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| 00:00.54 | dwfreed | supayoshi: 'mv /directory /newlocation' will do that |
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| 00:01.14 | dwfreed | err, you want copy or move? |
| 00:01.28 | cheako | supayoshi: cp would work, but for big chores it's sometimes better to use rsync. |
| 00:01.45 | cheako | supayoshi: Yeah... the answer is depends. |
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| 00:01.56 | n-iCe | cheako: nothing the AP is not shown |
| 00:01.57 | cheako | supayoshi: Are these on the same filesystem? |
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| 00:02.24 | cheako | n-iCe: then you have to configure the phone to be an enabled AP. |
| 00:02.37 | n-iCe | cheako: but my pc does not show it either |
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| 00:03.20 | n-iCe | I am trying to share wlan1 I am currently connected in wlan0, and wlan0 does not show the wlan1 AP I created |
| 00:03.21 | cheako | n-iCe: So you have two devices that say it dosn't exist. I'd believe them myself. |
| 00:04.00 | cheako | n-iCe: all on the same channel? |
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| 00:04.22 | cheako | n-iCe: Explain to me what you are attempting to do. |
| 00:04.51 | supayoshi | oaky rsync will do |
| 00:04.52 | supayoshi | :) |
| 00:04.52 | supayoshi | ty |
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| 00:05.07 | n-iCe | Ok, I have wlan0 which I use to internet surfing, I have a wlan1 which I don't use, I want to share my wlan0 internet using the wlan1 I don't use |
| 00:05.16 | cheako | supayoshi: NP, I was also going to point you to lndir.. but that makes links. |
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| 00:05.56 | cheako | n-iCe: Ahh, are you using hostap? If not that adhoc might be an option. |
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| 00:06.11 | n-iCe | cheako: uhm, how can I know? |
| 00:06.22 | cheako | n-iCe: Then you'll have to configure routing/forwarding/nat. |
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| 00:06.47 | n-iCe | cheako: I don't know if I use hostap |
| 00:06.52 | cheako | n-iCe: If you havn't installed and configured hostap then it's likely you are not using it. You might want to take a look. |
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| 00:07.18 | cheako | n-iCe: Tough I think adhoc will be good enough for you. |
| 00:07.34 | cheako | Question... why not just all use the same wifi network? |
| 00:07.35 | n-iCe | ok |
| 00:07.58 | n-iCe | cheako: because the signal strenght upstairs is so low, my iphone does not take it |
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| 00:08.15 | n-iCe | but you said adhoc were not an option for me I am confused now |
| 00:08.51 | cheako | n-iCe: It's because connection to the phone adhoc is not an option, AFAIK. |
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| 00:09.25 | n-iCe | how do I use that adhoc thing? |
| 00:09.57 | cheako | n-iCe: Though your are messed up if you think one wifi will work better then another to upstairs... unless you've got a special antenna or something. |
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| 00:10.33 | GTRsdk | Do I have to reinstall Debian if I change my BIOS time settings? |
| 00:10.46 | cheako | I think that's your only problem is that wifi will not work for you. Drop ethernet and be done with it. |
| 00:11.33 | n-iCe | I don't have ethernet |
| 00:11.35 | n-iCe | all I have is wifi |
| 00:11.50 | n-iCe | And I want to share internet upstairs or at least in my room, how difficult can it be? |
| 00:12.08 | cheako | GTRsdk: No, you can just adjust the setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 00:12.50 | n-iCe | there is a software in windows I just need to click once and I share internet |
| 00:12.52 | cheako | n-iCe: If you can't get signal, then it's not difficult... it's impossible. |
| 00:12.58 | n-iCe | i get signal |
| 00:13.01 | n-iCe | in this laptop |
| 00:13.05 | n-iCe | but others rooms does not |
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| 00:13.39 | n-iCe | all I need to know is how to share the internet |
| 00:13.41 | cheako | n-iCe: Yup, walls end wifi. Either tare down the walls or switch to ethernet. |
| 00:13.59 | n-iCe | all I need to know is how to share the internet can you guide me? |
| 00:14.09 | cheako | n-iCe: You could use shorewall for that part. |
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| 00:14.34 | brainsoft | what can be the reason of frozen ssh connections after some time on remote server? |
| 00:14.36 | cheako | n-iCe: You need to configure routing, forarding and nat. |
| 00:14.40 | GTRsdk | cheako, how do I do that? |
| 00:14.54 | n-iCe | cheako: let's do it then! |
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| 00:15.01 | cheako | GTRsdk: Use your fav text editor. |
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| 00:15.26 | Thioka | Hi everyone, Tomorrow this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day. |
| 00:15.37 | GTRsdk | cheako, is there a certain setting? |
| 00:16.36 | cheako | n-iCe: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 That's kinda complex, i'd look harder for an easy to use setup http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/shorewall |
| 00:16.50 | GTRsdk | I think I found it |
| 00:17.01 | cheako | GTRsdk: It's rather easy. |
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| 00:17.13 | n-iCe | shorewall is a firewall, can't share internet, if I read well |
| 00:17.38 | cheako | n-iCe: firewall's are only good for share internet. |
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| 00:18.02 | GTRsdk | How do I set a filesystem check to happen every two boots? |
| 00:18.14 | cheako | Shorewall will configure the forward and nat parts of this puzzle. |
| 00:18.22 | n-iCe | can't find something a tuto to share internet using shorewall cheako |
| 00:18.23 | dvs | GTRsdk: tune2fs -c 2 |
| 00:18.24 | cheako | GTRsdk: tunbe2fs |
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| 00:20.03 | GTRsdk | thanks |
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| 00:20.20 | cheako | n-iCe: Edit /etc/shorewall/zones /etc/shorewall/interfaces /etc/shorewall/policy /etc/shorewall/masq /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf /etc/default/shorewall and then run /etc/init.d/shorewall start |
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| 00:22.40 | Dulak | ufw is so much easier for a home box.... |
| 00:23.01 | n-iCe | wow |
| 00:23.06 | n-iCe | no idea how to start cheako :p |
| 00:23.51 | seaword_ | I have just installed squeeze and am configuring sudo. I noticed the sudoers file contains a line beginning with %sudo for the sudo group where typical examples on the net would have the wheel group here. |
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| 00:24.16 | seaword_ | It it best to add myself to the sudo group or add myself to the wheel group and add a line for wheel in sudoers? |
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| 00:25.19 | Dulak | seaword_: I myself use the staff group and add a line for it to the sudoers, I use staff so I can have write access to /usr/local as my normal user |
| 00:25.46 | seaword_ | Dulak: Ok, thanks for the tip |
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| 00:29.58 | cheako | n-iCe: http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/shorewall Spells it out plainly. |
| 00:30.40 | kristian-aalborg | can I boot squeeze with a 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 00:30.53 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: no |
| 00:31.10 | kristian-aalborg | how low can I go, numbers wise? |
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| 00:31.49 | arghx | approx 2.6.26 from lenny. otherwise udev will balk. 2.6.18 (etch) is definitely too low |
| 00:31.51 | endeav0r | if i want to get the package boinc-server-maker, do i need to move to testing? |
| 00:32.08 | arghx | endeav0r: do a backport of it. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:32.09 | Dulak | 2.6.16 was too low when I tried it |
| 00:32.16 | cheako | seaword_: Typically wheel is used in place of sudoers, using the su utility. If you are going to use sudo, then use the sudo group. |
| 00:32.20 | arghx | ,depends boinc-server-maker |
| 00:32.21 | judd | No package named 'boinc-server-maker' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 00:32.54 | arghx | ,depends boinc-server-maker --release=wheezy |
| 00:32.55 | judd | Package boinc-server-maker in wheezy/i386 -- depends: boinc-dev, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.50-1), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), python-support, python, python-mysqldb, mysql-server-5.0 | virtual-mysql-server, apache2 | httpd-cgi, php5, php5-cli, php5-mysql, tcsh, openssl (>= 0.9.8), adduser, libfcgi0ldbl. |
| 00:33.57 | endeav0r | arghx does that mean... what? i'm pretty lost here |
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| 00:34.25 | themill | wonders what arghx hopes to find out from that |
| 00:34.37 | un214 | hey somebody fixed wheezy so you don't need graphics card to do transparent overlays anymore |
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| 00:37.10 | arghx | themill: if there is anything special it needs that prevents a backport. e.g. the libstdc++6 maybe |
| 00:37.30 | themill | ,checkbackport boinc-server-maker |
| 00:37.34 | judd | Backporting package boinc-server-maker in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnotify-dev (>= 0.7.0). |
| 00:38.12 | themill | arghx: the dependencies of the binary package will frequently be automatically generated at build time (e.g. libssl versions, libgcc versions). |
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| 00:50.34 | OldParr | jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjunkers45 |
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| 00:57.20 | phaidros | how do I install the ubuntu font in debian? |
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| 01:06.15 | OldParr | why "lb build" just make a filesystem in a subtree but it does not builds the binary.iso ? |
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| 01:08.24 | somiaj | phaidros: look up fonts on the debian wiki, there is a full list of fonts installable (there are many font packages). Though I would suggest asking #ubuntu which font they use. |
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| 01:08.48 | somiaj | phaidros: http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
| 01:09.19 | phaidros | somiaj: thx |
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| 01:09.54 | phaidros | I just wget the ttf-ubuntu-font-family deb from ubuntu, installs fine and the fonts are there. tho the anti aliasing is just not good :) |
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| 01:15.34 | converge | everytime i boot i have to load the kboard layout for console, there is some way to fix it? |
| 01:19.08 | OldParr | when i execute "lb build" it just makes a tree that looks like a linux filesystem but it do not build binary.iso |
| 01:19.16 | nkuttler | !tell converge about keymap |
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| 01:21.45 | Thioka | Hi everyone, Tomorrow this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day. |
| 01:21.47 | Thioka | and good night! |
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| 01:23.32 | converge | nkuttler: i did dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but after boot i still have the old kboard layout |
| 01:23.38 | converge | some suggestion? |
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| 01:24.33 | nkuttler | converge: you're not running lenny, are you? |
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| 01:25.24 | converge | nkuttler: is 6.0 lenny ? |
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| 01:39.42 | OldParr | when i execute "lb build" it just makes a tree that looks like a linux filesystem but it do not build binary.iso |
| 01:40.33 | cheako | Is there a way I can serch for factoids in dpkg? |
| 01:40.40 | cheako | spell serch |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | cheako: huh ? |
| 01:40.59 | abrotman | cheako: locally? web? irc? |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | cheako: or ask people in the channel |
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| 01:41.52 | cheako | abrotman: I'm talking about ~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg the bot in this chan. |
| 01:42.13 | cheako | !spell serch |
| 01:42.15 | nkuttler | cheako: /msg dpkg listvals foo |
| 01:42.15 | dpkg | possible spellings for serch: search sch Sorcha such perch zorch sketch speech searcher Arch Seth arch etch Sacha SEC Sec sec Hersch scorch smirch starch Serb each lech secy sere serf tech Zach sash sec'y |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | cheako: locally? web? irc? |
| 01:42.28 | cheako | ^^^ that guy. |
| 01:42.46 | cheako | abrotman: Any/all. |
| 01:42.51 | nkuttler | converge: no, the command for lenny was different |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | cheako: PICK ONE |
| 01:43.09 | cheako | abrotman: Round-Robin. |
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| 01:43.16 | abrotman | cheako: no .. pick a single method |
| 01:44.01 | converge | 6.0 == squeeze? |
| 01:44.03 | cheako | abrotman: Now you are just trying to be unhelpful. by irc. |
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| 01:44.13 | abrotman | cheako: then you were already told how .. hvae a nice day |
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| 01:47.28 | OldParr | how do i start live-build-cgi ? |
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| 01:55.48 | cheako | search factoids is listkeys. |
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| 01:57.08 | Na_Klar | my debian webserver is now uptime ~ 9 days. The memory filled up from 150mb to now 550mb. How does that come since the machine's load does not increase in average? |
| 01:57.34 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 01:57.34 | dvs | Na_Klar: HOw do you know that it's using that much memory? |
| 01:57.35 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 01:57.50 | Na_Klar | htop |
| 01:58.24 | dvs | Na_Klar: what does "free" say? |
| 01:58.26 | Na_Klar | abrotman, ah I see .. did not know that it tends to do that |
| 01:58.45 | n-iCe | hi, I created an adhoc connection in the networkmanager I see the wireless access point in my devices(iphone) even I can connect to the AP but I Have no internet connection, any idea what can I be missing? thanks! I have two wireless cards. |
| 01:59.34 | Na_Klar | dvs, 550/7966MB means not there are 7966-550 free? |
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| 02:00.54 | dvs | Na_Klar: the free column on the second line is the true free memory |
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| 02:01.07 | Na_Klar | oh great |
| 02:01.10 | Na_Klar | ^^ |
| 02:01.29 | Na_Klar | so ty for the information |
| 02:01.47 | dvs | np |
| 02:02.12 | cheako | n-iCe: Your statement is so confusing. I think you should just concentrate on getting the devices on the adhoc to talk. |
| 02:02.45 | cheako | n-iCe: I'm assuming even though you get signal that the devices are not connected or barely connected. |
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| 02:03.33 | cheako | n-iCe: Perhaps it would help to diagram your setup in an image file and post it some where. |
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| 02:04.39 | n-iCe | cheako: I have two wireless cards, wlan1 and wlan0 I use wlan0 to surf the internet, I want to share the internet using wlan1, what's confusing? |
| 02:04.40 | LemensTS | I got a fresh install of debian and shorewall and isc-dhcp-server. Do I need a dns server also for my clients under the firewall also? |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | LemensTS: need, no .. you can specify another dns server for your dhcp clients |
| 02:06.08 | cheako | n-iCe: Your iphone. |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | the iphone is the client, the Debian machine is the AP |
| 02:06.48 | n-iCe | my iphone what? tried with other laptop, same, can connect but no internet sharing |
| 02:06.50 | cheako | Why don't you put it in a newtral location where both hosts can access it? |
| 02:07.07 | MSTRCNVS | I have an remote server machine and when I try to do a aptitude upgrade I'm getting this errors, I've tried to figure it out earlier but I couldn't, can someone help me? http://paste.debian.net/145274/ |
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| 02:07.14 | n-iCe | cheako: that's not the point, you are trying to tell me something not answering my real question |
| 02:07.23 | cheako | n-iCe: So your internet connection is not working or your internet connection sharing is not working? |
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| 02:07.34 | n-iCe | I really say thanks for your trying, but I think you don't know how to or you don't understand me |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: it gives you the exact error/problem |
| 02:08.01 | n-iCe | cheako: the connection is ok, I see the new AP i created, but the devices(laptop, iphone) can't load sites, load msn, etc |
| 02:08.58 | n-iCe | this is an easy sofyware to do it in windows, http://www.connectify.me/ there must be a linux way to do it as well |
| 02:09.01 | cheako | n-iCe: Can they access the AP? What is this AP is it wlan1. What's wlan0 connected to if not the iphone? |
| 02:09.14 | n-iCe | Connect and share anywhere! Easily create a secure wireless network and share any Internet connection with your friends, family, and mobile devices. |
| 02:09.38 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: sorry, didn't understand your point |
| 02:09.38 | n-iCe | cheako: yes they can access, I created an AP |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: you don't see the error line ? |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: line #30 |
| 02:10.05 | cheako | n-iCe: So you setup hostap on wlan1? |
| 02:10.33 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: yes, I saw this and tried to search for people with the same problem, and tried several solution methods, but no one could solve my problem |
| 02:10.38 | n-iCe | let me upload you some pics cheako |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: it tells you that it can't do the upgrade because that file can't be executed .. does that file exist? does that directory exist? |
| 02:11.49 | n-iCe | blah can't take a screenshoot |
| 02:11.54 | n-iCe | while I open network-manager |
| 02:13.48 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: neither tmp.ci directory neither the file preinst within this directory exists |
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| 02:15.19 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: remove the package from your cache, try to update again |
| 02:15.43 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: how can I do this? |
| 02:16.40 | abrotman | aptitude clean |
| 02:17.12 | n-iCe | anyway |
| 02:17.15 | n-iCe | thanks for trying |
| 02:17.17 | n-iCe | is late, good day! |
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| 02:19.30 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/145277/ |
| 02:20.25 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: same error, again |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: can you pastebin the preinst script for that package |
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| 02:22.16 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: if you're referring to /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst this file doesn't exist |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | no .. /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ... find the preinst for that package |
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| 02:23.21 | HotBeachBoy | hey hey hey |
| 02:23.33 | HotBeachBoy | anyone? |
| 02:23.38 | dvs | Albert! |
| 02:23.58 | HotBeachBoy | hm? |
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| 02:24.13 | Na_Klar | what is a good average runtime for a debian webserver? I heard linux likes it in the long term, but that has a limit, dosn't it? |
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| 02:24.36 | HotBeachBoy | anyone use a mac? |
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| 02:24.52 | Na_Klar | hopes not |
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| 02:25.15 | MSTRCNVS | ***a |
| 02:25.18 | MSTRCNVS | oops |
| 02:25.24 | cgar | Na_Klar: do you mean uptime? |
| 02:25.29 | Na_Klar | yea |
| 02:25.32 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: libpam-modules.preinst: http://paste.debian.net/145279/ |
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| 02:25.47 | cgar | the higher the better? |
| 02:25.51 | Na_Klar | really? |
| 02:26.27 | cgar | yea, that's the whole point of a server. |
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| 02:27.02 | Na_Klar | So, no need to reboot the machine from time to time? |
| 02:27.47 | MSTRCNVS | Na_Klar, only if you want customers bothering you |
| 02:27.58 | cgar | Unless you must for hardware changes. |
| 02:28.11 | Na_Klar | obivously windows marred |
| 02:28.16 | Na_Klar | :P |
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| 02:28.20 | dvs | Unless you want more secure kernels. |
| 02:28.36 | Na_Klar | secure in sence of secure or in sence of stable? |
| 02:28.47 | cheako | Na_Klar: There is an app that will alert you if your server reaches the 10,000 day mark. uptimed. |
| 02:28.55 | dvs | secure as in resolving security flaws |
| 02:29.09 | MSTRCNVS | in sense of improved |
| 02:29.17 | cgar | There is always ksplice to update kernels |
| 02:29.57 | Na_Klar | cheako, well I would be suprised if the hardware will survive that 27 years ^^ |
| 02:30.03 | cheako | Na_Klar: There is a need to do occasional security updates, but for Debian this is *mostly* limited to the kernel. |
| 02:30.32 | Na_Klar | I see |
| 02:30.51 | cheako | I was going to point out that the recent libssl update didn't cause my services to restart, like they should have been. |
| 02:31.40 | Na_Klar | I read about a security leak in ssl a while ago. That is surely solved now, isn't it? |
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| 02:31.53 | Na_Klar | (in regard to debian) |
| 02:32.08 | Na_Klar | ... well if I remember that was 2008 ... |
| 02:32.10 | MSTRCNVS | how can I regenerate or "recache" a package preinst script? |
| 02:33.01 | cheako | Na_Klar: Yes that's been **fixed**. I'm not sure if the code still references uninitialised memory, but it's no longer limited to the 16bits of entropy it used to be. |
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| 02:33.18 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
| 02:33.23 | Na_Klar | cheako, I see |
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| 02:34.29 | OldParr | how do i make live-build to reuse the downloaded files instead of downloading it every time it builds a diferent image ? |
| 02:35.28 | cheako | I'm sceptical about the actual entropy uninitialised memory would have. Cosidering it could contain things like well-known data files like /etc/passwd or things like process tables and if it happens to actually not hit anything like that there is still a good chance it'll hit an area of all zeros. |
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| 02:42.25 | Na_Klar | what would be bad about an area of zeros? |
| 02:43.28 | jbrks | Na_Klar, I think you're a zero. Either you're a 1 or 0 kid. |
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| 02:43.44 | cheako | Na_Klar: If an adversary can guess the entropy used then they can easily discover your private keys. |
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| 02:44.10 | Na_Klar | I see |
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| 02:44.29 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: sorry, totally hosed my box during a dist-upgrade .. |
| 02:44.30 | Na_Klar | then an area of all zero would be bad indeed ^^ |
| 02:44.44 | cheako | The scary part about this/the attack is that any signature generated using low entropy will also leak the private key! Even if the private key it's self has sufficient entropy. |
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| 02:45.06 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: no problems, you're not here for me, I'm here for you (: |
| 02:45.10 | grindhold | hello. is it somehow possible to use debian along with other oss to replace a ibm system p5 hardware management console? |
| 02:45.19 | cheako | Na_Klar: correct, and on a freshly booted system they are every where, literally. |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: it's my own fault .. |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: anyway .. look at the script .. see if it is creating that directory |
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| 02:46.58 | MSTRCNVS | ab |
| 02:47.06 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: the libpam-modules.preinst? |
| 02:47.33 | cheako | Na_Klar: So I approve that a change needed to be made, both to provide security and to follow Debian guidelines. However it's the change that was made, or rather it's end result, that ppl had a disagreement with. |
| 02:47.38 | Na_Klar | cheako, aren't there any other sources for entropy while rsa key generation? ... I really need some randomizer hardware :P |
| 02:48.36 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: right .. i'm not going to try to read it right now .. but look through it .. see where it tries to create/execute that file |
| 02:48.45 | cheako | Na_Klar: An open mic on the sound card is by far the easiest. You can you the line out on a radio and grab either a radio station or just static. |
| 02:49.48 | Na_Klar | cheako, yeah some white or better pink noise .. but doesn't audio has some lame throughput .. well, depending on its frequency spectrum most likely .. |
| 02:50.08 | cheako | Na_Klar: The issue with the software in question was that they wanted to be vary flexible on the types of systems they could run on. |
| 02:50.28 | Na_Klar | true |
| 02:50.39 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: I'm not seeing any attempt to execute that file in any files related to libpam-modules within /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 02:51.05 | jbrks | I'm currently reading on hdparm. I'd like to use it with raid. I want to know a good source for hdparm+raid. Anyone? |
| 02:51.10 | k-man | is there any tool that can encode apple lossless coded? |
| 02:51.14 | k-man | codec I mean |
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| 02:51.22 | Na_Klar | k-man ffmpeg can |
| 02:51.29 | cheako | Na_Klar: You don't need much. If you are looking to generate a key then human input should be sufficient, just start writing an email. |
| 02:51.35 | jbrks | k-man, i don't think aac is open.. |
| 02:51.59 | k-man | jbrks, is aac the same as ALAC? |
| 02:51.59 | cheako | In most normal cases sound input will provide more then enough. |
| 02:52.01 | Na_Klar | k-man, maybe ffmpeg can just decode .. if jbrks is right surely :P |
| 02:52.17 | Na_Klar | i'll check, what da heck |
| 02:52.32 | k-man | ALAC is "open source" now: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/28/apples-lossless-alac-goes-open-source-its-like-flac-for-ipods/ |
| 02:52.51 | Na_Klar | k-man, ffmpeg can Decode and Encode ALAC |
| 02:53.03 | cheako | k-man: Is that monkey? |
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| 02:53.24 | k-man | monkey? |
| 02:53.37 | k-man | no, ALAC is apples lossless codec I believe |
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| 02:54.34 | Na_Klar | apple lossles audio codec |
| 02:54.50 | Na_Klar | and ffmpeg can handle it -.- nuff said? |
| 02:54.51 | kristian-aalborg | I am about to compile a 2.6.20 (or so) kernel, can I use a .config from a 2.4.4 for a template? |
| 02:55.01 | cheako | Ahh monkeys audio is Windows. |
| 02:55.32 | cheako | kristian-aalborg: Should almost with after running "make oldconfig" |
| 02:56.08 | kristian-aalborg | cheako, thanks |
| 02:56.23 | zykotick9_ | Just an FYI I suppose (is there somewhere I should be reporting this?): for a few days I haven't been getting updates on my Sid/Wheezy VMs - tonight I believe I discovered why. Aptitude update returns "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 22min 47s)" I get the same thing for main Canadian mirror "ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/". I had previously tested by switching from my local mirror |
| 02:56.24 | zykotick9_ | to the .ca main, but I guess both where not working correctly. Using ftp.us.debian.org is working as expected. |
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| 02:59.22 | cheako | zykotick9_: Yup, looks like the mirror is lagging. |
| 02:59.39 | Na_Klar | k-man, btw why do you not use FLAC which is the original (just fyi, no dicussion please :P) |
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| 02:59.57 | cheako | zykotick9_: http://pastebin.com/t0L4YLXk |
| 03:01.10 | k-man | Na_Klar, because my proprietry player does not play flac unfortunately - however I'm going to try high bitrate aac files to see if that suits my ears better - if not I'll try the ALAC |
| 03:01.14 | jbrks | hdparm is a good tool for simple tweaking a raid member?(hdparm -S 84 /dev/<>) ? |
| 03:03.05 | Na_Klar | k-man, we are going insanly out off topic, but you never ever can hear a difference between uncompressed and aac/mpeg compressed > 320kb/s. There are significant double-blind comparative trails about that :P |
| 03:03.35 | jbrks | !hdparm |
| 03:03.36 | dpkg | hdparm is probably the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :). IDE?? try: hdparm -d1 -m16 -A1 -a64 -u1 -X70 /dev/hda |
| 03:03.36 | cheako | jbrks: Spin down after 7 min? |
| 03:03.44 | jbrks | cheako, ya.. you have a problem with that? |
| 03:04.05 | jbrks | or you just trolling? |
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| 03:04.16 | cheako | jbrks: Just confirming that's what you were after. |
| 03:05.13 | k-man | Na_Klar, I know - I was having a knee jerk reaction to discovering I could hear mush in my 160kbs mp3s (i must have made a mistake when I encoded as I usually go for 192kbs and that has proved fine for my ears) |
| 03:06.07 | kristian-aalborg | ... and kernel 2.6.20 is cool with squeeze? |
| 03:06.29 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; please define 'cool'? |
| 03:06.40 | kristian-aalborg | it will most likely run |
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| 03:19.18 | Na_Klar | hm, ^^ how do I update a specific software if there is a new versino of it? just apt-get install xxx ? |
| 03:20.41 | MSTRCNVS | Na_Klar: apt-get or aptitude upgrade should be useful too |
| 03:21.16 | Na_Klar | mstrcnvs, I did apt-get -s upgrade but the specific software was not listed .. |
| 03:22.09 | MSTRCNVS | Na_Klar: but with apt-get install xxx did it was updated? |
| 03:22.40 | MSTRCNVS | Na_Klar: btw, why did you use the -s flag? |
| 03:23.01 | Na_Klar | mstrcnvs, well it said 0 updated, 1 installed, 0 removed and 29 not updated |
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| 03:23.11 | Na_Klar | mstrcnvs, yeah to simulate before I mess up something |
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| 03:24.19 | MSTRCNVS | Na_Klar: sometimes packages do not get installed because some dependencies broken or something related, you got to know, apt-get install xxx should list the reasons |
| 03:26.02 | kristian-aalborg | can someone guide me through this kernel building? This is the template: http://dag.wieers.com/howto/thinkpad/770/ |
| 03:26.12 | Na_Klar | mstrcnvs, apt-get -s install xxx did not report any errors. I am just confused since it does not say 1 updated but 1 new installed. |
| 03:26.36 | kristian-aalborg | and I got the 2.6.20 kernel, the Debian will be 6.0 |
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| 03:36.57 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: I really can't figure out this problem, I'm already looking to reinstall debian on the machine to solve this :/ |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: i fixed my issue .. i've got about 30 minutes to fix yours :) |
| 03:38.06 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: let's see what we've got |
| 03:38.43 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: that's the *pre*inst file for that package? |
| 03:39.13 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: yes |
| 03:39.58 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: put an 'exit 0' on the second line .. try again .. also, make sure your drive isn't full |
| 03:40.55 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: how can I check this although this is improbable |
| 03:41.00 | abrotman | df -h |
| 03:41.21 | Derpadong | Why cant debian have a way to let you pick and choose what you want? |
| 03:41.26 | Derpadong | =| |
| 03:41.27 | abrotman | vague! |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | Derpadong: pick your nose? |
| 03:41.53 | Derpadong | No |
| 03:42.01 | Derpadong | Like pick what packages you want |
| 03:42.04 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | uhm .. you can .. try 'aptitude' |
| 03:42.10 | Derpadong | I wish It could pick my nose |
| 03:42.27 | Derpadong | I mean when doing it via netinstall |
| 03:42.31 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: none of my partitions is more than 1% used, laughed, looking for your instructions, wait a sec |
| 03:42.34 | abrotman | you still can if you really want |
| 03:43.31 | Derpadong | How abrotman? |
| 03:43.37 | Dulak | hmmm, that gives me an idea for a shell script to feed a script to the shell, and then move the exit line down one, rinse, repeat till it finds the line that has the error... |
| 03:44.09 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: with the exit 0 in the preinst script now I'm getting only the error related to the postrm |
| 03:44.31 | Dulak | MSTRCNVS: you are on squeeze? |
| 03:44.38 | MSTRCNVS | Dulak: yesd |
| 03:44.41 | Dulak | MSTRCNVS: what package is it? |
| 03:44.47 | MSTRCNVS | Dulak: libpam-modules |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | Derpadong: you can pre-seed it for starters .. but it's really not worth it .. just skip tasksel, run aptitude when you're done |
| 03:45.05 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: need a paste |
| 03:45.42 | buhman | how do I add an init.d script to all runlevels? |
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| 03:45.51 | abrotman | man update-rc.d ? |
| 03:46.03 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/145287/ |
| 03:46.29 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: and if I insert a 'exit 0' in the postrm script too? |
| 03:46.44 | abrotman | sure .. go for it |
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| 03:48.49 | buhman | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:48.50 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: it keeps giving http://paste.debian.net/145288/ |
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| 03:51.26 | jerware | moin. |
| 03:51.55 | jerware | I want to cp my entire debian set up to bigger new hard drive. What tool is best? |
| 03:52.08 | jerware | should I tar root? |
| 03:52.15 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: can the system be rebooted ? |
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| 03:52.52 | simonlnu | jerware: you don't want to be grabbing stuff like /proc /sys /tmp /dev and things like that, so no |
| 03:53.06 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: yes, something more? (: |
| 03:53.28 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: touch /forcefsck;reboot |
| 03:53.55 | jerware | simonlnu: why wouldn't I need that. |
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| 03:54.12 | jerware | I just wanna throw my stuff onto a bigger hard drive. |
| 03:54.17 | abrotman | they're dynamic |
| 03:54.40 | simonlnu | because you don't to back that stuff up. they're dynamic, and it's a waste of space to do so. |
| 03:54.57 | somiaj | jerware: I would say boot into a live cd (so you aren't running off your root filesystem), rysnc your root to a partition/file system on the new drive. and then chroot into it to set up grub. |
| 03:55.10 | simonlnu | don't have to* |
| 03:55.13 | Derpadong | Hm.. |
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| 03:55.51 | alazare619 | i netinstalled debian |
| 03:55.56 | alazare619 | then installed gnome-keyring |
| 03:56.02 | alazare619 | but its not asking to save my passwords any idea why |
| 03:56.17 | abrotman | it hates you |
| 03:56.27 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: that'll probably take awhile eh ? |
