| 00:00.02 | Hydroxide | !kmuto |
| 00:00.02 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 00:00.11 | Hydroxide | asbokid: try following what dpkg just said ^^ |
| 00:00.33 | asbokid | i can't see where the ethernet drivers are stored.. i would expect to find r8168.ko or something similar on the CD somewhere, but i can't see it. (probably just blind) |
| 00:00.39 | Dulak | yeah but it's using the debian kernel, which by default won't have any firmware binary code, unlike ubuntu that doesn't care much about free/non-free |
| 00:00.40 | ws2k3 | arran-g what do u think i can do now? |
| 00:00.40 | Hydroxide | asbokid: it's inside one of the debs |
| 00:00.45 | Dulak | ws2k3: that working? |
| 00:00.45 | asbokid | thanks guys |
| 00:00.50 | poisonbit | Hi, I'm about 2 years without producing ".deb" of kernel.... is still make-kpkg the way to go ? |
| 00:00.58 | Hydroxide | Dulak: he said he's using the non-free unofficial cd image, which includes the firmware |
| 00:01.10 | Dulak | Hydroxide: ohhh |
| 00:01.13 | asbokid | hi Hydroxide ... the debs just contain a load of large blobs.. files with .BIN and .FW extensions |
| 00:01.16 | arran-g | ws2k3: where are you upto? |
| 00:01.17 | Dulak | Missed that bit |
| 00:01.18 | Hydroxide | Dulak: and the official installer has a documented (and working!) way to have the firmware available during the install process, and will just use them automatically |
| 00:01.26 | ws2k3 | dulak didnt testen |
| 00:01.40 | thewanderer1d | poisonbit, yeah, make-kpkg mantra still holds true |
| 00:01.48 | Hydroxide | asbokid: the firmware debs, yes. the actual kernel deb (linux-image-......) includes the .ko |
| 00:01.50 | asbokid | Hydroxide, thanks for info about versioning.. |
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| 00:02.17 | ws2k3 | i wanted to know what happens with the other packets? |
| 00:02.37 | Dulak | ws2k3: if they don't get marked, they never get to the rule that limits them |
| 00:02.41 | poisonbit | thanks thewanderer1d |
| 00:02.44 | Hydroxide | asbokid: although I think r8168.ko is the proprietary realtek driver that's only from realtek.com, not what linux distros (even ubuntu) ship. |
| 00:02.51 | Dulak | ws2k3: that's why you needed l7, to mark only the bad packets |
| 00:02.52 | ws2k3 | no no i understand the marking |
| 00:02.56 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 00:03.05 | ws2k3 | but with that rule i geved |
| 00:03.09 | ws2k3 | iptables -A INPUT -m mark --mark 7 -m limit --limit 3/s -j ACCEPT |
| 00:03.13 | ws2k3 | what happen when i hit that |
| 00:03.23 | ws2k3 | only packets with less then 3 per second are acepted? |
| 00:03.33 | asbokid | Hydroxide, according to lsmod in oneiric, it loaded r8169 |
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| 00:03.36 | Hydroxide | asbokid: I'd say try with the kmuto installer images and have the firmware debs on a usb stick during the install |
| 00:03.47 | arran-g | ws2k3: yes if they have been maeked 7 |
| 00:03.54 | asbokid | Hydroxide, the debian installer doesn't recognise the USB stick! |
| 00:04.00 | Dulak | ws2k3: yes, up too 3 packets that match the mark get accepted after that they get dropped until the next second |
| 00:04.02 | ws2k3 | yeah i understand |
| 00:04.07 | ws2k3 | what happens witht he other packets? |
| 00:04.09 | ws2k3 | drop? |
| 00:04.13 | Dulak | Yes |
| 00:04.28 | ws2k3 | aah ok and isnt it nessecery that i add those ip adresses to a ban list? |
| 00:04.35 | Hydroxide | asbokid: yeah r8169 may have added support for your chipset after squeeze's kernel, if it's especially recent, which is why I'm saying use the newer images |
| 00:04.45 | Supaplex | iptables doesn't support pants. it'll drop those too. ;) |
| 00:04.51 | Dulak | ws2k3: you can but ips change quick, packet contents don't |
| 00:04.55 | Hydroxide | asbokid: what do you mean it didn't recognize the usb stick? (I'm not arguing, just trying to understand what you mean) |
| 00:04.56 | asbokid | okay.. thanks Hydroxide ... so go with kmuto ? |
| 00:04.57 | arran-g | ws2k3: though remember whether dropped or accepeted they're still consuming bandwidth |
| 00:05.17 | Hydroxide | asbokid: yeah, use kmuto's image, and have the firmware tarball (which contains the debs) extracted in the root directory of a usb stick |
| 00:05.18 | arran-g | as well as cpu |
| 00:05.36 | ws2k3 | arran-g i understand that but than i'm sure they never can come back |
| 00:05.39 | ws2k3 | becuase i have banned the ip |
| 00:05.41 | ws2k3 | but maby ur right |
| 00:05.47 | asbokid | Hydroxide, the usb stack module is loaded, i insert the stick, but nothing is logged in syslog, there's no sign it's recognised. there's no lsusb so i can't see a way of checking |
| 00:05.59 | Tony | hey guys |
| 00:06.12 | asbokid | *there's no lsusb in the debian unofficial non-free installer |
| 00:06.13 | Dulak | ws2k3: I can get a new ip on my computer in under 5 minutes, banning by ip is not a good solution |
| 00:06.16 | Tony | I am using Debin 6, and I've just setup a database server |
| 00:06.18 | asbokid | anyway, i will try kmuto |
| 00:06.19 | arran-g | ws2k3: banning them just drops them when they reah you, they'll still consuming bandwidth |
| 00:06.28 | Hydroxide | asbokid: ok. well it's also possible that the kmuto images include the needed firmware - I'm not sure whether I'm reading it correctly, but it seems like kmuto includes ethernet (but not wifi) firmware |
| 00:06.34 | Tony | What is the best iptables front end to configure a firewall? |
| 00:06.47 | Hydroxide | asbokid: yeah, lsusb isn't on there for space reasons, but you can always look in /proc/bus/usb |
| 00:06.54 | thewanderer1d | !tell Tony about best |
| 00:06.59 | Hydroxide | asbokid: err, /dev/bus/usb |
| 00:07.07 | Hydroxide | asbokid: or various spots within /sys |
| 00:07.50 | ws2k3 | arran-g yeah i know |
| 00:07.53 | Tony | I don't want to configure iptables by hand, don't have the time to do so. Which front end do you guys recommend? Thank you. |
| 00:07.58 | ws2k3 | i added the rule but i dont see any difference now |
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| 00:08.10 | ws2k3 | but its late so servers are not very bizzy thats why |
| 00:08.26 | thewanderer1d | Tony, search the repository, see what suits you. popular options these days are Shorewall, Firestarter, ufw, and probably a few others which I don't know of. |
| 00:08.28 | ws2k3 | iptables -A INPUT -m mark --mark 7 -m limit --limit 3/s -j ACCEPT can i not let this rule log |
| 00:08.36 | ws2k3 | then i can verify if oure method worked |
| 00:08.55 | Supaplex | takes time to click click click too. I think you mean, you want something so easy, you won't have to learn the basics. |
| 00:08.56 | arran-g | ws2k3: you could yes |
| 00:09.05 | Tony | <thewanderer1d> this is on my server, so I would preffer something that uses ncurses |
| 00:09.16 | Dulak | ws2k3: change it to -j LOG |
| 00:09.35 | Hydroxide | asbokid: hopefully kmuto's images will work without this, if you want to maximize the chance that the usb stick will be recognized at the early stage in the install where it tries to find firmware, make sure it's FAT formatted (either in a partition or as the whole disk) and make sure that the firmware-*.deb files are in the root directory of the FAT filesystem |
| 00:09.38 | asbokid | thanks Hydroxide .. i'm not sure what to look for.. when the usb stick is inserted, nothing appears to indicate its presence |
| 00:09.41 | Dulak | ws2k3: then add another rule exactly the same that -j ACCEPT instead |
| 00:09.55 | pumafyre | oh thank you pupuserD6 |
| 00:10.06 | Dulak | ws2k3: mark rule, log marked packets rule, rate limit marked packets rule |
| 00:10.10 | Dulak | ws2k3: like that |
| 00:10.22 | Hydroxide | asbokid: if the usb stick matches what I just described, then just go ahead and try with kmuto and have it in the computer when you do the install. |
| 00:10.29 | Hydroxide | ("it" == the usb stick) |
| 00:10.46 | Hydroxide | asbokid: my guess is it won't be needed if you're installing via wired ethernet since I think kmuto includes firmware for that |
| 00:10.47 | ws2k3 | something like this -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-ip-options --log-prefix "UDP DOS" |
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| 00:11.09 | Dulak | ws2k3: whatever you like, that should be fine |
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| 00:11.58 | thewanderer1d | Tony, most firewalls just give you a bunch of config files to edit instead of a menu-driven interface. perhaps you could run a router with pfSense or something similar? |
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| 00:12.12 | thewanderer1d | (there was in fact some ncurses-based firewall tool, but I forgot) |
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| 00:12.25 | Dulak | Tony: ufw is not a gui but it is very simple to configure if you want something easy |
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| 00:13.48 | Tony | <Dulak> <thewanderer1d> on my database server I want to close all ports except for SSH (23) for the outside world. I will communicate with my database server thourgh an internal network. I can't use HW based firewall because it's a VPS |
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| 00:14.28 | Dulak | Tony: ssh is 22 but otherwise, sure |
| 00:14.49 | thewanderer1d | Tony, try ufw, it's well documented and easy to use (because it originates from Ubuntu) |
| 00:14.50 | Tony | Dulak I'm sorry, didn't get enough sleep last night:) |
| 00:15.16 | thewanderer1d | I use shorewall personally, but it's quite complex |
| 00:15.18 | Dulak | I use ufw on my workstations, it's easy |
| 00:15.21 | Tony | <thewanderer1d> nice, I like Ubuntu as much as Debian, my 2 favorite distros:) |
| 00:15.30 | Tony | thanks for all the help |
| 00:16.41 | ws2k3 | i think it works but not compleetly |
| 00:16.54 | ws2k3 | i still have 2 connecion ddoing mee but i see alot int he logfiles |
| 00:17.45 | Dulak | ws2k3: the packets still get you your machine, you can't stop that, but it should help on whatever services you are running, they won't be as degraded |
| 00:18.22 | ws2k3 | aah i understand i have this rule now: iptables -A INPUT -m mark --mark 7 -m limit --limit 3/s -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-ip-options --log-prefix "UDP DOS" |
| 00:18.33 | ws2k3 | so it only logs now |
| 00:19.08 | Dulak | you need 2 logs |
| 00:19.13 | Dulak | errr 2 rules |
| 00:19.24 | Dulak | 1 that logs, and one that limits |
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| 00:19.48 | Tony | Dulak can you point me in the right direction on how to setup clamav on Debian please? thank you. |
| 00:20.13 | ws2k3 | so i need to add this rule ? iptables -A INPUT -m mark --mark 7 -m limit --limit 3/s -j ACCEPT |
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| 00:21.07 | Dulak | Tony: I don't use that, sorry |
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| 00:21.15 | asbokid | Hydroxide, many thanks for your help :-) will download kmuto cd image and give it a spin |
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| 00:21.28 | Dulak | guess he added it |
| 00:21.42 | ws2k3 | damn irc crached |
| 00:22.04 | Tony | Dulak do you use postfix? I was wondering if you know a small php front end for managing virtual users, I don't have the time to write my own PHP script. |
| 00:23.05 | thewanderer1d | Tony, workaround.org -> see the tutorial on integrating your users with MySQL or something like that, then just keep them in a table |
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| 00:23.49 | Dulak | Tony: I do use postfix but there aren't really any easy ways to get virtual users working, it's a lot of work |
| 00:23.53 | Tony | <thewanderer1d> I've already setup postfix with dovecot, but it's annoying to log in over ssh to add another user |
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| 00:24.14 | Tony | Dulak I got virtual users to work, it's fairly easy |
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| 00:24.30 | Dulak | You won't say that when someone roots you through whatever bastardized php thing you end up using. |
| 00:24.41 | Hydroxide | asbokid: good luck. I'm heading away from the computer now, but others here can help you |
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| 00:24.51 | thewanderer1d | Tony, see the howto then, it explains how to link up those mail servers to a user database. or maybe you should just install ISPConfig which manages all that for you... |
| 00:25.04 | Dulak | Then you'll think back and wonder 'why the hell didn't I just use ssh??' |
| 00:25.14 | Tony | Dulak http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze |
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| 00:25.35 | ws2k3 | Dulak, Arran-g thanks for ur help i cant test it good now because its to silience on my server |
| 00:25.38 | Dulak | Tony: I've done it, but the gui web thing you want is gonna be a big fat hole |
| 00:25.47 | ws2k3 | i shall test it and i let u know how it went |
| 00:25.48 | Tony | Dulak I will write my own php. All it will be able to do is add users to the database |
| 00:26.20 | Tony | Dulak I hope it's not ISPConfig or Virtualmin cause I've been there, donne that |
| 00:26.26 | Tony | Dulak those suck |
| 00:26.54 | Dulak | Yes, that's why I said just use ssh |
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| 00:27.43 | Tony | Dulak my PHP script will log into mysql as the mail admin and run a query to add a user and password |
| 00:28.02 | Tony | Dulak that shouldn't be too hard, I just din't want to do the work |
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| 00:29.48 | Dulak | And when some guy in russia sits there and hits your form submission endpoint for 27 days until he gets just the right combo to remotely execute something, you are toast. That just happened to a client of mine. Not like I'm just being a douche. |
| 00:30.03 | asbokid | thanks Hydroxide .. I don't see any kmuto installer for wheezy though :-( |
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| 00:31.25 | Tony | <Dulak> there are plenty of those here in the good ild USA |
| 00:31.27 | Tony | old |
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| 00:32.29 | Dulak | My point was, you pay for laziness one way or the other. And they ain't cracking ssh encryption anytime soon. |
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| 00:41.23 | pupuserD6 | likes 6 0 3 |
| 00:41.37 | Tony | Dulak especially 4096 bit keys |
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| 00:43.09 | Tony | Dulak you're right. Now I'm learning how to use UFW |
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| 00:55.14 | iluminator101 | hi gnome system menu administration and the other item there is missing on wheezy? |
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| 00:58.55 | AR-Brad | Ugh, this read me file to my Wi-Fi card makes no sense at all =.= |
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| 01:00.44 | iluminator101 | will wheezy install gnome 3.2 by default i thought wheezy defaulted gnome 2.3 |
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| 01:21.26 | babilen | iluminator101: wheezy will release with gnome 3.? |
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| 01:23.01 | iluminator101 | babilen, thats horrible how can i set an option that will not upgrade gnome |
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| 01:25.26 | babilen | iluminator101: That is not an option. Gnome3 is still a work in progress and future releases will have more features, polish and plenty of bug fixes. That being said: it is quite nice and usable already (IMHO) and there are plenty of alternatives. |
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| 01:31.51 | iluminator101 | babilen, i love gnome 2.30 i tried gnome 3 did not like it at all. i have no problems with gnome 2.3 what so ever |
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| 01:34.31 | seeker7 | why is it such a pain to load jre 1.6 |
| 01:34.55 | seeker7 | i am using lenny |
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| 01:34.58 | simonlnu | this is a support channel, not a complaints taking channel |
| 01:35.22 | simonlnu | lenny? why lenny? |
| 01:35.32 | seeker7 | ok sorry how is the easiest way to load jre 1.6 |
| 01:35.59 | seeker7 | is there a way to upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
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| 01:36.34 | nkuttler | !tell seeker7 about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:37.50 | Dewi | seeker7: install sun-java6-jre |
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| 01:43.19 | karlpinc | illDecr/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 01:51.30 | atruno | hello. i am using intel hd2000 video card. my display resolution is not correct. it should be 1920x1080. i'm not sure how to fix this one i am new to debian and i've tried googling. |
| 01:51.41 | atruno | squeeze |
| 01:53.06 | babilen | atruno: That's sandybridge isn't it? If so: Install the .39 kernel + Xorg from backports. "/msg dpkg bdo" "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
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| 01:54.14 | atruno | thank you sir |
| 01:54.26 | atruno | and yes it is |
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| 02:13.44 | resno | im having an issue with kacpi notify going to 100% of cpu |
| 02:13.54 | resno | cant kill it. |
| 02:14.00 | resno | any way to disable this? |
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| 02:14.20 | simonlnu | kernel thread |
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| 02:14.51 | simonlnu | have acpid running? try restarting it. look at syslog to see what might have triggered it. |
| 02:15.16 | resno | can i dsiable acpid? |
| 02:15.46 | resno | i tried looking at /boot/grub/menu.. i think it was. but this doesnt exist in debian |
| 02:15.51 | simonlnu | just call stop on the init script. though it might not make much difference. won't hurt to try. |
| 02:16.09 | simonlnu | grub2 is /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 02:16.24 | simonlnu | and it's generated from stuff in /etc/default/grub |
| 02:17.19 | simonlnu | !ops taringa GNAA troll |
| 02:17.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: taringa GNAA troll |
| 02:17.46 | resno | the guide recommended /boot/grub/menu.lst simonlnu |
| 02:17.58 | simonlnu | for grub1 sure |
| 02:18.29 | resno | ok, im doing an update then ill check it out |
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| 02:18.54 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 02:20.51 | simonlnu | it /msged me the typical "are you tired..." cr*p. |
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| 02:21.30 | resno | simonlnu: is that common here? |
| 02:21.44 | resno | i dont hang round this chat often |
| 02:22.09 | simonlnu | no it isn't thankfully |
| 02:22.33 | simonlnu | but you'll get the occasional troll or other sort of disruptive person |
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| 02:23.10 | simonlnu | the gnaa people are some of the more persistent and hateful ones |
| 02:23.29 | resno | gnaa? |
| 02:23.44 | resno | never heard the acronymn before |
| 02:23.48 | resno | that* |
| 02:24.02 | simonlnu | google it, i'm not repeating that |
| 02:24.07 | Dewi | heh |
| 02:24.07 | resno | yep, i see it |
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| 02:24.24 | resno | first response that popped up :\ |
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| 02:26.34 | GinTonicool | hi all |
| 02:26.34 | GinTonicool | i can't sign in MSN,it show me "Your account has been temporarily blocked" |
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| 02:27.44 | Dewi | GinTonicool: you haven't said what program you're using |
| 02:27.52 | simonlnu | that can mean anything. could mean you need to update your client, or they did something. |
| 02:28.12 | Dewi | GinTonicool: was it working recently? |
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| 02:33.49 | lampe2 | hello |
| 02:33.54 | dhunter | Hello all. Checking out client yaaic for android |
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| 02:34.30 | dhunter | Not bad. :-) |
| 02:34.58 | atruno | there's one better and it isn't androchat. its $5 though |
| 02:35.03 | atruno | sorry for offtopic |
| 02:35.50 | GinTonicool | Dewi ,i'm using MSN,but i can't sign in |
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| 02:36.22 | walle | hi all |
| 02:36.28 | dhunter | Pretty happy with yaaic so far. Also free. |
| 02:36.39 | walle | what are you talk about? |
| 02:36.57 | pappe | wjup a du di dusli wu |
| 02:37.00 | GinTonicool | when i try to sign hotmail ,it shows that "Your account has been temporarily blocked Why are you seeing this? Someone may have used your account to send out a lot of junk messages or done something else that violates the Windows Live Terms of Service. What do you need to do? We'll send a verification code to your mobile phone. All you need is a phone that can receive text messages. After you enter the code, you can sign in. |
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| 02:40.25 | asbokid | Hi! I called in earlier, where I was given a lot of help (thank you :) in trying to get debian installed on a dell xps l502x laptop. i'm still trying! |
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| 02:41.38 | asbokid | is there some idiot-proof advice on making a bootable USB installer disk. The installer boots okay, but doesn't find the netinst.iso image that i put on the USB stick. Why is this? |
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| 02:42.16 | walle | asbokid: ? |
| 02:42.33 | asbokid | hi Walle. |
| 02:42.44 | walle | asbokid: what is idiot-proof mean? do you want a tool to build live usb? |
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| 02:42.58 | walle | asbokid: do you want to install OS from usb? |
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| 02:43.42 | asbokid | walle. basically i can't get the installer to recognise the ISO image that i put on the USB stick. I have left it named as it was downloaded |
| 02:44.19 | asbokid | walle, i want to install debian on the hard drive. there is already a partition waiting for it. currently ubuntu is installed but i'm tired of it. |
| 02:44.29 | walle | !tell asbokid netinst |
| 02:44.31 | asbokid | walle, i'm trying to install debian testing |
| 02:44.42 | walle | asbokid: .... |
| 02:45.19 | asbokid | walle, i have to use the non-free unofficial netinst because the ethernet driver in this dell laptop (rtl8189) is proprietary. |
| 02:45.20 | walle | asbokid: If you use windows now, you can use any tool to write you netinst iso file as hdd for hdd+ format to usb |
| 02:45.37 | walle | asbokid: then select boot from usb in bios. |
| 02:46.09 | asbokid | sure. i've got no problem writing the netinst.. i just followed the instructions for doing it in linux using zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdn |
| 02:46.36 | walle | asbokid: if you use non-official I don't know how to help you... You can try debian official netinst with firmware version. |
| 02:46.51 | asbokid | the usb stick boots fine.. but it doesn't find the netinst.iso image which is on the same stick |
| 02:47.12 | asbokid | ahh.. that sounds good walle.. how would i do that? |
| 02:47.16 | walle | asbokid: that may be work.. also, you can install debian official netinst version, after install basic system, then install firmware |
| 02:47.46 | walle | asbokid: yes, that not work for me also. |
| 02:48.21 | asbokid | hmm.. thanks Walle ! |
| 02:48.36 | walle | asbokid: I think you can try unetbootin, may be it work |
| 02:48.43 | asbokid | i'm just not sure how to merge the firmware binaries into the official netins |
| 02:48.54 | walle | asbokid: that easy |
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| 02:49.09 | asbokid | walle, it is?! |
| 02:50.08 | walle | asbokid: only download the firmware deb file for debian, please care about the dependence of every firmware deb file, then put them all in you usb. after basic system install complete, then use dpkg to install firmware package. |
| 02:50.25 | walle | asbokid: I think so, but you can try |
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| 02:50.44 | walle | asbokid: I use this method, work fine |
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| 02:51.27 | walle | asbokid: also, you can try 'debian netinst with firmware' from official release iso. |
| 02:51.49 | walle | asbokid: could you find the link? |
| 02:52.42 | asbokid | thanks walle ! i am looking at this page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:53.06 | walle | asbokid: yes, you can find there |
| 02:53.22 | walle | asbokid: wellcome :) |
| 02:53.31 | asbokid | so i got boot.img.gz and firmware.tar.gz and i need the netinst.iso from some where |
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| 02:54.23 | walle | asbokid: no |
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| 02:54.56 | walle | asbokid: you only need to download netinst iso and firmware packages. then use any tool to write iso to usb. |
| 02:55.08 | asbokid | i see.. thank you :-) |
| 02:55.31 | walle | asbokid: this way will do boot work for you, you need do nothing |
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| 02:55.44 | walle | asbokid: I also have try you method before, but failed may times. |
| 02:55.48 | walle | asbokid: I also have try you method before, but failed many times. |
| 02:56.05 | asbokid | thank you walle! i have wasted many CDs trying to burn images! |
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| 02:58.04 | asbokid | what is a good tool to make the iso bootable on a usb stick? |
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| 02:58.43 | walle | asbokid: :-) |
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| 02:58.48 | DanDare | asbokid, try unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 02:59.56 | asbokid | aha! that sounds good :-) thanks DanDare |
| 02:59.59 | walle | asbokid: on windows may utraiso, on GNU/Linux many be dd or other many, cross platform may be unetbootin |
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| 03:00.23 | walle | asbokid: unetbootin on windows work fine, on GNU/Linux I have not try :-) |
| 03:00.35 | asbokid | i'm on ubuntu but want to go to debian. i'm tied of mark shuttleworth ordering everyone to live by his rules! |
| 03:00.41 | asbokid | tied* = tired |
| 03:00.51 | walle | asbokid: ubuntu have unetbootin in source |
| 03:01.07 | asbokid | thanks walle. just d'loading it now :-) |
| 03:01.29 | nomasteryoda | Try mint debian |
| 03:01.44 | nomasteryoda | Is nice |
| 03:02.12 | walle | asbokid: please never say thanks to me :-) I know in heart, If you really thanks, please help others as much as you ability |
| 03:02.21 | asbokid | thank you walle! |
| 03:02.24 | walle | asbokid: that's all |
| 03:02.31 | urlin2u | asbokid, every distro has default desktops that is a ridiculous statement. |
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| 03:02.59 | dhunter | B |
| 03:03.37 | Hydroxide | asbokid: uh, even easier to make a debian iso usb-bootable, for squeeze or later: just dd it to the usb stick :) [will overwrite the old data] |
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| 03:04.25 | walle | urlin2u: I think ubuntu is not ridiculous all, some time it contribute to GNU/Linux spread |
| 03:04.45 | Hydroxide | walle: regardless it's off-topic here |
| 03:04.46 | asbokid | urlin2u, not just the desktop.. it's shuttleworth's attitude.. that you WILL like Unity.. and also the lack of contributions to the kernel, to debian, etc.. and the attempt to erase the very existence of debian from all Ubuntu propaganda.. so not that much to do with the desktop itself. i've been using ubuntu for several years (and debian on an sparc), and fedora before that |
| 03:05.08 | asbokid | anyway i will shut up! |
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| 03:05.14 | asbokid | thanks Hydroxide |
| 03:05.18 | dhunter | B |
| 03:05.45 | urlin2u | asbokid, that is a projection of hat you want to believe, i'm not defending ubuntu just broad statements that are full of faults. |
| 03:05.50 | urlin2u | what* |
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| 03:06.34 | walle | asbokid: If you use debian on PC for daily work, I think you should install testing |
| 03:06.36 | asbokid | hmm.. maybe.. maybe i've just grown tired of ubuntu. also i don't like its trend toward trying to sell me various services and products. |
