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| 00:00.26 | Gammma | Hi everyone, |
| 00:00.32 | Gammma | Don't forget to vote for kde in dibadu! |
| 00:00.38 | Gammma | http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491 |
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| 00:18.41 | buhman | what could possibly be the issue with exim? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505562/ |
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| 00:27.24 | albert | thanks for the help and good night everyone |
| 00:27.25 | ix | IPv6 loopback working? |
| 00:27.36 | Dungeon | hey guys where does one find a good debian install with regular cd isos for the latest release? |
| 00:29.00 | themill | Dungeon: www.debian.org? |
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| 00:36.06 | jetscreamer | jelly: actually given the timelag, i find it very amusing |
| 00:36.36 | nsadmin | when you say regular, do you mean not-dvds? |
| 00:37.01 | gentz | Is there a log for listing all of the files installed by a particular package? |
| 00:37.04 | nsadmin | (DUngeon) |
| 00:37.25 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 00:37.28 | jetscreamer | dvd too |
| 00:37.29 | nsadmin | no but you can use dpkg -L pkg |
| 00:37.33 | jetscreamer | dpk.. nvm |
| 00:38.08 | gentz | If there is no log or way to get where the files are installed, how does aptitude know what to uninstall? |
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| 00:38.22 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 00:38.57 | gentz | nsadmin: ty! |
| 00:38.58 | jetscreamer | sorcery? ... j/k |
| 00:39.20 | nsadmin | gentz, which craft? |
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| 00:40.34 | gentz | nsadmin: craft? |
| 00:40.51 | nsadmin | witchy! |
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| 00:42.11 | nsadmin | see, there are two ways for a package to install a file... one, all packages have a tarball, two, it can generate the file using a script |
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| 00:42.46 | nsadmin | the -L listing probably only tells you the files in the tarball |
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| 00:55.19 | zorganae | valdyn: u there? |
| 00:56.11 | zorganae | jelly: u there? |
| 00:58.51 | zorganae | well... for anyone who cares |
| 00:59.09 | zorganae | I enabled udev's debug log level |
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| 00:59.18 | zorganae | to try and see if was able to find any clues |
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| 00:59.39 | zorganae | so I restarted udev for the configuration change to apply |
| 00:59.44 | zorganae | and everything started working |
| 01:00.10 | zorganae | looking at /etc/rcS.d also noticed that I only had a Kxx-udev entry |
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| 01:00.44 | zorganae | so one "update-rc.d udev disable; update-rc.d udev enable" and everything was working ok |
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| 01:01.10 | zorganae | I assume somewhere along the way an update failed midway and udev was disabled |
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| 01:02.46 | zorganae | and that's the story behind firmwares not loading |
| 01:03.26 | zorganae | basically, the udev that was running was probably still running within initrd image and, as such, was not able to load the firmware |
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| 01:11.43 | go^ | does anyone have debian sid + chromium? does it crash? |
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| 01:12.13 | Abisu | happy to tell you debian is now running fully in all servers on the island, all communications come and go through it |
| 01:12.25 | Abisu | and the aim is to spread it further across the islands |
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| 01:14.17 | civillian | Abisu: which islands? |
| 01:14.44 | Abisu | island of bora bora in french polynesia |
| 01:15.04 | Abisu | we want to bring it to more islands |
| 01:15.38 | civillian | nice! I was in fiji earlier this year, I'd like to get to french polynesia too |
| 01:15.52 | Abisu | You should come |
| 01:16.00 | Abisu | come to my island |
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| 01:16.12 | Abisu | it is choosen, most beautiful place in the world. 2011 |
| 01:16.28 | Abisu | we also have fiber optic direct connection to Hawaii :) |
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| 01:17.21 | civillian | I was going to ask about internet, do you get decent speeds? |
| 01:17.33 | Abisu | 25 m/bit i get |
| 01:17.34 | Abisu | its enough? |
| 01:17.44 | civillian | that's great |
| 01:17.45 | Abisu | :) |
| 01:17.48 | civillian | for a small island |
| 01:17.55 | civillian | I'm in australia, big island :P |
| 01:17.57 | Abisu | this is a very expensive project the government did |
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| 01:18.09 | Abisu | to connect spread underwater cable to connect the islands |
| 01:18.11 | civillian | I'm sure |
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| 01:18.40 | Abisu | truth is its a lot more than what the people here need |
| 01:18.47 | Abisu | its mostly for the tourists |
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| 01:19.15 | Abisu | but more and more people are getting connected |
| 01:19.29 | babilen | !ot |
| 01:19.30 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:19.31 | zorganae | go^: mine's crashing also for all pages |
| 01:19.41 | go^ | zorganae, mine too uhm |
| 01:19.43 | Abisu | sorry |
| 01:20.01 | go^ | zorganae, must we wait? |
| 01:20.06 | civillian | phooey babilen, no-one's talking much anyway |
| 01:20.21 | Abisu | my island is just halfway between americas and your island civillian :) |
| 01:20.35 | babilen | civillian: All is good then. |
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| 01:22.39 | zorganae | go^: don't know... but you can always go back: http://snapshot.debian.org |
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| 01:23.40 | zorganae | bye everyone |
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| 01:23.47 | go^ | zorganae, how can we report the error ? |
| 01:24.09 | zorganae | there's "reportbug" |
| 01:24.13 | babilen | go^: That bug has already been reported |
| 01:24.24 | go^ | babilen, zorganae ok thank you :) |
| 01:24.30 | zorganae | I would guess as much :) |
| 01:24.54 | babilen | !dbugs 647992 |
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| 01:24.59 | dpkg | #647992:G[chromium] chromium: unrecoverable Aw, Snap! on start up (confirmed); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:30:01 UTC [647994 647996 648008 648010 648015 648018 648023 648031 648032 648035 648039] |
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| 01:26.12 | babilen | civillian: Please realise that reasons for not having ot discussions in here is that it makes it quite hard to find unanswered questions in your backlog that you might want to answer. (like go^'s question right now) -- Furthermore it produces traffic in channels you might not want to pay attention to. We have #d-ot for a reason :) |
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| 01:38.09 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if it's possible to use iptables to rewrite the protocol number of a packet |
| 01:38.53 | itsnotabigtruck | as in, change which one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IP_protocol_numbers is in the ip header |
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| 01:39.19 | babilen | recommends #netfilter |
| 01:40.06 | itsnotabigtruck | ugh, why does everything have to be segregated ad infinitum |
| 01:40.19 | itsnotabigtruck | it's like how people on reddit think subreddits are not for finding things you like, but filtering thinks you don't |
| 01:40.31 | ix | babilen: That should be added to the dpkg response, methinks. :-) |
| 01:41.20 | ix | (More to the point than a statement about chaos.) |
| 01:41.49 | babilen | ix: I might get around to it. |
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| 01:44.14 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: have you looked at what aspects you can mangle with iptables. That is the tool it uses to manually change info in the packet. |
| 01:44.23 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: wrong channel dude |
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| 01:46.30 | Dungeon | www.debian.org |
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| 01:50.14 | Dungeon | is there no way to just download the iso files? |
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| 01:50.27 | Dungeon | just straight up http or ftp? |
| 01:51.45 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 01:51.46 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 01:52.49 | itsnotabigtruck | somiaj: i looked at mangle because that was my first thought, but it seems it can't actually do much |
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| 01:54.18 | itsnotabigtruck | actually it looks like i was looking at a rather incomplete man page |
| 01:55.16 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/mangletable.html this says you can only do TOS, TTL, or MARK using mangle |
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| 01:59.16 | civillian | itsnotabigtruck: you'll need to encapsulate to do that, not sure if I've ever seen it done tho |
| 02:00.14 | itsnotabigtruck | civillian: encapsulate, as in wrap using a tunneling protocol? that would probably be a more standards compliant way to do it :p |
| 02:00.55 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm talking about e.g. having a rule that matches tcp packets, and says "protocol 6 is for noobs, you're now protocol 42", that sort of thing |
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| 02:04.35 | civillian | itsnotabigtruck: those numbers tell the upper layers what to do with the packet, not much point in taking a tcp packet and marking it with another protocol number |
| 02:04.40 | sfsf32 | how can i have localization working in iceweasel since i installed a new version from backports and the package iceweasel-l10n from repos is not working anymore? |
| 02:04.57 | itsnotabigtruck | civillian: unless the other end intercepts and undoes it before the kernel tries to interpret the packet |
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| 02:07.09 | civillian | itsnotabigtruck: try #networking, people get funny in here about ot :) |
| 02:07.24 | buhman | what could possibly be the issue with exim? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505562/ |
| 02:08.04 | babilen | civillian: really? |
| 02:08.36 | civillian | babilen: Hard to believe, but true :) |
| 02:08.39 | itsnotabigtruck | civillian: i tried #netfilter but that channel appears to be dead |
| 02:09.07 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably one of those channels where people only talk on it during business hours, and even then only when they have some problem |
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| 02:09.27 | civillian | itsnotabigtruck: #networking has a few ppl talking right now |
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| 02:09.46 | babilen | It's ##networking fwiw |
| 02:09.50 | un214 | !accessability |
| 02:10.13 | babilen | !tell un214 -about msgthebot |
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| 02:11.09 | un214 | so I have this particular accessability problem |
| 02:11.10 | civillian | babilen: what is the meaning of ##? |
| 02:11.32 | itsnotabigtruck | civillian: freenode policy says that unofficial channels are supposed to start with ## |
| 02:11.43 | un214 | due to decaying eyesight and powerful lenses requried to correct it, I am now sensitive to chormatic abberrition |
| 02:11.54 | itsnotabigtruck | since a concept can't have an official channel, general topic channels normally start with ## |
| 02:12.01 | itsnotabigtruck | it's just a # channel called #networking |
| 02:12.25 | un214 | this means that both "black and white" and "white and black" color schemes are now useless |
| 02:12.33 | un214 | and I need one lime green on black |
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| 02:13.42 | civillian | itsnotabigtruck: ahh |
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| 02:23.04 | buhman | icecast keeps hanging whenever dpkg tries to configure it |
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| 02:23.13 | buhman | then things get really nasty after I have to kill dpkg |
| 02:23.40 | buhman | then all storts of fun things start happening: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505601/ |
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| 02:26.25 | jordanm | buhman: fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 02:27.02 | buhman | jordanm: the problem is not that I don't think |
| 02:27.15 | jordanm | buhman: does it return any output? |
| 02:27.27 | buhman | heh, I keep deleteing it; I'll reproduce the problem... |
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| 02:28.37 | buhman | so icecast hangs here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505602/ |
| 02:29.00 | buhman | I can't ctrl-c aptitude |
| 02:29.36 | buhman | /var/cache/debconf/config.dat: 20463 |
| 02:30.33 | buhman | so I kill that, (aptitude); and I don't get that problem anymore; but then I have to dpkg --reconfigure -a |
| 02:30.44 | buhman | the only way to get around this is in another terminal killing icecast2 |
| 02:30.49 | buhman | then dpkg proceeds |
| 02:31.06 | buhman | also, it won't automatically stop icecast either |
| 02:31.20 | buhman | and it's got this silly icecast configuration dialog that holds up the upgrade process |
| 02:31.38 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505603/ seems quite unnessessary |
| 02:31.40 | jordanm | buhman: have you tried attaching an strace to hung process? |
| 02:32.01 | buhman | jordanm: when I start icecast using "service icecast2 start" it works just fine |
| 02:32.08 | buhman | somehow I think that "detach from console |
| 02:32.14 | buhman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.28 | jordanm | buhman: service functions slightly different the invoke-rc.d |
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| 02:36.16 | rawsted | abrotman: so i wound up realizing that i could just boot into the rescue system i installed on the actual device (deb is on a usb stick), mount and modify the interfaces config file |
| 02:36.39 | rawsted | anyway, no luck configuring DHCP :\ |
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| 02:47.27 | pbase | I can't see synaptics any longer nor any menus in the System main menu.. has something changed recently? |
| 02:47.46 | pbase | in ui |
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| 02:49.44 | kyconquers | how would i find the debian config files for exim? |
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| 02:51.22 | jordanm | kyconquers: look in /etc |
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| 02:52.55 | kyconquers | I have found /etc/exim4/ but the file i'm looking for isn't in there. |
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| 02:53.24 | jordanm | kyconquers: what file is that? |
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| 02:53.48 | pbase | has tpconfig replaced synaptics? |
| 02:54.20 | jordanm | kyconquers: debian's exim can be setup to use a single exim.conf, or a split file configuration. you can adjust this using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 02:54.48 | kyconquers | configure.default |
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| 02:55.42 | kyconquers | jordanm, what would be the pros/cons of a single config file verse split configs? |
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| 02:58.11 | jordanm | kyconquers: preference |
| 02:58.23 | jordanm | kyconquers: what do you expect to be in configure.default? |
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| 03:03.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like there's probably no way to do my weird packet mangling, though there probably is a way to hack it in |
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| 03:16.18 | kyconquers | acording to the documentation i found that is the default main config file |
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| 03:35.16 | itsnotabigtruck | i love the graphics on the new(ish) d-i boot screen |
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| 03:43.41 | furgar | hello everyone |
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| 03:45.13 | furgar | can anyone recommend a good programming language for complete beginners? |
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| 03:47.08 | arghx | furgar: python |
| 03:47.32 | arghx | furgar: google "thinkcspy" |
| 03:47.46 | furgar | arghx: thank you |
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| 03:49.59 | jubei | hello. Can somebody help me get my monitor resolution and refresh right? I googled a bit but I can't find much (Matrox MGA G200eW) |
| 03:50.17 | arghx | jubei: xrandr |
| 03:50.17 | dioz_ | i like your hostname |
| 03:50.35 | jubei | arghx, you mean I need that package? |
| 03:50.45 | arghx | no I mean you need to run this program |
| 03:50.51 | jubei | arghx, ok let me try that |
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| 03:53.46 | jubei | arghx, http://codepad.org/zsmq3u2a |
| 03:54.50 | jubei | but my monitor can do 1920x1200 as far as I know |
| 03:54.52 | arghx | jubei: xrandr can not only list the available display modes but also can set them |
| 03:55.15 | jubei | arghx, so if the available modes are wrong it means the driver is wrong? |
| 03:55.22 | arghx | are you sure your matrox can do that resolution? and what does Xorg.0.log say? |
| 03:55.29 | arghx | wht monitor do you have? |
| 03:55.32 | jubei | arghx, oh I'm not sure that matrox can do that yeah. |
| 03:57.56 | jubei | arghx, the same monitor can do 1920x1200 in ubuntu (with a different pc though). So I'll investigate the graphics card, thank you |
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| 04:03.03 | bob_ | Hi, I just got a kernel panic http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/20111109171030.jpg does anyone have an idea? Running debian stable kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 04:04.33 | bob_ | I also added a panic=20 argument to my cmdline but it doesn't reboot with that kind of kernel panic for some reasons |
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| 04:04.52 | arghx | do you experience kernel panics often? |
| 04:05.19 | bob_ | well, I think it's about the third time. Maybe once every 1-2 months |
| 04:05.43 | bob_ | I wouldn't care that much if the server rebooted automatically but it doesn't |
| 04:06.31 | bob_ | the resolution seems to low to see the full error message unfortunately |
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| 04:07.37 | arghx | use a serial console then |
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| 04:09.32 | bob_ | Yeah well I guess I would need a second PC for that. It doesn't seem very convenient. Maybe I could try to enable kernel mode setting to get a 1024x768 or higher frame buffer |
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| 04:09.58 | bob_ | I just tought that a text console was more reliable for a server |
| 04:10.09 | qubits | what's a good task manager for gnome |
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| 04:12.13 | bob_ | I think it's called GNOME System Monitor |
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| 04:13.54 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know why check-selinux-installation might output '/etc/pam.d/login is not SELinux enabled' |
| 04:13.56 | itsnotabigtruck | on testing |
| 04:13.58 | qubits | how do i launch it easil |
| 04:14.06 | qubits | like with control+esc |
| 04:14.49 | qubits | man backtrack 5 r1 isnt eating my memory and ff doesnt seem to be leaking until X locks up |
| 04:14.57 | qubits | backtrack > fedora ! |
| 04:15.17 | qubits | sup itsnotabigtruck , it's me f0x ;) |
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| 04:15.56 | itsnotabigtruck | qubits: lol, hey |
| 04:16.05 | chenbing | hi all ,is Ubuntu's easycam2 will work for a squeeze_xfce4 ? |
| 04:16.24 | itsnotabigtruck | qubits: don't think there's any built-in shortcut but there's probably some way you can bind it |
| 04:16.29 | qubits | there was an update for ff recently pushed to my winbox |
| 04:16.33 | qubits | i think 8 is out |
| 04:17.01 | chenbing | anybody know of webcam? |
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| 04:18.14 | chenbing | qubits: I receive it too in debian |
| 04:18.27 | qubits | oic |
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| 04:23.13 | itsnotabigtruck | well that's awesome, installing selinux on a fresh load of testing |
| 04:23.18 | itsnotabigtruck | then doing setenforce 1 |
| 04:23.25 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently causes login to hang after entering a username |
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| 04:24.28 | qubits | fedora uses it |
| 04:24.41 | qubits | im encrypting all my systems, android included |
| 04:24.49 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, but i don't feel like using fedora |
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| 04:25.27 | pappe | brm brm brm brm |
| 04:25.32 | pappe | trööööö |
| 04:25.37 | pappe | oh fc |
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| 04:42.09 | yagoo | hey hey hey!! |
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| 04:44.26 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, debian testing + selinux = effed up beyond all repair |
| 04:44.32 | peterrooney | furgar: lisp |
| 04:44.45 | itsnotabigtruck | i was expecting problems but turning on enforcing mode with the default policy and a barebones installation = absolutely nothing works |
| 04:44.46 | itsnotabigtruck | even login |
| 04:44.54 | itsnotabigtruck | clearly no one is testing any of this |
| 04:46.03 | yagoo | anyone using raid here? |
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| 04:54.07 | civillian | itsnotabigtruck: I think you just tested it! |
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| 05:13.36 | arghx | !tell itsnotabigtruck about anyone |
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| 05:13.49 | arghx | itsnotabigtruck: have you tried selinux under squeeze? |
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| 05:15.55 | derric | What's the easiest MathCad equivalent available for Debian? |
| 05:16.52 | itsnotabigtruck | arghx: nope, because sending my actual system back a few years isn't really an option |
| 05:17.28 | ChrisPartridge | derric: maxima? |
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| 05:18.37 | derric | ChrisPartridge: I'll check that. I've been using extcalc and the integration seems a bit wonky. |
| 05:19.21 | derric | ChrisPartridge: It's disagreeing with the online Mathematica calculator significantly. |
| 05:20.32 | ChrisPartridge | extcalc is? |
| 05:23.14 | furgar | peterrooney: never heard of that one before |
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| 05:25.53 | chenbing | where is gspca-source or gspca-modules-2.6-486?I can't apt-get |
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| 05:28.31 | arghx | chenbing: it's already in the kernel. if you run a 2.6.32-5-486 kernel I suggest you use the -686 kernel |
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| 05:29.51 | chenbing | arghx: I use 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 05:30.45 | arghx | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gspca&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=i386 as you can see, the kernel already comes with the gspca modules |
| 05:30.53 | chenbing | arghx: I just install a minum-mode only laptop-utils and basic-utils,then install xfc4 manully |
| 05:30.54 | arghx | which webcam do you have? what's its ID? |
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| 05:31.37 | chenbing | arghx: My webcam is running now ,but a low-level picture qualification |
| 05:32.09 | arghx | which cam is it? |
| 05:32.21 | chenbing | arghx: it's a made-in-china webcam,so ...you know,I will try to search for it |
| 05:32.43 | arghx | chenbing: lsusb. that gives you the usb id which is the important part |
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| 05:33.04 | arghx | then you can google it and see which driver exactly and what version you need to make it work properly |
| 05:34.49 | chenbing | arghx: Pixart Imaging, Inc. ,it's made in taiwan |
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| 05:35.04 | chenbing | arghx: Bus 003 Device 049: ID 093a:2700 Pixart Imaging, Inc. |
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| 05:36.13 | chenbing | arghx: you mean even gspca is including the driver for it possibily? |
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| 05:36.18 | chenbing | is not |
| 05:38.20 | arghx | your 093a:2700 is a uvc supported device, not gspca |
| 05:38.29 | arghx | http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ see this |
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| 05:44.42 | chenbing | arghx: yes,I located this site ,but it's said already integrated into kernal,I maybe skip these package when installing,how can I rechoice this? |
| 05:45.31 | nsadmin | , versions linuxsampler |
| 05:45.33 | judd | No package named 'linuxsampler' was found in i386. |
| 05:45.40 | arghx | it's already in kernel, no drivers to add chenbing |
| 05:45.43 | arghx | ,info cheese |
