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| 00:04.24 | koshie_ | Hi |
| 00:04.31 | koshie_ | Debian SID is like a rolling release right ? |
| 00:04.46 | dvs | kinda |
| 00:04.59 | koshie_ | What's the difference ? Some people says it's like but not a RR. |
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| 00:05.44 | jelly-home | !tell koshie_ about sid faq |
| 00:05.48 | dvs | koshie_: The packages may not work together or not at all. |
| 00:05.58 | themill | koshie_: there are sufficiently many definitions of "rolling release" that you can call whatever you want a rolling release. |
| 00:06.11 | koshie_ | themill, I see |
| 00:06.13 | somiaj | koshie_: its not a release. Its a moving target, but no effort is gone into ensuring upgrades, new packages don't totally fuck things up |
| 00:06.14 | jelly-home | rolls themill a "release" |
| 00:06.31 | koshie_ | If I want a very updated system, SID's not a good idea ? |
| 00:06.44 | dvs | not really |
| 00:06.52 | somiaj | koshie_: debian cut is the new idea being thrown around, but I think its a few years out |
| 00:07.04 | somiaj | koshie_: depends, do you want to fix things between updates? |
| 00:07.26 | koshie_ | somiaj, if it's a little problem, yes. But not too big, I'm working on it :) |
| 00:07.26 | somiaj | koshie_: also why do you need a very updated system? Do you want to test/develope/debug the new stuff, or just think newer=better |
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| 00:07.28 | jelly-home | koshie_: sid is a good idea when your goal is to help testing and fixing latest uploads made by debian maintainers |
| 00:07.47 | koshie_ | somiaj, I don't think new it's better, but I don't like too old software . |
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| 00:07.50 | somiaj | koshie_: well sid took out the nvidia/fglxr drivers with an xorg update a bit ago, and there are other lits of things that are broken. |
| 00:08.03 | koshie_ | Okay okay, I understand. |
| 00:08.29 | koshie_ | Just, again, some peoples says «SID works very well for me.» and that's seems to be very updated (sorry for my english) |
| 00:08.31 | jelly-home | read the faq |
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| 00:09.03 | somiaj | koshie_: I run sid on my desktop (Which is currently not working) and laptop, but I do spend a lot of time fixing things where if I cared about being able to work could cause major issues. |
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| 00:09.32 | koshie_ | I see |
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| 00:11.00 | koshie_ | So testing is maybe a better idea |
| 00:11.27 | themill | or stable... |
| 00:11.31 | dvs | koshie_: better... but breaks can still occur |
| 00:11.46 | koshie_ | dvs, that's not a problem if sometime I've a little issue :) |
| 00:11.49 | somiaj | testing is in a similar boat...it has less grave bugs, but that doesn't mean things work. Stable is the best idea, and then backport the few pieces of software you really need the newer features. |
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| 00:12.11 | koshie_ | GNOME 3 works well on stable ? |
| 00:12.34 | dvs | koshie_: squeeze will never get gnome 3 |
| 00:12.42 | koshie_ | hmm, ok |
| 00:12.51 | koshie_ | And with a special repo ? |
| 00:13.01 | somiaj | koshie_: testing/unstable are not releases they work in some circumstances and not in others. A good knowledge of debian, the bts and how debian does things is helpful in order to keep your system updated and running. But this requires work and most people would be better servered with stable despite the (slightly older versions) |
| 00:15.32 | koshie_ | thansk, good night |
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| 00:23.57 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/504014/ ; what's going on here? |
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| 00:24.27 | buhman | dpkg puked? |
| 00:24.29 | dpkg | no idea, buhman |
| 00:25.10 | buhman | dpkg: I wasn't asking you |
| 00:25.10 | dpkg | buhman: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:25.21 | themill | buhman: do you have another dpkg/dpkg-reconfigure or similar running elsewhere? |
| 00:25.29 | buhman | themill: not that I'm aware of |
| 00:25.45 | buhman | nor that ps is aware of |
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| 00:30.20 | themill | buhman: what does "fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" say (as root). What debconf frontend do you run? |
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| 00:35.21 | buhman | themill: aptitude |
| 00:35.51 | themill | that would answer your question then... |
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| 00:37.09 | buhman | hrm; and later in the upgrade I get http://paste.pocoo.org/show/504016/ |
| 00:37.15 | buhman | should I be worried about grub? |
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| 00:37.45 | AR-Brad | 2 questions: 1) How do I uninstall software 2) My Wi-Fi won't find a source, even with network tools, wicd, wi-fi tools, and iwlist won't pick up my router (Yes, I installed the apropriate firmware) |
| 00:38.06 | buhman | Atlas: aptitude uninstall package-name |
| 00:38.22 | buhman | Atlas: what card do you have? |
| 00:38.36 | AR-Brad | Who, me? |
| 00:38.40 | buhman | AR-Brad: |
| 00:38.43 | AR-Brad | lol |
| 00:38.55 | AR-Brad | Ralink USB Wi-Fi card 52mbps |
| 00:39.01 | zykotick9 | buhman, i don't think "uninstall" is a valid command for aptitude. Do you mean remove/purge? |
| 00:39.15 | buhman | zykotick9: I must be insane |
| 00:39.31 | buhman | AR-Brad: what zykotick9 said |
| 00:39.42 | AR-Brad | bunham: ok |
| 00:39.45 | buhman | AR-Brad: and ralink, in my experience, is terrible to work with |
| 00:39.54 | AR-Brad | Oh boy, lucky me |
| 00:40.13 | AR-Brad | how do i install the drivers from the CD, buhnam? |
| 00:40.34 | buhman | AR-Brad: terrible hardware which only works on windows due to proprietary driver-hacks |
| 00:40.47 | buhman | AR-Brad: from the CD? did you just buy this? |
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| 00:41.29 | AR-Brad | buhman: Couple months ago |
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| 00:43.33 | AR-Brad | Buhman: The drivers are sitting on my desktop, useless |
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| 00:44.09 | buhman | AR-Brad: generally installing proprietary drivers from a vendor-provided cd are a terrible idea |
| 00:44.19 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i have some wierd problem here ... wicd doesnt seem to work well here ... i connect to some wireless network and it tell me that it is connected but i dont have any internet access ... any suggestions ? ( using STABLE ) |
| 00:44.28 | AR-Brad | buhman: What should I do, then? |
| 00:44.47 | buhman | AR-Brad: what you should do I don't know |
| 00:45.02 | AR-Brad | sighs |
| 00:45.07 | buhman | AR-Brad: what I would have done is returned the defective hardware immediately after discovering the ralink controller |
| 00:45.27 | AR-Brad | Uh, it's not defective. I use it on my PC just fine |
| 00:45.33 | buhman | AR-Brad: yes it is |
| 00:46.23 | AR-Brad | buhman:... oh. |
| 00:46.37 | AR-Brad | I ordered it from Amazon, and I'm not paying return shipping |
| 00:46.49 | gotz7 | hey all - can I interview anyone through DM for a non-debian related research project? 6 very short multiple choice questions. |
| 00:47.43 | thisthat | you are trying to do a non debian research project in #debian? |
| 00:48.31 | gotz7 | tryin to get a good cross section of people! |
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| 00:48.44 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, can you get the PCI ID of the device? "lspci -vnvn | grep Network" should probably work. the PCI ID looks like [168c:001c] |
| 00:48.54 | buhman | gotz7: just because I want to know how crazy the questions are and have nothing better to do, feel free to PM me or whatever |
| 00:51.19 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: it doesn't give me any info, just another prompt |
| 00:51.41 | SirYoshi | hi i wanna run joomla on my debian server, all i have so far is proftpd, i need phpmyadmin, or do you suggest something else? |
| 00:52.13 | SirYoshi | + a nice security guide for it ;) wanna keep things secure... like fail2ban, and not letting phpmyadmin run on root -.- or anything stupid |
| 00:52.51 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, i see - if you use "lspci | grep -i net" does it list you wireless? |
| 00:53.45 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: No, just the ethernet |
| 00:53.58 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, well, I'm no help then. Good luck. |
| 00:54.07 | themill | SirYoshi: you've already lost in the "keep things secure" stakes when you used the words "joomla", "proftpd" and "phpmyadmin". |
| 00:54.25 | AR-Brad | Thanks.. |
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| 00:56.22 | SirYoshi | :P lawl.. yea ok |
| 00:56.52 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, sorry. Is this a USB card (really anything other the pci)? |
| 00:56.52 | SirYoshi | well its not like im installing directadmin? |
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| 00:57.55 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: Yeah, it's USB. And it's not a problem.. I'll figure it out eventually |
| 00:58.58 | SirYoshi | themill :P :) whats the best thing i can do, to keep it most secure :P roflrofl |
| 00:59.12 | SirYoshi | hire a webhost? rofl |
| 00:59.18 | themill | remove joomla? |
| 00:59.48 | SirYoshi | whyyy i patch it :P |
| 00:59.55 | SirYoshi | + plugins |
| 01:00.02 | SirYoshi | lawl ik ik its still like... but |
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| 01:01.02 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: What do you think I should do? |
| 01:01.03 | SirYoshi | + ive fail2ban on the proftpd and stuff.. |
| 01:01.50 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, "And it's not a problem.. I'll figure it out eventually" i took as - i don't need/want your help. |
| 01:02.13 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: no, I meant that in reference to your apology. |
| 01:02.56 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, use "lsusb" to find the PCIID of the device then. |
| 01:03.32 | AR-Brad | 148f:2070 |
| 01:03.39 | zykotick9 | ,pciid 148f:2070 |
| 01:03.40 | judd | [148f:2070] is 'Unknown device' from 'Plant Equipment, Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=148f:2070 |
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| 01:04.26 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: That's a bad thing..? |
| 01:04.36 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, and you're sure that's from the wireless? Doesn't look good if it is, sorry I can't help. |
| 01:04.54 | AR-Brad | Second one is 1d5b:0001 |
| 01:05.03 | AR-Brad | 1d6b* |
| 01:05.40 | AR-Brad | ,pciid 1d6b:001 |
| 01:05.43 | AR-Brad | Oops |
| 01:05.56 | AR-Brad | ,pciid 1d6b:0001 |
| 01:05.58 | judd | [1d6b:0001] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1d6b:0001 |
| 01:06.16 | AR-Brad | frowns |
| 01:07.41 | themill | usb devices don't have PCI-Ids |
| 01:08.06 | AR-Brad | ,lsusbid 1d6b:0001 |
| 01:08.12 | AR-Brad | ... |
| 01:08.19 | AR-Brad | Derp |
| 01:08.30 | AR-Brad | themill: What is the proper command? |
| 01:08.32 | zykotick9 | themill, is there some other mechanism for checking hardware compatibility with USB devices? |
| 01:08.46 | zykotick9 | AR-Brad, sorry for leading you astray |
| 01:09.12 | AR-Brad | zykotick9: You didn't lead me astray! You tried to help; that's all I can ask for. |
| 01:09.23 | themill | We don't have any magic for usb devices, |
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| 01:10.08 | AR-Brad | Magic go bye bye? |
| 01:10.53 | aristarchus | anyone know why alsamixer says "cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument"? |
| 01:12.38 | AR-Brad | ,usbid 1d6b:0001 |
| 01:13.51 | AR-Brad | ,pciid 106b:0019 |
| 01:13.52 | judd | [106b:0019] is 'KeyLargo USB' from 'Apple Computer Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=106b:0019 |
| 01:14.00 | AR-Brad | DAHA |
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| 01:14.03 | AR-Brad | Wait, no |
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| 01:18.16 | somiaj | AR-Brad: what is your device? |
| 01:18.57 | somiaj | AR-Brad: ralink -- but what model/chipset? |
| 01:19.05 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Ralink Wireless USB adapter, 52mbps, |
| 01:19.07 | AR-Brad | Uh |
| 01:19.22 | AR-Brad | sominaj: The driver on Windows/Mac OS is 2070 |
| 01:19.28 | AR-Brad | Dunno if that helps.. |
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| 01:20.07 | dvs | AR-Brad: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 01:20.19 | somiaj | AR-Brad: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 01:20.19 | AR-Brad | Oooh... |
| 01:20.31 | AR-Brad | Which one!?!? |
| 01:20.46 | somiaj | on the 2.6.32 kernel from squeeze you'll want the staging driver. in 3.0 its no longer staging |
| 01:21.04 | AR-Brad | ..? |
| 01:22.01 | AR-Brad | I have the latest version of Debian, so I dunno what driver I have |
| 01:22.06 | dvs | AR-Brad: the second one |
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| 01:22.20 | AR-Brad | kernal* not driver, kernal |
| 01:22.23 | somiaj | AR-Brad: debian squeeze is the latest stable version, you'll want the staging devince in the 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 01:22.49 | somiaj | AR-Brad: if your using the backport 2.6.39 kernel you may be out of luck, seems the staging driver was removed from that. |
| 01:23.12 | AR-Brad | How do I tell what kernal I have!? |
| 01:23.28 | somiaj | AR-Brad: uname -a |
| 01:24.58 | AR-Brad | Linux BradsMac 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 mon Oct 3 04:26:33 UTB 2011 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 01:25.26 | ArthurD | Dulak : the xt_connmark module is loaded but it still doesn't work :c |
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| 01:26.02 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Linux BradsMac 2.6.32-5-powerpc #1 mon Oct 3 04:26:33 UTB 2011 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 01:26.09 | ArthurD | For others : I'm trying to make this simple command work `iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j CONNMARK --set-mark 42` work, i'm looking for the right module to load |
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| 01:26.42 | somiaj | AR-Brad: yes follow the staging driver link I sent you. |
| 01:27.05 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Am I using Squeeze, Lenny, or Wheezy? |
| 01:27.18 | AR-Brad | Wait, dur, squeeze |
| 01:27.25 | AR-Brad | nvm |
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| 01:29.06 | AR-Brad | somiaj: This is everything I have already done... |
| 01:30.49 | somiaj | AR-Brad: well what places have caused you errors |
| 01:31.09 | AR-Brad | somiaj: I am unsure. It just won't search for a signal |
| 01:31.52 | AR-Brad | somiaj: It installed firmware and such. |
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| 01:32.21 | somiaj | AR-Brad: well does ifconfig -a show a wlan0 device |
| 01:32.34 | somiaj | AR-Brad: if not, what errors do you get from dmesg when the module is loaded |
| 01:33.10 | AR-Brad | somiaj: yes, it says wlan0 and no errors but a lot of code.. |
| 01:33.33 | somiaj | AR-Brad: so you see a wlan0, alrighty. ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 01:33.39 | somiaj | AR-Brad: and then iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 01:34.05 | AR-Brad | No scan results |
| 01:34.19 | AR-Brad | wlan0 No scan results |
| 01:34.48 | AR-Brad | somiaj:^ |
| 01:35.04 | somiaj | so your issue is where I told you a few hours ago. Figure out why its not scanning. |
| 01:35.14 | somiaj | again dmesg usually contains useful info... |
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| 01:36.24 | AR-Brad | ADDRCONF( NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 01:37.03 | AR-Brad | Bunch of info on my USB device.. |
| 01:37.31 | somiaj | if you know your network, you can try to bring it up despite not being able to scan. It could be an issue wth scanning and not the actual card. |
| 01:38.07 | AR-Brad | somiaj: But I can't roam.. |
| 01:38.19 | AR-Brad | Unless I have a sperate Wi-Fi seeking device.. |
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| 01:41.15 | somiaj | AR-Brad: goto google, search around. Again I'm just saying try to figure out if its the driver or just the scanning. If the only issue is scanning, you have really figured a lot out |
| 01:41.38 | AR-Brad | somiaj: I have? Hmm... Well, I'll see what I can find. Thank you for all the help |
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| 01:47.20 | sylar | is threre some way to do a 'top' for cpu% of the tabs opened in epiphany? |
| 01:47.44 | cobra-the-joker | sylar , so you can see which tabs are using more ? |