| 03:06.55 | asbokid | okay walle. debian is for me! just got to install it. |
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| 03:07.20 | Hydroxide | asks everyone to move the pro-ubuntu and anti-ubuntu arguments elsewhere. we're here to give help with and answer questions about debian. asbokid wants to try debian. that's fine by #debian regardless of anything about ubuntu. |
| 03:07.40 | asbokid | i'm a bit caught up, on the one hand appreciating debian's attitude towards poor companies that won't release code, and ubuntu's care-free attitude towards binary only drivers tainting the kernel |
| 03:07.57 | walle | asbokid: Debian stable only suit server. It's too old to use as a desktop |
| 03:08.11 | Dulak | I use stable as a desktop |
| 03:08.13 | LV-426 | hello guys, I could use some help getting out of the gnome-shell hell I accidentally stepped into. I'd like my metacity wm back. tried the gconf approach mentioned on the wiki but no joy. |
| 03:08.18 | Hydroxide | walle: many people use debian stable just fine as a desktop |
| 03:08.19 | Dulak | I don't want gnome3 |
| 03:08.23 | Hydroxide | I did at my last job |
| 03:08.49 | asbokid | Hydroxide, so i can just dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc (my flash drive) ? |
| 03:08.53 | Hydroxide | I used mutt and openoffice.org (pre-libreoffice) from backports |
| 03:09.21 | walle | Hydroxide: I can't agree with you... debian stable is too old. but desktop need up to date software |
| 03:09.30 | Hydroxide | asbokid: yup :) http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
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| 03:09.59 | walle | Hydroxide: work fine is base, but more feature need by desktop PC |
| 03:10.17 | asbokid | aha.. i definitely remember it couldn't use to be done, so some clever fellows, or (fellowesses) have solved that :-) |
| 03:10.18 | walle | Dulak: ... g3 is great |
| 03:10.29 | Hydroxide | walle: try telling that to an office worker who applies system updates to their desktop and loses a day of work due to stuff breaking |
| 03:11.00 | Hydroxide | walle: anyway, testing is fine if you want it, but don't push it on people who don't know the downsides |
| 03:11.28 | Dulak | walle: I tried it, I will move to it once they have more stuff working, and improve the performance. I don't hate it, I just don't think it's good enough yet. |
| 03:11.55 | Hydroxide | which are real. also don't ignore the squeeze-backports and squeeze-updates repositories which make stable nicer for some uses |
| 03:12.08 | asbokid | is it true that dogs can hear flash memory being written to? |
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| 03:12.42 | walle | Hydroxide: yes, this is a sad thing, but install daily iso, then use testing apt source, update every week. I think this way have less problems :) |
| 03:12.49 | LV-426 | I'm running experimental & trying to remove it led into some nasty dependency loops, namely with libglib2 breaking gnome-session. I figured it would be easier to change the default window manager. |
| 03:12.51 | Dulak | yeah, and even if there isn't a backport you can always pull the sid src deb and backport it yourself. |
| 03:13.14 | walle | Hydroxide: stable only for server, which need 'stable' |
| 03:13.41 | Dulak | walle: but that's just your opinion, I use stable as a workstation and am very happy with it |
| 03:13.44 | DanDare | rule of thumb ? |
| 03:13.49 | walle | Dulak: yes, it only 3.0 |
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| 03:14.00 | walle | Dulak: it will have 3.1 3.2 3.3..... |
| 03:14.27 | DanDare | use testing if you want "headaches" |
| 03:14.49 | DanDare | and broken stuff here and there |
| 03:15.07 | Dulak | walle: you are welcome to run anything you like, but sweeping statements like 'stable is only for servers' are wrong. |
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| 03:15.11 | DanDare | testing doesnt mean "production" |
| 03:15.22 | walle | Dulak: do you do C++ develop on debian? if you do, the g++ version on stable debian is 4.4.5, but if you want to try c++11, you need testing debian with 4.6 |
| 03:15.53 | Dulak | walle: you can backport anything to stable, it's pretty easy. |
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| 03:16.20 | walle | DanDare: I think testing should be used on desktop PC, but server should use stable, sid just for people, which want to play debian or GNU/Linux |
| 03:16.32 | DanDare | ok |
| 03:17.11 | asbokid | okay, so i've written the netinst.iso image for 'wheezy' to the USB flash stick using dd.. walle explained that i need the firmware tarball.. so i guess i should mount the flash image onto the PC filesystem and copy the tarball into it? |
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| 03:17.48 | walle | Dulak: ... I don't want that :-) I only keep my system up to date. but before every update, I will see the package release log to see if it contain special feature I need, it not, I will not update it |
| 03:18.10 | somiaj | walle: I think testing is terrible desktop, most of what I've heard in here about testing is the next issue getting gnome to work. |
| 03:18.24 | Dulak | walle: you are missing the point, it's ok. Just stop telling people to use testing by default please. |
| 03:18.53 | DanDare | as first distro contact i would suggest stable, asbokid |
| 03:19.01 | walle | asbokid: the firmware is a gz compress package, you need to decompress it, them put all package in usb where you can find them |
| 03:19.09 | Hydroxide | walle: you're giving very bad advice for people who don't know what they're getting into. there are cases where testing is the right choice - if you are running one, great |
| 03:19.15 | Hydroxide | *if your case is one, great |
| 03:19.23 | asbokid | i'll be happy with testing :-) |
| 03:19.29 | DanDare | sure |
| 03:19.32 | Hydroxide | walle: testing is pretty much guaranteed to break occasionally |
| 03:19.40 | walle | asbokid: them install them after base system install complete |
| 03:19.41 | DanDare | you eill be happy anyway :D |
| 03:19.43 | Hydroxide | until very shortly before release |
| 03:20.00 | jbrks | asbokid, testing is good if you use reportbug, then wait several days for a fix.. then apt-get the newer update |
| 03:20.07 | Dulak | walle: you gotta give 'safe' advice, because when you tell someone to run testing and they don't know what they are doing and it breaks, who do you think they will blame? Not themselves. |
| 03:20.11 | walle | somiaj: so I think server should not use it... |
| 03:20.12 | Hydroxide | jbrks: that's a bit optimistic, speaking as a debian developer myself :) |
| 03:20.14 | jbrks | asbokid, if you can do this.. sure go ahead.. |
| 03:20.20 | asbokid | i promise i will be happy with testing! |
| 03:20.32 | DanDare | yeah, thats the point Dulak |
| 03:20.48 | Dulak | haha a couple days for a fix in testing? what color is the sky where you live? |
| 03:21.00 | jbrks | asbokid, thats no problem.. but you should expect to encounter bugs all the time.. but still somewhat have functionaility at the same time |
| 03:21.23 | Hydroxide | jbrks: roughly no fixes go into testing in a couple of days - a normal upload goes to unstable and takes 10 days to go into testing in the best case |
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| 03:21.35 | Hydroxide | jbrks: and often slower. there are cases where things happen faster, but not for routine bug fixes |
| 03:22.08 | asbokid | okay.. here's to give the netinst.iso a go |
| 03:22.18 | Dulak | g'luck |
| 03:22.30 | Hydroxide | asbokid: wait first ... regarding the firmware... did you put it on? |
| 03:22.45 | Hydroxide | asbokid: it may have made a second partition for you to put the debs on |
| 03:22.58 | Hydroxide | anyway, go ahead |
| 03:23.00 | Hydroxide | good luck! |
| 03:23.07 | DanDare | Talking about it: For how long Debian will keep security updates for Lenny? |
| 03:23.10 | walle | Dulak: yes, you are right, but It's only my personal idea... Testing really stable enough for desktop pc |
| 03:23.25 | Hydroxide | DanDare: until roughly next february, in line with the usual policy for oldstable |
| 03:23.59 | Hydroxide | walle: I have a friend who was using gnome 2 in testing, and most of his desktop environment just broke today. this is separate from whether he was going to stick with gnome 3 - he needed to do a lot of work to get it into a working state |
| 03:24.09 | Hydroxide | walle: and if he was more novice it wouldn't have been feasible |
| 03:24.14 | asbokid | nope only one partition on the flash drive.. hmm. so basically, the iso needs to be rebuilt with the firmware file in it, or else use a second flash stick |
| 03:24.20 | DanDare | Thanks. |
| 03:24.27 | Hydroxide | asbokid: no, you can just put it on the root of the flash drive fs, if there's room |
| 03:24.31 | Dulak | walle: that's great I understand, but you should not give advice to people that other people won't support here. If someone comes in here and asks, you say stable, because when they come back with a problem, anyone here can help with stable, but only a few are willing to help with testing or sid. |
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| 03:24.50 | walle | asbokid: testing may really have some problem, but if you stable, it too old, but if you don't care about software too old, please use stable, that's will less problems |
| 03:25.02 | DanDare | Im renting a VPS but they dont have squeeze support. I think I must start asking them for it |
| 03:25.21 | Dulak | they still on lenny? |
| 03:25.26 | DanDare | Yeah ... |
| 03:25.45 | Dulak | I upgraded a couple servers from lenny to squeeze with 0 issues, I was pleasantly surprised. |
| 03:25.56 | asbokid | walle.. i'm migrating from ubuntu 11.10 so debian stable would seem ancient |
| 03:26.05 | Hydroxide | walle: I think asbokid decided to go with testing, so stop focusing on him with that point ... but it's utterly dangerous advice for someone who is new to linux |
| 03:26.07 | Dulak | I was ready to open a ticket for fresh install but the upgrade went great. |
| 03:26.11 | DanDare | Dulak, dedicated ones right ? |
| 03:26.18 | Dulak | DanDare: yeah, not vps |
| 03:26.40 | Hydroxide | walle: except possibly right before a release after it has been frozen for a bit |
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| 03:27.12 | asbokid | i would miss too many things going to stable. it's no great issue since i've not really explored the 3.0 kernel in oneiric, but i see that wheezy is still using a late 2.6 |
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| 03:27.48 | Hydroxide | asbokid: wheezy will get the 3.0 in due time, and will undoubtedly release with 3.x of some kind |
| 03:28.06 | DanDare | Guys there are mainly CentOS. The Xen there runs CentOS. |
| 03:28.22 | DanDare | Someone have a cool suggestion for VPS's running Debian ? |
| 03:28.24 | walle | Dulak: Yes, it's right ! I only want people to know the diff between debian publish version. If the want use up to date software, but you only tell him to install stable version, is this him need? I only want them know which is best for them |
| 03:28.32 | Hydroxide | asbokid: did the netinst iso work? if you still haven't figured out how to make it notice firmware if needed, see http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
| 03:28.57 | Hydroxide | walle: the best advice to give someone who is new to debian and wants a desktop with up-to-date software is stable plus squeeze-backports |
| 03:29.13 | Hydroxide | walle: testing fails badly when it fails, and it could scare someone away from linux overall, not just debian |
| 03:29.32 | Hydroxide | walle: unless they already know enough to deal with that - it seems asbokid already does know enough since he's talking about different kernel versions and such |
| 03:29.44 | Hydroxide | walle: you probably do too, since you're talking about g++ and C++11 |
| 03:29.53 | Hydroxide | walle: but not most people who ask about using debian here |
| 03:30.16 | asbokid | hmm.. thanks Hydroxide .. i'm not sure how to go about this.. i've got the iso image and can mount it as a loop device on the hard drive. Then i could drop the firmware binaries into place. |
| 03:30.29 | Hydroxide | asbokid: no no, not the iso, just dd it to the usb |
| 03:30.38 | Hydroxide | asbokid: don't copy it as a file, just dd |
| 03:30.42 | walle | Hydroxide: yes, use stable with bp is a good chose also :-) |
| 03:30.44 | Hydroxide | asbokid: then mount the usb disk |
| 03:30.47 | asbokid | yeah i did that, but that creates a single partition on the usb |
| 03:31.02 | Dulak | asbokid: you can mount that partition and copy to it |
| 03:31.12 | Hydroxide | asbokid: if there's room on the usb, a single partition is fine |
| 03:31.27 | Hydroxide | asbokid: room on the usb for the firmware debs from the firmware.tar.gz/firmware.zip, or at least the ones you need |
| 03:31.33 | asbokid | root@u50si1:~# mount /dev/sdc /mnt/ |
| 03:31.33 | asbokid | mount: warning: /mnt/ seems to be mounted read-only. |
| 03:32.00 | Hydroxide | try mount -orw /dev/sdc /mnt - no idea why it's doing read-only |
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| 03:32.08 | Hydroxide | or just mount -oremount,rw /mnt |
| 03:32.08 | asbokid | root@u50si1:~# mount -t iso9660 -o rw /dev/sdc /mnt/ |
| 03:32.08 | asbokid | mount: warning: /mnt/ seems to be mounted read-only. |
| 03:33.03 | walle | Hydroxide: Yes, system cash make people sad, but do you know? after they install stable debian, see the default software of debian so old, if they want to use software, they need to update all of them by hand. this will make people think what? GNU/Linux is old for ancient? |
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| 03:33.30 | Hydroxide | asbokid: ok, simplest answer: use the mini.iso. I think that one makes a second partition, but you can see the various ways to do it at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 03:33.57 | walle | Hydroxide: talk c++11 only is a example :-) no other meaning |
| 03:34.06 | Hydroxide | walle: it shows your level of technical skill |
| 03:34.14 | Hydroxide | walle: which is necessary to use testing effectively at this point in the release cycle |
| 03:34.27 | Hydroxide | walle: by the way, prepare for some breakage when multiarch-enabled dpkg makes it there :) |
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| 03:35.41 | jbrks | Hydroxide, that multiarch announcement, what is the plan there? 1 iso holding multiarch? |
| 03:35.43 | Hydroxide | walle: anyway, I'm just telling you that it's counterproductive and will make everyone else's job in #debian harder and will hurt more users than it will help, but maybe not soon enough for you to notice |
| 03:36.04 | Hydroxide | walle: because testing works great for months at a time |
| 03:36.13 | Hydroxide | walle: and nobody here follows a single user's experience for months |
| 03:36.50 | Hydroxide | jbrks: not sure exactly |
| 03:36.58 | Dulak | You don't want to tell someone testing then they come back when you aren't here and expect help. THat's the bottom line, you screw them for follow up help. |
| 03:37.02 | jbrks | am currently reading http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/06/msg00002.html |
| 03:38.06 | jbrks | Dulak, either they smart sidsters or sissies.. |
| 03:38.50 | walle | Hydroxide: sorry :-( English is not my mathor language, so I can't write and read it fast... |
| 03:39.12 | Dulak | guess that makes me a curmudgeon then, cuz I'm rocking squeeze and happy about it. |
| 03:40.17 | asbokid | does the mini.iso go by another name? businesscard or some such? |
| 03:40.20 | walle | Hydroxide: Yes, chose made by users, but should let them know how many chose they have :-( that's all |
| 03:40.44 | pupuserD6 | jbrks question: would this multiarch thing have anything to do with multi-distro support in one release for instance ? |
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| 03:42.10 | Hydroxide | asbokid: OH! Stupid me. HERE's the easy answer: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=blob;f=build/util/geniso_hybrid_plus_firmware_partition (stupid only because I knew about it already) |
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| 03:42.23 | Hydroxide | asbokid: you can alternatively just add a second partition after the dd |
| 03:42.37 | Hydroxide | asbokid: since it should create a partition table on /dev/sdc |
| 03:42.55 | Hydroxide | asbokid: in fact, you might want to remove the usb stick and reinsert it and see if there is a partition table and /dev/sdc1 (and maybe /dev/sdc2) |
| 03:43.01 | asbokid | perfect.. thank you very much Hydroxide ! |
| 03:43.08 | asbokid | wtf isn't that in the installer pages? |
| 03:43.17 | jbrks | pupuserD6, well at this point in time.. you have at least 32-bit executable capability on a 64-bit bootup.. but what is announced is to have even more archicture binaries on the same filesystem.. i'm still reading this |
| 03:43.19 | sh1ken | so yeah, su stopped working. I'm almost lost at this point. |
| 03:43.48 | pupuserD6 | jbrks ah okey |
| 03:44.02 | asbokid | Hydroxide, just the one partition /dev/sdc1 which fdisk curiously reports as "Id 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS" |
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| 03:44.17 | sh1ken | seems like a pam_unix problem |
| 03:44.18 | pupuserD6 | "su" stopped working... oh no... dont tell anyone using ubuntu that :) |
| 03:44.20 | walle | Hydroxide: how long do you shutdown debian ? |
| 03:44.25 | Hydroxide | asbokid: right - so you can just use fdisk/parted/cfdisk/etc and mkfs.msdos / mkfs.vfat |
| 03:44.29 | Hydroxide | asbokid: to add a second partition |
| 03:44.40 | walle | Hydroxide: hm... only period of time? |
| 03:45.12 | sh1ken | walle: haha, I need it for using it with ssh. |
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| 03:45.50 | Hydroxide | walle: I don't understand your question, sorry. |
| 03:46.10 | pupuserD6 | sh1ken cant you switch to root instead of su-ing ? |
| 03:46.11 | Hydroxide | walle: are you asking me how to tell debian to shut down after a certain amount of waiting time? |
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| 03:46.16 | OldParr | por favor como hago para transferir un dominio de nick.ve ? |
| 03:46.24 | walle | sh1ken: ? |
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| 03:46.47 | asbokid | cheers, Hydroxide .. the installation routines and documentation definitely need some polishing |
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| 03:47.54 | walle | Hydroxide: My mather language is chinese... I mean the time between two shutdown? |
| 03:48.04 | asbokid | voila perfect :-) |
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| 03:48.34 | Hydroxide | asbokid: yup. I must say I am still quite pleased every time I see it handle firmware smoothly with just one enter keypress during the install |
| 03:48.45 | walle | asbokid: install success? |
| 03:48.48 | walle | asbokid: :-) |
| 03:48.54 | Hydroxide | including installing the debs and adding the necessary sources.list bits to allow for firmware updates |
| 03:49.47 | asbokid | nearly there (hopefully!) very late here (in england) .. 4am so making silly mistakes.. nearly added a partition to the wrong drive |
| 03:49.52 | Hydroxide | walle: right now the only machine I am personally responsible for administering is a laptop and some VPSes, and I do pay attention to security updates, so I reboot relatively often. for my laptop I probably shut it down once every 5-10 days; for the VPSes somewhat less often |
| 03:50.06 | Hydroxide | walle: I don't care about uptime as a stat |
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| 03:50.30 | Hydroxide | walle: at companies I've done sysadmin work for obviously the machines run for several months or longer |
| 03:50.33 | Hydroxide | without a reboot |
| 03:50.58 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to install updates and when i run apt-get update, i get the following: "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release". how do i fix this? |
| 03:51.10 | Dulak | I would fire an admin that advocated more than 30 days uptime on a server. Hell I did fire just such a guy last year, though he did a lot of messing up before I finally canned him, but the first sign was bragging about his boxes with 'years of uptime' |
| 03:51.11 | pupuserD6 | hmm... wonder how they do maintenance on running machines |
| 03:51.38 | walle | Hydroxide: you are system administrator? :-) |
| 03:51.42 | Ramen | hi |
| 03:52.12 | Hydroxide | Dulak: yeah. I don't advocate that particularly, but sometimes it's hard to avoid for business reasons. not a goal, though. security and kernel updates are important. |
| 03:52.29 | Hydroxide | walle: yes |
| 03:52.44 | walle | Hydroxide: fine, I only want to know that long time keep system alive weather will reduce machine life ? |
| 03:52.54 | Dulak | Also lotta hardware likes to fail at boot, so it's good to reboot regularly to catch it when you're prepared. |
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| 03:53.08 | Dulak | So I reboot servers every 30 days or less. |
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| 03:53.47 | Hydroxide | Dulak: right. the "when you're prepared" bit occurs less often than it should. if you don't have weird legacy things with broken init scripts from before you get there, and are okay with occasional downtime if failover breaks, etc., then sure that works. as I said, sometimes hard for business reasons, but good. |
| 03:54.22 | Ramen | I'm on wheezy... with catalyst 11.10. but when ever I exit a program in X. X would crash. any ideas? |
| 03:54.24 | Dulak | Hydroxide: I'm talking about my own company, I am not a cog in some wheel, what I say goes. |
| 03:54.25 | Hydroxide | walle: depends on your hardware, but if your hardware is built for server usage (e.g. not consumer-class hard drives), it should be able to run 24/7. this is not debian-specific, of course. |
| 03:54.29 | pupuserD6 | do you guys use debian on the business machines ? |
| 03:54.47 | DanDare | sure ! |
| 03:56.15 | tmi92 | any samba experts in here? I'm having issues of NT_Failure when I try to add a linux with samba to the Windows AD |
| 03:56.17 | pupuserD6 | wheezy is unstable ? would that be one bug still to be fixed |
| 03:56.24 | Hydroxide | Dulak: yeah, in a company where that works, that's great. the last company I was at full-time, the company's customers could and would use the production servers any time day or night, so we had to plan a downtime in advance, check with business users about whether they had any billing deadlines or emails scheduled, put up a maintenance notice, etc. |
| 03:56.31 | asbokid | perfect eth0 driver recognised! whoohoo! thank you very much guys. |
| 03:56.58 | Hydroxide | Dulak: at my last consulting client, the company's customers and office staff were both mostly M-F 9-5 so we could do things pretty freely off-hours |
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| 03:57.24 | Hydroxide | asbokid: great! out of curiosity, did it need firmware or not? (it would have prompted you if it did - for r8169 it depends on the exact chipset) |
| 03:57.40 | Hydroxide | asbokid: though it might have prompted you either way depending on how fine-grained the check is. I dunno. |
| 03:58.18 | Dulak | Hydroxide: that's still not that hard to get around though, n+1 redundancy and sensible load balancing and you can do reboots without customer facing downtime. I know what you mean though, but that's a bean-counter policy issue usually. |
| 03:58.30 | Hydroxide | walle: the main downside to keeping a server running 24/7 *without a reboot* is the lack of core security updates like in the kernel, again not specific to debian |
| 03:58.48 | Hydroxide | Dulak: right, but that assumes your infrastructure is at the level where that works both in theory and (most of the time) in practice |
| 03:58.49 | asbokid | yeah, it needed f/w for the realtek eth0 driver and some intel wlan driver (which i won't use anyway) |
| 03:59.06 | Hydroxide | Dulak: lots of companies have that as a goal but aren't there yet. good for you if yours is |
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| 03:59.18 | asbokid | it didn't prompt me for it, Hydroxide, it actually found it by itself.. |
| 03:59.35 | Hydroxide | asbokid: yeah, I meant prompt you to approve it |
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| 04:00.02 | Dulak | Hydroxide: I'm there. But back in the days when I had only 1 server I went far past the 30 day limit, so I can see it. |
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| 04:00.41 | asbokid | yeah, just a confirmation that i wanted to use that driver.. so it worked fine :-) thank you to for your help, and Walle too |
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| 04:01.07 | Hydroxide | asbokid: as I said, it's exciting how automatically it works to meet the real pragmatic needs of users, while still prioritizing freeness by default. I agree it works much more easily for people installing from CD + usb stick than via usb directly. probably computers without optical drives got a lot more common over the course of the squeeze development cycle instead of being that way already |
| 04:01.19 | Hydroxide | Dulak: yup. |
| 04:02.29 | jbrks | Hydroxide, you mean like android cellphones? |
| 04:03.05 | Hydroxide | jbrks: that's a whole separate kind of thing. no, I mean like ultralightweight laptops and netbooks |
| 04:03.43 | asbokid | wey hey.. and now it's offering me the choice of amd64 kernels, including... linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64... i'm impressed :-) |
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| 04:04.01 | Hydroxide | asbokid: :-) |
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| 04:04.31 | asbokid | gotta go for 3.0 :-) not sure who would choose "none" for kernel. |
| 04:04.40 | asbokid | bill gates, i guess |
| 04:04.56 | Dulak | gnu hurd users? |
| 04:05.00 | Dulak | heh |
| 04:05.07 | jbrks | Hydroxide, i think i want an indian tablet! |
| 04:05.16 | jbrks | that aakash looks cheap but good! |
| 04:05.17 | jbrks | heheheh |
| 04:05.18 | Hydroxide | jbrks: sounds cool indeed :) |
| 04:05.35 | jbrks | 30-50 bucks.. why the f not.. it'll last for 2-3 hours.. |
| 04:06.03 | Hydroxide | asbokid: mainly people who wanted to use some other kernel - e.g. in a linode VPS by default the kernel is outside the virtual environment, though they support using pv-grub and a kernel within the VPS |
| 04:06.36 | jbrks | what i dont get in the linux related world.. is this jump number for the kernel numbering.. Torvalds really wants to feel progress i guess.. |
| 04:07.16 | Hydroxide | jbrks: I think he wanted to simultaneously commemorate the 20th anniversary of linux and knock off one of the version number components |
| 04:07.18 | Hydroxide | both of which he did |
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| 04:10.05 | jbrks | oh that makes good sense |
| 04:10.37 | jbrks | in a very geeky way :) |
| 04:10.43 | Hydroxide | nods :) |
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| 04:11.07 | jbrks | btw DEnnis Ritchie died.. and some fold on a mailing list was suggesting a no-compilation day to commemorate his passing |
| 04:11.14 | jbrks | dam |
| 04:11.20 | jbrks | ,/some folk.. hahahaa |
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| 04:11.39 | jbrks | Dennis ritchie, one of the makers of the C language |
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| 04:12.24 | jbrks | it's hard not to hear of a person passing.. too much information pops on my news pages |
| 04:12.33 | jbrks | but tux and linux is forever.. |
| 04:12.35 | jbrks | !! |
| 04:12.35 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 04:13.03 | asbokid | that's very sad. how old was he, jbrks ? |
| 04:13.12 | jbrks | in his 70's.. |
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| 04:13.32 | jbrks | and C is still like the best language |
| 04:13.50 | asbokid | just made 70, according to wonkypedia |
| 04:14.16 | jbrks | asbokid, sed me boy |
| 04:14.17 | trifler | wonky donkey di |
| 04:15.03 | asbokid | that's no so old. the wikipedia article reports that he was "found dead". is someone trying to imply foul play or something? |
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| 04:15.42 | asbokid | i might grow a beard out of respect |
| 04:15.59 | trifler | They wanted to run seg faulted but that was a bit to much. |
| 04:16.06 | trifler | s/run/say/ |
| 04:16.49 | asbokid | heck he died over a month ago.. why the slow news report? |
