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| 00:00.15 | themill | Bartzy: I meant "does the client use the VPN as its default route" |
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| 00:00.25 | Bartzy | themill: No. |
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| 00:00.58 | Bartzy | themill: It has a (pushed) route through the VPN. everything else goes to eth0/wlan0 (whatever is connected) |
| 00:00.59 | themill | Bartzy: that's actually quite an unusual VPN config so getting NM to deal with it might be fun. |
| 00:01.26 | themill | Bartzy: (it's a perfectly sane and sensible VPN config and I use that too... but it's by no means common) |
| 00:01.29 | abrotman | throws a doudou at themill |
| 00:01.41 | themill | egads |
| 00:02.07 | Bartzy | themill: I just don't want my entire browsing session to go through the VPN, which is meant for work (connecting to the production environment) |
| 00:02.13 | Bartzy | themill: Oh... cool :) |
| 00:02.19 | Bartzy | themill: You're not using NM ? |
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| 00:03.45 | themill | I do use NM but I don't need to resolve any hosts on the other end of the VPN that aren't in other public dns so I just tell NM not to accept any dns server from the VPN at all. |
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| 00:04.27 | Bartzy | :( |
| 00:04.41 | Bartzy | themill: NM adds the VPN DNS pushed by OpenVPN to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:04.50 | Bartzy | it's just that it's pushing it before the local DNS.... |
| 00:04.54 | Bartzy | and that sucks :) |
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| 00:05.11 | themill | yeah... and I said how you can tell NM to ignore the DNS setting entirely |
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| 00:07.05 | Bartzy | themill: Only for the VPN, right? |
| 00:07.41 | themill | yes |
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| 00:08.19 | Bartzy | themill : and then how do I append it to /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 00:08.55 | abrotman | magic |
| 00:08.58 | abrotman | runs away |
| 00:09.13 | themill | Bartzy: would the dns server always have the same IP for the vpn client? |
| 00:09.25 | Bartzy | themill: Yes. |
| 00:09.59 | themill | Bartzy: you could create a nm post-up hook that adds the entry using the resolvconf command line tool |
| 00:10.07 | Bartzy | themill: It's a lame-ass assumption by me, because if the DNS address will change I will have to go client-by-client and change it.. but I'll only have 10-15 clients.. so if you have a solution.. :) |
| 00:10.30 | Bartzy | nm post-up hook in... /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ ? |
| 00:10.39 | HeavyMetal | hi all |
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| 00:11.21 | themill | Bartzy: ifupdown events should also be called, so you can use /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 00:12.07 | themill | Bartzy: I don't know where the "best" place for it is. |
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| 00:13.18 | abrotman | was going to make a lewd comment .. but should probably just go hide |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | wonders if people made .. loo'ed commends in .uk |
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| 00:14.07 | abrotman | comments |
| 00:14.16 | Bartzy | themill: I can't somehow use dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 00:14.29 | themill | Bartzy: I doubt it |
| 00:14.44 | Bartzy | themill: So how will I remove the VPN DNS when I disconnect the VPN ? |
| 00:15.10 | themill | /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ ? |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | eh .. isn't the VPN supposed to supply DNS ? |
| 00:16.21 | kleanchap | Any addons for iceweasel to download flash files? |
| 00:16.55 | Bartzy | themill: But how do I post and remove the DNS ? by the resolvconf tool like you said? What happens when an interface comes up or down without a relation to the VPN ? |
| 00:17.18 | themill | Bartzy: why (how?) would it do tha? |
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| 00:17.45 | Bartzy | themill: What ? :) |
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| 00:18.06 | themill | Bartzy: how is the interface going up or down without a relation to the VPN? |
| 00:18.07 | abrotman | kleanchap: flash or video ? |
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| 00:18.39 | kleanchap | abort |
| 00:18.45 | Bartzy | themill: a wlan0/eth0 interface ? |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | klaen |
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| 00:19.11 | PcJamesy | hello |
| 00:19.17 | themill | Bartzy: that's not the VPN interface though, is it? |
| 00:19.32 | kleanchap | abrotman, Flash. Some of the YouTube files are educational. |
| 00:19.59 | abrotman | so .. video |
| 00:20.11 | abrotman | judd: versions cclive |
| 00:20.13 | judd | Package: cclive on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-1; sid: 0.7.3.1-1.1; wheezy: 0.7.3.1-1.1 |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | judd: info cclive |
| 00:20.23 | judd | Package cclive (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: lightweight command line video extraction tool. Version: 0.6.3-1; Size: 85.5k; Installed: 244k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/cclive/ |
| 00:20.29 | Bartzy | themill: No. So my ifup and ifdown scripts need to check what interface just went up/down ? |
| 00:20.35 | Dulak | Bartzy: in your up/down script(s) you test against the interface name to be sure it's correct before you make the change |
| 00:20.40 | Bartzy | and only if it's the VPN interface I should add/delete the route ? |
| 00:20.43 | themill | Bartzy: of course. |
| 00:20.46 | Bartzy | themill: Sorry, route = DNS |
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| 00:20.58 | Bartzy | OK |
| 00:21.05 | Bartzy | I hate NetworkManager |
| 00:21.07 | Bartzy | :) |
| 00:21.16 | themill | Bartzy: have a look at /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown and you'll see what environment variables get set there. |
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| 00:21.33 | themill | Bartzy: actually, this is a pita for any way of setting up a vpn |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | kleanchap: apt-cache search youtube .. should see a few extracdtion tools |
| 00:22.43 | kleanchap | abrotman, Thnx |
| 00:22.45 | jirka_on_d | hello all, i've got an issue with gdm3 on debian testing, /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-6tLV4T/database -nolistentcpvt 8 hogs cpu, could somebody help please? |
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| 00:23.14 | abrotman | jirka_on_d: you didn't even tell us the issue |
| 00:23.49 | jirka_on_d | abrotman> well that's the issue :) |
| 00:24.48 | jirka_on_d | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.25 | Dulak | strace it and see what it's doing |
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| 00:27.48 | Bartzy | themill: I think I found the best possible solution |
| 00:27.50 | Bartzy | sec |
| 00:28.06 | Bartzy | which doesn't work..... |
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| 00:29.59 | themill | heh |
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| 00:30.50 | Bartzy | /etc/resolvconf/interface-order ... |
| 00:30.58 | Bartzy | I moved tun* below eth* and wlan* |
| 00:31.00 | Bartzy | but it doesn't work. |
| 00:31.07 | Bartzy | even though the man page says exactly that :| |
| 00:31.14 | themill | Bartzy: btw I have no idea if ubuntu even uses the same resolvconf/n-m as debian... |
| 00:31.33 | abrotman | jirka_on_d: oh "hogs cpu" isn't really meaningful .. sorry :) |
| 00:31.39 | Bartzy | themill: I use debian |
| 00:32.07 | themill | Bartzy: so why on earth would you ask in #ubuntu? |
| 00:32.25 | Bartzy | themill: I thought it's a more general question :\ |
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| 00:32.41 | Bartzy | themill: Damn, I really thought interface-order will nail this |
| 00:32.42 | themill | .o0( since when did #ubuntu give useful answers ) |
| 00:33.15 | themill | Bartzy: it might well be a general question, but n-m is a fast moving target so be careful with applying things from one distro to another |
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| 00:35.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | applies a trout to Bartzy |
| 00:35.37 | Bartzy | themill: Stop lurking @ #ubuntu ! :p |
| 00:36.17 | Bartzy | I guess NM doesn't "look" into /etc/resolvconf/interface-order |
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| 00:37.16 | TBotNik | Hello Everyone: anyone a WordPress guru that can join me on #wordpress, to solve a problem? |
| 00:37.30 | themill | Bartzy: that should be handled by resolvconf though |
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| 00:38.41 | Bartzy | themill: Well, when the VPN DNS is before the local DNS (like now), everything works, but I guess that each DNS query goes to the VPN DNS first, failing, then going to the local DNS |
| 00:38.58 | themill | fun |
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| 00:39.53 | LinuxNIT | how come apt-file search umount.cifs only shows a documentation for the command. is it no longer a part of samba? |
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| 00:42.19 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: i think you meant 'apt-file search mount.cifs" |
| 00:42.34 | LinuxNIT | there use to be a umount.cifs also |
| 00:43.13 | Bartzy | themill: For some reason, when I change /etc/resolv.conf manually and set the local DNS to be first and the VPN DNS to be second, I can get to global public stuff, but suddenly I can't query my VPN DNS addresses... |
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| 00:45.22 | LinuxNIT | abrotman, so a while back you told me that mount.cifs / smbmount no longer worked for normal users due to it being a "security risk" it has to be done as sudo. so if i give a user sudo access for mount.cifs they cannot unmount the share unless i give them umount access via sudo so they can unmount any thing. am i understanding this right or did i miss something? |
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| 00:46.17 | Dewi | LinuxNIT: seems reasonable to need both... |
| 00:46.31 | Dewi | LinuxNIT: I don't think mount was ever available to normal users tho |
| 00:46.37 | LinuxNIT | but access to umount lets you unmount more than just cifs shares |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: i didn't say that |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: guarantee it was someone else |
| 00:47.30 | LinuxNIT | ok well i thought it was you... sorry |
| 00:47.40 | LinuxNIT | Dewi, smbmount use to be available to users via mount.cifs being suid |
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| 00:47.45 | abrotman | it's okay .. reasonable assumption .. i've been told i spend too much time here :) |
| 00:47.52 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | LinuxNIT: i have no idea why you would need sudo to mount a cifs chare |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | share |
| 00:48.15 | langkid1 | how do I move all the files in a folder into another folder without doing 'mv (file) (new folder)/(file)'? |
| 00:48.18 | Bartzy | themill: Nov 17 02:47:44 buzz NetworkManager[1251]: <info> Policy set 'Auto my-wifi' (wlan0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS. |
| 00:48.23 | Bartzy | themill: -weird-. |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | langkid1: mv * newplace/ |
| 00:48.41 | langkid1 | kthx |
| 00:48.50 | Dewi | abrotman: um... are you talking about fuse? |
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| 00:49.20 | abrotman | Dewi: for which part? |
| 00:49.46 | Dewi | abrotman: when does mount work without sudo? |
| 00:49.55 | Dewi | (or root access) |
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| 00:50.17 | Dulak | when you specify the user or users option in fstab for the filesystem |
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| 00:50.24 | Dulak | mount is suid |
| 00:50.47 | langkid1 | dang |
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| 00:51.10 | Dewi | Dulak: oh. not really what I meant |
| 00:51.11 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i just ran "aptitude upgrade" and it tells me "1 not upgraded." ... is this an issue (like a bad thing ) or everything is right ? |
| 00:51.16 | langkid1 | abrotman, I tried 'mv wordpress/* *' and it deleted all the files and folders but 'wordpress/' :( |
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| 00:51.46 | Dulak | Dewi: but that's when mount works without sudo or root access |
| 00:51.51 | civillian | langkid1: lol |
| 00:51.57 | langkid1 | I"m unhappy about that |
| 00:52.05 | langkid1 | because it deleted my virtualmin awstats folder |
| 00:52.06 | LinuxNIT | abrotman, because they changed it cifs to where it wont work without being root or using sudo |
| 00:52.15 | langkid1 | :P and my forum directory |
| 00:52.25 | civillian | langkid1: you've stuffed up the mv command which was laid out for you |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | langkid1: not what i said to do |
| 00:52.27 | themill | langkid1: that's not what you were told you could do. |
| 00:52.28 | langkid1 | good thing I hadn't done anything but set up the forums software |
| 00:52.40 | LinuxNIT | abrotman, at least to the best i can tell from experimentation, googleing and asking here |
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| 00:52.45 | langkid1 | heh, don't mind me I'm not trying to whine |
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| 00:53.05 | abrotman | Dewi: if the mount point is in your own dir .. |
| 00:53.11 | langkid1 | wait nvm |
| 00:53.12 | civillian | langkid1: good thing you're learning about linux on a practice machine |
| 00:53.17 | langkid1 | civillian, I am? |
| 00:53.22 | langkid1 | civillian, this is my public server? |
| 00:53.37 | civillian | langkid1: exactly, my sarcasm was too thick perhaps |
| 00:53.41 | Dewi | abrotman: sigh. I never realized |
| 00:53.45 | Dewi | abrotman: that's cool |
| 00:53.45 | langkid1 | good thing it just moved everything from public_html/ to wordpress/ |
| 00:53.47 | Dulak | you forgot the tags mate |
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| 00:54.29 | Dewi | langkid1: the subtext is *don't learn on your main server* |
| 00:54.33 | langkid1 | hah |
| 00:54.57 | thisthat | what if you only have 1 server |
| 00:55.06 | thisthat | or 1 workstation |
| 00:55.09 | Dewi | langkid1: maybe consider 'mv -i', it asks before overwriting |
| 00:55.10 | civillian | thisthat: then don't stuff up :) |
| 00:55.27 | Dulak | virtualbox is free |
| 00:55.40 | langkid1 | Dewi, well, it just gave me a bunch of 'already exists' messages so :) |
| 00:55.41 | Dewi | langkid1: also learning how * works |
| 00:55.44 | thisthat | so is esxi |
| 00:56.00 | Dewi | langkid1: I think that's only for directories |
| 00:56.02 | langkid1 | Dewi, * saved my life when I had to rename a lot of java .jad files to .java |
| 00:56.15 | langkid1 | that was on windows though... |
| 00:56.23 | Dewi | langkid1: * doesn't work that way in unix shells |
| 00:56.28 | langkid1 | ah |
| 00:56.40 | Dewi | langkid1: it expands to a list of matching filenames |
| 00:56.44 | langkid1 | well I screwed up my wordpress install anyway so I'll just start over, didn't have any contect on any anyway |
| 00:56.50 | langkid1 | content* |
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| 00:57.13 | civillian | langkid1: protip, only use * once in a mv command |
| 00:57.19 | langkid1 | lyte, how you get something that's not a IP or a rDNS hostname? |
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| 00:59.09 | abrotman | langkid1: you mean for when you join ? |
| 00:59.09 | bmomjian | I have a C object file that is generating a segfault on linking on Squeeze. Where do I ask for help? |
| 00:59.16 | langkid1 | abrotman, I mean your IP |
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| 00:59.23 | abrotman | langkid1: like mine also ? |
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| 00:59.28 | abrotman | right ? |
| 00:59.32 | langkid1 | yeah |
| 00:59.37 | langkid1 | is it that +x thing? |
| 00:59.38 | abrotman | bmomjian: you can try here or ##c |
| 00:59.48 | panosru | Hello, when I run mail command I'm getting this message: mail: /usr/local/lib/libmysqlclient.so.16: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libmu_auth.so.2) do you know how can I get rid of it? Thanks :) |
| 00:59.49 | abrotman | langkid1: no, you'd ask #freenode for a cloak |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | panosru: did you compile mysql? |
| 01:00.04 | langkid1 | well, I like to advertise my rDNS |
| 01:00.18 | panosru | abrotman: yeah mysql is running just fine |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | langkid1: langkid1.me ? |
| 01:00.27 | bmomjian | nm symbols are here: http://momjian.us/tmp/nm.out |
| 01:00.45 | langkid1 | yeah |
| 01:01.02 | ws2k3 | this this dont work ?: iptables -A INPUT --sport 53 -j ACCEPT |
| 01:01.29 | civillian | ws2k3: you'll need to specify a protocol there, my guess would be -p udp |
| 01:01.31 | bmomjian | fails on linking only that file with: gcc interp.o |
| 01:01.31 | bmomjian | collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] |
| 01:01.37 | abrotman | bmomjian: i'd guess output like that is better suited for ##c .. is this something you just compiled,or a binary you're trying to run ? |
| 01:01.47 | bmomjian | just compiled |
| 01:01.50 | bmomjian | I have the source |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | steps away for a few |
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| 01:05.58 | langkid1 | how would I delete everything but certain files? |
| 01:08.42 | gentz | How many Cores can debian support? I have 32 cores in 8 cpus. |
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| 01:09.03 | dondelelcaro | gentz: as many as the kernel can; I think 32 are supported. |
| 01:11.13 | themill | ,kconfig NR_CPUS |
| 01:11.15 | judd | Searching for 'NR_CPUS' in squeeze kernel config gives NR_CPUS=32. |
| 01:11.49 | dondelelcaro | themill: is that x86 or amd64? |
| 01:12.23 | themill | dondelelcaro: judd's only got the config files for the -686 kernels at present |
| 01:12.32 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, for amd64, it's 512 |
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| 01:16.28 | langkid1 | gentz, I wish I had those :( |
| 01:19.00 | dondelelcaro | hrm... I don't believe anyone makes much larger than a 64 way machine nowadays |
| 01:19.17 | Dulak | langkid1: no what you wish you had was 32g of ram. I highly doubt you are cpu bound by anything you are doing. |
| 01:19.33 | langkid1 | true |
| 01:19.57 | langkid1 | my server runs a minecraft server and it only has like 0.20% CPU on average, I think |
| 01:20.01 | langkid1 | it's the RAM that gets me |
| 01:20.31 | Dulak | yeah classic example right there. ram ram ram, but no cpu |
| 01:21.08 | dondelelcaro | has things that go both ways, actually |
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| 01:21.45 | Dulak | yeah, not saying cpu is not good, just that more often than not it's ram you want |
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| 01:42.19 | panosru | this is very annoying message mail: /usr/local/lib/libmysqlclient.so.16: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libmu_auth.so.2) :( how can I get rid if it? :S |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | why did you compile mysql? |
| 01:43.21 | panosru | abrotman: I didn't setup the server |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | okay .. why are not using the Debian packages? |
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| 01:44.50 | panosru | I think he used debian packages actually |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | not in /usr/local/ |
| 01:45.25 | scorphus | hello, how do I tell "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" to use an already downloaded install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz ? |
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| 01:46.26 | panosru | abrotman: It is Debian 6 64bit with MySQL 5.5.9 |
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| 01:47.55 | peterrooney | scorphus: the man page for the package (dpkg -L flashplugin-nonfree) says, a copy is put in /var/cache/somethingorother |
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| 01:50.48 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5.l |
| 01:50.50 | judd | No package named 'mysql-server-5.l' was found in i386. |
| 01:50.53 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 01:50.58 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5 |
| 01:50.59 | judd | No package named 'mysql-server-5' was found in i386. |
| 01:51.00 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 01:51.02 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1; experimental: 5.5.17-1 |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | there we go |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | panosru: squeeze doesn't have 5.5.x |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | scorphus: you don't really .. you install it, then run 'update-flash-player' or whatever the script is |
| 01:51.47 | scorphus | peterrooney: great, thanks a lot! cp install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/ in my case. dpkg -L just lists files owned by the package itself |
| 01:52.32 | scorphus | abrotman: yeah, but the downloading phase keeps hanging |
| 01:52.43 | scorphus | so I downloaded it manually |
| 01:52.56 | scorphus | and now everything is okay |
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| 01:53.32 | scorphus | download source from adobe keeps hanging, they might do it on purpose =) |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | worked for me the other day |
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| 01:54.14 | scorphus | yeah, it always worked here |
| 01:54.52 | scorphus | this might come handy in an offline install |
| 01:55.00 | scorphus | or update |
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| 01:55.40 | panosru | abrotman: well since mail command works I could try to ignore this annoying message I guess :P |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | mail .. mysql .. okay! |
| 01:56.07 | Tenkawa | there an easy way offhand to keep a usb device from triggering usb-storage? (want to use the device passthrough to a vm) |
| 01:56.14 | abrotman | udev rule |
| 01:56.28 | Tenkawa | it keeps hitting usb-storage and resetting over and over before kvm can get it |
| 01:56.41 | Tenkawa | abrotman: know any good tutorials? |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | !udev rule |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 01:57.04 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html (removed at udev v151), or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 01:57.10 | Tenkawa | thanks |
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| 01:57.51 | panosru | where should I ask on how to make apache axis2 starting script to work as a service? :) |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 01:58.04 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 01:59.46 | Tenkawa | thanks again |
| 01:59.57 | panosru | thanks :) |
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| 02:06.08 | panosru | abrotman: when I run apt-get upgrade I'm getting this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded. but the upgrade process is not starting do you have any idea? |
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| 02:07.52 | abrotman | panosru: can you paste your sources.list .. or the output of `aptitude search '~U'` |
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| 02:08.55 | panosru | abrotman: here you go :) http://pastie.org/2875565 |
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| 02:09.07 | Joelito | hi all, question: how can I shutdown "X" and take me to login screen in text-mode? |
| 02:09.34 | terr | I am thinking of buying an HP6500A officejet printer. I would like to know if anyone else here uses one and if there are any problems. Also since I have not yet bought it if there is another model which might be better please advise. I can get the 6500A for $50 bux |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | Joelito: ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 02:09.59 | Joelito | abrotman, yup but I mean in scripting :) |
| 02:10.03 | taglass | Joelito, telinit 3 |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | Joelito: chvt ? |
| 02:10.25 | Joelito | taglass, init 3? |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | taglass: in Debian, 2-5 are the same |
| 02:10.51 | abrotman | panosru: so if you type 'aptitude full-upgrade' .. how many packages ? |
| 02:11.01 | taglass | abrotman, Aren't I embarassed |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | nah ... slightly educated :) |
| 02:11.48 | Joelito | yup, init 3 |
| 02:11.52 | Joelito | thanks |
| 02:11.58 | panosru | abrotman: 45 packages upgraded, 48 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1 not upgraded. :) |
| 02:11.59 | panosru | Thanks |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | panosru: uh .. you may want to pastebin that first |
| 02:12.28 | panosru | abrotman: lol too late :P |
| 02:12.55 | panosru | but it's ok I have a snapshot of a previous stable state of the server so if something happens I will revert the snapshot :) |
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| 02:21.20 | dokma | hey guyz, my screen brightness keys [Fn]+[F7/F8] don't work on Compaq N610 |
| 02:21.29 | dokma | do I need to map this manually somehow? |
| 02:21.38 | dokma | abrotman: ?? got any clue on this one? |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | how did you know i was here?! |
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| 02:22.03 | mattalexx | Man, Debian is so much zippier than Ubuntu! |
| 02:22.08 | dokma | I'm somewhat parapsychic |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | you could use a program that maps your buttons to the xbacklight programs maybe ? |
| 02:22.10 | mattalexx | I'm loving it |
| 02:22.29 | dokma | never heard of xbacklight |
| 02:22.32 | dokma | let me check it |
| 02:22.46 | dokma | mattalexx: what do u mean by zippier? |
| 02:23.05 | mattalexx | It's faster within Gnome |
| 02:23.27 | abrotman | lost his tuner ... |
| 02:23.32 | mosno | mattalexx, i remember thinking that back with sid and KDE 3.5 versus the current release of ubuntu at the time |
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| 02:25.29 | terr | does anyone know anything about HPLIP? Like does it emulate HPGL? |
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| 02:27.41 | dokma | abrotman: damn, it works |
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| 02:28.07 | Morgawr | hello everybody, should I be asking here a dpkg/apt-get related question or is there a better place to ask? |
| 02:28.10 | dokma | how do I map this thing to [Fn][F7/F8] ??? |
| 02:28.32 | dokma | Morgawr: seems like a pretty good match |
| 02:28.40 | abrotman | dokma: sorry |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | Morgawr: which distro is it ? |
| 02:29.09 | Morgawr | abrotman: I'm using dpkg on a virtual OS (testing) which is running inside debian, so I guess the closest match is debian |
| 02:29.11 | dokma | abrotman: sorry about what? I said it works |
| 02:29.15 | Morgawr | it's a general question about how dpkg/apt-get works |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | Morgawr: is it Debian or something else ? |
| 02:29.33 | Morgawr | it's Debian |
| 02:29.35 | abrotman | dokma: i thought it might be harder |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | Morgawr: is it really LMDE ? |
| 02:30.17 | dokma | abrotman: sorry to disappoint you ;) |
| 02:30.23 | Morgawr | no no.. I'm talking about Debian here.. Squeeze I think is my version, but it's related to dpkg... not the distro itself |
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| 02:31.18 | Morgawr | anyhow, my question is this one: I am currently running apt-get/dpkg inside a virtualized environment, it's running on a virtual file system (A "fake" file system) and it's giving me some problems installing some packages due to symbolic links with some other files that have a .dpkg-new extension (when dpkg tries to --unpack the .deb I think) |
