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| 00:01.55 | bhundven | civillian: it's not that simple (assuming you are doing a system memory performance test, and not applications memory performance test). the system is optimized to use caching, so usually you want to test the worst case senerio where cache is full. The test I use is: http://pastebin.com/nXsw8z9j |
| 00:02.34 | civillian | bhundven: thanks! |
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| 00:04.41 | rawsted | abrotman: so i would remove eth0 from auto and add 'allow-hotplug eth0' ? would that affect how debian is autoconfiguring routes? |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | what?1 |
| 00:05.30 | abrotman | rawsted: it would probably help |
| 00:05.54 | itsnotabigtruck | hey, has anyone here tried selinux on debian before? if so, what speed bumps did you run in to? i'm having a rather hard time finding much info tailored to debian (what little info exists is mostly about rh/fedora because they come with it out of the box) |
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| 00:08.03 | rawsted | abrotman: why is doing it this way preferable to using hotplugd? |
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| 00:12.37 | abrotman | rawsted: it won't try to bring up the wired network unless there's a link |
| 00:13.51 | civillian | bhundven: what could be considered a long time for mlock() to obtain a lock over say 2G of memory? |
| 00:14.00 | rawsted | abrotman: gotcha well, i rebooted sans wired link and could not SSH/ping...but i see the wireless association to my router. as soon as i plug eth0 in and hit SSH on the wlan0 IP...works |
| 00:14.07 | rawsted | so the routing table is the same |
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| 00:14.30 | civillian | that one is for anyone too really |
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| 00:15.38 | nikihr | Hi everybody i am running wmii and i just plugged in my hdmi cable to the tv, how do i activate it? i tried grandr but i cant find it in there.. last time i rebooted the computers and it worked automaticly but that seems unneccasary |
| 00:15.55 | rawsted | abrotman: i've tried using ifup/down scripts to remove the eth0 gateway but i just wound up locking myself out |
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| 00:16.18 | abrotman | rawsted: yeah, i bet |
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| 00:16.37 | rawsted | abrotman: any other suggestions? |
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| 00:17.13 | coppermine | if i type arecord -l it shows card 1, a program im using looks for card 0, can i change it to card 0? |
| 00:17.45 | JasonWoof | I can't figure out how to get direct rendering enabled. I followed http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo I've got an ATI 5450 card, which is supported (it's listed in /var/log/X*.0.log as supported by the driver) |
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| 00:18.22 | JasonWoof | the xorg log shows no errors or warnings, except "RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled" |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | rawsted: if you boot up with only your wireless set to 'auto' .. does it work ? |
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| 00:18.56 | JasonWoof | I've got the radeon kernel module activated |
| 00:19.28 | rawsted | abrotman: so right now, lo0 and wlan0 are set to auto and eth0 is allow-hotplug, you're saying to remove everything except auto wlan0? |
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| 00:19.47 | JasonWoof | I'm running debian unstable. I've looked at the deb src package for mesa, and it looks like it's set to enable DRI for radeon |
| 00:20.49 | JasonWoof | I have this file: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so |
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| 00:22.14 | itsnotabigtruck | JasonWoof: that is very weird, i was under the impression it's supposed to "just work" |
| 00:22.18 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know about selinux? |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | rawsted: or at least comment out the gateway line for eth0 |
| 00:23.13 | rawsted | interesting, alright |
| 00:23.34 | rawsted | i'll try it |
| 00:23.37 | JasonWoof | itsnotabigtruck: only thing I can think of that might be blocking in is that I once had fglrx installed. |
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| 00:24.20 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: selinux policies in debian are not very well maintained. policy rules for many common applications, including the default MTA exim, were missing from the default policy last time I checked |
| 00:24.40 | JasonWoof | oh crap, I hadn't purged the config files from fglrx-driver. I've gotta at least try restarting X now |
| 00:24.44 | JasonWoof | brb |
| 00:24.48 | itsnotabigtruck | jordanm: that's kinda what i'm worried about |
| 00:24.53 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: selinux is much better maintained in fedora/RHEL |
| 00:24.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i know i'll have to write some policy, i can deal with that |
| 00:25.15 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: you'll have to write a *lot* of policy |
| 00:25.18 | itsnotabigtruck | the important thing is that it not obliterate the system |
| 00:25.23 | pipeline | debian basically doesn't come with any selinux policy |
| 00:25.30 | pipeline | I mean there is the default policy from the selinux project |
| 00:25.33 | pipeline | and that's *it* |
| 00:25.43 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't that policy pretty comprehensive for the core stuff? |
| 00:25.50 | pipeline | I strongly suggest you grab SRPMs from fedora/rhel in order to adopt their policy |
| 00:25.55 | jordanm | pipeline: there are debian specifics in there. I recall policies for postfix |
| 00:25.55 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: not at all |
| 00:26.08 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: it basically covers console and ssh login... |
| 00:26.21 | pipeline | i.e. the default policy has enough shit in it so that you don't lock yourself out |
| 00:26.21 | itsnotabigtruck | how about apt |
| 00:26.24 | pipeline | most daemons will fail |
| 00:26.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and the default cron jobs |
| 00:26.46 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: apt would run inside your console/ssh session unconstrained context silly :) |
| 00:26.50 | pipeline | default cron jobs, dunno |
| 00:27.15 | itsnotabigtruck | true, though i intend to constrain shell logins once i have things starting to be sorted out :p |
| 00:27.22 | jordanm | pipeline: the file locations that apt writes will still have contexts |
| 00:27.34 | itsnotabigtruck | what i'm worried about is the system stuff, not daemons |
| 00:27.45 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: what system stuff? |
| 00:27.54 | pipeline | jordanm: yeah but if apt is running in unconstrained_t I don't think it matters |
| 00:28.10 | itsnotabigtruck | cron jobs, anything apt does, etc., also, apt has its own cron jobs |
| 00:28.23 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: selinux's goal is to protect against 0-day vulnerabilities, which would typically be a service |
| 00:28.34 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: how are you expecting those things to be exploited? |
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| 00:29.31 | itsnotabigtruck | jordanm: yeah, that's the main goal, protect against daemon breaches |
| 00:29.46 | itsnotabigtruck | though as a side benefit i'm thinking about things like restricting root |
| 00:30.04 | pipeline | selinux is fucking awesome |
| 00:30.11 | pipeline | because it can contain the maximum damage from an exploit |
| 00:30.20 | pipeline | but it's a lot of effort to write a green-grass policy |
| 00:30.24 | pipeline | tailoring existing policy is very easy |
| 00:30.32 | pipeline | but it takes time and thought to write fresh policy from scratch |
| 00:31.01 | JasonWoof | no dice on purging the config files from fglrx-driver. Earlier, I thought I had already done that, and grepped through /etc/ for mentions of radeon or fglrx and cleared out a couple blacklistings of radeon |
| 00:31.07 | itsnotabigtruck | so e.g. i could have two accounts, both which are sudoers, but one of them would be heavily limited for routine admin stuff only |
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| 00:31.33 | itsnotabigtruck | by having a role for routine admin tasks |
| 00:31.37 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: that's what /etc/sudoers is for, not selinux |
| 00:31.55 | itsnotabigtruck | that can be subverted incredibly easily though |
| 00:32.23 | itsnotabigtruck | if you give somebody root for anything important, they can trivially get root for everything |
| 00:32.27 | itsnotabigtruck | without selinux or something like it |
| 00:33.03 | itsnotabigtruck | for example, let them open vim as root, then they can open /etc/sudoers and drop all your restrictions :) |
| 00:33.28 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: well, yeah, but you should actually configure sudoers properly |
| 00:33.48 | jordanm | itsnotabigtruck: if you want them to be able to edit certain files, use ACLs, not sudo vim |
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| 00:40.10 | rawsted | abrotman: back from supper. removing gateway didn't work, though i still have allow-hotplug eth0 in there. would you recommend trying again without it? |
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| 00:42.09 | abrotman | rawsted: what we really need is the route -n when it first boots |
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| 00:46.00 | rawsted | abrotman: post-up route -n >> ~/out |
| 00:46.05 | rawsted | would that be sufficient? |
| 00:47.01 | rawsted | or would we ened it earlier than that? |
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| 00:50.24 | abrotman | rawsted: post-up on which one ? |
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| 00:50.38 | rawsted | abrotman: eth0 i guess? |
| 00:50.49 | rawsted | abrotman: or i guess i could do pre-up? |
| 00:52.06 | rawsted | abrotman: or perhaps just in rc.local ? |
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| 00:54.01 | bhundven | civillian: idk, never tried ;) |
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| 00:54.10 | dokma | is there a way to add package dependencies to apt externally? |
| 00:54.48 | dokma | for example I have some php scripts that depend on ph5-something and I want to signal that to apt |
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| 00:56.43 | abrotman | rawsted: rc.local would probably make more sense |
| 00:57.29 | rooks | is pulseaudio the default sound sys in debian? |
| 00:57.41 | rawsted | abrotman: workin on it, gotta fix ntp sync first |
| 00:59.52 | itsnotabigtruck | dokma: and those php scripts are in packages? |
| 01:00.24 | itsnotabigtruck | if they aren't, i don't think there's anything you can do like that |
| 01:00.27 | dokma | itsnotabigtruck: no, they are parts of a cms I installed manually |
| 01:00.36 | itsnotabigtruck | you just mark the packages as non-auto and remember to get rid of them when you get rid of the cms |
| 01:00.59 | itsnotabigtruck | (auto is marked with an A in aptitude, you can un-auto them with either m or M, i forget which one) |
| 01:01.13 | dokma | hmmm.... that sounds like a good whishlist item |
| 01:01.26 | dokma | yes, I know about auto and manual |
| 01:01.51 | dokma | I just thought there might be a feature of apt system to tell it of dependencies outside the repo |
| 01:02.05 | JasonWoof | gah! why do I keep forgetting to look at dmesg! there was a message in there about disabling dri on radeon because it couldn't find a firmware file |
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| 01:04.52 | abrotman | rawsted: did you try just unplugging your eth0 cable ? |
| 01:05.06 | rawsted | abrotman: of course |
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| 01:05.27 | rawsted | abrotman: what's interesting is that once wlan0 is up, i can unplug eth0 and it'll work by itself for some time |
| 01:05.39 | rawsted | but it ultimately dies |
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| 01:09.14 | rawsted | abrotman: sorry, just need another minute |
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| 01:12.38 | itsnotabigtruck | lol, i thought about mentioning the firmware-linux-nonfree thing but that's right in the page s/he linked |
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| 01:14.50 | rawsted | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/M1auUret |
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| 01:15.04 | rawsted | abrotman: symptom continues |
| 01:15.48 | rawsted | abrotman: route -n still looks the same now |
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| 01:15.58 | rawsted | that is, after the box is fully booted |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | rawsted: that looks totally reasonable to me .. is that working or not working ? |
| 01:16.20 | rawsted | abrotman: not >< |
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| 01:17.15 | abrotman | rawsted: odd .. seems like it should work |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | rawsted: just try commenting out all of eth0 |
| 01:17.57 | rawsted | heh, i guess i don't have anything to lose at this point |
| 01:20.33 | rawsted | abrotman: yeah, locked out again |
| 01:21.04 | rawsted | what's strange is that when pinging, i mostly get unreachable, but there are some timeouts sprinkled in there |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | rawsted: FWIW .. why aren't you using DHCP ? |
| 01:22.13 | rawsted | i've just always preferred static IP |
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| 01:22.39 | rawsted | you reckon i might not have this problem with DHCP? |
| 01:22.59 | abrotman | assuming your router is setup correctly |
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| 01:23.41 | rawsted | it's running a mostly vanilla dd-wrt |
| 01:23.50 | rawsted | excepting a virtual wlan |
| 01:24.02 | rawsted | wndr3700v2 |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | i'm sure it's fine .. or sometihng :) |
| 01:24.23 | rawsted | heh, alright well i'll reinstall deb on this thing tomorrow and give DHCP a whirl |
| 01:24.36 | rawsted | i'll pop back in and let you know the result |
| 01:24.48 | rawsted | for now it's wine time, thanks for your help |
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| 01:26.37 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, you want dhcp as long as it's set up correctly |
| 01:26.57 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. make sure you don't set it to allocate a max of 20 hosts and then try to connect 30 :p |
| 01:27.17 | mbai | Hi. I'm having alot of trouble with nfs-kernel-server. after attempting to restart the service, the status is always "nfsd not running" |
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| 01:28.02 | phogg | mbai: check the log file, look for errors |
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| 01:31.11 | abrotman | rawsted: you don't have to reinstall |
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| 01:32.21 | wald0 | !songbird |
| 01:32.22 | dpkg | Songbird is a desktop web player, digital jukebox and web browser. Not in Debian, see http://bugs.debian.org/412437 for the <RFP>. Linux support dropped as of version 1.7.2, see http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2010/04/02/songbird-singing-a-new-tune/ . http://www.getsongbird.com/ #songbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 01:33.47 | pappe | !hempowl |
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| 01:34.29 | abrotman | need help? |
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| 01:37.25 | mbai | when I restart nfs-kernel-server service, I get the following in the syslog. Is there anything abnormal? http://pastebin.com/kM5DXzw7 |
| 01:39.19 | Blackvel | thanks demonkeeper, kdog, themill: thanks for pointing that out to me! |
| 01:39.26 | Blackvel | gotta run...cu |
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| 01:59.55 | wald0 | is there a way to install songbird from a minimally clean way like deb packages ? |
| 02:00.51 | TechDesk | you like cocaine ? |
| 02:01.25 | wald0 | no, why ? |
| 02:01.54 | TechDesk | i like |
| 02:02.03 | abrotman | TechDesk: do you need Debian help? |
| 02:02.08 | TechDesk | no |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | wald0: last i knew, no |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | TechDesk: go play in #defocus please |
| 02:02.21 | TechDesk | oO |
| 02:02.34 | TechDesk | ok sorry |
| 02:02.43 | zykotick9 | wald0, (rhetorical) Why install a piece of software that has dropped gnu/linux support, when there are other alternatives out there? |
| 02:03.21 | wald0 | zykotick9: well, it still working in linux, it still compilable and all, maybe the developers not focus on the linux supports but stills open source and available |
| 02:04.16 | wald0 | zykotick9: 2 reasons: one is that it is very handy, second is that i have a remote application in my phone where i rate every song playing while im working |
| 02:04.22 | zykotick9 | wald0, i personally miss songbird, it was certainly my favourite music player, but I refuse to use unmaintained software. Best of luck. |
| 02:04.53 | wald0 | zykotick9: it is maintained, just not focused on linux by teh developers, just like a lot more of packages in debian |
| 02:07.01 | simonlnu | they dropped linux support. now tell me how that's maintained. |
| 02:07.04 | zykotick9 | wald0, i believe you are mistaken about it being maintained for gnu/linux. There is a fork called Nightingale (but by the very quick look I took the other day, doesn't appear to have released anything yet) |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | simonlnu: i think they stopped doing builds .. |
| 02:08.52 | simonlnu | that's different, if so |
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| 02:11.56 | wald0 | yes, just builds, the support for linux is just the same since debian will simply get the svn sources and make their own packages, just like a lot of other pre-packaged/pre-builded applications |
| 02:12.13 | wald0 | sorry for my bad english |
| 02:12.59 | simonlnu | no, my misunderstanding |
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| 02:13.14 | itsnotabigtruck | wald0: this is aimed at ubuntu but http://www.getdeb.net/app/Songbird |
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| 02:13.55 | itsnotabigtruck | that said, you aren't the first person to want this...http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/topics/debian_ubuntu_package_repositories |
| 02:14.00 | itsnotabigtruck | it basically looks like the songbird devs don't give a crap |
| 02:14.02 | wald0 | itsnotabigtruck: just checked it before, i don't even found a .dsc file or a way to download it... do you know how i can get it ? my browser doesn't support this address stuff |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | doNOT use getdeb packages on Debian .. that's a huge mistake |
| 02:14.31 | itsnotabigtruck | going by the overly commercial nature of the website they probably expect linux users to be unprofitable |
| 02:14.48 | itsnotabigtruck | abrotman: why is that? not that i doubt it |
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| 02:15.10 | itsnotabigtruck | you're really better off switching to rhythmbox or banshee or something |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | itsnotabigtruck: they're designed for ubuntu, not debian for starters .. |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | wald0: what features do you want from songbird ? |
| 02:15.35 | wald0 | if at least i could download a .dsc file from it and see how it looks... |
| 02:16.00 | itsnotabigtruck | abrotman: that's not exactly a huge difference in most cases though |
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| 02:16.15 | itsnotabigtruck | after all a huge huge chunk of ubuntu is just copied over from debian |
| 02:16.18 | abrotman | itsnotabigtruck: yes, it is |
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| 02:16.38 | abrotman | itsnotabigtruck: which version of Debian is wald0 running, which version of ubuntu does getdeb target? see the problem .. |
| 02:16.39 | wald0 | abrotman: i have an application on my iphone to manage it remotely, basically, i have it on my table and while im working im rating the songs (in order to classify them later), it is very handy |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | wald0: you're probably going to have to build it from source |
| 02:17.38 | wald0 | also, songbird creates a new entry in the TAGS of the mp3 files that includes the rating... this means that i can have the rating recorded directly on the file and so, never lost |
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| 02:18.26 | wald0 | stupid standards makes that the rating is not saved in the files, and no one application support migration of this tag... only songbird does a hacky way for that (special custom tag entry for this purpose) |
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| 02:19.57 | itsnotabigtruck | abrotman: except that a "version" is just a loose collection of packages, especially if wald0 isn't running stable |
| 02:20.26 | itsnotabigtruck | and a proper deb should have the dependencies set to narrow it down to what's compatible |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | itsnotabigtruck: debian stable is not a "loose collection" of packages .. sorry you think that .. |
| 02:20.32 | itsnotabigtruck | now, on non-debian debs than often isn't the case |
| 02:20.37 | itsnotabigtruck | they're usually pretty sloppy |
| 02:20.59 | itsnotabigtruck | abrotman: stable is the set of package versions that has the stable stamp on it, but note my especially |
| 02:21.09 | zykotick9 | itsnotabigtruck, i think you should take abrotman's word on this one - there is an overwhelming consensus in #debian that mixing ubuntu and debian is a very bad idea. |
| 02:21.10 | abrotman | itsnotabigtruck: that's not true .. |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | judd: depends gnome-session-bin --release squeeze |
| 02:21.58 | judd | Package gnome-session-bin in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.88), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libsm6, libupower-glib1 (>= 0.9.0), libx11-6, libxau6, libxext6, libxrender1, libxtst6, gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), dbus-x11, upower (>= 0.9.0). |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | that seems really loose and sloppy .. sure does |
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| 02:23.20 | itsnotabigtruck | abrotman: re-read what i said, the 'loose' was about 3rd party packages |
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| 02:23.37 | fluter | hi, whats the kernel package's name in debian? |
| 02:23.39 | abrotman | you said "version" is a loose collection of packages .. |
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| 02:23.48 | abrotman | fluter: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 02:24.27 | fluter | ahh, its linux-2.6, |
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| 02:24.31 | itsnotabigtruck | what i'm saying is that a "version" of the os is nothing but a bundle of packages at particular versions |
| 02:24.34 | fluter | not kernel as other distros :p |
| 02:24.44 | itsnotabigtruck | and those particular versions are mostly based on what happened to be in testing at the right time |
| 02:24.53 | famicom | I need to pull in linux-image-686-pae but somehow this package is no longer available |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | famicom: in which version of Debian ? |
| 02:25.27 | famicom | debian squeeze running 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | itsnotabigtruck: believe it or not .. they kind of plan what is in testing when it is released as stable |
| 02:25.36 | famicom | bold not intended |
| 02:25.36 | itsnotabigtruck | seeing that ubuntu and debian aren't radically different outside of some front-end stuff (unity and whatnot) for the most part, what really matters is what versions you have |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | famicom: what is dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 02:26.00 | karlpinc | itsnotabigtruck: And they all happen to be tested together, so you know they work together. (And as far as kernel versions go a lot of distro's backport various features without changing the kernel.org kernel version number.) |
| 02:26.08 | famicom | abrotman when did that "feature" get added |
| 02:26.24 | abrotman | famicom: awhile ago ? |
| 02:26.30 | itsnotabigtruck | karlpinc: the kernel version is one of the more irrelevant things though |
| 02:26.53 | famicom | abrotman how recently though |
| 02:26.56 | itsnotabigtruck | what matters more is where the libraries are, what they're named, etc. |
| 02:27.11 | famicom | It's incredibly obnoxious for people running hypervisors |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | famicom: does it say i386 or amd64 ? |
| 02:27.21 | itsnotabigtruck | and since most of those ubuntu library packages are cloned debian packages... |
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| 02:27.34 | abrotman | wrong again |
| 02:28.00 | famicom | abrotman amd64 obviously |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | famicom: no, not obviously .. amd64 kernels are available in both i386 and amd64 squeeze |
| 02:28.33 | simonlnu | itsnotabigtruck: seriously? where do you get this stuff? |
| 02:28.49 | famicom | abrotman I see |
| 02:28.55 | abrotman | famicom: the -pae is a newer name for kernels .. it would be in backports.debian.org or in wheezy/sid |
| 02:29.09 | wald0 | whats the best alternatives to songbird ? (im not in a overloaded desktop with huge k/g libs) |
| 02:29.12 | famicom | yeah, I'm currently doing a dist-upgrade to sid |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:29.30 | abrotman | wald0: do you need remote management ? |
| 02:29.32 | karlpinc | itsnotabigtruck: What matters is what works together, whether library versions, kernel versions, userspace toolsets, scripting language versions, and so forth and so on. Debian does the system integration so you don't have to. If you want to build your own distro and do all the work by mixing up whatever you like, go for it. |
| 02:29.47 | wald0 | abrotman: could be very nice |
| 02:30.19 | famicom | karlpinc pretty much summoned up the concept of a distro |
| 02:30.22 | abrotman | wald0: /win 4 |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 02:30.31 | simonlnu | that's what deps and the like are for |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | needs to read what he is typing |
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| 02:31.59 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 02:34.44 | wald0 | cc1plus: all warnings being treated as errors |
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| 02:34.54 | wald0 | strange error in compilation of songbird... |
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| 02:36.48 | famicom | abrotman any idea how to have the non amd64 kernels show up in my apt-cache results |
| 02:36.55 | woshty | how does auto.smb from autofs5 package work? is there any documentation? |
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| 02:39.30 | abrotman | famicom: you can't do that if you're on amd64 .. amd64 doesn't need pae |
| 02:40.00 | famicom | I need that kernel to provision a DomU |
| 02:41.33 | abrotman | you can just download it from backports.debian.org directly |
| 02:42.01 | famicom | that's awfully inefficient |
| 02:42.24 | famicom | goddammit, this is another fucking "feature" that makes my life more complicated |
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| 02:43.22 | brotatos | hello fellow debbers |
| 02:43.23 | abrotman | you could have installed i386 ... |
| 02:43.24 | brotatos | how are you all? |
| 02:43.29 | itsnotabigtruck | famicom: wait, what's the goal here |
| 02:43.59 | famicom | abrotman uhm, No, that would be dumb |
| 02:44.09 | itsnotabigtruck | how about using PV-GRUB and putting the kernel inside the domu |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | famicom: so would be installing a 32bit kernel when the system is 64bit ... |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | famicom: how many times do you have to get this kernel ? |
| 02:44.31 | famicom | abrotman what part of domU didn't you understand |
| 02:44.37 | itsnotabigtruck | then you can apt-get the i386 kernel inside the domu |
| 02:44.48 | famicom | itsnotabigtruck perhaps that could work |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | famicom: alternately .. you can create a 32bit chroot and do all of this in there |
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| 02:45.23 | famicom | this is just a bunch of useless work |
| 02:45.40 | famicom | would apt-pinning this bitch work |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | no |
| 02:46.07 | abrotman | you'd be pinning amd64 repos |
| 02:46.09 | famicom | well fuck whoever approved this shit then |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | morons at AMD or something .. silly x86_64 .. 32bits ought to be enough for anyone |
| 02:47.59 | DammitJim | what is a good cd ripper? |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | DammitJim: gnome? kde? cli ? |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | and to rip to what? |
| 02:48.48 | famicom | what he said^^ |
| 02:48.58 | DammitJim | e17 |
| 02:49.02 | DammitJim | flac or mp3 |
| 02:49.10 | famicom | hmmm |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | DammitJim: so basically, you don't care if it's GUI or not? |
| 02:49.37 | famicom | DammitJim http://code.google.com/p/abcde/ |
| 02:49.40 | famicom | that one should work^^ |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | likes using jack+lame |
| 02:49.54 | DammitJim | like grip |
| 02:49.56 | DammitJim | I guess |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | DammitJim: gnome has soundjuicer |
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| 02:50.25 | DammitJim | oh yeah, soundjuicer |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | not sure it does mp3 .. but there should be a fair number of GUI ripping tools |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | missing grip too |
| 02:51.59 | famicom | the jack+lame suggestion seems the best one |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | yeah, but it's not fancy :) |
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| 02:53.24 | DammitJim | grip is good |
| 02:53.56 | wald0 | i sincerely never found a handy application for my music... (always used cplay) |
| 02:54.03 | famicom | grip is no longer maintained |
| 02:54.07 | wald0 | what's a good alternative to songbird ? |
| 02:54.13 | famicom | itunes *ducks* |
| 02:54.45 | dvs | !lart famicon |
| 02:54.45 | dpkg | whacks famicon upside the head |
| 02:54.56 | DammitJim | dammit, famicom |
| 02:55.04 | DammitJim | does cplay rip? |
| 02:55.25 | rjsalts | sort -R * | xargs mpg123 |
| 02:55.35 | wald0 | cplay is only a player for terminal in ncurses |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | wald0: tried banshee? quod libet? rhythmbox ? |
| 02:55.55 | DammitJim | oh cool |
| 02:56.02 | rjsalts | I don't mind kaffeine, etc. either |
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| 02:56.31 | wald0 | is there a synaptic alternative with screenshots ? |
| 02:56.42 | abrotman | wald0: synaptic the package manager? |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | aptitude has a GUI |
| 02:57.17 | wald0 | yes, a package manager more userfriendly and with screenshots |
| 02:57.18 | libertyprime | Hi all. Can anybody help me install the linux framebuffer with a fresh copy of debian 6? |
| 02:57.25 | wald0 | i have see that there's screenshots in the website of the packages of debian |
| 02:58.55 | DammitJim | man, sound-juicer just installed a bunch of crap |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | says the guy running e17 :) |
| 02:59.30 | jordanm | libertyprime: should be automatic with KMS |
| 02:59.32 | DammitJim | :-P |
| 03:01.49 | zykotick9 | wald0, there is the software-center package, if you like ubuntu crud - i believe it has screenshots |
| 03:02.49 | wald0 | thx, let me try |
| 03:03.46 | libertyprime | jordanm: im not sure what that means... |
| 03:04.09 | un214 | jordanm: I asked the kernel team if they'd be nice enough to make a KMS for vgaconsole and they said no |
| 03:04.50 | un214 | too bad really. I might be able to get X working with my graphics card someday, but framebuffer's not going to |
| 03:05.35 | zykotick9 | DammitJim, if you can deal with cli apps, abcde is an excellent ripping program |