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| 04:17.29 | jbrks | asbokid, because steve jobs stole the news.. what can i say.. he was a good silicon valley pirate.. |
| 04:17.55 | trifler | Steve who? |
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| 04:18.53 | trifler | I say like Forest Gump, it was some kind of fruit company. |
| 04:19.05 | mattalexx | Is there a command line tool that will enable non-free sources in apt? |
| 04:19.45 | Hydroxide | mattalexx: no, but your favorite editor can do it. possibly also the graphical software-center program (debian's version) but I'm not sure |
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| 04:20.06 | asbokid | jbrks, that's a good point! |
| 04:20.10 | mattalexx | Hydroxide, I'm looking for something I can include in an automatic deployment script |
| 04:20.18 | Hydroxide | mattalexx: in that case, use sed |
| 04:21.03 | jbrks | asbokid, i think r.stallman is bigger than s.jobs.. and smarter too.. I hope stallman lives for long long time.. |
| 04:21.14 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to install updates but when i run apt-get update, i get the following: "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release". how do i fix this? |
| 04:21.24 | jbrks | asbokid, he may be fat big.. but he has a pretty good conscious about software |
| 04:21.36 | Hydroxide | mattalexx: something like sed -i -e '/squeeze main$/s/main$/main contrib non-free/' /etc/apt/sources.list (adapt to your situation, and possibly your sed's capabilities if you're using busybox or otherwise non-GNU sed) |
| 04:22.01 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: sounds like that mirror might be out of date. try a different mirror |
| 04:22.09 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: there's a reason why they have expiration dates :) |
| 04:23.05 | jbrks | I wish my life had an expirate date.. then i'd know how well i should plan my funeral |
| 04:23.46 | jbrks | right now i feel like /dev/random |
| 04:24.06 | jbrks | lol |
| 04:24.30 | jbrks | is fighting with documentation devils -- he must rtfm more |
| 04:24.47 | mattalexx | Hydroxide, Thanks |
| 04:24.54 | Hydroxide | mattalexx: good luck |
| 04:25.47 | paranoidphreak | Hydroxide: i tried choosing a different mirror in "Software Sources" but i get the following error when trying to select a different mirror: Zhe repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is |
| 04:25.47 | paranoidphreak | correct.", "Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 1d 2h 0min 37s)" |
| 04:26.30 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: I'm not sure what user interface you're using - can you tell me? is this synaptic or what? |
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| 04:27.19 | paranoidphreak | Hydroxide: gui |
| 04:27.31 | paranoidphreak | Hydroxide: synaptic |
| 04:28.15 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: ok. I'm not sure how to make the needed change in synaptic, but I can tell you another way. quit synaptic, open up a terminal (gnome terminal will do if you're in gnome), and type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:28.36 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: err, actually, do gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:28.47 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: that'll prompt you for a password (probably your root password) |
| 04:29.33 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: and then you will have the relevant configuration file open. change all occurrences of ftp3.nrc.ca tp ftp.ca.debian.org, save, and quit |
| 04:29.46 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: err, change all occurrences of ftp3.nrc.ca *to* ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 04:30.01 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: after that, feel free to start synaptic again and have it update its package list |
| 04:30.22 | Hydroxide | paranoidphreak: that will still point you to a mirror in the same country as the one you were using, but it probably will go to a more current one |
| 04:32.46 | paranoidphreak | Hydroxide: thanks |
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| 04:34.12 | Hydroxide | good luck. |
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| 06:06.40 | atruno | is there a way to install thunderbird 7.0 in squeeze stable ? |
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| 06:08.35 | technologov | maybe 'debian-backports' have it |
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| 06:12.09 | babilen | http://mozilla.debian.net (5.0) |
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| 06:24.04 | tehrabbitt_ | hey, just installed debian wheezy on my father's laptop... I'm trying to set it up so it's easy for him to use... I noticed shutdown option / restart option are hidden in gnome desktop 3.... is there an easy way to bring them back? :-\ |
| 06:24.26 | tehrabbitt_ | other than that, is there a way to actually add icons to the desktop or is that pointless |
| 06:25.34 | urlin2u | tehrabbitt_, hold down the alt key when you click shutdown icon |
| 06:26.06 | tehrabbitt_ | urlin2u: I know this, but trying to explain this to someone who doesn't know what the alt key is, he just knows where to "click' |
| 06:27.30 | flamingspinach | probably a silly question, but is there a way to scp stuff backwards through an already open SSH connection? |
| 06:27.37 | tehrabbitt_ | reason I got him using debian instead of windows vista, is because he picked up my laptop today without me knowing, started checkign his email, did everythign he had to do, and then was all like "omg your computer is so fast, and it seems newer than mine... is it a mac? why is the bar on top/ I like how the icons appear from the left side... etc etc" I asked him if he liked it / etc and he was just like "well it's easier to use!" |
| 06:27.55 | tehrabbitt_ | only thing that is going to be a problem, is explaning WHY he needs to hold ALT down |
| 06:28.05 | tehrabbitt_ | I was hoping there was a way to set shutdown as the default |
| 06:28.18 | dioz_ | advised subscriber to read the manuals provided with their hardware/software |
| 06:29.32 | Dewi | tehrabbitt_: does power button not do what you need? |
| 06:29.35 | tehrabbitt_ | the other question, how do I do that apt-get build dependencies etc again? |
| 06:29.44 | tehrabbitt_ | Dewi: power button puts computer into standby |
| 06:29.52 | tehrabbitt_ | Dewi: shutting laptop lid puts computer into standby |
| 06:30.18 | tehrabbitt_ | i'm pretty sure power button does |
| 06:30.19 | Dewi | tehrabbitt_: that might be easier to change than elements of the gnome UI |
| 06:30.20 | tehrabbitt_ | i should try it lol |
| 06:30.23 | tehrabbitt_ | hm true |
| 06:30.31 | DanDare | tehrabbitt_, you can program what power button does or what lid does |
| 06:30.40 | tehrabbitt_ | ah found it ;-D |
| 06:31.12 | tehrabbitt_ | so how do i do the build dependencies its the only thing i'm stuck with |
| 06:31.43 | tehrabbitt_ | I want to install the latest version of pidgin for him, but I know when I did it on my laptop the other day, I had to do some sort of apt-get build dep orsomething |
| 06:31.59 | tehrabbitt_ | so the dependencies were there for make / make install |
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| 06:32.36 | DanDare | tehrabbitt_, this http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/undo-apt-get-build-dep-remove-build.html ? |
| 06:32.44 | tehrabbitt_ | YES thats it |
| 06:32.47 | tehrabbitt_ | thank you |
| 06:33.23 | DanDare | Thanks google |
| 06:33.32 | tehrabbitt_ | heh :-\ lol |
| 06:33.37 | DanDare | :) |
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| 06:34.40 | tehrabbitt_ | once pidgin is installed, I've just gotta get wifi working on here, and he's got a fully functional laptop :-D lol... i'm acually suprised he likes it... normally he doesn't like "change"... then again, he switched from having a blackberry to an android and he loves it :-| lol |
| 06:36.01 | pappe | there is a possibility to block incoming traffic? the ip was already blocked by iptables |
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| 06:36.46 | pappe | however, the attacking ip will still create the 200mb/hour |
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| 06:37.38 | pappe | my server does not respond on it, but I would like to block the ip so that I have no incoming traffic |
| 06:37.54 | pappe | is that possible? |
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| 06:40.55 | factor | Anyone having problems compiling stuff and getting UID errors with libSM6 /usr/lib/libSM.so.6: undefined reference to `uuid_unparse_lower@UUID_1.0' |
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| 06:41.57 | factor | using debian stable. |
| 06:42.44 | factor | it ends up being a link error |
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| 06:45.37 | tehrabbitt_ | awesome, keyring password thing popped up.. and it's warning me about storing passwords unencrypted, and neither button works |
| 06:45.42 | tehrabbitt_ | so the window is stuck on the screen |
| 06:45.43 | tehrabbitt_ | :-\ |
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| 06:58.33 | factor | Do I need to recompile libSM |
| 06:58.44 | factor | and where is libSM source located |
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| 07:02.35 | arghx | factor: if you have the deb-src line in your sources.list: apt-get source libSM (if such a package exists) |
| 07:02.52 | factor | libSM6 is the package |
| 07:03.15 | arghx | then apt-get source libSM6 |
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| 07:03.36 | arghx | ,info libSM6 |
| 07:03.38 | judd | No package named 'libSM6' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 07:03.41 | factor | ok |
| 07:03.54 | arghx | but it seems it's no debian package. so you should ask whoever gave you that library |
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| 07:04.26 | factor | okyes it is a debian lib |
| 07:04.31 | factor | it got it |
| 07:05.30 | factor | whre does it put the src files? |
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| 07:05.47 | arghx | in your current directory |
| 07:06.04 | factor | ok thanks i changed dir |
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| 07:08.28 | factor | /usr/lib/libSM.so.6: undefined reference to `uuid_unparse_lower@UUID_1.0' |
| 07:08.41 | factor | still get this error do I need to recompile libuuid as well |
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| 07:15.30 | blackshirt | how to use 32 bit printer driver on 64 bit system |
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| 07:19.14 | factor | should I just upgrade to testing. |
| 07:19.27 | factor | looks like uuid lib is form utils-linux |
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| 07:19.34 | factor | if I where needing to upgrade this. |
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| 07:22.07 | holsta | How do I disable IPv6 in Debian 6.0? Google says 'alias ipv6 off' in a modprobe.d/ file, but my box continues doing DNS lookups over IPv6. |
| 07:23.14 | holsta | (Even after rebooting.) |
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| 07:24.18 | factor | yes i had to do that to get java to work |
| 07:24.25 | factor | java is stuck on ipv4 or something |
| 07:24.30 | factor | really sucks |
| 07:24.49 | holsta | factor: How did you disable it? |
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| 07:25.06 | factor | modprobe bind file and restart networks |
| 07:25.41 | holsta | As in 'modprobe bind 00local.conf'? |
| 07:26.23 | factor | been a while cant remember. |
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| 07:28.44 | ompaul | lenny or squeeze on lenny /etc/init.d/bind restart ; /etc/init.d/networking restart on squeeze service bind restart ; service networking restart |
| 07:29.18 | ompaul | modprobe is for kernel modules if you installed one you run it, to test that it all works a reboot is actually needed to know |
| 07:29.19 | blackshirt | how to use 32 bit printer driver on debian 64 bit |
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| 07:29.32 | ompaul | blackshirt: you use cups and it works |
| 07:29.39 | hid3 | Good morning everyone. Is there any way to see disk utilization by device or channel? `dstat' seems to display only disk utilization in general... |
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| 07:30.12 | ompaul | blackshirt: what printer? |
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| 07:30.36 | holsta | ompaul: bind isn't running, clients like telnet/curl try to do IPv6 lookups first. |
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| 07:31.08 | ompaul | yes and why is that a problem? |
| 07:31.14 | blackshirt | ompaul: canon ip1880 .. i think canon doesn't provide 64 bit version |
| 07:31.29 | holsta | ompaul: because all DNS lookups take 5 seconds then. |
| 07:31.40 | ompaul | blackshirt: install cups then localhost:631 and have a look there |
| 07:31.54 | Guest46588 | hello! is it possible to boot a machine with pxe over internet or something? I want to install debian to a machine with no dvd, unable to boot from usb, and dont think I have any floppies around |
| 07:32.00 | ompaul | holsta: so really you want to either enable ipv6 or disable it |
| 07:32.08 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.33 | Guest46588 | pxe is not going to work I now but any ideas on what I could do? |
| 07:32.40 | holsta | ompaul: Indeed, I asked how to disable IPv6. The methods described in wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 do not work. |
| 07:33.08 | ompaul | !noipv6 |
| 07:33.08 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 07:33.55 | Guest46588 | oh, what about chroot? I could chroot to that system |
| 07:34.01 | Guest46588 | ~chrootinstall |
| 07:34.08 | Guest46588 | chrootinstall! |
| 07:34.20 | holsta | ompaul: thanks, is 6.0 aka lenny or squeeze? |
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| 07:34.30 | Guest46588 | slaps irc autocorrect |
| 07:34.37 | ompaul | Guest46588: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system |
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| 07:34.56 | ompaul | holsta: no aka it is 6.0 squeeze ;-) |
| 07:35.50 | Guest46588 | ompaul: thanks! |
| 07:36.09 | ompaul | Guest46588: you're welcome |
| 07:36.59 | blackshirt | ompaul: i have cups installed |
| 07:37.00 | holsta | ompaul: I tend to use systems other than Linux - any clues where on debian.org I find the bootloader approach documented? |
| 07:39.10 | ompaul | holsta: aix ? ;-) do this /msg dpkg grub and follow the messages with /msg dpkg <foo> until you are content |
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| 07:39.45 | holsta | ompaul: OpenBSD. Thanks. |
| 07:40.18 | ompaul | holsta: how do you run anything ;-) {only messing with ya} |
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| 07:41.22 | holsta | ompaul: I wonder that too sometimes. I find Linux to be very complex compared to OpenBSD. |
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| 07:42.56 | arghx | !noipv6 |
| 07:42.57 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 07:43.14 | Guest46588 | hold on, there is the debian exe |
| 07:43.23 | arghx | Guest46588: debian exe? |
| 07:43.36 | arghx | holsta: and you edit the kernel commandline in /etc/default/grub |
| 07:43.38 | Guest46588 | is there some version that supports Windows7? |
| 07:43.48 | Guest46588 | you know goodbye-windows |
| 07:44.02 | Guest46588 | whatchamacalit |
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| 07:44.26 | arghx | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 07:45.08 | holsta | arghx: This looks right? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet ipv6.disable=1" |
| 07:47.12 | factor | ahh never tried the GRUB ipv setting |
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| 07:48.52 | factor | You think oracle would have done something about java and ipv6 by now. |
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| 07:49.08 | Guest46588 | arghx: oh yep! seems to be working :D |
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| 07:49.34 | factor | changed my packages to testing then apt-got the source for utils linux , we try to install it to stable. |
| 07:49.39 | Guest46588 | looks like I am going back to Debian after ... 8 years? |
| 07:49.45 | factor | then change my packages back to stable. |
| 07:50.04 | holsta | Guest46588: Try OpenBSD :) |
| 07:50.18 | Dewi | factor: you can add just a "deb-src" for testing |
| 07:50.34 | Dewi | factor: you don't have to change things, just add to the end |
| 07:50.34 | Guest46588 | naw, I did freebsd a little bit and didnt felt like home |
| 07:50.44 | factor | will change it back to stable , just grabbing what updates I need from testing |
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| 07:51.26 | Dewi | factor: what about build-deps and stuff? |
| 07:51.35 | Dewi | factor: you should use stable for those |
| 07:51.47 | Dewi | (unless unavailable) |
| 07:52.11 | factor | cool my pic CPU flasher compiled. |
| 07:52.28 | factor | just upgraded the util-linux from testing |
| 07:52.28 | babilen | holsta: If you are doing this for the (now removed, buggy, ..) sun java you might want to consider openjdk |
| 07:52.38 | factor | on getting a libSM6 uuid error |
| 07:53.00 | holsta | babilen: I'm doing it to get DNS lookups not take 5 seconds. |
| 07:53.17 | holsta | And it worked on my test system. |
| 07:53.35 | holsta | arghx, thanks for the help. |
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| 07:54.33 | Guest46588 | I just hope dpkg dont keep giving me headaches as it used to :| |
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| 08:20.34 | holsta | bolt: My daugther loves you. (If you're that dog from the animated movie). |
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| 08:25.22 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 08:26.42 | Maiku-kun | is it some average time for package transfer from unstable to testing? or does it depend on some tests only? |
| 08:27.13 | ws2k3 | Dulakare u there? |
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| 08:30.51 | project2501a | hey guys, is there a channel for dash? |
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| 08:43.09 | arghx | Maiku-kun: /msg dpkg why is <package name> not in testing and usually it takes a minimum of 14 days for a package to move to testing, unless show stopper bugs are encountered or there is a dependency error, etc |
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| 08:44.38 | perdu | greetings, I may or may not have alter this library while installing google earth this morning (/lib32/ld-linux.so.2) would someone be nice enough to check in their system if it is a symlink or? amd64 sqeeze here. |
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| 08:45.00 | perdu | *squeeze |
| 08:45.42 | holsta | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.47 | perdu | thanks :) |
| 08:47.12 | jelly-home | perdu: is libc6-i386 installed? |
| 08:47.16 | Maiku-kun | arghx: thanks |
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| 08:48.59 | jelly-home | perdu: reinstall it |
| 08:49.34 | perdu | libc6-i386 is already the newest version. |
| 08:49.41 | jelly-home | perdu: REinstall it. |
| 08:50.18 | perdu | done |
| 08:51.02 | jelly-home | the symlink ought to be back in place, and any 32bit executable working again |
| 08:51.46 | perdu | thanks |
| 08:52.10 | Mmike | What is the preffered way of having tomcat, on debian squeeze boxes, listening on port on 80? Using jsvc or using xinit? |
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| 08:53.11 | jelly-home | Mmike: we do it using iptables REDIRECT, or better NAT (PAT) on the router in front |
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| 08:53.26 | Mmike | yeps, can't to that :/ |
| 08:53.45 | Mmike | I've used jsvc earlier (on lenny, ages ago), but now I see that people are using xinti |
| 08:53.48 | Mmike | xinit |
| 08:54.01 | jelly-home | has no idea what "xinit" is in this context |
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| 08:55.27 | onryo | Xfce is based on GTK+ version 2. If I install wheezy will it get borked when I do upgrades? |
| 08:55.37 | Mmike | oh, autobind |
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| 08:55.51 | Mmike | sometimes in /usr/share/doc there is usefull info :) |
| 08:56.19 | jelly-home | onryo: not for the reason you're implying it won't |
| 08:57.40 | onryo | jelly-home, that good to know. What reasons are you "implying" would brake it? Is there something I should know? |
| 08:58.00 | jelly-home | onryo: stuff in testing breaks. |
| 08:58.28 | jelly-home | that's just a fact. If it worked we'd have a new stable, not "testing" |
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| 08:58.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. can someone recommend a tool to resize/reencode a .mkv ? I need to knock 600mb off the file size |
| 08:59.17 | onryo | jelly-home, OK so its the normal stuff then with the testing expectations. |
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| 08:59.30 | jelly-home | yes |
| 08:59.56 | jelly-home | if you need to do useful work on a certain day, don't mess with upgrades, etc etc |
| 09:00.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | (alternatively, something to split the file in half in a valid way. 'split' didnt DTRT) |
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| 09:01.43 | ansgar | Kamping_Kaiser: Maybe mencoder? |
| 09:02.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ansgar: fair thought, i'll check the man page. thanks |
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| 09:03.05 | onryo | jelly-home, thx for the info. |
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| 09:05.46 | mattalexx | How can I install this package using apt? http://mentors.debian.net/package/equinox-themes |
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| 09:06.11 | mattalexx | I'm looking all around for instructions and I can't seem to find them |
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| 09:07.38 | arghx | Kamping_Kaiser: ffmpeg should do it? |
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| 09:08.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | arghx: thanks for the sugtestion, i'll get that man page up too |
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| 09:08.45 | arghx | Kamping_Kaiser: but you might need dmm repos for encoding to h.264 |
| 09:09.02 | onryo | Normally when I install Debian I do a net install. Reading http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce I cant say I remember "the Debian Installer boot prompt" |
| 09:09.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup. already got them for a couple of tools i was working with |
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| 09:15.39 | anddam | hello |
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| 09:18.22 | guardian1 | hello, I put "ControlMaster auto" and "ControlPath /tmp/ssh_mux_%h_%p_%r" in my ~/.ssh/config but when i connect to a remote host through ssh i get disconnected with "Shared connection to [hostname] closed." It's always reproductible by connecting to the remote host then "cd / && find ." |
| 09:18.34 | guardian1 | it makes me think of excess flood IRC disconnects |
| 09:18.47 | guardian1 | anyone knows what could be happening? is it on my client or my server? |
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| 09:29.04 | mattalexx | What's the best Gnome theme for Debian? I love equinox for Ubuntu but that one's not quite ready for Debian. |
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| 09:30.55 | avernos | i want to create a user that is able to use ssh -D but nothing else. no /home, no read write or execute permissions, how can i do that? |
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| 09:37.31 | llutz | avernos: putting that user into a chroot would be nearest solution i'd think of |
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| 09:41.55 | avernos | thanks llutz, will check howto do that |
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| 09:47.24 | gary_golden | Makefile: http://paste.debian.net/145519/ |
| 09:47.31 | gary_golden | When I run `make doc` it always returns "make: `doc' is up to date." What's wrong? |
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| 09:48.47 | simonlnu | you need to make clean? means the timestamp hasn't been updated |
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| 09:50.16 | themill | gary_golden: you need to mark doc as a PHONY target |
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| 09:51.29 | simonlnu | themill: i know what 'phony' means, but how does make react to that? |
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| 09:51.59 | themill | simonlnu: it assumes it's a target that doesn't correspond to something on disk so it should always be run |
| 09:52.06 | gary_golden | themill: it works. thank you |
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| 09:52.31 | simonlnu | oooh |
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| 09:53.42 | SachinDey | Sudo command didn't work on my Squeeze i had to use su |
| 09:53.43 | SachinDey | Why is that? First time debian, generally a ubuntu user |
| 09:54.25 | petemc | you need to install and configure it |
| 09:55.04 | simonlnu | !sudo path |
| 09:55.04 | dpkg | As of sudo version 1.8.2 (wheezy/sid), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
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| 10:11.54 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 10:12.13 | d3xter | why are there so many debian-dvds? whats the difference between those? |
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| 10:15.06 | Zet | hello |
| 10:15.33 | arghx | d3xter: debian repository is huge. it needs all these dvds to fit.you don't need them all, only the first to install debian |
| 10:15.37 | Zet | I'm running Wheezy, and my sound just stopped working, probably in relation to some dist-upgrades I ran |
| 10:15.52 | flypp | d3xter, DVD's images contais all packages from "main" repository for those who can't access to a internet conection. |
| 10:15.55 | Zet | I rebooted, but the problem persists |
| 10:15.58 | arghx | Zet: welcome to wheezy. enjoy your stay and don't mind the broken software |
| 10:16.19 | Zet | "mplayer -ao alsa foo.ogg" produces no sound and the playback progresses much too fast |
| 10:16.28 | d3xter | arghx, flypp alright, thanks |
| 10:16.30 | arghx | !tell Zet about alsa checklist |
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| 10:17.48 | Zet | alsamixer only shows one bar labeled "pulseaudio" |
| 10:18.04 | Zet | I am in the audio group |
| 10:18.15 | Zet | I don't have arts or esd |
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| 10:18.39 | Zet | the "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" command does produce sound as root |
| 10:18.55 | jelly | Zet: but as normal user it does not? |
| 10:19.26 | Zet | yes |
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| 10:19.38 | Zet | I did the modprobe snd-pcm-oss, and now I get sound with -ao oss |
| 10:19.48 | Zet | with normal user as well |
| 10:19.52 | jelly | Zet: do you have a ~/.asoundrc ? |
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| 10:20.04 | Zet | I do not |
| 10:20.40 | jelly | Zet: ok. Is there a pulseaudio process running? |
| 10:20.46 | Zet | probably |
| 10:20.56 | Zet | I mean, the pulseaudio server at least |
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| 10:21.32 | Zet | well I guess not |
| 10:21.34 | Zet | # pulseaudio --kill |
| 10:21.34 | Zet | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process |
| 10:21.41 | Brighty | Hi all, any gurus in here think they could get my touchpad working with debian 6.0.3? I have ran through http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic but that seemed to be no help - it dosent |
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| 10:24.24 | pavlz | hi i need help |
| 10:24.30 | Brighty | it dosent seem to display in lsusb either |
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| 10:24.49 | triplc | hi all |
| 10:24.49 | pavlz | until to touch the primary partition of the hdd connected via usb |
| 10:25.12 | pavlz | i touched with gparted the primary partition of the hdd that is inside my laptop |
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| 10:25.37 | triplc | Please give a link (guide) to how to install debian squeeze from usb sick. I just download the ISO file but I do not have the CD drive (my drive broken) |