| 03:56.43 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for it ;) |
| 03:56.49 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: done |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | oh .. that's not 'awhile' |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: okay .. try to install those packages again |
| 03:57.06 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: that's a little while |
| 03:57.13 | MSTRCNVS | with upgrade of -f install? |
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| 03:58.03 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: with upgrade of -f install? |
| 03:58.23 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: i was thinking like 30 minutes :) |
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| 03:58.33 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: dpkg --configure -a .. should suffice |
| 03:59.04 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: this command after of before aptitude upgradew |
| 03:59.26 | abrotman | if you do it after, won't do anything .. either that or -f install is fine |
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| 04:01.02 | cheako | Any improvements/speedups for pioneer trail? |
| 04:01.16 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/145289/ |
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| 04:03.24 | abrotman | that script shouldn't be there AFAIK |
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| 04:05.10 | MSTRCNVS | this thing is bothering me up, I am dealing with this problem (not intensively) for about 2 weeks... |
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| 04:06.04 | abrotman | MSTRCNVS: well .. i need ot head off to sleep .. i'll be around a bit tomorrow during the day (eastern us) .. more people around then anyway |
| 04:06.46 | MSTRCNVS | abrotman: ok, thank you for the attention, good night btw |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | night .. hopefully we can figure this out |
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| 04:08.50 | ReastDaBeast | Please Please check out my Gaming channel http://www.youtube.com/user/ReastDaBeastGaming |
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| 04:10.21 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: pre-installation script need to be placed in locations like that, because the pkg is not unpacked at the time they are run. |
| 04:10.54 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: Can you take a look at the !# in the pre-install script? |
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| 04:12.08 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: #!/bin/sh |
| 04:13.12 | cheako | Yeah, I see that. |
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| 04:13.45 | cheako | Is that file executable on your system... have to check, it's the most likely solution. |
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| 04:14.04 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: how do I list with permissions with 'ls' ? |
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| 04:14.23 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: I'd use stat, but it's ls -l |
| 04:15.13 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: libpam-modules.preinst is executable by g, u and o |
| 04:15.26 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 258 Nov 14 02:12 libpam-modules.preinst |
| 04:15.41 | cheako | haha... Let me show you. |
| 04:15.54 | jbrks | MSTRCNVS, ls -la < -a shows hidden files |
| 04:16.04 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/ZCbU5VWD <-- like that. |
| 04:16.26 | jbrks | MSTRCNVS, ls -lad */ <shows directories in only current directory , if you want to be fancy you can use --directories-first |
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| 04:16.47 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: do you want this with the preinst script? |
| 04:17.15 | jbrks | ,/group-directories-first |
| 04:17.18 | jbrks | hehe |
| 04:17.40 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: The file that is loaded is as the output says... Because the _new_ package is not unpacked, so libpam-modules.preinst should not exist at this point... but the old libpam-modules.preinst is unpacked. |
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| 04:18.16 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: No, check /bin/sh to see if it's executable. |
| 04:18.31 | cheako | I know it seams dumb, but just look. |
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| 04:18.43 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: Access: (0777/lrwxrwxrwx) |
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| 04:18.52 | MSTRCNVS | yes it is |
| 04:19.03 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: Look at the file the link points to. |
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| 04:19.18 | cheako | 0777 is not valid, usually. |
| 04:19.36 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: which link, /bin/sh? |
| 04:20.25 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: it points to /bin/dash and it is Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) |
| 04:20.28 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: Yes, the error you are getting could be for either the file it's self or any #! and even of a #! in a #!. |
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| 04:21.07 | Xenguy | You're welcome - please share this far and wide on your side of the world, OK? :-) |
| 04:21.26 | Xenguy | ww |
| 04:21.37 | cheako | Xenguy: You got it! |
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| 04:23.34 | MSTRCNVS | cheako? |
| 04:23.38 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: http://pastebin.com/j16qm1Re |
| 04:23.51 | cheako | hmm. |
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| 04:24.43 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: What about the folders /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci? stat /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci; stat /var/lib/dpkg; stat /var/lib; stat /var |
| 04:25.29 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci doesn't exists |
| 04:25.52 | cheako | hmm. and the others? |
| 04:26.29 | cheako | Should be 0755 all. |
| 04:27.05 | cheako | You know, try pointing /bin/sh at /bin/bash for a second. |
| 04:27.11 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: others are all 0755 |
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| 04:27.27 | simonlnu | those are temporary files created by dpkg during the unpacking process |
| 04:27.35 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: it is secure to rm and create a new link the manual way or uninstall dash? |
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| 04:28.05 | cheako | If that's the issue then file a bug about it against libpam-modules about bash to dash transition. |
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| 04:28.31 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: mv /bin/sh /bin/sh-; ln -s bash /bin/sh; |
| 04:28.50 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: To go back, just mv /bin/sh /bin/sh--; mv /bin/sh- /bin/sh |
| 04:29.03 | cheako | Do them on one line so it happens fast, just in case. |
| 04:29.14 | cheako | For example you could mess up a cron job. |
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| 04:30.12 | MSTRCNVS | cheak: keep getting the same erros with bash |
| 04:30.39 | cheako | I'd have to test, but ln -s bash /bin/sh--; ln -s dash /bin/sh-; mv /bin/sh-- /bin/sh; 3 should work. |
| 04:30.53 | cheako | hmm. |
| 04:31.13 | cheako | I don't have a 64bit system, so I couldn't test. |
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| 04:33.07 | cheako | Try this: in a test folder with the pkg copied into it, ar x libpam-modules_1.1.1-6.1+squeeze1_amd64.deb; tar -xzvf control.tar.gz ./preinst ./postrm; # Then test run these scripts. |
| 04:33.29 | jbrks | MSTRCNVS, dont mess with things.. /bin/sh should be pointing to /bin/dash |
| 04:33.33 | jbrks | (and not /bin/bash) |
| 04:33.55 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: What about apparmor? Take a look at dmsg output. |
| 04:35.39 | jbrks | MSTRCNVS, why not use dpaste.com ? |
| 04:36.15 | MSTRCNVS | jbrks: why not paste.debian.net? |
| 04:36.25 | jbrks | i don't know why people mention apparmor or selinux.. does anyone ever use this stuff? |
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| 04:36.50 | jbrks | MSTRCNVS, well dpaste.com has nice features.. |
| 04:36.52 | jbrks | :) |
| 04:37.07 | jbrks | no ads.. but paste.debian.net looks ad-free too.. |
| 04:37.11 | jbrks | so cant complain on that :) |
| 04:39.07 | jbrks | MSTRCNVS, you still trying to look into that dpkg preinst script? |
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| 04:40.27 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: ran the scripts without any problem |
| 04:45.13 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: That's really to bad. The only other thing I can think of is to make the tmp.ci folder and place the script there followed by a: strace dpke --unpack libpam-modules_1.1.1-6.1+squeeze1_amd64.deb |
| 04:45.38 | cheako | Hopefully strace will point out the real problem. |
| 04:45.44 | cheako | ...or it will work. |
| 04:46.05 | cheako | oops, you'll want strace -f |
| 04:46.12 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: and I make que tmp.ci folder with that preinst and postrm scripts that I got from the libpam-modules deb? |
| 04:46.47 | MSTRCNVS | and if* |
| 04:46.48 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: Yup, try and do what dpkg is doing... only don't mess up. |
| 04:47.43 | cheako | You'r likely to be overwritten, but stradce will show that. |
| 04:49.34 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: Also be sure dmsg shows nothing. |
| 04:49.40 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci is removed during a "cleanup" and the files that I place inside it got removed before executed |
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| 04:50.02 | cheako | hmm. |
| 04:50.29 | cheako | Did the strace show anything useful? |
| 04:50.36 | kristian-aalborg | jbrks, what was the name of the software you used to make the ISO? |
| 04:50.39 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: and I can't install strace, every package that I try to install or update ends up with this libpam-modules error.... |
| 04:51.26 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: Ohh, wow... I knew not including strace in the default install was going to bite ppl. |
| 04:52.04 | cheako | You can install things with ar and tar, or you can just unpack strace and try and run the app from a temp folder. |
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| 04:52.51 | Tony | can anyone recommend a good VPS or Dedicated Hosting Company for around $100 / month? I'm looking for 4GB Ram. Thank you. |
| 04:52.56 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: gr, I'm really confused with this problem, I think I'll take up a fresh install since I don't have data to backup in this machine |
| 04:53.09 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: ar x strace_*.deb; tar -xzvf data.tar.gz /usr/bin/strace; |
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| 04:53.52 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: If you discover the problem you can try and insure others won't fall pray. |
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| 04:54.25 | jbrks | Tony, well you would like to have fast access to it? I'd choose the closest ones |
| 04:54.31 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: I know, but I'm getting bored with this |
| 04:54.37 | cheako | ...Though it could be something with that box and not likely to exist any where else. |
| 04:54.42 | Evil_Donut | MSTRCNVS: paste.debian.net seems kinda slow |
| 04:55.01 | jbrks | Evil_Donut, ya.. it is.. but he was revolting my suggestion earlier :) |
| 04:55.15 | cheako | Evil_Donut: Are you benchmarking it with random IO of 4k block? |
| 04:55.33 | Tony | jbrks > I live in US, NC. Most VPS offer instant access. I know Linode is popular, and I'm currently with Zerigo, but I know I can get better bang for my buck |
| 04:55.49 | Evil_Donut | cheako: erm... no :) |
| 04:56.10 | jbrks | Tony, i'd choose one that offers kvm-over-ip.. that way if the system is ever locked out, you can see everything bios, etc.. |
| 04:56.31 | Evil_Donut | dpaste.com seems faster, simpler. |
| 04:56.50 | Tony | <jbrks> can you recommend any providers? looked on Google, but its a mess |
| 04:57.25 | MSTRCNVS | cheako: thank you for the attention, I have to sleep now (: |
| 04:57.34 | jbrks | Tony, i didn't purchase one yet.. maybe in the next couple weeks i will.. but i know there's a very reliable and great data center on this island i live on.. |
| 04:57.50 | cheako | MSTRCNVS: nite. |
| 04:57.55 | jbrks | don't remember then name off the back of my head.. but it's a huge data center hometown |
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| 04:58.19 | Tony | <jbrks> which island? |
| 04:58.38 | jbrks | Tony, i'm not in the us.. |
| 04:58.44 | jbrks | Tony, montreal |
| 04:59.04 | cheako | I get only a two hop difference from paste.debian.net and dpaste.com. |
| 04:59.10 | Tony | <jbrks> I want to visit montreal :) It's beautiful |
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| 04:59.23 | jbrks | no it isnt.. hhahah |
| 04:59.33 | cheako | Are there any good tracepath comparison apps? |
| 04:59.59 | jbrks | the snow rips the streets.. it looks like dogpoo once all the wetsnow dries up for the summer |
| 05:00.50 | jbrks | Tony, you ever heard about kvm-over-ip ? |
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| 05:01.16 | Tony | jbrks> I did, but never looked into it |
| 05:01.41 | cheako | paste.debian.net has major RTT issues after hitting US.eurorings.net -> NL.eurorings.net for me. |
| 05:01.57 | jbrks | Tony, you know the crap vps/dedicated providers place on their customers.. Is if there's a lockout, there's a "reset" fee.. and they wipe everything out |
| 05:02.38 | Tony | <jbrks> how exactly does a lockout happen? |
| 05:03.13 | jbrks | Tony, with kvm-over-ip, you see the screen as if it's in front of you.. before the OS is even booted, you can have control over your machine.. throu a web page.. |
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| 05:03.32 | cheako | SanDiego1 for dpaste.com, major jump in RTT is at Chicago2.Level3.net -> Dallas1.Level3.net. 66 to 90 VS 88 to 173 for the intercontinental link. |
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| 05:03.43 | jbrks | Tony, well let's say you messed something up.. like your ssh crashed or you updated a package or something.. |
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| 05:04.43 | Tony | <jbrks> with hosts like Linode or Zerigo that's not a concern. If you mess up something you don't get locked out, you can restore from a Snapshot image for example, or within 90 seconds I have a fresh install to play with |
| 05:05.04 | cheako | jbrks: rackspace has somethihng like that, though since it's xenish there is no bios during bootstrap. |
| 05:05.28 | cheako | Though you get console access never the less. |
| 05:05.31 | jbrks | Tony, looks like they have debian 4.. that sux.. |
| 05:05.57 | Tony | <jbrks> Both Zerigo and Linode have Debian 6 |
| 05:05.57 | jbrks | Tony, hopefully there's a way to upgrade it or something.. |
| 05:06.27 | jbrks | Tony, maybe this particular page is not update im looking at (http://www.linode.com/features.cfm) |
| 05:06.32 | Tony | <jbrks> Linode even has Ubuntu 11.10, which is kinda cool if you want to setup a webserver with NGINX |
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| 05:07.03 | jbrks | lol.. their faq is updated.. aha |
| 05:07.09 | jbrks | yup yup |
| 05:08.31 | jbrks | Tony, so how long you're trying linode for? |
| 05:11.04 | Tony | <jbrks> haven't tried linode yet |
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| 05:12.04 | jbrks | Tony, well if you want to checkout popularity, alexa may provide some hints -- i think it may have been this one i was referring to montreal-- http://www.gogax.com/about/index.php#services |
| 05:12.39 | jbrks | they offer services over 50 countries.. and if they are good then they must of been servicing for quite some time.. |
| 05:13.52 | jbrks | we don't get weather disasters like elsewhere in the world.. probably a reason why such a datacenter can exists here.. |
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| 05:14.40 | cheako | One consideration I'd have is government oversight... Say you needed to host something like the DeCSS, not specificity the DeCSS but something like it not yet invented.... |
| 05:15.05 | jbrks | cheako, that's called a patent. |
| 05:15.06 | jbrks | lol |
| 05:15.22 | cheako | A company that has DC in 50 countries might feel presser from some of these to enforce these *rules* in other countries. |
| 05:15.55 | boudiccas | cheako; presser? |
| 05:16.24 | cheako | jbrks: Hmm, patent is on an operation a way of doing things. Thus patent's wouldn't cover the DeCSS as it's likely uniq in the way it goes about it's business. |
| 05:16.53 | cheako | boudiccas: I can't spell. Force. |
| 05:17.15 | jbrks | Tony, i like the idea of kvm-over-ip it really beats anything else .. because you really do have 100% control.. |
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| 05:17.30 | cheako | They may be forced to stop doing business in say the US if they don't stop a server thta's running in Japan. |
| 05:17.45 | felispeskus | so, why would restarting xen restart networking? |
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| 05:24.01 | Lewoco_ | ccmake (an ncurses app) works ok if I set TERM=vt100 but not if I leave TERM at the default TERM=xterm. |
| 05:24.17 | cheako | felispeskus: I don't know, explain. Perhaps each box got a new MAC address. |
| 05:24.18 | Lewoco_ | What do I have to do to fix ncurses for xterms? |
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| 05:24.35 | felispeskus | cheako: no, it resarted the networking on dom0 |
| 05:24.48 | felispeskus | so the box is lots |
| 05:24.55 | felispeskus | lost, rather. |
| 05:25.04 | jbrks | Lewoco_, you using linode? |
| 05:25.05 | cheako | felispeskus: Yeah, explain. |
| 05:25.20 | Lewoco_ | jbrks, I don't think so... |
| 05:25.32 | felispeskus | /etc/init.d/xend restart --> DHCPRELEASE on eth2 to ... port 67 |
| 05:25.41 | jbrks | Lewoco_, lol.. cuse this other dude was a few days ago.. and libncurses isn't installed with the base |
| 05:26.02 | cheako | Lewoco_: Not all x-terminals have to support xterm. |
| 05:26.20 | Lewoco_ | cheako, I'm noticing xterm-color seems to allow ccmake to run. |
| 05:26.58 | jbrks | Lewoco_, apt-get install ncurses-base |
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| 05:27.03 | cheako | Lewoco_: It'll depend largely on what application you are using as a terminal and if you are using screen. |
| 05:27.31 | Lewoco_ | jbrks, Yeah I've got it. |
| 05:27.41 | cheako | jbrks: That's odd. |
| 05:27.42 | felispeskus | cheako: do you run xend? |
| 05:27.43 | jbrks | Lewoco_, you using what, ssh/putty ? |
| 05:27.58 | Lewoco_ | jbrks, konsole |
| 05:28.19 | cheako | felispeskus: No, I don't know anything specifically about xen. However I know a lot about VM tech. |
| 05:28.37 | felispeskus | so, if you were writing init scripts for your VM platform |
| 05:28.45 | jbrks | Lewoco_, i'm not sure about konsole.. but if you simply run xterm.. test it with that.. |
| 05:28.49 | felispeskus | woud restarting your VM daemon fuck with the networking? |
| 05:29.17 | Lewoco_ | jbrks, Same prob |
| 05:29.49 | jbrks | Lewoco_, uh.. |
| 05:29.51 | cheako | Lewoco_: Try TERM=konsole-linux |
| 05:29.57 | jbrks | Lewoco_, you're saying cc is the app? |
| 05:30.04 | Lewoco_ | ccmake is the app |
| 05:30.16 | jbrks | Lewoco_, it's complaining about ncurses? what's the error message ? |
| 05:30.26 | Lewoco_ | cheako, No luck. |
| 05:30.56 | cheako | Lewoco_: konsole-256color per http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/256_colors_in_vim |
| 05:31.11 | cheako | !contaning konsole-256color |
| 05:31.26 | cheako | ncurses-term has /usr/share/terminfo/k/konsole-256color here |
| 05:31.30 | Lewoco_ | cheako, Yeah that works. |
| 05:32.20 | Lewoco_ | cheako, I don't understand why I need to set TERM manually. Should konsole set that environment variable itself before it starts the shell? |
| 05:32.29 | Lewoco_ | s/Should/Shouldn't/ |
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| 05:32.48 | cheako | Lewoco_: You can set it in ~/.profile |
| 05:32.52 | jbrks | Lewoco_, maybe you can also use TERM=linux |
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| 05:33.11 | Lewoco_ | Well I don't want to set it in my startup scripts since I don't always use konsole. |
| 05:33.34 | jbrks | Lewoco_, btw, i believe vt102 is better than vt100 :) |
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| 05:38.52 | cheako | Lewoco_: I'm sure there is some way of detecting if you are running under konsole. Try dumping the env in .profile and see if there is a simple test you can make. |
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| 05:39.45 | Lewoco_ | cheako, Apparently you can configure konsole's starting environment. |
| 05:40.01 | Lewoco_ | cheako, I'm just boggled that the default is 'xterm' instead of 'konsole'. |
| 05:40.31 | Lewoco_ | Maybe so that ncurses at least sorta works even if you don't have the complete terminfo database? |
| 05:40.41 | Mashed | cheako does it not appear under `set` |
| 05:40.48 | jbrks | Lewoco_, the terminfo database is used |
| 05:40.58 | jbrks | Lewoco_, that's why i asked you to check.. |
| 05:41.30 | jbrks | it's odd, but linode strips away that package/related ncurse pacakge on their minimal debian install |
| 05:41.35 | kleanchap | I know that iceweasel is Firefox on Linux. Why did they do this? I like Firefox across all platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac etc.). |
| 05:41.39 | cheako | Mashed: I'm not a fan of KDE so I wouldn't know. Though I think Lewoco_ found the options. |
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| 05:42.02 | jbrks | kleanchap, trademarks.. |
| 05:42.06 | Mashed | cheako: sorry I didn't read your message properly I thought you were the one asking the question. |
| 05:42.11 | cheako | kleanchap: Bring on the pain. |
| 05:42.11 | jbrks | kleanchap, mozilla foundation owns the name firefox |
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| 05:42.57 | bitcycle | Hey all. How to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 05:42.57 | kleanchap | Why is firefox not available to install via aptitude or part of the default install? |
| 05:43.09 | jbrks | kleanchap, i explained it.. |
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| 05:43.55 | Styles | Hey guys, I'm not exactly understanding shells. I would like to disable ssh for a user but let me su to the user. |
| 05:44.00 | cheako | !tell kleanchap why iceweasel |
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| 05:44.11 | kleanchap | jbrks, iceweasel engine is firefox browser engine. Am I right? |
| 05:44.21 | cheako | !why iceweasel |
| 05:44.27 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 05:45.31 | bitcycle | Can someone point me to a tutorial on how to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 05:45.33 | jbrks | kleanchap, sources are often tailored to a particular distro.. the debian team doesn't ask mozilla to compile programs for them.. |
| 05:45.51 | kleanchap | Ahh... |
| 05:45.52 | cheako | !wheezy |
| 05:45.52 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 05:46.16 | cheako | hmm, I'm just trying to get the hang of dpkg. |
| 05:46.26 | cheako | !stable->wheezy |
| 05:46.39 | cheako | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:46.43 | kleanchap | I thought Firefox is open source. Did they become closed source? |
| 05:46.54 | jbrks | cheako, /dpkg uses blootbot or something like it.. |
| 05:47.12 | cheako | kleanchap: I'm reading the URL now. |
| 05:47.15 | jbrks | cheako, but dont use a bot on here, you can test it locally though |
| 05:47.27 | avernos | how can i monitor the bluetooth conexion through a terminal? i would like to open a serial terminal through the bluetooth |
| 05:47.47 | jbrks | avernos, good question.. i have no clue.. :) |
| 05:47.59 | jbrks | avernos, but I can guess for you! :) |
| 05:48.08 | avernos | how could i do that with usb? |
| 05:48.09 | avernos | haha |
| 05:48.15 | jbrks | avernos, apt-get install bluetooth-tools ? , then "apropos bluetooth" should show related bluetooth commands |
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| 05:48.26 | avernos | oh |
| 05:48.41 | cheako | avernos: If using rfcomm you should be able to use any terminal application. Minicom/Kermit come to mind. |
| 05:49.00 | jbrks | avernos, i see there's gnome-bluetooth package |
| 05:49.11 | cheako | avernos: You can watch USB traffic with tcpdump now, though I'm not sure that's what you are asking. |
| 05:49.24 | kleanchap | Is there something like Realplayer to open YouTube URL, play and download those flash files? |
| 05:49.36 | jbrks | and the name is actueally bluez-utils.. the'res tons of packages in my apt-cache search |
| 05:49.44 | avernos | cheako, that was my guessing, have anyone played with arduino? what i wanted to do is to open that serial terminal that comes with the arduinoIDE manually in bash |
| 05:49.50 | avernos | same thing for bluetooth |
| 05:49.52 | jbrks | avernos, you using kde or gnome? |
| 05:49.56 | avernos | gnome |
| 05:50.04 | avernos | gnome-bluetooth is loading nicely |
| 05:50.12 | jbrks | avernos, try apt-get install gnome-bluetooth bluez-utils |
| 05:50.17 | avernos | ok |
| 05:50.40 | jbrks | avernos, you should also be able to do the bluetooth stuff in cli as well |
| 05:50.59 | jbrks | avernos, see if the the gnome gui works for it of course.. i'd prefer that as well |
| 05:51.10 | cheako | avernos: Ahh, so you are looking to get a serial console. Then ckermit is likely the pkg you are looking for. |
| 05:51.37 | cheako | It'll let you do scripting, witch I'm sure you'r needing down the line. |
| 05:51.39 | avernos | yup, serial console thats what i want |
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| 05:52.06 | jbrks | avernos, your bluetooth device offers that? |
| 05:52.16 | jbrks | avernos, sounds like a modem thing |
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| 05:52.55 | avernos | sure, i am not sure how to explain it. but i just want to monitor and eventually also to send stuff directly from the terminal |
| 05:53.24 | jbrks | avernos, check out this list.. apt-cache search blue|sort|less (use pgup/pgdwon/q to quit) |
| 05:53.57 | avernos | ok |
| 05:54.10 | jbrks | avernos, actually bluetooth keyword is better.. |
| 05:54.53 | cheako | jbrks: It's an electronics prototyping platform. So likely it has a serial-like port wired to a bluetooth radio. |
| 05:55.01 | kleanchap | How do I install a .deb package? |
| 05:55.24 | avernos | cheako, you are talking about ckermit, right? |
| 05:55.25 | somiaj | kleanchap: that is a loaded question. Where did you get this .deb package and why do you want to install it? |
| 05:55.38 | somiaj | kleanchap: I'm assuming you are running debian stable (Squeeze)? |
| 05:55.54 | cheako | avernos: Yeh, for what I'l looking at http://www.arduino.cc/ I'm sure that's the best tool for the job. |
| 05:56.31 | avernos | thanks for tips guys :) |
| 05:56.33 | kleanchap | I am running Squeeze and want to install Firefox. I have never installed a .deb package. |
| 05:56.45 | kleanchap | i.e. manually |
| 05:56.58 | avernos | cheako, i should have search there... :S completely forgot.. |
| 05:57.04 | somiaj | kleanchap: don't. .deb packages are built for a paticular version of debian (or even debian dervative) |
| 05:57.30 | somiaj | kleanchap: you don't want to just manually install one on your system, most likely this won't install nicely (as it will depend on versions of packages not in squeeze) |
| 05:58.01 | somiaj | kleanchap: if you want firefox install iceweasle. If the version in squeeze is to old, get iceweasle from backports or check mozilla.debian.net (I belive that is the right place) |
| 05:58.32 | cheako | kleanchap: Like somiaj said, Firefox will need to be compiled against the system you are running. Slight changes in software versions will cause it not to even load. |
| 05:59.09 | somiaj | kleanchap: you can run the firefox proper if you really want to. In that case I suggest you grab the .tar version in which you can extract it into your $HOME dir run the binaries from there (though you may have to install additional liabaries). |
| 05:59.18 | cheako | kleanchap: Even more so, if you get the source and try to compile it... You'll run into needing to patch it for the versions of software you have installed. |
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| 06:01.59 | cheako | somiaj: In today?s systems that's becoming less likely to work. It's because it's so easy for a Distribution to bring in a new ABI and seamlessly update the rest of the system to match. The concept of being able to download something like Doom or Quake and have that binary run on every Linux system out there is going away. |
| 06:02.07 | somiaj | running the stacit compiled tar from firefox.org is fairly easy |
| 06:02.36 | somiaj | cheako: yea its getting harder and harder. Though last time I checked firefox's binaries worked just fine. (: |
| 06:02.40 | somiaj | that was version 7 though. |
| 06:03.13 | cheako | somiaj: ..ohh static compiled. Yeah, did you kone that krb3 and above reject any attempt at static linking, we are on krb5 BTW. |
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| 06:04.02 | cheako | They have no intention of fixing it, calming that "Every one NEEDS to be able to dynamically load ciphers." |
| 06:04.12 | somiaj | cheako: krb? |
| 06:04.42 | cheako | somiaj: Kerberos, but it also does all types of encryption. |
| 06:05.41 | cheako | somiaj: In the case of FF that means no support for Negotiated(GSSAPI) authentication. |
| 06:05.42 | Styles | How would like to disable ssh for a user but let me su to the user. |
| 06:05.47 | Styles | I* |
| 06:06.10 | somiaj | cheako: Ahh. Nope wasn't aware of that. I think static linking is just frowned upon because its not DFSG free. Though I would assume they haev valid reasons for that with security and encryption? |
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| 06:07.06 | somiaj | Styles: multiple ways. You don't have to allow users login ability to su to them. Or you can set up a list of users that sshd will not allow to login via an sshd_config. |
| 06:07.31 | cheako | somiaj: Perhaps, like simple patching. However there thinking is that if your system uses SHA256 today you will need dynamic linking so you can link in SHA512 tomorrow. |
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| 06:08.00 | cheako | I said buldardash, because I can link all that in statically. |
| 06:08.13 | Styles | somiaj: Well I'm trying to add a user for irssi and then su ot the user when ever I want to check irc for example. |
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| 06:08.38 | Styles | and for debian I have it set to /bin/false (no login)? |
| 06:08.40 | cheako | There just trying to be uncooperative. |
| 06:08.59 | jbrks | Styles, that's if you dont want him to login.. |
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| 06:09.16 | somiaj | Styles: correct that prevents any login attempts (but you can su to him just fine as root) |
| 06:09.48 | somiaj | Styles: or another privlaged user. You can also tell sshd to only allow logins of paticular users (I prefer that over denying paticular users which you can do to) |
| 06:09.49 | Styles | Right I don't want the account to have login access hold on I'll get you the error generated then |
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| 06:10.22 | Styles | su irssi doesn't do anything now |
| 06:10.23 | jbrks | Styles, you locked that user's ability to login at all.. |
| 06:10.33 | Styles | with /bin/false ? |
| 06:10.35 | Styles | ok |
| 06:10.53 | jbrks | Styles, if you use su, you might be able to change the shell with a option to su |
| 06:11.13 | Styles | I just want a user with no access but to the irssi process |
| 06:11.34 | Styles | And no significant privs |
| 06:11.48 | jbrks | Styles, then maybe you can set a path to "irssi" in /etc/shells and set that as his default shell with usermod |
| 06:12.05 | Styles | If I can login w/ irssi sure w/e but I don't want them to be able to su to another user or anything, just only their screen to irssi |
| 06:12.06 | Styles | ok |
| 06:12.36 | jbrks | `which irssi` >> /etc/shells |
| 06:12.51 | Dewi | Styles: you can force a user to run just one command in the sshd config |
| 06:13.00 | Styles | How? |
| 06:13.15 | jbrks | Styles, by doing what i'm telling you.. |
| 06:13.18 | jbrks | Styles, lol |
| 06:13.34 | Dewi | jbrks: not that way |
| 06:13.40 | Styles | bash: which irssi: command not found |
| 06:14.01 | cheako | "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." |
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| 06:14.15 | Dewi | Styles: in $/.ssh/authorized_keys you can place a number of restrictions on the usage of a key |
| 06:14.45 | Styles | I don't know what that means Dewi sorry |
| 06:15.08 | Dewi | Styles: why do you need to restrict access? |
| 06:15.34 | Dewi | Styles: because irssi lets you run commands |
| 06:15.39 | jbrks | Styles, usermod -s /<path to irssi/ <username> (add path to irssi to /etc/shells of course) |
| 06:15.46 | Dewi | Styles: so there's not much point allowing access to irssi and denying access to the shell |
| 06:16.01 | Styles | Ok. |
| 06:16.20 | jbrks | Styles, probably you can enforce a global setting not to run shell commands.. i don't use irssi so i cant help on that.. |
| 06:16.21 | Dewi | unless you can lock that down too |
| 06:16.21 | Styles | So it shouldn't matter what user runs irssi as long as it's not root? |
| 06:16.23 | Dewi | and probably modules to be safe |
| 06:16.34 | cheako | Styles: set the shell to /bin/false and then use "su -s /bin/bash -" |
| 06:16.34 | Styles | I don't care for any modules. |
| 06:16.44 | Styles | ok |
| 06:17.08 | Dewi | Styles: are you going to be giving random strangers access to this account? |
| 06:17.13 | cheako | Styles: You can also go with the diabling access in the sshd_config file. |
| 06:17.24 | Styles | No Dewi |
| 06:17.34 | Dewi | Styles: so why not just create a normal user account and ssh to it? |
| 06:17.35 | Styles | But if a random person did have access, I don't want them to be able to do anything. |
| 06:17.45 | jbrks | Styles, the only other thing i can think of is to make a jailroot. . |
| 06:18.02 | Dewi | that's probably a good idea |
| 06:18.12 | Styles | if I su -s /bin/bash irssi |
| 06:18.12 | cheako | Styles: This is where apparmor would come into play. |
| 06:18.13 | Dewi | not easy to set up though |
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| 06:18.15 | antii | hi |
| 06:18.19 | Styles | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 06:18.28 | Styles | (assuming it can't create it since theres no access) |
| 06:18.30 | Styles | screen -S irssi |
| 06:18.34 | cheako | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/apparmor/2011-July/001264.html |
| 06:18.35 | Dewi | irssi is not a shell |
| 06:18.45 | Dewi | I don't think treating it like a shell is necessarily a good idea |
| 06:18.55 | Styles | Ok |
| 06:19.00 | Styles | So would a normal account /bin/bash be best? |
| 06:19.16 | jbrks | lol |
| 06:19.18 | Styles | I just don't want thi saccount to have access to anything just their /home/irssi/ then |
| 06:19.22 | jbrks | jailroot would be best.. |
| 06:19.31 | jbrks | ^. The best of the best.. |
| 06:19.31 | Dewi | Styles: what you are asking for doesn't really make sense |
| 06:19.53 | Styles | How does it not Dewi ? |
| 06:20.10 | Styles | I just want an account with no access but irssi. chroot /home/irssi/ |
| 06:20.15 | cheako | Styles: You keep changing what you want. |
| 06:20.29 | Dewi | Styles: if you really want *an account* that can only access irssi, you need chroot |
| 06:20.44 | Dewi | Styles: if you wanted a login method that can only *start* irssi, that is doable |
| 06:20.48 | cheako | Styles: I think you are talking about apparmor, where any user running irssi would be unable to say spawn a shell. |
| 06:20.49 | Dewi | but they could still escape irssi easily |
| 06:20.59 | jbrks | thinks Styles is a criminal and deserves jailroot badly |
| 06:21.19 | Styles | criminal? huh? lol |
| 06:21.43 | Styles | never herad of apparmor |
| 06:21.45 | Styles | heard* |
| 06:21.46 | antii | how can I update chromium in debian? doesent seem to have the latest version in apt-get :/ |
