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| 00:01.22 | jordanm | matk: you can install sudo and edit /etc/sudoers |
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| 00:01.34 | albert | the initrd which is loaded also contains its own /bin/sh, right? so that initrd should also provide its own libc.so.6? or is that the /bin/sh from the real filesystem. but if it finds /bin/sh, why doesnt it find libc.so.6? |
| 00:01.49 | jordanm | albert: make sure the root= is correct |
| 00:02.24 | Darkelfjuggalo | *grumbles* have to find another Autocliker... *strolls to WINE forums* |
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| 00:03.15 | albert | jordanm: yea, that's the thing, i tried several values there but it always fails. i'm also not sure, there are several root= options in the grub boot entry. there is `set root=...` and there is `linux ... root=`. not sure what i have to put at what place |
| 00:03.40 | themill | matk: "adduser matk sudo" is sufficient. |
| 00:04.33 | albert | it was autoconfigured with some UUID but not sure if it is the correct UUID. also not sure, am i supposed to give some grub-like root there (i.e. that would be "(hd0,1)") or the dev (either /dev/sda1 or /dev/hda1, not sure) ? |
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| 00:09.35 | jhutchins_lt | albert: Sounds like rescuecd time. |
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| 00:15.40 | kreign | hi, I'm having problems with the debian's openldap implementation. |
| 00:16.38 | matk | for brother printer. i installed fumatic and it worked but what next. add pritner still asks for drivers and i dont have a .ppd file that i know of. , and nothing looks different |
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| 00:34.48 | matk | other debain network printer utilties? |
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| 00:39.08 | Maxztt | hey, using the 6.0.3 installer, how can I select just the packets i want, or rather, how would i not install grub. I can't find a way to deselect the packages in the installer anymore. Basically there is no selection of packets whatsoever. I hope I'm just overlooking something. |
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| 00:40.55 | albert | hm, where is libc.so.6 supposed to be? it isn't in /lib nor in /usr/lib. how can that be? shouldn't it be a dependency of other packages? and what package does it belong to? |
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| 00:42.25 | abrotman | albert: it's in /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 00:42.27 | somiaj | albert: on amd64 system? Its now put in the arch-depenent directory |
| 00:42.30 | somiaj | albert: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 |
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| 00:46.02 | ws2k3 | how can i allow an internal ip adres in my netwerk for all outgoing traffic ? |
| 00:46.11 | ws2k3 | in iptables |
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| 00:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ <- everything you need to know. |
| 00:47.39 | Maxztt | How do I deselect the desktop environment using the 6.0.3 dvd installer. (it works with the netinstall image) |
| 00:48.00 | ws2k3 | rofl |
| 00:48.15 | albert | abrotman, somiaj: and what package? |
| 00:48.34 | albert | hm, it's really missing. how can that be? broken filesystem? |
| 00:48.52 | ws2k3 | nice answer... |
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| 00:53.01 | Maxztt | I cant use the netinstall image on the particular computer I'm installing on due to network interfaces which are not supported by a standard install. Am I overlooking something? No matter how few options i choose, I always get the full standard debian gnome install. I don't need or want the full environment though. I basically just need build-essential to compile the drivers. |
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| 00:53.59 | somiaj | albert: the package is libc6 -- its a core package. |
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| 00:54.20 | diytto | Is there a way to create a cron command that will apt-get upgrade for me at midnight |
| 00:54.22 | user | how to delete the aptitude update cache? |
| 00:54.29 | somiaj | albert: note the moving it to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ is fairly recent. |
| 00:55.19 | somiaj | diytto: you have to be careful with that, some packages when they update will ask for user interaction. Though you can turn most of it off, there are somethings that may ask for such things. |
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| 00:55.39 | somiaj | user: why do you want to do that? |
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| 00:55.59 | diytto | somiaj: Oh yeah tht's true. Didn't even think of that. Thanks. |
| 00:56.12 | zorganite | hi |
| 00:56.33 | zorganite | anyone has an idea on why I'm not able to load firmware, in general |
| 00:56.57 | nkuttler | zorganite: it's not installed? |
| 00:56.58 | zorganite | for example, I'm unable to load the firmware for my iwl3945, but I was able to in the past |
| 00:57.11 | zorganite | no, it's there and it passes debsums check |
| 00:57.12 | somiaj | zorganite: check dmesg for the actual error |
| 00:57.14 | user | somiaj: I did aptitude update unstable in a repository looking for a program. Now my aptitude is unwilling to install unstable packages, even after removing the unstable repository sources.list. |
| 00:57.40 | zorganite | iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: -2 |
| 00:57.51 | zorganite | then it does the same for 3945-2.ucode |
| 00:58.04 | zorganite | (or the other way around) |
| 00:58.32 | nkuttler | is iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode the firmware file? |
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| 00:58.52 | zorganite | yes |
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| 00:59.01 | zorganite | and it's in /lib/firmware |
| 00:59.02 | somiaj | user: do you run stable/testing or unstable? |
| 00:59.05 | zorganite | and passes debsums |
| 00:59.13 | user | somiaj: stable |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | that was not a great idea |
| 00:59.32 | user | i'm looking for plowshare in a repository unstable |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | judd: versions plowshare |
| 00:59.42 | judd | No package named 'plowshare' was found in i386. |
| 00:59.51 | abrotman | user: next time, use packages.debian.org |
| 01:00.02 | user | abrotman: ok |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | at least just to look |
| 01:00.10 | nkuttler | zorganite: how are you trying to load the firmware btw? |
| 01:00.17 | somiaj | user: do not mix, you can break things. Did you install anything at all while you had unstable repos enabled with apt? |
| 01:00.24 | zorganite | nkuttler: currently I'm trying to do it manually |
| 01:00.28 | zorganite | through modprobe |
| 01:00.34 | nkuttler | i see. no idea then |
| 01:00.35 | user | What should I do for my aptitude back to normal? |
| 01:00.38 | user | somiaj: no |
| 01:01.22 | zorganite | btw, I was forced to remove intel-microcode and microcode.ctl just to be able to boot (well... it booted with these packages but it would take ages!!) |
| 01:01.30 | somiaj | user: well get your sources.list back to just sable sources, and then aptitude update |
| 01:01.45 | somiaj | user: when you run update it rebuild your cache |
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| 01:02.43 | user | somiaj: I did this, but it did not work. Aptitude still want to install multiple programs, including the Plowshare. I've removed the repository from my sources.list. |
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| 01:03.10 | somiaj | user: you did something more than just update your cache....anyways I have to go. |
| 01:03.28 | albert | hm, it might not be there because i just see a lot of out-of-space errors. is there a way i can check what files are all missing? apt-get says libc6 is already installed |
| 01:03.31 | somiaj | user: give the output of aptitude update or what ever command your running in a pastebin and maybe someone will help |
| 01:03.39 | user | ok |
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| 01:04.09 | zorganite | nkuttler: any ideas? I'm really lost on this one and am refusing myself to reinstall without understanding the problem |
| 01:04.32 | zorganite | another thing: this is kernel version independent |
| 01:04.43 | nkuttler | zorganite: no. i'd expect the kernel to check that directory |
| 01:05.29 | nkuttler | zorganite: though the error looks a little odd to me |
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| 01:05.59 | nkuttler | file req failed could be something different from not found. not even sure if the kernel loads the firmware itself |
| 01:06.51 | zorganite | taking into account that "ifconfig wlan0 up" fails, I would say it is not loaded |
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| 01:08.54 | zorganite | I'm unable to run a modinfo while the kernel is trying to load the firmware |
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| 01:09.14 | zorganite | so it seems that it really gets stuck |
| 01:09.20 | zromayn | Hey there: I'm running into the following issue (see http://pastie.org/2833878). I have searched everywhere for help on this and don't seem to find any answers. Please, point me into the right direction aobut this. thank you. |
| 01:09.32 | albert | how can i reinstall a package? libc6 in this case |
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| 01:10.45 | abrotman | albert: aptitude reinstall foo |
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| 01:12.06 | nkuttler | zorganite: btw that string only shows up in drivers/net/wireless/iwlegacy/iwl3945-base.c ... iwlegacy.. isn't there a different driver you could use? |
| 01:12.25 | nkuttler | !iwl3945 |
| 01:12.26 | dpkg | iwlwifi is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:13.06 | zorganite | I think iwl3945 is the latest |
| 01:13.36 | zorganite | it's an old chipset intel 945gm |
| 01:13.54 | syere | Can anyone help point me to instructions on how I can auto-start the ssh installation from a debian netboot cd? i have a server with only SOL, so I can get it to boot an iso but I have no way to direct the installation. |
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| 01:14.28 | nkuttler | zorganite: what did you between "past", when loading worked, and now? |
| 01:14.33 | zorganite | nkuttler: is there a way of overriding the firmware search directory? |
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| 01:15.15 | zorganite | nkuttler: not exaclty sure... I was playing with a custom kernel 3.0.0 to see if I could finally figure why my suspend does not work |
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| 01:16.06 | nkuttler | zorganite: didn't you say other kernels have the same problem? does that include debian kernels? |
| 01:16.10 | zorganite | so I was in a "echo 1 > /sys/power/pm_(*something*)", suspend, hard reboot cycle |
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| 01:16.37 | zorganite | to be able use the system clock to store some debug information about the suspend process |
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| 01:16.54 | nkuttler | i don't see how that's relevant |
| 01:16.57 | zorganite | but I'm not 100% sure what was the last thing I did before it failed... |
| 01:17.03 | zorganite | I was tired... |
| 01:17.16 | zorganite | and I was a weekend away before I looked at this again |
| 01:17.28 | zorganite | so everything is kind of fuzzy now :/ |
| 01:17.40 | zorganite | I've tested this with Debian's 2.6.32 and 3.0.0 |
| 01:17.52 | albert | ok, it's /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6. and it's only there. is that correct? do binaries search there by default? |
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| 01:18.28 | Scott0 | is there anything i need to install to get webcams working in squeeze? |
| 01:18.56 | Scott0 | having quite the difficulty with spca561 and spca505 based cameras |
| 01:19.05 | kleanchap | I got the following error messages on a newly installed Debian. Is anyone else getting these errors? In the Gnome, I had the icon saying that there were some updates that I needed to apply. I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and got these error messages. |
| 01:19.08 | kleanchap | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/504685/ |
| 01:19.27 | zorganite | I do have some libstdc packages on hold because of this 2.6.32 kernel... but that didn't change, it's something I have for a long time already |
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| 01:21.01 | albert | well, it doesnt seem so because it still does not find the libc.so.6. how can that be? |
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| 01:23.34 | spm_Draget | Default location to put scripts that are run by the initsystem? |
| 01:24.21 | zorganite | if only we could strace the kernel!!! :P |
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| 01:28.24 | macrobat | kleanchap: how is / mounted? what permissions do those /usr/lib/ files have? do you use selinux? |
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| 01:29.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | anyone in here adept at using the image manipulator that comes with GNOME? |
| 01:30.13 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 01:30.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:31.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | *smacks dpkg* |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: which image editor .. there are a few |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | boudiccas: try actually helping |
| 01:32.29 | macrobat | Darkelfjuggalo: gimp? |
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| 01:32.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | GIMP 2.6 is the start up banner |
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| 01:32.57 | kleanchap | macrobat, It is a default install of Debian. I do not know if selinux was installed. At least I do not see any menu item in the System->Administration menu. |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: so what do you want to know about it ? |
| 01:33.51 | Darkelfjuggalo | i am trying to add Text to images... I figured that out, BUT i can't edit the text formatting [fonts sizes colors] |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: IIRC, that's easier to do before you start typing |
| 01:35.00 | zorganite | nkuttler: how can I check where the driver is looking for the firmware? |
| 01:35.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | huh? what is IIRC? [i know IRC is the chat system we use] |
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| 01:36.06 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: google "what does IIRC mean" |
| 01:36.12 | spm_Draget | Darkelfjuggalo: I think it is 'if I recall correctly' |
| 01:36.17 | zorganite | !firmware |
| 01:36.17 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 01:36.45 | abrotman | !fish |
| 01:36.45 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 01:36.46 | yagoo | likes to use "list of software <type> site:wikipedia.org" |
| 01:36.52 | spm_Draget | Darkelfjuggalo: i.e. 'I think it is this, but cannot check right now/am to lazy. |
| 01:36.54 | yagoo | googlish tasks |
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| 01:40.14 | Darkelfjuggalo | thanks... |
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| 01:48.35 | zorganite | nkuttler: thanks for your help |
| 01:48.44 | zorganite | giving up for today... :( |
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| 02:04.46 | OldParr | is making your own live covered in the debian official documentation ? |
| 02:05.27 | OldParr | i only find external links ... |
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| 02:07.56 | OldParr | i mean live CD |
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| 02:08.47 | kmonk | hello OldParr :D |
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| 02:09.53 | kmonk | i had success with "live-helper" |
| 02:10.22 | kmonk | it's in the repositories. otherwise, checkout the debian live project wiki, you should find some documentation there. |
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| 02:10.49 | dpcmain | How to install debian wheey from usb? |
| 02:11.00 | dpcmain | anyboy know? |
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| 02:11.37 | arghx | dpcmain: install squeeze and switch to wheezy via dist-upgrade |
| 02:12.00 | dpcmain | arghx: I want to install wheezy direct |
| 02:12.15 | arghx | then use the wheezy installer and pray it actually works |
| 02:12.24 | OldParr | kmonk: i am looking http://wiki.debian.org/ thanks |
| 02:13.17 | kmonk | OldParr: http://live.debian.net/ its also worth a look |
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| 02:13.35 | dpcmain | arghx: I download iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 02:13.45 | dpcmain | arghx: I down load kde-1.iso |
| 02:13.54 | arghx | !tell dpcmain about hybrid image |
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| 02:13.59 | arghx | those are hybrid images |
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| 02:14.17 | dpcmain | arghx: give me a link |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | you gave him the link ? |
| 02:14.47 | dpcmain | not yet |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | yes, you did |
| 02:15.18 | arghx | dpcmain: you already downloaded the hybrid image, why do it again? |
| 02:15.48 | dpcmain | I want to install debian wheezy from usb, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | that's fine .. put that on your usb drive |
| 02:16.58 | dpcmain | abrotman: I have put it on usb, now is f:\debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 02:17.07 | dpcmain | abrotman: then, how to |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | dpcmain: you did it wrong .. read the installation manual |
| 02:17.19 | arghx | dpcmain: that's the wrong way. please read what dpkg wrote to you again |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | and no .. we won't spoon feed you .. if you're going to run testing, this is a pretty basic task compared to what will be coming at you |
| 02:18.32 | kmonk | if you MUST use usb, then prehaps this is a good place to start? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-usb |
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| 02:18.52 | abrotman | kmonk: that is out of date and wrong |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | but now that you've linked it ... i'm sure he'll use it and wonder why it does'nt work |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | oh .. that may not be wrong .. thought it was something else |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | but he should really use the official installation guide .. the procedure hasn't changed |
| 02:20.00 | kmonk | indeed. |
| 02:20.14 | arghx | abrotman: but he uses windows. is there a good debian description what to do from windows? or the actual tools? |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | he didn't say anything about windows ? |
| 02:21.02 | arghx | and the description kmonk linked is a bad way if you see it from hybrid image POV. very bad way |
| 02:21.27 | arghx | < dpcmain> abrotman: I have put it on usb, now is f:\debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso he didn't? or is f:\ now MSDOS 3.1 or what? |
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| 02:22.01 | abrotman | arghx: it could be DOS .. or he could just be using that as some weird idea in his head that everything has a drive letter :) |
| 02:22.10 | dpcmain | I use windows |
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| 02:22.28 | dpcmain | How can i install debian wheezy from usb? |
| 02:22.52 | arghx | yes he could. and he could run a Xen DomU right now not knowing what to do... get real. that is the weakness of the debian descriptions: don't tell how you install it from the most commom OS out there :) |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | they used to |
| 02:23.18 | arghx | dpcmain: you write the image _directly_ to an usb stick, not on the filesystm of the usb stick as you did |
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| 02:23.31 | arghx | abrotman: the only image writer I know of is from ubuntu |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | arghx: they used to have another |
| 02:24.20 | blackshirt | are there php5-fpm packages from official repos ? |
| 02:24.24 | arghx | dpcmain: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer use that. you better figure out how to use it on your own, or wheezy is not for you. I doubt it actually is but then, you can always come back here when you can't make it work, which you probably will |
| 02:24.33 | dpcmain | arghx: I have used netbootin to install wheezh last night, but failed |
| 02:24.40 | arghx | blackshirt: what does the "-fpm" part entail? |
| 02:25.04 | arghx | dpcmain: predictable. cause unetbootin doesn't work well with debian images. "can't find CD" usually |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | blackshirt: i think there are not .. |
| 02:25.22 | blackshirt | arghx: fpm for fast process manager, like php-cgi mode |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | blackshirt: did you check the php5 source package release notes? |
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| 02:26.01 | dpcmain | arghx: unetbootin, when I boot from usb, nothing show |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | blackshirt: see 5.5.3-2 * Don't build FPM SAPI now |
| 02:26.36 | dpcmain | arghx: give me a simple method to install wheezy on windows? |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | he did |
| 02:26.47 | blackshirt | abrotman: thanks, not yet.. but i want prebuild packages.. someone advice to use dotdeb.org repos |
| 02:26.57 | arghx | dpcmain: I gave you one, but you were, again, too dense to see it |
| 02:27.12 | abrotman | blackshirt: that person is a bad source of advice .. those packages are poor quality .. and generally mess up Debian |
| 02:27.49 | arghx | blackshirt: the funny thing abotu dotdeb is, they actually work at first, but when you upgrade your debian later you always end up in trouble and can't properly upgrade |
| 02:28.00 | abrotman | !tell blackshirt about dotdeb |
| 02:28.22 | kmonk | what about backports and debian multimedia repostiroies for squeeze, is that ok? |
| 02:28.37 | dpcmain | arghx: I cannot access network, I use pppoe |
| 02:29.04 | arghx | kmonk: to a degree. mmedia is ok and gives you some features you want but if you mix squeeze and mmedia packages, you can get troubles sometimes. backports is usually well behaved |
| 02:29.09 | dpcmain | arghx: so, i need pppoeconf to login my ADSL |
| 02:29.23 | arghx | dpcmain: you are here. or am I imagining you typing on the internet? |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | the CD has pppoeconf |
| 02:29.58 | blackshirt | abrotman, arghx: thanks for advice.. php5 on squeeze has version 5.3.3 .. i think, i must self compile php5 for fpm support |
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| 02:30.15 | arghx | ,versions php5 |
| 02:30.16 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8.0-1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 02:30.30 | arghx | blackshirt: what version of php do you need? |
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| 02:30.52 | abrotman | blackshirt: yes, you would have to do that .. |
| 02:30.59 | dpcmain | arghx: .... the method you give me http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/, may need network when installing |
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| 02:31.12 | sohum | aptitude just seems to ignore anything I specify in ~/.aptitude/config |
| 02:31.16 | arghx | dpcmain: I never ever gave you this kitenet article. ever |
| 02:31.18 | blackshirt | abrotman: or should we use backports.debian.org repos ? |
| 02:31.22 | jordanm | blackshirt: what is the benefit over suphp? |
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| 02:31.50 | arghx | blackshirt: do you see php5 in backports from the above listing?. again: which php version do you need? |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | blackshirt: i don't tihnk that -fpm module is built anywhere |
| 02:31.59 | blackshirt | arghx: i just want php-fpm from repos, but not available for this time |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | judd: versions php5-fpm |
| 02:32.04 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.8.0-1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 02:32.13 | arghx | blackshirt: please answer my question? |
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| 02:32.17 | abrotman | oh .. it is .. i suppose he could backport his own .. |
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| 02:32.25 | kmonk | dpcmain: you might want to start with a cd if you can dpcmain it's so much easier for beginners and less can go wrong. |
| 02:32.42 | blackshirt | arghx: abrotman said 5.5.3 version |
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| 02:33.33 | kmonk | cd with an simple wired broadband connection. it's almost foolproof. |
| 02:33.36 | blackshirt | jordanm: i just doing web-development, on nginx with php and mysql support, |
| 02:33.38 | arghx | kmonk: we told him to start with a known working installer, but he insists on wheezy installers for some foolish reason |
| 02:33.46 | blackshirt | jordanm: i think, i need php-fpm |
| 02:34.00 | arghx | blackshirt: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 02:34.17 | kmonk | nono, if one cannot figure out this much then wheezy is definately a bad idea! c_c |
| 02:34.56 | jordanm | blackshirt: if its just development, I really doubt you need fpm. I would think anything that can execute PHP should be fine |
| 02:35.05 | dpcmain | arghx: foolish? I have not cdrom, |
| 02:35.18 | dpcmain | arghx: this is foolish? |
| 02:35.38 | arghx | dpcmain: it's not foolish to install from usb. it's foolish to insist on a installer image which might work or not |
| 02:35.57 | arghx | dpcmain: wheezy installer images are frequently broken and don't work at all |
| 02:36.24 | arghx | that is why the preferred way to run wheezy if one must is to install a minimal squeeze and switch to testing |
| 02:37.50 | arghx | but people actually suited for wheezy one doesn't have to tell since they already know their way around debian quite well and solve problems like this on their own. due to their knowledge and familiarity they can then help with the actual task when running testing:making debian better and create a new debian stable down the road |
| 02:37.53 | DanDare | the preferred way to run wheezy is just the way you like. the best way to download squeeze is getting the small ISOS |
| 02:38.47 | arghx | dpcmain: we don't tell you to install squeeze cause we are cruel. there is a reason to our apparent madness |
| 02:38.48 | DanDare | this way you dont waste people bandwidth if packages you will never use (perhaps) |
| 02:38.50 | OldParr | kmonk: live-build is very friendly |
| 02:38.51 | dpcmain | arghx: ....... I need to install 6.03, then apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:39.15 | arghx | dpcmain: "need" is to harsh a word, but it's the preferred way |
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| 02:41.35 | dpcmain | arghx: I have try this method last day, yes, it success, but when I update to testing version, I lost a lot of package, many package depend。 |
| 02:42.03 | arghx | dpcmain: testing is broken all the time. this is why It's called "testing" |
| 02:42.06 | kmonk | OldParr: it is, when you look at how customizable it is with the likes of live-helper you can make any kind of live iso with debian. |
| 02:42.10 | jordanm | !qotd0 |
| 02:42.10 | dpkg | <Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive |
| 02:42.15 | dpcmain | arghx: When I install ibus, it need to install 100+Mb package, and this need me to remove my desktop env |
| 02:42.45 | dpcmain | arghx: Some people tell me debian testing is not testing, it's stable enough |
| 02:42.52 | arghx | dpcmain: we tell people not to run testing for a reason. and people running testing are expected to know how to solve dependency problems like you encountered |
| 02:43.01 | arghx | dpcmain: and those people are morons without a clue |
| 02:43.17 | dpcmain | arghx: I think debian should release a daily build live-cd from usb. |
| 02:43.26 | jordanm | dpcmain: the installation of ibus is not what is wanting to remove your desktop env. those package are likely already marked for removal due to a previous action |
| 02:43.59 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: it does, actually. http://live.debian.net/ |
| 02:44.03 | arghx | dpcmain: yes. and you should pay the people doing this pointless thing. debian is made by volunteers, no payment at all. so they don't do everything just cause it's cool. it takes a lot of work to create debian as it is |
| 02:44.47 | dpcmain | jordanm: ... this is not the right action of a package manager like apt, when i run apt-get autoremove, it remove all my desk environment |
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| 02:44.52 | OldParr | kmonk: live-build makes a lenny live CD , but, can i install squeeze from the installer of that live? |
| 02:44.56 | jordanm | arghx: I am pretty sure the builds are automated, and do not require additional work from developers |
| 02:45.25 | batouzo | after installing simple server with no desktop, I added xserver xbase-client openbox - how to start the X? Im logged as the user in VT2 |
| 02:45.26 | Hydroxide | jordanm, dpcmain: actually, no. some of those live builds are not working right now. automation doesn't mean it doesn't require additional work from developers. |
| 02:45.26 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: I have visit that site, but I can not find live-cd iso |
| 02:45.30 | arghx | jordanm: creating a properly working testing needs more than automated build tools. and creating a daily debian stable build is kinda pointless |
| 02:45.47 | arghx | we have 6.0.3 for a reason and not 6.1109 :) |
| 02:45.53 | jordanm | !tell dpcmain about unmarkauto |
| 02:46.10 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: yeah, looks like the only pre-built live images available are for stable and oldstable. however you can totally use the live-helper tools and build a customized one yourself. see that website for info |
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| 02:47.00 | jordanm | batouzo: install the xinit package and use startx |
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| 02:47.25 | jordanm | Hydroxide: yeah, failures that require repair would require additional work.. |
| 02:47.35 | batouzo | jordanm: can't start it in other way? with less software? |
| 02:47.40 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: anyway, indeed, debian testing is not a distro where you can blindly approve all requested updates and have things work 100% of the time |
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| 02:47.52 | jordanm | batouzo: "X" |
| 02:48.04 | Hydroxide | jordanm: indeed. I was working with some of the debian-live people at debconf11 and may eventually return to that. I know first-hand how there's work needing to be done |
| 02:48.10 | batouzo | jordanm: and how to tell X to run openbox... run it from VT after running X? |
| 02:48.23 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: ....... if i need to build that by myself, I prefer to buy a cdrom... |
| 02:48.24 | kmonk | OldParr: you can. the way i did it was this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en . not easy, but way powerfull. |
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| 02:48.37 | jordanm | batouzo: install xinit, use startx, and put whatever you need to start openbox in your .xinitrc |
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| 02:49.12 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: well you can. there are vendors who sell debian cds, including snapshots of unreleased versions, as well as stable versions |