| 10:25.39 | pavlz | i have not rebooted the pc, because gparted tell me that the hdd is unollocated |
| 10:26.00 | pavlz | can you help me ? |
| 10:26.07 | pavlz | awaiting your reply, |
| 10:26.13 | pavlz | best faithfully, |
| 10:26.15 | pavlz | paolo |
| 10:26.29 | walle | Hydroxide: :-) comming |
| 10:26.30 | pavlz | p.s: on the laptop i got thousands of things |
| 10:27.13 | Brighty | @triplc use go to pendrivelinux and download one of the apps there |
| 10:27.48 | pavlz | have you a solution for me ? |
| 10:27.50 | triplc | Brighty: thanks |
| 10:28.07 | Brighty | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 10:28.13 | paijo | hi pavlz |
| 10:28.25 | pavlz | hi paijo |
| 10:28.44 | Brighty | but if anyone can help me with a touchpad issue it would be appreciated |
| 10:29.05 | paijo | what your problem pavlz ? |
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| 10:29.47 | Brighty | no problems triplc |
| 10:29.53 | pavlz | until to touch the primary partition of the hdd connected via USB |
| 10:30.13 | pavlz | i otuched the partition of my laptop with the laptop |
| 10:30.33 | pavlz | and now gparted tell me that the partition is unollocated |
| 10:30.43 | paijo | what you mean with touch primary partition ? |
| 10:30.48 | pavlz | there is not anymore primary and secondary hdd |
| 10:30.55 | pavlz | yes correct |
| 10:31.05 | paijo | can you boot your laptop ? |
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| 10:31.37 | pavlz | i don't want to boot the laptop because i got thousand of things over |
| 10:31.48 | pavlz | i am writing from the same laptop |
| 10:32.41 | pavlz | this could be a big problem for me and for my computer |
| 10:32.45 | paijo | gparted just tell you that primary partition was unallocated ? |
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| 10:33.00 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 10:33.05 | pavlz | i don't undestand why gparted touch the primary hdd when the computer is using it |
| 10:33.18 | ragnar76 | where do i see which packages are locked from update? |
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| 10:34.06 | pavlz | it must forbidden, or ask if the person want to destroy the primary partion of the laptop or of any other computer |
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| 10:34.39 | pavlz | a msg is not a big problem, and this could help people to undestand if they really want to do it or not |
| 10:34.49 | pavlz | understand |
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| 10:37.46 | paijo | ragnar76: what you mean what being locked |
| 10:39.05 | arghx | pavlz: do you have a backup? |
| 10:39.29 | jaalto | How do I write /etc/pam.d/passwd so that the command "passwd" is denied from particular user? I tried to add entry "auth required pam_succeed.so user ne LOGIN" |
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| 10:40.33 | Ev3r10st | hello |
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| 10:41.13 | Ev3r10st | I used rm badly so i'm trying to install photorec to recover some files |
| 10:41.36 | Ev3r10st | though when i try installing it via : apt-get install testdisk It goes wrong |
| 10:41.48 | Ev3r10st | i'll pastebin the message |
| 10:42.38 | Ev3r10st | http://pastebin.com/k3urnxQs |
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| 10:42.47 | ragnar76 | paijo: i've installed several computers with testing/unstable recently and all got a kernel 3.x but this computer here ( on unstable ) is still on kernel 2.6.32 . i guess, it is locked somewhere |
| 10:42.53 | fireba11 | hi, I installed debian and used the installer options for LVM. now i want to create a new volume and was wondering what options the debian installer uses with creation of the volumes |
| 10:43.26 | onryo | May sound like a lame question. Back in the day I use to arp networks and do MITM attacks injecting and sniffing packets. Is there any kind of protection against this when doing a netinstall? |
| 10:44.42 | arghx | !tell onryo about secure apt |
| 10:44.50 | themill | Ev3r10st: what version of debian is this with? Your version of tar seems incompatible with your version of dpkg, and that version of testdisk isn't anywhere in debian. |
| 10:45.04 | arghx | ragnar76: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 10:45.49 | paijo | ragnar76: you can use aptitude unhold |
| 10:45.59 | Ev3r10st | 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 10:46.12 | ragnar76 | arghx: ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-31 Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs |
| 10:46.16 | Ev3r10st | that's what you wanted themill? |
| 10:46.48 | themill | Ev3r10st: all that does is tell me that you're running something scary. /msg dpkg version |
| 10:46.51 | arghx | Ev3r10st: is this a debian you're isntalling it on? what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 10:47.23 | arghx | themill: ubuntu testdisk |
| 10:47.26 | Ev3r10st | wheezy/sid |
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| 10:47.54 | arghx | Ev3r10st: is this a ubuntu installation? dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 10:48.08 | Ev3r10st | debian |
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| 10:48.29 | Ev3r10st | ii libc6 2.13-7 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:48.32 | ragnar76 | paijo: aptitude does nothing |
| 10:48.33 | arghx | then don't install ubuntu packages |
| 10:48.50 | arghx | ragnar76: is this a squeeze installation your upgraded? |
| 10:48.54 | arghx | -r |
| 10:49.15 | Ev3r10st | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/testdisk |
| 10:49.53 | paijo | ragnar76: put a package unhold with #aptitude unhold package-name |
| 10:50.31 | arghx | Ev3r10st: please tell me where on this page is testdisk 6.9? |
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| 10:51.09 | Ev3r10st | oh right |
| 10:51.22 | ragnar76 | arghx: it's older. lenny or etch and (dist-)upgraded from time to tim |
| 10:51.54 | arghx | ragnar76: then install a current kernel image. linux-image-2.6 or such and you are done |
| 10:52.16 | Ev3r10st | here is when i use apt-get arghx : http://pastebin.com/bpU7EENK |
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| 10:53.18 | zeitsofa | hello. i'm search for a tool to create webload on our webservers. i like to teste login procedure with many of testuser accounts at same time. and the tool should work on a debian box. can any one tell me one? |
| 10:53.19 | arghx | Ev3r10st: your tar program is not from debian. fix it |
| 10:53.45 | arghx | Ev3r10st: tar --version what does it say? |
| 10:54.03 | Ev3r10st | 1.20 |
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| 10:54.26 | Ev3r10st | tar (GNU tar) 1.20 |
| 10:54.30 | arghx | ,versions tar |
| 10:54.31 | judd | Package: tar on i386 -- lenny: 1.20-1+lenny1; squeeze: 1.23-3; wheezy: 1.25-3; sid: 1.26-3 |
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| 10:54.44 | arghx | Ev3r10st: note how this is ages old? please upgrade it |
| 10:55.07 | arghx | Ev3r10st: dpkg -l tar ? |
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| 10:55.53 | Ev3r10st | http://pastebin.com/tgVq6is9 |
| 10:56.28 | arghx | Ev3r10st: you have parts lenny and parts wheezy. that cannot work. reinstall your debian to a proper, single version |
| 10:56.43 | ragnar76 | arghx: so, i need the linux-image, headers and modules? right? |
| 10:56.47 | Ev3r10st | can't i upgrade it all? |
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| 10:57.28 | arghx | Ev3r10st: you can. if you know how to do it, but since you came here to ask you don't know and therefore it's easiest for you to install debian properly and run it properly. if you mix debian release again, the same will happen again of course |
| 10:57.57 | arghx | ragnar76: linux-image-686 (or -amd64) is all you need. headers only if you compile some modules on your own (nvidia, fglrx, virtualbox,...) |
| 10:57.59 | Ev3r10st | it's on a dedicated server, that'll be hard to get it reset |
| 10:58.37 | arghx | dedicated servers can be reimaged, and good hosters let the users do it automatically. they even provide backup space |
| 11:00.27 | Ev3r10st | but i'll totally loose my code :/ |
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| 11:00.38 | Ev3r10st | i'll try to install photorec with the sources |
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| 11:02.46 | jaalto | How dow I restrict LOGIN to run certai commands with PAM? |
| 11:03.04 | arghx | Ev3r10st: your problem is not photorec |
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| 11:03.33 | Ev3r10st | yeah it's not i know |
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| 11:03.50 | Ev3r10st | but i won't destroy this OS before getting back what i removed with "rm" |
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| 11:04.19 | Ev3r10st | since i can't install pkg i'll just compile it from the sources |
| 11:04.22 | Ev3r10st | get back my files |
| 11:04.27 | Ev3r10st | then reset the OS |
| 11:04.36 | Ev3r10st | or die trying.. |
| 11:05.01 | arghx | if you removed a program with rm, you don't want to install ANYTHING anymore since usually that what you then install overwrites your removed data |
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| 11:05.17 | arghx | so every byte you install now lowers your chances of retrieval of your data |
| 11:05.27 | paijo | and resize through them |
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| 11:05.37 | ragnar76 | thx so far |
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| 11:06.06 | Ev3r10st | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:06.06 | Ev3r10st | See `config.log' for more details. |
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| 11:06.10 | Ev3r10st | i'm fucked :/ |
| 11:06.43 | Ev3r10st | ikr? but i need testdisk, even if it erase some of the data |
| 11:06.48 | paijo | Ev3r10st: install compiler packages |
| 11:06.51 | themill | Ev3r10st: if this is a managed machine, does the hosting company keep snapshots for you? |
| 11:07.01 | Ev3r10st | it doesn't |
| 11:07.10 | Ev3r10st | and i didn't |
| 11:07.14 | arghx | Ev3r10st: you could, just maybe, install testdisk on a local debian machine and then upload the binar(y|ies) to your server. just a thought |
| 11:07.15 | Ev3r10st | < dumbass |
| 11:07.38 | Ev3r10st | yeah |
| 11:07.38 | arghx | and then run testdisk without having it installed via dpkg |
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| 11:10.23 | primebluez | exit |
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| 11:15.34 | themill | suspects "good backup solution" will be high on Ev3r10st's todo list in the very near future |
| 11:15.49 | Ev3r10st | for sure |
| 11:15.52 | Ev3r10st | and i'm developper |
| 11:15.54 | arghx | suspects themill is an optimist |
| 11:15.57 | Ev3r10st | not as if i didn't know that |
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| 11:22.09 | koskoz | hi, I'm looking for the location of mysqld to start it with some options but I can't find it... |
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| 11:24.13 | koskoz | ok, found it in /usr/sbin |
| 11:24.31 | themill | koskoz: sure you're not looking for /etc/mysql/conf.d/ |
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| 11:36.05 | anddam | should I use debian's virtualbox guest package or install them from virtualbox's Guest Additions ISO? |
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| 11:40.05 | koskoz | themill: yeah, sure |
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| 11:40.07 | themill | anddam: I believe that you should try to match the version of the guest additions to the version of the host. |
| 11:40.20 | Ev3r10st | I found a way to get back my files :D |
| 11:40.29 | anddam | themill: so most likely the guestadditions are the one in sync |
| 11:40.56 | indigo | It seems that a new version linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 was released in squeeze; how can I tell what version I'm running now, and if the lastest version I've installed is the kernel I'm presently running? uname tells me the kernel version, not the version of the package, so that's no good. |
| 11:41.06 | Ev3r10st | i was editing them via the winscp program. it makes a temp file in a windows temp folder. I used photorec on my windows so. and already got back some |
| 11:41.18 | themill | heh |
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| 11:44.24 | themill | indigo: the package version is in /proc/version |
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| 11:44.55 | indigo | themill: perfect, thanks. |
| 11:45.32 | nyuszika7h | Hi, are there any torrents for Debian squeeze? |
| 11:46.10 | ansgar | nyuszika7h: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 11:46.42 | nyuszika7h | ansgar: thanks |
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| 11:54.14 | zatix | I am building the 3.2-rc 1 kernel, but it does not boot. I have seen that /proc/modules is empty, might this be the issue? |
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| 11:55.22 | rly | My /tmp is full apparently. How can I see with what? du /tmp -h doesn't show more than a few KB. |
| 11:55.29 | rly | df -h |
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| 11:56.04 | rly | (that shows that zero is still available on /tmp (tmfps)) |
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| 11:58.19 | rly | tmpfs /tmp/ tmpfs size=1g 0 0 # fstab line |
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| 12:00.46 | rly | mount output: tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) \n tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1g) |
| 12:00.52 | rly | That probably is wrong. |
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| 12:02.47 | jelly | how do I get a list of all the users belonging to a certain group, including those that have it as their primary group? |
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| 12:04.26 | onryo | Is secure apt the default when a person does apt-get xxxxx ? |
| 12:04.46 | paijo | onryo: i think yes |
| 12:05.03 | onryo | paijo good to know. Thx. |
| 12:05.30 | indigo | onryo: it verifies packages signatures, if that's what you mean by secure. |
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| 12:06.35 | onryo | indigo I mean like one can read http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 12:07.39 | woshty | samba does not seem to start up properly, update-rc.d samba default should restore shipped startup setting, right? |
| 12:07.46 | indigo | onryo: ah. Yes, I think that's the default, because a couple times I've had my public keys get out of sync and been unable to install packages. |
| 12:08.26 | paijo | woshty: any error ? |
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| 12:10.05 | woshty | paijo: not really .. it is just not running properly: nmbd is running. \n could not access PID file for smbd ... failed! |
| 12:11.16 | woshty | paijo: nvm .. got a trace for smbd in its log |
| 12:11.52 | onryo | indigo Good to know, back in the day as a mean little script kiddy we did things by first arp'n a network then MITM and got crazy with sslstrp, ettercap, wireshark and metasploit. Often we changed the hosts signature expectations (evil upgrade) and messed with crc etc. Now I am "normal" adult who knows the dangers and just wants a safe computer. |
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| 12:12.15 | ragnar76 | hey again |
| 12:12.47 | zatix | I just built the 3.2 kernel but it fails to boot: "gave up waiting for root device." |
| 12:12.54 | guardian1 | hello, I put "ControlMaster auto" and "ControlPath /tmp/ssh_mux_%h_%p_%r" in my ~/.ssh/config but when i connect to a remote host through ssh i get disconnected with "Shared connection to [hostname] closed." It's always reproductible by connecting to the remote host then "find /" |
| 12:12.57 | guardian1 | anyone knows what could be happening? is it on my client or my server? |
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| 12:13.47 | ragnar76 | after installing kernel 3.x and a restart my X11 setup is weired. my two displays are out of sync. is there any tool to read out the autoconfigured x11 settings into a new xorg.conf? |
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| 12:14.52 | paijo | ragnar79: reconfigure X server |
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| 12:16.27 | onryo | I am guessing its the amd64 and not the i386 to be installed on a i7 2600 Sandy Bridge? |
| 12:17.30 | themill | onryo: either will work. You might want the kernel and xorg stack from backports for it |
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| 12:17.55 | themill | onryo: /msg dpkg bpo kernel; /msg dpkg bpo xorg |
| 12:18.50 | rly | themill: do you have any idea why df -h says that 1GB has been used of 1GB on /tmp, while du . -h claims less <100K of temporary data is in /tmp? |
| 12:18.58 | onryo | themill going to have a vesa graphics card for the install. Then upgrade to Wheeze. Should work ... I hope. |
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| 12:19.46 | woshty | paijo: http://pastebin.com/P4rtCbdP happens. any ideas? |
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| 12:20.15 | rly | df -h partial output tmpfs 1.0G 1.0G 0 100% /tmp |
| 12:20.33 | paijo | woshty: wait a minute |
| 12:20.56 | jelly | rly: space for files open by processes but deleted from directory can't be really freed until all the processes close them |
| 12:21.00 | onryo | This is a damn clean kernel, no blobs! I love it! |
| 12:21.11 | jelly | rly: as root, try "lsof -n | grep deleted" |
| 12:21.12 | abrotman | onryo: that's intentional |
| 12:21.31 | onryo | =) |
| 12:22.16 | zatix | I just built the 3.2 kernel but it fails to boot: "gave up waiting for root device." and the /proc/modules is empty so I assume there is not support for mounting the filesystem |
| 12:23.03 | jelly | zatix: have you forgotten to use and enable support for initramfs? |
| 12:23.48 | themill | zatix: what's your root device on? (hardware-wise, also lvm etc?) |
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| 12:24.13 | paijo | woshty: is your network interfaces has been configured ? |
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| 12:24.36 | rly | jelly: there is a whole list there. |
| 12:24.46 | woshty | paijo: yes, i can start samba afterwards and everything works fine .. it is just like it is being started too early |
| 12:24.57 | rly | jelly: in the 7th column there are some really big numbers. |
| 12:25.29 | paijo | woshty: great :D |
| 12:25.36 | Guest89860 | hi. can anyone tell me where to find the config file where the scripts are defined that should be run after apt has completed installing new packages? |
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| 12:25.49 | rly | jelly: e.g. there are a couple of 1071628288 entries. |
| 12:25.58 | jelly | rly: well. if there're any files under /tmp/, try stopping those processes. |
| 12:26.10 | woshty | paijo: i am unsing squeeze btw. how can that be? maybe allow-hotplug eth0? i never understood why they changed it in the first place. |
| 12:26.16 | themill | !wayttd Guest89860 |
| 12:26.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Guest89860? |
| 12:26.24 | zatix | jelly, CONFIG_DEVTMPFS is enabled |
| 12:27.00 | rly | jelly: also, this problems seems to have been caused by a RAM upgrade. |
| 12:27.01 | jelly | zatix: I have no idea what that does. |
| 12:27.12 | rly | jelly: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/10/msg00286.html |
| 12:27.13 | jelly | rly: unlikely! |
| 12:27.18 | paijo | Guest89860: you can look at post.install script at your package script librar |
| 12:27.24 | paijo | library |
| 12:27.28 | rly | jelly: I had never had this problem before and the guy on the link had the same issue. |
| 12:27.33 | zatix | jelly, so how can I check if I have support for initramfs? |
| 12:28.14 | abrotman | paijo: .postinst? |
| 12:28.18 | Guest89860 | themill: I'm running couchdb on ubuntu 10.04. I have to manually create a file "themill: I'm running couchdb on ubuntu 10.04. There is a config file " with the xulrunner version in it to get it working. So after every update of xulrunner, a script should update that file |
| 12:28.34 | Guest89860 | d*mn copy and paste |
| 12:28.34 | abrotman | Guest89860: you want #ubuntu |
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| 12:28.42 | paijo | thanks abrotman for correction |
| 12:28.43 | Guest89860 | I meant file /etc/ld.so.conf.d/xulrunner.conf |
| 12:29.05 | jelly | Guest89860: alternatively, try the #ubuntu-server or ##linux channels |
| 12:29.08 | Guest89860 | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I don't want ubuntu |
| 12:29.22 | themill | dpkg: tell Guest89860 about install debian |
| 12:29.25 | Guest89860 | I already added my script to an apt config file, but I can recall which |
| 12:29.26 | abrotman | you said you're using 10.04 |
| 12:29.36 | jelly | Guest89860: we can't support Ubuntu users in here, either |
| 12:29.51 | abrotman | Guest89860: ubuntu is not supported in #debian |
| 12:29.58 | Guest89860 | I get that ^^ |
| 12:30.10 | Guest89860 | but it's a debian config file, isn't it? |
| 12:30.30 | abrotman | no, it's an ubuntu config file |
| 12:30.51 | themill | Guest89860: they have a different version of apt and dpkg, and their packaging scripts may or may not be the same. Please ask them. |
| 12:31.04 | woshty | paijo: lol. i fixed it. changing allow-hotplug to auto in interfaces fixed my problem .. useless setting. |
| 12:31.24 | Guest89860 | ok thx |
| 12:32.21 | jelly | zatix: hm. the only thing that comes to mind is CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD |
| 12:32.34 | rly | jelly: that worked, but I would like to make sure that never happens again. |
| 12:32.39 | jelly | zatix: (in other words, I don't konw) |
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| 12:32.56 | rly | Can I put a memory limit on an application? |
| 12:32.58 | jelly | rly: use stable, then. |
| 12:33.01 | rly | jelly: I am. |
| 12:33.25 | rly | jelly: this is a problem in stable. |
| 12:33.32 | zatix | jelly, I have that parameter to y |
| 12:33.36 | jelly | rly: wait, stable decided to use a tmpfs /tmp depending on the amount of RAM? |
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| 12:33.59 | rly | jelly: I don't know. |
| 12:34.23 | jelly | but that's what you're describing |
| 12:34.28 | rly | jelly: all I know is that I have on line in my fstab to get myself a tmpfs of exactly one 1GB and that it was 'full' with stuff that Emacs filled. |
| 12:34.39 | rly | jelly: I think there is just a bug in Emacs, which caused it. |
| 12:34.46 | jelly | rly: yes. |
| 12:34.51 | rly | jelly: but it is 'stable' Emacs. |
| 12:35.02 | rly | jelly: so, stable Sqeeuze. |
| 12:35.19 | rly | Squeeze* |
| 12:35.20 | jelly | rly: if you put that /tmp line in fstab yourself, you show yourself in the foot, it wasn't the OS <g> |
| 12:35.34 | jelly | shot* |
| 12:35.48 | rly | jelly: how am I supposed to use tmpfs then on Debian? It seems there is no documentation for Debian. |
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| 12:36.06 | rly | jelly: I am thinking of something like the FreeBSD handbook. |
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| 12:36.28 | jelly | rly: but anyway. It's not insane to limit the size of /tmp, if an app opens huge files in it, it indicates that it might be buggy od need additional tuning. |
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| 12:37.16 | rly | jelly: the limiting of /tmpfs is a feature. I would also like to limit the size that Emacs can use to make sure it doesn't happen again. |
| 12:37.21 | rly | er /tmp |
| 12:38.03 | jelly | rly: well. it's a kernel feature and kernel is decoupled from userspace in Linux. You can man mount to see available options, but you might have to set your own policies. |
| 12:39.09 | jelly | also, tmpfs is used for other things than /tmp |
| 12:40.52 | onryo | is there an official netinst or image for Debian testing? |
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| 12:41.37 | gusnan | onryo, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:41.49 | onryo | gusnan thx |
| 12:41.52 | abrotman | onryo: there is one, but it may or may not be horribly broken today |
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| 12:42.11 | abrotman | onryo: generally, use stable, then dist-upgrade |
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| 12:43.27 | onryo | abrotman I am going to go stable netinsl -> wheezy. Had to many bad experiences with broken stuff on other distos. |
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| 12:44.27 | abrotman | onryo: even better, do it from a usb drive in case it doesn't work :) |
| 12:45.06 | jelly | onryo: something like: install stable, base system only, upgrade that minimal OS to testing, then install the rest |
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| 12:45.37 | onryo | abrotman can I do the desktop=xfce at the Debian boot prompt if I do it that way? |
| 12:45.57 | Phil-Work | I did an upgrade yesterday and postfix fails to sasl authenticate the user now |
| 12:45.58 | abrotman | i beleive so |
| 12:45.59 | Phil-Work | SASL LOGIN authentication failed: no mechanism available |
| 12:46.05 | Phil-Work | any clues? :S |
| 12:46.06 | onryo | abrotman thx |
| 12:46.26 | abrotman | Phil-Work: start by telling us what you upgraded |
| 12:46.44 | themill | onryo: if you're straight away going to upgrade to wheezy, then don't bother installing anything other than the base system now and once upgraded, "/msg dpkg install xfce" and just install the wheezy version |
| 12:46.53 | Phil-Work | abrotman, I did an apt-get upgrade which upgraded quite a few packages |
| 12:47.07 | abrotman | uhhuh ... |
| 12:47.08 | Phil-Work | including postfix and sasl2-bin |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | Phil-Work: is your postfix in a cheroot? |
| 12:47.31 | Phil-Work | hmmmm |
| 12:47.42 | Phil-Work | it was set up a long time ago |
| 12:47.46 | Phil-Work | but I recall it being so |
| 12:47.58 | Phil-Work | because I had to jump through some hoops initially to get it to work with saslauthd |
| 12:48.55 | Phil-Work | that said, master.conf says smtp is not in chroot |
| 12:49.30 | arghx | IIRC debian stopped that practice |
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| 12:50.25 | abrotman | doesn't mean he didnt follow an old howto and do it himself |
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| 12:50.32 | Phil-Work | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6643367/sasl-plain-authentication-failed-no-mechanism-available |
| 12:50.35 | d3xter | hey |
| 12:50.39 | Phil-Work | I use mysql also |
| 12:50.47 | Phil-Work | so that issue seems related but sadly unanswered |
| 12:51.00 | d3xter | does anyone know, whether someone has already created debian lightscribe covers |
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| 12:51.38 | abrotman | Phil-Work: do you have a /var/lib/postfix/ ? is it active? |
| 12:51.45 | abrotman | thinks that was the chroot |
| 12:51.58 | Phil-Work | I do |
| 12:52.14 | Phil-Work | this was setup some 4 years ago |
| 12:52.36 | Phil-Work | I recall moving /var/run/saslauthd to /var/spool/postfix/var/run/ |
| 12:52.41 | Phil-Work | and symlinking the original |
| 12:53.01 | Phil-Work | /var/spool/postfix is also active |
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| 12:53.41 | jelly | maintainer's choice of chrooting every damn postfix service in Debian is... interesting |
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| 12:54.01 | Phil-Work | http://serverfault.com/questions/308055/sasl-plain-authentication-failed-no-mechanism-available |
| 12:54.07 | Phil-Work | also related to that |
| 12:54.11 | Phil-Work | looks like a common problem |
| 12:54.19 | Phil-Work | sadly nobody has given a solution :/ |
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| 12:54.29 | jelly | Phil-Work: /var/run can be cleared at reboot time. You need a custom init script. |
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| 12:54.53 | Phil-Work | jelly, this has been working fine for 4 years |
| 12:55.00 | Phil-Work | it's just the upgrade which has disabled it |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | Phil-Work: i vaguely recall that when postfix is reinstalled , it reloads the init script, did you make custom changes |
| 12:55.14 | jelly | "just" the upgrade? |
| 12:55.34 | Phil-Work | abrotman, I don't think so |
| 12:55.41 | Phil-Work | it's been upgraded before |
| 12:57.25 | jelly | Phil-Work: do you use sasl just for postfix, or for something else too? |
