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| 00:03.29 | rfay | I have a locally-built .deb with no repo (openssh with LPK) that I want to pin on some servers that have it installed. Suggestions on how to do that? |
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| 00:03.50 | rfay | I know I should have a repo. Just don't yet |
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| 00:06.57 | kristian-aalborg | cheers again |
| 00:07.41 | kristian-aalborg | still struggling... http://www.thinkpads.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=100445 <--- here are my woes with the Thinkpad 770 and power management, I don't feel like flooding the chan |
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| 00:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ #ibmthinkpad |
| 00:10.27 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: You definitely want the latest BIOS. |
| 00:10.34 | kristian-aalborg | hi jhutchins_lt |
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| 00:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: IBM has a long track record of shipping thinkpads with flakey BIOSs, but they usually have a good solid one available by the time they reach consumers. |
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| 00:12.06 | kristian-aalborg | yes, so I hear... |
| 00:12.14 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: That is also probably the only way you're going to get suspend working properly. The linux code for that is written to the APCI standard and doesn't account for the way vendors play fast and loose with standard architecture. |
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| 00:12.31 | Guest54027 | dedicated to all the many many love myself more thank you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxgUhSWImc |
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| 00:13.57 | klemax | Hello, How to print cpu usage in 1 minute intervals per user? |
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| 00:14.15 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins_lt, those specifications seem to be as respected as those from the W3C... |
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| 00:14.34 | rfay | I guess what I needed was "echo "openssh-client hold" | dpkg --set-selections" |
| 00:14.40 | rfay | Easier than pinning |
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| 00:15.14 | themill | rfay: you might want to subscribe to that package in the PTS so that you can keep on top of security updates. |
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| 00:15.43 | rfay | themill, thanks. I'm a bit of a n00b though... so PTS? |
| 00:15.43 | Some_Person | Is there an easy way that I can transfer all the contents of an almost-full 80GB drive to another 80GB drive? |
| 00:15.51 | themill | !pts |
| 00:15.52 | dpkg | i guess pts is the Debian "Package Tracking System": http://packages.qa.debian.org/ a place where you can find the current status and some of the history of a given source package. http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename for information on a specific package |
| 00:16.11 | rfay | themill, thanks |
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| 00:18.10 | joeoshawa | ok i managed to get gnome 3 working but i have no top menu bar no nothing i can log in and ctrl alt del brings up logout but nothing else works |
| 00:18.22 | joeoshawa | no top menu bar no nothing |
| 00:18.30 | joeoshawa | just the desktop |
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| 00:19.50 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins_lt, but thanks for looking into it |
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| 00:21.16 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: I've worked with thinkpads a lot and I'd definitely recommend updating. Never had a problem doing that and it often solved annoying problems. |
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| 00:21.46 | Max_213 | abrotman, gnome has a screen resolution applet, but can't simulate a 1280 resolution, i was using newrez before, but since gnome3, the mice is locked in 1024 resolution |
| 00:22.01 | kristian-aalborg | I will need a blank cd, right? |
| 00:23.41 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: Traditionally it's done with a bootable floppy, but they may have CD images now. If not it gets more complicated. |
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| 00:23.49 | abrotman | simulate? |
| 00:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: They have pretty good directions on how to work with the currently available files. |
| 00:24.31 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Virtual desktop size? |
| 00:25.13 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins_lt, seem like I have to dig into it |
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| 00:25.21 | klemax | Hello, How to print cpu usage in 1 minute intervals per user? |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: sounds so .. 1998 :) |
| 00:26.09 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Given that that's the date on his BIOS... |
| 00:26.36 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 00:26.45 | jhutchins_lt | I need to decide what to do with the 20 file cases of 3.5" floppies that are cluttering up my shelves. |
| 00:26.54 | Bartzy | with gnome-terminal, opening new terminals (tabs) is a bit slow. Takes 1-2 seconds. Any idea? |
| 00:27.05 | jhutchins_lt | Most of FIDONet's shareware archive among other goodies. |
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| 00:33.03 | icedwater | !help logs |
| 00:34.41 | Max_213 | abrotman, i mean resize a 10inch with max 1024x768 to 1280 |
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| 00:36.37 | joeoshawa | sorry bout that |
| 00:36.52 | Some_Person | Is there an easy way that I can transfer all the contents of an almost-full 80GB drive to another 80GB drive? |
| 00:37.14 | joeoshawa | so i have gnome 3 up but no menu's or anything |
| 00:37.33 | joeoshawa | any idea's how i can them up and running |
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| 00:41.07 | joeoshawa | i got into gnome 3 by creating a file gnome-shell.desktop in .config/autostart/ containing this http://paste.debian.net/144642/ |
| 00:42.54 | joeoshawa | i found it in ubuntu forums by someone who had the same problem |
| 00:43.28 | joeoshawa | i added metacity --replace to it cause it caused issues with metacity |
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| 00:47.42 | Xenguy | Bartzy: I put up with gnome-terminal cos it just seems to work well in most other respects |
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| 00:48.18 | Xenguy | Some_Person: Did you get an answer yet? |
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| 00:48.27 | johntramp | hi, is it posible to have networkmanager disconnect from a wireless network when it is idle for some time? |
| 00:48.44 | Xenguy | Bartzy: It's a bit bloated for a terminal, agreed |
| 00:48.44 | Some_Person | Xenguy: Somebody just suggested "lvm" on OFTC, looking into it |
| 00:48.47 | Bartzy | Xenguy: And it's slow for you too ? I suspect that maybe it's related to the shell init (bashrc, /etc/profile) etc ? |
| 00:48.59 | nevyn | Some_Person: yeah I did. |
| 00:49.00 | Bartzy | Xenguy: It's fine, just the new terminal is slow |
| 00:49.36 | Xenguy | Bartzy: exactly |
| 00:49.48 | joeoshawa | johntramp, its been my experience that you get booted by the router |
| 00:49.56 | Xenguy | 2 seconds is acceptable for my purposes |
| 00:50.06 | Bartzy | Xenguy: It wasn't like that on my old laptop |
| 00:50.28 | joeoshawa | tho the only person i set it up for was connecting to public wifi |
| 00:50.51 | Xenguy | Some_Person: I don't know lvm, but 'rsync' would be one traditional method to mirror data like that |
| 00:51.45 | Xenguy | Or dd |
| 00:52.02 | Some_Person | I want to just move it to the other drive so I can wipe the original one and use it for something else |
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| 00:53.09 | Xenguy | Some_Person: rsync is a good tool, but also these days there are apps that 'clone' the drive that are worth looking at |
| 00:53.10 | Some_Person | The drive I want to move the data to appears to work fine (I've tested it with a SMART test, and used it in a production system for a while), but makes a horrible noise. |
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| 00:53.29 | indicator | Hey, how do I upgrade to firefox 8? |
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| 00:53.54 | indicator | or iceweasel 8... (I don't know how the release cycles work) |
| 00:53.56 | Xenguy | Some_Person: HD and noise usually don't mix well |
| 00:54.07 | Xenguy | Some_Person: You want to verify the hardware maybe? |
| 00:54.08 | Some_Person | I know, but it's a temporary stopgap solution |
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| 00:54.24 | Xenguy | indicator: I'm lazy and use the default install ;-) |
| 00:54.48 | johntramp | joeoshawa: i want to make it so it does disconnect, it isnt a problem with the router disconnecting me |
| 00:54.52 | indicator | Xenguy, that's nice but irrelevant... o_o |
| 00:54.52 | Some_Person | The noise is a high-pitched whine. I don't really know what's causing it exactly |
| 00:55.10 | Xenguy | indicator: harsh words |
| 00:55.49 | Xenguy | indicator: but you're right that I don't have any advice for you, I just don't know |
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| 00:57.47 | U2 | 1234567890 |
| 00:57.57 | U2 | any taiwan people |
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| 01:21.43 | jbrks | can anyone help me determine if this is real hardware raid? http://www.highpoint-tech.cn/USA/rr1740.htm |
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| 01:23.37 | Karmsi | Where do I go for the operators of this network? |
| 01:23.55 | Pici | Karmsi: #freenode |
| 01:23.55 | XLV | Karmsi, to NOC |
| 01:23.56 | jbrks | Karmsi, same name as the server |
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| 01:31.27 | nsadmin | how can I find out what's listening on a port? |
| 01:34.15 | prince_jammys | netstat is all i know. |
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| 01:34.41 | nsadmin | I see it but not what process |
| 01:34.51 | nsadmin | using netstat -an |
| 01:35.29 | crass | netstat -apn |
| 01:35.38 | prince_jammys | -lpn |
| 01:35.58 | prince_jammys | (maybe, since listening seems to be all you care about) |
| 01:36.03 | nsadmin | ohh, it -is- linuxsampler |
| 01:37.05 | nsadmin | yeah, I just want to see what it is |
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| 01:41.17 | Jimmyk_ | Hey Anyone here good with VPN server? PPTP to be specific |
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| 01:43.41 | jimmy_kash | No VPN lovers here? |
| 01:44.56 | boudiccas | jimmy_kash; two minutes is not enough time for people to reply! |
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| 01:45.20 | jimmy_kash | boudiccas: sorry mate - i am new to this - my bad |
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| 02:07.04 | zleslie | why does it have to be pptp? |
| 02:08.12 | zleslie | ah, he left |
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| 02:12.55 | Karmsi | Guys, look at this: |
| 02:12.59 | Karmsi | "at the most absolute extreme i would like to assrape with my fist the sonofabitch doctor who circumcised my person and castrate the fucker with my teeth before finally making him chocke to death on his own cock and balls berfore finally ripping his bloody throuat out with my teeth" |
| 02:13.24 | simonlnu | !ops Karmsi ^^ |
| 02:13.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: Karmsi ^^ |
| 02:13.33 | boudiccas | Karina; please take your rant elsewhere |
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| 02:14.09 | simonlnu | thank you peterS |
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| 02:32.25 | LinuxNoob | How big should my swap partition be if I have 3gb of ram |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | depends what the system is doing |
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| 02:33.03 | LinuxNoob | Mostly java programming |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | do you expect your programs to use more than say .. 2GB RAM ? |
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| 02:34.01 | LinuxNoob | I use VirtualBox which sometimes uses that much |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | maybe 2GB swap? you won't know til you start using swap |
| 02:34.49 | LinuxNoob | I put it as 6gb which is probably way too much |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | probably .. but if you have 1TB of disk .. you won't notice |
| 02:35.39 | Some_Person | besides, you need 3GB to hibernate anyway (if you use that function) |
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| 02:36.01 | mentor | Ugh, it's really annoying that you can't just reserve space for that |
| 02:36.22 | LinuxNoob | Would 4gb be good? |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 02:37.07 | mentor | I would say too much |
| 02:37.41 | mentor | There's a benefit to being able to store some pages, but it basically doesn't scale with memory size |
| 02:37.42 | LinuxNoob | Also LVM won't let me resize a swap partition, if I delete it then create it again with the same name and position will that be fine? |
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| 02:37.55 | mentor | LinuxNoob: If you unswap it |
| 02:37.56 | GRMrGecko | I have a server which allocates 5 IP addresses. The problem is 4 of them do not work until I stop and start the networking service |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | you can always create a swapfile |
| 02:38.00 | mentor | swapoff |
| 02:38.04 | GRMrGecko | any fix? |
| 02:38.11 | GRMrGecko | or should I just make it so when it boots |
| 02:38.16 | LinuxNoob | mentor: what do you mean |
| 02:38.16 | GRMrGecko | it'll restart that? |
| 02:38.19 | mentor | Yeah, there's practically no difference between swap partition and file these days |
| 02:38.28 | mentor | LinuxNoob: You have to stop using hte swap before you can delete it |
| 02:38.48 | LinuxNoob | I'm on a different install that's not using this LVM |
| 02:39.13 | LinuxNoob | So the swap isn't currently being used |
| 02:39.20 | mentor | Then yes, there is no issue with deleting and recreating a partition that has never been used for anything |
| 02:39.33 | mentor | In vim, is it possible to to pull the last search pattern into an ex command? |
| 02:39.39 | GRMrGecko | the 4 IP addresses that do not work are all public where as the local one works all the time. |
| 02:39.44 | allisterb | hello is there anything in squeeze that would be changing the cpufreq MAX_SPEED and MIN_SPEED speed without my knowledge? I have the performance governor and max and min speed set in /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils but something keeps changing those limits to 800MHZ - 800MHZ... |
| 02:40.01 | mentor | GRMrGecko: "networking service" |
| 02:40.02 | mentor | ? |
| 02:40.07 | LinuxNoob | mentor: it's used in my Debian install, I also have a wubi install that I'm on and it isn't being used by |
| 02:40.16 | GRMrGecko | mentor: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 02:40.17 | allisterb | I haven't installed any other cpu related programs |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | allisterb: there are apps that can control that dynamically |
| 02:40.35 | mentor | Nothing is stored in a swap partition when it isn't live except if it has been hibernated to |
| 02:40.52 | LinuxNoob | Okay, deleting it then |
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| 02:41.12 | mentor | GRMrGecko: They should start automatically; how have you configured them? |
| 02:41.32 | GRMrGecko | mentor: the first IP address works on eth0 |
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| 02:41.43 | GRMrGecko | however the additional ones on eth1 doesn't. |
| 02:41.47 | walle | hello all :） |
| 02:41.51 | mentor | allisterb: On a slightly related note, it's usually slightly pointless to change CPU frequency speed. |
| 02:41.51 | GRMrGecko | I'll give you an example of the config |
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| 02:42.03 | walle | how can I contribute to debian project. |
| 02:42.19 | LinuxNoob | Could someone explain a swap file to me? |
| 02:42.23 | mentor | walle: Find something that matters to you, make it good, and let everyone else benefit |
| 02:42.44 | mentor | walle: Supporting people here is helpful, for example |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | LinuxNoob: explain what? |
| 02:42.48 | walle | mentor: I want to get a start |
| 02:42.55 | GRMrGecko | mentor: http://pastebin.com/KsKarzdS |
| 02:42.59 | walle | mentor: any way? |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | walle: contribute how? code? bugs? support? |
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| 02:43.18 | LinuxNoob | How to use a swap file |
| 02:43.18 | walle | abrotman: may be some bug, or some code |
| 02:43.45 | mentor | LinuxNoob: Processes use memory. Sometimes they use that memory once or only infrequently; that memory can be written to the hard disk and the memory used for something else. |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/intro/help < walle |
| 02:43.50 | LinuxNoob | And shit, system-config-LVM wont let me create the swap partition after deleting it |
| 02:43.58 | mentor | LinuxNoob: Often this is simply keeping a copy of files in memory |
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| 02:45.49 | walle | abrotman: which one is the best irc client on debian for console |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | irssi |
| 02:46.47 | LinuxNoob | Ugh I hate LVM |
| 02:47.03 | LinuxNoob | I used it because it was supposed to be simple |
| 02:47.14 | LinuxNoob | In reality it's a pain |
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| 02:48.06 | GRMrGecko | Anyone who understands what could be stopping this from working? |
| 02:49.41 | DammitJim | silly question... how do I allow a regular user to run a mount command w/o doing sudo? |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | DammitJim: depends on the mount in question |
| 02:50.38 | dvs | DammitJim: add the "users" flag? |
| 02:51.27 | DammitJim | what do you mean by "users" flag |
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| 02:51.37 | DammitJim | I just want to mount network drives |
| 02:52.17 | dvs | DammitJim: the "users" flag with the -o option |
| 02:52.49 | walle | abrotman: but irssi can't work fine on debian gnome desktop |
| 02:52.51 | dvs | or in the /etc/fstab file |
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| 02:53.57 | LinuxNoob | I've used the disk partitioner in the debian install cd way too much |
| 02:53.59 | LinuxNoob | -_- |
| 02:54.17 | mentor | GRMrGecko: Is eth1 entirely down after startup? |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | walle: sure it can .. i use it with gnome |
| 02:54.37 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Well… I can connect to the IP addresses locally, but not externally. |
| 02:54.44 | mentor | GRMrGecko: My immediate suspicion is that the second ethernet interface is initialised only after a delay |
| 02:54.46 | mentor | eh? |
| 02:54.49 | GRMrGecko | I can connect to it externally after I restart it. |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | walle: it's not *GUI* .. but if you use gnome-terminal .. you can use it with the gnome settings, etc |
| 02:54.56 | GRMrGecko | the networking service* |
| 02:55.04 | mentor | So, is the link from eth1 to wherever up? |
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| 02:55.42 | GRMrGecko | mentor: What do you mean? |
| 02:55.50 | GRMrGecko | if your talking about the T1 line |
| 02:55.51 | GRMrGecko | yes. |
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| 02:55.56 | mentor | GRMrGecko: Well, ethernet has a link state |
| 02:56.08 | mentor | So, the ethernet interface is plugged into a T1 modem? |
| 02:56.26 | GRMrGecko | I don't think you call it a modem, but yes. |
| 02:56.32 | mentor | adapter |
| 02:57.17 | GRMrGecko | all I know is it only works externally after I stop and start networking. |
| 02:57.34 | mentor | Right, so when the it isn't working, is the ethernet link up? |
| 02:58.01 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Do you mean status of blinking lights or ifconfig? |
| 02:58.15 | mentor | I mean the Ethernet layer link status |
| 02:58.30 | GRMrGecko | mentor: How do I find this out? |
| 02:58.42 | mentor | This cna usually be found by a green hardware light coming on, or through ethtool or similar |
| 02:58.58 | mentor | sometimes also a netlink notification |
| 02:59.08 | GRMrGecko | I'm not at the physical location |
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| 02:59.44 | mentor | OK, well the next thing I would check is for ARP or better traffic using tcpdump |
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| 03:00.26 | mentor | GRMrGecko: If the addresses are actually configured on the interface, I would tend to categorise this as a hardware/driver initialisation issue |
| 03:00.29 | mentor | Not userspace |
| 03:01.06 | walle | abrotman: yes, I use it in gnome-terminal |
| 03:01.09 | GRMrGecko | it's still funny how eth0 works perfectly and I can connect internally |
| 03:01.22 | mentor | mmm |
| 03:01.33 | mentor | What do you mean by "internally"? |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | walle: so what's the problem ? |
| 03:02.00 | GRMrGecko | mentor: If I was on an 192. address, I could talk to the public IP of eth1 |
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| 03:02.12 | factor | Does libhid have a package |
| 03:02.20 | mentor | GRMrGecko: Well, if the box is routing, of course? |
| 03:02.20 | GRMrGecko | example, the ubuntu server I am sshing at the location |
| 03:02.47 | mentor | This would be precisely a problem from driver to T1 adapter |
| 03:02.52 | mentor | then |
| 03:02.55 | walle | abrotman: when I use nicklist plugin, it do nothing |
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| 03:03.09 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Should I get kernel log? |
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| 03:03.50 | walle | abrotman: and, when I want to switch channel with ALT-1,2,3,4,5,6,.... it only switch gnome-terminal tab |
| 03:03.55 | mentor | walle: First rule of reporting problems: What are you trying to achieve; what are you actually doing; what do you expect; and how do those previous two differ. |
| 03:03.56 | mentor | :) |
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| 03:04.49 | mentor | GRMrGecko: You should have a look, but I think this may be beginning to be a problem that needs to get reported to the appropriate developers |
| 03:04.55 | walle | mentor: irssi not work well in gnome-terminal |
| 03:05.24 | walle | mentor: nicklist can not work, and ALT-number can not switch channel |
| 03:05.27 | mentor | Well, I'd say use xchat or similar |
| 03:05.51 | mentor | No, Alt-# is captured for the GUI |
| 03:06.01 | mentor | There might be a setting for it in gnome-terminal however. |
| 03:06.47 | mentor | remembers that he was trying to do somehting in vim |
| 03:07.08 | GRMrGecko | mentor: http://pastebin.com/AAnz0RJZ |
| 03:07.34 | mentor | GRMrGecko: Did you see anything suspicious at all? |
| 03:07.42 | GRMrGecko | looking now |
| 03:08.28 | GRMrGecko | 28.824449 downward looks suspecious |
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| 03:09.33 | GRMrGecko | at 69.822934 is when I restarted to get external working. |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | walle: i use /win # or ctrl-p/n .. just the way i use it |
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| 03:11.09 | walle | abrotman: I had try this method, but also doesn't work |
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| 03:11.33 | abrotman | it should .. |
| 03:11.34 | walle | abrotman: I think this is irssi's problem |
| 03:11.50 | abrotman | it's a mixing of apps .. but like i said .. my method works fine |
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| 03:11.54 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Do you agree with my thoughts? I may be a programmer, but I don't know that much about OS debugging. |
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| 03:12.13 | walle | abrotman: also, gnome default IM program e****(forgot :) ) also can't connect to irc |
| 03:12.21 | mentor | I'm slower than you |
| 03:12.31 | walle | abrotman: so I switch to pidgin |
| 03:14.03 | GRMrGecko | I usually start from the end upward because it's more recent and where networking should be initialized |
| 03:14.43 | mentor | GRMrGecko: I was looking at all the hardware initialisation |
| 03:14.53 | mentor | Is the ethernet onboard? |
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| 03:16.34 | abrotman | walle: try xchat |
| 03:17.00 | walle | abrotman: I want to use console irc ....:( |
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| 03:17.45 | walle | abrotman: how can i do ? |
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| 03:18.21 | walle | abrotman: I want a colorfull and beautiful irc client in console |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | and then he left .. |
| 03:20.14 | dvs | maybe he found one |
| 03:20.34 | GRMrGecko | abrotman: Tell him to try telnet:P |
| 03:20.43 | dvs | or gopher |
| 03:20.51 | mentor | GRMrGecko: It can be done |
| 03:20.53 | simonlnu | maybe he figured out you can that stuff off |
| 03:21.18 | mentor | GRMrGecko: All those MSI/MSI-X IRQ messages look suspect to me. However, they are happening for all the Ethernet devices |
| 03:21.22 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Just installed updates to the kernel, let's see what happens. |
| 03:22.19 | mentor | The other thing is that there seems to be some missing ACPI stuff for the system baord |
| 03:22.48 | mentor | Yes, definitely trying newer kernels is a good plan at this point. |
| 03:22.59 | mentor | GRMrGecko: I note also that eth1 gets reported as up at least |
| 03:23.19 | GRMrGecko | just installed linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:23.28 | Jimmy_Kash | I am after some hopefully basic VPN help. ANy takers? |
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| 03:25.08 | mentor | Jimmy_Kash: Possibly, you'll need to be more specific |
| 03:25.13 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Same problem. |
| 03:25.25 | mentor | GRMrGecko: Any change with the ACPI? |
| 03:25.42 | GRMrGecko | I'll check |
| 03:26.11 | GRMrGecko | were you talking about the AE_NOT_EXIST mentor? |
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| 03:27.01 | mentor | yes |
| 03:27.48 | mentor | GRMrGecko: |
| 03:28.14 | GRMrGecko | still there. |
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| 03:28.40 | GRMrGecko | also those MSI/MSI-X messages still there |
| 03:29.20 | GRMrGecko | I am pretty sure that bnx2 was the NIC drivers I had to install from the non-free stuff |
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| 03:30.16 | mentor | GRMrGecko: driver or firmware? |
| 03:30.27 | mentor | bnx is the driver for all your eth interfaces |
| 03:30.58 | GRMrGecko | mentor: Firmware is as far as I know what the NIC has itself, nothing to do with the OS. |
| 03:31.03 | GRMrGecko | driver is used to communicate |
| 03:31.09 | GRMrGecko | so I would assume driver. |
| 03:31.14 | mentor | Well |
| 03:31.25 | mentor | All the non-free firmware has been stripped out of the kernel |
| 03:31.35 | mentor | And also is not shipped in Debian main |
| 03:31.46 | GRMrGecko | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-bnx2 |
| 03:31.51 | GRMrGecko | that's what I had to install |
| 03:31.54 | mentor | So one usually has to install a firmware package to load into the hardware |
| 03:32.07 | mentor | Yes, it's just the firmware which gets loaded into the device |
| 03:32.55 | GRMrGecko | so the kernel loads it into the device and that allows debian to communicate to it using it's drivers already built in? |
| 03:33.06 | mentor | The device runs the firmware |
| 03:33.25 | mentor | Most hardware is actually some sort of microcontroller these days |
| 03:33.31 | mentor | Especially big networking stuff |
| 03:33.48 | GRMrGecko | ok |
| 03:33.56 | GRMrGecko | so what do you recommend me do? |
| 03:33.58 | mentor | Well |
| 03:34.02 | GRMrGecko | write a work around and report it? |
| 03:34.28 | mentor | My ideas are now mostly to physically swap the cables around on the server |
| 03:34.36 | mentor | Try the same ports with a device other than the modem |
| 03:34.41 | mentor | Try sniffing it |
| 03:34.53 | mentor | And then report to the driver maintainer if necessary |
| 03:35.02 | GRMrGecko | sounds like a lot of work. |
| 03:35.16 | mentor | From a practical point of view, to make it work now, I would hack it |
| 03:35.25 | GRMrGecko | I cannot bring the server down again... |
| 03:35.33 | mentor | With the knowledge that this of course will break again at some point |
| 03:35.41 | mentor | Well, make sure you document your hack then |
| 03:35.54 | GRMrGecko | mentor: I document everything |
| 03:35.59 | mentor | hugs GRMrGecko |
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| 03:36.16 | GRMrGecko | the hack will be a sleep 5 and then the service restarts |
| 03:37.06 | GRMrGecko | I had to wait until everyone left work to get these IP addresses configured |
| 03:37.14 | GRMrGecko | and apparently, I'm still working on it:P |
| 03:37.22 | GRMrGecko | working way past my time |
| 03:37.34 | mentor | Oh dear |
| 03:37.56 | mentor | GRMrGecko: Presumably you've got some sort of network monitoring also? |
| 03:38.15 | mentor | I just fear that it might break differently |
| 03:38.27 | GRMrGecko | depends on what you mean by that? |
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| 03:39.22 | mentor | Er, something, that pings the network link and tells you if it breaks |
| 03:39.47 | GRMrGecko | I do not |
| 03:39.55 | GRMrGecko | but I will hear from people if something's not working |
| 03:39.57 | GRMrGecko | lol |
| 03:40.19 | mentor | I suppose that counts |
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| 03:41.13 | GRMrGecko | this is the server for our intranet |
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| 03:42.00 | mentor | Yes, I can't think of a compelling reason why people don't count |
| 03:42.14 | mentor | If it was a public service that wasn't used internally, then it wouldn't, but it isn;t |
| 03:44.54 | nevyn | ah yes.. the alternative to nagios... meatmachinemonitoring |
| 03:45.01 | nevyn | if your sla's let you why not. |
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| 03:46.14 | mentor | nevyn: It'd be nice if one could fix problems before they're noticed. Also, I want a pony. |
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| 03:47.51 | nevyn | mentor: the sla's I have don't allow meatmachinemonitoring |
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| 03:50.42 | _joey | what's better - debian or centos? |
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| 03:52.16 | mentor | _joey: No trolling please |
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| 03:53.42 | Some_Person | _joey: Seriously, what IRC channel are you in? What answers do you expect to get? |
| 03:53.50 | _joey | it's a genuine question |
| 03:54.19 | Some_Person | I'd imagine that most people in #debian would claim debian is better, and most people in #centos would claim otherwise |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | _joey: you're in #debian .. we're going to tell you Debian |
| 03:54.46 | Some_Person | It's a subjective thing. You can't just evaluate it that way |
| 03:55.00 | comradekingu | _joey: Debian is self-respecting not to answer |
| 03:55.03 | _joey | people on ##linux may not be using either distro and I need an objective opinion |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | _joey: if you need to know for your situation .. you need to try them both and evaluate them both .. end of discussion |