| 02:31.33 | Morgawr | what are those .dpkg-new files? how does it work exactly? do you know where I could find some hint about this? |
| 02:31.41 | Morgawr | I tried checking the web but found little to now clues |
| 02:31.44 | dondelelcaro | Morgawr: you're trying to run dpkg on a non-posix filesystem |
| 02:31.48 | dondelelcaro | Morgawr: that's not going to work |
| 02:32.02 | Morgawr | dondelelcaro: what is the problem exactly? I mean, what does it require? |
| 02:32.18 | Morgawr | the filesystem is a 1:1 copy of a real filesystem, shouldn't really give me any problem |
| 02:32.19 | dondelelcaro | Morgawr: .dpkg-new is what dpkg uses to unpack the files before it does a rename |
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| 02:33.14 | Morgawr | dondelelcaro: so it's basically just a simple rename from .dpkg-new to their real extension, right? |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | what is the real error ? |
| 02:33.22 | Morgawr | and the .dpkg-new files are symbolic links? |
| 02:33.26 | dondelelcaro | Morgawr: no. |
| 02:33.30 | dondelelcaro | they are not symbolic links |
| 02:33.39 | Morgawr | it's telling me it can't extract the package cause the file already exists, or something like that |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | something? |
| 02:33.54 | Morgawr | hang on |
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| 02:34.14 | Morgawr | lemme re-run this |
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| 02:34.58 | terr | what is the latyest debian version? |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | latest stable is squeeze, 6.0.3 |
| 02:35.23 | Morgawr | abrotman and dondelelcaro: this is the error http://i.imgur.com/ZGwWL.png |
| 02:35.42 | Morgawr | error creating symbolic link <name of file>: File exists |
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| 02:36.49 | abrotman | so that's totally different than what you were telling us |
| 02:36.50 | terr | abrotman: I'm looking here: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet/deskjet_6500.html I see Deboian 6.0.2 listed and for the HP 6500 it says NO NETWORK SUPPORT. Why woule we not have netwwork support or is it there now? |
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| 02:37.03 | abrotman | Morgawr: does that file exist ? |
| 02:37.19 | Morgawr | abrotman: no, it doesn't... and I don't think how it's totally different to what I was saying... |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | terr: doubt it's there now .. .0.3 was just a minor change |
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| 02:38.00 | abrotman | Morgawr: ls -l /etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf ? |
| 02:38.26 | terr | abrotman: why wouldn't network printiung be supported? Its just shipping a bloody file. USB can't be that much different than tcp/ip |
| 02:38.29 | Morgawr | abrotman: says there's no such file or directory |
| 02:38.48 | Morgawr | the /etc/fonts/conf.d/ directory has a bunch of .dpkg-new files |
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| 02:38.59 | Morgawr | one of them is the 45-latin.conf.dpkg-new |
| 02:39.32 | Morgawr | again, as I said, I'm running this using a "protype" of virtual machine using a virtual file system that is still in development, so I think this might be a bug/problem with the file system itself. |
| 02:39.47 | Morgawr | what I needed to know was how does dpkg actually work and what it should be doing with those dpkg-new files |
| 02:39.50 | Morgawr | so I might try and fix this problem |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | it's possible .. you could try renaming that file completely |
| 02:40.05 | dokma | abrotman: mapped it with xfce4 keyboard util, it was such a breeze |
| 02:40.18 | dokma | can't believe I tollerated it for 6 months |
| 02:40.40 | Morgawr | abrotman: ok, this is weird, I can't move or rename the .dpkg-new files |
| 02:40.46 | Morgawr | what are they exactly? they look like links to me |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | Morgawr: shouldn't be .. should be straight regular files .. IIRC, they are created when you tell the package manager not to overwrite your own conf files (they may be placed there temporarily while the package is unpacked, unsure there) |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | dokma: enjoy ! |
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| 02:42.11 | dokma | thanks a bunch!! |
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| 02:42.23 | Morgawr | abrotman: I see.. so they shouldn't be links... mm this is peculiar |
| 02:42.31 | Morgawr | cause now when I do "ls -l" on that file it shows |
| 02:42.43 | Morgawr | 45-latin.conf.dpkg-new -> ../conf.avail/45-latin.conf |
| 02:42.45 | Morgawr | but that file doesn't exist |
| 02:42.54 | AR-Brad | How do I create a partition with Debian? |
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| 02:44.10 | AR-Brad | I am running Debian for PPC Macs, and I want to have Debian on one partition and Mac OSX on another |
| 02:44.23 | AR-Brad | How would I do that with Debian, the currently installed OS? |
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| 02:44.54 | abrotman | Morgawr: not that i'm aware of anyway .. i could be mistaken |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | AR-Brad: the debian ppc instructions tell you how to do this |
| 02:45.21 | Morgawr | abrotman: mm.. okay, thanks though... that's why I was looking for a more in-depth explaination of how dpkg works |
| 02:45.25 | AR-Brad | abrotman: Where are the instructions? |
| 02:45.30 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:45.31 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 02:45.36 | Morgawr | on the internet I couldn't find any and I'd rather not read straight into the sources cause it's not really an easy feat |
| 02:45.43 | AR-Brad | Thanks, abrotman |
| 02:45.48 | AR-Brad | :D |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | Morgawr: well, the stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ might help you understand some parts of it |
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| 02:46.03 | Morgawr | abrotman: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 02:48.47 | abrotman | Morgawr: and if you're super interested .. the nmg may help you more |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | |
| 02:49.12 | Morgawr | sorry if I'm a newbie but.. what's nmg? |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | !tell Morgawr about nmg |
| 02:49.58 | Morgawr | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:00.17 | kleanchap | I am trying to find tools for RTMP information. |
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| 03:28.55 | Amtrask | hello, I briefly had nginx installed on a server, and ever since I uninstalled it I get errors from the cron.daily saying "error accessing /var/log/nginx" and such, since those files don't exist anymore. Thing is, I can't figure out why it's still trying to rotate those logs [it's during the logrotate procedure] |
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| 03:33.39 | abrotman | amtgrrrr |
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| 03:47.42 | simonlnu | ask-and-run.... *sigh* |
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| 03:49.48 | langkid1 | simonlnu, :( |
| 03:50.54 | simonlnu | *shrug* |
| 03:53.05 | dioz_ | using ifconfig how can i add a second ip address to eth0 ? |
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| 03:53.39 | simonlnu | you can do it easily without using aliases using ip |
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| 03:54.33 | dioz_ | ifconfig is depricated |
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| 03:55.11 | langkid1 | deprecated* |
| 03:55.27 | langkid1 | isn't that a fancy word for "no longer used/supported"? |
| 03:55.36 | dioz_ | *shrug* |
| 03:55.40 | dioz_ | i just threw it out there |
| 03:55.45 | dioz_ | no clue what it actually means |
| 03:55.52 | langkid1 | ah |
| 03:56.07 | langkid1 | read a few REST API pages, you'll pick it up :p |
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| 03:56.35 | abrotman | dioz_: it means they really want you to get used to using 'ip' :) |
| 03:56.39 | dioz_ | simonlnu: i am assuming ip ad ad IPADDRESS/MASK dev eth0 label eth0:0 ? |
| 03:57.06 | dioz_ | lets see if that does anything |
| 03:57.25 | simonlnu | meh, just add it secondary. i do that via script in one of my interfaces files |
| 03:58.19 | simonlnu | oh yeh i do use the : syntax |
| 03:59.20 | simonlnu | for i in $(seq -s ' ' XXX 1 YYY); do (etc) |
| 04:01.06 | simonlnu | (i know greycat would yell at me but i don't care ;p) |
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| 04:02.20 | simonlnu | no just ip addr add ip/mask dev dev:foo |
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| 04:16.55 | ChibaPet | Hey all. Can someone help me figure out a strange sound issue? I see the pcspkr module loaded, and yet, I can't get "echo ^G" to beep at me in gnome-terminal, lxterminal, xterm... And the beep(1) command also fails to emit a noise. |
| 04:17.19 | terr | echo ^g |
| 04:17.33 | ChibaPet | I can use sox, audacity, rhythmbox to play audio, Flash works, etc. But no terminal bell of any sort. |
| 04:17.47 | ChibaPet | echo control-g specifically, not caret-g |
| 04:17.52 | terr | ChibaPet: doesn't happen on my sarge machine either. beep is not hooked up. Never has been |
| 04:18.25 | ChibaPet | I was running gnome until this morning, and now I'm on lxde - and lxde seems not to do audio events. Not sure how to get a beep out of my terminals now. |
| 04:18.38 | terr | just prints what I type. |
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| 04:20.38 | ChibaPet | Hm, doesn't work on my console either. Odd. |
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| 04:23.40 | terr | I am thinking of buying an HP6500A officejet printer. I would like to know if anyone else here uses one and if there are any problems. Also since I have not yet bought it if there is another model which might be better please advise. I can get the 6500A for $50 bux |
| 04:23.56 | terr | when the channel splits i have no idea if anything got through |
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| 04:26.48 | dondelelcaro | terr: doesn't seem to be supported by cups directly; I would personally select something else |
| 04:27.07 | DammitJim | my sound isn't working on wheezy after an apt-get upgrade, any pointers on what I can do? |
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| 04:30.15 | terr | dondelelcaro: I did check that. Apparently HPLIP supports it but not fully as a network printer. I have macs in the house. I can set up samba but this HAS to be fully OSX capable. I can also run a network cable and that is a tiny biut tricky but I should be able to allow the macs to tunnel back through my desktop and see the printer on the net. |
| 04:30.40 | terr | dondelelcaro: I just don't know how to do it at this time and wish I didn't have to. |
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| 04:31.30 | dondelelcaro | terr: well, if you've already got it, you can probably make it work... but if you haven't purchased it, invest in a network printer which does PS |
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| 04:33.05 | dondelelcaro | terr: like a samsung 2525 or similar |
| 04:33.07 | terr | dondelelcaro: I have not purchased it yet. |
| 04:33.25 | terr | dondelelcaro: I'd like HPGL as well. |
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| 04:33.44 | dondelelcaro | terr: it's trivial to convert from hpgl to ps |
| 04:33.55 | terr | dondelelcaro: it is? How? |
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| 04:34.33 | Jef91 | is there a new channel for debian on ARM? #debian-arm says to use a different channel but doesn't say what it is |
| 04:34.41 | terr | dondelelcaro: software I wrote years ago drives via HPGL. |
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| 04:39.02 | dondelelcaro | terr: convert will do it |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | terr: and the various converters in hp2xx will as well. |
| 04:39.50 | dondelelcaro | though I personally haven't done anthing in HPGL in forever |
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| 04:40.14 | terr | dondelelcaro: many thinaks. That solves lots of problems! |
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| 04:57.11 | PLeQ | :D |
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| 05:03.00 | _Maru_ | hi |
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| 05:04.18 | _Maru_ | I'm on wheezy gnome 3... how would i make it so that the dock and the panel when you click activities stay ? |
| 05:04.42 | _Maru_ | like I want those bars to stay there even when i'm not in the "activities" mode |
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| 05:05.09 | PLeQ | sorry, i don't play with gnome3 before..maybe other get experience with gnome 3 :D |
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| 05:19.31 | Hyperi | Hi, is this appropiate place to ask about Debian packaged RedMine ? |
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| 05:21.09 | PLeQ | wah, redmine ? |
| 05:21.15 | Hyperi | yah, redmine |
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| 06:15.40 | r15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.59 | r15 | trying to get internet access on debian lenny |
| 06:16.12 | r15 | wvdial giving error code 16 |
| 06:16.31 | r15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.37 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 06:16.47 | arghx | do you have a serial port for it? |
| 06:17.20 | r15 | arghx: yes, i do modrobe then i have /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 06:17.33 | r15 | modprobe* |
| 06:17.58 | arghx | and can you access it with minicom? |
| 06:18.51 | r15 | minicom? i can use same usb cable for widows to connect |
| 06:19.37 | r15 | usb cable shipped with nokia e-6 phone |
| 06:20.25 | r15 | PAP authentication succeeded |
| 06:20.41 | r15 | LCP terminated by peer |
| 06:21.05 | r15 | conn terminated, modem hungu |
| 06:22.32 | r15 | arghx: i am using usb cable on my laptop |
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| 06:22.40 | r15 | . |
| 06:22.51 | r15 | . |
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| 06:23.10 | r15 | ping |
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| 06:24.57 | r15 | yes, i am using usb cable to connect mobile on laptop |
| 06:26.03 | r15 | how to check serial port? |
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| 06:28.09 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 06:32.52 | arghx | if PAP succeeded your serial port works and it can communicate to the ISP with it |
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| 06:34.56 | dgriffi | I'm having a problem getting jabberd14 working |
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| 06:36.11 | dgriffi | using squeeze with jabberd14 installed through apt. Trying to follow the Checkpoint #1 stuff at http://jabberd.org/1.4/doc/adminguide |
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| 06:37.06 | dgriffi | sorry.. checkpoint #2 |
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| 06:37.54 | dgriffi | sending the xml described in section 4 gets me <stream:error><conflict xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stream... instead of something about registration |
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| 06:38.09 | dgriffi | can someone help me out with this? |
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| 06:39.11 | volkan | hii, can someone recommend to me interface library for python in debian 6.0 |
| 06:39.28 | simonlnu | fyi, be careful with those instructions they're old, and ymmv with versions, procedures, etc. |
| 06:39.32 | simonlnu | dgriffi: ^^^ |
| 06:39.59 | simonlnu | volkan: stick to one channel please. and also explain what you mean by that. |
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| 06:41.33 | volkan | I want to develop GUI program with python in gnome desktop in debian 6.0. I cant decide what should i use for interface |
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| 06:42.19 | simonlnu | interface... you mean widget toolkit? |
| 06:43.05 | volkan | if it is possible, both of them |
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| 06:43.23 | volkan | but let say widget |
| 06:43.41 | simonlnu | both what? |
| 06:44.10 | wgq | What about using a browser? Use django as the webserver, and a browser to get access to it. |
| 06:44.12 | volkan | ok. widget |
| 06:44.14 | volkan | like gtk |
| 06:44.38 | dgriffi | simonlnu: can you suggest a more up-to-date guide for dealwith with jabberd14? |
| 06:44.42 | simonlnu | i'd just go for gtk and forget about gnome |
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| 06:45.04 | dgriffi | dealing... |
| 06:45.08 | simonlnu | dgriffi: i use prosody for a jabberd. some folks use ejabberd. |
| 06:45.44 | volkan | But I want to learn python |
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| 06:46.46 | simonlnu | ok, so learn the basics first. you might want to go see the #python channel |
| 06:47.16 | dgriffi | simonlnu: so you're saying that jabberd14 isn't very up to date anymore? |
| 06:47.17 | volkan | ok, thank you. i joined |
| 06:48.01 | simonlnu | dgriffi: no, i'm just telling you what some people i know use. |
| 06:48.35 | simonlnu | anyway this is probably not very helpful for your question per se. |
| 06:48.43 | dgriffi | simon: okay, I'll give prosody a look. the jabberd14 website looks like nobody's doing anything new with it lately... |
| 06:49.18 | simonlnu | latest date on it i saw was 2005 ;) |
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| 06:49.42 | simonlnu | it's probably not bad, just needs updating |
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| 06:50.23 | simonlnu | but foss is often either of 2 things: a moving target or old venerable rspectable software. sometimes in between |
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| 06:54.38 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
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| 06:55.08 | dgriffi | simonlnu: my favorite example of that is Frotz... I keep meaning to update it |
| 06:55.17 | r15 | ok now i am able to connect to the internet with my nokia e6 on debian lenny. |
| 06:55.34 | dgriffi | but Frotz continues to work as intended |
| 06:55.42 | Maiku-kun | how could I allow running such commands as mount or shutdown from certain user? should I just use chmod or is there any another way? |
| 06:55.44 | simonlnu | heh :) |
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| 06:56.08 | Maiku-kun | without sudo or something, I mean |
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| 06:56.26 | dgriffi | maiku-kun: well, that shot down my suggestion |
| 06:56.46 | Maiku-kun | ^^ |
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| 06:57.42 | Maiku-kun | so, I just want to allow it without any passwords or additional command like sudo |
| 06:57.49 | Maiku-kun | is it possible? |
| 06:57.53 | dgriffi | maiku-kun: read this: http://www.tuxation.com/setuid-on-shell-scripts.html |
| 06:58.13 | simonlnu | pmount for mount / unmount stuff in /media |
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| 06:59.11 | Maiku-kun | simonlnu: you know, I'm looking for some common mechanism.. |
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| 07:00.02 | simonlnu | that is common |
| 07:01.09 | Maiku-kun | simonlnu: I mean, does it suit for mount only, not for other commands? |
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| 07:02.12 | simonlnu | that is what i said |
| 07:03.03 | Maiku-kun | and I'm talking about universal way for any command, so it isn't the same |
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| 07:04.14 | dgriffi | simonlnu: do you know of any scripts for adding users to a prosody jabberd? |
| 07:05.47 | simonlnu | actually no, i have very few users here, so i didn't need any. check their web site prosody.im, or some other jabber site, they may have resources |
| 07:06.28 | Maiku-kun | it seems I found the clue: I should try to set SUID or modify my sudoers file |
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| 07:07.01 | simonlnu | you can have sudo with certain commands NOPASSWD |
| 07:07.29 | Maiku-kun | yes, it should help |
| 07:07.32 | Maiku-kun | thanks guys |
| 07:07.51 | simonlnu | more flexible, but be careful |
| 07:07.56 | dgriffi | simonlnu: cool.. right there I see a command line thingy for adding users |
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| 07:08.28 | simonlnu | nice |
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| 07:13.20 | meta-coder | Does the graphical installation mode offer all the customizations that the text mode installer does? |
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| 07:14.38 | simonlnu | sorry no idea |
| 07:15.37 | meta-coder | i mean debian 6.0.3 |
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| 07:20.52 | chenbing | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:21.40 | somiaj | meta-coder: did you see an expert graphical mode? I would go expert text mode if you want the most options |
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| 07:25.54 | meta-coder | somiaj: expert graphical mode doesnt have all the expert-text mode options? |
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| 07:26.25 | dwfreed | meta-coder: expert graphical should definitely have the same options as expert text |
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| 07:27.18 | somiaj | meta-coder: it should be the same, I just wasn't sure if there was one. |
| 07:27.31 | meta-coder | dwfreed: ok. i am planning to install 6.0.3. |
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| 07:41.04 | dgriffi | I think I have a good setup of prosody going now |
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| 07:41.27 | simonlnu | cool |
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| 07:41.40 | dgriffi | one thing is bugging me... I have four test users. log into the first test user.. great |
| 07:41.57 | dgriffi | logging into the second and subsequent users, I get a long delay of at least 30 seconds. |
| 07:42.01 | dgriffi | any ideas? |
| 07:42.13 | marlun | Does "apt-get upgrade" and "aptitude safe-upgrade" do the same thing? |
| 07:42.20 | simonlnu | entropy? |
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| 07:43.00 | dgriffi | simonlnu: I don't think so. this happens pretty consistently |
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| 07:43.53 | dgriffi | I'm using Psi for a client.. the second user's star just flashes |
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| 07:48.26 | simonlnu | i'm using like 3 users to myself, and they're ok |
| 07:48.40 | dgriffi | they login instantly? |
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| 07:50.42 | dgriffi | any other jabber admin types here? |
| 07:50.52 | simonlnu | i don't get delays like that |
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| 07:51.09 | dgriffi | I must not have the configs right... |
| 07:51.32 | dgriffi | okay, this is cute... |
| 07:51.43 | simonlnu | maybe *shrug* |
| 07:52.11 | dgriffi | I started a second user logging in and the star is flashing, but nothing is being logged by the server |
| 07:52.19 | dgriffi | maybe psi is balking |
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| 07:53.26 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 07:53.39 | simonlnu | try with another client? i usually log in with bitlbee |
| 07:54.03 | dgriffi | yeah |
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| 08:05.37 | dgriffi | ah, yes... psi is indeed being goofy |
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| 08:18.04 | l3on | Hi all... I'm goingo to setting up a repository cointaining only 4-5 packages.. what application you suggest me to do that? |
| 08:18.07 | l3on | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 08:20.06 | stockholm | l3on: i use reprepro, works nicely. low maintainance |
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| 08:20.36 | l3on | thanks stockholm ... I'll read about : |
| 08:20.38 | l3on | ):) |
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| 08:25.11 | walle | hello all |
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| 08:25.51 | walle | I xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update |
| 08:26.15 | walle | i setting it as not to show before, how can I reopen it? |
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| 08:26.23 | walle | any one can help me? |
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| 08:33.53 | Iridos | I don't think anyone understood that question, so no |
| 08:34.01 | walle | ... |
| 08:34.26 | Iridos | "rephrase" |
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| 08:35.01 | walle | I have setting xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update as not to popout before, because I want to change dir name, now I want to setting it back, but xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update not popout now |
| 08:36.02 | stylewalka | I'm trying to install debian on a Lynx levio with a RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) |
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| 08:36.28 | walle | I only want to know where is the xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update config file in my /home dir. but i can't find it |
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| 08:36.43 | walle | could you understand ? :-( |
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| 08:38.04 | stylewalka | I'm trying to install debian on a Lynx levio laptop with a RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) network card; but couldn't get the networking running; also with grml I couldn't get networking. Could anyone help out? |
| 08:38.31 | walle | Iridos: do you know? |
| 08:38.55 | walle | Iridos: I just setting it not to popout before, but now I want it to popout |
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| 08:42.19 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Where can I request a backports package be made? |
| 08:42.37 | Pegasus_RPG | OpenSC 0.11.13 is too old and doesn't work with my smart card, but the current 0.12.2 is fine |
| 08:43.00 | walle | :-( |
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| 08:44.27 | Iridos | walle, oh, that's the thing that remembers "often-used" directories in all kinds of applications... actually still not sure, you can hide it and the files clicking on the "Browse for other folders" arrow or with Alt-B |
| 08:44.40 | Iridos | but there's not anything else one can configure? |
| 08:45.24 | aidalgol | When configuring Bullet (for building), I get this error: "WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'GLU' package, please use 'OpenGL' instead" What packages would I need to install for that? |
| 08:45.58 | Iridos | judd, versions opensc |
| 08:45.59 | judd | Package: opensc on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.11.4-5+lenny1; lenny: 0.11.4-5+lenny1.1; squeeze: 0.11.13-1.1; sid: 0.12.2-2; wheezy: 0.12.2-2 |
| 08:46.02 | walle | Iridos: I don't think you are right |
| 08:46.20 | Iridos | walle perhaps we're still talking of different things |
| 08:46.33 | walle | Iridos: it's only a config option I need to set |
| 08:46.48 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, you can backport it yourself |
| 08:46.54 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Pegasus_RPG -about ssb |
| 08:47.29 | aidalgol | The -dev package I installed was libgl1-mesa-dev, which depends on libglu1-mesa-dev. I have no idea what this build system expects in place of what I already have installed. |
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| 08:48.21 | walle | Iridos: hm... I'm a chinese, the default dirs in /home is chinese, but I want to use english dir name, so I use xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update to update all to english and setting it not to show again. now i want xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update to show, but it not show again... so i want to know how to open it |
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| 08:50.10 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, it depends on libssl1.0.0, though, which is not in squeeze... |
| 08:50.42 | Pegasus_RPG | crap so I'd have to backport that too huh |
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| 08:56.42 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, well, or change the dependencies to allow for the one in squeeze... because that is built as part of the openssl package |
