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| 00:00.54 | somiaj | Artemis3: You could just trying to uinstall the gnome meta package and hope the other packages were all set as 'automatic install' and they whould then install with it (provided nothing else depends on them) |
| 00:01.09 | somiaj | Artemis3: you can eithe ruse tasksel again to install xfce or just aptitude |
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| 00:01.31 | Artemis3 | but using tasksel to untick gnome wont remove lots of packages installed by it |
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| 00:01.58 | rue_house | <rue_house> I'm trying to have a few programs start on startup I made a script and its not working, its in rc2.d |
| 00:01.58 | rue_house | <rue_house> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2011-11-11 15:45 S20boilercontrol -> ../init.d/boilercontrol |
| 00:01.58 | rue_house | <rue_house> http://ideone.com/plmWb no? |
| 00:02.31 | somiaj | Artemis3: no, so you just have to remove them. If tasksel installed a single meta package (and the rest were automatically installed to fill dependencies) you can just remove the gnome meta package |
| 00:02.45 | somiaj | Artemis3: if that doens't work you'll just have to remove the stuff you don't want manually |
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| 00:02.58 | Artemis3 | well i guess if they were not set im screwed and need to see what packages task-gnome-desktop installs to try removing them one by one... i just wish a more automatic method :S |
| 00:03.29 | somiaj | rue_house: you need to define not working, do you get any errors, does your script have proper LSB headder? does your script work just fine if you send it a 'start/stop/reload' command manually |
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| 00:03.40 | somiaj | Artemis3: that is located on the wiki and easy to find |
| 00:03.52 | rue_house | somiaj, the programs are not left running |
| 00:04.15 | somiaj | rue_house: but why? Look for errors, have your script spout out errors. Again make sure you script first runs by /etc/init.d/scriptname start |
| 00:04.23 | somiaj | if that doens't start your app, debug that first |
| 00:04.23 | rue_house | thats the script, there is no paramiter provision |
| 00:04.29 | rue_house | I get no errors |
| 00:04.40 | rue_house | if I run the script manually it works fine |
| 00:04.48 | somiaj | init.d scripts need to have paramaters, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton and /etc/init.d/README |
| 00:05.05 | rue_house | ugh |
| 00:05.10 | AR-Brad | ohai, somiaj |
| 00:05.24 | rue_house | did ya look at what I pasted? |
| 00:05.44 | rue_house | http://ideone.com/plmWb |
| 00:05.45 | somiaj | rue_house: if you just want to use local stuff (as opposd to wirting an init script, use /etc/rc.local |
| 00:06.01 | rue_house | this needs to be started on bootup |
| 00:06.11 | rue_house | the machine is being used as a control appliance for a boiler |
| 00:06.30 | rue_house | those 3 programs are the reasons for its existance |
| 00:06.39 | somiaj | well either follow the guidelines for a proper init script, or just use /etc/rc.local |
| 00:06.46 | chuck__ | Hello, I'm having a bit of an issue. So it was just a routine day, I've installed munin (to monitor a production server) - and I was just about to go to bed and Munin warned me about a disk space issue. In fact, disk space went from 20% to 100%, now I'm left with 'used: 100%' disk space on my root partition. ( http://pastebin.com/SpqtQxPC ) - now I've tried to clean some disk space up but it isn working. Can someone help me out? |
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| 00:06.56 | rue_house | rc.local requirses a user to log in tho? |
| 00:07.04 | themill | rue_house: no |
| 00:07.08 | rue_house | no? |
| 00:07.12 | rue_house | ? |
| 00:07.44 | rue_house | oh |
| 00:08.27 | themill | rue_house: does the init script even run at boot time? |
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| 00:08.45 | rue_house | I had no evidence if it did or didn't |
| 00:08.52 | themill | make it so... |
| 00:08.58 | rue_house | I just moved the 3 programs to rc.local |
| 00:09.03 | rue_house | waiting for rebboot |
| 00:09.05 | themill | (that echo should provide enough information) |
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| 00:09.27 | rue_house | that didn't work |
| 00:09.46 | rue_house | no the echo didn't run |
| 00:10.01 | themill | are you actually booting into runlevel 2? |
| 00:10.06 | rue_house | yes |
| 00:10.23 | rue_house | I'd like to add that the same commands didn't work in rc.local |
| 00:10.55 | themill | that means there's something wrong with the commands or with your entire boot sequence... rc.local should most definitely get run |
| 00:11.31 | rue_house | http://ideone.com/1zMVQ |
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| 00:11.56 | somiaj | chuck__: you may have to boot up off a livecd (So what ever is filling up your disk can be found and not run) -- then you'll have to parse though your filesystem and find out what is eating up your space |
| 00:11.56 | pushpop | whas the command to find out if Im running 32 bit or 64 bit |
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| 00:12.14 | themill | pushpop: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 00:12.31 | K-J158 | anyone knows the default password for keystore in java-6-sun-1.6.0.26 ? |
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| 00:13.34 | chuck__ | somiaj, it's now restarting into the recovery mode. :) |
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| 00:14.00 | somiaj | chuck__: once you figure out what is taking up the space you can track down the culprit. |
| 00:14.09 | pushpop | themill thx |
| 00:15.20 | chuck__ | somiaj, alright. Thanks :) |
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| 00:23.49 | chuck__ | somiaj, this is rather weird. I've mounted the root partition as /mnt/root, and this is what 'df' on the livecd says: /dev/sda1 20G 1.7G 17G 9% /mnt/root |
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| 00:26.14 | bitcycle | Hey all. I've got LMDE running with openbox + xfce4 + tint2, but I'm running into problems with keyboard repeat settings. I set them using xfce4-keyboard-settings, but the settings aren't working correctly. :( Any ideas? |
| 00:27.05 | babilen | !lmde |
| 00:27.06 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 00:27.30 | babilen | bitcycle: Please ask them and good luck |
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| 00:30.12 | Squidy | hello.. I'm trying to install ubuntu server 10.04 using preseed methods.. however, when the installer is installing the base system.. it stops with an error message about kernel override 'linux-server' not present... Do you know how to fix that? |
| 00:31.49 | themill | Squidy: #ubuntu-server might |
| 00:31.52 | babilen | Squidy: No, we could help you with Debian though. If you want to use Ubuntu you should ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server though |
| 00:32.22 | Squidy | ok guys.. :)] |
| 00:32.47 | chuck__ | Does anyone know how, at one point the root partition can be filled (no disk space left) - and after a reboot (I really started the recovery system first, now, it's rebooted from the harddisk again) - it only uses 9% disk space? |
| 00:32.50 | Squidy | thx |
| 00:35.37 | babilen | chuck__: Are you trying to achieve that or do you wonder how that happened? |
| 00:35.49 | jhutchins_lt | chuck__: Isn't that fun? Let us know if you figure out what did it. |
| 00:36.01 | jhutchins_lt | chuck__: I think that's happened to me once or twice. |
| 00:36.24 | chuck__ | babilen, I'm wondering how. It's weird since, /tmp for example wasn't full at all. |
| 00:36.33 | chuck__ | jhutchins_lt, do you know how that happend? |
| 00:36.38 | babilen | Ok, that would have been my first idea |
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| 00:37.37 | belak | Does gnome 2 or 3 ship with debian? |
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| 00:38.23 | aguitel | i installed xfce4 ,how remove gnome 3 ? |
| 00:38.24 | babilen | belak: Squeeze (stable) has Gnome2 and Wheezy (testing) Gnome3.? |
| 00:39.04 | makk_ | gui utility for managing hardware |
| 00:39.06 | babilen | aguitel: "aptitude purge gnome gnome-shell" would be a start. Are you sure you want to remove it completely? |
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| 00:39.40 | belak | Any idea when wheezy will officially release? |
| 00:39.43 | aguitel | babilen, i installed xfce4 |
| 00:39.46 | jbrks | anyone have experience with ispconfig? (wondering if it's good with debian) |
| 00:39.58 | babilen | belak: No |
| 00:40.01 | rypervenche | belak: Not for a long time. |
| 00:40.11 | rypervenche | belak: Use it now if you want to use it. |
| 00:40.18 | babilen | aguitel: So? You don't have to remove Gnome3, but do it if that is your wish. |
| 00:40.21 | belak | Ok, thanks |
| 00:40.33 | belak | Just want to make sure gnome 3 isn't going to be dumped on me for a while |
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| 00:40.54 | babilen | belak: Have you tried it for some days? |
| 00:40.56 | makk_ | command to launch gnome? |
| 00:41.00 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
| 00:41.08 | chuck__ | jbrks, Yes. I've been running ISPConfig with debian for a while now. I would recommend it. :) |
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| 00:42.40 | belak | babilen: I can't get used to its multiscreen support... or lack there of |
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| 00:43.41 | babilen | belak: Hmm, I haven't played with that yet. Not that I am using it, but I really liked it so far and don't really understand all the hate. But well :) (The parts of 3.2 that are in sid that is) |
| 00:43.45 | jbrks | chuck__, how would ispconfig change apache configurations? because i dont see a .deb anywhere |
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| 00:44.08 | babilen | !tell belak -about gnome3 |
| 00:44.47 | dwfreed | waves to belak |
| 00:44.57 | chuck__ | jbrks, ISPConfig runs a cron script (every minute I believe) that'll trigger various scripts - and so on generate config files like apache vhosts, etc. - What deb are you seeking? |
| 00:45.50 | jbrks | chuck__, does the tarball come bundled with debian intended scripts? |
| 00:46.02 | jbrks | (like -*debian-.sh ?) |
| 00:47.53 | jbrks | chuck__, looks good and worth me to check it.. i see _Debian_ named setup files in the tarball |
| 00:47.55 | jbrks | :) |
| 00:47.57 | chuck__ | jbrks, what intended scripts are you reffering to? Have you installed ISPConfig once? |
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| 00:48.24 | chuck__ | jbrks, I would advice you follow Falko Timme's howtoforge on how to setup ISPConfig with Debian, it's worth gold !:) |
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| 00:55.01 | pablo | hi, which is the correct way for asking for a package update? opening a bug? contacting maintainers? |
| 00:56.30 | pablo | it is not packaged for sid, and there is a new release |
| 00:56.51 | babilen | pablo: You can file a wishlist bug against the package |
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| 01:01.47 | JAVAddicted_ | a very quick question folks |
| 01:02.11 | JAVAddicted_ | does anyone know how to execute a ".run" file in a machine not running X ? |
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| 01:02.46 | spersaud | my router runs a local dns |
| 01:02.50 | chuck__ | from the command line: chmod +x file.run # then: ./file.run |
| 01:02.59 | chuck__ | JAVAddicted_, that was ment for you. |
| 01:03.02 | spersaud | its a Belkin .. how do I set that domain, I dont want to re run installation |
| 01:03.16 | JAVAddicted_ | thx chuck, trying it... |
| 01:03.31 | JAVAddicted_ | works! thx dude! |
| 01:03.58 | babilen | JAVAddicted_: What are you installing? |
| 01:04.01 | chuck__ | np |
| 01:04.08 | jbrks | anyone knows a good source for autosleeping ? (i have a miniitx box i'd like to keep on 24/7 as a server) |
| 01:04.10 | JAVAddicted_ | Sencha-SDK-tools |
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| 01:04.46 | chuck__ | jhutchins_lt, babilen I don't know exactly what happend - but it happend quite rapidly, here's a rrd-graph: http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads4/4ebdc5f9b4fc4/4ebdc5f9b346a-sda-day.png |
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| 01:15.05 | jbrks | can someone tell me if /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm is deprecated? i'm following this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| 01:15.22 | jbrks | (if there's something better then modprobe rtc-cmos ?) |
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| 01:19.57 | nsadmin | , versions autoconf |
| 01:19.58 | judd | Package: autoconf on i386 -- lenny: 2.61-8; lenny-backports: 2.65-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.67-2; sid: 2.68-1; wheezy: 2.68-1 |
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| 01:25.50 | jbrks | anyone knows if there's a better package than "hibernate" ? (miniitx server) |
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| 01:28.51 | babilen | jbrks: pm-utils |
| 01:29.33 | babilen | jbrks: If you are looking for other hibernation/suspend software. I don't think that the packaging quality differs though ;) |
| 01:30.00 | jbrks | cool i'll check it out :) |
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| 01:30.31 | Albega | Please don't forget to support KDE, It needs our help. |----> http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/ |
| 01:30.54 | makk_ | how do i run desktop program (x)/ (dont have gui after netinst.iso cd , chose to setup network manually and command line only now. |
| 01:31.20 | makk_ | not related$$ |
| 01:31.37 | makk_ | its a laptop |
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| 01:33.14 | nsadmin | , file shtool |
| 01:33.17 | judd | Search for shtool in squeeze/i386: shtool: usr/bin/shtool; php5-dev: usr/lib/php5/build/shtool |
| 01:33.44 | babilen | Albega: Please don't do that in here. |
| 01:34.58 | sacredchao | I have a 1600x900 LCD panel but when my display manager boots, it usually automatically goes to 1024x768, and after logging into the desktop I have to change the resolution back to my native LCD res |
| 01:34.59 | Albega | Why don't support a free software project? |
| 01:35.03 | sacredchao | Can I automate forcing it at 1600x900? |
| 01:35.35 | babilen | Albega: Do not post random links into this channel. |
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| 01:36.05 | jbrks | would anyone happen to know if modprobe rtc-cmos, is being deprecated for something else? by default this module isn't loaded on my system.. however i can see things with cat /proc/driver/rtc (I'm guessing rtc-cmos is used for wakup scripts that use a "write"-method to do a wakeup-- an alarm << which is a good thing to rewrite in cmos?.. thoughts? |
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| 01:36.34 | Albega | That's your explanation??? It's a link to support a free project |
| 01:36.37 | Albega | Are you kidding? |
| 01:36.40 | Albega | O_o |
| 01:36.59 | boudiccas | Albega; for your own sake, drop it please |
| 01:37.17 | jbrks | sacredchao, you can try to script with xrandr for your xsession login.. (~/.xsession i believe) |
| 01:37.36 | makk_ | links for why GUI doesnt load after install.? |
| 01:37.49 | makk_ | squeeze |
| 01:37.55 | jbrks | sacredchao, there's a way to force X to be at a certain res on the startup screen.. but it's pita.. you'll have to play around with xorg.conf |
| 01:38.32 | Albega | boudiccas, what are you talking about??? |
| 01:38.34 | babilen | Albega: It has nothing to do with supporting a free software project or not, but it is not appreciated if you paste links to random blogs/websites in here. Now, lets drop it and move on. |
| 01:39.03 | chuck__ | Thanks for the help guys, I'm going to catch up on some sleep now. Take care :) |
| 01:39.24 | Albega | A kde blog, maybe you want me to put the link in german |
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| 01:40.06 | babilen | Albega: Drop it -- /msg me if you have to |
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| 01:40.13 | jbrks | Albega, the only thing i like from germany is their kolab ;) |
| 01:40.25 | jbrks | (kolab is free and looks good) |
| 01:40.47 | jbrks | (apt-cache show kolabg!) |
| 01:41.03 | jbrks | that reminds me i have to setup sogo |
| 01:41.49 | babilen | makk_: Have you installed a desktop environment during the installation? Is it trying to start but fails? Could you provide more information please? |
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| 01:44.43 | jbrks | babilen, i'm readinthe readme.debian in usr/share/doc and it says about one method in use that may be deprecated once "suspend2" becomes available.. would you happen to know if suspend2 is available? |
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| 01:45.11 | nsadmin | , file suspend2 |
| 01:45.14 | judd | Search for suspend2 in squeeze/i386: hibernate: usr/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d/suspend2 |
| 01:45.27 | jbrks | it's a method.. i don't know the details what suspend2 is allabout |
| 01:45.57 | jbrks | (actually i'm looking at the hibernate package i originally was trying) |
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| 01:47.18 | jbrks | suspend2 is kernel patches.. |
| 01:47.31 | jbrks | must be a pita for me to try to do patches atm |
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| 01:56.33 | jbrks | f |
| 01:57.09 | jbrks | dammit i setup a raid today and it says nothing about suspending with raid.. guess i'm gonna hafta find out the hardway :) |
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| 01:58.02 | Albega | Please don't forget to support KDE, It needs our help. |----> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491 |
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| 01:58.23 | boudiccas | Albega; you're risking a kick/ban |
| 01:58.58 | jbrks | man.. that's spamming already.. ban that guy |
| 01:59.21 | Albega | Please don't forget to support KDE, It needs our help. |----> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491 and GOOD NIGHT! |
| 01:59.26 | jbrks | -_- |
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| 02:02.37 | jbrks | i'm reading this doc.. anyone happens to know if I can use /dev/md# for power resuming? |
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| 02:03.17 | makk_ | babilyn... my friend said i should have seen install desktop enviroment at install ,. i dont remember that |
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| 02:04.19 | jbrks | hehe.. doc isn't updated.. the dam thing is in the conf already UUID :)))) |
| 02:04.58 | jbrks | makk_, pff desktop? lol.. been working with da lynx text browser hehehhe |
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| 02:09.22 | Mr_Brown | I;m try to compile the moudule with-http_perl_module for nginx but I get this /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl any idea? |
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| 02:27.09 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:27.23 | lenswipe | how do i get tomahawk on debian |
| 02:28.41 | jbrks | tomahawk? what's that like a tomcat kitty kitten? |
| 02:28.47 | lenswipe | tomahawk |
| 02:28.50 | lenswipe | its a media player |
| 02:28.52 | jbrks | wtf is that? |
| 02:28.52 | lenswipe | jfgi :) |
| 02:28.54 | jbrks | oh media player |
| 02:29.29 | jbrks | thought it may have been a tomcat server variant mwhahaah |
| 02:30.11 | jbrks | is wondering wtf his new debian raid isn't crashing |
| 02:30.14 | jbrks | wtf? |
| 02:30.23 | jbrks | too stable.. something is wrong |
| 02:30.44 | jbrks | hibernate worked flawlessly.. didnt have to do anything |
| 02:31.25 | un214 | wiggle a wire loose and enjoy your crashes jbrks |
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| 02:37.03 | jbrks | lenswipe, i don't see it anywhere not even in wnpp |
| 02:37.23 | jbrks | lenswipe, but there's sources for it.. perhaps you can file a bugreport to have an adopter for it |
| 02:38.26 | lenswipe | maybe |
| 02:38.32 | lenswipe | to be honest its a pita |
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| 02:39.32 | jbrks | lenswipe, then reportbug it to have an adopter |
| 02:40.36 | lenswipe | no i mean i installed the windows binary to my winshit box |
| 02:40.38 | lenswipe | its a pita to work |
| 02:40.48 | jbrks | lenswipe, what do i care? |
| 02:40.55 | jbrks | lenswipe, thats windows.. |
| 02:41.04 | lenswipe | i mean the app is a pain in the ass |
| 02:41.07 | lenswipe | the UI is terrible |
| 02:41.12 | lenswipe | it looks nice but its hard to navigate |
| 02:41.16 | lenswipe | its not windows its the app |
| 02:41.22 | jbrks | lenswipe, then um.. you trolling me? wtf you want kid? |
| 02:41.38 | WormFood | smells a troll |
| 02:41.54 | lenswipe | im not trolling you, i was asking about tomohawk, i downloaded it to windows and tried it and now ive found out that its crap so i dont need anything anymore |
| 02:41.57 | lenswipe | thanks though :) |
| 02:42.09 | jbrks | ignores lenswipe |
| 02:42.25 | lenswipe | jbrks, let me clarify having tested it on windows im not going to bother to get the debian binary |
| 02:43.23 | WormFood | was it a windows app that was ported to Linux, or was it a Linux app that was ported to Winblows? If it is the latter, it is possible that the Linux interface may be better...but probably not. |
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| 02:44.42 | lenswipe | WormFood, i think its just an app that has windows and linux binaries out |
| 02:44.56 | lenswipe | i was going to go the effort of compiling my own binary but having tried the windows binary im not going to bother |
| 02:45.00 | lenswipe | ill just stick with VLC |
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| 02:58.32 | dwfreed | , versions isc-dhcp-client |
| 02:58.33 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-client on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; wheezy: 4.1.1-P1-17; sid: 4.2.2-1 |
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| 03:09.24 | jbrks | babilen, you there? |
| 03:09.41 | melik | hey guys; i'm trying to enable motd; i have checked /etc/ssh/sshd_config, /etc/login.defs, /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/pam.d/* |
| 03:09.53 | melik | but i am not able to find anything; any suggestions where to look |
| 03:10.01 | melik | i do see the lastlogin output |
| 03:10.35 | jbrks | apropos motd |
| 03:10.41 | babilen | !tell melik -about motd |
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| 03:14.15 | jbrks | babilen, i'm finally taking a look at pm-utils.. i'm seeing to check my "sleep" module.. which module are they talking aboot? |
| 03:14.26 | jbrks | ,about heheheh |
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| 03:14.32 | un214 | incidentally, running the bug query for bugs tagged patch is not really a good idea |
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| 03:17.55 | jbrks | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 03:18.06 | jbrks | aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhaa |
| 03:18.28 | jbrks | eyes getting sore |
| 03:18.39 | jbrks | must rtfm!!! |
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| 03:19.18 | babilen | jbrks: relax |
| 03:19.22 | melik | babilen, yes i've done it all :/ |
| 03:19.36 | melik | i have servers which have the exact same configuration |
| 03:19.47 | melik | and they all output motd, except this one |
| 03:20.25 | adlk | can anyone tell me why the hostname on a debian box whould change, can it be set by dhcp? |
| 03:20.53 | jbrks | babilen, the hibernate scripts i wanted to look at-- their site is down.. so i'm checking out pm-utils.. thanks |
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| 03:24.11 | karlpinc | melik: tar up everything you might think relevant move it to your "exact same" system and diff -ruN, Wouldn't hurt to diff the ls -lh output either. |
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| 03:27.00 | lotus-blade | how do I get gnome to allow iceweasel to be the default web browser? |
| 03:27.57 | debsan | lotus-blade, gnome-shell ? |
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| 03:28.24 | lotus-blade | I think that is what it is |
| 03:28.31 | lotus-blade | gnome 3 |