| 05:45.44 | judd | Package cheese (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: A tool to take pictures and videos from your webcam. Version: 2.30.1-2; Size: 133.9k; Installed: 316k; Homepage: http://live.gnome.org/Cheese/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/cheese |
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| 05:51.13 | chenbing | I installed a camorama,judd,thanks and thank u ,arghx ,you are helpful |
| 05:52.09 | unforgiven512 | So I'm not entirely sure how I feel about GNOME 3, yet... |
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| 06:00.35 | nsadmin | what's the package name for linuxsampler? btw, apt-cache search sampler shows packages related to it, but not itself |
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| 06:05.29 | arghx | chenbing: no, it works the same for every channel normally |
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| 06:06.49 | arghx | nsadmin: install qsampler? |
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| 06:10.32 | nsadmin | I thought qsqmpler was just a front end |
| 06:10.52 | arghx | it is, but it would drag in whatever dependencies it needs, no? |
| 06:12.23 | nsadmin | hmm, hat's a hought |
| 06:12.27 | nsadmin | err that's a thouygt |
| 06:12.36 | nsadmin | , depends qsampler |
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| 06:12.39 | judd | Package qsampler in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgig6, liblscp2, libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6. |
| 06:12.43 | arghx | check the description of libgig6 |
| 06:12.50 | arghx | especially the "creates" part :) |
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| 06:13.06 | nsadmin | isn't that gigasampler? |
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| 06:14.25 | nsadmin | bottom line is I don't care that much which sampler I get to start with, but I would like to see the details of each... |
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| 06:23.02 | nsadmin | hmm. libgig IS the linuxsampler backend? |
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| 06:23.51 | aussa | hi, have any of you used bumblebee for hybrid graphics, I'm trying to install it but I don't know if I should install nvidia drivers the debian way or the nvidia installer way |
| 06:24.40 | somiaj | aussa: I'd install them the debian way. I don't think it should matter. What hybrid graphics? |
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| 06:30.36 | unforgiven512 | Can someone help me with apt pinning? I really have been trying to figure it out, but I'm having a hell of a time with it. |
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| 06:31.02 | arghx | unforgiven512: what do you want to accomplish with pinning? |
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| 06:31.14 | somiaj | unforgiven512: what are you trying to pin? Are you mixing stable and testing? |
| 06:31.17 | unforgiven512 | Default repository: testing |
| 06:31.28 | unforgiven512 | Some packages from unstable, some from experimental |
| 06:31.49 | unforgiven512 | To my understanding |
| 06:32.02 | unforgiven512 | I set APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 06:32.03 | arghx | !enter |
| 06:32.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:32.14 | unforgiven512 | aah I always forget that. |
| 06:33.01 | somiaj | unforgiven512: I would choose between testing or unstable, that way when you run across bugs and file reports they are actually not due to mixing packages. |
| 06:33.24 | unforgiven512 | Then I set under /etc/apt/preferences.d/filename: Package: * Pin: release unstable Pin-Priority: 200; Package: * Pin: release experimental Pin-Priority: 150 |
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| 06:33.38 | arghx | unforgiven512: especially at this point in time, there isn't really a big difference from unstable to tssting |
| 06:33.56 | somiaj | unforgiven512: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences -- have you read that? |
| 06:33.56 | unforgiven512 | Ok, I can appreciate that. |
| 06:34.03 | unforgiven512 | somiaj: Quite a few times. |
| 06:34.14 | unforgiven512 | Now, is mixing testing and experimental "ok"? |
| 06:34.38 | arghx | unforgiven512: but if you want to show us what you did: put the file(s) in a pastebin. then one can see it directly as it is, not lots of small messages on a single line in irc |
| 06:34.49 | somiaj | unforgiven512: why testing over sid in that case? Problem is experimental packages are compiled against sid dependencies, and once testing freezes this could lead to issues. |
| 06:35.03 | arghx | considering it's "no ok" to run experimental at all, that question is purely academic... |
| 06:35.18 | arghx | somiaj: scratch the "could" part |
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| 06:36.45 | somiaj | arghx: good point!! :D |
| 06:37.19 | dioz_ | things break lots |
| 06:37.24 | dioz_ | in experimental |
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| 06:38.17 | somiaj | well by definition if a package is in experimental its too broken to be in sid, which is saying something |
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| 06:39.50 | HektoR | Hello guys. i have Debian 6 installed on my laptop. and i can |
| 06:40.04 | dioz_ | nice! |
| 06:40.27 | HektoR | Hello guys. i have Debian 6 installed on my laptop. and i can't start wireless connection with ifup wlan0 ( i can see wlan0 with iwconfig but not with ifconfig ) how can i UP my wireless connections ? |
| 06:40.47 | somiaj | HektoR: check 'dmesg' -- many wireless cards require non-free firmware |
| 06:40.56 | arghx | what wlan chip? what encryption and how did you configure your wpasupplicant? |
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| 06:41.25 | somiaj | HektoR: if you see firmware errors in 'demsg' you'll need to install the missing firmware from the non-free repo |
| 06:41.39 | unforgiven512 | arghx, somiaj, dioz_: There's just a few packages I'd like to use. |
| 06:42.46 | HektoR | arghx : i have intel 4965 agn ... |
| 06:42.48 | somiaj | unforgiven512: understandable, I'm just saying that mixing isn't a good idea (espically for bug reports and the likes -- bugs because of mixing aren't a debian issue, but other bugs should be reported since you are 'testing' after all. |
| 06:43.06 | arghx | HektoR: and firmware for it is installed? /msg dpkg iwlagn |
| 06:43.10 | Harlekin | Hello, i run debian on my root server with a custom kernel. will apt-get upgrade overwrite my customkernel? as it show me this list of packages going to be updated: http://pastebin.com/CSHXm9pU |
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| 06:43.33 | somiaj | unforgiven512: if you want to install testing, I would look at the dependeices of the experemental packages. If they require stuff from sid you may want to backport it, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 06:43.52 | unforgiven512 | The arduino IDE is not in testing, for some reason (it used to be). I'd prefer the package from experimental, but I'm pretty sure it has dependencies from sid. Do you guys generally regard it as safe to use sid? I'm an experienced Linux user, I know what I'm doing, I understand that things will break. But, is it pretty much usable on a day to day basis? |
| 06:44.00 | somiaj | Harlekin: depends, but stable wont' ever upgrade its base kernel |
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| 06:44.09 | unforgiven512 | The only thing I've really had trouble with, Debian-wise, is apt pinning. I've never understood it. |
| 06:44.10 | arghx | Harlekin: what is the package name of your custom kernel? |
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| 06:44.50 | arghx | unforgiven512: currently, testing is as usable as unstable. both are a game of chance everytime you do a apt-get upgrade |
| 06:44.53 | Harlekin | not sure if that is what you was asking for |
| 06:44.53 | Harlekin | 2.6.36homer01 |
| 06:44.59 | somiaj | Harlekin: if you have the meta package install linux-image-2.6 this will point and pull in the newest kernel. While linux-2.6.32-5-amd64 for example wll only point to patches against that paticular kernel. |
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| 06:45.23 | unforgiven512 | arghx: I've been using testing for about 8 months now, only a few issues here and there. |
| 06:45.26 | arghx | Harlekin: dpkg -l |grep linux-image what is the name of your custom kernel there? |
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| 06:46.00 | arghx | unforgiven512: multiarch, X11 ABI, gnome3,... all current testing issues |
| 06:46.11 | Harlekin | arghx, http://pastebin.com/zByhYMGa |
| 06:46.14 | unforgiven512 | I've managed to fix all of them (in due time). I know better than to submit bug reports on mixed packages, that's the equivalent of submitting a bug report on an automatically-built nightly-build. |
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| 06:47.16 | unforgiven512 | arghx: The X11 ABI is a fun one. Multiarch was too, with some build issues (building Android ROMs) |
| 06:47.33 | HektoR | arghx: thanks ... i installed firmwares from this link http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn#Squeeze and it works now ... |
| 06:47.38 | arghx | Harlekin: won't get overwritten, but grub could be another matter. |
| 06:48.01 | unforgiven512 | I must say, I'm disappointed (in a way) to see sun-java6-jdk leave the official repositories. But, I know *why* it needed done. Installing Sun Java from their binary release just...sucks. |
| 06:48.03 | arghx | unforgiven512: sid is about the same, just a bit earlier. apt-listbugs can help |
| 06:48.23 | arghx | unforgiven512: oracle sucks, nothing one can do about it |
| 06:48.57 | unforgiven512 | Yeah, I know. Sun was a much better company (relatively speaking). |
| 06:49.03 | Harlekin | arghx, thanks for help. |
| 06:49.04 | somiaj | I actually find sid easier to deal with then testing, sure there is a higher chance of a random grave bug, but it gets security and bug fixes much faster. I personally suggest that over testing if you want to run bleeding edge debian. |
| 06:49.35 | Guest81762 | Hi, the Preferences (system -> Preferences) disappear, how to restore it? |
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| 06:49.48 | unforgiven512 | somiaj: Just remove testing sources.list lines, and do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:50.05 | unforgiven512 | And sid/unstable is a rolling-release, yes? |
| 06:50.08 | somiaj | unforgiven512: correct, if you want to run sid dist-upgrade to it. |
| 06:50.10 | arghx | unforgiven512: you shouldn't have to ask how to run sid :) |
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| 06:50.21 | arghx | sid is no "release" |
| 06:50.21 | somiaj | unforgiven512: debian dose not have a rolling release (look into debian cut for that -- though this is a few years out) |
| 06:50.34 | unforgiven512 | I know what I'm doing, I just don't know how my packages will cope with the upgrade. |
| 06:50.54 | unforgiven512 | Well sid is never a "release", so it's rolling. |
| 06:51.15 | somiaj | unforgiven512: sid is a moving target. just make sure you have apt-listbugs and backup sensitive data -- though I haven't had sid completely hose my system (been running the same sid install on my desktop for 6+ years), it has in the past. |
| 06:51.22 | unforgiven512 | Whereas stable has it's freeze, and only major bug fixes and security patches get applied. |
| 06:51.44 | arghx | somiaj: when did it do that in the past? new filesystems? |
| 06:51.56 | unforgiven512 | I don't know... I'll probably install it in a VM, play around with it for a few days, and then make my decision based off of that. |
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| 06:52.15 | unforgiven512 | I'm looking forward to GNOME 3.2, but that seems a while off, yet. |
| 06:52.23 | somiaj | unforgiven512: I am personally looking forward to debian cut, an offical rolling release that isn't contsatally moving and will have some sort of securty/bug team working on it |
| 06:52.38 | unforgiven512 | somiaj: I'm going to check that out. |
| 06:52.40 | technologov | somiaj, Debian "stable" |
| 06:52.55 | somiaj | arghx: I forget the exact details, I started using debian sid/linux in 2000, but always heard horry stories about the early days of sid randomally deleteing peoples /home partition. |
| 06:52.55 | arghx | > http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/Palm-Pixi-Phone-/16672.aspx |
| 06:53.13 | arghx | sorry, very bad paste from another channel. sorry |
| 06:53.15 | technologov | unforgiven512, Fedora 16 came out with GNOME 3.2... maybe Debian-unstable have this too, not sure. |
| 06:53.34 | Dewi | I've never really understood why sid seems so much more popular than testing |
| 06:53.34 | unforgiven512 | I've thought about doing Gentoo or something...but I just love apt. |
| 06:53.38 | Dewi | I mean it's what... 2 weeks behind? |
| 06:53.40 | Dewi | basically nothing |
| 06:54.13 | somiaj | Dewi: sid gets much faster bug/security fixes, testing you have to wait for them to filter though sid |
| 06:54.31 | technologov | unforgiven512, u can run Fedora 16 VM inside Debian-stable (using VBox+3D acceleration to see GNOME-shell) |
| 06:54.34 | arghx | Dewi: not totally. first people who want testing, want NEW stuff. why use 2 weeks old stuff. and testing sometimes doesn't get stuff for a long time due to bugs or such. especially things like fglrx or nvidia drivers |
| 06:54.46 | technologov | so u get both stability + sneak peek into future tech. |
| 06:54.52 | somiaj | Dewi: so if something breaks in testing it takes longer for the fix to filter down. If you want bleeding edge sid is my suggestion, If you want to test the new release and eventally stabalize with it, use testing. |
| 06:54.52 | Dewi | arghx: because generally more QA is good? |
| 06:55.26 | dioz_ | use lenny |
| 06:55.26 | arghx | testing you don't really get much more QA at all :) when it's frozen: sure. in its current form, not so much |
| 06:56.33 | technologov | "eventually" ha ha :) very long wait for such event :) |
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| 06:56.49 | Dewi | somiaj: is debian CUT intended to replace testing in its current form? |
| 06:56.49 | unforgiven512 | So, give or take, about how often does sid "break"? |
| 06:57.03 | somiaj | sid is more likely to get grave bugs, but some bugs to make it into testing, and due to packages flowing into testing, sometimes testing gets bugs that didn't show up in sid. |
| 06:57.21 | arghx | just like testing,it breaks mostly with simple dependency errors |
| 06:57.39 | somiaj | unforgiven512: for me, every upgrade I have something to fix, but really I upgrade once every few months. (usually upgrade when I want to install new software, and if it seems buggy first thing I do is completely upgrade my ssytem) |
| 06:57.52 | Dewi | unforgiven512: if 6-monthly sounds good, I'd go ubuntu before I'd go testing or unstable |
| 06:57.55 | somiaj | apt-listbugs is a must, and the bts, you can usually find fixes to your bug there. |
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| 06:57.57 | Dewi | but that's just me |
| 06:58.00 | Dewi | I like my systems not broken |
| 06:58.17 | unforgiven512 | I don't mind some breakage. I enjoy fixing things. :) |
| 06:58.27 | unforgiven512 | Sometimes, they just choose inconvenient times to occur. |
| 06:58.48 | somiaj | Dewi: unbuntu breaks more often than not, and 6 month upgrades seem to not go smoothly for many (in my experience, I'm always fixing my friends unbutu boxes every 6 months when the new release comes out) |
| 06:58.51 | Dewi | well, you can choose when to run apt-get upgrade |
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| 06:59.13 | unforgiven512 | And...my Linux history: Knoppix Live CD --> Debian stable --> Debian testing --> Ubuntu 9.04-11.04 --> (get pissed at Ubuntu 11.04 and Unity) --> Debian testing |
| 06:59.21 | somiaj | unforgiven512: really I don't see the point to upgrading once a day or what ever. If the computer is running well leave it alone. |
| 06:59.33 | technologov | unforgiven512, what if some component breaks, that u have no understanding in? deb or libc or udev or .. something very low level system service... ? |
| 06:59.35 | arghx | agrees with somiaj |
| 06:59.47 | Dewi | somiaj: 30 mins every 6 months is a lot less maint than 2 hours when sid does something random |
| 06:59.51 | unforgiven512 | somiaj: I usually update once a week or so, unless I'm looking forward to a package. Or if I have a metric shit-ton of updates. |
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| 07:00.05 | arghx | I install when I ned new stuff, I upgrade when I need something or have a little time to burn in case something goes wrong |
| 07:00.07 | unforgiven512 | (and I'm not working on an important project) |
| 07:00.11 | arghx | this goes for both testing and unstable |
| 07:00.12 | technologov | (I run Debian-stable + self-compile stuff that I really want bleeding-edge, even Alpha version) |
| 07:00.23 | somiaj | also keep old deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives (don't run apt-get clean -- I run apt-get autoclean once I have sid running well to delete out the older versions, but having a privious version to fall on if an upgrade goes bad is a life saver (made the abi bug easy for me to deal with when it hit) |
| 07:00.33 | Dewi | somiaj: and it defies all logic to claim that ubuntu, which is actually tested before release, would be more broken than sid, upon which it is based, which is not... |
| 07:00.38 | technologov | This way I only fight with bugs of OSS software, that I understand, not random bugs. |
| 07:00.57 | unforgiven512 | With the ABI bug, I decided to drop from fglrx to radeon |
| 07:01.09 | unforgiven512 | I don't have a *need* for fglrx |
| 07:01.26 | technologov | Ubuntu is a joke... even LTS series... They dropped "kdevelop" package from release for no good reason. |
| 07:01.37 | unforgiven512 | Sure, I have an awesomely powerful ATI Radeon HD 6850...but...I don't really do any 3D stuff anymore. |
| 07:01.53 | Dewi | technologov: packages get dropped all the time. |
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| 07:02.03 | technologov | but 'kdevelop' ? |
| 07:02.09 | unforgiven512 | technologov: I don't really understand Ubuntu's (Canonical's) logic on a lot of things. |
| 07:02.12 | Dewi | I have never heard of it before this moment, so yeah |
| 07:02.12 | technologov | Important packages should be kept. |
| 07:02.42 | technologov | BTW: Does Debian ppl attemp to port Ubuntu's Unity to Debian ? |
| 07:02.54 | technologov | (it could be nice as an option, not as default) |
| 07:03.30 | technologov | I heard it requires brand new and buggy compiz for Unity to work, which complicates porting efforts (Fedora and openSUSE both gave up) |
| 07:03.37 | somiaj | technologov: at this time, most likely not. gnome3 is going to give the devs a hard enough time when wheezy starts to freeze. Maybe after that it might be an option, but that is a ways out. |
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| 07:05.21 | technologov | BTW: Why Debian 'unstable' has GNOME 3.0, while Fedora released GNOME 3.2 ? |
| 07:05.52 | tensorpudding | technologov, there's an effort to port project ayatana to debian, they've ported software-center for instance |
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| 07:07.27 | somiaj | Debian is less tied to gnome than fedora in some sense, on the other its a lot harder to get packages into debian (mostly due to the wide number of arches debian supports) it just takes long to ensure that gnome works on them. |
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| 07:08.11 | tensorpudding | debian started integrating 3.0 before 3.2 was out |
| 07:08.24 | tensorpudding | they're going to update it to 3.2 rather quickly |
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| 07:08.40 | tensorpudding | now that 3.0 is in there |
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| 07:11.46 | somiaj | wheezy freeze is still a ways out, there is a lot of time, I'm hoping for another release of gnome 3 by that time to fix some of the issues |
| 07:12.04 | technologov | where is all the testing of GNOME 3.2 happens? In Debian 'experimental' branch or on developer's machines ? |
| 07:12.20 | technologov | (without central location) |
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| 07:16.46 | somiaj | exerimental is not a brach/release, its a place where packages to buggy for sid can be put for brave souls and testers as they integrate them into debian |
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| 07:17.55 | somiaj | technologov: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html |
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| 07:19.43 | technologov | thx |
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| 07:45.19 | SUBURBAN | hi |
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| 08:04.50 | metaperl | Im getting a 404 not found error when attempting to intall some python libraries on debian/testing ... http://pastie.org/pastes/2840526/text |
| 08:05.10 | nikihr | Hey, i installed kde-core yesterday.. i want to remove it completly, with what command? |
| 08:05.36 | arghx | !tell nikihr about remove kde |
| 08:06.26 | paul4 | guys, how do I know which app has blocked my sound? :) |
| 08:06.31 | arghx | metaperl: apt-get update and try again. if it still doesn't work, choose another mirror |
| 08:06.44 | arghx | paul4: lsof, fuser |
| 08:06.59 | metaperl | yes, it's interesting that apt-get suggests to call apt-get update, but aptitude didnt suggest that |
| 08:07.09 | metaperl | I thought aptitude was the more user-friendly up to date tool |
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| 08:09.14 | paul4 | arghx, something simpler maybe?:) |
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| 08:11.45 | paul4 | arghx, or more graphical :) |
| 08:12.12 | arghx | paul4: what is your sound device that is blocked? |
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| 08:13.21 | paul4 | arghx, the only one I have - HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) |
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| 08:27.08 | jemadux | i want to install java in my desktop... do u know how to do that ??? i got debian testing |
| 08:28.16 | somiaj | jemadux: openJDK is the open source java. If you want what was formally sun's java (now orcal) you have to get it from them, its been removed from debian |
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| 08:34.32 | somiaj | jemadux: you could use snapshot.debian.org to get one of the sun java packages before it was removed, but that of coure wont' be supported. (: |
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| 08:38.56 | jemadux | somiaj: thanks but i think that openJDK works fine |
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| 08:41.06 | jemadux | do we know when iceweasel will be on testing ??? |
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| 08:41.32 | jemadux | iceweasel 8 |
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| 08:42.48 | arghx | jemadux: have you checked mozilla.debian.net? |
| 08:42.53 | arghx | ,versions iceweasel |
| 08:42.54 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-10~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; wheezy: 7.0.1-4; sid: 8.0-3 |
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| 08:43.06 | arghx | jemadux: around 14 days until it's in testing |
| 08:43.32 | somiaj | check the bts or http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html -- unless there isn't any major bug it'll drop into testing after its trial period |
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| 08:51.12 | jemadux | arghx: yup i checked.... no worries... i can wait ... |
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| 08:52.25 | DannyButterman | Hi there |
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| 08:53.10 | DannyButterman | I'm getting this warning when installing say, vtun : update-rc.d: warning: vtun stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none) |
| 08:54.04 | DannyButterman | This is after I updated a init.d script to make it LSB compliant (google-sitemap-generator) |
| 08:54.13 | DannyButterman | Can someone help me ? |
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| 08:56.45 | arghx | DannyButterman: if you remove google-sitemap-generator from init scripts, it's gone again? |
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| 08:57.48 | DannyButterman | arghx: I try it at once, please wait |
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| 09:03.02 | Dnalor_lb | hello, having trouble with subversion. as root i can commit/svn cleanup. but as my user i get permission denied.. ive checked the permissions of directories and theyre all set to www-data except htaccess |
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| 09:09.35 | jemadux | where i can find libhunspell-1.2-0 ?? |
| 09:09.39 | DannyButterman | arghx: as a matter of fact, google-sitemap-generator does not seem to be the culprit. Upon removing GSG, and reinstalling vtun, the same warning is issued. Should I try to set "0 1 6" in its header instead of nothing, then I have this warning : "insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (empty) of script `vtun' overwrites defaults (0 1 6)." |
| 09:11.32 | arghx | is this vtun a debian package? |
| 09:12.10 | DannyButterman | arghx: absolutely, from 'apt-get install vtun' |
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| 09:12.38 | peterrooney | jemadux: apt-file can tell you all. aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search libhunspell-1.2-0 |