| 08:57.19 | Iridos | then see if it can be compiled with 0.9.8o-4squeeze4 as well |
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| 08:58.08 | Pegasus_RPG | I would imagine there's a reason it's dependent on 1.0.0, no? |
| 08:58.38 | Pegasus_RPG | is tempted to move to testing anyway, also because of the rt kernel |
| 08:59.07 | Pegasus_RPG | But I've gotten burned once before running testing as my daily OS |
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| 08:59.39 | Iridos | aidalgol, possibly just a newer version of mesa |
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| 09:00.36 | Iridos | but dunno... it's not a too-helpful message |
| 09:00.53 | aidalgol | Iridos: I just ignored it, as it was just a warning, but Bullet won't build. |
| 09:01.04 | FlashDeluxe | hi @ all! i got a problem: i made a fresh install of debian, installed a few packages, compiled some programs and then i shut it down. on the next day i turned it on and there was the message "enter runlevel:" if i enter a runlevel, e.g. 2 the error message "no more processes left in this runlevel" appears and the system hangs |
| 09:01.05 | Iridos | do you have mesa-common-dev, too? |
| 09:01.14 | aidalgol | Iridos: yep |
| 09:01.37 | aidalgol | It seems to have a problem with OpenCL now... |
| 09:01.46 | Iridos | if it doesn't build, you usually see which .h file it's missing... |
| 09:01.52 | Iridos | you can always search for those with apt-file |
| 09:02.18 | aidalgol | Oh, wait, it's compiling, but not linking. The error is from ld. |
| 09:02.39 | aidalgol | "undefined reference" error |
| 09:02.40 | rox | FlashDeluxe: is yout /etc/inittab in order? |
| 09:03.24 | rox | aidalgol: if you are linking statically, it might be, that your libs are listed in the wrong order |
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| 09:03.57 | aidalgol | rox: I have no idea how it's linking, as it's not my project. I'm just trying to build Bullet. |
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| 09:06.06 | aidalgol | rants at his terminal: "I have OpenCL installed! What is your problem?!" |
| 09:07.26 | FlashDeluxe | rox: i will boot a live cd and check that |
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| 09:10.41 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
| 09:11.34 | waimondrio | Security related question: is it true that by default any application/process can access the same part of the filesystem as the user that started the application/process? |
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| 09:15.04 | FlashDeluxe | rox: its empty?! how is that possible |
| 09:15.22 | FlashDeluxe | rox: and how can i fix that? :/ |
| 09:15.32 | rox | FlashDeluxe: well, that is the source of your problems |
| 09:15.49 | rox | FlashDeluxe: if i were you, i'd first investigte what happened |
| 09:16.09 | rox | FlashDeluxe: but try this: reinstall init |
| 09:17.24 | rox | FlashDeluxe: i have a pretty much stock inittab file, i can send it to you, if you want to |
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| 09:18.30 | rox | FlashDeluxe: http://pastebin.com/CQmHu6LH |
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| 09:19.30 | FlashDeluxe | rox: thank you :) i will try that |
| 09:19.32 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
| 09:19.59 | ilj | hey guys, any ideas how I could set timezone to EET? Not Country[Region]/City format? |
| 09:20.00 | rox | FlashDeluxe: you still have to get to the bottom of what was it what wiped your file out |
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| 09:20.24 | Retenodus_ | I don't find an information about cron/crontab : if a crontab is planned and my server is shutdown, will be the task executed at the boot or any moment ? |
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| 09:21.00 | rox | Retenodus_: i don't think cron keeps tab of what it executed |
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| 09:21.32 | rox | Retenodus_: i am not sure about this, but i think if your server is down, it will miss a run |
| 09:22.46 | Iridos | Retenodus_, there's anacron for that. Cron pretty much assumes the machine will keep running all the time |
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| 09:24.10 | Retenodus_ | rox, Iridos : thanks |
| 09:25.04 | optraz | the datatype for long, long 64-bit signed two's complement integer -9223372036854775808(inclusive) 9223372036854775807 0L , what if the range i want is more than that? is there a modifier for it? |
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| 09:26.27 | Iridos | Retenodus_, "man anacron" is pretty interesting in that regard... |
| 09:26.48 | zophy | how do i start e16 ? |
| 09:27.15 | Iridos | Retenodus_, anacron only accepts things that run daily (or less often) and I'm not sure how it and cron work together |
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| 09:27.30 | shifty | spamc partially ignoring user_prefs, (example: blacklist_to is honoured, but custom "header" rules are ignored). Assistance to debug please? |
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| 09:28.01 | Iridos | Retenodus_, also, /usr/share/doc/anacron/README.Debian |
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| 09:29.15 | FlashDeluxe | rox: i will do that :) thanks for help so far |
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| 09:32.47 | guardian1 | hi |
| 09:32.52 | guardian1 | yesterday we talked about xmonad |
| 09:33.07 | guardian1 | just came across bluetile, is it stable? anyone using it? |
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| 09:33.39 | shifty | ok, perhaps an easier question... how do I determine /why/ spamassassin is ignoring some rules in ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs, but honouring others? |
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| 09:35.45 | rox | shifty: configuration hierarchy? |
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| 09:36.13 | rox | shifty: maybe some of your settings are overriding others |
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| 09:38.47 | zophy | how do i start enlightenment ? |
| 09:38.47 | Tobsn | hey, there was a way to turn off the password on startup with some alternative shell. i did it in the past but i cant find it anymore... (its a local vmware image so it doesnt need any security) |
| 09:39.02 | Tobsn | zophy, join scientology i guess :) |
| 09:39.18 | zophy | init=/bin/bash |
| 09:39.38 | zophy | kernel boot parameter is one way |
| 09:39.42 | Tobsn | hmm nah it was something like xbash or kbash or something... i remember changing the default bash for root |
| 09:40.09 | Tobsn | it was a simple 2 step process... apt-get install blahbash and then change to that bash in the .profile |
| 09:40.17 | Iridos | shifty, as most of it is perl, you can probably just grep the pm-files for the variable names |
| 09:40.36 | Mmike | Lads, do you know some tool that I could use to gather data about system load/performance, and then graph it easily later? Something like dstat, but not that :) |
| 09:40.36 | Tobsn | it drives me nuts because i found it on google and now i cant find the little tweak explained anywhere |
| 09:40.50 | shifty | rox: perhaps this is the case, although nothing obvious comes to hand. I can't answer your Q regarding the configuration hierarchy with great confidence, since I am not a spamassassin expert, but I can tell you this is a five year old, regularly updated sid system. So alas, I might need help determining exactly what my particular system is up to. |
| 09:40.55 | Tobsn | Mmike, cactai? |
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| 09:42.15 | shifty | Iridos: pm-files? you mean perl-modules? |
| 09:42.20 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
| 09:42.21 | Mmike | Tobias|, can I use it to poll for data every few seconds? Dstat is actually cool, it can spit the data to a CSV file, but then analyzing it later is bit of a pita. |
| 09:42.57 | Mmike | And I use munin for trending, more than enough, but, munin has poll frequency of 5 minutes, and my tests last only for few minutes, and I'd like to see the load-stats then. |
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| 09:44.47 | Tobsn | Mmike, nah its more for monitoring long term |
| 09:44.50 | Tobsn | with nice graphs etc. |
| 09:44.51 | shifty | Mmike: hate to be a bore, but a shell script with the stat gathering command and a sleep loop, piped to a file, and via your spreadsheet for a quicky graph might just be the ticket? |
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| 09:45.35 | CyberDomovoy | on my computer, i have some audio connectors at the back (5.1, line in, line out, mic), and other at the fron (mic and headset). I have alsa and pulseaudio installed, but when an application plays some sound, in goes everywhere, i'd like to be able to choose if it is sent on my speakers (back connectors) or to my headset+mic (front connectors). My card lspci as: "ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)". Any idea? |
| 09:46.00 | guardian1 | valdyn: looks like bluetile is the thing i shoudl try; it's xmonad preconfigured with easy switch back to floating windows in case i need to use apps like gimp |
| 09:46.10 | Mmike | Tobias|, that's what I've figured, yeps. I'm using munin for that same thing. |
| 09:46.32 | Mmike | shifty, yeps, that's what I have with dstat :) I just tought that there is a 'framework' that'd help a bit :0 |
| 09:47.02 | Tobsn | god i cant find that tutorial |
| 09:47.43 | Iridos | shifty, yes... you get the package contents with dpkg -L <package> ... |
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| 09:51.13 | Iridos | Tobsn, what's "the password at startup"? |
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| 09:51.37 | Tobsn | yeah, when you boot it up it asks for login and password, obviously... there was a trick to install some alternative bash to bypass that |
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| 09:51.45 | Tobsn | i did it once before but i cant remember |
| 09:51.50 | Iridos | graphical or not |
| 09:51.54 | Tobsn | no X |
| 09:52.11 | rox | Tobsn: ah, you are trying to bypass initial login, hacking into somebody else's computer, huh? |
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| 09:52.27 | Tobsn | erm, its a local vmware image |
| 09:52.30 | Tobsn | so, no. |
| 09:52.34 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 09:52.42 | shifty | Iridos: "grep the pm-files for the variable names". What variable names are you referring to? My particular issue is that I can seem to assign a custom rule in my user_prefs. The lines are "header SHIFTY Subject=~/XYZ/\nscore SHIFTY 1.1" |
| 09:52.54 | rox | Tobsn: there is a really easy and straightforward way of doing that, but whenever somebody asks this, i really have a dilemma on my hands |
| 09:53.18 | shifty | Ultimately, the questiion is /why is the happening?/ although I settle for /where is the rejection log message?/ |
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| 09:53.48 | Tobsn | i know you can just set the kernel boot string to init=/bin/bash |
| 09:53.54 | Tobsn | but i dont want that |
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| 09:54.24 | rox | Tobsn: once somebody was screwing with somebody else's computer and i led him through the procedure, only to later find out, that i helped an asshole mess with somebody else's machine |
| 09:54.33 | Tobsn | debian-6.0.2.1-i386-minimal.vmxf |
| 09:54.51 | Tobsn | just extracted. its an image, not someone elses box |
| 09:55.01 | Iridos | shifty, and the rules are stored in variables, which you define in the config file... |
| 09:55.02 | rox | Tobsn: well, if you know about init=/bin/bash, then you can do pretty much whatever you want with the machine |
| 09:55.12 | Tobsn | yes, but thats not what i was looking for |
| 09:55.19 | Tobsn | i want to find that altenrative bash/shell again |
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| 09:55.26 | Tobsn | zbash or bshell or something |
| 09:55.28 | rox | Tobsn: when you get root, you can passwd to change the user's passwords |
| 09:55.30 | Tobsn | i just cant fucking remember |
| 09:55.45 | Tobsn | i want to bypass the root login at all |
| 09:55.49 | shifty | Iridos: only at runtime! |
| 09:55.58 | rozie | Tobsn: GUI or CLI? |
| 09:56.05 | shifty | Iridos: grep won't grok runtime |
| 09:56.12 | rox | Tobsn: well, there is dash and zsh |
| 09:56.15 | Tobsn | like i said, i did it before and i found it somewhere on google in a little blog, and it was like two steps... apt-get that alternative bash and change one little setting somewhere |
| 09:56.17 | Tobsn | zsh |
| 09:56.18 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 09:56.33 | ansgar | Tobsn: Shells have really nothing to do with the login. |
| 09:56.37 | rozie | anyway, no root password is bad |
| 09:56.49 | rox | Tobsn: you change your user's shell in /etc/passwd |
| 09:56.51 | rozie | you can always allow user to sudo... |
| 09:57.00 | Iridos | shifty, I said variable names, not content |
| 09:57.10 | Tobsn | ah yes |
| 09:57.15 | Tobsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.19 | Tobsn | thats where it was changed |
| 09:57.21 | Tobsn | to some other bash |
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| 09:57.55 | rox | Tobsn: so you are looking for apt-get install zsh and then edit /etc/passwd to /bin/zsh |
| 09:58.40 | Tobsn | i guess |
| 09:58.47 | Tobsn | i just dont understand why i cant find it anymore on google |
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| 09:59.09 | Iridos | Tobsn, just make the account passwordless and be done with it |
| 09:59.10 | Slydder | am trying to get apache basic auth working based on server_alias. anyone have a link with further info? |
| 09:59.24 | Tobsn | Iridos, would that work for bootup? |
| 09:59.40 | Iridos | you're not asked anything at bootup! |
| 09:59.59 | Iridos | only after boot the console asks for user/password and it will still do that, but you just hit enter for the pwd |
| 10:00.29 | Tobsn | hmm |
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| 10:00.45 | Iridos | and on the text console, that happens because /etc/inittab executes getty for each tty |
| 10:00.56 | Iridos | and getty then runs login |
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| 10:01.08 | shifty | Iridos: OK, I must be missing something. I'm trying to define a custom rule. Call it SHIFTY (per my example above). I gather that exists at runtime in some sore of hash/dict. So I'm a little stuck. Let's pretend that I'm a beginner - any advice as to the inital steps I should take to ascertain why custom rules are being ignored? |
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| 10:01.30 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 10:01.40 | Tobsn | what really drives me nuts is that i cant find it anymore |
| 10:01.41 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 10:02.02 | Iridos | and I guess you could read man getty and specify /bin/bash with the -l option ... but... try with care, I never tried that and I'm not at all sure it would work |
| 10:02.19 | rox | Tobsn: well, we can't really help you with your googling skills here :-/ |
| 10:02.25 | Tobsn | hehe |
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| 10:03.29 | Iridos | Tobsn, well... instead of searching some (possibly) stupid tutorial, you could read some about boot process and login... if you just keep googling, you'll just have looked at a lot of useless sites, if you afterwards understand better how getty/login/pam/shell work together, you've learned something for life (albeit, possibly something you never need again) |
| 10:05.20 | Morgawr | hello everyone, I'll ask a question I tried to ask yesterday but I wasn't able to get a reply... |
| 10:05.26 | Tobsn | true |
| 10:05.28 | Tobsn | im just gonna try it |
| 10:05.29 | shifty | I recall what Tobsn is taking about. Debian asks for a (root) password when you boot recovery. Other systems don't. A solution is to modify the boot command (eg at the GRUB prompt) which will boot straight in (not asking for the pwd). What Tobsn wants to know is what the boot command is... (not sure, but I believe RedHat and other systems have something like this.) |
| 10:05.45 | Morgawr | I have some problems running dpkg under a virtualized file system (something experimental still so there are probably bugs), it throws me this error on some packages: http://i.imgur.com/kgHIx.png |
| 10:06.06 | Tobsn | yep, which would be init |
| 10:06.07 | Morgawr | does anyone know where I could read a bit more about how dpkg works (what operation it performs) or knows where I could find more info? |
| 10:06.13 | Tobsn | anyway, im just gonna test around |
| 10:06.38 | Morgawr | apparently unpacking the .deb file it gives problems with the .dpkg-new files (specifically while renaming them/moving them, or something like that) |
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| 10:07.52 | Iridos | shifty, ah... I always wondered about that "at boot" |
| 10:08.04 | Maiku-kun | what arguments are applied to shutdown command when I run /sbin/halt and runlevel is not 0 and 6? |
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| 10:08.18 | Maiku-kun | is it just shutdown -h now? |
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| 10:08.41 | lzskiss | yo |
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| 10:08.54 | rox | Maiku-kun: not sure, you'd have to check shutdown code |
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| 10:09.46 | rox | Maiku-kun: check manpage, it tells you that |
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| 10:09.58 | shifty | Tobsn: try http://www.debiantutorials.org/reset-root-password-debian-gnulinux-etch-286 |
| 10:10.14 | Maiku-kun | rox: it tells only about -h argument, but not about time |
| 10:10.42 | rox | Maiku-kun: well, my guess would be that it doesn't use next week for time |
| 10:10.43 | Tobsn | yeah i found that one |
| 10:10.58 | Tobsn | so there is only zsh and dbash? |
| 10:11.02 | rox | Maiku-kun: and while i don't really know, i am willing to bet on now; now is a pretty good guess |
| 10:11.09 | Iridos | Morgawr, .deb files are just .tgz files in an ar archive (if the unpacking bit is the real problem) |
| 10:11.18 | Maiku-kun | rox: this is a good guess, I think so ) |
| 10:11.21 | rox | Tobsn: there is a ton of shells |
| 10:11.38 | Tobsn | hmm yeah true |
| 10:11.45 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I'm having a little problem with process limits. I have the following line in /etc/security/limits.conf: |
| 10:11.50 | nyuszika7h | * hard nproc 30 |
| 10:11.58 | nyuszika7h | With only 9 processes running, cron sends me a mail with contents: |
| 10:11.58 | rox | Tobsn: you have historical bourne shell, korn shell and c shell, then you have bash, and dash and zsh are now popular |
| 10:12.00 | nyuszika7h | sh: Cannot fork |
| 10:12.10 | shifty | Tobsn: are you looking for a shell to use (why?) or something else (in which case, what?) |
| 10:12.17 | Maiku-kun | rox: also, as long as halt calls shutdown -h, why is there poweroff command? is it supposed to power off machine instead of halt? |
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| 10:12.26 | Morgawr | Iridos: yes, but apparently dpkg does something like unpacking and then renaming all the files... and somehow that operation fails (however renaming a single file in this filesystem doesn't fail and works perfectly). What is the issue with that? is it doing some other stuff that I don't see? |
| 10:12.28 | Iridos | Morgawr, and --unpack doesn't "just unpack" it unpacks it into the system as would happen with an install |
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| 10:12.37 | rox | Maiku-kun: halt is poweroff, as far as i know |
| 10:12.38 | Tobsn | well they used an alternative bash to skip the pass |
| 10:12.48 | rox | Maiku-kun: i think it's the same binary |
| 10:12.49 | shifty | Tobsn: because a shell isn't going to give you magic powers - they all do the same thing - just differently. |
| 10:12.50 | Tobsn | im just really curious now which one it was |
| 10:12.52 | Iridos | Morgawr, it complains that the file already exists... that's why it fails |
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| 10:13.03 | guardian | hmm i installed bluetile, then launched ./bluetile in a terminal but it doesn't give me back hand; so the terminal windows keeps lying on my desktop and it's annoying… what's the proper way to launch it please? |
| 10:13.25 | rox | Maiku-kun: file /sbin/poweroff |
| 10:13.42 | rox | Maiku-kun: i mean, run the command "file /sbin/poweroff" |
| 10:14.13 | shifty | Tobsn: "im just really curious now which one it was"... which one was /what/? |
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| 10:14.27 | shifty | Tobsn: can you define /what/ you are looking for? |
| 10:14.27 | Maiku-kun | damn, I've just saw ls /sbin/poweroff |
| 10:14.27 | Tobsn | which shell they used to turn off the password |
| 10:14.32 | Maiku-kun | rox: thanks) |
| 10:14.34 | Tobsn | and it was just a default bash change |
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| 10:15.31 | shifty | Tobsn: I don't think that was the shell. |
| 10:15.47 | Tobsn | yeah it was |
| 10:15.48 | Tobsn | anyway |
| 10:15.55 | Tobsn | i guess its not that important anyway |
| 10:16.04 | Tobsn | im just gonna set to no pass |
| 10:16.05 | shifty | Tobsn: so you have a "login" prompt, and you want to type your name, hit enter and then log in without a password? |
| 10:16.16 | Tobsn | no, nothing |
| 10:16.21 | Tobsn | directly into the shell as root |
| 10:16.38 | Iridos | Tobsn, the password - whereever asked - has nothing to do anything with the shell |
| 10:16.39 | shifty | Tobsn: "im just gonna set to no pass" correct. |
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| 10:17.24 | Iridos | Tobsn, but as shifty has said, we might not understand _when_ you're asked for a password (and we surely don't understand why it's such a big deal ;) |
| 10:17.59 | jelly | Tobsn: so, after the machine boots, you immediately have a root shell available on a virtual console? |
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| 10:18.32 | themill | What software do we have to send a one-off mail to a few hundred email addresses that I have in a text file? |
| 10:18.59 | rox | themill: mail? |
| 10:19.06 | ilj | so anyone has an idea how I could set timezone to EET? Not Country[Region]/City format? |
| 10:19.09 | jelly | Tobsn: if that's what you're after, it's not shell functionality at all. Likely a modification of inittab. |
| 10:19.10 | themill | rox: I need to set the From address |
| 10:19.24 | bux | hi, I need some help : after installing gnome my languages settings are a mess, my computer is half german/half emglish |
| 10:19.35 | bux | i ll like to have all in emglish |
| 10:19.38 | Tobsn | jelly yep |
| 10:20.31 | Iridos | the sendmail replacement can do that? |
| 10:20.58 | Iridos | themill, didn't know you started a business as a spammer now |
| 10:21.02 | nsadmin | bux, you need a second left half of brain maybe |
| 10:21.15 | themill | !slap Iridos |
| 10:21.15 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Iridos's face |
| 10:21.44 | linduxed | i'd like to do "du -hs" for a set of files, basically saying "what's the size of these files combined?" |
| 10:21.45 | Iridos | themill, well... I'm glad you haven't got MY email, so much for sure |
| 10:21.51 | linduxed | how would i do that? |
| 10:23.00 | jelly | linduxed: enumerate them and use -c option |
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| 10:23.13 | nsadmin | you mean how many blocks the files take, or the actual byte length? |
| 10:23.17 | bux | nsadmin: lawl |
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| 10:23.50 | bux | nsadmin: very helpful |
| 10:23.52 | bux | so qnyone |
| 10:24.04 | linduxed | jelly: ok that worked, thx |
| 10:24.46 | nsadmin | well this is a destructive method, but, you can: log out, back up your .gnome, remove the live copy, log in |
| 10:24.58 | linduxed | jelly: is there a way to omit printing the individual file sizes then? to just get the total |
| 10:25.24 | nsadmin | unfortunately using this method you lose all settings... but, since you backed up, you could restore it |
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| 10:25.46 | themill | Iridos: naturally, these are all people who said "please send me information on course registration when it is open" |
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| 10:26.04 | jelly | linduxed: | tail -n 1 |
| 10:26.12 | linduxed | haha, yeah that's true |
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| 10:26.24 | linduxed | always forget the gower of the almighty pipe :-D |
| 10:26.30 | linduxed | *power |
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| 10:27.28 | Iridos | themill, and your email program doesn't allow a bcc: that is a couple of 100 people long? |
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| 10:28.00 | themill | Iridos: it actually does and that's how I've done it in previous years. It's just a little tedious and error prone to do. |
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| 10:28.18 | shifty | linduxed: ls -l $FILES | awk 'BEGIN {print "0"} {print $5 "+"} END{print "p"}' | dc |
| 10:28.32 | jelly | !tell shifty about parsing ls |
| 10:28.57 | linduxed | jelly: why is parsing ls bad? |
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| 10:29.11 | themill | linduxed: read what dpkg said |
| 10:29.12 | jelly | !tell linduxed about parsing ls |
| 10:29.32 | jelly | anyone else: /msg dpkg parsing ls |
| 10:29.54 | jelly | feels accomplished |
| 10:30.00 | linduxed | hmmmm, good to know |
| 10:30.28 | shifty | jelly: as you should [feel accomplished] |
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| 10:30.43 | Iridos | themill, and actually, mail has the "-r" switch |
| 10:31.04 | Iridos | and -s for subject |
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| 10:31.23 | themill | Iridos: -r doesn't exist here... but "mail" can be many things. Which version are you using? |
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| 10:31.49 | themill | "bsd-mailx: /usr/bin/bsd-mailx" is the common choice (and what I have) |
| 10:31.57 | Iridos | themill, interesting... nuffin |
| 10:32.18 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.52 | Iridos | themill, that must be the default when installing squeeze, as I never consciously touched any of this |
| 10:33.22 | Iridos | and actually, on the bad side, I just tried to send test-mail from root to root and nothing arrives |
| 10:33.34 | Iridos | which must also be the default |
| 10:33.56 | themill | I have bsd-mailx on the machines that I upgraded from lenny. Fun. |
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| 10:34.21 | jelly | themill: that's the best one |
| 10:34.24 | stockholm | yes, is that bad? |
| 10:34.27 | stockholm | i thought so too |
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| 10:34.35 | nyuszika7h | You have to install exim4, sendmail or postfix to be able to send and receive mail. |
| 10:34.40 | jelly | nyuszika7h: LIES |
| 10:34.43 | th0mz | E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/proftpd-dfsg/proftpd-dfsg_1.3.1-17lenny9/changelog |
| 10:34.44 | nyuszika7h | jelly: Really? |
| 10:34.46 | th0mz | any idea please ? |
| 10:34.57 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 10:34.57 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:35.09 | nyuszika7h | I'm using Exim on Debian and Postfix on Arch. |
| 10:35.21 | nyuszika7h | !stupid bot |
| 10:35.21 | dpkg | no, stupid nyuszika7h |
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| 10:35.22 | jelly | nyuszika7h: yeah. Depends on your definition of "to send and receive mail" |
| 10:35.37 | Iridos | nyuszika7h, exim4 comes with... dunno... one of the tasks and is installed... and I know it's not delivering everything magically from nuffin :) |
| 10:35.52 | nyuszika7h | jelly: You can't send mail without an MTA. |
| 10:35.58 | nyuszika7h | Iridos: Oh, tasksel? |
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| 10:36.12 | jelly | nyuszika7h: the MTA needn't be installed on the same machine |
| 10:36.15 | nsadmin | yes you can... the smarthost can be remote |
| 10:36.38 | nyuszika7h | heirloom-mailx + exim4 worked without any configuration for me after I installed them. Should work with bsd-mailx, too. |
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| 10:37.14 | Iridos | nyuszika7h, mail is required to send some error messages (cron!), so it's pulled in easily by some task or other during install... but i couldn't say which |