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| 01:48.02 | sylar | cobra-the-joker: yes |
| 01:48.09 | cobra-the-joker | sylar: no you cant |
| 01:48.35 | sylar | cobra-the-joker: :( |
| 01:49.00 | LordTrev | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:49.01 | LordTrev | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.07 | LordTrev | I'm trying to install scrot |
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| 01:54.41 | somiaj | LordTrev: lets see your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net |
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| 01:55.01 | LordTrev | somiaj, just fixed it now, it was my sources |
| 01:55.14 | somiaj | LordTrev: were you mixing testing/stable like a fool? (: |
| 01:55.27 | LordTrev | I don't remember why I had those enabled .-. |
| 01:55.53 | somiaj | if you installed any testing/unstable package on stable you could have a broken system and you should try to fix it |
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| 01:57.14 | Dulak | I use some font packages from unstable, but I wouldn't run anything that made me update core packages |
| 01:57.44 | somiaj | Dulak: yes if you are very careful, but general rule is backport the package, don't just install it |
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| 01:58.18 | LordTrev | If I see any problems I'll work on it, otherwise I really don't care. |
| 01:59.03 | Dulak | somiaj: Oh I agree, but the font packages have no deps though so I don't even bother to backport. |
| 01:59.25 | somiaj | Dulak: yea if your careful (Which most who mix aren't). What matters is the deps are in squeeze. (: |
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| 02:00.17 | Dulak | somiaj: for example I backported uwsgi from unstable to stable, because it would have made me update the initscripts |
| 02:01.28 | somiaj | I am hoping debian cut releaves a lot of the mixing/running testing issues I see in here, but I doubt it will be released until after wheezy |
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| 02:34.37 | langkid1 | which one do I download for a VirtualBox on the torrent download page?(download debian) |
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| 02:35.34 | cicerone | just use the iso which is mentioned at debian.org |
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| 02:35.57 | qop | langkid1: you dont ned anything special for vmware unless it is an embedded |
| 02:36.08 | langkid1 | the one labeled 'amd64'? |
| 02:36.35 | qop | if it is a virtual machine I'd suggest using the 32 bits version instead |
| 02:36.39 | cicerone | langkid1, the iso at debian.org is multiarch... |
| 02:37.38 | qop | cicerone: stanndard is multilib? |
| 02:38.34 | langkid1 | what I'm looking at: http://i.imgur.com/L25x6.jpg |
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| 02:40.02 | langkid1 | found it in: 'Installation Guide for 32-bit PC (i386)' |
| 02:40.13 | langkid1 | I'll get that one then :) |
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| 02:40.36 | qop | langkid1: go for the i386 |
| 02:41.06 | langkid1 | why is there 8 different .torrents at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ ? |
| 02:41.12 | qop | its been so long since I ever used debian... |
| 02:41.45 | qop | langkid1: dvd1, dvd2, etc |
| 02:41.54 | dondelelcaro | langkid1: because debian takes 8 dvds? |
| 02:41.56 | qop | you only need 1 tho |
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| 02:42.06 | langkid1 | good |
| 02:42.27 | langkid1 | I was scared there for a little bit, I don't have the HDD space to download all those .isos |
| 02:42.49 | dondelelcaro | langkid1: you don't even need to download one; just get the netinst cd |
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| 02:43.08 | langkid1 | dondelelcaro, that'll download the needed packages as it installs? |
| 02:43.10 | cicerone | langkid1, /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 02:43.58 | langkid1 | oh, thanks :D |
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| 02:46.59 | cicerone | besides, the multiarch iso at debian.org is a netinstall iso too, but anyway... |
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| 02:50.01 | langkid1 | is there a netinst .torrent? I think it goes faster on .torrent |
| 02:50.30 | cicerone | we told you to download at debian.org for a reason, just listen |
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| 02:51.14 | langkid1 | isn't sure how to respond to that... |
| 02:52.11 | cicerone | cdimage.debian.org should be fast enough... |
| 02:53.04 | langkid1 | my ISP isn't fast enough, they're slowing me down |
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| 03:51.04 | kristian-aalborg | I can't get wireless working... I get the "no DHCPOFFERS received" error |
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| 03:52.49 | gunfire007 | on debian there are 8 dvd's which one should i download ? |
| 03:53.39 | gunfire007 | and there is also an update DVD. I am confused pls guide me.. |
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| 03:54.45 | somiaj | gunfire007: depends, do you have a good internet connenction and are able to install the packages you want off the internet? |
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| 03:55.24 | somiaj | gunfire007: or do you want to have a hard copy of all the packages in debian (most people only use a small selction of the total number of debian packages avalable) |
| 03:55.31 | gunfire007 | somiaj: ya i have good internet connection. |
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| 03:56.22 | somiaj | gunfire007: if you have a good internet conecntion you can just download the netinstall iso (which can be burnt to a cd or even put on a usb thumb drive) |
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| 03:56.51 | somiaj | gunfire007: that is about 300megs or so, it contains a base system and the tools to download all the other packages you need from the debian mirrors. |
| 03:57.14 | gunfire007 | ok and if i want to download dvd i can download ony dvd 1 will that do ? |
| 03:57.29 | gunfire007 | somiaj: for net install do i have to configure anything ? |
| 03:58.56 | ectospasm | gunfire007: what do you mean "configure anything?" |
| 03:59.02 | ectospasm | the answer depends |
| 03:59.23 | somiaj | gunfire007: yes dvd1 will contain the base system and most of the desktop enviorment. As for what do you have to configure, a lot depends on your network card |
| 03:59.37 | kristian-aalborg | "no working leases in persistent database".... all that jazz |
| 04:00.19 | somiaj | gunfire007: lots of wifi cards require non-free firmware which isn't on the netinstall iso (you'll have to copy that over sepertally). But if you have a card that requires no non-free firmware and is supported the netinstall does most things automtically (including setting up your network) |
| 04:01.32 | gunfire007 | ok friend i got the point :) |
| 04:01.42 | gunfire007 | thanks for guiding me somiaj :) |
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| 04:17.28 | H2O^CasperGemini | Hey everyone! My Fiance and I are getting Married on June 23rd, 2012 and need your help, if y'all could vote at http://www.getmarried.com/americas-top-bride/vote/428/ once a day until December 12, 2011, we would appreciate it! THANKS!!! |
| 04:17.47 | H2O^CasperGemini | BTW Debian is awesome :-D |
| 04:18.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | H2O^CasperGemini: please stop spamming. kthx |
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| 04:18.43 | H2O^CasperGemini | ah, sorry about thiat |
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| 04:18.50 | H2O^CasperGemini | just trying to get that dream wedding :-) |
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| 04:28.11 | rooks | is linux mint a polished gui on top of debian, or polished gui on top of ubuntu? since with the stuff going on with the ubuntu im thinking on switch to the debian, tho i like it posh and with little mangling like mint has :P |
| 04:28.48 | mosno | rooks: mint is not debian. see the wikipedia page for mint for more info |
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| 04:29.04 | rooks | okay, thanks |
| 04:29.06 | mosno | or their own webpage |
| 04:29.08 | somiaj | rooks: go ask #mint, this is debian |
| 04:29.10 | mosno | common sense, really |
| 04:29.48 | rooks | i thought mint was to debian something like kubuntu to ubuntu, but thanks for clearing it up |
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| 04:32.41 | tensorpudding | no, mint is based on ubuntu |
| 04:32.49 | tensorpudding | though it has a debian edition or something |
| 04:33.22 | rooks | their site says ""Based on Debian and Ubuntu, it provides about 30,000 packages and one of the best software managers" so it got me a little confused |
| 04:34.39 | mosno | rooks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint#Editions |
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| 04:35.18 | nas | is there a wine repository for debian sid? |
| 04:35.44 | somiaj | nas: I would suggest complining it from the upstream source |
| 04:35.45 | nas | if i change my sources to stable will it break something if i apt wine? |
| 04:36.04 | somiaj | nas: I personally make my own custome wine packages, but installing it in /usr/local with 'make install' works too |
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| 04:38.16 | rooks | mosno, oh, thanks, now i see theres mint based on ubuntu and mint based on debian, sweet :) |
| 04:38.30 | rooks | i think ill go with the latter |
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| 04:39.15 | mosno | rooks: knock yourself out :P |
| 04:39.35 | mosno | rooks: just remember that this channel doesn't provide support for any Mint edition |
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| 04:41.46 | rooks | awwww... :P |
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| 04:49.32 | qop | so, please tell me... can you downgrade with dpkg now? can you force install/uninstall operations? |
| 04:49.42 | qop | or is it same old dpkg |
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| 04:50.14 | somiaj | qop: you could always downgrade with dpkg, but you have to do it manually, and it doens't always work |
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| 04:50.36 | somiaj | qop: what is your problem? I.e. what are you trying to fix (I end up downgrading in sid a bunch to fix a bug until its fixed) |
| 04:52.35 | qop | I left Debian a while ago because dpkg would always break on me, well pagckages would and dpkg would refuse to fix. like a haskell package which script had a bugthat would not allow you to either complete installation nor to remove it, you could not force it or anything so the system had to be reinstalled |
| 04:53.11 | qop | somiaj: siliar things happened before... I am not ranting here... just thinking to install debian again, and wonder if anything have chaned |
| 04:53.56 | somiaj | qop: what versions of debian did you run? |
| 04:54.16 | somiaj | qop: stable very rarely has the issues you talk about and since versions don't change you shouldn't need to downgrade |
| 04:54.31 | qop | last time it was sarge I think? potato? dunno was about 5 years ago |
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| 04:54.51 | qop | it was stable |
| 04:55.17 | somiaj | well your description makes it sounds like you were installing testing/unstable packages or from unoffical sources. stable is thourghlly tested and you shouldn't run into the issues you mentioned. |
| 04:55.25 | qop | I also once needed to downgrade fontforge and couldnt |
| 04:55.41 | qop | I wasn't really didnt |
| 04:55.47 | somiaj | again stable versions are frozen. You shouldn't ever need to downgrade if your running stable packages. |
| 04:56.29 | qop | somiaj: in theory, yes, but some times you need to do unonvensional things for whatever reason |
| 04:57.06 | somiaj | qop: most issues are people not understanding how debian stable works and installing a random deb and from there thigns mess up. |
| 04:57.40 | qop | in any case, now, today, if a similar thing happened to me, would I be able to force haskell uninstall without the scripts? |
| 04:57.46 | somiaj | qop: apt/dpkg work really well in the debian stable and for the most part you won't run into any issues. If you start installing unoffical packages or mixing stable and testing with out backports you will run into these issues. |
| 04:58.09 | qop | yes, I used debian for like 4 years |
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| 04:59.28 | qop | again, I am not here to rant, just info :) |
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| 05:01.20 | somiaj | I've used debian sid for 10+ years and find the dpkg/apt a very powerful package manager. And if you stick with stable there should be very few issues you run into. All I'm saying is the issues you describe sound more like trying to install non-debian packages or mixing debian versions. If you learn to do things the debian way you won't run into those issues. |
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| 05:01.53 | qop | you are just defending dpkg |
| 05:01.59 | qop | and I am not attacking it |
| 05:03.00 | qop | besides, that can be interpreted as that dpkg is fragile and unstable, you change a little thing out of the stricly conventional and the whole thing falls down like a deck castle |
| 05:04.20 | somiaj | well then test it out for yourself. |
| 05:04.31 | qop | hehe ok |
| 05:04.39 | qop | thank you, maybe I will |
| 05:04.41 | erawfish_ | qop: downgrades are still not supported but doable manually and you can force uninstalls and installs. If you do however you better know what you are doing. and from the log, you don't |
| 05:04.43 | Rusty1 | these days aptititude tends to catch some problems |
| 05:04.53 | somiaj | its not that dpkg is unstable, its that you have to pay attention to what packages you install. If you need something that is not inside of debian stable, you need to make a backport |
| 05:05.06 | qop | erawfish_: easy to assume things |
| 05:05.16 | qop | erawfish_: but thanks for the info |
| 05:05.17 | erawfish_ | qop: yes, we see that with you |
| 05:05.38 | qop | erawfish_: really? lasst time you saw me around was.. when? |
| 05:06.02 | qop | please dont force me to argua against dpkg |
| 05:06.14 | erawfish_ | I see you assuming things. see. present tense |
| 05:06.17 | qop | it has upsides and downsides as anything |
| 05:06.33 | qop | erawfish_: you are just provoking |
| 05:06.43 | qop | I wont fall, |
| 05:07.08 | qop | thanks for the info I will probablyy give Debian a shot one of this days, laters |
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| 05:08.20 | fishhead | I found this room for chating about debian here check it out http://linuxdistroteamspeakcommunity.blogspot.com/ |
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| 05:11.59 | fishhead | Valtam i love this link http://linuxdistroteamspeakcommunity.blogspot.com/ |
| 05:12.16 | erawfish_ | !ops fishhead and valtam are a spammer team |
| 05:12.17 | somiaj | fishhead: this isn't a room for advertising. |
| 05:12.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: erawfish_ complains about: fishhead and valtam are a spammer team |
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| 05:16.37 | fishhead | Hi people who wanna chat instead of typing go too this link for Debian users http://linuxdistroteamspeakcommunity.blogspot.com/ |
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| 05:16.54 | Bushmills | erawfish_: let the poor guy try to advertise his blog - by repeatng to do so, he gives us a good indication how unsuccessful his attempts to populate it are. |
| 05:17.31 | Bushmills | what better way of telling how bad that blog must be can you think of? |
| 05:17.42 | fishhead | sissy |
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| 05:18.07 | deskrat | hi, ever heard of "No matching connection for ICMP error messag" type 3 code 1 |
| 05:18.09 | erawfish_ | it's not just the bot, _ahabthearab is the botmaster |
| 05:18.22 | _ahabthearab | excuse me? |
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| 05:18.35 | erawfish_ | Alam_Squeeze: |
| 05:18.44 | erawfish_ | E_NICK |
| 05:18.54 | fishhead | rally dont find me guilty of treason yet I'm trying to unite LINUX so we can fight Microshit |
| 05:18.56 | erawfish_ | _ahabthearab aka valtam |
| 05:19.14 | _ahabthearab | I come in here and I'm accused of something? |
| 05:19.19 | _ahabthearab | what kind of room is this |
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| 05:20.02 | fishhead | CHECK IT OUT PLEASE ITS FREE TOO |
| 05:20.12 | erawfish_ | _ahabthearab: you are valtam, as this nick you joined. and the site fishhead spams was made by someone named "valtam" as seen on that page. ergo: you and fishhead are the same person |
| 05:20.24 | _ahabthearab | shame on you erawfish_ |
| 05:20.30 | fishhead | nope |
| 05:21.04 | fishhead | its a linux community server please check it out |
| 05:21.17 | fishhead | we didnt set it up for fun |
| 05:21.39 | thisthat | so you want us to spam your contact page? |