| 03:06.06 | wald0 | zykotick9: i only see icons, not screenshots |
| 03:06.07 | zykotick9 | s/program/frontend/ |
| 03:06.25 | zykotick9 | wald0, sorry, i gave you bad advice then. my bad. |
| 03:06.59 | wald0 | zykotick9: i have see in ubuntu a package manager with screenshots, but i dont remember it... not much used of ubuntu |
| 03:07.21 | DammitJim | abcde? |
| 03:07.29 | zykotick9 | wald0, software-center is the ubuntu-software-center |
| 03:07.32 | DammitJim | great 'cause sound juicer doesn't know there is a cd in the tray |
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| 03:07.42 | n-iCe | what can I use to see all my iphone folders in debian? |
| 03:07.46 | zykotick9 | DammitJim, A Better CD Encoder (abcde - clever no?) |
| 03:09.10 | wald0 | n-iCe: ssh |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | you can ssh into an iphone ? |
| 03:10.20 | karlpinc | Im using ferm to create iptables rules -- for installation with iptables-restore. I see lines like ":OUTPUT DROP [0:0]" and ":tcp-input - [0:0]" I looked around the man pages and can't find this documeted. Where do I RTFM? |
| 03:11.06 | n-iCe | wald0: but in order to send recieve and app 1GB size will take years |
| 03:11.15 | n-iCe | I want like to transfer a into a usb, you get me? |
| 03:11.16 | n-iCe | yup abrotman |
| 03:11.23 | karlpinc | (It's doing something to set policy and/or create chains....) |
| 03:11.27 | abrotman | karlpinc: thought those were comments, maybe ask #netfilter |
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| 03:12.05 | karlpinc | abrotman: Plausable. Thanks. |
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| 03:15.10 | wald0 | abrotman: yes, if the iphone/ipod is hacked you have ssh, rsync, and a lot of similar tools |
| 03:15.26 | wald0 | n-iCe: use rsync for transfer/update a copy of your iphone files |
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| 03:15.56 | n-iCe | wald0: have you used it? |
| 03:16.05 | Max_Stone | I/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:16.09 | Max_Stone | Oops sorry |
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| 03:16.13 | wald0 | n-iCe: yes |
| 03:16.24 | wald0 | n-iCe: what's exactly your need ? |
| 03:16.47 | n-iCe | wald0: I have an .ipa in my iphone FIFA 12 1.01GB I want to store it in my laptop and add it to my ipod touch |
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| 03:17.45 | wald0 | n-iCe: right, so use scp for example, for the transfer, use find to know where those ipas are stored before you install it in Installous and place it on the same place, then you will have it visible for install (sorry the small OT) |
| 03:18.38 | Max_Stone | I'm pretty new to Ubuntu. I have 11.04, and I would like to get some packages [Visual Boy Advance, MP3 codec, etc]. I went to debian.org and looked at the ISOs but I can't tell if any of them have what I'm looking for. Suggestions please? |
| 03:19.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Max_Stone: #ubuntu |
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| 03:19.26 | n-iCe | wald0: but use spc in debian, right? |
| 03:19.30 | n-iCe | find in debian right? |
| 03:19.32 | Max_Stone | Okay thanks |
| 03:19.36 | abrotman | Max_Stone: you want #ubuntu for Ubuntu support .. and you probably don't want Debian ISOs if you're using Ubuntu .. those ISOs are for installing Debian |
| 03:19.42 | n-iCe | how will it find / transfer without the iphone connected |
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| 03:20.00 | abrotman | Max_Stone: you want #ubuntu for Ubuntu support .. and you probably don't want Debian ISOs if you're using Ubuntu .. those ISOs are for installing Debian |
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| 03:20.21 | Max_Stone | Oh well that makes sense then.... Sorry.... |
| 03:20.39 | wald0 | n-iCe: run scp root@iphone:/location/file.ipa ./your-debian/dir/, use find inside (ssh) the iphone to know the location of the ipas, in order to know where to send it in your ipod |
| 03:20.46 | wald0 | with scp again |
| 03:21.30 | n-iCe | I don't know how to ssh my iphone |
| 03:21.31 | n-iCe | let me check |
| 03:22.02 | wald0 | n-iCe: then you need to find in google a howto about how to use ssh and scp |
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| 03:22.27 | n-iCe | oh wait |
| 03:22.33 | n-iCe | ssh in iphone just works with wifi? |
| 03:22.44 | n-iCe | can't do a 3G connection? |
| 03:22.55 | wald0 | use wifi, yes |
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| 03:23.06 | wald0 | and you need to have installed ssh on it previously |
| 03:24.00 | n-iCe | ok |
| 03:24.01 | n-iCe | brb |
| 03:24.05 | n-iCe | please don't go |
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| 03:32.04 | factotum | is there an easy way to compare module versions between stable and testing kernels? A site/page to find and compare the info? It's in regards to my rt wifi driver |
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| 03:32.53 | n-iCe | Ok, I am back |
| 03:33.02 | dvs | run! |
| 03:33.12 | n-iCe | who was assiting me? |
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| 03:34.16 | un214 | it appears the bot it not responding to the control function n-iCe |
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| 03:34.28 | factotum | !run |
| 03:34.29 | dpkg | /run is a new cross-distribution location for storing transient writable files needed from system startup to shutdown, but do not require preserving across reboots. It replaces several locations in the <FHS>. http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory |
| 03:34.37 | factotum | huh |
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| 03:35.31 | dvs | !dmc |
| 03:35.31 | dpkg | somebody said dmc was .. like.. you know |
| 03:36.35 | un214 | and to think I'd have left it as /var/run but let it do exactly that |
| 03:36.49 | n-iCe | ? |
| 03:36.53 | un214 | [at this point you're probably wondering how to mount /var, well there is a solution to that] |
| 03:38.13 | skypent | should i use i386 network install if I have a 32-bit processor? |
| 03:38.45 | factotum | !hollis |
| 03:38.45 | dpkg | hmm... hollis is cute as a button, ow wes he wis |
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| 03:41.49 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 03:41.56 | n-iCe | I Just opened port 22 in the local iphone port |
| 03:42.04 | n-iCe | but is not connecting, indeed nmap says is not open |
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| 03:42.37 | un214 | !wheezy |
| 03:42.37 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 03:43.55 | wald0 | wheeze wheezy! please come out! :) |
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| 03:44.07 | un214 | you're impatient huh? |
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| 04:02.59 | sanduz2 | can someone point me in the right direction? basically im looking for some information on how to make administering a debian server easier and with minimal problems/downtime/etc. |
| 04:03.11 | sanduz2 | not sure what topics or programs to look into |
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| 04:04.52 | alfplayer | sanduz2: i don't think there's a way other than knowing your stuff |
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| 04:10.09 | sanduz2 | alfplayer, i understand what you mean but what kind of topics can i learn about in order to avoid downtime of servers or maybe have a back up automatically take over so there is no down time at all, etc.? or perhaps do you all recommend renting a server online from some companies instead? not sure about what to look for... |
| 04:12.07 | alfplayer | i think it depends, on the type of service, amount of traffic, and many other things |
| 04:12.21 | alfplayer | it is specific |
| 04:12.29 | sanduz2 | web apps mostly |
| 04:13.15 | sanduz2 | with databases and such |
| 04:13.37 | alfplayer | about downtime, if you rent, you can check their guaranteed uptime |
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| 04:14.48 | alfplayer | and about other things, i think you should be much more specific |
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| 04:15.49 | sanduz2 | well really its just going to be web apps (web server, databases, php, python, etc) |
| 04:16.38 | sanduz2 | small websites for now |
| 04:17.02 | alfplayer | there are many types of hosting, like dedicated, managed, etc. |
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| 04:17.25 | alfplayer | and each provider has their uptimes |
| 04:18.05 | sanduz2 | ok ill look into those things types first, thanks |
| 04:18.09 | alfplayer | maybe you should start looking for that info, checking providers and see if cost and uptime are good for you |
| 04:18.21 | alfplayer | yes |
| 04:18.24 | sanduz2 | ok cool, any recommendations? |
| 04:18.44 | kleanchap | I want to create a cron job and when I tried to crontab -e, it was not vi. How can I change my editor for crontab to vi? |
| 04:19.03 | alfplayer | not any more, it depends as i said, that's what i think |
| 04:19.14 | sanduz2 | oh ok thanks |
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| 04:19.24 | alfplayer | np |
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| 04:19.37 | n-iCe | any software like Connectify? |
| 04:19.43 | karmst | Hello |
| 04:19.47 | n-iCe | I have two wireless card, I want to share my internet connection |
| 04:19.54 | karmst | I have a stupid question |
| 04:20.26 | arghx | !tell kleanchap about editor |
| 04:20.44 | karmst | is HTTPS proxy as secure as Socks5? |
| 04:20.49 | arghx | n-iCe: why not just do NAT? |
| 04:21.17 | n-iCe | arghx: tell me more |
| 04:21.20 | arghx | karmst: how is it debian related and how is socks secure at all? secure in what way? |
| 04:21.50 | karmst | I'd like to hide my physical location network and IP from the world |
| 04:22.03 | arghx | n-iCe: google.com, heard about it? NAT is very common, every consumer router out there does it |
| 04:22.06 | karmst | but I also don't want everyone else using my proxy server |
| 04:22.17 | henchman24 | password auth |
| 04:22.18 | n-iCe | arghx: you did not get me I think |
| 04:22.38 | arghx | n-iCe: what does this connectify thing do? |
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| 04:22.52 | henchman24 | or just host sshd and use tunnels |
| 04:22.54 | n-iCe | the router is close to me, but very far away from other computers, so sharing my laptop like a hotspot will make it work better for the far away aps |
| 04:23.10 | arghx | !tell n-iCe about hostapd |
| 04:23.18 | n-iCe | says, Turn your Windows laptop into a secure Wi-Fi hotspot to share the Internet with friends, co-workers, and mobile devices. |
| 04:23.48 | arghx | karmst: why can't you use a socks5 server? socks is a proxy for many different programs and protocols, http proxies only for http |
| 04:24.10 | arghx | n-iCe: then use hostapd. not all wlan drivers support it tho |
| 04:24.16 | karmst | that's what I was trying to determine. Which one I should use |
| 04:24.48 | karmst | squid3 or dante |
| 04:24.48 | arghx | karmst: dante-server for example |
| 04:27.42 | karmst | :D |
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| 04:35.54 | onryo | what is the correct platform to be run with Sandy Bridge. 686? |
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| 04:36.13 | arghx | i386 or amd64. |
| 04:36.18 | karmst | I would think amd64 |
| 04:36.39 | n-iCe | how do I start /etc/init.d/dhcpd |
| 04:36.56 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.00 | onryo | ok will that still work with VT-d. I bought this for a xen server with Debian slices |
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| 04:37.13 | n-iCe | bash: /etc/init.d/dhcpd: No such file or directory |
| 04:37.21 | kb3ien | what package do i install for kernel module ip_gre ? |
| 04:37.26 | arghx | yes it will. do you use debian as dom0? |
| 04:37.38 | karmst | depends on if your bios has VT-D enabled |
| 04:37.41 | arghx | n-iCe: is dhcpd installed? |
| 04:38.25 | onryo | karmst, I made sure to buy a msi mobo today that would work with vt-d and NOT buy a k sandy bridge |
| 04:38.27 | arghx | kb3ien: it's part of your kernel |
| 04:38.29 | karmst | actually you are going to want to go amd64 for sure if you are using virtualization |
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| 04:38.37 | karmst | otherwise you can only run x86 vms |
| 04:39.49 | kb3ien | i cannot make gre1. |
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| 04:39.57 | onryo | karmst, the mobo I got was a msi z68a-gd55 with a i7 2600 cpu so I think Ill be ok. Famous last words...lol |
| 04:40.20 | arghx | ,file ip_gre.ko |
| 04:40.23 | kb3ien | ioctl: No such device |
| 04:40.23 | judd | Search for ip_gre.ko in squeeze/i386: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-686/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-686: |
| 04:40.25 | judd | lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-openvz-686/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-486: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-686: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-vserver-686/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko; (1 more message) |
| 04:40.39 | karmst | yes just make sure in the BIOS you set it to enable VT-D and VT-x |
| 04:41.02 | karmst | and you probably want to also set the setting for v-pcie |
| 04:41.03 | itsnotabigtruck | onryo: if you have a system new enough to have sandy bridge inside, it's probably new enough to have enough ram that you want amd64 |
| 04:41.12 | karmst | if you want to access usb 3.0 devices in the vm |
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| 04:41.27 | arghx | onryo: and you will want a backports kernel. and a backports xorg |
| 04:41.27 | karmst | <vcap |
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| 04:41.34 | itsnotabigtruck | especially if you want to use it as a vm host, ram is key |
| 04:41.41 | onryo | karmst that was the first thing I did =P |
| 04:42.02 | karmst | then you should be good |
| 04:42.17 | karmst | just install the smp kernel |
| 04:42.21 | n-iCe | I Guess so arghx |
| 04:42.23 | n-iCe | tried sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart |
| 04:42.24 | n-iCe | but errors |
| 04:42.27 | arghx | karmst: there are no "smp kernels" |
| 04:42.48 | onryo | itsnotabigtruck, well my P4 was retired today. Been using it since 2005! Got 32GB ram with this new system. |
| 04:43.41 | itsnotabigtruck | onryo: lol, amd64 no doubt then |
| 04:43.49 | itsnotabigtruck | unless you feel like wasting at least 28 of those gigs |
| 04:45.10 | onryo | itsnotabigtruck, net install for amd64 rolling as I type away. |
| 04:45.32 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like in theory you could use xen with pae to use the rest of the ram |
| 04:45.54 | itsnotabigtruck | but that only really made sense before amd64 rolled around |
| 04:45.58 | karmst | but you couldn't use x64 guests |
| 04:46.16 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, apparently teh bits need to match up between the host and guests |
| 04:46.24 | itsnotabigtruck | though if the guests have <= 2 gb each, that isn't a big deal |
| 04:46.36 | itsnotabigtruck | amd64 doesn't buy you much except more ram capacity without dealing with pae tricks |
| 04:49.05 | karmst | uhm 64bit is a totally different architecture |
| 04:49.10 | onryo | itsnotabigtruck, each guest will have just that. 2 GB of ram. Ill play around a bit with this and see what works best with virtual stuff. Want to run TXT also and having some issues to deal with. Hardware is bad enough at times but when it is not even real hw..... @_@ |
| 04:49.17 | karmst | it's does quite a bit more than just give you access to more ram |
| 04:49.31 | itsnotabigtruck | karmst: totally different? not exactly |
| 04:50.12 | itsnotabigtruck | it's x86 + sse2 + 64-bit registers/memory addresses + a few extra registers |
| 04:50.21 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm sure there's a lot more internal complexity that matters to the kernel |
| 04:51.02 | itsnotabigtruck | but except in some corner cases, the extra few registers aren't enough of a difference to matter |
| 04:51.04 | onryo | was reading this today from Phoronix i686 vs. i686 PAE vs. x86_64 |
| 04:51.12 | karmst | it's a totally different bit set and instruction set |
| 04:51.19 | itsnotabigtruck | totally different? err, no |
| 04:51.23 | itsnotabigtruck | not at all |
| 04:51.24 | onryo | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_natty_pae64&num=1 |
| 04:51.27 | in2tactics | it's all a little bit off-topic imo |
| 04:51.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it's called x86-64 for a reason |
| 04:51.34 | itsnotabigtruck | it's x86, but 64-bit |
| 04:51.46 | itsnotabigtruck | (note: "ia-64" and other 64-bit instruction sets are totally different) |
| 04:52.55 | kb3ien | pulling kernel source now, going to build the missing module. |
| 04:53.07 | arghx | kb3ien: the module is not missing if you run debian |
| 04:53.33 | kb3ien | why then the ioctl errors? |
| 04:54.07 | arghx | how does a ioctl error mean "missing module"? |
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| 04:54.51 | itsnotabigtruck | onryo: interesting. however i bet the software on the i686 install wasn't compiled to use sse/sse2 |
| 04:55.09 | itsnotabigtruck | most linux distros, both debian and ubuntu included, use pretty conservative compile options |
| 04:55.30 | itsnotabigtruck | all amd64 cpus have sse/sse2/etc. so the compiler can always assume it can use them, however, unlike with i686 |
| 04:55.44 | itsnotabigtruck | that means that math heavy programs are always going to get a big benefit on amd64 in that case |
| 04:55.53 | kb3ien | how does one build a gre1 on debian now? if not `iptunnel add gre1 mode gre` |
| 04:56.15 | kb3ien | i'm not finding it on disk, i'm not able to see it with lsmod |
| 04:56.33 | arghx | kb3ien: you asked for ip_gre, right? |
| 04:56.42 | arghx | the kernel module, ip_gre? |
| 04:56.49 | itsnotabigtruck | kb3ien: you sure you used > ip tunnel |
| 04:56.55 | itsnotabigtruck | the command is called ip |
| 04:57.51 | kb3ien | yes. ip tunnel is 2 words. |
| 04:57.53 | kb3ien | typo |
| 04:58.12 | arghx | kb3ien: uname -r what kernel version do you run? |
| 04:58.24 | kb3ien | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-sparc64 #1 Mon Oct 3 06:19:22 UTC 2011 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:58.35 | kb3ien | mose button, better than typing... |
| 04:58.48 | kb3ien | hihihihi did it again. |
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| 05:00.08 | arghx | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sparc/linux-image-2.6.32-5-sparc64/filelist ok, in that kernel there is no ip_gre.ko. I don't know why. maybe ask th debian sparc channel on oftc |
| 05:00.10 | arghx | !sparc |
| 05:00.11 | dpkg | SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:00.15 | onryo | itsnotabigtruck, was thinking the same. That article is about a year old when SB was new. |
| 05:02.25 | onryo | I have a hard time taking a mobo seriously that has naked robotic chick shooting each other with laser frag gun. |
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| 05:04.31 | kb3ien | hrm debian-sparc has moved to another server ring... odd. |
| 05:04.49 | arghx | kb3ien: not odd. irc.debian.org points to oftc for years now |
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| 05:09.35 | ianthius | i installed debian 6 and am remoted in via ssh, when i am opening vi the editor is acting funny, i think my terminal setting are maybe messed up or not set correctly is that maybe the issue? |
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| 05:09.57 | ianthius | like when i hit return sometimes it won't create a new line |
| 05:10.21 | ianthius | when i use the delete key it's not deleting? |
| 05:10.37 | arghx | that is not a terminal setting. funny fonts with bad umlatus or graphical linedrawings are terminal settings |
| 05:10.49 | arghx | delete/backspace could be an issue tho. but enter is not |
| 05:11.01 | arghx | what terminal setting, what ssh client? |
| 05:12.04 | ianthius | putty |
| 05:12.20 | ianthius | and i am not sure the current terminal setting, do i get that in the user conf file? |
| 05:12.56 | arghx | echo $TERM. and set putty to utf-8, it's not by default afaik |
| 05:14.26 | ianthius | arghx, ok, for example if i open sshd_config and hit 'i' for insert mode and then try to arrow around i get 'C' character everytime i hit the arrow keys |
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| 05:14.31 | ianthius | arghx, i'll try your fix |
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| 05:17.44 | zykotick9 | ianthius, i assume you are using vi when you get the C characters? Installing "vim" to replace vim-tiny will correct that issue. |
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| 05:18.54 | ianthius | zykotick9, i thought that was the case as well, but when i launch just vi with no args it says 'VI improves' or whatever |
| 05:18.59 | ianthius | so i though i had the right thing |
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| 05:19.31 | zykotick9 | ianthius, it's vim-tiny instead of the proper/full vim. |
| 05:19.40 | zykotick9 | ianthius, try installing vim |
| 05:20.10 | ianthius | zykotick9, doing it now. Thanks. seems like vim is already tiny :) |
| 05:20.14 | itsnotabigtruck | speaking of that, is there any reason why vim-tiny doesn't symlink vim (via alternatives)? |
| 05:20.26 | itsnotabigtruck | that always throws me off on a new installation |
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| 05:21.07 | itsnotabigtruck | also ianthius: you can run vim-tiny in vim mode with vim.tiny |
| 05:21.21 | alteregod | is it possible to modify unrar to always start it with nice 19? |
| 05:21.51 | ianthius | itsnotabigtruck, i am confused when i run aptitude it shows that 'vim' package is already installed |
| 05:22.03 | gnarface | alteregod: yes but its far easier to just replace it with a script that calls itself with nice 19 |
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| 05:22.10 | ianthius | but if i type 'vim' it say's command not found |
| 05:22.25 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: ok, that's weird, you sure you actually have it installed? |
| 05:22.42 | alteregod | so i have to make a shellscript in /usr/bin that calls e.g unrar, but i have to rename unrar to something else right? |
| 05:22.42 | itsnotabigtruck | it's pretty bulky (because it pulls in vim-runtime) and it's not installed by default |
| 05:22.45 | ianthius | there is a little 'i' next to it in aptitude |
| 05:22.51 | somiaj | ianthius: dpkg -l vim -- look at the output of that |
| 05:23.06 | alteregod | like nice 19 unrarbin % |
| 05:23.06 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: do whereis vim |
| 05:23.10 | somiaj | ianthius: also ls /usr/bin/vim and dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim (to see if the binary is there) |
| 05:23.25 | itsnotabigtruck | i get this: vim: /usr/bin/vim.basic /usr/bin/vim /etc/vim /usr/share/vim /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz |
| 05:24.01 | ianthius | vim: /usr/bin/vim.tiny /etc/vim /usr/share/vim /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz |
| 05:24.05 | gnarface | alteregod: that would accomplish what you are asking, yes. its a terrible, sloppy, ill-advised workaround to whatever the fuck it is you're trying to actually accomplish though. i'd recommend at least using a new name for the script... do you have a specific need for it to be actually *called* unrar? |
| 05:24.10 | ianthius | ^ output of whereis vim |
| 05:24.16 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: then you definitely just have vim.tiny, i think |
| 05:24.18 | itsnotabigtruck | check that dpkg command |
| 05:24.27 | somiaj | ianthius: ahh I see, /usr/bin/vim is a link that points to /etc/alternatives/vim (which then points to the vim alternative you have -- it could be the link and/or alternative is not pointing in a sane place) |
| 05:24.27 | itsnotabigtruck | you should definitely have a vim.basic in there if you installed the vim package |
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| 05:24.40 | gnarface | alteregod: i forget but i think in bash its $1 for the first command-line argument... |
| 05:25.01 | ianthius | somiaj, wierd, cause this is a fresh install of debian 6 |
| 05:25.02 | alteregod | because the programm calls unrar, so i can' call it otherelse |
| 05:25.21 | itsnotabigtruck | alteregod: if it's a shell script you could use shell aliases maybe |
| 05:25.27 | somiaj | ianthius: yes its weird, but you can at least trace down what happend (maybe a postinst script had issues) |
| 05:25.34 | gnarface | alteregod: the program can't be reconfigured? cause if you want to recompile something, that's what should change. the program should be able to take a different path to a binary |
| 05:26.03 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: try removing or purging, then installing vim |
| 05:26.07 | itsnotabigtruck | also you can get rid of vim-tiny |
| 05:26.16 | ianthius | aptitude claims that vim is installed |
| 05:26.26 | ianthius | can i uninstall it from aptitude? |
| 05:26.29 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 05:26.32 | buhman | Kernel 3.2 is already being developed; why is 3.1 not in sid yet? |
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| 05:26.35 | itsnotabigtruck | use _ (purge) |
| 05:26.36 | alteregod | i know its a dirt mod but whatever.. |
| 05:26.45 | buhman | specifically, 3.2-rc1 |
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| 05:27.44 | gnarface | alteregod: actually you might be able to just use a shell alias instead of changing the file. that would be better. try something like this first: alias unrar='nice 19 unrar' |
| 05:27.58 | alteregod | ok |
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| 05:28.13 | alteregod | i put that to my rc.local now |
| 05:28.27 | gnarface | alteregod: uh put it in your bash scripts |
| 05:28.33 | ianthius | itsnotabigtruck, somiaj, awesome, thanks, it works now |
| 05:28.35 | itsnotabigtruck | buhman: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20111105T112303Z.html |
| 05:28.43 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like 3.1 just went into experimental |
| 05:28.45 | itsnotabigtruck | probably not built yet |
| 05:28.50 | gnarface | alteregod: either the one in the home directory of the user you run the program in question as (if there is only ever one) or else the global one in /etc/ |
| 05:29.02 | somiaj | buhman: 3.1 has only recentally made it to expermental, things are still a big lagged due to the kernel.org compermse I imangine. Its only this week kernel.org has caught up and recovered |
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| 05:29.29 | alteregod | ok |
| 05:29.58 | itsnotabigtruck | > linux-image-3.1.0-1-amd64 deb kernel optional |
| 05:30.05 | itsnotabigtruck | look for that to show up in experimental |
| 05:30.21 | itsnotabigtruck | btw anyone know why gnutls 3.0 (libgnutls28) is still in experimental |
| 05:30.23 | itsnotabigtruck | since august |
| 05:30.33 | _joey | I accidentally deleted many files from $HOME. All are located in .Trash. There are so many that I don't know from which subdirectories they were deleted. Can anything be done about to restore the files? |
| 05:31.02 | itsnotabigtruck | _joey: i assume you're using gnome or some other kind of de? |
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| 05:31.09 | gnarface | _joey: sounds like you need to check with the documentation of whatever program created .Trash |
| 05:31.09 | itsnotabigtruck | can't you just pop open trash and hit restore all or something |
| 05:31.40 | gnarface | _joey: said program might be your window manager if its kde or gnome |
| 05:31.53 | _joey | gnarface: I don't what created it. It's on university host |
| 05:32.24 | ianthius | how do i restart sshd in debian? |
| 05:32.31 | itsnotabigtruck | sudo service ssh restart |
| 05:32.44 | gnarface | _joey: OH. as far as i know it might be something they made themselves. you might want to ask them |
| 05:32.56 | gnarface | _joey: you're connecting remotely via shell only? no gui? |
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| 05:33.21 | _joey | after they files were removed? Yes, I was logged via ssh |
| 05:33.24 | itsnotabigtruck | _joey: if you're not sure you better tar up trash first |
| 05:33.30 | alteregod | ok those alias starts nice 19 if unrar starts.. sounds maybe logic |
| 05:33.30 | _joey | in the lab it's GUI |
| 05:33.31 | ianthius | itsnotabigtruck, how is it that restarting sshd doesn't boot me off current ssh sessions? |
| 05:33.43 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: because openssh forks for each connection |
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| 05:33.53 | _joey | there may be alias in bashrc that copies deleted files in .Trash |
| 05:33.54 | itsnotabigtruck | restarting sshd only restarts the main process that accepts connections |
| 05:33.55 | _joey | I should check |
| 05:33.55 | arghx | _joey: you need to restore them via GUI again, in the desktop environment you deleted them |
| 05:34.05 | gnarface | alteregod: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 05:34.08 | yagoo | ianthius, that's normal.. it's used for convenience just in case |
| 05:34.11 | arghx | _joey: no there isn't |
| 05:34.12 | itsnotabigtruck | which is very fortunate, otherwise testing new ssh configs would really suck |
| 05:34.15 | alteregod | i added the alias to bashrc |
| 05:34.22 | itsnotabigtruck | if your ssh config is broken, ssh stops and doesn't come back |
| 05:35.07 | gnarface | alteregod: did it work? |
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| 05:35.22 | alteregod | i have to wait till the programm calls urnar |
| 05:35.37 | _joey | arghx: I didn't used GUI when the files were deleted |
| 05:35.53 | _joey | tcsh is used |
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| 05:36.56 | _joey | I can ask administrator to restore $HOME from the last backup, it could take time to organise it |
| 05:36.58 | gnarface | alteregod: if the program was already running, you will need to make sure the shell in which it runs is freshly initialized so that it inherits the alias, or else you will have to also manually run alias unrar='nice 19 unrar' at the command-line before starting the program in that shell |
| 05:37.13 | ianthius | yagoo, itsnotabigtruck, not questioning the usefulness just curious about the implementation :) |
| 05:37.41 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: see the part about forking |
| 05:37.46 | yagoo | ianthius, it's been like that for years |
| 05:37.59 | itsnotabigtruck | if you fire up htop, you'll see there's a master ssh process and a slave ssh process for each session |
| 05:38.14 | itsnotabigtruck | restarting ssh restarts only the master |
| 05:38.17 | ianthius | itsnotabigtruck, yeah, saw that |
| 05:38.29 | itsnotabigtruck | btw if you don't have htop installed, do that, it's awesome |
| 05:39.21 | ianthius | itsnotabigtruck, yeah, i don't, installing now. |
| 05:39.32 | ianthius | i only see ssd in the process list |
| 05:39.38 | ianthius | *sshd |
| 05:39.42 | ianthius | what is the name of the slave? |
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| 05:40.33 | itsnotabigtruck | ianthius: over here i have /usr/sbin/sshd, which spawned sshd: username [priv] |
| 05:40.34 | ianthius | nm i see them with htop |
| 05:40.41 | itsnotabigtruck | use f5 to put it in tree mode |
| 05:40.42 | ianthius | htop rocks |
| 05:41.42 | kb3ien | well that make will be at it all night. is there a current way to build a single module quickly? |
| 05:42.39 | kb3ien | uptime |
| 05:42.56 | itsnotabigtruck | kb3ien: dkms maybe? |
| 05:43.26 | alteregod | no psk31 |
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| 05:48.35 | arghx | go into the subdir of the kernel module and run make there only. |
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| 05:51.08 | xwalk | I've finally had it. After trying workaround upon workaround I'm just going to ask; Is there anyway to change the background of gdm3 in Squeeze? |
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| 05:51.59 | itsnotabigtruck | xwalk: you can't set themes? |
| 05:52.12 | civillian | xwalk: you mean the logon background? |
| 05:52.33 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.khattam.info/howto-change-gdm-3-theme-and-wallpaper-2010-11-14.html |
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| 05:52.48 | itsnotabigtruck | i haven't messed with them for a long time but gdm themes used to be the shiznit |
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| 05:54.35 | xwalk | civillian: Yes, exactly.' |
| 05:55.19 | kb3ien | i was thinking build just ip_gre without all of the kernel. |
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| 05:57.01 | mah454 | Hello .. |