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| 09:13.40 | DannyButterman | arghx: thats why I assume there is some problem elsewhere, perhaps more serious, possibly linked to GSG and its script LSBization |
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| 09:21.01 | lkthomas | hey guys, I am trying to do chown, but it doesn't work saying operation not permitted |
| 09:21.03 | lkthomas | it's NFS dir |
| 09:21.34 | somiaj | well is it an NFS file system, if so do you have primisisions to change things on it? |
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| 09:22.52 | jemadux | peterrooney: i couldnt find that |
| 09:23.05 | lkthomas | yes |
| 09:23.10 | lkthomas | I could create and delete files |
| 09:23.24 | lkthomas | but the owner is some kind of random number |
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| 09:25.01 | e_ | hi guys |
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| 09:25.56 | somiaj | lkthomas: appears you can have nfs setup to squashs to a paticular user, look at your /etc/exports file, do you have an anongid or anything liek that set? |
| 09:26.32 | e_ | i'm coming from adminstrating redhat machines to debian.. haven't used debian in ages, and now i'm having problems getting services to start on boot. update-rc.d service start 2 3 4 5 is what i'm doing right now, but the service is not being brought up on a reboot. |
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| 09:28.35 | somiaj | e_: well you can verify the links where made, check /etc/rc?.d/ -- could it be an issue with the actual init script as opposed to linking the right runlevel? |
| 09:28.57 | lkthomas | somiaj, it's a NAS appliance |
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| 09:29.39 | e_ | somiaj: yeah, no links have been made. but i thought the links weren't used with the current init system anymore anyway? |
| 09:29.51 | somiaj | e_: does /etc/init.d/<service> start -- start the service |
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| 09:29.58 | e_ | somiaj: inittab says runlevel 2 as default which was included in the list i gave update-rc.d |
| 09:30.07 | e_ | yes, if i start the service manually it works fine |
| 09:30.08 | somiaj | e_: all update-rc.d is create the links based of the init script header (or manual overrides) |
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| 09:30.25 | e_ | scratches his head |
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| 09:30.41 | somiaj | if the links aren't being made are you getting any errors from update-rc.d? |
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| 09:31.19 | e_ | no error, just a warning |
| 09:31.37 | e_ | first "using dependence based boot sequencing" and: update-rc.d: warning: greenbone-security-assistant stop runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 6) |
| 09:32.30 | somiaj | e_: seems you are missing a priority, its update-rc.d foobar start <priority> <run levels> -- so it is using 2 as your priority and putting it in run levesl 3,4,5? |
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| 09:33.31 | e_ | oh right |
| 09:33.42 | e_ | hm, i think i've run it with 20 as priority before though |
| 09:33.42 | somiaj | e_: for most situations this info is in the lsb headder of the script, so udpate-rc.d foobar defaults should be enough |
| 09:33.45 | e_ | just was a typo here |
| 09:34.06 | e_ | no, i've checked the lsb headers and it doesn't include any defaults for start, only 0 and 6 for stop |
| 09:35.00 | somiaj | e_: from the mange page, did you specify the stop run levels. "update-rc.d foobar start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 ." |
| 09:35.26 | e_ | no i didn't, do i have to do both? |
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| 09:35.42 | somiaj | not sure, I'm just looking though the man page. I have always gotten away with defaults. |
| 09:36.03 | e_ | defaults didn't do anything either for me |
| 09:36.10 | e_ | misses chkconfig :) |
| 09:36.37 | somiaj | well add the defaults to the lsb header, though I'd look down the warning or try to track down why it isn't creating the links |
| 09:36.54 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts for info on the header. |
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| 09:37.18 | e_ | hm, since i want to be able to do things like in the future i rather not modify headers of files that are part of packages and not configuration :) |
| 09:37.23 | e_ | yes, i know LSB headers :) |
| 09:37.24 | e_ | thanks |
| 09:38.15 | somiaj | I cannot see why the links aren't being created, is this for stable? |
| 09:38.37 | e_ | for stable? |
| 09:39.01 | somiaj | debian stable? testing/sid the proirty system has been changed and its no longer 00-99 |
| 09:39.21 | e_ | ah, it's 6.0.x |
| 09:39.26 | e_ | i guess that's stable? |
| 09:39.29 | somiaj | correct |
| 09:40.05 | e_ | straces update-rc.d |
| 09:40.36 | somiaj | you can manually create the links, but I would figure out why update-rc.d errors out (that gets called by packages when they are installed/removed) |
| 09:40.40 | niklaswe | how can i do si nfs doesn't hang the server if the nfs is unaviable |
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| 09:42.23 | e_ | somiaj: but i thought they were just legacy and should not be used any more? |
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| 09:43.52 | somiaj | e_: I haven't heard that, but update-rc.d install/removes the links. |
| 09:44.27 | e_ | is confused now |
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| 09:47.30 | DannyButterman | e_: have you tried insserv -d /etc/init.d/<servicename> upon modification of your script header ? |
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| 09:48.59 | e_ | danny: no, but its not my script, it's openvas |
| 09:49.14 | e_ | danny: and i haven't modified the headers yet, do i really have to do that to add it to a runlevel? |
| 09:49.33 | e_ | thinks modifying an init script to make it start in a runlevel sounds like a bad idea and bad practice |
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| 09:50.58 | DannyButterman | e_ : I had to for vtun, which is nevertheless a standard debian package. |
| 09:51.11 | e_ | weiurd |
| 09:51.14 | e_ | *weird |
| 09:51.22 | somiaj | e_: sure, but initscripts should have reasonable defaults. I'm surprised there aren't any there. |
| 09:51.57 | e_ | yeah also weird |
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| 09:52.39 | themill | e_: is this an upgrade of etch or lenny to squeeze |
| 09:52.52 | e_ | nope |
| 09:53.19 | e_ | its actually one of the suggested images to run on amazon ec2 i got from the debian wiki |
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| 09:54.50 | e_ | and the openvas stuff i've installed aftgerwards |
| 09:54.54 | e_ | -g |
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| 09:56.04 | themill | e_: did you read /usr/share/doc/openvas-server/README.Debian.gz? |
| 09:56.18 | e_ | themill: not yet, let me take aloiok |
| 09:56.30 | themill | it (a) recommends against starting automatically on boot and (b) tells you how to get it to start automatically on boot |
| 09:56.32 | e_ | a look |
| 09:56.43 | e_ | ahÂ! great |
| 09:56.49 | e_ | thanks |
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| 09:57.47 | e_ | ehm i don't have /usr/share/doc/openvas-server |
| 09:58.08 | themill | isn't that the package you're talking about? |
| 09:58.22 | somiaj | did you install the openvas-server package? -- /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> is a part of every package (contains useful info) |
| 09:58.29 | e_ | i have openvas-administrator, openvas-cli, openvas-clienbt, openvas-manager, openvas-plugins and openvas-scanner |
| 09:58.49 | e_ | which is what the openvas quick install told me to install |
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| 09:59.01 | themill | I imagine they all have the same README.Debian |
| 09:59.31 | e_ | thankcd .. |
| 09:59.35 | e_ | uops |
| 09:59.50 | e_ | no, no README.Debian here |
| 10:00.05 | themill | e_: exactly which package is this init script for then? "openvas" is too vague |
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| 10:00.20 | somiaj | and what is the process starting if you haven't installed the server? |
| 10:00.35 | themill | ,file init.d/openvas |
| 10:00.38 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:00.44 | themill | slaps judd |
| 10:01.28 | themill | hmm... most of the other openvas init scripts are in experimental, not squeeze. |
| 10:01.43 | themill | The output of "aptitude versions ~nopenvas" might be useful to see about now |
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| 10:03.22 | Tom13 | Hello can someone tell me how to do a network install of Debian or link me to a guide? I tried the ones on the website, but it doesn't really tell me what to do. |
| 10:03.24 | e_ | greenbone-security-assistant, openvas-scanner for example |
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| 10:04.06 | e_ | i was using greenbone-security-assintant as an example.. |
| 10:04.12 | somiaj | Tom13: grab a netinstall iso (you can burn it to a cd/dvd or put it on a usb drive) and boot off of it. Read the install guide |
| 10:04.22 | Tom13 | no |
| 10:04.35 | somiaj | Tom13: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 10:04.42 | Tom13 | That's not what I'm asking for |
| 10:05.15 | Tom13 | I don't have any USB slots of a cd drive |
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| 10:05.19 | Tom13 | or* |
| 10:06.53 | somiaj | Tom13: what do you have? Do you have a *nix running on that machien already? |
| 10:06.53 | Tom13 | You set up a TFTP and a DHCP (or BOOTP, or RARP) server which will serve the installation media to machines on your local network. If your client machine's BIOS supports it, you can then boot the Debian installation system from the network (using PXE and TFTP), and proceed with installing the rest of Debian from the network. |
| 10:06.53 | Tom13 | yea |
| 10:07.15 | Tom13 | wait no |
| 10:07.43 | Tom13 | i have linux on this laptop, but i have an old desktop that i need to install linux on that has no cd drive, usb etc |
| 10:07.45 | somiaj | Tom13: you can use debootstrap and just put debian on another patition, and then set it up to boot. -- As for network booting that is something I haven't messed with (and is not what most mean by network install) |
| 10:08.25 | Tom13 | it's a totally different computer |
| 10:08.27 | somiaj | Tom13: can you take the hardrive out of the desktop and connect it to your laptop via a usb bay? That and debootstrap would be my suggestion. |
| 10:08.32 | Tom13 | nope |
| 10:09.01 | somiaj | Tom13: well I can't be of much more help. Though one last question, you are positive this desktop supports network booting? |
| 10:09.16 | Tom13 | yes |
| 10:09.22 | Tom13 | its an option in the BIOS |
| 10:09.51 | Tom13 | i see |
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| 10:11.07 | Tom13 | brb |
| 10:11.29 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:11.37 | Agiofws | is anyone here using icedove ? |
| 10:11.50 | arghx | !anyone |
| 10:11.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 10:15.08 | somiaj | Tom13: did you follow the link to the instructions manual (for your arch) on how to do this? |
| 10:16.24 | somiaj | Tom13: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-netboot |
| 10:18.22 | Agiofws | is there an option to send a something like batch email to a certain number of receipt-ants ? |
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| 10:19.46 | Tom13 | complicated somiaj |
| 10:19.51 | Tom13 | but thanks, ill have a read |
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| 10:21.08 | somiaj | Tom13: yea I wouldn't call it an ideal situation. Might want to check out A.2.4. seems if there is an os there already you can boot up off the harddisk. Though my suggestion is put the harddisk in another computer, and do the install from there. |
| 10:21.19 | somiaj | Tom13: (which I guess isn't an option for you either) |
| 10:21.40 | Tom13 | all i have is a laptop |
| 10:21.47 | Tom13 | the other computer uses IDE |
| 10:21.58 | arghx | Tom13: what is on that other computer? what OS? |
| 10:22.02 | Tom13 | nothing |
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| 10:22.48 | somiaj | Tom13: there are ide -> usb drive bays. What about a floppy drive? |
| 10:23.00 | Tom13 | nope |
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| 10:23.20 | Tom13 | i guess ill just read on this today and give it a shot |
| 10:23.25 | Tom13 | thanks for the help, gotta run |
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| 10:25.29 | enkrypt | hi! did anything change with respect to SSL in debian sid since yesterday for example? something seems to have broken my F5 Firepass (like an SSL VPN account) and I can't figure out what |
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| 10:26.07 | tarzeau | enkrypt: there's an openssl update |
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| 10:26.37 | enkrypt | tarzeau: I already downgraded my libnss, libgnutls and libssl to the debian-testing versions, but that didn't help |
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| 10:41.54 | rly | If my email client says it has not been able to deliver an email, does it mean that it indeed didn't deliver the email? |
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| 10:42.31 | Iridos | well, what do you think |
| 10:42.34 | nkuttler | rly: which client, and why do you think it lies to you? |
| 10:42.43 | rly | nkuttler: icedove. |
| 10:42.49 | rly | nkuttler: I just want to be sure. |
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| 10:43.02 | rly | nkuttler: it was already at 50% or so while sending it. |
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| 10:43.28 | rly | So, I can imagine that all the text already arrived. |
| 10:43.34 | nkuttler | well, try again then. maybe your mailserver has a size limit |
| 10:43.41 | nkuttler | rly: it doesn't work like that |
| 10:43.48 | rly | nkuttler: I was the one who canceled the message. |
| 10:43.52 | nkuttler | ... |
| 10:44.49 | Iridos | send an email asking the person if they received it |
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| 10:47.59 | jargon- | how do i test my webcam from commandline? |
| 10:48.45 | cthuluh | jargon-: luvcview, perhaps? |
| 10:48.49 | technologov | do u wanna see ur face in ncurses bits-n-bytes ? ^^ |
| 10:48.58 | technologov | (@_@) |
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| 10:49.06 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
| 10:49.57 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.05 | technologov | thunder.. |
| 10:50.21 | Agiofws | ok |
| 10:50.29 | jargon- | luvcview? |
| 10:50.49 | Maiku-kun | I get the following error when trying to get to any URL in links2: cannot assign requested address. does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 10:51.22 | Maiku-kun | also, there are some framebuffer-related errors (like couldn't open /dev/fb0) when i'm trying links2 -g |
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| 11:01.38 | jargon- | the netinstall for sid got issues. "To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": i enter Yes and nothing happens |
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| 11:02.05 | themill | dpkg: tell jargon- about install sid |
| 11:03.42 | jargon- | helpful? no |
| 11:03.45 | jargon- | smh |
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| 11:09.03 | Bacta | Will running /etc/init.d/network stop ; /etc/init.d/network start over SSH disconnect me from my server? |
| 11:10.15 | petemc | yes |
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| 11:10.45 | petemc | you can safely restart the ssh daemon, but bringing down interfaces will drop any connections |
| 11:11.02 | Bacta | So there's no way of achieving this remotely? |
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| 11:11.51 | petemc | Bacta: you could schedule something to ensure the interfaces come back up, there are risks tho |
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| 11:12.53 | Bacta | I'm reading http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Remotely-Incompetent.aspx on TDWTF and some seem to think it's safe if you use tmux or screen |
| 11:13.14 | nsadmin | Bacta: whatis /etc/init.d/network? ?exists /etc/init.d/network? |
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| 11:14.20 | petemc | Bacta: running tmux or screen wouldnt guarantee the interfaces come back up |
| 11:14.33 | petemc | but feel free to try it out.. |
| 11:14.38 | ikonia | Bacta: restart |
| 11:14.41 | ikonia | Bacta: /etc/init.d/netwworking restart |
| 11:14.53 | nsadmin | if it's a remote, are you prepared to drive 1500 miles? |
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| 11:14.56 | ikonia | Bacta: or nohup /etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:15.24 | Bacta | petemc: I might, just for kicks |
| 11:15.32 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 11:16.10 | ikonia | Bacta: or you could cron it if you want to go a little over the top with an approach |
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| 11:17.23 | Cyanure | HI. How can I disable a wifi from commandline ? |
| 11:18.42 | technologov | y |
| 11:18.44 | technologov | like: |
| 11:18.53 | technologov | # ifconfig wifi0 down |
| 11:18.59 | technologov | or whatever it is called |
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| 11:19.38 | nsadmin | umm, again, if that's a REMOTE, you might be setting him up to DRIVE SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES |
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| 11:19.44 | nsadmin | at worst that is. |
| 11:20.00 | Cyanure | technologov, that doewn't work |
| 11:20.08 | nsadmin | oic, wrong nick |
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| 11:20.20 | technologov | # ifconfig wifi0 0.0.0.0 |
| 11:20.25 | OkweL | MrFrood: mocra: and others that tryied to help, thank you very much for trying |
| 11:20.49 | OkweL | i've been bit busy for past days so couldn't come and thank for that ;) i managed everything to work |
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| 11:20.57 | technologov | should work, just like for ethernet |
| 11:20.58 | nsadmin | Cyanure, "doesn't work" is exactly meaningless. what do you mean? |
| 11:21.14 | Cyanure | technologov, it says the device isn't up |
| 11:21.15 | technologov | maybe name is different, but logically should work |
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| 11:21.27 | OkweL | the issue were nvidia drivers |
| 11:21.41 | technologov | then maybe it is already disabled |
| 11:21.52 | technologov | do # ifconfig to see |
| 11:22.40 | Cyanure | it is no more in ifconfig. I don't understand |
| 11:22.55 | technologov | # ifconfig -a |
| 11:23.16 | nsadmin | you'll then see all interfaces wheter up or down |
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| 11:24.07 | Cyanure | ok. I cdon't understand I did this command like 10 min ago and it didn't work. Thx nevertheless |
| 11:25.18 | Iridos | nsadmin, but it's ok if he likes driving |
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| 11:25.58 | smhar | greetings\ |
| 11:26.29 | smhar | I have a strange problem (s?). after my last system update, I am not able to keep my internet connection |
| 11:26.58 | nsadmin | Iridos, there's always that |
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| 11:27.07 | Bennit | Hi |
| 11:27.09 | Bennit | is it possible to specify the ssh-key directory for sshfs? |
| 11:27.10 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 11:27.12 | Bennit | (without putting them in .ssh/) |
| 11:27.23 | nsadmin | if he likes driving so much, he should get a sysad job :) |
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| 11:28.06 | Iridos | nsadmin, I'm more seriously concerned for him because he thinks following advice from the comments on a random story of a wtf-story, whoses 10-20 first posters write "first" is a good idea |
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| 11:28.17 | dury | can access my apache server from outside -> success :) |
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| 11:28.59 | smhar | this is the error I get after I try to up the eth0 again: http://paste.debian.net/144424/ |
| 11:29.03 | nsadmin | yeah, he can either exercise wisdom or else gain experience |
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| 11:29.23 | nsadmin | it's win/win! |
| 11:29.44 | dury | the router has NAT/Port Forwarding option :) |
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| 11:31.17 | Iridos | nsadmin, you got a point |
| 11:31.22 | Iridos | specially if he enjoys driving |
| 11:31.38 | nsadmin | oy, in that case win/WIN! |
| 11:31.47 | cthuluh | Bennit: using your .ssh/config, I guess |
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| 11:32.35 | nsadmin | maybe he can log into his adult friend finder acct and arrange some interesting encounters along the way |
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| 11:32.56 | dury | the thing now it's how to do FTP from outside... is it the same procedure as I did before with apache server? |
| 11:33.10 | smhar | this is my interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/144426/ |
| 11:33.17 | nsadmin | ftp is not recommended. |
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| 11:33.39 | nsadmin | use sftp or scp instead |
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| 11:35.06 | dury | nsadmin: filezilla has the option for sftp |
| 11:35.33 | smhar | this is less dmesg |grep eth0: http://paste.debian.net/144427/ |
| 11:35.36 | Bennit | cthuluh: I've tried using a separate user, but it fails, says connection reset by peer |
| 11:35.37 | cthuluh | smhar: what's the purpose of "auto eth0" near the en dof your interfaces file? |
| 11:35.44 | Bennit | online I found a simmilar problem with no fix |
| 11:35.57 | Bennit | besides placing the keys in /root/.ssh/ |
| 11:36.03 | Bennit | and running sshfs as root |
| 11:36.09 | cthuluh | gah |
| 11:36.28 | nsadmin | well that's good... because ftp is first a pain in the ass because it uses two ports without needing to, and it's also unsafe |
| 11:36.28 | cthuluh | you didn't say us what your *actual* problem is |
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| 11:41.06 | dury | nsadmin: but .. tell me...should I port forwarding for Ftp in my router as I did with apache server? |
| 11:41.43 | nsadmin | if you use sftp and you already took care of ssh, you're done |
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| 11:42.07 | nsadmin | ftp is more complicated |
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| 11:43.02 | nsadmin | you have to somehow use connection tracking in the router's iptables setup |
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| 11:45.11 | dury | nsadmin: so not port forwarding as I did with apache? |
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| 11:49.15 | smhar | cthuluh, probably a leftover from when it was a dhcp |
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| 11:50.10 | cthuluh | smhar: the "auto eth0" line should replace the "allow-hotplug eth0" line ; it should not be a part of an interface definition |
| 11:50.57 | cthuluh | dury: seriously, if you want to use ftp behind a natted box, you'll have problems. just use scp/sftp to upload files, and http to server them |
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| 11:52.39 | smhar | cthuluh, you mean like this? http://paste.debian.net/144431/ |
| 11:53.04 | cthuluh | yes |
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| 11:53.53 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 11:54.00 | Bartzy | I have a routing problem. anyone can help ? :) |
| 11:54.17 | smhar | cthuluh, and the resolv.conf? http://paste.debian.net/144433/ |
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| 11:54.58 | marsfligth | Please, how can I to delete automatically files into 'trash bin' after #xx days since were trasherd? For instance 'Thunderbird' has this function for each folder and is called 'retention policy' see the 'gui configurtion'. Thanks for help me |
| 11:55.03 | cthuluh | smhar: your resolv.conf won't prevent you from getting IP connectivity |
| 11:55.17 | webad_13 | I'm getting Couldn't parse the keyboard mapping file (null). Exiting, when I try to start directvnc. Any ideas? |
| 11:56.01 | cthuluh | marsfligth: you don't say which desktop environment you're using |
| 11:56.06 | webad_13 | this is on sid |
| 11:56.09 | cthuluh | Bartzy: no |
| 11:56.27 | robokop | dpkg, tell Bartzy about ask |
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| 11:59.05 | smhar | cthuluh, so as of now, I can safely ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 with no problems? |
| 11:59.21 | nsadmin | bartsy, until you ask a sicco question (/msg dpkg sicco) no one listening can help you... presently I consider you nonresponsive |
| 11:59.36 | michelem | hello folks. I built a initramdisk emulating debian live's boot. It mounts a flash card, then "hides" it behind an aufs union filesystem mounted on root. |
| 12:00.19 | michelem | The setup works fine, but every time I reboot I get "<flash filesystem> was not cleanly unmounted, check forced." |
| 12:00.52 | michelem | I suppose this has to do with mtab being inconsistent after the aufs mount, but how can I fix this? |
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| 12:03.39 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 12:04.08 | _michi_ | hi wfq |