| 05:21.48 | thisthat | is that what you are asking us to do? |
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| 05:21.57 | fishhead | I have been a Debian user for along time please check it out |
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| 05:22.29 | deskrat | hi, does any one know what would cause of "No matching connection for ICMP error messag" type 3 code 1 |
| 05:23.35 | thisthat | doesn't that mean that the host is unreachable? |
| 05:23.35 | J_Rey | not exactly off hand but do you get it when pinging multiple addresses/domains or just one? |
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| 05:24.03 | deskrat | just one |
| 05:24.13 | deskrat | its going through an lVS though |
| 05:24.17 | thisthat | deskrat: check out this http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/icmp/msg3.htm |
| 05:26.02 | J_Rey | does anyone know if you can call ifup from a (post-up) script called from within /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:26.33 | J_Rey | I assume it would allow nesting commands since they'd be run separately but just curious before I try it out |
| 05:26.42 | somiaj | J_Rey: don't see why not, what do you want to bring up a second interface after the first is already brought up? |
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| 05:29.07 | J_Rey | got a dynamic IPv4 connection with a static IPv6 connection |
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| 05:31.55 | J_Rey | since the regular interfaces file is just a config file I was going to call a script which would run ifup with an alternate interfaces file for the IPv6 tunnel so I could pass the current IPv4 endpoint address as a variable down the line since it won't go the other direction |
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| 05:33.30 | deskrat | ok i found one issue, ( missing arp entry) but still get the same erre |
| 05:34.51 | deskrat | bte, TY! |
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| 05:53.32 | rooks | i think ill move to debian and not mint, one thing stops me, does debian stable has wobbly windows by default? or at least easilly triggered to function? |
| 05:54.14 | somiaj | compiz is what you want, and its not default, but installalbe |
| 05:54.30 | somiaj | ,versions compiz |
| 05:54.32 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; wheezy: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 05:54.46 | rooks | yup, was wondering if its shipped by default |
| 05:55.07 | rooks | okay, thanks, off to install debian me goes :) |
| 05:55.11 | somiaj | depends on what you call default....Debian doesn't force xorg or even a dekstop enviorment by default. |
| 05:55.28 | somiaj | but I belive its part of the gnome desktop enviorment task (though not positive on this since I don't use it) |
| 05:56.00 | rooks | somiaj, what do you use instead? |
| 05:56.10 | somiaj | rooks: I use fvwm |
| 05:56.37 | rooks | cool. i thought people dont do that anymore :) |
| 05:56.52 | somiaj | rooks: some use kde, others xfce, others lxde, some fluxbox, or any of the other wm's debian has |
| 05:57.17 | somiaj | fvwm is light weght, extreamly configurable and runs smooth and fast |
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| 05:58.19 | rooks | i think ill stick with gnome2 since i like it the most, or maybe ill go to enlightenment if ill feel fancy one day :) |
| 05:58.20 | somiaj | rooks: but see why debian doesn't force any desktop as default. Though after you install debian it gives you the option to install any of the major desktop envorments (with gnome being the default if you just say DE) |
| 05:58.54 | rooks | okay, thanks :) |
| 05:59.51 | Bushmills | and not just that, you can even install one of the more obscure window managers too |
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| 06:02.11 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/WindowManager -- debian doesn't limit your choice. |
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| 06:03.19 | paul3 | hey, guys! I'm kinda new to debian. Is there something like windows registry in linux systems? |
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| 06:03.49 | Amarande | debian box won't boot. trying to figure out if the mobo decided to go. |
| 06:04.06 | Bushmills | paul3: if /etc qualifies as central place to keep configs, sort of |
| 06:04.49 | paul3 | Bushmills, thanks :) and where do all new installed programs go? |
| 06:04.50 | Bushmills | that's system configs, not user configs |
| 06:04.51 | somiaj | gconf2 tries to be that for the gnome desktop, which just makes it a pita to configure (imo) |
| 06:04.58 | Bushmills | paul3: on your hard disk |
| 06:05.13 | paul3 | Bushmills, and user configs in .folders ? |
| 06:05.28 | paul3 | like ~/.wine ? |
| 06:05.44 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:05.52 | Bushmills | ~/.config is a place for a lot of user configs |
| 06:05.52 | apt | ...but /.config is already something else... |
| 06:06.20 | Bushmills | !/.config |
| 06:06.30 | somiaj | paul3: its probabaly better to ask where do you go to configure a paticular program. the man pages, /usr/share/doc/<pkg name>, are good sources of info for that. |
| 06:06.31 | jetscreamer | ~ botsnack |
| 06:06.31 | apt | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 06:06.45 | Bushmills | !~/.config |
| 06:07.40 | paul3 | somiaj, I'm just wondering in general :) |
| 06:08.38 | somiaj | paul3: yea system config files in /etc, user config files in $HOME -- some applications break this, but I find text based configs better than a central database. |
| 06:09.28 | paul3 | somiaj, so do I. you said some apps break this, but they still use text files, just put them in different folders, right? |
| 06:09.34 | thisthat | how do i use .key files with ssh? |
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| 06:10.53 | rooks | paul3, the user keeps all his personal config and own data files in /home/username , the software is installed all over the place, mostly divided into /lib for various libraries and /bin for 'core' system binaries and /usr/bin and /usr/lib for non'core' binaries, like mostly everything else, server-related stuff, like emails for email server, or pages for http server, is usually kept in /var somewhere |
| 06:10.54 | somiaj | paul3: the gnome desktop tries to centralize this in the xml database like tool, gconf2. |
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| 06:11.17 | kleanchap_ | Debian - Day 1 - The system did not freeze. :) |
| 06:11.33 | somiaj | thisthat: $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 06:12.06 | paul3 | somiaj, thanks :) |
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| 06:14.28 | paul3 | another thing I'd like to understand. Iptables is the core firewall, like windows has, right? Any other applications use their own firewall or just configure iptables? |
| 06:15.02 | jetscreamer | lots of front ends for iptables |
| 06:15.07 | jetscreamer | !firewall |
| 06:15.07 | dpkg | A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>. |
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| 06:16.08 | paul3 | <A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on.> how's that?? 0_o |
| 06:16.46 | rooks | paul3, there are usually specialised distributions that act as border gateway, usually its a good idea to keep some designated 'appliance' such as small-office/home-office router to sanitize internet a bit :) |
| 06:17.12 | thisthat | because a firewall can be rooted |
| 06:17.50 | paul3 | rooks, well yeah, that seems logical, but if I configure a firewall on my box - it won't be protected? |
| 06:17.54 | thisthat | i guess "securing" is quite ambiguous |
| 06:18.30 | rooks | paul3, unixes as such are built to be secure out of box even with services exposed to the world |
| 06:19.44 | paul3 | rooks, so there's no point in configuring my own firewall at all? |
| 06:20.02 | rooks | paul3, i wouldnt worry much about securing stuff, one home router like linksys or dlink or something of those brands is okayish, and use behind that router your linux in normal way |
| 06:20.57 | rooks | paul3, if youre planning to run your computer in a desktop way then theres not much point on securing it, its good as it is |
| 06:21.44 | kleanchap_ | If I use Debian live CD on my computer, Is it still possible to install some preffered tools (that are not on the Live CD) and run them? |
| 06:21.53 | paul3 | okay, thanks everybody :) |
| 06:21.59 | rooks | paul3, security is like building a fence high enough to disconvenience potential attacker.. theres no need to build tripple barbed wire fence around your computer with photos from vacation and such on it... |
| 06:22.44 | paul3 | rooks, yeah, I guess :) |
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| 06:27.46 | Amarande | hmm. how's squeeze on newer mobos eg core I5, I7 etc* |
| 06:28.00 | rooks | paul3, the locks that come with default linuxes are quite solid, after all there are almost no viruses for linux |
| 06:28.49 | rooks | paul3, just like there are almost no viruses for mac, which is build on unix philosophy as well |
| 06:29.45 | paul3 | rooks, yeah, I've heard about that. though I used ubuntu before that, and, before unity freaked me out completely and they removed gnome, I've read some posts in ubuntu IRC that systems got hacked |
| 06:30.26 | paul3 | maybe thaty didn't have passwords at all and stuff.. but still, makes me paranoid.. |
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| 06:31.18 | rooks | paul3, ubuntu is so widespread and almost anyone uses it, that probably someone set password to "password" and things went out of hand... |
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| 06:32.02 | rooks | paul3, but yeah, unity and removal of gnome makes me switch to debian, since i really dont like what they are doing with ubuntu into turning it into one big shop or something... |
| 06:33.00 | paul3 | rooks, same for me. and it actually made my box hang and done funny things to graphics aswell.. |
| 06:33.00 | somiaj | paul3: some people are more paranoid than others. Passphrases are also a good way to make your passwords secure (like 20-30 characters) |
| 06:33.17 | paul3 | somiaj, yeah, got meself a long one :) |
| 06:33.24 | rooks | i have dictionary word passphrase, but typed with alt-gr on :) |
| 06:33.30 | rooks | and shift too |
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| 06:34.50 | somiaj | asdf is still my prefed password...*hides* |
| 06:35.30 | rooks | my admin taught me that real security doesnt come from from how easy it is to break system, but how fast you can get it back up again :) so i dont worry much about those things as passwords |
| 06:36.20 | somiaj | depends on what you want your security for. protecting uptime is far different than protecting sensitive info. |
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| 06:36.58 | rooks | "too many secrets" |
| 06:37.03 | rooks | runs away :P |
| 06:37.39 | paul3 | somiaj, agrre |
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| 06:38.31 | paul3 | *ee:) |
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| 06:40.58 | somiaj | rooks: agreed, but doens't mean people don't want to protect them |
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| 06:43.21 | rooks | somiaj, im now investigating downshifitng my life, moving to country, or at least getting a tumbleweed home :) |
| 06:43.32 | rooks | so each to their own :) |
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| 06:44.20 | rooks | i understand motives of people who do want to participate in that, been there myself, but its not part of my system anymore :) |
| 06:45.14 | gnarface | does anyone know of some recent ppp documentation? like, post-squeeze era? i really really want to be able to route network traffic over bluetooth to my palm pilot and other such devices but all the documentation on how to do it is just ancient |
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| 06:45.37 | Bushmills | neither routing nor bluetooth have changed a lot |
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| 06:45.56 | Bushmills | where does the need for "recent" docs come from? |
| 06:46.40 | gnarface | well maybe i should clarify and say "recent and works in debian or at least comes close enough to doing so that i can figure it out if its my first time using ppp in linux" |
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| 06:47.31 | gnarface | and please, don't mistake that statement to mean i'm a networking noob, i just haven't figured out ppp and the ppp package isn't much help |
| 06:48.38 | rooks | gnarface, i think there are tools nowadays to make what you want (net via blutooth) available to your device straight from the desktop |
| 06:48.38 | Bushmills | ppp gives you a network interface. you can set up bluetooth to do the same. in terms of routing, there'll be no difference between routing to those interfaces, or to more conventional ethernet NICs |
| 06:49.12 | gnarface | really? |
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| 06:49.38 | rooks | gnarface, i know ubuntu does, not sure if debian has it, but my bet is that it has |
| 06:49.39 | gnarface | maybe the problem then is the example ppp config script has so many bewilderingly bizzare examples it throws me off |
| 06:49.51 | gnarface | i admit i haven't tried this in the last 2 years |
| 06:50.09 | gnarface | i settled just for using obexftp but i really still want to be able to actually do light web browsing |
| 06:50.10 | rooks | (or it is easily stealable from ubuntu) |
| 06:50.20 | gnarface | rooks: what's the package name? do you know? |
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| 06:51.51 | rooks | gnarface, not sure.. you can install ubuntu on pendrive and give it a test, it comes with default on it, i used my cell as network modem via blutooth that way, all through gui without getting into terminal and such |
| 06:52.21 | rooks | gnarface, but what you said is you wanna do the opposite so it might require a bit of more fiddling i guess |
| 06:52.41 | rooks | opposite = net on device via blutooth from your puter |
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| 06:53.10 | HeavyMetal | hi i am looking for the file that sets the domain name of the system so i can change it does anyone know what file it is? |
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| 06:55.43 | Bushmills | HeavyMetal: how would it help you changing a domain name on your computer? |
| 06:56.38 | HeavyMetal | because i want it to say my doamin name when i do hostname -d |
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| 06:57.24 | somiaj | HeavyMetal: depends, /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 06:57.39 | somiaj | HeavyMetal: but what your computer thinks it is and the revese dns of your ip can differ |
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| 06:58.24 | HeavyMetal | i see |
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| 06:58.53 | HeavyMetal | thanks |
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| 07:05.56 | rooks | somiaj, can i post links here to youtube to stuff about being clever, but not really related to the computers? |
| 07:07.17 | somiaj | rooks: I'm not an op, and offtopic chatter is frowned upon. there is a #debian-offtopic for more social chatter |
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| 07:32.35 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 07:33.40 | Maiku-kun | how could I make a configuration for two users with different monitors/keyboards and the same Debian OS? |
| 07:34.10 | Maiku-kun | I mean what software should I configure for that purpose? |
| 07:36.20 | Bushmills | Maiku-kun: let one of them connect with a terminal. either per ssh or with an X terminal, using xdmcp |
| 07:36.35 | Bushmills | sshd and/or xorg |
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| 07:37.53 | Bushmills | instead of an X terminal, second user can use a conventional computer with an X server, and, for simplicity, a display manager supporting xdmcp |
| 07:38.01 | Maiku-kun | oh, I mean the second monitor is plugged into the same system block, it isn't remote |
| 07:38.27 | somiaj | well be hard to have two independent xorgs running at the same time since they will both be on a different tty....only way I can think of is having one slave computer run the xorg on a remote client |
| 07:38.53 | Maiku-kun | so it's the same computer for both |
| 07:40.02 | Bushmills | a "slim client" which essentially is an X terminal. you wouldn't call that a computer, therefore both users are on the same computer |
| 07:40.14 | Maiku-kun | as long as it's hard to get two X servers for one computer, I'm trying to find another way.. |
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| 07:40.37 | Maiku-kun | Bushmills: thanks, i'll try to google it) are there any other clues? |
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| 07:45.44 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: in some cases the slim client doens't even need a harddrive if there is enough ram to boot off the network. |