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| 05:57.14 | mah454 | in pidgin How can send message to all body ? |
| 05:57.16 | xwalk | civillian: The theme part was no problem. I executed a command that brought an appearance GUI up at login and then changed the theme without an issue. It would not however change the background. I tried changing both /usr/share/gdm/greeter-config/20_debian and /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults to reflect the background I wanted to use, but no changes |
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| 05:57.50 | xwalk | Those two files are linked as well, but changing either of them had no effect. |
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| 06:38.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how would i search in aptitude for a specif type of game? like cromium? |
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| 06:38.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | a shooter fighter game.. |
| 06:38.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a way to do cataegories? |
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| 06:45.33 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: game genres? i doubt debian's package system goes into that much resolution on subcategories of application types |
| 06:46.07 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: you could always try pattern-based searching to look for keywords in the description though |
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| 06:48.45 | mvv | well i'd check out |
| 06:48.51 | mvv | $ debtags tagsearch game |
| 06:49.16 | mvv | i'm not sure what that falls into...but say if it was fps |
| 06:49.33 | mvv | $ debtags search game::fps |
| 06:49.36 | gnarface | chromium is not fps |
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| 06:49.55 | mvv | irrelevant to my example |
| 06:51.51 | mvv | $ debtags show chromium-bsu # it's already tagged in as somewhat generic game::arcade |
| 06:52.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 06:52.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 06:52.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | thanks |
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| 06:56.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i am looking for something like chromium and powermanga, but not as hard a chromium lol |
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| 07:04.41 | jokar | all: |
| 07:04.43 | jokar | hello |
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| 07:07.30 | jokar | babilen: hi |
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| 07:08.40 | skypent | Complete beginner in debian. I have a usb wifi device which has drivers available for linux. I've unzipped the .bz2 file and copied it to my desktop, because I don't really know what to do with it. The only thing close enough to help me has been a page stating to install network-manager-gnome (which is not a package found on my system or boot cd). Anyone know a way I can connect my box to a damn wifi network. |
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| 07:12.26 | arghx | skypent: what wlan device is it? what chip? |
| 07:13.31 | gnarface | skypent: chances are you're doing it the hard way |
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| 07:13.47 | gnarface | skypent: but you DO need to get the specific make & model of your wifi device |
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| 07:14.31 | arghx | skypent: and which debian install cd are you using? |
| 07:14.47 | skypent | One moment while I grab the information. |
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| 07:15.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i found another one hehe criticalmass is cool |
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| 07:18.18 | ianthius | so what is the final word? iptables or ipchains? |
| 07:19.01 | ianthius | so iptables is the new deal right? |
| 07:19.02 | arghx | ianthius: ipchains isn't supported since kernel 2.4.0 anymore. 10 years ago? |
| 07:19.09 | gnarface | ianthius: iptables definitely |
| 07:19.24 | ianthius | ahh, gotcha |
| 07:19.34 | ianthius | i was a linux sysadmin in college |
| 07:19.38 | ianthius | been a while :) |
| 07:19.43 | skypent | debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso | RT2070/RT3070 (not sure which) chipset | Ralink |
| 07:20.01 | gnarface | ianthius: you will like iptables better but not much |
| 07:20.14 | skypent | arghx : that's the file I burned to disc |
| 07:20.30 | arghx | !tell skypent about rt2800usb |
| 07:21.16 | arghx | skypent: so you need firmware and wpasupplicant package from CD1 |
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| 07:23.35 | skypent | arghx : ...will I be able to follow those same terminal commands they provide to do this? |
| 07:23.35 | Dewi | ianthius: I recommend shorewall, you basically define zones in some config files and it generates iptables for you |
| 07:23.57 | arghx | which commands? |
| 07:24.00 | Dewi | ianthius: because of it I've barely touched iptables directly since the ipchains days myself... |
| 07:24.21 | arghx | skypent: debian kernel already has the driver for your wlan minus the proprietary firmware which you can get from non-free repos |
| 07:24.28 | ianthius | Dewi, cool, thanks for the hint |
| 07:24.31 | ianthius | looks good |
| 07:25.00 | arghx | skypent: have you made sure the driver (whichever you use right now) works? |
| 07:26.22 | mvv | christ i remember ipchains |
| 07:27.32 | skypent | arghx : I don't understand how I would go about doing that. If your asking if it has worked... I was able to use it on an ubuntu and windows os. |
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| 07:28.41 | arghx | skypent: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta#Squeeze |
| 07:29.38 | arghx | since you have no network access from your debian right now download the ralink firmware from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ralink and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 07:30.11 | arghx | the wireless-tools and the wpasupplicant package are on your CD1 but you can download them from packages.debian.org too if you want to |
| 07:30.41 | mvv | just has a long long ethernet cable |
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| 07:31.12 | arghx | if all is installed, check if you have a ra0 device with iwconfig and then do a iwlist ra0 scanning to check if you see the AP(s). then follow http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK to connect to your AP |
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| 07:32.31 | skypent | arghx : thanks, looking up everything you said atm. |
| 07:33.18 | arghx | skypent: if you encounter problems, please tell us what step/command you are currently on and what the result/error of your command then is |
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| 07:33.41 | arghx | makes it easier for us and faster for you to help you |
| 07:33.43 | skypent | arghx : alright, thanks for the time and help. |
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| 07:55.03 | xteensx | watch the best porn |
| 07:55.03 | xteensx | http://xteensx.info |
| 07:55.03 | xteensx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:57.21 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 08:06.06 | SuperPhly | Hey guys, I'm a 12 year linux hobbyist and I've been using debian since around 1997... |
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| 08:06.31 | SuperPhly | I've got a couple of very very basic questions that somehow I have never been able to answer |
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| 08:06.58 | dwfreed | SuperPhly: ask, and we might be able to answer them |
| 08:07.03 | SuperPhly | It has to do with figuring out file permissions for services like munin |
| 08:07.14 | SuperPhly | munin wants to drop some reports into /var/www/munin |
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| 08:07.29 | mvv | ok. |
| 08:07.37 | SuperPhly | where are the permissions for that directory supposed to be found? |
| 08:07.43 | SuperPhly | like, are they documented anywhere? |
| 08:08.15 | SuperPhly | i always feel like i'm out on my own when i start chown/chmod'ing things |
| 08:08.20 | mvv | probably unintentionally in the package |
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| 08:08.39 | SuperPhly | well, the thing is, it drops them into /var/cache/munin/www by default |
| 08:08.47 | dwfreed | SuperPhly: the permissions on that dir should probably be munin:www-data rwxr-xr-x |
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| 08:11.39 | psteyn | Anyone know how I give a user sudo access, but that access should ONLY work at a _physical_ terminal, ie. not work over ssh |
| 08:12.41 | mvv | sure |
| 08:13.22 | mvv | sudo has it's own pam file, you can use the relevent pam modules to achieve what you want |
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| 08:14.15 | ianthius | i installed apache and it spawned almost 20 something processes in htop |
| 08:14.18 | ianthius | is that normal? |
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| 08:14.41 | mvv | ianthius: sure |
| 08:15.00 | ianthius | mvv, why so many? |
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| 08:15.37 | arghx | 20 is a bit excessive unless you have a really busy site, but they take almost no ressources each so no worries. it's so apache can serve more than one request at a time |
| 08:15.44 | mvv | check out your apache conf, for some reason the number 16 feels familar, the defaults are what they are |
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| 08:19.38 | ianthius | how much is a decent amount of memory for a webserver? |
| 08:19.57 | ianthius | i have 307 mb will that do? |
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| 08:21.46 | mvv | ianthius: it's plenty, though it all depends on what you want to do |
| 08:22.00 | arghx | for a webserver this is fine. for a webapp that has a database backend however... |
| 08:22.31 | mvv | psteyn: hmmm, on further investigation maybe it's not so easy :( |
| 08:22.54 | mvv | there are much lighter/faster web servers than apache if you're doing static content, like thttpd |
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| 08:23.51 | mvv | [+more secure] |
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| 08:24.31 | ianthius | arghx, are you saying this wouldn't be enough memory to run a sql server? or something of that nature? |
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| 08:25.05 | mvv | oh no...this is starting to sound like a LAMP stack... |
| 08:26.27 | SuperPhly | alright, so this is where i dont get how debian web apps install |
| 08:26.31 | Meier | db on the webserver-host, great idea! |
| 08:26.51 | arghx | Meier: not everyone wants to run a 2nd facebook |
| 08:27.11 | SuperPhly | in my log file, i'm getting errors for /var/cache/munin/www, yet no where in my sites-enabled/* files does it reference /var/cache* |
| 08:27.25 | arghx | SuperPhly: symlink? |
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| 08:28.09 | SuperPhly | nope, i created a directory and gave it munin:www-data 755 |
| 08:28.12 | ianthius | merier, I don't have the resources to run two servers |
| 08:28.29 | SuperPhly | There is some place that apache is reading for these apps |
| 08:28.33 | ianthius | * Meier |
| 08:28.35 | SuperPhly | some mapping |
| 08:28.49 | arghx | SuperPhly: a symlink under /var/www ? |
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| 08:29.07 | arghx | if not. grep for cache/munin or such in /etc |
| 08:30.14 | arghx | ianthius: a LAMP stack can still fit in 307MB, it all depends how busy your site is and how big |
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| 08:30.47 | ianthius | arghx, what is a LAMP stack? |
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| 08:31.05 | sauvin | Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP. |
| 08:31.05 | arghx | !lamp |
| 08:31.05 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 08:32.55 | ianthius | awesome, thanks! |
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| 08:36.10 | arghx | ianthius: for a small site, you might look into lighttpd and php fastcgi |
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| 08:36.35 | ianthius | php seperate from fastcgi? |
| 08:36.43 | ianthius | or are they together? |
| 08:36.53 | ianthius | can i use python in place of php? |
| 08:36.59 | lamah | php |
| 08:37.30 | arghx | ianthius: what do you want to do with your webserver? |
| 08:38.02 | ianthius | i am making a website, yes i will need code behind |
| 08:38.09 | ianthius | no i don't know what i am doing |
| 08:38.12 | ianthius | :P |
| 08:38.13 | ianthius | lol |
| 08:38.41 | jelly-home | ianthius: sure, you can use python as server-side language |
| 08:39.06 | jelly-home | ianthius: says so in the docs? http://docs.python.org/howto/webservers.html |
| 08:39.09 | ianthius | but i think i would rather learn python instead of php, but i assume one cannot directly replace the other, seems php is used everywhere |
| 08:39.53 | ianthius | i believe i will want a database as i want the content to be portable and what not |
| 08:39.55 | jelly-home | there are well known web frameworks in python |
| 08:39.59 | arghx | with python you usually want to use a framework and that determines what webserver you use |
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| 08:40.25 | ianthius | cool, what are the popular frameworks? |
| 08:40.35 | arghx | ianthius: database access is fine with either. main thing for php is that every sharedhoster supports it. python is harder to find by available too |
| 08:41.01 | arghx | please ask#python that. they know better |
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| 08:41.12 | arghx | s/by/but/ |
| 08:41.40 | ianthius | eventually i will open a store of sorts, but the first project is a simple online interface with bitcoind |
| 08:41.52 | purpleoptic | lol |
| 08:42.05 | ianthius | purpleoptic, you laugh in the face of bitcoin? |
| 08:42.06 | ianthius | :P |
| 08:42.52 | purpleoptic | yeah bitcoin is a joke |
| 08:43.04 | purpleoptic | anyway thats not related to debian |
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| 08:43.08 | ianthius | nope |
| 08:43.25 | ianthius | i am also not offended, you may laugh |
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| 08:43.40 | ianthius | i am purely in this at the hobby level |
| 08:43.47 | SuperPhly | ok, figured this out |
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| 08:44.03 | SuperPhly | there's a apache.conf file in /etc/munin |
| 08:44.11 | SuperPhly | that sets up the alias |
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| 08:44.19 | SuperPhly | but i can't figure out how it's being refrenced |
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| 08:46.27 | ianthius | arghx, so essentially for this first project i need to take a user inputed string from the website and get it into another process running on the server, i assume i need some server side code to do this |
| 08:46.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | 15~[15~ |
| 08:47.07 | ianthius | so i was thinking apache -> php / python -> other process |
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| 08:47.41 | SuperPhly | nvm, figured it out. |
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| 08:48.18 | ianthius | arghx, when you say shared hoster, are you refering to open source web server suites? |
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| 08:50.18 | ianthius | arghx, nevermind, i think i get it, you are just refering to a hosting company. I don't need one because I have a vps running debian 6 |
| 08:50.43 | mvv | ianthius: i'd definitely go with python :) |
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| 08:53.30 | ianthius | mvv, cool. Would you suggest lighttpd? |
| 08:53.45 | ianthius | does that play well with python? |
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| 08:54.05 | mvv | nfi. |
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| 08:54.39 | mvv | python standard lib has http libraries, so in order to do your first project you could do it with just python |
| 08:55.00 | mvv | around about 20 lines i'd say |
| 08:55.17 | ianthius | python has a httpd? |
| 08:56.02 | mvv | well, yeah. [python -m |
| 08:56.05 | ianthius | the user of the site needs to enter a string in a text mox |
| 08:56.05 | mvv | woops |
| 08:56.25 | ianthius | i don't need to scrape a string from an already exisitng site |
| 08:56.31 | mvv | python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8888 will server up the cwd |
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| 08:56.46 | ianthius | oh |
| 08:56.47 | ianthius | wow |
| 08:56.55 | ianthius | okay, is that secure? |
| 08:56.58 | ianthius | crazy |
| 08:57.13 | ianthius | lol, why is python shipping a webserver in the box :) |
| 08:57.21 | ianthius | i guess it's useful |
| 08:57.25 | jokar | all: |
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| 08:57.31 | jokar | hello |
| 08:57.36 | mvv | http://fragments.turtlemeat.com/pythonwebserver.php might give you an idea |
| 08:57.49 | jokar | i wanna become a package developer or maintainer |
| 08:58.03 | jokar | how contact with package leader or etc |
| 08:58.04 | jokar | ? |
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| 08:58.12 | ianthius | mvv, alrighty, thanks. Headed to bed. |
| 08:58.26 | mvv | jokar: ahh, this kind of thing is documented |
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| 08:59.41 | themill | jokar: didn't we say yesterday that running "wnpp-alert" or "rc-alert" and sending patches to the appropriate bugs was the best place to start? |
| 09:00.48 | jokar | is it command? |
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| 09:02.56 | simonlnu | ianthius: they've done that for a while... you can even browse the docs that way. spawns an httpd on localhost |
| 09:03.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: rc-alert makes me scared |
| 09:03.42 | simonlnu | !comfort Kamping_Kaiser |
| 09:03.42 | dpkg | There, there, Kamping_Kaiser. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:03.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | aw, thanks |
| 09:03.58 | simonlnu | *g* |
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| 09:04.03 | tvm | jokar: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
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| 09:20.29 | skilz | Hey just wondering why after installing googleearth for the fist time on this system the font is all screwed up monospaced "l i k e t h i s" |
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| 09:22.13 | mvv | call google |
| 09:22.53 | mvv | [unless googleearth fits the DFSG] |
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| 09:23.55 | SuperPhly | hey guys, if i create a raid array upon fresh install on a brand new box with dual 1TB matching HDD's... would it take 3 hours to build the array? |
| 09:24.23 | SuperPhly | i was thinking that since it was a virgin system and i created the raid1 array at install, it would be completely sync'd from the get go |
| 09:24.25 | SuperPhly | is that not true? |
| 09:24.29 | SuperPhly | (software raid) |
| 09:25.26 | mvv | man mdadm, --assume-clean |
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| 09:26.01 | mvv | tbh its not a big deal if it syncs, the sync can be throttled so it doesn't saturate your IO |
| 09:26.16 | SuperPhly | how's that done? |
| 09:26.22 | SuperPhly | because man, it's locking the whole system up |
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| 09:27.06 | SuperPhly | well, i just wanted to make sure it's doing what is expected. these are new drives, i wasn't sure if maybe that 2nd drive failed or something and it was autorebuilding |
| 09:28.27 | mvv | googling for limit mdadm sync got me a promising answer |
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| 09:28.49 | mvv | cat /proc/mdstat if you're wondering what's going on |
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| 09:29.27 | baccenfutter | yeah... so where do I configure the number of desktops on this fancy new windowmanager on debian testing? |
| 09:29.45 | mvv | baccenfutter: oh, what WM is it? |
| 09:29.53 | mvv | waves around e17 |
| 09:30.13 | baccenfutter | kinda reminds me of unity, but it seems to be something else |
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| 09:30.18 | mvv | ah |
| 09:30.32 | baccenfutter | just rolled in with updates and I really wasn't expecting this major change just before starting to work |
| 09:31.10 | arghx | you run testing on a work machine, that's what you get |
| 09:31.26 | baccenfutter | it feels very nice and worked right out of the box, but I need more virtual desktops for productivity |
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| 09:32.34 | baccenfutter | arghx: I am not complaining in any way, I am just trying to find out where I can adjust settings in the new environment |
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| 09:33.17 | mvv | would apt-mirror run under solaris? it is written in perl |
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| 09:33.25 | mvv | [or at least appears to be] |
| 09:33.40 | mvv | dumbass question....It works on all POSIX compliant systems with perl and wget |
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| 09:33.49 | arghx | baccenfutter: maybe find out what you actually run? |
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| 09:35.09 | zophy | they were talking about jimmy page on CNN, anyone know what the story is ? |
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| 09:38.02 | baccenfutter | whoa this is absolutly amazing |
| 09:38.14 | ershad | Hi, could you please tell me how at add new packages to existing debian installer CD? |
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| 09:39.07 | arghx | !tell ershad about custom cd |
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| 09:41.54 | ershad | arghx, Thanks. I checked those links, but I would like to add new packages that are not in actually mirror |
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| 09:42.56 | arghx | ershad: do you have a .deb? |
| 09:43.01 | ershad | arghx, I'm trying to configure debian auto installer which installs some additions custom packages too. I've its deb files, I'm looking for ways to get them installed during debian installation |
| 09:43.11 | ershad | arghx, yes |
| 09:43.17 | arghx | then read the page dpkg gave you |
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| 09:43.49 | ershad | arghx, ok :) |
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| 09:44.10 | arghx | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD tells you to make a list of the packages you want in your CD, including the new ones you want from your freshly made debian mirror |
| 09:44.42 | ershad | arghx, Found that in page. Thanks a lot :) |
| 09:45.03 | arghx | ershad: simple-cdd might be enough for you however |
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| 09:46.31 | ershad | arghx, yeah, trying that too. |
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| 09:48.26 | ershad | arghx, I've two basic doubts. 1. Simple-cdd follows the same method of editing 'preseed.cfg', right? |
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| 09:48.42 | arghx | no clue :) |
| 09:48.44 | rookie223 | Hi anyone alive here ? :) |
| 09:48.53 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/649306/ <- how can I fix this? |
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| 09:49.09 | arghx | but the preseeding part in the wiki article seems to agree with you |
| 09:49.34 | arghx | aminpy: it clearly tells you what to do. do it |
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| 09:49.43 | ershad | arghx, Ah, second doubts is well documented there. Thank you :) |
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| 09:50.23 | aminpy | arghx, I installed virtualbox-ose-dkms and linux headers |
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| 09:50.52 | rookie223 | i've installed a WU-FTPD server, have anonymous account setup when i go to ftp://abcd.com it shows nothing? |
| 09:51.04 | rookie223 | but i can still open ftp://abcd.com/test.txt |
| 09:51.18 | rookie223 | issue is no files or directories are displayed |
| 09:51.20 | rookie223 | any help please. |
| 09:52.01 | aminpy | arghx, http://dpaste.com/649308/ |
| 09:52.15 | pbase | I can't run bluetooth on my laptop. to enable it I always need to login windows 7 first, enable the bluetooth adapter and then it starts to work in debian, but again for a single session. how do I solve this? have been searching for for a long time now.. any solutions? |
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| 09:52.45 | aminpy | arghx, http://dpaste.com/649309/ |
| 09:54.00 | mvv | holyshit xxxterm is an awesome browser |
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| 09:54.25 | arghx | aminpy: have you installed the vbox dkms package? |
| 09:54.32 | rookie223 | any help here? |
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| 09:54.47 | arghx | rookie223: why wu-ftpd exactly? |
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| 09:55.09 | rookie223 | thought it was a good ftp server? not an expert really :) |
| 09:55.11 | arghx | rookie223: I suggest you use vfstpd or proftpd or such |
| 09:55.12 | aminpy | arghx, yes I installed dkms and virtualbox |
| 09:55.21 | arghx | no it's not. history of security holes |
| 09:55.27 | rookie223 | hmm i think you're right, i'll uninstall this then. |
| 09:55.36 | arghx | aminpy: dpkg -l virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 09:56.13 | aminpy | arghx, http://dpaste.com/649310/ |
| 09:56.17 | arghx | rookie223: use vsftpd. easy and small. check /etc/vsftpd.conf to see where the directory for its files points to |
| 09:56.34 | rookie223 | ok will do, thankyou! |
| 09:56.51 | zophy | rookie223, obviously there is a directory listing option somewhere |
| 09:57.00 | rookie223 | wu-ftpd took me like whole day :) |
| 09:57.04 | zophy | obveeoosly |
| 09:57.15 | arghx | aminpy: /dev/vboxdrv exists? |
| 09:57.18 | rookie223 | zophy: very little documentation for wu-ftpd configuration as well |
| 09:57.37 | aminpy | arghx, doesn't exist |
| 09:57.53 | zophy | i saw this mongolian in a mcdonalds one time and his head was a foot wide |
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| 09:58.15 | rookie223 | zophy: who? :p |
| 09:58.21 | zophy | super human ninja corporation security |
| 09:58.28 | arghx | aminpy: dpkg -l virtualbox-dkms ? dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms |
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| 09:59.35 | aminpy | arghx, http://dpaste.com/649313/ |
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| 10:00.43 | zophy | i can't find a source for yak milk |
| 10:00.50 | arghx | aminpy: do less pastebin spamming and more error message reading. I will not forcefeed you here |
| 10:01.17 | arghx | zophy: please take your drunken ramblings elsewhere where it's not OT. ##yak maybe |
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| 10:01.19 | aminpy | sorry |
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| 10:02.22 | arghx | so check the logfile and fix it. you run a bleeding edge software so you obviously know debian very well and can fix simple problems like this on your own |
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| 10:04.53 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
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| 10:05.09 | kristian-aalborg | I forgot how to get an extra kernel |
| 10:06.04 | arghx | just install the kernel you want. normally you get a new entry for it in your grub menu |
| 10:06.17 | kristian-aalborg | via aptitude? |
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| 10:11.02 | arghx | yes. what different kernel do you want exactly? |
| 10:11.10 | arghx | e.g. why do you need a new kernel? |
| 10:11.31 | arghx | apt-cache search linux-image lets you see which kernels are available |
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| 10:12.09 | kristian-aalborg | I have some issues with wifi and power management... when I google the error msgs, I get "kernel answers", so I want to see what happens with another one |
| 10:12.36 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, that only lists different versions of my current kernel - should I add something to sources.list? |
| 10:12.39 | arghx | what kernel do you have right now? and what cpu/wlan chip? |
| 10:12.44 | rookie223 | arghx: thankyou for advising vsftpd.. its really cool, saved me a day! |
| 10:12.47 | rookie223 | thanks, bye! |
| 10:13.09 | arghx | uname -r for the kernel version and lspci for the wlan chip and cat /proc/cpuinfo for the cpu |
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| 10:14.38 | mcnz | Hi, I'm having troubles with sudo. I only know of the visudo tool to edit the configuration, is the correct way to be configuring sudo? Also in that file I have, %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL. I've added the user to the group using usermod -G sudo <user> but sudo still doesn't seem to be working . Is the % a comment or something? |
| 10:15.22 | zophy | eh |
| 10:16.06 | mvv | mcnz: if the user types groups does it show sudo? |
| 10:16.22 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 10:16.43 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: and what cpu? |
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| 10:16.48 | zophy | it doesn't have to show sudoers |
| 10:16.55 | zophy | sudo |
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| 10:17.06 | mcnz | mvv: No its still not in the sudo group |
| 10:17.19 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: what cpu do you have? |
| 10:17.26 | mvv | mcnz: get them to type newgrp sudo and then try |
| 10:17.34 | mvv | mcnz: failing that, they should relogin |
| 10:17.41 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: the -486 kernel is the installer kernel with support for only 1GB memory, no dualcore support, etc |
| 10:17.57 | nb-ben | hello, when running debian with xen, i am unable to startx (it also doesn't let me switch ttys -- computer completely stuck) |
| 10:18.02 | nb-ben | does anyone know what this might be? |
| 10:18.17 | arghx | nb-ben: domu? |
| 10:18.23 | nb-ben | dom0 |
| 10:18.31 | mvv | arghx: 4GB?! |
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| 10:18.46 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, P1 :D |
| 10:18.49 | mvv | erm, i meant to type 1 |
| 10:18.50 | arghx | mvv: the 486 kernel only has support for 1GB (or it always had) |
| 10:19.02 | mvv | ah |
| 10:19.09 | nb-ben | everything works perfectly fine except startx |
| 10:19.17 | nb-ben | i even get nice console display |
| 10:19.18 | kristian-aalborg | so in that regard, the kernel is the right one |
| 10:19.23 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: for a pentium, -486 kernel should be alright. only PPro and PII and later are 686 |
| 10:19.37 | zophy | mcnz, i put username All=(ALL) All in my /etc/sudoers file |
| 10:19.46 | kristian-aalborg | I think my weird pcmcia wifi card is called INTERSIL |
| 10:20.01 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: lspcmcia or lspci should show it |
| 10:20.12 | arghx | intersil is prism I think |
| 10:20.12 | kristian-aalborg | it's 0x0156 0x0002 |
| 10:20.18 | babilen | zophy: That is not necessary as adding users to the sudo group has the same effect. |
| 10:20.28 | mcnz | Yeah, the sudo group just needed to be created. Sorted :) |
| 10:20.33 | kristian-aalborg | vendor/ card |
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| 10:20.59 | kristian-aalborg | but, I can't get apm working, and my wifi has been a hell setting up |
| 10:21.17 | kristian-aalborg | it also lists two interfaces when there is only one... wlan0 and wifi0 |
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| 10:21.27 | babilen | mcnz: Which version of Debian is this? What was it installed as? |
| 10:21.44 | mcnz | babilen: debian 6.0 on a linode |
| 10:21.59 | kristian-aalborg | an alt kernel would be nice to see what happens |
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| 10:23.06 | babilen | mcnz: You shouldn't need to create the sudo group manually on squeeze |
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| 10:23.44 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 |
| 10:24.27 | babilen | mcnz: The group is created in sudo's postinst script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.postinst), so I wonder what went wrong on your system. |
| 10:24.29 | mcnz | babilen: My only guess is that its something todo with linodes debian installation? |
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| 10:24.38 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: see how it needs firmware which is not included in debian. either the URL listed there or sometimes you can use windows firmware (coming with the windows drivers for the chip) |