| 03:29.05 | lotus-blade | no desktop 2.3 |
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| 03:29.26 | lotus-blade | 2.30.2 that is |
| 03:29.48 | debsan | ok system -> preferencies -> prefered applications |
| 03:29.56 | debsan | lotus-blade, something like that ^ |
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| 03:32.17 | lotus-blade | nope, nothing like that |
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| 03:33.21 | lotus-blade | gnome 3.0.2 in lower form |
| 03:33.23 | simonlnu | !test |
| 03:33.24 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 03:34.14 | lotus-blade | have it set in system settings, but it is still loading galion |
| 03:34.34 | lotus-blade | sorry epiphany |
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| 03:35.24 | lotus-blade | really anoying that I can not click on a link and have it work right because it goes to epiphany |
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| 03:37.43 | adlk | you mean you click on a link in iceweasel and it launches epiphany? |
| 03:37.45 | babilen | lotus-blade: update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser |
| 03:38.28 | babilen | lotus-blade: But setting it as preferred application should work. |
| 03:39.13 | mns | I have ~/.xmodmparc which is called from my ~/.xsession. The xmodmaprc swaps Ctrl and CapsLock. If I login via console and use startx, it works fine. If I login via xdm (or lightdm), the xmodmaprc does get processed (I see it in the ~/.xsession-errors file) but CapsLock and Ctrl are not swapped. Any ideas ? |
| 03:39.26 | mns | I am using Debian/Wheezy |
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| 03:40.54 | lotus-blade | well that hasn't worked yet, but I need to reboot |
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| 03:46.01 | qubits | how do I mount mount my fakeraid raid0 volume without clicking it in kde under places? |
| 03:46.15 | simonlnu | mns: use .Xresources maybe instead.. |
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| 03:47.12 | simonlnu | or setxkbmap |
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| 03:49.57 | jbrks | qubits, how do you mount mount? huh? |
| 03:50.21 | qubits | fakeraid volumes |
| 03:50.25 | qubits | without kde |
| 03:50.33 | jbrks | look into mdadm |
| 03:51.16 | jbrks | btw raid0 is not fault tolerant |
| 03:52.45 | mns | simonlnu: .Xresources is not for modifying keymaps. I'll look into setxkbmap. I am trying to figure out why my xmodmap command gets processed if I use startx and not if I use XDM. |
| 03:53.11 | jbrks | babilen, hey you know i couldn't resume my suspend.. had to cold boot and now i see md0 is rebuilding lol.. i need to get this right... |
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| 03:53.50 | jbrks | babilen, however i'm trying to read anything to help.. and i see no uswsusp in squeeze as defined http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 03:53.55 | jbrks | :( |
| 03:53.59 | simonlnu | mns: made a mistake talkig about Xresources, sorry |
| 03:54.08 | simonlnu | i confused myself ;p |
| 03:54.25 | jsoft_ | Sup team |
| 03:54.50 | mns | simonlnu: no probs |
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| 04:00.30 | babilen | jbrks: uswsusp has been removed from squeeze (lots of bugs) -- /msg dpkg uswsusp |
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| 04:04.44 | jbrks | I guess the best thing is to look forward for the suspend2 kernel patch which is currently being worked on |
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| 04:20.40 | somiaj | hmm, hope that allows me to actually suspend my laptop... |
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| 04:23.17 | jbrks | babilen, you using sid? there's 1.41 of pm-utiils |
| 04:24.10 | jbrks | i mean there's pm-utils 1.41 homepage, wondering if anyone can check if pm-utils is in sid or backports |
| 04:24.51 | somiaj | jbrks: packages.debian.org -- you can check to see what versions on in which debian version |
| 04:25.55 | jbrks | somiaj, this build on squeeze has no scripts in /etc/sleep.d, /etc/<>.d .. |
| 04:26.01 | jbrks | somiaj, but aplenty in 1.41 |
| 04:26.08 | jbrks | (1.41 tar) |
| 04:26.43 | somiaj | jbrks: dpkg -L <pkg name> -- it will list where it put the scripts |
| 04:26.55 | jbrks | somiaj, there are none |
| 04:27.29 | somiaj | jbrks: you don't have anything in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ ? |
| 04:27.31 | jbrks | somiaj, actually man.. thanks.. dunno why the F documentation is not reflective on this |
| 04:27.51 | jbrks | somiaj, those entries in /etc should be symlinks |
| 04:27.54 | somiaj | jbrks: check /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> usually contains useful info regarding debian stuff |
| 04:27.59 | jbrks | ya |
| 04:28.00 | jbrks | of course |
| 04:28.04 | jbrks | thats the firstr thing i read.. |
| 04:28.04 | somiaj | jbrks: I'm sure they aren't links for a reason |
| 04:28.16 | jbrks | somiaj, pff.. outdated documentation.. |
| 04:28.54 | jbrks | somiaj, nways i cant experiment more than once or twice.. i failed to resume and my raid1 member disk is rebuilding.. |
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| 04:30.24 | somiaj | jbrks: by the way, /usr/share/doc/pm-utils/README.distributions explains where things are put by default. |
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| 04:30.58 | jbrks | true.. but it doesnt say they have scripts in them |
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| 04:31.47 | jbrks | i think i'm just going to create symlinks from etc |
| 04:32.00 | jbrks | they're bloody empty anyways |
| 04:33.01 | somiaj | jbrks: you don't need the links, they will run from the scripts in /usr/lib/pm-utils along with any custom scripts you put in /etc/pm |
| 04:35.28 | jbrks | somiaj, i can put custom scripts in "/etc/pm" ? thought it was /etc/pm/<> |
| 04:35.51 | somiaj | jbrks: correct, (: |
| 04:36.31 | somiaj | though I cna't be of much more help than that, I gave up when my wirless card kept crashign my resumes |
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| 04:40.07 | jbrks | somiaj, there's a verbosity logging option.. this is what i'm trying to find.. how to turn on a verbosity log |
| 04:40.33 | jbrks | i'm guessing the main config is /usr/lib/pkgconfig/pm-utils.pc |
| 04:41.23 | somiaj | that looks like a pkgconfig file, I would be surprised if that is the actual config file |
| 04:41.43 | jbrks | there's also defaults in /usr/lib/pm-utils |
| 04:42.03 | jbrks | found it, it's in defaults.. |
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| 04:43.19 | somiaj | jbrks: though the file teslls you not to edit it...:D |
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| 04:43.33 | jbrks | somiaj, i believe i probably place a defaults in /etc/pm |
| 04:43.42 | jbrks | or something.. |
| 04:43.58 | jbrks | gosh i hate saying tat.. |
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| 04:44.05 | somiaj | yea just read the top of the file you mentioned, it uses /etc/pm/config.d/ files |
| 04:45.46 | gnuyoga | what is the best way to replicate a linux instance ? dd or partimage ? |
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| 04:46.31 | somiaj | gnuyoga: I'd suggest rsync from a live system (in which the root file system and others aren't mounted) |
| 04:46.55 | somiaj | gnuyoga: imaging the drive you may have to resize/modify file systemsize afterwards if you are putting on a different size disc |
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| 04:47.35 | gnuyoga | somiaj: perfecto, how about restoring partition table ? |
| 04:48.17 | somiaj | gnuyoga: with rsync, you just create a new partition table, file systems on the new drive and copy things over. Its what I prefer I find it simpler than messing with images and resizing things afterwards. |
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| 04:48.54 | jbrks | i believe it's , rsync -av /source /target |
| 04:48.56 | gnuyoga | somiaj: the challegne i need this automated, hence curious |
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| 04:49.20 | gnuyoga | jbrks: u would perhaps require -x to ensure it wont cross file system boundaries |
| 04:49.52 | jbrks | gnuyoga, why are you correcting me? you're asking ..lol |
| 04:49.58 | somiaj | gnuyoga: yea I was going to say if you need to make multiple copies on identical hardware, you may find imaging the whole file system (instead of copying the data) more efficent, in that case use your faviorte tool |
| 04:50.39 | somiaj | gnuyoga: personally I wouldn't use rsync in the system in which / is mounted. Hence using a live system or another computer to do the copying (this way you don't have to worry about tmpfs and other mounted things) |
| 04:50.42 | jbrks | ,/source and /target here are directory paths (not device paths) |
| 04:51.05 | gnuyoga | somiaj: :) the challenge using dd is marking badblocks ;( |
| 04:51.06 | jbrks | -av is the simplest options.. |
| 04:51.16 | gnuyoga | cool |
| 04:51.17 | jbrks | it's from left to right only |
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| 04:51.27 | jbrks | and doesn't do from right-to-left.. |
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| 04:51.35 | somiaj | jbrks: yes that is what I would do, but depending on how gnuyoga decides to go about it, other options may be useful |
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| 04:51.55 | jbrks | (to do right-to-left you have to specify more options... btw -v means verbose so you can see what file is being worked on) |
| 04:52.18 | somiaj | gnuyoga: I don't know imaging software that well, I just found that since everything is a file, copying the files was always easier than messing with images and dealing with resizing file systems |
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| 04:58.48 | somiaj | gnuyoga: are you imagining the device from a live system or trying to image the current running system? |
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| 05:02.16 | jbrks | somiaj, i think he's practicig with random and null |
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| 05:03.13 | linux2 | I just had a cd-rw drive disappear out of /dev. What log should I look in to see why it is no longer available? |
| 05:03.20 | jbrks | my stupid miniitx leaving my shell as it is makes my cpu go to 53degCels.. |
| 05:03.52 | jbrks | linux2, maybe there's a bad connection on the cable |
| 05:04.04 | jbrks | linux2, dmesg |grep -i reset |
| 05:04.15 | jbrks | linux2, see if it says reset in the dmesg log |
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| 05:07.15 | gnuyoga | somiaj: live |
| 05:08.20 | somiaj | gnuyoga: do you actually have bad blocks? |
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| 05:08.35 | linux2 | jbrks, humm, don't see anything in dmesg |
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| 05:08.58 | linux2 | jbrks, it is an old drive though... maybe it just died |
| 05:10.17 | gnuyoga | somiaj: yes.... in some of the harddisk |
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| 05:10.58 | gnuyoga | somiaj: goal is to replicate it to few 100 of machines (all independent machines) no network connection |
| 05:12.03 | paijem | how to create user restricted to one folder only ? |
| 05:12.44 | linux2 | jbrks, yep... it died. looks like it burned the chip on the back of the drive. No wonder I smelled something funny for the past 10 minutes |
| 05:12.49 | gnuyoga | paijem: chroot |
| 05:13.09 | somiaj | gnuyoga: I would fist make a copy of the os on a file system with no bad blocks, and make sure you have no corruption. |
| 05:13.43 | somiaj | paijem: problem with chroot is you have to include any binaries and libaries needed for that user to function inside the 'jail' |
| 05:14.02 | jbrks | linux2, you should yank out the powersupply unit and have it tested.. |
| 05:14.25 | paijem | gnuyoga, somiaj: how to do that ? is there some tool to automagically doing that task ? |
| 05:14.33 | somiaj | gnuyoga: then you know how to put a file system within a file, that way you could copy the whole file system running machine and just copy the image to the new hardisks. |
| 05:14.58 | somiaj | paijem: well what is your final goal. What applications do you want this user to run. |
| 05:15.11 | gnuyoga | somiaj: sounds good, will give it a shot |
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| 05:15.46 | linux2 | jbrks, looks like it burned at the ide cable. Drive still "works", but doesn't show up in linux or the bios. I might try another ide cable but I think the drive it a loss |
| 05:15.56 | gnuyoga | paijem: BTW when a linux users login what he has access to is just his home directory, that way its restricted to one folder ;) |
| 05:16.52 | paijem | gnuyoga : yeah, i know, but i think he can browse upper (root) directory |
| 05:18.04 | gnuyoga | paijem: whats the use case ? |
| 05:18.53 | paijem | somiaj: i want user only can "stay" on home folder, can't browser upper directory |
| 05:18.55 | somiaj | paijem: correct, but by default you can hide sensitive data from him. (issue is users can exploit things, but they can also get out of chroots as well) -- chroots are a common way to limit what the user can see? |
| 05:19.15 | somiaj | paijem: well what do you want this user to be running, how does this user login (via ssh?) |
| 05:19.52 | gnuyoga | paijem: http://www.debian-tutorials.com/general/how-to-restrict-linux-users-to-their-home-directories |
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| 05:20.00 | somiaj | paijem: you will have to make a copy of every application you want this user to be able to run in his chroot. And then you can configure sshd_config to put the user in a chroot when he logs on. |
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| 05:20.14 | paijem | gnuyoga: thank's |
| 05:20.33 | paijem | somiaj: was that too redundant ? |
| 05:21.51 | marsfligth | Hi, what commands can I use to purge the trash based on trash content age? |
| 05:21.59 | somiaj | paijem: rbash seems nifty. (: |
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| 05:23.15 | alazare619 | ok so gnome-keyring isnt working at all |
| 05:23.15 | alazare619 | its not asking to save passwords |
| 05:23.24 | alazare619 | what can i do to fix this issue please? |
| 05:23.43 | paijem | somiaj: i have read http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/restricting-unix-users |
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| 05:33.49 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one |
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| 05:34.19 | paijem | hello cobra-the-joker |
| 05:35.12 | jbrks | paijem, that's an old article.. 2002.. comeon man |
| 05:35.56 | paijem | jbrks: yeah, i know, but we get a direction :D |
| 05:36.14 | jbrks | paijem, that article doesn't have acl |
| 05:36.22 | jbrks | paijem, selinux, apparmor |
| 05:36.57 | paijem | jbrks: is that enough to use linux ACL to implement that ? |
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| 05:40.49 | jbrks | a buddy i was helping with several hours ago.. still has his view-only desktop on.. lol.. talking about security https://join.me/187-981-997 |
| 05:40.56 | jbrks | look at that! |
| 05:40.57 | jbrks | lol |
| 05:41.05 | jbrks | he even has this irc channel in view hehehehe |
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| 05:42.27 | jbrks | he posted that url publicly on the channel before btw |
| 05:43.11 | jbrks | paijem, ^ that's another! |
| 05:43.12 | jbrks | lol |
| 05:43.52 | jbrks | his machine is not entrable anyways.. but still i find it funny |
| 05:45.27 | ompaul | jbrks: have you an enter key fetish? |
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| 05:56.55 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 05:57.10 | Bartzy | Is it possible to get the files that a package is going to install before installing it ? with aptitude ? |
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| 05:58.11 | somiaj | Bartzy: there is a --download-only option, check the man page for exact syntax |
| 05:58.52 | somiaj | Bartzy: actually just aptitude download (though you will have to look inside the deb/extract it -- if you just want a file list, apt-file will work |
| 05:59.16 | simonlnu | dpkg -c |
| 05:59.17 | dpkg | wish i knew, simonlnu |
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| 05:59.26 | doubledama | http://i.imgur.com/Ykttx.jpg |
| 05:59.48 | Bartzy | thanks |
| 06:00.13 | peterrooney | !ops doubledama |
| 06:00.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: peterrooney complains about: doubledama |
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| 06:00.26 | doubledama | !ops peterrooney |
| 06:00.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: doubledama complains about: peterrooney |
| 06:00.35 | doubledama | !ops __nolife |
| 06:00.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: doubledama complains about: __nolife |
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| 06:00.57 | doubledama | lol |
| 06:01.21 | peterrooney | thank you peterS. |
| 06:01.24 | peterS | np |
| 06:01.37 | simonlnu | \o/ |
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| 06:04.35 | Arafangion | Bad sign when one forgets their login password. |
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| 06:14.10 | TBotNik | Anybody and All: Anyone know any good WordPress plugin gurus or an active WordPress channel. Official channel at #wordpress is dead, no one ever responds, ever! |
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| 06:27.14 | elcolombianito | hello |
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| 06:27.44 | blackshirt | hello elcolombianito |
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| 06:29.35 | elcolombianito | blackshirt, do you know aout processors? i need some guidance please. I just found out that my netbook (with intel atom n450) is 64 bit. i have debian squeeze right know on it... |
| 06:29.49 | elcolombianito | *now |
| 06:30.15 | blackshirt | little.. what your problem ? |
| 06:30.34 | elcolombianito | not so much a problem... |
| 06:30.36 | elcolombianito | but |
| 06:31.01 | elcolombianito | gnome System Monitor says i have two cores... |
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| 06:31.19 | elcolombianito | well, two procesors actually |
| 06:31.36 | elcolombianito | processor o and processor 1 |
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| 06:32.04 | elcolombianito | but sensors gives the temp of only one core... Core 0... |
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| 06:33.06 | elcolombianito | what does that mean... why does the Gnome System Monitor say I have two processors.... |
| 06:33.25 | simonlnu | hyperthreaded? |
| 06:34.12 | simonlnu | try looking at /proc/cpuinfo .. |
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| 06:36.42 | Derpadong | y u no have 3.0 kernel? |
| 06:36.51 | Derpadong | lol |
| 06:36.52 | Derpadong | jk |
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| 06:39.43 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to build the latest autoconf...and (who thought this was a good idea anyway?!) it... neeeds.... autoconf... to build... |
| 06:40.05 | simonlnu | *blink* |
| 06:40.05 | elcolombianito | ok, according to /proc/cpuinfo both processors have same core id (0)... |
| 06:40.19 | simonlnu | no bootstrapping stuff in there? |
| 06:40.35 | nsadmin | not that I could see |
| 06:41.17 | nsadmin | all the autoconfs I have seem to be buggy in one way or another' |
| 06:41.48 | simonlnu | isn't that true with autoconf anyway? :P |
| 06:42.05 | simonlnu | elcolombianito: bug? might want to see the BTS |
| 06:42.08 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 06:42.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 06:42.48 | elcolombianito | its a bug? should they be identified as diferent cores? |
| 06:43.29 | simonlnu | elcolombianito: well yes |
| 06:43.41 | elcolombianito | oh crapiola |
| 06:43.47 | simonlnu | elcolombianito: but that would be a kernel bug, i think, unless i'm missing something |
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| 06:45.15 | elcolombianito | im not sure if its because its a netbook. or that its even related, but everytime i open more than two applications, the Core temp rises from 50 to 61 |
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| 06:45.38 | simonlnu | wouldn't know. |
| 06:45.45 | elcolombianito | thanks simonlnu, i will look into this and report it if its a bug... |
| 06:45.51 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 06:48.12 | streuner__ | kernel bugs are a thingie of LKML, and only if you verify that with another person its ok... |
| 06:48.43 | simonlnu | of course, but end-users still work via the bts |
| 06:49.10 | simonlnu | lkml would still tell him to go see his distro |
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| 07:08.02 | tost | Hello, |
| 07:08.49 | tost | how i install java plugin on iceweasel 8 for amd64??? |
| 07:09.17 | somiaj | tost: sun-java has been removed, you'll have to use openJDK -- there is a java plugin package. use aptitude search to find them |
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| 07:09.54 | somiaj | looks like its called icedtea-plugin |
| 07:13.09 | tost | somiaj, are you sure that icedtea-plugin is the java plugin for icew..??? |
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| 07:14.01 | somiaj | tost: aptitude show icedtea-plugin -- the short description says that what it is. |
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| 07:18.04 | mengesb1 | would like to get some help with debian and xen 4.1... I've updated what I believe is necessary for xen4.1 from wheezy... and I'm running into a conflict. I see lots of references to 'xencommons' but I see nothing in apt about it... and my 'xm' commands are just hanging... I'm not sure what else to do. I'm running 3.0.0-1 XEN with hypervisor 4.1 |
| 07:18.58 | tost | somiaj, you're right... thank you very much!!! :) |
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| 07:20.08 | mengesb1 | I see info about 'xend' and 'xendomains', both of which my systems have, but it appears that only xend starts |
| 07:20.15 | tehrabbitt | Just wanted to say, just re-installed debian on my laptop, got it working, with gnome instead of KDE for a change... It's truly amazing :-D |
| 07:20.36 | tehrabbitt | gnome has come a long way |
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| 07:27.00 | Quibus | hi all |
| 07:27.05 | Arafangion | tehrabbitt: The big issue with gnome, however, is that it hasn't yet realised that 99% of users just use it as a DE. |
| 07:27.31 | mengesb1 | anyone able to provide some help with xen4.1 and a squeeze/wheezy hybrid system that has 'xm' commands hanging ... not doing anything |
| 07:27.37 | tehrabbitt | Arafangion: what do you mean heh |
| 07:27.48 | mvv | thought GNOME/KDE always sucked |
| 07:27.52 | Quibus | I was wondering how "Suspend" is supposed to work. I clicked Suspend in the GNOME (3) menu, the computer went off. Later I turned it back on, but it booted normally, recovering journals of my ext3 filesystems |
| 07:28.16 | jbrks | mvv, everything sux.. i prefer good old days vaccum tubes |
| 07:28.49 | Arafangion | tehrabbitt: Gnome is an elaborate framework for cross-language and cross-platform rapid and distributed application development. |
| 07:28.55 | jbrks | mengesb, you're alive! lol |
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| 07:29.13 | mengesb1 | jbrks: yeah I'm alive... trying to get my xen server running normally |
| 07:29.23 | mengesb1 | jbrks: for whatever reason the xm commands are just hanging |
| 07:29.29 | jbrks | mengesb, you got that raidsh&t working right? |
| 07:29.36 | mengesb1 | jbrks: yeah |
| 07:30.02 | jbrks | mengesb1, it's a b& if u get a powerfail.. i tried a suspend and failed.. lol |
| 07:30.30 | jbrks | mengesb, and of course you're not stupid you already know this :) ups is the law for this stuff |
| 07:30.42 | mengesb1 | not a problem with this stuff |
| 07:30.49 | mengesb1 | i just need to get the xm stuff working like it should |
| 07:30.59 | mengesb1 | and i don't know why the fk it isn't |
| 07:31.56 | jbrks | mengesb, try "apropos xen" |
| 07:32.12 | tehrabbitt | Arafangion: Ah lol well yes, I mean gnome as in the desktop environment |
| 07:32.14 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 07:32.19 | jbrks | mengesb, there may be sample of commands etc in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
