul between 2.4 and 2.6 |
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| 10:25.35 | Bushmills | i suppose most books on the subject are still from 2.4 or earlier times as well |
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| 10:26.01 | rly | Bushmills: well, I don't know that. |
| 10:27.08 | rly | Bushmills: which package exactly were you referring to? |
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| 10:27.54 | Bushmills | doc-linux-text or doc-linux-html, which provide the howtos |
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| 10:29.16 | Bushmills | at least some of those. some more are in doc-linux-nonfree-* |
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| 10:30.40 | rly | Bushmills: also, I have the impression that information is not up to date. As the first link going out of it is already dead. |
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| 10:31.30 | boudiccas | rly; and you think books are 'up-to-date'? by their development cycle their out of date before they're printed |
| 10:31.43 | Bushmills | yes, there are probably more reasons to not use that information. for example that you would have had to search for it. maybe your font is also too small, rendering the text close to unreadable. |
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| 10:32.04 | rly | Bushmills: ... |
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| 10:32.24 | rly | Anyway, the name of the link does point to a useful document. |
| 10:33.10 | rly | Perhaps instead of links we can better just use 'google I am lucky search queries', since those are more stable. |
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| 10:37.20 | man_in_shack | is there an easy way to write udev rules based on vendor/device codes? |
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| 10:44.55 | ompaul | man_in_shack: http://wiki.debian.org/udev |
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| 10:45.54 | CQ | http://pastebin.com/phqxmJ3t can someone have a look at this please? df reports 6G used, but du -s shows only around 3G used for all directories ... |
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| 10:47.18 | muszek | I run a production web server with many live websites on it. Say it's on Lenny and the support for it ends. What do people do in such cases? Upgrade the live server? Install a new OS on another box, move all the sites and scrap the old server? |
| 10:47.20 | man_in_shack | ty ompaul |
| 10:47.26 | ompaul | man_in_shack: you are welcome |
| 10:48.16 | ompaul | muszek: ideal, build a new or parallel server, test, migrate |
| 10:48.51 | ompaul | muszek: then you have the ability to move to the best hardware you have (i.e. the new or old box) |
| 10:49.11 | muszek | I was afraid you'd say it :) |
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| 10:49.36 | muszek | I did it two or three times in the past and it always took me like 2 or 3 days |
| 10:49.43 | CQ | muszek: look on teh bright side, you can run teh new one, and then migrate the old one, and you get redundancy for free :) |
| 10:49.58 | muszek | :) |
| 10:50.03 | ompaul | muszek: you had to ask, I had an overwhelming compulsion to tell ya ;-) you could try build a lenny server replicate as is and apt-get dist-upgrade the test box |
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| 10:50.39 | muszek | ompaul: that's actually a pretty good idea, as it's a virtual machine and shouldn't be too hard |
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| 10:51.11 | CQ | any ideas on why / how du and df can give different answers as to the amoutn of files on a system?? |
| 10:52.18 | CQ | They seem off by a factor of two... |
| 10:52.45 | blubberdiblub | CQ, df interrogates the actual file system while du only counts and adds the sizes of the files it encounters, which may not be the real used space |
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| 10:53.28 | erawfish_ | since when do du or df give the number of files present? |
| 10:53.30 | blubberdiblub | CQ, especially if you don't "du" all files and especially if there are hidden files under mount points |
| 10:54.11 | CQ | blubberdiblub: fine, but a factor of two?? there are two mount points, /mnt and /home, and there are no hidden files there, the rest is on / ... see http://pastebin.com/phqxmJ3t |
| 10:54.35 | man_in_shack | ok so now i've identified the device and written a udev rule match |
| 10:54.40 | man_in_shack | now i need to work out how to disable it |
| 10:55.04 | ompaul | CQ: do a du -C please |
| 10:55.08 | blubberdiblub | CQ, i meant files hidden _under_ the mount points. i.e. files when you umount. and besides that, there is also bookkeeping space the file system needs. du doesn't count that |
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| 10:55.49 | ompaul | CQ: and when you find that does not work do a du -c (heh) |
| 10:56.00 | CQ | blubberdiblub: that could be it, maybe I forgot to erase /home when moving it to a separate disk |
| 10:56.17 | CQ | ompaul: I was about to as, as I didn't see it in man du ;) |
| 10:56.23 | ompaul | CQ: actually du -ch |
| 10:56.59 | CQ | 3.3G total ... lemme check unter /home... |
| 10:57.01 | CQ | under |
| 10:58.19 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 10:58.22 | ompaul | never understands why people don't use paste.debian.net |
| 10:58.28 | mah454 | I have big problem with scp ... ! |
| 10:58.52 | CQ | ok, found it... under /mnt/backup there was a backup of the system... must have backed up when the backup wasn't mounted by accident with the old scripts I used |
| 10:59.04 | ompaul | mah454: the answer is 45, actually it isn't, please give enough info on one line for someone to help |
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| 10:59.48 | ompaul | CQ: now you have to work out if you want to keep it |
| 11:00.08 | mah454 | scp command can not send file normal ! md5sum is not true ... |
| 11:00.14 | CQ | ompaul: no, I don't, the backup date was january... I have new backups, that I know for sure ;) |
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| 11:00.51 | Bushmills | accidental backups to the rescue! |
| 11:01.41 | ompaul | mah454: what command are you using? |
| 11:01.41 | SupaYoshi | Hi im trying to make a cronjob start fail2ban |
| 11:01.41 | SupaYoshi | but its not starting |
| 11:01.46 | SupaYoshi | my script.sh is fine |
| 11:01.51 | SupaYoshi | but it wont start using the cronjob |
| 11:01.55 | SupaYoshi | what im doing wrong ive no ieda |
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| 11:02.05 | CQ | SupaYoshi: I thought it starts automatically when installed... |
| 11:02.06 | mah454 | ompaul, scp package root@IP_Address:/PATH |
| 11:02.10 | erawfish_ | !tell SupaYoshi about enter |
| 11:02.12 | erawfish_ | CQ: it does |
| 11:02.17 | SupaYoshi | not when you restart |
| 11:02.24 | erawfish_ | it starts |
| 11:02.34 | SupaYoshi | really? ohh |
| 11:02.38 | SupaYoshi | lemme try :D thnx |
| 11:03.12 | erawfish_ | SupaYoshi: /etc/init.d/fail2ban |
| 11:03.14 | babilen | SupaYoshi: fail2ban ships an init script -- What more do you need? |
| 11:03.17 | ompaul | mah454: and what is this about md5sum and what does df -h tell you about available room on the far system |
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| 11:05.48 | mah454 | ompaul, scp do not complate copy and md5sum is different ... ! |
| 11:05.48 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 11:06.08 | man_in_shack | i just manually unbound the dodgy device from usb-storage |
| 11:06.15 | man_in_shack | now ... how to replicate that for hotplug? |
| 11:06.27 | pikaro | hi! I just dist-upgraded my system, and loads of executables had their permissions set to 000, breaking the upgrade process and forcing me to manually change them. I've had this problem before, and rebooting without manual change results in an unusable system. the files in question are crucial to the system, such as mount, adduser and runlevel. apt-get install --reinstalling the mount package, for isntance, results in the same problem. apt-cach |
| 11:06.28 | pikaro | e policy reports 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages as the source, so I'm stumped. where does this problem stem from? |
| 11:08.04 | ompaul | man_in_shack: that is why I asked you about df -h about the machine you are trying to copy to, please ssh into it and paste it output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:08.16 | ompaul | woops man_in_shack bad ompaul ;-) |
| 11:08.37 | ompaul | mah454: : that is why I asked you about df -h about the machine you are trying to copy to, please ssh into it and paste it output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:08.49 | ompaul | man_in_shack: the auto tab complete of farce |
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| 11:12.51 | erawfish_ | pikaro: what broke your system so it sets perms to 000? |
| 11:13.19 | pikaro | well, that's what I wanna know ^^ I did nothing special, just apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:14.42 | mah454 | optraz, My partitions is not full ! |
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| 11:14.50 | mah454 | ompaul, , My partitions is not full ! |
| 11:14.55 | mah454 | sorry optraz ! |
| 11:15.31 | nsadmin | rly, you can also google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
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| 11:16.46 | Bushmills | fail2ban may need enabling in /etc/defaults |
| 11:17.03 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.12 | ompaul | pikaro: I build systems and d-u them a couple of times a day never see this behaviour - last system build was yesterday and I didn't see this happen, I guess you have something there from a legacy system that is biting, what was the original system (when the box was first built) |
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| 11:20.00 | pikaro | ompaul, 'original' system, what does that mean, exactly? |
| 11:20.01 | CQ | isn' t there a generic package that will always pull inteh current headers when upgrading a kernel? It' s annoying to have to reinstall them by hand for vbox every time I upgrade a kernel... |
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| 11:20.23 | man_in_shack | bah |
| 11:20.48 | man_in_shack | can't seem to get this udev rule right |
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| 11:21.18 | man_in_shack | what i have so far: ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idVendor}=="04b8", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0803", ATTR{bInterfaceClass}=="08", RUN="/usr/local/sbin/unbind %S" |
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| 11:21.33 | ompaul | pikaro: was it woody or sarge or etch or lenny when you first installed |
| 11:21.33 | man_in_shack | where /usr/local/sbin/unbind is a no-op script that just writes a temp file |
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| 11:21.43 | man_in_shack | to show that it does something |
| 11:22.02 | bolt | potato! |
| 11:23.17 | ompaul | bolt: you optimist |
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| 11:24.58 | pikaro | ompaul, I _think_ it was Sid, but I set up the box a long time ago... |
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| 11:25.33 | pikaro | could have been testing as well, but I don't know what name it had at the time |
| 11:25.36 | ompaul | pikaro: sid should be updated fairly regularly |
| 11:26.06 | pikaro | I update it quite often |
| 11:26.26 | ompaul | pikaro: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
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| 11:29.53 | ompaul | pikaro: may I take it you are not interested any more |
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| 11:31.41 | paissad | what the heck is the file ? --> /etc/init.d/.depend.boot |
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| 11:33.02 | paissad | i ran 'rkhunter' and it generated a warning about the content of that file :/ |
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| 11:33.11 | paissad | do i have to worry ? do you have it in your system ? |
| 11:33.31 | pikaro | http://pastebin.com/UkX5Zbe5 |
| 11:33.45 | blubberdiblub | paissad, files where insserv keeps track of the depencies of init scripts |
| 11:33.51 | pikaro | sorry, had problems pastebinning, firefox is acting up... |
| 11:34.37 | blubberdiblub | paissad, you don't have to worry, they are perfectly valid files that should be there if you're using dependency based boot (as is standard now) |
| 11:34.54 | paissad | blubberdiblub, ok thanks |
| 11:35.23 | pikaro | paissad, I do have it on my system, something for makefile-style boot I guess? |
| 11:36.01 | pikaro | ompaul, but sources.list should not be relevant, as I said the packkages in question come from the official german Debian FTP |
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| 11:44.45 | man_in_shack | YAY i have the dodgy usb-storage correctly unbound now |
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| 11:47.33 | JyZyXEL | is there a dpkg-reconfigure to select default sound device? |
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| 11:51.07 | nevyn | nope you have to hack asound yourself. |
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| 11:56.09 | ferr | n |
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| 11:57.27 | bvalek2 | do you put your /var and /tmp into separate partitions? how big partitions do you prepare for them usually? |
| 11:57.49 | bvalek2 | lets say, its a system under extreme conditions |
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| 11:58.10 | bvalek2 | how big could they get in the worst case? |
| 11:58.29 | gnarface | is there updated (like, at least up to squeeze) debian-based bluetooth documentation somewhere? |
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| 11:59.28 | wolfric | how does a package get entered into debian repo? |
| 11:59.43 | wolfric | let's say you wrote a tool and wanted to get it in |
| 11:59.47 | gnarface | also, does anyone know of a program i can use to remote control my phone via bluetooth to send SMS messages? i've got the usb bluetooth dongle working on my desktop before for file transfer to and from the phone but i would like to be able to send SMS messages too like i can from my Palm Pilot |
| 12:00.00 | valdyn | bvalek2: if you dont know, then dont use seperate partitions |
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| 12:01.01 | SirYoshi | Heyyy, Im trying to start my cronjob but somehow it won't start autmaticly can anyone look what i'm doing wrong? |
| 12:01.07 | bvalek2 | valdyn: and if you dont know, stay quiet |
| 12:01.15 | gnarface | bvalek2: it depends a lot on your purposes. /var/ and /tmp typically don't have to be very big for desktop systems. some servers however need more space for logging and user sessions |
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| 12:01.40 | valdyn | bvalek2: that was reasonable advice, it was not saying that I don't know. |
| 12:01.41 | bvalek2 | gnarface: thanks |
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| 12:02.13 | gnarface | bvalek2: is this going to be a desktop system? |
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| 12:03.50 | bvalek2 | gnarface: yes, with a bit of experimenting though |
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| 12:04.32 | SirYoshi | is this like: start script immidetly after restart, 0,0 * * * * |
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| 12:05.56 | valdyn | SirYoshi: @REBOOT /path/to/program |
| 12:06.08 | P51^ | Damnit, ive been trying to create a Debian Live USB for like 5 hours now |
| 12:06.13 | P51^ | I think this is just crap |
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| 12:06.34 | P51^ | maybe even longer then 5 hours |
| 12:06.39 | SirYoshi | can i test without restarting? |
| 12:06.41 | gnarface | bvalek2: on a 1TB drive i have 11GB to / and /var, 225GB to /home, 3.6GB to /tmp, and 675GB to /usr (because i install all my games in /usr/local) |
| 12:06.43 | SirYoshi | like restarting cronjob? |
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| 12:07.23 | SirYoshi | @Reboot = bad cronjob |
| 12:07.29 | blubberdiblub | SirYoshi, yes, you can. just "rm /var/run/crond.reboot && /etc/init.d/cron restart" |
| 12:07.43 | valdyn | SirYoshi: yea, its "@reboot" |
| 12:07.48 | blubberdiblub | SirYoshi, man 5 crontab |
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| 12:08.11 | bvalek2 | gnarface: i see. DVD burning software creates the temporary image in /tmp isnt it? |
| 12:08.37 | bvalek2 | or there is no intermediate image any more? |
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| 12:09.15 | valdyn | theres like a dozen or so cd burning packages , I doubt anyone know where each one puts their temporary files |
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| 12:09.57 | SirYoshi | http://pastebin.com/izJLfJ1Y |
| 12:10.02 | bvalek2 | valdyn: k3b a few years ago used /tmp |
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| 12:10.03 | gnarface | bvalek2: that would depend entirely on which dvd burning software you use. for optical disk burning i use command-line tools that do not do such things, typically |
| 12:10.03 | SirYoshi | here im trying this, but wont start the script |
| 12:10.18 | SirYoshi | man 5 crontab? what does that mean? |
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| 12:10.29 | valdyn | SirYoshi: this line is wrong, but you want @reboot |
| 12:10.39 | blubberdiblub | SirYoshi, we already told you yesterday and valdyn told you today that you have to use @reboot |
| 12:10.49 | bvalek2 | gnarface: i see. thanks a lot |
| 12:10.53 | SirYoshi | okay like this: |
| 12:10.58 | blubberdiblub | SirYoshi, "man 5 crontab" gets you the manpage for crontabs. there the format is described |
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| 12:11.07 | SirYoshi | http://pastebin.com/tXU4cNWu |
| 12:11.19 | valdyn | SirYoshi: small caps |
| 12:11.27 | valdyn | SirYoshi: "@reboot" *literally* |
| 12:11.36 | gnarface | bvalek2: another popular thing to do is to mount /tmp as tmpfs instead of on the disk |
| 12:11.51 | gnarface | bvalek2: if you have the ram |
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| 12:12.10 | bvalek2 | gnarface: i think i have, its 8 GB |
| 12:12.18 | blubberdiblub | SirYoshi, and if it's a user's crontab, you have to omit the user name "root". if it's the global crontab you're talking about, you're probably missing some important entries |
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| 12:13.38 | SirYoshi | em its lemme see |
| 12:13.47 | SirYoshi | its in the root :D |
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| 12:14.04 | valdyn | SirYoshi: this is not /etc/crontab, so you dont need a username |
| 12:14.05 | SirYoshi | but when i do like start.sh start, it works, like manually but not in cronjob |
| 12:14.32 | blubberdiblub | SirYoshi, please read "man 5 crontab" |
| 12:14.46 | valdyn | SirYoshi: the syntax is explained one line above your cronjob and theres an example even higher in line 9 |
| 12:15.03 | valdyn | SirYoshi: but youre inventing comma and adding username |
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| 12:18.15 | zimbres | hi, I have a very strange problem on my newly installed debian squeeze, it symply freezes, and sometimes just even starts, i have to try twice or more, sometimes it lasts 1 minute until it freezes and sometimes hours, sometimes when it sleeps, i cannot wake him up ... Would someone try to help me? |
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| 12:18.46 | orioni | hi there , how to detect the link up event on a nic ? |