| 06:22.15 | kleanchap | I have 2 wifi access points. I would like the system to switch to the 2nd AP when the 1st AP is down. My first AP is a Netgear device and don't know why it keeps dropping the connect once every 24 hours. I have to reboot the device and then it is fine. |
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| 06:22.34 | Dewi | antii: chromium has its own apt repo |
| 06:22.38 | cheako | Styles: It prevents things bases on file names, like selinux in other respects. |
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| 06:22.39 | kleanchap | How can I set up this fail over setup? |
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| 06:23.18 | antii | Dewi: you know what it is? |
| 06:23.27 | Dewi | antii: which channel you want? stable/beta/dev? |
| 06:23.32 | antii | stable |
| 06:24.12 | Dewi | antii: actually I think if you just install the deb it sets it up for you |
| 06:24.28 | Dewi | antii: the chrome one I mean. Do you want chrome or chromium? |
| 06:24.45 | antii | Dewi: whats the difference? |
| 06:24.54 | atruno | is it possible to get debian squeeze iso 6.0.3 with non-free debian repo archive packages in the installer ? |
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| 06:25.04 | Dewi | antii: not much |
| 06:25.14 | jbrks | atruno, ya.. the installer will ask you if you want to add it.. you simply choose yes |
| 06:25.25 | atruno | thank you |
| 06:25.27 | Dewi | antii: the debs here set it up for you http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html?platform=linux |
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| 06:25.30 | antii | Dewi: what do you recommend? |
| 06:25.46 | jbrks | atruno, it doesnt include the package in the dvd, but it adds the apt rule, so it can download the debs from the net |
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| 06:26.21 | cheako | kleanchap: Consider using a wifi mesh? |
| 06:26.44 | kleanchap | cheako, yes |
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| 06:33.43 | tmi92 | Hey is there anyone that can assist me in connecting my SAMBA to my AD in WIn 2008 R2? |
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| 06:34.06 | tmi92 | keep getting NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 06:34.07 | atruno | jbrks, so its partially disk install along with network install ? |
| 06:34.43 | jbrks | atruno, i believe u can serve that iso off a tftp server |
| 06:35.19 | jbrks | atruno, a basic install of debian can be used with the normal 1/XX cd or dvd |
| 06:35.26 | jbrks | as well |
| 06:35.46 | jbrks | (meaning just the first iso of the pack!) |
| 06:36.24 | atruno | jbrks, but the non-free debian support is it also in the live installer dvd ? |
| 06:36.41 | antii | Dewi: thanks |
| 06:36.50 | jbrks | atruno, thought i explained it.. the installer adds an "apt" rule, so that you can easily download non-free later |
| 06:37.26 | jbrks | atruno, the netinst i haven't tried.. but i'm suspecting it'll ask the same prompt if u want to add it.. |
| 06:37.35 | cheako | tmi92: Just following the check-list on the Wiki page. 1. Clocks in sync? |
| 06:37.36 | atruno | thank you understood no problem |
| 06:37.37 | jbrks | atruno, i know for the cd/dvd iso it does |
| 06:38.07 | cheako | tmi92: 2. does kinit work against the AD controller? |
| 06:38.14 | jbrks | cheako, set both OSes to use UTC |
| 06:38.24 | tmi92 | kinit works yes |
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| 06:38.59 | tmi92 | linux server doesn't seem to see windows as ntp server although setup to be |
| 06:39.12 | cheako | jbrks: It's important that the clocks match, not the Time zone. I.E. GMT on both boxes must match. |
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| 06:39.46 | cheako | The output of: TZ=GMT date |
| 06:39.59 | tmi92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.24 | cheako | tmi92: Do the clocks match? You can set the time manually. |
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| 06:42.28 | tmi92 | yes they are as close as I can get them within a min or so |
| 06:42.37 | tmi92 | can't get them exact |
| 06:43.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i find out what version of pam i have installed |
| 06:43.36 | cheako | hmm, that should be OK. As I remember you can be +-5min... Though windows might freak. |
| 06:43.55 | cheako | http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/tardis.htm Is what I've used. |
| 06:44.00 | tmi92 | well just keep getting no server suitable for synchronization |
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| 06:45.01 | cheako | tmi92: In windows? That's because windows dosn't do NTP. |
| 06:45.46 | tmi92 | no from the debian machine when I run ntpdate winserver.domain.net |
| 06:45.55 | cheako | I forget what it does, perhaps it just takes the time from port 37(timserver) |
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| 06:46.28 | tmi92 | all the tutorials show use ntpdate on PDC |
| 06:46.39 | tmi92 | but the PDC is windows in this case |
| 06:46.59 | cheako | tmi92: Like I said, windows dosn't do NTP. I guess you could try: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263(WS.10).aspx |
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| 06:49.10 | cheako | tmi92: Well, let's keep that in mind and continue: Step 3. security = ADS in smb.conf? |
| 06:49.20 | tmi92 | yes |
| 06:49.59 | cheako | 4. kinit (Likely needs to be done as an authoritative user, one who can add client machines to the domain.) |
| 06:50.08 | cheako | 4b. net ads join |
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| 06:50.38 | tmi92 | says has to be a pdc to do that.. just wanted to do a member do you have to have linux pdc as well?? |
| 06:50.47 | tmi92 | 'net ads join' that is |
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| 06:51.41 | cheako | "You can get Linux Login's and Samba Shares to both authenticate against AD. For that, keep reading this document." Says nothing about being a pdc. |
| 06:51.44 | tmi92 | can do 'net rpc join' and asks for password but when I enter the debian server password is when I get the 'NT_LOGON_FAILED |
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| 06:52.33 | cheako | No, you need to be joining the "AD"S. |
| 06:52.56 | cheako | Try kinit as administrator. |
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| 06:53.23 | tmi92 | it asks for admin password then it asks for debian server password |
| 06:53.33 | tmi92 | first password passes fine but fails on second |
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| 06:53.42 | tmi92 | kinit works on any user I have set up |
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| 06:55.29 | cheako | tmi92: Well then we are likely looking at problems on the windows side of things. Is there a computer account for this system? |
| 06:55.55 | tmi92 | yes |
| 06:55.58 | cheako | "net ads join -UAdministrator" |
| 06:56.05 | cheako | tmi92: Delete it. |
| 06:56.14 | tmi92 | ok |
| 06:56.27 | cheako | The ads join needs to be able to create one. |
| 06:56.35 | cheako | ...last I looked. |
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| 06:58.43 | tmi92 | when I do net ads join it gives me host is not configure as a member server invalid configuration. exiting..... failed to join domain: THis operation is only allowed for the PDC of the domain |
| 06:58.51 | cheako | "Clock skew limits are configurable in the Kerberos protocols. The default setting is five minutes." |
| 06:59.04 | tmi92 | when I enter the -S SERVER gives me the same thing |
| 06:59.13 | tmi92 | before -U |
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| 07:01.55 | cheako | http://www.symantec.com/connect/forums/operation-only-allowed-primary-domain-controller-domain |
| 07:02.06 | cheako | "What I found was if I keep running the configuration task it will add the pc's to the domain. (Takes about 6 goes)" |
| 07:04.29 | cheako | "Server 2008 by changing the default domain controller policy to allow cryptography algorithms compatible with Windows NT 4.0. I believe the policy is located here: Default Domain Controller Policy-->Computer Configuration-->Policies-->Administrative Templates-->System-->Net Logon" |
| 07:04.59 | jokar | allL |
| 07:05.02 | jokar | hello all |
| 07:05.12 | jokar | how make a active directory in linux? |
| 07:05.35 | cheako | jokar: no, problems with windows registering a computer in AD. |
| 07:05.56 | jokar | yeah |
| 07:06.06 | jokar | but i wanna migration my windows server to the linux |
| 07:06.33 | jokar | i have a active direcory can i use samba for make a active directory like it |
| 07:06.39 | jokar | ? |
| 07:07.00 | cheako | jokar: http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba,_Active_Directory_%26_LDAP |
| 07:07.51 | jokar | Ldap like active direcory? |
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| 07:07.56 | cheako | hmm, that's not it. |
| 07:08.16 | jokar | :-/ |
| 07:08.17 | cheako | jokar: The thing is windows dosn't do LDAP!!! |
| 07:08.17 | jokar | why? |
| 07:08.52 | cheako | jokar: The Samba ppl have bent over backwards to implement AD, but the LDAP servers can't do it. |
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| 07:09.12 | cheako | The kerberos servers can't do it... but the kerberos clients can. |
| 07:09.21 | cheako | and the DNS servers can't do it. |
| 07:09.48 | jokar | cheako: in local network i have 70 Windows client |
| 07:09.52 | cheako | of all three parts to AD, SAMBA has to reimplement all of them basically from scratch to get it to work. |
| 07:10.14 | jokar | and my client have username and passwor for login |
| 07:10.20 | jokar | i have a domain |
| 07:11.03 | cheako | On top of that the changes are not usable on production level DNS/LDAP or Kerberos software. ALA the line endings in Windows text files. |
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| 07:12.33 | cheako | jokar: As illustrated with the issues of joining a Windows client to a Windows domain, not always going smoothly and in some cases not going at all... Leading to reinstaltaion of software. |
| 07:13.06 | jokar | :-( |
| 07:14.20 | jokar | i should ask in samba channel |
| 07:14.30 | cheako | Yeah. |
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| 07:19.30 | tmi92 | nope that didn't help either.. be back at it tomorrow |
| 07:19.32 | tmi92 | see ya |
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| 07:25.02 | paul3 | guys, hi, why is my sound mono? debian squeeze |
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| 07:27.02 | walle | I'm comming :) |
| 07:27.23 | walle | babilen: :) |
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| 07:35.24 | simonlnu | paul3: it feels like it |
| 07:35.47 | simonlnu | need more info |
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| 07:35.51 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 07:35.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:36.51 | paul3 | simonlnu, no, it's not that :) I mean - only one channel is playing. dunno which one 4 sure tho |
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| 07:38.03 | paul3 | simonlnu, and both channel volume controls move when I touch one of them |
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| 07:39.46 | simonlnu | speakers? headphones? |
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| 07:42.44 | Dewi | paul3: the volume thing isn't that unusual, even where stereo is working |
| 07:42.53 | Dewi | just depends on the card |
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| 07:44.02 | paul3 | speakers |
| 07:44.13 | paul3 | and I only hear one channecl :) |
| 07:44.21 | paul3 | *channel |
| 07:44.27 | Dewi | out of which speaker? |
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| 07:47.48 | paul3 | Dewi, both |
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| 07:51.28 | mastro | I just noticed Appearance and other system preferences are gone from the System menu in gnome (debian testing) ... is that expected? where are those menus |
| 07:51.30 | mastro | ? |
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| 07:56.10 | mattalexx | I just installed a barebones install of Squeeze into a VM. How can I get it to be assigned a new IP via DHCP? It is connecting to other computers via their IPs. |
| 07:56.42 | mattalexx | I am using Virtualbox and the Network apapter of the VM is "Bridged Adapter" |
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| 07:59.16 | mastro | mattalexx, if your host is connected through the network adapter that you set up as bridget AND you have a DHCP server in your network it should happen automatically |
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| 08:25.02 | Andy80 | hello |
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| 08:26.45 | Andy80 | what is the fastest way to install Gnome 3.2 in Debian sid? I see that sid only has 3.0.x packages, while 3.2.x are in experimental one... is it possible to just install 3.2 into sid? |
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| 08:33.36 | streuner__ | Andy80: basically its possible, but we dont support experimental here (/msg dpkg experimental) |
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| 08:35.48 | walle | Andy80: If you don't want problem happen on your stable system, please don't use that |
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| 08:36.11 | walle | Andy80: I think testing(wheezy) is good chooes |
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| 08:36.55 | stockholm | anyone using freenx? or neatx? |
| 08:37.00 | streuner__ | experimental is a playground of Debian Developers, feel free to break your system |
| 08:37.06 | stockholm | are there packages available? |
| 08:37.23 | walle | streuner__: :-) |
| 08:37.41 | streuner__ | judd, versions freenx |
| 08:37.42 | judd | No package named 'freenx' was found in i386. |
| 08:37.48 | streuner__ | judd, versions neatx |
| 08:37.49 | judd | No package named 'neatx' was found in i386. |
| 08:37.55 | streuner__ | dpkg, freenx |
| 08:37.56 | dpkg | FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. http://wiki.debian.org/freenx http://freenx.berlios.de/ #nx on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:38.07 | walle | streuner__: I use testing source, so I think I can use it to the end of word. |
| 08:38.09 | streuner__ | dpkg, listauth freenx |
| 08:38.11 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'freenx' returned no results. |
| 08:38.29 | walle | streuner__: I don't need to update to any version |
| 08:38.30 | streuner__ | dpkg, factinfo freenx |
| 08:38.30 | dpkg | freenx -- last modified at Thu Jan 28 03:16:21 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 119 times, last by streuner__, 35s ago. |
| 08:38.48 | streuner__ | stockholm: ^^^^ |
| 08:38.50 | Radex | hi, there is alternative for centos GATEWAYDEV=eth0 in debian? |
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| 08:39.16 | stockholm | streuner__: thanks |
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| 08:39.23 | Andy80 | walle: I'm currently on Ubuntu (I admit), but last time I used Debian sid (2 years ago) was way more stable than the latest available Ubuntu :P so.... I consider Debian sid quite stable for me and I need upgraded libs for development. The problem is that Gnome 3.2 is not in sid, it's in experimental. I'm using 3.2 on Ubuntu and it's surely more stable than Unity, so... why not giving it a chance on Debian? |
| 08:39.24 | streuner__ | stockholm: np |
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| 08:42.35 | walle | Andy80: ubuntu is an experimental version of debian with some other special non-free programs. Debian's package pool may be old than ubuntu, that's it. As fedora, some software not have official stable relese version, but fedora always think it is stable. |
| 08:43.33 | walle | Andy80: Why do you want to use g3.2? |
| 08:43.52 | streuner | walle: sns? |
| 08:44.08 | walle | streuner: ? |
| 08:44.09 | streuner | dpkg, sns |
| 08:44.09 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 08:45.15 | Andy80 | walle: because from what I've read Gnome 3.x still misses lot of things and would make me want to switch back to Unity :) while Gnome 3.2 is behaving quite good and actually is more usable than Unity, at least for me. Consider, for example, that with Unity (at the moment) you cannot drag&drop a file from Nautilus to another window.... that's absurd! With Gnome 3.2 I can do it... |
| 08:45.16 | streuner | has this disorder too, but omg experimental only if you *REALLY* need it... |
| 08:45.35 | Efazati | i have multiple /etc/hosts and i want switch between my files ... is there any way? |
| 08:45.51 | walle | streuner: I have read dpkg, but I can't understand that... |
| 08:47.16 | walle | Andy80: ok, but know gnome3.2 not in debian package, but in fedora16. I think debian will update gnome3.2 package as soon :-) |
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| 08:47.36 | Efazati | i want something like http://www.clockwise.ee/gasmask/ for linux |
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| 08:50.11 | Andy80 | walle: ok, so the simplest way for me is to keep Ubuntu+Gnome 3.2 for the moment and wait for Debian sid to have Gnome 3.2 :) |
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| 08:51.02 | atruno | this question may sound ridiculous but i thought i'd give it a shot. can you use kreski-lines gnome icons in squeeze ? |
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| 08:53.32 | jbrks | http://pastebin.com/Kw7Xp7cn .. http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/barracuda-data-sheet-ds1737.1-1111us.pdf <<< there a way to know if i have the 4k or 512 model? |
| 08:53.41 | walle | Andy80: you can try fedora16 |
| 08:53.44 | Andy80 | walle: by the way... I've probably found out how to do it http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-3.0-debian-2011-09-29-01-46 but I think I'll wait for sid to have it upgraded |
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| 08:54.59 | Andy80 | walle: I kindly thank you, but I'm not going to use an .rpm based distribution again ;) only Debian based one (as much as I can) |
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| 08:55.08 | walle | Andy80: It's release log very fancy, but I don't want to toss |
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| 08:55.16 | walle | Andy80: good luck :) |
| 08:55.18 | mattalexx | Is a stable/testing mixed system more stable than a testing system? |
| 08:55.35 | jbrks | mattalexx, no |
| 08:55.50 | mattalexx | When I say stable/testing mixed system I mean a stable system that's been hacked to allow testing packages |
| 08:55.57 | jbrks | mattalexx, no |
| 08:56.03 | mattalexx | jbrks, Thanks |
| 08:56.37 | mattalexx | Really, how much more often does the testing release break than the stable release? |
| 08:56.40 | walle | Andy80: deb and rpm is only package form, rmp based system also can use deb package mamnager(apt) |
| 08:56.59 | jbrks | mattalexx, testing is more stable than "unstable". "unstable" is for developers |
| 08:57.02 | walle | mattalexx: please only one |
| 08:57.46 | walle | mattalexx: stable : stable > testing > sid(unstable) |
| 08:57.50 | jbrks | unstable is for hackers.. |
| 08:57.54 | mattalexx | jbrks, I was only comparing testing and stable, not unstable. |
| 08:58.01 | jbrks | testing is for users who use reportbug |
| 08:58.12 | walle | jbrks: unstable only for people which want to toos |
| 08:58.21 | jbrks | mattalexx, you brought the word "hacker" .. hackers use unstable |
| 08:58.45 | mattalexx | jbrks, I was referring to this: http://forums.spry.com/debian/620-how-install-testing-packages-debian-stable-apt-get.html |
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| 08:59.26 | jbrks | mattalexx, rtfm .. Don't point me back to 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:00.03 | mattalexx | Sorry, I was just explaining what I meant by hacker |
| 09:00.12 | mattalexx | *hacking stable |
| 09:00.23 | MrMind | Hi, is there any way to install debian squeeze+kde with a netinstall iso? |
| 09:00.31 | jbrks | MrMind, no |
| 09:00.48 | MrMind | jbrks: okey, so the live cd is the only way? |
| 09:00.49 | jbrks | MrMind, you need internet for kde |
| 09:00.59 | walle | MrMind: easy |
| 09:01.35 | jbrks | MrMind, disc 1 of cd or dvd.. have x+gnome.. if they got kde i have no clue.. |
| 09:01.48 | jbrks | (not the netinst iso) |
| 09:02.03 | walle | MrMind: if you have dhcp network is just install, if you use pppoe network, you should prepare pppoe, pppoeconf package before install |
| 09:02.07 | jbrks | (if u want kde with netinst, you need to have netinst+<it download .debs to have kde>== kde) |
| 09:02.14 | simonlnu | there is a kde disc |
| 09:02.59 | MrMind | simonlnu: but it's not a netinstall disc? |
| 09:03.25 | jbrks | can someone help me determine if i can toggle my hd from 512<->4k ? I have a very weird brand here.. (posted question a few minutes back) |
| 09:03.25 | walle | MrMind: disc install? |
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| 09:04.07 | ben_ir | hi there |
| 09:04.32 | MrMind | walle: yeah, I now but I just wondered if there was a kde netinstall iso |
| 09:04.50 | walle | MrMind: Yes |
| 09:04.54 | jbrks | MrMind, i dont even think X comes on netinst.. |
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| 09:05.10 | walle | MrMind: you can find it install debian cdimage server |
| 09:05.31 | walle | MrMind: ...may be error |
| 09:05.37 | MrMind | can I find a kde netinstall iso there? |
| 09:05.50 | walle | MrMind: sorry, netinstall only a minial debian system |
| 09:06.12 | jbrks | walle, i think he doesnt care.. he'll download and try it anyways.. |
| 09:06.19 | ben_ir | i have a test machine here with Xen installed, but not actually running, on squeeze. During last dist-upgrade, I wasn't able to complete the upgrade due to xen-utils-4.0 package upgrade failing. The reason was /etc/init.d/xend start failed, as there was no Xen hypervisor. Is it expected behavior or should I file a bug report? |
| 09:06.26 | walle | MrMind: it may not include desktop environment, but you can select kde desktop environment when installing |
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| 09:06.42 | MrMind | walle: oh, okey. maybe it's just best to use the live cd with kde |
| 09:06.48 | jbrks | walle, if he's installing offline then that's his problem.. |
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| 09:07.32 | walle | MrMind: when install netinst.iso it will ask you weather install gnome/kde/... desktop environment |
| 09:07.35 | Trewas | jbrks: I don't think you can change HD sector sizes, though maybe some 4k sector disks allow changing what they tell as their sector size to the operating system |
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| 09:07.45 | walle | MrMind: yes, use live cd |
| 09:07.57 | walle | jbrks: .... |
| 09:08.27 | MrMind | yep, thx. Just one more question... can I put the firmware files on the same usb stick I use to intall debian frome |
| 09:08.28 | jbrks | Trewas, did you see the " MaxMultSect=16, " << isnt' that weird ? |
| 09:08.31 | MrMind | ? |
| 09:08.39 | walle | jbrks: I have suffer a lot from install GNU/Linux... so I want to try my best to make other people less problem |
| 09:08.46 | jbrks | Trewas, i never touched anything with hdparm.. |
| 09:08.57 | walle | jbrks: and make them have fun when install |
| 09:09.20 | walle | MrMind: ... you can download the iso with firmware |
| 09:09.27 | jbrks | Trewas, i also posted a link to the spec pdf about my drive.. ST500DM002-1BC142 |
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| 09:09.35 | walle | MrMind: but also you can install firmware after install |
| 09:09.41 | Trewas | jbrks: I have a couple of older sata-drives in this computer and they both sa maxmultsect=16... sectsize should tell the actual sector size, but I don't have a 4k sector drive to test with |
| 09:10.11 | jbrks | Trewas, how can i determine if i can toggle it to 4k? |
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| 09:10.39 | MrMind | walle: is there a kde live cd with the firmware files on it? |
| 09:10.41 | jbrks | (or at least i'm thinking its 512 because thats what i though ti bought) |
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| 09:11.12 | jbrks | " sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB) " (dmesg) |
| 09:11.14 | walle | MrMind: why do you so care about firmware? install kde live cd, then all thing will ok |
| 09:12.08 | jbrks | MrMind, firmware is non-free.. it'll ask you if u want to addthe non-repo. |
| 09:12.12 | jbrks | non-free repo.. |
| 09:12.26 | walle | MrMind: I only want to notation you is that, if you use pppoe network, you should put pppoe pppoeconf deb file in you usb or any where, then before you connect to network you need to install them with dpkg program. |
| 09:12.29 | Trewas | jbrks: it says on the key advantages something about "transparent migration to 4k sectors", so they probably have 4k sectors in the hardware and lie to the OS that it has 512 byte sectors |
| 09:12.34 | jbrks | walle, maybe he has wifi that needs it .. |
| 09:12.40 | MrMind | the kde live cd asked me to put in a usb key with the non-free firmwares files |
| 09:12.45 | MrMind | for my network card |
| 09:12.49 | walle | jbrks: may be some firmware are free |
| 09:12.54 | jbrks | lol |
| 09:12.59 | jbrks | firmware is never free.. |
| 09:13.12 | jbrks | unless its called open firmware.. |
| 09:13.15 | walle | jbrks: yes. network part should give more attention. |
| 09:13.16 | jbrks | like open source |
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| 09:13.34 | walle | MrMind: .... |
| 09:13.56 | MrMind | walle: hehe, what now? |
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| 09:14.07 | walle | jbrks: Xorg video card driver is not free? I don't know that |
| 09:14.49 | walle | MrMind: You can download the version with firmware or download firmware package |
| 09:15.14 | jbrks | Trewas, according to the footnote 2.. it says it's the same underlying hardware.. i'm guessing if that's true 100% they may have a tool that pops it up to 4k |
| 09:15.18 | MrMind | walle: where can I find the version with firmwares? |
| 09:15.20 | walle | MrMind: I have never meet you peoplem, I also use laptop with wifi |
| 09:15.32 | walle | MrMind: official site |
| 09:15.39 | walle | MrMind: debian.org |
| 09:15.44 | jelly-home | !tell MrMind about firmware images |
| 09:16.12 | Trewas | jbrks: 4k sectors are different to 512 byte sectors on the platter level, it would require very low level format to change it afterwards |
| 09:16.14 | jelly-home | MrMind: did you get a private message from dpkg the bot |
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| 09:17.47 | Trewas | jbrks: but what's the real problem? partition alignment is really the only thing you have to be careful with when using 4k-hardware and 512b-software sectors |
| 09:18.29 | Trewas | (sorry, have to go AFK for a while) |
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| 09:19.06 | jbrks | Trewas, i'm asking because it says the hardware is the same and also the Maxmultisec variable is 16!! |
| 09:19.20 | jbrks | Trewas, that's what i'm curious about.. if i can go 4k i would... |
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| 09:20.15 | jbrks | Trewas, and yes i would have to calibrate/verify the alignment as well for the filesystem start etc.. it might be complicating.. |
| 09:21.50 | jbrks | (and MultiSect=off << hmm i don't want to even think about making this =on) |
| 09:22.05 | jbrks | need to do some research.. |
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| 09:36.10 | deem | hi. ive got a problem with my ligthhttp and it's mod_userdir since i updated from lenny to squeeze. i can't execute .php files in my public_html directory under my users home. any ideas? |
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| 10:01.41 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 10:02.36 | Posterdati | please I've got problem running php5 on apache2: opening drupal6 configuration php page force me to download the .php file instead load it in the browser. Please help thanks |
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| 10:04.00 | DelTree | do you have mod_php5 installed ? |
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| 10:04.10 | Posterdati | DelTree: yes |
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| 10:05.23 | DelTree | empty php file ? |
| 10:05.33 | Posterdati | DelTree: where? |
| 10:05.49 | DelTree | the one you dl... |
| 10:05.54 | Posterdati | DelTree: ? |
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| 10:12.41 | Milos | So why is it apt-get and not aptitude-get? |
| 10:12.51 | Milos | or why do we have aptitude? |
| 10:12.54 | Milos | which seems to be the same |
| 10:13.16 | simonlnu | apt-get preceded aptitude by years. they're not the same. |
| 10:13.30 | dwfreed | Milos: apt-get is a purely command line APT frontend; aptitude is a command line and TUI APT frontend |
| 10:13.41 | Milos | does the word 'apt' have anything to do with the word aptitude, or does it just mean advanced packaging rararar |
| 10:14.04 | dwfreed | Milos: APT is the name of the packaging system |
| 10:14.39 | Milos | so nothing to do with the word aptitude |
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| 10:15.37 | Milos | basically I am seeing instructions on debian wiki to use aptitude update, aptitude install, etc |
| 10:15.41 | Milos | can't I just use apt-get, what's the big deal |
| 10:15.45 | mvv | frontend is a slight disservice, they have a fair amount of functionality ontop of libapt i think |
| 10:16.20 | mvv | they act quite differently, though apt-get has caught up to aptitude a lot in recent years, |
| 10:16.20 | dwfreed | Milos: aptitude has an updated dependency resolver, and provides a nice TUI for people to use |
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| 10:17.31 | nikin | hi. I would like to create an ftps server. Is there any program on debian, that can do that without the nescesity to create system users for all users? |
| 10:17.59 | babilen | nikin: Sure, virtual users. But *FTP MUST DIE* |
| 10:18.05 | babilen | !ftp must die |
| 10:18.05 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 10:18.56 | Milos | I don't understand why people use FTP to do "anonymous file downloads" |
| 10:19.08 | nikin | babilen: it should... but sshfs is no option... for some reason it is way to slow |
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| 10:20.50 | Milos | another question |
| 10:20.52 | Milos | if I want to use non-free |
| 10:20.53 | hell_razer | http://pastebin.com/q09kGGk whats wrong here, domain doesnt work |
| 10:20.55 | Milos | do I have to use contrib? |
| 10:21.01 | Milos | and where can I read more about what contrib means because I have no idea |
| 10:21.11 | Milos | not new to linux but new to debian |
| 10:21.14 | simonlnu | 'too' |
| 10:21.24 | simonlnu | nikin: ^^ |
| 10:21.48 | walle | exit |
| 10:21.52 | hell_razer | http://pastebin.com/sNuVnuHL (previus paste is broken) whats wrong here, domain doesnt work |
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| 10:22.37 | nikin | Milos: who talked about anonymous file access? |
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| 10:22.42 | Milos | nikin, ? |
| 10:22.45 | Milos | nikin, I did. |
| 10:22.48 | Milos | nikin, I was asking a question. |
| 10:22.51 | nikin | Milos: :D |
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| 10:23.20 | nikin | Milos: sorry to mouch scanning :) |
| 10:23.32 | nikin | babilen: what is the option to using ftp? |
| 10:23.34 | guardian | hello, is it ok/good practice to let the user "backup" to store backup scripts in /var/backups/ and have these scripts sudo to invoke tools like duplicity or rdiff-backup? |
| 10:23.51 | guardian | hello, is it ok/good practice to make use of the user "backup" to store backup scripts in /var/backups/ and have these scripts sudo to invoke tools like duplicity or rdiff-backup? |
| 10:23.57 | guardian | (sorry, rewording my question) |
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| 10:24.16 | babilen | Milos: contrib contains packages that depend on non-free software -- You can study the exact definition in Debian's policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html (in particular 2.2.2) |
| 10:24.25 | Milos | babilen, thank you. |
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| 10:34.58 | jelly | guardian: /var is probably not the right place to put scripts |
| 10:35.17 | guardian | well /var/backups is the home for the backup user |
| 10:35.23 | guardian | that's why |
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| 10:36.00 | jelly | I'd put them under a separate directory like /usr/local/backup |
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| 10:37.37 | hell_razer | http://pastebin.com/sNuVnuHL whats wrong here, domain doesnt work |
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| 10:41.27 | guardian | jelly: ok, what does it change really? /var is more exposed to security issues? or is it just about respecting FHS? |
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| 10:42.27 | nkuttler | !tell hell_razer about doesn't work |
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| 10:42.53 | nkuttler | hell_razer: also... umm. wth is this business of putting log files into the docroot... |
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| 10:44.46 | yura | Hi all. Does anybody know, whether there are any plans to include GNOME 3 extensions into official Debian repositories? |
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| 10:45.10 | nikin | Ã rad the FtpMustDie and the FtpVsHttp text... but i dont see how i can build a file store using http, that is to work using all OS-es around, and able to handl ea 23 Gig upload in 1700 files. |
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| 10:45.22 | yura | or is there any unofficial repo for them? |
| 10:45.44 | newone | hi. i'm looking for a tool to control, restric and manage internet usage between users. the kind of thing isp's are doing |
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| 10:46.47 | LinuxNerd | Has anybody seen the new proposed Freenode TOS? |
| 10:47.04 | ksk | newone: whats a user? a user on a linux system? ISPs dont do that.. |
| 10:47.08 | LinuxNerd | it would redefine off-topic and change basic chat rules around |
| 10:47.12 | LinuxNerd | http://blog.feenode.net/2011/Proposed-TOS-Modifications |
| 10:47.36 | ksk | ops around? |
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| 10:47.49 | ksk | pls ban him |
| 10:48.00 | onryo | I am scared to death to upgrade my Debian (testing) computer. I just spent 4 days wiping a few other computers (Arch, Gentoo, Fedora) that had been infected with Gnome 3. If I do a dist-upgrade will I get gayified on this machine also? |
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| 10:48.14 | nikin | so its WebDAV then ... |
| 10:48.22 | ksk | ye, webdav |
| 10:48.27 | ksk | but it does not work in win7 afaik |
| 10:48.35 | ksk | (not without some hacks) |
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| 10:49.12 | newone | ksk: user is someone who wants to access the outer network, and should only be able to do it with its username/password |
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| 10:50.06 | onryo | Is Gnome 3 in testing now? |
| 10:50.12 | yura | yes |
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| 10:51.01 | yura | without any extension, which makes it unusable |
| 10:51.13 | yura | extensions |
| 10:52.04 | onryo | @_@ So far I still have Gnome 2.32. Is there a way to change to xfce without reinstalling from scratch? |
| 10:52.56 | ksk | like "aptitude install xfce" |
| 10:53.26 | ksk | maybe an "dpkg-reconfigure $your_desktop_manager" if xfce does not call this by default |
| 10:53.28 | onryo | ksk and that wont be a problem even though my windows manager is Gnome 2.32 atm? |
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| 10:53.54 | ksk | it should not, no. never used gnome/xfce anyways :p |
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| 10:56.19 | onryo | ksk might use Awesome. Anything that is following The Traditional Computing Desktop Metaphor. I spent 3 weeks trying to force myself to get use to Gnome 3. I really tried but its not possible. |
| 10:56.35 | ksk | chrchr :> |
| 10:56.50 | ksk | i triead awesome for about an hour, but "did not work" for me |
| 10:57.10 | onryo | ksk what are you using if I may ask? |
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| 10:57.25 | ksk | fluxbox |
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| 10:58.31 | onryo | ksk hmm Ill take a look at that too. So sad what happened to Gnome. Been my baby for years =/ |
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| 11:05.36 | guardian | would you recommend fail2ban or sshguard? |
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| 11:09.14 | cthuluh | guardian: I'd use firewall-based rate-limiting, not automatic stuff based on log parsing (which can lead to DoS / false positives) |