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| 07:32.46 | mengesb1 | i see xm in there |
| 07:32.48 | mengesb1 | but they're not working |
| 07:32.51 | jbrks | mengesb, i never used xen.. but that's something i may look in the short future |
| 07:32.55 | Arafangion | tehrabbitt: That's kind of my point. |
| 07:33.04 | jbrks | mengesb, dpkg -S `which xm` , dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 07:33.40 | mengesb1 | ok, provided by xen-utils-common |
| 07:33.45 | mengesb1 | and that is installed |
| 07:34.16 | mengesb1 | ii xen-utils-comm 4.1.2-1 |
| 07:34.34 | jbrks | mengesb, capital -L |
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| 07:35.31 | mengesb1 | right, that lists the files |
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| 07:35.52 | jbrks | googles "manpage xm" |
| 07:36.26 | mengesb1 | jbrks: i know 'xm' is installed right, but I don't know why the contorl commands aren't showing any results |
| 07:36.33 | jbrks | mengesb, where's this from? apt-cache policy xen-utils-comm |
| 07:36.42 | mengesb1 | its from wheezy |
| 07:37.09 | jbrks | ah.. cuse it's not in my squeeze repo |
| 07:37.18 | mengesb1 | right, that'd be 4.0.0-1 |
| 07:37.21 | jbrks | did you add a separate repo for this? |
| 07:37.34 | mengesb1 | debian's wheezy repo (testing) |
| 07:37.52 | mengesb1 | same lines as squeeze basically, minus one of the groups |
| 07:38.00 | mengesb1 | but the issue isn't that it is not installed |
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| 07:38.07 | mengesb1 | the issue is that 'xm' commands aren't running |
| 07:38.10 | mengesb1 | and i'm not sure why |
| 07:38.13 | mengesb1 | since it is installed right |
| 07:38.17 | jbrks | "Print out the xend log. This log file can be found in /var/log/xend.log.È |
| 07:38.53 | jbrks | manpage says the log location.. |
| 07:41.31 | mengesb1 | yeah... just doesn't give any good info |
| 07:41.41 | jbrks | mengesb, did u try the subcommands? |
| 07:41.57 | jbrks | mengesb, like dmesg, info ? |
| 07:42.08 | jbrks | (xm's own dmesg subcommand) |
| 07:42.24 | mengesb1 | can't do xm desmg |
| 07:42.25 | mengesb1 | no return |
| 07:42.26 | jbrks | mengesb, dude read the manual |
| 07:42.37 | mengesb1 | i'm not a xen n00b here... its not a manual problem |
| 07:42.39 | mengesb1 | its a xm problem |
| 07:42.55 | mengesb1 | either xm isn't talking to the api right |
| 07:42.58 | jbrks | mengesb, do you have this option in the manpage? hoping it's the same manpage i'm looking at (or hopefully close enough)..http://linux.die.net/man/1/xm |
| 07:43.01 | mengesb1 | whcih I have no clue where that's configured |
| 07:43.16 | jbrks | first thing u check is info and dmesg and the log |
| 07:43.27 | mengesb1 | like I said, XM returns NOTHING |
| 07:43.31 | mengesb1 | no command returns anything |
| 07:43.38 | mengesb1 | its an api problem |
| 07:44.01 | jbrks | well the only other thing i can say, is check for any pre-reqs.. |
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| 07:44.12 | mengesb1 | they're there, and all built from wheezy |
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| 07:44.29 | mengesb1 | did apt-get build-dep -t testing <xen packages> |
| 07:44.35 | mengesb1 | before installing xen |
| 07:44.58 | jbrks | mengesb, hehe.. and the daemon's are needed for this? what about all the necessary modules, all nec modules loaded? proper native machine kernel loaded? |
| 07:45.49 | jbrks | if info and dmesg subcommands don't work then nothing else would work.. so i'd see what i'm missing |
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| 07:46.50 | mengesb1 | well, that's why i'm here |
| 07:46.57 | mengesb1 | because far as i know, i have what i need in here |
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| 07:50.45 | jbrks | mengesb, "Within domain 0, a process called xend runs to manage the system. Xend is responsible |
| 07:50.45 | jbrks | for managing virtual machines and providing access to their consoles. Commands are |
| 07:50.45 | jbrks | issued to xend over an HTTP interface, via a command-line tool. |
| 07:50.46 | jbrks | " |
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| 07:51.06 | jbrks | mengesb, could it be a firewall issue? |
| 07:51.59 | mengesb1 | no firewall installed, iptables -L shows zero |
| 07:52.11 | jbrks | btw where is domain0 ? |
| 07:52.19 | mengesb1 | what do you mean 'where' ? |
| 07:52.43 | mengesb1 | domain0 (dom0) is the OS available at the console... it is what I installed |
| 07:53.00 | jbrks | it's supposed to be the manager domain |
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| 07:53.09 | mengesb1 | right, it is what I am logged into |
| 07:53.11 | mengesb1 | more or less |
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| 07:53.34 | mengesb1 | i'm not in a guest if that's what you're getting at (domU) |
| 07:54.00 | jbrks | did you read my paste? |
| 07:54.15 | jbrks | a process xend runs to manage the system |
| 07:54.34 | mengesb1 | xend is operating |
| 07:54.48 | jbrks | and any errors inthe log? |
| 07:55.25 | jbrks | dmesg |grep -i xen , or could it be-> lsmod |grep xen |
| 07:55.28 | mengesb1 | warnings only |
| 07:55.33 | jbrks | like what |
| 07:55.47 | jbrks | dpaste.com ? |
| 07:55.53 | mengesb1 | [2011-11-11 23:44:17 1644] WARNING (XendAPI:708) API call: VBD.set_device not found |
| 07:55.53 | mengesb1 | [2011-11-11 23:44:17 1644] WARNING (XendAPI:708) API call: VBD.set_type not found |
| 07:55.58 | jbrks | :( |
| 07:56.05 | mengesb1 | i won't paste them all |
| 07:56.08 | jbrks | i dont think they like pastesin here |
| 07:56.19 | mengesb1 | 1 or 2 are fine |
| 07:57.40 | jbrks | someone mentions about removing network-manager |
| 07:57.47 | jbrks | (2008 forum) |
| 07:57.53 | jbrks | http://xen.1045712.n5.nabble.com/Re-API-call-VIF-get-network-not-found-td2594020.html |
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| 07:59.22 | jbrks | mengesb1, if i'm guessing right.. it may be your bridge setups |
| 07:59.42 | mengesb1 | nah... very much doubt that... besides it wouldn't bork xm commands |
| 08:00.17 | mengesb1 | i have no network-manager, and brctl shows my bridge |
| 08:00.20 | jbrks | i believe it would.. the manager works over http |
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| 08:03.18 | mengesb1 | xenstore-ls shows dom0 so i know xen is working |
| 08:03.46 | mengesb1 | and xentop shows dom0 |
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| 08:06.37 | jbrks | dunno.. i'd look at what those warnings in the log mean |
| 08:07.39 | jbrks | vbd= virtualbridge device? i'm just guessing, and vif= virtual interface? |
| 08:08.00 | mengesb1 | vbd - virtual block device / vif = virtual interface |
| 08:09.20 | jbrks | dunno.. could it be router order? routing tables/ |
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| 08:10.38 | mengesb1 | bleh, fuck it |
| 08:10.46 | mengesb1 | sleep, will ask smarter people tomorrow |
| 08:10.49 | jbrks | well it's in the log |
| 08:10.53 | mengesb1 | they'll say i'm missing something stupid i know it |
| 08:10.56 | jbrks | you should ask #xen.. |
| 08:11.03 | jbrks | it looks like a simple and common issue |
| 08:11.04 | mengesb1 | i asked ##xen |
| 08:11.06 | mengesb1 | no one there |
| 08:11.19 | mengesb1 | i'll see about asking monday |
| 08:11.22 | mengesb1 | thanks jbrks |
| 08:11.23 | jbrks | i'd look at the bridge and interfaces.. and the basics |
| 08:11.26 | jbrks | okie |
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| 08:23.54 | zub | Hi. I'm on testing, recently upgraded to gnome3. I'm stuck with this fake-old-gnome look. For some reason gnome now opens web urls in chromium, while I'd prefer iceweasel to eb the default. But I have not figured out where to change this. |
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| 08:24.25 | zub | I see xdg-open does this, but xdg-open calls gvfs-open... and I don't know how to change what gvfs-open does. |
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| 08:25.02 | lzskiss | yo |
| 08:27.07 | zub | am I missing something, or has the step to gnome3 brought almost-no-configurability? :( |
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| 08:32.50 | arghx | zub: that's the point of gnome3. why do you think there is that much moaning about it? |
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| 08:33.14 | zub | ah, it might be chaining somehow to exo-open from xfce, what a nightmare :-( |
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| 08:34.26 | zub | arghx: then I don't get the point... going from "user configures env" to "env configures user" is... not somehting I like :-/ |
| 08:35.02 | arghx | if you haven't noticed, gnome is on this quest now for several versions. years now |
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| 08:39.25 | RudyValencia | OK, would my server run equally well on Debian 6.0.3 compared to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "server" edition, assuming I do not install a WM? |
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| 08:41.57 | jiltdil | i have debian 6.0.1 iso . Should i install this or just i have to download .0.3 |
| 08:42.29 | lamah | install it |
| 08:42.38 | jiltdil | Thanks |
| 08:42.39 | lamah | then update to 6.0.3 |
| 08:42.43 | jiltdil | ok |
| 08:42.56 | lamah | it's ok |
| 08:42.59 | lamah | ;)) |
| 08:43.05 | jiltdil | :) |
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| 08:43.36 | jiltdil | One more question . I am learning linux so is it better to work on debian as host or ubuntu as host?? |
| 08:43.47 | lamah | debian |
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| 08:44.21 | lamah | more flexbile for server and know one law - ubuntu are debian based |
| 08:44.48 | jiltdil | is it right that debian is the most stable os? |
| 08:44.55 | lamah | debian is created 1993 |
| 08:45.00 | lamah | YES |
| 08:45.16 | jiltdil | Thanks alot :) |
| 08:45.42 | reenignEesreveR- | i need to try my kernel in qemu. I'll need the GNU utilities etc. too to try. Is there any small pre-built debian image (without any GUI) in which i can just plug in my kernel and everything loads up? |
| 08:45.57 | jiltdil | i have one more question. Why redHat is prefer at server side if debian is most stable. Any reason? |
| 08:46.39 | lamah | fedora/redhat, fedora are ok for server but for debian is more security and more faster OS |
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| 08:47.10 | lamah | and also fedora is more for desktop, redhat/centos are for servers based mainly |
| 08:47.44 | RudyValencia | I prefer the dpkg/.deb system more than the rpm system |
| 08:47.48 | GNU\colossus | whoever uses fedora os a server is pretty much out of his mind. red hat is another beast however, and many enterprises use it for the company's great support they provide |
| 08:47.49 | jiltdil | lamah , Why debian is not popular like redhat at server ? |
| 08:47.54 | lamah | RudyValencia: sure |
| 08:48.13 | RudyValencia | and Debian uses a simpler apache setup for vhosts |
| 08:48.14 | lamah | RudyValencia: it comes from darkness;) |
| 08:48.18 | GNU\colossus | debian is not backed by a large commercial entity, but the community. some businesses probably perceive that a weakness |
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| 08:48.31 | RudyValencia | I think it's alright |
| 08:48.45 | GNU\colossus | I think it's pretty dumb, but that's only my pov :) |
| 08:48.51 | RudyValencia | (and I don't need to pay for support) |
| 08:49.04 | lamah | jillsmitt_h_: advertisment now for redhat/redhat products ARE BIG organizations, conferences, support, etc. |
| 08:49.09 | lamah | jiltdil... |
| 08:49.13 | lamah | jiltdil: you understand |
| 08:49.23 | jiltdil | lamah, something :) |
| 08:49.33 | RudyValencia | I haven't used a RedHat distro since before Fedora |
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| 08:49.59 | RudyValencia | (well, I did try Fedora for a while back in 2004 but hated it |
| 08:50.08 | RudyValencia | and used Debian until Ubuntu came out |
| 08:50.23 | jiltdil | RudyValencia, I am using fedora as in dual boot but its not stable |
| 08:50.27 | RudyValencia | then I tried Ubuntu and have used it up until recently when they added unity |
| 08:50.33 | RudyValencia | which I hate |
| 08:50.43 | RudyValencia | so I'm gonna go back to Debian for my server |
| 08:50.57 | jiltdil | Ubuntu 10.* versions i like but 11.* vesions are very unstable , many bugs |
| 08:51.18 | RudyValencia | yep |
| 08:51.32 | RudyValencia | that's why I still use 10.04 LTS |
| 08:51.42 | RudyValencia | no unity bull |
| 08:51.44 | jiltdil | RudyValencia, :) |
| 08:52.03 | RudyValencia | ubuntu better wake up and quit pushing unity |
| 08:52.43 | RudyValencia | I love GNOME 2.x |
| 08:52.54 | RudyValencia | I can configure it to be a lot like Windows |
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| 08:53.41 | RudyValencia | (one panel - main menu, window list, notification area, clock, show desktop at end) |
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| 08:54.12 | RudyValencia | then show the computer, home, and network icons |
| 08:54.17 | RudyValencia | (on the desktop) |
| 08:54.28 | RudyValencia | and it's close enough to windows to be usable there |
| 08:54.48 | jiltdil | even gnome is not working fine in ubuntu 11.10 |
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| 08:55.02 | RudyValencia | ah |
| 08:55.16 | jiltdil | i am currently on 11.10 and after being frustert and boared i decided to use debian now |
| 08:55.40 | RudyValencia | ubuntu rode the coattails of debian for awhile and now is too far away to be compatible |
| 08:55.54 | RudyValencia | too different |
| 08:56.12 | RudyValencia | there's only one or two things that bug me with Debian |
| 08:56.33 | RudyValencia | on the desktop, pidgin is missing MSN Messenger support |
| 08:56.48 | valdyn | judd: versions pidgin |
| 08:56.48 | RudyValencia | but otherwise I think it's alright for a server |
| 08:56.49 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b1; wheezy: 2.10.0-1+b1 |
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| 08:57.23 | RudyValencia | squeeze has 2.7 which should have MSN Messenger |
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| 08:57.57 | RudyValencia | I know that Debian names its versions for Toy Story characters :) |
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| 08:58.21 | valdyn | RudyValencia: i see msn support |
| 08:58.32 | valdyn | RudyValencia: is it just incompatible? |
| 08:58.41 | RudyValencia | I thought it was removed from pidgin |
| 08:58.50 | RudyValencia | (well, from the debian version) |
| 08:58.57 | RudyValencia | I guess they restored it |
| 08:59.21 | RudyValencia | I'll try it out on the desktop after setting up my server |
| 09:01.06 | RudyValencia | hm, I can't recall, which character is 'squeeze'? |
| 09:01.18 | valdyn | !squeeze |
| 09:01.19 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.3>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 09:01.32 | RudyValencia | oh, the "Pizza Planet" aliens. |
| 09:02.21 | RudyValencia | hehe, I love this image: http://danlynch.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/grolsch-debian-open.gif (spoof of the "Grolsch" logo) |
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| 09:03.13 | Lazarus_ | hello |
| 09:04.29 | Lazarus_ | I want to install Squeeze (stable) & I know, that it is possible to format partitions to ext4 with it. But the installer by default uses ext3. so what FS should I choose? |
| 09:05.50 | Lazarus_ | it has 2.6.32 kernel |
| 09:05.58 | Lazarus_ | I think... |
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| 09:10.40 | RudyValencia | starts backing up configurations for services like bind, apache2, php, mysql |
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| 09:15.01 | jiltdil | i have debian 64 bit live , i am using unetbootin to make live usb , in Distribution i selected debian but what to use stable_netinstall_x64 or other please help?? |
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| 09:35.15 | petan | hey, I am having weird problems with connectivity after I rebooted my pc |
| 09:36.45 | lonejack | Hi, I've my laptop that doesn't work. The startup procedure(messages) goes right but after the screen becames black. I've the last stable version. This morning there were a lot of update from synaptic |
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| 09:37.13 | lonejack | now I'm in recovery mode |
| 09:37.16 | lonejack | as root |
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| 09:38.05 | lonejack | 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 09:38.05 | cthuluh | lonejack: proprietaru drivers? |
| 09:38.14 | cthuluh | proprietary* |
| 09:38.50 | cthuluh | ok, let's make a real sentence: do you use proprietary graphic drivers for your graphic card? |
| 09:38.54 | lonejack | to be honest, this system was created from a friend |
| 09:39.01 | lonejack | it could be |
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| 09:39.24 | lonejack | I've to ask him |
| 09:39.30 | cthuluh | see /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 09:41.11 | arghx | lonejack: what debian is it and what videocard? |
| 09:42.27 | lonejack | Cthulhux, arghx, probably your'e right... It's a new system HP635 |
| 09:43.11 | lonejack | Cthulhux, arghx, it is possible that my friend substituted some drivers |
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| 09:43.42 | arghx | come back when you actually have the system in front of you and can answer about it and change its config |
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| 09:46.30 | kleanchap | Where can I find some HD Debian wallpapers for my desktop? |
| 09:46.54 | tyraelx | klean: google |
| 09:47.20 | trifler | Impossible. |
| 09:47.25 | phogg | what's a debian wallpaper? |
| 09:47.46 | trifler | Most likely a pictue with a debian logon on it. |
| 09:47.46 | lamah | nude girls |
| 09:47.58 | trifler | picture and logo |
| 09:48.01 | kleanchap | tyraelx, Thnx |
| 09:48.05 | phogg | step 1) get the debian logo SVG file. Step 2) render on fancy background. Step 3) zomg highres wallpaper! |
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| 09:51.25 | rozie | kleanchap: http://www.wallpaperlinux.com/v/FreeLinuxWallpaper/ should be fine |
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| 09:52.53 | MrMind | hi! is there a big difference between kde 4.4 and 4.6? |
| 09:53.07 | lamah | no |
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| 09:53.19 | xok | hello all... |
| 09:53.26 | bzed | echo '4.6-4.4' | bc -l |
| 09:53.26 | bzed | .2 |
| 09:53.33 | bzed | don't think so. |
| 09:53.38 | xok | I'm experiencing problem with FN key on my laptop... |
| 09:53.47 | MrMind | lamah: okej, thx! |
| 09:53.52 | xok | it suddenly stopped working, does anyone know why this could happen?.. |
| 09:54.11 | xok | I'm using lenovo ThinkPad edge |
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| 09:56.40 | arghx | xok: what do you use to make the fn+fx work? |
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| 09:58.49 | cusco | bzed: what«s wrong? |
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| 09:59.46 | xok | arghx: I don't use anything, just click this fn key then volume button to pump it up but does nothing... |
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| 10:00.15 | xok | I also tried to increase/decrease the brightness but it doesn't work as well.. arghx |
| 10:00.57 | bzed | cusco: nothing? (that was just a kind of reply to MrMind) |
| 10:02.01 | xok | arghx: any help?... |
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| 10:06.04 | fx_man | Hi .. do you want to make 200$ daily ? pm me now |
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| 10:06.38 | lamah | haha |
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| 10:06.59 | cantido | whats a good DE for a 4 inch touch screen, no mouse or keyboard? ;) |
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| 10:08.09 | nsadmin | talk about a fast death |
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| 10:11.23 | nsadmin | cantido: sounds like android would be good |
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| 10:11.50 | cantido | nsadmin: there is an android port for this board.. android is slightly limiting though |
| 10:12.14 | cantido | i.e. not a proper libc, cant write full applications in C, no x11 without hacking |
| 10:12.25 | nsadmin | so is a 4 inch touch screen without mouse or kbd :) |
| 10:12.46 | cantido | true.. its worth a go though ;) |
| 10:13.08 | cantido | matchbox seems to be along the right lines |
| 10:13.11 | nsadmin | is it a cell? or a tablet that's not a cell? |
| 10:13.44 | nsadmin | I guess you'd need an on-screen kbd |
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| 10:14.20 | cantido | nsadmin: its not a cell |
| 10:14.35 | cantido | its a custom-ish board |
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| 10:17.07 | cantido | seems Xfbdev cant controll the backlight, gah |
| 10:17.45 | textantator | hello guys, using debian for a while now and wanted to know how to compile my kernel? are there some proposals ? |
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| 10:17.56 | cantido | textantator: question 1, why? |
| 10:18.43 | textantator | there are a bunch of drivers and some other things i dont want in my kernel |
| 10:18.58 | cantido | textantator: the debian kernel is mostly modules |
| 10:19.11 | RudyValencia | how do I change a number of filenames ending with 'hosts' to end with 'zone'? |
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| 10:19.29 | textantator | its for learning my computer too, so i can figure out whats the best kernel settings |
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| 10:19.39 | textantator | and wanted to try the 3.0.x kernel |
| 10:20.37 | cantido | textantator: there are 3.x kernels in debian (sid).. I dont think you will learn anything about your computer other than how to stop it booting |
| 10:20.54 | EmleyMoor | RudyValencia: There's a "rename" utility that can help you |
| 10:20.55 | lonejack | if you run a system but at certain time the x11 show nothing, is there a way to get a sort of terminal? What's the keys sequence? thnk you |
| 10:21.04 | textantator | or, where are the man pages for compiling kernel? |
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| 10:22.01 | cantido | if you cant google it.... |
| 10:22.29 | textantator | cantido: i need to know everything about my system, and cuz of the kernel itself is linux, i need to know whats going on there, what does it boot.. and if i really need everything is another question |
| 10:22.41 | nsadmin | ...then yahoo it! |
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| 10:22.55 | p_quarles | there is no man page for compiling the kernel; man pages are for utilities, and compiling the kernel is not a utility |
| 10:23.07 | cantido | textantator: you dont need to build a kernel to do that.. buy one of the kernel internals books |
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| 10:23.41 | nsadmin | p_quarles: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 10:24.08 | nsadmin | but compiling the kernel can be complex |
| 10:24.13 | cantido | textantator: the boot process is well documented in the documentation directory in the source |
| 10:24.58 | nsadmin | p_quarles, and for those, there is the Documentation dir and the README |
| 10:25.08 | textantator | cantido: i think you are using the prefabricated kernel? ; ) |
| 10:25.13 | p_quarles | nsadmin: hehe :D - of course there are concise guides, but I still insist there is no man page for compiling the kernel |
| 10:25.32 | cantido | textantator: on x86 machines yes, there is no reason |
| 10:26.03 | nsadmin | there is a man page for make |
| 10:26.19 | cantido | if you're running arm, sh4 or something.. you might have a reason to build a kernel |
| 10:26.31 | textantator | cantido: i was using gentoo before, there was a "standard" (genkernel all) function to compile kernel for every mashine.... than ive compiled my own kernel, it worked and it was much better than before |
| 10:26.46 | p_quarles | anyone who can figure out everything about compiling a linux kernel from man make is a better person than I |
| 10:26.47 | nsadmin | there are man pages for each EXECUTABLE in debian |
| 10:27.00 | nsadmin | (if not, that is officially a bug) |