| 03:55.40 | Some_Person | _joey: Then go ask there. kthxbye |
| 03:55.52 | _joey | I am going to run commercial software. I'd choose Debian for a stable distro but |
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| 03:56.00 | _joey | commercial software is usually packaged in rpm |
| 03:56.05 | _joey | that's a problem |
| 03:56.15 | abrotman | if that's something you depend on, there's your answer |
| 03:56.15 | Some_Person | And there's no way to objectively compare 2 distros anyway. It's mostly about personal opinion |
| 03:56.29 | abrotman | _joey: you need to try them both .. we can't answer which is better for *you* |
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| 03:57.08 | _joey | it's not like I can't install using yum or apt-get/aptitude or configure scripts in /etc |
| 03:57.33 | Some_Person | _joey: ? |
| 03:58.14 | comradekingu | _joey: Well, then the world provided you with two valid options, still comes down to your choice |
| 03:58.47 | Some_Person | Just try both. They both have live versions. Run them for a little while, see which one you like |
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| 04:00.13 | mentor | _joey: Unless you provide a rigorous specification of your needs, we can only say what we like, of which you should be able to guess the result. |
| 04:00.37 | mentor | !better |
| 04:00.38 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 04:01.14 | _joey | it used to be a good irc channel |
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| 04:01.40 | abrotman | OMFG, Debian is the best thing since 28.8 modems! |
| 04:01.52 | _joey | :) |
| 04:01.59 | _joey | 14.4 |
| 04:02.03 | DammitJim | I thought abrotman was going to say 14.4 |
| 04:02.04 | in2tactics | hey man i liked my 9600 bps modem |
| 04:02.08 | DammitJim | ^5 _joey |
| 04:02.09 | DammitJim | lol |
| 04:02.10 | abrotman | child .. |
| 04:02.12 | mentor | Incidentally, does unsliced bread last longer? |
| 04:02.18 | abrotman | goes to get the coupler |
| 04:02.22 | mentor | When I was lad… |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | waits for MrFrood to start babbling about gopher .. |
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| 04:04.48 | abrotman | _joey: we honestly can't answer your question without more criteria .. generally, we'd say Debian .. but the situation may have more needs than we're aware of .. your best bet is to evaluate both for your specific needs |
| 04:05.49 | nevyn | mentor: no. |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | yes. |
| 04:06.04 | mentor | bread, I assume |
| 04:06.19 | mentor | My first ISP was called Enterprise, and all the PoPs were named after characters |
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| 04:06.41 | _joey | abrotman it's tough call for me. I like Debian, I know how to use it. I am setting up a server (not a production) for myself to run commercial software - 4G in size - which is officially supported on RHEL 6 |
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| 04:06.47 | mentor | Also, you could get ISP emails, and one of my friends had uhuru@enterprise.net |
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| 04:07.22 | abrotman | _joey: it's up to you .. Oracle used to not support Debian (not sure anymore) but you could get it to run on Debian if you were persistent .. your call |
| 04:07.39 | mentor | I would set up a Debian machine and then have the RHEL in a VM where I could poke at it from afar |
| 04:07.47 | _joey | abrotman: SAS |
| 04:07.59 | _joey | I never used it on Linux |
| 04:08.03 | mentor | Which incidentally was reoughly the technique used for some software that had to run on Win98 |
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| 04:08.13 | abrotman | _joey: SAS or SAP ?> |
| 04:08.23 | _joey | SAS |
| 04:08.26 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:08.52 | joeoshawa | can someone tell me where to find the info they want and what info they want for a bug report on gnome not working |
| 04:09.08 | mentor | sends abrotman through two slits to interfere with himself |
| 04:09.31 | mentor | joeoshawa: That rather depends on what you mean by "not working" |
| 04:09.35 | joeoshawa | the other bug report they marked as solved even tho the guys system is toast |
| 04:09.45 | joeoshawa | can't log in |
| 04:10.14 | joeoshawa | then i created a file for login that got me into gnome 3 |
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| 04:11.06 | joeoshawa | but nothing works except i get the wallpaper and i can ctrl alt del which gives me a logout screen |
| 04:11.13 | _joey | what glibc version are used on stable? |
| 04:11.22 | _joey | *is* |
| 04:11.37 | somiaj | ,versions libc6 |
| 04:11.39 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 04:11.58 | _joey | thanks |
| 04:12.44 | joeoshawa | now the problem is someone else had the same issue but they marked as solved when its not due to not enough info |
| 04:13.31 | somiaj | joeoshawa: have you tried #debian-next on irc.debian.org (this is not the network or the channell for testing/sid support) |
| 04:14.34 | mentor | joeoshawa: Why was it marked as solved? |
| 04:14.58 | joeoshawa | dunno |
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| 04:15.31 | joeoshawa | they guy who did it said that he was due to not enough info but to me that would be closed not solved |
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| 04:16.04 | mentor | Is this on the GNOME bugzilla or Debian? |
| 04:16.15 | joeoshawa | debian |
| 04:16.38 | mentor | I'm not sure the BTS distinguishes between closed and solved |
| 04:16.48 | mentor | Either way, you can reopen it with more info. |
| 04:16.57 | joeoshawa | i don't have more info |
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| 04:17.18 | joeoshawa | i don't know why it doesn't work only that it doesn't |
| 04:17.43 | joeoshawa | i don't know where to find reports that might tell the problem |
| 04:17.53 | GTRsdk | Is it possible to uninstall the nvidia drivers if I cannot log in via GUI or using a tty? |
| 04:17.57 | joeoshawa | or where to look up the error |
| 04:18.04 | mentor | Did the maintainer ask for more information? |
| 04:18.25 | joeoshawa | yes but he wasn't specific about what he wanted |
| 04:19.01 | joeoshawa | it looked like basically you didn't tell us anything so bye |
| 04:19.01 | mentor | Was he more specific than "more information"? |
| 04:19.10 | joeoshawa | nope |
| 04:19.20 | joeoshawa | not that i could see |
| 04:19.22 | mentor | OK |
| 04:19.31 | joeoshawa | i am trying to find it again |
| 04:19.35 | mentor | So, you could reopen with a question about which information he wants |
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| 04:19.45 | joeoshawa | but i forgot the web site |
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| 04:21.23 | mentor | bugs.debian.org |
| 04:21.41 | nsadmin | , versions intltool |
| 04:21.41 | judd | Package: intltool on i386 -- lenny: 0.40.0-1; squeeze: 0.41.1-1; sid: 0.41.1-3; wheezy: 0.41.1-3 |
| 04:23.10 | joeoshawa | can't find the bug report now |
| 04:24.01 | mentor | Well, you could do a new one |
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| 04:25.06 | somiaj | GTRsdk: you can ssh into the machine (if you have sshd running), but you need to either boot up into some recovery mode or log into the system somehow |
| 04:25.15 | joeoshawa | i haven't had good experience with bug reports but i do know they freak out when you file multiple bug reports with out searching |
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| 04:25.46 | mentor | GTRsdk: You really should be able to get a tty |
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| 04:26.04 | GTRsdk | mentor: all I get is a _ that blinks randomly |
| 04:26.27 | GTRsdk | somiaj: I only have access to this computer (running off of an Ubuntu live CD) |
| 04:26.29 | mentor | Do you get boot messages before that? |
| 04:26.32 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... if i made a qt application on debian ... will it work on other distributions with higher qt version ? |
| 04:27.09 | mentor | cobra-the-joker: It will work with Qt versions with the same API |
| 04:27.30 | cobra-the-joker | mentor , ok then |
| 04:27.32 | mentor | cobra-the-joker: It depends on the APIs you use, but usually there's a major break with every major version |
| 04:27.34 | somiaj | GTRsdk: you can mount your root file system (And any other partitions) on /mnt (or somewhere in the live system) -- chroot into the mounted system. Once you do that you can uninstall the packages with dpkg/apt (provided you installed the nvidia drivers the debian way) |
| 04:27.39 | GTRsdk | mentor: I do get some messages like loaded gdm3, but nothing after the gdm3 one |
| 04:27.44 | GTRsdk | only the blinking _ |
| 04:27.56 | cobra-the-joker | mentor , break ? |
| 04:28.11 | mentor | GTRsdk: Do you know that you can switch to a virtual terminal by pressing ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 04:28.22 | mentor | cobra-the-joker: Yes, as in: different |
| 04:28.27 | GTRsdk | mentor: that is what I was trying to do |
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| 04:28.33 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
| 04:28.56 | mentor | GTRsdk: Have you tried booting into the recovery console? |
| 04:29.08 | GTRsdk | mentor: not sure how to do that |
| 04:29.50 | mentor | GTRsdk: I believe Debian installs 2 options in grub by default |
| 04:29.56 | GTRsdk | somiaj: so I could use this LiveCD to get into my Debian hard drive and uninstall the stuff from the debian hard drive? |
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| 04:30.09 | GTRsdk | mentor: oh that recovery mode |
| 04:30.17 | mentor | :P |
| 04:30.26 | GTRsdk | mentor: is there a terminal option to remove the nvidia* packages? |
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| 04:30.44 | mentor | GTRsdk: You can use apt-get or aptitude |
| 04:31.02 | somiaj | GTRsdk: sure you can use a LiveCD or even a debian installer cd to chroot into the root partition and then you are basically inside your install. Use the cli tools to install/remove things to fix it (this is provided the base system is working fine, it just isn't booting due to as you said nvidia drivers) |
| 04:31.10 | GTRsdk | okay so I can lod a terminal from there? |
| 04:31.53 | somiaj | no, you use the terminal in your liveCD/rescue cd...look up chroot, its really what is doing the work for you (while you are running on the kernel/os of the liveCD or resuceCD |
| 04:32.05 | GTRsdk | somiaj: I think the way mentor is telling me to remove the packages will probably be the easiest. |
| 04:32.25 | mentor | Well |
| 04:32.28 | GTRsdk | wait it is just removing the packages and not having to recompile the kernel right? |
| 04:32.38 | mentor | chrooting is the same idea, but with chroot instead of reboot |
| 04:32.48 | mentor | We'll still be here with chroot… |
| 04:32.49 | somiaj | GTRsdk: problem with booting into a recovery mode is you still boot into your root partition, which if there is an error causing it not to fully boot could still be present. Chroot is more relaiable |
| 04:33.23 | somiaj | there is a slight difference between booting off of the recovery cd into your root file system, as opposed to booting into a live(or semi live) system and chrooting into your root partition. |
| 04:36.05 | GTRsdk | I'll try the recovery mode option in GRUB and see what I can do from there. |
| 04:37.20 | somiaj | that is mostly single user mode -- again the livesystem with chroot will work in almost any circumstances the system can be fixed...the others work in many cases (depending on what is broken) |
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| 04:40.00 | walle | hello |
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| 04:42.35 | GTRsdk | mentor, that worked well |
| 04:42.38 | GTRsdk | thanks! |
| 04:43.25 | mentor | Some of the 3D stuff does work with newer kernel and X drivers |
| 04:43.33 | walle | hello |
| 04:43.54 | GTRsdk | ah that would explain it |
| 04:43.55 | walle | 01 |
| 04:48.20 | mentor | I mean, for nvidia cards, which, of course, have no documentation whatsoever and are utterly evil |
| 04:51.18 | walle | s |
| 04:51.36 | walle | weechat |
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| 05:00.17 | windparadise | hello good morning, pls I don't know how do fix this configuration, I can send mail but I can't receive it, in the log, I can see the mail is appended to a subdomain |
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| 05:01.57 | walle | hello all, I find weechat is better than irssi on gnome-terminal |
| 05:03.29 | walle | anybody use weechat? |
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| 05:03.58 | Rusty1 | windparadise: there is a #postfix channel, if that is any help |
| 05:04.35 | windparadise | normally, I don't want to ok |
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| 05:15.25 | mentor | finishes yak shaving |
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| 05:24.05 | joeoshawa | apparently the new x and nvidia don't play nice and i was told its an nvidia problem. I think personally since i never had an issue till gnome 3 its a gnome 3 issue not nvidia but what do i know. anyway if you have a decent card don't use wheezy |
| 05:24.35 | joeoshawa | its the proprietary drivers |
| 05:25.58 | somiaj | joeoshawa: its a combination. the xorg abi no longer supports its privious versions. nvidia used an abi version of xorg that is no longer supported or in xorg -- have to wait for nvidia to fully support it. Some of their drivers support it, but its still kinda flaky |
| 05:27.01 | joeoshawa | what is with they hey it ain't broke so lets fix it attitude |
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| 05:27.28 | joeoshawa | if it worked why change |
| 05:27.36 | somiaj | standards change, things get depericiated, that is what moving targets and constantly evolving software does |
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| 05:27.49 | somiaj | if you want something that works, why are you running testing and gnome3 (during its transational phase) |
| 05:27.58 | somiaj | go back to stable + gnome2 where it does work and is frozen |
| 05:28.49 | joeoshawa | cause i was trying to compile something and they took a whole bunch of libraries out of squeeze that i needed |
| 05:29.00 | joeoshawa | and put them back in in wheezy |
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| 05:29.49 | joeoshawa | however now i get an error that it needs a package squeeze has and wheezy doesn't |
| 05:29.59 | somiaj | they took libaries out of squeeze, that sounds fairly unstandard. Which ones? |
| 05:30.12 | joeoshawa | don't remember |
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| 05:32.39 | somiaj | well I'd be intersted because squeeze is frozen and its very rare things are taken out, and in the rare case it happens there is always ample justification. |
| 05:33.34 | qop2 | hello there, anybody uses an Intel HD 3000 gfx card? |
| 05:33.41 | somiaj | joeoshawa: again have you tried #debian-next on irc.debian.org, that is where people should pool to share testing/sid problems and work to figure them out. I do run sid, but I don't run anything fancy, no gnome, no kde, fairly minimilstic system so I don't know about many of the gnome3 issues |
| 05:33.51 | somiaj | qop2: really a bad question. Why not ask your real question. |
| 05:34.38 | qop2 | somiaj: that is my question |
| 05:35.40 | qop2 | ok extended: anybody here that uses an Intel HD 3000 gfx card, how well do you think it performs with your graphics |
| 05:35.45 | somiaj | qop2: yes someone in the world uses an Intel HD 3000 gfc card. There is your answer. |
| 05:35.51 | nevyn | !poll |
| 05:35.52 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 05:36.05 | qop2 | somiaj: I didnt ask that... |
| 05:36.27 | somiaj | qop2: you asked if anybody uses an Inteld hd 30000 gfc card. (word for word) |
| 05:36.39 | qop2 | .. yeah whatever |
| 05:36.59 | mentor | joeoshawa: The 3D system in X and the kernel is undergoing massive change at the moment. It is massively naive to think this can be done whilst maintaining ABI compatibility |
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| 05:37.18 | mentor | s/change/improvement/ |
| 05:37.29 | somiaj | qop2: which is why I said you should ask your real question and not poll the room. Your second question is a bit better to answer. (: |
| 05:37.34 | joeoshawa | somiaj, yes i did go there i was telling you what i was told |
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| 05:37.50 | mentor | joeoshawa: Frankly, it's your fault for buying hardware from a company that won't give you the information on how to actually use it. |
| 05:38.29 | somiaj | joeoshawa: ok, well best of luck and welcome to testing. I just hope my gforce 460 gtx gets RMA'd soon so I can put my desktop back to gether and figure out these nvidia woes |
| 05:38.39 | mentor | joeoshawa: Failing that, it's nvidia's fault for not providing enough resources to their Linux driver people |
| 05:38.42 | joeoshawa | my hardware has worked just fine till gnome 3 and it works with the other desktops just not gnome3 |
| 05:39.23 | mentor | That's likely because gnome 3 is actually trying to use the 3D rendering engine |
| 05:39.51 | mentor | Modern graphics cars /only/ provide 3D acceleration engines |
| 05:39.59 | joeoshawa | and i won't use ati garbage that has crappy garbage drivers |
| 05:40.11 | mentor | Haha |
| 05:40.12 | mentor | Irony |
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| 05:40.23 | mentor | Without using it, you're using an massively expensive framebuffer |
| 05:40.24 | joeoshawa | used it and had nothing but issues |
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| 05:40.42 | mentor | I'm using ATI now, and it works fine |
| 05:40.48 | qop2 | mentor: there are new moves |
| 05:40.54 | mentor | qop2: ? |
| 05:40.55 | somiaj | I was a debian purist for my desktop (i'm a gamer), but for my laptop I have not had one issue with the free radeon drivers |
| 05:41.12 | qop2 | mentor: trying to find a link lol ... |
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| 05:43.08 | joeoshawa | i know people who have and are using ati cards who say that cannot get the most potential out of their cards because ati refuses to support their cards with proper drivers |
| 05:43.19 | joeoshawa | on mac windows and linux |
| 05:43.37 | mentor | Well… |
| 05:43.40 | mentor | I think that's crap |
| 05:43.55 | mentor | They've provided documentation for the hardware |
| 05:44.12 | qop2 | mentor: oh whatever it was the name cant recall but there is a new X that is very small and have no deps with xorg nor xfree |
| 05:44.16 | mentor | So, really, the potential to be evoked is limited only by the amount of effort put in |
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| 05:44.23 | mentor | qop2: You mean Wayland? |
| 05:44.32 | mentor | or Y? |
| 05:44.32 | qop2 | ah that thing |
| 05:44.58 | qop2 | yeah wayland |
| 05:45.27 | mentor | Well, if I had to point at a critical component, I would say that the GLSL compiler in mesa is probably the low hanging fruit at the moment |
| 05:45.34 | mentor | But, I'm mostly a layman here |
| 05:46.06 | qop2 | mentor: and about the ATi thing, it is true, most cards do not get full functionality under Linux |
| 05:46.21 | qop2 | mentor: amd seems to be trying to catch up lately though |
| 05:46.34 | qop2 | and radeon guys do a very good job for the looks |
| 05:48.05 | mentor | I think the ATi/AMD has moved to a community driven driver model |
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| 05:48.38 | qop2 | not quite |
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| 05:48.57 | somiaj | qop2: yea, but unless you want to game full support isn't needed for most things. (: |
| 05:49.00 | qop2 | they both share code but the propietary drivers are far from open |
| 05:49.10 | mentor | Well indeed |
| 05:49.22 | mentor | And it's unlikely that most of the proprietary code will be opened |
| 05:49.25 | mentor | As I understand it |
| 05:49.33 | qop2 | somiaj: yes well, depends what an specific person uses and how yes |
| 05:50.18 | mentor | However, there are full driver developers' manuals for the hardware, with more documentation being released as the bloody lawyers will let it out. |
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| 06:13.01 | Dewi | how would I go about getting a source package from testing of a year ago? |
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| 06:13.49 | Dewi | ah got it |
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| 06:14.52 | asshole123421421 | debian good |
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| 06:15.28 | asshole123421421 | NAZI |
| 06:15.46 | asshole123421421 | ls -al |
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| 06:17.19 | windparadise | hello, pls can someone help? I don't knwowhy I can't receive my mails, |
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| 06:17.37 | windparadise | please can you have a look at the log report at http://pastebin.com/rfEffG15 specialy from line 23 |
| 06:17.40 | windparadise | 239 rather |
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| 06:19.07 | mentor | windparadise: I think you'd be better asking in #postfix really |
| 06:19.54 | windparadise | they can't help |
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| 06:30.23 | walle | hello all |
| 06:30.39 | walle | I'm in weechaat :) it's fancy tool |
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| 06:33.05 | josh9 | walle: me too |
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| 06:33.51 | walle | josh9: I try irssi in gnome-terminal yestoday, but it can't work well |
| 06:34.04 | walle | josh9: weechat is good |
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| 06:35.01 | eledesmar | i have debian testing (wheezy) and xfce4.8 thunar 1.2.3, and i'm unable to see my disk partitions on thunar |
| 06:35.51 | eledesmar | i have added on fstab, can anyone help? |
| 06:36.36 | avernos | if i want to make a .deb file, i need to compile my app and what should i do next? |
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| 06:41.40 | walle | is night in US now? |
| 06:42.06 | somiaj | avernos: it depends. What app are you compliing and where did you get the source? |
| 06:42.47 | avernos | a little app i want to make my self |
| 06:43.02 | avernos | i am curious of the procedure of building a .deb file |
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| 06:44.22 | somiaj | avernos: you need to create a debian/ dir that contains various info about the package, its matainer, dependencies, and so on. There are tools to create a simple one, and you can look up the debian maintainer's guide for standards. |
| 06:44.41 | somiaj | avernos: though with dh_make you can auto generate almost everything for a very simple package. |
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| 06:45.11 | avernos | cool, thanks for the pointers |
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| 06:45.18 | walle | josh9: do you now why some key of weechat not work in gnome-terminal |
| 06:45.22 | Hydroxide | walle: yes, it is. 22:45-01:45 depending on time zone (or slightly earlier for alaska/hawaii) |
| 06:45.22 | walle | josh9: ? |
| 06:45.45 | somiaj | avernos: the main build script is debian/rules -- but there are other files needed for dpkg-buildpackage and the likes. |
| 06:46.00 | walle | Hydroxide: I'm in China, now is afternoon |
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| 06:49.03 | Hydroxide | walle: yes, your time zone is 13 or more hours ahead of the US, depending on where |
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| 06:52.00 | walle | Hydroxide: do you know why some default key bind of weechat not work in gnome-terminal |
| 06:53.27 | Hydroxide | walle: no, sorry, I use neither program. and don't ask individuals, ask the channel. (yes, this time of day not many people are paying attention - many europeans are just preparing to go to work, for example, and most americans are asleep.) |
| 06:53.29 | prince_jammys | i bet you weechat has an irc channel |
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| 06:54.10 | walle | Hydroxide: :-) |
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| 06:54.58 | Hydroxide | might want to ask in several hours when some europeans will be staring at IRC |
| 06:55.00 | Hydroxide | good night :) |
| 06:55.01 | walle | Hydroxide: some are sleeping, others working, it's funny :-) |
| 06:55.09 | Hydroxide | the world does that. it's a big globe :) |
| 06:55.15 | Hydroxide | goes afk now |
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| 06:55.46 | walle | Hydroxide: good night :) |
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| 07:17.58 | CloudySunshine | is there anyone around that is fluent with linux and iscsi? |
| 07:18.25 | arghx | !tell CloudySunshine about anyone |
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| 07:21.32 | nevyn | !ask |
| 07:21.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:21.54 | Dewi | longest "spam-reducing" factoid ever |
| 07:22.30 | nevyn | heh |
| 07:22.32 | nevyn | it's awesome |
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| 07:23.14 | nevyn | Dewi: it's not spam reductions is the ask smart questions discussion without me having to type it every time |
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| 08:24.31 | ElDiabolo | How do I get mesa-glx-ia32 on wheezy? This is needed to run wine with full openGL. |
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| 08:25.57 | windparadise | pls I can't log in to my squirrelmail, with this error ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 08:25.58 | windparadise | all this happening after I install cyrus and all it's derivative |
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| 08:27.41 | iderik | What command for audio driver info? Its kinda hard to google that :/ |
| 08:28.38 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: look at libgl1-mesa packages |
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| 08:30.04 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: nevermind, I know they were renamed, but I don't see any ia32 libs. |
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| 08:34.15 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: I see a libGL.so.1 in the ia32-libs package. |
| 08:34.22 | ElDiabolo | somiaj, Yeah, thats my problem. I don't have full opengl in wine and with nvidia that would be fixed by installing nvidia-glx-ia32. |
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| 08:35.09 | C2H5OH | hi, anybody experienced crashes with chromium 15 on amd64 (Debian Sid)? |
| 08:35.20 | somiaj | ElDiabolo: yea I'm surprised they wern't there, I knew about the name change, but don't see anything cept the libGL.so.1 libary in ia32-libs |
| 08:36.04 | somiaj | C2H5OH: the bts is the place to look for that. But seems I haven't upgraded to 15 yet (I have no crashs on 14) |
| 08:36.24 | C2H5OH | ok |
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| 08:37.24 | walle | anyone know *wayland*? |
| 08:39.28 | mvv | no, what is it? |
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| 08:40.22 | peterrooney | One of Sean Connery's weaker movies? |
| 08:40.23 | ElDiabolo | somiaj, Weird, its not that important, I just want to rotate the furry cube. |
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| 08:45.47 | C2H5OH | somiaj: indeed, there is a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647992 |
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| 08:46.19 | C2H5OH | walle: have you tried it? |
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| 08:57.34 | joeoshawa | i just realised i have no sound how do i go about getting it working again |
| 08:57.58 | mvv | have you turned the volume yo |
| 08:58.01 | mvv | up* |
| 08:58.02 | joeoshawa | yep |
| 08:58.08 | joeoshawa | not muted |
| 08:58.21 | mvv | installed alsa-{utils,base}? |
| 08:59.09 | joeoshawa | yep |
| 08:59.33 | walle | C2H5OH: no, I only see something in it's website |
| 08:59.43 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 08:59.54 | joeoshawa | cat /proc/version |
| 08:59.59 | C2H5OH | walle: I don't think is even ready for testing yet |
| 09:00.01 | joeoshawa | wrong window |
| 09:00.17 | walle | mvv: next-generation GNU/Linux desktop protocol |
| 09:00.20 | mvv | are you in the audio group? and lastly is your card supported? |
| 09:00.43 | joeoshawa | Linux version 3.0.0-1-amd64 (Debian 3.0.0-3) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.5.3 (Debian 4.5.3-8) ) #1 SMP Sat Aug 27 16:21:11 UTC 2011 |
| 09:00.46 | walle | mvv: as X |
| 09:01.09 | joeoshawa | yeah it was working earlier |
| 09:01.18 | joeoshawa | will check the audio group |
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| 09:01.21 | walle | C2H5OH: yes, it's on testing now, gtk+3 and qt5 have some work on it |
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| 09:02.24 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 09:03.14 | joeoshawa | just sorted all that out on irc.debian.org one sec |
| 09:03.25 | mvv | ah, what was broke? |
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| 09:03.43 | joeoshawa | gnome |
| 09:03.43 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: if you using testing or unstable, did the kernel changed lately too? |
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| 09:04.08 | joeoshawa | it did a few days ago but it was working after that |
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| 09:05.07 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: so "/msg dpkg alsa-checklist" |
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| 09:07.46 | walle | come back |
| 09:09.36 | joeoshawa | i don't think i have arts or esound |
| 09:09.40 | joeoshawa | only alsa |
| 09:10.20 | streuner_ | DOH, i forgot, is pulse installed, it was an update (GNOME)... |
| 09:10.48 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: dpkg -l | grep -i pulse , gives you a list... |
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| 09:11.03 | streuner_ | if so, make sure, you remove pulse stuff then |
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| 09:11.41 | joeoshawa | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 09:11.41 | joeoshawa | aplay: main:666: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 09:11.48 | streuner_ | sure |
| 09:12.02 | streuner_ | pulse |
| 09:12.35 | streuner_ | in Gnome 3 it just installed pulse-audio |
| 09:12.50 | joeoshawa | damnit |
| 09:12.54 | joeoshawa | should i purge it |
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| 09:12.58 | streuner_ | just remove these packages and ALSA should work again |
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| 09:19.20 | joeoshawa | great you gotta remove gnome to remove pluseaudio |
| 09:19.34 | streuner_ | no, who told you that? |
| 09:19.49 | joeoshawa | it won't let me remove the packages otherwise |
| 09:20.12 | joeoshawa | there now part of gnome 3 |
| 09:20.32 | streuner_ | well, i doubt that, but anyway, just disable the daemon of pulse then, that should be enough |
| 09:20.48 | mvv | maybe its just the gnome metapkg |
| 09:21.09 | streuner_ | !install gnome |
| 09:21.10 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 09:22.05 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: update-rc.d |
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| 09:22.57 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: or just rcconf (GUI) |
| 09:23.25 | joeoshawa | brb |
| 09:23.29 | streuner_ | good luck |
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| 09:24.21 | joeoshawa | works |
| 09:24.26 | joeoshawa | removed pulse |
| 09:24.35 | joeoshawa | gnome didn't work anyway |
| 09:25.03 | joeoshawa | video works 3d works brand new nvidia drivers |
| 09:25.11 | mvv | enlightenment is not gnome :) |
| 09:25.12 | joeoshawa | everything loading right |
| 09:25.32 | joeoshawa | lxde right now but i have been thinking enlightenment |
| 09:25.48 | joeoshawa | not a kde fan |
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| 09:25.58 | streuner_ | just listen to us |