| 12:20.21 | rozie | zimbres: what hardware? |
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| 12:20.51 | orioni | ethernet |
| 12:20.55 | orioni | upps :) |
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| 12:22.03 | SirYoshi | valydun, im trying everything, this is my current crontab - root =/ and still it wont work |
| 12:22.03 | zimbres | rozie: which piece? Anyway I have already run ubuntu on this machine with no problem |
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| 12:22.50 | SirYoshi | http://pastebin.com/cM8XGUB5 here :( |
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| 12:27.11 | rozie | zimbres: are you running Debian stable? If Ubuntu runs OK, it may be kernel/gpu driver issue |
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| 12:29.25 | zimbres | I am not sure is this is stable /etc/debian.version = 6.0.3 |
| 12:30.14 | blubberdiblub | yes, this is squeeze/stable |
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| 12:33.52 | zimbres | rozie: I have no idea where should i begin ... |
| 12:35.11 | rozie | what kernel do you have? what kernel you had on Ubuntu? |
| 12:35.31 | rozie | the same with gpu dirver |
| 12:35.35 | rozie | driver* |
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| 12:37.13 | zimbres | rozie: I normally do not pay atention to this , i will have to find out |
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| 13:00.37 | valdyn | SirYoshi: that line is good, but insert a newline after "start" |
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| 13:01.57 | kleanchap | What is the command on Debian to do an update? |
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| 13:02.16 | valdyn | kleanchap: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:02.27 | kleanchap | valdyn, Thnx |
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| 13:03.51 | kleanchap | Another question, if I want to install other packages like Firefox and network manager (GUI) tools etc., how do I install them? |
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| 13:04.12 | valdyn | kleanchap: apt-get install iceweasel network-manager-gnome |
| 13:04.50 | kleanchap | valdyn, Is there a gui for apt-get or apt tools? |
| 13:05.44 | valdyn | kleanchap: half a dozen |
| 13:05.49 | phogg | kleanchap: several, try synaptic |
| 13:06.14 | kleanchap | Thnx |
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| 13:12.02 | Blackvel | when I can't use nfs-kernel-server because of virtuozzo vserver, what user space nfs module shall / could I use for remote mounting a directory (out of disc space)? |
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| 13:16.02 | jelly-home | Blackvel: do you have FUSE support? |
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| 13:16.38 | Blackvel | i heard / read about it....dont have any experience with it. i could try to find it out or test it |
| 13:17.07 | Blackvel | i think as long as no kernel support is required I might give that a go |
| 13:17.22 | jelly-home | yes kernel support is required |
| 13:18.12 | Blackvel | oh |
| 13:18.37 | jelly-home | but if you have it, you can try using something like sshfs |
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| 13:20.27 | nsadmin | , file boost/signals2.hpp |
| 13:20.30 | judd | Search for boost/signals2.hpp in squeeze/i386: libboost1.42-dev: usr/include/boost/signals2.hpp |
| 13:21.19 | Blackvel | my current problem is this: 1) I want to copy 1:1 (saving uid/gid) directories from vserver1 to vserver2. probably I could use scp&co. for this. 2) I probably need to run mysqldump and save the output to a mounted remote directory (out of disc space on server1) |
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| 13:22.12 | jelly-home | Blackvel: does samba, mount -t cifs work? |
| 13:22.25 | kleanchap | When I install new packages, I do not want the prompt for insert the DVD into CD-ROM drive. I would Debian get the files from the nearest mirror. How do I set that up? |
| 13:23.27 | jelly-home | kleanchap: remove or comment out reference to dvd/cd-rom repo in /etc/apt/sources.list, do an aptitude update |
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| 13:25.13 | kleanchap | jelly-home, Thnx |
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| 13:28.54 | rly | I want to run a local mail server which talks SMTP, requires no authentication and sends mail by ultimately by using a different SMTP provider. There was a program which did that. Which one? |
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| 13:31.15 | erawfish_ | rly: nullmailer for example |
| 13:31.16 | Blackvel | jelly-home: there has been no error. are supported filesystems displayed in /proc/filesystems or needs there to be a fs in /dev directory? |
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| 13:32.25 | jelly-home | Blackvel: the former. No error for what? |
| 13:33.24 | vpelletier | hi. is there any nfs server allowing a folder to be exported on a different path ? like, /foo/bar being exported as /baz |
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| 13:34.41 | rly | erawfish_: that one conflicts with postfix. |
| 13:35.11 | Blackvel | jelly-home: no error for "mount -t cifs" |
| 13:35.13 | rly | I don't see why one shouldn't be able to run multiple email servers on the same machine on different ports. |
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| 13:45.23 | jelly-home | Blackvel: so did it get mounted? |
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| 13:47.09 | jelly-home | Blackvel: that's not a complete command to mount a share; also "does samba [...] work" isn't a complete instruction to install, configure and start a samba server |
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| 13:47.58 | jelly-home | Blackvel: I meant "can you get a samba server running and mount a remote samba share?" |
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| 13:53.43 | Blackvel | jelly-home: i thought maybe mount cmd would raise an error if it does not support cifs module :) |
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| 13:53.59 | Blackvel | well i would have to try it...setup samba server on my 2nd server...e.g |
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| 13:54.42 | Blackvel | maybe i test sshfs/fuse before or kick my webhoster in ass to get nfs / sshfs supported on guest/host...looks like virtuozzo supports once the host is prepared for it |
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| 13:55.08 | Blackvel | another question |
| 13:55.16 | Blackvel | i have this windows tool "winscp" |
| 13:55.34 | erawfish_ | best put the question on a single line |
| 13:55.44 | Blackvel | sorry |
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| 13:56.42 | Blackvel | does winscp support remote copying between two remote servers (left window, right window), just like flashfxp did with 2 ftp servers? |
| 13:57.10 | erawfish_ | no |
| 13:57.19 | Blackvel | if not i better write a local scp copy script |
| 13:57.28 | Blackvel | ok thanks |
| 13:57.29 | rly | If I remove postfix, will I remove the postfix mysql configuration? |
| 13:57.48 | rly | (I don't want that to happen. ) |
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| 13:59.12 | Blackvel | i guess it removes the postfix-mysql module too. aptitude remove does not touch configuration files. only aptitude purge does. is the config stored in the mysql database? it shouldn't be removed (but plz dont 100% rely on me as I have postfix running without mysql) |
| 13:59.13 | erawfish_ | rly: you only remove configurations when you purge. your main.cf stays as it is |
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| 14:01.35 | rly | erawfish_: I am not talking about main.cf. I am talking about the users which have been created in mysql for postfix. |
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| 14:02.15 | erawfish_ | rly: same thing |
| 14:02.46 | erawfish_ | in fact, user data is never even purged :) |
| 14:03.18 | kleanchap | I really love the mini/micro receiver USB stick. I installed Debian to it runs great! The only issue is the speed during install is really slow. Other than that issue, the little usb device is wonderful! |
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| 14:04.46 | kleanchap | I should have installed the Debian Live image to it instead. |
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| 14:09.08 | Blackvel | got sshfs package installed witz no errors on debian6 server. on other hoster with debian5 (client to mount share on) it failed with problems: mknod: `fuse-': Operation not permitted, makedev fuse c 10 229 root root 0660: failed, chgrp: cannot access `/dev/fuse': No such file or directory |
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| 14:13.19 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: is it a VPS and do you have real root with your own kernel? |
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| 14:14.22 | Blackvel | jupp, VPS |
| 14:14.32 | poncha | what may be the reason of spiking cpu usage on "software interrupts" ? (%si column in top) |
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| 14:15.15 | Blackvel | older hoster limits VPS (lenny) very much. even iptables is not working :) |
| 14:15.54 | poncha | apart from that all i see is kworker procecc eating cpu |
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| 14:16.06 | poncha | the machine is hyper-v virtual server btw |
| 14:16.49 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: your VPS doesn't include your own kernel and that's why FUSE, iptables, etc cannot work |
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| 14:20.28 | kleanchap | I have couple of partitions for backups. When I tried to copy files over, I got an error message saying I do not have permissions. Is there a disk manager or file system manager where I can change the settings? |
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| 14:21.08 | erawfish_ | !tell kleanchap about permissions |
| 14:21.21 | cusco | HI |
| 14:21.23 | cusco | oops |
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| 14:22.45 | cusco | if I identified a bug with a package (in this case, roundcube mysql structure script should create one extra column) where shoud I report it to? To its packager? |
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| 14:23.01 | themill | yes |
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| 14:33.40 | Blackvel | oh great...got sshfs working on 2nd debian6 server despite VPS. shouldn't a chroot work with mysqldump too no matter what server direction I copy the files to? :) |
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| 14:48.45 | Dotan | Bom Dia |
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| 14:49.39 | Dotan | Qual a versao do gnome que o debian usa |
| 14:49.59 | dvs | !br |
| 14:50.00 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:50.18 | Dotan | Obrigado |
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| 14:50.47 | jelly-home | erawfish_: fuse _can_ work inside virtuozzo/openvz containers, eg. http://kb.parallels.com/4628 |
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| 14:53.49 | DexterF | hola! |
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| 14:55.01 | DexterF | sshfs mount on a VM. suspended the VM, woke it up, now the sshfs mount does not work anymore, trying to force an unmount just never completes and I have to ctrl-c the command. |
| 14:55.25 | DexterF | I know that a reboot would fix it, but I'd prefer not to reboot the VM right now. any ideas? |
| 14:55.49 | DexterF | lsof | grep <mntpoint> just sits there waiting forever just the same |
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| 14:57.30 | aidan | How can I transfer a large file over an unreliable connection? |
| 14:57.48 | dvs | Dotan: don't /msg me |
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| 14:58.04 | aidan | I've tried wgetting but it makes it 30% of the way, connection resets by peer (dam you peer), and starts again |
| 14:59.04 | vpelletier | aidan: rsync --preserve (and maybe more options), maybe |
| 14:59.14 | erawfish_ | aidan: wget can resume transfers |
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| 15:01.41 | kleanchap | How come there is no gnome user manager tool? |
| 15:02.03 | kleanchap | Is there one that someone here familiar with? |
| 15:02.50 | Hodapp | Running Debian 6.0.3 on a PowerMac G4 400 MHz. Everything else is plenty fast, but for whatever reason starting up 'bash' takes several seconds... anyone know what might be slowing this down{ |
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| 15:02.54 | Hodapp | ...? |
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| 15:03.15 | vpelletier | Hodapp: can be autocompletion |
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| 15:04.11 | Hodapp | vpelletier: what might I do to speed that up? |
| 15:04.27 | vpelletier | try commenting out the ". /etc/bash_completion" line in your .bashrc |
| 15:04.50 | thewanderer1 | or remove bash-completion package |
| 15:04.58 | vpelletier | indeed |
| 15:05.50 | rly | Is there official Debian documentation for setting up vsftpd? |
| 15:06.03 | Hodapp | that looks like it was it... but if I still have tab-completion, what was that doing? |
| 15:06.17 | rly | There is some stuff on the wiki, but it doesn't bring the system in a state where a user can actually login on the server. |
| 15:06.48 | thewanderer1 | Hodapp, tab completion of filenames always works in Bash... bash-completion gives you extra functionality, like completion of package names, network interface names, hostnames etc. |
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| 15:06.49 | vpelletier | Hodapp: it allows auto-completion for some command parameters |
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| 15:07.28 | Hodapp | ahh, I see |
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| 15:07.41 | Hodapp | cool, SSH logins now don't take 5 seconds :) |
| 15:07.55 | vpelletier | btw, I find it very annoying when auto-completion prevent some files from showing up... like, untar-ing a file which doesn't have the right extension |
| 15:08.13 | Hodapp | vpelletier: ah, so it will prevent completion too? |
| 15:09.08 | vpelletier | bash built-in filename completion should not hide anything AFAIK, but "improved" completion from bash-completion does sometimes |
| 15:09.18 | thewanderer1 | say you want to `tar xjf packaging-mistake.tar.gz`, but with "smart" autocompletion it will never be autocompleted because the extension is "invalid" for j :P |
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| 15:09.37 | Hodapp | ah, yeah, I've seen that before... never realized it was bash-completion |
| 15:10.16 | nitzs | Is there a way to easily edit ISO images? |
| 15:10.27 | vpelletier | I also suspect it's causing problems for some reason when I want to edit /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* |
| 15:10.47 | vpelletier | though I haven't tied to confirm it so far |
| 15:10.50 | Hodapp | nitzs: Not that I know of. They're not really meant for it. |
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| 15:11.44 | erawfish_ | rly: /etc/vsftpd.conf is all you need. every single setting has a description, including the one you need to uncomment |
| 15:11.58 | [Sanyi] | nitzs, ISO Master |
| 15:12.05 | [Sanyi] | apt-get install isomaster |
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| 15:13.54 | nitzs | [Sanyi]: ok, thanks. |
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| 15:25.10 | daniel-s | hi |
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| 15:25.34 | daniel-s | I haven't really ever used Mint or Ubuntu, I wanted to know why they're so popular. |
| 15:25.52 | daniel-s | what is it that Debian lacks that they make better? |
| 15:26.42 | DexterF | daniel-s: packages more recent, some integration and gui tools where you have to tinker a lot manually at the concole in debian. |
| 15:27.06 | DexterF | for example support for binary drivers for video cards is like: click button thingy, ubuntu does the rest |
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| 15:27.59 | DexterF | the don't have that "free soft only" thing going on as much as debian has and are more desktop user orientated than rather an all purpose approach like debian |
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| 15:29.19 | DexterF | then again canonical often makes bold moves to force new ideas into linux distros ans sometimes succeed at that and sometimes don't, i.e. things crahs horribly |
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| 15:31.06 | DexterF | ah, figured the sshfs thing: kill the sshfs process, remount :P |
| 15:31.13 | kleanchap | Is there a better method to install the development environment? I installed gcc....and when I went to run make....there is no make.... |
| 15:31.40 | vpelletier | aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:31.44 | DexterF | kleanchap: install "build-essential" |
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| 15:32.09 | kleanchap | DexterF, Thnx! |
| 15:32.48 | vpelletier | extras: when building a package included in debian, apt-get build-dep <package> helps a lot. for the rest auto-apt can be nice (and sometimes can be obtrusive and ask to install too many packages...) |
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| 15:35.38 | daniel-s | is adduser a debian specific script/application? |
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| 15:36.21 | DexterF | daniel-s: haven't seen a distro that does not have it yet |
| 15:36.23 | kleanchap | vpelletier, Thnx |
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| 15:37.44 | kleanchap | If I want to install all of cfce and lxde (available) core items and the tools, how can I do that? I don't to install one piece at a time. |
| 15:37.58 | kleanchap | s/cfce/xfce |
| 15:38.00 | erawfish_ | !install lxde |
| 15:38.01 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): Squeeze: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install" ; Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=lxde in the boot options. |
| 15:38.08 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: /msg dpkg install xfce |
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| 15:43.54 | kleanchap | I am compiling a wifi driver for my wlan card. It is the ra3060 chipset and I downloaded the driver code from the vendor web site. When I executed the make command, it looked for /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/build directory and failed because it did not find the "build" directory. |
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| 15:44.34 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: have you installed the kernel headers? |
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| 15:45.03 | kleanchap | erawfish_, I might not have. I will check. It was a plain vanilla install. |
| 15:45.50 | dvs | kleanchap: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 15:45.55 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
| 15:46.29 | kleanchap | nope |
| 15:46.55 | kleanchap | Darn...it is lot more than I thought. Lots of stuff missing. |
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| 15:47.47 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: use a backports kernel and get the firmware .deb from wheezy, as dvs showed in the wiki article |
| 15:47.53 | lzskiss | yo |
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| 15:48.28 | dvs | erawfish_: It's not even a backport. Just get the firmware-ralink package. |
| 15:48.56 | rAd0n | hola |
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| 15:49.25 | kleanchap | erawfish_, to install linux headers for the current kernel, is it apt-get install linux-header? I am looking at synaptic and it listed several choices. |