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| 02:49.30 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: though the live-build tools do most of the work for you, after you tel it which to do. |
| 02:49.39 | jordanm | Hydroxide: ah, you made the trip out to bosnia? |
| 02:49.56 | Hydroxide | jordanm: yup. was quite fun and at least somewhat productive :) |
| 02:50.04 | OldParr | kmonk: that is probably far beyond my computer skills |
| 02:50.30 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: oh, by god. |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | which ones? |
| 02:50.55 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: I'm in China |
| 02:51.08 | OldParr | kmonk: i prefer something more automatic by now |
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| 02:51.33 | dpcmain | arghx: update to testing is so hard |
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| 02:51.53 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: if your internet access is slow, you might want to buy CDs. I would expect that you can get them in china. in fact, we seem to list a vendor in china: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#cn |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | but downloading an ISO is esay ... |
| 02:52.04 | Hydroxide | http://www.beautifullinux.com/dist/debian/ |
| 02:52.13 | Hydroxide | abrotman: not if he wants the full set of debian discs |
| 02:52.17 | dpcmain | arghx: My prev debian is crash from an update, may be driver crash |
| 02:52.19 | Hydroxide | abrotman: which he might if his internet access is slow |
| 02:52.53 | arghx | dpcmain: why do you need testing in the first place? |
| 02:53.26 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: you can go to that beautifullinux.com web link to download a full set of debian 6.0.3 (squeeze) discs, so that you will be able to install anything in debian from those discs, except for security updates and critical fixes which still come from the internet |
| 02:53.39 | Hydroxide | err, you can go there to buy them, not to download them |
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| 02:54.22 | abrotman | Hydroxide: my point being that he can take the bandwidth for a full ISO but not for packages? |
| 02:54.26 | batouzo | in openbox, how to have alt+f2 like in gnome? |
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| 02:54.53 | dpcmain | jordanm: It's a disaster, my god |
| 02:54.56 | jingfeihu | Hi, I want to install mingw32 on debian 6. And I followed http://wiki.njh.eu/Cross_Compiling_for_Win32. But when i execute dpkg-architecture -aw32-386. It failed with Unkown Debian architecture w32-i386, you must specify GNU system type, too at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 144. Anyone know how to fix it ? |
| 02:55.09 | jordanm | dpcmain: huh? |
| 02:55.29 | Hydroxide | abrotman: I admit I missed the beginning of the conversation. it's possible I"m missing some necessary context. |
| 02:55.34 | arghx | ,versions mingw32 |
| 02:55.35 | judd | Package: mingw32 on i386 -- lenny: 4.2.1.dfsg-1; sid: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; squeeze: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.2.1.dfsg-2 |
| 02:55.38 | kmonk | OldParr: just use the official installer to install debian then, unless you want to reinvent the wheel or use some third-party distro. probably better to keep it simple if you don't want to go all cybernetic with your installtion. |
| 02:55.47 | arghx | jingfeihu: any reason you can't use this mingw32 which is in repos? |
| 02:55.49 | dpcmain | arghx: The stable version packages so old, I want to use new software, such as gcc-4.6 for c++0x |
| 02:56.12 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: my network speed is fast, so I can use internet access |
| 02:56.15 | jordanm | dpcmain: why do you need a newer gcc? |
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| 02:56.30 | jingfeihu | arghx: actually I installed through apt-get install |
| 02:56.50 | arghx | jingfeihu: you ran "apt-get install mingw32"? |
| 02:57.01 | jingfeihu | arghx: yes. |
| 02:57.16 | jingfeihu | arghx: I've already installed mingw32 successfully. |
| 02:57.26 | dpcmain | jordanm: c++0x feture |
| 02:57.35 | jordanm | jingfeihu: that guide says that you need to manually add the architecture |
| 02:57.38 | Hydroxide | jordanm: dpcmain did just give a reasom - though only part of one. g++ versions back in 2004 had some support for c++0x - I know this because I used it |
| 02:57.51 | dpcmain | jordanm: some new software have new feture, such as gnome3 |
| 02:57.53 | Hydroxide | well, at least a TR1 thing |
| 02:58.02 | jingfeihu | jordanm: I just don't know how to add |
| 02:58.34 | jordanm | dpcmain: Hydroxide: oh, not being a c++ coder, I thought "c++0x" was a typo :\ |
| 02:58.47 | jingfeihu | jordanm: the line 144 of /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture is just where the error message printed. |
| 02:59.25 | arghx | jingfeihu: you edited /usr/share/dpkg/ostable ? |
| 02:59.29 | dpcmain | The debian stable version's software so old, but really very stable.... but I want new software and OS stable. |
| 02:59.48 | OldParr | kmonk: i will make my own live but CD with lenny , but i will make it without installer, and i will use the official installer for installation of the squeeze |
| 03:00.17 | jingfeihu | arghx: I 've already add the line: w32 mingw32msvc mingw32[^-]* |
| 03:00.25 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: there is always newer software compared to every release of every operating system. if you really need a stable, supported operating system that has g++ 4.6 right now, don't use debian. but, any operating system that reaches the level of stability that Debian reaches will not release any more frequently, so its stable version will often not include the newest features |
| 03:00.31 | kmonk | to instal squeeze i had to get my iso from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ because my internet connection depends on some proporitory firmware |
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| 03:01.13 | arghx | jingfeihu: it sounds like dpkg-architecture changed some way since 2009 when this howto was written :( |
| 03:01.16 | Hydroxide | kmonk: you can alternatively use the official ISO and have the firmware available on a USB stick or SD card during the installation. the install manual documents this, as does the CD download page |
| 03:01.18 | belak | I'm trying to setup a headless server... I think I have everything installed and working, however, I can only connect to it when I ssh to a computer not on the same switch then ssh in... any ideas on why this might be? |
| 03:01.50 | Hydroxide | kmonk: but, yes, the CD you reference includes the firmware |
| 03:02.02 | dpcmain | arghx: I give up. I'm going to download debian 6.03 iso |
| 03:02.24 | jingfeihu | arghx: so this howto is deprecated? |
| 03:02.28 | maher | belak: can you ping the machine? |
| 03:02.29 | kmonk | frankly i don't get the big problem, if i need something newer, chances are its in backports, then if it's really not, i'll just download the source or binary from the softwares site and go from there. |
| 03:02.31 | dpcmain | arghx: kde and gnome which version is better? |
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| 03:02.46 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: people disagree on that. it's personal preference |
| 03:02.49 | OldParr | kmonk: yes but i ust need mi live only to make backups |
| 03:03.01 | Hydroxide | I use kde, many people use gnome |
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| 03:03.04 | maher | dpcmain: you could run stable, with testing or unstable in a chroot (or virtual machine if you feel fancy) |
| 03:03.08 | Hydroxide | many others use things that aren't kde or gnome |
| 03:03.19 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: is gnome3 bug more than kde? |
| 03:03.19 | OldParr | kmonk: for installing i will use the official images |
| 03:03.42 | kmonk | Hydroxide: good point. ah well. |
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| 03:03.45 | arghx | dpcmain: gnome3 isn't in debian yet |
| 03:03.54 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: gnome3 isn't in stable, because it is really new. from what I hear it's not really rock-solid even from gnome.org yet |
| 03:03.59 | Hydroxide | arghx: it is, actually, but not stable |
| 03:04.06 | Hydroxide | currently in a mixture of unstable and experimental |
| 03:04.07 | dpcmain | arghx: wheezy has gnome3 |
| 03:04.10 | jingfeihu | arghx: is that enough to build win32 application having installed mingw32? |
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| 03:04.43 | arghx | jingfeihu: yes. but you might need lots of additional, crosscompiled libs |
| 03:05.06 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: wheezy doesn't have a complete working version of it. gnome3 is really new and no stable release of any distribution that came out more than several months ago has it. |
| 03:05.12 | jordanm | jingfeihu: looks like they have an IRC channel of oftc |
| 03:05.12 | belak | maher: no, I can't |
| 03:05.14 | arghx | mingw is the c compiler, the c runtime lib and a way to link to the windows runtime dlls |
| 03:05.38 | maher | belak: well - try and fix that first :) |
| 03:05.40 | belak | maher: the strange thing is that I can ssh into one of the 2 machines with no issues... |
| 03:05.45 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: fedora 16 release include gnome3.2. I want to try, but also can not install from usb |
| 03:05.50 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: GNOME 3.0 didn't come out until april 2011, and such a major overhaul typically needs several incremental releases to be well-integrated and stable and low-bug |
| 03:05.52 | belak | maher: I don't know where to start... |
| 03:06.21 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: kde4.6 is stable? |
| 03:06.27 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: right. I said "no stable release of any distribution that came out more than several months ago." fedora 16 just came out this month |
| 03:06.30 | jingfeihu | arghx: I guess some of these libs could be downloaded from somewhere, right? |
| 03:06.32 | OldParr | kmonk: live-magic is creating the live but ii want to add gparted to that image |
| 03:06.34 | maher | belak: what error do you get from ping? check the routing tables with route -n |
| 03:06.47 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: how to install fedora 16 from usb? |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | ask #fedora |
| 03:06.58 | jingfeihu | jordanm: you mean irc channel of mingw? Seems no one is active there |
| 03:07.05 | kmonk | belak: neither do i really, but at least you have a working unit to make any comparisons. check the /etc/hosts file? maybe it's a switch definition that seperates the two |
| 03:07.08 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: we only know about debian here. ask fedora how to install their distribution |
| 03:07.13 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: I have try unetbootin and fedora live creator, but failed. live creator can work on windows |
| 03:07.24 | OldParr | kmonk: i also want to add brasero or other cd burner |
| 03:07.24 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: :-) |
| 03:07.44 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: you're welcome to try that, but if you need help, please ask #fedora instead of us |
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| 03:07.51 | kmonk | OldParr: man live-helper. everything you need is there. |
| 03:07.58 | jordanm | jingfeihu: yeah |
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| 03:08.15 | kmonk | oh, it's called live-build now. :p |
| 03:08.39 | OldParr | kmonk: yes |
| 03:08.54 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: I use debian, fedora 16 may destroy my all windows & itself |
| 03:09.07 | OldParr | kmonk i am using the GUI |
| 03:09.07 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: f16 use new boot method |
| 03:09.17 | belak | maher: correction... I can ping it... |
| 03:09.37 | abrotman | dpcmain: are you going to install Debian or what? |
| 03:09.44 | maher | belak: try ssh -v and see what it says... |
| 03:10.15 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: I do prefer debian myself, but I do think fedora 16 is a bit less dangerous than you suggest :) anyway, you're welcome to install debian, but we don't currently have a gnome 3 that is stable and recommended for end users. wheezy will before it becomes stable, but it doesn't yet. |
| 03:10.34 | belak | stuck on debug1: Connecting to ip.goes.here [ip.goes.here] port 22. |
| 03:11.03 | maher | belak: is something blocking port 22 - is there some firewall installed somewhere? |
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| 03:11.19 | belak | Unless there's one on debian I didn't know about, no |
| 03:11.48 | Hydroxide | debian does not enable a firewall by default, no |
| 03:11.50 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: thanks very much |
| 03:12.07 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: you're welcome. good luck. |
| 03:12.21 | maher | belak: try nmap -A T4 ip and see if it thinks port 22 is open |
| 03:12.23 | belak | I don't think anythin is blocking port 22. I can ssh into other computers... and I can ssh from remote computers into this one... |
| 03:12.53 | maher | belak: -A -T4, or your favourite nmap options... |
| 03:13.25 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: can I do gnome develop on kde? |
| 03:13.41 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: I may need develop use gtk+ lib |
| 03:13.45 | belak | maher: nmap appears to think it's down... even though I can ping it just fine... |
| 03:14.12 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: sure. if you want to do gnome 3 development on Deian 6.0.3 you'll probably need to download stuff from gnome.org for development purposes. If you're using gtk+ 2 libraries, squeeze already has that. |
| 03:14.27 | maher | belak: something is blocking port 22 between you and the other machine - are any other ports blocked which should be open? |
| 03:14.34 | Hydroxide | dpcmain: you can also run gnome 2.x (I forget which version but it's relatively recent) on squeeze if you like |
| 03:14.41 | belak | maher: port 80... |
| 03:15.22 | maher | belak: traceroute / mtr will give you a list of machines on the way from yours to the other one - try and gues which one is blocking... |
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| 03:20.42 | belak | maher: not sure what to look for... the local computer that can't access it just gets a bunch of *s with traceroute |
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| 03:22.37 | maher | belak: what about the remote machine where ssh works? |
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| 03:33.52 | dpcmain | Hydroxide: Also, my video card is ATI 6750, How can I install the driver on debian is the best way? |
| 03:34.29 | somiaj | dpcmain: what version of debian are you using? |
| 03:35.05 | henchman24 | bleh ati |
| 03:35.10 | henchman24 | have fun with that |
| 03:35.50 | henchman24 | everytime i mess with ati cards my hairline recedes |
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| 03:37.07 | somiaj | the radeon free drivers are working great here, hdmi audio, and everything I need. Though a 6750 seems like a fairly new card and you may have to backport the current kernel to squeeze |
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| 03:37.50 | somiaj | well use the backports (fglrx-drivers are also in backports) |
| 03:38.04 | somiaj | which might also mean grabing the xorgserver from backports too |
| 03:38.14 | arghx | ,versions fglrx-drivers |
| 03:38.16 | judd | No package named 'fglrx-drivers' was found in i386. |
| 03:38.39 | arghx | somiaj: fglrx-driver is not in squeeze backports |
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| 03:38.56 | arghx | one can backport them oneself, but dpcmain wants to run wheezy anyways |
| 03:39.17 | somiaj | arghx: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/fglrx-driver |
| 03:39.25 | maher | so i have box which has just gone down and I get Input/output error for everything - what are the chances of me getting any useful info out of it - i still have an ssh shell running... |
| 03:39.43 | henchman24 | hm |
| 03:40.05 | somiaj | ,version fglrx-driver |
| 03:40.06 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-10-1 |
| 03:40.12 | henchman24 | memory/drive errors? |
| 03:40.25 | somiaj | hmms judd is outdated on that package, cause packages.debian.org says it exists |
| 03:40.40 | maher | henchman24: syslog shows ata errors - but i wouldn't mind extracting dmesg is there's some way of doing that |
| 03:40.43 | arghx | somiaj: judd doesn't know it and it knows all backports normally |
| 03:40.58 | henchman24 | ata sounds like drive pooping out |
| 03:41.18 | arghx | somiaj: only exists on amd64, judd uses i386 by default |
| 03:41.22 | somiaj | arghx: well I just linked you to packages.debian.org page that has it (including all the subpackages -- I saw it sitting there a few days ago looking something up) |
| 03:41.46 | somiaj | ahh didn't notice that, yea I just saw it there, :/ |
| 03:41.49 | henchman24 | maybe boot a livecd to play with the drive |
| 03:42.28 | maher | henchman24: one of the drives is dying but i'm not sure which one - its a headless arm box - I will just take it apart when i have physical access |
| 03:42.43 | arghx | maher: smartmon-tools |
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| 03:43.11 | henchman24 | solid state disks i take it |
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| 03:43.24 | maher | arghx: well - don't worry i just lost the connection |
| 03:43.34 | maher | henchman24: no - standard hard drives |
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| 03:50.02 | dpcmain | somiaj: I use debian 6.03 |
| 03:50.25 | dpcmain | somiaj: do as arghx say |
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| 03:51.31 | dpcmain | somiaj: hd 6750 |
| 03:52.04 | dpcmain | how to install AMD HD6750 video card driver |
| 03:52.10 | dpcmain | on debian 6.03 |
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| 04:01.56 | brainsoft | i had an old debian on a cd etch 4.0. i succesfully upgraded to lenny. to move to sid do I have to upgrade to squeeze and then to sid or can I change sources.list and upgrade directly to sid? |
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| 04:03.43 | dpcmain | how to install AMD HD6750 video card driver on debian 6.03 |
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| 04:06.37 | dpcmain | how to install AMD HD6750 video card driver on debian 6.03? |
| 04:06.43 | dpcmain | all body goto meal? |
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| 04:07.08 | dpcmain | I have complete eat meal :-） |
| 04:07.10 | MrFrood | !ati |
| 04:07.10 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:07.18 | dpcmain | ....... |
| 04:07.24 | dpcmain | MrFrood: AMD |
| 04:08.02 | arghx | dpcmain: hd6750 came out after 6.0.3 got frozen. so all the drivers available from it cannot fully use it |
| 04:08.13 | MrFrood | dpcmain: read as far as the 5th word above |
| 04:08.20 | arghx | you have two choices: either install xorg from backports. /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:08.52 | arghx | that would give you the open source radeon driver |
| 04:08.59 | dpcmain | arghx: ....... |
| 04:08.59 | arghx | dpcmain: are you running amd64 or i386? |
| 04:09.07 | dpcmain | arghx: amd64 |
| 04:09.45 | arghx | then you can get the fglrx-driver from backports too as judd has shown above |
| 04:09.51 | dpcmain | arghx: is there any best method to install amd hd 6750 driver |
| 04:10.01 | arghx | fglrx-drive is the proprietary ati driver btw |
| 04:10.11 | dpcmain | arghx: what's mean? |
| 04:10.25 | arghx | !fglrx |
| 04:10.26 | OldParr | . |
| 04:10.26 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:10.57 | arghx | dpcmain: read up on what backports are. /msg dpkg backports and http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 04:11.08 | arghx | dpcmain: what cpu do you have? |
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| 04:11.21 | dpcmain | arghx: xen e3 1230 |
| 04:11.26 | dpcmain | arghx: xeon |
| 04:12.08 | arghx | is that a sandy bridge xeon? |
| 04:12.13 | arghx | socket 1155? |
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| 04:12.58 | dpcmain | arghx: yes |
| 04:13.01 | dpcmain | arghx: no |
| 04:13.23 | dpcmain | arghx: socket is amd cpu. I'm intel 1155 |
| 04:13.43 | arghx | if it's a sandy bridge xeon it's a socket 1155 one. |
| 04:13.49 | arghx | intel cpus use sockets too... |
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| 04:14.01 | arghx | amd uses socket am3+, intel uses socket 1155 |
| 04:14.01 | dpcmain | arghx: .....oh |
| 04:14.15 | dpcmain | arghx: My cpu is xeon e3 1230 |
| 04:14.18 | bkd | why font rendering on debian desktop not too well, i mean not smooth likes on ubuntu or fedora ? |
| 04:14.25 | dpcmain | arghx: yes |
| 04:14.26 | arghx | since you run a sandy brige, you want to get a new kernel (2.6.39) from backports and a new xorg from backports too |
| 04:15.00 | dpcmain | arghx: how can i do |
| 04:15.01 | arghx | dpcmain: read the link above about backports and follow the instructions on the webpage |
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| 04:15.35 | dpcmain | arghx: whatis Backports mean |
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| 04:16.59 | arghx | dpcmain: please read the page I linked you |
| 04:17.28 | brianmwaters | oh my god |
| 04:17.30 | brianmwaters | is anyone here running wheezy and gnome, and just ran an update? |
| 04:18.46 | dpcmain | arghx: Can I download the driver from AMD website then install? |
| 04:19.02 | arghx | dpcmain: no |
| 04:19.11 | brianmwaters | it installed gnome shell. what surprised me is that *it also set it as the default.* and i can't figure out how to get metacity back |
| 04:19.12 | dpcmain | arghx: The method you link I have try before, but failed |
| 04:19.21 | arghx | dpcmain: well, you can. but it you won't get any support for that here. |
| 04:19.27 | dpcmain | arghx: that method made me boot failed |
| 04:19.40 | arghx | dpcmain: which method. I told you to get it from backports, cause otherwise your chip is not supported |
| 04:19.55 | arghx | brianmwaters: checked /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager ? |
| 04:20.03 | dpcmain | arghx: oh, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze is this? |
| 04:20.19 | arghx | dpcmain: no. I told you to get it from backports, not frm squeeze repos |
| 04:20.29 | arghx | dpcmain: but the basic steps are the same |
| 04:20.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | brianmwaters: isn't there a #debian-next on oftc? |
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| 04:20.51 | arghx | dpcmain: and I also told you to install a new kernel from backports |
| 04:21.19 | brianmwaters | arghx: i haven't really worked that hard on fixing it yet. it just pissed me off |
| 04:21.30 | brianmwaters | Kamping_Kaiser: it's invite only, for some reason |
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| 04:21.47 | brianmwaters | i guess that's what i get for running wheezy :) |
| 04:22.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | brianmwaters: might need to be registered? |
| 04:22.02 | bkd | can we increase font's smooth on debian desktop ? default install very lack of smooth |
| 04:22.44 | dpcmain | arghx: ? |
| 04:22.48 | brianmwaters | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe. i think that rather than try to figure out how to fix it, i might have to just accept the future. it's coming to -stable sometime anyway |
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| 04:23.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | brianmwaters: in 7 or 8 months ;) |
| 04:23.29 | brianmwaters | and by "accept the future" i mean ditch gnome |
| 04:23.29 | dpcmain | arghx: howto |
| 04:23.37 | brianmwaters | 7 months? really? cool |
| 04:23.50 | dpcmain | arghx: please give me the link agin |
| 04:23.50 | brianmwaters | any chance unity will get in there? |
| 04:23.54 | dpcmain | againe |
| 04:24.11 | dpcmain | again |
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| 04:25.23 | arghx | brianmwaters: did you try #debian-next on oftc or here on freenode? |
| 04:25.30 | arghx | dpcmain: backports.debian.org |
| 04:25.36 | arghx | ,versiony unity |
| 04:25.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell brianmwaters about unity |
| 04:25.42 | arghx | ,versions unity |
| 04:25.43 | judd | No package named 'unity' was found in i386. |
| 04:25.56 | brianmwaters | arghx: #debian-next is invite-only, and i don't know what oftc is. |
| 04:26.07 | zykotick9 | !tell dpcmain about bpo |
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| 04:26.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | brianmwaters: oftc is the irc network hosting irc.debian.org |
| 04:26.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | brianmwaters: and freeze should happen in ~ 7 months iirc |
| 04:26.57 | brianmwaters | Kamping_Kaiser: oh (about oftc) thanks |
| 04:27.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder where a 2m extension cable is when you need one -.- |
| 04:28.09 | arghx | brianmwaters: oftc is a different irc network. and debian-next doesn't exist on this irc network here. so you need to switch irc networks |
| 04:28.12 | arghx | !oftc |
| 04:28.13 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 04:30.45 | in2tactics | oftc is not as fun as freenode :) but i still sit in on both servers |
| 04:31.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | in2tactics: it are serious network, full of serious people :) |
| 04:31.27 | brianmwaters | what's ITP mean? |
| 04:31.32 | arghx | !itp |
| 04:31.32 | dpkg | Intent To Package (ITP) is a Debian <bug> filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package, to indicate someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid a duplication of work. |
| 04:31.44 | brianmwaters | oh ok |
| 04:31.51 | brianmwaters | wnpp means work in progress or something |
| 04:32.00 | arghx | brianmwaters: /msg dpkg wnpp and you will know |
| 04:32.38 | brianmwaters | hm, ok, well thanks |
| 04:32.40 | brianmwaters | night |
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| 04:47.53 | sohum | so if I just ugraded gnome, and it's crashing on login (no messages, just a crash), but "Gnome Fallback Session" works but doesn't have my configurations, which log should I look at to see what the problem is? |
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| 04:52.52 | arghx | sohum: ~/.xsession-error* |
| 04:53.20 | arghx | sohum: and maybe into your Xorg.0.log, could be you run now some parts of gnome3 but have no 3D rendering? |
| 04:53.47 | acu | it is unbelievable - I still do not know how to remove the keyring from GNOME in Debian Squeeze - I want to remote connect - and in the remote desktop the keyring popsup - if nobody is the other side I am locked - how can I get rid of that keyring ? |
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| 05:02.16 | karlpinc | acu: Remote connect using what? |
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| 05:06.30 | acu | Remina Desktop Client ----> Remote Desktop karlpinc |
| 05:07.50 | karlpinc | acu: So you're connecting to a gnome box? |
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| 05:09.23 | acu | karlpinc: yes Squeeze Debian GNOME to Squeeze Debian GNOME |
| 05:11.08 | karlpinc | acu: Most people use something like x11vnc. |
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| 05:11.58 | karlpinc | acu: That's on the remote box, and vncviewer on the local box. |
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| 05:12.50 | karlpinc | acu: Where does remina come from? |
| 05:13.18 | karlpinc | acu: Anyway, there's a way to remove a package by substiuting a virtual package. But I can recall and can't find the factoid. :-( |
| 05:14.32 | arghx | !equivs |
| 05:14.32 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 05:14.36 | acu | karlpinc: If you install Debian Squeeze - Both Remina and Remote Desktop are installed by default (if you choose desktop during installation) |
| 05:14.42 | karlpinc | arghx: Thanks. |
| 05:14.44 | sohum | arghx: apparently I'd lost my vesa and fbdev drivers during the upgrade somehow. cheers! |
| 05:14.50 | arghx | np |
| 05:15.14 | arghx | sohum: vesa is nothing to write home about. fbdev neither. you use kms anyways nromally. what videocard do you have? |
| 05:15.35 | karlpinc | acu: Humm. I can't find it with apt-file. |
| 05:16.20 | karlpinc | acu: Anyway, there you go. Look at the equivs factoid above. |
| 05:17.10 | karlpinc | acu: Or you could figure out why the keyring pops up. Have you looked at the bts for example? |
| 05:18.09 | Mad7Scientist | What does E: Release file expired, ignoriing mean |
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| 05:18.17 | karlpinc | acu: I wouldn't think it's supposed to do that, unless it is. That might be the whole point, to require local authorization. In which case there may be a way to turn it off. |
| 05:18.42 | somiaj | Mad7Scientist: what is giving you that error? |
| 05:18.47 | karlpinc | Mad7Scientist: Have you done an "aptitude update" recently? |
| 05:18.54 | Mad7Scientist | pressing u in aptitude |
| 05:19.32 | Mad7Scientist | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 60d 8h 57min 4s) |
| 05:20.33 | somiaj | Mad7Scientist: I'd use a different mirror. kernel.org went down a few months ago, maybe the mirrors haven't been updated. |
| 05:20.49 | Mad7Scientist | thanks what's the file where I change it? |
| 05:21.06 | somiaj | Mad7Scientist: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:22.04 | Mad7Scientist | do you happen to know what I can change mirrors, kernel.org to? |
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| 05:22.25 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 05:23.05 | sohum | arghx: an intel integrated. I'll tackle that once I tackle unity ... |
| 05:23.08 | somiaj | default is ftp.<country code>.debian.org for most people. |
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| 05:31.38 | mosno | sohum, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toAEQTsidvg |
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| 06:27.40 | nsadmin | jargon-, what exactly is "client"? what is special and/or identifyable about one particular client? |
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| 06:34.45 | popkill | mah454: could look at the following file /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf .. |
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| 06:56.56 | FeAr^Of^The^Dark | ..::®Hello!!!®::.. |
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| 06:57.04 | FeAr^Of^The^Dark | ..::®Quien sabe español?®::.. |
| 06:57.24 | karlpinc | dpkg: es-social FeAr^Of^The^Dark |
| 06:57.25 | dpkg | FeAr^Of^The^Dark: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 06:57.59 | FeAr^Of^The^Dark | ..::®gracias®::.. |
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| 07:02.01 | billdollar | apt-get update isn't working for me from root and I need help on a chrooted install on an arm android device |
| 07:02.20 | billdollar | would anyone be so kind? |
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| 07:03.24 | karlpinc | billdollar: What's the error? |
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| 07:04.24 | billdollar | karlpinc: 'E: some index files failed to download' |
| 07:04.51 | karlpinc | billdollar: You might try another mirror. |
| 07:05.14 | billdollar | karlpinc: Fairly noob here, how would I do that? |
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| 07:05.48 | karlpinc | !tell billdollar about sources.list |
| 07:05.56 | karlpinc | msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:06.17 | karlpinc | !tell billdollar about mirrors |
| 07:06.33 | billdollar | karlpinc: sry, thank you |