| 10:27.24 | cantido | textantator: define better |
| 10:27.38 | nsadmin | batter is better |
| 10:27.42 | RudyValencia | EmleyMoor: I figured it out |
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| 10:28.37 | textantator | cantido: the bootprocess was faster, and programs too... with genkernel there were bugs when i wanted to start some programs... and to fix them for a gentoo beginner was like hell : P |
| 10:29.07 | textantator | own compiled kernel was optimized for everything, the "personal feeling" was there ; ) |
| 10:29.26 | cantido | textantator: I dont think the kernel is the biggest speed issue in the debian boot process.. |
| 10:29.41 | textantator | cantido: hm.. |
| 10:30.11 | cantido | textantator: having your name on patches in the kernel is a "personal feeling". ;) |
| 10:30.12 | p_quarles | my working theory is that people who claim that compiling a kernel makes things faster have never actually bothered to run objective benchmarks |
| 10:30.26 | cantido | p_quarles: but its better.. |
| 10:30.38 | p_quarles | orite I keep forgetting |
| 10:30.48 | nsadmin | batter is better than bitter bitter, bub |
| 10:30.51 | textantator | cantido: u are using ur own kernel? |
| 10:31.03 | p_quarles | textantator: s/u/you/ |
| 10:31.18 | cantido | textantator: on this arm machine yes,.. because I did the work to port 3.x to this board |
| 10:31.42 | textantator | cantido: the reason for me is, i want to know my system, and i thaught the first step will be the kernel |
| 10:31.51 | textantator | p_quarles: what do u mean? ^^ |
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| 10:32.07 | cantido | compiling something is not going to teach you much about how it works |
| 10:32.27 | cantido | get one of the kernel internals books, or the more generic unix ones .. like the minix book |
| 10:32.28 | p_quarles | textantator: I just mean that SMS abbreviations are often considered rude in irc; spell out words |
| 10:32.34 | nsadmin | what is it you actually want |
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| 10:33.43 | textantator | nsadmin: just learning my system and optimizing it for my personal expectations |
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| 10:34.12 | cantido | let other people worry about the optimizing.. people with @intel.com etc email addresses |
| 10:34.21 | bsusatu | hi nice to meet you guys :P |
| 10:34.59 | bsusatu | do you have ati radeon mobility 3650 ....???? cant check temperature? please help? |
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| 10:35.41 | nsadmin | hmm. where did all this about kernel compiles and man pages come from? |
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| 10:37.13 | bsusatu | do you have ati radeon mobility hd3650 ....???? cant check temperature? please help? |
| 10:37.30 | textantator | nsadmin: an old friend was programming a lot.. after my interesses for unix has come accross he said i need to get one of this system.. than i need to compile my own kernel and read all of the man pages |
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| 10:38.00 | raven | fstab automount failed - any ideas? |
| 10:38.22 | textantator | nsadmin: to know how unix works, not just basically... when i got an idea i need to know how to convert them on my unix machine |
| 10:38.59 | textantator | i dont want to use unix cuz its free, or just cool |
| 10:39.25 | cantido | how good is your C? |
| 10:39.46 | textantator | everything is open, but the first steps are always difficulty... i just dont know how to compile a kernel.. thats what i mean |
| 10:39.47 | nsadmin | ok, then how are you with the shell? |
| 10:40.00 | textantator | nsadmin: i love shell, i dont use x that much |
| 10:40.21 | textantator | even if i dont got all the commands up in my brain ; ) |
| 10:40.26 | nsadmin | oh, that's a good question... why DO you want to use unix? |
| 10:40.30 | textantator | cantido: no, wanted to start with c next week |
| 10:40.59 | cantido | yeah, so you thought trying to learn unix from the kernel source with no C or maybe any coding experience was a good idea? |
| 10:41.14 | textantator | nsadmin: because i can modify everything, really everything just when i know HOW |
| 10:41.31 | textantator | and the system itself is really nice structured |
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| 10:41.40 | cantido | you are going to have a hard time finding something in the linux source that you can change without breaking it |
| 10:41.42 | textantator | i want to be the admin on my machine |
| 10:41.45 | cantido | is speaking from experience |
| 10:41.58 | textantator | root* |
| 10:42.28 | textantator | cantido: if you got the experience, what do i need to do? ; ) |
| 10:42.59 | cantido | textantator: get some books |
| 10:43.02 | textantator | what would be the first steps to get into this system... unix programming? shell? or c, its like im on 0 and know some basics |
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| 10:43.25 | babilen | !tell textantator -about introduction |
| 10:43.33 | textantator | cantido: yeah thats nice, ready to buy them all... the "where i need to start" problem is making me crasy |
| 10:43.40 | babilen | textantator: Read in particular the cli tutorials and the Debian reference |
| 10:43.50 | nsadmin | textantator.first make sure you understand the shell inside and out |
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| 10:44.35 | cantido | textantator: If you want to understand "unix" look up tanenbaum's book.. looks like its called "modern operating systems" now |
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| 10:44.44 | netsrot | Hi, does debian have a plan to switch out sysv init and why? |
| 10:45.34 | babilen | textantator: Then come up with something you would like to do and work on that. Being able to compile a kernel is certainly not one of the most important skills nowadays. |
| 10:45.50 | nsadmin | trad. sysvinit doesn't have dependency-based service startups |
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| 10:47.02 | textantator | making the work through all man pages<--- should help knowing the functions in the system better ? |
| 10:47.17 | reenignEesreveR- | im trying to boot up a debian image in qemu using my own kernel ... however I start getting VFS sync errors (both ext2 and ext3 have been compiled with kernel). Any ideas how to solve it? |
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| 10:48.21 | gnarface | textantator: here's my advice to you: first learn to dual boot and then once you've accomplished that, every time you sit down to do something in windows like send an email or play a mp3 or download and watch some porn or whatever, instead reboot to linux and make a point of learning to do it in linux first, before you do it in windows again. you'll find your practical knowledge stacks up rather quickly. within a year or two yo |
| 10:48.21 | gnarface | u'll wonder why you wasted so much time with *other* operating systems |
| 10:48.52 | gnarface | within 2 you'll sneer at them |
| 10:48.59 | gnarface | within 3 you'll forget about them |
| 10:49.09 | nevyn | in 5 or 10 you'll accept they're something other people use |
| 10:49.17 | nsadmin | gnarface, watching videos isn't as easy in squeeze |
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| 10:49.48 | gnarface | nsadmin: compared to what? when i started doing this you had to compile xawtv just to watch avi's |
| 10:50.21 | gnarface | nsadmin: squeeze is really easy to watch videos in as long as none of them are the latest version of any commercial codec |
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| 10:52.00 | arghx | nsadmin: isn't it the same way in every OS? install vlc, done? |
| 10:52.06 | gnarface | hah |
| 10:52.37 | nsadmin | I'm having problems getting latest flash to work with everything in amd64 |
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| 10:52.56 | gnarface | hmm. i won't install it then, thanks for the warning |
| 10:53.11 | arghx | vlc shows flv too :P |
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| 10:53.27 | gnarface | later than version 8? |
| 10:53.31 | gnarface | er, 7 |
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| 10:55.03 | nsadmin | that may be, but I'm still |
| 10:55.06 | nsadmin | I'm having problems getting latest flash to work with everything in amd64 |
| 10:55.14 | textantator | there was a problem with my alsa driver, the volume for my speaker was up to 100 % , i tried moc and other console players... and its so silent |
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| 10:55.33 | gnarface | textantator: onboard soundcard? |
| 10:55.42 | textantator | gnarface: yeah |
| 10:56.42 | gnarface | textantator: its rare for onboard soundcards to support hardware mixing. this means if another program is already running and requests hardware access instead of software access to alsa, it won't share. try closing iceweasel first. (its usually the culprit in my case) |
| 10:57.30 | gnarface | textantator: also check to make sure no conflicting sound libraries are installed (like pulseaudio, esound, arts, oss, and whatever other abominations are floating around out there) |
| 10:57.39 | textantator | gnarface: its always silent in the console, in X everything is fine.. thats the problem, im using links in console |
| 10:57.52 | textantator | only alsa? |
| 10:58.16 | gnarface | textantator: yes, you only want alsa installed. however alsa has a pretty good OSS compatibility addon you can use |
| 10:58.16 | arghx | gnarface: dmix |
| 10:58.43 | textantator | pulseaudio is installed too how i know.. k im back on the shell guys, see ya later ; ) |
| 10:58.52 | gnarface | textantator: as for links in the console being silent... that's expected. links doesn't support audio. |
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| 10:59.05 | gnarface | .... what he should be asking is how to irc from the shell |
| 10:59.24 | gnarface | i suppose learning to ask the right questions is also a skill one has to work at |
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| 11:02.19 | da2ce7 | hello, I'm having big trouble compiling a library; I'm getting the error: |
| 11:02.28 | da2ce7 | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libstdc++.a(functexcept.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `std::bad_typeid::~bad_typeid()' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 11:02.51 | da2ce7 | however this error isn't repoduced on a fresh install of debian 6 (in a vm) |
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| 11:03.22 | gnarface | da2ce7: so just going out on a limb here i'm gonna say you've got a version mismatch somewhere in the other environment |
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| 11:03.30 | gnarface | da2ce7: when is the last time you updated it? |
| 11:04.04 | mightyrox | hi, I`m getting into trouble by upgrading to the latest rkhunter version on debian lenny .. after running the install script it says that everything went fine, but rkhunter is still the old version. somebody an idea? |
| 11:04.39 | da2ce7 | um, I'm I updated to backports, then installed a heap of new packages; then it stopped compiling; so I tried downgrading to plain stable. |
| 11:04.45 | da2ce7 | but that didn't fix it either. |
| 11:06.34 | valdyn | da2ce7: so you tried to downgrade but didnt |
| 11:06.53 | gnarface | da2ce7: unfortunately downgrading, while possible to do, isn't possible to do cleanly. its an unsupported action, and it usually just breaks stuff, although sometimes only subtly |
| 11:07.22 | da2ce7 | so really i need to re-install this system? |
| 11:07.41 | valdyn | da2ce7: no, but its probably easier for you |
| 11:08.06 | gnarface | da2ce7: without far more knowledge about every single package individually and far more time also than anyone here has, yes. similarly, don't ever skip a release during upgrading... fyi |
| 11:08.20 | babilen | da2ce7: What are you compiling anyway? |
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| 11:08.45 | da2ce7 | Open Transactions as a java library |
| 11:10.32 | da2ce7 | I've placed a INSTALL-DebianStable guide in my git-repository to help anyone wanting to get it to compile: https://github.com/da2ce7/Open-Transactions |
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| 11:11.17 | da2ce7 | gnarface, it was only a downgrade of backports packages to stable again... that really fucks things up? |
| 11:11.30 | valdyn | da2ce7: no |
| 11:11.39 | valdyn | da2ce7: the downgrade must have been incomplete |
| 11:12.25 | da2ce7 | hmmm... |
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| 11:12.52 | valdyn | da2ce7: libraries ship without configuration files, that makes a downgrade like a rollback |
| 11:13.01 | babilen | !bdo list |
| 11:13.01 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'. To list all packages in the backports repository: aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)' See also <which repo>. |
| 11:13.09 | valdyn | da2ce7: but only a complete and proper downgrade |
| 11:13.18 | babilen | da2ce7: What is the output of the aforementioned dpkg command? |
| 11:13.34 | mightyrox | someone who can help me with rkhunter upgrade to 1.3.8 on debian lenny? |
| 11:13.34 | babilen | err, command mentioned by dpkg :) |
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| 11:13.53 | valdyn | judd: versions rkhunter |
| 11:13.53 | judd | Package: rkhunter on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.2-6; squeeze: 1.3.6-4; wheezy: 1.3.8-9; sid: 1.3.8-10 |
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| 11:14.04 | valdyn | mightyrox: not supported by debian |
| 11:14.23 | babilen | mightyrox: Please upgrade to squeeze (follow the release notes!) |
| 11:14.24 | mightyrox | not supported? .. but it´s still running ^^ |
| 11:14.48 | da2ce7 | really dosn't want to reinstall this computer; it was a bitch to get sandy-bridge working http://pastebin.com/TMcq4j2s |
| 11:15.00 | da2ce7 | babilen: http://pastebin.com/TMcq4j2s |
| 11:15.03 | mightyrox | hm |
| 11:15.15 | babilen | mightyrox: Yes lenny is still supported (for a couple of months), but installing packages from wheezy/sid on lenny is certainly not supported. |
| 11:15.15 | valdyn | mightyrox: no its not, dont confuse things |
| 11:15.39 | mightyrox | ok |
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| 11:16.10 | babilen | da2ce7: Those are the packages you have installed from backports, so the downgrade to squeeze was certainly not complete. |
| 11:16.51 | da2ce7 | babilen, :( |
| 11:16.57 | jiltdil | What should i select to make llive uusb of debian Stable_Netinstall or Stable_Hdmedia |
| 11:17.04 | da2ce7 | dosn't have graphics if he downgrades xorg |
| 11:17.40 | jiltdil | I am using unetbootin to make live usb please help |
| 11:17.49 | babilen | da2ce7: Given that you are running on a SB platform you need/want some of those packages though. (the kernel/xorg for example) -- Do you know *which* library is the culprit here? |
| 11:18.02 | acemi | ch uii ÅŸi |
| 11:18.05 | arghx | jiltdil: you should download a debian live cd |
| 11:18.07 | babilen | jiltdil: unetbootin is *not* working |
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| 11:18.16 | xavdu21800 | re la room |
| 11:18.21 | xavdu21800 | j'ai un autre souci svp |
| 11:18.25 | babilen | !fr |
| 11:18.25 | arghx | !fr |
| 11:18.26 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:18.48 | mightyrox | do I need to restart the server when upgrading to squeeze? |
| 11:18.55 | jiltdil | i have downloaded a live cd now |
| 11:19.03 | babilen | mightyrox: Yes, why would that be a problem? |
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| 11:19.17 | mightyrox | it´s a running live server, that is the problem |
| 11:19.19 | arghx | mightyrox: you cannot run the old kernel forever |
| 11:19.21 | jiltdil | babilen: Then how to make it bootable i have live cd installed 6.0.3 |
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| 11:19.39 | jiltdil | Babilen: Sorry downloaded live cd |
| 11:19.41 | da2ce7 | ok, I'm going to try up-grading everything to backports... maybe that will make the version-diff irrelevant. |
| 11:19.52 | da2ce7 | else, fresh install for me. |
| 11:19.58 | arghx | da2ce7: not everything |
| 11:20.26 | jiltdil | arghx: i have downloaded live cd now how to make pen drive bootable |
| 11:20.33 | valdyn | mightyrox: are you assuming that your upgrade will go smooth like that? rebooting once is the least of your problems. |
| 11:20.43 | babilen | mightyrox: Well, than plan for the upgrade. It does not have to be done today, but you should do it soon. |
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| 11:20.46 | mightyrox | :) |
| 11:20.56 | da2ce7 | just: build-essential git openjdk-6-jdk openjdk-6-source libmsgpack-dev libzmq-dev php5-dev |
| 11:21.18 | da2ce7 | *and their deps. |
| 11:21.22 | arghx | jiltdil: under what OS are you running right now? |
| 11:21.30 | jiltdil | arghx: ubuntu |
| 11:21.32 | mightyrox | ok thanks for your answers |
| 11:21.36 | mightyrox | bye |
| 11:21.49 | arghx | jiltdil: then use dd or cat to write it to the usb device file |
| 11:22.12 | jiltdil | arghx: i know dd but how to use cat here |
| 11:23.17 | da2ce7 | arghx, is there any aptitude command to force all the said packages to be of a certan release. (even downgrading) |
| 11:23.31 | arghx | jiltdil: if you know dd, then use it |
| 11:23.41 | arghx | da2ce7: no, sorry |
| 11:23.46 | jiltdil | arghx: ok thanks |
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| 11:24.13 | babilen | da2ce7: No, downgrades are not supported -- One way is to pin them to a priority >= 1001 and perform a dist-upgrade ... That is, however, a completely unsupported operation. |
| 11:24.42 | babilen | da2ce7: Did I mention not supported? |
| 11:24.49 | jiltdil | ne is iso.part and one is desktop.img which one to take ?? |
| 11:25.04 | da2ce7 | babilen, ok, I've been removing the packages then installing the old versions. |
| 11:25.11 | da2ce7 | is that a super-bad thing to do? |
| 11:25.36 | valdyn | da2ce7: thats ok, but you can also use "apt-get install packagename=version" |
| 11:25.47 | da2ce7 | ok |
| 11:25.49 | babilen | da2ce7: The idea would be to pin those packages to the version in stable/to the stable release ... *If* the package priority is higher than 1000 they will be downgraded. |
| 11:26.00 | babilen | da2ce7: No, hat is fine |
| 11:26.17 | babilen | *that (even though hats are fine too) |
| 11:28.00 | da2ce7 | is thinking if after updating these packages to backports, and it still dosn't work; I'll upgrade em to sid, just for kicks. |
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| 11:31.01 | kleanchap | How do I automatically change a wallpaper? |
| 11:31.23 | kleanchap | Like every 30 minutes or so... |
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| 11:38.40 | ePax | My rkhunter is giving me the warning about chkconfig that has changet and is now as perl script and executable... i reinstalled chkconfig and im getting same error |
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| 11:43.23 | TM0rPh | problem: very low transfer speed from debian box to win7 box on same switch. both smb and ftp are slow. wired university network. ping great. "no" resent changes except new kernel and other updates from repos. also added more RAM. |
| 11:43.34 | sigusr1 | how do i use my good old sawfish with gnome3? |
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| 11:44.47 | nyuszika7h | Hi, when I try to use setfacl, it doesn't work as excepted. |
| 11:44.52 | nyuszika7h | nyuszika7h@somewhere ~ |
| 11:45.00 | nyuszika7h | % setfacl -m u:someone:r something |
| 11:45.09 | nyuszika7h | setfacl: something: Operation not supported |
| 11:45.36 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: Is your FS mounted with acl support ? |
| 11:46.02 | nyuszika7h | ew0x: I don't know |
| 11:46.06 | nyuszika7h | How can I check? |
| 11:46.09 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: Then you've got your answer. |
| 11:46.19 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: Start with reading proper documentation. |
| 11:46.30 | nyuszika7h | This is a virtual machine (Xen) |
| 11:46.43 | nyuszika7h | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 11:46.50 | nyuszika7h | /dev/xvda2 4.0G 1.2G 2.6G 32% / |
| 11:46.53 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: Doesn't matter here, anyway. |
| 11:46.54 | sigusr1 | looks like in gnome3 you can't use another wm anymore? => finally i have to find another panel and get rid of gnome? |
| 11:47.03 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: df won't help here |
| 11:47.23 | nyuszika7h | ew0x: What can tell then? |
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| 11:48.14 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: 'mount' would, but I'm not sure I'm willing to guide you through, ACLs is a specific matter you should *read* on before trying to implement |
| 11:48.33 | ew0x | nyuszika7h: otherwise you'll be running into issues sooner or later (most probably sooner) |
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| 12:00.16 | TM0rPh | problem: very low upload speed from debian box to win7 box on same switch. both smb and ftp are slow. wired university network. ping great. "no" recent changes except new kernel and other updates from repos. also added more RAM. squeeze |
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| 12:11.26 | tvm | tm0rph: wire or wifi ? |
| 12:12.49 | kenifanying | hi all, i want to turn my laptop into a wireless access point using hostapd. i fellow this introduction: http://www.su-root.eu/ , create hostapd.conf( see http://paste.debian.net/145026 ), enable ip forwording and set ethernet bridge, then run " hostapd -B ./host.conf",.now, my android can see ssid "test", but can't get ip address, any suggestion? sorry for my english. |
| 12:13.19 | TM0rPh | tvm: wired |
| 12:14.14 | tvm | tm0rph: it worked before "no recent changes" ? |
| 12:14.29 | TM0rPh | tvm: yes |
| 12:14.39 | tvm | hmm. |
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| 12:15.12 | tvm | tm0rph: update of kernel was just update of regular debian kernel ? |
| 12:15.27 | TM0rPh | tvm: regular debiab kernel |
| 12:15.30 | arghx | TM0rPh: what kernel do you run now? |
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| 12:15.47 | kenifanying | sorry , the introduction is here, http://www.su-root.eu/computing/turn-your-linux-computer-in-a-wireless-access-point-using-hostapd |
| 12:15.48 | arghx | and if you downgrade the kernel, does the problem go away? |
| 12:16.11 | TM0rPh | arghx: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 12:16.16 | arghx | kenifanying: does your server with hostap run a dhcp server? |
| 12:16.49 | kenifanying | arghx, no, i don't know i need it |
| 12:16.57 | ew0x | arghx: he's bridgin his wlan and an ethernet segment |
| 12:17.06 | TM0rPh | arghx: i will try it :) |
| 12:17.08 | arghx | kenifanying: install dnsmasq and use it as a dhcp server too. see /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 12:17.08 | tvm | tm0rph: yeah, i'd try to downgrade the kernel. |
| 12:17.20 | ew0x | kenifanying: either you don't have a DHCP on your LAN or your bridge is not functional. |
| 12:17.26 | Devastator | I had a call trace in my last shutdown, is there a way to get it? I've checked /var/log/messages kern.log but couldn't find it, if it helps, it happened after "Will now halt" message |
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| 12:20.45 | kenifanying | arghx, ok , i have installed dnsmasq, but i don't know how to configure it, this is a quick instroduction https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sharing_PPP_Connection#Sharing_via_WLAN. all i need is edit /etc/dnsmasq.conf and restart it? |
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| 12:21.27 | arghx | kenifanying: yes, however read what ew0x wrote above |
| 12:23.10 | da2ce7 | valdyn, babilen, gnarface; I got it woking after upgrading my dev-environment to debian unstable. |
| 12:23.26 | da2ce7 | :S |
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| 12:30.10 | greex | i googled a lot..but..sometimes .forward files have something like: |procmail #user .. what is the meaning of the #? where is it documented? thanks |
| 12:32.38 | valdyn | greex: # is a comment |
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| 12:33.48 | nsadmin | oh, are you using procmail as an MDA? |