| 10:37.15 | themill | wonders who nyuszika7h thinks he's helping |
| 10:37.28 | nsadmin | well actually the package was configured... if you weren't prompted, a default configuation was installed |
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| 10:37.35 | nyuszika7h | And now, can anyone answer my previous question about process limits? |
| 10:37.54 | nyuszika7h | sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install heirloom-mailx && sudo aptitude install exim4 |
| 10:38.03 | nsadmin | no, not just anyone... it has to be someone who knows the answer! |
| 10:38.27 | nyuszika7h | 11:11:41 < nyuszika7h> Hi, I'm having a little problem with process limits. I have the following line in /etc/security/limits.conf: || 11:11:43 < nyuszika7h> * hard nproc 30 || 11:11:52 < nyuszika7h> With only 9 processes running, cron sends me a mail with contents: ||11:11:54 < nyuszika7h> sh: Cannot fork |
| 10:38.35 | nyuszika7h | nsadmin: Haha, good point |
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| 10:40.46 | Iridos | nyuszika7h, 42 |
| 10:40.52 | nyuszika7h | Iridos: lol |
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| 10:41.46 | Iridos | perhaps your count of "only 9 processes" is inaccurate |
| 10:42.13 | nsadmin | what user runs the cronjob? |
| 10:42.49 | Iridos | dunno... I've actually experienced something similar, but with a memory ulimit... seems to stop processes long before it should |
| 10:43.05 | shifty | themill: you have been doing this job manually in past years - so why not just change part of the process - create the mail job programatically, but import into your MUA manually. Best of both worlds. (Assumption being this is a very occasional job, that might be good to check before it exits...) |
| 10:43.11 | Iridos | root! /o\ |
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| 10:44.09 | themill | shifty: that's actually pretty much what I've been doing already. I just thought I could make life a little simpler this time. |
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| 10:44.47 | jklo | Hello people. Does a scannerdriver exist for my samsung clx 3175? |
| 10:45.33 | nsadmin | I wonder also, which form the message from sh is referring to... |
| 10:46.35 | nsadmin | is it the fork spawned by crond, or the fork that produced the process that actually implements the job |
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| 10:46.42 | shifty | themill: sure. In my case, my MUA is mutt. Good chance it could send raw messages (honouring headers, etc, etc.) I'll leave you to explore. |
| 10:47.29 | shifty | themill: (do what you want from a cronjob) is what i mean. good luck/happy RTFMing. |
| 10:47.46 | guardian | is debian using evdev to configure X keyboard? |
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| 10:48.32 | themill | shifty: yeah, it'd take me longer to set up something like that from scratch than to duplicate a template several times and paste in a pile of addresses into the BCC field. Thanks anyway though :) |
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| 10:49.19 | dokma | hey guyz, peeps on #xfce are totally silent so I'll ask here aswell, my Log Out dialog in xfce4 on Debian does not show up. I just get logged out when I press logout on the main menu. |
| 10:49.32 | dokma | is this something configurable or something got broken? |
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| 10:51.45 | nsadmin | probably botgh |
| 10:52.00 | dokma | nsadmin: talkin to me? |
| 10:52.06 | nsadmin | it probably IS configurable, and possibly IS broken |
| 10:52.13 | jklo | Hello people. I have a scanner/printer samsung clx 3175. printing works, but i can't scan. can someone help me? |
| 10:52.25 | dokma | nsadmin: you got any clue where this might be configurable? |
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| 10:52.31 | dokma | I might find a way to reset it |
| 10:52.49 | nsadmin | how exactly do you log in? |
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| 10:53.10 | dokma | slim displays a login screen, type in user pass and that's it |
| 10:53.23 | dokma | it's on a laptop, compaq N610 |
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| 10:55.16 | nsadmin | ok, so: log out, go to a console, log in, find the configuration files (~you/.something), move them out of the way (move ~you/.something ~you/.something-disabled), try logging in |
| 10:55.32 | dokma | good idea.... |
| 10:55.36 | dokma | will try that now |
| 10:55.58 | nsadmin | you'll need to replace ~you with ~youruser and .something with the config dir, maybe for xfce |
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| 10:57.58 | nsadmin | then go back to X (which should show the login screen), log in and see what happens |
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| 10:59.43 | nsadmin | again, the unfortunate part of this is you would lose all your settings... but, if you moved them out of the way, you could restore them if you want |
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| 11:00.41 | conntrack | funny fuckers |
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| 11:02.15 | nsadmin | flying forks find fuckers funny flopping feebly forcible fangs for free! |
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| 11:03.50 | conntrack | just hilarious |
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| 11:05.08 | conntrack | The network sucks |
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| 11:06.25 | vikas | how do i get nm-applet to remember the WiFI password? |
| 11:06.56 | vikas | some googling suggested looking at .gnome2/keyrings and see if there are any files or use seahorse |
| 11:07.16 | vikas | seahorse shows a login.store and the file's there in .gnome2/keyring as well |
| 11:07.25 | vikas | I'm running testing+gnome3, btw |
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| 11:22.49 | claw | hello i have following problem.... some of my servers sent mails to root@mydomain.... but that address does not exists. how can i stop exim4 sending mails to that address ? |
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| 11:23.04 | claw | i dont even know whichs daemons cause that problem |
| 11:23.35 | walle | claw: lsof |
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| 11:25.30 | claw | walle, and ? |
| 11:25.50 | claw | "lists on its standard output file information about files opened by processes for the following UNIX dialects" |
| 11:26.54 | walle | claw: May be you can see exim's deamon |
| 11:27.16 | walle | claw: It's only my guess |
| 11:27.43 | claw | i was more thinking of forward those emails to anyone that exists |
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| 11:40.54 | skilz | How can I change the GTK font size? |
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| 11:41.51 | skilz | I have a laptop that only has a max resolution of 1024x768 so I want to change the GTK font size to make the resolution appear smaller |
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| 11:43.12 | rox | skilz: well, you do have window manager settings |
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| 11:47.11 | skilz | rox, im using fluxbox |
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| 11:48.33 | rox | skilz: no idea then, sorry |
| 11:48.54 | mikeFisher | im using glue |
| 11:49.07 | mikeFisher | takes another sniff |
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| 11:52.02 | jelly | skilz: gtk-chtheme ? |
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| 12:09.42 | Tobsn | is there a way in gnome to resign keys? |
| 12:10.23 | Tobsn | i want altgr+0 to give out a different character |
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| 12:13.51 | skilz | How do I make network-manager run when my system boots? |
| 12:13.56 | nkuttler | !tell Tobsn about keymap |
| 12:14.00 | arghx | it does so automatically? |
| 12:14.12 | gnarface | skilz: fucking how do you have that problem? |
| 12:14.13 | skilz | so I dont have to # network-manager and enter my password |
| 12:14.13 | arghx | Tobsn: xmodmap |
| 12:14.14 | nkuttler | skilz: that's the default |
| 12:14.32 | arghx | skilz: maybe tell network-manager your wlan password and let it save it? |
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| 12:14.45 | skilz | nah its eth0 |
| 12:15.00 | arghx | nm runs by default, but you haven't configured it properly. and eth0 is stupid to run eth0 on. interfaces if fine for that |
| 12:15.05 | gnarface | skilz: you're the first person who has come here in the history of time who isn't asking how to disable network manager. usually the problem is getting rid of it. it sticks to your ass like freshly chewed bubble gum |
| 12:15.09 | jkroon | hi guys, can anyone explain to me what the difference between debian's mod-auth-mysql and the mod_auth_mysql at sourceforce is please? |
| 12:15.22 | Tobsn | ah |
| 12:15.25 | Tobsn | xkeycaps |
| 12:15.34 | skilz | when i startup, i run 'nm-applet' |
| 12:15.43 | skilz | sorry nm-applet is what I want to load |
| 12:15.46 | arghx | eth is stupid to run nm on rather |
| 12:15.51 | arghx | !autostart |
| 12:16.30 | gnarface | jkroon: *i* can't tell you, but chances are the file README.Debian (or perhaps README.Debian.gz) in the /usr/share/doc/mod-auth-mysql directory can |
| 12:16.30 | arghx | skilz: gnome has a setting to start stuff when it starts. use it |
| 12:16.42 | skilz | im running fluxbox |
| 12:16.50 | arghx | skilz: fluxbox does too |
| 12:16.54 | nkuttler | skilz: check the fluxbox docs |
| 12:16.58 | arghx | if all fails. ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:17.00 | nkuttler | or just use your ~/.xsession |
| 12:18.09 | arghx | http://www.google.com/search?q=fluxbox+start+program+automatically gives me two things at first hits: How to start programs with FluxBox at startup and .:F L U X B O X:. - Documentation - FAQ and so on. are you too lazy to google? |
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| 12:18.57 | gnarface | even if network manager wasn't full of fail, the fact exists that despite being a GUI program its vastly more complicated to learn to use than the equivalent text file configuration and has very bizarre nuances in its behavior to add insult to injury. (the injury is it always fails on you) |
| 12:19.17 | arghx | for wlan it has its uses sadly |
| 12:19.40 | gnarface | wlan == wireless ? |
| 12:19.43 | gnarface | or wlan == wan? |
| 12:19.45 | arghx | for ethernet only if very very careful reasons |
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| 12:20.12 | arghx | no one ever could think with "wlan" about a wan but you |
| 12:20.43 | gnarface | so uh... wireless? |
| 12:20.53 | gnarface | i guess i never could get it to behave |
| 12:21.00 | gnarface | it was easier to just learn to type ifup/ifdown |
| 12:21.27 | gnarface | hell if your laptop is old enough to need a pcmcia network card, pcmcia hotplug even takes care of that for you |
| 12:21.30 | jkroon | gnarface, where can I locate those files online, because as it stands I have a gentoo box and need to decide between the mod_auth_mysql and mod-auth-mysql packages. |
| 12:21.36 | jkroon | will see if I can locate that file online. |
| 12:22.05 | linduxed | i just realized that i need to get ruby working on my debian server, but i'm not sure if i should install with apt or if i should resort to this "RVM" thing that i've been recommended |
| 12:22.11 | linduxed | any thoughts on this? |
| 12:22.29 | gnarface | jkroon: they would be part of the package itself. you could just download it from a repo and take it apart... i think you can pull debs apart with cpio just like rpms, but don't quote me on that |
| 12:22.37 | arghx | linduxed: we will only recommend and support apt. if you use anything else: good luck and please ask elsewhere for support |
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| 12:23.04 | arghx | jkroon: ask #gentoo where to get files, not us |
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| 12:24.08 | linduxed | arghx: oh i see |
| 12:24.17 | linduxed | arghx: well, that sounds reasonable |
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| 12:25.16 | gnarface | linduxed: unfortunately ruby is full of egomaniacs who don't understand the point of integrating with native tools because ruby is primarily developed on MAC |
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| 12:25.48 | linduxed | gnarface: *sigh* yeah i know... |
| 12:26.11 | gnarface | linduxed: your best hope (aside from buying a mac and drinking the purple kool-aid) is to start with the deb packages and get as much of ruby in as you can then use the internal ruby methods to get the extra components |
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| 12:26.37 | gnarface | linduxed: if you want to make the world a better place, put some ruby gems in deb packages |
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| 12:26.45 | linduxed | gnarface: i'm starting to learn the language, and while it might be nice, there's a lot of things around it that i don't like (like the simple fact that i still don't think there's such a concept as "stable" for ruby) |
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| 12:27.16 | linduxed | gnarface: how would one go about doing that? |
| 12:27.19 | gnarface | oh or like the fact it has no ++ operator cause the one guy who is in charge of the = parser has a short man complex |
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| 12:29.41 | gnarface | linduxed: to go about packaging a gem? unfortunately since the gem install process doesn't use make like everything else does i can't point you to a quick+dirty auto-packaging tool (checkinstall afaik only works with make/cmake/xmkmf and the like) i only know where the documentation is, i haven't read it yet |
| 12:30.08 | linduxed | gnarface: :-( |
| 12:30.21 | gnarface | linduxed: the bot knows it too |
| 12:30.22 | gnarface | i think |
| 12:30.23 | gnarface | hmm |
| 12:30.27 | gnarface | !new maintainers? |
| 12:30.32 | gnarface | hmm |
| 12:31.07 | gnarface | well, whatever i don't remember the bot keyword but here is the link linduxed: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 12:31.49 | arghx | linduxed: ruby-echoe - Rubygems packaging tool that provides common Rake tasks ruby-hoe - rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles rubygems - package management framework for Ruby libraries/applications |
| 12:32.10 | gnarface | there's a good one to know |
| 12:32.36 | gnarface | arghx++ |
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| 12:36.12 | pasky | Hi! I'd be a lot more comfortable with allowing upgrade to gnome3 in wheezy to proceed if I knew that I have an option to go back to gnome2 for the time being if anything breaks too badly - is that possible to do easily once I upgrade? |
| 12:36.42 | gnarface | all the poor gnomelettes. i feel so sorry for them... they're all being led to the slaughter |
| 12:37.09 | arghx | pasky: no |
| 12:37.16 | arghx | !tell pasky about downgrade |
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| 12:37.41 | gnarface | i'm still nursing a cached copy of e16 from like 6 years ago |
| 12:37.58 | redguy | hi, is there a sysv-rc-conf for upstart |
| 12:38.00 | gnarface | so far sid has yet to become allergic to it but is no longer in the repos, and i am sad |
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| 12:40.42 | arghx | redguy: are you really running upstart with debian? |
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| 12:43.07 | redguy | arghx: I remember "converting to dependancy based init" signs |
| 12:43.21 | redguy | arghx: erm, messages |
| 12:43.23 | arghx | that's not upstart |
| 12:43.55 | arghx | !tell redguy about lsb tags |
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| 12:45.06 | redguy | arghx: hmm, so it's still sysv-init with the addition of some dependancy checing and generation? |
| 12:45.18 | redguy | arghx: indeed I have sysv-rc installed |
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| 12:50.40 | pif | hi, any suggestion for the perl upgrade problem "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on already unpacked 'perl'" ? |
| 12:51.07 | arghx | there are errors before that. and you should better know than running sid |
| 12:51.23 | themill | pif: "don't mix squeeze and wheezy" is normally the answer for that |
| 12:51.35 | redguy | arghx: ok, found the docs I ought ro read before asking here at: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 12:51.36 | arghx | themill: did wheezy get a new perl too? |
| 12:51.38 | redguy | thanks! |
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| 12:52.16 | themill | arghx: not yet, but you can get that problem if you have a squeeze/wheezy mix and something pulls in new perl via a perl module or embedded perl scripting or similar |
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| 12:55.22 | pif | ok, I fixed it by "dpkg --purge --force-depends libextutils-cbuilder-perl" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 12:55.29 | jelly | there sure are lots of immediate configuration issues with wheezy these days |
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| 12:56.41 | adisbladis | Im trying to build a .deb from my gentoo system with dpkg-buildpackage. Im getting "gzip: unrecognized option '--rsyncable'" so I guess this option requires a debian patched gzip.. Is there any way I can tell it not to use that option? |
| 12:59.32 | themill | jelly: yeah. I'm not looking forward to squeeze->wheezy at this stage. |
| 13:00.18 | Iridos | jelly, it's called wheezy... what did you expect |
| 13:01.28 | jelly | Iridos: aptitude not to break that badly that obviously |
| 13:01.56 | jelly | I expect that on sid, too, except when libapt is in transition or something |
| 13:02.05 | Iridos | jelly, time to adjust your expectations |
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| 13:03.20 | jelly | no, time to file RC bugs |
| 13:03.34 | Iridos | and I think themill just thought of something like while read -r address ; do mail -r sumwun -s sumpthin "$address" <xx; done <file |
| 13:03.47 | arghx | at this point in time it's perfectly normal for wheezy to break badly and it's way too soon for rc bugs |
| 13:03.56 | Iridos | <-- went to lunch in between |
| 13:04.19 | themill | Iridos: yeah, just using my regular MUA was just as easy as that given the funnies of MTAs here. |
| 13:04.28 | themill | jelly: not that easy to fix, unfortunately. |
| 13:04.42 | jelly | themill: mh ftw! |
| 13:05.08 | jelly | ,whatprovides mh |
| 13:05.11 | judd | Package mh in squeeze/i386 is provided by: nmh. |
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| 13:05.17 | jelly | hmmh. |
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| 13:05.37 | Iridos | nmh? never mind hell? |
| 13:05.49 | Iridos | \o/ that fixes jellies grief |
| 13:06.01 | Iridos | or is it "jellys" |
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| 13:12.03 | Twinkletoes | Can anyone test www.ijento.com please? I might have buggered my DNS |
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| 13:12.41 | technologov | i can load this page |
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| 13:13.19 | Iridos | http://www.websitedown.info/www.ijento.com |
| 13:13.28 | Iridos | this (and me) disagree |
| 13:13.55 | Twinkletoes | technologov: Thank you... what nameservers are you running? |
| 13:13.57 | Twinkletoes | using |
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| 13:14.16 | Twinkletoes | Iridos: Great link, thakn you! |
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| 13:16.06 | technologov | linux-atxq:~ # nslookup www.ijento.com |
| 13:16.06 | technologov | Server: 10.0.0.138 |
| 13:16.06 | technologov | Address: 10.0.0.138#53 |
| 13:16.06 | technologov | Non-authoritative answer: |
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| 13:16.30 | Iridos | Twinkletoes, there's more the like... www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ doj.me downforeveryoneorjustme.eu/ downorjust.me/ |
| 13:17.39 | Twinkletoes | Weird DNS thing going on here I think... 'dig @8.8.8.8 ijento.com ns' gives correct name servers, so pick one, and 'dig @8.8.8.8 www.ijento.com' gives no answer |
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| 13:18.01 | Twinkletoes | However, if you dig against the IP address of ns1.ijento.com , you do get the right answer |
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| 13:22.28 | skilz | anyone know a way to make the font in rhythmbox smaller? |
| 13:22.50 | walle | skilz: setting gnome font |
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| 13:23.01 | skilz | walle, im using fluxbox |
| 13:23.05 | walle | skilz: tweak tool |
| 13:23.25 | skilz | tweak tool? |
| 13:23.29 | walle | skilz: hm... you may need to edit fluxbox config |
| 13:24.03 | walle | skilz: but i don't know edit which, you can see it's doc |
| 13:24.39 | Iridos | what? that shouldn't be a WM property |
| 13:24.55 | gnarface | isn't fluxbox a gtk2 WM? |
| 13:25.06 | Iridos | although it's easy to see that rhythmbox gets it from gnome settings |
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| 13:27.17 | Iridos | gnome-appearance-properties, part of gnome-control-center is used to set it in gnome |
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| 13:33.48 | waimondrio | Security related question: is it true that by default any application/process can access the same part of the filesystem as the user that started the application/process? |
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| 13:34.24 | skilz | whats a really minimal gtk mp3 player that supports playlist |
| 13:35.05 | arghx | waimondrio: yes |
| 13:35.41 | karlpinc | waimondrio: Usually but not always an application inherit's it's user/group id from it's parent process. |
| 13:35.55 | karlpinc | s/'//g *sigh* |
| 13:35.59 | xittum | skilz: not gtk but i like mocp |
| 13:36.05 | arghx | karlpinc: but by default it does |
| 13:36.12 | karlpinc | arghx: Right. |
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| 13:36.42 | mikeFisher | what are people using for website stats these days? ideally someting that removed bot activity would be nice |
| 13:36.43 | karlpinc | waimondrio: So, the app _is_ the user just as the shell _is_ the user. |
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| 13:37.10 | walle | skilz: rythm |
| 13:37.10 | petemc | mikeFisher: i use visitors |
| 13:37.28 | arghx | mikeFisher: most probably use google analytics :( |
| 13:37.30 | walle | skilz: also, you can use mplayer cli |
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| 13:37.56 | karlpinc | petemc: I'll remember. Thanks. |
| 13:38.46 | xittum | mikeFisher: sad but it seems like google :) |
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| 13:41.40 | karlpinc | !tell waimondrio about permissions |
| 13:42.02 | mikeFisher | right, |
| 13:42.48 | mikeFisher | pity about that .. every time I click on the "sign in to google analytics" thing, I get "this service si not active on your acount" |
| 13:43.04 | mikeFisher | I wasted several hours lookign for how to activate it, I gave up |
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| 13:43.28 | xittum | good..he |
| 13:44.03 | arghx | mikeFisher: piwik, twatch |
| 13:44.16 | walle | when debian will put gnome3.2 in testing source |
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| 13:44.36 | arghx | !tell walle about wir |
| 13:44.57 | walle | arghx: nothing |
| 13:45.01 | mikeFisher | arghx, is that meant to mean someting? |
| 13:45.17 | mikeFisher | or are you speaking in tagalog? |
| 13:45.18 | arghx | mikeFisher: please google the terms you don't undersand |
| 13:45.21 | arghx | +t |
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| 13:47.33 | abrotman | walle: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 13:47.39 | abrotman | walle: there's a status page |
| 13:47.50 | walle | abrotman: hello, nice to see again :-) |
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| 13:48.51 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:48.52 | themill | helps abrotman escape out the back door |
| 13:48.56 | rox | abrotman: you've been active on this channel for more then a decade, right? |
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| 13:49.10 | abrotman | rox: uhm .. roughly that long .. thanks for rubbing it in :) |
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| 13:49.18 | themill | poor old bastard |
| 13:49.31 | abrotman | maybe 2002 .. not sure |
| 13:49.53 | rox | abrotman: c'mon, i remember, you were one of the people, who helped me get started in debian back in 2000 |
| 13:50.06 | rox | abrotman: you and greycat and sussudio |
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| 13:50.22 | abrotman | rox: it's possible .. that was many beers ago :) |
| 13:50.35 | walle | abrotman: great man :-) |
| 13:51.11 | abrotman | walle: does that page answer your question ? |
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| 13:53.02 | walle | abrotman: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 13:53.18 | walle | abrotman: I think it's too slow... |
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| 13:54.30 | mikeFisher | arghx, thnaks for those, but can;t find .debs for either :( |
| 13:54.39 | mikeFisher | !version piwik |
| 13:54.39 | defaultnick | Linux vortex 2.6.35.4-rscloud #8 SMP Mon Sep 20 15:54:33 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 |
| 13:54.45 | abrotman | walle: wrong URL |
| 13:55.01 | mikeFisher | !versions piwik |
| 13:55.01 | defaultnick | Linux vortex 2.6.35.4-rscloud #8 SMP Mon Sep 20 15:54:33 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 |
| 13:55.10 | walle | abrotman: hm...which is right? |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | !versions |
| 13:55.14 | defaultnick | Linux vortex 2.6.35.4-rscloud #8 SMP Mon Sep 20 15:54:33 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 |
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| 13:55.29 | walle | !versions |
| 13:55.29 | defaultnick | Linux vortex 2.6.35.4-rscloud #8 SMP Mon Sep 20 15:54:33 UTC 2010 x86_64 x86_64 |
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| 13:55.44 | abrotman | defaultnick: you can msg me when you turn off that script, we already have a bot in here, thanks |
| 13:56.07 | abrotman | walle: /msg dpkg gnome3 .. that has the right URL |
| 13:56.26 | abrotman | could have sworn he said that already |
| 13:57.08 | walle | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:59.06 | mikeFisher | hmm seems piwik never got packaged |
| 13:59.30 | abrotman | you didn't do it ? |
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| 13:59.53 | mikeFisher | im fairly sure I would have remembered |
| 14:00.35 | scrote | moin. |
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| 14:00.49 | mikeFisher | im also failry sure if I had, it would be unfinished and or broken |
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| 14:02.06 | walle | abrotman: I have read information here http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html, but i can not understand when gnome3.2 will in testing pool. |
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| 14:02.33 | walle | abrotman: I know it's in exp pool now |
| 14:03.19 | lolcat^ | walle: You should use sid, it is betterer |
| 14:03.52 | walle | lolcat^: thanks, I only use testing, I think it suit me |
| 14:04.08 | lolcat^ | walle: try aptosid |
| 14:04.13 | lolcat^ | If you don't like chromium |
| 14:04.16 | skilz | im sharing my internet from ppp0 to eth0, is it possible to share ppp0 to eth0 and wlan0 simultaneously? |
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| 14:06.37 | abrotman | walle: do not listen to lolcat |
| 14:06.41 | abrotman | lolcat^: please stop that |
| 14:06.56 | abrotman | skilz: should be |
| 14:07.18 | walle | abrotman: I know, because I suggest other people to use testing before :-) |
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| 14:07.44 | lolcat^ | abrotman: Giving sound advice? I love aptosid, apart from the broken chromium and the fact that it isn't binary compatible with ubuntu 10.04 |
| 14:08.07 | boudiccas | lolcat^; are you running ubuntu then? |
| 14:08.07 | walle | abrotman: I only think testing is a balance between unstable and feature, but sid have too many problem |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | lolcat^: this is #debian .. not #recommendotherdistros .. and recommending sid is not sound advice |
| 14:08.30 | abrotman | walle: reasonable plan |
| 14:08.31 | lolcat^ | boudiccas: No aptosid |