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| 09:26.13 | streuner_ | we told you to disable the daemon, not to remove GNOME |
| 09:26.21 | mvv | e17 isnt perfectly stable but its more stable than a RHEL6 GNOME experience for me |
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| 09:26.35 | joeoshawa | i know but gnome didn't work anyway |
| 09:26.44 | joeoshawa | why keep it |
| 09:26.53 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: what didnt work? |
| 09:26.56 | joeoshawa | gnome |
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| 09:27.09 | joeoshawa | i filed a bug report |
| 09:27.26 | streuner_ | do you have a number or URL? |
| 09:27.41 | joeoshawa | the guy in #debian-next thought it was a driver issue but no |
| 09:27.50 | joeoshawa | no i emailed |
| 09:28.02 | streuner_ | emailed to BTS? |
| 09:28.05 | joeoshawa | yeah |
| 09:28.25 | joeoshawa | bugs@blah blah blah |
| 09:28.54 | joeoshawa | it was a huge pain in the arse |
| 09:29.07 | joeoshawa | dunno whats wrong |
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| 09:30.27 | joeoshawa | we upgraded my nvidia drivers with the sid drivers which sped up my video |
| 09:30.38 | joeoshawa | so the old drivers weren't working |
| 09:30.47 | joeoshawa | properly |
| 09:31.22 | joeoshawa | and they are working fine with gdm3 and all the gnome 3 stuff just not the menus and such |
| 09:32.59 | joeoshawa | i even checked the xorg.0.log |
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| 09:33.08 | joeoshawa | not one error |
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| 09:33.39 | joeoshawa | anyway thanks |
| 09:33.45 | walle | when I boot, one service failed, message '.... screen cleanup failed' |
| 09:34.00 | walle | where can i see the boot log ? |
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| 09:34.06 | walle | anyone can help me |
| 09:34.15 | zealiod | I have about 12 entries in /mnt that I know I no longer need - if there a safe way of unmount everything apart from the hard disks? Basically, I just want to get rid of references to previously mounted usb pens… etc |
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| 09:36.39 | walle | this file /etc/init.d/screen-cleanup failed |
| 09:36.52 | walle | anyone can tell me how to do? |
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| 09:37.38 | streuner_ | make it more verbose and read the error(s) |
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| 09:38.17 | streuner_ | walle: what kind of Debian do you use? sid? |
| 09:38.18 | zealiod | Linux is trying to mount something on boot what I haven't asked it to - where can I fix this? |
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| 09:41.55 | joeoshawa | how do i stop pulse without removing it |
| 09:42.12 | joeoshawa | if i remove gnome i lose my dual display |
| 09:42.34 | streuner_ | /etc/init.d/<whatever pulse daemon> stop |
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| 09:42.40 | joeoshawa | i tried just adding the gnome-session it still installs pulse |
| 09:42.46 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 09:43.05 | joeoshawa | if you use gnome3 pulse is here to stay |
| 09:43.22 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: for permanent disable the daemon just use rcconf (/msg dpkg rcconf) |
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| 09:46.54 | joeoshawa | streuner_, unfortunately that doesn't work update-rc.d: warning: pulseaudio start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) update-rc.d: warning: pulseaudio stop runlevel arguments (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1) |
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| 09:48.34 | joeoshawa | damnit pulse is like a bad disease |
| 09:48.39 | joeoshawa | it won't go away |
| 09:48.49 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: update-rc.d -f <daemon> remove |
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| 09:49.54 | joeoshawa | then what |
| 09:50.07 | streuner_ | nothing |
| 09:50.17 | streuner_ | the daemon is disable then |
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| 09:51.03 | joeoshawa | no output when i put in update-rc.d -f pulseaudio remove, it just gave me another command prompt but still no luck |
| 09:51.24 | joeoshawa | i can try logging out and in again |
| 09:51.30 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: ps axu | grep -i pulse |
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| 09:51.36 | streuner_ | no need to |
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| 09:53.22 | joeoshawa | joe 15161 0.2 0.1 313104 6984 ? S<l 04:44 0:01 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start root 15723 0.0 0.0 7772 840 pts/1 R+ 04:56 0:00 grep -i pulse |
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| 09:54.30 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: just kill the pid then |
| 09:54.47 | joeoshawa | how |
| 09:54.55 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: kill -9 15161 |
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| 09:56.02 | joeoshawa | nope |
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| 09:57.02 | joeoshawa | i am going to have to find a way to make pulse work |
| 09:57.13 | joeoshawa | its the only thing i can think of |
| 09:57.17 | windparadise | hello, pls I want to sleep, after 22 hours being awake, trying to fix this error nailing me down, pls assist. I went update/upgrading most applications and this is what I am having ... ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP serve |
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| 10:01.41 | joeoshawa | so what do i do |
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| 10:01.50 | joeoshawa | it won't shut off |
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| 10:03.03 | simonlnu | remove execute perms ;p |
| 10:03.14 | simonlnu | and kill it (no need for -9) |
| 10:04.39 | simonlnu | then purge the thing |
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| 10:06.11 | streuner_ | postrm of pulse should mention that |
| 10:06.28 | joeoshawa | i can't purge it it will remove gnome |
| 10:06.36 | joeoshawa | i tried |
| 10:06.42 | joeoshawa | then i lose my display |
| 10:06.50 | joeoshawa | its like a cancer |
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| 10:06.57 | lzskiss | yo |
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| 10:07.32 | streuner_ | joeoshawa: please tell us the whole command when you trying to remove pulse* in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 10:07.57 | streuner_ | doubt that removing pulse would remove GNOME |
| 10:08.03 | nevyn | hrm |
| 10:08.40 | nevyn | echo "autospawn=false" > ~/.pulse/client.conf && pactl exit |
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| 10:08.54 | nevyn | ^^^ how to stop pulseaudio ^^^ |
| 10:09.00 | streuner_ | ii gnome-session 3.0.2-3 GNOME Session Manager - GNOME 3 session |
| 10:09.05 | joeoshawa | i purged pulse with apt-get and it worked but still no sound |
| 10:09.13 | joeoshawa | do i need to restart the sound |
| 10:09.19 | windparadise | any answer pls? |
| 10:09.21 | nevyn | purging pulse is almost certainly not the answer. |
| 10:09.24 | streuner_ | rc pulseaudio 1.0-4 PulseAudio sound server |
| 10:09.49 | joeoshawa | i removed pulse before and it worked |
| 10:09.59 | joeoshawa | i had to log out and in again tho |
| 10:10.20 | nevyn | it's probably still running even after purging it. |
| 10:10.32 | nevyn | pactl exit will stop it. |
| 10:11.20 | joeoshawa | ty |
| 10:11.29 | joeoshawa | pulse is gone |
| 10:12.51 | joeoshawa | oh for f$%^ sake i can't use my other screen |
| 10:13.20 | joeoshawa | the cursor goes over there but i can't right click and nothing on the desktop |
| 10:13.32 | joeoshawa | just like gnome |
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| 10:13.52 | joeoshawa | DAMNIT TO HELL ....grrr |
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| 10:15.27 | joeoshawa | i have sound but i can't use my other screen |
| 10:15.39 | joeoshawa | i am going to reboot and see if it helps |
| 10:16.43 | emorris | Hey, on my laptop running Squeeze, I can log in fine, but after doing so, my keyboard no longer responds. Normally, I use a KVM switch with an external keyboard, and switch out and back, and it works, so I thought it may be that. But now I'm using the built in keyboard and it's doing the same thing. Any ideas? |
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| 10:19.46 | joeoshawa | ok i have dual display one is a tv one a computer monitor the tv has no bottom panel and right click does not work on that screen but the monitor is fine any ideas why that would be? there set up as separate x screens |
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| 10:36.03 | Woet | what is the recommended way to automate a debian installation? preseed? kickseed? kickstart? |
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| 10:37.07 | stockholm | Woet: that depends on your scale. |
| 10:37.27 | Woet | countless :) |
| 10:37.34 | stockholm | Woet: if you want to do it four, 40 or 4000 times |
| 10:37.41 | stockholm | countless... |
| 10:37.51 | nevyn | what's the 4000 answer? |
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| 10:38.33 | Woet | stockholm: 4000. |
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| 10:39.09 | stockholm | ok, go for our solution: use fai to install the bare metal hardware, get the machine information in an automated way, like over the lom. then have a configuration management system to configure it centrally. build a server database to keep track of failures |
| 10:39.41 | Woet | already have done all of that |
| 10:39.44 | stockholm | build a monitoring system to automate sending repair requests to remote hands |
| 10:39.55 | Woet | already have done that too |
| 10:40.17 | Woet | already automated vmware/freebsd/centos/windows etc |
| 10:40.24 | Woet | but i'm looking for a way for debian/ubuntu now |
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| 10:40.28 | stockholm | have a "remove old junk" process, so you dont forgoet of phased out machiens |
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| 10:40.40 | stockholm | Woet: we do it like that, it works on debian |
| 10:40.47 | Woet | stockholm: i appreciate it, but all those things are already done. the process is good |
| 10:41.02 | stockholm | Woet: cool. knock yourself out :-) |
| 10:41.06 | Woet | but I don't want to use FAI, i would prefer a more advanced way |
| 10:41.09 | Woet | so preseed/kickseed/kickstart |
| 10:41.16 | Woet | fai seems to be a all-in-one solution |
| 10:41.18 | stockholm | i know that the process it good, since we do it like that :-) |
| 10:41.26 | stockholm | no, use fai and puppet |
| 10:41.47 | stockholm | puppet is not good enough to adjust to different hardware at boot time |
| 10:41.53 | stockholm | fai can do that much better |
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| 10:42.08 | Woet | i'm against using prebuilt solutions such as cobbler/puppet/fai |
| 10:42.15 | stockholm | depends on your hardware park of course |
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| 10:42.20 | nevyn | huh? |
| 10:42.23 | Woet | so we've written it ourselves |
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| 10:42.36 | nevyn | oh wow NIH syndrome much? |
| 10:42.36 | stockholm | fai or puppet are not prebuilding. |
| 10:42.36 | Woet | debian supports preseed right? |
| 10:42.51 | stockholm | Woet: its not good enough, dont go there |
| 10:43.01 | Woet | nevyn: no :) just realizing that no existing solutions matches our needs. |
| 10:43.21 | Woet | nevyn: existing solutions that do match our need are implemented without hesitation. |
| 10:43.25 | stockholm | Woet: its hard to change. and you cant cange a system once its installed. preseeding is for install time |
| 10:43.31 | Woet | stockholm: hmm, okay. |
| 10:43.45 | stockholm | Woet: where do you work? |
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| 10:44.02 | Woet | stockholm: for centos we just use a kickstart to supply all details for installation and login afterwards with SSH to finish setup |
| 10:44.10 | Woet | stockholm: there is no such system for debian? |
| 10:44.35 | stockholm | Woet: yes, fai and puppet :-) |
| 10:44.40 | nevyn | so you have an automated system where you log into boxes and finish the setup? |
| 10:44.41 | walle | streuner_: I use wheezy |
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| 10:44.46 | stockholm | Woet: we use fai and puppet, and that works just fine. |
| 10:45.02 | stockholm | nevyn: we dont :-) |
| 10:45.08 | walle | streuner_: when I boot, '... screen cleanup failed.' |
| 10:45.12 | Woet | nevyn: an automated system that logs into the boxes and finishes it for us. |
| 10:45.22 | nevyn | oh ssh and a for loop awesome. |
| 10:45.23 | walle | streuner_: it not have before |
| 10:45.38 | Woet | nevyn: such as running yum update because centos install doesn't update itself unlike debian |
| 10:45.50 | Woet | stockholm: i'll look further into this, thanks. |
| 10:46.14 | stockholm | Woet: good luck. you picked the right os. |
| 10:46.31 | Woet | stockholm: i'm not picking an os, we're automating them all :p |
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| 10:46.39 | nevyn | I'm not convinced that you have the right strategy. but hey. |
| 10:46.43 | stockholm | ah, a hoster |
| 10:46.47 | Woet | stockholm: yes. |
| 10:46.51 | Woet | nevyn: which strategy? |
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| 10:47.11 | walle | streuner_: hi, could you help me? |
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| 10:47.58 | stockholm | nevyn: i think as a hoster you dont need to care much about the *management* and dynamic changes on the hosts, you install and hand over, i imagine |
| 10:48.04 | nevyn | ah. |
| 10:48.05 | Woet | stockholm: i'm going to be stubborn and try preseed first, but when it goes wrong i'll surely think about you :p |
| 10:48.20 | Woet | and yes, we (automatically) install and hand over. |
| 10:48.20 | stockholm | Woet: it might actually be the right tool for you |
| 10:48.36 | stockholm | and if you have only uniform hardware you can use the debian installer with pxe boot |
| 10:48.43 | nevyn | still thinks FAI would be a better solution. |
| 10:48.47 | nevyn | or disk images. |
| 10:49.08 | stockholm | and have the pre-seed information at a point in the network for each host to apply. |
| 10:49.08 | nevyn | Woet: is the hardware uniform? |
| 10:49.10 | Woet | nevyn: just some quick things I would require. 1) Updates during installation as of progress. 2) Unique IP/password/partitioning per install |
| 10:49.14 | Woet | FAI has that? |
| 10:49.18 | Woet | nevyn: no. |
| 10:49.34 | stockholm | Woet: we do it with fai, yes |
| 10:49.52 | stockholm | Woet: fai is flexible regarding from where the information is coming |
| 10:50.03 | stockholm | you can pull it out of dns, a db or ldap |
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| 10:50.39 | stockholm | fai is much more flexible regarding raid setup, different kernels for differnet hardware etc |
| 10:50.39 | Woet | it'll be the second thing I look at after preseed, i like to keep the system the same and not have something unique just for debian |
| 10:50.56 | stockholm | Woet: there are tons of hosters that use fai |
| 10:51.00 | stockholm | i met a few of them |
| 10:51.07 | walle | any one can help me? |
| 10:51.08 | stockholm | so there seems to be something to it |
| 10:51.27 | Woet | stockholm: and there are tons of hosters that take 24 hours or longer to setup a dedicated server :p |
| 10:51.29 | stockholm | we are not hosting, we are actually doing stuff on the boxes |
| 10:51.33 | Woet | stockholm: we are not one of them |
| 10:51.43 | stockholm | Woet: the ones i met took like 300 sec |
| 10:51.52 | Woet | stockholm: which ones did you meet? |
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| 10:52.05 | walle | when I boot, there is a message '...screen cleanup failed' |
| 10:52.11 | stockholm | Woet: your worst nightmare competitors :-) |
| 10:52.26 | Woet | stockholm: i don't think so. Leaseweb? OVH? Hetzner? |
| 10:52.27 | walle | How can I do? |
| 10:52.55 | Woet | stockholm: since you're from sweden i'm sticking to european ones |
| 10:52.55 | stockholm | Woet: i am not sure. i recall how the guys looked, but not what their companies |
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| 10:53.31 | stockholm | Woet: i have been across the big ponds and seen datacenters from the inside and dealt with hosters there, too :-) |
| 10:53.49 | stockholm | Woet: but these were from europe. |
| 10:54.02 | stockholm | but i honestly dont know |
| 10:54.14 | Woet | stockholm: okay, i don't know any host in europe that has setup less than 24 hours consistently |
| 10:54.18 | Woet | so just curious |
| 10:54.24 | walle | anyone can help me? |
| 10:55.00 | stockholm | walle: we dont do anything below 4000 machines. :-) |
| 10:55.17 | stockholm | walle: i dont the answer to your question, though |
| 10:55.58 | walle | stockholm: ???what can i do? |
| 10:56.13 | stockholm | !!!i dont now!1! |
| 10:57.03 | walle | stockholm: what is the mean of 'dont' ? is it 'don't'? |
| 10:57.57 | walle | stockholm: ...please help me |
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| 11:03.21 | balboah | someone using celery 2.4 in debian stable? |
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| 11:03.51 | walle | anyone can help me? |
| 11:04.18 | nsadmin | !smart questions |
| 11:04.19 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 11:04.22 | walle | when I boot, an error message '...screen cleanup filed' |
| 11:04.23 | nsadmin | !ask |
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| 11:04.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:04.34 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 11:04.34 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 11:05.03 | babilen | walle: Either than repeating your plea for help you might want to provide more information about the problem you are experiencing |
| 11:05.16 | babilen | s/Either/Rather :) |
| 11:05.48 | walle | babilen: yes, but where I can find boot log? |
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| 11:06.05 | walle | babilen: /var/log/boot no boot message |
| 11:06.07 | babilen | !tell walle -about bootlog |
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| 11:07.07 | nsadmin | there is -skill- involved in dealing with technical issues, and personally I don't necessarily expect anyone to immediately be an expert communicator... and, I DO expect people to make progress. I feel less motivated when I see people asking the same questions, over weeks or months |
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| 11:08.13 | walle | nsadmin: what is mean? |
| 11:08.23 | walle | babilen: I don't know |
| 11:09.14 | walle | babilen: when I boot, I find one red message on screen, it show '...(some bababa) screen cleanup failed' |
| 11:09.24 | babilen | walle: What don't you know? I have not asked a question. Please check your private messages as you should have received one from dpkg. It is also a good idea to provide more information about the problem you are experiencing. |
| 11:09.36 | walle | babilen: I find a script named 'screen-cleanup' in /etc/init.d |
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| 11:10.02 | nsadmin | what is your preferred and/or native language? |
| 11:10.18 | babilen | walle: And your system is not booting because of that? What is your native language? |
| 11:10.27 | walle | babilen: I'm not recv your message, I use weechat irc client |
| 11:11.16 | nsadmin | ok, but the message would have been from "dpkg" |
| 11:11.17 | walle | babilen: no, system boot right, but that message happen when booting. my language is english |
| 11:11.25 | babilen | heh |
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| 11:11.44 | nsadmin | so you want to talk english? |
| 11:11.50 | walle | nsadmin: my mathor language is chinese |
| 11:11.59 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:12.17 | nsadmin | maybe we can find a chinese speaker to help too |
| 11:12.40 | walle | nsadmin: yes, I can know what you mean, if you use simple english |
| 11:12.51 | babilen | walle: Ok, looks as if there is a problem with the screen-cleanup init script then which removes state screen sessions during the boot. What happens if you run it manually? (service screen-cleanup stop ; service screen-cleanup start) |
| 11:12.56 | walle | nsadmin: :-) |
| 11:13.11 | babilen | s/state/stale |
| 11:13.16 | nsadmin | I can't do -any- chinese... |
| 11:13.26 | balboah | How do I install python 2.7 the right way in stable without changing the default for all package upgrades to become testing or unstable? |
| 11:13.36 | nsadmin | and I have this strange feeling I'm going to have to learn |
| 11:13.40 | babilen | nsadmin: MeiGuanXi! |
| 11:14.00 | nsadmin | uhmnh, |
| 11:14.02 | nsadmin | wut? |
| 11:14.09 | walle | babilen: stat: 无法获取"/usr/bin/screen" 的文件状态(stat): 没有那个文件或目录 |
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| 11:14.32 | walle | nsadmin: this is result of 'service .. stop' |
| 11:14.50 | nsadmin | walle, put this in front of commands so we can see the english message: |
| 11:15.07 | nsadmin | LC_ALL="C" |
| 11:15.26 | babilen | balboah: I would recommend to compile directly from upstream sources to /usr/local and handle library installations with pip. I would use stow to manage that installation (/msg dpkg stow) and delete the resulting symlink /usr/local/bin/python |
| 11:15.44 | babilen | walle: Do you have screen installed? |
| 11:15.48 | walle | babilen: :-) MeiGuanXi in chinese is 'that's ok' |
| 11:15.50 | nsadmin | does anyone like linuxsampler? |
| 11:15.58 | balboah | babilen: thank you I think I'm kind of testing that now but with pythonbrew |
| 11:16.29 | babilen | balboah: I personally prefer virtualenv's but well .. go for it |
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| 11:17.15 | walle | babilen: yes, yestoday i install that package, but now remove it |
| 11:17.42 | walle | babilen: how can I put LC_ALL="C", give me complete command |
| 11:17.47 | walle | babilen: thanks |
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| 11:17.59 | babilen | walle: If you don't want/need it anymore you should purge it in this case. (apt-get purge screen) which will remove configuration files (such as the init script) as well. |
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| 11:18.16 | nsadmin | walle, it's for if you want to show us english error messages |
| 11:18.41 | nsadmin | example... |
| 11:18.52 | walle | nsadmin: I know, is this? LC_ALL="C" sudo service screen-cleanup start |
| 11:18.54 | babilen | walle: The complete command would have been "LANG=C service screen start", but it is not needed anymore. |
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| 11:19.31 | walle | babilen: when I input : LC_ALL="C" sudo service screen-cleanup start |
| 11:19.32 | nsadmin | sure, that would set the variable just for that one commnand |
| 11:19.39 | babilen | err, LC_ALL :) |
| 11:19.40 | walle | babilen: it also chinese message |
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| 11:20.11 | balboah | babilen: sure virutalenv sounds good, but that's not handling the actual python version installation but only the modules right? |
| 11:20.27 | babilen | balboah: Yes |
| 11:20.38 | walle | babilen: How can I fix the *screen* problem |
| 11:20.45 | babilen | walle: I already told you |
| 11:21.03 | nsadmin | well, you could purge screen |
| 11:21.08 | walle | babilen: yestoday I install it just for irssi, but irssi not work well, so I remove them today |
| 11:21.17 | babilen | walle: Yes *purge* it |
| 11:21.23 | walle | babilen: do 'apt-get purge screen' ? |
| 11:21.50 | babilen | That is the command I gave you :) |
| 11:22.23 | walle | quit |
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| 11:22.50 | babilen | ... you are welcome :( |
| 11:23.08 | simonlnu | newbie to irc |
| 11:23.20 | babilen | Apparently :) |
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| 11:24.48 | exaboy | configure: error: No useful curses library found! - can someone point me in the right direction |
| 11:24.57 | Mogget | It makes your heart swell with happyness doesn't it? |
| 11:25.06 | simonlnu | you need the -dev package |
| 11:25.09 | exaboy | Mogget: sort of :) |
| 11:25.18 | nsadmin | only if you have a swell heart... |
| 11:25.53 | exaboy | after this curses issue ive got 1 other question :) |
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| 11:26.36 | nsadmin | about being foiled again?! |
| 11:26.56 | exaboy | nsadmin: are you talking to me? |
| 11:27.19 | nsadmin | what's your question? |
| 11:27.28 | exaboy | configure: error: No useful curses library found! - can someone point me in the right direction |
| 11:27.34 | exaboy | i need to know what to install. |
| 11:27.50 | nsadmin | so you need the -dev half of ncurses |
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| 11:28.11 | exaboy | the other question is "Are there any performance tweaks for running Debian on VPS?" |
| 11:28.22 | exaboy | ok ill chec kthat out, thanks nsadmin |
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| 11:29.03 | felispeskus | is xen supposed to take over my ethernet? |
| 11:29.05 | nsadmin | try apt-cache search ncurses | grep "dev" |
| 11:29.34 | exaboy | libncurses5-dev - developer's libraries and docs for ncurses |
| 11:29.55 | nsadmin | try that and then retry the configure step |
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| 11:30.28 | felispeskus | when I unplug the cable to my external interface, it's reported in syslog as peth0: link down ... is it supposed to be like that? |
| 11:30.37 | exaboy | configure: error: readline library not found |
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| 11:30.52 | exaboy | mother&£$*er |
| 11:31.06 | acemi | libreadline5-dev |
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| 11:31.49 | nsadmin | exaboy, so the configure step successfully found ncurses |
| 11:32.03 | exaboy | ok this is a waste of time. there is alrready a freakin apachetop package... doh! |
| 11:32.09 | exaboy | sorry for that |
| 11:32.17 | exaboy | smacks his forhead |
| 11:32.50 | nsadmin | hmm :) |
| 11:33.08 | nsadmin | wait wait, STOP smacking my forehead! |
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| 11:34.30 | exaboy | so on the topic of VPS now, IO is an issue, we all know it. so are there things that can help with this? |
| 11:34.48 | exaboy | or should we trust OS |
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| 11:37.18 | Best3r | i have got a server, where /usr/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL is running like 10 times and takes a lot CPU (90%) |
| 11:37.22 | Best3r | how can i find out whats wrong? |
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| 11:42.55 | zealiod | I getting an error about pcspkr already registered and aborting … etc when I boot. I have my boot script error free except this, and I'd just like to suppress the warning - is that possible? |
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| 11:47.37 | sohum | does /etc/pam.d/sudo do something? |
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| 11:48.55 | idank | my computer just crashed (black screen, not responding), how can I diagnose what happened? |
| 11:49.18 | abchirk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:52.00 | idank | [drm:rv770_startup] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware! |
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| 11:52.33 | abchirk | if you can log in in command line... no. for X yes |
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| 11:53.17 | idank | well I am using X, but what could cause this? everything worked until now |
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| 11:54.11 | abchirk | maybe kernel update? |
| 11:54.14 | nsadmin | one way to find out... |
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| 11:54.49 | idank | how do I check when was the kernel last updated on my system? |
| 11:55.18 | Best3r | my webserver (2 sites) is very slow, here is stats of it; http://pastebin.com/v0bjiujz - how to determine what makes it so slow? |
| 11:55.33 | nsadmin | it was when you ran the command to install it |
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| 11:56.01 | abchirk | idank, have you updated your system today or yesterday? |
| 11:56.18 | idank | abchirk: yes, but I don't remember if there was a kernel update in there |
| 11:56.45 | idank | I think there wasn't since I didn't need to restart afterwards |
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| 11:57.21 | abchirk | it doesnÄt tell you to restart... you can look into /boot -> ls -l and check the date from the vmlinuz image |
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| 11:58.07 | idank | when it installs a kernel update it tells you you should restart to complete the update |
| 11:58.11 | idank | or something like that... |
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| 11:58.52 | idank | the date on vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 is 3rd of October |
| 11:59.38 | abchirk | mhhh I don't have radeon card. Maybe you could use the closed source driver from ati? |
| 12:00.02 | idank | I'll try if this continues |
| 12:00.10 | idank | just surprised it started all of a sudden |
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| 12:01.45 | peterrooney | idank: /var/log/dpkg.log can tell what happened with packages |
| 12:02.04 | peterrooney | idank: and when! |
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| 12:03.55 | walle | babilen: thanks very very much |
| 12:03.59 | idank | peterrooney: interesting, it only contains the last session but this is what I could find: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/506218/ |
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| 12:04.06 | walle | babilen: you are a good guy :) |
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| 12:04.11 | idank | nothing seems related to my video card |
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| 12:04.34 | walle | babilen: it's works :-) |
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| 12:05.51 | peterrooney | idank: there's also /var/log/dpkg.log.1 ; /var/log/dpkg.log.2.gz &c |
| 12:05.59 | walle | babilen: thanks :-) |
| 12:06.04 | babilen | walle: You are welcome :) |
| 12:06.08 | idank | peterrooney: ah :) well good to know |
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| 12:06.13 | peterrooney | idank: might be interesting to zgrep linux as well |
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| 12:06.19 | walle | babilen: ok :-) |
| 12:08.02 | idank | peterrooney: last hit on linux from 10/15 |
| 12:08.12 | idank | so last update seems unrelated to kernel |
| 12:09.30 | abchirk | what says your Xorg.0.log? |
| 12:11.03 | idank | abchirk: uhm no timestamps in there... what should I search for? |
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| 12:11.36 | abchirk | for (EE) cat Xorg.0.log | grep EE |
| 12:12.00 | petemc | uuoc |
| 12:13.18 | idank | abchirk: nothing :( |
| 12:13.32 | walle | is there any easy way to report debian bug? such as online bug report? I don't want to install repotbug |
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| 12:13.53 | abchirk | mhhh |
| 12:14.11 | walle | I want to report some bad thing may be a bug in debian |
| 12:15.15 | babilen | walle: Why don't you want to use reportbug? It makes sure that the associated scripts that gather information about your system are run. That being said: The bug system is email based and you can just send a suitably formatted email to submit@bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:17.03 | walle | babilen: how can I send email easy and convenient one-line-command. |
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| 12:18.20 | walle | babilen: because I find bug so few, so I don't want to install a special software for that...sorry, may be a web base bug trace system may be suit for me :) |
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| 12:20.14 | babilen | walle: Please use reportbug. It is just 111.5k and it will help the maintainer tremendously if you include all relevant information. |