| 12:34.27 | valdyn | nsadmin: no hes talking about the .forward file |
| 12:35.25 | nsadmin | valdyn, understood... and the question still stands |
| 12:36.03 | valdyn | nsadmin: no he's not using procmail as mda but hes reading .forward files that are using procmail to forward mail |
| 12:36.05 | greex | nsadmin,yes |
| 12:36.12 | valdyn | uh |
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| 12:37.03 | nsadmin | valdyn, as you know, the two questions are independent |
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| 12:37.09 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea |
| 12:37.14 | greex | if you look at this page, there's an example that uses the # in the .forward .. http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/UsedViaProcmail |
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| 12:37.17 | valdyn | nsadmin: thats why I got confused |
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| 12:37.45 | nsadmin | happenjs to the best of us |
| 12:37.52 | stix_ | Hi guys. I have a debian 5.0.9 - is it difficult to upgrade to 6.x? |
| 12:38.23 | nsadmin | no, it's fairly simple |
| 12:38.39 | nsadmin | is that what you want? to upgrade? |
| 12:38.40 | stix_ | nsadmin, any howto's on that? |
| 12:38.54 | nsadmin | the release notes tell you how |
| 12:38.57 | stix_ | yes why not? |
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| 12:39.50 | nsadmin | just checking. one recommendation is that you back up your storage so that you could restore to what you had... while upgrading is simple, downgrading is not supported at all |
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| 12:41.12 | nsadmin | what's 5.0 anyway |
| 12:41.16 | stix_ | nsadmin, yes will do that. I am fortunate that it is a virtual machine |
| 12:41.22 | Devastator | damn, i can't find where my calltrace was stored :/ |
| 12:41.36 | nsadmin | , codenames |
| 12:41.44 | nsadmin | ! codenames |
| 12:41.44 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames . See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
| 12:42.30 | nsadmin | so if you're going to squeeze, that's right next to each other, it's a simple case... just read the release notes |
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| 12:42.48 | stix_ | great, thanks |
| 12:42.54 | nsadmin | also stick around if you want, you can ask questions as you go |
| 12:42.56 | stix_ | I am looking at it now |
| 12:43.01 | stix_ | cool |
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| 12:43.13 | nsadmin | what cpu do you have? |
| 12:43.21 | MrMind | Hi, debian installer aks me for domain name, the default is localdomain, should i go with that? |
| 12:43.49 | gnarface | MrMind: it depends on what is asking, specifically, but if you don't know the answer, then its probably safe to say yes |
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| 12:44.33 | MrMind | gnarface: okey, thx |
| 12:45.12 | valdyn | greex: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/section-18.html |
| 12:45.33 | gnarface | MrMind: make no mistake, that's not general advice, but specifically in reference to localdomain (which is usually a safe default because its the placeholder for people who don't have one) |
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| 12:46.05 | micols | apt-cache search window|grep manager , is there a better way of using debians 'tags' or similar for this? |
| 12:46.36 | gnarface | mick_laptop: you can pass a regex diretly to search |
| 12:46.44 | gnarface | micols: you can pass a regex directly to search |
| 12:46.54 | gnarface | mick_laptop: nevermind, sorry |
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| 12:47.19 | [sr] | howdy |
| 12:47.23 | micols | ah nice yes thanks |
| 12:47.38 | [sr] | is there anyone with bind9 9.8.1? it doesn't start for me on SID |
| 12:47.42 | gnarface | micols: tags are probably easier, if you know what they are (which i don't) |
| 12:47.48 | micols | how do I view the tags associated with programs in apt ? |
| 12:47.53 | micols | or search by them |
| 12:48.07 | gnarface | micols: apt-cache show [package name] |
| 12:48.19 | gnarface | micols: not sure about searching i've seen the syntax its got ~ in it |
| 12:48.31 | micols | yeah, I ment search the whole category window managers etc. |
| 12:48.39 | valdyn | greex: on top of that read the last paragraph of 25.7.4 at http://www.c3.hu/docs/oreilly/tcpip/sendmail/ch25_07.htm |
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| 12:49.00 | gnarface | micols: the man pages for apt-get and apt-cache should say |
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| 12:49.45 | micols | need to search sections in some way if possible |
| 12:49.53 | micols | apt-cache manpage doesn't mention anything about 'sections' |
| 12:50.10 | micols | and I don't want to use aptitude |
| 12:51.37 | valdyn | micols: sections are a feature of dpkg or .deb files. Dpkg is used by both, aptitude and apt-get |
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| 12:53.03 | valdyn | micols: but you want to use debtags i think |
| 12:53.26 | micols | yes thanks |
| 12:53.30 | micols | seems what I need |
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| 12:54.07 | valdyn | x11::window-manager |
| 12:54.07 | micols | just wish it was there by default... wonder if it is possible with apt-cache |
| 12:54.58 | valdyn | "debtags search x11::window-manager", apt-cache doesnt seems to work |
| 12:55.15 | valdyn | "debtags search x11::window-manager", seems to work, apt-cache doesnt seem to find this |
| 12:55.20 | greex | valdyn: thanks |
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| 12:59.13 | rly | My Debian Squeeze Emacs uses 100% CPU for the past two hours already. If I attach to the process using gdb and do bt I see basically nothing useful. How can I supply gdb with all the information it needs such that I can also get some kind of idea of what's wrong? |
| 12:59.21 | rly | It is obviously in some kind of infinite loop. |
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| 12:59.33 | micols | compile it with -ggdb |
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| 12:59.51 | bony | I did a fresh install of debian sid. When i say man <command> i get a more option and not able to move back and forth in the man page. also i am unable to search a string using |
| 12:59.53 | bony | / |
| 13:00.04 | rly | micols: but the problem occurs _right_ now. |
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| 13:00.12 | bony | !man |
| 13:00.13 | dpkg | it has been said that man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable tab completion in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp> or "man $manpage" e.g. <man ls>. See also <docs> <grounding>. |
| 13:00.22 | rly | micols: if I restart the process, I lose the current state. |
| 13:00.38 | micols | rly: don't know then sorry |
| 13:01.19 | valdyn | rly: you think gdb is a good idea to debug the lisp code? |
| 13:02.49 | rly | valdyn: I doubt it is the lisp code. |
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| 13:03.37 | rly | valdyn: I specified the problem, if you know of an actual useful contribution, you can say that instead. |
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| 13:04.07 | valdyn | rly: yes, sure |
| 13:04.31 | raven | how to run an AVM FritzCard classic (ISA) with debian? |
| 13:04.42 | valdyn | rly: i dont think its even possible but i sure as hell dont know how |
| 13:05.09 | rly | valdyn: why is there no emacs-dbg package, btw? |
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| 13:05.26 | valdyn | rly: i dont know |
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| 13:06.21 | valdyn | rly: maybe the lisp interpreter is provably correct ;) |
| 13:06.53 | rly | valdyn: I don't think Coq existed then ;) |
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| 13:07.16 | valdyn | rly: i can see there there has been emacs -dbg packages |
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| 13:07.56 | valdyn | rly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606229 |
| 13:08.59 | rly | I always wonder whether anyone actually fixes the bugs. |
| 13:09.21 | valdyn | rly: its a wishlist bug |
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| 13:09.50 | rly | It would be nice to have some sort of 'yes, I try to fix every problem that comes up within one week commitment' from package maintainers. |
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| 13:10.14 | valdyn | rly: i agree that this would probably be easy in this case, but for many bugs thats hardly realistic |
| 13:10.32 | rly | If the number of bugs only grows, what's the point of a 'maintainer'? |
| 13:10.40 | rly | E.g. Firefox 10 year old bugs, etc. |
| 13:11.01 | valdyn | rly: you shouldnt be *that* new to software development |
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| 13:11.16 | valdyn | rly: theres no softare where the number of bugs does not grow |
| 13:11.33 | ansgar | rly: There is a simple way to solve that: do better. |
| 13:11.54 | valdyn | rly: or that should say, "where the reported number of bugs does not grow" |
| 13:12.21 | rly | valdyn: I meant the absolute difference between the amount of reported bugs and the number of fixed bugs. |
| 13:12.35 | valdyn | rly: same deal, that has to grow over time |
| 13:12.51 | valdyn | rly: only the ratio can realistically be kept down |
| 13:13.52 | raven | how to run an AVM FritzCard classic (ISA) with debian? |
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| 13:14.10 | valdyn | raven: isa is hard, especially isapnp crap |
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| 13:14.24 | valdyn | raven: if you can, configure the card in windows first |
| 13:14.28 | raven | valdyn, but what is the approach |
| 13:14.57 | valdyn | raven: fritz cards save configuration on the card iirc |
| 13:15.15 | valdyn | raven: once its configured you just load the linux driver with the approriate options |
| 13:15.39 | rly | ansgar: every feature I ever worked on has worked and currently has no open bugs. |
| 13:15.50 | valdyn | raven: isapnptools is no longer in debian iirc. That's for "real" isapnp cards. Fritz isa is not one of those iirc |
| 13:16.06 | raven | i was able already to send a fax within an eisfair configuration with that card so i think it must be possible to adress it with debian too? |
| 13:16.21 | rly | ansgar: that's why I am so amazed that other people apparently don't manage to do this. |
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| 13:16.45 | valdyn | rly: i really dont knwo where you come from to claim bugless software exists |
| 13:19.12 | valdyn | raven: you can always use the preset configuration for that fritz card, but you probably dont know it and/or it will probably be wrong for your current system, but it might work yes |
| 13:19.49 | raven | valdyn, do you know any commands to simulate that? anything to see if its alvie |
| 13:19.51 | raven | alive |
| 13:19.52 | valdyn | raven: the ioport is set via jumper and the ioport is software configured (which i did on windows) |
| 13:20.37 | valdyn | raven: just load the driver and see "modprobe hisax io=0x220 irq=7" or whatever, this is 10 years ago, I dont remember the actual command |
| 13:21.17 | valdyn | raven: or buy a pci card |
| 13:21.35 | raven | valdyn, yes that would be easier ^^ |
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| 13:22.30 | rly | valdyn: I am a fairly heavy user of staticically typed programming languages. Perhaps that helps; in some of these languages it is almost impossible to write a wrong program. |
| 13:22.40 | rly | statically* |
| 13:22.52 | valdyn | raven: fritz isa is not standard compliant isapnp anyway |
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| 13:24.55 | valdyn | raven: so what you would do is read the ioport from the card and try interrupts till it works |
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| 13:29.20 | Night_Elf|2 | Hi all. A stupid question, but anyhow... At the right side of the top panel of gnome, just between the time indicator and the window selector, there has appeared a number, '04'. Clicking or rightclicking on it does nothing. What can that be? |
| 13:29.35 | primeras | hi. My english isn't very well. I want to PHP PDO install on Debian. But fails |
| 13:29.36 | primeras | http://pastebin.com/RqcVqSfy |
| 13:30.25 | primeras | i downloaded PDO-1.0.3.tgz. but not compiling |
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| 13:31.14 | mah454 | How can understand what user's is online in LDAP ? |
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| 13:40.37 | ruwen | hi guys |
| 13:41.12 | ruwen | i am using testing and did a full-upgrade yesterday. now i got gnome3. but when i login, i just got a background wallpaper and nothing else |
| 13:41.17 | ruwen | no menus etc |
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| 13:45.21 | rypervenche | ruwen: !gnome3 |
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| 13:45.30 | rypervenche | !gnome3 | ruwen |
| 13:45.32 | ruwen | !gnome3 |
| 13:45.41 | rypervenche | Hmm.. |
| 13:45.46 | ruwen | !gnome3 |
| 13:45.56 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 13:45.56 | ruwen | ah |
| 13:46.06 | ruwen | i already figured out that gnome3 is there |
| 13:46.12 | ruwen | !gnome-shell |
| 13:46.13 | dpkg | The GNOME Shell is the core user interface for the <GNOME> desktop as of version 3, replacing GNOME Panel. http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org. See also <mutter>. |
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| 13:47.55 | auREAX | I don't want no GNOME3 |
| 13:47.58 | auREAX | :( |
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| 13:48.18 | ruwen | looks like my hardware doesnt support it |
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| 13:49.18 | ruwen | time to try kde :) |
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| 13:54.21 | m8 | debian wheezy has switched to gnome3? |
| 13:54.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:55.00 | anacrolix | damnit |
| 13:55.15 | anacrolix | this gnome3 thing has got to stop |
| 13:55.39 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:56.38 | themill | Ahh... the latest and greatest is all well and good until you suddenly don't want it, isn't it. Install squeeze and get on with life. |
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| 14:05.09 | EagleRock | !moving target |
| 14:05.10 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
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| 14:08.01 | mads- | I have just modified my /etc/network/interfaces so my eth0 gets a static IP - how do I refresh it ? |
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| 14:08.25 | abrotman | ifdown/ifup |
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| 14:09.00 | Sh4dowcat | hey guys |
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| 14:09.07 | Sh4dowcat | is there any software like Remote Desktop for Linux? |
| 14:09.17 | Sh4dowcat | like where you can connect, get a graphical login screen, and login? |
| 14:09.23 | abrotman | vnc ? |
| 14:09.37 | Sh4dowcat | yeah... but that doesn't afford me a login screen |
| 14:10.01 | abrotman | it can if you configure it correctly |
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| 14:10.09 | abrotman | also, remote X |
| 14:10.14 | Sh4dowcat | hmm, is there a guide? |
| 14:10.16 | Sh4dowcat | remote X? |
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| 14:14.22 | Devastator | is there a way to store a calltrace if it happens after "will now halt" message? |
| 14:14.36 | Devastator | or taking a photo is my only option? |
| 14:14.44 | jelly-home | Devastator: serial console? |
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| 14:15.40 | Devastator | jelly-home: hum, interesting, do you know if usb-to-serial adaptors works for this? |
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| 14:16.40 | pikaro | hi! I've got a bunch of lines in my dpkg-statoverride config that override several important executables' modes to 000 when upgrading or reinstalling packages. problem is, I do not know where they come from and which lines can be removed. can a debian-savvy person maybe pastebin their /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride file for me to compare? |
| 14:16.59 | SachinDey | Is there a multimedia repository for debian with a LOWLATENCY REALTIME kernel |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | no |
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| 14:17.22 | MoonTiger | hey guys |
| 14:17.27 | pikaro | and do you maybe know what could have put them there? do hardening tools like bastille do something like that? |
| 14:17.42 | MoonTiger | just wanted to say thanks for a great distro ... i have testing up and running and it's awesome :) |
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| 14:18.44 | SachinDey | So do i have to compile a LOWLATENCY kernel myself from |
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| 14:19.17 | skilz | Hey I have a problem, when I close my laptop lid, the screen turns off, it doesnt suspend, how do I enable suspend? Im running fluxbox if that helps. |
| 14:19.44 | abrotman | SachinDey: yes, have fun |
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| 14:21.12 | SachinDey | If i have any issues i'll come back here again to meet Debian gods. Namaste! |
| 14:21.18 | themill | pikaro: is this a machine where a previous admin would have "improved" security by disabling commands like that? |
| 14:21.59 | pikaro | nope, I'm root |
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| 14:22.51 | pikaro | but I'm guessing Bastille is to blame, google just told me there was a short-lived bug that produced this behavior... |
| 14:23.02 | Devastator | i hope sachindey understood that while compiling the kernel himself he won't get support for it |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | nope |
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| 14:24.02 | pikaro | now I just need to know which entried there ought to be in /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride and which ones are excessive |
| 14:24.07 | Devastator | what a lowlatency kernel is used for anyway: |
| 14:24.12 | jelly-home | Devastator: I have no idea, guess it depends on the panic mode |
| 14:24.36 | themill | pikaro: in general, you would have very few entries in there at all |
| 14:24.37 | jelly-home | (Re: usb serial) |
| 14:25.06 | Devastator | jelly-home: thanks, i guess photo will do the trick and it's easier hehe |
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| 14:29.54 | pikaro | I pastebinned the config here: http://pastebin.com/FxFjxsRk |
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| 14:31.27 | themill | pikaro: all of the "root root 0" lines can go; the other ones look standard |
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| 14:32.47 | pikaro | great, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:33.22 | SachinDey | Does anyone has the link for the LOWLATENCY kernel source? |
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| 14:41.06 | m8 | abrotman, end where is the destkop icons? |
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| 14:48.25 | BusMaster | does debian testing have KDE 4.6? |
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| 14:49.50 | babilen | BusMaster: It does -- See http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ for further information from the KDE maintainers |
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| 14:50.13 | BusMaster | babilen, thanks |
| 14:50.32 | babilen | BusMaster: You are welcome |
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| 14:53.07 | skilz | How do I change the size of my gtk font? |
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| 15:10.05 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 15:10.35 | ZenWalker | mate desktop (fork gnome 2 ) is on debian repositories? |
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| 15:11.41 | babilen | ZenWalker: No, but you can ask in #mate for support. |
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| 15:14.29 | ZenWalker | babilen: thanks, and trinity (fork kde3) ? |
| 15:16.30 | themill | ZenWalker: there's a #trinity-desktop on this network too; no it's not in Debian and neither of these projects are likely to be. |
| 15:16.33 | arghx | !trinity |
| 15:16.34 | dpkg | Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 packaged). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>. |
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| 15:18.06 | rotflcopter | !neo |
| 15:18.07 | dpkg | it has been said that neo is tha masta of murda so whatch ya back |
| 15:18.14 | rotflcopter | !matrix |
| 15:18.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, matrix is the coolest movie that ever existed. If you want to know what it is about, then go watch it . |
| 15:18.21 | ZenWalker | thanks all |
| 15:18.51 | rotflcopter | !! |
| 15:18.52 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 15:20.40 | jelly-home | rotflcopter: use /msg dpkg stuff |
| 15:20.41 | themill | rotflcopter: you can play with the bot in a /msg. |
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| 15:21.17 | tidux | A few weeks ago, I found packages in the repositories for various gnome shell extensions - the "real shutdown button" extension, etc. |
| 15:21.19 | tidux | now they're gone |
| 15:21.31 | tidux | not in Wheezy, Sid, or even Experimental |
| 15:21.33 | tidux | why? |
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| 15:27.50 | mads- | Hi. I am trying to install debian on my laptop. It has just been running Windows 7 quite nice, so I don't know why it will not run Debian. It's Squeeze amd64 and when I turn on X it looks like this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4303912/IMAG0069.jpg even though I reinstall. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:28.48 | arghx | mads-: what hardware does your laptop use? |
| 15:30.24 | mads- | arghx: NVIDIA GeForce Go 6100 128 MB, if you're thinking it might could be the graphic |
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| 15:33.26 | arghx | could be. install debian without a desktop environment. does it boot then? |
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| 15:34.06 | arghx | could be the new open source driver for nvidia chips, nouveau, is buggy with your videocard |
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| 15:34.49 | Woet | can someone explain the logic behind "partman-auto-raid/recipe" and it's harddisk references? all guides I find use sda1, sda5 and sda6 with absolutely no explanation of the sudden jump |
| 15:35.07 | arghx | sda5 and up are extended partitions |
| 15:35.35 | Woet | okay |
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| 15:35.42 | Woet | makes sense |
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| 15:39.34 | marlun | If I add the line "SendEnv LANG LC_*" to my /etc/ssh_config file, what does it actually do? I had it set on my osx laptop and when I connected to a debian server I got a lot of errors about locale. |
| 15:41.09 | Minus_UI | Hello, fellow Debian User - I am new to Linux and GNU though I find Debian interesting as an alternative to win and OSX. |
| 15:41.47 | dbelange_ | Minus_UI: }-{ello my future girlfriend |
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| 15:42.25 | themill | looks at dbelange_ |
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| 15:43.11 | babilen | Minus_UI: Welcome! Do you have any questions or is there something we can help you with? |
| 15:43.17 | themill | marlun: it asks the remote host to try to match your local language settings. OSX and Debian don't use the same values for some of these settings which causes noisy warnings. |
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| 15:45.45 | Woet | stockholm: are you here? |
| 15:45.53 | marlun | themill: Is it OK to just comment out the SendEnv line in my /etc/ssh_config? |
| 15:46.39 | themill | marlun: it means your remote machines won't automatically pick up your local language settings (e.g. date format and language in "ls"). Other than that, it's not an issue |
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| 15:47.09 | marlun | ah ok, thanks for the help :) |
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| 15:51.53 | wart___ | hmm so sudo apt-file search wpa_cli tells me wpasupplicant provides /sbin/wpa_cli; but sudo dpkg -L wpasupplicant doesn't list it |