| 10:24.52 | baccenfutter | ?nickloff |
| 10:24.54 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: APM and ACPI are always a PITA |
| 10:24.58 | baccenfutter | erm... yeah |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | mcnz: Might be, curious though. Raises the question what else is not as it should be :) |
| 10:25.28 | mcnz | babilen: Yeah, I'll look into it |
| 10:25.49 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: you can install a lenny kernel from packages.debian.org (oldstable). newer kernels than squeeze won't improve spport for hardware as old as yours :) |
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| 10:27.03 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: how much RAM does this P1 have? cause it might be that other distros which specialize in old hardware like puppy linux or damnsmallinux are better suited: they run faster since they optimize for low RAM usage |
| 10:27.19 | arghx | they often support the old WLANs better too |
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| 10:29.31 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, 128 mb |
| 10:29.44 | kristian-aalborg | I recently put squeeze on a p2 w/ 99 mb |
| 10:29.55 | arghx | ok, that's borderline. with a lean windowmanager it will run fine, just no gnome/kde :( |
| 10:30.05 | kristian-aalborg | there's no X at all |
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| 10:30.21 | kristian-aalborg | I use it for ssh and light editing |
| 10:30.38 | arghx | have you tried the firmware link? |
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| 10:35.02 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, simply adding p54pci to /etc/modules seems to help, thanks |
| 10:37.49 | kristian-aalborg | interstingly, I still get two interfaces though |
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| 10:38.01 | kristian-aalborg | but no more errors when I start the network |
| 10:38.21 | arghx | one often does. a "master" and the real wlan interface |
| 10:38.55 | kristian-aalborg | ah, I still get the "failed to load p80211.ko" error |
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| 10:39.54 | cYmen_ | I just updated a machine and now ldap doesn't work anymore. Is there a way to get a list of recently applied updates? |
| 10:39.56 | kristian-aalborg | but fewer errors than before |
| 10:40.35 | arghx | cYmen_: /var/log/aptitude* /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/. mainly the two latter |
| 10:40.37 | kristian-aalborg | the thing is that wifi kinda sorta worked... so I thought there was no need for extra firmware |
| 10:41.20 | arghx | with old chips like these, it can sorta work but not fully and a new firmware makes it work properly. typical old thinkpad problem for example |
| 10:41.26 | cYmen_ | arghx: thanks |
| 10:41.34 | arghx | the trick is the get the proper firmware which can be non-trivial |
| 10:41.43 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:770 << this box |
| 10:42.11 | kristian-aalborg | ah, that was a good guess |
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| 10:49.37 | ksk | hey |
| 10:49.41 | guzu | hello all |
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| 10:50.01 | ksk | packages "moreutils" says it has "chronic" included - but it has not? why? :> |
| 10:50.07 | guzu | is there a debian live/rescue cd which can be used to recover an arm system? |
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| 10:50.46 | arghx | guzu: ARM bootloaders are funky. I doubt it |
| 10:51.20 | themill | ksk: it only claims that for wheezy and sid |
| 10:51.28 | guzu | arghx, the bootloader is not a problem :) i only need the file system, actually |
| 10:51.32 | kristian-aalborg | ksk, stay off the chronic |
| 10:51.34 | ksk | themill: just found it :> thanks |
| 10:51.39 | nsadmin | guzu, how did you install debian? |
| 10:51.48 | guzu | nsadmin, i didn't |
| 10:51.55 | arghx | guzu: I don't know of any arm live cd. use the filesystem from somewhere else. can bochs emulate ARM? |
| 10:52.02 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, do you enjoy vintage hardware? |
| 10:52.27 | guzu | arghx, thank you very much |
| 10:52.30 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: no. I enjoy fast bleeding edge hardware but my purse disagrees :) |
| 10:52.39 | guzu | i'll try geexbox and see if it will be enough |
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| 10:53.14 | arghx | guzu: as soon as you have a kernel booting, you can point root= to your current ARM filesystem? |
| 10:53.57 | guzu | arghx, the problem is that the partitions are broken and attempts to mount it form the original distro ends in system reboot :) |
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| 10:54.15 | arghx | then I wish you good luck |
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| 10:57.37 | kristian-aalborg | hurm, I now have hostap_cs AND p54pci loaded, proper? |
| 10:57.42 | nsadmin | guzu is there a spare machine of the same type?" |
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| 10:58.10 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: probably yes |
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| 10:59.04 | kristian-aalborg | okay, I'm off... see ya later, thanks for helping out |
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| 11:09.04 | guzu | nsadmin, no |
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| 11:12.14 | Joemanji | hi everyone! |
| 11:12.39 | Joemanji | please check out this site http://www.ufoinuae.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:12.55 | petemc | no spam |
| 11:13.12 | Joemanji | this is not spam |
| 11:13.25 | themill | Joemanji: it is. Go away. |
| 11:13.35 | Joemanji | it is my blog |
| 11:13.39 | konverguoju | how come it's not spam? is it an advertisement? |
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| 11:14.58 | boudiccas | jordanm; how is it related to debain? do you have a debain related problem? if not, please take ti to #debain-offtopic |
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| 11:16.22 | baccenfutter | ops++ |
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| 11:22.16 | fasta | I add a network printer and cupsd already uses 60% CPU for more than a minute?! |
| 11:22.48 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Can you see the printer in cups? |
| 11:23.20 | dym | Im having a problem: my CAPI initialization tried to allocate a major for the capi dev thats already used by a sd device - how can i go on and fix this? |
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| 11:24.25 | fasta | EmleyMoor: yes |
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| 11:24.34 | fasta | EmleyMoor: I cannot see how it is connected, though. |
| 11:24.35 | vdv | hi all |
| 11:24.40 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Does it have any jobs queued? |
| 11:24.44 | fasta | EmleyMoor: no |
| 11:24.57 | petn-randall | Hi everyone, can somebody point me to documentation what fsck.ext3 does in detail? |
| 11:24.58 | vdv | should entries in changelog file of the deb package be in descending or ascending order? |
| 11:25.01 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Have you tried restarting cups? |
| 11:25.26 | fasta | EmleyMoor: yes |
| 11:25.43 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Does it still hammer the CPU if you do? |
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| 11:26.44 | fasta | EmleyMoor: it stopped hammering the CPU after I killed some Gnome thingie. |
| 11:27.00 | fasta | EmleyMoor: but the task (adding the printer) has not been completed. |
| 11:27.24 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Right - what kind of printer? |
| 11:27.44 | fasta | EmleyMoor: Dell 3115cn |
| 11:27.55 | themill | vdv: newest changelog is at the top. Use dch (or debchange) to edit the file. |
| 11:28.48 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Does it show up if you do a "Find New Printers" from the Administration page? |
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| 11:29.48 | fasta | EmleyMoor: it lists the usb interface, not the network interface. |
| 11:30.06 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Is the printer connected by USB? |
| 11:30.10 | fasta | EmleyMoor: I connected it via multiple ways, because of arcane reasons. |
| 11:30.12 | fasta | EmleyMoor: yes |
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| 11:30.34 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Try disconnecting the USB |
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| 11:31.29 | fasta | EmleyMoor: no printers found. |
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| 11:31.44 | rical | Which init script iterates /etc/rcX.d/ ? |
| 11:31.44 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... it's not a printer I actually know... |
| 11:31.46 | fasta | EmleyMoor: when I used the GUI interface to find it, it did find the network interface. |
| 11:32.00 | fasta | EmleyMoor: it even showed a list of spool names. |
| 11:32.35 | EmleyMoor | fasta: Maybe you can add it manually using the "Add Printer" button? |
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| 11:33.12 | EmleyMoor | (as some kind of "Other Network Printer"?) |
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| 11:34.08 | fasta | EmleyMoor: I am back in the GUI again and it says that there are lots of queues. |
| 11:34.29 | fasta | EmleyMoor: like LPD/LPR queue 'PASSTRU', etc. |
| 11:34.37 | EmleyMoor | That GUI you're using is probably best avoided at this stage |
| 11:35.00 | fasta | EmleyMoor: other queue names are called ps, lp, PORT1, '', LPT0, etc. |
| 11:35.24 | fasta | EmleyMoor: does it matter which one I select? |
| 11:35.34 | EmleyMoor | You should be able to do this from the Administration page - click "Add Printer", then choose LPD/LPR host or printer, I should think |
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| 11:35.59 | EmleyMoor | Without knowing what they all are, that's what I would choose |
| 11:36.11 | nb-ben | when trying to startx, I get this error message: FATAL: module fbcon not found |
| 11:36.15 | nb-ben | is there anything I could do about it? |
| 11:36.42 | fasta | EmleyMoor: but that requires a queue as input. |
| 11:36.52 | fasta | EmleyMoor: and I don't know which queue to use. |
| 11:37.14 | fasta | Why can't a printer just print whatever it gets? :) |
| 11:37.15 | EmleyMoor | ... and I'm supposed to guess? |
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| 11:37.30 | fasta | EmleyMoor: no, but hwo should I know what to use? |
| 11:37.39 | fasta | EmleyMoor: I would also take a guess. |
| 11:37.47 | EmleyMoor | Hold on |
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| 11:38.14 | fasta | EmleyMoor: I think I already got it. |
| 11:38.22 | EmleyMoor | That printer is not on the database |
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| 11:40.02 | EmleyMoor | fasta: To be absolutely sure I'd need to see *all* the queues the printer has... |
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| 11:40.57 | aQute | hi guies i am facing a problem my mysql server does not automatically start on restart can somebody help me |
| 11:41.15 | EmleyMoor | Mostly, I would tend to choose ipp/http/lpr in that order, for a printer that supports them all |
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| 11:41.51 | nevyn | jetdirect from cups |
| 11:42.15 | EmleyMoor | JetDirect is good when supported, of course |
| 11:42.38 | dym | This is driving me crazy - How do i load my capi driver, before the sd devices are initialized? |
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| 11:43.13 | fasta | EmleyMoor: yes, my plan worked. |
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| 11:43.29 | fasta | EmleyMoor: jetdirect worked, btw. |
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| 11:44.07 | nsadmin | , file bin/a2jmidid |
| 11:44.12 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 11:44.31 | nsadmin | , file bin/a2jmidid --release unstable |
| 11:44.38 | judd | Search for bin/a2jmidid in sid/i386: a2jmidid: usr/bin/a2jmidid |
| 11:45.02 | nsadmin | , versions a2jmidid |
| 11:45.03 | judd | Package: a2jmidid on i386 -- sid: 7-3; wheezy: 7-3 |
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| 11:57.16 | fasta | When I configure my printer on another machine it says "Password for root on localhost?" I give it username root password <password which also works with su> and then it says I don't have the permissions to do so?! |
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| 11:57.49 | fasta | It says 'Not authorized. The password may be wrong. " |
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| 11:58.13 | fasta | I don't like it when itself doesn't know what is true and what is not. |
| 11:58.37 | fasta | Either the password is right or it is wrong. |
| 11:58.58 | fasta | If it is right, it should give another reason for it not working. |
| 12:00.28 | paul4 | hey, guys. why does my sond goes off from time to time? solve by closing programs that use it |
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| 12:02.37 | gnarface | paul4: your soundcard undoubedly is not capable of hardware mixing, and so only one program can have "hardware" playback access at once the rest have to mux in software or wait till that one program exits |
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| 12:03.49 | paul4 | gnarface, don't think I understood completely. I can play music in rhytmbox and videos in chrome at the same time |
| 12:04.03 | fasta | paul4: because you use pulse audio? |
| 12:04.09 | nevyn | that said the ootb dmix config should cover that up |
| 12:04.10 | nevyn | dmix |
| 12:04.54 | paul4 | fasta, dunno |
| 12:05.00 | paul4 | everything is default |
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| 12:05.06 | paul4 | new system, couple of weeks old |
| 12:05.18 | fasta | paul4: Squeeze? |
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| 12:05.26 | paul4 | yeah |
| 12:05.29 | paul4 | 6.0.3 |
| 12:05.33 | paul4 | Alsa mixer |
| 12:05.38 | nevyn | dmix |
| 12:05.40 | fasta | paul4: hmm, then no idea. Report a bug. |
| 12:05.42 | nevyn | not alsamixer |
| 12:06.01 | woshty | what does the +auto.master in /etc/auto.master mean? |
| 12:06.09 | fasta | paul4: for advanced alsa help, go to #alsa. |
| 12:06.24 | gnarface | paul4: assuming you're using still using alsa and only alsa (which is something to verify) then setting every program to use the 'default' audio device should work, although it might produce stuttering in some programs, which will need the 'hw' device instead but only one of those can be on at once |
| 12:07.00 | fasta | My problem seems to have been resolved, but there is definitely a bug there. |
| 12:07.05 | paul4 | that's not that big of a problem for bug reporting or bothering too much people :) thought, someone might know an easy way or something. thanks anyway :) |
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| 12:08.04 | gnarface | paul4: if what i just typed wasn't easy enough for you then i got nothing |
| 12:08.04 | arghx | there are tons of strangely different audio setups even when they all use the same audio chips by intel |
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| 12:09.27 | paul4 | gnarface, should I set the default device in programs or in system somewhere? |
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| 12:09.56 | dym | Can anyone tell me why the SD reserves so many majors in /proc/devices? |
| 12:09.59 | gnarface | paul4: sorry i'm afraid its program specific. |
| 12:10.15 | paul4 | gnarface, okay thanks :) |
| 12:11.09 | gnarface | np |
| 12:11.18 | arghx | dym: partially historical reasons. 0x80 following are the BIOS drive numbers. and you can have lots of drives, each one has its own major it seems |
| 12:11.46 | dym | arghx: thing is: its reserving 68, which /dev/capi also tries to and then fails. |
| 12:11.46 | arghx | 65 onwards are maybe from the scsi days |
| 12:11.57 | gnarface | paul4: a soundcard capable of actual hardware audio mixing (like any creative labs live! series card) would not have this particular problem |
| 12:12.32 | arghx | dym: and just creating it doesn't work? |
| 12:12.33 | dym | arghx: can i somehow either make CAPI load before sd initialization, or force sd not to allocate a particular major? |
| 12:12.59 | nevyn | arghx: the problem is they don't use the same audio chips by intel |
| 12:13.02 | dym | arghx: how would that work? |
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| 12:13.05 | arghx | I dunno. how does the CAPI api handle it normally? |
| 12:13.35 | arghx | nevyn: all intel chipsets do. different DAC tho I think. |
| 12:13.46 | nevyn | snd_intel_hda drives about a dozen different controllers hooked to many dozens of potential codec chips |
| 12:13.59 | nevyn | the intel in the driver name isn't true |
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| 12:14.03 | arghx | dym: yours shouldn't be the only CAPi device, right? is CAPI that deprecated now? |
| 12:14.18 | nevyn | arghx: it's a historical artifact. |
| 12:14.54 | arghx | my router still wants capi and then allows me to fax or phone with it (windows tho) |
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| 12:15.54 | dym | arghx: http://pastebin.com/ayXmwzB9 http://pastebin.com/6kW1TmLJ |
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| 12:21.34 | mvv | debian has the biggest software repo right? |
| 12:23.16 | jelly | mvv: when you account for all the architectures and all the releases present, it takes a good chunk of a 1TB disk |
| 12:25.09 | arghx | mvv: the biggest "main" repo of any distro, yes |
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| 12:25.27 | mvv | gentoo would be the only competition i can think of, not sure how many they have but they sometimes have stuff we don't |
| 12:25.54 | mvv | i'm trying to come up with business reasons to have a fatass debian repo |
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| 12:26.48 | mvv | [i'm getting slightly annoyed with rpm based distros, which have a bit stronger foothold in business, not having any decent sized package sets] |
| 12:27.55 | jelly | mvv: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 12:28.39 | mvv | what's the "all" architecture? |
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| 12:28.51 | gnarface | architecture-independent stuff (like perl scripts) |
| 12:28.56 | gnarface | and gif files |
| 12:28.57 | jelly | packages without arch-specific binaries |
| 12:29.05 | arghx | dym: load the capi device module before the scsi storage ones in initrd. that requires trickery however, I think |
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| 12:29.30 | mvv | ok. so for any specific arch you'd look at your local mirror size in terms of, say all+amd64? |
| 12:29.36 | jelly | mvv: yes |
| 12:29.41 | arghx | dym: or patch the kernel to not allocate 68 for scsi |
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| 12:31.14 | gnarface | mvv: fyi it might be a lot easier to get clearance just to set up a caching proxy for apt |
| 12:32.14 | mvv | "why does this proxy have its cache set to 150GB" "uh..." |
| 12:32.28 | gnarface | haha |
| 12:32.40 | gnarface | well i was more implying it would be easier to sneak in |
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| 12:32.51 | mvv | indeed, is a good idea |
| 12:33.33 | dym | arghx: could you lead me to either of them? |
| 12:33.58 | dym | arghx: please |
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| 12:35.00 | gnarface | mvv: check out apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng and approx. i've only tried apt-cacher-ng but i imagine they're all pretty easy to set up |
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| 12:38.02 | dym | arghx? |
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| 12:38.41 | arghx | dym: sorry no. I don't know enough about initrd loading sequence, what goes first |
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| 12:39.05 | dym | arghx: what about kernel reconfiguration? |
| 12:39.05 | arghx | and for the kernel patch I'd have to grep the kernel and get lucky :( kernel compile needed too |
| 12:39.44 | arghx | you cannot configure what major device numbers the kernel uses. it's hardcoded in the drivers afaik. so you include scsi subsystem, it takes 68 unless you patch the kernel source |
| 12:40.14 | dym | which i have no idea about :/ |
| 12:40.33 | arghx | can't you ask the maker of this device? the writer of the kernel module, etc? |
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| 12:40.48 | arghx | doesn't sound like your problem is rare: any user of that driver has it |
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| 12:41.46 | dym | :/ |
| 12:41.55 | dym | apparently under suse this shouldnt happen. |
| 12:42.00 | dym | cba using suse tho |
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| 12:43.22 | arghx | can you access a suse host? check there? |
| 12:43.39 | dym | arghx; to see if 68 is occupied? |
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| 12:44.47 | arghx | yes. but another thought: change the "68" in your primux drivers? |
| 12:45.18 | dym | arghx: tried seeking the 68 |
| 12:45.21 | dym | couldnt find it |
| 12:45.24 | arghx | change it to something else, let udev create /dev/capi for 199:1 or whatever, as long as /dev/capi exists, userspace should be happe |
| 12:45.39 | arghx | look for register_chrdev (it is a char device?) |
| 12:45.50 | dym | odd |
| 12:45.56 | dym | the suse host has same /proc/devices |
| 12:46.00 | arghx | somewhere in the init of the module if my googling is accurate |
| 12:46.01 | dym | sd and capi on 68 |
| 12:46.36 | dym | arghx: well |
| 12:46.42 | dym | it does the mknod in an initscript |
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| 12:47.03 | dym | arghx: http://pastebin.com/yxvfwSsX |
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| 12:47.29 | arghx | doesn't mean you have to use it. or keep it the same :) |
| 12:48.06 | arghx | another way is to debug your module and check why it prints the error message, etc |
| 12:48.10 | dym | arghx: also: /dev/capi and 7dev/capi20 exist. |
| 12:48.21 | dym | arghx: im trying to run the card with asterisk |
| 12:48.26 | dym | and asterisk says that capi isnt installed |
| 12:48.34 | arghx | sure, but if major device 68 behind it is a disk and not a char device, mayhem ensues |
| 12:49.03 | dym | arghx: so i could just try and change it in the initscript and see what happends? |
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| 12:52.06 | dym | arghx: What would be an appropriate Major to set in the init? |
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| 12:57.22 | arghx | you need to patch the kernel source first so it listens on another major, then you can change the init script to the same number |
| 12:57.46 | arghx | think of as devicenames and devicenumbers as DNS and IPs. they both have to be the same for it to work |
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| 12:58.20 | arghx | well, not the kernel source but the driver source |
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| 13:02.24 | SRabbelier | I'm left with 150 packages held back on Wheezy/Sid, am I doing something wrong or is this expected behavior? I previously had a couple packages held back due to fglrx-driver not being updated, but that was in the order of 30 packages, not 150 |
| 13:02.43 | Famic_ | I have a problem with a box. It was freezing right after login, so I reboot it in rescue mode and check the log and they have "INFO: task sshd:27712 blocked for more than 120 seconds." and ""echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message."... any idea what's that about ? |
| 13:04.07 | daniel-s | what is the best way to manipulate/change the mime database that stores file associations? |
| 13:04.36 | arghx | !tell SRabbelier about held back |
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| 13:05.07 | dym | 13|57|22 < arghx> you need to patch the kernel source first so it listens on another major, then you can change the init script to the same number |
| 13:05.18 | dym | arghx: havent done so before. how do i proceed? |
| 13:06.00 | arghx | you look in your driver source for the number 68 (maybe written in hex, 0x44). and change it to another, free number then compiel |
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| 13:06.25 | arghx | then you load the driver and change the init script or write a udev rule for the same number you changed it to |
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| 13:07.52 | dym | arghx: then i havent touched the kernel tho |
| 13:08.26 | arghx | no, you touched your driver. which sort of part of your kernel |
| 13:08.37 | arghx | the driver has source, right? or is it blob only? |
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| 13:09.15 | dym | arghx: its binary |
| 13:09.16 | dym | :| |
| 13:09.35 | arghx | ouch! then you have to hunt for the 68 in the disk subsystem :( |
| 13:10.23 | dym | omfg |
| 13:10.26 | dym | how do i do that? |
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| 13:11.02 | dym | arghx: mhh |
| 13:11.07 | dym | i dont get the error anymore |
| 13:11.17 | dym | still asterisk claims capi is not installed |
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| 13:12.40 | arghx | welcome to the wonderful world of binary capi drivers |
| 13:13.08 | arghx | gets flashbacks to linux 2.4 days and my router/modem of that time |
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| 13:15.32 | colo-work | vomits |
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| 13:18.39 | arghx | colo-work: mine used RS232C! and it was no DSL, it was ISDN |
| 13:18.58 | jelly | ISDN ruled. |
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| 13:21.26 | abrotman | ruled what? |
| 13:22.33 | arghx | your phoneline. actually it still does here. lots of ISDN around, but thankfully not used for data anymore |
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| 13:28.25 | fasta | Opera prints documents twice and Firefox only can use US Letter to print... does anyone know how to solve either problem? |
| 13:28.48 | fasta | By Firefox I meant Iceweasel. |
| 13:29.12 | fasta | Also, Opera cannot just print one page, if I tell it to print one page; it happily prints all of them. |
| 13:29.35 | themill | fasta: iceweasel uses A4 quite happily for me here |
| 13:30.08 | fasta | themill: which version are you using? |
| 13:30.13 | themill | 7 |
| 13:30.18 | MrFrood | fasta: check your locale settings |
| 13:30.30 | themill | but I could set that quite happily in 3.5 too |
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| 13:31.23 | fasta | MrFrood: which settings specifically? LANGUAGE= and LC_ALL= , but otherwise they are all set to what I consider to be a correct value. |
| 13:31.34 | fasta | MrFrood: I am referring to locale output. |
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| 13:33.45 | themill | I don't know that iceweasel pays attention to locale settings unfortunately. But "Page Setup" is sufficient. |
| 13:34.25 | fasta | themill: under page setup, the menu where I see US Letter, is greyed out. |
| 13:34.52 | fasta | themill: in Icedove I can atleast select A4. |
| 13:35.16 | MrFrood | fasta: it was just a thought, but if they appear to be ok, then it's not that |
| 13:35.37 | fasta | MrFrood: sur |
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| 13:35.54 | fasta | sure* |
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| 13:37.20 | arghx | fasta: which iceweasel? 3.6? maybe the 7.0 one from mozilla.debian.net has better print support? |
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| 13:39.02 | fasta | arghx: this is 7.01 from unstable. |
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| 13:39.33 | fasta | arghx: I don't want to run unstable, but well that's just what ist happens to run. |
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| 13:40.40 | fasta | arghx: in the very latest it does work. |
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| 13:41.55 | fasta | arghx: except it still insists on using US letter. How can I convince Iceweasel that I never ever want to do anything with US letter? |
| 13:42.29 | fasta | I can change it now, but it just changes back on a restart and really this should be default for all users. |
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| 13:42.56 | arghx | mozilla.debian.net has 7.01 for debian stable... |
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| 13:43.25 | fasta | arghx: I am using unstable. |
| 13:43.45 | fasta | arghx: once Debian releases a downgrade method, I will be the first to use it. |
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| 13:44.05 | arghx | I'd ask a firefox channel how it determines what paper sizes are available. or bugzilla |
| 13:44.26 | arghx | there never will be a supported downgrade |
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| 13:45.24 | abrotman | you could uh .. just not use unstable? |
| 13:46.01 | mvv | downgrade method seems to much work to bother to me |
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| 13:46.20 | fasta | abrotman: so, you suggest to reinstall stable? That takes 8 hours or so. |
| 13:46.38 | arghx | abrotman: as long as sns has no cure, there will be unstable users |
| 13:47.14 | arghx | fasta: first thing you could do is to use testing, and then in around 18 months, you can run debian stable. |
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| 13:48.51 | abrotman | fasta: i didn't say that .. i just said to use stable .. then things don't randomly break |
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| 13:49.25 | mvv | 8 hours to reinstall stable, btw? jesus christ what are you doing |
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| 13:51.17 | fasta | mvv: I use 4000 packages. |
| 13:51.35 | fasta | mvv: actual command time is about 2 minutes or so. |
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| 13:51.59 | fasta | mvv: if everything would work the first time which it usually doesn't. |
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| 13:53.50 | mvv | hmm, 1300 installed here. may i ask what it is that you do that uses results in so many packages? |
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| 13:54.14 | fasta | mvv: where normal users use vim or Emacs, I use both. |
| 13:54.29 | fasta | mvv: I also have a ton of development tools installed. |
| 13:55.02 | fasta | I wonder whether Chrome can count pages. Opera certainly cannot. |
| 13:55.13 | arghx | devtools don't need many packages. -dev packages do |
| 13:55.40 | fasta | arghx: I have lots of -dev packages too. |
| 13:55.59 | mvv | ah. |
| 13:56.31 | themill | it's still not an 8 hour process. I did a new install for mrs themill on the weekend that would have been ~2500 packages and that took about 30min from start to end. |
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| 13:57.27 | fasta | themill: this is not a very fast machine. |
| 13:57.42 | fasta | themill: on my other machine I would say 4000 translates to about an hour. |
| 13:58.09 | arghx | makes themill remember dselect debian installs |
| 13:58.23 | arghx | themill: and you probable had a package list to go on |
| 13:58.39 | themill | Sure. So does fasta. |
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| 13:58.54 | mvv | with this box all system changes are done with puppet since the base install, :) |
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| 13:59.52 | cyrusae | hi, i'm trying to set up a mailserver. i got postfix and dovecot running, as well as SASL (and squirremail for testing purposes). i dont receive any errors, but the mails wont go out |
| 14:00.22 | arghx | cyrusae: check mail.log or syslog for errors or logs in general when you try to send |
| 14:00.39 | fasta | mvv: but you have how mnay machines? |
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| 14:01.17 | mvv | about 2 |
| 14:01.18 | arghx | cyrusae: telnet localhost 25\nehlo localhost\nmail from: <your email address>\nrcpt to: <a webmail address of yours>\ndata\ntest\n. |
| 14:01.35 | Chelsea | Quick question, why can I type in this channel, but not in some others? ("cannot send to channel" using irssi") |
| 14:01.35 | arghx | cyrusae: replace \n with enter key and it should try to send a mail |
| 14:01.57 | zykotick9 | Chelsea, try registering your nic |
| 14:01.59 | ignotus | hi, I connect to a "n" WiFi with my laptop. Is it possible to use my laptop to share that connection through "b/g" to my palm (which can't connect to the "n" router)? |
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| 14:02.35 | fasta | mvv: only two and then you already use puppet? |
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| 14:03.13 | fasta | mvv: Isn't it more intended for things like 20+ machines? |
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| 14:03.46 | pipeline | ignotus: maybe, maybe not. Depends on specific hardware. (Probably not.) |
| 14:03.54 | Chelsea | zykotick9, thanks |