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| 07:46.58 | Maiku-kun | somiaj: it may help, and could you advice any certain software |
| 07:47.09 | Maiku-kun | i found common reference only.. |
| 07:47.38 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client -- I'd start here |
| 07:49.04 | Maiku-kun | already read it =) |
| 07:49.24 | rozie | won't there be a problem with sound wiht xdmcp? |
| 07:49.41 | LordTrev | If I accidentally mixed stable and testing is there any way to fix my system without upgrading everything to testing? |
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| 07:49.56 | rozie | (forget about accelerated graphics) |
| 07:50.19 | rozie | LordTrev: it's not broken. it's just mixed |
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| 07:50.33 | ompaul | Maiku-kun: you want xdmcp or remmina |
| 07:50.53 | somiaj | LordTrev: you can use aptitude to search for all installed testing packages, and then manually downgrade them all back to stable. |
| 07:51.00 | rozie | LordTrev: you can use apt-show-versions to check which packages were upgraded |
| 07:51.10 | LordTrev | rozie, update manager ran and now I cannot install half the things I want |
| 07:51.21 | ompaul | Maiku-kun: in both cases some command line after it is set up (on a non hostile lan) X :1 -query MainServerIPorName |
| 07:52.40 | ompaul | Maiku-kun: you can run xdmcp from a windows box with cygwin installed and install X and some other stuff don't have time now to give enough headers you can run it on a debian box with local X turned off |
| 07:53.05 | Maiku-kun | ompaul: there is no windows box) |
| 07:53.17 | Maiku-kun | I have a machine with debian |
| 07:53.26 | sauvin | What's the syntax for apt-getting the source to the currently running kernel? |
| 07:53.29 | ompaul | Maiku-kun: but I can't stress how much it must be a friendly lan security on xdmcp is very open to sniffing |
| 07:54.03 | Maiku-kun | and want to plug in the second monitor and separate the second user account for that monitor |
| 07:54.23 | ompaul | sauvin: tried this? apt-get install linux-source-3.0.0 |
| 07:54.42 | ompaul | that can be done but I've never done it |
| 07:54.51 | sauvin | Who would want a .0.0 release!? |
| 07:54.53 | ompaul | HP used to make boxes like that for the african market |
| 07:54.57 | Maiku-kun | ompaul: also, isn't remmina just remote client? |
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| 07:55.34 | rozie | Maiku-kun: http://gallois.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/debian-xdmcp-and-an-ol-pc/ - looks reasonable (and pretty fresh - Lenny) |
| 07:55.53 | ompaul | Maiku-kun: for ... come on this is not a -vv conversation you need to look at it it is a client to remotely do what |
| 07:56.02 | ompaul | Maiku-kun: I have to leave it there with you :) |
| 07:56.04 | rozie | Maiku-kun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xdmcp - short instruction for Windows |
| 07:56.23 | nitzs | Is there any software by which one can change the color temperature of the display? |
| 07:57.16 | ompaul | sauvin: it covers 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 07:57.51 | ompaul | sauvin: basically there is a 2.6 one but it does 2.6.nn |
| 07:57.54 | sauvin | Grr. I've been sticking with 32 bit versions because my machines have 3 gigs of RAM or less. |
| 07:58.02 | rozie | nitzs: yes. take a look on redshift. search it's homepage, there should be other references |
| 07:58.08 | Maiku-kun | rozie: thanks, i'll look through it |
| 07:58.11 | ompaul | sauvin: that is totally your choice |
| 07:58.23 | ompaul | good luck - work here I come |
| 07:58.34 | sauvin | Not for very much longer. I have a machine waiting that has 4 gigs, and I don't think I want to mess with PAE. |
| 07:58.51 | rozie | there's no mess with PAE |
| 07:58.51 | somiaj | sauvin: you can run -bigmem (-sae) or a 64bit kernel on 32bit userland |
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| 07:59.21 | nitzs | rozie: okay, thanks. |
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| 08:05.38 | rooks | does debian have openoffice or libreoffice? |
| 08:05.46 | rooks | (stable) |
| 08:07.43 | somiaj | rooks: one or the other, I forget when debian switched to libreoffice |
| 08:07.48 | somiaj | ,versions openoffice |
| 08:07.49 | judd | No package named 'openoffice' was found in i386. |
| 08:07.56 | somiaj | ,versions libreoffice |
| 08:07.57 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.4.3-4; wheezy: 1:3.4.3-4 |
| 08:08.22 | somiaj | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 08:08.22 | judd | Package: openoffice.org on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny11; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny12; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze4; sid: 1:3.4.0~ooo340m1-5; wheezy: 1:3.4.0~ooo340m1-5 |
| 08:08.45 | somiaj | rooks: It is still openoffice.org in stable, hadn't made the switchyet |
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| 16:35.08 | nb-ben | is there a command that would update my kernel to a newer version? |
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| 16:36.55 | petemc | nb-ben: debian packages kernels as linux-image-foo , check apt-cache search linux-image , if you dont see anything more recent then you may want to add backports to sources.list |
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| 16:53.33 | threadlock | why (in stable) does the python package say 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 when the python2.6 package is 2.6.6-8+b1 ? |
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| 16:55.39 | themill | threadlock: the python package doesn't actually contain the python libraries or executable and is built out of a different source package. As such, it has a different revision history and a different version number. |
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| 16:56.02 | themill | ,src python |
| 16:56.03 | judd | Package python in squeeze -- source: python-defaults |
| 16:56.04 | themill | ,src python2.6 |
| 16:56.06 | judd | Package python2.6 in squeeze -- source: python2.6 |
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| 16:57.58 | threadlock | so, if something depends on python >= 2.6.6-7~ it is not that it actually depends on python2.6 >= 2.6.6-7~ ? |
| 16:58.11 | nikin | hi. I am running a server in the corner wich is to give access to our invoicing application throught vnc, without the screen connected. My problem is that gdm dies if there is no screen... i have created a fake display , but still. That solution worked in the previous ubuntu 10.4 setup. |
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| 16:58.58 | themill | threadlock: that dependency will be there to pick up a certain version of a debian python helper tool (dh_python2, most likely) which is used to manage the installation and compilation of python modules. It will be there to ensure a particular feature is available (or bug is fixed) |
| 16:59.01 | EmleyMoor | nikin: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net would be a more appropriate place to ask |
| 16:59.14 | nikin | EmleyMoor: for a DEbian problem? |
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| 16:59.42 | EmleyMoor | nikin: You've switched to Debian? |
| 16:59.52 | nikin | EmleyMoor: yes... squeeze |
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| 17:00.30 | rotflcopter | will other computers be able to use the net if i set a dmz host on my router ? |
| 17:00.56 | threadlock | themill: ah.. i'm trying to install python-bzr on a server, but without having to install too much wheezy stuff (if i could just stuff that package in i'm happy) |
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| 17:01.01 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: I believe you can set up an xorg.conf or possibly a gdmrc that tells the server it's ok to start if it can't find a screen. I know you can do that for the mouse. |
| 17:01.07 | nikin | rotflcopter: normally yes... DMZ gets all the elseway not routed traffic |
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| 17:01.20 | rotflcopter | ok thanks |
| 17:01.22 | nikin | jhutchins_lt: xorg.conf is done... |
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| 17:02.16 | nikin | jhutchins_lt: where is gdmrc? |
| 17:02.42 | themill | threadlock: eek... mixing releases isn't a great plan in general, even less so on a server where you're going to want security support |
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| 17:04.44 | themill | threadlock: and in this case, that dependency is there for dh_python2 and pycompile fixes. |
| 17:04.47 | nikin | is there a way to make gdm obey my xorg.conf? |
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| 17:06.39 | threadlock | themill: well, we're using reviewboard, and that isn't even a debian package.. we upgraded today and this, later version, seems to depend a bit on bzrlib |
| 17:06.54 | nikin | startx says that it refuses to load the vesa driver becouse there is a mode switching driver running |
| 17:07.04 | themill | nikin: are you sure you don't want something like xvfb or xserver-xephyr instead? |
| 17:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: Try slocate to find it. I run kde. |
| 17:07.34 | themill | makes jhutchins_lt try slocate |
| 17:07.35 | nikin | themill: i dont mind until it starts me a gdm :P |
| 17:07.51 | themill | nikin: do you really need gdm for what you're talking about? |
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| 17:08.35 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: The command is locate, debian appears to be using mlocate these days. |
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| 17:08.50 | nikin | themill: no: but i would rather drop the burden of redoing all the policies, background processes, and stuff that needs to be done to use a thing like network manager without gdm |
| 17:08.50 | themill | and has for four years... seriously. |
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| 17:09.31 | themill | nikin: that sounds like a very weird sort of virtual server you've got if it's doing things with network-manager as well. |
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| 17:09.45 | nikin | themill: backup mobile internet |
| 17:10.02 | themill | nikin: still, you should be able to have gdm work in one of those virtual X servers |
| 17:10.10 | nikin | currently it is a bit in a test phasse... if we choose the final modem i will drop n |
| 17:10.34 | nikin | themill: ok... can you maybe point me out to some tutorial |
| 17:10.36 | threadlock | themill: do you have a suggestion? since we need bzrlib somehow, but don't want to run wheezy on our servers, and at the same time keep ourselves to debian packages as far as we can, backporting that package felt like a good idea |
| 17:10.53 | thewanderer1 | `lsusb -t` returns: cannot open /proc/bus/usb/devices, No such file or directory (2); what am I missing? O.o (Squeeze) |
| 17:11.09 | thewanderer1 | I should add that `lsusb` works as expected |
| 17:11.13 | themill | threadlock: bzrlib in its current state is not very backportable. Or at least, you'd have to do a lot of futzing with its packaging. |
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| 17:12.02 | nikin | themill: i would be the gladest to drop gdm .. gnome and whatnot... but still... i dont want to break the system... and without gdm thats the thing you do to gnome nowdays |
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| 17:12.51 | threadlock | themill: i was hoping i could merely change that dependency.. |
| 17:13.10 | themill | nikin: do you need individuals to be able to log in to this themselves? or this run as some shared user? |
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| 17:14.33 | themill | threadlock: unlikely to work out well, unfortunately. You might be forced to use a chroot here to keep as much of your machine running stable with a small python bit from unstable (/msg dpkg schroot). O better, just do a source install in a virtualenv of the python modules you need for this task. |
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| 17:14.52 | themill | wonders if the mention of virtualevn will get babilen to chip in |
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| 17:16.36 | nikin | themill: shared user ... it was an atologin gdm.. with a VNC server starting up in the DM.. |
| 17:16.36 | kristian-aalborg | hi again |
| 17:16.41 | nikin | WM sorry |
| 17:16.46 | kristian-aalborg | I just can't get the wifi going on this box |
| 17:17.07 | kristian-aalborg | ah, wait |
| 17:17.37 | nikin | themill: but i am interseted in a separated login procedure based on VNC to. That would be of use for other pourposes later... but not on the first round |
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| 17:20.10 | themill | nikin: see, you should be able to cut gdm entirely out of that and have the virtual X server just run gnome-session. Or if it's a single purpose session, just have it run your app fullscreen. (don't ask me for more details... I've not touched gnome in sufficiently long to have no idea what works or doesn't when started outside gdm) |
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| 17:22.54 | nikin | themill: i see... i have experienced some wird stuff when trying to run gnome without gdm. but i will try to encapsulate gdm into Xvnc might help .... have found a tutorial.... i will report back on how it went. (...dropping a tear for the time when X did what it was told to) |
| 17:24.08 | themill | nikin: yeah, X believes it's supposed to run on real hardware so the lack of real hardware in the new world of autodetection can cause it to have a hissy fit. When you want a virtual session, use a virtual X server and all should work pretty easily. |
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| 17:26.29 | cantido | thought Xorg had drivers from vmware etc |
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| 17:27.54 | razieliyo | hi |
| 17:28.01 | rly | This website http://linuxreviews.org/man/start-stop-daemon/ says that that program has a -e option. Now, how can I get that option in Debian? |
| 17:28.05 | razieliyo | I'm having some weird problem, I explain myself |
| 17:28.21 | themill | rly: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 17:28.57 | rly | themill: start emacs at boot with a USER variable equivalent to my normal user, not root. |
| 17:29.35 | rly | themill: I already modified this script a bit, but the wrong environment is being used. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsAsDaemon#toc3 |
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| 17:29.45 | themill | rly: do you mean you want to start it as your user or as root getting its config from your user? |
| 17:29.46 | razieliyo | when I try to mount an external HD clicking in its icon, it throws me an error like this: http://pastebin.com/fH9ZKFwU |
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| 17:29.57 | rly | themill: I want to start it as my user, not root. |
| 17:30.04 | razieliyo | ok, I mount it manually and there is no problem (mount /dev/sdb1 /bleh) |
| 17:30.38 | razieliyo | but the thing is that if I plug in another hard disk, it mounts automatically correct |
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| 17:30.54 | themill | rly: an @reboot crontab entry would be better for you then |
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| 17:31.19 | razieliyo | I mean, if I insert first HD1 it's called sdb1 and it doesn't mount auto, but if the same HD is pluged in the second one (sdc1), it's mounted without any problem |
| 17:31.42 | karlpinc | themill: That's a good thought, and makes me wonder what @reboot is good for. Just this sort of thing? |
| 17:31.48 | rly | themill: so, a normal crontab entry as user? |
| 17:32.01 | themill | rly: Yes. (but in terms of defining a variable for the sub-process, "export FOO=bar" in the init script should be enough.) |
| 17:32.28 | themill | karlpinc: yeah. Just be careful that @reboot is also triggered when cron is HUPed e.g. as part of a libc6 upgrade. |
| 17:32.50 | karlpinc | themill: Thanks. Interesting gotcha. |
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| 17:33.12 | themill | s/HUPed/restarted/ |
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| 17:34.05 | wildc4rd | Good evening all |
| 17:34.14 | razieliyo | it seems like my computer tries to mount /dev/sdb1 as a CD-ROM |
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| 17:34.40 | razieliyo | maybe just a nautilus issue |
| 17:35.35 | karlpinc | razieliyo: You can't ever really be certain of the device name. That's what /dev/disk/by-*/ are for, when you want a specific device handled in a specific way in fstab. |
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| 17:35.59 | razieliyo | oh wait, fstab was wrong! |
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| 17:36.28 | razieliyo | thanks karlpinc, it was an fstab issue |