| 11:10.55 | guardian | do you know a howto by chance? |
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| 11:13.04 | simonlnu | guardian: iptables rate limit match >> google |
| 11:13.21 | guardian | thx |
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| 11:17.35 | Styles | Hey, how can I ftp files from 1 server to another? |
| 11:17.45 | hell_razer | http://pastebin.com/sNuVnuHL whats wrong here, domain doesnt work |
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| 11:19.48 | krion | Styles: imo you can't, except using fxp |
| 11:19.54 | krion | Styles: but not widely supported |
| 11:20.15 | Styles | midnight commander? |
| 11:20.17 | Styles | Will that work? |
| 11:20.23 | Styles | Older tool from what I remember |
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| 11:20.34 | Styles | I just need to copy files from server A to server B |
| 11:20.57 | krion | so get file from server a to your desktop, then send file to server b from your desktop |
| 11:21.04 | krion | using lftp or other ftp client |
| 11:21.26 | Styles | that's weak |
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| 11:21.29 | Styles | I have like 10gigs of files |
| 11:21.31 | Styles | I can't be doing that |
| 11:21.35 | elcolombianito | hello |
| 11:22.06 | krion | if you can only access your server using ftp, then you have no other choices (except fxp early mentionned) |
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| 11:23.02 | Styles | I can login via ssh |
| 11:23.11 | Styles | sorry just remembered lol |
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| 11:23.42 | nachos | Hi, is it possible to install a package locally ? ie. under my home directory? |
| 11:23.54 | Styles | So how would I be able to |
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| 11:25.32 | ksk | nachos: you can extract a package, using dpkg -x |
| 11:26.06 | nachos | thanks ksk |
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| 11:26.07 | ksk | but dont exptect them to work |
| 11:26.11 | nachos | lol |
| 11:26.17 | nachos | is it possible to install it locally? |
| 11:26.39 | nslutje | I'm trying to get an UUID form my /dev/sda5, But debian won't give me one |
| 11:26.40 | ksk | whats locally? without root? no |
| 11:26.46 | nachos | okay. thanks ksk |
| 11:27.12 | ksk | there might be a staticly linked version of the tool you want to use (if its a binary) |
| 11:27.26 | ksk | or its simple and works out of the box |
| 11:27.30 | ksk | just try it |
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| 11:28.15 | nslutje | how do I get UUID if 'ls -l | grep sda1' does not work? |
| 11:28.35 | elcolombianito | hello, i have this problem. i found out that flash applications, animation from website, etc. get my laptop really hot, it can be at 49C and if I open awebsite, with falsh animations, or facebook (not sure if it uses flash), it rises from that to 62C) |
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| 11:32.45 | Big_Brother | does SSH automatically start when the system does (before login) ? |
| 11:33.39 | nkuttler | Big_Brother: that's the default if you enable it |
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| 11:34.27 | Big_Brother | nkuttler: you mean... i can't login via ssh if i didn't touch ssh settings to enable it? |
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| 11:35.21 | nkuttler | Big_Brother: sshd should be enabled when installed. and just try it |
| 11:35.27 | boudiccas | elcolombianito; so? you've given us a good description without actually stating what the problem is |
| 11:35.50 | nslutje | does the swap partition have UUID? |
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| 11:36.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can anybody recommend a server performance monitoring service ( graphs of load avg, mem usage, etc ), similar to cacti, but managed by another company? |
| 11:36.42 | boudiccas | elcolombianito; is your problem the flash? or the increasing temperature? its not clear from your description |
| 11:36.50 | Super_Cat_Frog | need it to work on debian servers |
| 11:36.54 | Shadur | Super_Cat_Frog: Try munin |
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| 11:37.34 | debian6 | Hi all |
| 11:38.01 | debian6 | I'm install compiz on Debian LXDE |
| 11:38.12 | Super_Cat_Frog | Shadur: I dont want to run it myself |
| 11:38.24 | Super_Cat_Frog | i know of munin, cacti, naigos, but i'm busy enough as it is |
| 11:38.30 | boudiccas | debian6; thats nice, but what version of debian please? |
| 11:38.35 | debian6 | but affer I run command compiz --replace |
| 11:38.56 | debian6 | my Debian not show windows border |
| 11:38.57 | nslutje | QUIESTION? |
| 11:38.57 | nslutje | Does the swap partition have UUID? |
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| 11:39.13 | debian6 | boudiccas: I'm using debian squeeze 6.0.2 |
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| 11:39.28 | elcolombianito | boudiccas, the proble is that when i run websites that run flash, and also what ever facebook uses, the temp rises by 10degres is no time... |
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| 11:42.27 | elcolombianito | some times the system even suffers a soft lockup... |
| 11:42.41 | debian6 | somebody help me |
| 11:44.18 | jelly | nslutje: yes. try running /sbin/blkid |
| 11:44.28 | nkuttler | elcolombianito: sounds like your hardware is too weak |
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| 11:44.59 | nkuttler | elcolombianito: flash is a know cpu hog. no surprise there |
| 11:45.01 | elcolombianito | nkutter, yep, thats what i assume... but (sorry for the comparison) it doesnt happen in windows... |
| 11:45.27 | nsadmin | so.. it's the software that's weak instead? |
| 11:45.45 | nslutje | jelly: no UUID for SWAP |
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| 11:46.11 | jelly | nslutje: have you run it as root? Mine says /dev/md0p3: LABEL="swap1" UUID="a6a8d506-c934-439c-af10-fe5ad2c881d1" TYPE="swap" |
| 11:46.38 | nslutje | jelly: is SUDO |
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| 11:46.56 | nslutje | jelly: it sais /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" |
| 11:47.18 | jelly | nslutje: pastebin the full output of "sudo blkid", please |
| 11:47.29 | jelly | nslutje: which Debian release are you using |
| 11:47.54 | nslutje | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.54 | nslutje | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.55 | nslutje | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.55 | nslutje | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.55 | nslutje | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.22 | elcolombianito | does using a lighter dekstop environment, like lxde or xfce help increase cpu usage? |
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| 11:48.26 | elcolombianito | im currently using gnome |
| 11:48.27 | cthuluh | !tell nslutje -about pastebin |
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| 11:49.16 | nslutje | jelly: well... that's what is sais ;) I'm using debian 5 ARM |
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| 11:50.15 | technologov | hi all ! Debian claims to be multi-arch -- but all arches have same packages ? |
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| 11:50.26 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/armel/iso-dvd/ and |
| 11:50.26 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/ia64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:50.30 | technologov | show otherwise |
| 11:51.02 | technologov | that is -- 1 DVD for ARM/Itanium vs. 8 DVDs for PC |
| 11:51.03 | jelly | technologov: what do you mean by multi-arch? |
| 11:51.37 | technologov | I mean -- are the build farms supposed to build all packages for all targets ? Why other arch have 8x less packages ? |
| 11:52.04 | technologov | i686/amd64 have 8 DVDs each (Debian 6.0) |
| 11:52.29 | jelly | technologov: the primary source for packages is the repository mirror system. |
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| 11:52.50 | jelly | technologov: DVDs are supposed to be used only for offline installations |
| 11:52.59 | jelly | !mirror size |
| 11:52.59 | dpkg | To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size . To make your own mirror, ask me about <mirrors>. |
| 11:53.05 | jelly | technologov: ^^ |
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| 11:54.32 | technologov | yes... list is long |
| 11:54.34 | jelly | technologov: so yes, the build farms build all the packages for all the architectures. There's a very small number of exceptions. |
| 11:54.36 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/armel/list-dvd/ |
| 11:54.41 | technologov | this has 7 DVDs |
| 11:55.02 | technologov | just ISOs not published for some reason |
| 11:55.12 | themill | technologov: that is covered in the cd faq |
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| 11:55.35 | themill | technologov: not all images are made for all architectures. Also, binaries for each arch are different sizes so you'll end up with different numbers of images |
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| 11:56.03 | technologov | ofc... it will be like 7 DVDs for IA64/ARM vs. 8 DVDs for i686/AMD64... but close |
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| 11:56.41 | themill | !missing images |
| 11:56.41 | dpkg | Not all Debian CD/DVD images are made available for download due to space considerations on mirrors. If required, use jigdo to produce these using a Debian mirror; ask me about <jigdo> and <mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#not-all-images |
| 11:56.48 | technologov | via Jigdo -- all 7 are avail. |
| 11:56.57 | technologov | aha :) |
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| 11:57.59 | technologov | but -- making all images available via bittorrent is feasible ? |
| 11:58.38 | jelly | nslutje: I'm not sure whether that's a limitation of blkid tool and library in lenny, or whether your old swap space really does not have an uuid in its metadata. |
| 11:58.51 | technologov | ok.. thx |
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| 12:00.16 | jelly | nslutje: you can try doing the following: swapoff /dev/sda5 && mkswap -L yayswap /dev/sda5 && blkid /dev/sda5 |
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| 12:00.48 | themill | technologov: a sufficiently long period of time has passed since the release that you'll probably not find many people seeding the torrents. They're just not useful. |
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| 12:01.26 | jelly | the mirrors usually have more than enough bandwidth |
| 12:02.17 | nslutje | jelly: As root 'swapoff: /dev/sda5: Cannot allocate memory' |
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| 12:03.15 | jelly | nslutje: right, you need to have enough free memory to disable the swap |
| 12:03.36 | jelly | you can try remaking it some other time |
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| 12:05.07 | jelly | nslutje: fwiw, blkid from e2fsprogs 1.41.3-1 shows an uuid on my i386 lenny installation just fine |
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| 12:06.49 | nslutje | jelly: I got ARM installation |
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| 12:07.59 | jelly | nslutje: that shouldn't matter, it's the same source |
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| 12:08.30 | nslutje | jelly: I taught so |
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| 12:09.40 | bony | what is the multi lingual text rendering engine for gnome 3? is it still pango? |
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| 12:19.59 | nachos | hi, how do i find out what verrsion of debian is installed ( using a remote shell ) |
| 12:20.07 | nachos | i am using a remote shell |
| 12:20.09 | hatseflats | nachos: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 12:21.30 | nachos | what codename is 5.0.8? |
| 12:21.49 | nkuttler | !tell nachos about 5.0.8 |
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| 12:26.58 | cusco | hi |
| 12:27.07 | elcolombianito | hello, welcome cusco |
| 12:27.13 | cusco | sort -u, is returning me different values from uniq -u |
| 12:27.18 | cusco | I would like to understand why |
| 12:27.36 | krion | Styles: scp or sftp |
| 12:30.40 | themill | cusco: different in what way? |
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| 12:44.53 | technologov | Q about patents: it seems Debian 6 has patented codecs built-in. |
| 12:45.14 | technologov | Then how is it possible to distribute Debian in, say, U.S ? |
| 12:45.21 | arghx | which patents? |
| 12:45.28 | arghx | or which codecs? |
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| 12:45.35 | technologov | hmmm... WMV codec is built-in |
| 12:45.55 | technologov | same for MPEG4/divx |
| 12:46.22 | technologov | (i can play videos with standard debian install) |
| 12:47.28 | technologov | -- openSUSE fails to play those. |
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| 12:47.47 | jelly | technologov: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq |
| 12:47.48 | arghx | dbugs 365390 |
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| 12:49.55 | jelly | !ops sedena gnaa troll privmsg |
| 12:49.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: sedena gnaa troll privmsg |
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| 12:50.56 | sedena | jelly stop lying |
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| 12:51.28 | arghx | sedena is a GNAA troll, got the message too. please remove. thank you |
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| 12:51.37 | sedena | I am not gnaa |
| 12:51.48 | arghx | babilen: jelly didn't say anything about onjoin spamming |
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| 13:03.19 | thin | who using ipython? |
| 13:03.48 | joltcan | thin: I am |
| 13:04.04 | joltcan | thin: whats the question? |
| 13:04.11 | thin | how do I run script with "! dmesg | tail -n 3"? |
| 13:05.41 | arghx | thin: subprocess module? |
| 13:05.45 | jelly | thin: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:06.35 | thin | to run system command |
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| 13:06.51 | thin | python and bash embrace |
| 13:07.25 | jelly | thin: os.system() ? |
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| 13:08.57 | jelly | thin: I bet there's python channel somewhere on freenode |
| 13:09.06 | jelly | a* |
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| 13:10.37 | thin | how to easy run system command in script like in ipython "! man dmesg" |
| 13:11.10 | arghx | in python script or in some other script? |
| 13:11.31 | thin | in python script |
| 13:11.42 | joltcan | I think you should use the "os" module these days |
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| 13:11.58 | joltcan | but it has nothing todo with ipython per se |
| 13:12.09 | thin | I know about "os" |
| 13:12.09 | arghx | joltcan: no. subprocess module. tho squeeze might not have that yet |
| 13:12.16 | joltcan | arghx: right |
| 13:12.33 | arghx | thin: either subprocess module or os.popen |
| 13:12.47 | Andy80 | can I upgrade directly from stable to unstable or do I have to first upgrade to testing? |
| 13:13.03 | thin | but how with ! symbol? |
| 13:14.24 | arghx | is not aware that ! needs to be escaped in python strings but could be wrong |
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| 13:15.40 | thin | useless ipython shell |
| 13:15.50 | thin | need to extend it |
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| 13:17.53 | jelly | thin: the pipes are interpreted by the shell. if you REALLY want to, run !sh -c 'foo | bar' |
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| 13:20.13 | jelly | but really, it's probably a better idea to slurp the dmesg output and use the last three lines, since you're already running a decent interpreted language |
| 13:20.38 | thin | ok |
| 13:20.42 | thin | bye |
| 13:21.27 | nslutje | normally when I use APT-GET INSTALL and I press <Tab> after a part of the name, I get a list of possibilities. I recently re-installed my ARM device, and now this <Tab> function does not work. Who's got an idea? |
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| 13:21.50 | thousand | hello, sytem -> preferences -> startup applications: what user do programs start under? I'm having some weird stuff, like programs starting but later on disappearing from system tray, like skype or xchat |
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| 13:23.40 | nkuttler | nslutje: install the bash completion package |
| 13:24.16 | nslutje | nkuttler: ty |
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| 13:30.48 | ner0x | I want to run faxstat from $user but it will not allow me. I am in the correct group, I even own the file, what could be stopping me from running it? |
| 13:31.08 | Tenkawa | what error? |
| 13:31.47 | ner0x | No errors at all, just asks me for a root password. |
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| 13:34.21 | Tenkawa | Anyone notice a major dependency cascade in perl in unstable today? |
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| 13:37.51 | themill | Tenkawa: of course. that's what happens during a perl transition... |
| 13:38.20 | technologov | ppl... anyone setup mysql on Debian ? it seems completely broken |
| 13:38.27 | technologov | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648723 |
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| 13:40.30 | Tenkawa | themill: yeah.. just wanted to make sure I wasn't seeing things.. heheh |
| 13:40.51 | themill | Tenkawa: http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/perl5.14.html |
| 13:41.35 | Tenkawa | thanks. |
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| 13:42.55 | technologov | any idea how to trouble-shoot mysql ? |
| 13:43.05 | technologov | (it seems to be broken in Debian) |
| 13:43.26 | boudiccas | technologov; what do you mean by 'broke' please? |
| 13:43.30 | technologov | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648723 |
| 13:43.31 | boudiccas | broken |
| 13:43.48 | abrotman | technologov: please don't repeat |
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| 13:44.01 | abrotman | technologov: why isn't mysql running? can you start mysql? |
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| 13:44.56 | grharry | Hey all, I am in testing repos and nouveau for my nvidia , after did an upgrade 2 days ago and downloaded gnome3, after "gnome-shell --replace " I keep getting "Clutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context" |
| 13:45.43 | technologov | # /etc/init.d/mysqld start |
| 13:46.00 | technologov | -su: /etc/init.d/mysqld: No such file or directory |
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| 13:46.52 | technologov | "mysql-server-core-5.1" is installed. |
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| 13:49.11 | arghx | technologov: you sure it's not /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
| 13:49.37 | technologov | I don't have that one either... |
| 13:50.20 | arghx | technologov: dpkg -l mysql-server-5.1|tail -1 |
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| 13:50.54 | technologov | only "mysql-server-core-5.1" is installed. |
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| 13:51.26 | arghx | then maybe you should install mysql properly? |
| 13:52.01 | technologov | I did... but installing 'mantis' automatically fails... |
| 13:52.39 | arghx | please install mysql-server |
| 13:52.52 | technologov | i did |
| 13:53.05 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.09 | technologov | (now trying to get it running with mantis) |
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| 13:53.28 | themill | technologov: umm... you have to install the mysql server somewhere |
| 13:53.48 | technologov | doing apt-get install mantis |
| 13:54.12 | themill | yes... you need to install the mysql server somewhere |
| 13:54.12 | technologov | requires only "mysql-server-core-5.1" - but fails. bug #648723 |
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| 13:54.53 | arghx | Suggests: php5-cli, mysql-server |
| 13:55.02 | arghx | I suggest you follow this suggestion and install it |
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| 13:55.23 | arghx | hint: one can have the mysql server on a different machine. just the same reason that gnome doesn't depend on xorg |
| 13:55.49 | technologov | no need for diff. machine. I want easy solution. |
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| 13:56.01 | themill | so install mysql-server ... |
| 13:57.49 | technologov | shouldn't mantis install sql ? |
| 13:57.59 | arghx | technologov: please read above what I wrote |
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| 14:00.35 | nslutje | jelly: I just learn, by updating the kernwl... my SWAP got an UUID |
| 14:00.49 | nslutje | jelly: *kernel |
| 14:01.34 | jelly | nslutje: huh, that's not what I expected. I thought it was solely a userspace issue. |
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| 14:02.54 | nslutje | hehe |
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| 14:06.03 | Sh4dowcat | hey guys |
| 14:06.16 | Sh4dowcat | is there a way to get a list of all packages you can change with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 14:06.40 | cthuluh | sure, dpkg -l |
| 14:06.54 | arghx | cthuluh: only the installed ones, no removed ones :) |
| 14:06.55 | cthuluh | all packages may be reconfigurable :P |
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| 14:07.11 | cthuluh | ok, ok, aptitude search ~i |
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| 14:10.14 | tegra | why this command freeze debian ? dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/port |
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| 14:12.42 | cheako | tegra: It's a little like drilling a hole through your mother board, it's just bound to lock up. |
| 14:12.43 | jelly | tegra: cool story, bro |
| 14:13.26 | jelly | tegra: man 4 port |
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| 14:14.08 | jelly | imagine that, a 1 day old account, connecting from Tor, asking naively about a command that crashes your system when run |
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| 14:15.12 | cheako | Early Linux kernels had problems attempting to detect hardware that was not installed when other similar hardware was installed the system would lock up. Windows 95 and 98 also had this problem, but only during scanning for new hardware. |
| 14:16.01 | cheako | jelly: Hmm to connect via tor you'd need to use a client SSL certificate. |
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| 14:23.16 | MrTopless | Hi guys, which one is faster, ubuntu server or debian server? |
| 14:23.44 | themill | that depends more on how much crap you're running on it, surely? |
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| 14:23.50 | mashed | MrTopless, depends on your kit |
| 14:23.58 | mashed | MrTopless, Debian is more stable. |
| 14:24.16 | MrTopless | Which one is easier to configure? |
| 14:24.34 | MrTopless | Debian has GUI? |
| 14:24.35 | onryo | just spent about a zillion hours getting xfce with compiz to look like Gnome 2.32x. I use Debian with only testing repos. If I do a dist-upgrade is this going to shove Gnome 3 back onto my system? |
| 14:24.40 | mashed | Irrelevant, That comes down to individual software packages. |
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| 14:25.37 | themill | MrTopless: you'd not be installing a GUI on your server though, obviously... |
| 14:25.50 | arghx | MrTopless: ubuntu tries to be easier to configure but I dunno if that extends to their server version |
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| 14:26.17 | MrTopless | Configure with GUI, then remove it |
| 14:26.21 | MrTopless | for fast book |
| 14:26.32 | MrTopless | because I don't know the command list by heart |
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| 14:26.56 | MrTopless | And /? every time you want to do something pisses off. |
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| 14:27.27 | onryo | lol, ubuntu is NOT easyer to conf then Debian if you don't want it to look like a x-mas tree in a cheap Mexican brothel. |
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| 14:28.00 | MrTopless | I don't want it to look anyway, I just want user friendly interface |
| 14:28.20 | MrTopless | It could be one colour and 2D without anuy shadows and stuff |
| 14:28.25 | mashed | MrTopless: May I suggest windows. |
| 14:28.26 | MrTopless | Don't care |
| 14:28.30 | onryo | MrTopless, I hear you on that one! I just got rid of that mess Gnome 3. |
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| 14:29.09 | arghx | MrTopless: linux rarely has GUI configuration for server software. you won't be happy if you run linux but need GUI configuration |
| 14:29.14 | MrTopless | I've just asked, so there is no GUI for debian :-) |
| 14:29.22 | MrTopless | Okay will learn it hard way then :-) |
| 14:29.25 | CissWit | MrTopless the problem is not only with the system |
| 14:29.48 | CissWit | of course with both you can use synaptic if you want a gui to configure and install your packages |
| 14:29.48 | arghx | MrTopless: if you need a GUI config then run windows as was suggested already |
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| 14:29.59 | onryo | MrTopless, yes there is. Gnome 2 on Stable and sadly Gnome 3 (by default) on wheezy. |
| 14:30.09 | CissWit | but for all other programs like web server, dns server, etc, there are no good gui program to configure them |
| 14:30.37 | onryo | MrTopless, if you setup a desktop. As far as a server goes you don't need that stuff. Just ssh |
| 14:31.06 | CissWit | and today, even in windows some configuration options are only available from a powershell prompt. So, if you really want to go deep into server administration, you should consider learning the command line to do so. |
| 14:31.24 | onryo | MrTopless, and Debian is damn grate as a server! |
| 14:31.41 | mashed | +1 |
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| 14:32.00 | mashed | the consistancy in software packageg is legendary |
| 14:32.09 | mashed | s/packageg/packages/ |
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| 14:33.04 | riftman | MrFrood: if you want to have graphical like configuration you can install webmin for managing your server and services via web. Of course that is more one service running and the options for are less that configuring all service on configuration files |
| 14:33.18 | arghx | !webmin |
| 14:33.19 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 14:35.42 | n-iCe | Hi |
| 14:36.22 | n-iCe | Any idea why i can connect to any wireless ap but i cant navigate even ping does not work |
| 14:37.04 | n-iCe | Im getting dhcp IPS everything seems to worldwide but i cannot navigate |
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| 14:37.39 | mashed | n-iCe: can you put the output of `ip address` and `ip link` in a pastebin for us please. |
| 14:37.43 | onryo | n-iCe might need some fw. I am guessing you are using wpa |
| 14:37.46 | damnkeymap | hello! i'm using lenny via VNC [kvm], and i wanted to fire up vim to edit some files.. turns out that the keymap i've got installed doesnt have [or i cant find] the ":" key, making it impossible to quit vim. I dont want to reboot the darn machine, and the only access i have to this machine is via this vnc access.. i'd love to paste ":quit" but i cant paste easily either. |
| 14:37.55 | n-iCe | Wep |
| 14:38.22 | arghx | damnkeymap: what's your native keymap? |
| 14:38.31 | damnkeymap | no idea |
| 14:38.34 | onryo | n-iCe weird, no idea then. |
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| 14:38.43 | technologov | arghx, you're "Stuart Prescott" ? |
| 14:38.47 | damnkeymap | something that came with debian netinstall witout internet connectivity |
| 14:38.49 | n-iCe | I am in my phone mashed |
| 14:38.49 | arghx | damnkeymap: you don't know in what country you're in and what keymap that country uses? |
| 14:38.55 | damnkeymap | i'm pretty sure i chose en=us |
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| 14:39.07 | damnkeymap | but its obviously not en-us |
| 14:39.21 | damnkeymap | arghx: i chose germany as country |
| 14:39.24 | damnkeymap | but the keymap isnt german either |
| 14:39.28 | CissWit | damnkeymap: do ctrl+z and kill the job |
| 14:39.43 | CissWit | that's a short term solution, that won't help you to find your keymap |
| 14:39.51 | CissWit | but that will kill quit vim |
| 14:39.52 | arghx | !tell damnkeymap about keymap |
| 14:39.54 | damnkeymap | ctrl z doesnt do anything useful |
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| 14:41.01 | n-iCe | mashed: http://t.co/N2L6qhFF |
| 14:41.10 | n-iCe | Does it work for you? |
| 14:41.31 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 14:41.56 | mashed | n-iCe: cheers. |
| 14:42.13 | mashed | n-iCe: im giessing you have not received valid DNS servers. |
| 14:42.24 | ShapeShifter499 | can I run debian off a flash drive in a way so that I can plug it into any computer but the stuff I install that would take up the most space stays installed on my main home computer? |
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| 14:43.00 | n-iCe | But i have tried 3 wireless ap and is the same, what do you think i can do |
| 14:43.38 | mashed | n-iCe: ping an IP address directly. try `ping 8.8.8.8` |
| 14:43.57 | n-iCe | Ok |
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| 14:50.34 | technologov | any "Stuart Prescott" here ? |
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| 14:52.01 | themill | looks at technologov |
| 14:52.14 | technologov | u should be looking here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648723 |
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| 14:52.47 | nikoo | hi |
| 14:52.51 | technologov | hello |
| 14:52.52 | themill | technologov: how may ways of "good god no" do you want? |
| 14:52.53 | nikoo | i have a debian6 VPS |
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| 14:53.06 | nikoo | i want to share it with my friends |
| 14:53.19 | nikoo | to upload files but no ssh access |
| 14:53.38 | technologov | it's not about ways -- it's about current situation being terrible |
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| 14:54.24 | technologov | it takes much more time to install web apps on Debian than it should require... |
| 14:54.33 | abrotman | technologov: you could just not use mysql ? |
| 14:54.34 | themill | technologov: when you're working with a client-server database, you need to install client and server. How hard can that be to understand? |
| 14:54.53 | mashed | technologov: you're wrong |
| 14:55.10 | themill | technologov: and I don't think typing 12 extra characters makes the time taken to install things much more |
| 14:55.13 | technologov | well.. I expect "apt-get install mantis" install *everything* required + some more... |
| 14:55.18 | GTRsdk | Should I report a bug I found in Chromium on Debian Sid? |
| 14:55.22 | nikoo | ? |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | technologov: i swear, if i installed a webapp on a system, and i *couldn't* remove teh DB, i'd stop using Debian |
| 14:55.25 | technologov | esp. for interactive installer that asks questions |
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| 14:55.33 | abrotman | !tell GTRsdk about reportbug |
| 14:56.08 | themill | technologov: it does give you everything required to install mantis to whatever database server you already have installed. That's the way database servers are designed to work. |
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| 14:56.58 | abrotman | themill: clearly we need MSDE to be bundled with all web apps :) |
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| 14:57.36 | technologov | we need things to 'just work' - no hassles |
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| 14:57.50 | technologov | this is clearly not the case here... |
| 14:57.52 | themill | technologov: it does... you install client and server. Simple. |
| 14:58.27 | technologov | esp. for interactive installer... it should ak the user |
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| 14:58.41 | technologov | if it's already interactive... why not ? |
| 14:58.42 | nikoo | /bin/false :D |
| 14:58.43 | themill | your suggestion is also technically impossible to implement |
| 14:58.49 | technologov | why so ? |
| 14:58.53 | abrotman | not impossible, but horribly silly |
| 14:59.00 | technologov | because apt-get is locked? |
| 14:59.02 | themill | abrotman: the status database is locked |
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| 14:59.06 | abrotman | if you're not smart enough to realize you need a database server to work with your client, you've already lost |
| 14:59.15 | themill | quite |
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| 14:59.36 | technologov | i just want things 'up-n-running' within minutes, without much knowledge |
| 14:59.37 | attila_lendvai | hi! could someone throw a blogpost at me about how to undo the gui changes that just arrived to my squeeze with a bunch of updates? |
| 14:59.58 | themill | technologov: then you shouldn't be touching things like mantis in any case. |
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| 15:00.00 | abrotman | themill: right, impossible to auto-install it for you .. but at least tell them they need teh dartabase server |
| 15:00.07 | mashed | technologov: and what will you do when it goes wrong? |
| 15:00.10 | arghx | !tell niklasweBP about scponly |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | attila_lendvai: be less vague |
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| 15:00.35 | arghx | niklasweBP: sorry, nikoo seems to have left |
| 15:00.36 | technologov | mashed, once installed, I use snapshots... |
| 15:00.41 | technologov | so I can revert back |
| 15:00.53 | technologov | losing only a day or two of bugs (which is OK here) |
| 15:00.59 | technologov | install on VM |
| 15:00.59 | attila_lendvai | abrotman: the new activities thing. no system preferences anymore, etc... even if I choose "Gnome Fallback" at login... |
| 15:01.12 | themill | attila_lendvai: are you sure you're running squeeze? |
| 15:01.13 | abrotman | attila_lendvai: that's not squeeze .. try again |
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| 15:01.18 | arghx | attila_lendvai: squeeze is stable. unlikely it's gui changed |
| 15:01.39 | attila_lendvai | argh, sorry, wheezy |
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| 15:01.47 | mashed | technologov: that will destroy data. |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite arghx |
| 15:01.50 | dpkg | smite's arghx with a plague of extraneous apostrophe's. |
| 15:01.52 | technologov | not much... |
| 15:01.59 | abrotman | attila_lendvai: taht's gnome3 .. enjoy! |
| 15:02.01 | mashed | enough to matter |
| 15:02.10 | technologov | for small projects do not have much data to lose in a day or two |
| 15:02.27 | attila_lendvai | abrotman: hah, that makes me one step closer to the solution: downgrade... :) |
| 15:02.28 | technologov | so reverting snapshot of VM is acceptable |
| 15:02.36 | arghx | abrotman: I'm learning. native tongue doesn't have them! |
| 15:02.52 | mashed | technologov if it's a small project and you're not prepared to learn tuse a hosted service. creating a vm for something that will be used twice a day is a waste of resources, |
| 15:02.56 | themill | technologov: I am most definitely never letting you near any computer of mine let alone entrusting data to you. |
| 15:03.19 | abrotman | attila_lendvai: your decission ... gnome3 is coming sooner or later |
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| 15:05.22 | mashed | technologov: may I suggest sifterapp. we use it internally and it is very good. |
| 15:05.55 | technologov | current situation is not in favor of Debian, as I *can* install web-apps on Windows in few minutes, no knowledge required: http://bitnami.org/stacks |
| 15:06.14 | technologov | (just installed PHPbb on XP) |
| 15:06.20 | themill | !pal technologov |
| 15:06.20 | dpkg | points at technologov and laughs |
| 15:06.27 | technologov | and still struggling in Debian, after 4 hours... |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | wait .. phpbb .. on a webserver .. on XP ? |
| 15:07.27 | mashed | technologov: i've struggled with computers for 20 years. what's your point? |
| 15:07.52 | technologov | my point is: things should be easy. |
| 15:07.59 | themill | abrotman: yeah, and it's apparently a good thing that you can inflict that on the world whilst having no clue |
| 15:07.59 | technologov | They should be *dead easy*. |
| 15:08.04 | themill | technologov: IT IS |