| 15:49.29 | erawfish_ | dvs: it says it's in 2.6.33 mainline onwards, no? |
| 15:49.49 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: you install them for your running kernel |
| 15:50.01 | dvs | erawfish_: Oh, I missed that. |
| 15:50.20 | dvs | They should have a squeeze section |
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| 15:54.32 | kleanchap | erawfish_, Thnx |
| 15:54.39 | kleanchap | dvs, thnx |
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| 15:54.52 | dvs | np |
| 15:55.47 | acu | I have two LANS and want to join them through a VPN - is it worth to create a linux box and configure it as VPN server and the other end a client - or better to get vpn router |
| 15:56.08 | acu | and Should I use OpenSwan or pptp |
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| 15:56.34 | guardian | i want to set up a mail server; should i go postfix + dovecot? or should i keep exim as it's the default MTA? (note i never did this before) |
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| 15:57.17 | rly | guardian: you can try citadel too. |
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| 15:58.25 | acu | guardian: postfix for sure - is most use and not difficult to configure - dovecot - have no experience with it - so I can't say anything |
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| 16:00.36 | erawfish_ | acu: openvpn |
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| 16:01.38 | erawfish_ | guardian: do you want to learn about mail or just a working mail server as fast and easy as possible? |
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| 16:02.14 | guardian | i want to have a mail server up and running, whatever it is, what people recommend :) |
| 16:02.25 | guardian | just learnt i need exim or postfix, then also dovecot |
| 16:02.41 | ompaul | acu: I'd agree with erawfish_ on the openvpn I use it 24/7 for years to keep offices and road remote people working |
| 16:02.52 | guardian | actually i opened debian's wiki page about postfix and it says it removes exim; so i wondered why remove what's already there after all |
| 16:03.14 | erawfish_ | cause having two MTAs is a waste of space and source of conflict |
| 16:03.20 | bvalek2 | Asus K53TA SX029D laptop. only the Debian installer was able to boot and install, detect networking properly (Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Fedora failed). and after installing the propietary ATI driver, it works like a charm at 1366x768 resolution |
| 16:03.31 | bvalek2 | is yet another happy Debian user |
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| 16:04.39 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: remember: if one linux can work a certain hardware, all can. It's all linux |
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| 16:05.25 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: sure. but debian works out of the box. ubuntu needs hacking. i bet you dont often hear this :) |
| 16:05.33 | guardian | erawfish_: so? should i go postfix according to you? |
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| 16:06.04 | kleanchap | I tried to install eclipse (IDE) and have been getting some dependencies errors constatly. Now, I tried to install via aptitude reinstall eclipse and I am still getting the same errors. How I can force aptitude to install all the dependency files? |
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| 16:07.37 | erawfish_ | !tell kleanchap about errors |
| 16:08.04 | erawfish_ | guardian: you shouldn't set up a mail server cause it's a waste of time for you |
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| 16:09.59 | bubu82 | ciao |
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| 16:11.51 | bvalek2 | i have no sound. the hw is HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic, and Alsamixer seems to detect it, i have set everything to 100% already. what could be the problem? (special function keys also dont work) |
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| 16:13.10 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: /msg dpkg alsa checklist section 5) |
| 16:13.24 | cahoot | bvalek2, cat /proc/asound/cards - which device corresponds to card0? |
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| 16:14.25 | bvalek2 | cahoot: 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xfeb44000 irq 19 1 [Generic_1 ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xfeb40000 irq 16 |
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| 16:15.31 | cahoot | bvalek2, try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
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| 16:16.01 | mrtn_ | How different is ARM Debian version from x86 or x86-64? I mean do all the programs work just like on x86 and all the configuration principles are the same? Are there some limitations? |
| 16:16.05 | bvalek2 | erawfish_: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 16:16.22 | superstraw | for my router's log emailing function, is there a simple mail server for debian i can use or should i just learn to configure exim? |
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| 16:17.14 | erawfish_ | mrtn_: some x86 specific things are different. bootloader, no WINE, etc |
| 16:17.19 | bvalek2 | cahoot: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 16:17.28 | erawfish_ | mrtn_: but it has the same gnome, the same browser, etc |
| 16:17.38 | cahoot | bvalek2, try alsa force-reload; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 16:18.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a semi-simple way of getting an nvidia 3d driver istalled and actually get plymouth to load on boot? I have plymouth working on my netbook but it has intel graphics. Do I need to stick with the nvidia driver from the repos or does that matter? Would I have to do some complicated configuration change that I will never remember? |
| 16:18.24 | mrtn_ | erawfish_, ok, but core components and kernel work very similarly? |
| 16:18.32 | erawfish_ | mrtn_: it's linux |
| 16:18.41 | bvalek2 | cahoot: didnt help, the same error message i get |
| 16:19.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell bvalek2 about alsa checklist |
| 16:19.25 | cahoot | bvalek2, did alsa force-reload (as root) give an error? |
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| 16:19.42 | erawfish_ | superstraw: how is it hard to use exim for receiving the mail? |
| 16:20.34 | bvalek2 | cahoot: yes |
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| 16:20.52 | cahoot | what error? |
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| 16:21.20 | superstraw | erawfish_: i have no idea. i've heard exim is imposing but i'm sure i could stumble through it... didnt know if there was a dumber easier mail server out there to save me time |
| 16:22.18 | Trewas | LinuxGuy2009: plymouth needs KMS and afaik that feature is not supported with their proprietary drivers |
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| 16:22.45 | superstraw | so i guess i should just suck it up and rtfm heh |
| 16:22.48 | acu | ompaul, so for this OpenVPN I need to pay licences - I guess - free as in freedom, not as in free beer ... so if I have a router on each side of the LANS - I would configure one side as SERVER and the other as client - so all clients from within those networks will be like in one network |
| 16:22.56 | erawfish_ | acu: no you don't |
| 16:23.00 | erawfish_ | ,info openvpn |
| 16:23.01 | judd | Package openvpn (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: virtual private network daemon. Version: 2.1.3-2; Size: 421.1k; Installed: 1188k |
| 16:24.30 | acu | erawfish_, so I have to have one debian box on one side with openvpn setup as server and one debian box on the other side configure as client (of course I would have the routers passthrough vpn) ? |
| 16:25.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | Trewas: Ok so the only "easy" way to get nvidia and plymouth is to stick with the neavou(sp?) driver? |
| 16:25.21 | erawfish_ | acu: openvpn exists for other OSes too |
| 16:25.49 | erawfish_ | LinuxGuy2009: the only way at all |
| 16:26.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok thats cool. |
| 16:26.00 | Trewas | LinuxGuy2009: yes, nouveau is the way to go if you care about plymouth that much |
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| 16:26.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | I dont, i can live without it. |
| 16:26.36 | acu | LinuxGuy2009, what is plymouth - some kind of Xrated software ? |
| 16:27.04 | acu | X not from X11 |
| 16:27.20 | capablanca | Hi, please help me |
| 16:27.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | acu: plymouth covers up the loading messages at bootup and gives a nice animated theme instead. |
| 16:27.31 | erawfish_ | acu: please use apt-cache |
| 16:27.32 | Trewas | nouveau drivers actually give 3d-accelerated desktop with kde, but too bad any kind of video acceleration does not work, so -vo x11 with mplayer is the only working way and that just sucks too much |
| 16:27.32 | bvalek2 | erawfish_ , cahoot : modprobe snd-pcm-oss has no output |
| 16:27.47 | erawfish_ | bvalek2: no output is good |
| 16:28.05 | cahoot | you want modprobesnd-hda-intel, then run alsa force-reload |
| 16:28.07 | erawfish_ | Trewas: only in wheezy and later |
| 16:28.40 | jelly-home | Trewas: even there, debian's shipping 7 months old nouveau |
| 16:28.50 | jelly-home | but Xv ought to work |
| 16:28.57 | Trewas | erawfish_: tbh that computer runs ubuntu, but probably requires newer driver than what is in stable |
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| 16:29.14 | ompaul | acu: you can of your own choosing install debian on two firewalls and allow them talk to the outside world |
| 16:29.19 | viller | is it OK to replace an 80mm case fan with a 120mm fan? |
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| 16:29.36 | jelly-home | Trewas: ubuntu is quite different in kernel and driver versions. |
| 16:29.38 | erawfish_ | viller: ##hardware |
| 16:29.42 | bvalek2 | cahoot , erawfish_ : nothing changed: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 16:30.05 | viller | thank you erawfish_ I didn't know it existed |
| 16:30.16 | Trewas | jelly-home: sure, just pointed out that nouveau is not completely hopeless |
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| 16:30.31 | capablanca | How i can to have audio of 32 bits, i have a realtek hd sound and in a windows xp i can use it in 32 bits sound quality |
| 16:32.08 | bvalek2 | erawfish_ , cahoot : only /usr/bin/pulseaudio is running |
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| 16:32.17 | acu | ompaul: so best would be to setup both boxes as vpn and firewall -- oh - you mean that I should even not purchase a router at all - whao - that I did not think - so I can have the debian box with two NICs one for wan one for LAN and I could stick on the LAN a switch and that's all |
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| 16:32.44 | cahoot | bvalek2, you don't happen to have any .asoundrc in place? remove it ifit exists |
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| 16:33.01 | Blackvel | whats wrong with this command: ed over ssh. what did I do wrong? |
| 16:33.01 | Blackvel | <Blackvel> t |
| 16:33.10 | wart___ | hi. i'd like to find what package i need to install to get me a certain file, in this case 'make'. in gentoo there's a tool called e-file that does this. is there something similar in debian? |
| 16:33.11 | Blackvel | eh |
| 16:33.14 | ompaul | acu: that is it |
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| 16:33.21 | wart___ | or can someone run dpkg --info make |
| 16:33.29 | wart___ | i mean --search |
| 16:33.31 | Blackvel | tar czvpf - -X ~/tar.exclusion.list / 2> /dev/null | ssh -C root@mybackupserver.de "cat >/home/xxx/backup.tar.gz" |
| 16:33.38 | ompaul | acu: and you only have to "open" the firewall on the server side to allow others but you can control where they come from |
| 16:33.48 | Blackvel | that is wrong command. it does not pipe over ssh but creates .tar.gz locally |
| 16:34.18 | ompaul | acu: if you have static ips you are good to go |
| 16:34.30 | erawfish_ | !tell wart about search |
| 16:34.40 | bvalek2 | cahoot: there was none. btw two other distributions made some sound on this laptop, blackpanther and ubuntu (with a blank screen though) |
| 16:34.44 | acu | ompaul: now I realize that we waste too much money paying big bucks to Cisco DLINK and otheres :) |
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| 16:35.22 | wart___ | erawfish_: ok but search requires the package to be installed, right? |
| 16:35.25 | ompaul | acu: it is ok for small sites if you have lots of bandwidth (over 100 megs) then you want cisco because of the way the processors and back plane work |
| 16:35.30 | erawfish_ | wart___: no |
| 16:35.38 | wart___ | hmm. |
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| 16:35.52 | erawfish_ | !tell wart___ about pdo |
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| 16:36.51 | wart___ | well dpkg --search make doesn't turn up /usr/bin/make |
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| 16:37.09 | acu | ompaul: got it - this are two LANS - on the WAN site they are connected with a 16/2MB/s - so the upload is 2 MB - even if they go to 25/5 - this setup should suffice - thanks - now I have to dig in openvpn installation and configuration |
| 16:37.27 | ompaul | wart___: apt-cache search build-essential might be useful if you look at it |
| 16:37.59 | ompaul | acu: read the faq it is all in there, in particular the bit on the site about what files live on what boxes |
| 16:38.04 | wart___ | yeah, cuz i even search package.debian.org for make |
| 16:38.07 | nullie | as an author of software, where can I put debian/ as an aid to packagers? |
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| 16:38.56 | wart___ | ompaul: hmm, well apt-cache search build-essential gave me some output, but i'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. |
| 16:39.06 | wart___ | i mean i just need the package that gives me the "make" command, usually located in /usr/bin/make |
| 16:39.12 | wart___ | pretty basic command and all. |
| 16:39.20 | kleanchap | I am going into System->Preferences->Network Connections to setup my wifi connection. I can enter the ssid and other info but cannot "Apply" because the button is greyed out. How can I run this tool as root? |
| 16:39.21 | ompaul | wart___: it is where you get compilers and libraries and other useful stuff |
| 16:39.21 | nb-ben | apt-get install make |
| 16:39.22 | erawfish_ | wart___: you didn't read the factoid |
| 16:39.27 | nb-ben | wart___ ^ |
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| 16:40.14 | wart___ | nb-ben: man that was a little too obvious :p |
| 16:40.17 | wart___ | i thought i had tried that |
| 16:40.21 | wart___ | sorry for the no-brainer |
| 16:40.21 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: are you sure your wlan has working drivers? |
| 16:40.26 | nb-ben | it's alright |
| 16:40.34 | nb-ben | you'd think make wouldn't have its own package |
| 16:41.06 | kleanchap | erawfish_, Yes. When I ran the ifconfig command, the wifi lan interface (ra0) is getting listed. |
| 16:41.31 | nb-ben | debian likes to split things into packages |
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| 16:41.48 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: doesn't mean anything. use iwlist for example |
| 16:41.58 | wart___ | to get a basic c environment, apt-get install gcc make should do me? i'm assuming there is a faq on this one somewhere :-) |
| 16:42.11 | nb-ben | yes wart___ |
| 16:42.21 | Dagger3 | the build-essential package might be more useful though |
| 16:42.31 | jhutchins_lt | nb-ben: Packages tend to be determined upstream by what components are being developed together as a single project. |
| 16:42.43 | erawfish_ | wart___: you've already been told to install build-essential |
| 16:42.46 | jhutchins_lt | nb-ben: Debian doesn't do much to change what's packaged with what. |
| 16:43.08 | nb-ben | I don't remember the exact name |
| 16:43.13 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: build-essential installs a LOT of unnecessary stuff. |
| 16:43.20 | kleanchap | erawfish_, For "iwlist ap" I am seeing 4 ap |
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| 16:43.28 | nb-ben | but I had to apt-get install php-something that's coming with the source package from php.net |
| 16:43.40 | nb-ben | that was recent |
| 16:43.51 | wart___ | erawfish_: ah that's what that meant sorry! |
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| 16:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | nb-ben: You have tools required for building packages, and libraries, headers, and components required for a specific package. |
| 16:44.05 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: you must have a different debian than me: Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5) |
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| 16:44.15 | kleanchap | How can you enable for root to login at the GDM? |
| 16:44.32 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: do you have a working root account or do you use sudo? |
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| 16:44.49 | kleanchap | I do have a working root account. |
| 16:44.50 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: What does that have to do with build-essentials? |
| 16:45.04 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: those are the dependencies of b-e |
| 16:45.17 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: What are you actually trying to do as root? |
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| 16:45.46 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: Agreed, you are running a different Debian than I am. |
| 16:45.47 | erawfish_ | kleanchap: should work just fine. tho it would be stupid to set up your WLAN like that. use gksu or gksudo for example |
| 16:45.50 | kleanchap | jhutchins, I want to configure my wifi connection which I can't do as myself. |
| 16:46.08 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: sid. but I kinda doubt it's much different in squeeze |
| 16:46.17 | wart___ | i haven't used debian in about 12 years; its slowly coming back to me :-) |
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| 16:46.45 | nb-ben | I have been using Ubuntu for a while |
| 16:46.46 | erawfish_ | ,depends build-essential |
| 16:46.47 | judd | Package build-essential in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5). |
| 16:46.49 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: You can run GUI utilities individually as root, that is the correct way to do it using the GUI. |
| 16:46.56 | nb-ben | I can't seem to find the difference between Debian and Ubuntu |
| 16:47.04 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: still a different debian compared to judd? |
| 16:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Network-manager, however, does not require the GUI applets to be run as root, so there is probably something else that isn't right. |
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| 16:47.28 | coppermi1e | if a usb device works with ubuntu will it work with debina? |
| 16:47.35 | coppermi1e | since they both use apt-get |
| 16:47.41 | wart___ | i've been using gentoo in the meanwhile. |
| 16:47.44 | nb-ben | coppermi1e: probably, has nothing to do with apt-get |
| 16:47.47 | erawfish_ | coppermi1e: yes. but it might not work out of the box |