| 07:06.46 | karlpinc | billdollar: No need to be sorry. We're here to help. |
| 07:06.55 | billdollar | karlpinc: how do I open sources.list from terminal? |
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| 07:07.59 | karlpinc | billdollar: You use an editor. If you don't have any experience you use nano, and read the bottom of the screen for instruction. |
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| 07:09.12 | karlpinc | billdollar: If you're serious you use either vi or emacs as an editor. (I personally prefer emacs.) On a device with limited resources you use something compatible that's smaller. For emacs that'd be zile or mg. I don't know about vi. |
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| 07:09.41 | billdollar | karlpinc: thank you |
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| 07:10.59 | karlpinc | billdollar: Take a few minutes and learn to use either vi or emacs. (Although I think vi is a whole lot harder to get started with. The only thing you need to know to use emacs is to remember that holding down ctrl while pressing 'x', then holding down ctrl while pressing 'c' exits. Everything else is gravy.) |
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| 07:11.01 | nsadmin | you might want to start with either ae or nano, both of these text editors are very basic, to-the-point, not too many features and easy to figure out |
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| 07:11.29 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Yeah. I told him nano because I think it's there by default. |
| 07:11.59 | nsadmin | yeah, ae is old, but it was easy... haven't seen it in a long time |
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| 07:12.25 | nsadmin | nano is easy too |
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| 07:13.25 | billdollar | karlpinc: would I use cmd 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:13.38 | karlpinc | I think you are expected to know that ^ is shorthand for 'hold down the ctrl key', but I'm not sure because I can't recall a time when I didn't know that. |
| 07:13.46 | karlpinc | billdollar: Sounds right. |
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| 07:14.05 | billdollar | karlpinc: hahaha, I knew that about the ctrl part. |
| 07:14.14 | nsadmin | that will work if you do it as root |
| 07:14.32 | karlpinc | billdollar: You can probably just type nano and open the file from within the app. Whatever floats your boat. |
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| 07:17.40 | billdollar | karlpinc: I'm running a chrooted system, when I nan into /etc/apt/sources.list there is only an empty file as if it is new. |
| 07:17.58 | billdollar | karlpinc: nan=nano |
| 07:19.10 | karlpinc | billdollar: That's a bit odd, but I've not installed on a chroot. Does "ls -lh /etc/apt" tell you the file is 0 bytes? |
| 07:19.23 | karlpinc | billdollar: (I'm wondering if you typed the wrong filename or something.) |
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| 07:20.38 | billdollar | karlpinc: definately possible...downloading a new keyboard so I can input cctrl into android terminal |
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| 07:25.07 | billdollar | karlpinc: the return of ls -lh /etc/apt was No such file or directory |
| 07:25.27 | billdollar | maybe I need to exit out of root system |
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| 07:26.39 | billdollar | karlpinc: currently I am root@debdroid:/# |
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| 07:28.02 | billdollar | karlpinc: my hotdog fingers are getting in the way |
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| 07:29.44 | qubits | The reason I couldn't boot was due to the 40 pin IDE cable I was using. |
| 07:29.47 | nasso | im looking for a way to log all incoming/outgoing tcp connection and udp destinations (if possible) |
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| 07:30.21 | nasso | does anyone have any suggestions of a tool i should start looking at? |
| 07:30.29 | nasso | (its for a debian 6 machine) |
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| 07:31.49 | karlpinc | nasso: iptables will log, you could use it directly or with ferm as a front-end. Or something like pmacct. See the debtags package for good ways to search. |
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| 07:34.37 | nasso | karlpinc: thanks! ill start my look there! |
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| 07:35.23 | dansan | Hello guys |
| 07:35.28 | dansan | how "unstable" is sid? |
| 07:36.00 | dansan | meaning, how often can I expect to run into broken packages? |
| 07:36.56 | dansan | Further, if I pick my nose on a Sunday, should I wipe my finger on my pants on Monday or just get a napkin? |
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| 07:42.53 | boudiccas | dansan; very, quite often, you fool! |
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| 07:43.12 | dansan | boudiccas: lol! |
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| 07:43.23 | dansan | boudiccas: been running gentoo unstable for years. |
| 07:43.27 | boudiccas | dansan; thats why sid is aka as testing |
| 07:43.36 | dansan | boudiccas: I'm no "fool". "Massochist?" maybe |
| 07:44.19 | dansan | boudiccas: are you the channel troll? |
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| 07:45.13 | ompaul | dansan: I'd suggest everything you have said so far means that you held a mirror up and said the wrong name you meant your own in that last line |
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| 07:46.20 | dansan | ompaul: lol! I came here for a fucking opinion, not to be called names |
| 07:46.34 | ompaul | !ops dansan give us reason to compare him with a sub bridge dweller |
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| 07:46.49 | dansan | lol! |
| 07:47.12 | dansan | mommie!! He hurt my feelings! |
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| 07:47.28 | dansan | Seriously man, I thought this channel was for technical info, not name calling wars |
| 07:47.41 | dansan | Also, is there no livecd for testing or experimental? |
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| 07:47.52 | ompaul | thanks |
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| 07:54.49 | dansan | So once again, is there no live cd for experimental or testing then? |
| 07:55.26 | dansan | And are the only other alternatives to 1.) download all of the CDs/DVDs or 2.) install the stable livecd and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 07:56.34 | mentor | boudiccas: That's not an appropriate way to respond to people even if they were trolling. Please don't in future. |
| 07:56.44 | dansan | ty |
| 07:58.44 | mentor | I could see that tracking testing with a live CD might be a task that noone wanted |
| 07:58.57 | dansan | ahh, found the netinst version |
| 07:59.01 | mentor | However, I don't know |
| 07:59.04 | dansan | hehe |
| 07:59.12 | dansan | good point |
| 07:59.12 | mentor | There should be… yes… testing installers |
| 07:59.16 | mentor | however |
| 07:59.19 | mentor | They don't change as much |
| 07:59.19 | dansan | oooh |
| 07:59.29 | dansan | ok, will look for that |
| 07:59.38 | mentor | Sorry, I'm using the return key as punctuation |
| 08:00.15 | dansan | lol! I hate that |
| 08:00.31 | mentor | It's not a good habit in a high traffic channel |
| 08:01.13 | dansan | Well, my main machine (this one) is Gentoo, but my fiancee uses my laptop a lot, so I don't want to subject her to such harsh treatment (i.e., Gentoo) |
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| 08:02.36 | dansan | oh, if I'm using the livecd, I can do a testing install by just changing the sources.list and running an apt-get update from there (hopefully) |
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| 08:12.16 | am_r | hello. how do you list all packages that were installed manually and also which are not dependency of any other packages? |
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| 08:20.50 | grenoal | is 3.0.0-686-pae a 32- or 64-bit kernel? |
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| 08:22.00 | xteensx | http://xteensx.info/ http://xteensx.info/ http://xteensx.info/ FREE PORN |
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| 08:24.38 | grenoal | wtf, where is the mod? |
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| 08:28.22 | dansan | !ops here's a real reason to ban someone: xteensx |
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| 08:29.23 | dansan | m_r: the only way I know is to go into synaptic, select "view by status" (I believe) and then select "manually installed" |
| 08:29.27 | peterS | given xteensx is now disconnected, not just parted from the channel, it's not _too_ likely to reappear here with the same IP and nick |
| 08:29.55 | peterS | i.e., I'm guessing it's enough of a drive-by that it isn't worth a ban |
| 08:30.04 | dansan | grenoal: that would be a 32-bit kernel, and without SSE & such (686 didn't have that) |
| 08:30.09 | dansan | okies |
| 08:30.28 | mentor | mmm |
| 08:30.38 | mentor | Some of SSE was what was in the PPro |
| 08:30.47 | dansan | yeah, I was just thinking about that..... |
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| 08:30.50 | dansan | so take that part back |
| 08:30.52 | mentor | MMX and SSE1 |
| 08:31.00 | mentor | However, the kernel doesn't do floating point |
| 08:31.07 | mentor | So, it's a bit irrelevant |
| 08:31.13 | dansan | yeah, but the raid drivers will use SSE2 if it's there |
| 08:31.19 | dansan | for the xro |
| 08:31.22 | dansan | *xor |
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| 08:31.50 | grenoal | dansan: 3.0.0 hangs the system during boot-up. is there a bug report for it? |
| 08:31.52 | mentor | Well, it's more about various other architecture changes |
| 08:32.05 | mentor | Things like HLT instructions and and so on |
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| 08:32.41 | peterS | grenoal: and there are other kernels that do not hang? it'd be helpful to know exactly which kernel image hangs and which does not, to get an idea what the differences might be |
| 08:32.59 | dansan | ahh, sounds like you may know your architecture better than I. I gave up on assembly when gcc consitiently outdid me |
| 08:33.10 | dansan | err, and spell check too :) |
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| 08:33.45 | dansan | grenoal: also, at what point does it hang? immediately after the bootloader? |
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| 08:33.54 | peterS | grenoal: anyway, if you try to boot a 64-bit kernel on 32-bit hardware, it won't hang, it will fail the boot nice and early and will tell you why |
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| 08:34.10 | peterS | (I believe that's correct anyway, it's been awhile since I ran into this) |
| 08:34.23 | dansan | peterS: yeah, it does |
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| 08:35.23 | dansan | grenoal: also, I'm a debian newbie |
| 08:35.41 | boudiccas | and a gentoo user |
| 08:35.46 | dansan | lol! |
| 08:35.51 | dansan | yea, it's true |
| 08:36.09 | grenoal | peterS: my is a 32-bit proc. so should be no problem with 3.0.0. it hangs various stages at different time. one more regular one is at the login screen. no response from keybord or mours. |
| 08:36.24 | bullgard4 | What is the successor of the obsolete documentation http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ ? |
| 08:36.25 | gynter | Hello, I have a LVM partition /dev/storage/windows-disk, fdisk shows that there are 2 partitions on that LVM partition: /dev/storage/windows-disk1 and /dev/storage/windows-disk2 (both NTFS), is it possible to mount /dev/storage/windows-disk2 to my host system? |
| 08:36.28 | peterS | grenoal: odd. but you can successfully boot other kernels? which ones? |
| 08:36.38 | grenoal | 2.6.38 |
| 08:36.58 | peterS | grenoal: _specifically_ which one? is it also a -686-pae kernel? |
| 08:37.05 | dansan | grenoal: no other artifacts huh? |
| 08:37.17 | grenoal | 2.6.38 is not pae. |
| 08:37.26 | grenoal | 2.6.38-686 |
| 08:38.06 | peterS | makes me wonder if your CPU perhaps does not have PAE support, then. can you run 'grep ^flags /proc/cpuinfo' and report the CPU flags? or specifically, whether the word 'pae' is in there? |
| 08:38.35 | peterS | PAE has been around for a long time, but there _are_ 686-class CPUs that didn't have it |
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| 08:40.11 | grenoal | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pebs bts cid xtpr |
| 08:40.21 | grenoal | pae is there. |
| 08:40.24 | peterS | ok so you do have PAE, yeah |
| 08:40.38 | peterS | and hyperthreading ('ht'), yay |
| 08:41.14 | grenoal | its a 2.6 Ghz Pentium. |
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| 08:42.20 | peterS | grenoal: next troubleshooting step: if you install 'linux-image-3.0.0-1-486', does _that_ boot? |
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| 08:43.20 | grenoal | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 08:43.21 | grenoal | cpu family : 15 |
| 08:43.23 | grenoal | model : 2 |
| 08:43.25 | grenoal | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz |
| 08:43.35 | peterS | please don't paste that much at once |
| 08:43.55 | peterS | 1 to 2 lines is ok to paste, anything more, please either summarize on irc, or use a paste site |
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| 08:44.29 | grenoal | for yr last question, i would have to install and reboot. thks for yr help. will work on it and come back again. |
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| 08:55.31 | dpcmain | hello all |
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| 08:56.12 | dpcmain | when I apt-get dist-upgrade, after downloading complete, "无法立即对 libgstreamer0.10-0 进行配置。请查看 man 5 apt.conf 中的 APT::Immediate-Configure" |
| 08:56.22 | dpcmain | how to do? |
| 08:56.38 | nsadmin | dunno what some of that means |
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| 08:57.02 | nsadmin | rerun the same command, put LANG=C before |
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| 08:58.17 | dpcmain | to english may be "can not immediate configure libgstreamer0.10-0, please see man 5 apt.conf APT::Immediate-Configure" |
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| 08:58.35 | nsadmin | rerun the same command, put LANG=C before |
| 08:58.44 | nsadmin | I want -its- response |
| 08:58.50 | jelly-home | LC_ALL=C would be a better option |
| 08:59.03 | nsadmin | what's LC_ALL? |
| 08:59.15 | jelly-home | an override |
| 08:59.37 | jelly-home | instead of LANG's being merely a default |
| 08:59.39 | themill | try removing libgstreamer0.10-0 with dpkg (force-depends if necessary) and then let apt have another go |
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| 09:02.00 | dpcmain | how to LC_ALL back to my old LC_ALL? |
| 09:02.32 | dpcmain | When I "export LC_ALL=C" a lot of packages need to be redownload.... |
| 09:02.41 | nsadmin | I didn't say export |
| 09:03.02 | nsadmin | I said put that first |
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| 09:03.19 | nsadmin | meaning something like, LANG=C aptitude ... |
| 09:03.46 | nsadmin | (note jelly's suggestion too, LC_ALL=C aptitude ...) |
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| 09:04.16 | dpcmain | LC_ALL=C E: 无法立即对 libgstreamer0.10-0 进行配置。请查看 man 5 apt.conf 中的 APT::Immediate-Configure (2) |
| 09:04.21 | dpcmain | is this? |
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| 09:05.03 | nsadmin | what command (exactly) did you run? do you know what "before" means? |
| 09:05.53 | jelly-home | dpcmain: your apt-get command. Run it like "LC_ALL=C apt-get ...", pastebin the output. |
| 09:06.06 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 09:06.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 09:06.28 | jelly-home | paste the _whole_ output, not just the error |
| 09:06.28 | nsadmin | !nopaste |
| 09:06.28 | dpcmain | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 09:06.29 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 09:06.39 | dpcmain | jetscreamer: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 09:06.57 | jelly-home | dpcmain: have you removed that package using dpkg? |
| 09:07.07 | dpcmain | jetscreamer: no |
| 09:07.26 | jelly-home | dpcmain: LC_ALL dpkg -P libgstreamer0.10-0 |
| 09:07.27 | dpcmain | jetscreamer: System was install 2 hours ago, I have do nothing. |
| 09:07.35 | nsadmin | dpcmain, there ya go... so you see, you can set variables on the command line |
| 09:07.44 | mosno | howcome i don't see the 7.0 backport here? http://snapshot.debian.org/package/iceweasel/ |
| 09:07.50 | jelly-home | and poop jetscreamer will not be amused with all the highlighting |
| 09:07.52 | jelly-home | poor* |
| 09:08.16 | dpcmain | jelly-home: after install debian 6.03, then I use testing source, then do "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 09:08.41 | nsadmin | so you wanted to upgrade to testing? |
| 09:08.47 | dpcmain | jelly-home: after apt-get downloading completed, it return me this message |
| 09:09.04 | dpcmain | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:09.51 | dpcmain | what show I do next? |
| 09:09.57 | nsadmin | you would probably need to upgrade the kernel, dpkg, apt and aptitude |
| 09:10.00 | dpcmain | should |
| 09:10.00 | nsadmin | then reboot |
| 09:10.25 | dpcmain | nsadmin: yes, how to do next? |
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| 09:10.45 | jelly-home | dpcmain: do "LC_ALL dpkg -P libgstreamer0.10-0", if that succeeds, try "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" and "LC_ALL=C apt-get dist-upgrade" again |
| 09:11.00 | jelly-home | oops |
| 09:11.05 | jelly-home | dpcmain: do "LC_ALL=C dpkg -P libgstreamer0.10-0", if that succeeds, try "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" and "LC_ALL=C apt-get dist-upgrade" again |
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| 09:12.01 | dpcmain | jelly-home: return this message |
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| 09:12.10 | dpcmain | jelly-home: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libgstreamer0.10-0: libgnome-media0 depends on libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.23). gstreamer0.10-tools depends on libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.30). gstreamer0.10-alsa depends on libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.30). libtelepathy-farsight0 depends on libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.15). gstreamer0.10-x depends on libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.30). gstreamer0.10-plugins-good depends on l |
| 09:12.29 | dpcmain | jelly-home: dpkg: error processing libgstreamer0.10-0 (--purge): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: libgstreamer0.10-0 |
| 09:12.30 | nsadmin | do you use gstreamer? |
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| 09:12.43 | boudiccas | dpcmain; you dont learn do you.? please use a pastebin! |
| 09:12.54 | jelly-home | dpcmain: then force it, the themill suggested above. "LC_ALL=C dpkg -P --force-depends libgstreamer0.10-0" |
| 09:13.03 | dpcmain | nsadmin: I don't know. after install debian 6.03 then I do this command |
| 09:13.04 | nsadmin | it is one line apiece, so the paste is legit |
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| 09:13.48 | nsadmin | maybe you're using something that uses it |
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| 09:14.29 | dpcmain | jelly-home: after this command return : |
| 09:14.34 | dpcmain | jelly-home: (Reading database ... 118428 files and directories currently installed.) Removing libgstreamer0.10-0 ... Purging configuration files for libgstreamer0.10-0 ... |
| 09:14.42 | mentor | boudiccas: There are constructive ways to deal with things, amongst which none of your responses I have seen feature. You will be quieted if your behaviour doesn't improve. |
| 09:15.02 | dpcmain | nsadmin: I don't know, I only want to update to testing after install 6.03 |
| 09:15.12 | mentor | boudiccas: Please acknowledge that you understand |
| 09:15.25 | jelly-home | dpcmain: right, that worked, now continue with "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" and "LC_ALL=C apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 09:15.47 | jelly-home | dpcmain: use a pastebin site like http://paste.debian.net/ to show us the outputs. |
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| 09:16.44 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ok :-） |
| 09:18.46 | dpcmain | jelly-home: I have past, can you see output? |
| 09:19.00 | jelly-home | dpcmain: paste the URL in here, please |
| 09:19.22 | dpcmain | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/144080 |
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| 09:19.46 | dpcmain | jelly-home: I run this "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" |
| 09:19.56 | jelly-home | hm, same thing even though the package's purged |
| 09:20.16 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ?? |
| 09:20.24 | dpcmain | jelly-home: how can i do? |
| 09:20.35 | jelly-home | dpcmain: it's the same error. I'm just commenting. |
| 09:21.16 | dpcmain | jelly-home: yes, but how can i update to testing? |
| 09:21.22 | mentor | sighs |
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| 09:21.28 | jelly-home | dpcmain: I'm thinking. |
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| 09:21.53 | dpcmain | jelly-home: :-) |
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| 09:22.53 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ... |
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| 09:23.36 | jelly-home | dpcmain: well, I guess you could try aptitude instead of apt-get. "LC_ALL=C aptitude -f install" |
| 09:23.57 | jelly-home | just wildly guessing, I'm not sure if that's going to change a thing |
| 09:24.01 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ... let me try |
| 09:25.35 | dpcmain | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/144082 |
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| 09:25.58 | dpcmain | jelly-home: result past. enter yes or no? |
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| 09:28.52 | jelly-home | dpcmain: type in "r 3 12", press enter, see what the next solution looks like. |
| 09:29.18 | jelly-home | sorry, "r 5 12" but the former won't ruin things either |
| 09:29.22 | dpcmain | r 3 12 |
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| 09:29.41 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ? |
| 09:29.53 | dpcmain | r 5 12 |
| 09:29.57 | jelly-home | dpcmain: yes. |
| 09:29.59 | gernot | Morning. I ran into an error trying to update iceweasel 7 to 8 from squeeze-backports: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ca314d80/ . Is there something I can do about it? |
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| 09:30.30 | ansgar | gernot: 10:21 < BTS> Closed #648143 in xulrunner-8.0 by Mike Hommey (glandium) «Missing shebang in preinst». |
| 09:30.31 | jelly-home | dpcmain: instead of y or n or q, type in r 5 12 |
| 09:30.33 | dpcmain | jelly-home: enter where? my terminal? |
| 09:30.41 | jelly-home | dpcmain: on that aptitude prompt |
| 09:30.52 | jelly-home | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] r 5 12 |
| 09:31.58 | jelly-home | dpcmain: this tells aptitude to REJECT parts 5 and 12 of the solution, Remove the following packages: 5) gdm3 12) gnome |
| 09:32.03 | dpcmain | jelly-home: nothing |
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| 09:32.27 | gernot | ansgar, thank you. |
| 09:32.29 | jelly-home | dpcmain: look carefully. There should now be a R next to those two lines,, is that correct? |
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| 09:33.04 | jelly-home | dpcmain: now tell aptitude to try harder: Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n |
| 09:33.21 | dpcmain | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/144087 |
| 09:33.41 | dpcmain | jelly-home: after r 5 12, past result |
| 09:33.52 | dpcmain | jelly-home: yes, how 'N' |
| 09:34.02 | jelly-home | dpcmain: notice the subtle difference on lines 10 and 17. |
| 09:34.04 | dpcmain | jelly-home: 'R' |
| 09:34.44 | jelly-home | now tell it "n", and aptitude will try to find a solution that keeps "gnome" and "gdm3" installed |
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| 09:37.10 | dpcmain | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/144089 |
| 09:37.32 | dpcmain | jelly-home: result |
| 09:37.56 | dpcmain | jelly-home: can I install testing iso from usb? |
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| 09:38.14 | dpcmain | jelly-home: is that less problem? |
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| 09:39.45 | dpcmain | jelly-home: . |
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| 09:41.20 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ? |
| 09:41.27 | dpcmain | jelly-home: hi |
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| 09:41.50 | jelly-home | dpcmain: sorry, I'll be away for a while, see you in an hour or so. |
| 09:42.34 | jelly-home | dpcmain: that aptitude probably won't finish. I suggest you break it with ctrl-c, start it again and this time accept (y) the first solution. |
| 09:42.41 | dpcmain | jelly-home: what is wrong? |
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| 09:43.12 | dpcmain | jelly-home: ho |
| 09:43.18 | dpcmain | jelly-home: no |
| 09:43.39 | jelly-home | dpcmain: then after it installs stuff, you can manually install back "gnome" and "gdm3". |
| 09:43.51 | dpcmain | jelly-home: can I use testing netinst.iso install from usb |
| 09:43.53 | jelly-home | with a different aptitude install gdm3 command |
| 09:44.11 | jelly-home | someone else will have to answer that |
| 09:44.31 | dpcmain | jelly-home: I want to install a *clean* debian testing version system |
| 09:45.48 | dpcmain | jelly-home: hi, are you online? |
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| 09:47.47 | dpcmain | oh |
| 09:47.48 | dpcmain | god |
| 09:47.50 | dpcmain | help me |
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| 09:48.24 | gynter | Hello, I have a LVM partition /dev/storage/windows-disk, fdisk shows that there are 2 partitions on that LVM partition: /dev/storage/windows-disk1 and /dev/storage/windows-disk2 (both NTFS), is it possible to mount /dev/storage/windows-disk2 to my host system? Is it possible to make udev to see those partitions somehow? |
| 09:49.48 | dpcmain | how to use netinst.iso with usb? |
| 09:50.10 | dpcmain | anybody know? I want to use usb to install |
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| 09:50.18 | nkuttler | !tell dpcmain about ig |
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| 09:51.16 | dpcmain | nkuttler: ? I cannot find information |
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| 09:52.55 | gynter | dpcmain: kidding right? google is full of that |
| 09:53.12 | dpcmain | nkuttler: I have see |
| 09:53.41 | nkuttler | reading > seeing |
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| 10:01.28 | jelly | dpcmain: probably the easiest way to get testing is to first install stable but ONLY base system, then upgrade to testing and install the rest. |
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| 10:02.20 | dpcmain | how to install from netinst.iso |
| 10:02.29 | dpcmain | install netinst.iso from usb |
| 10:02.48 | Hounddog | good morning... i am running debian squeeze and running iceweasel per backdoor... now i updated this morning and it went for iceweasel 8.0 and have broken packages... /var/cache/apt/archives/xulrunner-8.0_8.0-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb |
| 10:02.48 | Hounddog | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 10:03.02 | Hounddog | am checking on google but am clueless at the moment... |
| 10:03.39 | Hounddog | should propably also upgrade to testing.... |
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| 10:11.12 | xok | I've got problem with FN key in my thinkpad edge... |
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| 10:11.29 | xok | can anyone help me get it back to working state?... |
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| 10:11.41 | xok | it somehow stopped working have no idea why.. |
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| 10:16.10 | Hounddog | grmbl... now i cannot remove or add packages |
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| 10:17.53 | Hounddog | http://pastie.org/2835507 i am in a loop now... it wants to install dependency which is broken and want tos me to resolve dependency which is also broken... |
| 10:18.08 | Hounddog | -tos |
| 10:18.38 | threadlock | how do i see from what release packages are installed on a system? |
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| 10:19.14 | threadlock | i suspect some lenny packages are left after system upgrade |
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| 10:19.24 | Hounddog | ahh am out of it |
| 10:20.50 | Hounddog | just that i cannot install xulrunner 8.0 ... |
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| 10:21.38 | eigar | New Debian install. Now, is there any advantages with Iceweasel over Firefox? |
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| 10:21.51 | Gerben | eigar, just the name |
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| 10:23.31 | eigar | ok. Thanks. I removed gnash, as it lead to crash after only 2 hrs uptime. Any other packages I should look into? (usual suspects / often cause problems) |
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| 10:24.56 | liran | Hi, I'm looking for a tool that does IOPS benchmark for HDD"s, something really informative |
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| 10:26.35 | Hounddog | yeah... currently there is no difference between firefox or iceweasel... at least for me as both don't work... |
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| 10:26.46 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Are there any squeeze netinstall images with a bpo kernel. |
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| 10:28.22 | eigar | Hounddog: iceweasel works fine here. Only problem I had was with gnash, which I removed. |
| 10:28.52 | Hounddog | eigar... i was using it through backdoor and it upcrashed it this morning... |
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| 10:29.21 | Hounddog | cause i did not want to work on ff 3.5... now i have 8.0 non working grmbl... |
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| 10:30.29 | eigar | to bad. I always install Opera as well. For "secure" browsing. |
| 10:30.44 | Hounddog | just installed chromium without probs |
| 10:31.32 | claudep | anyone for a workaround for bug #645713 (squeeze -> testing, libgstreamer0.10-0 error) ? |
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| 10:36.53 | themill | claudep: try removing libgstreamer0.10-0 with dpkg (force-depends if necessary) and then let apt have another go |
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| 10:37.34 | tapout | I'm now using unix sockets for nginx+php-fpm... do unix sockets have the same limits as tcp/ip sockets? like, timeouts/limits.. |
| 10:37.42 | tapout | I'm trying to see if there are any issues that will pop up |
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| 10:38.41 | Hounddog | now my admin came did the same as me and is working hum |
| 10:38.47 | Hounddog | anyhow... i'm confused |
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| 10:41.47 | jelly | themill: funny, that dpcmain user from two hours back apparently got the apt message even after purging the package |
| 10:42.04 | eigar | When I installed Deabian I only chose "Desktop", when I run tasksel --list-tasks it show "i" for "print-server", "mail-server" and "laptop" as well. How come? |
| 10:42.05 | jelly | themill: switching to aptitude worked |
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| 10:42.50 | themill | jelly: oh. How weird. |
| 10:43.09 | lzskiss | yo |
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| 10:47.36 | tamiya | hello |
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| 10:48.13 | tamiya | can someone help me with this POS linux box that says "No directory /home/<user>" when I log on |