| 14:08.42 | lolcat^ | abrotman: What is wrong with sid? |
| 14:08.57 | abrotman | lolcat^: it breaks, sometimes badly .. please stop recommending people use it .. Thanks |
| 14:09.01 | themill | lolcat^: it's most certainly not designed for users who can't fix their own problems. |
| 14:09.03 | lolcat^ | sid is like ubuntu without bloat |
| 14:09.09 | boudiccas | lolcat^; what the hell is 'aptosid'? never heard of it before! |
| 14:09.13 | abrotman | lolcat^: knock it of |
| 14:09.15 | abrotman | off |
| 14:09.21 | abrotman | boudiccas: /msg dpkg sidux |
| 14:09.27 | lolcat^ | boudiccas: It is debian sid + ceni + some scripts + some artwork |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | IOW .. it's not Debian .. and offtopic here |
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| 14:10.25 | walle | abrotman: ...:-( |
| 14:10.38 | abrotman | you can talk about it in #debian-offtopic if you'd like to continue |
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| 14:11.00 | wilfredor | Hi |
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| 14:11.12 | wilfredor | How I could run cron from apache user? |
| 14:11.17 | wilfredor | *crontab |
| 14:11.50 | abrotman | wilfredor: su - apache -c "command" ? |
| 14:12.26 | arghx | wilfredor: but the "apache user" in debian is www-data |
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| 14:12.53 | wilfredor | abrotman: That command should I run it all the time or only once? |
| 14:12.57 | wilfredor | arghx: ok ok |
| 14:13.14 | abrotman | wilfredor: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 14:13.20 | walle | abrotman: I'm goto oftc debian-zh channel :-) |
| 14:13.28 | wilfredor | abrotman: http://text0.tk/70 |
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| 14:15.04 | abrotman | my spanish is rusty .. but that seems bad |
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| 14:18.24 | mikeFisher | is it legal to use PHP for sysadmin tasks? |
| 14:18.28 | walle | abrotman: my filesystem have 30,0000 files, do you think it's more or less ? I use ext4 |
| 14:18.56 | mikeFisher | i believe it may be a felony in some states |
| 14:19.09 | abrotman | walle: huh ? |
| 14:19.15 | abrotman | mikeFisher: depends :) |
| 14:19.39 | walle | abrotman: I mean how many file ext4 can load |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | way more than that |
| 14:19.59 | walle | abrotman: :-) |
| 14:20.11 | oufo | walle: check with df -i |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | oufo: that's how many for that file system .. not ext4 in general |
| 14:20.35 | octane- | Is there a way to configure apt to fetch directly when the configured proxy is not available? |
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| 14:21.40 | walle | oufo: 310683 11100773, .... ext4 can contain so many, i onlu use 310683 |
| 14:21.53 | oufo | so you don't have a problem then :P |
| 14:22.04 | walle | oufo: is system speed will become slow if have too many file? |
| 14:22.34 | oufo | i've never gone even close to inode limit so i can't say :) |
| 14:23.05 | walle | oufo: ok, thanks |
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| 14:23.41 | walle | oufo: what is the diff before vim-gtk and vim-gnome |
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| 14:23.58 | walle | oufo: I mean, is vim-gnome is better for gnome desktop environment? |
| 14:24.26 | oufo | probably since it's called that :P (i'm an emacs guy myself) |
| 14:25.34 | walle | oufo: ok, thanks |
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| 14:35.04 | WormFood | Did Deluge delete all of it's settings for anyone else running testing? |
| 14:35.30 | WormFood | can I expect Deluge to delete all of it's settings every time I update it? |
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| 14:37.58 | Cerise | hi, i'm trying to access a lvm volume group with 2 pvs, but one of the hdds is gone. i managed to extract the lvm2 metadata from a pv, and i'm trying to 'pvcreate --restore /etc/lvm/backup/vg0 --uuid UUID_HERE /dev/sdb2' on a live system. however, i always get 'Couldn't find device with uuid x' and 'Device /dev/sdb2 not found (or ignored by filtering)'. what might be wrong? |
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| 14:40.18 | jelly | WormFood: eh, file a bug and restore from a backup? |
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| 14:54.38 | muszek | hi... can I find nodejs packages for Squeeze anywhere? If not, is there any recommended way of installing it? |
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| 14:55.46 | merethan | Hi all |
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| 14:57.01 | Dulak | muszek: install 'build-essential' package, download the node source, unpack it, run './configure --prefix ~/local' then run 'make && make install' |
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| 14:57.21 | Dulak | muszek: that will put node into ~/local/bin |
| 14:57.47 | muszek | Dulak: so it will be easy to remove, right? |
| 14:58.04 | Dulak | muszek: you can add that to your PATH in .bashrc so you can run node from anywhere |
| 14:58.06 | aristarchus | are there any risks to my system if my / partition filled it up? |
| 14:58.22 | merethan | I have a graphical desktop on my desk (slow atom) which I would like to use as remote control to a server (fast opteron). Intended purpose is running Eclipse, compilers and all on the server while having the graphical output on the desktop. |
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| 14:58.34 | Dulak | muszek: yes that's why you make it install to ~/local |
| 14:58.36 | merethan | What is the best way to achieve this? |
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| 14:58.53 | Dulak | muszek: so you can just 'rm -rf ~/local' to delete it |
| 14:59.09 | merethan | Tunneling x11r6 protocol to my desktop? |
| 14:59.16 | merethan | vnc/rdp? |
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| 14:59.22 | petemc | merethan: i use nx for my remote desktop needs |
| 15:00.02 | Dulak | merethan: that's really slow, the fastest remote is rdp, if you can get xrdp working on the server that's the best bet |
| 15:00.11 | Dulak | merethan: or nx per petemc, that is very fast too |
| 15:00.37 | merethan | Tunneling x11r6 is a bad option? |
| 15:00.46 | Dulak | It's slow |
| 15:00.53 | Dulak | not bad, just slow |
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| 15:01.07 | merethan | Why is this functionality still in Xorg then? |
| 15:01.21 | Dulak | Because it works fine on a lan |
| 15:01.38 | merethan | I am on a lan |
| 15:01.46 | abrotman | VNC is fine, just slow |
| 15:02.08 | merethan | Dulak, server and desktop are on the same LAN |
| 15:02.12 | merethan | in my case |
| 15:02.18 | Dulak | if you are on a lan whatever you do will probably be fine, I thought you wanted wan access |
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| 15:02.48 | merethan | Dulak, no, not really needed. |
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| 15:10.58 | StephenS | for hosting web servers |
| 15:11.05 | StephenS | is it faster 32 bit ot 64 bit? |
| 15:11.20 | muszek | muszek@alpha:/etc/apt$ ping google.com |
| 15:11.20 | muszek | ping: unknown host google.com # what should I do? I'm connected to this system by ssh, so there is network. |
| 15:11.47 | merethan | muszek, check the resolver |
| 15:11.54 | merethan | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:11.56 | Dulak | web servers use very little cpu really, so the cpu doesn't matter as long as you have something fairly recent it doesn't matter |
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| 15:12.13 | StephenS | well Im looking up to 256mb of ram and 512 of swap. |
| 15:12.24 | StephenS | I will host one forum and one simple website |
| 15:12.32 | merethan | Well within 32bit address space |
| 15:12.33 | Dulak | StephenS: it's the ram that will get you, not the cpu |
| 15:12.34 | StephenS | I guess it can work under lighthttpd very well |
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| 15:12.49 | StephenS | yes ram, so I ask is 32 bit use less memory ? |
| 15:13.01 | Dulak | StephenS: yes, 32 bit uses less ram |
| 15:13.58 | Dulak | StephenS: nginx uses even less ram than lighttpd you might consider it for your web server |
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| 15:15.48 | StephenS | wow ok |
| 15:15.49 | StephenS | :) |
| 15:15.56 | StephenS | I read aboiut ngix somewhere |
| 15:16.07 | StephenS | they say you can run 10+ small websites on 64 mb of ram :D |
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| 15:17.11 | Dulak | I have something like 300 websites running on an nginx server that uses like 5m of ram for everything |
| 15:17.22 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I have glibc-2.5-65 installed (apt-get) but I need glibc-2.5-58. What can I do? |
| 15:18.52 | StephenS | lul :D |
| 15:18.54 | Dulak | StephenS: it's the dynamic stuff that needs the ram, like running php sites |
| 15:19.06 | Dulak | StephenS: static sites don't need much for ram at all |
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| 15:19.45 | StephenS | yeah I understand that my forum will need some more ram but it has 200 visits per day |
| 15:19.49 | StephenS | so it aint that much as well. |
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| 15:21.07 | minde | hello, I have trouble with cmake. I got: -- Found Lua50: /usr/lib64/liblua5.1.so;/usr/lib/libm.so ... How is this possible? |
| 15:21.08 | Dulak | I lied, nginx is using 8m of ram on that server, not 5m |
| 15:21.42 | addicted | need help with a project, check http://pastebin.com/hf1VcUrv for detail. |
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| 15:24.47 | StephenS | Dulak did you used fast cgi and spawn-fcgi ? |
| 15:24.48 | addicted | Need help with a Project, check http://pastebin.com/hf1VcUrv for detail. |
| 15:24.55 | Dulak | StephenS: yes |
| 15:25.35 | addicted | Need help with a Project, check http://pastebin.com/hf1VcUrv for detail. |
| 15:25.35 | addicted | pm me if you can help me |
| 15:25.35 | nkuttler | addicted: there are various channels where you can hire freelancers |
| 15:25.41 | Dulak | StephenS: the fcgi instances ( I have 3, 1 master, 2 workers) take about 30m of ram total on that box |
| 15:26.00 | StephenS | hmm well I currently use more then 1gb of ram on my machine with 2 websites |
| 15:26.08 | StephenS | I dont know why, but it might be cause I run apache right now/ |
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| 15:26.25 | nkuttler | StephenS: what kind of webapps? |
| 15:26.25 | Dulak | StephenS: apache eats ram like mad unless you tune the crap out of it |
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| 15:28.49 | StephenS | Dulak did you answered something? I parted on accident. |
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| 15:29.10 | Dulak | <Dulak> StephenS: apache eats ram like mad unless you tune the crap out of it |
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| 15:30.54 | StephenS | hmm you have a point |
| 15:31.22 | StephenS | also I use some other crap, I plan on moving from my 1gb to 512 mb of ram /swap server on debian |
| 15:31.35 | StephenS | I get trial server with default of 10mb using is that normal? its 32 bit |
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| 15:32.49 | Dulak | trial server of what? What is using 10mb? |
| 15:32.53 | StephenS | My server |
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| 15:33.02 | StephenS | My vps provider created a trial server for me which uses 10mb is that normal |
| 15:33.06 | StephenS | I see in process 1409 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 15:33.10 | StephenS | Does that mean apache is running ? |
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| 15:35.00 | sta19 | fresh install squeeze on 686 box with LXDE.... installed XFCE with apt but can't figure out how to change to XFCE.... no options on login screen.... how to? thanks |
| 15:35.04 | Dulak | StephenS: yeah, it depends on how apache is configured, I can't say if it's normal or not because I don't know what the config is. I can tell you that the most ram is liable to be the php, not apache. |
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| 15:35.23 | StephenS | ok |
| 15:36.25 | karlpinc | sta19: What desktop manager (login screen) are you using? |
| 15:36.43 | StephenS | and apt-get update and apt-get install htop cant damage ram? |
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| 15:37.10 | sta19 | karlpinc: not sure..checking |
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| 15:37.20 | Dulak | StephenS: well htop uses ram but only when you have it running to watch usage, and it's not a huge amount |
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| 15:37.48 | karlpinc | StephenS: I prefer using ps and vmstat. YMMV. |
| 15:38.06 | StephenS | 1776 pts/0 T 0:00 htop |
| 15:38.23 | StephenS | it seems like in process are ps x and htop even though i run quit command |
| 15:38.27 | karlpinc | StephenS: That's telling you nothing about ram usage. |
| 15:38.28 | StephenS | actually i did ctrl + z |
| 15:38.47 | sta19 | karlpinc: looks like xdm |
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| 15:39.14 | karlpinc | StephenS: That suspends but does not stop the process. |
| 15:39.25 | StephenS | how can I stop process then? |
| 15:39.29 | StephenS | ctrl + c or q? |
| 15:40.25 | karlpinc | StephenS: Ctrl c almost always works. Usually q or exit is the "clean" way to do it. |
| 15:40.43 | StephenS | okay |
| 15:41.11 | Dulak | if you ctrl-z on it, you can get it back with 'fg' command |
| 15:41.12 | StephenS | now on free is running 16mb |
| 15:41.15 | nsadmin | you can suspend, it will tell you a job number, then kill %thatNunber |
| 15:41.19 | StephenS | and i did only apt-get update and installed htop |
| 15:41.23 | StephenS | dont get my server at all :( |
| 15:41.32 | nsadmin | !why aptitude |
| 15:41.32 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 15:41.34 | karlpinc | sta19: I've not used xdm in a while. I know e.g., slim, and gdm3 all have options on the login screen . |
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| 15:41.53 | StephenS | oh lol aptitude uses even more resources. |
| 15:42.14 | karlpinc | !tell StephenS about general cli tuitorial |
| 15:42.28 | karlpinc | !tell StephenS about general cli tutorial |
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| 15:43.36 | karlpinc | sta19: You may have to rtfm (or just use slim if you want something simple.) |
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| 15:45.16 | sta19 | karlpinc: been rtfm'ing :).... done several installs in the last few weeks.... this is outta nowhere..... thanks.. :) |
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| 15:46.18 | nkuttler | !tell sta19 about xsession |
| 15:46.38 | fmerges | Hi, getting this problem with squeeze: sip4-qt3-4.10.2/siplib/siplib.c:2600: sip_api_parse_result: Assertion `assign_helper != ((void *)0)' failed |
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| 15:47.17 | fmerges | have tried building the python-qwt5-qt4 from source and installing it but still getting the same problem, on my Ubuntu I got it to work like that |
| 15:47.29 | fmerges | it doesn't work on an amd64 btw |
| 15:47.36 | fmerges | any suggestions? |
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| 15:53.04 | seetag | how can i save my current sessions on each workplaces when i shutdown my pc? |
| 15:53.47 | Dulak | seetag: running gnome2? |
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| 15:54.05 | seetag | Dulak, i dont know, but think its gnome3 mom |
| 15:54.29 | Dulak | no idea on gnome3 |
| 15:54.37 | seetag | Dulak, yeah its gnome2 |
| 15:55.22 | Dulak | System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications -> Options tab there is a checkbox there to save runnings apps on logout |
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| 15:56.29 | seetag | Dulak, thanks mate |
| 15:57.04 | Dulak | seetag: np |
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| 16:00.05 | keck0f | hi |
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| 16:10.19 | linduxed | does anyone of you know how to remove the resize handle in gnome-terminal 3? |
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| 16:11.28 | raven | how to open encrypted home in AV-LINUX? |
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| 16:12.01 | boudiccas | raven; whats AV-LINUX please? |
| 16:12.48 | jelly | !av-linux |
| 16:13.02 | jelly | not even the bot knows! |
| 16:13.21 | boudiccas | doesn't sound like debian! |
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| 16:15.00 | Iridos | perhaps rAVen-linux |
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| 16:17.01 | Iridos | Dulak, did you try that? |
| 16:17.28 | Dulak | ?? |
| 16:17.40 | Iridos | the restore-application stuff |
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| 16:18.07 | Dulak | Iridos: which restore-application stuff? |
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| 16:18.13 | Iridos | only 21 minutes ago! |
| 16:18.26 | Iridos | <Dulak> System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications -> Options tab there is a checkbox there to save runnings apps on logout |
| 16:18.53 | Dulak | Oh you mean saving the app list on logout? I never have used that option but a long time ago it was the default so I had to turn it off on a new install |
| 16:19.02 | Dulak | That's why I knew where it was |
| 16:19.09 | Iridos | just wonder how useful that actually is for... say chromium with 30 windows spread over 4 virtual desktops |
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| 16:20.01 | Dulak | It just saves the application name and restarts it on login, chomium or whatever would have to remember the windows/tabs it had open at close |
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| 16:20.18 | Iridos | or 4 openoffice documents opened somewhere on those 4 said desktops |
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| 16:20.53 | Iridos | chromium does remember windows/tabs, but not which virtual desktop the window was on |
| 16:21.09 | Dulak | Don't think it would open the docs, just the word processor, but I'm not sure it has been years since it was the default and I even saw it in action |
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| 16:21.17 | l4c1f3r | well that sucks |
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| 16:21.51 | Aziroshin | Hello. I am upgrading a debian testing. It wants to install a lot of stuff; I am having gnome. |
| 16:22.01 | Iridos | Dulak, I suspect it's not overly helpful to really restore your desktop... that's why I wondered if you actually used it recently |
| 16:22.03 | Aziroshin | Is it trying to install gnome3? Skimming through it, I am not sure about that. |
| 16:22.12 | Iridos | (I usually just suspend/hibernate my own desktop) |
| 16:22.34 | Dulak | Yeah that's what I do on my laptop, hibernate |
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| 16:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: Yes, I believe gnome3 components are moving into testing. |
| 16:22.47 | mm_ | hi all |
| 16:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: From what I have heard, it's not a full gnome3 which doesn't really exist yet. |
| 16:22.55 | Aziroshin | Maybe I should refrain from updating, then. |
| 16:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: Well, the point of testing is to test, go for it! |
| 16:23.11 | Aziroshin | Anything of the "no settings whatsoever" philosophy already moving in? |
| 16:23.24 | Aziroshin | Well, I guess I'll do that. The device is a working device, though. |
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| 16:23.35 | Aziroshin | But for what it's used for mostly at the moment, it wouldn't hurt too much. |
| 16:23.40 | Aziroshin | There's always xfce to fall back to. |
| 16:23.42 | jhutchins_lt | Aziroshin: That's always a temporary condition with testing. |
| 16:23.44 | mm_ | i've a questio about debian and multipath configuration...trying to execute a failover, unconnect an hba i recive this error |
| 16:23.48 | mm_ | device-mapper: multipath: Cannot failover device because scsi_dh_emc was not loaded. |
| 16:24.02 | mm_ | but scsi_dh_emc module was loadded |
| 16:24.07 | mm_ | loaded |
| 16:24.23 | mm_ | anyone have some ideas about it? |
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| 16:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: any ideas? |
| 16:24.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid bunnies. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 16:25.31 | jelly | mm_: does the vendor provide a specific multipath.conf to use? |
| 16:25.45 | Iridos | I also had that idea already... doesn't work that way, dpkg |
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| 16:26.01 | Aziroshin | *eats dpkg* |
| 16:26.08 | mm_ | yes, and i already use it... |
| 16:26.36 | jelly | mm_: and what does multipath -ll show before you do the unplug test? |
| 16:26.56 | jelly | mm_: use http://paste.debian.net, please, or some other pastebin |
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| 16:28.03 | mm_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/145998/ |
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| 16:28.29 | Tobsn | anyone an idea how i can remap the cmd key on my apple keyboard (i think its mapped to super_r right now) to alt+gr? |
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| 16:28.42 | Tobsn | i tried to find out the keycode with xev but its not returning anything |
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| 16:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | Tobsn: It's a modifier key, it dosn't return a keypress event. |
| 16:29.46 | Tobsn | oh |
| 16:30.01 | Tobsn | how can i reassign it then? |
| 16:30.04 | Iridos | but modifier keys also show up in xev |
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| 16:30.27 | jelly | mm_: ok, so hw handler is correct... dunno what the issue might be. Is there something useful in /var/log/kern.log (or dmesg)? |
| 16:30.39 | Tobsn | Iridos, i dont get any output here |
| 16:30.46 | jelly | has not used EMC storage |
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| 16:31.08 | rox | is a true lover of apple keyboards |
| 16:31.39 | l4c1f3r | Â/me is a lover of 19 year olds |
| 16:31.41 | Iridos | I think if you don't see anything in xev that means the keystroke is not recognized as one at all... hence, cannot remap |
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| 16:31.52 | adisbladis | Im trying to create a debian package by running "debuild" debian/my-application-name contains the files but debian/tmp does not have the files, any idea why this would happen? |
| 16:32.01 | Dulak | that's weird because every key on my logitech kb shows up in xev output, modifier key or not |
| 16:32.02 | mm_ | jelly: nope |
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| 16:32.35 | adisbladis | All the directories are created in debian/tmp/ though |
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| 16:33.05 | rox | Dulak: maybe it's an apple specific hardware thing |
| 16:33.22 | Iridos | Dulak, could it be physically broken? |
| 16:33.27 | jhutchins_lt | It can depend on the keyboard driver. |
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| 16:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | Tobsn: Does it work as a modifier? Do the keycodes for other keys change when it's held down? |
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| 16:34.18 | Tobsn | well right now its outputing numbers |
| 16:34.21 | Tobsn | for whatever reason |
| 16:34.26 | Tobsn | meh nevermind |
| 16:34.44 | Tobsn | i messed around with gnome now for 6 hours |
| 16:34.47 | Tobsn | and i still hate it |
| 16:35.27 | Iridos | did you read stuff like... http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/apple-keyboards-in-linux/ |
| 16:35.32 | Tobsn | yes |
| 16:35.34 | Tobsn | i did |
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| 16:35.44 | Tobsn | i read the last hour only about how to remap keys |
| 16:35.49 | Tobsn | and its still not working |
| 16:35.50 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 16:36.06 | Tobsn | i just stick with osx and keep using debian as server OS |
| 16:36.11 | Iridos | well... probably because it was stuck or something and no keypresses ever reached your computer |
| 16:36.12 | Tobsn | this is just too annoying |
| 16:36.34 | Iridos | it's one of those really annoying thing... you can't really fix broken hardware by configuration changes... |
| 16:36.41 | Iridos | except, possibly, if you run nosmoke.exe |
| 16:36.55 | Tobsn | the thing is, i remapped my keys on osx too |
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| 16:37.05 | Tobsn | there's an app for that. |
| 16:37.16 | Tobsn | install, enter key, enter which one it should output, done. |
| 16:37.27 | Tobsn | takes around 2 minutes to find the app and get it working |
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| 16:37.59 | Tobsn | after an hour of messing around with xev, ykeycaps, xkeymap etc. im still not even close to mapping super_r to altgr |
| 16:38.24 | seetag | when im trying to play teeworlds everything is so slow... my graphic card is installed, but do i need to install something that has to do with 3d ? |
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| 16:39.44 | Tobsn | and so many other issues... im still sticking with CLI only and just remote mounting the dev box. |
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| 16:40.13 | jiohdi | does debian have nvidia-current in its stable repository? |
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| 16:42.45 | Iridos | Tobsn, that app also won't work when the computer receives no keystrokes |
| 16:43.01 | Tobsn | xev? |
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| 16:43.52 | somiaj | jiohdi: what do you mean? deban stable contains ther versions of packages available at the time it started to freeze. If you want a newer nvidia driver than the one in stable you'll have to get a backport. Since there were none available last time I looked you'll have to backport it yourself. |
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| 16:44.06 | CissWit | Tobsn: do xev | grep keycode |
| 16:44.20 | CissWit | Tobsn: do a alt+gr key and remember the keycode (mine in 108) |
| 16:44.34 | CissWit | then just do : xmodmap -e 'keycode 108 = Super_R' |
| 16:44.36 | Tobsn | nah i need to catch cmd |
| 16:44.45 | Tobsn | right cmd key |
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| 16:44.59 | Tobsn | and i want to assign it Alt_R |
| 16:45.19 | Tobsn | but dont worry, i already shut down all the different VMs |
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| 16:45.42 | Tobsn | after 7 hours of messing around with gnome and whatever bullshit ubuntu uses now, im done with X |
| 16:45.50 | jiohdi | somiaj, I see a lot of nvidia packages in debian stable, but I have no idea which one I need to install to make it work |
| 16:46.10 | jiohdi | like nvidia-glx for example |
| 16:46.24 | CissWit | Tobsn: i thought you wanted to assign the Super_R to your altgr key |
| 16:46.34 | Tobsn | erm |
| 16:46.36 | Tobsn | no |
| 16:46.38 | Tobsn | other way around |
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| 16:46.57 | Tobsn | i want to assign altgr to the cmd key (which is right now mapped as super_r as far as i can see) |
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| 16:47.28 | boudiccas | Tobsn; what version of debian are you using please? |
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| 16:47.39 | Tobsn | 6.0.2 |
| 16:47.40 | jiohdi | Somiaj under ubuntu you just install nvdia-current and it gets everything you need, but debian I have no clue |
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| 16:48.16 | CissWit | Tobsn: then do the same to get your keycode for your cmd key, and do : xmodmap -e 'keycode 108 = ISO_Level3_Shift' |
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| 16:48.31 | CissWit | (this is what i did to reassign alt+gr to my alt+gr key after assigning it with Super_R) |
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| 16:49.33 | Tobsn | like i said, i cant get the code |
| 16:49.36 | Tobsn | its not printing anything |
| 16:49.50 | Tobsn | thats why im running in a circle since an hour |
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| 16:50.04 | CissWit | when you do xev | grep keycode |
| 16:50.06 | CissWit | and press cmd key |
| 16:50.12 | CissWit | nothing is printed ? |