| 16:47.50 | jair | if I lost audio after a couple of days working fine on my debian squezze what will be a quick way to restart alsa> |
| 16:47.53 | jair | ? |
| 16:47.55 | coppermi1e | apt-get is aptitude package manager, they both use it |
| 16:47.58 | kleanchap | jhutchins, ?? |
| 16:48.04 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: I know what aptitude offered to install in lenny. |
| 16:48.09 | jair | I tried looking at the init scripts and I only see alsa-restore and store |
| 16:48.19 | ompaul | jair: how did it die - what was done last etc |
| 16:48.20 | nb-ben | coppermi1e: apt-get is a tool, not a driver or device probe |
| 16:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Which release? |
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| 16:48.46 | jair | ompaul: I was playing a cnet tv video last night |
| 16:48.49 | erawfish_ | ,depends build-essential --release oldstable |
| 16:48.50 | judd | Package build-essential in lenny/i386 -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, g++ (>= 4:4.3.1), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5). |
| 16:48.51 | jair | it was working just fine |
| 16:48.56 | wart___ | i think the last debian i used was sarge |
| 16:49.06 | jair | jhutchins_lt: squeeze? debian 6 64bit |
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| 16:49.13 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: You're not going to convince me. |
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| 16:49.20 | nb-ben | anyone here running a debian server |
| 16:49.32 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: so what evils did build-essential foist upon you? |
| 16:49.32 | jair | nb-ben: I am |
| 16:49.36 | ompaul | jair: have you logged out and back in? |
| 16:49.41 | nb-ben | production debian server |
| 16:49.50 | jair | hmm I will loose all the stuff I am working on |
| 16:49.50 | nb-ben | how stable is it |
| 16:49.51 | erawfish_ | !tell nb-ben about polls |
| 16:49.52 | ompaul | suspects some kind of broken flash thingy |
| 16:50.00 | erawfish_ | nb-ben: stop wasting our time and yours |
| 16:50.00 | ompaul | jair: you can save it |
| 16:50.33 | jhutchins_lt | nb-ben: Debian stable is one of the most stable server distributions available. I would rank it ahead of RHEL and SuSE. |
| 16:50.42 | nb-ben | you may ignore me erawfish_ |
| 16:50.47 | jair | nb-ben: I use debian on squeeze on all my production servers and it is very easy to maintain up to date with security patches and new updates for applications as well |
| 16:50.51 | jair | ompaul: solid |
| 16:51.01 | nb-ben | I see |
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| 16:51.32 | nb-ben | heh, kind of scared to go on this quest of mine without freebsd |
| 16:51.34 | jair | nb-ben: what are you planning on running on the server? is this a 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 16:51.46 | nb-ben | debian hasn't done me wrong yet but it just doesn't feel as solid |
| 16:52.08 | boudiccas | nb-ben; compared to what? |
| 16:52.20 | nb-ben | 64bit SNB-E 16core raid10 server |
| 16:52.23 | jair | nb-ben: I will tell you it is a lot of support and running just as server is the best support mechanism I have seen out there including suse, redhat and ubuntu |
| 16:53.03 | jair | nb-ben: well I have been running mine on my laptops and they are my production machines |
| 16:53.13 | nb-ben | the support bit is kind of not the issue for me, i guess i can't find a real reason for me to not feel alright with it |
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| 16:53.19 | jair | nb-ben: raid 10 does come with it's controller right? |
| 16:53.26 | nb-ben | yes jair |
| 16:53.50 | nb-ben | I am talking about a production server that must not fail unexpectedly |
| 16:54.20 | nb-ben | not just production as in work |
| 16:54.22 | jair | nb-ben: then you should be just fine, I will recommend to give it a try and see if you get support out of the box to your nics, I am not sure if you will need video and audio. |
| 16:54.24 | vpelletier | slaps ietd around a bit with a trout: when designing "server grade" iscsi, think about a way to reload conf without interrupting service |
| 16:54.54 | ompaul | nb-ben: run debian stable, do not do unexpected things, and only hardware will bite you |
| 16:54.54 | jair | nb-ben: exactly that's way you create a system for testing first and run it for a couple of weeks or days |
| 16:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: It does seem to be cleaner these days, I was probably doing it on etch or etch-n-half. |
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| 16:55.17 | boudiccas | nb-ben; okay, i'll put it simply, compared to what distro? |
| 16:55.21 | jair | nb-ben: I do run debian since sarge and it is awesome |
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| 16:55.34 | nb-ben | I am not saying anything bad about Debian, but actually am hoping to have someone talk about the way it might compare in the server market |
| 16:55.43 | bvalek2 | i dont even see my soundcard(s?) in my alsamixer, only if i explicitly select them with F6 |
| 16:56.15 | nb-ben | I see.. |
| 16:56.23 | nb-ben | well I couldn't really pick up any bad things about debian for a server |
| 16:56.31 | jair | nb-ben: I think is very simple, install it on your system, ask questions to me if you like about update, upgrade, installation, configuration etc... |
| 16:56.32 | nb-ben | but also couldn't pick up any great things |
| 16:56.32 | bvalek2 | there seems to be a general problem here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=71551 |
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| 16:56.39 | nb-ben | I do have it installed |
| 16:56.44 | nb-ben | I am on it right now |
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| 16:56.49 | coppermine | if a device works on x86 in debian will it work with another arch in debian too? |
| 16:56.53 | rly | I think Debian lacks integration, but otherwise it is fine. |
| 16:57.08 | boudiccas | nb-ben; in other words, you're either just trolling or time-wasting |
| 16:57.11 | nb-ben | I am mainly installing it for the PV support for Xen |
| 16:57.19 | jair | nb-ben: you did not say what you will be running on it? servers for what? apache, samba, mysql? |
| 16:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | nb-ben: If you're going to run Linux Debian is an excellent choice. As to linux vs. bsd, that's something you'll have to decide. |
| 16:57.33 | jair | ohhh xen not even kvmlinux? |
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| 16:58.03 | jair | I have much more experience using it with kvmlinux as the hypervisor |
| 16:58.04 | nb-ben | boudiccas: if you put your big fragile egg in an unfamiliar basket, I am sure your perspective of what's wasting time would be different when looking at this case |
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| 16:58.40 | nb-ben | jair: it's just mostly because of Xen's PV |
| 16:58.49 | erawfish_ | nb-ben: do you have an actual debian support question? "how good is debian?" or "should I run debian" are NOT support questions for this channel |
| 16:58.55 | jair | nb-ben: there is a lot of wasting time on this channel sometimes, I think people should change their actitudes and know that people comes here to the channel to get solutions |
| 16:59.07 | jair | paravirtualization? |
| 16:59.21 | nb-ben | where do I discuss debian in generally then? |
| 16:59.26 | jair | nb-ben: I think kvmlinux offers that and more |
| 16:59.27 | nb-ben | -ly |
| 16:59.44 | nb-ben | I would think the common person would say #debian |
| 16:59.54 | erawfish_ | nb-ben: to choose a distro, use something like ##linux. this channel is for the people who already chose |
| 17:00.05 | Blackvel | tar ... | ssh ... "cat >/home/xxx/backup.tar.gz" |
| 17:00.09 | jair | nb-ben: here, I am just saying that if someone in the channel start making you waste time like been smart ass then ignore it and chat with someone that will be willing to help |
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| 17:00.24 | Blackvel | what does it run cat on the remote ssh server but creates backup.tar.gz on the local machine? |
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| 17:00.27 | Blackvel | why does.. |
| 17:00.32 | jhutchins_lt | nb-ben: This channel is intended for support as opposed to discussion, you could try #debian-offtopic, but expect debian-specific channels to know more about debian and less about debian vs. something else. |
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| 17:01.03 | jair | nb-ben: I don't think sending you to another channel is the solution, I use debian linux and I am not going to choose any other distro because I know how stable it is |
| 17:01.04 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: where else would it create the file? you told it with -f file.tar.gz option for tar |
| 17:01.43 | jair | nb-ben: so you should ask here direct questions about what you want to do, I am telling you be direct and simple to the point |
| 17:01.51 | nb-ben | jair: me neither, I think they took my need way out of context because it's a little vague of a question |
| 17:01.52 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: Tar will aslo output directly to ssh or to other processes. |
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| 17:02.22 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: of course it will output ot stdout, but he had "-f file.tar.gz" in his tar command above. so where else would tar create that file? |
| 17:02.35 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: if you output to stdout, -f is kinda useless, no? |
| 17:02.36 | nb-ben | well, basically I was just looking for some insight for whether or not there are things I could expect to be boldly different about Debian |
| 17:02.37 | jair | nb-ben: alright ask the questions or wht you would like to do with debian. I am going to step out and come back I need to get breakfast |
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| 17:02.59 | nb-ben | maybe issues or things that make debian shine but might be a showstopper for my needs |
| 17:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: Perhaps you could discern what he's actually trying to do - create the file on a remote system. |
| 17:03.11 | erawfish_ | jhutchins_lt: and how does -f for tar help that? |
| 17:03.26 | nb-ben | for example Gentoo's big advantage is also its pitfall for a server (needs too much configuration work) |
| 17:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | erawfish_: There was no -f in his question. Are you here to help or to argue with people? |
| 17:03.45 | Blackvel | erawfish_: i think i understand still too less about all this stuff... |
| 17:03.46 | nb-ben | so this is what I am looking for, what to expect from Debian |
| 17:03.53 | boudiccas | nb-ben; irrelevant! |
| 17:04.03 | nb-ben | boudiccas: /ignore nb-ben |
| 17:04.25 | Blackvel | erawfish_: anyways...I need taring over ssh WITHOUT local file creation :) even omitting the "f option", it creates it locally and does not send it to ssh |
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| 17:05.28 | nb-ben | I guess a kiddie community is some of it |
| 17:05.38 | nb-ben | lol |
| 17:05.43 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: and the filename would be? |
| 17:05.53 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: I've seen a lot of discussion of this on the net but never done it myself. One suggestion I find is tar --rsh-command=`which ssh` -zcvf remote_host:filename.tar.gz -- directory_to_tar |
| 17:05.53 | erawfish_ | nb-ben: please stop already |
| 17:06.10 | themill | nb-ben: it's hard for us to talk about why debian is good without criticising other distros and that isn't a productive things to do most of the time. That said, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 17:06.31 | nb-ben | if it's hard for YOU, then YOU should remain silent |
| 17:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: That command is not supposed to create local temp files and so not require local disk space. |
| 17:06.44 | themill | nb-ben: no, I'm telling you what this channel will do. |
| 17:06.58 | nb-ben | what's irrelevant is YOUR "Error: Unable to help" messages |
| 17:07.04 | themill | nb-ben: it would be convenient about now if you stopped telling everyone here what to do |
| 17:07.23 | Blackvel | erawfish_: the name of the cat (which used to be on the ssh remote server) |
| 17:07.27 | nb-ben | I simply asked a question about Debian |
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| 17:07.35 | nb-ben | and you guys turned it into an argument |
| 17:07.47 | themill | nb-ben: and you haven't even looked at the information that I gave to you in dpkg.... |
| 17:08.22 | nb-ben | I did, but I need answers from people who have experienced it in a production environment |
| 17:08.30 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: did ssh ask you for a password or is it set up to login automatically? |
| 17:08.35 | ompaul | nb-ben: it works - therefore I use it - there you go |
| 17:08.37 | nb-ben | as for the occassional user just rebooting because of something simple doesn't make a big deal |
| 17:08.45 | Blackvel | no pwd |
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| 17:08.56 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: is it set up to login automatically? |
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| 17:09.09 | Blackvel | prompts pwd |
| 17:09.56 | erawfish_ | Blackvel: use the simple line first, no /dev/null, no exclusion, etc |
| 17:10.09 | erawfish_ | on a simple, nice, small directoriy to make it easy |
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| 17:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: I've seen a lot of discussion of this on the net but never done it myself. One suggestion I find is tar --rsh-command=`which ssh` -zcvf remote_host:filename.tar.gz -- directory_to_tar |
| 17:11.10 | ompaul | nb-ben: and just in case I've about a hundred boxes all in servers desktops alike vpns routers firewalls road warriors firewalls shared intranet space - (and two web servers) |
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| 17:12.13 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: thanks. saw your 1st statement and testing it right now |
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| 17:15.34 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Just wanted to make sure it hadn't gotten lost in the discussion? |
| 17:15.34 | Blackvel | does not work on that VPS too. copies test.tar.gz into local /root folder |
| 17:15.55 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 17:16.18 | Blackvel | would it be really bad to use sshfs mount on 2nd server and tar that files locally? |
| 17:16.30 | kleanchap | How do I auto connect to the wifi network? I rebooted the system and am having to enter the password again. |
| 17:17.02 | Blackvel | prolly performance is a nogo...but at least I could get my migration finished....too many commands and options left... |
| 17:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Have a look at http://www.gnu.org/s/tar/manual/html_section/file.html - search for remote and it says _exactly_ how to do it. |
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| 17:18.23 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: thanks again for pushing me and offering me your recommendation1 |
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| 17:27.08 | Blackvel | trying now the tar over sshfs way....tar czvpf - does not even work...broken pipe...trying with tar cvpf now :) |
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| 17:28.53 | kleanchap | brb |
| 17:29.33 | Devastator | there was a famous file editor which had a yellow face or something like that, does anybody remember the name of it? |
| 17:29.45 | pleiotropy | hello. I know that I am in the wrong place, but maybe my problem is general. I am running Linux Mint. My audio is not working, no hardware is recognized in the sound preferences tab. I have an Intel HDA 6 card. Running lsmod gives back snd_hda_codec, I don't see snd_hda_intel |
| 17:30.00 | guardian | when setting up a new debian box; exim4 package is installed; but is it ready to go? (already configured? or do i have to configure it first?) |
| 17:30.32 | erawfish_ | guardian: basic config working, yes |
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| 17:32.49 | guardian | so echo "test" |mail -s "test" $USER is supposed to send me a mail? |
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| 17:34.07 | Calyp | How do i undelete a folder i recently deleted, can't fint it in my trashbin =/ |
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| 17:34.17 | valdyn | guardian: you already configured it or should have |
| 17:34.38 | valdyn | Calyp: theres no undelete |
| 17:35.05 | Calyp | o_O |
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| 17:35.43 | erawfish_ | !undelete |
| 17:35.44 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>. |
| 17:36.34 | pleiotropy | sorry to bother. anyone about my problem with the audio system? Is it fine to have snd_hda_codec loaded or snd_hda_intel also has to be? |
| 17:36.49 | erawfish_ | pleiotropy: we do not support mint. /msg dpkg mint |
| 17:37.40 | pleiotropy | erawfish_, I know, but it seems I cannot get support for it. I also think this is more of a general problem about pulseaudio and the new intel cards |
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| 17:38.03 | valdyn | pleiotropy: why do you think pulseaudio has anythign to do with your problem? |
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| 17:39.07 | pleiotropy | valdyn, I reinstalled it and do not see "pulseaudio" in the lsmod output, is this fine? |
| 17:39.17 | valdyn | pleiotropy: yes |
| 17:39.46 | pleiotropy | valdyn, still my audio is not working and no card is recognized in my sound preferences |
| 17:40.04 | boudiccas | pleiotropy; what dont you understand? we dont support mint. For your hardware problems try asking in ##hardware |
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| 17:40.12 | valdyn | pleiotropy: yes we know, but this is still not #mint |
| 17:40.25 | erawfish_ | pleiotropy: have you read the dpkg mint factoid? |
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| 17:42.37 | pleiotropy | erawfish_, thank you. I knew that. I also know that you don't support mint. I don't think this is a hardware problem, as inxi -A shows my card type. |
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| 17:44.51 | l0x_ph1x | What kernels work on a i686 cpu ? |
| 17:45.03 | valdyn | l0x_ph1x: the -686 kernels |
| 17:45.06 | erawfish_ | l0x_ph1x: the i386 arch with 686 kernels |
| 17:45.07 | dvs | hmmmmm.... 686\? |
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| 17:48.23 | Calyp | seriously, if i accidentally deleted a folder of (really important) documents, is there no way i can rescue it??? |
| 17:48.42 | erawfish_ | Calyp: have you read the above factoid? |
| 17:48.43 | boudiccas | Calyp; restore from your backups |
| 17:48.47 | dvs | backups? |
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| 17:50.40 | pleiotropy | so, please has anyone ideas about my audio problem. I doubt it is a distro specific issue |
| 17:51.02 | kleanchap | erawfish_, Thnx for all the help! I have my Debian + wifi setup. :-) |
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| 17:51.41 | kleanchap | Debian has become lot more easier than about 12 years when I tried it briefly. |
| 17:51.44 | jhutchins_lt | pleiotropy: Install Debian, see if the problem recurrs. If it does, we can help you then. |