| 10:48.38 | tamiya | I can 'cd /home/<user>' and write/del files in my home directory just fine |
| 10:48.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | suspects tamiya hasn't read about smart questions |
| 10:49.02 | tamiya | thats great |
| 10:49.26 | acemi | check "grep username /etc/passwd" to see the user's home dir |
| 10:49.34 | tamiya | alrady done that |
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| 10:50.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | is it on its own partition? check its mounted correctly |
| 10:50.02 | tamiya | echo $HOME is ok too |
| 10:50.05 | tamiya | yes |
| 10:50.24 | tamiya | i can read/write/del my files, but the stupid Linus OS wont log on properly |
| 10:50.46 | tamiya | fucking brand new system and it behaves like that, great first experience with linux :( |
| 10:50.49 | themill | tamiya: how are you reading and writing files when you can't log in? |
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| 10:51.01 | tamiya | i *CAN* log on |
| 10:51.17 | tamiya | it logs on with "logging in with home = /" |
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| 10:52.21 | ksk | i dont really get you |
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| 10:52.42 | acemi | does "cd $HOME" work |
| 10:52.44 | tamiya | yet if I "cd ~" it goes to my home dir correctly |
| 10:53.00 | tamiya | yes |
| 10:53.07 | jelly | tamiya: which debian release are you using? |
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| 10:53.15 | jelly | !version |
| 10:53.16 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 10:53.27 | themill | tamiya: is your home directory on some removable media or NFS or encrypted or something more complicated like that? |
| 10:53.36 | tamiya | no |
| 10:53.56 | petemc | how did you create the user? |
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| 10:54.16 | tamiya | useradd -u 12345 username |
| 10:54.43 | petemc | you're better off using adduser, avoud problems such as this |
| 10:55.01 | themill | that doesn't sound like the sort of thing that a person on their "first experience with linux" does... |
| 10:55.30 | petemc | its also not the fault of "stupid Linus OS" |
| 10:55.45 | tamiya | yes it is, it should have worked out of the box |
| 10:56.00 | petemc | it does, the problem is you dont know what you're doing |
| 10:56.09 | tamiya | thats great, u dont know either |
| 10:56.11 | themill | tamiya: the installer created a user for you at install time. Can that user log in fine? |
| 10:56.14 | tamiya | otherwise u would have fixed it |
| 10:56.27 | themill | dpkg: tell tamiya about u |
| 10:56.46 | tamiya | only root can log in fine |
| 10:56.53 | tamiya | since root's home dir is / |
| 10:57.00 | themill | no it isn't |
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| 10:57.11 | petemc | man useradd, or, again, use adduser |
| 10:57.19 | tamiya | no |
| 10:57.32 | tamiya | i want the existing problem fixed, not have to recreate the user |
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| 10:58.02 | themill | tamiya: so what exactly happens when you try to login as the user created by the installer? Please pastebin the output along with the output of "id" |
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| 10:58.41 | jelly | output of "getent passwd username" would also be nice |
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| 11:00.34 | tamiya | i'm not pasting my /etc/passwd file |
| 11:00.48 | tamiya | its a fucking simple setup for god sake |
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| 11:00.58 | petemc | something is simple, thats for sure |
| 11:01.07 | themill | either provide us with information or don't. You're the one who wants help/ |
| 11:01.08 | tamiya | ok smart mouth |
| 11:01.42 | tamiya | user:x:12345:6789:name:/home/user:/bin/bash |
| 11:01.46 | tamiya | jesus |
| 11:01.55 | tamiya | have u seen that one?!?!?! |
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| 11:02.39 | themill | tamiya: that's not the user that was created by the installer. |
| 11:02.58 | tamiya | who cares |
| 11:03.08 | tamiya | its the problematic user thats all that matters |
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| 11:03.45 | themill | ESP over TCP/IP is difficult. Debugging output is useful. Have fun on your own. |
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| 11:04.16 | tamiya | copy and paste this chat session and remind yourself why linux on the desktop hasnt taken off |
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| 11:04.42 | tamiya | coz this is the sort of garbage the public has to put up with |
| 11:05.07 | themill | tamiya: your inability to cooperate with people trying to (a) fix your problem and (b) perhaps prevent it occurring in the future should not be confused with a fundamental failing of linux. |
| 11:05.54 | tamiya | right, when a simple logon doesn't default to /home/user thats not a fundamental failing |
| 11:05.57 | tamiya | christ |
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| 11:06.01 | themill | tamiya: please take a break from #debian and use that time to decide if you want help or not. And if you decide that you do want help, please use that time to gather the requested information so we have some hope of helping you. |
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| 11:13.03 | user | Is there an alternative to the CLI jdownloader in debian stable? |
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| 11:18.00 | nsadmin | what does jdownloader do? |
| 11:18.22 | petemc | uploads things? |
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| 11:18.30 | user | nsadmin: download manager for rapidshare, megaupload etc.. |
| 11:18.33 | user | auto captcha |
| 11:18.39 | illsci | Does anyone in here use sbuild? |
| 11:18.44 | illsci | or apt-ftparchvie? |
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| 11:19.10 | illsci | I had a question about building apt repos that contain multiple versions of the same package |
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| 11:19.16 | illsci | so you can specify which version you want... |
| 11:19.25 | illsci | Just trying to find some good documentation on how to set that up... |
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| 11:29.02 | nsadmin | user why do you need an alternative? |
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| 11:32.52 | user | nsadmin: I use a minimalist desktop. All is CLI. |
| 11:33.31 | da2ce7 | lol |
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| 11:36.44 | dkr | so my nas died. the server with the nas was exporting a big of chunk of it (/home) via nfs. I restored data from back-up and am exporting the the same data, but due to the outage, restarting nfs, apparently, I am getting "stale NFS handle" on the clients. umount says device busy, fuser -m /home says cannot stat /home because of stale nfs handle. |
| 11:37.10 | dkr | also tried "mount -fo remount /home". any other ideas? (can't really reboot these systems) |
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| 11:38.11 | nsadmin | user so no x? |
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| 11:38.49 | user | nsadmin: i use X |
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| 11:44.05 | nsadmin | well let's look from the other side... did the author of this software put it under a free software license? |
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| 11:44.15 | xteensx | http://xteensx.info/2011/11/09/young-girl-masturbate/ |
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| 11:44.31 | nsadmin | one sec |
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| 11:50.28 | elcolombianito | hello |
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| 11:51.44 | elcolombianito | i have migrated from fedora to debian squeeze... but some things i want to configure... such as brightness control of my netbook's screen. In fedora (its still alive in another aprtition) it worked, so i was wondering how i could check what it used to be able to work and apply it in my debian partition |
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| 11:53.45 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 11:55.57 | dury | my public ip it's different than the apache ip server. how do I access to it from outside |
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| 11:57.14 | nsadmin | is the server IP exposed to the net? |
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| 11:57.47 | Gerben | dury, forward port 80 from your router to your apache server |
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| 11:59.53 | dury | Gerben: there are so many option in than router ... IP filter could be? |
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| 12:00.32 | dury | so many options in that router I mean sorry |
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| 12:02.16 | dury | Gerben: how can I forward port 80 from my router to my apache server? |
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| 12:02.46 | dury | Gerben: I guess it depends of the router |
| 12:03.20 | Skummel | dury, http://portforward.com/ got alot of guides for that |
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| 12:08.36 | elcolombianito | please, can someone confirm this to me: if in another distro software was available to handle some hardware characteristics, such as the brightness of the screen, is it enough to see what modules it used and then try to install those modules in debian? |
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| 12:10.37 | nsadmin | you could try that... also significant is the kernel versions and the kernel source config |
| 12:11.08 | pupuserD6 | has Etch installed on another drive... currently using Lenny... question: the Etch makes a desktop shortcut for files downloaded to Desktop folder... Lenny doesnt... is this some app, or is it default in Etch, and, how can it be done for Lenny (long question :) |
| 12:11.21 | elcolombianito | ok, thanks |
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| 12:11.54 | no_gravity | Anybody here who knows what the "while [[ $1 == -* ]]; do" does? |
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| 12:14.55 | dury | Skummel: Am I right when I said that it depends of the router to forward port 80 to apache server? |
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| 12:15.43 | Skummel | In a way yes, it's the router that forward the port 80 to the apache server.... |
| 12:16.11 | Skummel | that's also why I pasted the site, since it got alot of guides for a lot of router to portforward ports ;) |
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| 12:21.56 | pupuserD6 | oops... wrong... the desktop shortcut DOES work fine in Lenny... I was using mini-debian-puppy when I saw that sorry again |
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| 12:22.42 | nsadmin | mini-debian-puppy is probably not debian :) |
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| 12:23.18 | pupuserD6 | yea... it is largely based on debian... but they tossed lots of good features to make it mini :) |
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| 12:25.19 | wart___ | ok, so i'm pretty new at debian: i removed gdm via rc-update (or whatever it was called). however, i realize on this device i need gdm (its a tablet), so i mounted the debian img on another box and did an ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S20gdm which I thought would have done the trick |
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| 12:25.28 | wart___ | but it doesn't seem to have |
| 12:26.15 | dkr | poor man's "fuser -m /home" "ls -dl /proc/[0-9]*/cwd | grep /home" (since fuser didn't work due to stale nfs handle, parsing /proc let me figure it out) |
| 12:26.34 | petemc | wart___: you can look in the gdm postinst file for the exact update-rc.d line you need |
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| 12:26.44 | petemc | in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 12:27.30 | wart___ | petemc: oh but my point is i can't run update-rc.d since i'm mounting the debian box via my gentoo box |
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| 12:27.43 | wart___ | so i need to "manually" do whatever update-rc.d does which i thought was just the symlink |
| 12:27.51 | petemc | wart___: you can chroot into it |
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| 12:28.17 | petemc | wart___: but you can also just create the symlinks, the arguments passed to update-rc.d are the numbers used |
| 12:28.26 | wart___ | what's the combination again? |
| 12:28.35 | wart___ | chroot /mnt/usb2 /bin/bash |
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| 12:28.44 | wart___ | and then just source /etc/bashrc? |
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| 12:29.38 | wart___ | petemc: or were my ln commands the right ones? |
| 12:30.22 | petemc | pretty close.. |
| 12:30.37 | petemc | you dont need to source bashrc, ime |
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| 12:35.09 | wart___ | oh its an arm device so that won't work |
| 12:35.18 | wart___ | i'm pretty sure the symlink command i ran didn't work |
| 12:35.28 | wart___ | so what might i be missing that update-rc.d does? |
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| 12:39.49 | olewolf | I'm not sure if this is the proper channel to ask if I'm having difficulties creating a package? More specifically, my postinst script for a dkms bombs, stating that "ERROR (dkms apport): unable to determine source package for (mypackagename)-dkms". Except, there's no error in the build log, and the kernel module is actually built. |
| 12:39.54 | arghx | wart___: check logfiles what went wong |
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| 12:40.22 | arghx | olewolf: which package is the problem? |
| 12:40.35 | arghx | s/wong/wrong |
| 12:40.42 | olewolf | arghx: none that is out there yet. It's one that I'm creating. |
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| 12:43.04 | mvv | dkr: very poor mans... |
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| 12:50.16 | PoKrAk | hello if anyone knows open webmail can help me ? |
| 12:50.51 | arghx | PoKrAk: ask your real question |
| 12:51.31 | PoKrAk | on serwer one user cant read mail in webmail |
| 12:51.44 | PoKrAk | rest can |
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| 12:52.13 | PoKrAk | he is reciving mails but wia www his mailbox i empty |
| 12:52.17 | wart___ | arghx: i'm in /mnt/mydebian/var/log but nothing screams at me. what should i look for? |
| 12:53.36 | arghx | Xorg.0.log for example? dunno where and how gdm logs stuff, find out |
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| 12:57.49 | wart___ | arghx: yeah its not telling me anything. i don't know much about gdm at all either which is why i wanted to just su - peterjh -c startx and bypass it |
| 12:58.45 | batouzo | anyone knows easy way to quickly install some rootkit on my computer (with root access) - to test anti-rootkit software? |
| 12:58.58 | wart___ | the easiest would be to just figure out what gdm called to call lxde and put that in my .xinitrc |
| 12:59.07 | wart___ | but the gdm.conf stuff is so complicated i haven't been able to deduce that :p |
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| 12:59.54 | petemc | wart___: did you look in the gdm postinst file? |
| 13:00.00 | arghx | batouzo: no, and you better never ever mention it again. agsint network policy, channel policy too |
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| 13:00.06 | wart___ | petemc: yes |
| 13:00.19 | petemc | it didnt shed any light on your problem ? |
| 13:00.31 | batouzo | arghx: can you read? my OWN box |
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| 13:00.48 | wart___ | petemc: it gave me the update-rc.d command to run. |
| 13:00.55 | wart___ | but i made the symlinks by hand |
| 13:01.06 | batouzo | I just knew someone will go somartass on this "omg ur a hacker?" |
| 13:01.39 | arghx | batouzo: can you think?hacking in any form, even your ow stuff, is not allowed on this network |
| 13:01.43 | petemc | wart___: do you have the gdm deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 13:01.45 | batouzo | arghx: burnMMX program / burncpu packet is also against policy? |
| 13:01.52 | batouzo | arghx: are you retarded? |
| 13:01.56 | arghx | we cannot know if you reallyuse it for yourself only or if you lie |
| 13:02.09 | arghx | we have to assume you are lying. we know you don't think already |
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| 13:02.36 | batouzo | arghx: yeah whatever. retarded. |
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| 13:02.41 | arghx | burnmmx is a hadware test program, not malware. all rootkits are malware, no exception |
| 13:03.17 | batouzo | yeah and paxtest is designed to hack your kernel to get user->root exploit |
| 13:03.23 | batouzo | and yet is is in debian repo |
| 13:03.28 | batouzo | sue them |
| 13:03.44 | bs0d | Hello everybody. How to make a network bridge be created upon boot? I have written a config into /etc/network/interfaces, but it produces a 'no device' error, until I manually run brctl addbr ... |
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| 13:04.07 | batouzo | yeah security by uneducating, let's hope the actually hackers do not know how to run exploits |
| 13:04.51 | wart___ | petemc: yep |
| 13:04.54 | arghx | bs0d: what config in the interfaces file? |
| 13:05.03 | petemc | wart___: you could try reinstalling it while chrooted |
| 13:05.17 | wart___ | petemc: i can't chroot because the debian img is arm and i'm on an x86 box |
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| 13:05.49 | wart___ | is there a way to just figure out what gdm calls as part of the .xinitrc and put that in my .xinitrc? |
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| 13:06.00 | bs0d | arghx: http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?q2vs8qavp4hx |
| 13:06.09 | wart___ | all i really need is the old lxde that came with this .img before i did an update-rc.d remove gdm |
| 13:06.46 | arghx | bs0d: run the brctl in a posu-up.d script? |
| 13:07.05 | arghx | wart___: lxde uses gdm? |
| 13:07.17 | arghx | bs0d: psot-up.d rather |
| 13:07.24 | wart___ | arghx: well the .img file i had has gdm installed whjich autologins and defaults to lxde |
| 13:07.32 | wart___ | arghx: which importantly has an onscreen keyboard |
| 13:07.40 | arghx | wart___: is this even debian? |
| 13:07.44 | wart___ | arghx: yes |
| 13:07.51 | bs0d | arghx: I have never used this script. Which man should I refer to? |
| 13:08.03 | bs0d | man psot-up.d ? |
| 13:08.16 | niklaswe | how should the sed row be if I want to remove all blankspace execpt the last one. |
| 13:08.22 | arghx | PoKrAk: you write your own post-up.d. script. it's executed after a interface has come up |
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| 13:08.29 | wart___ | arghx: its http://dev.openaos.org/wiki/Debian%20gen8 |
| 13:08.39 | niklaswe | sed 's/ //g' will remove all blankspace.. |
| 13:08.57 | arghx | bs0d: man interfaces tells you about them |
| 13:10.45 | wart___ | but i'm in a pinch cuz i've never used gdm or lxde and used debian for a few years about 13 years ago :-) |
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| 13:11.10 | wart___ | as soon as i get a terminal up i'll recompile svkbd and i can then run dwm + svkbd just fine |
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| 13:11.43 | bs0d | arghx: thank you, I'll go for reboot now |
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| 13:12.08 | ispirto | I'm getting this error: gzip: test.gz is a multi-part gzip file -- not supported when I use gunzip test.gz. How can I extract this file? |
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| 13:24.28 | PoKrAk | arghx: no |
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| 13:26.21 | PoKrAk | any one can help me witch openwebmail only one user cant read mail via www other users can server is postfix and courier |
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| 13:42.20 | dpcmain | anybody here? |
| 13:42.31 | dpcmain | I have a problem |
| 13:42.46 | mocra | of course |
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| 13:43.19 | claudep | themill: thanks, i finally succeeded by a succession of partial apt-get update <package> / apt-get install -f commands |
| 13:43.27 | ivh | Hi. I get the following when trying to suspend-toram my laptop (running squeeze): Freezing of tasks failed after 20.01 seconds (1 tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0). How can I find the culprit ? |
| 13:43.39 | dpcmain | When I complete install debian by netinst.iso(testing), then configure pppoe, all is ok. but when I run "apt-get update" to update source, the error message show "failed to fetch gzip...... hash sum mismatch" |
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| 13:43.52 | dpcmain | how can i do? |
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| 13:44.14 | pushpop | can you run gnome 3.2 on debian yet? |
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| 13:44.25 | dpcmain | When I complete install debian by netinst.iso(testing), then configure pppoe, all is ok. but when I run "apt-get update" to update source, the error message show "failed to fetch gzip...... hash sum mismatch" |
| 13:44.47 | dpcmain | anybody know? |
| 13:44.54 | dpcmain | anybody can help me? |
| 13:45.21 | dpcmain | anybody help me |
| 13:46.19 | mocra | 1 time is enough.. |
| 13:46.42 | dpcmain | mocra: ............ |
| 13:46.53 | dpcmain | anyone help me? |
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| 13:47.09 | mocra | fu |
| 13:47.39 | dpcmain | anyone can help me ? |
| 13:48.47 | somiaj | dpcmain: you don't need to keep asking. People see your question all you do is make them less likely to do so. What mirror are you using, can you put your sources.list at paste.debian.net |
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| 13:49.15 | somiaj | dpcmain: also #debian-next on the irc network irc.debian.org is the prefered place for testing/unstable help. This is mainly a stable support channell. |
| 13:49.21 | dpcmain | somiaj: sorry... |
| 13:50.19 | dpcmain | somiaj: deb http://mirrors.163.com/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://mirrors.163.com/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirrors.163.com/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb-src http://mirrors.163.com/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main non-free contrib |
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| 13:50.39 | dpcmain | somiaj: can you see? |
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| 13:51.12 | yassine | hi folks |
| 13:52.01 | somiaj | I haven't heard of this mirrors.163.com, not sure where you got that mirror. -- well it is an offical mirror http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 13:52.18 | somiaj | dpcmain: My sugestion is try a different mirror, there could just be something wrong with their hash. |
| 13:52.50 | somiaj | dpcmain: I'd suggest ftp.cn.debian.org as the mirror to try |
| 13:53.01 | yassine | im trying to compile & build a deb package from a kernel sources using : fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom-0.1 kernel-image kernel-headers but dpkg-gencontrol claim : error: Illegal package name `linux-image-3.0.8-custom-0.1-domU' any idea whats wrong in here? |
| 13:53.52 | somiaj | yassine: yes, you canot have letters before numbers |
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| 13:54.09 | dpcmain | somiaj: thank you |
| 13:54.22 | somiaj | yassine: guess they finly implmented (its been spitting out depriciation warnings and its a shame many docs still suggest that, make your revision 0.1-custom |
| 13:54.29 | yassine | ahhh thanks! |
| 13:54.36 | yassine | i flipped it around |
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| 13:54.56 | dpcmain | somiaj: I have use this source many times. also 2 hours ago, but I think it's ok |
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| 13:55.36 | somiaj | dpcmain: Its an offical mirror, maybe it just had a bad update or something else is going on. But my suggestion is first try a different mirror. If that doesn't fix your issue then its something else. |
| 13:56.01 | dpcmain | somiaj: ok, let me try |
| 13:56.09 | dpcmain | somiaj: thanks |
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| 13:56.39 | somiaj | dpcmain: it also could be just an error with their testing part of their mirror. But I'm not going to specilate what's wrong, lets see if a different mirror fixes your issue (many mirrors only mirror stable the offical release) |
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| 14:00.25 | yassine | somiaj, still complaining: dpkg-gencontrol: error: Illegal package name `linux-image-3.0.8-0.1-custom-domU' |
| 14:00.48 | yassine | ahh the '-' ? |
| 14:00.56 | jelly | yassine: no, capital letter |
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| 14:01.27 | jelly | '-' is ok |
| 14:01.33 | yassine | jelly, the domU is set via kernel configs |
| 14:01.45 | jelly | yassine: re-set it. |
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| 14:25.55 | X0n | hi, I try to install java-bin-jre.run with make-jpkg but I can't found make-jpkg on debian sid I enabled non-free and contrib but package still not found any idea ? thanks |
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| 14:27.07 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 14:29.44 | elcolombianito | hi |
| 14:29.58 | elcolombianito | how is it that i can add my self to the sudo group... |
| 14:30.10 | abrotman | adduser username sudo |
| 14:30.53 | elcolombianito | wont that create a new user? |
| 14:31.00 | elcolombianito | mmm man time |
| 14:31.13 | dury | as I said the last time I've been my public ip it's different than apache server and I can't access from outside. someone here advice me to forward port 80 from my router to apache server. Is that correct? |
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| 14:32.04 | elcolombianito | If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group. |
| 14:32.15 | elcolombianito | thanks |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | elcolombianito: man adduser if you don't believe me |
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| 14:32.29 | dury | if it's correct.. no idea how to do it |
| 14:32.32 | erchache2000 | im downloading debian squeeze for sparc |
| 14:32.38 | erchache2000 | and see two image dvd |
| 14:32.45 | erchache2000 | do i need both? |
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| 14:33.11 | elcolombianito | oh yeas, i just did abortman... thanks... what i put was what i found on the man page but i wasnt sure... thatns |
| 14:34.04 | dury | I did even check portforward.com |
| 14:34.30 | elcolombianito | thing is, taht i get a message saying im already on the sudo grouo.. but when i try to use sudo, i get the contrary mesasge |
| 14:34.31 | dury | but my router model it's not in the list |
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| 14:35.06 | elcolombianito | "elcolombianito is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 14:35.46 | dury | router zyzel P-870HW-51A V2 |
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| 14:35.59 | ansgar | elcolombianito: Groups are only set when you login. |
| 14:36.17 | dury | sorry zyxel P-870HW-51A V2 |
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| 14:37.08 | elcolombianito | ohhhh... thanks ansgar |
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| 14:40.31 | elcolombianito | ahhhh, love debian.... |
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| 14:41.44 | dury | ansgar: can you support me, please? |
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| 14:43.17 | dury | port forwarding support ansgar |
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| 14:45.06 | abrotman | dury: try #netfilter |
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| 14:45.24 | abrotman | dury: they specialize in iptables support .. or check netfilter.org, lots of great docs |
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| 14:46.25 | dury | abrotman: thanks really appreciate your advice :) |
| 14:47.02 | elcolombianito | if synaptic doesnt allow me to install libreoffice due to some dependency issue i think, but the command "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports libreoffice" does let me... would it be ok to proceed and install with apt command? |
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| 14:48.59 | zykotick9 | elcolombianito, you need to use the ".. -t squeeze-backports.. " as libreoffice is not in the default repo in squeeze, only in backports |
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| 14:50.45 | elcolombianito | zykotick9, i did, but Im not sure if i should proceed to install since the syanptic manager would allow me... i guess synaptic is not adding the -t argument or something like that and that is why it wont let me... |
| 14:51.35 | zykotick9 | elcolombianito, you'll find if you tried "apt-get install libreoffice" it would also show problems. I don't know if/how synaptic deals with backports - i don't use synaptic. |
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| 14:52.22 | elcolombianito | Xd yes, thanks... better start using apt, seems much better |
| 14:52.52 | zykotick9 | elcolombianito, i'd personally recommend aptitude over apt-get |
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| 14:53.16 | elcolombianito | ok, man time... |
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| 14:54.48 | zykotick9 | elcolombianito, it's more or less a drop-in replacement for apt-get, same commands work - the advantage comes, when it wants to remove something you don't want, you can use n for no, and it give alternative options (can be very handy) |
| 14:54.52 | brah | Hi. My wheezy updated to Gnome 3 and now it's in spanish. |
| 14:55.54 | babilen | brah: You probably want to set the language in the control center |
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| 14:56.40 | brah | I only have Espanol (Argentina) |
| 14:57.04 | babilen | brah: Can't you add another one? |
| 14:57.18 | brah | There's no button. I am going to look for a gnome locale package. |
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| 14:58.38 | babilen | brah: Right, I see it. You probably want to enable the generation of more locales with "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 15:00.09 | brah | Should I use UTF-8 or one of the ISOs? |
| 15:00.30 | babilen | brah: I would recommend UTF-8 locales unless you have a good reason not to use them. |
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| 15:06.10 | brah | Looks baller. |
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| 15:08.16 | babilen | brah: If "baller" == "better" then "Great!" |
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| 15:19.12 | maher | if smart self tests are giving me errors, I assume that means I need a new hard drive... |
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| 15:19.35 | colo-work | it's a good indicator, yes |
| 15:19.37 | abrotman | maher: i'd at least make sure i have a good backup |
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| 15:23.04 | karlpinc | maher: At minimum look at improving the environment, making sure it's not overheated, etc. |
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| 15:24.11 | colo-work | just get a replacement. |
| 15:25.12 | maher | thanks - time for a new drive.... |
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| 15:36.35 | michelem | hello folks |
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| 15:36.59 | michelem | I use an initramfs to mount a unionfs similarly to what debian-live does. |
| 15:37.04 | rocketmagnet | hi all, can someone tell me what's the difference between dpkg and apt-get ?? |
| 15:37.14 | rocketmagnet | is apt-get using dpkg in the background ? |
| 15:37.38 | ksk | yessir |
| 15:37.46 | rocketmagnet | ksk: you mean me ? |
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| 15:37.53 | ksk | yessir |
| 15:37.58 | rocketmagnet | k, thank you |