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| 16:52.55 | Tobsn | 134 |
| 16:53.04 | Tobsn | the fuck, why is it working now? |
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| 16:54.18 | Tobsn | what would alt+gr be? Alt_R? |
| 16:54.30 | CissWit | here, it's ISO_Level3_Shift |
| 16:54.45 | CissWit | dunno what it means, just know it's how is configured my alt+gr key |
| 16:55.28 | Tobsn | lol almost |
| 16:55.34 | Tobsn | it almost works |
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| 16:55.40 | Tobsn | but it outputs random characters as well |
| 16:55.59 | Nad_Oby | Hi looking for help with apt-get. I'm running DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive /usr/bin/apt-get --verbose -yfu --force-yes -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confold -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confdef install <some package> and dpkg asks about config file? Have somebody any hint for me? |
| 16:56.04 | Tobsn | nevermind |
| 16:56.05 | Tobsn | fuck it |
| 16:56.09 | Tobsn | thanks for your help |
| 16:56.18 | Tobsn | but this is just not working out |
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| 17:00.50 | tharkun | Is there a package for gcc 4.7 somewhere in debian? Or is it an upstream only option at the moment? |
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| 17:02.36 | jelly | tharkun: when did 4.7 release? |
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| 17:03.43 | jelly | ,info gcc-snapshot |
| 17:03.44 | judd | No package named 'gcc-snapshot' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:03.53 | jelly | ,info gcc-snapshot --release sid |
| 17:03.54 | judd | Package gcc-snapshot (devel, extra) in sid/i386: A SNAPSHOT of the GNU Compiler Collection. Version: 20111114-1; Size: 130904.6k; Installed: 392647k; Homepage: http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
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| 17:03.55 | tharkun | jelly: not released but since it only happens to have 170 known regresions i expected a brave soul to have it packaged allready |
| 17:04.04 | jelly | tharkun: ^^ |
| 17:04.05 | raz | urgh, it seems i managed to update glibc to 2.13 by accident |
| 17:04.15 | raz | any safe way to downgrade to the squeeze version? :( |
| 17:06.20 | tharkun | jelly: thanks |
| 17:06.26 | raz | how can i list all packages that depend on the installed version of libc? |
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| 17:06.56 | rotflcopter | depcheck ? |
| 17:07.03 | jelly | "This package will NEVER hit the testing distribution. It is used for tracking gcc bugs submitted to the Debian BTS in recent development versions of gcc." |
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| 17:09.08 | tharkun | jelly: I know, "The more off the beaten path, the loner it gets." |
| 17:09.20 | itsnotabigtruck | hey, there seems to be an FTBFS on openssl for sparc that's blocking a security patch (DSA-2343-1) from making it into testing |
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| 17:09.28 | SerajewelKS | when i delete/move email messages from my IMAP server from some client, a different connected instance of Icedove will sometimes not remove the message from the folder it was originally in. but i'm not sure what google terms to use to see if this bug is known already. :/ |
| 17:09.44 | itsnotabigtruck | build status link: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=openssl&ver=1.0.0e-2.1&arch=sparc |
| 17:09.54 | SerajewelKS | it appears to be an Icedove problem as other connected IMAP clients have never exhibited this behavior. Icedove does on a regular basis. |
| 17:10.01 | _pal_ | I tried to mount ntfs volume with user and pmount, but got the following error: Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE |
| 17:10.01 | _pal_ | library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated |
| 17:10.01 | _pal_ | FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at |
| 17:10.01 | _pal_ | http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 17:10.32 | Iridos | fast typer |
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| 17:10.39 | _pal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.46 | _pal_ | how should I fix it? |
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| 17:11.04 | _pal_ | or is there another way to mount partitions by user without root access |
| 17:11.48 | SerajewelKS | _pal_: if you want any user to be able to mount the volume then you should add a line to /etc/fstab with the "user" option |
| 17:12.04 | _pal_ | SerajewelKS, yes, it's already added |
| 17:12.18 | _pal_ | ntfs-3g has its own opinion though |
| 17:12.29 | raz | holay batman |
| 17:12.38 | raz | apt-get install libc6=2.11.2-10 libc-bin=2.11.2-10 |
| 17:12.41 | raz | and it... just worked |
| 17:12.43 | Iridos | perhaps the url in the error would provide a clue? |
| 17:12.50 | SerajewelKS | _pal_: well you could try making ntfs-3g setuid root, as the error message suggests |
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| 17:14.54 | keck0f | what is the best way to find out how many free space is left on an ext3-FS? (df often shows wrong values) |
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| 17:16.23 | _pal_ | SerajewelKS, yeap, I think so |
| 17:16.38 | _pal_ | by the way, there is a strange problem |
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| 17:16.56 | SerajewelKS | keck0f: df doesn't show wrong values |
| 17:16.56 | _pal_ | my monitor turns off after five minutes work or something |
| 17:17.06 | SerajewelKS | keck0f: what makes you think that it is? |
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| 17:17.24 | _pal_ | I've encountered this after using Xephyr and gdm |
| 17:17.55 | _pal_ | is there any configuration setting in gdm may be which could fix it? |
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| 17:19.19 | Iridos | gnome-power-preferences, possibly? |
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| 17:20.07 | _pal_ | Iridos, I don't use gnome |
| 17:20.23 | Iridos | oh, gdm |
| 17:20.30 | _pal_ | trying to find out if there are wrong dpms settings... |
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| 17:20.44 | _pal_ | how should I set dpms correctly? |
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| 17:23.31 | jhutchins_lt | Enough with the blasted underscores already. |
| 17:23.42 | jhutchins_lt | _pal_: gdm should not have any effect once you've logged in. |
| 17:24.13 | _pal_ | jhutchin1_lt, so it should be about dpms settings? |
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| 17:24.41 | Iridos | you can set Option "DPMS" "off" in xorg.conf |
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| 17:25.14 | _pal_ | Iridos, thanks, I'll try it |
| 17:25.26 | keck0f | SerajewelKS: after deleting a few GB of Files the output of df still shows same amount of free space as before the deletion. But if i umount and then mount the FS df shows correct values. |
| 17:25.50 | Iridos | and actually gnome-power-preferences configures exactly this, but I don't know what it does under the hood... probably the equivalent of xset s <something> |
| 17:25.52 | vikas | hey, how do i get nm-applet to remember the WiFi password? |
| 17:26.01 | vikas | I'm running Gnome3 on testing |
| 17:26.15 | zykotick9 | I've lost sound after playing a game (ut2004), is there some means of seeing what process is using the ALSA? I'd rather not logout as I have a number of encoding jobs running. |
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| 17:26.51 | jhutchins_lt | vikas: You might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net. Not a lot of experience with gnome3 here as it just moved into testing. |
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| 17:27.28 | martianlobster | if I have two binary files, that differ by one bye, somewhere in the files, is there a utility for finding that one byte? |
| 17:27.42 | keck0f | SerajewelKS: it's a 1.7TB ext3 FS |
| 17:27.52 | vikas | jhutchins_lt: thanks! |
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| 17:27.59 | tyri0n | Hey everyone :) |
| 17:28.20 | keck0f | SerajewelKS: maybe there is a longer delay in updating the diskfree infos as expected. |
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| 17:28.32 | jhutchins_lt | martianlobster: diff should work. |
| 17:29.00 | martianlobster | jhutchin, it just says "Binary files foo.txt and bar.txt differ" |
| 17:29.02 | tyri0n | Guys, quick question: Why is my Debian system only seeing 3GB of RAM when I have 8GB installed? |
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| 17:29.36 | zykotick9 | tyri0n, are you using 32bit debian? |
| 17:29.44 | tyri0n | zykotick9: Yes I am. |
| 17:30.03 | vikas | tyri0n: that's why |
| 17:30.13 | SerajewelKS | keck0f: hmm, did you try "sync" while the fs was mounted? |
| 17:30.24 | tyri0n | Ouch. Is there any possible way to change that, so to speak? |
| 17:30.25 | zykotick9 | tyri0n, 32bit is limited to 3.2GB i believe. You could install a PAE kernel if you want a "hack" to get more memory usage, or just install 64bit version. |
| 17:30.32 | vikas | tyri0n: only 65-bit system can see 4GB and beyond |
| 17:30.34 | blackshirt | tyri0n: you should PAE kernel |
| 17:30.35 | keck0f | SerajewelKS: yep, "sync; df -h" |
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| 17:30.56 | tyri0n | Okay. But to use a 64bit version, I'd have to reinstall, correct? |
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| 17:31.05 | zykotick9 | tyri0n, yes |
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| 17:31.35 | tyri0n | Forget THAT. lol. How do I got about installing a pae kernel? Regular "aptitude install"? |
| 17:31.52 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
| 17:31.53 | blackshirt | tyri0n: i think you can't install 64 debian on 32bit proc |
| 17:32.07 | SerajewelKS | keck0f: i've never heard of anything like that happening.. weird |
| 17:32.21 | blackshirt | tyri0n: i mean 64 bit os |
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| 17:33.33 | martianlobster | cmp does what I need |
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| 17:34.04 | waimondrio | karlpinc: thanx |
| 17:34.10 | waimondrio | arghx: thanx |
| 17:34.28 | keck0f | SerajewelKS: ok, so the df output should be a quite current snapshot. Maybe a few seconds old, but not 10 Minutes old? |
| 17:34.56 | Retenodus_ | is there a way to copy recursively the content of a directory in an other directory, without override subdirectories ? |
| 17:34.57 | Retenodus_ | http://pastebin.com/auhiZKc8 |
| 17:35.39 | Retenodus_ | in my example (on pastebin), Il would like that the dest plop contains both tagada and bidule |
| 17:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | tyri0n: The 32b "bigmem" kernels will work for you. |
| 17:36.04 | jhutchins_lt | tyri0n: No need to build a new 64b install unless this is a fresh system. |
| 17:36.25 | SerajewelKS | keck0f: i've never had it be out of sync before |
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| 17:36.30 | tyri0n | Not a fresh system, that's for sure. |
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| 17:37.01 | keck0f | SerajewelKS: ok, thank you |
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| 17:37.26 | tyri0n | jhutchins_lt: linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem <-- That's the one I'm installing, right? (that's my kernel version) |
| 17:37.48 | jhutchins_lt | tyri0n: That's the headers for it. The kernel itself is in linux-image. |
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| 17:38.10 | rical | I have two partitions on two different disks. /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1. sda1 is mounted at /foo, sdb1 is mounted at /bar. They have basically the same mount options (sdb don't have journal). When I do dd if=zero ... to sda1 I get the disk speed ~100mb/s. however sdb I get ~600mb/s, its cahcing everything in RAM. why just on sdb1? Both are ext3. |
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| 17:39.08 | tyri0n | so it would be aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, correct? |
| 17:39.15 | rical | Its filling the RAM... crap.. |
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| 17:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | rical: Different hardware. |
| 17:40.03 | rox | rical: it really depends on your disks, some disks have internal caches and stuff |
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| 17:41.08 | rox | rical: and it might not be a good idea to use /dev/zero for measuring disk speed, try /dev/random or something like that |
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| 17:42.11 | rox | rical: if you are dd-ing to a file, then some filesystems support sparse files and combined with caching, can display huge writing speed, when in reality they write ve4ry little data, due to sparse file support |
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| 17:42.59 | rox | rical: maybe create a 10G file from /dev/urandom and then write that file to either partition and see how they perform |
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| 17:44.20 | rical | rox: no, no way its filling the ram on sdb, and its 40gb+ |
| 17:44.33 | tyri0n | so it would be aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, is that right? |
| 17:44.43 | rical | the disk write cache is 64 mb on both the disks |
| 17:45.10 | rox | rical: the thing is, you didn't really specify well what you are doing |
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| 17:45.16 | rox | rical: be more specific |
| 17:45.36 | rical | rox: sorry about that, its really complex, the setup and the problem |
| 17:46.03 | rox | rical: there is also the question, whether there are other partitions on those disks and whether they are in use |
| 17:46.08 | rical | but main difference between the disks is that 10gb written to sda is written in "normal speed" with a small amount of caching |
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| 17:46.48 | rical | 10gb to sdb terminates extreamly fast, its then stored in the system cache, and slowly written to the disk |
| 17:46.56 | rical | so dd shows 600mb/s |
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| 17:47.06 | rox | rical: so sdb caches lots of stuff |
| 17:47.11 | rical | iostat shows its slowly writing out the cache |
| 17:47.29 | rox | rical: so what was your actual question |
| 17:47.34 | rical | and you can't free it echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/dropp_caches .. |
| 17:47.48 | rical | how can sda act different from sdb |
| 17:48.00 | rox | rical: they are different disks |
| 17:48.20 | rox | rical: one has a huge writeback cache, the other one doesn't |
| 17:48.26 | Trewas | rical: drop_caches cannot drop data of files which have not been written to disk, if it really buffered 10GB of data |
| 17:48.27 | rical | same sas harddrives |
| 17:48.38 | rical | Trewas: yep, thats true |
| 17:48.58 | rical | Trewas: I understand that, the real problem here is that its actually taking all the RAM |
| 17:49.21 | rical | writing 100gb to disk keeps the actuall free amout of memory at <256 mb for like 5 minutes |
| 17:49.44 | rical | any application that wants to allocate data during that period will page fault and get into serious problems |
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| 17:50.23 | rical | not allocate but write, but you get the point.. |
| 17:50.49 | Trewas | rical: actually if sdb doesn't have journal it might explain why it can buffer everything instead of writing gradually |
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| 17:51.29 | rical | Trewas: thats what I'm thinking. I mean it has a journal in the sense that its an ext3 disk |
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| 17:51.43 | rical | but jornaling as mount option might mean something different? |
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| 17:52.04 | rical | I have seen the option mount -o data=writeback |
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| 17:53.08 | rox | rical: that sounds like switching on a writeback cache |
| 17:53.34 | rical | yeh, the disk has writeback cache in itselfe |
| 17:53.52 | rical | ~64mb, but this is the linux system cache that is beeing used |
| 17:53.52 | apt | rical: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:54.01 | rox | rical: yes, that's what i'm talking about |
| 17:54.27 | rox | rical: the disk's internal cache has nothing to do with mount options |
| 17:54.47 | rox | rical: mount options control behaviour of file-system drivers |
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| 17:55.31 | rical | okey, so that might be worth checking the, I couldent when I found the problem as you apperantly could not turn journalig or writeback on in a remount |
| 17:55.37 | rical | so I will have to rebuild a bit |
| 17:55.47 | rical | worth a try, I will let you know how it goes :) |
| 17:56.02 | rox | rical: have you tried with different bs= argument to the dd command?= |
| 17:56.10 | rical | yep |
| 17:56.15 | rox | rical: what were the results? |
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| 17:56.50 | rical | it affects how mutch is caches etc. but the behaviour is the same, its still chaching sdb in system chache and not sda (in the same way) |
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| 17:58.13 | rox | rical: so your answer is, that journal impairs file system caching |
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| 17:59.10 | rox | rical: and you can switch journaling off on mount, all you need to do is mount it as ext2 |
| 17:59.18 | rox | rical: rather then ext3 |
| 17:59.36 | rical | perhaps, I'm going to try it at least :) |
| 17:59.41 | rox | rical: ext2 is ext3 minus journal, the data on the filesystem is compatible |
| 17:59.42 | rical | I will let you know how it goes |
| 17:59.45 | rical | thanks for the help |
| 18:00.12 | rox | rical: so now you are going to mount both partitions as ext2 and run the same test again? |
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| 18:07.16 | manolitos_ | hello, I made an installation in a usb stick through virtual machine and because of the lack of the virtual machine in booting from usb I want to chroot to complete instalation, update, install packages.. Is this plan possible? |
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| 18:08.11 | rox | manolitos_: you need to exactly specify your plan. You are going to boot to what, chroot to what and install what |
| 18:08.50 | manolitos_ | ok, I have a usb with a clean debian instalation. The plan is to chroot to the usb system so I can update the system, install more packages, etc |
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| 18:09.24 | rox | manolitos_: hmm, it might work, if the kernels aren't too different |
| 18:09.30 | arghx | yes it will work. what will not work is (re)installing grub |
| 18:09.42 | rox | manolitos_: but why not just boot that installation and install there? |
| 18:09.45 | manolitos_ | so i will not be able to update grub |
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| 18:10.00 | arghx | update-grub will work, grub-install not |
| 18:10.02 | manolitos_ | rox: i have only one machine that i need to use |
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| 18:10.33 | manolitos_ | arghx: that will be a problen when installing a new kernel (for sure such update will be available) |
| 18:10.48 | rox | manolitos_: to be on the safe side, have the same kernels, or don't do any kernel installs/updates |
| 18:10.55 | rox | manolitos_: other then that, it should work |
| 18:11.34 | manolitos_ | rox: i guess there will be a kernel instalation.. mm.. |
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| 18:13.28 | riot | hi. Why is there currently no fglrx-driver etc. in wheezy? Will this be fixed soon? |
| 18:14.16 | arghx | manolitos_: no it won't |
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| 18:14.32 | arghx | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 18:14.34 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-10-1 |
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| 18:14.44 | arghx | riot: backport it from sid |
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| 18:15.10 | muszek | hi... I have a problem with gnu screen (and tmux) on Debian 6 with screen. They don't work unless I change group of /dev/ttyp* from tty to root (error: access denied to /dev/tty_{some_number}). When I do change it, screen and tmux work fine. Hover, after a reboot /dev/ttyp* belong to tty group again... what should I do? |
| 18:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | riot: wheezy is intended for testing, 3D acceleration isn't really needed. |
| 18:15.54 | riot | jhutchins_lt: huh?! |
| 18:16.14 | jhutchins_lt | riot: Why would you need 3D acceleration to test software? |
| 18:16.30 | riot | jhutchins_lt: have you ever tested 3D software without? |
| 18:16.54 | jhutchins_lt | riot: Next you'll tell me you're using this for a production system. |
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| 18:17.24 | manolitos_ | arghx: no? plus the / partition is encrypted. I was thinking 1.mount /dev/bootdev /mnt/chroot/boot/ 2. mount /dev/slashdev /mnt/chroot/ 3. mount proc 4.chroot 5.source /etc/profile |
| 18:17.29 | arghx | muszek: ttyXX belongs to root. that's how it should be. how did you install screen or tmux? |
| 18:17.50 | riot | jhutchins_lt: stop trolling, please. Not having 3D is somewhat last millenium. |
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| 18:18.13 | arghx | riot: and you get a clue which is necessary for running testing |
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| 18:18.24 | jiohdi | I installed debian via netinstall... via usb. now it will not boot unless I boot it from the usb... I told it to install grub on hd, whats up with that? how do I fix it?? |
| 18:18.42 | arghx | jiohdi: check your device.map |
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| 18:19.24 | riot | okay. I've discussed this driver thing a dozen times in the last few years. End of the line always is: i upgrade to sid. ALWAYS. Yes, on production systems. Thats the fscking least annoying way to get it done. |
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| 18:20.01 | jiohdi | I am thinking the stupid thing installed it onto the usb stick |
| 18:20.03 | riot | thing is: with the radeon driver even Gnome bitches around... |
| 18:20.11 | arghx | riot: if you have this problem for yours, you started ignorant and haven't learned anything since |
| 18:20.22 | arghx | *for years |
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| 18:20.51 | arghx | riot: note how I did not tell you to run sid at all. in fact, from what you wrote so far you should run debian stable only imho |
| 18:20.54 | riot | arghx: its not me. Its primarily the manufacturers not opensourcing. And then frustrated (understandably) xorg/driver maintainers. |
| 18:20.59 | arghx | no it's you |
| 18:21.47 | jiohdi | arghx where might I find device.map |
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| 18:22.08 | rox | jiohdi: locate device.map |
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| 18:22.16 | muszek | arghx: ttyp* belong to root/tty (user/group). screen was installed (I reinstalled it just in case). I installed tmux mysql. (both using apt-get) |
| 18:22.17 | arghx | jiohdi: /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 18:22.40 | riot | i'm happily running unstable on my own boxes for years now and since my 3D-workstation has a nvidia card, i don't have real hassles. Its just that i've installed debian for a buddy who's not too much into computers. She doesn't want to "backport" or use firefox 3.5 (which is stable, yes.. sure.. very.) |
| 18:22.50 | arghx | muszek: I don't have any ttyp*, I only have tty* |
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| 18:23.14 | arghx | riot: mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:23.32 | arghx | riot: and which radeon does she have? |
| 18:23.34 | jiohdi | arghx no such file found |
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| 18:23.55 | riot | arghx: oh, nice one. Still, that should only have served as an example for other _very_ outdated software. |
| 18:24.00 | arghx | jiohdi: are you running debian squeeze? |
| 18:24.02 | rox | jiohdi: then you can either run locate to find it or you don't have grub installed |
| 18:24.19 | arghx | rox: locate isn't installed by default IIRC |
| 18:24.34 | jiohdi | arghx I do not get a grub screen unless I boot from the usb, I see grub on the harddrive but no such file listed |
| 18:24.42 | arghx | jiohdi: answer my question |
| 18:24.55 | muszek | arghx: I'll reboot and put ls into pastebin... 1 minute |
| 18:24.56 | rox | arghx: isn't it? it's been years since i've installed anything with an installer :-P |
| 18:25.03 | jiohdi | Arghx, its the current debian stable, I think it is squeeze |
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| 18:25.26 | arghx | jiohdi: dpkg -l grub-pc | tail -1 |
| 18:25.28 | jiohdi | whats the command to tell version? |
| 18:25.45 | rox | jiohdi: version of what? |
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| 18:26.04 | rox | jiohdi: most apps have the -version or --version command line switch for that |
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| 18:26.14 | rox | jiohdi: package versions you can get from apt-cache show |
| 18:26.15 | riot | arghx: rv350 |
| 18:26.38 | jiohdi | rox version of debian |
| 18:27.11 | jiohdi | arghx I get desired=unknown/install/remove/purge/hold |
| 18:27.12 | rox | cat /etc/issue |
| 18:27.34 | abrotman | !version |
| 18:27.35 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 18:27.48 | arghx | riot: congratulations. this is a chip that hasn't been supported by fglrx for years and is supported by debian "radeon" driver out of the box. it might need non-free firmware in squeeze for 3D support |
| 18:28.01 | hanasaki | what is different between ia64 and amd64 distributions? |
| 18:28.02 | arghx | jiohdi: then you don't have grub installed |
| 18:28.13 | jiohdi | arghx, can I install it from within? |
| 18:28.26 | arghx | hanasaki: ia64 is for intel itanium. amd64 is for athlon64, inte core2 core i and Xeon |
| 18:28.33 | itsnotabigtruck | hanasaki: the difference is that amd64 is what you want, ia64 is not |
| 18:28.34 | hanasaki | and what does the kfreebsd distro cover since that is bsd not linux? |
| 18:28.38 | arghx | !tell jiohdi about fixgrub |
| 18:28.50 | arghx | !tell hanasaki about kfreebsd |
| 18:28.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and kfreebsd is debian on a freebsd kernel, so not linux |
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| 18:29.10 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
| 18:29.14 | riot | arghx: mhmhm. I dimly rememberd AMD opensourcing that old stuff.. still: i installed the firmware but still only get 800x600 without acceleration. |
| 18:29.16 | hanasaki | itanium is what then if the amd64 does intelcore2 ? which does intel 6+core? |
| 18:29.36 | itsnotabigtruck | since this seems to have gotten lost > there seems to be an FTBFS on openssl for sparc that's blocking a security patch (DSA-2343-1) from making it into testing |
| 18:29.39 | itsnotabigtruck | build status link: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=openssl&ver=1.0.0e-2.1&arch=sparc |
| 18:29.41 | riot | arghx: i can xrandr modeswitch to higher resolutions, but thats naturally gone after x.org-restart :/ |
| 18:29.45 | arghx | riot: please pastebin the Xorg.0.log and the output of dpkg -l |grep radeon;dpkg -l |grep firmware |
| 18:30.21 | arghx | riot: ah yes, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf too if it exists |
| 18:30.39 | muszek | arghx: http://paste2.org/p/1782351 |
| 18:31.02 | arghx | hanasaki: ia64 is itanium ONLY. and if you have to ask any question about it, you do not need it. EVER. please ignore ia64 forever |
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| 18:31.15 | hanasaki | :) |
| 18:31.26 | hanasaki | itanium is that unique of a beast? |
| 18:31.31 | arghx | yes |
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| 18:31.59 | hanasaki | fun |
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| 18:32.12 | arghx | hanasaki: learn to use google and wikipedia if you want to know what it is. trust me, you don't have it and don't want it |
| 18:32.19 | hanasaki | what url can I use to find what version of exim and kde are in a debian distro? |
| 18:32.31 | arghx | hanasaki: packages.debian.org or distrowatch.com |