| 12:04.13 | wfq | is there any way to install the java plugin for iceweasel only without having to install the java jre as I have installed manually? |
| 12:04.17 | michelem | wfq: does your nickname have anything to do with whattaf*ck ? :) |
| 12:05.15 | wfq | michelem, many people ask me about that but not it doesn't. There are other reasons behind |
| 12:05.41 | _michi_ | wfq: for your question I have no precise answr |
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| 12:06.05 | _michi_ | I trhink you can us dpkg to cheat the system in thinking the jre is installed |
| 12:06.54 | _michi_ | if you have partience, a cleaner alternative would be to create and install an empty package _providing_ jre. |
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| 12:07.41 | _michi_ | with even more patience you might roll your own package for jre (probably forbidden, though) |
| 12:08.06 | nsadmin | forbidden? by what? |
| 12:08.26 | nsadmin | just install jre and be done with it |
| 12:08.51 | wfq | what, you mean to install the jre by apt-get install? |
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| 12:09.49 | marsfligth | cthuluh: Gnome |
| 12:10.08 | _michi_ | nsadmin: if wfq picked some package at sun's, they are probably forbidding any kind of repackagaging of their software |
| 12:10.39 | rly | _michi_: on FreeBSD, you compile Java yourself. |
| 12:10.47 | _michi_ | I know :) |
| 12:10.52 | nsadmin | also if he picked a package from sun it may not work on current debian |
| 12:10.57 | _michi_ | but there is the FReeBSD foundation |
| 12:10.59 | arghx | rly: the oracle codebase? |
| 12:11.12 | _michi_ | distributing binaries for java, with sun's agreement |
| 12:11.20 | arghx | !tell wfq about equivs |
| 12:11.30 | arghx | _michi_: who is this "sun" you speak about? |
| 12:11.38 | jelly | nsadmin: why would it not work? |
| 12:12.06 | _michi_ | rly: probably best than compiling jre yourself! |
| 12:12.17 | rly | arghx: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/java/jdk16/pkg-descr |
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| 12:12.22 | _michi_ | arghx: it is sun microsystems |
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| 12:12.36 | rly | _michi_: ... |
| 12:12.39 | _michi_ | a hard & soft ware company |
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| 12:12.49 | rly | _michi_: trust me, you are not getting it. |
| 12:13.09 | _michi_ | rly: what I am not getting? |
| 12:13.17 | rly | _michi_: arghx means that sun doesn't exist anymore. |
| 12:13.49 | jelly | rly, _michi_: can you stick to technical issues plz kthx? |
| 12:13.50 | arghx | _michi_: and the site you link me to points to a non existing source for java. http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.htm |
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| 12:14.05 | auREAX | You mYou might want to take a look on the Java policy since Sun stopped being Sun |
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| 12:14.15 | arghx | _michi_: which is why I asked, does oracle give out the real java codebase to compile on BSD? |
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| 12:14.37 | arghx | _michi_: cause for linux the official stance of oracle is: the opensource version is openjdk |
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| 12:14.47 | nsadmin | is the java situation such that a jre is not aptable? |
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| 12:15.19 | jelly | ,info monocaffe |
| 12:15.19 | arghx | nsadmin: openjdk only nowadays. oracle jre is only available from oracle.com, linux distros are not allowed to distribute, not even in non-free |
| 12:15.20 | judd | No package named 'monocaffe' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 12:17.31 | rly | arghx: http://download.java.net/tiger/ ? |
| 12:17.44 | nsadmin | so then why would a java plugin be available |
| 12:17.44 | rly | arghx: that's perhaps an old version, though. |
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| 12:18.41 | arghx | nsadmin: squeeze |
| 12:18.59 | arghx | rly: j2se 5.0 from 2008 |
| 12:19.02 | rly | arghx: why would you want the Oracle version? |
| 12:19.07 | _michi_ | arghx: ithey are not giving the sources away, just binary packages I think |
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| 12:19.22 | arghx | cause not everything works with openjdk apparently. currently minecraft afaik |
| 12:19.25 | rly | Here are the sources for openjdk: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/ |
| 12:19.43 | arghx | rly: openjdk is in main. no questions about that |
| 12:20.28 | rly | arghx: ok, then likely you are right. For me it is not an issue, since I am not invested in Java in any way. |
| 12:20.48 | rly | (Sure, I can write it, but that's it ;) ) |
| 12:22.48 | shog | [bug?] after recent upgrade of bind9 i'm unable to start it anymore. all i got is "initializing DST: openssl failure exiting (due to fatal error)". bind9 itself is set to be chrooted into /var/lib/named and that setup worked for several years. does anyone have an idea how to fix that? |
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| 12:24.23 | shog | (ah, and i'm talking about unstable) |
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| 12:27.43 | jelly | shog: and there's nothing similar in BTS? |
| 12:29.03 | shog | well, not really. at least i wasnt able to find anything. |
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| 12:30.23 | sfsf32 | how can i set a localization in iceweasel if i cant' use the package iceweasel-l10n? |
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| 12:32.59 | arghx | sfsf32: why can't you use that package? |
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| 12:34.11 | dury | thanks channel for your suggestions :) byee |
| 12:34.31 | sfsf32 | arghx, because i installed a newer version of iceweasel from backports and the package in debian repos is not compatible and there is not such package in backports |
| 12:36.38 | arghx | sfsf32: mozilla.debian.net? |
| 12:38.05 | sfsf32 | arghx, i have both mozilla.debin.net and squeeze backports repos but there is not that package |
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| 12:38.47 | ArthurD | Hi - I'm looking for the right module to load to make a CONNMARK target work in iptables, does anyone know which one to load ? |
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| 12:44.49 | xi_ | what is "anon_inode" file descriptor? |
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| 12:51.47 | simonlnu | ArthurD: xt_connmark or something |
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| 12:53.21 | ArthurD | simonlnu : I'm trying to load the right module on a virtual serv, and I'm asking my admin to do it ; I've already asked for xt_connmark so I guess this one isn't enough |
| 12:53.23 | simonlnu | ArthurD: modprobe -l | grep -i connmark |
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| 12:53.35 | ArthurD | I don't have modprobe ^^ |
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| 12:53.46 | ArthurD | no module related commands |
| 12:53.49 | simonlnu | yes you do. probably /sbin |
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| 12:54.16 | arghx | ArthurD: then set up a debian machine, try what you want to do, and when it works, then tell your admin |
| 12:54.21 | simonlnu | yes /sbin |
| 12:54.30 | arghx | simonlnu: VPS. he has no kernel access |
| 12:54.59 | simonlnu | not my problem :P |
| 12:55.11 | simonlnu | j/k |
| 12:55.25 | arghx | you're right, it's not your problem but his |
| 12:55.40 | ArthurD | arghx : my computers aren't debian, and I don't spare ones to try... |
| 12:56.01 | simonlnu | E_MISSING_VERB |
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| 12:56.19 | arghx | ArthurD: ever heard of virtual machines? also, kernel modules are the same across different linux distros since it's the same kernel and netfilter |
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| 12:57.02 | nsadmin | the verb is obviously spare :) |
| 12:57.23 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 12:57.39 | ArthurD | arghx : another virtual machine wouldn't solve much... But I agree, I should see the right module on my real server |
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| 12:58.13 | ArthurD | modprobe -l | grep conn list me only a nf_conntrack and an xt_connmark |
| 12:58.17 | nsadmin | if your real server is functional in that regard, yes |
| 12:58.25 | ArthurD | both are loaded so I'm looking for help :) |
| 12:58.32 | ArthurD | nsadmin : yes it is |
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| 13:00.53 | arghx | ArthurD: why doesn't another virtual machine help? |
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| 13:01.41 | ArthurD | because I won't have kernel access either, and because the result on a real server should be the same, even if not debian |
| 13:02.27 | arghx | with a VM you have kernel access. ever heard of virtualbox, xen vmware player, kvm? they all run on any PC |
| 13:02.52 | arghx | and yes it will be the same when you solve it inside your VM. that's what I'm saying |
| 13:02.59 | ArthurD | ok, then only the second point... |
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| 13:04.49 | walle | arghx: thanks all #debian people help me these days :-) |
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| 13:07.23 | walle | arghx: I have complete install all on debian testing from a netinst iso. There may be a bug is that when I completed install netinst.iso there is no pppoe program for my network, so I download a pppoe deb file from other computer, then install it in my debian system. |
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| 13:09.28 | walle | arghx: another bug is when I after installing debian(testing), then I install ibus program, this program default work with ibus-gtk2, so it's don't work well in gnoem-shell3, so ibus should install with ibus-gtk3 not ibus-gtk2 |
| 13:10.15 | walle | arghx: This is 2 points I found in my installing process, I think other people may be meet them. |
| 13:10.28 | abrotman | walle: that will probably go away .. you have to give a bit, gnome3/gtk3 are new in testing |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | walle: though, do make sure you're fully up to date |
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| 13:11.35 | walle | abrotman: :-) yes, but I think other people may suffer from them |
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| 13:12.12 | abrotman | i bet they will .. that's part of the danger of running testing/unstable .. if you want a system that is stable, use stable |
| 13:12.24 | walle | abrotman: I'm dpcmain, walle is my new nicky-id |
| 13:12.47 | walle | abrotman: yes, I update my system |
| 13:13.13 | walle | abrotman: now, debian testing on my computer run well :-) |
| 13:13.20 | abrotman | except you have bugs .. |
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| 13:14.34 | walle | abrotman: ... I think I want to use debian testing for my desktop and daily work, but I will use debian stable on my server. |
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| 13:15.07 | walle | abrotman: debian testing run well :-) no problems to now |
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| 13:17.00 | sfsf32 | anyone can help? |
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| 13:17.41 | boudiccas | sfsf32; with what? |
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| 13:18.21 | walle | sfsf32: problem? |
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| 13:19.33 | abrotman | sfsf32: what command did you use to install newer iceweasel? |
| 13:19.47 | Otkrick | hello, world ! |
| 13:20.39 | Otkrick | please, help me with pfsene configuration. Simple GRE without pptp or else auth/crypt. I have 2 public IPs, 2 pfsense boxes and empty head. Firstly I went on box1 to Interfaces-Assign-GRE-Add -> GRE remote: public_IP2, GRE tun. loc. addr. = 10.4.0.1, GRE tun. rem. addr= 10.4.0.2/30. Secondly, Interfaces-Assign-New Interface- OPT1 - GRE public_IP2. On box2 GRE remote: public_IP1, GRE tun. loc. addr.=10.4.0.2, GRE tun. rem. addr.=10.4.0.1/30.. |
| 13:20.46 | walle | Otkrick: hello, Otkrick |
| 13:20.49 | Otkrick | on ping 10.4.0.1 ... nothing |
| 13:20.53 | walle | Otkrick: :-) |
| 13:21.05 | cthuluh | Otkrick: you mean pfsense? |
| 13:21.34 | kj4 | hello all |
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| 13:22.00 | cthuluh | Otkrick: irc.freenode.net/##pfsense |
| 13:22.17 | sfsf32 | abrotman, i added both debian.mozilla and squeeze-backports to my sources.lst and then "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel" as explained in debian.mozilla page |
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| 13:22.59 | Otkrick | mmm... sorry, it's bsd. on debian I done on first node: ifconfig gre0 create; ifconfig gre0 tunnel 8.8.8.8 9.9.9.9; ifconfig gre0 10.4.0.1/30 10.4.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.252, on second - ifconfig gre0 create; ifconfig gre0 tunnel 9.9.9.9 8.8.8.8; ifconfig gre0 10.4.0.2/30 10.4.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.252. result such as upper - nothing |
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| 13:23.54 | abrotman | sfsf32: try with aptitude .. tell us what the error is if there is one |
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| 13:25.29 | sfsf32 | abrotman, there is no error, i only want to set localizatin for icewease, but the package l10n in squeeze repos is not compatible with this version of iceweasel, and there is not such package in backports or debian.mozilla repos |
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| 13:28.51 | abrotman | sfsf32: okay .. well .. i'd guess your choices are to deal with it, wait, or revert to the version squeeze shipped with .. none sound like fun |
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| 13:33.17 | sfsf32 | abrotman, then I think i will install firefox downloaded from mozilla site. I do not want to go back to the version of squeeze because it has a bug that does not show animated gifs correctly. |
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| 13:33.33 | sfsf32 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597174 |
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| 13:34.43 | abrotman | sfsf32: can you find a matching bug in the Debian bts ? |
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| 13:36.17 | babilen | sfsf32: Which language are you after? |
| 13:36.29 | sfsf32 | abrotman, what you mean? i was using the iceweasel version shipped with squeeze and it had that bug |
| 13:37.18 | sfsf32 | babilen, why does it matter? |
| 13:37.53 | babilen | sfsf32: It would enable me to explore alternative ways to install the language pack. But if it doesn't matter to you then I am fine with that. |
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| 13:38.18 | sfsf32 | babilen, language is italian |
| 13:38.26 | abrotman | dead language! |
| 13:38.32 | sfsf32 | lol |
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| 13:40.29 | babilen | sfsf32: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/8.0/linux-x86_64/xpi/ |
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| 13:41.04 | babilen | sfsf32: You want it.xpi (not sure if it is the correct architecture) -- You can use that with iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 13:41.30 | sfsf32 | babilen, ok i will try, thanks |
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| 13:43.59 | sfsf32 | babilen, it worked! Thanks. |
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| 13:44.47 | babilen | sfsf32: You are welcome. Ciao! |
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| 13:52.56 | fishsponge | hey people - i just did a base install of squeeze and then installed the XFCE4 meta package... what do I do to get the machine to boot to the graphical (X11) login screen? |
| 13:53.25 | themill | install a display manager |
| 13:53.30 | fishsponge | i know I could type "startx", for example, but I want it to boot into the graphical environment by default... usually i'd change the default runlevel in inittab |
| 13:53.40 | fishsponge | oh... i thoguht the xfce4 meta package would include a display manager! |
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| 13:53.45 | fishsponge | you mean just install gdm, for example? |
| 13:54.09 | themill | ,rprovides x-display-manager |
| 13:54.12 | judd | Package x-display-manager in squeeze/i386 is provided by: gdm, gdm3, kdm, slim, xdm. |
| 13:54.15 | themill | fishsponge: ^^ any of them# |
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| 13:54.47 | fishsponge | ok, so just install "gdm3", for example, and then reboot... |
| 13:55.11 | fishsponge | so i've put on base install, "xfce4" package and "gdm3" package... and done no config (other than adding contrib and non-free to sources.list) |
| 13:55.12 | themill | rebooting isn't necessary except for testing purposes |
| 13:55.40 | fishsponge | themill, ok, so when gdm3 is installed it will automatically just appear and i'll have to switch to Alt+F1 to log back out of the terminal |
| 13:55.44 | themill | did you install xorg? (it's recommended by xfce4 so you should have) |
| 13:55.58 | Otkrick | thx for attention! good evening |
| 13:56.10 | fishsponge | well, xfce4 said it contained everything i needed... so maybe I do not have the "xorg" package yet! lol, i'll check... |
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| 13:56.27 | fishsponge | yeah, xorg is there with all it's other minor packages |
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| 13:56.38 | fishsponge | X has not appeared though, despite gdm3 now being installed |
| 13:56.49 | emper0r | hi i have a cuestion how can i disable in tty, the msessage of syslog when kernel happend something ? |
| 13:56.51 | fishsponge | surely i'd need to either start it manually or reboot... |
| 13:56.57 | robokop | `/etc/init.d/gdm3 restart` should do the trick |
| 13:57.10 | emper0r | i try to type some comands and appears right in momentos as info |
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| 13:58.13 | fishsponge | fantastic :-) |
| 13:58.59 | jemadux | how to install sun java on debian manually?? |
| 13:59.11 | fishsponge | one more question... i have an HD TV plugged into the DVI socket and a normal monitor... I know I can setup X to run across both, but how can I get grub and the Alt+F1-6 terminals to appear on the DVI socket instead of the VGA socket? |
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| 13:59.53 | fishsponge | with both plugged in, nothing appears on the DVI socket... |
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| 14:01.39 | sfsf32 | fishsponge, consider also slim as display manager, it's lihghter |
| 14:01.53 | fishsponge | actually... i just realised... i got my other debian box working across two monitors by using the nvidia utility... this PC doesn't have an nvidia card in it though... |
| 14:01.54 | themill | jemadux: which release of debian is this? |
| 14:02.26 | fishsponge | and strangely, during the install everything appeared on the TV (DVI), but booting from the hard drive displays everything on the monitor (VGA). how can i fix this? |
| 14:03.57 | jemadux | themill: testing |
| 14:04.00 | abrotman | xrandr probably |
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| 14:05.41 | themill | jemadux: sun java isn't in testing any more, but openjdk-6 and openjdk-7 both are and should be quite fine for running java stuff (instead of the unsupported, non-free and security-vulnerable sun java) |
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| 14:07.17 | engla | more and more apps are turning up in gtk3, but I have no theme for it. How to do I change that? |
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| 14:07.47 | engla | preferably a fast engine, like Mist |
| 14:09.35 | jemadux | themill: how about icetea for web ?? |
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| 14:10.12 | themill | ,info icedtea6-plugin wheezy |
| 14:10.13 | judd | Package icedtea6-plugin (web, extra) in wheezy/i386: web browser plugin to execute Java applets (dependency package). Version: 6b21.1.3-2; Size: 0.9k; Installed: 21k; Homepage: http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web |
| 14:10.22 | themill | judd: sure -- that uses openjdk-6 |
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| 14:13.25 | smhar | cthuluh, ok, it seems things are stranger than I thought. when I opened amule, I lost the network connection. and if I did ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 I got this error: smhar[5102]: ERROR: Cannot find default gateway 192.168.1.254 in the network where eth0 is connected to |
| 14:14.32 | smhar | this is the dmesg after the disconnection: http://paste.debian.net/144462/ |
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| 14:23.30 | Twinkletoes | This link here: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/acl.htm tells you how to get ACLs working. In one line it says, to enable ACL on the current mounted system, you'd use "mount -o remount,acl /dev/hda6", then on the next it says to modify fstab, but it puts "{{acl}}" (ie. with the curly brackets). Is this significant? |
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| 14:26.47 | jordanm | Twinkletoes: the guide looks old, but acls do need to be enabled on the filesystem. it may be part of defaults |
| 14:27.32 | jordanm | no, doesn't look like it is default |
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| 14:31.55 | Twinkletoes | SO, do I have the {{}} around the word acl? |
| 14:32.16 | smhar | I eth0 got dropped again, sorry. |
| 14:32.43 | smhar | this is a list of related commands output: http://paste.debian.net/144465/ |
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| 14:33.41 | smhar | I have a working network now, but if I run another program, such as FF, I loose eth0 |
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| 14:35.10 | cardamon | ,,pcid [8086:0085] |
| 14:35.16 | cardamon | erg. |
| 14:35.20 | cardamon | ,,pciid [8086:0085] |
| 14:35.33 | cardamon | Yeah, I never know the syntax for that one. |
| 14:35.41 | cardamon | fails |
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| 14:35.58 | cardamon | Which bot is it? I'll just msg it. |
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| 14:36.27 | cardamon | ,pciid[8086:0085] |
| 14:36.28 | judd | [8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085 |
| 14:36.35 | cardamon | There we go. |
| 14:37.24 | jordanm | Twinkletoes: no, no curly brakets |
| 14:37.39 | Twinkletoes | jordanm: thank you :) |
| 14:37.52 | smhar | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet (rev c1) |
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| 14:40.03 | babilen | cardamon: You would use "judd: pciid 8086:0085" or ",pciid 8086:0085" -- That device needs a newer kernel which can be obtained from backports. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
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| 14:40.34 | arghx | cardamon: and firmware from wheezy, non-free |
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| 14:41.24 | arghx | cardamon: for lots of stuff, judd's db is bogus btw. your device is a wlan chip, while judd gave out the data/module name for a SATA controller |
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| 14:44.43 | bs0d | Good day everybody. I need to execute a shell command - run inadyn dyndns client upon system boot, its just inadyn without any parameters or whatsoever. How can I make it autostart? |
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| 14:46.35 | bs0d | another question is about pan0 bridge, it exists on default, and I am curious what does it do and why it is there |
| 14:46.51 | bs0d | no interfaces attached to it, it just is |
| 14:47.22 | arghx | bs0d: bluetooth |
| 14:47.43 | bs0d | arghx: I see, thanks |
| 14:47.49 | arghx | !versions inadyn |
| 14:47.57 | arghx | ,versions inadyn |
| 14:47.59 | judd | Package: inadyn on i386 -- lenny: 1.96-1; sid: 1.96.2-1+b1; squeeze: 1.96.2-1+b1; wheezy: 1.96.2-1+b1 |
| 14:48.13 | arghx | bs0d: isn't it starting by default when you install it? |
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| 14:48.54 | bs0d | arghx: no :( I have installed it from packages, aptitude. After reboot no inadyn process found, I have made a search on inadyn* wildcard |
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| 14:49.34 | bs0d | seems not to start by itself |
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| 14:49.59 | arghx | bs0d: man interfaces. read about post-up there |
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| 14:57.08 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! I’m trying to install openjdk-6-jdk on my Debian squeeze and it says: |
| 14:57.09 | ErkiDerLoony | http://pastie.org/2841976 |
| 14:57.09 | ErkiDerLoony | However: |
| 14:57.09 | ErkiDerLoony | http://pastie.org/2841978 |
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| 14:57.37 | ErkiDerLoony | Ok, let’s try that again. ;) |
| 14:57.53 | bs0d | arghx: thanks you, this seems to work |
| 14:57.55 | Twinkletoes | ErkiDerLoony: Ask thre question instead of pasting links (in the first instance) |
| 14:58.07 | babilen | ErkiDerLoony: Not using the enter key as punctuation typically helps |
| 14:58.15 | ErkiDerLoony | Thanks. :) |
| 14:58.37 | ErkiDerLoony | When I try to install openjdk-6-jdk apt says it has unmet dependencies. |
| 14:58.50 | bzrk | tried installing the jre first? |
| 14:59.06 | ErkiDerLoony | However if I query `apt-cache policy openjdk-6-jre` it finds the correct version as installation candidate. |