| 15:08.35 | themill | technologov: if you've been struggling with this for 4 hours, perhaps you should ask useful questions rather than filing useless bugs and ranting. |
| 15:09.01 | abrotman | wonders if technologov read anything in /usr/share/dsoc/mantis/ or /usr/share/doc/mysql-common/ |
| 15:09.19 | technologov | If I need 4 hours to install PHPbb on Debian (unsuccessful, still trying...) vs 10 min on WinXP, there is very little reason to go Debian for me |
| 15:09.27 | petemc | then dont |
| 15:09.28 | technologov | so things are *not easy*. |
| 15:09.30 | themill | technologov: enjoy XP then. bye! |
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| 15:11.13 | GTRsdk | technologov, Maybe you should ask someone how to configure the stuff properly? |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | if you want to be lazy, things are not easy .. if you're interested in learning and reading, things can be easy .. your decision .. life's too short to whine all day |
| 15:12.53 | Dulak | phpbb should have been 10 minutes to get working. I can get new install serving php in under 5 minutes not counting download time. So you did something very, very wrong while trying to get things working. |
| 15:13.16 | jelly | Dulak: he used Debian. |
| 15:13.24 | jelly | hides |
| 15:14.16 | themill | Dulak: quite. I just did so in a VM in 5 minutes. |
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| 15:20.50 | gmarselis_ | what is disk-metadata? |
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| 15:21.55 | mashed | gmarselis_: in what context? |
| 15:22.01 | abrotman | on a disk |
| 15:22.10 | project2501a | on a disk, yeah |
| 15:22.37 | mashed | data that describles data on a disk would be more accurate. |
| 15:22.59 | abrotman | isn't that why it's meta? |
| 15:23.01 | project2501a | ok, how is that diff from the inode information? |
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| 15:25.54 | PachecoJ1 | I'm doing a fresh install of Squeeze AMD64 on a Lenovo laptop. I receive "Can't configure pre-depend python-uno for openofficeorg-emailmerge" |
| 15:26.01 | PachecoJ1 | is this a known issue? |
| 15:26.18 | PachecoJ1 | I downloaded the first 2 CD ISO's and have it downloading the rest over the internet |
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| 15:26.50 | PachecoJ1 | I can't figure out how to just skip the package and deal with it later |
| 15:26.51 | DelTree | did you give it some aptitude update ? |
| 15:27.04 | PachecoJ1 | no, I didn't do anything |
| 15:27.13 | PachecoJ1 | just downloaded CD1 and CD2 ISO, and booted into the graphical installer |
| 15:27.21 | PachecoJ1 | this is on a clean partition |
| 15:27.36 | PachecoJ1 | made it through the installer up to installing the base system and I get this error |
| 15:27.46 | PachecoJ1 | I've tried it twice now |
| 15:28.01 | DelTree | are you still inside the installer when the error occurs ? |
| 15:28.06 | PachecoJ1 | yes |
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| 15:28.09 | boosterbuster | hi all I do have a centos server with squid which is used in kiosk mode by a few users I want to force their traffic through SQUID, ...what is the best way ? should I use IPtables do I have to set squid as transparent ? |
| 15:28.55 | PachecoJ1 | I don't even need openoffice, if there's a way I can just skip that package |
| 15:29.36 | DelTree | what did you select in tasksel ? |
| 15:30.19 | nkuttler | PachecoJ1: well just remove the packages then |
| 15:30.35 | PachecoJ1 | can I do that from the graphical installer? |
| 15:31.34 | nkuttler | which graphical installer? |
| 15:31.46 | PachecoJ1 | the Debian graphical installer |
| 15:31.52 | PachecoJ1 | this is a clean install of the OS |
| 15:31.54 | abrotman | boosterbuster: i think you're in the wrong channel |
| 15:32.15 | PachecoJ1 | y? what channel should I be in |
| 15:32.18 | nkuttler | PachecoJ1: if you're past base install i'd just make sure the system is bootable and reboot |
| 15:32.22 | nkuttler | ... |
| 15:32.34 | PachecoJ1 | it's not bootable... it hasn't installed a bootloader yet |
| 15:32.40 | PachecoJ1 | that's the next step |
| 15:32.44 | PachecoJ1 | this is the base install |
| 15:32.45 | nkuttler | PachecoJ1: so do that now |
| 15:32.50 | nkuttler | base wouldn't install openoffice |
| 15:32.56 | PachecoJ1 | yeah, I guess I could try that |
| 15:33.27 | GTRsdk | PachecoJ1, I think a netinstall would have the options to not have openoffice installed |
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| 15:33.45 | PachecoJ1 | this is the "Select and Install Software" stage in the menu of stages |
| 15:33.50 | PachecoJ1 | next step is configure and install GRUB |
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| 15:34.14 | PachecoJ1 | I could probably skip ahead, but who knows how much of the system made it on there |
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| 15:34.29 | DelTree | PachecoJ1: just don't select anything but "base system" in "select and install software"... |
| 15:34.29 | nkuttler | PachecoJ1: it doesn't matter. you can install everything later |
| 15:34.36 | attila_lendvai | notes that a gnome 2 downgrade in wheezy is not trivial |
| 15:34.36 | EagleRock | PachecoJ1: you shoudl at least have a base install, and you can always run tasksel to install everything later |
| 15:34.46 | nkuttler | !tell attila_lendvai about downgrade |
| 15:34.53 | PachecoJ1 | is there an easy way to boot into the OS without installing the bootloader? |
| 15:35.19 | resus | hi, what do people usually call the mount points after adding additional disks to their system? |
| 15:35.21 | nkuttler | PachecoJ1: why do you ask that? |
| 15:35.23 | PachecoJ1 | once I install the bootloader it's going to blow my windows bootloader and I'm just a little nervous about getting back into that |
| 15:35.35 | PachecoJ1 | I know how to modify the bootloader to add the windows chainloader |
| 15:35.46 | PachecoJ1 | but I'm just a little nervous about getting back into that |
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| 15:36.08 | PachecoJ1 | sorry this is a little bit of a rush job, I have a flight leaving in 4 hours and I"m trying to rush an install on this laptop so I can take it with me to get some work done |
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| 15:36.21 | PachecoJ1 | I was hoping it would go smoothly, but I'm running into little issues here and there |
| 15:36.23 | nkuttler | PachecoJ1: do you need debian or windows to work? |
| 15:36.24 | attila_lendvai | ahh, what a pain, what a pain... (gnome 3) but thanks for the info, nkuttler |
| 15:36.31 | somiaj | PachecoJ1: grub will detect you windows install in most cases and put an entry there, you won't have to do much except go select the entry to boot into windows. |
| 15:36.32 | PachecoJ1 | I need one of them to work |
| 15:36.36 | PachecoJ1 | that's the problem |
| 15:36.41 | PachecoJ1 | I prefer Debian |
| 15:36.52 | nkuttler | anyway. good luck |
| 15:36.53 | PachecoJ1 | because all of my code is in linux, and I've never tried running it in Windows |
| 15:37.14 | PachecoJ1 | I'm just trying to get a temp setup to get work done for 2 weeks |
| 15:37.18 | PachecoJ1 | then I'm returning the laptop ;) |
| 15:37.35 | nkuttler | you need to get off the caffeine and irc and focus on your problem |
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| 15:39.04 | PachecoJ1 | thanks, that's helpful |
| 15:39.23 | mashed | PachecoJ1: start again, do a base install only then install software using apt |
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| 15:39.34 | PachecoJ1 | k |
| 15:39.39 | PachecoJ1 | that's what I'm doing now |
| 15:39.44 | mashed | that way it will be up to date and will probably be faster than |
| 15:39.46 | nkuttler | uh he already has base installed. no point in reinstalling |
| 15:39.46 | mashed | ok |
| 15:40.17 | mashed | nkuttler: if the installer is not progressing and the bootloader isnt installed then clearly something has gone wrong. |
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| 15:41.01 | nkuttler | i only read he got an error during additional software install. alright then |
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| 15:42.04 | mashed | PachecoJ1: and don't forget to remove the CD's from your sources.list - that will only slow you down in the long run. |
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| 15:53.55 | e_ | okay so we have this issue where some of our machines sometimes stop showing any cpu load in ps or top at all, everything is zero even though there is def cpu load on the machines |
| 15:54.13 | e_ | did anyone every run into that and can direct me where to dig? |
| 15:54.49 | rotflcopter | yes i had to pull out the cpu, rotate it 90 degrees and put back |
| 15:54.55 | rotflcopter | now its cool |
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| 15:57.15 | Andy80 | I've installed Debian stable into a VirtualBox vm, then I've tried to upgrade to unstable. Now the upgrade is finished, but during installation linux-image.... was removed and if I try to install it again (even with apt-get install -f.....) I get "broken packages" errors.... if I reboot the machine i will be unusable... how can I fix it before rebooting? Thanks. |
| 15:57.44 | ksk | pastebin the brocken packages errors / dont use unstable |
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| 15:57.53 | ksk | s/brocken/broken |
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| 16:00.08 | e_ | rotflcopter: funny? |
| 16:00.28 | e_ | im serious, this is totally weird, top and ps only show 0 cpu, all the time |
| 16:00.37 | Andy80 | ksk: here's the pastebin http://pastebin.com/fkLPMTLy |
| 16:02.12 | themill | Andy80: try to use aptitude instead of apt-get as it will either solve the problem or at least give a useful error message. Welcome to the perl transition... get yourself some popcorn and enjoy the display. |
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| 16:02.46 | Andy80 | themill: damn Perl -.- ok, just a moment, I'll try with aptitude |
| 16:02.57 | mashed | e_: what does top / ps / uptime say when run as root? |
| 16:03.21 | themill | Andy80: I'm not hopeful that aptitude will do any better in this particular situation. unstable is called unstable for a reason... |
| 16:03.38 | Sh4dowcat | hey guys |
| 16:03.48 | Sh4dowcat | anyone heard of a kernel not detecting all your ram? |
| 16:03.56 | Sh4dowcat | this particular kernel is detecting 5.6GB of 8GB |
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| 16:04.51 | mashed | Sh4dowcat: have you ruled out motherboard restrictions, shared video memory etc? |
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| 16:05.20 | Sh4dowcat | this is an intel onboard video card |
| 16:05.29 | Andy80 | themill, ksk here is the aptitude log http://pastebin.com/5BtjSPPs |
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| 16:05.36 | Sh4dowcat | but reserving 2.4 GB of memory seems a little steep to me |
| 16:05.51 | mashed | Sh4dowcat: check bios :) |
| 16:05.57 | Sh4dowcat | 256mb |
| 16:06.34 | mashed | Sh4dowcat: what would make sense ish if you mobo was capped at 6GB. what is it's model number. |
| 16:07.14 | Sh4dowcat | Zotac Z68 Wifi |
| 16:07.15 | mashed | s/what/that/ |
| 16:07.23 | Sh4dowcat | definately not the board |
| 16:07.51 | Sh4dowcat | considering the bios detects 8gb |
| 16:08.31 | mashed | confirmed, "a mere two DIMM slots support 16GB" |
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| 16:10.10 | mashed | Sh4dowcat: can you pastebin `cat /proc/meminfo && free -m && uname -a` |
| 16:10.23 | Sh4dowcat | hold |
| 16:10.27 | Sh4dowcat | I'm booting a live cd |
| 16:10.37 | Sh4dowcat | I have a huge suspicion it's the system |
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| 16:11.24 | Sh4dowcat | doesn't get it |
| 16:11.31 | Sh4dowcat | it IS the system |
| 16:11.37 | Sh4dowcat | wtf did the configuration scripts do |
| 16:12.08 | Sh4dowcat | the live ubuntu cd reports 8gb |
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| 16:12.25 | Sh4dowcat | BUT, the installed version (coming from the same live cd) reports 5.6GB |
| 16:12.26 | Sh4dowcat | WTF |
| 16:12.45 | mashed | Sh4dowcat that would explain it if its a live CD. The CD will create a TMPFS in the ram. |
| 16:12.46 | GTRsdk | Sh4dowcat, integrated graphics? |
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| 16:12.57 | Sh4dowcat | yes |
| 16:13.09 | Sh4dowcat | but I still don't see why the installed version of the os reserves that much memory |
| 16:13.20 | mashed | oh the installed one does? |
| 16:13.32 | Sh4dowcat | yes |
| 16:13.34 | Sh4dowcat | it's really stupid |
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| 16:13.52 | Sh4dowcat | it's one of those "I didn't even bother checking this" until I noticed the system was running slowly |
| 16:14.10 | mashed | what does `mount` say |
| 16:14.11 | GTRsdk | Sh4dowcat, integrated graphics will take a percentage of RAM for graphics |
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| 16:14.44 | dwfreed | GTRsdk: but not 2.4 GB, especially when set to 256MB |
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| 16:15.39 | Andy80 | themill: luckly it was only a virtual machine :\ I was trying to convince myself that Debian unstable was not so unstable, but.... I really can't afford to have this bad situations, sigh :°° |
| 16:15.46 | e_ | mashed: it is run as root |
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| 16:16.00 | Sh4dowcat | uhh |
| 16:16.03 | Sh4dowcat | I don't get this |
| 16:16.14 | themill | Andy80: now is the perfect time *not* to be running unstable. But this situation does crop up quite frequently during transitions. |
| 16:16.33 | Sh4dowcat | mount has sysfs, fusectl, binfm_misc |
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| 16:16.39 | GTRsdk | Andy80, wheezy is more stable |
| 16:16.43 | Sh4dowcat | gvfs-fusedaemon, xenfs |
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| 16:17.49 | Sh4dowcat | I just don't see what in the world would eat up that much ram |
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| 16:20.19 | b0rsuk | Hello. I'm trying to install Wheezy (testing) from USB. But the official website and documentation confuses me. I can't locate the right image. |
| 16:21.06 | b0rsuk | I'm following "the flexible way". It ends with the suggestion to copy an appropriate image. |
| 16:21.22 | Andy80 | GTRsdk: wheezy = testing, right? |
| 16:22.10 | GTRsdk | Andy80, yeah. Ubuntu LTS imports from wheezy, so I think it is okay. I haven't had any problems on Wheezy, but Sid (or unstable) is a different story. |
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| 16:22.39 | b0rsuk | I got files from: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ . The MANIFEST file says 'boot.img.gz' is a compressed image for booting from USB. So I copied it to usb, and during installation I get a message that an .iso hasn't been found. And yes, it's not an iso. |
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| 16:23.38 | gionnico | hi |
| 16:23.52 | b0rsuk | Earlier this day, I used the same files (from wheezy.../hd-media) except that I used debian-testing-i386.iso instead of boot.img.gz. |
| 16:23.57 | gionnico | i have a gbe atheros card: 1969:1083 |
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| 16:24.05 | Andy80 | GTRsdk: I didn't know that Ubuntu LTS imported from testing, I just read that 6-months-rolling Ubuntu imports from unstable... anyway, I could also try the "testing", but I really would like to have the latest Gnome 3.2 at least. Do any official/unofficial backports exist of Gnome 3.2? |
| 16:24.11 | b0rsuk | And that time, I got an installation error saying it couldn't find the right kernel modules. |
| 16:24.18 | gionnico | but atl1e driver seems to be broken for it. how can I install debian stable ? |
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| 16:24.51 | arghx | ,pciid 1969:1083 |
| 16:24.53 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
| 16:25.00 | abrotman | Andy80: not all of gnome3.2 is in unstable anyway |
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| 16:25.13 | arghx | gionnico: /msg dpkg kmuto it should support it |
| 16:25.16 | gionnico | ok can i use atl1c in stable ? |
| 16:25.21 | gionnico | or better can I install that module from the live cd environment? |
| 16:25.26 | arghx | yes with a backported kernel |
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| 16:25.57 | mashed | Sh4dowcat: last ditch effort to help you. open top and press '>' until it is ordered by memory |
| 16:26.01 | gionnico | what kernel can be ok? |
| 16:26.12 | Andy80 | abrotman: so it's not possible to have a complete Gnome 3.2 experience in Debian (at the moment), right? |
| 16:26.12 | GTRsdk | Does dpkg detect what version of Debian I am using? |
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| 16:26.19 | b0rsuk | Where do I get the image for installing Wheezy(testing) from USB ? When I tried netinst (testing) it said it's likely that the version of image and installer don't match. |
| 16:26.24 | gionnico | how can I Install a .deb package from install cd ? |
| 16:26.33 | Sh4dowcat | mashed: gonna reinstall the system |
| 16:26.46 | Sh4dowcat | gonna see if something stupid I installed is causing this |
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| 16:26.57 | arghx | gionnico: dpkg -i <file.deb> |
| 16:26.58 | GTRsdk | gionnico, what kind of install CD? |
| 16:26.59 | b0rsuk | I sure hope Ubuntu LTS doesn't pull from Debian Testing. Because Ubuntu LTS barely works on that machine. |
| 16:27.01 | gionnico | i'm not sure it's possible to load a newer kernel module into the old running (from cd) |
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| 16:27.08 | gionnico | netinstall cd .. |
| 16:27.08 | abrotman | !tell Andy80 about gnome3 |
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| 16:27.13 | arghx | !tell b0rsuk about hybrid image |
| 16:27.30 | arghx | gionnico: it's not possible normally |
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| 16:27.39 | gionnico | arghx: so can I download testing installcd |
| 16:27.43 | gionnico | but then install stable ? |
| 16:27.51 | seetag | yo, always when im using the software center or synaptic to remove packages, i need to make apt-get -f install or i cant remove more packages |
| 16:27.51 | arghx | gionnico: why? I told you what you should do |
| 16:27.53 | GTRsdk | b0rsuk, the non-LTS ones import from unstable |
| 16:28.12 | gionnico | arghx: i need that module to RUN from the CD ENVIRONMENT |
| 16:28.19 | arghx | gionnico: why? |
| 16:28.34 | gionnico | arghx: netinstall cd doesnt have the env. it need to download from internet |
| 16:28.39 | gionnico | but netcd (stable) is buggy |
| 16:28.42 | b0rsuk | arghx: Is this also relevant for testing ? Because I'm trying to install testing. |
| 16:29.01 | b0rsuk | And it only mentions Squeeze. |
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| 16:29.11 | arghx | gionnico: netinst doesn't need to download anything from internet to have a fulld ebian installation. and I told you to use a kmuto installer. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:29.22 | arghx | b0rsuk: yes |
| 16:30.11 | GTRsdk | arghx, you can install gnome if you want to, but debian can be installed from the netinstall cd without any need to have internet access |
| 16:30.15 | gionnico | arghx: sorry i dont understand how to do all that |
| 16:30.26 | arghx | !tell gionnico about kmuto |
| 16:30.33 | gionnico | i've asked dpkg it |
| 16:30.40 | gionnico | how can i use it in the netinst ?? |
| 16:30.52 | gionnico | i am presented with the curses installer and a minimal shell |
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| 16:30.59 | Andy80 | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:31.22 | GTRsdk | gionnico, that is what you have when you don't have internet access when installing |
| 16:31.24 | arghx | you cannot. it's a netinst iso. you have two choices: install via kmuto installer or download a current kernel from backports for your already existing debian installation /msg dpkg backports. your choice |
| 16:32.12 | technologov | Good news: I was *finally* able to install PHPbb on Debian :) yay ! |
| 16:32.14 | arghx | gionnico: and you do not need network access with the netinst installer, you can install everything you want afterwards. just run tasksel for example |
| 16:32.16 | gionnico | how about using a testing netinsts cd? |
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| 16:32.21 | gionnico | then install stable (if possible) ? |
| 16:32.26 | arghx | gionnico: not possible |
| 16:32.52 | gionnico | arghx: i cant really go on. it tells me cant find ethernet card. and it doesnt go on any way. red screen appears |
| 16:32.59 | arghx | gionnico: but if you want to download another netinst iso anyways, why can't you download the kmuto one? |
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| 16:33.23 | gionnico | arghx: ok i thought kmuto was a package.. |
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| 16:35.21 | gionnico | ok i'm downloading kmuto netinst stable |
| 16:35.31 | gionnico | so after the install it's a normal install? |
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| 16:36.13 | gionnico | and shall I install a backported kernel from within the fresh installed debian stable (with kmuto) ? |
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| 16:38.32 | onryo | If I install xfce on wheezy (testing) will it get trashed with Gnome 3 when I do a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:39.11 | GTRsdk | onryo, it shouldn't be. You can run apt-get dist-upgrade to see what would be removed |
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| 16:39.44 | arghx | onryo: it might. testing has bugs, lots of them. |
| 16:39.56 | drdo | Is there any known problem with cron on stable? |
| 16:41.01 | GTRsdk | What is the fastest way to install Debian? |
| 16:41.12 | mashed | drdo: Please be more specific. |
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| 16:41.51 | seetag | GTRsdk, install base system, than get fluxbox : ) |
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| 16:42.42 | GTRsdk | seetag, so to use the netinstaller then install just the base system? |
| 16:42.54 | onryo | GTRsdk, good to know. I just pimped it out with transparency and Gnome 2 like panels. Feels like a safe haven for ppl who liked the traditional desktop metaphor. ppl say that testing has tons of bugs but in the last year of using testing the only hickup I have had was getting Eclipse to work. |
| 16:43.49 | b0rsuk | arghx: Thank you, I'm eager to try it. |
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| 16:44.16 | drdo | mashed: My command doesn't and there are no logs |
| 16:44.19 | drdo | *doesn't run |
| 16:44.24 | drdo | and no errors reported |
| 16:44.36 | seetag | GTRsdk, yeah thats how i do it, and its the easiest and fastest way, if ya want get gnome or kde, i prefer fluxbox |
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| 16:45.23 | mashed | drdo: what's the line. what file did you put it in? |
| 16:45.34 | drdo | just used crontab -e |
| 16:45.44 | mashed | good, what's the line |
| 16:45.51 | seetag | GTRsdk, when you got the base system, install sudo, configure it and get the packages you need ; ) |
| 16:45.58 | drdo | */5 * * * * command |
| 16:46.30 | seetag | after removing a package i dont need anymore, i need to do apt-get -f install or i cant remove other packages, why? |
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| 16:46.52 | mashed | drdo: are you sure you have permission to run `command`? |
| 16:46.57 | themill | seetag: how did you remove it? |
| 16:47.05 | themill | (and what did you remove?) |
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| 16:47.28 | seetag | themill, using the software center |
| 16:47.32 | drdo | mashed: yes it's in my home dir and i can run it manually |
| 16:47.36 | seetag | themill, is it buggy? |
| 16:47.47 | themill | seetag: no idea. Never used it. |
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| 16:48.33 | mashed | drdo. there must be someting you're doing wrong you're not doing anything special there's no reason it shouldn't work. |
| 16:48.33 | seetag | themill, software center is really nice and easy, but after removing a package im forced to do apt-get -f install or i cant remove other |
| 16:49.03 | themill | seetag: what does "apt-get -f install" do? |
| 16:49.04 | drdo | mashed: well that's why the first thing i asked was about bugs, i've checked everything countless times |
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| 16:49.26 | drdo | cron isn't exactly rocket science |
| 16:49.27 | Tenkawa | drdo: is your command a single argument and the binary/script executable? |
| 16:49.39 | mashed | drdo: is cron actually running? `sudo service cron start` |
| 16:49.40 | Tenkawa | also check your syslog/cron log |
| 16:49.44 | drdo | mashed: it is |
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| 16:50.02 | drdo | Tenkawa: where are the cron logs? |
| 16:50.07 | seetag | themill, it tries to repair the broken dependencies |
| 16:50.22 | themill | seetag: that much I know... what is it doing in your case? |
| 16:50.41 | mashed | drdo: what's the output of `sudo grep crontab /var/log/syslog` |
| 16:51.01 | Tenkawa | brb.. need to reconnect |
| 16:51.10 | seetag | themill, so im removing a package... than im notable to remove other packages, i need to fix the dependencies... just want to know why.. |
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| 16:51.26 | mashed | drdo: in other words has crontab picked up your edits? |
| 16:51.34 | themill | seetag: and I can't answer that question without knowing more |
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| 16:52.00 | mashed | drdo: Nov 14 16:46:18 host crontab[12165]: (root) BEGIN EDIT (user) |
| 16:52.04 | themill | seetag: surprising as this may seem, ESP over IRC is actually quite hard to pull off. |
| 16:52.07 | drdo | mashed: a bunch of LIST, BEGIN EDIT and END EDIT |
| 16:52.17 | drdo | and RELOAD |
| 16:52.49 | jfb86 | hello |
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| 16:53.34 | seetag | themill, hm.. 1st thing is i start the software center.. than im removing a package, everything is fine... after its finished i try to remove other packages i need.. but it says i need to fix the dependencies (apt-get -f install) ... i do it than im able to remove other packages.. the problem is i need to do it over and over again so i dont know why i need to fix it all the time |
| 16:53.40 | drdo | hmm |
| 16:53.43 | drdo | /USR/SBIN/CRON[11671]: (CRON) error (grandchild #11672 failed with exit status 127) |
| 16:54.02 | themill | seetag: how about doing that and then sticking the output of "apt-get -f install" into a pastebin so we can see it? |
| 16:54.03 | seetag | themill, i try to remove other packages i dont need* ; ) |
| 16:54.14 | seetag | yeah ok mom , ) |
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| 16:54.26 | b0rsuk | Eeeek !! |
| 16:55.07 | b0rsuk | I'm doing cat image > /dev/sdf1, and I got a message "a z-modem connection has been detected, but no Z-modem software is installed" |
| 16:55.16 | EagleRock | drdo: that exit status usually means command not found...can you run the script outside of cron correctly? |
| 16:55.20 | b0rsuk | Am I in the process of fucking my system up ? |
| 16:55.55 | drdo | EagleRock: yes i can |
| 16:56.41 | seetag | http://pastebin.com/FHmHiMF3 |
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| 16:57.33 | seetag | themill, its in ger sry ; ) |
| 16:58.12 | themill | seetag: what did you ask software centre to remove? |
| 16:58.12 | EagleRock | drdo: does the script use absolute paths for the commands? It's possible the command in question isn't found by $PATH |
| 16:58.31 | b0rsuk | arghx: I find conflicting information in documentation. Does isohybrid *require* the use of mini.iso, or can I use netinstall ? It seems to point to suggest both, and doing cat > /dev/sdf lasts very long and produces creepy messages. |
| 16:58.33 | drdo | EagleRock: everything is absolute path |
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| 16:59.11 | seetag | themill, in this case it was.. hmm transmission bit torrent |
| 16:59.27 | mashed | drdo: keep in mind that an environment isn't created when a crontab is started |
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| 16:59.35 | drdo | oh i got the problem |
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| 16:59.38 | seetag | themill, it says i need to check 3rd party packages or sources, but dont know what it mean.. after that it says i need to make apt-get -f install |
| 16:59.46 | mashed | drdo: in other words only the system path is available |
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| 16:59.51 | drdo | that was it, the script is running something that's only in my user's path |
| 16:59.54 | themill | seetag: weird. Personally, I'd give up on software centre and use aptitude (or synaptic if you really want a point and drool interface) |
| 17:01.20 | seetag | themill, for me software center was easy to use from ubuntu long time ago.. and i dont need it really, but i want to know how to fix problems generally, thats just one of them |
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| 17:02.07 | arghx | b0rsuk: cat > /dev/sdf makes no sense whatsoever. and all ISO installer images from squeeze onwards are hybrid images. |
| 17:02.21 | seetag | themill, its just the logic im following... trying to fix problems, im really new to debian ; ) ^ |
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| 17:02.34 | arghx | b0rsuk: all you need is the netinst iso, nothing else |
| 17:03.07 | seetag | themill, but if im not able to solve this "easy thing" ... my way takes much longer i thaught : P |
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| 17:03.34 | arghx | seetag: what package causes you to apt-get -f install? |
| 17:03.45 | arghx | ie, what forces you to do this command? |
| 17:03.53 | seetag | arghx, all packages |
| 17:04.01 | arghx | that is nonsensical. |
| 17:04.22 | themill | arghx: [16:53] <seetag> themill, hm.. 1st thing is i start the software center.. than im removing a package, everything is fine... after its finished i try to remove other packages i need.. but it says i need to fix the dependencies (apt-get -f install) ... i do it than im able to remove other packages.. the problem is i need to do it over and over again so i dont know why i need to fix it all the time |
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| 17:04.28 | arghx | one or more packages are wrongly installed or somehow erroneus. what are the name(s) of these packages? |
| 17:04.33 | seetag | arghx, the software center says after removing one, i need to check 3rd party sources.. after ive done it i should do apt-get -f install |
| 17:04.48 | seetag | arghx, than it works, but why?? thats my problem : ) |
| 17:04.53 | arghx | themill: sure, but some package must cause this. the package has a name |
| 17:05.08 | themill | seetag: after you've run apt-get -f install, does the problem come back the next time you use software centre? |
| 17:05.14 | arghx | seetag: don't paraphrase errors but report them exactly |
| 17:05.20 | themill | arghx: [16:56] <seetag> http://pastebin.com/FHmHiMF3 |
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| 17:05.45 | seetag | themill, after i run the command im able to remove another package, but only one... than it comes back |
| 17:05.49 | themill | arghx: apt wants to install x11-xserver-utils xdg-utils ... no idea why they weren't there to begin with |
| 17:06.07 | seetag | themill, so i need to do the command over and over again.. that makes no sense for me i need to fix the prob in the roots : P |
| 17:06.37 | arghx | themill: and why it wants to remove all of xorg in the process |
| 17:06.54 | arghx | seetag: is xorg installed? |
| 17:06.59 | themill | seetag: is it always the same two packages that apt wants to install? |
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| 17:07.26 | seetag | themill, i dont know , i can try it again.. |
| 17:07.47 | seetag | arghx, yeah its installed |
| 17:08.01 | arghx | seetag: are you sure? have you checked with dpkg? |
| 17:08.18 | seetag | arghx, not really, but xorg isnt my x server ? |
| 17:08.25 | arghx | seetag: dpkg -l xorg |tail -1 |
| 17:08.27 | seetag | arghx, need the command to check. pls |
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| 17:08.30 | seetag | arghx, thanks |
| 17:08.54 | seetag | arghx, its not |
| 17:08.56 | arghx | seetag: and the output of apt-cache policy too please. all in a nice pastebin entry |
| 17:09.00 | arghx | thought so |
| 17:09.13 | arghx | seetag: please give us the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 17:10.22 | seetag | http://pastebin.com/LXy2gayw |
| 17:11.09 | arghx | install xorg. this will get rid of the autoremove suggestions from apt (hopefully) and installs the other x utils mentioned too |
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| 17:11.27 | arghx | and when you next run apt-get -f install better show us what it tries to "fix" |
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| 17:14.22 | seetag | arghx, im thinking back, after ive installed the base system ive just installed gnome, no xserver, maybe itself has installed the minimal packages.. dont know , but thanks : P |
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| 17:15.19 | seetag | arghx, but its not much to download when i apt-get -f install... just 250 kb or something like that |
| 17:15.58 | seetag | i give feedback if everything works fine |
| 17:16.09 | ukl | hello #debian. I'm a novice to ruby and want to try some application that is installable as a "rubygem" only. Now when I do as I am told, "gem install whatever-app", it complains about being unable to satisfy the dependencies' version constraints. What worries me is that I already have these dependencies installed via aptitude, in versions that are be supported, i.e., meet the constraints; it seems like "gem" ("gem1.9.1" and the 1.8 version don't d |
| 17:16.22 | ukl | (woa, wall of text, sorry.) |
| 17:16.45 | somiaj | you got cut off at 'versiond don't d' |
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| 17:18.13 | ukl | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:18.37 | ukl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.55 | sonya_ | i removed gdm replacing it with gdm3 but for some reason my internet cut out so it didnt resolve but it removed gdm from my main machine so now i can only boot into recovery how do i establish a connection via ifconfig through ethernet to get gdm3 on this other machine |
| 17:19.20 | ws2k3 | can i use l7-filter to detect if an connection is sending the same packet over and over again ? and if a machine is doing this just drop the source? |
| 17:19.46 | somiaj | sonya_: I prefer the interfaces file, /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 17:20.16 | somiaj | ws2k3: people in #netfilter may be more familar with those capabilities. |
| 17:20.22 | sonya_ | so ifup eth0 |
| 17:20.41 | ws2k3 | somiaj i already tryed a couple of times |
| 17:20.44 | somiaj | sonya_: well if you used network-manager you won't have any enteries for your eth0 device and will have to add it. |
| 17:20.50 | ws2k3 | but there is nobody that answers. |
| 17:20.57 | arghx | ws2k3: you tried a couple of times here too |
| 17:21.11 | Dulak | sonya_: sudo dhclient eth0 |
| 17:21.19 | Dulak | sonya_: that's the quick way |
| 17:21.41 | ws2k3 | yeah i know maby i ran into someone here that uses l7-filter.. |
| 17:21.44 | somiaj | ws2k3: Ahh ok, just a suggestion as you may find people who are more familar than a general debian chan. (: |
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| 17:23.07 | seetag | arghx, k back to oldschool dont need X anymore |
| 17:23.32 | Dulak | ws2k3: packets are not on layer 7 |
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| 17:23.47 | arghx | Dulak: do you know what l7-filter is? |
| 17:24.03 | ws2k3 | dulak i know but i can use the l7-filter to look int he packet. |
| 17:24.12 | ws2k3 | because i have some ddos attacks i wanne stop. |
| 17:24.20 | seetag | i want no dhcp when im logging in as root, network connection only for normal users.. how can i do that? |
| 17:24.25 | Dulak | It's a layer 7 filter that let's you filter on layer 7 |
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| 17:25.29 | jbeatty | Is there a channel for people who want to run Debian on ARM devices? |
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| 17:25.52 | Dulak | But a packet is layer 2, so a layer 7 filter won't do jack for you |
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| 17:26.21 | ukl | jbeatty: according to http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/, its #debian-arm on irc.debian.org |