| 12:20.19 | arghx | walle: reportbug is 218kB |
| 12:20.20 | Woet | walle: install it, use it, remove it |
| 12:20.44 | babilen | s/111.5/260/ |
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| 12:21.09 | TM0rPh | Hi everyone, my LAN upload speed has become very slow (40-80KB), both over ftp and smb. Can anyone help me? |
| 12:21.16 | arghx | babilen: is the squeeze one bigger? |
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| 12:21.36 | babilen | arghx: Looks like it |
| 12:21.43 | walle | babilen: ok, I use it :) |
| 12:21.44 | metaspike | that depends TM0rPh, have you changed anything recently? |
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| 12:22.11 | metaspike | i also have a question. does anyone know anything about hacking/updating dvdrom firmware in debian. |
| 12:22.15 | TM0rPh | metaspike: i've adde more RAM and updated as normal |
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| 12:22.34 | TM0rPh | added* |
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| 12:22.46 | walle | babilen: why my gnome3 volume of sound auto reset when I restart gnome-desktop? |
| 12:23.14 | babilen | walle: So you start with a standardised volume? |
| 12:23.39 | walle | babilen: ah...gnome3 default |
| 12:23.52 | walle | babilen: I use wheezy |
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| 12:24.39 | walle | babilen: I just set turn down it... but when I restart desktop, it reset to default |
| 12:24.54 | metaspike | legally speaking its ok for me to this where i live but often ive found alot of hired dvds have the wrong region, which is annoying, and causings libdvdcss to fail |
| 12:25.03 | walle | babilen: I need to turn down it every time when I start desktop |
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| 12:25.15 | babilen | walle: I don't use Gnome3 and I don't know, but I would guess that the mixer levels are adjusted to provide a predictable/identical user experience. |
| 12:26.07 | metaspike | TM0rPh: squeeze? testing? |
| 12:26.19 | TM0rPh | metaspike: squeeze |
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| 12:26.31 | walle | babilen: I don't know. but on squeeze no this problem. |
| 12:27.10 | metaspike | TM0rPh: wireless? |
| 12:27.24 | TM0rPh | metaspike: wired |
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| 12:31.12 | jargon- | where do i get a wheezy netinst from? i can only seem to find squeeze |
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| 12:32.04 | metaspike | that's weird, you could ' mtr www.somesite.com ' to determine where the slowest hop is. but this happened straight after your upgrade? no other issues? ram is OK? |
| 12:32.14 | acemi | jargon-: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:33.10 | jargon- | acemi: sorry i meant netboot. |
| 12:33.23 | jargon- | acemi: http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/netboot/ |
| 12:33.32 | jargon- | is that the one for squeeze? how can one tell? |
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| 12:35.13 | TM0rPh | metaspike: i know it's weird that's the reason i'm here :P traceroute looks good, ping to looks good |
| 12:35.15 | raven | openvpn need some help to configure gateway and push routes to access lan and internet please |
| 12:35.50 | shicy | raven: did you try solution from wiki |
| 12:35.59 | raven | which site? |
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| 12:36.41 | shicy | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openvpn |
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| 12:38.40 | TM0rPh | metaspike: haven't tested the ram, but wouldn't it be very odd for bad ram to only affect network upload |
| 12:39.28 | shicy | raven: does it help? |
| 12:39.39 | raven | not yet |
| 12:39.40 | Mogget | metaspike: TM0rPh is sitting on the same network as i am and i have a download of over 3MBp/s |
| 12:39.47 | raven | i cannot localise the problem |
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| 12:40.34 | TM0rPh | metaspike: also WAN seems fine, only LAN is a problem |
| 12:41.46 | Mogget | TM0rPh: Have you checked that your autoconfigure values for your network hasn't been set to some ridicolous low value? |
| 12:42.15 | shicy | raven: i'm not expert. so i thint it's best for you to wait for good answer ;) |
| 12:42.48 | TM0rPh | Mogget: why would they, it's an old install, would they change just for a reboot? |
| 12:44.16 | Mogget | TM0rPh: Our provider might have been configuring the router and changed some values by mistake. You never know. |
| 12:45.03 | metaspike | that is the most inexplicible thing i've ever heard of. indeed, you could just try and restart (turn off, turn on) just in case. |
| 12:45.16 | metaspike | restart the router that is. |
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| 12:45.38 | Mogget | metaspike: the router belongs to the university, we don't have direct access to it. |
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| 12:46.12 | Mogget | I'll let you guys figure this out. I'm just butting in and making a mess of things. |
| 12:46.17 | TM0rPh | metaspike: and I have unplgged my switch, just to check |
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| 12:47.03 | metaspike | your not supposed to anyway. im at a loss here but i'll carry on anyway. did you upgrade the kernel? how did you initially configure your network? manually? some gui tool what? |
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| 12:48.24 | metaspike | it's possible that the university requires some specific dns registration or treats different subnets differently, so a good thing to do would be to compare your ip settings with Mogget's |
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| 12:49.57 | metaspike | otherwise, /etc/init.d?dhcpd restart and see if that does it. |
| 12:50.04 | NoReflex | hello! Anyone know a GSM / GPRS support channel? I tried irc search but the queries I tried (gsm or gprs) only returned unrelated or dead channels. |
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| 12:50.22 | Mogget | TM0rPh: I'll come by you tonight after school and check if you're still having problems and we can take a look at it if you are. :) |
| 12:50.43 | TM0rPh | Mogget: nice, i should be home :) |
| 12:51.28 | TM0rPh | metaspike: thanks for the help, but i need to leave now. so bye |
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| 12:52.46 | walle | I want to translate some debian english material to chinese, but which material have highest priority? |
| 12:53.45 | dleonardi | hey.. i'm setting up a server with KVM for virtualization.. there are a few services that are common to all virtual machines.. email [qmail] is one... i'm considering putting this service on the HOST os. is this a bad idea? |
| 12:54.15 | walle | I only want to do some contribute to debian project |
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| 12:54.55 | batouzo | what kernel should be used inside qemu or qemu-kvm? should I switch to virtio ? will this not lessen security? is the speed improvment big? |
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| 12:57.09 | metaspike | raven: a little bird told me that the default port is 1194, you might have to use routed ? not sure about that one also worth mentioning that opening ports for internet access is just like you would for torrents. |
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| 12:58.06 | metaspike | raven: browser to the router, port forward to your openvpn server. etc. |
| 12:58.15 | raven | metaspike, nice idea - perhaps instead of stupid comments you could imagine to ask about the things i already did |
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| 12:59.03 | phaer | #freedombox |
| 12:59.32 | metaspike | raven: hey, don't shoot the messenger. |
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| 13:08.07 | allorder | walle: http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/zh_CN i think |
| 13:10.07 | Maxztt | I'm having a problem with sshd. I can't connect to the machine running it with standard config. If I try to use pub-key-authentication the client is waiting forever for a reply from the server after sending the public key, and if i disable it and try to log in via password, it logs in and then logs out again with this error message: "Auth User/Pass with PS...fail...Please reconnect!.". I already tried disabling privilige separation, but it did not change a |
| 13:10.07 | Maxztt | nything. |
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| 13:11.01 | Maxztt | Anyone got a tip or idea about what's wrong? |
| 13:11.31 | Maxztt | I never had this kind of trouble before, when setting up a ssh server. |
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| 13:12.08 | batouzo | hi m |
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| 13:15.36 | WormFood | Maxztt, when your connect with your ssh client, do you use verbose mode, to see more of what is going on/ |
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| 13:16.39 | Maxztt | WormFood, yes, everything is going well before the "Auth User/Pass with PS...fail...Please reconnect!." message, and afterwards it's just dropping the connection gratefully |
| 13:17.16 | WormFood | did you change the sshd config? |
| 13:17.26 | batouzo | guys? is there big performance improvement for running with virtio? does that lessen security? |
| 13:17.40 | Maxztt | WormFood, at first, then i tried with the original one, then changed things again. |
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| 13:18.13 | WormFood | did you check your sshd server logs? |
| 13:18.34 | Maxztt | WormFood, i also had to move my keys temporarily so that it would not try to use pubkey authentication, because after sending the public key, the client would wait for a reply for ages. |
| 13:18.46 | Maxztt | WormFood, I was just about to check them as you wrote. |
| 13:18.47 | batouzo | Maxztt: tried setting debug level DEBUG3 and then auth.log ? |
| 13:18.55 | batouzo | Maxztt: also ssh -vvvv on client side |
| 13:19.02 | Maxztt | batchy, did that on the client side |
| 13:19.19 | Maxztt | batouzo, that was obviously directed at you |
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| 13:21.21 | WormFood | has anyone running wheezy (testing), upgraded to gnome 3 yet? |
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| 13:22.54 | WormFood | I should ask, has anyone "upgraded" to gnome yet? because for me, it was a serious downgrade. |
| 13:23.05 | WormFood | 3* |
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| 13:24.32 | babilen | WormFood: Most wheezy users should have done that by not or they are lazy and don't upgrade their system regularly. |
| 13:24.53 | arghx | looks at babilen guiltily |
| 13:25.02 | metaspike | fluxbox is good enough for me ^_^ |
| 13:25.13 | babilen | s/not/now ... grrr |
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| 13:25.48 | WormFood | I've been very happy with gnome 2...works well, is fast, has the features I want....then I get gnome 3...and it is *nothing* that I want. |
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| 13:26.45 | babilen | WormFood: Can you imagine how often we hear this? What do you expect us to do? Use it or don't use it. You can try the fallback session, but it is most likely not what you want. I would also recommend to give it a try (3.2 really isn't bad) ... |
| 13:26.48 | StephenS | hello |
| 13:26.53 | StephenS | finger w and who gives all the same? |
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| 13:30.23 | WormFood | babilen, it would be nice if we had a choice between gnome 2 and gnome 3....but to simply remove gnome 2, and not give us anything to replace it with, just sucks. |
| 13:30.53 | Maxztt | batouzo, I shut down the running instance of sshd and started it with -ddd, then tried to connect with the client again, which obviously behaves just like before, and in the terminal running the sshd in debug mode there is no additional output at all, after it bound itself to port 22 and started listening. |
| 13:31.13 | babilen | WormFood: Gnome2 has been deprecated by upstream (and you knew this) and the new version is Gnome3. There is nothing to discuss it. If you want to fork Gnome2 development you are free to do so. |
| 13:31.29 | arghx | babilen: someone already did |
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| 13:31.38 | babilen | Then join those "someones" |
| 13:31.59 | WormFood | There is no real fork of gnome 2 |
| 13:32.01 | babilen | it'll be as dead as trinity |
| 13:32.18 | WormFood | it was dead before it started |
| 13:32.29 | macchiavelli | hello, during my installation i had no network available, and the apt configuration failed. Now i've finished the install, and fixed the network problem. How do i get to a working apt-get ? is there some kind of "wizard" i can launch? [on debian squeeze, from a netinstall CD] |
| 13:32.48 | arghx | !tell macchiavelli about squeeze sources.list |
| 13:33.10 | StephenS | how can export HISTFILESIZE=2000 be affected to all existing and new users on system ? |
| 13:33.14 | metaspike | Maxztt: so the server doesn |
| 13:33.19 | macchiavelli | yeah.. ok. but isnt there a tool to autoselect mirrors? |
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| 13:33.29 | acemi | macchiavelli: after |
| 13:33.48 | macchiavelli | ok.. i'll do the basic setup then |
| 13:33.49 | arghx | macchiavelli: there is. cdn.debian.org autoselects just fine |
| 13:33.54 | metaspike | Maxztt: doesn't notice it at all? almost like there's a firewall or something :( |
| 13:34.06 | WormFood | StephenS, set it in /etc/bash.bashrc ? or something like that? |
| 13:34.13 | macchiavelli | ah the CDN redirects me properly? |
| 13:34.13 | arghx | macchiavelli: normally ftp.<country code>.debian.org is all you want |
| 13:34.14 | macchiavelli | awesome. |
| 13:34.17 | macchiavelli | k |
| 13:34.21 | macchiavelli | thx |
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| 13:34.30 | arghx | StephenS: /etc/environment |
| 13:34.31 | Maxztt | metaspike, yes, but there definitely is not. Its strange. Since the client kind of connects, but then drops the connection. |
| 13:34.35 | WormFood | macchiavelli, for a tool to select the "best" mirror, then try apt-spy |
| 13:34.51 | Maxztt | metaspike, it communicates with the server though and even starts setting environment variables before dropping the connection. |
| 13:35.45 | StephenS | envi is empty |
| 13:35.49 | Maxztt | macchiavelli, either just configure your network (if you have the drivers installed already) or find the driver for your device, install it and then configure your network. |
| 13:35.50 | StephenS | and bashrc is full of some text |
| 13:36.20 | arghx | StephenS: and? |
| 13:36.34 | Maxztt | macchiavelli, try lspci | grep Network if it is a pci device. |
| 13:36.42 | StephenS | what to do ? |
| 13:37.00 | macchiavelli | Maxztt: thanks, i've mentioned i've fixed my network already |
| 13:37.01 | macchiavelli | :) |
| 13:37.44 | arghx | StephenS: you put your env variable into /etc/environment |
| 13:37.58 | Maxztt | macchiavelli, ah, yes, now I saw that too. I just saw your question when scrolling up and kind of missed the answer. |
| 13:38.28 | StephenS | export HISTFILESIZE=20000 |
| 13:38.30 | StephenS | is that ok? |
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| 13:39.32 | arghx | you need to reboot for it to take effect afaik |
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| 13:39.48 | StephenS | :( |
| 13:39.49 | WormFood | does anyone else find the keyboard input on gnome 3 incredibly slow? I am running 2 apps (irc client, and terminal), on a 3 Ghz quad core cpu, with 8 gigs of ram...and it is taking about 3 seconds to respond to my key presses....needless to say, it is rather frustrating. |
| 13:40.03 | StephenS | its 70 days up server |
| 13:40.05 | StephenS | I wont reboot |
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| 13:40.24 | WormFood | only 70 days, and you don't want to reboot...how cute. |
| 13:40.29 | tvm | heh. |
| 13:40.55 | WormFood | when you get 700 days of uptime, then I could understand the not wanting to reboot (yes, I've done it before) |
| 13:41.09 | babilen | StephenS: Why don't you want to reboot and why is that related to the uptime of you server? Is a (short) downtime not acceptable? |
| 13:41.31 | StephenS | its not acceptable |
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| 13:41.51 | babilen | WormFood: Huh? 700 days of uptime are just an indication that you are running an insecure system as you've most likely missed a couple of kernel updates. (yes, ksplice, yadda yadda) |
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| 13:42.35 | arghx | babilen: ksplice is for cheaters! (and only for oracle users.... which is worse than being a cheater) |
| 13:42.37 | WormFood | I had just over 700 days of uptime, and my asshole roommate knocked the power plug out of the wall, and allowed my UPS to run dead |
| 13:42.51 | babilen | So what? |
| 13:43.22 | WormFood | babilen, it was for an internal network only. And it was a rather old, 2.2 kernel, I think...so I doubt your new exploits would work on it :P |
| 13:43.34 | babilen | q.e.d |
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| 13:44.13 | arghx | instead really old and readily available exploits worked on it |
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| 13:46.12 | colo-work | tried and true, proven technology |
| 13:46.19 | WormFood | there are relatively few kernel expoits, in comparison to other exploits. It does not matter, the machine only had 130 meg (no typo, that is meg, not gig), and was only a sound server for playing music over my network. |
| 13:47.02 | abrotman | few? |
| 13:47.05 | colo-work | yeah, "it does not matter". you keep saying that until someone cracks your box wide open and makes it play Justin Bieber. over your network. into your ears. |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | takes the crack pipe from WormFood |
| 13:47.14 | metaspike | Maxztt: some "ideas" on the listening server, lso -i :22 . also check the permissions of the pubkey files themselves. u said it was working before so what's changed? check the ips and the router... |
| 13:47.44 | metaspike | sorry. lsof -i :22 |
| 13:48.38 | aguitel | i installed testing (gnome 3) ,there is anyway to install gnome 2 ? |
| 13:48.54 | WormFood | your server is much more likely yo be broken into by the daemons you run, rather than a remote kernel exploit. |
| 13:49.07 | Maxztt | metaspike, it was not working with this particular machine (the server one, which is just set up), it still works with other which are set up the same, on the local network |
| 13:49.11 | WormFood | aguitel, install stable. |
| 13:49.36 | WormFood | aguitel, I have the same "problem"...gnome 3 is fuckin' horrible. |
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| 13:49.51 | aguitel | WormFood, how install stable over testing ? |
| 13:50.08 | aguitel | i install minimal gnome 3 |
| 13:50.19 | aguitel | is horrible |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | aguitel: you cannot .. you reinstall |
| 13:50.40 | walle | aguitel: why you need g2? |
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| 13:50.54 | aguitel | gnome 3 is horrible |
| 13:50.59 | walle | aguitel: is g3 not better than g2? |
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| 13:51.05 | abrotman | aguitel: or you can get used to gnome3 .. you'll be getting it sooner or later |
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| 13:51.10 | abrotman | or find another WM completely |
| 13:51.15 | walle | aguitel: please point out? |
| 13:51.18 | WormFood | it is not recommended to go from testing to stable...there are unofficial guides on how to do it online, but if it breaks, you're on your own. |
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| 13:51.39 | WormFood | walle, search for "gnome 3 sucks", and you'll see what people think about it. |
| 13:51.42 | aguitel | WormFood, what guide? |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | WormFood: knock it off |
| 13:51.59 | walle | abrotman: awesome is a good wm |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | if you don't like it .. don't use it .. no need to bash it |
| 13:52.06 | abrotman | walle: i don't need another WM |
| 13:52.26 | WormFood | There are a LOT of complaints about G3....it has taken away a LOT of choice, and they are telling you how to use your computer. |
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| 13:52.43 | abrotman | WormFood: THEN DON'T USE IT .. jesus .. quit whining |
| 13:53.24 | WormFood | aguitel, like abrotman said, it can't be done....if you want to try, then google is your friend. |
| 13:53.29 | walle | WormFood: I don't want to know that. I only know if you not like it, please don't use it, or you can contribute to it, and make it better to use. please never complain others work. |
| 13:53.40 | aguitel | WormFood, ok |
| 13:53.42 | abrotman | WormFood: please just stop talking |
| 13:53.45 | WormFood | abrotman, I'm not whining, I was answering walle's question about it |
| 13:53.46 | aguitel | thanks |
| 13:53.46 | walle | abrotman: please try g3 with you heart |
| 13:53.54 | abrotman | walle: okay |
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| 13:54.07 | abrotman | aguitel: i suggest you try to use gnome3 for a week .. you may find you like it |
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| 13:54.29 | WormFood | abrotman, are you using Gnoome 3? |
| 13:54.31 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
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| 13:54.48 | abrotman | WormFood: i have .. i like it .. my main laptop is still squeeze, soon to be wheezy just so i can get to gnome3 |
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| 13:55.26 | abrotman | !tell aguitel about mate |
| 13:55.27 | WormFood | how is the keyboard respons for you? I get about a 3 second delay on *everything* I type...and I'm not running anything |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | aguitel: that's another option |
| 13:55.44 | aguitel | abrotman, a ok |
| 13:55.48 | Maxztt | ok, i don't get this. there is no firewall on the machine, the ssh server is listening to port 22. the client is trying to connect on 22 and when doing so entering the password and so on works. But the logs of the daemon show absolutely nothing when connecting. When connection through the loopback interface, they show everything regularly. |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | WormFood: not using it right now .. work dictates windows or osx .. figure that out |
| 13:56.12 | abrotman | WormFood: as soon as i have a free night .. main system at home is going to wheezy/gnome3 |
| 13:56.20 | Maxztt | There seems to be a problem with the connection, but I can't nail it down, especially not since it does verify host keys and the password and so on, when trying to connect from another machine. |
| 13:56.27 | walle | aguitel: before use g3, I also have you thought that g3 is bad to use because I hear many people say this. But after I try it, I love it at first sight. |
| 13:56.39 | abrotman | WormFood: and the netbook will go to wheezty also .. but lxde there |
| 13:56.48 | aguitel | walle, ok |
| 13:57.09 | WormFood | it looks nice....but I find it hard to use. It has some potential |
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| 13:57.29 | abrotman | aguitel: i really suggest trying to use it for a week or so .. |
| 13:57.39 | walle | aguitel: as you know g3 is a new generation DE, it need to be more complete |
| 13:57.43 | aguitel | ok abrot |
| 13:57.44 | abrotman | aguitel: wheezy will release with gnome3 .. so it's coming to you sooner or later |
| 13:57.59 | WormFood | but I strongly object to them making choices about how I can and can't use my computer, by saying shit like "most users...." |
| 13:58.03 | walle | abrotman: I use wheezy :) |
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| 13:58.36 | abrotman | WormFood: and that may change over time .. and you can always change the source :) |
| 13:58.40 | WormFood | I'm sure G3 will improve...but right now, it is not usable from my point of view. |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | but gnome2 as far as gnome.org is concerned is dead |
| 13:58.54 | walle | abrotman: install it give me big hurt, but after hurt, I learn a lot about debian and g3 is fancy. |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | the MATE project may help there .. but only time will tell |
| 13:59.23 | WormFood | 4 mouse clicks to get to the same thing I do in 2 on gnome 2....and the huge icons?!? what is up with that? if I had a touch screen, I think G3 would be nice...but for a normal desktop, I don't like it. |
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| 13:59.35 | WormFood | I don't think anything will come from the MATE project |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | only time will tell .. |
| 13:59.57 | walle | WormFood: :) |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | and IIRC, gnome3 has a hot key to start a launcher |
| 14:00.19 | WormFood | I do like the looks of G3...they did a nice job there |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | starts many apps that way |
| 14:01.00 | walle | WormFood: g3 font is rendering very well |
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| 14:01.10 | WormFood | but...when it takes 3 seconds to show what I type on the screen...I find that totally unacceptable. (on an unloaded system...I understand a delay on a heavily loaded system.) |
| 14:01.29 | walle | WormFood: better more than g2 |
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| 14:01.49 | WormFood | huh? |
| 14:01.55 | abrotman | WormFood: sounds like a driver issue .. did you try another WM? |
| 14:02.06 | WormFood | yeah, they work fine. |
| 14:02.45 | walle | WormFood: do you use ibus as input method? |
| 14:02.46 | WormFood | and I have problems typing Chinese in many windows on Gnome 3, and no problems on Gnome 2. |
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| 14:03.00 | abrotman | aguitel: also, if you find you really can't use gnome3 ... try XFCE .. many like it |
| 14:03.02 | WormFood | yes, I try to use ibus |
| 14:03.12 | WormFood | and scim was even slower, and dropping keystrokes. |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | didn't i see that ibus in wheezy isn't up to date with gtk3 ? |
| 14:03.29 | aguitel | ok abrotman |
| 14:03.33 | walle | WormFood: default ibus package with ibus-gtk2 gui, this is a bug I think, install ibus-gtk3 will work fine |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | oh, i see ibus-gtk3 now |
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| 14:03.51 | WormFood | I didn't see that...will look. |
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| 14:04.04 | walle | WormFood: I meet the same problem as you yestoday |
| 14:04.08 | WormFood | I installed ibus before gnome 3 |
| 14:04.28 | walle | WormFood: but after i install ibus-gtk3, all things become right |
| 14:05.16 | WormFood | actually, I allowed it to update to gnome 3 by mistake....I didn't want gnome 3...but it is my fault for not paying more attention....but I was updating to try to fix my scim/ibus problems. |
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| 14:05.40 | walle | abrotman: ibus package in wheezy default install ibus-gtk2 gui package, this is wrong, it should work with ibus-gtk3 gui package |
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| 14:06.32 | walle | WormFood: maybe you should update ibus |
| 14:06.56 | walle | WormFood: :-) |
| 14:07.04 | WormFood | and gnome 3 has no "task bar"? no way to see all my running programs at a glance? I had to move the mouse or type something to see? WTF is up with that? |
| 14:07.09 | WormFood | walle, installing now |
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| 14:07.27 | WormFood | I'm sure I need to restart X to make it work, right? |
| 14:07.50 | walle | WormFood: some program work fine on g2 before, but g3 change a lot of default setting, so they can not work fine, but I think g3 is a great step for gnome project. |
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| 14:08.24 | walle | WormFood: logout then login, make ibus work |
| 14:08.28 | WormFood | g3 has a lot of potential...but I can see a lot of people making add-ons to G3 to restore the missing functionality. |
| 14:08.57 | WormFood | I mean...I don't see people actually making those add-ons now...but I expect them to come soon. |
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| 14:09.15 | walle | WormFood: gnome-tweak-tool you can try |
| 14:09.30 | walle | WormFood: it's a high-level setting manager for g3 |
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| 14:10.16 | walle | WormFood: you can right plugin with javascript and css by youself :-) if you like |
| 14:10.45 | WormFood | yeah...but this stuff shouldn't have been removed in the first place....they shouldn't force us to use the computer the way they see fit...they should allow me to configure it the way *I* want to |
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| 14:11.11 | WormFood | G3 has a lot LESS functionality than G2 |
| 14:11.27 | walle | WormFood: :-) agree with you |
| 14:11.41 | WormFood | ok, I'm gonna logout and see if this helps with my keyboard...back in a bit |
| 14:11.42 | arghx | they shouldn't force us to use the computer the way they see fit <- you must be new to gnome |
| 14:11.54 | WormFood | thanks walle , I didn't think to look for an updated ibus package. |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | gnome hig .. |
| 14:12.20 | walle | WormFood: g3 now is not complete, please give it more love |
| 14:12.55 | walle | WormFood: wellcome |
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| 14:13.38 | walle | abrotman: what is word 'hig' mean? my english is poor |
| 14:13.50 | arghx | human interface guidelines |
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| 14:14.05 | walle | arghx: :-) |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | walle: google "GNOME HIG" |
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| 14:14.57 | walle | abrotman arghx : thanks |
| 14:15.13 | abrotman | not sure how it applies to gnome3 .. but worth a glance |
| 14:15.34 | walle | now I find weechat is a great irc tool in gnome-terminal, it's work very well |
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| 14:37.30 | WormFood | walle, installing ibus-gtk3 does not help. Still slow (well maybe it helps a little bit, but not enough) |
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| 14:38.05 | walle | WormFood: ? any more information? |
| 14:38.07 | babilen | WormFood: Are you, by chance, using nvidia's drivers? |
| 14:38.14 | WormFood | swiching tabs on gnome-terminal takes 2-3 seconds...on my laptop it takes 0 seconds to switch. |
| 14:38.30 | WormFood | yes babilen, I am...would that have an effect on this? |
| 14:39.05 | babilen | WormFood: Yes, could you run "nvidia-settings -q AccelerateTrapezoids" please. Do you get any output? |
| 14:39.07 | walle | WormFood: .... I use Xorg open source driver |
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| 14:39.28 | WormFood | babilen, hold on, let me see. |
| 14:39.42 | walle | babilen: I think this may be not problem with driver. I'm not sure |
| 14:39.58 | babilen | walle: I am quite certain that it is, but lets see. |
| 14:40.17 | walle | babilen: :-) |
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| 14:40.27 | walle | WormFood: wish you luck :) |
| 14:40.35 | WormFood | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module" <-- is what I get. What am I missing? |
| 14:40.54 | babilen | WormFood: Unrelated to the issue we are working on -- Any more output? |
| 14:41.05 | WormFood | that is all I get |
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| 14:41.27 | Maxztt | I have no clue why my sshd is not working properly. On the client side I get this when trying to connect: http://pastebin.com/XcWYR7xh and on the server side, i get nothing at all in the logs. There is no firewall. SSHing to other servers on the local network works. |
| 14:41.28 | WormFood | well, than and 2 blank lines after it. |