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| 15:02.46 | ErkiDerLoony | Same thing if I try to install the jre first. |
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| 15:03.02 | ErkiDerLoony | It says it has an umet dependency on openjdk-6-jre-headless. |
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| 15:03.51 | ErkiDerLoony | And again `apt-cache policy openjdk-6-jre-headless` finds the correct version as installation candidate. |
| 15:04.22 | ErkiDerLoony | I played a little bit with apt pinning but removed all that because it did not have the desired effect. I also uninstalled all packages from testing and now want to install the ones from stable again. |
| 15:04.46 | ErkiDerLoony | cf. http://pastie.org/2841976 and http://pastie.org/2841978 for a detailed output of the two commands. |
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| 15:05.59 | EagleRock | ErkiDerLoony: is openjdk-6-jre-headless currently installed? Do an apt-cache policy on that |
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| 15:06.45 | ErkiDerLoony | EagleRock: Nope, not installed: http://pastie.org/2842026 |
| 15:06.58 | ErkiDerLoony | Could it be that I have to clear some cache or something? |
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| 15:08.21 | EagleRock | ErkiDerLoony: could be the case. Try a clean in either apt-get or aptitude and try again |
| 15:08.52 | EagleRock | ErkiDerLoony: if that doesn't work, try to install openjdk-6-jre-headless and see what happens |
| 15:09.11 | ErkiDerLoony | EagleRock: `apt-get clean` did not help. Same situation. |
| 15:09.19 | walle | evince is bad to use |
| 15:09.27 | walle | okular better more than evince |
| 15:09.47 | walle | any pdf reader better than okular on gnome? |
| 15:10.18 | ErkiDerLoony | EagleRock: If I try to install openjdk-6-jre-headless it also whines about unmet dependencies. It seems I have to traverse the whole tree and find the dependency leaves. :/ |
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| 15:10.49 | EagleRock | ErkiDerLoony: it's possibel you still have a testing package installed |
| 15:11.12 | ErkiDerLoony | EagleRock: Perhaps I overlooked one. How can I find out? |
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| 15:14.46 | EagleRock | ErkiDerLoony: I think apt-show-versions can show that, but I haven't used it |
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| 15:17.39 | ErkiDerLoony | EagleRock: Cool. I found one: tzdata 2011n-1 newer than version in archive. |
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| 15:17.56 | NoNyM | hie all |
| 15:18.09 | ErkiDerLoony | No idea why that one was upgraded to testing but perhaps it will help if I downgrade it to the squeeze version. |
| 15:18.09 | walle | how to stop ntop? |
| 15:18.15 | walle | anyone can help me? |
| 15:18.28 | walle | I don't want ntop start at booting |
| 15:18.50 | walle | I want to start ntop when I need it |
| 15:19.01 | NoNyM | i'm trying to upgrade my debian squeeze and i got errors for linux-base and linux-image |
| 15:19.14 | NoNyM | UUID object version 0.02 does not match bootstrap parameter 0.03 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/DynaLoader.pm line 215. |
| 15:19.17 | NoNyM | any idea? |
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| 15:19.22 | ErkiDerLoony | EagleRock: Thank! Works again as expected. :) |
| 15:19.34 | EagleRock | ErkiDerLoony: glad I could help :-) |
| 15:19.34 | walle | anybody can help me? |
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| 15:20.10 | smhar | my eth0 got dropped again the my whole system froze :-( is my system fubar? |
| 15:20.23 | ansgar | NoNyM: Did you install a newer version of the UUID perl module somewhere under /usr/local? |
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| 15:20.56 | jordanm | walle: update-rc.d -f ntop remove |
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| 15:21.07 | jordanm | walle: then it can be started manually with invoke-rc.d ntop start |
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| 15:21.43 | NoNyM | here is the entire error: http://pastebin.com/Cx2riRr2 |
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| 15:21.50 | NoNyM | thank for your help guys.... |
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| 15:21.59 | NoNyM | i've tried a lot of things but no success |
| 15:22.51 | NoNyM | any idea guys? |
| 15:22.56 | NoNyM | http://pastebin.com/Cx2riRr2 |
| 15:24.23 | walle | jordanm: How can make some services I can't need on debian not start when I booting? |
| 15:24.36 | walle | jordanm: So want to make debian booting more fast |
| 15:24.41 | EagleRock | NoNyM: not sure. You could try cleaning the apt repository and redownloading the package |
| 15:24.42 | walle | jordanm: I'm a PC |
| 15:24.45 | jordanm | walle: using update-rc.d just like the ntop example I gave |
| 15:25.00 | arghx | NoNyM: when have you last rebooted? |
| 15:25.07 | NoNyM | EagleRock, how can i clean the apt repository? |
| 15:25.18 | NoNyM | i've last rebooted 4 days ago |
| 15:25.18 | walle | jordanm: But I don't know which service is not need? Could you give a link about debian service? |
| 15:25.34 | EagleRock | NoNyM: apt-get clean or aptitude clean, whichever command you use |
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| 15:26.07 | NoNyM | EagleRock, ok i'll try this now |
| 15:26.09 | NoNyM | thx |
| 15:26.43 | NoNyM | EagleRock, exactly the same error.... |
| 15:26.45 | NoNyM | :( |
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| 15:27.17 | ansgar | NoNyM: Does perl -MUUID -e '' work? |
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| 15:28.17 | NoNyM | root@ovms:~# perl -MUUID -e '' |
| 15:28.17 | NoNyM | UUID object version 0.02 does not match bootstrap parameter 0.03 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/DynaLoader.pm line 215. |
| 15:28.17 | NoNyM | Compilation failed in require. |
| 15:28.17 | NoNyM | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. |
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| 15:28.48 | NoNyM | root@ovms:~# perl -MUUID -e '' |
| 15:28.48 | NoNyM | UUID object version 0.02 does not match bootstrap parameter 0.03 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/DynaLoader.pm line 215. |
| 15:28.48 | NoNyM | Compilation failed in require. |
| 15:28.48 | NoNyM | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. |
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| 15:29.08 | ansgar | NoNyM: Try reinstalling libuuid-perl. |
| 15:29.09 | EagleRock | !tell NoNyM about paste |
| 15:29.27 | NoNyM | ansgar, i'll try now |
| 15:29.27 | NoNyM | thx |
| 15:30.24 | jordanm | walle: you can install sysv-rc-conf and use sysv-rc-conf --list to see services that start at boot |
| 15:31.14 | jordanm | walle: you will have to look each service up individually |
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| 15:32.08 | walle | jordanm: rc0.d/K01ntop I found ntop service as this in /etc/rc* dir |
| 15:32.18 | walle | jordanm: what is |
| 15:32.25 | walle | jordanm: what is 'K' mean? |
| 15:33.00 | NoNyM | ansgar, it seems to work ;), i reboot and i conform it |
| 15:33.01 | NoNyM | thx |
| 15:33.02 | NoNyM | ;) |
| 15:34.11 | jordanm | walle: stopped |
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| 15:35.39 | walle | jordanm: thanks |
| 15:35.58 | jordanm | walle: zcat /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz | less |
| 15:36.06 | jordanm | walle: you can find documentation there |
| 15:36.22 | walle | jordanm: ok, thank you :) |
| 15:36.27 | NoNyM | ansgar, it worked !!! thx |
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| 15:42.05 | walle | jordanm: 'sudo update-rc.d ntop remove' after run get 'update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing' |
| 15:42.18 | walle | jordanm: What's mean? |
| 15:42.26 | walle | jordanm: Then, how to? |
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| 15:44.18 | somiaj | walle: other start scripts could depend on that one, that is dependency based, also do you want to permatlly remove this from staring? |
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| 15:45.04 | walle | somiaj: yes |
| 15:45.23 | ansgar | walle: You should not use update-rc.d * remove. It does not do what you think it does. |
| 15:45.48 | somiaj | walle: well if you just use 'remove', if that package updates the postinst scripts will put back into place (this will even happen with a security update) |
| 15:45.54 | somiaj | walle: you should use 'disable' instead of remove |
| 15:46.22 | somiaj | disable keeps the links around but puts them in a 'non start' mode, as opposed to remove gets rid of the links, but they may be put back at a later date by automatic processes |
| 15:46.26 | ansgar | jordanm: ^^^ |
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| 15:49.57 | walle | somiaj: can I use 'service ntop stop'? |
| 15:50.40 | somiaj | walle: no, that just stops the service, doesn't remove it from starting at boot. 'update-rc.d service disable', though some require a force, 'update-rc.d -f service disable' |
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| 15:51.17 | walle | somiaj: is 'update-rc.d -f ntop disable' ?? |
| 15:51.27 | blackshirt | walle: update-rc.d -f service-name remove |
| 15:51.46 | walle | blackshirt somiaj thanks :) |
| 15:53.07 | walle | somiaj: when I run 'sudo update-rc.d -f ntop disable' get 'update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!' |
| 15:53.26 | somiaj | blackshirt: again 'remove' won't nescirally do what he wants -- he'll have to redo that if the package updates. |
| 15:53.28 | walle | somiaj: and 'update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing' |
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| 15:53.56 | somiaj | (I'm hoping that disable was added by squeeze, I'm bad at rembering when features were added) |
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| 15:54.46 | somiaj | walle: 'ls /etc/rc?.d' -- do you see any links for ntop in there. My guess is you already removed them so when you tried to disable them they weren't there to disable. |
| 15:55.12 | somiaj | walle: update-rc.d: using dependecy based boot sequencing is just letting you know its ordering the links according to dependencies. |
| 15:55.59 | walle | somiaj: ........ |
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| 15:57.09 | somiaj | walle: all update-rc.d is give an automatic way to add/remove links from /etc/rc?.d/ in such a way to honor dependency based booting -- what you see is not an error, but its telling you what its doing. |
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| 15:57.41 | walle | somiaj: .......... |
| 15:57.55 | walle | somiaj: I run 'sudo invoke-rc.d ntop start' |
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| 15:58.32 | walle | somiaj: then run 'sudo update-rc.d -f ntop disable' |
| 15:58.41 | walle | somiaj: also that error meesage |
| 15:59.01 | EagleRock | walle: that is not an error message. it's informational |
| 15:59.06 | anderbubble | I just notices that Debian Unstable (sid) has texlive packages from 2009. Is there some reason (or a way to find a documented reason) that it hasn't been updated? |
| 15:59.17 | anderbubble | s/notices/noticed/ |
| 15:59.30 | walle | EagleRock: "update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!" this is not error? |
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| 16:00.12 | EagleRock | walle: I was referrign to the dependency-based booting line |
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| 16:00.47 | somiaj | walle: because you want invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d do two different things |
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| 16:01.06 | somiaj | walle: 'update-rc.d ntop defaults' then 'update-rc.d -f ntop disable' |
| 16:01.16 | EagleRock | walle: but do what somiaj recommended, and see if you see any start scripts in /etc/rc?.d/ for ntop |
| 16:02.17 | somiaj | anderbubble: goto packages.debian.org look up one of the packages, then look at the bug reports and or the debian developer links (PTS) -- they contain info as to why |
| 16:02.23 | walle | !paste |
| 16:02.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 16:02.24 | somiaj | anderbubble: in many cases |
| 16:02.50 | walle | somiaj: after your two command I get message here http://paste.debian.net/144492 |
| 16:03.07 | anderbubble | somiaj, already looked at bugs for the main texlive metapackage, anyway. I'll look for the debian developer links (PTS) |
| 16:03.20 | somiaj | anderbubble: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/texlive-base.html |
| 16:03.30 | walle | somiaj: i't right ? next, if I want to use ntop, i need run 'sudo update-rc.d ntop enable' ? |
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| 16:04.14 | somiaj | walle: just warnings, do an 'ls /etc/rc?.d' -- do you see that the lnks point to ntop start with a 'K' instead of an 'S' now? |
| 16:04.25 | anderbubble | somiaj, thanks |
| 16:04.27 | EagleRock | walle: you use sudo invoke-rc.d ntop start to start the service as needed |
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| 16:05.16 | walle | EagleRock: ok, but now I find ntop in init.d yet |
| 16:05.30 | walle | EagleRock: it's ok? |
| 16:05.36 | somiaj | anderbubble: I didn't see anything useful, if you see a reason that the texlive needs to be updated file a wishlist bug for new upstream version -- then at least others will know about it. |
| 16:05.37 | EagleRock | walle: if the scripts start with K, it's okay |
| 16:05.47 | EagleRock | walle: K scripts indicate ntop should NOT run |
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| 16:06.06 | EagleRock | walle: are there any scripts that start with S in those directories? |
| 16:06.14 | EagleRock | walle: for ntop, that is |
| 16:06.27 | anderbubble | somiaj, fair enough; just treading a little more softly after upsetting the texlive maintainers yesterday with some TeX vs LaTeX confusion. |
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| 16:06.51 | walle | EagleRock: yes, after I run 'find rc* -name '*ntop*'' , i find all ntop in rc* is K01ntop |
| 16:07.07 | walle | EagleRock: this is ok? |
| 16:07.16 | EagleRock | walle: yes, then the command worked right |
| 16:07.19 | rly | How do I automatically execute a script when a certain device is plugged in? |
| 16:07.39 | walle | EagleRock somiaj : thank you very much :-) |
| 16:07.45 | rly | In particular I want to execute ifconfig somedeviceidjustpluggedin <someipaddress> |
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| 16:08.37 | somiaj | anderbubble: yea those are the two places I look to see info about the status of a package, wishlist bugs are common to use for a new upstream version. Though wishlist bugs are just that, they can sit around for a while. (: |
| 16:08.37 | arghx | rly: udev? |
| 16:08.38 | walle | EagleRock: I have another question. is ext4 file system need *Disk Defragmenter* as windows? |
| 16:08.45 | jordanm | rly: should be possible with udev |
| 16:08.55 | arghx | walle: no. but don't fill it to the brim with torrents |
| 16:09.34 | somiaj | rly: there is an 'allow-hoplug dev' option to add to /etc/network/interfaces -- though I'm unsure the default mechinisims to control running scripts with hotplug events. |
| 16:10.00 | somiaj | rly: that line is just to say its ok for applications to do things with this device (naimly networkmanager) durning a hotplug event. |
| 16:10.08 | jordanm | arghx: "filling" it shouldn't in itself cause fragmentation. the filesystem's reserved space is used to help prevent fragmentation |
| 16:10.11 | walle | arghx: :-), is ext4 can do * Disk Defragmenter* backgroud ? |
| 16:10.38 | walle | arghx: could you give me some link to know how ext4 file system work? |
| 16:10.54 | EagleRock | !tell walle about defrag |
| 16:11.08 | EagleRock | !tell walle about ext4 |
| 16:11.26 | walle | EagleRock: thanks |
| 16:11.32 | jordanm | walle: ext* doesn't have defrag utilities. the only way to really defrag is to move the files to a new filesystem. however, fragementation should never be a problem |
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| 16:13.08 | walle | jordanm: thanks, I know now :-) |
| 16:13.17 | somiaj | rly: I'm unsure on the details, but I would see what has been done already for hotplug events with interfaces. man interfaces might give you more clues on the allow-hotplug directive. |
| 16:13.25 | walle | EagleRock somiaj jordanm arghx : thanks you :-) |
| 16:13.47 | walle | EagleRock somiaj jordanm arghx : teach me so much |
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| 16:14.09 | DelTree | fragmentation except in pathological situations is due to the filesystem being utterly stupid... |
| 16:15.13 | rly | somiaj: everything works, except I still have manually do ifup <interface>. |
| 16:15.28 | rly | somiaj: I already have the allow-hotplug directive in place. |
| 16:15.34 | rly | somiaj: but I didn't restart networking. |
| 16:15.38 | rly | somiaj: is that needed? |
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| 16:16.35 | rly | Apparently not. |
| 16:16.43 | rly | I.e., it doesn't help. |
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| 16:25.18 | LiENUS | i was curious, if i route an entire /112 to a debian box, then use the ip6tables tproxy target to redirect port 80 for all adresses in the /112 to my apache process, would it let me serve pages on those addresses without adding them to an interface? |
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| 16:26.12 | no_gravity | how do you issue a command and prevent it from going into history? |
| 16:26.27 | LiENUS | no_gravity, use a different shell? |
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| 16:26.49 | no_gravity | LiENUS: what? |
| 16:27.01 | LiENUS | you could temporarily remove your .bash_history file and link it to /dev/null instead |
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| 16:27.13 | LiENUS | but iirc its written on logout so youd have to log out then back in before restoring |
| 16:27.28 | Sh3r1ff | no_gravity: remove it from .bash_history or do history -c |
| 16:27.28 | robo_ | yeah.. that's what you do. Login twice :-) |
| 16:27.33 | no_gravity | no, there is a way to issue a command without going to history |
| 16:27.39 | LiENUS | no_gravity, what shell? |
| 16:27.41 | EagleRock | LiENUS: you can also unset $HISTFILE for that session |
| 16:27.53 | LiENUS | EagleRock, theres a HISTCONTROL in bash i just found too http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/forums/showthread.php/6641-bash-is-it-possible-to-disable-logging-to-.bash_history |
| 16:28.00 | no_gravity | LiENUS: bash |
| 16:28.11 | robo_ | hello: is there a way to do an apt-cache search on a specific repo? |
| 16:28.12 | saymoo | why would you want do do that? |
| 16:28.26 | LiENUS | saymoo, some commands take passwords on the command line |
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| 16:29.06 | no_gravity | i found it: you put a space in front of the command |
| 16:29.06 | LiENUS | EagleRock, would "HISTFILE=/dev/null sensative command here" |
| 16:29.07 | LiENUS | work? |
| 16:29.17 | LiENUS | no_gravity, only if HISTCONTROL is set it looks like |
| 16:29.27 | DelTree | LiENUS: then those passwords will also be listed on ps results... |
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| 16:30.05 | jordanm | DelTree: some applications such as mysql sanitize what is written to cmdline |
| 16:30.15 | EagleRock | LiENUS: no, it won't, because the history file is written upon logout |
| 16:30.31 | LiENUS | DelTree, indeed but on a single user system that makes the difference in when a hacker compromises the system two weeks later whether they get all your passwords then or not |
| 16:30.58 | LiENUS | looks like debian's HISTCONTROL defaults to ignoreboth so space before commands looks like it works |
| 16:31.00 | dabukalam | sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "hg-fast-export" isn't what I want to be able to install http://packages.debian.org/sid/hg-fast-export, I'm guessing... |
| 16:31.01 | resixian | im trying to figure out why time is not shown from this: /bin/ls -lt /etc/cron.daily |
| 16:31.40 | EmleyMoor | One side-effect - vrms output is now a bit shorter |
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| 16:32.10 | resixian | i have three *nix boxes im connected to, only the debian box doesnt show the time |
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| 16:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: If you're concerned about securing your system there are probably other issues you should be addressing first. |
| 16:33.40 | LiENUS | jhutchins_lt, indeed there are, i prefer to just not put the password on the command line, its a bad habit to be in |
| 16:33.59 | EagleRock | LiENUS: what commands specifically are you concerned about? |
| 16:34.12 | LiENUS | EagleRock, im not the original asker |
| 16:34.16 | LiENUS | no_gravity was |
| 16:34.21 | resixian | no_gravity: iirc there is an option to hide commands prefixed with whitespace |
| 16:34.32 | EagleRock | LiENUS: sorry...I'm multitasking here :) |
| 16:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
| 16:34.40 | EmleyMoor | insserv: Service portmap has to be enabled to start service nfs-common |
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| 16:34.50 | LiENUS | EagleRock, no prob, thats why itold you who originally asked |
| 16:34.54 | rypervenche | If you press space before typing out a command it will not be put in the history. |
| 16:35.12 | resixian | e.g. `wget freepr0n` is kept but ` wget freepr0n` is not |
| 16:35.21 | EmleyMoor | Just installed new nfs-kernel-server and therefore also rpcbind - what do I need to do to enable it? |
| 16:35.23 | no_gravity | resixian: 17:29 < no_gravity> i found it: you put a space in front of the command |
| 16:35.30 | LiENUS | resixian, hediscovered that |
| 16:35.44 | resixian | goes back to lurking |
| 16:36.02 | LiENUS | lol |
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| 16:36.08 | DelTree | :) |
| 16:36.10 | LiENUS | damn this room, you guys are too helpful! :P |
| 16:36.36 | DelTree | looks like one line got unnoticed for a while... ^_^ |
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| 16:36.46 | LiENUS | jhutchins_lt, whatd you link me to that for? |
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| 16:38.35 | LiENUS | EagleRock, if you wanna help i can reask my ip6tables tproxy routing question lol |
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| 16:39.26 | smhar | how to get a list of all installed packages in my system? |
| 16:39.31 | EagleRock | LiENUS: if I had any expertise on the matter, I'd have been very glad to help :-/ |
| 16:39.39 | marcreichelt | hi! |
| 16:39.51 | EmleyMoor | I'm very stuck trying to get nfs working with the 2.6.38 kernel |
| 16:39.54 | EagleRock | smhar: dpkg -l |
| 16:40.27 | EmleyMoor | I'll paste the problems I'm seeing... |
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| 16:41.52 | rly | It seems that allow-hotplug doesn't actually work for usb over ethernet... |
| 16:42.04 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/144501/ |
| 16:42.17 | rly | I just observed the kernel output and while the device is detected, it is not automatically 'upped'. |
| 16:42.47 | rly | If I manually execute ifup <interface> I see that the commands in /etc/network/interfaces are being executed. |
| 16:43.01 | marcreichelt | Does anybody know if gitolite gets a security update? The stable version in Debian squeeze is 1.5.4-2+squeeze1. However, the official gitolite changelog https://github.com/sitaramc/gitolite/blob/pu/doc/CHANGELOG says that version V1.5.9.1 contains an important security fix. Does anybody know if I am running an insecure version of gitolite if I install it? |
| 16:43.38 | smhar | thanks EagleRock |
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| 16:44.47 | resixian | hm, i can get the time if i just do `/bin/ls -l` but `/bin/ls -l <path>` doesnt give the time |
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| 16:45.37 | resixian | ..or not. they don't show in /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 16:45.50 | themill | marcreichelt: checking CVE numbers against the tracker of doom is worthwhile. http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/gitolite |
| 16:46.17 | resixian | is this some 'feature' i have never noticed before? i am going mad |
| 16:46.27 | DelTree | are you looking for ls -ld <path> ? |
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| 16:46.48 | resixian | DelTree: no, i just want to see the mtimes for files |
| 16:47.24 | resixian | sorry ctime. but they don't show up at least in /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 16:47.24 | themill | resixian: what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:48.21 | resixian | 1) stop clamscan from starting at 0730 2) figure out why i can't see the times when i ls something |
| 16:48.48 | resixian | 08:33 resixian | im trying to figure out why time is not shown from this: /bin/ls -lt /etc/cron.daily |
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| 16:49.39 | mns | neither thunar or pcmanfm will mount my android phone. this did work before (though I dont know which update caused it to not function). pcmanfm shows me the phone as a removeable drive, and when I try to access it, it just says "Not authorized" |
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| 16:50.48 | resixian | from within /etc/cron.daily/: /bin/ls -l -> http://pastebin.com/yUVC6UpK |
| 16:51.13 | resixian | no times are shown. |