| 18:32.38 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 18:34.48 | CyberDomovoy | in my audio config, i'd like to separate the rear panel (wich i connect my speakers to) from the front one (wich i connect my headset+mic). Problem is: it all appears on the same device, and pulseaudio doesn't even propose me to set the volume of the headset (alsamixer does). Is there a way to tell pulseaudio about what i want? lspci | grep Audio: "00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)" |
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| 18:35.04 | rox | hanasaki: packages.debian.org or use apt-file |
| 18:35.12 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 18:35.22 | sc30317 | CyberDomovoy, you can probably use the ATI HDMI audio out and the Intel / AMD audio out separately |
| 18:35.35 | sc30317 | but I think the ones on the front computer are hooked to the same header that the ones on the back are |
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| 18:37.17 | CyberDomovoy | sc30317: what do you mean? use a different driver for my card? |
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| 18:37.31 | sc30317 | CyberDomovoy, no |
| 18:37.37 | sc30317 | i'm not sure of the logistics |
| 18:37.39 | sc30317 | but |
| 18:37.43 | sc30317 | if I understand correctly |
| 18:37.52 | sc30317 | you have an ATI video card with HDMI out |
| 18:37.57 | sc30317 | and an Intel motherboard, correct? |
| 18:38.52 | CyberDomovoy | sc30317: yes, but my audio is all from the onboard soundcard, what does my video card has to do with it? |
| 18:38.59 | sc30317 | because |
| 18:39.06 | sc30317 | the ATI card has audio out |
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| 18:40.03 | CyberDomovoy | sc30317: looks like not, the only card alsa find is the onboard one |
| 18:40.44 | sc30317 | CyberDomovoy, well |
| 18:40.50 | sc30317 | then if thats the only one it can find |
| 18:40.57 | sc30317 | its the only one you can use |
| 18:41.01 | sc30317 | what kind of ATI card do you have? |
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| 18:41.43 | CyberDomovoy | sc30317: lspci says ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] |
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| 18:42.42 | sc30317 | yea thats an old one :) |
| 18:42.46 | sc30317 | not going to have HDMI out |
| 18:42.53 | sc30317 | so looks like you are stuck with one audio out |
| 18:42.54 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 18:42.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:43.00 | sc30317 | unless you buy a better graphics card or a sound card |
| 18:44.06 | CyberDomovoy | sc30317: my bios propose me to setup the front panel as "HDA" (HD audio, same as onboard) or "AC97" wich i choosed, my guess would be that it implies the front panel being detected as a different device than the onboard, but it's not... |
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| 18:44.27 | sc30317 | no it isn't |
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| 18:44.32 | arghx | CyberDomovoy: that's not what this means |
| 18:44.35 | sc30317 | I'm pretty sure that those are linked together |
| 18:44.40 | arghx | please set both as HDA. it's all the same thing |
| 18:45.03 | sc30317 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC%2797 |
| 18:45.12 | sc30317 | thats the article about AC97 |
| 18:45.32 | CyberDomovoy | arghx: tried that, then i can't set the volume for my headset, even with alsamixer (it's greyed, can't act on it) |
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| 18:46.39 | CyberDomovoy | and i still have only one device (in alsa and pulseaudio) |
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| 18:47.59 | CyberDomovoy | i can still create different pcm in alsa, wich would use the channels i want, but it won't appear in pulseaudio |
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| 18:49.33 | CyberDomovoy | i mean a pcm with the channels from the back panel, and another one with those from the front. I think that would work, but i'd like to have that setting in pulseaudio |
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| 18:57.07 | jiohdi | I type in sudo -s and give it the root password, but it tells me that jiohdi is not in the sudo file or some such... how do I fix that? |
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| 18:58.05 | LordDeath | jiohdi: you have to add that user into the sudoers file |
| 18:58.15 | LordDeath | otherwise this incident will be report ^^ |
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| 18:58.41 | LordDeath | and this a serious issue: http://xkcd.com/838/ |
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| 18:59.07 | arghx | LordDeath: only if you want presents from santa |
| 18:59.17 | wolfman3k5 | does anyone know what the outcome was on yesterday's vote on the Internet Cencorship bill? and before anyone tells me that it's off topic, you guys should know that is a pretty big deal! |
| 18:59.57 | ompaul | wolfman3k5: go to an offtopic channel and then you can have a chat about it #debian-offtopic for instance |
| 19:00.35 | ompaul | else we would have 1171 scrolling conversations about things which are not debian and tangental to the core |
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| 19:02.52 | SerajewelKS | wolfman3k5: also, you know about google, yes? |
| 19:03.36 | ompaul | SerajewelKS: searching the internet without a warrant? |
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| 19:07.53 | SerajewelKS | wolfman3k5: also, there was no vote from what i can tell. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.03261: |
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| 19:09.36 | jhutchins | Hm. Somehow in messing with Trinity I lost the setting that blanks the screen over the screensaver. |
| 19:09.40 | peterrooney | you could always /join ##politics |
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| 19:12.27 | poisonbit | jhutchins, screensaver or xscreensaver? maybe setterm -blank $minutes? |
| 19:13.12 | jhutchins | poisonbit: xscreensaver in kde. |
| 19:13.13 | poisonbit | or maybe -powerdown |
| 19:13.15 | poisonbit | oh |
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| 19:13.29 | poisonbit | then it was something in org |
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| 19:13.31 | poisonbit | xorg |
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| 19:13.59 | jhutchins | Probably not, probably an option that may have been removed. |
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| 19:14.28 | jhutchins | There don't seem to be any power saving options for a regular desktop install. (This is still Lenny btw.) |
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| 19:14.57 | poisonbit | jhutchins, maybe in xorg.conf? option DPMS off etc? |
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| 19:15.22 | jhutchins | Ah, power management in xrandrtray. |
| 19:15.30 | poisonbit | magistr, it should |
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| 19:15.37 | jhutchins | magistr: Why wouldn't it? |
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| 19:16.18 | somiaj | jhutchins: xset s off, xset s on, xset -dpms, xset +dpms -- those things can turn on/off the basic screenblanking/dpms in X |
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| 19:16.41 | poisonbit | magistr, there are some notes in /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz so you'll not be the first |
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| 19:20.09 | SerajewelKS | poisonbit: wait, is he talking about bind the DNS server, or --bind, the mount option? |
| 19:20.32 | poisonbit | ouch |
| 19:20.49 | poisonbit | <magistr> ^^^^ what bind ? |
| 19:21.31 | poisonbit | the mount option should work too |
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| 19:21.55 | poisonbit | the dns server chroot has some more caveats about using /etc/default, editing rsyslogd.conf, etc |
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| 19:29.53 | rawtaz | hi. i have been working for a while now on *simply* creating a 4GB ramdisk. i've added ramdisk_size=4096000 to /boot/grub/grub.cfg, on the linux line of the menu entry that boots (right before the "quiet" at the end of the line) |
| 19:31.28 | rawtaz | but when i then after reboot do `mknod -m 660 /dev/ram b 1 1` and `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram bs=1M count=2048` (no merely 2GB), i get "dd: writing `/dev/ram': No space left on device" |
| 19:31.48 | rawtaz | so how the heck can i just create a ramdisk this big. its all i want to do, there must be a simple way to do this. |
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| 19:32.26 | rawtaz | in the dmesg i do see the grub line containing the ramdisk_size i added. but thats all i see |
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| 19:34.22 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, do you need a block device? maybe a tmpfs would be enough? |
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| 19:35.18 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: the silly thing i want to use it for is a log device in a zfs pool. just to see the difference when it has a fast ZIL to use. if you can tell me how i can use a tmpfs for that, i dont mind :) i tried it first but it seems i cant use that, and its mounted |
| 19:35.20 | markit | hi, how can I tell what metapackage a package belongs to? Or what packages a metapackage will install (or has installed)? |
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| 19:36.22 | poisonbit | mmm aptitude why packagename for the first question ? |
| 19:36.24 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, uh, it's a hack but maybe you can use a big loopfile on tmpfs for that O.o |
| 19:37.44 | markit | poisonbit: I have "kaltium" package installed, and since I know I've installed not directly but with a metapackage, I want to know that it was |
| 19:38.03 | stew | markit: "aptitude why kaltium" |
| 19:38.20 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: is it possible you could provide me with the command for the loopfile? ive been on this for at least an hour now :p |
| 19:38.33 | markit | stew: great! thanks |
| 19:38.35 | stew | markit: you can do something like "aptitude search '~i~Dkaltium" for "installed packages which depend on kaltium"" |
| 19:38.45 | rawtaz | or just the base command and ill look the details up |
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| 19:39.20 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, oh, making it is easy, just dd... the tricky part is getting ZFS to use a file instead of a block device :P |
| 19:39.31 | xittum | aptitude packagename why... hmmm - i like apt-cache show better... any hints poisonbit ? :) |
| 19:39.39 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: but i have to set up some loop device i guess? |
| 19:39.51 | stew | xittum: aptitude why and apt-cache show do wildly different thngs |
| 19:39.54 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: wouldnt it just be easier to simple tell the kernel i can create bigger ramdisks? |
| 19:39.59 | markit | stew: thanks again :) |
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| 19:40.36 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, depends on whether it's an architectural limitation... there's something called losetup which can supposedly handle loopfiles. |
| 19:41.28 | xittum | kind of.. but the "dependecy" function was the thing i was looking for.. show, madison, search are the ones i still use apt for |
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| 19:42.11 | markit | but how can I tell what "kdeedu" did install? |
| 19:42.30 | xittum | i would use apt-cache show kdeedu |
| 19:42.43 | poisonbit | it depends in your apt.conf and in what is already installed |
| 19:42.52 | poisonbit | maybe review /var/log package logs |
| 19:42.58 | markit | xittum: mmm yes, works fine, thanks |
| 19:43.02 | jhutchins | xittum: dpkg -L kdeedu |
| 19:44.19 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: i get "loop: can't get info on device /mnt/ram: Inappropriate ioctl for device" for `mount -t tmpfs -o size=2096M tmpfs /mnt/ram` and `losetup /mnt/ram` (the latter errors) |
| 19:45.01 | poisonbit | mount -o loop,size=... |
| 19:45.11 | poisonbit | and remove the second command, jump to mkfs after that |
| 19:45.29 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, no no, make a file full of zeros with dd and try losetup on that (no idea if it works) |
| 19:45.48 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: but what is the point of that, wont it write to disk when i write to that loop device? |
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| 19:46.00 | rawtaz | i need a device that when written to just writed to memory |
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| 19:46.11 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, yes... but if you put the file on your tmpfs? :) |
| 19:46.13 | K1rk | I have an issue. I wrote a script that parses the output of "lshw -xml" and obtains serial numbers and hardware information about computers, and report back to a database. I ran into a problem on a few models of Lenovo laptops, where the RAM doesn't list a serial number. Does anyone know of another command I might be able to run to obtain RAM serial numbers? |
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| 19:46.17 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: ok :) |
| 19:46.51 | thewanderer1 | K1rk, hmm, dmidecode? just guessing though... |
| 19:47.06 | K1rk | thewanderer1: Already tried that at someone's suggestion. It doesn't report the serial numbers either. |
| 19:47.09 | K1rk | The field is there but it's blank. |
| 19:47.59 | thewanderer1 | K1rk, then maybe the RAM doesn't report serial numbers in any way that's retrievable via software means? |
| 19:48.32 | K1rk | thewanderer1: I am not going to accept that answer, except for a last resort. |
| 19:48.44 | K1rk | If we can't automate this, we will end up opening up 500 computers to get serial number tags. |
| 19:49.13 | K1rk | Or changing our project. (We are trying to track hardware changes over time, so when a stick of ram gets moved to another computer as part of troubleshooting, or end of life for a computer, etc, we want to be able to track that with the database) |
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| 19:49.58 | thewanderer1 | K1rk, well, the next-to-last resort is trying to boot Windows + some hardware identification tool (probably a proprietary one from the hardware vendor if there is one) and reverse-engineering that |
| 19:50.22 | K1rk | thewanderer1: What's weird about this problem is it only seems to manifest itself on laptops. Our desktops are all reporting the information in lshw, but the laptops seem to not report a vendor, a product, or a serial number for the memory. It is the same hard drive image we are using system-wide. |
| 19:51.00 | thewanderer1 | different hardware -> different firmware -> different behaviours |
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| 19:51.56 | thewanderer1 | K1rk, I can't see any serial number information on my desktop system either, for what it's worth |
| 19:52.09 | K1rk | Greaat. |
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| 19:55.19 | poisonbit | K1rk, running lshw as root, I get less info as plain user, as root i get serials |
| 19:55.27 | poisonbit | else... maybe try a bios upgrade if available ? |
| 19:55.50 | slamd64 | Hello. I have installed debian 6.0.3 with LXDE, because I have antique laptop. I have wrong resolution, and 800x600 is max, but I need 1024x768 because I have blank space around. This is what I got http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2821/17112011061.jpg |
| 19:56.00 | K1rk | poisonbit: I already know about that, and we have been running lshw as root all along, as we have also found that to be necessary to get the information we need. |
| 19:56.05 | slamd64 | Graphics is old Trident 9525. Please help |
| 19:56.22 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: zpool add tank log /dev/loop0 tells me cannot open '/dev/loop0': Device or resource busy , and i did that after dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/ram/foo bs=1M count=2048 && mount /mnt/ram/foo /mnt/log -o loop=/dev/loop0 :| |
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| 19:57.04 | poisonbit | try loop1 or umount loop0 |
| 19:57.10 | poisonbit | ? |
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| 19:57.43 | ompaul | slamd64: move the xorg.conf file in X11 to testmenow.xorg.conf and restart X |
| 19:58.17 | ompaul | slamd64: or if you like, I just told you to try X with no xorg.conf |
| 19:59.09 | rawtaz | seriously, cant someone please point me to how to make sure that the ramdisk_size=2048000 setting one can add to grub.cfg is really used |
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| 19:59.16 | rawtaz | that would probably be the most straight forward way |
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| 19:59.28 | rawtaz | poisonbit: no go. lemme psatbin. |
| 19:59.30 | rawtaz | pastebin* |
| 19:59.35 | valdyn | rawtaz: where are you adding it? |
| 19:59.43 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, you're not supposed to mount the loopfile, umount it and try the zpool thing again |
| 20:00.03 | valdyn | rawtaz: youre certainly not supposed to edit grub.cfg |
| 20:00.23 | slamd64 | @ompaul there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 20:01.13 | rawtaz | valdyn: i found at least a couple examples on the net that instructed this. adding it to the menu option in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 20:01.18 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: hmm. let me think then |
| 20:01.25 | ompaul | slamd64: su - |
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| 20:01.36 | ompaul | slamd64: dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf |
| 20:01.39 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, the same but skip the "mount" part... |
| 20:01.41 | ompaul | see how far that gets you |
| 20:02.00 | slamd64 | @ompaul thanks I will try that. |
| 20:02.14 | thewanderer1 | ugh, there's a package called xorg.conf now? O.o |
| 20:02.19 | ompaul | slamd64: the @ is not needed |
| 20:02.24 | ompaul | thewanderer1: wasn't there once? |
| 20:02.42 | thewanderer1 | I think I used to call `dpkg-reconfigure xserver` or so |
| 20:02.51 | ompaul | slamd64: ^^ check that |
| 20:02.56 | ompaul | one of them should do something for you |
| 20:03.10 | ompaul | bets on thewanderer1 |
| 20:03.19 | thewanderer1 | anyway I don't think it does anything anymore in Squeeze... what I use for making configs is `X -configure` |
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| 20:06.32 | rawtaz | thewanderer1: sorry. is this what you mean (where /mnt/ram/foo is the dd'd file with zeroes)? losetup /mnt/ram/foo |
| 20:07.10 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz, yeah, that should make a block (loop) device for you which you then use for your ZFS testing |
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| 20:07.42 | rawtaz | it doesnt. because it gives the same error as the first thing i tried: loop: can't get info on device /mnt/ram/foo: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 20:08.04 | rawtaz | valdyn: could you point me to where i could add ramdisk_size=2048000, if not in grub.cfg? |
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| 20:09.04 | simonlnu | /etc/default/grub .... |
| 20:09.21 | rawtaz | looking |
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| 20:11.13 | simonlnu | you need to `update-grub' when done |
| 20:11.21 | rawtaz | indeed |
| 20:11.28 | rawtaz | i just noticed there is an update-grub2 as well |
| 20:11.29 | rawtaz | funny. |
| 20:11.43 | rawtaz | ok lets see, rebooting |
| 20:12.06 | simonlnu | soon to be legacy and removed i think |
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| 20:14.22 | rawtaz | simonlnu: im sorry, it doesnt seem to have any effect. if i search dmesg, there's no occurence of ramdisk in there. `mknod -m 660 /dev/ram b 1 1 && dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram bs=1M count=500` says "dd: writing `/dev/ram': No space left on device" |
| 20:14.54 | rawtaz | what i added to /etc/defaults/grub was one line: ramdisk_size=2048000 |
| 20:15.19 | simonlnu | where did you add it? inside one of those variables? |
| 20:15.46 | rawtaz | no, at the end. |
| 20:16.04 | simonlnu | that won't work... |
| 20:16.11 | rawtaz | i believe you :) |
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| 20:16.41 | aykut_yaman | Hello everybody |
| 20:17.06 | simonlnu | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="in here" |
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| 20:18.19 | aykut_yaman | Can somebody help me? What I'm trying to do is : I would like to change arrow keys, when I press |
| 20:18.42 | aykut_yaman | Alt+\ right arrow |
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| 20:18.52 | aykut_yaman | Alt+' left arrow |
| 20:19.11 | aykut_yaman | can somebody help me, please? |
| 20:19.32 | aykut_yaman | sorry for my english |
| 20:19.41 | war9407 | man xmodmap |
| 20:19.56 | aykut_yaman | I have looked to xmodmap |
| 20:19.58 | simonlnu | you want those to be arrow keys? |
| 20:20.06 | aykut_yaman | yes |
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| 20:20.25 | simonlnu | setxkbmap or xmodmap |
| 20:20.28 | aykut_yaman | I don't want to move my hands for arrow keys |
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| 20:20.56 | aykut_yaman | I think with xmodmap it's not possibile |
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| 20:24.58 | rawtaz | simonlnu: thanks a lot. sounds reasonable what you said, and now that i did that and rebooted, i do see the ramdisk=2048000 in the dmesg, so it is there. however i still get `mknod -m 660 /dev/ram b 1 1 && dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram bs=1M count=500` saing "dd: writing `/dev/ram': No space left on device" |
| 20:25.46 | rawtaz | i have googled quite a bit and it seems ramdisk_size is the right setting to use, so im not sure why its not accepting 500 MB of data |
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| 20:27.03 | aykut_yaman | thank you |
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| 20:28.59 | rawtaz | this is really frustrating. in freebsd i just do one single command and i have a nice shiny ramdisk of any size i want. gah :( |
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| 20:29.42 | simonlnu | rawtaz: hm check out the /etc/default/tmpfs stuff |
| 20:29.50 | rawtaz | hmm |
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| 20:34.56 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone. i have run my updates and gnome upgraded to version 3. i have also issues with my nvidia drivers as they have been removed from wheezy; I have nVidia GeForce FX 5200. Is there a way to re-install it again and enable its 3D for Gnome3? |
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| 20:36.04 | arghx | _stefanos_: backport them from gnome |
| 20:36.08 | arghx | from sid, rather |
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| 20:36.25 | iridos | rawtaz, probably the same with linux, the only difference being, you don't know that single command? |
| 20:36.34 | _stefanos_ | it's annoying every time i have to run an update / upgrade to fear these consequences :/ |
| 20:36.41 | arghx | _stefanos_: they are still in wheezy |
| 20:36.44 | rawtaz | iridos: yeah, and that i have been looking for it for two hours |
| 20:36.45 | arghx | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 20:36.47 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1; wheezy/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1; experimental/non-free: 290.06-1 |
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| 20:37.04 | arghx | _stefanos_: then don't run testing but debian stable |
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| 20:37.16 | iridos | rawtaz, you just forgot you looked for it 5 hours 5 years ago for freebsd :P |
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| 20:37.25 | _stefanos_ | my drivers are not; they are legacy 173xx and they have been removed |
| 20:37.28 | rawtaz | iridos: and that four people have tried to help me (very well) but its simply not yet working, and its not rocket science to add configuration texts to config files :) |
| 20:37.45 | muszek | kinda weird question: for the basic webserver stuff (apache serving php pages, sending an occasional email), do I need bind9 (the dns server)? it was installed by default and it takes over 100MB of RAM out of my 512MB... |
| 20:37.58 | arghx | muszek: no |
| 20:37.58 | _stefanos_ | arghx: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx |
| 20:38.13 | arghx | _stefanos_: then learn how to cope with debian testing |
| 20:38.14 | rawtaz | iridos: from the info i have found ramdisk_size should do the job, but for some reason im not seeing that. OR i am failing to understand the error message i get, perhaps its due to something else than the ramdisk being too small |
| 20:38.18 | rawtaz | i dont know |
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| 20:38.41 | iridos | muszek, the point to wonder is, why it was "installed by default"... |
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| 20:38.43 | rawtaz | simonlnu: looked in there, not sure what to find htough. seems there's some settings for running /tmp in ram, and other things |
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| 20:38.50 | rawtaz | nothing that hits me :) |
| 20:39.38 | muszek | iridos: it's a VPS, installed from some image provided by the hosting company |
| 20:39.41 | _stefanos_ | also my sound got distorted a lot and cannot hear anything :/ it was the worst upgrade ever for me... |
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| 20:40.01 | iridos | I suspected that |
| 20:40.03 | arghx | rawtaz: tried this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-create-linux-ram-disk-filesystem/ ? |
| 20:40.08 | rawtaz | iridos: heh no, it was really easy in free ;) mdmfs -> done :) |
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| 20:40.31 | rawtaz | arghx: gonna have a look |
| 20:40.32 | rawtaz | ! |
| 20:40.34 | arghx | rawtaz:in freebsd you had your own kernel. in your vps you do not. and no ramdisk for you |
| 20:40.45 | rawtaz | arghx: this isnt a VPS |
| 20:40.54 | rawtaz | i have 10 GB ram allocated to it |
| 20:41.14 | rawtaz | lets C |
| 20:42.48 | rawtaz | and dont get me wrong, i love debian (or at least try to as much as it lets me :P), and run it on other servers already. im not the "this shit sucks it doesnt work" type of guy |
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| 20:43.12 | jelly-home | it's not THAT hard to put something like |
| 20:43.13 | jelly-home | tmpfs /run tmpfs nosuid,noexec,size=1%,mode=755 0 0 |
| 20:43.16 | jelly-home | in fstab |
| 20:43.45 | rawtaz | then i shall do that and try tmpfs a third time :) |
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| 20:44.37 | arghx | jelly-home: and what "size" is this new tmpfs then? |
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| 20:44.54 | jelly-home | 1% :-) |
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| 20:45.13 | rawtaz | i changed it to 30%, should be approx 3GB i presume :o |
| 20:45.23 | rawtaz | yes so now i have the tmpfs mounted at /mnt/ram |
| 20:45.42 | rawtaz | now i need to somehow make zpool use this tmpfs thingie as a log device (this is just for some silly testing) |
| 20:45.57 | jelly-home | arghx: what else can it mean other than... Mem: 3920756; tmpfs 39208 1468 37740 4% /run |
| 20:46.20 | rawtaz | `zpool add tank log /mnt/ram` => cannot use '/mnt/ram': must be a block device or regular file |
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| 20:46.43 | jelly-home | rawtaz: make a huge file on it, I guess |
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| 20:47.04 | arghx | jelly-home: tmpfs can be swapped out |
| 20:47.09 | rawtaz | we have previously tried to write a big zeroed file to that folder using dd and then create a loop device from it, but that too gave an error ("/mnt/ram/foo: Inappropriate ioctl for device") |
| 20:47.22 | jelly-home | arghx: and manuals can be read |
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| 20:48.02 | jelly-home | rawtaz: oh, that won't work then |
| 20:48.18 | rawtaz | i guess not :D |
| 20:48.21 | jelly-home | I was not aware of the purpose for said tmpfs |
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| 20:48.27 | rawtaz | sorry, my fault |
| 20:48.29 | iridos | actually... ramdisk size as a kernel parameter is a bit silly |