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| 17:52.02 | valdyn | Calyp: delete means delete, if you want to move to trash instead of delete then move to trash instead of delete. It's very simple |
| 17:52.12 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: finally...got my tar with sshfs :) |
| 17:52.32 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: xlnt. |
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| 17:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | Calyp: You'll have to restore it from your backup. |
| 17:53.47 | kleanchap | I have other tools I need to do updates to now. I am trying to run wicd and getting the following error message. http://pastebin.com/TaKL1163 |
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| 17:56.08 | LordTrev | # swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation |
| 17:56.10 | LordTrev | UUID=8974c223-ad2a-42cf-8fae-b9ca0c3ffa81 none swap sw |
| 17:56.14 | LordTrev | I don't understand. |
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| 17:57.01 | AR-Brad | Hi all. Is it possible to download Wireless-tools in a way other then apt-get? |
| 17:57.19 | erawfish_ | LordTrev: you don't understand what? /msg dpkg uuid |
| 17:57.24 | erawfish_ | !tell AR-Brad about pdo |
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| 17:57.43 | AR-Brad | Packages? |
| 17:58.16 | LordTrev | erawfish_, thank you |
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| 17:58.42 | AR-Brad | Thanks, erawfish_ |
| 17:59.42 | LordTrev | It says use 'blkid' but not found.... |
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| 18:00.55 | zykotick9 | LordTrev, blkid requires root, or sudo to work |
| 18:01.36 | LordTrev | zykotick9, weird, I had to use sudo su to use it |
| 18:01.54 | LordTrev | How can I see information about partitions? |
| 18:02.08 | LordTrev | Size, etc |
| 18:02.17 | zykotick9 | "fdisk -l" or "mount" perhaps? |
| 18:03.07 | LordTrev | Ok, my swap is big enough so...hmmm |
| 18:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: sudo does not give you root's path. You don't need sudo with su, just su - |
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| 18:03.22 | LordTrev | What would be reasons for hibernating to randomly fail? |
| 18:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: Failure of hardware supporters to follow the standards for sleep mode or to document their configuration and API and to support Linux. |
| 18:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | s/supporters/suppliers |
| 18:04.42 | valdyn | LordTrev: remove drivers before hibernating till you find the one that is causing this issue |
| 18:05.19 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: I have an acer one, and it's a little bit random as to what mode it will go into and what it will do on recovery. |
| 18:05.51 | guardian | i thought debian was configured to send/receive local mails. but i'm getting: guardian@ace R=hub_user_smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (111): Connection refused |
| 18:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: If it's connected to power it usually suspends to ram on lid close, if it's not it suspends to disk. |
| 18:05.59 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: Which are you trying to do? |
| 18:05.59 | LordTrev | jhutchins_lt, yeah, its a acer netbook, eeePC |
| 18:06.15 | guardian | is this supposed to be normal? (note i didn't configured anything related to exim; i thought it came already configured for local mails in squeeze) |
| 18:06.27 | valdyn | guardian: yes, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 18:06.50 | valdyn | guardian: "remote_smtp_smarthost" is not "local" |
| 18:07.48 | guardian | ok thx, i thought i could quickly get something working, but i'll read all the doc; rite of passage i would have preferred to avoid :) |
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| 18:08.11 | LordTrev | jhutchins_lt, I have a cer eeePC netbook, and on lid close I suspend to disk |
| 18:08.17 | LordTrev | Using gnome-power-manager |
| 18:08.29 | LordTrev | acer* |
| 18:08.52 | zykotick9 | LordDeath, i assume you mean asus eeepc? or do you have an acer? |
| 18:10.21 | bvalek2 | there seems to be a real problem with the default kernel in 6.0.3. however using the backported kernel didnt solve my problem either. now the mixers finally see the two soundcards, but i still dont have sound. i tried every step of alsa-checklist |
| 18:10.38 | bvalek2 | and other linux distributions have sound on this laptop, out of the box |
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| 18:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: Because manufacturers don't follow the standards exactly there is variation that doesn't get perfectly handled by the linux tools. |
| 18:11.27 | jhutchins_lt | LordTrev: Acer does not make the eeePC. |
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| 18:12.25 | LordTrev | asus* |
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| 18:14.34 | bvalek2 | sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav -> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 18:14.37 | bvalek2 | :( |
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| 18:15.54 | raven | how to poweroff the system by command? |
| 18:16.13 | bvalek2 | shutdown -h now |
| 18:16.20 | bvalek2 | to raven |
| 18:17.01 | raven | bvalek2, why the poweroff command behaves like halt? |
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| 18:17.21 | philluminati | Any idea when gcc 4.6 will go into debian stable please? |
| 18:17.35 | bvalek2 | raven: i dont know |
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| 18:17.45 | philluminati | I'm not sure if it's in testing or experimental at the moment |
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| 18:18.17 | philluminati | There's a huge difference between g++ 4.4 and g++ 4.6 in terms of C++11 support |
| 18:18.33 | philluminati | and I'd really like to learn the cleanest, newest version of the language |
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| 18:20.04 | raven | the system does not poweroff by ANY command |
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| 18:20.48 | philluminati | raven, what happens with shutdown -h now? Does it say the machine is now safe to switch off without actually doing so? |
| 18:21.20 | LordTrev | jhutchins_lt, I found a package that makes suspend work properly with eeePC's ( eeepc-acpi-scripts ) |
| 18:21.25 | raven | philluminati, right shutdown -hP now also |
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| 18:22.24 | philluminati | raven, sorry. what does the shutdown whatever command actually do on your machine? Give you a "ok to switch off now message"? |
| 18:22.48 | raven | philluminati, right |
| 18:22.50 | philluminati | because if the machine is really old it may not have ACPI support enabled in the BIOS to let the machine do that. |
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| 18:23.29 | philluminati | maybe have a look in the BIOS to see if it has an option for it |
| 18:23.41 | raven | philluminati, it is able to |
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| 18:24.14 | philluminati | then sorry I don't know. |
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| 18:36.01 | dokma | Where is this info stored: Last login: Sun Nov 6 17:03:22 2011 from 166-131.dsl.iskon.hr ??? |
| 18:36.08 | dokma | it appears on a terminal login |
| 18:36.37 | vpelletier | dokma: /var/log/?tmp |
| 18:36.44 | vpelletier | I don't remember if it's wtmp or btmp |
| 18:36.46 | vpelletier | maybe both |
| 18:36.49 | dokma | tx |
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| 18:44.14 | bvalek2 | is it safe, if two installed linux distributions share the same /tmp partition? |
| 18:44.17 | bvalek2 | i used to share /home and swap without problems |
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| 18:44.56 | rozie | bvalek2: yes |
| 18:45.10 | valdyn | bvalek2: /tmp is cleared every reboot |
| 18:45.18 | vpelletier | bvalek2: shouldn't be a problem as long as they are not running at the same time |
| 18:45.21 | bvalek2 | i assume, that sharing /var is not such a clever idea... |
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| 18:46.04 | bvalek2 | vpelletier: it will be a multiboot system, they wont run concurrently |
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| 18:46.27 | valdyn | bvalek2: whats the point of having 2 distros? |
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| 18:46.51 | vpelletier | personally, I would avoid sharing /home, except with closely-matching software versions... |
| 18:47.03 | qwer | Hello people. Does a free software graphic driver exist for my net book? lspci > http://pastebin.com/9tpWw9qL |
| 18:47.11 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 18:47.12 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 18:47.13 | valdyn | qwer: ^^ |
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| 18:47.36 | qwer | valdyn: ?^^ |
| 18:47.52 | valdyn | qwer: thats pointing to what dpkg said |
| 18:47.55 | urlin2u | valdyn, why not if you only run one distro that is all you know, which is okay if that is all you want. |
| 18:48.17 | bvalek2 | valdyn: one of them will be used for everyday purposes, and on the other i will have activities that risk system integrity on a daily basis. vpelletier: if i use different usernames in the shared /home for each distro, this would solve the problem, right? |
| 18:48.35 | valdyn | urlin2u: i would use a chroot except for evaluation purposes. That's why im asking. |
| 18:48.46 | vpelletier | bvalek2: right |
| 18:48.58 | valdyn | bvalek2: thats one situation where a chroot is easier to deal with |
| 18:49.07 | urlin2u | valdyn, I see. I had not read the whole post set. :D |
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| 18:50.18 | vpelletier | bvalek2: ah, something else: take care about uid & gid between distros |
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| 18:51.32 | bvalek2 | vpelletier: why? |
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| 18:52.05 | vpelletier | ie, if you have one home owned by 500:500 and the other by 1000:1000 (because each distro decided to start at different "first normal user [ug]id") you will have to jump through (easy) hoops to read files from the non-currently-running distro |
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| 18:52.42 | sshack | Hi, does anyone have an ancient debian box online that I could compile some old software on? Just need to extract an xmil file (compressed xml) |
| 18:52.45 | valdyn | sytem users arent that "easy" |
| 18:53.06 | Sm0ke0ut | ancient? |
| 18:53.10 | valdyn | sshack: you can create a chroot yourself |
| 18:53.22 | valdyn | sshack: or a vm |
| 18:53.33 | bvalek2 | vpelletier: debian starts with 1000:1000 right? |
| 18:53.40 | nb-ben | sshack this is not the best nickname to ask for access with |
| 18:53.46 | nb-ben | :P |
| 18:53.47 | sshack | valdyn: Tried creating a virtual box vm. the partition table wouldn't stick when I made one. |
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| 18:53.57 | vpelletier | valdyn: it was only about /home. if he want to share persistent data owned by system users, fun will begin :) |
| 18:54.00 | sshack | nb-ben: It's the one my mother gave me. |
| 18:54.01 | vpelletier | bvalek2: yes |
| 18:54.12 | nb-ben | looks like ss-hack |
| 18:54.13 | nb-ben | :P |
| 18:54.28 | nb-ben | + looking for old machine o.o |
| 18:54.31 | sshack | nb-ben: Yarh! lower yer sails and prepare to be boarded! |
| 18:54.38 | bvalek2 | one more question: what kind of problems would happen, if /var is shared in a multiboot environment? |
| 18:54.41 | nb-ben | lol |
| 18:54.45 | valdyn | sshack: so fix your vm setup, dont ask for shell access here |
| 18:54.52 | sshack | nb-ben: Actually, whoever can do the compiling for me, if I want. |
| 18:55.08 | vpelletier | bvalek2: there come the fun system user [ug]id part I was mentioning :) |
| 18:55.18 | thewanderer1 | sshack, which release do you need in particular? |
| 18:55.27 | sshack | valdyn: You don't have to be a dick, you know? |
| 18:55.32 | somiaj | bvalek2: /var containes /var/lib/dpkg wich contains all of your installed applications, the apt-database is there...it will cause lots of problems. |
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| 18:55.39 | valdyn | sshack: but im going to be if you keep this on |
| 18:55.55 | sshack | thewanderer1: Don't really care, but the last knob gcc version that would compile this is 2.95, so I think debian woody (3.0) |
| 18:56.00 | bvalek2 | hah |
| 18:56.05 | qwer | hi people. i'm a beginner. how can i install the psb_gfx driver? |
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| 18:56.15 | bvalek2 | thanks a lot for the help |
| 18:56.40 | sshack | thewanderer1: Actually, I don't care about a shell at all. Just want to extract the corneal topology data from this file. |
| 18:56.53 | thewanderer1 | sshack, you could try getting a Sarge chroot tarball from here: http://download.openvz.org/template/precreated/unsupported/ ... maybe gcc 2.95 works on it and is available in the archival repos? |
| 18:57.22 | thewanderer1 | try looking around the rest of the download site, they might incidentally happen to host older Debian release images there |
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| 18:57.53 | sshack | I've got a 3.0 iso. But on my virtual box the partition table won't stick when I write it. |
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| 19:03.18 | qwer | Hello. I'm running squeeze. How can I install the psb_gfx driver which is part of linux 3.0? |
| 19:04.03 | somiaj | qwer: if it isn't in the backported 2.6.39 kernel you'll have to compile your own 3.0 kernel, and not sure about getting the other parts for xorg and the likes. |
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| 19:04.43 | macmouse | Does /etc/apt/preferences require special ownership/permissions? I've created a file matching this guide (http://circuidipity.com/daniel/install_debian_linux_squeeze/), but apt-cache policy keeps showing all of the sources as having the same default priority (500) |
| 19:05.03 | qwer | somiaj: ok thx |
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| 19:06.26 | b0mbadil | hi |
| 19:06.49 | qwer | can i install packages with aptitude without root which are available only for my useraccount? |
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| 19:07.11 | dokma | qwer: nope |
| 19:07.25 | dokma | but you can download packages and unpack them |
| 19:07.37 | dokma | if all the libs are on the system the executables might work |
| 19:07.43 | macmouse | qwer: You could extract the packages, but then you would have to manually set it up |
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| 19:08.20 | thewanderer1 | sshack, try KVM then, maybe VirtualBox is just buggy |
| 19:08.33 | qwer | Why isn't it possible? |
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| 19:10.49 | qwer | doesn't matter. good bye and thanks for your time. |
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| 19:11.06 | sshack | thewanderer1: Actually, I changed the disk controller to die (rather than data) and it's installing now. |
| 19:11.18 | mopderp | i don't have a questio about Debian GNU/Linux |
| 19:11.26 | mopderp | does that make me a bad person? |
| 19:11.37 | sylar | something overwritten my /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache ; Does anyone know what it is? |
| 19:12.01 | macmouse | Did they change the formatting from /etc/apt/preferences to /etc/apt/preferences.d, stopping support for the old format? |
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| 19:13.15 | thewanderer1 | macmouse, no, you put your changes in preferences and preferences.d is the place where packages install their extra configs for apt |
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| 19:14.48 | macmouse | thewanderer1: that's what I thought... I'm giving testing priority -10, set default-release to "squeeze" and it still wants to use the testing packages |
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| 19:16.22 | thewanderer1 | err, give some priority to Squeeze as well |
| 19:16.25 | bvalek2 | vpelletier: bad news... the other linux distro is using 500:500 uid:gid (blackpanther os). so, what do i have to do, when it shares /home with debian? |
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| 19:17.21 | vpelletier | bvalek2: it should be possible to explicitly request uid=1000 and gid=1000 when creating a user on it |
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| 19:17.25 | thewanderer1 | bvalek2, you need to synchronize UIDs between systems |
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| 19:18.02 | bvalek2 | vpelletier , thewanderer1 : thanks, will do |
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| 19:21.21 | macmouse | thewanderer1: Squeeze and stable (made two entries, one for each just in case) and they both are being set to 500 |
| 19:21.45 | macmouse | even though I set them to 900 in the config |
| 19:22.06 | gamer1990 | After each login my locales are set to POSIX, i tried many HowTo's to customize my locales, but the locales are set permanent to POSIX. Is their any way to solve this? (Debian 6.0.3 without GUI) |
| 19:22.13 | thewanderer1 | and you surely named that preferences, not preferences.conf or sth like that? |
| 19:22.32 | thewanderer1 | gamer1990, dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 19:22.48 | macmouse | yeah, it's in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 19:22.58 | macmouse | or rather it is |
| 19:23.21 | bvalek2 | vpelletier , thewanderer1 : but if i create different usernames on the two distributions, it should not be a problem, that they have different uid:gid, right? |
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| 19:23.45 | Darkasakerionz | Hi! I recently install a openvpn server and client, and works very well, but only point to point, I can't access to de internet, how can I fix that?. Thank you so so much. |
| 19:24.05 | thewanderer1 | bvalek2, kernel does not care about names, only UID/GID exist in the kernel |
| 19:24.10 | macmouse | bvalek2: there is an option in adduser, where you can select which UID/GID to use |
| 19:24.16 | thewanderer1 | and that's what permission checking uses |
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| 19:24.43 | vpelletier | bvalek2: it all depends on what you intend to do between those folders. I guess that sharing the mountpoint means you will at some point want to read files from the other home. |
| 19:24.48 | Darkasakerionz | the* |
| 19:25.04 | bvalek2 | vpelletier: yes |
| 19:25.17 | gamer1990 | No change thewanderer1, i tried this as well, console-data, console-setup as well, and entrys in /etc/default/locale are ignored too. |
| 19:25.22 | dioz_ | Darkasakerionz: you have to set routes |
| 19:25.35 | macmouse | Darkasakerionz: It depends on how your network is setup |
| 19:25.56 | vpelletier | bvalek2: and I think the simplest way to make sure this is possible is to use the same uids and/or gids for both users, even if they have different logins: security applying to one will apply to the other |
| 19:26.31 | Darkasakerionz | dioz_, macmouse , can you tell me some info for making the routes?. Thank you. |
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| 19:26.52 | macmouse | Darkasakerionz: did you follow a particular guide when setting up VPN? |
| 19:27.29 | bvalek2 | vpelletier: i see, thanks |
| 19:27.45 | bvalek2 | brb, going to implement this |