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| 16:53.54 | nubetube | Hey all. Hoping someone can help me here! :D I've installed Debian Squeeze on my machine (loving it). However, I am unable to change my resolution to 1920x1080 (stuck at 1600x1200), and xrandr doesn't detect the resolution either |
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| 16:54.11 | nubetube | Is there a way I can add that resolution using the default drivers I currently have? |
| 16:54.29 | resixian | nubetube: you nede to make the modeline, then add it with xrandr |
| 16:54.39 | nubetube | How would I do that? |
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| 16:55.22 | mns | nubetube: xrandr -h should be of help |
| 16:55.24 | resixian | nubetube: gtf, then xrandr newmode <from gtf> , then xrandr addmode |
| 16:56.00 | resixian | nubetube: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505863/ <- i call this script 'stupid' but it might help you |
| 16:56.29 | themill | resixian: files that were modified sufficiently long ago don't have the time shown. ls has done that for years. If you want something accurate, use "stat". |
| 16:56.33 | marcreichelt | themill, thanks a lot :) |
| 16:56.41 | nubetube | lol thanks for that. lol |
| 16:57.09 | resixian | nubetube: and maybe this is simpler to read: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/505864/ |
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| 16:57.21 | resixian | themill: these times are shown on my arch linux boxes (not a flame) |
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| 16:58.02 | nubetube | so I'd do gtf 1920 1080 first |
| 16:58.40 | resixian | nubetube: it should be gtx <XRES> <YRES> <REFRESH> |
| 16:58.47 | resixian | s/gtx/gtf/ |
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| 17:00.42 | themill | resixian: maybe they turn on "--time-style=full-iso" or similar by default. (or maybe the files are sufficiently new that they show that information. There's not enough room in the output of ls(1) to include day+month and year and time. So time gets dropped in favour of year. The output of "ls" was never meant to be machine readable, it's meant to be human readable thus violates things like strict column widths and is localisable with LANG or LC_*. |
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| 17:01.39 | nubetube | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1200 (desired size 1920x1080) |
| 17:01.46 | nubetube | I get that error :| |
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| 17:03.10 | nubetube | Hrm... |
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| 17:05.15 | nubetube | Any ideas? |
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| 17:11.25 | EmleyMoor | Why, with squeeze-backports' nfs-kernel-server etc. am I getting this bother? http://paste.debian.net/144501/ |
| 17:12.21 | windparadise | hello, pls I have installed postfix coupled with dtc on my debian squeese VPS, I can send mail but can't receive mail. and here is a sample of my log... Nov 10 20:04:15 berylhost postfix/smtpd[26065]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-vx0-f171.google.com[209.85.220.171]: 554 5.7.1 <chouberyl@dtc.berylhost.com>: Relay access denied; from=<kokou.afidegnon@gmail.com> to=<chouberyl@dtc.berylhost.com> pr |
| 17:12.22 | windparadise | oto=ESMTP helo=<mail-vx0-f171.google.com> |
| 17:12.41 | arghx | EmleyMoor: line 2. is it running? |
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| 17:13.28 | EmleyMoor | root 26352 0.0 0.0 18772 692 ? Ss 16:37 0:00 /sbin/rpcbind -w - seems fine |
| 17:13.31 | arghx | windparadise: what's mydestination? |
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| 17:14.08 | batouzo | my friend drop laptop on concrete. you think it's a problem? :} |
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| 17:14.25 | windparadise | arghx: mydestination = mx.berylhost.com, localhost.berylhost.com, , localhost |
| 17:14.46 | EmleyMoor | batouzo: Maybe - all i can say is try it and see |
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| 17:14.56 | arghx | well, I don't see dtc.berylhost.com why do you send there? |
| 17:15.01 | batouzo | how to compare two directories like data/ backup/ to know if files have identical content (by checksums or something) |
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| 17:15.13 | Woet | how to install zfs using the debian installer? |
| 17:15.39 | Woet | according to http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2010/17/: "This means that Debian Squeeze will be one of the first GNU distributions to support ZFS." |
| 17:15.53 | jelly | Woet: not from the installer. |
| 17:15.56 | arghx | Woet: run kFreeBSD |
| 17:15.57 | windparadise | the dtc.berylhost was automatically configured by the control panel too i installed |
| 17:15.58 | Woet | but it's not an option at the partitioner.. |
| 17:16.01 | Woet | arghx: what |
| 17:16.08 | arghx | !kfreebsd |
| 17:16.08 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:16.10 | windparadise | I am looking to change it |
| 17:16.11 | Woet | jelly: why does the debian.org site say the official installer supports it? |
| 17:16.14 | jelly | Woet: no, it's not. You're reading 1 year and a half old information. |
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| 17:16.29 | arghx | jelly: can't kfreebsd use it directly? |
| 17:16.29 | Woet | right |
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| 17:16.44 | Woet | jelly: why was support removed again? |
| 17:16.54 | resixian | themill: makes sense & tyvm |
| 17:16.56 | jelly | Woet: it's never been added. |
| 17:17.21 | jelly | Woet: install kfreebsd on ufs, then set up zfs on your storage later. |
| 17:17.46 | jelly | their channel will know more |
| 17:18.00 | arghx | jelly: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ#Q._What_grub_commands_are_necessary_to_boot_Debian.2BAC8-kFreeBSD_from_a_zfs_root.3F |
| 17:18.52 | jelly | arghx: nice, I stand corrected |
| 17:19.37 | EmleyMoor | Why, with squeeze-backports' nfs-kernel-server etc. am I getting this bother? rpcbind is running. http://paste.debian.net/144501/ |
| 17:19.46 | arghx | imho zfs is the only valid reason for kfreebsd :P |
| 17:20.23 | zinx | ew oracle |
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| 17:21.08 | arghx | that's the downside of it :) |
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| 17:26.08 | resixian | how can i specify what time of day a job in /etc/cron.daily/ is run? |
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| 17:27.29 | themill | resixian: that's in /etc/crontab; if you just want to change one job, then consider moving it out of that directory instead and use an entry in /etc/cron.d (or root's crontab) |
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| 17:28.06 | EmleyMoor | If you want "once a day, as close to time as possible", that's a job for fcron |
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| 17:28.24 | resixian | themill: got it, thanks |
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| 17:31.04 | _Dave123_ | i keep seeing this, tcp 1 0 Unknown-08-00-27-:44974 a92-122-217-171.dep:www CLOSE_WAIT 2252/gnome-panel in my netstat -an - how can i avoid it? |
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| 17:37.55 | kencausey | Is there a gnome 3 faq somewhere? I had a temporary video driver issue and got knocked back to fallback (non-compositing) and I can't seem to figure out how to restore it to normal now. |
| 17:38.43 | kencausey | Also, related, what do I need to install to access more configuration values for gnome3? |
| 17:39.38 | boudiccas | kencausey; what version of debian is this on please? |
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| 17:39.50 | kencausey | testing |
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| 17:40.47 | kencausey | wheezy/sid |
| 17:40.56 | boudiccas | kencausey; so wheezy then. i think that you might get more meaningful support from #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:41.07 | tytta85 | ciao |
| 17:41.15 | kencausey | It seems I need and invite to join #debian-next |
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| 17:41.19 | kencausey | s/and/an/ |
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| 17:41.29 | tytta85 | !list |
| 17:41.30 | dpkg | tytta85: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:41.32 | kencausey | oh, other network |
| 17:41.33 | boudiccas | kencausey; on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:41.37 | kencausey | sorry |
| 17:41.39 | kencausey | OK |
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| 17:41.59 | michael-i | Are there a set of tools available to compile a repository from source code? I have found mirroring information, etc but nothing relating to compiling an entire repository from source. I wish to specify additional compiler optimizations for my platform. |
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| 17:42.41 | StephenS | hey hi how are you doin? |
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| 17:43.41 | claudiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.41 | claudiu | MB- Asus P7-P5 WS-Supercomputer |
| 17:43.41 | claudiu | CPU -Intel Core I5@2.8Ghz |
| 17:43.41 | claudiu | RAM -16 GB Corsair Vegeance |
| 17:43.41 | claudiu | VGA- Sapphire Ati Radeon HD 4870x2 |
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| 17:46.14 | sfsf32 | 16 GB? O_o |
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| 17:46.19 | claudiu | I have configuration: MB- Asus P7-P5 WS-Supercomputer ,CPU -Intel Core I5@2.8Ghz ,RAM -16 GB Corsair Vegeance ,VGA- Sapphire Ati Radeon HD 4870x2 ,Monitor- Samsung T260HD 1920x1200 60Hz |
| 17:46.27 | claudiu | I downloaded ati drivers from official website, I installed and in the control pannel I have an option "tear free" for reduce tearing but are not remain selected enabled |
| 17:47.17 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to get a list of packages I have installed that have no installed packages that depend on them? |
| 17:47.19 | arghx | claudiu: we do not support drivers from amd.com |
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| 17:47.39 | arghx | EmleyMoor: try deborphan, debfoster |
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| 17:48.15 | arghx | sfsf32: you know that 8GB currently cost around 40Euro? |
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| 17:48.37 | arghx | with current hdd prices, it seems cheaper to buy RAM only and no disks... |
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| 17:48.43 | sfsf32 | Argafal, no... my pc is 7 years old |
| 17:48.57 | sfsf32 | arghx* |
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| 17:49.55 | EmleyMoor | Was thinking of more thanjust libraries... |
| 17:50.28 | arghx | well, when you install an application, then debian guesses you want to keep it. so what else can it tell you to remove? |
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| 17:51.27 | claudiu | and how I can fix my problem (screen tearing) ? |
| 17:51.27 | EmleyMoor | It could perhaps just tell me what my "top level" packages are - so that I can prioritise them for "do I really need..." decisions |
| 17:51.57 | boudiccas | claudiu; what do you mean by 'screen tearing' please? |
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| 17:52.27 | EmleyMoor | Anyway, I can't run deborphan while nfs is broken... |
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| 17:53.24 | user | I do not understand why the wine took the debian repository. =[ |
| 17:53.27 | user | why god |
| 17:53.29 | user | why |
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| 17:54.32 | arghx | boudiccas: an option for his fglrx settings program |
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| 17:57.15 | michael-i | is my repo question appropriate here? is there a dev channel? |
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| 17:58.28 | arghx | michael-i: debian is not gentoo. there is no tool to recompile a full debian mirror automatically |
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| 17:59.02 | michael-i | arghx: thanks, is there a tool which will recompile a single package? |
| 17:59.42 | claudiu | it mean the vsync it off |
| 17:59.45 | arghx | apt-get -b source <package> will recompile it. see /msg dpkg ssb for example. it tells you how to compile a package from source. just point it to the right repo to get source from |
| 17:59.57 | arghx | michael-i: dpkg-buildpackage is also a nice tool for that |
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| 18:00.57 | michael-i | arghx: good start, i don't really need to recompile everything so I can script this easily enough - thanks |
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| 18:04.53 | bob_ | Hi, is someone good with kernel panics? I got this and can't find what my problem is. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/201111092b171030.jpg/ |
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| 18:06.53 | arghx | bob_: get the real error why it crashes. the backtrace alone doesn't help. you said you'd do that |
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| 18:09.05 | bob_ | ok thanks I just wanted to know if there is something else that I could do because as I told you my problem is hard to reproduce. |
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| 18:15.55 | n-iCe | hello, anyone knows how to set firestarter up? in order to share my wireless internet connection? can't make it work |
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| 18:19.30 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 18:22.22 | dury | once again I have a question for all of you.... want to upload files to my debian box from outside. that debian box it's connected to a router P-870HW-51A V2 can anyone help me to do the right way? |
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| 18:23.37 | dury | it's something to do with port forwarding? |
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| 18:24.39 | dury | should I configure something in the router before? |
| 18:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mediatomb-daemon |
| 18:25.03 | judd | Package: mediatomb-daemon on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.0-3; squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; sid: 0.12.1-2; sid-multimedia: 0.12.1-2.3; wheezy-multimedia: 0.12.1-2.3 |
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| 18:25.40 | valdyn | dury: forward one port on the router to the ssh port on that debian box (default is 22) |
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| 18:27.03 | dury | valdyn: have you got the same router? |
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| 18:28.27 | valdyn | dury: nope |
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| 18:30.00 | dury | valdyn: geeeesss :( how do I do that... I mean to forward the ssh port? |
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| 18:30.30 | polygons | hey guys, i'm on iceweasel 7, want to upgrade, super confused :-) |
| 18:31.17 | polygons | should i stick wtih ice or go to fire? no difference? version 8 is out now, but version 10 is in the pipeline, how is that? |
| 18:31.22 | jordanm | ,versions iceweasel |
| 18:31.23 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-10~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; wheezy: 7.0.1-4; sid: 8.0-3 |
| 18:31.32 | n-iCe | hello, anyone knows how to set firestarter up? in order to share my wireless internet connection? can't make it work |
| 18:31.54 | polygons | i'm on wheezy |
| 18:32.02 | dury | polygons: I don't know exactly but in firefox it's help menu |
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| 18:32.05 | polygons | should i switch to sid real fast and do it, or add a repos? |
| 18:32.07 | valdyn | dury: youre probably confused by the terminology. Every cheap router supports this though |
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| 18:32.40 | polygons | do you guys use a repos? |
| 18:33.03 | jordanm | polygons: I would recommend waiting until it migrates to wheezy, which should be soon pending no RC bugs |
| 18:33.07 | valdyn | dury: and since you probably have a cheap router the menu is probably not very deep, just look around |
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| 18:34.19 | in2tactics | polygons: btw firefox 11 is actually in the pipeline now if you go by nightly |
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| 18:35.06 | polygons | lol |
| 18:35.09 | polygons | are they super cool? |
| 18:35.32 | polygons | one of the things i love about chrome is that it doesn't have the system bar on top |
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| 18:35.58 | rypervenche | polygons: Give it maybe 10 days or so to flow to Testing. http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
| 18:36.00 | in2tactics | polygons: mozilla runs so many concurrent updates with firefox, beta, aurora, and nightly |
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| 18:36.46 | polygons | really? you're saying 8 will be in testing in a week? |
| 18:36.50 | polygons | or two? |
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| 18:38.05 | polygons | rypervenche, youre saying 8 will be in testing in a week or two? |
| 18:38.20 | in2tactics | polygons: it should be since firefox 8 is live |
| 18:38.45 | rypervenche | polygons: Yes. |
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| 18:39.05 | polygons | live means it's out. huh. sweet. i'll wait 10 days. thakns! |
| 18:39.52 | in2tactics | apt-get install -s iceweasel |
| 18:40.26 | in2tactics | lol so much for my attempt to see what was current in apt |
| 18:40.52 | rypervenche | Is there a way to build from source using aptitude? or do you have to use apt-get? |
| 18:41.14 | engla | any regressions in iceweasel 8? v7 is so good I don't know if it's worth to risk the upgrade. |
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| 18:41.35 | engla | after all these years, a so much more stable iceweasel |
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| 18:41.53 | in2tactics | i'm not sure, i run the current nightly non-free version from mozilla |
| 18:42.00 | polygons | yeah chrome makes my kernel panic, ice 7 is great |
| 18:42.03 | batouzo | colo-work: hi again :) |
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| 18:42.17 | batouzo | colo-work: configured the br0 and tap... but still the guest can not reach anywhere, even the host's ip |
| 18:42.23 | polygons | i want ice 8 because i keep a lot of tabs open, articles i want to read, and it has a feature where you can open tabs on demand |
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| 18:42.33 | polygons | would save lots of memory and cpu that way |
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| 18:43.10 | rypervenche | polygons: You could apt-pin from sid, build it from the sid source, or wait for it to flow to wheezy. |
| 18:43.18 | themill | polygons: actually, iceweasel 7 (and probably 6) can do that too |
| 18:43.35 | polygons | it was in the release notes, maybe they can? |
| 18:43.44 | polygons | i'll just wait |
| 18:43.48 | polygons | thanks guys! |
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| 18:45.32 | valdyn | !mdn |
| 18:45.34 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
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| 18:46.17 | RichiH | i need a duplicate file finder that let's me see what the not-to-be-deleted files will look like |
| 18:46.22 | RichiH | ideally per-directory |
| 18:46.48 | RichiH | there are a lot of duplicate files, a lot of which have crappy names |
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| 18:47.15 | arghx | midnight commander has a directory compare command |
| 18:47.19 | ompaul | RichiH: ls -R | xargs md5sum or something |
| 18:47.23 | tralala | what's the debian way of customising xorg.conf? |
| 18:47.34 | ompaul | tralala: delete it :) you don't need it |
| 18:47.47 | RichiH | ompaul: that doesn't faciliate deleting |
| 18:47.49 | ompaul | tralala: not 100% true, but that is how X works these days |
| 18:47.52 | arghx | tralala: sensible-editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:47.54 | RichiH | we are talking about ~100k files |
| 18:47.59 | RichiH | so i need something batchy |
| 18:48.10 | tralala | ompaul: I do need some custom options for working around hardware issues |
| 18:48.18 | arghx | RichiH: looking before deletion is not "batchy"... |
| 18:48.22 | ompaul | RichiH: you need to use a small db and create batch jobs to kick things out |
| 18:48.32 | RichiH | arghx: that's why i said ideally per directory :) |
| 18:48.46 | ompaul | RichiH: do the dupes exist in more than one directory? |
| 18:48.48 | RichiH | ompaul: well, i will parse the rdfind results if all else fails |
| 18:48.55 | RichiH | but whoever did that file layout needs to be shot |
| 18:48.58 | RichiH | several times |
| 18:49.07 | RichiH | ompaul: dozens |
| 18:49.07 | ompaul | RichiH: until they learn, yeah we know :) |
| 18:49.18 | RichiH | yes, kill them until they improve |
| 18:49.43 | tralala | arghx: if I add only the options I'm interested in, will everything else be autoconfigured properly? |
| 18:49.49 | ompaul | RichiH: ok find all with the ls -r | xargs > some-file-elesewhere |
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| 18:49.55 | arghx | tralala: yes |
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| 18:50.03 | ompaul | tralala: you can restart X and ffind out if your stuff works |
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| 18:50.07 | tralala | arghx: thank you |
| 18:50.39 | ompaul | RichiH: you do need to md5sum but givn the numbers you mention sha1 might be better |
| 18:52.03 | ompaul | RichiH: to stop unintentional catches, then you are into a make a list sorted on the md5sum column then do a single remove for every file found |
| 18:52.26 | ompaul | RichiH: that does not promise a good result but it is the start of my thinking on your problem |
| 18:52.42 | bobsaccamano | hi..i know this is off topic, so feel free to kick me out. I have been struggling to download some code from a CVS repository onto my machine and would appreciate some help.. |
| 18:52.47 | ompaul | RichiH: I take it this is not needed for today but could wait a day or two |
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| 18:53.02 | bobsaccamano | i get this error: cvs [checkout aborted]: Cannot check out files into the repository itself |
| 18:53.03 | jordanm | ompaul: ls -r | xargs will break terribly if any files have spaces |
| 18:53.19 | ompaul | jordanm: so there are -0 or -O or something |
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| 18:53.44 | ompaul | I've sadly had to deal with something like that but not on that scale and it was a long time ago |
| 18:53.46 | jordanm | ompaul: for xargs, not for ls |
| 18:53.53 | jordanm | if you are parsing ls, you are doing it wrong |
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| 18:55.05 | ompaul | oh I used a command to add in _ to make it happen where there were spaces (ugly) |
| 18:55.27 | ompaul | RichiH: sorry dude I'm getting too old to think on my feet. :-( |
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| 18:56.08 | ompaul | awk $1\ $2 is something else that is floating around my mind (again ugly as whatever) |
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| 18:56.16 | ompaul | printf that is |
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| 18:57.35 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey, I've got debian installed on a virtual machine, and I want to be able to hear sound on it through a thin client, but i'm having no luck |
| 18:57.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | I tried installing alsa but it says "no sound card" |
| 18:57.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | etc |
| 18:57.52 | batouzo | colo-work: diregard that, Im retarded and forgoten ifup on tap1 lol |
| 18:57.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | the thin client connects using RDP basically |
| 18:58.25 | arghx | TehRabbitt-Work: lspci -nn |
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| 18:59.04 | arghx | TehRabbitt-Work: you don't need to "install alsa" |
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| 19:00.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | what do I install then |
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| 19:02.47 | StephenS | <TehRabbitt-Work> pulseaudio |
| 19:02.58 | StephenS | or if u dont have soundcard then firmware |
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| 19:03.36 | n-iCe | ok, I did what it says but I can't connect to the internet, I have two wireless wlan0 which is connected to thei nternet and wlan1 which is not, so I created a new adhoc connection with no password and selected in method shared connection, but my iphone is not connecting to the internet I mean, my laptop does and I see the wifi ap in the iphone, but does not connect, any idea? |
| 19:03.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | and that should work via remote desktop right? |
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| 19:05.41 | StephenS | dont know |
| 19:05.46 | walle | hello |
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| 19:07.51 | dury | valdyn: what's your opinion about P-870HW-51A V2 |
| 19:07.59 | valdyn | dury: i dont have one |
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| 19:08.38 | dury | valdyn: what's yours? |
| 19:09.32 | dury | valdyn: better to ask in #hardware |
| 19:09.49 | valdyn | dury: uh? |
| 19:10.01 | valdyn | dury: im not here to tell people what i have |
| 19:10.21 | dury | valdyn: u right , sorry |