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| 14:41.47 | babilen | WormFood: Ok, you need to pull nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx (+dependencies) from sid. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642757 for details. |
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| 14:42.29 | babilen | WormFood: I would also like to point out that we have a channel on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid support (#debian-next) |
| 14:43.17 | WormFood | thanks babilen , I wasn't aware of that (but was aware thato ftc is the official network for debian irc) |
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| 14:43.52 | walle | babilen: when I meet his problem after install minimal debian netinst system, I solve it my install ibus-gtk3 |
| 14:44.24 | babilen | walle: same here, but I am trying to fix the performance problems now |
| 14:45.08 | walle | WormFood: unlucky ... :-( |
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| 14:45.17 | WormFood | what is weird, is switching between terminal and x-chat is very quick....but doing anything in x-chat is slow...and my cpu shows 0.5 load (I'm running a quad core cpu) |
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| 14:45.44 | walle | babilen: is this up to bug system ? debian developer know this? |
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| 14:46.30 | walle | WormFood: may be x-chat also have some peoblem with g3 |
| 14:46.40 | babilen | walle: I don't quite understand your question |
| 14:47.08 | WormFood | I strongly suspect this is a gnome 3 problems. |
| 14:47.10 | babilen | WormFood: So do you get a different behaviour with the drivers from sid? |
| 14:47.30 | WormFood | I'm reading over that page now. (I was slow to topen it) |
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| 14:47.54 | walle | WormFood: I have see this on internet, I use weechat as irc client in gnome-terminal, it's work fine. also search 'google freenode webchat' is also a good tool for freenode irc access. |
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| 14:48.48 | babilen | WormFood: You don't have to read the complete bug report. You want the drivers from sid, install them please and report your results. |
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| 14:48.59 | walle | babilen: I mean : weather debian development team know WormFood's problem and will fix it. |
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| 14:49.11 | babilen | walle: Which problem are you referring to? |
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| 14:49.32 | walle | babilen: ibus can not work well in g3 |
| 14:49.52 | babilen | walle: I don't know, take a look at the bugs that have been filed against ibus |
| 14:49.54 | walle | babilen: for my problem and WormFood's problem |
| 14:50.06 | walle | babilen: ok :-) |
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| 14:51.41 | Rosa | hi |
| 14:52.07 | walle | WormFood: do as babilen say may be a good choose :-) . he is a good guy. he help me a lots. |
| 14:52.13 | walle | Rosa: question |
| 14:52.19 | Rosa | im tring to install debian over an old debian installation |
| 14:52.33 | walle | Rosa: which command you use? |
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| 14:52.46 | Rosa | graphic install |
| 14:52.50 | Rosa | sorry about my english |
| 14:53.05 | Rosa | on install it doesnt find partitions |
| 14:53.10 | walle | Rosa: nothing :-) my english also poor |
| 14:53.36 | babilen | No problem, please continue. |
| 14:53.42 | Rosa | when i use fdisk -l it see all the partitions |
| 14:53.58 | Rosa | i have two disk |
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| 14:54.18 | Rosa | on fist one all the patitions are seen ok |
| 14:54.35 | walle | Rosa: sorry, I can not help you...:-( . babilen, it's you turn |
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| 14:55.57 | Rosa | there are some "warnings" on fdisk output |
| 14:56.22 | Rosa | like partitions that not end on a cylinder boundary |
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| 14:56.50 | Rosa | partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 14:57.07 | _joey | will 32 bit commercial application install and run on a 64 bit Linux? |
| 14:57.50 | _joey | there should be compatibility libraries for 32 bit applications installed? |
| 14:58.05 | walle | _joey: I think so |
| 14:58.33 | walle | _joey: it's not a big question, windows can do this well, linux also |
| 14:58.52 | _joey | windows can do many things that linux can't |
| 14:59.02 | abrotman | _joey: if your job depends on it .. probably go i386 |
| 14:59.06 | _joey | maybe it's just easier to get a fresh 32 bits distro |
| 14:59.06 | tensorpudding | _joey, windows can't run applications without libraries |
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| 14:59.13 | tensorpudding | the libraries are provided, it will work fine |
| 14:59.24 | simonlnu | _you'd be surprised |
| 14:59.27 | _joey | okay, thanks abrotman |
| 14:59.34 | tensorpudding | err, there should be an if there |
| 14:59.40 | simonlnu | meh |
| 14:59.44 | abrotman | _joey: is this a server or workstation ? |
| 14:59.55 | walle | _joey: You may be right, but more things are windows can not do, but GNU/Linux can :-) |
| 15:00.25 | tensorpudding | i don't think you can quantify it either way |
| 15:00.32 | Rosa | it cant find some partitions :-( |
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| 15:01.22 | walle | Rosa: ..... |
| 15:01.45 | Rosa | it should be an easy task |
| 15:01.50 | iateadonut | if i were looking for a book about "prefix expressions", what subject might i look under? |
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| 15:03.29 | _joey | walle: such as |
| 15:05.02 | walle | iateadonut: what's you question, I can't understand you |
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| 15:05.56 | walle | iateadonut: are you need to know prefix-exp, post-exp, infix-exp ? |
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| 15:06.46 | iateadonut | has something to do with this: http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_(abstract_data_type)%23Evaluation_of_Prefix_Expression&rct=j&q=%22prefix+expression%22+wikipedea&usg=AFQjCNGQQQDs6vAeKgWj5AQ2ztyqFDrnyg&sa=X&ei=MTi9Tt-PLJLYtwfKiLXZBg&ved=0CC0QygQwAQ |
| 15:06.59 | Maxztt | I have no clue why my sshd is not working properly. On the client side I get this when trying to connect: http://pastebin.com/XcWYR7xh and on the server side, i get nothing at all in the logs. There is no firewall. SSHing to other servers on the local network works. Any clues? |
| 15:07.44 | _joey | in a place where I live linux is used by enthusiasts, academia and ISP companies. The corporate world is divided between MS technology and wintel hardware and Oracle/Java/Sun and other unix platforms. In addition, I read a report than 90% of PCs run MS Windows. 10% is divided between MacOSX and Linux and everything else. That's facts |
| 15:07.47 | _joey | walle: |
| 15:07.55 | _joey | I will use Linux till I die |
| 15:08.15 | WormFood | babilen, It is after 11 pm here, and I need to go to bed. I will dig into this more tomorrow, and if you're around, I'll let you know what I find. (if you're online, but I get no response, I'll send you a /msg) |
| 15:08.46 | WormFood | babilen, thanks a lot for your help....you too walle |
| 15:10.34 | metaspike | _joey: what do your facts have to do with debian? v_v |
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| 15:11.08 | _joey | nothing |
| 15:11.12 | babilen | WormFood: Ok, good luck. You have to set the default release to wheezy/testing (depends on what you have in your sources.list -- /msg dpkg default release) and you can then install nvidia-driver-dkms/nvidia-glx with "aptitude -r -t sid install nvidia-kernel-dkms" or "aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms/sid" |
| 15:11.12 | walle | _joey: yes, you are right. but here is not battlefield |
| 15:11.13 | WormFood | _joey, those are not facts, those are statistics....and statistics can line. |
| 15:11.21 | babilen | WormFood: (or unstable if you use that) |
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| 15:11.28 | tqrst | when you see a package version like "3.9.5-1", does it refer to the original 3.9.5, or a patched version of it? libtiff4's official website only has 3.9.5, so I'm guessing 3.9.5-1 would include some debian-specific patches? |
| 15:11.30 | walle | _joey: :-) |
| 15:11.37 | WormFood | babilen, I'm running wheezy (testing) |
| 15:11.38 | _joey | WormFood: don't tell me about statistics |
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| 15:11.49 | _joey | and facts |
| 15:11.55 | MK___ | hi guys, someone know how i can see CPU Temperature? |
| 15:12.02 | walle | _joey: we want to make it better for people, which wish free |
| 15:12.50 | walle | WormFood: :-) |
| 15:13.05 | joeoshawa | Linux has thousands of free applications and pieces of software. It has free programs which can do as well or in some cases better then windows proprietary software and in some cases windows has no equivalent software. It runs the most powerful servers on the planet and almost all the websites you use every day. It runs on almost any architecture. I can go on |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:13.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 15:13.15 | walle | WormFood: all thing will be better tomorrow |
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| 15:13.50 | WormFood | there are "lies", "damn lies" and "statistics" |
| 15:13.57 | MK___ | no1 can help me? |
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| 15:14.09 | metaspike | MK___: I use yacpi for that |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | MK___: see it in what? GUI? CLI ? |
| 15:14.15 | MK___ | on shell |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | yacpi is decent enough |
| 15:14.25 | MK___ | need to see it on shell |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | or use 'cat' |
| 15:14.37 | MK___ | i have tryed "acpi -t" |
| 15:14.41 | MK___ | but not response |
| 15:14.47 | _joey | joeoshawa: the best free software is backed by commercial companies. For 70% of latest linux kernel money were paid |
| 15:14.51 | abrotman | MK___: possible your mobo doesn't support it |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | _joey: back to Debian ... |
| 15:14.59 | WormFood | MK___, check out "lm-sensors"...will need to configure it. |
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| 15:15.13 | _joey | okay |
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| 15:15.41 | joeoshawa | you miss the point, but then this is for #debian-offtopic |
| 15:15.44 | MK___ | already installed "lm-sensors" |
| 15:15.57 | WormFood | abrotman, since modern CPUs have a temp sensor, it would have to be very old to not have some type of temp monitor. |
| 15:15.58 | walle | WormFood: try a new install by daily build version(may be netinst.iso). then use testing source to update |
| 15:16.07 | abrotman | WormFood: where did he say it was a modern system ? |
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| 15:16.39 | abrotman | joeoshawa: not so much that it's offtopic .. but it takes a lot of space and won't end any time soon .. thanks :) |
| 15:16.47 | WormFood | abrotman, it would have to be VERY old to not have some sort of temp monitor |
| 15:16.50 | walle | WormFood: this is a clean method. also you can update from a stable(squeeze) version as arghx told me yestoday |
| 15:16.58 | abrotman | WormFood: or not have support ... |
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| 15:17.23 | joeoshawa | well i figured its not support or debian specific |
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| 15:17.33 | WormFood | walle, I tried to do that, but debian insisted that my 2 terabyte drive is not formatted....which it is. So I didn't install a new copy of debian. |
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| 15:18.13 | WormFood | MK___, lm-sensors needs to be setup, for it to do anything. |
| 15:18.40 | WormFood | MK___, good luck with it, I need to go to bed now. See ya'll l8r 晚安 |
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| 15:18.58 | walle | WormFood: I can not understand your mean |
| 15:18.58 | MK___ | im try to use Xsensor |
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| 15:19.39 | WormFood | walle I tried to install another copy of debian, but the debian installer said my hard drive is not formatted...and it IS formatted....so I aborted it then. |
| 15:19.52 | jhutchins_lt | !cn |
| 15:19.52 | dpkg | For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿渡æå¼å§ï¼详æ请é读 |
| 15:20.11 | WormFood | I do not need it to trash my 2tb drive. |
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| 15:20.32 | joeoshawa | I have a strange problem tho i am running lxde and dual display however for some reason my second display {43 inch rear projection tv) has no task bar and right and left click don't work. Like lxde is not working only gnome on that screen |
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| 15:20.54 | walle | WormFood: my disk is 1T, I install daily build netinst.iso use usb-slot(use utraiso to write usb as hdd+). |
| 15:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: What filesystem does the partition have? |
| 15:21.05 | abrotman | joeoshawa: which version of Debian ? |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | thought WormFood was going to bed ... |
| 15:21.13 | joeoshawa | wheezy |
| 15:21.26 | abrotman | joeoshawa: you're aware of the gnome3 newness ? |
| 15:21.44 | joeoshawa | yeah hence why i am not using it |
| 15:21.45 | walle | WormFood: sorry, i have not meet you problem... |
| 15:21.57 | marsfligth | Please, do you know an equivalent for *'autotrash'*? On my Ubutu 10.10 64bit don't work (autotrash: purges files from your trash based on age and/or filename) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autotrash |
| 15:22.01 | joeoshawa | it went crazy last night |
| 15:22.01 | pizza_biz | does the debian installer support GPT? i think MBR breaks somewhere around the 2TB level. |
| 15:22.26 | walle | pizza_biz: f16 now is GPT |
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| 15:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | !tell marsfligth about ubuntu |
| 15:22.58 | abrotman | walle: how is that relevant? |
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| 15:23.09 | abrotman | pizza_biz: which version of Debian ? |
| 15:23.30 | abrotman | pizza_biz: ignore that |
| 15:23.47 | abrotman | !gpt |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI). util-linux-ng's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/ |
| 15:24.07 | walle | abrotman: I only recall that. |
| 15:24.19 | arghx | abrotman: fine about fdisk, but what about partman? |
| 15:24.22 | simonlnu | marsfligth: /msg dpkg search (note it's probably not in squeeze) |
| 15:24.59 | simonlnu | and maybe a s,gth,ght, might help too... |
| 15:25.03 | WormFood | jhutchins_lt, it has 2 partitions on it. one is a 16 gig swap, and the rest is ext4....but the installer says it has no partition. (I was gone to brush my teeth, but will go to bed soon) |
| 15:25.28 | metaspike | Maxztt: the last line on your pastebin says Connection to " 192.168.0.199 closed." wait 0? does anyone else here find that's a bad idea? |
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| 15:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Let's look at it tomorrow then. |
| 15:26.04 | walle | WormFood: good night :-) |
| 15:26.07 | WormFood | ok. |
| 15:26.19 | simonlnu | bad idea how? it's a legit non-routable address |
| 15:26.26 | WormFood | see ya'll l8r, good night. |
| 15:26.27 | pizza_biz | 192.168.0.0/24 is a perfectly valid LAN subnet. how is that bad? |
| 15:26.47 | bzrk | metaspike: no |
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| 15:26.55 | metaspike | OK |
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| 15:27.15 | simonlnu | it's 0-255 not 1-256 |
| 15:27.23 | Woet | is it possible to make debian preseed try several times to fetch the kickseed file? |
| 15:27.29 | Woet | because now it tries once, fails and then dies. |
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| 15:28.34 | pizza_biz | now, if it were connection to 192.168.199.0, that is a problem if the netmask is 24 bits or more. |
| 15:28.44 | Owner_ | i need a user to be able to remount a filesystem read-write from a script |
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| 15:30.09 | Maxztt | i have no idea whats wrong with this machine. connections from the client seem to work in a certain way. But there is nothing of the connection showing up in the daemons logfiles, only that it is listening on port 22. |
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| 15:31.56 | abrotman | Owner_: sudo ? |
| 15:32.10 | Owner_ | the user doesnt have sudo access |
| 15:32.30 | Owner_ | let alone passwordless sudo |
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| 15:32.59 | Maxztt | Owner_, fstab should just work for that. |
| 15:33.12 | Owner_ | Maxztt, i tried it but it didnt work |
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| 15:33.33 | walle | which channel is talk about programming? |
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| 15:33.45 | walle | which channel is talk about linux or window are ok |
| 15:33.47 | Maxztt | Owner_, what flags did you set? |
| 15:33.51 | batouzo | walle: what language? ##c++ #java and so on |
| 15:33.55 | steph7 | hi, wireless tools are disappeared but are installed...ideas? |
| 15:33.57 | batouzo | walle: ##linux and #windows |
| 15:34.08 | walle | batouzo: thanks :-) |
| 15:34.14 | Maxztt | steph7, what do you mean by disappeared? |
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| 15:34.46 | steph7 | Maxztt, iwconfig and ifconfig and iwlist: bash commands not found |
| 15:34.59 | bzrk | steph7: try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:35.22 | Owner_ | Maxztt, have you actually tried it? |
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| 15:35.43 | karlpinc | Owner_: pmount ? |
| 15:35.58 | Maxztt | steph7, did you try running them as superuser? |
| 15:36.12 | steph7 | bzrk, ok, but why does not appear normally? |
| 15:36.17 | _joey | walle you can talk about anything on this channel as long as you say what regulars of the channel like to hear. If you state something they don't like you will be accussed of trolling on the spot, you will be warned and may be asked to leave :) |
| 15:36.21 | karlpinc | Owner_: (you still need fstab, probably) |
| 15:36.24 | Maxztt | Owner_, I have definitely done it before. I have not tried it right now though. |
| 15:36.25 | bzrk | steph7: because you dont have /sbin in your path |
| 15:36.33 | Owner_ | how did you do it |
| 15:36.33 | _joey | :) |
| 15:36.34 | steph7 | Maxztt, no.. |
| 15:36.53 | steph7 | bzrk, and..how to set it? |
| 15:37.00 | Maxztt | Owner_, setting the "owner" flag should basically make it work out. And rw is the default, so you don't have to set that explicitly. |
| 15:37.08 | bzrk | steph7: edit your .bashrc to include it |
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| 15:38.01 | Owner_ | Maxztt, so i have to write udev rules to change the owner of the lvm device? |
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| 15:38.26 | simonlnu | _joey: uh, it's a support channel. please don't feed people FUD. thank you. |
| 15:38.31 | steph7 | bzrk, ok, where? |
| 15:38.45 | Maxztt | steph7, then do that. They need to be run by root to show everything anyways. Or try adding sbin to your path. But by default you won't get any interface infos without being root. |
| 15:39.15 | steph7 | Maxztt, in debian, perhaps, not in ubuntu |
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| 15:39.39 | simonlnu | _joey: if you wanna talk about off-topic things, you go to #debian-offtopic. |
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| 15:40.02 | Maxztt | steph7 then just add sbin to your path. |
| 15:40.10 | walle | _joey: :-) thanks for you remind |
| 15:40.22 | steph7 | Maxztt, I don't know how to do it |
| 15:40.27 | abrotman | walle: you might like #debian-offtopic .. it's for being social and talkinga bout whatever |
| 15:40.37 | bzrk | steph7: http://home.ubalt.edu/abento/linux/terminal/addtopath.html |
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| 15:41.09 | steph7 | ok |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | looks at _joey ... |
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| 15:41.25 | steph7 | bzrk, Maxztt thanks for all :-) |
| 15:41.32 | walle | _joey: there are always a lot of battlefields on this planet :-) |
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| 15:42.19 | walle | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 15:42.43 | metaspike | Maxztt: u seen this: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html - less helpful suggestions: try useDNS = 0 in sshconfig, disable any existence of ipv6. eh |
| 15:42.47 | walle | _joey: C++ channel now very hot |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | walle: please .. #debian-offtopic |
| 15:43.26 | walle | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:43.57 | Maxztt | metaspike, I was definitely on that page today, but I did not see the useDNS=0 recommendation |
| 15:44.22 | Maxztt | i might give it a shot, i highly doubt that it will help, but I have no clue what else to do anymore. I tried almost everything. |
| 15:44.34 | walle | abrotman: debian-offtopic have few people |
| 15:45.20 | metaspike | Maxztt: well, my understanding is that somewhere ssh validates dns names, and if the check is invalid the connection will timeout (obviously disabling security features isn't a permanent solution!) |
| 15:45.50 | abrotman | walle: so you can be one more .. |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | walle: this channel, #debian, is not a social channel |
| 15:46.26 | walle | abrotman: yes, i know |
| 15:46.27 | Dagger3 | Maxztt: have you checked the IP address isn't in use on two computers? |
| 15:46.45 | Maxztt | Dagger3, yes, I have checked that |
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| 15:47.23 | Owner_ | owner option in fstab doesnt work either |
| 15:47.28 | Maxztt | metaspike, well, one would expect it to verify it before even responding in the handshake. |
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| 15:49.17 | Dagger3 | and yet you get nothing in, say, /var/log/auth.log when they connect? |
| 15:49.42 | Maxztt | Owner_, did you also try setting user? |
| 15:49.47 | Owner_ | yes |
| 15:49.58 | Dagger3 | can you check with `tcpdump -i any port 22` that you can see the packets for the connection? because it does sound like you're ending up connected to a different machine |
| 15:49.58 | Maxztt | Owner_, hm, it should basically work. |
| 15:50.05 | Owner_ | doesnt work at all |
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| 15:51.05 | metaspike | one would assume a network configuration fault, switch error or such. however you could 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' choose critical (more options) then 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh' and that might give you some more options for the configuration... thats all ive got sorry :( |
| 15:51.13 | gob_bluth | does anybody know of an easy way to get a Lenny domU (non pygrub) to boot on a Squeeze install ? |
| 15:52.02 | Maxztt | metaspike, what I'm suspecting, is that the problem might be somewhere with the interface or it's driver. |
| 15:52.11 | Maxztt | Dagger3, I will |
| 15:53.04 | Dagger3 | MaXim_: the other thing to try could be to ssh to `ssh fe80::<bleh>%eth0` to definitely eliminate the chance of an address stuffup on v4 |
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| 15:53.12 | Dagger3 | arg. Maxztt* |
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| 15:53.39 | kenifanying | hi all, is sftp support chinese? in debian squeeze, i try "sftp user@192.168.56.101" to login in a server, sftp can display chinese character, but i can't input any chinese.so, does anyone (especially japanese,korean)have same problem? sorry for my english |
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| 15:54.05 | walle | kenifanying: I'm chinese |
| 15:54.05 | tqrst | I saw mentions of security patches for libtiff 3.9.5, yet http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/tiff/3.9.5-2 only seems to contain trivial patches that pertain to unrelated things such as man pages. Am I missing something here? |
| 15:54.34 | kenifanying | walle, yes, i know :-) |
| 15:54.36 | walle | kenifanying: I meet you in debia-cn? |
| 15:55.00 | kenifanying | walle, yes, in #ubuntu-cn |
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| 15:55.14 | babilen | walle, kenifanying: It is #debian-zh and is on irc.oftc.net (and urgently needs more users) |
| 15:55.50 | kenifanying | babilen, no #debian-zh available |
| 15:55.55 | walle | kenifanying: I cannot solve you problem, babilen it's you turn |
| 15:56.08 | Maxztt | Dagger3, well, tcpdump shows no packets at all, when I connect to the server. The definitely is no other device with the same ip in the network and the client is acting as if it's connecting properly. (verifying the host key, asking for the password, receiving the ok for the password and so on) |
| 15:56.14 | babilen | kenifanying: on irc.oftc.net not here on irc.freenode.net |
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| 15:56.32 | Maxztt | Dagger3, tcpdump run on the server, that is. |
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| 15:58.20 | kenifanying | babilen, thanks, i will try it |
| 15:58.31 | Dagger3 | Maxztt: it has to be connecting to *somewhere*... you can get the remote MAC address with `ip neigh`, if that's any help |
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| 16:03.01 | _joey | The requirement for commercial software is 1) libXtst 32-bit and 64-bit versions. 2) libXext 32-bit. 3) libstdc++.so.5 (either 32-bit or 64-bit) and 4) glibc 2.4. And a file system with setuid enabled |
| 16:03.03 | _joey | Can these packages can be installed without breaking anyting in the system? |
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| 16:03.15 | _joey | Page 1 - http://support.sas.com/documentation/installcenter/en/ikfdtnlaxsr/64419/PDF/default/sreq.pdf |
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| 16:05.06 | Maxztt | Dagger3, that shows the gateway. |
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| 16:08.49 | Dagger3 | Maxztt: 192.168.0.x is a different network segment to the client? |
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| 16:13.02 | _joey | can an older version of glibc be installed and configured to be used for a specific software? |
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| 16:16.36 | Maxztt | Dagger3, I just discovered something. I installed a sshd on the client to test whether connections the other way would work fine. (actually I did that a while ago, but right now, being puzzle, I thought I should check the auth.log on the client) now it turns out that I can connect to 192.168.0.199 which according to nmap and my gateway is the only ip that the server has. But the ssh connection from the server to my client was made via 192.168.0.197 |
| 16:17.39 | abrotman | _joey: generally no, but if it's linked against a version, you can try to symlink .. it may ormay not explode |
| 16:17.54 | Maxztt | Dagger3, also the server has 3 network interfaces, but only one of them is up. The others are not even connected. |
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| 16:23.09 | Dagger3 | maybe the gateway is doing some hideous NAT or something |
| 16:23.25 | _joey | abrotman: thanks. It's interesting that the software is supported on another distro which doesn't have the old glibc version install, and yet in the system requirments for Linux the vendor states - glibc 2.4 is required |
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| 16:23.54 | Dagger3 | Maxztt: staring at the output of `ip a; ip r` on the client/server/gateway might be helpful too (or pastebin them?) |
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| 16:31.49 | LinuxNoob | I have ALSA installed but I cannot hear audio from the built in speakers only with headphones and when I use RecordMyDesktop I can only hear static when I choose to record audio, help? |
| 16:34.58 | metaspike | welcome back LinuxNoob. open a terminal and type 'alsamixer' |
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| 16:35.30 | cahoot | LinuxNoob, personally I'd run speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal and (install and) run gamix testing different mixersettings |
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| 16:36.43 | LinuxNoob | cahoot: I ran that, not hearing anything |
| 16:36.55 | LinuxNoob | metaspike: I have alsamixer open, what should I do? |
| 16:37.04 | cahoot | *that* being...? |
| 16:37.13 | LinuxNoob | speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 16:37.43 | cahoot | so keep it running and use the mixer |
| 16:38.08 | metaspike | yeah, gamix might be better for you |
| 16:38.29 | LinuxNoob | What is gamix? |
| 16:38.35 | metaspike | alsamixer is good to though, left and right to select a device, enter to mute/unmute, up and down for vol control |
| 16:39.04 | metaspike | no wait, m to mute/unmute |
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| 16:39.25 | LinuxNoob | Okay I have gamix open and speaker-test running |
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| 16:40.16 | metaspike | have a play around. heh |
| 16:40.46 | metaspike | unmute your speakers? they are probably labeled PCM FRONT or somesuch |
| 16:40.50 | Maxztt | Dagger3, its working now. There was some strange nating going on. Thank you for your help. |
| 16:41.04 | DammitJim | how come my httpd.conf is empty in debian? |
| 16:41.28 | LinuxNoob | Does anyone have teamviewer that could help me with it? |
| 16:41.42 | Maxztt | metaspike, also thanks to you, for trying to help. |
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| 16:42.11 | metaspike | i knew it was the switch! ARRGH. np |
| 16:42.17 | arghx | LinuxNoob: ask your real question |
| 16:42.43 | LinuxNoob | I have alsa installed and the audio won't play through the built in speakers, only headphones |
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| 16:43.04 | abrotman | _joey: there's also an LD flag like ASSUME_GLIBC or something like that |
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| 16:45.11 | metaspike | DammitJim: because it is here: /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2/apache2.conf.gz |
| 16:45.32 | LinuxNoob | alsamixer detects my sound card, HDA Intel and the chip Realtek ID 270 without a problem |
| 16:45.33 | DammitJim | metaspike, I just asked in #apache and they said debian uses apache2.conf |
| 16:45.40 | abrotman | DammitJim: because that file is supposed tobe empty |
| 16:45.48 | abrotman | DammitJim: use the conf.d stuff instead |
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| 16:46.03 | DammitJim | abrotman, what is apache2.conf for, then? |
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| 16:46.06 | DammitJim | or is that what you meant? |
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| 16:46.16 | Owner_ | DAMMIT JIM! |
| 16:46.19 | metaspike | lol |
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| 16:46.54 | DammitJim | dammit... Owner_ |
| 16:46.59 | batouzo | on debian squeeze in console with KMS, how to set text mode of the virtual terminal? |
| 16:47.06 | Owner_ | i will OWN YOU |
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| 16:48.45 | karlpinc | dpkg: readme.debian DammitJim |
| 16:48.46 | dpkg | karlpinc: are you using Windows? |
| 16:49.00 | karlpinc | !tell DammitJim about readme.debian |
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| 16:49.24 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Apache has a readme.debian that is worth reading. |
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| 16:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | There's also apache2-doc |
| 16:52.02 | abrotman | DammitJim: generally .. i use the conf.d files for modifications .. it's ultimately up to you .. but generally, the httpd.conf isn't used AFAIK |