| 15:38.09 | michelem | I then mount (—bind) a few paths from the concrete filesystem (a flash memory card) on some mountpoints that need to be persistent like /var/db . My problem: whenever I reboot, the concrete filesystem is "unmounted uncleanly, check forced". |
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| 15:38.10 | ksk | dpkg is the basics. it can install packages you have locally |
| 15:38.11 | dpkg | ksk: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:38.17 | rocketmagnet | so i can't use apt-get to list all installed packages for example - i've to use dpkg instead - right ? |
| 15:38.30 | ksk | apt-get/aptitude is some frontend for it, which has internet access, signed repos etc |
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| 15:38.41 | ksk | !tell rocketmagnet about apt-get |
| 15:38.41 | rocketmagnet | ah ok, i understand - thank you |
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| 15:41.48 | eigar | is there something extraordinary I have to do to get java running in web-browsers? |
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| 15:43.37 | karlpinc | eigar: Usually you need to install some java, install some java plugin for the browser, and turn java on in the browser if it's not on. |
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| 15:46.32 | eigar | karlpinc: well, icewasel say "not available", Opera say nothing (except install in sys), - have tried with both sun and open , jdk, jre, and different combos. |
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| 15:48.17 | karlpinc | eigar: See, e.g,, the description of sun-java6-plugin in non-free. |
| 15:48.47 | LittleFool | Hey im trying to create a cronjob which runs a php file. The problem is i need to pass a parameter but the script doesnt take parameters from cli. |
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| 15:50.02 | punxos | Hi |
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| 15:51.41 | gihad | Hey, how do I uninstall the nvidia drivers that were installed via apt-get install nvidia-glx ? |
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| 15:52.31 | babilen | gihad: "apt-get remove nvidia-glx" or "apt-get purge nvidia-glx" |
| 15:52.42 | boudiccas | gihad; sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx |
| 15:53.17 | babilen | gihad: But why would you want to do that? Don't you need them? |
| 15:53.27 | babilen | is nosy again |
| 15:53.40 | gihad | I wanna try the Nvidia ones |
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| 15:54.02 | rocketmagnet | so dpkg is not able to install packages from the internet ? so only local ? |
| 15:54.24 | gihad | babilen, After installing the nvidia drivers the debian way, windows resizing and moving them around is choppy |
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| 15:54.42 | babilen | gihad: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:54.47 | gihad | testing |
| 15:55.14 | gihad | Even typing on Xchat is choppy |
| 15:55.21 | themill | rocketmagnet: correct. It also doesn't know how to resolve dependencies (it only enforces dependencies) so it can't figure out how to do an upgrade or what else might need to happen to install a package. |
| 15:55.29 | gihad | But when I have the nv driver it was ok. |
| 15:55.29 | babilen | gihad: You want the nvidia drivers from sid in that case (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642757) |
| 15:55.56 | babilen | gihad: Please also not that there is a #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid support |
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| 15:56.34 | gihad | babilen, it says the channel is invite only |
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| 15:57.15 | themill | gihad: wrong network, irc.oftc.net |
| 15:57.16 | gihad | btw, apt-get remove nvidia-glx doesn't remove them, after I Reboot I still have them. |
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| 15:57.25 | babilen | gihad: On irc.oftc.net not here on irc.freenode.net -- You essentially want to make sure that your default release is set to wheezy or testing (whatever you have in your sources.list), add sid sources and install nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx from sid. |
| 15:57.29 | gihad | oh, I sww |
| 15:57.41 | rocketmagnet | themill: thank you |
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| 15:58.04 | rocketmagnet | when i try to do $ dpkg -s apt-get i get a message telling me that apt-get is not installed =( |
| 15:58.13 | rocketmagnet | $dpkg -s apt does work |
| 15:58.31 | pushpop | Is it possible to install gnome 3.2 on debian squeeze? |
| 15:58.34 | eigar | karlpinc: heh, I linked wrong. Ok now. Thanks. |
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| 15:58.53 | rotflcopter | hii |
| 15:58.56 | themill | rocketmagnet: the package is "apt" it contains a number of binaries, one of which is /usr/bin/apt-get. |
| 15:59.18 | babilen | rocketmagnet: You can list those with "dpkg -L apt" |
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| 16:00.03 | themill | (and confusingly, /usr/bin/apt is not in the package "apt" ...) |
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| 16:00.36 | rocketmagnet | i love debian and it's package managment system, it's so clean and easy to use - just great |
| 16:00.39 | gihad | babilen, you are saying I want to add sid to my sources.list ? |
| 16:00.45 | themill | blames the silly java people |
| 16:01.05 | babilen | gihad: yes, but read the complete instructions I gave you |
| 16:01.08 | babilen | !tell gihad -about tum |
| 16:01.17 | babilen | !tell gihad -about default release |
| 16:01.50 | michelem | I am mangling the root mounts in a initramdisk at boot. THe regular "init" normally remounts r/w the root mounted r/o by the kernel. How should I avoid that in my initramfs? |
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| 16:05.59 | diabel | Has anybody got some experience with HP (PA-RISC)Workstations? |
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| 16:11.18 | mguy | diabel: Are you running into a problem installing or using one |
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| 16:15.34 | diabel | mguy: It's my first PA-RISC I tried to connect my lcd with D-SUB cable (cable state is ok) I'have 'console is graph blablabla' but I have no Video on my LCD :/ |
| 16:16.20 | gihad | babilen, it worked! It moved me from driver 275.28 to 275.36. |
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| 16:16.44 | gihad | Now everything fast as it should be |
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| 16:17.21 | diabel | mguy: I tried with DVI cable but I've got the same problem or worst - lcd talking me 'no video input' on d-sub i have for 2minutes 'no video input' buy after that i've got black screen (no image, but without any warn etc) |
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| 16:17.59 | gihad | babilen, Now that I used sid to install the driver, can I deleted it from my sources and do apt-get update ? |
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| 16:19.31 | Blackvel | hi all. question: can a make / make install really corrupt a complete debian system? i am thinking to get a src install for awstats/webalizer. last year I corrupted my whole linux server with installing the depending libs by hand |
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| 16:20.11 | babilen | gihad: Did you set the default release? If so, just leave it in there. |
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| 16:21.51 | gihad | babilen, I created '/etc/apt/apt.conf' with 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' inside |
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| 16:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: The thing is there are no quality control measures for raw source code. |
| 16:22.11 | gihad | But my sources.list says wheezy and not testing. Is that a problem ? |
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| 16:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: So it could drop feces all over your system, overwrite libraries, and offer no way to roll it back. |
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| 16:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Or it could just quietly put some script files in an appropriate directory and it's only failing would be that it didn't update the dpkg database. |
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| 16:23.28 | babilen | gihad: And you have "testing" in your sources.list not "wheezy"? (they should match) -- Once you've done that run "apt-get update" and show me the output of "apt-cache policy" please |
| 16:23.41 | babilen | gihad: Ah, I see ... use the same in both. |
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| 16:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Last I checked, awstats and webalizer were two different things. Webalizer development stalled so badly that Awffull forked off of it, and now that's been stalled for several years. |
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| 16:24.48 | gihad | Is sid called unstable ? (For sources.list purposes) |
| 16:24.53 | itsnotabigtruck | yep |
| 16:25.05 | itsnotabigtruck | sid = unstable (always) |
| 16:25.13 | itsnotabigtruck | wheezy = testing (for the time being) |
| 16:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | gihad: Is there a bug report for the earlier driver not working right? |
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| 16:26.18 | gihad | jhutchins_lt, there is this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642757 |
| 16:26.27 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: yes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642757 |
| 16:26.43 | jhutchins_lt | gihad: You might want to update it to say that the sid driver works fine, that's useful info. |
| 16:26.53 | rocketmagnet | hi all, how can get access to acpi information if there is nothing in /proc/acpi/them... ? |
| 16:27.14 | rocketmagnet | i can use the lm-sensors package to display this information, but they are not listed in /proc |
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| 16:27.45 | gihad | jhutchins_lt, I didn't read through the whole thing |
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| 16:28.08 | jeward | Hi, I accidentally installed package vzctl on an openvz container. It fails to configre and pretty much crashes the container if I try to remove it. |
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| 16:29.08 | mguy | diabel: what video connector is it again? |
| 16:29.35 | gihad | babilen, the output of apt-cache policy is here: http://pastebin.com/88sLecPc |
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| 16:30.07 | babilen | gihad: That looks fine |
| 16:30.34 | gihad | Cool, so now I can install stuff from sid when I want to. |
| 16:30.50 | batouzo | hi how to install stuff without the recommended |
| 16:31.02 | batouzo | dependencies |
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| 16:31.34 | batouzo | btw does psi on debian squeeze have off-the-record (otr)? |
| 16:31.44 | jeward | Meeting, brb. |
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| 16:32.20 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: My systems have always defaulted to not installing suggests or recommends. Why do some users seem to get them by default? |
| 16:32.37 | babilen | batouzo: pass "--no-install-recommends" to apt-get or "-R" or "--without-recommends" to aptitude |
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| 16:33.11 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I think the right question is: Why does your system not install recommends by default? |
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| 16:33.38 | dpcmain | hello all |
| 16:33.47 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I guess you have "APT::Install-Recommends no;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:33.56 | dpcmain | debian tesing/wheezy how to install ATI 6750 driver |
| 16:34.11 | babilen | !tell dpcmain -about fglrx dkms |
| 16:34.14 | dpcmain | I have complete install base system |
| 16:34.34 | babilen | dpcmain: Please also note that we have a #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid support |
| 16:34.42 | dpcmain | babilen: that is for Squeeze |
| 16:35.01 | batouzo | babilen: yeap. thanks. sorry I just forgotten |
| 16:35.10 | babilen | dpcmain: Well, adopt it to fit the right kernel version, but you are right. |
| 16:35.23 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: As far as I know none of the systems I have even _has_ an apt-conf |
| 16:35.30 | punxos | I'm using qemu to learn how ARM works ($ qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb). I created boot.S with the exception handlers (all handlers are "b ." except reset). boot.s just set the cpu to SVC32 mode and iitializae the bss and finally set the sp and call a "first_c_function". When and IRQ is raised is not stopped in "B ." but enter in reset handler. Any idea ??? |
| 16:35.33 | dpcmain | babilen: my kernel is 3.01 |
| 16:35.33 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Good question then |
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| 16:35.47 | boudiccas | dpcmain; i think you'll find that this channel is for squeeze and the other channels mentioned are for wheezy/sid |
| 16:35.56 | babilen | dpcmain: Yes, install its headers and fglrx-driver and recommended packages |
| 16:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Checked the files in apt-conf.d too. |
| 16:36.23 | dpcmain | boudiccas: I can not join debian-next |
| 16:36.27 | dpcmain | boudiccas: why? |
| 16:36.34 | jhutchins_lt | dpcmain: You're on the wrong server. |
| 16:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | dpcmain: It's on oftc.net |
| 16:36.50 | babilen | dpcmain: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and not here on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:37.00 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: An alias maybe? |
| 16:37.05 | boudiccas | dpcmain; are you trying irc.oftc.net? |
| 16:37.13 | babilen | irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:37.36 | gihad | when I do 'which java' I get: '/usr/bin/java' but I didn't put that there ? How can I remove that ? |
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| 16:37.49 | babilen | gihad: Please elaborate |
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| 16:38.22 | gihad | babilen, the java that I Want to use is in my home directory, I already set the classpath to it, but it's picking up the one in /user/bin/java first |
| 16:38.32 | gihad | java --version |
| 16:38.35 | gihad | ops* |
| 16:39.01 | dpcmain | boudiccas: yes, I'm typing |
| 16:39.03 | gihad | it says: "OpenJDK 64-Bit" |
| 16:39.06 | babilen | gihad: Which java do you have in your home directory and why don't you use the one provided by Debian? You can adjust your path accordingly, but doing so seems to be the wrong approach |
| 16:39.24 | babilen | s/path/PATH |
| 16:40.00 | thewanderer1 | does a .ppd file have to be autonomic, or can it use shared libraries? wondering if I need to install various .so's on the system along with the PPD printer driver for CUPS |
| 16:40.06 | gihad | babilen, I Want to use sun java (which is in my home directory) because the rest of the developers here use it. |
| 16:40.34 | gihad | java -version gives me 'OpenJDK 64-Bit' |
| 16:41.02 | gihad | ahh, /usr/bin/java is just a link.... |
| 16:41.03 | dpcmain | boudiccas: I can not find debian-next on oftc |
| 16:41.04 | babilen | gihad: Adjust your PATH accordingly, but relying on Sun's java (in particular for 7) is wrong ... OpnJDK is the reference implementation for 7 btw. |
| 16:41.06 | tensorpudding | you can manually uninstall java, then add the path to the java in your home directory to your PATH |
| 16:41.18 | boudiccas | dpcmain; #debian-next |
| 16:41.26 | dpcmain | any body can help me |
| 16:41.32 | babilen | dpcmain: The channel is #debian-next ... just run "/join #debian-next" to join |
| 16:41.51 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: well 1,5 years ago when my last etch server crashed so badly. i can't remember anymore but i think there had been 2-3 forks of webalizer. I really put much efforts into configuration so i want to use it now :) |
| 16:41.53 | tensorpudding | or you can just add the path to your java first, which will cover up the one to /usr/bin, i believe |
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| 16:42.35 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: We just use google analytics since awffull started messing up every night. |
| 16:42.39 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: i was just curious to hear if you guys sometimes make debian crash when make software / libraries by hand |
| 16:42.43 | jhine | Hi. I'm following a guide to setting my screen resolution to 1024x1048 (I think?) and I've opened terminal as root and entered "dpkg-reconfigure -phight xserver-xorg" but it returned "debconf: Ignoring invalid priority 'hight' Valid properties are: low medium high critical |
| 16:43.03 | itsnotabigtruck | jhutchins_lt: so you're saying it's...awffull? |
| 16:43.04 | tensorpudding | jhine, -phigh |
| 16:43.08 | jhine | thanks |
| 16:43.10 | tensorpudding | jhine, not -hpight |
| 16:43.15 | tensorpudding | err, -phight |
| 16:43.18 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: i guess it is always saver just to use deb with the right libs, isn't it? |
| 16:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Like I said, there's no quality standard for source code. |
| 16:43.31 | dpcmain | boudiccas: how to see my current video driver |
| 16:43.37 | Blackvel | right |
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| 16:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Whereas Debian packages have been through unstable and testing and meet the Debian standards. |
| 16:43.52 | babilen | gihad: Adjust your PATH so the java in your home takes precedence. Please don't mess around with the alternative system. You also shouldn't be targetting Sun's java. (seriously) |
| 16:44.31 | gihad | babilen, really ? I just renamed the symlink to point to sun java |
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| 16:45.16 | babilen | *sigh* .. well have fun |
| 16:45.31 | gihad | babilen, no... I believe you. I will fix it. |
| 16:45.35 | tensorpudding | just remove the openjdk |
| 16:45.52 | gihad | tensorpudding, even after I removed it, it was still there |
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| 16:46.04 | babilen | There is nothing wrong with OpenJDK .. but I'll shutup now |
| 16:46.19 | tensorpudding | well, i thought it didn't support everything that oracle did? |
| 16:47.56 | Skummel | Didn't Oracle use openjdk for reference for java 1,7? I think I remember reading it somewhere. |
| 16:47.59 | jhine | "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" isnt doing anything o.O |
| 16:48.01 | tensorpudding | i'm not sure why oracle would give up on the sun jdk and promulgate openjdk |
| 16:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: The defaults for recommends don't seem to be in the docs either. |
| 16:48.28 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: i think that is the point. a sw with 3rd party lib dependencies gone thru sid, testing, unstable already |
| 16:48.45 | Blackvel | wont make you crash the linux system so fast |
| 16:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: Right, and while untested software won't necessarily crash or malfunction, you have no way of knowing that. |
| 16:49.28 | dpcmain | anybody can tell me how to install ATI driver on testing? |
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| 16:51.21 | dpcmain | please help me! :-( |
| 16:51.22 | diabel | mguy: Yes, I've got the reasen. The reason is that my console is SERIAL1 but to have video on LCD I must change it to graph2 (I saw on the internet that if someone got graph2 = LCD) how to change it? |
| 16:51.40 | Blackvel | jhutchins_lt: ok...i will see if i can find again the forks. as long as my config works and gives me the expected results I shouldnt care too much about the latest version. i believe i was missing on important feature so i used the source |
| 16:52.13 | babilen | dpcmain: I already told your: Install kernel headers and fglrx-driver + recommends |
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| 16:53.10 | dpcmain | babilen: can I install ATI official bin file? It say no need to install kernel file... |
| 16:53.14 | jeward | I accidentally installed the vxctl package on an openvz container. It fails to configure and the container crashes when I try to remove the package. |
| 16:53.18 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: I really don't know about the current status. Like I said, we mostly use Google Analytics now. We were using more computing power analysing the logs than running the server. You might want to look into offloading the analysis to a local machine that's cheaper than one in the datacenter. |
| 16:53.33 | dpcmain | babilen: I only want to know anyone success to install with this method |
| 16:53.59 | jhine | ugh, trying to fix my screen resolution but running this as root "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" isnt doing anything o.O |
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| 16:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dpcmain about ati |
| 16:54.13 | dpcmain | babilen: And can you tell how can I see my current video driver? |
| 16:54.21 | babilen | dpcmain: We don't support ATI's installer. Can't you install the kernel headers and the driver + recommends? What are you having problems with? |
| 16:54.38 | babilen | dpcmain: Take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:56.16 | arghx | dpcmain: the official ati bin file needs kernel-headers too. |
| 16:56.55 | dpcmain | arghx: no!! it say the current version driver bin file does not need header file. |
| 16:57.17 | dpcmain | arghx: where can i paste my log file? |
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| 16:57.40 | arghx | dpcmain: then it cannot build a kernel module and can't work. but what babilen said still stays. you can paste in a pastebin, but what does that help you getting fglrx installed? |
| 16:57.45 | arghx | !paste |
| 16:57.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 16:58.05 | jeward | How can I remove the vzctl package from my openvz squeeze container without crashing said container? |
| 16:58.15 | arghx | !tell jeward about bat |
| 16:58.26 | dpcmain | arghx: please to check my Xorg.0.log file wether have install driver |
| 16:58.44 | arghx | dpcmain: dpkg -l |grep fglrx and you know if it's installed or not |
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| 16:59.08 | jeward | arghx: The container crashes when I execute aptitude remove vzctl. |
| 16:59.22 | arghx | jeward: you don't want to use aptitude but dpkg |
| 16:59.32 | arghx | ,versions vzctl |
| 16:59.34 | judd | Package: vzctl on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.22-14; squeeze: 3.0.24-12; sid: 3.0.29.3-1; wheezy: 3.0.29.3-1 |
| 16:59.49 | jeward | arghx: Okay, I'll try that. |
| 16:59.51 | kellnola | I'm dealing with a borked etch server that had an md0 device on to of lvm (NOT root raid) the boot drive died ... will the 6.0 cd be able to rescue that? |
| 17:00.04 | babilen | dpcmain: You want to install fglrx, don't you? I told you how to do that and I am not sure what you need help with. It would make sense to ask specific questions. If you are, for example, which package you need to install for the kernel headers I can tell your that. Likewise if you unsure how to force the installations of recommended packages and so on... |
| 17:00.11 | kellnola | md device was raid 1 btw |
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| 17:00.27 | arghx | babilen: I told him what you did yesterday already. he didn't listen obviously |
| 17:00.34 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 17:01.40 | jeward | arghx: dpkg --remove vzctl crashes the container. |
| 17:01.54 | tuvwx | what's going on in testing? vanishing updates |
| 17:02.09 | arghx | jeward: dpkg told you something. either you follow that or you are on your own. good luck |
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| 17:03.06 | jeward | arghx: Well, it may have, but the contaner crashed before I could read it. |
| 17:03.39 | dpcmain | arghx: give me the final method to install ATI driver on wheezy(testing) please :-( |
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| 17:04.11 | arghx | !tell dpcmain about fglrx dkms |
| 17:04.16 | dpcmain | arghx: I don't want any failed.... I have crash many times these days... I'm crash |
| 17:04.28 | arghx | dpcmain: if you need more than that, then please run debian stable as you've been told countless times |
| 17:04.58 | dpcmain | arghx: could you check my Xorg.log file? |
| 17:05.06 | dpcmain | arghx: please |
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| 17:05.34 | arghx | dpcmain: you only whine and whenever someone wants from you to ask specific questions, or for you to give specific answers you whine some more. I'm fed up with that. either you can follow instructions and ask normally, with giving info what exactly goes wrong how, or I will not help you. so either start now ir I put you on ignore |
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| 17:05.43 | btorch | anyone here uses a MegaRAID SAS 1078 controller ? |
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| 17:05.51 | dpcmain | arghx: http://paste.debian.net/144188 |
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| 17:06.38 | dpcmain | arghx: .... sorry |
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| 17:08.34 | kellnola | btorch used similar |
| 17:09.22 | babilen | dpcmain: You are using the radeon driver provided by xserver-xorg-video-radeon .. install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmare-linux-nonfree if you want 3d hardware acceleration with that. If you want to use fglrx do what I told you before. If you have problems: ask! |
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| 17:10.14 | btorch | kellnola: cool, I'm trying to figure out why after deleting the virtual disk and preparing the drives for removal .. the actuall device block (in this case sdb) never goes away .. have noticed that ? |
| 17:10.24 | morphic_ | hello, is there some app to find which package a determinated file pertains? |
| 17:10.40 | arghx | morphic_: dpkg -S <file you want to know about> |
| 17:10.41 | babilen | !tell morphic_ -about apt-file |
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| 17:10.58 | morphic_ | cool, thanks |
| 17:11.26 | dpcmain | babilen: could you tell me again? I cannot find your message.... |
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| 17:11.34 | btorch | the reason I ask is because I'm also replacing the drives with 2T so after doing so and re-creating the new virtual disk parted still shows sdb with the old geometry |
| 17:11.43 | kellnola | is there anywhere I can find a debian 4.0 cd? the full cd, that is? |
| 17:11.49 | babilen | dpcmain: Install the kernel headers and fglrx-driver + recommended packages |
| 17:12.06 | dpcmain | babilen: give me command... |
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| 17:12.24 | dpcmain | babilen: please see my Xorg log file.... |
| 17:12.35 | dpcmain | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/144188 |
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| 17:13.08 | dpcmain | babilen: my uname -a is "Linux debian 3.0.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 27 16:21:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 17:13.31 | dpcmain | babilen: please |
| 17:13.36 | dpcmain | babilen: :-( |
| 17:13.47 | ElDiabolo | I just decided to stick with the desktop enviroment that has a well known way to suck (for me - gnome). How do I install the complete gnome suite that a normal debian desktop install would? aptitude install gnome? |
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| 17:13.58 | arghx | !tell kellnola about etch iso |
| 17:14.05 | babilen | dpcmain: this has nothing to do with your xorg logs -- You want to install kernel headers. Those can be found in, for example, linux-headers-amd64 (which depends on the newest kernel headers for the installed kernel) -- You can see all kernel header packages with "aptitude search ~n^linux-header" -- You also want fglrx-driver and you can force the installation of recommends with the "-r" option |
| 17:14.13 | arghx | !tell ElDiabolo about install gnome |
| 17:14.23 | arghx | ElDiabolo: you can also run tasksel and install desktop environment |
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| 17:14.53 | babilen | dpcmain: The "-r" is for aptitude |
| 17:15.16 | babilen | !tell dpcmain about fglrx dkms |
| 17:15.46 | dpcmain | babilen: I need to add something in my source.list file? |
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| 17:16.08 | babilen | dpcmain: You essentially just have to adapt that command to the 3.0 kernel (by removing the -2.6 in there) .. after you've installed the packages in question create the configuration file as detailed in dpkg's factoid. |
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| 17:16.51 | babilen | !tell dpcmain -about non-free sources |
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| 17:17.08 | kellnola | arghx, yeah, the torrents have no seeders and the only iso is the netinstall |
| 17:17.11 | kellnola | oh well |
| 17:17.35 | babilen | dpcmain: So add non-free (+ contrib), install the packages in question and create the configuration file. Done. |
| 17:18.38 | arghx | kellnola: jigdo is still there |
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| 17:18.38 | dpcmain | babilen: I hava do these, but when I run "aptitude search fglrx", only show "p glx-alternative-fglrx - allows the selection of FGLRX as GLX provi" |
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| 17:18.38 | jeward | arghx: http://pastebin.com/JKZGddN4 |
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| 17:18.43 | dpcmain | babilen: no fglrx-driver package |
| 17:19.11 | babilen | dpcmain: So enable non-free and contrib in your sources.list -- don't forget to run "apt-get update" after you've done so. |
| 17:19.16 | diabel | squezee is a stable version, yes? |
| 17:19.18 | arghx | jeward: device is busy. check what makes it busy and shut it down |
| 17:19.18 | jeward | arghx: Does that help? |
| 17:19.29 | arghx | diabel: yes |
| 17:19.35 | jeward | arghx: The device is the root filesystem... |
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| 17:19.40 | diabel | thx |
| 17:19.44 | unseensoul | Hi |
| 17:19.52 | dpcmain | babilen: I have do these |
| 17:20.22 | babilen | dpcmain: Then run "aptitude -r install linux-headers-amd64 fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" |
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| 17:21.05 | babilen | dpcmain: You could also just keep on using the radeon driver that you use right now. If you want 3d hardware acceleration install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 17:21.17 | dpcmain | babilen: Is AMD offcial driver better than debian default? |
| 17:21.22 | babilen | no |
| 17:21.46 | geo2` | Hi.I updated my kernel to lenny backort |
| 17:22.00 | dpcmain | babilen: why use AMD offcial driver/ |
| 17:22.04 | babilen | dpcmain: After you've done all this → reboot |
| 17:22.06 | dpcmain | babilen: ? |
| 17:22.11 | babilen | dpcmain: Why indeed?! |
| 17:23.20 | unseensoul | The sound/volume applet in gnome 3 does not seem to work although audio is working. How can I fix this? |
| 17:23.26 | geo2` | it's 2.6.32-bpo.5 686 |
| 17:23.35 | dpcmain | babilen: I want to see flash video on some website with adobe flash, so I think the better video driver can speed up. |
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| 17:23.56 | babilen | ok |
| 17:24.03 | geo2` | but I still cannot find my athero wireless card in my eeepc |
| 17:24.31 | arghx | geo2`: which debian are you running? and what wlan card do you have? |
| 17:25.06 | geo2` | arghx: |
| 17:25.14 | geo2` | I updated my kernel to lenny backort |