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| 19:10.54 | valdyn | dury: and if you want a recommendation for a piece of hardware, i cant help. I have no idea |
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| 19:11.35 | dury | valdyn: ok. don't worry |
| 19:11.58 | dury | valdyn: really appreciate your suggestions :) |
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| 19:16.38 | rryoumaa | i have a pdf that is a scan of just a few pages of letters. it is 10mb. how do i reduce its size by converting to a better format or resampling? |
| 19:17.13 | engla | rryoumaa: maybe djvu but it should have been produced in that format from the outset |
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| 19:20.08 | rryoumaa | what convert(1) options would work? |
| 19:20.13 | dondelelcaro | rryoumaa: you can do that using gv or similar |
| 19:20.26 | Bushmills | djvu doesn't tend to render compact files |
| 19:21.08 | arghx | rryoumaa: pdftohtml on the pdf, and then you get some image file you can convert with whatever you want. it's a jpg or png or such usually |
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| 19:23.03 | rryoumaa | thanks all |
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| 19:23.42 | icedwater | Hi! Would talk of translate belong here or in -offtopic? |
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| 19:23.57 | icedwater | Namely, translating Debian to other niche languages like Singapore English. |
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| 19:25.00 | arghx | icedwater: it's debian related. here |
| 19:25.04 | walle | ss |
| 19:25.09 | rryoumaa | is my question ot? |
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| 19:25.19 | icedwater | Ah, OK arghx :) Asked on OT anyway. |
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| 19:27.04 | gw280 | hey guys |
| 19:27.07 | abrotman | you want to translate Debian to 'singlish' ? |
| 19:27.16 | gw280 | so I just did a dist-upgrde on my wheezy installation and now wifi is totally hosed |
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| 19:27.21 | gw280 | all demsg says is "link is not ready" |
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| 19:27.26 | simonlnu | gets out the popcorn |
| 19:27.27 | gw280 | I can scan for networks, but I can't connect to them |
| 19:27.36 | dleonardi | hello, i've got some trouble setting up my network for use with KVM.. i've got one NIC[eth0] and multiple IP's, all bound to that NIC. i want one IP to be for the host, and the others to be for the guests. my setup is as per this: http://pastebin.com/uwzpcPWc |
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| 19:28.04 | dleonardi | i can ping the guest ip from the host, i can ping the host from the guest, but i cannot ping the outside world from the guest. |
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| 19:28.27 | arghx | dleonardi: have you enabled ip forwarding? |
| 19:28.31 | dleonardi | i also cannot ping the guest from the outside world |
| 19:28.37 | dleonardi | arghx: on the host? |
| 19:28.43 | arghx | yes, where else? |
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| 19:29.33 | eigar | So, going to reinstall debian. (Have to try old ATA over SATA cause mye 2 new SATA's area a probable cause of freezes). But; is i.e. openoffice part of Gnome or is it part of "Desktop"? |
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| 19:29.51 | dleonardi | root@srv ~ # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:29.51 | dleonardi | 1 |
| 19:30.22 | simonlnu | eigar: neither; 'editors' |
| 19:30.22 | arghx | dleonardi: can you ping ips outside? |
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| 19:31.03 | simonlnu | eigar: cxn: section editors. dunno if those tasks pull that in |
| 19:31.12 | dleonardi | arghx: i cannot ping ip's outside of my host from the guest. i cannot ping the guest from outside either. internally [host-guest] it works. |
| 19:31.47 | eigar | simonlnu: I installed debian yesterday, and only "ticked" Desktop on install. But ie openoffice and others was installed. |
| 19:33.04 | simonlnu | ok. |
| 19:33.39 | simonlnu | looks like they do then ;) |
| 19:33.39 | dleonardi | arghx: from the guest, the error is "destination network unreachable" |
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| 19:34.04 | eigar | I'm only considering to not install anything (not "Desktop" etc) and rather do that afterwards, Gnome etc. But it is perhaps more a hazzle then gain. |
| 19:34.27 | arghx | eigar: most people do this when they have used debian for a longer time |
| 19:34.53 | simonlnu | 'hassle' |
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| 19:35.51 | simonlnu | especially if you're gonna switch to testing or unstable, installing a task is a pita due to having to d/l and install extra packages. |
| 19:36.03 | simonlnu | (not recommending that, just saying) |
| 19:36.11 | pappanz | hello. how do I activate gnome3 fallback mode in wheezy? |
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| 19:37.08 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 19:37.08 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
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| 19:40.02 | pappanz | jhutchins_lt, you mean, there are some packages missing? |
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| 19:41.37 | babilen | pappanz: You want gnome-session-fallback |
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| 19:42.30 | pappanz | babilen, thank you |
| 19:43.47 | pappanz | for some reason, I have it installed but on the system settings I cannot pick the fallback option |
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| 19:48.14 | babilen | pappanz: It's an additional session that should be offered in your login manager |
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| 19:50.10 | Yann2 | hi! I've got a server with 8GB ram. I've killed all services running on it, but still 5.5GB are used (not file cache though). slabtop show it to be linked to kmalloc. http://pastebin.ca/2093631 and http://www.pastebin.ca/2093632 - if I could find out what's gonig on before rebooting it it would be awesome |
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| 19:52.29 | valdyn | Yann2: looks like a kernel bug to me |
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| 19:53.03 | Yann2 | 2.6.35-30-server #59-Ubuntu SMP :( |
| 19:53.18 | valdyn | Yann2: this is a debian kernel |
| 19:53.20 | Yann2 | giving it a reboot now |
| 19:53.24 | valdyn | Yann2: this is a debian *channel* |
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| 19:54.25 | EagleRock | is no longer confused :) |
| 19:54.50 | Yann2 | valdyn, true, sorry |
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| 20:14.32 | Shadowcat | hello |
| 20:14.45 | Shadowcat | has anyone successfully installed and run Vmware Workstation 8 under debian 6? |
| 20:14.57 | zxcvbn | stupid question =) debian 6. where is "ifconfig"?! reinstalling "net-tools" and "inetutils-tools" doesnt help, though they have "ifconfig" in their description in synaptic manager. i dont want "ip", i want "ifconfig" back |
| 20:15.11 | themill | zxcvbn: in /sbin |
| 20:15.57 | dioz_ | if you aren't root |
| 20:16.01 | dioz_ | it might be /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 20:16.19 | zxcvbn | !!! thank you! :) |
| 20:17.06 | dioz_ | use ip btw |
| 20:17.10 | dioz_ | ifconfig is depricated |
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| 20:18.38 | abrotman | either work ... |
| 20:18.39 | zxcvbn | i just wanted to see status all my network interfaces with one easy command. |
| 20:18.50 | zxcvbn | *status of all |
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| 20:19.10 | abrotman | Shadowcat: did you check the Wiki ? they used to have a page for vmware server |
| 20:19.26 | Shadowcat | abrotman: says nothing about workstation |
| 20:19.33 | Shadowcat | or do I have to physically install this to find out? |
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| 20:20.39 | Shadowcat | doesn't want to install an apt-based OS to test this, but... |
| 20:20.43 | Shadowcat | err, rpm based |
| 20:20.58 | Shadowcat | seems like vmware is overly friendly to rpm based distros |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | Shadowcat: okay |
| 20:21.47 | abrotman | Shadowcat: if i were going to be home and bored tonight .. id' give it a whirl for you :) |
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| 20:26.46 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: Doesn't vmware have some sort of support available? |
| 20:27.31 | Shadowcat | compatibility list only lists one debian based os, Ubuntu, and I would use Ubuntu, if it wasn't for the broken Gnome install |
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| 20:40.47 | pmsz | zxcvbn: try ip addr |
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| 20:42.34 | zxcvbn | yeah. it could be "ip addr show", but simple "ifconfig" is just easier. i will learn ip, thank you) |
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| 20:49.08 | iman | would please some one help me ? when I navigate to http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com and would to listen pronunciation, I can't listen anything |
| 20:49.25 | aaa_ | Hello, i have one question, i am new user of debian and cannot connect to my accesspoint, i dont have any network manager in my installattion, and cannot connect cable. |
| 20:49.52 | aaa_ | how i can connect using console (network is wpa2 fresh system) |
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| 20:51.02 | Bushmills | aaa_: configure wpa_supplicant, and configure with iwconfig, or use the console version of wicd |
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| 20:52.06 | Bushmills | wicd-curses is the package name |
| 20:52.12 | aaa_ | they are in standard packages on first dvd? |
| 20:52.37 | Bushmills | no idea - i never installed from dvd. |
| 20:53.07 | nsadmin | iman, what protocol does that site use to stream the sound? |
| 20:53.09 | aaa_ | my linux skill are very poor (like my english :P ) |
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| 20:53.54 | iman | nsadmin, i don't know really what is it |
| 20:54.13 | nsadmin | iman, so you have to find out |
| 20:54.53 | iman | nsadmin, it's oxford website and doesn't have information related to sound protocol |
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| 20:56.07 | nsadmin | then you're stuck unless you can convince someone to find out for you |
| 20:56.22 | nsadmin | or unless you can find out |
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| 20:57.25 | themill | iman: it seems to use flash. |
| 20:57.37 | cusco | that is made: onclick="playSoundFromFlash('/media/oald8/uk_pron/b/bra/brain/brainiac__gb_1.mp3')" |
| 20:57.59 | cusco | works on chromium |
| 20:58.25 | iman | should I install chromium ? |
| 20:58.30 | themill | grab that URL and it works fine too. Yay for making simple things more complicated. |
| 20:58.52 | cusco | iman: install flash |
| 20:58.57 | cusco | if you really want it |
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| 20:59.13 | cusco | !adobe flash |
| 20:59.13 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 21:03.28 | iman | cusco, Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin, it's already has been installed in my machine |
| 21:03.46 | cusco | opens iceweasel... |
| 21:04.03 | iman | Cueball, it's open |
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| 21:04.46 | iman | cusco, it's installed before, but doesn't work |
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| 21:05.00 | cusco | works on iceweasel too |
| 21:05.01 | iman | cusco, are there any other adjust for it ? |
| 21:05.29 | cusco | update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install |
| 21:05.39 | cusco | as root |
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| 21:07.43 | iman | cusco, http://dpaste.com/650798/ |
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| 21:08.14 | cusco | forbbiden |
| 21:08.36 | iman | cusco, why :( |
| 21:08.37 | iman | :(( |
| 21:08.40 | cusco | I can download http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.0.1.152/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz just fine |
| 21:08.55 | iman | cusco, can I use gnash instated of flash ? |
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| 21:09.19 | cusco | however for me the dns gave me 2.20.210.70 |
| 21:09.58 | EagleRock | cusco: you can try again...it could have been a temporary issue on their site |
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| 21:10.31 | EagleRock | iman, I mean, sorry |
| 21:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | iman: What happens if you try to download the file directly (just cut & paste the url). |
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| 21:11.10 | iman | jhutchins_lt, I have to test it |
| 21:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | iman: Right. |
| 21:12.28 | jhutchins_lt | iman: What happens? |
| 21:12.45 | iman | jhutchins_lt, http://dpaste.com/650800/ |
| 21:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | It's possible that Iraq blocks the URL. |
| 21:13.00 | iman | jhutchins_lt, it's embargo |
| 21:13.41 | valdyn | iman: use a proxy |
| 21:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | Yup. |
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| 21:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | Or overthrow your government. Better solution in the long run. |
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| 21:14.30 | EagleRock | jhutchins_lt: not looking for the path of least resistance, eh? |
| 21:14.38 | iman | I sorry for my people that can't even download a file legally :( |
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| 21:15.21 | valdyn | maybe the usual sites have a flash torrent |
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| 21:15.53 | iman | jhutchins_lt, shall I use gnash instated of flash ? |
| 21:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | iman: That may be your best option. It won't work with all flash, but it will work with some. |
| 21:16.35 | valdyn | iman: gnash is not a flash replacement except for very special needs |
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| 21:17.00 | iman | valdyn, it's seem worthy to have a test |
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| 21:18.09 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
| 21:18.23 | rocketmagnet | can someone tell me what's the debian way of installing python 3.2 on my system ? |
| 21:18.31 | rocketmagnet | should i compile it myself or is there another way ? |
| 21:18.34 | valdyn | iman: sure, do your own tests |
| 21:18.37 | rly | Can I add udev rules as a normal user? |
| 21:18.43 | rly | Or can that only be done as root? |
| 21:18.48 | iman | valdyn, so appreciate man |
| 21:18.51 | valdyn | iman: you can get flash or whatever later anyway |
| 21:18.56 | rly | If only as root, why?! |
| 21:19.12 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: aptitude install python3.2; (assuming you're running testing or unstable) |
| 21:19.39 | valdyn | rly: why? |
| 21:19.43 | EagleRock | rly: you're asking why changing around the device manager for the kernel should be done only as root? |
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| 21:20.13 | rly | EagleRock: that's what I did, I think. |
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| 21:20.26 | valdyn | rly: thats like asking why a root account at all instead of allowing everyone everything |
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| 21:20.39 | EagleRock | valdyn: exactly |
| 21:20.45 | dioz_ | why is there a root account at all? |
| 21:20.51 | dioz_ | can't i just allow everyone to use everything? |
| 21:21.00 | corretico | hi |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | rly: giving someone udev access gives someone root, so it kind of makes sense to require root in the first place |
| 21:21.05 | rly | If a user plugs in a device, then what is wrong for udev to notify the user of that? |
| 21:21.08 | abrotman | dioz_: that's called Windows |
| 21:21.15 | corretico | someone know about gre tunnels and debian? |
| 21:21.21 | dioz_ | fail about rety |
| 21:21.25 | corretico | some link to use gre on debian |
| 21:21.29 | dioz_ | fail abort retry |
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| 21:21.35 | rly | valdyn: I am only considering the notification part of udev. |
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| 21:21.47 | valdyn | rly: at some point granularity in permissions adds more complexity than is worth it |
| 21:22.05 | EagleRock | rly: you asked if you could only make udev rules as root |
| 21:22.07 | AR-Brad | Ok... So, I need help compiling a driver. |
| 21:22.18 | abrotman | for your imac ? |
| 21:22.27 | rly | EagleRock: well, matching against an event doesn't seem to hurt either. |
| 21:22.36 | rly | EagleRock: unless you add a billion rules. |
| 21:22.45 | AR-Brad | abrotman: Yep. Debian is running smoothly, it's just that I'm trying to get Wi-Fi to work. |
| 21:22.49 | jhutchins_lt | dioz_: The root account is for system processes and administration. It allows you to run as a regular user, isolated from being able to damage the system. |
| 21:22.55 | rly | EagleRock: so, I am not convinced of this design, but you are free to think I am a moron. |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | AR-Brad: which device? |
| 21:23.13 | dioz_ | bill? |
| 21:23.16 | valdyn | rly: You have not thought long enough about the implications, that is all |
| 21:23.32 | jhutchins_lt | dioz_: Unix is meant to be a multi-user system, with ordinary users unconcerned with administration tasks. |
| 21:23.46 | EagleRock | jhutchins_lt: I think dioz_ was being facetious |
| 21:23.52 | dioz_ | ^ |
| 21:23.53 | rly | valdyn: sure, because I don't know all the details about udev. What exactly is a dangerous part of it? I consider the lack of granularity in security properties a had thing. |
| 21:23.56 | rly | bad* |
| 21:24.00 | AR-Brad | abrotman: Ralink USB Wireless card, 54mbps, 802.11 wireless frequency. I looked it up and it turns out I need to compile the driver manually. |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | AR-Brad: i'm skeptical .. what is the actual chipset ? |
| 21:24.13 | dioz_ | why don't they make tv's with users |
| 21:24.17 | dioz_ | so we can lock the old people out of menus |
| 21:24.19 | AR-Brad | And yes, firmware is installed but the driver is required.. |
| 21:24.21 | AR-Brad | Oh |
| 21:24.25 | abrotman | dioz_: they do .. Parentla Lock |
| 21:24.28 | AR-Brad | The chipset it 2070. |
| 21:24.30 | valdyn | rly: lack of granularity is a requirement to make security even possible |
| 21:24.30 | Nirgal | I have a few servers with automatic security updates. I'm a bit surprised some services such as apache or sshd ... are not restarted after libssl patch. Is restarting the needed services handled by the security team? Debian might do that with dependencies ... |
| 21:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | EagleRock: Ah, I see he was replying to rly |
| 21:24.39 | arghx | AR-Brad: you sure it's not 3070? |
| 21:24.41 | AR-Brad | But on here apparently it's 3070 |
| 21:24.46 | AR-Brad | ^^ |
| 21:24.49 | rly | jhutchins_lt: he was not being serious. |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | rly: lets allow notifications -> now every user can spy what any other user is plugging in |
| 21:24.59 | dioz_ | thanks tho jhutchins_lt i liked your reponses |
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| 21:25.20 | rly | valdyn: ok, but I don't consider that to be a problem. |
| 21:25.21 | AR-Brad | arghx: It's 3070 |
| 21:25.22 | abrotman | !rt3070usb |
| 21:25.23 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 21:25.43 | abrotman | wonder if it even compiles on ppc |
| 21:25.43 | rly | valdyn: but perhaps in the general case it is. |
| 21:25.43 | AR-Brad | I wouldn't know |
| 21:25.53 | rly | valdyn: for example, if someone plugs in a USB vibrator ;) |
| 21:26.04 | dioz_ | or a usb vaporizer |
| 21:26.05 | AR-Brad | I do know that the READ ME file on the CD has intructions that I can't get to work for the life of me |
| 21:26.06 | rly | valdyn: that would perhaps be a privacy issue ;) |
| 21:26.08 | valdyn | rly: what you can do is, you can create (as root) as notificator and let users listen in |
| 21:26.27 | rly | valdyn: you mean a notificator? |
| 21:26.32 | valdyn | rly: yes |
| 21:26.33 | EagleRock | rly: something tells me the user interface of that device would do better notification that the device is working than a udev rule |
| 21:26.36 | rly | valdyn: so, just a program I have to write myself? |
| 21:26.45 | rly | valdyn: not a problem, of course, to do that. |
| 21:26.52 | valdyn | rly: a very simple program |
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| 21:26.56 | kristian-aalborg | good evening |
| 21:27.12 | AR-Brad | Abrotman, what are you thinking? |
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| 21:27.14 | dioz_ | maybe ien your world |
| 21:27.16 | rly | valdyn: I already got it to work for myself, but I just considered whether I could also do this on a corporate network. |
| 21:27.26 | dioz_ | it's early afternoon here |
| 21:27.33 | abrotman | AR-Brad: take it back and get an atheros device |
| 21:27.36 | kaguya | Can i install debian on a EeePad Transformer? http://amzn.to/eeepad-Keydock |
| 21:27.45 | AR-Brad | abrotman: I can't take it back |
| 21:27.50 | rly | valdyn: so, basically 'IT requirements' in some organisations would make it impossible to do something I find normal on a system where I do have root. |
| 21:28.12 | EagleRock | rly: I can't install a font on my windows machien at work because of 'IT requirements' |
| 21:28.18 | AR-Brad | I use it on my PC |
| 21:28.22 | rly | valdyn: I think it would be possible to provide a command like 'I am now going to input a device'. |
| 21:28.23 | EagleRock | s/machien/machine/ |
| 21:28.27 | dioz_ | my work uses novel |
| 21:28.28 | abrotman | AR-Brad: sell it to the neighbor |
| 21:28.31 | rly | valdyn: then it would be possible to send it to user space. |
| 21:28.41 | abrotman | dioz_: do you have a Debian question .. or anything Debian related to say? |
| 21:28.49 | AR-Brad | abrotman: I'll just manually configure it.... I'll get it done eventually |
| 21:28.52 | rly | valdyn: hmm, that might have different issues. |
| 21:28.52 | dioz_ | i like debian |
| 21:28.53 | valdyn | rly: "udevadm monitor >> public_logfile" |
| 21:29.10 | valdyn | rly: now all users can spy on all users and you have what you wanted |
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| 21:30.26 | rly | valdyn: udev could also use some GUI integration, btw. |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | AR-Brad: you don't even know if that driver is going to compile on ppc |
| 21:30.53 | rly | Start a program like 'setupanewudevrule' |
| 21:30.57 | rly | Then input device. |
| 21:31.02 | AR-Brad | abrotman: No. But I can make an attempt, can't I? |
| 21:31.05 | rly | A template is being generated from the new device. |
| 21:31.12 | abrotman | AR-Brad: you sure can! |
| 21:31.14 | rly | User checks that it is the template they want. |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | !enter |
| 21:31.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:31.36 | AR-Brad | abrotman: Was that intended for me? |
| 21:31.39 | rly | And now the rule has been created. This way people don't even have to care about the syntax in the .rules files. |
| 21:31.41 | rly | AR-Brad: no |
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| 21:31.53 | abrotman | AR-Brad: nope .. |
| 21:31.57 | valdyn | rly: udev rules are turing complete |
| 21:32.15 | valdyn | rly: and thats needed |
| 21:32.24 | rly | valdyn: can you shortly explain how? |
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| 21:32.37 | valdyn | rly: im not sure you would get very far by a restricted template set |
| 21:32.39 | rly | I see it as 'match device' => command, and that's it. |
| 21:32.50 | valdyn | rly: that can be any command |
| 21:33.02 | rly | valdyn: yes, but you can ask the user for that command. |
| 21:33.26 | rly | valdyn: the 'hard' part is finding the device identifier and other boring details. |
| 21:33.33 | rly | valdyn: it's not hard if you know how, of course. |
| 21:33.48 | valdyn | rly: so ill create a rule that reboots the computer when my colleague plugs in his harddisk |
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| 21:34.31 | rly | valdyn: it could be a rule which only adds things. |
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| 21:35.16 | rly | valdyn: hmm, well, this will likely get complicated, indeed. You would end up with a transactional database very soon. |
| 21:35.38 | rly | valdyn: perhaps it isn't such a bad plan to keep it simple. |
| 21:36.08 | rly | How does Windows do these things, btw? |
| 21:36.12 | themill | rly: what are you actually hoping to achieve here? |
| 21:36.17 | valdyn | rly: does what? |
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| 21:36.43 | rly | valdyn: setup ethernet over USB on device plugin. |
| 21:37.00 | valdyn | rly: heh |
| 21:37.03 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... cant i use Kpackagekit as a package manager here in debian/KDE squeeze ? |
| 21:37.11 | rly | themill: I was just wondering about how I could have achieved something without root. |
| 21:37.40 | valdyn | rly: windows doesnt do that without needing Admin |
| 21:37.44 | rly | themill: I am already very happy that I got udev figured out and ifconfig to make it work _exactly_ like I wanted. |