| 16:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | Debian goes farther with the distributed configuration of apache thaan others i've used |
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| 16:53.58 | _jesse_ | can anyone point me to the best way to install a package from sid when running testing? I swear I saw it once |
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| 16:54.02 | raven | lvm pvcreate - neverending problem "cannot open /dev/sdx# exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" any ideas? |
| 16:54.11 | LinuxNoob | I'm going to try to build the sound codecs for my drivers |
| 16:54.22 | _jesse_ | raven: unmount it |
| 16:54.41 | _jesse_ | raven: you'll probably need to boot up a live cd if you want to modify existing partitions |
| 16:54.44 | raven | _jesse_, it is not mounted |
| 16:54.50 | _jesse_ | ah |
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| 16:54.55 | raven | _jesse_, i did already a thousand times |
| 16:55.07 | LinuxNoob | ./install: 48: alsaconf: not found |
| 16:55.13 | LinuxNoob | what is alsaconf |
| 16:55.25 | _jesse_ | LinuxNoob: a program |
| 16:55.37 | raven | _jesse_, wiped with dd /dev/zero but still this problem |
| 16:55.40 | _jesse_ | let's you configure the alsa sound subsystem |
| 16:55.49 | LinuxNoob | where do I get it |
| 16:56.09 | _jesse_ | LinuxNoob: I actually think it's been removed from the repositories, I tried looking for it once |
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| 16:56.45 | abrotman | !tell _jesse_ about pinning |
| 16:56.47 | raven | _jesse_, wiped with dd /dev/zero but still this problem |
| 16:56.52 | raven | lvm pvcreate - neverending problem "cannot open /dev/sdx# exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" any ideas? |
| 16:56.56 | beware | on a debian squeeze system of mine (upgraded from lenny), bind fails to start on startup, reporting missing addresses/etc. if i start it manually, it starts. it looks like it's being started too early by the init system |
| 16:57.05 | _jesse_ | raven: hrm, you've exhausted my expertise in that area |
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| 16:57.15 | abrotman | beware: is a dependent filesystem not there? |
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| 16:57.22 | abrotman | beware: or all of your ips not up yet? |
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| 16:57.38 | _jesse_ | abrotman: awesome thanks |
| 16:58.15 | beware | bind9's init script depends on $network |
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| 16:58.20 | jhutchins_lt | beware: You're not bringing the interface up with Network-manager are you? |
| 16:58.24 | abrotman | _jesse_: beware .. pinning has issues |
| 16:58.34 | beware | $network means: low level networking (ethernet card etc), perhaps it does not mean /etc/network/interfaces has been done yet? |
| 16:58.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell _jesse_ about ssb |
| 16:58.45 | abrotman | _jesse_: that might be better |
| 16:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | !alsaconf |
| 16:58.48 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 16:58.55 | beware | i use /etc/network/interfaces. does that mean i use network-manager? |
| 16:58.56 | _jesse_ | abrotman: yeah I know, I just wanted it for one small program until it gets pushed to testing |
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| 16:59.33 | _jesse_ | ah yeah this is probably better |
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| 16:59.58 | beware | the failure *looks like* the IPs are not up at that time |
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| 17:00.28 | beware | the question is: initing of /etc/network/interfaces, and dependency on $network in LSB init scripts |
| 17:00.28 | walle | hello all |
| 17:00.50 | walle | abrotman: debian-zh only 10 people |
| 17:01.01 | walle | abrotman: there are no questions |
| 17:01.22 | walle | abrotman: it's sad |
| 17:01.28 | raven | lvm pvcreate - neverending problem "cannot open /dev/sdx# exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" any ideas? |
| 17:01.34 | somiaj | beware: no network-manager is a daemon that manages your interfaces more dynamically. /etc/network/interface is a config file you can use to bring up and down predesigned networks. |
| 17:01.36 | beware | does $network depend on ifupdown? |
| 17:01.48 | beware | ok. i don't use network-manager |
| 17:01.56 | somiaj | beware: network manager will ignore any devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces as well |
| 17:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | walle: Isn't it the middle of the night there? |
| 17:02.26 | somiaj | beware: what do you mean depend, lsb headders depend on other init scripts, not on programs. ifup/down are just wrappers to ifconfig using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:02.55 | beware | ifupdown is a (lsb) init script that executes ifup on interfaces |
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| 17:03.03 | somiaj | raven: seems like the error says that your pgorgram won't work on mounted filesystems, is that device mounted? |
| 17:03.05 | beware | $network is a "virtual service" that a script can depend on |
| 17:03.16 | beware | bind9 has a should-start on $network |
| 17:03.24 | walle | jhutchins_lt: yes, but there are some people on line |
| 17:03.26 | raven | somiaj, no |
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| 17:04.05 | raven | somiaj, i cann erase with dd zero, create and change partitions but cannot create filesystems/pvlvm |
| 17:04.11 | beware | so, i'm asking: is $network only satisfied after ifupdown has started? |
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| 17:07.52 | beware | ok i could try things |
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| 17:13.03 | walle | ctags some time can not find tag |
| 17:13.12 | walle | anyone have good idea about this? |
| 17:13.23 | raven | somiaj, i cann erase with dd zero, create and change partitions but cannot create filesystems/pvlvm |
| 17:13.26 | raven | lvm pvcreate - neverending problem "cannot open /dev/sdx# exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" any ideas? |
| 17:13.35 | jhutchins_lt | beware: Which release is this? |
| 17:13.36 | walle | another question is: is etags vs ctags, which is better? |
| 17:13.47 | rly | I cannot open my Trash icon in Gnome; nothing happens. Can I see an error log somewhere? |
| 17:14.45 | rly | I can select and press enter on it, but nothing happens. |
| 17:15.03 | rly | I never had that before. |
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| 17:17.58 | rly | Apparently, Ubuntu people have the same issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68767/i-cant-open-the-trash-from-the-launchers-trash-icon |
| 17:18.28 | rly | As well as Suse users: http://forums.novell.com/suse/suse-product-discussion-forums/suse-linux-enterprise/suse-linux-enterprise-desktop-sled/sled-applications/444384-cannot-open-trash-folder.html |
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| 17:20.24 | rly | If I empty the trash via the CLI, it opens twenty instances of the Trash in Nautilus. |
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| 17:20.49 | rly | I wonder who thought it was a good idea to design it like that. |
| 17:21.51 | ompaul | rly: and how do you empty it with the cli? |
| 17:22.01 | rly | ompaul: rm -rf * |
| 17:22.10 | somiaj | rly: what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:22.16 | rly | ompaul: in the right directory of course. |
| 17:22.19 | ompaul | rly: somiaj had my next question |
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| 17:22.28 | rly | ompaul: Squeeze |
| 17:22.46 | BW^- | how do i do so that a service that is installed (tomcat etc.) is _not_ started automatically on boot, but only through manual start? (i.e. /etc/init.d/thething start) ? |
| 17:23.17 | eviltoaster | Does the apt-get update command save packages.gz data to /var/cache/apt/ ? |
| 17:23.55 | rly | OK, this is epic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/599649 |
| 17:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | eviltoaster: How would you go about finding that out for yourself? |
| 17:24.15 | rly | A user reports an error in the system, and then they convert it into a 'question'. |
| 17:24.57 | Maxztt | rly, the trash can also be deleted via the shell |
| 17:25.14 | somiaj | BW^-: update-rc.d is what you want to use to add/remove services from starting. Though you may want to check /usr/share/doc/tomcat some services are started by other services (maybe apache) and usually info is put there to help people in your situation. |
| 17:25.16 | rly | Gnome simply has a bug there and nothing else. Some developer made a mistake or the UI is terrible, since clicking on it and not having _any_ response is almost by definition a bug. |
| 17:25.23 | rly | Maxztt: I already said I solved it myself. |
| 17:25.29 | gentz | Every once inawhile network-manager is overwriting /etc/resolv.conf (even though the service hasn't been restarted). how can i prevent this? |
| 17:25.31 | Maxztt | rly, which works without "spinning wheels", as the person who filed that bug report eloquently put it. |
| 17:25.48 | rly | Maxztt: I was just explaining the ridiculous response from Ubuntu. |
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| 17:27.47 | rly | If you have a bug tracking system, also use it as bug tracking system, or name is a bug excuse database. |
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| 17:27.55 | rly | it* |
| 17:28.02 | somiaj | gentz: don't use network-manager. Again you want to give network-manager the ability to rewrite that file, so you may want to track down why network-manager is rewritting resolve.conf in a bad way |
| 17:28.04 | ompaul | rly: delete a sample set of files (say three) file foo1/2/3.txt then cd one dir below the /usr/share/local/.Trash or whatever it is this month, mv that file back to the desktop |
| 17:28.09 | makk_ | any debian/mint dual boot links? |
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| 17:28.57 | jhutchins_lt | gentz: It's probably dhcp that overwrites the file, this can be configured in dhclient.conf |
| 17:29.00 | somiaj | gentz: you could also look into packages like openresolv or resolvconf to manage your resolve.conf file (though since I don't use network-manager unsure how well it playws with those) |
| 17:29.29 | gentz | somiaj, jhutchins_lt: ty! |
| 17:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | As far as I know network-manager doesn't do anything with resolv.conf |
| 17:29.57 | corretico_ | hello |
| 17:30.09 | gentz | jhutchins_lt: i found what i was looking for in dhclient.conf . thanks! |
| 17:30.19 | jhutchins_lt | xlnt |
| 17:30.27 | rly | ompaul: I can't reproduce it in that way. |
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| 17:30.39 | corretico_ | somebody knows about GRE tunnels between Cisco and Debian?? |
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| 17:32.15 | ompaul | rly: so in the case of the removal something senses your action on a per file basis in gnome ooch |
| 17:33.08 | rly | ompaul: ooch? |
| 17:33.21 | ompaul | painful |
| 17:33.29 | rly | ompaul: all I can say is that if I had programmed it, it would never ever do that. |
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| 17:34.24 | ompaul | rly: you know what to do ;-) {warning this could cause a flame war but it is my joke d'jour} like me you could run kde :) |
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| 17:34.37 | rly | ompaul: but kde is terrible. |
| 17:34.39 | rly | ompaul: :) |
| 17:34.41 | beware | jhutchins_lt: squeeze |
| 17:34.59 | rly | ompaul: but perhaps I don't know how to setup KDE to make it not suck for me. |
| 17:35.17 | beware | as a test i made bind9 require-start ifupdown, so i need to reboot in a bit to test that |
| 17:35.22 | ompaul | rly: well that would be a convo for #debian-kde or in a pm |
| 17:35.25 | jhutchins_lt | beware: No outside packages? Is this a clean install or an upgrade from Lenny? |
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| 17:35.46 | beware | upgrade from lenny |
| 17:35.48 | rly | Clicking on a Trashcan must open a window, show some files, allow for deletion of some selection and that's it. How it can possibly not even open the window in any case is a true mystery. |
| 17:36.31 | Woet | rly: it does that on my system! |
| 17:36.47 | beware | interface eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces uses "up" to call an own script that adds ip addresses |
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| 17:36.59 | rly | Woet: you had the same issue or you currently have it? |
| 17:37.06 | beware | but ifupdown should only return after that script has completed |
| 17:37.35 | makk_ | so... command line to install adobe flash?, links to dual boot mint/ debian?? |
| 17:37.36 | Woet | rly: i mean, clicking on a trashcan opens a window for me, shows some files, allows for deletion/secure deletion/restore. it's awesome. |
| 17:37.58 | rly | Woet: it also does that for me in 99.999% of the cases. |
| 17:38.14 | rly | Woet: the thing is, it should do that in 99.999999999999% of the cases. |
| 17:38.22 | Woet | rly: it does it for me 100% of the cases. |
| 17:38.29 | rly | Woet: no, it doesn't. |
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| 17:38.34 | Woet | rly: "for me" |
| 17:38.35 | wildc4rd | good evening all |
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| 17:38.36 | ompaul | a lot less edge cases |
| 17:38.38 | rly | Woet: you just think it does, unless you fixed the bug. |
| 17:38.56 | Woet | rly: i can assure you every single time i click the trashcan it does what i mentioned. |
| 17:39.01 | rly | Woet: there are lots of people who reported this issue in 4 different distros. |
| 17:39.11 | rly | Woet: and so it has also for me. |
| 17:39.16 | rly | Woet: until today. |
| 17:39.18 | walle | good-bey all, go to bed :-) |
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| 17:39.41 | Woet | rly: maybe you should try my distro, it's called os x |
| 17:40.07 | rly | Woet: the one time I tried it in a shop, I ran into a bug :( |
| 17:40.34 | rly | I don't care for expensive, but if it then doesn't even work... no. |
| 17:41.23 | Woet | rly: nothing is bugless |
| 17:41.32 | Woet | rly: but i can safely say it works quite a lot better |
| 17:41.39 | rly | Woet: funny you mention that, since all my software is. |
| 17:41.49 | Woet | rly: you should become a debian developer then :) |
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| 17:44.44 | cantido | Whats the best way of having like a terminal server where people can connect via vnc or similar and just have a session created.. opposed to having to start one? |
| 17:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: Depends on which vnc server you use, some default to that. |
| 17:45.24 | raven | lvm pvcreate - neverending problem "cannot open /dev/sdx# exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" any ideas? |
| 17:45.34 | cantido | jhutchins_lt: can you name one that does it? |
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| 17:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | cantido: I can't keep 'em straight, but they are all capable of it. |
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| 17:47.13 | jhutchins_lt | Pretty sure that both tight and open default to it. |
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| 17:48.33 | cantido | mmm last time I used any of them you had to start the session, there wasnt a daemon hanging around to do it |
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| 17:55.31 | raven | lvm pvcreate - neverending problem "cannot open /dev/sdx# exclusively. Mounted filesystem?" any ideas? |
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| 17:57.25 | somiaj | raven: 'mount' -- again look the error up, the program is telling you it thinks the filesystem is mounted (or parts of it is). google errors is a good way to look up what others have ran across |
| 17:58.09 | marsfligth | Please, do you know an equivalent for *'autotrash'*? (AutoTrash: Automatically purge GNOME trash) http://www.logfish.net/pr/autotrash/ |
| 17:58.21 | raven | somiaj, i can erase it with zero and repartition but only formatting is not possible!!!!!!! |
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| 17:59.26 | somiaj | raven: what are you using to format? mkfs? |
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| 17:59.49 | raven | somiaj, pvcreate, mkfs, gparted, ...................... |
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| 18:03.47 | beware | ok, i made bind9 Required-Start ifupdown and now it starts successfully on boot |
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| 18:06.12 | BLZbubba | hello there, is there an easy way to grab the experimental version of xorg? i have 2:1.11.1.901-2 now, from testing i believe, but apparently there is a fix in experimental that i need |
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| 18:07.03 | beware | this may also be random. like, maybe what i did, did not fix anything |
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| 18:07.48 | jhutchins_lt | beware: You should probably file a bugreport. |
| 18:08.14 | phogg | how do I disable whatever it is that makes my console more than 80x25 and the text unusually small? |
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| 18:10.10 | BLZbubba | phogg: install nvidia's driver or set the vga mode in the kernel boot command line |
| 18:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | phogg: Depends on your hardware: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 18:11.45 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: THat'll work great on his Intel hardware, won't it? |
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| 18:15.25 | somiaj | phogg: check /etc/default/grub -- you can set the default there |
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| 18:16.33 | BLZbubba | jhutchins_lt: just trying to help, i missed an earlier post apparently |
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| 18:17.34 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba: The point is we don't know what hardware he has, so noveau solutions are premature. |
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| 18:19.00 | jemadux | any way to install adobe air on my testing debian box ? |
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| 18:19.25 | kleanchap | How do I install the basic development environment on Debian? Make, Perl, Kernel Header files etc... |
| 18:20.07 | kharloss | hi there. i have a strange problem. 3 days ago i encountered a big problem. at 12 ( i`m GMT + 2) PM my webserver stop responding / extremly slow conection using ssh. I see there is a large amount of data copied ( backup something maybe, or i don`t know) - i see this on hdd led, and harddisk sound like verry busy one. i`m not a power user, i`m more a webdesigner. somebody can help ? ( i |
| 18:20.07 | kharloss | mention, if i restart my webserver, everything it`s ok after) but restarting my server every night, ofcourse isn`t a solution. thanks in advance |
| 18:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | build-essential should be most of it. |
| 18:20.17 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: ^ |
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| 18:20.25 | babilen | kleanchap: Start with built-essential and take it from there. Perl should already be installed, kernel headers are in the linux-header-* packages. (best install a metapackage) |
| 18:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: You mean midnight? |
| 18:21.05 | kleanchap | jhutchins2, babilen : Thnx! |
| 18:21.08 | georgehrke | can i get support here? |
| 18:21.26 | jhutchins_lt | georgehrke: For what? |
| 18:21.27 | kharloss | jhutchins_lt yes, midnight |
| 18:21.36 | georgehrke | i've got a problem with my debian |
| 18:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: It's probably nightly maintenance scripts. |
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| 18:22.04 | kharloss | if i crontab - e nothing show |
| 18:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: /etc/cron.* |
| 18:22.27 | dalla | !addon |
| 18:22.41 | dalla | !list |
| 18:22.42 | dpkg | dalla: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: logrotate, updatedb, make whatis, etc. |
| 18:23.40 | georgehrke | after every boot 'network manager' generates /etc/resolv.conf and after this the file is empty (expect the comment generated by network manager) |
| 18:24.00 | kharloss | jhutchins_lt, this happened every day, so i have to watch my corn.daily right ? |
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| 18:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: However, if you're seeing lots of network traffic you need to look at the apache2 logs and see what's actually happening, look at the daemon logs, etc. |
| 18:24.15 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: That's a good start. |
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| 18:24.37 | kharloss | jhutchins_lt seems more like harddisk activity ... |
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| 18:25.37 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: I have no idea what you've set up or installed on the system. In Etch I had some program that checked every file on the disk for suexec or some such nonsense. It would cause the disk controller to time out. |
| 18:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: So use tools like top, ps, other things to see what's actually running. |
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| 18:27.10 | kharloss | that`s a big problem, at 12.01 i can`t do anything if large backup / or i don`tt know what is starts. |
| 18:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: There are also log analizers that can be scheduled to run and look for security problems. |
| 18:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: How could there be a backup if you didn't set one up? |
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| 18:28.20 | kharloss | actually my problem started after i following this tutorial ... http://www.cs.umd.edu/~cdunne/projs/backuppc_guide.html#Client%20Setup%20%28Windows%207/Vista/XP%29 |
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| 18:28.38 | jbrks | mind me.. is ext3 more stable than ext4 for software raid? |
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| 18:32.26 | SachinDey | I'm new to DEBIAN, i downloaded first CD image of Squeeze |
| 18:32.27 | SachinDey | Installed it without internet. The "sources.list" file contains only security.debian.org repository |
| 18:32.28 | SachinDey | How do i add the packages.debian.org repository |
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| 18:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze sources.list |
| 18:36.18 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:36.27 | allisterb | hello I'm trying to remove a small package (remmina) but synaptic tells me that it needs to remove the gnome and gnome-desktop packages...how can I troubleshoot this? |
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| 18:38.25 | LoveBoy | So what is with GNOME 3? Is it going to be included in Debian 7? |
| 18:38.28 | gn00b | just installed virtualbox and tried to install winxp-64. got this message: enable the local advanced programmable interrupt controller (APIC).... how do i do this? |
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| 18:39.00 | LoveBoy | gn00b: running a custom kernel ? |
| 18:39.51 | mengesb | Hello; I'm installing a fresh deb-squeeze build on a sw raid1, I've setup the drives and went through the install process and now grub-pc is failing to install... I chose 'install the grub boot loader on a hard disk' and it errors 'grpu-pc package failed to install into /target/.' .. but my /dev/md0 is /target/boot ... ?? |
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| 18:42.18 | SachinDey | allisterb: gnome is a meta package it only includes data of required packages or app. Even if gnome gets removed you won't have any problem |
| 18:43.11 | abrotman | not quite |
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| 18:46.18 | jhutchins_lt | LoveBoy: Gnome3 isn't finished yet. Distros that claim to have it are really just taking the components that are ready and patching it together with Gnome2 for what's missing. |
| 18:46.46 | abrotman | uhm .. gnome3 is finished |
| 18:46.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: go to gnome.org .. what is the current release? |
| 18:47.05 | prgmrchris | owned |
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| 18:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I suppose it depends on what you mean by finished. Mint is releasing with a 2/3 hybrid. |
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| 18:47.40 | abrotman | LoveBoy: and yes, gnome3 will be in Wheezy/Debian7 |
| 18:48.11 | LoveBoy | GNOME 3 is finished as well as finished |
| 18:48.15 | LoveBoy | Linus hates it |
| 18:48.20 | SachinDey | Haven't even got to try the gnome shell? |
| 18:48.26 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's their decision .. it doesn't mean gnome3 isn't finished .. that's just because they're placating to whiny users |
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| 18:48.39 | abrotman | LoveBoy: who cares .. Linus can use whatever he wants |
| 18:48.48 | abrotman | he hated kde4 too |
| 18:48.50 | mengesb | any assistance with a fresh linux raid1 install? I'm not able to install grub reported by the installer... not sure what I'm doing wrong here |
| 18:48.52 | abrotman | probably still does |
| 18:49.45 | LoveBoy | mengesb: you need to install GRUB on a primary partition |
| 18:49.49 | jhutchins_lt | I'm not real fond of kde4, but it's what I mostly use. |
| 18:49.53 | LoveBoy | sda1 preferably |
| 18:50.00 | SachinDey | Linus would prefer bash |
| 18:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | SachinDey: Actually, he uses a GUI desktop. |
| 18:50.24 | mengesb | LoveBoy: that's all fine, but shouldn't the installer take care of that then? |
| 18:50.27 | abrotman | it doesn't matter what he uses .. |
| 18:50.43 | mengesb | LoveBoy: i'm going through partman and defining raid1 sets for /boot, /, and swap |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | xfce |
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| 18:51.36 | mengesb | LoveBoy: are you saying to leave the /boot partition out of the raid1 ? really defeats the purpose i'm going for here |
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| 18:52.11 | SachinDey | We have different choices on our linux. I think we shouldn't go for anything that looks fancy |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | good for you |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | anyone actually have a Debian problem, or just here to whine? |
| 18:53.13 | arghx | debian is so old! |
| 18:53.26 | SachinDey | I saw a mac lion screenshot it looks like gnome3 and gnome3 was released before lion |
| 18:53.50 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Looks like mengesb is struggling with a raid install. |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | i think he was given an answer? |
| 18:54.08 | jhutchins_lt | mengesb: Did you read the part of the install guide about installing to raid? |
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| 18:54.22 | jbrks | mengesb, http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.boot-raid-squeeze&l=it << i'm actually doing one raid1 atm |
| 18:54.23 | jhutchins_lt | mengesb: you are using software raid (mdadm), right? |
| 18:55.02 | mengesb | jhutchins2: been through several guides... not sure why grub-installer isn't working with this though |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | mengesb: google "debian squeeze software raid grub" .. see what you get back |
| 18:55.22 | mengesb | jhutchins2: let me look at jbrks link |
| 18:55.22 | jbrks | mengesb, 1 thing that article left out is the swap stuff.. i'm checking what i should do |
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| 18:55.54 | jbrks | mengesb, the cool thing with mdadm is you can have a hot spare.. |
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| 18:56.04 | mengesb | jbrks: you talking about bug 548648 ? |
| 18:56.17 | jbrks | mengesb, ? |
| 18:56.19 | Datz | hello, is there a way I can set debian to not start x at boot? |
| 18:56.35 | mengesb | 'grub-pc misdetects md raid layout and fails to initialize |
| 18:56.47 | abrotman | !tell Datz about nodm |
| 18:57.10 | jbrks | mengesb, that's 2009 |
| 18:57.21 | mengesb | i know |
| 18:57.33 | mengesb | run installer with 'dmraid' ... didn't do that |
| 18:57.44 | Datz | thanks |
| 18:57.48 | mengesb | oh have to do it after the fact? |
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| 18:57.56 | mengesb | just skip the grub portion when it fails? |
| 18:58.06 | jbrks | mengesb, for um software raid.. shouldn't you be using mdadm instead of dmraid? |
| 18:58.31 | mengesb | jbrks: i'm in the installer still... there's nothing on these disks |
| 18:58.33 | jbrks | mengesb, btw mdadm is very well developed with the help of intel |
| 18:58.50 | jbrks | mengesb, check out that link i gave it has screenshots |
| 18:58.56 | Datz | abrotman: eh.. should be easier :P |
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| 18:59.28 | Datz | like BSD's |
| 18:59.31 | Datz | rc's |
| 19:00.01 | abrotman | Datz: you can do it that way also .. but it generally doesn't "stick" |
| 19:00.11 | Datz | ah |
| 19:00.29 | mengesb | jbrks: here's the thing.... |
| 19:00.37 | Datz | maybe I'll just stop gdm(3) after boot |
| 19:00.41 | jbrks | mengesb, the one thing i have to decide is what to do with the swap.. should i place that in a software raid? doesnt make sense to me |
| 19:00.43 | mengesb | jbrks: i am doing exactly that, until I get to the grub-install |
| 19:00.57 | Datz | for some reason after I disconnected the monitor gdm started hogging loads of cpu |
| 19:01.05 | jbrks | mengesb, you using the 6.03 installer? |
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| 19:01.17 | mengesb | jbrks: yes, 6.0.3 netboot |
| 19:01.21 | mengesb | netinst* |
| 19:01.31 | jbrks | mengesb, what about it? |
| 19:01.52 | mengesb | jbrks: i define my raid set |
| 19:01.56 | jbrks | mengesb, did you grub-install to the other mbr harddrive as well? |
| 19:02.09 | jbrks | mengesb, you may have to do so manually as hinted on that article |
| 19:02.10 | mengesb | jbrks: 3 partitions, /boot, /, swap, and when I get to installing grub it says it fails |
| 19:02.24 | jbrks | mengesb, you need to install grub to the mbr |
| 19:02.45 | mengesb | jbrks: so I have to go into rescue and install it after the fact? |
| 19:02.54 | jbrks | mengesb, i'm not sure if /boot still has to be on a non-raid partition |
| 19:03.07 | jbrks | mengesb, btw where's your swap? just curious.. |
| 19:03.11 | jbrks | f needs help |
| 19:03.21 | jbrks | golly i have to look with GOOGLE |
| 19:03.27 | DelTree | "update-rc.d gdm disable" doesn't do the trick ? |
| 19:03.31 | mengesb | jbrks: its on the raid device... but quite frankly swap shouldn't be used in this scenario |
| 19:03.57 | mengesb | jbrks: I don't want to have a missing swap because one of the drives fail though |
| 19:04.00 | Datz | DelTree: I'll make a note and try that |
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| 19:06.00 | somiaj | DelTree: display managers aren't started in a paticular run level, you should set the display manager in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:06.22 | somiaj | Datz: ^^ |
| 19:06.38 | somiaj | put 'false' in there for no display manager |
| 19:07.08 | DelTree | somiaj: but... there is /etc/init.d/gdm... that's why I thought..... |
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| 19:09.36 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 19:09.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 19:10.36 | abrotman | he has already been told |
| 19:10.44 | DelTree | /etc/rc3.d/S22gdm -> ../init.d/gdm |