| 17:36.58 | razieliyo | the thing is that I haven't changed it since I installed debian, it seems it makes /dev/sdb1 as a cdrom unit by default in this installation |
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| 17:38.53 | nikin | running gdm in xvnc did make gdm start... but icons are some fonts are not shown |
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| 17:39.02 | nas | when i download all debs in http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 17:39.08 | nas | i install them all |
| 17:39.14 | nas | than i try to apt-get install -f |
| 17:39.31 | nas | like it says to get dependencies but it just deletes everything i just installed |
| 17:41.06 | somiaj | nas: uninstall the debs you tried to install -- are you running debian stable? Testing or unstable? |
| 17:42.05 | nas | testing |
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| 17:44.00 | nas | somiaj, i uninstalled them |
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| 17:46.02 | somiaj | nas: well the issue is you installed a package with some unmet dependency that is now messing with your dependency logic. You could try aptitidue see if it has a sanner solution to your problem, or manually remove all the conflicting packages and make your own wine package |
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| 17:56.45 | nas | somiaj do you know how to install newest wine from source? |
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| 17:56.49 | nas | i think you have to use git |
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| 18:01.16 | themill | dpkg: tell pikudoz about root |
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| 18:01.37 | nikin | themill: ok so i get to the point that i can login and the icon bug is gone... but now i am unable to have a shared screen with someone... i am allways presented with gdm... and get a new screen |
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| 18:02.51 | Blackvel | i think i got a problem. my old server has a different passwd / uid as my new server. when i restore some files of my backup all permissions are wrong (cp --preserve=all) does not help. but I guess it makes no sense to change the uid to the same for important users like postfix, mysql and stuff? |
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| 18:07.00 | kb3ien | is debian 6.0.2.1 iso 1 for sparc still on any server? the 6.0.3 isn't bootinf for me on the sunfirev100 and I lost my 6.0.2.1 iso! |
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| 18:08.20 | Blackvel | does anybody know what squeeze 6.0.3 has patched against apache 2.2.21 fix CVE-2011-3192 |
| 18:10.29 | demonkeeper | Blackvel: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.16-6+squeeze4/changelog |
| 18:11.09 | kdog | Blackvel: security-tracker is your friend: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-3192 |
| 18:11.13 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 18:11.14 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 18:11.25 | abrotman | looks at his hat ... |
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| 18:12.03 | themill | Blackvel: patch-tracker can also tell you that: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/series/view/apache2/2.2.16-6+squeeze4/085_CVE-2011-3192.dpatch |
| 18:13.12 | kb3ien | is there any ftp site that has the old isos? |
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| 18:14.21 | zleslie | Hi |
| 18:14.27 | zleslie | How can I tell why a package was installed? |
| 18:14.34 | zleslie | I forget how to do this each time |
| 18:14.34 | demonkeeper | kb3ien: archive.debian.org? |
| 18:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Does gnome currently have problems with the other login/display managers like kdm, xdm, etc? |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | zleslie: aptitude why foo |
| 18:15.16 | themill | jhutchins_lt: nfc. I don't touch gnome stuff. |
| 18:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, me neither. |
| 18:15.30 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i used to use gnome with xdm, worked fine |
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| 18:15.45 | zleslie | abrotman: danke |
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| 18:17.57 | tensorpudding | jhutchins, why do you think it would? |
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| 18:20.37 | rly | themill: thanks for the excellent advice earlier. |
| 18:21.02 | kb3ien | archive.debian.org is missing the 6.0.2.1 darn. |
| 18:21.10 | themill | rly: no worries. One line is always nicer than hundreds :) |
| 18:21.17 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Someone earlier was having trouble with gdm hanging. |
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| 18:26.29 | somiaj | nas: I just download the most recent tarball and use ./configure, make, make install (this puts it in userlocal) -- with dh_make you can easily make some basic debian/ dir in the source and compile it into a package. Installing /usr/local is just fine, I just prefer the package myself |
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| 18:28.07 | zleslie | What method should I use so that for a given package, recomends are not installed. |
| 18:28.09 | zleslie | ? |
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| 18:28.35 | zleslie | is that a preference? |
| 18:28.42 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: aptitude --wihtout-recommends install foopkg; |
| 18:28.46 | rly | zleslie: --no-install-recommends |
| 18:28.55 | rly | zleslie: mine is for apt-get |
| 18:29.02 | zleslie | I need to do it from a config file instead of at the cli |
| 18:29.03 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: man aptitude; or man apt-get; for details |
| 18:29.57 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: well, then read the manpage; it's explained how to do it for both there... but that will disable recommends entirely |
| 18:30.19 | dondelelcaro | which is probably not what you want if you don't already know how to do it |
| 18:30.20 | zleslie | right, I just want it for this one package |
| 18:30.29 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: well, then for that one package, you do it the way I told you |
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| 18:30.44 | zleslie | I can't do it at the command line |
| 18:30.47 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: recommends only apply when you're installing a package, or upgrading a package and the recommends have changed |
| 18:30.50 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: why not? |
| 18:31.11 | zleslie | Too many system, and it doesn't align with our config management system |
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| 18:31.27 | zleslie | I need to be able to configure a file and have it do the right thing |
| 18:31.56 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: so? |
| 18:32.19 | zleslie | okay, I see where this is going. Thank you |
| 18:32.20 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: it'd help if you explained precisely what you are trying to do, and what the package in question is |
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| 18:32.52 | zleslie | The package isnagios-nrpe-plugin |
| 18:32.54 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: because there are a few dozen ways of acchieving this in cases where you have massive number of systems and you want to maintain a specific set of installed packages |
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| 18:33.07 | somiaj | zleslie: you can configure apt-get to not install recomends by default, with /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ config file. |
| 18:33.23 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: and you don't want it installing nagios3? |
| 18:33.28 | zleslie | correct |
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| 18:33.43 | zleslie | and I am aware of : https://wiki.icinga.org/display/howtos/Setting+up+NRPE+with+Icinga#SettingupNRPEwithIcinga-Master |
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| 18:33.54 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: do you ever want to have nagios3 installed? or what? |
| 18:33.55 | zleslie | I know how this works from a one-off |
| 18:34.25 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: and if this is a set of distributed systems, is there any reason why you've got recommends enabled at all? |
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| 18:34.29 | zleslie | I only want nagios3 installed on my nagios server, but not everywhere else. Nagios3 brings in apache as well |
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| 18:35.16 | zleslie | dondelelcaro: mostly because its default. You may have a point. Is there any reason to disable it entirely instead of jsut for this one package? |
| 18:35.23 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: it actually shouldn't bring in nagios3 |
| 18:35.25 | valdyn | zleslie: it recommends apache2, you dont have to install recommends |
| 18:35.42 | zleslie | dondelelcaro: but it does |
| 18:35.49 | dondelelcaro | ah, it's nagios3-cgi that brings in apache |
| 18:36.32 | valdyn | zleslie: read the aptitude manpage : without-recommends |
| 18:36.48 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: anyway, there are a couple of different ways to do this; you can either have a dummy package which Provides: nagios3 which gets installed on your non-nagios machines, or you can disable recommends completely, and specify explicitely the set of recommended packages that you want installed |
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| 18:37.55 | dondelelcaro | zleslie: the first is the method of blocking a particular recommended package from being installed by recommends (or even by non-versioned dependencies), and the second is the way you'd do it if you had a ton of machines that you wanted to be sure were all set up identically |
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| 18:38.21 | kleanchap | If I want to add all the users on my debian box to have access to a samba share, is the syntax "valid users = @users" ? |
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| 18:39.06 | odla_ | should /etc/environment be empty on a clean squeeze install? |
| 18:39.20 | boudiccas | kleanchap; what does 'man samba' ssay? |
| 18:39.34 | boudiccas | say |
| 18:41.53 | nikin | Hi. is there a way to make gnome administrative tools work without gdm? |
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| 18:42.22 | nikin | i have am not prompted for a password |
| 18:42.46 | nikin | and nothing happens when i try to add a user as an example |
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| 18:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: What does gdm have to do with it? All gdm does is handle login and session selection. |
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| 18:46.03 | nikin | jhutchins_lt: you tell me.. i run the gnome session and all ... only omitted gdm from the picture, and it breaks some security thingy... maybe AppArmor... or i dont know whats the latest gig |
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| 18:47.12 | nikin | jhutchins_lt: sorry it is policykit |
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| 18:47.24 | MoonTiger | hi guys |
| 18:47.47 | MoonTiger | anybody know the magic incantations needed to get the installer to actually find and use firmware from a usb stick? |
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| 18:48.28 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: So you're running gnome from a console login? |
| 18:48.58 | zleslie | dondelelcaro: are there any negative consequences of not installing recomends by default? |
| 18:49.18 | zleslie | It seems like a lot of the packges I have on my systems are installed as a result of recommends |
| 18:49.45 | boudiccas | zleslie; not having an up to date system, patched with all relevant security patches |
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| 18:49.52 | nikin | jhutchins_lt: from a vncserver to be exact |
| 18:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | zleslie: My systems seem to default to not installing recommends or suggests. |
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| 18:50.17 | zleslie | boudiccas: I don't see how apt-get upgrade doesn't fix that |
| 18:50.19 | iman | do you know rich worthy book about DNS ? |
| 18:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: How are you starting gnome? |
| 18:50.33 | zleslie | iman: zytrax |
| 18:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | iman: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596001582.do |
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| 18:51.30 | iman | zleslie, is that name ? |
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| 18:51.36 | nikin | the vncserver starts it using a xstartup file wich ends in exec gnome-session... i remeber that i need to replace exec to something to get back policykit |
| 18:51.36 | iman | jhoepken, so appreciate man |
| 18:51.49 | zleslie | iman: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ |
| 18:51.49 | iman | jhutchins_lt, so appreciate man |
| 18:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Actually, this is the newer edition: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596100575.do |
| 18:51.52 | zleslie | iman: its free |
| 18:52.03 | zleslie | iman: I assume you meant bind |
| 18:52.13 | zleslie | there is also the wonderful unbound + nsd combo |
| 18:52.35 | newbie|2 | n |
| 18:52.37 | nikin | exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch gnome-session <<< this crap |
| 18:53.15 | iman | actually, I bought both debian VPS and domain, I can configure bind9 but I want to know more about dns and related security issues |
| 18:53.59 | jhutchins_lt | nikin: Whatever happened to startx? |
| 18:54.45 | icaunus | does anyone have a solution to the "animated gifs" bug in epiphany in squeeze? |
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| 18:54.56 | nikin | jhutchins_lt: as i told you this is vnc going on |
| 18:55.09 | icaunus | other then: use iceweasel i mean :) |
| 18:55.17 | zleslie | iman: security is going to be implementation specific for the most part. What you want to know more about is dnssec |
| 18:55.24 | zleslie | I would guess |
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| 18:57.18 | zleslie | How can I list all of the packges that were installed because of a recommends? |
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| 18:57.37 | iman | zleslie, figuring out profound concept and implementation |
| 18:58.02 | MoonTiger | ok *sigh* |
| 18:58.09 | MoonTiger | shuffles off to file a bug report |
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| 18:58.39 | icaunus | am i invisible? :P |
| 18:59.53 | jhutchins_lt | icaunus: I would guess that no one who is currently active knows anything about the subject. Have you read a specific bugreport? Any work-arounds should be reported there. |
| 18:59.58 | MoonTiger | looks through icanus |
| 19:00.10 | zleslie | iman: might start with wikipedia or something |
| 19:00.48 | icaunus | the workaround might be: downgrade webkit, but if i try that it wants to uninstall libgtk 1st, and dont want to do that :) |
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| 19:02.25 | hanny | hi, can someone give me a hint how to install debian besides on an existing operating system on my laptop within uefi only mode? |
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| 19:02.51 | FunKi | http://www.nimbleservers.com/?s=1TY8 <--- CS:GO BETA KEY COMPETION! SIGN UP ; ) |
| 19:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | !tell hanny about ig |
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| 19:05.03 | hanny | jhutchins_lt: thanks, but i'm fmilar with them, there is nothing about uefi or did i've missed it? |
| 19:05.13 | rly | Are there statistics on bugs fixed in Debian or activity diagrams, etc.? |
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| 19:05.59 | jfb86 | rly: debian.org |
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| 19:07.19 | jhutchins_lt | hanny: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple might help, newer macs use efi |
| 19:07.25 | babilen | hanny: You most likely want grub-efi for uefi -- I haven't played with that yet, so I can't really give you more information. |
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| 19:08.21 | hanny | oh hey, but many thanks to you guy, i'll check and come back later! |
| 19:08.23 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Does Debian's regular grub not handle efi? I had the grub from Fedora4 working with it in 2009. |
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| 19:09.09 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: nfc -- I've been planning to play with UEFI, but somehow there is always something that is more important. So I really don't know. |
| 19:09.20 | hanny | jhutchins_lt: no, otherwise i probaly wouldn't ask ;-) |
| 19:09.42 | jhutchins_lt | hanny: What kind of hardware? |