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| 14:04.16 | ignotus | pipeline: I thought so, thanks! |
| 14:05.06 | cyrusae | nope, came back arghx |
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| 14:05.18 | pipeline | ignotus: most -n APs support g/n mixed mode |
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| 14:09.43 | abrotman | pipeline: some of the early ones support it very poorly |
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| 14:10.07 | mvv | fasta: only on one of them...i kind of looked at it like this: i've been using debian for over a decade, the number of times i've reinstalled and put on vim and screen and irssi, or setup shorewall for a standalone box with just a eth0, is numerous. was probably time i stop redoing things again and again and again and automate it |
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| 14:12.19 | cyrusae | okay uhm... i got a pretty fresh debian-install, put postfix on it, dovecot, SASL, squirrelmail and it wont send anything out |
| 14:12.21 | cyrusae | ideas? |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | cyrusae: so where is it going ? |
| 14:12.53 | abrotman | cyrusae: if you use postqueue .. can you see the messages? |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | shudders at squirrelmail |
| 14:13.22 | cyrusae | queue is empty |
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| 14:13.34 | cyrusae | yeah sorry for squirrelmail, just needed something quick |
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| 14:14.09 | abrotman | did you check the maillog to see where it has gone if it's empty ? |
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| 14:15.11 | cyrusae | yeah it tells me sent, then undeliverable and i get my mail back |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | can you send it locally? |
| 14:15.59 | abrotman | rather, to a local user? |
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| 14:16.25 | abrotman | and what is the error it gives you when it says it can't deliver? |
| 14:16.25 | cyrusae | yup |
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| 14:17.44 | Blackvel | anyone with zarafa 7.0.2 and could provide me the files from /etc/default/zarafa*? |
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| 14:18.06 | Blackvel | something is screwed up with the language options |
| 14:18.14 | abrotman | Blackvel: get the original |
| 14:18.46 | jelly | Blackvel: what's the package name? I can't find anything useful about "zarafa" with apt-cache search |
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| 14:19.08 | cyrusae | Nov 8 14:37:34 tiki postfix/smtp[3706]: 5D743480063: to=<S.Sonne@wvw.wiegel.de>, relay=none, delay=0.12, delays=0.08/0.03/0.01/0, dsn=5.4.4, status=bounced (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=wvw.wiegel.de type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type) |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | cyrusae: sounds like misconfigured DNS? |
| 14:20.43 | cyrusae | nah, wvw.wiegel.de is right (only the mailserver itself is not in the DNS) |
| 14:21.09 | zykotick9 | cyrusae, you are aware of the wVw right? |
| 14:21.15 | JyZyXEL | whats a simple CLI mp3 player? |
| 14:21.19 | cyrusae | yes, it has to be a V in the middle |
| 14:21.21 | JyZyXEL | like aplay stuff |
| 14:21.36 | JyZyXEL | is there one for alsa |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | mpg123 or mpg321 |
| 14:21.52 | cyrusae | wiegel is the company, the three letters before indicate location and usage |
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| 14:24.09 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL, if you're looking for something with a ncurses interface - moc is ok |
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| 14:25.25 | tharkun | JyZyXEL: vlc has also an ncurses interface i believe. But mocp will fill most needs |
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| 14:27.00 | zykotick9 | tharkun, it's strange that moc has a different package name then executable |
| 14:27.02 | Blackvel | jelly: its not in the database |
| 14:27.23 | Blackvel | abrotman: i got an idea. i will download just the src and see if i can find a correct default file |
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| 14:27.55 | jelly | Blackvel: um, where did you get it from? |
| 14:27.59 | Blackvel | have some problems with migrated mysqldb to utf8 and now zarafa can not connect anymore...but somehow it was working before |
| 14:28.06 | Blackvel | jelly: straight webdownload |
| 14:28.43 | jelly | Blackvel: so straight download it again if you deleted the .deb |
| 14:28.56 | cyrusae | http://pastebin.com/f9nsMFiD <-output when i try to send a mail through telnet |
| 14:29.23 | Blackvel | .deb are there but how do i get the /etc/default files out of it ?new version seems to use the files different than my old configs |
| 14:29.25 | Blackvel | SERVER_LOCALE="C" |
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| 14:29.40 | abrotman | Blackvel: where did you get this package? |
| 14:29.42 | cyrusae | O_o |
| 14:29.43 | Blackvel | is this setting something you guys know about? |
| 14:29.45 | jelly | Blackvel: dpkg --extract somedeb unpackdir/ |
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| 14:30.59 | Blackvel | apache e.g has setting /etc/apache2/envvars export LANG=C |
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| 14:32.04 | spal | Is there any video editing software that can put 4 video streams into 4 quadrants of the same video? |
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| 14:32.21 | cyrusae | okay... now this sucks... it sends from inside but i can't access it O_o |
| 14:32.38 | mvv | spal: sure is |
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| 14:32.52 | spal | mvv, could you please suggest something that I can use in Debian? |
| 14:33.00 | mvv | i reckon you could pull that off with mencoder and imagemagick, but there's probably a better way |
| 14:33.10 | spal | okay. |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | cinerella ? |
| 14:33.45 | abrotman | i've heard kdenlive is good |
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| 14:34.59 | spal | okay. So, this kind of software is called video compositor? |
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| 14:37.49 | alesan | hi I have a question for real HARDCORE Debian admins |
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| 14:38.24 | Zetas | what are sane values for a moderately utilized debian shell servers limits.conf ? |
| 14:38.34 | alesan | /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules creates a correspondance between a NIC identified by a MAC address and the ethX device |
| 14:38.45 | alesan | how can I DISABLE that SICK behaviour? |
| 14:39.10 | Blackvel | jelly: thanks man!!! i think that saved my life. found out that zarafa-commons.deb creates a quite different /etc/default/zarafa file with the missing setting ZARAFA_LOCALE='C' |
| 14:39.32 | flash__ | alesan, deleting, or moving that file out of rules.d/ will stop that script being run on start |
| 14:39.48 | flash__ | but it's a fairly sensible default for many |
| 14:39.54 | Zetas | this is what i have now and i seem to be having quite a few resource issues still http://pastie.org/2831072 |
| 14:40.10 | Zetas | fyi we are grsec'd |
| 14:40.12 | alesan | flash__, well, but that is only the "output" of another script |
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| 14:40.29 | alesan | # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 14:40.30 | alesan | # program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. |
| 14:40.47 | alesan | this is what is written on top of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 14:41.24 | flash__ | read the next line, or just edit write_net_rules |
| 14:42.27 | alesan | I wish to edit write_net_rules so this behavior is deleted |
| 14:42.48 | themill | alesan: be aware that if you disable that behaviour and have more than one NIC, you'll have a random assignment of ethX on each boot. |
| 14:43.18 | alesan | themill, I do not have more than one NIC; but I have several boards I want to replicate this filesystem to |
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| 14:43.46 | themill | alesan: then just delete that udev generated file prior to replication. It will then be regenerated on first boot |
| 14:43.55 | alesan | I am developing the ethernet driver for this platform and everytime I start with a MAC address I get everything messed up |
| 14:44.06 | alesan | I do not want anything to be regenerated |
| 14:44.22 | alesan | because I may decide to change the MAC address at any time |
| 14:44.38 | alesan | I am also writing the bootloader to Linux interface to pass the MAC address |
| 14:44.40 | themill | and if you change the mac it should still have the same device? |
| 14:44.44 | alesan | yes |
| 14:44.47 | alesan | always eth0 |
| 14:44.51 | themill | then customise it to do that |
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| 14:46.16 | gn00b | just installed nginx for the 1st time on debian squeeze. when i go to http://localhost, i get: 404 Not Found nginx/0.7.67 my /etc/hosts file reads 127.0.0.1 localhost what could be the problem? |
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| 14:47.00 | alesan | themill, are you suggesting to simply remove "lib/udev/write_net_rules"? |
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| 14:47.22 | buhman | somiaj: github has been up the entire time |
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| 14:48.57 | themill | alesan: or configure 70-persistent-net.rules so that it always matches the device type or MAC range you're intending to use |
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| 14:49.35 | alesan | themill, I think removing the script is a much better idea |
| 14:49.44 | alesan | less possible side effects |
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| 14:50.01 | themill | alesan: except that it will keep coming back |
| 14:50.10 | gele | hello, i have multiple computers that i want to run mail clients on. i want to be able to fetch mail from the remote account (pop3 or imap) from either of the client computers, and then sync them with each other so that i only need to fetch each mail once from the remote server. |
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| 14:50.26 | alesan | themill, /lib/udev/write_net_rules will come back? |
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| 14:50.31 | jelly | Zetas: $employer does not limit users until they very clearly hog the system, one of the reasons being yes, it's not easy to pick sane default values |
| 14:50.33 | gele | what software would i use for that? i'm not afraid to do some scripting, but the more i can do with off-the-shelf software the better. |
| 14:50.55 | Zetas | jelly, thats what im finding out :( |
| 14:51.55 | themill | alesan: it's a file that's managed by dpkg that is (obviously) not a conffile. Any time you reinstall or upgrade the udev package it's going to come back. You shouldn't be randomly killing or editing files in places like /lib or /usr or /bin. |
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| 14:52.55 | alesan | ok noted themill, thanks |
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| 14:55.15 | catch22 | How do I set use flags in gentoo? |
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| 15:03.16 | Chelsea | I hope I can ask a MC question here... How do I make multiple links to files which are selected with "insert"? Control-X,S only links the current highlighted file. |
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| 15:04.30 | Zetas | mc is cool but i never use it, sorry :( |
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| 15:09.37 | karlpinc | I've always wonder if mc saves any sort of keystrokes or is just a fancy crutch. Given tab completion at the command line it's not at all clear you save any keystrokes. |
| 15:09.43 | rgouveia | hi, I'm on testing and I've gnome3 as an update but I want to keep using gnome2. It's it a matter of pinning some packages? |
| 15:10.10 | Zetas | karlpinc, thats how i feel, mc is way too slow for bash with tab completion |
| 15:10.21 | Zetas | though it helps windows-heads when they are coming into the linux world |
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| 15:12.39 | itsnotabigtruck | rgouveia: hold stuff until aptitude safe-upgrade doesn't feel like upgrading it anymore |
| 15:14.12 | Chelsea | I find MC handy, but still second to Ranger ;) |
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| 15:18.36 | T_X | hmm, anyone using chroot jails? I must be doing something wrong here... "$ ls -lah /tmp/test/bin/ls \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 linus linus 108K Nov 8 08:16 /tmp/test/bin/ls" |
| 15:18.39 | T_X | but this fails: |
| 15:18.51 | T_X | $ sudo chroot /tmp/test/ "/bin/ls" |
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| 15:19.00 | T_X | chroot: failed to run command `/bin/ls': No such file or directory |
| 15:20.59 | rgouveia | itsnotabigtruck: so it keeps doing the other updates but not that one? |
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| 15:22.16 | Trewas | T_X: chroot needs all the libraries too |
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| 15:23.34 | T_X | Trewas: ah, thx! all libraries? or for instance for "ls" just the ones listed with ldd? |
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| 15:24.01 | Trewas | T_X: only what the binary is linked with |
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| 15:26.38 | pipeline | rgouveia: doomed endeavour |
| 15:26.47 | pipeline | rgouveia: if you want gnome2, install xfce I guess |
| 15:26.51 | pipeline | gnome 2 is a dead project |
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| 15:28.53 | somiaj | though gnome2 will be supported in squeeze for some time to come (basically until squeeze looses support after being oldstable for about a year) |
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| 15:29.52 | somiaj | rgouveia: just stick with debian stable if you want to run gnome2. Testing is of course testing the new stuff that will be released with wheezy. |
| 15:30.14 | T_X | Trewas: that works like a charm - thanks! |
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| 15:35.22 | abrotman | rgouveia: a) use stable b) get used to gnome3 c) find another WM d) find another distro .. gnome3 is coming .. might as well get used to it |
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| 15:35.49 | abrotman | rgouveia: putting stuff on hold is going to lead to problems |
| 15:36.50 | rgouveia | somiaj and abrotman: I c ... so probably wheezy will be released with gnome3 instead of gnome2, right? |
| 15:37.10 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 15:37.32 | somiaj | rgouveia: no probably about it. The current plan is to release gnome3 with wheezy..though by the time wheezy is released some of the initial problems of gnome3 will be hammered out. |
| 15:37.40 | abrotman | !mate |
| 15:37.41 | dpkg | hmm... mate is some one you like to talk to, similar to a friend, a pitman, a chum, a pal, a buddy, or rather a companion or fellow. aka m8, or http://github.com/Perberos/Mate-Desktop-Environment - A project to keep gnome2 development active. |
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| 15:38.04 | abrotman | rgouveia: AFAIK, gnome.org considers gnome2 EOL |
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| 15:38.27 | abrotman | thinks that was a poor description of MATE |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | rgouveia: many people like XFCE .. maybe give that a whirl |
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| 15:42.15 | OkweL | hello i have some problem after fresh install |
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| 15:42.41 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:42.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:42.44 | OkweL | i used latest testing netinst, installed debian without Xserver |
| 15:43.03 | OkweL | after that i have installed fluxbox |
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| 15:43.30 | OkweL | at first i had empty xorg.conf but i managed to go trough that with google |
| 15:43.43 | OkweL | now i stuck on starting Xwindow, any hints? |
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| 15:44.09 | OkweL | when i type startx it lists lots of lines and flux is not starting |
| 15:44.20 | OkweL | or should i ask in #fluxbox? |
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| 15:44.47 | OkweL | i also did not install gdm/kdm yet as i wanted to use xinit and autologin |
| 15:44.50 | rgouveia | abrotman: yeah, I never used it under Linux but will check it out. Just thinking of the upgrade path for my users in the near future for gnome2 |
| 15:45.11 | somiaj | OkweL: use .$HOME/.xinitrc to set the intial wm ran (if its not detecting it by default). |
| 15:45.14 | OkweL | with su - okwel -c startx in rc.local |
| 15:45.30 | Shadur | ... |
| 15:45.34 | OkweL | somiaj: but what if i don't want to use any wm.. |
| 15:45.39 | Shadur | ... That is a really, really terrible idea. |
| 15:45.47 | OkweL | uhm why? |
| 15:45.54 | OkweL | home pc, single user |
| 15:45.59 | Shadur | OkweL: Because without a window manager yo uwon't be doing all that much. What do you think fluxbox is? |
| 15:46.13 | somiaj | OkweL: then why talk about fluxbox? just run xterm from .xinitrc (you need something for x to run) |
| 15:46.17 | OkweL | ah, right, sorry then i missunderstood |
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| 15:47.03 | boudiccas | OkweL; what do you mean by 'trough' in ...... at first i had empty xorg.conf but i managed to go trough that with google |
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| 15:47.40 | OkweL | i started to search google with links, and i figured that one of guides had missed apt-get install xorg |
| 15:48.02 | OkweL | so i added xorg, ran dpkg-reconfigure xorg and now there is some default xorg.conf |
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| 15:49.06 | OkweL | right now i stuck on unable to connect to X window: connection refused - but going to read about .xinitrc as suggested :) |
| 15:49.24 | OkweL | X server* |
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| 15:49.43 | abrotman | you don't need an xorg.conf usually |
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| 15:50.43 | OkweL | i have used debian loooong time ago, and by then it was needed, today i decided to use it again and i just went like in the past, just i don't remember how i managed to get XWindow working in the past :s |
| 15:51.07 | MrFrood | don't forget to set x-window-manager and x-session-manager in the alternatives system |
| 15:51.56 | boudiccas | OkweL; a trough is what pigs eat out of, so what do /you/ mean by 'trough' in ...... at first i had empty xorg.conf but i managed to go trough that with google? |
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| 15:54.49 | OkweL | boudiccas: i have explained it above |
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| 15:55.13 | OkweL | just one of guides that i read of had missing apt-get install xorg |
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| 15:55.47 | abrotman | probably want to use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 15:55.51 | OkweL | it had only install xserver-xorg xbase-clients xbase-fonts xterm |
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| 15:56.07 | OkweL | and abrotman in guide it was aptitude, tho for me worked apt-get |
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| 15:56.18 | abrotman | uhhuh .. doesn't change what i said |
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| 16:00.43 | OkweL | hm, I looked on google and added 'exec startfluxbox' in /home/okwel/.xinitrc but still nothing |
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| 16:01.24 | mocra | Okwel, try exec fluxbox |
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| 16:01.46 | belak | Is I use debian to set up software raid, is it possible to keep all the data? It's currently already part of a system... |
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| 16:05.15 | robo_ | hello: i used apt-cache search and found the application i want to install. How can i tell what version that application is? Is there a way to get more detail about said package? |
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| 16:06.10 | themill | robo_: apt-cache show packagename |
| 16:06.19 | robo_ | oh... doh. Thanks themill |
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| 16:07.02 | tolkor | hiya. is there a way to use aptitude to find out what package contains a certain file? i'm trying to find how to get iostat and cannot seem to pull out of the aptitude man page how to find the package that contains iostat |
| 16:07.32 | OkweL | mocra: still nothing |
| 16:08.03 | popkill | tolkor: sysstat |
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| 16:08.28 | tolkor | tnx popkill |
| 16:08.29 | user_ | Debian CUT is released? |
| 16:08.31 | mocra | OkweL, nothing? what did you try? |
| 16:09.07 | user_ | Debian stable or testing for desktop? |
| 16:09.08 | mocra | whats the message when you try startx? |
| 16:09.08 | OkweL | both, once exec startfluxbox, and then exec fluxbox, in /home/okwel/.xinitrc |
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| 16:10.28 | OkweL | xinit giving up, xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused, xinit: server error |
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| 16:11.06 | OkweL | user_: from what i read on debian forum, for desktop is better testing |
| 16:11.08 | MrFrood | OkweL: if you set the wm/session-manager with the alternates system as I suggested startx should pick it up auto-magicly |
| 16:11.10 | OkweL | stable is for servers |
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| 16:11.44 | MrFrood | OkweL: stable id for no headaches useage |
| 16:11.58 | MrFrood | s/id/is |
| 16:12.31 | boudiccas | OkweL; BS! you can use stable on a desktop very successfully |
| 16:13.23 | user_ | OkweL: for minimalist desktop too? |
| 16:13.32 | user_ | dwm + CLI tools |
| 16:14.01 | popkill | s/dwm/awesome :D |
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| 16:15.11 | MrFrood | user_: I'm a fan of dwm and use it myself but it is an exercise in addvanced wm useage so perhaps not what OkweL really needs |
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| 16:15.49 | OkweL | boudiccas: chill, i just wrote, that I found that on debian forum in one of sticky topics... |
| 16:16.12 | user_ | MrFrood: Do you use debian stable or testing? |
| 16:16.25 | MrFrood | both |
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| 16:16.56 | MrFrood | but ddwm is running on a stable box |
| 16:17.01 | mocra | okwel, would u be so kind and send me the link to that topic? |
| 16:17.28 | OkweL | i can't now as i am logged on console without even mouse |
| 16:17.32 | user_ | MrFrood: What do you recommend for me for a minimalist desktop? It is worth sacrificing the safety and stability of debian stable? |
| 16:17.36 | smhar | how to solve this error in apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:17.50 | themill | smhar: you should read their website |
| 16:17.55 | OkweL | if i recall right, i used something like "stable or testing debian" in google, and it was one of very first search results |
| 16:18.24 | OkweL | MrFrood: can i query you? |
| 16:18.30 | mocra | at forums.debian.net? |
| 16:18.37 | OkweL | yeah, if i recall right |
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| 16:18.43 | mocra | k |
| 16:18.43 | OkweL | i read that couple of days ago |
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| 16:19.02 | popkill | smhar: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 16:19.31 | OkweL | and someone wrote that testing is realesed more often and is pretty stable, so for most users it's fine |
| 16:19.35 | MrFrood | user_: I ddon't recomendd anything but I use one of two setups - one based around dwm (compiled from the debian source package) and one based around openbox |
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| 16:20.51 | smhar | thanks themill, popkill |
| 16:20.53 | MrFrood | OkweL: for expeiriancedd users - but as a few recent posts regarding the upgrade of gnnome have shown even then some get caught out |
| 16:21.03 | user_ | I'm in doubt between stable or testing. =[ |
| 16:21.26 | MrFrood | OkweL: keep it in here |
| 16:21.35 | OkweL | ok |
| 16:21.53 | belak | user_: if unsure, stick with stable. You can always update to testing. It's a pain to downgrade to stable. |
| 16:22.10 | OkweL | i decided to give a harder try to myself this time, and i went with netinst without graphical enviroment |
| 16:22.39 | OkweL | after finished instalation I have installed fluxbox, as my pc is pretty old so flux should work much better than gnome/kde |
| 16:22.42 | user_ | belak: ok |
| 16:22.43 | user_ | :D |
| 16:22.49 | MrFrood | user_: start with stable + backportd as moving a stable system to testing is a lot easier than the reverse |
| 16:23.02 | MrFrood | *backports |
| 16:24.02 | OkweL | and i am not sure if i understand what you wrote about "set x-window-manager and x-session-manager in the alternatives system" |
| 16:24.26 | somiaj | OkweL: man update-alternatives and look at /etc/alternatives |
| 16:24.33 | OkweL | oh, thanks |
| 16:24.48 | MrFrood | !alternatives |
| 16:24.48 | dpkg | from memory, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
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| 16:29.57 | daniel-s | !mime |
| 16:29.57 | dpkg | MIME is Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions. This refers to functions used for the attachment of binary files to an e-mail message. MIME is the most common group of functions used to make this translation, and allows us to tack on graphics, sound, and executable files to our e-mail messages. http://wiki.debian.org/MIME |
| 16:30.03 | daniel-s | !mimetypes |
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| 16:39.42 | ChibaPet | Hey all. I'm noticing that M-x yow in emacs is only showing one quote, and I'm not seeing an add-on package for a full collection of pinhead quotes. Is this a known feature? |
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| 16:41.31 | SkysTheLimit | hi there i have a bug problem with my server. i updated today my lenny system to squeeze. problem is the linux-image could´t install because the apt-get installer is hungig at the point "libarchive1" . it don't want to install. any ideas how i can kick out the shit libeachrive1 package ? |
| 16:41.33 | ChibaPet | emacs23-common: /usr/share/emacs/23.2/etc/yow.lines |
| 16:41.47 | jesselang | Seems like testing has become a lot more testy than it used to be. |
| 16:42.04 | jelly | ChibaPet: sounds like something to file IMPORTANT bugs about! |
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| 16:42.51 | jesselang | nautilus-dropbox and libnautilus-extension1 were removed due to a new conflict apparently. |
| 16:43.03 | ChibaPet | jelly, will do, ty |
| 16:43.29 | jelly | ;-) |
| 16:43.45 | jesselang | I wonder if nautilus-dropbox needs to depend on libnautilus-extension1a instead. |
| 16:43.56 | jesselang | And if anyone knows that. |
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| 16:45.19 | _jesse_ | I see xlock isn't in the repos anymore, what should I be using instead? |
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| 16:46.23 | SkysTheLimit | with apt-get -f install i get the error: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libarchive1_2.8.4-1_amd64.deb (--unpack) trying to overwrite /usr/lib/lib/libarchive.so.2.8.4, which is also in package libarchvice 2.8.4-11042015 any ideas how i can remove this pack so i can resume the installation ? |
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| 16:46.48 | _jesse_ | ah guess I can just use xscreensaver :) |
| 16:46.55 | gnarface | _jesse_: i'd love to know the answer to that too. i think xscreensaver might be it but it was really annoying for me |
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| 16:48.34 | themill | jesselang: it already does (and has done so for a couple of weeks) |
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| 16:48.57 | MrFrood | _jesse_: try i3lock |
| 16:49.08 | fugdnscerd1 | is zfs supported in debian linux or only in kfreebsd? |
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| 16:49.26 | pipeline | fugdnscerd1: there's no good way to do zfs under linux |
| 16:49.27 | acu | can someone do a prtscrn while in single mode ? |
| 16:49.47 | _jesse_ | MrFrood: this should work, thanks! |
| 16:49.54 | jesselang | themill, maybe in sid. I'm using wheezy. |
| 16:50.00 | jesselang | I just updated today. |
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| 16:50.40 | fugdnscerd1 | ok... well i am trying to migrate my files server from debian squeeze using mdadm raid1 to freenas with raidz1... i plan to offline one disk and start the zfs raid array there and tehn migrate data... any ideas on the best way to do this? |
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| 16:51.03 | _jesse_ | gnarface: looks like: xscreensaver-command -lock works too |
| 16:51.19 | tidux | any clue when the pulseaudio-needs-X-to-start bug will be fixed? |
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| 16:51.39 | tidux | oh, wait |
| 16:51.40 | tidux | never mind |
| 16:51.47 | tidux | it's fixed in Wheezy |
| 16:51.52 | gnarface | _jesse_: aaah, that's helpful. but you have to run a daemon for it to work? |
| 16:52.04 | MrFrood | thereis also slock (in the suckless-tools package) |
| 16:52.05 | _jesse_ | gnarface: yeah, it needs the daemon to be running |
| 16:52.06 | themill | jesselang: the packages all still exist. Nothing has been removed. |
| 16:52.19 | _jesse_ | gnarface: otherwise it looks like MrFrood's suggestion of i3lock is a good replacement |
| 16:52.22 | tidux | ok, so I want to remove GNOME 3 completely, but autoremove isn't quite working |
| 16:52.50 | tidux | anything short of removing X I can try to automate it? |
| 16:53.09 | jesselang | themill, libnautilus-extension1 conflicts with a host of packages like gnome-desktop-environment. Important packages. |
| 16:53.15 | themill | jesselang: the only thing that has happened is that some of gnome3 has started to appear in wheezy and, as normal, testing migrations don't take account of non-free packages. |
| 16:53.28 | MrFrood | tidux: is gnome dependent on X ? |
| 16:53.46 | tidux | GNOME 3 should be, since it requires acceleration |
| 16:53.55 | MrFrood | most wm's are not |
| 16:53.56 | tidux | but I don't know for sure |
| 16:53.57 | tidux | ah |
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| 16:57.01 | gnarface | _jesse_: oh i didn't catch that. i'll check into that one too, thanks |
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| 16:58.28 | woshty | anyone using wheezy autofs5. mountpoints based on auto.master get created, but nothing more happens upon entering that directories. any way to debug that? |
| 16:59.14 | jhutchins_lt | woshty: I'm still getting up to speed on the docs for afs5, I was used to a simpler system on RH5-7. |
| 17:01.05 | woshty | jhutchins_lt: i just dont get why it wont work. at first i thought it was something with cifs mounts, but even simple device mounts dont work. and i also dont get why auto.master includes itself in default config. or what does +auto.master mean? |
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| 17:02.49 | jordanm | boudiccas: what? |
| 17:02.58 | themill | jordanm: ETAB |
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| 17:03.33 | woshty | and "syntax error in nsswitch config near [ syntax error ]" is also pretty self explaining |
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| 17:17.22 | woshty | jhutchins_lt: the nsswitch.conf issue i can solve by adding a line for automount. but automount just does not seem to get information about directory access. might this be a dependency problem? |
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| 17:17.27 | tidux | yesterday I installed a gtk2-engines-something package containing these themes: http://shimmerproject.org/project/bluebird/ |
| 17:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | woshty: I'm trying to track down rumors that there's a bsd automount that may be the one I used in RedHat - it's simpler, or at least the documentation and configuration are less obfuscated. |
| 17:17.45 | tidux | now I can't find a trace of it in the repos |
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| 17:17.52 | tidux | wtf? |
| 17:17.53 | jhutchins_lt | woshty: It could be a version problem - you are using testing. |
| 17:18.05 | woshty | jhutchins_lt: yes. |
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| 17:21.40 | kleanchap | I got the following error messages on a newly installed Debian. Is anyone else getting these errors? |
| 17:21.41 | kleanchap | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/504685/ |