| 12:57.41 | Phil-Work | hmmmm |
| 12:57.48 | Phil-Work | pretty sure it's just postfix |
| 12:58.20 | Phil-Work | iirc sasl uses pam to auth which uses mysql |
| 12:58.21 | arghx | Phil-Work: if you use postfix and mysql, have you checked workaround.org ? |
| 12:58.30 | jelly | Phil-Work: you can tune /etc/default/saslauthd then, make it put the socket in the chroot |
| 12:58.43 | arghx | at least if you do a new mail system installation |
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| 13:00.38 | jelly | Phil-Work: eg. http://paste.debian.net/145545/ |
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| 13:00.57 | jelly | (some of that stuff is probably unneeded in squeeze) |
| 13:01.17 | Phil-Work | yeh, I saw that |
| 13:01.21 | Phil-Work | do you think it'll help the issue? |
| 13:01.35 | Phil-Work | is there any reason the symlink would have stopped working? |
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| 13:06.16 | d3xter | does anyone know, whether someone has already created debian lightscribe covers? |
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| 13:08.08 | jelly | Phil-Work: well, does the symlink still exist? |
| 13:09.04 | Phil-Work | yes |
| 13:09.16 | Phil-Work | the issue seems present in Ubuntu and Debian |
| 13:09.39 | Phil-Work | the fix for Ubuntu is to upgrade/downgrade sasl |
| 13:10.29 | jelly | I think it Works For Me. :-) |
| 13:11.00 | Phil-Work | what's the current stable? :S |
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| 13:11.28 | Phil-Work | squeeze, I presume |
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| 13:12.00 | jelly | yeah, it does... <- 235 2.7.0 Authentication successful |
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| 13:14.05 | jelly | Phil-Work: you can try testing sasl by itself first, using testsaslauthd |
| 13:14.18 | jelly | if that fails, first fix saslauthd |
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| 13:16.18 | deadalnix | Hi guys |
| 13:16.21 | onryo | Does whole disk encryption support AES yet? Was talk about it a few year ago. Back then I had to do something like cryptsetup -c aes-xts-plain -s 512 -y luksFormat /dev/hda |
| 13:16.43 | onryo | lvm is fine |
| 13:17.35 | deadalnix | what can I do to build an usable gcc with the new arch specific folder in testing and unstable ? |
| 13:17.49 | Phil-Work | jelly, win :) |
| 13:17.53 | deadalnix | to be prcise I'm intrested in building gdc |
| 13:18.02 | Phil-Work | did the same fix as the Ubuntu users did and downgraded 5 packages |
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| 13:26.27 | jelly | Phil-Work: which ones, and downgraded to what? |
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| 13:28.00 | Phil-Work | jelly, I'm on Wheezy |
| 13:28.43 | Phil-Work | downgraded to their Squeeze equivalents sasl2-bin, libsasl2-2, libsasl2-modules, libsasl2-modules-sql, libsasl2-dev |
| 13:28.43 | jelly | Phil-Work: dude, do not run testing on servers. |
| 13:28.57 | Phil-Work | jelly, it's a server that runs under my stairs |
| 13:29.17 | jelly | doesn't matter |
| 13:29.26 | Phil-Work | sure it does |
| 13:29.28 | Phil-Work | it's not production |
| 13:29.50 | jelly | if it's exposed to the internets, I would not use a distro without security support |
| 13:29.52 | Phil-Work | though as I'm losing interest in fixing problems like this, I may stick with squeeze when it goes stable rather than following the testing branch |
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| 13:34.36 | arghx | squeeze has been stable since last february |
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| 13:36.37 | anddam | my lxde terminal doesn't have scroll history, is that normal? |
| 13:36.55 | anddam | I'm on squeeze |
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| 13:38.24 | Sitaup | Hi everyone, Today at 5 pm this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day. |
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| 13:39.29 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
| 13:40.06 | anddam | and that's what spam is, even if you think it's for a good cause |
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| 13:40.29 | Retenodus_ | How can I delete a directory named "-f" ? rm -rf "-f/" doesn't do the job |
| 13:41.07 | arghx | Retenodus_: use midnight commander |
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| 13:43.48 | babilen | Retenodus_: "rm -r -- -f" should do the trick |
| 13:44.45 | Retenodus_ | babilen : yes, it works, thanks :) |
| 13:44.48 | manolitos | hi! I am doing a debian instalation in a usb stick through Virtual Box. I am in the part of Software Selection. I want to keep the stick small, only with my tools. So i want to have the awesome window manager. If i select Graphical Desktop Environment, what do I get? |
| 13:45.17 | ansgar | manolitos: Usually GNOME. |
| 13:45.45 | manolitos | mm.. ok, then i don't want it :p |
| 13:45.46 | manolitos | thanx |
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| 13:47.02 | arghx | manolitos: usually gnome. don't do it in the installation but install awesome and xorg afterwards |
| 13:47.07 | arghx | manolitos: that way you don't get gnome |
| 13:47.30 | manolitos | yes.. this is how i'll do it.. |
| 13:47.44 | manolitos | :) |
| 13:48.33 | manolitos | i am doing a usb stick that will be my moving office |
| 13:48.53 | manolitos | very light - encrypted - etc |
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| 13:49.34 | jemadux | the apt-keys where are they ? |
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| 13:58.43 | digdilem_ | manolitos, that's great. Until you forget it's in your pocket and it goes through the washing machine :) |
| 13:59.23 | manolitos | :D i should use backup of course |
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| 13:59.35 | manolitos | (but you know how it goes ;) ) |
| 13:59.37 | digdilem_ | good plan |
| 13:59.51 | manolitos | Do nothing is not a computer program, but it is the most widely used backup strategy. [freebsd handbook] |
| 13:59.53 | manolitos | :D |
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| 14:08.14 | Retenodus_ | Is there a way to differenciate files and directories by regex ? (my goal is to user rsync and exclude all subdirectories of a directory but not the standard files) |
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| 14:09.24 | goose | when doing an 'apt-get purge apache2' I get "Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed"; but the /etc/apache2/ dir exists, and the apache2 process is running :/ |
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| 14:09.47 | abrotman | Retenodus_: how do you intend to place the files in teh remote directory ? |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | goose: apache2.2-common |
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| 14:10.07 | abrotman | goose: dpkg -l apache* |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | well .. dpkg -l "apache*" |
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| 14:10.37 | goose | abrotman, looks like apache2-common did it |
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| 14:11.58 | Kobaz | i'm using debian unstable... apt-get update... apt-get install <insert any package here> i get the error: tar: unrecognized option `--warning=no-timestamp' |
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| 14:12.38 | Retenodus_ | abrotman : Hum, I mean that I want to exclude all subdirectories of a specific directory but not the files of this directory. Files of the subdirectories won't be saved |
| 14:13.26 | jelly | Kobaz: have you checked http://bugs.debian.org/apt yet? |
| 14:13.37 | Kobaz | not recently |
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| 14:14.17 | arghx | Kobaz: what's your tar package version? |
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| 14:14.30 | Kobaz | ii tar 1.16-2 GNU tar |
| 14:14.37 | jelly | Kobaz: there's a new(ish) channel for testing and unstable, mentioned in topic. |
| 14:14.41 | arghx | jelly: it's not apt btw, but dpkg which gives that error message |
| 14:14.58 | arghx | Kobaz: you hav a 4 year old tar but run sid? |
| 14:15.14 | Kobaz | apt-get didn't upgrade it |
| 14:15.18 | arghx | jelly: he's the 2nd one today with this error |
| 14:15.19 | Kobaz | hmm, lemme throw a new one on there |
| 14:15.23 | arghx | Kobaz: then upgrade it now |
| 14:15.26 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 14:15.31 | Kobaz | lemme copy from another box |
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| 14:15.52 | arghx | and no, you can't use dpkg to upgrade it, at least not at first. also do a full dist-upgrade afterwards |
| 14:16.13 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 14:16.22 | Kobaz | dpkg breaks installing tar because it doesn't have the new tar |
| 14:16.22 | dpkg | Kobaz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:17.22 | Kobaz | looks like stuff got upgraded out of order |
| 14:18.07 | abrotman | busybox .. |
| 14:18.23 | Kobaz | i'm also getting lots of these errors: dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 12088 package 'libpcap0': missing architecture |
| 14:18.26 | abrotman | Retenodus_: honestly not sure if rsync has an otion to exclude by file type |
| 14:18.28 | Kobaz | for all kinds of packages |
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| 14:19.59 | abrotman | Retenodus_: lots of options in the rsync man page .. maybe a filter or something can do it for you .. search for 'dirs' in the man page |
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| 14:28.15 | project2501a | is there a way to debug dash scripts? |
| 14:28.20 | project2501a | please. |
| 14:28.22 | project2501a | :) |
| 14:28.48 | nkuttler | project2501a: set -x |
| 14:29.49 | f8l | project2501a: I usually debug them by running them in bash, because it points me to faulty lines more accurately. ;-) |
| 14:31.02 | project2501a | f81: lol yeah, just did that |
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| 14:31.21 | f8l | project2501a: f8l, not f81. ;-) |
| 14:31.39 | project2501a | sorry :D |
| 14:32.13 | project2501a | f8l: i have been debugging some of the shell scripts for Platform LSF 7.0 on Lenny and Squeeze for the past two days |
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| 14:32.52 | project2501a | after finding a couple of huge, glaring bugs, i run into the program that the default shell for Squeeze is dash |
| 14:33.06 | project2501a | Platform LSF scripts claim to be sh compatible |
| 14:33.34 | project2501a | but it looks like that our friends from the PRC have never worked with dash or sh |
| 14:33.36 | project2501a | only bash. |
| 14:34.21 | f8l | project2501a: checkbashisms may be helpful |
| 14:34.53 | project2501a | looking into it |
| 14:34.55 | project2501a | thanks! |
| 14:35.03 | project2501a | also: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism |
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| 14:37.46 | f8l | project2501a: Thanks. May be useful in the future. |
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| 14:40.48 | hydra__ | hi. in a mail server with virtual domains, each system user can control multiple domains. Directory structure is something like /home/exuser/domains/examples.com/. |
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| 14:41.19 | hydra__ | each domain can contain virtual users, stored in /home/exuser/domains/examples.com/etc/(shadow, passwd) |
| 14:41.20 | f8l | project2501a: |
| 14:41.53 | f8l | project2501a: „There is a handy perl script checkbashisms which is part of the debian devscripts package which can help point out bashisms in a particular script.” |
| 14:42.45 | hydra__ | im using exim4 and dovecot. since exim needs access to each domain's shadow and password file, i have doubts on how to let Exim access these files, without root of course. |
| 14:42.46 | f8l | project2501a: Oh, I somehow sent you an empty message. Sorry. I've found the line above in the link you gave me. ;-) |
| 14:42.50 | hydra__ | any suggestions? |
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| 14:43.26 | hydra__ | I'm thinking about o+x permission directories up to /home/exuser/domains/examples.com/ |
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| 14:55.42 | unixabg | greetings, how do I test a password for a user is valid from the shell? |
| 14:56.18 | unixabg | valid as I just need to make sure the password the user sends is correct to run a command for them. They have no shell access. |
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| 14:58.32 | hardcore | hi! is there tomcat7 available for debian squeeze? |
| 14:58.43 | project2501a | we are out of tomcat |
| 14:58.54 | project2501a | you want cheetah? |
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| 14:59.21 | abrotman | project2501a: seriously? |
| 14:59.41 | abrotman | hardcore: doubtful .. not even sure it's in unstable |
| 14:59.55 | arghx | project2501a: seagate harddisks suck. nothxbye |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | judd: versions tomcat7 |
| 15:00.20 | judd | Package: tomcat7 on i386 -- sid: 7.0.22-1; wheezy: 7.0.22-1 |
| 15:00.25 | abrotman | hardcore: so it's there .. but you'd have to backport it yourself |
| 15:00.32 | abrotman | or wait for a backports.d.o package |
| 15:01.16 | zatix | I am trying to compile the kernel 3.2 but I've got an error when booting, I pasted all the information here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=72555 |
| 15:01.41 | abrotman | zatix: there are known issues with 3.x and squeeze |
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| 15:02.37 | zatix | If I want to develop on 3.2 what distribution should I use then? |
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| 15:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | zatix: LFS |
| 15:03.21 | abrotman | zatix: i'd probably try a chroot for starters |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: do you think before you speak? |
| 15:03.44 | arghx | abrotman: how does a chroot help the kernel? |
| 15:03.58 | project2501a | it helps you not mess up the rest of your distro |
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| 15:04.17 | abrotman | zatix: i'm sorry, are you actually doing kernel development? |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | arghx: should have clarified, you're right |
| 15:04.38 | abrotman | and LFS is not a good plan either |
| 15:04.48 | zatix | I have been reading some kernel development books, and I want to get started by fixing bugs and helping with little things |
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| 15:05.14 | abrotman | zatix: do you mean fix the Debian kernel bugs? or kernel.org kernel bugs? |
| 15:05.38 | zatix | I was thinking about kernel.org bugs |
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| 15:05.55 | arghx | zatix: your kernel problem could probably be fixed with root=/dev/sda1 or similar instead of the UUID, but: if you cannot even solve such fairly simple errors which can happen with a normal development system, I'm not sure kernel development is a good idea. maybe start with application developemtn before you go over to system programming? |
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| 15:06.20 | abrotman | you can use Debian .. i just thought i would note possible issues with squeeze .. but probably better to muck with a VM then your actual system anyway |
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| 15:07.09 | abrotman | zatix: compiling kernels on your actual system and deploying them there would probably lead to a lot of frustration and crying |
| 15:07.22 | abrotman | if you do it from a VM, you can take snapshots, etc |
| 15:07.37 | zatix | I am woking on a vm |
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| 15:08.56 | abrotman | zatix: not saying it's not possible to get it working .. if you're not using an initramfs .. you'll want to compile the drivers into the kernel, i believe the issue with squeeze/3.x is related to udev and not being able to get drivers loaded |
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| 15:11.28 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: sorry, didn't mean for it to come out like that .. but some of the things you've been saying recently are showing a bad trend .. apologies for being a butthead |
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| 15:22.42 | Kobaz | man |
| 15:22.48 | Kobaz | i've never had this many problems with unstable |
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| 15:23.14 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.14 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.39 | Kobaz | there's a tilde in my installed version, and a dash in the dependency requirement |
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| 15:28.13 | Kobaz | how do i update the package cache |
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| 15:28.33 | arghx | what cache? |
| 15:28.52 | Kobaz | there seems to be some sort of cache of the available/status files |
| 15:29.08 | Kobaz | i forgot how to rebuild the binary cache |
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| 15:29.55 | Kobaz | like, i'm trying to fix the dependency problems |
| 15:30.14 | suvor | Hi all !! |
| 15:30.31 | Kobaz | but my changes to /var/lib/dpkg/status aren't taking effect |
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| 15:31.17 | arghx | that oneis for dpkg. /var/cache/apt/ but it's not a good idea to edit either one of those |
| 15:31.46 | Kobaz | yeah that's fine |
| 15:31.55 | Kobaz | i used to do this all the time when packages broke |
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| 15:32.05 | arghx | *shudder* |
| 15:32.22 | Kobaz | nothing wrong if you play by the rules and use proper syntax |
| 15:33.14 | Kobaz | oh, you know what i can do, is change the version of libedit to match the dep |
| 15:33.16 | Kobaz | versus changing the dep |
| 15:34.05 | Kobaz | okay that worked |
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| 15:34.58 | Kobaz | arghx: that's the fun part about running unstable, you need to be willing to go around fixing things that break |
| 15:35.01 | ansgar | Kobaz: And then you wonder if your system breaks? |
| 15:35.13 | ansgar | Kobaz: That's not "fixing"... |
| 15:35.35 | arghx | Kobaz: not by editing the status file, you don't |
| 15:36.25 | Kobaz | i've never had a broken system from editing status and fixing all the dependency problems, and then updating again to be in sync with the repos |
| 15:36.35 | Kobaz | sometimes you just need to force stuff in |
| 15:36.40 | Kobaz | and then fix it after the fact |
| 15:36.51 | Kobaz | i agree it's not fixing the bug in debian |
| 15:36.57 | Kobaz | but I don't have the time to wait for that |
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| 15:38.09 | ansgar | Kobaz: "[2009-06-23] Accepted 2.11-20080614-1". If you still have 2.11~* you have an ancient system. |
| 15:38.28 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 15:38.31 | Kobaz | it's *old* |
| 15:38.48 | ansgar | Kobaz: So you mix packages older than squeeze with unstable... That's not supported in any way. |
| 15:38.51 | Kobaz | upgrading from a very old unstable, to the new unstable |
| 15:39.01 | Kobaz | it's mixing because dependencies are screwed up |
| 15:39.28 | ansgar | Maybe you should upgrade to squeeze first. |
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| 15:40.56 | Kobaz | too late |
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| 15:41.53 | Kobaz | eh |
| 15:41.55 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 15:46.20 | Kobaz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 202 Nov 29 2002 .profile |
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| 15:46.29 | Kobaz | heh, that's kinda the last time i really touched this machine |
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| 15:53.31 | batouzo | hello |
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| 15:53.50 | batouzo | so I discovered grub is poorly documented stack 'o shit |
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| 15:54.05 | batouzo | or that I fail at google and internet, either way, how to install grub from livecd |
| 15:54.19 | babilen | !tell batouzo -about fixmbr |
| 15:54.45 | batouzo | oh, "then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" |
| 15:55.00 | batouzo | this information appears to be missing, or not clearly told, in every man and tutorial! thanks. |
| 15:55.03 | babilen | batouzo: Grub2 is configured in /etc/default/grub and you find it documented in "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" |
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| 15:55.28 | baffled | Could somebody identify where debian sid detects and initializes the alsa drivers? I want to try building them into initramfs. |
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| 15:57.48 | ircD6 | wonders if compiling older debian source files in squeeze will make them squeeze compatible... not breat synaptic ? |
| 15:57.56 | ircD6 | break |
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| 16:02.41 | abrotman | ircD6: such as ? |
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| 16:03.41 | ircD6 | abrotman well... I have an application from Etch... can find source files... and it does install ok in Squeeze, with the exception that it messes up synaptic |
| 16:04.03 | ircD6 | does install from deb files I mean |
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| 16:04.41 | abrotman | ircD6: an application ? |
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| 16:05.52 | ircD6 | abrotman yes... xzgv but before you tell me squeeze has xzgv... the current version is non functional... they removed stuff... stated also in their documentation... so I want the original version |
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| 16:06.37 | abrotman | ircD6: all i can say is grab the source packages, and try to build it .. |
| 16:07.00 | ircD6 | abrotman OK I'll try that then, and thanks. |
| 16:07.03 | abrotman | ircD6: but have you tried eog as a replacement ? |
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| 16:07.35 | ircD6 | eog... hmm... I did look for similar... will look at eog again, and rethanks |
| 16:07.58 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 16:09.23 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: No prob. I say stupid stuff sometimes. |
| 16:09.51 | abrotman | so do i! |
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| 16:16.04 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 16:16.31 | johnfg | Is remmina available for lenny? I did a search for it in synaptic, but it wasn't there. |
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| 16:16.48 | johnfg | I use it in squeeze and like some of its options. |
| 16:16.55 | onryo | lol, just did a netinst of only "base" so I am only cli. Why is there no sudoers file under /etc ? |
| 16:17.11 | arghx | onryo: cause you set a root password |
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| 16:17.30 | onryo | arghx but I also made a user? |
| 16:17.36 | arghx | and? |
| 16:17.42 | johnfg | onryo, As root, run visudo and then add whom you will... |
| 16:18.30 | onryo | arghx johnfg thx guys. |
| 16:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | onryo: Or add your user to the sudo group which is the intended method. |
| 16:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | onryo: Actually, you may need to install sudo. |
| 16:20.02 | somiaj | johnfg: packages.debian.org/remmina -- doesn't appear to be. You could try to backport it to lenny (though most will suggest you update your lenny machines to squeeze since lenny will loose security support in the near future) |
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| 16:21.14 | onryo | jhutchin1_lt, ah lol so sudo needs to be installed. Well you learn something everyday. Thought that was in base. I tried usermod -a -G onryo sudo and poof... zippo! |
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| 16:23.17 | Roland- | hello, question: any ways to expand the / partition ( it's lvm ) to the max allocated space? |
| 16:23.20 | mosths | Hello |
| 16:23.31 | mosths | Anyone familiar with tightvnc sserver on debian |
| 16:24.19 | mosths | If i access tightvnc from my windows client copy function doesn't work! |
| 16:24.21 | onryo | jhujhiti, yup you were right. I needed to install sudo |
| 16:25.12 | babilen | onryo: You could also just add your user to the "sudo" group if you are aiming for a "ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" configuration anyway. You, obviously, also need to install sudo for this to work. |
| 16:25.33 | mosths | ie. clipboard transfer doesnt work |
| 16:25.34 | babilen | Ah, you figured it all out in the meanwhile :) |
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| 16:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | onryo: Yeah, that provides a base sudoers file that has the group enabled. |
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| 16:27.32 | onryo | babilen, thing was that I only installed base. Nothing blinky like graphics etc. The cmd sudo was not included in base. So I just installed it as su. "apt-get install sudo" |
| 16:27.47 | hrundel50 | Is Debian gonna go Upstart or Systemd? Does anyone know? |
| 16:28.32 | onryo | and all is working and good now =D |
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| 16:31.06 | jordanm | hrundel50: it already went insserv |
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| 16:31.38 | gribouille | hi |
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| 16:32.20 | jordanm | hrundel50: there has been testing with systemd, you can search through the debian-devel list archives |
| 16:32.21 | dax | So I fail miserably at PHP coding and my apache2 error.log is now 576MB. How do I manually rotate a log file? |
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| 16:32.53 | hrundel50 | jordanm: um. Wait. what's insserv? |
| 16:33.05 | arghx | dax: why isn't it rotating automatically? |
| 16:33.16 | hrundel50 | jordanm: Is this an alternative to ustart and systemd? |
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| 16:33.49 | dax | arghx: It is, I'd just like to manually do an out-of-schedule rotation so I'm not doing 'less' on half a gigabyte of log file from now until the next scheduled rotation. |
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| 16:34.10 | arghx | hrundel50: simple sysvinit with something tagged on for dependency based boot |
| 16:34.15 | gribouille | in /etc/network/interfaces, for eth0, Input "pre-up /etc/iptables.rules.sh | iptables-restore", but when I type sudo iptables -L, there are no rules. what does that mean? |
| 16:34.27 | jordanm | hrundel50: its more like upstart than systemd. it was developed by suse |
| 16:34.42 | jordanm | dax: /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf will force a run of logrotate |
| 16:34.48 | dax | jordanm: thanks |
| 16:34.53 | jordanm | dax: or you can just clear it with "> /path/to/log" |
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| 16:35.47 | hrundel50 | jordanm: ghhhmm. I'd rather see unified boot system on all distros but I guess that's not happening. |
| 16:35.50 | bmomjian | I just installed Debian Squeeze and have no networking configured and don't have an icon on my desktop to configure it; any ideas? I tried adding it to the panel but can't find it |
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| 16:36.22 | jordanm | hrundel50: that could end up systemd eventually, but not for a long while |
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| 16:36.35 | jhutchins_lt | debian's pretty good about not getting caught up in the latest Ubuntu fads. |
| 16:36.50 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: RHEL uses upstart now |
| 16:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: So set up your networking. What kind do you use? |
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| 16:37.32 | gribouille | what is the syntax of the commands in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:37.43 | gribouille | can I put any shell command? |
| 16:37.44 | bmomjian | well, the odd thing is that when I first booted it did dhcp and worked fine, but now there is no network icon and no ip address shows with ifconfig -a |
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| 16:38.26 | bmomjian | now even on a fresh boot there is no network configuration at all |
| 16:38.50 | jhutchins_lt | gribouille: See man interfaces |
| 16:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: What kind of networking? |