| 19:10.46 | in2tactics | i vote for zero display manager to begin with!!!! boot to CLI!! |
| 19:10.58 | abrotman | and the method DelTree gave him will be reset the next time the package is reinstalled |
| 19:11.22 | somiaj | he used 'disable' and not remove so it shouldn't put the links back I thought. |
| 19:11.34 | DelTree | confused... |
| 19:11.59 | abrotman | i'd be skeptical .. nothing stops the maintainer from resetting those |
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| 19:12.52 | abrotman | not AFAIK anyway |
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| 19:15.23 | zulax | so all way i was wondering why I cant open my port, apparently i am on debian and not on ubuntu |
| 19:15.31 | mengesb | Is there a known problem with the debian 6.0.3 installer and swraid1 with grub-pc? any way to get back to the old grub? every time I attempt installing grub it fails... do I have to do it post-install? |
| 19:15.38 | zulax | does debian have ufw like? ofr opening ports? |
| 19:15.46 | zulax | or how do i open port 8080 on debian |
| 19:15.57 | abrotman | zulax: you have a damemon listen on the port |
| 19:16.13 | jelly-home | zulax: by default, Debian has no local firewall. |
| 19:16.13 | abrotman | daemon |
| 19:16.14 | zulax | abrotman, dont know, i think not |
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| 19:16.31 | daemon | abrotman, |
| 19:16.33 | abrotman | zulax: yes .. that's how you do it .. you don't "open" a port .. you have soemthing listen on it |
| 19:16.43 | abrotman | daemon: sorry, not intentional :) |
| 19:16.47 | daemon | :) np |
| 19:16.48 | kleanchap | How do I install the kernel header files for the current kernel? |
| 19:17.01 | abrotman | kleanchap: aptitude search linux-headers |
| 19:17.18 | kleanchap | abrotman, Thnx |
| 19:17.33 | zulax | abrotman, well i have a virtual host made to listen to port 8080, is that what you meant? |
| 19:18.07 | jelly-home | zulax: use apache2ctl -S to verify which vhosts are enabled and what ports they're active on |
| 19:18.08 | abrotman | zulax: that should be enough .. is it listening? check with netstat |
| 19:18.24 | jelly-home | (assuming apache) |
| 19:18.30 | zulax | abrotman, nop at least as of now port 8080 is closed |
| 19:18.59 | zulax | jelly-home, i have 8080 listed with -S |
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| 19:20.37 | zulax | *:8080 site.com (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) |
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| 19:20.59 | abrotman | zulax: so something else may be wrong ? |
| 19:21.00 | zulax | netstat -anltp|grep :8080 => gives nothing! |
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| 19:21.11 | jelly-home | ports.conf |
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| 19:21.43 | zulax | jelly-home, thanks, it just have 80 listed |
| 19:21.53 | zulax | do i add 8080? |
| 19:21.59 | jelly-home | sounds reasonable |
| 19:22.31 | somiaj | zulax: you can configure apache (or your webserver to listen on that port) |
| 19:22.36 | zulax | jelly-home, does it require apache restart? |
| 19:22.42 | jelly-home | it does. |
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| 19:23.10 | macc | please send lin to debian 32 bit cd .iso |
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| 19:24.17 | macc | lin to .iso pweeze |
| 19:24.21 | acemi | zulax: python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080 does this work? |
| 19:24.21 | kleanchap | How do I force to install all the dependencies (recursively) for a specific package? |
| 19:24.27 | pizza_biz | there's a link to the netinst ISO on the front page of www.debian.org. |
| 19:24.44 | jhutchins_lt | @tell macc about mirrors |
| 19:24.50 | jelly-home | macc: that first link is good for both 32 and 64 bit. |
| 19:24.58 | jelly-home | macc: pweeze. |
| 19:25.19 | zulax | acemi, jelly-home , adding 8080 to ports.conf worked, thank you very much guys, |
| 19:25.33 | zulax | I spent two hrs searching on ubuntu forums and chatroom to figure this out yesterday |
| 19:25.36 | zulax | :( |
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| 19:26.16 | jelly-home | I'll ignore the implication that you're actually using Ubuntu. |
| 19:26.22 | zulax | Now, my port 8080 is up and running :) |
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| 19:26.47 | zulax | no, i thought i was on ubuntu until yesterday, |
| 19:27.05 | jelly-home | ha! |
| 19:27.07 | zulax | and after failures, i had to know which distro i was on |
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| 19:32.23 | kleanchap | To beer or not to beer |
| 19:32.26 | kleanchap | :-) |
| 19:32.42 | boudiccas | kleanchap; irrelevant |
| 19:33.35 | kleanchap | Looks like Debian install is going well now. :-) |
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| 19:34.27 | nocturne7 | how do I reformat an SSD ? makefs won't erase its contents |
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| 19:35.26 | Artemis3 | you could dd /dev/zero to it :) |
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| 19:35.45 | nocturne7 | Artemis3: is that dangerous ? |
| 19:36.00 | nocturne7 | I just want a regular format man |
| 19:36.00 | Artemis3 | you want to delete it or not? |
| 19:36.18 | rly | nocturne7: for a format you don't need to delete its contents. |
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| 19:36.34 | jelly-home | nocturne7: what's your goal with that reformat |
| 19:36.35 | rly | nocturne7: also 'deletion' is a rather abstract concept. |
| 19:36.53 | rly | nocturne7: theoretically deletion is impossible physically. |
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| 19:37.03 | nocturne7 | I did mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:37.14 | Artemis3 | and unhealthy probably for flash devices |
| 19:37.14 | nocturne7 | I think there might be some bad sectors |
| 19:37.22 | nocturne7 | I am not sure |
| 19:37.26 | nocturne7 | that's why I want to format it |
| 19:37.37 | Artemis3 | oh, try leaving some portion unpartitioned, some SSDs use that to reassign bad sectors |
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| 19:38.17 | jelly-home | nocturne7: ok. What makes you think there're bad sectors. Do you have the output of that mkfs saved? |
| 19:38.30 | Artemis3 | parted should do the trick, or gdisk / fdisk... |
| 19:38.44 | nocturne7 | I received a DRDY during boot |
| 19:38.46 | Artemis3 | i prefer gdisk lately |
| 19:39.06 | nocturne7 | Artemis: I used gdisk when I was partitionin initially |
| 19:39.15 | jelly-home | nocturne7: pastebin the output of "dmesg" command or contents of /var/log/kern.log since the boot. |
| 19:39.33 | Artemis3 | that should do the trick, use it again, make your partitions, and leave some empty unpartitioned space at the end |
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| 19:40.21 | jelly-home | Artemis3: I don't think SSD firmware will analyze the partition table and "know" which parts are unpartitioned. |
| 19:40.27 | Artemis3 | then just mkfs your way to each partition, done. |
| 19:40.38 | jelly-home | Artemis3: do you have a reference that happens? |
| 19:41.13 | Artemis3 | i need to search it, but read it somewhere, that SSDs use unpartitioned space to reassign bad sectors, only if available of course.. firmware thing |
| 19:41.13 | nocturne7 | http://pastebin.com/MzXU4XAh |
| 19:42.01 | nocturne7 | I have mistakenly mkfs.ext4'ed a windows partition |
| 19:42.08 | nocturne7 | any chance of recovering that ? |
| 19:42.16 | jelly-home | nocturne7: where did you find that 3.1.0-4-ARCH kernel btw? |
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| 19:42.26 | ompaul | nocturne7: slim to $10k |
| 19:42.36 | Artemis3 | oh, backup first ;) hmm testdisk should help recover it back |
| 19:42.42 | kleanchap | Which window manager has good eye candy? |
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| 19:43.27 | nocturne7 | jelly-home: the distro does not matter in this case |
| 19:43.27 | dbelange_ | $ apt-cache search fart |
| 19:43.28 | dbelange_ | debian-history - A Short History of the Debian Project |
| 19:43.41 | jelly-home | nocturne7: it does affect the channel to ask help for. |
| 19:44.25 | nocturne7 | I could not get any responses from #archlinux |
| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | also, the configured kernel features can easily affect the behaviour of drivers |
| 19:44.36 | Artemis3 | did you try testdisk already? |
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| 19:44.54 | nocturne7 | Artemis3: what is that ? |
| 19:44.58 | jelly-home | nocturne7: use ##linux next time. If you can reproduce the issue in Debian, feel free to ask in here as well. |
| 19:45.15 | nocturne7 | jelly-home: I tried that channel as well |
| 19:45.17 | Artemis3 | testdisk can help you recover lost partitions or data |
| 19:45.38 | nocturne7 | Artemis3: I don't have anything precious on that windows partition |
| 19:45.46 | Artemis3 | your call |
| 19:46.20 | nocturne7 | I was just wondering if it go back to ntfs without any issues and let me boot into windows during OS selection menu without extra work |
| 19:46.49 | Artemis3 | if windows is already installed, grub usually sees it and adds the relevant entries |
| 19:47.02 | jelly-home | nocturne7: I don't see anything immediately wrong with that dmesg and ata-related lines. I won't comment on your issue in this channel further. Use ##linux please. |
| 19:47.02 | Artemis3 | so, yes. |
| 19:47.17 | nocturne7 | Artemis3: yes, it sees it |
| 19:48.59 | jelly-home | dbelange_: yes. Try to find that substring in "apt-cache show debian-history". |
| 19:49.24 | pizza_biz | dbelange_: the description has the word "farther" in it, hence the match. |
| 19:50.53 | nocturne7 | Artemis should I gdisk /dev/sdb in this case ? |
| 19:50.58 | jelly-home | Artemis3: use ##linux if you want to help nocturne7 further, this channel is for Debian users only. |
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| 19:52.14 | dondelelcaro | I just put them there; the imputation had finished, but I needed to run the analysis first |
| 19:52.18 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 19:52.27 | jelly-home | imputates dondelelcaro |
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| 19:58.46 | nocturne7 | Artemis3: are you there man |
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| 19:59.05 | jbrks | ok i hope this raid stuff works for me |
| 19:59.13 | jbrks | crosses fingers |
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| 19:59.54 | jbrks | mengesb, comeon man.. i need your feedback :) |
| 20:00.06 | jbrks | mengesb, help the community |
| 20:00.08 | jbrks | lol |
| 20:00.41 | kleanchap | Are there desktop gadgets like clocks, weather bug, twitter etc, for Debian? |
| 20:00.47 | jbrks | ahem |
| 20:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Compared to the gadgets available where? |
| 20:01.21 | jbrks | Anyone here knows why the f i'd be asked for amd64 kernel from 32-bit dvd1? |
| 20:01.29 | jbrks | dam |
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| 20:01.43 | kleanchap | On windows...I have seen some Linux distros too. |
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| 20:03.08 | jbrks | is 2.6.32-5-686 more experimental than 2.6-686 ? (looking at "install the base system") |
| 20:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Pretty much anything that runs on Linux will run on Debian. For desktops and gadgets it depends on which Desktop Environment you choose. Gnome is the default, a lot of people like KDE, Torvalds like xfce. They all have their own widgets and decorations, and some can be run in more than one environment. |
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| 20:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: If you have high-end graphics and CPU you can run efects like compiz and have JIGGLY WINDOWS!!! |
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| 20:06.58 | kleanchap | jhutchins_lt, I ran Knoppix (Debian variation) and it did have compiz. I guess I will install and explore in more detail. I did install lxde and xfce4 desktops. Gnome/KDE seem to be very bloated. |
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| 20:08.20 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Some people would say "richly featured", but yeah. |
| 20:09.03 | kleanchap | jhutchins_lt, I agree. |
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| 20:09.33 | kleanchap | Time to compile the wifi driver.... |
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| 20:11.49 | kleanchap | Is debian using SELinux or AppArmor? |
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| 20:11.59 | kleanchap | For the security Framework.... |
| 20:12.00 | abrotman | you can use sellinux |
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| 20:12.12 | niks | Hi I keep geting a "can't find cd" error while trying to install from usb sticl/card on my eeepc 701 |
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| 20:12.35 | EvilGenius | Hi, any help on this? http://paste2.org/p/1772166 |
| 20:12.41 | abrotman | niks: using unetbootin ? |
| 20:12.45 | niks | I did |
| 20:12.50 | abrotman | wrong way |
| 20:12.53 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:12.53 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 20:13.47 | niks | MY system can boot to the live distro and everthing works |
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| 20:14.02 | niks | I also tryd the command line version |
| 20:14.25 | niks | I get the error after filling in all the lang/loc keyboard etc questions |
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| 20:15.13 | jhutchins_lt | niks: You used the wrong image. You want the regular .iso file, possibly the netinst image. |
| 20:15.32 | abrotman | alos ... |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | !tell niks about eeepc |
| 20:15.45 | niks | but thats the one for the eeepc |
| 20:16.21 | niks | I had probs with the netinst |
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| 20:16.40 | niks | and the stanard has a video problem |
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| 20:17.03 | niks | what I don't get is live it's purfect |
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| 20:17.29 | abrotman | niks: so somehow .. you think the unetbootin works better? |
| 20:18.01 | niks | no but the command line has the same effect |
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| 20:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | !eeepc |
| 20:18.39 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:18.45 | niks | it's a problem with the install prog not finding the source |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | i already did that .. |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | niks: because unetbootin is *broken* |
| 20:19.25 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: So you did. |
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| 20:19.26 | niks | I asume abrotman is a bot here ??? |
| 20:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | niks: No, one of our senior and respected members. When he and I disagree, assume he's right. |
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| 20:20.10 | niks | well his not |
| 20:20.31 | niks | sorry but no one is trying to answer my question |
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| 20:21.04 | jhutchins_lt | niks: Did you try to install from the live (CD or whatever)? |
| 20:21.26 | niks | yes and via text mode |
| 20:21.42 | niks | i get the same error which ever way I turn |
| 20:22.38 | abrotman | niks: did you use the correct method in the installation manual? unetbootin will not work |
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| 20:23.08 | niks | I will repeat myself YES and both methods give the same error |
| 20:23.40 | niks | plus the live boot works fine |
| 20:23.42 | runa | The avahi magic works pretty errant on my computer. it works ok for a while, then it just stops working (I cannot resolve any of the .local machines, avahi-browse -a only shows my box) and I need to restart the avahi daemon so I see the other machines. any hints? |
| 20:23.43 | abrotman | niks: what are the *exact* steps you used from the instalaltion mnaual ? |
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| 20:26.20 | niks | # dd if=debian-*-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX # where sdX is the device your USB media is using |
| 20:26.35 | niks | but I changed the iso to the hybrid |
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| 20:28.15 | jmcantrell | i'm very new to debian, what's the best way to get the most up-to-date version of chromium installed? |
| 20:28.21 | DelTree | syslinux is better on USB imho... |
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| 20:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | DelTree: Better than what? |
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| 20:31.18 | DelTree | jhutchins_lt: than erasing everything with dd... ;p |
| 20:31.24 | danols_work | how can I find out what encoding I'm using when I putty in |
| 20:31.27 | makk | umm. can i get a 32 bit cd .iso link for debian . i expect i86 is the norm? |
| 20:31.35 | danols_work | I am putting in but my display is a little ucked |
| 20:32.53 | rawsted | abrotman: you about? |
| 20:32.54 | danols_work | my display is xterm how do I change it something more standard |
| 20:32.58 | danols_work | and what is more standard? |
| 20:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: xterm |
| 20:33.20 | danols_work | ohh k |
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| 20:33.27 | danols_work | so xterm is standard? |
| 20:34.11 | danols_work | for putty reasons |
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| 20:36.11 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: pterm |
| 20:36.24 | danols_work | k i'm confused |
| 20:36.31 | niks | thx anyway folks but I have moved to the correct chat room now |
| 20:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude search ~dterminal will give you several alternatives. |
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| 20:36.45 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | moin. |
| 20:36.47 | jhutchins_lt | !chromium |
| 20:36.48 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium-browser in squeeze, chromium in wheezy. http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
| 20:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | jmcantrell: I thought somebody else would answer you. |
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| 20:37.21 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | I want to install a program (handbrake) on a Debian machine that does not have internt access. But this machine (ubuntu has internet access). What are my options? |
| 20:37.43 | danols_work | for example eclipse terminal plugin has only following encoding optiosn: ISO-8859-1, US-ASCII, UTF-16, UTF-16BE, UTF-16LE, UTF-8 |
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| 20:38.06 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | is there a way to make a .deb file from ubuntu for debian? |
| 20:38.23 | jmcantrell | jhutchins_lt: how would i get the dev version and keep it up-to-date? |
| 20:38.43 | danols_work | so how do i make either debian term or eclipse to play nice |
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| 20:38.56 | danols_work | the display is corrupted partly |
| 20:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | gnome-terminal, konsole, pterm, xrvt |
| 20:39.16 | danols_work | jhutchins_lt: i don't understand |
| 20:39.19 | danols_work | please elaborate |
| 20:39.25 | dimir | MaryF\cknPop\ns: you again! |
| 20:39.26 | danols_work | i'm on widnows machine |
| 20:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | jmcantrell: I don't know, but possibly with git or cvn, and it wouldn't update automatically. |
| 20:39.41 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | dimir: hi. |
| 20:39.54 | kleanchap | How do you remove a package? |
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| 20:39.55 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: What is it you want to do? |
| 20:40.00 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | dimir: have we met before ? |
| 20:40.40 | dimir | MaryF\cknPop\ns: YO! |
| 20:40.51 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: How did you install it? |
| 20:40.57 | dimir | MaryF\cknPop\ns: ye, on #zabbix! |
| 20:40.59 | dimir | :-D |
| 20:40.59 | boudiccas | kleanchap; sudo apt-get remove foobar |
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| 20:41.03 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | oh yeah! |
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| 20:41.21 | kleanchap | jhutchins_lt, apt-get |
| 20:41.29 | kleanchap | boudiccas, Thnx |
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| 20:41.46 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Probably worth looking at the man page and seeing what else yo ucan do. |
| 20:41.46 | danols_work | jhutchins_lt: when I putty into my server or use the eclipse IDE terminal plugin the display are partily corupted, putty is much better... I assume it's something to do with encoding |
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| 20:41.50 | danols_work | that's all I know |
| 20:41.54 | danols_work | so I want to fix it |
| 20:42.04 | JonM_ | how do i install --> "Failed to connect to database: DBD::Pg not found, and cannot do psql yet" |
| 20:42.13 | JonM_ | its a perl module |
| 20:42.21 | JonM_ | for munin |
| 20:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: Well, that's down to putty and termcap. |
| 20:42.41 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: The terminal programs I was listing are for getting a console under X. |
| 20:42.41 | dimir | MaryF\cknPop\ns: there are rather hich chance your .deb package for Ubuntu will install on Debian just fine. |
| 20:42.47 | danols_work | jhutchins_lt: ok so can't I change the 'encoding' for the default terminal encoding ? |
| 20:42.51 | dimir | s/chance/chances/ |
| 20:42.55 | abrotman | rawsted: for about an hour maybe |
| 20:42.59 | danols_work | k |
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| 20:43.04 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: That's up to putty and windows. |
| 20:43.13 | JonM_ | libpg-perl wont cut it :( |
| 20:43.15 | makk | private chat me please for simple debian download question |
| 20:43.16 | rawsted | abrotman: dhcp pulls an autoconfigure 169.254 |
| 20:43.18 | danols_work | can you go into your console and type |
| 20:43.21 | danols_work | echo $TERM |
| 20:43.23 | danols_work | tell me what it reads |
| 20:43.28 | danols_work | I think my is setup wrong |
| 20:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: Wait, you can change the encoding that Linux sends to putty... I'm not sure how though. |
| 20:43.36 | arghx | danols_work: you can set putty to utf8. |
| 20:43.47 | danols_work | jhutchins_lt: yeah that's what I am trying to figure out |
| 20:43.49 | rawsted | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/CP38dSkV |
| 20:43.57 | danols_work | http://fruit.je/utf-8 think will help me |
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| 20:44.41 | kleanchap | I have this network icon at the top right that keeps spinning trying to connect to my wifi network. And then I have wicd too. It looks like 2 daemons are trying to connect to my wifi network. |
| 20:44.50 | abrotman | rawsted: that's not dhcp .. that's zeroconf IIRC |
| 20:45.00 | kleanchap | How can I turn one off? |
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| 20:45.16 | runa | any hints on why my avahi thingy stops working after a while? |
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| 20:45.27 | _pal_ | hi all |
| 20:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3218/ssh-and-character-encoding |
| 20:45.32 | rawsted | abrotman: it is, but interfaces tells wlan0 to dhcp, and that is what happens. eth0 dhcps just fine |
| 20:45.37 | makk | its hard to read the rolling blog, please query me, what to do now to burn netsttat image |
| 20:45.53 | abrotman | burn ? |
| 20:46.00 | arghx | makk: what is a netstat image? |
| 20:46.01 | makk | yes to cd |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | rawsted: and you want which one to work? or both ? |
| 20:46.06 | abrotman | !burn iso |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | hmm... burniso is "wodim foo.iso". See also <check iso image>. |
| 20:46.10 | makk | im in xp |
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| 20:46.11 | _pal_ | is there any way to specify two different monitors which are plugged into the same video card within xorg.conf? |
| 20:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | danols_work: http://www.cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-locale.html |
| 20:46.24 | arghx | makk: then download imgburn and use it to burn your CD |
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| 20:46.45 | makk | netinst |
| 20:46.52 | _pal_ | as long as Device is the same, I can't understand how to differ them |
| 20:46.55 | rawsted | abrotman: i'm looking for wlan0-only, but i was having the problem where (configured statically), it only worked when eth0 was also up/active |
| 20:47.01 | danols_work | k |
| 20:47.10 | rawsted | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/PD8b1fSu |
| 20:47.15 | arghx | makk: as I said: http://www.imgburn.com/ |
| 20:47.25 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Disable or remove either wicd or network-manager and whatever NM applet your desktop uses. |
| 20:48.07 | abrotman | rawsted: and if you don't bring up the eth0, you can't reach it ? |
| 20:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | !tell makk about ig |
| 20:48.40 | rawsted | abrotman: correct; configured statically. this is the result when attempting to DHCP (wlan0 zeroconfs) |
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| 20:49.10 | makk | ig? |
| 20:49.16 | zro | in kern.log the time stamp in the square brackets is seconds since boot, right? |
| 20:49.20 | makk | i am a newb" admit |
| 20:49.32 | kleanchap | jhutchins_lt, Thnx |
| 20:49.34 | abrotman | rawsted: and if you dhclient wlan0 now .. what happens ? |
| 20:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | makk: Look for a PM window from dpkg with information about the install guide. |
| 20:49.56 | makk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.07 | makk | i lost the cd i had already made |
| 20:50.09 | JonM_ | was installing the wrong f-ing module!!! needed "libdbd-pg-perl" |
| 20:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Personally I think NM works better and more often. wicd was sort of an interim tool when nm was having teething issues. |
| 20:50.26 | rawsted | abrotman: don't have dhclient |
| 20:50.37 | arghx | makk: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:50.46 | makk | sweet |
| 20:51.16 | arghx | makk: if you want to burn a full cd anyways you can get cd1 too: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso more stuff on it |
| 20:51.20 | rawsted | abrotman: which package contains dhclient? |
| 20:51.30 | arghx | rawsted: installed by default |
| 20:51.56 | rawsted | arghx: i'm a special case, using a minimal image for plug computers |
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| 20:52.04 | makk | okay i didnt know netinst was a .iso |
| 20:52.08 | danols_work | there is a 'skeleton' home directory that's used when you create new users |
| 20:52.11 | danols_work | where is it located? |
| 20:52.24 | kleanchap | jhutchins_lt, I am removing wicd now. It is conflicting with network-manager. |
| 20:52.35 | blink_ | anybody familiar with the nuances of xset? I am unable to configure my display to turn on and off as root using these commands from a remote shell |
| 20:52.44 | abrotman | rawsted: you already have it ... |
| 20:52.47 | abrotman | or should anyway |
| 20:53.01 | makk | hey since your listening any good links for a dual boot mint/ debian, anything i need to know at format. can i partition when intalling the second one if i leave the first one on taking the whole HD |
| 20:53.01 | rawsted | abrotman: mind a pm? |
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| 20:53.29 | abrotman | rather you keep it in here .. i may get called away |
| 20:53.36 | rawsted | n/w |
| 20:53.47 | abrotman | judd: file dhclient --release squeeze |
| 20:53.51 | judd | Search for dhclient in squeeze/i386: isc-dhcp-client: sbin/dhclient; bash-completion: etc/bash_completion.d/dhclient; logcheck-database: etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/dhclient; isc-dhcp-client-dbg: usr/lib/debug/sbin/dhclient; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_dhclient; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_dhclient |
| 20:53.55 | rawsted | abrotman: i don't have it. recall this is a minimal image for plug computers |
| 20:53.58 | abrotman | first hit |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | isc-dhcp-client package |
| 20:54.12 | rawsted | ok, thanks |
| 20:54.13 | danols_work | where is the new user skeleton home directory template located ? :) |
| 20:54.17 | makk | in mint the download folder does not list all the shit the download manager in the browser downloaded what??? |
| 20:54.33 | rawsted | abrotman: installing |
| 20:55.12 | blink_ | when I try `xset dpms force off` i get back this: xset: unable to open display "" |
| 20:55.27 | Owner_ | DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force off |
| 20:55.54 | blink_ | xset -q shows the same error, so does that command Owner_. |
| 20:56.09 | Owner_ | unable to open display "" ? |
| 20:56.13 | zro | blink_: xset also takes a -display flag |
| 20:56.32 | blink_ | yes Owner_. the X session is run via rc.local as a normal user, and this error shows up as root or as the user in question |
| 20:56.41 | blink_ | zro: tried that -display :0 |
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| 20:57.24 | Owner_ | mine says unknown option force |
| 20:57.54 | rawsted | abrotman: after hanging for a bit, returned me to prompt. wlan0 still zeroconf |
| 20:57.57 | Owner_ | xset -display localhost:0 ? |
| 20:58.58 | Owner_ | blink_, why are you starting X from rc.local |
| 20:59.39 | Owner_ | you can disble the DPMS from xorg.conf |
| 20:59.43 | blink_ | Owner_: because that's the application of this machine. |
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| 21:00.32 | blink_ | I want to turn the screen off at 6pm, turn it on at 8am. all it does is startx, which loads openbox, which loads iceweasel on a gant chart. that's all it does. it's only purpose is to show that webpage and refresh every 15 mins |
| 21:00.32 | Owner_ | blink_: http://www.doctort.org/adam/nerd-notes/disabling-screen-blanking-in-xorg.html |
| 21:00.47 | simonlnu | blink_: uh, you sure it's run as a user? unless you're su'ing that's gonna run as root.... |
| 21:01.07 | blink_ | I am su'ing, and yes, normal users can run X servers. |
| 21:01.07 | abrotman | rawsted: no output ? |
| 21:01.13 | rawsted | abrotman: no output. |
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| 21:01.36 | abrotman | weird |
| 21:01.43 | abrotman | rawsted: can you look for a verbose option ? |
| 21:01.49 | rawsted | abrotman: sec |
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| 21:01.56 | blink_ | Owner_: I'm trying to do it from the cli. I need to toggle it on and off via cron. |
| 21:02.15 | rawsted | abrotman: got it, executing |
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| 21:02.21 | Owner_ | oh that command is supposed to turn it off? |
| 21:02.25 | Owner_ | and there is one to turn it on? |
| 21:03.30 | blink_ | Owner_: yeah, I just need to stick 2 lines in cron, one to turn on the display on weekday mornings and another to turn it off at days end |
| 21:03.33 | simonlnu | blink_: not what i said, but anyway, i think you get it. |
| 21:03.41 | Owner_ | http://systembash.com/content/how-to-turn-off-your-monitor-via-command-line-in-ubuntu/ |
| 21:03.42 | rawsted | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/dzGNYidY |
| 21:03.44 | zro | blink_: I use it to turn monitor off and on, using the display as determined by the output of "w". |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | cries at links .. |