| 17:22.22 | jhutchins_lt | ,info am-utils |
| 17:22.23 | judd | Package am-utils (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd). Version: 6.1.5-15+nmu1; Size: 390.4k; Installed: 820k; Homepage: http://www.am-utils.org/ |
| 17:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions am-utils |
| 17:23.18 | judd | Package: am-utils on i386 -- lenny: 6.1.5-12; squeeze: 6.1.5-15+nmu1; sid: 6.2+rc20110530-1; wheezy: 6.2+rc20110530-1 |
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| 17:25.08 | woshty | ah, thx. i will try that. |
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| 17:26.05 | vip__ | hi. can someone tell please how to add seconds to irssi time? |
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| 17:27.53 | jhutchins_lt | woshty: http://www.am-utils.org/ |
| 17:28.11 | jhutchins_lt | vip__: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 17:29.19 | vip__ | on the right side of irssi o have time 17:28 and I want like that 17:28:05 |
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| 17:29.27 | vip__ | left side sorry |
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| 17:30.36 | tidux | ah, found it |
| 17:30.40 | tidux | it was in murrine-themes |
| 17:30.44 | tidux | not the engines package |
| 17:31.48 | vip__ | sorted |
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| 17:33.32 | woshty | jhutchins_lt: and they have docs, how very not cool ;) |
| 17:33.40 | SkysTheLimit | is here any expert in apt-get ? |
| 17:34.12 | jhutchins_lt | vip__: That would depend on which client you're using, there are several, but glad you found it. |
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| 17:35.37 | jhutchins_lt | !ask |
| 17:35.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:36.28 | SkysTheLimit | i get always an error wit libarchive1 when i would like to install something else via apt-get |
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| 17:37.24 | SkysTheLimit | libaps Depends libarchive1 (>= 2.0.25) but it is not installed |
| 17:37.33 | SkysTheLimit | but i can´t install libarchive1 |
| 17:37.37 | jhutchins_lt | SkysTheLimit: aptitude -f install may resolve it, depending on the error, what release you're running, and what sources you have. |
| 17:37.56 | jhutchins_lt | SkysTheLimit: Please post your sources.list in a pastebin. |
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| 17:38.18 | themill | SkysTheLimit: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg perl libarchive1" for me? |
| 17:39.08 | SkysTheLimit | the problem is it is a life server and I'm working over a LARA Console no chance to copy and past |
| 17:39.31 | SkysTheLimit | aptitute -f install brings the same error |
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| 17:39.57 | themill | SkysTheLimit: do you have netcat (nc) installed? |
| 17:40.12 | SkysTheLimit | yes |
| 17:40.42 | themill | then you can "(apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg perl libarchive1; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude -f install ) | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
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| 17:41.06 | SkysTheLimit | okay. wait i type it in :-) |
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| 17:41.58 | zykotick9 | libarchive1 >=2.0.25 wow, even lenny has 2.4.17-2 |
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| 17:44.01 | SkysTheLimit | okay the lara console does´t allow the | symbol |
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| 17:44.35 | themill | you what... |
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| 17:45.24 | themill | you can stick it in a temp file with > and then read it back out with < |
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| 17:47.35 | SkysTheLimit | im connected with a lara console to the server. because he is hosted in a hosting center and with the lenny to squeeze update the linux image isn´t installed. |
| 17:47.47 | SkysTheLimit | so i can't create a temp file download it and so on |
| 17:47.59 | SkysTheLimit | but i can make screenshots :-) |
| 17:48.30 | Mad7Scientist | do debain based distros like ubuntu use the same set of packages like debian 6? |
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| 17:48.48 | tensorpudding | debian-derived distros are offtopic here |
| 17:48.52 | themill | Mad7Scientist: some do, some don't. You'd have to ask them. |
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| 17:49.19 | tensorpudding | but ubuntu imports packages from debian |
| 17:49.24 | jhutchins_lt | tensorpudding: Different package selection is one of the things that makes the other distros different. Cannonical messes with a lot of stuff too. |
| 17:49.31 | tensorpudding | it usually provides its own patches |
| 17:49.43 | tensorpudding | and there are some packages which it has that aren't in debian at all |
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| 17:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | Ubuntu is a different distribution, not just a different version of debian. |
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| 17:50.19 | themill | tensorpudding, jhutchins_lt: having asserted this to be off-topic, let's not have a long discussion about it here... |
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| 17:52.29 | SkysTheLimit | okay here are some screenshots from the lara console |
| 17:52.29 | SkysTheLimit | http://stage.pluginmedia.ch/screenshots/ |
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| 17:54.49 | themill | SkysTheLimit: where did this libarchive version 2.8.4-11042015 come from? |
| 17:55.20 | sereal-work | is there a package for the libx264? (i'm trying to encode a video to 264 with ffmpeg) |
| 17:55.22 | SkysTheLimit | thats a good question i can´t give you an answer |
| 17:55.56 | SkysTheLimit | yes a libx264 pack was installed |
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| 17:56.08 | sereal-work | with ffmpeg? |
| 17:56.14 | SkysTheLimit | yes |
| 17:57.10 | themill | SkysTheLimit: you can try to remove libarchive first and then try to proceed with the installation. (we might end up having to use a bit of force on this, unfortunately) |
| 17:57.57 | sereal-work | ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vcodec libx264 out.mpg |
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| 17:58.00 | sereal-work | am I doing something wrong here? |
| 17:58.03 | zro | a couple times now, my system has locked up inexplicably (unresponsive, can't switch to different console, cant sysrq reisub, mouse wont move, and no flashing cap lock led), and I don't see anything in /var/log near the date and time it has happened. Is there a next step in diagnosing this? |
| 17:58.05 | sereal-work | it's saying that doesn't exist |
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| 17:59.21 | gnarface | sereal-work: ffmpeg -formats is very informative. for example, without knowing the answer to your question ahead of time i was able to run "ffmpeg -formats |grep 264" and find that the answer to your question is likely to be that you need to use 'h264' where you are using 'libx264' |
| 17:59.22 | GNU\colossus | (where) can I file bug reports against packages available from http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
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| 17:59.50 | SkysTheLimit | themill i have removed it now. it seems like now it works. i will take a close look now |
| 18:00.14 | themill | SkysTheLimit: yeah, see if "aptitude install" is now happy |
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| 18:00.52 | sereal-work | gnarface, thanks, but i'm still getting "Unknown encoder 'h264'" |
| 18:01.13 | jordanm | GNU\colossus: if the package is not in the main archives, probably pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 18:01.23 | sereal-work | I did ffmpeg -formats | grep 264 and it shows up |
| 18:01.24 | gnarface | sereal-work: then run ffmpeg -formats |grep 264 |
| 18:01.29 | sereal-work | ^ |
| 18:02.04 | GNU\colossus | jordanm, so mailing them should be OK? I don't want my virtual guts ripped out over SMTP because I missed some random bugtracker ;) |
| 18:02.07 | gnarface | sereal-work: its not enough that it shows up. now run ffmpeg -formats |more and observe the column header label |
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| 18:02.24 | zykotick9 | sereal-work, did you get " DE h264 raw H.264 video format" as an output of grep? |
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| 18:02.50 | sereal-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.15 | gnarface | sereal-work: hmm. should work. that's a weird error for you to get |
| 18:03.23 | GNU\colossus | is there an XMPP client in Debian that supports _both_ Voice and Video via jingle? (pidgin should do, but it crashes when trying to do a video call. the bug is reported and known.) |
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| 18:03.43 | rneese | mornig |
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| 18:04.09 | gnarface | sereal-work: is this the stock ffmpeg or have you compiled your own? |
| 18:04.14 | rneese | I need monit but I cant find it in the debin .debs all I get is a error |
| 18:04.15 | sereal-work | stock, from apt-get |
| 18:04.39 | tensorpudding | GNU\colossus, empathy? |
| 18:04.45 | rneese | E: Package 'monit' has no installation candidate |
| 18:04.47 | sereal-work | FFmpeg version SVN-r0.5.2-4:0.5.2-6, Copyright (c) 2000-2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al. |
| 18:06.04 | kristian-aalborg | hi again |
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| 18:06.38 | phorce1 | google is hurting my brain. Anybody know a good walk-through/steps for moving a debin system to a new set of hard drives when the old and new dives cannot be installed in the system at the same time? I can connect an external drive to hold all of the data but the original system has to be moved to the external, drives replaced, then moved from external to new drives and made bootable. no 'dd' to the new drives possible. |
| 18:06.38 | gnarface | sereal-work: oh. i think its supposed to be -f instead of -vcodec |
| 18:07.24 | GNU\colossus | tensorpudding, that pulls in 72 new packages... more than I'd like to bear ;( (I'm not using GNOME) |
| 18:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: What about booting both systems to a live CD and just rsync'ing? |
| 18:08.02 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Failing that, do as you say and use a rescue CD to fix grub. |
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| 18:08.41 | GNU\colossus | I'm gonna give gajim a go |
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| 18:08.54 | tensorpudding | you should be using gnome already ;) |
| 18:09.20 | sereal-work | gnarface, that's correct, thanks. |
| 18:09.31 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: only one system. removing the single old drive and installing new, larger ones, on a hardware RAID5 |
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| 18:10.25 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Then current->external->new |
| 18:10.32 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Use a live CD and rsync. |
| 18:10.34 | gnarface | sereal-work: np. fyi you can use "ffmpeg -codecs" to list video and audio codecs available |
| 18:10.46 | sereal-work | humm i'm getting "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" doing ffmpeg -i test.avi -f h264 test.mp4 |
| 18:10.47 | somiaj | phorce1: you can hold a file system in a file. so you could dd (or rsync) the data from one drive into a file on your external, and then rsync it onto your new drive. I'd do this from a live system (I prefer rsync as opposed to dd since you don't have to resize filesystems afterwards |
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| 18:11.07 | somiaj | phorce1: well provided you can put a large enough file on the external (unsure the size of your filesystems) |
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| 18:11.25 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: I guess I get to rsync to the external, replace, livecd boot, partition/format, rsync external to new, manually fix grub. Yuck. |
| 18:11.40 | phorce1 | somiaj: yeah, what you said |
| 18:11.44 | gnarface | sereal-work: well not everything can be converted to everything but maybe you're missing important options. does it make an empty file or only audio or ... what? |
| 18:11.46 | phorce1 | <heh> |
| 18:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Yes, but live CD for the rsync to the external as well. |
| 18:12.04 | sereal-work | there is no audio channel in this video |
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| 18:12.11 | sereal-work | it makes a empty file :P |
| 18:12.21 | GNU\colossus | dammit! gajim support VV from version 0.14 upwards. Squeeze carries 0.13.4. :( |
| 18:12.29 | sereal-work | file out.mp4 |
| 18:12.29 | sereal-work | out.mp4: empty |
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| 18:12.40 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, its running mail/web services. Definitely want those stopped so either livecd or telinit 1 |
| 18:13.00 | GNU\colossus | oh, and there's 0.14.x in backports |
| 18:13.02 | sereal-work | er that should be test, but it's the same thing |
| 18:13.04 | GNU\colossus | *gasp* |
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| 18:13.53 | phorce1 | somiaj: the external is a 320Gig connected and holding /home now. / is all on a 9Gig drive. plenty of free space for the copy. |
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| 18:17.17 | phorce1 | The current setup was temporary using a 9G drive I had on hand when the old server (personal use, running on consumer hardware) died. I'm moving it to server class hardware but hadn't bought the drives or the RAID controller for the new system yet. Had to build it out with what I had on hand. |
| 18:17.41 | gnarface | sereal-work: what if you do something like this? ffmpeg -i [input file] -f h264 -vcodec mpeg4 -aspect 16:9 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec ac3 -ab 224k [output file] |
| 18:17.48 | zykotick9 | sereal-work, i doubt the ffmpeg from the default debian repo supports AAC audio, which is required for MP4 files. I was able to start a conversion with your origional command, but am using the D-M repo with their ffmpeg / libx264 |
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| 18:18.06 | gnarface | sereal-work: use the appropriate aspect ration in place of 16:9 |
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| 18:18.53 | zykotick9 | sereal-work, gnarface's manual setting of ac3 audio might work |
| 18:19.08 | phorce1 | Frankenstein's machine. single 9Gig Ultra160 drive holding /. PCI-X SATA card plugged in with SATA cable routed through the server case into the SCSI bay. 320Gig SATA drive sitting in an unused bay with an external power supply sitting on top of the server for that drive. |
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| 18:19.33 | somiaj | phorce1: I would do everything from a live system. If you can plug in that 9Gig drive into an external usb bay (my prefered method) you can avoid having to copy it to another external drive. |
| 18:19.37 | phorce1 | the 320 has /home for now |
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| 18:20.01 | somiaj | phorce1: but if not yea you'll have to transfer twice. |
| 18:20.09 | phorce1 | external USB SCSI bay? Never seen one |
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| 18:22.13 | phorce1 | somiaj: Probably easier to just do the rsync twice sinece it's only a 9G drive that isn't even half full |
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| 18:22.53 | somiaj | ah missed it was SCSI. I usually only messed with ide or sata |
| 18:22.58 | phorce1 | Its grub tha's going to kick my but once it's all transferred over <grin> |
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| 18:25.18 | phorce1 | somiaj: The club I run this for sent me the $$ to buy 6 - 146GB Ultra 320 drives. I'll run those as hardware RAID 5 with everything on a single-file-system-root. WAAAAYYY more space than we need but it gives me a system to play with my personal web sites on |
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| 18:28.22 | kristian-aalborg | who was the dude m/f who was helping me out earlier with the wifi? |
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| 18:31.25 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; check your logs to find out |
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| 18:34.09 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: Probabaly best to just ask your question than seek out the person who helped you eariler. |
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| 18:43.14 | monstaRtruck | guys u totaly tricked me |
| 18:43.29 | monstaRtruck | so i went and got debian cd1 |
| 18:43.35 | monstaRtruck | installed it |
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| 18:43.47 | monstaRtruck | now im missing most of my menu entries |
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| 18:43.55 | themill | dpkg: tell monstaRtruck about enter |
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| 18:43.58 | monstaRtruck | go debian! |
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| 18:44.50 | themill | why were you reinstalling? |
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| 18:45.17 | gnarface | because he didn't read the instructions |
| 18:45.26 | monstaRtruck | no i jus got debian |
| 18:45.29 | monstaRtruck | grrrrrrrr |
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| 18:45.37 | kristian-aalborg | boudiccas, somiaj I don't log |
| 18:45.45 | monstaRtruck | i installed debian for 1st time |
| 18:45.54 | kristian-aalborg | you newer know when assange is near |
| 18:46.12 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; assange? |
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| 18:46.42 | themill | monstaRtruck: so why have you been pretending to us that you've been using debian for the past 3 weeks? |
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| 18:47.03 | tensorpudding | because he's a troll |
| 18:47.15 | monstaRtruck | i have |
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| 18:47.19 | monstaRtruck | i was using lmde |
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| 18:47.27 | jelly-home | which is not really debian |
| 18:47.39 | themill | monstaRtruck: right. And we told you to go them for help, and then you came back and told us it was debian now. Unimpressed. |
| 18:47.53 | monstaRtruck | OK YOU KNOW WHAT |
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| 18:48.01 | themill | yes, I know what. |
| 18:48.14 | kristian-aalborg | boudiccas, Julian... I was trying to be funny |
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| 18:48.36 | kristian-aalborg | regardless, I have an ancient laptop which I am looking to have basic power management working on |
| 18:49.08 | kristian-aalborg | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:770 |
| 18:49.09 | kristian-aalborg | this |
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| 18:49.23 | tensorpudding | oh wow |
| 18:49.25 | tensorpudding | that *is* ancient |
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| 18:49.59 | tensorpudding | but yet, still very recognizable as a thinkpad |
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| 18:50.36 | kristian-aalborg | tensorpudding, they are as aware of design as Apple... they just go after another market ;) |
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| 18:50.43 | tensorpudding | well |
| 18:50.55 | tensorpudding | i wouldn't say they understand aesthetics in the same way |
| 18:50.56 | kristian-aalborg | this is a solid piece of design, btw |
| 18:51.09 | tensorpudding | but they understand brands, and functionality |
| 18:51.11 | kristian-aalborg | tensorpudding, true |
| 18:51.21 | joeoshawa | Hi i am having a slight problem network manager says i have no internet connection yet .. welll ... i am talking to you and web browsing but yet evolution says i am offline as well |
| 18:51.23 | nkuttler | lol aesthetics |
| 18:51.25 | tensorpudding | they knew how to cultivate an image |
| 18:51.37 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; is this related to debian? if not could you take it to #debian-offtopic please? |
| 18:51.39 | tensorpudding | i'm not sure lenovo does as well |
| 18:51.46 | nkuttler | right, just noticed this was #debian as well |
| 18:51.50 | kristian-aalborg | boudiccas, chill ;) |
| 18:51.56 | somiaj | joeoshawa: networkmanager ignores devices configured manually in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:52.39 | kristian-aalborg | I need to get apm or acpi working on this machine... I installed both and have tried a few boot flags but no luck so far |
| 18:52.44 | joeoshawa | somiaj, i don't have any manually configured devices |
| 18:53.09 | nkuttler | !tell kristian-aalborg about errors |
| 18:53.20 | joeoshawa | somiaj, it was all configured on install |
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| 18:54.02 | somiaj | joeoshawa: which manually concigures the devices for you in /etc/network/interfaces (Which then network-manager ignores) -- why don't you just go look at the file i pointed you to. (: |
| 18:54.37 | somiaj | joeoshawa: if you want to use network manager, comment out any line pretaining to the device you want network manager to handel |
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| 18:54.57 | joeoshawa | ok however this wasn't an issue till i upgraded to wheezy |
| 18:55.24 | joeoshawa | i don't care if network manager sees it i just want evolution to see it |
| 18:55.27 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/BkcsZz7z <-- dmesg |
| 18:55.50 | themill | joeoshawa: the two are intrinsically linked. |
| 18:56.22 | joeoshawa | ahhh that must be a wheezy change hence the problem |
| 18:56.27 | joeoshawa | ok one sec |
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| 18:58.03 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: read logs, google line that seems relevant, "[ 36.989726] apm: BIOS not found." |
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| 18:58.58 | cantido | thought all x86 boxen are ACPI now.. |
| 18:59.25 | somiaj | cantido: Doesn't mean people don't want to or have old hardware. |
| 19:00.17 | somiaj | cantido: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:770 -- that is the hardware he is messing iwth. (: |
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| 19:00.52 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: actually, it would probably be useful if you explained what "no luck so far" means |
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| 19:02.32 | kristian-aalborg | nkuttler, it means that it is not working, that I have to press the button to power of the box |
| 19:02.45 | kristian-aalborg | and yes, I saw and googled that line... |
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| 19:03.58 | jhutchins | How do I determine the encoding of a video file? |
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| 19:04.05 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: and you're sure you need apm, not acpi? |
| 19:04.16 | cantido | somiaj: old x86 hardware.. yuck |
| 19:04.19 | nkuttler | jhutchins: run it in mplayer? |
| 19:04.22 | gnarface | jhutchins: ffmpeg [video file] |
| 19:04.32 | gnarface | jhutchins: (should print out pretty verbose info) |
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| 19:04.38 | somiaj | jhutchins: I use mplayer -vvv or something like that depending on how much info you want on it. |
| 19:04.46 | joeoshawa | ok i commented out those two lines however it didn't change anything i did /etc/init.d/networking restart and logged in and out and still the same |
| 19:05.12 | kristian-aalborg | nkuttler, ThinkWiki says apm is recommended... also, this machine is so old that acpi is probably not supported |
| 19:05.12 | somiaj | joeoshawa: restart network-manager so it will decided to take control of the device |
| 19:05.23 | joeoshawa | i also have the device configured in network manager |
| 19:05.26 | gnarface | jhutchins: i'm sorry ffmpeg -i [video file] |
| 19:05.33 | nkuttler | kristian-aalborg: did you check your bios settings if it's enabled? |
| 19:05.36 | joeoshawa | ok so network-manager restart? |
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| 19:06.16 | Pinchiukas | Did a recent Debian update break munin? |
| 19:06.25 | nkuttler | !tell kristian-aalborg about poweroff |
| 19:06.31 | somiaj | oh I guess its mplayer -v -v -v (to keep incfreasing verbosity level) |
| 19:06.48 | somiaj | joeoshawa: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart (you need to restart the network manager daemon) |
| 19:07.01 | jhutchins | Hm, [mp3 @ 0xb7858640]Could not find codec parameters (Audio: mp1, 160 kb/s) |
| 19:07.54 | jhutchins | fox network, it plays ok on-line |
| 19:08.08 | jhutchins | Filename ends in f4f |
| 19:08.24 | joeoshawa | ok network manager is working |
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| 19:08.37 | kristian-aalborg | I get "Power management version 2.10" in bios |
| 19:08.43 | joeoshawa | ha evolution too thanks |
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| 19:09.13 | somiaj | joeoshawa: now I have another reason to not like evolution...its dependency on nm..(: |
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| 19:12.31 | joeoshawa | never really had a reason to worry about it. I use it as a contact list for phone numbers email etc and to keep track of all my appointments along with handling my email and everything else |
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| 19:14.22 | joeoshawa | if another email client will do that as easily and i can sync to another device running debian then i may switch |
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| 19:14.41 | Pinchiukas | !tell poweroff |
| 19:14.52 | Pinchiukas | !tell Pinchiukas poweroff |
| 19:15.13 | GNU\colossus | I just set a package to "manually installed" by accident (was auto-installed as a dependency before); how can I revert that? |
| 19:15.31 | joeoshawa | I want to get a hand held device i can run debian on and sync to it to keep track of all that while i am out |
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| 19:15.50 | arghx | joeoshawa: n900 might be able to do it |
| 19:16.06 | joeoshawa | yeah it can i was thinking that |
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| 19:16.54 | kristian-aalborg | still not working |
| 19:17.02 | joeoshawa | is there another better email client that will sync via usb and do all the stuff i mentioned |
| 19:17.15 | joeoshawa | if there is i will switch |
| 19:17.41 | jordanm | GNU\colossus: aptitude markauto |
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| 19:17.58 | Bouki | hi does anyone has a complete guide to install debian 6 with raid1, i have an error with grub2 at the end of install |
| 19:17.59 | GNU\colossus | thanks |
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| 19:19.57 | xi_ | how to know which file it is given file descriptor id? |
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| 19:21.34 | arghx | xi_: check /proc |
| 19:22.07 | arghx | xi_: /proc/<pid> should have an entry for each fd |
| 19:22.47 | xi_ | arghx: thx, and fd is unique among all opened fds for the time being right? |
| 19:23.02 | somiaj | joeoshawa: I usually use mutt, but if I want a graphical version I use icedove -- though not sure if it sycs by usb by default, I just rsync all the data between my desktop/laptop |
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| 19:23.34 | arghx | xi_: no. e.g. stdout is always fd1, but each process obviously has a different stdout |
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| 19:23.50 | joeoshawa | !tell joeoshawa rsync |
| 19:23.51 | jordanm | xi_: A file descriptor is unique as long as it remains open. if it is closed and another file object is opened, the file descriptor may be reused |
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| 19:24.55 | arghx | joeoshawa: unique across processes? |
| 19:25.03 | joeoshawa | apparently tell won't work on yourself lol how do i look up things again |
| 19:25.12 | xi_ | arghx: jordanm: thx. i got tons of this strace: 20:07:49 poll([{fd=9, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 0) = 0 (Timeout) |
| 19:25.36 | arghx | jordanm: was actually asking you: are they really unique over processes? |
| 19:25.44 | arghx | *across |
| 19:25.53 | jordanm | oh, that isn't what I got |
| 19:25.56 | kristian-aalborg | I get "system halted" and then nothing happens |
| 19:26.03 | arghx | jordanm: exactly :) |
| 19:26.14 | jordanm | xi_: if you have a full strace, just look for an open() or connect() that returned 9 |
| 19:26.19 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: when system is halted obviously nothing more happens :) |
| 19:26.36 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: you'll probably want to disable acpi, enable apm |
| 19:26.44 | jelly-home | on that old a machine |
| 19:26.51 | jordanm | xi_: well, actually the *last* open or connect() to return 9. other system calls may open file descriptors, but those are the most common |
| 19:27.40 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: if linux doesn't find apm, something's wrong. It's possible workarounds for older machines were removed at some point. |
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| 19:28.12 | jelly-home | !tell kristian-aalborg about kernel-params |
| 19:28.49 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: you can try a) booting an older OS (like Debian 4 or 5), or playing with apm-related kernel parameters |
| 19:28.50 | xi_ | jordanm: connect(9, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3306), sin_addr=inet_addr("x.x.x.x")}, 16) = 0 |
| 19:29.09 | xi_ | seems this 9 fd is a mysql connection socket isnt it |
| 19:29.13 | somiaj | joeoshawa: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 19:29.13 | jordanm | xi_: there you go. you got a timeout waiting on mysql on that address |
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| 19:29.29 | joeoshawa | so rsync is a backup program |
| 19:29.47 | xi_ | jordanm: mind if open a dialog? |
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| 19:30.00 | somiaj | joeoshawa: depending on your definition of backup. It syncs two directory trees (including timestamps, ownership, primisions, links, etc) |
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| 19:30.12 | jordanm | xi_: sure |
| 19:30.40 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: it's not a backup program, but backup apps can be easily built with it. |
| 19:30.40 | joeoshawa | ahh thats not the dpkg definintion |
| 19:30.59 | joeoshawa | dpkg needs updating then |
| 19:31.00 | dpkg | joeoshawa: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:31.01 | somiaj | joeoshawa: its not a backup in the sense if you use rsync to mirror a directory tree you cannot use it to recover any incrimentail backup, which say a tool like rdiff-backup does |
| 19:31.07 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: a number of those are not much more than wrappers around rsync |
| 19:31.20 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, hi again |
| 19:31.31 | kristian-aalborg | yes, but I want it to power off |
| 19:31.38 | jelly-home | joeoshawa: eg. rsnapshot, dirvish |
| 19:31.58 | kristian-aalborg | I still get the "apm: BIOS not found" error, weird |
| 19:32.08 | kristian-aalborg | this is squeeze, btw |
| 19:32.17 | zykotick9 | ut2003-demo using nvidia proprietary driver on squeeze 64bit, getting << Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". >> any suggestions? nvidia-glx-ia32 is installed. |
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| 19:32.58 | joeoshawa | well basically what i want is to plug in or through the wireless connect my device and have all my stuff sync between the two |
| 19:33.17 | arghx | zykotick9: ut has 64bit versions available afaik |
| 19:33.53 | kristian-aalborg | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch contrib main non-free |
| 19:34.04 | kristian-aalborg | could I add this, then get an old kernel? |
| 19:34.15 | zykotick9 | arghx, i know the last time i tried the 64bit version ran into even more serious issues - perhaps with old sound requirements, not sure. |
| 19:34.29 | kristian-aalborg | jelly-home, I already tried the flags I could think of |
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| 19:35.44 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: yes. or download it from archive.debian.org directly |
| 19:36.01 | joeoshawa | so say i am out and i add some contacts and appointments on my say ... n900 and i get a few emails that go to my computer at home i can connect it (through wireless router or via usb) and sync the two |
| 19:36.15 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: contrib and non-free not needed. you only need a kernel. back then, they might have been named "kernel-image..." not sure |