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| 16:39.24 | bmomjian | wired, sorry |
| 16:39.26 | gribouille | jhutchins_lt, that what I did |
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| 16:39.58 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: In that case you wouldn't need network-manager, just either dhcp or a fixed address in /etc/interfaces |
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| 16:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: You would want to disable and probably remove network-manager and it's applet. |
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| 16:41.17 | jhutchins_lt | bmomjian: Sorry, that's /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:41.27 | bmomjian1 | ok, I looked at that |
| 16:41.41 | bmomjian1 | and am looking now, though I am confused why it worked the first boots, and not now |
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| 16:43.53 | gribouille | can someone help me with /etc/network/interfaces please? |
| 16:43.53 | Arrowmaster | whats the easiest way to purge this abomination known as gnome3 from my system and install xfce |
| 16:46.37 | gribouille | can someone help me with /etc/network/interfaces please? |
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| 16:46.54 | EagleRock | !tell gribouille about interfaces |
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| 16:48.20 | gribouille | in the command for pre-up, can I put shell meta-charactres lile | ? |
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| 16:49.49 | gribouille | in the command for pre-up, can I put shell meta-charactres lile | ? |
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| 16:51.22 | bmomjian | OK, I got it working in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:52.16 | gribouille | in the command for pre-up, can I put shell meta-charactres lile | ? |
| 16:52.23 | EagleRock | !repeat |
| 16:52.23 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:52.45 | paxed | does flash not work with pulseaudio at all? |
| 16:52.47 | gribouille | can't someone answer such a simple question? |
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| 16:53.26 | abrotman | gribouille: repeating your question every two minutes is annoying |
| 16:53.34 | abrotman | gribouille: which version of linux is this? |
| 16:53.44 | gribouille | abrotman, ubuntu |
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| 16:54.16 | abrotman | annoying and in the wrong channel |
| 16:54.45 | SPF | I have no idea how those people end up in here |
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| 17:09.14 | hamza_ | hello guys, my d. testing installation automagically switched to gnome 3 |
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| 17:09.34 | hamza_ | it seems like a major switch: is there anything i should do ? |
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| 17:09.54 | ksk | reinstall debian ;) |
| 17:09.55 | hamza_ | like removing something obsolete |
| 17:09.57 | hamza_ | ksk: no way |
| 17:10.11 | hamza_ | i'm using the same installation since 4 years or so |
| 17:10.15 | hamza_ | on my laptop |
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| 17:11.11 | hamza_ | i won't do it since i don't have time |
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| 17:11.28 | cubixx | hy |
| 17:12.00 | cubixx | i have a problem with my fresh installed squeeze |
| 17:12.20 | cubixx | a wanted to install pidgin from testing |
| 17:12.41 | cubixx | with apt-get -t testing install pidgin |
| 17:12.52 | cubixx | but wont work |
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| 17:13.12 | tvm | is there an error message ? |
| 17:13.29 | cubixx | yes |
| 17:13.31 | cubixx | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 17:13.34 | cubixx | this |
| 17:13.43 | cubixx | a found a bug |
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| 17:13.51 | tvm | so, report it. |
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| 17:14.18 | themill | cubixx: how about sticking the entire output in a pastebin |
| 17:14.27 | cubixx | but it was closed |
| 17:14.37 | cubixx | okay |
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| 17:15.19 | themill | predicts this is not going to go well |
| 17:15.19 | boudiccas | cubixx; what was closed? |
| 17:15.24 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds like the kind of problem you'd expect with frankendebian. |
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| 17:15.52 | cubixx | the bugreport |
| 17:15.57 | cubixx | sorry for my english |
| 17:16.01 | cubixx | im hungarian |
| 17:16.08 | cubixx | and i caant speak very well |
| 17:16.16 | themill | cubixx: actually, if this is a fresh install of squeeze... don't bother with the pastebin, just reinstall squeeze from scratch and don't ever put anything else in your sources.list |
| 17:16.32 | bytesaber_work | im hungry |
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| 17:16.50 | cubixx | but i need the new pidgin and iceweasel |
| 17:17.07 | themill | cubixx: you can get a new iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net; you do not "need" either. |
| 17:17.13 | cubixx | http://pastebin.com/Ey5FaWvr |
| 17:17.13 | jordanm | ,versions pidgin |
| 17:17.15 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b1; wheezy: 2.10.0-1+b1 |
| 17:17.26 | cubixx | this is my output |
| 17:18.16 | themill | cubixx: just reinstall squeeze. |
| 17:18.33 | jordanm | ,checkbackport pidgin |
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| 17:18.37 | judd | Backporting package pidgin in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.11.0-2). |
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| 17:19.55 | cubixx | then this cannot be resolved? |
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| 17:20.27 | cubixx | without reinstall debian |
| 17:20.31 | cubixx | ? |
| 17:20.32 | tvm | themill: isn't this solution kind of harsh ? |
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| 17:21.30 | themill | tvm: a damned sight easier than spending an hour or so trying to fix a broken apt and broken perl |
| 17:21.38 | arghx | tvm: "if it's a fresh install", then yes a reinstall is faster. if it's a 5 year old installation with lots of data, cruft and settings, then saving it makes more sense |
| 17:21.56 | themill | tvm: particularly when cubixx's first line was " i have a problem with my fresh installed squeeze" |
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| 17:22.02 | tvm | themill, arghx: okay, i missed the part about fresh install. |
| 17:22.30 | themill | even if it weren't, a broken perl like that is going to be a hideous amount of work to fix, I suspect. |
| 17:22.42 | cubixx | but that i make a reinstall |
| 17:22.47 | cubixx | how can this help me? |
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| 17:23.35 | cubixx | i succeed to install the new firefox |
| 17:23.46 | cubixx | but pidgin brokes with perl |
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| 17:24.29 | coppermine | apt-get install webcam-server doesnt work |
| 17:24.32 | coppermine | i see it all over the net |
| 17:24.34 | coppermine | has it been removed? |
| 17:25.25 | mrverrall | coppermine: available in sid and lenny |
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| 17:25.34 | themill | !dbugs 569356 |
| 17:25.39 | dpkg | DONE:#569356:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: webcam-server -- RoQA; obsolete, dead upstream (); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:39:05 UTC [] |
| 17:25.41 | themill | only in lenny, actually. |
| 17:25.49 | coppermine | can i pull it in? |
| 17:25.51 | coppermine | what owuld i do |
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| 17:26.10 | cubixx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639290 |
| 17:26.15 | cubixx | i found that bugreport |
| 17:26.23 | cubixx | but it doesnt solved anything |
| 17:26.29 | cubixx | and its closed |
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| 17:26.51 | boudiccas | cubixx; then reopen it |
| 17:27.14 | themill | no, don't |
| 17:27.20 | themill | cubixx: the solution is "don't do that" |
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| 17:27.23 | cyclonite873 | Is there any place I can get a list of ported and working packages for debian GNU/Hurd ? |
| 17:27.38 | boudiccas | themill; don't? should he then open a fresh bugreport then? |
| 17:27.49 | themill | boudiccas: no. There is no bug here. |
| 17:27.51 | cubixx | themill: then what is the solution? |
| 17:27.59 | boudiccas | themill; ah right |
| 17:28.02 | themill | cubixx: reinstall squeeze. Don't mix repositories. |
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| 17:28.21 | cubixx | but i have to |
| 17:28.28 | mrverrall | coppermine, not sure maybe look at cvlc if that will meet your requirements |
| 17:28.43 | cubixx | becouse the packages in stable ar very old |
| 17:28.55 | coppermine | i need to stream video from a usb webcam in real time |
| 17:28.57 | coppermine | would cvlc work? |
| 17:29.00 | themill | cubixx: no they're not. |
| 17:29.12 | jordanm | cubixx: what does pidgin 2.10 have that you need? |
| 17:29.26 | mrverrall | coppermine, I'm sure it would, but don't ask me how! |
| 17:29.28 | cubixx | file transfer with yahoo |
| 17:29.43 | coppermine | E: Unable to locate package cvlc |
| 17:29.53 | mrverrall | Oh, it's part of vlc |
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| 17:30.01 | bindi | hallo |
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| 17:30.20 | bindi | if I recompile my current kernel, is it possible to receive the next kernel offered in the debian repos automatically? |
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| 17:30.59 | bindi | need 1000Hz kernel for a gameserver, but my concerns are security holes |
| 17:31.05 | bindi | and their patches |
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| 17:32.36 | mrverrall | coppermine, correction, it is in vlc-nox |
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| 17:37.18 | Ziber | Using ~/.ssh/config, I'm attempting to create an SSH alias to a remote host ( http://pastebin.com/50Syf6Eq ). When trying to use it, I get "ssh: connect to host bravo.liber.in port 30: Invalid argument". I read something about BindAddress not supported if some sshd_config option is set, would anyone know what option that is? |
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| 17:39.52 | cubixx | i installed from stable |
| 17:40.00 | cubixx | thanks for help |
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| 17:44.14 | orl | Hi! |
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| 17:44.32 | Roland- | anyone know how to remove a partition from a lvm group on a mounted / filesystem? adding it was ok |
| 17:44.54 | orl | I'm trying to upgrade a wheezy machine, that I didn't upgrade for a long time, and I'm stopped by an error on xfce4-session: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: 3: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: dpkg-maintscript-helper: not found |
| 17:45.08 | orl | And now, I cannot install/reinstall/purge that package (xfce4-session) |
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| 17:46.21 | arghx | orl: reinstall dpkg deb package with dpkg |
| 17:46.31 | orl | OK, thanks |
| 17:46.36 | arghx | the current one from wheezy that is |
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| 17:47.49 | EagleRock | Roland-: could you rephrase your question? I'm not quite understanding it |
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| 17:49.16 | orl | arghx: yes |
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| 17:49.19 | zyg | Hi! How do I go from aptitude install xfonts-foo to rxvt -fn '-*-some-foo-font-*' ? |
| 17:49.30 | orl | wow! it's pretty hardcore, now.... dpkg breaks dpkg-dev...... |
| 17:50.03 | arghx | orl: you will have to fix your dependencies again of course |
| 17:50.13 | orl | yes, it's gonna be quite hard.... |
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| 17:52.09 | Roland- | EagleRock I have /dev/sda3 part of a lvm group and I want to remove it. but the lvm group is the / filesystem |
| 17:52.27 | themill | zyg: xlsfonts |
| 17:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | As valdyn said yesterday, it's mere coincidence if testing is functional today. |
| 17:52.58 | orl | arghx: seems that it works |
| 17:53.00 | orl | thanks a lot |
| 17:53.21 | EagleRock | Roland-: so in other words, you want to remove a physical volume from your root volume group? |
| 17:53.25 | zyg | themill: how do I know what fonts in that list is provided by package xfonts-foo? |
| 17:53.35 | Roland- | it was added after... |
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| 17:53.55 | themill | zyg: xlsfonts|grep foo, if you're lucky ;) dpkg -L xfonts-foo might help too. |
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| 17:54.10 | abrotman | !flw |
| 17:54.10 | dpkg | <Angel-SL> BASH WONT START <stew> Angel-SL: you probably hosed one of yoru dot files <Angel-SL> i'm going to logout and in = Angel-SL [n=angelsl@cm162.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] quit |
| 17:54.11 | themill | jhutchins_lt: for "testing", that's overly pessimistic. testing is usually only deliberately broken for a few packages (through removals) once every few months. |
| 17:54.14 | onryo | just compiled xfce 4.8 with its extras for Debian. Was wondering what the recommended software downloaded should be. |
| 17:54.33 | onryo | down load center ... blah |
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| 17:55.00 | EagleRock | Roland-: assume you have enough drive space without that pv, run a vgreduce on your volume group |
| 17:55.00 | bindi | if I recompile my current kernel, is it possible to receive the next kernel offered in the debian repos automatically? |
| 17:55.03 | bindi | need 1000Hz kernel for a gameserver, but my concerns are security holes |
| 17:55.09 | EagleRock | s/assume/assuming/ |
| 17:55.10 | deadalnix | How does debian people compile GCC since testing ? |
| 17:55.23 | Womkes | bindi you should look into setting up some system where you compile your own kernel with new updates |
| 17:55.34 | Womkes | and distributing it automatically |
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| 17:55.38 | Womkes | over the server you have |
| 17:55.41 | jackinthebox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.42 | bindi | Womkes: sounds complicated :p |
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| 17:55.53 | arghx | !tell jackinthebox about crunchbang |
| 17:56.01 | Womkes | that's how my colleague did it at my gsp company |
| 17:56.06 | jhutchins_lt | bindi: Yes, you can keep the stock kernel installed, and you will get updates, but it will not switch to the updated kernel automatically. |
| 17:56.08 | Womkes | not that complicated |
| 17:56.11 | bindi | I'm looking for some direct answers/solutions, not more research :p |
| 17:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | bindi: (Or at least it shouldn't.) |
| 17:56.17 | Womkes | only a few settings that need to be changed |
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| 17:57.18 | Roland- | next question, is by any way posible to crate a partition out of the free space on that drive as a batch job? |
| 17:57.21 | EagleRock | Roland-: you're not responding, so i don't know if this is correct, but pvmove, vgreduce, then pvremove should work |
| 17:57.38 | bindi | jhutchins_lt: the problem is the switching to it automatically :p |
| 17:57.43 | onryo | bindi after the silk worm crossed the himalas and found enlightenment ... =P |
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| 17:57.51 | bindi | lol wat. |
| 17:58.08 | Roland- | EagleRock I have tried some of those none will let me do it on / filesystem I am reinstalling this vps. |
| 17:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | bindi: To do that you'll have to get the packaging right. |
| 17:58.11 | onryo | bindi j/k I know how you feel with all that RTFM stuff |
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| 17:59.27 | EagleRock | Roland-: using a debian rescue CD should do the trick as well if reinstalling involves too much data recovery |
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| 17:59.36 | bindi | jhutchins_lt: my linux experience on advanced stuff like this is limited to what the guides say :D |
| 17:59.57 | zyg | themill: thanks.. I had rehash the fonts, I see them now as part of the package name. |
| 18:00.19 | themill | excellent |
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| 18:04.55 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 18:05.43 | orl | Actually, I was upgrading cause I cannot compile anything and I don't know why. I get this error: internal compiler error: Erreur de segmentation (i.e segfault) on several programs I'm trying to build |
| 18:06.45 | orl | really can't understand what happens, btw |
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| 18:09.10 | orl | MrMind: I think it is |
| 18:09.40 | MrMind | okey, it's empty by default so |
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| 18:14.30 | Escherial | hello; i'm admining a server that's running debian lenny and i'd like to upgrade to something more current (preferably a dev branch rather than the stable one i'm on now). is there any way to do that remotely, or do i need physical access to the machine? |
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| 18:15.06 | thisthat | you can just change your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 18:15.07 | petemc | Escherial: you should be able to do it remotely, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:15.30 | thisthat | then do dist-upgrade |
| 18:15.34 | ws2k3 | Dulak are u there? |
| 18:15.40 | thisthat | may be more steps involved |
| 18:15.51 | arghx | Escherial: what kernel does this remote server run right now? uname -r |
| 18:16.13 | Escherial | arghx: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 18:16.18 | themill | Escherial: "server" and "dev branch" aren't a good combination. |
| 18:16.27 | Escherial | themill: it's just for my personal use |
| 18:16.31 | arghx | Escherial: just checking. stuff like VPS might not be able to upgrade to squeeze |
| 18:16.34 | themill | Escherial: you're also not on stable at present, you're on oldstable. |
| 18:17.06 | Escherial | yeah, i'm a little behind the times on debian releases, sadly :\ |
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| 18:17.41 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 18:17.42 | Escherial | thanks in advance for all the help, everyone :) i'll give dpkg's response a try |
| 18:17.48 | lancelot_of | how to install intel fortran on debian? |
| 18:17.52 | themill | Escherial: not a problem -- lenny is still supported. But there's no point in upgrading a server past stable. Even for personal use, I presume that security updates are of interest to you. |
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| 18:18.00 | arghx | Escherial: it's good that you run a stable branch: if you run testing or sid, and don't update every few months at the latest, big problems crop up |
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| 18:18.35 | themill | lancelot_of: do intel not provide useful instructions on how to do that? |
| 18:18.38 | arghx | Escherial: with debian stable you can not care for a much much longer time. depending on the services you run, years |
| 18:18.59 | unkmar | when I disable bluetooth I am unable to re-enable it. |
| 18:19.16 | unkmar | I'm forced to reboot? |
| 18:19.16 | Escherial | i realize there are a lot of perks, but i find myself very frequently needing software that hasn't been backported to lenny (python 2.7, for instance) |
| 18:19.35 | ws2k3 | which which command i can search my console log? |
| 18:19.41 | Escherial | i'll be more on top of updates once i'm not running a stable branch, i imagine |
| 18:19.47 | petemc | ws2k3: grep |
| 18:19.49 | themill | Escherial: as I said -- run squeeze instead. And there's not really much in python2.7 that doesn't work with python2.6 |
| 18:19.54 | ws2k3 | petemc not tail? |
| 18:20.04 | DammitJim | ws2k3, tail is only for the last part of the file |
| 18:20.06 | ws2k3 | which file is the console log? |
| 18:20.07 | petemc | no, tail is for tailing logs |
| 18:20.07 | themill | ws2k3: "history"? |
| 18:20.10 | ws2k3 | aah oke |
| 18:20.18 | petemc | or files.. |
| 18:20.37 | ws2k3 | which fuile is the console log? |
| 18:20.40 | ws2k3 | which file? |
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| 18:20.52 | DammitJim | ws2k3, you mean your history? |
| 18:20.55 | DammitJim | of commands? |
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| 18:21.04 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 18:21.07 | DammitJim | ~/.bash_history |
| 18:21.09 | ws2k3 | history of commands yes |
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| 18:21.10 | DammitJim | at least that's on mine |
| 18:21.14 | themill | ws2k3: it's not necessarily in a file at all |
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| 18:21.54 | DammitJim | lol... I've been using linux for a decade now and just 3 months ago I learned the power of ! |
| 18:21.56 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 18:22.05 | ws2k3 | how should i run a grap on it? |
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| 18:22.23 | ws2k3 | grep ~/.bash_history pcap |
| 18:22.24 | DammitJim | ws2k3, grep "text you are looking for" filename.log |
| 18:22.24 | ws2k3 | doesnt work |
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| 18:22.43 | DammitJim | first of all, do you have a ~/.bash_history file? |
| 18:22.48 | seicherlbob | hi there! I'm having some issues with rdiffbackup. I'm mounting an ntfs share and run rdiffbackup from within debian. Now on some days, i have strange diffs for almost all files, that only contain some symbols like: "rs^B6G^@^@" does anybody have a clue, what that means? most of these files did not change but rdiff backup thinks so. |
| 18:22.49 | themill | ws2k3: that depends on what you want to do. We don't know that... "history | grep pcap" in the shell where you ran it might be more successful |
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| 18:23.10 | lancelot_of | themill i supposed debian had a specific distro package for it.it seems to be not free from intel website |
| 18:23.11 | DammitJim | oh yeah, themill has a simpler way of doing this w/o doing the grep thing against the file |
| 18:23.12 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 18:23.40 | themill | lancelot_of: very non-free and certainly not in debian. |
| 18:24.22 | ws2k3 | how far does it go back ? |
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| 18:25.03 | themill | ws2k3: "history" is only the history of that shell. ~/.bash_history is limited to 500 lines by default and won't contain the history of all shells |
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| 18:25.31 | Escherial | i'm a little lost on how i'm supposed to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ...do i just remove all the existing entries and add the squeeze sources? this is my file so far: http://dpaste.org/7EoJE/ |
| 18:26.03 | Escherial | should i just add the apt internet sources listed here?: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
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| 18:26.46 | drac_h | Escherial: rename your current file for backup and copy-paste new |
| 18:26.50 | themill | change lines 6-10,18 with s/lenny/squeeze/; change volatile to "/msg dpkg squeeze-updates"; comment out backports. |
| 18:26.54 | ws2k3 | bash_history is only the currety history |
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| 18:26.59 | ws2k3 | is ther enot a permenent history? |
| 18:27.10 | themill | dpkg: tell ws2k3 about bash eternal history |
| 18:27.10 | ws2k3 | bash_history is only since the last reboot |
| 18:27.40 | Escherial | ok, sounds good; thanks, both of you |
| 18:28.30 | ws2k3 | well thats not what i search |
| 18:28.33 | ws2k3 | for that its to late now |
| 18:28.41 | ws2k3 | i remember there was a permentat bash log |
| 18:29.03 | pumafyre | Good Morning. I'm having a problem with my Dell Latitude e5400 being unable to reconnect to my wifi after the computer has been suspended. Running Debian Squeeze. |
| 18:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: What do you use to manage the connection? |
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| 18:31.22 | pumafyre | jhutchin1_lt: KDE Network Manager. I'm not using wicd, and I'm new so if you need more information, ask :) |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | might want to look in dmesg |
| 18:31.30 | ws2k3 | how can i log a connection to a file with tcpdump? |
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| 18:31.53 | drac_h | jhutchins_lt: what does debian use for wifi mgmt by default? |
| 18:32.02 | abrotman | ws2k3: oddly, man tcpdump |
| 18:32.08 | ws2k3 | rofl |
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| 18:32.11 | abrotman | drac_h: depends on your interface |
| 18:32.14 | cmeiklejohn | hello |
| 18:33.07 | cmeiklejohn | just had a quick question -- i just downgraded to stable from unstable and when running unstable and plugging in an external monitor gnomne would automatially extend the desktop to the other monitor -- now it doesn't. did i lose a configuration option along the way or is this a feature only in the upstream branch.... |
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| 18:33.25 | drac_h | abrotman: there is no single interface to manage all different wifi cards? |
| 18:33.48 | abrotman | drac_h: i suppose you could use the interfaces file for all . |
| 18:34.14 | abrotman | drac_h: but gnome and kde have network-manager AFAIK, many people use wicd with lxde .. |
| 18:34.15 | unkmar | why does an attempt at restarting bluetooth require a reboot? |
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| 18:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | drac_h: Whatever you tell it to. |
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| 18:37.23 | drac_h | looks like wide choice of different tools and interfaces for doing the same thing is not good for newbies |
| 18:37.28 | jhutchins_lt | drac_h: If you need to manage wifi connections actively, you would make sure you had network-manager and desktop applet or CLI interface you needed. |
| 18:37.53 | abrotman | drac_h: it works fine .. i use n-m and wicd and interfaces .. they have docs .. not hard to switch between them |
| 18:37.59 | drac_h | or maybe its just me |
| 18:38.04 | abrotman | maybe it is :) |
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| 18:39.39 | unkmar | !bluetooth |
| 18:39.39 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
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| 18:39.50 | jhutchins_lt | drac_h: If you want your choices locked down for new-user friendliness perhaps Debian isn't your best choice. |
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| 18:40.17 | jhutchins_lt | drac_h: I think n-m is the default. |
| 18:40.19 | damianfrancis | I have just created a new ubuntu 10.04 server in Rackspace and I was looking at the fstab, and noticing that does not use /dev/sda for the name of the disk. Instead it is something new to me, /dev/xvdc has anyone ever seen that? |
| 18:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | drac_h: wicd was a useful alternative for when n-m was having teething pains, but n-m seems to work more often these days. |
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| 18:40.46 | drac_h | I like debian's minimalistic approach on servers |
| 18:40.48 | arghx | damianfrancis: and this is a debian question how? |
| 18:40.50 | tomodachi | damianfrancis: this is how virtual machines name devices nowdays |
| 18:41.02 | rotflcopter | i got an ati 9000 agp card :) ain't it cool? |
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| 18:41.06 | tomodachi | damianfrancis: its the same for my xen hosts |
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| 18:41.48 | damianfrancis | k thx tomodachi |
| 18:43.59 | Dulak | ws2k3: what's up? |
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| 18:49.26 | seicherlbob | can someone help me with rdiff-backup? it creates strange diffs of binary files that have not been changed. source is an NTFS partition mounted on the debian server that runs the rdiffbackup. even txt files that have not been changed generate the same sometimes odd diffs. |
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| 18:51.24 | johnfg | hey guys |