| 19:27.55 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: One problem with sharing /home is that different distributions use different versions of GUI programs that store configuration data in /home/<user> |
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| 19:28.04 | macmouse | Darkasakerionz: also, do you have a "router" at home or is it a connection that is ONLY used by that one computer? |
| 19:28.05 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, well... I read a lot of guides, and tutorials, and too much stuff, but never work, I try a videotutorial for point to point, and works well.. So, that's it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrZlsRo5t0I |
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| 19:28.19 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, yes, only that computer |
| 19:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: You're usually OK when going from an earlier version to a later one, but it can be impossible to go back. |
| 19:28.24 | bvalek2 | jhutchins_lt: the solution is, that i will use different usernames, so the config data wont get mixed up |
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| 19:28.30 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, I have a modem, and the other part it's a vps |
| 19:28.43 | macmouse | vps? |
| 19:28.50 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, virtual private server |
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| 19:28.55 | macmouse | ahh |
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| 19:29.19 | macmouse | so you are running openvpn on the vps, then? |
| 19:29.26 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: One thing that might be useful is to create a common, shared directory accessible by all users for things like music and documents. |
| 19:29.31 | gamer1990 | No other way to solve this problem with the locales? |
| 19:29.33 | macmouse | the server part |
| 19:29.40 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, yes, I'm using openvpn on the two parts, the server and the client |
| 19:29.45 | jhutchins_lt | bvalek2: I do that with a network share, which can make it easier. |
| 19:30.29 | Darkasakerionz | the problem it's the routing table, because, when I write in the direction bar of the navigator, the ip of the server vpn, I can access to the webpage of apache service |
| 19:31.35 | bvalek2 | jhutchins_lt: i will share /home on a multiboot system, between two different distributions |
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| 19:31.50 | fugdnscerd1 | havin trouble connecting to wifi with debian squeeze and network-manager. keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/7SVX34ia would troubleshoot more but i cannot find out what the device state codes and reason codes mean |
| 19:32.59 | macmouse | Darkasakerionz: It will be tricky without knowing your network setup... |
| 19:33.02 | fugdnscerd1 | i have connected to this ap before and the password has not changed |
| 19:33.14 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, oh, no problem, wait a minute |
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| 19:34.56 | macmouse | Darkasakerionz: A simple (but crude way) to do it is to type in on the vps "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" (as root), then set your gateway ip address to the vps address (from the tutorial 10.8.0.1) |
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| 19:35.36 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, ok, I will try it, here's the config: http://dpaste.com/648428/ |
| 19:35.41 | vpelletier | note to self: dpkg configuring openvpn in a chroot kills an iscsi-rooted host... |
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| 19:36.14 | macmouse | is your home computer running linux as well, or is it windows/mac? |
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| 19:36.48 | Darkasakerionz | linux, omg, I don't want to be a traitor to the free software ;D |
| 19:36.58 | Darkasakerionz | I write that, so... I try it |
| 19:37.01 | Darkasakerionz | Give me a second |
| 19:37.45 | macmouse | hehe |
| 19:37.53 | Darkasakerionz | ok |
| 19:37.55 | Darkasakerionz | don't work :/ |
| 19:38.02 | macmouse | okay, then you probably will need to add a route on your home computer as well |
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| 19:38.22 | macmouse | the first one tells the vps it is ok for it to pass network traffic between different networks |
| 19:38.44 | macmouse | next, you need to tell your home computer that it want to use vps |
| 19:38.48 | macmouse | to send it out |
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| 19:39.26 | macmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.01 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, In the server..? |
| 19:40.11 | macmouse | Oh, on your home computer |
| 19:40.22 | Darkasakerionz | ok, wait.. |
| 19:40.38 | macmouse | wait - is this the same one you are talking on right now? |
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| 19:40.59 | Hodapp | so if NFS doesn't want me to mount... then what freaking IP does it think I am trying to mount from... |
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| 19:41.50 | Darkasakerionz | Still don't work :/ |
| 19:41.53 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, yes XD |
| 19:42.06 | macmouse | Darkasakerionz: Ah, well at least it did not kick you offline |
| 19:42.11 | macmouse | if the number was wrong |
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| 19:42.24 | macmouse | a simple reboot would reset the route though |
| 19:42.43 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, ok.. But it isn't still working... |
| 19:42.46 | Darkasakerionz | I add the route |
| 19:42.49 | macmouse | did it give you an error message? |
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| 19:43.10 | Darkasakerionz | waitting for connection, on the web browser |
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| 19:43.46 | jfb86 | hello |
| 19:44.18 | jhutchins_lt | Darkasakerionz: You have to tell the VPN server to forward packets to the internet from the VPN connection. |
| 19:44.47 | Darkasakerionz | jhutchins_lt, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:44.52 | Darkasakerionz | is not that? |
| 19:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | Darkasakerionz: Nope, it's in the VPN server configuration. |
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| 19:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | Oh blast, mine's not on the server, it's on a linksys running DD-WRT. |
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| 19:46.28 | Darkasakerionz | jhutchins_lt, ? |
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| 19:47.11 | macmouse | jhutchins_lt: He is able to ping his server through the tunnel and access the webpage |
| 19:47.23 | Darkasakerionz | yep |
| 19:47.29 | macmouse | well... wait... can you normally ping the vps and access it's webpage? |
| 19:47.34 | Darkasakerionz | I have dmz on my ip |
| 19:47.37 | Darkasakerionz | yes |
| 19:47.43 | Darkasakerionz | no |
| 19:47.45 | Darkasakerionz | ok |
| 19:48.07 | Darkasakerionz | when I have the vpn activated I can't ping the ip external address of the vpn |
| 19:48.18 | Darkasakerionz | only the: 10.8.*** |
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| 19:48.39 | vpelletier | Darkasakerionz: sorry for taking part late in the dicsussion, are you using openvpn ? if so, this will probably be useful: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#redirect |
| 19:48.44 | Darkasakerionz | but, If I access to localhost, I access to the webpage, listenning of the external ip |
| 19:50.01 | vpelletier | openvpn can add all needed routes so all connections get tunelled, while preserving the route needed for the vpn connection itself |
| 19:50.22 | macmouse | yeah, that looks way easier |
| 19:50.30 | aussa | what other test do you recommend me besides glxgears, I'm testing hybrid graphics and that is the only test that says dedicated is better than integrated... |
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| 19:50.50 | macmouse | I've never used openvpn specifically before, so I was just making guesses.. |
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| 19:51.29 | Darkasakerionz | I will try it... |
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| 19:52.48 | macmouse | another way to do it (if all you want is internet) is to run it over ssh. As long as SSH is running on the VPS (which it sounds like it does), it should work |
| 19:53.24 | macmouse | "ssh user@servername -D 1080" and then then run proxychains (http://sourceforge.net/projects/proxychains/) pointing it to localhost 1080 |
| 19:53.42 | macmouse | or set the proxy settings in firefox |
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| 19:54.50 | vpelletier | is shocked by the openvpn site |
| 19:54.53 | Darkasakerionz | macmouse, that's the thing, I can only redirect tcp traffic, and I wish to redirect udp traffic too |
| 19:55.09 | macmouse | ah |
| 19:55.10 | vpelletier | last time I went there, there was a one-page howto in raw text, black-on-white |
| 19:55.38 | Darkasakerionz | I can't get to work |
| 19:55.39 | Darkasakerionz | :/ |
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| 19:56.08 | Darkasakerionz | I write that in the server conf: push "redirect-gateway def1". I restart the service, and still don't work |
| 19:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | !es |
| 19:57.28 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 19:57.43 | Darkasakerionz | ? |
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| 19:58.36 | Darkasakerionz | !en |
| 19:58.37 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 19:58.39 | Darkasakerionz | haha |
| 19:59.29 | muszek | hi... I'm _moving_ a lot of stuff from dir /home/a to /home/b (same partition) and it's like these files are being copied (the operation is not near-instant, it takes as long as if they were copied, not moved). Why this happens? |
| 19:59.37 | jfb86 | Darkasakerionz: hello, what's your question? i'm just coming |
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| 19:59.54 | macmouse | vpelletier: don't you want to replace def1 in "redirect-gateway def1" with your actual gateway? or does it autodetect? |
| 20:00.08 | vpelletier | macmouse: I wans jus checking that in the man :) |
| 20:00.17 | Darkasakerionz | Hello jfb86!, well I configurate a openvpn server, but don't redirect all the ip traffic to the server |
| 20:00.27 | fasta | Is there some howto/documentation which spells out how to get bind9 (and preferably a whole website) running for a toplevel domain like myblah.com? |
| 20:00.32 | vpelletier | quoting man: def1 -- Use this flag to override the default gateway by using 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.0/1 rather than 0.0.0.0/0. This has the benefit of overriding but not wiping out the original default gateway. |
| 20:00.43 | jfb86 | vpelletier: vincent? est-ce avec quoi que j'ai travaillé dans les années 2000 à cdtel? |
| 20:00.54 | jhutchins_lt | Darkasakerionz: Have you enabled forwarding in sysctl.conf? |
| 20:00.57 | macmouse | muszek: it depends on what file system you are using... If you have a *lot* of small files, it often takes longer because each file has a separate record that has to be updated |
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| 20:01.52 | jfb86 | Dark: did you think about route add? |
| 20:02.18 | Darkasakerionz | jhutchins_lt, Yes, It is |
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| 20:02.53 | Darkasakerionz | jfb86, Yes, I put that line: route add default gw 10.8.0.1 tun0 |
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| 20:03.03 | muszek | macmouse: ext4. I see a progressbar while files are being copied (I'm using midnight commander) |
| 20:03.57 | vpelletier | Darkasakerionz: actually, the openvpn config alone is supposed to setup all needed routes |
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| 20:04.10 | Darkasakerionz | vpelletier, hmmm strange |
| 20:04.28 | vpelletier | Darkasakerionz: so besides putting in on server config, restarting server & client, no further changes should be needed |
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| 20:04.48 | vpelletier | maybe there are extra remaining routes which work around openvpn settings ? |
| 20:04.51 | Bushmills | Darkasakerionz: check out the openvpn --redirect-gateway configuration directive |
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| 20:04.55 | Darkasakerionz | oh! :DD |
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| 20:04.58 | muszek | macmouse: I mean "I see a progressbar of single files while they're being moved" (so for example it takes a minute to move a 700MB file) |
| 20:05.06 | Darkasakerionz | I configure the nat in the server and works! |
| 20:05.09 | Darkasakerionz | thank u soooo much! |
| 20:05.11 | Darkasakerionz | ;D |
| 20:05.34 | macmouse | muszek: I'm not familiar with midnight commander... it could be a setting where it is super conservative and makes a copy of each file first and then deletes the old one |
| 20:05.45 | vpelletier | aah, sorry... I forgot server had to allow NAT :) |
| 20:06.06 | Bushmills | there's a danger in setting default gw the way you did it - which is there may be no route to the openvpn server, which is needed - the tunnel can't be routed through itself |
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| 20:06.39 | fasta | Is there any good doumentation for setting up a DNS server and getting proper host names that go with it for Debian? |
| 20:06.52 | vpelletier | Bushmills: shouldn't be a problem if he uses redirect-gateway (which should be the case now) |
| 20:06.53 | jfb86 | yeah!! we called it the split tunneling!! (enabling NAT on VPN)!! :) |
| 20:07.09 | macmouse | Bushmills: I agree, I mainly mentioned it for testing purposes. Darkasakerionz we should get you to delete the route now that it is working |
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| 20:08.28 | macmouse | I think it should be "route delete gateway 10.8.0.1" |
| 20:08.39 | Bushmills | fasta: "getting proper host names" other than setting them up in a zone file? |
| 20:09.44 | StephenS | hello |
| 20:10.00 | StephenS | my yamaha sound card driver is installed and its primary aka 0 |
| 20:10.13 | StephenS | its unmuted master is to 100% but I still cant hear music on youtube /chrome why? |
| 20:10.25 | macmouse | muszek: try moving a few of the files using the "mv" command and see if works instantly |
| 20:10.40 | StephenS | Hardware is yamaha analog stereo duplex |
| 20:10.45 | fasta | Bushmills: I just need some authorative piece of documentation. This is out of date. What isn't out of date? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 20:11.03 | StephenS | oh it seems chrome is fixing |
| 20:11.09 | StephenS | on its self |
| 20:11.14 | StephenS | I hear music for a second and then dont, how is this possible? |
| 20:11.17 | fasta | Bushmills: I also don't know what a zone file exactly is. I just need some hand holding documentation with some explanation. |
| 20:11.18 | Bushmills | fasta: how about the man page of the name server you're intending to deploy? |
| 20:11.18 | StephenS | crazy |
| 20:12.00 | StephenS | is my sound card broken or what? |
| 20:12.06 | jfb86 | StephenS: is your user member to the group audio |
| 20:12.13 | jfb86 | ? |
| 20:12.19 | StephenS | yes but I can hear music for a second |
| 20:12.23 | jhutchins | fasta: That particular section isn't out of date, nor is the bind howto at http://tldp.org |
| 20:12.27 | StephenS | like its going up one sec and then disappear another |
| 20:12.30 | fasta | Bushmills: those are usually written to be understood by people who invented the Internet, AFAIK, worked years at Yahoo!. |
| 20:12.32 | StephenS | mostly i dont hear anything |
| 20:12.34 | Bushmills | fasta: i think you first need to describe your goal better you usually don't "get" host names. you set them up. unless, that is, you set up that you "get" them :) |
| 20:12.36 | StephenS | adduser stefan audio is ok |
| 20:12.40 | kleanchap | I am installing LXDE and getting the following error message: |
| 20:12.42 | kleanchap | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/503895/ |
| 20:12.48 | jhutchins | fasta: You might find dnsmasq easier to configure though. |
| 20:13.04 | fasta | Bushmills: the goal would be to be able to tell my registrar to point at my machine for web and e-mail handling. |
| 20:13.10 | jfb86 | audio with which soft? |
| 20:13.21 | kleanchap | I got several of those lines. |
| 20:13.42 | fasta | Bushmills: I believe I need a DNS server to make that work. |
| 20:13.42 | Bushmills | fasta: don't bother for now setting up your own name servers. use those offered by your registrar, which saves you some grief for now |
| 20:13.43 | StephenS | yamaha |
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| 20:14.05 | fasta | Bushmills: my registrar doesn't allow subdomains for example. |
| 20:14.15 | Bushmills | they'll probably provide a web interface for setting up your zone. easy peasy, usually |
| 20:14.16 | StephenS | This is hardware which I have |
| 20:14.18 | jhutchins | fasta: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 20:14.20 | StephenS | 01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller] (rev 03) |
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| 20:14.38 | jfb86 | perhaps the group yamaha needs to include your user? oh i think about one thing, are you using jackd? |
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| 20:14.53 | Bushmills | fasta: you may have enough setting up host names in your zone, no need for actual subdomains. |
| 20:14.58 | StephenS | modprobe -r snd-ymfpci ; modprobe snd-ymfpci |
| 20:14.58 | StephenS | FATAL: Module snd_ymfpci is in use. |
| 20:15.27 | jhutchins | fasta: There is also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Chroot-BIND-HOWTO.html |
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| 20:15.47 | jfb86 | dpkg-reconfigure jackd, and the real time priority to no |
| 20:16.11 | jhutchins | fasta: If there are things you don't know about, like what a zone file is, you need to learn about them rather than find a way to do this without knowing about them. |
| 20:16.14 | StephenS | what to do ? |
| 20:16.39 | jfb86 | try : dpkg-reconfigure jackd |
| 20:16.49 | jhutchins | !tell StephenS about alsa checklist |
| 20:16.50 | jfb86 | change realtime priority to no |
| 20:16.59 | Bushmills | fasta: then use another provider of name servers. there are several you can use without paying. read about delegation if your registrar is not your name server provider. |
| 20:17.11 | jfb86 | excuse my english, i need much vocabulary :) |
| 20:17.13 | fasta | jhutchins: I don't mind learning that, but I just want some documentation which applies to my actual system and is sort of goal oriented (i.e. setup a DNS server on Debian where every line is explained). |
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| 20:17.33 | jhutchins | start with the URLs I have posted then. |
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| 20:17.38 | jhutchins | fasta: ^ |
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| 20:17.55 | jfb86 | jhutchins is right for alsa |
| 20:17.57 | jhutchins | fasta: Like I said, the DNS portion of the handbook is not obsolete. |
| 20:18.10 | StephenS | yes i did all the following |
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| 20:18.55 | jfb86 | StephenS: check the pulseaudio too |
| 20:19.02 | StephenS | howq? |
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| 20:19.34 | StephenS | when i raise or low levels on master i hear beeping so it means my sound card works |