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| 19:36.23 | joeoshawa | that is what i want |
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| 19:36.44 | arghx | joeoshawa: mulberry imap disconnected mode |
| 19:36.55 | arghx | and for contacts and calendars there are sync protocols |
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| 19:37.57 | joeoshawa | arghx, your missing part of the convo |
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| 19:38.23 | GNU\colossus | is there a program that can display a dependency tree of all packages my system has installed? |
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| 19:38.47 | Bouki | hi does anyone has a complete guide to install debian 6 with raid1, i have an error with grub2 at the end of install |
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| 19:39.00 | arghx | GNU\colossus: apt-depends, apt-rdepends IIRC |
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| 19:39.10 | GNU\colossus | thanks, will have a look |
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| 19:39.44 | joeoshawa | so basically now i can use syncevolution to do that but if there is a better way that i can open a terminal and type a command and bam they are sync'd then i am all for it |
| 19:40.32 | themill | GNU\colossus: debtree |
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| 19:41.46 | joeoshawa | I think many times with linux people have issues with a program just because its what most are using not because there is a better way |
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| 19:42.26 | joeoshawa | what matters to me is that it works to do what i want and well |
| 19:42.44 | joeoshawa | whatever the best way to do it is |
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| 19:43.18 | elyphas | Hi, I had a debian system 6, but it was corrupted, and it not pass of "(initramfs)", this is a virtual machine, How can I recover my system?? |
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| 19:43.53 | ompaul | elyphas: boot older kernel or use your backups |
| 19:44.13 | elyphas | ompaul: ok |
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| 19:46.45 | joeoshawa | for instance if i can just click a menu choice and bam gedit brings up a file then i will but if i have to go open gedit find the file open it and then edit that file i will just open a terminal and type gedit /etc/init.d/interfaces |
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| 19:47.35 | lapsusbrutus | installed tor button. testing it from addon preferences goes ok, but its "unclickable" The red X do not dissappear (unless during the time tor is being tested, during tests it goes green) What could be my problem? |
| 19:47.44 | joeoshawa | sometimes the gui is better and sometimes command line is |
| 19:47.50 | nikin_ | yesterday i was here with my vnc problems... it looks like that the policykit problem emerges becouse a vnc session is never active, so i edited all the policies to enable inactive sessions, and so they work.... my only remaining problem is the cursos being an X instead of an arrow |
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| 19:52.38 | claw | hello i've never used a nvidia graphics card before |
| 19:52.44 | claw | what driver should be used ? |
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| 19:53.04 | joeoshawa | claw do you need 3d? |
| 19:53.06 | kristian-aalborg | okay, installing 2.6.18-6-486 |
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| 19:53.16 | claw | yes joeoshawa |
| 19:53.25 | joeoshawa | the proprietary driver |
| 19:53.39 | abrotman | claw: which nvidia card? |
| 19:53.44 | abrotman | kristian-aalborg: uh what? |
| 19:54.06 | joeoshawa | or if your using tv out as well |
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| 19:54.13 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: on your squeeze that will not work |
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| 19:54.27 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: udev will throw a hissy fit and then you will throw a hissy fit |
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| 19:55.21 | joeoshawa | claw, abrotman is right tho the card your using may make a difference |
| 19:55.49 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, hmm |
| 19:55.53 | joeoshawa | if i didn't need 3d or tv out i would be using the open drivers |
| 19:55.57 | kristian-aalborg | then, which should I get? |
| 19:56.18 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: lenny kernel is the lowest you can go. if you want etch: install etch |
| 19:58.21 | kristian-aalborg | funny thing, I installed debian on a machine very much like this recently, everything was working OOTB |
| 19:58.46 | arghx | your current machine is a stinkpad 770? |
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| 19:59.21 | kristian-aalborg | that's one of my current machines, yes... the other was a 380Z, only a year or so newer, but p2 |
| 19:59.50 | abrotman | wonders why arghx keeps changing nicks .. |
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| 20:00.31 | arghx | blames irssi |
| 20:00.57 | arghx | from /set: alternate_nick = erawfish nick = arghx |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | you could ... fix that |
| 20:01.29 | skilz | pan thinkpad 770 I feel for you |
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| 20:01.42 | claw | joeoshawa, nehme ich dann den treiber von nvidia.de ? |
| 20:01.46 | claw | srv |
| 20:02.01 | kristian-aalborg | I'm getting linux-image-486 now... |
| 20:02.03 | claw | joeoshawa, shoult i take from nvidia.de ? |
| 20:02.04 | arghx | claw: english please. just show us how well you learned in school :) |
| 20:02.16 | kristian-aalborg | skilz, good for ssh and editing |
| 20:02.24 | arghx | claw: no you should not install it from nvidia.com or .de. you should tell abrotman what nvidia chip or card you have as he asked |
| 20:02.26 | kristian-aalborg | looks awesome also |
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| 20:02.29 | joeoshawa | claw, what card do you have first off |
| 20:02.57 | skilz | kristian-aalborg: I have a thinkpad G40 picked up for $100, p4 2.4 hgz, 1gb ram, 32gb hdd, 15" display |
| 20:03.04 | arghx | claw: if you don't know which, lspci |grep VGA will tells you |
| 20:03.17 | claw | GeForce 9650M GT |
| 20:03.36 | joeoshawa | one sec |
| 20:03.53 | arghx | !tell claw about nvidia dkms |
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| 20:04.08 | skilz | kristian-aalborg: 770 looks full retro |
| 20:04.09 | kristian-aalborg | skilz, neat, put fluxbox on it |
| 20:04.13 | arghx | claw: debian non-free has working drivers for you and dpkg just messaged you how to install them |
| 20:04.28 | skilz | kristian-aalborg: Already have, with conky |
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| 20:05.03 | claw | arghx and what about wheezy ? |
| 20:05.31 | arghx | claw: same applies. tho you might get into X ABI troubles. if you do: you run wheezy, you know how to get out of them, right? |
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| 20:06.58 | thewanderer1 | is Sandy Bridge graphics broken (as in, kernel oops every 5 minutes) in Squeeze? would an upgrade of xserver-xorg-video-intel to Wheezy's help? (already on kernel 3.1 - needed for some ACPI stuff) |
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| 20:07.15 | arghx | thewanderer1: it would help if you used backports for kernel and xorg |
| 20:07.34 | arghx | and I really doubt you need exactly 3.1 |
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| 20:07.55 | claw | arghx, if no ill come back :) thank you |
| 20:07.57 | thewanderer1 | well, I'm using a known-good kernel and I did lots of testing with similar hardware so I'm kind of sure about 3.x |
| 20:08.00 | joeoshawa | thewanderer1, i would not use wheezy repos with squeeze |
| 20:08.13 | thewanderer1 | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 20:08.14 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+9; wheezy: 1:7.6+9 |
| 20:08.15 | joeoshawa | i would upgrade if nessesary |
| 20:08.16 | arghx | thewanderer1: have you tried the bpo kernel? |
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| 20:08.40 | thewanderer1 | arghx, nope, what version is there in backports? |
| 20:08.49 | arghx | 2.6.39 |
| 20:09.09 | thewanderer1 | ah, that one gave me hell with Intel GPU bugs (hang on boot) |
| 20:09.21 | ompaul | thewanderer1: come on /msg judd kernels ;-) |
| 20:09.34 | skilz | kristian-aalborg: http://ompldr.org/vYjZzZg/2011-11-09-070728_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 20:09.35 | arghx | you are mistaken. lots of people run it with their SB. e.g. babilen with his new fondlepad |
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| 20:10.08 | themill | thewanderer1: sandybridge is in principle ok -- a newer kernel and newer intel driver (both from backports) seem to help a lot |
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| 20:10.39 | thewanderer1 | arghx, there was some nasty bug in i915 in 2.6.39... actually I ported this 3.1 from another Samsung laptop and it works, apart from the unstable graphics |
| 20:11.17 | arghx | thewanderer1: the important part is to use kernel and xorg both from backport |
| 20:11.22 | joeoshawa | ewww @ intel graphics i stick with nvidia |
| 20:12.04 | thewanderer1 | I shall try the backports xorg... do I really need the backports kernel if the wheezy X.org is supposed to work with 3.x, and Wheezy's X.org version matches Backports'? |
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| 20:12.20 | arghx | you can stay with your heathen kernel of course |
| 20:12.22 | kristian-aalborg | skilz, neat - why the apple? |
| 20:12.28 | thewanderer1 | oh well, I guess it won't hurt to try! |
| 20:12.33 | joeoshawa | i like the fact that i can get the latest and greatest from nvidia and it works with linux |
| 20:12.57 | skilz | kristian-aalborg: Just a nice graphic I like |
| 20:13.03 | arghx | FSVO "works" |
| 20:13.05 | themill | thewanderer1: I was indicating a "minimum" kernel version that helps and where you can get it from, not being prescriptive about the use of bpo |
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| 20:13.27 | arghx | thewanderer1: and it helps to use bpo so you don't have to drag in nasty wheezy packagesssss |
| 20:13.34 | thewanderer1 | themill, ok, thanks |
| 20:13.41 | kristian-aalborg | still... no... success |
| 20:13.52 | thewanderer1 | yeah, this laptop is for someone so I probably shouldn't put in wheezy :) |
| 20:14.13 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: aren't there tons of howtos for linux on thinkpads? |
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| 20:14.52 | thewanderer1 | err, thinkwiki.org ? |
| 20:14.57 | bhundven | ^^^ |
| 20:15.14 | skilz | kristian-aalborg: thinkwiki.org |
| 20:15.49 | arghx | thinkwiki has nothing for such an old pad with new distro versions afaik |
| 20:15.58 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, indeed |
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| 20:16.47 | claw | arghx, does that mean that i can not use the 3.0 kernel ? |
| 20:17.01 | claw | linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` ? |
| 20:17.14 | claw | or why should i install the kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 20:17.43 | arghx | claw: please read more carefully. where are you installing a kernel? |
| 20:18.20 | joeoshawa | claw, for nvidia the kernel you have should be fine |
| 20:18.37 | arghx | claw: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) instead |
| 20:18.38 | claw | its because dpkg told me "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkm...." |
| 20:18.50 | claw | and this would install the 2.6 kernel headers |
| 20:19.35 | arghx | claw: install kernel headers for whatever kernel you run right now. then ignore this one command there. the nvidia-kernel-dkms and the rest are still required |
| 20:19.49 | claw | okay i just wanted to be sure |
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| 20:20.05 | themill | claw: what does "uname -r" currently output? |
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| 20:20.22 | skilz | uname -r |
| 20:21.22 | themill | ,versions linux-headers-2.6-686-pae |
| 20:21.22 | judd | Package: linux-headers-2.6-686-pae on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.0.0+39; sid: 3.0.0+40 |
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| 20:21.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay i'm having a bit of a headache :( |
| 20:21.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | root@holmes:~# sysctl -p |
| 20:21.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | kernel.shmmax = 17179869184 |
| 20:21.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | kernel.shmall = 4194304 |
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| 20:21.34 | themill | (there is actually a transitional package in place and that command still works) |
| 20:21.43 | themill | dpkg: tell TehRabbitt-Work about paste |
| 20:21.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | sorry |
| 20:21.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | didn't realize it was 3 lines X_X |
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| 20:22.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | my shmmax is set to 16GB / shmall == 4194304 |
| 20:22.22 | joeoshawa | TehRabbitt-Work, pastebin.com is a great site haha |
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| 20:22.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | I'm trying to start up postgres server with a shared connection size of 1GB (1024) |
| 20:22.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | and it fails every time |
| 20:23.12 | somiaj | I like paste.debian.net, less adds and sometimes pastebin makes you fill out a captula to see someone else paste |
| 20:23.13 | bash` | hi all, is there a way to avoid the scriptlet call when removing a package? |
| 20:23.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | http://pastebin.com/CRaiW2hw |
| 20:23.44 | themill | bash`: what are you trying to achieve |
| 20:23.44 | arghx | somiaj: timeout there is too fast. pastebin.com is awful, but there are tons others |
| 20:23.54 | arghx | somiaj: timeout on paste.debian.net that is |
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| 20:24.12 | bash` | themill: hi, I installed a package, now I cannot remove it because it checks for a dir that doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:24.23 | themill | bash`: can you pastebin the complete output? |
| 20:24.36 | bash` | themill: isn't an official debian package |
| 20:24.43 | bash` | but I can, yes |
| 20:24.49 | joeoshawa | somiaj, really, didn't know that i was using pastebin.com because its easy to type in and it doesn't have a specific distro in the name |
| 20:25.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | I was following this guide: http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/kernel-resources.html |
| 20:25.37 | joeoshawa | so if i am in the room for another distro i don't get "why are you using debian pastebin |
| 20:25.59 | joeoshawa | hrrmm |
| 20:26.14 | themill | joeoshawa: pastebin.com is slow, flash and ad-filled and makes us fill in a captcha to see pastes quite often. It's not our favourite. |
| 20:26.28 | joeoshawa | well my appologies |
| 20:26.34 | themill | no stress |
| 20:26.36 | joeoshawa | i will convert |
| 20:26.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | any ideas on why i cant get this working? |
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| 20:27.07 | bash` | themill: http://pastebin.com/TL5dDa3X |
| 20:27.09 | kristian-aalborg | food time, bbl |
| 20:28.02 | themill | bash`: you can stick "exit 0" in the top of the postrm that is failing. You might want to look at what else in the postrm you'd be skipping |
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| 20:28.23 | somiaj | bash`: the postrm script is located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgnmae>.postrm -- you can figure out why it is giving exit(1) and fix it. |
| 20:28.28 | bash` | great |
| 20:28.30 | joeoshawa | must add paste.debian.net to favorites |
| 20:28.32 | bash` | let me try |
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| 20:30.21 | bash` | somiaj: themill thank you so much! |
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| 20:31.08 | bash` | another question, is there a way to remove the old configuration files? I used to remove many packages with remove, but instead I want to use purge. How can I see a list of these packages? |
| 20:31.32 | themill | dpkg: tell bash` about purge |
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| 20:32.05 | bash` | great |
| 20:32.33 | bash` | thank you. bye |
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| 20:34.23 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if debian's sudo is selinux aware |
| 20:35.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. can transition to a privileged selinux role, and not just change uids |
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| 20:38.25 | fenugreek | itsnotabigtruck: you can make it so if it isn't |
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| 20:39.45 | Nirgal | gnome3 is a bit disturbing... Isn't there theme/window manager settings? |
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| 20:40.28 | fenugreek | Nirgal: gnome-tweak-tool ? |
| 20:40.44 | fenugreek | Nirgal: and there are a lot of "extensions" which might not be in repos yet |
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| 20:42.03 | joeoshawa | umm ... under system settings and administration have dissapeared |
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| 20:42.28 | joeoshawa | in wheezy |
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| 20:43.33 | joeoshawa | if your in wheezy don't use the latest update |
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| 20:44.35 | Nirgal | joeoshawa: click on your login name on the top right. You'll find system settings |
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| 20:45.24 | joeoshawa | don't see it |
| 20:45.46 | revolve | I'm having a problem where aptitude will only try to download from ipv6 addresses, but i'm not connected via ipv6 |
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| 20:46.23 | joeoshawa | got weather calendar and time xchat icon network window sound keyboard and network manager |
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| 20:47.37 | joeoshawa | ok had to add user switcher |
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| 20:48.25 | blink | I am trying to configure a debian box that does nothing but startx and load a browser with autoreload. I am stuck at the step of configuring X. The error is that it cannot find the correct driver when I run Xorg -configure. running Intel N10 Family Integrated |
| 20:48.31 | blink | any help would be appreciated |
| 20:49.28 | joeoshawa | that is really cool actually |
| 20:49.33 | blink | regretfully, just as I asked, I fixed it |
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| 20:49.49 | blink | by installing xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 20:50.07 | fenugreek | probably a package called xserver-xorg-video-intel or something that would've sufficed =) |
| 20:50.38 | joeoshawa | see irc works so well you answered yourself haha |
| 20:50.49 | blink | intel didn't work, error EE; seems to like dri, dri2, and glx |
| 20:51.19 | blink | so I guess I can start removing the rest until breaks :) |
| 20:51.29 | blink | adieu |
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| 20:57.41 | laidback_01 | have an interesting issue: when I type "fdisk /dev/sda" I get fdisk: unable to open /dev/hda: No such file or directory However, I know that this is where this was installed. I've attempted /dev/sd[a,b,c,d,e,f] and /dev/hda. All with the same results. Now, I use UUIDs to mount my drives, I can only presume this is why the system still works |
| 20:58.27 | laidback_01 | also, after typing "mount" I get a rather strange listing http://paste.scsys.co.uk/158233 |
| 20:58.57 | jordanm | laidback_01: I don't see anything strange about that |
| 20:59.30 | laidback_01 | my dmesg -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/158234 |
| 20:59.45 | laidback_01 | jordanm: really? what filesystem am I using for root? |
| 21:00.17 | jordanm | laidback_01: ext3 |
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| 21:00.27 | jordanm | laidback_01: look at /etc/mtab |
| 21:01.02 | laidback_01 | where does it say ext3? |
| 21:01.05 | laidback_01 | I can't sort that |
| 21:01.08 | jordanm | laidback_01: in dmesg |
| 21:01.27 | laidback_01 | mtab: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/158236 |
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| 21:01.47 | laidback_01 | jordanm: great, but typically, it's supposed to tell you that in the mount command as well, correct? |
| 21:02.01 | laidback_01 | I mean, why can't I open /dev/sda is what i'm trying to sort out. |
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| 21:02.58 | laidback_01 | by 'open' , I mean ;use fdisk on' |
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| 21:03.13 | jordanm | laidback_01: the error you provided says /dev/hda |
| 21:03.59 | laidback_01 | Oh, sorry, I attempted everything from /dev/sd[a-f] and /dev/hda |
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| 21:04.02 | laidback_01 | nothing worked |
| 21:04.03 | phorce1 | laidback_01: how about 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/' |
| 21:04.04 | thewanderer1 | I don't think /dev/hd* exist at all since 2.6.26 or maybe 2.6.32 |
| 21:04.16 | thewanderer1 | everything has been renamed to sd* |
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| 21:05.11 | laidback_01 | ah, my /dev filesystem looks borked: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/158238 |
| 21:05.51 | thewanderer1 | errr, is that Debian? |
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| 21:06.06 | laidback_01 | wheezy/sid |
| 21:06.46 | laidback_01 | looks like udev is doing something incorrect ... I dunno |
| 21:06.49 | laidback_01 | will keep digging |
| 21:06.53 | arghx | thewanderer1: some drivers still use hdx. mainly very old ones |
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| 21:07.35 | thewanderer1 | arghx, probably the old ATA drivers, but they're obsolete now and it's all on the new ATA+SCSI code |
| 21:07.44 | phorce1 | arghx: my lenny system shows all of my drives (mix of SATA and PATA) as sd* |
| 21:08.44 | laidback_01 | meh, I'm just going to rebuild it. I don't know what happened, and now I don't care. |
| 21:08.45 | laidback_01 | lol |
| 21:08.47 | laidback_01 | thanks |
| 21:08.50 | arghx | phorce1: sure. but my old 486 with ali chipset uses hda and afaik my sis 735 mobo when it still lived did too |
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| 21:09.57 | phorce1 | arghx: I think this lenny box still had the PATA drive as 'hda' before a kernel upgrade a year or so ago |
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| 21:10.58 | phorce1 | laidback_01: well, now you know not to bother trying 'fdisk /dev/hdx' after the rebuild. <heh> |
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| 21:12.33 | joeoshawa | i am trying to compile a package that needs gtksourceviewmm-2.0 is there a way to make it use 3.0 |
| 21:12.46 | joeoshawa | a simlink maybe |
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| 21:13.10 | arghx | joeoshawa: are those two compatible? |
| 21:13.26 | arghx | joeoshawa: and how does it request the 2.0 version? |
| 21:13.45 | jordanm | ,versions libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-dev |
| 21:13.46 | judd | Package: libgtksourceviewmm-3.0-dev on i386 -- sid: 3.0.0-1; wheezy: 3.0.0-1 |
| 21:13.53 | jordanm | ,versions libgtksourceviewmm-2.0-dev |
| 21:13.54 | judd | Package: libgtksourceviewmm-2.0-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.0-2; squeeze: 2.2.0-2 |
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| 21:15.25 | nbettenh | grub on a fresh install of debian testing makes refernces to (hd1,msdos3) when it should be using (hd0,2) how/where do I change this |
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| 21:15.49 | joeoshawa | http://paste.debian.net/143960/ that is the config.log |
| 21:15.50 | arghx | nbettenh: install grub properly |
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| 21:16.10 | joeoshawa | well the section pertaining to that error |
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| 21:16.36 | nbettenh | arghx: using dpkg-reconfigure? I tried that but /boot/grub/grub.cfg still references (hd1,msdos3) |
| 21:16.48 | arghx | no. using grub-install |
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| 21:19.44 | joeoshawa | so do i need to find a way to install 2.0 as well |
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| 21:20.14 | arghx | joeoshawa: you haven't answered my questions |
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| 21:20.54 | joeoshawa | i don't know if they are compatable and i just pasted the other question |
| 21:21.13 | joeoshawa | i am trying to google the compatable question |
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| 21:22.27 | joeoshawa | it looks like no compatablility was broken for prev to 2.1 |
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| 21:22.59 | joeoshawa | excuse the spelling error |
| 21:23.46 | jordanm | joeoshawa: you are probably better off compiling that lib to alternate location such as /opt and setting it to pkg_config path for the compile |
| 21:24.08 | joeoshawa | so how would i do that |
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| 21:25.25 | jordanm | if it uses autotools, probably mkdir -p /opt/gtksourceviewmm; ./configure --prefix=/opt/gtksourceviewmm && make && make install |
| 21:25.38 | jordanm | you will have to google how to set the pkg_config path, I don't recall off-hand |
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| 21:26.29 | arghx | joeoshawa: could it be one is for gnome 2 and the other for gnome 3? |
| 21:26.57 | joeoshawa | arghx, no idea |
| 21:27.11 | joeoshawa | the package is darkradiant |
| 21:27.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | Trying to install and Auto-Clicker program to my Debian... Its in a General Linux Package... i've extracted the package from the Archive but I can't find the installer or the launcher for it |
| 21:27.42 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: how did you install this program exactly? |
| 21:28.50 | joeoshawa | arghx, i am using gnome 2 right now |
| 21:29.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | I downloaded it and extracted it from the .tar.bz2 it came in since my built in installer won't install it, but i can't find the installer in the package |
| 21:29.20 | arghx | tried installing the 2.0 version frm squeeze packages? did wheezy apt throw a fit? |
| 21:29.21 | joeoshawa | gnome 3 is not in wheezy yet |
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| 21:29.48 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: find can search for files with the executable bit set |
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| 21:29.51 | cybuch | Hi guys. Is is possible to set the same home for 2 different users? |
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| 21:29.54 | arghx | joeoshawa: but parts are |
| 21:30.11 | joeoshawa | no was not sure if i should i generally don't like using the wrong repos |
| 21:30.16 | arghx | cybuch: you can to a degree by why would you want to? |
| 21:30.19 | jordanm | cybuch: sure, but you are going to run into permission problems |
| 21:30.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | I can't run .exe files |
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| 21:30.43 | arghx | joeoshawa: it depends how much apt whines and what it wants from the other repo to install which usually causes the trouble |
| 21:30.44 | Quibus | dpkg, gnome 3? |
| 21:30.45 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 21:30.45 | cybuch | jordanm: I guess that both users should be in the same user group? |
| 21:30.49 | joeoshawa | seems to have a habit of screwing up a system |
| 21:31.07 | cybuch | arghx: a friend is asking me about it : P |
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| 21:31.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | if it helps this is where i got it from http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/KAutoClick-2461.shtml |
| 21:31.13 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: .exe files don't have a exectuable bit set. /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 21:31.31 | Darkelfjuggalo | .msg dpkg permissions |
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| 21:31.35 | Darkelfjuggalo | dammit |
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| 21:31.51 | joeoshawa | so should i try it |
| 21:31.55 | Darkelfjuggalo | there we go |
| 21:32.05 | odla | hi how can i add an additional location to the paths for MAN and INFO? |
| 21:32.13 | jordanm | cybuch: more than that. the directory will neet to be +gs, and you will still encounter issues |
| 21:32.23 | Quibus | so, I guess like me, many other testing followers got hit by GNOME 3 today |
| 21:32.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | i know i have installed a few files from tar.bz2 file types before |
| 21:32.37 | cybuch | jordanm: +gs is kind of chmod? |
| 21:32.48 | joeoshawa | Quibus, i am wheezy |
| 21:32.56 | joeoshawa | but yes |
| 21:33.04 | jordanm | cybuch: setgid |
| 21:33.27 | odla | can i do this in ~/.profile? |
| 21:33.30 | Quibus | For me it's quite a shock. I guess that goes for most people who lost their funny applets and widgets and all |
| 21:33.35 | Quibus | How do you cope? |
| 21:33.52 | cybuch | jordanm: thanks |
| 21:34.20 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: you downloaded a source code archive. not a program |
| 21:34.26 | joeoshawa | settings and administration disappeared |
| 21:34.48 | joeoshawa | then someone told me to look under my name |
| 21:35.11 | joeoshawa | so i added the user switcher to the top bar and voila |
| 21:35.17 | Quibus | yes, and you will notice that it's a very small subset of what you were used to |
| 21:35.45 | Quibus | good point, how do I switch user? :-) I used to do: System Tools -> New Login |
| 21:35.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok how am I supposed to use it then? |
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| 21:36.00 | joeoshawa | however its the gtksourceviewmm package that has me totally screwed |
| 21:36.35 | joeoshawa | Quibus, right click the top menu bar and add apt and then add the usr switcher |
| 21:36.39 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: you compile it. read the INSTALL and README files |
| 21:36.45 | joeoshawa | you will see your name at the top |
| 21:36.52 | joeoshawa | its under there |
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| 21:38.24 | joeoshawa | apparently settings and such are now a winblows style settings manager apt, i do like it tho |
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| 21:39.03 | anddam | hello |
| 21:39.08 | joeoshawa | hi |
| 21:39.34 | anddam | what xserver should I install on a VPS? |
| 21:40.00 | joeoshawa | Darkelfjuggalo, usually ./configure then make then make install |
| 21:40.12 | Quibus | joeoshawa: add apt?? |
| 21:40.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | I have to change directory first right? |
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| 21:40.50 | joeoshawa | Quibus, sorry add to panel |
| 21:41.06 | Quibus | joeoshawa: there is no 'add to panel' |
| 21:41.07 | joeoshawa | the user switcher is under there |
| 21:41.11 | Quibus | I did find the user switcher |
| 21:41.15 | Quibus | But OK |
| 21:41.21 | Darkelfjuggalo | according to the INSTALL documentation it says to, but i don't remember how to change directory |
| 21:41.31 | Quibus | It seems that no gnome shell extensions are available |
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| 21:41.37 | anddam | Darkelfjuggalo: are you at a shell prompt? |
| 21:41.41 | Quibus | That makes using this GNOME 3 rather painful, IMHO |
| 21:41.43 | joeoshawa | are you in wheezy or testing |
| 21:42.00 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: wheezy==testing |
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| 21:42.44 | joeoshawa | well the repos are different for wheezy testing |
| 21:43.04 | joeoshawa | my repos are wheezy |
| 21:43.23 | joeoshawa | if yours say testing that would be different |
| 21:43.31 | joeoshawa | i am still in gnome 2 |
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| 21:44.06 | Darkelfjuggalo | Im reading the INSTALL and in the terminal... i haven't learned how to use much out of the terminal for running other things |
| 21:44.08 | joeoshawa | i still have applications places and settings menus |