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| 19:09.59 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Judging by the package description for grub-efi-amd64 it looks as if you want that grub version if you plan to use efi |
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| 19:10.14 | hanny | ThinkPad X121e (3051-5YG) |
| 19:10.36 | jhutchins_lt | hanny: I'd still check out the Apple link above, it's similar hardware. |
| 19:10.50 | hanny | ok, thanks. i'll try now |
| 19:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | hanny: Probably the best doc so far for efi based hardware. |
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| 19:11.19 | jelly-home | hanny: that thing does not have BIOS boot support? |
| 19:11.33 | jhutchins_lt | There's some other beast that has been using efi for a while, but I don't think it's covered by a debian arch. |
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| 19:11.58 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: ia64 uses EFI |
| 19:12.17 | debnewb | hey i'd like to be able to restrict w and last to only root users on a squeeze machine, i know it's utmp, and lastlog, where are these files located and is 640 a good premission to change them to? |
| 19:12.20 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Very new ones, I'm talking about stuff that's been around as long as the Apple efi. |
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| 19:12.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: no, all itanium machines that I know of have EFI |
| 19:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: D'Oh, ia64. |
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| 19:14.26 | hanny | jelly-home: sure it has bios, but i want to get to know uefi ;-) |
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| 19:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | hanny: Great, you can write us some docs when you do. |
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| 19:15.25 | debnewb | anyone? |
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| 19:15.43 | debnewb | is there another channel elsewhere to get help on those topics? |
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| 19:15.55 | hanny | gladly, but you have to tell me how and correct my bad english :-) |
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| 19:17.20 | jelly-home | !ops doshi |
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| 19:18.07 | zleslie | Where do I research the aptitude option: Apt::AutoRemove::InstallRecommends ? |
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| 19:18.10 | nikin | ok it is enough... how can i get Policykit out of debian... and a nice gksudo for the administrative windows instead |
| 19:18.14 | nikin | ? |
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| 19:18.33 | arghx | debnewb: logs are all in /var/log, where else? |
| 19:18.54 | debnewb | would 640 be a good premission ? |
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| 19:21.40 | nikin | so lets see it nice and together.... gdm will not start unless a physical monitor is connected to the system. so i start a vncserver wich starts nice and fine... i even added the sescesarry lines to run gnome-session the way policykit requires it... but it still fails to prompt me any window that asks a password hereby totally blocking me off of the administrative tools in gnome3. |
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| 19:22.21 | nikin | or whatever version of gnome is it. |
| 19:22.52 | kdog | debnewb: couldn't you just remove the execute permission on w and last for the "others" with chmod? |
| 19:23.27 | debnewb | yeah i suppose so kdog, what would be a good syntax ? chmod 640 filename |
| 19:23.56 | debnewb | 770? |
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| 19:24.16 | nikin | the only other option would be to run an other dm, that is capable running without a physically plugged monitor, but that will f*ck Policy kit again. |
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| 19:25.07 | kdog | I'd just do chmod o-x /usr/bin/w but 770 would get you there |
| 19:25.15 | somiaj | nikin: why must it have a physical monitor? This seems like xorg won't auto detect the monintor and error out. So why not make a custom (fake) monintor edid binary file and fool xorg that you have one attaced to your graphics card? |
| 19:25.16 | jhutchins_lt | zleslie: Docs for the perl module? Have you looked at the aptitude manpage? |
| 19:25.37 | zleslie | jhutchins_lt: yes, it mentions some options thare are not documented |
| 19:26.05 | debnewb | o |
| 19:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | zleslie: I thought that recommends and suggests were fairly basic, and like I said my systems all skip them. |
| 19:27.03 | zleslie | jhutchins_lt: have you had issues in your environment with disabling those options? |
| 19:27.19 | zleslie | I am thinking of rolling this out to all our systems |
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| 19:27.44 | jesselang | There seems to be a problem with my printer driver. There's no margin at the top any longer. |
| 19:27.46 | zleslie | and since I've not used the options, I am unsture what will break, if anything |
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| 19:27.59 | jesselang | I'm using Wheezy. Anyone seen that issue? |
| 19:28.34 | nikin | somiaj: i did it.... i did it 3 different ways... it wont start with a fake monitor |
| 19:28.42 | jesselang | HP Laserjet P2035n. |
| 19:28.54 | dabukalam | Installed squeeze and used the installer to create RAID1 on two 500GB HDDs, and it doesn't boot. |
| 19:29.00 | nikin | gdm3 will not obey xorg.conf |
| 19:29.18 | dabukalam | Gives me a Loading..., then says root= is wrong in /proc/cmdline |
| 19:29.19 | valdyn | nikin: what? |
| 19:29.29 | dabukalam | and then drops to initramfs |
| 19:29.30 | nikin | dabukalam: did you put the grub on the disk that is trying to boot? |
| 19:29.30 | somiaj | nikin: sounds like another reason I'm glad I don't use gnome. I know I have to fake my edid on my monintor (Due to hdmi audio), so it was mearly a suggestion. |
| 19:29.41 | dabukalam | nikin, yeah, I tried booting both disks |
| 19:29.51 | dabukalam | nikin, only one loads grub |
| 19:29.56 | dabukalam | it's not a problem with that |
| 19:30.08 | dabukalam | I think the problem is that the uuid of the HDD is wrong in the boot args |
| 19:30.22 | philips | Does someone have a simple example of a multi-deb source package? |
| 19:30.22 | dabukalam | Tried installing twicer |
| 19:30.33 | dabukalam | s/r// |
| 19:30.42 | philips | I keep ending up with one package including all of the files and the other two including overlapping but correct list of files |
| 19:30.50 | nikin | somiaj: i know what you mean i am running fluxbox without a DM on my laptop. |
| 19:31.06 | kb3ien | well in the absense of the 6.0.2.1 CD image i'm netinstalling 6.0.3, so far so good. |
| 19:31.12 | somiaj | nikin: I did that for years until I found slim. |
| 19:31.26 | nikin | i need no DM... :D |
| 19:31.34 | jhutchins_lt | zleslie: I haven't changed anything I'm aware of for aptitude to skip suggests and recommends. |
| 19:31.42 | somiaj | my desktop doesn't have one, my laptop has a different role. :D |
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| 19:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | zleslie: Most of my systems are lenny, some upgraded from etch, but this fresh squeeze works the same way. |
| 19:32.55 | jhutchins_lt | jesselang: I know that cups is one of the systems undergoing significant updates in wheezy, it wouldn't surprise me. |
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| 19:33.58 | nikin | so question is, how do i throw policykit out? |
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| 19:35.01 | jesselang | jhutchins_lt, thanks. I'll have to get around to being useful and search for and perhaps file a bug. |
| 19:35.39 | nikin | dabukalam: root=/dev/md0 ro quiet splash < this is how we boot raid at our system |
| 19:37.13 | dabukalam | nikin, in initramfs there was no /dev/md0, but i'll try it one sec |
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| 19:37.51 | kb3ien | no debian 6.0.3 doesnt make the HDD bootbale either. |
| 19:37.59 | kb3ien | is there anyone with a 6.0.2.1 iso out there? |
| 19:39.02 | nikin | kb3ien: you can make it bootable with a livecd, if you have one handy |
| 19:39.46 | kb3ien | i can only netboot unless debian.org unbreaks the links to 6.0.2.1.isos |
| 19:39.59 | kb3ien | you think we can fix it from inside the netboot environment? |
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| 19:40.31 | dabukalam | nikin, no cigar |
| 19:40.57 | nikin | dabukalam: :( then no idea :S |
| 19:41.00 | p3rror | hello |
| 19:41.08 | nikin | kb3ien: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.2.1/ for 6.0.2 iso |
| 19:41.09 | p3rror | please where can i found xorg config file |
| 19:41.15 | p3rror | in wheezy |
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| 19:42.07 | kb3ien | THANKYOU looked at archive.debian.org didint know about that path. |
| 19:42.30 | nikin | you are wellcome |
| 19:42.36 | kb3ien | BEER for nikin if (s)he's even in NYC metro area. |
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| 19:45.54 | nikin | kb3ien: :D i am bit further up... in Hungary :P |
| 19:46.15 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... any alternative for wicd ? |
| 19:46.42 | cobra-the-joker | its not working for me anymore :) |
| 19:46.44 | cobra-the-joker | :( * |
| 19:47.00 | ner0x | Any way to mass rename folders changing space to underscope? |
| 19:47.03 | ner0x | underscore* |
| 19:47.44 | cobra-the-joker | ner0x , some scripting would be the best way |
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| 19:48.31 | nikin | ner0x: in console? |
| 19:48.50 | ner0x | nikin: Yes. |
| 19:48.57 | acemi | use rename |
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| 19:51.20 | nikin | i am off for a while as i have to repair my system to work atleast when a monitor is plugged :S |
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| 19:53.30 | ner0x | acemi: rename worked great, thank you. |
| 19:53.43 | acemi | np |
| 19:53.59 | ner0x | acemi: Can you use it with {one,two,three} I seem to be having no luck. |
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| 19:55.03 | acemi | what is {one,two,three} |
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| 19:55.55 | ner0x | bash for do each one of those. |
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| 19:56.08 | ner0x | rm {one,two,three}.txt will remove one.txt two.txt three.txt |
| 19:57.13 | acemi | i didn't try this |
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| 20:03.28 | urthmover | Does anyone here have experience installing squeeze on an apple xserve3.1? |
| 20:03.45 | urthmover | I'm soo close but struggling with the grub-efi part |
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| 20:07.25 | cantido | urthmover: it should be able to boot a normal MBR loader.. |
| 20:07.31 | cantido | i.e. grub-pc should work |
| 20:07.41 | cantido | never managed to get grub-efi running |
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| 20:08.38 | urthmover | cantido: hmm ok I'll try to do that instead....do you have a link to a doc that you think is most appropriate for me if I'm going to put grub-pc on this xserve? |
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| 20:09.22 | cantido | urthmover: not sure about the xserve firmware eaxactly, but newer (like 2006+ IIRC) macs can boot a MBR |
| 20:10.06 | taher | joker |
| 20:10.09 | taher | respond |
| 20:10.10 | taher | :d |
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| 20:10.26 | cobra-the-joker | taher ... dy mesh kanat le3b ... hanetshetem :D |
| 20:10.34 | urthmover | cantido: ok I'm strating some goolging about booting mbr on this xserve |
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| 20:10.55 | cantido | urthmover: look at the refit page too |
| 20:11.09 | urthmover | cantido: ok I'll checkthat right now as well |
| 20:11.14 | urthmover | cantido: thx |
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| 20:15.14 | tanubis | I'm getting this error; anyone know how to fix? : The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpam0g-dev : Depends: libpam0g (= 1.1.3-2ubuntu1) but 1.1.3-2ubuntu2.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages |
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| 20:17.02 | dondelelcaro | tanubis: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 20:30.57 | kristian-aalborg | something not quite right with my dmesg, anyone care to have a look? http://pastebin.com/NNmpq5hr |
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| 20:31.38 | kristian-aalborg | or, to be more specific... my wireless is flaky |
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| 20:35.01 | krish | hi, im running apt-get install zabbix-server-mysql and as part of installation it runs zabbix-server-mysql --configure |
| 20:35.01 | krish | i dont want to run configure |
| 20:35.02 | krish | is there a way to disable that |
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| 20:36.41 | GJdan | odd :( I'm following some instructions to configure exim4, and it says to run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config but it seems I have no dpkg-reconfigure command? |
| 20:37.46 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; define 'flaky' please? |
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| 20:39.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | GJdan: check your path |
| 20:40.47 | kingsley | GJdan: dpkg-reconfigure is provided by the debconf package as /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure. Does "dpkg -l debconf" say it's installed? |
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| 20:43.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | debconf is priority: required |
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| 20:43.16 | showy | is there an advantage using hp or ibm debian wise ? |
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| 20:44.14 | kristian-aalborg | hi boudiccas |
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| 20:44.34 | kingsley | showy: Not that I know of. |
| 20:44.44 | kristian-aalborg | well, I have had all kinds of trouble... now it seems to work, but I'm not sure it will stay that way |
| 20:44.49 | kingsley | showy: I'd be surprised if there's a big difference. |
| 20:44.56 | kristian-aalborg | also, I can't get apm working |
| 20:45.04 | kingsley | showy: Debian runs on many architectures. |
| 20:45.40 | jordanm | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html |
| 20:45.44 | showy | i was looking for something that tips the scales up for hp |
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| 20:46.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | hp pay bdale... is that a good enough tip? ;) |
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| 20:47.23 | GJdan | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, debconf says it's installed |
| 20:47.24 | showy | lol, not for my purposes :P |
| 20:47.57 | GJdan | ah wrong person lawl |
| 20:47.58 | junix659 | I seem to be having some trouble with a particular update - i'm on Debian 6.0.2.1 - this has been lingering for some time, prelude-lml will not install, even if i force it |
| 20:48.22 | GJdan | kingsley: debconf is installed and /usr/sbin/dpkf-reconfigure exists so I suppose it's my path |
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| 20:48.40 | GJdan | which I find odd isn't already setup properly |
| 20:48.45 | showy | maybe something related to san storage, lto compatibility ? |
| 20:49.04 | jordanm | junix659: paste your update command and the output |
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| 20:49.32 | threadlock | Kamping_Kaiser: orly? can't bdale do something about the crappy debian packages hp release? |
| 20:49.39 | threadlock | then* |
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| 20:50.09 | jordanm | threadlock: which crappy packages? |
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| 20:50.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | junix659: you need to explain what the problem is ... |
| 20:51.22 | threadlock | jordanm: dunno, just know that we usually have to patch them to get them to work properly.. the health monitor packages etc.. also, there aren't any for squeeze yet (that i know of) |
| 20:51.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | threadlock: iirc he is cheif open source evangelist (or some such name), so i suspect he spends more time talking with phbs and going to confs at work then hacking :) |
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| 20:52.26 | junix659 | jordanm & Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/mXVsQfHc |
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| 20:53.17 | jordanm | junix659: does /var/log/daemon.log have any info about the failed start? |