| 17:26.47 | rypervenche | Is it possible to see what files have been downloaded from Apache? I would like to show some files to a friend, but I would like to see which were downloaded. |
| 17:27.01 | sonya_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.10 | ws2k3 | dulak i wanne be able to look in the packet to know whats the contect of it. |
| 17:27.15 | sonya_ | got gdm3 installed now via aptitude |
| 17:27.21 | seetag | so if someone hacks my computer and getting the root, it should terminate network connection.. i dont need network as root is it possible? |
| 17:27.29 | ws2k3 | if i see a connection sending packets with the same content all the time i wanne drop that connection. |
| 17:27.41 | jbeatty | seetag: root can change to any user without a password |
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| 17:28.01 | Dulak | ws2k3: that's fine but you do that at layer 2, not layer 7. Layer 7 is the application, so for a webserver it would be the session between the user and the app, not the packets being sent on the wire. |
| 17:28.01 | jbeatty | rule 0 of security: if they get root, you've lost. |
| 17:28.10 | b0rsuk | arghx: I followed a link in what you made bot tell me. And it described a method of copying an image onto a USB with cat mini.iso > /dev/sdX . Here's the link: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/ |
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| 17:28.53 | ElDiabolo | Is debian wheezy using /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf by default? |
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| 17:29.04 | seetag | jbeatty, hmm.. am i able to put the root connection on a usb stick? for example to login as root i need a crypted file, and this file is on a usb stick? |
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| 17:29.19 | ws2k3 | dulak i think i need layer 7. |
| 17:29.23 | jbeatty | seetag: just disable root password over ssh |
| 17:29.30 | Dulak | ws2k3: layer 7 is so you can say make sure a user session is always going to the same web server, when you have multiple web servers. |
| 17:29.36 | jbeatty | seetag: or disable signing in as root entirely (the Ubuntu solution()) |
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| 17:30.02 | ws2k3 | cause in the l7-filter are sample's that are very close to what i need |
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| 17:30.32 | Calyp | hmm... We're a few guys here using Wheezy, and one of us updated and got Gnome3. I suppose it's not in the stable version yet? |
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| 17:31.10 | Dulak | ws2k3: you're using the wrong terms for what you want. Packet is on layer 2, application is layer 7. So are you saying you want to filter on multiple requests to the same url? |
| 17:31.16 | themill | Calyp: debian stable only changes every couple of years. /msg dpkg stable |
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| 17:31.31 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, Reminds me I wanted to write a short "Surviving gnome 3" |
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| 17:31.35 | Dulak | ws2k3: so you can catch people that hammer a single url? |
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| 17:32.06 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, No, it isn't |
| 17:32.10 | Calyp | themill: ok, good. If any developers are here, i STRONGLY suggest you ditch ANY thought of using it for future distros. It sux so much balls it's tragic. |
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| 17:32.16 | jhutchins | How do I tell aptitude to remove all packages from a certain repository like dmm or mdn? |
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| 17:32.47 | seetag | jbeatty, no i dont like this concept ; ) i got no ssh server.. are there any firewalls where the connection to the internet (in and out) is controlled by me? on win i used comodo, console firewall would be no problem, but I need a standart security |
| 17:33.14 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, Enable fallback mode, switch the desktop to managed by nautilus and press ALT when right clicking the panel. |
| 17:33.15 | themill | Calyp: it's a work in progress that is in testing to be umm.. tested. That's what you signed up for by using testing. |
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| 17:33.41 | babilen | jhutchins: Something like "aptitude purge '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))'" (cf. /msg dpkg dmm list) |
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| 17:34.35 | Calyp | themill: sure i did, i like to contribute by testing new stuff, it does by no means mean i want my computer turned into a ugly smartphone xD |
| 17:34.53 | ElDiabolo | hehe |
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| 17:36.44 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, May be we should file a bug report that fallback mode should be default. |
| 17:36.47 | Dulak | gnome3 jumped the shark |
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| 17:37.16 | ElDiabolo | Dulak, Huh? |
| 17:37.33 | Calyp | ElDiabolo: Indeed. I just attended the FSCONS conference in Gothemburg, met up with all theese great developers, hackers, tinkers, makers, thinkers and technicians, and absolutely no one had anything remotely positive to say about gnome3, not even the folks there working for Gnome... |
| 17:37.54 | Calyp | thats how badly it sux |
| 17:37.56 | Dulak | Jumping the shark is an idiom, first employed to describe a moment in the evolution of a television show when it begins a decline in quality that is beyond recovery. |
| 17:37.56 | Calyp | ^^ |
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| 17:38.22 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, The interesting question is: Why does this happen. |
| 17:38.25 | boudiccas | Dulak; must be american then, as its not in common usage in the UK |
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| 17:38.52 | Calyp | ElDiabolo: mhm... any idea? I'm baffled |
| 17:38.54 | cantido | Calyp: you are free to start your own desktop |
| 17:39.00 | ws2k3 | dulak no people are sending packets to me with the the same content |
| 17:39.05 | ws2k3 | i wanne block those people. |
| 17:39.06 | Dulak | It's from an american TV show called Happy Days, it's old, and it is an americanism, but it's an internet meme now |
| 17:39.17 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, No. Thats why it is an interesting question to me:) |
| 17:39.23 | Calyp | hehe, I'm also free to keep using previous versions, wich is what i'll do |
| 17:39.36 | Dulak | ws2k3: stop calling them packets, you will confuse people that actually know how the layers work |
| 17:39.41 | Calyp | Thankfully, it was not me that did the update here =) |
| 17:39.58 | cantido | Calyp: fair enough, dont bitch about what people do with their free time though ;9 |
| 17:39.58 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, I don't think the gnome guys are trying to annoy tech users on purpose. |
| 17:40.02 | Dulak | ws2k3: is it http GET requests? |
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| 17:40.30 | Calyp | ElDiabolo: prolly not, but they should get out of their bubble i guess =P |
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| 17:40.49 | Calyp | cantido: Am i? |
| 17:41.00 | themill | yes |
| 17:41.07 | ws2k3 | dulak no |
| 17:41.24 | Dulak | ws2k3: so it's just garbage data? |
| 17:41.26 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, They are ignoring a bug report from me for month now. Not even a won't fix. |
| 17:41.33 | ws2k3 | some people are the antire day sending me "\xFF\xFF\xFF\xFFgetstatus\x00") |
| 17:41.42 | ws2k3 | a packets with that content |
| 17:41.55 | ws2k3 | i wanne detect it and drop those peopel that are doing that |
| 17:42.04 | ws2k3 | because it generated alot of data traffic on my server |
| 17:42.21 | ws2k3 | my servers are responding to the request so that is the cause of the data traffic |
| 17:42.43 | Dulak | ws2k3: ok I see the confusion yet, yes layer 7 is what you want then |
| 17:42.53 | Calyp | I see it as contributing serious suggestions to the Debian developers to watch out for imposing garbage on their users, as without users any effort during your free time will be vain. |
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| 17:43.30 | Calyp | *in vain |
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| 17:43.51 | themill | Calyp: there are no debian gnome maintainers in here that I know of. All you're doing is distracting other people. (and do you think that the debian gnome maintainers aren't aware that this is a very early release of gnome and that it's not set to be the greatest thing around?) |
| 17:44.03 | ws2k3 | dulak but i'm still working on the l7-filter package for iptables but i cant get it done |
| 17:44.06 | jhutchin1_lt | How do I configure which display manager (?dm) is the default? I did dpkg-reconfigure kdm, but it still says kdm is not the default display manager |
| 17:44.21 | ws2k3 | when i wanne start l7-filter i get Added: http mark=18 |
| 17:44.21 | ws2k3 | error during nfq_create_queue() |
| 17:44.28 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, Debian was at least clever enough to not go beyond gdm 2.22 and leave it in as option later. |
| 17:44.32 | ws2k3 | on google i cant find answer to that |
| 17:44.34 | Dulak | ws2k3: l7-filter isn't working or you don't know how to make it drop stuff? |
| 17:44.56 | themill | jhutchin1_lt: see /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 17:45.11 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, But debian can't do too much about gnomes route. |
| 17:45.12 | babilen | Calyp: Please realise that Debian is a distribution that packages software released by upstream. This is also hardly an support issue and, frankly, I am tired of these discussions. Gnome3 is not bad (IMHO, tested 3.2) and there are plenty of alternatives. I would kindly ask you to take this discussion somewhere else (#gnome3-discussion, #defocus, ...) |
| 17:45.12 | ws2k3 | isnt working |
| 17:46.03 | Calyp | constructive critisizm = distraction? |
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| 17:46.04 | Calyp | wow |
| 17:46.27 | themill | Calyp: yes. Because all you're doing is distracting people like babilen and myself from doing something more productive for debian. |
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| 17:46.42 | Calyp | ElDiabolo: they can avoid it, is what I'm saying ;) |
| 17:46.43 | EagleRock | Calyp: it is only constructive if you're telling the people that can do something about it |
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| 17:46.54 | jhutchin1_lt | themill: Thanks, starting now. |
| 17:47.03 | jhutchin1_lt | Recovering from installing trinity-desktop |
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| 17:48.40 | Calyp | EagleRock: i guess i assumed there would actually be some people out of 1156 in this chan actually affiliated with the developmment of Debian, i guess i was wrong. |
| 17:48.48 | Dulak | ws2k3: you patched your kernel? |
| 17:48.54 | ElDiabolo | Calyp, Practically you can ditch gnome for xfce or kde or (as I did) turn on fallback and avoid the change for at least a while. |
| 17:49.12 | ws2k3 | dulak no |
| 17:49.28 | jbeatty | People still use GNOME? |
| 17:49.31 | jbeatty | That's a funny joke. |
| 17:49.35 | Dulak | ws2k3: l7-filter requires you to patch the kernel |
| 17:49.36 | ws2k3 | u tryed the userspace |
| 17:49.37 | kenjy | if I wanna send the output from stout and sterr to a file why does command 2&> filename does not work under debian? can you help me? |
| 17:49.42 | ws2k3 | i tryed the userspace |
| 17:49.51 | Dulak | ws2k3: oh sec the |
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| 17:50.02 | themill | Calyp: there are a few who are, but as I told you earlier, no-one involved in debian gnome packaging is here. IRC also makes a really poor way of reporting bugs and fundamentally this is a help channel not a channel for discussing development. Can we move on now, please? |
| 17:50.07 | somiaj | kenjy: 2&> just rdirects stderr. |
| 17:50.20 | Calyp | sure |
| 17:50.35 | kenjy | somiaj: tnks |
| 17:50.38 | somiaj | kenjy: you just want foo &> file to redirect all output |
| 17:50.40 | threadlock | Calyp: if you want to contribute with suggestions in a serious manner i guess you should subscribe to a mailing-list or talk to the package maintainer (via email), what you say here will get lost |
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| 17:50.51 | DelphiWorld | hello folks |
| 17:51.02 | DelphiWorld | i have a strange issue that caused my kernel to by droped off :( |
| 17:51.07 | DelphiWorld | i installed perl |
| 17:51.10 | DelphiWorld | apt-get install perl |
| 17:51.15 | Dulak | ws2k3: what kernel are you running? uname -a |
| 17:51.18 | DelphiWorld | but they asked to remove my kernel or something |
| 17:51.27 | DelphiWorld | i sudanly pressed yes and they droped off my linux base |
| 17:51.28 | ws2k3 | Linux server 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:42:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:51.53 | kenjy | somiaj: tnks |
| 17:51.53 | somiaj | kenjy: another solution is 'foo > file 2>&1' -- that redirects stdout to file, and then the 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout (which then gets redirected tothe file) |
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| 17:52.37 | Dulak | ws2k3: does lsmod show 'nf_conntrack_netlink' or 'ip_conntrack_netlink' as loaded? |
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| 17:53.02 | Calyp | threadlock: sure, and I'm on it, i just happened to be in here since long, and were totally baffeled by how utterly useless this "update" was that i felt i should help the Debian community avoid fubaring this great distro, you know. But sorry, I'll stfu about itt here then, no worries |
| 17:53.16 | jordanm | kenjy: somiaj: if using bash, you can use foo &> file |
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| 17:53.38 | kenjy | jordanm: Im going through the &> option =) |
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| 17:53.55 | ws2k3 | yeah i think it shows |
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| 17:54.18 | somiaj | jordanm: I gave him that option first, though knowing 2>&1 can be useful with pipe. |
| 17:54.30 | Dulak | ws2k3: did you compile the kernel with the older layer 3 stuff as the howto says to do? |
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| 17:54.37 | themill | kenjy: recognise that is a bashism and won't work with scripts using #!/bin/sh |
| 17:54.38 | ws2k3 | no |
| 17:54.44 | ws2k3 | i tryed the userspace |
| 17:54.47 | jordanm | somiaj: sorry, I missed that part |
| 17:54.51 | ws2k3 | that dont requre a kernel patch |
| 17:55.18 | konverguoju | hi, is there any way to discover how many ram slots my laptop has and how many dimms are occupied without taking your laptop apart? |
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| 17:55.34 | ws2k3 | dulak but i think the userspace is in beta |
| 17:55.35 | jordanm | konverguoju: dmidecode may provide that information |
| 17:55.36 | Dulak | ws2k3: that needs to be done for the userspace, in kernel 2.6.20 the stuff l7-filter uses in the kernel changed, and l7-filter still requires the older way, which is an option you can set when you compile the kernel |
| 17:55.36 | ws2k3 | but i'm not sure |
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| 17:55.56 | Dulak | ws2k3: did you even read the howto? it's listed right there under the heading "Kernel' |
| 17:56.01 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 17:56.04 | themill | dpkg: tell konverguoju about myram |
| 17:56.05 | ws2k3 | i didnt see under userspace |
| 17:56.21 | Dulak | ws2k3: I'm talking about the userspace howto |
| 17:56.34 | Dulak | ws2k3: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/HOWTO-userspace |
| 17:56.35 | ws2k3 | hmm i didnt see sorry |
| 17:56.41 | Dulak | ws2k3: under the heading Kernel |
| 17:56.47 | jordanm | konverguoju: it will display as: "Size: No Module Installed" if the memory slot is available |
| 17:56.59 | jhutchin1_lt | is there a way to mark/remove packages that match a patterin such as *-foo? |
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| 17:57.14 | Dulak | ws2k3: you need the older version of the nf_conntrack_netfilter module, which is easy to enable if you compile a kernel |
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| 17:57.29 | konverguoju | jordanm: thanks, so, dmidecode is what I need to get? |
| 17:57.38 | ws2k3 | well i first need to know |
| 17:57.41 | ws2k3 | what i want can that be done |
| 17:57.44 | ws2k3 | with l7-filter? |
| 17:57.56 | kenjy | themill: so witouth bash I should use 2&>1 instead of &> ? |
| 17:58.16 | Dulak | You can do what you want with l7, l7 is for doing things based on the content of a packet, which is exactly what you need to do |
| 17:58.19 | themill | kenjy: you'd need two redirects |
| 17:58.44 | kenjy | themill: like "2&>1" ??? |
| 17:59.10 | DelphiWorld | can someone help |
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| 17:59.56 | themill | kenjy: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/055 |
| 18:00.19 | nkuttler | DelphiWorld: please make an effort to be less vague |
| 18:00.42 | DelphiWorld | nkuttler: i set up perl (apt-get install perl) |
| 18:00.48 | DelphiWorld | then asked to drop off my kernel image |
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| 18:01.00 | DelphiWorld | then my linux-base and linux-image gone |
| 18:01.28 | bzed | DelphiWorld: are you probably using unstable? |
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| 18:01.44 | nkuttler | DelphiWorld: and what's the problem? |
| 18:01.45 | DelphiWorld | bzed: true |
| 18:01.45 | Dulak | ws2k3: once you get it working you don't want to drop those packets btw, you want to rate limit them, so you don't end up dropping false positives. You'll rate limit those packets down to where they don't kill the server. You CAN drop them, but it's not a good idea to do so because there can be false positives, which would drop legit traffic. |
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| 18:01.57 | DelphiWorld | nkuttler: the issue is that my kernel gone |
| 18:02.09 | nkuttler | DelphiWorld: so reinstall it or boot another one.. |
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| 18:02.22 | DelphiWorld | nkuttler: how ? apt-get install linux-base fail |
| 18:02.27 | bzed | DelphiWorld: if you don;t know why and how to handle such problems, you should not be using unstable. |
| 18:02.35 | bzed | !unstable |
| 18:02.35 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 18:02.37 | themill | DelphiWorld: welcome to sid. Get popcorn and enjoy the show. |
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| 18:02.48 | DelphiWorld | themill: haha |
| 18:03.21 | themill | offers DelphiWorld http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/perl5.14.html |
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| 18:03.39 | bzed | DelphiWorld: add testing to your sources.list and then install linux-image-2.6-yourplatform |
| 18:03.39 | DelphiWorld | themill: thank you |
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| 18:03.58 | b0rsuk | Okay, so the Ubuntu machine I've been trying to install Debian to... suddenly started behaving. I'm not even sure I performed any software updates. |
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| 18:04.02 | Dulak | When I was running sid, I would put off updating for weeks and weeks because of that. Finally just moved back to stable and backported what I needed. |
| 18:04.12 | b0rsuk | I HATE it when stuff "fixes itself" for no visible reason. |
| 18:04.13 | DelphiWorld | bzed: i use 3.0 :) |
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| 18:04.28 | nkuttler | i just downgraded my last unstable box to testing :| no time to play |
| 18:04.40 | jbeatty | >mfw people are still using linux-2.6 |
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| 18:05.14 | bzed | DelphiWorld: … and you don;t know that the source is still called linux-2.6 and linux-image-2.6-foo will still install what you are using |
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| 18:05.31 | DelphiWorld | bzed: :P |
| 18:06.05 | themill | you'll have to force the perl interpreter package to download too, I imagine. |
| 18:06.13 | bzed | nkuttler: thats why you have testing and unstable in your sources list so you can let apt* do its work and let it keep a more or less uable system for you ;) |
| 18:06.22 | bzed | themill: (from testing) |
| 18:06.38 | ws2k3 | bulak i'll be right back |
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| 18:06.57 | themill | bzed: yes. fun for all the family |
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| 18:07.33 | nkuttler | bzed: your making it sound like testing lets you have a usable system |
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| 18:07.58 | jbeatty | Testing has never broken for me |
| 18:08.14 | themill | jbeatty: count yourself lucky then |
| 18:08.28 | bzed | nkuttler: usually testing works very well. |
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| 18:08.50 | jhutchin1_lt | Sorry to repeat, but is there a way to remove packages that contain a given string? |
| 18:08.52 | jbeatty | then again, I come from using Arch's unstable repos, so my definition of "break" is "I had to reinstall" |
| 18:08.52 | DelphiWorld | bzed: themill: i used testing for my DVB stufs to work :) |
| 18:08.54 | cantido | with ~20,000 I have a feeling it might be broken for some people |
| 18:09.06 | themill | jbeatty: "packages that contain a string" meaning what? |
| 18:09.21 | themill | jhutchin1_lt: ^^ |
| 18:09.32 | themill | jhutchin1_lt: do you mean aptitude remove ~nsubstring ? |
| 18:09.33 | nkuttler | bzed: right. sometimes it works quite well. |
| 18:10.00 | jhutchin1_lt | themill: That sounds likely |
| 18:10.08 | babilen | jhutchin1_lt: Something like "aptitude remove ~nthe_string" ? (test with "aptitude search '~nthe_string'" first) |
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| 18:11.05 | themill | jhutchin1_lt: add a ~i to that so that aptitude doesn't tell you about all the packages that it's going to not remove because they're not installed anyway |
| 18:11.16 | babilen | oh, yeah |
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| 18:13.04 | DelphiWorld | themill: apt-get install perlapi-5.12.3 give me not found in the source |
| 18:13.16 | themill | it's a virtual package |
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| 18:13.54 | themill | ,rprovides perlapi-5.12.3 wheezy |
| 18:13.58 | judd | Package perlapi-5.12.3 in wheezy/i386 is provided by: perl-base. |
| 18:14.26 | hyper_ch | hi DelphiWorld |
| 18:14.33 | DelphiWorld | hey hyper_ch :P |
| 18:14.53 | DelphiWorld | thank you judd is allready installed but linux-image complaining about it :) |
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| 18:16.15 | DelphiWorld | what should i do :( |
| 18:16.19 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: perl-base |
| 18:16.19 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: i don't know |
| 18:16.28 | b0rsuk | What's the simplest way to make a bootable (for installation purposes) USB stick with Wheezy (testing) ? |
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| 18:17.05 | babilen | !tell b0rsuk -about usb install |
| 18:17.13 | themill | DelphiWorld: obviously you need to install perl-base from testing. (And perhaps you should consider running testing in the long run rather than unstable...) |
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| 18:17.42 | DelphiWorld | themill: true but i used unstable only for drivers. |
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| 18:17.57 | themill | DelphiWorld: when there's the same kernel in both testing and unstable? |
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| 18:17.58 | babilen | b0rsuk: I would also recommend to use the stable *installer* and use it to install squeeze. You might have luck with the stable installer and an installation of wheezy, but that is not really tested. dailies/weeklies are untested and I have no idea if that works. |
| 18:18.00 | jhutchin1_lt | Installing trinity on lenny is not a smooth transition. |
| 18:18.12 | DelphiWorld | themill: not sure :( |
| 18:18.14 | babilen | b0rsuk: So, install squeeze and upgrade from there |
| 18:18.17 | themill | jhutchin1_lt: isn't that crap designed for squeeze anyway? |
| 18:18.43 | jhutchin1_lt | themill: The idea is to continue fixing and possibly developing kde3 |
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| 18:19.17 | jhutchin1_lt | themill: So yeah, meant to replace kde4 on squeeze, but there's also some bugfixes on lenny - and several broken things. |
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| 18:20.02 | b0rsuk | Is that a general truth ? You don't try to install Debian Testing on anything right away ? |
| 18:20.16 | b0rsuk | You always instal Stable and upgrade to testing ? |
| 18:20.20 | DelphiWorld | themill: so please bro what should i do ? |
| 18:20.25 | DelphiWorld | i don't want to fuck up my debian :( |
| 18:20.35 | themill | jhutchin1_lt: I wasn't aware they were making packages for lenny too. Their packages are certainly gaining a nice reputation just like the dotdeb ones... And as for "updating" the packages, you might want to have a look at how many CVEs have(n't) been closed. |
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| 18:21.21 | jhutchin1_lt | I have a strange bug in konversation that has followed me from Mandriva through lenny. |
| 18:21.37 | jhutchin1_lt | Only happens on this system, it goes to 90+% CPU. |
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| 18:21.48 | Silent | Hello. |
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| 18:21.51 | jhutchin1_lt | Then it's fine for a while. True with trinity as well. |
| 18:22.04 | jhutchin1_lt | I'm going to restart, see if this recovers. |
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| 18:22.33 | Silent | I've just installed Debina Squeeze on my server, and I would like to install sudo. |
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| 18:23.09 | DelphiWorld | Silent: apt-get install sudo |
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| 18:23.42 | themill | DelphiWorld: umm... install perl-base (and perl) from testing. |
| 18:23.43 | Silent | The server does have access to the internet, but whebever I type "apt-get install sudo" it wants the "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20111008-13:01" |
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| 18:23.56 | DelphiWorld | themill: how to how to how to :P |
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| 18:24.15 | cantido | Silent: comment out the cd in your sources |
| 18:24.26 | Silent | Where is the sources file? |
| 18:25.04 | DelphiWorld | i'm afraid to get my home debian fucked up :( |
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| 18:25.35 | themill | DelphiWorld: man aptitude covers how to install a specific version of a package. |
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| 18:25.51 | DelphiWorld | themill: did you forget that i'm blind and man is my enmy? :P |
| 18:25.59 | babilen | Silent: /etc/apt/sources.list -- After you've installed sudo you most likely want to add users to the "sudo" group (with "adduser USER sudo") or come up with a more fine grain configuration. See "/msg dpkg sudo" and "/msg dpkg sudoers" for more information. |
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| 18:26.16 | themill | DelphiWorld: "aptitude install packagename=version" |
| 18:26.25 | Silent | Yes, thank you. |
| 18:26.29 | DelphiWorld | themill: so what version of perl-base? |
| 18:26.31 | ws2k3 | Dulak i'm back |
| 18:26.39 | DelphiWorld | FUCK |
| 18:26.40 | Silent | Why is the CD included in that file by default? |
| 18:26.43 | DelphiWorld | i guess is runing 3.1 |
| 18:26.45 | DelphiWorld | WTF? |
| 18:26.50 | Silent | Never had such a problem with Lenny. |
| 18:26.51 | jhutchin1_lt | Xsession: unable to launch "" --- "" not found; falling back to default session |
| 18:26.56 | ws2k3 | Dulak: there are more way of running the userspace u can download the source and compile it |
| 18:27.08 | babilen | !tell Silent -about sources.list |
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| 18:27.10 | DelphiWorld | themill: i did apt-get clean then update then upgrade then dist-upgrade |
| 18:27.11 | ws2k3 | or u can run apt-get install l7-filter-userspace and thats what i did |
| 18:27.19 | DelphiWorld | themill: now is setting up the 3.1 kernel source |
| 18:27.29 | babilen | Silent: You probably did not configure the network during the initial installation. |
| 18:27.42 | Silent | Oooh |
| 18:27.46 | Silent | Yes that makes sense |
| 18:27.52 | Silent | As I didn't download anything. |
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| 18:28.03 | Silent | Just installed the core and an SSH server. |
| 18:28.04 | Dulak | ws2k3: any which way you do things, the kernel changed after 2.6.20, you are running a kernel newer than that, hence you need to compile the kernel with the flag that tells it to use the old stuff that l7-filter requires to work. |
| 18:28.35 | Dulak | ws2k3: you will not get l7-filter working on your kernel version without recompiling. |
| 18:28.47 | babilen | Silent: If you are unsure how your sources.list should look like or how to edit it let me know, OK? |
| 18:29.02 | ws2k3 | dulak maby i should consider the kernel way then |
| 18:29.18 | ws2k3 | if i need to recompile the kernel anyway i should do it good |
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| 18:29.34 | Dulak | ws2k3: it's much easier to recompile the kernel and just change the flag than actually patching the kernel |
| 18:29.36 | Silent | Sure, thanks. |
| 18:30.01 | ws2k3 | dulak does the system have to go down if i wanne change the kernel? |
| 18:30.02 | babilen | Silent: don't forget to run "apt-get update" after editing it ... Have fun! |
| 18:30.08 | ws2k3 | cause i never recompiled the kernel before |
| 18:30.14 | Silent | I will :) |
| 18:30.15 | blinki | how can I enable/disable dpms on a monitor while X is running? running `xset -q` as the user that ran `startx` says it can't find the display, but it's running and the /tmp/X0-lock file exist (and I can see the X screen on tty7 |
| 18:30.16 | Dulak | ws2k3: yes you have to boot onto the new kernel |
| 18:30.27 | Silent | I've missed Linux after about a month of FreeBSD. |
| 18:30.32 | Dulak | ws2k3: is it a server? |
| 18:30.40 | Dulak | ws2k3: like remote in a data center? |
| 18:30.44 | DelphiWorld | what is fakeroot? |
| 18:30.48 | Silent | Hmm,,, |
| 18:30.54 | Silent | A little off-topic |
| 18:31.02 | Silent | Does qemu support headless VMs? |
| 18:31.12 | Dulak | DelphiWorld: it's a package that fakes root access for making packages |
| 18:31.36 | DelphiWorld | Dulak: LOL... so is also good to hack Dulak's Servers :) |
| 18:31.41 | DelphiWorld | haha |
| 18:31.45 | jkyle | I'm looking for a detailed explanation of each option for the debian-installer. For example, exactly what "partman/confirm_nooverwrite" maps to. I'm looking here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, but not finding it |
| 18:31.48 | ws2k3 | dulak no i already know what i needed to know |
| 18:32.29 | babilen | Silent: It does, use kvm if possible. |
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| 18:32.45 | ws2k3 | dulak should i start this on a running server? |
| 18:32.52 | ws2k3 | or do u advice to build an test envirement first? |
| 18:33.14 | babilen | Silent: http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Usage + http://wiki.qemu.org/Manual |
| 18:33.16 | Dulak | ws2k3: for a first time kernel compile you want a staging box to get it right on |
| 18:33.21 | Silent | Ah, KVM |
| 18:33.28 | Silent | Great idea :D |
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| 18:33.32 | ws2k3 | what u mean with a staging box |
| 18:33.39 | ws2k3 | sorry english is not my main language |
| 18:33.51 | Dulak | ws2k3: test box, that you can mess up on. |
| 18:33.55 | ws2k3 | aah ok |
| 18:33.58 | Silent | Would deb run ok with 128MB RAM? |
| 18:34.00 | Silent | No GUI |
| 18:34.04 | ws2k3 | well if u give me a sec then i will build a test box |
| 18:34.05 | Silent | As say, a web server |
| 18:34.13 | jkyle | ws2k3: a box that is exactly like your production server, but it doesn't matter if it fails |
| 18:34.20 | babilen | Silent: Borderline, but should be OK |
| 18:34.32 | Silent | I see |
| 18:34.37 | Silent | Right, thanks again. |
| 18:34.44 | Dulak | Silent: 128m is a bit low, but with some trimming it can be done. I'd use nginx for the web server |
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| 18:35.06 | nkuttler | Silent: you probably want a lightweight httpd and serve mostly static files |
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| 18:35.49 | Silent | Yeah |
| 18:35.52 | jbeatty | jkyle: "exactly like your production server" is sometimes ridiculously expensive |
| 18:35.54 | Silent | Just a single page |
| 18:35.55 | blinki | nevermind, forgot to export the DISPLAY variable. funny that's the 3rd time I've managed to solve my own problem without you fine peeps |
| 18:36.00 | Silent | To test it out. |
| 18:36.04 | jbeatty | I spent a lot of money on my big rackserver, I sure as hell can't afford a second one |
| 18:36.04 | Silent | Nothing more. |
| 18:36.05 | nkuttler | Silent: that's no problem |
| 18:36.12 | Silent | Good :) |
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| 18:37.03 | ws2k3 | well its a pretty default box.. so |
| 18:37.07 | Dulak | jbeatty: if that machine is a money maker, you damn well better have something you can play with rather than the money-maker. |
| 18:37.26 | GTRsdk | How do I set up a file server that can be accessed by anyone on the network via HTTP? |
| 18:37.31 | Dulak | jbeatty: it doesn't necessarily have to be exactly the same, but it should be the same OS at least |
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| 18:38.44 | Dulak | You never risk a money machine with anything you haven't tested first. That's operations 101. |
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| 18:39.36 | jbrks | GTRsdk, YOU MEAN WEBDAV |
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| 18:39.51 | jbrks | GTRsdk, WEBDAV == HTTP+<WRITE> |
| 18:40.08 | jhutchin1_lt | How do I set the default session for X/kdm? |
| 18:40.12 | GTRsdk | jbrks, webdav is a package? |
| 18:40.13 | Silent | Right, was nice talking to you |
| 18:40.18 | Silent | Thanks again for your help. |
| 18:40.23 | Silent | I'm off now. Bye |
| 18:40.38 | jbrks | GTRsdk, webdav is available as an addon to apache.. |
| 18:41.05 | somiaj | jhutchin1_lt: afiak the default session honors $HOME/.xsession |
| 18:41.08 | jbrks | there's other webdav servers i'm sure |
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| 18:41.37 | DelphiWorld | RE.RE.RE |
| 18:41.45 | DelphiWorld | how do i chouse what kernel to boot ? |
| 18:42.08 | jbrks | DelphiWorld, you should have a prompt <seconds> countdown for grub.. |
| 18:42.09 | GTRsdk | DelphiWorld, in GRUB |
| 18:42.20 | DelphiWorld | GTRsdk: file please ? |
| 18:42.27 | GTRsdk | jbrks, so apt-get install apache then do what? |
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| 18:43.37 | jbrks | GTRsdk, i can't say all the directions.. because it may be too tedious.. a .htaccess file rule may be used to authenticate users.. but I found this a little awkward because i was able to see this file from the webdav client |
| 18:43.44 | Dulak | It always makes me wonder how many people get paid to do things but just come to irc and get someone to walk them through it... Not commenting on anyone directly, it just seems like people do not like to read. |
| 18:43.52 | jbrks | GTRsdk, you'll have to dig in some work.. |
| 18:43.58 | DelphiWorld | GTRsdk: thank you, aguin how do i also enable serial console on grub ? |
| 18:44.03 | Dulak | I feel like I'm getting paid so much just to read the damn docs and do what they say. |
| 18:44.15 | jbrks | GTRsdk, but it's probably way easier to set this up.. than a whole other suite of things.. like a .php framework etc.. |
| 18:44.42 | jbrks | GTRsdk, if you go the .php or other scripting route.. you'll end up having to look into setting up databases etc etc.. it can get complicating.. |
| 18:44.58 | GTRsdk | jbrks, I don't think the client browser could handle php, so basic HTML would have to work |
| 18:45.08 | jbrks | GTRsdk, but webdav is here to stay and is a standard.. webdav imho is the best route |
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| 18:45.20 | Dulak | php runs on the server, not the browser |
| 18:45.26 | GTRsdk | is weborf okay? |
| 18:45.45 | GTRsdk | or python-webdav? |
| 18:46.09 | jbrks | GTRsdk, if it's easy.. then go ahead.. |