| 21:37.50 | valdyn | rly: rather, windows does not allow you to set this up without Admin |
| 21:38.03 | valdyn | rly: pretty much the same as linux in that regard |
| 21:38.29 | themill | rly: there are tools like d-bus to send messages from kernel to user and then ways of empowering a user to do certain things like set up the network ("netdev" group or polkit + network manager) |
| 21:38.57 | rly | themill: is netdev a default group in Debian? |
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| 21:39.56 | valdyn | rly: wrong question |
| 21:40.03 | valdyn | rly: it doesnt matter if its a default group |
| 21:40.19 | valdyn | rly: its installed by default or by the package that enables its usage |
| 21:40.31 | themill | rly: a number of different packages would create the netdev group if they are installed |
| 21:41.00 | rly | valdyn: that's what I meant. Well, you seem to have it all figured out then, don't you? ;) |
| 21:41.12 | rly | Good that things work well :) No more questions at this time. |
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| 21:41.40 | funman | hello |
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| 21:45.47 | [sr] | howdy |
| 21:46.01 | [sr] | with the latest bind9 package on SID, it doesn't start anymore |
| 21:46.35 | [sr] | it fails with this: http://pastebin.com/vXvjN0ym |
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| 21:46.56 | [sr] | maybe some DNSSEC specs? i only use it for recursive |
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| 21:50.48 | Pupskucheen | Hey everybody |
| 21:50.48 | Pupskucheen | I just noticed that my syslog is spammed with "wpa_supplicant[1262]: Failed to initiate AP scan." |
| 21:51.04 | Pupskucheen | What does that mean / how do I fix it? |
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| 21:51.47 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: google is your friend. |
| 21:52.00 | Pupskucheen | maybe your's, not mine :/ |
| 21:52.13 | Pupskucheen | I didnt find anything that helped me |
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| 21:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: About 34,500 results (0.30 seconds) |
| 21:55.57 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: Do you have problems with your WIFI? |
| 21:56.11 | Pupskucheen | seems like that |
| 21:56.15 | Pupskucheen | I dont use WiFi |
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| 21:56.27 | Pupskucheen | How to unload WiFi? |
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| 21:57.01 | MaSo | http://www.cn234.net |
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| 21:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: Well, you could disable it in Network Manager, or blacklist the driver. |
| 21:58.14 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: If you don't use it then the error is irrelevant. |
| 21:58.35 | Pupskucheen | I need something that's simple and that works |
| 21:58.36 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: You might be able to turn the interface off in the BIOS. |
| 21:58.45 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: What kind of system is it? |
| 21:58.57 | Pupskucheen | erm |
| 21:59.04 | Pupskucheen | you mean the BIOS? |
| 21:59.40 | jhutchins_lt | What kind of computer? Laptop? Desktop? Rack mounted server? |
| 21:59.53 | Pupskucheen | Laptop |
| 22:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | In that case you can probably either disable it in the BIOS, or there may be a dedicated switch or a function key. |
| 22:00.48 | Pupskucheen | let me first try to "disable it in Network Manager" |
| 22:01.13 | Pupskucheen | if I find it |
| 22:01.14 | Pupskucheen | lol |
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| 22:03.05 | Pupskucheen | jhutchins_lt: Where can I blacklist the driver? |
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| 22:03.18 | Shadowcat | anyone know how to make a bootable USB install stick? |
| 22:03.23 | Shadowcat | I don't have a live linux install at the moment |
| 22:03.26 | jhutchins_lt | !blacklist |
| 22:03.26 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 22:05.13 | Pupskucheen | jhutchins_lt: How do I know the module name? |
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| 22:05.32 | arghx | Shadowcat: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download ? |
| 22:05.44 | Shadowcat | thanks |
| 22:06.16 | jordanm | Pupskucheen: lspci -k |
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| 22:13.41 | Pupskucheen | I dont get anything to work |
| 22:13.48 | Pupskucheen | argh |
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| 22:19.37 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: Sorry, real life. |
| 22:19.44 | Pupskucheen | yep |
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| 22:20.29 | jhutchins_lt | Pupskucheen: lspci -nn as root, figure out which is your wireless adapter, post the eight-character PCI ID here in the form judd pciid <pciid> |
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| 22:22.38 | Pupskucheen | jhutchins_lt: There's Network controller and Ethernet controller |
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| 22:23.16 | jhutchins_lt | Let's try the "network controller" |
| 22:23.54 | Pupskucheen | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2860 [1814:0781] |
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| 22:24.31 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 1814:0781 |
| 22:24.32 | judd | [1814:0781] is 'RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt2860sta' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0781 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 22:24.56 | jhutchins_lt | So that's the module you want to blacklist. |
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| 22:25.34 | Pupskucheen | add in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf -> blacklist ? |
| 22:25.35 | Pupskucheen | ^^ |
| 22:26.58 | StephenS | hey from top -U username i can see proceses |
| 22:27.08 | StephenS | but how can I See how much ram that user is spending ? |
| 22:27.22 | Pupskucheen | jhutchins_lt: blacklist rt2860sta ? |
| 22:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | Right. |
| 22:27.47 | StephenS | actually no |
| 22:27.56 | StephenS | is 0.2% for user spending cpu big? |
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| 22:28.16 | Pupskucheen | In that file, can I use one blacklist each line? |
| 22:28.24 | Pupskucheen | I already have something blacklisted |
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| 22:29.00 | Pupskucheen | jhutchins_lt: How do I restart it? reboot? |
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| 22:38.13 | Bushmills | StephenS: yes, given that only 99.8 of cpu is left for other task than running user program, 0.2% is rather big. |
| 22:38.45 | StephenS | I see |
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| 22:39.17 | acu | I have a weird situation - a server behind a router - server can be access from within lan for ssh whatever - however from wan I cannot access it - though I setup portforwarding in the router - do not know what to do - went to the router disabled totally the firewall did nmap -sV -p 22 -PN 111.111.111.111 ____the result was 22/tcp filtered ssh _ it means it is blocked ? I still cannot ssh from outside |
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| 22:40.09 | Bushmills | acu, sounds like firewall |
| 22:40.23 | Bushmills | could be yours, could be provider's |
| 22:41.27 | pizza_biz | does the server have a default gateway assigned on its interface? |
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| 22:42.23 | acu | Bushmills: very perceptive - the "provider: is att they have a motorola dslmodem/router - we have disabled the dhcp and made a bridge - and wondered if that is the problem - |
| 22:42.52 | acu | pizza_bizz: do not remember |
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| 22:43.29 | acu | but I was thinking since I want to get from outside in - it would not matter - also from local worstation I can putty in the server |
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| 22:44.55 | pizza_biz | a gateway matters if the machine needs to communicate outside its local subnet. on the same LAN, it wouldn't make a difference. |
| 22:45.40 | acu | pizza_bizz: so if the gateway is wrong - you can still not connect to it |
| 22:46.11 | pizza_biz | if it's wrong or missing, it's possible the server is receiving the traffic but can't reply back. |
| 22:46.43 | acu | should I put as gateway the internal IP address of the router (192.168.0.whatever) |
| 22:47.05 | pizza_biz | yes. |
| 22:47.07 | acu | yes - perhaps I should look again at that |
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| 22:50.01 | docgnome | hrm... I have two monitors. I'm trying to set the dpi with xrandr. I've done this by xrandr --output eDP1 --dpi 106 --output VGA1 --dpi 91 --mode 1600x900 --right-of eDP1 And then i check it by measuring what should be a 2cm square on each monitor VGA1 it measure 2cm but on eDP1 it is not. I'm wondering if xrandr actually allows me to set it independently for each monitor... |
| 22:50.01 | pizza_biz | i'm not aware of AT&T blocking privileged ports on any of their services (i know of other providers who do), but you could configure sshd to listen on a high port like 10022, and NAT that. or if your router also does port mapping, you could forward 10022/tcp external to the server's IP as 22/tcp. |
| 22:50.33 | Shadowcat | hey guys |
| 22:50.41 | Shadowcat | any reason I should let the new debian installer default to LVM? |
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| 22:54.23 | Shadowcat | .. |
| 22:54.41 | Shadowcat | 1000+ users and no one can offer an insight? |
| 22:54.43 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 22:54.50 | StephenS | quick answer |
| 22:55.09 | StephenS | how is possible that user runs 0.4% memoery with 2 processe and in his dir there is no files? actually its one tar file ? |
| 22:55.13 | StephenS | how he hides it? |
| 22:55.41 | StephenS | oh I see it with ls -a |
| 22:55.42 | StephenS | :D |
| 22:56.32 | somiaj | Shadowcat: to me its a personal preference. Though LVM is more dynamic and easier to resize/change partition sizes. |
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| 22:56.34 | pizza_biz | LVM has pros and cons. some think it's an unnecessary layer of complexity. but so long as you don't muck with it, i've found it usually works fine. |
| 22:56.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Shadowcat: would you like 1000 people to say 'yes'? wether or not its the correct reply for you..? |
| 22:57.00 | user_3 | anyone have an idea how to install tdsodbc and still have kde ? |
| 22:57.05 | Shadowcat | I would just like some opinions |
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| 22:57.18 | Shadowcat | I mean this system has 2x750 GB HDs |
| 22:58.07 | Shadowcat | I understand how this can be useful in a server scenario with tons of disks |
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| 23:01.44 | joeoshawa | did a full upgrade in wheezy today and gnome doesn't work |
| 23:01.44 | acu | !lvm |
| 23:01.45 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:02.12 | joeoshawa | should i remove and reinstall gnome? |
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| 23:02.25 | joeoshawa | I am in lxde right now |
| 23:03.03 | somiaj | joeoshawa: check the bts, and realize that while gnome3 filters down into testing it may break from time to time. Try to track down exctally what doesn't work, comb the bts. |
| 23:03.26 | joeoshawa | bts? |
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| 23:03.54 | joeoshawa | !bts |
| 23:03.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 23:04.05 | somiaj | bug tracking system, dont' run testing/unstable with out using it |
| 23:04.27 | acu | Shadowcat: people will help you as long as you try to make your questions precise :) LVM has a Physical Volume - Volum Group - Logical Volume (which is actually the "partition" end user sees - you can span it across several hard disk without end user knowing it - however if one hard disk fails - you are bye bye :) |
| 23:05.02 | Shadowcat | acu: I get the technical aspect |
| 23:05.14 | acu | that's all |
| 23:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | !why lvm |
| 23:05.37 | nevyn | !lvm |
| 23:05.37 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:05.51 | joeoshawa | so there should be a bts report on my system? |
| 23:05.52 | Shadowcat | I'm actually looking for opinions of the people who are running LVM on their systems, and why they chose it |
| 23:06.14 | acu | Shadowcat: then what was the question - maybe you can rephrase it ? |
| 23:06.15 | Shadowcat | because this system has 2x750GB HDs, and I'm probably going to run some virtual machines on it |
| 23:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: I avoid it as it's one more thing to go wrong. It can cause problems. |
| 23:06.40 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: Other people use it for various reasons, like "snapshots" and being able to re-size volumes more easily. |
| 23:07.10 | Shadowcat | I'm thinking of giving the host os 150GB, then 150GB to a Windows Server 2008 R2 guest |
| 23:07.13 | acu | Shadowcat: if this system is play (test) system for you - do LVM if not, do not do it - you need to know a bit about even how to list the LVMs ? |
| 23:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | I was hoping <why lvm> would give some of the reasons for having it other than because it's there. |
| 23:07.35 | Shadowcat | I've RTFM on LVM more times than I can remember |
| 23:07.36 | nevyn | Shadowcat: lvm is storage virtualisation (ie a really DUMB volume manager that abstracts spindles from filesystems_ |
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| 23:08.07 | Shadowcat | I have no problems implementing it, what I'm looking for is a compelling reason why I should go with it |
| 23:08.52 | Shadowcat | acu: this will be a server |
| 23:08.59 | Shadowcat | mini-itx server |
| 23:09.12 | nevyn | Shadowcat: do you intend to add more disks ever? |
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| 23:09.29 | Shadowcat | the disks will probably get replaced during the life of the server |
| 23:09.30 | nevyn | why two 750gig disks? |
| 23:09.39 | Shadowcat | they're 2x2.5" 750 GB disks |
| 23:09.46 | nevyn | ah. 2.5" |
| 23:09.47 | nevyn | eww |
| 23:09.48 | acu | got it - do you think you need to move the content of tha partitions easy? do you envisage increase of the size beyond one physical hard disk |
| 23:10.03 | pizza_biz | individual drives, or RAID1? |
| 23:10.04 | nevyn | Shadowcat: is there room in the case for more spindles? |
| 23:10.12 | nevyn | are you going to use raid? |
| 23:10.28 | Shadowcat | neyvn: the server case is the Antec NSK 300, I can't physically fit 3.5" HDs |
| 23:10.35 | Shadowcat | which is just as well, since the server sits nicely in a closet |
| 23:10.40 | nevyn | Shadowcat: can you fit more 2.5" drives? |
| 23:10.49 | nevyn | or is 2 the limit? |
| 23:11.03 | Shadowcat | there's a free bay for a slimline DVD that I could probably jury-rig to fit another 2.5" HD |
| 23:11.20 | Shadowcat | but I do envision replacing the disks eventually when higher capacity drives come out |
| 23:11.24 | mocra | just found out that in the new proftpd (1.3.4) a serious bug has fixed - how long do you think take it until version 1.3.4 is in the stable-repos? |
| 23:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | morn__: The question to ask is has the bug been patched in the Debian versions yet? |
| 23:12.13 | Shadowcat | moving contents over partitions will be a PITA if I have LVM and I decide to remove ONE drive and I have say a /home that spans both drives |
| 23:12.18 | nevyn | Shadowcat: are you planning to do raid? |
| 23:12.27 | Shadowcat | nevyn: nope, I need all the space I can get |
| 23:12.58 | nevyn | can you temporarily connect the new drive and hang it outside the case for the migration? |
| 23:13.14 | nevyn | (you'll need to do this if you don't have raid anyway) |
| 23:13.23 | nevyn | so lvm makes that operation really simple. |
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| 23:13.34 | Shadowcat | uhh... if I *really* have to |
| 23:13.53 | Shadowcat | this thing has 3-esata ports, but.... uhh.... there's not a cm of clearance anywhere in this case |
| 23:13.56 | nevyn | Shadowcat: what was your plan for doing the upgrade? |
| 23:14.14 | nevyn | so you've got /home on disk 1 and / on disk 0 (let's say) |
| 23:14.18 | nevyn | with traditional partitions |
| 23:14.19 | Shadowcat | replace drives and do a usb or esata transfer |
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| 23:14.32 | nevyn | how do you boot it? |
| 23:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | Install new drives, restore from scheduled backup. |
| 23:14.44 | Shadowcat | it's booted via debian live at the moment |
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| 23:15.40 | nevyn | and the system would be down for this transfer? |
| 23:15.46 | nevyn | it's simple. |
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| 23:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: I would say that if you want to learn about LVM, go ahead and use it. If that's not one of the reasons for this install, skip it. There are good ways to do pretty much everything you should do with it. |
| 23:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | without it. |
| 23:16.12 | jhutchins_lt | Anyway. |
| 23:16.29 | Shadowcat | nevyn: it's a sever in a closet because I want to be able to monitor a few things 24/7 and download tv episodes, I can survive for 24 hours without Two and a Half Men |
| 23:16.40 | Shadowcat | server, typo |
| 23:17.25 | nevyn | Shadowcat: ok. but there's a reason to use lvm ;) it'd improve your return to service time and allow you to expand the filesystems trivially once you've migrated to bigger disks. |
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| 23:17.49 | Shadowcat | if I migrate to bigger disks I redo the server |
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| 23:18.02 | joeoshawa | ok i found a bug report they listed as solved cause it contained no useful info but i don't really have any more info for them |
| 23:18.22 | Shadowcat | hmm... LVM clone, good point |
| 23:18.46 | joeoshawa | i did a aptitude full-upgrade and i get a something went wrong and have to log you out |
| 23:19.25 | joeoshawa | why exactly it went wrong and what package did it i have no idea |
| 23:19.52 | nevyn | Shadowcat: pvcreate vgmodify pvremove and lvm will move from physical disk A to physical disk B while you can still access the filesystem |
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| 23:20.38 | Shadowcat | nevyn: if I replace the HDs I replace /, so the system is still down |
| 23:20.53 | Shadowcat | if I replace / I'd have to redo the whole thing anyway, right? |
| 23:20.57 | nevyn | no. |
| 23:21.02 | nevyn | is on lvm |
| 23:21.06 | joeoshawa | so now i am wondering if i should reinstall gnome or purge it and reinstall or what |
| 23:21.07 | nevyn | / is on lvm |
| 23:21.20 | Shadowcat | so I do a dd? |
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| 23:21.36 | l_r | hello |
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| 23:21.43 | l_r | I need a scripting-like language which allows me to quickly associate a very simple GUI with bottoms to unix commands. This language must also have a compiler allowing me to obtain executable code (for either windows or linux). Do you have any ideas? |
| 23:21.52 | nevyn | Shadowcat: no. |
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| 23:21.57 | l_r | *buttons |
| 23:22.19 | joeoshawa | i would file a bug report but what do i put in it |
| 23:22.27 | l_r | I need a scripting-like language which allows me to quickly associate a very simple GUI with buttons to unix commands. This language must also have a compiler allowing me to obtain executable code (for either windows or linux). Do you have any ideas? |
| 23:22.30 | nevyn | the only trick is mbr but you can handle grub-install right? |
| 23:22.34 | l_r | ops sorry |
| 23:22.53 | l_r | i thought i was in another channel |
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| 23:23.48 | Shadowcat | yeah |
| 23:23.52 | nevyn | Shadowcat: in lvm you have physical volumes (partitions) volume groups (aggregates of pv's) and logical volumes (things that have os filesystems) |
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| 23:24.15 | nevyn | replacing physical volumes is transparent to logical volumes |
| 23:24.21 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 23:24.28 | nevyn | online |
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| 23:24.29 | Shadowcat | I'll install with standard volumes for now |
| 23:24.36 | nevyn | ok. |
| 23:24.39 | Shadowcat | and play with LVM in vmware on this box |
| 23:24.54 | Shadowcat | not implementing LVM on a live server that's going to be online for months without first breaking it a few times |
| 23:24.58 | Shadowcat | or am I wrong here? |
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| 23:25.27 | nevyn | you are imho but hey. |
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| 23:25.47 | bobweaver | Hi there I am makeing a .deb file for the b43 and b43 legacy drivers and firmware. this is the 1st time that I have made a .deb package. I want to store the firmware in the packge but how to call for the firmware to be moved to /lib/firmware in the script if the .fw files are in the .deb package ? |
| 23:25.57 | bobweaver | I guess the real question is can I have the script call to the .fw to mv them to /lib/firmware/ well the .deb is still there. kinda confusing sorry. I will sart over again 1) build script that installed b43 ect 2) add script to build folder with icon and .desktop and test.txt 3) make tar 4) put tar in folder 5) run db_make 6 ) get rid of old tar and go into new debian folder and work on config and what not rules beeing the most important. this is |
| 23:25.57 | bobweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.57 | bobweaver | time and reading this :>) |
| 23:26.01 | nevyn | Shadowcat: you can treat lvm just like dumb partitioning |
| 23:26.12 | Shadowcat | I'll sleep on it |
| 23:26.19 | Shadowcat | too late to install anything anyway |
| 23:26.30 | Shadowcat | plus if vmware doesn't work on this thing I'd have to repeat the process with ubuntu tomorrow |
| 23:26.33 | nevyn | given that you're not implementing raid the loss of a disk incurss an outage anyway |
| 23:26.37 | Shadowcat | god I hate Unity |
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| 23:26.52 | nevyn | lvm gives you two hugely good things. |
| 23:27.06 | Shadowcat | hmm.... I'll sleep on it |
| 23:27.06 | nevyn | you can migrate to a raid arrangement at a future point |
| 23:27.13 | Shadowcat | thanks for the advice :) |
| 23:27.42 | babilen | bobweaver: First of all: Please trim that down or ask on a mailing list. That is completely unreadable and: |
| 23:27.47 | babilen | !tell bobweaver -about mentors |
| 23:27.48 | nevyn | (suppose you can buy 2 3tb drives in the future. lvm gives you a way to migrate from your 2 750gig disks to a raid of 2 3tb drives |
| 23:28.38 | bobweaver | babilen: thanks |
| 23:28.53 | abrotman | bobweaver: there are already packages for b43 |
| 23:29.03 | bobweaver | ones that dont work |
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| 23:29.22 | abrotman | bobweaver: they work on the systems i use them on .. |
| 23:29.41 | abrotman | bobweaver: if they don't work .. why not work with the maintainer to correct them ? |
| 23:29.57 | babilen | bobweaver: If they don't work you might want to investigate the issue and file bugs. That being said: From what I know they work on a lot of system. What is the issue exactly? |
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| 23:31.46 | bobweaver | abrotman: that sounds like a nice plan ; babilen the issue was the firmware I had to mod it it was a simple task. you guys/girls/whatever I am brand new to the *nix world about 6months under my belt. So I am also using this to learn thanks again |
| 23:32.58 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:32.59 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 23:35.40 | axolx | hey guys -- i have a noob question: my web server is creating files with owner & group www-data, so i can't delete them w/out sudo. what's the proper way to avoid that? is there a permission i can set on the parent dir such that files written by the web server are writable by me? |
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| 23:36.14 | axolx | what i find strange is that my user account has the www-data group, so i thought i'd be able to edit files owned by www-data |
| 23:36.53 | EagleRock | axolx: that would only work if the files had read-write permissions for the group as well |
| 23:37.19 | axolx | EagleRock they do |
| 23:38.22 | axolx | EagleRock: http://pastebin.com/LxBfL4jX |
| 23:39.24 | axolx | EagleRock sorry, im able to delete files, but not able to change the owner back to myself, which is what im trying to do |
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| 23:39.51 | EagleRock | axolx: only the owner (and root) has permissions to chown the file, not the group |
| 23:40.09 | axolx | EagleRock ah ok. i thought write permissions would do it |
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| 23:56.12 | abrotman | gnome has a screen resolution applet |
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