| 21:03.51 | blink_ | which brings me to this error. I am unable to evaluate what hostname or window it is |
| 21:04.05 | rawsted | abrotman: what should i use instead? |
| 21:04.27 | simonlnu | !comfort abrotman |
| 21:04.27 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:04.32 | danols_work | can you guys telnet/ssh into your servers and please tell me what you get when you do echo $TERM |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | rawsted: not your fault .. mine .. anyway .. can you try the wlan without wep or wpa ? |
| 21:04.42 | abrotman | danols_work: seriously? wtf |
| 21:04.47 | Owner_ | blink_, you get get that link i just sent |
| 21:04.53 | rawsted | sure, hang on |
| 21:04.55 | Owner_ | he uses chron too |
| 21:04.58 | simonlnu | danols_work: o_O |
| 21:05.02 | blink_ | zro: my user won't show up in w or who because of the way it's logged in via rc.local... |
| 21:05.05 | danols_work | abrotman: because for the fuck of me since day one I don't think my TERM is setup right |
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| 21:05.26 | abrotman | whose fault is that ? |
| 21:05.26 | danols_work | for example aptitude in putty has odd characters arround widnows |
| 21:05.42 | abrotman | danols_work: that's probably your locale .. |
| 21:05.51 | blink_ | Owner_: I have already read that before joining. I guess I just need to find out where and how the X server appears to the rest of the system, and xset -q not working.... |
| 21:05.54 | danols_work | abrotman: linode's fault |
| 21:06.02 | danols_work | abrotman: what's your locale |
| 21:06.05 | simonlnu | that's encoding and/or font |
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| 21:06.26 | dioz_ | you guys chat a lot |
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| 21:06.34 | Owner_ | blink_, check for the display number in an xorg log |
| 21:06.38 | rawsted | abrotman: looks like the same scenario |
| 21:06.47 | rawsted | using dhclient, anyway |
| 21:06.53 | piotr | is there a tool to convert changelog to debian changelog |
| 21:06.54 | piotr | ? |
| 21:07.29 | rawsted | yeah abrotman, same deal |
| 21:07.38 | Owner_ | blink_, try vbetool |
| 21:08.01 | blink_ | ohmygodididntcheckthelog |
| 21:08.05 | blink_ | smackshimself |
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| 21:08.28 | Owner_ | blink_, vbetool will talk directly to the monitor bypassing x |
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| 21:09.51 | simonlnu | dioz_: this is this channel on a not busy day ;p |
| 21:10.11 | Owner_ | dioz_, want to cyber? |
| 21:10.23 | simonlnu | Owner_: ... |
| 21:10.41 | blink_ | cant' see anything helpful in the log... |
| 21:11.10 | dioz_ | 4 minute delay |
| 21:11.45 | dioz_ | when people tell me the internet is slow i tend to agree with them |
| 21:11.50 | Owner_ | blink_, so it is display :0.0 ?? |
| 21:12.02 | Owner_ | blink_, apt-get install vbetool |
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| 21:13.07 | kleanchap | Where do I change my default editor to vi from nano or whatever? |
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| 21:13.29 | Owner_ | kleanchap, in your .bashrc or /etc/profile |
| 21:13.37 | pipeline | man update-alternatives |
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| 21:13.41 | Owner_ | EDITOR="ed" |
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| 21:14.00 | Owner_ | or update-alternatives i guess if you watn a debian specific way |
| 21:14.15 | Owner_ | just dont expect it to work on other linux systems |
| 21:14.23 | derric | Does anybody know a good place for OpenOffice Math tutorials? |
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| 21:15.23 | abrotman | danols_work: i have many .. |
| 21:15.31 | abrotman | rawsted: without wep/wpa ? |
| 21:15.39 | rawsted | abrotman: yep |
| 21:15.47 | danols_work | dpaste it |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | rawsted: are you 100% sure that wifi device is working |
| 21:16.29 | abrotman | danols_work: what is your locale? lang? font? |
| 21:16.39 | danols_work | hold it was POSIX |
| 21:16.46 | danols_work | so i'm going through this http://fruit.je/utf-8 |
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| 21:17.18 | rawsted | abrotman: it's worked in the past, but i have another device which i've experienced the same behavior with which i *know* works |
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| 21:17.43 | danols_work | where does one set the LANG= variable ? |
| 21:17.56 | danols_work | iin the .bashrc file is defacto? |
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| 21:19.29 | rawsted | abrotman: i'm off for the time being, thanks again for trying, i'll see what i can come up with between now and sunday night :P |
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| 21:19.52 | blink_ | Owner_: had some helpdesk to attend to... trying vbetool now, not sure what to do. there's a single vga display attached, so I think it would be simply :0 not :0.0 |
| 21:20.06 | danols_work | how do I check my locale, lang, font? |
| 21:20.18 | danols_work | i do not have X on this thing |
| 21:20.19 | Owner_ | vbetool dpms off |
| 21:20.20 | danols_work | it's a server |
| 21:20.33 | Owner_ | vbetool --help |
| 21:21.10 | nyuszika7h | Hi, how do I tell Debian to start a daemon on every reboot? |
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| 21:23.51 | blink_ | yep, doesn't do much |
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| 21:25.30 | blink_ | haha, really f'ed up, toggled vga state, now I have the vga adaptor's POST screen |
| 21:25.47 | blink_ | but I got the screen to turn on, so that's a plus |
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| 21:29.45 | blink_ | Owner_: I was able to toggle the screen on and off using vgastate |
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| 21:31.12 | jbrks | blink_, man that's F'ed! hahahaha |
| 21:32.40 | blink_ | heh, yeah... for the time being I'm just going to disable dpms completely and come back to this problem later with a fresh mind |
| 21:32.42 | jbrks | danols_work, i believe it's "dpkg-reconfigure locales" (or locale) (for encoding), and "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (for font size) |
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| 21:33.25 | blink_ | but good to know that you can cause a graphics adaptor to POST on demand.... I find it often clears the screen for the BIOS to quick to know how much GPU memory I have available |
| 21:33.59 | voltagex | The netinstaller images have a note that wireless cards are supported - is there a list somewhere? I have a ralink-based card and the installer detects no network devices |
| 21:34.03 | jbrks | danols_work, the default (not in xterm) here on squeeze is TERM=linux |
| 21:34.05 | danols_work | jbrks: ok |
| 21:34.08 | danols_work | crosses finger |
| 21:34.20 | Owner__ | blink_, did it work? |
| 21:34.28 | danols_work | ok i'm showing in the working one term=xterm |
| 21:34.29 | Owner__ | vbetool |
| 21:34.34 | danols_work | in the corrupted one term=ansi |
| 21:34.44 | danols_work | maybe it's the built in terminal client in eclipse ? |
| 21:34.44 | jbrks | danols_work, your bash defaults should be in /etc/profile << system wide that are not to be edited by you |
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| 21:35.17 | danols_work | jbrks: k |
| 21:35.19 | jbrks | or it should say in the manual what the default of TERM= is.. |
| 21:35.21 | blink_ | Owner__: sorry, you keep missing it. vbetool was able to toggle the screen on when it was in an off state, but when it did so, it was my VGA adapator's POST screen. then I rebooted and back to sq1 |
| 21:35.40 | babilen | voltagex: Which device do you have? |
| 21:35.40 | jbrks | danols_work, also if it's not bash your shell? then check that shell's manpage |
| 21:35.55 | jbrks | danols_work, that's fine |
| 21:36.05 | Owner__ | blink_, interesting i am confused |
| 21:36.08 | jbrks | danols_work, xterm is fine when you're working in a term box |
| 21:36.20 | jbrks | danols_work, that's the default for there |
| 21:36.21 | danols_work | that's what putty reports |
| 21:36.25 | danols_work | term=xterm |
| 21:36.42 | jbrks | danols_work, ya.. |
| 21:36.44 | voltagex | babilen: erm...some generic stick, rt2800 based |
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| 21:37.05 | jbrks | danols_work, i believe putty interprets xterm properly so it's fine |
| 21:37.13 | babilen | voltagex: USB? |
| 21:37.21 | voltagex | babilen: yeah |
| 21:37.23 | blink_ | Owner__: that makes all of us :) |
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| 21:37.33 | jbrks | danols_work, why.. you have an app showing crappily? |
| 21:38.01 | babilen | voltagex: Do you have a linux box around? If so, could you pop the stick in, run "lsusb" and give me its USBID? |
| 21:38.31 | babilen | !tell voltagex -about rt2800usb |
| 21:38.31 | danols_work | jbrks: it's corrupted for example aptitude |
| 21:38.42 | jbrks | danols_work, did you take a look at "Window/Translation" in the putty settings? |
| 21:39.00 | babilen | voltagex: I guess it is this one -- You need firmware for that to work though. Are you trying to connect to an encrypted network? |
| 21:39.11 | danols_work | putty works fine |
| 21:39.17 | danols_work | it's the Eclipse IDE built in client |
| 21:39.18 | jbrks | danols_work, you using utf-8? then select utf-8 in putty window/translation.. |
| 21:39.22 | babilen | !tell voltagex -about installer firmware |
| 21:39.27 | babilen | !tell voltagex -about firmware image |
| 21:39.31 | danols_work | https://join.me/187-981-997 |
| 21:39.31 | voltagex | babilen: yeah. I've also tried the firmware-enabled disk |
| 21:39.35 | danols_work | easier to explain |
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| 21:39.41 | danols_work | jbrks: come one over to my desktop |
| 21:40.17 | danols_work | err easier to show rather then explain |
| 21:40.24 | babilen | voltagex: And it is still not recognised? Well, all that being said: You can connect to open and WEP encrypted networks anyway. I would recommend to either use ethernet or install the base system and take it from there. Using CD1/DVD1 would also be an option. |
| 21:40.55 | piotr | hi, who generates the files file on a debian package? |
| 21:41.17 | voltagex | babilen: I go straight to Debian testing for this particular laptop - for some reason the jigdo-image didn't run tasksel correctly? I'll try a different CD1 - guess I was overcomplicating things |
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| 21:42.24 | jbrks | danols_work, so when you quit aptitude, you echo'ed LC_ ? .. because it said "POSIX" |
| 21:42.45 | danols_work | sorry that was another server I didn't setup yet |
| 21:42.54 | danols_work | if I putty to the same server |
| 21:43.00 | danols_work | echo $TERM will say xterm |
| 21:43.03 | danols_work | rather then ansi |
| 21:43.12 | danols_work | I think maybe it's the terminal client in the IDE that's at fault now |
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| 21:43.23 | jbrks | danols_work, did you check putty's settings? |
| 21:43.35 | danols_work | to see what encoding it is using? |
| 21:43.40 | jbrks | danols_work, ya |
| 21:43.47 | danols_work | good idea let me check |
| 21:43.49 | danols_work | where is it in putty |
| 21:44.00 | jbrks | load your profile, then click window/translation |
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| 21:44.17 | jbrks | no need to logon to anything.. |
| 21:44.34 | jbrks | you forgot to click the "load" button |
| 21:44.58 | jbrks | go to "translation" |
| 21:45.05 | jbrks | choose utf-8 |
| 21:45.05 | danols_work | ISO-8859-1 |
| 21:45.06 | danols_work | k |
| 21:45.10 | danols_work | let's do some magic |
| 21:45.11 | jbrks | then save. |
| 21:45.31 | jbrks | note there's also interesting options on that setting place that may help.. |
| 21:45.39 | danols_work | jbrks putty works ok |
| 21:45.46 | danols_work | it's the eclipse ide that is not working fine |
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| 21:46.09 | jbrks | danols_work, you're supposed to choose utf8 |
| 21:46.19 | danols_work | k but putty works fine |
| 21:46.32 | danols_work | i will do it though |
| 21:47.17 | danols_work | it's worse now! |
| 21:47.18 | danols_work | lol |
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| 21:47.43 | danols_work | see the quit confirmation window ? |
| 21:47.48 | jbrks | danols_work, choose "poor man's" drawing in the putty option |
| 21:48.04 | danols_work | jbrks: let's pause for a minute |
| 21:48.11 | danols_work | putty works just fine why are we trying to fix it? |
| 21:48.17 | jbrks | danols_work, it's putty. |
| 21:48.22 | danols_work | ? |
| 21:48.40 | danols_work | the one I am trying to fix is this program |
| 21:48.48 | danols_work | maybe it didn't screen cast |
| 21:48.50 | danols_work | watch |
| 21:49.06 | babilen | voltagex: Using the testing isntaller is not recommended. I would use the stable *installer* and I would even go so far to suggest to isntall squeeze first with it. |
| 21:49.34 | voltagex | babilen: and a dist-upgrade to testing later? |
| 21:49.38 | danols_work | see how garbeled that screen is |
| 21:50.04 | babilen | voltagex: Indeed -- you could also use the stable *installer* to install wheezy, but I wouldn't recommend that either. |
| 21:50.07 | jbrks | danols_work, what does echo $COLUMNS say ? maybe it could this variable |
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| 21:50.29 | jbrks | danols_work, but i would try poor man's drawings.. btw i have putty drawing aptitutde properly under ssh/bash |
| 21:50.37 | jbrks | (TERM=xterm) |
| 21:50.59 | voltagex | babilen: out of interest, it looks like d-i includes WPA support via http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/03/msg00684.html |
| 21:51.13 | jbrks | danols_work, you have a $LANG set? |
| 21:51.16 | danols_work | only diff that I can see is the the IDE Eclipse terminal has term = ansi |
| 21:51.30 | jbrks | danols_work, did you do those dpkg-reconfigure commands i told you? |
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| 21:51.35 | danols_work | no sorry |
| 21:51.39 | danols_work | got side tracked |
| 21:51.41 | jbrks | danols_work, just the locales one.. no need about the vga one |
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| 21:52.41 | jbrks | server disconnected me.. why why why? :( |
| 21:52.57 | danols_work | jbrks: my co-worker is uploading |
| 21:53.02 | danols_work | just click link again |
| 21:53.08 | K-J158 | Hi, i've got a dnsmasq server on a server. This server is used to give network informations by dhcp and dns relay |
| 21:53.20 | kleanchap | brb |
| 21:54.09 | K-J158 | this server is working on the lan, but when i ask this server remotely, it doesn't reply. i've used tcpdump, the dns request is received by the server |
| 21:54.10 | danols_work | which locale should I use ? |
| 21:54.34 | K-J158 | anyone have a idea about this point ? |
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| 22:01.15 | kleanchap | This was the fastest Debian install with a wifi setup! Approximately 3 hours. Most of it had to do with bios settings/resets etc. :-) Woo Hoo... |
| 22:01.56 | prgmrchr1s | kleanchap: sounds pretty slow |
| 22:01.59 | batouzo | kleanchap: I install debian (base sys) in ~10 minutes. ujely? |
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| 22:02.47 | dym | Hey - im trying to debug apt-dater, the update program for multiple hosts. it shows hosts as "unknown" although sudo works, same as ssh passwordless logins. any idea on how to find the errors? |
| 22:03.35 | kleanchap | Usually, I install Slackware in 20 minutes (i.e. full install). |
| 22:03.38 | sacredchao | I am trying to get kdm working after a package update, but X.Org seems to not be starting at all! |
| 22:03.59 | sacredchao | I can kill kdm and start it again, and nothing appears on vtty 7 or 8 |
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| 22:04.11 | kleanchap | I was have lots of headaches with Slackware and wifi setup. So I switched. |
| 22:05.10 | kleanchap | From my past experience, Debian has come a long way with easier install process! |
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| 22:13.40 | makk | just downloaded .iso netisnt, and umm. didnt configure network at installation., oh and umm.. big GUI problem what to run in command line to install GUI |
| 22:13.49 | makk | debain |
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| 22:14.27 | sacredchao | makk: What desktop environment would you like? |
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| 22:15.07 | makk | im a newb what do you recommend. im using a very simple old macintosh type enviroment on the other computer and its fine |
| 22:15.18 | makk | in debian |
| 22:16.15 | babilen | !tell makk -about sources.list |
| 22:16.16 | makk | i think im using GNU. ifthat makes sense |
| 22:16.22 | babilen | !tell makk -about install gnome |
| 22:16.38 | makk | will check it out, let you know how it goes |
| 22:16.49 | babilen | makk: Just ping if you run into problems |
| 22:17.00 | babilen | !tell makk -about install x |
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| 22:17.21 | babilen | makk: You want to install x before gnome and gdm3 though |
| 22:18.08 | makk | i have very little terminal knowledge what to type in? |
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| 22:21.51 | makk | am i cheating if i ask the prefix for app get |
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| 22:22.02 | makk | whatever all the shift numerics and spaces are |
| 22:22.26 | makk | i understand that may seem elementary . .. still Linux fan ,. despite my experience |
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| 22:23.14 | arghx | makk: and that's why I suggested to you to use CD1 instead of netinst earlier |
| 22:23.27 | arghx | makk: is your debian on the internet now? |
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| 22:27.49 | makk | good answer. i found my cd. my burner aint workin , good memory btw. my cd had a netinst. so i will aim at a bigger copy. i was gonna get gnome but the k on my keyboard wont type tasksel |
| 22:28.07 | makk | problem after problem LOL |
| 22:30.06 | makk | the debian computer im fixing is not online, |
| 22:30.13 | makk | i am on the other |
| 22:30.29 | makk | these computers are all jacked. good thing for linuxhe he |
| 22:30.46 | makk | BRB. thankx arghx |
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| 22:33.57 | chovy | is it possible to have an alias in ~/.ssh/config for a hostname? |
| 22:34.19 | sacredchao | I am trying to load any display manager I can, but none of them are working |
| 22:34.32 | sacredchao | ps aux shows them as running in the background, but X11 fails to start |
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| 22:34.51 | arghx | sacredchao: ctrl+alt+f8? |
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| 22:35.03 | somiaj | chovy: what do you mean by alias? Is it something that you set /etc/hosts as opposed to a fully qualified domain name? |
| 22:35.23 | somiaj | I thought default was to put it on f7 |
| 22:35.46 | arghx | not sure. you might be right |
| 22:36.07 | sacredchao | arghx: I tried it, but I found the error... I added an options line into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf to enable horizontal scrolling on my trackpad |
| 22:36.18 | sacredchao | but it's not parsing correctly |
| 22:37.02 | chovy | somiaj: I have Host: foo.bar in my config file. I just want to add an alias to that hostname like "foo" instead of "foo.bar" -- I know I can duplicate the entry, but I wondered if I can use multiple short hostnames. |
| 22:37.21 | chovy | ...for the same entry. |
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| 22:38.47 | somiaj | chovy: I don't know the ssh config that well, man ssh_config might give you more info. You could also just try it and test it out. (: |
| 22:38.54 | babilen | chovy: You can use "Host: foo\nHostName foo.bar\n..." |
| 22:39.37 | babilen | chovy: And read up on patterns |
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| 22:40.18 | babilen | chovy: Just list multiple hosts if you want to though (space seperated) |
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| 22:41.51 | chovy | babilen: I would like something like this: |
| 22:41.56 | chovy | Host: web01.dev web01 |
| 22:41.57 | babilen | !paste |
| 22:41.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 22:42.19 | babilen | chovy: yeah, that should work |
| 22:42.21 | chovy | Hostname: web01.dev.example.com |
| 22:42.24 | chovy | ok |
| 22:42.32 | FilipeMaia | What does A ?= B mean in a Makefile? |
| 22:42.49 | babilen | chovy: And while we are at it: Do you need multihop as well? |
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| 22:43.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | How do I find the folder that has fonts installed into it on my Squeeze? and how do I install new fonts into it |
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| 22:43.33 | chovy | babilen: what is multihop? |
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| 22:45.00 | babilen | chovy: Your local host is A and you want to connect to C via B (gateway/firewall/...) |
| 22:45.22 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts Have you read though that yet? |
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| 22:47.30 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: though you can install fonts by installing debian font packages, look up packages that start with ttf- |
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| 22:48.33 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: if you have a single user, you can just place fonts in $HOME/.fonts/ |
| 22:48.58 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok the first thing I need to locate on my computer's font manager to see what is presently available. |
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| 22:49.36 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fonts/ -- that has a list of all the prepackged fonts for debian, scroll down the the ttf fonts (most likley that is what you want) |
| 22:49.36 | pipeline | I have swap on an eencrypted LVM. I can suspend to disk just fine, but resume just goes directly to the normal bot process. What do I need to do to my initrd to fix this > |
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| 22:49.52 | StephenS | need help |
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| 22:52.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | somiaj, do I need to create a new directory for my fonts or is it already there, and I'm just not seeing it? |
| 22:53.44 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: if $HOME/.fonts doesn't exist, you need to create it, but by default you can just put fonts there as your user and not mess with your system fonts |
| 22:53.59 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: (which just means your user will see the fonts, but other users wont). |
| 22:54.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok well, it's single-user[not counting root] anyway |
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| 22:56.50 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok created it... if i install the packages... do i do it from terminal or manually, and if from terminal how do i direct it to go there? |
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| 23:01.08 | bet0C | Anyone has installed OpenLDAP in Debian? Any manual or document? |
| 23:01.09 | acetoline | why didn't anyone tell me nouveau's 3d drivers work perfectly on my system? |
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| 23:01.26 | arghx | acetoline: wheezy? |
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| 23:01.34 | acetoline | arghx: yes |
| 23:01.34 | babilen | acetoline: Why didn't you try them? |
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| 23:01.55 | acetoline | babilen: because of everyone saying they're experimental |
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| 23:02.04 | acetoline | and not to use them etc. |
| 23:02.09 | nwmcsween | why was multiarch triplets abadoned for gnu style triplets? |
| 23:02.34 | babilen | acetoline: yeah, but with nvidia partly broken in wheezy a lot of people try them and are positively surprised. |
| 23:02.48 | acetoline | broken is just the beginning |
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| 23:03.06 | gordonjcp | evening |
| 23:03.18 | babilen | acetoline: No really, you just need the version from sid. (also be aware of #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid support) |
| 23:03.27 | babilen | s/No/Not |
| 23:03.33 | acetoline | babilen: no way, never installing nvidia ever |
| 23:03.40 | acetoline | it's extremely slow |
| 23:03.55 | somiaj | acetoline: they actually got 3d support now...last I tried I got nice 2d support with linux 3.1, but no 3d. |
| 23:03.58 | acetoline | it's slow on every distro and gfx card combo I've tried |
| 23:04.26 | e_ | yzo |
| 23:04.30 | e_ | err sorry, ww |
| 23:04.42 | gordonjcp | in Debian Stable, Apache 2 seems to ignore the LANG setting and always run everything in its environment as if LANG=C |
| 23:04.42 | babilen | acetoline: Sure, enjoy! |
| 23:04.51 | gordonjcp | is this intentional behaviour? |
| 23:04.53 | danols_work | jbrks: thanks |
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| 23:04.55 | danols_work | bows for jbrks --- he assisted and presisted --- all hail the great jbrks fresher than double rainbow, and just epic --- export TERM=ibmpc works for now |
| 23:05.20 | babilen | huh? |
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| 23:05.41 | danols_work | i'm thanking him for his help |
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| 23:06.10 | acetoline | somiaj: yes through Gallium3D |
| 23:06.20 | gordonjcp | would #httpd be a better place to ask? |
| 23:06.39 | ash2501 | does anyone know a way to edit sudoers without visudo ?? |
| 23:07.07 | gordonjcp | ash2501: that's an astoundingly bad idea |
| 23:07.13 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok....do i install font packages via terminal? |
| 23:07.14 | somiaj | acetoline: thanks, I should look into that (though I really hope they RMA my nvidia card and send me one that doens't crash on any kernel/xorg/driver version (including nouveau) I've tried |
| 23:07.29 | ash2501 | i'm looking for a way to scripting it |
| 23:07.32 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: the font packages are installed like any package in debian, with aptitude |
| 23:07.43 | acetoline | somiaj: just install libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental |
| 23:07.50 | gordonjcp | ash2501: theoretically you can edit it with anything you like |
| 23:07.57 | acetoline | and of course libglx-alternatives-mesa so that opengl knows it has to go through mesa |
| 23:08.04 | gordonjcp | ash2501: it's just if you get it wrong, you may lock yourself out |
| 23:08.07 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok, then how do I know where they will be directed to? |
| 23:08.12 | babilen | ash2501: Sure, it is just a text file after all. Note that you'll have *no checks* whatsoever. And scripting that sounds like a really bad idea as well. What are you really trying to do? |
| 23:08.22 | Darkelfjuggalo | and how do I preview them before installing them? |
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| 23:08.46 | somiaj | ash2501: well if you add the +r bit to it you can modify it with anything, its just visudo is smart, it makes a copy of the file in /tmp, it then parses it for syntax errors before copying it back. I would suggest you script at least copy it to /tmp to edit, parsing it for syntax errors is good too. |
| 23:09.02 | somiaj | ash2501: sorry ment the +w bit. |
| 23:09.05 | ash2501 | it's not for production use, i need it to set a custom environnement with zsh, emacs, etc.. on many servers |
| 23:09.40 | babilen | ash2501: And something like puppet, cfengine or chef is not applicable? |
| 23:09.42 | ash2501 | seems editing with sed not morking |
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| 23:10.17 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you can't. But if you don't like them you can just uninstall/purge them afterwards |
| 23:10.42 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: though hd space is usually cheap/extra so you don't hurt yourself by having extra fonts (just make what ever application you are using have tons to search though) |
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| 23:11.57 | StephenS | I want to buy @ |
| 23:12.07 | StephenS | who is owner in here ? |
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| 23:19.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | i installed ttf-rufscript, and i lost the .fonts directory i just created, and IDK where the font saved to... |
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| 23:27.40 | simonlnu | Darkelfjuggalo: they go in /usr/share/fonts or such; dpkg -L packagename |
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| 23:30.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | im not finding /usr/share/fonts |
| 23:31.02 | jbrks | Darkelfjuggalo, can go in ~/.fonts, then you do fc-cache -fv ~/.fonts .. something like this |
| 23:31.17 | simonlnu | no need for the dir. |
| 23:31.39 | jbrks | simonlnu, true no need.. but it's nice to be organized.. |
| 23:32.05 | simonlnu | it'll scan all of it. check out the output ;) |
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| 23:32.46 | Darkelfjuggalo | ummm ok it says no such directory |
| 23:33.27 | simonlnu | so make it |
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| 23:34.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok i accidentally went into root terminal... i got it up now |
| 23:34.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | cache succeeded |
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| 23:35.26 | Darkelfjuggalo | but where do i go to actually see the fonts? the directory isn't visable in my folder lists |
| 23:36.49 | simonlnu | see how? view them? there's apps for that. |
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| 23:38.01 | aguitel | i installed xfce4 ,how remove gnome 3 ? |
| 23:38.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | i need to be able to preview them before i use them, none of the pre-installed programs that allow me to type have an option to change fonts |
| 23:39.56 | simonlnu | !search |
| 23:39.57 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>. |
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| 23:45.05 | Tenkawa | quick q hopefully... is there a dpkg-buildpackage flag I can easily pass to force a 32 bit build on an amd64 system? |
| 23:45.12 | Tenkawa | or do I need to use env vars |
| 23:45.53 | simonlnu | no, you'll need a cross-compiler (TMK anyway) |
| 23:46.14 | Tenkawa | simonlnu: ok... no biggie.. just wanted to make sure there wasnt a quick easy way |
| 23:46.16 | simonlnu | maybe things have changed with this multi-arch stuff, but it's not in squeeze anyway |
| 23:46.23 | Tenkawa | need to compile a 32 bit library for sqlite3 |
| 23:47.00 | simonlnu | you can't just go fetch an x86-32 version from the repo? |
| 23:47.10 | Tenkawa | doh... |
| 23:47.19 | Tenkawa | didnt even think about that] |
| 23:47.23 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 23:47.27 | simonlnu | :) |
| 23:47.30 | Tenkawa | thats a lot easier for now.. |
| 23:47.31 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 23:47.36 | simonlnu | np |
| 23:47.42 | Tenkawa | thanks again... bbl |
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| 23:50.11 | aguitel | i installed xfce4 ,how remove gnome 3 ? |
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| 23:52.57 | AR-Brad | How do I go to the directory os/linux? |
| 23:53.01 | AR-Brad | Or config.mk? |
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| 23:54.52 | Artemis3 | i would also love to know a method to install task-xfce-desktop and uninstall task-gnome-desktop unless there is something task-xfce-desktop needs |
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