| 20:53.39 | threadlock | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, guess so.. just had to rant a bit nevertheless =] |
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| 20:54.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | threadlock: i know what you meanb :) |
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| 20:55.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | junix659: it may be a packaging bug. odd that there are no existing rpeorts of it though |
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| 20:56.17 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: its failing due to a service start failure. could easily be his configuration |
| 20:56.18 | junix659 | weird |
| 20:56.31 | jordanm | I am not really familar with the service though |
| 20:56.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: fails for me to when i install it |
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| 20:56.52 | junix659 | i don't have prelude configured..... |
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| 20:58.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | junix659: its a bug, please report it. |
| 20:58.02 | StephenS | pulseaudio -D |
| 20:58.02 | StephenS | E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
| 20:58.04 | StephenS | Why ? |
| 20:58.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | i note the init script tries to trap 1, doesn't seem to do the job though *g* |
| 20:58.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | very odd init script. not seen anything like it packaged before |
| 20:58.50 | jordanm | Profile 'prelude-lml' does not exist. In order to create it, please run: |
| 20:58.51 | jordanm | prelude-admin register "prelude-lml" "idmef:w" <manager address> --uid 0 --gid 0. |
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| 20:58.58 | jordanm | that is why it is failing |
| 20:58.59 | StephenS | ?/ |
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| 21:01.21 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: if it is resolved after running that command, then I would def call it a bug. the maintainer script should not call invoke-rc.d service start, and should be documented in the debian readme if that should be ran by the administrator prior to starting |
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| 21:02.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: agreed. by the look of it the pakage was a sponsored upload, so i'm surprised that problem got through |
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| 21:02.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm also surprised the init script is custom, but thats by the by |
| 21:02.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: if you file a bug, please put in your suggestions (and feel free to ntoe that it fails to install correctly as well as upgrade) |
| 21:02.59 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: after running that command and generating a key, it got a connection and refused. the init script no longer returns non-zero but the service still fails to start |
| 21:03.22 | fckgw | hmm is it possible to create dirnames with chars like a round bracket in it? |
| 21:03.27 | fckgw | i always get |
| 21:03.27 | fckgw | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 21:03.29 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: I wouldn't have time to dig in and file until this weekend |
| 21:03.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: at that stage it sounds like a configuration rather then packaging issue though |
| 21:03.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | fckgw: you need to escape them with \ |
| 21:03.48 | fckgw | thx |
| 21:04.16 | jordanm | or quote the name |
| 21:04.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: um, ok. i'd have thought you 'just' include the information you've already provided here in the bug and call it done |
| 21:04.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | thts what i'd do anyway |
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| 21:05.16 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: I like to include patches with my reports when I can. This is an issue I am betting I will be able to resolve with time |
| 21:05.54 | karlpinc | Reportbug just told me it's unable to connect to the debian BTS, but I can get to bugs.debian.org with http. Should I continue with the wnpp bug report? |
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| 21:06.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | jordanm: fair enough :) |
| 21:06.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: can you reach it on any smtp ports? |
| 21:07.25 | junix659 | i unfortunately won't have time to file a bug report.... |
| 21:07.37 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: Probably, eventually anyway. (Or I'll get a bounce.) It's always worked before. |
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| 21:08.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: is it trying to do the wnpp bugs check? in that case estend the timeout= value |
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| 21:08.50 | swagglin | hi |
| 21:08.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | or skip checking, if you've manually done it |
| 21:09.12 | swagglin | hi |
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| 21:11.16 | guy__ | hi,i've installed nvidia-current driver but when i run nvidia-settings i get "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.moreover when i run sudo nvidia-xconfig it says command not found |
| 21:11.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | guy__: its in roots path |
| 21:12.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | has noticed a lot of path questions lately |
| 21:12.43 | jordanm | Kamping_Kaiser: actually, I went ahead and sent it so I don't forget about it |
| 21:13.12 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah. I think that's what it's doing. |
| 21:13.14 | jordanm | nvidia-xconfig is also in its own package, and needs to be installed in addition to the driver |
| 21:13.15 | guy__ | Kamping_Kaiser, sorry but i don't know what a roots path is? do you mean i should run it as su |
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| 21:13.30 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: What does the bugs check do? |
| 21:13.30 | jordanm | guy__: yes, you must be root |
| 21:13.57 | jordanm | karlpinc: it has you look at the existing reports and asks you to confirm that you are not filing a duplicate |
| 21:14.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: pulls in all existing bugs so you can look in the list to make sure you aren't duplicating with your report |
| 21:14.09 | guy__ | jordanm, tried that too..it also says the same thing |
| 21:14.22 | jordanm | guy__: apt-get install nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:14.34 | guy__ | jordanm, ok |
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| 21:15.45 | guy__ | jordanm, E: Unable to locate package nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:16.03 | mrbean | I still have /etc/apache in debian, though I'm using apache2, didnt that dir get automagically deleted when I upgraded? |
| 21:16.12 | mrbean | Can I delete it amnually? |
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| 21:16.46 | jordanm | ,info nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:16.47 | judd | Package nvidia-xconfig (contrib/x11, extra) in squeeze/i386: X configuration tool for non-free NVIDIA drivers. Version: 195.36.31-1; Size: 70.0k; Installed: 216k; Homepage: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nvidia-settings/ |
| 21:16.54 | guy__ | jordanm, one more thing there is no xorg.conf or xorg.conf.nvidia file in /etc/X11 |
| 21:17.09 | lotus-blade | I want to do a fresh install of testing. where is there an image for it or can I just load debian installer from debian? |
| 21:17.12 | jordanm | guy__: its not needed anymore unless you use proprietary drivers |
| 21:17.24 | jordanm | !tell lotus-blade about debootstrap |
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| 21:19.33 | kb3ien | the problem is evidently not the CDROM, so much as this chassis. I'll compare it to the other v100s later... the issue was that 6.0.3 installed to 'disk0' not 'disk' as referenced in the devalias table. Thanks to those who helped all the same! |
| 21:22.42 | guy__ | jordanm, nvidia-xconfig gives command not found |
| 21:23.13 | guy__ | jordanm, i also apt-get install nvidia-xconfig but no good |
| 21:23.30 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks. |
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| 21:24.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: np |
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| 21:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 21:25.47 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:30.34 | teresina | hello! I have installed debian in my second partition but grub is not installed, how can I reinstall grub? |
| 21:30.53 | kb3ien | question. i want to duplicate the install to another disk, dd isn't a great choice as the disks arent the same, how to i quickly install silo to the second drive? |
| 21:31.22 | karlpinc | !tell kb3ien about aptitude clone |
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| 21:32.21 | karlpinc | kb3ien: It all depends on what you want. You probably want it to be a different system with different keys etc., right? If so you aptitude clone and copy the config files you changed. |
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| 21:32.54 | karlpinc | kb3ien: You can use debsums -e to find which config files you changed. |
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| 21:33.29 | kb3ien | i want to avoid a re-install, just copy the system to sdb. |
| 21:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | kb3ien: rsync |
| 21:33.42 | kb3ien | i changed NOTHING and the sshkeys can be the same. |
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| 21:34.13 | kb3ien | cp -pr should do it, but will it make a bootable volume. or will i have to install something to the disk at block0? |
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| 21:35.06 | milosn | anyone having problems with postgres and openssl in squeeze? |
| 21:35.22 | karlpinc | kb3ien: Or scp from a live cd. You'll have to run grub-install (or some other grub install tool.) |
| 21:35.35 | milosn | aptitude wants to remove postgres because of unmet dependency on openssl |
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| 21:35.43 | milosn | anyone seing this? |
| 21:35.45 | karlpinc | milosn: It seems to only affect people running squeeze/updates. |
| 21:35.59 | mrbean | milosn I had a problem with dovecot and ssl. |
| 21:36.04 | karlpinc | milosn: You can checks the bts, or file a bug if there's not one. |
| 21:37.37 | kb3ien | i'll look for apropos to silo once the system boots. |
| 21:37.39 | karlpinc | milosn: I imagine it'll get fixed pretty quickly-ish if someone files a bug report. Then you can wait to update. Meanwhile update only from security.debian.org. |
| 21:38.09 | karlpinc | kb3ien: Ah, right. |
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| 21:49.43 | jmgresham | hi |
| 21:49.49 | jmgresham | loves debian |
| 21:50.20 | jmgresham | is running BitchX irc client :) |
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| 21:52.48 | jerware | looking for a commandline smtp client that supports STARTTLS to send an email from a script. |
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| 21:53.45 | Lars_G | ould you please guide me to a guide on generating a dput compatible change file? |
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| 21:54.51 | mrbean | jerware smtp-cli |
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| 21:55.29 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: dpkg-genchanges does that for you. |
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| 21:55.34 | Jayro | hello, i have a custom icon set, which works great in the menu. However i want gnome-panel to display the new icons in the tasklist and notification area aswell instead of the real applications icon, does anyone know how i would do this? |
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| 21:55.46 | Lars_G | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 21:56.26 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: assuming you're using dpkg-buildpackage, that calls dpkg-genchanges appropriately |
| 21:56.35 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: Is there a style guide for writing debian/changelog ? |
| 21:57.01 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: No, right now this is a very basic 0.1 package I still use dpkg-deb |
| 21:57.33 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: why? |
| 21:58.32 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro: I am not sure :P I think it's time to move thowards dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 21:59.42 | coppermine | ad_oss.c(105): Failed to open audio device(/dev/dsp): No such device or address |
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| 21:59.48 | coppermine | but /dev/dsp exists, im using alsa |
| 22:00.00 | coppermine | /dev/dsp -> dsp0 |
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| 22:10.29 | guy__ | hi,my xorg.conf is missing from /etc/x11 . what should i do? |
| 22:11.04 | babilen | guy__: Accept it ;) |
| 22:11.08 | kb3ien | no clear plan on how to install silo to block0 |
| 22:11.11 | babilen | !tell guy__ -about empty xorg.conf |
| 22:11.16 | babilen | !tell guy__ -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 22:18.50 | jhutchins_lt | I used to use a program called automount to manage my samba shares before it became easier to mount them in fstab at boot. It had a table of resources with passwords and such and would mount a resource when you browsed to it or changed directory or something, then un-mount it after a time limit. |
| 22:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | Is that functionality available in some other package these days? |
| 22:19.41 | Lars_G | Is there no dh program that would create a skeleton package directory and fileset? |
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| 22:21.25 | babilen | Lars_G: You are looking for dh_make -- Also note that packaging help is typically provided in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:22.19 | babilen | !tell Lars_G -about nmg |
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| 22:23.09 | dazz | does anybody know a decent free webhosting cpanel for debian? |
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| 22:23.41 | jhutchins_lt | !free whcp |
| 22:23.42 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 22:24.12 | Lars_G | babilen: Thanks |
| 22:24.26 | dazz | yeah gnupanel won't install correctly for me |
| 22:24.47 | dazz | spent hours on it - do you have any recommendations? |
| 22:24.50 | wart___ | ok, you can point me to the networking howto, but here's where i am at: I edited /etc/network/interfaces and added auto tiwlan0\niface tiwlan0 inet dhcp\nwpa-ssid myap\nwpa-psk "mypasswordphrase"\n |
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| 22:25.09 | wart___ | i then did an ifup tiwlan0 and it does stuff in /var/log/messages and dmesg; and on screen it says: |
| 22:25.13 | he2 | is there a way to diable bluetooth at start up? |
| 22:25.25 | wart___ | DHP CLIENT blah blah DHCPDISCOVER on tiwlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interrval 8 |
| 22:25.36 | wart___ | and then 10 19 etc etc and it never discovers anything and never connects. |
| 22:26.59 | eurisko | hi everyone i instwlled debian on my laptop now i am booting to grub rescue, i fe checked with the Command set the boot partition he is using. can someone provide me a link with grub rescue command lists? tks |
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| 22:40.12 | somiaj | eurisko: what do you mean grub resuce, are you using the rescue debian install disc or are you booting up into the (recovery mode) option added to debian kernels in the grub menu? |
| 22:40.36 | somiaj | eurisko: if your using the rescue (install cd), hit f1-f6 or what ever it says on the screen, it should give help on the various features/options you can use) |
| 22:40.43 | wart___ | ok its ipv6 related according to wpa_cli stat |
| 22:41.11 | wart___ | so to disable ipv6 i need that kernel commandline option right? do i need to fiddle with /etc/hosts too? |
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| 22:41.49 | somiaj | you shouldn't have to remove the ipv6 lines in /etc/hosts. Just disable the ipv6 module, you can probabaly just blacklist it |
| 22:42.02 | eurisko | i mean that grub is broken i can even insmod linux.mod |
| 22:42.56 | eurisko | it says grub xputs not found but i think i found something |
| 22:43.05 | somiaj | eurisko: so you'll want to boot up off a recovery cd. Chroot into your root partition (after you mount the /boot if needed), and reinstall grub in the mbr, grub-install will work in most cases, though if its not installing it ot the right disc you may have to reconfigure things. |