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| 17:25.23 | arghx | geo2`: that's not what I asked. please answer my question |
| 17:25.56 | geo2` | well.it's the answer.I use lenny.obviously |
| 17:26.19 | geo2` | well.maybe some one use the old kernel |
| 17:26.27 | geo2` | but I use lenny |
| 17:26.28 | arghx | not really obvious... and I still wait for an answer |
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| 17:26.32 | babilen | geo2`: Which wireless adapter are you using (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 17:26.44 | agentcobra | is back (gone 11:37:37) |
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| 17:27.09 | arghx | agentcobra: disable that when you are in #debian please |
| 17:27.33 | agentcobra | how ? |
| 17:27.35 | geo2` | wait.gentleman |
| 17:27.41 | geo2` | I need my mouse |
| 17:27.42 | jelly | dpcmain: gpu acceleration of flash video on Linux isn't very reliable |
| 17:27.43 | arghx | agentcobra: depends on your irc client. we cannot know |
| 17:27.56 | agentcobra | I am xchat |
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| 17:28.01 | arghx | jelly: nice understatement |
| 17:28.04 | agentcobra | under ubuntu lucid |
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| 17:28.12 | dpcmain | jelly: oh.... Can I use debian default ATI driver? |
| 17:28.17 | arghx | agentcobra: then ask #ubuntu or #xchat how to configure it |
| 17:28.35 | jelly | arghx: my understatements are legendary |
| 17:28.36 | geo2` | babilen: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter [1969:2048] (rev a0) |
| 17:28.40 | dpcmain | dpcmain: I mean the default dirver with no problem |
| 17:28.49 | arghx | geo2`: not wlan |
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| 17:29.13 | agentcobra | ok, I will read the man |
| 17:29.15 | babilen | geo2`: That is ethernet, not your wireless device. If it is an USB one paste the relevant line from "lsusb" |
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| 17:30.21 | geo2` | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.25 | geo2` | nothing |
| 17:30.32 | dpcmain | jelly: I mean the default dirver with no problem |
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| 17:30.40 | geo2` | so i dont have a wireless card? |
| 17:31.01 | jelly | dpcmain: I have no idea. Have you tried it at all? |
| 17:31.06 | geo2` | but eeepc 900 have a wirelesscard i think |
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| 17:31.18 | babilen | geo2`: Could you paste the complete output of "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:31.20 | jelly | dpcmain: I try to stay away from ATI on Linux. |
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| 17:31.32 | geo2` | babilen: ok' |
| 17:31.49 | dpcmain | jelly: ...I only know when a OS installed, the first thing is to install driver |
| 17:31.59 | babilen | geo2`: It might also make sense to upgrade your system to squeeze (or install squeeze in the first place) given that lenny will only receive security support for a few months |
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| 17:32.24 | dpcmain | jelly: if don't install driver, the OS performance will be very bad |
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| 17:32.46 | jelly | dpcmain: have you tried the free driver at all? |
| 17:32.47 | dpcmain | jelly: linux need to install driver as windows? |
| 17:33.14 | babilen | dpcmain: You have a driver that is working fine already -- If you want hardware 3d acceleration install libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree ... If you want to use the proprietary fglrx driver do what we've told you a couple of times already. That's it. Flash might or might now benefit from that. (I would rather expect not) |
| 17:33.44 | babilen | dpcmain: No, you typically don't need to install any drivers. |
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| 17:35.04 | jelly | babilen: flash checks for specific whitelisted drivers and I think some OpenGL extensions before enabling GPU acceleration |
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| 17:36.40 | dpcmain | babilen jelly arghx : thank you very much :-) I will not install ATI driver now :-) |
| 17:37.10 | cj101 | hi everyone, i just used live-magic to create a small live image. but what does it set the root password to? cause i cant su to root when i boot on it now. |
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| 17:38.26 | dpcmain | babilen jelly arghx : gnome3 on wheezy is so beatutiful :-) thanks to free & open software. |
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| 17:38.53 | yagoo | hi |
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| 17:39.36 | mer_ge_ | gnome3 is really beautiful! was such a pleasent surprise today! everything just worked. |
| 17:40.38 | dpcmain | can I use gnome-devel to install all develop environment on debian? |
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| 17:41.02 | dpcmain | apt-get install gnome-devel |
| 17:41.35 | babilen | dpcmain: What do you want to develop? |
| 17:41.53 | dpcmain | babilen: gtk+ c/C++ python perl .... |
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| 17:43.29 | babilen | dpcmain: Well, you want build-essential and python then. If you want to use anjuta, gnome-devel would be a good choice. If not I would recommend gnome-platform-devel |
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| 17:44.13 | dpcmain | babilen: yes, gnome-platform-devel is my need |
| 17:44.28 | dpcmain | babilen: I don't use anjuta, I use vim or emacs |
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| 17:45.32 | geo2` | Hi.http://paste.debian.net/144201 this's my lspci nd lsusb |
| 17:45.35 | david123 | Hi all, I'm having a problem with the Transmission watch directory for torrents. I tried asking in the #transmission channel, but no-one replied. Can anyone here lend a hand? |
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| 17:46.03 | geo2` | So.I dont have a wirelesscard? |
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| 17:46.49 | GRMrGecko | Hello… I have a problem with my server where it's responding to requests on eth1 to eth0 |
| 17:46.56 | GRMrGecko | and from eth0 to eth1 |
| 17:47.01 | GRMrGecko | how can I fix this? |
| 17:47.27 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: by fixing your routing table |
| 17:47.40 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: How might I do this? |
| 17:48.01 | arghx | GRMrGecko: is it maybe disabled in BIOS? |
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| 17:48.09 | valdyn | arghx: are you serious? |
| 17:48.14 | kleanchap | What media player are available on Debian, other than totem and VLC? |
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| 17:48.33 | robokop | kleanchap: mplayer, ffmpeg |
| 17:48.47 | geo2` | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 17:48.49 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/QbgbrYjn |
| 17:48.58 | kleanchap | robokop, Thnx |
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| 17:49.08 | arghx | valdyn: no I am not. was for geo2` |
| 17:49.20 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: the asterisks are by you? |
| 17:49.24 | arghx | geo2`: is your Wlan maybe disabled in BIOS? are you totally sure you have a E900? |
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| 17:49.38 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: * i mean |
| 17:49.55 | arghx | geo2`: I don't know of any eee pc without wlan |
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| 17:50.21 | valdyn | Gm4n: look at destination columen, theres TWO 0.0.0.0 entries. *Both* match the same packets. That makes no sense at all |
| 17:50.39 | geo2` | arghx: well in the back ofthis small white pc written EEE pC 900 |
| 17:50.41 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: asterisks? |
| 17:50.45 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: * |
| 17:50.48 | GRMrGecko | yeah |
| 17:50.54 | GRMrGecko | hiding the IP address |
| 17:51.10 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: look at destination columen, theres TWO 0.0.0.0 entries. *Both* match the same packets. That makes no sense at all |
| 17:51.11 | GRMrGecko | both come from the same netmask |
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| 17:51.27 | geo2` | arghx: I am 99% usre it's a EEE pc 900 |
| 17:51.54 | GRMrGecko | example *.*.*.124 is eht0 *.*.*.123 eth1 |
| 17:51.56 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: the way a package goes is by the destination column. Having 2 Paths for the same packets is broken |
| 17:52.22 | GRMrGecko | however eth0 is behind a router |
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| 17:53.42 | geo2` | I've opened this box .unpack keyboard,bottom cap..etc then put them back |
| 17:53.45 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: in fact the behaviour is probably undefined in the specs or random or different from kernel to kernel. You must not have 2 default routes |
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| 17:54.11 | geo2` | myabe I 've done some damage to it? |
| 17:54.17 | arghx | geo2`: then maybe you didn't put it properly back together |
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| 17:54.30 | geo2` | arghx: well |
| 17:54.35 | geo2` | that's bad |
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| 17:54.46 | arghx | geo2`: debian should have detected and used your wlan atheros chip automatically with ath5k |
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| 17:58.25 | geo2` | arghx: you suggest any usb wireless for me?If I should broke it? |
| 17:58.47 | geo2` | I think my usb port is good |
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| 18:00.23 | jhutchins_lt | !tell geo2` about eeepc |
| 18:00.46 | arghx | geo2`: is it a pci-e half size card? |
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| 18:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | geo2`: possibly you could restore windows or try a live USB image to see if the card still works. Does it show up at all in dmesg? |
| 18:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | !cn |
| 18:01.38 | dpkg | For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿渡æå¼å§ï¼详æ请é读 |
| 18:01.43 | billdollar | how do I apply a wrapper in debian? |
| 18:02.31 | valdyn | billdollar: what is it that you call "wrapper" ? |
| 18:02.52 | geo2` | arghx: I dont remember i broke any thing.. |
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| 18:03.08 | jhine | I've just installed debian (no gui) i'm at the login screen, i'm wondering if I can change the font size? It's quite big but I'm doubting this is done in the OS? |
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| 18:03.14 | geo2` | jhutchins_lt: how to grep the messgage indmesg |
| 18:03.34 | jhutchins_lt | geo2`: dmessg | less, dmesg | grep |
| 18:03.46 | anoob | i've tried to apply a patch in a debian package, and then i have a new number in version (before 3.1.1, now 3.1.1.1, for example) ... now i can't install to test it because i troubles with dependencies ... http://pastebin.com/pX1nvT1M |
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| 18:04.09 | jeward | Can anyone tell me how to downgrade bind9 from squeeze to lenny? |
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| 18:04.50 | geo2` | jhutchins_lt: dmesg|grep -i ath |
| 18:05.09 | geo2` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.09 | geo2` | [ 8.576379] Copyright (c) 2007 Atheros Corporation. |
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| 18:05.54 | GRMrGecko | Can someone who knows the networking of debian contact me? I have a very weird issue I need worked out |
| 18:05.58 | geo2` | does this card exsit or not? |
| 18:06.12 | acemi | jhutchins_lt: GRUB_GFXMODE line in /etc/default/grub |
| 18:06.28 | acemi | jhine: GRUB_GFXMODE line in /etc/default/grub |
| 18:06.38 | GRMrGecko | If I were to explain, it may be considered as flooding |
| 18:07.16 | arghx | !paste |
| 18:07.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 18:07.37 | GRMrGecko | How can I get in contact with someone who is an expert with networks |
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| 18:07.58 | jhine | acemi: can I 'refresh' or do I require a restart after changing the GFXMODE? |
| 18:08.15 | geo2` | 2 lines are accepaale |
| 18:08.19 | jordanm | GRMrGecko: ##networking |
| 18:08.38 | GRMrGecko | jordanm: Are they experts with debian? |
| 18:08.43 | GRMrGecko | this seems to be a debian issue |
| 18:08.55 | jordanm | !asj |
| 18:08.55 | dpkg | methinks asj is boren's alter ego |
| 18:08.59 | jordanm | !ask |
| 18:08.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:09.41 | GRMrGecko | I'll write out login explaination in pastebin |
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| 18:09.46 | GRMrGecko | long* |
| 18:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: Give us a succinct summary of the problem here. |
| 18:10.07 | acemi | jhine: in my config, I added GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 in /etc/default/grub and set gfxmode=${GRUB_GFXMODE} and set gfxpayload=keep in /etc/grub.d/00_header, finally update-grub command and reboot |
| 18:10.14 | GRMrGecko | jhutchins_lt: It's too long |
| 18:10.18 | GRMrGecko | basically |
| 18:10.30 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: Make a short summary. You've already wasted a lot of lines asking to ask. |
| 18:10.30 | GRMrGecko | I have 5 IP addresses not used |
| 18:10.36 | GRMrGecko | I need 1 of them |
| 18:10.48 | GRMrGecko | there is one in use by the router |
| 18:11.07 | GRMrGecko | and the router port forwards to the server |
| 18:11.16 | GRMrGecko | when you connect to the public IP I assigned |
| 18:11.19 | jordanm | !enter |
| 18:11.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:11.32 | GRMrGecko | jordanm: see? |
| 18:11.44 | GRMrGecko | it routs back through the router |
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| 18:12.06 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: why dont you start by telling us what you are trying to achieve |
| 18:12.10 | arghx | GRMrGecko: yes cause you needlessley pressed enter |
| 18:12.25 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: all you showed us so far is a broken routing table |
| 18:12.31 | GRMrGecko | let me write it all out on pastebin |
| 18:12.36 | GRMrGecko | as a paper with all points |
| 18:12.46 | batouzo | is memory deduplication working well on debian stable? |
| 18:12.53 | pizza_biz | GRMrGecko: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? based on what you said earlier, i suspect you've got something very wrong there. |
| 18:13.05 | valdyn | batouzo: where is that supported in debian/stable ? |
| 18:13.11 | pizza_biz | (provide that in the pastebin as well.) |
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| 18:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: It's not that your explanation is too long, it's that you're breaking it up with the enter key instead of writing it out clearly with punctuation. |
| 18:13.56 | batouzo | valdyn: dunno, that is my question... It seems to work in-kernel since 2.6.32 (so - stable debian) |
| 18:14.13 | valdyn | batouzo: i dont think so |
| 18:14.24 | winnie | i just installed awesome window manager, now i want to change gtk theme. i found this http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/gtk/ but dont know if its still up to date. where to put gtk themes and how to activate them? |
| 18:14.33 | batouzo | batouzo: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32#head-d3f32e41df508090810388a57efce73f52660ccb ? |
| 18:14.36 | batouzo | valdyn: ^ |
| 18:14.36 | jordanm | batouzo: the linux kernel avoids duplication using copy-on-write |
| 18:14.44 | jelly-home | jordanm: COW |
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| 18:15.01 | GRMrGecko | jhutchins_lt: Easier for me to write clearly in a area where I am not feeling like chat. |
| 18:15.12 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: You can either configure your router properly to pass traffic through to the public servers inside your LAN, or you can do what most people do and use IP NAT/Masquerading and have a private address range on the LAN and forward ports on the publicly addressed router to servers within the private LAN. |
| 18:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: Did you see how I did that without pressing the Enter key once? |
| 18:15.43 | boudiccas | winnie; you havent told us what this 'awesome window manager' is |
| 18:15.51 | GRMrGecko | jhutchins_lt: I have a metal problem… Sorry. |
| 18:15.56 | valdyn | batouzo: yes, i see, i have not tried it |
| 18:15.58 | GRMrGecko | mental* |
| 18:16.32 | jordanm | boudiccas: "awesome window manager" is the name of the WM |
| 18:16.43 | jhine | acemi: I looked in /etc/grub.d/00_header and found "if ["x${GRUB_GFXMODE}" = "x" ] ; then GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 ; fi" - is that what i'm editing? :s |
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| 18:17.07 | arghx | jhine: no. /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:17.22 | jhutchins_lt | This is why engineers need Liberal Arts degrees. |
| 18:17.42 | batouzo | in qemu, how to switch into VT-2 (like alt+ctrl+F2 but send it to the guest (Im running qemu inside X now) |
| 18:17.47 | valdyn | batouzo: i have no idea which or if any program supports madvise |
| 18:17.53 | jhine | arghx: I've changed the GRUB_GFXMODE=1280X1024 but that didn't make a difference. |
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| 18:18.11 | jhine | it did when boot manager loaded but after that it went back to the original size |
| 18:18.22 | acemi | jhine: in my file, this two lines are at 127-128 after "if loadfont `make_system_path_relative_to_its_root..." |
| 18:18.23 | valdyn | batouzo: so that might be kvm only or probably likely some more vms |
| 18:18.57 | batouzo | valdyn: I mostly to want to deduplicate between KVM/qemu instance |
| 18:19.08 | batouzo | but overall all-ram dedup would also be cool |
| 18:19.24 | valdyn | batouzo: thats not what it is though |
| 18:19.41 | ner0x | How can I give access to a command to a specific user. |
| 18:19.45 | ner0x | faxstat, for example. |
| 18:19.53 | jhutchins_lt | GRMrGecko: If you're going to use actual public IP addresses behind the router you need a router that supports that, and a home-grade netgear probably won't. |
| 18:20.15 | jhutchins_lt | ner0x: Why would you want someone to NOT be able to run faxstat? |
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| 18:20.29 | GRMrGecko | jhutchins_lt: Just wait for me to write out what I need and how I'm currently configured. |
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| 18:20.38 | GRMrGecko | and what the results are with my current configuration |
| 18:21.01 | ner0x | jhutchins_lt: I want everyone too, it's restricted by default. |
| 18:21.19 | jhutchins_lt | ner0x: Funny, it's not on my hylafax server running Lenny. |
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| 18:21.43 | geo2` | hi.maybe it was stupid me disable it in BIOS |
| 18:21.45 | geo2` | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 18:21.49 | geo2` | thanks |
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| 18:22.10 | jhutchins_lt | geo2`: Sometimes linux can see through the BIOS, but other times it can't. |
| 18:22.16 | arghx | geo2`: supported out of the box. |
| 18:22.30 | jhutchins_lt | ner0x: What release are you running? |
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| 18:23.21 | ner0x | jhutchins_lt: 2.6.0 it looks |
| 18:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | ner0x: Which Debian release? |
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| 18:24.21 | ner0x | stable? |
| 18:24.23 | ner0x | I assume. |
| 18:24.24 | winnie | boudiccas, its just a window manager, so i dont think its very important. i would just like to know where to store gtk themes and how to activate one :) |
| 18:24.47 | acemi | jhine: http://paste.debian.net/144211/ |
| 18:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | ner0x: What does uname -r say? |
| 18:24.59 | arghx | ner0x: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 18:25.29 | ner0x | I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 18:26.09 | ner0x | Wait, I'm wondering if this is ubuntu. :-/ Either rate, I'll be switching it to debian if it is. |
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| 18:26.24 | aidalgol | I'm stuck with a broken package because the post-removal script always fails. What do I do? |
| 18:26.24 | arghx | no it's debian. at least a debian kernel |
| 18:26.51 | ner0x | Ubuntu might have stolen the kernel. |
| 18:27.11 | arnoldB | Where is the nf_conntrack proc file under squeeze? Known from: lenny: /proc/net/nf_conntrack |
| 18:27.32 | jordanm | aidalgol: paste your command and output |
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| 18:30.03 | ner0x | jhutchins_lt: So, any ideas how to free up the command? |
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| 18:31.40 | aidalgol | http://paste.debian.net/144215/ |
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| 18:33.49 | jordanm | aidalgol: that's not a package that is in debian |
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| 18:35.31 | jhine | acemi: thanks for great help! :) |
| 18:35.36 | arghx | aidalgol: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/binding-of-isaac.postrm accordingly. if you do a "exit 0" it will exit cleanly but check first what it actually does or tries to do |
| 18:35.45 | jordanm | aidalgol: > /var/lib/dpkg/info/binding-of-isaac.postrm will get it uninstalled, but you may want to check the script first to make sure it isn't doing other things that need to be done on removal |
| 18:35.54 | acemi | jhine: np |
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| 18:37.00 | jordanm | arghx: exit 0 actually isn't needed. the exec() family actually returns 0 when executing a file with no contents |
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| 18:37.27 | tdn | Which tool should I use to strip all metadata from images? (primarily jpeg) |
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| 18:38.25 | qubits | i want to encrypt my filesystem now but i dont have an independent boot part. I'm on Debian Lucid I think |
| 18:38.44 | boudiccas | qubits; lucid is ubuntu |
| 18:38.53 | qubits | Yes, lucid. |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | qubits: then you'll want to use #ubuntu, not #debian |
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| 18:39.14 | boudiccas | qubits; okay, we cant support you as we dont support ubuntu, sorry |
| 18:40.05 | jhine | how do i view my local ip address? |
| 18:40.15 | pizza_biz | tdn: passing it through convert (from imagemagick) might do that. |
| 18:40.33 | jhine | o its ifconfig |
| 18:40.45 | batouzo | how to lock screen in debian... where did xlock go?! can't find it with apt-file wtf.. |
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| 18:40.57 | batouzo | (in minimalist setup, no gnome etc) |
| 18:41.00 | qubits | abrotman: it's backtrack so it's a bit of both |
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| 18:41.19 | aidalgol | jordanm: Thanks! All the the script did was rnn `xdg-desktop-menu forceupdate', but without handling the case of that program not being installed. |
| 18:41.34 | Maxztt | with the latest 6.0.3 installer, I can't find any task selection. It's always installing at least the desktop task, I did not check whether its even more. I can't find an options for selecting or deselecting anything related to packages. Will deselecting tasks work with using preseeds if I can't find the options in the text and graphical installer. Am I overlooking something? |
| 18:43.25 | batouzo | guys? |
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| 18:43.44 | batouzo | debian sqeeze does not seem to have xlock (xlockmore) package? what replaces it? |
| 18:44.15 | valdyn | !why is xlockmore not in squeeze |
| 18:44.16 | dpkg | valdyn: what are you talking about? |
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| 18:44.23 | valdyn | !why is xlockmore not in testing |
| 18:44.23 | dpkg | xlockmore is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xlockmore |
| 18:44.26 | valdyn | batouzo: ^^ |
| 18:45.16 | abrotman | batouzo: in which WM ? |
| 18:45.30 | en1gma | im running hostapd and (almost everything) is working great...im wanting to test my wireless perf with "iperf" so i start the server on my phone and the client in debian 6...prob is it says network not reachable...so i did some testing and the phone can not ping and machines on same lan but can ping external network fine |
| 18:46.06 | en1gma | hostapd is bridging wlan0 with eth0 (eth0 = onboard nic) and wlan0 (is wifi usb stick in Master mode) |
| 18:46.11 | GRMrGecko | ok… Here is what I was trying to explain now that I thought it out and mapped it. |
| 18:46.12 | GRMrGecko | http://pastebin.com/ciFU2sQ7 |
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| 18:46.51 | batouzo | abrotman: Im just using startx that executes openbox |
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| 18:47.57 | jordanm | aidalgol: the package should have depended on whatever provided that command |
| 18:48.19 | tdn | pizza_biz, ok. |
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| 18:48.44 | tdn | pizza_biz, I found a tool that would do it in-place: jhead: jhead -purejpg <filename> will do it. |
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| 18:49.12 | nullbrooch | boa tarde pessoal.. rs |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | batouzo: you may have to create your own shortuct that calls xscreensaver with the lock option ? |
| 18:49.18 | abrotman | nullbrooch: english please |
| 18:49.19 | PITITI | !LIST |
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| 18:49.19 | dpkg | pititi: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:50.32 | en1gma | can anyone tell me a command to run to see why my phone can not ping any computers on the lan and the lan computers can not ping the phone but the phone has no problem with external net |
| 18:50.39 | en1gma | and net has no problem with phone |
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| 18:50.57 | abrotman | what OS is on your phone? |
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| 18:51.21 | en1gma | android |
| 18:51.40 | en1gma | debian is the app controlling hostapd |
| 18:51.50 | en1gma | rather OS not app |
| 18:52.22 | mguy | en1gma: some AP's don't link the wifi and LAN networks |
| 18:52.32 | pizza_biz | GRMrGecko: wait, so you have one interface NATed, and one with a WAN IP, on the same subnet? |
| 18:52.41 | mguy | Compare the IP addresses and see what your firewall rules and routes look like |
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| 18:52.55 | GRMrGecko | pizza_biz: I think that is it |
| 18:52.55 | en1gma | when i wasnt in bridged mode i didnt have this problem...the hostapd was on a diff subnet |
| 18:53.42 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: your routing table is still broken |
| 18:53.55 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: How do I fix it? |
| 18:54.04 | pizza_biz | you have gateways specified on both interfaces, hence the two default gateways showing in the routing table. |
| 18:54.11 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: decide on one default route and remove the other |
| 18:54.39 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: you cant have 2 gateway entries in /etc/network/interfaces and expect that to work |
| 18:55.16 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: So your saying I cannot have both a private and a public IP on the same server? |
| 18:55.30 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: that is not at all what i said |
| 18:55.47 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: i said "you cant have 2 default routes" |
| 18:56.12 | GRMrGecko | default routes? |
| 18:56.15 | GRMrGecko | as in gateways? |
| 18:56.49 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: no, the gateway entry specifies a default gateway, such a default gateway is a special type of the more geneeric term default route |
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| 18:58.11 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: Can you give me an exaple of how I should configure the interfaces then? |
| 18:58.23 | GRMrGecko | because I don't exactly understand. |
| 18:58.30 | GRMrGecko | (I'm new to the word default route) |
| 18:58.37 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: remove one of both gateway entries |
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| 18:59.25 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: so if I were to remove the gateway for *.121, it will work? |
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| 18:59.38 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: "it", i cant know |
| 18:59.58 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: The IP *.123 |
| 19:00.07 | GRMrGecko | will that IP work even if I remove the gateway |
| 19:00.10 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: its not possible for me to know if your specified remaining gateway will do what you are asking it to do by sending packets to it |
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| 19:01.12 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: thats equallay hard to tell from here with the (lacking) information im seeing because routing to you depends in the far end too |
| 19:01.27 | GRMrGecko | the gateway basically receives packets and forwards them onward. I understand that. So if I were to send my packets to 192.168.67.1, would it forward it correctly? |
| 19:01.52 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: how would i know that 192.168.67.1 would do the right thing? |
| 19:02.10 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: Don't know. |
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| 19:02.30 | GRMrGecko | I know I need to be able to send local IP packets |
| 19:02.30 | GRMrGecko | why I picked 192.168.67.1 |
| 19:02.49 | GRMrGecko | as it knows of all the addresses within our network |
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| 19:03.16 | GRMrGecko | but from my understanding. Your saying to remove one gateway |
| 19:03.16 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: does it know your *.*.*.* addresses though? |
| 19:03.20 | pizza_biz | LAN traffic doesn't need a gateway so long as it's the same subnet. |
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| 19:03.42 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: Am not sure. |
| 19:03.42 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: sure i told you that, multiple times, explicitely, i dont know how to make that any clearer |
| 19:04.07 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: tcp ip isnt hard to learn, but you sure seem to need to learn it first |
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| 19:04.49 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: The router is connected to *.121, so I would assume it'll know of it. |
| 19:05.06 | GRMrGecko | If not, I may be able to add a static route |
| 19:05.11 | GRMrGecko | correct? |
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| 19:05.21 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: i cant say |
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| 19:05.32 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: i dont know your network at all, i only see one host |
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| 19:06.53 | GRMrGecko | I'll give it a try and see what happens. |
| 19:07.06 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: I think you need to get someone on site or draw your physical network topology with ips and cables and switches and routers |
| 19:07.26 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: I had someone onsite |
| 19:07.35 | GRMrGecko | However, he seems to know less than me. |
| 19:07.37 | aidalgol | Ugh, The Binding of Isaac is really inefficient. It gets bogged down with not many sprites, and it's not even doing anything fancy. |