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| 18:51.48 | johnfg | Where do I give root permission to use ftp on a server? |
| 18:51.59 | Ziber | why would you want to? |
| 18:52.00 | jordanm | seicherlbob: rsync will likely not work properly on a NTFS filesystem due to the metadata being non-UNIX |
| 18:52.34 | seicherlbob | jordanm: the meta-data is not so importaint. we need the files. the permissions are secondary. |
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| 18:52.43 | arghx | johnfg: bad idea. you would transmit a root password in the clear to log in to ftp. please use ssh with scp instead |
| 18:52.58 | jordanm | seicherlbob: rsync uses metadata to determine if a file has changed |
| 18:53.00 | drac_h | johnfg: try using group permissions instead of root |
| 18:53.17 | Supaplex | ftp is so 1980 |
| 18:53.26 | jordanm | perhaps it would work with --size-only, but I don't know if rdiff-backup supports that |
| 18:53.27 | valdyn | seicherlbob: rsync should diff just fine, not give weird diffs, even on ntfs |
| 18:54.04 | drac_h | jordanm: maybe you can mount ntfs with noatime or similar option |
| 18:54.20 | jordanm | valdyn: I haven't used NTFS in a long time on linux, is mtime properly read? |
| 18:54.26 | seicherlbob | valdyn: i get stuff like: "rs^B6F^@^M^G^@" in the diff of an obviously unchanged binary |
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| 18:55.01 | valdyn | jordanm: i dont know, but it does not explain the strange diff behaviour |
| 18:55.10 | mfaroukg | does the VPN pptp has problem with 64 bit linux ? |
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| 18:55.28 | drac_h | jordanm: also, it could be a bug or known feature :) |
| 18:55.29 | valdyn | seicherlbob: i cant explain it. |
| 18:55.32 | jordanm | valdyn: mtime is the first check that is made, so if mtime doesn't work properly, its going to backup the file everytime |
| 18:55.45 | valdyn | jordanm: that would be ok, but i cant see it doing that |
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| 18:56.04 | seicherlbob | jordanm: well, the mtime on the latest version of the file is some day in 2009. |
| 18:56.08 | rotflcopter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.31 | valdyn | rotflcopter: depends |
| 18:56.42 | seicherlbob | rotflcopter: get rid of agp and use pci-e. nowadays they are even cheaper in most cases |
| 18:56.45 | drac_h | jordanm: maybe something like windows search or some backup software touches the files on win side |
| 18:56.46 | valdyn | rotflcopter: for displaying graphics there might be no difference |
| 18:57.09 | _martin | atm im compiling btw configuring perl with ./configure . the configure script asks me "Operating system version? [2.6.17.14readynas]" lsb_release -a will return " LSB Version: n/a, Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux Release: 3.1 Codename: sarge" so i should use instead of 2.6.17 3.1? |
| 18:57.15 | rotflcopter | hmm, and fill rate willbe the same for example? |
| 18:57.27 | valdyn | rotflcopter: the primary advantage of pcie might be price and defenitely is *bidiretional* high speed. That the speed from card to computer is not needed for gfx cards |
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| 18:57.33 | seicherlbob | drac_h: that might explain that the "changes" to all files are at the same say. |
| 18:57.40 | jordanm | seicherlbob: why does the linux server have a locally mounted NTFS partition anyways? |
| 18:57.48 | seicherlbob | jordanm: virtualization |
| 18:58.29 | valdyn | rotflcopter: should be the same for most cards i guess. I cant say of anything really saturates agp |
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| 18:58.34 | jordanm | seicherlbob: what virtualization software doesn't support its own method of snapshotting? |
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| 18:58.36 | seicherlbob | jordanm: it has a virtual windows server. we pause the machine, take a snapshot and run various backup-stategies on the snapshots. |
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| 18:58.49 | seicherlbob | jordanm: snapshot is not increment ;) |
| 18:59.01 | rotflcopter | ok thanks |
| 18:59.04 | valdyn | rotflcopter: im sure theres benchmarks on the intarwebs |
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| 18:59.44 | valdyn | rotflcopter: stuff like video decoding or encoding can *also* be done by gfx cards and might benefit from pci-e though |
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| 19:00.00 | rotflcopter | so i guess a simple double buffered graphic display will not saturate my ati-9000 agp |
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| 19:00.03 | arghx | valdyn: any which can do this in debian? |
| 19:00.09 | valdyn | rotflcopter: ( well, decoding is obviously way below the limits ) |
| 19:00.23 | valdyn | arghx: encoding? i have nfc |
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| 19:00.24 | jordanm | seicherlbob: I would probably use some time of windows backup software from withing the VM. as far as your problem, I would test in with plain rsync to see if the problem lies in the rdiff wrapper, or rsync itself |
| 19:00.39 | arghx | valdyn: decoding |
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| 19:00.49 | valdyn | arghx: nvidia cards |
| 19:00.58 | drac_h | seicherlbob: why dont you use windows backup tools (wbadmin/ntbackup) which work reliably with ntfs, acls and stuff? |
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| 19:01.08 | arghx | valdyn: just the easier part alone. cause: I don't really see anything that actually does it. nearest comes vdpau from nvidia which is not debian |
| 19:01.13 | valdyn | arghx: intel probably too, im not following recent develpments there |
| 19:01.18 | Tenkawa | Anyone messed with installing debian on an acer iconia tablet? |
| 19:01.36 | arghx | valdyn: there is software, but no debian support afaik, probably not even in testing |
| 19:01.49 | arghx | intel would be vaapi btw |
| 19:02.02 | seicherlbob | drac_h: because of the centralization of backing up snapshots, dumps, increments. |
| 19:02.05 | valdyn | arghx: libvdpau is not in debian/non-free since when? |
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| 19:02.46 | jordanm | seicherlbob: you can backup a windows server using windows backup software to storage on linux |
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| 19:03.13 | jordanm | seicherlbob: if the software doesn't support it directly, you make the backup location a samba share and mount it inside of your VM |
| 19:03.14 | Arrowmaster | i just did a fresh install of wheezy in a vm and tasks in aptitude are showing up differently than my main install of wheezy, my main install seems to have old data, any idea how to fix this |
| 19:03.26 | seicherlbob | jordanm: yes, but the jobcontrol is harder. you have to synchronize effectivly 2 different machines to not interfer with eachother. |
| 19:03.56 | jordanm | seicherlbob: which is a good reason to use a multi-platform backup solution |
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| 19:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | There are backup engines for Windows that are part of Linux/OS backup packages. |
| 19:04.08 | seicherlbob | jordanm: thanks for your ideas and input, but i'm just a technician checking the logs ;) |
| 19:04.16 | arghx | valdyn: as I said: it's not in debian. non-free |
| 19:04.48 | arghx | valdyn: fglrx has something similar, XvBA or such btw |
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| 19:05.34 | Arrowmaster | libvdpau1 is in main |
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| 19:06.13 | valdyn | yea, not even non-free anymore, i wonder since when |
| 19:06.14 | seicherlbob | jordanm: i will keep a copy of some files and the next time rdiffbackup behaves unexpected will check these two copies with diff and rsync. thanks for your help guys. |
| 19:06.25 | Arrowmaster | they made it free a long time ago |
| 19:06.30 | arghx | Arrowmaster: but you can't use it without non-free software? how can that be? that would mean it needs to go to contrib |
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| 19:07.04 | valdyn | arghx: iffy |
| 19:07.22 | Arrowmaster | arghx: it would go into contrib if you cant install it without non-free |
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| 19:07.23 | valdyn | i suspect it can be used to develop software without non-free drivers |
| 19:07.35 | mooglenorph | Hi. I have this weird problem where sometimes, after suspend-to-ram, my external USB hd is unmounted, and other times it is not. What log should I look at to debug this? I am on squeeze. |
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| 19:07.38 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: thats circular reasoning |
| 19:08.05 | Arrowmaster | exactly, its in main so that apps can link to it without you having to install non-free software to install those apps |
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| 19:13.05 | Dulak | ws2k3: what's up? |
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| 19:14.28 | somiaj | mooglenorph: are you using pm-utils to suspend to ram? there is a pm-suspend.log in /var/log |
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| 19:32.00 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
| 19:32.17 | jandrusk | cheers |
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| 19:33.53 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; mine's a pint of guiness please, seeing as you're buying a round :) |
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| 19:34.33 | kristian-aalborg | boudiccas, I meant in in the more general sense :) |
| 19:34.45 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; boo! |
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| 19:35.11 | kristian-aalborg | did APM disappear from the debian kernel? (running 2.6.32-5-486) |
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| 19:36.02 | boudiccas | kristian-aalborg; which version of debian are you running please? |
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| 19:38.50 | lzskiss | yo |
| 19:38.51 | kristian-aalborg | boudiccas, squeeze |
| 19:39.16 | kristian-aalborg | I have written a short novel about my woes |
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| 19:40.14 | mattalexx | How can I install this on my Squeeze install? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/iceweasel |
| 19:40.20 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: url or it didn't happen :-D |
| 19:40.35 | arghx | mattalexx: mozilla.debian.net. the "release channel" |
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| 19:41.26 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: ./3.0.0-1-686-pae/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/apm.ko so doubt squeeze lacks it |
| 19:41.44 | kristian-aalborg | http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=100445 |
| 19:41.47 | loot | kristian-aalborg: at least in the current config not http://kernel.alioth.debian.org/config/2.6.32-33/config_i386_none_486 |
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| 19:41.53 | kristian-aalborg | yes |
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| 19:42.35 | kristian-aalborg | loot, I installed via netinstall, would that make a difference? |
| 19:42.51 | deadalnix | shouldn't |
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| 19:42.57 | arghx | the kernel is the same across all debian branches and arches |
| 19:43.17 | kristian-aalborg | okay |
| 19:43.20 | loot | kristian-aalborg: nah but your patchlevel is 5, there have been quite some security updates since |
| 19:43.51 | kristian-aalborg | loot, should I do something |
| 19:44.09 | loot | loop: try the to install the newer kernel, and report back |
| 19:44.10 | kristian-aalborg | or, should I do something, loot? (now with pun) |
| 19:44.13 | loot | kristian-aalborg* |
| 19:44.30 | kristian-aalborg | I did that, still no APM... it breaks pcmcia, though |
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| 19:44.48 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: is the apm module loaded? it is a module |
| 19:44.48 | kristian-aalborg | hej nikolaj_basher |
| 19:45.25 | kristian-aalborg | I can't load it... FATAL error inserting apm (lists file): No such device |
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| 19:45.50 | nikolaj_basher | kristian-aalborg, hejsa holder du også til herinde :-) |
| 19:45.57 | kristian-aalborg | APM works with DSL and DSL-N |
| 19:46.05 | kristian-aalborg | nikolaj_basher, af og til |
| 19:46.16 | kristian-aalborg | we'll return to the lingua franca now |
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| 19:46.53 | arghx | kristian-aalborg: and which kernel does dsl use? |
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| 19:47.40 | kristian-aalborg | arghx, the last DSL was on 2.4 something... but the last DSL-N(ot) was on 2.6.12 from Knoppix |
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| 19:49.56 | ws2k3 | Dulak ar eu there |
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| 19:50.54 | Dulak | ws2k3: yes |
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| 20:01.00 | jhutchins_lt | 2.6 is really too big for floppies. |
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| 20:04.13 | rotflcopter | will it have a benefit for me playing a video for example on an x1800 instead of an ati 9000 ? |
| 20:04.50 | simonlnu | i can play videos find on the radeon 9k |
| 20:04.53 | simonlnu | fine* |
| 20:05.23 | rotflcopter | so it has opensource driver with hardware aceleration ? |
| 20:05.30 | rotflcopter | *acceleration |
| 20:05.43 | simonlnu | yes, for ages now |
| 20:05.51 | rotflcopter | cool thanks |
| 20:06.01 | rotflcopter | will it work with my 3.0.3 kernel too? |
| 20:06.22 | rotflcopter | guys on kernel are sleeping |
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| 20:06.29 | jelly-home | I think I had Xvideo working on a Radeon 9200 when Xvideo was first out |
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| 20:08.11 | anddam | do I need to install grub after update-grub? |
| 20:08.23 | anddam | s/install grub/run grub-install/ |
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| 20:09.25 | arghx | anddam: no |
| 20:09.30 | anddam | thanks |
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| 20:10.03 | anddam | it's not that clear from man pages |
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| 20:10.21 | anddam | that's because grub reads from actual grub.cfg, right? |
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| 20:10.26 | bjoernb | hi. |
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| 20:12.01 | bjoernb | i am running debian wheezy and network-manager with a iwlagn driver and firmware-iwlwifi package installed. |
| 20:12.18 | anddam | I know this isn't strictly in topic: vbeinfo at grub's console doesn't show a 1280x800 mode, does this depend on the vga card? (VBox emulated guest) |
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| 20:12.40 | bjoernb | when i click the icon of network-manager wireless essids are listed, but when clicking on one of them nothing happens |
| 20:12.50 | bjoernb | the user is in the netdev group |
| 20:13.17 | bjoernb | any help would be appreciated |
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| 20:14.17 | blubberdiblub | anddam, usually installing the package grub-pc runs grub-install in its postinstall. but you can do it manually if you need to fix something or somesuch |
| 20:14.28 | ws2k3 | Dulak are u there? |
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| 20:15.35 | bjoernb | here is what happens in /var/log/syslog: http://dpaste.com/657034/ |
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| 20:19.29 | Hope_and_Che`nge | moin. |
| 20:19.58 | Hope_and_Che`nge | How do I make wget us a port other than 80? wget localhost:8080 says no route to host |
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| 20:20.31 | pizza_biz | is localhost listening on 8080? |
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| 20:24.45 | bjoernb | i cannot connect to any network with network-manager-gnome. |
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| 20:24.50 | pizza_biz | fwiw, i get connection refused, not no route to host (the latter which suggests it thinks the request is non-local). |
| 20:24.56 | bjoernb | is there something i have to configure? |
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| 20:25.40 | arghx | bjoernb: what part of the connection fails? normally it uses simple dhcp. are you using ethernet or wlan? |
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| 20:26.05 | frakt | Hi. can I install debian from USB stick to the same USB stick as I booted from? |
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| 20:26.37 | arghx | frakt: possibly if you put on several partitions |
| 20:27.22 | fVckingmania | there are some PPA repository for debian?? |
| 20:27.36 | bjoernb | arghx: i am using ethernet for this connection. nm says wired connection not managed and wireless connection disconnected. |
| 20:27.46 | frakt | arghx: ok thanks |
| 20:27.54 | jelly-home | fVckingmania: no, but please say what you're REALLY after. |
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| 20:28.19 | bjoernb | if i try to connect to an essid listed by nm nothing happens. the icon of nm-applet does not change. nothing. |
| 20:28.44 | fVckingmania | jelly-home, well a would like to update my firefox thunderbird and instantbird directly from mozilla serves |
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| 20:29.45 | jelly-home | fVckingmania: Mozilla does not provide packages for Debian. |
| 20:29.50 | arghx | bjoernb: so nm doesn't do anything. does eth0 have an ip and if so which? you can check with /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:30.17 | fVckingmania | jelly-home, aren't the same that for ubuntu?? |
| 20:30.20 | arghx | fVckingmania: you can get current icewease from mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:30.26 | jelly-home | fVckingmania: no, they're not. |
| 20:30.38 | bjoernb | arghx: eth0 has a local ip, because i plugged in a patch cable and did dhclient eth0. |
| 20:30.49 | jelly-home | fVckingmania: debian however builds rebranded packages with newer versions of (some of) their software, found at... where arghx said. |
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| 20:31.32 | arghx | bjoernb: and what is the problem then? |
| 20:31.42 | fVckingmania | arghx, but iceweasel is al ready in 8 version?? |
| 20:31.52 | arghx | fVckingmania: yes |
| 20:32.16 | arghx | fVckingmania: release channel on that site |
| 20:32.34 | bjoernb | arghx: i want to use nm for connecting to the network. that does not work. i did it by hand. |
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| 20:32.55 | bjoernb | this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://dpaste.com/657043/ |
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| 20:32.58 | arghx | bjoernb: then remove eth0 from interfaces file. man interfaces |
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| 20:33.28 | arghx | bjoernb: remove or comment out the last 2 lines |
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| 20:34.27 | bjoernb | arghx: that does it for the wired connection. thanks. how to do it for the wireless? |
| 20:35.06 | arghx | bjoernb: what wlan chip is it? |
| 20:35.41 | Hope_and_Che`nge | that is the correct syntax. turns out dhcp changed the IP. |
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| 20:35.57 | bjoernb | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 |
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| 20:36.11 | arghx | bjoernb: is the non-free firmware installed? |
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| 20:37.12 | bjoernb | firmware-iwlwifi is installed |
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| 20:38.16 | arghx | then it should work |
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| 20:38.38 | claw | using dolphin for samba shares its not asking for any credentials |
| 20:38.46 | claw | so i have no permissions to write the files |
| 20:39.06 | claw | how to login as a user and not as an guest ? |
| 20:39.25 | bjoernb | arghx: that is what i thought. but it does not. nothing happens when clicking on an essid. |
| 20:39.28 | claw | i already tried user:server user@server - thats not working |
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| 20:41.54 | ws2k3 | ll |
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| 20:45.01 | arghx | bjoernb: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
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| 20:45.55 | bjoernb | arghx: lists several essids 13 cells |
| 20:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | claw: Which release? |
| 20:46.05 | ws2k3 | well codingfreak.blogspot.com/2010/01/iptables-rate-limit-incoming. |
| 20:46.19 | arghx | bjoernb: then your wlan works and it's a nm problem |
| 20:46.19 | ws2k3 | well codingfreak.blogspot.com/2010/01/iptables-rate-limit-incoming. |
| 20:46.23 | claw | jhujhiti, wheezy |
| 20:46.32 | jhutchins_lt | claw: Ah, can't help you there. |
| 20:46.49 | jhutchins_lt | claw: #debian-next on oftc.net might be able to tell you where to set them. |
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| 20:47.20 | abrotman | claw: shouldn't you configure samba to not allow guests ? |
| 20:47.24 | jhutchins_lt | does NOT like dolphin. |
| 20:47.35 | abrotman | is there anything you like? |
| 20:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | On squeeze I can't see my samba shares for some reason. I think I need a DNS entry for the Domain. |
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| 20:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | I can browse to them by doing smb://<server> |
| 20:48.34 | abrotman | you shouldn't need dns for samba .. that's the point |
| 20:49.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I know, it's suposed to be doing wins. |
| 20:49.12 | jelly-home | you need SOME kind of name resolution tho |
| 20:49.18 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Somewhere along the line some rule changed and i missed it. |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i can maybe help you later when i get home .. grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 20:52.56 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 20:52.59 | jhutchins_lt | DNS on the local lenny server. |
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| 20:55.42 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: for starters .. you're missing the wins entry there |
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| 20:56.06 | abrotman | and maybe missing the winbind package or whatever it is |
| 20:56.20 | anddam | I used grub's gfxpayload=1280x800 option and my console has green font |
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| 20:57.52 | anddam | http://d.pr/HG2z did I inadvertently installed the Green Lantern Corp or is this color normal and I wasn't seeing it with text console? |
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| 20:58.59 | anddam | when using text console font color is grey |
| 20:59.09 | thedinasaur | and? |
| 21:00.57 | wolfman3k5 | I want to install the build-dep to build PHP 5.2 from source on Debian 6 |
| 21:01.10 | thedinasaur | gods are dead |
| 21:01.19 | wolfman3k5 | what does it mean when Aptitude places an {a} after certain package names? |
| 21:01.55 | anddam | thedinasaur: me? |
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| 21:03.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: How should the wins entry get there? |
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| 21:04.35 | thedinasaur | all of you |
| 21:05.06 | thedinasaur | boring gods are dead |
| 21:05.17 | anddam | we can thanks the remaining gods for that |
| 21:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | wolfman3k5: Should be in the man page. I think it means Automatically Installed. |
| 21:05.23 | anddam | thank* |
| 21:05.49 | anddam | is green color normal or is it due to my grub vga= option= |
| 21:06.00 | thedinasaur | stimulation of the left brain-half? |
| 21:06.03 | anddam | s/option=/option?/ |
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| 21:08.02 | wolfman3k5 | <jhutchins_lt> thank you. for some reason which doesn't make sence it wants to install MySQL server, and I don't want that. I keep MySQL on a separate server |
| 21:08.07 | wolfman3k5 | is there any way around it? |
| 21:08.23 | wolfman3k5 | to install everything it needs to build php execept for mysql? |
| 21:08.26 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: magic ? |
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| 21:10.01 | revolve | trying to install libc-ares2_1.7.5-1_i386.deb and getting "multiarch-support is not installed" |
| 21:10.22 | revolve | anyone know how to circumvent or fix that? |
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| 21:11.59 | DasEi | revolve: using a 64 bit host and no deb in 64 bit available ? |
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| 21:13.04 | wolfman3k5 | is --purge removing all config files for a package? |
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| 21:14.00 | DasEi | wolfman3k5: yes |
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| 21:14.41 | wolfman3k5 | thank you DesEi |
| 21:14.44 | wibby | Hi, how do I give my regular user account the permission to mount drives? I used to be able to do it but not anymore after a reinstall |
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| 21:15.34 | DasEi | revolve: either look for correct arch, compile from source or follow : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 21:15.42 | LSymonds | wibby, use gksudo nautilus |
| 21:15.52 | LSymonds | wibby, Then you should be able to right click -> mount. |
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| 21:16.46 | wibby | LSymonds: right, but before the reinstall all my usb drives were mounted automatically. I want that back, without entering a password everytime |
| 21:17.28 | revolve | DasEi: using the right deb for the architecture (32 bit amd sempron) |
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| 21:18.18 | LSymonds | wibby, What distro are you using? |
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| 21:19.10 | DasEi | revolve: I can't find that lib, what's it for ? |
| 21:19.15 | wibby | LSymonds: debian something, i don't know (: the most recent stable. I just looked at /etc/fstab - it as a noauto flag on each of the offending drives, i guess i'll take that away? |
| 21:19.28 | LSymonds | Try it. |
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| 21:20.22 | wibby | LSymonds: alright, now how do i know if it works? |
| 21:20.40 | LSymonds | Presumably you'd have to restart X or fstab, logout and login. |
| 21:21.13 | oitofelix | wibby: just put in your fstab the option 'user' in the lines of devices that you want to be able to mount |
| 21:21.31 | wibby | LSymonds: no can do right now. I'll check back later, thanks though! |
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| 21:21.53 | wibby | oitofelix: both devices had that option already set |
| 21:22.31 | oitofelix | wibby: that is strange |
| 21:22.50 | wibby | oitofelix: yeah it's some permissions thing |
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| 21:24.18 | anddam | can anyone confirm if font color at http://d.pr/HG2z is default or not? |
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| 21:24.31 | oitofelix | wibby: It is important to know that you don't need to restart anything to the change in fstab start to work |
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| 21:25.38 | wibby | oitofelix: alright then there's still something wrong then. double clicking on the device in nautilus (in other words: mounting it using my regular account) gives me a permission denied error |
| 21:25.55 | wolfman3k5 | I need some good documentation about how to configure apache with vhosts for hosting multiple accounts, and keep web sites in the /home folder of each user. I also want ot run PHP in FastCGI mode. Thank you. |
| 21:26.49 | oitofelix | wibby: try to do it in the command line and transliterate the system answer |
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| 21:27.27 | oitofelix | wibby: do you know how to do it? |
| 21:27.41 | wibby | mount: only root can do that |
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| 21:28.24 | wibby | oitofelix: that's all it gives me |