| 20:19.36 | fasta | Bushmills: can you give one company which does free dns delegation? |
| 20:19.43 | jfb86 | did you have pulseaudio installed? |
| 20:19.44 | StephenS | but i hear music from my browser occasionally |
| 20:19.52 | Bushmills | he.net (hurricane electric) for example |
| 20:20.06 | Bushmills | delegation is what you ask your registrar to set up |
| 20:20.15 | StephenS | pulseaudio |
| 20:20.15 | StephenS | E: pid.c: Daemon already running. |
| 20:20.15 | StephenS | E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 20:20.30 | jfb86 | hummm.... |
| 20:20.44 | jfb86 | are you logged in as root or as user? |
| 20:20.46 | fasta | Bushmills: yes, but it needs to point at an actual DNS server in the end (which is what I meant). |
| 20:20.47 | StephenS | user |
| 20:20.47 | Bushmills | he.net offers use of name servers without paying |
| 20:20.54 | StephenS | and what confuses me is I hear sound |
| 20:21.00 | fasta | jhutchins: ok, I will read the whole thing. |
| 20:21.02 | StephenS | but only like 3 seconds and then nothing |
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| 20:21.07 | StephenS | and then after 1 min the same |
| 20:21.10 | StephenS | what it could be? |
| 20:21.11 | jhutchins | StephenS: pulseaudio is probably the problem. |
| 20:21.20 | jfb86 | i agree |
| 20:21.24 | StephenS | ok so what to do? |
| 20:21.33 | jfb86 | uninstall pulseaudio |
| 20:21.59 | StephenS | done. |
| 20:22.05 | StephenS | now should I install it again or not? |
| 20:22.22 | jfb86 | no, purge and reboot |
| 20:22.25 | StephenS | purge ? |
| 20:22.29 | StephenS | whats purge ? |
| 20:22.42 | jfb86 | purge all config |
| 20:22.59 | StephenS | how ? |
| 20:22.59 | jhutchins | How about we try disabling pulseaudio to see if that's the problem before we remove it? |
| 20:23.07 | StephenS | I already removed it |
| 20:23.12 | StephenS | now how to purge confid ? |
| 20:23.13 | StephenS | config |
| 20:23.15 | jhutchins | Ah, too late. |
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| 20:23.51 | StephenS | jfb86 how to purge config ? |
| 20:24.14 | jfb86 | dpkg -P name_packet |
| 20:24.14 | dpkg | jfb86: no idea |
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| 20:25.09 | jfb86 | dpkg --force-all --purge name_packet |
| 20:25.09 | dpkg | jfb86: are you using Windows? |
| 20:25.26 | StephenS | whats the name packet ? |
| 20:25.37 | StephenS | of yamaha ? |
| 20:25.46 | StephenS | is it necessery to purge it ? |
| 20:25.49 | jfb86 | at this time yes, but i'm using BT, UBUN and DEB.. whatfor? |
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| 20:26.03 | jfb86 | multi boot |
| 20:26.06 | jhutchins | fasta: The things that have changed regarding the DNS documentation are mostly that you don't need to compile your own packages or patch and compile the kernel, just install and configure. |
| 20:26.45 | jhutchins | jfb86: A packet is a unit of network transmission, debian software comes in packages. |
| 20:26.51 | syslq | Wifi doesnt work on debian, in network manager wifi option is grayed out, it worked ok yesterday, must of disaled it in sw beyond net-manager reach, which util am I looking for? |
| 20:27.16 | ompaul | syslq: what are you running testing or something else? |
| 20:27.17 | StephenS | ??? |
| 20:27.20 | ompaul | kde gnome |
| 20:27.24 | jfb86 | my servers are running DEBIAN, my laptop has 3 OS, and my other PC's have 3 OS mini... are you confiant? ;) |
| 20:27.27 | jhutchins | syslq: What did you change? |
| 20:27.35 | Bushmills | syslq: what were you running yesterday, when it "worked"? |
| 20:27.35 | StephenS | is it nurge to purge config ? |
| 20:27.47 | syslq | ompaul: stable |
| 20:28.25 | syslq | I havent changed anything actually, I did not even update, device is seen ifconfig -a, it just seems sw disabled |
| 20:28.27 | ompaul | syslq: as Bushmills and jhutchins said ... what happened this kind of thing just doesn't happen |
| 20:28.51 | syslq | ompaul: apparently it does :), but then again maybe somebody else played with it |
| 20:28.51 | ompaul | syslq: which wm? |
| 20:28.53 | StephenS | jfb86 ? |
| 20:29.01 | Bushmills | syslq: must have been something else than debian, because you assert that wlan doesn't work in debian |
| 20:29.23 | syslq | Bushmills: worked / works, it's just setting I guess |
| 20:29.29 | syslq | ompaul: b43 fw |
| 20:29.29 | StephenS | hey |
| 20:29.47 | syslq | Nevermind, I'll fix it tomorrw |
| 20:29.54 | ompaul | syslq: what I asked was what window manager |
| 20:30.00 | syslq | ompaul: ah, gnome |
| 20:30.02 | ompaul | but if you're leaving it so be it |
| 20:30.06 | jhutchins | jfb86: Your remark does seem out of context, and "confiant" is not an English word. |
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| 20:30.36 | jfb86 | jhutchins: thanks for lessons, i'm working on debian since 1998, but it's always interesting to have more professionnals. my opinion is that i don't know everything, and i'm proud to have someone who's able to help me to progress. thank you very much |
| 20:30.44 | syslq | ompaul: mah, I dislike network manager anyway, I wont hurt me to check how wifi is handled from console mode |
| 20:31.00 | ompaul | syslq: that's just crazy talk but have fun |
| 20:31.03 | StephenS | to restart ? |
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| 20:31.06 | StephenS | would you answer me |
| 20:31.13 | ompaul | !tell syslq about wireless |
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| 20:31.26 | ompaul | syslq: keep that reference for tomorrow :) |
| 20:31.57 | syslq | ompaul: what would I do with that? My card is seen by os, fw is installed , driver is installed and it worked properly and I know what card I have |
| 20:32.02 | syslq | ompaul: but thanks |
| 20:32.35 | jfb86 | syslq: install wicd |
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| 20:33.32 | StephenS | when i go on exit i get this |
| 20:33.35 | jhutchins | syslq: There is a command-line applet for network-manager, or you can set your card up through the interfaces file, see ompaul |
| 20:33.37 | StephenS | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.39 | StephenS | E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="0" name="pci-0000_01_06.0" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_01_06.0" tsched=yes ignore_dB=no card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1""): initialization failed. |
| 20:33.43 | jhutchins | 's link for details. |
| 20:33.51 | jhutchins | Man, I hate switching keyboards. |
| 20:33.55 | StephenS | does it have something to do with removing pulseaudio ? |
| 20:34.04 | syslq | jhutchins: thanks |
| 20:34.31 | StephenS | cmon guys you told me to remove pulseaudio and now no one is responding ? |
| 20:34.39 | jhutchins | StephenS: Could you do lspci -nn as root and paste the line for your sound card? |
| 20:34.57 | syslq | OK WTF |
| 20:35.00 | StephenS | should i first restart as somnoene told me to ? |
| 20:35.04 | syslq | I rebooted and now it works |
| 20:35.12 | syslq | Come on guys, this is like windows 95 :) |
| 20:35.18 | syslq | Didnt change anything heh |
| 20:35.18 | StephenS | lemme reboot brb |
| 20:35.31 | jhutchins | syslq: You can use iwconfig and iwlist to control the card, iwlist wlan0 scanning should show local AP's (assuming the wireless device is wlan0) |
| 20:35.39 | jfb86 | syslq: and then restrat. after that, configure your wireless with the appropriate passphrase/presharedkey of your box. i have many problems with that and i know the procedure. the proof? i shut my windows and i come back on UBUNTU or BT5 now, with wireless... are you ready? |
| 20:35.51 | jhutchins | syslq: Something just didn't initialize properly. |
| 20:36.09 | jfb86 | StephenS: wait a few minutes please |
| 20:36.13 | syslq | jhutchins: yuh, had txpower disabled, and I did iwconfig wlan0 txpower auto and rebooted |
| 20:36.24 | jhutchins | jfb86: Just curious, what is your primary/native language? |
| 20:36.25 | syslq | jhutchins: did not work before rebooting... |
| 20:36.30 | syslq | jhutchins: thanks for help |
| 20:36.55 | StephenS | done restarted |
| 20:36.56 | StephenS | still no sound |
| 20:36.57 | Bushmills | syslq: no, different. in windows you can't contribute to fixing things. in linux you can. |
| 20:36.58 | jfb86 | jhutchins: french... sorry ....:-D |
| 20:37.18 | jfb86 | i try to speak english as well as possible men... |
| 20:37.21 | jfb86 | :) |
| 20:37.34 | StephenS | here is: 01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller] [1073:000d] (rev 03) |
| 20:37.41 | StephenS | jhutchins that line |
| 20:37.45 | jhutchins | jfb86: Your English is better than my French, no need to apologize. I just enjoy trying to figure out the language from the unusual patterns of English. |
| 20:38.05 | StephenS | but have on mind that I dont have pulseaudio anymore |
| 20:38.06 | syslq | Bushmills: I like debian, dont worry :), only distro I kind of dislike is ubuntu and I hate how everybody say it's debian |
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| 20:38.20 | jfb86 | i reboot on UB |
| 20:38.21 | syslq | Bushmills: in debian you can usually fix shit in some sane way at least... |
| 20:38.26 | jfb86 | brb |
| 20:38.34 | syslq | Bushmills: or reboot :) |
| 20:38.40 | jhutchins | StephenS: What were the results when you did the Alsa Checklist? |
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| 20:39.04 | StephenS | I didnt do that |
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| 20:39.05 | StephenS | how to do it ? |
| 20:39.13 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 20:39.14 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 20:39.37 | StephenS | wait omg |
| 20:39.41 | StephenS | something catchy is going on |
| 20:39.46 | StephenS | now I dont have yamaha driver in my list |
| 20:39.54 | StephenS | when i boot first time I had it |
| 20:40.00 | StephenS | now I dont, its giving me a headache |
| 20:40.39 | jhutchins | StephenS: What about the pciid of the card from lspci -nn that I asked you for? |
| 20:40.50 | StephenS | and i answered ? |
| 20:40.55 | StephenS | here is: 01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller] [1073:000d] (rev 03) |
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| 20:41.23 | syslq | Any of you guys debian developerS? |
| 20:42.15 | StephenS | 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia |
| 20:42.15 | StephenS | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.15 | StephenS | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.15 | StephenS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.27 | StephenS | you see there is no yamaha sound card and dont know why |
| 20:42.30 | StephenS | any answer/solution ? :D |
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| 20:43.59 | jfb86 | back |
| 20:44.59 | StephenS | no one knows the answer? |
| 20:45.16 | jhutchins | ,pciid 1073:000d |
| 20:45.17 | judd | [1073:000d] is 'YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller]' from 'Yamaha Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-ymfpci' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1073:000d http://wiki.debian.org/snd-ymfpci |
| 20:45.45 | jhutchins | StephenS: Check for blacklisting. |
| 20:45.51 | jhutchins | sorry, I've gotta leave |
| 20:45.54 | StephenS | how ? |
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| 20:51.05 | AR-Brad | Even with wireless tools and my Wi-Fi card's firmware, I cannot connect to Wi-Fi. Can I get some help? |
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| 20:52.56 | AR-Brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.59 | jfb86 | AR-Brad: it depends.. sorry for that answer but try first to install wicd |
| 20:53.09 | AR-Brad | wicd? |
| 20:53.15 | AR-Brad | Alright. |
| 20:53.31 | AR-Brad | apt-get install wicd, I'm assuming, jfb86? |
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| 20:54.29 | jfb86 | AR-Brad: use synaptic under gnome, much easier |
| 20:54.52 | AR-Brad | jfb86: synaptic? |
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| 20:56.25 | lgp171188 | Hi, I have an instance of apt-cacher-ng setup and running fine. I wanted to add an alias for debian backports repository. Hence added the line "Remap-debbp: file:deb_bp_mirrors /debian-backports; file:backends_debian_bp" to the configuration where both the files specified have http://backports.debian.org. But still I get a 403 forbidden. What could I be doing wrong here? |
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| 20:56.43 | jfb86 | synaptic is a gui for apt very useful |
| 20:57.26 | AR-Brad | looks up how to get to synaptic |
| 20:58.15 | AR-Brad | Oh, my laptop is online via ethernet.. |
| 20:58.24 | AR-Brad | I dunno if that helps anything |
| 20:58.34 | nullie | aptitude gives me very strange solutions when I delete some packages. Is it common? |
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| 21:00.28 | thewanderer1 | nullie, it's always been weird for me, but I'm just used to apt-get |
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| 21:02.28 | AR-Brad | jfb86: synaptic has alot of cool stuff o.o |
| 21:02.46 | jfb86 | AR-Brad: :) |
| 21:03.46 | AR-Brad | jfb86: Where would wicd be? |
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| 21:05.03 | ArthurD | Hi |
| 21:05.10 | AR-Brad | jfb86: never mind, I found it |
| 21:05.24 | AR-Brad | jfb86: Now how do I install everything? |
| 21:05.30 | ArthurD | I'm having trouble applying an iptables rules : `iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j CONNMARK --set-mark 42` return a "target not found" |
| 21:05.48 | ArthurD | But I have a /proc/net/ip_conntrack file so I guess this mean the right module is loaded |
| 21:05.58 | thewanderer1 | ArthurD, it means that CONNMARK is not available |
| 21:06.16 | ArthurD | thewanderer1 : what should be loaded to make it available ? |
| 21:06.30 | jfb86 | AR: search wicd |
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| 21:07.06 | thewanderer1 | ArthurD, no idea actually, try searching /lib/modules for something that sounds like connmark |
| 21:07.12 | AR-Brad | jfb86: Got it. It's installing now |
| 21:07.14 | Jayro | hello, is there any specific place applications would store their icons? |
| 21:07.38 | ArthurD | I'm on a VPS, I don't have access to a lsmod or modprobe... I'm trying to choose the right one to ask my admin to load it... |
| 21:07.44 | thewanderer1 | Jayro, .desktop files usually refer to icons placed in well-known directories, like /usr/share/icons |
| 21:07.48 | AR-Brad | jfb96: I chose a few extras as well |
| 21:08.08 | Jayro | thewanderer1, when you .desktop files, where are they? |
| 21:08.10 | thewanderer1 | ArthurD, then surely you can ask him which one you need for CONNMARK too |
| 21:08.12 | ArthurD | But I tought the fact that /proc/net/ip_conntrack exist meant that the right module was already loaded |
| 21:08.17 | jfb86 | Ar: ok |
| 21:08.26 | thewanderer1 | ArthurD, there's a difference between CONNMARK and conntrack |
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| 21:08.49 | ArthurD | thewanderer1 : Tried already, he couldn't find it and he think everything is already in place (He is using the CONNMARK on the host machine) |
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| 21:09.17 | ArthurD | thewanderer1 : yes, but I can't find a ip_connmark module, so the closer I found was ip_conntrack |
| 21:09.21 | AR-Brad | jfb86: Installing is taking forever T.T |
| 21:09.41 | Dulak | ArthurD: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNMARK.html |
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| 21:10.47 | ArthurD | Dulak : what is that ? (sry ^^) |
| 21:11.21 | jfb86 | AR: ??T.T?? what's that |
| 21:11.34 | AR-Brad | jfb86: Crying emoticon. |
| 21:11.36 | AR-Brad | lol |
| 21:12.01 | AR-Brad | Derp. |
| 21:12.07 | AR-Brad | He left. |
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| 21:12.41 | AR-Brad | Wrong button, jfb86? |
| 21:12.52 | jfb86 | yep :) |
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| 21:12.59 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 21:13.04 | AR-Brad | Happens to everyone |
| 21:13.44 | kristian-aalborg | sorry, my brain is not working... I have a hdd which I want to be 10% free (at the start) and 90% ext3... how do I do this with fdisk? |
| 21:14.23 | jfb86 | kristian : use cfdisk instead of fdisk, much simple ;) |
| 21:14.50 | Dulak | ArthurD: wrong link, the name of the kernel module is xt_connmark |
| 21:16.01 | AR-Brad | brb |
| 21:17.58 | ArthurD | Dulak : thanks ! |
| 21:17.58 | AR-Brad | Back.. |
| 21:18.13 | AR-Brad | Is there NOTHING that searches for a network? |
| 21:18.30 | AR-Brad | I don't want to manually config everytime I go somewhere |
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| 21:19.18 | kristian-aalborg | jfb86, this is Tiny Core Linux, no cfdisk |
| 21:19.19 | jfb86 | AR: with wicd you'll find all wireless networks |
| 21:19.27 | kristian-aalborg | I think I might have the hang of it now |
| 21:20.01 | AR-Brad | jfb86: it won't work. It says I need to be singed in as root, but I don't know how to do that. |
| 21:20.26 | AR-Brad | sighs |
| 21:20.29 | jfb86 | kristian: so fdisk -l to list and after fdisk -e /dev/... |
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| 21:21.29 | jfb86 | AR: don't worry, normal just check ok to the dialog box, and the let the daemon looking for network |
| 21:22.11 | jfb86 | AR: excuse me, i spoke to another problem |
| 21:22.22 | jfb86 | sorry please :) |
| 21:22.27 | AR-Brad | jfb86: I google how to sign in a root. |
| 21:22.31 | AR-Brad | googled* |
| 21:22.36 | AR-Brad | And it's fine |
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| 21:23.29 | AR-Brad | Google is the magical resource.. |
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| 21:24.05 | jfb86 | AR: su cfdisk? or su fdisk -l |
| 21:24.18 | AR-Brad | ??? |
| 21:24.46 | AR-Brad | Eh, I'll just keep signed in as root. |
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| 21:25.39 | jfb86 | ok ok excuse me... i have many dicussions... for you this is wicd? right? |
| 21:25.51 | AR-Brad | jfb86: Yes |
| 21:25.55 | AR-Brad | lol |
| 21:26.05 | jfb86 | lol |
| 21:26.40 | jfb86 | so i come in pv, more simple ok? |
| 21:26.52 | AR-Brad | pv? |
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| 21:27.27 | jfb86 | yes... i click on your pseudo and we come in pv |
| 21:27.40 | AR-Brad | I have not clue what that means.. |
| 21:27.49 | AR-Brad | Private Chat? |
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| 21:34.07 | en1gma | what is the command to list the different "modes" a wifi card can be in such as station/master/adhoc |
| 21:34.10 | Jaghnat | Where can I find the windowpaces settings in Debian6.0.3? |
| 21:34.24 | en1gma | i thought it was 'sudo iw list wlan0' but its not listing my modes |
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| 21:37.09 | en1gma | i think i found it |
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| 21:38.57 | brutal_chaos | hey, how does the guided disk setup of the debian installer choose the swap partition size? |
| 21:39.06 | Bushmills | en1gma: what made you change from ubuntu from debian, i'm genuinely surprised |
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| 21:39.29 | en1gma | the /debian/build-scripts |
| 21:39.29 | valdyn | brutal_chaos: try and see |
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| 21:39.33 | en1gma | ubuntu`s was broken |
| 21:40.00 | en1gma | and everything is based off debian so why not |
| 21:40.01 | brutal_chaos | valdyn: I have, just curious what math is behind it |
| 21:40.34 | en1gma | the real Q is why did i leave slackware after 5 years |