| 18:46.36 | jbrks | GTRsdk, according to its description it's supposed to be easy to setup.. |
| 18:47.15 | jbrks | GTRsdk, but i'm not quite sure if its what you need-> " simple interface to webdav services to any application which needs it. " .. not exactly sure what this relates to |
| 18:47.26 | jkyle | jbeatty: true, but can also be ridiculously useful :) |
| 18:47.52 | DelphiWorld | i don't see any kernel reference to my kernel |
| 18:48.37 | DelphiWorld | in grub.conf |
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| 18:48.48 | jbrks | GTRsdk, no that package is probably not what you're looking for -> "Python WebDAV implementation (level 1 and 2) that features a library that enables you to integrate WebDAV server capabilities to your application. " << it's for developers |
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| 18:50.10 | jbrks | GTRsdk, try google "debian wiki webdav" |
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| 18:51.58 | DelphiWorld | my grub.cfg: http://pastebin.com/EA0TYFnd |
| 18:52.11 | GTRsdk | jbrks, Basically I want an easy way to download files onto PlayStation when needed |
| 18:52.21 | jkyle | 0~ |
| 18:52.22 | jhutchin1_lt | This is really frustrating, I'm finding bugs from Ubuntu about not being able to start session "", but the only things I can find for debian is how to set the default session for kde2 |
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| 18:52.48 | ws2k3 | Dulak i have a virtual machine but i cant install 64 bits in it |
| 18:53.03 | ws2k3 | my machines are 64 bits does it matter when i build a test machine with 32 bit? |
| 18:53.06 | ozzloy | if i have uncommitted local changes and i do a git pull, is there a way to get git to git stash; git pull; git stash pop; automatically? |
| 18:53.10 | jbrks | GTRsdk, playstation has a webdav client? |
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| 18:53.30 | jbrks | GTRsdk, you implying upload as well? |
| 18:53.31 | GTRsdk | jbrks, the PlayStation has a web browser which can handle basic html |
| 18:53.38 | GTRsdk | not upload |
| 18:53.40 | GTRsdk | just download |
| 18:53.44 | jbrks | GTRsdk, basic html is not uploading |
| 18:53.56 | Dulak | ws2k3: that's probably ok, if you are using the VM to learn the kernel compile method, you'll just have to do it on the server too, once you are ready |
| 18:54.06 | jbrks | GTRsdk, or basic http, should i say, has not write capability |
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| 18:54.14 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Doesn't look as if you have a kernel installed or, at least, that update-grub was run at a time when you did not. What is the output of "aptitude versions ~i~n^linux-image" ? (and please use http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 18:54.29 | Dulak | ws2k3: you are mainly doing this so once you do it on the server, you can be confident you won't trash it. |
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| 18:54.45 | GTRsdk | jbrks, If I could set a HTML page to load, I could have files linked that I want to have available to the PlayStation. |
| 18:54.46 | jbrks | GTRsdk, #playstation-linux |
| 18:55.03 | jbrks | or is there another simialr chan? |
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| 18:55.28 | GTRsdk | jbrks, I do not want to run Linux on my PlayStation, I want to download files from my Debian computer to my PlayStation |
| 18:55.42 | GTRsdk | but I need to have a basic HTML page to download the files |
| 18:55.46 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i run aptitude versions linux-image right ? |
| 18:56.05 | babilen | DelphiWorld: No, you run exactly the command I gave you. |
| 18:56.12 | ws2k3 | Dulak what are you trying to say with that |
| 18:56.20 | DelphiWorld | babilen: that have some ~~~ right ? |
| 18:56.21 | ws2k3 | sorry my english is not that great |
| 18:56.22 | DelphiWorld | is failing :) |
| 18:56.31 | Dulak | ws2k3: 32 bit is ok, you can use it to learn |
| 18:56.37 | ws2k3 | ok thanks |
| 18:56.46 | DelphiWorld | paste it back please babilen ? |
| 18:56.50 | Dulak | ws2k3: after you know the kernel change won't break, you do it on the server |
| 18:56.51 | babilen | DelphiWorld: How me please -- But try "aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-image'" first |
| 18:57.01 | babilen | DelphiWorld: err, *Show me please |
| 18:57.23 | jbrks | GTRsdk, well if you want a cheap solution and playstation has a "java" plugin or a flash plugin for its web browser.. you can always setup a webpage that has a java sftp or ftp client |
| 18:57.44 | DelphiWorld | babilen: LOL runing aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-image'" give me ">" and is waiting for me to typ something:) |
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| 18:58.29 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You have to run the command without " |
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| 18:58.58 | DelphiWorld | ok babilen, just passed without any output |
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| 18:59.54 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You don't have a kernel installed in that case. Pro Tip: You should change that. Install a suitable linux-image package such as linux-image-amd64 (if you are running amd64) |
| 18:59.55 | DelphiWorld | babilen: here's uname -r: 3.0.0-2-686-pae |
| 19:00.10 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Make it linux-image-686-pae in that case |
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| 19:00.16 | DelphiWorld | babilen: one our of fighting but failed to get it runing |
| 19:00.29 | babilen | DelphiWorld: That metapackage should pull in a suitable kernel. |
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| 19:01.02 | DelphiWorld | babilen: can you permit me to kill myself? :) |
| 19:01.32 | DelphiWorld | babilen: http://pastebin.com/d74vubEi :) |
| 19:01.40 | Wayny | how do I cange a miniPCI WLAN card's ID to use it on laptops where they are not "certified" by the vendor? |
| 19:01.58 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Please don't use pastebin.com but http://paste.debian.net -- I will not keep on typing captchas. |
| 19:02.14 | jelly-home | Wayny: in general, you don't. People usually hack BIOS whitelists instead. |
| 19:02.17 | DelphiWorld | sory babilen but i sufer from captcha much thant you ; |
| 19:02.19 | DelphiWorld | :D |
| 19:02.25 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i can't evean typ it :P |
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| 19:02.46 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i just use pastebinit that's the way is that easy for me to paste it |
| 19:02.48 | Wayny | jelly-home: according to thinkwiki, changing card's ID is less dangerous |
| 19:02.56 | Dulak | Wayny: there are laptops that check the ID of the minipci card? afaik they should be completely interchangable, that's the entire point of minipci |
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| 19:03.00 | jelly-home | Wayny: when possible |
| 19:03.32 | DelphiWorld | babilen: any program to use debian pb from shell ? |
| 19:03.34 | Wayny | jelly-home: one more advantage is that I can upgrade the BIOS as often as I want and don't have to hexedit it all the time |
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| 19:04.05 | Wayny | there are links on thinkwiki on how to changing a card's ID but they are not working |
| 19:04.10 | Dulak | Wayny: what brand laptop? I want to be sure never to buy their products |
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| 19:04.21 | Wayny | thinkpad t510 |
| 19:04.27 | Dulak | lenovo or ibm? |
| 19:04.32 | jelly-home | lenovo. |
| 19:04.39 | Wayny | Dulak: Lenovo, IBM did it before and HP does it |
| 19:05.00 | Dulak | That's good to know, I'll never buy those brands |
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| 19:05.11 | babilen | DelphiWorld: What does "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae" give you? -- You can use pastebinit. "foo | pastebinit" or "pastebinit FILE" |
| 19:05.16 | Dulak | Retarded beyond measure to close an open standard like that. |
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| 19:06.36 | Wayny | Dulak: I also would boycott them if I could; but what's the alternative? To me, all laptop manufacturers suck; one more than anothe |
| 19:07.00 | DelphiWorld | babilen: paste.debian.net ? |
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| 19:07.10 | babilen | DelphiWorld: sure |
| 19:07.26 | Gnewt | Is the "ssh" group strictly for the SSH process, or is it alright to use it in the AllowGroup directive and then add users to it? |
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| 19:07.32 | Dulak | Not all of them do stuff that retarded though. That's basically saying 'not only won't we support some other brand of card, we will make it so you can't even do it unsupported, so you have to pay us.' |
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| 19:08.11 | DelphiWorld | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/145410/ |
| 19:08.37 | babilen | DelphiWorld: what happens if you install that package directly? |
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| 19:09.00 | DelphiWorld | babilen: they complain about linux-base |
| 19:09.10 | DelphiWorld | and linux-base complain about perl api |
| 19:09.11 | DelphiWorld | and so on |
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| 19:10.16 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Show me -- also try installing linux-image-3.0.0-2-686-pae |
| 19:10.19 | somiaj | Gnewt: http://koeritz.org/docs/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html -- "ssh-agent is setgid to ssh in order to prevent ptrace attacks." is the descript they give the 'ssh' group |
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| 19:10.31 | DelphiWorld | babilen: not 3.1 so. would do now |
| 19:10.43 | Gnewt | somiaj: Okay, does that mean it's bad practice to add users to that group? |
| 19:10.52 | somiaj | Gnewt: I would say yes. |
| 19:10.54 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I also think that it is about time to tell you about #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is our channel for wheezy/sid support. |
| 19:10.56 | Gnewt | Thanks :) |
| 19:11.20 | DelphiWorld | babilen: good, thank you for that. |
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| 19:15.40 | DelphiWorld | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/145411/ |
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| 19:16.43 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I thought you already reverted the perl upgrade. Given the amount of time you spend on ths already I would recommend to restore your system from backups and don't do "dist-upgrades" for now. |
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| 19:17.03 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i didn't :( |
| 19:17.06 | babilen | (i.e. make sure you make the perl transition once it and you are ready for it) |
| 19:17.09 | DelphiWorld | babilen: what SHOULD i do ? |
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| 19:17.53 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Downgrade perl5.14 to 5.12 (*all* perl5.14 packages) and take it from there. It is probably much easier to restore from backups. |
| 19:18.21 | DelphiWorld | babilen: no backup for me :( |
| 19:19.40 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: reinstall? |
| 19:20.06 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: if you can help me getting serial output to install my debian would by glad. |
| 19:20.21 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Ok, then create a backup of you important data on the system now and reinstall. Or keep on working on the downgrade. I'd recommend to check your aptitude/apt-get/dpkg logs to figure out which packages you upgraded and manually downgrade them to the version in wheezy (or the previous one) -- Packages should be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and you can install them with dpkg -i -- And: You are running sid, you should know how to deal ... |
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| 19:20.27 | babilen | ... with this. |
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| 19:20.33 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: what's the hardware? |
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| 19:21.00 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: simple PC with intel E5800CPU |
| 19:21.05 | babilen | DelphiWorld: All in all: I strongly recommend to backup your system, install squeeze and use that. If you really really *have to* you might want to consider running wheezy. |
| 19:21.17 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: why do you need a serial console for a PC |
| 19:21.33 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: cause i don"'t have my eyes at all to set it up |
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| 19:21.52 | jelly-home | ha, that's an extra hw problem |
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| 19:22.10 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: i am blind |
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| 19:22.15 | jelly-home | yeah, got that |
| 19:22.22 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: and i can only set it up from windows |
| 19:22.35 | Devastator | sigh.. |
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| 19:23.09 | thisthat | all computers should have serial interfaces |
| 19:23.11 | jelly-home | I have not tried installing current debian via serial lately, and have only done that on sparc. |
| 19:23.23 | thisthat | what if you need to debug? |
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| 19:23.40 | DelphiWorld | very very sad :( |
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| 19:23.43 | thisthat | "oh but serial ports are old and noone uses them any more" |
| 19:23.43 | NickBelhomme | hi guys, I have a laptop and I want to use an external usb keyboard, but plug and play doesn'"t work. Do I have to run a command? |
| 19:23.45 | riccy | Ciao |
| 19:23.50 | riccy | !lista |
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| 19:24.08 | jelly-home | !tell riccy about list |
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| 19:24.31 | Woet | thisthat: and how does it help you to debug exactly? |
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| 19:25.02 | walle | good night, I'm goto sleep :-) |
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| 19:26.08 | Devastator | DelphiWorld: out of curiosity, how did you install debian in the first place: |
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| 19:26.23 | DelphiWorld | Devastator: my friend did it for me |
| 19:26.25 | Guest99133 | why can't i run screen as normal user ? |
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| 19:26.47 | somiaj | Guest99133: what error do you get when you try? |
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| 19:26.59 | Guest99133 | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 19:27.07 | Guest99133 | crw------- 1 root tty 136, 0 Nov 14 20:25 /dev/pts/0 |
| 19:27.32 | somiaj | Guest99133: are you trying to connect to another users screen? |
| 19:27.35 | Devastator | DelphiWorld: where's he now? |
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| 19:27.42 | Guest99133 | no, just "screen" |
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| 19:27.48 | DelphiWorld | Devastator: away... 500km away :( |
| 19:27.55 | jhutchins_lt | thisthat: Un, no, not all computers have serial interfaces. |
| 19:27.56 | Guest99133 | from a user i just added with useradd -m user |
| 19:28.04 | somiaj | Guest99133: 'screen' by default should create a new pts and give ownership of it to the user who created it. |
| 19:28.14 | jhutchins_lt | thisthat: In fact, most new ones don't. |
| 19:28.21 | Guest99133 | well, it don't do, somiaj |
| 19:28.26 | jbrks | Guest99133, you probably didn't set him up to groups he should be member of |
| 19:28.27 | thisthat | lots have headers on the motherboards |
| 19:28.42 | Guest99133 | jbrks, propably, how do i fix that ? |
| 19:28.49 | thisthat | you may have a serial interface and not even know it |
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| 19:29.17 | DelphiWorld | thisthat: true but migh by not exposed |
| 19:29.23 | jhutchins_lt | thisthat: I know this laptop does not, and I've seen many motherboards that don't. |
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| 19:29.53 | jhutchins_lt | thisthat: Apples haven't for quite a while. |
| 19:30.13 | arghx | jhutchins_lt: apples without usb? say it ain't so! |
| 19:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | arghx: Not usb, conventional serial. |
| 19:31.21 | jhutchins_lt | arghx: RS-232 |
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| 19:31.56 | DelphiWorld | so i would keep myself locked up :( |
| 19:32.26 | Devastator | DelphiWorld: did you saw him installing? |
| 19:32.39 | DelphiWorld | Devastator: i am blind, so how do i see ? |
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| 19:32.53 | DelphiWorld | Devastator: i used keyboard myself, he only read out for me |
| 19:32.54 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: well. at this point it might make more sense to switch to testing or a snapshort of sid from a couple days ago, and reinstall missing bits |
| 19:33.13 | DelphiWorld | ok so jelly-home let's go to testing. how ? |
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| 19:33.44 | babilen | DelphiWorld: So, work on the downgrade. I gave you some hints on how to do that earlier, or ask sombody to help you with the reinstall. I would love to magically make it work for you again, but you stormed into this and ignored the warning and it *is* work to revert it. |
| 19:33.45 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: replace instances of sid with testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:33.57 | Dulak | you don't want to do that, testing is broken more than sid usually |
| 19:34.08 | jelly-home | Dulak: yeah... not at this point, however |
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| 19:34.31 | Dulak | and testing stays broke for long periods |
| 19:34.37 | DelphiWorld | babilen: accepted happyly your work, don't wory ;) |
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| 19:35.17 | Guest99133 | how do i remove /dev/pts so the user can make a new one ? |
| 19:35.17 | jelly-home | Dulak: I full-upgraded my testing yesterday. |
| 19:36.13 | jelly-home | Dulak: restarted X, stuff did not break horribly. Hand picked some xorg bits from sid. |
| 19:36.24 | babilen | DelphiWorld: On idea would be to force a downgrade to testing/wheezy. It is not guaranteed to work either, but might be easier. The basic idea is to add testing sources to your sources.list and pin (cf. /msg dpkg pinning) testing to a priority >= 1001 and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" Make sure you have a kernel installed after that and that perl is down to 5.12 (that is one idea, not optimal, might break, yadda yadda) |
| 19:37.18 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You can follow either of those ways. I can't really tell you what the better option is, but sid is in a hairy state right now and you need to be cautious with what you are doing. |
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| 19:37.35 | DelphiWorld | :) |
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| 19:38.36 | jelly-home | "do not reboot or lose power at this point" |
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| 19:39.39 | jhutchins_lt | So besides amarok, what other KDE4 music managers are there? Clementine doesn't do streams. |
| 19:39.47 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: uh, yes it does. |
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| 19:40.37 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Well, maybe I should look again. I tried to import a playlist of streams and it didn't work. |
| 19:40.38 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I'm listening to a mp3 stream in Clementine as we speak |
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| 19:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Can you save the URL? |
| 19:41.04 | jelly-home | drag and dropping from Amarok playlist to Clementine worked |
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| 19:41.57 | babilen | DelphiWorld: The apt.conf in question would look like this: http://paste.debian.net/145418/ |
| 19:42.12 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Good luck |
| 19:42.14 | DelphiWorld | looking, babilen |
| 19:42.18 | DelphiWorld | thx babilen :P |
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| 19:42.40 | thewanderer1d | hmm |
| 19:42.41 | blubberdiblub | babilen, wouldn't that go into preferences instead of apt.conf? |
| 19:42.41 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: not from playlist, but Internet -> Your radio streams -> [right click] Add anotther stream |
| 19:43.01 | babilen | blubberdiblub: ARGH! Thanks for spotting that! |
| 19:43.10 | babilen | takes a break and gets coffee |
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| 19:43.23 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i don't have apt.conf, only apt.conf.d |
| 19:43.39 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, put what babilen pasted into /etc/apt/preferences not apt.conf |
| 19:43.40 | DelphiWorld | LOL blubberdiblub !: ! ! ! ! ! ! ! |
| 19:43.43 | babilen | DelphiWorld: you want /etc/apt/preferences (ta blubberdiblub) |
| 19:43.50 | DelphiWorld | hahaha |
| 19:43.51 | DelphiWorld | :) |
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| 19:44.04 | DelphiWorld | babilen: strangly today #debian is sleepy |
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| 19:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I guess the issue is that I can't import the list of streams from an m4u playlist. |
| 19:44.13 | DelphiWorld | and i can simply read the text using the tts |
| 19:44.20 | DelphiWorld | no much bus's today ! :) |
| 19:44.59 | Owner__ | m4u?? |
| 19:46.03 | jhutchins_lt | m3u |
| 19:46.07 | Owner__ | ah |
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| 19:46.21 | Owner__ | each line has a 'stream' as in a shoutcast or just an mp3 file |
| 19:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | Working with m4a video earlier. |
| 19:46.25 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: i create a file in preference.d right ? |
| 19:47.00 | jhutchins_lt | Right, I want to make a list of URLs that are streams and save that in the menu. |
| 19:47.23 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, i use only /etc/apt/preferences file directly here. not sure when they introduced the preferences.d directory. should work as well when you put a file there |
| 19:47.43 | Owner__ | jhutchins_lt, hmm i never had an issue with that...but i only have used XMMS |
| 19:48.38 | jordanm | blubberdiblub: in version 0.7.22 |
| 19:48.50 | GTRsdk | what program is DIsk Utility? |
| 19:49.28 | blubberdiblub | jordanm, was there a message in the news file regarding that? if so i must have missed it |
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| 19:49.34 | jhutchins_lt | clementine documentation is rather scant. |
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| 19:49.59 | jordanm | blubberdiblub: I happened to have the changelog open in another shell. its in the changelog |
| 19:50.05 | jelly-home | they have a channel on freenode, jhutchins_lt |
| 19:50.31 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: thx, was just looking for their support. |
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| 19:51.05 | arghx | GTRsdk: "disk utility" sounds like OSX, not debian |
| 19:51.06 | blubberdiblub | jordanm, i seldom read the changelogs, as there come so much stuff up when i upgrade my packages ;) i mainly pay attention to the "NEWS". |
| 19:51.07 | ikonia | GTRsdk: are you using ubuntu or debian |
| 19:51.52 | GTRsdk | ikonia, the package names should be universal, but I am using Debian |
| 19:52.06 | ikonia | GTRsdk: that's right, so that explains your issue |
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| 19:52.56 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: 56 nicks, no traffic. |
| 19:52.56 | DelphiWorld | jordanm: what filename extension should i use ? |
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| 19:53.29 | jordanm | DelphiWorld: no extension is needed. it should process all files in that directory |
| 19:53.31 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: oh noes! |
| 19:53.38 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, usually doesn't matter as long as you stick to letters, digits, dashes and underscores |
| 19:53.46 | DelphiWorld | :) |
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| 19:54.16 | blubberdiblub | and periods |
| 19:54.42 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: is updating |
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| 19:55.48 | kurkale6ka | Hello, is it possible to install vim version 6 instead of latest, using aptitude? |
| 19:56.22 | jordanm | ,versions vim-full |
| 19:56.24 | judd | Package: vim-full on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 |
| 19:56.50 | jordanm | ,versions vim |
| 19:56.52 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; wheezy: 2:7.3.333-1; sid: 2:7.3.346-1 |
| 19:56.53 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, you can check if the pinning worked as you wanted with "apt-cache policy". it should list the testing/wheezy repos with a 1001 in front |
| 19:57.06 | jordanm | kurkale6ka: why do you want such an old version? |
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| 19:57.17 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: worked allready:) |
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| 19:57.34 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, the downgrade? :) |
| 19:57.36 | CVirus | Why do I have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed although I have an nvidia card ? |
| 19:57.49 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: hopfully... downloading:) |
| 19:58.38 | kurkale6ka | jordanm: because I have it on servers at work and I need testing at home with my .vimrc |
| 19:59.56 | jordanm | CVirus: because xserver-xorg depends on xserver-video-all. I did the math recently xserver-video-all is 7MB of disk space |
| 20:00.30 | jordanm | CVirus: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-all | grep -Po '(Depends:)?\Kxserver.*?(?=,)' | while read -r package; do apt-cache show "$package"; done | awk '/Installed-Size/ { i += $2 } END { print i }' |
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| 20:01.03 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: i migh need you dear ok ? |
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| 20:02.23 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, sorry? i didn't understand |
| 20:02.47 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: in case if i get a ncurses menu you can remotely help me with it is that ok ? |
| 20:02.48 | deed02392 | how do I 'add to my classpath' in debian squeeze using the repos install of java? |
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| 20:03.25 | CVirus | jordanm: I don't care about space as much as I care about system consistency |
| 20:03.26 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, oh, sure. do you have problems with ncurses menus? |
| 20:03.42 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: yes, text to speech don't get it well :( |
| 20:03.51 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: that was caused my current issue ! |
| 20:03.51 | jordanm | CVirus: what do you mean by consistency? |
| 20:04.02 | Roland- | hello, got a question. is it posible to extend the / partition? with some bash script? not reboot and boot to gnuparted |
| 20:04.18 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, hmm, i see. you should probably consider adjusting your debconf frontend if you haven't done that already |
| 20:04.27 | Woet | Roland-: if it's not lvm, nope. |
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| 20:04.33 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: no, i would read about that :) |
| 20:04.34 | jordanm | Roland-: only if / is a LVM logical volume |
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| 20:04.47 | Roland- | Ok, lvm will be then. |
| 20:04.59 | CVirus | jordanm: forget it :-) |
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| 20:05.47 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, a "readline" frontend would be better suited for you. dialog and the other one use ncurses, if i'm not mistaken |
| 20:05.49 | jordanm | CVirus: I just can't imagine any negative impact aside from the 7MB of disk space with the benefit being X will still start even if you replace your video card |
| 20:06.07 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: true |
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| 20:07.02 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, "the other one" = "whiptail". but that uses slang, not ncurses. don't know if slang is better for your purposes. probably not |
| 20:07.13 | jelly-home | there's a text frontend as well |
| 20:07.29 | DelphiWorld | but is dialog or menu based |
| 20:07.31 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, yeah, the readline frontend i've mentioned |
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| 20:07.43 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: is text == readline? |
| 20:07.52 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, yup |
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| 20:09.06 | keith4 | did security.debian.org recently add an ipv6 record to the RR, or are my sudden failures of cron-apt due to something else? |
| 20:09.19 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, "dpkg-reconfigure -f frontend debconf". but i don't know how good an idea it is to do that while you have an upgrade running |
| 20:09.35 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, sorry, i meant "dpkg-reconfigure -f readline debconf" |
| 20:09.54 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: after upgrade or befaure upgrade ? |
| 20:10.10 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, before is better if you haven't got it running yet |
| 20:10.42 | jelly-home | keith4: those AAAA records have been there for a while |
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| 20:11.42 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, the command line i gave invokes the configuration for debconf using a readline interface. and in the config question itself you should choose readline as well, to set as default for you |
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| 20:12.03 | keith4 | jelly-home: weird. i have a few boxes that are suddenly trying to use the AAAA record (and failing, since they don't have v6 routes). maybe just RR-roulette |
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| 20:12.15 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: i chouse readline right ? |
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| 20:12.24 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, yup |
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| 20:12.49 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: Done:D |
| 20:12.52 | juju__ | hi guys |
| 20:12.53 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: let's hop! |
| 20:13.28 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, yeah :) that should give you configuration questions using screen-reader-compatible text in the future. at least in theory |
| 20:13.48 | DelphiWorld | haha blubberdiblub |
| 20:13.56 | DelphiWorld | guess if that work, give blubberdiblub a pizza |
| 20:13.59 | juju__ | just a noob question, how do we know which version of debian (stable, testing or unstable) are we using ? |
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| 20:14.20 | keith4 | juju__: take a look at /etc/debian_version |
| 20:14.35 | DelphiWorld | slaps keith4 around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:14.35 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, pizza would not be the best choice ;) unfortunately my stomach can't handle cheese |
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| 20:14.41 | DelphiWorld | keith4: you owe me the idea:) |
| 20:14.45 | juju__ | thx keith4 ;) |
| 20:14.50 | DelphiWorld | hahaha |
| 20:15.01 | DelphiWorld | where are you from blubberdiblub if is not a secret ? :) |
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| 20:15.15 | jelly-home | keith4: I blame Debian's reoslver for even trying to use those in absence of 'v6 internet routing |
| 20:15.17 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, i'm from Germany |
| 20:15.35 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: algeria |
| 20:15.35 | DelphiWorld | bl |
| 20:15.37 | abrotman | juju__: lsb_release -a |
| 20:15.46 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: and BTW, i love the germany mirror: |
| 20:15.49 | jelly-home | keith4: it's not RR roulette. A and AAAA roulettes are separate... |
| 20:16.16 | DelphiWorld | thank to abrotman for the new idea |
| 20:16.31 | abrotman | i didn't do it |
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| 20:16.59 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: you shooted it, so is same |
| 20:17.04 | DelphiWorld | abroi mean for lsb_release -a |
| 20:17.19 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:17.24 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i mean for lsb_release -a |
| 20:17.33 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, you mean the magazine? oh well, i don't read magazines ;) anyways, we should probably stay on topic or risk getting angry grumbles ;) |
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| 20:17.39 | Guest68224 | Salut à tous |
| 20:18.07 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: lol, what magasine you're talking about? i say i love the debian germany Mirror! :) |
| 20:18.26 | DelphiWorld | guess that blubberdiblub is having a beer made by torval :) |
| 20:18.30 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, ohhhh ... _that_ mirror. sorry *g* |
| 20:19.00 | DelphiWorld | :P |
| 20:19.11 | keith4 | jelly-home: excellent point. looks like the failed boxes both happen to be lenny, too... so maybe this isn't a problem in squeeze |
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| 20:19.45 | jelly-home | keith4: you can always /msg dpkg noipv6 |
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| 20:20.35 | keith4 | jelly-home: excellt suggestion. thanks |
| 20:20.53 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: i am still thinking what channel did we meet in... |
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| 20:22.47 | mark_u | hey everyone. how can i find out how long debian lenny will be supported for in terms of packages? |
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| 20:24.32 | coppermine | is there something I can use instead of the motion application to stream real time video from a usb webcam that would perform better frame rates? |
| 20:24.41 | coppermine | on a embedded arm debian computer, so no X11 |
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| 20:25.54 | DelphiWorld | love blubberdiblub |
| 20:25.58 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: thank you so much man! |
| 20:26.05 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: no much ncurses shit for me :P |
| 20:26.26 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, so it asks you plain text questions now? :) |
| 20:26.38 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: yes yes man :( :( :( :( :( |
| 20:26.41 | DelphiWorld | was looking for that! |
| 20:26.56 | blubberdiblub | very well :) i'm glad it worked |
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| 20:27.57 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: now, doing the last task |
| 20:28.08 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: dist-upgrading then i would get my kernel up |
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| 20:30.43 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, i hope it works out nicely. in case of package conflicts, i would have suggested the aptitude ncurses interface for manually resolving them, but since ncurses works so bad with screen readers, that's actually a bad idea ;) |
| 20:31.13 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: but anyway, readline is freacking awesome |
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| 20:31.55 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: would need to know also how to configure grub to boot my new kernel :) |