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| 21:29.57 | oitofelix | wibby: can you post here the fstab line related to device that you want to mount? |
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| 21:30.29 | wibby | oitofelix: /dev/sdc1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user 0 0 |
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| 21:32.26 | oitofelix | wibby: ok. you're right. fstab is ok. |
| 21:34.21 | wibby | oitofelix: when i do "ls -l /dev/sd*" the two offending devices appear belong to "floppy". i would expect them to belong to the "disk" group. they are usb drives |
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| 21:34.35 | wolfman3k5 | I need some good documentation about how to configure apache with vhosts for hosting multiple accounts, and keep web sites in the /home folder of each user. I also want ot run PHP in FastCGI mode. Thank you. |
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| 21:35.02 | oitofelix | wibby: there is no problem if you are member of floppy group. |
| 21:35.29 | oitofelix | wibby: can you give-me the system answer to command 'ls -l /dev/sdc1'? |
| 21:35.41 | wibby | oitofelix: brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 33 Nov 15 09:42 /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:36.40 | oitofelix | wibby: are you member of floppy group? |
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| 21:37.07 | wibby | oitofelix: i'm afraid i don't know how to check for that |
| 21:37.28 | oitofelix | wibby: ok, just enter the command 'groups'. |
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| 21:37.57 | wibby | alright, yes i am |
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| 21:38.25 | wibby | oitofelix: not disk though, interesting |
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| 21:39.01 | oitofelix | wibby: in my system is that way too |
| 21:39.17 | oitofelix | wibby: floppy, not disk |
| 21:40.16 | wibby | oitofelix: here's the fill error message from nautilus: http://pastebin.com/k5KvUWHr |
| 21:40.21 | wibby | full* |
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| 21:40.46 | wibby | oitofelix: for the second usb drive this time |
| 21:41.02 | ompaul | wibby: type id and you will see lots about your username |
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| 21:41.56 | wibby | ompaul: yeah that gives me the group id numbers as well |
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| 21:42.58 | wibby | the link that the error message refers to doesn't exist (anymore) |
| 21:44.09 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: The floppy group is a generic removable media group these days. |
| 21:44.38 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: ok, i guess that makes sense, historically |
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| 21:47.14 | wibby | another weird thing: with GParted i'm able to mount the drives without entering the root password. what's up with that? |
| 21:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: How are you running gparted? |
| 21:48.08 | Supaplex | wonders if he really meant pmount |
| 21:48.16 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: starting it from System->Administration |
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| 21:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: Given what gparted is designed to do, I guess it must assume root privileges. |
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| 21:49.30 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: wouldn't that be a privilege escalation? |
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| 21:50.06 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: anyways... the error lies somewhere else |
| 21:50.25 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: What I've done in squeeze is to add this to my fstab: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 21:50.39 | tabakhase | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/ german version saying Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.9 wurde am 1. Oktober 2011 veröffentlicht. shouldnt that be 2010? |
| 21:51.06 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: Note that that will work for any partitioned device that happens to be sdb1 |
| 21:51.17 | tabakhase | if not going to 6.x after just 7 days is kind of fast forward... |
| 21:51.40 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: ah, the umask tells it to mount it as if i were the root user? |
| 21:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: Remiind me what veröffentlicht means. |
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| 21:52.14 | tabakhase | jhutchin1_lt released |
| 21:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: It says to make all the files o+rwx |
| 21:53.21 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: alright i put that in fstab. now, you say i don't have to restart anything? if so, i still can't mount it with nautilus |
| 21:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: I'm not sure, but it's certainly possible that they updated to 0.9 last month. It's still supported through February. |
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| 21:53.55 | Zet | welp, apparently aptitude purge pulseaudio fixed my broken sound like *snap* that |
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| 21:54.27 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: I don't use gnome so I don't know how it mounts things, but doing what I did kde is able to mount & open a drive when it's detected. |
| 21:54.48 | jhutchins_lt | wibby: You can use a UUID to set specific options for specific drives. |
| 21:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: 6.x was released in February 2011. |
| 21:55.41 | tabakhase | jhutchins_lt hm, interpretted that way: youre right its fine | ... i would "interprett it like" the first date on that page would be the release or smth... |
| 21:55.51 | wibby | jhutchins_lt: ok, it either doesn't work like that in gnome or something else is borked. I think it's the latter, just a hunch |
| 21:56.31 | rawsted | abrotman: aboot? |
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| 21:57.23 | acu | MSG acu !fdisk |
| 21:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: 5.0.1 released considerably earlier. They're still doing maintenance and security releases for now. |
| 21:57.31 | acu | !fdisk |
| 21:57.32 | dpkg | fdisk is the name used for several hard disk partition table editor programs for PC compatible computers. Before a hard disk can be used by an operating system on a PC, it must be divided into one or more logical disks called partitions. Ask me about <partitioning>, <gparted>. |
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| 21:58.29 | acu | I used spasely fdisk - I need some good reference can anyone pont me to one ? |
| 21:58.34 | tabakhase | jhutchin1_lt my brain where waiting for a sentece "5.x was released public on DATE, latest update 5.x.z released on DATE" |
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| 21:59.08 | abrotman | rawsted: i'll be home in about 45 minutes :) |
| 21:59.11 | tabakhase | specialy after klicking on the "had been replaced by" link without a date on the version before... |
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| 21:59.57 | acu | !partitioning |
| 21:59.57 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 22:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: Yeah, keeping track of the dates can be confusing. We're here to help <grin>. |
| 22:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | tabakhase: I think there's a release history page somewhere. |
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| 22:03.08 | oitofelix | wibby: is your problem solved? |
| 22:03.24 | rawsted | abrotman: awesome, i might be eating supper around then but i'll be about thereafter |
| 22:03.29 | wibby | oitofelix: nope, i'm googling. to no avail, so far |
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| 22:04.55 | wibby | oitofelix: all settings in gnome are standard. again, it worked perfectly before i reinstalled a few days ago |
| 22:05.40 | oitofelix | wibby: i noted something... try to mount only specifying the destination, and tell me the result. |
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| 22:06.32 | wibby | oitofelix: you mean as root? |
| 22:06.41 | oitofelix | wibby: no, common user. |
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| 22:07.15 | wibby | oitofelix: i thought a common user can't mount anything except through nautilus (and gparted, apparently) |
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| 22:07.50 | wibby | oitofelix: mount: only root can do that |
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| 22:08.32 | wibby | oitofelix: yeah, i can pass garbage arguments to mount, it checks if i'm root first |
| 22:08.40 | oitofelix | wibby: with the option 'user' in your fstab you can mount, but only if you specify the source device or mount point, exclusively. |
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| 22:08.56 | Dulak | wibby: you can edit /etc/fstab and add the 'users' option to the 4th column of a filesystem to allow any user to mount/umount it |
| 22:10.10 | wibby | Dulak: oitofelix the option user is set in fstab. but whatever i tell mount, it returns "only root can do that" |
| 22:10.37 | Dulak | users |
| 22:10.59 | wibby | oitofelix, Dulak: no sorry you were right |
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| 22:11.13 | wibby | mount /dev/sdc1: ntfs-3g-mount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
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| 22:11.51 | Dulak | wibby: add your user to the fuse group and relog |
| 22:12.07 | Dulak | wibby: sudo adduser username fuse |
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| 22:12.57 | wibby | Dulak: done. what does relog mean? |
| 22:13.03 | Dulak | logout, login |
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| 22:13.20 | wibby | Dulak: alright, back in a bit |
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| 22:17.56 | wibby | Dulak: that didn't work. still getting "Error opening '/dev/sdc1': Permission denied" in nautilus |
| 22:19.01 | Dulak | wibby: when you run 'groups' you see fuse in the list? |
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| 22:19.22 | wibby | Dulak: yes, fuse appears in that list |
| 22:20.38 | Dulak | not sure what to tell you then, double check fstab lists users in the 4th column for /dev/sdc1 |
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| 22:22.32 | wibby | Dulak: it lists "user" not "users" |
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| 22:22.41 | Dulak | it should be users |
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| 22:23.21 | wibby | Dulak: are you sure? |
| 22:23.40 | oitofelix | wibby: option 'user' is for all user can mount, but only root umount. Option 'users': all user can mount and umount. |
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| 22:24.24 | Dulak | I'm sure |
| 22:24.38 | oitofelix | wibby: just give permission to all write and read from /dev/sdc1 and let see what happens |
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| 22:24.59 | wibby | alright, I changed it to users. doesn't do anything though. do i have to logout and in again? |
| 22:25.41 | Justin | wibby: using nautilus for testing issues with /etc/fstab is not a good idea. |
| 22:26.12 | wibby | Justin: what else then? |
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| 22:26.29 | Justin | wibby: mount. |
| 22:26.57 | Dulak | wibby: check the perms of the mount point |
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| 22:28.10 | Dulak | that really shouldn't matter though since mount is suid |
| 22:28.11 | wibby | Dulak: drwxrwxrw- 2 root root 4096 Nov 2 16:47 usb0 |
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| 22:29.58 | wibby | Justin: with mount i'm getting "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to chdir to mountpoint: Permission denied " now. seems like dulak is on the right track |
| 22:30.24 | Dulak | make it 777 then, execute bit for the cd |
| 22:30.44 | Dulak | but it's weird since mount is suid it should be doing it all as root |
| 22:30.49 | Justin | chmod 777 = fail |
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| 22:31.34 | Dulak | yeah 775 or 755 would be better if it works |
| 22:32.00 | wibby | Dulak, Justin, oitofelix: mount /dev/sdc1 says: ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Operation not permitted - User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information |
| 22:32.12 | wibby | with chmod 777 |
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| 22:32.57 | Justin | fuse is weird in general. might have to add your user to the fuse group |
| 22:33.18 | Justin | you do to use mount arbitrary things with sshfs |
| 22:33.21 | Dulak | wibby: you logged all the way out to the prompt right? |
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| 22:34.01 | Justin | you don't have to log out for changes to /etc/fstab |
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| 22:34.12 | Dulak | no but he added himself to fuse |
| 22:34.14 | wibby | Dulak: idk, i did System->log out |
| 22:34.44 | Dulak | yeah that should have done it, it's acting like you aren't in the fuse group |
| 22:35.00 | wibby | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab says when the option users is set, all users in the group users can mount the device. i appear to be not a member of that group |
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| 22:36.05 | wibby | nope that's not it |
| 22:36.06 | Dulak | mmm, I'm in users, I must have added that to my bootstrap at some point |
| 22:36.22 | Dulak | you have to relog to get a group change to take effect |
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| 22:36.33 | wibby | right |
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| 22:36.36 | wibby | be right back |
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| 22:38.31 | wibby | nope, that's not it |
| 22:38.59 | wibby | intriguing |
| 22:39.05 | Dulak | I can't duplicate it, it's working just fine for me |
| 22:40.00 | Dulak | adm cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev users staff |
| 22:40.04 | Dulak | that's my groups |
| 22:40.28 | ws2k3 | hi dulak |
| 22:40.37 | Dulak | ws2k3: howdy |
| 22:40.43 | ws2k3 | fine |
| 22:40.49 | ws2k3 | but there are still ddos attacks |
| 22:41.13 | ws2k3 | but we know the cause of |
| 22:41.14 | ws2k3 | it |
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| 22:41.41 | ws2k3 | iptables -A INPUT -m mark --mark 7 -m limit --limit 3/s -j ACCEPT this isnt gonne do much when the default input policy is ACCEPT :P |
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| 22:42.57 | oitofeli` | wibby: *it say? |
| 22:43.17 | Dulak | ws2k3: I did say I hadn't set it up for a couple years, I was going off memory |
| 22:43.31 | wibby | oitofeli`: ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Operation not permittedUser doesn't have privilege to mount. |
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| 22:44.12 | ws2k3 | Dulak aah oke well no offfence at all |
| 22:44.15 | ws2k3 | u helped me alot! |
| 22:44.53 | Dulak | you can add accept rules for what you need then switch to a default deny policy.... |
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| 22:45.40 | Dulak | just add a log rules first, make sure stuff is logged, then make them accept rules, then flip to default deny |
| 22:46.12 | ws2k3 | convince arran-g from that :D |
| 22:46.40 | Dulak | otherwise you are liable to lock yourself out. Also don't make the rules take effect on boot until you have tested it thoroughly, so you can reboot to clear the rules |
| 22:47.20 | Dulak | I have a script I set in a cron job to clear all firewall rules every 5 minutes when I'm messing with the firewall, just in case I mess up I can just wait 5 minutes and go back |
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| 22:47.38 | akamch | After latest sid update X11 terminal emulators are broken. Alt+Backspace doesn't kill a word to the left anymore in {ro}xterm. tty console is ok. Anyone experienced that? |
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| 22:50.55 | oitofelix | akamch: You're talking about xterm? |
| 22:51.36 | wibby | Dulak Justin oitofelix: i rebootet, now it works. thanks so much |
| 22:51.48 | Dulak | haha |
| 22:52.08 | oitofelix | wibby: uou... weird! Welcome. |
| 22:52.20 | Dulak | wibby: you use startx to enter X? |
| 22:52.31 | akamch | oitofelix: xterm and roxterm, yes. |
| 22:53.06 | abrotman | rawsted: okay .. i'm around |
| 22:53.41 | wibby | Dulak: what do you mean, enter X? x starts automatically for me. if you think it had something to do with the groups, "groups" returned different things after relogging, so... |
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| 22:54.24 | oitofelix | akamch: have you tried ctrl + left mouse button over xterm window and select meta sends escape? |
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| 22:55.50 | rox | does anybody know, why chromium is unfunctional in sid? |
| 22:56.16 | oitofelix | \help user |
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| 22:57.37 | akamch | oitofelix: indeed, metaSendsEscape fixes xterm. Still I don't know what how to fix my main terminal emulator (roxterm). |
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| 22:59.08 | oitofelix | akamch: unfortunately i don't use roxterm... |
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| 23:06.43 | rawsted | abrotman: credens in PM |
| 23:07.07 | ompaul | rox: run it from the command line and see what is breaking then compare it with the transitions in SID and you might get lucky and work out why http://release.debian.org/transitions |
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| 23:09.05 | acu | can anyone recommend a text utility to see the right size of folders ? |
| 23:09.34 | zykotick9 | rox, i remember see people talking about that in #debian-next yesterday i believe (i remember one of the commends was "i'm using iceweasel for the time being") good luck. |
| 23:09.46 | rox | acu: ls? |
| 23:09.58 | abrotman | acu: what is the 'right' size? |
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| 23:10.08 | rox | zykotick9: yes, i was just looking at the bug report, it seems it has not been resolved yet |
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| 23:10.09 | acu | ls does not tell you the real size - if it is a directory it will show you 4k |
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| 23:10.20 | Dulak | acu: du |
| 23:10.23 | rox | acu: then use du |
| 23:11.06 | rox | acu: if you just want the one directory, then use du -sh dirname |
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| 23:15.48 | acu | thansk Dulak and rox - that worked - I needed du -sh |
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| 23:16.20 | rox | acu: no problem |
| 23:16.26 | acu | I tried du -h - and it was like 10000 files showing one by one - I just needed the whole picture |
| 23:17.01 | rox | acu: man is your friend |
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| 23:17.13 | acu | lol man means hand |
| 23:17.20 | Dulak | man du |
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| 23:18.10 | ompaul | acu: man du << a useful command |
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| 23:20.02 | rox | acu: check this out: http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html |
| 23:21.06 | Dulak | some nice sed one-liners on that page |
| 23:21.44 | rox | Dulak: i mentioned it, because it goes beyond just listing commands |
| 23:22.00 | rox | Dulak: it also gives great examples of real-world use |
| 23:22.02 | Dulak | nice ps examples too |
| 23:22.24 | Dulak | yeah I'm bookmarking that one so I can build aliases later |
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| 23:24.41 | bjoernb | arghx: the problem with networking here is policykit. i started gnome3 and nm asked for root passwd. |
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| 23:25.02 | bjoernb | how do i let all users configure network settings, not only root? |
| 23:25.23 | notslad__ | how do I figure out what compile options were given for a given kernel? I'm especially interested in linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 and whether or not the NFS root option was enabled |
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| 23:26.12 | notslad__ | bjoernb: use NetworkManager instead of the classic "ifup/ifdown" options |
| 23:26.15 | rox | bjoernb: depends on what tools you want to let the users use for configuring network |
| 23:26.17 | civillian | notslad__: try /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 23:27.20 | notslad__ | civillian: perfect! thanx! |
| 23:27.40 | civillian | notslad__: no probs |
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| 23:28.21 | maher | is there are a quick way of finding all files hardlinked to the same file? |
| 23:28.38 | rox | notslad__: grep NFS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 23:29.07 | notslad__ | rox: thanks :^) |
| 23:29.19 | rox | maher: what is quick way? |
| 23:29.56 | Dulak | maher: find has the -samefile option to find hard links, but it does have to crawl |
| 23:30.34 | rox | maher: also check the -inum option |
| 23:30.35 | bjoernb | notslad__: i am using network-manager |
| 23:30.53 | bjoernb | rox: i want them to use network-manager |
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| 23:31.04 | rox | bjoernb: then it should be merely a matter of adding those users to a group |
| 23:31.16 | maher | rox: i.e. not having to use find to search the entire directory tree |
| 23:31.18 | rox | bjoernb: i don't remember the name of the group |
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| 23:31.29 | bjoernb | rox: do you mean netdev? |
| 23:31.40 | rox | bjoernb: not sure, try it out |
| 23:31.48 | maher | is there a find duplicates tool like fdupes, except one that actually works? |
| 23:31.48 | acu | guys - I have a bit of a problem with a 2 TB hdd - external - I want to format and mount it as ext3 - - I did erased partition table using dmesg >dev/sdd - I went in the fdisk /dev/sdd and it has created a new DOS disklabel and I press w - to commit - then I go again fdisk /dev/sdd then I created an new primary partition - 1 by using n - and that covers the whole hard disk - I press w - and I am then seeing /dev/sdd1 and try too lay |
| 23:31.48 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.50 | bjoernb | the user is in the netdev group |
| 23:32.05 | rox | bjoernb: remember, that a user has to completely logout for new group membership to become valid |
| 23:32.07 | notslad__ | bjoernb: if the network manager daemon is running than any networkmanager aware application in user space will be able to manage it's own network configuration settings |
| 23:32.33 | bjoernb | rox: the user was always in that group |
| 23:32.35 | Dulak | bjoernb: for any config you want shared, there is a checkbox when you edit the config in nm for 'available to all users' to share the config across all users |
| 23:32.37 | nyk2005 | I'm using (gnome) networkmanager. How do I get it just to connect quickly to a device (netcam) directy attached by LAN cable? So I can access the config webinterface |
| 23:32.42 | rox | maher: then the answer to your initial question is no |
| 23:33.22 | rox | maher: several names can point to the same inode, but inode does not point back to the names, so you have no other option then to traverse tree |
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| 23:33.47 | bjoernb | Dulak: i do not want to connect to a network allowed by root pwd and then use it for the unprivileged user. i want always let the user connect to new essids |
| 23:33.48 | rox | bjoernb: then i have no idea |
| 23:34.00 | rox | bjoernb: what does network manager documentation say about it? |
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| 23:34.41 | Dulak | bjoernb: they can't by default? my nm allows any user to run the applet and configure things, it's just sharing configs that has the special checkbox |
| 23:35.33 | somiaj | looking for suggestions on a pdfreader (xpdf fails to read some pdfs which I unforntally need to view). |
| 23:35.44 | rox | somiaj: evince |
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| 23:36.09 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: okular works pretty nicely, and you can always install the Adobe reader iteslf. |
| 23:36.23 | acu | somiaj: even adobe reader - is in non-free I think |
| 23:36.40 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: aptitude search pdf |
| 23:36.46 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: aptitude search ~dpdf |
| 23:36.58 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: yea the list was just long...was courious what people recomend. |
| 23:37.24 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: I haven't had much trouble with kpdf, |
| 23:38.03 | bjoernb | Dulak: when i go to options to a essid i am connected with, i have to provide the root pwd |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | somiaj: evince works well for me |
| 23:38.31 | jhutchins_lt | bjoernb: What desktop are you running? |
| 23:38.42 | bjoernb | atm. gnome3 with gnome-shell |
| 23:38.54 | Dulak | ahhhhh, gnome3 |
| 23:38.54 | somiaj | think I'll try evince, okular wants to install 103 new packages on my system. (: |
| 23:39.14 | Dulak | I'm on stable with gnome2, but my nm never prompts for root |
| 23:39.20 | jhutchins_lt | bjoernb: Do you have any real reason to expect it to work? |
| 23:39.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gnome3 |
| 23:39.28 | judd | No package named 'gnome3' was found in i386. |
| 23:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gnome |
| 23:39.37 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+3; sid: 1:3.0+5 |
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| 23:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | bjoernb: You might check in #debian-next on oftc.net and see if anybody has it working yet. |
| 23:40.23 | bjoernb | it just looks to me as if policykit asks for root privs. |
| 23:40.50 | bjoernb | as of nm-0.9 policykit is taking care of permissions in nm. |
| 23:41.05 | bjoernb | jhutchins_lt: thanks. |
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| 23:41.17 | rox | bjoernb: try this: add those users to /etc/sudoers |
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| 23:42.21 | rox | bjoernb: the users will probably have to issue their own password, but only once |
| 23:42.51 | rox | bjoernb: you probably want to use the command visudo |
| 23:43.30 | nyk2005 | I'm using (gnome) networkmanager. How do I get it just to connect quickly to a device (netcam) directy attached by LAN cable? So I can access the config webinterface |
| 23:44.17 | bjoernb | rox: where to put the user? |
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| 23:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | rox: That doesn't sound like a good long-term solution. |
| 23:45.32 | bjoernb | jhutchins_lt: yes. |
| 23:45.39 | bjoernb | since i do not use sudo at all |
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| 23:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | Network-manager is intended to manage the network connections in userspace. |
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| 23:46.21 | rox | jhutchins_lt: doesn't policykit work with sudo? |
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| 23:46.49 | jelly-home | !comfort ikonia |
| 23:46.49 | dpkg | There, there, ikonia. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:47.17 | Marezz | THEY TOOK OUR JOOOOOOOOBS!! |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | Marezz: ? |
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| 23:54.53 | rox | bjoernb: try adding a regular user to sudo and then run nm-applet as that user and see if you can manage network that way |
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| 23:55.22 | bjoernb | rox: i am going to sleep. |
| 23:55.28 | bjoernb | thanks for all your help |
| 23:55.51 | bjoernb | #debian-next@irc.oftc.net suggest to live without nm. |
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| 23:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | bjoernb: What do they suggest instead? |
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| 23:58.37 | bjoernb | /etc/network/interfaces ifup and so on |