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| 21:44.26 | rawsted | abrotman: why wouldn't i have to reinstall? i can't access the device anymore :) |
| 21:44.33 | anddam | Darkelfjuggalo: 'cd' is command to change current directory |
| 21:44.51 | babilen | joeoshawa: wheezy *is* testing *is* wheezy |
| 21:45.03 | rawsted | abrotman: device being the actual box. it's a seagate dockstar plug computer, no vga |
| 21:45.06 | abrotman | rawsted: you have no method at all to access it ? you can't hook up a monitor or do a blind file change with just a ketboard ? |
| 21:45.16 | abrotman | keyboar |
| 21:45.21 | abrotman | grrrr .. keyboard |
| 21:45.21 | rawsted | abrotman: refer to prior message :D |
| 21:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: testing is wheezy right now. squeeze is stable, lenny oldstable, etch is in archives. |
| 21:45.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | CD *username/subdirectory/...* |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | rawsted: no keyboard either ? |
| 21:45.35 | rawsted | negative |
| 21:45.46 | abrotman | so what does it have ? |
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| 21:45.48 | rawsted | 4 usb and 1 ethernet |
| 21:45.51 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:45.52 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 21:45.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | I've only used CD once before |
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| 21:45.58 | abrotman | rawsted: usb keyboard doesn't work ? |
| 21:46.27 | rawsted | abrotman: haven't tried it |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | might be worth a shot .. |
| 21:47.05 | rawsted | yeah i'll give it a try when i get home, good idea |
| 21:47.08 | abrotman | rawsted: i'm about to head home .. higlight me if you have questions for me ... |
| 21:47.10 | abrotman | highlight |
| 21:47.14 | abrotman | smacks the keyboard |
| 21:47.15 | rawsted | sure thing, thanks, bye |
| 21:47.22 | joeoshawa | ok let me put it this way are you actually gnome 3 or gnome 2 with some gnome 3 dependencies and such |
| 21:48.22 | joeoshawa | if you are using gnome 2 when you click your top panel you should get a menu with add to panel in it |
| 21:48.33 | joeoshawa | if not your not using gnome 2 |
| 21:48.51 | joeoshawa | and i can't help you |
| 21:49.17 | joeoshawa | when you right click your top panel sorry |
| 21:49.26 | jhutchins_lt | The 2.6.32 kernel would require approximately 28,836 punch cards. |
| 21:50.53 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: If you think you're running gnome3 you're either running sid/unstable or some other distro. |
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| 21:51.28 | joeoshawa | that was my point i am in wheezy not sid |
| 21:51.41 | somiaj | and of course the suggestion is run stable if you want things to work nicely without random/strange bugs. |
| 21:51.45 | joeoshawa | wheezy is testing not unstable correct |
| 21:52.00 | somiaj | joeoshawa: correct, the code name for unstable is and always will be sid. |
| 21:52.03 | jhutchins_lt | joeoshawa: Correct, sid is always unstable is always sid. |
| 21:52.30 | joeoshawa | if your using sid on your daily machine you should not be |
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| 21:52.44 | joeoshawa | unless you like going crazy |
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| 21:53.24 | joeoshawa | i would compare using unstable to using windows vista |
| 21:53.26 | anddam | do I need xserver-xorg-video-* at all on a VPS? |
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| 21:54.13 | somiaj | joeoshawa: I use sid on my daily machines (just not servers). Testing gets a differnt type of bug/issues (though sid is more likely to hose your system on an upgrade) |
| 21:54.19 | arghx | anddam: if you don#t run a X server, of course not. |
| 21:54.45 | arghx | somiaj: it's always nice to have that little bit of adrenaline on apt-get upgrade :) |
| 21:54.52 | arghx | "will my mail still work in 10 minutes?" |
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| 21:55.01 | anddam | arghx: I want to run remote X session |
| 21:55.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok I changed to the directory, but the configure cant find the source code |
| 21:55.14 | somiaj | arghx: apt-listbugs -- it will stop most major issues (unless you are one of the first to encouter it) |
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| 21:55.47 | AR-Brad | Help! |
| 21:55.48 | anddam | IIRC the client-server role in Xorg are the opposite of what one would think, that is if I'm running a remote session from my laptop the server would be running here, right? |
| 21:55.53 | arghx | somiaj: TMI. TL;DR there on a typical upgrade of mine :) |
| 21:56.06 | AR-Brad | Debian won't boot past the Gnome sign in screen! |
| 21:56.06 | arghx | anddam: yes |
| 21:56.14 | AR-Brad | How do I run a check disc thing? |
| 21:56.34 | anddam | arghx: and I have Xorg running here |
| 21:56.36 | arghx | anddam: ctrl+alt+f2 and log in there. but why do you think you need to fsck? |
| 21:56.56 | somiaj | arghx: my other advise is don't clean out /var/cache/apt/archives (very handy to have around to fix things with a few stratigitic downgrades) |
| 21:56.59 | arghx | anddam: you shouldn't install with recommends enabled on your VPS |
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| 21:57.12 | anddam | arghx: I don't think I have to fsck |
| 21:57.18 | AR-Brad | How do I check my disc for errors? |
| 21:57.24 | arghx | somiaj: granted but who has the diskspace when snapshots still has everything :) |
| 21:57.40 | arghx | AR-Brad: ctrl+alt+f2 and log in there. but why do you think you need to fsck? |
| 21:57.52 | arghx | anddam: thanks for pointing it out |
| 21:58.05 | anddam | arghx: --without-recommends , right? |
| 21:58.19 | wissem | hello |
| 21:58.25 | AR-Brad | arghx: I unplugged my laptop by accident and now it won't boot properly |
| 21:58.33 | somiaj | anddam: you can put a config snippit in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to just disable recomends on all installs. |
| 21:58.48 | AR-Brad | Wait, now it's loading. |
| 21:58.48 | AR-Brad | Thanks |
| 21:58.52 | wissem | how can I make fonts more smoother on my laptop? |
| 21:59.00 | anddam | arghx, somiaj: why shouldn't I be using recommends on VPS? |
| 21:59.30 | themill | anddam: I would (and do) |
| 21:59.35 | somiaj | anddam: I don't know why you shouldn't use them, I disable them on my machines and just cherry pick the ones I actually want/need |
| 21:59.41 | arghx | anddam: cause the recommends dragged in the xorg server most likely |
| 21:59.56 | somiaj | anddam: I personally don't like apt thinking it knows what I want. |
| 22:00.02 | arghx | anddam: and you asked about it so I told you why it's most probably there |
| 22:00.29 | anddam | arghx: well actually it was there as I asked aptitude to install xorg |
| 22:00.32 | somiaj | AR-Brad: are you running ubuntu or debian? debian usually doesn't have a bootsplash so you can actually see what it is doing (most likely fsck the disk) |
| 22:00.46 | arghx | anddam: ok, aptitude can't save you from your own foolishness of course :) |
| 22:00.53 | themill | somiaj: umm.. it's not apt, it's the maintainers offering you soft-dependencies rather than just hard-dependencies. |
| 22:00.55 | anddam | maybe next version… |
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| 22:02.14 | somiaj | themill: yea, which I like. I just don't always care for every recomends they suggest, though probabaly end up installing most of them. (: |
| 22:02.53 | AR-Brad | somiaj: Debian |
| 22:02.58 | lapsusbrutus | whats the best way to create my own page at /var/www where I can interact with a pc? like reboot, run own scripts etc. does not have to be safe :) |
| 22:03.12 | themill | somiaj: sure. And you can do that on a case by case basis rather than disabling them wholesale. aptitude's command line makes that very easy. |
| 22:03.19 | AR-Brad | somiaj: And it came out of it by itself without the need for a disk check, |
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| 22:04.28 | anddam | themill: you do what? use recommends on VPS? |
| 22:05.08 | themill | anddam: sure. |
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| 22:06.25 | themill | anddam: Recommended packages should be installed in all normal use cases. They're there for a reason, but because someone thinks that you might also be vaguely interested in some other package (that might be a Suggests, but they are not installed for you) |
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| 22:07.40 | dondelelcaro | lapsusbrutus: the best way is not to do that and use ssh. |
| 22:08.35 | twisted | hmm, why is transmission so heavily outdated on -all- debian releases? |
| 22:08.46 | twisted | newest I can find is 2.03, current release is 2.42 |
| 22:09.51 | somiaj | twisted: check out the bug reports, maybe file a wishlist bug. seems 2.33 is sitting in experimental |
| 22:10.08 | somiaj | twisted: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/transmission.html |
| 22:10.42 | anddam | is there a flag to install suggested too? (can't find in aptitude's man page) |
| 22:10.57 | themill | anddam: there is; you don't want it. |
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| 22:11.19 | anddam | not saying that I do, just curious |
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| 22:11.56 | themill | anddam: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
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| 22:12.15 | twisted | somiaj: I'll take a look if I can figure this page out :D |
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| 22:12.45 | jhutchins | What's our favorite kde friendly torrent client? |
| 22:12.55 | somiaj | twisted: it contains maintining info, sometimes tells why a package was removed. Though I would look at the bts, if there isn't a wishlist bug for a newer upstream version you can add one. |
| 22:13.20 | jhutchins | Prefferably for Lenny |
| 22:13.31 | Quibus | good night |
| 22:13.45 | twisted | jhutchins: well, Transmission is also available in Qt :p |
| 22:13.50 | twisted | but it's like outdaaaated :p |
| 22:14.04 | twisted | somiaj: hmm the bug page keeps crashing my chrome :o |
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| 22:14.58 | jhutchins | Interesting, it appears lenny got a major kde update. |
| 22:15.32 | somiaj | what? lenny isn't getting any updates -- its frozen |
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| 22:16.09 | somiaj | I don't recall many kde bugfixes in the DSA, but I don't reconize all the package names kde uses. |
| 22:17.20 | anddam | themill: thanks |
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| 22:18.53 | twisted | somiaj: heh thanks for your help but that page keeps crashing my browser |
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| 22:19.00 | twisted | it tries to pull some weird stuff :D |
| 22:19.34 | twisted | but 2.33 is too old too, either I want to update to 2.40 or I'll stick around on 2.03 |
| 22:19.34 | zykotick9 | twisted, i'm just curious - are you using chrome or chromium? |
| 22:19.39 | twisted | zykotick9: Chrome |
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| 22:19.50 | twisted | zykotick9: why? |
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| 22:20.07 | twisted | I only use Debian on my servers btw :) |
| 22:20.09 | somiaj | it shouldn't be crashing, I would figure out why. (: |
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| 22:20.18 | zykotick9 | twisted, i wonder if the same would happen with chormium? |
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| 22:20.28 | twisted | zykotick9: I've never seen Chrome die on something before... |
| 22:20.30 | twisted | not like this :o |
| 22:20.34 | twisted | I can try Firefox |
| 22:20.54 | MrHatter | have you used rsync succesfully to transfer a large file that you cant get in one go ? a partial transfer ? |
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| 22:22.37 | anddam | well in the case of a desktop environment I see the point in not installing recommended, I'd end installing xorg anyway |
| 22:22.51 | langkid1 | ohai |
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| 22:23.16 | kharloss | hi there. i have a strange problem. 3 days ago i encountered a big problem. at 12 ( i`m GMT + 2) PM my webserver stop responding / extremly slow conection using ssh. I see there is a large amount of data copied ( backup something maybe, or i don`t know) - i see this on hdd led, and harddisk sound like verry busy one. i`m not a power user, i`m more a webdesigner. somebody can help ? ( i |
| 22:23.16 | kharloss | mention, if i restart my webserver, everything it`s ok after) but restarting my server every night, ofcourse isn`t a solution. thanks in advance |
| 22:23.16 | twisted | hmm seems the only bug was about some crazy torrent that wouldn't load |
| 22:23.20 | langkid1 | what happens, if power is interrupted to the machine while debian is making/changing paritions? |
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| 22:23.35 | twisted | and that was... in 1.76 |
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| 22:27.03 | skirmisha | hi |
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| 22:28.01 | skirmisha | guys can you tell me why my module coretemp does not detect my CPU temp after standby |
| 22:28.14 | skirmisha | my pc is going very hot |
| 22:28.20 | skirmisha | fans are not working at all |
| 22:28.44 | Some_Person | Shut it down if it truly is getting hot with no fans running |
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| 22:29.16 | skirmisha | can not shut it down |
| 22:29.27 | skirmisha | there is something wrong with the module |
| 22:29.32 | skirmisha | it is working upon boot |
| 22:29.51 | skirmisha | but when it goes to standby then i get no info in lm-sensors |
| 22:30.00 | gihad | I moved from the 'nv' driver to 'nvidia' (installed using apt), and now windows resizing, draging and etc is slow, what could it be ? |
| 22:30.03 | AR-Brad | How do I go to the directory os/linux? |
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| 22:31.20 | gihad | It's a dual monitor setup, and I'm using gnome on debian testing |
| 22:31.20 | spm_Draget | # aptitude upgrade / Resolving dependencies... / No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. / 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 22:31.21 | MrFrood | AR-Brad: try quoting it |
| 22:31.36 | spm_Draget | What does this '2 not upgraded' mean? |
| 22:31.55 | gihad | I moved from the 'nv' driver to 'nvidia' (installed using apt), and now windows resizing, draging and etc is slow, what could it be ? (Dual monitor, Nvidia Quadro 295, Debian Testing) |
| 22:32.05 | MrFrood | spm_Draget: have you locked perhaps two packages? |
| 22:32.29 | Darkelfjuggalo | i hate not having a working battery in my Laptop[so need to retire this whole thing, haha] |
| 22:32.34 | spm_Draget | MrFrood: Not intentionally |
| 22:32.38 | AR-Brad | MrFrood "os/linux"? |
| 22:33.04 | Darkelfjuggalo | so I have my terminal in the directory for my Auto click, but I can't find the source code |
| 22:33.47 | skirmisha | any ideas? |
| 22:33.52 | MrFrood | AR-Brad: I think so - havein a "/" in the name was a bit silly |
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| 22:34.45 | innociv | How do I find out what is using up all my disk space? |
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| 22:35.46 | anddam | innociv: a hound, df, a disk usage dtool |
| 22:35.58 | anddam | s/dtool/tool/ |
| 22:36.06 | AR-Brad | Mrfrood: My installation guide tells me to go to "os/linux/config.mk" |
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| 22:36.21 | innociv | I get df, but a hound? |
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| 22:36.43 | Darkelfjuggalo | Does anyone know of a GNOME based Autoclick program, I'm so lost on this one [I need one that will click multiple locations on a timed interval] |
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| 22:37.19 | spm_Draget | MrFrood: How can I see 'locked' pacakges? |
| 22:37.39 | MrFrood | AR-Brad: that should just be a straight 'cd' |
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| 22:38.33 | innociv | well i'm doing du, human readable, sort by largest first, head right now... |
| 22:38.42 | innociv | Taking forever. |
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| 22:39.08 | MrFrood | !tell spm_Draget about hold |
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| 22:39.35 | arghx | Darkelfjuggalo: http://www.ironahk.net/ not gnome, but mono/.net |
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| 22:41.13 | zykotick9 | spm_Draget, would "aptitude dist-upgrade" offer to upgrade the two packages? |
| 22:41.55 | anddam | innociv: xdiskusage |
| 22:41.56 | innociv | "du -ah | sort -rn | head" listed a bunch of 1000k files as the largest, when I know that's not right. |
| 22:42.09 | anddam | innociv: don't use -h with sort |
| 22:42.10 | anddam | use -k |
| 22:42.35 | anddam | xdiskusage is a frontend to du |
| 22:42.44 | themill | innociv: or use -h for sort as well |
| 22:42.45 | anddam | or better it just uses du |
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| 22:43.17 | anddam | themill: but that'd need parsing, doesn't it? |
| 22:43.30 | themill | eh? |
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| 22:44.38 | spm_Draget | zeitsofa: Uh, exacly, thanks |
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| 22:46.57 | gihad | Hey guys, is it possible to set a triple monitor setup using to nvidia cards under linux ? |
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| 22:47.18 | anddam | themill: sorting du -h output doesn't produce a list sorted by size |
| 22:47.19 | abrotman | hopefully .. probably ask #nvidia .. don't see why not though |
| 22:47.36 | themill | anddam: sure, that's why you pipe it into sort -h |
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| 22:47.44 | abrotman | anddam: you can pipe it to sort ? |
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| 22:48.01 | phob0s | looking for ASUS Eee 1215b user |
| 22:48.03 | anddam | abrotman: I can |
| 22:48.11 | anddam | but I'm usually on BSD |
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| 22:48.20 | themill | !pal anddam |
| 22:48.21 | dpkg | points at anddam and laughs uproariously |
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| 22:48.36 | abrotman | bsd doesn't have sort ? |
| 22:48.41 | anddam | it does |
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| 22:48.49 | anddam | $ du -sh * | sort -h |
| 22:48.49 | anddam | sort: invalid option -- h |
| 22:48.52 | themill | abrotman: it probably doesn't have sort -h though. |
| 22:49.06 | anddam | actually first time I read about it |
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| 22:49.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | arghx thanks I'll see what I can do with it |
| 22:49.16 | abrotman | anddam: how about -n ? and don't use -h on the du |
| 22:49.31 | abrotman | is this Debian/kfreebsd ? |
| 22:49.44 | phob0s | looking for ASUS Eee 1215b user |
| 22:49.53 | themill | makes abrotman read the context |
| 22:49.59 | anddam | abrotman: ofc it has numeric, that's how I usually use it |
| 22:50.05 | abrotman | no .. i'm only starting from where i came in :) |
| 22:50.10 | themill | dpkg: tell phob0s about ask |
| 22:50.23 | anddam | abrotman: nope, it's OS X and most system tools are BSD's |
| 22:50.41 | abrotman | skips the context .. says crazy things .. leaned that from politicians |
| 22:50.46 | abrotman | learned |
| 22:50.50 | themill | heh |
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| 22:52.45 | phob0s | I need to know whether the AMD drivers works properly with radeon HD 6250 on Debian Testing. |
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| 22:53.26 | pupuserD6 | makes a stupid guess... you need to have amd chip ? |
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| 22:53.40 | abrotman | that's what radeon is ? |
| 22:53.53 | pupuserD6 | ah... it was more stupid than I thot |
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| 22:54.10 | phob0s | radeon is graphic card |
| 22:54.16 | pupuserD6 | ah ha |
| 22:55.01 | anddam | does mrxvt rewrap line? |
| 22:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | Is mediatomb still the best upnp server? |
| 22:55.48 | abrotman | !tias |
| 22:55.48 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 22:55.50 | pupuserD6 | most terminals at least have a wrap setting, if not default |
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| 22:56.54 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok and that's just got me so Lost... Next option... I'm looking on Debian.org for a Windows Emulator that will 'install' Windows Programs into itself for me to use |
| 22:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | !tell phob0s about eeepc |
| 22:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | ?????? |
| 22:57.13 | jhutchins_lt | "''' |
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| 22:57.35 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, cat wins. |
| 22:57.43 | pupuserD6 | what is wine |
| 22:58.07 | dondelelcaro | Darkelfjuggalo: we have wine, but that's it. |
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| 22:58.30 | abrotman | pupuserD6: winehq.org |
| 22:58.54 | pupuserD6 | abrotman thx... I was doing a "jeopardy" answer :) |
| 22:59.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | i can't find wine in the Package list, but maybe i'm in the wronge directory on the site |
| 22:59.26 | phob0s | ty/wc |
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| 23:00.25 | fenugreek | anybody using gnupanel? or something else? recommendations? |
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| 23:02.18 | pupuserD6 | is Squeeze backward compatible... can it run debian apps from previous (from Lenny / Etch...) ? |
| 23:02.49 | anddam | bye |
| 23:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Probably a good idea to get to know linux a little better and see what packages are available for it first. |
| 23:03.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | pupuserD6: unlikely |
| 23:03.20 | nkuttler | pupuserD6: usually not. was your package dropped or why do you ask? |
| 23:03.27 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: There's usually a slightly different approach to most tasks, and it's often better. |
| 23:03.42 | MrHatter | pupuserd6, check if it the package you want is in the repository, its probably an updated version |
| 23:03.56 | pupuserD6 | mkuttler problem with this package is, the upgrade or update version lost functions from earlier |
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| 23:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | pupuserD6: If not, you can grab the source code and build your own debian package against current libraries. |
| 23:04.28 | pupuserD6 | jhutchins2 ahh... nice |
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| 23:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | pupuserD6: Usually they're updated along with the rest of the distribution though, unless they're totally buggy or obsolete and replaced with something better. |
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| 23:05.33 | jhutchins_lt | (KDE3->KDE4 being the exception to that last bit) |
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| 23:06.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | jhutchins_lt everything I seem to need, or am searching for I can't find anyone that uses it or a program like it, and i'm going in circles doing it manually... I'm slowly learning how to do things... but the last suggestion someone handed me before 'wine' was to write my own program for what I need... |
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| 23:06.50 | pupuserD6 | jhutchins2 right... dunno who did the update... they werent the original author... no matter, I will go with [build against current libraries]... which I assume is standard configure make in Squeeze environment |
| 23:06.58 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: Have you tried here yet? Give us a shot. |
| 23:07.21 | jhutchins_lt | pupuserD6: What package? |
| 23:07.30 | Darkelfjuggalo | here is where i come for all my Linux program questions |
| 23:07.57 | pupuserD6 | jhutchins_lt it was called xzgv a nice viewer app |
| 23:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | pupuserD6: For viewing what kind of file? |
| 23:08.21 | pupuserD6 | jpg etc |
| 23:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xzgv |
| 23:09.04 | judd | Package: xzgv on i386 -- lenny: 0.9+svn40-1; sid: 0.9+svn40-1; squeeze: 0.9+svn40-1; wheezy: 0.9+svn40-1 |
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| 23:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | pupuserD6: no need to build it, aptitude install xzgv |
| 23:09.48 | pupuserD6 | right... version 9 doesnt work on my system... I have to use it on Etch and earlier version |
| 23:09.50 | jhutchins_lt | Darkelfjuggalo: How about you, what program are you trying to get from Windows? |
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| 23:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | !snapshot |
| 23:10.13 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 23:10.22 | nkuttler | pupuserD6: define doesn't work |
| 23:10.40 | pupuserD6 | mkuttler lost functions is probably better |
| 23:10.41 | nkuttler | or just use feh |
| 23:10.48 | nkuttler | it's n btw |
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| 23:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | pupuserD6: I don't think I understand the question. I thought you were looking for it on newer versions of Debian, not older. |
| 23:11.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | I was trying to get an easy to install and easy to use Auto Clicker that can click multiple locations with either a click limit or a timed interval[prefer a timed interval] |
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| 23:11.59 | pupuserD6 | yes... is why I asked, in roundabout way, if an older app would run on Squeeze... nope... none of the new versions work for me... |
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| 23:12.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | jhutchins_lt: he wants to use a version that was carved in stone on a modern release |
| 23:12.24 | pupuserD6 | no matter... somebody answered this... I should leave, and end the debate :) |
| 23:12.52 | pupuserD6 | nod to Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 23:14.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | The best Auto-Click I ever found in windows was http://www.brothersoft.com/autoclick-51202.html it did what I wanted and more, and it was able to help myself and other people on a game i used to play by using this auto clicker |
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| 23:14.54 | pupuserD6 | thanks for your answers... used debian since woody and it keeps getting better |
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| 23:20.48 | acu | how can I see where how much is transfered or left to be transfered when I launch dd |
| 23:21.01 | civillian | nooooo wheezy is all weird today, i've updated and I feel like I'm on Unity here.. HELP! |
| 23:22.10 | libertyprime | hey guys, i am compiling the linux kernel and was wondering if the original configuration for the kernel was saved somewhere when installing debian and if i can use that in menuconfig to compile a new kernel |
| 23:22.11 | themill | civillian: thank you for testing the new gnome release. Your constructive feedback over the next year or two will surely make it better. |
| 23:22.35 | civillian | themill: hahah its shit! |
| 23:22.37 | thewanderer1 | acu, use "bar" instead of dd, it does roughly the same but gives you a progress bar :P |
| 23:22.40 | civillian | (c) |
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| 23:23.36 | jordanm | libertyprime: make oldconfig. but really, you should be using kernel-package |
| 23:23.39 | jordanm | !tell libertyprime about kp |
| 23:24.03 | acu | thewanderer1: I am going to to a dd on a live system - I know it works - bar seems cool - have to do it as experiment first - thanks anyhow |
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| 23:24.14 | civillian | minimize, is it so hard for you gnome.. |
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| 23:26.44 | abrotman | thewanderer1: man dd .. you can get a progress bar |
| 23:26.45 | Darkelfjuggalo | I found and installed WINE... does anyone know how to make it install or Run a windows file? |
| 23:26.58 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: winehq.org has lots of documentation |
| 23:27.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | thank you |
| 23:27.28 | MrFrood | Darkelfjuggalo: wine prog.exe |
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| 23:29.00 | libertyprime | jordanm: thanks. one more question. a couple of hours ago i compiled the kernel but it couldnt boot the machine successfully. is it possible that this has overwritten the original config? when i do make oldconfig, it seems to be producing the default config |
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| 23:30.20 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok im going to make a directory for 'windows programs |
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| 23:31.00 | nkuttler | libertyprime: which error did you get during boot? |
| 23:32.11 | nkuttler | libertyprime: btw, you should probably use the kernel package, which saves your config in the .deb |
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| 23:34.11 | matk | printer problem ? whos ready |
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| 23:35.12 | matk | i have a brother printer. i got the .deb drivers . i opened it with debain package installer. it worked. |
| 23:35.16 | matk | its a network printer. |
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| 23:35.42 | matk | but add printer utiltity doesnt let me finish i dont have .ppd or it cant find the drivers. |
| 23:36.00 | matk | if it matters it doesnt connect to cupps website and read printer either |
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| 23:36.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | if I install this program using Wine, will I have to run it through wine everytime? |
| 23:36.53 | pipeline | yes |
| 23:37.33 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok np... is there a way to set a luancher for it that automatically accesses Wine to get to it? |
| 23:38.09 | yagoo | matk, try apt-get installing foomatic packages (apt-cache search), then use dpkg -L <foomaticpackagename> .. you may see a pcf or relevant ppd somewhere.. if you think it's not in the repo but in that downloaded deb, do -> dpkg -c <file .deb> |
| 23:38.49 | yagoo | !foomatic |
| 23:38.49 | dpkg | well, foomatic is a printing system designed to make it easier to set up common printers for use with Debian (and other operating systems). See http://www.openprinting.org for details. |
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| 23:39.23 | yagoo | matk, i'd also apt-cache search "pcf" |
| 23:40.22 | jhutchins_lt | matk: Which Brother? |
| 23:40.59 | yagoo | matk, if you list that .deb file, you sometimes may find out where there's a readme |
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| 23:44.03 | matk | hate to say it but im relaying what you tell me for explanation beacuse i can only yse the GUI. "complete newb"! brother mfc-490cw, and i have /home/user/Desktop/mfc490cwlpr-1.1.2-2.i386.deb |
| 23:44.35 | jhutchins_lt | matk: Time to learn the command line. |
| 23:44.40 | matk | i do love linux anyway. talk about support |
| 23:45.48 | jhutchins_lt | !general cli tutorial |
| 23:45.48 | dpkg | http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/, http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html or http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
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| 23:47.15 | jhutchins_lt | matk: One of the things that makes Linux so powerful and customizable is that it's based on the command line shell as opposed to having it grafted back on as an afterthought like windows. |
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| 23:48.41 | libertyprime | nkuttler: thanks. i think i have found what i was looking for in that time. there was a directory of configuration files under /boot |
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| 23:59.38 | albert | hi, the entries in my grub.cfg are probably messed up (i guess because i had a broken mtab in place when it was configured). grub loads but i get a kernel panic after /bin/sh fails with the error: error while loading libc.so.6. no such file |
| 23:59.49 | matk | what is the deal with me being the admin. only user, installer and not being sudo. and how to change that, |