| 19:07.37 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: and? |
| 19:07.44 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: ok, thats not promising |
| 19:07.54 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: your problem is not a hard networking problem |
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| 19:08.30 | GRMrGecko | he says… it should route properly if it's not a different nic |
| 19:08.31 | GRMrGecko | it is |
| 19:08.36 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: but the problem is -> i dont know it, i only see that you have about no knowledge about how the ip protocol works ( no offense ) |
| 19:08.37 | GRMrGecko | so he doesn't understand why |
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| 19:09.29 | GRMrGecko | does not work |
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| 19:11.56 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: you are using your public ip *.*.*.121 as a gateway. The consequence is that the internet router "on the other side", needs to *know* that its a router and use it as a gateway for your other ips "behind" it, like appearantly *.*.*.123 |
| 19:12.20 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: i very much doubt that that is the case |
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| 19:12.53 | ronny | anyone aware of a offline tranlsation dictionary tool? |
| 19:13.07 | GRMrGecko | It may end up being I move the server to all public IP addresses and not forward ports to it |
| 19:13.15 | GRMrGecko | because it seems to work with local IP addresses |
| 19:13.26 | GRMrGecko | however... |
| 19:13.35 | GRMrGecko | I forgot it doesn't work from ouside |
| 19:13.45 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: sure, for local you use masquerading, that fixes that, but that doesnt fix routing to public ips |
| 19:13.46 | GRMrGecko | as it responds from .124 |
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| 19:15.13 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: If this is a simple networking problem, why don't you know how to explain it to me? |
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| 19:15.24 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: i just did |
| 19:15.30 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: i dont know why you dont get it |
| 19:16.03 | GRMrGecko | because your using terms I never heard? |
| 19:16.13 | blubberdiblub | ronny, you can use dict + dictd + dictd-dictionaries. it requires to run the dictionary server on your machine, but it serves the words from local files then if set up this way. what languages do you need to translate? |
| 19:16.22 | abrotman | ronny: dictionary .. a book |
| 19:16.44 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: like a said, its not a hard networking problem, but if you dont know your networking protocol, then thats still hard |
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| 19:17.31 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: networking protocol? |
| 19:17.49 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: are you asking me what a networking protocol is? |
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| 19:18.11 | GRMrGecko | no, I'm asking google. |
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| 19:18.57 | valdyn | you got to be kidding me |
| 19:19.35 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: I understand a lot about networking. But not everything. I understand how tcp works, how udp works, how icmp works. |
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| 19:19.48 | GRMrGecko | However how routers route is totally something I don't know. |
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| 19:20.14 | valdyn | GRMrGecko: this is about ip, not tcp, not udp, not icmp |
| 19:20.20 | DammitJim | what command can I use to suspend my machine? |
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| 19:20.54 | GRMrGecko | DammitJim: shutdown should have an option. Try shutdown --help to see what it is |
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| 19:21.30 | GRMrGecko | maybe not. |
| 19:21.35 | DammitJim | nah... |
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| 19:21.46 | DammitJim | I think there is some kind of acpi suspend |
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| 19:22.49 | valdyn | DammitJim: look at the pm-utils package and the 3 commands in it |
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| 19:23.19 | valdyn | DammitJim: or your favourite desktop environment also might have its own gui and tools |
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| 19:23.32 | DammitJim | e17 needs to be configured for it |
| 19:23.36 | DammitJim | that's what I'm trying to do |
| 19:23.37 | DammitJim | :D |
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| 19:25.00 | GRMrGecko | valdyn: I'm still thinking it through, however it seems complicated still… The router sets the source port of packets sent to it from the internal network to it's wan IP. Which is probably why it's responding as .123. |
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| 19:25.04 | GRMrGecko | .124* |
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| 19:25.37 | GRMrGecko | but how we get it to respond as .123, I do not know. |
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| 19:26.13 | pbase | I can't see the administration/Configuration menu option under system menu. I just did a security update |
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| 19:26.42 | GRMrGecko | I don't want to try anything else now as I don't want to bring people down. |
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| 19:27.13 | GRMrGecko | however, if you can ask me questions as to how I'm configured. I could provide answers. |
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| 19:28.06 | GRMrGecko | and then if you can tell me how it should be configured |
| 19:28.10 | GRMrGecko | I can try that out |
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| 19:31.09 | GRMrGecko | seems like I'm being ignored now. |
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| 19:43.03 | pizza_biz | GRMrGecko: quick fix i'd suggest: remove the gateway statement from eth0, and add a post-up route add ... for local networks other than 192.168.67.0/24, let eth1 handle all the WAN traffic. |
| 19:44.02 | GRMrGecko | pizza_biz: How might I add a route for the lan network? |
| 19:44.15 | GRMrGecko | sounds like a solution to me |
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| 19:44.29 | pizza_biz | if 192.168.67.0/24 is your only LAN subnet, then you don't even need a gateway clause on that interface. |
| 19:44.33 | GRMrGecko | (cannot do it now, but when none is here. I will play around) |
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| 19:45.00 | deed02392 | i've just downloaded jdk for linux and of course it works but only when i point to the binary file directly in the extracted directory |
| 19:45.01 | GRMrGecko | pizza_biz: Really? So it'll route ok if I remove it? |
| 19:45.07 | deed02392 | how can I make it so 'java' in bash loads it? |
| 19:45.33 | GRMrGecko | I'll try when none is here as I don't want to bring them down anymore with me playing around with the toys |
| 19:45.42 | jordanm | deed02392: install debian's package java, preferably openjdk |
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| 19:46.34 | deed02392 | jordanm, openjdk-6-jdk? |
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| 19:47.03 | jordanm | deed02392: yes, and probably jre if you need that as well |
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| 19:48.37 | deed02392 | oh ok, i thought jdk came with jre |
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| 19:48.50 | deed02392 | isn't there a package for 7? |
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| 19:49.10 | pizza_biz | GRMrGecko: if there's only one LAN subnet, traffic on eth0 doesn't need a gateway. routes are just there to tell the system where to direct non-local traffic. (probably a highly simplistic explanation.) |
| 19:49.42 | winnie | did gnome-volume-manager change the name? cant find it |
| 19:50.19 | GRMrGecko | pizza_biz: That makes sense, thanks. |
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| 19:50.37 | GRMrGecko | maybe I'll play with my ubuntu machine to see if it works out. |
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| 19:53.44 | ElDiabolo_ | Wah, just installed wheezy and it comes with a new gnome desktop. Hope things return to normal when I untar my old home dir :( |
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| 19:58.06 | kingsley | Is there a package that searches the hexadecimal IP4 and IP6 address spaces for English words? For example, it might find strings like BAD.CAB.FAB.DAD. |
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| 20:04.23 | jelly-home | kingsley: that's not either a valid 'v6 or 'v6 address! |
| 20:04.33 | jelly-home | v4 or v6 |
| 20:04.45 | kingsley | jelly: Yes, I agree. |
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| 20:06.00 | jelly-home | fe80::deba:5ed:d00d:5 might be |
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| 20:09.36 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:09.43 | Posterdati | is there any command to clear /tmp ? |
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| 20:12.07 | chickenz | Posterdati: I assume you could just rm/rm -rf (rm -rf for directories too) inside the /tmp directory. |
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| 20:12.25 | Posterdati | chickenz: wha about /etc/init.d/bootclean ??? |
| 20:12.41 | rly | jelly-home: what's the ::? |
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| 20:13.42 | rly | ULA |
| 20:13.48 | jelly-home | rly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address#Presentation |
| 20:14.02 | rly | jelly-home: yeah, I already found it as seen above. |
| 20:14.10 | Pobega | Hey, can anyone link me to documentation about how installing Debian from inside of Windows (using the setup.exe on the ISO) works? I can't find any information on it, and I'd like to read up on it before I do anything permanent. |
| 20:14.11 | jelly-home | !wtf ula |
| 20:14.13 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ula means... |
| 20:14.22 | rly | jelly-home: Unique Local Address. |
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| 20:14.26 | jelly-home | rly: I don't know what ULA means, either |
| 20:14.33 | winnie | my debian right now didnt boot. krealloc.. where can i found the logfile to look whats wrong? |
| 20:16.04 | Dagger3 | ULA is mostly the IPv6 equivalent of IPv4's RFC1918 addresses |
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| 20:17.07 | abrotman | Posterdati: run the init script that clears it ? |
| 20:17.15 | wart___ | hmm. so what might i be missing if ifup tiwlan0 works once the device is booted but it doesn't automatically come up? presumably something in /etc/rc2.d/* |
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| 20:17.50 | Posterdati | abrotman: I googled on that and I found a /etc/init.d/bootclean, on my system there's not such file |
| 20:17.51 | Dagger3 | (except ULA ranges are supposed to be globally unique, so you don't get address clashes when merging networks, and the lack of NAT means you can't use them for global connectivity) |
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| 20:19.08 | Pobega | Oh, I'm trying to install Debian (amd64) on an i3 processor and the installer claims that it can't find a kernel for it; is this a known issue? I'm not sure how to work around it |
| 20:20.51 | somiaj | what install media are you using? |
| 20:20.55 | somiaj | Pobega: ^^ |
| 20:21.08 | Pobega | somiaj: USB stick (unetbootin burn of the ISO), uh, the standard CD iso. |
| 20:21.12 | Pobega | Not netinstall or anything funky |
| 20:21.32 | jelly-home | Pobega: why not the supported way of doing the usb install? |
| 20:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | Pobega: amd64 is correct for i3. |
| 20:21.44 | Pobega | jelly-home: there's a supported way now? |
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| 20:21.51 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 20:21.51 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 20:21.52 | Pobega | I've been out of the loop for ~6 months |
| 20:22.22 | abrotman | Pobega: unetbootin is the wrong way |
| 20:22.23 | jelly-home | Pobega: there's been one since lenny, and the images are hybrid, dumpable directly to stick, since squeeze |
| 20:22.41 | Pobega | jelly-home: Yeah, I remember reading about it but it wasn't fully complete at the time |
| 20:22.49 | Pobega | abrotman: yeah, I realize that, but 99% of the time it gets the job done. |
| 20:23.05 | jelly-home | you are now the 1% |
| 20:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | I was not successful using the hybrid image on late pre-release squeeze, I ended up doing unetbootin (from linux). |
| 20:23.28 | Pobega | the issue is that I'm on Windows; is there a way to do it without zcat and such? |
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| 20:23.35 | jhutchins_lt | That said, there are a number of ways to get unetbootin wrong. |
| 20:23.59 | wart___ | i have /etc/network/interfaces setup and as far as i know that's all i need to do? http://sprunge.us/bKIU |
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| 20:24.02 | abrotman | Posterdati: bootmisc.sh |
| 20:24.10 | DJ_UNA | Im trying to install openjdk-6-jdk with aptitude, but i cant find the package - how do i find which one to add in sources.list? |
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| 20:24.56 | jelly-home | ,versions openjdk-6-jdk |
| 20:24.56 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jdk on i386 -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~lenny1; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.9-0.1~squeeze1; sid: 6b23~pre11-1; wheezy: 6b23~pre11-1 |
| 20:25.27 | Posterdati | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 20:25.35 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, please |
| 20:25.42 | abrotman | Posterdati: might want to see what else it does also |
| 20:25.46 | jordanm | !qotd0 |
| 20:25.46 | dpkg | <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 20:25.48 | babilen | Pobega: Just use the image writer that was linked in dpkg's factoid earlier. I heard that you have to rename the .iso to .img as Windows/that tool seems to take file extensions a bit too serious. |
| 20:25.57 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: which debian release are you using? |
| 20:26.06 | Posterdati | abrotman: ? |
| 20:26.09 | DJ_UNA | jelly lenny, one moment |
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| 20:26.21 | Posterdati | abrotman: it could do other things tpp |
| 20:26.23 | Posterdati | abrotman: it could do other things too |
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| 20:26.47 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/8YFwEAW9 |
| 20:26.51 | HK44 | Hi there |
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| 20:27.13 | HK44 | I spent the bette part of the day trying to get my Deb603 into my wireless LAN |
| 20:27.19 | HK44 | WPA |
| 20:27.32 | HK44 | tried more or less everything Google has to offer |
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| 20:27.36 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: do an apt-get update. Does "apt-cache policy openjdk-6-jdk" show any versions available after that? |
| 20:27.37 | HK44 | but no luck |
| 20:28.13 | HK44 | can somebody point me to a surefire HOWTO or something? |
| 20:28.21 | abrotman | start with your device |
| 20:28.29 | babilen | HK44: Which wireless adaptor are we talking about here? (PCIID?) What seems to be the problem? |
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| 20:28.39 | HK44 | old Acer laptop, Intel 2200 interface |
| 20:29.04 | HK44 | I was prompted to install the FW at install time |
| 20:29.06 | HK44 | done |
| 20:29.16 | HK44 | I installed wpasupplicant |
| 20:29.21 | HK44 | Network manager |
| 20:29.40 | abrotman | which firmware did you install ? |
| 20:29.41 | HK44 | incl applet (though I don't kow how to get it into the panel) |
| 20:29.49 | babilen | Ok, that shouldn't be too cumbersome. You need firmware from the firmware-ipw2x00 package. |
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| 20:29.57 | HK44 | that I got |
| 20:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | !wifi |
| 20:30.07 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:30.10 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/gdw6CNU1 |
| 20:30.54 | babilen | HK44: Ok, what is the problem? |
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| 20:30.56 | abrotman | HK44: did you try it without WPA/WEP ? |
| 20:30.57 | HK44 | it's def Intel 2200 |
| 20:31.14 | HK44 | no, didn't want to screw up the WLAN as others are working on it |
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| 20:31.44 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: right. So try installing now. |
| 20:31.45 | HK44 | in iwconfig I see the interface |
| 20:31.54 | jhutchins_lt | HK44: So what's the question? If you don't mess with the AP there's very little chance you'll bother anybody. |
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| 20:32.11 | babilen | HK44: Does it have wireless extentions? Can you scan with "iwlist wlan0 scan" ? |
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| 20:32.24 | HK44 | I don't want to mess with the AP :) |
| 20:32.34 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/XKfHjkhE |
| 20:32.34 | jhutchins_lt | HK44: So don't. |
| 20:32.38 | babilen | HK44: But what is the actual problem? So far you just told us what you've done. I don't see a problem ;) |
| 20:32.45 | HK44 | I just want to get the laptop connected |
| 20:32.52 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: hm! |
| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | ,versions libxt-dev |
| 20:32.58 | judd | Package: libxt-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.5-3; squeeze: 1:1.0.7-1; sid: 1:1.1.1-2; wheezy: 1:1.1.1-2 |
| 20:33.05 | HK44 | the problem is, I can only get out using wired |
| 20:33.07 | amouge | anyone have a n00b guide to setting up dns for hosting nameservers on debian? |
| 20:33.13 | jhutchins_lt | HK44: Is this laptop going to travel, or is it always going to be on the same network? |
| 20:33.21 | HK44 | always @ home |
| 20:33.23 | HK44 | same network |
| 20:33.28 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: try aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk, instead |
| 20:33.49 | HK44 | let me guess, you're going to say "screw wireless"? |
| 20:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | HK44: You probably don't need network-manager then, configure it in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 20:33.54 | HK44 | :) |
| 20:33.55 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: if you have no aptitude, install that, first |
| 20:33.57 | babilen | HK44: Why? Can you scan for networks with "iwlist wlan0 scan" ? Can you use network-manager to connect? You mentioned that you don't know how to start the applet .. That would be done with "nm-applet" |
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| 20:34.13 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home i do :P http://pastebin.com/wjcdfaQ0 |
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| 20:34.35 | HK44 | I edited the interfaces and added all the wpa-*** stuf |
| 20:34.39 | HK44 | ssid and psk |
| 20:34.47 | HK44 | but to no avail |
| 20:34.51 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: does answering "n" make aptitude provide a more agreeable solution? |
| 20:34.58 | babilen | HK44: Can you scan for networks? |
| 20:35.06 | jelly-home | ,versions libgif4 |
| 20:35.07 | judd | Package: libgif4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.1.6-6; sid: 4.1.6-9; squeeze: 4.1.6-9; wheezy: 4.1.6-9 |
| 20:35.14 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home nope, no more solutions |
| 20:35.28 | HK44 | that would be iwlist eth1 scan, right? |
| 20:36.10 | babilen | If the wireless interface is indeed "eth1" then yes |
| 20:36.19 | jhutchins_lt | amouge: Let me grab it for you. |
| 20:36.20 | HK44 | weirdly so, it is |
| 20:36.28 | HK44 | I was also expecting wlan0 |
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| 20:37.06 | HK44 | ok, I'll give that a shot, thanks |
| 20:37.07 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: your debian mirror may be outdated or broken. Try replacing mirrors.telianet.dk with ftp.dk.debian.org, leaving everything else intact, do an update again |
| 20:37.39 | babilen | HK44: Hmm? |
| 20:37.44 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libgif4 after that, or try installing the jdk again |
| 20:38.00 | jhutchins_lt | amouge: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 20:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | amouge: It's not obsolete. |
| 20:38.23 | HK44 | just a sec, it's booting |
| 20:38.52 | babilen | brb |
| 20:38.59 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/NzyB1fJ8 |
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| 20:39.31 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: what, again? |
| 20:39.44 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: can you pastebin the whole output of apt-get update? |
| 20:40.32 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: and apt-cache policy libgif4 |
| 20:41.19 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/iYswvLmy && http://pastebin.com/zJkm2UFV |
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| 20:42.04 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: so that mirror doesn't work (on ipv6 at least) either. try ftp.de.debian.org. |
| 20:42.44 | HK44 | bablien: no scan results |
| 20:42.52 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home - deb http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny main gives same result |
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| 20:43.18 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: you missed /debian, deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 20:43.47 | DJ_UNA | that worked out abit beter |
| 20:43.56 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: that's why I said "leaving everything else intact" |
| 20:44.18 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home yeah, my bad - the fetching takes some time now |
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| 20:44.55 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home so now what, apt-cache policy libgif4 ? |
| 20:45.18 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: to see if it's now available. If it is, try installing your thing. |
| 20:45.30 | johwir | Just installed debian GNU/kFreeBSD. Running zfs now.. This is like a dream. |
| 20:45.41 | DJ_UNA | It is, wee |
| 20:45.52 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home thanks bud! |
| 20:46.02 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: you will probably also have lots of other updates to apply |
| 20:46.35 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: apt-get --dry-run upgrade to show them (-s |
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| 20:47.26 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home only 18 |
| 20:47.29 | DJ_UNA | could be worse |
| 20:48.07 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: if any packages are "kept back", also try apt-get --dry-run dist-upgrade |
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| 20:49.03 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home, can you help me out with this java thing? http://pastebin.com/3nDXFSUs |
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| 20:50.16 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: nope, I don't know enough about java |
| 20:51.37 | jelly-home | find out where JAVA_HOME is defined and fix it, I guess |
| 20:52.23 | jelly-home | DJ_UNA: if you have remnants of sun-java6-* package, they might be making troubles |
| 20:52.26 | DJ_UNA | jelly-home a symlink to the newly installed openjdk fixed it |
| 20:52.28 | johwir | DJ_UNA: You don't have the JDK installed, just the JRE. |
| 20:52.48 | jelly-home | johwir: he just installed openjdk jdk. |
| 20:52.55 | jelly-home | or she. |
| 20:54.04 | johwir | Ah. |
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| 20:54.40 | jelly-home | perhaps /usr/bin/java alternative is pointing to some other java |
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| 20:55.37 | johwir | Seems like she is running ant. Try setting JAVA_HOME to the "good" jdk installation before starting ant. That should do it. |
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| 20:56.29 | Zorganite | is there anyway of configuring where the kernel reads the firmware from? |
| 20:57.00 | valdyn | Zorganite: udev probably |
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| 20:58.12 | Zorganite | valdyn: I loaded the module manually |
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| 20:58.31 | valdyn | Zorganite: what does one thing have to do with the other? |
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| 20:58.58 | jelly-home | Zorganite: why do you ask? |
| 20:59.04 | ElDiabolo_ | Any hints on how to enable fall back mode on wheezys gnome 3? The sytem info switch seems to be gone. |
| 20:59.06 | Zorganite | valdyn: from your answer, I can assume it doesn't :P |
| 20:59.26 | valdyn | Zorganite: see /usr/lib/udev/firmware.agent and override that file with your settings in /etc/udev/ |
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| 20:59.45 | Zorganite | jelly-home: I'm having problems loading firmwared, microcodes, etc |
| 20:59.51 | Zorganite | *firmwares |
| 20:59.52 | jelly-home | Zorganite: at least I don't know of one. Why do you ask? Which module? Which firmware are you missing? What's wrong with placing it in /lib/firmware? |
| 20:59.54 | valdyn | Zorganite: the kernel does not get access to userspace, thats all |
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| 21:00.55 | Zorganite | I'm testing with iwl3945 |
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| 21:01.08 | Zorganite | but I've had problems with intel-microcode also |
| 21:01.16 | IngoPan | ist das Teil gut ? |
| 21:01.17 | IngoPan | http://amzn.to/AsusEEEPad-Transformer |
| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | Zorganite: is firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
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| 21:01.21 | Zorganite | so I'm trying to focus on iwl3945 for now... |
| 21:01.28 | Zorganite | yes, it is |
| 21:01.54 | Zorganite | and according t my google results, the only reason for the driver to show the error message it show is because of missing firmware files |
| 21:01.57 | jelly-home | Zorganite: which debian release are you using? uname -r? |
| 21:02.01 | Zorganite | and I know they are there |
| 21:02.06 | Zorganite | and they pass debsums check |
| 21:02.13 | Zorganite | unstabl |
| 21:02.25 | Zorganite | unstable |
| 21:02.37 | Zorganite | uname -r = 3.0.0-3-amd64 |
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| 21:03.12 | valdyn | Zorganite: hmm, i said /usr/lib when I meant /lib, but your issue surely is something else anyway |
| 21:03.22 | Zorganite | with all these symptoms I wanted to see if there was any possibility the kernel is not searching for the firmware in the right location |
| 21:03.37 | valdyn | Zorganite: the kernel cant search |
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| 21:04.04 | Zorganite | the firmware paths are hardcoded, right? |
| 21:04.17 | Zorganite | I assumed as much |
| 21:04.24 | valdyn | Zorganite: no, only the file names are |
| 21:04.28 | jelly-home | Zorganite: yes. pastebin the last 200-ish lines of your /var/log/kern.log |
| 21:04.40 | Zorganite | I really do not know what the hell I did with this installation to mae it fail |
| 21:04.41 | Zorganite | mae=make |
| 21:05.05 | Zorganite | jelly-home: let me reboot to the Ubuntu partition |
| 21:05.39 | jelly-home | Zorganite: oh, you don't have a stick or something to transfer the files? |
| 21:05.42 | Zorganite | btw, I have a 2.6.32 kernel laying around and I have the same problem booting with it |
| 21:06.05 | Zorganite | jelly-home: I would have to get up... it's just easier to reboot :P |
| 21:06.40 | jelly-home | it's easier for me not to help, too! |
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| 21:08.00 | Zorganite | jelly-home: just keeding mate.... :/ |
| 21:08.03 | Zorganite | damn... |
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| 21:09.06 | Zorganite | I'm in an Android machine, it's the first time I have t use pastebin... I just feel more comfortable doing it in a system I know better |
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| 21:10.14 | windparadise | hello, good morning all, can someone pls help me think ? |
| 21:10.33 | ElDiabolo_ | Ah, managed to switch on fallback mode using gsettings. But panel applets seem to be a thing of the past... |
| 21:10.57 | windparadise | here is my php.ini file, I raised the memory but on the local value, it still shows 64Mb, how do I change it please? |
| 21:11.02 | claw | i have got a problem : when watching movies.... vlc or firefox (flash) they go double speed fast forward |
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| 21:11.20 | claw | anybody know what may cause this fault ? |
| 21:11.26 | derobert_work | Is there an easy way to use the dos partition ID (fd, da, etc.) from a udev rule? |
| 21:11.32 | jelly-home | Zorganite: yeah, but you're going to have to reboot to and fro to gain additional data |
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| 21:13.03 | Zorganite | jelly-home: pastebin.com/pBWkTraC |
| 21:13.18 | Zorganite | this is from last night |
| 21:13.30 | windparadise | my page is located at http://drupal.berylhost.com/info.php |
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| 21:14.24 | xi_ | need someone help me analyze this strace log to figure out why it takes high cpu usage |
| 21:14.27 | xi_ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43017476/strace.log |
| 21:14.43 | nkuttler | windparadise: try drupal support |
| 21:14.59 | windparadise | no, this is an .ini file |
| 21:15.09 | jelly-home | ,file iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode --release sid --arch amd64 |
| 21:15.14 | judd | No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 21:15.16 | nkuttler | windparadise: define "it shows" |
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| 21:15.30 | Zorganite | jelly-home: it's in firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:15.56 | windparadise | nkuttler: as you can see http://drupal.berylhost.com/info.php I have raised the php memory limit to 712Mb but it still display 64Mb at the local value |
| 21:15.57 | Zorganite | I have both -1.ucode and -2.ucode |
| 21:16.02 | jelly-home | Zorganite: with that exact filename, directly under /lib/firmware ? |
| 21:16.17 | Zorganite | exactly the same name as reported above |
| 21:16.28 | jelly-home | "should work" |
| 21:16.32 | nkuttler | windparadise: never ever put phpinfo() on a public site. remove it now |
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| 21:16.49 | Zorganite | jelly-home: it _should_! |
| 21:16.58 | nkuttler | windparadise: btw, how much RAM do you have? |
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| 21:17.10 | windparadise | 4Gb |
| 21:17.12 | nkuttler | windparadise: and you restarted apache? |
| 21:17.25 | windparadise | I restarted apache many times, even restarted the server |
| 21:17.36 | jelly-home | Zorganite: does an older kernel work better? |
| 21:17.37 | Zorganite | jelly-home: and I even used debsums for checsum the files, and it passes |
| 21:17.52 | Zorganite | jelly-home: tried with 2.6.32, with no avail |
| 21:17.53 | nkuttler | windparadise: ask in ##php what Local vs. Master Value means |
| 21:18.00 | Zorganite | I have exactly the same problem |
| 21:18.11 | Zorganite | and note that this is not restricted to iwl3945 |
| 21:18.11 | jelly-home | Zorganite: latest fimrware-iwlwifi (0.34)? |