| 21:40.47 | brutal_chaos | en1gma: because gentoo. :) |
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| 21:40.52 | en1gma | O_o |
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| 21:41.09 | en1gma | *dependencies* |
| 21:41.25 | Bushmills | package manager |
| 21:41.25 | Jaghnat | en1gma: I use Debian for my games, since some believe that all linuxes use .deb for applixations. |
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| 21:41.30 | en1gma | slapt-get was just coming out and i was tired of manually getting every dep |
| 21:41.43 | Jaghnat | en1gma: sbopkg and .sqf files |
| 21:41.57 | en1gma | :) |
| 21:42.07 | brutal_chaos | en1gma: USE flags, with proper use, *dependencies* aren't an issue. Happily running gentoo for a couple years know. STEAP learning curve though. |
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| 21:42.54 | en1gma | i read good info about gentoo...i even tried it long time ago. might give it another go the next time my OS breaks and i have to re-install |
| 21:43.41 | en1gma | debian`s package manager has pretty much spoiled me :) |
| 21:43.55 | en1gma | even on other distros its still apt-get :) |
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| 21:44.10 | brutal_chaos | oh yes, it takes a lot of effort to break from something like apt. A LOT. :P |
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| 21:44.20 | en1gma | hahaha |
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| 21:47.00 | brutal_chaos | lol I just realized when I first start using ubuntu, they released warty warthog (4.10). Stopped using it roughly around Breezy. Time flies! |
| 21:47.32 | en1gma | i used kanotix before ubuntu...i really thought that distro was gonna take off |
| 21:47.51 | en1gma | kano is pretty smart and helpfull |
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| 21:48.46 | brutal_chaos | Red Hat 9!, Ubuntu, Fedora, Windows, Ubuntu (i guess i did try somthing after breezy, can't remember which though), Gentoo, Fedora, Gentoo. Somewhere in there I played with Debian as well. |
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| 21:50.05 | en1gma | alot of ppl in #aircrack-ng use gentoo |
| 21:50.23 | brutal_chaos | :| |
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| 21:50.49 | SomeoneWeirdTAFE | all i need for a http proxy is export http_proxy=http://url:port/ right? |
| 21:50.50 | en1gma | to get my stuff working correctly i might switch over to it |
| 21:51.01 | brutal_chaos | So how does the Debian installer choose a swap space size when in guided mode? |
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| 21:51.26 | en1gma | i wonder if its just a ratio of the total size |
| 21:51.32 | en1gma | not sure |
| 21:52.25 | brutal_chaos | aw, can't join #debian-devel |
| 21:52.27 | brutal_chaos | :( |
| 21:52.31 | en1gma | im trying to bridge my wlan0 (AP mode after hostapd is ran) with my eth0....i cant run the bridge command to add it because the if has to be in master first |
| 21:53.41 | en1gma | iw list says my if can do AP or AP/VLAN but when i tell it 'iwconfig wlan0 mode master' or 'iwconfig wlan0 mode AP' it says it dont know what im talking about |
| 21:54.03 | brutal_chaos | do devs ever hang around these parts? |
| 21:54.31 | en1gma | this is teir 1 baby |
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| 21:54.44 | en1gma | once in a while big dogs drop in that know their stuff |
| 21:54.53 | en1gma | #debian-next is invite only |
| 21:55.04 | brutal_chaos | so is #debian-devel |
| 21:55.23 | en1gma | stuck in here with all the noobs and i been doing linux long time |
| 21:56.06 | en1gma | i hear archlinux is good btw |
| 21:56.27 | valdyn | brutal_chaos: get the source and read the recipes: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/partman-auto |
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| 21:56.46 | brutal_chaos | valdyn: thanks. |
| 21:56.47 | en1gma | valdyn is pretty good and so is themill |
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| 21:58.35 | brutal_chaos | valdyn: what are the numbers: 96 512 200% for? |
| 21:58.49 | brutal_chaos | portman-auto/recipes/atomic:35 |
| 21:58.55 | brutal_chaos | portman-auto/recipes/atomic:25 * |
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| 22:01.16 | valdyn | brutal_chaos: i dont know, try http://edwardpku.com/cun/2008/05/05/partman-auto-recipe-files/ |
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| 22:02.39 | brutal_chaos | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 22:03.56 | AR-Brad | My wicd won't find a wireless signal, even when it is right next to a source. |
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| 22:04.45 | valdyn | the "official" #debian-devel and #debian-next would be on oftc and are not invite-only |
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| 22:07.39 | AR-Brad | wicd won't find anything. Can I get some help? |
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| 22:09.06 | brutal_chaos | http://edwardpku.com/cun/2008/05/05/partman-auto-recipe-files/ #5 describes how the space is calculated. |
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| 22:11.46 | somiaj | AR-Brad: what does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' give you (replace wlan0 with your actual wifi device) |
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| 22:12.27 | AR-Brad | somiaj: No access point. |
| 22:12.48 | somiaj | AR-Brad: That is all it says? Doesn't give you any other error? |
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| 22:12.56 | AR-Brad | smoiaj: Yes. |
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| 22:13.28 | AR-Brad | somiaj: This access point is usuable by three other computers, Wii and Nintendo DS |
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| 22:13.44 | somiaj | AR-Brad: well there is your problem. check dmesg, make sure you have the firmware for your card, make sure you don't have a hardware wifi kill switch |
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| 22:14.15 | somiaj | AR-Brad: I don't know the solution but your computer is not seeing/scanning correctly. It could be the driver or the card. You'll have to debug it |
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| 22:14.34 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Thank you. I will do that. |
| 22:14.46 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Wait, how do I check dmesg? |
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| 22:14.56 | somiaj | AR-Brad: type 'dmesg' |
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| 22:15.17 | AR-Brad | somiaj: kk |
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| 22:15.59 | AR-Brad | somiaj: It says that my USB Wi-Fi card failed to request firmware |
| 22:16.17 | somiaj | AR-Brad: well make sure you have the firmware installed then. |
| 22:16.31 | somiaj | AR-Brad: they are usually part of the non-free sources |
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| 22:16.53 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Yes, mine is a non-free Ralink firmware. I thought I installed it, but I guess it didn't work |
| 22:17.20 | valdyn | AR-Brad: use the debian package |
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| 22:19.28 | AR-Brad | somiaj: valdyn: Where would I find the proper firmware? Is there a debian wiki page for it? |
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| 22:20.39 | AR-Brad | Is it possible to use Synaptec? |
| 22:20.43 | somiaj | AR-Brad: apt-cache search firmware. Make sure you have the non-free sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:21.05 | somiaj | AR-Brad: synaptec? Are you using ubuntu? (yes its in debian but I don't know many debian users who use that over aptitidue) |
| 22:21.32 | guardian | these days, should i go mbox or maildir? |
| 22:22.11 | somiaj | guardian: I still think its personal preference. |
| 22:22.36 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Debian, but I use synaptec because it is a bit simpler then typing code and such. |
| 22:24.13 | somiaj | AR-Brad: well use it to search for ralink or firmware packages. |
| 22:24.40 | somiaj | AR-Brad: apt-cache search ralink found me the package really quickly |
| 22:25.12 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Ok |
| 22:25.55 | somiaj | sure synaptic has some search function, but I don't know it. |
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| 22:27.24 | Biganon | Hello ! I'm trying to run an X server on my Server Debian and I get a (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 22:27.28 | AR-Brad | somiaj: I'll just use apt-cache search ralink (After I finish downloading my new game) |
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| 22:27.42 | Biganon | error message, so I tried doix Xorg -configure but I have a module error then |
| 22:28.00 | Biganon | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 22:28.12 | somiaj | Biganon: what videocard/drivers are you using for it? |
| 22:28.28 | somiaj | Biganon: also what kernel is that, that kernel doesn't seem like a standard debian kernel at all |
| 22:28.40 | Biganon | somiaj: I'm trying to use vesa but I don't know how to specify that |
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| 22:29.08 | guardian | somiaj: ok |
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| 22:29.33 | Biganon | somiaj: I don't really know what this kernel is, it's a server I rent |
| 22:29.34 | somiaj | Biganon: it should auto detect things and fall back to vesa, check the xorg log to see what driver it tries to load. |
| 22:29.38 | guardian | somiaj: thought one would be generally preferred over the other |
| 22:30.01 | somiaj | guardian: maybe by others. But as far as I have seen its a personal experence on how you like to orginaize the mail |
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| 22:31.18 | allisterb | hello it seems that something is changing my cpufreq MAX_SPEED and MIN_SPEED speed without my knowledge - I have the performance governor and max and min speed set in /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils but something keeps changing those limits to 800MHZ - 800MHZ...any ideas? |
| 22:31.37 | allisterb | could it be the gnome cpu monitor applet? |
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| 22:32.59 | Biganon | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/yzETBFHq here's what I get |
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| 22:34.40 | somiaj | Biganon: looks like it s loading the vesa drivers just fine...what isn't working about it? Is this a remote server? |
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| 22:35.04 | Biganon | I'm directly on it via ssh |
| 22:35.16 | dino- | Ok, so I have a system installing right now. Chose guided LVM with encr. And it's in the middle of very very long "Erasing data" phase, I presume this is filling drive with random data.. |
| 22:35.31 | dino- | I was never able to see, before it got to this part, what the partition layout will be. |
| 22:35.32 | Biganon | when I sudo startx I get this /dev/fb0 error |
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| 22:35.45 | Biganon | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
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| 22:35.48 | dino- | Does anybody know before I wait another 2+ hours for this to complete? |
| 22:35.53 | somiaj | dino-: by default an encyprted parttion is securally erased and this could take hours and hours. YOu need to use the epxert mode if you want to skip this step. |
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| 22:36.25 | somiaj | Biganon: why do you expect 'startx' to work from an ssh terminal. It doesn't work that way. |
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| 22:36.30 | dino- | When I do this myself by hand (with Arch, say) I set up with unencrypted /boot and then lvm containing both swap and /, so you can do one passphrase at boot time. Is it doing this? |
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| 22:37.06 | dino- | somiaj: mm, I wish I had read more about this. We kind of did dd ... | openssl ... by hand prior to starting Debian installer. bleh |
| 22:37.08 | somiaj | dino-: correct, its just securly erasing the partition before it puts the encrpyted parttion on it. This is just the default behavior |
| 22:37.21 | dino- | So have already waited 2.5 hours to clear off this 320G drive today. :) |
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| 22:37.48 | dino- | From being an Arch user, I'm used to doing for oneself. |
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| 22:38.13 | rneese | hey all who maintains the libpri and libpri-dev pkgs |
| 22:38.19 | somiaj | dino-: use the expert install, it gives far more options, defaults are just trying to guess what most people would want. |
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| 22:38.32 | rneese | when need updating to 1.4.12 |
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| 22:38.43 | dino- | So anyway, "Guided LVM with encr" Is that /boot and the LVM with swap and / under one passphrase? |
| 22:39.05 | dino- | somiaj: ya, maybe I should stop it now and do manual. |
| 22:39.19 | dino- | Set mount points, etc. |
| 22:39.30 | somiaj | dino-: read the install manual, it says |
| 22:39.43 | somiaj | rneese: you can file a wishlist bug for a new upstream version |
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| 22:45.59 | kristian-aalborg | hmm... why does popcon install, then purge itself - would it not be more straightforward if it simply was not installed (unless you want it installed)? |
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| 22:49.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | does it purge itself? |
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| 22:50.48 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
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| 22:51.05 | dino- | somiaj: Thanks. Not really finding in manual data like http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ But will just ditch Guided anyway. |
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| 22:55.43 | somiaj | dino-: someone found a statement in there that says excataly what happens in that case (only reason I know) but yes expert mode gives you more options |
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| 23:00.04 | fanta01 | when installing the proprietary Catalyst driver on Debian/Squeeze |
| 23:00.04 | fanta01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.34 | jfb86 | fanta? |
| 23:01.34 | fanta01 | I tried both ways, and the debian packages does not seem to work correctly while the Ati installer seems to support only Ubuntu but not plain debian |
| 23:02.14 | jfb86 | fanta: are you talking about CISCO catalyst? |
| 23:02.36 | fanta01 | jfb86: no the ATI driver |
| 23:02.51 | jfb86 | ok.. sorry... |
| 23:03.21 | jfb86 | can't help about that |
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| 23:05.53 | jfb86 | my time: need help about clustering and load balacing. anyone? |
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| 23:11.06 | aristarchus | is alsaconf no longer packaged with alsa-util? |
| 23:11.45 | jfb86 | my question: what is (as your mind) the best architecture to provide 365/24/7 access to WEB/FTP/MySQl/PHP services? |
| 23:12.12 | babilen | !tell fanta01 -about fglrx dkms |
| 23:12.14 | jfb86 | under DEB of course |
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| 23:14.13 | aristarchus | i am missing some devices such as /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer |
| 23:15.23 | babilen | !alsaconf |
| 23:15.24 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 23:17.58 | aristarchus | !alsa checklist |
| 23:17.58 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 23:19.16 | aristarchus | when i use alsamixer, i get "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument" |
| 23:20.00 | fanta01 | babilen: thanks, but I went through those steps earlier, I can start xorg but fglrxinfo does not work + there are other errros, I read somewhere that Squeeze ports for ATI Catalyst are broken |
| 23:20.52 | jfb86 | fanta: try to update your driver? |
| 23:21.27 | fanta01 | jfb86: I just installed the what was in Squeeze repos |
| 23:21.36 | fanta01 | there is no more up to date version |
| 23:21.45 | jfb86 | fanta: try backports? |
| 23:22.24 | fanta01 | jfb86: I have backports on, nothing more up to date there it seems |
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| 23:23.20 | jfb86 | fanta: and the targz? did you try? |
| 23:24.04 | kristian-aalborg | Kamping_Kaiser, yes |
| 23:24.29 | fanta01 | jfb86: ATI does not offer a tgz AFAIK, the have '.run' blob, which creates packages for fedora and ubuntu but not debian |
| 23:24.41 | kristian-aalborg | you're asked if you want to install it... if you say "no", it installs, then purges itself |
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| 23:25.44 | jfb86 | fanta: give the whole details of your card please |
| 23:26.24 | jfb86 | dmesg | more |
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| 23:26.35 | fanta01 | jfb86: ATI Technologies Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series] |
| 23:27.17 | jfb86 | please give more, like lspci, etc. |
| 23:27.37 | fanta01 | that was the line from lspci :) |
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| 23:28.29 | fanta01 | I also know that the latest driver works under Ubuntu |
| 23:28.57 | fanta01 | so should work on Squeeze as well, I just dont know how to get it |
| 23:30.15 | somiaj | fanta01: you most likely need to backport the drivers. there is a backport of fglrx-modules-dkms for amd64 and version 11-4-2. If that isn't new enough you may want to backport the drivers from sid. |
| 23:30.21 | jfb86 | http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx |
| 23:31.07 | fanta01 | somiaj: I am relatively new to debian, so that would a bit over my head right now |
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| 23:31.41 | somiaj | fanta01: I would check the kernel/dkms and xorg from backports.debian.org |
| 23:31.57 | fanta01 | somiaj: ok I will look thanks |
| 23:32.19 | jfb86 | fanta: are you working on testing or squeeze? |
| 23:32.22 | fanta01 | jfb86: yes, I have the latest installer from that URL |
| 23:32.39 | fanta01 | jfb86: a fresh Squeeze install |
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| 23:33.37 | jfb86 | fanta: so if you are able to try, don't be afraid and go until the end? download the targz, compile it and you'll see ;) |
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| 23:34.29 | fanta01 | going to try :) |
| 23:35.00 | fanta01 | I just hoped there is an easier way that works :) |
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| 23:35.20 | jfb86 | and after, give us your results, allthe community will be happy to know what problems we'll have to be faced on? thx for your help |
| 23:35.42 | fanta01 | alright |
| 23:35.50 | jfb86 | good luck |
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| 23:42.30 | MakemeCum | hi |
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| 23:42.52 | jfb86 | hi |
| 23:43.00 | MakemeCum | asl plz |
| 23:43.18 | themill | MakemeCum: wrong channel. Try #defocus. |
| 23:43.24 | jfb86 | ???? |
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| 23:44.22 | jfb86 | will listenig music until fanta be back |
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| 23:49.05 | jfb86 | did you find the solution?* |
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| 23:50.45 | jfb86 | need to leave in 10 mins. i hope i've helped |
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