| 15:52.04 | wart___ | i'm probably confused; i mean the file is there. i was just curious who owned it |
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| 15:52.30 | wart___ | oh wait the file isn't there. |
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| 15:54.20 | hardwarehank | So, I just installed Debian Wheezy, and I'm using the default GNOME 3 desktop. I have 2 monitors, one above the other. Whenever I open a gnome-terminal (and various other programs) the window size is extremely small horizontally (maybe 100px), and about 200px tall. I have gnome-terminal set to open at a specific col/row size, but it has no effect. Any idea where this default window size setting is? |
| 15:54.35 | wart___ | also every time i run apt-get whatever it says: 1 not fully installed or removed (namely linux-image-2.6.32-5-versatile and it tries to then set it up, e.g. runs depmod etc and it fails of course |
| 15:54.42 | wart___ | can i "block that" or remove it |
| 15:55.07 | arghx | wart___: you can remove it when there are no dependency problems |
| 15:56.27 | wart___ | arghx: how? |
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| 15:58.14 | wart___ | i also have a wpa_supplicant question; for some reason, my ap stops showing up on the list of available aps via scan_results |
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| 15:58.23 | wart___ | it'll sometimes be there and sometimes not. |
| 15:58.26 | wart___ | this is unique to this device. |
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| 15:58.58 | jemadux | i have clear debian os .. can i trans-make it lmde ?? |
| 15:59.11 | wart___ | arghx: can i just do a sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-5-versatile? |
| 15:59.27 | TechDesk | oO |
| 15:59.49 | TechDesk | dpkg --purge |
| 15:59.49 | dpkg | no idea, TechDesk |
| 16:00.29 | wart___ | TechDesk: was that for me? |
| 16:00.37 | TechDesk | yes |
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| 16:05.10 | wart___ | jsut that command? or with the package name? |
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| 16:05.36 | TechDesk | with package name |
| 16:05.52 | wart___ | it says that package isn't installed |
| 16:05.54 | wart___ | which is true |
| 16:06.00 | wart___ | because it can't install it, it fails each time. |
| 16:06.03 | wart___ | i jsut want it to stop trying |
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| 16:07.35 | raven | munin possible to use it without webinterface? |
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| 16:16.01 | raven | munin possible to use it without webinterface? |
| 16:16.34 | imran-uk | has anyone got the touchpad controls enabled on a dell latitude e6410 |
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| 16:17.08 | imran-uk | theres an annoying glitch where the cursor will just move elsewhere in a doc when i type, i'm sure its the toucpad |
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| 16:18.24 | wart___ | hmm, where does console-kit-daemon get launched? i don't have any apps that need it |
| 16:21.03 | raven | munin possible to use it without webinterface? |
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| 16:21.42 | themill | dpkg: tell raven about repeat |
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| 16:21.52 | firenode_iLX | Hello I am new to Linux - are there any good websites to ease the noob in to linux? |
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| 16:24.05 | TechDesk | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
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| 16:24.58 | firenode_iLX | Thanks |
| 16:25.07 | firenode_iLX | Linuxist |
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| 16:28.23 | wart___ | another question: i like dhcpcd over dhclient (or whatever the default debian is). so i did an apt-get install dhcpcd (worked fine) and then tried a apt-get remove dhclient and it says it can't remove a "virtual" package like dhclient |
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| 16:30.33 | themill | wart___: dhclient is the binary, not the name of the package. Use dpkg -S to work out what package a binary is from. |
| 16:31.14 | wart___ | ok its isc-dhcp-client |
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| 16:33.06 | wart___ | thanks |
| 16:33.34 | imran-uk | how do i report a bug that touchpad scrolling is not working on my laptop? |
| 16:33.43 | imran-uk | i'm not sure what package it relates to |
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| 16:34.00 | dvs | imran-uk: use two fingers |
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| 16:35.18 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: what laptop is it? |
| 16:36.05 | imran-uk | dvs, two-finger scrolling does not function afaict |
| 16:36.32 | imran-uk | goshawk1, dell latitude e6410 - some google-fu mentions kernel bugs |
| 16:37.05 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: that would be "xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" |
| 16:37.35 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: but, are you sure there is an issue with the driver and not configuration? |
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| 16:39.42 | mads- | I'm trying to install my nvidia driver but it somehow can't due to the noveaou (spelling) kernel. Can I install an older kernel in order for it to work? |
| 16:39.47 | imran-uk | goshawk1, possibly config. the touchpad is working but the finger scroll does not work. also there are not controls exposed in the settings. i think maybe a driver issue in the sense that this laptop works fine with windows (it's win7/debian squeeze dual boot) |
| 16:40.39 | imran-uk | goshawk1, thanks - that package name is what i want http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 16:41.30 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: I'm skeptical of an issue with the driver because that is a fairly popular laptop to run linux on, I would assume that this has been reported and fixed by now |
| 16:42.10 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: dells in general i mean, are popular for this |
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| 16:42.26 | technologov | hi guys ! Where can I read about Debian's stable release maintenance guides/policy ? |
| 16:42.45 | imran-uk | goshawk1, how would i get the fix? i'm on the latop now? system reports "up-to-date"? |
| 16:42.46 | mufflon | imran: it seems, that your tp is recognized as a generic mouse |
| 16:42.53 | technologov | AFAIK - Debian allows only patches to be back-ported, not full versions for debian-updates. |
| 16:42.59 | imran-uk | mufflon, thats my understanding too |
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| 16:43.24 | mufflon | take a look in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 16:43.36 | imran-uk | goshawk1, replace my ?'s with .'s |
| 16:45.02 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: so, you already have it then. do a "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" as mufflon suggests |
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| 16:46.06 | goshawk1 | imran-uk: you're looking for "ALPS" or, more likely, "Synaptic" in he output |
| 16:46.13 | capaun | ciao |
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| 16:50.11 | mufflon | imran: do u have tpconfig installed? then try tpconfig -i |
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| 17:09.57 | hardwarehank | So, I just installed Debian Wheezy, and I'm using the default GNOME 3 desktop. I have 2 monitors, one above the other. Whenever I open a gnome-terminal (and various other programs) the window size is extremely small horizontally (maybe 100px), and about 200px tall. I have gnome-terminal set to open at a specific col/row size, but it has no effect. Any idea where this default window size setting is? |
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| 17:10.46 | goshawk1 | tried to like gnome 3, I really tried ... |
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| 17:15.36 | wart___ | am i blind: i need the flash plugin (for chromium) and did an aptitude search flash and none of those look to be it |
| 17:15.39 | wart___ | does it have a funky name? |
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| 17:17.00 | raven | tightvncserver and access on display 1 - d key minimizes windows and no rights to do anything on the screen - whats going on there? |
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| 17:18.29 | imran-uk | mufflon, just installed tpconfig. -i detects it as synaptics, expects ALPS. |
| 17:18.37 | themill | dpkg: tell wart___ about install flash |
| 17:18.51 | hardwarehank | wart___: flashplugin-nonfree worked for me in testing |
| 17:19.17 | [sr] | people |
| 17:19.20 | [sr] | i'm going nuts |
| 17:19.21 | hardwarehank | wart___: I also removed gnash, since it was there by default and doesn't work with youtube well. |
| 17:19.28 | [sr] | where's the start page for the bug report system? |
| 17:19.33 | [sr] | i'm going round and round |
| 17:19.38 | themill | [sr]: reportbug? |
| 17:20.12 | wart___ | oh right i forgot about debian and its nonfree business |
| 17:20.20 | imran-uk | somethings up as i have disabled tapmode but i can double-tap to bring windows to the front |
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| 17:21.06 | [sr] | themill: i want to do it on the bugzilla page |
| 17:21.18 | themill | [sr]: debian doesn't use bugzilla |
| 17:21.25 | themill | (thankfully) |
| 17:21.30 | [sr] | are you sure? |
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| 17:21.37 | [sr] | i have bugs that reported them there |
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| 17:24.04 | [sr] | themill: maybe you can help, i'm in SID, and the last bind9 package, fails to complete install |
| 17:24.55 | mufflon | imran: perhaps its worth a try, seems a missing firmware driver: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62034 |
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| 17:25.05 | themill | dpkg: tell [sr] about errors |
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| 17:25.25 | [sr] | he's on vacation.. :p |
| 17:25.37 | themill | no he's not. Also, why are you using sid? |
| 17:25.38 | [sr] | ah does a pvt |
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| 17:26.39 | [sr] | themill: http://pastebin.com/mGmg7YF8 |
| 17:27.22 | [sr] | just updated from a 9.7x package |
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| 17:29.22 | xok | hello guys.. |
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| 17:29.31 | xok | I am experiencing problems on my laptop... |
| 17:29.49 | xok | the fn key doesn't work any more... |
| 17:29.59 | wart___ | hmm, so i added to sources.list: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 17:30.12 | wart___ | dand did an aptitude update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:30.12 | xok | I can't increase/decrease volume nor brightness... |
| 17:30.15 | wart___ | still says it can't find it |
| 17:30.17 | xok | can anyone help me?... |
| 17:31.01 | imran-uk | mufflon, i think a driver issue. lots of chatter here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/550625?comments=all |
| 17:31.47 | themill | wart___: did that apt-get update actually complete successfully? |
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| 17:33.13 | xok | wart___: aptitude update && aptitude do_something << doesn't work for me... |
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| 17:33.25 | xok | wart___: try: aptitude update; aptitude do_something |
| 17:34.05 | xok | it sometimes returns non-zero values so it makes '&&' not to work... |
| 17:34.05 | themill | [sr]: are you running named in some sort of chroot? |
| 17:34.25 | wart___ | themill: yes |
| 17:34.35 | wart___ | xok: yeah that was shorthand; i didn't do that in practice |
| 17:34.36 | [sr] | themill: just the debian defaults, didn't changed any conf, just use it for recursive |
| 17:35.14 | wart___ | here's what sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree states: |
| 17:35.15 | wart___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.35 | themill | wart___: the reason I ask is that ftp.uk.d.o is having a bad day |
| 17:36.02 | xok | wart___: try: apt-get update |
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| 17:36.24 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
| 17:36.42 | wart___ | xok: that says it is done |
| 17:36.49 | wart___ | xok: it says it included nonfree and contrib, fwiw |
| 17:36.52 | wart___ | xok: with no errors |
| 17:36.56 | kristian-aalborg | who was the guy I was talking thinkpad BIOS with yesterday? |
| 17:37.59 | [sr] | themill: where are the directory of the chroot? maybe it needs the openssl .so file to be there also and wasn't copied |
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| 17:42.29 | [sr] | themill: confirmed and no chroot, just starting using normal user "bind" |
| 17:42.31 | [sr] | -u bind |
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| 17:46.00 | rald | hello |
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| 17:49.08 | da2ce7 | hello, |
| 17:49.45 | da2ce7 | I've copied a newly compiled lib to /usr/local/lib |
| 17:50.05 | da2ce7 | when I run ldconfig, it isn't creating the symbolic link to the root version: |
| 17:50.15 | da2ce7 | /usr/local/lib: |
| 17:50.16 | da2ce7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.54 | da2ce7 | i was expecting it to create a symolic link called "libotapi-java.so" |
| 17:51.14 | da2ce7 | I used the command: ldconfig -n -v /usr/local/lib |
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| 17:51.39 | alecjw | hi there, why does gcc-avr have no installation candidate in testing? |
| 17:55.24 | technologov | some Q about Debian kernel: Does Debian-stable backport drivers from new Linux ? (I know RHEL do it) |
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| 17:55.26 | brainsoft | apache2 -S |
| 17:55.26 | brainsoft | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 17:55.29 | brainsoft | how do i fix this? |
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| 17:56.52 | themill | [sr]: I've seen one other report like that but not a resolution. Report the bug and see if you can help the maintainer figure it out. |
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| 18:03.11 | mufflon | brainsoft: apache should started from init.d, cause there are some special variables set |
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| 18:04.42 | [sr] | themill: already dne it during the week, no feedback so far |
| 18:05.01 | themill | [sr]: there's no bug in the bts about this. |
| 18:05.32 | [sr] | themill: ok lets wait, i've replaced the bind job by the google public dns |
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| 18:13.29 | brainsoft | any idea about why im receiving 404 from www.host.com but normal response from host.com (without www?) this is senseless for me |
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| 18:14.34 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is there a way, with aptitude to know part of what package is a given command? |
| 18:14.52 | kurkale6ka | ex: where can I find virt-install? |
| 18:15.04 | petemc | use apt-file search |
| 18:15.14 | kurkale6ka | no results |
| 18:16.58 | kurkale6ka | petemc: with aptitude? |
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| 18:18.36 | petemc | no |
| 18:18.48 | petemc | well, you can install apt-file with aptitude if you want |
| 18:19.37 | kurkale6ka | sure |
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| 18:19.51 | somiaj | packages.debian.org also will search, but then you have to use a webinterface. |
| 18:20.19 | kurkale6ka | right |
| 18:23.11 | purpleoptic | apt-cache search packagename works too :P |
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| 18:24.13 | kurkale6ka | purpleoptic: yes but only if you know the exact package name. right? |
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| 18:24.51 | Raazeer | hi all |
| 18:25.01 | purpleoptic | well I did apt-cache search virt-install and it came back with the package virtinst |
| 18:25.16 | purpleoptic | depends how close you are I suppose |
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| 18:26.14 | kurkale6ka | purpleoptic: hmm, ok, in fact apt-file returned: virtinst: /usr/bin/virt-install... useless! |
| 18:28.55 | petemc | how is that useless? |
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| 18:31.23 | somiaj | not all packages contain keywords in their description/name/etc to make searching for a file within them possible. Which is where apt-file comes into play |
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| 18:35.25 | humbolt | Disaster has struck! |
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| 18:36.01 | humbolt | My partner did reformat an NTFS partition with ext4, now we try to recover the data. |
| 18:36.11 | humbolt | Is there any chance of success? |
| 18:37.24 | ompaul | humbolt: see your comment on disaster has struck, I very much doubt you can do anything, you could try a cd called Recovery is possible but that is offtopic for here |
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| 18:38.08 | somiaj | humbolt: what kind of format? Was it a quick (or full) format? If it only rewrote the filesystem table (but not the data on the disk) you could get a pice of software to comb the disk piece by piece to try to find any files and recover them. |
| 18:39.11 | humbolt | somiaj: the "disk utility" was used for formatting the drive. |
| 18:39.14 | somiaj | humbolt: I know there are tools to recover data form ntfs filesystem, but I can't recall the name. This takes a while and may only get some of the data back. |
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| 18:40.26 | humbolt | somiaj: the new FS is ext4. I am wondering, if ext4 puts its FS data at the same place on the disk or does spread this info all over the place (potentially overwriting ntfs data). |
| 18:40.28 | peterrooney | such programs are called file carving tools |
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| 18:41.42 | somiaj | humbolt: yes it could have overwritten some data, but unless you did a secure/complete format (and zeroed the whole disk) most of the data can be recovered. Though the filesystem itself cannot be. |
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| 18:43.04 | humbolt | Does anybody know the name of an ntfs file recovery tool? |
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| 18:43.32 | ompaul | humbolt: see your comment on disaster has struck, I very much doubt you can do anything, you could try a cd called Recovery is possible but that is offtopic for here |
| 18:43.51 | somiaj | humbolt: its a slow process and you will have to go though the files one at a time afterwards to find any of the data you may want/need |
| 18:44.00 | peterrooney | humbolt: you might try the scalpel package. |
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| 18:44.16 | petemc | humbolt: ive used ontrack with some success |
| 18:44.27 | propman | humbolt: not sure if it's in debian repo's but you may want to check for a package called testdisk. |
| 18:44.34 | peterrooney | humbolt: expect it to run for days and days and longer than that. |
| 18:44.56 | dioz_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/scrounge-ntfs |
| 18:45.03 | dioz_ | there's lots of packages |
| 18:45.08 | dioz_ | lrn2use packages.debian.org |
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| 18:45.52 | jiltdil | @firefox |
| 18:46.20 | jiltdil | How to get info from bot ? |
| 18:46.24 | jiltdil | !firefox |
| 18:46.25 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net |
| 18:47.07 | alazare619 | !fstab |
| 18:47.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
| 18:47.13 | jiltdil | !iceweasel |
| 18:47.13 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 18:47.14 | alazare619 | !grub-pc |
| 18:47.14 | ompaul | !tell alazare619 about selftell |
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| 18:47.26 | ompaul | !tell jiltdil about selftell |
| 18:48.12 | jiltdil | ompaul, Thanks |
| 18:48.17 | ompaul | you're welcome |
| 18:48.29 | lamah | jiltdil: no, http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:48.35 | lamah | do that |
| 18:48.54 | jiltdil | lamah, thanks But please tell me why there is no firefox ? |
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| 18:49.13 | alazare619 | iceweasel is firefox |
| 18:49.17 | lamah | jiltdil: it's firefox, but name is other, the debian name iceweasel - it's a firefox based |
| 18:49.19 | alazare619 | its rebranded to avoid copyright conflicts |
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| 18:49.35 | jiltdil | lamah, alazare619 Thanks |
| 18:49.36 | ompaul | trademark issues around the icons |
| 18:49.49 | jiltdil | ompaul, thanks alot :) |
| 18:49.57 | alazare619 | that and they couldnt patch firefox and keep the name and deb is all about security you know |
| 18:50.03 | Raazeer | If you ask me, the whole thing is basicly rediculous. |
| 18:50.08 | metaspike | the fact its openousrce wasn't enough, it had to be liberated... heh. |
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| 18:50.48 | lamah | i don't think so, i think debian wants to have separate package for browsing/grown, who have agreement with firefox |
| 18:51.34 | ompaul | the problem was the security one, the answer to that was no you can't fix it and release the fix and call if firefox, debian said, right so, iceweasel |
| 18:51.37 | technologov | u speak about FFox/Iceweasel problem? |
| 18:51.50 | technologov | FFox dropped support for v3.x... |
| 18:51.53 | ompaul | it's not a problem, and it is well documented elsewhere |
| 18:51.59 | technologov | not way to keep supporting it and use FFox brand |
| 18:52.34 | technologov | Debian group _had_ to drop FFox brand in order to support v3.x code-base |
| 18:52.44 | jiltdil | in iceweasel video playing in youtube has no option for maximizatin ??/ |
| 18:52.53 | technologov | Rules at Debian disallow to upgrade versions. |
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| 18:53.11 | technologov | And I fully agree with those rules (else I would be using Fedora) |
| 18:53.27 | technologov | This way we prevent regressions from happening |
| 18:53.39 | technologov | and let users use same extensions, without fear to break them |
| 18:53.52 | technologov | and keep IceWeseal secure |
| 18:53.59 | simonlnu | jiltdil: that's flash, nothing to do with the browser, and yes there is... |
| 18:54.26 | metaspike | jiltdil: i have no problem with that recently, you might want to have a look at "muplayer" and "flashvideoreplacer" anywho. |
| 18:54.48 | jiltdil | metaspike: simonlnu thanks |
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| 18:55.52 | technologov | at first I disliked Debian's fork off FFox (because I did not understood the real problem) |
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| 18:56.24 | technologov | But after learned the real problem -- I support Debian's decision to fork FFox into IceWeasel. And see it as a wise choice, long-term. |
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| 19:01.27 | Hodapp | it never accepts my username/password. |
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| 19:13.38 | l3on | Someone of you know if ther's a standard way to request a new package version of some application in debian?... I mean, in the mail which tag/title/etc.. I have to use ? |
| 19:13.53 | valdyn | Hodapp: looking at the tomcat-users.xml file i guess you put the user entry into xml comments |
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| 19:15.35 | valdyn | l3on: in stable? |
| 19:15.45 | l3on | valdyn, no unstable |
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| 19:15.55 | jordanm | l3on: file a wishlist bug against the package |
| 19:16.08 | l3on | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:16.12 | Hodapp | valdyn: No, I didn't. |
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| 19:16.59 | valdyn | Hodapp: show us your file.. we cant know what you did wrong |
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| 19:22.13 | Hodapp | valdyn: I got it... for whatever reason the stock configuration in server.xml was looking for tomcat-users.xml in the wrong place |