| 20:48.51 | rawtaz | yeah it is only for testing speed of a NFS published ZFS tank when there IS a ZIL on flash memory |
| 20:48.57 | jelly-home | iridos: it was not silly back in 2.0 - 2.2 or so |
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| 20:49.35 | arghx | No manual entry for tmpfs |
| 20:50.18 | jelly-home | arghx: mount |
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| 20:51.06 | rawtaz | it seems that the current ramdisk(s) (/dev/ram*) are 64 MB big |
| 20:51.13 | rawtaz | hmm actually |
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| 20:51.28 | rawtaz | i wonder if i could stripe a bunch of them as a ZIL :D |
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| 20:51.39 | iridos | jelly-home, oh, so the ramdisk is only for boot, ramdisks in running systems are done with tmpfs? |
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| 20:53.08 | jelly-home | iridos: different things, really. tmpfs is just a cheap interface to linux vfs without a backend |
| 20:53.50 | jelly-home | so your files are always in cache and never go to disk (there is no disk) |
| 20:55.05 | jelly-home | while rd, as far as I understand it, carves out a part of RAM and makes a proper block device |
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| 20:56.30 | iridos | yes, fairysnuff, but in all consequence it's the same |
| 20:56.40 | iridos | only the ramdisk permanently blocks the memory |
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| 20:57.03 | _stefanos_ | so, in place of nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx, what am i supposed to install to enable 3D acceleration for Gnome3? |
| 20:58.03 | iridos | except for his application, it seems... why can't you loop to a file on it? |
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| 20:58.24 | rawtaz | iridos: are you talking to me now? |
| 20:58.48 | iridos | to myself, mostly :) |
| 20:58.51 | iridos | possibly to jelly |
| 20:58.53 | rawtaz | :) |
| 20:59.10 | iridos | if you know why it didn't work looping back to your file on tmpfs, I won't grumble, though |
| 20:59.12 | jelly-home | iridos: it's obviously not the same |
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| 21:00.26 | rawtaz | cant say i do |
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| 21:01.14 | rawtaz | i think ill put this on ice now. it is plain silly that one cannot easily create a ram disk of a custom size without recompiling the kernel or whatever. it truly did annoy me. |
| 21:01.23 | rawtaz | but anyway, not worth spending any more precious time on! |
| 21:01.43 | rawtaz | im sure its possible, just not without fiddling around and understanding more intricates |
| 21:01.44 | iridos | hm |
| 21:02.14 | rawtaz | thank you everyone for your help! |
| 21:02.20 | jelly-home | .o/ |
| 21:02.21 | rawtaz | very helpful channel |
| 21:02.25 | iridos | rawtaz, what command gave you ("/mnt/ram/foo: Inappropriate ioctl for device") |
| 21:02.27 | jelly-home | hehe |
| 21:02.32 | rawtaz | iridos: lemme go back and see |
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| 21:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | rawtaz: Did you try this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-create-linux-ram-disk-filesystem/ |
| 21:02.51 | jelly-home | losetup on huge-file-on-tmpfs |
| 21:02.54 | jelly-home | likely |
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| 21:04.54 | iridos | jelly-home, dunno, seems all to work fine for me, including making the loop device |
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| 21:05.55 | iridos | mount -t tmpfs none /mnt/ram -osize=40%,mode=777; df -h /mnt/ram/; cat /dev/null >/mnt/ram/bla; losetup -f /mnt/ram/bla |
| 21:06.01 | iridos | none 4.8G 0 4.8G 0% /mnt/ram |
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| 21:07.48 | iridos | less -f /dev/loop0 shows an empty file, losetup /dev/loop0 gives /dev/loop0: [0015]:1799792 (/mnt/ram/bla) |
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| 21:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Was his issue just that he was trying to create a really big rd? |
| 21:09.28 | jelly-home | nope |
| 21:10.07 | jhutchins_lt | I haven't done it in ages, and possibly not since DOS, but it shouldn't be an arcane art. |
| 21:10.08 | jelly-home | there was an underlying purpose to the block devices, playing with zfs |
| 21:10.44 | jelly-home | guessing from <rawtaz> `zpool add tank log /mnt/ram` => cannot use '/mnt/ram': must be a block device or regular file |
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| 21:13.04 | rawtaz | imma get back to you in just a minute |
| 21:13.32 | rawtaz | just gotta get my pool back up as i managed to reboot without first having removed a test device from it :P |
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| 21:18.44 | rawtaz | it seems the problem was that i failed to supply the -f switch to `losetup`, and iridos' example command he pasted a few lines up alerted me to it. i've summarized it at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/KTPLHxE6esbeGX3ztwQB/ |
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| 21:21.44 | iridos | err |
| 21:21.54 | iridos | why did you do --show -f |
| 21:22.20 | iridos | but anyway, seems to have worked |
| 21:22.28 | rawtaz | just to see that the loop was created, and foremost so that i knew what name it had :) |
| 21:22.48 | iridos | but -f searches for a new, unused one |
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| 21:23.07 | diegows | does anyone know an a tool to manage cluster of server? Like Puppet or Cfengine for more simple. Something to distribute files and to execute commands |
| 21:23.09 | iridos | not even sure --show -f makes sense... except possibly, that you created a 2nd one on loop1 and it then showed that |
| 21:23.22 | rawtaz | hmm |
| 21:23.38 | iridos | try losetup --show /dev/loop0 |
| 21:23.47 | rawtaz | i might have misunderstood that comand |
| 21:24.16 | rawtaz | yeah, you're right. i have two of them now :D |
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| 21:24.25 | rawtaz | root@nas:~# losetup --show /dev/loop0 |
| 21:24.26 | rawtaz | /dev/loop0: [0012]:5323 (/mnt/ram/foo) |
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| 21:25.51 | rawtaz | iridos: thanks a lot for making me understand this better |
| 21:26.12 | iridos | ha |
| 21:26.22 | iridos | so see, you had no working loopbacks, now you got lots |
| 21:26.23 | iridos | \o/ |
| 21:26.29 | rawtaz | hah :D |
| 21:26.34 | rawtaz | it cant get any better :) |
| 21:26.40 | rawtaz | two for one |
| 21:27.38 | tensorpudding | so i connected to the internet with the networking script |
| 21:27.43 | tensorpudding | then logged into gnome |
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| 21:27.52 | rawtaz | hm, any idea how to see if there's any activity on them? like how much data is written to them |
| 21:27.55 | rawtaz | the loops |
| 21:27.59 | tensorpudding | network manager thinks that i'm offline, so i can't connect to empathy |
| 21:28.17 | rawtaz | tensorpudding: you have us though, you dont need more empathy than that |
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| 21:28.27 | tensorpudding | har har |
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| 21:28.39 | rawtaz | ok sorry :P |
| 21:28.41 | tensorpudding | why does network manager not recognize my connection? |
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| 21:30.09 | tensorpudding | also half the packages i install end up not showing up in the menu, which really steams me |
| 21:31.01 | tensorpudding | i can suppose google-chrome might have moved beyond supporting gnome 2.x |
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| 21:31.42 | tensorpudding | debian's not as good of a desktop as i remember |
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| 21:33.40 | stew | tensorpudding: if there are things not showing up in the menus that you think should be, file bugs |
| 21:34.41 | tensorpudding | i figured it out |
| 21:34.46 | tensorpudding | you have to log out first |
| 21:34.48 | tensorpudding | for some reason |
| 21:35.02 | tensorpudding | google-chrome is still missing, and debian still won't let it be the default browser, though |
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| 21:35.11 | peterrooney | is still waiting to gleefully attend network-manager's funeral |
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| 21:35.42 | stew | tensorpudding: debian won't let it? how are you trying to set the default browser? |
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| 21:36.04 | tensorpudding | preferred apps |
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| 21:36.21 | stew | in gnome? |
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| 21:36.59 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 21:37.23 | tensorpudding | do you have any advice on how to get networkmanager to recognize that i'm online? |
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| 21:37.56 | stew | tensorpudding: and what action causes a different browser to open? |
| 21:37.57 | stew | [B |
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| 21:38.56 | stew | tensorpudding: why do you need it to do that? |
| 21:39.03 | tensorpudding | like i said |
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| 21:39.19 | tensorpudding | empathy won't connect if networkmanager thinks that i'm not connected, as far as i can tell |
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| 21:39.31 | stew | I don't know what empathy is |
| 21:39.40 | tensorpudding | gnome's IM client? |
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| 21:39.54 | stew | tensorpudding: and what action causes a different browser to open? |
| 21:40.03 | GTRsdk | can I set up a computer to auto log in? |
| 21:40.13 | tensorpudding | nothing |
| 21:40.26 | stew | tensorpudding: a browser just spontaneously starts? |
| 21:40.27 | tensorpudding | it's just that chrome keeps saying that it's not the default every time it starts up |
| 21:40.34 | GTRsdk | is it possible? |
| 21:40.49 | stew | tensorpudding: how did you install "chrome"? |
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| 21:41.42 | tensorpudding | installed the 64-bit debian package from google's site |
| 21:41.43 | abrotman | spies stew ... |
| 21:42.04 | stew | tensorpudding: why wouldn't you use the chrmoium package in debian? |
| 21:42.18 | stew | tensorpudding: i suppose you should file a bug with google then, if you aren't using the debian package |
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| 21:43.32 | tensorpudding | i don't know what features chromium lacks nowadays |
| 21:43.46 | tensorpudding | the lack of h.264 support was why i used chrome |
| 21:44.02 | tensorpudding | there's also the fact that chromium's icon isn't that good looking |
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| 21:44.37 | GTRsdk | tensorpudding: you may be able to run google-chrome in terminal |
| 21:44.57 | tensorpudding | 'swhat i'm doing |
| 21:45.04 | tensorpudding | but it's annoying |
| 21:45.12 | tensorpudding | google-chrome &, then disown %1 |
| 21:45.28 | stew | wait, if that is annoying then why would you do it? |
| 21:45.45 | tensorpudding | actually i could alt+f2 |
| 21:45.47 | tensorpudding | meh |
| 21:45.52 | tensorpudding | i always forget about that thing |
| 21:46.06 | GTRsdk | tensorpudding: and you did install the deb, correct? |
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| 21:46.20 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 21:46.37 | porton | How to make the Power key of the keyboard NOT to turn off the computer? (Gnome) |
| 21:46.37 | GTRsdk | tensorpudding: in gdebi, does it say that it is installed? |
| 21:46.59 | tensorpudding | if it didn't install, how would i be using google-chrome now? |
| 21:47.35 | boudiccas | tensorpudding; smurf-power |
| 21:47.36 | GTRsdk | tensorpudding: oh. I just read your problem |
| 21:47.45 | GTRsdk | tensorpudding: Did you set it as default? |
| 21:47.55 | tensorpudding | in google-chrome, in preferred apps |
| 21:48.28 | GTRsdk | tensorpudding: if you go to about:settings , that would allow you to set it as all defaults |
| 21:48.32 | tensorpudding | it's not even that big of a deal |
| 21:48.41 | tensorpudding | more annoyed with empathy |
| 21:48.42 | stew | tensorpudding: "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" is another way of setting a "default browser", but I have no idea where chrome is getting its notion about what the default is |
| 21:49.15 | tensorpudding | x-www-browser is set properly |
| 21:50.05 | stew | sounds like a bug in chrome then |
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| 21:53.16 | tensorpudding | how do i stop network manager from running? |
| 21:53.32 | tensorpudding | oh, nvm |
| 21:53.33 | tensorpudding | found it |
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| 21:55.10 | stew | aptitude remove network-manager |
| 21:55.43 | tensorpudding | a bit drastic |
| 21:55.51 | tensorpudding | doesn't that remove the gnome package? |
| 21:56.01 | stew | yes, you don't need the gnome package |
| 21:56.08 | stew | it doesn't provide any functionality |
| 21:56.11 | tensorpudding | if i remove the gnome package then it'll mark a ton of packages for autoremove |
| 21:56.12 | stew | tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
| 21:56.28 | stew | see above to mark them to not be auto-removed |
| 21:56.57 | tensorpudding | it doesn't matter, it's easier to just mark it to not start |
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| 21:59.16 | mjt | anyone know how networkmanager detects if there's network connection or not? |
| 21:59.33 | muszek | newbie question: how do I set whether a service is run at boot time? For example I want to make Apache _not_ run when the system starts |
| 21:59.51 | mjt | muszek: deinstall apache |
| 22:00.18 | muszek | mjt: I want it installed, just not running after boot |
| 22:00.18 | stew | muszek: update-rc.d |
| 22:00.29 | iridos | actually one good reason not to use chromium in squeeze is, that you can't install any extensions (easily), because googles stupid site says it's too old and refuses to give it to you |
| 22:00.32 | stew | muszek: look at options for disabling in there |
| 22:00.33 | muszek | stew: thanks, I'll read about it |
| 22:01.05 | mjt | stew, muszek: note it may be restored on next upgrade |
| 22:01.08 | iridos | (just as you asked) |
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| 22:01.19 | stew | mjt: not if you follow the instructions in the manpage |
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| 22:03.15 | peterrooney | wonders when rendering web pages became a moving target. |
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| 22:03.45 | stew | this almost kept chromium out of stable completely |
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| 22:05.00 | itsnotabigtruck | peterrooney: when everyone realized they didn't want to keep the web stuck in 2002 |
| 22:05.18 | mjt | stew: it (disabling with update-rc.d) works with most packages but not with all of them. Some pkgs forcibly reinstall startup symlinks. See initscripts.postrm for many examples. |
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| 22:06.59 | stew | mjt: what command are you using to disable them? |
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| 22:07.34 | mjt | there's no clean way |
| 22:07.51 | stew | mjt: setting the S links to K links should work |
| 22:07.54 | stew | mjt: or else file a bug |
| 22:08.06 | stew | mjt: are you using "remove"? |
| 22:08.16 | mjt | only renaming init.d/foo to init.d/foo.dpkg-new works so far, but it makes insserv unhappy. |
| 22:08.28 | stew | mjt: what is an example of something that doesn't work? |
| 22:08.49 | mjt | the update-rc.d disable actually works for most stuff |
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| 22:09.26 | mjt | and yes, once it is documented it's a good idea to file bugs against packages which reinstalls init.d symlinks |
| 22:10.07 | mjt | the only problem is that there's no sane way to actually move symlinks as done in initscripts.postrm |
| 22:10.21 | mjt | but ok |
| 22:10.41 | stew | mjt: what do you mean by "move symlinks"? |
| 22:10.48 | stew | mjt: what is an example of somehting that doesn't work? |
| 22:11.27 | mjt | i don't understand what you're asking. there are tons of non-working software |
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| 22:12.10 | stew | mjt: if you are saying "it may be restored on next upgrade", then either you are doing something wrong, or a bug should be filed |
| 22:13.34 | mjt | stew: if you want to disable - for example - sendsigs initscripts, and your current initscripts version is less than 2.86.ds1-35, it will be restored on next upgrade of initscripts. |
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| 22:14.01 | mjt | but that'a academic - you asked a question, here's an example answer. |
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| 22:14.18 | mjt | academic - as in, there's no reason to disable that initscript |
| 22:14.28 | stew | that's fine, what's the answer? |
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| 22:14.48 | mjt | i gave you answer to your question |
| 22:15.06 | stew | i must have missed it |
| 22:15.21 | mjt | i gave you example of thing that "doesn't work" |
| 22:15.27 | stew | ok, what command doesn't work? |
| 22:15.38 | mjt | are you trolling? |
| 22:15.44 | stew | 17:06 < stew> mjt: what command are you using to disable them? |
| 22:15.55 | mjt | update-rc.d disable |
| 22:15.59 | mjt | i don't run it |
| 22:16.06 | mjt | s/run/use/ |
| 22:16.09 | stew | what? |
| 22:16.12 | mjt | sigh |
| 22:16.19 | mjt | .igno stew |
| 22:16.20 | mjt | er |
| 22:16.22 | stew | ok, so this command you don't run doesn't work when you do run it or when you don't run it? |
| 22:16.43 | mjt | it's enough nonsense. |
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| 22:18.21 | stew | judd: versions sendsigs |
| 22:18.21 | judd | No package named 'sendsigs' was found in i386. |
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| 22:32.39 | ampharos | Since I upgraded X, my screen will occasionally black out with blue lines at the bottom, and the system requires SysRq or SSH to fix. |
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| 22:32.55 | ampharos | Before I upgraded, it would randomly just hang the GPU, but this is different |
| 22:33.33 | blackshirt | amphos: what your vga card |
| 22:33.54 | ampharos | Intel 845G |
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| 22:35.02 | ampharos | it's virtually impossible to fix, kernel and xorg changing didn't help |
| 22:35.50 | ampharos | i'd rather not go back to XP |
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| 22:36.04 | ampharos | debian runs fine as long as it doesn't crash the GPU |
| 22:36.17 | ampharos | upgrading is not an option, there is no AGP or PCIe |
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| 22:37.08 | Dulak | are you running stable? |
| 22:37.12 | filePeter | ampharos: From and to what have you upgraded Debian to? |
| 22:37.14 | blackshirt | ampharos: i have used this one series intel 845ge |
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| 22:37.43 | mjt | i've a machine with that chipset @office, works fine. |
| 22:38.00 | ampharos | I'm using squeeze with backports |
| 22:38.09 | ampharos | I heard this chipset doesn't play nice with KMS |
| 22:38.35 | filePeter | ampharos: When have you last upgraded squeeze? I don’t seem to know any changes to X lately… |
| 22:39.26 | ampharos | I'm using backports |
| 22:39.48 | ampharos | I upgraded X only because I've been having nasty GPU hangs that require rebooting to fix |
| 22:39.59 | filePeter | ampharos: Ah… Sorry. Can help you with that, sorry. |
| 22:40.03 | ampharos | before I was on vanilla X |
| 22:40.09 | filePeter | s/can/can’t/g |
| 22:40.12 | ampharos | with vanilla squeeze, the GPU randomly hung |
| 22:40.37 | ampharos | now here, I have no idea when it's doing this funky stuff, but it appears only when it's iddle |
| 22:40.46 | ampharos | and you can't wake it up |
| 22:40.58 | Dulak | I had that issue on a box a couple months ago and it turned out to be a bad stick of ram, you might consider running memtest86 on that machine. |
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| 22:42.11 | ampharos | I might try that... |
| 22:42.17 | ampharos | it's got 256 MB RAM... |
| 22:42.30 | ampharos | which was normal for a consumer P4 box in 2004 |
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| 22:48.49 | Dulak | ampharos: anything in the logs when it happens? |
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| 22:49.48 | ampharos | I'll check... |
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| 22:50.08 | ampharos | Before I did the upgrade, I noticed GEM and EIR errors |
| 22:50.14 | ampharos | with vanilla Xorg |
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| 22:50.22 | ampharos | as I could see VTs |
| 22:50.28 | ampharos | now I can't even use VTs when it locks up |
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| 22:53.15 | Dulak | well without KMS the 845 is working great for me since I swapped ram |
| 22:53.31 | ampharos | I use it with KMS, so it's schizophrenic |
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| 23:19.58 | Tekk_ | what package contains jni.h in wheezy? I have the jdk, source, and lib |
| 23:20.03 | Tekk_ | openjdk in all cases |
| 23:20.10 | Tekk_ | along with the jre, obviously. |
| 23:20.35 | Tekk_ | oh wait |
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| 23:34.53 | rawtaz | i am looking to use debian for a couple of servers where i want them to integrate with a windows 2008 r2 server AD, so that access control for files on the servers adhere to the AD user accounts and permissions (the files they access via CIFS). can someone recommend any pointers to tutorials/other resources for these things? |
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| 23:35.12 | rawtaz | in summary integrating linux/debian with windows2008r2 regarding AD and file ACL |
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| 23:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rawtaz about samba |
| 23:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | rawtaz: Be aware that learning samba means (re-)learning the entire Windows networking suite. |
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| 23:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | rawtaz: On the other hand, if you don't know it yet, learning samba will make you a really great Windows admin. |
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| 23:39.33 | supayoshi | Hi guys i just typed apt-get -u upgrade, :P and installed updates... but then suddenly grub loader came up :) |
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| 23:39.46 | supayoshi | asking me if i wanted to install grub menu :p... i said i didnt want it |
| 23:39.50 | supayoshi | but im afraid to restart now :P |
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| 23:42.05 | supayoshi | http://pastebin.com/UNEqLsty |
| 23:42.07 | Disconnected | . |
| 23:42.10 | supayoshi | this is what happened :) |
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| 23:43.47 | Lewoco | So does Debian prevent running apps from a mounted CD or something? |
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| 23:44.14 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: It can. What do you want to do? |
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| 23:44.23 | arghx | check how it's mounted: "mount" |
| 23:44.40 | Lewoco | I was trying to install virtualbox additions and failed. After I copied CD to /tmp it worked. |
| 23:44.59 | Lewoco | /dev/sr0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=mpguest) |
| 23:45.06 | rawtaz | jhutchins_lt: i know about samba, have used it before |
| 23:45.08 | Lewoco | noexec eh? |
| 23:45.09 | arghx | you cannot write to your cdrom |
| 23:45.16 | arghx | and yes, that too |
| 23:45.31 | rawtaz | jhutchins_lt: but i have never set up linux so that it uses AD and provides single sign on as well |
| 23:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: That would explain it. |
| 23:45.49 | rawtaz | i will look at the resources you suggested though, thanks! |
| 23:45.51 | Lewoco | I suppose so noone can pop in a CD with setuid bash or something. |
| 23:46.00 | supayoshi | anyone help me? |
| 23:46.12 | jhutchins_lt | rawtaz: So you're going to be getting a bit deeper into configuring and administering it. |
| 23:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: Right, but you are free to change that. |
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| 23:46.59 | rawtaz | jhutchins_lt: are you essentiall saying that integrating linux with an AD is done by samba? |
| 23:47.06 | rawtaz | the integration* |
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| 23:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: You're dealing with Windows, so there are lots of subtle, tricky little "gotchas" if you don't get it just right. |
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| 23:47.36 | rawtaz | i thought it would be a bunch of pam modules and what not, not part of samba |
| 23:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | rawtaz: I suppose you could build nis to use it, but I think samba offers a decent plan. |
| 23:47.46 | Lewoco | Seems kinda pointless. If someone has physical access to the computer such as the CD-ROM they can already do whatever they want. |
| 23:47.54 | rawtaz | jhutchins_lt: ok. will look |
| 23:48.01 | Lewoco | If they have some way of popping a CD in let them do whatever |
| 23:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: Sorta like turning off autorun in windows. |
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| 23:48.31 | Lewoco | not really |
| 23:48.45 | Lewoco | autorun runs an app automatically |
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| 23:49.31 | Lewoco | but you can still run apps off a cd even if it's disabled |
| 23:50.07 | jhutchins_lt | Linux goes one better, you have to enable execution before you can run anything. |
| 23:50.24 | Lewoco | How is that better? |
| 23:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: That's not really a Debian thing, I think it's pretty standard across distributions. |
| 23:50.50 | Lewoco | Correct me if I'm wrong, but it isn't any more secure and it's just annoying. |
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| 23:53.13 | stew | Lewoco: i'd certainly find it way more annoying if programs were being started without my asking them to start |
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| 23:53.53 | bronaugh | hey; is there something wrong with the debian package distrib system? all my sid mirrors seem to be out of date by multiple days. |
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| 23:54.36 | civillian | bronaugh: would you say they're unstable? |
| 23:54.46 | blackshirt | bronough: i think APT was good package management system |
| 23:54.53 | bronaugh | civillian: har har :P |
| 23:54.53 | stew | bronaugh: what is an example mirror? |
| 23:55.04 | civillian | bronaugh: :) |
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| 23:55.12 | bronaugh | stew: ftp3.nrc.ca, mirror.yorku.ca, mirrors.kernel.org, csclub.uwaterloo, etc. |
| 23:55.16 | Lewoco | stew, I didn't mean more annoying than autorun. I mean more annoying than not autorunning but still allowing me to run manually. |
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| 23:55.56 | bronaugh | stew: http.us.debian.org works, but not much else. |
| 23:56.53 | stew | Lewoco: you're annoyed by the fact that you can run stuff from a cd? |
| 23:57.12 | Lewoco | Where did you get that idea? |
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| 23:57.21 | stew | Lewoco: from your last statement |
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| 23:57.42 | stew | not autorunning, but allowing one to run if they want seems pretty reasonable |
| 23:57.54 | stew | bronaugh: mirrors.k.o actually looks months out of date |
| 23:58.16 | Lewoco | exactly, but it's not how debian behaves anymore |
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| 23:59.31 | Mr_Brown | I want change my dovecot to cyrus o courier but I not sure, my user are 15.000 I need suport to Maildir,LDAP and Quota, what do you think |
| 23:59.48 | stew | bronaugh: #debian-mirrors on irc.debian.org is probably a better place to ask |
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