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| 20:32.33 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, what do you mean? you mean configuring for the screen reader? |
| 20:33.05 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: no, just what should i run if i do apt-get install linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae |
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| 20:33.44 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, if grub is installed, it should usually plug the kernel intro the grub menu automatically |
| 20:33.59 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, into, even |
| 20:34.08 | DelphiWorld | lol blubberdiblub... |
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| 20:34.47 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, you can check /boot/grub/menu.lst if you're using the old grub, or /boot/grub/grub.cfg if you're using grub 2, if the kernel has actually been put into the menu |
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| 20:35.15 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, or you can watch the installation process for the output of update-grub |
| 20:35.35 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: true, i am waiting for download to finish |
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| 20:37.13 | DelphiWorld | thank you a lot babilen for the idea, is comming through |
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| 20:39.36 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: ok, let's start our advanture! |
| 20:39.38 | DelphiWorld | sudo reboot |
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| 20:40.27 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, so you checked the kernel is in the menu file? |
| 20:40.38 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: yeah :) |
| 20:40.42 | blubberdiblub | good :) |
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| 20:41.27 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: cat /etc/debian-version give me wheezy/sid is that normal ? |
| 20:41.30 | DelphiWorld | isn't i'm on testing ? |
| 20:41.38 | blubberdiblub | that's normal |
| 20:41.45 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: awesome |
| 20:42.12 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: its a coincidence that testing is usable, its not made for usage |
| 20:42.29 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: that is why there is such artifacts like debian-version |
| 20:42.36 | DelphiWorld | :P |
| 20:42.44 | DelphiWorld | thank you valdyn for explaining |
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| 20:43.56 | jhutchins | valdyn: Good way of putting it. |
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| 20:46.19 | ws2k3 | Dulak do u mind if i write down ur e-mail adres? |
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| 20:46.26 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: now i can sleep well :) |
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| 20:46.40 | baskoning | Has anyone here any experience compiling from source? https://bitbucket.org/pierrejoye/gd-libgd/issue/9/how-to-install |
| 20:46.51 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, that's good :) if you're happy with your system, don't forget to remove the pinning file |
| 20:47.07 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: yeah ... thank you for that |
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| 20:47.48 | valdyn | baskoning: sorry, but you're offtopic |
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| 20:48.48 | valdyn | baskoning: but beside that gd is in debian, no need to compile it |
| 20:49.03 | e_ | okay let me try again: we have this server on squeeze that lost senseful cpu time values in procfs, it just doesnt increment anymore for current pids for more than days now. we've had it on a different machine before, but a reboot fixed that. up to until ten days ago (210 days uptime) it was fine (monitoring showed processes using cpu time), now it's not |
| 20:49.08 | e_ | has anyone seen something like this before? |
| 20:49.14 | DelphiWorld | valdyn: be saying GD... do you mean GNU debugger ? |
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| 20:49.34 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: no? |
| 20:49.47 | DelphiWorld | valdyn: so what's GD ? |
| 20:49.52 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: the gnu debugger is acronymed gdb |
| 20:49.59 | valdyn | DelphiWorld: a graphics library |
| 20:50.07 | DelphiWorld | valdyn: i know... just guessed about gd :) |
| 20:50.18 | DelphiWorld | ahhhh valdyn thank you |
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| 20:51.04 | antii | hi |
| 20:51.37 | antii | im running gnome with debian.. how come my fonts in chrome looks wierd after running "gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true"? |
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| 20:53.03 | Nillerz | hello. I have a support question! |
| 20:53.15 | Nillerz | I have googled it and I dont think I am understanding group permissions correctly. |
| 20:53.48 | Nillerz | I am running a debian machine without a GUI, and I want a group I just created to be able to access a sub-directory of /var/ |
| 20:53.55 | Nillerz | how exactly do I do that? |
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| 20:54.15 | valdyn | !wikifaq Nillerz Permissions |
| 20:54.15 | dpkg | Nillerz: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 20:54.47 | Nillerz | I did both. :c |
| 20:55.06 | Nillerz | nothing told me how to set that group up as the owner of a directory |
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| 20:56.30 | Nillerz | the man-page also was unhelpful |
| 20:56.57 | sh1ken | Anyone knows how to setup chrooted sftp but non-chrooted ssh with the same users? |
| 20:57.07 | blubberdiblub | Nillerz, "chgrp groupname /path/to/directory". but better think about what the directory in /var does and if it's really a good idea to change its owner. you might want to look at ACLs if you want the group the be able to access the directory in addition to the original group |
| 20:57.44 | Nillerz | So if I set it so my new group can access the directory, does that mean that root can't? |
| 20:57.52 | Nillerz | Unless I use an ACL? |
| 20:58.03 | valdyn | Nillerz: root always can |
| 20:58.14 | Nillerz | okay, then I should be good. |
| 20:58.19 | Nillerz | thanks |
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| 21:05.34 | LinuxNoob | Does anyone here have an iPhone working on Debian? |
| 21:06.18 | LinuxNoob | I have been following http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone but when I plug it into my ipod it shows up in ~/.gvfs/ as gphoto2 mount on usb%3A002,009 instead of iPhone of Someone |
| 21:06.38 | cantido | working means...? |
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| 21:06.52 | LinuxNoob | cantido: can connect and listen to music |
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| 21:07.26 | cantido | if it can work gtkpod should be able to do it |
| 21:08.41 | LinuxNoob | My iTouch won't show up on gtkpod but my iPod Nano will |
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| 21:09.03 | cantido | you use to have to jailbreak iphones to upload music etc |
| 21:09.24 | LinuxNoob | Mine is already jailbroken :) |
| 21:09.49 | cantido | install ssh and a player that doesnt rely on the stupid itunes database then.. |
| 21:10.07 | Owner__ | yeah get rid of all itunes |
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| 21:10.22 | LinuxNoob | All the file names are encrypted |
| 21:10.27 | LinuxNoob | kind of a bitch to find the music |
| 21:10.30 | rozie | it enemy of your freedom! |
| 21:10.40 | Owner__ | thats why you dont buy from apple... |
| 21:10.48 | deed02392 | how do I 'add to my classpath' in debian squeeze using the repos install of java? |
| 21:10.50 | LinuxNoob | I didn't buy it |
| 21:10.54 | LinuxNoob | brother did :D |
| 21:11.13 | Owner__ | once your music is in itunes it is pretty m uch unrecoverable |
| 21:11.22 | LinuxNoob | Okay I'll just use my nano |
| 21:11.27 | Owner__ | best to delete eerything and start from scratch |
| 21:11.30 | LinuxNoob | Or try running iTunes in VirtualBox |
| 21:11.39 | cantido | or install android on the iphone |
| 21:11.49 | LinuxNoob | cantido: I was going to do that |
| 21:11.58 | LinuxNoob | but I'm waiting for iDroid to update so I can dual boot it |
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| 21:17.26 | faroscope | how do i autostart dropbox on openbox? |
| 21:17.36 | faroscope | i cant find the daemon in wheezy |
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| 21:18.23 | faroscope | it runs fine in gnome-shell, but the daemon isn't where ubuntu puts it for instance |
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| 21:26.06 | DelphiWorld | Good night debianers |
| 21:26.17 | DelphiWorld | thank you aguin blubberdiblub and babilen |
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| 21:27.50 | DelphiWorld | and valdyn (forgoten :() |
| 21:27.58 | DelphiWorld | and *EVERYONE* |
| 21:27.59 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, you're welcome :) |
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| 21:28.11 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: i won forget this day |
| 21:28.19 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: my first #debian awesome day |
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| 21:29.45 | DelphiWorld | good debian night blubberdiblub :D |
| 21:30.07 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, good night to you as well :) |
| 21:30.26 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: my life is always night :) |
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| 21:30.49 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, um, yeah, but sleep well :) |
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| 21:30.57 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: LOL :) |
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| 21:31.18 | ws2k3 | Dulak can u tell me a little bit about the rate limit? |
| 21:31.23 | ws2k3 | what does the command exacly? |
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| 21:32.52 | Dulak | ws2k3: there is no 1 command for rate limiting, really. For now you should just drop those packets you don't want, but read up on how to rate limit things instead of just dropping them, so you don't kill legit traffic. |
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| 21:33.47 | DelphiWorld | soapie: soapee01 ? |
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| 21:34.40 | babilen | DelphiWorld: So it works now? Everyhting is fine again? |
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| 21:35.09 | DelphiWorld | babilen: byep... hell load of thanks goes to you dear |
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| 21:36.16 | DelphiWorld | and listening to tv through my dvb now |
| 21:36.21 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Yes! You are most welcome and I am happy that we could solve that problem. Make sure that you have a kernel installed, remove sid from your sources.list (or set the default release (/msg dpkg default release)) and the /etc/apt/preferences file you created. |
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| 21:36.24 | ws2k3 | Dulak i understand. |
| 21:36.28 | ws2k3 | u have the userspace working now |
| 21:36.38 | ws2k3 | in the maintime i have setup my virtual machine |
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| 21:37.01 | DelphiWorld | haha babilen all done, rebooted, and up / runing/ rocking |
| 21:37.02 | blubberdiblub | babilen, i guess DelphiWorld already did most of that ;) |
| 21:37.03 | DelphiWorld | love Debian. |
| 21:37.22 | ws2k3 | but if u dont mind i would like to try it with the userspace just a small test. but the most importante question now. how should i detect when somebody is sending me alot of those packets within a couple of secnds |
| 21:37.24 | DelphiWorld | babilen: and did you see what blubberdiblub did for me ? |
| 21:37.49 | ws2k3 | its not that i wanne block it compleetly i only wanne detect the high amound of attacks within a small time |
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| 21:39.32 | DelphiWorld | babilen: we killed ncurses and used readline better for screen readers |
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| 21:40.13 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Are you referring to the debconf interface? It is great and will surely ease your interaction with Debian. |
| 21:40.20 | DelphiWorld | babilen: yep |
| 21:40.31 | DelphiWorld | :) |
| 21:40.32 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Congrats again and have a good time :) |
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| 21:40.43 | DelphiWorld | you tooooooooooooooooooooooooo babilen :P |
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| 21:43.08 | Dulak | ws2k3: the first step is making sure those packets are being marked correctly |
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| 21:44.31 | Dulak | ws2k3: after you are sure every packet is being marked, then you set up a firewall rule that limits those packet types to only say 1 per second, or 1 ever 2 seconds, or whatever rate you decide is fair. |
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| 21:44.56 | DelphiWorld | babilen: but what's up today no much traffic here ? |
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| 21:48.30 | ws2k3 | dulak could u give me a link with a small sample |
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| 21:49.43 | Dulak | ws2k3: not really, google is much better at that kind of thing. I don't have anything specific to give you |
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| 21:51.49 | ws2k3 | Dulak well i searched googel already alot |
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| 21:52.04 | ws2k3 | for example how should i test if my packets are marked succesfully |
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| 21:54.37 | marekw2143 | what is "sid" in context of debian? |
| 21:54.42 | Dulak | ws2k3: I use wireshark to sniff packets and verify they have the mark directly, but that's hard to do on a server, there is a LOG table you can jump to in a firewall rule that should be good enough |
| 21:55.25 | EagleRock | !sid |
| 21:55.25 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 21:55.25 | illDecree | stupid question i hope someone will answer for me: i'm a long time ubuntu user, looking to switch to debian. is it really 8 DVD images to install debian? i can't get a definitive answer on why there are so much disks. i'm seeing this here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 21:55.25 | EagleRock | !unstable |
| 21:55.25 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 21:55.40 | Dulak | it's the unstable version |
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| 21:55.55 | marekw2143 | EagleRock: ? |
| 21:55.59 | zykotick9 | marekw2143, sid is the codename of the unstable branch (vs the others stable and testing) |
| 21:56.36 | marekw2143 | zykotick9: so "testing" is "frozen sid"? |
| 21:56.49 | karlpinc | illDecree: Debian contains a lot of software. We recommend you install using the netinstall image. It's less than 1 cd. |
| 21:57.07 | karlpinc | illDecree: Since you're new, see this factoid. |
| 21:57.15 | karlpinc | !tell illDecree about overview |
| 21:57.42 | karlpinc | illDecree: The place to go for answers is the install guide, available at debian.org. |
| 21:58.03 | zykotick9 | marekw2143, not exactly... "freeze" is a different matter. testing gets a lot of updates as well, just ask anyone running wheezy about the gnome3 change ;) |
| 21:58.22 | illDecree | karlpinc: thanks! |
| 21:58.45 | marekw2143 | zykotick9: generally what I want is to use pyjamas-desktop without any complicated installation |
| 21:58.46 | illDecree | karlpinc: that helps a lot! i'm going to give it a shot tonight |
| 21:58.56 | karlpinc | illDecree: laptop? |
| 21:59.06 | illDecree | karlpinc: yep |
| 21:59.15 | marekw2143 | zykotick9: but testing is more "stable" than unstable, righ? |
| 21:59.29 | zykotick9 | marekw2143, not sure what pyjamas-desktop is, but if you want things to work - use stable = squeeze right now. |
| 21:59.45 | karlpinc | illDecree: Be sure to check out the install guide regarding non-free firmware before trying to get wireless working. Or just ask here. |
| 21:59.54 | karlpinc | !tell marekw2143 about moving target |
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| 22:00.36 | illDecree | karlpinc: something tells me this is going to be every bit as difficult as i thought it would be lol |
| 22:00.47 | marekw2143 | karlpinc: hehe, thanks :) |
| 22:01.27 | karlpinc | illDecree: :) Not really, but we are entirely free (libre) by default so you need to flip switches to get non-free stuff. |
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| 22:05.49 | vacho | how do I kill a php cli process??? |
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| 22:06.14 | jordanm | kill <pid> |
| 22:06.37 | Zesturian | Hey, with netstat, is there a way I can view ONLY new incoming connections, not those made with HTTP requests within php scripts and the like? |
| 22:08.51 | valdyn | Zesturian: what about new incoming connections made with HTTP requiests within php scripts? |
| 22:10.14 | arghx | Zesturian: you want wireshark, tcpdump, etc. not netstat |
| 22:10.15 | Zesturian | valdyn, yeah, that's what I really need to filter, got a syn flood on a proxy script, so it's tricky to script something to find the legit ones |
| 22:10.37 | valdyn | Zesturian: actually i was trying to point out that your first request made no sense |
| 22:10.39 | Zesturian | then firewall the rest |
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| 22:10.57 | Zesturian | valdyn, and that benefits who? |
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| 22:11.08 | valdyn | Zesturian: you, if you correct it |
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| 22:11.50 | jordanm | Zesturian: I am going to take a guess that you really want mod_status |
| 22:12.40 | Zesturian | jordanm, that's not a bad idea to filter them out |
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| 22:13.56 | Steltek | Hello, does anyone know why I'm getting this for GTK apps? "Cannot import: pygtk |
| 22:13.56 | Steltek | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: gdk_pixbuf_format_get_type" |
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| 22:14.38 | Steltek | It only happens on one system, others are fine. I've tried reinstalling all kinds of python-gtk related packages but it just won't go away. Any ideas how to trace this to its root? |
| 22:14.40 | Zesturian | Thanks jordanm, I'll query against status page to see if IP address exists |
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| 22:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | Steltek: What release are you on? |
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| 22:34.50 | Steltek | testing/wheezy |
| 22:35.22 | somiaj | Steltek: have you checked the bts? |
| 22:35.29 | Steltek | Like I said, I have a similar system (same release) and can't reproduce the issue there. |
| 22:35.37 | Steltek | Yeah, went through Google as well. |
| 22:35.52 | Steltek | I guess a good question would be: If I know a symbol name, how can I find out which library provides it. |
| 22:36.02 | Steltek | (Since I have a working sys where that symbol is OK) |
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| 22:36.53 | arghx | strings in the lib directory and then grep for the symbol. or grep directly for it |
| 22:38.05 | Steltek | Right... working system and problem system show almost the same files. |
| 22:38.11 | Steltek | Binary file libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.2400.0 matches |
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| 22:38.16 | Steltek | Binary file libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.6 matches |
| 22:38.32 | Steltek | On the defective sys, the latter is: Binary file libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.7 matches |
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| 22:43.59 | Steltek | OK, tried upgrading libgtk2.0-0 from 2.24.7-1 to 2.24.8-1 on the defective system but it is no good. |
| 22:44.13 | Steltek | What could be the reason that the symbol is undefined? |
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| 22:44.48 | nander | http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny <- grammar error |
| 22:44.57 | nander | Removed: no support for Linux 2.4 |
| 22:45.04 | nander | Should be: Removed: support for Linux 2.4 |
| 22:46.39 | themill | nander: feel free to fix it yourself. That it's ancient history means that no-one else is likely to |
| 22:48.00 | jhutchins_lt | It'd be great if we could go through the docs and stamp a big red "deprecated" or "obsolete" on the ones that are still for Etch or Sarge. |
| 22:48.15 | nander | Didn't see the date of the article, but you're right: it is old ;) |
| 22:48.51 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I'm sure you can |
| 22:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | They need a mandatory date stamp, both for orignial creation and last update. |
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| 22:49.30 | asbokid | Hi guys, guyettes and _Dave123_ :-) |
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| 22:50.18 | themill | jhutchins_lt: umm... it's a wiki. It has datestamps. |
| 22:50.51 | jbrks | asbokid, girls don't have penises. It's rude to call girls guyettes |
| 22:51.07 | jbrks | (btw.. I'm not girl because i have a penis) |
| 22:51.07 | jbrks | lol |
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| 22:51.22 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:51.43 | Dulak | Are you familiar with the term White Knight? |
| 22:51.45 | jhutchins_lt | themill: How do you find it? View source? |
| 22:52.12 | themill | jhutchins_lt: it's in the page info |
| 22:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | Anatomy's pretty off-topic here. We're species agnostic. |
| 22:52.26 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: the pages all have history, and the history tells you when it was last modified |
| 22:52.39 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: he left |
| 22:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, last edited at the bottom. |
| 22:53.05 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you can see every single edit made. |
| 22:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | It says "Immutable page", I imagine that means that nander can't edit it. |
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| 22:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Ok, thanks for helping me find that. |
| 22:54.27 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you need to log in |
| 22:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | themill: For an immutable? |
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| 22:55.17 | jhutchins_lt | I searched desperately for a howto on something a while back. Finally found one, started in on it and it was great until I came to "This is due to be changed in Etch..." |
| 22:55.46 | asbokid | I have gotten hold of a new Dell XPS 501x laptop thanks to an insecure window at the rear of my local PC store. I would like to install Debian on it. Unfortunately, the laptop has got the problematic Realtek RTL8111/RTL8168B ethernet card (binary-only driver). I have gotten the non-free Realtek driver from deb packages but cannot work out how to get it on the machine.. The driver is on a USB flash stick, but the Debian installer s |
| 22:55.46 | asbokid | eems not to recognise the stick. So I copied the driver onto another hard drive partition.. but the version of mount in BusyBox doesn't recognise the partition.. "invalid device".. What should I do? I really want to install Debian, (and don't anyone but Ubuntu installed without a problem but I can't use that distro since I suffer from Shuttleworth Saturation Syndrome).. . Anyone still awake? How can I install Debian (Testing) pl |
| 22:55.47 | asbokid | ease?! |
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| 22:57.32 | dioz_ | hahaha |
| 22:57.39 | streuner | Shuttleworth Saturation Syndrome, wtf is that? :-) |
| 22:57.39 | dioz_ | my kind of guy |
| 22:57.51 | asbokid | streuner, it's a bit like diarrhoea but messier. |
| 22:57.54 | ompaul | dioz_: what taking laptops due to insecure windows ? |
| 22:58.05 | somiaj | so this is a stolen laptop? "thanks to an insceure window" |
| 22:58.07 | themill | tl;dr |
| 22:58.10 | dioz_ | no, coming into a irc channel flossin that you steal shit |
| 22:58.12 | dioz_ | lol |
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| 22:58.44 | somiaj | dioz_: freenode of all networks!! :D |
| 22:58.55 | dioz_ | i'd expect something like that on efnet maybe |
| 22:58.57 | dioz_ | but not here |
| 22:59.06 | streuner | asbokid: sounds like a firmware problem to me then (wild guess) |
| 22:59.31 | asbokid | somiaj, that was a joke! the machine is fully paid for! |
| 22:59.42 | robokop | asbokid: there is an unofficial nonfree installer |
| 22:59.58 | streuner | asbokid: i think, if you are able to install it on *bunt*, you should be able to install in Debian, its Linux after all.. |
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| 23:00.52 | dioz_ | i got a friend who always brings me laptops with bios passwords |
| 23:00.59 | asbokid | streuner, aha.. thank you :-) where could i find the unofficial nonfree installer? i've only got one blank CD left, so can't afford to screw up. |
| 23:01.03 | dioz_ | and asks if i know how to get rid of them |
| 23:01.38 | themill | dioz_: perhaps you looking for #defocus for idle chatter |
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| 23:02.08 | nander | dioz_ solder the bios to disconnect it and remount it using soldering, it's the only way ;) |
| 23:02.17 | nander | Though going to the police would be an alternative |
| 23:02.29 | nander | I mean: what weirdo loses his boot password |
| 23:02.34 | nander | multiple times |
| 23:02.49 | robokop | asbokid: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware <-- has a link to the unofficial nonfree netinst cd |
| 23:03.21 | asbokid | whehey.. thank you robokop :-) |
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| 23:04.55 | Steltek | OK... making progress here. The symbol I'm looking for is actually defined in libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so ... so it appears that one system is using that, and the other ignores it. |
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| 23:05.39 | asbokid | thanks robokop ! |
| 23:05.50 | Steltek | The money question now is: Why? |
| 23:05.52 | robokop | asbokid: np |
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| 23:07.18 | asbokid | another silly question... i tried to download the daily-build net install CD image using bit torrent (transmission and Vuze) but keep getting a "you are not authorised.." error message.. what does that mean? |
| 23:08.20 | streuner | there are no silly questions, there are only silly answers |
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| 23:08.57 | streuner | but, download daily-build isnt a good idea in most cases... |
| 23:09.04 | asbokid | it must be something I'm doing wrong, because i got the same error from the bit torrent tracker when i tried it a few days ago, and i'm sure i wouldn't be the only person to grumble about it |
| 23:09.47 | themill | I'd be surprised if anyone actually seeded the daily builds at all |
| 23:10.16 | streuner | or the officiall onces |
| 23:10.35 | streuner | so just download it from cdimage.d.o |
| 23:10.48 | asbokid | yeah, thanks streuner .. that's what i did |
| 23:11.11 | asbokid | okay dokey.. i will go and try the non-free unofficial netinst CD :-) thanks for all your help |
| 23:11.22 | streuner | good luck |
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| 23:30.41 | asbokid | hi again! I've booted from the unoffical netinst CD, and have found the deb containing the ethernet driver i need (realtek).. i guess it's just a kernel module, but how do i load it into the temporary filesystem.. i can't see dpkg on the install cd |
| 23:31.01 | asbokid | load* install |
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| 23:32.37 | robokop | asbokid: it should be in the installer, so it should be loaded or you should be able to modprobe it |
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| 23:37.01 | ws2k3 | dulak are u still there? |
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| 23:37.26 | Dulak | ws2k3: what's up? |
| 23:37.35 | ws2k3 | i have setup a test rule |
| 23:37.46 | ws2k3 | (it seems that l7-filter is already default in debian,..) |
| 23:38.20 | asbokid | thanks robokop. i can't seem to find it.. i have extracted the deb (with ar and tar) but there's no linux kernel module in it, just a lot of nasty blobs |
| 23:38.27 | ws2k3 | this was my test rule:iptables -t filter -A INPUT -m string --hex-string "|ffffffff676574737461747573|" --algo bm -p udp -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-ip-options --log-prefix "UDP DOS" |
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| 23:39.02 | Dulak | ws2k3: do you see the packets being logged? |
| 23:39.23 | ws2k3 | yeah |
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| 23:39.38 | ws2k3 | dulak arran-g is helping me out alot |
| 23:39.46 | ws2k3 | arran-g how should i remove the iptables rule |
| 23:39.49 | ws2k3 | i have hit iptables -t filter -L INPUT |
| 23:40.13 | ws2k3 | nervermind fixed. |
| 23:40.14 | robokop | asbokid: what are you exactly trying to do, it seemed i lost you somewhere i'm afraid |
| 23:40.34 | arran-g | ws2k3: you deleted it? |
| 23:40.34 | ws2k3 | dulak how should u advice we monitor if this happen alot within a short period of time |
| 23:40.37 | ws2k3 | eah |
| 23:40.45 | ws2k3 | arran-g can u see in the pcap file i send u |
| 23:40.53 | ws2k3 | howmany attack i recieve in howmany time? |
| 23:41.02 | ws2k3 | if there a timestamp in that file? |
| 23:41.53 | arran-g | ws2k3: that cap shows 2306 packets in 6.5secs |
| 23:42.13 | ws2k3 | rofl.. |
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| 23:42.16 | ws2k3 | thats alot |
| 23:42.21 | asbokid | hi robokop .. i'm trying to install debian testing on a Dell laptop which has binary-only ethernet driver (rtl8111/8168b).. i was kindly pointed towards the unofficial non-free netinst CD which is booted now. however, I still can't find the ethernet driver on the CD |
| 23:42.27 | pupuserD6 | not so many for a flood engine |
| 23:42.42 | ws2k3 | well i have a program to monitor my servers |
| 23:42.49 | Dulak | ws2k3: you can use the '-m limit --limit .3/s' option on a rule once the packets have been marked |
| 23:42.51 | ws2k3 | that is using the same packets/protocol |
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| 23:43.11 | ws2k3 | i know that client send one packets eatch second |
| 23:43.22 | Dulak | ws2k3: 1 rule marks the packet, another rule limits those marked packets to so many per second |
| 23:43.32 | arran-g | Dulak: yeh |
| 23:43.56 | ws2k3 | so what do u guys think is a nice limit? |
| 23:44.01 | ws2k3 | more then 50 per second? |
| 23:44.10 | pupuserD6 | 1 is too many |
| 23:44.10 | arran-g | ws2k3: you need to modify that rule I gave you to make it instead of logging it |
| 23:44.21 | arran-g | s/make/mark |
| 23:44.29 | ws2k3 | how u mean? |
| 23:44.51 | pumafyre | I'm wondering if there is a way to install Squeeze with an encrypted home directory. Or if there's a way to encrypt my current home directory |
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| 23:45.06 | ws2k3 | another question. can i not detect when a connection has send mroe then 200 packets in a row? |
| 23:45.11 | ws2k3 | without sending anything else? |
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| 23:45.31 | Dulak | ws2k3: you convert it from a logging rule to a mark rule, then you add another rule that applies to packets with that mark, and limit it |
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| 23:46.15 | robokop | asbokid: it should be in the installer in /lib/firmware already |
| 23:46.23 | Dulak | ws2k3: you can but the tracking will be serious overhead on the network, best to just mark them all and limit them globally |
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| 23:46.33 | pupuserD6 | pumafyre how encrypted ? you could encrypt all the files I suppose ? |
| 23:46.54 | ws2k3 | so which rule do i need to mark? |
| 23:47.04 | pumafyre | pupuserD6 ok. There's no way to just encrypt the directory, huh? |
| 23:47.12 | arran-g | ws2k3: I already said |
| 23:47.47 | pupuserD6 | pumafyre it should be password protected... thats as much as Ive seen in standard install... no expert here |
| 23:47.53 | ws2k3 | i guessed i missed it sorry |
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| 23:48.10 | Dulak | actually l7-filter should have marked it for you |
| 23:48.24 | ws2k3 | with this rule : iptables -t filter -A INPUT -m string --hex-string "|ffffffff676574737461747573|" --algo bm -p udp -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-ip-options --log-prefix "UDP DOS"? |
| 23:48.36 | asbokid | hi robokop .. there is a deb containing the firmware for the ethernet card in /cdrom/lib/firmware, but there's no kernel module in the deb.. i wonder how the installer loads it |
| 23:48.57 | arran-g | ws2k3: change the -j |
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| 23:49.14 | Dulak | ws2k3: -j MARK --set-mark 7 |
| 23:49.20 | robokop | most firmware is not in a module, but reside as a blob in /lib/firmware |
| 23:49.27 | Dulak | ws2k3: then you make a rule to catch all packets marked 7 |
| 23:49.40 | pupuserD6 | http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/enchome <-- pumafyre |
| 23:49.55 | asbokid | Robokop i can't seem to find any kernel modules for ethernet devices |
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| 23:50.21 | ws2k3 | dulak how u mean catch |
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| 23:51.07 | ws2k3 | just for the logic first i mark the packet |
| 23:51.18 | ws2k3 | then i should have a rule that makes the limit. |
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| 23:51.43 | blackshirt | asbokid; what your ethernet devices ? realtek ? |
| 23:51.43 | ws2k3 | if limit is reached then set ip in the DROP chain or ? |
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| 23:52.27 | riftman | hide |
| 23:52.34 | asbokid | hi blackshirt .. yeah lspci says "Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express GbE (rev 06) |
| 23:52.44 | pupuserD6 | pumafyre see that link ? |
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| 23:54.10 | Dulak | ws2k3: iptables -A INPUT -m mark --mark 7 -m limit --limit 3/s -j ACCEPT |
| 23:54.21 | Dulak | ws2k3: I think that's correct, I can't test it |
| 23:54.37 | ws2k3 | i shall give it a try |
| 23:54.43 | ws2k3 | but what does this do Exacly |
| 23:54.48 | arran-g | Dulak: is that with a default DROP policy? |
| 23:55.11 | Dulak | any packet marked 7 is limited to 3 per second |
| 23:55.12 | blackshirt | asbokid: i think, linux has a good support for realtek chip.. i have realtek LAN card too |
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| 23:56.03 | Dulak | arran-g: not sure honestly, I haven't done any of this stuff in years, I just went with INPUT because that's where he put the mark rule, myself I would use PREROUTING for everything |
| 23:56.09 | jhutchins_lt | The problem with realtek hardware is the hardware itself. |
| 23:57.01 | asbokid | jhutchin1_lt, hehe! that's great news :-) |
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| 23:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.17 | dpkg | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 23:57.18 | nkuttler | so far realtek has just worked for me. with non-free firmware blobs |
| 23:57.21 | Dulak | the newest realtek's went to a binary firmware driver and it sucks hard. |
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| 23:58.25 | jhutchins_lt | asbokid: I had to compile the 8268 driver in CentOS4 because it was _not_ backwards compatible with the 8169 driver, but that was a couple of years ago. |
| 23:58.36 | asbokid | i will say quietly that the ethernet appears to work fine in Ub*!#u |
| 23:58.55 | jhutchins_lt | asbokid: Then it should work in Debian. |
| 23:59.01 | Dulak | yeah they aren't free purist like debian though |
| 23:59.27 | asbokid | the debian non-free unofficial installer just says "no ethernet driver found" |
| 23:59.56 | Hydroxide | asbokid: it may be a version issue - ubuntu oneiric is based on a newer version of debian than debian's current stable release |