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| 19:35.38 | igel | Hi. I have a file, and ls -l says, the owner is "nes". It also says the owner has write rights. whoami says I'm "nes". Yet, I can't write into the file. Why? |
| 19:35.58 | igel | Maybe I should mention … the file was restored from a backup. Possibly before user "nes" existed. |
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| 19:36.06 | igel | Still, I find this confusing. |
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| 19:36.24 | ompaul | igel: type ls -l the file and whoami and put them in paste.debian.net thank |
| 19:36.25 | ompaul | s |
| 19:36.32 | Bushmills | igel, the file may reside on a read-only file system |
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| 19:37.28 | Danyt | ciao |
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| 19:37.30 | Danyt | !list |
| 19:37.31 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 19:37.37 | Datz | your text editor may complain of a read only buffer |
| 19:37.45 | igel | ompaul: Here's the output: http://pastebin.com/yysWdXCe |
| 19:37.47 | Danyt | perche devo andare via? |
| 19:38.04 | simonlnu | Danyt: there's no warez here |
| 19:38.44 | Danyt | ok |
| 19:38.50 | igel | Bushmills: su can happily change it. |
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| 19:40.05 | ompaul | igel: owned by pop group nes |
| 19:40.48 | igel | ompaul: oh. |
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| 19:46.18 | aPpYe | how are fglrx drivers working for video acceleration in linux these days? I can't seem to find a straight answer via google... i am thinking of picking up a nettop box with radeon hd 4330 |
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| 19:47.25 | ompaul | aPpYe: cos there is none and tbh if you buy it and it breaks tomorrow blame ati not linux we didn't write the driver it was stuck in from outside, the code hurts their pride etc |
| 19:47.37 | AimHere | The ones I use mostly work fine, modulo some windows games in wine |
| 19:47.55 | AimHere | Obviously, YMMV and what ompaul says |
| 19:48.06 | ompaul | aims there :) |
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| 19:49.59 | un214 | I need to adjust GUI colors for accessability reasons |
| 19:50.09 | un214 | how do I do that? |
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| 19:50.19 | AimHere | Depends on your gui |
| 19:50.25 | un214 | KDE |
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| 19:54.05 | jbrks | there a mirrors for testing? |
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| 19:54.37 | vins1 | hi |
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| 19:54.46 | vins1 | ciao |
| 19:54.53 | rozie | almost any mirror has stable/testing/unstable packages |
| 19:55.00 | vins1 | !list |
| 19:55.01 | dpkg | vins1: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:56.33 | vins1 | film |
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| 19:57.06 | jbrks | nm i found a close |
| 19:57.06 | alazare619 | im trying to preseed a debian install but its asking to connect to a mirror and i dont have networking enabled in the preseed how can i resolve this? |
| 19:57.19 | alazare619 | http://pastebin.com/xw662QCf |
| 19:57.22 | alazare619 | that is my preseed |
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| 20:21.13 | kristian-aalborg | I need to burn a the contents of a directory so that it's bootable - what to do? |
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| 20:23.52 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: are you trying to make a liveCD? |
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| 20:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: What do you want it to boot to? Are you trying to make a bootable backup? |
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| 20:28.21 | marlun | When trying to install lamp on a fresh debian install I'm getting this error: http://cl.ly/1w0P283n0n1j311B3Q1Z ...why is that? :) |
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| 20:29.05 | DrDenis | stora kukar |
| 20:29.09 | DrDenis | Hello |
| 20:29.23 | dondelelcaro | marlun: you can't have two different apache-mpm-* modules installed |
| 20:29.24 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, jhutchins neither.... it's quitea a long story |
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| 20:29.31 | kristian-aalborg | it's a bootdisk that I modded |
| 20:29.32 | dondelelcaro | marlun: you can either use prefork or worker |
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| 20:30.09 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: well what is your overall goal? Make a live image, make a custom installer? DebinLive contains all the tools if you want to make a custom boot/live image. |
| 20:30.09 | kristian-aalborg | I see it has some of those weirdly-named $000 files that start with a space |
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| 20:30.41 | dondelelcaro | marlun: and if you want php, you need prefork or itk. |
| 20:30.44 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, it's not Debian, it is a bios update |
| 20:30.50 | DrDenis | Is Ubuntu better than Debian? It's an interesting question |
| 20:30.54 | kristian-aalborg | but I'm using debian tools |
| 20:31.02 | kristian-aalborg | DrDenis, of course it is |
| 20:31.04 | kristian-aalborg | ducks |
| 20:31.16 | dondelelcaro | DrDenis: it's a question which isn't on topic here; you can ask in #ubuntu if you want |
| 20:31.19 | somiaj | DrDenis: not really, because 'better' is totally surjective. Most here think debian is better, which is why we stick with debian. |
| 20:31.20 | marlun | dondelelcaro: But why did debian choose them both? My install string was: sudo aptitude install apache2 php5 mysql-server php5-mysql |
| 20:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | So what did you start with as a bootable image? |
| 20:31.37 | DrDenis | somiaj, ah, that is very true |
| 20:31.52 | dondelelcaro | marlun: the default for apache2 is the worker |
| 20:32.05 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins, an IMG file that I downloaded and converted to an ISO so I could put it on a cd |
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| 20:32.09 | jhutchins_lt | DrDenis: You can also discuss it in #debian-offtopic, but you shouldn't assume that #debian users actually know anything about ubuntu. |
| 20:32.39 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: What was it originally intended to be on? A floppy? |
| 20:32.48 | kristian-aalborg | it works okay, but it had to be modded a bit... now I tried making an iso with genisoimage |
| 20:32.58 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins_lt, yes, but I have no floppy drive |
| 20:33.15 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: You can't simply write a floppy image to a CD and have it boot. |
| 20:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: This is for the thinkpad? |
| 20:34.21 | kristian-aalborg | jhutchins, yes it is |
| 20:34.23 | kristian-aalborg | and, I could |
| 20:34.36 | kristian-aalborg | after converting it to an iso |
| 20:35.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, there are programs that make it easy to update an iso, did you use one of those or what? |
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| 20:35.35 | kristian-aalborg | no |
| 20:36.09 | kristian-aalborg | all I need to do is replace one file |
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| 20:37.02 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg info isomaster |
| 20:37.03 | kristian-aalborg | aha! it seems I can just mount it and do what I have to, then unmount and burn again! |
| 20:37.11 | jhutchins_lt | ,info isomaster |
| 20:37.12 | judd | Package isomaster (otherosfs, optional) in squeeze/i386: A graphical CD image editor. Version: 1.3.7-2; Size: 201.2k; Installed: 1192k; Homepage: http://www.littlesvr.ca/isomaster/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/isomaster |
| 20:37.22 | dpkg | isomaster: (Graphical CD image editor), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.3.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 1256 kB |
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| 20:38.47 | jhutchins_lt | kristian-aalborg: http://www.bootdisk.com/ |
| 20:39.30 | da2ce7 | how do I do a 'cp fileA fileB', and make it silently fail if fileA is missing? |
| 20:39.50 | da2ce7 | it the manual there dosn't seem to be any ovious switch |
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| 20:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | da2ce7: Why? |
| 20:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | da2ce7: What's wrong with a "file not found" message? |
| 20:40.26 | da2ce7 | becasue I'm doing it in a makefile; |
| 20:40.39 | da2ce7 | and any error message stops the script. |
| 20:40.40 | kristian-aalborg | aha! I see the files have been packed into an .img |
| 20:40.47 | jbrks | hahah |
| 20:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | da2ce7: Shouldn't it produce an error? |
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| 20:40.56 | jbrks | da2ce7, you need scripting tutorial |
| 20:41.00 | da2ce7 | :S |
| 20:41.10 | jbrks | try using the return result code |
| 20:41.14 | jbrks | it's hidden |
| 20:41.16 | jbrks | lol |
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| 20:47.42 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, if you want me to make one for you it takes me 2 seconds.. I can upload a 2 meg iso |
| 20:47.43 | igel | Ok, one more question. The binary "squeak" is clearly there. What is bash saying?! http://pastebin.com/enTFUQXH |
| 20:49.13 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, this is a custom image |
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| 20:49.20 | kristian-aalborg | I had to edit a file in it |
| 20:49.32 | DrDenis | kristian-aalborg, are you Swedish? |
| 20:49.44 | kristian-aalborg | Danish |
| 20:49.50 | DrDenis | Stora snoppar |
| 20:49.53 | DrDenis | Ah, I see |
| 20:50.05 | DrDenis | Fy fan va skönt |
| 20:50.07 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, a bootable cd.. needs an emu-mode. If you burn a cd with disk-emu mode.. u need a special option to do 1.44 disk boot-emu, you can make an iso with mkisofs |
| 20:50.12 | da2ce7 | jhutchins_lt: find ./ -type f -name "Makefile" | sed -E 's~.*~cp "&" "./newname"~' |
| 20:50.14 | da2ce7 | ok? |
| 20:50.29 | da2ce7 | jhutchins_lt: find ./ -type f -name "filename" | sed -E 's~.*~cp "&" "./newname"~' |
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| 20:51.10 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, you can test floppy boot images with virtualbox/vmware before burning it to a bootablecd/disk-emu mode |
| 20:51.30 | da2ce7 | well ofcourse you need to pipe it into sh: find ./ -type f -name "filename" | sed -E 's~.*~cp "&" "./newname"~' | sh |
| 20:51.31 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, you don't convert the 1.44 disk image |
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| 20:52.01 | jbrks | (instead the 1.44 floppy image gets injected into the iso) |
| 20:52.33 | StephenS | I have one question |
| 20:52.34 | jbrks | if you mount the iso.. you won't see any files.. of course, because the bootimage is not within the iso9660 filesystem |
| 20:52.38 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/mounting-an-iso-image-and-editing-it-463906/ > |
| 20:52.42 | StephenS | when I tried to connect to my server smthg.com I get an failure |
| 20:52.44 | DrDenis | riktigt stora kukar |
| 20:52.49 | StephenS | from windows its okay, but from debian I get an error |
| 20:52.50 | DrDenis | Bye |
| 20:52.56 | kristian-aalborg | see the post by hjanzen |
| 20:53.00 | StephenS | its not up to me or my ip since I can connect with the same IP via windows |
| 20:53.10 | StephenS | Cannot display location "sftp://root@xshellz.com/" |
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| 20:53.18 | StephenS | Timed out when logging in. |
| 20:53.20 | jhambo | Hi folks. Running stable. Today some update appeared so I ran synaptic and updated acroread, google-chrome-stable, and icedove. Synaptic hung and didn't do anything for a good hour. I finally killed synaptic, restarted it and on the second try the upgrade went fine. Now the weird part. In iceweasel, my message text no longer appears in gmail. Gmail works fine in chrome. This problem appeared immediately after the aforementioned upgrade problems. Any |
| 20:53.36 | kristian-aalborg | copy, jbrks ? |
| 20:53.39 | StephenS | and I use Connect to Server, so is it possible my server was blocked from my system ? or upside down ? |
| 20:53.54 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, excuse me, what are you trying to do? bios update or your own linux distro ? |
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| 20:54.05 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, bios update |
| 20:54.18 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, so do as i say.. i've done this a million times |
| 20:54.34 | kristian-aalborg | I don't have a floppy drive |
| 20:54.46 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, did i say u need one? |
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| 20:55.00 | kristian-aalborg | what would the image do? |
| 20:55.05 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, did you check your pm? |
| 20:55.51 | kristian-aalborg | yes, I don't see what it is I should do with that image...? How would it install my bios? |
| 20:56.25 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, why not read up how cd's boot. Because you don't know |
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| 21:08.21 | StephenS | any answer? |
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| 21:09.19 | valdyn | StephenS: there can be a number of reasons, try from the command line. That enables us to exclude some sources of error |
| 21:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: What program were you using to connect? |
| 21:09.45 | StephenS | well yeah I did and there is a respond from command line |
| 21:10.04 | valdyn | StephenS: and what is the response? |
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| 21:10.20 | StephenS | response while connecting is kinda slow from terminal |
| 21:10.32 | StephenS | Im connecting via debian Places -> Connect to Server |
| 21:10.36 | StephenS | and picked up ssh session. |
| 21:10.55 | valdyn | StephenS: stick to the terminal for now... |
| 21:11.09 | valdyn | StephenS: at least if you want *me* to help |
| 21:11.22 | StephenS | yes I know but I really wants to use connect to server |
| 21:11.26 | StephenS | it gives me a windows enviroment. |
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| 21:11.46 | jhutchins_lt | You must be on Gnome. |
| 21:11.52 | valdyn | StephenS: I know, but were trying to find your error, not make things comfortable for you at the moment |
| 21:12.11 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: You should figure out the name of the program that launches when you pick that. It sounds like it might be VPN or a remote desktop. |
| 21:12.23 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: it should be nautilus |
| 21:12.25 | StephenS | might be, and yes Im gnome |
| 21:12.39 | StephenS | if you are on gnome you can checkit yourself, also where can I See an error since in var/log I Dont see nothing |
| 21:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | You're also running testing, something might have changed/broken. |
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| 21:13.01 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, do you know what the problem consists of? |
| 21:13.03 | valdyn | StephenS: i dont need log files for this |
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| 21:13.16 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: What kind of connection would nautilus open with a windows box? rdp? |
| 21:13.24 | valdyn | StephenS: but if you want me to debug nautilus and gvfsd before i know it works then forget it |
| 21:13.38 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: sftp in this case is ssh's sftp |
| 21:13.41 | StephenS | ha? |
| 21:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | Windows hosts sftp? |
| 21:14.30 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: oh, the url he showed was sftp:// |
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| 21:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: What is your native language? |
| 21:15.10 | StephenS | English |
| 21:15.16 | StephenS | oops, Serbian. |
| 21:15.17 | StephenS | :) |
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| 21:15.32 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: theres no windows on the server side as far as i can see |
| 21:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | I'm not following the language I guess, I step out. |
| 21:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | s/I/I'll |
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| 21:16.56 | StephenS | eh, so what I can do |
| 21:17.01 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: i think he meant there he gets a GUI interface for sftp, thats all |
| 21:17.06 | StephenS | maybe I get this error cause establishing connection is taking too long? |
| 21:17.24 | valdyn | StephenS: does it work from the command line? |
| 21:17.34 | StephenS | yes |
| 21:17.49 | StephenS | but as I said it takes a promt a while to ask me for root password, about 20 seconds. |
| 21:18.06 | valdyn | StephenS: ok, so gvfsd and/or fuse is probably broken or timeout to small |
| 21:18.17 | StephenS | what is gvfsd |
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| 21:18.22 | valdyn | StephenS: the error might be in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:18.32 | StephenS | bash: gvfsd: command not found |
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| 21:18.58 | valdyn | StephenS: gvfsd is the service providing various remote file access methods for nautilus and gnome in general, its not a program you start |
| 21:19.15 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, i uploaded that file to megaupload.. mount that disk image (vfat module), copy your biosupdate app and firmware file, unmount that.. mkdir foobar; cd foobar; copy image to foobar directory, then mkisofs -o bootcd.iso -b <floppyimage> -c boot.cat <floppyimage> |
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| 21:19.47 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, you dont need to bother with other dumb guides about running the .exe from the iso9660 filesystem.. |
| 21:19.49 | StephenS | so should I install gvfsd ? |
| 21:19.53 | valdyn | StephenS: no |
| 21:19.59 | valdyn | StephenS: its already installed |
| 21:20.01 | aguitel | i have this card:Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) anyway to increase perfomance with 3 D? |
| 21:20.06 | valdyn | StephenS: you should read ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:20.08 | StephenS | ok so what to do with it? |
| 21:20.16 | StephenS | i have that and xsession-errors.old |
| 21:20.19 | zinx | aguitel: yes |
| 21:20.23 | zinx | aguitel: buy a real video card. |
| 21:20.47 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html |
| 21:21.11 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, only trust msdos622 bootable floppy |
| 21:21.20 | StephenS | ok and what Im looking into xsession-erros ? |
| 21:21.35 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, okay, let me have a look at that |
| 21:21.48 | valdyn | StephenS: an error related to gfvs or ssh or sftp or fuse |
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| 21:22.41 | StephenS | ok got it |
| 21:22.45 | StephenS | May i copy here or ? |
| 21:22.58 | StephenS | http://pastie.org/2853977 |
| 21:22.59 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, if you dont trust the floppy i uploaded, you'll have to make your own through the whole process under vmware/virtualbox |
| 21:23.01 | StephenS | here it is. |
| 21:23.30 | valdyn | StephenS: ok, nothing useful there |
| 21:23.40 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, then delete all the msdos files to leave room for the biosapp/firmware, and leave just 3 msdos io.sys <> files on the floppy image.. this is time consuming |
| 21:24.01 | StephenS | hmm so what shall I do ? |
| 21:24.59 | valdyn | StephenS: is that URL you gave correct? can I try? |
| 21:25.41 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, the file seems legit |
| 21:25.50 | kristian-aalborg | I am looking into it |
| 21:26.05 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, as i said.. you can always make your own.. |
| 21:26.12 | valdyn | StephenS: i dont get a timeout at all, it connects instantly |
| 21:26.12 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, it's just time consuming.. |
| 21:26.21 | StephenS | i see |
| 21:26.26 | StephenS | where can i check my firewall info ? |
| 21:27.07 | valdyn | StephenS: compare a ping <host> response time to your timeout and see if that makes any sense |
| 21:27.31 | valdyn | StephenS: hint: 20 sec timout and 20ms ping does not make sense |
| 21:27.47 | StephenS | 64 bytes from 94.249.184.166: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=34.6 ms |
| 21:27.49 | StephenS | hmm |
| 21:27.52 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, also copying the app/firmware rather than the iso9660 filesystem is better.. because you have to worry about using the "right" cd driver in the dos himem.sys/autoexec.cfg |
| 21:28.09 | jbrks | ,/to the floppy, rather than the iso9660/ |
| 21:28.18 | StephenS | ell server: sshd. |
| 21:28.19 | StephenS | root@stefan:/home/stefan# sftp root@xshellz.com |
| 21:28.19 | StephenS | root@xshellz.com's password: |
| 21:28.19 | StephenS | Connected to xshellz.com. |
| 21:28.19 | StephenS | sftp> |
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| 21:28.35 | StephenS | Im connected via sftp but via terminal, so it might be problem in that program |
| 21:28.51 | valdyn | StephenS: yes |
| 21:29.01 | StephenS | is it possible something is wrong with my server then? |
| 21:29.05 | StephenS | or is up to my machine? |
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| 21:29.24 | valdyn | StephenS: is your login via terminal slow too? |
| 21:29.30 | StephenS | yes |
| 21:29.39 | StephenS | via ssh yes |
| 21:29.50 | StephenS | via sftp if you mean terminal by that |
| 21:29.57 | valdyn | StephenS: yes I do |
| 21:30.37 | StephenS | -.- |
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| 21:30.57 | StephenS | maybe it has something to do cause i ran apt-get upgrade yesterday ? |
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| 21:31.08 | StephenS | maybe it upgraded my ssh which is not in the same version as servers ? |
| 21:31.12 | valdyn | StephenS: no |
| 21:31.35 | valdyn | StephenS: ssh is one of the most unproblematic programs on your system. It just works. That includes sftp. |
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| 21:31.53 | valdyn | StephenS: if its slow then thats the network or your peer |
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| 21:32.29 | StephenS | hmm |
| 21:32.41 | MrMind | hi, can scp verify the moved data so it's not corrupt in any way+ |
| 21:32.45 | MrMind | ? |
| 21:32.51 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, did you see the part about the dead battery? |
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| 21:32.54 | valdyn | MrMind: no, use rsync |
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| 21:33.03 | kristian-aalborg | will this be okay too? |
| 21:33.14 | MrMind | valdyn: okey, thx |
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| 21:33.57 | StephenS | my network runs ok |
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| 21:34.03 | valdyn | MrMind: scp relies on the underlying protocols for data integrity afaik |
| 21:34.05 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:35.36 | valdyn | MrMind: hmm, im reading scp would abort on data corruption |
| 21:35.47 | valdyn | MrMind: but that doesnt verify whats on disk |
| 21:35.50 | Mneumonic | What is the current status on reading and writing to and from an external Hard drive in NTFS format? I would like to change my external drive from fat32 to NTFS so it can hold large files but I know a few years ago linux was really flaky on writing to NTFS. |
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| 21:36.47 | kristian-aalborg | so... I get rid of config.sys, ibmdos.com, ibmdos.bio? |