| 22:43.08 | zykotick9 | he2, this isn't at bootup, but if you're using Gnome -> System / Preferences / Startup Applications and you can uncheck Bluetooth Manager |
| 22:44.59 | eurisko | well i have a problem i dont have a cd nor other computer to make a usb boot disk :( |
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| 22:45.54 | eurisko | i mean the laptop doesn have dvd readerrk |
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| 22:47.22 | somiaj | eurisko: well if grub is broken and not able to boot, you need a rescue cd/usb of some sort. :/ |
| 22:48.15 | eurisko | is there any app for android to make usb boot disks? :) |
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| 22:51.07 | I_Died_Once | !dpkg flicker |
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| 22:51.28 | I_Died_Once | how do i enable the CTRL + ALT + Backspace ??? |
| 22:51.54 | dondelelcaro | I_Died_Once: it's enabled by default. see /etc/inittab |
| 22:52.23 | themill | dpkg: tell I_Died_Once about dontzap |
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| 22:54.00 | I_Died_Once | excellent, thanks |
| 22:54.09 | I_Died_Once | got a second, and more pressing question |
| 22:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | Wonder hw eurisko installed debian if he has no bootable media. |
| 22:54.30 | I_Died_Once | i had an old, clunker CRT monitor for one of my computers, running debian squeeze |
| 22:55.09 | I_Died_Once | i just got a new(ish) monitor, flat screen and under windows is capable of displaying many, many displays... I can not get this thing to go bigger than 640 by 400 |
| 22:55.46 | I_Died_Once | or some small resolution |
| 22:55.53 | I_Died_Once | been editing xorg to no avail |
| 22:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, autofs docs seem to be ca kernel 2.1. |
| 22:56.05 | I_Died_Once | the kde display settings arent helping |
| 22:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | Barely updated from 2.0 |
| 22:56.48 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once: Do you have an xorg.conf? (I'll assume you're on squeeze) |
| 22:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I see you are. |
| 22:57.35 | I_Died_Once | yeah i do |
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| 22:57.43 | I_Died_Once | its not taking what i put in it |
| 22:57.55 | I_Died_Once | its sticking on the 640 resolution |
| 22:58.00 | I_Died_Once | no matter what |
| 22:58.08 | architek | Ctrl alt del is in inittab, not ctrl alt backspace |
| 22:58.42 | I_Died_Once | the ctrl alt <== was a minor queston |
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| 22:59.57 | architek | setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 23:01.36 | aguitel | how to know nvidia driver i am using ? |
| 23:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once: Are you using proprietary drivers? If not, you can try moving/renaming it and let it autodetect. |
| 23:02.52 | I_Died_Once | i'm using an nvidia card and driver |
| 23:02.53 | zykotick9 | aguitel, if you have nvidia-settings installed, opening it will tell you |
| 23:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once: You can read through the Xorg.0.log and see what it's doing, though it's dense going. |
| 23:03.09 | aguitel | zykotick9, no |
| 23:03.26 | abrotman | no you don't have it, no it doens't tell you ? |
| 23:03.34 | jhutchins_lt | architek: He's after the xorg zap. |
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| 23:03.50 | I_Died_Once | i'm past the zap |
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| 23:04.07 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel: look at the Xorg.0.log |
| 23:04.07 | architek | jhutchins_lt: yes I know, the command I gave brings it back for the time X is running |
| 23:04.49 | I_Died_Once | gonna pastebin the xorg log if thats cool |
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| 23:05.40 | aguitel | jhutchins, thanks |
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| 23:06.37 | GTRsdk | How different is Debian from Ubuntu? |
| 23:06.59 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/GubgaiG1 |
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| 23:07.32 | themill | dpkg: tell GTRsdk about why debian |
| 23:07.46 | abrotman | GTRsdk: that's a vague question |
| 23:07.57 | I_Died_Once | How do i move or rename a proprietary driver? |
| 23:08.47 | I_Died_Once | looking through, i see... |
| 23:08.59 | I_Died_Once | Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI |
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| 23:09.15 | abrotman | how is that related to the driver question ? |
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| 23:09.40 | lenswipe | uys |
| 23:09.44 | lenswipe | heu guys* |
| 23:09.46 | lenswipe | hey guys** |
| 23:09.56 | lenswipe | im having an issue with my debian install |
| 23:09.58 | I_Died_Once | i got a new monitor and i cant get it to set X right |
| 23:10.01 | lenswipe | i cant get it to recognise my mic |
| 23:10.14 | lenswipe | when i plug my mic in and try to conference with someone they just hear static |
| 23:10.20 | lenswipe | i can hear them, but they cant hear me |
| 23:10.27 | lenswipe | its just stopped working for some reaso |
| 23:10.28 | lenswipe | reason* |
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| 23:11.37 | I_Died_Once | make sure the plug is conencted correctly, adjust the various volume levels, lenswipe |
| 23:11.51 | I_Died_Once | make sure you have the correct sound card driver installed |
| 23:12.04 | I_Died_Once | generic answers, i know |
| 23:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: This problem is with your conferencing software. What are yo using? |
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| 23:14.14 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, google plus |
| 23:14.32 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, i get the option to choose a mic and if i select my mic they just hear static |
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| 23:14.38 | lenswipe | but its the same if i do a recording with audacity |
| 23:14.44 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once: That does sound strange. I would 1) Move the xorg.conf, 2) power everything off, 3) check all the connections, 4) power on monitor, 5) Restart. |
| 23:15.03 | lenswipe | I_Died_Once, it worked like 2 days ago |
| 23:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: There is a microphone setup utility there somewhere, under preferences I think. |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | lenswipe: last i knew, the mic didn't work at all in linux .. you probably should google that |
| 23:15.22 | lenswipe | abrotman, it worked like 2 days ago |
| 23:15.27 | abrotman | lenswipe: then fix what you broke |
| 23:15.53 | lenswipe | abrotman, <sarcasm> naw i think ill just leave it, its more fun to have a broken system </sarcasn< |
| 23:15.56 | lenswipe | sarcasm* |
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| 23:16.09 | lenswipe | abrotman, if i could just "fix what i broke" dont you think i wouldve done that by now? |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | not sure |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | hard to tell with you sometimes |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | lenswipe: does your mic work in other apps? |
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| 23:17.37 | lenswipe | abrotman, im just trying it with skype |
| 23:17.44 | lenswipe | ....no it doesnt work in skype |
| 23:18.07 | bhundven | so, skype, google+, and audacity are what you've tried the mic with? |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | don't give a crap about skype .. use something sane |
| 23:18.21 | lenswipe | bhundven, yep |
| 23:18.21 | I_Died_Once | ok, moved the xorg.conf and powering down |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | lenswipe: checked alsamixer? |
| 23:19.09 | I_Died_Once | she's powering up |
| 23:19.17 | I_Died_Once | all looks good with the connections |
| 23:19.20 | I_Died_Once | ;) |
| 23:19.40 | lenswipe | abrotman, yep everything is on full in alsamixer |
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| 23:20.23 | abrotman | lenswipe: so audacity won't record sound? |
| 23:21.07 | lenswipe | abrotman, oh no, it records sound |
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| 23:21.10 | lenswipe | it records static |
| 23:21.27 | GTRsdk | Should I get the business card ISO or netinstall? |
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| 23:21.33 | abrotman | GTRsdk: netinst |
| 23:21.34 | wart___ | what's the appropriate way to add / remove services in the rc*.d ? just remove the symlinks? |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | wart___: rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 23:21.57 | wart___ | thanks |
| 23:21.59 | I_Died_Once | almost there, its giving me a 800 by 600 resolution now |
| 23:22.02 | abrotman | lenswipe: sure the mic works? |
| 23:22.06 | GTRsdk | abrotman: is there a high speed server for the wheezy netinst? |
| 23:22.11 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:22.17 | abrotman | GTRsdk: why are you using wheezy? |
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| 23:22.22 | abrotman | lenswipe: not really whta i asked .. |
| 23:22.29 | themill | wart___: rename the symlinks from S to K |
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| 23:22.46 | wart___ | that makes sense too |
| 23:22.55 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 23:23.02 | wart___ | remind me again how i determine what RUNLEVEL i'm in? i thought $RUNLEVEL would be set. |
| 23:23.03 | lenswipe | abrotman, ill try it with another computer |
| 23:23.03 | themill | wart___: if you just delete them, they'll come back next time you upgrade the package |
| 23:23.10 | wart___ | themill: ah |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | wart___: you're in 2 most likely |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | lenswipe: thanks :) |
| 23:23.21 | themill | wart___: "runlevel" |
| 23:23.33 | wart___ | ah |
| 23:23.38 | lenswipe | abrotman, just FYI http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18851651/sound.wav thats what i record with audacity and thats what people hear from me on a conference call |
| 23:23.52 | abrotman | lenswipe: if it's static .. i know what it sounds like :) |
| 23:23.53 | GTRsdk | abrotman: I think it has newer software than squeeze |
| 23:23.56 | I_Died_Once | what would be the next reccomended step to gaining a better resultion since removing xorg.conf got me here? |
| 23:24.02 | abrotman | GTRsdk: it also has more broken software |
| 23:24.20 | I_Died_Once | the kde screen resolution applet wont let me get it igger |
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| 23:25.58 | bhundven | GTRsdk: wheezy/sid is not for the faint of heart. But if you have problems, read a lot and get help in #debian-next . If you want something that is reliable use squeeze. |
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| 23:28.09 | qmr | what's a small, fast, pop email client that will go bloop! when I have a new message? |
| 23:28.10 | abrotman | why do people keep sending people to -next .. wtf |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | qmr: GUI ? |
| 23:28.32 | qmr | abrotman: probably, but I'm not too picky |
| 23:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once: See if you can get the horiz/vert sync rate from the Xorg log, then use that to create a monitor definition. You might want to use xvidtune to get possible modelines. You may be using the vesa driver now. |
| 23:28.43 | bhundven | abrotman: thats what I was told. |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | qmr: lots of things go beep |
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| 23:28.48 | abrotman | bhundven: wrongly |
| 23:28.56 | bhundven | ok. |
| 23:29.01 | bhundven | stands corrected |
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| 23:29.20 | lenswipe | abrotman, yeah i tested the mic |
| 23:29.21 | lenswipe | its fucked |
| 23:29.25 | lenswipe | thanks for the help :) |
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| 23:29.45 | I_Died_Once | jhutchins_lt should i post my xorg log in pastebin? |
| 23:29.58 | qmr | ok, so... sylpheed it is! |
| 23:30.02 | abrotman | wtf .. and he quits! |
| 23:30.18 | abrotman | qmr: i kind of like balsa .. but if you're not doing gnome-ish stuff .. probably not for you |
| 23:31.16 | bhundven | abrotman: I remember now. I was looking at the topic: wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 23:31.30 | bhundven | but I should have said the server too |
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| 23:32.33 | abrotman | bhundven: the point is that we still support testing/unstable here .. that channel is supposed to specialize in testing/unstabl |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | unstable |
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| 23:33.02 | abrotman | it's just like PPC or Arm .. it's supported here, but other channels specialize in them |
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| 23:33.10 | bhundven | right |
| 23:33.15 | bhundven | gotcha |
| 23:34.22 | I_Died_Once | jhutchins_lt here is my log http://pastebin.com/C0epwHav |
| 23:34.22 | I_Died_Once | i have the xvidtune program open but i'm not sure what i'l looking for |
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| 23:35.20 | useless-eater | hi guys, I am a tor noob, just aptituded it. anyone have a updated howto for squeeze? |
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| 23:35.37 | useless-eater | sorry wheezy |
| 23:35.44 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 23:35.53 | useless-eater | make it work:) |
| 23:36.04 | useless-eater | @browser |
| 23:36.09 | useless-eater | and irc |
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| 23:36.39 | dkh | useless-eater: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian |
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| 23:37.09 | useless-eater | ok, thanks |
| 23:37.26 | babilen | useless-eater: /usr/share/doc/tor/README.* doesn't cut it? You probably want to setup up it with polipo or privoxy ... torbutton for iceweasel might come in handy too. |
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| 23:42.24 | acu | howto restart network |
| 23:42.33 | acu | not /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:42.56 | wart___ | ok, this is silly; debian is strict about #!/bin/sh vs. #/bin/bash, which probably is a good thing; but is there a way to make it less strict to avoid search and replacing all the #!/bin/sh's in my ~/bin directory :p |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | acu: ifdown/ifup |
| 23:43.15 | wart___ | i use '[[' a lot which is a bashism :p |
| 23:43.26 | useless-eater | thanks, polipo still needed? |
| 23:43.31 | themill | acu: once you've worked out what you actually mean by "restart networking" then you'll have the answer. |
| 23:43.35 | abrotman | wart___: you can just make /bin/sh point at bash instead ? |
| 23:43.38 | themill | wart___: sed -i ... |
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| 23:44.22 | babilen | wart___: Just fix your scripts, they are buggy and the sooner you do it the better. |
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| 23:44.37 | wart___ | themill: well the sed -i is a bit tricky i think |
| 23:44.39 | wart___ | maybe not |
| 23:44.41 | wart___ | let me just try that |
| 23:45.05 | themill | wart___: you could even use checkbashisms in a loop to only sed the shebangs on the ones that need it... |
| 23:45.23 | wart___ | themill: oh that's neat |
| 23:45.47 | wart___ | themill: what's the sed command? sed -i ',#!/bin/sh,#!/bin/bash,g' *.sh fails. |
| 23:46.00 | wart___ | i always forget which to escape |
| 23:47.34 | rawsted | why does my wireless interface only work if the wired interface is up/active? interfaces+routes: http://pastebin.com/PBHEZ3TH |
| 23:48.14 | abrotman | god pastebin.com sucks |
| 23:48.24 | rawsted | abrotman: what shall i use instead? |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | rawsted: you can't have two gateways at the same time |
| 23:48.36 | rawsted | abrotman: those are the autoconfigured routes |
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| 23:48.54 | abrotman | and i seriously doubt you want to bring them both up at the same time .. look at allow-hotplug |
| 23:49.28 | rawsted | abrotman: this particular device has no vga, i need to be careful about not locking myself out |
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| 23:50.42 | themill | wart___: you're missing the s in s,,, |
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| 23:53.42 | acu | howto activate an eth0 except eth0 |
| 23:54.04 | acu | except ifdown eth0 |
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