| 21:18.28 | Zorganite | I had to uninstall intel-microcode to avoid a 60s timeout during boot |
| 21:18.45 | jordanm | windparadise: looks like its being written using an .htaccess override |
| 21:18.48 | RealPlayer | the best site to win monay ....http://www.earnparttimejobs.com/index.php?id=3744841 |
| 21:18.57 | jordanm | windparadise: which is why it shows the master value of 712M |
| 21:19.15 | Zorganite | yes, it is 0.34 |
| 21:20.52 | RealPlayer | part time jop .....http://www.earnparttimejobs.com/index.php?id=3744841 |
| 21:20.55 | windparadise | jordanm: I have defined my own php ini file to 712 m |
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| 21:22.28 | Zorganite | valdyn: btw, i'm lookning at firmware.agent file and the directory list seems ok... |
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| 21:22.56 | jelly-home | Zorganite: I'm not even sure which package to file bugs on. |
| 21:23.16 | Zorganite | jelly-home: me neither! :/ |
| 21:23.26 | Zorganite | this is just so weird! |
| 21:23.29 | valdyn | Zorganite: cant your run udavadm --monitor and load the module and see what happens? |
| 21:23.34 | jelly-home | Zorganite: uh, did you mean microcode.ctl package? |
| 21:23.35 | nkuttler | windparadise: php can override that.. hence my #drupal suggestion. they can probably tell you where to look |
| 21:24.17 | Zorganite | jelly-home: that's an intel-microcode dependency, I uninstalle both |
| 21:24.20 | valdyn | Zorganite: that microcode package might be useless atm, because your bios could also be applying that bugfix, i dont know how to tell |
| 21:24.22 | Zorganite | valdyn: just a sec |
| 21:24.35 | windparadise | ok, stil checking |
| 21:24.37 | jelly-home | Zorganite: eh, file it on linux-image-$(uname -r), let them figure it out if it's them or udev or something. |
| 21:25.33 | Zorganite | jelly-home: but I'm not completely sure it's not a bug I introduced somehow... ain't I ending up shot or something' |
| 21:25.34 | Zorganite | ? |
| 21:25.37 | jelly-home | Zorganite: there's a #debian-next channel on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) specifically for unstable and testing but I'm not sure how helpful they're going to be |
| 21:25.44 | RealPlayer | http://www.earnparttimejobs.com/index.php?id=3744841 |
| 21:26.03 | jelly-home | Zorganite: yeah but the kernel or udev people will still be more likely to offer useful advice |
| 21:26.09 | jelly-home | !ops RealPlayer |
| 21:26.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: RealPlayer |
| 21:26.19 | valdyn | Zorganite: filing a good bug report gets you excellent help usually, even if it is your own fault |
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| 21:26.52 | pupuserD6 | whoa ad spammer |
| 21:26.54 | Zorganite | what makes a good report? |
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| 21:27.10 | pupuserD6 | perl actually means that |
| 21:27.13 | valdyn | Zorganite: providing information and being responsive to further inquiries |
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| 21:27.50 | valdyn | Zorganite: showing that you went to some length to find out something by yourself |
| 21:28.15 | Zorganite | ok, I'll try that |
| 21:28.25 | Zorganite | btw, I'm trying the udevadm monitor stuff |
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| 21:28.55 | Zorganite | I see an add /devices/pci......./firware/0000.... |
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| 21:30.25 | Zorganite | udevd seems to be working correctly |
| 21:30.46 | Zorganite | maybe I'll try to file a bug report to the kernel |
| 21:30.46 | valdyn | Zorganite: there must be an error print out now |
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| 21:30.57 | valdyn | Zorganite: probably in dmesg, probably in that udev output |
| 21:31.08 | Zorganite | I assume the kernel team will know how to debug this :P |
| 21:31.13 | Zorganite | valdyn: not in udevadm |
| 21:31.13 | valdyn | ( unless that driver was already loaded ) |
| 21:31.24 | windparadise | can the php configuration be saved into apache.conf httpd.conf file ? |
| 21:31.32 | Zorganite | valdyn: you can see the error in the pastebin I copied above |
| 21:31.56 | Zorganite | udevadm just show add/remove lines |
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| 21:32.27 | windparadise | ? |
| 21:32.36 | valdyn | Zorganite: the files are there? |
| 21:33.06 | Zorganite | valdyn: yes... and debsum checks pass |
| 21:33.52 | Zorganite | that's why I asked if there was any possibility of the kernel trying to load them from another location |
| 21:33.59 | valdyn | Zorganite: how new is that hardware? |
| 21:34.19 | valdyn | Zorganite: yea, but its not the kernel that loads the firmware |
| 21:34.25 | Zorganite | valdyn: don't you mean how _old_ the hardware is? ;) |
| 21:34.48 | valdyn | Zorganite: i have no idea if this chip is still produced |
| 21:35.03 | Zorganite | valdyn: it's a common intel 945gm |
| 21:35.15 | Zorganite | valdyn: and Ubuntu in the same disk boots... |
| 21:35.17 | valdyn | Zorganite: ok |
| 21:35.20 | Zorganite | and memtest passes |
| 21:35.28 | Zorganite | and fsck also |
| 21:35.58 | Zorganite | so I'm almost sure it's not hardware related |
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| 21:36.35 | Zorganite | I think this is one of the very few times I needed to come to #debian to ask for help since I started using it 14 years ago :P |
| 21:36.39 | lzskiss | yo |
| 21:36.57 | Zorganite | or 12... |
| 21:37.07 | Zorganite | or something in between |
| 21:37.09 | valdyn | Zorganite: udev version and your kernel match? |
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| 21:38.47 | Zorganite | udev is 172-1 |
| 21:38.55 | Zorganite | what do you mean by "match"? |
| 21:39.04 | valdyn | Zorganite: fit |
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| 21:39.24 | valdyn | Zorganite: this should match anyway |
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| 21:39.32 | Zorganite | is there a compatibility table somewhere? |
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| 21:39.36 | Zorganite | :) |
| 21:39.43 | valdyn | Zorganite: i wouldnt know |
| 21:40.31 | Zorganite | valdyn: according to aptitude both are from unstable, so I would guess they fit |
| 21:42.15 | valdyn | Zorganite: -2 is ENOENT aka no such file or directory. |
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| 21:42.50 | jelly-home | ,versions udev |
| 21:42.52 | judd | Package: udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 172-1; wheezy: 172-1 |
| 21:43.20 | Zorganite | valdyn: what can I tell you other than "I'm looking at it"? |
| 21:43.21 | Zorganite | :P |
| 21:44.45 | valdyn | Zorganite: yea, just saying |
| 21:45.31 | Zorganite | valdyn: udevadm did not report any paths while adding/removing firmware |
| 21:45.44 | Zorganite | valdyn: is there a debug option I could use to show me that? |
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| 21:48.51 | Zorganite | valdyn: used --property and it gives a bit more info, I guess these are the variables it passes to udev scripts |
| 21:49.31 | Zorganite | another info: if I change /sys/class/firmware/timeout value it changes the time it takes to timeout |
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| 21:49.53 | Zorganite | if it is a file not found problem, shouldn't it be timeout independent? |
| 21:50.10 | Zorganite | doesn't make much sense to wait for a file to appear... |
| 21:50.20 | Zorganite | it exists, or it doesn't exist, right? |
| 21:50.46 | Zorganite | shouldn't the timeout only be related with _loading_ the firmware, or communicating with the driver/hardware? |
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| 21:51.14 | CarlFK | is there a ddns-server package? I can't seem to find it, did find something dated 2006, hoping this is obsolete: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Configuring_Dynamic_DNS__DHCP_on_Debian_Stable |
| 21:51.35 | CarlFK | basically I want a script that puts the key generated by the bind install into dhcp.conf |
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| 21:57.13 | Zorganite | how do I change the screen resolution while already in the console? |
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| 21:58.23 | Zorganite | hmmm |
| 21:58.37 | Zorganite | valdyn: what do you know avout /run/udev' |
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| 21:59.49 | pmsz | as I recall, there used to be a tool called fbset which interracted with the framebuffer but unsure whether or not it still works |
| 22:00.07 | Zorganite | thanks pmsz |
| 22:00.08 | pmsz | perhaps it simply depends on the driver or sth, you need to check it out |
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| 22:00.37 | pmsz | but I found it somewhat problematic a few years ago when dealt with the same issue |
| 22:00.47 | Zorganite | well... I have to leave (in a hurry, sorry) |
| 22:00.52 | pmsz | sure |
| 22:00.57 | Zorganite | thank you everyone for your help |
| 22:01.00 | pmsz | good luck and have phun |
| 22:01.02 | Zorganite | you've been great |
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| 22:01.49 | Zorganite | valdyn: I suspect there's a problem in udev, am finding lots of errors in syslog when udevd has debug enabled |
| 22:01.55 | Zorganite | bye everyone |
| 22:01.56 | Zorganite | BBL |
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| 22:07.11 | wart___ | hmm. what is it and where is it that debian has me prompted to enter a password the first time i do a sudo? |
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| 22:07.23 | wart___ | i checked /etc/sudoers and that isn't where that happens. is this pam related? |
| 22:07.29 | wart___ | (i want to disable it) |
| 22:07.45 | dondelelcaro | wart___: uh... that's the default |
| 22:08.14 | wart___ | dondelelcaro: well the default on this box prompts me for a sudo passwd when i do e.g. sudo cat /var/log/syslog |
| 22:08.19 | pmsz | wart___: you want to allow sudo to run without a password? |
| 22:08.32 | dondelelcaro | wart___: right, which is what the default is. man 5 sudoers; and read about NOPASSWD and PASSWD |
| 22:09.03 | pmsz | "user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" should do the trick if that's you need |
| 22:09.05 | wart___ | ah right! |
| 22:09.06 | wart___ | thanks |
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| 22:16.28 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if debian's sudo is selinux-aware |
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| 22:28.07 | sfsf32 | hi |
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| 22:28.47 | gardar | Hey guys, after a reboot, all my locale settings are set to POSIX |
| 22:29.01 | sfsf32 | how can i have localization working in iceweasel since i installed a new version from backports and the package iceweasel-l10n from repos is not working anymore? |
| 22:29.16 | gardar | and running dpkg-reconfigure locales to set the locale to en_US.UTF8 doesn't help |
| 22:29.25 | gardar | Any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 22:37.40 | yassine | how can one identify what it is keeping a device busy and one can not umount it? |
| 22:38.01 | peterrooney | yassine: lsof may help |
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| 22:38.20 | Steaven` | yassine man lsof |
| 22:38.26 | yassine | peterrooney, i tried lsof | grep deviceName and had no matches |
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| 22:40.26 | somiaj | yassine: it isn't something silly like some user has a shell open sitting inside one of the directories. Though would lsof show that a shell's cwd is using that device. |
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| 22:40.38 | somiaj | yassine: try lsof | grep /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 22:40.57 | yassine | okay thanks let me try the full path instead |
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| 22:41.12 | aidan | How can I resolve this? Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) ... I'm guessing I don't have a ca-certificates type package (I do have the aforementioned) |
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| 22:41.38 | aidan | (when trying to connect to a server via https) |
| 22:41.39 | tidux | what happened to the gnome-shell-extension-foo packages? |
| 22:41.42 | kmentat | I've got a problem with nouveau. Or to be more accurate: disabling it entirely so I can actually use my screen for something besides an example of "neon black." |
| 22:41.47 | Steaven` | aidaho, what type of software show this info? |
| 22:41.49 | tidux | I had them, but now they don't show up in the repos |
| 22:41.56 | tidux | or searching packages.debian.org |
| 22:42.10 | Steaven` | aidan sry |
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| 22:42.41 | nvz | could anyone suggest a program that can simply graphically crop photos without me spending 4 times as much time loading and saving 500+ images as I do actually editing them? I realize for freehand rotate and certain things I seldom need to do, I need a full tile cache that the gimp does, but its need to make a 2mb image take up 70mb of space and have MULTIPLE save dialogs wastes so much time its unreal |
| 22:43.17 | kmentat | It's an old GeForce 2 system, so the nvidia binary drivers won't work, and nouveau ruins the whole thing. |
| 22:43.29 | tidux | if you need to crop 500 photos, try piping it through imagemagick and maybe xargs? |
| 22:43.31 | nvz | basically need windows image viewer.. haha.. something that just flips from one photo to the next and has virtually no load time, allows basic cropping (aspect ratio is very important) and saves automatically without annoying dialogs |
| 22:43.35 | kmentat | nvz, ImageMagick? Or do you actually need to see the picture? |
| 22:43.54 | somiaj | nvz: imagemagick can do things command line. For simple viewing I like feh -- but it cannot do much more than rotate images for operations. |
| 22:44.01 | nvz | kmentat: yes I need to crop out specific things from each photo or else I woulda scripted it ages ago |
| 22:44.11 | somiaj | well imagemagick contains 'display' -- might be able to do somethings inside of that too |
| 22:44.29 | kmentat | Does GQView still exist? I keep thinking it had a feature like this. |
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| 22:45.06 | tidux | geeqie, iirc a fork of gqview, exists |
| 22:45.14 | tidux | but I don't know how much photo-editing ability it has |
| 22:45.18 | somiaj | nvz: seems display inside of imagemagick gives you a simple visual frontend to crop |
| 22:45.21 | tidux | it does load a LOT faster than gimp |
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| 22:45.26 | nvz | well I use gqview for viewing and then open them in the gimp from there to crop.. but gimp creates a tile cache making a 2mb photo take up 70mb of ram.. that takes time and limits how many I can load at once.. then I have to go through at least two dialogs to save.. I spend about 30sec cropping, and 5 min loading and saving |
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| 22:45.56 | gardar | you can also just use gd |
| 22:46.21 | nvz | doing 500 photos would only take me 20min.. but the lack of a proper tool for the job makes it take 4 hours |
| 22:46.29 | aidan | Steaven`: $ openssl s_client -connect github.com:443 |
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| 22:47.16 | nvz | somiaj: I'll give display a try I guess.. see what its load/save is like... I really need the crop to snap to a specified aspect ratio is the one thing that makes this complicated.. |
| 22:47.37 | nvz | in the gimp I can fix the crop tool to a certain aspect ratio |
| 22:47.39 | yassine | now that oracle is closing java again how does one have to deals with java jdk/jrc installation on debian? are there some common approaches which one can follow or can i just download the binaries from oracle's website and install it manually ? |
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| 22:48.01 | tidux | yassine: openjdk |
| 22:48.52 | kmentat | I'm pretty sure nouveau is causing my Xorg to segfault, but if I uninstall it Xorg freaks out because it can't find nouveau. Any suggestions? |
| 22:49.02 | yassine | tidux, fortunatly i can install that one just via apt-get as things should be, but my requirements requires the oracle's jdk/jre |
| 22:49.29 | gardar | yassine: enale the non-free repo, you can get the sun/oracle java there |
| 22:49.43 | somiaj | nvz: I didn't see a nice way to keep the aspect ratio, but might not be a hard patch to apply to display...(: |
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| 22:51.55 | mes_ | is there any better group than this to ask a question about changes to xterm? |
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| 22:52.32 | tidux | mes_: you mean configuration changes or patches? |
| 22:52.51 | Steaven` | aidan i am unsure and just asked because i believed that you tryed to install some software. |
| 22:53.32 | mes_ | tidux, -exec seems to have disappeared and I see no mention in the change logs |
| 22:53.49 | tidux | really |
| 22:53.59 | tidux | you running Testing, Sid, or Squeeze? |
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| 22:54.07 | mes_ | 276-1, it was there in 269 |
| 22:54.23 | mes_ | xterm: bad command line option "-exec" |
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| 22:54.33 | somiaj | mes_: xterm -e works fine for me, running latest sid version |
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| 22:55.26 | tidux | xterm -e works on Wheezy |
| 22:55.32 | mes_ | so it does, name change I guess |
| 22:55.59 | Steaven` | aidan did you checked http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html ? |
| 22:56.00 | mes_ | tidux, thanks |
| 22:56.06 | tidux | np |
| 22:56.22 | tidux | so seriously |
| 22:56.27 | aidan | sigh |
| 22:56.30 | tidux | where did the gnome-shell-extension-foo packages go? |
| 22:56.41 | tidux | I want my shutdown button :< |
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| 22:57.39 | albert | hey, i am always getting errors like `locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory` when i install something. some things even break because of that. how can i fix that? the error is there since the very beginning. it is actually always there on all machines where i have used debootstrap to install the system |
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| 22:58.12 | tidux | maybe you're using debootstrap wrong? |
| 22:58.21 | albert | tidux: no, just the default options |
| 22:58.32 | tidux | never used it myself, but that seems weird |
| 22:58.47 | somiaj | mes_: sure xterm ever had an --exec flag, I didn't find any mention of it in the xterm changelog. |
| 22:58.58 | albert | and google finds *many* results on that error. however, all suggestions are so old that they don't work |
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| 22:59.18 | somiaj | albert: debootstrap doesn't install locales by default, apt-get install locales inside the chroot to get your locales, then dpkg-reconfigure locales if you want to change them |
| 23:00.35 | albert | somiaj: ah, maybe it should? and the debian wiki should be extended about that. because, as said, some things break/fail because of those missing locales |
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| 23:01.27 | somiaj | albert: Well debootstrap isn't a full install in which the locales are installed when a user makes some choice. I've just accepted it as one of the things I have to install when I first set up my chroot/newinstall with debootstrap |
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| 23:02.18 | somiaj | albert: you could check the bts, or file it as a bug -- though I think it has more to do with what they consider a base system. The installer installs a kernel/locales and some user settings on top of a base system. |
| 23:02.34 | albert | somiaj: hm, somewhere in the doc or on the wiki, it says i have a full base system after a debootstrap |
| 23:03.47 | albert | hm, when doing `apt-get install locales`, it fails now because it fails to configure man-db because of missing locales |
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| 23:05.16 | albert | seems like a messed up situation :) `dpkg-reconfigure locales` fails with the error "locales is broken or not fully installed" |
| 23:05.19 | somiaj | I have never had it fail, I've had it spit out warnings until I installed the locales. |
| 23:05.24 | mes_ | somiaj, I've used it in enlightenment menus for many years, but you are right I can find no mention of it, I did use -exec, not --exec, so ?? I'll have to ask Tomas Dickey |
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| 23:06.21 | somiaj | mes_: well when I type xterm -exec it says 'bad command line option "-e"' -- by default - comannds are one letter, -- are words. Maybe it use to just truncate and treated -exec as -e. |
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| 23:06.46 | albert | the full output of `apt-get install locales`: http://pastebin.ca/2093452 |
| 23:06.48 | somiaj | mes_: as opposed to xterm --exec gives me bad command line option "--exec" -- could have been it was working due to buggy behavior. |
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| 23:07.21 | mes_ | somiaj, it worked in 269, yes that was what I was thinking, this is what I was using: xterm -fn 12x24 -geometry 108x33 -exec 'mutt' |
| 23:07.41 | tidux | 12x24 mutt? |
| 23:07.43 | tidux | that's tiny |
| 23:07.52 | mes_ | fn12x24 |
| 23:08.25 | somiaj | mes_: so maybe you have been using a bug which got fixed...though I'm surprised there is not mention in it. Though it could be the command line arg parser got changed not xterm. |
| 23:08.37 | tidux | oh |
| 23:08.37 | tidux | wow |
| 23:08.42 | tidux | that is a monster-huge font |
| 23:08.44 | tidux | wow |
| 23:08.52 | tidux | I think I could see that from space |
| 23:09.01 | nsadmin | is bugs about the beatles |
| 23:09.22 | mes_ | yes but this screen is 149dpi, and X does seem to care about that |
| 23:09.25 | albert | hm, i did `apt-get remove man-db` and tried again with `apt-get install locales` but it still fails with the same error. i'm not really sure what it means or what i can do there... |
| 23:09.57 | somiaj | albert: yea I haven't ran into that issue. I have ran into the having to install locales and found it strange, but I see no mention of it in the bug page. -- you could file one and see what the matainer says about it, there maybe a reason its done this way. |
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| 23:10.29 | somiaj | albert: what version of debian is in that chroot? |
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| 23:10.59 | albert | somiaj: sid. and it's not a chroot anymore, this is live on another box |
| 23:12.00 | nsadmin | there was a time when locales was in a separate package from libc |
| 23:12.07 | somiaj | albert: your error is in the postinst script of man-db somewhere, its exiting with exit code 1. If you fix that you fix your problem |
| 23:12.10 | albert | hm, but how can i fix the thing now? |
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| 23:12.17 | albert | i already removed man-db |
| 23:12.26 | somiaj | nsadmin: isn't it still in the seperate package 'locales'? |
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| 23:12.59 | nsadmin | maybe it's the opposite: there was a time when locales and libc were in the same package |
| 23:13.08 | albert | http://pastebin.ca/2093453 |
| 23:13.46 | albert | what does "configured to not write apport reports" mean? is that the actual error there? |
| 23:14.02 | somiaj | albert: as I said, line 22 is the reason you can't install. The others are just warnings you can mostly ignore. |
| 23:14.03 | nsadmin | and in sid, who knows what its current state is... horribly broken or sorta works a little |
| 23:14.47 | somiaj | yea it could be a sid issue, you can try to parse the postinst script and see why man-db is exiting with exit 1, or just put exit 0 at the top of the script (Though this has the side effect of the script not doing what it needs to) |
| 23:14.47 | nsadmin | , versions ardour |
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| 23:14.49 | judd | Package: ardour on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.8.11-3; sid: 1:2.8.12-1; wheezy: 1:2.8.12-1 |
| 23:15.04 | albert | somiaj: there is no man-db issue anymore |
| 23:15.34 | somiaj | albert: then its in the postinst script of locales. |
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| 23:17.35 | albert | ah hehe, ok, it works now. i had changed the symlink of /bin/sh to /bin/zsh. that seemed to be the problem. i changed it back to dash (never heard of that shell before...) and it works now |
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| 23:17.46 | somiaj | albert: what was /bin/sh pointing at? |
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| 23:17.52 | somiaj | it should point at 'dash' |
| 23:17.59 | albert | yea... |
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| 23:18.44 | nsadmin | is zsh a valid sh? |
| 23:19.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: i thought it was |
| 23:19.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | or had a posix mode |
| 23:19.33 | nsadmin | if so, it shouldn't have mattered... you may have found several bugs in debian by doing that |
| 23:19.59 | themill | (dash isn't, of course, a posix shell) |
| 23:20.04 | nsadmin | people are thinking dash but using sh |
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| 23:20.46 | nsadmin | why is dash being used as sh then? |
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| 23:20.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | its policy complient |
| 23:20.58 | nsadmin | that sounds like someone wasn't thinking |
| 23:21.00 | nsadmin | at all |
| 23:21.38 | nsadmin | then policy is flawed |
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| 23:21.51 | themill | nsadmin: or posix is floored.... |
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| 23:22.17 | nsadmin | themill, shouldn't any posix shell work? |
| 23:22.42 | nsadmin | not sure what you're meaning by floored unless it's akin to flawed |
| 23:22.46 | themill | why should it? |
| 23:23.01 | nsadmin | because it's linked from /bin/sh |
| 23:23.21 | themill | nsadmin: no-one is guaranteeing that /bin/sh is a posix shell. |
| 23:23.54 | nsadmin | ok, then why woulnd't linking it to tcsh work too? |
| 23:24.04 | themill | makes nsadmin read §10.4 |
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| 23:24.40 | themill | nsadmin: debian guarantees that /bin/sh does certain things that are superset of posix. That's not the same as allowing it to be any old crap |
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| 23:25.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if/when it'll get upgraded to SUS4 |
| 23:25.32 | nsadmin | it doesn't make sense that sh is not guaranteed to be sh-like |
| 23:26.02 | albert | the debian scripts should use /bin/dash instead of /bin/sh if they use some dash specific features, shouldn't they? |
| 23:26.12 | nsadmin | yes they should |
| 23:26.23 | themill | albert: yes |
| 23:26.33 | themill | nsadmin: who said that /bin/sh was not sh-like? (other than you) |
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| 23:26.49 | themill | nsadmin: have you read policy §10.4 yet? |
| 23:27.08 | nsadmin | nops |
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| 23:27.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | is there such thing as a dash specific feature? |
| 23:27.26 | themill | nsadmin: perhaps you should so you knew what you were talking about |
| 23:27.46 | nsadmin | this is independent of policy |
| 23:27.58 | themill | nsadmin: it is not. And if you read it you'd understand why. |
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| 23:28.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | have fun everyone, i'm off for lunch :) |
| 23:28.13 | ic3man05 | I'm trying to port one of my init scripts from a fedora machine to debian. What is the equivent of /etc/init.d/functions for debian? |
| 23:28.30 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: dash always having an implicit -e for echo could be considered one |
| 23:28.32 | nsadmin | btw, which scripts specifically were not working when pointing sh at zsh? |
| 23:29.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ic3man05: check debians shipped skeleton init script |
| 23:29.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill: didn't know about that one |
| 23:29.27 | ic3man05 | Kamping_Kaiser, is this a file or a document I should be looking for? |
| 23:29.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks |
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| 23:29.31 | albert | well, or at least (and that's how this discussion came up), some post-installation script failed when /bin/sh pointed to zsh and it worked when it pointed to dash. so it seems that (1) the script used /bin/bash and (2) either zsh is strange in some situations regarding this script or dash specific features are used |
| 23:29.40 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: that one's a pita |
| 23:29.57 | albert | eh, the script used /bin/sh |
| 23:29.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | ic3man05: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 23:31.02 | themill | albert: I don't know that zsh really claims to be sh-compatible much less that it offers the extensions to SUSv3 that scripts are allowed to assume |
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| 23:31.55 | nsadmin | albert, wait, how did bash come into this? had you tried linking sh to baxh? (btw, this used to be the case) |
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| 23:32.05 | albert | nsadmin: typo :) |
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| 23:32.41 | |puppeh| | ok, this is weird: I'm running ddrescue on an SD card, but it only seems to transfer data when I move the mouse. "iotop" shows it drop to zero if I leave it alone. Why on earth would it do that? |
| 23:32.58 | |puppeh| | gddrescue, that is. |
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| 23:33.38 | nsadmin | !§10.4 |
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| 23:33.56 | nsadmin | themill, got a link? |
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| 23:34.59 | albert | nsadmin: v |
| 23:35.03 | albert | nsadmin: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-scripts |
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| 23:35.16 | themill | nsadmin: http://bit.ly/tUgNiH |
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| 23:36.42 | themill | err... |
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| 23:40.12 | nsadmin | themill: cute :P so the standard for sh is not posix but SUSv3 Shell Command Language plus some stuff |
| 23:40.32 | themill | you might now like to read footnote 80 |
| 23:40.48 | yagoo | ok. So is there a good raid instruction out there? I'm very new to this. I want to know if this is correct- 1) Set my bios to ahci, raid-ide where it need to be 2) Install debian as normal(dvd), 3) Reboot to raid-bios and make the mirror 4) Boot into debian and setup raid inside debian. -- I'm not sure about how to go about #4 and I think it's incorrect.. |
| 23:40.52 | themill | (or something else to learn what "POSIX" means) |
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| 23:44.36 | nsadmin | I understand what posix is, it's a standard of behavior for things like libc library calls |
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| 23:47.47 | moskvat | how to install emesene developer |
| 23:48.46 | moskvat | downloaded from blog.emesene.org |
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| 23:50.43 | kamgoo | WWW.KAMGOO.COM Free Webchat with pictures, games, chat rooms, profiles. Meet people from around the world. WWW.KAMGOO.COM |
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| 23:57.49 | _Dave123_ | tcp 1 0 Unknown-08-00-27-:44958 a92-122-217-171.dep:www CLOSE_WAIT 2252/gnome-panel |
| 23:58.01 | _Dave123_ | this I see often (sometimes established) in netstat |
| 23:58.10 | _Dave123_ | what is it? and how can I avoid getting this connection? |