| 21:37.22 | valdyn | Mneumonic: works fine for me, but it can become very slow |
| 21:37.39 | valdyn | Mneumonic: thats for writing, i dont really read ntfs |
| 21:37.56 | Mneumonic | That's fine. I just get sick of the file size limit of fat32, it's ridiculous |
| 21:38.08 | Mneumonic | and I wish Windows wasn't so difficult about reading ext format |
| 21:38.37 | valdyn | Mneumonic: no ones fixing that ext2 driver for windows afaik |
| 21:38.38 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, just keep io.sys msdos.sys command.com |
| 21:39.01 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, you dont need himem.sys to load any memory management.. nor emm386 stuff |
| 21:39.17 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, the biosupdate programs will complain if they see himem.sys loaded |
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| 21:39.56 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, i'm guessing you're doing sys a: in vmware.. you cant simply copy the files.. |
| 21:39.58 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, I am using the file you uploaded, with the contents of the img |
| 21:40.03 | StephenS | I placed useDNS no under sshd_config |
| 21:40.09 | StephenS | and restarted service ssh restart |
| 21:40.12 | StephenS | and still not working eh? |
| 21:40.22 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, ah.. its ok to delete the biosupdate apps i was using.. u can delete everything except those 3 files.. |
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| 21:40.35 | kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/fhtpwQ3Q |
| 21:40.37 | valdyn | StephenS: why are you messing with sshd_config? |
| 21:40.47 | StephenS | cause there is ssh delay |
| 21:40.53 | StephenS | of 20 seconds |
| 21:40.56 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, there was only three files... the pastebin is what is in the file now |
| 21:41.00 | valdyn | StephenS: but sshd_config is only relevant on the ssh server |
| 21:41.04 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, where did u download your biosupdate from? |
| 21:41.17 | StephenS | and the reason why connect to server doesnt work is exacylt that, it takes 10 seconds to realize there is no connection and it just says me cannot display sftp |
| 21:41.24 | StephenS | so when I fix ssh delay i fixed connect to server |
| 21:41.28 | kristian-aalborg | http://dag.wieers.com/howto/thinkpad/770/ |
| 21:41.30 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, it's usually just 2 files.. 1 biosudpate app and the firmware |
| 21:41.43 | StephenS | valdyn indeed, but since I use connect to server via ssh it will work |
| 21:41.46 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, the rest is of course dos.. you just need 3 dos files |
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| 21:42.08 | kristian-aalborg | the original download from IBM/Lenovo is an exe which I could not extract... so I had to use this |
| 21:42.18 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: not even inside wine? |
| 21:42.26 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, alot of times .exe have .zip headers.. |
| 21:42.37 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, I did not try wine... I renamed to .exe, though |
| 21:42.39 | valdyn | cabextract usually works |
| 21:42.44 | kristian-aalborg | sorry, zip |
| 21:42.47 | valdyn | even on the .exe files iirc |
| 21:42.50 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, you can half the times use zip against .exe for packaged exes |
| 21:42.52 | kristian-aalborg | cabextract did not work |
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| 21:43.09 | kristian-aalborg | yup, but not in this case... been there |
| 21:43.10 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, send me the link to the exe.. |
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| 21:43.25 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, one second |
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| 21:45.00 | nbnds | is there a netinstall iso for 'experimental'? |
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| 21:45.17 | valdyn | nbnds: experimental cant be installed |
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| 21:45.51 | nbnds | valdyn, oh sry i think i wanted to say 'unstable' |
| 21:45.59 | arghx | nbnds: and the answer is the same |
| 21:46.23 | valdyn | nbnds: normally you should use the stable installer and "upgrade" if you must |
| 21:46.51 | nbnds | valdyn, okay thanks for hint |
| 21:47.21 | valdyn | nbnds: testing and unstable netinstall disks exist. Shouldnt be hard to find ( I'd have to google ) |
| 21:47.55 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=DSHY-3P2MCB |
| 21:48.06 | kristian-aalborg | I'll brb, I have to go get some coffee |
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| 21:48.40 | arghx | valdyn: you sure there are unstable isos? really? |
| 21:48.57 | valdyn | arghx: no, not sure |
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| 21:49.10 | arghx | valdyn: they aren't. someone might make some somewhere, but not debian |
| 21:49.12 | alazare619 | anyone know if offhand a sata 6 hd will backwards to a sata 3 mobo? |
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| 21:49.19 | arghx | alazare619: it will |
| 21:49.30 | alazare619 | kk as i was planning to upgrade my mobo in a few more months |
| 21:49.46 | valdyn | alazare619: theres sata 6? |
| 21:49.47 | alazare619 | needed a new hd now and didnt wana get one that wasnt as good as it could be |
| 21:49.54 | arghx | valdyn: sata 5Gbps |
| 21:49.57 | arghx | *6 |
| 21:50.12 | valdyn | so he means sata 3 |
| 21:50.18 | arghx | alazare619: you don't want to buy a new hdd now |
| 21:50.23 | alazare619 | i know |
| 21:50.29 | alazare619 | but im getting some ideas |
| 21:50.30 | arghx | valdyn: no one uses that name. there isn't even a sata 2 |
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| 21:50.33 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, gimme couple mins |
| 21:50.40 | valdyn | alazare619: yea its compatible |
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| 21:50.45 | alazare619 | after tax return im planning on doing a massive upgrade to my tower in converting it to a htpc |
| 21:50.47 | walle | hi all |
| 21:50.52 | valdyn | arghx: the only names i read is sata 1,2,3 |
| 21:50.56 | alazare619 | but dont want ot mobo swap till the mobo dies |
| 21:51.01 | walle | how to install courier-10-pitch font on debian |
| 21:51.11 | walle | I forget how to install it... |
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| 21:51.17 | arghx | valdyn: what is called sata 2 never got any real approval with this name. |
| 21:51.21 | alazare619 | sata 1 was 1.5gbps sata 2 was 3.0gps sata 3 is 6gbps |
| 21:51.30 | alazare619 | each doubles on the previous |
| 21:51.35 | valdyn | alazare619: yea, exactly |
| 21:52.08 | alazare619 | im just curious if my dual core 4200+ will be able to encode hdtv |
| 21:52.20 | walle | which font package contain that font? |
| 21:52.26 | valdyn | alazare619: not in real time |
| 21:52.29 | arghx | alazare619: not in realtime |
| 21:52.38 | walle | anyone can help me? |
| 21:52.44 | arghx | two morons, and a single thought between them... |
| 21:52.48 | alazare619 | hmm what about with libvdapau if i had a nvidia gfx card |
| 21:53.05 | arghx | that is a decoding utility, not a encoding one |
| 21:53.11 | alazare619 | damn |
| 21:53.23 | alazare619 | anyone have recommendations for a tv tuner? |
| 21:53.29 | valdyn | alazare619: i think the nvidia cards could do it, but libvdpau does not support that |
| 21:53.33 | walle | arghx: do you know? |
| 21:53.34 | alazare619 | also whats the equiv to the wd black card |
| 21:53.46 | alazare619 | black hard drive* |
| 21:53.53 | alazare619 | for say seagate |
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| 21:54.07 | valdyn | alazare619: what does that "black" mean? |
| 21:54.26 | alazare619 | wd black has 2 processors 2 heads so 1 can read while hte other writes |
| 21:54.30 | arghx | valdyn: wd black. model range of wd |
| 21:54.33 | alazare619 | or 2 writes at once |
| 21:54.36 | arghx | alazare619: I suggest you ask in ##hardware |
| 21:54.43 | valdyn | alazare619: nfc |
| 21:54.59 | valdyn | alazare619: i cant see how that makes sense anyway |
| 21:55.08 | alazare619 | the black drives have been proven to be faster then the velocaraptors |
| 21:55.12 | alazare619 | 10krpm drives |
| 21:55.14 | arghx | alazare619: easy, it looks good in marketing |
| 21:55.25 | arghx | valdyn: ^^ |
| 21:55.35 | valdyn | alazare619: theres no 2 heads |
| 21:55.51 | alazare619 | could of sworn it was 2 guess its just 2 processors |
| 21:55.53 | valdyn | alazare619: unless you count the multi-platter setup as multi-head, but every harddisk has that |
| 21:55.55 | walle | anyone know courier-10-pitch font in which package? |
| 21:56.11 | arghx | !tell walle about search |
| 21:56.24 | arghx | but I dunno if debian can have courier, cause it's under copyright probably |
| 21:56.36 | Walzmy_ | I'm currently running Kubuntu, thinking about switching to Debian. 1) which release should I be looking at and 2) what other issues will I face getting my system similar to the way it is now? |
| 21:57.07 | valdyn | alazare619: i doubt those disks are what you seem to think |
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| 21:57.41 | valdyn | alazare619: seagate has es.2 disks -> very expensive, high mtbf and naturally the disk with faster than 7.2k rpm |
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| 21:58.00 | alazare619 | mtbf? |
| 21:58.08 | walle | arghx: I can't see any help msg from you |
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| 21:58.13 | valdyn | alazare619: mean time between failure |
| 21:58.25 | walle | arghx: do you know that in which package? |
| 21:58.33 | walle | arghx: courier-10-pitch |
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| 21:58.50 | arghx | walle: what part of dpkg's message didn't you understand? |
| 21:59.05 | valdyn | alazare619: its indeed dual processor, but thats just marketing speech, its irrelevant |
| 21:59.13 | aguitel | i am in fallback mode ,how to put icons in desktop ? |
| 21:59.21 | walle | arghx: I have not recv you !tell msg... I |
| 21:59.41 | arghx | walle: 22:56 <dpkg> told walle about search (Please search ..... you got it. 3 minutes ago from dpkg |
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| 22:00.32 | walle | arghx: I don't know... |
| 22:00.38 | valdyn | alazare619: nominal latency on your disk sounds nice though |
| 22:01.03 | arghx | walle: you don't know what? |
| 22:01.07 | walle | arghx: I think it is a simple problem, only need to install one package, but I forget |
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| 22:01.54 | walle | arghx: I always there, not this time when install debian, it go alway |
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| 22:02.28 | arghx | walle: have you searched the way dpkg told you? if so, what command did you use? |
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| 22:03.30 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, can you break it? |
| 22:03.36 | valdyn | alazare619: ok, seems like constellation ES drives by seagate might match price and features |
| 22:03.43 | walle | arghx: I can not understand you mean :( |
| 22:04.10 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, i've gotten back.. just restoring a vmware machine |
| 22:04.37 | kristian-aalborg | thanks for looking into this, it is tremendously hairy... |
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| 22:05.10 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, for some reason an oldie msdos622 setup in vmware was not booting.. gonna try another |
| 22:05.32 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, no prob |
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| 22:07.07 | aguitel | where are icons stored ? the path ? |
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| 22:10.39 | alazare619 | ok last question anyone here have a video card with working hdmi on linux atm? |
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| 22:13.36 | walle | arghx: yes, I complete search |
| 22:13.42 | claw | is there a way to show all non translated wikipages ? |
| 22:13.47 | claw | i want to translate them |
| 22:14.01 | walle | arghx: I have install all package that may be have courier 10 pitch font |
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| 22:14.08 | walle | arghx: but there also now it |
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| 22:17.51 | oxic` | guys. i have a shell on a server where debian has been recently installed. weird thing is, when connected through kitty or putty, i can't do alt+backspace in irssi. it won't react. it usually equals "delete previous word", but it just won't function :( |
| 22:18.25 | oxic` | i have an account on a 'buntu server as well, here i can do meta+backspace in irssi without any problem through kitty/putty. what could be the problem with this debian server? |
| 22:18.41 | oxic` | alt+backspace works in shell (bash, zsh, or whatever) |
| 22:18.43 | oxic` | just not in irssi |
| 22:18.55 | tharkun | If i need more bandwith than what 1Gb ethernet can handle, what should be the term i am looking for on a search engine? |
| 22:19.30 | jelly-home | tharkun: 10Gb? |
| 22:19.39 | oxic` | the backspace key itself works, like other alt functions eg. digits and arrow keys. |
| 22:19.45 | dvs | OC8? |
| 22:19.49 | oxic` | it seems that alt+backspace is the one function that doesn't work :\ |
| 22:19.58 | tharkun | jelly-home: Is there ethernet on that speed? |
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| 22:20.03 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 22:20.19 | tharkun | jelly-home: and the next cost efective solution above that? |
| 22:20.33 | valdyn | tharkun: 100gb ethernet? |
| 22:20.38 | jelly-home | tharkun: no idea |
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| 22:20.46 | tharkun | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:20.51 | tharkun | valdyn: are you joking? |
| 22:20.55 | valdyn | err, thats 40gb ethernet |
| 22:20.57 | valdyn | tharkun: no |
| 22:21.01 | jelly-home | !wayttd tharkun |
| 22:21.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tharkun? |
| 22:21.11 | dvs | Run the Internet? |
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| 22:21.53 | tharkun | jelly-home: A friend called because he has been seeing lots of trouble on his network. I did a quick analysis and there seems to be a botle neck on the speed of his network |
| 22:22.38 | tharkun | I just never found anyone with a 1GB Ethernet have this kind of problems. He asked for general solutions. Only that |
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| 22:22.41 | valdyn | tharkun: im pretty sure you cant afford that though |
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| 22:22.55 | jelly-home | tharkun: try asking in ##networking |
| 22:22.59 | tharkun | valdyn: I ain't paying a dime :) |
| 22:23.21 | jelly-home | doesn't really sound like a Debian issue |
| 22:23.24 | valdyn | tharkun: you need decent cableing for 1gb ethernet, not just any cat5 I think |
| 22:23.43 | valdyn | tharkun: and im not sure cheap switches will give decent performance |
| 22:23.43 | tharkun | jelly-home: it isn't I just didn't know where to ask :) |
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| 22:24.03 | dvs | valberg: cat6 |
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| 22:24.14 | dvs | er, valdyn |
| 22:24.19 | valdyn | dvs: yes |
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| 22:24.37 | tharkun | valdyn: Monday morning i am supposed to get a full schematic of the network. having everything on 10.0.0.0/8 doesn't seem like a good idea to me. |
| 22:24.43 | valdyn | though for a 2 meter link cat5 might be ok |
| 22:25.00 | valdyn | tharkun: why not? |
| 22:25.01 | arghx | for gbit, you need cat5e at least |
| 22:25.06 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, i think i'm going to fix this |
| 22:25.29 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, i tried to restore a vmware machine.. but i think i'm almost there |
| 22:25.50 | valdyn | tharkun: i dont see the problem |
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| 22:27.05 | sphereoid | sry im new to debian |
| 22:27.09 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, great |
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| 22:27.17 | sphereoid | what's the command to lookup one's ip address? |
| 22:27.53 | valdyn | sphereoid: thats to vague |
| 22:28.06 | tharkun | valdyn: Maybe i expressed my self wrongly. I think their network topology is generating different bottlenecks because of the cabling. Machine A has to traverse a lot of hw to get its info. Some switches will have to be upgraded and some logic distances will have to be shortened. Subdiving the network into several /24 might be easier to handle |
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| 22:28.40 | sphereoid | i need to know my lan ip |
| 22:28.47 | tharkun | anyway. Thanks for the nice questions. Make the brain work harder on solving stuff |
| 22:29.00 | tharkun | sphereoid: curl ifconfig.me |
| 22:29.14 | jelly-home | sphereoid: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 22:29.45 | pizza_biz | or ip addr show eth0 (assuming eth0 is your LAN interface). |
| 22:29.45 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, I am pretty sure the .img is legit, it is from a good source |
| 22:29.55 | jelly-home | pizza_biz: only if iproute is installed |
| 22:30.02 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, ya the files.. looks like there's 9 |
| 22:30.08 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, other than the standard 3-4 dos files |
| 22:30.15 | tharkun | kristian-aalborg: distrust it. Check it with the different sha1 or md5 signatures provided |
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| 22:30.38 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, i'm going to reboot the vmware to see if it boots.. the .exe runs to extract to a floppy in msdos |
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| 22:30.58 | jbrks | kristian-aalborg, it's working |
| 22:31.04 | sphereoid | alight thanks guys |
| 22:31.09 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, wonderful |
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| 22:36.45 | dvs | gets out the BFG 9000 |
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| 22:50.56 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm running squeeze and when i check my gmail, i get the following: "You are using an old version of Firefox which Gmail no longer supports. Some features may not work correctly." is there anyway to spoof settings in iceweasel so gmail recognizes it as the latest version? |
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| 22:52.14 | arghx | paranoidphreak: get a new iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:53.36 | ajikeshi | paranoidphreak, O_o youre actually not running any firefix :D |
| 22:53.40 | ajikeshi | firefox |
| 22:54.09 | dspider | but it's still firefox, right? |
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| 22:54.36 | cthuluh | yes |
| 22:54.47 | cthuluh | paranoidphreak: does google prevent you from using their services? |
| 22:54.49 | paranoidphreak | isn't iceweasel just a rebranding of firefox |
| 22:54.55 | cthuluh | yes |
| 22:55.23 | paranoidphreak | cthuluh: no it doesn't but some features are no longer active |
| 22:55.37 | dspider | you could use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/ |
| 22:55.42 | cthuluh | and do you lack those features? |
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| 22:55.50 | farangoth | Hello everyone |
| 22:55.52 | dspider | and make it look like firefox |
| 22:55.54 | dspider | or IE |
| 22:55.56 | dspider | or anything |
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| 22:56.22 | paranoidphreak | dspider: i tried that but still the same issue |
| 22:56.34 | farangoth | Anyone have a extension for Chromium you do the same job than DownloadHelper for firefox? |
| 22:56.34 | paranoidphreak | i'll just download firefox |
| 22:56.49 | paranoidphreak | thanks everyone for the suggestions |
| 22:57.44 | cthuluh | paranoidphreak: use mozilla.debian.net if you want a more recent iceweasel |
| 22:58.04 | dspider | alternatively you could use thunderbird or something, you know... |
| 22:58.07 | cthuluh | (as arghx already said, btw) |
| 22:58.26 | paranoidphreak | cthuluh: thanks, i'll do that |
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| 23:04.38 | aguitel | how launch gnome-power manager ? |
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| 23:08.54 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying to boot a KVM virtual machine from PXE, but the BIOS seems to skip iPXE for some reason after init... what I see is the iPXE version info, then "press ctrl+b to configure iPXE" (pressing which doesn't do anything), and then it falls back to disks :/ |
| 23:09.57 | thewanderer1 | it used to work for booting with PXE, now I can't boot any VM off it |
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| 23:17.19 | aguitel | how to configure power management in gnome 3? |
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| 23:22.14 | thewanderer1 | nevermind, my problem was completely random and it fixed itself after I restarted libvirt-bin enough times... |
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| 23:23.15 | aguitel | how to configure power management in gnome 3? |
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| 23:25.10 | coppermine | im running debian on an embedded arm board, what ways can I optimize it? it only has 256M ram |
| 23:25.16 | coppermine | and a 400mhz cpu |
| 23:25.32 | mvv | watch what apps you run |
| 23:25.38 | mvv | 256MB of ram is a fair bit |
| 23:25.42 | coppermine | its customs programs |
| 23:25.47 | coppermine | that I wrote in .c |
| 23:25.53 | coppermine | or other linux utilities i ported over to arm |
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| 23:26.18 | mvv | are you having performance issues? |
| 23:26.23 | coppermine | yes |
| 23:26.28 | coppermine | its for a robotics application |
| 23:26.37 | coppermine | when i sned audio its fine, when i send video its fine but when i send both |
| 23:26.40 | coppermine | the audio chops up |
| 23:26.45 | mvv | ah :< |
| 23:27.03 | coppermine | not sure if its the cpu or bandwidth |
| 23:27.04 | mvv | have you isolated it to being processor limited? |
| 23:27.10 | coppermine | not yet |
| 23:27.10 | mvv | mmm |
| 23:27.13 | coppermine | ill run it with top |
| 23:30.34 | coppermine | ok as soon as i start motion |
| 23:30.39 | coppermine | it uses 93.3% of the cpu |
| 23:30.43 | coppermine | that might be a problem |
| 23:30.58 | coppermine | i know theres a way to limi % usage by pid |
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| 23:55.26 | bitcycle | I'm super confused. I'm running "wheezy/sid" [from /etc/debian_version]. My seagate external hdd was auto-mounted and showed in Thunar as of this morning. But, after restart and relocating to a cafe, its now showing when I plug it in. I'm looking here: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs, but I'm not sure if that's needed since it worked fine this morning. Any ideas? |
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| 23:56.04 | arghx | !automount |
| 23:56.04 | bitcycle | I'm just gonna try restarting and see if that fixes things. :0/ |
| 23:56.04 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 23:56.22 | arghx | note how thunar is mentioned there |
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| 23:56.42 | bitcycle | arghx: I'm running thunar, and I figured that it would get auto-mounted there. |
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| 23:57.08 | arghx | have you read the factoid yet? |
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| 23:57.34 | bitcycle | arghx: Where to find "the factoid"? |
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| 23:57.43 | dpkg | The thunar-volman package contains the Thunar Volume Manager extension to enable automatic management of removable drives and other media. See also <thunar>. |
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